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| 00:00.23 | ShadowPhoenix | Why do I have a port for apache AND apache2 0_o? |
| 00:00.39 | dondelelcaro | ShadowPhoenix: because you've got both of them installed and running |
| 00:00.53 | ShadowPhoenix | wow, that seems like the worst possible idea ever |
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| 00:00.58 | dondelelcaro | not really |
| 00:01.04 | Tsarin | 2.6.18-5-686 - running! yeah! |
| 00:01.22 | dondelelcaro | there are reasons to be running both, but if you don't know what they are, remove whatever one you aren't using (or both) |
| 00:01.49 | ShadowPhoenix | dondelelcaro: but, apache is like before apache2 |
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| 00:01.54 | dondelelcaro | ShadowPhoenix: so? |
| 00:01.59 | ShadowPhoenix | which means that somebody might like, exploit it |
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| 00:02.22 | dondelelcaro | ShadowPhoenix: there are at this moment no known exploits for apache or apache2 which haven't been fixed by DSAs |
| 00:02.58 | dondelelcaro | ShadowPhoenix: age isn't much of an indicator when it comes to security vulnerabilities |
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| 00:03.02 | ShadowPhoenix | okay |
| 00:03.32 | bulio | abrotman: I did aptitude install postfix, now what? |
| 00:03.41 | dondelelcaro | ShadowPhoenix: but again, if you don't know why you're running both apache and apache2, remove the one that you aren't using, or both. |
| 00:03.51 | ShadowPhoenix | removed apache1 |
| 00:03.59 | abrotman | bulio: you ignored me! |
| 00:04.08 | abrotman | bulio: if you want pop3 .. maybe use dovecot |
| 00:04.24 | bulio | ok well I simplify what I want to do |
| 00:04.33 | ShadowPhoenix | how do i reset my password for phpMyAdmin? |
| 00:05.11 | bulio | Create a mailserver that can send and recieve mail from a domain |
| 00:05.17 | bulio | ex. bulio@example.com |
| 00:05.25 | Orion_X11 | drasko: go to #cups |
| 00:05.26 | bulio | and let me access it via a web interface |
| 00:05.33 | bulio | to send & receive mails |
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| 00:07.12 | ShadowPhoenix | For some reason Apache2 thinks 127.0.1.1 is right |
| 00:07.13 | ShadowPhoenix | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 00:07.22 | ShadowPhoenix | How do I change it to 127.0.0.1? |
| 00:07.37 | Tsarin | what does "rc" mean on dpkg -l |
| 00:07.54 | semprix | ShadowPhoenix: bind address? |
| 00:08.14 | stew | Tsarin: r in the first column means that you have requested it be removed, c in the scond column means that it has been removed but not purged so Configuration files remain |
| 00:08.55 | Tsarin | so "sudo apt-get purge foo" will delete it all together? |
| 00:08.57 | ShadowPhoenix | semprix: how does that work? |
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| 00:09.43 | semprix | ShadowPhoenix: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/bind.html |
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| 00:09.59 | semprix | you can also set some virtual address |
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| 00:10.22 | Tsarin | is there a way to list only the files left in a package that has "rc" status? |
| 00:10.36 | rajesh | hello. i use aptitude, and marked some packages to be upgraded using U. how does one unmark the list? |
| 00:10.40 | ShadowPhoenix | thank you semprix |
| 00:10.47 | Strogg | Tsarin: grep -E "^rc" ? :) |
| 00:10.57 | semprix | ShadowPhoenix: no problem |
| 00:11.46 | rajesh | s in, i want to cancel the upgrade. |
| 00:11.48 | rajesh | as |
| 00:11.58 | Skaag | how do I change a volume's block size in fstab? |
| 00:12.07 | Skaag | trying to tweak performance of a sata drive here |
| 00:12.15 | Skaag | ,bs=4096? |
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| 00:13.20 | rajesh | anyone? |
| 00:13.34 | ShadowPhoenix | Where is the password for phpMyAdmin stored? |
| 00:13.42 | stouset | Is there anyway to stub start-stop-daemon during a dpkg -i? |
| 00:14.01 | abrotman | ShadowPhoenix: probably in the database |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | stub ? |
| 00:14.08 | stew | Skaag: you would copy the data off, create a new filesystem with mkfs.ext3, then copy the data back on. 4096 is the default block size. note that by increasing it, you will potentially increase performance at the expense of space efficiency |
| 00:14.12 | stouset | abrotman: I want it to not actually start the daemons. |
| 00:14.24 | stouset | abrotman: I'm trying to set up a VM, but installing packages fails when they try to start a daemon. |
| 00:14.31 | MASoft | ShadowPhoenix: You means password for MySQL itself ? |
| 00:14.32 | stouset | abrotman: I'm setting it up in a chroot. |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | stouset: comment out the bit in the postinst |
| 00:15.06 | ShadowPhoenix | MASoft:I just installed PHPMyadmin and totally forgot my root password I used for the databse |
| 00:15.07 | semprix | ShadowPhoenix: phpMyAdmin? usually have it on a .htaccess file |
| 00:15.09 | stouset | abrotman: Trying to make this an automated process. |
| 00:15.14 | stouset | abrotman: :\ |
| 00:15.17 | semprix | ohh |
| 00:15.17 | ShadowPhoenix | Or maybe i broke it :/ |
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| 00:15.23 | ShadowPhoenix | MASoft: #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured) |
| 00:15.44 | stew | ShadowPhoenix: is mysql started? |
| 00:15.44 | semprix | ShadowPhoenix: is mysql really running ? |
| 00:15.49 | Skaag | stew: I think it's already 4096 right now |
| 00:16.01 | MASoft | ShadowPhoenix: first run this : /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | stouset: automated would be .. dpkg -i <pkg> :) |
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| 00:16.08 | stew | Skaag: yes, that is the default |
| 00:16.27 | semprix | ShadowPhoenix: check if mysql is really running ps -aux | grep mysqld |
| 00:16.35 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:16.46 | ShadowPhoenix | Wow! |
| 00:16.51 | ShadowPhoenix | Thank you so much! |
| 00:17.01 | ShadowPhoenix | That fixed it, a simple restart |
| 00:17.06 | stouset | abrotman: Right. But that fails. :\ |
| 00:17.07 | semprix | cool |
| 00:17.08 | semprix | : |
| 00:17.10 | semprix | :) |
| 00:17.13 | lightcap_ | how can I tell what source a package was installed from? I'm not sure my system is in a consistent state... I somehow have ruby 1.8.5 binaries, but I don't see that those are available from testing nor stable.... |
| 00:17.16 | MASoft | ShadowPhoenix: enjoy :) |
| 00:17.18 | ShadowPhoenix | I restarted apache2 like a billion times, but totally forgot about a mysql! :D |
| 00:17.57 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: you're going to wear out the power button doing that ;) |
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| 00:18.07 | ShadowPhoenix | Supaplex: :D!!! |
| 00:18.12 | lightcap_ | (and really I need 1.8.6, but don't want to go around dpkg and install from source) |
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| 00:18.57 | ShadowPhoenix | Supaplex: I already flicked the house switch once :D |
| 00:19.03 | yotta | where can i get the source for the debian installer? |
| 00:19.08 | yotta | I need to modify it. |
| 00:19.27 | rajesh | yotta: try the debian installer channel. |
| 00:19.31 | Supaplex | p debian-installer - Debian installer |
| 00:19.37 | Supaplex | apt-get source :) |
| 00:19.45 | rajesh | heh |
| 00:19.51 | rajesh | or that |
| 00:20.01 | Atalanta | how do i figure out what the apt-get package for allegro is called? |
| 00:20.02 | yotta | Supaplex: run apt-cache show debian-installer... |
| 00:20.06 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 00:20.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 00:20.15 | yotta | " This package currently only contains some documentation for the Debian installer. We welcome suggestions about what else to put in it." |
| 00:20.34 | Supaplex | Oh well abrotman's got a smarter idea |
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| 00:20.42 | Atalanta | anyone know? |
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| 00:21.02 | yotta | abrotman: specificly, I want to install to an ATA-over-Ethernet device |
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| 00:21.12 | Strogg | Atalanta: check out apt-file. it's pretty cool |
| 00:21.23 | Strogg | Atalanta: or you can click on packages on debian.org and try the search thingy |
| 00:21.39 | Supaplex | !tell Atalanta -about search |
| 00:21.56 | slidesinger | Atalanta: apt-cache pkgnames | grep allegro |
| 00:21.59 | Strogg | err.. s/sr$/rs/ |
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| 00:22.16 | Atalanta | slidesinger: cool!! |
| 00:22.17 | Atalanta | tx |
| 00:22.42 | stouset | abrotman: Actually, it seems that the segfault comes from trying to actually execute /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst |
| 00:22.56 | stouset | dpkg clones, then tries to wait on the new pid, which fails. |
| 00:23.00 | stouset | And I haven't a clue why. |
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| 00:24.06 | ShadowPhoenix | Can anyone teach me how to use the command 'find'? |
| 00:24.14 | ShadowPhoenix | For some reason the man was not helpful |
| 00:24.27 | ShadowPhoenix | And I keep doing 'find | grep stuff' |
| 00:24.30 | stew | ShadowPhoenix: try the info page |
| 00:25.38 | Orion_X11 | ShadowPhoenix: The basic is $ find / -name *.jpg (as an example) |
| 00:25.40 | Supaplex | ShadowPhoenix: find -name \*stuff\* |
| 00:25.46 | snacky | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
| 00:26.18 | ShadowPhoenix | wow |
| 00:26.22 | yotta | how big is a basic stripped down etch install? |
| 00:26.25 | ShadowPhoenix | It is... so.... |
| 00:26.27 | ShadowPhoenix | FAST!!!! |
| 00:26.28 | abrotman | 300MB or so |
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| 00:26.30 | hexxa^ | Hej |
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| 00:26.37 | ShadowPhoenix | Thank you Supaplex and Orion_X11 and snacky! :D |
| 00:26.41 | hexxa^ | wups wrong chan |
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| 00:26.56 | ShadowPhoenix | find ampache / worked like a charm |
| 00:27.13 | ShadowPhoenix | and it worked so many times faster than "cd /, find | grep ampache" |
| 00:27.25 | Atalanta | is it possible to use tar to unzip .zip archive fils? |
| 00:27.27 | Atalanta | *files |
| 00:27.38 | Supaplex | !unzip |
| 00:27.38 | dpkg | i heard unzip is a program to unzip (stangely enough) zip files. apt-get install unzip will install unzip-crypt |
| 00:27.44 | Atalanta | lol |
| 00:28.11 | Orion_X11 | ShadowPhoenix: There is another cmd called "locate" as well :-) |
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| 00:32.01 | alanhaggai | Is sid newer than lenny? |
| 00:32.46 | ShadowPhoenix | Orion_X11: that looks usefull :) |
| 00:33.01 | lightcap_ | okay, better question: I used to roll my own backports for a few packages (ruby and postgres mostly) by building from source from sid packages (this was on sarge though). Now that etch is out, and lenny is the old sid I should just be able to pin to the packages I want and not build them right? |
| 00:33.19 | lightcap_ | alanhaggai: sid is always the unstable release |
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| 00:33.54 | alanhaggai | lightcap_, so will I be able to get all the latest software like Gnome and KDE4 there? |
| 00:34.25 | lightcap_ | alanhaggai: it's more recent, yes, but that's not the reason to go with sid; it's "unstable" for a reason |
| 00:34.35 | stouset | Greeaaat. |
| 00:34.42 | stouset | Perl segfaults on readdir on directories inside a chroot. |
| 00:34.50 | ShadowPhoenix | this is so emarrasing |
| 00:34.51 | alanhaggai | lightcap_, what about lenny? |
| 00:34.59 | ShadowPhoenix | I just got my own captcha 5 times wrong |
| 00:35.13 | lightcap_ | alanhaggai: it's more stable :-) |
| 00:35.19 | lightcap_ | and less stable than etch |
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| 00:35.28 | Kiron | r |
| 00:35.35 | Orion_X11 | lightcap_: Etch is stable and lenny is testing |
| 00:35.40 | alanhaggai | lightcap_, I will upgrade to lenny then. Thank you. :) |
| 00:35.48 | moope1 | how do I test to see if packets are being dropped by my router? |
| 00:35.48 | lightcap_ | Orion_X11: um, I know. |
| 00:36.03 | lightcap_ | he asked about sid first |
| 00:36.33 | lightcap_ | Orion_X11: hence, lenny is more stable than sid, and less stable than etch |
| 00:37.48 | DawnLight | is there a problem with the ftp protocol as a client through nat? |
| 00:38.22 | Supaplex | DawnLight: yes |
| 00:38.23 | wols | yes |
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| 00:38.38 | DawnLight | jints? |
| 00:38.42 | DawnLight | hints? |
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| 00:38.51 | Orion_X11 | lightcap: alanhaggai: My system is a mix of lenny and unstable and it is running marvellously |
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| 00:39.08 | DawnLight | my nat box is a debian etch |
| 00:39.17 | alanhaggai | Orion_X11, that is good news :) |
| 00:39.45 | lightcap_ | Orion_X11: mine too :-) |
| 00:40.01 | alanhaggai | Orion_X11 and lightcap_ , can you share your sources.list? |
| 00:40.01 | Orion_X11 | :-) |
| 00:40.12 | lightcap_ | but I wouldn't run unstable as a dist unless you know exactly what you're doing with deb |
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| 00:40.31 | alanhaggai | Oh I see. I am pretty new. |
| 00:40.56 | lightcap_ | alanhaggai: so stick with etch or lenny and if you have a specific need, then figure out how to get what you need. |
