| 00:00.00 | karmatronic | billybong: if you dont want file browsing , you need to ask the directives Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch AllowOverride None |
| 00:00.14 | DawnLight | damn lag |
| 00:00.24 | billybong | karmatronic, what file is that in ? |
| 00:00.38 | fasta | phogg: I mean when it starts. |
| 00:00.39 | billybong | and what file is that directoryindex in ? |
| 00:00.46 | billybong | httpd.conf is an empty file |
| 00:00.52 | billybong | or do i just paste that stuff in that empty file ? |
| 00:01.04 | karmatronic | in the directory sites-enabled |
| 00:01.07 | wols | billybong: no. abrotman told you where to look |
| 00:01.11 | wols | karmatronic: no |
| 00:01.12 | abrotman | i told you darn it! |
| 00:01.20 | abrotman | karmatronic: that's a symlink |
| 00:01.25 | billybong | in sites-available there is only a "default" file |
| 00:01.30 | abrotman | that's it |
| 00:01.32 | wols | karmatronic: stop talking about stuff you don't have a clue, k? |
| 00:01.37 | billybong | i did "cat default | grep directoryindex" and there is nothing |
| 00:01.41 | phogg | fasta: No warnings I can see. |
| 00:01.48 | wols | billybong: linux is case sensitive |
| 00:01.52 | karmatronic | billybong: grep -i |
| 00:01.53 | wols | everywhere |
| 00:02.04 | karmatronic | wols: well i think i have a clue about that .... |
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| 00:02.20 | wols | karmatronic: you don't have a clue about debian apache config as proven several times now |
| 00:02.21 | fasta | phogg: http://paste.debian.net/40187 |
| 00:02.29 | fasta | phogg: there are the warnings |
| 00:02.32 | karmatronic | wols: dont agree with you.... |
| 00:03.07 | karmatronic | wols: how do you prevent file browsing in apache2 ? |
| 00:03.08 | wols | my bedfleas rarely agree with me either, doesn't mean they are right |
| 00:03.12 | DawnLight | i have here an inter board with what seems to be a buggy acpi |
| 00:03.24 | billybong | i just checked for DirectoryIndex in that file nothing about it in there |
| 00:03.30 | phogg | fasta: those are not warning |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | DawnLight: get in line |
| 00:03.53 | phogg | fasta: at least not mostly |
| 00:03.53 | fasta | phogg: well, useless notices then? |
| 00:03.56 | karmatronic | wols: my answer is , adding directives Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch and AllowOverride None in the Directory / |
| 00:04.03 | phogg | fasta: mostly useless notices |
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| 00:04.29 | billybong | wols, there is nothing in that "default" file about DirectoryIndex |
| 00:04.34 | phogg | fasta: I *prefer* my apps to give me this kind of information. I can ignore it, but if something goes wrong there it is. |
| 00:04.39 | karmatronic | wols: how do you restart apache... my answer is /etc/init.d/apache restart (obviously apache2 if you re running apache2 ) |
| 00:04.42 | fasta | phogg: scp isn't as chatty and only points out interesting information. |
| 00:04.54 | abrotman | the default file has the redirect .. the apache2.conf has the DirectoryIndex |
| 00:05.04 | fasta | phogg: Gnome/KDE are useless to copy large amounts of files over. |
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| 00:05.14 | fasta | phogg: they just stop in the middle |
| 00:05.20 | phogg | fasta: I can't say it's definitely a good thing for it to do but it does not register to me as a flaw in the app. If you don't like it argue with the devs. |
| 00:05.21 | stew | i've not yet found a reason to modify apache2.conf |
| 00:05.23 | abrotman | uhm .. i thought |
| 00:05.44 | fasta | phogg: well, maybe I have a different idea what's good than the devs. |
| 00:05.47 | phogg | fasta: with that I cannot help you since I never use a GUI to copy things |
| 00:05.58 | stew | probably becuase i alwasy define things in virtual hosts, however |
| 00:06.05 | phogg | fasta: so it would seem |
| 00:06.10 | fasta | phogg: then what do you use? (that was my initial question since I hate k3b) |
| 00:06.10 | abrotman | oh .. the DirectoryIndex is in mods-available/dir.conf |
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| 00:06.16 | billybong | abrotman, there is nothing to do with DirectoryIndex in the apache2.conf |
| 00:06.22 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 00:06.25 | phogg | fasta: k3b is not for copying |
| 00:06.32 | billybong | k |
| 00:06.36 | billybong | oh okay |
| 00:06.39 | billybong | checking that |
| 00:06.43 | fasta | phogg: I know perfectly well what k3b is for. |
| 00:06.49 | phogg | fasta: for creating ISOs I use the command line or I use k3b to generate the image and cdrecord to burn |
| 00:07.11 | karmatronic | billybong: try grep -ri directoryindex * in /etc/apache2 |
| 00:07.19 | fasta | phogg: so you made some script that selects the right burning device, I guess? |
| 00:07.19 | billybong | ya i got it |
| 00:07.35 | billybong | okay do i need to restart apache now ? |
| 00:07.56 | karmatronic | billybong: yes |
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| 00:08.06 | fasta | phogg: another problem: it just halts at 50% during verification. |
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| 00:08.27 | phogg | fasta: what's to select? It's always the same on my workstation |
| 00:08.51 | phogg | fasta: /dev/dvd is a symlink to /dev/hdd which is my burner. cdrecord dev=/dev/dvd |
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| 00:09.02 | karmatronic | fasta: i use brasero |
| 00:09.37 | billybong | okay i added index.php to that directory index line |
| 00:09.40 | billybong | and restarted apache |
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| 00:09.51 | billybong | its still redirecting to that apache2-default/ |
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| 00:10.18 | billybong | actually i just checked it again |
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| 00:10.26 | billybong | index.php was already in that dir.conf |
| 00:10.32 | fasta | karmatronic: oh, that looks quite good. Does it actual work? |
| 00:10.38 | fasta | karmatronic: actually* |
| 00:10.51 | karmatronic | fasta: yeah, like a charm :) |
| 00:11.05 | fasta | karmatronic: great, I will install it and will ditch k3b when it does :) |
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| 00:11.29 | karmatronic | fasta: i still dont understand why people make such a deal of k3b |
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| 00:11.39 | billybong | wols, index.php was already in that dir.conf file for directory index |
| 00:11.46 | billybong | but its still redirecting me to that apache2-default |
| 00:11.50 | valdyn | billybong: /etc/apache2/site-available/default just points to that apache2-default, make your own site, remove the default one |
| 00:11.50 | phogg | brasaro. Ugh. No options! |
| 00:11.53 | fasta | karmatronic: Stockholm syndrom |
| 00:12.32 | karmatronic | billybong: i will try to give help in spite of my relative lack of apache knowledge ...:) |
| 00:12.57 | billybong | okay |
| 00:12.59 | billybong | working now |
| 00:13.00 | karmatronic | billybong: you should check /etc/apache2/sites-available , there you have a default file , right ? |
| 00:13.01 | billybong | thanks guys :) |
| 00:13.04 | fasta | People using the CLI are more efficient, because those tools actually _work_. |
| 00:13.05 | phogg | karmatronic: it's relatively easy to use, compared to old standbys like xcdroast and it allows almost as much control as the command line |
| 00:13.38 | fasta | The startup message for arson is hilarious. |
| 00:14.04 | fasta | I don't see why Debian even distributes it. |
| 00:14.06 | karmatronic | phogg: yeah , if you use kde desktop.if you re with an other desktop or just a windows manager , you should try to find another alternative |
| 00:14.11 | fasta | It's just a waste of bandwidth. |
| 00:14.14 | phogg | fasta: yeah. Like I said, I tend to use k3b for generating ISOs and burn them from the command line. GUI apps are flaky |
| 00:14.33 | fasta | phogg: yes, I did listen to you. |
| 00:14.34 | stew | why not mkisofs to generate isos then? |
| 00:14.51 | phogg | karmatronic: I disagree. I'm an E user and have been for years... kde apps are not as bloated outside of KDE as is often said. |
| 00:15.09 | billybong | thankyou guys very much for all the help |
| 00:15.11 | billybong | i appreciate it :) |
| 00:15.18 | phogg | stew: sometimes I can't be bothered with mkisofs. |
| 00:15.25 | fasta | I think I should just program something for my own needs based on cdrecord and mkisofs |
| 00:15.30 | nameless | any ideas where the path of gnome icon ? ( the icon on the menu ) |
| 00:15.37 | nameless | *where to find |
| 00:15.41 | karmatronic | phogg: i guess it s just my problem then... i cant stand to have kde apps on my gnome or fluxbox desktops :) |
| 00:16.19 | fasta | I don't care what it looks like if it works. |
| 00:16.27 | abrotman | nameless: maybe /usr/share/icons/gnome/ |
| 00:16.29 | karmatronic | phogg: although designing qt apps with designer is more fun that gtk with glade |
| 00:16.29 | fasta | Different users, different opinions. |
| 00:16.34 | nameless | thx |
| 00:16.48 | phogg | karmatronic: gnome apps have actually been getting to be worse in this area. Loading, as they sometimes do, session, dbus and other daemons |
| 00:17.33 | valdyn | this is so pointless when gnomes browser ( whichever firefox based thing you might use ) easily takes more resources than whole kde |
| 00:17.34 | phogg | karmatronic: I don't do gui/widget coding much so I cannot comment. I hear good things about QT. |
| 00:17.57 | karmatronic | nameless: /usr&share/pixmaps |
| 00:18.00 | billybong | anybody know of a good tutorial on setting up a mailserver ? |
| 00:18.17 | abrotman | hire an admin :) |
| 00:18.26 | fasta | billybong: you read the manual. It's the only way. |
| 00:18.27 | phogg | heh. I was going to say, pay me to do it |
| 00:18.32 | karmatronic | billybong: well aptitude install postfix should be enough :) |
| 00:18.37 | ma3x | can you name a few brands of TV cards that work on debian? |
| 00:18.48 | billybong | karmatronic, thats for sending and recieveing ? |
| 00:18.49 | karmatronic | ma3x: avermedia TV98 |
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| 00:19.20 | karmatronic | billybong: yeah , but youll need a pop or imap server to retrieve the mails |
| 00:19.27 | ma3x | karmatronic, those are us probably. i need some that are available in europe |
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| 00:19.33 | Max_- | stew: I installed fglrx (or something very alike) as suggested here, and It's still using VESA as I can see in the X log file |
| 00:19.38 | karmatronic | ma3x: i m french |
| 00:19.45 | billybong | karmatronic, every used axigen ? |
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| 00:19.46 | karmatronic | ma3x: and leave in spain |
| 00:19.54 | stew | Max_-: sorry, if you intend to use fglrx, i'm not going to be of much help |
| 00:20.13 | fasta | karmatronic: brasero is not polished, though |
| 00:20.18 | karmatronic | ma3x: the saa7134 card works fine too |
| 00:20.28 | karmatronic | ma3x: but the avermedia has remote control |
| 00:20.29 | Max_- | stew: oh, okay, thanks |
| 00:20.34 | fasta | karmatronic: the starting screen starts with scrollbars while it doesn't need any. |
| 00:20.43 | billybong | karmatronic, whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get ? |
| 00:20.58 | phogg | billybong: aptitude is the future |
| 00:21.09 | karmatronic | billybong: well they say aptitude is the recommended one since it deals the dependencies better |
| 00:21.25 | karmatronic | billybong: but actually, using apt-get is a reflex |
| 00:21.32 | ma3x | karmatronic, tell me a brand name that i can get in frnace |
| 00:21.52 | ma3x | karmatronic, of the sites pixmania, or surcouf, which cards work with debian? |
| 00:21.54 | karmatronic | ma3x: yeah , let me check , dont remember them |
| 00:21.56 | valdyn | ma3x: what's a tv card? |
| 00:21.56 | valdyn | ma3x: i mean, i have 3, doing 2 totally different things. So what kind of tv card |
| 00:21.56 | valdyn | ma3x: beside that brand probably means nothing, who knows, i dont |
| 00:22.14 | phogg | it's all about chipset, not vendor |
| 00:22.16 | ma3x | valdyn, to watch tv from my decoder |
| 00:22.23 | ma3x | with a scart input |
| 00:22.24 | valdyn | ma3x: ... |
| 00:22.27 | karmatronic | ma3x: ket s see |
| 00:22.28 | ma3x | (connector) |
| 00:22.33 | valdyn | ma3x: is there no dvb-t in france? |
| 00:22.34 | ma3x | i have scart |
| 00:22.40 | ma3x | valdyn, what's that? |
| 00:22.44 | karmatronic | valdyn: yeah there is |
| 00:22.53 | ma3x | whats that |
| 00:22.57 | ma3x | scart connector you mean |
| 00:22.57 | valdyn | karmatronic: so maybe he really wants a dvb-t card, who knows |
| 00:23.12 | karmatronic | valdyn: yeah i was about to tell him |
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| 00:23.13 | fasta | karmatronic: how do you browse the file system in brasero? |
| 00:23.20 | downhillgames | what's up #debian? |
| 00:23.23 | ma3x | tell me what |
| 00:23.24 | fasta | karmatronic: here it just wants to select every file recursively |
| 00:23.35 | valdyn | ma3x: old tv is broadcasted analogue data |
| 00:23.44 | valdyn | ma3x: dvb-t is broadcasted digitial data |
| 00:23.56 | fasta | karmatronic: never mind, now I see |
| 00:23.59 | valdyn | ma3x: dvb-s is satelite digitial data |
| 00:24.05 | downhillgames | anything new and exciting in the debian realm? |
| 00:24.10 | fasta | karmatronic: it wasn't full screen so it wasn't visible. Another UI bug. |
| 00:24.10 | valdyn | ma3x: there's probablty one more for cable, i dont know |
| 00:24.13 | ma3x | valdyn, i need a connector / transformer to input from tv to my laptop |
| 00:24.15 | ma3x | do you understand? |
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| 00:24.22 | ma3x | that's why i ask for tv card |
| 00:24.23 | karmatronic | fasta: eheh i ususally select files individually |
| 00:24.26 | ma3x | or is that called a tv tuner rather? |
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| 00:24.39 | monokrome | hey |
| 00:24.40 | fasta | karmatronic: right, in the file selector that wasn't visible. |
| 00:24.40 | karmatronic | ma3x: tv card |
| 00:24.46 | billybong | karmatronic, when doing that postfix install its asking me to uninstall exim4 |
| 00:24.52 | billybong | is that a good idea ? |
| 00:24.56 | karmatronic | billybong: correct |
| 00:24.59 | monokrome | Anyone in here know a good article on setting up interface aliases? |
| 00:25.00 | karmatronic | billybong: eys |
| 00:25.03 | billybong | okay |
| 00:25.04 | ma3x | karmatronic, does tv card have SCART card input? |
| 00:25.10 | valdyn | ma3x: from tv? what kind of data is that? antenna cable? scart? |
| 00:25.14 | karmatronic | ma3x: no |
| 00:25.22 | valdyn | ma3x: where scart means jack shit when scart can be used for about anything |
| 00:25.30 | karmatronic | ma3x: as far as i know |
| 00:25.31 | fasta | karmatronic: and I cannot see the file names, since my screen is not wide enough. |
| 00:25.35 | ma3x | valdyn, scart |
| 00:25.48 | valdyn | ma3x: scart is a cable standard, not a data format |
| 00:25.50 | fasta | karmatronic: to me, it seems like a nice try, but overly simplistic. |
| 00:25.56 | valdyn | ma3x: scart is used for various things |
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| 00:26.19 | karmatronic | fasta: i probably have really basic needs regarding burning |
| 00:26.22 | ma3x | ok, i want to view video from the tv decoder to the laptop |
| 00:26.28 | ma3x | what kind of pcmcia card do i need? |
| 00:26.29 | karmatronic | fasta: what are you trying to burn ? |
| 00:26.32 | fasta | karmatronic: no, you have a wider screen than me. |
| 00:26.38 | fasta | karmatronic: I already burned it. |
| 00:26.47 | ma3x | and what cable does it use? svideo, scart? |
| 00:26.49 | valdyn | ma3x: typically rgb, like the vga signal probably, but scart is made for alot of data standards |
| 00:27.08 | ma3x | valdyn, so i need a pcmcia with a scart |
| 00:27.11 | ma3x | is there such a thing? |
| 00:27.14 | karmatronic | ma3x: i d say , you need |
| 00:27.17 | valdyn | ma3x: nonsense |
| 00:27.31 | valdyn | ma3x: you need a card that can take the signal from your decoder |
| 00:27.34 | fasta | ma3x: The filed saying what drive I have takes almost half of my screen. |
| 00:27.44 | valdyn | ma3x: i already sid that scart means nothing about the data |
| 00:27.45 | karmatronic | ma3x: a converter with peritel on one side and s video on the other |
| 00:27.48 | fasta | karmatronic: The field saying what drive I have takes almost half of my screen. |
| 00:27.53 | fasta | ma3x: sorry |
| 00:27.58 | karmatronic | ma3x: and a tv card, since they all have s video input |
| 00:28.23 | ma3x | karmatronic, what's peritel? does tv card have peritel? |
| 00:28.35 | karmatronic | ma3x: you re not french ? |
| 00:28.39 | fasta | karmatronic: that means there's size of screen/5 space for file names. |
| 00:28.43 | valdyn | ma3x: but that's so offtopic here, you should read your decoder manual |
| 00:28.53 | fasta | karmatronic: i.e. too little. k3b solves this better. |
| 00:29.06 | ma3x | karmatronic, allez les bleues |
| 00:29.07 | ma3x | :p |
| 00:29.08 | fasta | Anyway, the universal constant appears to be: all software sucks. |
| 00:29.15 | karmatronic | fasta: let me check other burning apps :) |
| 00:29.21 | ma3x | valdyn, whats ot? |
| 00:29.22 | fasta | Er most GUI software sucks ;) |
| 00:29.26 | ma3x | i just asked what card is compatible with debian |
| 00:29.28 | billybong | okay say i wanted to set a hostname for the server i would do "hostname host.name.com" |
| 00:29.33 | karmatronic | fasta: no ssh and screen rule ! |
| 00:29.33 | |DawnLight| | on boot debian turns off the fan for some reason. probably buggy acpi chip. anyway, i need the system to do "echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state" at some point during the boot. now, i don't know when exactly that should happen and i don't know how to make that happen. i'm assuming i'll be using the init.d system for this, right? wha? |
| 00:29.34 | billybong | how would i make it keep that after a reboot ? |
| 00:29.46 | billybong | no rc.conf in debian :P |
| 00:29.47 | fasta | ma3x: if you want a complete answer, you download the kernel sources. |
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| 00:30.04 | fasta | karmatronic: no ssh? |
| 00:30.07 | valdyn | ma3x: that's not offtopic, but figuring out what you need is, so read that manual |
| 00:30.11 | fasta | karmatronic: I do use both. |
| 00:30.20 | |DawnLight| | billybong: just put it in /etc/hostname |
| 00:30.29 | magyar | hi, i got these huge ass files in /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.XXXXX that are running the space down. Is this a bug in etch and mysql? |
| 00:30.32 | fasta | karmatronic: screen is another example of a program that just does what it needs to do and doesn't randomly crash. |
| 00:30.34 | billybong | |DawnLight|, and it will keep it after a reboot ? |
| 00:30.52 | valdyn | magyar: or someone filling your database? |
| 00:30.55 | |DawnLight| | billybong: that is the file that ir uses on boot |
| 00:30.56 | karmatronic | ma3x: http://www.pixmania.com/fr/fr/90412/art/hauppauge/carte-tuner-tv-tnt-pci-wi.html |
| 00:31.04 | billybong | |DawnLight|, thanks :) |
| 00:31.05 | |DawnLight| | s/ir/it |
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| 00:31.43 | karmatronic | ma3x: http://www.pixmania.com/fr/fr/252618/art/pinnacle-systems/pctv-hybrid-pro-card-tnt.html |
| 00:31.46 | valdyn | magyar: is it even really log files? |
| 00:31.48 | monokrome | Anyone in here know a good article on setting up interface aliases? :/ |
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| 00:32.10 | karmatronic | fasta: openvpn is cool too |
| 00:32.18 | |DawnLight| | billybong: don't hasitate to ask here for help. there are quick and easy "debian ways" of doing things |
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| 00:32.26 | karmatronic | fasta: network servers on linux generally |
| 00:32.33 | billybong | |DawnLight|, thank you :) |
| 00:32.33 | magyar | valdyn: dunno, they are in /var/log/mysql |
| 00:32.40 | fasta | karmatronic: doesn't work for the proprietary Cisco solution I can connect to. |
| 00:32.46 | billybong | |DawnLight|, debian is alot different than other distros and clones i've used |
| 00:32.57 | valdyn | magyar: you might just want to read them |
| 00:33.04 | karmatronic | fasta: right , but it s a cisco issue |
| 00:33.13 | karmatronic | fasta: although it s also our problem |
| 00:33.19 | ma3x | karmatronic, it's called tuner card? |
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| 00:33.25 | valdyn | magyar: or use 'file' on them |
| 00:33.25 | karmatronic | ma3x: yes |
| 00:33.26 | ma3x | the 2nd one is for desktop |
| 00:33.27 | |DawnLight| | billybong: much work has been made that made it so |
| 00:33.48 | fasta | karmatronic: yes, when you can "roll out" vpn you can choose for openvpn, although I have never done it, and probably never will. |
| 00:33.55 | billybong | i find apache config to be a pain so far |
| 00:34.04 | karmatronic | fasta: well openvpn is damn cool |
| 00:34.12 | ma3x | karmatronic, http://www.pixmania.com/fr/fr/179345/art/pixmania/cle-usb-tuner-tnt-ac-tv-u.html this works with debian |
| 00:34.14 | ma3x | ? |
| 00:34.17 | fasta | karmatronic: because? |
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| 00:34.27 | Xor | i'm getting this message after every apt-get update |
| 00:34.29 | Xor | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 00:34.29 | Xor | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 00:34.43 | karmatronic | fasta: ssl , port 443 , bypass firewalls and proxies |
| 00:34.58 | valdyn | Xor: one of your servers listed in /etc/apt/sources.list does not have those files or is just not accessible |
| 00:34.59 | Xor | apt-get -f update and dkpg --configure -a done many times, it does not work |
| 00:35.01 | |DawnLight| | billybong: make sure you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/$package for each package you install. especially README.Debian |
| 00:35.06 | h3sp4wn | Anyone know how I can get evdev to work with globbing in current sid |
| 00:35.12 | fasta | karmatronic: ssl is just one cryptographic protocol |
| 00:35.23 | billybong | okay |
| 00:35.24 | fasta | karmatronic: there are more with nicer properties. |
| 00:35.25 | Xor | valdyn i just tried it from another host in my network and there it worked |
| 00:35.26 | valdyn | Xor: if you would scroll up you would see which server that is |
| 00:35.33 | billybong | i've installed postfix now is there a way i can test it ? |
| 00:35.34 | karmatronic | fasta: ssl is the encryptation used on https pages on the web |
| 00:35.42 | billybong | pine doesn't seem to want to install thats normally how i would test it |
| 00:35.45 | fasta | karmatronic: ssl is just one of the more practical ones. |
| 00:35.48 | valdyn | Xor: so? does that other host have the same things in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:35.50 | fasta | karmatronic: yes, I know. |
| 00:35.52 | fasta | karmatronic: so? |
| 00:36.00 | h3sp4wn | (at the moment I use - Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1" but I think I should be able to use Option "Phys" "usb-*/input1" but if I do then it doesn't get detected |
| 00:36.01 | Xor | valdyn yes |
| 00:36.17 | valdyn | Xor: figure out which server is not accessible, then you can go on about why |
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| 00:36.45 | magyar | valdyn: "MySQL replication log" replication of what? |
| 00:36.52 | abrotman | billybong: pine isn't in debian |
| 00:36.58 | Xor | i have the same server in every sources.list ... and only at one host it does not work |
| 00:36.59 | karmatronic | fasta: which means if i m with my laptop in ANY network with some kind of internet access (most commonly through a proxy) , i cant still access my work network or home and all my ressourcs (my proxies,web servers,mail,...) |
| 00:37.05 | billybong | abrotman, well no wonder it wouldn't install |
| 00:37.05 | billybong | heh |
| 00:37.06 | valdyn | magyar: no idea, i dont use MySQL, i guess you did setup replication |
| 00:37.11 | billybong | abrotman, whats the debian alternative ? |
| 00:37.35 | h3sp4wn | billybong: apt-get -b source pine works (if you have non-free) or backport alpine |
| 00:37.41 | karmatronic | fasta: have you never faced the situation of beeing in some client with internet access , but you need to check your mail ? |
| 00:38.14 | Xor | valdyn |
| 00:38.15 | Xor | intranet:~# apt-get update |
| 00:38.16 | Xor | Err http://ftp.uni-kl.de etch Release.gpg |
| 00:38.16 | Xor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.17 | karmatronic | fasta: you have some webmail access , but still |
| 00:38.22 | fasta | karmatronic: if you are on a trusted platform (i.e. your laptop), it's a trivial problem. |
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| 00:38.37 | Xor | sorry |
| 00:38.39 | karmatronic | fasta: how do you solve it ? |
| 00:38.42 | fasta | karmatronic: if you use web-mail on a client's laptop, he could steal your password. |
| 00:39.08 | valdyn | Xor: use a paste site |
| 00:39.10 | valdyn | !paste |
| 00:39.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 00:39.24 | karmatronic | fasta: i meant i m at a client but with my own laptop of course |
| 00:39.32 | valdyn | Xor: 3128 sounds like a proxy port |
| 00:39.35 | fasta | karmatronic: I am not saying I wouldn't use openvpn. |
| 00:39.41 | valdyn | Xor: that would have been the admin who set that up |
| 00:39.52 | Xor | nope :( |
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| 00:40.03 | Xor | it works from all other hosts in here |
| 00:40.07 | karmatronic | fasta: i m not beeing arrogant , i just want to know if there are some other solutions i ignore |
| 00:40.14 | valdyn | Xor: that's irrelevant, paste the error |
| 00:40.17 | valdyn | Xor: just not here |
| 00:40.21 | Xor | ok |
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| 00:40.32 | |DawnLight| | i wrote a factoid. is it good? |
| 00:40.35 | |DawnLight| | !tdw |
| 00:40.35 | dpkg | hmm... tdw is The Debian Way. Much work has been made to simplify and ease the configuration and use of various subsystems in Debian. Doing things The Debian Way will save you time and trouble. Your questions are welcome in #debian and don't forget to /msg dpkg <topic>! |
| 00:40.36 | fasta | karmatronic: I don't know of software you can just install, but there are certainly different solutions to that problem. |
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| 00:41.00 | Xor | http://rafb.net/p/goVtLW68.html |
| 00:41.04 | Xor | valdyn |
| 00:41.12 | karmatronic | fasta: well , to be honnest , the best solution at the moment is i think ,the cisco vpn concentrator |
| 00:41.16 | fasta | karmatronic: You just want to create a secure channel and there are several ways of accomplishing that. |
| 00:41.25 | fasta | karmatronic: I think they use that. |
| 00:41.32 | fasta | karmatronic: what's good about it? |
| 00:41.35 | valdyn | Xor: run: `http_proxy="" apt-get update` |
| 00:41.37 | fasta | karmatronic: hardware based? |
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| 00:42.06 | karmatronic | fasta: well it s the same as running an ssl vpn (like openvpn) but it doesnt require any software on the client side |
| 00:42.14 | |DawnLight| | on boot debian turns off the fan for some reason. probably buggy acpi chip. anyway, i need the system to do "echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state" at some point during the boot. now, i don't know when exactly that should happen and i don't know how to make that happen. i'm assuming i'll be using the init.d system for this, right? wha? |
| 00:42.18 | karmatronic | fasta: apart from a web browser |
| 00:42.30 | tremby | certain characters aren't displaying in the terminal correctly on my lenny. i've tried xterm, aterm and a couple of others and it's all the same. for instance on manpages apostrophes show as an a with a hat and two boxes. what's wrong? |
| 00:42.37 | Xor | THX valdyn ... worked |
| 00:42.47 | valdyn | Xor: are you on gnome by incident? |
| 00:42.47 | fasta | karmatronic: that's odd, I am pretty sure that's what I can use, but it needs a kernel module. |
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| 00:42.50 | Xor | but i don't know who the hell set up a proxy |
| 00:43.05 | fasta | karmatronic: that's why I don't install it (I am not going to install random garbage from Cisco) |
| 00:43.06 | |DawnLight| | tremby: try to reconfigure it. dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 00:43.09 | Xor | nope, console only-server |
| 00:43.13 | dondelelcaro | tremby: that generally means that the manpage is in UTF8 but your locale isn't. |
| 00:43.19 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:43.22 | karmatronic | fasta: no it doesnt need client side |
| 00:43.27 | valdyn | Xor: i see, no idea where some fool did set that broken proxy then |
| 00:43.29 | dondelelcaro | magyar: they're what mysql uses to do replication servers |
| 00:43.36 | tremby | dondelelcaro: how do i get my locale into utf8? i'm in the uk |
| 00:43.37 | valdyn | Xor: could be /etc/apt/sources.list itself i think, or anywhere |
| 00:43.53 | karmatronic | fasta: regular cisco vpn does require installing a software anc compiling a cisco module , that s right |
| 00:44.00 | dondelelcaro | tremby: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 or similar |
| 00:44.02 | |DawnLight| | tremby: do dpkg-reconfigure locales and select a UTF-8 |
| 00:44.14 | karmatronic | fasta: but this ssl vpn is just sone additional feature of the cisco concentrator that can be enabled |
| 00:44.34 | valdyn | Xor: /etc/profile, /etc/environment /etc/bash.bashrc , respective files at /root/ etc |
| 00:44.55 | magyar | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by "do replication servers" ? |
| 00:44.55 | fasta | karmatronic: ok, still, you on your laptop need to have some program that translates everything to ssl. |
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| 00:45.11 | karmatronic | fasta: still i think it also requirers activex stuff on the web browser , which restrincs it to the infamous....IE |
| 00:45.20 | fasta | karmatronic: right, there you have it |
| 00:45.27 | fasta | karmatronic: that's also client side. |
| 00:46.00 | fasta | karmatronic: they probably use the browser to bootstrap |
| 00:46.15 | karmatronic | fasta: well you need aweb browser (which can deal ssl pages, but that s the common ) and activex ( which is a pain in the ass) |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | magyar: mysql.com has documentation that talks about replication |
| 00:46.34 | fasta | karmatronic: doesn't sound like a good idea to me |
| 00:46.48 | fasta | karmatronic: ActiveX has a horrible security track record |
| 00:46.56 | karmatronic | fasta: what i m searching is a secure channel , but whithout any client side requirement |
| 00:47.13 | Xor | ok valdyn thx... got the problem-source |
| 00:47.19 | karmatronic | fasta: and bypassing any intermediate firewalls |
| 00:47.20 | fasta | karmatronic: do you speak ssl? |
| 00:47.25 | karsten | What's the cdrecord replacement again? |
| 00:47.31 | fasta | karmatronic: of course you need some client |
| 00:47.37 | fasta | karmatronic: man cdrecord |
| 00:47.45 | fasta | karsten: man cdrecord |
| 00:48.04 | karmatronic | fasta: yeah but the client side should be the one you normally expect (web browser and that s it) |
| 00:48.11 | fasta | karsten: wodim |
| 00:48.16 | karsten | fasta: No manual entry for cdrecord |
| 00:48.20 | tremby | |DawnLight|: will i have to restart, log out, restart x or what to see any changes? i did the dpkg-reconfigure locales but it seemed to already be set to utf |
| 00:48.24 | karsten | fasta: Bingo, I think. |
| 00:48.25 | karmatronic | fasta: for instance, i also run ajaxterm on my web server |
| 00:49.08 | karmatronic | fasta: it provides me a shell to my home from ANY computer with internet access |
| 00:49.09 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:49.16 | fasta | karmatronic: via JavaScript one can do that, yes. |
| 00:49.42 | fasta | karmatronic: I am not sure whether it can run efficiently, but I also don't really see the point of it. |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | karsten: wodim |
| 00:49.55 | |DawnLight| | tremby: X doesn't have anything to do with this, i assume. what exactly are you seeing and where? |
| 00:50.04 | fasta | karmatronic: putting everything in the web browser is another stupid idea, imho. |
| 00:50.28 | karmatronic | fasta: so basically you dont like ajax ...;) |
| 00:50.36 | fasta | karmatronic: no, I hate ajax |
| 00:50.40 | fasta | karmatronic: it's slow. |
| 00:50.52 | fasta | karmatronic: some people use it for comment systems |
| 00:50.53 | karmatronic | fasta: putting things in a web browser is a fantastic idea |
| 00:51.01 | abrotman | fasta: it's not always slow |
| 00:51.28 | fasta | abrotman: ok, the concept might not be slow. People just use it for the wrong things then. |
| 00:51.32 | karmatronic | fasta: remote shell , office stuffs ,AS400 access , FTP through the web browser |
| 00:51.47 | karmatronic | fasta: remote share points |
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| 00:52.27 | fasta | I think web browsers are only designed to centralize more. |
| 00:52.27 | karmatronic | fasta: everything through a web window , it s the future ! |
| 00:52.33 | tremby | |DawnLight|: in all console stuff as far as i can tell, i get a-with-hat box box instead of any special characters like curly apostrophes. in the dpkg-reconfigure screens what i assume is supposed to be a box around everything shows as a bunch of a-with-hat box boxes |
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| 00:52.53 | fasta | I happen to like to have the program running on _my_ machine. |
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| 00:53.15 | fasta | Luckily that coincides with the desires of millions of other people. |
| 00:53.16 | karmatronic | fasta: when you re on your machine ,of course |
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| 00:53.36 | karmatronic | fasta: but youre not always on your machine |
| 00:53.46 | |DawnLight| | tremby: check out what your current locale is with locale |
| 00:53.49 | fasta | karmatronic: web applications do have some applications, yes. |
| 00:53.50 | karmatronic | fasta: and the point is to loose this dependency |
| 00:53.53 | karsten | That was a little smaller than I'd intended. |
| 00:54.12 | karmatronic | fasta: anyway, it was a cool conversation :) |
| 00:54.13 | tremby | |DawnLight|: it's all en_GB.UTF-8 except LC_ALL, which is blank |
| 00:54.19 | fasta | karmatronic: but I'd rather just have ssh access than some stupid control panel. |
| 00:54.30 | fasta | karmatronic: or doing something in some fake shell. |
| 00:54.48 | karmatronic | fasta: of course but you dont always have ssh access |
| 00:54.53 | fasta | karmatronic: those shells always introduce extra latency. |
| 00:55.12 | fasta | karmatronic: well, I cannot really see when I won't have ssh access. |
| 00:55.42 | dalias | try to get ssh access working on some lame computer in an airport or such |
| 00:55.43 | fasta | karmatronic: el cheapo webhosting maybe hasn't. |
| 00:55.56 | diafic | sleep tiem nao. nini |
| 00:56.00 | karmatronic | fasta: on any firewall that blocks every traffic to the inside which isnt ssl or http |
| 00:56.02 | fasta | dalias: that's an insecure platform |
| 00:56.13 | dalias | fasta, thats what otpw/opie is for |
| 00:56.27 | fasta | dalias: opie? |
| 00:56.36 | dalias | google is your friend |
| 00:57.46 | fasta | dalias: yes, the latter is a secure platform, the former can be intercepted. |
| 00:57.52 | karmatronic | fasta: plus you always depend on the throughport opened o |
| 00:58.04 | dalias | eh? |
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| 00:58.20 | |DawnLight| | tremby: something is kinky... i don't know exaclty... let me think... perhaps try the console-setup package but it won't really solve your problem |
| 00:58.35 | dalias | otpw is at least as secure as opie, probably moreso in practice |
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| 00:58.53 | tremby | |DawnLight|: i'll try console-setup... |
| 00:59.09 | fasta | dalias: how are you going to defeat a keylogger? |
| 00:59.35 | dalias | it doesn't matter. the password is only good for a single session |
| 00:59.53 | fasta | dalias: and who says they don't hijack your session? |
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| 01:00.06 | |DawnLight| | tremby: someone here may have the real solution from experience |
| 01:00.36 | dalias | which attacker are you considering? |
| 01:00.48 | tremby | it's actually the same on both of my lenny machines |
| 01:01.01 | fasta | dalias: for any random guy it probably is enough. |
| 01:01.08 | dalias | malicious client on the insecure terminal? |
| 01:01.16 | fasta | dalias: for example |
| 01:01.58 | |DawnLight| | tremby: why don't you upgrade? |
| 01:02.09 | dalias | karmatronic, how so? |
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| 01:02.18 | dalias | do you claim opie is any better? |
| 01:02.20 | |DawnLight| | tremby: no wait. lenny is testing? don't upgrade |
| 01:02.29 | tremby | |DawnLight|: yeah lenny's testing |
| 01:02.59 | fasta | karmatronic: I don't see the problem of "restrictive firewalls". As long as you can still send bits over it, you can easily use a proxy. |
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| 01:03.52 | fasta | karmatronic: firewalls are mostly used to block ports and keep clueless people from using programs they shouldn't be using |
| 01:04.15 | karmatronic | fasta: the problem with restritive firewalls is that a good administrator will prevent ssh remote access with preventing the ssh kind of traffic |
| 01:04.24 | karmatronic | fasta: which isnt ssl traffic |
| 01:04.40 | karmatronic | fasta: cos the ebst firewall in the word cant prevent ssl traffic |
| 01:05.00 | fasta | karmatronic: it can just block everything ;) |
| 01:05.04 | karmatronic | fasta: technicallly it can , of course , but if he does so ,.... |
| 01:05.26 | karmatronic | fasta: it will also prevent the regular users to access https pages |
| 01:05.51 | karmatronic | fasta: still you can prevent ssh access at no cost |
| 01:06.04 | dalias | how to prevent ssh access at no cost? |
| 01:06.07 | karmatronic | fasta: it s a basic measure of security |
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| 01:06.22 | dalias | s/security/fascism/ |
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| 01:06.28 | fasta | karmatronic: it depends on the network setup |
| 01:06.30 | karmatronic | dalias: ah ah :) |
| 01:06.32 | dalias | blocking ssh traffic is not security |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | it can help |
| 01:07.24 | karmatronic | dalias: i think it depends on the context |
| 01:07.56 | karmatronic | dalias: in any company , the biggest security problems are due to the proper employees |
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| 01:08.21 | karmatronic | dalias: well in any company , the real problem is that nobody wants to work |
| 01:08.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 01:08.31 | karmatronic | dalias: and neither does the sysadmin |
| 01:08.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | not true |
| 01:09.03 | karmatronic | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry , i meant I never want to work :) |
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| 01:09.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | i disagree with both points - nobody wants to work, and that the sysadmin doesnt want towork |
| 01:09.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | mk |
| 01:10.49 | karmatronic | i m a little offtopic , so i ll stop, but it just that good measures of security dont mean fascism |
| 01:11.04 | karmatronic | cos regular users dont have a clue |
| 01:11.13 | karmatronic | and they dont need to have a clue |
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| 01:11.28 | karmatronic | cos they are not supposed to have any informatic knowledge |
| 01:11.44 | karmatronic | cos thats not what they are payed for |
| 01:12.00 | karmatronic | s/payed/paid |
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| 01:19.15 | bwlang | how can i find out which programs are using disk io? is there an analog to top for i/o? |
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| 01:21.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | bwlang, try iostat |
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| 01:21.52 | bwlang | iostat just says how much disk... but doesn't say which processes. |
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| 01:22.19 | abrotman | atop |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 01:26.53 | sheppard | which package contains either nslookup or dig? |
| 01:27.06 | dondelelcaro | dnsutils |
| 01:27.13 | dondelelcaro | !tell sheppard -about search |
| 01:27.14 | sheppard | dondelelcaro: you rock, thanks |
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| 01:28.02 | dondelelcaro | sheppard: np; take a look at what dpkg told you too, 'cause it'll help you answer that question for yourself in the future |
| 01:28.30 | minus | I want ubuntu to automatically mount my 500GB ntfs disk and my 320GB EXT3 disk and show them in "Computer". Can someone tell me? |
| 01:28.46 | minus | I Use ubuntu right now.. but the scrolling is like 500km/h |
| 01:29.03 | minus | And Debians tend to know more than Ubuntians xD |
| 01:29.06 | dondelelcaro | minus: #ubuntu is who you want to talk to; they'll help you |
| 01:29.17 | minus | dondelelcaro, The fact is that they don't |
| 01:29.23 | minus | cause the scrolling is so fast.. |
| 01:29.55 | fiddles | do i need the linux headers to compile a kernel? |
| 01:30.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell minus about ubuntu |
| 01:30.08 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: you need make-kpkg and build-essential |
| 01:30.11 | fiddles | or is it something else im looking for in /usr/src |
| 01:30.31 | minus | Kamping_Kaiser, Yeahyeah... |
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| 01:30.47 | sheppard | kick ass dondelelcaro, didn't know about apt-file |
| 01:30.50 | sheppard | great tool |
| 01:31.14 | minus | Kamping_Kaiser, you can probably give me a hint of what to do, right? |
| 01:31.16 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: and no, you don't need anything in /usr/src; but why are you building a kernel in the first place? |
| 01:31.31 | fiddles | i need to rebuild a kernel w/o wireless drivers |
| 01:31.36 | fiddles | so i could install my own |
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| 01:31.47 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: why? |
| 01:31.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | minus, no i cant, i havent tried to do what you want to do |
| 01:32.03 | fiddles | the kernel drivers are lacking |
| 01:32.03 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: just build your wireless drivers and divert or otherwise remove the ones that are installed by Debian. |
| 01:32.13 | fiddles | dunno how to remove drivers |
| 01:32.19 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: with rm |
| 01:32.25 | fiddles | i try to install mine |
| 01:32.26 | dondelelcaro | or with dpkg-divert |
| 01:32.38 | fiddles | just to delete the .ko files? |
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| 01:33.28 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: yes, but what you're trying to do is almost assuredly silly |
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| 01:34.10 | fiddles | well |
| 01:34.14 | fiddles | i deleted my ko files |
| 01:34.21 | fiddles | and tried to install my drivers |
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| 01:34.32 | dondelelcaro | where are "my drivers" comming from? |
| 01:34.32 | fiddles | and it said that the drivers are already loaded in the kernel |
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| 01:34.44 | fiddles | dled them |
| 01:34.45 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: so modprobe -r foomod; and modprobe yourmod; |
| 01:35.00 | fiddles | well i cant compile the drivers i dled |
| 01:35.08 | fiddles | cause the kernels drivers are alrady installed |
| 01:35.13 | dondelelcaro | uh... sure you can |
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| 01:36.45 | fiddles | i dunno how to haha |
| 01:36.52 | fiddles | figure i might just recompil the kernel |
| 01:37.05 | fiddles | but for that i always get errors that the drivers are already loaded |
| 01:37.12 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: if you can't compile the modules, recompiling the kernel is almost assuredly not going to be something that you'll be able to do |
| 01:37.13 | fiddles | ive treid 2 diff drivers |
| 01:37.31 | fiddles | haha ive thought about that |
| 01:37.38 | fiddles | just give it a shot |
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| 01:37.51 | dondelelcaro | well, best of luck, then. |
| 01:37.59 | fiddles | im not to sure about how to completly remove the driver modules from the kernel |
| 01:38.04 | dondelelcaro | but frankly, you should just use the kernel modules unless they don't work at all. |
| 01:38.11 | minus | Does any of you guys know how to give/find the UUID of a harddrive? |
| 01:38.12 | fiddles | ive deleted them and rmmod, and modprobe -r |
| 01:38.45 | fiddles | naw, the kernel mod drivers dont function to my tastes |
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| 01:39.08 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: do they work at all? |
| 01:39.12 | zaius | anyone know what this means? kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 01:39.13 | fiddles | yah |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | minus: please ask #ubuntu |
| 01:39.19 | fiddles | they work just fine |
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| 01:39.24 | dondelelcaro | fiddles: so what's the problem? |
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| 01:39.43 | minus | abrotman, the command should be the same to get the UUID of a disk in ubuntu as in Debian |
| 01:39.45 | dondelelcaro | zaius: it generally means that eth0 hasn't linked up. |
| 01:39.47 | minus | I found it.. |
| 01:39.49 | minus | blkid |
| 01:39.59 | zaius | dondelelcaro: physically? |
| 01:40.20 | dondelelcaro | zaius: well, that's one thing that could be wrong, but it's talking about the ethernet level linkup |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | minus: this channel is to support Debian users ... Not Ubuntu users |
| 01:40.30 | dondelelcaro | (which is one level above physicality) |
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| 01:41.07 | zaius | dondelelcaro: ok so on a dedicated server, is that my problem, or the hosting company's problem? |
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| 01:41.14 | minus | abrotman, well.. the ubuntuchannel isn't that supportive... |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | then don't use Ubuntu .. problem solved |
| 01:41.35 | dondelelcaro | zaius: well, generally it resolves itself |
| 01:41.58 | |DawnLight| | right. debian is better anyhow, minus |
| 01:41.59 | zaius | dondelelcaro: yep, but it brings down my server at random, and it means reboots take ~20m |
| 01:42.35 | minus | |DawnLight|, On servers yes. On desktop no. I used it before.. It was alot of configuration to do... |
| 01:42.38 | dondelelcaro | zaius: huh. yeah, could be hardware, a kernel driver problem, or the physical link |
| 01:42.43 | minus | Atleast for the stuff I did |
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| 01:43.14 | eeyore- | hey guys |
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| 01:44.03 | zaius | dondelelcaro: hmm so how can i determine if it's a kernel driver problem? is there a way to switch a new driver in when i'm logged in through that interface? |
| 01:44.15 | |DawnLight| | i wonder how many users switch to debian this way... installing ubuntu > visiting here > s/ubuntu/debian |
| 01:45.14 | fiddles | lol recompile the kernel |
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| 01:46.11 | zaius | fiddles: was that for me? |
| 01:46.15 | dondelelcaro | zaius: no |
| 01:46.16 | fiddles | i went debian > ubuntu ( > debian |
| 01:46.19 | fiddles | haha naw |
| 01:46.31 | fiddles | i found the source tho |
| 01:46.43 | dondelelcaro | zaius: that'd require debugging what's actually going on and physical access to the box |
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| 01:47.02 | dondelelcaro | zaius: your best bet may be to get a second interface hooked up if it's a remote machine |
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| 01:48.30 | zaius | dondelelcaro: haha that sounds a little difficult - hosters don't speak english |
| 01:48.38 | eeyore- | is anybody using the microsoft vista fonts? i can't get calibri to render anti-aliased with freetype in all sizes. looks like freetype stops antialiasing at small sizes (around 12-16) and then starts antialiasing again when it's much smaller ( < 10 ) ... something weird is going on |
| 01:48.58 | |DawnLight| | i'm setting up my three box network here and am having so much fun. learned so much today... iptables, dnsmasq, bridge-utils... |
| 01:48.58 | h3xis | eeyore-, i use segoe |
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| 01:49.08 | bucketfan99 | hmm |
| 01:49.15 | bucketfan99 | i am trying to upgrade some 2.4 testing machines to 2.6 |
| 01:49.18 | eeyore- | i even put the statements to force hinting, antialiasing, etc. in /etc/fonts/local.conf and it still doesn't do it :-) |
| 01:49.22 | dondelelcaro | zaius: ugh. well, best of luck then |
| 01:49.22 | bucketfan99 | and its saying i have to add 'etch' respositories |
| 01:49.36 | dondelelcaro | zaius: has this been happening always or did it recently start? |
| 01:49.36 | bucketfan99 | and so i replace the word 'testing' with etc in my sources.list, and now i get errors |
| 01:49.38 | bucketfan99 | any idea ? :) |
| 01:50.01 | zaius | dondelelcaro: i got control of the server about 2 months ago and it wasn't happening before then.. so i'm guessing it's something i've done |
| 01:50.21 | dondelelcaro | zaius: hrm; have you upgraded kernels or anything? |
| 01:50.30 | zaius | dondelelcaro: i upgraded from sarge to etch(?) including going 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 01:50.48 | dondelelcaro | zaius: hrm; what network driver is it? |
| 01:50.52 | bucketfan99 | zaius can you msg me your sources.list ? :) |
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| 01:50.59 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: that isn't going to help you |
| 01:51.02 | bucketfan99 | ohh. |
| 01:51.03 | bucketfan99 | why |
| 01:51.14 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: give us the full output of whatever it is that you're doing including the command that was used to generate the output |
| 01:51.20 | bucketfan99 | right here ? |
| 01:51.23 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: use a paste site |
| 01:51.27 | bucketfan99 | sec |
| 01:51.36 | eeyore- | ah, looks like i'm not the only one: http://www.nabble.com/Spacing-hinting-problem-with-a-Microsoft-font-t4130114.html yeah i noticed the problem with kerning pair as well |
| 01:51.37 | zaius | dondelelcaro: how do i find out? |
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| 01:52.04 | dondelelcaro | zaius: dmesg or lsmod will tell you |
| 01:52.43 | |DawnLight| | i think he is just getting the error of changing the sources |
| 01:52.47 | venger | if i want to patch a kernel driver and compile just that driver and push it out, would i just make modules && modules_install after the change or is there alternative debian method? |
| 01:53.01 | |DawnLight| | and he said etc and not etch |
| 01:53.11 | dondelelcaro | zaius: lspci will also be illuminating |
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| 01:53.31 | dondelelcaro | venger: just build the module and copy that specific module out and run depmod |
| 01:53.41 | dondelelcaro | venger: though the ideal method is to just replace the entire kernel |
| 01:53.45 | dondelelcaro | (using make-kpkg) |
| 01:53.48 | mythomaniac | anyone else comming up with a google web seach as "problem loading"? |
| 01:54.11 | bucketfan99 | http://www.pastebin.ca/743070 |
| 01:54.16 | bucketfan99 | then it just goes in a loop like that |
| 01:54.18 | zaius | dondelelcaro: from lspci 00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a1) |
| 01:54.36 | venger | dondelelcaro, ill entertain the rebuild after some testing.. i'm just now sure how to "build" the module other than how i specified with make |
| 01:54.42 | dondelelcaro | zaius: oh. there's something really bad with that card's driver |
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| 01:55.00 | venger | c/now/not |
| 01:55.03 | dondelelcaro | zaius: which kernel are you using? |
| 01:55.14 | zaius | dondelelcaro: 2.6.19 |
| 01:55.28 | zaius | dondelelcaro: i think it's smp but i'm not sure |
| 01:55.38 | dondelelcaro | zaius: hrm... yeah, I'd suggest upgrading to .22 |
| 01:56.02 | zaius | dondelelcaro: ah cool - is there an easy way to do that with etch? |
| 01:56.07 | dondelelcaro | zaius: the basic problem that I've seen is that something bad happens with the card and it starts flipping on and off the link lights |
| 01:56.14 | dondelelcaro | zaius: you can just wget the unstable kernel and dpkg -i it |
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| 01:56.31 | dondelelcaro | zaius: but keep the old kernel installed |
| 01:56.41 | waltman | I burned a DVD-R on OSX today. When I try to mount it in debian, is says "No medium found". Anyone know how to mount it? |
| 01:56.50 | dondelelcaro | venger: make modules; will build them |
| 01:56.50 | waltman | it's been suggested that it's an hfs+ filesystem, but hpmount won't mount it, either |
| 01:56.56 | bucketfan99 | dondelelcaro you see any way out of that loop ? |
| 01:57.18 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: you need to install a specific linux kernel, like linux-image-2.6.22-2-486; |
| 01:57.23 | bucketfan99 | i did. |
| 01:57.24 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: then reboot, then complete the install. |
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| 01:57.27 | bucketfan99 | next line |
| 01:57.41 | bucketfan99 | after i specify, it tells me i have unmet dependencies |
| 01:57.45 | bucketfan99 | which then says, run apt-get -f install |
| 01:57.50 | bucketfan99 | which tells me, to do the kernel one |
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| 01:57.56 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: so specify initramfs-tools |
| 01:57.57 | bucketfan99 | and that loop never ends. |
| 01:58.04 | |DawnLight| | waltman: does that dvd-r work on other machines? you sure it isn't dvd+r? |
| 01:58.10 | dondelelcaro | apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 initramfs-tools; |
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| 01:58.26 | waltman | |DawnLight|: I can mount it on my powerbook just fine |
| 01:58.28 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: but you may need to back out to first upgrading to etch and installing the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | waltman: packet burning or whatever it was called ? |
| 01:58.32 | abrotman | packet writing |
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| 01:58.38 | waltman | what's that? |
| 01:58.46 | bucketfan99 | OK. dondelelcaro how do i 'back out' and then upgrade to etch ? |
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| 01:59.01 | waltman | it says "dvd-r" on the disk |
| 01:59.03 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: start by attempting to install linux-image-blahblah and initramfs-tools |
| 01:59.11 | zaius | dondelelcaro: ahh right - so it's part of unstable? will it break any of my packages? and how do i make sure it boots the other kernel if it doesn't work? |
| 01:59.19 | bucketfan99 | when i do that it says E: Couldn't find package initramfs-tool |
| 01:59.25 | bucketfan99 | doh |
| 01:59.26 | dondelelcaro | bucketfan99: s |
| 01:59.26 | bucketfan99 | i see it now ;) |
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| 02:00.30 | waltman | what's packet writing? |
| 02:00.50 | waltman | osx's mount command doesn't even say what filesystem it is |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | waltman: did you think to ask #macosx ? |
| 02:01.24 | dondelelcaro | waltman: it's probably iso9660 with the hfs extensions if anything |
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| 02:01.43 | dondelelcaro | waltman: but if it's saying no media, that usually means that the drive you stuck the disk in isn't able to detect the format of the disk |
| 02:01.54 | dondelelcaro | waltman: so try burning at a lower speed or use a different drive |
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| 02:02.02 | waltman | abrotman: Why should I ask on maxosx? Everything on that end worked great? |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | waltman: ask what format it burned it in |
