| 00:00.20 | nvz | I don't think network-manager or anything else is advanced enough to make a laptop dynamic the way you want.. to be able to use either DHCP Ethernet or use a GPRS/PPP connection and share it with the Ethernet |
| 00:00.21 | Taza | So I need a ipmasq/nat firewall? |
| 00:00.35 | Taza | nvz: I can handle THAT by custom scripts. That isn't a part of the problem. |
| 00:00.42 | Ace2016 | !divert |
| 00:01.06 | Taza | The sharing part for the ppp was the one I had no experience with. |
| 00:01.27 | SamuraiDio | Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 00:01.31 | SamuraiDio | what do this mean? |
| 00:01.32 | wols | Taza: does your debian box have two network interfaces (you can do it via one but it's iffy) |
| 00:01.35 | nvz | Taza: its up to you how you want to work but to me it seems like you want this sort of thing to have a switch.. not to try be automatic. |
| 00:01.40 | nvz | !Dynamic mmap |
| 00:01.40 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 00:01.47 | Ace2016 | is it possible to have multiple versions of a package installed at the same time? |
| 00:01.54 | wols | especially when you need to run it as dhcp client and as ppp both alternatingly |
| 00:01.57 | Taza | wols: One network interface for the eth0, one for the ppp |
| 00:02.03 | nvz | Ace2016: not if they have the same name |
| 00:02.18 | nvz | Ace2016: when we dist two different versions we call them different things |
| 00:02.28 | wols | Taza: if you use NAT the other client needs to be connected to eth0 |
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| 00:02.45 | Taza | wols: I know - I don't need NAT when I have internet connection through the eth0 |
| 00:02.59 | SamuraiDio | dpkg, MMap |
| 00:02.59 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 00:03.44 | nvz | wols: yes that is the idea.. he wants the debian laptop to be able to handle standard Ethernet DHCP for internet but also able to use GPRS/PPP for internet and share that with the desktop via the ethernet.. he wants some automagic detection solution to toggle between a DHCP client and a NAT Router using a GPRS uplink :P |
| 00:03.58 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 00:04.14 | Taza | nvz: Once I get the system working SOMEWHAT, I can handle the automagic part. :P |
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| 00:04.44 | retybok | how can I see which packages are taking up the most disk space? |
| 00:04.48 | Taza | I'm an old wizard, this is just new ground. I've been playing around with things like this for some 10 years, I just had no idea where to start. |
| 00:05.06 | Ace2016 | open office takes up a lot |
| 00:05.10 | Taza | Sharing network connections? Err. Automagic stuff? Can do! |
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| 00:05.29 | maddash | !ping |
| 00:05.29 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:05.47 | retybok | Ace2016: I'm looking for a script or something printing out packages sorted out by disk usage |
| 00:06.05 | Taza | retybok: I believe you want that to include depedencies? |
| 00:06.18 | retybok | Taza: that would be a nice improvement |
| 00:06.29 | nvz | Taza: well thats the gist of it, you need eth0 to toggle in the interfaces file between a auto/dhcp state and a auto/static state (statically configured gateway IP for the DHCP server and firewall) and to start the PPP connection and iptables/ipmasq |
| 00:06.37 | retybok | Taza: basically I want to clean a system who is not used by the same person anymore |
| 00:07.07 | Taza | retybok: I know this is #debian, but sometimes the Reboot, Reinstall, Replace works here too. :P |
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| 00:07.26 | nvz | Taza: you need to read up on the linux manual pages about ipmasq, interfaces, and also install ipmasq and some DHCP daemon to issue IPs to the windows box.. |
| 00:07.33 | Taza | Yeh |
| 00:07.44 | Taza | Well, now that I know where to start it isn't half that hard. |
| 00:07.54 | nvz | Taza: setting the windows box up statically and using the same IP for the eth0 when in GPRS mode as the router you normally use has, would take out one step |
| 00:08.20 | Taza | nvz: I'm not sure my router supports that. |
| 00:08.33 | wols | nvz: with a double NAT it'S fairly easy |
| 00:08.34 | Ace2016 | nvz: you wouldn't happen to know of a way i can run ubuntu's xorg+xgl with debian sid somehow without breaking sids xorg and messing up all the packages, the thing is i have it set up really well and working with compiz on this system and i want to take xorg and stuff to the new system, put it in another partition and mount it as /opt/2ndroot and then run xgl off of it by editing /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, rpath has been mentioned but i think |
| 00:08.34 | Ace2016 | that requires a recompile of packages so probably not a good idea |
| 00:08.48 | wols | without: not so much (changing gateways for the windows client) |
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| 00:09.24 | nvz | Taza: it doesnt have to.. just set the IP pool to like 192.168.0.10-100 or however many you need and give it a static one below that like 192.168.0.2 with the gateway field set to 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:09.46 | nvz | wols: you lost me on a double nat.. I barely grasp nat at all |
| 00:09.55 | wols | a nat behind a nat |
| 00:10.06 | Taza | nvz: Y'see, I don't think my router supports fixed IP's for the range I could use. |
| 00:10.23 | nvz | Taza: your router doesn't have to even know you use static configuration |
| 00:10.28 | Taza | There WOULD be a way to hack around that but it'd require more than 10 computers connected to the four-port router simultaneously. |
| 00:10.29 | wols | the debian box connects to the router when there is a landline or uses gprs when not |
| 00:10.29 | retybok | Taza: i don't have a debian disk and I have a slow ADSL connection |
| 00:10.38 | retybok | reinstalling is not an option |
| 00:10.39 | nvz | Taza: you just give a damn box an IP in its subnet and set the routers IP as its gateway and they communicate |
| 00:10.41 | wols | and the windows client always sends its packets via the debian one |
| 00:10.42 | Taza | retybok: How slow? |
| 00:10.51 | retybok | 60 KB/s |
| 00:10.55 | nvz | Taza: the only issue is the router issuing THAT ip as a DHCP address |
| 00:11.09 | retybok | btw the system is fine, I just want to remove a few big packages |
| 00:11.14 | nvz | Taza: which is why you use addresses outside your DHCP pool that are within that subnet for static hosts |
| 00:11.17 | wols | retybok: that's not slow |
| 00:11.27 | retybok | for france it is |
| 00:11.36 | retybok | 2MB/s is the rule |
| 00:11.45 | Taza | retybok: I just installed Debian fresh on a 40 KB/s connection |
| 00:11.49 | nvz | Taza: using DHCP with NAT makes it more confusing than you need it to be to share internet with one pc occationally |
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| 00:12.03 | wols | retybok: thing is many of the big packages like openoffice are dispersed over a gazilion packges,so it doesn't really make much sense |
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| 00:12.10 | Taza | wols: It NEEDS to be able to work without the debian box. |
| 00:12.15 | nvz | static iptables rules will be easier than dynamic ones |
| 00:12.20 | retybok | wols: right |
| 00:12.25 | SamuraiDio | how do i unload a module? |
| 00:12.28 | retybok | I thought maybe there would be some solution |
| 00:12.31 | wols | SamuraiDio: man modprobe |
| 00:12.45 | Taza | All boxes have to work independantly. And the debian box needs to share internet with the win box occasionally. |
| 00:12.45 | SamuraiDio | no, thats to read the manual |
| 00:12.53 | nvz | SamuraiDio: duh |
| 00:12.58 | SamuraiDio | hehehe |
| 00:13.02 | Taza | retybok: Have you looked at the "netinst" cd? |
| 00:13.05 | wols | Taza: not possible without custom software on the router |
| 00:13.26 | Taza | retybok: A fresh install would take some two hours on your connection. |
| 00:13.30 | wols | cause the windows box will have different gateways depending who or what provides the inet connection |
| 00:13.38 | Taza | wols: It IS possible. |
| 00:13.45 | wols | Taza: then tell me how |
| 00:13.57 | Taza | wols: I don't know how but I know you're dead wrong. |
| 00:14.04 | wols | Taza: how do you know? |
| 00:14.04 | retybok | Taza: not with all the packages i need |
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| 00:14.21 | wols | Taza: you need to take more courses in logical reasoning |
| 00:14.27 | nvz | heh |
| 00:14.36 | Taza | Ah, /ignore. <3 |
| 00:14.41 | wols | moron |
| 00:14.48 | Taza | GeekSmellNode always has some idiots, and I figure I found one. |
| 00:14.55 | Taza | nvz: Thanks. I know where to start now. |
| 00:15.16 | Taza | And I have a week to figure it out how to do it, with my debian box working independantly nowe |
| 00:15.19 | wols | nvz: have you notized it's 2hours into sunday? |
| 00:15.21 | Taza | And that's an improvement. |
| 00:15.28 | nvz | not where I sit |
| 00:15.42 | nvz | wols: its still about 4 hours till here |
| 00:15.44 | wols | but where taza does |
| 00:15.47 | nvz | heh |
| 00:15.51 | wols | makes all the difference it seems |
| 00:15.57 | nvz | apparently |
| 00:16.14 | nvz | we need a whiteboard service |
| 00:16.23 | wols | what for? |
| 00:16.26 | nvz | so these morons who cant explain things can draw a picture |
| 00:17.26 | nvz | like I said earlier I learned working construction that a picture was worth a thousand words.. especially when there is too much noise to hear anyhow |
| 00:17.52 | nvz | I'd always carry scrap pieces of wood or siding and stuff in my bag and draw pictures and throw them at the cut guy |
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| 00:18.36 | nameless | SamuraiDio, italiano ? :D |
| 00:18.40 | wols | for networking stuff it would be good yes |
| 00:18.46 | SamuraiDio | brazilian |
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| 00:18.55 | nvz | I was trying to think of a way to make digital tapes that could record what you were mesauring then wirelessly transmit measurments to a small readout unit the cut person could carry |
| 00:19.01 | nameless | oh, nothing then lol |
| 00:19.10 | nvz | didn't seem like it could happen reasonably cheaply.. |
| 00:19.22 | nvz | went in the would be cool if i had a million dollars pile |
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| 00:19.38 | mav | hey there guys |
| 00:19.44 | Taza | nvz: If #debian had a whiteboard service it'd be full of 4chan fellows. |
| 00:19.46 | nvz | mav: gals? |
| 00:19.59 | nvz | Taza: I don't know what that means |
| 00:20.12 | mav | i've a problem, i am sitting on a debian etch system and i've got a lot of ppl with windows here in my network |
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| 00:20.13 | Taza | Don't google it |
| 00:20.19 | mav | how can i scan for network shares here? |
| 00:20.25 | nvz | I think it would be cool to make a generic client that was specifically for newbies getting on here |
| 00:20.28 | wols | mav: man smbclient |
| 00:20.33 | Taza | mav: Samba |
| 00:20.34 | mav | nvz i dont expect any "gals" here :) |
| 00:20.34 | nvz | put them into one of those queues and shit |
| 00:20.46 | Taza | I'm not exactly a newbie. |
| 00:20.56 | nvz | while we extract information from them one-on-one and then convey coherently their questions |
| 00:21.00 | Taza | I've been fiddling with linux for six to seven years. |
| 00:21.13 | nvz | people smart enough to use a real IRC client and get in here can talk freely |
| 00:21.21 | nvz | the rest gotta wait for a representitive.. heh |
| 00:21.30 | gimpy | anyone ever dealt with "Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldrun-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 1"? |
| 00:21.39 | wols | nvz: doubt it would be popular for either the "clients" or the "extractors" |
| 00:21.48 | wols | maybe propose it to #ubuntu. better suited for it |
| 00:22.09 | nvz | wols: I can always get the info out of people.. then by time I realize what they are really trying to do I have no fucking clue |
| 00:22.30 | nvz | I am silently trolled by vagueness |
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| 00:24.31 | mav | wols: Taza thanks |
| 00:25.00 | nvz | mav: yeah, just wannabes.. |
| 00:25.24 | Taza | nvz: I might be a bit hard to understand but what I'm trying to do is by no means standard either. |
| 00:25.44 | mav | nvz: what exactly do you mean? |
| 00:26.20 | Taza | mav: He's rambling. |
| 00:26.29 | mav | dont get it.. |
| 00:26.31 | nvz | Taza: I've been a technology consultant for like 10 years, I've been idling in this channel for about 7.. you don't need to tell me this is not standard proceedure |
| 00:26.34 | Taza | It happens when you frequent GeekSmellNode |
| 00:26.43 | nvz | mav: wannabe gals |
| 00:26.53 | mav | who, them or me? |
| 00:26.57 | mav | sorry dont geht it |
| 00:27.00 | nvz | like that Girl[24] or whatever that comes in |
| 00:27.12 | Taza | mav: This place smells like GEEK, there are no chicks here |
| 00:27.36 | mav | exactly Taza |
| 00:27.54 | mav | linux is not for girls.. |
| 00:27.57 | efaistos_ | cant read wma files with mplayer |
| 00:28.00 | mav | so...? |
| 00:28.01 | efaistos_ | maybe DRM stuff |
| 00:28.04 | gimpy | linux a man's OS |
| 00:28.08 | Taza | mav: Linux might be, FreeNode sure as heck isn't |
| 00:28.09 | nvz | your geek bashing fest isn't making your chances of getting help around here any better |
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| 00:28.16 | mav | efaistos_: install the dirty codecpack |
| 00:28.18 | bobesponja | hey |
| 00:28.25 | nvz | everyone wants to make fun of the nerd until then need to know something |
| 00:28.27 | efaistos_ | mav: which one ? |
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| 00:28.40 | mav | hmm crap.. hold on a sec |
| 00:28.45 | Taza | If I want to argue with a geek I just join here. #debian isn't that good, #damnsmalllinux is just friendly, but hey, if I try #gentoo or #fluxbox, whoa. |
| 00:28.45 | mav | i'll post a rep |
| 00:28.59 | nvz | dpkg, be thinking barbie |
| 00:29.00 | dpkg | thinking is hard! |
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| 00:29.12 | bobesponja | I'm trying to use my SIP phone but I get a message saying that port 5060 is already in use, is there a way to free that port or to know what application is using it? |
| 00:29.31 | mav | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ stable main paste this one into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:29.37 | mav | then make an aptitude update |
| 00:29.41 | efaistos_ | w32codecs ? |
| 00:29.47 | mav | exactly |
| 00:29.51 | efaistos_ | already installed but not working :( |
| 00:29.55 | Taza | #opengl is SO cryptic, #alsa is kinda like debian. #kde and #gnome are both fanboy ground, #ubuntu is all inside jokes and newbies. |
| 00:29.58 | mav | look for other codecs also |
| 00:30.09 | mav | w32codecs are not the only one |
| 00:30.10 | mav | s |
| 00:30.24 | Taza | #wikipedia is full of paranoid schizophrenics. To the point going there should be strictly limited to trolling. |
| 00:30.41 | wols | nvz: I found a way how to do what he wants. needs some coding in something like python or "better" tho |
| 00:30.45 | Taza | If you aren't aiming to troll, you have no business to go into #wikipedia |
| 00:30.45 | Taza | :p |
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| 00:31.05 | wols | and squarely falls into "should not do territory" but doable |
| 00:31.06 | mav | what the f*ck is going on here guys? |
| 00:31.07 | Taza | nvz: I'm not bashing geeks, I'm one myself. I'm bashing freenode. |
| 00:31.25 | wols | translation: he is troll |
| 00:31.29 | mav | hmm a little more selfesteem Taza |
| 00:31.41 | nvz | damn it, I lost my fucking paperclip |
| 00:31.45 | Taza | Which might be the largest geek concentration in the known universe but is still a bit too full of ego. |
| 00:32.02 | mav | ego, or emo? Taza |
| 00:32.13 | mav | stop this crap and start to help a little |
| 00:32.16 | Taza | mav: Ego. Emo would be something like ByteIRC. |
| 00:32.22 | wols | bobesponja: netstat -anp |grep 5060 |
| 00:32.35 | wols | bobesponja: as root |
| 00:33.08 | Taza | wols: BTW, sorry about my reaction. |
| 00:33.26 | bobesponja | wols: thanx |
| 00:33.33 | Taza | wols: I know when I'm right and if I start to argue about it then I get very, very frustrated very quickly, and seeing this is my last day of vacation, I don't want that. |
| 00:33.36 | nvz | Taza: yeah well freenode is like home to most of US geeks who support FOSS |
| 00:34.00 | wols | Taza: troll elsewhere. not on freenode if you can help it (who am I kidding) |
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| 00:34.14 | Taza | nvz: I get into arguments on freenode so frequently it isnä't pleasant. |
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| 00:34.42 | Taza | I don't mind the occasional arguments, I consider 'em trollin' practice, but on freenode I find myself arguing like an emacs fanboy facing a vi fanboy |
| 00:34.47 | Taza | Or is tha KDE vs Gnome these days=? |
| 00:35.04 | Taza | It used to be emacs vs vi but I hardly hear that anymore. |
| 00:35.23 | wols | do you have a debian question? |
| 00:35.52 | mav | kde?gnome? |
| 00:35.58 | Taza | I had one, now I'm just randomly chatting and seeing if there's anyone I can help |
| 00:36.08 | mav | trying to hide those with dwm |
| 00:36.18 | Taza | mav: fluxbox here |
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| 00:36.31 | efaistos_ | mav: any idea about the name of the others codecs ? |
| 00:36.37 | mav | too much of a ressourceuser |
| 00:36.43 | mav | hmm |
| 00:36.47 | mav | not exactly |
| 00:36.58 | mav | try aptitude search *codec* |
| 00:37.02 | Taza | Wait, what? fluxbox uses too much resources? |
| 00:37.52 | wols | efaistos_: if w32codecs doesn't work you are SOL |
| 00:37.53 | mav | compared to dwm, it does |
| 00:37.59 | wols | there is nothing else for WMA |
| 00:38.14 | mav | wma, dwm.. those are my favourites |
| 00:38.18 | nameless | w32codecs works great o_O |
| 00:38.29 | wols | well, windows under vmware or such of course is always an option |
| 00:38.38 | mav | efaistos_: what do you need the codecs for? |
| 00:38.41 | wols | maybe even wine if you are really lucky (unlikely) |
| 00:38.45 | mav | what exactly doesnt work on your machine? |
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| 00:38.50 | Taza | wols: Didn't VCL have stuff inbuilt? |
| 00:38.51 | stiv2k | what is scsi_eh_1 ? |
| 00:38.59 | Taza | wols: Or is that just under windows? |
| 00:39.15 | efaistos_ | mav: I just convinced a friend to switch to Debian |
| 00:39.20 | efaistos_ | but he has a lot |
| 00:39.24 | mav | so? |
| 00:39.24 | efaistos_ | of wma files |
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| 00:39.31 | efaistos_ | that he bought ? |
| 00:39.31 | mav | ah i see |
| 00:39.44 | mav | sure.. he bought those.. anyways |
| 00:39.53 | mav | what player does he use? |
| 00:39.55 | efaistos_ | yes he had ... |
| 00:39.59 | Taza | mav: PIRATE wma files have no problem under Linux |
| 00:40.01 | Taza | Only real ones |
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| 00:40.15 | Taza | If you buy stuff, you suffer. If you pirate, you're home free. <3 |
| 00:40.18 | Taza | Gotta love Microsoft. |
| 00:40.26 | ameyer | FUCK'd files might have issues |
| 00:40.27 | efaistos_ | that's really crap |
| 00:40.29 | mav | i dont care actually.. |
| 00:40.50 | Taza | efaistos_: There's both the illegal option of ripping the copy protection off under Windows or the legal option of running Windows under VMWare |
| 00:40.52 | ameyer | Windows FUCKs WMAs by default for no good reason though |
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| 00:41.10 | Taza | efaistos_: I suggest the illegal option - it saves you a lot of trouble and nobody cares. |
| 00:41.11 | mav | theres no need to use vmware to play wma files? |
| 00:41.30 | ameyer | (just to be clear, Fair Use Circumvention Kit) |
| 00:41.31 | efaistos_ | Taza: what's the point to launch windows under debian ... even with vmware |
| 00:41.32 | Taza | mav: I figure that applies normally, but not with DRM'd wma files. |
| 00:41.50 | efaistos_ | and no windows |
| 00:41.51 | mav | exactly |
| 00:41.55 | gimpy | anyone ever dealt with "Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldrun-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 1"? |
| 00:41.56 | wols | ameyer: transcoding? |
| 00:41.59 | Taza | mav: If you know of a way to play DRM'd wma files under linux, please do share. |
| 00:42.12 | efaistos_ | ;) |
| 00:42.29 | Taza | efaistos_: Did he uninstall the box the wma's were created under already? |
| 00:42.30 | mav | i dont, but as a matter effect i dont have any |
| 00:42.46 | ameyer | wols: Fair Use Circumvention Kit is a more accurate term for DRM |
| 00:42.47 | efaistos_ | Taza: yes |
| 00:42.57 | \amethyst | "matter of fact". "matter effect" is gravity |
| 00:42.57 | nvz | Taza: I still hear the editor wars often enough.. cause emacs still rules the world and the vi* still suck |
| 00:42.59 | Taza | efaistos_: Use a pirate network and download copies. |
| 00:43.24 | Taza | efaistos_: It's not legal but it's a LOT less trouble than doing it the Right Way (tm) (c) |
| 00:43.25 | mav | yeah sorry, my english is not the best, i know :D |
| 00:43.58 | mav | i am from russia sry for my mistakes |
| 00:43.59 | Taza | efaistos_: You need to decrypt them under the same windows install they were encrypted / bought under. |
| 00:44.27 | Taza | efaistos_: Otherwise, at least for encoded files (probably bought too), the decryption info is lost forever and you have to bruteforce them open. |
| 00:44.30 | mav | brb, going to get me a new drink |
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| 00:45.11 | \amethyst | mav: your English seems fine to me, "matter effect" is a perfectly understandable mondegreen |
| 00:45.13 | Taza | efaistos_: Only if you're a customer who buys things legally you get hurt by DRM. Welcome to the Dark Side. |
| 00:46.34 | mav | mondegreen? whats that supposed to mean? |
| 00:46.39 | poncha | why do postinstall scripts of packages rely on having local root user in mysql without password? (example: package mtop) |
| 00:46.49 | mav | but thanks though |
| 00:47.02 | poncha | why not use "debian-sys-maint" user for that matter ? |
| 00:47.12 | Taza | mav: It ain't perfect by a longshot but it's understandable |
| 00:47.27 | mav | aha |
| 00:47.50 | Taza | mav: That, however, is a perfectly honest opinion. :p |
| 00:47.56 | mav | does anyone know where i can find a telnet chat? :D |
| 00:48.01 | \amethyst | mav: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen |
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| 00:48.13 | mav | i know these are rare, but i always wanted to try that out :) |
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| 00:49.02 | \amethyst | mav: telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 :) |
| 00:49.21 | mav | thats not what i meant :D |
| 00:49.54 | mav | a real telnet chat |
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| 00:52.34 | mav | hmm |
| 00:52.37 | mav | well then |
| 00:53.26 | mav | do ppl still have to use your mouse to control your system, or are here ppl, like me, only using shell tools? |
| 00:53.43 | mav | besides firefox ;) |
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| 00:55.10 | Taza | Mouse? What's that? |
| 00:55.21 | Taza | Oh, right. The windows pointing device. |
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| 00:55.40 | mav | whops |
| 00:56.06 | Taza | [03:55] <Taza> Mouse? What's that? |
| 00:56.07 | Taza | [03:56] <Taza> Oh, right. The windows pointing device |
| 00:56.13 | Taza | I mostly use the shell. I hardly ever touch X |
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| 00:56.27 | Wolfhound | Guten Morgen |
| 00:56.30 | mav | hehe cool |
| 00:56.36 | Taza | I want X to look cool, and use ion2 or fluxbox, but usually I just use the shell. Does wonders for my battery life too |
| 00:56.46 | Taza | Or ion2 with multiple shells |
| 00:56.53 | mav | oh i see, a laptop? |
| 00:56.59 | Taza | Yeh |
| 00:57.03 | mav | cool |
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| 00:57.10 | mav | so why do you have fluxbox then? |
| 00:57.26 | mav | have you ever tried dwm or some other suckless wm? |
| 00:57.32 | Wolfhound | is this only an english room? |
| 00:57.43 | Taza | mav: ion2 is suckless |
| 00:57.53 | Taza | Got a link to dwm's page tho? |
| 00:58.00 | mav | suckless.org |
| 00:58.13 | mav | try out dwm, its awesome |
| 00:58.20 | mav | dwm+dmenu, best combination |
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| 00:59.24 | Taza | mav: Do you know what ion2 is? |
| 00:59.45 | mav | hmm i've heard about it, but never tested it myself |
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| 00:59.59 | Taza | It looks VERY similiar to wmii |
| 01:00.11 | Taza | Does wmii support hotkey configuration WITHOUT learning how to reprogram the damn shell? |
| 01:00.13 | mav | hmm |
| 01:00.22 | Taza | Or dwm |
| 01:00.50 | mav | i dont know, but it should do that |
| 01:00.58 | mav | dwm does |
| 01:01.45 | Taza | Meh |
| 01:01.51 | Taza | I'll install both dwm and wmii |
| 01:01.54 | Taza | Atm running Stable tho |
| 01:02.01 | Taza | Upgrading to Unstable next weekend |
| 01:02.19 | mav | hmm and why? |
| 01:02.30 | mav | http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5682/200710210312011280x1024ep3.png thats my desk |
| 01:02.32 | Taza | Why running stable or why upgrading? |
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| 01:03.14 | mav | why upgrading to unstable? |
| 01:03.19 | mav | got your own kernel? |
| 01:03.25 | Taza | Not yet |
| 01:03.31 | mav | so then why? |
| 01:03.46 | Taza | Because I want this system to be on the edge? |
| 01:03.51 | mav | hehe |
| 01:03.52 | Taza | Except it doesn't have a 3d accelerator. :P |
| 01:03.56 | mav | the you should maybe use arch? |
| 01:04.21 | mav | a friend of mine using it for 3 weeks now |
| 01:04.30 | Taza | No Arch. |
| 01:04.31 | Taza | Yuck |
| 01:04.37 | Taza | I'm going with Debian tyvm |
| 01:04.44 | mav | exactly my thoughts :D |
| 01:04.58 | mav | yeah well, thats dwm +dmenu on the pic |
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| 01:05.54 | mav | on the top left you've got your tags, every screen has its tag, so you can switch between them and make them hide/show |
| 01:06.26 | Taza | Ahh |
| 01:06.39 | Taza | Installing nethack-console, frozen-bubble, xletters and xgalaga |
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| 01:06.44 | Taza | It's feeling like a linux system-. |
| 01:06.58 | mav | :D |
| 01:07.31 | Taza | irssi, nethack-console, links, ninvaders. There are four console programs it got to have. :;P |
| 01:07.44 | mav | ninvaders?` |
| 01:07.50 | mav | whats that about? |
| 01:08.08 | Taza | ncurses Invaders. |
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| 01:08.49 | Shifty | hey all |
| 01:09.11 | Shifty | Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character <--- how can i fix that? (character is from germany (ü) |
| 01:09.36 | mav | Shifty: install utf-8 chars |
| 01:10.10 | mav | and what is nethack-console for? |
| 01:10.38 | mav | omg thats a game? :D |
| 01:10.48 | mav | dont have times for games :) |
| 01:10.48 | Shifty | mav how do i install utf-8? |
| 01:10.51 | Taza | mav: Yes it's a game. It's nethack for god's sake. :P |
| 01:10.58 | Taza | It's the classic of classics |
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| 01:11.16 | Taza | THE game for linux systems. |
| 01:11.54 | mav | Shifty: i cant do all the work for ya |
| 01:12.01 | mav | google it, where are you from germany? |
| 01:12.06 | thruxton | I am looking at buying a laptop (HP Pavillion) that has an AMD Turion processor, is there a flavour of Debian that will run on this processor? |
| 01:12.06 | mav | wiki.debianforum.de |
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| 01:12.10 | mav | try your luck there |
| 01:12.18 | nameless | anyone here use E17 as wm ? |
| 01:12.26 | Shifty | yes mav |
| 01:12.29 | Taza | thruxton: Yes. There is. |
| 01:12.31 | wols | !e17 |
| 01:12.31 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 01:12.34 | Shifty | thx mav |
| 01:12.43 | mav | !nethack-console |
| 01:12.47 | mav | !nethack |
| 01:12.47 | dpkg | from memory, nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
| 01:12.54 | nameless | DR17 ? |
| 01:12.55 | nameless | o_O |
| 01:13.04 | mav | np Shifty |
| 01:13.08 | Taza | thruxton: Thinking of buying a Turion machine myself, and there most certainly is a flavour of Debian that'll run on it |
| 01:13.13 | mav | Shifty: also try debianforum.de |
| 01:13.25 | Wulong | I need help with a package problem. Whatever I try doing it still wants to download some crap: http://pastebin.com/m43952cde |
| 01:13.26 | Taza | Heck, i386 should work on it, tho not as well as the 64bit version |
| 01:13.27 | thruxton | Taza: great, that is good news then |
| 01:13.32 | wols | thruxton: both i386 and amd64 will run |
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| 01:13.45 | wols | Taza: it will work better |
| 01:13.46 | nameless | wols: what is dr17 ? |
| 01:13.51 | wols | !dr17 |
| 01:13.52 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 01:13.52 | mav | wols: back again? |
| 01:14.02 | mav | !typespeed |
| 01:14.02 | nameless | ahhh |
| 01:14.03 | Taza | wols: So i386 would work better than amd64? |
| 01:14.04 | nameless | ok |
| 01:14.16 | ameyer | Taza: except the 64 bit version of almoost any OS tends to not work so well right now |
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| 01:14.17 | wols | Taza: for a notebook, usually yes |
| 01:14.19 | Taza | Other than just the issue about software compatibility |
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| 01:15.21 | ameyer | in theory, x86-64/AMD64 would be faster, but there are compatibility issues |
| 01:15.30 | mav | my next pc gonna be a dual/quadrocore machine, with a lot of space, and a lot of ram |
| 01:15.31 | thruxton | wols, Taza: there are some issues with flash and other proprietary software I can expect then still? |
| 01:16.13 | mav | this one sucks, i cant even watch 1080i movies/series here.. |
| 01:16.15 | Taza | thruxton: I don't think you'll ever see the problem the FOSS crowd wouldn't have a problem with proprietary software. :P |
| 01:16.16 | wols | thruxton: with 64bit: yes |
| 01:16.20 | mav | mplayer says: your machine is to slow for that |
| 01:16.22 | mav | crap |
| 01:16.26 | Taza | * ever see the day |
| 01:16.47 | Shifty | ok, can some one tell me how i install utf-8? i treid with localedef -v -c -i de_CH -f UTF-8 /usr/lib/locale/de_CH.UTF-8 but no change |
| 01:16.49 | ameyer | thruxton: yes, and occasionally free/libre software is written in a way that's not entirely cross-platform |
| 01:16.59 | wols | !tell Shifty about locales |
| 01:17.07 | ameyer | that makes assumptions about things like the size of an int |
| 01:17.22 | wols | ameyer: to be fair, not in debian |
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| 01:17.25 | mav | !tell Shifty about google |
| 01:17.38 | Shifty | mav: -.- |
| 01:17.43 | mav | :D |
| 01:17.50 | mav | useful information! |
| 01:17.55 | wols | Shifty: what program has those utf8 problems? |
| 01:17.58 | mav | u r welcome |
| 01:18.09 | ameyer | I still wouldn't use AMD64 unless I needed the additional RAM capabilities |
| 01:18.23 | wols | ameyer: certain programs can benefit too. e.g. SSL |
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| 01:18.40 | Shifty | thx wols |
| 01:18.46 | ameyer | not that I can, p3 lappy and p4-based celery desktop |
| 01:18.50 | Shifty | torrentflux |
| 01:19.01 | mav | Shifty: try rtorrent |
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| 01:19.10 | mav | much better program to handle torrent jobs |
| 01:19.13 | Shifty | mav ... no sry ... i have tflux :D |
| 01:19.26 | mav | how come? |
| 01:19.33 | ameyer | wols: for desktop use, it's likely not particulrly worthwhile IMO |
| 01:19.46 | mav | if u prefer gui-based clients, then maybe try deluge? |
| 01:19.54 | wols | ssl being a main duty of a desktop is kinda rare too |
| 01:20.03 | ameyer | darn 'a' key's coming and going on my lappy |
| 01:20.41 | mav | oh crap.. 3.30 already |
| 01:20.53 | ameyer | Debian shoould have a i386 version for the forseeable future, right? |
| 01:21.28 | Taza | Well, no, but probably for a decade or so |
| 01:21.44 | Taza | Possibly more. |
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| 01:21.48 | ameyer | that's reasonably "forseeable future" |
| 01:21.48 | mav | debian never is the latest and greatest so to speak.. but is always stable... what has been testet WILL work.. |
| 01:21.58 | billybong | hey guys the guy i set this server up for screwed up phpmyadmin |
| 01:22.15 | billybong | any way to reinstall it as default |
| 01:22.15 | mav | awsome billybong |
| 01:22.26 | mav | dpkg -reconfigure |
| 01:22.28 | ameyer | and 32 bit may havw a few y2k-style issues in 2038 anyway |
| 01:22.32 | ameyer | *have |
| 01:23.11 | billybong | dpkg -reconfigure phpmyadmin |
| 01:23.13 | billybong | just like that ? |
| 01:23.17 | mav | yap |
| 01:23.23 | billybong | thank you :) |
| 01:23.25 | mav | but all the saved configs will be gone |
| 01:23.39 | mav | so maybe make a copy of those first |
| 01:24.23 | mav | hmm he wont do that.. |
| 01:25.03 | Taza | ameyer: We can probably believe then i386 will only be quickly patched, if at all, and left to rot |
| 01:25.59 | mav | debian is the wrong dist. if you want have the latest and greatest stuff |
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| 01:26.54 | Taza | I have a 700mhz processor and 256mb of memory |
| 01:26.58 | Taza | I think Debian will be just fine. |
| 01:27.25 | mav | therefore yes, it will |
| 01:28.02 | mav | hmm my roommate is asleep already.. |
| 01:28.48 | mav | ok, i think i should do the same, i'm gonna finish my drink, go out for a smoke and then call it a day |
| 01:28.51 | Taza | mav: Thanks to you, I'm testing wmii |
| 01:28.56 | wols | billybong: no. it's dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:29.11 | Taza | I've got a fair bit to brush up now, because this install is BLOATED. |
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| 01:29.19 | billybong | ya it didn't work so i just deleted it and reinstalled it |
| 01:29.27 | mav | hehe u r welcome, hope u like it |
| 01:29.42 | Taza | I'll see. |
| 01:29.57 | mav | yap |
| 01:30.57 | sparr | Can anyone recommend a shell with bash-like scripting, except with the ability for a script to modify its parent's environment? |
| 01:30.58 | mav | billybong: stop doing that.. thats windows style |
| 01:31.07 | Shifty | so can some 1 tell me how i can say it python to use utf-8? |
| 01:31.19 | mav | sparr: try rxvt |
| 01:31.26 | mav | urxvt the package name |
| 01:31.32 | wols | sparr: linux is a proper OS |
| 01:31.53 | wols | mav: rxvt is a shell? |
| 01:32.28 | sparr | mav: debian unstable is the best dist short of gentoo for the latest and greatest... and rxvt is a terminal emulator, not a shell |
| 01:32.28 | sparr | wols: and a proper OS should be missing this feature? |
| 01:32.29 | wols | sparr: how do you do it in other OSes? |
| 01:32.29 | mav | whops |
| 01:32.29 | wols | except MSDOS that is... |
| 01:32.34 | sparr | wols: in windows/dos i use a batch file |
| 01:32.46 | wols | that won't change the parent's environment |
| 01:33.06 | ameyer | Taza: umm, yeah, 2038 will probably be 3+ decades after a non-64 bit x86 desktop/server chip is commonly avaliable, sometimes you have to just let things die |
| 01:33.07 | sparr | so, a proper OS should be missing this feature? |
| 01:33.27 | wols | just tell me an OS that can do it and maybe how it does it |
| 01:33.36 | valdyn | sparr: it should. |
| 01:33.37 | sparr | linux can do it with "source" |
| 01:33.43 | Taza | ameyer: So not for all foreseeable future. Just some decades to the future. |
| 01:33.52 | wols | sparr: with "source"? |
| 01:33.55 | ameyer | Taza: jeez |
| 01:34.20 | Taza | ameyer: This is #debian, and #debian likes taking things slowly. Very slowly. |
| 01:34.26 | sparr | wols: yes, in bash that runs a script within the current environment, instead of giving it its own |
| 01:34.35 | ameyer | Taza: afaik, things are (slowly) being migrated to 64 bit unix time |
| 01:34.45 | diafic_ | time for sleep. Zzz |
| 01:35.04 | Taza | ameyer: Yeah, but I think it'll be a MINIMUM of 2 years, probably five or ten before the AMD64 is the main debian flavour. |
| 01:35.04 | sparr | wols: so if i have a script named foo, instead of './foo' i do 'source foo' |
| 01:35.10 | wols | sparr: if bash can do it, why don't you use it? |
| 01:35.21 | ameyer | which will describe 1970+-several billion years |
| 01:35.26 | sparr | it can only do it if i type 'source' every time i want to run the script |
| 01:35.30 | sparr | source foo |
| 01:35.32 | sparr | etc |
| 01:35.38 | wols | sparr: that won't change the parent's environment since the current shell will execute it. try again |
| 01:35.52 | ameyer | Taza: I'd guess Lenny+1, for what it's worth |
| 01:35.55 | sparr | oooh, getting nitpicky on me |
| 01:36.11 | sparr | it will change the current shell's environment. that shell being what WOULD have been the parent of the script without source. |
| 01:36.12 | wols | sparr: that's not nitpicky if you don't understand fundamentals of programming |
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| 01:36.41 | wols | changing a parent's environment means writing another process' memory. big no no |
| 01:36.53 | mav | sparr: what do you need that for?= |
| 01:37.07 | sparr | mav: i have a script that sets environment variables. long complex variables. |
| 01:37.24 | mav | whats this script for? |
| 01:37.27 | Tramp | sparr: I tried to explain a couple of days ago, that there is a fundamental difference between sourcing and running a script. I hoped you would follow on on that. |
| 01:37.35 | Dougy | hey |
| 01:37.40 | Dougy | i just installed debian and gnome |
| 01:37.45 | Dougy | on youtube i can watch vids but no sound |
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| 01:37.47 | mav | congrats :D |
| 01:37.49 | Dougy | google is being a dick |
| 01:37.51 | Dougy | any results? |
| 01:37.53 | sparr | Tramp: i have. and been quite annoyed. ive run that script at least 50 times since then, and forgotten to type source at least half a dozen |
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| 01:38.25 | wols | sparr: alias is awesome |
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| 01:38.41 | valdyn | sparr: why dont you add or source it in your ~/.profile ? |
| 01:38.41 | mav | whats this script for? sparr |
| 01:38.59 | sparr | valdyn: i fail to see how that would help |
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| 01:39.11 | sparr | wols: i havent figured out a way to apply an alias |
| 01:39.27 | valdyn | sparr: ~/.profile sets plenty environment variables, why not yours? |
| 01:39.30 | sparr | mav: setting long complex environment variables |
| 01:39.40 | mav | hmm.... |
| 01:39.41 | sparr | valdyn: how would it know what to set them to? and when to change them? |
| 01:39.54 | wols | heck, make a child bash. not as if it consumed a lot of memory |
| 01:40.00 | valdyn | sparr: you didn't tell us that they change |
| 01:40.12 | sparr | why would it be a script that im running dozens of times if they dont? |
| 01:40.16 | sparr | wols: very very tempting |
| 01:40.45 | sparr | wols: but im sure id forget to exit, and end up with dozens of shells running inside each other |
| 01:41.00 | mav | sparr: what r u doing for living? |
| 01:41.21 | sparr | desktop and server support mostly these days. some web site design. why? |
| 01:41.28 | mav | just interested.. |
| 01:42.09 | sparr | a script can automate almost anything... except this. that just seems weird. |
| 01:42.16 | valdyn | this is such a weird approach |
| 01:42.20 | valdyn | to whatever you want to do |
| 01:42.34 | mav | thats what i thought too |
| 01:42.49 | sparr | export WINEPREFIX=$HOME/.wine/$1 |
| 01:42.49 | sparr | wineprefixcreate |
| 01:42.51 | sparr | thats the script |
| 01:43.08 | sparr | well, that was the first one |
| 01:43.14 | valdyn | sparr: what's the point of that without running wine? |
| 01:43.18 | sparr | its too long to paste now, but that version gets the idea across |
| 01:43.28 | mav | nopaste.com |
| 01:43.30 | mav | try that |
| 01:43.48 | sparr | valdyn: i run wine afterwards, hence the problem at hand regarding the environment |
| 01:43.52 | sparr | mav: why? |
| 01:44.02 | mav | i wanna see the script |
| 01:44.13 | sparr | id rather not |
| 01:44.14 | valdyn | sparr: so why is there now big 'mywine' script that just sets the vars and then also runs wine |
| 01:44.31 | sparr | valdyn: im probably going to run wine 2-3 different times after |
| 01:44.34 | sparr | and maybe winecfg |
| 01:44.38 | sparr | and maybe winedbg |
| 01:44.43 | valdyn | sparr: so run mywine 3 times |
| 01:45.06 | mav | thats nonsense, what do you the script really for? :D |
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| 01:45.11 | sparr | and pass it an extra parameter every time? |
| 01:45.21 | valdyn | mav: just sets environment for wine.. |
| 01:45.26 | sparr | mav: really for exactly what that does. it sets the wine 'root', and initializes it |
| 01:45.30 | sparr | then i can run wine and use that root |
| 01:45.45 | sparr | valdyn: your way i would have to pass in the same $1 to mywine every time |
| 01:46.40 | Tramp | sparr: what is the problem with an alias, as wols suggested? |
| 01:46.41 | mav | i dont get it |
| 01:46.54 | sparr | which would be just as annoying as having to type source now, except more often |
| 01:47.02 | valdyn | hah |
| 01:47.15 | sparr | Tramp: im using $1 somewhere other than the end of the script? |
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| 01:47.46 | sparr | i havent used aliases a lot, seems like they can only take the place of a script if $@ is the last (and only) part of the script |
| 01:48.06 | valdyn | sparr: an alias does text replacement |
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| 01:48.45 | martman | im trying to compile a newer version of fuse and its kernel module. i keep getting a modpost error, kind of like im running one kernel and compiling against another |
| 01:48.48 | martman | but there the same version |
| 01:48.51 | martman | i got from apt |
| 01:48.54 | martman | anything i can do? |
| 01:49.03 | sparr | valdyn: docs indicate it only does replacement at the beginning of the line |
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| 01:49.19 | valdyn | sparr: yes |
| 01:49.32 | sparr | so how would it apply here? |
| 01:50.10 | valdyn | alias w1 "long command" |
| 01:50.45 | valdyn | alias w1="long command" even |
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| 01:51.03 | sparr | then "w1 foo" becomes "long command foo"... my script has stuff AFTER $1, which means i would need "w1 foo" to become "long command foo; another command" |
| 01:51.08 | aeshyamae | hi whats the standard way to try the new gnome 2.20 in my existing etch installation? |
| 01:51.33 | mav | ok guys, i'll call it a days |
| 01:51.35 | valdyn | sparr: you have like hundreds of different wine 'homes' ? |
| 01:51.39 | sparr | aeshyamae: there is no "try". seriously. you could install it a number of ways, but going back would be distinctly non-trivial |
| 01:51.40 | mav | cya.. maybe tmrw |
| 01:51.51 | sparr | valdyn: dozens. maybe a hundred. i could count? |
| 01:51.52 | valdyn | sparr: that's what your system is designed for appearantly |
| 01:52.20 | valdyn | sparr: now that's maybe your primary problem |
| 01:52.22 | sparr | one for every windows app/game i have installed |
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| 01:53.15 | valdyn | sparr: im sure you can create w1 - w9999 for all your commands |
| 01:53.29 | valdyn | sparr: but the existance of your need for that is something i dont understand |
| 01:53.38 | aeshyamae | sparr : ok.. how can i get gnome2.20 from debian repo? |
| 01:54.14 | sparr | valdyn: creating that many aliases is far more work than just remembering (on the second try even) to type source |
| 01:54.29 | sparr | valdyn: i only ever run the script once with a given parameter |
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| 01:54.45 | Shadow_7 | Hmmm. It looks like libgl1-mesa-dri didn't upgrade with the last upgrade. |
| 01:55.02 | tarrybone | sparr: but you can make an alias for sourcing the file! i dont understand what the problem is... |
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| 01:56.13 | Tramp | sparr "my script has stuff AFTER $1" - sorry, I fail to get the meaning of this. How do you call your script? what does ";othercommand" mean in your counterexample? |
| 01:56.19 | sparr | tarrybone: hadnt thought of that. guess that will work. seems hacky though |
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| 01:56.45 | sparr | Tramp: i call my script "newwine foo", it sets an env variable to something/foo then runs another binary. ";othercommand" is that other binary |
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| 01:57.31 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 01:57.45 | vvd | hello |
| 01:57.51 | Tramp | sparr: and alias mynewwine="newwine $1" does not work? |
| 01:58.12 | Tramp | sparr: sorry and alias mynewwine="source newwine $1" does not work? |
| 01:58.22 | sparr | Tramp: yes, that should work. tarrybone just pointed that out. |
| 01:58.58 | Tramp | sparr: my. of course that was what we meant all the time with aliasing. |
| 01:59.30 | sparr | i thought you meant implementing the script itself as an alias |
| 01:59.57 | Tramp | oh my Dog 8) Should be more verbatim then in the future ... |
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| 02:00.03 | nootoyahora | I have a 486-DX2@66 and I have just installed stable, with kernel 2.6.18-5-486. I'm having some troubles, the system is painfully slow, there are 3 modules at least that keeps on loading thuough beeing blacklisted (dm_mod, dm_mirror and dm_snapshot) and what is worst at all, I cannot run apt-get or dpkg becuase it sa fork failed: Cannot allocate memory"... what's worng? anybody can help me?ys " |
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| 02:00.43 | sam55 | nootoyahora: what is the output of command free -m |
| 02:00.57 | Tramp | But once one gets explicit, people start saying "Hey, I'm not a moron, I do Unix since 1952" |
| 02:01.15 | nootoyahora | sam55, http://pastebin.com/m43cbd3e8 |
| 02:02.01 | sam55 | nootoyahora: you have only 30 MB of ram? |
| 02:02.37 | nootoyahora | sam55, yes, only 32 megas, it is a 486 man... and it has been running sarge with no problem... |
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| 02:03.21 | sam55 | nootoyahora: when you say system is painfully slow, what window manager and deskto manager are you running? |
| 02:03.35 | billybong | omg |
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| 02:03.39 | \amethyst | if you've got 32 MB you'd better not be running a desktop manager |
| 02:03.44 | billybong | X on a 32MB ram |
| 02:03.47 | billybong | your insane |
| 02:03.48 | nootoyahora | sam55, none at all, I'm tryng to use it as a ppp server, it has nothing but the debian base system |
| 02:03.54 | \amethyst | I ran X on 16MB for a few years |
| 02:04.02 | sam55 | nootoyahora: okay, much much better! |
| 02:04.03 | \amethyst | but that was with fvwm2 and no DE |
| 02:04.09 | fignew_ | ratpoison! |
| 02:04.09 | billybong | \amethyst, ya back in like 97 |
| 02:04.18 | \amethyst | 95 actually :) |
| 02:04.18 | sparr | billybong: fooey. XFree86 or X.org is insane, but there are plenty of X servers that run fine on a lot less ram than that. |
| 02:04.39 | billybong | sparr, i neve knew of anything other than those two |
| 02:04.42 | billybong | never* |
| 02:04.50 | sam55 | nootoyahora: so running aptitude update fails? |
| 02:04.52 | nootoyahora | billybong, I was running X on 32 megas d eram in that machine, it i snot the case anymore |
| 02:04.53 | \amethyst | actually, maybe it was 96 |
| 02:05.21 | nootoyahora | sam55, I do use apt-get, an yes, it fails, and I have ran dpkg -i and it fails the same |
| 02:05.21 | sparr | billybong: check out tinyx |
| 02:05.31 | billybong | sparr, no good to me |
| 02:05.34 | billybong | anymore |
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| 02:05.45 | billybong | my oldest box is a 1.4ghz with 512MB ram |
| 02:05.54 | sam55 | nootoyahora: what do you get in /var/log/syslog when that happens? |
| 02:05.55 | billybong | newest is duo core with 2GB ram |
| 02:06.07 | sam55 | For audio recording on Testing, if I am recording using arecord, anybody know how to see the input level meters? |
| 02:06.22 | billybong | i'll keep it in mind if i ever decide to break out me 386 though :) |
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| 02:06.44 | \amethyst | can't use debian :) |
| 02:07.22 | nootoyahora | sam55, do you want that I run apt-get install wahtever and then I check /var/log/syslog? |
| 02:07.25 | \amethyst | not since sarge anyway |
| 02:08.10 | sam55 | nootoyahora: yes. Another option is to run 'tail -f -n 15 /var/log/syslog' and see what it reports as you try to update your system. |
| 02:09.07 | nootoyahora | sam55, yep, i know of tail, but thanks... my system is slow 2 or 3 minutes and then I will tell you (I'm running it by now) |
| 02:09.25 | sam55 | okay. |
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| 02:10.33 | nootoyahora | sam55, i have rune (other time than this) watch free -m, and the memory went to zero free and then hung-up :( |
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| 02:11.45 | sam55 | nootoyahora: okay, so you don't have enough ram. maybe you need to see what top reports and see which processes could be killed(?) |
| 02:11.53 | ShadowPhoenix | hello, can anyone tell me how I can disable the ping reply from my debian server? |
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| 02:12.06 | ShadowPhoenix | As in, if I ping the machine it tells me that "it doesn't exist" |
| 02:12.21 | nootoyahora | sam55, there is nothing to be killed, because there is nothing but the base system... and ssh (because it is a headless system) |
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| 02:13.18 | nootoyahora | sam55, everytime dpkg or apt-get has worked, and I don't understand why it is not working anymore for a machine of 32 megas |
| 02:13.52 | sam55 | nootoyahora: what are the exact differences in you machine between the times when things were working and now? |
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| 02:13.59 | mosty | i'm trying to understand how tc classifies packets, can someone explain what the flowid argument does? |
| 02:14.26 | nootoyahora | sam55, it was a sarge machine, now it is a fresh stable machine (it was qemu-installed) |
| 02:14.38 | ShadowPhoenix | What does Debian use port 954 for? |
| 02:14.59 | nootoyahora | a virus :P |
| 02:15.41 | sam55 | nootoyahora: not familiar with qemu -- but Etch is the current stable, right? Maybe its kernel actually requires more ram than that? Perhaps you can start with adding some swap space. |
| 02:15.43 | \amethyst | ShadowPhoenix: sudo netstat -tnap | grep 954 |
| 02:15.50 | amphi | ShadowPhoenix: netstat -plunt | grep 954 |
| 02:15.59 | amphi | heh |
| 02:16.03 | \amethyst | ShadowPhoenix: that will tell you what process is using it; it's not in /etc/services |
| 02:16.23 | ShadowPhoenix | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:954 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2047/rpc.mountd |
| 02:16.31 | Supaplex | ahh nfsd |
| 02:16.34 | ShadowPhoenix | rpc.mountd 0_o? |
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| 02:16.51 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: nfs server |