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| 00:41.04 | litage|w | why would htop list PIDs that top doesn't list, and that aren't in /proc/ ? |
| 00:41.14 | alanhaggai | lightcap_, ok. Thanks. :) |
| 00:41.28 | jayeola | litage|w: good question. /me listens in |
| 00:41.49 | ShadowPhoenix | litage|w: good question! |
| 00:41.57 | Orion_X11 | alanhaggai: Stable is better to servers IMHO |
| 00:42.08 | alanhaggai | Ok. |
| 00:42.14 | stouset | Ok. I've narrowed it down. |
| 00:42.22 | stouset | Perl craps out with a segfault when calling opendir(". |
| 00:42.28 | litage|w | jayeola, ShadowPhoenix: the PIDs in question belong to ntop according to htop |
| 00:42.30 | stouset | Perl craps out with a segfault when calling opendir(DIR, "."); readdir(DIR); |
| 00:42.33 | stouset | When in a chroot. |
| 00:42.38 | jayeola | hrm |
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| 00:42.59 | ShadowPhoenix | ntop? |
| 00:43.02 | jayeola | i'll have to run something like pmap |
| 00:43.12 | ShadowPhoenix | gash, I just learning about htop like a day ago |
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| 00:43.44 | Orion_X11 | alanhaggai: But if it is a normal desktop I would say to you to use testing. So you can get lots of updates |
| 00:44.26 | alanhaggai | Orion_X11, yes. That is what I am looking for. Can you share your sources.list file? |
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| 00:45.08 | kisielk | I'm getting an error in my syslog "User account has expired" for cron |
| 00:45.13 | kisielk | any ideas what's causing that? |
| 00:45.29 | Orion_X11 | alanhaggai: yes |
| 00:45.52 | Galaxor | Say: Y'know how some videogame CDs are written in such a way that you can't use normal methods to copy them? That program "alcohol 120%" on windows can copy them. Is there anything that will work like that in Linux? |
| 00:46.14 | Galaxor | I've seen lots of normal ripping/burning software, like k3b, gnomebaker, etc. |
| 00:46.35 | Galaxor | But they don't seem to be able to handle the confusing formats that videogames are burned in. |
| 00:47.11 | MASoft | Galaxor: k3b works for some of them, but not all of them ! |
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| 00:47.41 | Galaxor | MASoft: Apparently not civ4. |
| 00:48.30 | DawnLight | my desktop is a debian connected to a debian NAT box which, in turn gets internet from the neighboor's wireless AP. what would be the best way for me to make it possible to use an ftp client in active mode in my desktop? ALG? UPnP? wha? |
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| 00:48.48 | Galaxor | MASoft: Do you know anything about KIso? Is that supposed to work? |
| 00:48.53 | litage|w | Galaxor: have you tried using dd? |
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| 00:50.24 | MASoft | Galaxor: No. And about the k3b I heard from my friends who used CloneCD or Alcohol120%. I don't have any special cd which I want to take a copy using special methods, so I don't know |
| 00:52.13 | yotta | anyone know how to send alt-f1 to screen? |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | chvt |
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| 00:54.33 | Galaxor | litage: dd doesn't work for crazy copy-protected games. |
| 00:55.03 | Galaxor | litage: It claims to have read errors. |
| 00:55.23 | dondelelcaro | Galaxor: even alchohol et al. wouldn't be able to properly rip them |
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| 00:56.01 | dondelelcaro | Galaxor: generally those copyright schemes work by having a known sector which is bad; ripping it is one part, actually creating a useful copy is another |
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| 00:58.21 | yotta | Galaxor: dd_rescue can probably rip it |
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| 00:59.52 | techouse | i need some help: my DVD drive won't mount any DVDs |
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| 01:00.42 | litage|w | techouse: look through the output from dmesg |
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| 01:01.00 | peterS | techouse: you mean video DVDs (as opposed to data DVDs)? |
| 01:01.09 | techouse | udf dvd |
| 01:01.11 | peterS | techouse: did you try 'mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt' or similar? note the -t udf |
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| 01:01.56 | techouse | here's a snapshot of the error |
| 01:01.57 | techouse | http://shrani.si/f/1o/13A/4cUzJUOj/snapshot1.png |
| 01:02.29 | techouse | dmesg | tail ? |
| 01:02.46 | techouse | it says Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 01:03.13 | peterS | techouse: is /dev/hda correct? I mean I have no way of knowing your system, do you have multiple CD drives etc... |
| 01:03.19 | Kiron | good icons techouse |
| 01:03.24 | Hurga | Hi there. I'd like to disable the matroxfb module. It's not in the initrd anymore and matroxfb_base disabled=1 in /etc/modules does not work. Any ideas? |
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| 01:03.42 | yigal | Hurga: blacklist? |
| 01:03.43 | techouse | yeah... 2x DVD and 1x CD |
| 01:03.51 | peterS | techouse: is the DVD known good? like can you read it elsewhere? |
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| 01:03.58 | techouse | sudo mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt |
| 01:03.59 | techouse | mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 01:04.15 | techouse | it is...i read it 2 days ago on the same system |
| 01:04.17 | peterS | techouse: any other output? if not, it probably succeeded |
| 01:04.22 | Hurga | yigal: does not work eiter |
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| 01:04.36 | Kiron | techouse, dmesg | grep ATAPI |
| 01:04.37 | techouse | other output? |
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| 01:04.59 | peterS | CAiRO_: who are you? |
| 01:05.03 | techouse | hda: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 01:05.04 | techouse | hdb: CD-W58E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 01:05.04 | techouse | hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 01:05.04 | techouse | hda: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2000kB Cache, UDMA(66) |
| 01:05.04 | techouse | hdb: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 1280kB Cache, DMA |
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| 01:05.05 | yigal | wow that is one persistent module. You are sure it is a module and not built in? |
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| 01:05.18 | yigal | techouse: that sucked dude |
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| 01:05.48 | Hurga | yigal: got it in lsmod... and it distorts my video only halfway through boot, so I guess not. |
| 01:06.07 | techouse | well.....what now? |
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| 01:06.32 | yigal | Hurga: so what does sudo rmmod matroxfb |
| 01:06.35 | yigal | do? |
| 01:06.47 | peterS | yigal: you mean matroxfb_base |
| 01:06.57 | peterS | yigal: and I don't think it will allow itself to be rmmodded |
| 01:07.19 | ShadowPhoenix | Why doesn't debian come with a woman? |
| 01:07.25 | ShadowPhoenix | like, it comes with man pages |
| 01:07.28 | ShadowPhoenix | but no woman pages |
| 01:07.31 | yigal | peterS: is this like a framebuffer? |
| 01:07.35 | peterS | yigal: yes |
| 01:07.47 | Hurga | yigal: |
| 01:07.49 | Hurga | backup:~# rmmod matroxfb_base |
| 01:07.49 | Hurga | ERROR: Module matroxfb_base is in use |
| 01:07.53 | yigal | peterS: can't that be disabled using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | Hurga: modprobe -r |
| 01:08.11 | Hurga | Which is kinda expected, since it distorts my video :) |
| 01:08.15 | peterS | abrotman: won't help, it binds itself to the console and won't let go |
| 01:08.22 | peterS | yigal: xserver-xorg isn't directly involved |
| 01:08.27 | Hurga | abrotman: same |
| 01:08.30 | abrotman | peterS: silly framebuffer! |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | so he'd have to blacklist it and reboot ? |
| 01:08.58 | yigal | abrotman: blacklisting seems to have no effect :) |
| 01:09.04 | peterS | abrotman: there may be a way to manage bindings between fbs and consoles in recent kernels - I know it's been a wishlist feature for a long time - but I don't know how, if so. I was hunting for something like it last week |
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| 01:09.11 | abrotman | there's more than one kind of blacklist ? |
| 01:09.13 | Hurga | blacklist matroxfb_base |
| 01:09.13 | Hurga | blacklist matroxfb_DAC1064 |
| 01:09.13 | Hurga | blacklist matroxfb_accel |
| 01:09.13 | Hurga | blacklist matroxfb_Ti3026 |
| 01:09.13 | Hurga | blacklist matroxfb_g450 |
| 01:09.13 | Hurga | blacklist matroxfb_misc |
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| 01:09.24 | ShadowPhoenix | what is the paster bot? |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | well .. i'm done :) |
| 01:09.32 | abrotman | ShadowPhoenix: not avialable anymore |
| 01:09.34 | dondelelcaro | ShadowPhoenix: woman is an emacs module |
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| 01:09.47 | dondelelcaro | (WithOut man) |
| 01:10.04 | peterS | yeah but so is getris, which just goes to show |
| 01:10.05 | ShadowPhoenix | amazing, so Debian is _NOT_ discriminating |
| 01:10.11 | ShadowPhoenix | that's always good to know |
| 01:10.23 | dondelelcaro | peterS: that emacs even includes the kitchen sink |
| 01:10.39 | dondelelcaro | peterS: and other tasteful appliances and plumbing |
| 01:10.44 | peterS | right, right |
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| 01:10.56 | ShadowPhoenix | 0_o |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | peterS is a monkey! |
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| 01:21.14 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:21.14 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
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| 01:21.29 | torr | anyone knwo a terminal with bidi? |
| 01:21.45 | abrotman | i thought most of them had it |
| 01:21.45 | Hurga | I really wonder whose idea it was to include a module which changes display resolution in mid-boot and which can't be switched off |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | it can be |
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| 01:22.35 | techouse | hmm...strange it mounts an ISO dvd but it doesn't mount an UDF dvd?! |
| 01:22.59 | wols | udf not in the kernel? |
| 01:23.05 | Hurga | matroxfb_base disabled=1 *should* work according to modinfo matroxfb_base, dot doesn't |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | Hurga: fine .. cheat .. delete the damn module from the system |
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| 01:24.57 | JordiGH | Any recommended tools for doing a dictionary attack on a shadow file? |
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| 01:25.52 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the recommendation is to not have passwords that are vulnerable to such things |
| 01:25.54 | Hurga | abrotman: that's like puncturing the tires of a car in order to prevent someone from usng it... works, but it's destructive and just not the right way. |
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| 01:26.14 | mzuverink | can someone recommend an ident server which is easy to configure? |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | Hurga: you've done the /msg dpkg blacklist and done all the steps ? |
| 01:26.36 | dagbrown | An *ident* server? |
| 01:26.38 | |Max_-| | Each time I restart the machine, I have to readjust the time +4 hours... can I fix this once for all? |
| 01:26.45 | mzuverink | identd |
| 01:26.53 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I have legit reasons to do this. :-) |
| 01:27.07 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: like what? If your users pick bad passwords, use crak |
| 01:27.29 | abrotman | |Max_-|: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 01:27.40 | dondelelcaro | s/crak/cracklib/ |
| 01:27.41 | |Max_-| | ok |
| 01:27.58 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: The sysadmins set up some Ubuntu machines with a generic username and password. No networking, the machines don't even have a name, and right now they're unusable |
| 01:28.16 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: They're adminning them as if they were Windows boxen. :-/ |
| 01:28.21 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: so turn the machines off, and restart them with init=/bin/bash; and reset the password |
| 01:28.42 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I'd rather not change the password, but it's ok, I just figured out what it was anyways. |
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| 01:29.48 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: And what's "crak"? It doesn't seem to be a Debian package. |
| 01:30.12 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: cracklib, not crak |
| 01:30.21 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's part of pam |
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| 01:31.30 | dondelelcaro | it probably should be enabled by default, but for historical reasons it has not been |
| 01:31.51 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Hm, does this mean I'll have to write some short code to do the cracking? |
| 01:31.54 | dondelelcaro | (well, the historical reasons being that libpam-cracklib is separate) |
| 01:32.14 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: no, the point is that you should enable that in pam so that no cracking is necessary; users just can't pick crappy passwords. |
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| 01:32.46 | JordiGH | You're kidding me, then. There are no password cracking utilities in Debian? |