| 02:02.18 | waltman | ah |
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| 02:03.11 | cchance_ | how do i exicute deb packages |
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| 02:04.21 | abrotman | cchance_: you don't |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | cchance_: man dpkg |
| 02:05.07 | |DawnLight| | !tell cchance_ about aptitude |
| 02:05.52 | GuHhH | hi! |
| 02:05.52 | cchance_ | i got the package |
| 02:05.59 | cchance_ | i want and i dont want to download it again |
| 02:06.18 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 02:06.24 | cchance_ | yeah |
| 02:06.30 | cchance_ | dpkg --install FILE |
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| 02:07.15 | |DawnLight| | cchance_: don't download packages manually. configure your sources.list and use aptitude |
| 02:07.24 | GuHhH | ive installed the ipw3945 and ieee80211, to enable my wireless... when i use module-assistant, it works but my system freezes... when i use apt directly, it gives me a lot of errors, (symbols errors)... does anyone has any idea? |
| 02:07.34 | cchance_ | i want to add my webserver to sources.list how do i do this |
| 02:07.34 | |DawnLight| | !tell cchance_ about sources.list |
| 02:07.37 | cchance_ | no |
| 02:07.49 | cchance_ | i have dialup, i downloaded the package originaly |
| 02:08.04 | cchance_ | from aptitude i copied the file now im using that copy to install it |
| 02:08.28 | h3xis | GuHhH, can you put it in pastebin? |
| 02:08.40 | cchance_ | its mysql server and i dont want to download 30MB again |
| 02:09.00 | |DawnLight| | cchance_: did you download all it's dependencies? |
| 02:09.05 | cchance_ | yes |
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| 02:09.21 | GuHhH | h3xis: well, i just uninstalled it... hehe so... sadly, no. :( |
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| 02:09.48 | h3xis | GuHhH, alright. i use ipw3945 and i installed it from source |
| 02:09.54 | |DawnLight| | cchance_: what doesn't work? |
| 02:09.55 | h3xis | GuHhH, so it's possible you could do that |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | cchance_: so use dpkg already |
| 02:09.57 | krono | anyone here fimilar with hylafax im having an issue getting it to see my modem |
| 02:10.13 | fiddles | so |
| 02:10.20 | fiddles | ive made my cofig file |
| 02:10.25 | fiddles | and compiling the kernel |
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| 02:10.38 | |DawnLight| | krono: does your modem work otherwise? |
| 02:10.40 | fiddles | do i have to specify my config file? or does it just know? |
| 02:10.44 | GuHhH | h3xis: yeah, im trying it right now... download ieee80211 and ipw3945 from sourceforge :) |
| 02:11.03 | |DawnLight| | !tell fiddles about kernel compile |
| 02:11.15 | hans_ | hi all, i'm a bit of a newb in this particular subject. we've currently got email being hosted via a 3rd party company. however, we are wanting to move emails to a internal server and i'm just wondering how i need to go about this. i presume i need to set up a mail server and then update my mx records to point to that server, but there are a few things i'm uncertain about :\ |
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| 02:11.33 | abrotman | cchance_: and from now on .. use aptitude |
| 02:11.36 | JeremyK | hans_: what are those few things you are uncertain about |
| 02:11.40 | hans_ | was hoping someone might be able to give me some basic pointers |
| 02:11.45 | cchance_ | i will for everything else but |
| 02:11.48 | cchance_ | mysql is big |
| 02:11.52 | JeremyK | hans_: you haven't asked a question :) |
| 02:12.01 | JeremyK | !ask |
| 02:12.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:12.05 | GuHhH | !paste |
| 02:12.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 02:12.16 | krono | anyone here fimilar with hylafax im having an issue getting it to see my modem |
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| 02:12.27 | hans_ | well, do i need to register my local servers ip anywhere?how will mx1.mydomain.com suddenly translate to my server? |
| 02:12.38 | |DawnLight| | hans_: install the mail server task and look at the packages' docs |
| 02:12.47 | GuHhH | h3xis and everyone: http://paste.debian.net/40194 |
| 02:12.49 | JeremyK | hans_: you have to update your dns records for your domain to point to the new server |
| 02:12.49 | |DawnLight| | krono: does your modem work otherwise? |
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| 02:13.20 | krono | yes |
| 02:13.25 | krono | it just doesnt want to see it |
| 02:13.32 | krono | ive tried a use robotics |
| 02:13.36 | hans_ | well, our we still have a remote server, and i dont want the records for www traffic still going there |
| 02:13.41 | krono | and a conxentant |
| 02:13.44 | hans_ | i mean, i do want |
| 02:14.13 | |DawnLight| | krono: did you check /usr/share/doc/hylafax? |
| 02:14.35 | JeremyK | hans_: right. generally your MX record will point to something like 'mail.example.com' (although I recommend using mx.example.com instead) and then the A record for that points to the IP address of the mail server |
| 02:14.52 | h3xis | GuHhH, i think debian already includes 80211 but im not sure. also, make sure you have the headers/source installed |
| 02:14.59 | ma3x | can I view video from camera via firewire directly? (without first capturing it)? |
| 02:15.00 | |DawnLight| | hans_: get the debian mail server up and running and deal with the networking issues later |
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| 02:15.23 | hans_ | jeremyk: then i presume, i just have to set up that server with bind to host that? |
| 02:15.44 | hans_ | dawnlight: i got that already, running postfix, courier etc... |
| 02:15.44 | Yggdr4sil | hello, can somone tell me how to start a vnc server using x11vnc on a x session that logged in . how can is tart it from a console sshd in ? |
| 02:15.47 | JeremyK | hans_: no. wherever your DNS is currently hosted, either change the records there or ask them to change it |
| 02:16.06 | |DawnLight| | Yggdr4sil hold on... |
| 02:16.12 | GuHhH | h3xis: is there any way to remove the manually installed ieee? i tried make uninstall but it seems that it doesnt work |
| 02:16.26 | Yggdr4sil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:16.28 | Yggdr4sil | i tried that |
| 02:16.32 | Yggdr4sil | didnt work |
| 02:16.33 | cchance_ | How do i make a repository server |
| 02:16.39 | hans_ | jeremy: ok, i'm just not sure how im supposed to configure my debian server to receive email, which packages i need etc... |
| 02:16.49 | h3xis | GuHhH, what happens if you try to go ahead and install the actual ipw3945 source? |
| 02:16.50 | fiddles | oh wow im not compiling the debian way |
| 02:16.55 | JeremyK | hans_: you just said you had it all set up... |
| 02:17.03 | fiddles | well i hope it uses my config file |
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| 02:17.21 | waltman | #macosx says it should be an iso9660 filesystem |
| 02:17.23 | fiddles | or ill be a sad panda |
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| 02:18.37 | |DawnLight| | Yggdr4sil: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 and then x11vnc -localhost -display :0 and it tell you something about an xauth file at the end. you should figure it out |
| 02:18.41 | hans_ | jeremy: ok, i'm embarrassed, but i followed the howto perfect setup at howtoforge and the setup seemed to be fairly light on details on how to set up the server to receive email, rather than simply sending and hosting apache etc. |
| 02:18.50 | hans_ | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
| 02:19.05 | zaius | is linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 from backports the package i use to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.22? |
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| 02:19.13 | hans_ | i have a feeling im a complete gimp and approaching it completely the wrong way |
| 02:19.23 | hans_ | but i'm willing to learn |
| 02:19.27 | JeremyK | hans_: the beautiful thing about email servers is they are easy to test |
| 02:19.35 | JeremyK | hans_: simply send a couple of emails through it |
| 02:19.49 | JeremyK | you don't *need* to have dns configured to test your mail server |
| 02:20.13 | hans_ | jeremyk: I've tested sending to my own domain and to gmail, and they receive fine |
| 02:20.36 | JeremyK | how about sending to the domain the machine is supposed to be hosting? |
| 02:20.45 | hans_ | jeremyk: in the end, the reason we are setting it up is so we can use it for sending mass bulk mails via smtp from another server |
| 02:21.04 | hans_ | (not spam, dont worry) |
| 02:21.08 | JeremyK | hans_: and you're doing this on what sort of connection? |
| 02:21.26 | fiddles | should the screen go black when your compiling? |
| 02:21.28 | fiddles | uhoh |
| 02:21.41 | JeremyK | if you just need a relay box for your bulk mailings, you don't need to move your entire domain's hosting over to it |
| 02:21.45 | Kiron | somebody already installed the SNMP in debian? |
| 02:22.05 | hans_ | jeremyk: how so? |
| 02:22.25 | JeremyK | hans_: just configure your local server to accept and relay email from the bulk server |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | Kiron: of course someone has |
| 02:22.33 | JeremyK | it will then send it out to the rest of the internet. |
| 02:23.01 | Kiron | abrotman, you? |
| 02:23.09 | hans_ | jeremyk: is there not any potential for email to be flagged as spam, because it is originating from some random server? |
| 02:23.09 | abrotman | Kiron: ask a better question |
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| 02:23.45 | JeremyK | hans_: of course. but that has nothing to do with where the MX records point. take gmail for instance, their outbound and inbound servers are completely different |
| 02:24.19 | databuddy | when doing stuff that takes load uphigh - like extracting files from rar or tar why doesnt load drop very quickly when task finishes? |
| 02:24.33 | Kiron | sorry |
| 02:24.33 | JeremyK | what sort of connection are you intending to send from btw? |
| 02:24.38 | Kiron | I forgive for badly English mine, I did not find documentation of as to install SNMP in debian |
| 02:24.50 | hans_ | jeremyk: about 8 megs, not a lot, iknow |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | Kiron: apt-cache search snmp ... install the packages you want |
| 02:25.03 | JeremyK | hans_: residential, business dsl, what |
| 02:25.09 | hans_ | business dsl |
| 02:25.10 | databuddy | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=snmp+debian+howto&btnG=Google+Search |
| 02:25.15 | databuddy | google is your friend Kiron |
| 02:25.21 | databuddy | search terms simple there.... |
| 02:25.28 | Kiron | abrotman, i do this |
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| 02:25.37 | JeremyK | hans_: don't bother. you're going to 1) saturate your upstream and people who are trying to use it are going to get pissed off, and 2) you are going to get immediately flagged as spam just about anywhere. |
| 02:25.57 | JeremyK | hans_: why can't you configure your bulk sending server to use the machine whichis already hosting your email? |
| 02:26.01 | cchance_ | Yay i just saved myself 3 hours of downloading |
| 02:26.14 | ma3x | how can I stream over firewire? |
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| 02:26.26 | abrotman | ma3x: stream WHAT? |
| 02:26.35 | ma3x | abrotman, the video |
| 02:26.42 | abrotman | just play it |
| 02:26.52 | ma3x | i play it on the camcorder |
| 02:26.59 | ma3x | but how do i play viw it on the computer? |
| 02:27.03 | ma3x | view* |
| 02:27.10 | ma3x | mplayer what options? |
| 02:27.35 | hans_ | jeremyk: i'll explain. we recently got cut off our isp hosting our web servers without warning, because they claimed we sent too much mail. we tried relaying it via our email hosting service, but they said their policy was to throttle to 250 emails per hour... which is too little... as we send out thousands per night |
| 02:28.04 | JeremyK | hans_: all I'm saying is you are going to get blacklisted. period. |
| 02:28.14 | JeremyK | you're taking the wrong approach to the problem |
| 02:28.25 | JeremyK | 250 emails per hour.. sounds familiar |
| 02:28.26 | ma3x | abrotman, you know? |
| 02:28.32 | JeremyK | mind if i ask who your email hosting service is? :) |
| 02:28.40 | hans_ | jeremyk: webmail.us ;) |
| 02:28.47 | abrotman | ma3x: depends on the format ? |
| 02:28.47 | JeremyK | ah, nevermind then |
| 02:28.52 | ma3x | abrotman, dv |
| 02:29.00 | wwasher | how does one enable php for thttpd? |
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| 02:29.05 | hans_ | jeremyk: fair enough, i just don't know what approach to take, to be honest] |
| 02:29.07 | ma3x | abrotman, you know camcorder |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | no i don't |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | i'm not rich like you |
| 02:29.30 | JeremyK | hans_: get a colocation somewhere and your own bandwidth. |
| 02:29.40 | wwasher | the description provided from apt is that it does php, but i seem to not have the right collection of ... stuff to make it wor |
| 02:29.44 | wwasher | s/wor/work |
| 02:29.56 | |DawnLight| | abrotman: didn't you say you have a beach house in brazil? |
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| 02:30.07 | ma3x | abrotman, you suck |
| 02:30.10 | hans_ | jeremyk: colocation...? |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | ma3x: thanks .. have a nice day |
| 02:30.26 | ma3x | abrotman, have a bad day |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | no wonder you never get help |
| 02:30.36 | hans_ | jeremyk: we are currently in a colocation, and they are the ones who cut us off |
| 02:30.56 | hans_ | jeremyk: claiming that using their smtp relay was a courtesy service |
| 02:31.10 | JeremyK | hans_: ok, then don't use their SMTP relay? why not just send direct? heh |
| 02:31.11 | ma3x | abrotman, no wonder you don't know stuff |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:31.34 | ma3x | it's true |
| 02:31.39 | hans_ | jeremyk: and that us sending so much mail was a breach of service, because whatever reason (even if it wasn't unsolicited... they are being bastards, basically) |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | ma3x: maybe ask Nyle |
| 02:32.03 | hans_ | jeremyk: could do that, but just worry about being blacklisted for that reason |
| 02:32.11 | JeremyK | hans_: if your hosting company cut you off i have to assume you were spamming. I don't help spammers, so sorry, you're on your own now. |
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| 02:32.33 | ma3x | Nyle? |
| 02:32.41 | ma3x | who's nyle? the guitarist? |
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| 02:32.59 | hans_ | jeremyk: we weren't spamming, we were simply sending email out to people who registered to our website for nightly emails. thats the thing that sucks about it! |
| 02:33.41 | ma3x | in other words: how do you live stream or simply view a webcam in linux? |
| 02:33.42 | JeremyK | hans_: if it was legit your ISP wouldn't have cut you off. I don't know their reasoning, nor do I care. You are now just a spammer in my eyes, and a clueless one at that. |
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| 02:34.13 | |DawnLight| | ma3x: i used xawtv |
| 02:34.16 | luis[27] | hi |
| 02:34.28 | |DawnLight| | ma3x: but you be gentle with abrotman, eh |
| 02:34.46 | hans_ | jeremyk: :\ that's harsh. i wish you didn't just jump to conclusions. |
| 02:34.55 | ma3x | abrotman doesn't know what a cell phone is |
| 02:34.58 | JeremyK | hans_: good bye. |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | ma3x: stop being an ass |
| 02:35.17 | ma3x | he lives in the forest |
| 02:35.22 | |DawnLight| | !ahimsa |
| 02:35.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ahimsa is a Sanskrit term meaning nonviolence (literally: the avoidance of violence - himsa). It is an important tenet of the religions that originated in ancient India (Hinduism, Buddhism, and especially Jainism). Ahimsa is a rule of conduct that bars the killing or injuring of living beings. It is closely connected with the notion that all kinds of violence entail negative karmic consequences. |
| 02:36.00 | alaya | overpopulation is violence |
| 02:36.11 | h3xis | jainism is weird |
| 02:37.30 | |DawnLight| | and agriculture |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | agriculture is very weird! |
| 02:38.11 | alaya | maybe some agricultural techniques, but not agriculture |
| 02:38.13 | wwasher | growing food and all! |
| 02:38.55 | hans_ | jeremyk: well, thanks for your help anyways. i appreciate it. i don't expect you to think any differently. i hate spammers myself. we sent the same emails every night for over a year without any problems and then suddenly one day got cut off for no reason, and now its my responsibility to figure a way out of this mess and i have to deal with people assuming that i'm a spammer... f*cking sucks for me |
| 02:39.06 | Tramp | hans_: Do I get this right: Your ISP cut you off, because they didn't offer their E-Mail service for customers? |
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| 02:40.29 | hans_ | tramp: they claimed we sent too much email. believe me, i'm going to complain to our account manager, but he;s on paternity leave at the moment and everyone else there are being unhelpful, and i'm just trying to even get regular business emails sending |
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| 02:40.39 | Tramp | If this is the case, you could either ask them to offer such a service (for you and maybe other customers) or set up an E-Mail server yourself. |
| 02:40.53 | ma3x | |DawnLight|, xawtv can stream firewire? |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:41.37 | hans_ | tramp: i'm trying to set up an email server, and jeremy was helping out a little, but them he assumed i was a spammer and called me clueless on top of that (and i will admit i am a bit clueless, hence why i was asking for help... this isn;t my expertise) |
| 02:41.39 | |DawnLight| | ma3x: i don't know. i used it for a webcam |
| 02:41.39 | ma3x | what ya laughin at, pump cake! :p |
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| 02:43.45 | Tramp | hans_: Well, I see. Setting up a commercial-grade E-Mail service is not an easy task (and I don't have too much clue myself). Thus I was suggesting, to ask your ISP to do it (as a paid service) |
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| 02:46.16 | krono | is there a hylafax chat |
| 02:46.30 | hardbop200 | okay, I might be late to the part y on this, but somehow I am running x without an xorg.conf. is this something new for debian? |
| 02:46.31 | hans_ | tramp: seriously, i wish i knew, but its the weekend, and my isp is unhelpful since my account manager isn't there. i'm expected to get thigns sorted by monday, and i'm completely drained. |
| 02:46.43 | |DawnLight| | krono: did you see /usr/share/doc/hylafax? |
| 02:46.51 | hans_ | :sighs |
| 02:47.02 | hardbop200 | hans_: me? |
| 02:47.22 | |DawnLight| | hardbop200: what is the question? |
| 02:47.23 | hans_ | no, sorry, not you |
| 02:47.38 | |DawnLight| | hans_: did you have a fight with them or something? |
| 02:47.47 | alaya | hans_: why can't you install sendmail? |
| 02:47.52 | hardbop200 | no problem. dawnlight - somehow, somewhay, I am running x w/out an xorg.conf. i have no idea how. |
| 02:47.58 | graytron | hans_: why do you send the same e-mails every night? |
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| 02:48.09 | abrotman | krono: no .. i think there's a mailing list |
| 02:48.13 | |DawnLight| | hardbop200: i guess X has defaults... |
| 02:48.32 | krono | dawnlight nothing |
| 02:48.37 | hardbop200 | I've seen slight mention os --of new versions of x not using this file anymore and *(somehow) dynamically determining this stuff, but it's really strange... |
| 02:48.49 | hans_ | we don't, basically we send out personalized emails matching items in our database that people sign up email alerts for |
| 02:48.53 | Max_- | If I want to have the wireless adapter intel w39 working, what do I need to do, I saw many packages with ipw3945 on it... ?? |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | krono: hylafax is a pain |
| 02:48.58 | |DawnLight| | krono: what? |
| 02:49.00 | hans_ | so everyones email is different |
| 02:49.08 | hans_ | every night |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: it'd be hylafax-server |
| 02:49.37 | |DawnLight| | abrotman: tell him that :) |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | |DawnLight|: he should know that |
| 02:49.55 | ma3x | dvgrab - |mplayer - |
| 02:49.59 | ma3x | why that doesnt work? |
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| 02:50.04 | |DawnLight| | abrotman: i was thinking that |
| 02:50.05 | hans_ | well, i wanted to have a fight with them, because they admitted that it was solicated emails, and still blocked us |
| 02:50.14 | dalias | hans_, do people really sign up, or do they "sign up" by default if they don't opt-out? :) |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | krono: what kind of question do you have ? |
| 02:50.30 | alaya | hans_: aside from complaining about them, why can't you install and MTA? |
| 02:50.33 | dalias | out-out is still spam |
| 02:50.37 | hans_ | i asked whether our server was accidentlly acting like an open relay and they admitted that it wasn;t |
| 02:50.53 | dalias | hans_, answer my question |
| 02:51.03 | hans_ | its a check box when they register, unselected by default |
| 02:51.10 | dalias | okay |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
| 02:51.38 | Kiron | alguem conhece um vpn client para checkpoint? |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | !br |
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| 02:51.45 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:51.46 | dalias | abrotman, i wanted to know if it was telling the truth that he's not spamming. because if he was spamming we shouldnt be helping him |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | dalias: and he might be lying .. get over it |
| 02:52.14 | hans_ | seriously, i'm not spamming |
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| 02:52.30 | ameyer | opt-out == spam, as far as I'm concerned |
| 02:52.32 | dalias | indeed i believe him now that he's clarified that |
| 02:52.36 | dalias | ameyer, indeed |
| 02:52.53 | ameyer | unfortunately, the law doesn't agree with me around here |
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| 02:53.30 | dalias | you don't have to use spam law |
| 02:53.38 | |DawnLight| | hans_: did you have a look at the papers describing the deal with the isp? |
| 02:53.43 | dalias | just use unauthorized access based law |
| 02:53.48 | dalias | theft of service, etc. |
| 02:54.49 | hans_ | dawnlight: yes, it says |
| 02:55.02 | hans_ | - dont send to people who doesnt wish to receive it |
| 02:55.08 | hans_ | - dont send unsoliceted |
| 02:55.13 | hans_ | - no mailbombs |
| 02:55.22 | hans_ | - dont falsify email headers |
| 02:55.40 | hans_ | - dont suggest in emails that it is endorsed by the isp, etc |
| 02:56.38 | |DawnLight| | then hans_, get them on their words. threaten them. get dirty. that way you may get some time until the agreement wears off |
| 02:57.57 | hans_ | mate, i'm not that kind of guy, i'll get my manager here to do that or something, but its the weekend, and not much can be done about it at the moment |
| 02:58.46 | hans_ | its possible, but what are we supposed to do about it? we cant read peoples minds :p |
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| 02:59.10 | ameyer | how about not opting-in people by default ;) |
| 02:59.15 | DawnLight | hans_: it doesn't require much, but asking for compliance with the terms of the agreement |
| 02:59.21 | alaya | hans_: move to a community-based colo instead. commercial ones will not stand up for you |
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| 03:00.05 | hans_ | yeh, these things take time tho |
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| 03:00.21 | alaya | hans_: they blocked your own mail server or you are using theirs? |
| 03:00.37 | hans_ | they blocked us relaying thru their smtp |
| 03:00.59 | hans_ | they said we could send direct to mx if we wanted to |
| 03:01.02 | alaya | hans_: then set up your own. end of story. it may be that they don't want to deal with the issues from your traffic |
| 03:01.58 | wwasher | after installing thttpd, how does one enable php for thttpd? apt package information says that it will do php, but so far, none of the cgi info i can find (which is what seems most related) does it... thttpd just sends back an error |
| 03:02.14 | alaya | hans_: apt-get install sendmail then run sendmailconf |
| 03:02.16 | hans_ | probably, i guess i could just toggle postfix to send direct rather than through relay |
| 03:02.22 | alaya | sendmailconfig |
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| 03:02.37 | hans_ | ya, sendmail is good as well |
| 03:02.39 | alaya | or postifix, or whatever mta |
| 03:03.01 | alaya | dpkg-reconfigure postfix if its already installed |
| 03:03.19 | hans_ | only one thing bugs me, i cant get it to stop relaying emails sent to our own domain frmo being delivered locally (because our mail server is not our web server) |
| 03:03.49 | alaya | select "internet site" make sure the domain you're sending from has valid dns, and make sure its not an open relay (test by telnetting to port 25 as anonymous) |
| 03:03.56 | hans_ | ie. my website www.example.com, if i email hans_@example.com from the webserver, it delivers it locally |
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| 03:04.31 | hans_ | i done that, and it still relays locally, for some reason |
| 03:04.33 | DawnLight | while we're on the subject here, i want a command line mail agent that will send mail to an smtp that requires authentication. this is only for those debian services such as reportbug and popularity-contest. what will be my best choice? |
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| 03:04.59 | alaya | hans_: where is it supposed to send it? isn't that machine running mail and the webserver? |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | DawnLight: you could setup a real MTA locally and have it do that |
| 03:05.42 | alaya | hans_: ah wait, you want to be able to send mails from web server to mail server, not have them locally deliverd on web server? |
| 03:05.42 | hans_ | no, our mail is being received by another hosting company, mx records point to different server |
| 03:05.50 | hans_ | yep! |
| 03:05.52 | hans_ | :) |
| 03:05.59 | DawnLight | abrotman: do i want to do that? |
| 03:06.25 | abrotman | DawnLight: it's probably easier .. i don't know if mutt or alpine or elmo can do what you're asking |
| 03:07.07 | DawnLight | abrotman: but won't that be a problem with spam filters? |
| 03:07.21 | abrotman | not if it's done right |
| 03:07.44 | DawnLight | abrotman: if you say so ok. what's the package? |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | pick one |
| 03:08.22 | hans_ | hey, i just wanted to say thanks to you all, for helping me put things into perspective... :) |
| 03:09.10 | DawnLight | abrotman: you know what... my box is in my network of three boxes. one serves as a router doing nat to the internet. does that change the picture? |
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| 03:09.38 | abrotman | DawnLight: you're just trying to use your ISPs smtp server as a smarthsot ? |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | host |
| 03:09.56 | DawnLight | well, not my isp's but yes |
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| 03:11.39 | DawnLight | abrotmanny |
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| 03:12.34 | alaya | hans_: one thing, you could try sending mail to user@machine.mydomain.com instead of @mydomain.com |
| 03:13.22 | alaya | hans_: so, user@mailmachine.mydomain.com whatever its hostname is, put in front of the domain |
| 03:14.27 | hans_ | but if my email address is user@example.com, if i send to user@machine.emample.com, wouldn't that end up failing to get to user@example.com? |
| 03:15.03 | alaya | hans_: not if machine.example.com has an A record, which it should anyway |
| 03:15.29 | alaya | i think that bypasses the MX record for the domain |
| 03:15.43 | alaya | also, you actually don't need MX records. |
| 03:16.12 | alaya | as long as the domain is dns'ed and each machine/subdomain has an A record |
| 03:16.44 | hans_ | well, i dont think machine.example.com has a mx record, the mx record points to example.com |
| 03:17.08 | hans_ | unless i'm completely misunderstanding the whole thing, i apologize in advance |
| 03:17.24 | alaya | get rid of MX records. use A records instead |
| 03:17.35 | hans_ | but i'll give it a try, one sec |
| 03:17.59 | alaya | hans_: also, you could just add a hosts entry on web server. that is the simplest |
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| 03:19.19 | hans_ | let me get this right, tho (btw, it worked) |
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| 03:19.56 | hans_ | since i'm not relaying via our isp's smtp server, its not relaying via which ever other server? like gmails, if i send to gmail? |
| 03:20.43 | yiga1 | so yesterday and today I installed a desktop GNU/Linux Sid amd64 on a lapi :) I have compiz-fusion working and everything else that I enjoy for entertainment sake except flash. Does anyone have a take on "the best" way to install the non-free flash plugin - as I am a video junky :( I need it |
| 03:20.45 | alaya | hans_: technically, every time you send mail to a user at an address, whatever MTA is responsible for that address is "relaying" the message. but its not the same kind of relaying that your ISP was doing. |
| 03:21.14 | hans_ | wow, i really wish i knew this! thanks! |
| 03:21.32 | alaya | hans_: but all MTA's will only relay or accept mail at their destination based on strict rules |
| 03:21.37 | DawnLight | yiga1: don't use sid |
| 03:21.50 | DawnLight | !tell yiga1 about sid upgrade |
| 03:22.11 | hans_ | now, one of the things i read was that if i'm sending out emails as you are suggesting, i need to register an abuse email address (in case of complaints or whatnot)? |
| 03:22.13 | alaya | hans_: that's why there are active checks for open relays and automatic blocks if your MTA is found to be open |
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| 03:22.37 | alaya | hans_: yes. you should be able to add an alias to /etc/aliases |
| 03:22.41 | yiga1 | Dawn I am using Sid and have for 3 years and am mostly happy with it |
| 03:23.04 | hans_ | 1: oh, how can they tell if i'm an open relay? |
| 03:23.08 | alaya | man aliases for more info on how to do it |
| 03:23.17 | yiga1 | DawnLight: Sid, imo, is more stable than most distributions based off of Debian |
| 03:23.24 | hans_ | 2: well, this server doesn't receive emails, would i still need to do that on the webserver? |
| 03:23.38 | alaya | hans_: you can telnet to port 25 of your mail server and send the SMTP commands manually through a shell and see if it allows you to send mail |
| 03:24.05 | alaya | hans_: so: telnet mail.my.server 25 |
| 03:24.06 | DawnLight | yiga1: doesn't the flash-nonfree package work in sid? |
| 03:24.23 | alaya | hans_: then issue the EHLO command and other commands to try to send mail |
| 03:24.29 | hans_ | no, we've got a firewall block on all ports apart from the necessary ones |
| 03:24.42 | yiga1 | DawnLight: I am not sure I haven't tried it as I have heard so many competing stories about amd64 and flash |
| 03:24.55 | alaya | hans_: well if port 25 is blocked you won't be able to receive any mail |
| 03:25.10 | DawnLight | yiga1: well, here in etch i havn't been succesful with it |
| 03:25.16 | DawnLight | yiga1: amd64 |
| 03:25.18 | alaya | hans_: you need the port open to communicate via SMTP, but need to make it secure |
| 03:25.34 | hans_ | ya, this is the webserver, our mail is handled via an email hosting company |
| 03:25.53 | alaya | hans_: if you run dpkg-reconfigure postifix and set it to only handle certain domains, i think it will be ok. but you should check |
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| 03:26.11 | yiga1 | DawnLight: Do you have the plugin installed through a chroot? |
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| 03:26.37 | DawnLight | yiga1: no, i've never heard of that method |
| 03:26.48 | alaya | hans_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol |
| 03:26.50 | hans_ | ok, i'm getting a bit unsure at this point... |
| 03:27.06 | yiga1 | DawnLight: of course a 32b chroot no biggy but there may be more efficient ways |
| 03:27.14 | hans_ | why do i want smtp to be open on our webserver, when its not a mail server? |
| 03:27.35 | dondelelcaro | hans_: if you don't plan on receiving mail, just install nullmailer or similar. |
| 03:27.38 | alaya | hans_: oh no, if you don't want it to recieve mail. i was talking about the mail server |
| 03:27.45 | hans_ | oh right |
| 03:27.48 | DawnLight | !tell yigal about flash |
| 03:27.56 | alaya | hans_: yeah keep it blocked |
| 03:28.10 | hans_ | ya, we dont host our own mail server, thats handled by some commercial hosting company for us |
| 03:28.25 | hans_ | ku... in that case, everything is ok then? |
| 03:28.34 | alaya | sorry i got confused which "mail server" we meant |
| 03:28.37 | alaya | hans_: yes |
| 03:28.56 | hans_ | hehe, dont worry, i'm not making much sense at this point :) |
| 03:29.06 | alaya | hans_: provided the sender domain on the mailserver actually resolves via dns |
| 03:29.20 | alaya | hans_: otherwise it will get rejected at destinations as being invalid |
| 03:29.39 | ameyer | hans_: I'm sorry for suggesting that you're a spammer |
| 03:29.53 | hans_ | well, example.com resolves to our webserver, mx.example.com resolves to our mail hoster |
| 03:30.03 | hans_ | ameyer, thats ok... i dont blame you |
| 03:30.15 | hans_ | here in nigeria, we dont bear grudges... |
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| 03:30.21 | hans_ | (joking!) |
| 03:30.23 | Supaplex | so hans_ hijacked example.com. great, now what am I going to use for a dummy domain in my documentation? ;) |
| 03:30.28 | alaya | hans_: i'm not sure in that case. i could be ok but possibly not. to be safe i would test sending messages to different accounts like yahoo, gmail, etc. to see if they all accept it |
| 03:30.46 | alaya | hans_: and of course tail the mail log file while sending to watch the SMTP communication with the servers |
| 03:31.07 | hans_ | ;) |
| 03:31.18 | hans_ | ya, good point, i'll do that |
| 03:31.45 | alaya | hans_: always do that because alot of mail servers just drop stuff they think is invalid. they will not even reject or send a response. |
| 03:33.36 | hans_ | yeah, i know what you mean |
| 03:33.37 | DawnLight | out with bitches. bbs |
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| 03:35.41 | hans_ | alaya, you're awesome, btw... i'm just going to pop out for a sec, but i just wanted to say thanks for all your help :) |
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| 03:42.33 | karsten | What's required to play standard zone-restricted DVDs on Debian? Marillat sources, I know, I'm trying Xine. |
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| 03:43.07 | karsten | Just installed libdvdcss2 BTW. |
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| 03:45.48 | karsten | Sorted. vlc delivers. |
| 03:46.08 | DawnLight | !dvd |
| 03:46.09 | dpkg | dvd is, like, use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. see <dvd playback troubleshooting> |
| 03:46.37 | DawnLight | karsten: isn't dpkg helpful? :) |
| 03:47.16 | hans_ | k, back |
| 03:48.39 | hans_ | anyone had a go played with Red5 ? |
| 03:48.42 | DawnLight | sam55: i've been having problems with ps2pdf exporting from latex. the page settings weren't set. i didn't solve that :/ |
| 03:48.56 | DawnLight | !red5 |
| 03:49.08 | DawnLight | what is that? |
| 03:49.25 | sam55 | DawnLight: from latex using ps2pdf? Well, the best way, as far as I know, is to use the paper size option in dvips command. That sorts everything out. |
| 03:49.27 | hans_ | ya, the open source flash server, video streaming and such |
| 03:49.45 | hans_ | http://osflash.org/red5 |
| 03:50.02 | hans_ | alternative to adobe's flash comm server |
| 03:50.18 | hans_ | was just wondering if anyone had tried it and found it to be stable :) |
| 03:50.27 | DawnLight | how about an OS flash player, god! |
| 03:50.38 | DawnLight | !info red5 |
| 03:50.42 | sam55 | DawnLight: try this with your latex document's dvi file: dvips -Ppdf -G0 -t letter foo.dvi -o foo.ps. ps2pdf will work properly then. |
| 03:50.49 | hans_ | do you mean, gnash? |
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| 03:51.38 | DawnLight | whatever does it, i guess |
| 03:51.53 | DawnLight | debian doesn't seem to have red5 |
| 03:52.55 | hans_ | no, but if you visit the site, i think its got ubuntu (works for debian as well?) debs |
| 03:53.22 | DawnLight | i don't think i'd install ubuntu packages in my debian |
| 03:53.52 | hans_ | hehe |
| 03:54.28 | hans_ | i installed it on my mint dev machine, but havent had a chance to try it out |
| 03:56.17 | Supaplex | ~lart watered down eggnog |
| 03:56.17 | apt | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in watered down eggnog's direction, hitting watered down eggnog and sending watered down eggnog flying into the closet |
| 03:56.34 | Supaplex | oh nice. thanks for the mess! |
| 03:56.37 | hans_ | wurt... |
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| 03:57.16 | Supaplex | !based on debian |
| 03:57.16 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 03:59.36 | oDesk | here is my /etc/apache2/sites-available/default http://pastie.caboo.se/109106 i wants to add domain/subdomain to the VirtualHost beside the rails app i've howto? i'm on Etch |
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| 04:00.54 | alaya | karsten: check out the brothers |
| 04:01.58 | Wyzard | http://packages.debian.org/etch/sdate -- this has to be the most useless Debian package ever |
| 04:02.15 | alaya | karsten: rpc1 flash time :-) |
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| 04:02.36 | hans_ | wyzard: :P |
| 04:05.14 | n3kl__ | Anyone know of an integration between apcupsd and powersaved? |
| 04:05.15 | hans_ | does chrootkit actively prevent, or does it merely detect? |
| 04:05.35 | n3kl__ | hans_: detect |
| 04:05.58 | hans_ | ah, k |
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| 04:06.33 | hans_ | well, tis always useful to have installed |
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| 04:07.32 | n3kl__ | hans_: chkrootkit, tiger, rkhunter, samhain, aide... if you want to get into it. |
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| 04:08.14 | hans_ | ya, definately :) thanks for that |
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| 04:08.42 | n3kl__ | hans_: oh, also nmap and nessus for network tools |
| 04:08.54 | n3kl__ | the prior tools are host based ids only |
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| 04:09.15 | hans_ | ya, i know about those ones, love em :) |
| 04:09.16 | n3kl__ | hans_: heard of snort? |
| 04:09.31 | n3kl__ | cool |
| 04:10.13 | hans_ | well, haven't much need for snort, as we have a dedicated firewall |
| 04:10.42 | n3kl__ | snort is a very robust and popular open source NIDS. |
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| 04:12.57 | hans_ | nice |
| 04:12.57 | hans_ | :D |
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| 04:15.12 | DawnLight | !snort |
| 04:15.13 | dpkg | it has been said that snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 04:15.20 | cilkay | Hello. I am trying to get DVD burning working in Etch but wodim tells me "Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)". How do I work around this? I've never been able to burn a CD or DVD with Etch but the same machine running Windows is able to burn. |
| 04:16.55 | DawnLight | !wodim |
| 04:16.55 | dpkg | well, wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 04:17.20 | DawnLight | cilkay: did you try other burning software? |
| 04:17.29 | cilkay | other than what? |
| 04:17.37 | cilkay | If you don't have wodim, you have nothing it seems. |
| 04:17.43 | DawnLight | then wodim? |
| 04:18.01 | DawnLight | i know i just use k3b and love it |
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| 04:18.25 | cilkay | k3b is just a gui front-end to wodim. If wodim doesn't work, neither will k3b. |
| 04:18.44 | DawnLight | ok. perhaps you're using it wrong? |
| 04:18.46 | darrh00 | growisofs is better. |
| 04:19.00 | cilkay | better in what way? |
| 04:19.06 | DawnLight | oh... and i think k3b is using growisofs |
| 04:19.10 | DawnLight | !growisofs |
| 04:19.11 | dpkg | http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/, or in dvd+rw-tools and can burn DVD's. See <wodim> for burning DVD's to. |
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| 04:19.28 | DawnLight | oh... |
| 04:19.45 | cilkay | no such package |
| 04:20.01 | DawnLight | dvd+rw-tools |
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| 04:20.41 | cilkay | no such package either |
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| 04:21.20 | runev | Using debian, i'm having problems loading the php mysql extension. Apache2 works just fine, so does the MySQL server from console, and PHP scripts work. When i got this error, i saw i had forgotten to install the package "php5-mysql", which i have no. Restarted the apache2 server, but it's still not working. Any ideas? Already tried #apache aswell |
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| 04:22.55 | hans_ | runev: well, the deb package is called php5-mysql |
| 04:23.11 | hans_ | runev: have you tried doing a apt-get update to refresh your packages? |
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| 04:23.32 | cilkay | no cdrtools, dvd+rw-tools, or growisofs packages. What are the packages I should install? |
| 04:23.40 | DawnLight | that is all you should need for it to work... |
| 04:23.45 | runev | hans_: yeah, php5-mysql is installed already |
| 04:23.56 | hans_ | runev: did you restart apache? |
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| 04:24.03 | cilkay | apparently, dvd+rw-tools - DVD+-RW/R tools |
| 04:24.10 | cilkay | Wonder why it's not found then. |
| 04:24.18 | DawnLight | cilkay: you could try k3b to see if it works |
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| 04:24.28 | runev | hans_: Several times |
| 04:24.33 | hans_ | runev: sorry, just noticed you saidf you had |
| 04:24.37 | unstable | I have hundreds of sqlite databases, I wanted to show trends with information in the databases. maybe graphs and such, what is good software to do this? |
| 04:24.39 | hans_ | runev: whats the error? |
| 04:24.54 | cilkay | DawnLight: I've tried already and as I said earlier, k3b depends on wodim or some other application. It's just a front-end. |
| 04:24.55 | unstable | I can convert the databases to ASCII with space delimiter easy, sqlite has an option for this |
| 04:25.01 | Supaplex | unstable: a computer! |
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| 04:25.26 | unstable | Supaplex: What software on a computer? |
| 04:25.39 | DawnLight | cilkay: so k3b fails? k3b never failed me... |
| 04:25.44 | Supaplex | something that runs in linux |
| 04:25.46 | runev | hans_: Trying to use phpmyadmin, which gives me "Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration." and a link to a FAQ. The FAQ only says to get php5-mysql though, which i have. /var/log/apache2/error.log says nothing about it either |
| 04:25.59 | cilkay | DawnLight: yes. |
| 04:27.02 | Supaplex | unstable: apt-cache search rrd |
| 04:27.06 | hans_ | runev: have you tried using phpinfo() to see if its been loaded? ( http://www.php.net/phpinfo ) |
| 04:27.39 | cilkay | unstable: I'd use something like Django <http://djangoproject.com> and point it at your SQLite dbs and then write Django views and templates. |
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| 04:30.56 | darrh00 | Django is python |
| 04:31.16 | runev | hans_: No, but i just tried. Seems like it's able to find alot of mysql information - libraries, ini files, version number, socket ++. |
| 04:31.26 | unstable | What software can I use just to view the sqlitedb with a gui? |
| 04:31.50 | hans_ | runev: thats odd, how are you calling mysql ? are you using mysqli or mysql ? |
| 04:32.04 | cilkay | unstable: might be able to use OpenOffice Base |
| 04:32.25 | cchance_ | k i got suposedly it to foward but when i go to my ip it still goes to the gateways webserver. anyone else get the same (the gateway lists files the server dont) http://4.254.158.240/ |
| 04:32.28 | runev | hans_: no idea, whatever phpmyadmin uses i guess ;) |
| 04:32.46 | hans_ | oh right, phpmyadmin, sorry, forgot |
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| 04:33.10 | hans_ | runev: could be tricky, but i think maybe you might need to look at your phpmyadmin configuration |
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| 04:35.17 | hans_ | runev: try this out -> http://ocaoimh.ie/2007/01/03/cannot-load-mysql-extension-please-check-your-php-configuration/ |
| 04:35.31 | NiLon | hmm |
| 04:35.43 | runev | hans_: ah, reading. thank you :D |
| 04:35.55 | Szeraax | anyone have a good answer to use when telling them to switch to linux? (Deb. specifically)? All they do is browse web, pay bills online and buy from ebay. |
| 04:36.05 | Szeraax | them= parents) |
| 04:36.06 | hans_ | runev: no worries, hope it works! |
| 04:36.35 | NiLon | Szeraax there's no such reason :P |
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| 04:36.48 | Szeraax | arg... but i want linux on home comp... |
| 04:37.09 | NiLon | but anyway, if they only use browser they won't even notice difference |
| 04:37.38 | Szeraax | yeah, that's what i've said, but they say, so why bother changing it if it makes no good change for us? |
| 04:37.43 | hans_ | Szeraax = i always say, since I'm running linux, if they convert to linux, i can give them technical support for free, but if they stay on windows, it'll cost them |
| 04:37.51 | cilkay | DawnLight: If you look at Settings>>Configure K3b, Programs, you will see all the programs that K3b uses. growisofs and wodim are two of them. The problem is that in the "Devices" section, K3b doesn't detect anything. There is nothing exotic about this DVD burner. It's just an LG 18x burner. |
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| 04:37.55 | Szeraax | well, i guess there is teh whole no virus theory... |
| 04:37.59 | hans_ | :P |
| 04:38.13 | NiLon | Szeraax you are young and you need to learn! :D |
| 04:38.17 | Szeraax | hans_: HAHAHA awesome |
| 04:38.35 | Szeraax | NiLon: notice theory |
| 04:38.42 | hans_ | ;) |
| 04:38.55 | cilkay | I have all those programs for burning installed. If I pop a DVD movie into my DVD burner/reader, KDE will detect it and I can browse it in Konqueror. |
| 04:39.07 | cilkay | It's only the burner part that isn't working. |
| 04:39.29 | cilkay | .. but it works in Windows so I know it's not a hardware issue. |
| 04:39.58 | cchance_ | any one know where the VHCP repository is |
| 04:39.58 | cilkay | I'm going to pop in a CD burner and see if that makes a difference. |
| 04:40.00 | Szeraax | cilkay: what method do you have setup for burning? |
| 04:40.18 | Szeraax | cilkay: DAO? others?? |
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| 04:41.17 | cilkay | Szeraax: Where would I check that? I doubt that has anything to do with it. If it can't detect the device, it can't even try to burn it with the wrong setup. |
| 04:41.33 | cilkay | Under "Devices", I have nothing. |
| 04:41.37 | Szeraax | oh, so you cant detect the device at all? |
| 04:41.42 | cilkay | correct |
| 04:42.00 | cilkay | I have a symlink from /dev/cdrw to /dev/hdc |
| 04:42.26 | cilkay | I can browse /dev/cdrw and see files on it if I pop in a DVD movie. |
| 04:42.30 | Szeraax | but you said "if i pop a dvd movie into dvd b\r ... I can browse to it in Konquerer" |
| 04:42.45 | simonrvn | s,\r,\n, |
| 04:42.48 | cilkay | yes, and I can do it in a shell too |
| 04:43.07 | Szeraax | cilkay: so you can browse to it, but it doesn't detect the device? |
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| 04:43.22 | cilkay | correct |
| 04:43.36 | Szeraax | so can you read data from it? |
| 04:43.40 | cilkay | yes |
| 04:44.00 | Szeraax | but when you try to burn, it says, cannot find device suitable for burning"? |
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| 04:44.39 | cilkay | When I open up K3b, in the Devices configuration section, I see no Readonly or Writer drives detected. |
| 04:44.51 | cilkay | And yes, it says that. |
| 04:44.53 | |DawnLight| | am i lagging horribly? |
| 04:45.02 | |DawnLight| | the client crashed :/ |
| 04:45.15 | cilkay | Kopete? |
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| 04:46.27 | simonrvn | how could we tell if you're lagging? |
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| 04:46.40 | Szeraax | right click name and chose ping |
| 04:48.07 | simonrvn | that would only indicate ping response based on the server |
| 04:48.12 | cilkay | I'm going to try a CD burner. Let's see if that's detected. |
| 04:48.14 | |DawnLight| | cilkay: perheps check your jumpers |
| 04:48.19 | cilkay | I'll be back shortly. |
| 04:48.21 | Szeraax | cilkay: k |
| 04:48.27 | cilkay | Thanks folks. |
| 04:48.48 | |DawnLight| | simonsrv: you can ping me |
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| 04:49.20 | cchance_ | Doing apt-get update i get this: http://pastebin.ca/743152 |
| 04:49.27 | cchance_ | whats ont happening |
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| 04:50.58 | hans_ | cchance_: erm, yeh, what the heck is going on there? |
| 04:51.01 | Szeraax | cchance_: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file at pastebin too? |
| 04:51.19 | cchance_ | yeah sure one sec |
| 04:51.30 | hans_ | maybe you are having problems connecting? |
| 04:51.41 | hans_ | to that particular source.. |
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| 04:51.47 | Szeraax | hans_: that's what it seems like, but it also might be the sources file... |
| 04:51.51 | cchance_ | http://pastebin.ca/743156 |
| 04:51.56 | Szeraax | ty |
| 04:51.56 | Max_- | If I want to have the wireless adapter intel w39 working, what do I need to do, I saw many packages with ipw3945 on it... I guess they're really not all needed?? |
| 04:51.56 | hans_ | ya, could be |
| 04:52.26 | |DawnLight| | !w39 |
| 04:52.33 | |DawnLight| | !ipw |
| 04:52.36 | |DawnLight| | !ipw39 |
| 04:52.41 | |DawnLight| | !ipw3945 |
| 04:52.41 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 04:54.21 | Szeraax | cchance_: what's that last line of your file? are you using sarge and upgrading to etch? |
| 04:54.29 | Max_- | |DawnLight|: thx |
| 04:54.32 | Max_- | trying this! |
| 04:54.54 | cchance_ | no im not upgrading at all im trying to install VHCP |
| 04:55.04 | Szeraax | cchance_: ah. |
| 04:55.48 | cchance_ | wait |
| 04:55.53 | cchance_ | they have an etch folder |
| 04:55.54 | Szeraax | cchance_: it is sarge though |
| 04:55.58 | Szeraax | yes they dp |
| 04:56.00 | Szeraax | do* |
| 04:56.13 | Szeraax | going to go try that out real quick, cchance_ ? |
| 04:56.21 | cchance_ | yeah |
| 04:56.24 | Szeraax | k |
| 04:56.38 | acidchild | doesn't debian look so damn sweet. |
| 04:56.40 | acidchild | http://www.blackcore.net/~ash/2007-10-20-005213_2560x1024_scrot.png |
| 04:56.41 | acidchild | :P |
| 04:57.06 | cchance_ | no its still doing it |
| 04:57.16 | cchance_ | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 04:57.16 | cchance_ | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 04:57.16 | cchance_ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 04:57.22 | Max_- | |DawnLight|: Do I need to modprobe anything or rebooting will be enough? |
| 04:57.42 | |DawnLight| | !reboot |
| 04:57.42 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 04:58.24 | Max_- | |DawnLight|: oh... so mm... I just reload the modules?! |
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| 04:58.27 | Sazpaimon | # uptime |
| 04:58.28 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.34 | Sazpaimon | do i win? |
| 04:59.03 | |DawnLight| | Max_-: i guess |
| 04:59.03 | Szeraax | # uptime |
| 04:59.05 | cchance_ | Operating System [ Windows 32s Build No. 6000 ] - Uptime [ 9 hours 50 minutes 39 seconds ] - IceChat 7.0 Build 20060924 - Download at www.icechat.net |
| 04:59.11 | Max_- | :S |
| 04:59.22 | cchance_ | yeah |
| 04:59.39 | Sazpaimon | I was referring to the load average |
| 04:59.47 | Szeraax | ah |
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| 04:59.59 | Szeraax | cchance_: that is really wierd... |
| 05:00.23 | cchance_ | why |
| 05:01.12 | |DawnLight| | Max_-: modprobe the module. on future reboots it should be loaded automagically |
| 05:01.19 | cchance_ | im on the west coast |
| 05:01.33 | cchance_ | last time i checked i was on the alabama line near the gulf |
| 05:01.42 | Szeraax | dang |
| 05:02.14 | Szeraax | well, that vhcp seems to be hosted from the west... |
| 05:02.19 | Max_- | Okay.. so the module name should be ipw3945, right? nothing more, nothing less? |
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| 05:02.25 | cchance_ | ok |
| 05:02.26 | Szeraax | (their clock says 10:02) |
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| 05:03.25 | Szeraax | and there's no firwall blocking your box i assume (or, not one that is blocking important ports) |
| 05:03.53 | cchance_ | their is its just really smart and can detect really quick but not on the box |
| 05:04.03 | cchance_ | but why is this all surprosing |
| 05:04.08 | cchance_ | surprising* |
| 05:05.54 | Szeraax | well, i'm not sure what the full proceedure for aptitude (and dpkg\apt-get, ...) but i think it all goes exclusively what connection type you choose. your case being port 80 from http. (someone correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 05:06.14 | Szeraax | so it really shouldan't matter at all... |
| 05:06.26 | cchance_ | what are you talking about |
| 05:06.29 | cchance_ | im lost here |
| 05:06.40 | Szeraax | i was confused when i began typing that |
| 05:06.51 | Szeraax | i sorted it out right after i pressed enter... |
| 05:07.38 | cchance_ | what are you talking about. My problem not being able to connect to the server with port 80? I fixed that IE hates me so i downloaded Netscape and got in |
| 05:07.54 | Sazpaimon | ok, how do i isntall mtop with apt-get, I tried and it tried to access mysql with the root user without a password, how do i give it the root mysql pass? |
| 05:08.19 | Szeraax | cchance_: it's a possibilty, but obviously you have internet right now... |
| 05:08.47 | cchance_ | dude im lost here What are you responding too |
| 05:08.50 | n3kl__ | I am trying to get suspend2disk working with powersaved. For some reason, when I execute the script, the machine goes in nearly low power and looks as though the power is about to turn off, but never does. Anyone know why? |
| 05:09.49 | Szeraax | cchance_: you. but your problem is really wierd... Can you go to web browser and go to http://security.debian.org ? (i am betting oyu can...) |
| 05:10.01 | |DawnLight| | n3kl__: perhaps that is what it is soppused to do? |
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| 05:10.03 | cchance_ | yes i can |
| 05:10.57 | Szeraax | cchance_: well, if you are only going for the vhcp, you can try commenting out the other 4 lines in your sources.list... |
| 05:11.47 | cchance_ | yeah itd work but i need the other repositories because VHCP needs those |
| 05:12.05 | Szeraax | have you tried different repositories? |
| 05:12.05 | n3kl__ | |DawnLight|: I was under the impression that the machine would loose total power. At least that is the way the same software is working on my laptop. Am I missinformed? |
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| 05:12.27 | |DawnLight| | n3kl__: more likely i am |
| 05:12.35 | Szeraax | cchance_: that might work to do a diff. repo |
| 05:12.39 | cchance_ | ive had these same repositores for 2 years now |
| 05:13.02 | cchance_ | where do i get them |
| 05:13.10 | Szeraax | but if you have some crazy something that spontaniously messed up and your key or something... |
| 05:13.37 | cchance_ | my key |
| 05:13.49 | cchance_ | how could it get changed |
| 05:14.07 | cchance_ | its getting something now i got it updating |
| 05:14.14 | cchance_ | some what |
| 05:15.10 | hans_ | well, i'm off now... |
| 05:15.39 | |DawnLight| | gl hans_ |
| 05:15.51 | cchance_ | no it didnt do it |
| 05:15.55 | hans_ | thanks a lot for all your help! |
| 05:16.05 | Szeraax | just change http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ to http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian on both lines and comment out the security |
| 05:16.17 | hans_ | take care jeremyk |
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| 05:17.04 | Szeraax | cchance_: also, if there aren't too many dependancies, you can download them all and install them then do the vhcd... |