| 02:16.52 | nootoyahora | sam55, maybe, but it is dpkg usage what drives ram to zero... it seems to be... non logical 12 megas? it is really necessary to use 12 megas pro apt-get install ppp???????? |
| 02:16.57 | ShadowPhoenix | plunt and tnap gave the same result |
| 02:17.07 | ShadowPhoenix | Supaplex: I LOVE YOU! |
| 02:17.13 | ShadowPhoenix | *ahem*, the game I meant :p |
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| 02:17.31 | ShadowPhoenix | Just noticed it, and I beat half of it ^_^ |
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| 02:17.48 | ShadowPhoenix | But then I got stuck and had to cheat, and it went downhill from that point on :/ |
| 02:17.52 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone tell me an easy way to stream the audio from a mic input on one of my boxes accros the lan ? |
| 02:18.06 | nootoyahora | Yggdrasil, try sox |
| 02:18.10 | Yggdrasil | sox |
| 02:18.13 | Yggdrasil | gotcha |
| 02:18.19 | Yggdrasil | is it cli ? |
| 02:18.19 | ShadowPhoenix | anh what is a nfs server? |
| 02:18.21 | nootoyahora | ? |
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| 02:18.36 | sam55 | nootoyahora: yeah, maybe dpkg is also using more ram, in addition to kernel using more ram. Both are probably culprits for your situation. So, unless there are some other processes taking up your RAM, you could add more ram, or add swap space ... or try a different distro (dsl?). |
| 02:18.59 | Yggdrasil | is it guit or console ? |
| 02:19.03 | Supaplex | !nfs |
| 02:19.03 | dpkg | somebody said nfs was Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 02:19.05 | nootoyahora | Yggdrasil, yes, it is cli (of course) and I think I rmemeber that it cand send audio to the network... maybe not exactly streaming |
| 02:19.13 | Yggdrasil | mhmm |
| 02:19.15 | Yggdrasil | ok ill try it |
| 02:19.21 | ShadowPhoenix | awesome |
| 02:19.25 | sam55 | nootoyahora: will it be easy for you to add more swap space? Which reminds, how much swap did you have have before this fresh install? |
| 02:19.35 | ShadowPhoenix | update-rc.d remove rpc.mountd? |
| 02:19.57 | nootoyahora | sam55, but I did not have any problem with woody or sarge... |
| 02:20.46 | nootoyahora | sam55, /var/log/syslog says nothing |
| 02:20.49 | ShadowPhoenix | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -, my port 2049 is open!!! how do I close it? |
| 02:20.49 | sam55 | nootoyahora: Yes, but 1) How much swap space did you have before? (2) Maybe the kernel and packages are using more ram (3) I do not see what else you can other than the three choices I listed before. |
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| 02:21.38 | ShadowPhoenix | Is there a file which lists open ports? |
| 02:21.38 | ShadowPhoenix | So I could close them all? |
| 02:21.41 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: for a in /etc/init.d/nfs* ; do $a stop ; done |
| 02:21.51 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: no, you stop the service |
| 02:22.01 | _Sam-- | or, firewall the port. |
| 02:22.03 | nootoyahora | sam55, ok, let's buy a new machine, it is a great solution, when dpkg uses so much space uses to be for something, and it can be tuned... th eproblem is that i don't know how... |
| 02:22.14 | ShadowPhoenix | Supaplex: for some reason, 2049 is open, with no services! |
| 02:22.29 | ShadowPhoenix | oh wait |
| 02:22.33 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: I beg to differ. |
| 02:22.37 | ShadowPhoenix | Thank you Supaplex! You save me yet again! :D |
| 02:22.46 | sam55 | nootoyahora: Where did I say buy a new machine? You still haven't asnwered my question regarding increasing the swap space. |
| 02:23.20 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: now if you want them off permently, uninstall the package(s). what's dpkg -S /etc/init.d/nfs* say? paste it at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 02:23.23 | ShadowPhoenix | Do I need samba-swat? |
| 02:23.34 | Yggdrasil | nootoyahora i dont know about that.. |
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| 02:24.08 | ShadowPhoenix | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/y7rOQP53.html |
| 02:24.32 | nootoyahora | sam55, it cannot be done, the disk is very tight of space (420 megas), I will list the partition table right now in pastebin, jsut a minute |
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| 02:24.40 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: apt-get remove nfs-common nfs-kernel-server |
| 02:24.47 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: they'll stay off after that. |
| 02:25.01 | ShadowPhoenix | They better stay off my PC! |
| 02:25.06 | ShadowPhoenix | I got htop just in case |
| 02:25.18 | Supaplex | uh yea, that's what remove is all about. :) |
| 02:25.35 | ShadowPhoenix | oh |
| 02:25.37 | ShadowPhoenix | or that :) |
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| 02:26.22 | ShadowPhoenix | now I feel so much better.... my debian machine has almost as many closed ports as my Gentoo one now! |
| 02:26.32 | ShadowPhoenix | Supaplex: is it possible to remove gcc? |
| 02:26.39 | Supaplex | sure |
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| 02:27.09 | ShadowPhoenix | Dang it! |
| 02:27.13 | \amethyst | if someone can get source code onto your machine they can get a statically linked binary, too |
| 02:27.47 | \amethyst | or a Perl script |
| 02:27.59 | Supaplex | oh noes he infamous perl |
| 02:28.06 | Supaplex | s/he/the/ |
| 02:28.09 | ShadowPhoenix | afpd |
| 02:28.12 | Supaplex | </sarcasm> |
| 02:28.31 | _Sam-- | ShadowPhoenix: the problem isnt the open ports. with all due respect, its your lack of understanding about the services that run on the ports, how to configure and control those service, and / or how to firewall them. |
| 02:28.32 | ShadowPhoenix | AppleTALK? |
| 02:28.34 | Supaplex | scratch sarcasm, it's </drama> |
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| 02:29.02 | Supaplex | yes my apple ibook can talk |
| 02:29.05 | ShadowPhoenix | _Sam--: I got a smoothwall 2 days ago, now I am working to secure my system :). Cut me some slack, at least I am trying to learn |
| 02:29.26 | nootoyahora | sam55, http://pastebin.com/mf13a0a2 |
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| 02:29.50 | _Sam-- | then you should try to understand what those services are , and what they do, and if you may ever need them, and how to turn them off and disable them from boot. |
| 02:30.02 | _Sam-- | update-rc.d is a good start |
| 02:30.26 | ShadowPhoenix | "update-rc.d service remove" ^^ |
| 02:31.08 | _Sam-- | same with iptables -- there is nothing wrong with open ports, if you know what they are , and control who can access them. |
| 02:31.53 | sam55 | nootoyahora: yeah. Sorry, this is beyond me. If I were in your place, I would search google about using dpkg with small ram, or go back to Sarge, or think about Damn Small Linux. The last option, which you are not going to accept, is to add RAM to the machine. |
| 02:32.56 | ShadowPhoenix | _Sam--:I am not THAT worried about my security to make iptables :) |
| 02:33.17 | _Sam-- | hopefully smoothwall does a fine job of that |
| 02:33.27 | _Sam-- | ive never used it, do my firewalling with iptables. |
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| 02:33.54 | nootoyahora | sam55, I have search google ;(... I have installed this machine with a qemu installation (It took me 7 days to install you know), I cannot put more ram on it because there are no simms avalaible... and I'm keep on wondering how it can be possible that debian does NOT run in such a machine! |
| 02:34.34 | nootoyahora | sam55, something might be wrong |
| 02:34.44 | nootoyahora | sam55, biut I don't know what |
| 02:35.03 | ShadowPhoenix | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/portmap exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 02:35.03 | ShadowPhoenix | What does that mean? |
| 02:35.27 | _Sam-- | it means it doesnt remove the item from startup unless you use -f |
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| 02:35.45 | ShadowPhoenix | _Sam--: why not? |
| 02:35.55 | _Sam-- | it shows you first what it wants to do. |
| 02:36.21 | ShadowPhoenix | Why? |
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| 02:36.40 | Tramp | ShadowPhoenix: You can find it in the fine manpage of update-rc.d |
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| 02:37.41 | ShadowPhoenix | oh noez, here comes the fine print :) |
| 02:37.50 | sam55 | nootoyahora: maybe ask this on Debian developer's mailing list? Or... may I dare to suggest .. file a bug? |
| 02:38.02 | _Sam-- | ShadowPhoenix : with -f it allows you to keep the script in /etc/init.d, but not load it at boot. |
| 02:38.13 | _Sam-- | if you dont have it in /etc/init.d, then you dont need -f |
| 02:38.51 | nootoyahora | sam55, oh well, I will file a bug... I will say... don't know what is worng with a etch, sarge and wody were all right with smal l machines, but etch don't... welll... |
| 02:38.56 | wols_ | nootoyahora: what messages are in syslog and dmesg? |
| 02:39.04 | ShadowPhoenix | okay, thanks _Sam-- :) |
| 02:39.18 | wols_ | nootoyahora: it's not a bug if you lack ram btw. |
| 02:39.25 | wols_ | nootoyahora: how big is your swap? |
| 02:39.49 | sam55 | wols_: yes, I will agree with you. But this was a wild shot in the hope that the developer will somehow settle this once and for all :) |
| 02:40.17 | wols_ | debian has public seeable system requirements |
| 02:40.35 | sam55 | wols_: as I had suggested to nootoyahora, best is to post this on debian developer's mailing list or better still, just send an email to dpkg maintainer. |
| 02:40.46 | nootoyahora | wols_, my swap is eaxctly the same size that worked with woody and with sarge... I'll tell you know, one moment please |
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| 02:40.56 | dto | how do i put packages on hold from the command line? |
| 02:41.02 | wols_ | !hold |
| 02:41.03 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 02:41.11 | ShadowPhoenix | !life |
| 02:41.11 | dpkg | it has been said that life is what you made by yourself. so if you're saying "life sucks", it is you that sucked. |
| 02:41.14 | nootoyahora | wols_, 22 megas |
| 02:41.26 | sam55 | dto: use aptitude and use the option 'hold' with it |
| 02:41.27 | ShadowPhoenix | wow |
| 02:41.32 | wols_ | nootoyahora: and what prevents you from allocating more? |
| 02:41.36 | ShadowPhoenix | I never thought THAT would happen |
| 02:41.39 | ShadowPhoenix | !RAM |
| 02:41.39 | dpkg | ram is, like, (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask about <free ram> |
| 02:41.45 | dto | sam55: i can't do it with dselect non-interactively? |
| 02:41.53 | ShadowPhoenix | !sleep |
| 02:41.53 | wols_ | ShadowPhoenix: stop the botabuse please |
| 02:41.54 | dpkg | it has been said that sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 02:42.00 | ShadowPhoenix | ok, sorry :) |
| 02:42.12 | nootoyahora | wols_, if i do allocate more than apt-get cannot be don right becuase / is amall (it is a 420 MB only disk) |
| 02:42.18 | ShadowPhoenix | it was fun while it lasted |
| 02:42.18 | wols_ | dto: have you even read the factoid? |
| 02:42.23 | dto | what factoid |
| 02:42.43 | sam55 | dto: oh, dselect. "=" I think puts a package on hold |
| 02:42.45 | wols_ | dto: the hold factoid dpkg pasted into the channel 1 minute ago |
| 02:42.50 | dto | no |
| 02:43.01 | wols_ | dto: then maybe you should read the channel next time? |
| 02:43.12 | nootoyahora | wols_, it has been running right with woody and with sarge for years wih that configuration, taking 10 MB of ram plus 10 of swap space for doing dpkg -i ppp seems to be... not right |
| 02:43.12 | dto | ah! |
| 02:43.14 | dto | thanks |
| 02:43.17 | dto | i didn't see that before |
| 02:43.38 | wols_ | nootoyahora: every new version of debian has ~50% more packages in the repos |
| 02:43.56 | wols_ | so obviously, dpkg will need memory to process them |
| 02:44.00 | nootoyahora | wols_, and? what's the matter with the number of packages? |
| 02:44.14 | nootoyahora | wols_, don't see the logic I'm sorry |
| 02:44.15 | wols_ | the more packages there are, the more ram dpkg needs obviously |
| 02:44.25 | nootoyahora | not so obvious |
| 02:44.29 | nootoyahora | not to me |
| 02:44.35 | wols_ | look how big the packages.gz file was for woody and sarge and then look at etch |
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| 02:44.46 | wols_ | hint: it always increases over time |
| 02:45.02 | vyrus001 | how do i install debain on a headless system? |
| 02:45.12 | wols_ | !tell vyrus001 about d-i |
| 02:45.18 | nootoyahora | I don't understand what needs to be kept on memory sincerely |
| 02:45.31 | wols_ | nootoyahora: the packages database? |
| 02:45.35 | ShadowPhoenix | !tell ShadowPhoenix about d-i |
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| 02:45.40 | nootoyahora | if i do dpjg -i packet.deb... what needs to be kept on memory? nothing? |
| 02:45.42 | wols_ | !tell ShadowPhoenix about selftell |
| 02:45.57 | mirak | hi |
| 02:46.02 | vyrus001 | wols_: how does that help me with headless? |
| 02:46.02 | nootoyahora | wols_, if i do dpkg -i packet.deb... what needs to be kept on memory? nothing? |
| 02:46.03 | ShadowPhoenix | ah, so that's how it works |
| 02:46.03 | wols_ | nootoyahora: there is a database that keeps in tabs on what is installed and what not |
| 02:46.10 | vyrus001 | dont u need a head to use the debian installer? |
| 02:46.14 | wols_ | at least while dpkg runs, it needs to |
| 02:46.15 | ShadowPhoenix | OMG, thank you wols_! :D |
| 02:46.25 | nootoyahora | wols_, you can ake that database in hd directly, and not in ram |
| 02:46.28 | wols_ | vyrus001: no |
| 02:46.53 | wols_ | nootoyahora:if you can do it better than the dpkg programmers, you are free to do so. have a good day |
| 02:46.54 | nootoyahora | and you can do it with a hash table, so it doesn't need such a memory footprint |
| 02:46.55 | ShadowPhoenix | :( |
| 02:47.00 | ShadowPhoenix | the bot doesn't want to talk to me anymore! |
| 02:47.03 | mirak | I have a Asus K7N8XE delux, this motherboard support ATA133, and my hard drives does, but only one of them is enabled with udma 6 and the other is udma 3 . What can I do to change that ??? |
| 02:47.17 | wols_ | mirak: hdparm |
| 02:47.24 | wols_ | if the hdd actually supports udma6 |
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| 02:47.31 | wols_ | which very few do |
| 02:47.35 | mirak | wols_: it should at least support udma5 |
| 02:47.49 | nootoyahora | wols_, adding more ram to a problem, or buying a new machine to the problem it i snot the right way to end this I think... |
| 02:47.58 | mirak | wols_: it supports ATA-7 norm |
| 02:48.01 | wols_ | nootoyahora: go away and code your own dpkg |
| 02:48.24 | nootoyahora | wols_, go away and try to learn some education man |
| 02:48.32 | mirak | wols_: I mean ATAPI-7 |
| 02:48.49 | mirak | Wolfete: unfortunely I don't see how to change UDMA setting with hdparm |
| 02:48.56 | ShadowPhoenix | Does anyone know how soon you are allowed to talk to the bot again? |
| 02:48.57 | wols_ | man hdparm |
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| 02:49.29 | mirak | nootoyahora: you are saying dpkg hogs the cpu ? |
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| 02:49.46 | nootoyahora | mirak, not the cpu, it hogs the ram, and the swap... |
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| 02:50.25 | ShadowPhoenix | nootoyahora: I got a system right now using 56MB of RAM headless with Apache2 and a few other services |
| 02:50.30 | ShadowPhoenix | you should be able to cut that down to 30 |
| 02:50.42 | sam55 | nootoyahora: I must ask, what made you do this fresh install? |
| 02:50.48 | wols_ | wth? |
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| 02:51.34 | nootoyahora | ShadowPhoenix, I suposse it, that's why I am asking, if I kne hot to do it (and why is happening) I willo NOT ask here.. but I don't know, but the only answers I get is "you sohuld buy a new machine" |
| 02:52.12 | sam55 | ShadowPhoenix: how much swap space do you have? |
| 02:52.18 | nootoyahora | sam55, yes, it is a fresh install from yesterday, and it apt-get updated and dist-upgraded |
| 02:52.20 | ShadowPhoenix | sam55: 0 in use... |
| 02:52.23 | _Sam-- | are there any HD DVD drives that are supported under debian / linux ? |
| 02:52.24 | wols_ | etch installer will need 48MB or no workie |
| 02:52.40 | ShadowPhoenix | try with gentoo, that might work |
| 02:52.45 | sam55 | nootoyahora: you haven't answered my query: what made you do the fresh install? Or, what was wrong with the previous one? |
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| 02:52.49 | nootoyahora | wols_, in console? or gui? |
| 02:53.54 | sam55 | ShadowPhoenix; k. |
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| 02:54.20 | nootoyahora | sam55, ah, sorry, didn't understand you :) because i was using woody, then i dis-upgraded to sarge with no problem, but i fucked it dpkging packages by hand... so i Decided to make a fresh install... with stable |
| 02:54.23 | vyrus001 | wols_: so im a bit lost... how does one use the installer headless? |
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| 02:54.57 | nootoyahora | vyrus001, taking a monitor nad hooking it up xD |
| 02:55.02 | wols_ | by using ssh, telnet or serial console |
| 02:55.41 | vyrus001 | wols_: ic... well i have a serial console.. does that initiate when the installer starts up? ive only done with head so im a bit n00b to the whole headless / ssh thing |
| 02:57.17 | wols_ | !tell vyrus001 about ig |
| 02:57.50 | mirak | wols_: ok I found it |
| 02:58.01 | mirak | wols_: how can it not be the default value ? |
| 02:58.10 | sam55 | nootoyahora: you know what? If Sarge was fine for you, perhaps you should go back to it for now(?) |
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| 03:00.03 | nootoyahora | sam55, maybe, but that' s not the point exactly.. in order to do the same that with sarge, I need now to have a bigger machine... something' s not right here: same programs, some procedure... and it does not work either... do you understand me? do you see what I'm trying to say? |
| 03:00.25 | ShadowPhoenix | How do I know what version of debian do I have? |
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| 03:00.54 | sam55 | nootoyahora: yes, I do. That is why I had suggested earlier to post this on developer's mailing list. Or maybe start with Debian User mailing list. |
| 03:01.17 | wols_ | nootoyahora: what are the system requirements of say sarge according to debian? |
| 03:01.24 | wols_ | what are the same requirements for woody? |
| 03:01.28 | wols_ | and for etch? |
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| 03:02.30 | nootoyahora | sam55, It is wishful thinking... debian project is somewaht refractive of strangers... (you can see how is wols_ actig... debian people nowadays are like that) |
| 03:03.02 | nootoyahora | wols_, shut please, say something constructive or shut up please, you are boring me |
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| 03:03.40 | wols_ | nootoyahora: to people whitout a brain they tend to be like that with good reason |
| 03:03.44 | sam55 | nootoyahora: on the contrary, I find Debian User mailing list to be quite civil and useful. There relatively no pompous asses there as compared to the "leet" idiots of linux newsgroups or earlier years. |
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| 03:03.50 | wols_ | you're a prime example of a sunday visitor |
| 03:04.32 | nootoyahora | sam55, maybe I'll give it a try what list suggest me? |
| 03:04.35 | wols_ | each new release of deban needs more ram. this is simply normal and has been thus for since forever |
| 03:04.41 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: It would be possible to do what you're suggesting, but a lot of work |
| 03:04.47 | sam55 | nootoyahora: wols_ 's been quite okay. I would still suggest try the mailing lists. And also, if you eventually find out you are not meeting the minimum requirements for Etch, then accept that as reality. |
| 03:04.49 | nootoyahora | wols_, it is not normal |
| 03:04.52 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: re: not loading the whole package list into RAM |
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| 03:05.12 | wols_ | and this has been the same with pretty much every OS |
| 03:05.47 | wols_ | nootoyahora: if a dataset increases, so does memory consumption. that is logical |
| 03:05.56 | nootoyahora | wols_, i hace a PhD in engineering, and I have work doing embeded systms man, and still don't see the reason |
| 03:06.23 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: because the people who write the programs that go into debian aren't embedded systems people |
| 03:06.26 | wols_ | you are a nameless guy on irc |
| 03:06.36 | \amethyst | developers rarely try out their software on such small machines |
| 03:06.37 | nootoyahora | wols_, it i snot necessary, only in a deffective design... it is not logical to make an O for i386 processsors and... 1GB of ram (to say something) |
| 03:06.46 | \amethyst | so dont' notice as it creeps up in size |
| 03:07.01 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: the current "minimum" requirements are 48MB |
| 03:07.03 | wols_ | nootoyahora: debian does NOT run on a i386 anymore |
| 03:07.10 | vyrus001 | does anybody know where in the documentation it covers headless installation? there is no direct link to it in the table of contents |
| 03:07.11 | \amethyst | that's within a binary order of magnitude of what you have |
| 03:07.11 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, and I didn't notice it till today (literally today) |
| 03:07.51 | sam55 | nootoyahora: Try these: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/. Subscribe to Debian-User. It has helped me immensely since I started using Debian a few years ago. |
| 03:07.59 | \amethyst | the package list is, I suspect, bigger than it was in woody |
| 03:08.05 | Jordan | you'll want 64 mb with a desktop |
| 03:08.10 | wols_ | Ashareth: it always is. usually ~50% |
| 03:08.16 | \amethyst | but GNU software doesn't typically optimize for memory |
| 03:08.23 | wols_ | erm, \amethyst |
| 03:08.23 | \amethyst | Old Unix software did |
| 03:08.30 | nootoyahora | sam55, ok, I will do that... maybe I post my point of view, maybe someone will agree with me (or maybe no one) |
| 03:08.46 | wols_ | nootoyahora: the people doing the work won't |
| 03:08.58 | sam55 | nootoyahora: you know, maybe you should try getting dpkg's source and take a peek? If you find the problme and can improve it, that would a great help to Debian ... and perhaps Linux too! |
| 03:09.04 | nootoyahora | wols_, why not? |
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| 03:09.21 | wols_ | nootoyahora: because it's lots of work for little gain if any |
| 03:09.27 | \amethyst | actually |
| 03:09.36 | wols_ | nootoyahora: unless you volunteer to do that work. that's ia always welcome |
| 03:09.44 | \amethyst | indexing the package list so it could be used on-disk would be good for everybody |
| 03:09.51 | wols_ | but debian is volunteers only, very overworked volunteers as it si |
| 03:10.12 | Jordan | amethyst gnu software is way better on ram then say windows software, especially when it comes to cleanup |
| 03:10.17 | nootoyahora | wols_, I know what's debian, I have been using debian since 1.3.1 times |
| 03:10.28 | wols_ | \amethyst: no. cause due to seek times it would be slower for the vast majority of people |
| 03:10.38 | wols_ | not to mention the dpkg code more error prone |
| 03:10.39 | nootoyahora | Jordan, thanks |
| 03:10.54 | \amethyst | it would be harder to write |
| 03:11.02 | nootoyahora | wols_, are you a dpkg coder? |
| 03:11.09 | wols_ | nootoyahora: no |
| 03:11.34 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, not hader to wirte, in fact, it would be MORE easy to write, the problem is that it will need more time thinking, and less coding |
| 03:11.35 | \amethyst | but with readahead and a large buffer cache (like people with lots of RAM have) it shouldn't be too much slower |
| 03:11.47 | nootoyahora | wols_, have you coded something similar? me yes, and you? |
| 03:12.10 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, maybe a solution would be allow for it |
| 03:12.20 | nootoyahora | and option or something like that |
| 03:12.38 | nootoyahora | but it i snot here where it must be spoken |
| 03:12.57 | nootoyahora | sam55, I would take the dpkgo code if I had some time |
| 03:13.05 | nootoyahora | vut it i snot the case anymore :/ |
| 03:13.09 | wols_ | nootoyahora: you can't be easier than simply mmap the whole file |
| 03:13.44 | wols_ | which is what dpkg most likely does (apt-get does for example, see the dynamic mmap error) |
| 03:14.19 | \amethyst | wols_: libc uses mmap for most opens of big files, from what I've seen |
| 03:14.28 | \amethyst | under the hood |
| 03:14.28 | nootoyahora | wols_, er, I'm sorry, I don't understand what you say (my engilsh is not so good, I'm sorry) |
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| 03:14.49 | wols_ | nootoyahora: if you don't know what mmap is, then you are not qualified to talk about linux programming, sorry |
| 03:14.52 | wols_ | !mmap |
| 03:14.52 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 03:15.18 | wols_ | \amethyst: apt wouldn't speak about mmap directly if it used simple fopen or open |
| 03:16.00 | nootoyahora | wols_, maybe that's the asnwer I was asking for... |
| 03:16.31 | wols_ | nootoyahora: no you aren't. a LONG time ago I asked you about your syslog and dmesg output. you still ahven't told |
| 03:16.37 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: how much swap do you have btw? |
| 03:16.48 | wols_ | \amethyst: 22MB |
| 03:16.56 | \amethyst | ouch |
| 03:17.02 | \amethyst | you can't afford more swap even? |
| 03:17.03 | nootoyahora | wols_, I said they didn't say anything, did not you read me? |
| 03:17.09 | wols_ | and while he says he has a 420MB disk and NOTHING but base+sshd he can't spare more |
| 03:17.12 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, nop :( |
| 03:17.53 | wols_ | nootoyahora: what MTA do you run? are you running udevd? |
| 03:18.09 | \amethyst | yeah, on a machine that small I would try a static /dev |
| 03:18.28 | wols_ | nootoyahora: note how things like udevd NEVER ran in sarge |
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| 03:18.36 | wols_ | notice what happens? |
| 03:18.52 | wols_ | but if you really were an embedded systems engineer, you would know such things |
| 03:19.09 | wols_ | cause even I aren't such an illustrious engineer but I know |
| 03:19.45 | \amethyst | unlike in embedded systems, the marginal cost of another meg of memory is next to nothing for most Linux developers :) |
| 03:19.47 | nootoyahora | wols_, you know a lot of things... |
| 03:19.58 | wols_ | nootoyahora: I know shit all |
| 03:20.03 | wols_ | nootoyahora: so what MTA runs? |
| 03:20.04 | \amethyst | s/Linux/GNU\/Linux/, but I didn't want to make it sound like I was insulting FSF |
| 03:20.18 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, it is ot for an embedded system, is for me, to tinker a bit |
| 03:20.21 | wols_ | \amethyst: RMS beware! |
| 03:20.34 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: there are better Linux distributions for that these days |
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| 03:21.05 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, maybe, but I do know debian, and I use debian |
| 03:21.21 | wols_ | nootoyahora: what MTA? |
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| 03:21.40 | nootoyahora | wols_, no MTA |
| 03:21.41 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: Damn Small Linux can use woody packages :) |
| 03:22.05 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, then I would install wwody, make smore sense to me ;D |
| 03:22.06 | sam55 | \amethyst: DSL is what I mentioned to nootoyahora a little while ago. |
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| 03:22.41 | ameyer | woody's freaking ancient... |
| 03:22.47 | ameyer | think 2002-ish |
| 03:23.02 | ameyer | and it didn't age like XP did |
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| 03:23.51 | wols_ | ameyer: with an XP install, the only files that are probably original fromt he old CD are the desktop backgrounds |
| 03:24.08 | wols_ | everything else has been replaced about 5 times by now I guess. IE 500x times |
| 03:24.10 | ameyer | or maybe I'm biased against Woody... |
| 03:24.42 | ameyer | wols_: umm, I'd guess some documentation, fonts, sounds, stuff like that |
| 03:25.05 | nootoyahora | wols_, dmesg says nothing about memory or similar, but "32MB LOWMEM available." |
| 03:25.16 | ameyer | but Woody's likely quite similar |
| 03:25.39 | wols_ | if a process is killed since linux runs out of memory it is written to the kernel log |
| 03:25.41 | ameyer | all I know is that I was never really able to get woody to install |
| 03:26.06 | \amethyst | wols_: but not if a process dies because it runs out of memory |
| 03:26.13 | \amethyst | only oom_killer gets logged |
| 03:26.25 | \amethyst | s/dies/aborts/ |
| 03:26.34 | Arafangion | \amethyst: What if you overcommit memory? |
| 03:26.58 | nootoyahora | I'm going to try that mmap thingie that wols_ told me.. maybe it be enough, or don't |
| 03:27.01 | \amethyst | then it probably depends on the details of your memory allocator |
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| 03:27.06 | vyrus001 | !tell me about factoid |
| 03:27.07 | wols_ | \amethyst: in older times my system just crashed. nowadays it kills apache for some reason and tells me in dmesg |
| 03:27.15 | Arafangion | \amethyst: By default, linux overcommits/ |
| 03:27.19 | \amethyst | wols_: yeah, that's the oom_killer |
| 03:27.26 | \amethyst | Arafangion: I mean, of the user-space allocator. |
| 03:27.43 | wols_ | \amethyst: yes, but always and only apache |
| 03:28.21 | Arafangion | \amethyst: If the memory is overcommitted, then the malloc routine always suceeds. |
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| 03:31.08 | \amethyst | Arafangion: there is talk of adding a new 'memory low' signal though |
| 03:32.27 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, if thisi time fails... I will have to take a decission... back to sarge? or try with more swap? what do you think? |
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| 03:33.08 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: I would say sarge |
| 03:33.20 | \amethyst | this machine's not going to be sitting bare on the internet, right? |
| 03:33.27 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, ok :( |
| 03:33.34 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: you could try more swap |
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| 03:33.53 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: but it's going to be slow, especially with a 1995-era hard drive :) |
| 03:34.18 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, nop, it is going to be used (with others) to tinker a bit with a ppp server and a fax server, nothing else... then all of them will go to trash |
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| 03:34.55 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, for me, this is a sad day, the frist day in 10 years that debina is worse than previous ;( |
| 03:35.11 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: worse for one particular purpose |
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| 03:35.29 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: feature creep happens to everything :) |
| 03:36.00 | \amethyst | And people make time/space tradeoffs differently than they did when that machine was current |
| 03:36.02 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, is the first time that, for doing EXACTLY the same thing, I have to update hardware... EXACTLY the same as microsoft... |
| 03:36.24 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, it is not feature creep, I'm not talking about running gnome or kde in a 486, I'm talking about base-system (literally base-system) |
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| 03:36.49 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: yes, the base system has more stuff in it than it used to. And the kernel is bigger |
| 03:37.02 | \amethyst | and the package list is bigger |
| 03:37.08 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, bigger for doing the same things? |
| 03:37.08 | \amethyst | which is the cause of your dpkg problems |
| 03:37.23 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: it's not doing the same thing, because it's processing a bigger list of software than it used to |
| 03:37.38 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, I think a very big file does not need to be adressed in memory, that is a bad design |
| 03:37.46 | \amethyst | but that's always been the design |
| 03:37.49 | \amethyst | so it's not a new flaw |
| 03:38.06 | \amethyst | If you had 16MB instead of 32MB, this would have happened a few releases sooner |
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| 03:38.58 | nootoyahora | there is really no way to process that file in disk? (I refer now) |
| 03:39.22 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: no, because dpkg keeps lots of in-memory data structures for speed reasons |
| 03:39.47 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: you could probably build an index offline and use that, but it would be a fairly big patch to dpkg to do that |
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| 03:40.45 | \amethyst | and it's not just one file |
| 03:40.54 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, 20 meg of ram plus 15 Mb of HD... 35 meg... really needed? I asume it is the reality of that, but is NOT sane man |
| 03:41.14 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: how much is in use when you're not using dpkg? |
| 03:41.41 | \amethyst | one thing that is in memory is a list of every file in every package |
| 03:41.46 | \amethyst | every installed package |
| 03:41.47 | nootoyahora | 8 MB RAM and 6 swap |
| 03:42.11 | nootoyahora | it grows up to all the ram (32 MB) and all the swp (22MB) |
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| 03:44.59 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, I do accpet that's the way things are, no problem, but it is NOT a good way, neither good nor desirable man (and no, it is not a good program if it needs to do so, replication in memory of what's in a file is in no way a good programming practice) |
| 03:45.13 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: It's time/space tradeoff |
| 03:45.56 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, I would need to read the code of dkpg and know exactly what really does... but... |
| 03:46.18 | nootoyahora | if it was an outsourced software, I didn't pay for that |
| 03:46.31 | \amethyst | outsourced? |
| 03:46.34 | nootoyahora | a lis of more than 40 MB... |
| 03:46.48 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, I was making an analogy :) |
| 03:47.14 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, if dpkg was something that was contracted |
| 03:47.51 | nootoyahora | (I'ma sorry, it's too late by here, I'm sleepy, and I'm angry for six days and a lot of failed etch installs) |
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| 03:52.02 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, curiosity.. you're a dpkg developer maybe? or am I wrong? |
| 03:52.05 | cyberbaze | !kernel |
| 03:52.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.1, snapshot: 2.6.23-git15, 2.4: 2.4.35.3, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-mm1 |
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| 03:52.59 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: no |
| 03:53.11 | ameyer | heh... |
| 03:53.16 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, only curiosity :) |
| 03:54.45 | ameyer | I know, probably the day after Duke Nukem Forever |
| 03:56.44 | \amethyst | it's been 2.5 years since the RC |
| 03:57.19 | ameyer | yeah, you'd think releasing RC meant you actually wanted to release it |
| 03:57.26 | \amethyst | more like 2.75 years |
| 03:57.38 | \amethyst | :) |
| 03:57.56 | ameyer | it was almost a year betweeen 2.2.26 and 2.2.27-rc2... |
| 03:58.16 | ameyer | honestly, 2.4's on its last legs |
| 03:58.17 | \amethyst | -rc1 and -rc2 were security fixes |
| 03:58.41 | ameyer | I think slackware and debian have both abandoned 2.4 |
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| 03:59.31 | ameyer | I know etch didn't package 2.4, lenny won't work with 2.4 |
| 03:59.33 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, in my p4@3GHz the testing apt-get it only gets 10 MB of memory... do you understand why do I think that something is wrong with the 486? |
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| 04:01.16 | ameyer | jeez, a 486 |
| 04:01.30 | ameyer | please tell me that's some sort of sick joke |
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| 04:02.02 | ameyer | that's like complaining that your 286 couldn't run Windows 2000 |
| 04:02.08 | nootoyahora | ameyer, nop, it is running two rooms away, why? |
| 04:02.39 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: that is strange |
| 04:02.46 | nootoyahora | ameyer, no, it is not the same, I'm not talking about running gnome oro something like that, but a base system |
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| 04:03.04 | ameyer | then again, airplane autopilot systems use 5 386s... |
| 04:03.11 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, do you undrstand me right know? testing -> meg, stable 40 meg and going up... |
| 04:03.38 | magyar | hi, what software to use for setting up a fax server with web gui? |
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| 04:04.14 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, maybe some other moment I will find the cause, maybe don't, but I think something's wrong, don't know why |
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| 04:05.27 | Ezep | sorry, how could i refresh the cache of the system to make a new index of the fonts? |
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| 04:06.32 | stan_ley | Q: Can I get only one instance of process from lsof ? i.e. [ lsof -i | grep -m 1 $] |
| 04:07.38 | \amethyst | Ezep: fc-cache -f perhaps |
| 04:07.59 | Ezep | \amethyst: thx, im going to try :-) |
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| 04:09.35 | sam55 | ezep: try fc-cache -fv |
| 04:10.46 | stan_ley | ^bump^ |
| 04:11.12 | Ezep | sam55: the same than verbose :), thx |
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| 04:15.07 | Ezep | sorry, anyone could use utf-8 in eterm? |
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| 04:15.46 | guillaume | hello :) I had a DV camcoder that I wanna use with testing (and the famous firewire_ohci kernel driver for ieee1394. Do you know if there's a software that work with it because kino doesn't and I would prefer avoid to bring ieee1394 back to raw1394 old driver. |
| 04:16.02 | click170 | #flood |
| 04:16.50 | stormshadow | um not sure yu might want to just plug yur camcorder in |
| 04:17.07 | stormshadow | & see what happens ;0 |
| 04:17.31 | guillaume | stormshadow: :) lol I ever done that of course |
| 04:17.54 | stormshadow | :) |
| 04:18.27 | guillaume | stormshadow: fw1 dev mount but it's unusable with kino and dvgrab |
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| 04:19.35 | \amethyst | Ezep: afaik Eterm doesn't support UTF-8 |
| 04:19.36 | stormshadow | oh bummer, im sure you've already check online |
| 04:19.48 | stormshadow | ? |
| 04:19.49 | Ezep | \amethyst: im sure u can configure it |
| 04:19.59 | stormshadow | guillaume: for docs |
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| 04:20.23 | Ezep | \amethyst: i see a blog in spanish, and he could uuse utf-8 :) |
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| 04:21.56 | stormshadow | im poundering playing with another scripting lang python or php? what do you guys suggest |
| 04:22.02 | guillaume | stormshadow: it's since kernel upgrade to 2.6.22-2, and yes I googling for that but as I didn't find a nice solution I was asking here for some guru help :) |
| 04:22.23 | EdLin | stormshadow: depends upon what you're doing |
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| 04:22.57 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 04:22.57 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:22.58 | stormshadow | EdLin: just goofing around on my server |
| 04:23.21 | EdLin | stormshadow: web-page creation goofing (PHP) or other goofing (Python)? |
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| 04:23.58 | stormshadow | guillaume: right just have to go through the steps |
| 04:24.23 | stormshadow | EdLin both I guess |
| 04:25.01 | EdLin | stormshadow: well, if you've got the time, try both, they're free. ;-) |
| 04:25.26 | EdLin | stormshadow: python is probably a better language, but PHP is good for webpages that use MySQL. |
| 04:25.51 | guillaume | stormshadow: the only solution that I found is to remove the new ieee1394 and to go back to raw1394... :( |
| 04:26.08 | stormshadow | yeah I guess yur right :D , I would like to interface with my mysql db's |
| 04:26.47 | \amethyst | Ezep: looking at the source, Eterm does not support utf-8 |
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| 04:27.31 | stormshadow | guillaume: yeah it sucks sumtimes to downgrade; but it's better to have it running ;) |
| 04:27.32 | \amethyst | Ezep: the author tried in 2004 to utf-8 support by piping everything through iconv, but couldn't get it working |
| 04:29.11 | \amethyst | s/to/to add/ |
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| 04:30.01 | guillaume | is it possible to start gnome session in an ssh tunnel ? I try ssh -X but it fail. I would like to setup and verify a distant compiz-fusoin install. Is it better to use tighvnc ? |
| 04:30.10 | stormshadow | guillaume: believe me the pain of running etch 64 on my laptop for a desktop environment there's still no proper flash support |
| 04:30.29 | guillaume | stormshadow: wrong, mine work |
| 04:30.36 | \amethyst | guillaume: try ssh -Y |
| 04:30.36 | mazzanet | win 22 |
| 04:30.44 | stormshadow | guillaume: really? |
| 04:30.56 | guillaume | stormshadow: testing as a non free flash player 9 |
| 04:31.19 | stormshadow | where did u get it from??? |
| 04:31.21 | guillaume | for amd64 |
| 04:31.25 | EdLin | !u |
| 04:31.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:31.25 | stormshadow | adobe |
| 04:31.28 | stan_ley | @test |
| 04:31.29 | ravenbird | No, stan_ley, you're not online any more. |
| 04:31.37 | stan_ley | lol |
| 04:31.44 | stan_ley | @find me |
| 04:31.50 | \amethyst | actually, I guess -Y doesn't do anything different from -X with the default debian configuration |
| 04:32.17 | guillaume | stormshadow: it was in the non free repository I think |
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| 04:32.53 | stormshadow | hmmmm..... |
| 04:32.55 | guillaume | \amethyst: thk u i'll |
| 04:33.07 | \amethyst | guillaume: not in amd64 it's not |
| 04:33.08 | stormshadow | guillaume: I'm using amd64 |
| 04:33.15 | \amethyst | oh, testing |
| 04:33.52 | \amethyst | stormshadow: etch 64-bit can't do it easily, but lenny has nspluginwrapper |
| 04:34.22 | \amethyst | stormshadow: in etch amd64, your best bet would be to run iceweasel out of a 32-bit chroot |
| 04:34.27 | guillaume | package name is flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:34.38 | stormshadow | I've tried every prescription that I could find on the web...... Maybe it's time to upgrade |
| 04:35.05 | guillaume | \amethyst: it's not a good solution as it's not stable under amd64, website often crash |
| 04:35.20 | \amethyst | guillaume: with nspluginwrapper? |
| 04:35.26 | \amethyst | guillaume: or with a 32-bit chroot? |
| 04:35.29 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'me' (6 of 22): (/bin/uname) in utils/coreutils ;; (/bin/dmesg) in utils/util-linux ;; (/boot/memtest86.bin) in misc/memtest86 ;; (/boot/memtest86+.bin) in misc/memtest86+ ;; (/etc/Muttrc.d/smime-paths.rc) in mail/mutt ;; (/bin/{dnsdomainname|hostname}) in admin/hostname. |
| 04:36.01 | guillaume | \nspluginwrapper |
| 04:36.52 | \amethyst | so use 32-bit then |
| 04:37.02 | \amethyst | either a 32-bit install in the first place, or a chroot |
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| 04:37.45 | stormshadow | im running vmware on debian32 had trouble w/64 |
| 04:37.58 | EdLin | @botabuse |
| 04:38.07 | EdLin | heh |
| 04:38.07 | hatter | if i am building a new kernel the debian way, can i use the .config from the stock kernel on a new kernel ? |
| 04:38.14 | \amethyst | It's always the proprietary software that has these problems |
| 04:38.31 | guillaume | it's possible to install lenny package under etch no ? |
| 04:38.40 | EdLin | \amethyst: s/proprietary/binary-only/ |
| 04:38.48 | \amethyst | guillaume: the dependency chain is a bit long |
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| 04:39.26 | \amethyst | guillaume: it depends on ia32-libs-gtk (not in etch either), which needs the testing libc6 |
| 04:39.27 | nooblar100 | egads. nvidia drivers=place head in doorway slam door. |
| 04:39.36 | EdLin | !tell guillaume about simple sid backport |
| 04:39.57 | ameyer | \amethyst: eek |
| 04:40.01 | EdLin | guillaume: substitue lenny for sid in that eqation |
| 04:40.07 | EdLin | equation* |
| 04:40.07 | \amethyst | actually, I'm wrong there |
| 04:40.24 | \amethyst | it's the nsluginwrapper package itself that depends on a 2.6 libc |
| 04:40.53 | \amethyst | and a newer glib than is in etch, too |
| 04:41.31 | \amethyst | hmm... there is a bpo package for nspluginwrapper in etch |
| 04:41.43 | nooblar100 | does anybody have an ati card? at this point I'm willing to throw away my nvidia card and get an ati card, if it will be easier to setup. |
| 04:41.46 | \amethyst | but not ia32-libs-gtk... that one might be feasible to pull in from lenny, though |
| 04:41.59 | nooblar100 | if someone does have an ati card is it easier than nvidia? |
| 04:43.11 | EdLin | nooblar100: no |
| 04:43.14 | guillaume | nooblar100: I have an nvidia with compiz-fusion running perfectly on my laptop : 7950gtx dell xps m1710. What's your problem ? |
| 04:43.29 | EdLin | guillaume: nice laptop |
| 04:43.48 | nooblar100 | the proprietary nvidia drivers will not install. |
| 04:43.51 | guillaume | EdLin: but hard to setup :) |
| 04:43.57 | \amethyst | has anyone been having issues with PDO giving them funny languages? |
| 04:44.04 | \amethyst | well, not funny, just unexpected |
| 04:44.28 | guillaume | nooblar100: yes they will I had the 100.14.19 here but you have to edit dome files |
| 04:44.57 | nooblar100 | xorg.conf? swith nv to nvidia? |
| 04:45.16 | guillaume | nooblar100: are you under etch, lenny , sid ? |
| 04:45.21 | nooblar100 | sid. |
| 04:46.33 | EdLin | nooblar100: got the kernel header files? |
| 04:47.04 | nooblar100 | not this install. I did the last time I attempted to install nvidia drivers. |
| 04:47.15 | nooblar100 | which was a previous installation of debian |
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| 04:47.45 | EdLin | nooblar100: well, you need them if you're using the nvidia script |
| 04:47.59 | nooblar100 | I figured that. |
| 04:48.08 | guillaume | nooblar100: I had some trouble when compiling my nvidia driver, the gcc version was too recent for the lenny kernel, and an option in nvidia file from /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-kvd wasn't support |
| 04:49.05 | guillaume | but I just use Xorg.0.log to solve them |
| 04:50.14 | nooblar100 | well. I'll try again. |
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| 04:50.44 | EdLin | ravenbird: welcome back |
| 04:50.45 | ravenbird | Welcome to #debian, this world of light and dark. |
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| 04:51.19 | nooblar100 | guillaume how did you resolve the kernel/gcc version issue? |
| 04:51.26 | Runlvl | Why the asterisk-classic package is not avaible on the repos? |
| 04:51.43 | guillaume | nooblar100: simple :) I update the gcc symlink |
| 04:51.46 | EdLin | Runlvl: lenny took asterisk out of the repos a few days ago |
| 04:51.53 | Runlvl | EdLin, why??? |
| 04:51.58 | nooblar100 | nice solution. |
| 04:52.07 | guillaume | nooblar100: it will be more nice to use update-alternatives, but I didn't |
| 04:52.25 | EdLin | !why is asterisk-clasic not in lenny? |
| 04:52.26 | dpkg | EdLin: what are you talking about? |
| 04:52.35 | EdLin | sigh |
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| 04:52.48 | Runlvl | EdLin, yes, why is not in lenny :S |
| 04:53.06 | EdLin | Runlvl: look it up in the bts |
| 04:53.09 | EdLin | !bts |
| 04:53.09 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 04:53.45 | Runlvl | I can't understand, why... |
| 04:53.57 | linux3 | hey can someone help me here with oss on a debian unstable installation? |
| 04:54.05 | EdLin | Runlvl: Debian releases are meant to be rock-solid, there's an RC bug in asterisk. |
| 04:54.14 | simonrvn | !why is asterisk-classic not in testing |
| 04:54.14 | dpkg | asterisk-classic is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=asterisk-classic |
| 04:54.17 | linux3 | I cannot seem to get it to work. I have been having trouble with this on several installations on different machines |
| 04:54.34 | EdLin | simonrvn: there ya go |
| 04:54.57 | Runlvl | EdLin,thanks for the help |
| 04:55.10 | guillaume | nooblar100: are you on a laptop ? |
| 04:55.15 | EdLin | Runlvl: np |
| 04:55.38 | nooblar100 | guillaume: no. |
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| 04:56.40 | hatter | anyone here used the latest vm900m mobo ? etch wont detect the sata disks |
| 04:57.15 | hatter | gigabyte mobo that is |
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| 04:58.14 | hatter | with via chipset - 8237 chipset |
| 04:58.54 | dto | hi folks. i'm trying to roll my own .deb package of stumpwm. it compiles, builds the package, and installs the package. the resulting binary "stumpwm" that the stumpwm build process leaves works fine. but the one that dpkg installs in /usr/bin/stumpwm does NOT work, it just gives an SBCL prompt and does nothing. furthermore this file DIFFERS from the one generated at build time... i.e. when i do "diff |
| 04:58.54 | dto | stumpwm-0.0.6/debian/stumpwm/usr/bin/stumpwm stumpwm-0.0.6/stumpwm" the files differ |
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| 05:00.29 | dto | can anyone help me figure out why the file has changed when installed into /usr/bin? |
| 05:02.20 | hatter | how do i find out if the latest kernel would have driver to suit new sata chipset ? |
| 05:02.41 | Supaplex | hatter: check the changelong, or browse the diffs |
| 05:02.48 | Supaplex | changelog* |
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| 05:04.18 | hatter | Supaplex, ok, thx |
| 05:04.28 | zOrK | what is the name of the debian which comes with the latest kernel veriseon? |
| 05:04.29 | Runlvl | I want to help the developrs on the maintance of the packages of Asterisks, how can I start? |
| 05:04.37 | hatter | sata is turning out to be the biggest pita for linux |
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| 05:13.02 | guillaume | zOrK: sid maybe |
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| 05:22.44 | puff | I'm working on a debian box that was set up by an extremely security-conscious sysadmin. He left out /usr/sbin/sendmail, which is used by an application to send email. |
| 05:23.26 | puff | I don't remember having to specifically install that on the box I developed the application on. |
| 05:23.51 | puff | I guess I'm wondering if there's a reason left it out, and/or if there's a more appropriate package to use for it. |
| 05:24.28 | \amethyst | puff: what about /usr/lib/sendmail ? |
| 05:25.16 | \amethyst | oh, no MTA at all |