| 01:33.01 | dondelelcaro | if you're talking about gaining access to a box that doesn't belong to you or whose administration isn't in your remit, then I don't intend to assist you in committing a crime. |
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| 01:33.27 | dondelelcaro | and if the administration is in your remit, then changing the password is the trivial method to do it |
| 01:33.49 | JordiGH | Dude, these sysadmins have no clue what to do with Ubuntu, they're absent, and they won't care what I do with their boxes. If they see something that doesn't work, their solution is to reinstall the OS. |
| 01:34.00 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: so change the password |
| 01:34.04 | Hurga | abrotman: put it in blacklist.local instead of blacklist this time... still the same. |
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| 01:34.28 | abrotman | Hurga: did you read the bit about initrd ? |
| 01:34.52 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Oh, found it. crack |
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| 01:35.04 | dondelelcaro | took long enough |
| 01:35.10 | n3kl_ | Can someone help me troubleshoot this, please? On machine A, I do xhost +machineB. Then on machineB, I do x2x -to machineA:0 and I get x2x - error: can not open display durance:0. What am I missing? |
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| 01:35.20 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: And don't lecture me. I doubt this is illegal in Mexico anyways. |
| 01:35.42 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: I don't particularly care whether you're prosecuted; I'm talking about myself. |
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| 01:36.14 | Hurga | abrotman: Well, if I look into my initrd with cpio, the modules are not there.. but OK, doing the same again |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | Hurga: there are other notoriously hard to blacklist modules |
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| 01:36.46 | dondelelcaro | esp. if a module is being loaded by X |
| 01:37.51 | torr | I am trying mlterm, but it shows no hebrew fonts |
| 01:38.27 | yigal | Hurga: sorry I had a problem with my desktop and had to sign out but was is the story of the framebuffer module has a solution been found? |
| 01:38.46 | yigal | Hurga: is it loaded at boot? |
| 01:39.39 | Hurga | yigal: No solution yet. It's loaded from root, it's not in initrd. blacklisting doesn't work. |
| 01:40.19 | yigal | Hurga: so you can't log in from rescue mode deal with it there, how evil :) |
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| 01:41.28 | Hurga | hmm? I can log in via network. |
| 01:43.10 | yigal | can a kernel module be deleted with no ill effect to the kernel, or at least moved ? |
| 01:43.46 | Hurga | I guess I could delete the modules, should work, but throw some nasty errors. |
| 01:44.03 | \amethyst | because the string 9497!=9497 is not empty |
| 01:44.04 | \amethyst | doh |
| 01:44.18 | Hurga | I could as well use another graphcs card :/ |
| 01:44.21 | yigal | Hurga: what kind of box are you using to need such an interesting module? |
| 01:44.49 | DawnLight | my desktop is a debian connected to a debian NAT box which, in turn gets internet from the neighboor's wireless AP. what would be the best way for me to make it possible to use an ftp client in active mode in my desktop? ALG? UPnP? wha |
| 01:46.18 | \amethyst | is the debian NAT box itself behind another NAT? |
| 01:46.26 | Hurga | yigal: I *don't* need the module. previous stable didn't have it and I was all happy. But the box has a Matrox G200 and the module switches video console default (700x500 or so) to 640x480 which means I can't see mat I type anymore (bottom line is out of screen). |
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| 01:46.41 | DawnLight | \amethyst: yes, the wireless AP |
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| 01:47.26 | \amethyst | DawnLight: both NATs will need something like the ip_nat_ftp module |
| 01:47.33 | Hurga | yigal: call me naive, but I thought there should be some easy and common way to disable such a module. |
| 01:47.37 | \amethyst | which is easy enough in Debian, but I have no idea about the AP |
| 01:48.06 | stouset | Why would some LVM partitions be missing from /dev/$VOLUME_GROUP? |
| 01:48.08 | stouset | They're under /dev/mapper |
| 01:48.19 | DawnLight | \amethyst: i've been able to do ftp in the past, when there wasn't a box between the desktop and the ap |
| 01:48.37 | \amethyst | then maybe the AP already does that |
| 01:49.07 | DawnLight | \amethyst: what does it do exactly? upnp? alg? |
| 01:49.15 | yigal | Hurga: I am sorry it must be frustrating |
| 01:49.25 | Atalanta | guys, is there a better distribution than debian for simple programming? |
| 01:49.35 | Atalanta | (in cpp) |
| 01:49.37 | DawnLight | \amethyst: or should i just look up that module and see what it is about |
| 01:49.56 | gravity | Atalanta: The programming tools are pretty much the same across all distros |
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| 01:50.03 | \amethyst | DawnLight: I'm not sure if you'll need ip_nat_ftp or ip_conntrack_ftp, but it's one of those |
| 01:50.20 | Atalanta | gravity: nuh uh, macosx has xcode and i cant find an editor as elegant as it for linux |
| 01:50.30 | gravity | Atalanta: OSX is not a linux distro |
| 01:50.40 | Atalanta | yeah im not saying it is |
| 01:50.51 | gravity | "nuh uh" implies that you are, but anyway... |
| 01:50.59 | Atalanta | im wondering if there is a distro that suits dev'ing as well as osx does |
| 01:51.04 | Hurga | yigal: Anyway, thanks for your help. Got to get some sleep now. |
| 01:51.10 | gravity | Linux folks tend to use either vim or emacs when doing c++ |
| 01:51.26 | gravity | There's eclipse available though, as well as kdevelop, anjunta, and about a zillion other ide's |
| 01:51.29 | bsmntbombdood | i did an apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade from stable to testing and it failed with this message: http://pastebin.ca/746220 |
| 01:51.30 | yigal | Hurga: so the module is blacklisted and you are fine using another driver? -- oh g'night |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | eclipse and anjuta come to mind if you can't code without a GUI tool |
| 01:51.56 | Hurga | yigal: No, the module is blackisted but still there |
| 01:51.58 | DawnLight | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | most good programmers i know find GUI tools to interfere .. but whatever |
| 01:52.27 | Hurga | yigal: I guess /etc/modprobe.d/display_class has the answer, but I need to check that tomorrow. |
| 01:53.27 | DawnLight | !ip_nat_ftp |
| 01:53.27 | dpkg | [ip_nat_ftp] /* So there I am, in the middle of my `netfilter-is-wonderful' talk in Sydney, and someone asks `What happens if you try to enlarge a 64k packet here?'. I think I said something eloquent like `fuck'. */ -- linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_ftp.c, lines 119-122 |
| 01:53.36 | Atalanta | abrotman: i really just like xcode for the highlighting. ive gotten used to the colors. i guess a better question then is to ask if there is a way to get (for scite) the same color theme for c++ that xcode uses |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | vim has highlighting |
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| 01:54.02 | gravity | Everything has syntax highlighting |
| 01:54.15 | bsmntbombdood | and apt-get install sysvinit-utils fails too |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | gravity: nano too?! |
| 01:54.24 | yigal | dpkg is hilarious with C code comments and everything :) |
| 01:54.30 | gravity | heh |
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| 01:54.36 | gravity | I always forget that people use that |
| 01:55.00 | DawnLight | yigal: i see you've joined the team |
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| 01:55.03 | Atalanta | abrotman: vim scares the hell ou of me |
| 01:55.09 | abrotman | tough shit .. learn it |
| 01:55.39 | gravity | Atalanta: If all you want is syntax highlighting, geany is supposed to be nice and friendly. Even gedit does syntax highlighting |
| 01:55.41 | yigal | join them or lose to them, you decide |
| 01:55.49 | yigal | abrotman: :) |
| 01:55.53 | gravity | Atalanta: You might like something like anjuta or kdevelop though |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | i said anjuta .. it's a GUI C++ editor |
| 01:56.05 | Atalanta | gedit is ugl |
| 01:56.05 | Atalanta | y |
| 01:56.12 | Atalanta | = |
| 01:56.13 | Atalanta | =D |
| 01:56.23 | Atalanta | maybe i can figure this out |
| 01:56.23 | Atalanta | bbl |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | your keyboard is broken |
| 01:56.25 | yigal | Atalanta: not powerful thats is the problem with gedit |
| 01:56.33 | Atalanta | maybe |
| 01:57.15 | gravity | Atalanta: vim and emacs are amazingly powerful, so if you want to do a lot of programming (or text editing of any kind) they're worth your time |
| 01:57.33 | gravity | They're not simple though, that's for sure |
| 01:57.33 | Atalanta | gravity: well im trying to get out of :h in vim... lol |
| 01:57.47 | gravity | Atalanta: Heh, :q |
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| 01:57.59 | Atalanta | ah tx |
| 01:57.59 | yigal | Atalanta: Ctrl+z |
| 01:58.01 | gravity | :q closes any window or buffer |
| 01:58.22 | Atalanta | yeah i was afraid cuz i thought it would quit the whole thing after i wrote something |
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| 01:58.28 | Atalanta | i assume vim can compile too? |
| 01:58.32 | yigal | Atalanta: Ctrl-z bring you back to the terminal |
| 01:58.39 | gravity | Atalanta: Not really, but you can use :make if you have a makefile |
| 01:58.42 | gravity | Atalanta: It's not an IDE |
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| 01:58.49 | Atalanta | yeah i do |
| 01:58.56 | gravity | Although it can sorta act like one if you really want |
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| 01:59.06 | jerbear | anyone used nx free edition (not freenx)? |
| 01:59.10 | gravity | s/sorta// |
| 01:59.12 | Atalanta | lol i gotta figure out the damned moving around keys, like End and Home |
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| 01:59.48 | gravity | G or :$ is end. Home is :0 and probably something I haven't memorized |
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| 02:00.23 | stouset | gg |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 02:00.31 | dpkg | somebody said vi tutorial was at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 02:00.54 | gravity | stouset: Ah, thanks. I really should use that |
| 02:01.27 | yigal | also vim comes with its own tutorial, vimtutor |
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| 02:01.40 | stouset | gravity: Saves having to hit the shift key. :) |
| 02:01.55 | gravity | stouset: Yeah, and stretching to 0 |
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| 02:07.12 | yigal | I like LSD but UNIX is a little bit more presumptuous |
| 02:07.28 | \amethyst | oh? |
| 02:07.38 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:07.39 | \amethyst | How is BSD not Unix? |
| 02:07.52 | Azar | because is a LSD ? |
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| 02:10.52 | Azar | drop out from what, Ronin? |
| 02:10.54 | techouse | solved the probelm |
| 02:10.59 | techouse | problem |
| 02:11.06 | techouse | i had to update mount |
| 02:11.08 | techouse | :P |
| 02:11.08 | Ronin | guess you missed the lsd reference Azar ? |
| 02:11.17 | Azar | ah that one :) |
| 02:11.24 | Nyle | hi |
| 02:11.30 | Azar | messer Nyle.. |
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| 02:12.24 | yigal | I'm Leary of it all |
| 02:12.25 | Azar | the fan on this fine PC is driving me crazy... I dusted it, but it seems it needs some lube |
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| 02:12.55 | yigal | Azar: loud fans suck unless there willing to do more than just be loud |
| 02:13.34 | Azar | dry and dusty here in So Cal.... every PC starts cranking after two years of usage |
| 02:14.25 | yigal | Azar: where in so cal, I'm in Long Beach where the fire is adding lovely fresh dust to the already far too clean air :) |
| 02:14.38 | Azar | this is a small case, I guess it needs a really good ventilation |
| 02:14.50 | Azar | N. Los Angeles |
| 02:15.00 | yigal | sorry a bit off topic, but cool |
| 02:15.42 | Azar | I wonder, in other US zone, say humid one, Florida, what do they get? rusty parts on their PCs? |
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| 02:16.19 | snacky | Azar: no |
| 02:16.46 | Azar | If I were to look on the good side, no matter the weather, climate, Debian runs on any mill |
| 02:16.51 | snacky | more like damage to power supply from the unreliable power. and, various types of damage from flooding and deposits |
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| 02:17.27 | Azar | ew, flooding, lightnings.. |
| 02:17.37 | minerale | How can I setup a middleman filter similar to nc -l -d 80 (listening through netcat) but where I connect to another site and simply observer traffic |
| 02:17.48 | minerale | a la a ssh tunnel which is being logged |
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| 02:18.53 | abrotman | http proxy ? |
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| 02:23.35 | Miles_Prower | Azar: Tampa, FL PC Tech here. |
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| 02:23.50 | Miles_Prower | Azar: Power supply = #1 death source. |