| 05:17.51 | cchance_ | wo |
| 05:17.55 | Szeraax | works? |
| 05:18.10 | cchance_ | download them all not hapening |
| 05:18.10 | cchance_ | take too dang long |
| 05:18.16 | cchance_ | espscialy on me dialup |
| 05:18.21 | Szeraax | oh, ouch |
| 05:18.30 | cchance_ | its downloading now |
| 05:19.00 | Szeraax | is that farther than you were getting with your original sources.list file? |
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| 05:19.56 | cchance_ | idk yet its still getting the files |
| 05:20.05 | cchance_ | on get3 |
| 05:20.17 | Szeraax | any errors yet? |
| 05:20.30 | cchance_ | none |
| 05:20.31 | Szeraax | cool... |
| 05:20.55 | cchance_ | Get:3 http://mirrors.kernel.org etch/main Packages [5629kB] |
| 05:20.55 | cchance_ | 17% [3 Packages 926411/5629kB 16%] 1114B/s 1h10m22s |
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| 05:21.22 | Szeraax | cchance_: yeah, i hope you get broadband sometime... |
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| 05:21.52 | cchance_ | when they get it out here |
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| 05:22.58 | Szeraax | cchance_: yeah. I am one of those lucky SoBs with fiber. It's amazing... anyway, i need to get to bed, thanks to the rockclimbing i am doing tomorrow morning... |
| 05:23.21 | Szeraax | so i wish you the best of luck with your little project. |
| 05:23.50 | cchance_ | yeah, thanks! |
| 05:24.02 | Szeraax | checking one last thing, then outta here |
| 05:24.55 | jbm | eh, where should i put a few lines of bash that will run some ndiswrapper things at boot? |
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| 05:25.04 | cchance_ | fiber optics..... I CANT WAIT TILL THE GET THAT OUT HERE |
| 05:26.11 | Shadda | Hey, I'm trying to install Xorg...I installed all the packages, ran it, and it started fine. I noticed the resolution was too high (I'm running it in a VM) so I reconfigured it and selected a lower resolution |
| 05:26.13 | Shadda | now when I try to start it, I get, "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable" |
| 05:26.21 | Szeraax | ok, i was checking the depends debs for that and you probly have most of them for it, but its a pretty good size list to go through, so i wouldn't do the idea if finding out each unsatisfied depend and downloading it seperatly unless it is the only possible way... |
| 05:26.58 | cchance_ | synaptic |
| 05:27.52 | cchance_ | wow |
| 05:27.57 | Szeraax | Shadda: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for 'option load "DRI"' or somethign like that, or maybe at the end of file something akin to 'mode 0666 DRI...' i dunno though |
| 05:28.01 | cchance_ | im hiting 56kb a sec now |
| 05:28.06 | Szeraax | wow |
| 05:28.13 | Shadda | Szeraax yeah I looked for that. A grep of the entire directory turned up nothing |
| 05:28.28 | Szeraax | Shadda: what dir? |
| 05:28.33 | Szeraax | that xorg.conf file? |
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| 05:28.38 | Szeraax | or the dir it was in? |
| 05:28.39 | Shadda | /etc/X11/ |
| 05:28.44 | cchance_ | line burst i hope it would last longer though |
| 05:28.45 | Szeraax | go into the file |
| 05:28.57 | Shadda | I have. The only place 'dri' appears is in the word driver :) |
| 05:29.18 | Szeraax | Shadda: can you use pastebin and show the xorg.conf file? |
| 05:29.22 | Shadda | yeah, sec |
| 05:29.25 | Szeraax | k |
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| 05:30.11 | Shadda | http://pastebin.ca/743173 |
| 05:31.09 | Szeraax | hmmm |
| 05:31.33 | Szeraax | previously you had it at 1600x1200 or higher, yes? |
| 05:31.38 | Shadda | 1600x1200 yeah |
| 05:31.53 | Szeraax | what happens when you go down to 1024x768? |
| 05:32.00 | Shadda | sec |
| 05:32.35 | Shadda | hm, worked that time |
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| 05:32.58 | Szeraax | 1280 did? |
| 05:33.04 | Shadda | 1024x768 |
| 05:33.04 | Szeraax | or 1024? |
| 05:33.09 | Szeraax | try 1280 again... |
| 05:33.18 | Szeraax | i have a suspicion... |
| 05:33.35 | cchance_ | Anyone going to the Bogy Buoy Mullet Festival Tomarow? (Niceville Florida) |
| 05:33.35 | Shadda | crashed, DRI error |
| 05:34.37 | Szeraax | Shadda: I think it may be in your horizontal and vertical refreshrates... |
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| 05:35.08 | Shadda | How would I go about finding out what they should be? |
| 05:35.28 | Szeraax | Shadda: change your vert refresh to 31.5-150 rather than 50-160 |
| 05:35.35 | Szeraax | and give that a try |
| 05:35.36 | Shadda | k, sec |
| 05:35.38 | Obligatory | Codec question: how to tell which codec a given video file requires? |
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| 05:36.19 | Shadda | Szeraax same thing :] |
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| 05:36.28 | Shadda | DRI and such |
| 05:36.47 | Szeraax | dang |
| 05:37.03 | Szeraax | well, first, go ahead and change it back to 5-0-160 |
| 05:37.08 | Szeraax | 50-160* |
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| 05:37.57 | Szeraax | do you have widescreen? or lappy or something? Shadda ? |
| 05:38.03 | Shadda | widescreen lappy, yeah |
| 05:38.20 | Szeraax | ok, just noticed the 1280x800 rather than 1280x1024... |
| 05:38.49 | Szeraax | you could give 1280x768 a whirl... |
| 05:39.00 | Szeraax | probly would fail miserably though |
| 05:39.16 | Shadda | yeah same error |
| 05:39.17 | Szeraax | but might work... |
| 05:39.20 | Szeraax | hmmm |
| 05:41.18 | Szeraax | g2g |
| 05:41.19 | Szeraax | sry |
| 05:41.27 | Shadda | np, thanks for your help |
| 05:41.29 | Szeraax | try messing with horizontal refresh though |
| 05:42.04 | Shadda | haha that actually fixed it |
| 05:42.12 | Shadda | I changed the h refresh to 60-90 |
| 05:43.01 | cchance | W: GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 05:43.01 | cchance | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 05:43.06 | cchance | i get that still |
| 05:43.48 | Obligatory | Still fishing... how to tell which codec a video file requires? |
| 05:46.44 | |DawnLight| | my debian turns off fans at boot. probably because of a bug in the acpi chip. anyway, i'd like to execute "echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state" somewhere during boot. perhaps right after the acpid script. should i create an /etc/init.d script? |
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| 05:47.27 | Arafangion | |DawnLight|: Sure. |
| 05:47.27 | |DawnLight| | Obligatory: there is a package... in any case, i think mplayer is best |
| 05:47.53 | cchance | can you control fans with debain |
| 05:47.58 | nvz | hmm can't seem to figure out why these movies in xine-ui are sometimes playing at faster speeds |
| 05:48.08 | DawnLight | of course, cchance |
| 05:48.13 | Obligatory | DawnLight, what package? |
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| 05:48.17 | cchance | if thats the case how can i make debian tune the system fan to half speed |
| 05:48.35 | DawnLight | Obligatory: i don't recall... sorry |
| 05:48.50 | nvz | oh well not that big of a deal |
| 05:48.58 | DawnLight | cchance: perhaps lm-sensors can help you |
| 05:49.11 | Obligatory | DawnLight, utillity names, command names, anything? Do you have it installed? |
| 05:49.27 | cchance | its an old MB i dont think it has sensors |
| 05:50.01 | nvz | HAH! thers's one advantage to my shitty 14" old 640x480 LCD over the 19" Flat Panel.. |
| 05:50.04 | DawnLight | Obligatory: i really don't know... |
| 05:50.09 | nvz | I can swat a fly dead on this CRT |
| 05:50.30 | DawnLight | careful |
| 05:50.34 | cchance | lol |
| 05:50.36 | nvz | I'm gonna leave his ass there too so the other flies think twice about langing on my glow |
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| 05:50.58 | cchance | LMFAO |
| 05:51.18 | DawnLight | cchance: you'd be surprised what has sensors. but it will probably not be able to let OS set speeds |
| 05:52.01 | cchance | a 1995 Gigabyte motherboard might have sensors? |
| 05:52.19 | nvz | you can get fan controllers that will mount into a spare 5 1/4" bay complete with temp sensors and display and also fan control knobs/switches |
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| 05:52.30 | graytron | since i installed etch, apcupsd doesn't seem to do automatic self tests for my ups anymore. in sarge it worked |
| 05:52.31 | DawnLight | cchance: install lm-sensors and do sensors-detect |
| 05:52.41 | cchance | i know |
| 05:52.47 | cchance | ok |
| 05:52.55 | nvz | something tells me unless you really know what you are doing 3rd party thermal zone controllers are a bad thing |
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| 05:53.12 | DawnLight | what is there to know |
| 05:53.23 | nvz | there are good reasons why the health status of a system is monitored by the system that has the most to lose from it |
| 05:53.44 | nvz | if you got manual fan controls and your CPU is screaming its overheating, but the fan controller says all is well.. |
| 05:53.53 | cchance | : Package lm-sensors has no installation candidate |
| 05:54.23 | DawnLight | uhm... the bios should be able to shut it down |
| 05:55.02 | DawnLight | cchance: wha? |
| 05:55.40 | DawnLight | !info lm-sensors |
| 05:55.44 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:2.10.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 489 kB, Installed size: 1400 kB |
| 05:55.44 | cchance | oh |
| 05:56.09 | cchance | im updating my packages |
| 05:57.21 | nvz | I wonder.. how do insects with such small brains process visual imagry from so many more angles than us and such a faster rate.. |
| 05:57.28 | nvz | I mean granted its not as clear vision.. |
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| 05:57.55 | cchance | Night peeps. I got to get up tomarow at 6 CST |
| 05:58.03 | nvz | sometimes I wonder who is smarter here.. me or the fucking flies |
| 05:58.17 | DanDare | same here pal |
| 05:58.32 | nvz | they land right where they know you can't or wont get them |
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| 05:59.21 | nvz | I used to sit on the couch with a bag of rubber bands and give em a sporting chance.. now I don't have that kind of patience |
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| 06:01.08 | banya | hi! someone just said ubuntu can convert crt to touch screen monitor.. does that mean it will work on debian as well?? |
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| 06:01.48 | jonathan_ | how do i set a process to run when i login |
| 06:01.52 | DawnLight | banya: WTF |
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| 06:02.09 | banya | huh? |
| 06:02.19 | DawnLight | !wtf |
| 06:02.48 | DawnLight | banya: no way ubuntu does that |
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| 06:03.03 | logd | hi if power goes out and on boot it says N inodes orphaned deleted there a way to know what files they belong and so what files got lost or damaged ? |
| 06:03.07 | banya | i think they have a better development team then |
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| 06:03.50 | DawnLight | banya: you must be joking about this crt touch screen |
| 06:03.55 | yiga1 | if i used a multidrive to install my system but the computer that I installed it on when booted by itself does not detect the multidrive what can I do take make it? |
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| 06:04.04 | banya | why |
| 06:04.12 | ameyer | umm, there's no way a crt could be converted to a touchscreen in software |
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| 06:04.18 | DawnLight | banya: CRTs can't be touch screens |
| 06:04.22 | dto | hello. i have an Etch system that won't boot. i get something like "filesystem does not have /sbin/initrd" or something like that. and it drops me into busybox |
| 06:05.10 | DawnLight | that kind of invention would surely be unbelieveable and therefore dismissed and virtually ignored as horseshit |
| 06:05.25 | ameyer | DawnLight: I'm pretty sure they can, but it'd involve other hardware |
| 06:05.49 | DawnLight | yeah, i saw that other hardware |
| 06:06.03 | dto | or initramfs |
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| 06:07.14 | wwasher | from what i understand, the other hardware is some form of grid on top of the screen, say as infrared or a thin conductive film. no chance of doing it without such extra hardware |
| 06:07.46 | DawnLight | my debian turns off fans at boot. probably because of a bug in the acpi chip. anyway, i'd like to execute "echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state" somewhere during boot. perhaps right after the acpid script. i don't think this is suitable to be an init script because it can't have start/stop/restart and such becuase it only does a simple echo... |
| 06:08.20 | DawnLight | wwasher: unbelieveable things have been done before |
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| 06:08.56 | dto | anyone know how to help with "root filesystem does not have /sbin/init?" |
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| 06:09.26 | wwasher | anyone ideas on getting thttpd to process php scripts? i cannot find an appropriate -something- to install. |
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| 06:09.45 | venger | i'm still getting that serial ata shutdown warning and i can hear my disk spinning back up just before the PC goes off but I dont see this shutdown utility that i need to update available as a standalone package. is it in some other package? |
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| 06:10.23 | wwasher | DawnLight: used to have CRT-based touchscreens at the grocery, if you believe it, but they certainly werent modded ordinary hardware. |
| 06:10.25 | venger | i'm on 2.6.22.6, here's the notice i'm referring to: http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html |
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| 06:10.43 | wwasher | dto: no init? that's a suck. |
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| 06:11.09 | Gunner_Sr | I am having problems with i8k on my dell in that I cannot control one of the fans. It is showing -22 and the rpm is at 922, the other fan is working fine, any ideas? |
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| 06:11.44 | GuHhH | is this wrong: iptables -A -t nat PREROUTING -p tcp -s 192.168.1.0/24 --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 ??? |
| 06:11.53 | banya | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+crt+touch+screen&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 06:13.02 | DawnLight | banya: are you ok? |
| 06:13.03 | logd | hi if power goes out and on boot it says N inodes orphaned deleted there a way to know what files they belong and so what files got lost or damaged ? |
| 06:13.38 | wwasher | logd: i'm not much help, but wouldn't they have been sent to lost+found? |
| 06:15.37 | ameyer | an orphaned inode by definition doesn't belong to a file... |
| 06:15.57 | logd | but belongd |
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| 06:19.22 | venger | this answered my shutdown concerns: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disk-might-not-be-spun-down-properly.-update-shutdown-utility-583307/ |
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| 06:37.55 | klys | ciao |
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| 06:40.55 | Darkside | lets see if debian crashes on boot this time |
| 06:40.57 | Darkside | yup |
| 06:41.21 | Darkside | ok, say debain crashes during the boot process (page fault or whatnot) |
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| 06:41.36 | Darkside | where are the logs of the boot process? so i can have a look at whats gone wrong |
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| 06:42.37 | wols | Darkside: which part of the boot process? |
| 06:43.07 | Darkside | uhmm |
| 06:43.08 | Darkside | :P |
| 06:43.13 | Darkside | im not really sure, it all goes too fast |
| 06:43.22 | Darkside | hang on, im gonna take out the video card and get into debian |
| 06:44.04 | Kr0ddn | moin |
| 06:44.37 | Darkside | for reference, the card is a GeForce FX 5200, and it works perfectly in windows |
| 06:44.42 | Darkside | so i know the card isn't dead |
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| 06:45.05 | wols | is it X where it crashes or console? |
| 06:45.10 | Darkside | console |
| 06:45.20 | Darkside | im gonna get back into debian and have a look at dmesg |
| 06:45.22 | wols | dependin where it crashes, there is no log |
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| 06:45.27 | Darkside | cripes |
| 06:45.33 | Darkside | all teh errors go too fast |
| 06:45.34 | rob | pancakes |
| 06:45.44 | Darkside | like, a massive long string of erroes goes bye |
| 06:45.46 | Darkside | by* |
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| 06:47.18 | Darkside | also, i still get the error if i go into single user mode |
| 06:47.44 | Darkside | and i havent found a way to disable the motherboards internal vga via jumper |
| 06:48.28 | wireddd | hey turkish is onjoin spamming |
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| 06:50.12 | Darkside | so, is there any other way i can diagnose the problem? |
| 06:50.27 | Darkside | i would *Really* like to use this graphics card - the onboard graphics are crap |
| 06:50.49 | wireddd | which card? |
| 06:50.58 | Darkside | its a Geforce FX5200 |
| 06:51.00 | Darkside | AGP |
| 06:51.11 | wireddd | yeah that should work fine, it is what I have |
| 06:51.15 | gpm | nvidia driver? |
| 06:51.25 | Darkside | need to install it before i plug in the card? =/ |
| 06:51.32 | gpm | you can use nv |
| 06:51.33 | Darkside | shouldnt standard vesa modes work anyway? |
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| 06:51.38 | gpm | and install it later |
| 06:51.42 | gpm | use nv |
| 06:51.47 | Darkside | ? |
| 06:51.53 | wireddd | use nv and install the nvidia driver later |
| 06:52.01 | Darkside | what is nv... |
| 06:52.10 | Darkside | <--- linux n00b |
| 06:52.11 | wireddd | it is a driver for X |
| 06:52.22 | wireddd | ok so what happens when you plug it in? |
| 06:52.30 | Darkside | debian crashes on boot |
| 06:52.33 | gpm | it clicks |
| 06:52.37 | Darkside | i havent been able to tell where, it all goes too fast |
| 06:52.46 | wireddd | does it give you a console login? |
| 06:52.49 | Darkside | the one time where a fast system boot is a downfall |
| 06:52.50 | Darkside | nope |
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| 06:52.59 | gpm | what's the last message you see? |
| 06:53.12 | Darkside | what i get is a long stream of hex codes, with descriptions next to them |
| 06:53.16 | Darkside | scrolling up the screen |
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| 06:53.29 | Darkside | it just keeps on going and going and going |
| 06:53.54 | gpm | shit, but it boots fine without the card? |
| 06:54.04 | Darkside | yeah, it uses the motherboards onboard graphics |
| 06:54.10 | gpm | huh |
| 06:54.16 | Darkside | when i disable that, it still crashes |
| 06:54.24 | Darkside | like, disable the onbaord gfx in the bios |
| 06:54.29 | gpm | sounds like hardware not playing nice |
| 06:54.41 | Darkside | the hardware is fine tho =/ |
| 06:54.51 | Darkside | ive been using it in windows XP perfectly =/ |
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| 06:55.23 | gpm | huh |
| 06:55.31 | wwasher | Darkside : winxp is black magic.... ;) |
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| 06:55.38 | Darkside | :P |
| 06:56.21 | zophy{} | is debian a modern distro ? |
| 06:56.30 | wireddd | pci or agp or what? |
| 06:56.35 | Darkside | agp |
| 06:56.47 | Darkside | 256mb of onboard memory, i believe |
| 06:57.03 | Darkside | it doesnt say on teh card :P |
| 06:57.16 | zophy{} | i can hack ypu universe in 1 KB |
| 06:57.18 | wireddd | is the bios set to init agp first? |
| 06:57.23 | Darkside | hmm |
| 06:57.27 | Darkside | well |
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| 06:57.43 | Darkside | when the onboard is disabled, all the boot stuff displayes through the agp card |
| 06:57.54 | wwasher | where do i find the source for the thttpd package? |
| 06:57.56 | Darkside | like, the onboard card doesnt show anything |
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| 06:58.09 | wwasher | i should give up on thttpd and swap it out for apache... *sigh* |
| 06:58.25 | zophy{} | use lighttpd |
| 06:58.26 | wireddd | what kind of pc is this? |
| 06:58.29 | dimir | Moin |
| 06:58.31 | zophy{} | use lighttpd |
| 06:58.37 | wireddd | or motherboard or whatever |
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| 06:59.16 | topooceannes | I'm having trouble with me video card! It won't lemme get into x server and whenever I try and run GDM it tells me that it's likely that it's not set up correctly.. I have the nvidia legacy drivers which took me forever to get working on here, and now it's just not working at all. Anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 06:59.31 | wwasher | zophy{} : php support? |
| 06:59.34 | zophy{} | wwasher, try lighttpd, thttpd is old |
| 06:59.40 | wwasher | apt does not say... |
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| 07:00.02 | zophy{} | wwasher, oh yes, it has excelleny php support |
| 07:00.37 | Darkside | hmm |
| 07:00.41 | Darkside | i have an idea why it might not work |
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| 07:00.57 | Darkside | the card is 64mb, yet i think teh agp (something) is set to 256mb |
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| 07:01.39 | topooceannes | Anyone know how to help me out here? I'm sure it has something to do with the darn xorg.conf file, but I don't know where the error would be |
| 07:02.16 | wwasher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:03.14 | Darkside | agp apeture size - would that be causing problems? |
| 07:03.29 | sandwitch | topooceannes: grep for EE in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:03.40 | Darkside | tests* |
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| 07:03.56 | Darkside | lets see if it dues this time... |
| 07:04.02 | Darkside | ooooo heay |
| 07:04.06 | Darkside | its still dying |
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| 07:05.21 | topooceannes | says something about an MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
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| 07:07.56 | sandwitch | got no idea about MIT-SCREEN-SAVER is that the only err? |
| 07:08.18 | topooceannes | yeah, that's the only one that comes up |
| 07:08.18 | Darkside | ok, i'm in teh grub console |
| 07:08.23 | Darkside | hos would i get to the logs? |
| 07:08.26 | Darkside | how* |
| 07:08.28 | Darkside | is is possible? |
| 07:08.33 | topooceannes | (II) Loading extention MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 07:08.40 | topooceannes | eer |
| 07:08.43 | topooceannes | extension |
| 07:08.43 | topooceannes | lol |
| 07:09.18 | sandwitch | that is info |
| 07:09.26 | sandwitch | that is no error |
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| 07:09.35 | topooceannes | that's what comes up when I grep it for EE... |
| 07:10.04 | sandwitch | then x starts correct |
| 07:10.11 | sandwitch | gdm installed ? |
| 07:10.16 | topooceannes | yeah, it's installed |
| 07:10.20 | topooceannes | it was working earlier |
| 07:10.34 | topooceannes | I turned my computer off cos I wasn't going to be on it for a day or two |
| 07:10.41 | topooceannes | and now it won't start up X |
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| 07:11.11 | sandwitch | maybe a lockfile |
| 07:11.31 | sandwitch | check /var/log/gdm/* |
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| 07:11.43 | Darkside | ooh |
| 07:11.47 | Darkside | i think its a seg fault |
| 07:12.05 | sandwitch | gotta make breakfast for mu kid bbl |
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| 07:13.04 | topooceannes | nothing in any of those |
| 07:13.16 | Darkside | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/asrock-775i65gv-integrated-vga-conflicts-with-sparkle-geforce-fx-5200-326658/ |
| 07:13.23 | Darkside | looks to be a similar problem to that |
| 07:13.29 | Darkside | with the internal vga conflicting |
| 07:13.47 | Darkside | im gonna try and find the motherboards info, to see if i can jumper the internal vga out of existence |
| 07:13.58 | Tallu | Tried bios? |
| 07:14.07 | yiga1 | i'm late to your problem but have you done a safe-upgrade or dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:14.25 | Darkside | Tallu yes |
| 07:14.29 | Darkside | its disabled in thte bios |
| 07:14.36 | Tallu | ah, okay |
| 07:14.36 | Darkside | doesnt make any difference |
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| 07:15.28 | topooceannes | I coppied over one of the backups of xorg.conf and it's working now, but I believe that got rid of the NVidia drivers... |
| 07:15.52 | yiga1 | topooceannes: not a big deal |
| 07:16.03 | yiga1 | 4 minutes tops |
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| 07:18.50 | gpm | i'm pretty sure it's something you have to switch with hardware/bios |
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| 07:19.47 | Darkside | yeah |
| 07:19.52 | Darkside | im trying to find the switch |
| 07:22.29 | Darkside | frackign hell, the motherboard doesnt have any identifiers on it |
| 07:22.40 | Darkside | i got it from a mate, and he doesnt know either =/ |
| 07:22.48 | gpm | battlestar galactica ftw |
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| 07:23.32 | Darkside | oh is that where it comes from :P |
| 07:23.39 | wireddd | can you put the agp card in and not use it and boot? |
| 07:23.50 | Darkside | wireddd i cant disabled the agp card |
| 07:24.00 | Darkside | if its plugged in, the bios prefers it over the internal vga |
| 07:24.18 | wireddd | tell the bios to init pci first |
| 07:24.31 | Darkside | i cant choose that |
| 07:24.35 | wireddd | why? |
| 07:24.37 | Darkside | hang on |
| 07:24.50 | Darkside | i can disable and enable the internal vga in bios |
| 07:24.53 | Darkside | let me check something |
| 07:24.58 | wireddd | no, there is another option |
| 07:25.29 | Darkside | oh found it |
| 07:25.36 | Darkside | pci slot is first |
| 07:25.44 | wwasher | crap. synaptic is trying to remove thttpd and it reports that it cannot as it fails with error. where do i find the error log for it? /var/log/messages is blank. |
| 07:25.51 | wireddd | change it to agp and disable the internal |
| 07:26.18 | wireddd | and try it, then change it to agp and leave the internal card enabled and see if that works |
| 07:26.20 | DawnLight | Darkside: download the user manual from the manufacturer's site to see if you can jumper it dead. but i guess it won't have such a jumper |
| 07:26.32 | wireddd | no it won't |
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| 07:26.48 | Darkside | hm |
| 07:27.23 | Darkside | gonna try with onboard enabled first |
| 07:27.30 | Darkside | just to see if it does the same thing |
| 07:27.44 | Darkside | ooh |
| 07:27.57 | Darkside | this time the seg fault doesnt keep going and going |
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| 07:28.32 | fiddles | hey after i compile a kernel and i want it to be booted |
| 07:28.34 | Darkside | but, i still cant see when it occurs very well |
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| 07:28.49 | fiddles | but im on ppc |
| 07:29.11 | fiddles | how would i do it since i cant seem to find a ppc bootloader |
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| 07:30.48 | Darkside | im just gonna play with different bios options and see what happens |
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| 07:31.51 | wireddd | Darkside: play around with the plug and play os option too |
| 07:32.00 | wireddd | also try a newer kernel |
| 07:32.00 | Darkside | ? |
| 07:32.07 | Darkside | im using 2.6.22 |
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| 07:35.30 | Darkside | hmm |
| 07:35.31 | Darkside | interesting |
| 07:35.39 | yiga1 | if I want to change the partitions of an lvm - I'm not sure I have phrased this correctly - how do I go about it. I downloaded a live cd to repartition the hd but I couldn't because the disk partioner sees only the entire lvm files not the individual partitions? |
| 07:35.45 | Darkside | when i have the internal set to on, it detects both the internal and the agp card |
| 07:36.06 | Darkside | but... it gets to nvidiafb: MRRT set to ON and hangs |
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| 07:39.15 | yiga1 | ah, I guess my problem is due to gparted not being able to handle lvm |
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| 07:41.11 | Shadda | ok, I must be missing something. I setup VNC on my debian box. I was running openbox when I set it up, then I switched to gnome. I connect now, but I still get openbox. I've stopped X. I've completely removed openbox. I've uninstalled/purged and reinstalled the vncserver. I've even *rebooted*. and yet I still get openbox |
| 07:41.14 | Shadda | what the hell is going on? :) |
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| 07:42.24 | Darkside | ok.. ive done some more fiddling. I'm still getting an error, but ive got a screen fill of interesting lookign error codes now |
| 07:42.56 | Darkside | something about udevd dying, and giving a stack, a call trace and a 'code' |
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| 07:45.53 | Ace2016 | !xgl |
| 07:45.53 | dpkg | methinks xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported |
| 07:46.35 | Orion_X11 | I have some problems with yelp. It does not show the contents and complains about stylesheet |
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| 07:47.30 | Orion_X11 | I already asked in #gnome, but it seems that everyone there is mute |
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| 07:51.02 | wols | fiddles: did you use kernel-package? |
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| 07:52.11 | Orion_X11 | Could someone help me with the yelp issue? :-) |
| 07:52.30 | DawnLight | !yelp |
| 07:52.50 | wols | Orion_X11: purge it and reinstall it |
| 07:52.51 | wols | ? |
| 07:53.15 | DawnLight | what is yelp |
| 07:53.27 | Ace2016 | help browser for gnome |
| 07:53.50 | Orion_X11 | wols: I already did it 2 times, but didn't solve the issue |
| 07:54.00 | DawnLight | hmm... what is the issue? |
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| 07:54.13 | wols | Orion_X11: which file is the CSS exactly and what package owns that CSS? |
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| 07:56.47 | fiddles | hey is it possible to install from a cd and choose the modules i want to install? |
| 07:57.07 | Ace2016 | kernel modules? |
| 07:57.11 | valdyn | fiddles: what's 'modules' ? |
| 07:57.19 | fiddles | yea kernel modules |
| 07:57.20 | Orion_X11 | wols: It says that need gnome-doc-utils, but it is installed yet. Have a look, if you can, in synaptic. Search yelp and gnome-doc-utils |
| 07:57.29 | valdyn | fiddles: no, unpossible, that's silly |
| 07:57.44 | valdyn | fiddles: outside of embeddedstuff anyway |
| 07:57.51 | yang | I have this error when kernel boots "Waiting for root file system" http://paste.debian.net/40207, I forgot what to add in the initrd-tools to have a bootable kernel? |
| 07:57.52 | fiddles | bummer |
| 07:57.55 | SpeedyG | Hi, is it possible to use putty to forward samba shares over ssh? (and if-so, how/anyone got a good link?) :) |
| 07:58.13 | fiddles | can i remove modules after i install? |
| 07:58.14 | wols | yang: how did you create the kernel? |
| 07:58.21 | yang | wols: default debian kernel |
| 07:58.32 | valdyn | !wayttd fiddles |
| 07:58.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fiddles? |
| 07:58.35 | wols | yang: then how did you install it? |
| 07:58.43 | yang | wols: with aptitude |
| 07:58.47 | zoredache | SpeedyG: not easily |
| 07:58.51 | wols | fiddles: did you use kernel-package when creating your kernel? |
| 07:58.53 | fiddles | install kernel |
| 07:58.58 | fiddles | naw |
| 07:58.58 | SpeedyG | zoredache: hm:( |
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| 07:59.06 | fiddles | i have the debian ethc ppc disk 1 |
| 07:59.32 | zoredache | ssh/putty is good for tunneling simple single connection protocols... smb opens half a dozen different ports, and several random client ports |
| 07:59.34 | Ace2016 | well you can always rmmod the modules and blacklist them if you do not need them |
| 07:59.37 | SpeedyG | I want to access my files on my linuxbox on this remote box, but all I have is ssh/ftp, but I'd want a direct connection such as samba, so I could (for example) play audio |
| 07:59.43 | wols | 09:28 < fiddles> hey after i compile a kernel and i want it to be booted 09:28 < fiddles> but im on ppc |
| 07:59.49 | SpeedyG | how could I do such? :) |
| 07:59.55 | yang | wols: however its a sparc kernel...I had some lines in yaird config before, now it refused to create image with yiard so i replaced it with initr tools |
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| 08:00.01 | valdyn | fiddles: its trivial to remove modules, but it's also silly, what are you trying to achieve with this? |
| 08:00.04 | zoredache | your remote box is running what os? |
| 08:00.09 | zoredache | are they both linux? |
| 08:00.16 | SpeedyG | nope, remote = winXP |
| 08:00.27 | fiddles | i just want to remove some modules that come with the kernel |
| 08:00.32 | SpeedyG | both boxes are behind a nat-box |
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| 08:00.50 | wols | yang: usually initramfs-tools is used |
| 08:00.57 | SpeedyG | server behind a (nix router with nat, this remote box behind a dsl-modem/router AND a second router :( ) |
| 08:01.03 | fiddles | i tired to build a new kernel w/o them |
| 08:01.03 | yang | wols: yes, sorry i got that |
| 08:01.10 | fiddles | but i messed it up with yaboot |
| 08:01.15 | valdyn | fiddles: what's the point? |
| 08:01.16 | fiddles | and i cant boot ethier anymore |
| 08:01.22 | fiddles | just wanna |
| 08:01.27 | fiddles | some modules i dont want |
| 08:01.31 | valdyn | fiddles: so use 'rm' ( man rm ) |
| 08:01.39 | valdyn | fiddles: though i know there's the right way too |
| 08:01.48 | fiddles | rm dosent unload them from the kernel |
| 08:01.54 | wols | !tell fiddles about blacklist |
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| 08:02.07 | wols | fiddles: are they actually modules or are they compiled in? |
| 08:02.13 | wols | and if rmmod doesn't work, it means they are in use |
| 08:02.21 | Darkside | HRM |
| 08:02.27 | Darkside | sry caps |
| 08:02.27 | yang | wols: /dev/sda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! I think default kernel is looking for /dev/sda2 |
| 08:02.31 | SpeedyG | zoredache: so if you have any sollution i'd be extremely happy :) |
| 08:02.45 | DawnLight | fiddles: remove? if you installed a package that contains the modules, you can purge it with aptitude |
| 08:02.45 | wols | yang: awesome power of deduction |
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| 08:03.10 | wols | SpeedyG: use a VPN |
| 08:03.26 | zoredache | SpeedyG: I am trying to think of the easiest way... You said you had ftp working on your linux host? You could add your ftp server as a 'network place' |
| 08:03.36 | fiddles | they are compiled |
| 08:03.41 | fiddles | specifically the net drivers |
| 08:03.49 | robboplus | can you limit max mem usage per user? |
| 08:03.49 | wols | fiddles: then you need to make a custom kernel. no other way |
| 08:03.50 | fiddles | i dont want to install the kernel with net drivers |
| 08:03.56 | fiddles | yah i know |
| 08:04.20 | fiddles | ive tried |
| 08:04.28 | fiddles | i built a .deb |
| 08:04.35 | wols | !enter |
| 08:04.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 08:04.49 | zoredache | SpeedyG: but yeah, a vpn would work too... perhaps openvpn |
| 08:04.50 | wols | what was your make-kpkg line? |
| 08:04.51 | Darkside | hmm, EIP is at kmap_atomic_prot+0x34/0xb7 |
| 08:05.07 | robboplus | so is it possible to limit memory usage for a particular user? so it won't suck up all the resources? |
| 08:05.17 | wols | !Uklimit |
| 08:05.18 | fiddles | hmm? |
| 08:05.19 | wols | !Ulimit |
| 08:05.33 | wols | fiddles: what was your make-kpkg line? |
| 08:05.56 | robboplus | wols uklimit would rock lol |
| 08:06.09 | fiddles | ake-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 08:06.12 | robboplus | for all the good folks out there on the island lol |
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| 08:06.28 | xingu | robboplus: pam_limits, /etc/security/limits.conf, |
| 08:06.35 | Darkside | would there be any way to disable the intel internal vga card on boot? |
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| 08:06.53 | robboplus | xingu thank you very much - and do i play with ulimit as well for what i need? |
| 08:06.56 | wols | Darkside: bios and blacklist |
| 08:07.03 | wols | robboplus: man bash |
| 08:07.03 | Darkside | biod doesnt work |
| 08:07.06 | Darkside | bios |
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| 08:07.11 | Darkside | as i've noted |
| 08:07.41 | xingu | robboplus: it's how you'd force ulimit settings at session create time |
| 08:07.45 | Darkside | i've looked for things on the motherboard to disable it in hardware, and have found nothing |
| 08:08.07 | xingu | robboplus: a bit less racey than .bashrc:ulimit ;) |
| 08:08.13 | wols | Darkside: note the little word "and" |
| 08:08.23 | Darkside | blacklist |
| 08:08.24 | Darkside | how |
| 08:08.24 | Darkside | :) |
| 08:08.28 | wols | !enter |
| 08:08.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 08:08.41 | robboplus | xingu oh i read you - that sounds just great |
| 08:08.57 | yang | wols: do you know if silo.conf can be edited from the boot: string ? |
| 08:08.58 | robboplus | i'm surprised to see how many limits one can set to narrow down a luser lol |
| 08:09.04 | Darkside | blacklist - please tell me how :) |
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| 08:09.15 | wols | yang: not really, but unlikely it being sort of like lilo I guess |
| 08:09.29 | wols | Darkside: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 08:09.29 | xingu | robboplus: also see cpulimit to solve a tangentially related issue |
| 08:09.46 | robboplus | xingu oh yes, that was going to be my next question today but it's all there it seems he he |
| 08:10.08 | robboplus | xingu btw.. i don't yet understand memlock vs as... |
| 08:10.37 | Darkside | hmm heres the problem wols: if i blacklist the internal gfx card, and the nvidia one still doesnt work, isnt it just not going to work at all? |
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| 08:11.13 | wols | Darkside: no. framebuffer = "video card" |
| 08:11.19 | wols | erm, != |
| 08:12.09 | Darkside | okies, good to know :) |
| 08:12.17 | wols | Darkside: your problem aren't the cards, it's the fb driver for each |
| 08:12.25 | Darkside | okay |
| 08:12.32 | wols | cause for 80x25 VGA, no framebuffer is needed |
| 08:12.35 | Darkside | will boot without the card in so i can access that file |
| 08:12.40 | wols | or rather, no driver |
| 08:12.59 | Ace2016 | !patch |
| 08:13.00 | dpkg | patch is probably just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
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| 08:14.46 | Ace2016 | hi all i have a diff.gz |
| 08:15.02 | Ace2016 | i ran zcat ../x11proto-render_0.9.2-4.diff.gz | patch -p1 |
| 08:15.17 | Ace2016 | it says: gzip: ../x11proto-render_0.9.2-4.diff.gz: not in gzip format |
| 08:15.29 | wols | Ace2016: file ../x11proto-render_0.9.2-4.diff.gz |
| 08:15.38 | DawnLight | i don't get it... i've hacked my /etc/init.d/acpid to do a "echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state" becuase the fan stops at the load of the acpi modules by that script. but my hack doesn't turn the fan on at boot. /etc/init.d/acpid restart does turn the fan on... i even gave it 2 seconds sleep. so i'm thinking perhaps doing an echo to /proc/acpi/... requires a later service started by a later script? |
| 08:15.49 | Ace2016 | ../x11proto-render_0.9.2-4.diff.gz: UTF-8 Unicode English text |
| 08:15.58 | Ace2016 | wrong entension? |
| 08:16.06 | Ace2016 | should that be just .diff? |
| 08:16.19 | yang | wols: this is the silo.conf file http://paste.debian.net/40208 |
| 08:16.59 | wols | Ace2016: extension and actual filetype don't have any correlation except chance. that it's UTF8 might be dicey tho |
| 08:16.59 | yang | wols: I would like to somehow enter the root=/dev/sda2 into kernel |
| 08:17.14 | wols | yang: then do it |
| 08:17.29 | DawnLight | wols: you must know |
| 08:17.29 | DawnLight | damn why now i have lag! |
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| 08:18.12 | wols | Darkside: are the acpi modules loaded when /etc/init.d/acpid runs? |
| 08:18.21 | DawnLight | i'm still having some lag |
| 08:18.23 | Darkside | hang on |
| 08:18.24 | wols | DawnLight: btw, you should not edit init.d files, use rc.local |
| 08:18.25 | Darkside | im blacklisting intelfb |
| 08:18.27 | xingu | robboplus: if this is what I suspect it is (regulating a multiuser setup) you probably also want something like http://ports.openbsd.nu/sysutils/idled |
| 08:18.33 | yang | wols: somewhere in the config file of initramfs-tools? |
| 08:18.39 | wols | Darkside: in your initrd too |
| 08:18.47 | wols | Darkside: the acpi thing wasn't for you, sorry |
| 08:18.52 | xingu | robboplus: nb, the author is no longer distributing it, and please read the license (non-dfsg) |
| 08:18.53 | wols | yang: no |
| 08:18.57 | DawnLight | yes, wols. the acpid script loads them |
| 08:19.13 | Ace2016 | yup it was just a diff file, ubuntu just changed the .diff to .diff.gz and put it in their repo, wonder why |
| 08:19.16 | wols | yang: read the silo manpage/docs. in lilo it's an append= line, dunno about silo. you want a kernel parameter |
| 08:19.52 | Ace2016 | *debian, i mean the debian repo changed .diff to .diff.gz |
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| 08:20.21 | wols | Ace2016: if anything your browser did |
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| 08:20.30 | CoCaInE | Guys i got problem about netinstall etch with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:20.34 | Ace2016 | browser did what? |
| 08:20.43 | Ace2016 | un gzip it? |
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| 08:21.48 | Ace2016 | how about netinstall lenny? its got a newer kernel that managed to detect both my hard disks instead of just the first one |
| 08:22.02 | Ace2016 | but i needed 2.6.23 to get my lcd backlight to work |
| 08:22.11 | Ace2016 | speaking about 2.6.23 why is it not in the sid repos? |
| 08:22.12 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: lots of browsers have that ability to ungzip files |
| 08:22.25 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: because the maintainers of the kernel have not yet uploaded it |
| 08:22.29 | Ace2016 | oh i'll have to watch for that |
| 08:23.28 | Ace2016 | debian sid is getting less and less unstable |
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| 08:24.17 | xingu | !sidsmite Ace2016 |
| 08:24.45 | Ace2016 | well i thought it supposed to get the latest stuff like asap, but now 2.3 |
| 08:24.51 | Ace2016 | 2.6.23.1 is out |
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| 08:25.20 | xingu | send it back for a full refund |
| 08:25.42 | Ace2016 | send what back? |
| 08:25.52 | wols | Ace2016: you're free to pay a debian maintainer so he can always package the newest releases for you ASAP 8h per day nstead of doing real work |
| 08:26.03 | wols | Ace2016: send back your sid |
| 08:26.10 | Ace2016 | send to where? |
| 08:26.28 | wols | to where you get it in the first place, where else? |
| 08:26.47 | Ace2016 | so i upload the kernel i built to where? |
| 08:27.05 | dondelelcaro | you don't, but you can help the kernel team out if you want. |
| 08:27.06 | wols | nowhere. why would anyone accept a kernel from you? |
| 08:27.20 | xingu | whine whine whine, next they'll be complaining about not being able to buy it in metallic fleck with baby seal leather interior |
| 08:27.25 | Ace2016 | you just said to send it back |
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| 08:27.43 | Ace2016 | ok wait i think i get it, a refund =$0 since i didn't pay for it, lol |
| 08:27.50 | Tallu | Ace2016: yes, send sid back for a full refund.. ie nothing |
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| 08:29.20 | DawnLight | !refund |
| 08:29.32 | xingu | Ace2016: the point you're missing is that the project is a fourteen year long *volunteer* experiment |
| 08:30.15 | CoCaInE | http://pastebin.com/m3bc8ef73 |
| 08:30.26 | CoCaInE | any1 could tell me why it dont work |
| 08:30.28 | DawnLight | dpkg: refund is when a free software doesn't work, you can always send it back for a full refund!! |
| 08:30.28 | dpkg | test |
| 08:30.33 | xingu | Ace2016: it's not terribly difficult to learn how to produce your own packages; if you're unhappy - do so. :) |
| 08:30.41 | xingu | (and no I'm not offering training courses) |
| 08:30.48 | Ace2016 | i do i'm compiling xgl |
| 08:31.02 | Ace2016 | but probably just a quick checkinstall -D |
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| 08:31.12 | wols | !tell CoCaInE about doesn't work |
| 08:31.30 | wols | CoCaInE: for starters there are no IPs put in there, only some eastern european language |
| 08:31.46 | wols | CoCaInE: also there is no "auto eth0" |
| 08:32.04 | wols | probably |
| 08:32.35 | xingu | there's also a duplicate iface eth0 |
| 08:32.51 | CoCaInE | yes its polish, i put IP's in () , it dont give me any error |
| 08:32.57 | CoCaInE | just no net and packet sended |
| 08:33.22 | xingu | CoCaInE: remove the first "iface eth0$" and run ifup eth0 |
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| 08:33.44 | CoCaInE | ok |
| 08:34.07 | CoCaInE | change iface eth0 to auto eth0 ? |
| 08:34.20 | wols | CoCaInE: no |
| 08:35.34 | CoCaInE | ifup eth0 |
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| 08:36.16 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 08:36.47 | tamiya | If I have a filesystem on /dev/hdc1, how can i determine if its e2fs or e2fs or reiser, etc? |
| 08:37.18 | wols | tamiya: mount it |
| 08:37.30 | bullgard4 | Wikipedia writes:"[Computing] Userland refers to an application space, typically in Unix or Unix-like operating systems, that is external to the kernel[1] and is protected by privilege separation." What is an 'application space'? |
| 08:37.59 | wols | bullgard4: the memory your applications run in |
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| 08:38.14 | DawnLight | wols: do i need to do something for rc.local to be run on boot or is that default? i see there is a /etc/rc5.d/S99rc.local but the rc.local comments say i have to change the execution bits, what are those? |
| 08:38.18 | tamiya | wols: I can mount it easy with 'mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/disk1' |
| 08:38.39 | wols | tamiya: then you know |
| 08:38.42 | tamiya | no need to specify anything.... but if i want to mount it automatically in /etc/fstab i need to specify the filesystem type |
| 08:38.51 | bullgard4 | wols: Thank you very much for explaining. |
| 08:38.55 | wols | !tell DawnLight about permissions |
| 08:39.11 | wols | tamiya: sure but run "mount" and you will know what type |
| 08:39.30 | DawnLight | oh perms! got it. forgot they were called bits... |
| 08:39.33 | Ace2016 | FINALLY! xgl compiled itself, and it only took me about a week |
| 08:39.41 | xingu | tamiya: for a lot of filesystems you can get away with type=auto |
| 08:39.42 | DawnLight | many things are called bits... :) |
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| 08:40.08 | xingu | tamiya: not sure how that interacts with fsck though, that's an experiment for you :) |
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| 08:40.58 | tamiya | OK, i will try mounting it as 'auto' in /etc/fstab next time |
| 08:41.15 | tamiya | thanks guys |
| 08:43.18 | DawnLight | wols: rain8net:/etc# ls -l rc.local |
| 08:43.19 | DawnLight | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 413 2007-10-20 12:24 rc.local |
| 08:43.48 | DawnLight | isn't this right? |
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| 08:44.40 | schemelab | hello, I am running into issues with my mail.info log file --- I am trying to get mailman to run under Postfix - http://paste.lisp.org/display/49487 |
| 08:45.10 | dutchfish | where can i find more information of using netfilter the multi-core way, because as far as my knowledge reach now, netfilter will only use 1 core? |
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| 08:46.17 | dutchfish | schemelab, whats you q about mail.info mail.log? |
| 08:46.24 | SpeedyG | how can I prevent a certain package from being updated ? |
| 08:46.35 | schemelab | dutchfish: I am getting errors in the log (which I pasted) |
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| 08:46.37 | dutchfish | SpeedyG, apt pinning |
| 08:47.01 | dutchfish | schemelab, sorry just cam in , what pastebin link? |
| 08:47.11 | schemelab | dutchfish: http://paste.lisp.org/display/49487 |
| 08:47.52 | dutchfish | schemelab, you need postmap your tranport file (prolly missing) |
| 08:48.34 | schemelab | dutchfish: do you mean transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 08:48.57 | schemelab | the file said transport, not transport.db (postfix-to-mailman.py) |
| 08:49.08 | dutchfish | schemelab, yes but it must be converted to postfix's native db fomrat with postmap |
| 08:49.09 | xingu | dutchfish: netfilter isn't really designed for multithreaded behaviour; it's a side-effect that happens during bottom half packet processing |
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| 08:49.33 | schemelab | dutchfish: what command should I run /etc/postfix/transport |
| 08:49.38 | dutchfish | xingu, what if i need more raw cpu power for netfilter only a multicore |
| 08:49.39 | schemelab | dutchfish: what command should I run _on_ /etc/postfix/transport |
| 08:49.49 | dutchfish | schemelab, man postmap |
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| 08:50.25 | dutchfish | schemelab, read sietzes postfix setup its elementary |
| 08:50.44 | xingu | dutchfish: then you need a cpu package that has faster flatline throughput |
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| 08:51.08 | xingu | dutchfish: the only scaling that makes sense is one cpu package per interface; beyond that, there's literally no payoff. |
| 08:51.09 | SpeedyG | dutchfish: what I get with pinning is that its installing from another release? Instead of just stop bugging me about apt wanting to update some package ? o_0 |
| 08:51.20 | dutchfish | xingu, no way to bundle a smp system to some kind of virtual 1 core cpu? |
| 08:51.28 | schemelab | dutchfish: shouldnt /usr/share/doc/postfix contain what I need? there is no reference to the document you speak of |
| 08:51.43 | Darkside | ok someone was saying something about editing initrd |
| 08:51.48 | schemelab | it said nothing about postmap, but the errors have stopped, so I guess it worked |
| 08:51.58 | dutchfish | schemelab, hold on i look up |
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| 08:52.08 | Darkside | now, i've installed the nvidia drivers, changed xorg.conf to use them, removed the bus info from xorg, so it will autodetect |
| 08:52.18 | Darkside | i've blacklisted intelfd |
| 08:52.21 | xingu | dutchfish: it's smp that I'm describing; what you're describing is smt; multiple cores don't give you multiple frontside busses (and in some cases, don't even give you multiple 1/2-caches) |
| 08:52.27 | Darkside | what else would i have to do to get it working? |
| 08:52.38 | dutchfish | schemelab, http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html |
| 08:52.47 | schemelab | I see |
| 08:53.07 | dutchfish | xingu, yes you are right, mmm... glitch in my thinking |
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| 08:53.54 | fiddles | hey whats the write way to add a source in sources.list |
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| 08:54.22 | xingu | dutchfish: to build a packet tampering architecture that is parallelisable you need to allow it to be pipelined as well as "routed" (ie, redispatch a given flow across the same fabric consistantly) internally |
| 08:54.34 | xingu | dutchfish: and linux's napi and netfilter are neither |
| 08:54.55 | xtor_ | If I have a core2duo and am running the 686 kernel then should I upgrade to the amd64 kernel image or the emt64 kernel image? |
| 08:54.56 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, thats ask for faster bus/cpu then |
| 08:55.00 | xingu | dutchfish: otherwise you just wind up thrashing your cache and getting buried in coherency traffic |
| 08:55.10 | dutchfish | xingu, right |
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| 08:55.37 | xingu | dutchfish: precisely; it'll scale to one cpu package per interface card, and that's the limit of the system |
| 08:55.50 | schemelab | Now I am getting <inorbit@lists.livingcosmos.org>: mail for lists.livingcosmos.org loops back to itself |
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| 08:56.49 | xingu | dutchfish: if you want to interfere with packets at wire speed, go buy yourself some pxf love; I'd suggest a c7304 or a sup720bxl :) |
| 08:56.56 | dutchfish | schemelab, is your /etc/postfix/transport edited to support your config the right way? |
| 08:57.16 | schemelab | dutchfish: I'm not sure... would exim be an easier thing to work with? I just want to get mailman up and running |
| 08:57.22 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, thx i'll delve into that |
| 08:57.27 | xingu | dutchfish: nb, both of those are ~implicitly ip4, so you'll get to shitcan the lot all over again once you move to ip6 |
| 08:57.47 | wols | dutchfish: load balancing? |
| 08:58.06 | dutchfish | wols, maybe |
| 08:58.19 | xingu | dutchfish: the gigascreen asic is pretty good too for packet filtering but can't do the cbq/pq stuff |
| 08:58.30 | wols | xingu: must be a really fast link so that a cuerrent cpu won't keep up anymore |
| 08:58.57 | dutchfish | wols, at the moment its the busspeed as xingu pointe dme to |
| 08:59.00 | xingu | Wols: not really, doesn't take much to knock pc hardware off its perch |
| 08:59.23 | xingu | wols: put a pc in front of an IM server and flap its link sometime; that's a bloody good test case |
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| 08:59.33 | dutchfish | xingu, lol |
| 08:59.36 | xingu | wols: the presence stuff in the client generates pathalogical worst-case |
| 08:59.41 | wols | " IM server and flap its link sometime;" ? |
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| 08:59.48 | Ace2016 | YAY! xgl compiled!!! (i checked /opt/Ace2016/bin/Xgl is there this time) |
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| 08:59.51 | simonrvn | patho* |
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| 09:00.30 | xingu | wols: server side of ms messenger/ lycos messenger/ google messenger/ choose your poison |
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| 09:01.13 | xingu | Wols: link flap as in drop your link and retract the server's routes - clients will get enoreach and disconnect (then go spare trying to reconnect) |
| 09:01.20 | dutchfish | schemelab, postfix is more stable and more mature (in my humble opinion) but it needs proper setup |
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| 09:01.50 | blj | one of my startup scripts need me to set the path environment variable, is it ok to over write the PATH variable? using export PATH= will it affect other scripts? |
| 09:02.10 | blj | or should i concatenate them? |
| 09:02.18 | xand | blj: don't overwrite PATH |
| 09:02.24 | schemelab | dutchfish: I actually had lists.example.com mailmain: as the only line in transport... I am changing it to my domain... hopefully that will fix things.... I can receive mail at my domain from the outside and send, so that it not the issue ..now I will re-run postmap |
| 09:02.25 | xand | add to it |
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| 09:02.31 | blj | xand: how to add? |
| 09:02.44 | xand | PATH=$PATH./blah |
| 09:02.48 | dutchfish | schemelab, dont forget to re postmap it and reload config |
| 09:02.49 | xingu | wols: nb it depends on what exactly you're testing too, if it's just basic packet flags that's almost a freebie, the data is still warm on the cache at that point; it's when you start doing exotic things like connection tracking, related matches, connection limits, etc. |
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| 09:03.02 | blj | xand thanks. |
| 09:03.05 | schemelab | dutchfish: reload config is via /etc/init.d/postfix restart? |
| 09:03.09 | xingu | wols: anything that blows up like oprah on fried chicken as a function of the number of new flows per interval |
| 09:03.23 | dutchfish | schemelab, /etc/init.d/postfix reload |
| 09:03.30 | petemc | nice analog |
| 09:03.32 | petemc | y |
| 09:03.45 | xingu | wols: then you wind up doing a round trip (or hundreds of) back to dram on a per-packet basis; and *that* smarts. |
| 09:04.23 | dutchfish | afk 2 min |