| 05:26.01 | hatter | if i were to modify a driver .c file what do i do then to recompile it ? |
| 05:27.47 | \amethyst | puff: try aptitude search ~Dprovides:mail-transport-agent |
| 05:28.19 | \amethyst | puff: there are a number of "relay only" MTAs that don't do anything but send mail out |
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| 05:28.44 | \amethyst | ssmtp, nbsmtp, nullmailer, esmtp-run |
| 05:29.02 | \amethyst | those should all provide a /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 05:29.17 | \amethyst | Some of them might listen on port 25, but not all |
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| 05:32.40 | nooblar100 | I got the nvidia driver to run and setup properly, which is great. except the xorg when using the nvidia driver just crashes |
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| 05:33.05 | nooblar100 | the log says fatal server error caught signal 11. |
| 05:33.25 | guillaume | nooblar100: you'll have to edit xorg.conf and add nvidia specific parameters |
| 05:33.38 | nooblar100 | to the nvidia room |
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| 05:36.18 | huslu | are daily iso's broken? |
| 05:37.41 | guillaume | nooblar100: if it can help http://pastebin.com/d28502760 |
| 05:39.45 | huslu | daily isos of testing... |
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| 05:47.16 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 05:48.58 | stormshadow | hey |
| 05:49.01 | jeffrin | when i try to compile a program it says checking for yahoo_init in -lyahoo2... no |
| 05:49.01 | jeffrin | ERROR! libyahoo2 not installed. |
| 05:49.16 | jeffrin | but i think i have installed yahoo stuff |
| 05:49.40 | stormshadow | what kind of prog? |
| 05:50.22 | stormshadow | guillaume: no luck :( |
| 05:50.39 | stormshadow | with flash |
| 05:50.41 | jeffrin | it is a yahoo chat client like |
| 05:50.43 | jeffrin | freehoo |
| 05:51.30 | stormshadow | y not pidgin |
| 05:52.07 | guillaume | stormshadow: what have u done ? |
| 05:52.12 | jeffrin | no iam trying to make debian package for tat software |
| 05:52.27 | stormshadow | ooooooooooh |
| 05:53.36 | stormshadow | guillaume: tried grabbing it from an non free respository |
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| 05:55.58 | huslu | makedev closed #428222 in lenny and now MAKEDEV is not symlinked from /sbin to /dev anymore. is that intended - no makedev symlink in /dev ? |
| 05:56.26 | yigal | has anyone build opensync 0.22 and onward? |
| 05:56.32 | yigal | s/build/built |
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| 05:59.50 | nooblar100 | in my install of debian there is no modules.conf or modprobe.conf. how to I add options that would go in those files? |
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| 06:01.45 | \amethyst | nooblar100: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 06:05.30 | guillaume | stormshadow: what aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree return on your etch ? |
| 06:07.23 | guillaume | stormshadow: you need etch-backports |
| 06:07.55 | yigal | if I want a package for amd64 that has been built for 686 will getting the source of the 686 package and building create a package for amd64 with some success? |
| 06:09.45 | yigal | please if you know tell me, thank you |
| 06:10.36 | guillaume | stormshadow: you can download it here http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 06:12.06 | stormshadow | guillaume: thx im updating |
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| 06:13.22 | guillaume | stormshadow: don't forget an important thing, if you test it under iceweasel open page about:plugins and check that you've got only one plugin for swf otherwise it can fail to run properly :) |
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| 06:21.02 | Shadda | hey, I had gnome crash under a vnc session. How do I reset it? |
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| 06:23.10 | gonzaloaf | hi I want to do a script to be able to consult dpkg from my command line, where is its database of knowledge? |
| 06:24.13 | dto | how do I make a debian/rules file that can run commands after all the files from the package have been installed (or uninstalled?) |
| 06:26.02 | gustavo_ | can anyone answer me a simple question about iptables? what does this means: -p tcp -m tcp ? |
| 06:27.37 | gonzaloaf | gustavo_, iptables can use extended packet matching modules. These are loaded in two ways: implicitly, when -p or --protocol is specified, or with the -m or --match options,........... |
| 06:27.47 | gonzaloaf | gustavo_, man iptables |
| 06:28.06 | gustavo_ | sadly im not on linux right now ;/ |
| 06:28.50 | gonzaloaf | gustavo_, manpages are on the web too |
| 06:29.15 | gustavo_ | ok, thats a simple question... thanks anyway |
| 06:30.31 | Madd_Matt | I'm going to apologize first for being drunk and unable to think. but I just used xkill on the bar thingy on the bottom of kde, and I don't know what its called so I can get it back. |
| 06:30.33 | gonzaloaf | factoids |
| 06:31.45 | stormshadow | go to sleep wake up & work on yur pc.... just kiddin ;) |
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| 06:32.03 | stormshadow | guillaume: still no luck |
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| 06:32.10 | stormshadow | argggh #@! |
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| 06:35.31 | stormshadow | oh well i think im done for 2day |
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| 06:36.21 | guillaume | stormshadow: what can you see in about:plugin ? |
| 06:36.27 | guillaume | +s |
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| 06:39.18 | anom01y | anyone here know much about kde ? |
| 06:41.33 | Tallu | !tell anom01y about ask |
| 06:42.11 | anom01y | !ask |
| 06:42.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:42.47 | anom01y | I have a problem with kde |
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| 06:47.01 | Shadow_7 | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri didn't fix my X issue. |
| 06:47.19 | Shadow_7 | but it was odd that the didn't get caught by apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:49.19 | tomacco | what video card do you have? |
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| 07:06.53 | simonrvn | runev: uh, tried adding a "/*" to that? |
| 07:07.07 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.11 | Sazpaimon | is this even possible? |
| 07:07.22 | simonrvn | sure, you just showed it |
| 07:07.36 | simonrvn | better fix whatever's causing that ;) |
| 07:07.54 | Sazpaimon | it took 20 minutes to get that one line to show up |
| 07:08.04 | simonrvn | top - 03:07:49 up 55 days, 6:55, 11 users, load average: 3.16, 3.25, 2.55 # in the middle of cron.daily ... |
| 07:08.18 | Tallu | Well, only time I've seen that high loads was a DoS attack. The box had to be rebooted very soon after reaching 900 :P |
| 07:08.55 | databuddy | lol |
| 07:09.01 | databuddy | a load of 900?? |
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| 07:09.21 | huslu | hope you find out what process it is and have patience wait for kill command to finish.. |
| 07:09.23 | simonrvn | i once saw a gentoo box having a load avg of 400 (1 min), it was in the middle of building 'world', hehe |
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| 07:09.41 | Sazpaimon | how do you possibly get a load of over 900 anyway |
| 07:09.49 | simonrvn | type in killall whatever ............. wait an hour or 2 |
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| 07:10.10 | schemelab | I use postfix and mailman on Debian/Etch and am getting this error - <asciidoc-discuss-request@lists.metaperl.com>: Relay access denied ... even though aliases looks like this - http://paste.lisp.org/display/49551 and newaliases has been run |
| 07:10.14 | databuddy | oh u can get a load over 9 easy |
| 07:10.29 | simonrvn | i've seen it take 5-10 minutes on a load avg of 80+, so be prepared to wait |
| 07:10.39 | databuddy | one way is to extract several sets of files at the same time |
| 07:10.54 | databuddy | another is to install torrentflux and toss on a couple dozen torrents |
| 07:10.58 | databuddy | plenty of ways |
| 07:11.14 | simonrvn | WRT that gentoo box, there was a screenshot or something of it. rather funny :) |
| 07:11.54 | simonrvn | could probably still find it, if you dig enough |
| 07:12.25 | Sazpaimon | i managed to restart apache |
| 07:12.29 | huslu | btw, does anybody know if makedev symlink is supposed to be gone from /dev in testing/lenny? |
| 07:12.31 | Sazpaimon | nice and fixed |
| 07:12.40 | Sazpaimon | now to tcpdump and see if im getting synflooded |
| 07:12.54 | simonrvn | schemelab: remote is not allowing you to relay |
| 07:13.12 | schemelab | simonrvn: you mean the email account I sent the email from? |
| 07:13.31 | simonrvn | probably thinks you want to replay, but you probably just want to send direct to them, right? |
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| 07:13.48 | simonrvn | the account is not 'remote', remote is the remote mta |
| 07:14.03 | simonrvn | s,replay,relay, |
| 07:14.03 | schemelab | I sent an email from my gmail account to asciidoc-discuss-request@lists.metaperl.com ... metaperl.com is my domain |
| 07:14.41 | simonrvn | ah ok. so you'll have to accept mail from google.com then |
| 07:15.12 | schemelab | is something enabled that would reject such email? by default? I just installed postfix and mailman. |
| 07:15.23 | simonrvn | dunno how you'd do that in postfix, but that's what you need to do |
| 07:15.41 | simonrvn | well, check both, but i suspect it's just postfix |
| 07:16.59 | xushi | hi guys, i need to just advise on this because it always confuses me. Cron: if i want to run a script everyday at 1.30pm but only Sunday - Thursday, would it be as such, 30 13 * * 0/4 ? |
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| 07:18.35 | simonrvn | 0,1,2,3,4 |
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| 07:20.04 | xushi | can i use 0-4 instead ? |
| 07:20.22 | simonrvn | dunno, check man 5 crontab |
| 07:20.39 | simonrvn | i think so, but that's vixie cron |
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| 07:23.57 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:24.26 | streuner | moin? any idea what "moin" means? |
| 07:24.41 | simonrvn | you're german, you should know ;) |
| 07:25.19 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin |
| 07:27.15 | EdLin | @dict moin |
| 07:27.22 | ravenbird | could not find definition for moin |
| 07:27.42 | EdLin | simonrvn: well, your own dictionary doesn't know. ;-) |
| 07:27.49 | simonrvn | @wiki moin |
| 07:28.01 | streuner | there is a definition in wikipedia for .lv, thats makes me think... |
| 07:28.20 | simonrvn | EdLin: do that ^^^ you'll get a snippet from wikipedia |
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| 07:28.57 | EdLin | @wiki moin |
| 07:28.58 | streuner | dimir: are you using "moin" in .lv too? |
| 07:29.14 | EdLin | what's .lv, Latvia? |
| 07:29.31 | simonrvn | @lv |
| 07:29.36 | streuner | yes |
| 07:29.36 | dimir | streuner: of course not. :-) |
| 07:30.15 | EdLin | dimir: you should make internet jargon a human right too, what's the internet without the jargon? |
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| 07:31.35 | dimir | EdLin: hehe. Ye, jargon r0x. |
| 07:31.57 | dimir | But it shouldn't be used too much anyway. |
| 07:32.37 | EdLin | dimir: that depends upon who's jargon of course. ;-) |
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| 07:33.46 | dimir | hey, there is a "moin" in this guys quit message! |
| 07:34.12 | streuner | means rather "my" |
| 07:34.16 | dimir | But this doesn't look like german but like some french or something. |
| 07:34.20 | dimir | Oh. |
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| 07:35.03 | streuner | nah, that means something different, simonrvn could tell you |
| 07:35.06 | xingu | the internet without jargon is like a fish without a bike |
| 07:35.25 | EdLin | xingu: that's right! And who could imagine a fish without a bike... |
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| 07:36.16 | hatter | if i am to modify a .c driver file do i do it in the kernel-source directory or the kernel-headers directory ? |
| 07:36.27 | EdLin | I mean, "Transmission and Control Internet Protocol" just doesn't have the ring that TCP/IP does. |
| 07:36.53 | EdLin | hatter: .c aren't driver files |
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| 07:37.16 | hatter | EdLin, i have to add a line to a driver module |
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| 07:37.29 | EdLin | hatter: .c are C source. |
| 07:38.08 | hatter | right, so shouldnt i have to add a line to the source and recompile it ? |
| 07:38.11 | EdLin | hatter: usually it'd be a file in the headers directory. |
| 07:38.24 | EdLin | hatter: recompiling the kernel shouldn't be neccesary. |
| 07:38.33 | EdLin | hatter: this is assuming its a third-party driver. |
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| 07:39.06 | hatter | EdLin, no its a via driver for sata, which needs a line added to it apparently for it to recognise the via chipset |
| 07:39.21 | EdLin | hatter: part of the kernle or not? |
| 07:39.25 | EdLin | kernel* |
| 07:39.43 | hatter | EdLin, yes |
| 07:39.54 | hatter | an ide driver wouldnt be a module would it ? |
| 07:40.17 | hatter | so I am answering my own question, when i change the source i need to recompile the kernel, right ? |
| 07:40.18 | EdLin | hatter: there's no reason why not. Although you may need an initrd |
| 07:40.26 | EdLin | wait a minute, nm |
| 07:40.44 | EdLin | hatter: you do have to compile something. |
| 07:41.00 | EdLin | hatter: the kernel if you need to modify kernel source, of course. |
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| 07:43.49 | hatter | EdLin, so if you looked at this page, http://kerneltrap.org/node/7060 would you add this line then recompile the kernel ? |
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| 07:45.17 | petterah | mornings all... |
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| 07:46.18 | gonzaloaf | hi, what could be wrong in this line that I execute within a bash script: `mysql -uuser -ppassword dbname -e"SELECT name_value FROM names WHERE name_key like 'george';"` ?? |
| 07:47.09 | petterah | how large should my / (root) partition REALLY be... Ive always just used about 5GB, but on this particular workstation I have 20GB, and I now see that I have filled 7.4 GB... /var, /tmp, /home on its own partition.... Is this a typically normal / size? When I' |
| 07:47.29 | petterah | When Im going to install my laptop, I'll then need about 10GB ? or? |
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| 07:51.39 | xingu | petterah: I've never needed more than a 2GB /; but then again, experience tells me that I need around a 6GB /usr, for my workloads. |
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| 07:51.47 | nooblar100 | it works it works the nvidia drivers work. |
| 07:51.55 | nooblar100 | it was agp. all the time. |
| 07:51.59 | nooblar100 | fricknar |
| 07:52.52 | petterah | xingu, hm, ok, thats seems just about right, I have to admit I have both gnome and kde installed for testing purposes, and I guess both of these environments take up alot of space... but, tell me, are there any real advantages of splitting /usr out of /? |
| 07:52.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | grr. does anyone have issues with Debian/Iceweasel stopping loading pages after its been open for a while with lots of tabs? |
| 07:53.34 | xingu | petterah: well, /usr can be mounted nodev, for one. |
| 07:54.16 | Eulex | Kamping_Kaiser, I've had problems with it sometimes loading pages, but not actually displaying them. I've seen it since I first used ff 2.0. only working solution is to restart it, in my experience. |
| 07:54.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Eulex, cheers, i'll see if Epiphany works any better |
| 07:55.20 | xingu | petterah: also, in most situations, you can reach rcS with only / mounted which has some strategic value |
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| 07:57.23 | petterah | ok xingu I'll have this in mind when partitioning, but... You use this on all of your machines, or just for servers, I'm going to install my laptop... |
| 07:58.01 | xingu | petterah: all |
| 07:59.42 | petterah | xingu, ok, I usually use just /, swap and LVM for /home and the rest :) but, any need for the /boot partition then? |
| 07:59.55 | petterah | for security or is this depricated? |
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| 08:00.38 | xingu | petterah: yes; /boot can be put on removable storage |
| 08:01.11 | petterah | hm ok |
| 08:01.13 | xingu | petterah: again, some strategic value in just being able to ship a replacement usb stick/ mmc card to site and have it swapped for a known-known boot env. |
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| 08:01.52 | petterah | xingu, hehe, I think you are far more advanced than I am haha ;) |
| 08:02.15 | petterah | You never use LVM for servers then maybe? |
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| 08:02.51 | AnyFile | ld (and so gcc too) is not able to fing the zlib library. I have the file /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 and /usr/lib/libz.so.1 but ld is unable to find them. I have already tried to do "apt-get --reinstall install libc6-dev" , but with no change |
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| 08:03.21 | `nstuff | using a raid array on servers is much more common then lvm |
| 08:03.49 | simonrvn | @coffee me |
| 08:04.07 | chronographer | hello folks. I have an issue with cron not running my bittorrent program when i ask it to. I used 1 0 * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/deluge for a long time, well a few weeks and it was fine, now it wont work. Any ideas to diagnose it? |
| 08:04.22 | xingu | petterah: the minimum set I tend to go for is primary=swap, primary=/, logical=(usr,var); if the system is multiuser, typically logical+=/export,/scratch (equally sized); and if it's a lights-out server, I'd allocate space and spindles to wherever the hosted application's data sits |
| 08:04.25 | \amethyst | AnyFile: you need zlib1g-dev |
| 08:04.28 | tomacco | anyfile: did you run ldconfig ? making sure /usr/lib is in /etc/ld.conf ? |
| 08:04.35 | tomacco | ah, yeah, that too |
| 08:04.36 | gustavo_ | coffee? one please |
| 08:04.38 | petterah | `nstuff, but you could use LVM on raid? :) |
| 08:04.39 | \amethyst | AnyFile: in general, you need the devel library to link against it |
| 08:05.07 | xingu | petterah: and no, in general I dislike soft-raid; I put up with metadisk, but lvm doesn't tick any of my boxes yet. |
| 08:05.32 | xingu | petterah: especially now that fc/al host adapters and fc/al<->sata hw units are so *cheap* |
| 08:05.53 | AnyFile | thanks |
| 08:06.14 | petterah | xingu, ok thank your for your layout ;) and metadisk, whats that? I have software raid on my new fileserver, because I'm to cheap to buy a real hardware raid controller hehe |
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| 08:06.54 | xingu | petterah: metadisk/disksuite - solaris soft-raid personalities |
| 08:07.30 | petterah | ah :) ok |
| 08:07.39 | xingu | petterah: again experience tells me that it's a good idea to put *large* volumes inside storage units which are discrete to the systems they service |
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| 08:08.26 | xingu | petterah: ie, beyond your simple dual spindle design for swap,/,/usr,/var you probably want an external disk pack with its own power supplies |
| 08:08.49 | xingu | petterah: because once the node it's attached to fails, the last thing you want to be clowning around with is the storage sliced and diced inside |
| 08:09.17 | petterah | :) |
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| 08:10.14 | xingu | petterah: nb, /export,/scratch sizing comes from needing to snapshot /export/{home,...} for backup... |
| 08:10.14 | petterah | I have one last question... are there any differences on using / partition on primary or logical fdisk partition? |
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| 08:11.14 | tomacco | used to be that it should be on primary to ensure the bootloader could see it, now i dont know if its still necessary, especially with a seperate /boot partition |
| 08:11.15 | petterah | :) I have never used /export, I guess this is a solaris thing? I have tried solaris 10 though, and it was alot more to get into than debian, I think hehe :) |
| 08:11.40 | petterah | tomacco, ok thanks :) thats probably a good point :) |
| 08:11.48 | xingu | petterah: only in so far as there's a limit to the number of primary partitions; some *foreign* OS tools will also get confused with msdos logical partitions |
| 08:12.32 | petterah | yeah whats up with that... only four primary, I think its stupid ;) hehe |
| 08:12.41 | xingu | tomacco: the ia32 bootloaders have always used either 3d or lba offsets to find the kernel image; and the bootloader itself, is in the mbr - so... |
| 08:13.28 | xingu | petterah: foreign bootloaders like the msdos mbr will just boot the first "active" primary partition; so if you're reliant on that, that's a consideration too; I'm never reliant on the msdos bootloader |
| 08:14.20 | xingu | petterah: if you're really interested in where that constraint comes from, go research the layout of the mbr and partition tables :) |
| 08:14.22 | petterah | hehe not me, I'm only useing linux on my computers, not msdos or windows :) |
| 08:14.52 | petterah | yeah, wasn't it something about the first 446 bytes of 512 for MBR and the last 66 for partition table or something? |
| 08:15.01 | xingu | petterah: yes, but can you control whether or not some low branch monkey from the vendor is going to come and bung in a reimaging cdrom during a service call? |
| 08:16.11 | xingu | petterah: anyway, I'm not trying to put a sales pitch together for you, this is just my own bad habits |
| 08:16.21 | petterah | hehe to this point I could control, I'm the only one with access to the computers hehe |
| 08:16.30 | petterah | I see ;) |
| 08:16.33 | xingu | petterah: I will say with a certain smug satisfaction that the systems I've built tend to stay that way, and that the owners of them seem pleased. :) |
| 08:16.51 | petterah | Thats great |
| 08:17.05 | petterah | but you don't set any of the primary partitions as active then? |
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| 08:17.57 | gezim | Hi all. I uninstalled some packages I shouldn't have and need them back. Problem is I don't know ONE name from the packages I installed. Is there a way to check apt history? |
| 08:18.04 | xingu | petterah: it can be difficult to persuade installers to build /boot the way I like it built; so typically I let the installer build /boot, and from that typically the / partition is set and left active |
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| 08:18.27 | xingu | petterah: in that case, if the /boot device is actually absent at poweron, you'll get the at-install-time kernel |
| 08:18.39 | techouse | how could I build my own linux kernel? |
| 08:18.46 | petterah | ok :) |
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| 08:19.15 | petterah | techouse, the debian distro have a tool called make-kpkg i think :) |
| 08:19.26 | vyrus001 | is there a FINISHED guide out there that tells how install deb from a netboot? |
| 08:19.29 | xingu | !tell techouse -about kp mantra |
| 08:20.04 | petterah | kp mantra ? |
| 08:20.38 | gezim | Any ideas, guys? Need apt-get history. |
| 08:21.38 | Supaplex | gezim: /var/backups |
| 08:21.56 | xingu | gezim: /var/log/dpkg.log, possibly. |
| 08:22.09 | Supaplex | gezim: and naturally, you should inspect them, not move those files around. :) |
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| 08:22.44 | techouse | http://www.holtmann.org/linux/kernel/debian.html <-- any good? |
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| 08:33.36 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:34.09 | shadda_ | hey. Is there any way to get anti-aliasing in my terminal? (vanity question) |
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| 08:34.30 | Silvia | hi.... |
| 08:34.34 | chronographer | hi I need help fixing cron to run a job. I tried the command DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/deluge in another terminal thing (ctrl alt F1) and it presents an error. Can someone direct me to print the output to a file so I can show you and you can help me stop it?? It says something like 'Xlib refused connection to 0.0 by server' |
| 08:34.36 | Eulex | yigal, source packages from debian are arch-independent. however, they might only build packages for some arches by default. |
| 08:35.00 | Eulex | shadda_, as in linux text console and not X terminal? not without kernel patches. |
| 08:35.26 | shadda_ | Eulex: nah X terminal. aterm and the default gnome terminal doesn't support anti aliasing it seems |
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| 08:35.50 | chronographer | This command worked the past couple of weeks, but stopped just the other day. |
| 08:35.56 | Eulex | shadda_, gnome-terminal does, if you've enabled anti-alias. |
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| 08:36.39 | Eulex | chronographer, what user are you trying to run that command as? you need to run it as the same user as is logged into X, otherwise you need to do special stuff to make it work. |
| 08:37.06 | yigal | Eulex: ok, that is good to hear, I could only get the source package: tar.gz diff dsc I looked at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html but this doesn't explain what I need to do exactly |
| 08:37.07 | chronographer | i use crontab -e to set it up, i also ran it to test as the same user as Im logged in as |
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| 08:39.08 | Eulex | yigal, libopensync 0.19 is in debian, and debian also builds it for amd64. |
| 08:39.34 | Eulex | yigal, are you saying that you're downloading the source package for that version, and replacing the source within it with the 0.22 source? |
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| 08:40.32 | yigal | Eulex: I have 0.22 source downloaded from http://opensync.gforge.punktart.de/repo/opensync-0.21/pool/main/libo/libopensync/ the unofficial official opensync debian package repos.. Does that makes sense? |
| 08:41.11 | chronographer | i.e. I ran the command I posted above (which is identical to the one in crontab) is a separate terminal thingy, and it didn't work. In a local term it works but cron doesn't work too. |
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| 08:41.57 | Eulex | yigal, oh |
| 08:42.34 | shadda_ | Eulex: can't find that option anywhere :/ |
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| 08:44.21 | Eulex | shadda_, you need to enable anti-aliasing for gtk2. |
| 08:44.38 | waseem57 | hi i've this wierd problem..when i click the Quit button i only get 4 options i.e. logout, lock screen, switch user and hibernate i don't get the options for rebooting and shut down..what is wrong?? |
| 08:44.46 | shadda_ | Eulex: it's antialiased on everything else, including the terminal window (menu, title, etc) |
| 08:44.54 | shadda_ | not the text inside the terminal, though |
| 08:45.16 | Eulex | yigal, sorry, I'm not sure how to solve your problem, I haven't really messed much with building packages nor am I a dd. |
| 08:45.25 | Eulex | shadda_, checked the font settings of it? |
| 08:45.33 | shadda_ | Eulex: I have, no such option |
| 08:45.52 | Eulex | shadda_, what desktop environment or wm are you running? |
| 08:45.57 | shadda_ | Gnome |
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| 08:46.56 | shadda_ | Actually, while I'm asking...variable width fonts are getting mashed together. Is there any way to fix this, or am I stuck with fixed width? |
| 08:47.13 | shadda_ | (eg, in shadda@sage, the s overlaps the @) |
| 08:47.26 | Eulex | shadda_, checked the font settings in debian? |
| 08:47.37 | shadda_ | Eulex: not sure what you mean |
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| 08:47.44 | tomacco | you should be able to specify character spacing, if you changed a font setting or something |
| 08:47.48 | Eulex | shadda_, eh, sorry, font settings in gnome, I mean |
| 08:47.58 | shadda_ | Eulex: yup. They're all setup nicely. |
| 08:48.08 | Eulex | shadda_, are you using a fixed-width font in the terminal: they do not generally support variable width fonts. |
| 08:48.10 | shadda_ | Everything else is antialiased. I'm just trying to get the same for terminal fonts |
| 08:48.25 | shadda_ | Eulex: no, I set terminal to variable width, which is why I'm getting the overlap :) |
| 08:48.42 | tomacco | you really dont want your terminal to be variable width |
| 08:48.43 | Eulex | yigal, I'd recommend the nm guide for learning how to package stuff. |
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| 08:52.33 | Silvia | can i Load balancing for two ips going to the same interface in order to have one ip with more bandwidge? |
| 08:52.47 | yigal | ya, it scared me the first time I looked at it but I have spent many hours on far less productive pursuits I may as well try again :) |
| 08:52.48 | shadda_ | http://mycrap.carbonix.us/Screenshot.png |
| 08:52.53 | shadda_ | That's what I mean |
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| 08:53.06 | `nstuff | silvia nop |
| 08:53.26 | Silvia | `nstuff, sure? |
| 08:53.29 | Silvia | iptables? |
| 08:54.00 | Silvia | i needed to grant one ip with more brandwidge from the other |
| 08:54.27 | Eulex | shadda_, switching font inside the terminal does not work? and choosing a good truetype fixed-width font, like bitstream vera monospace? |
| 08:54.41 | `nstuff | you will still have 2 external ips, it will be 2 threads |
| 08:54.43 | shadda_ | nope, tried it |
| 08:55.44 | Silvia | 2 ips are pointing to the same host |
| 08:56.29 | Silvia | +iam doing prerouting and postrouting |
| 08:56.54 | \amethyst | Silvia: wait, the two IPs are on the same interface? |
| 08:57.16 | Silvia | yes |
| 08:57.29 | \amethyst | then that's not going to improve bandwidth |
| 08:57.36 | `nstuff | nup |
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| 08:58.31 | \amethyst | unless your router is limiting bandwidth per IP or something |
| 08:59.02 | Silvia | my router is a debian machine doing nat |
| 08:59.09 | `nstuff | but u will need 2 interfaces, and loadbalance between them |
| 08:59.25 | \amethyst | 2 interfaces on different networks |
| 08:59.42 | `nstuff | never will improve speed on 1 thread |
| 08:59.51 | Silvia | i have one interface. 2 ips, 2 hosts |
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| 09:00.03 | Silvia | one host one virtual |
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| 09:01.12 | herbi | is it just me |
| 09:01.17 | herbi | or is hal a complete piece of shit! |
| 09:01.22 | herbi | seriously |
| 09:01.36 | herbi | why do all the packages in debian depend on this now? what happened to good old manual mounting |
| 09:01.39 | Eulex | what did it do to you? |
| 09:01.43 | herbi | i cant even watch dvds anymore because of hal |
| 09:01.51 | Eulex | I doubt it. |
| 09:02.25 | herbi | i didnt do anything |
| 09:02.27 | herbi | hal just sucks! |
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| 09:02.41 | Eulex | why do you think that it prevents you from watching dvds? |
| 09:02.47 | dimir | PEBKAC? |
| 09:02.54 | dimir | YBI! |
| 09:03.00 | herbi | well, when there was no hal, it worked fine |
| 09:03.10 | herbi | exact same dvd and dvd drive |
| 09:03.22 | yigal | Eulex: I just read the control file and it is architecture independent :) but at least I know a little more on how to make my own packages. |
| 09:03.26 | liable | heh, wait till you meet mr avahi :) |
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| 09:03.35 | Eulex | herbi, I bet that something more was installed or upgraded. |
| 09:03.51 | herbi | yeah but everything else worksfine |
| 09:04.10 | \amethyst | herbi: do you have gnome-mount? |
| 09:04.24 | herbi | anyway i didnt come here to be patronised, ive been using debian since 1998, all i want to do is disable hal |
| 09:04.31 | herbi | but nothing works without it anymore |
| 09:04.34 | Eulex | herbi, still, I doubt it. |
| 09:05.04 | Eulex | herbi, you're free to disable the hal _daemon_, however, you will lose functionality. |
| 09:05.05 | \amethyst | how does playing DVDs fail? |
| 09:05.06 | herbi | Eulex, well thats your dumb fault, if you google the problem you can see there are hundreds of debian and ubuntu users who are having the same problems |
| 09:05.20 | \amethyst | google what problem? |
| 09:05.24 | herbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.24 | herbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.26 | chronographer | what is the .Xauthority and .Xauthority-c and -l files??? |
| 09:05.36 | herbi | and a lot of |
| 09:05.44 | herbi | hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 09:05.44 | herbi | hdd: command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 } |
| 09:05.44 | Eulex | herbi, calling people who are trying to help you doesn't really encourage them to help you. have a nice day. |
| 09:05.49 | Eulex | +dumb |
| 09:06.23 | Shadda | yea I just can't get it to antialias |
| 09:06.28 | Shadda | and there's /nothing/ on google about it |
| 09:06.34 | Shadda | just freaks who want to disable it :p |
| 09:06.36 | Orion_X11 | I have some packages to upgrade, but they depend on libgtk 2.12.0 and synaptic says that 2.10.13 is going to be installed. So how do I upgrade to libgtk 2.12.0 if it is not shown in synaptic list? Which repos should I put in source.list to get 2.12.0 gtk version? |
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| 09:07.42 | herbi | Eulex, yeah im not so convinced youre intelligent enough to help |
| 09:07.45 | yigal | I am rebuilding a package with -d flag if it builds correctly should I install it? |
| 09:07.56 | yigal | s/correctly// |
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| 09:08.41 | \amethyst | herbi: http://lambdaman.blogspot.com/2006/12/apologies-to-samsung.html |
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| 09:09.34 | herbi | \amethyst, err so please explain how come some dvds work fine then? |
| 09:09.42 | yigal | Ok I installed hopefully it does do something mean to my box :) |
| 09:09.52 | \amethyst | herbi: some commercial video DVDs work? |
| 09:09.54 | yigal | s/does/doesn't |
| 09:10.09 | herbi | \amethyst, i have Oz season 1 box set in front of me |
| 09:10.11 | herbi | disc 2 works fine |
| 09:10.13 | herbi | disc 1 doesnt |
| 09:10.43 | herbi | i know its hal, i had this problem before, and disabled media polling orsomeshit and it fixed it for awhile but now the lines are gone from my preferences.fdi (no idea where they went!) and now itsbroken again |
| 09:10.45 | chronographer | I cant run apps from remote ssh, i think its an xauth problem, how can i set it up ?? |
| 09:11.05 | \amethyst | chronographer: did you do ssh -X ? |
| 09:11.09 | waseem57 | Orion_X11: try sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 09:11.18 | chronographer | no |
| 09:11.23 | chronographer | erm... no |
| 09:11.54 | chronographer | but ssh is actually my smaller issue, crom can't run programs no due to a Xlib: connection to display ":0.0" refused by launcher error |
| 09:12.01 | chronographer | *cron |
| 09:12.17 | chronographer | is this due to xauth? |
| 09:12.21 | \amethyst | what are you trying to run from cron? |
| 09:12.25 | \amethyst | an X program? |
| 09:12.30 | chronographer | /usr/bin/deluge |
| 09:12.33 | chronographer | yep |
| 09:12.42 | chronographer | with DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 09:12.55 | \amethyst | chronographer: as you or as root? |
| 09:13.02 | chronographer | as me |
| 09:13.18 | \amethyst | chronographer: hmm... it does sound like it's not seeing your .Xauthority |
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| 09:14.10 | Orion_X11 | waseem57: I does not work because libgtk is not upgradable in my system I think I am missing any repos in my source.list, but I do not know which one |
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| 09:14.29 | chronographer | I just moved my .Xauthority to xauth-old but that didn't fix it. I realised this happened about the time i changed my ssh settings to allow my to securely connect to this username form my lappy. I couldn't run X apps with the lappy either |
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| 09:14.51 | chronographer | can I do something like 'add mypc:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 05e87b...' |
| 09:15.14 | Orion_X11 | waseem57: I mean, It does not (...) |
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| 09:15.58 | \amethyst | chronographer: in an xterm, what does echo $XAUTHORITY say? |
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| 09:16.01 | herbi | HAL IS A PIECE OF SHIT |
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| 09:16.19 | \amethyst | I'm still not sure why he thought it was hal |
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| 09:19.04 | yigal | can a diff dsc and orig be generated from a deb? |
| 09:19.25 | \amethyst | yigal: a source deb? |
| 09:19.29 | chronographer | if i use that in another session (ctrl alt F1) i get no output.. This is the problem i think |
| 09:19.41 | yigal | \amethyst: I'm assuming this is impossible? |
| 09:19.59 | yigal | \amethyst: yes, sorry to what you said |
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| 09:20.29 | yigal | \amethyst: I am trying to change arch i386 --> amd64 on a few packages |
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| 09:22.12 | \amethyst | yigal: Err, I'm not sure what you want to do |
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| 09:22.35 | \amethyst | yigal: A source package *is* a diff, dsc, and orig |
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| 09:24.05 | yigal | \amethyst: it seems that all I have is a i386 binary, deb, but I want a source to build in my arch amd64 |
| 09:25.02 | \amethyst | then download the source with apt-get source packagename |
| 09:25.16 | \amethyst | or is this a third-party binary? |
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| 09:25.27 | \amethyst | what is the package? |
| 09:25.28 | yigal | \amethyst: if it were so easy I would but in this particular case the source doesn't exist |
| 09:26.08 | \amethyst | If it were that easy there wouldn't be closed-source software :) |
| 09:26.49 | yigal | \amethyst: :) true that |
| 09:27.17 | techouse | what's the shortcut to launch the run command? alt+F2 doesn't work :( |
| 09:28.02 | yigal | techouse: that is the run command in GNOME at least |
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| 09:28.31 | techouse | and in kde |
| 09:28.37 | techouse | in kubuntu |
| 09:28.47 | techouse | but in kde+deb it doesn't work |
| 09:28.48 | techouse | :( |
| 09:28.54 | yigal | techouse: I believe the same, I'm not sure as I oscillate between GNOME and DWM |
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| 09:29.34 | techouse | maybe it doen't work cause i chose kde to behave like windows explorer |
| 09:29.46 | Shadda | So, anyone have an idea? http://mycrap.carbonix.us/Screenshot.png trying to get anti-aliasing on the gnome-terminal |
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| 09:30.22 | dto | how do i match ALL files in a directory ( "*" misses the dotfiles) |
| 09:30.37 | yigal | dto: ls -l |
| 09:30.43 | \amethyst | Shadda: what font is it using? |
| 09:30.45 | yigal | dto: * .* |
| 09:30.51 | dto | ah |
| 09:30.52 | dto | thanks |
| 09:31.02 | yigal | dto: be care as that will get . and .. |
| 09:31.14 | Shadda | \amethyst Bitstream Vera Monospace atm. I've tried all sorts of fonts |
| 09:31.47 | dto | yigal: how do i prevent that |
| 09:32.07 | hatter | is there any reason kernel 2.6.23 will not run on sarge ? |
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| 09:32.14 | yigal | dto: I am not sure :( but usually it doesn't matter :) |
| 09:33.19 | simonrvn | hatter: yes |
| 09:33.44 | hatter | simonrvn, thx |
| 09:34.00 | hatter | how about etch ? |
| 09:34.23 | hatter | right |
| 09:34.30 | simonrvn | that'll work |
| 09:34.35 | hatter | thx |
| 09:34.46 | simonrvn | in fact, it's recommended to use 2.6 |
| 09:35.27 | hatter | i am suffering again with a via sata chipset that etch doesnt detect |
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| 09:35.33 | simonrvn | .18 is etch's kernel version. anything later than that is ok. but you gotta already be running a 2.6 |
| 09:35.47 | hatter | cool, already running 2.6 |
| 09:35.53 | simonrvn | otherwise it gets, um, interesting |
| 09:36.02 | hatter | *** not interesting *** |
| 09:36.09 | hatter | *** Pain *** |
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| 09:36.32 | simonrvn | interesting in a masochistic way :P |
| 09:36.37 | simonrvn | not |
| 09:36.40 | hatter | right ;) |
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| 09:37.49 | petterah | herbi hal9000? |
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| 09:40.13 | hatter | i am enjoying these dual core chips, compile in one term and the other runs great :) |
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| 09:41.32 | petterah | what are you ppl using to get fresh software for your debian server/box ? backports, or source tarballs? |
| 09:41.52 | robboplus | hm how normal is it to see an IP from some DSL in my arp -n list? with SAME mac address |
| 09:41.55 | hatter | petterah, backports makes life easier |
| 09:41.56 | simonrvn | backports, locally built packages |
| 09:42.14 | ManuP | a question to gimp: i have a text-layer, from which i want a copy to be mirrored horizontal. this copy should get a different color. how do i make a makro of that? |
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| 09:42.24 | simonrvn | some stuff is a moving target, kinda have to |
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| 09:43.11 | petterah | simonrvn, any nice utils to build local packages, or howto? |
| 09:43.17 | petterah | updated howto that is ;) |
| 09:43.21 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 09:43.21 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 09:43.37 | Arafangion | ManuP: Erm... render the text, flip it, and color-rotate it? |
| 09:43.38 | chronographer | so any ideas onhow to fix this error? Xlib: connection to display ":0.0" refused by launcher which happens when I try to run this comand DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/deluge in a new (ctrl alt F1) terminal, and presumably when cron runs it too. |
| 09:43.55 | gengis | hi, need to use openldap-2.3.38, i run apt-get ldap-utils. i also need to use python-ldap (build, install) but in python-ldap setup.cfg ask me for open-ldap dir, i look everywhere in my debian 40r1 but cannot find that dir????? |
| 09:44.00 | gengis | any idea? |
| 09:44.06 | ManuP | Arafangion, but i want to automat it. |
| 09:44.09 | Arafangion | chronographer: Well, is x11 actually running on that? ;) |
| 09:44.13 | Arafangion | ManuP: Write a script. |
| 09:44.26 | chronographer | well. i guess so since its the came machine im on now... |
| 09:44.31 | ManuP | Arafangion, so my question is: how do i write a script? |
| 09:44.41 | gengis | sorry open-ldap include |
| 09:44.45 | chronographer | *same If i use that command in a terminal now it works |
| 09:44.46 | gengis | sorry open-ldap include dir |
| 09:44.48 | Arafangion | ManuP: Not a debian question. :) |
| 09:44.53 | simonrvn | gengis: you need the -dev... i.e., build it first. use the packages as a guide, and enable the libldap*-dev package build in debian/rules |
| 09:44.53 | Shadda | sigh, new question.....how do I kill gnome when the bastard tries to start automatically on boot? If I ctrl+alt+backspace the fucker just loads again |
| 09:45.05 | chronographer | just wont work in a separate thingy |
| 09:45.17 | ManuP | Arafangion, but in channel #gimp i get no question. only 40 people online |
| 09:45.24 | Arafangion | Shadda: update-db gdm stop |
| 09:45.28 | petterah | thank you simonrvn :) |
| 09:45.31 | Arafangion | Shadda: update-rc, rather. |
| 09:45.32 | simonrvn | Shadda: that's gdm. stop gdm. /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:45.47 | ManuP | Arafangion, is there an other channel i could ask? |
| 09:45.56 | Shadda | Arafangion I can't :p The problem being, gnome is crashing as soon as I login, and its interface isn't setup when it boots atm |
| 09:46.00 | Shadda | so I can't shell in |
| 09:46.13 | Arafangion | ManuP: 40 people isn't too bad, just wait a while. |
| 09:46.22 | Arafangion | Shadda: So, use the console. |
| 09:46.31 | gengis | simonrv: thank you, but could you give me more details about doing this (not debian export)? can i use apt-get install to do so or i need to download openldap and install from source |
| 09:46.38 | simonrvn | Shadda: ctrl-alt-f1, login, then do what's wanted |
| 09:46.51 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 09:46.52 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 09:46.52 | Shadda | ah there we go |
| 09:47.01 | simonrvn | gengis: ^^^ |
| 09:47.16 | Arafangion | Haha, you guys see how RMS was attacked by ninjas? |
| 09:47.20 | Arafangion | (On slashdot) |
| 09:48.01 | Arafangion | Well, _that_ speech was written up in a .doc file format - adding insult to injury? |
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| 09:50.01 | Lukemob | hey, is here anyone, who know something about ISPConfig? |
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| 09:51.44 | gengis | simonrvn:? |
| 09:51.50 | ManuP | is there an other channel for gimp questions? |
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| 09:53.55 | gengis | what is the -dev? |
| 09:54.11 | Shadda | Should I not have an XftConfig file in /etc/X11/ ? |
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| 09:58.27 | Supaplex | !caffinate me |
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| 09:58.54 | Supaplex | Lukemob: I've heard of it, but then I use freeside |
| 09:59.27 | Lukemob | Supaplex, don't u know how to get the domain workin' on my server? which kind of an "Type" do I need to forward? |
| 09:59.33 | hatter | anyone here know this : +#define PCI_DEVICE_ID_VIA_8237A 0x3337 ---- should this last location be a pci location ? |
| 09:59.35 | Lukemob | I've A-type and ns |
| 09:59.39 | Lukemob | it doesn't work |
| 09:59.40 | Supaplex | !tell Lukemob -about u |
| 09:59.45 | Supaplex | !tell Lukemob -about don't work |
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| 10:00.04 | Supaplex | Lukemob: so, you have dns questions? |
| 10:00.20 | Supaplex | I've not used ispconfig |
| 10:00.34 | Lukemob | Snake-eyes: DNS questions... |
| 10:00.37 | hatter | i am trying ipsconfig in the next day or two |
| 10:00.43 | Supaplex | freeside is a big enough beast as it is :) |
| 10:00.45 | Lukemob | Sry.... |
| 10:00.45 | hatter | there is a free vm with it |
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| 10:00.52 | Lukemob | vm? |
| 10:00.58 | hatter | oops, a free virtual machime available |
| 10:01.02 | hatter | for vmware |
| 10:01.06 | Supaplex | how free? |
| 10:01.12 | hatter | makes trying and using it easy |
| 10:01.20 | hatter | freely downloadable |
| 10:01.22 | Supaplex | freeside has one to |
| 10:01.22 | hatter | all gpl |
| 10:01.28 | Supaplex | ditto |
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| 10:01.35 | Lukemob | Supaplex, I bind nameservers "ns1.domain.org" and "ns2.domain.org"... but when I ping it it doesn't reply. |
| 10:01.36 | hatter | what is freeside ? like ispconfig ? |
| 10:01.53 | Supaplex | but as virtual-machines go, those toys are not suggested for production use |
| 10:01.55 | dto | how do I find out which packages a given package depends on? |
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| 10:02.08 | hatter | Supaplex, dont see why not |
| 10:02.11 | Supaplex | Lukemob: http://www.sisd.com/freeside |
| 10:02.19 | hatter | if its built on a normal distro |
| 10:02.31 | hatter | i have been running xp vm's on linux for customers for years |
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| 10:02.39 | Supaplex | hatter: no contest, thanks. |
| 10:02.46 | nikolavp | hmm how can i change from one compiler to another ? |
| 10:02.46 | liable | dto: apt-cache show |
| 10:03.05 | nikolavp | i am used to gentoo and there i had gcc-config |
| 10:03.08 | nikolavp | though i cannot find it here |
| 10:03.10 | Lukemob | Supaplex, does have freeside anything to do with DNS? |
| 10:03.28 | liable | nikolavp: export CC=<gcc-version> |
| 10:03.36 | Supaplex | Lukemob: I'm apparently the only active commiter on dns related patches, so yes. |
| 10:03.37 | n00bular | I need to install xgl for compiz? |
| 10:03.46 | nikolavp | ok i will try that way :) |
| 10:03.49 | dalias | you don't need to export it, just prefix the command line.. |
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| 10:05.07 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 10:05.22 | Supaplex | Lukemob: actually, that was a misdirect |
| 10:05.29 | Supaplex | hatter: http://www.sisd.com/freeside |
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| 10:07.09 | Lukemob | Supaplex, well, ok... I just need to know how do I get the domain working on my server |
| 10:07.14 | Lukemob | how do I forward it |
| 10:07.23 | Lukemob | to get ns binded |
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| 10:08.01 | Supaplex | Lukemob: www.dnsstuff.com has some good troubleshooting utils. is the registrar using your systems as the dns? |
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| 10:09.27 | Lukemob | I've root access on Debian dedicated server... I also bought a domain, and now I want to make a nameservers for my server from that domain |
| 10:09.31 | Lukemob | and... nope |
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| 10:13.04 | MikeSeth | someone tell me, htf do I upgrade unstable 2.4.18 & libc6 2.3 to 2.6.x and libc6 2.6? |
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| 10:13.41 | MikeSeth | it asks me to add etch sources, would that break sid? |
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| 10:14.09 | jelly-home | MikeSeth: that unstable sounds like sarge, or even earlier setup. Upgrading to etch first would be a good idea |
| 10:14.18 | chronographer | anyone know how to fix xauth |
| 10:14.38 | jelly-home | !tell MikeSeth about sarge->etch |
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| 10:15.11 | MikeSeth | brilliant, thank you, I hope I won't hose the bo |
| 10:15.33 | hatter | anyone here got an idea what this means ? error: `PCI_DEVICE_ID_VIA_8237A' undeclared here (not in a function) ? |
| 10:15.49 | jelly-home | MikeSeth: I'd follow that, and only when you're on etch think about upgrading to current unstable. Hopefully you're not using unstable on a production machine. |
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| 10:15.58 | posson | when i print a web page, the fontsize is bigger than what is on the screen and it could not fit into the paper. how to set print fontsize? under kde, i have tried to change the Printout Mode to no effect. |
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| 10:18.19 | hatter | what do you guys do when you find a sata chipset unrecognised by etch ? |
| 10:18.20 | posson | heh? |
| 10:18.24 | lukas | Hi, I need is there anyone who uses ntfs on virtual or any image? |
| 10:18.50 | chronographer | you want to mount ntfs? |
| 10:18.51 | hatter | f***ing via grrrr |
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| 10:18.57 | lukas | I tried to do mkfs.ntfs mydisc.iso and it seems that only block devices are supported |
| 10:19.10 | liable | hatter: you use a newer kernel |
| 10:19.23 | liable | hatter: or if it has options, use compatability mode in the bios |
| 10:19.30 | posson | am I online? |
| 10:19.31 | chronographer | I only use gparted for partitions or ntfs-3g for mounting |
| 10:19.38 | liable | posson: no |