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| 02:24.45 | Miles_Prower | #2 is likely fried nic that messes up PCI bus, from lightning strike to cable line that cascades through router, etc. |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | #3 .. damn gators |
| 02:25.12 | Miles_Prower | Lol |
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| 02:26.10 | \amethyst | Miles_Prower: I had #2 happen to me... good to hear I'm not alone :) |
| 02:26.24 | rechner | Is anybody else having problems with lame and flac encoding not showing up in the KDE audiocd plugin? I read the source code of the package but still cannot figure out what's going wrong. |
| 02:26.42 | Miles_Prower | We do networks. Let's just say last week there was one where it blew out the modem, wifi router, and two pc's nics. |
| 02:27.36 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: i blame the grandma with a large capacitor |
| 02:27.53 | Azar | Miles_Prower: ouch, I should consider myself lucky just having a dry, dusty fan making annoying noises |
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| 02:28.37 | Azar | uh at #3, that would be a total loss |
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| 02:31.16 | Ronin | woody? |
| 02:31.28 | Azar | that all I got... |
| 02:32.18 | Azar | Ronin: you are on the mailing list team too? :) |
| 02:32.47 | Ronin | team? hell no, subscribe and read though |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | seems to be a lot of spam ? |
| 02:34.20 | Azar | wow nice: Corel Linux is "based-on" Debian Slink... nice incentive |
| 02:34.31 | Ronin | abrotman: oh ya |
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| 02:34.37 | Azar | I never got to see the Slink |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | Azar: corel linux is dead .. long live .. uhm .. what is it now? |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | Xandros! |
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| 02:35.17 | abrotman | libranet ? |
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| 02:35.22 | maxamillion | abrotman: have you ever used Xandros? ... i've thought about giving it a shot ... but i am weary |
| 02:35.28 | Azar | hmm they haven't updated the site then, look down on this site: http://www.aboutdebian.com/order.htm |
| 02:35.34 | maxamillion | abrotman: no, you were right the first time, Corel is now Xandros |
| 02:35.36 | ameyer | for those whose souls are already owned by Microsoft... |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | maxamillion: no .. i have no interest |
| 02:35.50 | maxamillion | abrotman: fair enough |
| 02:36.11 | ameyer | from what I've heard about Xandros, it sounds really, really closed for a linux |
| 02:36.15 | maxamillion | abrotman: i just like the appeal of debian base and a company i can call and yell at when something goes catastrophically wrong |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | maxamillion: i have more interest in distros not based on debian .. |
| 02:36.35 | maxamillion | abrotman: really? ... why is that? |
| 02:36.54 | Azar | like Debian GNU.. :) |
| 02:36.59 | Azar | the real deal |
| 02:37.12 | ameyer | not to mention Xandros's deal with the devil |
| 02:37.29 | Azar | theblack sheep |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | maxamillion: debian does what i want for a distro .. a debian based distro isn't really interesting .. what would i get out of using one? |
| 02:38.07 | wols_ | maxamillion: for variety. a debian based distro he would be always reminded of debian. with a totally different one he'd see new things |
| 02:38.24 | wols_ | things debian might not do that way. at least the chance of seeing such things is higher |
| 02:38.30 | abrotman | i mean .. it'd be like a dist-upgrade .. done those tons of times! :) |
| 02:38.40 | maxamillion | heh |
| 02:38.47 | gordo | is anyone here good at getting windows programs to work on debian? |
| 02:38.56 | ameyer | abrotman: if you used Xandros or Lindows^H^H^H^Hspiree, you could use Debian and sell your soul to the devil... |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | wine .. and/or #winehq |
| 02:39.00 | wols_ | gordo: polls are bad mkeay? |
| 02:39.13 | gordo | what? |
| 02:39.13 | maxamillion | well, i'm generally a debian faithful for my needs but i understand its lack of appeal to the people i work for because there is no company to call and yell at when things die ... so they bought RHEL |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | ameyer: yeah .. but he's my brother .. seems odd |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | maxamillion: there are companies that sell support for debian |
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| 02:39.43 | gordo | sorry i just got debian like 2 days ago so i dont know much about it |
| 02:39.50 | Azar | $104.79 for the official Debian 4.0 CD set of 21 |
| 02:39.57 | Azar | niccceee |
| 02:40.03 | ameyer | If you used noobuntu, you could buy support... |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | !tell gordo about wine |
| 02:40.06 | wols_ | abrotman: debian is rarely certified for the "special " software |
| 02:40.07 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah, that i wasn't aware of |
| 02:40.18 | abrotman | wols_: and neither are most of the debian-based ones |
| 02:40.35 | abrotman | i think maybe oracle runs on ubuntu .. but it also runs on debian |
| 02:40.40 | wols_ | yep. which is why rh and suse are so popular with phbs |
| 02:40.53 | wols_ | there is a debian certified for DB2 |
| 02:40.59 | wols_ | a german company did it and supports it |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | yay ibm! |
| 02:41.15 | wols_ | etch |
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| 02:46.25 | aunes | quick question: I have an amd64 processor. Should I even bother with 64 bit or just do 32bit? |
| 02:48.17 | \amethyst | aunes: do you need to run proprietary software like flash? |
| 02:48.36 | aunes | \amethyst, as this will be a desktop machine, probably. |
| 02:48.43 | \amethyst | aunes: Then I'd recommend sticking with 32-bit for now, perhaps with an -amd64 kernel |
| 02:49.22 | \amethyst | aunes: getting flash working with a 64-bit iceweasel is a pain (and not supported in etch) |
| 02:49.33 | aunes | ahhh. |
| 02:50.13 | aunes | what advantages does the 64 bit kernel offer over a 32 bit variant? |
| 02:50.24 | \amethyst | you can use more memory, and you can run a 64-bit chroot |
| 02:50.32 | \amethyst | the latter probably doesn't matter to you |
| 02:50.54 | aunes | it doesn't really and as I have only 2 gigs of ram, I may stick with the 32-bit variety |
| 02:52.05 | aunes | one last question: setting up X... is it difficult like slack used to be (manually editing xorg.conf files, etc) or more like ubuntu is now? |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | which window manager do you want ? |
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| 02:53.48 | aunes | flux or gnome, most likely. I'm not a kde fan, although there is a (small) possiblity I may use xfce |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg gnome gdm ... will get you a gui login(gdm) and gnome |
| 02:54.49 | hf_linux | can anyone tell me that which package holds the command: xpidl ? |
| 02:55.00 | aunes | flipping sweet. easier than I had figured :) |
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| 02:56.29 | \amethyst | hf_linux: apt-file search xpidl |
| 02:57.45 | hf_linux | thank you |
| 02:57.59 | \amethyst | I don't think there is a package that provides a /usr/bin/xpidl |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | !find xpidl etch |
| 02:58.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xpidl' (5): (/usr/lib/icedove/xpidl) in mail/icedove-dev ;; (/usr/lib/xulrunner/xpidl) in devel/xulrunner ;; (/usr/lib/xulrunner/sdk/bin/xpidl) in libdevel/libxul-dev ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/icedove/xpidl) in mail/icedove-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner/xpidl) in libdevel/libxul0d-dbg. |
| 02:58.34 | \amethyst | rather it seems that each XUL host devel package provides its own version in /usr/lib/{progname} |
| 02:58.39 | karsten | abrotman: Don't eat the blue pill! |
| 02:59.01 | abrotman | karsten: too late .. the red one had old bay on it! |
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| 02:59.25 | mrwoody | I would like to use distcc with a redhat box. Since it is going to be cross-compiling, does anyone know what packages I need to install on the redhat box? |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | maybe ask #redhat |
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| 03:00.26 | hf_linux | oh |
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| 03:03.28 | grndslm | heya.... i'm trying to add a new feature to the gweather applet.... |
| 03:04.04 | grndslm | where it keeps 3 pictures of your location in 20min duration, so that you can see which direction the weather/rain/whatever is going.... |
| 03:04.46 | grndslm | but i don't really know where to start.... i think i've got the source for libgweather, but i don't really know what to do from here on out |
| 03:05.42 | kupesoft | What packages are in the "Base System" in the netinst disk? |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | for the programming bit .. ask around on irc.gnome.org |
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| 03:16.31 | acidchild | hi i get this error when trying to use anything GL on my machine, even glxinfo -> eror of x.org.log http://pastebin.ca/746285 |
| 03:16.47 | acidchild | ever since i did a update. :o |
| 03:17.43 | dto | apt-get install checkinstall fails on my debian etch. what's the Proper Way to install it? |
| 03:18.58 | yigal | dto: that is a proper way or else just download off the web and install it |
| 03:19.08 | yigal | with dpkg |
| 03:19.42 | Guerin | no |
| 03:19.53 | Guerin | that last way is the stuff of madness |
| 03:20.18 | dondelelcaro | if apt-get won't install it, fix the problem. |
| 03:20.46 | stew | dto: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 03:25.49 | FarrisG | I've got a datacenter with several CentOS boxes succesfully using ldap/krb5 to authenticate against Active Directory. However, I can't seem to get Debian configured to do the same. I have ldap and krb5 working: I can get a krb ticket, and submit a successful ldapsearch. But if I do a "getent passwd", I only see the local users, even though I've added "ldap" to my nsswitch.conf. Any ideas? |
| 03:27.07 | karsten | FarrisG: pastebin nsswitch.conf |
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| 03:27.41 | n3kl_ | Is there any reason why I would not want to use subersion over apache? |
| 03:28.47 | FarrisG | karsten: http://pastebin.ca/746295 |
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| 03:30.04 | optraz1 | where is kernel home located? |
| 03:30.18 | \amethyst | optraz1: kernel home? |
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| 03:30.42 | optraz1 | \amethyst: i wnat to compile a package |
| 03:30.49 | optraz1 | which require kernel |
| 03:30.52 | \amethyst | optraz1: headers are in /usr/src/linux-headers-<version> |
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| 03:31.00 | \amethyst | usually /usr/src/linux is a link to that |
| 03:31.09 | nick_ | how do i search for packages? |
| 03:31.14 | Gm4n | this isn't exactly a debian question, but I can't get answers anywhere else, and I *am* using debian :). When I try and "make", I get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/746262 <-- what does it mean, and what do I do? |
| 03:31.20 | \amethyst | optraz1: you probably want to use module-assistant if it's a debian package |
| 03:31.35 | karsten | optraz1: Where yo put it. |
| 03:31.37 | \amethyst | Gm4n: what are you trying to build? |
| 03:31.45 | karsten | optraz1: Usually /usr/src/something. |
| 03:32.04 | \amethyst | nick_: aptitude search something |
| 03:32.15 | \amethyst | nick_: or aptitude search ~Dsomething to search the full descriptions |
| 03:32.29 | karsten | FarrisG: Looks sane. I'm no expert at this and I'm leaving. |
| 03:32.32 | Gm4n | amethyst: the DH1080 key exchange from http://fish.sekure.us |
| 03:32.40 | Atalanta | sign: http://www.noooxml.org/petition |
| 03:32.45 | Gm4n | the end result is a .so |
| 03:32.46 | \amethyst | Gm4n: do you have this MIRACL thing it's talking about? |
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| 03:32.59 | Gm4n | yes, I compiled miracl and put it in the dir like it asked |
| 03:33.09 | \amethyst | Gm4n: oh, you're worried about the ld at the end |
| 03:33.12 | Gm4n | (miracl is a math library) |
| 03:33.12 | nick_ | thanks, what does aptitude mean by p? |
| 03:33.21 | nick_ | purge? what does it mean by purge? |
| 03:33.26 | \amethyst | Gm4n: as it suggests, you want to be compiling with -fPIC |
| 03:33.30 | nick_ | when a file is not installed it says p |
| 03:33.46 | \amethyst | Gm4n: add that to CFLAGS in the makefile, probably |
| 03:34.17 | optraz1 | ameyer: karsten deb package looks like in /usr/src/linux but not for rpm based package. |
| 03:34.39 | mudge | \amthyst: thanks for the search info, works beatifully |
| 03:35.15 | Gm4n | \amethyst: the makefile is a bit of a mess, no cflags section. should I put -fPIC into every gcc call? |
| 03:35.28 | \amethyst | Gm4n: yup |
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| 03:36.01 | \amethyst | Gm4n: *hopefully* there won't be a problem with miracl.a |
| 03:36.42 | \amethyst | Gm4n: but you might have to recompile that with fPIC too |
| 03:37.03 | mudge | what does purge mean when aptitude says it? |
| 03:37.06 | mudge | p |
| 03:37.14 | mudge | for packages that are not installed, what is p? |
| 03:37.32 | Gm4n | gotta recomile .a also |
| 03:38.44 | Gm4n | \amethyst: what about with the g++ calls in miracl? |