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| 09:05.40 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:06.07 | xingu | wols: typically you don't get to see the worst-case on pc routers; because the box is fine to the limits (with a little latency if you're actually measuring) right up to the limits; then it locks hard |
| 09:06.09 | Supaplex | --- |
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| 09:06.46 | xingu | wols: nb, I haven't gone back to look at a system using SLUB allocator yet, might be a different profile now |
| 09:08.46 | xingu | wols: the other characteristic you get with the typical pc drop is that the protected resource hits its limits, or, you just plain run out of bandwidth, a long time before the packet filter becomes an issue; but if you've addressed that stuff and you've not revisited the packet filter - "boom" |
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| 09:10.30 | xingu | wols: IM workloads are a good test-case because the bandwidth consumed is tiny, like DNS; but after a major route bounce you get a hi-de-doo from everyone, all at once - millions of tiny flows, room for all of them across the transport, all "now". |
| 09:11.40 | xingu | wols: and typically the back end isn't gating them, because it's trivial to loadbalance them across a farm; so it's the choke that explodes instead. |
| 09:12.31 | xingu | SYN-SYNACK-PUSH-FIN-RST x millions yay :) |
| 09:12.36 | xingu | help, my router's on fire :) |
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| 09:13.18 | dutchfish | xingu, i am wondering if this is already being used in a dos ... |
| 09:13.39 | xingu | somewhere, probably |
| 09:14.08 | xingu | dutchfish: the only way to deal with a dos is to be better peered than the other guy :) |
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| 09:14.39 | xingu | dutchfish: interconnect with more IX's to the point that each edge can be serviced at line rate with capacity spare |
| 09:14.43 | dutchfish | xingu, yes, security will be the main focus for the times that are coming |
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| 09:16.00 | schemelab | Ok, I sent email to a mailing list created via mailman, and apparently mailman sent it to me at google, but I still dont have it at gmail - http://paste.lisp.org/display/49488 |
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| 09:16.21 | GhostlyDeath_ | How do I change the reserved space for root and how many mounts and days before checking on boot? |
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| 09:17.31 | wols | GhostlyDeath_: man tune2fs |
| 09:17.44 | dutchfish | schemelab, rethink your config look again at transport and read about postfix relay options |
| 09:18.09 | mutante | How do I install the manpages that come with packages without installing the actual programs? |
| 09:18.34 | wols | xingu: so what you say is "PC routers need CPUs with lotsa cache and fast memory"? |
| 09:18.51 | dutchfish | schemelab, if i am not mistaken gmail does grey listing .. thats another thing |
| 09:19.03 | wols | xingu: cause what is different from PC cpus to router CPUs? I don't see Cisco manufacturing their own special CPUs |
| 09:19.24 | petemc | dutchfish: they dont do greylisting |
| 09:19.33 | dutchfish | petemc, ok |
| 09:19.37 | wols | mutante: not possible if the manpages aren't in their own packages |
| 09:19.37 | schemelab | grey listing? |
| 09:19.50 | petemc | people dont like to wait for mail |
| 09:20.04 | wols | schemelab: google it |
| 09:20.11 | dutchfish | petemc, they dont like instant-spam either ;) |
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| 09:20.24 | mutante | wols: I would like the result that users can type "man XXX" on the console and see the manpages of ALL packages in stable, but of course not install all the packages |
| 09:20.48 | wols | mutante: and I want a pony. what you want is not possible |
| 09:21.18 | schemelab | what's good public webmail service? sorry to ask something off-topic, but I'm trying to test my webmin/postfix setup |
| 09:21.24 | wols | well of course it is possible but not by default |
| 09:21.24 | schemelab | that doesnt do grey-listing of course |
| 09:21.47 | wols | schemelab: are you on a residential or dial-up IP? |
| 09:22.00 | dutchfish | schemelab, horde |
| 09:22.18 | schemelab | wols - i'm using a cable modem from home |
| 09:22.20 | wols | dutchfish: that's not a " public webmail service" |
| 09:22.29 | dutchfish | schemelab, forget about webmin |
| 09:22.31 | wols | schemelab: then you are. are you using a smarthost? |
| 09:23.03 | schemelab | wols - I dont know what a smarthost is. I am running Debian/Etch 4.0 on a linode VPS |
| 09:23.08 | dutchfish | wols, my error i thought to create a webmail public available setup |
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| 09:23.39 | wols | schemelab: is your mailserver on a linode or using your cable modem? |
| 09:23.53 | schemelab | wols - its on the linode |
| 09:23.59 | lexoplex | I'm looking for quake2 packages... Are they still in contrib? aptitude search quake doesn't list anything. |
| 09:24.00 | wols | k then |
| 09:24.23 | lexoplex | Or anything quake related, even. |
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| 09:24.27 | mutante | wols: but if i would find a place where i can just copy the contents of /usr/share/man to my server, is that already enough to have them "installed" or do i need to trigger a mechanism that makes "man" know them,too |
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| 09:24.56 | wols | lexoplex: then your sources.list is broken. quake2 is still in contrib in sid for example |
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| 09:26.19 | wols | mutante: should be enough |
| 09:26.21 | lexoplex | wols: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free -- does look right, doesn't it? |
| 09:26.49 | mandrigal | no |
| 09:27.03 | mandrigal | that should be free |
| 09:27.34 | wols | lexoplex: for some reason or other it's not in etch but it is in lenny and sid and even sarge |
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| 09:27.51 | wols | mandrigal: no, it's in contrib |
| 09:28.15 | mandrigal | ah sorry |
| 09:28.32 | wols | while it is free, the datafiles of quake2 aren't |
| 09:28.46 | mandrigal | ew |
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| 09:29.38 | valdyn | contrib also can just mean that it relies on not-in-debian , but free stuff |
| 09:29.45 | valdyn | like free quake2 data files |
| 09:29.52 | valdyn | iircv |
| 09:30.25 | Coweater | the data files aren't free |
| 09:30.39 | valdyn | Coweater: the original quake2 aren't |
| 09:30.49 | valdyn | Coweater: doesn't mean you can just use those.. |
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| 09:31.36 | lexoplex | It seems debconf used to offer to install the shareware data from the official site, which would be convenient... |
| 09:31.56 | lexoplex | Maybe it's something to do with age verification :-/ |
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| 09:32.08 | schemelab | great, it was a google issue! fastmail.fm email worked perfectly. thanks dutchfish |
| 09:32.19 | dutchfish | schemelab, yw |
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| 09:33.10 | dutchfish | petemc, gmail is indeed testing out greylisting, i just checked it |
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| 09:33.53 | grub_ | hi, how do i make my USB mouse work? it works in gpm but not in X |
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| 09:34.28 | valdyn | grub_: sharing between X and gpm isn't nice, /dev/gpm should probably exist and work though |
| 09:34.37 | petemc | dutchfish: presumably its selective |
| 09:34.39 | dutchfish | grub_, you could dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (make a copy of config file first) |
| 09:34.47 | Ovi | can anyone tell me how to install debian on the hard disk from a live cd |
| 09:35.07 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 09:35.07 | dpkg | [debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 09:35.28 | Ovi | ? |
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| 09:35.41 | simonrvn | ! |
| 09:35.41 | dutchfish | petemc, coudl be |
| 09:36.14 | Ovi | anyone? |
| 09:36.26 | simonrvn | read ^^^ |
| 09:36.30 | valdyn | Ovi: that's not supported, but you can use debootstrap anyway |
| 09:36.37 | dutchfish | valdyn, or cdedbootstrap |
| 09:37.01 | grub_ | valdyn, as in? I have a /dev/input/mice and cat /dev/input/mice shows that it does recognize it, but i cant seem to use it in X, how do i do that? any ideas? |
| 09:37.08 | Ovi | thk |
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| 09:37.28 | valdyn | grub_: does /dev/gpm exist? |
| 09:37.34 | grub_ | valdyn, nope |
| 09:37.42 | grub_ | valdyn, /dev/gpmdata does |
| 09:37.43 | valdyn | grub_: which device does gpm use? |
| 09:37.50 | valdyn | grub_: oh, it was that one, alright |
| 09:37.56 | grub_ | valdyn, /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:38.05 | grub_ | valdyn, thats what written in /etc/gpm.conf |
| 09:38.08 | valdyn | grub_: try using /dev/gpmdata |
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| 09:38.14 | valdyn | grub_: ( from X ) |
| 09:38.34 | grub_ | valdyn, cat /dev/gpmdata doesn't show anything though |
| 09:38.58 | valdyn | !x mouse |
| 09:39.00 | Darkside | what should i add to initrd so it doesnt use an on-motherboard intel graphics card |
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| 09:39.07 | grub_ | !gpm |
| 09:39.07 | dpkg | gpm is probably if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
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| 09:39.33 | grub_ | valdyn, i tried whats given in that link for usb mice, but that didnt help :/ |
| 09:40.10 | dutchfish | Darkside, blacklist the driver |
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| 09:40.15 | Darkside | done |
| 09:40.16 | Darkside | doesnt work |
| 09:40.28 | Darkside | ive even disabled the card in the bios, still doesnt work |
| 09:40.30 | valdyn | dutchfish: cdebootstrap is different how? just a reimplementation? |
| 09:40.45 | grub_ | simonrvn, protocol? |
| 09:40.52 | valdyn | Darkside: what's 'it' ? |
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| 09:40.56 | simonrvn | the c version is just C instead of Perl |
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| 09:41.03 | valdyn | ok |
| 09:41.04 | Darkside | bu 'doesn't work' i mean, linux doesnt boot |
| 09:41.15 | Darkside | i get a seg fault when loading the nvidia drivers |
| 09:41.24 | Darkside | something to do with a conflict between the cards |
| 09:41.36 | simonrvn | grub_: imps/2, intellimouse, etc. whatever dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gave you as choices |
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| 09:41.50 | Eulex | !tell Darkside about blacklist |
| 09:41.51 | valdyn | Darkside: there's a switch in your bios where you can select which gfx card to use as primary |
| 09:41.53 | grub_ | simonrvn, imps/2 |
| 09:42.00 | Darkside | i've been told that i may have to add something to initrd - what would i have to add? I basically want linux not to touch the internal graphics gard |
| 09:42.05 | grub_ | simonrvn, know of a way to turn it "on" ? |
| 09:42.06 | Darkside | valdyn ....... you think i haven't tried that? |
| 09:42.15 | valdyn | Darkside: i don't know what you tried |
| 09:42.18 | Darkside | :P |
| 09:42.20 | simonrvn | grub_: works 99% of the time. choose another ;) |
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| 09:42.32 | grub_ | ok trying |
| 09:42.35 | Darkside | well, yeah, i've tried that, i've looked on teh motherboard for a jumper for it, there isnt one |
| 09:42.40 | valdyn | Darkside: you can try 'vga=off' in the kernel command line BUT |
| 09:42.52 | xand | Darkside: disable in the bios? |
| 09:42.56 | Darkside | cand: done |
| 09:42.58 | Darkside | xand: done |
| 09:43.01 | valdyn | Darkside: linux primary display is determined by the bios, not by linux, unless you have a framebuffer driver loaded |
| 09:43.29 | Darkside | heres the thing, i can see the boot stuff through the nvidia card |
| 09:43.37 | valdyn | Darkside: good |
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| 09:43.39 | Darkside | but it gets to doinf udev, and it faults |
| 09:43.55 | valdyn | Darkside: it loads a framebuffer driver maybe? or an X driver |
| 09:44.09 | valdyn | Darkside: lsmod | grep i915 or lsmod | grep i810 |
| 09:44.29 | Darkside | hang on... let me take out the card so i can actually get into linux |
| 09:45.01 | valdyn | Darkside: you want to blacklist those 2 |
| 09:45.04 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 09:45.04 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 09:45.27 | simonrvn | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 09:45.28 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 09:45.39 | grub_ | simonrvn: Intellimouse didn't work :( |
| 09:45.39 | Darkside | yah |
| 09:45.44 | Darkside | i may have blacklisted the wrong thing |
| 09:46.05 | valdyn | Darkside: vesafb intelfb i915 i810 should probably all be blacklisted |
| 09:46.10 | reber | hi all. How to have gcc (means : WHAT IS THE CLEANEST WAY) gcc-4.1.3 build for i686 ? |
| 09:46.12 | valdyn | Darkside: i don't know which of those are in debian kernels |
| 09:46.16 | dutchfish | valdyn, sorry for late reaction: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/02/msg00056.html |
| 09:46.37 | simonrvn | grub_: so keep trying. try /dev/gpmdata too, may have to enable the repeater if you use that (like mentioned ^^^) |
| 09:46.58 | grub_ | simonrvn: was using /dev/gpmdata now |
| 09:47.04 | grub_ | didn't work with that |
| 09:47.14 | simonrvn | grub_: stick to /dev/input/mice, then try that |
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| 09:48.31 | Darkside | ok, booting into single user mode |
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| 09:49.56 | Darkside | also |
| 09:50.12 | Darkside | its a Intel 82845G/GL graphics |
| 09:50.52 | Darkside | and i blacklisted intelfb |
| 09:50.55 | Darkside | probably a bad idea |
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| 09:51.24 | Darkside | or maybe its a good idea? who knows... |
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| 09:51.36 | valdyn | Darkside: not a bad idea |
| 09:51.39 | g0th | hi |
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| 09:51.41 | Darkside | okay |
| 09:51.46 | valdyn | Darkside: certainly not harmful |
| 09:51.49 | g0th | I tried to compile a customized kernel |
| 09:51.51 | Darkside | initramds thing |
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| 09:51.57 | Darkside | ill do that |
| 09:51.57 | g0th | it misses include/crypto.h |
| 09:52.09 | g0th | what exactly do I need to compile a linux kernel? |
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| 09:52.20 | mandrigal | knoledge |
| 09:52.30 | g0th | I checked apt-file search linux/crypto.h |
| 09:52.32 | graytron | anyone running etch with apcupsd? does your /var/log/apcupsd.events report self-test results with "Battery: OK" messages? |
| 09:52.35 | g0th | well knowledge I have |
| 09:52.44 | valdyn | g0th: obviously you don't |
| 09:52.46 | Darkside | ok rebuilding stuff now |
| 09:52.47 | dutchfish | g0th, http://kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 09:52.51 | g0th | ^^ |
| 09:53.07 | g0th | valdyn: well then you obviously don't know what obviously means, anyway |
| 09:53.29 | mandrigal | lame |
| 09:53.30 | g0th | there was just the linux kernel header package for a specific debian kernel version |
| 09:53.36 | g0th | is that the way to do it? |
| 09:53.42 | DawnLight | g0th: what do you need to compile a kernel for? |
| 09:53.48 | g0th | to use it |
| 09:53.56 | valdyn | g0th: you don't need a header package when you are already compiling a custom kernel |
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| 09:54.04 | g0th | ok |
| 09:54.10 | DawnLight | !kernel compile |
| 09:54.10 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm), use make-kpkg from the package 'kernel-package' and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (also read Rationale.gz) and http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/. Also ask me about <make-kpkg> <kp mantra> <make-kpkg complains> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 09:54.25 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 09:54.25 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 09:54.27 | g0th | but the kernel itself when compiling a specific file looks for <linux/crypto.h> |
| 09:54.47 | g0th | so it doesn't look in it's own include directory |
| 09:54.48 | valdyn | g0th: how are you 'compiling a specific file' ? |
| 09:54.52 | g0th | ouff |
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| 09:54.55 | g0th | all right specifics |
| 09:55.06 | Skull_auC | hi all |
| 09:55.11 | mandrigal | wtf does debian have to do with bsd? |
| 09:55.15 | g0th | arch/i386/kernel/asm-offsets.c:7:26: error: linux/crypto.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:55.27 | dutchfish | !bsd |
| 09:55.27 | dpkg | bsd is, like, read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people |
| 09:55.32 | valdyn | mandrigal: you actually read that faq part? |
| 09:55.44 | Skull_auC | hey peop i am a newbie please help me |
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| 09:55.54 | xand | !ask |
| 09:55.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:56.03 | valdyn | g0th: how are you compiling? which kernel version is this? |
| 09:56.10 | Darkside | valdyn segfault |
| 09:56.13 | Darkside | hmm |
| 09:56.22 | g0th | linux-2.6.23.1 |
| 09:56.34 | valdyn | g0th: check the lkml |
| 09:56.35 | DawnLight | Skull_auC: ask |
| 09:56.39 | g0th | make bzlilo |
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| 09:56.45 | g0th | hmm, ohh it is a bug? |
| 09:56.46 | valdyn | g0th: read make help |
| 09:57.00 | g0th | ohh |
| 09:57.02 | Darkside | valdyn blacklisting intelfb didn't work then... |
| 09:57.05 | g0th | I always run make bzlilo |
| 09:57.07 | Darkside | still crashes on boot |
| 09:57.08 | g0th | maybe it changed |
| 09:57.21 | valdyn | Darkside: didn't help, doesn't hurt, that's ok |
| 09:57.23 | wols | Darkside: did you blacklist it both in your normal modules and your initrd? |
| 09:57.42 | Darkside | wols: well, i did the dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) thing |
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| 09:58.02 | mandrigal | is this link just supposed to explain to people why they shouldn't attempt to compile a custom kernel? |
| 09:58.11 | valdyn | mandrigal: sure |
| 09:58.29 | g0th | all right anway |
| 09:58.30 | Skull_auC | dpkg: i have tryed to install skype in knoppix and it says that some libraries r not installed. as i tryed to install these libs they needed some else to be installed. apt-get install says there is already the newest version and this is not so. is it possible to install smth with al needed packages automatically?? |
| 09:58.34 | wols | Darkside: have you told the kernel via parameter not to use a framebuffer |
| 09:58.35 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Skull_auC |
| 09:58.36 | g0th | valdyn: it isn't a debian problem then |
| 09:58.47 | g0th | so I'll ask somewhere else, sorry |
| 09:58.51 | wols | Skull_auC: we don't do knoppix support |
| 09:58.52 | xand | Skull_auC: you need to /join #knoppix |
| 09:58.53 | DawnLight | wols: what bits exactly do i need change for rc.local to get executed? because i think it doesn't... |
| 09:58.53 | Darkside | wols: how would i go abotu doing that |
| 09:59.12 | mandrigal | what about people like me that would like to be able to, for purely educational reasons |
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| 09:59.17 | wols | DawnLight: none. is it in /etc/rc2.d/S99* ? |
| 09:59.22 | Ace2016 | I compile and ran my own xgl in sid!!!! yay!!! |
| 09:59.24 | Ace2016 | ok now ifs fusion time |
| 09:59.31 | valdyn | mandrigal: why ask? no one here can forbid you doing whatever |
| 09:59.34 | xingu | Darkside: have you tried video=intelfb:off in boot args? |
| 09:59.40 | Skull_auC | f..ck my gun but knoppix is debian based?!!! and i thought it is equally in all linux distros??? |
| 09:59.41 | Darkside | wil try now |
| 09:59.46 | thedonvaughn | Ace2016: yay another layer ontop of X for no reason! :) |
| 09:59.47 | wols | !debian based |
| 09:59.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 09:59.48 | xand | !knoppix |
| 09:59.48 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:59.50 | mandrigal | just to further understand their OS |
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| 10:00.02 | Darkside | wols: so i put that on the end of the kernel line? |
| 10:00.06 | DawnLight | wols:yes |
| 10:00.13 | wols | DawnLight: yes |
| 10:00.15 | valdyn | mandrigal: the goal of many instructions is giving people a usable system with few time investment |
| 10:00.15 | xingu | Darkside: it's worth a shot |
| 10:00.17 | wols | Darkside: yes |
| 10:00.19 | thedonvaughn | Skull_auC: 'fsck my gun' eh? :) |
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| 10:00.36 | valdyn | mandrigal: if you dont need to get work done or dont want to save time - obviously those guidelines are pointless |
| 10:00.39 | Darkside | ok trying that |
| 10:00.41 | wols | DawnLight: what is in your /etc/rc.local? |
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| 10:00.57 | Darkside | wols: still craps up |
| 10:00.59 | Darkside | seg faults |
| 10:01.09 | Skull_auC | thank u 4 ur help :-! |
| 10:01.15 | xand | !u |
| 10:01.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:01.17 | DawnLight | wols:sleep 5 |
| 10:01.19 | DawnLight | echo "on" > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state |
| 10:01.19 | DawnLight | exit 0 |
| 10:01.36 | mandrigal | i see that i am in a different boat |
| 10:01.48 | wols | DawnLight: put a "touch /test" in there. if test exists: it's run |
| 10:01.53 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 10:01.53 | dpkg | hmm... fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
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| 10:02.57 | Ace2016 | have you ever considered setting up a direct debit with a fish market to feed men every day ;) |
| 10:03.09 | xand | eww fish |
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| 10:03.23 | Darkside | so yeah, i've intelfb didnt work |
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| 10:03.57 | valdyn | Darkside: it should stil be blacklisted, even if it didn't solve the issue |
| 10:04.04 | Darkside | it is |
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| 10:04.14 | Darkside | intelfb is still blacklisted. |
| 10:04.25 | wols | Darkside: what is the first kernel error you get? at what point? |
| 10:04.30 | Darkside | yeah, about that |
| 10:04.34 | Darkside | it goes too damn fast |
| 10:04.49 | valdyn | Darkside: i dont have a clear view on what's going on, maybe you want to put the info you got on a paste site, like dmesg output and bootlog etc |
| 10:04.57 | Ace2016 | too fast? |
| 10:05.10 | Darkside | valdyn that woudl be useful, if dmesg didn't wipe when i actually get into linux again |
| 10:05.17 | valdyn | Darkside: have you played with apic? |
| 10:05.18 | Darkside | i have no other way of getting into the drive |
| 10:05.23 | Darkside | no, whats that? |
| 10:05.26 | valdyn | Darkside: i.e. switching that off? |
| 10:05.41 | Darkside | how? |
| 10:05.44 | valdyn | !apic |
| 10:05.44 | dpkg | somebody said apic was an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 10:05.48 | dutchfish | !bootlog |
| 10:05.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 10:06.16 | valdyn | Darkside: that's a classic way that breaks linux |
| 10:06.20 | Darkside | ? |
| 10:06.22 | Darkside | =/ |
| 10:06.35 | Darkside | how do i disable it then? |
| 10:06.43 | dutchfish | NOAPIC |
| 10:06.53 | Darkside | ah kernel paramaters |
| 10:06.54 | Darkside | okies |
| 10:07.02 | valdyn | just 'noapic' ? |
| 10:07.06 | dutchfish | yup |
| 10:07.10 | Darkside | yep, hang on |
| 10:07.33 | Darkside | k booting... lets see |
| 10:07.40 | Darkside | aaaaaaaaaand segfault! |
| 10:07.43 | Darkside | yay |
| 10:08.09 | valdyn | Darkside: so it really is segfauling before any module at all is loaded uh? |
| 10:08.10 | DawnLight | wols: it did create the /test. so why doesn't it turn on the fan for dpkg's sake! if now i type in echo on > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state it does turn it on! |
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| 10:08.16 | Darkside | valdyn i think so |
| 10:08.32 | valdyn | Darkside: uname -r |
| 10:08.47 | Darkside | yeah, let me pull out the card so i can do that |
| 10:08.49 | valdyn | Darkside: i dont know what to do except using a different kernel then |
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| 10:09.17 | wols | DawnLight: no clue. S99 is as latin the bootprocess as you can get |
| 10:10.12 | Darkside | valdyn, i jsut wanna check something.. how do i get x to revonfigure itself again? |
| 10:10.22 | Darkside | like, set up the correct drivers, etc |
| 10:10.24 | DawnLight | and wols: it has a five second sleep and i've just tried running /etc/init.d/rc.local start and it did turn on the fan. should i give it more sleep?? yikes! |
| 10:10.40 | Darkside | just wanna seee what its trying to use for the graphics driver |
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| 10:11.16 | Darkside | also: im running kernel 2.6.22-2 |
| 10:11.18 | wols | Darkside: is X (or a displaymanager) autostarting on bootup? |
| 10:11.26 | Darkside | wols: yeah |
| 10:11.29 | wols | doh! |
| 10:11.30 | wols | why? |
| 10:11.38 | Darkside | ... |
| 10:11.40 | Darkside | its a desktop |
| 10:11.50 | Darkside | hang on, let me explain something |
| 10:11.50 | wols | it's currently a BORKEN desktop |
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| 10:11.58 | wols | with a graphics problem. |
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| 10:12.18 | Darkside | when it boots (using the onboard vga) it gets to a certain point and switches to a 1024x768 graphics mode |
| 10:12.27 | Darkside | i believe its at this point where it craps up with teh nvidia card |
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| 10:13.16 | wols | Darkside: then why don't you disable framebuffer? |
| 10:13.26 | wols | and I mean the nvidia one |
| 10:13.50 | Darkside | hang on... i want to find out what driver it tries to load on boot. |
| 10:13.53 | Darkside | jsut gimme a sec |
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| 10:14.14 | SunDayMourning | peop there is noone alive in #knoppix. could someone please help me? peop help! i tried to install skype and there r some libs missing or not up to date. as i tried to install this libs they want other libs to b installed, really many! apt-get says there r already newest versions installed but it's not true. is it possible to install some soft so that it seeks downloads and installs automatically all the needed libraries? i th |
| 10:14.14 | SunDayMourning | ink it is the same in debian too |
| 10:14.16 | wols | grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 10:14.27 | wols | SunDayMourning: we don't do knoppix support |
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| 10:14.38 | Supaplex | !tell SunDayMourning -about based on debian |
| 10:14.42 | anandanbu | #flood |
| 10:14.45 | wols | SunDayMourning: no matter what. either run real debian or ask #knoppix or whatever |
| 10:14.52 | Supaplex | !tell SunDayMourning -about knoppix |
| 10:15.16 | Darkside | wols: i changed that to nvidia |
| 10:15.22 | Darkside | i just want to find out what it normall tries to use |
| 10:15.30 | SunDayMourning | i think u r assholes |
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| 10:15.37 | Selenolycus | What do I add to /etc/exports to make an NFS share writable? |
| 10:15.51 | xand | "rw" |
| 10:15.53 | Darkside | :P |
| 10:15.53 | Supaplex | SunDayMourning: tell that to your vendor. they left you in the cold |
| 10:16.03 | SunDayMourning | !tell Supaplex fuck u |
| 10:16.06 | Selenolycus | xand: rw is listed, but I can't write for some reason =/ |
| 10:16.13 | wols | SunDayMourning: coming in with another nick after we told you the same 15 min ago is DAMN STUPID |
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| 10:16.23 | DawnLight | SunDayMourning: debian can do that using aptitude, but why would knoppix have a package management system when it is a live os? |
| 10:17.04 | Supaplex | DawnLight: knoppix has a harddrive install to. |
| 10:17.41 | valdyn | !by a skype barbie |
| 10:17.46 | valdyn | !be a skype barbie |
| 10:17.46 | dpkg | Aww, skype is HARD! Let's go shopping, valdyn |
| 10:17.53 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 10:18.11 | valdyn | oh he's gone |
| 10:18.15 | valdyn | ohnos |
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| 10:18.28 | valdyn | where he could just have used the statically linked skype |
| 10:18.30 | wols | valdyn: he will be back. he's been back before :) |
| 10:18.38 | DawnLight | i wonder why people are making all these various distros while here is a universal one which can replace them easily and do the job better? |
| 10:18.41 | Supaplex | and he insulted me. Should I be upset? *laugh* |
| 10:18.42 | wols | but he's not capable of chaning username or hostmask... |
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| 10:18.59 | Arafangion | DawnLight: Define "better". |
| 10:19.00 | Supaplex | DawnLight: "can" |
| 10:19.08 | valdyn | Darkside: these people don't really use distros, they use the installer that works for them |
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| 10:19.17 | Supaplex | DawnLight: aka, because they "can" - not neccessarily accomplish. |
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| 10:19.33 | Darkside | oookay, blacklisting intel didn't work either |
| 10:19.35 | Darkside | yay |
| 10:19.48 | Supaplex | DawnLight: time to pull out the oozies? ;) |
| 10:20.04 | DawnLight | Arafangion: more easily configurable and good upgrade paths (i've heard) |
| 10:20.14 | nvz | DawnLight: and each distro reflects the various influences of the group of people who vision it |
| 10:20.18 | DawnLight | uzis actually |
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| 10:20.34 | DawnLight | uzi is an israeli dude |
| 10:20.36 | nvz | thus each one providing a new unique look at the software |
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| 10:20.52 | Spilio | hola debian in spanish? |
| 10:20.55 | Supaplex | !es |
| 10:20.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:21.20 | reber | How to have gcc (means : WHAT IS THE CLEANEST WAY) gcc-4.1.x for i686 ? |
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| 10:21.33 | valdyn | reber: aptitude install gcc |
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| 10:21.52 | nvz | !info gcc stable |
| 10:21.52 | valdyn | reber: why 4.1.x specifically btw? |
| 10:21.57 | fyrestrtr | does the debian installer detect other operating systems an adjust grub accordingly or is that a ubuntu-ism? |
| 10:21.57 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 10:22.17 | reber | valdyn, erm, gcc -buildmachine -> i486-linux-gnu ... |
| 10:22.19 | valdyn | fyrestrtr: debian installer does trhat too |
| 10:22.22 | Supaplex | fyrestrtr: yes (often), no |
| 10:22.33 | reber | valdyn, then your solution fails ;) |
| 10:22.37 | valdyn | reber: that doesnt tell me why you need just 4.1.x |
| 10:22.43 | spiralvoice | hi, I am using Debian testing on a scsi-only system, / is on /dev/sda3, now I bought a usb cardreader, its ports are assigned /dev/sda[a-d] during boot, HDD /dev/sda now becomes /dev/sde which renders the system unbootable when the cardreader is plugged-in, what can I do to solve the problem? The USB stuff is initialized before SCSI drives, kernel is stock linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7 |
| 10:22.47 | fyrestrtr | then my second question is -- why tha [bleep] can you only choose between US timezones in the installer. |
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| 10:22.53 | valdyn | reber: what's the point of that string ? |
| 10:22.55 | reber | valdyn, because i want to distcc a gentoo on debian machine. |
| 10:23.00 | DawnLight | i agree, but sooo many it seems that so much effort has been put into projects that just don't come near coming near debian. like there are several(!) "hebrew" distros i've seen. why would the makers make a distro instead of helping with translation upstream?! |
| 10:23.21 | reber | valdyn, erm, gcc -buildmachine -> i486-linux-gnu. |
| 10:23.27 | wols | fyrestrtr: you can use other timezones just fine |
| 10:23.34 | valdyn | reber: and what is it supposed to be for gentoo? |
| 10:23.35 | Supaplex | spiralvoice: use disk labels? |
| 10:23.40 | reber | any other ideas guy ? |
| 10:23.47 | fyrestrtr | wols, yes -- but why is the installer so limited? |
| 10:23.58 | wols | fyrestrtr: it isn't. it can set all timezones |
| 10:24.01 | fyrestrtr | other installers are not. |
| 10:24.07 | Supaplex | spiralvoice: disk labels or uuids. for root= and fstab entries |
| 10:24.08 | nvz | DawnLight: people can take the changes and swim any direction they want in any stream |
| 10:24.09 | fyrestrtr | you can only select from the US zones. |
| 10:24.18 | wols | fyrestrtr: you are wrong |
| 10:24.19 | reber | valdyn, gcc-4.1.whatever, AND i686-linux-gnu. |
| 10:24.32 | fyrestrtr | wols, I just experienced it with debian 4.1 |
| 10:24.32 | guillaume | 03:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd Unknown device 0832 |
| 10:24.35 | Supaplex | spiralvoice: anyway, zzzz here. carry on with #debian if you need more help. |
| 10:24.37 | nvz | DawnLight: if you believe this so much and you believe in debian, than you should work to do this |
| 10:24.42 | reber | gcc -buildmachine should give -> i686-linux-gnu |
| 10:24.43 | spiralvoice | Supaplex: never heard of this, do you have a hint (google search term) for me? |
| 10:24.43 | wols | fyrestrtr: debian 4.1 does not exist |
| 10:24.44 | Darkside | okay wols i've turned on bootlog, will have a look at that |
| 10:24.46 | guillaume | can i make this firewire work ? |
| 10:24.49 | wols | fyrestrtr: there is no debian above 4.0 |
| 10:24.57 | fyrestrtr | wols, whatever is the latest version 4 |
| 10:24.59 | wols | guillaume: update-pciids |
| 10:25.00 | Supaplex | !uuid |
| 10:25.00 | dpkg | [uuid] a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 10:25.04 | DawnLight | nvz: do what? |
| 10:25.19 | nvz | DawnLight: work on fishing translations and getting them into debian |
| 10:25.19 | valdyn | reber: actually it gives gcc: unrecognized option '-buildmachine' |
| 10:25.24 | wols | fyrestrtr: etch can set european timezones. learn to use the installer. it's sorted after continents |
| 10:25.27 | spiralvoice | Supaplex: or is it related to another problem I have? I installed Debian on /dev/sda5, then I changed some partitions, so Debian is now on /dev/sda3, but after updating a kernel grub/menu.lst contains wrong values |
| 10:25.37 | nvz | DawnLight: there are plenty of manuals that need written, edited, and translated |
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| 10:25.51 | wols | spiralvoice: edit your kopt= line in menu.lst |
| 10:25.52 | reber | valdyn, ermm gcc -dumpmachine |
| 10:26.13 | Supaplex | spiralvoice: shhh I'm sleeping. mmm.. I dunno, but uuids are *very* specific. they'll follow the disk wherever it tries to hide (provided it's attached etc) |
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| 10:26.27 | wols | spiralvoice: but no it's not related. the reason the cardreader is first is cause its driver gets laoded first basically. |
| 10:27.43 | spiralvoice | wols: is there a way to avoid that? I would like to keep the SCSI discs first |
| 10:28.05 | Darkside | okay... bootlog doesnt help |
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| 10:28.22 | Darkside | because nothing is logged until the hard drives are mounted ofc |
| 10:28.24 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 10:28.33 | tamiya | Does anyone have a 500GB HD? |
| 10:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 813] by debhelper |
| 10:29.02 | tamiya | I just bought one and fdisk and format'ed it as e3fs and df -h reports 459GB free!!! |
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| 10:29.11 | Darkside | is there any way to log before that time? |
| 10:29.12 | tamiya | 41GB missing!!! |
| 10:29.24 | wols | tamiya: that's normal |
| 10:29.44 | tamiya | wols: yeah, i think you're right |
| 10:29.46 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: yes, and your point is ? |
| 10:29.59 | fyrestrtr | what fs is e3fs? |
| 10:30.07 | wols | some of ext3 space is reserved for root, metainformation needs space too |
| 10:30.10 | nvz | !500*.5 |
| 10:30.11 | dpkg | 250 |
| 10:30.15 | tamiya | i'm skipping the 1TB disk and going for 1.1TB next time ;) |
| 10:30.16 | nvz | er |
| 10:30.19 | nvz | !500*.05 |
| 10:30.19 | dpkg | 25 |
| 10:30.22 | wols | and last but not least hdd makers calculation with 1MB = 1000000 bytes |
| 10:30.23 | Darkside | !42/0 |
| 10:30.26 | Darkside | bah |
| 10:30.34 | nvz | default setting is 5% |
| 10:30.47 | pumpkin0 | fyrestrtr: ext3 |
| 10:30.49 | Darkside | !500*0.95 |
| 10:30.49 | dpkg | 475 |
| 10:31.12 | nvz | that and the fact that some people count 1000s some count 1024s like tomaytos and tomahtos |
| 10:31.18 | guillaume | wols: I wanna try a dv camcoder with kino so i install raw1394, but the module seem to miss in kernel, when I do modprobe raw1394, I obtain "FATAL: Module raw1394 not found." |
| 10:31.26 | wols | Darkside: 5% is "stolen" by hdd makers and 5% is assigned to the reserved space for root |
| 10:31.33 | Darkside | :P |
| 10:31.33 | wols | makes 10% or what tamiya is seeing |
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| 10:31.50 | Darkside | wols: so how can i log all teh stuff that happens before the hdds arew mounted? |
| 10:31.53 | Darkside | is that even possible? |
| 10:31.57 | tamiya | it takes forever to do a e2fsck badblocks check on a 500GB disk :( |
| 10:32.01 | wols | guillaume: what kernel? |
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| 10:32.16 | guillaume | wols: lenny version 2.6.22-2 |
| 10:32.23 | nvz | Darkside: it would have to log to a buffer in ram |
| 10:32.25 | wols | Darkside: serial console and then booting |
| 10:32.26 | nvz | or a ram disk |
| 10:32.33 | valdyn | reber: i think that string is irrelevant |
| 10:32.35 | nvz | or a serial console :P |
| 10:32.35 | guillaume | wols: amd64 |
| 10:32.38 | valdyn | reber: no idea what gentoo does with it |
| 10:32.38 | wols | the terminal at the other end of the serial console will have the log |
| 10:32.39 | Darkside | how |
| 10:32.41 | Darkside | :) |
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| 10:32.44 | Darkside | oh |
| 10:32.45 | Darkside | frack |
| 10:32.59 | Darkside | well that aint happening, i dont have any other computers with a serial port :P |
| 10:33.00 | reber | answers like aptitude install wtf annoys me a bit |
| 10:33.07 | tamiya | wols: better make that 1.2TB for a 1TB disk |
| 10:33.09 | reber | valdyn, yes that string is relevant. |
| 10:33.15 | nvz | I almost hooked this huge wide tractor fed printer up as a logging device a few years ago |
| 10:33.25 | reber | valdyn, but i understand it doesn't make sense for you. |
| 10:33.33 | nvz | I had a bunch of paper for it and nothing to print |
| 10:33.37 | Darkside | i guess i could always video the screen |
| 10:33.40 | wols | guillaume: then maybe it doesn't exist anymore. raw1395 does in debian 2.6.18 for example |
| 10:33.41 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: or start using GiB vs GB, MiB vs MB,... |
| 10:34.06 | valdyn | reber: right |
| 10:34.51 | tamiya | does e2fsck/badblocks actually tell you if it finds a bad sector, or does it just silently "hides" the bad portions of the disk? |
| 10:35.11 | wols | tamiya: it tells you |
| 10:35.17 | wols | smartmontools is better tho |
| 10:35.34 | nvz | you don't really just sweep bad blocks under the rug |
| 10:35.40 | nvz | if the disk is failing you replace it |
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| 10:36.13 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: there are 2 "levels" for bad blocks. the HD itself keeps a list and the fs keeps another one. The HD sliently hides, the fs tells you loudly. |
| 10:36.40 | tamiya | thanks, pumpkin0. |
| 10:36.43 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: the length of the HD-list can be found via smartmontools. |
| 10:36.44 | wols | the good part about smartmontools is: it tells you about the ones the hdd silently remaps |
| 10:37.02 | nvz | I'm gonna go work on some gormet macaroni and cheese like the hungry yinzer I am.. or steak sandwich which ever sounds better when I get off my ass |
| 10:37.33 | tamiya | i did a 'apt-get install smartmontools' and its already installed |
| 10:37.40 | tamiya | but i can run 'smartmontools'. |
| 10:37.45 | tamiya | but i canNOT run 'smartmontools'. |
| 10:37.54 | wols | tamiya: dpkg -L is awesome |
| 10:38.03 | nvz | dpkg -L | grep bin |
| 10:38.03 | dpkg | ii | grep bin 2.8-1.1 nvz's private gamp collection |
| 10:38.05 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: become root and run smartctl -a /dev/your-HD |
| 10:38.10 | nvz | dpkg: you caught me |
| 10:38.21 | wols | nvz: what is a "gamp"? |
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| 10:38.44 | nvz | wols: gay asian midget pr0n apparantly |
| 10:38.58 | wols | ah that. |
| 10:39.04 | nvz | dpkg, gamp? |
| 10:39.20 | nvz | dpkg doesn't know about gamp anymore |
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| 10:39.27 | nvz | hah >6 eh? |
| 10:39.30 | wols | 7' for extra horninnes |
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| 10:39.58 | Darkside | wols: just video'd the boot |
| 10:40.06 | nvz | oh boy |
| 10:40.09 | Darkside | now i should be able to see where it craps up |
| 10:40.27 | nvz | now you can dump the frames and OCR and get a log.. |
| 10:40.32 | Darkside | :P |
| 10:40.35 | Darkside | or that |
| 10:40.42 | nvz | hah.. this is crazier than me thinking of printing my logs in real time |
| 10:40.43 | tamiya | wow!!! thanks guys |
| 10:40.55 | tamiya | looks like my new disk doesn't support SMART but my old one does |
| 10:41.01 | wols | yum. line printer syslog |
| 10:41.03 | tamiya | the new disk is a Samsung |
| 10:41.13 | wols | tamiya: unpossible |
| 10:41.25 | wols | tamiya: new one is sata, old one pata? |
| 10:41.26 | nvz | I should make a filter that writes logs in shorthand like a stenographer and get a little recipt printer.. heh |
| 10:41.30 | tamiya | thats what it says |
| 10:41.34 | tamiya | yes |
| 10:41.43 | Darkside | agpgart interface |
| 10:41.48 | Darkside | is where it screws up |
| 10:41.50 | wols | tamiya: then maybe you should read the manpage more carefully |
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| 10:42.07 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: smartctl --smart=on -a /dev/your-HD |
| 10:42.24 | wols | pumpkin0: you should read the manpage too |
| 10:42.26 | DawnLight | nvz:... sounds very, but very stylish! |
| 10:42.30 | pumpkin0 | wols: this channel is dead if people start reading man-pages... |
| 10:42.49 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: What? |
| 10:42.51 | wols | pumpkin0: then it's about time they'd started |
| 10:43.00 | Darkside | wols: agpgart |
| 10:43.06 | tamiya | 'Device does not support SMART' |
| 10:43.10 | wols | Me and nvz have a lot of gay pr0n talk to do |
| 10:43.11 | tamiya | oh well |
| 10:43.13 | DawnLight | this channel will be pushed up a notch if they do |
| 10:43.17 | wols | tamiya: BS |
| 10:43.32 | wols | tamiya: you can't buy a disk anymore that doesn't support smart |
| 10:43.33 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: did you put it on a RAID-controller ? |
| 10:43.37 | tamiya | wols: thats what it says when i execute the command |
| 10:43.55 | wols | tamiya: cause you are not capable of doing it right and you are not able to read manpages either |
| 10:44.15 | tamiya | pumpkin0: no, its just an ordinary 500GB sata disk on an ordinary Gigabyte motherboard that supports PATA and SATA |
| 10:44.35 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: did you do smart.... /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda ? |
| 10:44.36 | Arafangion | tamiya: My FIRST computer had smart. |
| 10:45.12 | tamiya | pumpkin: /dev/sda |
| 10:45.12 | Arafangion | tamiya: Was fast too - 100MHz. |
| 10:46.03 | DawnLight | i wish i had my first computer now... |
| 10:46.06 | pumpkin0 | tamiya: the gigabyte-board can do RAID ? |
| 10:46.23 | wols | pumpkin0: can you finally read the smartctl manpage? |
| 10:46.29 | tamiya | pumpkin0: no RAID support |
| 10:46.31 | wols | tamiya: you too? |
| 10:46.38 | tamiya | its a 3.5yr old computer |
| 10:46.48 | Arafangion | DawnLight: Why? Those older computers STILL boot and load faster. |
| 10:47.00 | Arafangion | DawnLight: Especially with DOS. :) |
| 10:48.07 | DawnLight | they are crap now. can't even run 2.6 |
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| 10:48.29 | wols | Darkside: what computer is it? that first one? |
| 10:48.46 | DawnLight | hell, 2.6 may have depracated some of the hw |
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| 10:48.59 | Dougy | are any versions of Debian EOL and wich ones |
| 10:49.01 | Dougy | which |
| 10:49.05 | Arafangion | DawnLight: I had two "first" computers - though teh faster one got redelegated to the business network - one 386, and one 486. |
| 10:49.24 | wols | Darkside: woody and before |
| 10:49.28 | Arafangion | DawnLight: The 386 only ran DOS, but the 486 ran Potato for a number of years. |
| 10:49.31 | Darkside | wols: what? |
| 10:49.32 | wols | sarge will be EOL around april next year |
| 10:49.38 | wols | Darkside: was for Dougy |
| 10:49.39 | DawnLight | iirc, parents got me a 586 when i was 5 |
| 10:49.56 | Arafangion | DawnLight: I eventually got a pentium, but it was slower than the 486. |
| 10:50.13 | wols | Arafangion: this I doubt |
| 10:50.16 | Darkside | i dunno what ur talking about =/ |
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| 10:50.21 | Dougy | Darkside: ignore it |
| 10:50.29 | Dougy | wols: so everything older than Sarge |
| 10:50.30 | Dougy | Got it |
| 10:50.40 | Darkside | ah ok |
| 10:50.47 | Darkside | but yeah, agpgart is where it fracks up |
| 10:50.53 | techouse | how do i update kde to 3.5.8? |
| 10:50.56 | Arafangion | wols: Clock for clock, the pentiums are known to be slower than teh 486's, and the pentium was 90MHz, while the 486 was 100MHz. |
| 10:51.05 | wols | Arafangion: wrong |
| 10:51.21 | Arafangion | wols: Elaborate, please. |
| 10:51.29 | streuner | techouse: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:51.33 | wols | Arafangion: a 487-133 was in the area of a P75 for integer. floating point it was much slower |
| 10:51.55 | wols | Arafangion: pentium had two pipes (u and v), 486 a single pipe |
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| 10:52.05 | wols | plus the pentium had vastly better cache |
| 10:52.06 | techouse | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:52.16 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: the first pentium had a superscalar pipeline, the 486 did not. That's why that switch got you faster clock-by-clock first go. |
| 10:52.41 | Arafangion | There must've been something else wierd with that particular p90 system I had. |
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| 10:52.54 | Arafangion | Maybe to do with the ISA cards I had in at the time. |
| 10:53.14 | DawnLight | damn mosquito! |
| 10:53.30 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: the next switchs (P to PII and PII to PIII, PIII to P4) had the lower clock-by-clock performance problem. |
| 10:53.33 | techouse | so....what now? |
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| 10:53.50 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Interesting. |
| 10:54.27 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: the P4 -> C2D switch got us a better clock-by-clock performance again. |
| 10:55.00 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: What's C2D? |
| 10:55.47 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: core 2 duo. the core-somthine-line is faster in general. |
| 10:56.01 | Dougy | core2duo > intel e5355 |
| 10:56.03 | Dougy | er |
| 10:56.03 | Dougy | < |
| 10:56.29 | pumpkin0 | Dougy: clock-by-clock the core is winning. |
| 10:56.34 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: From what I've seen, those c2d's are indeed remarkably fast. |
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| 10:57.09 | streuner | techouse: Which feature do you miss in 3.5.5 vs. 3.5.8? |
| 10:57.24 | techouse | well....3.5.8 is new |
| 10:57.26 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: these thingy will kick ass if all applications start using 2 or more threads by default. |
| 10:57.29 | techouse | i just wanna update it |
| 10:57.33 | Dougy | pumpkin0: cool. |
| 10:57.41 | Dougy | it's a cool project |
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| 10:57.56 | streuner | techouse: How about to have a stable desktop vs. unstable? |
| 10:58.02 | techouse | true |
| 10:58.08 | techouse | another question... |
| 10:58.20 | Dougy | what was debian 2.9's codenma |
| 10:58.22 | Dougy | codename |
| 10:58.24 | streuner | if you dont know what kind of feature you need, its useless to update |
| 10:58.25 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: I'm of the opinion that the real performance win is where developers don't architect their programs using a large number of threads, but simply allow the OS to run different processes spread over teh available cores adequately. |
| 10:58.43 | DawnLight | !debian 2.9 |
| 10:58.58 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Though, indeed, when applications are optimized to utilize a second (or more) core, then that is also a win. |
| 10:59.10 | techouse | i compiled xchat 2.8.4 and installed it, but it wouldn't load when clikced in the menu and if fired up in the terminal it said that it doesn't exist |
| 10:59.18 | techouse | never had this problem before |
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| 10:59.26 | Arafangion | techouse: Well, does it exist? |
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| 10:59.39 | DawnLight | techouse: why did you compile it? |
| 10:59.48 | Arafangion | techouse: Where did you put it? |
| 10:59.52 | techouse | cause apt-get gets 2.6.8 |
| 10:59.58 | techouse | desktop |
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| 11:00.04 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: IMHO the problem is the usage pattern: most people use 1 application, not 2 at the same time. So that 1 application can use everything (both cores) to the max. |
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| 11:00.30 | valdyn | techouse: xchat 2.8.2 does not compile on debian etch with a GUI |
| 11:00.42 | valdyn | techouse: so i don't think you really compiled it probably |
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| 11:00.49 | techouse | oh |
| 11:00.56 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: I use about 3 or so at a time, minimum - a network chat program, a browser for documentation, and a text editor. |
| 11:00.59 | techouse | well....i did the same thing as in kubuntu |
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| 11:01.09 | techouse | thought it would go... |
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| 11:01.43 | streuner | you prolly used the wrong parameter to compile and a few libs |
| 11:01.45 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: do any of these really need CPU-power ? I was more thinking about gimp, heavy video-editing, compression,... |
| 11:01.48 | valdyn | techouse: you should use gentoo as much as you enjoy compiling and haveing the 'latest' for the sake of it being the latest ;) |
| 11:02.21 | valdyn | streuner: xchat has a verision depend on >= gtk-2.10, etch is 2.8 |
| 11:02.23 | techouse | heh |
| 11:02.26 | DawnLight | yes, gentoo is good |
| 11:02.31 | jelly-home | valdyn: you're assuming the user has no real reason to use the newer version |
| 11:02.33 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: The gimp is a very trivial application, threading wise - it can easily be single-threaded only, and then as an optimization, use workers in a thread pool. |
| 11:02.41 | valdyn | jelly-home: yes |
| 11:02.48 | jelly-home | valdyn: ... while xchat 2.8.4 has some real improvements |
| 11:02.52 | streuner | valdyn: simple sid backport |
| 11:03.03 | valdyn | streuner: for gtk? that's alot |
| 11:03.22 | techouse | i also downloaded some theme and compiled & installed it, but it's nowhere in the theme manager |
| 11:03.23 | valdyn | streuner: but feasable sure |
| 11:03.25 | streuner | bah, he could also just install gtk-version |
| 11:03.28 | techouse | any ideas? |
| 11:03.36 | streuner | out of source |
| 11:03.37 | techouse | theme for KDE that is |
| 11:03.45 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: I'm quite opiniated when it comes to software design. :( |
| 11:04.04 | techouse | this theme http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Baghira?content=8692 |
| 11:04.18 | valdyn | jelly-home: yea, i guess, he just stated the 'need new because its new' earlier |
| 11:04.37 | Dougy | Nothing? |
| 11:04.49 | jelly-home | valdyn: ah, I missed it, sorry |
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| 11:05.18 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: gimp uses a number of scripts for filters. Optimizing these will be a problem. But, yes it is easy from a high-level view. |
| 11:06.12 | DawnLight | wols: i've found that when i put a "cat /proc/acpi/fan/FAN1/state" before the "echo on..." the fan gets turned on at boot! doesn't nee sleep, also. why would that be?.. |
| 11:06.21 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Scripts, you say? That shouldn't be that hard to optimize. |
| 11:06.30 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Mind you, that |
| 11:06.55 | xingu | pumpkin0: corollary: the earth seems simple from the moon |
| 11:06.59 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Mind you, they'd be executed sequentially - but the UI should become even smoother and less likely to 'hang'. |
| 11:07.10 | techouse | i also swithched the splash screen and the login screen and while loading a blue kde screen appears...just for 1 second maybe |
| 11:07.17 | techouse | any ideas why? |
| 11:07.26 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Meanwhile, you can check out your documentation in the browser while the scripts run. ;) |
| 11:07.31 | guillaume | kino doesn't work with firwire_core from 2.6.22-2 kernel, what need to be fixed in order than kino see my camcoder ? pls. Device is mounted as fw1, I try open the dev 777 but it's still unavailable under kino pref |
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| 11:08.22 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Modifying scripts and programs so that the various threads can run lock-free concurrently is a major difficulty, though. |
| 11:08.23 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: that one (using one application while another one maxes out the CPU) is a kernel problem. That should be managable even on single-core CPUs. |
| 11:08.49 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: You're correct - it's a scheduling issue, but it's also a load problem, as well. |
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| 11:11.33 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Mind you, I've yet to graduate, who knows what a few years in the workforce will do to my opinions, but I'm still quite certain that multiple threads in a single app isn't the silver bullet people seem to think it is. I'm very much a multi-process guy, as at the very least one can add more reliability to the application, and algorithms/designs are normally chosen that are less likely to result in locks compared to the threaded |
| 11:12.00 | xingu | Arafangion: context switching is expensive. |
| 11:12.14 | xingu | Arafangion: switching less of it, and that lazily, is always the way to go |
| 11:12.27 | valdyn | Arafangion: in unix taks aren't really that different from threads |
| 11:12.31 | valdyn | Arafangion: in windows they are |
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| 11:12.56 | xingu | valdyn: hmm, a thread can yield to a neighbour without doing a round trip through ring0 |
| 11:13.06 | wols | DawnLight: no friggng clue. acpi is fubar by default |
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| 11:13.33 | guillaume | Do I have to open a bug report for kino package ? |
| 11:13.44 | DawnLight | well, as long as it works. thanks wols! |
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| 11:14.00 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:14.09 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: The CPU-race switched from more-power-per-core to more-cores. you will never get maximal performance with only 1-2 cores loaded. Go threaded if you application can work on a lot of CPU-hungry things at the same time. It will produce a better performance increase with each new CPU-generation. |
| 11:14.14 | Ace2016 | how do i install the nvidia driver for a custom kernel the debian way?? |