| 10:19.42 | chronographer | no posson we are bots |
| 10:19.43 | hatter | it doesnt have compatibilty mode :( |
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| 10:19.47 | posson | liable, lol. |
| 10:19.59 | posson | chronographer, lol. |
| 10:20.05 | lukas | chronographer: my problem is that I need to make file (image) |
| 10:20.07 | Lukemob | hatter, do u know anything about DNS? |
| 10:20.13 | hatter | posson, check the back of your neck :) |
| 10:20.19 | chronographer | a disk image? like a cd? |
| 10:20.19 | hatter | Lukemob, yes |
| 10:20.23 | lukas | chronographer: oh, sorry, I am fool |
| 10:20.24 | posson | hatter, for what? |
| 10:20.27 | MikeSeth | jelly-home: I am. I am crazy like that. |
| 10:20.35 | hatter | to see if you're online |
| 10:20.43 | chronographer | lol hatter! |
| 10:20.49 | posson | any help on my printing problem? |
| 10:21.04 | Lukemob | hatter, how do I forward my domain to get my NS working? What type of record? MX, A, or anything else? |
| 10:21.10 | chronographer | think 'print' posson, the matrix is with you |
| 10:21.13 | hatter | liable, do you remember what the highest kernel that sarge can use is ? |
| 10:21.28 | liable | hatter: 2.6.8 |
| 10:21.31 | posson | chronographer, are we on a movie set? |
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| 10:21.44 | hatter | liable, right, thx |
| 10:21.48 | jelly-home | MikeSeth: then upgrade to etch and stay there. :-) |
| 10:21.56 | liable | hatter: thats what it came out with, you could install up to 12 i think (if you use udev) |
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| 10:22.17 | hatter | liable, yeah, it wont help, the etch kernel doesnt recognise it |
| 10:22.30 | liable | !kmuto |
| 10:22.30 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 10:22.43 | hatter | which means the etch installer dont get very far... |
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| 10:22.55 | posson | what is the latest release of debian? |
| 10:22.56 | techouse | sudo apt-get moo FTW! :) |
| 10:23.07 | hatter | Lukemob, what do you mean forward your domain ? |
| 10:23.09 | jelly-home | techouse: no need to sudo |
| 10:23.12 | blinx | posson: etch 4.0r1 |
| 10:23.24 | techouse | oh :) |
| 10:23.25 | techouse | yerah |
| 10:23.26 | hatter | Lukemob, where is your domain hosted ? |
| 10:23.29 | techouse | yeah...true |
| 10:23.39 | Lukemob | hatter, I thought I need get the domain communicate with server anyhow |
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| 10:23.51 | techouse | old habit of sudo + apt-get :) |
| 10:23.53 | Lukemob | hatter, conceptt.com |
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| 10:24.09 | posson | blinx, is etch = lenny? |
| 10:24.10 | hatter | Lukemob, registrar points to nameservers --> nameservers point to hosts |
| 10:24.14 | dalias | no |
| 10:24.17 | dalias | etch is stable |
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| 10:24.20 | dalias | lenny is testing |
| 10:24.25 | dalias | sarge is oldstable |
| 10:24.31 | posson | dalias, i thougt sarge is stable. |
| 10:24.37 | dalias | sarge is outdated |
| 10:24.39 | posson | and etch is testing. |
| 10:24.43 | hatter | liable, ah cool will check that out |
| 10:24.58 | dalias | posson, that was before |
| 10:25.06 | Lukemob | registrar points to nameservers I created? |
| 10:25.09 | dalias | now etch is finished/released as stable |
| 10:25.10 | jelly-home | posson: sarge is oldstable now, etch has been released earlier this year |
| 10:25.15 | chronographer | Can anyone at all help me fix this: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-bus session: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server It is due, i think to xauthority being set incorrectly but I don't know how to fix it, can't find a similar prob with solution on google so what should I do?? |
| 10:25.41 | posson | so, someday, lenny will be stable? is that how it works? |
| 10:25.49 | jelly-home | posson: yes. |
| 10:25.53 | Lukemob | hatter, so, do I need to create anything in the domain settings? |
| 10:25.57 | hatter | liable, wow cool, have you used these iso.s ? are they the standarn D-I with a new kernel ? |
| 10:25.58 | posson | k, bye. |
| 10:26.03 | jelly-home | posson: /msg dpkg releases |
| 10:26.58 | liable | hatter: not personally, but yes, they are standard etch with newer kernel |
| 10:26.59 | chronographer | come on ppl, is there a dpkg-reconfigure xauthority? |
| 10:27.00 | hatter | Lukemob, yes, you setup up the nameservers ns1.lukemob.com and ip address at the registrar then use you nameservers to point to your hosts |
| 10:27.42 | hatter | liable, cool thx. hehe, slow host... 10kbps... joy :) |
| 10:28.14 | liable | heh |
| 10:29.22 | yigal | chronographer: I'm sorry I know almost nothing about Dbus, if I could help I would |
| 10:29.47 | hatter | chronographer, usually if someone knows they will help, ask again in a few hours |
| 10:29.56 | chronographer | ok thanks anyway |
| 10:30.18 | yigal | chronographer: usually by then you can figure out what is going wrong :) |
| 10:30.50 | chronographer | yeah i have been trying to figure it out all day (on adn of) |
| 10:31.48 | yigal | chronographer: I know how that feels sometimes I will work on a problem, forget the on and off part, for a day or two it can get extremely frustrating |
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| 10:32.09 | jelly-home | chronographer: do X apps work at all? (something simple like xdpyinfo or xeyes) |
| 10:33.03 | chronographer | yeah they work, just not from a separate x session (ctrl alt F1) session |
| 10:33.40 | Lukemob | hatter, so, I work only with NS record all the time, right? |
| 10:33.49 | jelly-home | chronographer: I meant in that same session that dbus-lauch fails. |
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| 10:34.49 | chronographer | so i had cron running my torrent prog running at midnight and stop at midday, now it doesn't go.. Traced it back to my setting sshd up to login in from my lappy.. If i use (ctrl alt f1) and type DISPLAY=:0.0 /ust/bin/deluge it gives the above error |
| 10:34.52 | Nazcafan | I am getting trouble tring to apt-get install libxul-dev |
| 10:35.10 | Nazcafan | I says I have a conflict version for libnss3-dev |
| 10:35.29 | Nazcafan | I think I need to add the security repository on my lenny |
| 10:35.38 | Nazcafan | what is the syntax for that ? |
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| 10:36.57 | liable | !security |
| 10:36.57 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
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| 10:37.02 | chronographer | gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:37.52 | hatter | Lukemob, not sure what you mean. |
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| 10:38.14 | hatter | Lukemob, what is your problem exactly ? |
| 10:38.44 | Lukemob | hatter, I create ns items on the domain provider for lukemob.com - ns1.lukemob.com |
| 10:38.57 | Lukemob | then I see ns1.lukemob.com in all the domain records |
| 10:39.02 | MikeSeth | jelly-home: thanks, worked like a charm |
| 10:39.04 | Nazcafan | !testing security |
| 10:39.04 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
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| 10:39.22 | Lukemob | now, I create ns servers on my server, called ns1.lukemob.com |
| 10:39.47 | yigal | yay after 5 hours I made a successfull build of amd64 opensync and barry now I get to reboot and see if I can sync Evo. with my blackberry - the joys of desktop Deban :) |
| 10:39.48 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: dnsreport.com |
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| 10:40.05 | MikeSeth | yigal: you can sync blackberries with third party apps? |
| 10:40.14 | MikeSeth | I have friends in j'lem who'd be happy to hear that |
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| 10:42.46 | techouse | where do i get the X11 extension XShape? |
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| 10:43.26 | hatter | Lukemob, you should ask the channel and not private message, i could disappear anytime and others can help |
| 10:44.04 | hatter | have you tested your nameservers at dnsreport.com as MikeSeth suggested ? |
| 10:44.09 | Lukemob | yes |
| 10:44.21 | Lukemob | No NS A records at nameservers |
| 10:44.32 | Lukemob | Missing (stealth) nameservers |
| 10:44.42 | Lukemob | Nameservers on separate class C's |
| 10:44.50 | Lukemob | Single Point of Failure |
| 10:44.54 | xand | !paste |
| 10:44.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 10:50.19 | lukas | Sorry, again it seems that making file (dd if=/dev/zero of=ntfs.iso bs=1024 count=1024000) and trying to mkfs.ntfs ntfs.iso is not ssuppoetrd while makefs.[vfat | ext2 | ext3 | reiserfs ]is ok. Dose anyone know if this is intentional? |
| 10:50.24 | lukas | Or what is wrong |
| 10:53.05 | techouse | could someone help me with this? http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=4324 |
| 10:53.17 | techouse | i'm trying to compile mplayer |
| 10:53.33 | techouse | but it says i haven't got XShape |
| 10:53.50 | dto | hi folks. i'm trying to build a .deb of openmotif. but late in the build it dies: i486-linux-gnu-gcc -Wall -g -O2 -Wall -g -fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unused -Wno-comment -fno-tree-ter -I/usr/include/freetype2 -Wl,-z -Wl,defs -o wmluiltok wmluiltok.o -lXft -lfontconfig /usr/lib/libjpeg.so -lpng |
| 10:53.50 | dto | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 10:53.50 | dto | ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' |
| 10:54.15 | jelly-home | techouse: something wrong with mplayer from debian-multimedia? |
| 10:54.23 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: your DNS server doesn't resolve your ns* records |
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| 10:54.29 | techouse | yeah...it doesn't play large files |
| 10:54.37 | hatter | Lukemob, pinging lukemob.com returns 84.18.00.103 while pinging ns.lukemob doesnt return anything |
| 10:54.41 | dalias | techouse, really? |
| 10:54.44 | Lukemob | yea |
| 10:54.46 | dalias | what kinda idiot built it that way?? |
| 10:54.46 | Lukemob | the ns are |
| 10:54.50 | Lukemob | ns1.gamesdesign.org |
| 10:54.52 | hatter | which mean you dont have ns hosts in your nameserver |
| 10:54.53 | Lukemob | ns2.gamesdesign.org |
| 10:54.55 | MikeSeth | lukas: you need the nfts kernel module and appropriate mkfs binary |
| 10:55.03 | dalias | you have to go way out of your way to build an mplayer lacking large file support |
| 10:55.04 | techouse | i tried a 4 gb file and no success |
| 10:55.07 | yigal | techouse: this isn't fare but I will ask anyways, why do you want to rebuild mplayer? |
| 10:55.41 | jelly-home | yigal: good thing you left after asking a question. |
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| 10:55.48 | dalias | ... |
| 10:55.52 | techouse | cause of these options --codecsdir=/usr/local/lib/codecs/ --enable-gui --enable-largefiles --enable-theora |
| 10:55.55 | Lukemob | hatter, just it doesn't reply while pinging |
| 10:56.32 | hatter | lukemob, but your primary and secondary are ns1.lukemob.com and ns2.lu.. so they have to work |
| 10:56.41 | hatter | Lukemobb. no. they don't resolve. |
| 10:56.54 | lukas | MikeSeth: I have ntfs3g, driver is loaded, the problem seems to be in creating filesystem in file |
| 10:57.00 | lukas | MikeSeth: could you try? |
| 10:57.09 | xand | techouse: cat file | mplayer - |
| 10:57.09 | jelly-home | techouse: well, you can put either d-m or debian deb-src lines in sources.list, then do apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 10:57.11 | xand | c.c |
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| 10:57.36 | Lukemob | hatter, there's no lukemob.com... that domain is used for somehting other... I need to get working ns1.gamesdesign.org and ns2.gamesdesign.org |
| 10:57.37 | jelly-home | xand: try seeking from the pipe |
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| 10:57.59 | xand | jelly-home: works fine |
| 10:58.21 | xand | well... in one direction :P |
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| 10:58.57 | nethenson | hello |
| 10:59.01 | techouse | @jelly-home: deb-src which url? |
| 10:59.03 | MikeSeth | lukas: hmm let me look |
| 10:59.37 | jelly-home | techouse: the same line as d-m, just s/deb/deb-src/ |
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| 11:00.09 | hatter | Lukemob, well they resolve. what is it you want ? |
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| 11:00.34 | MikeSeth | lukas: you want apt-get install ntfsprogs |
| 11:00.39 | Lukemob | do I need to open any port on Firewall? |
| 11:00.40 | Lukemob | for it? |
| 11:01.05 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: give me the domain again, I'll look and tell you what to fix |
| 11:01.27 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, gamesdesign.org |
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| 11:02.11 | hatter | Lukemob, port 53 for dns. |
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| 11:02.41 | hatter | Lukemob, tcp and udp |
| 11:03.53 | Lukemob | ok |
| 11:04.00 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: you need to go to your registrar and update the IPs for your nameservers |
| 11:04.12 | nethenson | i am having problems with atd (debian etch version), i get "Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied" , i have been trying to fix the permsisions, but had no success.... ( http://rafb.net/p/OLiBeR51.html ) |
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| 11:04.25 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: currently the parent servers do not resolve your nameservers |
| 11:04.37 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, could you navigate me? |
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| 11:04.41 | MikeSeth | nethenson: I think you need to add the user to a group |
| 11:05.05 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: go to your registrar, and make sure you've added ns.my-ct.de and ns2.my-ct.de and their IPs |
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| 11:06.12 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: you should also add ns1/ns2.gamesdesign.org with their IPs. |
| 11:06.19 | nethenson | mmm... :S id daemon tells me uid=1(daemon) gid=1(daemon) groups=1(daemon) ... , MikeSeth |
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| 11:06.40 | lukas | MikeSeth: I want you to do apt-get install ntfsprgs |
| 11:06.55 | MikeSeth | E: Couldn't find package ntfsprgs |
| 11:07.05 | lukas | MikeSeth: I want you to do apt-get install ntfsprogs, sorry |
| 11:07.16 | MikeSeth | lukas: it's installed here |
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| 11:07.49 | MikeSeth | root@deathwish:~# dpkg -S `which mkfs.ntfs` |
| 11:07.49 | MikeSeth | ntfsprogs: /sbin/mkfs.ntfs |
| 11:08.17 | lukas | Ok, then dd if=/dev/zero of=ntfs_trial.iso bs=1024 count=20480 |
| 11:08.23 | lukas | for 20MB file |
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| 11:09.04 | lukas | or greater |
| 11:09.31 | MikeSeth | 20971520 bytes (21 MB) copied, 0.133398 seconds, 157 MB/s |
| 11:09.47 | lukas | ok, then mkfs.ntfs ntfs_trial.iso |
| 11:10.04 | MikeSeth | ntfs_trial.iso is not a block device. |
| 11:10.04 | MikeSeth | Refusing to make a filesystem here! |
| 11:10.13 | lukas | MikeSeth: nice, same result as for me |
| 11:10.14 | techouse | jelly-home: can i set options when compiling apt-get build-dep mplayer ? |
| 11:10.19 | MikeSeth | aren't you supposed to use a loop device for that? |
| 11:10.34 | techouse | jelly-home: like with ./configure |
| 11:10.37 | techouse | ? |
| 11:10.41 | lukas | MikeSeth: well, yes for mounting, but for mkfs? |
| 11:10.46 | Lukemob | (13:06:11) (MikeSeth) Lukemob: you should also add ns1/ns2.gamesdesign.org with their IPs. --- with the IPs of my servers? |
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| 11:11.26 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: yes. Or remove ns*.gamesdesign.org from your DNS servers. There should be no discrepancy between NS/A records for the nameservers neither at parents nor in your servers |
| 11:11.46 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: makes sense, the IO calls mkfs uses expect a block device (which a file isn't) |
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| 11:12.36 | Lukemob | u mean, there can't be ns1... as an A record? |
| 11:13.07 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: n, I mean NS/A records for the nameservers should be the same in the root servers, your parent servers and your DNS servers. In your case at least. |
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| 11:13.33 | Lukemob | so, the same NS/A record at the registrar, and also in my server? |
| 11:13.45 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: for ns*, absolutely |
| 11:14.10 | techouse | @jelly-home: ok....got it |
| 11:14.18 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: in the registrar, however, you don't usually have a direct control over NS/A records, instead you define nameservers and the registrar produces the records automagically |
| 11:14.23 | mxey | Is there a way to remap keys in console-setup/ckbcomp without fiddling around in the xkb-data? |
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| 11:16.03 | crm | what sort of laptop should i get? |
| 11:16.24 | crm | im pretty sure im going to go for a dell.. but wondering which model.. |
| 11:16.39 | crm | something reasonably good for graphics |
| 11:16.39 | mxey | crm: Thinkpad Thinkpad Thinkpad? |
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| 11:16.45 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, in my server settings of NS, should I use an IP of the registrar? |
| 11:16.46 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 11:16.46 | MikeSeth | crm: dunno, I got a thinkpad z60m, it kinda works |
| 11:16.55 | mxey | Is there something else you can recommend with a sane mind? |
| 11:16.55 | crm | damn.. that's not the first time ive heard that today mxey |
| 11:16.59 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: no, a NS record always resolves to a name, |
| 11:17.07 | DustyDingo | crm: graphics? |
| 11:17.17 | crm | DustyDingo, games |
| 11:17.17 | mxey | Well, I heard the Lenovo ThinkPad (FOO 60) are not that good... they added Windows keys, ugly. |
| 11:17.26 | mxey | And Z has widescreen... |
| 11:17.27 | DustyDingo | oh, well, no laptop at all? |
| 11:17.41 | MikeSeth | mxey: just another key to map for emacs ;) |
| 11:17.43 | crm | well... i guess i could compromise |
| 11:17.52 | crm | but i do prefer lappys |
| 11:17.57 | mxey | MikeSeth: Well, if remapping would work with console-setup ;) |
| 11:18.10 | DustyDingo | MikeSeth: ok, there are widescreen version, which you don't have to buy and the windows key is a good thing |
| 11:18.11 | crm | lemme review the thinkpads |
| 11:18.15 | Ace2016 | so if i use dd to copy my root partition to a file, then split and transport it via dvds and then put the file back together on another computer, does the parition that the file will be dded into have to be the same size as it is on this sytem? |
| 11:18.17 | mxey | MikeSeth: I just want Esc somewhere nicer for my lovely Vim ;) |
| 11:18.35 | DustyDingo | especially on 14-15' versions, where you have enough space |
| 11:18.40 | mxey | Ace2016: You should use the resizing tools on it |
| 11:18.45 | MikeSeth | DustyDingo: I have the widescreen one |
| 11:18.50 | mxey | Ace2016: After you are on the now partition. |
| 11:18.59 | MikeSeth | the radeon x300 sucks ass, it's terrible for games |
| 11:19.00 | mxey | Ace2016: resize2fs, for example. |
| 11:19.06 | MikeSeth | BF2 on a z60m is total suck |
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| 11:19.16 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, I'm very confused... could u do it for me to see if I give you infos? please? |
| 11:19.21 | mxey | MikeSeth: I guess it'd work with real games like NetHack and MUDs ;) |
| 11:19.28 | Buffer | is someone able to use the amavisd with debian etch? |
| 11:19.31 | DustyDingo | MikeSeth: of course a metta key without windows logo would be better, but the key is essential for window managers |
| 11:19.34 | Buffer | I get an error regarding the configs |
| 11:19.37 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: absolutely not, you should never give out your passwords to people you don't know |
| 11:19.56 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: log on to your registrar, find where the DNS servers are defined, define them and make sure your domain is pointed at them |
| 11:20.20 | Lukemob | I trust you... I've no other way... I'm noob to do it |
| 11:20.22 | Lukemob | :( |
| 11:20.28 | nethenson | i am having problems with atd (debian etch version), i get "Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied" , i have been trying to fix the permsisions, but had no success.... ( http://rafb.net/p/OLiBeR51.html ) |
| 11:20.28 | Buffer | amavis, anyone |
| 11:20.29 | Buffer | ? |
| 11:20.44 | DustyDingo | crm: i got a t60 with an ati graphic, its useless for games |
| 11:21.05 | crm | the thinkpads just aren't appealing to me DustyDingo |
| 11:21.14 | Nazcafan | I have added debian security on my sources.list |
| 11:21.25 | Nazcafan | but I still can not install libxul-dev |
| 11:21.55 | crm | the dell XPS are very stylish |
| 11:22.00 | DustyDingo | yes, thats what i am saying, when 3d is essential, you won't find a thinkpad, which serves your needs |
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| 11:22.02 | Ace2016 | mxey: this root partition is and an xfs partition, i need to move it to a laptop, will i have to format the partition in my laptop to xfs then use dd if=file of=/dev/sd**, not quite sure on what you mean by resizing tools, can you explain more, do you mean resize the laptop partitions to make a space for this? |
| 11:22.03 | crm | just pricey |
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| 11:22.35 | DustyDingo | CPS, those with the huge led panels on the display? |
| 11:22.41 | DustyDingo | s/CPS/XPS |
| 11:22.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 11:22.59 | mxey | Ace2016: There are resizing tools for filesystems, but XFS can only be grown, not shrunk. |
| 11:23.00 | crm | DustyDingo, naa.. the 21'' screen with the detachable keyboard |
| 11:23.01 | crm | -=) |
| 11:23.25 | DustyDingo | crm: thats insane |
| 11:23.44 | crm | DustyDingo, no.. but the price still is |
| 11:23.45 | Ace2016 | but why is resizing even required? if i use dd its only copying the used part right? thats 11GB, not the 30gb of empty space too right? |
| 11:23.55 | xand | dd copies everything |
| 11:24.03 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: then you have a great opportunity to learn. I did. DNS is easy. |
| 11:24.22 | crm | http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19 |
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| 11:24.39 | DustyDingo | crm: building a thin client, which you can easily cary around, would be much better for gaming than ths |
| 11:24.40 | xand | Ace2016: if you copy a partition/disk with dd, it copies everything... it's not at the file level |
| 11:24.49 | Ace2016 | oh god |
| 11:24.53 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, I'm doing it over 4 hours... It didn't worked, so I came here to get help |
| 11:25.21 | Ace2016 | how am i going to transfer this then? i need everything on here move to the laptop |
| 11:25.21 | crm | DustyDingo, i need a mobile machine with gaming performance |
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| 11:25.29 | Nazcafan | !security testing |
| 11:25.34 | xand | Ace2016: rsync? |
| 11:25.34 | Ace2016 | s/move/moved |
| 11:25.37 | crm | DustyDingo, and with the value of the US dollar today.. that price is the best ive seen =/ |
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| 11:26.07 | Ace2016 | rsync? does that create a file i can take over and extract at the other computer? |
| 11:26.11 | xand | no |
| 11:26.14 | xand | !rsync |
| 11:26.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 11:26.15 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: so, go to the registrar and add your nameservers |
| 11:26.15 | DustyDingo | yea, i thought about an X61s for 1000 euro |
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| 11:26.27 | xand | Ace2016: it copies directory trees |
| 11:26.35 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, I have done that like for 30 times... |
| 11:26.41 | DustyDingo | very cheap and in some aspects the best notebook around |
| 11:26.42 | Lukemob | gettin' very angry |
| 11:26.45 | Ace2016 | its not going over the network, its going over on dvds |
| 11:27.13 | xand | why |
| 11:27.21 | xand | Ace2016: tar | split c.c |
| 11:27.30 | Ace2016 | c.c? |
| 11:27.37 | xand | it's a smiley |
| 11:27.42 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 11:27.46 | xand | :P |
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| 11:28.20 | Ace2016 | could i just add stuff to k3b and burn and remember where everything was and copy it over at the other end? |
| 11:28.27 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, I'd to finish whole server today, and I got stuck at that fucking shit DNS... :'( |
| 11:28.30 | jinzo | hello, I have python2.4 and python 2.5 installed, how do I chose which one is used by defoult ? |
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| 11:28.36 | crm | DustyDingo, i've been told the lenovo's are garbage |
| 11:28.45 | Ace2016 | what directories do i not copy, like /proc are there any others that i should not try to copy? |
| 11:28.49 | xand | *directories of files |
| 11:28.51 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, setting this DNS is just the key to open the door for next step |
| 11:29.19 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, and u see how is it goin'... I tried it more times, DNS is a think I hate... |
| 11:29.26 | DustyDingo | crm: not true, they are not perfect but still one of the best |
| 11:30.06 | crm | DustyDingo, and they just don't look sexy =) |
| 11:30.08 | xand | lenovo thinkpads are the same as when they were "ibm"... they always made them c.c |
| 11:30.27 | mxey | crm: Sexy? |
| 11:30.40 | xand | I love the thinkpad design |
| 11:30.41 | crm | DustyDingo, i have to look at my laptop 25 hours a day.. so i think it should be visually appealing too |
| 11:30.58 | xand | crm: do you live on mars or something9$ |
| 11:30.59 | mxey | Thinkpads are absolutely nice black. |
| 11:31.14 | Ace2016 | i could have just moved the hard disks and get one of those usb to sata things off ebay and have used that |
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| 11:31.27 | Ace2016 | i could have taken my drives with me :( |
| 11:31.30 | xand | Ace2016: why can't you copy over network, would be easier |
| 11:31.40 | Ace2016 | 11+gb over the internet?? |
| 11:31.40 | crm | damn.. thinkpads must go well with debian |
| 11:32.20 | Ace2016 | laptop at uni, desktop at home, don't want to risk damage during transit |
| 11:32.30 | xand | carry laptop :P |
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| 11:33.25 | Ace2016 | so whats a command that'll recursively put all of /usr into a tar file including hidden files, and would it be best to do it while in xorg or under the command line? |
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| 11:33.39 | Ace2016 | and also symlinks as symlinks |
| 11:33.49 | Lukemob | MikeSeth |
| 11:33.57 | xand | tar cfz usr.tar.gz /usr |
| 11:34.07 | mxey | Ace2016: Just back up the package list ;) |
| 11:34.43 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: did you go to the registrar? |
| 11:35.05 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, I'm there for more than 4 hours... |
| 11:35.07 | Ace2016 | oh no its more important than that, xgl will not work no matter how i install it in sid, therefore i'm moving this hard disk as it is and doing a bit of diy package management to get this systems xorg into my sid |
| 11:35.30 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: have you added the DNS servers as I asked you to? |
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| 11:35.42 | crm | the lenovo's only have 12.1'' displays |
| 11:35.54 | nethenson | i am having problems with atd (debian etch version - upgraded from sarge), i get "Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied" , i have been trying to fix the permissions, but had no success.... ( http://rafb.net/p/OLiBeR51.html & http://rafb.net/p/dzM5D292.html ) |
| 11:36.44 | Ace2016 | mxey: apt's cahce was cleaned, so any way to get apt to fetch all of the .dv packages currently installed to a directory so i can install it when i get to my lappy? |
| 11:37.00 | mxey | Ace2016: .dv packages? |
| 11:37.08 | Ace2016 | .deb |
| 11:37.14 | mxey | As you cleared the cache, they are gone of course. |
| 11:37.24 | mxey | You can copy the list from dpkg -l. |
| 11:37.35 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, wait, I make you a screenshot... |
| 11:37.38 | mxey | Or the directory list of /usr/share/doc |
| 11:38.03 | Ace2016 | eeek thats a lot of packages to download by myself |
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| 11:38.31 | SoulChild | hey all ,.... what does this mean ?? " ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initramfs... error, file /DSDT.aml not found." |
| 11:38.50 | Ace2016 | oh can i put this list back into apt at the other end and say hey could you install this stuff with the exact same version pretty please |
| 11:38.59 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: aight |
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| 11:39.13 | xand | Ace2016: sounds rather masochistic :| |
| 11:39.23 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 11:39.26 | phogg | Ace2016: yes, you could |
| 11:39.34 | Ace2016 | oh, how? |
| 11:39.36 | Lukemob | MikeSeth: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5290/dnspd2.jpg |
| 11:39.37 | phogg | Ace2016: dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:39.55 | Ace2016 | how would i generate the file thats going to carry this info accross? |
| 11:40.11 | phogg | Ace2016: dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 11:40.21 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: I don't see your .de nameservers listed there |
| 11:40.25 | phogg | self inflicted wounds |
| 11:40.36 | Ace2016 | and then tell dpkg to use it do i change > to < ? |
| 11:41.04 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, it's not mine... it's default nameservers by the registrar |
| 11:41.08 | Ace2016 | no not self inflicted, i neeed xgl, need, not want, i neeeedddd it |
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| 11:42.09 | phogg | Ace2016: your problems do not appear to be related to needed xgl, so I think they are self inflicted |
| 11:42.16 | phogg | s/needed/needing/ |
| 11:42.50 | xand | Ace2016: "need" it? |
| 11:43.37 | phogg | Ace2016: cat file | dpkg --set-selections |
| 11:43.38 | Ace2016 | i wasted 20 hours trying to compile xgl, use debian repos, use ubuntu repos, use rpms from strange and unknown repos, and when it finally compiled or installed glxinfo said no glx available, when i got that working, compiz white screened on me |
| 11:43.54 | xand | pointless eye candy ;) |
| 11:43.55 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: 82.211.4.15 <- is this the correct IP? |
| 11:44.07 | mxey | Ace2016: It's not worth the effort. |
| 11:44.19 | mxey | I tried it on Gentoo for a week, then it was boring. |
| 11:44.27 | Lukemob | MikeSeth: of my server? |
| 11:44.30 | SoulChild | hwo di i clear all my logs, or force logrote to archive them??? |
| 11:44.31 | phogg | Ace2016: get the source from x.org, compile it. How hard is that? |
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| 11:45.09 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: of the DNS at ns.my-ct.de |
| 11:45.23 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: it seems to be, but I dont know for sure |
| 11:45.46 | Lukemob | I don't know... I can't do anything with ns.my-ct.de ...noobish it's locked |
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| 11:46.27 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, this doesn't matter... I don't use it |
| 11:46.32 | Lukemob | I need gamesdesign.org |
| 11:46.33 | phogg | SoulChild: find /var/log/ -type f -exec rm {} + # delete all logs files |
| 11:46.56 | nethenson | i am having problems with atd (debian etch version - upgraded from sarge), i get "Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied" , i have been trying to fix the permissions, but had no success.... ( logs at : http://rafb.net/p/OLiBeR51.html & http://rafb.net/p/dzM5D292.html ) |
| 11:47.06 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: it does matter because this is what the .de root servers show |
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| 11:47.15 | Ace2016 | phogg: i never tried an xorg compile, is there a script i could use? |
| 11:47.30 | phogg | Ace2016: Yes. It's called the make file you get with the sources. |
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| 11:48.00 | Ace2016 | but when i tried to download xorg it gave lots of little packages, not one thing, so i have no idea even where to start |
| 11:48.07 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, aha... well, I can't remove it, it's locked by provider |
| 11:48.19 | wols_ | Ace2016: apt-get source xserver-xorg? |
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| 11:48.32 | crm | hrm.. after reviewing the desktops and laptops.. i think for the bang for bucks.. i could lug the desktop around ... |
| 11:48.33 | crm | http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/desktops_better?c=au&cs=audhs1&l=en&s=dhs |
| 11:48.36 | phogg | Ace2016: so read the documentation! That's still easier than screwing with incompatible packages from other distributions |
| 11:48.36 | Ace2016 | wols_: i'm planning to use the older version |
| 11:48.39 | crm | any issues with those? |
| 11:48.51 | wols_ | laptop |
| 11:48.51 | phogg | Ace2016: which version? |
| 11:49.02 | wols_ | oh, edsktop |
| 11:49.29 | crm | yea wols_ .. i think i'll hobble along with my current laptop |
| 11:49.45 | graytron | anyone else have experiences using kde in etch and occasionally the keyboard stops working? |
| 11:49.54 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: so my-ct.de is your registrar's nameserver? |
| 11:50.00 | Lukemob | yes |
| 11:50.05 | Lukemob | not used by me |
| 11:50.15 | crm | also.. i'll avoid the radeon card.. the nvidia seems to have better support |
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| 11:50.18 | graytron | stops working = keyboard doesn't do anything :) |
| 11:50.26 | phogg | graytron: I don't use KDE but just last knight after I launched kcontrol and then killed it and all kde background procs my keyboard locked up until I restarted X. No idea why, exactly. |
| 11:50.37 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: it IS used by you, how do you think lookups work? client asks root servers, root servers say go to .de NS |
| 11:50.48 | graytron | phogg: i didn't even restart kcontrol. it happens every now and then |
| 11:51.01 | phogg | graytron: very odd indeed. |
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| 11:51.23 | Lukemob | MikeSeth: well, but I didn't created that... it was there by default and it's not removeable |
| 11:51.27 | Ace2016 | phogg: version 7.2 with matching xgl 7.2 |
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| 11:51.56 | phogg | Ace2016: apt-get source xserver-xorg=7.2-5 |
| 11:52.08 | phogg | Ace2016: er, sorry, it should be: apt-get source xserver-xorg=1:7.2-5 |
| 11:52.15 | simonrvn | Eks maybe? ;p |
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| 11:52.20 | phogg | Ace2016: anyway, you can specify an older version if it still exists in the archive |
| 11:52.22 | Ace2016 | not as simple as that, ubuntu has the wroking xgl, debian sid does not |
| 11:52.32 | Ace2016 | so i'll have to apt-get source ubutnu's one, |
| 11:52.38 | fairway | hi all, is ubuntu popular? |
| 11:52.46 | phogg | fairway: not in this chanel |
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| 11:53.02 | fairway | phogg: k |
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| 11:53.08 | phogg | Ace2016: don't do that. If you are not going to use Debians version, go get upstream |
| 11:53.13 | Ace2016 | and edit the rules that do the making so that prefix=/opt/2ndroot and then the package has the name Ace2016_originalname so no conflicts |
| 11:53.31 | simonrvn | fairway: ask in #ubuntu. you'll get an equally biased answer |
| 11:53.34 | Danielss89 | hi, how can i give user more rights.. ive installed vsftpd, but i cant create dirs, and upload files. So i want to give my user all those rights |
| 11:54.00 | xand | !ftp |
| 11:54.01 | dpkg | from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
| 11:54.02 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, any ideas? |
| 11:54.04 | Ace2016 | i want one big completely static xgl+xorg+whatever else it needs compiled into /opt |
| 11:54.08 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: yes, but it usually means that the updates weren't performed completely. Make sure that in the domain's settings, these DNS servers are selected. If they are, unselect them, do an update, select them again and do an update |
| 11:54.25 | boulbul | Hi, I have installed eyeos on my debian etch system. and it worked fine yesterday... but somehow, I can not find my localhost when I type localhost on the my browser... and ps aux |grep apache2 command is showing me that apache2 is running... any clues please |
| 11:55.31 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, these .de DNS servers? If yes... I can do nothing with it... that's why I wanted u to try it |
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| 11:56.14 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: if your registrar can't update the .de root servers to serve A records for your nameservers, then I don't know how the whole thing is supposed to work |
| 11:56.30 | wols_ | boulbul: does your loopback interface exists? is localhost mentioned in /etc/hosts? |
| 11:56.31 | Ace2016 | wait how about a command that makes something think its somewhere else, e.g a proggy wants to find a file /usr/lib/something.so so i use BLABLA_PREFIX=/opt/2ndroot ./proggy and this makes proggy think its looking in /usr/lib/something.so when really its looking in /opt/2ndroot/usr/lib/something.so |
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| 11:57.00 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: I think something is missing here - but I don't know DNS *that* well |
| 11:57.01 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, I guess he can do everything... but not me, the user |
| 11:57.06 | Ace2016 | anything like that exist? |
| 11:57.18 | phogg | Ace2016: symlinks |
| 11:57.22 | simonrvn | LD_LOADPATH |
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| 11:57.55 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: sorry, gtg, brb 20 mins |
| 11:58.05 | Lukemob | k |
| 11:58.09 | Ace2016 | phogg: well i can't exactly exactly extract the /usr of this system into /opt/2ndroot/usr or debian sid and make a symlink over xorg |
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| 11:58.25 | douglas | I'm on deb 4.0 |
| 11:58.27 | boulbul | wols: yes it is, I have 127.0.0.1 set to my hostname |
| 11:58.35 | douglas | firefox wont play any sound on youtube, napster (online), etc |
| 11:58.35 | phogg | Ace2016: you would symlink individual libraries |
| 11:58.39 | douglas | Any easy way to fix? |
| 11:58.53 | boulbul | wols: I have not make any changes |
| 11:58.56 | boulbul | on that file |
| 11:59.02 | liable | douglas: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 11:59.02 | phogg | douglas: something has your sound device locked? |
| 11:59.14 | douglas | phogg: sound works in the music players in gnome |
| 11:59.17 | douglas | all the apps sound works |
| 11:59.20 | douglas | just not in firefo |
| 11:59.21 | douglas | firefox |
| 11:59.28 | simonrvn | douglas: the sound is disabled due to its instability, esp. with flash plugin |
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| 11:59.44 | wols_ | boulbul: that's not what I asked. what is in your /etc/hosts ? |
| 11:59.56 | douglas | liable: not sure |
| 11:59.59 | douglas | how ot check? |
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| 11:59.59 | douglas | to* |
| 12:00.08 | Ace2016 | phogg: which would mean deleting conflicting files from sid which would mess get overwritten the second sid gets an upgrade to its xorg |
| 12:00.10 | douglas | And is there an easy way to load it? the sound |
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| 12:00.52 | phogg | Ace2016: why are you going through all of these hoops and all of this pain? It just doesn't make sense. |
| 12:01.05 | boulbul | wols_: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 12:01.16 | wols_ | phogg: and why is he always only speaking about it and never actually _doing_ it? |
| 12:01.20 | boulbul | wols: is this what you have asked me? |
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| 12:01.26 | turner_ | Hi |
| 12:01.31 | wols_ | boulbul: yes. and pinging localhost works? |
| 12:01.38 | simonrvn | cp /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc ~/.mozilla; edit it to say esd or alsa or such |
| 12:01.42 | turner_ | Can anyone help me with a Grub Bootloader error 15? |
| 12:01.52 | Danielss89 | xand okey i use sftp but get the same error |
| 12:01.57 | wols_ | turner_: never ask to ask |
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| 12:02.01 | simonrvn | douglas: ^^^ |
| 12:02.02 | Danielss89 | permission denied |
| 12:02.04 | turner_ | wols_: Cheers. |
| 12:02.09 | phogg | Ace2016: You are going about getting it ass-backwards |
| 12:02.28 | turner_ | But im having some troubles with Grub, i.e the machine wont boot. |
| 12:02.48 | boulbul | wols_: not it does not work... I get no response... it hangs |
| 12:02.54 | phogg | "How many rube-goldberg-like steps can I inject in to this process? I know, I'll rewrite gcc's binary using cat!" |
| 12:03.02 | wols_ | boulbul: ifconfig. does lo exist? |
| 12:03.17 | nethenson | i am having problems with atd (debian etch version - upgraded from sarge), i get "Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied" , i have been trying to fix the permissions, but had no success.... ( logs at : http://rafb.net/p/OLiBeR51.html & http://rafb.net/p/dzM5D292.html ) |
| 12:03.33 | boulbul | wols_: no it does not |
| 12:03.37 | Ace2016 | ass-backwards? |
| 12:03.42 | wols_ | turner_: a file couldn't be found.usually it's the kernel image |
| 12:03.54 | Ace2016 | ssa< |
| 12:03.55 | wols_ | boulbul: /msg dpkg interfaces and make it have lo again |
| 12:03.56 | Ace2016 | ssa? |
| 12:03.56 | turner_ | wols_: So I should re-install. |
| 12:03.57 | turner_ | ? |
| 12:04.02 | douglas | still no sound |
| 12:04.02 | douglas | :< |
| 12:04.05 | wols_ | turner_: no I didn't say that |
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| 12:04.27 | turner_ | wols_: I know, It's just that I need the machine up and running ASAP (it's a server). |
| 12:04.37 | turner_ | Hmm. |
| 12:04.49 | glkasleg | I'm attending a course where I am supposed to install a windows2003 server. I've asked the teacher if I can install debian server instead. My question for you is: do I just download the cd with net install, or is there a cd/dvd especially designed for debian server? |
| 12:05.09 | wols_ | glkasleg: there is no special CD |
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| 12:06.03 | xand | Danielss89: the user doesn't have permissions to that dir then? |
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| 12:06.33 | turner_ | wols_: Any idea on what I could do to repair it? |
| 12:06.35 | turner_ | :S |
| 12:06.50 | wols_ | yes. fix your menu.lst to point to the proper file(s) |
| 12:06.57 | wols_ | and make sure those files actually exist on disk |
| 12:07.02 | douglas | simonrvn, notta |
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| 12:07.28 | turner_ | so im going to have to a) plug the hard drive into an external box. b) boot a cd image? |
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| 12:07.33 | glkasleg | Ok, next question, where do I find the best howto on installing debia server? |
| 12:07.52 | douglas | glkasleg, it's self explanatory |
| 12:07.57 | wols_ | glkasleg: meaningless question |
| 12:08.05 | petemc | theres also an install guide |
| 12:08.08 | Danielss89 | xand nope hehe i knew that.. i want to give permission, so i chowned it to my user.. is that correct? |
| 12:08.11 | hatter | glkasleg, the install is trivial, its the services that you want that you will need to know about |
| 12:08.13 | wols_ | there are so many different kinds of servers you can run that i's not answerable |
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| 12:08.23 | xand | Danielss89: what dir? |
| 12:08.30 | turner_ | hold on |
| 12:08.30 | Danielss89 | all dirs :D |
| 12:08.36 | Danielss89 | in a folder |
| 12:08.48 | turner_ | in the bios it says the the master drive is listed as a slave.. |
| 12:08.53 | Danielss89 | ./var/www/* xand |
| 12:08.53 | glkasleg | hatter; domain controller, dhcp-server, ldap, squid |
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| 12:09.30 | wols_ | glkasleg: you can't do it. |
| 12:09.50 | glkasleg | wols_: why not? |
| 12:10.09 | wols_ | cause you lack the knowledge. under windows this is easy since MS designed it all for this |
| 12:10.15 | douglas | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 12:10.17 | douglas | bigo |
| 12:10.18 | douglas | bingo |
| 12:10.20 | wols_ | under Linux, it was reverse engineered and is advanced |
| 12:10.22 | douglas | How would I fix that? |
| 12:11.04 | war | http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/configs/dot-Xdefaults <- Anyone know how to get Debian to show man pages like RedHat 7/8/9 used to? man ls for example would show the BOLD text in yellow and underline in purple/making it very easy to read? |
| 12:11.29 | glkasleg | wols_: ok, not with help from this channel either? |
| 12:11.49 | wols_ | glkasleg: let'S just say, I wouldn't do it if my grades depended on it |
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| 12:12.18 | glkasleg | wols_: ok, thanks |
| 12:12.24 | crm | what's up with these physics cards? |
| 12:12.55 | wols_ | crm: a way to extract money from gullible kids |
| 12:12.57 | crm | are they like the "math coprocessor" that quickly vanished |
| 12:13.03 | wols_ | and there is only one kind of physics card |
| 12:13.05 | DustyDingo | hm, i want to use sdl video output in mplayer, is there a way to set the default fullscreen mode? |
| 12:13.11 | crm | wols_ =) |
| 12:13.17 | petemc | war: you can change the pager man uses |
| 12:13.17 | wols_ | crm: FPUs never vanished |
| 12:13.23 | douglas | :< |
| 12:13.25 | phogg | DustyDingo: in the config file |
| 12:13.33 | war | petemc: ahh |
| 12:13.34 | douglas | Anyone want to help me real fast? |
| 12:13.37 | war | petemc: what is the pager you use? |
| 12:13.51 | DustyDingo | phogg: yes, but how i can't find any documentation about this |
| 12:13.55 | phogg | DustyDingo: echo vo=sdl >> ~/.mplayer/config |
| 12:14.11 | war | petemc: (?) |
| 12:14.13 | petemc | war: i just use less, but i think most does funky colours |
| 12:14.18 | war | k, checking |
| 12:14.19 | phogg | DustyDingo: config file options are the same as command line ones except there's always an = between name and value and there is no leading - |
| 12:14.31 | boulbul | wols_ it workes not. I think that installing & configuring wicd caused the problem... may thanks man |
| 12:14.43 | phogg | DustyDingo: a very brief mention of this fact can be found in the mplayer manual |
| 12:14.57 | douglas | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
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| 12:15.00 | douglas | How would i fix that |
| 12:15.01 | DustyDingo | phogg: but not about fullscreen modes for sdl,... |
| 12:15.16 | phogg | DustyDingo: do you know how to do it on the command line? |
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| 12:15.30 | techouse | iget this error when trying to play something in mplayer: error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device |
| 12:15.37 | DustyDingo | no, i must cycle with 'c' through the different modes |
| 12:17.06 | phogg | DustyDingo: interesting |
| 12:17.25 | phogg | DustyDingo: I take it you need a specific resolution not just just full screen? |
| 12:19.32 | phogg | DustyDingo: I recommend the mplayer users mailing list for this question. |
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| 12:22.08 | DustyBin | http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/configs/dot-Xdefaults <- Anyone know how to get Debian to show man pages like RedHat 7/8/9 used to? man ls for example would show the BOLD text in yellow and underline in purple/making it very easy to read? |
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| 12:22.43 | hatter | any of you guys hang out in #linux ? they dont talk much about linux.... |
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| 12:23.35 | phogg | hatter: yes. On-topic comes and goes. |
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| 12:23.48 | DustyDingo | phogg: i could write a wrapper script, which chooses the right mode |
| 12:24.43 | porta | How would I reset the pasword for mysql if it isn't taking the one I set? |
| 12:25.14 | phogg | DustyDingo: I thought you said you did not know how to choose the right mode from the command line |
| 12:25.15 | techouse | hmm...mplayer doesn't work, however kmplayer plays just fine |
| 12:25.37 | douglas | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 12:25.39 | douglas | i need to fix it |
| 12:25.40 | douglas | any idea? |
| 12:25.41 | phogg | porta: if you have admin access you can always modify the tables directly |
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| 12:25.48 | DustyDingo | phogg: ehm, yes there are not command line options |
| 12:25.53 | phogg | techouse: define doesn't work |
| 12:25.54 | Ace2016 | techouse: did you run mplayer from the command line, what did it say> |
| 12:25.55 | Ace2016 | ? |
| 12:26.00 | hatter | liable, if u are there, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ because of this my sata chipset is recognised :) |
| 12:26.02 | phogg | DustyDingo: then how would your wrapper script work? |
| 12:26.12 | techouse | i already removed it |
| 12:26.16 | liable | hatter: good to see |
| 12:26.18 | techouse | emm it said this |
| 12:26.20 | DustyDingo | in batch mode mplayer < 'fccc' |
| 12:26.20 | war | petemc: i exported the pager as less, still no colors, do you get colors when you man something? |
| 12:26.30 | techouse | error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device |
| 12:26.37 | techouse | in an error message |
| 12:26.37 | porta | phogg: I can login as root to the system but the root pass for mysql isn't working. |
| 12:27.00 | Urigeller | does the button hibernate in the shutdown gui trigger the /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh script? |
| 12:27.15 | xand | !reset mysql root password |
| 12:27.22 | hatter | is there any talk of the kernel in debian entering somewhere like volatile to account for outdated drivers ? |
| 12:27.31 | xand | porta: google for that... there's instructions on mysql website to reset it |
| 12:27.31 | techouse | well anyway kmplayer is waaaay more sexy-looking than mplayer so good bye mplayer |
| 12:27.32 | EightEleven | techouse: Which video output device is set in the preferences? |
| 12:27.40 | porta | thank you! |
| 12:28.14 | techouse | @EightEleven: I already removed mplayer and switched to kmplayer |
| 12:28.35 | phogg | techouse: kmplayer is just a front end |
| 12:28.43 | techouse | well....yes |
| 12:28.49 | techouse | but it works and looks nicer |