| 03:38.51 | \amethyst | mudge: it does stand for purged |
| 03:38.54 | \amethyst | Gm4n: yes |
| 03:39.00 | \amethyst | Gm4n: and g77 if that's there :) |
| 03:39.51 | mudge | thanks, what does purged mean? I don't understand how it could be purged when it hasn't even been installled |
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| 03:41.07 | litage|w | mudge: "purged" means that the package *and its config files* have been removed |
| 03:41.20 | Gm4n | \amethyst: it's still broken :( |
| 03:41.43 | Gm4n | even after I recompiled miracl.a with -fPIC and used that to recompile DH1080 with -fPIC |
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| 03:42.21 | \amethyst | Gm4n: same error or different ones |
| 03:42.35 | \amethyst | mudge: because there's no way to tell the difference |
| 03:42.40 | Gm4n | http://pastebin.ca/746304 |
| 03:43.00 | \amethyst | mudge: between a package that's been purged and one that has never been installed. I admit, it's a bit counterintuitive |
| 03:43.32 | acidchild | hi i get this error when trying to use anything GL on my machine, even glxinfo -> eror of x.org.log http://pastebin.ca/746285 |
| 03:43.56 | Supaplex | !anyone use scim |
| 03:43.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses scim, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:44.37 | \amethyst | Gm4n: oh, hm... I should have noticed that the first time |
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| 03:46.16 | \amethyst | Gm4n: the problem is that it's using both --static and --shared |
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| 03:46.42 | \amethyst | Gm4n: --static is pulling in crtbeginT, which isn't compiled for PIC |
| 03:46.52 | Gm4n | umm, ick? |
| 03:46.57 | \amethyst | Gm4n: try removing --static |
| 03:47.03 | Gm4n | where do I go for that? |
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| 03:48.24 | \amethyst | crtbeginT is the system C runtime startup code for statically-linked code... if you link without --static it should use a different version that is compiled as PIC |
| 03:48.39 | Gm4n | so I need to edit makefile? |
| 03:49.03 | \amethyst | Gm4n: yes, remove the -static on the linker command line |
| 03:49.06 | Gm4n | by the way, I put a #include for string.h into file, and it isn't the same errors any more: http://pastebin.ca/746311 |
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| 03:49.33 | obnauticus | How do I have bash echo something into a command after it's run |
| 03:49.34 | obnauticus | like |
| 03:49.44 | obnauticus | telnet host 80 && echo "`GET /`" |
| 03:49.58 | obnauticus | my friend is telling me something with a < or > sign and stuff |
| 03:50.02 | \amethyst | echo "GET /" | telnet host 80 |
| 03:50.19 | \amethyst | in bash specifically you can do telnet host 80 <<<"GET /" |
| 03:50.22 | obnauticus | while the telnet session is going on |
| 03:50.27 | Guerin | obnauticus: never use telnet |
| 03:50.30 | Gm4n | it works, thanks \amethyst! |
| 03:50.36 | \amethyst | Gm4n: kind of |
| 03:50.45 | Gm4n | kind of |
| 03:50.46 | Gm4n | ? |
| 03:50.53 | obnauticus | \amethyst 16: Syntax error: redirection unexpected |
| 03:50.56 | \amethyst | Gm4n: that warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size is troubling |
| 03:51.06 | obnauticus | telnet ....le.com 80 <<< echo "\ |
| 03:51.19 | \amethyst | obnauticus: that's not what I said |
| 03:51.32 | obnauticus | I know I'm not doing a GET / though |
| 03:51.47 | \amethyst | you want the version with a pipe |
| 03:51.49 | Gm4n | amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/746314 |
| 03:52.06 | \amethyst | <<< is really mostly for passing a known string to a program |
| 03:52.19 | mudge | ah thanks for the answer |
| 03:52.23 | obnauticus | What's the version with a pipe then :/ |
| 03:52.33 | obnauticus | because I tried it with backquotes, which failed misrably... |
| 03:52.36 | \amethyst | obnauticus: echo "GET /" | telnet host 80 |
| 03:52.48 | obnauticus | wouldn't that just echo GET / before starting the telnet session though? |
| 03:52.59 | mbt | Where is the information on setting up a Debian automatic package building server hidden? |
| 03:53.00 | \amethyst | do you know what pipes are? |
| 03:53.04 | obnauticus | Ya. |
| 03:53.25 | \amethyst | it prints something to telnet's stdin |
| 03:53.41 | \amethyst | telnet isn't going to read it and send it over the network until telnet starts, obviously |
| 03:53.49 | \amethyst | also, you probably want netcat rather than telnet |
| 03:53.49 | obnauticus | oh |
| 03:53.50 | obnauticus | :/ |
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| 04:05.39 | chowmeined | When building a .deb where do I specify in my config files/dirs to ignore? |
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| 04:06.25 | obnauticus | \amethyst when I'm doing multi line stuff in a bash script, do I have to use " \" at the end of my line before my \r\n? |
| 04:06.37 | obnauticus | ie. echo " \ |
| 04:06.37 | obnauticus | POST /gameRegister.php?key=3bd8fdb090f1f5eb66a00c84dbc5ad51 HTTP/1.1 \ |
| 04:06.56 | \amethyst | obnauticus: you can also do that with a heredoc |
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| 04:07.10 | \amethyst | obnauticus: on the first line netcat host 80 <<EOF |
| 04:07.36 | \amethyst | obnauticus: then a number of lines of input, then EOF on its own on a line |
| 04:08.04 | \amethyst | but, yes, backslash works to ignore line breaks |
| 04:08.11 | obnauticus | lol |
| 04:08.13 | obnauticus | to ignore them :/ |
| 04:08.35 | \amethyst | You can embed newlines in quotes without problems |
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| 04:08.59 | \amethyst | but the heredoc thing might be a bit easier to read |
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| 04:15.11 | obnauticus | thanks \amethyst :) |
| 04:15.14 | obnauticus | that helped a lot |
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| 04:19.06 | obnauticus | \amethyst how do I use operators? |
| 04:19.08 | obnauticus | like |
| 04:19.15 | obnauticus | i know it's something like |
| 04:19.29 | obnauticus | if [ -f ${i%l} ]; then |
| 04:20.17 | \amethyst | depends on what you want to do |
| 04:20.27 | \amethyst | you might /join #bash |
| 04:20.35 | obnauticus | they are probably asses there though :/ |
| 04:20.40 | \amethyst | and ask good questions |
| 04:20.42 | obnauticus | I normally google this stuff, as I have been. |
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| 04:21.03 | \amethyst | they're not usually asses if you ask good questions :) |
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| 04:21.36 | \amethyst | but they're kind of picky about what constitutes a good question |
| 04:22.11 | obnauticus | I haven't ben there I just assumed lol. |
| 04:22.55 | obnauticus | not operators i mean like... |
| 04:22.59 | obnauticus | directives! |
| 04:22.59 | obnauticus | yes |
| 04:23.07 | obnauticus | like script.sh -f 2313 -s 21 |
| 04:23.08 | snacky | I heard #bash sometimes gets clones and flooders, so you might get mixed results there |
| 04:23.10 | obnauticus | or something like that. |
| 04:23.23 | \amethyst | snacky is just jealous |
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| 04:23.46 | snacky | jealous? I thought I was goldfish_! confusing! |
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| 04:24.59 | \amethyst | obnauticus: I'm still not sure I understand the question... you want to know how to deal with command-line arguments and options? |
| 04:25.16 | obnauticus | ya |
| 04:25.52 | \amethyst | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ#faq35 |
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| 04:30.18 | k0001 | which package provides the contents of /etc/apache2/* ?? |
| 04:31.53 | Supaplex | !apt-file |
| 04:31.54 | dpkg | somebody said apt-file was a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 04:31.57 | Supaplex | k0001: ^^^^ |
| 04:33.39 | k0001 | nice, thanks Supaplex |
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| 04:41.33 | nownott | hey ubuntu folks couldnt help me. i want to edit iptables for http, ftp, ssh, and vpn <- if anyone knows how do do vpn. any help? |
| 04:41.53 | Supaplex | !ubuntu |
| 04:41.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 04:42.05 | Supaplex | nownott: install debian :) |
| 04:42.27 | nownott | lol, yes i just might then i can get some real nerds helping me |
| 04:42.30 | nownott | :) |
| 04:42.42 | obnauticus | \amethyst does this work? for score ssid in $* |
| 04:42.44 | kgoetz | nownott: ask #ubuntu-server if #ubuntu was no good. |
| 04:42.48 | obnauticus | for the variable score and ssid? |
| 04:43.03 | jlilly | hey guys. Just installed edge. Do I _need_ more than 2 listings in sources.list? |
| 04:43.25 | nownott | thanks |
| 04:43.42 | kgoetz | np |
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| 04:54.25 | maxomatic | hi all |
| 04:56.19 | maxomatic | i'm looking for some help getting the headphone jack on an HP Pavilion notebook working |
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| 05:04.48 | Teejay__ | hi, anybody familar with totem-xine program |
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| 05:05.18 | Teejay__ | I have it installed on debian etch and I am wondering if the ffmpeg package needs to be installed |
| 05:05.48 | Teejay__ | to provide codecs which aren't supported in libxine1 package installed with xine |
| 05:06.28 | alaya | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:06.28 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 05:08.40 | Teejay__ | back, I am aware of debian-multimedia site, however I found a ffmpeg package in the debian offical packages |
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| 05:10.12 | Teejay__ | thank you anyway for the tips |
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| 05:12.17 | jlilly | looking for some help with /etc/apt/sources.list Where can I go for a more complete list of repositories? I currently have 2 deb and 2 deb-src listings. |
| 05:13.52 | kgoetz | what are they? |
| 05:14.20 | alaya | !tell jlilly about sources.list |
| 05:15.05 | jlilly | alaya, huh. so only 2, eh? |
| 05:15.42 | alaya | plus the security ones |
| 05:16.02 | alaya | oh that's in there |
| 05:16.30 | jlilly | yea. I have main + security. I figured there would be more due to my ubuntu experiences. |
| 05:16.57 | alaya | there aren't more in ubuntu |
| 05:17.26 | alaya | just add nonfree and contrib if you want those |
| 05:17.50 | alaya | anyhow, i'd read the example doc it mentions |
| 05:17.59 | jlilly | ty! |
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| 05:18.52 | logyati | hello |
| 05:19.28 | logyati | i have an applet installed that should appear on "add to panel" window... but its not... so, how can i add an applet to this list manually? |
| 05:19.35 | kgoetz | ubuntu has -updates and -security, debian just has security |
| 05:19.37 | Tsarin | \quit |
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| 05:19.58 | kgoetz | logyati: probably need to 'killall gnome-panel' for it to appear |
| 05:20.16 | logyati | kgoetz, i restarted the system already |
| 05:20.25 | kgoetz | logyati: not sure |
| 05:20.31 | alaya | kgoetz: what is the -updates one about? |
| 05:20.56 | kgoetz | alaya: not-security fixes, any update thats not security basically. |
| 05:21.06 | logyati | kgoetz, i think i know the problem... i have to export a variable xport BONOBO_ACTIVATION_PATH=/usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers right after reboot |
| 05:21.11 | logyati | but i dont know how to do that |
| 05:21.15 | alaya | kgoetz: but doesn't that go into the main repo then? |
| 05:21.23 | kgoetz | alaya: updates? no |
| 05:22.08 | alaya | kgoetz: why? is that to make it easier to back out of updates if needed? |
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| 05:23.44 | kgoetz | alaya: i'm not entirely sure, i thinnk so people dont /have/ to download bugfixes, they can run buggy, but with security if they wwant |
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| 05:25.04 | alaya | "buggy"? is that the nickname for the next release?? |
| 05:25.13 | alaya | buggy bunny? |
| 05:25.43 | kgoetz | lol. its every release *grin* </harsh, andprobably not fair> |
| 05:25.56 | kgoetz | buggy - with bugs |
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| 05:35.25 | alaya | my god is the crystal window decoration in kde cool |
| 05:35.56 | alaya | with background transparency its like hyperwarp |
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| 05:40.46 | toki | Hi, I am currently running running debian 4.0 on a p4 ht processor, is it possible to move the HD with debian to a dual core xeon system? |
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| 05:41.39 | alaya | yes |
| 05:42.40 | alaya | i think the safest would be in install a 386 kernel and reinstall the regular kernel after the move |
| 05:43.03 | toki | Wouldn't it conflict like in the kernel? |
| 05:43.12 | alaya | i think that at kernel install it detects the cpu type and customizes it on the fly |
| 05:43.22 | alaya | no you can have both installed. |
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| 05:43.41 | alaya | just boot the 386 one and use it until reinstall |
| 05:43.52 | toki | on debian web xeon is under the amd64 kernel hmm |
| 05:44.04 | Guerin | no |
| 05:44.09 | alaya | i have a dual core which runs 686 kernel |
| 05:44.16 | alaya | i don't know difference with xeon |
| 05:44.27 | toki | what dual core are you running? |
| 05:44.44 | Guerin | a xeon is just a dual pentium 3 or better |
| 05:44.48 | Guerin | or p4 perhaps |
| 05:44.51 | alaya | linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 is what i use |