| 11:14.17 | Ace2016 | !nvidia |
| 11:14.17 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 11:15.44 | Arafangion | xingu: Indeed, I tend to prefer passing messages to different processes. |
| 11:16.05 | xingu | pumpkin0: and the reason why, is ideally you want all execution units in a package to share a given (kernel) context; otherwise you drown in cache coherency traffic |
| 11:16.18 | xingu | pumpkin0: one context per package, one thread per core |
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| 11:17.04 | Dougy | what was the codename for deb 2.9 |
| 11:17.06 | Dougy | !debian 2.9 |
| 11:17.15 | valdyn | Dougy: that never existed |
| 11:17.20 | valdyn | !sarge++ |
| 11:17.25 | valdyn | !sarge+ |
| 11:17.26 | Arafangion | xingu: Mind you, I am biased away from threads in the interest of implementation and design ease and stability - it's easy to optimize later. |
| 11:17.37 | valdyn | !woody |
| 11:17.37 | dpkg | woody is, like, the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
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| 11:17.46 | valdyn | !potato |
| 11:17.47 | dpkg | it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
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| 11:18.31 | Dougy | :< |
| 11:18.35 | Dougy | What was the version before sareg |
| 11:18.37 | Dougy | sarge* |
| 11:18.41 | xingu | Arafangion: then your workloads will suck on smt and vector hardware |
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| 11:18.45 | SpeedyG | woody |
| 11:19.04 | SpeedyG | but dont ask what came before woody, I don't remember :) |
| 11:19.10 | Arafangion | xingu: Only prior to optimization. ;) The degree of successful optimization does depend on the algorithms used, though |
| 11:19.15 | Dougy | that's what i meant |
| 11:19.16 | Dougy | before woody |
| 11:19.16 | Dougy | :< |
| 11:19.19 | SpeedyG | oh, potato |
| 11:19.22 | SpeedyG | I guess |
| 11:19.23 | xingu | optimisation makes the wrong idea faster :) |
| 11:19.33 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: "Rules of Optimisation (from M.A. Jackson):. Rule 1: Don't do it. Rule 2 (for experts only): Don't do it yet.". I still like that line .... |
| 11:19.37 | SpeedyG | since potato->woody is dpkg's suggestion :) |
| 11:19.42 | Arafangion | xingu: I mean modification of actual code, not 'compiler hacks'. |
| 11:19.49 | valdyn | bo,rex,hamm,potato,woody,sarge,etch; maybe |
| 11:19.51 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: I love that too. :) |
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| 11:20.12 | Ace2016 | !nvidia |
| 11:20.12 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 11:20.15 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: In my uni project this year, I spent a whole year implementing our project - and only this past few weeks optimizing it. ;) (It's a year-long project) |
| 11:20.34 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Well, design *and* implementation, rather. |
| 11:21.04 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: but right now i have to break it. This project calls for CUDA (512 threads per GPU, 1 or 2 GPUs)... |
| 11:21.26 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Woah, that's an entirely different situation. :) |
| 11:21.53 | pumpkin0 | Arafangion: and it is easy. these threads don't share a single bit of data... |
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| 11:22.17 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Nice. The context I currently sit in is applications code. |
| 11:22.32 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Where "threads" generally implies "lots of shared context". |
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| 11:23.29 | SpeedyG | valdyn: you forgot lenny in the end ;) (even tho thats not stable yet, its named so should be in that line of versions imo ;) ) |
| 11:23.31 | xingu | pumpkin0: cuda is fun. :) |
| 11:23.40 | Arafangion | pumpkin0: Hmm, this must've been what one of my friends was going to use for his 'FFT on the GPU' honors project, but he pulled out. |
| 11:24.47 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i get the hardware next week. But the design-phase is just f**k upped. |
| 11:24.51 | xingu | pumpkin0: feel like writing a cuda based driver for OCF? :) |
| 11:25.04 | xingu | pumpkin0: http://ocf-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:25.12 | pumpkin0 | xingu: uhm... no thanks. |
| 11:26.10 | Dougy | debian potato |
| 11:26.10 | Dougy | lol |
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| 11:26.48 | Arafangion | Dougy: What's so funny? |
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| 11:26.58 | Dougy | A codename of "potato" |
| 11:27.16 | Arafangion | Dougy: You obviously aren't familiar with debian's naming system. |
| 11:27.32 | Dougy | nop |
| 11:27.38 | pumpkin0 | Dougy: you never watched toy-story, right ? |
| 11:27.42 | Dougy | I have |
| 11:27.52 | Dougy | years ago |
| 11:27.54 | pumpkin0 | Dougy: all names are from the movie... |
| 11:27.57 | Dougy | yeah |
| 11:28.00 | Dougy | that sounds right |
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| 11:28.16 | Ace2016 | !nvidia |
| 11:28.16 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 11:28.19 | xingu | execution domains for cuda, yeah baby yeah |
| 11:28.21 | techouse | how do i restart kwin |
| 11:28.28 | pumpkin0 | xingu: did you see the tesla-cards and blades ? |
| 11:28.40 | pumpkin0 | techouse: from console ? |
| 11:28.43 | xingu | yep |
| 11:28.43 | techouse | yep |
| 11:28.47 | Ace2016 | What happened? !nvidia just changed |
| 11:28.59 | pumpkin0 | techouse: /etc/init.d/kwin restart ? |
| 11:29.02 | techouse | ok |
| 11:29.03 | xingu | pumpkin0: we have a customer using them for blackbox trading. :) |
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| 11:29.49 | pumpkin0 | xingu: yes, they are fun. I want one for my project, but i have to prove it works on a normal 8X00 first. |
| 11:30.52 | Dougy | hm |
| 11:30.55 | Dougy | i'm making an EOL forum |
| 11:30.59 | Dougy | what are some big distros to have |
| 11:31.08 | Dougy | i have debian, fedora, redhat |
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| 11:32.47 | wols | Dougy: this channel is debian only spcific |
| 11:33.14 | wols | Ace2016: did you install the drivers "the debian way"? |
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| 11:34.24 | Ace2016 | debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 11:34.24 | Ace2016 | debconf: DbDriver "templatedb": /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 11:34.29 | Ace2016 | wols: it messed up |
| 11:34.45 | Ace2016 | i tried to run dpkg reconfigure but closed konsole |
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| 11:34.54 | Ace2016 | and then it said debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 11:35.01 | Ace2016 | so i did sudo rm /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 11:35.08 | Ace2016 | then i tried and got the errors i posted first |
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| 11:35.12 | Ace2016 | so what do i do now? |
| 11:36.25 | Ace2016 | brb |
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| 11:38.11 | Ace2016 | back |
| 11:38.26 | Ace2016 | so how do i make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work again |
| 11:38.43 | Ace2016 | it started and i closed the console window and now it refuses to start again |
| 11:39.08 | Ace2016 | i deleted /var/cache/debconf/config.dat to try and get it to start but now there are more errors |
| 11:39.16 | Ace2016 | debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 11:39.16 | Ace2016 | debconf: DbDriver "templatedb": /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 11:40.50 | Ace2016 | sudo killall -9 dpkg-reconfigure :D |
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| 11:52.39 | reber | lenny? |
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| 11:54.08 | Eulex | !lenny |
| 11:54.08 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
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| 11:55.54 | avtobiff | renny? |
| 11:55.55 | avtobiff | !renny |
| 11:56.05 | reber | Eulex, seems that apt-file and apt-source isn't present in lenny. How to fix ? |
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| 12:03.40 | Lisa696 | good morning, I have a problem with my linux when it starts. |
| 12:03.40 | Lisa696 | can anybody say to me as I remove him service of bluetooh, so that it does not start with my system? |
| 12:04.13 | Eulex | reber, apt-file is. I've never heard about apt-source, though. |
| 12:04.37 | Eulex | !init.d |
| 12:04.37 | dpkg | i heard init.d is ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local> |
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| 12:05.16 | reber | Eulex, can you please paste me your sources.list (privatly or pastebin) of lenny ? |
| 12:05.43 | Eulex | Lisa696, disable the service through removing symlinks out of the appropriate runlevels. see /etc/init.d/README. |
| 12:06.40 | Eulex | reber, I use the ftp.se.debian.org mirror, as I'm in sweden. that one won't be appropriate for you. |
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| 12:06.57 | reber | Eulex, np, can you please pastebin it ? |
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| 12:07.11 | abrotman | !tell reber about sources.list |
| 12:07.24 | Tapout | Is there a way to see what version of 8.1 is in apt-cache ? postgresql-8.1 - object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server <-- doesn't say if it's 8.1.9 .. or 8.1.10 |
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| 12:07.34 | Eulex | Tapout, apt-cache policy |
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| 12:08.12 | reber | !tell about abrotman gcc |
| 12:08.12 | Eulex | reber, mine is irrelevant. pastebin yours instead, so we can see if it contains any obvious problems. |
| 12:08.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:08.25 | Eulex | !tell reber about selftell |
| 12:08.32 | reber | haha |
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| 12:10.23 | nooblar100 | how do I add a key to apt? |
| 12:11.06 | Eulex | !apt-!key |
| 12:11.09 | Eulex | !key |
| 12:11.09 | dpkg | i guess key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 12:11.20 | abrotman | nooblar100: which key? |
| 12:11.32 | nooblar100 | for an e17 repository. |
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| 12:11.51 | abrotman | what's the actual key ? |
| 12:12.00 | nooblar100 | 7E5D69A103CA4243, I think |
| 12:12.14 | techouse | where can I set custom solors for the taskbar? |
| 12:12.19 | techouse | colors |
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| 12:12.41 | abrotman | !tell nooblar100 about apt-key 03CA4243 |
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| 12:15.00 | CharminTheMoose | how do i limit my download rate in linux? |
| 12:15.12 | N[i]X | hello, does anybody know a good program for editing videos that is easy to use? all i need to do is put a few videos together and put a song in the background |
| 12:15.14 | wols | download rate of what? |
| 12:15.27 | CharminTheMoose | download rate of my 'net connection |
| 12:15.35 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, wondershaper. |
| 12:15.36 | wols | N[i]X: kino, cinelerra |
| 12:16.03 | wols | CharminTheMoose: that's nonsensical. why do you want to change it? |
| 12:16.17 | N[i]X | wols: ok thanks, 1 sec |
| 12:16.22 | iveqy | hi, I'm trying to add a printer with gnome-cups-manager over a smb network. I keep getting the error IPP request fialed with status 1028. When trying to print. |
| 12:16.48 | wols | iveqy: smb != ipp |
| 12:17.05 | wols | ipp runs totally different from smb |
| 12:17.09 | CharminTheMoose | wols, heh, not really, just that i want to rsync a site and my brother is gaming via wireless on the same router as me. and if i'm using all 200kb/s of my 'net connection, he can't download stuff,so his game lags and it pisses him off mightily |
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| 12:17.37 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, wondershaper. it's easy to use and works well. |
| 12:17.42 | wols | so you don't want to change the download rate, you want to change rsync's download rate |
| 12:18.00 | Eulex | yeah, wondershaper would change it globally. |
| 12:18.20 | wols | Eulex: but in a way it would hopefully work for him |
| 12:18.21 | iveqy | wols: okej, thx :). But that only makes me more confuse... :S |
| 12:18.22 | CharminTheMoose | Eulex, yeah, i don't really mind about it being global |
| 12:18.25 | wols | so yes, use wondershaper first |
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| 12:19.11 | stew | wondershaper is a good idea in any case, but rsync also has --bwlimit |
| 12:19.12 | wols | iveqy: smb is windows file and printer sharing and runs over ports 135,139 and 445 |
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| 12:19.27 | wols | ipp is the internet printing protocol and only does printing, it runs over port 631 |
| 12:20.47 | iveqy | wols: thanks, then I guess the question is, why is IPP used when I choose smb? Btw, the port number is set to 0, where can I change that? |
| 12:20.58 | nooblar100 | is there a reason why compiling a kernel on debian takes such a long time? |
| 12:21.25 | wols | nooblar100: no. and it doesn't take longer than in other distros |
| 12:21.28 | CharminTheMoose | so i'd do something like 'sudo wondershaper eth0 20 2' and then hope for the best? |
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| 12:21.47 | abrotman | nooblar100: and why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 12:21.48 | nooblar100 | wols: I can attest that it takes twice much longer than in gentoo. |
| 12:22.01 | nooblar100 | at least |
| 12:22.07 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, 20 kbit downlink and 2kbit uplink? really? |
| 12:22.16 | nooblar100 | I'm compilng it because i can. it is open source. |
| 12:22.26 | CharminTheMoose | Eulex, meh, why not.. |
| 12:22.33 | abrotman | so basically .. you have no reason at all .. |
| 12:22.42 | wols | nooblar100: please compare apples with apples |
| 12:22.49 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 12:22.56 | nooblar100 | well I guess it has to do with wanting to look inside of it. much like opening a mysterious box. |
| 12:23.17 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, didn't you intend a 20 kb/s downlink and 2kb/s uplink? then multiply those values by 8. |
| 12:23.17 | abrotman | did you actually look .. or just use a config and compile ? |
| 12:23.19 | wols | nooblar100: you don't "look inside it" with what you are doing |
| 12:23.28 | wols | abrotman: he's a gentoo user. no need to ask |
| 12:23.35 | nooblar100 | actually I'm on debain |
| 12:23.42 | nooblar100 | man you guys are anal. |
| 12:23.45 | abrotman | nooblar100: and did you compare the configs from different systems? |
| 12:23.52 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, also note that if you give tcp a too small uplink, that one will be the bottleneck. |
| 12:24.03 | abrotman | nooblar100: if you started with a debian config .. you get *tons* of modules .. |
| 12:24.22 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, for every package you send via tcp, an answer package is sent back to the sender to notify it that the package arrived at the destination. |
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| 12:25.07 | nooblar100 | I f |
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| 12:25.32 | abrotman | you what? |
| 12:25.46 | nooblar100 | oh sorry typo. |
| 12:25.59 | abrotman | nooblar100: also .. /msg dpkg kp |
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| 12:26.23 | nooblar100 | ah. the starting point. |
| 12:26.25 | nooblar100 | cool |
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| 12:33.45 | nooblar100 | the reason I stopped with the gentoo is related to the ebuilds they are neat and work well, but configuration for somethings tends to become what I would call absurd. |
| 12:34.19 | nooblar100 | debian packaging is more efficient and not absurdly complex to install a package with. |
| 12:34.46 | abrotman | but yet .. you compile anyways :) |
| 12:34.51 | nooblar100 | heck yeah |
| 12:36.09 | Arafangion | A personal one, as well. |
| 12:37.57 | stew | Arafangion: what is the benefit of not having PAM? |
| 12:39.15 | Nihill | what is PAM? |
| 12:39.19 | Nihill | other than a womans name |
| 12:39.21 | stew | !pam |
| 12:39.22 | dpkg | well, pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
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| 12:40.31 | loca| | how to do file by file difference check between two servers ? is it possible to use rsync ? |
| 12:41.33 | stew | loca|: perhaps rdiff |
| 12:42.01 | loca| | i dunno that tool |
| 12:42.18 | stew | apt-cache show rdiff |
| 12:43.08 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M? |
| 12:43.32 | vlt | (It's Debain Sarge) |
| 12:44.00 | vlt | Debian, even;) |
| 12:45.32 | wols | stew: according to the factoid: a working system :) |
| 12:46.15 | stew | heh |
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| 12:56.25 | schemelab | I am using Postfix and Webmin under Debian/Etch 4.0. I want email sent to sundevil@livingcosmos.org to be sent to address@x.com How would I do this? |
| 12:56.37 | Tapout | hey Eulex, that didn't reveal any clues for me ;) |
| 12:57.35 | Eulex | Tapout, did you run it with the package name as argument? |
| 12:57.40 | stew | Tapout: "apt-cache policy postgresql-8.1" should show you what you have installed in "Installed:" and what is available in "Candidate:" |
| 12:57.49 | Tapout | ohh |
| 12:58.00 | Tapout | nah i just saw 100, 500 :) |
| 12:58.15 | Tapout | oh nice, thanks guys |
| 12:59.02 | stew | schemelab: do you have virtual_maps defined in main.cf? |
| 12:59.15 | stew | schemelab: and if so, how are they stored? |
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| 13:01.17 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 13:02.42 | schemelab | stew: I have no virtual_maps ... I dont even know what that is :) |
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| 13:03.32 | schemelab | stew: I will just ask on the webmin list |
| 13:03.42 | stew | schemelab: what are your mail users authenticated aganst? PAM? |
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| 13:04.04 | schemelab | stew: that's just the point. there is no user named sundevil even though I own the domain livingcosmos.org |
| 13:04.14 | schemelab | stew: the only user is me, schemelab |
| 13:04.19 | xand | edit /etc/aliases? |
| 13:04.28 | schemelab | I dont know |
| 13:04.30 | schemelab | I have no idea |
| 13:04.42 | schemelab | oh that might be the way to do it I suppose |
| 13:04.48 | stew | schemelab: yeah, i'd say edit /etc/aliases and then run newaliases |
| 13:05.03 | schemelab | ok thanks |
| 13:06.00 | schemelab | odd - webmin said "Failed to save alias : 'sundevil@livingcosmos.org' is not a valid address" ... |
| 13:06.16 | xand | edit the file... webmin is bad |
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| 13:06.31 | schemelab | xand: webmin has been my savior for apache |
| 13:06.34 | xand | (and thus not in debian) |
| 13:06.46 | schemelab | Webmin is in Debian Etch 4.0 |
| 13:06.52 | stew | schemelab: no, it is not |
| 13:06.59 | mike1o | ive downloaded the netinstall iso image how do I load it to my usb stick and install debian from there? |
| 13:07.03 | mike1o | !usb |
| 13:07.03 | dpkg | methinks usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 13:07.27 | schemelab | stew: |
| 13:07.27 | schemelab | root@li2-168:/usr/lib/mailman/bin# apt-cache search webmin |
| 13:07.27 | schemelab | webmin - A web-based administration interface for Unix systems. |
| 13:07.27 | schemelab | root@li2-168:/usr/lib/mailman/bin# uname -a |
| 13:07.27 | schemelab | Linux li2-168 2.6.22.6-linode34 #1 Sat Sep 1 23:43:16 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:07.49 | stew | schemelab: http://packages.debian.org/webmin |
| 13:07.50 | schemelab | sorry I thought 4 lines was OK |
| 13:07.54 | xand | you have non-standard sources then... it's not in debian anymore |
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| 13:08.17 | schemelab | it works fine for me. what web-based admin tool does debian ship with? |
| 13:08.18 | stew | schemelab: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 13:08.27 | stew | schemelab: none |
| 13:09.29 | minerale | schemelab: you are welcome to install cpanel on it though |
| 13:09.36 | stew | ugh |
| 13:09.46 | xand | that's not in debian either |
| 13:09.46 | schemelab | I setup procmail today by editing various files and I had the willies the whole time :) it worked out, but it was not a joy ride |
| 13:09.52 | schemelab | I mean postfix, not procmail |
| 13:09.57 | minerale | cpanel has it's own debian installer |
| 13:10.01 | schemelab | minerale: cpanel is not free is it? |
| 13:10.08 | minerale | it is not |
| 13:10.19 | minerale | there's another cpanel lookalike, can't remember its name |
| 13:10.25 | stew | cpanel does evil things |
| 13:10.35 | stew | like reinstall perl overtop of the packaged version of perl |
| 13:10.41 | schemelab | EVIL |
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| 13:11.14 | stew | cpanel really makes my job of admin on several boxes much harder than it should be |
| 13:11.47 | stew | since i can't do things like just open up a config file and edit it. i have to instead find it somewhere in some web interfaces |
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| 13:12.44 | stew | i really need to someday figure out if vhcs could be potentially less evil and make people use that |
| 13:12.45 | predder` | I want to create and mount an xfs filesystem ontop of my md raid5 device. Can someone point me in the right direction please? |
| 13:13.06 | predder` | btw, the dpkg xfs entry contains a dead link |
| 13:13.25 | Samurai_dio | do someone knows if the latest kernel on Etch has the Ralink Wireless module? |
| 13:13.27 | Eulex | predder`, fix it! |
| 13:13.55 | predder` | Eulex, I don't know how to do that |
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| 13:14.07 | predder` | I'm talking about the bot, not dpkg on my local machine |
| 13:14.11 | Eulex | predder, /msg dpkg no, xfs is blah blah blah blah... |
| 13:14.19 | predder` | okay |
| 13:14.24 | Eulex | with the fixed text. |
| 13:16.29 | abrotman | Samurai_dio: apt-cache search .. i believe they're all source packages |
| 13:16.53 | schemelab | I have a Postfix aliases question. in /etc/aliases, there is no mention of domain name, yet I have 3 domains forwarded to the Linux box. E.g: asciidoc-discuss-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe asciidoc-discuss ... how does it know to service this from asciidoc-discuss@lists.metaperl.com instead of asciidoc-discuss@lists.livingcosmos.org? |
| 13:16.59 | predder` | okay, I've done my duty :) How do I create an xfs filesystem? |
| 13:17.08 | wols | Samurai_dio: none has it. you can build it with module assistant tho. but only the old driver |
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| 13:17.17 | wols | predder`: mkfs.xfs |
| 13:17.42 | schemelab | and so, should the aliases file have sundevil: forwarding_address or sundevil@livingcosmos.org: forwarding_address? |
| 13:18.13 | Samurai_dio | the old driver should work for me, the problem is, if i dont have the driver, i dont have internet connection, so, how could i install it? |
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| 13:18.22 | stew | schemelab: asciidoc-discuss-unsubscribe should forward both asciidoc-discuss@lists.metaperl.com and asciidoc-discuss@lists.livingcosmos.org |
| 13:18.30 | stew | schemelab: it should have sundevil: forwarding_address |
| 13:18.46 | wols | Samurai_dio: by using CD1 and not netinst |
| 13:18.48 | schemelab | weird. but I'll take it :) |
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| 13:19.14 | predder` | thanks wols. The block device currently has an ext3 filesystem on it, do I need to delete it somehow before creating the new xfs filesystem? |
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| 13:19.29 | wols | no |
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| 13:19.31 | predder` | (There's no data on the ext3 filesystem) |
| 13:19.38 | predder` | okay |
| 13:19.40 | wols | the data will be lost of course |
| 13:19.42 | stew | schemelab: if you wanted asciidoc-discuss to not forward asciidoc-discuss@lists.livingcosmos.org, you'd have to setup virtual maps |
| 13:20.08 | schemelab | that's ok. that wont happen |
| 13:20.11 | Samurai_dio | wols, sure, i have the CD1, can i install the driver throught module-assistant with CD1? |
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| 13:20.31 | wols | Samurai_dio: hopefully. not really sure |
| 13:20.34 | schemelab | livingcosmos is for my metaphysical meanderings and metaperl.com is for my technical side :) |
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| 13:24.01 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M? |
| 13:25.03 | vlt | "Print file was not accepted |
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| 13:26.39 | techouse | which is the latest Debian kernel? |
| 13:26.46 | techouse | 2.6.? |
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| 13:28.19 | Eulex | techouse, latest in stable is 2.6.18. |
| 13:28.47 | OBcecado | hi, i'm having some problems installing nvidia-kernel-100.14.19, which repositories do i have to enable ? |
| 13:28.51 | techouse | ok....but ntfs-3g wants 2.6.20 :P |
| 13:28.53 | OBcecado | thanks in advance |
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| 13:29.41 | Eulex | techouse, get 2.6.22 from testing then. |
| 13:30.05 | h3sp4wn | techouse: better to get it from backports.org |
| 13:30.14 | Eulex | techouse, (kernel packages are among the few packages that you in most cases can get from another release of debian) |
| 13:30.20 | Eulex | h3sp4wn, oh, right |
| 13:30.27 | Eulex | techouse, backports.org. |
| 13:30.35 | SamuraiDio | there's a backport of ntfs-3g to debian etch, and its needed kernel too |
| 13:31.50 | h3sp4wn | Eulex: Not 100% certain whether it matters in this case but if there is different stuff to do with regards to a newer initramfs-tools or udev needed etc then safer to use backports.org |
| 13:32.07 | techouse | this one deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free ? |
| 13:32.27 | Eulex | h3sp4wn, yeah. but in most cases it works anyway. |
| 13:32.38 | Eulex | techouse, read the instructions about pinning on backports.org. |
| 13:32.48 | techouse | ok |
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| 13:33.44 | wols | OBcecado: what debian branch are you running right now? |
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| 13:34.24 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 13:34.31 | Nyle | wols: what debian brand are you running? |
| 13:34.35 | Nyle | branch* |
| 13:34.43 | wols | Nyle: the best |
| 13:34.44 | techouse | so what's the package name for the new linux kernel? |
| 13:34.49 | Nyle | wols: which is? |
| 13:34.53 | wols | techouse: linux-image* |
| 13:35.01 | techouse | ok |
| 13:35.02 | wols | Nyle: the one I run obviously |
| 13:35.11 | Nyle | wols: I'm gonna hurt you :( |
| 13:35.25 | wols | Nyle: harder! harder! oh yeah! *moan* |
| 13:35.31 | Nyle | hooookkkaayy |
| 13:36.28 | Nyle | hey they released a new ubuntu recently |
| 13:36.37 | Ronin | Nyle: wheee |
| 13:36.40 | Nyle | I've still found no word of ati's new driver that will support aiglx |
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| 13:36.47 | Nyle | it was supposed to be here soemtime in october |
| 13:36.59 | Nyle | those assholes, those lying assholes at amd |
| 13:37.07 | techouse | you guys are just great! tnx for all your help! |
| 13:37.15 | wols | Nyle: why did you expect otherwise? |
| 13:37.24 | Nyle | wols: I like to hope |
| 13:37.33 | wols | you are a fool :P |
| 13:37.35 | Nyle | mostly because I'm human and I'm a victim |
| 13:37.36 | Nyle | or that |
| 13:37.41 | Ronin | Nyle: lying? possibly but more likely shite happens and things ran late |
| 13:37.53 | Nyle | Ronin: i know, it was supposed to be rhetorical |
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| 13:39.10 | Nyle | don't get me wrong, I don't want aiglx so I can get all the snazzy 3d desktop, I just want it so I can have it, and in case I need to show off to my nephews.. you know and etc. stuff |
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| 13:43.46 | Koh_ | hi! , how can i cp a folder and keep his symbolic links ? |
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| 13:44.12 | OBcecado | wols: sid |
| 13:44.32 | wols | !tell OBcecado about nvidia oneliner |
| 13:44.37 | OBcecado | ty |
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| 13:45.03 | Eulex | Koh_, --preserve=link, perhaps? |
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| 13:46.50 | xand | how can I change resolution within X? wine crashed and didn't change the resolution back to what it was :| |
| 13:47.00 | Eulex | xand, xrandr |
| 13:47.10 | Eulex | or 'your nick + 2 r's' |
| 13:47.29 | xand | lol |
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| 13:47.46 | lvh | hi |
| 13:48.00 | lvh | does anyone know any programs that take the text out of a pdf file and feed it to stdout? |
| 13:48.09 | lvh | I want to do a wc -l on a paper i've written |
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| 13:48.11 | Eulex | xand, that way you'll remember it, at least :P |
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| 13:48.59 | xand | xrandr --fb 1680x1050 should work? |
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| 13:49.20 | xand | oh, -s |
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| 13:49.49 | null_ | Hello, I have a dude, I use gmail with google apps with the same pop account with three persons, how can I share this account to the three different people can receive the same email all time instead of if one download first, the second and three does not see that email, any ideas? I use thunderbird |
| 13:49.54 | Eulex | xand, --fb would work if your driver is randr 1.2 capable |
| 13:50.14 | xand | null_: you "have a dude"? |
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| 13:50.39 | null_ | xand: yes, what's wrong? My english is not good |
| 13:50.52 | null_ | dude is incorrect then? |
| 13:50.52 | xand | that makes no sense, no idea what you mean |
| 13:51.03 | null_ | I have a 'question' then |
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| 13:51.26 | techouse | hmm...ok....now i managed to mount sda1 but sda2 gives me an error: |
| 13:51.27 | techouse | Failed to mount '/dev/sda2': Invalid argument |
| 13:51.28 | techouse | The device '/dev/sda2' doesn't have a valid NTFS. |
| 13:51.28 | techouse | Maybe you selected the wrong device? Or the whole disk instead of a |
| 13:51.28 | techouse | partition (e.g. /dev/hda, not /dev/hda1)? Or the other way around? |
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| 13:52.00 | xand | Eulex: I'm using the free radeon one as the fglrx one sucks |
| 13:54.01 | Eulex | xand, I'd like to too, but unfortunately the free radeon driver locks up X so I have to reboot after running anything that uses 3d acceleration after 10-15 minutes. |
| 13:54.23 | Eulex | xand, in any case, neither of those drivers support randr 1.2 |
| 13:54.28 | xand | if I use the other one, wine won't run games in widescreen mode and mythtv doesn't work |
| 13:54.34 | xand | I see |
| 13:54.38 | null_ | xand: what is 'dude' in english? |
| 13:54.54 | xand | erm |
| 13:55.02 | Eulex | null_, 'guy', approximately |
| 13:55.08 | nooblar100 | slacker guy. |
| 13:55.19 | lhadji | stoner friend |
| 13:55.42 | xand | "A cool person of either sex." says wiktionary, or just a guy |
| 13:55.52 | nooblar100 | historically a dude had some thing to do with cattle ranching |
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| 13:56.19 | null_ | a sorry, it is my 'false friend' foreing language called 'duda in spanish' sorry |
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| 13:57.04 | aguaithefreak | what's the different between Open-WRT & Debian at all? |
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| 13:57.53 | xand | aguaithefreak: openwrt is a distro for routers |
| 13:58.05 | xand | (though I run debian on my router :D) |
| 13:59.00 | h3sp4wn | aguaithefreak: depends what you w |
| 13:59.25 | h3sp4wn | aguaithefreak: depends what you want - openwrt on the olpc boots in 20 seconds and runs like lightning (Debian not so fast) |
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| 14:02.59 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. what is the debian newsgroup server? lists.debian.org right? thunderbird can't find it somehow.. |
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| 14:08.04 | stew | fuzzy_logic: i don't know of a debian newsgroup server |
| 14:08.23 | stew | fuzzy_logic: lists.debian.org is where the mailing lists are |
| 14:08.42 | fuzzy_logic | stew: oh.. lol.. but that mailing list.. how do i set it up in thunderbird? |
| 14:09.01 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: you subscribe |
| 14:09.12 | abrotman | but some of the mailing lists are copied as newsgroups |
| 14:09.19 | fuzzy_logic | oh |
| 14:09.34 | fuzzy_logic | and it just comes in my inbox.. ok |
| 14:09.36 | fuzzy_logic | thanks |
| 14:09.39 | Ronin | fuzzy_logic: theres debian news groups though if thats what your lookign for |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?lnk=srgmb&q=debian |
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| 14:15.36 | Leonidas | I have a problem with setting up unionfs on my root device with a tmpfs overlay. has anybody here ever tried it? |
| 14:15.45 | techouse | ok....for some reason my ntfs partition sda1 mounts ok and sda2 refuses |
| 14:16.48 | techouse | omg....it got renamed to sda5 |
| 14:16.49 | techouse | :P |
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| 14:20.18 | __patric__ | Any good way to get xorgcfg in lenny? |
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| 14:21.28 | wols | !tell __patric__ about drxx |
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| 14:22.39 | nooblar100 | !tell nooblar100 about drxx |
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| 14:23.10 | lvh | does anyone know any programs that take the text out of a pdf file and feed it to stdout? |
| 14:23.12 | wols | !tell nooblar100 about selftell |
| 14:23.15 | lvh | I want to do a wc -l on a paper i've written |
| 14:23.50 | lvh | or a normal wc even |
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| 14:24.13 | lvh | i've checked and even adobe's acroread doesnt have that functio |
| 14:24.19 | __patric__ | I have 3 displays, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to see but one, xorg -configure gets more than 1 display, but its screwed up enough that it locks the machine hard, I was thinking, and therefore asking, if I could configure x with xorgcfg, then it would work just fine |
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| 14:24.39 | OBcecado | hello |
| 14:24.55 | OBcecado | someobdy told me the nvidia one liner, to install nvidia-glx |
| 14:25.07 | OBcecado | but it says nvidia-kernal can't be installed |
| 14:25.49 | wols | OBcecado: maybe you should read ALL of it |
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| 14:28.36 | abrotman | or he's using etch ? |
| 14:28.39 | abrotman | erm .. lenny |
| 14:28.49 | OBcecado | i'm using sid |
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| 14:30.08 | valdyn | lvh: i can see pdf2ps and ps2asci and ps2txt |
| 14:30.43 | OBcecado | the package depends on linux-image-2.6.18.4 but i have 2.6.22 running |
| 14:30.52 | OBcecado | could this be a problem ? |
| 14:30.59 | wols | OBcecado: yes |
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| 14:31.14 | wols | OBcecado: this package is not what you want. how about reading the full factoid? |
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| 14:32.17 | OBcecado | the problem is within (older) dependencies |
| 14:32.21 | Borbus | How can I get the latest irssi from sid in etch? |
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| 14:32.42 | valdyn | Borbus: have you looked at backports.org ? |
| 14:32.57 | wols | OBcecado: no it's not. not unless you run a current sid |
| 14:33.00 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, is there a way to run without udev ? |
| 14:33.06 | wols | rubymonk: yes |
| 14:33.09 | Borbus | Not yet.. |
| 14:33.22 | rubymonk | wols, Just uninstalling it, right ? |
| 14:33.25 | valdyn | !backport |
| 14:33.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 14:33.38 | wols | rubymonk: or not running it |
| 14:33.53 | rubymonk | wols, Will fuse still run without it ? |
| 14:34.07 | L0cKn | Can anyone past me my join? |
| 14:34.17 | L0cKn | :O |
| 14:34.19 | rubymonk | * L0cKn (n=Luca@unaffiliated/l0ckn) has joined #debian |
| 14:34.21 | wols | rubymonk: afaik yes |
| 14:34.25 | L0cKn | Ty rubymonk |
| 14:34.26 | L0cKn | ;) |
| 14:34.26 | rubymonk | Right, thanks |
| 14:34.33 | war | anyone know how to make acrobat reader 8.1 (acroread) open multiple PDF's using one window in Linux? 8.0->8.1 changed something, whenever I open PDF's now it opens it in multiple windows? |
| 14:34.37 | rubymonk | udev messed up my network config :P |
| 14:34.47 | amphi | L0cKn: yes, you are wearing a stylish cloak |
| 14:34.48 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 14:34.48 | dpkg | well, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 14:34.49 | Leonidas | lvh: there is some poppler library for that |
| 14:34.53 | OBcecado | wols: well, where can i read about that ? |
| 14:34.54 | wols | war: what debian has acrobat reader? |
| 14:34.55 | valdyn | rubymonk: read ^^ |
| 14:35.01 | L0cKn | amphi: :-D |
| 14:35.06 | wols | OBcecado: in the damn factoid, where else? |
| 14:35.09 | Leonidas | lvh: *poppler program |
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| 14:35.16 | L0cKn | amphi: ahahhaah :) |
| 14:35.21 | cored | in which package i can find the command getopt |
| 14:35.21 | cored | ? |
| 14:35.26 | wols | OBcecado: what are you actually doing and why? what commandline(s) are you typing? |
| 14:35.40 | wols | cored: there is no such command afaik |
| 14:35.41 | rubymonk | valdyn, Right, thanks, I don't need it anyways, so running a daemon for like... nothing... uninstalling. :) |
| 14:35.55 | wols | cored: mea culpa. there is |
| 14:36.00 | wols | cored: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:36.02 | cored | wols: well, the php5-xsd package gave me an error |
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| 14:36.20 | cored | wols: it saids that /usr/bin/utc in line 330 dosen't find the comand getopt |
| 14:36.29 | cored | wols: i thought getopt was in util-linux but i have that package installed |
| 14:36.43 | wols | it is. |
| 14:36.52 | wols | and maybe you broke it somehow? |
| 14:36.53 | cored | hm |
| 14:37.04 | xand | or path |
| 14:37.06 | cored | don't think let me try to re installed |
| 14:37.20 | Borbus | I already have irssi from etch.. so how do I update that to the backports one? If I do apt-get -t etch-backports install irssi it just says it is already installed |
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| 14:37.30 | wols | xand: breaking the path to /usr/bin is kinda noticeable :) |
| 14:37.46 | wols | Borbus: read the backports.org isntrcutions. they're there for a reason |
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| 14:37.56 | Borbus | I did.. |
| 14:37.57 | CactusMD | anyone ever have this happen to them? http://pastebin.ca/743510 |
| 14:38.04 | wols | Borbus: no you did not or you wouldn't ask |
| 14:38.05 | Borbus | Actually I think backports only has 0.8.10 anyway |
| 14:38.08 | Borbus | Same as etch |
| 14:38.13 | Borbus | sid has 0.8.12 |
| 14:38.29 | cored | it seems that the package i had was a meta-package or something like that |
| 14:38.30 | __patric__ | Any good way to get xorgcfg in lenny? |
| 14:38.30 | valdyn | !tell CactusMD -about ask |
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| 14:38.36 | cored | because it dosen't have any comamnd in it |
| 14:38.42 | s-andy | hi, I have a problem with compiz: |
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| 14:38.45 | s-andy | GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering. |
| 14:38.53 | s-andy | GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is available with indirect rendering. |
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| 14:39.02 | valdyn | s-andy: that's ok |
| 14:39.04 | s-andy | I assume this is a kind of known problem, isn't it? |
| 14:39.05 | valdyn | s-andy: its not a problem |
| 14:39.09 | wols | __patric__: why do you need it? I told you what to use |
| 14:39.12 | valdyn | s-andy: its not even a problem |
| 14:39.21 | valdyn | s-andy: its a feature |
| 14:39.26 | valdyn | !aiglx |
| 14:39.26 | dpkg | aiglx is probably an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ... |
| 14:39.31 | CactusMD | valdyn: can't upgrade hal |
| 14:39.54 | Borbus | So.. it seems the only way to get irssi 0.8.12 on etch is by compiling it..? |
| 14:40.04 | valdyn | Borbus: its a good way |
| 14:40.08 | valdyn | Borbus: and an easy way |
| 14:40.08 | wols | Borbus: simple sid backport |
| 14:40.21 | Borbus | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/irssi/ |
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| 14:40.26 | Borbus | It's only 0.8.10 |
| 14:40.44 | wols | Borbus: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:40.44 | Borbus | Same one that's in etch anyway |
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| 14:41.27 | Borbus | So there is 0.8.12 in backports? Where? |
| 14:41.30 | s-andy | valdyn: I use ATI open source driver... |
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| 14:41.49 | valdyn | s-andy: i would like to know what you real problem is, that message is not |
| 14:42.06 | s-andy | valdyn: and seems this kind of ATI card works perfectly on some other distros |
| 14:42.18 | valdyn | s-andy: nice for you |
| 14:42.22 | s-andy | valdyn: oh... no menu bar |
| 14:42.43 | valdyn | s-andy: menu bar? |
| 14:42.43 | s-andy | valdyn: you think? :) |
| 14:42.50 | Borbus | Anyway, when I tried to compile irssi it said it couldn't find GLIB even though I already installed libglib-dev |
| 14:42.53 | wols | valdyn: missing window decorations |
| 14:42.54 | s-andy | valdyn: sorry... :) title bar |
| 14:43.01 | valdyn | wols: guess that's what he means |
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| 14:43.12 | s-andy | valdyn: no title bars in all windows |
| 14:43.19 | s-andy | valdyn: kde |
| 14:43.21 | valdyn | s-andy: no idea sorry, few people had this problem and i could not fix it |
| 14:43.35 | valdyn | s-andy: but i *know* that its totally unrelated to that message you pasted first |
| 14:43.50 | wols | s-andy: and we also know your compiz is working |
| 14:44.07 | s-andy | valdyn: I see... |
| 14:44.26 | wols | s-andy: is compiz-gnome installed? |
| 14:44.28 | s-andy | valdyn: can you recommend some channel or resource where people can solve this? |
| 14:44.48 | valdyn | s-andy: fyi: aiglx means 'Accelerated _Indirect_ GLX |
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| 14:44.57 | valdyn | s-andy: hence that message |
| 14:44.58 | s-andy | wols: yes... |
| 14:45.00 | Borbus | Is this a deb-src line for sid: deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free ? |
| 14:45.08 | s-andy | wols: and compiz-kde |
| 14:45.26 | juhoz1024 | Hi everyone. I currently have Windows XP and a very old version of Debian GNU/Linux installed on my computer with GNU GRUB as the boot loader. I want to reinstall Debian, I've downloaded the businesscard CD-ROM image. I've already booted from the CD-ROM, but I'm not sure how to partition the disks. What I really want is to reformat the two partitions currently used by Debian, root and swap. Will the installer recognize that I already hav |
| 14:45.29 | valdyn | Borbus: yes |
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| 14:45.59 | CactusMD | anyone have any idea why hal is acting up? |
| 14:46.11 | valdyn | s-andy: this title bar is a plugin as any other functionality in compiz |
| 14:46.33 | valdyn | s-andy: you have to get your plugins in order, so dependencies fit. That's all i know really |
| 14:46.34 | CactusMD | i thought it was because of dbus, but even when i started dbus the same thing happened it just stops at starting hald |
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| 14:47.19 | valdyn | s-andy: that plugin can also be started with 'gtk-window-decration' or 'kde-window-decoration', none of which might fix your issue though |
| 14:47.39 | valdyn | s-andy: err, decorator for each, not decoration |
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| 14:48.03 | wols | juhoz1024: you can delete the partitions from the debian isntaller and recreate them if you want |
| 14:48.06 | Borbus | So.. now I've done my own backport of irssi.. can I put that in the backports repo? |
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| 14:48.33 | Narada | hi in the sources list deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib what does the contrib mean and do i need it? |
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| 14:48.38 | wols | Borbus: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
| 14:48.45 | wols | !contrib |
| 14:48.45 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 14:49.05 | juhoz1024 | wols: Reformatting them would be roughly the same, I don't want to resize the partitions. The installer won't install another GRUB, right? |
| 14:49.16 | Narada | !non-free |
| 14:49.17 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:49.24 | Borbus | I am surprised nobody has already done irssi tbh |
| 14:49.26 | wols | juhoz1024: no it can't. you will only have one grub, no worries |
| 14:49.33 | juhoz1024 | wols: Thanks. |
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| 14:49.43 | mike1o | im installing a parallel system on a box where a debian installation is already present... should I install grub? |
| 14:49.51 | valdyn | Borbus: backports.org is useful for packages that you cant trivially backport yourself |
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| 14:50.06 | Borbus | Ahh |
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| 14:50.13 | wols | mike1o: depends. keeping both debians in sync will be a bitch either way |
| 14:50.25 | Borbus | I guess it was trivial but I wouldn't have known without instructions |
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| 14:50.33 | wols | e.g keeping kernels for both properly in your menu.lst |
| 14:50.37 | valdyn | Borbus: true |
| 14:50.44 | s-andy | valdyn: well... thank you very much! I believe the info you gave me will help me much |
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| 14:51.03 | s-andy | valdyn: going to google :) |
| 14:51.07 | Borbus | Then again, I wouldn't have known about backports anyway |
| 14:51.09 | Narada | you guys use contrib and non-free? |
| 14:51.18 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 14:51.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:51.19 | Narada | which pkgs do you use from there as example |
| 14:51.24 | wols | Narada: do you need something from those repos? |
| 14:51.27 | Narada | lol |
| 14:51.32 | mike1o | wols, won't grub detect the new 32bit system? (the other one is amd64) |
| 14:51.33 | valdyn | Narada: polls are offtopic |
| 14:51.33 | wols | !tell Narada about polls |
| 14:51.38 | wols | mike1o: no |
| 14:51.44 | Narada | wols: just configuring my apt sources it got screwed somehow |
| 14:51.51 | wols | mike1o: at most it will do a chainloading of the partition |
| 14:51.57 | Narada | asking a question is offtopic? |
| 14:52.06 | Narada | that's very debian like :) |
| 14:52.07 | wols | taking a poll very much is |
| 14:52.11 | valdyn | Narada: polling is off topic |
| 14:52.17 | Narada | yeah i gather that :) |
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| 14:52.52 | valdyn | !tell Narada -about popcon |
| 14:52.54 | mike1o | wols, so isn't it better NOT to install grub on the new installation? |
| 14:53.06 | ladydoor | Hi folks...I was wondering whether there was a way to specify in fstab (or some other appropriate spot) that when I insert a USB storage device, I'd like it automounted? Is it safe/possible to do something similar for removal (I doubt it). I mean, it's not a lot of work to manually enter the u/mount commands, but it's one of those nice little things I'd like... |
| 14:53.09 | wols | mike1o: there is no definitive answer |
| 14:53.28 | abrotman | ladydoor: there are other bits to do that |
| 14:53.30 | Narada | valdyn: cool |
| 14:53.36 | abrotman | ladydoor: the umount is a bit trickier |
| 14:53.43 | ladydoor | abrotman: I figured as much :-) |
| 14:53.46 | wols | mike1o: you will have to install your grub in a certain way and have a 2 stage bootmenu for one of your installs or you have to keep your menu.lst in sync on your own. your choice |
| 14:53.49 | abrotman | if you mount it 'sync' .. it *might* be okay to just tear it out |
| 14:53.58 | valdyn | ladydoor: that really is done automagically, by various automounting tools |
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| 14:54.22 | mike1o | wols, on the old install grub is installed |
| 14:54.27 | valdyn | ladydoor: but it's not safe unless you have ways to ensure that all data that needs to be written out is written out already |
| 14:54.38 | ladydoor | valdyn: Yeah...the only one I know of, though, is GNOME-dependent (GNOME volume manager) I'd rather not mess with that |
| 14:54.39 | OBcecado | thanks for the help, bye |
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| 14:54.46 | valdyn | !ivman |
| 14:54.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ivman is an alternative to gnome-volume-manager that uses dbus and hal to be notified (upon other things) about when volumes are attached and detached allowing you to auto-mount or run scripts. http://ivman.sf.net. |
| 14:55.08 | ladydoor | valdyn: Yeah...I can hold off on the detach thing. Oh, hm. Thanks! |
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| 14:55.31 | Shifty | hey there, where can i find ati drivers for rage pro turbo? |
| 14:55.43 | wols | Shifty: debian comes with them already |
| 14:55.51 | Borbus | If I am running irssi atm.. is it safe to install the deb of my new backport and then restart irssi..? |
| 14:55.53 | Shifty | so how can i activate them? |
| 14:56.01 | valdyn | Borbus: sure |
| 14:56.04 | wols | Shifty: driver "ati" |
| 14:56.09 | Shifty | k |
| 14:56.38 | __patric__ | how do I achieve the equvilent of apt-cache search for sid, without having a machine with sid installed |
| 14:56.41 | Borbus | You use dpkg to install debs right..? |
| 14:56.50 | valdyn | !tell __patric__ -about pdo |
| 14:56.51 | wols | !tell __patric__ about search |
| 14:57.05 | Shifty | wols, great thx! |
| 14:57.09 | Borbus | dpkg -i package.deb.. |
| 14:57.32 | Borbus | lol |
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| 14:58.33 | Shifty | wols now i have only a resolution of 1024x768 how can i change that? |
| 14:58.44 | wols | !tell Shifty about drxx |
| 14:58.45 | valdyn | Shifty: try xrandr |
| 14:58.56 | Shifty | k |
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| 15:02.28 | __patric__ | nobody has any thoughts on installing xorgcfg on lenny? |
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| 15:03.16 | wols | __patric__: asking the same ever quarter of an hour won't get you an answer if the program simply doesn't exist in debian |
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| 15:03.22 | wols | !wayttd __patric__ |
| 15:03.22 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, __patric__? |
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| 15:04.10 | nooblar100 | assuming xorgcfg is part of xorg. you could get the source and compile it yourself. |
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| 15:04.31 | techouse | i just installed OOo 2.3 using dpkg -i *.deb and i can't see any OpenOffice.org things under office.... |
| 15:04.44 | techouse | help? |
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| 15:04.58 | wols | techouse: why dpkg? and Ooo from what source? |
| 15:05.11 | techouse | from the main site |
| 15:05.19 | techouse | the deb source |
| 15:05.32 | techouse | why? cause I had to remove it |
| 15:05.43 | techouse | it was confronting with something |
| 15:05.45 | techouse | some bug |
| 15:05.59 | wols | techouse: sid has ooo 2.2 it seems. so where did you get 2.3? |
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| 15:06.39 | stew | __patric__: afaik, xorgcfg is deprecated. i don't thing upstream ships it anymore. have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? |
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| 15:06.46 | craigevil | Oo.org has .deb packages and 2.3 is in experimental if your crazy enough to install from there |
| 15:07.16 | __patric__ | I am trying to configure 3 displays for xorg, and leave out a forth onboard video card, this worked Xorg -configure, with the removal of the fourth card performed manually on the xorg.conf file, now Xorg -configure gives me an xorg.conf file that when used locks my system, it doesn't seem to be a suitable starting point for hand configuring either |
| 15:07.19 | wols | craigevil: oo.org is not a #debian problem if their packages don't support debian's menu |
| 15:07.20 | techouse | well...yeah...i downloaded them from http://en.openoffice.org |
| 15:07.26 | nooblar100 | also "vi /etx/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 15:07.37 | nooblar100 | "/etc" |
| 15:07.39 | techouse | it says it's stable |
| 15:07.53 | stew | techouse: ask #openoffice.org then |
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| 15:07.55 | wols | techouse: then ask them, not us. debian doesn't say it's stable |
| 15:08.16 | __patric__ | yes I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and it only wants to deal with one card, and of course it detects the onboard card |
| 15:08.37 | stew | __patric__: yes if you are dealing with multiple cards, you can't use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:08.42 | techouse | ok...just thouht you knew |
| 15:08.43 | wols | multiscreen setups need manual editing __patric__ |
| 15:08.45 | __patric__ | thanks stew |
| 15:08.52 | stew | __patric__: which video driver(s) are you using? |
| 15:08.59 | techouse | what's the cmd shortcut for openoffice writer? |
| 15:09.21 | stew | techouse: shortcut? oowriter is the name of the command |
| 15:09.27 | techouse | ok |
| 15:09.34 | __patric__ | matrox ati and cirrus |
| 15:09.35 | stew | techouse: (dpkg -L pkgname | grep bin) |
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| 15:10.17 | stew | __patric__: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:11.50 | __patric__ | brb |
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| 15:12.46 | techouse | oowriter not found |
| 15:12.48 | techouse | :P |
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| 15:17.54 | Shifty | hey, i have configured my xserver with res of 1280x1024 but i only get 1024x768... how can i fix that? |
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| 15:18.30 | techouse | works now |
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| 15:18.31 | craigevil | techouse: try ooffice -writer |
| 15:18.54 | techouse | i forgot to dpkg the desktop-integration folder contents |
| 15:19.00 | Narada | what's a very lightweight easy to use dns server for a local lan |
| 15:19.10 | xand | Narada: dnsmasq |
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| 15:20.01 | Narada | k |
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| 15:20.19 | logyati | hello |
| 15:20.24 | Shifty | hey, i have configured my xserver with res of 1280x1024 but i only get 1024x768... how can i fix that? |
| 15:20.26 | ___MENINU | IXE.... |
| 15:20.29 | logyati | i just found out my soundcard disappeared |
| 15:20.35 | logyati | from the card list |
| 15:20.38 | ___MENINU | NUM TEM NENHUM BRASILEIRO AKI.... |
| 15:20.44 | xand | english please |
| 15:20.44 | Ronin | !br |
| 15:20.45 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:20.45 | logyati | how do i make the system redetect it? |
| 15:20.52 | ___MENINU | NUM TEM NEM COMO EU TC. |
| 15:21.13 | techouse | omg! it looks like shit....the fots look like bricks |
| 15:21.20 | Shifty | stfu ___MENINU |
| 15:21.25 | techouse | i hope i can change it to tahoma |
| 15:21.33 | xand | logyati: does the bios detect it? |
| 15:21.35 | techouse | fonts* |
| 15:21.37 | ___MENINU | DIGA |
| 15:21.39 | logyati | yes |
| 15:21.50 | logyati | its my laptop sound... |
| 15:21.50 | xand | what doesn't? lspci? |
| 15:22.03 | logyati | its hdad |
| 15:22.04 | ___MENINU | O PROPLEMA EH ACHAR "BR" |
| 15:22.12 | Ronin | !tell ___MENINU about br |
| 15:22.24 | ___MENINU | EU SEI |
| 15:22.30 | logyati | snd_hda_intel module |
| 15:22.35 | logyati | its all up |
| 15:22.38 | xand | !shouting |
| 15:22.38 | dpkg | i heard shouting is typing in ALL CAPS. It is considered rude and will likely not get a useful response. |
| 15:22.43 | logyati | but i cant see the card in the list |
| 15:23.05 | xand | what list? |