| 12:28.59 | techouse | the looks is important too, you know |
| 12:29.01 | techouse | ;) |
| 12:29.07 | phogg | techouse: so if kmplayer works then (1) mplayer is installed and (2) mplayer works |
| 12:29.21 | xand | if you want looks, you don't use kde surely ;) |
| 12:29.34 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: contact your registrar and ask them wtf the .de servers don't serve A records for NS |
| 12:29.39 | phogg | if you want looks, you definitely don't use gnome |
| 12:29.40 | liable | surely you dont suggest gtk? |
| 12:29.49 | techouse | no...i don't just want looks, but it's prefered ;) |
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| 12:29.59 | phogg | I might recommend Enlightenment. Still pretty after all these years. |
| 12:30.14 | liable | e17 is even prettier |
| 12:30.27 | techouse | i gotta fix these weird looking non-anti-aliased fonts |
| 12:30.40 | phogg | liable: I am awaiting a formal beta release on that |
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| 12:30.56 | Lukemob | MikeSeth... fuck them, I'm very angry, won't do anything more now |
| 12:31.02 | phogg | or a release of any kind |
| 12:31.05 | porta | what is a good program for remote logging with a gui? I have tried ssh -X and it's not working correctly and X11vnc gives errors... I'm still a newbe so it is probably me that's not doing something right but is there a program that is simple for a gui remote login? |
| 12:31.06 | Lukemob | I'll cancel and buy from another provider |
| 12:31.07 | liable | phogg: hah, seems he doesnt want to ever release it ;) |
| 12:31.12 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: *shrug* I never have this kind of problems with my registrar |
| 12:31.14 | phogg | liable: yep |
| 12:31.37 | Lukemob | MikeSeth, yes... thx anyway |
| 12:31.51 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: sorry I am unable to help you |
| 12:32.11 | Lukemob | u tried to help me, but the fucking provider blocks us... |
| 12:32.22 | Lukemob | no one would be able to help, not ur fault |
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| 12:32.34 | Lukemob | i'll buy another |
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| 12:33.39 | jelly-home | Lukemob: it might not be the provider's fault but the people responsible for .de TLD |
| 12:33.55 | Lukemob | ok |
| 12:34.00 | jelly-home | Lukemob: esp. if the domain is very new |
| 12:34.01 | Lukemob | i don't care |
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| 12:34.29 | MikeSeth | Lukemob: top level updates usually show up within minutes |
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| 12:34.37 | MikeSeth | though .de.. I don't know |
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| 12:35.33 | jelly-home | in my country (.hr) the procedure for a new domain isn't automatic and real people have to handle it |
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| 12:36.08 | xand | where's .hr? |
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| 12:36.44 | MikeSeth | xand: Croatia |
| 12:36.47 | MikeSeth | Hungary is .hu |
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| 12:36.50 | xand | o.O |
| 12:37.08 | jelly-home | xand: Croatia. SE Europe, Mediterranean, West Balkans, whatchamacallit |
| 12:38.03 | Urigeller | sorry to repeat myself but does anyone know which command is executed by pressing the hibernate button in the shutdown menu? |
| 12:38.36 | xand | jelly-home: I know where croatia is... what does hr stand for? |
| 12:38.59 | jelly-home | xand: local name, Hrvatska |
| 12:39.12 | liable | Urigeller: usually a script in /etc/acpi/actions |
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| 12:39.20 | liable | Urigeller: check your acpid log |
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| 12:43.15 | Urigeller | liable: thx, I thought it may be /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh but that's working properly when executed as root, and the button isn't.. |
| 12:43.33 | liable | check your log |
| 12:43.54 | liable | it show that an event was registered, then should call a script to deal with it |
| 12:44.27 | liable | *chirps* |
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| 12:44.38 | attunix | What libraries do I need installed to program in GTK? |
| 12:44.41 | ev_ | Hi everyone, I have a problem with gdm under debian sid, after I do login, nothing shows up, just an empty desktop and mouse pointer, so my question is: where do I find the gdm configuration files and log files to check whats the problem? thx in advance ^^ |
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| 12:48.27 | MikeSeth | ev_: it's not a 'problem', you're just starting the default window manager |
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| 12:48.47 | MikeSeth | ev_: if you have other WMs installed, choose another session type in gdm before you log in |
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| 12:49.31 | liable | and learn to walk before you run, dont install unstable |
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| 12:49.53 | attunix | I keep getting an error that <gtk/gtk.h> header file doesn't exist. |
| 12:50.17 | liable | !tell attunix -about search |
| 12:50.49 | attunix | liable: thanks :) |
| 12:50.58 | liable | yw |
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| 12:51.30 | ev_ | MikeSeth: I have gnome, metacity and twm in Sessions but even if I try to switch to one of them, I'm still getting the same result |
| 12:52.20 | MikeSeth | ev_: interesting. cat ~/.xsession_errors |
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| 12:53.51 | Placid | hi all |
| 12:53.53 | Urigeller | liable: I've checked /var/log/acpi, there aren't any useful new entries, am I missing something? |
| 12:54.21 | liable | Urigeller: if it doesnt show in the log, then the key press isnt being registered |
| 12:54.34 | liable | you need to find out how to get it to work |
| 12:54.46 | p0g0_ | Anyone here gotten an SDHC 4GB card to read/xfer data/photos under linux? The card's fine under MS & in the camera. It appears as a 512K block device, but it's a 2048k I think. The kernel config shows MMC_SDHCI=m, and the card is seen but develops device descriptor errors. |
| 12:55.27 | ev_ | MikeSeth: its a bit long to paste but it says that he is refusing to initialize GTK because "This process is currently running setuid or setgid" |
| 12:55.36 | turner_ | Heyy, there is a great text editor bundled with debian. It's like VI but it works. Anyone know it? |
| 12:55.59 | Urigeller | liable: just to avoid any missunderstandings, I'm talking about pressing a button in the shutdown gui, not pressing a key, should this also being logged in /var/log/acpid? |
| 12:56.01 | jelly-home | turner_: can you be more specific? |
| 12:56.20 | turner_ | jelly-home: I remember it having menu's at the top. |
| 12:56.21 | liable | Urigeller: oh, right. probably not |
| 12:56.27 | turner_ | it had like a 5 letter name. |
| 12:56.34 | Coweater | turner_: cream, gvim? they all work |
| 12:56.42 | MikeSeth | ev_: this process being what? gdm? |
| 12:56.44 | MikeSeth | hmpf |
| 12:56.49 | turner_ | nahh. |
| 12:57.02 | liable | Urigeller: i dunno what that would use to initiate a hibernate event |
| 12:57.02 | turner_ | Coweater: They're not on my siste, |
| 12:57.07 | turner_ | *system |
| 12:57.22 | Urigeller | liable: alright, thx nevertheless |
| 12:57.38 | jelly-home | turner_: was it a terminal app, or an X app? |
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| 12:57.39 | liable | Urigeller: what desktop manager? |
| 12:57.45 | Urigeller | liable: gnome |
| 12:57.51 | MikeSeth | ev_: http://www.google.co.il/search?q=%22This+process+is+currently+running+setuid+or+setgid%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 12:57.52 | turner_ | terminal |
| 12:57.55 | liable | Urigeller: try gconf |
| 12:58.15 | liable | or whatever its called |
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| 12:58.20 | Urigeller | liable: good idea, will do that, thx |
| 12:58.27 | ev_ | MikeSeth: yes thats the error |
| 12:58.44 | Placid | Just finished a netinst of etch. I've dist-upgraded to sid. I've used module-assistant (m-a) to auto-install the nvidia module, but I'm getting the following error: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.22-2-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device. THe file does actually exist. Any ideas? |
| 12:58.53 | MikeSeth | ev_: Ubuntu? |
| 12:59.19 | ev_ | MikeSeth: you mean I should use Ubuntu? |
| 12:59.34 | Nazcafan | well I have to rhythmbox, seems ok for what I do |
| 12:59.36 | valdyn | Placid: its not finding the nvidia card |
| 12:59.56 | MikeSeth | ev_: no I mean are you on Ubuntu? either way https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136529 |
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| 13:00.09 | valdyn | Placid: ...which isn't unusual if your card is newer than etch |
| 13:00.16 | ev_ | MikeSeth: no I'm using debian sid |
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| 13:00.48 | MikeSeth | ev_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/153243 |
| 13:00.54 | Placid | valdyn, right, but the card's really old. |
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| 13:01.18 | valdyn | Placid: same thing maybe, really old cards are only supported by nvidias legacy driver |
| 13:01.31 | Placid | valdyn, right |
| 13:01.34 | turner_ | AHh |
| 13:01.36 | turner_ | I found it |
| 13:01.39 | turner_ | It's NANO!! |
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| 13:01.47 | Placid | valdyn, should I install another module then? |
| 13:02.18 | valdyn | Placid: you should read up on which driver supports your card |
| 13:02.52 | ewl | STOOPID QUESTION ALERT: I just upgraded to lenny, and it's called lenny/sid. Have testing and unstable merged? |
| 13:02.58 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M? |
| 13:03.03 | valdyn | ewl: no |
| 13:03.14 | liable | ewl: no |
| 13:03.17 | Placid | valdyn, ok, thanks! |
| 13:03.19 | liable | !snap |
| 13:03.23 | jelly-home | turner_: you could try searching for installed packages that Provide: editor, or that are in Section: editors |
| 13:03.28 | ewl | why lenny/sid? |
| 13:03.35 | liable | dpkg: answer me you lazy buffon! |
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| 13:03.57 | valdyn | ewl: that file comes from a package that migrated from sid to lenny, as ever lenny package |
| 13:04.02 | liable | ewl: to confuse you. |
| 13:04.15 | turner_ | jelly-home: I found it. |
| 13:04.20 | turner_ | It's called nano. |
| 13:04.22 | ev_ | MikeSeth: thanks, I'm gonna try to fix it ^^ |
| 13:04.22 | jelly-home | turner_: heh. It only has 4 letters, isn't much like vi, and has menus at bottom. Good call. :-) |
| 13:04.33 | turner_ | jelly-home: yeah thanks. |
| 13:04.42 | ewl | liable: that's not much of a challenge ;) Thanks for the answers... |
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| 13:04.46 | valdyn | ewl: it's not 'fixed' before lenny is being frozen or released as new stable |
| 13:04.48 | turner_ | I asked an old friend in #friendly-coders and awesome room btw! |
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| 13:04.54 | MikeSeth | ev_: google is your friend |
| 13:05.24 | jelly-home | turner_: still it's better than figuring out how to do aptitude search '~i ~DProvides:^editor$' |
| 13:05.28 | Enverex | Is the Radeon Mobility X1700 supported by any open drivers at the moment? |
| 13:06.06 | turner_ | jelly-home: hah true, true |
| 13:06.14 | liable | Enverex: try it and see. they are continually adding cards |
| 13:06.32 | Eulex | Enverex, yes, radeonhd |
| 13:06.45 | Eulex | liable, the normal radeon driver is a no-go |
| 13:06.59 | MikeSeth | X300 sucks, that's all I know |
| 13:07.04 | liable | Eulex: yeah, i made the assumption he was talking about radeonhd |
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| 13:08.58 | jelly-home | btw is there an video-radeonhd backport for etch? |
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| 13:09.35 | DustyDingo | *grml* sdl's scaling/video/fullscreen modes in mplayer behave different on each video |
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| 13:09.52 | liable | jelly-home: unlikely, it hasnt even made it to sid yet. would guess the xserver would have to be backported as well |
| 13:09.58 | Eulex | jelly-home, I assume you would need to backport xorg then too. |
| 13:10.03 | DustyDingo | so its impossible to set, everytime you want to watch a video you must choose the best out of 12 |
| 13:10.15 | DustyDingo | (and it isn't easy) |
| 13:10.51 | wols | DustyDingo: ever tried vlc? |
| 13:11.18 | DustyDingo | wols: i like mplayer, and it works great with gl output |
| 13:11.18 | Eulex | DustyDingo, mplayer can use sdl as video output? in any case, did you try xv or gl output? |
| 13:11.22 | wols | I had problems running mplayer with my old p2-300 with neomagic videocard (choppy movies). vlc worked out of the box |
| 13:11.26 | Enverex | Eulex, Is that part of xorg-video-ati? |
| 13:11.31 | wols | the preselect that output |
| 13:11.40 | Eulex | Enverex, no. it's xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd. |
| 13:11.59 | DustyDingo | Eulex: gl isn't working because i use vesa driver by now and xv won't work either |
| 13:12.09 | Eulex | DustyBin, x11? |
| 13:12.47 | DustyDingo | works, but i can't switch to fullscreen |
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| 13:13.27 | Eulex | DustyDingo, why are you on vesa, btw? |
| 13:13.48 | DustyDingo | there i have to change the resolution of my xserver (which i did in the past) and most of the time i had some not used spaced at right and left border |
| 13:13.49 | Enverex | Eulex, Ah right, they used to pile them all together |
| 13:13.50 | munga | I want to change my mac address with macchanger every time avahi brings my wireless interface up... where shall I put my script ? |
| 13:13.57 | DustyDingo | Eulex: because ati/amd sucks? |
| 13:14.15 | DustyDingo | because hardware companies are dumd as shit |
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| 13:14.17 | Eulex | DustyDingo, well, indeed ^^ |
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| 13:14.31 | Eulex | Enverex, emh, they never piled together the radeonhd driver with the old ones. |
| 13:14.39 | Oxz | does debian have tools to decrypt passwords saved in passwd file with crypt() function? |
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| 13:14.52 | Enverex | Eulex, I meant like "rage" "radeon" etc were all one package |
| 13:14.53 | munga | Oxz: john the ripper |
| 13:15.02 | Enverex | Eulex, Erm, radeonhd isn't in Debian's repos :/ |
| 13:15.11 | Eulex | Enverex, it is in experimental. |
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| 13:15.29 | Enverex | Eulex, Ah ok |
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| 13:15.40 | Oxz | munga, there is a package? |
| 13:16.04 | DustyDingo | however, i wonder if there is a fullscreen mode for x11 output too? |
| 13:16.30 | Oxz | hey it isnt free |
| 13:16.42 | munga | Oxz: yes as far as I know ... |
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| 13:16.56 | Oxz | munga, yes it isnt free or yes there is a package? |
| 13:17.27 | munga | I've the package... it's called john |
| 13:17.42 | Eulex | Oxz, it's in sarge, sid and experimental. |
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| 13:18.39 | Oxz | Eulex, not in etch |
| 13:18.42 | Oxz | whyt |
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| 13:18.53 | jelly-home | !why is john not in testing |
| 13:18.54 | dpkg | john is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=john |
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| 13:19.22 | munga | Oxz: you can recompile it in 5 mins if you want. I don't think it has too many dependencies |
| 13:19.51 | Oxz | guess i will backport it |
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| 13:26.48 | munga | I want to change my mac address. If I put my script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d shall it be the first one, last one or somewhere in between ? |
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| 13:27.09 | techouse | how do i make the fonts in OOo look prettier? they look like bricks, for god's sake |
| 13:27.52 | munga | techouse: try to install the ttf fonts bundled with OOo ... |
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| 13:28.09 | rswarbrick | ... and use them of course! |
| 13:28.24 | Oxz | thanks |
| 13:28.31 | techouse | any link to that? |
| 13:28.50 | dimsuz | dpkg: fglrx |
| 13:28.50 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
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| 13:29.12 | dimsuz | fglrx-one-liner |
| 13:29.17 | hatter | are there stats on if many people use gnome on etch ? |
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| 13:29.34 | dimsuz | uhm. i forgot it. again. guys, help :) fglrx-oneliner? |
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| 13:30.20 | munga | techouse: if you use gnome, there are good chances you already have them. Probably it's just a matter of settings... |
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| 13:30.44 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 13:30.44 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:30.52 | techouse | munga: i've kde |
| 13:31.11 | valdyn | hatter: ^^ |
| 13:31.31 | techouse | and i have ooo 2.3 (downloaded from http://openoffice.org) |
| 13:31.55 | dimsuz | !fglrx-oneliner |
| 13:31.55 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 13:32.45 | fasta | I am currently in an Xsession, but it appears that Gnome is crashed. I can run irssi in a gnome-terminal however. Moving the mouse works, but I cannot move a window for example or press a button. |
| 13:32.49 | fasta | Is there anything I can do on the console that restarts gnome, but doesn't shutdown the rest of the programs (e.g. browser) |
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| 13:34.16 | jeff_hann | fasta, no |
| 13:34.24 | fasta | jeff_hann: yes, there is. |
| 13:34.28 | fasta | jeff_hann: I just did |
| 13:34.36 | jeff_hann | what? |
| 13:34.42 | fasta | pkill metacity |
| 13:34.51 | jeff_hann | damn :) |
| 13:35.01 | aeshyamae | hi i have downloaded the gutsy gibbon cd can i use that to install gnome 2.20 in my debian etch? |
| 13:35.13 | Eulex | no. |
| 13:35.14 | aeshyamae | what should i do for that? |
| 13:35.16 | aeshyamae | ok |
| 13:35.25 | jeff_hann | fasta, i didn't think of that |
| 13:35.28 | cyberjames | no |
| 13:35.39 | valdyn | aeshyamae: best would be you just forget about gnome 2.20 |
| 13:35.53 | aeshyamae | :( |
| 13:35.55 | hatter | valdyn, oh yeah, thats right :) |
| 13:35.56 | valdyn | aeshyamae: because its a pita to get it on etch |
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| 13:36.02 | fasta | jeff_hann: neither did I, but someone in ##gnome did. |
| 13:36.15 | Eulex | aeshyamae, wait until lenny is released. |
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| 13:36.33 | aeshyamae | k... |
| 13:36.41 | dvs | !wwlr |
| 13:36.41 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. |
| 13:36.54 | jeff_hann | !wir |
| 13:36.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 13:37.06 | jeff_hann | !siyh |
| 13:37.07 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 13:37.20 | aeshyamae | !rsn |
| 13:37.20 | dpkg | it has been said that rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 13:37.49 | Enverex | Is the RadeonHD driver actually usable yet? (for 2D) |
| 13:38.29 | Eulex | Enverex, it should be able to do unaccelerated 2d. but nothing's guaranteed with such an experimental driver. |
| 13:38.48 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 13:38.48 | dpkg | hmm... monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 13:38.56 | valdyn | Enverex: google? |
| 13:39.32 | Enverex | valdyn, Is a search engine. What's your point? |
| 13:39.52 | valdyn | Enverex: that such a question is better answered by google |
| 13:41.27 | nethenson | i am having problems with atd (debian etch version - upgraded from sarge), i get "Cannot change to /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied" , i have been trying to fix the permissions, but had no success.... ( logs at : http://rafb.net/p/OLiBeR51.html & http://rafb.net/p/dzM5D292.html ) |
| 13:42.18 | Enverex | Hrm, well with it being a Debian package I wondered if someone may have heard of others experiences on Debian with it |
| 13:42.47 | Oxz | anyone know why when i tell john to load a file with a md5 password it dosent detect it unless there are : : framing the password |
| 13:43.03 | techouse | should I install compiz? |
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| 13:45.24 | MolePrince | Hello. I was wondering if anyone here had used any sort of speech recognition software under linux. I am looking specifically for something to use for dictation. |
| 13:45.25 | Shadow_7 | techouse: are you wanting fancy graphics stuff in X to slow your machine down? |
| 13:45.40 | Rahsputin74 | Hi. Ist es möglich das wärend ich mit zB Dillo oder iceape im internet surfe andere Menschen den Verkehr ( welche Seite ich betrette ) beobachten können ? |
| 13:45.48 | techouse | well....kubuntu had it and it wasn't slow |
| 13:45.56 | techouse | ok...debian is faster, that's definite |
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| 13:46.20 | MolePrince | Rahsputin74: #debian-de bitte :) |
| 13:46.52 | Rahsputin74 | MolePrince, I just noticed |
| 13:46.53 | Rahsputin74 | :D |
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| 13:47.17 | MolePrince | Rahsputin74: Spitze! Hoeffentlich sie koennen dich besser antworten. :D |
| 13:47.21 | valdyn | nethenson: why are you not using /etc/init.t/atd start ? |
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| 13:48.28 | Placid | valdyn, mind giving me a hand? I've got the right nvidia-kernel package installed... |
| 13:48.35 | Placid | valdyn, 8776 version of the drivers etc |
| 13:48.54 | valdyn | Placid: and the problem is what? |
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| 13:49.08 | Placid | valdyn, cannot load the nvidia module |
| 13:49.17 | valdyn | Placid: why cant you? |
| 13:49.57 | Placid | valdyn, i don't know. modprobe says it doesn't exist (perhaps the device, the module file does) |
| 13:50.11 | valdyn | Placid: what is the error message? |
| 13:50.18 | nethenson | valdyn, doesn't work either router:~# /etc/init.d/atd start ---> |
| 13:50.18 | nethenson | Starting deferred execution scheduler: atd ;; router:~# ps aux |grep atd ---> root 11455 0.0 0.0 1648 528 pts/0 S+ 15:48 0:00 grep atd |
| 13:50.31 | Placid | valdyn, FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.22-2-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 13:50.38 | techouse | where's the amarok binary located? |
| 13:50.59 | valdyn | Placid: ls -l /dev/agpgart |
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| 13:51.16 | Placid | valdyn, crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 2007-10-21 12:58 /dev/agpgart |
| 13:51.19 | dutchfish | anyone knows why using squash_uids=0-2003,2005-9999 gives error Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...exportfs: /etc/exports:12: unknown keyword "2005-9999", according to manpage this is the right cast... i am stuck |
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| 13:51.22 | valdyn | Placid: its an agp card, right? |
| 13:51.31 | valdyn | nethenson: why is your atd running as root? |
| 13:51.34 | Placid | valdyn, this is a laptop |
| 13:51.43 | valdyn | nethenson: err nm |
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| 13:52.00 | techouse | how to run sudo firefox ? |
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| 13:52.07 | valdyn | Placid: that doesn't change anything |
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| 13:52.18 | liable | techouse: eh? |
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| 13:52.29 | Placid | valdyn, yes, it's agp |
| 13:52.29 | valdyn | Placid: did you see your card listed as supported by that driver version? |
| 13:52.45 | techouse | liable: sudo firefox doesn't run |
| 13:52.53 | valdyn | techouse: you don't do it |
| 13:52.58 | techouse | i wanna set firefox as the default browser |
| 13:53.03 | liable | techouse: why are you even trying to do that? |
| 13:53.07 | techouse | since konqueror sux |
| 13:53.11 | valdyn | techouse: running it as rot is not the solution |
| 13:53.15 | hatter | anyone know in gnome where ppp connectiuons happen ? |
| 13:53.17 | valdyn | *root* |
| 13:53.23 | valdyn | hatter: not |
| 13:53.39 | techouse | hatter install pppoeconf |
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| 13:53.49 | liable | techouse: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 13:53.52 | turner_ | Hi. |
| 13:53.59 | Placid | valdyn, sec |
| 13:54.08 | hatter | does pppoeconf not get taken over by network-manager ? |
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| 13:54.40 | valdyn | hatter: no |
| 13:54.51 | hatter | phew |
| 13:55.17 | valdyn | hatter: n-m is neat for wlan in a notebook, where you usually change wlan access alot, its not nice for much else |
| 13:55.32 | Placid | valdyn, yes |
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| 13:55.56 | hatter | valdyn, thats a good use for it, i hadnt found one :) |
| 13:56.37 | hatter | oohh, pppoeconf has a nice ncurses interface |
| 13:56.49 | hatter | nicer than roaring penguin :) |
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| 13:56.58 | hatter | so roaring penguin is nott needed anymore ? |
| 13:57.04 | valdyn | Placid: how are you loading that module, what does 'modinfo nvidia' tell ? |
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| 13:57.49 | turner__ | AHHH! |
| 13:57.51 | hatter | does etch's gnome recommend some firewall ? |
| 13:57.54 | turner__ | How do I start SSH on Debian |
| 13:57.58 | turner__ | It was running 20 seconds ago. |
| 13:58.00 | turner__ | WAHHH! |
| 13:58.05 | hatter | turner__, is it installed ? |
| 13:58.08 | turner__ | Yes. |
| 13:58.15 | hatter | apt-get install openssh-server |
| 13:58.21 | turner__ | kk |
| 13:58.22 | liable | turner__: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 13:58.23 | hatter | oops aptitude |
| 13:58.41 | hatter | if its installed it should be on... |
| 13:58.48 | hatter | unless you turned it off |
| 13:58.51 | turner__ | nope |
| 13:58.59 | turner__ | it's just not working |
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| 13:59.03 | turner__ | FARK |
| 13:59.10 | hatter | hosts.allow ? |
| 13:59.22 | turner__ | nono, it was working before. |
| 13:59.27 | hatter | pgrep sshd |
| 13:59.42 | valdyn | Placid: and what's your card really? lspci / lspci -n |
| 13:59.51 | techouse | heh...i fixed it in kcontrol |
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| 13:59.58 | turner__ | when i type pgrep sshd i get a response of 2231 |
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| 14:00.05 | turner__ | so. |
| 14:00.09 | turner__ | it's runnng. |
| 14:00.12 | turner__ | *running |
| 14:00.41 | hatter | what have you changed ? did you add a firewall and not allow it ? |
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| 14:01.06 | turner__ | Nono |
| 14:01.09 | dimir | And define "not working". |
| 14:01.13 | techouse | haha....firefox downloads is ctrl+j in windows and ctrl+y in linux |
| 14:01.15 | techouse | lol |
| 14:01.21 | turner__ | I haven't done anything, I just restarted the box. |
| 14:01.30 | turner__ | Basically, I cant connect to the box. |
| 14:01.30 | hatter | off to sleep for me... zzzzz |
| 14:01.35 | turner__ | I cant ssh into it. |
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| 14:02.06 | valdyn | turner__: what does 'telnet box 22' give ? |
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| 14:02.20 | techouse | and why the hell are all the buttons reversed? in windows firefox cancel is on the right, in linux it's on the left... this screwed me a couple of times |
| 14:02.54 | MikeSeth | I think you have gtk to blame for that |
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| 14:03.00 | stew | techouse: its on the right for me |
| 14:03.00 | liable | probably some patent |
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| 14:03.14 | techouse | i've kdm not gtk :) |
| 14:03.16 | turner__ | valdyn: Nothing |
| 14:03.17 | valdyn | ff does not use standard gtk widgets mostly |
| 14:03.19 | turner__ | doesn't work. |
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| 14:03.31 | valdyn | turner__: alright, so fix your firewall |
| 14:03.55 | turner__ | I dont have a firewall ;) |
| 14:03.56 | valdyn | turner__: 'netstat -plunt | grep sshd' ( as root ) should list the ssh daemon anyway |
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| 14:04.35 | techouse | last time i installed invida drivers and i had to start kdm with startx.... /etc/init.d/kdm start wouldn't go |
| 14:04.42 | turner__ | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 2 |
| 14:04.49 | turner__ | 231/sshd |
| 14:04.58 | valdyn | turner__: so its only on in ipv6? |
| 14:05.14 | turner__ | valdyn: ah, is that what has happened |
| 14:05.17 | turner__ | ? |
| 14:05.20 | turner__ | god. |
| 14:05.21 | stew | that's not ipv6 only |
| 14:05.27 | turner__ | Debian is beginning to piss my off. |
| 14:05.31 | turner__ | lol |
| 14:05.33 | turner__ | *me |
| 14:05.36 | valdyn | turner__: no |
| 14:05.40 | valdyn | turner__: should be for all |
| 14:05.47 | valdyn | turner__: its still your routing / firewall |
| 14:06.05 | turner__ | What, I dont understand. |
| 14:06.13 | turner__ | Sorry for being all N00by on you here. |
| 14:06.14 | turner__ | lol |
| 14:06.38 | valdyn | turner__: you can just run 'ssh localhost' on the server to confirm its working ok |
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| 14:06.58 | turner__ | yeah |
| 14:07.06 | turner__ | it's working on the localhost |
| 14:07.21 | turner__ | ahh |
| 14:07.25 | turner__ | i fixed it. |
| 14:07.25 | stew | and :::22 means its listening on all ips |
| 14:07.45 | turner__ | I was trying to connect as ssh root:10.0.1.197 |
| 14:08.00 | turner__ | as soon as i removed the root at the beginning it started working again |
| 14:08.01 | valdyn | so wrong syntax and wrong user |
| 14:08.03 | turner__ | thanks guys! |
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| 14:08.24 | valdyn | and you lied to me when i asked if the telnet worked |
| 14:08.41 | cahoot | is root acces denied by default now? |
| 14:09.00 | valdyn | cahoot: no idea, but he wont get in with that syntax anyway |
| 14:09.13 | cahoot | no - just wondered wrt root |
| 14:09.21 | liable | cahoot: not yet |
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| 14:10.54 | techouse | hell....compiz really slows down kde |
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| 14:13.51 | techouse | what's wiser to install? apt-get nvidia-glx or the drivers on www.nvidia.com ? |
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| 14:14.49 | DA-Laptop | valdyn, around? |
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| 14:15.31 | Placid | My GFX card is supported in the legacy nvidia drivers (71xx) and I've installed these packages via apt. How can I get my card to be detected? m-a auto-install nvidia worked fine, but I'm getting 'No such device' when modprob'ing the nvidia module. |
| 14:16.08 | cahoot | techouse, if you use nvidias installer you'll have problems reverting to the native state of debian |
| 14:16.17 | techouse | i know |
| 14:16.29 | cahoot | so |
| 14:16.38 | techouse | any way to get the most recent nvidia-glx? backports? |
| 14:17.51 | techouse | what's the gnome equivalent for /etc/init.d/kdm stop ? |
| 14:18.02 | cahoot | gdm |
| 14:18.07 | techouse | oh |
| 14:18.07 | techouse | ok |
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| 14:22.38 | techouse | so what? just install nvidia-glx and then change nv to nvidia in xorg.conf? |
| 14:22.50 | techouse | or will that give an error? |
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| 14:23.40 | ZEA | hello. how do I tell apt-get to download(-only) a package that is already installed? |
| 14:23.59 | schemelab | force-reinstall? |
| 14:24.02 | ZEA | I have cleared my cache so it isn't there |
| 14:24.19 | cahoot | techouse, I use m-a |
| 14:24.20 | stew | ZEA: apt-get -d install packagename |
| 14:24.26 | p_masho | am in the middle of an dist-upgrade, however need to move this machine. Will I have to restart the dist-upgrade or will it resume ? |
| 14:24.45 | stew | ZEA: err, apt-get -d --reinstall install packagename |
| 14:24.52 | techouse | nvidia-glx-config enable not fount?!?! |
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| 14:25.36 | schemelab | stew: man apt-get and apt-get -h do not give any info about --install ... how would we know that? |
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| 14:25.50 | schemelab | oh |
| 14:25.51 | schemelab | never mind |
| 14:25.56 | schemelab | --reinstall is in man apt-get |
| 14:26.05 | ZEA | stew: thanks |
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| 14:27.28 | Silviana | i have created a logical partition (sda5) using cfdisk of 32G, Then i mounted it, and i see it is 7G |
| 14:27.30 | p_masho | Am in the middle of an dist-upgrade (12 hrs to go), however I need to move and reboot this machine. Will I have to restart the dist-upgrade or will it resume ? |
| 14:27.33 | Silviana | why is it? |
| 14:28.23 | stew | p_masho: you will need to restart it manually, but when you do, it will start where it left off |
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| 14:30.07 | xand | p_masho: is it still downloading? if so, when you start it again, it'll download the files it didn't get before |
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| 14:31.01 | p_masho | grea.. thanks all |
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| 14:36.19 | acidchild | hello, i have a box without a cdrom drive, but i do have a bootable 512MB flash card. |
| 14:36.32 | acidchild | i found something online, that uses the iso on the disk for something |
| 14:36.49 | acidchild | but doesn't seem to work, i donno if anyone knows this website i was reading or another way od doing it. |
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| 14:37.17 | liable | acidchild: the install guide tells you how to do it from usb stick |
| 14:37.30 | acidchild | liable: damn google ;/ |
| 14:37.36 | acidchild | my lack of common sence ashames me |
| 14:37.37 | acidchild | heh. |
| 14:37.41 | acidchild | cool cool, thanks. |
| 14:37.57 | liable | np |
| 14:38.01 | acidchild | i just got a realteck Gig-E network card, that debian seems to pick up but not the installer. |
| 14:38.04 | acidchild | so i will keep trying. |
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| 14:38.31 | n00bular | where does math.h come from? |
| 14:38.45 | liable | n00bular: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:39.01 | liable | build-essential should give you it though |
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| 14:39.22 | untitled | hi, i god a problem here with ntp, it just fails to start and doesn't write anything in logfiles... |
| 14:39.28 | untitled | got* :) |
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| 14:40.50 | AnAnt | how do I remove a service in /etc/init.d/ from startup scripts ? For example, I want ddclient *not* to run at startup |
| 14:41.11 | cahoot | man update-rc.d |
| 14:41.30 | liable | AnAnt: or its file in /etc/default/ |
| 14:41.44 | liable | or dpkg-reconfigure it too probably |
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| 14:43.40 | AnAnt | thanks |
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| 14:44.08 | snot | at tty1 on my server miles away I have something running... can I somehow ssh in and see it? |
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| 14:44.31 | liable | if you had started it in screen you could have |
| 14:44.38 | snot | no shit? |
| 14:44.43 | abrotman | !info ttysnoop etch |
| 14:44.49 | dpkg | ttysnoop: (TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.12d-2 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
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| 14:44.57 | abrotman | maybe |
| 14:45.09 | snot | hmmm... maybe :) |
| 14:45.12 | liable | snot: you know what screen is? |
| 14:45.27 | snot | liable: sure mate, but it's not in a screen :) |
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| 14:50.17 | tingle | hi, is there a lighter alternative of gnome-terminal i install a minimal debian but i find xterm too tricky |
| 14:50.25 | tingle | s/too/to/ |
| 14:50.46 | picard_pwns_kirk | tingle: how is xterm tricky? |
| 14:51.27 | Placid | I need the nvidia-legacy-96xx module built in m-a, but it oden'st have it (only 71xx). Any ideas? |
| 14:51.30 | tingle | font type font size getting xterm + irssi whit meta keys |
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| 14:52.00 | techouse | ok....where can I set keyboard shortcuts? |
| 14:52.24 | techouse | i tried in kcontrol without success |
| 14:52.31 | techouse | any commandline trick? |
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| 14:52.45 | tingle | xbindkeys? |
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| 14:54.56 | techouse | hmm....not found... |
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| 14:55.07 | techouse | gotta install that as it seems |
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| 14:55.42 | tingle | techouse: yes you know how? |
| 14:56.47 | n00bular | zomg |
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| 14:58.00 | tingle | so does anyone got a light alternative for gnome-terminal? |
| 14:58.08 | tingle | or a sugestion how i should look for it |
| 14:58.12 | picard_pwns_kirk | google |
| 14:58.23 | picard_pwns_kirk | well, try konsole |
| 14:58.39 | azeem | konsole isn't very lightweight if you're using Gnome |
| 14:58.47 | Ronin | tingle: aterm, eterm hmmm |
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| 14:59.18 | valdyn | tingle: inside which desktop environment? |
| 14:59.43 | tingle | valdyn: evilwm or fluxbox im not sure yet.. |
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| 15:00.43 | wols | mrxvt |
| 15:01.14 | valdyn | tingle: wterm |
| 15:02.00 | valdyn | tingle: mind, your system isnt going to be lightweight as soon as you fall back to individual applications all being individuall light all using different toolkits |
| 15:02.00 | muh2000 | is there a info webside where i can read about basic stuff to switch my debian system into utf8 only? i have kernel nls with utf8, filesystem with convmv etc but stufff like a terminal over ssh with f.e. Putty will give me bs... |
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| 15:02.45 | wols | muh2000: what locale is set? |
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| 15:03.08 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 15:03.19 | nvz_ | ...ladies? |
| 15:03.21 | muh2000 | wols utf8 except LC_ALL= is empty :( |
| 15:03.34 | Slaughter | i find a good OCR for shell |
| 15:03.41 | nvz_ | good for you |
| 15:03.58 | azeem | Slaughter: you found one, or you're looking for one? |
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| 15:04.11 | Slaughter | yes |
| 15:04.15 | nvz | heh |
| 15:04.36 | nvz | Don't ya just love when you try to clear up ambiguity and someone does that |
| 15:04.37 | Slaughter | GOCR doesnt work as well |
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| 15:05.08 | nvz | which is why I took the passive approach and didn't try |
| 15:05.23 | nvz | I figured when they needed help bad enough they'd make sense |
| 15:05.38 | valdyn | nvz: and he's not going to notive |
| 15:06.17 | dto | i can't seem to find the nonfree libmotif packages for debian etch. i have contrib and non-free in my sources.list. googling didn't give a definitive answer... what is the proper Debian Way? |
| 15:06.27 | nvz | notive isn't in my dictionary, did you mean "notice"? |
| 15:06.46 | dto | I say a ah-ah ah ah a-a-a- ah Iiiiiiii wannnnntt the kniiiiife |
| 15:07.43 | nvz | dto: pink floyd? |
| 15:07.56 | valdyn | dto: lesstif / openmotif dont cut it? |
| 15:08.00 | muh2000 | hmmm :/ man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
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| 15:08.08 | sturek_ | hi. why does my dvd-player work 10 times better in windows? in linux its always very slow.... even that I have a super-fast 'puter. |
| 15:08.36 | valdyn | sturek_: bad graphics driver or bad playback program or decent playback program set to wrong output method |
| 15:08.44 | dto | valdyn: i could do openmotif but apt-get can't find it. i can't use lesstif because Snd won't work with it (it's suckage but anyway, i have to deal with it) |
| 15:08.57 | wols | muh2000: how did you set $LANG? |
| 15:09.01 | valdyn | !info libmotif3 |
| 15:09.04 | dpkg | libmotif3: (Open Motif - shared libraries), section non-free/libs, is extra. Version: 2.2.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1255 kB, Installed size: 3052 kB |
| 15:09.13 | sturek_ | valdyn: but I got the driver working and everything. but its so slow. |
| 15:09.23 | valdyn | sturek_: i knew that |
| 15:09.23 | dto | i'm on etch, not sid. |
| 15:09.26 | muh2000 | wols /etc/environment: LANG=de_DE.UTF8 |
| 15:09.26 | dto | should i upgrade to sid? |
| 15:09.39 | liable | no |
| 15:09.47 | wols | !info libmotif3 etch |
| 15:10.08 | valdyn | sturek_: you play the bright guy and tell us a) gfx drivers b) playback program and c) actual gfx hardware |
| 15:10.16 | dto | E: Couldn't find package libmotif3 |
| 15:10.17 | dto | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.25 | valdyn | dto: it's in non-free in sid anyway |
| 15:10.30 | valdyn | !info libmotif3 lenny |
| 15:10.32 | valdyn | !info libmotif3 etch |
| 15:10.35 | dpkg | libmotif3: (Open Motif - shared libraries), section non-free/libs, is extra. Version: 2.2.3-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 1255 kB, Installed size: 3052 kB |
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| 15:10.55 | dto | see |
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| 15:11.43 | dto | so it isn't available for etch. |
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| 15:12.11 | valdyn | dto: you could try backporting ( /msg dpkg simple sid backport ) |
| 15:12.14 | dto | i tried to make my own deb of libmotif3 but it won't even build, i get various errors |
| 15:12.19 | sturek_ | valdyn: just a second. I'll be back. |
| 15:12.36 | dto | valdyn: ah, thank you. i'll try that first. |
| 15:13.31 | dto | valdyn: what precisely should I add to sources.list? it says put a deb-src line for sid, but i only want to do that for this package |
| 15:13.43 | dto | valdyn: sorry, i've never backported before |
| 15:13.49 | valdyn | dto: that's ok, a deb-src line wont mess up anything |
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| 15:13.57 | asg | nvz: it was a Golden Child reference btw |
| 15:14.01 | Danielss89 | hi, can i empty my mailq? |
| 15:14.01 | valdyn | dto: it just makes source code available. |
| 15:14.03 | liable | or just use dget |
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| 15:14.09 | dto | asg: YES! you win the prize! |
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| 15:14.13 | asg | !prize asg |
| 15:14.14 | dto | valdyn: ah |
| 15:14.17 | asg | \o/ |
| 15:14.20 | valdyn | dto: a deb-src line looks exactly like a deb line, where s/deb/deb-src/ |
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| 15:14.53 | dto | valdyn: i put this in: deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 15:15.11 | abrotman | there's a nice mit mirror |
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| 15:15.42 | sturek_ | valdyn: I've got a driver for a "ati mobility radeon x600"-card. and everything else seem to work fine -- except from playing dvds. |
| 15:15.54 | Danielss89 | hmm... |
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| 15:17.32 | muh2000 | when i type in as a normal user "env" the first line shows: MM_CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 so i guess i have to change .bashrc the MM_charset value to "utf8" ?!? |
| 15:17.44 | muh2000 | and additional the same for the skel.. |
| 15:17.54 | loXx | hi, is there a secret in debian for using a network printer via cups? the print-server is configured right and i have another linux-client working, but debian says: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed". any idea? |
| 15:17.58 | Danielss89 | when i type mailq in my ssh client it says 6000 mails is in que.. can i delete all of these? |
| 15:18.27 | dto | valdyn: wow. it works! |
| 15:18.37 | dto | i can't believe i never got into debian before. |
| 15:18.39 | liable | loXx: you used the same url in cups config as the other client? |
| 15:18.45 | loXx | yes |
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| 15:19.06 | liable | did you try it with a http line? |
| 15:20.22 | valdyn | sturek_: im not into pulling everything out of you bit by bit |
| 15:20.29 | loXx | liable: i used "BrowseAddress 192.168.xxx.xxx" in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 15:20.56 | liable | loXx: its ok, you dont need to obscure your class c ip here :) |
| 15:21.03 | sturek_ | valdyn: and I am using the fglrx-driver... |
| 15:21.08 | loXx | liable: and i tried the webinterface |
| 15:21.30 | valdyn | sturek_: playback program = ? |
| 15:21.39 | DawnLight | what are the options for mount to make the whole filesystem owned by a specific user? |
| 15:21.54 | sturek_ | valdyn: xvinfo. gives: screen #0 / no adaptors present / |
| 15:22.01 | liable | loXx: hrm, i am a little rusty with it, but all fails i usually fire up wireshark to see if its announcing itself on the network, and then use that name it announces. |
| 15:22.10 | sturek_ | valdyn: well, ogle, mplayer, vlc.. I've tried them all |
| 15:22.16 | M0useP0t4t0 | mount -o dev,rw /mnt/[name of the device], may be? |
| 15:22.22 | abrotman | DawnLight: man mount |
| 15:22.22 | valdyn | sturek_: i suppose fglrx might not support xv, that's bad, but there's workarounds |
| 15:22.26 | DawnLight | suid, perhaps? |
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| 15:22.40 | valdyn | sturek_: run : "mplayer -vo gl dvd:// |
| 15:23.00 | liable | M0useP0t4t0: uh, no |
| 15:23.04 | DawnLight | abrotman: i'm looking at it |
| 15:23.20 | M0useP0t4t0 | sorry |
| 15:23.26 | Danielss89 | when i type mailq in my ssh client it says 6000 mails is in que.. can i delete all of these? |
| 15:23.26 | M0useP0t4t0 | I'm still learning |
| 15:23.33 | DawnLight | common, give a hint |
| 15:24.00 | valdyn | sturek_: you might need "mplayer -vf scale -vo gl dvd://" |
| 15:24.03 | valdyn | sturek_: try anyway |
| 15:24.08 | liable | M0useP0t4t0: by all means contribute, but try and make sure you are sure the answer is right first :) |
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| 15:24.31 | loXx | liable: where should i use the name? why does the other client work with the same config? |
| 15:24.37 | valdyn | sturek_: but nothing is going to be as high performance as xv, but uh, who cares, i suppose |
| 15:24.58 | liable | loXx: dunno. i guess check the bts first to make sure its not a known bug |
| 15:26.34 | sturek_ | valdyn: its crazy slow. |
| 15:26.47 | valdyn | sturek_: 'glxinfo | grep -i direct' |
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| 15:29.04 | sturek_ | v: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". / direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) / OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 15:29.21 | valdyn | sturek_: so you dont really have the gfx driver installed properly |
| 15:29.33 | loXx | liable: didnt find anything related. i wonder y in debian i must install the printer-driver on the client. on my other machine i only needed to set the ipp-ip. |
| 15:29.40 | sturek_ | valdyn: well that's good news. |
| 15:29.44 | valdyn | sturek_: glxinfo | grep -i renderer |
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| 15:30.19 | sturek_ | valdyn: lib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
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| 15:30.44 | valdyn | sturek_: 'grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf' |
| 15:30.58 | liable | loXx: thats all i do too, just use ipp and postscript |
| 15:31.00 | valdyn | sturek_: do not tell me about kbd or 'mouse', i need the relevant line of those ( i guess 3 ) |
| 15:31.18 | liable | loXx: no need to install the driver |
| 15:31.33 | loXx | liable: webinterface says so |
| 15:31.45 | liable | loXx: use postscript |
| 15:31.52 | sturek_ | valdyn: Driver "vga" / Driver "fglrx" / Option "mtrr" "off" # disable DRI mtrr mapper, driver has its own code for mtrr |
| 15:32.20 | valdyn | !drxx sturek_ |
| 15:32.20 | dpkg | sturek_: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 15:32.55 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 15:32.56 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 15:33.01 | sturek_ | valdyn: what's wrong in the config? the vga driver shouldn't be there or what? |
| 15:33.15 | valdyn | sturek_: it can be tehre, it should not be used |
| 15:33.22 | valdyn | sturek_: i cant tell what is used from those few lines |
| 15:33.30 | liable | why would you convert them with alien? they make debs from the installer with a script |
| 15:33.45 | valdyn | liable: oh, crazy ideas some peopel got about alien and when to use it |
| 15:34.05 | sturek_ | valdyn: ok. thanks for the links and all. |
| 15:34.09 | valdyn | sturek_: you can paste the whole /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for people to look at |
| 15:34.09 | loXx | liable: can you give me more details? |
| 15:34.11 | liable | valdyn: crazy indeed |
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| 15:34.19 | valdyn | sturek_: but drxx might already fix things, who knows |
| 15:34.34 | sturek_ | valdyn: just a sec |
| 15:34.34 | liable | loXx: on my box i just have the ipp url and use postscript as the driver bit |
| 15:34.53 | valdyn | !paste |
| 15:34.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 15:35.24 | sturek_ | (thats what I intend to do...) |
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| 15:36.26 | loXx | liable: i have no postscript driver :( |
| 15:36.41 | liable | loXx: its an option in the web interface |
| 15:36.59 | loXx | liable: cant find it |
| 15:37.04 | sturek_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m2ed9b47c <-- the xorg.conf |
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| 15:38.18 | loXx | liable: only Panasonic and PCPI at the letter P |
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| 15:38.55 | liable | loXx: its there somewhere |
| 15:38.56 | sturek_ | and: http://pastebin.com/m47b6a0c4 (the xorg.log) |
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| 15:41.06 | loXx | liable: do i need extra packages? a2ps or something like that? |
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| 15:41.27 | valdyn | sturek_: run 'modprobe fglrx' |
| 15:41.54 | liable | loXx: i dont think so |
| 15:42.13 | sturek_ | valdyn: bulls eye. FATAL: Module fglrx not found.. |
| 15:42.21 | sturek_ | !@# |
| 15:42.22 | valdyn | sturek_: X seems to be configured corretly, you just do not have the kernel module |
| 15:42.29 | valdyn | sturek_: how did you install that driver? |
| 15:42.47 | sturek_ | long time ago.. so maybe it got removed some time ago. |
| 15:43.03 | sturek_ | I will try to install it again anyhows. |
| 15:43.12 | wols | valdyn: wanna take bets it was via amd/ati installer? |
| 15:43.12 | valdyn | sturek_: oh? long time ago? does that mean the this driver worked till you updated the kernel? |
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| 15:43.40 | valdyn | wols: you win. |
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| 15:44.04 | wols | it's sunday. like fish in a barrel |
| 15:44.06 | sturek_ | valdyn: well, I think I've had it working -- but still, the dvd player have never seem to work properly. |