| 05:44.51 | toki | ah |
| 05:45.14 | Guerin | they're all 686, not amd64 at all (although newer ones support the amd64 extensions) |
| 05:45.17 | kgoetz | using 686 means you run 32bit |
| 05:45.19 | kgoetz | thats all |
| 05:45.22 | alaya | my cpu is supposed to be 64-bit. i was never sure why i cannot install any 64-bit OS on it |
| 05:45.37 | alaya | they will not install |
| 05:45.40 | streuner | !hakadance Guerin |
| 05:45.53 | Guerin | !kiwismite streuner |
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| 05:46.31 | toki | so if it doesnt work all right i would have to reinstall the kernel eh |
| 05:46.45 | alaya | what?? |
| 05:47.16 | liable | beer time |
| 05:47.39 | kgoetz | liable: :| |
| 05:47.59 | toki | i mean if somehow debian cant boot =/ |
| 05:48.18 | alaya | toki: why wouldn't it boot? |
| 05:48.33 | liable | kgoetz: that should be a :) |
| 05:48.35 | kgoetz | toki: *if* it cant boot, you won be able to easily transplant the hdd. |
| 05:48.55 | kgoetz | liable: its not - i dont get beer oclock for ~5 hours :| |
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| 05:49.08 | toki | ah nvm |
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| 05:49.13 | liable | kgoetz: sucks to be you ;) |
| 05:49.20 | toki | i just had bad experience with transferring hd before |
| 05:49.24 | kgoetz | liable: :P bastard :D |
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| 05:50.22 | alaya | toki: is it 64 bit or not? what kernel or OS was on it before? |
| 05:50.32 | kgoetz | how old is the hardware? |
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| 05:50.50 | Speedism | how do i disable users from using the "w" or "finger" command? |
| 05:51.14 | liable | image processing is so tedious.. |
| 05:51.21 | alaya | cut off their ring finger, if their using qwerty? |
| 05:51.32 | toki | alaya: debian 4.0 686 |
| 05:51.34 | Speedism | hehe |
| 05:52.15 | alaya | Speedism: move them to /usr/sbin ? that might not be totally *kosher* but would work |
| 05:53.02 | alaya | Speedism: or maybe chmod/chown /usr/bin/w.procps appropriately... |
| 05:53.15 | kgoetz | Speedism: why do you want to do that? |
| 05:53.20 | Guerin | it has been beer o'clock here for some time |
| 05:53.20 | alaya | and /usr/bin/finger also |
| 05:53.27 | Guerin | and yet I have had no beer |
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| 05:53.59 | Internat | so i have a small problem. i have a 4hdds in a raid 5.. and it appears that 2 of them have just randomly dropped out.. the file system has automatilcy unmounted |
| 05:54.23 | Internat | how the hell do i find out why the other 2 hdds died and get them back in there.. |
| 05:54.24 | Speedism | cus i dont' want them to see whose connected |
| 05:54.31 | kgoetz | Internat: look in syslog |
| 05:54.39 | Speedism | ahh |
| 05:54.41 | Speedism | ok thx alaya |
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| 05:55.26 | liable | hah, i dont think you can be so smug considering |
| 05:55.38 | liable | kgoetz: overated homebrew! |
| 05:55.43 | liable | except pale |
| 05:55.47 | Guerin | liable: technically, you did go out before us |
| 05:55.52 | kgoetz | liable: what what !! |
| 05:55.53 | alaya | i get it its 5pm in Australia |
| 05:55.57 | Internat | im thinking the card overheated.. its been cooled down now.. but its not bringing them back up.. its saying that only 2 out of 4 drives are able to be assembled.. which is bad |
| 05:56.02 | Internat | can i force assemble all 4? |
| 05:56.07 | liable | 2pm here actually |
| 05:56.08 | Internat | or even 3 |
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| 05:56.13 | alaya | if these were europeans talking they'd be serious alkies |
| 05:56.15 | kgoetz | darn mexicans (thats a victorian, for the internationals) |
| 05:56.44 | smhar | hello |
| 05:56.50 | liable | not a vic |
| 05:57.11 | kgoetz | liable: then you've got no excuse for yoru choice of beer. |
| 05:57.22 | kgoetz | 2pm? westerner? |
| 05:57.24 | liable | kgoetz: i'm a cheap bastard |
| 05:57.29 | liable | yeah |
| 05:57.33 | kgoetz | *muttesr* must be |
| 05:57.52 | liable | i go wherever the wind blows ;) |
| 05:58.23 | kgoetz | your over there now, you'll never get blown back far enough to reah civilisation ;P |
| 05:58.37 | liable | heh |
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| 06:05.59 | liable | reading gimp tutorials is giving me a headache. i like photography, but hate it when you have to do more than trivial processing |
| 06:08.52 | Supaplex | ewps. ;) |
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| 06:09.21 | liable | heh, i dont get paste more than about 10 actions per image anyway :) |
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| 06:09.55 | kgoetz | only 10 eh |
| 06:10.34 | Guerin | you should take better photos ow |
| 06:10.44 | liable | i never really had to do much before, but i took an extroadinary amount of shit images recently ;) |
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| 06:11.57 | liable | should have bought a circular polariser before i went.. |
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| 06:21.00 | smhar | hi |
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| 06:21.52 | smhar | how to run a program that will compile some kernel modules but using a different gcc temporally? |
| 06:23.35 | liable | export CC="gcc-version"; make |
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| 06:29.45 | smhar | liable, is it possible to do it in the same line as in ./vmware gcc=version ? |
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| 06:30.22 | Guerin | smhar: VARIABLE=value command |
| 06:30.28 | Guerin | smhar: works for any command |
| 06:30.44 | liable | smhar: should be |
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| 06:39.09 | terr_ | THis might not be the place to ask. If not please advise what channel would be better. I'm doing something really dumb adn I'm looking for some help to figure it out. I have several networks. The one in question is 192.168.2.* I jsut moved a machine from a 10.*.*.* network. The issue is I have a machine on 192.168.1.* and I can ping 192.168.2.3 from it but I cannot ping 192.168.2.2... From the 192.168.2.2 machine I can ping out. |
| 06:39.09 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.03 | terr_ | I've got a cold and my head is foggy. I've done this many times before. |
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| 06:40.25 | smhar | Guerin, liable I tried ./vmware-installer cc="gcc-4.1" but got an error saying answering default questions ! |
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| 06:42.26 | nvz | terr_: #openbsd might be a better place to ask |
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| 06:43.22 | nvz | I like the simple to the point topic in openbsd |
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| 06:43.37 | liable | smhar: have a look in the makefile or install file for it |
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| 06:43.51 | jeward_ | Anyone had any luck setting up freenx in etch? |
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| 06:44.51 | terr_ | nvz Its a networking issue I think. |
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| 06:45.04 | nvz | terr_: #networking? |
| 06:45.13 | milestone | hi all |
| 06:45.34 | milestone | how can i change a normal account to a system account? |
| 06:45.48 | smhar | liable, no. but it complained that the kernel is built using gcc 4.1-x while I am using gcc 4.2.x . I already have 4.1.x installed so I can use it if I pass the correct parameter |
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| 06:46.18 | terr_ | nvz I'm checking things. I wish my head were clear. |
| 06:46.19 | liable | smhar: so export it like i said |
| 06:46.32 | lindenl1 | hi ooimpress icons are acting funny again, anyone have a solutiuon? |
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| 06:49.13 | terr_ | nvz: I think it is a firewall issue. |
| 06:49.19 | n00bular | can gnuradio use the monitor as a transmitter? |
| 06:49.19 | nvz | lindenl1: laugh? |
| 06:49.28 | nvz | terr_: I couldn't care any less than I do right now |
| 06:49.39 | terr_ | nvz I can ping to a machine on its lan for not from there. |
| 06:49.56 | lindenl1 | nvz: Yeah i know...but I need to finish this talk for tomorrow and it is driving me nuts... |
| 06:50.28 | nvz | lindenl1: well if my icons were acting funny, I'd laugh at them |
| 06:50.46 | nvz | mine are rather boring |
| 06:50.49 | nvz | they just sit there |
| 06:50.58 | lindenl1 | nvs: fair enough...they are not redrawing when I mouse over them |
| 06:51.03 | lindenl1 | i.e. they dissapear |
| 06:51.25 | nvz | lindenl1: might be a video driver problem |
| 06:51.38 | lindenl1 | Why is it only OO then/ |
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| 06:52.04 | nvz | why is there canadian bacon? |
| 06:52.14 | nvz | some things i just don't have the answer to |
| 06:52.24 | lindenl1 | nvz: sorry bro but this does not seem to be so helpful |
| 06:52.36 | nvz | likewise |
| 06:52.39 | lindenl1 | nvz: maybe someone else is also seeing the same thing or has an isea |
| 06:52.56 | lindenl1 | nvs: look my oo icons are not redrawing...seems pretty specific to me |
| 06:52.57 | nvz | if that were the case it would probably be on the BTS |
| 06:53.16 | nvz | hmm thats my phone tooting over there in my coat.. its about to die :-/ |
| 06:53.33 | lindenl1 | nvz: good point about BTS |
| 06:55.01 | nvz | yeah I know what _I_ am talking about, if you don't.. well that's not my problem :P |
| 06:55.13 | nvz | I make no claims that my answers match your questions |
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| 06:56.04 | liable | lindenl1: dont feel bad, many of us rarely know what nvz is on about ;) |
| 06:56.05 | lindenl1 | nvz: fair enough |
| 06:56.35 | lindenl1 | liable: I am just tired and mistook his sillyness for agression |
| 06:56.36 | lindenl1 | ;) |
| 06:56.57 | nvz | liable: well came in and says icons are acting funny, and I said I'd laugh at em if they were being funny.. mine are always just sitting there doing nothing |
| 06:58.01 | liable | nvz: reminds me of one of these quotes :) http://www.infolanka.com/jokes/messages/3553.html |
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| 06:59.27 | nvz | liable: hah thats hilarious |
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| 07:00.11 | liable | yeah, read it a heap of times, still makes me laugh |
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| 07:01.32 | nvz | liable: I like the one "number 3 engine missing" "number 3 engine found on right wing, after breif search" |
| 07:01.48 | liable | yeah, thats a cracker |
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| 07:02.41 | nvz | actually the next on is practically what I said "Aircraft handles funny" "Aircraft warned to: straighten up, fly right, and be serious." |
| 07:02.56 | liable | thats what i was thinking of when you said it |
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| 07:03.39 | nvz | yeah those are pretty good |
| 07:03.57 | nvz | its more funny cause you'd want to think airline maint isn't funny |
| 07:04.06 | lindenl1 | nvz: ok not in BTS so i guess i will file...unless anyone else is seeing it |
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| 07:04.20 | nvz | lindenl1: you'd have to be more descriptive for that |
| 07:04.46 | nvz | lindenl1: things that would be important is your debian version, X driver, video hardware..etc |
| 07:04.50 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:04.51 | lindenl1 | nvz: well the icons all dissapear when I mouse over the tool bar, I don't really know what else to say |
| 07:05.08 | lindenl1 | nvz: I will use reportbug |
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| 07:05.49 | nvz | whatever boots your hard drive |
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| 07:12.03 | jeward_ | Anybody have any experience getting freenx to work? |
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| 07:13.08 | jeward_ | Is there a beter place to get freenx help? |
| 07:13.09 | ringo999 | hi. im wondering how to get speedstep-centrino working |
| 07:13.19 | ringo999 | do i have to install some package? |
| 07:13.47 | nvz | @.@ |
| 07:13.56 | nvz | it must be sunday again |
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| 07:16.43 | tralala | ringo999, try powernowd |
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| 07:19.26 | naught101 | anyone know of a way to list all installed packages, sorted by size. |
| 07:19.28 | naught101 | ? |
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| 07:20.26 | liable | ringo999: i thought you had a mac? |
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| 07:20.31 | lindenl1 | nvs: I installed the kde integration package and all is well...go figure.... |
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| 07:22.18 | yoshio | naught101: take a look at your /var/lib/dpkg/status file - installed packages are listed as "Status: install ok installed" and "Installed-Size: 860", etc. Write a script that parses that file. |
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| 07:23.01 | naught101 | hrmmm... I swear I found a oneliner on the 'net before... |
| 07:23.02 | tralala | the Installed-Size is not always trustworthy but I guess it's the best available |
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| 07:24.00 | cydork | naught101: something like aptitude -O installsize search '~i' |
| 07:24.17 | ringo999 | liable: i have multipe machines... |
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| 07:24.53 | liable | ringo999: loading the module and a governor of choice is all thats really needed |