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| 15:23.09 | logyati | i mean gnome list |
| 15:23.12 | xand | shopping list? :P |
| 15:23.46 | Shifty | !xorg |
| 15:23.46 | dpkg | methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
| 15:24.04 | Shifty | !drxx |
| 15:24.04 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 15:26.01 | ladydoor | valdyn: Okay, I've been working on configuring ivman, but can't really see what the problem with the current config is (it's still not mounting, though there's a line specifying that anything mountable should be mounted)... |
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| 15:26.51 | CharminTheMoose | how do i get wget to not attempt to get a .listing file on a ftp server? |
| 15:27.12 | stew | ladydoor: can you as root, run "/etc/init.d/ivman stop ; ivman --nofork --debug" then plugin your device, and pastebin the output of ivman? (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
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| 15:27.28 | Shifty | if i configure my xserver with 1280x1024 i get 1280x800 .... how can i fix that?!? |
| 15:27.56 | stew | Shifty: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:28.05 | Shifty | k |
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| 15:31.03 | Shifty | http://pastebin.com/d3f23d74 |
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| 15:31.18 | jcwong | I can't call up my firefox and openoffice menu after dist upgrade for sid today, any packages broke it? |
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| 15:31.35 | valdyn | jcwong: check the bts |
| 15:31.58 | Shifty | stew my Xorg.0.log file ----> http://pastebin.com/d3f23d74 |
| 15:31.59 | mumbles | has anyone run into a problem using nvida drivers in lenny ? |
| 15:32.15 | jcwong | valdyn: sorry, what's the url? |
| 15:32.21 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 15:32.21 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 15:32.22 | valdyn | !bts |
| 15:32.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:32.56 | ladydoor | valdyn: Hm. No output at all when I plug it in (done after it prints "Entering main loop" and waits) |
| 15:33.48 | mumbles | how difficult is it to go back to etch from leny ? |
| 15:34.13 | valdyn | mumbles: harder than a reinstall |
| 15:34.17 | mumbles | :( |
| 15:34.23 | mumbles | hope i can get x to work then |
| 15:34.39 | valdyn | !tell mumbles -about ask |
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| 15:35.30 | valdyn | ladydoor: anything in dmesg when you plug or unplug that device? |
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| 15:37.25 | corran | any guess as to when a fix for evdev (unstable) will hit apt? |
| 15:37.37 | ladydoor | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m2d473e45 |
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| 15:38.32 | mumbles | ok - a question - i have debian lenny installed via an apt-get distupgrade after i rebooted my X session cacked itself , tried to use old xorg.conf details but still no luck. |
| 15:38.43 | blj | how do i install mod_cache for apache2 using apt-get ? |
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| 15:39.34 | valdyn | ladydoor: see system sees it but ivman does not? |
| 15:39.38 | ladydoor | mumbles: in the section "Device" what does it say is your "Driver"? |
| 15:39.43 | ladydoor | valdyn: It would appear that way. |
| 15:39.48 | valdyn | ladydoor: i don't really know ivman, stew would |
| 15:39.49 | mumbles | nvidia |
| 15:40.12 | ladydoor | mumbles: Change it to nv. You won't have 3D-graphics acceleration, but you'll be able to start X |
| 15:40.41 | mumbles | have done that one - still get fatal server error no screens found |
| 15:40.47 | valdyn | !no screens found |
| 15:40.47 | dpkg | screens found is, like, not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X.org) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 15:40.49 | ladydoor | mumbles: If you would like, I can help you set up the NVIDIA driver to work again after you're in X, but it won't be from the Debian repos. |
| 15:40.52 | ladydoor | mumbles: Oh. |
| 15:41.10 | mike1o | I installed an alternate 32bit system on a supplemental hard disk but I can't find the corresponding initrd.img files |
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| 15:41.15 | glkasleg | I'm on a network course, learning network. One of the tasks is to install Windows 2003 server. I want to install Debian server instead. Where do I find a good howto to install a debian server as a domain controller, with dns and dhcp? |
| 15:41.25 | mike1o | ... in /boot/ |
| 15:41.33 | ladydoor | mumbles: Would you paste the "Screen" section and the "ServerLayout" section of your config to pastebin? |
| 15:41.34 | mumbles | ladydoor: it probably is th nvida drivers - will have to recomiple i think |
| 15:42.17 | ladydoor | mumbles: Yeah, but nv should work regardless. |
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| 15:42.40 | mumbles | ladydoor: strange thing is that th screen section is exacltey the same as it was under etch . |
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| 15:43.35 | ladydoor | mumbles: Hm. That is weird. |
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| 15:43.58 | ladydoor | valdyn: Thanks for your help! |
| 15:44.21 | valdyn | ladydoor: welcome |
| 15:45.48 | Shifty | how much vram do i need for a resolution of 1280x1024??? |
| 15:45.53 | logyati | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.00 | valdyn | Shifty: not much |
| 15:46.10 | valdyn | Shifty: do you like have a 10 year old gfx card? |
| 15:46.12 | logyati | please help |
| 15:46.15 | Shifty | i have onboard set to 16mb |
| 15:46.19 | Shifty | but it wont work :( |
| 15:46.31 | xerophyte | with vim can you able to comment a block of links .. |
| 15:46.31 | Shifty | rage turbo or something ^^ |
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| 15:46.49 | xerophyte | i mean i want to put # front of around 100 lines ? |
| 15:47.14 | logyati | guys please |
| 15:47.22 | logyati | need a little attention here |
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| 15:47.25 | Shifty | valdyn: rage pro turbo |
| 15:47.27 | logyati | its easy for ya |
| 15:47.31 | logyati | is there a way to RESET the sound configuration and let the system redetect it? |
| 15:47.36 | valdyn | logyati: quit whining |
| 15:47.36 | ladydoor | xerophyte: I don't know, but with emacs, in shell-script mode, you can highlight the region, press M-; and be done with it :-) |
| 15:47.47 | valdyn | logyati: what's your real issue |
| 15:47.54 | jcwong | corran: evdev? |
| 15:48.05 | logyati | my sound card just doesnt work animore |
| 15:48.05 | corran | jcwong: evdev is hosed in unstable |
| 15:48.18 | logyati | its detected, but no mixer |
| 15:48.22 | corran | jcwong: (as in xorg-evdev) |
| 15:48.35 | valdyn | Shifty: 1024*1280*4 bytes for one screen, that's not much |
| 15:48.45 | logyati | i need to know how to reset the soundcard detection and do it again |
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| 15:48.59 | Shifty | ok |
| 15:49.03 | jcwong | corran: oh! i tho' evdev is broken as in sid :) |
| 15:49.17 | xingu | xerophyte: :%s/.*$/#&/ |
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| 15:49.36 | valdyn | logyati: why are you asking for a solution that you have no idea about, instead of giving detailed information about the _real_ issue you are having? |
| 15:49.44 | roldyx_ | i need connect gift with ares... but.. i need update nodes list |
| 15:50.07 | Shifty | so 16mb should be enough... |
| 15:50.10 | xingu | xerophyte: that's the whole document; for a range, go to the start line and use ma, then go to the end, and use :.,'as/.*/#&/ |
| 15:50.14 | roldyx_ | someboby have nodes file? |
| 15:50.15 | Shifty | but y log says no valdyn |
| 15:50.23 | corran | jcwong: yeah, the bug on it is about 30days old |
| 15:50.30 | valdyn | Shifty: Xorg.0.log usually has an error message if something doesnt work |
| 15:50.47 | corran | so I was hoping that someone was going to ride in on their white horse and fix my mouse |
| 15:50.48 | h3sp4wn | corran: What is your problem (mine is that it works fine but only hardcoding) |
| 15:50.52 | xerophyte | xingu: thx |
| 15:50.54 | xingu | xerophyte: actually you need to go to the end of the range and use ma, then the start and :.,'as/.*#&/ |
| 15:51.03 | h3sp4wn | corran: Using Phys etc makes it not work |
| 15:51.04 | Shifty | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d3f23d74 |
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| 15:51.27 | ladydoor | mumbles: Just to double-check, is xserver-xorg-video-nv installed? |
| 15:51.29 | corran | h3sp4wn: what does your Phys line look like? |
| 15:51.55 | Shifty | valdyn: no EE but very much II and WW :D |
| 15:52.05 | xingu | xerophyte: same deal though. just start address needs to be less than end, with range search/replace (.,'a is a range between .==cursor and 'a==mark "a") |
| 15:52.06 | corran | ePvdev: cannot open device style errors |
| 15:52.08 | logyati | valdyn, ok, the real information then... today i was using my computer and i decided to install a new system... the same i used before (sound worked). i did it, but i realised that the sound isnt working... i have a laptop acer 5050-3233. This laptop has a soundcard and modem... the system always detected both of them as soundcards, then i just selected my real one inside gnome and everything worked fine... but now, i cant see the real sound card in the g |
| 15:52.09 | logyati | nome sound options, just conexant 2bfa |
| 15:52.11 | jcwong | corran: you talking about xserver-xorg-input-evdev right? |
| 15:52.16 | corran | jcwong: yes |
| 15:52.26 | corran | there is already a bug |
| 15:52.40 | h3sp4wn | corran: Option "Phys" "usb-*/input0" |
| 15:52.42 | valdyn | Shifty: i think "(II) ATI(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (insufficient memory for mode)" is as clear as it can get |
| 15:52.49 | jcwong | corran: i can't call up my firefox and OO menu now. |
| 15:52.54 | logyati | valdyn, gnome sound system... just see conexant 2fba blabla |
| 15:52.58 | valdyn | Shifty: so give it more memory if you can |
| 15:53.04 | jcwong | corran: is this the package causes it? |
| 15:53.13 | corran | jcwong: yes |
| 15:53.22 | Shifty | i had 4 now i have 16... that should be enugh ... not? |
| 15:53.23 | logyati | valdyn, i was thinking if there is a way to reset all cards configuration and redetect it |
| 15:53.26 | h3sp4wn | corran: Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0" (that instead allows it to work but its pretty pointless as if I swap any usbs around etc) |
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| 15:53.54 | jcwong | corran: ok, thks |
| 15:53.57 | logyati | valdyn, this is the pastebin from my system sound http://pastebin.ca/743544 |
| 15:54.03 | valdyn | logyati: you cant see the real sound card in the what? your text was to long |
| 15:54.10 | logyati | valdyn, now i think u have enough information |
| 15:54.28 | logyati | valdyn, i cant see the real soundcard in gnome sound options, to choose it |
| 15:54.42 | logyati | valdyn, i just see conexant 2bfs (this is the modem) |
| 15:54.57 | h3sp4wn | corran: (could be I just don't understand glob though |
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| 15:55.17 | valdyn | logyati: please list which sound cards you see there |
| 15:55.24 | valdyn | logyati: just abbreviated |
| 15:55.27 | corran | jcwong: bug 443292 |
| 15:55.57 | logyati | valdyn, i see only conexant ID 2bfa (OSS MIXER) |
| 15:56.10 | valdyn | logyati: no 'alsa' ? |
| 15:56.15 | corran | jcwong: yeah, I didn't want to go the depricated Device route |
| 15:57.03 | sparr | today is the first time ive ever run out of space on /boot |
| 15:57.22 | logyati | valdyn, i only see this soundcard in default mixer option... the options above this i have "auto-detect" and "alsa - adv..." |
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| 15:57.34 | jcwong | corran: any temporary solution to fix it at the moment. |
| 15:57.46 | logyati | valdyn, when everything is working fine, i can see 2 soundcards in default mixer |
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| 15:59.05 | valdyn | logyati: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav gives sound? |
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| 16:01.37 | logyati | valdyn, no, no soud |
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| 16:02.17 | logyati | valdyn, when i type alsamixer, i get alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
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| 16:03.13 | valdyn | logyati: 'modprobe -r snd-hda-intel' |
| 16:03.58 | valdyn | logyati: or you can bruteforce this via /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload ; /etc/init.d/udev stop ; /etc/init.d/udev start, doesn't reall find your issue though |
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| 16:05.29 | mumbles | ladydoor: yeh |
| 16:05.44 | ladydoor | mumbles: Just checking :-/ |
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| 16:15.23 | techouse | my god! debian is 10x faster than ubuntu |
| 16:15.26 | tenemag | Hi guys... |
| 16:15.44 | tenemag | Got a tricky one that needs solving |
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| 16:16.04 | tenemag | <-- Trying to install Compiz onto a laptop that I am installing Debian onto.. |
| 16:16.36 | tenemag | *supposidly* according to their site it says that it is able to be installed... there are even packages available in apt... |
| 16:16.55 | tenemag | However, it doesn't start because it's missing a libary file that is marked "unstable/sid" but I can't even find that lib file there... |
| 16:17.01 | spx2 | what do I use to play RealMedia ? |
| 16:17.14 | tenemag | apt refuses to upgrade it as well |
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| 16:17.57 | tenemag | any ideas? |
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| 16:18.04 | wols | !any idea |
| 16:18.05 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 16:18.20 | tenemag | hahahahahaha |
| 16:18.23 | reber | !tell me about keymap |
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| 16:18.47 | wols | !tell reber about selftell |
| 16:19.03 | Caelum | spx2: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 16:19.11 | wols | tenemag: obviously you need to ask the owner of that unofficial repo and not us |
| 16:20.11 | wols | Caelum: whhat about helix-player? |
| 16:20.51 | Caelum | or that...the multimedia stuff is worth having anyway |
| 16:21.06 | tenemag | wols: it's not the program... the program works... Debian is refusing to apt-get a library since the latest library is 2.2 and the one that comes default with lenny is 1.8 |
| 16:21.20 | tenemag | and I have *no* clue how to get it to upgrade to 2.2 |
| 16:21.21 | spx2 | Caelum: yes because I need to watch some comedy. |
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| 16:22.01 | wols | tenemag: it's still not debian's problem if unofficial repos have unmet dependencies |
| 16:22.10 | tenemag | http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html |
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| 16:22.43 | tenemag | no no i'm just asking why if you look on debian.org the dependency shows up... says it's marked "sid/unstable" |
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| 16:22.53 | tenemag | however when I add the sid/unstable sources, it can't find it still |
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| 16:23.11 | edulix | hi |
| 16:23.14 | spx2 | Is it okay if I watch a 700mb movie streaming from some URL with mplayer ? |
| 16:23.24 | edulix | anyone knows which command should I use to enable keyboard autorepeat? |
| 16:23.28 | xand | spx2: you don't need our permission :P |
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| 16:23.38 | Caelum | spx2: set a big buffer |
| 16:23.59 | wols | tenemag: what libary exactly? |
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| 16:24.15 | spx2 | xand: I just asked because I figgure I'll produce load on the other side |
| 16:24.23 | spx2 | Caelum: :) how do I do that for mplayer ? |
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| 16:26.31 | tenemag | wols: i'm trying to find that out now.... i'm in windows and i forgot to write down the name... i'll brb in like 3 minutes, just gonna switch over to debian |
| 16:26.36 | S4nD3r | A friend told to use this source deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main that my box will become faster, and this will bring up new gnome too |
| 16:26.41 | S4nD3r | its true? |
| 16:26.53 | xand | S4nD3r: are you using unstable (sid)? |
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| 16:27.01 | wols | S4nD3r: no |
| 16:27.03 | wols | !unstable |
| 16:27.03 | dpkg | methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 16:27.03 | S4nD3r | No |
| 16:27.07 | xand | S4nD3r: don't then |
| 16:27.08 | S4nD3r | Im using etch |
| 16:27.20 | wols | S4nD3r: notice the "break" thing |
| 16:27.22 | Caelum | spx2: umm...don't remember sorry. couldn't really make sense of the man page |
| 16:27.28 | xand | S4nD3r: you shouldn't use that unless you know what you're doing... and it won't make your machine magically faster |
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| 16:27.56 | Shifty | whats whiptail? that process uses 60% of my cpu :( |
| 16:28.10 | S4nD3r | Id like to use new gnome, but its so difficult to install in etch |
| 16:28.46 | xand | whiptail - Displays user-friendly dialog boxes from shell scripts |
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| 16:28.54 | wols | Shifty: man whiptail. most likely a debconf started thing |
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| 16:29.06 | Caelum | spx2: ahh, here it is: http://martin.ankerl.com/2006/06/10/pimp-my-mplayer/ |
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| 16:32.21 | InitialC | everytime i try to upgrade hal i get this message "Failed to connect to socket /usr/local/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory" even if dbus is running |
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| 16:33.43 | wols | InitialC: stop running sid |
| 16:34.02 | wols | ...or live with the consequences |
| 16:35.16 | deadcat_ | how can i convert .svg to .png? |
| 16:35.50 | ladydoor | deadcat_: If you have ImageMagick installed, do convert FileName.svg FileName.png |
| 16:35.57 | deadcat_ | ladydoor: k |
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| 16:36.43 | InitialC | i don't think going back to etch will fix this |
| 16:37.04 | xand | it will when you've rebuilt the machine |
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| 16:45.37 | sorsis | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2007/10/20/image/Kinda%20sad%2C%20when%20you%20think%20about%20it.jpg |
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| 16:47.20 | Serge | hello |
| 16:47.50 | Serge | hello i have an problem, the /windows/C don't want to mount, it says the permission denied.. |
| 16:47.59 | Serge | in /etc/fstab , i have this /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6Y080L0_Y2BQG9CC-part2 /windows/C ntfs-3g users,gid=users,fmask=133,dmask=022,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 |
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| 16:48.28 | Serge | don;t know what's wrong.. |
| 16:49.05 | wols | does it work when you are root? |
| 16:49.17 | roldyx_ | [13:19:02] *** GIFT-ERROR: Ares: tcp_open failed for 68.185.88.53:63468 |
| 16:49.18 | roldyx_ | [13:19:02] *** GIFT-ERROR: Ares: Ran out of nodes |
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| 16:49.29 | Serge | wols, don't know |
| 16:49.32 | Serge | didn't tried.. |
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| 16:50.09 | S4nD3r | I found a great software to rip dvds |
| 16:50.15 | S4nD3r | acidrip, its so good |
| 16:50.28 | S4nD3r | but, id like to get avi files more compacted |
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| 16:51.31 | Serge | wols, yes, it works |
| 16:51.37 | Serge | just cheked |
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| 16:51.50 | wols | maybe /windows/C has problematic permissions? |
| 16:52.03 | Serge | don't know.. |
| 16:52.09 | Serge | how to resolve this |
| 16:52.38 | S4nD3r | theres k9copy too |
| 16:52.54 | S4nD3r | but i think they are gui of mencoder |
| 16:53.31 | wols | S4nD3r: main choices are ffmpeg and mencoder I'd say |
| 16:53.36 | Serge | wols: i can get on the the /windows/C only with root from terminal.. |
| 16:53.44 | Serge | via nautils is impossible.. |
| 16:53.45 | S4nD3r | to rip dvds? |
| 16:53.46 | Caelum | Serge: make sure you're in group fuse |
| 16:53.48 | S4nD3r | ffmpeg? |
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| 16:54.02 | S4nD3r | this creates avi files in divx? |
| 16:54.07 | S4nD3r | or xvid? |
| 16:54.13 | Caelum | Serge: and that the dir is chowned to the user you want to mount as, etc. |
| 16:54.13 | Serge | Caelum: how to check this? |
| 16:54.19 | Caelum | Serge: edit /etc/group |
| 16:54.53 | Serge | ) |
| 16:55.04 | fiddles | anyone know what im doing wrong with the srources?: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable contrib non-free same fro deb-src |
| 16:55.18 | Serge | Caelum: look at this : /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_Maxtor_6Y080L0_Y2BQG9CC-part2 /windows/C ntfs-3g users,gid=users,fmask=133,dmask=022,locale=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 16:55.30 | Serge | does everything look good? |
| 16:55.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyone care to help me out w/this issue, please? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-handheld-25/dvdr-drive-doesnt-work-593123/ |
| 16:55.47 | Serge | =] |
| 16:55.57 | Caelum | Serge: gid has to be a number |
| 16:56.09 | Caelum | Serge: user not users |
| 16:56.20 | wols | Caelum: according to manpage, users is ok |
| 16:56.21 | Serge | heh.. |
| 16:56.26 | Caelum | ok |
| 16:56.27 | Serge | this edited the distro, not me ))) |
| 16:56.34 | Caelum | Serge: you probably want to set uid too |
| 16:56.35 | wols | Serge: what distro? |
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| 16:56.43 | Caelum | ubuntu? |
| 16:56.49 | Serge | nope.. |
| 16:56.59 | wols | Serge: dpkg -l libc6| tail -1 |
| 16:57.17 | Serge | command not found )) |
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| 16:57.36 | wols | then stop asking #debian, you don't run debian |
| 16:57.39 | Serge | wols: on gid what to set? |
| 16:57.43 | Serge | "user" ? |
| 16:57.50 | wols | Serge: ask the distro you are running, not us |
| 16:57.50 | Serge | =] |
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| 17:01.40 | Caelum | I was upgrading a co-worker's linux box to ubuntu feisty from some older version and I thought ok, it couldn't be that bad if it's based on Debian...well, the damned thing disabled the console with a "Loading please wait..." message, took me 2 hours to figure that out, #ubuntu was fucking useless... |
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| 17:03.36 | mike1o | Ive installed a fresh system... how come I dont have the 2.6.21 image package? how come I don't have the 2.6.18 headers package? |
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| 17:04.15 | sep | !installit |
| 17:04.15 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 17:04.28 | wols | mike1o: what debian branch? |
| 17:04.33 | Caelum | mike1o: apt-cache search linux-image etc. |
| 17:04.43 | mike1o | wols, lenny testing |
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| 17:04.57 | wols | mike1o: lenny has 2.6.22 IIRC |
| 17:05.03 | wols | of course .18 is available too |
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| 17:05.09 | mike1o | I guess it got excluded... |
| 17:05.11 | Drstroker | if i wanted to find out about a server that i have ssh into, where would i go, ie, proc speed, mem ammount, hdd space, |
| 17:05.35 | Caelum | Drstroker: cat /proc/cpuinfo; free; df -h |
| 17:05.36 | wols | Drstroker: /proc/cpuinfo /proc/kcore dmesg lshw, dmidecode |
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| 17:05.38 | wols | fdisk -l |
| 17:05.45 | sikkle | what a guy can do with a dedicated server when /home partition get full ? |
| 17:05.46 | mike1o | wols, I need to make this driver work... but .22 is not good, .18 could be ok but I don't have the headers... |
| 17:05.58 | wols | sikkle: start to learn about rm. man rm |
| 17:06.11 | wols | mike1o: then as sep said: install them |
| 17:06.34 | mike1o | wols, but I don't have them as a package... |
| 17:06.45 | sikkle | Wols; already done, but could you split two /home directory in two different mounted hd ? |
| 17:06.54 | Caelum | mike1o: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 17:06.58 | sep | sikkle, lvm |
| 17:07.06 | Drstroker | Caelum: where is the memory on that page you gave me? |
| 17:07.13 | Caelum | Drstroker: free |
| 17:07.42 | Drstroker | oh got it |
| 17:07.43 | Drstroker | thanks! |
| 17:08.08 | wols | sikkle: yes, either a lvm or via symlinks for different users/directories |
| 17:08.45 | sikkle | lvm thanks :) |
| 17:09.01 | wols | creating a lvm is kinda involved |
| 17:09.06 | sep | sikkle, if you migrate to lvm you can add parrtitions into the pool and dynamicaly grow home while it's mounted and it's in use (seksi) |
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| 17:09.19 | mike1o | Caelum, http://nopaste.org/p/amkBEQr3y |
| 17:09.43 | Caelum | sep: you can grow a mounted partition? I didn't see that in the lvm howto, had to unmount... |
| 17:09.44 | wols | mike1o: etch has 2.6.18 |
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| 17:10.56 | Drstroker | caelum: how do i convert that memory into MB? |
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| 17:11.14 | wols | Drstroker: divide by 1000 |
| 17:11.29 | sep | Caelum, the fs must be prepered for it at mkfs time with mkfs -t ext3 -o resize_inode |
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| 17:11.39 | sep | installer in etch have this as default |
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| 17:12.17 | sikkle | sep; realy appreciate your comments :) thanks a lot. |
| 17:12.18 | sep | Caelum, then you can lvextend -L+10G /ev/vg/lv ; resize2fs /dev/vg/lv |
| 17:12.29 | sep | and it grow it while it's in use |
| 17:12.35 | Caelum | sep: nice! this page does't mention that: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/extendlv.html |
| 17:12.39 | sep | very nice for root fs |
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| 17:13.06 | sep | reducing still require umount |
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| 17:16.30 | juhoz1024 | Hi everyone. I've just installed Debian GNU/Linux. I want to mount some ntfs partitions with read access for everyone, I tried mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 data1 -O umask=0755, but this doesn't seem to work. Is there a way to tell mount to make all subdirectories/files have umask=0755 after mount? chmod -R 0755 * just takes too long. |
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| 17:16.47 | Caelum | juhoz1024: use ntfs-3g |
| 17:17.00 | Caelum | juhoz1024: it's far superior to the kernel driver |
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| 17:17.28 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:17.44 | Ace2016 | how do i copy the contents of a hard disk from one computer to another |
| 17:17.47 | Ace2016 | ?? |
| 17:17.49 | juhoz1024 | Caelum: I'm really new to Linux, this is the first time I've installed it on my own system. How do I install ntfs-3g? |
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| 17:18.11 | Ace2016 | wols: still here? |
| 17:18.31 | Caelum | juhoz1024: apt-get install ntfs-3g ... man ntfs-3g |
| 17:18.38 | Ace2016 | i want to transplant one distro that is working perfectly from here to a chroot environment in debian sid |
| 17:19.08 | Ace2016 | oh oh oh |
| 17:19.29 | juhoz1024 | Caelum: Thanks. |
| 17:19.30 | Ace2016 | how do i download all the packages i have on this system to a disk>>> |
| 17:19.32 | Ace2016 | ??? |
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| 17:19.50 | Ace2016 | even the ones that are not in apt's cache? |
| 17:20.08 | Ace2016 | it has to be every single package, nothing must be missed out |
| 17:20.10 | wols | Ace2016: I live here |
| 17:20.12 | juhoz1024 | Caelum: apt-get says that the package couldn't be found. |
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| 17:20.19 | Ace2016 | i want to take this to debian sid and stick it into a chorrt |
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| 17:20.35 | DawnLight | i have an old floppy drive, from 97. could it be damaging the floppies? |
| 17:20.39 | wols | Ace2016: why not copy the disk itself itno the chroot? |
| 17:20.39 | Ace2016 | then run the xgl of this ubuntu along with the rest of the stuff from debian sid |
| 17:20.46 | pipeline | DawnLight: unlikely but conceivable |
| 17:20.56 | pipeline | juhoz1024: the mask is the opposite of what you want |
| 17:21.03 | Caelum | juhoz1024: don't know your dist version... check packages.debian.org |
| 17:21.06 | DawnLight | why do floppies get damaged? |
| 17:21.09 | Ace2016 | wols: thats what i want to do, but there are more than dvd's worth of files on here so how do i do it? |
| 17:21.11 | pipeline | juhoz1024: so to make everything 755, you want 022 |
| 17:21.21 | wols | Ace2016: man dd, man cp |
| 17:21.32 | Ace2016 | DawnLight: made of cheep plastic, easily magnetised due to the lack of shielding of the magnetic material |
| 17:21.34 | juhoz1024 | Caelum: Thanks. |
| 17:21.36 | Caelum | Ace2016: if you want to copy a whole dist, you might consider something uml, xen, colinux, etc. |
| 17:21.41 | juhoz1024 | pipeline: Thanks. I'll give it a try. |
| 17:21.47 | wols | juhoz1024: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 17:22.02 | wols | Caelum: seems he wants a single kernel |
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| 17:22.23 | wols | Caelum: and his sid transplant needs to run compiz afaik |
| 17:22.34 | Caelum | ah |
| 17:22.49 | juhoz1024 | wols: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 17:22.52 | wols | Ace2016: btw, it won't get you 3D accel without further work |
| 17:23.01 | wols | Ace2016: debian kernel != ubuntu kernel |
| 17:23.02 | Ace2016 | yea debian is setup nicely, apart from xgl, so i want to transfer this into a chroot and edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to use that ones xgl |
| 17:23.11 | wols | juhoz1024: try backports.org for ntfs-3g |
| 17:23.33 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: why not just build Xgl seperately with all the bits it needs and use rpath linking |
| 17:23.43 | Ace2016 | wols: both kernels are custom and compiled by me :D |
| 17:23.44 | wols | Ace2016: what does the ubuntu kernel do that the debian kernel doesn't? |
| 17:23.55 | juhoz1024 | wols: OK. |
| 17:24.01 | juhoz1024 | wols: Thanks. |
| 17:24.45 | DawnLight | how do i make a grub flppy that will boot up my debian? |
| 17:25.10 | Ace2016 | wols: its not about the kernel, its about xorg and xgl, i spent ~20 hours this week trying to compile xgl from various sources and it didn't work |
| 17:25.38 | wols | Ace2016: if you use a sid chroot you will use sid Xorg... |
| 17:25.41 | Ace2016 | compiz fusion gives a white screen in debian sid even when it compiled perfectly |
| 17:26.05 | Ace2016 | what |
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| 17:27.26 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: If you want xgl why not use the suse thing that they support it on |
| 17:27.27 | Ace2016 | i was just trying to figure out how to get all the packages so that i can then extract them to /opt/2ndroot (using ark to get the data file) and then tell kdm to use the xgl from /opt/2ndroot/bla |
| 17:28.23 | Ace2016 | h3sp4wn: because i want debian sid's updates, so i don't ever have to reinstall or upgrade from one release to another like ubuntu |
| 17:28.23 | h3sp4wn | that won't work unless you use build it using rpath linking |
| 17:28.35 | Ace2016 | whats rpath linking? |
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| 17:29.25 | wols | h3sp4wn: please don't encourage his harebrained scheme |
| 17:29.25 | Ace2016 | relative path? |
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| 17:29.26 | juhoz1024 | wols: how can I add backports.org to sources.list? |
| 17:29.26 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath_(linking) |
| 17:29.28 | juhoz1024 | wols: I mean, what's the syntax? |
| 17:29.29 | \amethyst | what about LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
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| 17:35.06 | h3sp4wn | \amethyst: gets messy very fast |
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| 17:36.15 | h3sp4wn | \amethyst: with rpath I can have two copies of a library for messing and not worry about trashing other apps because of abi changes |
| 17:36.38 | Ace2016 | abi changes? |
| 17:37.54 | Ace2016 | so could the LD_LIBRARY_PATH thing work? |
| 17:38.44 | liable | home at last |
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| 17:39.30 | juhoz1024 | Caelum pipeline wols: Thanks. Bye. |
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| 17:42.24 | Drstroker | how can you tell what type of linux is running on a server |
| 17:42.35 | Ace2016 | oh cool most of my system is only like 11Gb so i should be able to take that over on dvds, but how would i make it work... |
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| 17:42.57 | liable | Drstroker: telnetting to a service it runs usually gives a clue |
| 17:43.04 | NelsonM | drstoker; /etc/motd is the first place to look |
| 17:43.06 | liable | nmap can do os detection too |
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| 17:43.09 | Drstroker | oh thanks |
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| 17:43.21 | Drstroker | nothing in motd |
| 17:43.27 | Drstroker | i'm in it via ssh |
| 17:43.48 | NelsonM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.48 | Drstroker | i am about 95% sure its debian but i want that extra 5% |
| 17:43.59 | Drstroker | i got kernal by doing uname -a |
| 17:44.09 | Caelum | Drstroker: if it's an rh-like it will have an /etc/redhat-release, debian has /etc/debian_version |
| 17:44.12 | liable | well, if you can ssh to it, kernel version will prolly give a clue |
| 17:44.22 | liable | or any number of installed programs |
| 17:44.33 | NelsonM | but /proc/version tells you who packaged the kernel. if it says "Debian", like mine, that's a big hint :-) |
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| 17:44.51 | Ace2016 | Drstroker: have you tried apt-get update? if its debian it'll do it |
| 17:45.05 | Ace2016 | then look in the sources.list |
| 17:45.17 | NelsonM | yeah, /etc/apt/sources.list will tell you a lot |
| 17:45.40 | NelsonM | does is debian/testing fully utf-8 friendly now? so far so good |
| 17:45.44 | Drstroker | no apt |
| 17:45.58 | liable | Drstroker: why have you got ssh access to a box you know nothing about anyway? |
| 17:46.45 | Ace2016 | what does uname -r give you? |
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| 17:49.02 | Caelum | Drstroker: cat /etc/*version* /etc/*release* # maybe |
| 17:49.19 | NelsonM | funny question not to have a clear answer. "what unix am I running?" |
| 17:49.26 | Caelum | heh |
| 17:49.28 | liable | woulda thunk the motd would say so |
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| 17:50.32 | Caelum | some people put horrible all caps messages into motd about "UNAUTHORIZED USE OF BLAH BLAH BLAH, YOU ARE LOGGED, WE'LL SUE YOU, ETC." to spam you every time you log in |
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| 17:50.41 | mike1o | wols, ok your suggestion got me the .18 headers, but apparently this driver works best with .21 ... where can get that image with the headers? |
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| 17:50.54 | mike1o | backports? |
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| 17:51.30 | liable | mike1o: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 17:51.33 | vlad_pt | hi |
| 17:51.54 | liable | mike1o: the etch repo should have .18 headers though, have a look in packages.debian.org |
| 17:52.12 | vlad_pt | does someone know about wifi configs? |
| 17:52.14 | mike1o | liable, it does but I need .21 |
| 17:52.16 | liable | one of those two should get you what you need |
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| 17:52.27 | liable | mike1o: so get it from s.d.o |
| 17:52.28 | wols | liable: snapshot.debian.NET |
| 17:52.35 | Ace2016 | Anyone run xgl from a chroot before? |
| 17:52.39 | liable | bah, i always fuck that up |
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| 17:53.00 | wols | liable: easy. debian "proper" would never distribute them :) |
| 17:53.06 | wols | and a debian.com is just unthinkable :) |
| 17:53.10 | vlad_pt | zd1211 wifi driver, can someone help me? |
| 17:53.27 | wols | vlad_pt: only if you clearly state your problem |
| 17:53.27 | liable | wols: not so easy when you have a brain like mine ;) |
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| 17:53.44 | wols | liable: ever seen my typoes. don't talk to me about deficient brains :) |
| 17:53.58 | liable | well, yeah, now that you mention it.. |
| 17:54.01 | vlad_pt | wols i installed source and firmware |
| 17:54.03 | Ace2016 | is it possible to install 2 different xserver xorgs at the same time like you can do with libs? |
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| 17:54.22 | vlad_pt | ilusb can see it |
| 17:54.25 | Caelum | the debian amd64 howto needs updating... |
| 17:54.27 | vlad_pt | *lsusb |
| 17:54.33 | liable | Caelum: so update it |
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| 17:54.38 | Caelum | liable: how? |
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| 17:54.52 | liable | Caelum: where is it hosted? |
| 17:54.54 | techouse | need some help |
| 17:55.05 | Ace2016 | ask away |
| 17:55.16 | tenema1 | Hi, was wondering if anyone would be able to assist me in getting the program "compiz" installed for the 3d graphical desktop |
| 17:55.21 | liable | away: no such nick :P |
| 17:55.31 | techouse | can someone send me their /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/debian-moreblue |
| 17:55.37 | liable | techouse: its in the repos |
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| 17:55.54 | liable | techouse: why dont you have it? |
| 17:55.55 | Caelum | liable: alioth |
| 17:56.02 | techouse | it got deleted |
| 17:56.03 | wols | tenema1: what debian branch? |
| 17:56.04 | liable | Caelum: isnt it a wiki? |
| 17:56.05 | techouse | don't ask me how |
| 17:56.09 | Ace2016 | he might have messed it up and needs a reinstall |
| 17:56.14 | liable | techouse: so reinstall the package that owns it |
| 17:56.20 | techouse | which does? |
| 17:56.23 | techouse | kdm? |
| 17:56.27 | tenema1 | wols: testing I beleive |
| 17:56.38 | liable | techouse: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:56.41 | wols | tenema1: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 17:56.43 | tenema1 | wols: i just re-installed since sid broke it last time |
| 17:56.59 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.01 | wols | testing will break to too, not as often but it happens |
| 17:57.14 | Ace2016 | techouse: what you do is go to packages.debian.org then go to the bottom of the page, see the search, use that to find what package the files belong to :) |
| 17:57.18 | tenema1 | true... but what I mean by "broken" is that gnome just hung after I updated it |
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| 17:57.27 | tenema1 | missing dependiences EVERYWHERE lol |
| 17:57.29 | Caelum | liable: I see there's an faq that's a wiki, that one is actually up to date :) |
| 17:57.46 | tenema1 | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 17:58.27 | wols | !info compiz lenny |
| 17:58.31 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.2-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 17:58.40 | liable | Caelum: cant you edit the other page? |
| 17:58.49 | wols | tenema1: so compiz is in testing, what's the problem? |
| 17:58.52 | tenema1 | wols: now how do I install it on ATI vid card ;) lol that's the problem |
| 17:58.56 | Caelum | liable: can't...I'll email the people listed in it though |
| 17:58.59 | wols | tenema1: which card? |
| 17:59.00 | tenema1 | you have to use some flgx driver or something |
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| 17:59.22 | tenema1 | ATI Technologies Inc ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M |
| 17:59.46 | Ace2016 | see thats our problem, if they just added xgl it'd all be great |
| 17:59.51 | wols | not possible with the fglrx driver. if your card can use the ati driver for 3D acceleration it is, otherwise: no go |
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| 17:59.59 | wols | Ace2016: debian never will |
| 18:00.02 | liable | tenema1: dont even bother yet, you need xgl which is a royal pain in the arse. wait till the next fglrx driver which will *supposedly* support aiglx |
| 18:00.08 | wols | Ace2016: blame ati for not supporting aiglx |
| 18:00.20 | liable | wols: you can with xgl |
| 18:00.28 | tenema1 | how do I do it with xgl |
| 18:00.33 | Ace2016 | why won't debian add xgl? |
| 18:00.34 | wols | liable: sure but debian doesn't support it. at all |
| 18:00.36 | wols | !xgl |
| 18:00.36 | dpkg | i guess xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported |
| 18:00.46 | liable | tenema1: dont, new driver *should* be out by the end of month |
| 18:01.02 | liable | wols: yes, but its still possible |
| 18:01.19 | Ace2016 | tenema1: seriously forget the xgl thing right now, its totally impossible, i had it working perfectly on another distro but on debian its totally totally messy, even when it compiled perfectly compiz gave me a white screen |
| 18:01.21 | tenema1 | thing is.. if I hit "ALT-CTRL-F1" my screen goes haywire without the fglrx driver |
| 18:01.40 | Ace2016 | i tried for 20+ hours this week to get xgl but nope, thing did the trick |
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| 18:01.54 | liable | Ace2016: dunno, they made some weak excuse about it being too experimental, yet added the experimental radeonhd driver a week after it hit freedesktop.. |
| 18:01.59 | Ace2016 | even after i got xgl compiz just white screened on me |
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| 18:02.15 | Danielss8 | Hi |
| 18:02.21 | tenema1 | should I just install the fglrx driver just to fix the ctrl-alt-f1 issue |
| 18:02.22 | Danielss8 | ive just installed vsftpd on my server and when i connect from filezilla i can see all folders, but i cant delete anything, or upload anything, it says permission denied.. how can i give my user permission to everything.. |
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| 18:02.32 | Ace2016 | ha ha white screen death |
| 18:02.33 | vlad_pt | sorry, i was afk , im having zd1211rw usb dongle and installed firmware source from apt-get, but it doesnt working. I thing, that some module is missing, but i cant find, which. Can u help me plz ) |
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| 18:02.44 | liable | white cube of frustration |
| 18:02.46 | Ace2016 | no wait white screen of suiside xD |
| 18:02.57 | wols | !zd1211 |
| 18:02.57 | bas-i | i messed up my postgresql 8.1 on etch and I can;t get it to re-install. |
| 18:02.57 | dpkg | methinks zd1211 is the _vendor-based_ community driver for ZyDUS USB wireless LAN chipsets (http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/VendorBasedDriver). Packaged in Debian as 'zd1211-source'. The driver is unmaintained and was rewritten, ask me about <zd1211rw>. |
| 18:03.06 | troubled | Ace2016: ATi is teh suck when it comes to anything "free", which basically means hell will freeze over before you see compiz run on old vid cards in linux :) |
| 18:03.07 | liable | s/frustration/idiocy/ :) |
| 18:03.09 | wols | !zd1211rw |
| 18:03.09 | dpkg | well, zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets (http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw). Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package). |
| 18:03.18 | bas-i | How do I make dpkg or apt forget/clean all old sh*t and apt-get instal xxx again? |
| 18:03.25 | wols | vlad_pt: have you done this? |
| 18:03.25 | tenema1 | so what do I do? |
| 18:03.35 | liable | troubled: they are supposedly trying now |
| 18:03.36 | Ace2016 | troubled: i have an nvidia card so i', fine :D |
| 18:03.40 | vlad_pt | wols - yes! |
| 18:03.55 | wols | tenema1: a) buy new hardware b) wait until ati supports aiglx c) forget compiz. your choice |
| 18:03.57 | liable | Ace2016: no, you are still locked into shit proprietry drivers :P |
| 18:03.58 | troubled | liable: until my R350 works, ATi can go chapter 11 for all I care |
| 18:04.03 | tenema1 | *it's a laptop* |
| 18:04.14 | wols | vlad_pt: what does the modprobe say? what does dmesg say afterwards? |
| 18:04.19 | liable | tenema1: thats great if you always want to use 3 year old hardware |
| 18:04.27 | Ace2016 | liable: yes but they work well so the proprietary thing doesn't matter to me |
| 18:04.29 | troubled | Ace2016: ah, sorry, thought I seen ATI in your paste somewhere. lucky bugger ;) |
| 18:04.39 | vlad_pt | wols iwconfig - Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Invalid |
| 18:05.04 | wols | vlad_pt: that's not what I asked but it seems you have it working |
| 18:05.09 | mike1o | liable, wols, I didn't find 2.6.21 :-( |
| 18:05.19 | liable | mike1o: where did you look? |
| 18:05.23 | tenema1 | liable: I just got this laptop from a friend, it's a sempron, pretty fast... was thinking of installing ubuntu but decided against it, then realized that I couldn't get compiz installed due to a single dependency problem |
| 18:05.24 | mike1o | on shapshot.debian.net |
| 18:05.28 | troubled | liable: if anything, its the AMD personality thats interested in the new stuff, but the old ATI would sooner see linux die off, least thats the impression I got |
| 18:05.39 | liable | mike1o: dont make me search d.s.n |
| 18:05.55 | vlad_pt | wols sorry, its my first debian installing, how i need to write modprobe? |
| 18:06.12 | liable | troubled: yep, sounds about right. but lets have a little faith in the new school |
| 18:06.24 | liable | s.d.n |
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| 18:06.40 | liable | bah, been awake for a day in transit |
| 18:06.54 | wols | vlad_pt: like the factoid said |
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| 18:07.09 | mike1o | liable, oops |
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| 18:07.30 | n3kl__ | Are there any xen kernels for a 486 machine? |
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| 18:07.33 | vlad_pt | emm didnt understand |
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| 18:07.49 | wols | mike1o: you didn't search then |
| 18:07.49 | h3sp4wn | n3kl__: No it uses some 686 specific features |
| 18:07.53 | xand | n3kl__: think a 486 might be a bit slow |
| 18:08.00 | n3kl__ | The 686 xen kernel won't boot. |
| 18:08.11 | h3sp4wn | n3kl__: Its possible those parts are implimented by your via or whatever chip |
| 18:08.13 | n3kl__ | xand: its an 800 via c3 processor. |
| 18:08.17 | wols | mike1o: I found it on the first try without a problem |
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| 18:08.19 | mike1o | wols, I did but the search system is unclear |
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| 18:08.21 | xand | c3 doesn't support 686 |
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| 18:08.26 | xand | only 586 |
| 18:08.32 | wols | mike1o: no it's not |
| 18:08.53 | n3kl__ | xand: so is xen hopeless on this machine? |
| 18:08.57 | wols | first box: linux-image-2.6.21 and it will find it |
| 18:09.02 | xand | if it needs 686, then yes |
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| 18:09.44 | troubled | liable: oh, im sure that they will try hard to push open source now. what gets me made is that I have an older card that will likely never run, but could probably give me 60fps just fine with this system in GL in linux, if only they would go back and do drivers for the entire ati line of cards (and toss all the NDA's in the garbage where they belong) |
| 18:09.56 | troubled | s/made/mad/ |
| 18:10.03 | mike1o | wols, I type 21... shouldn't it have picked it up? |
| 18:10.18 | Ace2016 | Can i pay someone to make an xgl + xorg with xcb and compiz fusion repo for me? its for debian sid and everything has to made as static as possible with everything built in and all installed to /opt |
| 18:10.31 | liable | troubled: hrm, this could turn into a long rant if we keep it up :) |
| 18:10.51 | wols | troubled: ati/amd has conflicting interests |
| 18:11.05 | troubled | liable: point taken, I just like being verbal on the issue in hopes someone will notice and deal with it :) |
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| 18:11.17 | mike1o | wols, it's a really cool system though... |
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| 18:11.32 | liable | troubled: preaching to the converted here i'm afraid :) |
| 18:11.34 | phogg | Ace2016: do it yourself |
| 18:11.37 | troubled | wols: its whoever has the biggest check book that wins out :) |
| 18:11.50 | wols | troubled: huh? |
| 18:11.52 | Ace2016 | i'll even take just a massive tar file say from rapidshare that i have to just extract to /opt |
| 18:11.55 | wols | why check book? |
| 18:12.02 | liable | cheque |
| 18:12.10 | troubled | liable: im tryin to convert, they just wont let me by giving me drivers! :) |
| 18:12.13 | wols | Ace2016: don't bother |
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| 18:12.23 | lkthomas2 | hey guys |
| 18:12.25 | Ace2016 | wols: why? |
| 18:12.27 | troubled | wols: sorry, cheque ^^ |
| 18:12.36 | lkthomas2 | does fiber channel switch is the same thing as fiber switch ? |
| 18:12.48 | wols | Ace2016: cause the time you spend pleading here is better spent learning about the problem and solving it yourself |
| 18:12.51 | wols | much more productive |
| 18:12.54 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: £1000 - use one of those sites where you can hire someone to do something for you (moonlighting I think its called) |
| 18:13.05 | wols | lkthomas2: is this debian related? |
| 18:13.21 | lkthomas2 | wols: hardware related |
| 18:13.28 | tenema1 | wols: the library file I was talking about earlier was: Libwnck22 |
| 18:13.31 | wols | lkthomas2: ##hardware |
| 18:13.33 | tenema1 | Libwnck18 is available |
| 18:13.45 | tenema1 | Libwnck22 is in SID but can't be found |
| 18:13.46 | tenema1 | :-\ |
| 18:13.48 | wols | !info libwnck22 sid |
| 18:13.55 | dpkg | libwnck22: (Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.20.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 18:14.03 | Ace2016 | are there such sites for linux workers? i know a few sites for graphics design but for repo making i don't know any |
| 18:14.30 | wols | tenema1: ftp.de.debian.org has it |
| 18:15.07 | phogg | Ace2016: why do you need X in /opt? /opt is for losers. |
| 18:15.36 | wols | !nm |
| 18:15.37 | dpkg | from memory, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 18:15.52 | wols | Ace2016: see the url? |
| 18:16.11 | tenema1 | ah, now I can try to install compiz again lol |
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| 18:16.27 | tenema1 | the only reason apt-get wouldn't install the compiz-core package was because it was missing that dependency |
| 18:16.28 | tenema1 | lol |
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| 18:16.38 | phogg | hm. Just got this odd error from apt-cache: "E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of" What does this mean? |
| 18:16.51 | Ace2016 | phogg: so that it has the least possible interaction with the rest of the system |
| 18:17.06 | Ace2016 | and any new compiled apps will never know of its existance unless i tell them about it |
| 18:17.14 | wols | phogg: too many repos with too many different versions of a package? |
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| 18:17.54 | phogg | wols: possible, but I have no changed source.list (or even updated) since the last time I used apt-cache (yesterday) |
| 18:18.18 | wols | but the repos might have changed |
| 18:18.27 | wols | very likely if testing or unstable |
| 18:18.45 | tenema1 | Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 18:18.54 | phogg | how would I know it if I have not done an update? |
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| 18:19.24 | wols | tenema1: sid has it, not testing (I haven't looked if testing has it) |
| 18:19.34 | wols | !info libwnck22 lenny |
| 18:19.37 | tenema1 | so just set it to lenny sid? |
| 18:19.53 | wols | tell tenema1 about simple sid backport |
| 18:19.57 | techouse | ok...i had to edit my /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to fix the logon screen problem |
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| 18:20.41 | wols | !tell tenema1 about simple sid backport |
| 18:21.55 | fiddles | hey where is the common.mak file? |
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| 18:23.12 | fiddles | nm |
| 18:24.05 | phogg | wols: for future reference... this error can also, it appears, happen if you run out of disk space |
| 18:25.46 | wols | phogg: interesting |
| 18:26.04 | tdn | http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P979.html <- Can someone explain this strange memory consumption? (look at the swap / io wait) |
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| 18:26.34 | acidplace | hello |
| 18:26.37 | acidplace | people |
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| 18:26.46 | tenema1 | wols: what is the proper line to add for sid? it's saying it's improperly formatted |
| 18:27.01 | wols | !tell tenema1 about sources.list |
| 18:27.12 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M? |
| 18:27.19 | wols | and instead of "etch" it says usntable or sid |
| 18:27.38 | liable | !typosmite wols |
| 18:27.54 | ameyer | lol |
| 18:28.36 | tenema1 | thanks, i got it |
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| 18:30.16 | techouse | i have 2 sound cards in my pc; how do i set one to default? |
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| 18:30.37 | techouse | right now the onboard nvidia is default. i want audigy 2 zs to be default |
| 18:31.06 | techouse | in ubuntu i knew how...but in debian it doesn't work |
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| 18:32.28 | liable | techouse: disable the onboard in bios is the easiest way |
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| 18:32.41 | techouse | lol |
| 18:33.00 | techouse | no...isn't there a way with alsaconf or asoundconf? |
| 18:33.04 | liable | dunno what was so funny about that, but, hehe? |
| 18:33.14 | liable | yes, alsaconf will pick one |
| 18:33.24 | liable | and should blacklist the other |
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| 18:33.27 | techouse | but how to know which? |
| 18:33.36 | liable | but still.. the bios option is the best |
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| 18:33.56 | liable | eek, whats going on with that i wonder |
| 18:34.04 | liable | !beat Shadowcat |
| 18:34.36 | bas-i | I do: apt-get --reinstall install postgresql-8.1 , afterward, I still don't get a /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 etc. etc. It won't install anymore. How do I correct what apt thinks about the state of things? |
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| 18:34.55 | liable | bas-i: why did you delete it? |
| 18:35.05 | bas-i | (i f*cked up ;) ) |
| 18:35.14 | liable | !tell bas-i about confmiss |
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| 18:35.21 | bas-i | confmiss? |
| 18:35.24 | liable | bas-i: dont delete conf files |
| 18:35.39 | bas-i | i didn't delete them ;) |
| 18:35.47 | bas-i | I (tried to) remove 8.1 |
| 18:35.56 | bas-i | Which failed for some reason I can't figure out. |
| 18:36.12 | liable | i dont think i want to know |
| 18:36.13 | techouse | i ran alsaconf and still nothing |
| 18:36.13 | bas-i | now it won't reinstall. |
| 18:36.46 | bas-i | i'm pretty much in a state where i'll just zap a clean etch on it ;) |
| 18:36.58 | bas-i | (loosing hours of work :( ) |
| 18:37.05 | liable | some actuall errors would be great if you want help |
| 18:37.14 | liable | !paste |
| 18:37.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:38.13 | bas-i | apt-get --reinstall install postgresql-8.1 does not give an error. |
| 18:38.28 | bas-i | It ends with "Setting up postgresql-8.1 (8.1.9-0etch1) ..." |
| 18:38.45 | bas-i | then i get my prompt back. |
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| 18:40.23 | techouse | oh...i need to patch my asoundconf |
| 18:40.28 | techouse | but how? |
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| 18:41.44 | Alarm-- | hello, which is a good debian based distro to be able to run from a usb stick |
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| 18:44.12 | Caelum | Alarm--: debian |
| 18:44.53 | Alarm-- | 512mb with kde |
| 18:44.56 | liable | for an unbiased opinion :) |