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| 15:44.33 | valdyn | sturek_: the fix 'mplayer -vf scale -vo gl' still applies |
| 15:44.46 | techouse | Man! I really love Debian! |
| 15:44.51 | gonzaloaf | hi I want to do a script to be able to consult dpkg bot from my command line, i know where is its database of knowledge, but, does every body know where does he get the beginning of the answers? like 'rumour has it, i guess, etc' ? |
| 15:45.03 | sturek_ | valdyn: so you mean when I got the driver working, that command would make the dvd work better? |
| 15:45.16 | valdyn | sturek_: yes |
| 15:45.22 | valdyn | sturek_: that or -vo gl2 |
| 15:45.36 | gpm | gonzaloaf: i think those are determined on the spot |
| 15:45.44 | gpm | from a set of "introductions" |
| 15:45.59 | gonzaloaf | gpm, I know, but where are they? in the same database? |
| 15:46.12 | gpm | presumably, but i don't know :/ |
| 15:46.14 | sturek_ | valdyn: ok, I'm off to get the new driver from http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html --- or isn't possible to apt-get the driver? that's in fact what I've done in the past, when I think about it.... |
| 15:46.28 | muh2000 | why doesnt my system recognize the "umask 077" value" in /etc/login.defs ? |
| 15:46.29 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 15:46.30 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 15:46.41 | valdyn | !info fglrx-source etch |
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| 15:47.12 | liable | loXx: its on the make/manufacturer page of the web interface |
| 15:47.15 | valdyn | !info fglrx-kernel-srce etch |
| 15:47.15 | wols | sturek_: dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 15:47.19 | valdyn | !info fglrx-kernel-src etch |
| 15:47.20 | dpkg | fglrx-kernel-src: (kernel module source for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (etch), Packaged size: 482 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
| 15:47.30 | valdyn | sturek_: its defenitely in etch anyway |
| 15:47.47 | loXx | liable: its missing here ;( |
| 15:47.47 | gpm | hi guys, i'm pretty sure this disc drive is hosed: i put a disc in the drive, try to mount it and it says "no medium found" |
| 15:47.56 | gonzaloaf | who does maintain the dpkg bot? |
| 15:47.59 | gpm | anything else i could try diagnostic-wise |
| 15:48.03 | gpm | gonzaloaf: dondelelcaro |
| 15:48.04 | sturek_ | valdyn: this is what I've been using: xserver-xorg-video-ati -- shouldn't that be enough? |
| 15:48.13 | valdyn | sturek_: if you did indeed install that driver via debian before, then ALL you need to do is 'aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i fglrx' |
| 15:48.14 | gonzaloaf | dondelelcaro, are you there? |
| 15:48.20 | gonzaloaf | gpm, thanks |
| 15:48.21 | wols | sturek_: what videocard/chip? |
| 15:48.26 | valdyn | sturek_: that is a different driver |
| 15:48.39 | sturek_ | oh, hah. and not for the radeon x600? |
| 15:48.49 | valdyn | sturek_: your xorg.log sais that you are using fglrx |
| 15:48.54 | valdyn | sturek_: right, not |
| 15:49.12 | wols | sturek_: dpkg -l |grep fglrx anything showing? |
| 15:49.54 | sturek_ | wols: yes. lots: http://pastebin.com/m76664e45 |
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| 15:50.28 | valdyn | sturek_: just run the abovementioned command |
| 15:50.43 | sturek_ | aptitude....bla? |
| 15:50.45 | sturek_ | ok |
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| 15:51.42 | sturek_ | valdyn: so all the time I've had the driver, but not compiled!? =/ |
| 15:52.26 | sturek_ | (its building now.... thank lord) |
| 15:52.29 | valdyn | sturek_: you had and used the driver, except for the component that provides hardware acceleration |
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| 15:52.49 | wols | sturek_: you got a new kernel that didn't have the needed driver module yet |
| 15:52.58 | wols | something you're changing right now |
| 15:53.07 | sturek_ | holy smokes! and so this means that my dvd-playing will be able to actually play dvds? |
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| 15:53.15 | loXx | liable: after installing a2ps i found it. but nevertheless cups says: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp failed" |
| 15:53.33 | sturek_ | I love this channel, and debian. this is my church. |
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| 15:53.40 | sturek_ | halleluja! |
| 15:53.44 | valdyn | sturek_: dvd playback should hardly noticable strain on a somewhat modern computer |
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| 15:53.57 | valdyn | s/hardly/hardly cause/ |
| 15:54.02 | attunix | who's the bot? |
| 15:54.17 | zythmer | !your factoids |
| 15:54.17 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 15:54.19 | zythmer | ^^^ gonzaloaf |
| 15:54.28 | dto | what is the command that lists UUID's of currently attached devices? |
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| 15:54.33 | dto | for use with fstab etc |
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| 15:54.55 | liable | loXx: what url did you put in the conf? |
| 15:54.58 | sturek_ | ok... I will re-start X. |
| 15:55.01 | simprix | What is the dpkg-reconfigure command to reconfigure the network interface |
| 15:55.12 | attunix | Can I get dpkg to join my channel? |
| 15:55.13 | attunix | :) |
| 15:55.31 | gonzaloaf | zythmer, I want them on my shell, I almost finish the script :p |
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| 15:55.51 | dto | ah, "blkid" |
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| 15:56.12 | loXx | liable: only ip, i guess thats wrong? |
| 15:56.47 | liable | loXx: yeah, it should be like ipp://server-hostname/printers/printername |
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| 15:57.55 | liable | loXx: this is why i sometimes resort to wireshark to see what its announcing on the network |
| 15:58.21 | loXx | liable: ok, i put ipp://192.168.0.123:631/printers/DCP7010 |
| 15:58.29 | loXx | it nearly works |
| 15:58.35 | liable | heh |
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| 15:58.59 | loXx | i selected postscript, but the printer doenst stop to print empty pages ... |
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| 15:59.03 | sturek_ | glxinfo | grep -i renderer --- now gives -- OpenGL renderer string: ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600 --- so now everything should work? |
| 15:59.12 | liable | loXx: eh? |
| 15:59.16 | valdyn | sturek_: ya |
| 15:59.23 | sturek_ | valdyn: thanks!!!!!!1111111 |
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| 16:00.07 | liable | i guess all those 1's and exclamation marks mean he's *very* happy |
| 16:00.12 | techouse | unbelievable! kmplayer plays x264 flawlessly!!!!! aaaaaa! |
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| 16:00.39 | liable | hrm, i am having a dejavu moment |
| 16:00.51 | loXx | liable: i'll try to fix it, the printer just moves the paper (the hole stack) ... funny ;) |
| 16:01.00 | liable | loXx: eek |
| 16:01.20 | techouse | in windows ffdshow was heavy to deal with! i had to use coreavc |
| 16:01.22 | sturek_ | valdyn: my god!!!!! I just mplayer -vf scale -vo gl dvd:// and it works beautifully!!!!!!!!!! this is so cool. |
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| 16:01.26 | loXx | liable: thx in advance ;> |
| 16:01.35 | techouse | debian FTW! |
| 16:01.56 | liable | loXx: good luck with it. you reminded me i need to fix my printing issues :( |
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| 16:02.21 | DawnLight | can anyone feed me the umask for rwrr? i just don't understand it |
| 16:02.27 | techouse | hod do you callibtate yolur printer? |
| 16:02.33 | techouse | your* |
| 16:02.34 | sturek_ | but what's the actuall difference between -vo gl2 and -vo gl? |
| 16:02.37 | techouse | mine's a bit off |
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| 16:02.54 | techouse | callibrate* |
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| 16:03.13 | liable | DawnLight: 3533 |
| 16:03.22 | DawnLight | can anyone feed me the umask for rw-r--r--? i just don't understand it |
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| 16:03.37 | liable | erm |
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| 16:03.49 | liable | DawnLight: 233 |
| 16:04.26 | liable | DawnLight: its the normal octal representation, but subtracted from 7, kinda the reverse of normal |
| 16:04.37 | liable | 777 becomes 000 |
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| 16:04.59 | gonzaloaf | how do you test if a command line parameter its been given? |
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| 16:05.05 | gonzaloaf | in a bash scrip |
| 16:05.12 | liable | gonzaloaf: eh? |
| 16:05.31 | gonzaloaf | how do you test if a command line parameter its been given, in a bash script, I mean the $1, $1, $3... |
| 16:05.36 | liable | gonzaloaf: to a running program? |
| 16:05.44 | gonzaloaf | liable, yes |
| 16:06.05 | gonzaloaf | liable, within a bash script |
| 16:06.35 | liable | cat /proc/<processid>/cmdline |
| 16:06.44 | gonzaloaf | liable, I'm doing a script and I need a command line parameter, but how do I test if its has been given? |
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| 16:07.02 | liable | gonzaloaf: i still dont quite get the question, but i am extroadinarily dumb today |
| 16:07.11 | flagel | I know this is not #ubuntu but I think if there's any chance of getting real help it might be here and not the "how do I remove my screensaver"-channel |
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| 16:07.35 | flagel | I have a script /etc/acpi/resume.d/99-nvclock.sh |
| 16:07.51 | loXx | liable: i still have one question if you dont mind: which driver exactly should i use? i choose generic/Generic PostScript Printer Foomatic/Postscript (recommended). this causes the problems mentioned above. when i install the printer-manufactor driver, nothing works. |
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| 16:08.18 | gonzaloaf | liable, lets say, my script is called, myscript.sh, but for run it needs a parameter, so the correct way to run it is: ./myscript param, now inside my script I want to test is 'param' has been given or not |
| 16:08.26 | zythmer | gonzaloaf: $# is set to the number of command line arguments. |
| 16:08.28 | liable | loXx: i use postscript |
| 16:08.43 | gonzaloaf | zythmer, how do I test them? |
| 16:09.05 | dto | i would like to create a .deb package that does nothing but make sure a bunch of other packages are installed |
| 16:09.10 | flagel | it should work, but it doesn't, the content is only "#!/bin/sh \n /usr/bin/nvclock -n 280 -m 500 >/dev/null 2>&1", doens't do anything tho |
| 16:09.18 | zythmer | What do you mean test? |
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| 16:09.34 | loXx | liable: ok thx, but i dont know where to get this "postscript" driver. i'll search |
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| 16:09.52 | flagel | any idea why? the script does run, nvclock is also +x |
| 16:09.52 | gonzaloaf | zythmer, test if it exists or not |
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| 16:10.12 | mooper | anyone from the UK here connected virgin media broadband cable to linux via the ethernet from the modem? |
| 16:10.24 | mooper | Im not getting an IP address :( |
| 16:12.20 | zythmer | gonzaloaf: Check $#. if [ ! $# = 1 ]; then # error |
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| 16:12.49 | loXx | bye |
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| 16:13.43 | wols | mooper: does your isp use pppoe, dhcp or something else? |
| 16:15.09 | gonzaloaf | zythmer, what about if [ ! -n $1 ] then #error |
| 16:15.40 | liable | lock in 'something else' eddie |
| 16:16.17 | flagel | anyone got a spare minute? |
| 16:16.40 | zythmer | gonzaloaf: Those are checking different things but sure. |
| 16:16.40 | DawnLight | thanks liable |
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| 16:17.05 | nico8481 | hi |
| 16:17.06 | liable | nw |
| 16:17.15 | DawnLight | would've asked you to explain, but i'm lagging |
| 16:17.25 | liable | i did explain ;) |
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| 16:17.38 | DawnLight | i stopped lagging |
| 16:18.52 | mooper | wols: Thats what Im trying to work out |
| 16:19.27 | flagel | can anyone think of any reason this script wouldn't work (it does run, there is created) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41542/ |
| 16:19.33 | nico8481 | how to you actually connect to a bluetooth device? i can render my laptop's BT device visible/invisible via bluetooth-properties, and i've installed obexftp to transfer stuff, but am i not supposed to establish some kind of connection between the laptop and the device before being allowed to use obexftp? can't find how to do this :-/ |
| 16:19.37 | DawnLight | oh i see, liable... i still don't get the octal thing |
| 16:19.48 | mooper | wols: I *think dhcp but dhclient isn't returning anything :( |
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| 16:19.52 | wols | mooper: do you need a username/password? |
| 16:20.13 | mooper | wols: no, yu just plug it in and it works with windows. |
| 16:20.19 | wols | fasta: #debian doesn't do ubuntu support. at all |
| 16:20.31 | wols | mooper: then it should be dhcp, yes |
| 16:20.33 | fasta | wols: ? |
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| 16:20.38 | liable | my brain has gone out to lunch |
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| 16:20.48 | wols | oops. was for flagel, sorry fasta |
| 16:20.48 | DawnLight | bon apetit |
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| 16:21.24 | fasta | If you use Ubuntu, you should be happy to leave this channel alive ;) That's policy. |
| 16:21.33 | wols | mooper: set your /etc/interfaces for dhcp and ifup the interface |
| 16:21.34 | liable | DawnLight: rwx = 7, r-- = 4, -w- = 2, --x = 1 |
| 16:21.35 | flagel | wols: it's not a ubuntu-specific question, just that I'm sick of #ubuntu's "ekiga was the phone software right?" or any other googleble question |
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| 16:21.42 | simonrvn | fasta: o_O |
| 16:21.44 | wols | flagel: it doesn't matter |
| 16:21.47 | wols | !tell flagel about ubuntu |
| 16:22.07 | wols | flagel: we are sick of #ubuntu people coming for support here |
| 16:22.17 | stew | flagel: i don't see any reason why that wouldn't work |
| 16:22.22 | flagel | wols: I understand |
| 16:22.26 | liable | DawnLight: read=4 write=2 execute=1 add em up and you get 7, umask is the opposite |
| 16:22.31 | flagel | stew: thanks |
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| 16:22.55 | stew | flagel: #bash is probably the best place for such a question |
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| 16:23.08 | mooper | wols: there is no file /etc/interfaces |
| 16:23.12 | flagel | stew: thanks again |
| 16:23.23 | HardDisk_WP | argh |
| 16:23.25 | wols | mooper: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:23.39 | HardDisk_WP | how do I create a fake package named libglib1.2? |
| 16:23.48 | HardDisk_WP | it's replaced by libglib1.2ldbl |
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| 16:23.56 | HardDisk_WP | but nerolinux needs just libglib1.2 |
| 16:24.05 | liable | !equivs |
| 16:24.05 | dpkg | somebody said equivs was a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 16:24.10 | HardDisk_WP | tx |
| 16:24.11 | atoponce | anyone know when the 2.6.23 kernel will come down the pipe on sid? |
| 16:24.19 | wols | atoponce: !wir |
| 16:24.36 | liable | hehe |
| 16:24.44 | atoponce | really? |
| 16:24.54 | liable | yes |
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| 16:25.33 | Arme[N] | when I try to mount NFS server I got this errro "RPC Error: 15 ( Program not registered )" my hosts.allow in server side is ALL:ALL and hosts.deny is empty and output of rpcinfo -p | grep nfs is empty /etc/exports file contains "/data 192.168.1.2(rw)", how can I find out what is the problem? |
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| 16:25.43 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 16:25.49 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.1, snapshot: 2.6.23-git16, 2.4: 2.4.35.3, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-mm1 |
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| 16:26.18 | wols | Arme[N]: sounds like a portmap issue |
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| 16:26.41 | Duzchip | Hi, is there a special developers package i need to install in debian to get the compilers and stuff? |
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| 16:26.51 | wols | !b-e Duzchip |
| 16:26.51 | dpkg | Duzchip: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 16:26.56 | Duzchip | when i'm trying to run "make all" on a package it says it cant find cc |
| 16:27.12 | wols | Duzchip: why are you compiling from source btw? |
| 16:27.15 | Duzchip | aaah, probably, thanks |
| 16:27.22 | Duzchip | its a special driver for my webcam |
| 16:27.35 | Duzchip | logitech quickcam express |
| 16:27.48 | cahoot | uvcvideo? |
| 16:27.52 | wols | you will also need kernel headers most likely for your vernel |
| 16:27.58 | wols | *kernel |
| 16:28.19 | simonrvn | vernel, short for kernerl version |
| 16:28.24 | simonrvn | kernel* |
| 16:28.27 | fasta | Does wget have an option to only download stuff under a certain directory recursively (-r)? I don't want it to include all kinds of stuff that are not located below that directory. |
| 16:28.31 | Arme[N] | wols: rpcinfo -p shows portmapper is this tel you something? |
| 16:28.42 | Duzchip | aaah, thanks |
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| 16:28.57 | simonrvn | wols, you just made up a word ;p |
| 16:29.12 | wols | yay me! |
| 16:29.18 | Duzchip | i get like 11,000 errors when trying to compile the webcam-driver |
| 16:29.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:29.23 | moope1 | wols: that has not made any difference :( |
| 16:29.27 | wols | if you keep a close watch I do it all the time |
| 16:29.34 | cahoot | Duzchip, already checked if modulea-assistant is no option for the driver? |
| 16:29.38 | simonrvn | CharmintheMoose: moose dinner? yes, they're very tasty ;) |
| 16:29.50 | Duzchip | cahoot: huh? :D |
| 16:30.01 | cahoot | uvcvideo? Duzchip |
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| 16:30.04 | liable | seems its catchy |
| 16:30.20 | Duzchip | http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:30.22 | Duzchip | not uvcvideo |
| 16:30.26 | moope1 | wols: Im still not getting an IP address |
| 16:30.53 | Duzchip | "/home/david/qc-usb-0.6.5/quickcam.h:79:26: error: linux/config.h: File or Dir does not exist" |
| 16:30.58 | Duzchip | D'oh |
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| 16:31.21 | wols | moope1: the windows machine that works and the debian that doesn't: are they the same physical machine and network adapter? |
| 16:31.29 | wols | Duzchip: I told you |
| 16:31.33 | liable | i have found dhcp-client to fail recently whereas dhcp3-client not |
| 16:31.46 | moope1 | no |
| 16:31.50 | wols | liable: shouldn't matter with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:31.59 | wols | moope1: that's your problem. different MACs on those NICs |
| 16:32.03 | simonrvn | it's been recommended to use dhcp3* anyway |
| 16:32.08 | liable | wols: of course, it still uses the default client |
| 16:32.11 | moope1 | wols: the mac is on the modem |
| 16:32.17 | Duzchip | wols: i have installed the linux-headers |
| 16:32.22 | liable | simonrvn: but its not installed by default |
| 16:32.31 | simonrvn | should be :/ |
| 16:32.33 | wols | moope1: if with cable, one NIC works and the other doesn't, it's the MAC that is checked |
| 16:32.55 | xand | not necessarily. |
| 16:33.09 | moope1 | wols: the mac address is on the modem, we havent registered the mac address on the winblows machine to the cable comapny, only the mac address of the modem |
| 16:33.10 | wols | Duzchip: I didn't say linux-headers. I said < wols> you will also need kernel headers most likely for your vernel |
| 16:33.33 | Duzchip | linux-headers = kernel headers ? |
| 16:33.33 | liable | could've fixed the typo! |
| 16:33.36 | Duzchip | or != |
| 16:33.36 | wols | Duzchip: linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 16:33.43 | wols | != |
| 16:34.08 | Duzchip | i'm running linux-2.6.22-2-k7 and i installed linux-header-2.6.22-2-k7 |
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| 16:34.27 | Duzchip | and when i run "make" it says its finding the headers but still errors |
| 16:34.30 | horde | what's the command to create a random size file? |
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| 16:35.12 | Batchy | iirc linux/config.h is deprecated |
| 16:35.22 | akos | hello! can anyone help me make the linux installer mount my FAT filesystem? I think the problem is that the vfat module doesn't get loaded, but I doubt that it wouldn't include it |
| 16:35.26 | wols | Batchy: afaik you're right |
| 16:35.41 | wols | akos: why do you want to mount it? |
| 16:35.43 | xand | akos: why do you want to? |
| 16:35.46 | wols | in the installer that is |
| 16:36.21 | moope1 | wols, Im sure that the mac address is not the issue, can you suggest any thing else to try? |
| 16:36.34 | wols | moope1: use a livecd on the windows machine |
| 16:36.38 | wols | check if it works there |
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| 16:36.59 | wols | moope1: cause according to google it is an issue |
| 16:37.16 | xand | change the MAC address of the NIC |
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| 16:37.32 | akos | xand, because the flash has the installation files... i don't have a CD, so I'm doing the install off a usb pen drive |
| 16:37.41 | fasta | Never mind |
| 16:37.47 | akos | wols, |
| 16:37.51 | xand | akos: how did you start the installer then? |
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| 16:38.06 | wols | akos: the install guide tells you how to do this (installing from a flash disk) |
| 16:38.06 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:38.13 | wols | xand: floppy most likely |
| 16:38.20 | Ace2016 | i'm copying /usr back from the disks to my laptop now |
| 16:38.24 | wols | !tell akos about ig |
| 16:38.37 | akos | wols, yes it does, but the way they described there i get a "Mounting /dev/sda1 on /cdrom failed: No such device???" |
| 16:38.38 | moope1 | wols, it is not the mac address on the machine that the cable company sees. We have a cable modem with a mac address that we had to register with the cable company. I have had it working on this debian machine but It doesnt want to work now. |
| 16:39.05 | akos | huh? |
| 16:39.33 | akos | but the device exists, and even cat /dev/sda1 spits out some meaningful (well more or less :) ) data |
| 16:40.00 | akos | xand, wols btw, i booted off the usb pen drive |
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| 16:40.25 | wols | akos: fdisk -l |
| 16:40.33 | akos | the boot loader could read from the pen drive, but after loading the kernel it seemed to stop working |
| 16:40.34 | Ace2016 | could you change your computers network card's mac address to that of the router like i did when my system gave an error about the mac address not being detected |
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| 16:40.45 | niuq | how is the performance of debian compared with mandriva? |
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| 16:40.50 | Ace2016 | i mean edit it in interfaces |
| 16:40.52 | akos | wols, already tried, no fdisk supplied with the installer |
| 16:41.01 | linux26 | Can the displaying of Tux during system boot be easily enabled (i.e. without configuring the kernel et. all)? |
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| 16:41.09 | linux26 | niuq: great |
| 16:41.12 | akos | wols, there should be a replacement, but i don't know which... maybe you know some alternatives |
| 16:41.25 | wols | cfdisk |
| 16:41.44 | wols | but not sure if that's in etch installer anymore. it was in woody iirc |
| 16:41.53 | Duzchip | "insmod: error inserting './quickcam.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module" ?? |
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| 16:41.57 | akos | nope |
| 16:41.58 | Duzchip | any idea there |
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| 16:42.09 | Ace2016 | you know i had this graet idea of creating a gentoo chroot environment just for kernel compiling and stuff, that'd be the best, then you get cool gentoo stuff like gensplash |
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| 16:42.23 | Batchy | Duzchip: dmesg should give you more info |
| 16:42.23 | xand | Ace2016: no |
| 16:42.24 | liable | yikes |
| 16:42.40 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: you can use genpatches if you want anyway |
| 16:42.48 | Ace2016 | whats wrong with that? seemed like a great idea? i have a feeling you want to do it all the debian way |
| 16:42.51 | akos | wols, that's not it :| |
| 16:42.52 | jsumners | can anyone make sense of this logrotate crash -- http://rafb.net/p/TFQmGB53.nln.html |
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| 16:42.59 | Duzchip | didn't have the cam hocked-in when i started the computer so it shouldn't show in dmesg or am i wrong? |
| 16:43.05 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: Just get the tarball from their site - and use make-kpkg as normal |
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| 16:43.13 | graytron | what do i need to make Sun Java 2 SDK 1.4.2 update 16's Java Plugin to work on Iceweasel in Debian Etch? |
| 16:43.20 | wols | akos: cat /proc/partitions |
| 16:43.36 | wols | !tell graytron about java install |
| 16:43.38 | akos | hda hda1..4, sda, sda1 |
| 16:43.57 | graytron | wols: say again |
| 16:44.02 | Batchy | Duzchip: dmesg should tell you what symbol were not defined |
| 16:44.09 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.20 | wols | directhex: PS2 linux couldn't access the emotion engine |
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| 16:44.23 | wols | oops |
| 16:44.25 | wols | !tell graytron about java install |
| 16:44.50 | graytron | still no messages from dpkg :( |
| 16:44.53 | akos | wols, hda hda1..4, sda, sda1 , however cat /proc/filesystems does NOT include vfat |
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| 16:45.50 | Ace2016 | oh sweet it extracted, so far so good |
| 16:46.19 | fasta | "Debian will remain 100% free" (from the Social Contract). Then why are there non-free sections too? |
| 16:46.20 | wols | akos: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 16:46.23 | graytron | wols: there's only stuff about java5 and java6, but i'd like to know if it is possible to run java 1.4.2 on etch |
| 16:46.30 | Duzchip | Batchy: http://pastebin.org/5508 |
| 16:46.34 | wols | akos: and there will be NO fat partition on that memory stick anymore |
| 16:46.35 | nvz | is one fl oz of water the same weight as 1oz of solid? |
| 16:46.38 | fasta | I use those non-free sections too, but it seems a little odd. |
| 16:46.40 | xand | fasta: they're "conveniently" not considered part of debian |
| 16:46.48 | wols | graytron: sure, get an old version. maybe froms arge |
| 16:47.04 | wols | fasta: non-free is not part of debian. nor is contrib |
| 16:47.11 | fasta | xand: they come from Debian servers, so that's very "convenient". |
| 16:47.32 | akos | wols, will this work with ubuntu gitsy also? |
| 16:47.41 | fasta | !ubuntu |
| 16:47.41 | wols | akos: no clue and I don't care |
| 16:47.41 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 16:48.31 | akos | wols, ok thx |
| 16:49.06 | Duzchip | Batchy: any clues? |
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| 16:49.22 | fasta | wols: I guess it depends on what "the Debian system" means. |
| 16:49.37 | wols | fasta: main, and main only |
| 16:49.45 | Arme[N] | when I try to mount NFS server I got this errro "RPC Error: 15 ( Program not registered )" my hosts.allow in server side is ALL:ALL and hosts.deny is empty and output of rpcinfo -p | grep nfs is empty /etc/exports file contains "/data 192.168.1.2(rw)", how can I find out what is the problem, is there any manual? |
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| 16:50.08 | Batchy | Duzchip: you need to load the module for video4linux, but i don't know its name |
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| 16:50.40 | Duzchip | oki, thanks |
| 16:50.44 | larsl` | I have almost half a gigabyte in /usr/share/locales - is there a way to get rid of that without breaking the package system? I only use English. |
| 16:51.17 | wols | Laser: dpkg-reconfigure locales. how many of those are selected? |
| 16:51.28 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have added this line to ~/.bash_profile file, 'export PATH=$PATH:/home/gonzalo/scripts' but still dont see the path modified, I have re-logged with 'su gonzalo' even |
| 16:51.31 | nico8481 | anyone having any luck retrieving files from a mobile phone to etch via bluetooth? |
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| 16:52.19 | liable | gonzaloaf: your home path is already there anyway.. |
| 16:52.34 | larsl` | wols: en_US.UTF-8, no others. |
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| 16:53.35 | larsl` | wols: But /usr/share/locales contains lots of data for other languages. |
| 16:53.54 | wols | larsl`: what debian version btw? |
| 16:53.54 | graytron | nico8481: i had such luck |
| 16:54.06 | gonzaloaf | liable, what? |
| 16:54.09 | larsl` | wols: Current Testing. |
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| 16:54.29 | Ace2016 | ok i've extracted everything to /opt/ubuntu, so it should in my theory work perfectly now |
| 16:54.35 | nico8481 | graytron, may i ask which charm you did use? |
| 16:54.37 | cahoot | larsl`, localepurge might be for you |
| 16:54.43 | gonzaloaf | liable, I want to add a directory to my path |
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| 16:55.12 | Ace2016 | bye all |
| 16:55.23 | Duzchip | hmm, Batchy, nu försökte jag använda gqcam som program för att hämta bilder från kameran men den säger bara att den inte hittar /dev/video |
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| 16:55.35 | Duzchip | några förslag där? kanske på lösningar eller annat program att använda? |
| 16:55.38 | liable | Duzchip: engrish here |
| 16:55.49 | joey[] | hello, how do I upgrade my python2.4 package to python2.5 on debian? apt-get upgrade python2.5? or? |
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| 16:56.10 | graytron | nico8481: bluez-utils , "hcitool scan" , l2ping , "sdptool search --bdaddr <bluetooth address>" and kdebluetooth |
| 16:56.22 | graytron | nico8481: oh, and konqueror |
| 16:56.29 | Duzchip | oh sorry, hehe |
| 16:56.34 | nico8481 | hum... thanks :) |
| 16:56.58 | nico8481 | graytron, any idea how to do it with gnome? |
| 16:57.00 | Duzchip | Batchy: not i tried using gqcam as a klient to get the images from the webcam but it complains about not finding /dev/video |
| 16:57.11 | Duzchip | any suggestions about why or maybe of another program? |
| 16:57.32 | graytron | nico8481: bluez-gnome |
| 16:57.43 | larsl` | "Total disk space freed by localepurge: 441500K" |
| 16:57.46 | larsl` | cahoot: Thanks! |
| 16:58.20 | larsl` | That got my system partition from 97% used to 90%. |
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| 16:58.25 | ricardo | hi , how do I force a misbehaving program to quit from the conmmand line. |
| 16:58.37 | pumpkin0 | ricardo: kill -9 pid |
| 16:58.42 | graytron | without -9 |
| 16:58.44 | gonzaloaf | how to add a directory to my user's path? |
| 16:58.44 | dto | ricardo: you could do "killall <name>" |
| 16:58.47 | cahoot | Duzchip, is /dev/video0 created? |
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| 16:59.08 | ricardo | ok so i need to find the pid then use kill |
| 16:59.10 | Duzchip | cahoot: nope |
| 16:59.19 | nico8481 | graytron, i'm using it, but i can't figure how to establish a connection nor retrieve stuff via bluez-gnome |
| 16:59.25 | Batchy | Duzchip: does dmesg say something ? |
| 16:59.36 | cahoot | Duzchip, the my guess is the driver isn't fully operational |
| 16:59.44 | pumpkin0 | ricardo: ps aux | grep <name> (or killall if you don't have the same thing running twice) |
| 16:59.45 | dto | gonzaloaf: probably in ~/.bash_profile |
| 16:59.56 | dto | gonzaloaf: or .bashrc actually |
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| 17:00.05 | Duzchip | http://pastebin.org/5509 |
| 17:00.23 | Duzchip | seems like its finding the cam alright |
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| 17:01.06 | larsl` | Webcams are some of the most frustrating devices to get to work. |
| 17:01.13 | ricardo | thanks im ready to kill |
| 17:01.21 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell apt to ignore the faulty condition of nerolinux package? |
| 17:01.30 | larsl` | You'd think the industry could get its act together and come up with a standard, like the USB audio people did. |
| 17:01.35 | Duzchip | larsl`: so i've noticed |
| 17:01.39 | simonrvn | HardDisk_WP: you don't. you fix it |
| 17:01.54 | fyrestrtr | question regarding terminal emulation/modes -- I am ssh'ing into a debian box from Windows, and my Window SSH client sets the terminal mode as 'Linux', however when I hit backspace in some programs, it gives me ^H (highly frustrating, especially when I'm in a python prompt). What terminal mode should I set so all my 'special' keys will work? |
| 17:01.56 | graytron | nico8481: you could use obexftp to send / receive files, like "obexftp -b <bluetooth address" -c C: -p <file to send>". i don't know any gnome tools for that |
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| 17:02.01 | HardDisk_WP | simonrvn, nerolinux depends on libglib1.2 which got replaced by libglib1.2ldbl |
| 17:02.04 | wols | simonrvn: yay closes source shit |
| 17:02.15 | wols | HardDisk_WP: you've been told. equivs |
| 17:02.19 | simonrvn | . !yay |
| 17:02.20 | HardDisk_WP | wols, dont work |
| 17:02.22 | Enverex | Ok, seems the radeonhd driver doesn't work on the X1700 Mobility... |
| 17:02.23 | HardDisk_WP | colliding |
| 17:02.27 | wols | HardDisk_WP: you aremistaken |
| 17:02.27 | nico8481 | graytron, and konqueror can browse it like a graphical FTP client? |
| 17:02.36 | graytron | nico8481: yep |
| 17:02.38 | wols | HardDisk_WP: colliding with what? |
| 17:02.52 | HardDisk_WP | wols, selfmade libglib1.2 colliding with libglib1.2ldbl |
| 17:02.56 | nico8481 | graytron, nice... what url do you connect to? |
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| 17:03.05 | wols | HardDisk_WP: you aren't suppoed to make a .so glib.... |
| 17:03.11 | HardDisk_WP | of course not |
| 17:03.18 | HardDisk_WP | nerolinux works well without the dummy pkg |
| 17:03.20 | wols | you are supposed to provide a package. equivs packages have no content... |
| 17:03.23 | HardDisk_WP | yea |
| 17:03.42 | HardDisk_WP | as said, nero works without this package perfectly |
| 17:03.43 | graytron | nico8481: sdp://bluetooth_device_name/ |
| 17:03.52 | nico8481 | thanks |
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| 17:04.26 | nico8481 | graytron, i guess the device name has to be known by your debian system somehow? |
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| 17:04.49 | graytron | nico8481: well, as long as your bluetooth device is visible and you know its name, yes |
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| 17:05.43 | nico8481 | graytron, you mean the hexadecimal name? like the one "sdptool" finds? |
| 17:05.58 | graytron | nico8481: you can also try "sdp://[bluetooth address]/" (with []'s)( |
| 17:06.10 | nico8481 | ok |
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| 17:06.24 | vigilant | hello |
| 17:06.31 | fyrestrtr | nico8481: are you just trying to do file transfer? |
| 17:06.36 | nico8481 | ah damn, konqueror protocol not supported |
| 17:06.41 | nico8481 | fyrestrtr, yep |
| 17:06.52 | fyrestrtr | why don't you use the bluetooth file transfer client for gnome? |
| 17:07.01 | nico8481 | fyrestrtr, but in a browsable way if possible |
| 17:07.01 | fyrestrtr | instead of doing this sdp:// magic. |
| 17:07.06 | nico8481 | fyrestrtr, which one would that be? |
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| 17:07.15 | fyrestrtr | let me look up the one I use. |
| 17:07.17 | yurimxpxman | are there any AVCHD codecs for GNU/Linux? |
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| 17:07.34 | graytron | nico8481: do you have kdebluetooth installed? |
| 17:07.43 | Enverex | AVCHD? |
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| 17:07.54 | jelly-home | yurimxpxman: I have no idea what those are, but try asking in #mplayer |
| 17:08.03 | fyrestrtr | I believe its called gnome-bluetooth (sorry, not on my box) |
| 17:08.19 | fyrestrtr | oh wait -- you are on KDE. |
| 17:08.31 | fyrestrtr | I don't do KDE. |
| 17:08.34 | wols | Enverex: I guess he means h.264 |
| 17:08.39 | jelly-home | kbluetoothd then |
| 17:08.48 | larsl` | "6GB ought to be enough for anybody!" |
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| 17:09.00 | wols | larsl`: for / it usually is |
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| 17:09.10 | Enverex | yurimxpxman, If you mean h.264 then most things support it |
| 17:09.24 | vigilant | What is a security tool for debian that i should install? And learn from it, like how to monitor outgoing and incoming traffic? |
| 17:09.26 | vigilant | any tool? |
| 17:09.32 | yurimxpxman | Enverex: yeah, I wasn't sure if it was the same literal codec or not |
| 17:09.38 | Enverex | vigilant, iptraf |
| 17:09.41 | fyrestrtr | vigilant: ethereal |
| 17:09.57 | fyrestrtr | vigilant: jnettop if you are multi-homed |
| 17:09.58 | yurimxpxman | Enverex: my friend's camera shoots AVCHD, so I wanted to make sure I could read it before he sends it to me |
| 17:10.05 | vigilant | thanksa lot |
| 17:10.09 | vigilant | guyz |
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| 17:11.47 | nico8481 | graytron, seems to work now... thx |
| 17:12.01 | transvaal_ | did anyone got nvidia binaries working with xen? i need some light.. |
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| 17:12.21 | nico8481 | fyrestrtr, nope, i'm using gnome actually... but there is no gnome-bluetooth for stable :( |
| 17:12.27 | Duzchip | i ran : # mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
| 17:12.40 | mortal1 | I'm setting up cron, could someone tell me what dow sunday is? is it 0 or 7? |
| 17:12.51 | Duzchip | and chmoded it with a+r and made a symlink named /dev/video pointing at /dev/video0 |
| 17:13.01 | fyrestrtr | nico8481: compile it? :D |
| 17:13.05 | Duzchip | but when i try to run gqcam it says there is no such device /dev/video |
| 17:13.14 | Duzchip | i found in some guide i should do it that way |
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| 17:13.34 | abrotman | mortal1: man 5 crontab |
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| 17:14.05 | nico8481 | fyrestrtr, that's an idea :) |
| 17:14.14 | simonrvn | it's an abrotman! |
| 17:14.24 | mortal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.24 | abrotman | hi |
| 17:14.26 | mortal1 | lol |
| 17:14.31 | simonrvn | hey |
| 17:14.36 | mortal1 | so it's either 0, or it's 7 |
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| 17:14.46 | mortal1 | the man has no idea which :) |
| 17:14.54 | abrotman | it told you |
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| 17:15.10 | nico8481 | graytron, uuh... dumb question probably but how do you retrieve them? drag&drop does not seem to work and i don't see any "get/save/whatever" option in the menus :-/ |
| 17:15.14 | mortal1 | 7 is sun? |
| 17:15.15 | transvaal_ | is there a .deb you repository for nvidia binary for XEN |
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| 17:15.24 | mortal1 | they could word that clearer... |
| 17:15.28 | larsl` | mortal: How many numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7? |
| 17:15.30 | nico8481 | graytron, copy/paste doesn't seem to work neither |
| 17:15.45 | mortal1 | 7 |
| 17:16.03 | graytron | nico8481: it's silly, you need to "Paste URL" |
| 17:16.06 | mortal1 | crap now I'm really confused, damn array indexing |
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| 17:16.10 | graytron | nico8481: after copying it |
| 17:16.15 | pumpkin0 | mortal1: and how many days are in a week ? |
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| 17:16.19 | Arme[N] | when I try to mount NFS server I got this errro "RPC Error: 15 ( Program not registered )" my hosts.allow in server side is ALL:ALL and hosts.deny is empty and output of rpcinfo -p | grep nfs is empty /etc/exports file contains "/data 192.168.1.2(rw)", how can I find out what is the problem, is there any manual? |
| 17:16.21 | graytron | nico8481: or cutting it |
| 17:16.32 | mortal1 | pumpkin0: so there is no day 0? |
| 17:16.39 | abrotman | wow |
| 17:16.50 | abrotman | use 0 or 7 |
| 17:16.52 | mortal1 | well...i'm thinking arrays here |
| 17:16.52 | nico8481 | graytron, doesn't work :-/ |
| 17:16.56 | mortal1 | oh |
| 17:17.09 | graytron | nico8481: can you see the contents though? |
| 17:17.20 | nico8481 | graytron, oh i get it... it's probably because i cut from a KDE app and try to paste to a gnome one :-/ |
| 17:17.25 | nico8481 | graytron, yep i can |
| 17:17.33 | mortal1 | this is what C has done to me, I've lost all track of number systems |
| 17:17.47 | graytron | nico8481: it only works inside konqueror :/ |
| 17:17.56 | larsl` | The 0 is for the calendarily challenged who think that weeks begin on sundays. |
| 17:17.59 | nico8481 | graytron, indeed it works now... thanks |
| 17:18.03 | pumpkin0 | mortal1: the system may count from 0 to 6 or from 1 to 7. Since it always uses i mod 7, 7 = 0 |
| 17:18.09 | nico8481 | next step i'm trying to make it work via gnome tools :) |
| 17:18.25 | mortal1 | i see |
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| 17:18.54 | Mauna_Loa | hi all |
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| 17:19.35 | gonzaloaf | how do I avoid run a script without putting its extension and just its name? I mean just 'myscript' instead './myscript.sh' ? |
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| 17:19.49 | abrotman | mortal1: you can use 0 or 7 .. both will work |
| 17:20.38 | larsl` | gonzaloaf: Rename it. |
| 17:20.39 | hardcampa | gonzaloaf linux have never bothered about extensions |
| 17:20.43 | liable | gonzaloaf: remove the .sh extension from it |
| 17:21.23 | hardcampa | you deside what script it is by adding #!/bin/sh for example as the first line of the script |
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| 17:21.28 | hardcampa | decide even| |
| 17:21.29 | mortal1 | abrotman: yeah I understand now, ty |
| 17:21.50 | neotic | gonzaloaf: chmod +x :) etc |
| 17:22.52 | larsl` | neotic: That doesn't make any difference. |
| 17:23.09 | larsl` | neotic: If it wasn't already executable you couldn't do ./myscript.sh |
| 17:23.33 | neotic | larsl`: i know, i added to hardcampa. |
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| 17:27.07 | acidchild | hello, everytime i try doing apt-get install gcc |
| 17:27.14 | acidchild | it trys to download from /media (cdrom) |
| 17:27.23 | acidchild | this is a netinstall version, why is it doing that? |
| 17:27.30 | abrotman | acidchild: comment out the cdrom sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 17:27.37 | acidchild | thank you. |
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| 17:30.48 | eth01 | xenman? |
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| 17:33.45 | fiddles | hey guys |
| 17:34.21 | cartesian1984 | Trying to modprobe fglrx here, and I get "operation not permitted." No idea why, I am root... |
| 17:34.23 | fiddles | anyone know if it spossible to downgrade firmware for a wireless pcmcia card in debian? |
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| 17:38.47 | martman | i just installed DDD with apt but it doesnt seem to have a entry in the menu. is their a easy way to get one there? |
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| 17:39.37 | abrotman | cartesian1984: did you compile your own kernel? |
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| 17:39.54 | cartesian1984 | abrotman: nope, I'm using the .22-686 in Debian. |
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| 17:42.19 | keith4_ | is there an official package for the 3ware utilities? |
| 17:43.03 | linux26 | Is MPlayer considered obsolete or something? Do better alternatives exist? (I need access to proprietary formats and DVD playing capabilities, using XFCE4) |
| 17:43.06 | cartesian1984 | keith4_: I'm not sure myself, but there doesn't appear to be. |
| 17:43.30 | liable | Malmsdoom: no, depends, vlc is good |
| 17:43.34 | amphi | linux26: no - I use mplayer exclusively |
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| 17:44.49 | Malmsdoom | liable: I'm sure you wanted to write to write to another person... |
| 17:45.08 | nameless | linux26: mplayer is the best :O |
| 17:45.25 | liable | Malmsdoom: yep, sorry. not even the right initial of the nick.. |
| 17:45.31 | linux26 | mplayer is not very freebsd friendly |
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| 17:45.45 | Malmsdoom | liable: np |
| 17:46.11 | nameless | linux26: mplayer -dvd-device <path> |
| 17:46.21 | amphi | linux26: why would it be different in X on bsd? |
| 17:46.38 | linux26 | w32codecs |
| 17:46.54 | h3sp4wn | linux26: Its not very solaris friendly either but it can be made to work |
| 17:47.09 | linux26 | well nobody actually uses solaris |
| 17:47.17 | linux26 | I'm sorry, I'm just joking |
| 17:47.23 | linux26 | boredom and such |
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| 17:47.47 | Nyle | hi |
| 17:47.51 | wietz0r | hi |
| 17:48.05 | h3sp4wn | linux26: I think the only thing it needs is to be using binutils (not the bsd ones or solaris ones) |
| 17:48.34 | simonrvn | ih |
| 17:48.38 | linux26 | the real question is: ssmtp+mutt or msmtp+mutt, I can't remember which was the lightest of the two (ssmtp/msmtp) |
| 17:48.54 | linux26 | h3sp4wn: do you run solaris? |
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| 17:49.01 | Nyle | hey simon whats goin on |
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| 17:49.14 | simonrvn | starting up emacs |
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| 17:49.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: time to make the donuts |
| 17:49.47 | simonrvn | and wondering why it's puking |
| 17:49.48 | h3sp4wn | linux26: totally offtopic here but desktop does (have a debian laptop and colo server) |
| 17:49.55 | xann | Hi, I'm trying to install psyBNC on debian , I'm getting this error: "This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work." however I don't know which to ncurses package to pick when using "apt-cache search ncurses", can anybody point out? |
| 17:50.03 | linux26 | h3sp4wn: ok |
| 17:50.04 | abrotman | libncurses-dev |
| 17:50.12 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 17:50.18 | simonrvn | error: Lisp nesting exceeds `max-lisp-eval-depth' |
| 17:50.19 | linux26 | psybnc is evil |
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| 17:50.33 | Nyle | simonrvn, you program in lisp? |
| 17:50.41 | Nyle | or just ... |
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| 17:51.05 | simonrvn | eh, not really. like all the other languages i know, i have a beginner's grasp of it |
| 17:51.06 | xann | linux26: "libncurses5 - Shared libraries for terminal handling" would that one work? or rather: "libncurses5-dev - Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses" |
| 17:51.11 | |Max_-| | Weird problem here, in KDE, when I click to "Adjust Time & Date..." in the Clock's menu, it asks for the root password because it need those privileges to change date/time... But whatever the password I enter, it's not the good one... (there's only one on this machine, anyway.) Anything to do to fix this? |
| 17:51.22 | abrotman | xann: i said libncurses5-dev |
| 17:51.32 | Nyle | he needs libnurses dev package |
| 17:51.34 | liable | xann: the first depends on the second |
| 17:51.52 | liable | xann: its the second you really need though |
| 17:51.55 | xann | so I should install the -dev ones first? |
| 17:51.56 | xann | ok thanks |
| 17:51.57 | simonrvn | the 2nd deps on the first, but anyway |
| 17:52.03 | xann | ? |
| 17:52.06 | xann | ok well |
| 17:52.10 | xann | I'm going to install the -dev one |
| 17:52.16 | simonrvn | regardless, you still need it |
| 17:52.21 | xann | I see :) |
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| 17:52.24 | xann | ok thanks guys, will try |
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| 17:52.43 | simonrvn | the -dev will pull in the non -dev, you don't have a choice ;) |
| 17:52.51 | xann | working great with the -dev ones |
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| 17:52.57 | xann | haha ok |
| 17:53.02 | xann | great apt system , I love it :p^ |
| 17:53.06 | xann | hard to go wrong with it :') |
| 17:53.16 | linux26 | uhum |
| 17:53.25 | jelly-home | liable: you'll never be a wonderwoman! |
| 17:53.32 | liable | hah |
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| 17:53.42 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:53.43 | liable | that actually made me lol! |
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| 17:55.20 | simpletron | hi all |
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| 17:58.06 | bulio | I have two servers running debian etch |
| 17:58.28 | bulio | is there a way I can create a software raid so that a certain folder gets synced between the two machines? |
| 17:58.34 | robboplus | is it normal to see some "alien" IP in arp -n list? |
| 17:58.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: will you use vi to debug .emacs ? :) |
| 17:58.46 | bulio | so if a hard drive in one machine crashes, the other machine has my folder |
| 17:58.49 | abrotman | bulio: in real time? or hourly/daily? |
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| 17:59.03 | bulio | abrotman: real time would be nice |
| 17:59.13 | bulio | but hourly would be fine if its easier to setup |
| 17:59.23 | abrotman | hourly can be done easily with rsync |
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| 17:59.26 | xingu | robboplus: entirely depends on topology |
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| 17:59.35 | bulio | abrotman: thats what I was thinking |
| 17:59.53 | robboplus | xingu i ocassionally see an IP or two with MY hw address in there... wtf is that? |
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| 18:00.00 | robboplus | xingu is this a kind of arp hacking? |
| 18:00.06 | robboplus | xingu i run br0 there |
| 18:00.19 | robboplus | xingu so i'm in promisc mode on that interface... |
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| 18:01.34 | xingu | robboplus: sounds like your bridge is proxy-arping on one side for addresses learnt on the other |
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| 18:02.04 | robboplus | xingu that's hardy possible... that IP never connected to any service on my boxes |
| 18:02.19 | robboplus | 88.162.101.170 ether 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:00 C br0 |
| 18:02.22 | robboplus | it looks like this |
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| 18:03.05 | robboplus | it's some US guy who came just from no where while that IP address isn't even known to anyone, only the one on the other side of the bridge is |
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| 18:04.47 | robboplus | i was once told that bridging is bad... i guess someone who told me that was right |
| 18:04.48 | xingu | robboplus: what does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp say? |
| 18:04.54 | robboplus | one sec |
| 18:05.05 | robboplus | 0 |
| 18:05.28 | robboplus | there was some .fi DSL before connected, now i saw this US guy |
| 18:05.48 | robboplus | so it's not like there is an traffic all the time.. just strange occassional connections |