| 07:25.01 | naught101 | cydork: that works, but it doesn't display the size... is there any way of doing that? |
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| 07:25.52 | cydork | naught101: man aptitude; search for format i don't remember the exact syntax for that.. |
| 07:26.02 | naught101 | thanks, will do |
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| 07:27.03 | guuuuh | please, can anyone help me connecting two pcs by crossover cable, so i can test squid? im using a crossover cable, one side is: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7... the other: 3, 6, 1, 4, 5, 2, 7... i configured the ips on the same network, set the gateway on the "client" but i cant ping them... the interfaces are working nice... any idea? |
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| 07:27.57 | almathea | How can I check what init scripts are running? |
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| 07:28.52 | yoshio | naught101: man page for grep-dctrl says "For example, the following command outputs the list of installed packages, sorted by their Installed-Size. % grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n \ |
| 07:28.53 | naught101 | cool: $ aptitude -O installsize search '~i' -F %p |
| 07:28.58 | Supaplex | almathea: check them for an elevated pulse. ;) most services are viewable in top, or have /var/run/<x>.pid entries |
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| 07:29.01 | naught101 | that works well |
| 07:29.08 | yoshio | "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n |
| 07:29.24 | alaya | almathea: i like ps -e |
| 07:29.24 | yoshio | Note that there should be exactly 2 spaces in the " \n" string. |
| 07:30.12 | almathea | Hmm, ok, I just thought there might be a seppareted tool for that, thanks. |
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| 07:30.33 | yoshio | naught101: grep-dctrl is in the package 'dctrl-tools' |
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| 07:30.38 | alaya | ps -e |less or ps aux... |
| 07:30.41 | Supaplex | guuuuh: can machine 1 ping 2, and 2 ping 1? |
| 07:30.53 | naught101 | yoshio: $ aptitude -O installsize search '~i' -F %p works perfectly |
| 07:31.00 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:31.00 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 07:31.05 | naught101 | er... %p |
| 07:31.06 | almathea | One more thing, is /etc/default/ntpdate config for ntp deamon? |
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| 07:31.15 | alaya | almathea: some rc scripts have a status option |
| 07:31.17 | Azar | hehe mister tarzeau |
| 07:31.18 | naught101 | damn. %p%.I |
| 07:31.22 | naught101 | without the . |
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| 07:31.38 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 07:31.40 | almathea | I mean NTPOPTIONS from that file is passed to ntpd? |
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| 07:33.05 | guuuuh | Supaplex: no, thats the problem :( |
| 07:33.12 | almathea | *ntp-server |
| 07:33.14 | alaya | do you need an ntp daemon? why not just client? |
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| 07:33.44 | almathea | alaya, with 60 machines I want to be nice to public servers |
| 07:33.51 | guuuuh | Supaplex: i tested the cable, its working like i said, in the same sequence i said |
| 07:34.18 | almathea | Hmm, it looks like that thing doesn't have a conf file at all... |
| 07:34.25 | tralala | almathea, make one request every 24 hours and you'll be nice to them |
| 07:34.30 | alaya | almathea: use dpkg to list which pkg the file belongs to |
| 07:34.58 | almathea | alaya, I figured it looking at the rc script itself |
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| 07:35.43 | guuuuh | Supaplex: any idea? |
| 07:37.22 | alaya | its so quiet now i guess all the OZ crew had their beer got blitzed and are now passed out ;-) |
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| 07:42.11 | liable | bah, we dont pass out that quickly! |
| 07:43.09 | Azar | yea I was just quiet looking at all of you |
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| 07:43.24 | guuuuh | !pastebin |
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| 07:46.30 | killers | helo. i see some newer package version i need on etch-backports, but how can i use it? to start with, etch-backports doesn't exist on mirrors.. |
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| 07:46.59 | techbie | !tell killers about backport |
| 07:47.46 | guh | !pastebin |
| 07:47.46 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 07:48.30 | killers | !backport |
| 07:48.30 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 07:49.21 | De_Mon | has anyone successfully gotten asterisk SNMP working? I'm getting the distinct feeling that its broken |
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| 07:50.52 | killers | so, backports.org is an official source for backports? |
| 07:51.46 | tralala | as official as it gets without being official |
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| 07:53.15 | killers | kinda strange.. i thought if i see etch-backports on packages.debian.org, it should be on official debian mirrors.. |
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| 07:54.06 | tralala | you see etch-backports on debian.org?! |
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| 07:55.00 | killers | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/git-core |
| 07:56.38 | tralala | funny, I've never heard an anouncement of backports going official |
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| 08:00.16 | harpal | I have edited crontab, but it seems that my command is not running? |
| 08:00.38 | tralala | how did you edit the crontab? |
| 08:01.04 | harpal | with vi editer |
| 08:01.19 | Azar | how you saved it? |
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| 08:01.42 | harpal | I have written 16 13 * * * www-data /etc/avupscpt |
| 08:01.43 | tralala | harpal, you should use crontab -e |
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| 08:03.37 | faber4 | good morning |
| 08:03.58 | faber4 | after installing samba on etch it does not start (core dumps), cause its missing "mail" |
| 08:04.03 | Azar | hey faber4.. |
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| 08:04.19 | faber4 | i have installed "ssmtp". what else do i need to install in order to get samba runnig? |
| 08:04.23 | claudio` | Hey, Dr-Dj spams. |
| 08:04.40 | Dr-Dj | so |
| 08:04.40 | Azar | claudio`: on join? |
| 08:04.49 | Dr-Dj | sow what |
| 08:04.52 | claudio` | Azar: no |
| 08:04.57 | claudio` | Azar: just spam. |
| 08:05.09 | Azar | didn't see it on the channel |
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| 08:05.41 | Azar | sorry, faber4, myself don't know about samba, maybe someone else.. |
| 08:06.15 | claudio` | assasukasse: hi |
| 08:06.30 | Azar | hahaha @ sow wat |
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| 08:07.50 | harpal | tralala, It works but I dont want to modify it manually. so how to do that? |
| 08:08.35 | harpal | because I have one acript which is modifying that crontab. |
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| 08:10.03 | tralala | you have a script to modifiy crontab?! |
| 08:10.59 | harpal | yes. I have one webpage which modify crontab according to which time we have to schedule it |
| 08:12.57 | tralala | Do you know you could use the "at" command for something like that? |
| 08:14.10 | harpal | no. I just open that /etc/crontab file and modify that |
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| 08:18.02 | harpal | tralala, What should I do? |
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| 08:19.49 | tralala | harpal, messing up with crontab should be your last resort |
| 08:20.56 | harpal | whats the reason that it doesnt considering that /etc/crontab file? |
| 08:21.23 | harpal | because every where they shows that I have to modify /etc/crontab file |
| 08:23.17 | tralala | crontab is used for something with a fixed schedule |
| 08:23.34 | tralala | if the schedule changes often than crontab is not the answer |
| 08:23.39 | tralala | then |
| 08:24.45 | tralala | at least not modifying it constantly |
| 08:25.33 | harpal | ok than what would be that solution? |
| 08:25.50 | guuuuh | can anyone help me with a simple question about iptables? |
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| 08:27.07 | tralala | it would depend on the actual needs. For example you could use the "at" command to specify a *single* execution in advance or you can use a crontab entry that runs every so often and checks wheater to execute the task |
| 08:27.36 | tralala | guuuuh, don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 08:28.18 | guuuuh | i need to route connections from eth1 to eth0 |
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| 08:29.11 | tralala | NAT or simple routing? |
| 08:30.01 | tralala | eth1->eth0 or eth1<->eth0? |
| 08:30.08 | guuuuh | i think just route, its for squid |
| 08:30.49 | guuuuh | i have a client pc (eth1) connected to server on eth1, and eth0 on server is connected to wan... |
| 08:31.21 | guuuuh | i need that the connections from eth1 (on the server) goes to eth0 |
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| 08:32.29 | tralala | that's not specific enough |
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| 08:34.21 | GuHHH | tralala [WAN] <- ETH0 ->| server | <- ETH1 -> <- ETH1 ->| client| |
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| 08:34.51 | cydork | GuHHH: you just want simple nat. |
| 08:34.54 | cydork | !ipmasq |
| 08:34.54 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 08:37.52 | epsilon | what does the ipmasq package do, properly configure the iptables? |
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| 08:39.54 | cydork | epsilon: yes. |
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| 08:55.57 | Alarm | hello, on my sources.list i got the mirrors for downloading the files. as known when a package allready exists in the /var/cache/apt/archive , it installs it from there instead of downloading them again. how can i change apt-get instead of looking in the /var/apt/cache/arcives if a package exists to check on another directory (on a second partition that i got those packages) |
| 08:55.58 | Eclipser | how do I remove a key from gnome-keyring or just empty it? |
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| 09:00.05 | cydork | !tell Alarm -about own repo |
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| 09:02.07 | Alarm | thought it would be just a destination change in a configuration file |
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| 09:04.21 | cydork | Alarm: it is, look at the file:// part. it just needs Packages.gz to recognize those packages. |
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| 09:05.13 | Alarm | okie, thanks |
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| 09:18.25 | harpal | tralala, I have solved that problem. problem is for that file ownership of /etc/crontab. its not root. So I have changed that to root and its working |
| 09:18.31 | harpal | thanks a lot |
| 09:19.27 | tralala | I still recommend a different approach |
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| 09:21.51 | asdzxc | hi |
| 09:22.14 | asdzxc | can someone help me with smartctl errors ? there's no one on #smart |
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| 09:22.26 | asdzxc | http://pastebin.com/m325690f4 |
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| 09:33.24 | [RUsh] | How can I bring interface up in /etc/network/interfaces without adding ip to it? (ifconfig eth0 up) |
| 09:33.38 | streuner | ifup -a |
| 09:33.44 | streuner | man ifup |
| 09:33.58 | [RUsh] | ok thanx |
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| 09:34.04 | sohum | hi all. when I tell aptitude to purge a package, it decides to merely remove all non-needed dependencies. how do I tell aptitude to purge these dependencies as well? |
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| 09:34.32 | liable | [RUsh]: why do you want to do that? you can just use ifconfig if all you want is it to be up |
| 09:34.50 | [RUsh] | liable, I want it to be done automatically |
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| 09:35.04 | [RUsh] | liable, I use vlan interfaces |
| 09:35.39 | [RUsh] | oh, I really don't want to do this, sorry ) |
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| 09:38.31 | helloyo | hey guys, is it hard to setup nvidia cards in debian these days? |
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| 09:40.14 | [RUsh] | What's the debian way to save/restore iptables rules? |
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| 09:43.22 | melsbachc | Hi everyone. I have connection problems with ssh, ftp and http. Sometimes the connection goes down in those services, but ping still seems to work :( |
| 09:44.39 | tomacco | what do you mean by 'connection does down'? |
| 09:44.52 | tomacco | do you mean you can't access those services no matter what? |
| 09:45.07 | melsbachc | it's a bit weird: |
| 09:45.44 | melsbachc | putty can't connect anymore, but after a minute I can reconnect again |
| 09:45.46 | tralala | [RUsh], there isn't any. Shorewall is good for advanced firewall setup and it will restore the rules on reboot. Otherwise a post-up line in interfaces can do iptables-restore |
| 09:46.09 | [RUsh] | tralala, thanx |
| 09:46.39 | melsbachc | when I try to access my apache server (via browser) it also doesn't work for this short amount of time |
| 09:46.40 | [RUsh] | And what about scripts in /etc/network/ip-up.d/ , etc. ? Are they run after every iface goes up? |
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| 09:48.09 | tralala | don't mess with them - interfaces has a syntax for these things |