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| 18:48.06 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 18:48.06 | dpkg | qotd96 is, like, <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 18:49.06 | Alarm-- | does zen linux support deb files or apt-get ? |
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| 18:52.21 | wols | Alarm--: ask the zen people, not us |
| 18:52.41 | Alarm-- | okie. |
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| 18:53.06 | wols | DawnLight: tried grubinstall? |
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| 18:55.40 | isleshocky77 | Can anyone help me and shed some light on this? http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d303c1067 |
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| 18:58.28 | franixe | Can someone guide me through a typical build process using make. I have downloaded gnuchess, have untarred and unzipped it |
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| 18:59.10 | |DawnLight| | franixe: why not aptitude install it? |
| 18:59.16 | craigevil | gnuchess is in the debian repos |
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| 18:59.50 | dexter | how can i recover a partition in filesystem ext3 |
| 18:59.54 | franixe | I am planning on building LFS, and it says I need experience in building from source |
| 18:59.58 | liable | isleshocky77: hrm, so how did you manage to get into this situation where tar segfaults? |
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| 19:00.06 | dexter | i ran fsck.ext3 |
| 19:00.22 | isleshocky77 | I don't know. |
| 19:00.40 | faemir | franixe, ./configure | make | su make install |
| 19:00.51 | liable | isleshocky77: you have a purely debian stable box? |
| 19:00.55 | isleshocky77 | liable: I need to install subversion, so I did a aptitude install subversion.. which errored. So I tryed updating and upgrading.. which gave me that error |
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| 19:01.47 | isleshocky77 | Now I just did an aptitude install subversion again and it wen through, but I think the upgrade not working is an issue. |
| 19:02.00 | liable | isleshocky77: the amount of packages upgrading there seems to suggest you have added a backports or non-deabian repo |
| 19:02.23 | isleshocky77 | I have backports. |
| 19:02.38 | isleshocky77 | and now it's not connecting on the apt-get update... |
| 19:02.46 | isleshocky77 | Weird |
| 19:03.11 | isleshocky77 | uh oh. |
| 19:03.20 | isleshocky77 | It looks like I'm not resolving addresses. now. |
| 19:03.26 | isleshocky77 | I can't ping google.com |
| 19:03.33 | isleshocky77 | But I'm connected remotely. |
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| 19:04.24 | liable | by remotely, you mean over the ineternet or lan? |
| 19:04.31 | isleshocky77 | internet |
| 19:05.28 | liable | so you can still access the box, but it cant access the internet? |
| 19:05.40 | isleshocky77 | yeah.. so I'm guessing that's a dns issue. |
| 19:05.42 | ampex2 | isleshocky77: can you ping IP addresses? |
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| 19:07.02 | isleshocky77 | ok... disregard the ip stuff, I'm retarded.. putty needs tabs. I was on a different window of a local machine. |
| 19:07.03 | isleshocky77 | lol |
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| 19:07.34 | komozo | hi |
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| 19:08.18 | liable | weird, i have one bookmark, that seems to pick up favicons from other sites.. its the only one i have ever seen do so |
| 19:09.04 | franixe_ | make has thrown up errors while building gnuchess: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41387/ any help pls? |
| 19:09.07 | duzchip | Hi, got a problem here. I have one of those mobile internetmodems using USB and i've got it running under debian (etch) but it sometimes disconnects itself and its rather hard to get connected to begin with. Anyone else have any experience with this kinda thing? |
| 19:09.21 | isleshocky77 | ok, so my situation is I can update just fine. When I try to install subversion I get: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d15b9ada4 When I try to upgrade I get: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d3bb4d899 |
| 19:09.44 | liable | franixe_: little tip, if you are indeed using debian, dont use a ubuntu paste site. |
| 19:09.55 | isleshocky77 | liable: ha |
| 19:10.08 | franixe_ | !paste |
| 19:10.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:10.14 | isleshocky77 | pastbin.com is real good since he redid it. Love the private pastebin. |
| 19:10.26 | franixe_ | liable, sure |
| 19:10.44 | isleshocky77 | liable: What do you think of my sitation? |
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| 19:11.27 | liable | isleshocky77: no idea yet, my brain is in a jelly like state atm, so gimme a while to digest |
| 19:11.48 | isleshocky77 | kk |
| 19:12.07 | isleshocky77 | It looks like tar is segmentation faulting on both of the errors. |
| 19:12.20 | liable | franixe_: that kind of error should be reported to upstream for the package |
| 19:12.21 | isleshocky77 | ok. just doing # tar I get a seg fault |
| 19:12.52 | isleshocky77 | Can I reinstall tar through aptitude.. without tar? |
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| 19:13.06 | liable | not really |
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| 19:13.56 | franixe_ | liable: you lost me. I'm relatively new to debian. What do you mean it should be reported to upstream of the package? |
| 19:14.05 | Haveo | hi |
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| 19:14.10 | liable | isleshocky77: i find it hard to fathom how you got tar broken on a stable box |
| 19:14.42 | isleshocky77 | lol |
| 19:14.43 | liable | franixe_: the compile errors you have should be reported to the people who made the program |
| 19:14.45 | isleshocky77 | Thanks.. |
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| 19:15.19 | fiddles | is it alright to get sarge? |
| 19:15.51 | liable | isleshocky77: you may laugh, but i am trying to assertain how you have broken your box, because it wouldnt be from using debian stable packages. |
| 19:15.53 | komozo | i've an alcatel xmem card (in my oxo pabx) i want to connect and read it on my debian. can sommme one help me to find an idea ? |
| 19:16.33 | Haveo | does somebody test the last lenny-kde CD ? Because I try to install debian but my filesystem isn't recognized. Can somebody help me ? |
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| 19:17.14 | isleshocky77 | I don't know.. honestly, I haven't used this box much at all. |
| 19:17.30 | isleshocky77 | I didn't have anything on it except a name server since I Made it for the last few months. |
| 19:17.42 | isleshocky77 | I was trying to get svn on it to get a checkout of some files. |
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| 19:18.51 | liable | isleshocky77: dpkg -l tar |
| 19:18.55 | magyar | hi, is it possible to start kvm Windows guest on a server that has no X installed, just start a guest windows and Terminal service into it? |
| 19:19.23 | isleshocky77 | http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d131f6dfc |
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| 19:21.16 | isleshocky77 | liable: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d131f6dfc |
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| 19:23.42 | komozo | if i missed the good channel, can sommeone help me to find one please ? |
| 19:24.17 | franixe_ | liable:kk |
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| 19:24.47 | dexter | i ran efsck.ext3 -y /dev/hda1 and it put the whole folders into folder called lost+found |
| 19:24.57 | dexter | how can i put back all my files and folders? |
| 19:25.06 | stew | does du double coun't 2 hard links to the same file? |
| 19:25.10 | stew | i assume it does |
| 19:25.15 | ale666 | does anyone know how to get the kernel version on debian? |
| 19:25.22 | stew | ale666: uname -r |
| 19:25.27 | ale666 | rhx |
| 19:25.29 | ale666 | thx |
| 19:25.38 | liable | isleshocky77: hrm okie, your tar and libneon are official, i have no idea at this point why tar is segfaulting. |
| 19:25.45 | dexter | i ran efsck.ext3 -y /dev/hda1 and it put the whole folders into folder called lost+found, how can i put back all my files? |
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| 19:26.14 | isleshocky77 | liable: Know of any solutions? |
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| 19:26.28 | alaya | ow. disconnected inodes. |
| 19:26.29 | xingu | oh man |
| 19:26.47 | liable | stew: i believe the man page mentions it |
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| 19:26.58 | liable | isleshocky77: not at this stage |
| 19:27.16 | stew | liable: ahh, loooks like it does the right thing by default, thanks :) |
| 19:27.23 | xingu | definitely time to quit bzflag when your thumbs are bleeding |
| 19:27.24 | liable | in that it says "estimate" |
| 19:27.32 | stew | liable: have we had this discussion in relation to dirvish before? :) |
| 19:27.34 | isleshocky77 | liable: Could it be a conf file or something? |
| 19:27.58 | liable | stew: i had this convo with someone not so long ago, i dont think it was you though |
| 19:28.15 | ale666 | ok I get a "Too many open files" error. i have change /proc/sys/fs/file-max to 200000 but still get the same error at the same time in my program. also lsof | wc -l does not show more than 10000. what coudl be going wrong? am i updating the right values? |
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| 19:28.20 | liable | it was on the size of a base install |
| 19:28.44 | lukas | Hi, I have strange problem with my external disc on notebook (SATA - USB2) which is able to write just 2MB/s that seems to me quite slow. Reading is apporximately 20MB/s. Could anyone point me to some way? |
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| 19:30.11 | xingu | lukas: just out of a stray interest, what filesystem? |
| 19:30.23 | liable | isleshocky77: nope |
| 19:30.47 | isleshocky77 | hmm. |
| 19:31.00 | isleshocky77 | This sucks... |
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| 19:31.28 | liable | yes, segfaulting tar breaks your whole install system :( |
| 19:32.24 | lukas | xingu: ext3 |
| 19:32.45 | lukas | xingu: mounted with noatime |
| 19:33.02 | isleshocky77 | Can I build tar? |
| 19:33.08 | lukas | tried two different external discs |
| 19:33.13 | xingu | lukas: fair do; how are you benchmarking read performance? |
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| 19:33.13 | lukas | isleshocky77: build? |
| 19:33.29 | liable | isleshocky77: sure, but untarring the source will be a problem :) |
| 19:33.34 | lukas | xingu: read some big file, at least 600MB |
| 19:33.37 | xingu | isleshocky77: what does "file /bin/tar" say? |
| 19:34.09 | xingu | lukas: are you doing this immediately after mount? wondering about caching issues |
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| 19:34.55 | Seb | anyone using mutt wanna do me a favor and see if they can reproduce http://bugs.debian.org/447400 ? This is driving me crazy, and I wonder if it's only me :) |
| 19:35.22 | stiv2k | hi i have a .avi file i recorded from my digital camera but the file size is too large how can i compress it |
| 19:35.24 | isleshocky77 | http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d484698c6 |
| 19:35.26 | isleshocky77 | liable: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d484698c6 |
| 19:35.26 | dto | what do people think of using no-ip.org to run my personal website? |
| 19:35.29 | liable | isleshocky77: i am cynical in that i think you have some non-debian package causing the fuckage, but i cant think of how to tell. |
| 19:35.46 | dto | "fuckage" :-) |
| 19:35.55 | komozo | hello, does Debian detect alcatel xmem card ? |
| 19:35.58 | xingu | lukas: and is this an actual hdd or is it a flash drive? |
| 19:36.22 | xingu | isleshocky77: and ldd /bin/tar ? |
| 19:36.28 | spx2 | where does putty store its ssh keys ? |
| 19:36.56 | ale666 | ok I get a "Too many open files" error. i have change /proc/sys/fs/file-max to 200000 but still get the same error at the same time in my program. also lsof | wc -l does not show more than 10000. what coudl be going wrong? am i updating the right values? |
| 19:36.56 | liable | spx2: that would be a windows people question |
| 19:37.00 | isleshocky77 | liable: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d25bb72bf |
| 19:37.01 | streuner | spx2: grep -i <key> /etc/* ? |
| 19:37.21 | streuner | liable: putty is also in Debian |
| 19:37.34 | spx2 | streuner: no no,putty in windows |
| 19:37.38 | xingu | isleshocky77: does it segfault if you just run tar --version ? |
| 19:37.50 | streuner | spx2: oh :-) read /topic |
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| 19:38.01 | liable | streuner: oh, and whats the point of that? (to save me checking) |
| 19:38.03 | isleshocky77 | xingu: yep |
| 19:38.07 | komozo | putty is also in Debian |
| 19:38.21 | isleshocky77 | It's fubared.. |
| 19:38.33 | isleshocky77 | I'm remote or I would think about a reinstall. |
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| 19:38.49 | streuner | liable: is that your crystal-thingie that makes you know what OS s(he) uses? ;-) |
| 19:39.06 | xingu | isleshocky77: the thing that's really odd is that /bin/tar is linked against quite an old libc - which debian dist is this? |
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| 19:39.09 | isleshocky77 | Like I said the only thing I was using on it was bind. |
| 19:39.22 | isleshocky77 | xingu: I believe etch |
| 19:39.47 | D-menT | hi, i have a little question, how a can do a downgrade of my kernel version?? i have etch with 2.6.22-2 and y want to downgrade to 2.6.18-5 |
| 19:39.49 | liable | streuner: not at all, i just never knew it was even used at all in linux, which if it is, seems incredibly retarded |
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| 19:39.57 | spx2 | streuner: I know,I've been here for a while |
| 19:40.01 | isleshocky77 | sources: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d6afb8af7 |
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| 19:40.10 | xingu | isleshocky77: do you have a strace binary installed? strace -fp tar -V |
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| 19:40.53 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Nope, doesn't look like it. |
| 19:40.55 | liable | D-menT: if you have etch, you should have the etch kernels installed.. |
| 19:41.02 | isleshocky77 | Wish I could install it :-/ |
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| 19:41.08 | liable | D-menT: if not, just install it |
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| 19:42.18 | xingu | isleshocky77: sounds like it's time for you to boot a rescue disk and get a debrokenated /bin/tar |
| 19:42.40 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Can you explain further, and can this be done remotely? |
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| 19:42.46 | xingu | isleshocky77: or, use another unix system to create one |
| 19:42.47 | isleshocky77 | Can I just upload the file? |
| 19:42.59 | lukas | xingu: I tried two external scsi drives |
| 19:43.04 | xingu | isleshocky77: yep, if you can extract it |
| 19:43.17 | xingu | lukas: but they're actual hdd's, spinning disks, not flash, right? |
| 19:43.21 | wols | D-menT: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 19:43.29 | isleshocky77 | How would I do that? |
| 19:43.39 | lukas | xingu: yes, two 3.5" drives |
| 19:43.39 | isleshocky77 | I have another debian of the same version in front of me. |
| 19:43.57 | isleshocky77 | liable: later, thanks for the help. |
| 19:43.59 | \amethyst | isleshocky77: what do which tar and md5sum $(which tar) say? |
| 19:44.01 | xingu | isleshocky77: oh, in that case just copy it onto a floopy or scp it or whatever. |
| 19:44.01 | wols | lukas: this is different from your usual self how? :) |
| 19:44.21 | wols | erm, liable ^^ |
| 19:44.22 | isleshocky77 | \amethyst: on the good or broken machine? |
| 19:44.23 | wols | ;) |
| 19:44.26 | \amethyst | isleshocky77: broken |
| 19:45.05 | D-menT | liable & wols , here is my problem, http://rafb.net/p/8kcBzQ33.html , and the reason to downgrade the kernel vesion.... |
| 19:45.14 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M? |
| 19:45.40 | \amethyst | strange... pdo is giving me German |
| 19:45.42 | isleshocky77 | \amethyst: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d724bbebf |
| 19:46.14 | Ace2016 | hi all |
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| 19:46.31 | liable | wols: i have just spent a day on a flying aluminium tube, i have a reason for my retadrness for once, you prolly dont! |
| 19:46.46 | Ace2016 | how do i turn an avi file into a dvd player disk?? my dvd can read dvd-r files but i need to put it in as vobs and stuff |
| 19:46.48 | isleshocky77 | xingu: \amethyst: my broken and good machines have the same md5sum |
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| 19:46.53 | \amethyst | isleshocky77: hmm |
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| 19:47.18 | isleshocky77 | does that mean copying from good to broken is going to do nothing? |
| 19:47.24 | \amethyst | correct |
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| 19:47.41 | \amethyst | you might want to check the versions and md5sums of all the libraries tar depends on |
| 19:47.52 | D-menT | some ideas ??? for this http://rafb.net/p/8kcBzQ33.html v,v |
| 19:47.56 | xingu | lukas: fair do, you should be able to push 10MB/s across that easily; not sure what else to suggest :| |
| 19:48.02 | sha1sum | hey guys... is there anyone that would know how to switch to portrait resolutions? I'm inside a vmware workstation, dunno if that matters |
| 19:48.03 | isleshocky77 | how do I get dependencies.. dpkg something.. |
| 19:48.07 | xingu | isleshocky77: try "hash -r" then tar -V again |
| 19:48.16 | sha1sum | I added the modeline to xorg.conf, but doesn't seem to be taking |
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| 19:48.47 | wols | D-menT: that's BS |
| 19:48.49 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Same seg fault |
| 19:49.13 | xingu | isleshocky77: anything in dmesg output? |
| 19:49.22 | liable | isleshocky77: is your box swapping? |
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| 19:50.17 | liable | isleshocky77: your tar shouldnt be segfaulting, but i dont believe your being truthfull either. (dont be offended by that) |
| 19:50.21 | isleshocky77 | xingu: yes |
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| 19:50.31 | isleshocky77 | liable: What do you mean? |
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| 19:50.54 | liable | isleshocky77: by swapping? |
| 19:51.03 | isleshocky77 | both swapping and the truth comment. |
| 19:51.15 | isleshocky77 | xingu: I have a lot in the dmesg output |
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| 19:51.53 | xingu | isleshocky77: paste last 10 lines or so if you can? |
| 19:53.22 | isleshocky77 | 10 I can do: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d3b3258b8 |
| 19:53.40 | xingu | now we're getting somewhere |
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| 19:54.35 | xingu | isleshocky77: what does swapon -s say? paste again |
| 19:55.08 | isleshocky77 | xingu: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d2905e265 |
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| 19:57.04 | baggend | I just resized a partition and now fdisk shows the correct new size, yet many other programs (notably lvm) still see the old size. Looking in /proc/partitions still shows the old size as well. Is there any way to tell the kernel that it should re-evaluate all disks again? |
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| 19:58.59 | wols | baggend: you resized the partition but not the filesystem |
| 19:59.15 | xingu | isleshocky77: hmm; well, so the problem is that some kernel data structure or other has gone bang and now your box can't allocate swap (and, it wants to) |
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| 19:59.45 | xingu | isleshocky77: try "echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" |
| 19:59.50 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Recommendation? Besides reinstall? Which is hard from 400 miles away. |
| 19:59.55 | xingu | isleshocky77: and schedule a reboot, *soon*. |
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| 19:59.59 | baggend | wols: Yes, but the filesystem size is irrelevant to me as I'm using lvm. But /proc/partitions should see the new size correctly, yet it doesn't. |
| 20:00.10 | xingu | isleshocky77: an attended one if it's 400 miles away |
| 20:00.15 | isleshocky77 | What do you mean "*soon*" |
| 20:00.35 | isleshocky77 | not just "shutdown -r now" ? |
| 20:00.41 | xingu | isleshocky77: next possible service window, preferably inside 24h |
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| 20:00.59 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Can I it now though? |
| 20:01.03 | xingu | isleshocky77: it might not come back up after the shutdown... |
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| 20:01.38 | isleshocky77 | Well there is no way to find out except to do it :-D, I live dangerously. I have 3 slave nameservers. lol |
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| 20:02.03 | isleshocky77 | xingu: http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/d51734bc4 |
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| 20:03.17 | wols | baggend: filesystem size is never irrelevant |
| 20:03.26 | wols | lvm is not a filesystem |
| 20:04.37 | lukas | xingu: well, could you say something about how to influence |
| 20:04.40 | lukas | or test? |
| 20:04.42 | baggend | wols: Filesystem is QUITE irrelevant at this point, as all filesystems are created INSIDE of lv's. I just need the partition size to be updated properly so that lvm will use it. After that's done then I can worry about the FS size inside of the lv's. |
| 20:04.43 | xingu | isleshocky77: what does uname -r say? |
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| 20:05.01 | isleshocky77 | xingu: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:05.03 | helo_ | how do i regenerate my xorg.conf for a new monitor? |
| 20:05.55 | helo_ | installed nvidia driver, nm :) |
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| 20:07.49 | Max_- | I "aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d network-makanger-kde" and "modprobe ipw3945"... I rebooted since too... Now I need to setup my WAP2 secured hidden wireless network and I need help with that... KNetworkManager doesn't have many options for setting such a network at first sight. Please! :) |
| 20:08.11 | xingu | isleshocky77: hmm, that figures then; a kernel that old could have any kind of memory leak |
| 20:08.26 | xingu | isleshocky77: not saying that it's the wrong kernel, because it's probably the right one for your system/distribution |
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| 20:08.46 | isleshocky77 | hmm.. |
| 20:08.54 | xingu | isleshocky77: but from my perspective, I last touched 2.4 way back in what, '02 or something? :) |
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| 20:09.12 | xingu | isleshocky77: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 20:09.25 | isleshocky77 | Weird. the machine isn't that old and I had put the most stable debian on at the time, and I did a dist-upgrade a few months ago on it and had it working fine. |
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| 20:09.40 | freezer | hi |
| 20:09.56 | liable | Max_-: i dont think NM deals with hidden networks well |
| 20:10.07 | freezer | cpio: warning: skipped 1886 bytes of junk |
| 20:10.07 | freezer | cpio: memory exhausted |
| 20:10.19 | isleshocky77 | xingu: version 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 20:10.30 | liable | Max_-: i suggest setting it in wpa_supp config first to get it working |
| 20:10.44 | freezer | want to extract a 1.5gb tar file, looks like cpio want to read in the whole file in memory, but i only have 1GB of ram |
| 20:11.02 | liable | Max_-: NM has many problems atm due to every card having a different way to deal with shit |
| 20:11.28 | xingu | liable: do you happen to know if 2.4 is an installable kernel for etch? |
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| 20:11.54 | liable | xingu: at install yes, and so i suppose still supported |
| 20:12.25 | xingu | liable: *nod* |
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| 20:12.30 | liable | xingu: its a boot option at install |
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| 20:12.57 | theclaw | hi |
| 20:12.59 | xingu | isleshocky77: I don't think there's too much more you can do to diagnose; if the box has a relatively long uptime and this is the first incident, I'd start on the assumption that it might be a kernel memory leak |
| 20:13.18 | xingu | isleshocky77: reboot, and plan for it not coming back up (in case it's actually a hardware fault) |
| 20:13.31 | techouse | how can i reinstall the alsa driver? |
| 20:13.32 | xingu | liable: cheers |
| 20:13.53 | isleshocky77 | xingu: I already rebooted 2 times before coming in here. |
| 20:13.54 | theclaw | techouse: alsa is included with your kernel, normally |
| 20:13.56 | isleshocky77 | It booted, but same problem. |
| 20:14.14 | techouse | so what then? |
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| 20:14.23 | theclaw | techouse: if you're using a 2.6 kernel. (i guess you do?) |
| 20:14.29 | theclaw | techouse: why do you want to reinstall? |
| 20:14.40 | theclaw | techouse: maybe reinstalling isn't the solution |
| 20:14.42 | isleshocky77 | I'll try again. |
| 20:14.49 | techouse | cause i compiled a new one and that one didn't work so i uninstalled the compilde thing |
| 20:14.53 | Max_- | liable: okay, taking a look at wpa_supp... anything better than NM which would do the job? |
| 20:14.54 | techouse | now there's no driver |
| 20:15.01 | isleshocky77 | xingu: ok, it's going down. |
| 20:15.03 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.26 | theclaw | techouse: mit "alsa driver", what exactly do you mean? the kernel modules? |
| 20:15.44 | techouse | that onw whic you can obtain on the alsa website |
| 20:15.49 | Ace2016 | i need to make a playable dvd out of an avi |
| 20:15.49 | techouse | the sourcefiles |
| 20:15.55 | techouse | compiled and installed |
| 20:16.10 | liable | Max_-: i use wpa-supp exclusevly, set up the conf with your networks, fire it up, and if theres no matching networks, then associate with an open one if available. works a treat for me. |
| 20:16.13 | techouse | maybe they got overwritten |
| 20:16.22 | techouse | i mean the orrigial drivers |
| 20:16.30 | techouse | original* |
| 20:16.37 | Tramp_ | Ace2016: Use transcode to transcode/mplex into mpeg2, then author a DVD (dvdauthor, dvdwizard or the like) |
| 20:16.37 | dto | i just installed bash-doc, but it's not showing up in the Emacs info menu |
| 20:16.55 | theclaw | techouse: whats the reason for not using the alsa drivers shipped with debian? |
| 20:17.00 | dto | do i have to take an extra step to rebuild the info index? |
| 20:17.05 | liable | Max_-: if you know theres no known networks available, just associate with iwconfig manually, all done in 15 seconds. |
| 20:17.27 | techouse | emm...i've 2 soundcards and have tried to set my audigy as default |
| 20:17.31 | techouse | without success |
| 20:17.56 | xingu | isleshocky77: in that case you're left with two possibilities; possibly, your last stable kernel has been upgraded and you're running something both newer and less stable; or, you have flaky hardware |
| 20:18.11 | techouse | so i tried to install all the new alsa things and ended up with no detectable soundcard |
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| 20:18.28 | isleshocky77 | xingu: Have instructions for upgrading the kernel? |
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| 20:18.34 | theclaw | techouse: maybe installing alsa-source works |
| 20:18.45 | techouse | yes...well..i did that |
| 20:18.47 | techouse | now what? |
| 20:18.48 | liable | Max_-: i know the whole new thing is to move away from config files and stuff, but it really is sweet when you know the backend tools well and can use them quickly. not to mention geek points when people see the -dd output of wpasupp scrolling by before it associates :) |
| 20:18.53 | theclaw | techouse: thats a "source package", you can install it via module-assistant |
| 20:18.53 | techouse | compile from that? |
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| 20:19.01 | xingu | isleshocky77: if the oops message in dmesg/kern.log always lists the same virtual address with every oops, it's probably a kernel bug; if it lists different ones, it's ~likely to be a hardware fault |
| 20:19.05 | isleshocky77 | It's running on a brand new dell which I got about year ago, maybe less. And it hasn't been running anything other then bind and apache. with apache not being used. |
| 20:19.09 | techouse | module-assistant |
| 20:19.11 | techouse | hmm |
| 20:19.21 | Max_- | liable: okay, thanks, you're right! |
| 20:19.30 | theclaw | techouse: run module-assistant as root, a menu will show up |
| 20:19.40 | xingu | isleshocky77: has the kernel been upgraded along with everything else in the last month I think you said? |
| 20:19.49 | xingu | isleshocky77: if so I'd be tempted to try reverting to the previous |
| 20:20.01 | Ace2016 | you guys are great at the techincal questions but turning an avi to a dvd and no one has an answer, strange place #debian |
| 20:20.08 | theclaw | techouse: it generated a .deb-package, which is then installed |
| 20:20.17 | isleshocky77 | About 3 months ago, but I thought it had with the dist-upgrade. |
| 20:20.21 | isleshocky77 | xingu: How do I do that? |
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| 20:20.42 | liable | Max_-: the docs for wpasupp in /usr/share/doc are really quite good for setting up your conf. if you like i can paste mine for an idea.. but they are quite self explanetory |
| 20:20.44 | isleshocky77 | xingu: The Oops is 0000 ... |
| 20:20.48 | xingu | isleshocky77: via your boot loader ;) (I'm not running training courses on that tonight, I'm about to disappear to go eat dinner and nurse my busted thumb) |
| 20:21.06 | xingu | isleshocky77: ... virtual address 08e8c358 |
| 20:21.08 | techouse | i ran module-assistant and no menu showed up...it's just a lot of help text |
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| 20:21.37 | theclaw | techouse: try module-assistant -i |
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| 20:21.41 | Tramp | Ace2016: I told you. Scroll up. |
| 20:21.42 | isleshocky77 | That's the EIP? |
| 20:21.45 | liable | techouse: what are you trying to compile? |
| 20:21.46 | theclaw | hi Tramp! |
| 20:21.49 | isleshocky77 | yeah. it's that address again. |
| 20:21.49 | Max_- | Trying to install stuff here, with aptitude, now I get an error for one file : "ftp://ftp.us.debian.org etch/contrib ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 2.6.18+1.1.3-4+etch1 [ERROR] Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. " [IP...] o.0 What happens!?!? Everything worked A1 for the rest... |
| 20:22.00 | Tramp | theclaw: Cheers 8) |
| 20:22.09 | techouse | alsa driver from alsa-source |
| 20:22.19 | techouse | -i did the same thing |
| 20:22.21 | liable | Max_-: change mirror |
| 20:22.46 | Max_- | liable: Can I just add one and it will try on both if not found on first??? |
| 20:22.50 | theclaw | techouse: try module-assistant a-i alsa |
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| 20:22.59 | liable | Max_-: mirrors crap out every once in a while. just change and move on |
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| 20:23.08 | Ace2016 | damn |
| 20:23.11 | liable | Max_-: sure |
| 20:23.17 | Macskeeball | I use Debian Etch, and I've noticed a strange directory called _switch inside ~. It contains a directory called img which contains the same items that are in ~ except for _switch. Does anyone have any idea what this directory is and where it may have come from? |
| 20:23.26 | Max_- | liable: alright, adding some to sources.list :) |
| 20:23.28 | techouse | it's gont into the ./configure mode now |
| 20:23.32 | Ace2016 | i pressed ctrl+w instead of ctrl+s, but it should have been ctrl+f, damn |
| 20:23.38 | Ace2016 | can you say what it was |
| 20:23.45 | techouse | it's making something :) |
| 20:23.47 | theclaw | techouse: that is, "it works"? |
| 20:23.52 | theclaw | okay, nice |
| 20:23.58 | techouse | it compiles, yes |
| 20:24.04 | techouse | :) |
| 20:24.05 | theclaw | pray 8) |
| 20:24.11 | Tramp | Ace2016: Use transcode to transcode/mplex into mpeg2, then author a DVD (dvdauthor, dvdwizard or the like) |
| 20:24.30 | isleshocky77 | xingu: df comes up with a sef fault as well |
| 20:24.41 | theclaw | techouse: but normally this shouldn't be necessary, as alsa is included with your kernel |
| 20:25.00 | theclaw | techouse: but it shouldn't do any harm, either |
| 20:25.02 | techouse | well.....seems that with make uninstall i removed it |
| 20:25.30 | theclaw | likely |
| 20:25.31 | Ace2016 | thanks |
| 20:25.32 | Tramp | Ace2016: You can also search for a "encode2mpeg" to understand the toolchain. (It uses mencoder, not transcode). It is not completely trivial to do. |
| 20:25.45 | techouse | cause it should detect only my audigy 2 zs, as i have disabled the nvdia in bios |
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| 20:25.59 | techouse | nvidia soundcard that is |
| 20:26.20 | s-andy | does debian testing contain compiz-fusion? |
| 20:26.21 | Macskeeball | I've tried googling for "_switch" (with quotes and adding terms like linux or debian, but I'm not finding anything relevant. |
| 20:26.34 | theclaw | s-andy: look at packages.debian.org |
| 20:27.22 | s-andy | compiz package is compiz-fusion or just compiz? |
| 20:27.38 | Macskeeball | Search for compiz, include subwords |
| 20:27.42 | theclaw | techouse: I disabled my onboard sound chip and it doesn't show up (in lspci) |
| 20:27.43 | techouse | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 20:27.43 | techouse | Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
| 20:27.49 | techouse | is that ok? |
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| 20:28.02 | liable | deabin id way behind with the funky stuff |
| 20:28.13 | liable | which shits me personally |
| 20:28.18 | theclaw | techouse: doesn't look okay in my opinion |
| 20:28.22 | theclaw | no modules are loaded |
| 20:28.24 | liable | oh dear |
| 20:28.36 | techouse | help? |
| 20:28.45 | theclaw | hrm |
| 20:28.49 | liable | !typosmite me |
| 20:28.55 | theclaw | techouse: try running alsaconf |
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| 20:29.21 | techouse | it found something |
| 20:29.27 | liable | techouse: dude disable the onboard in bios |
| 20:29.27 | techouse | *pray* |
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| 20:29.38 | techouse | liable: i did |
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| 20:29.55 | theclaw | techouse: could you give me the output of "lspci"? |
| 20:30.10 | liable | techouse: then its should just find the one, and everyone lives happily ever after |
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| 20:30.37 | h3sp4wn | techouse: probably it would be picked up on boot again (if you want a newer alsaconf then you need a newer alsa-utils so backport that also - I am sure I told you all of this just yesterday |
| 20:30.56 | zoidy | is it possible to add a new cron job directly from the command line, that is without using crontab -e to open a text editor? |
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| 20:31.07 | catoblepa | hi |
| 20:31.26 | techouse | i know backporting, yes |
| 20:31.28 | techouse | ;) |
| 20:31.37 | liable | zoidy: you want to add a cronjob without using an editor? |
| 20:32.04 | catoblepa | any problems with ekiga-gtkonly? |
| 20:32.07 | zoidy | liable: exactly |
| 20:32.23 | liable | zoidy: well, you lose :) |
| 20:32.25 | techouse | ok...i'll restart now to see if the sound works |
| 20:32.27 | techouse | :) |
| 20:32.38 | liable | restart? |
| 20:32.42 | isleshocky77 | xingu: liable: Does this mean it's software? http://isleshocky77.pastebin.com/ded7573a the tar was to 58c01082 the df was to 08e8c358 |
| 20:32.45 | zoidy | liable: is it seriously not possible to add a cronjob without user interaction? |
| 20:32.49 | Orion_X11 | I am having an issue with yelp. Every time that I try to run it I can see any application help and it complains about stylesheet with this message > " |
| 20:32.50 | Orion_X11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.01 | dto | how do i figure out which files a given package installed? |
| 20:33.20 | wols | dto: dpkg -L |
| 20:33.45 | Alarm-- | to remove the grub from my mbr and let it load windows normaly , is this command that i found correct: ms-sys -m /dev/hda ? |
| 20:34.23 | liable | zoidy: appart from xmms-alarm, i know of no cron jobs that you can set without being root |
| 20:34.23 | dto | wols: thanks |
| 20:34.49 | zoidy | liable: I am root, I just don't want to open an editor |
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| 20:34.57 | Alarm-- | i found also :dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdX bs=446 count=1 |
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| 20:35.05 | zoidy | zoidy: isnt it possible for it to read from STDIN? |
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| 20:35.37 | wols | Alarm--: donÄt use that dd command. ever |
| 20:35.51 | liable | zoidy: i dunno and dont want to know why, but you have to realise, that thats the way you do shit.. |
| 20:35.53 | Alarm-- | ok, i wont |
| 20:35.55 | Tramp | zoidy: of course, read the manpage. |
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| 20:36.17 | Alarm-- | but every search i do on google, it tells me about the shitty ms backup disk or installation xp cd. |
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| 20:36.23 | Alarm-- | isnt there a way through linux |
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| 20:36.36 | Tramp | zoidy: why would you want to use "-e" ? |
| 20:36.40 | zoidy | Tramp: I did, and I see the mention of stdin but I honestly don't understand how its done. Any help? |
| 20:36.47 | techouse | another problem... |
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| 20:36.52 | wols | Alarm--: ms-sys should do it just fine |
| 20:36.56 | liable | Alarm--: you want to remove grub? |
| 20:37.15 | click170 | Does anybody have advice on what to use for an organization looking for a linux solution to M$'s Exchange? |
| 20:37.16 | liable | Alarm--: fixmbr should do it |
| 20:37.16 | Alarm-- | i want to remove grub so that windows will boot normaly |
| 20:37.23 | techouse | when i try to set the sound system now in kde's control center it displays the welcome screen and no settings for the soundcard |
| 20:37.26 | techouse | :P |
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| 20:37.34 | Tramp | zoidy: e.g. redirect contab -l to a file, use grep/sed whatever to edit the file, then "crontab file". Or just a long pipe with "crontab -" at the end. |
| 20:37.34 | wols | alindeman: that's the "shitty installation xp cd" |
| 20:37.36 | Alarm-- | liable, please stop it :) thats what i just said if u see above. i want to do it through linux |
| 20:37.40 | wols | erm, liable |
| 20:37.42 | s-andy | theclaw: http://packages.debian.org/compiz - how can I determine if this is compiz-fusion?.. |
| 20:37.52 | wols | Alarm--: so what's wrong with ms-sys? |
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| 20:38.03 | bdheeman | after upgrading to vanilla kernel 2.6.23.1, I'm unable to find /dev/ttyACM[0-9], the /etc/udev/rules.d does not have any rules for ACM as well as Serial devices, but I can see /dev/ttyS[0-4] and use these |
| 20:38.13 | zoidy | Tramp: thanks, I'll use a file then instead of stdin |
| 20:38.19 | liable | Alarm--: you *cant* do it through linux |
| 20:38.35 | wols | liable: how do you know? |
| 20:38.39 | Alarm-- | liable, then wols seems to have a different opinion |
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| 20:38.40 | liable | Alarm--: you need a windows disk to rewrite the mbr |
| 20:38.43 | Tramp | zoidy: Yes, that's probably a bit easier. |
| 20:38.43 | Alarm-- | wols i will try it |
| 20:38.51 | wols | liable: check out ms-sys |
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| 20:39.15 | theclaw | s-andy: i don't think its compiz fusion |
| 20:39.29 | liable | wols: i won't, but take your word for it. |
| 20:39.56 | theclaw | s-andy: oh, wait. |
| 20:39.59 | Alarm-- | hehe. ok no need to argue . i will try it :) |
| 20:40.15 | liable | wols: i would love to see someone repair their windows mbr with that though |
| 20:40.37 | s-andy | theclaw: I guess it is not... just not sure |
| 20:40.43 | s-andy | theclaw: seems like compiz-fusion must have ccsm... this one does not |
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| 20:40.57 | theclaw | s-andy: according the the version numbers it is compiz fusion |
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| 20:41.51 | s-andy | theclaw: what about ccsm? where it is? |
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| 20:42.12 | theclaw | s-andy: whats ccsm? |
| 20:42.20 | liable | Alarm--: we dont argue, we just make points of view :) |
| 20:42.33 | s-andy | theclaw: ccsm as I understood is something like GUI |
| 20:42.41 | Alarm-- | :) |
| 20:42.42 | lou_gr | what can I do about compiz? Failed test: texture_from_pixmap support |
| 20:42.43 | Max_- | liable: wow... the missing file is not on [debian.lcs.mit.edu][linux.csua.berkeley.edu][debian.yorku.ca][mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca][ftp.us.debian.org][mirrors.kernel.org] and [gulus.usherbrooke.ca]... o.0 I guess I won't find it on debian mirrors :P |
| 20:42.45 | theclaw | s-andy: don't know :) |
| 20:43.00 | s-andy | theclaw: me too :) |
| 20:43.08 | liable | Max_-: what are you looking for? |
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| 20:43.47 | liable | Max_-: if i find this file, you owe me many virtual beers! |
| 20:44.01 | Max_- | liable: ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 20:44.15 | liable | and hurry up too, i am hitting a wall and need to sleep |
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| 20:44.38 | liable | Max_-: upgrade your kernel first |
| 20:44.52 | Max_- | liable: I installed everything yesterday... |
| 20:45.00 | Max_- | liable: kernel is fresssshhhhhhh |
| 20:45.02 | liable | Max_-: there is security upgrades you have missed out on |
| 20:45.23 | Max_- | liable: how do I get them? I hit U anytime I get on aptiitude |
| 20:45.50 | assasukasse | hi, is there anyone that was able to make lucent scorpio modem in etch? |
| 20:45.52 | liable | Max_-: its -5 for a while now |
| 20:46.41 | liable | Max_-: i suggest you subsribe to debian-security-announce |
| 20:46.51 | Max_- | liable: im on it |
| 20:47.04 | liable | Max_-: well, -5 is out |
| 20:47.06 | Max_- | liable: but thought updates were broadcasted through apt too |
| 20:47.27 | Max_- | liable: okay.. lets get that file then |
| 20:47.30 | Max_- | liable: thanks |
| 20:47.52 | Alarm-- | ms-sys , command not found . |
| 20:48.58 | Max_- | this version was already installed >.< |
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| 20:49.01 | Max_- | okay, good night, thanks a lot |
| 20:49.02 | Alarm-- | thats not good |
| 20:49.08 | click170 | Does anybody have advice on what to use for an organization looking for a linux solution to M$'s Exchange? |
| 20:49.12 | liable | Max_-: no |
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| 20:49.37 | Max_- | liable: no what?! |
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| 20:49.37 | liable | Max_-: uname -r |
| 20:49.55 | techouse | @theclaw: now it gives me the error that device: default can't be opened for playback (no suck file or directory) |
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| 20:50.01 | Max_- | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 20:50.05 | helo_ | if i boot a debian install from an old hard drive using qemu, and then put hte hard drive back in its original computer, will all of the original device drivers and settings be intact? |
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| 20:50.41 | liable | Max_-: right, well thats good, you should be able to get ipw modules for that kernel |
| 20:50.50 | Max_- | :D |
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| 20:53.49 | blahdeblah | Hi. Does Firefox need to be restarted after applying the latest xulrunner security patches? |
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| 20:54.07 | blahdeblah | The bulletin doesn't seem to indicate. |
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| 20:54.43 | epsilon | is it such a big deal to restart a browser? |
| 20:54.53 | blahdeblah | epsilon: Yes |
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| 20:55.29 | epsilon | <bofh> in this case, yes. </> |
| 20:55.33 | Eulex | blahdeblah, if you're going to miss your millions of open tabs: kill firefox, answer yes when it asks you whether you restore your open tabs when you start it. |
| 20:55.52 | Eulex | *whether to |
| 20:55.54 | blahdeblah | epsilon: Some of us have 4 or 5 windows with 10 tabs each open, often for weeks at a time. :-) If it's not required, i try to avoid restarting. |
| 20:56.02 | blahdeblah | Eulex: I know - i just want to avoid it if possible. |
| 20:56.33 | Eulex | blahdeblah, you won't lose your open tabs. I dunno if it saves all your windows (I always just have one open window) but it should |
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| 20:56.49 | blahdeblah | Eulex: Yes, it does save all windows |
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| 20:57.04 | blahdeblah | I've done what you're talking about many times before. |
| 20:57.18 | blahdeblah | What i'm trying to work out is whether it's necessary in this case. |
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| 20:57.32 | Eulex | yes it is. |
| 20:57.51 | blahdeblah | Eulex: Got any links to info about that? |
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| 20:58.05 | Eulex | any security update requires you to restart the application in question -- the application won't just automatically reload its binary. |
| 20:58.14 | Eulex | blahdeblah, yes, google for common sense ;) |
| 20:58.34 | blahdeblah | Eulex: :-p |
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| 20:58.47 | theclaw | techouse: don't know |
| 20:58.50 | Eulex | blahdeblah, when you start an application, what is loaded into memory is the binary _as it was at that moment_ |
| 20:58.53 | henke | How do I change the keyboard layout used in tty's? |
| 20:58.53 | Alarm-- | wols, still here? |
| 20:59.02 | techouse | :( |
| 20:59.06 | theclaw | techouse: hrm, i suppose /etc/dsp doesn't exist? |
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| 20:59.19 | theclaw | err |
| 20:59.23 | theclaw | /dev/dsp |
| 20:59.40 | blahdeblah | Eulex: I'm not an idiot. It's just that i *thought* that XUL was connected with Firefox, but i can't remember for sure, and there's nothing in the security bulletin that suggests a relationship. |
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| 21:00.19 | theclaw | techouse: does /dev/adsp exist? |
| 21:00.38 | Jemt | Greets. I have just managed to get GRUB to boot from an CD - but how do I load a kernel and initrd image from a USB flash device ? |
| 21:00.39 | helo_ | is there a quake-based fps client in the repos? |
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| 21:00.42 | Max_- | using, wpa_passphrase, if there are spaces in the passphrase, how do I indicate them? using "pass phrase" or pass\ phrase or something else??? |
| 21:00.56 | techouse | yes |
| 21:01.31 | theclaw | techouse: and /dev/dsp ? |
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| 21:01.46 | Eulex | blahdeblah, oh. might actually be the case that it is not, I'm not sure either. sorry for the noise. |
| 21:01.52 | techouse | yes |
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| 21:02.17 | techouse | i've read that i sould kill the arts deamon and then see what happens |
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| 21:02.49 | theclaw | techouse: hmm.. you should look whether your audigy 2 is supported |
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| 21:03.27 | theclaw | techouse: where does the error ("no such file or directory") appear? |
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| 21:03.52 | techouse | kde control center ---> sound systemž |
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| 21:04.07 | theclaw | techouse: try to play with an applications like mplayer |
| 21:04.20 | techouse | i try with amarok |
| 21:04.23 | techouse | :P |
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| 21:04.33 | theclaw | techouse: try with mplayer, the error message might be better ;) |
| 21:04.40 | techouse | oh |
| 21:04.41 | techouse | ok |
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| 21:05.16 | theclaw | techouse: try with mplayer -ao alsa filename and mplayer -ao oss filename |
| 21:05.28 | techouse | oky |
| 21:05.34 | nikolavp | hmm i just installed a new system with debian and kde |
| 21:05.38 | nikolavp | can someone tell me where can i find the konq-plugins package ? |
| 21:05.48 | techouse | just gotta wait for apt-get to finish |
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| 21:09.08 | blahdeblah | Eulex: Looks like it's not dependent - http://rafb.net/p/L7vK3I80.html |
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| 21:10.44 | helo_ | what happened to armagetron? |
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| 21:11.31 | taime1 | shouldn pidgin be in the repos? |
| 21:11.33 | helo_ | oh, never mind |
| 21:11.39 | taime1 | or do i need a .deb? |
| 21:11.40 | helo_ | not in stable |
| 21:11.45 | taime1 | oh, i see |
| 21:11.48 | helo_ | you can get a backlport i bet |
| 21:11.54 | taime1 | that would be my answer then |
| 21:11.56 | taime1 | thanks |
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| 21:12.49 | taime1 | whoa...how do you leave in xchat? |
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| 21:12.55 | vy | After upgrading firefox in my debian unstable box, firefox started to freeze while opening sub-windows. (e.g. bookmark page window.) Has anybody faced a similar problem? (Creating ~/.mozilla from scratch didn't make a difference.) |
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| 21:13.03 | epsilon | levae chan? /part |
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| 21:13.29 | epsilon | there should be also /disconnect from server |
| 21:13.55 | gkiagia | is that a joke? |
| 21:13.56 | gkiagia | [00:07] [470] #debian #debian-overflow Forwarding to another channel |
| 21:13.56 | gkiagia | [00:07] [473] #debian-overflow You need to be invited to that channel |
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| 21:14.29 | epsilon | nope, happens more accidental, but kinda intended |
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| 21:15.06 | gkiagia | I understand the scope of forwarding to another channel..... but I don't understand why the other channel is invite only |
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| 21:16.17 | Eulex | gkiagia, #debian-overflow is for flood protection. dpkg regularly updates the maximum allowed number of users in here. if users join too fast... they will start becoming forwarded to that channel. |
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| 21:17.37 | Eulex | oh. I'm not sure why it claims to be invite-only. maybe to prevent users from actually getting there ^^. so they'll just be kept out of the channel. |
| 21:17.49 | gkiagia | so it is just there to deny access... I see |
| 21:18.00 | gkiagia | nice hack ;) |
| 21:18.15 | Eulex | it's a guess. |
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| 21:18.27 | Eulex | but I don't see any reason for users to linger in #debian-overflow |
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| 21:20.59 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 21:21.07 | HardDisk_WP | can someone please help me with ALC268 audio chipset? |
| 21:21.23 | HardDisk_WP | I run selfmade 2.6.23.1, but sound doesnt work |
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| 21:22.35 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, did you compiled the right modules for your sound card? |
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| 21:23.11 | HardDisk_WP | I run a Compal FL90 notebook w/ Intel ICH8 chipset |
| 21:23.23 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, yepp, snd-hda-intel is included |
| 21:23.25 | HardDisk_WP | in kmix there appear channels, but the wrong ones... |
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| 21:23.42 | smhar | !ask dpkg vmware |
| 21:23.54 | smhar | !vmware |
| 21:23.55 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 21:24.14 | smhar | ask dpkg vmware support |
| 21:24.15 | yetibot | Hi, I did the instructions from dpkg about nvidia_post_etch, and it seemed to compile, and install, i got the message about "taints kernel", but then when i tried to start X it says it can't find the module nvidia |
| 21:24.31 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, 'wrong ones'? |
| 21:24.34 | HardDisk_WP | yetibot, you ahve to compile own kernel |
| 21:24.44 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, snd-hda-intel is the right one |
| 21:24.50 | Eulex | smhar, /msg dpkg vmware support |
| 21:25.09 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, but what do you mean by wrong channels? |
| 21:25.09 | yetibot | HardDisk_WP: can't i use nvidia on lenny without compiling a kernel? |
| 21:25.19 | HardDisk_WP | yetibot, correct |
| 21:25.29 | HardDisk_WP | it's easy, fortunately |
| 21:25.49 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, normally there should be a channel "Front", not only one named "Headphones" |
| 21:25.50 | NetEcho | where on the debian site can I download the netinst image for lenny? |
| 21:25.51 | Eulex | shouldn't it be possible to use the nvidia driver with the 2.6.22 kernel in etch? |
| 21:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, no |
| 21:26.00 | yetibot | HardDisk_WP: do you mean a whole kernel or just the module? |
| 21:26.06 | HardDisk_WP | 2.6.22 has PARAVIRT_OPS enabled |
| 21:26.10 | HardDisk_WP | making nv drivers not work |
| 21:26.18 | Eulex | ok |
| 21:26.29 | Eulex | rather, it's a bug in the kernel. |
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| 21:26.35 | HardDisk_WP | yetibot, whole kernel. shouldnt take you more than one hour on a normal machine (3ghz cpu) |
| 21:26.45 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, you mean nvidia stuff? |
| 21:26.49 | yetibot | even when i was using the 2.6.18 kernel with the xorg in lenny the nvidia didn't work |
| 21:27.08 | yetibot | i will just downgrade to etch |
| 21:27.18 | Eulex | the nvidia driver _should_ work regardlessly, _if_ a specific function that it is supposed to be able to use isn't available to it, due to a kernel bug. |
| 21:27.18 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 21:27.30 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, its not a kernel bug |
| 21:27.35 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, yes it is. |
| 21:27.38 | HardDisk_WP | it's a mistake of kernel maintainer |
| 21:27.41 | Eulex | no. |
| 21:28.01 | Eulex | it's a bug in the paravirtualization that makes a specific function use a gpl-only function. |
| 21:28.29 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 21:29.25 | Eulex | and that function is supposed to be available even to drivers that aren't gpl-only. but as it uses a gpl-only function... non-gpl drivers can't use it. |
| 21:29.25 | Eulex | I don't remember what kernel version it was fixed in, though. |
| 21:29.25 | Eulex | might be 2.6.23. |
| 21:29.29 | HardDisk_WP | dunno, i disabled paravirt for my homebrew 2.6.23 |
| 21:30.44 | Eulex | according to some quick googling it was fixed in 2.6.23 |
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| 21:31.22 | Eulex | http://lwn.net/Articles/2.6-kernel-api/ |
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| 21:31.28 | yetibot | i just downgraded xorg and now it works again |
| 21:31.32 | crm | hi hi |
| 21:31.43 | crm | i want to build xorg but don't want to hose my package configuration |
| 21:31.45 | Eulex | oh, that was even in 2.6.22. |
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| 21:31.52 | crm | does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 21:32.13 | Eulex | !wayttd crm |
| 21:32.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, crm? |
| 21:32.24 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, "# unregister_chrdev() now returns void." for 2.6.23...another thing what wrecks the NV driver |
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| 21:33.01 | crm | Eulex, im having trouble with just building the radeon driver for my machine.. i think there are some incompatibilities with Xorg |
| 21:33.03 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, oh |
| 21:33.12 | Eulex | crm, why are you building it? |
| 21:33.18 | fiddles | hey im triny got install lenny and i get an error installing the base system: the debootstrap program exited with an error |