| 18:05.58 | xingu | robboplus: there's a plausible scenario; if your uplink router is proxy-arping for the whole world (this is default behaviour in IOS for instance) and something downlink from the bridge has a too-wide netmask, what you're observing will happen |
| 18:05.59 | robboplus | s/an/a |
| 18:06.47 | robboplus | xingu so not really a hack attempt |
| 18:06.56 | robboplus | like arp sniffing or whatever is that called |
| 18:07.10 | xingu | robboplus: you seem confused about what arp is; I suggest you research this. |
| 18:07.20 | robboplus | yes i really am confused |
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| 18:10.53 | liable | !qotd0 |
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| 18:11.47 | Ace2016 | I am now running ubuntu's xgl in debian sid and i have compiz-fusion with window borders working perfectly |
| 18:12.01 | Ace2016 | wols: :D i knew i could do it |
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| 18:13.26 | Arme[N] | When I try to start NFS I got this error |
| 18:13.27 | Arme[N] | http://phpfi.com/270475 |
| 18:13.44 | Arme[N] | how to figure out whats the problem? |
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| 18:14.17 | Arme[N] | feel free to drop any kind of documentation I'll fix it |
| 18:14.27 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 18:14.37 | itchi | Arme[N]: Is it about the warning, or the port already in use that you talk about? |
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| 18:15.07 | itchi | s/port/address/ |
| 18:15.21 | Arme[N] | itchi: Address already in use |
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| 18:15.41 | itchi | Arme[N]: Pastebin you'r config |
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| 18:17.03 | Ace2016 | Yup i can see the difference between compiz-fusion on xgl and on xorg, with xorg there seems to be a little lag between the first execution of alt+tab, in xgl there is none, thats why i love it so much |
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| 18:19.16 | Arme[N] | you know what itchi my exact problem is when I try to mount NFS server I got this errro "RPC Error: 15 ( Program not registered )" this is my confs: http://phpfi.com/270478 |
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| 18:19.52 | Arme[N] | itchi: you need other conf too? |
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| 18:20.35 | le | ciao |
| 18:20.38 | le | !list |
| 18:20.38 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to le |
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| 18:20.56 | itchi | Arme[N]: Did you run exportfs -a ? after changing the /etc/exports? |
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| 18:21.12 | Arme[N] | itchi: nope |
| 18:21.20 | Arme[N] | lets try |
| 18:21.57 | Arme[N] | itchi: in sys log I got that message again |
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| 18:23.43 | itchi | Arme[N]: Restart your NFS server, that will not fix, but just to see |
| 18:24.12 | HardDisk_WP | i mount a ntfs partition with "ntfs" driver on /mnt/winxp |
| 18:24.20 | HardDisk_WP | /mnt/winxp is owned by marco:marco |
| 18:24.31 | HardDisk_WP | when i mount it, owner changes to root:root |
| 18:24.43 | HardDisk_WP | and rights to 700, resulting in no access for user marco |
| 18:24.45 | Arme[N] | itchi: it does not, btw rpcinfo -p | grep nfs does not show something |
| 18:24.51 | HardDisk_WP | how do I change the rights? |
| 18:25.28 | itchi | Arme[N]: Start NFS not up? |
| 18:25.29 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.29 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 18:26.18 | HardDisk_WP | !ntfsrw |
| 18:26.19 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport at http://www.backports.org/. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 18:26.22 | HardDisk_WP | hmpfg |
| 18:26.23 | Arme[N] | itchi: nope |
| 18:26.24 | HardDisk_WP | -g |
| 18:26.44 | HardDisk_WP | wols, what should I change in the above line to get write access? |
| 18:26.52 | itchi | Arme[N]: What get you as error when you try to start NFS? |
| 18:27.16 | keith4_ | why the hell does debian use exim by default? |
| 18:27.19 | itchi | Arme[N]: Get you this? http://phpfi.com/270475 |
| 18:27.36 | Arme[N] | itchi: yes |
| 18:27.41 | wols | !ntfs-3g |
| 18:27.41 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport at http://www.backports.org/. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 18:28.03 | wols | ntfs-3g usually, if proerly installed |
| 18:28.08 | techouse | which package manager do you guys use? |
| 18:28.12 | abrotman | why is ntfsrw pointing at ntfs-3g ? |
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| 18:28.32 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, no idea |
| 18:28.43 | HardDisk_WP | techouse, apt-ge |
| 18:28.44 | HardDisk_WP | t |
| 18:28.48 | abrotman | i wasn't asking you ... i'm fairly certain you wouldnt know :) |
| 18:28.49 | itchi | Arme[N]: Is the port 2049 still in use? |
| 18:28.51 | techouse | no....gui not text |
| 18:28.58 | wols | !tell techouse about polls |
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| 18:29.03 | wols | techouse: don't you ever learn? |
| 18:29.05 | Arme[N] | itchi: let me check |
| 18:29.13 | techouse | i know....i just wanted some suggestions |
| 18:29.13 | HardDisk_WP | techouse, kpackage |
| 18:29.15 | xann | Hi, does anybody know where psyBNC checks for openssl? I just installed openssl via apt-get install openssl, but psyBNC is still giving me this: "SSL-Support: No openssl found. Get openssl at www.openssl.org"... |
| 18:29.19 | itchi | Arme[N]: Check this out http://linux.ucla.edu/pipermail/linux/2000-April/002845.html |
| 18:29.21 | amphi | techouse: use aptitude then |
| 18:29.27 | HardDisk_WP | xann, install dev pkg |
| 18:29.30 | techouse | ok |
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| 18:29.47 | simonrvn | auxterm -e aptitude & |
| 18:29.48 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, d'you know what dmask/fmask I need for rw access? |
| 18:29.53 | techouse | cause right now i installed adept and it deminds me of stinky kubuntu |
| 18:29.54 | Arme[N] | itchi: netstat -a |grep 2049 does not show anything, oki |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | xann: this isn't that hard .. apt-cache search ssl dev .. repeat for whatever else you need |
| 18:29.59 | itchi | techouse: If you consider tui as gui, yes, aptitude is your friend |
| 18:30.03 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: no .. the factoid used to say .. but chealer changed it |
| 18:30.05 | simonrvn | s,au,u, |
| 18:30.09 | itchi | techouse: Anyway, use aptitude ;-) |
| 18:30.13 | techouse | oky |
| 18:30.14 | Arme[N] | itchi: I checked that too |
| 18:30.17 | techouse | aptitude it is |
| 18:30.26 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, :( |
| 18:30.28 | xann | ok HardDisk_WP, will try to find :) |
| 18:30.29 | wols | !lart chealer |
| 18:30.32 | itchi | Arme[N]: Did you try that? |
| 18:30.39 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: go yell at chealer |
| 18:30.44 | HardDisk_WP | -.- |
| 18:30.56 | HardDisk_WP | afk, studiying wikipedia umask article |
| 18:31.42 | Arme[N] | itchi: but udp 2049 is not used |
| 18:32.11 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: what permissions do you want for files and directories? |
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| 18:32.27 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: the umask is 0777 - the permissions you want |
| 18:32.28 | |Max_-| | Weird problem here, in KDE, when I click to "Adjust Time & Date..." in the Clock's menu, it asks for the root password because it need those privileges to change date/time... But whatever the password I enter, it's not the good one... (there's only one on this machine, anyway.) Anything to do to fix this? |
| 18:32.33 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, o+rw,a+rw,g+rw |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | no +x at all ? |
| 18:32.51 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, doesnt make sense at NTFS |
| 18:32.59 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: so you want an fmask of 111 and a dmask of 000 |
| 18:33.06 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 18:33.15 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ntfs doesn't make sense .. but that hasn't stopped you |
| 18:33.28 | cahoot | Max_-, no change of kb-layout? |
| 18:33.44 | |Max_-| | cahoot: no |
| 18:34.01 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: and you're able to su with that password just fine? |
| 18:34.10 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: yup |
| 18:34.28 | itchi | Arme[N]: I dunno what your problem may then :-s |
| 18:34.31 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: have you tried your user password? Maybe it's trying to use sudo rather than su ? |
| 18:34.39 | \amethyst | don't know much about KDE |
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| 18:34.54 | Arme[N] | itchi: oki, thank you mate |
| 18:35.37 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: just noticed something... I always use sudo, so I tried su and the password doesn't fit... so I guess Clock wants to su... |
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| 18:36.38 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: Can I make su accept the sudo/user password? |
| 18:37.00 | _vvd | anyone knows a good "create your debs" hwoto for noobs? |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | !tell _vvd about mg |
| 18:37.13 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: no (not easily, anyway), but you can change root's password to be the same :) |
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| 18:37.49 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: okay, even if I installed saying I didn't want the root login possible? |
| 18:37.52 | xann | HardDisk_WP / abrotman: I know this isn't the psyBNC support channel, I installed the dev packages and now it detects ssl however it tells me "SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/bin/" but when I do the command "which openssl" I get this -> "/usr/bin/openssl", what could be the problem? |
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| 18:38.00 | abrotman | libssl-dev |
| 18:38.03 | xann | yes |
| 18:38.06 | xann | I installed that package |
| 18:38.08 | abrotman | xann: use apt-cache search .. it's pretty easy |
| 18:38.13 | abrotman | !tell xann about search |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | !find bin/openssl etch |
| 18:38.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/openssl' (1): (/usr/bin/openssl) in utils/openssl. |
| 18:38.33 | xann | yep :/ |
| 18:38.34 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: that just means that root doesn't have a password |
| 18:38.48 | itchi | Arme[N]: Try rpcinfo -p IP And pastebin that or see if that port is already used. Your problems seems to be weird :-p |
| 18:38.57 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: so you have to set one (which means root can log in) |
| 18:39.06 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: if I set one, the root login will be possible... and if I set none, I can't play with my clock... o.0 |
| 18:39.08 | |Max_-| | yeahh.. |
| 18:39.19 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: There might be some way of telling kde to use sudo |
| 18:39.26 | xann | abrotman, I already installed libssl-dev, but it stills gives me that message |
| 18:39.34 | _vvd | ty abrotman |
| 18:39.36 | abrotman | xann: openssl |
| 18:39.39 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: maybe... I'd have to search for this! |
| 18:39.42 | xann | already done abrotman |
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| 18:39.53 | xann | I first installed openssl, after that libssl-dev |
| 18:39.53 | abrotman | xann: then psybnc is broken |
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| 18:39.59 | xann | yep :/ |
| 18:40.10 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: I'll check this out... if it's not possible, I'll simply set a pass for root... thanks! |
| 18:40.16 | Arme[N] | itchi: http://phpfi.com/270487 |
| 18:40.27 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: it's also possible to set it up so that members of a certain group don't need a password at all to su |
| 18:40.50 | itchi | Arme[N]: Did you that on the PC where the NFS may run on? You may need to do that from another PC |
| 18:40.52 | \amethyst | |Max_-|: but that might not be advisable, since it means compromised user account => compromised root |
| 18:40.59 | abrotman | xann: can't you just use screen and irssi ? |
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| 18:41.19 | |Max_-| | \amethyst: yeah, you're right .. but that looked interesting at first sight |
| 18:41.41 | Arme[N] | itchi: no it is in another machine and I got that netstat in that machine(server) |
| 18:41.58 | xann | It was indeed psyBNC problem, sorry to have bothered |
| 18:42.52 | itchi | Arme[N]: Tcheck this out http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Fedora-Core-NFS-custom-kernel-work-ftopict268290.html |
| 18:43.01 | itchi | Arme[N]: Especially the comments |
| 18:43.11 | Arme[N] | itchi: oki |
| 18:44.32 | itchi | Arme[N]: Apart that i dunno :-( |
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| 18:45.29 | \amethyst | dpkg, wheel =~ s#man pam_wheel# You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root, or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password: see man pam_wheel for details.# |
| 18:45.29 | dpkg | that's too long, \amethyst |
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| 18:46.20 | \amethyst | dpkg, wheel =~ s#; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. man pam_wheel#.# |
| 18:46.21 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
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| 18:46.38 | \amethyst | dpkg, wheel =~ s#configs.#configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root, or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password: see man pam_wheel for details.# |
| 18:46.38 | dpkg | that's too long, \amethyst |
| 18:46.47 | sherl0ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.15 | \amethyst | dpkg, wheel =~ s#su to#su to root, or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password: see man pam_wheel for details.# |
| 18:47.15 | dpkg | that's too long, \amethyst |
| 18:47.42 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:48.02 | \amethyst | gah |
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| 18:48.05 | abrotman | \amethyst: might be easier to just rewrite the whole thing |
| 18:49.18 | Arme[N] | itchi: when I tried this netstat -autn | grep 2049 I got ... |
| 18:49.27 | Arme[N] | itchi: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* |
| 18:49.35 | Ace2016 | wols: you there? |
| 18:50.10 | \amethyst | !wheel |
| 18:50.10 | dpkg | wheel is, like, n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 18:50.18 | \amethyst | there |
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| 18:50.51 | liable | where |
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| 18:52.49 | itchi | Arme[N]: Seems to be a died connection, i'm afraid that you may reboot it. Did you try that? |
| 18:53.21 | Arme[N] | itchi: I tried but let me try it again |
| 18:53.45 | wols | Arme[N]: netstat -anp |grep 2049 as root. what prorgam owns the port? |
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| 18:54.23 | Arme[N] | wols: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* 2144/avahi-daemon: |
| 18:54.31 | wols | there you have it |
| 18:54.37 | liable | !kill avahi |
| 18:54.47 | Arme[N] | wols: hmmm..... |
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| 18:55.22 | liable | why are debian devs making shit depend on avahi |
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| 18:56.35 | \amethyst | liable: not a lot that's not specifically about MDNS depends on it |
| 18:57.04 | liable | \amethyst: try and remove it if you use a desktop environment |
| 18:57.23 | nico8481 | is there a plugin to install to make iceweasel able to play ogg ? |
| 18:57.33 | itchi | hhhmm, my P2 233MHz gateway/firewall/webserver has 109 days uptime, cool :-p |
| 18:57.35 | xingu | liable: "because they can" - it's the new new, all the cool kids are doing it. |
| 18:57.36 | liable | java for some bizzare reason depends on it |
| 18:57.42 | \amethyst | liable: java recommends it |
| 18:57.52 | Arme[N] | itchi: huh :D |
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| 18:58.35 | \amethyst | liable: you should be able to remove libnss-mdns and avahi-daemon without removing java |
| 18:59.44 | liable | \amethyst: i went through this a while back. couldnt seem to, so i removed java (no loss to me) then cups decided that it needs it |
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| 19:01.03 | \amethyst | liable: which distribution? |
| 19:01.08 | ben_goodger | hello |
| 19:01.22 | liable | \amethyst: what do you think? |
| 19:01.32 | \amethyst | liable: Sorry, I mean etch lenny or sid |
| 19:02.00 | liable | \amethyst: sid |
| 19:02.31 | ben_goodger | I have switched to an NFS-mounted home directory setup. it gets precisely 6.2 MiB/s throughput, and is latent as hell. additionally, now for some reason the GIMP becomes unresponsive for long periods while loading files, f-spot and gksu don't load at all, and iceweasel takes about five minutes to load |
| 19:02.44 | ben_goodger | can anyone help me there at all? |
| 19:03.10 | xingu | ben_goodger: start by mounting using tcp rather than udp |
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| 19:03.25 | ben_goodger | xingu: right!! |
| 19:03.28 | ben_goodger | ....how? |
| 19:03.34 | ben_goodger | I didn't know it could use udp |
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| 19:03.55 | liable | \amethyst: interestingly, i just removed it, i cant recall why i came to the conclusion why i couldn't before. |
| 19:04.00 | xingu | ben_goodger: proto=tcp in mount opts |
| 19:04.15 | ben_goodger | thanks |
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| 19:04.32 | ben_goodger | is this where all the useful people are stored? #debian@oftc has been dead for weeks |
| 19:04.34 | liable | i think my brain is being eaten by aliens |
| 19:04.44 | \amethyst | liable: they might have changed some of the dependencies to recommends |
| 19:04.50 | \amethyst | recently, I mean |
| 19:05.16 | liable | \amethyst: hope so, otherwise i am going mad :) |
| 19:05.26 | xingu | ben_goodger: suggest you use "nfs4" rather than nfs fs type if you can get away with it, too. |
| 19:05.53 | itchi | Arme[N]: And have that fixed that issue? |
| 19:06.01 | liable | \amethyst: its my favourite new program to hate. its even taken udevs place |
| 19:06.03 | Arme[N] | itchi: yes |
| 19:06.09 | Arme[N] | itchi: thank you |
| 19:06.15 | Arme[N] | wols: and you :) |
| 19:06.27 | itchi | Arme[N]: No problem, for some reason that had die :-s |
| 19:06.29 | \amethyst | liable: what about networkmanager? |
| 19:07.07 | xingu | ben_goodger: and finally, nfs attribute caching is a noop for uid=0; so please do test root vs non-root cases. |
| 19:07.15 | itchi | oh, i missed a part |
| 19:07.20 | Arme[N] | itchi: I just killed it at the moment I have to mount my musics and listen to those a bit :P |
| 19:07.57 | ben_goodger | xingu: is "192.168.1.65:/home/ben /home/ben nfs4 rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,proto=tcp" acceptable for fstab? |
| 19:07.58 | liable | \amethyst: indeed thats a program i hate, only because it makes people too stupid to use the real tools, but as i dont use it, i care less. though it certainly makes wifi debugging a nightmare (and wifi is one of my pet likes) |
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| 19:08.11 | xingu | ben_goodger: sounds good; does the server actually support nfs4 ? |
| 19:08.17 | ben_goodger | *shrug* |
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| 19:08.34 | ben_goodger | the server version is a weird mixture of numbers, colons and randomly placed decimal points |
| 19:08.45 | ben_goodger | but it's the userspace one that ships with etch, if it helps |
| 19:08.47 | ben_goodger | :) |
| 19:08.59 | xingu | ben_goodger: nb, I'd tend to recommend "soft,intr" rather than "hard"; and those wsize/rsize are way conservative for proto=tcp |
| 19:09.08 | xingu | ben_goodger: why userspace? |
| 19:09.40 | ben_goodger | I like to have as much untrusted garbage (e.g. nfs) outside of my kernel as possible |
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| 19:09.58 | xingu | ben_goodger: in fact, drop rsize/wsize for nfs4 |
| 19:10.03 | ben_goodger | ok |
| 19:10.09 | xingu | ben_goodger: then you'll suffer, performance-wise |
| 19:10.27 | xingu | ben_goodger: 2x context switches per (socket) window, rather than one. |
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| 19:11.12 | xingu | ben_goodger: and the last thing to check is whether your hw is running its full swag of napi offload - ethtool -k eth0 or whatever. |
| 19:12.00 | ben_goodger | napi? |
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| 19:12.35 | ben_goodger | sorry, I'm very new to this sort of thing |
| 19:12.48 | xingu | ben_goodger: segmentation assembly/reassembly and checksum offload |
| 19:13.01 | ben_goodger | oh joy |
| 19:13.20 | ben_goodger | I've got a mention of segmentation offload, does that help? |
| 19:13.33 | xingu | ben_goodger: ethtool -k will tell you what's off/on |
| 19:13.43 | ben_goodger | it's off |
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| 19:13.48 | xingu | ben_goodger: fix with ethtool -K |
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| 19:14.35 | Arme[N] | uh! what you think guys? http://phpfi.com/270500 |
| 19:15.11 | ben_goodger | ethtool -K gso on? |
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| 19:15.53 | HardDisk_WP | how do I really extensive check a ext3 partition? (sector consistency check with read and write) |
| 19:16.00 | HardDisk_WP | i fear my disk may be wreckaged |
| 19:16.13 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: presumably you want to do so non-destructively? |
| 19:16.18 | xingu | ben_goodger: ... and so now the basics are out of the way; napi gives you more opportunities for hw offload of the business end of networking; tcp is always a better transport pick because the socket library can hand a whole *window* to the NIC for Tx rather than a packet/message; and nfs4 gives you additional opportunities for client-side caching. |
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| 19:16.33 | ben_goodger | rightyho |
| 19:16.33 | xingu | ben_goodger: if it's "generic segmentation offload" that's off, and only that, then yes |
| 19:16.46 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, yepp, nothing what destroys data |
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| 19:16.48 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: badblocks -n but not on a mounted filesystem |
| 19:16.57 | ben_goodger | udp fragmentation offload is also off |
| 19:17.06 | xingu | ben_goodger: ping that on then too |
| 19:17.06 | \amethyst | ben_goodger: is TSO on? |
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| 19:17.13 | ben_goodger | it is now |
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| 19:17.48 | ben_goodger | "operation not supported" from ethtool -K eth1 ufo on |
| 19:17.53 | xingu | ben_goodger: nfs attribute cache is client-side cache of whether or not a given permission check is +ve/-ve and can save (synchronous, blocking) round-trips to the server |
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| 19:18.22 | Arme[N] | itchi: I just restarted the server check this out it is strange, http://phpfi.com/270503 |
| 19:18.25 | xingu | ben_goodger: running as uid=0 on the client bypasses the ac totally; so some benchmarks actually complete faster in the uid!=0, ac populated case. |
| 19:18.43 | Arme[N] | itchi: this is config file of ahavi http://phpfi.com/270496 |
| 19:18.43 | \amethyst | ben_goodger: my card doesn't do ufo either |
| 19:18.44 | xingu | ben_goodger: if you think about it, the logic is obvious as to why. :) |
| 19:18.52 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, one process locks the partition from umounting...how do I force it to die even if kill -9 dont work`? |
| 19:19.04 | ben_goodger | xingu: I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I will take your word for it |
| 19:19.14 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: if kill -9 doesn't work, you can't |
| 19:19.22 | xingu | ben_goodger: so with all that set, lather rinse repeat and lets have a look at the new numbers as a baseline. |
| 19:19.26 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: you might be able to wait for the kernel operation it's performing to time out |
| 19:19.43 | liable | hrm, amavis keeps thinking mysql has died |
| 19:19.53 | ciol | Hi, I wonder if someone had already got the idea of backports in debian, not from testing, but from sid (in fact, a stable base system X included + sid backports)? |
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| 19:20.11 | liable | and stupid icedove has decided evrything is junk |
| 19:20.15 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, it's performing some read operation on a file |
| 19:20.29 | xingu | liable: the world just hates you, and I've been quietly sipping your brain too. |
| 19:20.33 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: and in ps it's listed in state D? |
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| 19:20.53 | ben_goodger | right, that's this end set up |
| 19:21.00 | ben_goodger | *delves in server* |
| 19:21.01 | xingu | liable: nb, I wouldn't be surprised if zc/mdns ended up welded onto the side of everything with a gui |
| 19:21.07 | ben_goodger | I should do some SSH at some point |
| 19:21.15 | simonrvn | ^comfort liable |
| 19:21.19 | simonrvn | @comfort liable |
| 19:21.20 | ravenbird | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:21.22 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, yes |
| 19:21.46 | liable | xingu: leave some for me! |
| 19:22.04 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 19:22.05 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:22.08 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: state D is uninterruptable sleep... usually means that the kernel is waiting for some hardware operation and can't safely wake the process, even to kill it |
| 19:22.14 | HardDisk_WP | yep... |
| 19:22.18 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: you might try sync and reboot |
| 19:22.23 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 19:22.50 | liable | xingu: yeah, i will vehemently opposing that by talking drivel in #debian |
| 19:23.05 | liable | ravenbird: danke |
| 19:23.06 | ravenbird | it has been said that danke is what you say after a blow job, unless you had to give it. |
| 19:23.13 | liable | hah |
| 19:23.25 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 19:23.37 | liable | thats priceless |
| 19:23.47 | simonrvn | the weirdest shit is in there |
| 19:23.50 | HardDisk_WP | pwned xD |
| 19:23.55 | HardDisk_WP | ravenbird, porn |
| 19:23.59 | HardDisk_WP | !porn |
| 19:23.59 | dpkg | porn is probably ...well.... ask me about <pr0n> or `apt-get install pornview` to find it on your hdd |
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| 19:24.53 | xingu | liable: I see it as a layering failure; we already have libnss-mdns for instance, obviously the get*by*() api's are not cool enough for the cool kids |
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| 19:25.39 | liable | xingu: the mdns is what i hate really. its at the bottom of the avahi pile |
| 19:25.41 | xingu | liable: I have no clue either why every wheel reinventor takes the opportunity to weld zc directly into the bowels of their shite |
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| 19:26.14 | xingu | liable: I don't mind other people killing their sites with it, as good old randy would say I strongly encourage all my competitors to do so |
| 19:26.31 | liable | heh |
| 19:26.42 | xingu | liable: but at least leave the rest of us a pluggable stack, that has the option of removing that particular namespace provider |
| 19:26.57 | xingu | liable: and by "a" pluggable stack, I don't mean one per application |
| 19:27.05 | \amethyst | It's because Gnome developers have Mac envy |
| 19:27.14 | simonrvn | not everything 'wants' to be 'auto-discovered' |
| 19:27.20 | liable | thats what my first impression was |
| 19:27.55 | liable | i dont want my computer acting like a fucking windows box and advertising itself to the world, unless i tell it to |
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| 19:28.08 | simonrvn | no kidding... |
| 19:28.25 | xingu | liable: ditto; and my scrotum does not swell at the thought of the world answering my host's queries, either |
| 19:28.41 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 19:28.45 | xingu | liable: then there's the whole business about repudiation or lack of, and MITM |
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| 19:29.02 | \amethyst | xingu: mine does, but it's more the "torsion" kind of swelling |
| 19:29.06 | simonrvn | xingu: that's my major concern about that stuff, MITMA |
| 19:29.13 | simonrvn | \amethyst: OUCH |
| 19:29.22 | xingu | simonrvn: it's namespace, repudiation is just as important |
| 19:29.26 | liable | xingu: dont get too technical with me atm, im terribly stupid today due to jetlag (thats my excuse for today anyway) |
| 19:29.47 | simonrvn | yes. "you're full of it, i'm uncaching you" or similar |
| 19:30.22 | xingu | liable: when folk tell you they said something, you want, you *really* want to be able to turn around later, and say, definitively, you really did say this, you can't reneg. |
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| 19:30.42 | xingu | liable: consider what happens when parsing xsl |
| 19:30.42 | liable | xingu: i didnt say that at all! |
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| 19:30.51 | liable | or did i? |
| 19:31.04 | ben_goodger | right |
| 19:31.06 | xingu | no, you didn't; I was explaining what I said for your jetlag's benefit |
| 19:31.12 | simonrvn | ben_goodger: left |
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| 19:31.37 | liable | xingu: i'm just being stupid to hide my stupidness ;) |
| 19:31.37 | ben_goodger | I have nfs2/3 on tcp, with default ....size.... thingy.... settings and my ethernet cards have been poked appropriately |
| 19:31.45 | xingu | it's scary how intertwined xml messaging and namespace get |
| 19:31.45 | liable | *try* |
| 19:32.04 | ben_goodger | and suddenly the entire thing is scarily fast |
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| 19:32.07 | ben_goodger | thanks, xingu |
| 19:32.19 | xingu | and like it or lump it, xml transactions are the beating heart of the financial world, at least. |
| 19:32.29 | simonrvn | what did you do this time xingu? |
| 19:32.44 | xingu | ben_goodger: no problems, I've been known to emit the odd bit of information in amongst the noise, from time to time ;) |
| 19:32.45 | Arme[N] | I dont know why there is two ahavi-daemon in my machine http://phpfi.com/270503 this is my ahavi config file http://phpfi.com/270496 I didn't touch any thing its debian default conf, any Idea? |
| 19:32.48 | liable | i recall a swelling ballsack |
| 19:32.51 | xingu | simonrvn: turbocharged nfs :) |
| 19:32.56 | ben_goodger | heh |
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| 19:33.11 | node_6 | hi all |
| 19:33.13 | ben_goodger | not "turbocharged" so much as "non-intolerable" |
| 19:33.40 | Arme[N] | avahi* |
| 19:33.42 | simonrvn | xingu: do you write docs? i'd suggest you do, if you don't. see it as a public service |
| 19:33.43 | node_6 | i installed samba3 from apt repo. everything works fine, but I didn't get a script in /etc/init.d |
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| 19:34.10 | simonrvn | avahi, btw |
| 19:34.11 | liable | Arme[N]: remove it, but it may leave you without some automagic shit which ou prolly didnt want anyway |
| 19:34.52 | Arme[N] | liable: hmm, oki |
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| 19:35.00 | simonrvn | there goes supper :/ |
| 19:35.36 | xingu | ben_goodger: linux udp to linux udp is totally capable of overrunning the Rx-ing socket; that's where the ugliness with nfs-over-udp starts, you die in nfs-iop-retrans-hell |
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| 19:35.57 | ben_goodger | *blink* |
| 19:36.06 | simonrvn | i keep meaning to switch over my nfs to tcp... keep forgetting |
| 19:36.26 | ben_goodger | I have no idea what Rx, iop or retrans mean |
| 19:36.34 | pikudo | !es |
| 19:36.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:36.49 | simonrvn | i think he said "packets get retransmitted repeatedly for no reason and can saturate the link" |
| 19:36.59 | liable | !win simonrvn |
| 19:36.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:37.05 | ben_goodger | aha! |
| 19:37.20 | liable | fantastic translation of geekspeak! |
| 19:37.21 | ben_goodger | see, I got the vague idea but not the fine detail |
| 19:37.24 | simonrvn | udp doesn't do error checking |
| 19:37.25 | ben_goodger | it's like reading spanish |
| 19:37.38 | simonrvn | not like tcp does anyway |
| 19:37.57 | liable | it doesnt do any checking really |
| 19:38.15 | simonrvn | that's true, point |
| 19:38.20 | xingu | ben_goodger: rx - recieve-side; iop - io operation; retrans - retransmit; you get a crapflood of io-operations delivered as a crapflood of udp packets; they all transmit, they all arrive; they arrive so quickly that the recieving *application* can't keep up and the receiving *stack* then discards the packet (nowehere else for them to go other than interface queue, and that's finite) |
| 19:38.41 | xingu | ben_goodger: so then you wait, for nfs to detect that the io-operation (rather than the *packet*) is lost |
| 19:38.48 | ben_goodger | xingu: someone should write a book on your mode of speech |
| 19:38.49 | xingu | ben_goodger: and then it retransmits the io-operation |
| 19:38.54 | ben_goodger | right. |
| 19:39.06 | xingu | ben_goodger: lather, rinse, repeat, burst idle burst idle *hell* *swear* *punch something* |
| 19:39.22 | simonrvn | WHERE'S MY #^*(&$^(* FILE?! |
| 19:39.24 | ben_goodger | so essentially udp is a pile of crap that causes massive clogs in a manner that tcp was designed to avoid. |
| 19:39.40 | simonrvn | udp has its uses, but not for that |
| 19:39.43 | liable | in other words, udp is a pita that can saturate a link due to its stupidness |
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| 19:40.02 | liable | but has uses |
| 19:40.09 | xingu | ben_goodger: precisely; tcp ultimately generates a *clock* between the sender and receiver (a pair, one for each direction); and the sender, only sends when it guesses the reciever-application is ready to process |
| 19:40.25 | ben_goodger | rightyho |
| 19:40.25 | xingu | well, modern tcp does anyway |
| 19:40.30 | node_6 | how do I get servers off the "Places" list? |
| 19:40.40 | liable | node_6: places list? |
| 19:40.40 | ben_goodger | I suppose I should demand that my computing teacher tells me this |
| 19:40.58 | ben_goodger | liable: gnome's places list automagically populates itself randomly with mountpoints |
| 19:41.00 | liable | ben_goodger: "unix network programming" get that book |
| 19:41.04 | node_6 | liable: yes. deb etch w/ default gnome installation. Places menu is part of the gnome menu at top of screen |
| 19:41.39 | ben_goodger | there does not appear to be any way to modify the list, e.g. to remove this damned ntfs partition and replace it with my video server drive |
| 19:41.40 | liable | node_6: cant right clicky it? |
| 19:42.00 | node_6 | no. same action as a left click |
| 19:42.19 | ben_goodger | node_6: try doing it from within a save dialog |
| 19:42.27 | liable | blame avahi! |
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| 19:42.47 | ben_goodger | yeah, blame avahi from within a save dialog |
| 19:42.51 | node_6 | right click works fine in File Browser, but the "remove" option is disabled |
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| 19:43.18 | node_6 | can't possibly be that you have to connect before you can remove it? |
| 19:43.31 | ben_goodger | I bloody well hope not |
| 19:43.40 | ringo999 | hi. im planing on reinstalling my debian and using sperate partions for various partitions. i have an 80gb disc and im wondering what would be a good splitting. any suggestions/links? |
| 19:43.54 | xingu | node_6: edit ~/.gtk-bookmarks... |
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| 19:44.28 | liable | ringo999: for a normal non-server box, i would just have a seperate /home. 10G for the OS rest for home |
| 19:44.29 | ben_goodger | ringo999: 8GB for / reiserfs, 1.3GB for swap, 150MB for /boot ext3, the rest /home reiserfs |
| 19:44.34 | node_6 | xingu: no such thing on my system |
| 19:44.36 | xingu | hmm, or maybe not |
| 19:44.43 | ben_goodger | ...tends to be my setup |
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| 19:44.58 | \amethyst | ugh, reiserfs |
| 19:45.14 | \amethyst | does it support extattrs nowadays at least? |
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| 19:45.40 | simonrvn | doh! i am moutning them via tcp. heh |
| 19:45.48 | ringo999 | liable / ben_goodger: 10 gb sounds good to me for /. how about using lvm, is that recommended? |
| 19:45.50 | xingu | simonrvn: fs=nfs4 ? |
| 19:46.10 | simonrvn | no, 3 |
| 19:46.11 | ben_goodger | ringo999: not really necessary, it tends to add confusion unless you desperately need striping |
| 19:46.14 | xingu | simonrvn: last time I talked to you, was before I found out about the uid=0 means attribute-cache is noop, too |
| 19:46.30 | xingu | simonrvn: so if you can, run your bizness uid!=0 |
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| 19:46.43 | liable | ringo999: for a desktop? not really, dont see the point. lvm is all about being able to resize partitions, which you shouldnt really need |
| 19:46.51 | xingu | simonrvn: attribute cache lookup is blocking/synchronous |
| 19:47.25 | simonrvn | xingu: eh? man page? what's this attrib-cache you speak of? |
| 19:47.32 | xingu | simonrvn: and yeah, one of these days, I'll write something down, before the booze kills it all |
| 19:48.10 | xingu | simonrvn: "noac" is the mount opt to turn it off; it's the cache of +ve/-ve credentials checks between client and server; known-permit, known-deny |
| 19:48.28 | chinasky | hello, can anybody tell me a good tool to backup my system? thanks |
| 19:48.30 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove all empty lines from a txt file? |
| 19:48.56 | xingu | simonrvn: when uid=0 on client end, "of course" you're allowed to access something as far as the client's concerned - so you need to do a round trip to the server just to check it's happy to serve |
| 19:49.12 | xingu | simonrvn: when uid!=0, you can cache the lookup result and avoid it next time. |
| 19:49.12 | liable | chinasky: apt-cache search backup there are so many (like most linux things) that you just have to try and find one you like |
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| 19:49.38 | simonrvn | xingu: nod |
| 19:49.42 | node_6 | grrr |
| 19:49.57 | keith80403 | HardDisk_WP, sed '/^$/d' file.txt |
| 19:50.04 | node_6 | anyone know how to get network items of the "Places" menu in gnome? |
| 19:50.06 | xingu | simonrvn: ie, if -ve result, fast-fail the application/access without going near the server; or on +ve, try the access, and incur costly wrath if you guessed wrong. |
| 19:50.32 | chinasky | liable: thanks, i know that, but i wanted some opinions (if some of you make backups) |
| 19:50.54 | xingu | simonrvn: nb, some nfs profiles are *completely dominated* by attribute lookups |
| 19:51.02 | xingu | simonrvn: so this is nontrivial-fu |
| 19:51.27 | simonrvn | hrmph. well, this is 100% linux nfs. client/server |
| 19:51.42 | xingu | *nod*; it depends on what the application's doing |
| 19:51.50 | xingu | find / for instance is going to flex the hell out of it |
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| 19:51.54 | marc\cba | i've got a slight problem, my colo provider is only allowing on MAC addr per switch port |
| 19:52.03 | xingu | seems sensible |
| 19:52.13 | marc\cba | im virtualizing debian under windows |
| 19:52.27 | xingu | seems like something they don't want you to be doing |
| 19:52.34 | marc\cba | 2nd os virtualized is centos |
| 19:52.45 | marc\cba | that ones been running with the same mac addr as the windows box for months |
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| 19:53.07 | marc\cba | trying to give the debian box the same mac addr again obviously the command works |
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| 19:53.22 | marc\cba | but i'm warning a duplicate address is detected |
| 19:53.24 | marc\cba | as you might expect |
| 19:54.05 | HardDisk_WP | keith80403, thanks |
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| 19:54.35 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, does badblock support a) some kind of progress bar and b) interruption via ctrl-c? |
| 19:54.48 | simonrvn | xingu: for the most part it's ok, but yeh, i've noticed nfsd running like mad when something was doing a full mount scan |
| 19:54.48 | marc\cba | when its on its own mac addr i get a psudo lan arrangment |
| 19:55.08 | marc\cba | but setting the 3rd box to the same mac addr as the other to narfs things up |
| 19:55.11 | ringo999 | also, i have an old ibook g3 800ghz. just installed debian etch, now trying to get the wifi working. i read somewhere that it worked out of the box... i have a wep network. used iwconfig to configure, but iwlist eth2 scan wont even show any networks. i think i have to load some extra modules. (the ethernet port is broken) |
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| 19:55.22 | marc\cba | and despite valid ARP requests going out from the correct MAC addr |
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| 19:55.40 | xingu | marc\cba: say hello to sysctl's net.ipv4.conf.all.log_martians |
| 19:55.46 | H2S04 | ls |
| 19:55.54 | liable | ringo999: does iwconfig show any ifaces with extensions? |
| 19:56.21 | ringo999 | liable: yes, eth2 |
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| 19:56.42 | liable | ringo999: then keep trying scanning |
| 19:57.00 | liable | ringo999: if you know the essid, set it with iwconfig and see if it associates |
| 19:57.24 | ringo999 | liable: still no results, the essid is already set |
| 19:57.39 | liable | ringo999: does it show the ap mac? |
| 19:58.02 | ringo999 | liable: no |
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| 19:59.33 | liable | ringo999: reload the modules and bring the iface and scan without setting the essid |
| 19:59.36 | simonrvn | xingu: 46 0% 1510504 48% 11531 0% 367069 11% 597405 19% 4532 0% |
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| 19:59.46 | simonrvn | xingu: null getattr setattr lookup access readlink |
| 19:59.56 | ZeNN | having a bit of a problem setting the systemtime on Debian Etch. I've run tzselect and modified the .profile of the root user. Set the hwclock accordingly and ran hwclock -w and using an ntp server for updating the time. Now the root user has the accurate time, but all systemprocesses get a different timenotation. Where can i set the time globally on Debian Etch ? |
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| 20:00.41 | wols | !tzselect |
| 20:00.47 | wols | !tzdata |
| 20:00.56 | wols | *sigh* |
| 20:01.05 | wols | ZeNN: modifying .profile was wrong |
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| 20:01.29 | xingu | simonrvn: so you see what I mean then don't you :) |
| 20:01.33 | wols | ZeNN: you run tzselect to set it to the correct value and you are done |
| 20:01.37 | ZeNN | appearantly, but tzselect even advised it... was desperate you know :) |
| 20:01.52 | simonrvn | uh hunh ;) |
| 20:02.20 | ringo999 | liable: when i try to set the password i get "SET failed on device eth2 ; Operation not supported." |
| 20:02.30 | simonrvn | oh crap... |
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| 20:02.45 | liable | ringo999: how are you setting the wep? key? |
| 20:02.48 | simonrvn | *SIGH*. sometimes i hate GSSAPI |
| 20:02.58 | anirban | Hi |
| 20:03.08 | ringo999 | liable: iwconfig eth2 key s:mypassphrase |
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| 20:03.32 | anirban | is any one able to run Unreal Tournament 2003 on debian testing 64 bit |
| 20:03.33 | ringo999 | liable: ill turn encryption of, see if it works |
| 20:03.39 | liable | ringo999: hrm |
| 20:03.50 | xingu | simonrvn: ? sec=sys... |
| 20:03.57 | liable | ringo999: is the iface up or down? try it whatever way it is atm |
| 20:04.01 | anirban | or any link how to do it |
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| 20:04.29 | wols | ZeNN: why did you chnage tz in the first place? |
| 20:04.41 | wols | ZeNN: is the time wrong everytime you reboot? |
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| 20:04.56 | simonrvn | xingu: nah, just restarting the kernel server, and forgot about the tickets and keys... |
| 20:05.03 | xingu | simonrvn: oh, whoops |
| 20:05.18 | ZeNN | wols: set it wrong with installation |
| 20:05.32 | simonrvn | no biggie |
| 20:08.10 | nico8481 | anyone using flashcards to learn stuff? |
| 20:08.29 | wols | ZeNN: what is in /etc/timezone |
| 20:08.39 | wols | !tell nico8481 about polls |
| 20:08.48 | ZeNN | wols: Europe/Amsterdam |
| 20:08.54 | ZeNN | thats good |
| 20:08.58 | wols | ZeNN: that's the right one |
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| 20:09.25 | nico8481 | ok, moving to a valid question then... :) |
| 20:10.07 | nico8481 | does anyone know of a cheap way to use electronic flashcards (i guess a cheap PDA + some OSS program) |
| 20:10.20 | nico8481 | it'd have to be able to handle cyrillic though |
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| 20:11.06 | \amethyst | nico8481: hmm... what features do you need? |
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| 20:11.07 | wols | nico8481: this is debian support related how? |
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| 20:11.41 | \amethyst | nico8481: I mean, you could create PDFs and view them full-screen, with pages alternating question, answer |
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| 20:12.43 | spoown | Hello all !! Does anyone known how can I get a full-screen with mplayer ? I means whithout the screen being filled with black ! I don't remenber which options enble this setting ! |
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| 20:12.51 | ringo999_ | liable: this guy also installed debian on his g3. he says wirless was working out of the box. could it be that it doesnt work because i used netinstall (without an internet connection)? http://pierre.baudu.in/ibook/ |
| 20:12.51 | Mathiazz | bonjour |
| 20:13.01 | nico8481 | \amethyst: that might work, though i'd like something that keeps track of which words i guess correctly or not, and tweaks their frequencies accordingly |
| 20:13.30 | Mathiazz | i have some group permission probleme with NFS |
| 20:13.45 | ringo999_ | also, i have swedish mac keyboard, wonding what the keycombo for "|" is? |
| 20:13.46 | liable | ringo999_: nope, your driver is in the kernel, and is working. the reason it doesnt see your network is the problem |
| 20:14.03 | ringo999_ | liable: could it be the router that is the problem? |
| 20:14.13 | ringo999_ | well, it worked without a problem with macosx before. |
| 20:14.17 | nico8481 | \amethyst: or maybe even the possibility to create new flashcards on the PDA itself (but that's not mandatory) |
| 20:14.24 | ringo999_ | all the other computers can connect. so its not the router |
| 20:14.35 | ringo999_ | liable: any ideas what else i could try? |
| 20:14.36 | liable | ringo999_: possibly. is the ssid hidden? |
| 20:14.42 | ringo999_ | liable: nope |
| 20:14.53 | ringo999_ | and WEP is deactivated now |
| 20:15.18 | ringo999_ | liable: signal level: 134/153 |
| 20:15.42 | liable | ringo999_: if you get a signal level, then its associated |
| 20:15.45 | ringo999_ | liable: link quality: 0/92, noise level=134/153 |
| 20:15.53 | liable | oh, noise |
| 20:16.06 | \amethyst | nico8481: try searching freshmeat.net for "flash card" |
| 20:16.11 | ringo999_ | liable: what do you make out of that? |
| 20:16.18 | ringo999_ | to much noise? |
| 20:16.43 | \amethyst | nico8481: there are 20-something hits, only about half of which have to do with memory sticks :) |
| 20:16.54 | liable | ringo999_: that the linux driver is seeing a shitload of noise on the frequency. try another channel 1,6 or 11 |
| 20:17.06 | \amethyst | nico8481: including one for PalmOS |
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| 20:17.40 | minerale | what's the name of the ~/.ssh file that I put my config in? |
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| 20:18.16 | nico8481 | \amethyst: i know, already did a lot of web searching... the problem is that cheap palms don't have support for cyrillic (i even doubt that more expensive ones do) |
| 20:18.22 | lz | minerale: ~/.ssh/config |
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| 20:18.52 | ringo9991 | liable: ok, i changed from channel 6 to 1 on the router. still no change. |
| 20:18.52 | \amethyst | nico8481: then get one of the Linux programs and use a PDA that can run GNU/Linux |
| 20:19.00 | liable | ringo999_: it sucks that linux is failing for you, wireless is really a mess in linux, particularly for old drivers. its only just now starting to get soreted out |
| 20:19.07 | minerale | lz: where can I lookup the config parameters, I mean the way the ssh config file looks |
| 20:19.16 | \amethyst | minerale: man ssh_config |
| 20:19.23 | liable | ringo999_: still same amount of noise? |
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| 20:19.44 | nico8481 | \amethyst: that's the other problem: such PDA's are not sold here :( |
| 20:19.55 | ringo9991 | liable: i dont want to give up. i believe in linux ;-) |
| 20:20.10 | ringo9991 | liable: yeah everzthing still the same, is there a way to restart the "driver" |
| 20:20.20 | liable | ringo9991: reload the module |
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| 20:20.27 | ringo9991 | liable: im still new to wireless and linux |
| 20:20.36 | ringo9991 | liable: linux in general ;-) |
| 20:20.40 | minerale | amethyst: I can't remember where I've seen it but you can configure it so that when you ssh to a host it automatically uses an alternate port, |
| 20:20.47 | ringo9991 | liable: how do i reload a module? |
| 20:21.06 | liable | ringo9991: modprobe -r <module>, modprobe <module> |
| 20:21.23 | liable | ringo9991: i dont know the name of it, so you will have to find that out |
| 20:21.37 | lz | minerale: in config file Host=app1 \n Port=42222 |
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| 20:22.31 | nico8481 | \amethyst: i had a look at the Angstom distribution and i couln'd find none of the PDA's it lists in its "supported devices" list in any store :-/ |
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| 20:24.16 | \amethyst | minerale: you can use a combination of Host and Port |
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| 20:24.30 | ringo9991 | liable: this guy from the link i send before says: AirPort uses modules airport, orinoco, hermes |
| 20:24.36 | ringo9991 | liable: it needs three modules? |
| 20:24.49 | liable | ringo9991: no, orinoco should work in linux |
| 20:24.57 | \amethyst | minerale: Host *.foo.com means "until the next Host directive, the following directives only apply to *.foo.com" |
| 20:25.19 | ringo9991 | for orinoco / hermes, modprobe -r ... states that the modules were not in use |
| 20:25.26 | liable | ringo9991: if you have an iface with wireless extensions, then the correct driver is loaded |
| 20:25.48 | liable | ringo9991: lsmod to see whats loaded |
| 20:25.50 | ringo9991 | well, i reloaded the module, still the same noise level. can that be? |
| 20:26.08 | ringo9991 | liable: all three are loaded |
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| 20:26.11 | liable | ringo9991: yes, as i have no idea whats causing your problem |
| 20:26.23 | liable | ringo9991: huh? |
| 20:26.25 | ringo9991 | airports module used orinoco and hermes |
| 20:26.39 | stiv2k | hi, how can i have files that are placed in a certain directory have their permissions changed to whatever i specify automatically? i.e. if i place file foo in directory bar, then foo's permissions automatically get set to 0660 |
| 20:26.48 | ringo9991 | mmmm :-( |
| 20:27.05 | mooper | how do I bind an IP address to an interface? should I put something into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:27.06 | stiv2k | i was thinking chmod g+s but i think that just changed the group ownership to the parent directory, right |
| 20:27.16 | mooper | I dont want it to use dhcp |
| 20:27.17 | dalias | you can't, entirely |
| 20:27.21 | dto | how do I obtain the original .config file from the installed/working kernel on etch? |
| 20:27.29 | dalias | chmod g+s on the directory will set the owning group on new files created |
| 20:27.36 | dalias | but won't set the chmod permissions |
| 20:27.40 | liable | ringo9991: hrm, seems starnge to me that it has three loaded, but seeing as i have never had one of those cards, i cannot say if its normal |
| 20:27.40 | dto | i want to use it as a base for a custom kernel package, but i can't seem to find the original |
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| 20:27.54 | ringo9991 | liable: i will set the router to use auto channel |
| 20:27.55 | dalias | you can set your umask but that would apply everywhere |
| 20:28.12 | liable | ringo9991: doubt it will help. |
| 20:28.18 | liable | ringo9991: try it though |
| 20:28.34 | lz | dto: check /boot/config-* |
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| 20:30.18 | dto | lz: thanks :-) |
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| 20:33.20 | node_6 | which command is appropriate for installing a local .deb package? aptitude install /downloads/myPkg.deb doesn't seem to work... |
| 20:33.26 | stiv2k | hi, how can i have files that are placed in a certain directory have their permissions changed to whatever i specify automatically? i.e. if i place file foo in directory bar, then foo's permissions automatically get set to 0660 |
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| 20:33.48 | node_6 | stiv2k: check out the 'sticky bit' on directories |
| 20:33.57 | stiv2k | node_6: right, i was looking at sticky |
| 20:34.06 | dto | i would like to thank all the debian folks for being so helpful |
| 20:34.15 | ringo9991 | liable: i cleared my /etc/network/interfaces and restarted the network. so now there is no essid set. however, i sill have the same signal / noise level, how can that be? |
| 20:34.16 | stiv2k | node_6: though im not quite sure i understand it in its entirety |
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| 20:34.23 | dto | i'm gradually learning the Proper Debian Thought Process :-) |
| 20:34.34 | stiv2k | node_6: iirc, chmod g+s will change files to be owned by whoever their parent directory is owned by, right??? |
| 20:34.56 | liable | ringo9991: i dont know. its unusual to even have a noise level if you are not associated |
| 20:35.23 | liable | ringo9991: as i have no experience with that driver, i cant say |
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| 20:36.41 | ringo9991 | liable: ok. thanks for your help anyhow. |
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| 20:37.02 | ringo9991 | hopefully i will find someone with a similar hardware who got it working |
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| 20:37.18 | liable | ringo9991: try #wireless or there may be an #orinoco channel |
| 20:37.30 | stiv2k | OMGGGGG |
| 20:37.51 | liable | ringo9991: i am sure google should have a wealth of info on that driver, as its quite mature |
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| 20:39.35 | moope1 | I have two interfaces on my new debian router that Im setting up. eth1 is connected to my cable router and has a ip address assigned by dhcp. I have a second NIC eth0 that is connected to a wireless router. I want dhcpd to handle dhcp on eth0 but not eth1. how should I organise this? |
| 20:39.39 | moope1 | Oct 21 17:36:23 router dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (77.99.16.54). |
| 20:39.39 | moope1 | Oct 21 17:36:23 router dhcpd: Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the |
| 20:39.39 | moope1 | Oct 21 17:36:23 router dhcpd: network segment to which interface eth1 is attached. |
| 20:39.39 | moope1 | Oct 21 17:36:23 router dhcpd: exiting. |
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| 20:40.01 | stiv2k | ok wtf |
| 20:40.04 | moope1 | :( that was only 4 lines |
| 20:40.12 | moope1 | anyone got any ideas? |
| 20:40.15 | stiv2k | how come this directory is rw-rw---- yet for some reason its not allowing me to put files in it |
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| 20:40.42 | stiv2k | i am part of the group it is owned by |
| 20:41.18 | wols | moope1: by editing your /etc/network/interfaces properly |
| 20:41.51 | wols | moope1: how do you plan to assign an ip to eth1? |
| 20:42.03 | ringo9991 | so, anyone here with a g3 ibook and debian plus wifi working please let me know... |
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| 20:42.39 | stiv2k | im sketching |
| 20:42.43 | stiv2k | what the heck is going on |
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| 20:43.27 | node_6 | I'd like to have one single app from unstable (sid). is it safe enough to add a repo for sid to my sources.list? |
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| 20:43.47 | wols | node_6: no |
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| 20:43.52 | node_6 | I don't want debian to start updating all my packages to the unstable versions. just this *one* pkg and it's deps |
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| 20:44.14 | wols | node_6: those deps will break your system, sooner or later |
| 20:44.21 | node_6 | what would you suggest? |
| 20:44.30 | wols | tried backports? |
| 20:44.43 | wols | and it very much depends what package you want |
| 20:44.43 | Eulex | node_6, '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' if it's not at backports.org |
| 20:44.51 | node_6 | this pkg hasn't made it into stable yet |
| 20:45.00 | wols | node_6: so? |
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| 20:45.19 | node_6 | ah. didn't know about backports.org |
| 20:46.09 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! You know how package definitions in the control file can have "Depends:" entries whose right-hand-side is something like "${shlibs:Depends}"? Can a "Build-Depends:" entry have such a variable (which of course, I can set from the outside)? |
| 20:46.45 | stiv2k | what is the difference between s and S, in chmod |
| 20:46.46 | _|Nix|_ | I would like to build my package in 2 different environments, without having to have 2 different control files. |
| 20:46.54 | stiv2k | drwxrwS--- 4 1008 mediausers 4096 2007-10-13 19:57 disk1 |
| 20:46.54 | stiv2k | drwxrws--- 3 1008 mediausers 4096 2007-10-13 20:15 disk2 |
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| 20:47.46 | node_6 | Eulex: the instructions dpkg gives for that /msg are relatively safe? |
| 20:47.59 | node_6 | deb-src sid instead of deb |
| 20:48.05 | Eulex | node_6, yes. |
| 20:48.15 | node_6 | thanks. will give that a shot :) |
| 20:48.18 | stiv2k | anyone????????/ |
| 20:48.19 | corpcomp | Has anyone here had anything to do with iSCSI, I am trying to find out about it and to get a working implimentation. |
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| 20:48.51 | holycow | how does one list all the users on a system again? |
| 20:48.54 | Eulex | node_6, as safe as installing newer versions of software on stable can be. |
| 20:49.05 | holycow | appearently google thinks everyone else but me knows this |
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| 20:49.17 | Eulex | holycow, cat /etc/passwd |
| 20:49.28 | holycow | aha! |
| 20:49.30 | holycow | danke |
| 20:49.45 | node_6 | (that means "thank you" I think...) |
| 20:49.53 | node_6 | :D |
| 20:49.55 | holycow | mais oui! |
| 20:50.10 | holycow | gotta love irc |
| 20:50.33 | node_6 | "of course" ? |
| 20:50.33 | holycow | everyone is multilingual ... but only in pidgin |
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| 20:50.46 | node_6 | (pero si) |
| 20:50.49 | holycow | lol |
| 20:50.54 | mhall | Is there some kind of eye dropper I can use to sample colors from the screen in KDE? |
| 20:50.58 | munga | I want to change my mac address every now and then and I'm using NetworkManager to configure my interface. where should I put my small script to change the mac address before NetworkManager tries to configure the interface ? |
| 20:51.00 | holycow | i think the future we are going to see the rise of a new language |
| 20:51.12 | munga | I've tried if-pre-up.d but it doesn't work... |
| 20:51.23 | holycow | one made up of nothing but all the short forms of bad words and small descriptors from all the worlds languages |
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| 20:55.20 | stiv2k | hi, in chmod, what is the difference between s and S? |
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| 20:59.23 | streuner | !permissions |
| 20:59.23 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 20:59.40 | streuner | stiv2k: read http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
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| 21:00.59 | Hoxzer | Simple question, How do I connect to the server with ssh and execute command there with same command ? |
| 21:01.13 | nvz_ | fucking fuck.. I swear I am getting lazy as hell |
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| 21:01.24 | nvz_ | I used to fix shit the first time in annoyed me |
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| 21:01.53 | nvz_ | this is probably the 3rd time today I am gonna change my nick and reidentify when I could have programmed my client to do it automatically |
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| 21:02.27 | nvz | I used to have a config that switched between my two nicks in this sort of situation |
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| 21:02.44 | Nihill | Hey guys |
| 21:02.50 | nvz | ... and gals? |
| 21:02.59 | Nihill | well of course gals too |
| 21:03.04 | nvz | ah I see |
| 21:03.08 | nvz | its about time |
| 21:03.08 | Tramp | Hoxzer: man ssh, just read the first three paragraphs. |
| 21:03.10 | stiv2k | streuner: thanks, but it doesnt seem to talk about capital S |
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| 21:03.19 | nvz | someone showed some love for the females in here |
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| 21:03.29 | streuner | damn, you are pretty fast :-) |
| 21:03.33 | kingsley | Is there an easy way to find and list all strings that are repeated, along with a count of how many times each occurred? |
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| 21:03.51 | nvz | kingsley: sort or uniq comes to mind |
| 21:03.58 | Nihill | can anyone help me I have a directory /mnt/directory1 and I want to make a link to it from /mnt/directory2 how would I do that? |
| 21:04.10 | nvz | kingsley: unless the stings can be a part of a line and not whole lines |
| 21:04.25 | nvz | kingsley: in that case you need some fancy perl or python |
| 21:04.39 | `nstuff | nihill: man ln |
| 21:04.41 | munga | Nihill: ln -s source dest |
| 21:04.42 | Hoxzer | Tramp: yep, but ssh <ip> screen -r doesn't autologin into screen |
| 21:05.00 | nvz | or a very elaborate shell script to first find the occurances using a grep -O then count them with a wc -l or something |
| 21:05.06 | Nihill | hmm |
| 21:05.18 | Tramp | Hoxzer: That implies a different question. |
| 21:05.30 | nvz | but uniq or sort should definatly be able to find matching lines and count them |
| 21:05.30 | Nihill | cheers fellas |
| 21:05.47 | nvz | uniq only works on sorted data though |
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| 21:06.01 | nvz | hence why I mentioned both |
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| 21:06.15 | Hoxzer | >:E |
| 21:06.24 | munga | kingsley: cat file | sort | uniq -c should do ... |
| 21:06.31 | nvz | Nihill: ladies? |
| 21:06.37 | Hoxzer | seriously maan :( |
| 21:06.43 | Tramp | Hoxzer: You may then check the -c option for bash |
| 21:06.55 | Hoxzer | Hummm |
| 21:06.57 | Nihill | yea I'm sorry |
| 21:07.03 | Nihill | to any ladies present :P |
| 21:07.11 | Nihill | it worked a treat too |
| 21:07.25 | Nihill | will it need to be re-created after a reboot? |
| 21:07.26 | nvz | munga: again this only works for matching "lines". he said "strings" and if he's only looking for matching strings that could occur in any order with any other random data on a line, then he will not get them with that |
| 21:07.43 | kingsley | nvz: Thanks. I agree that sort and uniq may be integral to a solution, but I'm wondering how to break lines into arbitrary length strings. |
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| 21:08.18 | nvz | kingsley: uh can you explain better or give me an example? |
| 21:08.44 | nvz | cause asfar as I can see lines are abitrary length strings of data |
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| 21:08.58 | Asmooh | hi! |
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| 21:09.04 | techbie | kingsley: you can try awk too |
| 21:09.09 | nvz | if you want to know how to parse line-by-line you can use a while read or such |
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| 21:09.26 | Asmooh | anyone knows whats the best encryption for your harddisk: aes,blowfish,serpent,twofish |
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| 21:10.41 | nvz | Asmooh: are you going to put this machine online, run it outside a faraday cage, or let anyone else access it? |
| 21:10.46 | munga | kingsley: maybe this one : http://www.daniweb.com/code/snippet374.html (I just googled : word frequency string) |
| 21:10.47 | nvz | heh |
| 21:11.04 | Asmooh | nvz, itsa the new hosting/dns server that i need to install |
| 21:11.26 | nvz | cause security is just an illusion played on by magicians.. and while a magicians illusions can wow many, it doesn't wow other magicians.. heh |
| 21:11.43 | nvz | ah that rules out a faraday cage then |
| 21:12.37 | kingsley | nvz: Thanks for asking. Consider the following line: "aababcabcdabcde". I'd like to find an easy way to report that "a" occurs 5 times, "ab" occurs four times, "abc" three times and "abcd" twice. Does that make sense? |
| 21:12.40 | munga | Asmooh: I think blowfish is the default encryption used by lucks... and if you encrypt the fs you would need to input a password each time you reboot the machine... |
| 21:12.57 | nvz | kingsley: yeah I feared this is what you were after |
| 21:13.02 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 21:13.08 | fisxoj | so, apparently everything works better on my computer with LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 set, how do I make that permanent? |
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| 21:13.24 | Tramp | Hoxzer: Actually running screen direct with -t-Option given to ssh runs perferctly as well. |
| 21:13.35 | Asmooh | munga, only on the root system, or also on an /data partition? |
| 21:13.36 | flyinprogramer | anyone in here ever install VMTools on their debian VM before? |
| 21:13.36 | nvz | kingsley: this is far more complicated.. though grep has an option (-O I think) that shows only the matching parts of lines that may be able to extract those search strings and then you can sort them and run uniq on them |
| 21:13.56 | Hoxzer | Tramp: :\ ok, |
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| 21:14.02 | nvz | kingsley: see what happens running that sort of data with that sort of search pattern through grep does |
| 21:14.24 | _vvd | how long will etch be spoorted? |
| 21:14.43 | nvz | _vvd: for quite some time after lenny releases |
| 21:14.46 | wols | about a year after lenny will be released |
| 21:14.47 | munga | Asmooh: On my laptop I've encrypted everything, including swap. You just need a lvm encrypted volume and then you run everything else on top of it. |
| 21:14.59 | Hoxzer | Oh noes, thx |
| 21:15.04 | _vvd | when will lenny be released? :) |
| 21:15.09 | xand | about a year |
| 21:15.11 | nvz | _vvd: when its ready |
| 21:15.12 | wols | _vvd: !wir |
| 21:15.12 | Asmooh | hm okay munga |
| 21:15.14 | xand | or more ;P |
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| 21:15.37 | kingsley | munga: Yes, but my strings aren't always delimited by spaces. |
| 21:15.39 | nvz | _vvd: you got at least two years or more of etch updates easily |
| 21:15.54 | Asmooh | i think im gonna format it as EXT3 atm, ill fix the security inside debian |
| 21:15.54 | Asmooh | :) |
| 21:16.00 | nvz | _vvd: and by then you should be ready to upgrade or not use the machine where it can be hacked into |
| 21:16.03 | Nyle | nvz |
| 21:16.08 | Asmooh | i dont think someone will get my server from the datacenter |
| 21:16.08 | nvz | Nyle |
| 21:16.08 | Asmooh | ;x |
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| 21:18.30 | flyinprogramer | anyone install vmtools? |
| 21:18.38 | flyinprogramer | ever? |
| 21:18.51 | _vvd | nvz: is it as with ubunt? only security updates go into a stable release? no new kernel and so on? |
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| 21:19.13 | techbie | !tell flyinprogramer about ask |
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| 21:20.24 | flyinprogramer | flyinprogramer is slightly confused. so he's going to do the install, and he needs the linux-header files? but i can't isntall the header files for 2.6.18-4, only 2.6.22-2... and he's wondering if that will make a difference |
| 21:20.28 | _vvd | is there an always up-to-date, always stable distri? how is it called? :> |
| 21:20.33 | salvin | hi |
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| 21:21.01 | lontra | _vvd: i think up-to-date and stable aren't always accomplished |
| 21:21.06 | salvin | who use e17? |
| 21:21.22 | lontra | _vvd: you could always run debian testing |
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| 21:21.38 | dalias | testing isn't really up-to-date or stable |
| 21:21.42 | nvz | _vvd: there are no new versions of anything in a stable distro.. any important fixes from newer upstream code, kernel or otherwise is backported into our stable version as security updates |
| 21:21.42 | munga | kingsley: I guess you need to write a small program to do that. Naively: First you generate all the possible substrings of the given string, then for each one of them you check how many time it occurs in the string... |
| 21:21.46 | _vvd | lontra: thats the version that never gets old?:) |
| 21:21.55 | Asmooh | i wonder, if i make a symlink from /home to /somethingelse.. does it make the users in /somethingelse? |
| 21:21.58 | dalias | i find unstable very usable almost all the time, but you really do need to know what you're doing in case it breaks :) |
| 21:22.00 | lontra | dalias: testing is pretty up-to-date and relatively stable |
| 21:22.18 | dalias | if not it'll be big trouble |
| 21:22.36 | lontra | _vvd: well testing never really gets too old .. |
| 21:22.37 | kingsley | munga: Yes, it seems to me that I need something like... |
| 21:22.42 | munga | Asmooh: what do you mean with "make the users in /somethingelse" |
| 21:22.48 | salvin | dalias, testing is better |
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| 21:23.05 | munga | kingsley: there are better algorithms to do that ... |
| 21:23.06 | nvz | _vvd: debian devel process is roughly.. new things go into Unstable after like 10 days with no RC bugs they are moved into the testing branch which will be the next stable release. once the testing branch has brought in a considerable change of new software they start freezing the repo and having bug squishing parties |
| 21:23.08 | _vvd | lontra: i mean, will there ever be something like an dist-upgrade in testing? |
| 21:23.15 | Asmooh | well if i do "adduser" normaly it will be created in /home, but i want then in /somethingelse munga |
| 21:23.20 | dalias | salvin, "better" in what way? |
| 21:23.28 | lontra | _vvd: testing will always be testing if you call it that in your sources.list |
| 21:23.35 | nvz | _vvd: after all the release-critical bugs are squashed it is released and only recieves security updates until roughly 1 year after the next release |
| 21:23.44 | lontra | _vvd: debian has 3 branches - stable, testing, and unstable |
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| 21:23.59 | kingsley | for each byte ; for each subsequent byte ; echo strings between starting and ending bytes ; done ; done | sort | uniq -c |
| 21:23.59 | munga | Asmooh: you need to change the defaults for adduser in /etc/addusers.conf |
| 21:24.06 | Asmooh | ok :) |
| 21:24.16 | dto | i'm putting together a trivial repository. how do I make it so that my stumpwm package requires my custom SBCL package, and not just any sbcl? |
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| 21:24.37 | nvz | _vvd: stable releases that are replaced by a new stable but recieve security updates still are often called oldstable where as ones without security updates are called obsolete |
| 21:24.39 | salvin | dalias, testing is up-to-date and works |
| 21:24.40 | moope1 | wols said - how do you plan to assign an ip to eth1? eth1 has a public IP assigned to it by my cable provider. |
| 21:24.52 | Nihill | Well im off thanks for the help! |
| 21:25.14 | dalias | unstable gets security fixes faster than testing does. and it's more up-to-date and also works (most of the time :) |
| 21:25.16 | nvz | _vvd: bo, rex, buzz, hamm, slink, potato, woody are all obsolete, sarge is oldstable, etch is stable, lenny is testing, and sid is as it will always be, unstable. |
| 21:25.38 | wols | moope1: ok, then eth0. how do you assing ip to it? |
| 21:25.48 | nvz | _vvd: there is also a psuedo-branch called experimental where highly volitile projects that would just divert the development process of other things would go |
| 21:26.05 | munga | dto: you need to re-compile your package and specify a particular version in debian/control or otherwise change the repository priority so that the package in your repo is always preferred... or you can pin the package to avoid upgrades |
| 21:26.08 | dalias | nvz, what are some things in experimental? |
| 21:26.21 | lontra | dalias: kde4 beta packages for example |
| 21:26.35 | dalias | ah |
| 21:26.37 | salvin | dalias, old bug fixed, new bug created :) |
| 21:26.47 | moope1 | wols, ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.8 |
| 21:26.57 | wols | moope1: bad way |
| 21:27.00 | dalias | i find that lots of packages even in unstable are too outdated |
| 21:27.00 | wols | use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:27.04 | dalias | like m17n-lib |
| 21:27.08 | wols | !tell moope1 about interfaces |
| 21:27.08 | nvz | dalias: no idea I don't fool with it.. but as I understand say we are about to release with KDE 3.4 and KDE 4.0 comes out or something.. letting that trickle down when its not even close to ready to integrate could slow down a relase process |
| 21:27.12 | dalias | and until recently, libpoppler |
| 21:27.47 | nvz | dalias: its just an extra place for DDs to stick stuff people want or they will eventually use, that is just being a PITA at the moment |
| 21:27.48 | dalias | but i suspect these are just partly unmaintained |
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| 21:28.30 | nvz | dalias: or the maintainers do not see changes that are worth the effort |
| 21:28.47 | moope1 | wols: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=20497&highlight= |
| 21:29.00 | nvz | dalias: new versions of software being added varies in difficulty depending on how many depends they have that need to be upgraded as well |
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| 21:29.14 | BlackWeb | hello everybody ;-) |
| 21:29.24 | nvz | dalias: you can't just upgrade part of large systems like X without effecting the whole system |
| 21:29.51 | dalias | *nod* well these are things without many dependencies |
| 21:29.53 | wols | moope1: use dnsmasq and of course ipmasq |
| 21:30.05 | nvz | dalias: so a maintainer is going to want the differences of the upstream code to outweigh the changes overall to debian or else he's just going to work the changes into the existing debian version |
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| 21:30.30 | nvz | dalias: you can't judge DDs by the version numbers they kick out, compare their changelogs with the upstream ones.. |
| 21:30.57 | nvz | dalias: debian people do more upstream fishing for code than they do changing of version numbers |
| 21:31.16 | nvz | which misleads people who are used to standard x.x.x versioning schemes being an indicator of revision |
| 21:31.20 | dalias | well in these two cases i'm quite aware of what is and isn't updated |
| 21:31.26 | nvz | debian has an x.x.x-x scheme |
| 21:31.38 | dalias | yes i'm not a newcomer to debian |
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| 21:31.46 | flyinprogramer | where can i get header files for 2.6.18-4-686 ? |
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| 21:31.48 | dalias | i first used it almost 10 years ago |
| 21:31.55 | _vvd | nvz, lontra got it. sid is the mother of all releases :) |
| 21:32.02 | nvz | heh |
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| 21:32.13 | nvz | _vvd: so many had those famous last words |
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| 21:32.26 | nvz | before they dissapeared off our irc screens for good |
| 21:32.29 | nvz | never to be seen again |
| 21:32.50 | nvz | !seen sid |
| 21:32.50 | dpkg | sid <n=unset@AToulouse-256-1-2-252.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 10h 17m 32s ago, saying: 'elow'. |
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| 21:33.03 | nvz | </curiosity> |
| 21:33.22 | _vvd | :P |
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| 21:36.09 | nameless | any cool bootsplash for debian ? |
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| 21:37.26 | moope1 | wols, thanks, Ill look into it |
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| 21:38.55 | juaroj | bisiten estapagina http://juaroj.obolog.com |
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| 21:44.27 | yigal | is there a usual way to fix an lvn partition for which lvreduce was used on it? |
| 21:44.28 | moope1 | wols, installing ipmasq stopped my iptables routing from workng |
| 21:44.36 | yigal | s/usual/possible |
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| 21:48.44 | danyul2 | erm, random question... |
| 21:50.36 | danyul2 | can anybody tell me what a appropriate room for talking about finite automata and subjects like that would be? |
| 21:51.07 | moope1 | !ipmasq |
| 21:51.08 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 21:52.14 | cchance | Is there anyother way to install vhcp other than from repositories |
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| 21:59.10 | cchance | um anyone here |
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| 22:00.01 | azeem | cchance: why do you not want to install vhcp from repositories? |
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| 22:00.32 | cchance | because it messes them up |
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| 22:00.43 | cchance | when i have the repos link in there it dont want to update |
| 22:00.43 | azeem | cchance: what is "them"? |
| 22:01.00 | cchance | the other links |
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| 22:03.14 | nvz | azeem: what is vhcp? |
| 22:03.22 | azeem | why do you ask me? |
| 22:03.36 | cchance | http://www.vhcp.org/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,59/func,fileinfo/id,2/ |
| 22:03.38 | nvz | cause I don't know what it is and you are the one who said it |
| 22:03.44 | azeem | nvz: I didn't |
| 22:03.53 | nvz | wth is with all the commas in that URI? |
| 22:04.00 | nvz | is that valid? |
| 22:04.01 | cchance | No i am the one |
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| 22:04.19 | azeem | cchance: that is not a Debian repository |
| 22:04.26 | nvz | well at the time of questioning azeem is the one who mentioned it on my screen |
| 22:04.30 | cchance | no |
| 22:04.34 | cchance | il show you that |
| 22:04.36 | cchance | one min |
| 22:05.00 | cchance | http://support.vhcp.org/index.php/Step-By-Step_Tutorial:VHCP_Setup |
| 22:05.03 | azeem | nvz: man scrollback |
| 22:05.09 | nvz | heh |
| 22:05.10 | azeem | cchance: so ask them |
| 22:05.17 | azeem | cchance: we only support Debian repositories here |
| 22:06.02 | nvz | actually we use debian repositories and tell you to try a different one and mail the maintainer |
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| 22:07.00 | cchance | http://debian.vhcp.org/sarge |
| 22:07.08 | cchance | deb http://debian.vhcp.org/sarge unstable main |
| 22:07.12 | cchance | they forgot a folder |
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| 22:07.36 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 22:08.10 | Spiritus55 | Alright, I need some help resizing partitions guys, my /usr finally filled up.. |
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| 22:09.42 | Spiritus55 | So, anyone wanna help me? |
| 22:09.56 | cchance | Failed to fetch http://debian.vhcp.org/etch/dists/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Why would it do that its there |
| 22:09.58 | xand | ask a specific querstion |
| 22:10.00 | xand | -r |
| 22:10.23 | azeem | cchance: not for me |
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| 22:11.01 | cchance | http://debian.vhcp.org/etch/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 22:11.05 | cchance | whats different |
| 22:11.07 | nvz | Spiritus55: I left my partition strecher in my other skirt |
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| 22:11.34 | nvz | sorry, this one doesn't even have pockets heh |
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| 22:11.53 | azeem | cchance: dists twice |
| 22:12.02 | cchance | ah |
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| 22:12.41 | nvz | Spiritus55: did you remember to put on your LVM before your /usr got too small? |
| 22:13.03 | nvz | otherwise you're kinda screwed |
| 22:13.07 | Spiritus55 | Nope.. |
| 22:13.13 | Spiritus55 | I'm removing some shit... |
| 22:13.18 | Spiritus55 | Then you guys can help me, maybe. |
| 22:13.30 | nvz | maybe, maybe not |
| 22:13.44 | nvz | streching partitions is hard to do |
| 22:14.07 | nvz | there has to be room which usually means shrinking others.. and also this means resizing filesystems which is dangerous |
| 22:14.20 | nvz | and surely cant be done with crucial filesystems while they are online |
| 22:14.58 | Tramp | Why is logrotation of /var/log/syslog part of sysklogd but all other logfiles are handled by logrotate? |
| 22:14.59 | nvz | LVM was designed to address this by allowing you to add more drives and just strech existing filesystems onto them seemlessly |
| 22:15.24 | nvz | personally if I got in that situation with no lvm I'd backup and start all over |
| 22:15.42 | cchance | Fianly its installing vhcp |
| 22:15.42 | nvz | its less headache and more routine with 100% chance of success |
| 22:16.03 | cchance | maby now i can get my company started |
| 22:16.15 | nvz | cchance: you forgot to pay us |
| 22:16.42 | cchance | ?me re reads his contract |
| 22:16.43 | nvz | nerds like money, and you need nerds to start companies |
| 22:16.50 | wols | hosting. on sid. the mind boggles |
| 22:17.09 | cchance | i dont see that any where : |
| 22:17.09 | cchance | :D |
| 22:17.12 | nvz | wols: sounds like glutton for punishment |
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| 22:17.25 | wols | yes, the customers sure are |
| 22:17.29 | cchance | yeah, but you forget. Im a geek i dont give money out |
| 22:17.37 | wols | you are a fool |
| 22:18.08 | nvz | fools and geeks look alike sometimes |
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| 22:18.17 | cchance | .. |
| 22:18.29 | cchance | Who said it was going to go nation wide |
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| 22:18.33 | abrotman | nvz: pot, kettle? :) |
| 22:18.39 | nvz | my buddy charlie the quantum physist has left his house with his shirt on backwards and/or inside out many times |
| 22:18.50 | abrotman | nvz: that's not being a fool |
| 22:18.53 | nvz | I usually don't say anything when I notice it |
| 22:19.07 | wols | abrotman: depends in whose eyes |
| 22:19.43 | abrotman | wols: you mean an idiot vs a rational person? :) |
| 22:20.25 | cchance | So your calling netfirms an fool as well? |
| 22:20.28 | keith4_ | who's hosting on sid? |
| 22:20.37 | nvz | what worries me when I see him do things like wearing his clothes backwards.. is that he might actually be more intelligent than me |
| 22:20.38 | cchance | They use Debian etch as well |
| 22:20.52 | nvz | however other than being a bigger book worm I highly doubt it |
| 22:21.33 | abrotman | nvz: ever think that he's got way more going on in his head than to check if he meets your fashion criteria ? |
| 22:22.05 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I know he does.. |
| 22:22.36 | nvz | abrotman: which is why last time we went to the store and no sooner are we outide the doors asks me did he remember to get something he had just bought at the checkout |
| 22:22.55 | nvz | abrotman: his memory and ability to focus on little things around him are like not there |
| 22:23.15 | abrotman | and this makes him a fool ? |
| 22:23.18 | nvz | funniest part is trying to talk reality to him.. |
| 22:23.37 | nvz | his only ambition is to take over the world |
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| 22:24.10 | nvz | too bad there aren't many entry-level positions for a quantum physics major for that sort of thing on the market |
| 22:25.07 | abrotman | cchance: take the gun elsewhere |
| 22:25.17 | nvz | yeah its easier to get rid of me than that |
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| 22:26.49 | nvz | I should probably be going to the bar to watch the stillers like the yinzer I am anyhow |
| 22:27.08 | nvz | though I dont think i will tonight.. |
| 22:27.33 | nvz | damn drinking town with a football problem |
| 22:27.55 | abrotman | you could watch hockey ? |
| 22:27.57 | nvz | heh |
| 22:28.04 | nvz | talk to simonrvn about that |
| 22:28.11 | nvz | I'm not canadian |
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| 22:28.52 | nvz | its like when I was in dallas all that was ever on TV was freakin soccer.. I'm like damn it people, I'm not from south america! put the damn Stillers on! |
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| 22:30.00 | nvz | white americans are a minority in texas |
| 22:30.16 | abrotman | nice |
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| 22:31.06 | nvz | yeah well I'd worry about the ones that live there |
| 22:31.09 | nvz | so it is nice |
| 22:31.12 | Spiritus55 | FUCK! |
| 22:31.23 | Spiritus55 | How do you keep aptitude from trying to automatically downloading a package? |
| 22:31.32 | Spiritus55 | It's being gay and not letting me "not" download a file. |
| 22:31.51 | Spiritus55 | If it downloads it, it'll download it first, and find that /usr is filled up.. and then end the clearing up of /usr.. |
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| 22:32.13 | abrotman | !tell Spiritus55 about gay |
| 22:32.30 | Spiritus55 | :) |
| 22:32.46 | gravity | Spiritus55: Put it on hold using the = key |
| 22:32.48 | Spiritus55 | It's not working correctly* |
| 22:33.34 | nvz | Spiritus55: which means the same thing to me :P |
| 22:33.41 | Spiritus55 | It still doesn't do it.. |
| 22:33.42 | nvz | though I do like the gay factoid |
| 22:33.44 | Spiritus55 | It refuses to not download it, because it *HAS* to fix broken file dependencies |
| 22:34.18 | Spiritus55 | This is so stupid, and it's beginning to piss me off. |
| 22:34.25 | Spiritus55 | It can't just not not download it. |
| 22:34.25 | crn | Spiritus55, try hold on the command line, like install |
| 22:34.29 | nvz | Spiritus55: its better to be pissed off than pissed on |
| 22:34.33 | Spiritus55 | :) |
| 22:34.43 | Spiritus55 | crn... ok. |
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| 22:35.00 | abrotman | or clean up /usr/ |
| 22:35.07 | cyberbrain | !rubrica |
| 22:35.32 | nvz | !rot13 crn |
| 22:35.32 | dpkg | pea |
| 22:35.40 | nvz | interesting |
| 22:35.47 | cyberbrain | !rubrica |
| 22:35.58 | abrotman | cyberbrain: what? |
| 22:36.48 | cyberbrain | abrotman, i'm looking for tips how to install rubrica on debian(deb file)! |
| 22:37.10 | abrotman | so the bot doesn't know .. ask a real question |
| 22:37.36 | nvz | cyberbrain: dpkg -i |
| 22:37.45 | cyberbrain | abrotman, installer is looking for libalt1.0-0 but it is already installed!!! |
| 22:37.53 | nvz | dpkg -i rubrica.deb |
| 22:38.00 | abrotman | cyberbrain: are you trying to compile it ? |
| 22:38.06 | cyberbrain | *libatk1.0-0 |
| 22:38.15 | nvz | dpkg: hmm somehow I don't think it will work the same |
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| 22:39.26 | cyberbrain | abrotman, nvz - it is strange that installer is looking for file that is already installed isn't it??? |
| 22:39.37 | abrotman | ARE YOU COMPILING IT? |
| 22:39.46 | cyberbrain | abrotman, NO! |
| 22:39.54 | abrotman | then what is this "installer" doing ? |
| 22:39.58 | cyberbrain | GDebi |
| 22:40.06 | abrotman | what the hell is GDebi ? |
| 22:40.15 | ben_goodger | I concur with abrotman |
| 22:40.18 | ben_goodger | ...oh |
| 22:40.27 | ben_goodger | abrotman: gdebi is dpkg -i in GUI form |
| 22:40.29 | abrotman | doctor: do you concur? |
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| 22:41.23 | abrotman | cyberbrain: dpkg -I package.deb .. paste it somewhere |
| 22:41.24 | cyberbrain | and you are saying that i should compile it from the source??? |
| 22:41.29 | abrotman | no |
| 22:43.05 | cyberbrain | abrotman, :::dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of rubrica: |
| 22:43.06 | cyberbrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.06 | cyberbrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.06 | cyberbrain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:43.22 | abrotman | i think it's fairly obvious? |
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| 22:43.33 | cyberbrain | you got it abrotman ??? |
| 22:43.49 | abrotman | cyberbrain: it tells you exactly what's wrong .. i'm not sure why you're confused |
| 22:43.55 | cyberbrain | and there is a big list of "missing" files!!! |
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| 22:44.22 | cyberbrain | i'm confused because these files ARE installed by synaptic!!!! |
| 22:44.24 | abrotman | and rubrica is in sarge/lenny/sid .. just not etch |
| 22:44.43 | creature | Hello. I'm after a couple of CLI commands: one to increase/decrease volume by a few percent on each run, and one to toggle between muted and unmuted. |
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| 22:44.46 | cyberbrain | abrotman, i'm useing etch! |
| 22:44.54 | abrotman | the rubrica isn't for etch |
| 22:45.04 | ben_goodger | dpkg, tell cyberbrain about aptitude |
| 22:45.10 | cyberbrain | abrotman, any other suggestions for address book? |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | !info rubrica |
| 22:45.21 | dpkg | rubrica: (An addressbook for the GNOME desktop), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 398 kB, Installed size: 1724 kB |
| 22:45.25 | abrotman | use the one in evolution ? |
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| 22:46.13 | yigal | not like anyone cares :) but I fixed my lvm issue - man I love lvm it rocks |
| 22:46.35 | cyberbrain | ben_goodger, thanx for the tip! |
| 22:46.37 | abrotman | creature: alsamixer maybe? .. i used to do that with aumix when i was using OSS |
| 22:47.14 | abrotman | i guess alsamixer is interactive only |
| 22:47.22 | creature | abrotman: I think that is ncurses-only. |
| 22:47.22 | cyberbrain | and one more problem! my lap top won't suspend/hibernate!any known issues??? |
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| 22:47.43 | creature | I've got a new keyboard that has lots of bindable buttons, and there's one for sound up/sound down/mute. So I figured that would be useful. |
| 22:47.56 | abrotman | creature: amixer ? |
| 22:48.36 | cyberbrain | and one more problem! my laptop won't suspend/hibernate!any known issues???and fn+volume/brightness buttons won't work!!! |
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| 22:49.41 | yigal | cyberbrain: the problems you are describing are very common using a laptop with linux |
| 22:50.28 | Nyle | hi |
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| 22:51.36 | cyberbrain | yigal, but it is working on ubuntu!!! :S |
| 22:53.00 | abrotman | debian requires more work on your part . if you're not willing to do that .. maybe you should use ubuntu |
| 22:53.04 | amphi | cyberbrain: you probably need to add a 'resume=/dev/foo' to your kernel command line, where /dev/foo is your swap partition |
| 22:53.33 | cyberbrain | amphi, how to do that? |
| 22:53.36 | creature | abrotman: That's worked a treat. "amixer set PCM 5%+", for future reference. "set PCM toggle" for mute/unmute. |
| 22:53.46 | amphi | cyberbrain: then 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' should suspend to disk, and on boot, it should resume |
| 22:53.55 | abrotman | creature: where's my beer? :) |
| 22:54.17 | creature | abrotman: In your fridge! |
| 22:54.28 | abrotman | there's a beer fairy?! |
| 22:54.58 | cyberbrain | amphi, is there some specific file that i should edit?or command i should use to change my kernel lines??? |
| 22:55.07 | xlotlu | amphi: you should turn people to the docs more :P |
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| 22:55.22 | amphi | cyberbrain: ask xlotlu ;) |
| 22:56.09 | amphi | cyberbrain: I would try from the grub shell first, and make sure it works, before editing any files |
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| 22:56.39 | cyberbrain | amphi, i think you are right about my swap partition because i had problems during installation with my swap(uwsusp or something like that problem) |
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| 22:57.19 | amphi | cyberbrain: ah - I can't help you then, I don't use uswsusp |
| 22:57.23 | xlotlu | cyberbrain: uwsusp "or something" is the thing that would take care of susp-end |
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| 22:58.01 | amphi | cyberbrain: I still use the humble swsusp |
| 22:58.02 | wezza | hibernate makes use of swap, not suspend? |
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| 22:58.27 | cyberbrain | xlotlu, is there solution for my problem???how to edit that kernel line that amphi talked about??? |
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| 22:59.48 | xlotlu | cyberbrain: when the grub prompt appears at boot you select the boot line, press e to edit it, and add what amphi said |
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| 23:00.44 | hatter | what does anyone use to clone their etch box ? i used to use mondoarchive but the recent one wants to install a kernel ! |
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| 23:01.57 | xlotlu | cyberbrain: but most likely your hibernate is not configured |
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| 23:04.04 | xlotlu | cyberbrain: if you're willing to make this work, you should read this: http://www.tuxonice.net/HOWTO |
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| 23:04.15 | amphi | xlotlu: swusp is in debian kernels |
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| 23:05.23 | cyberbrain | xlotlu, i |
| 23:05.31 | cyberbrain | thanx guys |
| 23:05.38 | spx2 | I'm doing ls | grep "[:digit:]*.pdf" and I'm expecting to get all files like 3214345.pdf |
| 23:05.41 | spx2 | but I'm not |
| 23:05.44 | spx2 | what am I doing wrong ? |
| 23:05.48 | xlotlu | amphi: i know, i use it on my laptop.. |
| 23:05.56 | cyberbrain | i'll try everything you said and read this HOWTO! |
| 23:06.10 | cyberbrain | thanks again! |
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| 23:07.07 | spx2 | I'm currently doing this |
| 23:07.09 | spx2 | ls | perl -ple '$_="" unless /\d+\.pdf/;' | grep -v ^$ |
| 23:07.09 | acidchild | hey, anyone know how to fix Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 23:07.15 | acidchild | with the nvidia driver. |
| 23:07.20 | spx2 | just because of the fact that I don't know how to use grep properly |
| 23:07.24 | spx2 | can someone help me ? |
| 23:07.25 | spx2 | please ? |
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| 23:07.59 | abrotman | grep [0-9] ? |
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| 23:08.23 | spx2 | abrotman: yes but I need to add a kleen star to it |
| 23:08.27 | spx2 | like [0-9]* |
| 23:08.30 | spx2 | and it does not work |
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| 23:08.37 | wols | acidchild: what videcard or driver do you use? |
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| 23:09.09 | \amethyst | spx2: grep '[0-9]*' |
| 23:09.32 | \amethyst | if you don't quote it the shell will get hold of it first |
| 23:09.46 | spx2 | abrotman: ls | grep "^[0-9]*\.pdf$" |
| 23:09.50 | spx2 | abrotman: that seems to work |
| 23:09.53 | yigal | hey I wanted to say thanks to all you for not responding to my cries for help its made me a better autonomous thinker |
| 23:09.58 | spx2 | \amethyst: thanbks :) |
| 23:10.07 | Spiritus55 | Alright, I can't 2 packages... because they both depend on each other... |
| 23:10.22 | Spiritus55 | openoffice.org-common and openoffice.org-core... |
| 23:10.35 | wols | aptitude install <both packages> |
| 23:10.36 | Spiritus55 | They both depend on each other, so the system auto "fixes" the broken files.. |
| 23:10.43 | Spiritus55 | I want to remove them. |
| 23:10.45 | Spiritus55 | wols |
| 23:11.05 | wols | then remove openoffice? |
| 23:11.13 | wols | or use remove instead of install |
| 23:12.15 | Spiritus55 | God.. finally. |
| 23:12.16 | cyberbrain | xlotlu, i have 2GB DDR - that means that i should have swap >= 2GB??? |
| 23:12.24 | wols | cyberbrain: no |
| 23:12.29 | Spiritus55 | I had to remove along with them all of the file dependencies. |
| 23:12.54 | spx2 | how can I do xargs mv ? |
| 23:12.56 | spx2 | abrotman: ? |
| 23:12.58 | spx2 | \amethyst: |
| 23:12.58 | spx2 | ? |
| 23:13.04 | cyberbrain | wols, but it says if i want suspend mode works fine it should be like taht |
| 23:13.11 | cyberbrain | *that |
| 23:13.17 | wols | oh, for supsend yes of course. mea culpa |
| 23:13.18 | wols | sry |
| 23:13.31 | wols | usually you don't need that much swap |
| 23:13.43 | wols | and you need at least 2GB |
| 23:13.52 | cyberbrain | wols, no pb :D!think i've found my problem! |
| 23:13.55 | spx2 | wols: how do I do xargs mv because I need 2 params for mv |
| 23:13.58 | spx2 | wols: ? |
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| 23:14.19 | xlotlu | cyberbrain: actually if you intend to use swap suspend, it would be safe to have a swap > 2xRAM |
| 23:14.32 | cyberbrain | wols, can i resize my swap in gparted and not to harm my system???? |
| 23:14.39 | themill | cyberbrain: at present, the suspend-to-disk implementations in the kernel won't make an image bigger than 1/2 physical memory. TuxOnIce will make a bigger image than that though. |
| 23:15.00 | wols | cyberbrain: you don't need to resize swa. you delete it and create new |
| 23:15.29 | cyberbrain | wols, ok! |
| 23:15.52 | wols | unmounting the swap before deleting it of course |
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| 23:20.25 | ringo999 | its really strange, in order for my wifi card to find my network, i have to restart the drivermodule ipw3945. Any idea why that could be? |
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| 23:21.04 | BBHoss | hey can someone help me setup BIND on debian? I'm trying to use webmin to configure it, but when i try to run an nslookup using the ns server as itself, it always times out when doing it from another computer |
| 23:21.48 | ringo999 | how can i change the terminal resolution. and by terminal i dont mean a terminal window in x, but the command screen after bootup... |
| 23:21.59 | abrotman | stop using webmin |
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| 23:22.05 | themill | !tell BBHoss about webmin |
| 23:22.39 | BBHoss | ive tried configuring it manually too, i still can't get it to work |
| 23:22.49 | BBHoss | my hosts file looks correct too |
| 23:23.10 | horde | !tell horde about webmin |
| 23:23.20 | BBHoss | heh, lemme allow the port in firewall too :) |
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| 23:23.48 | themill | !tell ringo999 about ipw3945 reload |
| 23:23.57 | horde | hmm webmin sounds good ..i will download it |
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| 23:26.30 | themill | !tell ringo999 about vgaconsole |
| 23:27.13 | themill | night all! |
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| 23:28.20 | BBHoss | can anyone take a look at my configs and tell me if they see a problem? |
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| 23:29.31 | BBHoss | named.conf - http://rafb.net/p/Nd7HGl48.html |
| 23:29.51 | Spiritus55 | How do I turn an un-named partition into a named partition? |
| 23:30.11 | Spiritus55 | I have a partition that is 200 something megabytes.. but I can't cd into it.. |
| 23:30.26 | Spiritus55 | It's name is /dev/hda11... but.. it won't let me actually use it. |
| 23:30.37 | Spiritus55 | I want to assign it a label like "/stuff" |
| 23:30.55 | wols | you mean you want to "mount" it |
| 23:30.57 | wols | man mount |
| 23:31.00 | BBHoss | hosts file - http://rafb.net/p/KQW86s95.html |
| 23:31.01 | wols | !tell Spiritus55 about grounding |
| 23:31.34 | Spiritus55 | ... |
| 23:32.01 | ben_goodger | /dev/hda11 (you really have 11 partitions?) is just the name that linux gives the partition itself |
| 23:32.10 | Spiritus55 | It's just the name it gave itself.. |
| 23:32.20 | Spiritus55 | But, I need to assign it a name like /stuff or /music for instance. |
| 23:32.20 | ben_goodger | the filesystem contained on it has to be mounted at a "mountpoint" |
| 23:32.47 | BBHoss | mkdir /music |
| 23:32.56 | BBHoss | mount /dev/hda11 /music |
| 23:32.56 | Spiritus55 | That's just a directory.. |
| 23:33.00 | Spiritus55 | I see.. |
| 23:33.07 | ben_goodger | once you've created /stuff ("mkdir /stuff") you need to run mount to mount it ("mount /dev/hda11 /stuff") |
| 23:33.14 | wols | Spiritus55: you need to read the grounding stuff, trust me |
| 23:33.26 | Spiritus55 | Ok... if you say so. |
| 23:33.44 | ben_goodger | you can have linux mount everything on boot, but the potential for screw-ups is so great I am not going to tell you the filename |
| 23:33.52 | BBHoss | heh |
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| 23:40.55 | Solet | how do i determine if the port i attempted to open up in ipmasq actually opened up? |
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| 23:55.18 | Spiritus55 | Is there a command or a way to merge 2 partitions together? |
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| 23:55.36 | Spiritus55 | I have 2 partitions that are about... 200 megabytes a-piece.. and I'd like to just merge them. |
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| 23:55.50 | Spiritus55 | They aren't anything like /home or /boot... just some free space left over from after the install |
| 23:55.56 | wols | try gparted |
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