| 21:33.22 | crm | Eulex, so im figure I should build an entire xorg package |
| 21:33.36 | Eulex | crm, and well, if you're _building_ it, you must make sure that you have both a compatible xorg and mesa version. |
| 21:33.37 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, the second thing in 2.6.23 breaking NV is # The destructor argument has been removed from kmem_cache_create(), as destructors are no longer supported. All in-kernel callers have been updated. |
| 21:33.38 | valdyn | fiddles: you should boostrap stable first |
| 21:33.45 | nikolavp | hmm how can i fix the gpg problem with apt ? |
| 21:33.46 | nikolavp | W: GPG error: ftp://debian.ludost.net unstable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B629A24C38C6029A |
| 21:33.47 | HardDisk_WP | but there is a hotfix on the web |
| 21:33.52 | valdyn | nikolavp: read the topic |
| 21:34.07 | HardDisk_WP | !no public key |
| 21:34.07 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 21:34.15 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, ok |
| 21:34.21 | crm | Eulex, you wouldn't happen to have some online links on how to do it? |
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| 21:34.52 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, see also http://www.linuxinsight.com/files/nvidia-fix.patch |
| 21:35.13 | Eulex | crm, why do you think that you need to do it? if you don't have very very special needs you shouldn't even try. |
| 21:35.49 | nikolavp | ah thanks valdyn |
| 21:36.09 | crm | Eulex, i would rather not do it.. but im getting heaps of errors when running anything using glx on the new drivers i built |
| 21:36.22 | Eulex | crm, but basically, if you're building the radeon driver from git, you'll most likely need both xorg _and_ mesa from git too. |
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| 21:36.53 | dto | hey folks. i'd like to create a collection of custom-made debian packages out of several things I want to patch and/or compile from source: the realtime kernel, pure data, ardour2, snd, emacs, etc |
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| 21:37.03 | valdyn | ..+ and an updated kernel module on top, possibly |
| 21:37.21 | crm | Eulex, that's what i thought..though.. coming back to my original concern.. is there a way to make it a package rather than the usual "make install"? |
| 21:37.25 | black_13 | how do i disable bootup out from the kernel |
| 21:37.33 | valdyn | crm: why are you doing this? |
| 21:37.41 | crm | Eulex, im concerned about screwing up my configuration |
| 21:37.57 | Eulex | crm, I'd recommend going back to the drivers in etch if possible, if you don't have very special reasons to not use them. I have personal experience building such drivers from git/svn, and it's a royal PITA. |
| 21:38.01 | crm | Eulex, and a package means i can roll back |
| 21:38.06 | Eulex | valdyn, yeah, drm + libdrm |
| 21:38.17 | Eulex | crm, how to get a package? you package it. |
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| 21:38.25 | crm | Eulex, i have a "very special" reason to use different ones |
| 21:38.26 | Eulex | !tell crm about nm |
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| 21:38.43 | fiddles | valydn: you mean i should install ethc firt? |
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| 21:38.51 | valdyn | crm: this is totally unsupportable by debian, you are better off asking in a forum that is specifically for that driver |
| 21:39.15 | valdyn | fiddles: yes |
| 21:39.16 | Eulex | crm, ok. even the ones in unstable or experimental wouldn't do for you? |
| 21:39.24 | dto | oops, i killed X by mistake |
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| 21:39.47 | crm | Eulex, they might.. should i change my sources.lst for that? |
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| 21:40.15 | Eulex | crm, yes. but what version do you need? |
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| 21:41.13 | Eulex | crm, (yes, I recommend running unstable or even the packages from experimental before building those from git, but be aware that unstable is... well, unstable) |
| 21:41.31 | crm | Eulex, i think i should just build the entire xorg package.. though don't know how to build it as a package |
| 21:41.40 | valdyn | god |
| 21:41.49 | valdyn | crm: do you have _Any_ idea what you arew talking of? |
| 21:41.51 | Eulex | crm, xorg is not _one_ package. |
| 21:41.51 | gimpy | how do i remove a package that's only partially installed? |
| 21:41.57 | Eulex | crm, it is a couple of hundred. |
| 21:42.03 | crm | crap |
| 21:42.05 | HardDisk_WP | gimpy, dpkg --purge NAME |
| 21:42.07 | valdyn | crm: you can surely rebuild whole debian too but that doesnt mean it will solve anything or work |
| 21:42.17 | gimpy | that won't work, i have to fully install it for it to be purged |
| 21:42.33 | wols | Alarm--: yes I am here. sorta |
| 21:42.41 | valdyn | gimpy: why cant you fully install it first? |
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| 21:42.54 | Shadow_7 | so there's no easy fix to the ati issues with xorg in sid? My last upgrade seems to have rendered anything ati quirky. Vesa works fine though. As fine as 1024x768 on a 1280x800 screen can be anyway. |
| 21:43.04 | Alarm-- | ehm its ok, ms-sys was missing , but i got kind of troubles , now i am rebooting hope i didnt destroy the mbr at all :) |
| 21:43.07 | Alarm-- | soon i will now |
| 21:43.07 | Eulex | crm, you know, you do not sound very trustworthy telling us that you need a newer version of the radeon driver without being able to tell us what version you actually need. |
| 21:43.15 | crm | Eulex, can i show you the errors im getting when running anything using glx? |
| 21:43.25 | gimpy | because it needs dbus and even though dbus is fine it won't interact with it |
| 21:43.26 | valdyn | !paste |
| 21:43.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:43.38 | valdyn | crm: ^^^ that should have been your first step in here ) |
| 21:44.00 | valdyn | gimpy: what's the precise error? |
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| 21:44.03 | Eulex | crm, sure, but if you compiled stuff yourself, you should be aware that we cannot provide support. other than for obvious errors. |
| 21:44.30 | crm | http://rafb.net/p/apXAdL46.html |
| 21:44.39 | valdyn | gimpy: there's no way around 'getting it fully installed' but that is only a formality really, so we need *some* information as to which script to remove |
| 21:44.44 | Shadow_7 | The error I get is if I run glxgears, then xorg crashes. |
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| 21:45.03 | Eulex | crm, there's some serious library version conflict on your system, is all I can tell. |
| 21:45.42 | Eulex | crm, indexes to functions do not match. |
| 21:45.47 | gimpy | http://paste.debian.net/40257 |
| 21:45.49 | crm | Eulex, i don't want to go into my life story.. but i have to use the compiled drivers to make my project work |
| 21:46.17 | gimpy | i can purge other things fine, just not hal |
| 21:46.23 | Shadow_7 | Otherwise an Eterm doesn't update it's graphics correctly unless I use the vesa driver. And bringing up the menu item in IceWM shows only part of said menu. Except in Vesa where it works as expected. |
| 21:46.24 | crm | Eulex, any suggestions on which packages might be in conflict? |
| 21:46.36 | valdyn | crm: which custom / your own / non debian stuff did you install? |
| 21:46.53 | crm | valdyn, just the radeon drivers |
| 21:46.53 | Eulex | crm, perhaps xorg and the radeon driver. |
| 21:47.18 | Alarm-- | wols, finally i destroyed mbr. now not even the grub loader loads |
| 21:47.20 | gimpy | valdyn: any ideas? |
| 21:47.21 | Alarm-- | cool :) |
| 21:47.27 | Eulex | crm, well. in any case: for help building drm, mesa, xorg, the radeon driver etc: se #drm, #xorg, the xorg and drm mailing lists etc. for info on how to build your own xorg packages: see the nm guide that dpkg told you about. |
| 21:47.35 | valdyn | gimpy: i haven't read it yet |
| 21:48.08 | Shadow_7 | Alarm--: grub-eltorito is your friend (aka grub cdrom) |
| 21:48.18 | valdyn | crm: we can not support random custom development software |
| 21:48.24 | crm | so we come back to my original question after the hoops and roundabouts |
| 21:48.35 | crm | thanks again |
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| 21:49.08 | valdyn | gimpy: you can create backups if you like however: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/hal.postrm |
| 21:49.14 | valdyn | gimpy: after that, purge again |
| 21:49.25 | Alarm-- | Shadow_7, i cant boot to linux. i dont got a rescue disk |
| 21:49.59 | Shadow_7 | Well, if you've got a liveCD, you can generally re-install grub from there. |
| 21:50.01 | valdyn | gimpy: question is if you _realy_ need to get rid of hal or if its not some other package causing this - i dont know |
| 21:50.02 | Eulex | crm, sorry, told you about the wrong factoid: /mdg dpkg nm guide to get the right one. if you really want to be building packages. |
| 21:50.19 | Shadow_7 | Even if you have to mount and chroot |
| 21:50.45 | valdyn | # |
| 21:50.45 | valdyn | Reloading system message bus config...Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /usr/local/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 21:50.51 | valdyn | # |
| 21:50.51 | valdyn | ops, sorry |
| 21:51.17 | Eulex | crm, in any case, a 'quick' way might be to download the source packages of the xorg stuff you want to rebuild, then exchange the source inside them by the xorg source you want, and then rebuild the packages. but it's not guaranteed to work out-of-the-box, you will probably have to change the build scripts in one way or another,' |
| 21:51.27 | crm | i think it's going to be easier to get a new pc |
| 21:51.37 | helo_ | my card in alsamixer shows up,but nothing will play |
| 21:51.50 | valdyn | !tell helo_ -about ask |
| 21:51.57 | Eulex | crm, my suggestion to use packages software in debian stands. find out what version you really need. |
| 21:52.24 | Eulex | even if it means going to unstable, that will probably bring you less problems. |
| 21:52.46 | gimpy | valdyn: hal.postrm doesn't exist |
| 21:52.57 | crm | Eulex, the radeon driver is old.. i think it's a quirk in the software im using |
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| 21:53.19 | crm | Eulex, i can get it to work, just not with the standard xorg driver |
| 21:53.27 | valdyn | gimpy: try hal.prerm |
| 21:53.34 | danf_1979 | Any good online shop that would ship hardware outside US? |
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| 21:53.48 | Eulex | crm, experimental (from which you can install packages when you run unstable) has 6.7.195 of the radeon driver. unstable itself has 6.6.193. are these really too old? |
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| 21:53.56 | crm | Eulex, thanks for the help.. but im prolly better off getting another pc rather than stuffing around with an old radeon card |
| 21:54.00 | gimpy | valdyn: there's only hal-info. things in there |
| 21:54.03 | Eulex | crm, (testing and stable have 6.6.3) |
| 21:54.11 | gimpy | a .list and .md5sums |
| 21:54.13 | Eulex | crm, ok, you're choice |
| 21:54.14 | helo_ | I have a problem with #debian; I'm running Debian version now. when I try to do ezdebhelpin#deibna I get the following output "rtfulolz". I exptected it to do "oktharkyzyz". |
| 21:54.56 | valdyn | gimpy: guess dbus must be noticing hal going away one way or the other |
| 21:55.04 | valdyn | gimpy: i dont know how, but its dbus failing anyway |
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| 21:55.41 | gimpy | valdyn: so i have to purge and reinstall dbus/it's dependencies? |
| 21:55.45 | valdyn | gimpy: no |
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| 21:56.04 | valdyn | gimpy: dont proceed that way, its just going to end up in a mess |
| 21:56.18 | Eulex | helo_, eh, what? |
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| 21:56.28 | valdyn | gimpy: run 'grep system_bus_socket /etc/dbus-1/system.conf' |
| 21:56.50 | gimpy | <listen>unix:path=/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket</listen> |
| 21:57.00 | valdyn | gimpy: no, make that 'grep -R system_bus_socket /etc/dbus-1/' |
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| 21:57.21 | gimpy | same output |
| 21:57.22 | valdyn | gimpy: ok, that's the expected correct result of the first command. |
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| 21:58.11 | gimpy | /etc/dbus-1/system.conf: <listen>unix:path=/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket</listen> |
| 21:58.59 | valdyn | gimpy: i/you should probably check the bts |
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| 22:01.27 | fignew_ | Hello all, I just Installed 4.1 on a Dell Poweredge 2300 server. (500mhz) I've noticed it is _very_ slow. for example: top uses 30% of the CPU when its running... |
| 22:01.30 | gimpy | i'm using dbus 1.0.2 could that be it? |
| 22:01.34 | fignew_ | any ideas what could be causing this? |
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| 22:02.22 | nvz | fignew_: 1) its a dell. 2) its a 500mhz. 3) there is no "4.1" |
| 22:02.36 | simonrvn | 4.1 of what? |
| 22:02.52 | nvz | simonrvn: debian 4.0r1 |
| 22:02.57 | fignew_ | thats what I meant |
| 22:03.02 | nvz | the r apparantly stands for retard |
| 22:03.09 | nvz | cause everyone keeps calling it debian 4.1 |
| 22:03.13 | simonrvn | that makes sense |
| 22:03.25 | simonrvn | (not the retard thing, the other one) |
| 22:03.40 | fignew_ | well, I've tried multiple CPUs (I have 3 total) and also have run the server in a dual CPU config (SMP kernel) |
| 22:03.48 | fignew_ | no better |
| 22:04.00 | fignew_ | I have a 40mhz sparc which is more responsive |
| 22:04.00 | simonrvn | smp means anything over 1 ;) |
| 22:04.06 | valdyn | gimpy: try mkdir -p /usr/local/var/run/dbus, then /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
| 22:04.13 | valdyn | gimpy: i didnt see that bug reported yet |
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| 22:04.34 | simonrvn | well something's hogging it. find out. look at top again (ironically) |
| 22:04.35 | tedry | 'lo. Anybody know how to get alt-tab in kde to work across multiple monitors? |
| 22:04.55 | tedry | right now it only iterates the windows on the current desktop *and* current monitor |
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| 22:05.04 | tedry | rather than all windows on the current desktop |
| 22:05.15 | fignew_ | simonrvn: nothing's hogging it... everything just runs slow, the server takes 15 bloody minutes to boot |
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| 22:05.44 | simonrvn | well long boot doesn't really mean anything |
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| 22:06.02 | dacs | hey guy, what is a good unix channel |
| 22:06.03 | Shadow_7 | so what's the modern way to do a custom xorg compile? make World? |
| 22:06.20 | tedry | Shadow_7: don't. :-) |
| 22:06.21 | fignew_ | yes, but when top uses 30% of the CPU (as an example) |
| 22:06.23 | gimpy | now dpkg says "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove hal which isn't installed. |
| 22:06.29 | fignew_ | you know something's wrong |
| 22:06.44 | gimpy | but if i try to install/upgrade hal it gives the same error |
| 22:07.00 | Shadow_7 | tedry: well, it's either do it or wait six months for debian to get xorg packaged good enough to support my ati card and drivers. |
| 22:07.07 | valdyn | gimpy: did restarting dbus give that error? |
| 22:07.27 | tedry | Shadow_7: what kind of card? |
| 22:07.27 | Shadow_7 | or wait six months for ati to release an updated driver the may or may not work. |
| 22:07.32 | gimpy | valdyn: no it just says "stopping system message bus: dbus" and "starting system message bus: dbus." |
| 22:07.42 | nvz | this stupid fucking vista box keeps connecting at random to other peopls wireless cause I guess I saved a connection called "linksys" when my AP is a motorola |
| 22:07.43 | Shadow_7 | radeon xpress 200M |
| 22:07.54 | valdyn | gimpy: have you tried installing the older hal? |
| 22:08.05 | tedry | Shadow_7: a laptop chipset, right? i went through all kinds of hell to get mine to work |
| 22:08.08 | gimpy | not yet |
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| 22:08.18 | valdyn | gimpy: go ahead. |
| 22:08.25 | fignew_ | well, I guess this is above simonrvn and nvz's level ;) |
| 22:08.27 | Shadow_7 | it was working. But the latest upgrade (within the past 30 days) really hosed X. |
| 22:08.37 | dto | hmm. i'm reading a tutorial about checkinstall but apt-get install checkinstal fails |
| 22:08.38 | Shadow_7 | although the vesa driver seems to work alright. |
| 22:08.48 | Shadow_7 | debian sid |
| 22:09.33 | valdyn | !info checkinstall etch |
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| 22:10.12 | gimpy | valdyn: you think 0.5.8.1-9 is too far back? |
| 22:10.27 | valdyn | gimpy: i dont know which one you tried |
| 22:10.46 | gimpy | 0.5.9.1-6 |
| 22:10.59 | Shadow_7 | Or should I just say doesn't work well. There's all kinds of video artifacts. Bring up the iceWM menu and only part of it shows. Run an Eterm and only part of the current typed line shows. Cursoring back over the text makes it show up. And additional strangeness. |
| 22:11.02 | valdyn | gimpy: just try that one |
| 22:11.04 | wols | gimpy: snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:11.10 | valdyn | gimpy: or try ^^^ |
| 22:11.16 | fignew_ | nvz: just change the order of the preferred access points... not that hard... |
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| 22:11.24 | valdyn | gimpy: or look into your /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:11.32 | Shadow_7 | It seems to be less strange in gnome, but still not quite right. |
| 22:11.46 | wols | valdyn: he's the fourth guy I think I see with this problem recently |
| 22:11.52 | valdyn | wols: yes |
| 22:12.01 | valdyn | wols: and there's no bugreport about it yet |
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| 22:12.07 | simonrvn | fignew_: yes, and i told you go find what it is. i'm busy right now. look in /proc, irq interrupts, network, some runaway process, there's a number of things that can do this[D[D[D[D[D |
| 22:12.41 | Shadow_7 | Normally it's fixed by the time I get around to filing a bug report. |
| 22:12.51 | Shadow_7 | But it's been this way a couple weeks now. |
| 22:12.54 | valdyn | gimpy: its best if you install the most recent version before the faulty one and put that package on hold for now |
| 22:13.02 | simonrvn | fignew_: sorry for the extra chars, laggy client |
| 22:13.04 | valdyn | gimpy: ( if that older package works then ) |
| 22:13.07 | Shadow_7 | 200MB behind in updates and none of the updates are xorg. |
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| 22:14.07 | dacs | i am having the weard thing ever |
| 22:14.28 | phogg | weard |
| 22:14.33 | gimpy | valdyn: alright |
| 22:14.58 | dacs | phogg: yes |
| 22:14.58 | valdyn | gimpy: umm and report a bug if you can |
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| 22:15.13 | valdyn | gimpy: this cant be a hard to fix issue, but i'm not seeing a report yet |
| 22:15.33 | gimpy | yeah downgrading and purging hal-info fixed it |
| 22:15.34 | fignew_ | ok simonrvn I'll grep through grub |
| 22:15.45 | valdyn | !hold |
| 22:15.45 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 22:16.11 | valdyn | gimpy: ^^^ if you dont know about it yet |
| 22:16.57 | Shadow_7 | so what would I need to install to downgrade X? just the xserver-xorg-video-ati, or xserver-* |
| 22:17.15 | valdyn | !remove X |
| 22:17.15 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 22:17.16 | wols | Shadow_7: xserver* |
| 22:17.36 | dacs | what is a good channel for SunOS |
| 22:17.45 | wols | dacs: #solaris ? |
| 22:18.03 | fignew_ | simonrvn: could it be an apic problem? |
| 22:18.12 | dacs | wols: thanks |
| 22:18.16 | Shadow_7 | And what should I look for to identify the previous version of xorg. Since I have all versions since 11/01/2006 archived? |
| 22:18.23 | simonrvn | fignew_: start low level yes |
| 22:18.39 | wols | Shadow_7: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 22:18.49 | h3sp4wn | dacs: try #opensolaris |
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| 22:19.08 | Shadow_7 | I mean for xserver-xorg-*****.deb packages. |
| 22:19.16 | h3sp4wn | dacs: #solaris is full of trolls |
| 22:19.19 | wols | Shadow_7: yes |
| 22:19.28 | Shadow_7 | I'm on dialup so it's not like they all got downloaded on the same date. |
| 22:19.32 | wols | h3sp4wn: mr. schilling? |
| 22:20.16 | Polarina | Odd. Upgrading a single package from lenny to sid actually solves a problem I've been having. |
| 22:22.09 | h3sp4wn | wols: No idea who |
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| 22:22.12 | mikefoo | Anyone know of a standard list of spam ips and such that I can add to my postfix config to block connections for incoming? |
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| 22:23.31 | petemc | mikefoo: sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org |
| 22:24.23 | simonrvn | i've never gotten a false reading from them |
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| 22:25.19 | fignew_ | lol simonrvn, I started very low level... the BIOS ;) turns out the CPU was in "compatibility mode" |
| 22:25.39 | simonrvn | aah. well good. glad you found it |
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| 22:25.54 | fignew_ | my hint was that everything was running slow even bootloaders and what not :P |
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| 22:26.11 | Polarina | "compatibility mode"? |
| 22:26.17 | EruditeHermit | hey, can anyone tell me how to purge evolution user files? |
| 22:26.33 | Polarina | EruditeHermit: Mark for Complete Removal. |
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| 22:26.41 | simonrvn | it's in ~/ |
| 22:26.43 | gpm | ~/.evolution i think |
| 22:26.49 | simonrvn | hint, starts with a . |
| 22:26.50 | gpm | and probably in .gnome2 too |
| 22:26.52 | gpm | .gconf |
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| 22:27.07 | valdyn | just ~/.evo |
| 22:27.12 | simonrvn | jelly-home: JPBS ! :D |
| 22:27.16 | valdyn | ..lution |
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| 22:29.21 | EruditeHermit | gpm: thanks |
| 22:29.26 | gimpy | valdyn: i got a bug now |
| 22:29.35 | gimpy | this ones well documented though |
| 22:29.36 | EruditeHermit | gpm: I think it was the .gconf stuff that wasn't being removed |
| 22:30.09 | fignew_ | Polarina: yea, I think it's for old DOS programs that assumed a certain clock speed |
| 22:30.34 | fignew_ | strange though, there was no sign of it in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:30.50 | wols | h3sp4wn: author of cdrecord |
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| 22:32.17 | h3sp4wn | wols: Ah yes (I thought I had heard the name) |
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| 22:37.01 | calestyo | Hi,... does someone of you know if there's a standard (like the single unix specification or so) that defines root to have always uid=0? or is this just by convention? |
| 22:37.35 | wols | the user with UID zero is the admin, no matter what name that has |
| 22:37.43 | Shadow_7 | It's by whatever is in /etc/group and others. |
| 22:37.46 | wols | calestyo: why are you asking us homework questions? |
| 22:38.07 | wii | lol |
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| 22:39.02 | calestyo | wols: of course the name doesn't matter.... i wanted to know if the fact that the privileged user in unix/linux systems has uid=0 is somewhere defined... |
| 22:39.31 | calestyo | wols: no it's not for homework,.. but rather for my diploma thesis... |
| 22:39.39 | wols | same thing: school |
| 22:39.51 | wols | how about doing your own research? |
| 22:40.31 | Shadow_7 | fortunately it's not about windows, because you'd have a hard time with concretes, I mean standards. |
| 22:40.53 | wols | Shadow_7: au contraire. whatever microsoft.com says is gospel. very easy |
| 22:41.04 | calestyo | wols: wow I like guys like you with their brilliant comments... if I'd have found anything in the common standards I wouldn't ask... |
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| 22:41.27 | wols | calestyo: how is your question debian related again? |
| 22:41.31 | wols | now go to sleep |
| 22:41.47 | Shadow_7 | calestyo: just bear in mind it's all 1's and 0's. which vary in implementation between authors. |
| 22:42.36 | techouse | with what app could i measure the CPU temp and speed? |
| 22:42.41 | calestyo | wols: It's not strictly debian related,... but I thougt that may someone here nows something |
| 22:43.00 | Shadow_7 | Unless it's in some formalized standard that someone cares about, it probably isn't so. At least not universally among all flavors of the same type of thing. |
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| 22:43.29 | Shadow_7 | techouse: cat |
| 22:43.30 | wols | calestyo: it's not debian related at ALL |
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| 22:43.47 | Shadow_7 | techouse: or gkrellmn, or conky, and probably others. |
| 22:43.49 | techouse | tnx |
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| 22:44.15 | calestyo | Shadow_7: Yes... I think so too,... at least I wasn't able to find such a standard. |
| 22:44.17 | zaius | hey all - is there any way to log grub errors somewhere? |
| 22:44.19 | wols | techouse: measuring is done with lm_sensors. displaying what you measured with gkrellm or conky |
| 22:44.28 | Shadow_7 | calestyo: think POSIX |
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| 22:44.46 | wols | calestyo: cause the standard texts cost money, just like the certification for the standard |
| 22:45.23 | Shadow_7 | which is why it's NOT a standard. |
| 22:45.31 | calestyo | Shadow_7: It's not part of POSIX... |
| 22:46.09 | Shadow_7 | any standards which aren't open / public domain are standards not worth the costs of entry. |
| 22:46.25 | wols | Shadow_7: tell this to IEEE |
| 22:46.33 | calestyo | wols: POSIX standard is freely available (of course not as open source)?! There's even a debian package |
| 22:47.12 | wols | calestyo: which package? |
| 22:47.24 | calestyo | uhm i think it was susv3 |
| 22:47.38 | rebo123 | hello everyone |
| 22:47.45 | rebo123 | Are the files in /var/cache/apt/archive system-critical? |
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| 22:48.06 | calestyo | nope |
| 22:48.07 | wols | rebo123: no. man apt-get and you see how you can (safely) delete them |
| 22:48.07 | rebo123 | There's more than GB of .deb files there |
| 22:48.33 | rebo123 | Can I keep them from building up to such a bulk in the future? Or is that in the manpage as well? ;) |
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| 22:48.38 | Shadow_7 | rebo123: critical for system updates |
| 22:48.48 | Shadow_7 | if you don't want to redownload them, then leave them there. |
| 22:48.58 | wols | rebo123: every .deb apt downloads is cached in that dir |
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| 22:49.05 | Alarm-- | anyone here knowing about fixing the bug: psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes ? |
| 22:49.07 | Shadow_7 | If you don't have any pending updates/downloads, it's fairly safe to move them elsewhere. |
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| 22:50.03 | techouse | tnx wols |
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| 22:50.27 | rebo123 | Beautiful, thank you :) |
| 22:50.47 | jelly-home | simonrvn: uh, no PB here. No unstale bread either, it seems |
| 22:51.03 | rebo123 | That folder was eating like 12% of my disk space |
| 22:51.39 | calestyo | rebo123: If you use aptitude there's a menu function to delete the folder automatically (IIRC) |
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| 22:51.52 | Shadow_7 | dselect asks if you want to remove them as well. |
| 22:52.03 | fiddles | hey i still cant intall lenny debooter error druing base install whats wrong? |
| 22:52.20 | Shadow_7 | I generally save them as I'm on dialup and downloading 1GB of stuff takes an entire week, if not month. |
| 22:52.48 | rebo123 | ah |
| 22:53.05 | rebo123 | well, 'aptitude clean' worked well, thanks again |
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| 22:55.40 | zaius | is there any way to make grub boot the next menu item if the first one fails? |
| 22:56.02 | gimpy | valdyn: where can i get the second latest hal .deb? |
| 22:56.06 | wols | "fallback" it's named in the grub manual iirc |
| 22:56.09 | Shadow_7 | zaius: http://www.gnu.org/manual/ |
| 22:56.12 | wols | gimpy: snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:56.23 | Shadow_7 | I think there is a fallback item or something. |
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| 22:56.47 | zaius | thanks |
| 22:57.22 | gimpy | wols: it's dead right now |
| 22:57.36 | gimpy | nevermind |
| 22:57.37 | jeffwheeler | In GNOME and Sid, certain tooltips for me don't have any characters except big squares (as if the font does not exist). Anybody else experienced this? |
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| 22:58.01 | jeffwheeler | Oh, and in addition to tooltips, the alt-tab menu window names. |
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| 22:58.09 | wols | gimpy: you are mistaken |
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| 23:00.30 | jeffwheeler | Actually, I think I noticed some font stuff was upgraded recently; I'll look there. |
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| 23:01.06 | fiddles | so guys to use lenny, i have to install etch first? |
| 23:01.08 | douglas | Is there any "widgets" for Linux? |
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| 23:01.57 | valdyn | fiddles: not in general, but it will debootstrap more likely at any time than testing |
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| 23:02.16 | Shadow_7 | which type of widgets? Is that an economics term or something? |
| 23:02.16 | valdyn | douglas: what's a widget? |
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| 23:02.50 | jeffwheeler | douglas: such as in Apple's Dashboard and Yahoo!'s Konfabulator? |
| 23:03.22 | fiddles | is it possible to install etch |
| 23:03.28 | fiddles | and upgrade to 2.6.21 kernel? |
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| 23:03.44 | valdyn | fiddles: or upgrade to lenny, sure |
| 23:03.54 | fiddles | how would i do that? |
| 23:04.06 | Shadow_7 | make-kpkg |
| 23:04.07 | valdyn | fiddles: read the topic |
| 23:04.15 | fiddles | kay |
| 23:04.37 | dto | how can i list all the dependencies required to build a given package from source? |
| 23:04.45 | valdyn | or see "/msg dpkg backports" for just a new kernel |
| 23:04.57 | valdyn | dto: get the source, read the .dsc file |
| 23:05.51 | valdyn | dto: or just get the .dsc file naturally, at http://packages.debian.org |
| 23:06.31 | Shadow_7 | apt-get source <source-package> |
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| 23:06.50 | Shadow_7 | possibly with a --print-uris option or similar |
| 23:07.33 | dto | should I be using something newer than etch? |
| 23:07.42 | fiddles | ahh think ill just upgrade |
| 23:07.46 | valdyn | dto: no! |
| 23:08.04 | fiddles | what kernel woul it be in i upgrade to lenny through apt dist-upgrade? |
| 23:08.10 | fiddles | if i upgrade |
| 23:08.26 | valdyn | fiddles: why don't you look that up yourself? |
| 23:10.09 | fiddles | thought someone might know |
| 23:10.15 | fiddles | gonna check it out |
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| 23:10.20 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 23:10.34 | SamuraiDio | i need help on how to install a wireless driver on Etch |
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| 23:10.47 | mav | hey folks |
| 23:11.02 | SamuraiDio | ist a ralink wireless pci: 00:08.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 23:11.13 | SamuraiDio | is is* |
| 23:11.16 | SamuraiDio | it is* |
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| 23:11.21 | mav | i see |
| 23:11.24 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 23:11.32 | mav | 802.11g looks like wireless, yes |
| 23:11.48 | mav | whats the problem? |
| 23:11.50 | SamuraiDio | i used module-assistant to install rt2500, but i still dont have the interface ra0 |
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| 23:12.04 | Ace2016 | anyone know if its possible to backup an entire partition to dvds and restore it on another computer, i want to copy this root partition image to other pcs using a dvdr disks |
| 23:12.16 | Ace2016 | and yes i have lots of dvdrs |
| 23:12.23 | mav | Ace2016: yes its possible with dd |
| 23:12.36 | AvK | hi |
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| 23:13.23 | mav | SamuraiDio: did the installation went well? |
| 23:13.30 | mav | or were there any errors shown? |
| 23:13.36 | Ace2016 | but can i ask how i am to split it into the correct sized parts and how i am to put it back back onto the partition of another computer that has no os so no dd |
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| 23:14.08 | SamuraiDio | mav, no errors |
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| 23:14.21 | mav | Ace2016: you make a dd of alle neccessery folders |
| 23:14.29 | mav | not the whole / dir |
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| 23:15.07 | AvK | do you know how is the named the polish irc channel of Debian |
| 23:15.15 | Nyle | !pl |
| 23:15.16 | dpkg | pl is, like, perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
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| 23:15.25 | Ace2016 | so dd is different from just adding stuff to k3b? and how will i restore it at the other end. knoppix with toram? |
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| 23:15.43 | mav | knopix would be the best idea |
| 23:15.44 | SamuraiDio | plz, someone help me |
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| 23:15.54 | mav | knopix or some other live cd |
| 23:16.08 | mav | SamuraiDio: sorry cant help you there |
| 23:16.09 | SamuraiDio | is the rt2500 module proper to rt2561 car? |
| 23:16.12 | SamuraiDio | card* |
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| 23:16.37 | mav | SamuraiDio: where are you from? |
| 23:16.40 | AvK | Nyle dzieki |
| 23:16.44 | SamuraiDio | brazil |
| 23:16.48 | mav | hmm |
| 23:16.57 | mav | are there no forums/wikis about that topic? |
| 23:17.06 | mav | i am sure u r not the only one with this prob |
| 23:18.08 | DawnLight | i've installed windows in the the hdd, in a primary partition after debian, so it overwrote grub. i've booted using a grub floppy and now i want to install grub again. if i just go grub-install and update-grub, will it know about my windows? |
| 23:18.20 | Ace2016 | would this work, i dd the whole partition to another partition as a file, then use a zip program to zip it to a folder, then i go to the other computer and i install linux on it, on a small partition, and i copy the dvds over and then extract them and use dd to put it into a partition |
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| 23:18.41 | Ace2016 | would the partition its going into have to be identical in size to this one or does it not matter? |
| 23:19.16 | mav | DawnLight: no it wont |
| 23:19.55 | DawnLight | mav: is there a debian way to do this, like when d-i does it? |
| 23:20.42 | mav | DawnLight: yes there is.. but you have to be careful with that, because it can destroy your mbr completly.. there was somekind of a grub-disc or sth |
| 23:20.48 | Ace2016 | possibe to get dd to split it instead of me having to split it with a zip app? |
| 23:20.57 | Ace2016 | wols: you here, what do you think? |
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| 23:21.11 | AvK | i have net by wifi (d-link, chpset : ACX 100) is it supported in Debian |
| 23:21.20 | mav | there you could choose, where you install your mbr to, and what it supposed to boot |
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| 23:21.37 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 23:21.59 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 23:22.04 | DawnLight | mav: what do you mean destroy my mbr? do i need my mbr? only reason i would need my current mbr is if that is how grub knows about windows |
| 23:22.07 | AvK | is anyone who know it ? |
| 23:22.26 | Ace2016 | there isn't here today, i think he went to the dentist or something |
| 23:22.36 | DawnLight | AvK: google that or ask dpkg |
| 23:22.43 | nvz | Ace2016: I know IT, you can get IT on ebay |
| 23:22.45 | mav | you could destroy your mbr completly, that would mean that even windows doenst boot, nor does linux |
| 23:22.52 | AvK | dawnlight i ask google |
| 23:22.53 | Ace2016 | ... |
| 23:23.08 | Ace2016 | oh a program called IT |
| 23:23.09 | AvK | google has said that it doesnt :( |
| 23:23.10 | DawnLight | AvK: /msg dpkg d-link or something |
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| 23:23.28 | DawnLight | AvK: or the name of the chip |
| 23:23.28 | mav | IT? |
| 23:23.36 | AvK | dawnlight i have no installed debian yet |
| 23:23.37 | mav | have you tried to turn it on and off again?? |
| 23:23.43 | mav | are you sure its pluged in?? |
| 23:23.55 | AvK | so i think i could ask you before |
| 23:23.58 | mav | hehehe i like the i.t. crowd :D |
| 23:23.59 | nvz | whatever IT is you'll fint IT on ebay |
| 23:24.07 | DawnLight | mav: i'm not worried because i have a grub floppy. so how's it done? |
| 23:24.07 | nvz | or so the commercials say |
| 23:24.22 | mav | DawnLight: ok then |
| 23:24.27 | Ace2016 | i'm not trying to buy anything |
| 23:25.06 | Ace2016 | partition backup restore = 0 results |
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| 23:25.58 | nvz | Ace2016: what did you use to backup the partition? |
| 23:26.04 | DawnLight | AvK: i mean ask dpkg bot! |
| 23:26.12 | nvz | usually you'd use the same thing to restore it |
| 23:26.13 | DawnLight | !tell AvK about you |
| 23:26.25 | AvK | dawnlight: your method is not working |
| 23:26.28 | mav | !tell mav about you |
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| 23:26.46 | Ace2016 | i haven't started, i want to do it, i want to copy an entire patition to from one computer to another, i need to copy my linux root partition |
| 23:27.04 | nvz | Ace2016: use dd |
| 23:27.10 | DawnLight | AvK: ignore that message you got. |
| 23:27.18 | AvK | ok |
| 23:27.39 | mav | DawnLight: ive got it |
| 23:27.44 | mav | try: super grub disk |
| 23:27.46 | mav | that was the name |
| 23:27.57 | nvz | !dd |
| 23:27.57 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 23:27.58 | DawnLight | !tell AvK about d-link |
| 23:27.59 | Ace2016 | thats what mav said but i need to split it up into disks, so i'm wondering if its possible to split it up into dvds using dd itself like file.01 file.02 |
| 23:28.00 | mav | google it, there must be a page/forum about it |
| 23:28.13 | Max_- | using, wpa_passphrase, if there are spaces in the passphrase, how do I indicate them? using "pass phrase" or pass\ phrase or something else??? |
| 23:28.15 | nvz | Ace2016: man split |
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| 23:28.41 | kantor | if a user is not in the admin group can't execute applications with root privileges ? |
| 23:28.47 | mav | Ace2016: how big would the image of your boot/root sektor be? |
| 23:28.55 | cafuego | kantor: correct |
| 23:28.57 | nvz | Ace2016: its easier to put both hds in the same machine and just do it that way |
| 23:28.58 | Ace2016 | wait if its a partition thats dded then the file is a partition so can that file be mounted? |
| 23:29.05 | mav | cant your home directory can be stored on dvds with k3b |
| 23:29.12 | nvz | Ace2016: yes |
| 23:29.17 | mav | you system folders cant be bigger than 4 gigs? |
| 23:29.20 | Ace2016 | mav: the basics are 11+gb |
| 23:29.26 | mav | what? |
| 23:29.35 | mav | dude thats way too much |
| 23:29.43 | Ace2016 | not including home and opt and boot |
| 23:29.51 | mav | wth |
| 23:29.59 | mav | hmm |
| 23:30.04 | mav | ok then thats a problem |
| 23:30.09 | nvz | apt cache, mail files..etc all reside in that area |
| 23:30.10 | Ace2016 | why do you think i want to copy it to another computer, it took forever to get it setup perfectly |
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| 23:30.38 | nvz | if you installed 4gb of packages you probaly got several gb of cached archives too |
| 23:30.46 | Ace2016 | nvz: apt's cache was emptied to get back the space and its a desktop so no mail server files |
| 23:31.06 | nvz | then why in the hell are there 11+gb of data on your / |
| 23:31.10 | kantor | cafuego, but if it's in the admin group you still need the root password (or sudo) to execute a root command/app, no ? it's not enough to be in the admin group |
| 23:31.33 | nvz | I mean I got like 108G on mine, but thats because its my only partition |
| 23:31.44 | mav | Ace2016: thats not perfect.. thats .. no words for that |
| 23:31.49 | nvz | 90% of that is /home |
| 23:31.58 | SamuraiDio | after installing a driver using module-assistant, the device should work normally? |
| 23:32.11 | daidalus13 | hi. does anybody know what is the name of the package I need to install to have firefox? I am using debian sarge. I open aptitude and I choose to install mozilla-firefox but when I hit 'go' I get a message that no packages will be intalled, upgraded or removed... Am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:32.26 | Ace2016 | firefox is called iceweasel |
| 23:32.28 | nvz | I got a cluster fuck going on, but I'm not sure how reliable this 160gb I got is so I am just waiting till I get some new cans to mess with anything on my system |
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| 23:32.34 | Ace2016 | because i installed lots of packages and dev packages when compiling xgl compiz-fusion mplayer inkscape and lots of svn stuff |
| 23:32.44 | dalias | there's also a pseudo-package called firefox, no? |
| 23:32.49 | nvz | Ace2016: actually I think its called mozilla-firefox |
| 23:32.55 | Ace2016 | and i my /home is a separate partition |
| 23:32.56 | nvz | he said he's using sarge |
| 23:32.59 | cafuego | kantor: Indeed, unless of course you set up sudo to allow for passwordless operation. |
| 23:33.00 | daidalus13 | Ace2016: you mean I need to install iceweasel? |
| 23:33.04 | dalias | uhg sarge.. |
| 23:33.06 | spx2 | my sound(alsa) is working very well for root but not for a usual user ? what can I do ? |
| 23:33.10 | mav | compiz and sh*t are not system neccessary files.. |
| 23:33.19 | spx2 | my sound(alsa) is working very well for root but not for a usual user ? what can I do ? |
| 23:33.22 | nvz | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 23:33.27 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2sarge15 (sarge), Packaged size: 8707 kB, Installed size: 24440 kB |
| 23:33.29 | nvz | daidalus13: ^^ |
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| 23:33.36 | Ace2016 | daidalus13: it should already be installed, did you just do a fresh install, and if so what release? |
| 23:33.47 | nvz | Ace2016: you need to learn to read ;) |
| 23:33.57 | mav | anyhow, then just burn file for file (should take you 3 dvds) and then just copy the data on the partitions made for that |
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| 23:34.02 | spx2 | how do I find my mixer devices ? |
| 23:34.11 | Taza | Are there any Super Hardcore users here? |
| 23:34.20 | nvz | Taza: duh |
| 23:34.44 | nvz | we tie debian up and do it in the butt all day long around here |
| 23:34.47 | Taza | I have two networks. Network #1 has all computers connecting via DHCP and Network #2 has my Debian box using 'net via a pppp device. |
| 23:34.50 | daidalus13 | Ace2016: no it's not a fresh install. I have it almost 18months now... |
| 23:34.52 | Ace2016 | oh i skimmed that, yea it still has firefox |
| 23:35.19 | mav | you also could make a dd image, copy that with a live cd to the computer you want them on, and then extract those on the needed partitions |
| 23:35.24 | nvz | daidalus13: apt-get install mozilla-firefox, or be considered a troll |
| 23:35.27 | Taza | Now, I'd need to add a computer to both Network #1 and Network #2, without configuration changes when I switch it. |
| 23:35.29 | mav | copy through network |
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| 23:35.34 | nvz | I've answered your question at least 3 times now |
| 23:35.40 | nvz | correctly |
| 23:35.42 | DawnLight | i've just did grub-install and update-grub. now, what is the debian way to add a menu.lst entry for a windows? |
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| 23:35.59 | Taza | Network #2 should connect through the ethernet card of the debian box - which should still work by default with Network #1. |
| 23:36.06 | Polarina | I have answers to all the world question, except for the answers I don't know. :D |
| 23:36.18 | nvz | Taza: is the ppp device on eth0? |
| 23:36.21 | Taza | Anyone got the foggiest on how to even start that? |
| 23:36.24 | daidalus13 | nvz: I did that in aptitude and I got the message that no packages will be installed, upgraded or removed. what is a troll? |
| 23:36.28 | mav | noh funny Polarina |
| 23:36.28 | Taza | nvz: No, it's /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 23:36.41 | Taza | nvz: The Ethernet card is eth0 |
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| 23:37.05 | nvz | Taza: then just add "auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp" (two lines) into /etc/network/interfaces and you are done |
| 23:37.11 | mav | anyhow hacking into a mainframe cluster system could be really dangerous |
| 23:37.20 | Taza | nvz: What does that exactly do? |
| 23:37.27 | nvz | Taza: or install some form of the network-manager fremework |
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| 23:37.41 | Ace2016 | if you have a network card with 2 ports which show up as eth0 and eth1 what would happen if you connected them through a crossover cable |
| 23:37.41 | nvz | Taza: it tells the machine to bring up the eth0 interface automatically on boot with dhcp |
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| 23:37.45 | Taza | I need to understand this system because I'm about to build Network #3 in some months. |
| 23:37.58 | nvz | Taza: man 5 interfaces |
| 23:38.30 | DawnLight | Taza: interfaces is where most of it happens |
| 23:38.33 | nvz | Taza: network-manager (network-manager-gnome..et al.) is a framework for autoconfiguration of network changes. |
| 23:38.49 | Taza | nvz: This shares the network as dhcp for the box #2 of network #2 to use? |
| 23:38.57 | karmatronic | anyone experienced blank terminals when lauching compiz on gnome ? |
| 23:39.01 | Taza | Because Box #2 of Network #2 is also Box #4 of Network #1 |
| 23:39.03 | nvz | Taza: its most suitable for laptops that have modems, network cards both wired and wireless and will be using various connection options |
| 23:39.26 | nvz | Taza: no thats to setup a box to be a client on an ethernet DHCP network |
| 23:39.57 | nvz | Taza: you're gonna have to make a puzzle as my boss used to say |
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| 23:40.11 | Taza | nvz: The client part works. Note, Box #2 - to which I need the internet connection FOR in Network #2 - is a windows box that has to use dhcp |
| 23:40.31 | nvz | when I'd shout goofy measurements to him for siding or something he'd tell me to draw him a puzzle on a scrap showing how it all fits togther |
| 23:40.39 | yassine | does lenny contains any package for emerald? |
| 23:41.00 | nvz | Taza: you need to draw a network map cause you are giving numerical assignments to something no one but you can visualize |
| 23:41.03 | Taza | Box #2 has to work without configuration changes (or autodetected configuration changes, but a windows box), Debian Box has to share it's ppp internet connection |
| 23:41.48 | Taza | Network 1 (DHCP): Debian Box, Random Box #1, Random Box #2, Alternative Box. |
| 23:41.56 | Taza | Network 2: Debian Box, Alternative Box. |
| 23:42.02 | nvz | then in other words you are asking in #debian how to enable microsoft internet connection sharing? |
| 23:42.10 | karmatronic | yassine: yes |
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| 23:42.21 | Taza | No, I'm asking how to make the computer pretend it's got a real connection. |
| 23:42.38 | nvz | its real simple go to the connection in the connections dohicky and right click it, go to properties, check the ICS (Share This Computers Internet Through This Connection) box and hit apply |
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| 23:42.41 | yassine | karmatronic: i did not find it using apt-cache search |
| 23:42.53 | nvz | Taza: you are asking things that aren't making any sense |
| 23:43.10 | Taza | I have a debian box using a ppp device and I want to make it share that connection with a windows box. They ALSO need to work in the DHCP ethernet network. |
| 23:43.20 | nvz | Taza: we are scientists of sorts, we don't pretend we do though experiments. |
| 23:43.29 | nvz | yours seem to lack the thought |
| 23:43.50 | karmatronic | yassine: well do an apt-get update, i ve got lenny here and emerald does appear (wallah...) |
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| 23:44.08 | nvz | Taza: ok, so you want to run a IPMASQ/NAT Firewall then |
| 23:44.24 | nvz | Taza: either that or a transparant bridge |
| 23:44.32 | nvz | the bridge is way easier to setup |
| 23:44.39 | yassine | strage i my need an update too |
| 23:44.46 | Taza | nvz: The connection has to work on both boxes at the same time |
| 23:44.53 | nvz | but its going to cause your windows box to be getting its IP from the PPP connection as though it were connected directly |
| 23:45.07 | nvz | Taza: so the question is do you need masq or not |
| 23:45.16 | Taza | That isn't a problem. As long as I can use the 'net on both |
| 23:45.18 | nvz | i.e. do you have more than one public IP you can lease |
| 23:45.24 | Taza | No. |
| 23:45.30 | nvz | then you need masq |
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| 23:45.47 | nvz | cause if they are bridged they will both be online |
| 23:45.58 | Taza | And conflict. |
| 23:46.00 | yassine | karmatronic: do you mean xemeraldia oder emerlad ? |
| 23:46.06 | nvz | with masq only the debian box will be online and forwarding packets |
| 23:46.14 | Taza | I need to use the 'net on both, simultaneously. |
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| 23:46.43 | DawnLight | i've just did grub-install and update-grub. now, what is the debian way to add a menu.lst entry for a windows xp? |
| 23:46.48 | Taza | The ppp device is connected to the debian box, AND the debian box also has to work in the dchp network. I wouldn't be asking here if this was an easy problem. |
| 23:47.02 | Taza | DawnLight: Usually Debian detects it automagically. |
| 23:47.08 | nvz | Taza: I still haven't tooled much with iptables my suggestion is to google some help, there is an appendix in the debian manual somewhere that covers setting up ipmasq |
| 23:47.13 | yassine | karmatronic: do you have special url/repositories in your sources.list? |
| 23:47.25 | karmatronic | yassine: yes :) |
| 23:47.41 | yassine | ? |
| 23:47.45 | karmatronic | yassine: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 23:47.50 | DawnLight | Taza: well, during installation it does, i have experience with that, but now there isn't an entry after grub-install and update-grub |
| 23:47.59 | karmatronic | yassine: have fun |
| 23:48.16 | yassine | thanks ive seen that already |
| 23:48.20 | Taza | Just getting the 'net work on this thing was PAINFUL |
| 23:48.27 | yassine | i was thinking its not part of the testing packages |
| 23:48.30 | Taza | It has to use custom gprs scripts. |
| 23:48.49 | nvz | Taza: wait.. how many ways is this debian box connected? as I am understanding at this point you got Internet=(ppp)=>Debian=(DHCPD/IPMASQ)=>Windows=(DHCPCD) |
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| 23:49.11 | Taza | nvz: It alternates between Ethernet DHCP and ppp |
| 23:49.21 | nvz | Taza: wouldn't it be easier to do the ICS and PPP stuff on the windows box? |
| 23:49.38 | nvz | Taza: for an internet connection? |
| 23:49.54 | nvz | Taza: its uplink to the internet chages between Ethernet DHCP and PPP? |
| 23:49.59 | Taza | When Ethernet is online, sharing to the windows box isn't required because it's hooked on the same router, when the ppp is online, the router is nowhere to be seen and both boxes need simultaneous connections. |
| 23:50.01 | Taza | Yes |
| 23:50.24 | Taza | It's a laptop. The box it needs to share is a normal box which changes (rarely) between locations. |
| 23:50.32 | Polarina | How do I allow users to mount non-removable storage media without touching /etc/fstab? |
| 23:50.42 | Taza | The normal box has to be plug-in-and-play too |
| 23:50.45 | nvz | Taza: so again, isn't it easier to do all this on the windows desktop? |
| 23:51.00 | Taza | nvz: I have no idea really. |
| 23:51.12 | nvz | Taza: seems so to me.. the laptop is more portable and is the one that changes |
| 23:51.26 | nvz | Taza: the desktop stays.. thus should be the one controlling the internet to the laptop |
| 23:51.38 | Taza | The laptop has to work without the desktop as well. |
| 23:51.44 | Taza | THAT one I've got working already |
| 23:51.53 | nvz | Taza: besides for this to work you'd need two nics one for the client sharing and one for the ethernet unless you keep switching cables |
| 23:52.02 | efaistos_ | can we read wma files under debian ? |
| 23:52.07 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:52.22 | Taza | nvz: The cables won't be a problem - as it is the ethernet cable can be connected 1/3 of the week anyway |
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| 23:52.39 | nvz | Taza: why do you have an intermittant ethernet connection and also a gprs connection? |
| 23:53.00 | Taza | nvz: Too long a story to explain. |
| 23:53.10 | karmatronic | efaistos_: yes , use mplayer or vlc |
| 23:53.20 | Taza | School, ex-gf, apartment trouble. That should give a generic idea. |
| 23:53.22 | nvz | Taza: yeah well if I don't understand why you are doing weird stuff I don't know where the problem lies, and thus can't fix it |
| 23:53.25 | karmatronic | efaistos_: or xmms2 |
| 23:53.34 | Taza | nvz: Both computers move a lot. |
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| 23:53.50 | nvz | Taza: ok |
| 23:53.51 | Taza | nvz: The main box in the ethernet connection is always there, and is in fact the one I'm using. |
| 23:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight, that are the entries in mine http://paste.debian.net/40272 |
| 23:54.35 | Taza | The desktop obviously moves less because it's kinda hard to take that thing with me on the bus. |
| 23:55.10 | Taza | I have a display and a keyboard and a mouse in both places tho, so it moves whenever someone I know is taking a car trip between the physical locations. |
| 23:55.10 | fiddles | how do i patch drivers with a .diff? |
| 23:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight, just choose the correct hd and add it to your menu.lst |
| 23:55.48 | nvz | Taza: so it sounds to me like the best thing to do maybe is setup two different runlevels one fore PPP/GPRS and one for Ethernet/DHCP and have seperate init scripts that will either bring up eth0 dhcp, or bring up iptables, ipmasq, and gprs connection |
| 23:55.54 | Taza | The laptop moves even more, and it has a GPRS connection for that. I just need it to share it to the desktop in Location #2 when I go there, and for the desktop to work in Location #1 and for the laptop to work when I get ethernet connection. *wheeze* |
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| 23:56.24 | nvz | Taza: the tricky part is wanting to use the same eth interface for DHCP client as well as a DHCP server in different instances |
| 23:56.27 | Taza | nvz: THAT I can solve. I'll simply check if a ping works on the eth0. |
| 23:56.31 | DawnLight | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
| 23:56.56 | Taza | nvz: If it can't connect to google, we can assume the ethernet isn't connected, and therefore should act as a dhcp server and connect the ppp |
| 23:57.32 | nvz | Taza: it'd know long before that. DHCPCD would say No lease first |
| 23:57.41 | nvz | Taza: but that kills your boot time |
| 23:57.57 | nvz | Taza: its easier to make two different runlevels and be able to change from your bootloader or from a running system |
| 23:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | DawnLight, the 1st 0 should be for "first HD", the 2nd 0 for "first partition" |
| 23:58.07 | nvz | Taza: you can boot into PPP or Ethernet mode |
| 23:58.18 | Taza | Meh |
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| 23:58.30 | nvz | Taza: if it tried to connect to both it will take like 2 minutes longer to boot |
| 23:58.31 | Taza | I use encrypted drives on a 700mhz laptop, my boot time is abysmal as is |
| 23:58.38 | nvz | heh |
| 23:59.25 | nvz | not to mention it needs to bring up iptables rules for the PPP thing to work which will cause the Ethernet not to worl |
| 23:59.47 | Taza | 'sides. I can set it up to auto-try eth0 on boot, and then manually start dhcp server if it's set up to be in dhcp |
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