| 09:48.51 | tomacco | are these services behind a hardware firewall? |
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| 09:49.52 | melsbachc | no, I have direct access. It's inside a LAN and worked properly since yesterday |
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| 09:50.46 | melsbachc | I store my websites for testing on it |
| 09:50.55 | tralala | bad cables, bad backdoors, high pc/network loads... there could be plenty of explanations |
| 09:51.08 | tomacco | its not on wifi, is it? |
| 09:51.14 | melsbachc | no it's wired |
| 09:51.22 | eth01 | apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory -- any ideas |
| 09:51.25 | tomacco | hmm, thats odd |
| 09:51.50 | [RUsh] | tralala, sorry, I didn't understand |
| 09:51.51 | tomacco | ln -s /etc/apache2/apache2.conf /etc/apache2/httpd.conf? |
| 09:52.33 | [RUsh] | tralala, you mean, I shouldn't such scripts for it? |
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| 09:52.41 | tralala | eth01, your apache is not configured? |
| 09:52.55 | eth01 | it's not compiled correctly, i don't think, nor has php5. |
| 09:53.02 | eth01 | so much for aptitude install. |
| 09:53.22 | liable | tomacco: why would link the file thats looking for the thing back ro itself? |
| 09:53.35 | liable | o* |
| 09:53.40 | liable | to* ! |
| 09:53.55 | eth01 | you* !! |
| 09:53.58 | tralala | [RUsh], I mean you shouldn't put or remove anything from the dirs. You just need to edit interfaces and add pre or post hooks there |
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| 09:54.16 | [RUsh] | tralala, Ok, thanx |
| 09:54.46 | stew | eth01: "touch httpd.conf" |
| 09:54.53 | stew | eth01: you just need to have a blank file there |
| 09:55.24 | eth01 | I did ln -s /etc/apache2/apache2.conf /etc/apache2/httpd.conf - i thought of that myself btw :P |
| 09:55.46 | eth01 | seems a little messed now... |
| 09:55.47 | stew | eth01: you don't want that, remove the symlink and "touch httpd.conf" to create an empty file |
| 09:56.23 | eth01 | to remove the symlink? |
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| 09:56.44 | stew | eth01: "rm /etc/apache2.httpd.conf ; touch httpd.conf" to remove the symlink, then create an empty file |
| 09:56.56 | melsbachc | that's really odd, cause pinging works everytime - so I'm pretty sure it's a problem with debian |
| 09:56.59 | stew | eth01: err "rm /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ; touch httpd.conf" |
| 09:57.38 | eth01 | i get the above error again. |
| 09:57.44 | stew | eth01: what error? |
| 09:58.10 | stew | eth01: i'm sorry, you should probably "touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf" |
| 09:58.16 | stew | you just need an empty file there |
| 09:58.22 | eth01 | never mind, Syntax OK |
| 09:58.29 | eth01 | apache2ctl -t |
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| 10:04.12 | GuHHH | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.19 | petemc | how have you configured squid? |
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| 10:06.59 | ganeshhegde | which internet messenger comes with debian? |
| 10:07.34 | vaq | none |
| 10:07.49 | et | you can choose from many, for example pidgin |
| 10:07.50 | petemc | you mean instant messenger? gaim/pidgin is probably the most popular |
| 10:07.54 | vaq | ganeshhegde: install gaim or amsn trough apt-get |
| 10:08.46 | ganeshhegde | vaq:can i install it using synaptic manager? |
| 10:08.54 | tralala | yes |
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| 10:09.42 | [RUsh] | tralala, And should I use up and down statements in /etc/network/interfaces to bring up some routes ? |
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| 10:10.02 | petemc | ganeshhegde: any that are available, you can search |
| 10:11.01 | eth01 | is apache 2.2.4 ok with etch? |
| 10:11.10 | tralala | [RUsh], yes |
| 10:11.28 | ganeshhegde | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.43 | petemc | ganeshhegde: if you're using etch, the package name is gaim |
| 10:12.15 | ganeshhegde | petemc:thanx.. |
| 10:13.09 | [RUsh] | thanx again |
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| 10:17.36 | tralala | thanx is seriously uncool |
| 10:18.22 | xand | halp i carnt spel |
| 10:18.57 | petemc | its better than 10x or 10q |
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| 10:20.21 | xand | petemc: I am glad to say I've never seen "10q" |
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| 10:22.37 | Dewi | is there a way to do a "quick" check of an ext3fs filesystem that has undergone an unclean shutdown? |
| 10:24.04 | perlnoob | what application is for video streaming server? |
| 10:24.31 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.42 | perlnoob | vlc in debian? |
| 10:24.45 | petemc | i guess its not a server, per se |
| 10:25.16 | perlnoob | i want to stream video , output it to website |
| 10:25.45 | petemc | apache can serve video files.. |
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| 10:27.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:28.22 | tralala | !ignore tarzeau |
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| 10:28.31 | liable | tarzeau: dpkg still sore at you? |
| 10:28.33 | perlnoob | i want to setup stream server on debian |
| 10:28.49 | tarzeau | perlnoob: from a webcam? |
| 10:29.10 | liable | heh, dont ask |
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| 10:29.17 | perlnoob | yes from webcam |
| 10:29.22 | perlnoob | any solution to that |
| 10:29.43 | Danielss89 | i was told to chmod a file so that it was executabel.. is it somthing with chmod a-x file |
| 10:30.08 | petemc | chmod +x |
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| 10:30.37 | tarzeau | liable: seems so |
| 10:31.29 | [RUsh] | And what's debian way to automatically bring up ppp interface? (pptp in my case) |
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| 10:32.38 | stew | [RUsh]: man interfaces |
| 10:34.36 | [RUsh] | ok |
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| 10:36.58 | eth01 | why is it when i remove something (installed by apt) it still leaves the init.d script? |
| 10:37.07 | eth01 | what am i suppose to do, remove it manually? |
| 10:37.09 | sep | !purge |
| 10:37.10 | dpkg | somebody said purge was to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
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| 10:40.23 | ganesh | i installed debian just now..but the resolution is 640*480.. |
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| 10:40.50 | stew | ganesh: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:40.50 | sep | !tell ganesh about resolution |
| 10:41.01 | sep | !tell ganesh about drxx |
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| 10:41.31 | ganesh | sep:whats drxx? |
| 10:41.36 | GuHHH | ive configured squid, its waiting for requests on my server, but my client cant connect outside my network, it can resolve hostnames, but cant ping... i can only reach my server, not whats behind it... any help? even if i disable squid, i cant ping internet, just resolve names (from client) |
| 10:41.44 | sep | ganesh, ask dpkg about drxx |
| 10:41.49 | aspWork | i am having problems printing to a hp laserjet 4050 under debian, i have tried using smb and hpdirect via the gnome-cups-manager, and i can add the printer just fine, but the print job always stops and never completes. Any tips on what might be wrong/guides on how i should set it up? |
| 10:42.17 | sep | aspWork, did you enable the samba backend ? and do you have smbclient installed ? |
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| 10:42.34 | aspWork | sep, dono, i think so, how do i check? |
| 10:43.09 | sep | dpkg-reconfigure cupsys |
| 10:43.10 | aspWork | my logs seem to indicate a foomatic filter error?! |
| 10:43.15 | anabain | how can I set a keyboard map system-wide? |
| 10:43.22 | sep | it will give you a list of the installed backends and let you enable/disable |
| 10:43.37 | stew | anabain: for x or console? |
| 10:43.41 | anabain | both |
| 10:43.51 | aspWork | sep, smb isn't an option |
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| 10:44.01 | stew | anabain: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 10:45.56 | aspWork | sep, i have [cups-driverd] Unable to open PPD directory "/opt/share/ppd": No such file or directory in my error_log |
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| 10:49.27 | benkong2 | hey all why would libdb3-util be in etch but not in lenny repos? |
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| 10:49.52 | benkong2 | I need libdb3-util to follow a Falko HowTo |
| 10:50.25 | tralala | deprecated, abandoned, superseeded... plenty of reasons |
| 10:50.50 | benkong2 | would the package search tool tell me? |
| 10:51.32 | benkong2 | if it was abandoned, deprecreated etc? |
| 10:51.42 | SpeedyG | whats a decent looking GUI-based ftp client? :) |
| 10:51.52 | tralala | benkong2, http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/db3.html |
| 10:52.11 | benkong2 | tralala: thanks |
| 10:52.27 | sep | aspWork, and you have smbclient |
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| 10:52.30 | tralala | SpeedyG, what's a nice deep black based white colour? |
| 10:52.43 | SpeedyG | tralala: black! |
| 10:53.05 | sep | aspWork, if you still dont get it run ln -sf /usr/bin/smbspool /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb and then erdun dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:53.07 | tralala | SpeedyG, gftp |
| 10:53.25 | SpeedyG | ok, i'll give it a try :) |
| 10:54.05 | aspWork | sep, did that, still no smb option in cups |
| 10:54.13 | ganesh | stew:i did what u said..i.edpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg...then? |
| 10:54.43 | stew | ganesh: restart x, "/etc/init.d/?dm restart" |
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| 10:55.52 | ganesh | stew:Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdmstart-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 2791: Operation not permitted |
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| 10:56.16 | sep | aspWork, perhaps the symlink is all that is needed for it to be enabled |
| 10:56.26 | ganesh | Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdmganesh@debian:~$ |
| 10:57.42 | stew | ganesh: you have to do it as root |
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| 10:58.45 | ErZo | How do I purge all packages that came with the metapackage "kde"? |
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| 10:59.33 | stew | ErZo: how did you install it? with apt-get ? aptitude ? |
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| 11:00.04 | jmcnaught | sorry, this isn't really a debian question, but i figured it would be simple for somebody here. i just switched from shared hosting with one company (who registered my domain for me) to a VPS running debian. the old host has not updated the nameserver records with their registrar to our new nameserver. would that prevent me from pinging the VPS by its IP address? |
| 11:00.17 | ErZo | stew: apt-get :o |
| 11:00.26 | stew | ErZo: which version? |
| 11:00.33 | petemc | jmcnaught: no |
| 11:00.37 | ErZo | stew: I'm sorry if this information is available in the manual page. I've read thru it though |
| 11:00.50 | stew | ErZo: i mean, which version of the apt package do you have installed? |
| 11:01.10 | ErZo | stew: I'm on 'stable'. |
| 11:01.11 | jmcnaught | petemc: thanks |
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| 11:01.29 | ErZo | stew: apt 0.6.46.4-0.1 for linux i386 compiled on Feb 26 2007 16:19:57 |
| 11:01.35 | stew | ErZo: i don't know of an easy way then, you can get a list of packages via /var/log/dpkg.log and purge those manually |
| 11:01.51 | stew | ErZo: (this is one of the reasons it is recommended to use aptitude over apt-get) |
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| 11:02.26 | ErZo | hm |
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| 11:03.54 | stew | ErZo: if you want all of kde gone, /msg dpkg remove kde |
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| 11:04.46 | ErZo | stew: thanks mate, I'll check it out |
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| 11:06.04 | ganesh | stew:i ran that command..it went to command prompt..and i din't knw what to do further.. |
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| 11:06.36 | stew | ganesh: logout and back in |
| 11:06.47 | Minnozz | how can I set up a network bridge from eth1 to my bluetooth dongle, so I can access the my internet connection with my mobile phone? |
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| 11:08.23 | ganesh | stew:ya..when i logged in it was still in command prmt...the terminal was changed thats all.. |
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| 11:09.47 | stew | ganesh: when your machine boots, does it boot to a graphical login, or a text based login? |
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| 11:10.00 | ganesh | stew:when it reboots..it comes to graphical login but very low resolution.. |
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| 11:11.45 | stew | ganesh: show us your/var/log/Xorg.0.log and your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 11:15.21 | ganesh | stew:even as root user permission denied |
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| 11:17.24 | rmaj | screensave crashes |
| 11:17.30 | rmaj | when changing video mode (dual head - laptop + lcd) |
| 11:17.47 | rmaj | and even doesnt auto restart wtf |
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| 11:21.31 | stew | ganesh: what command gives you permission denied? |
| 11:21.51 | stew | rmaj: which video driver are you using? |
| 11:23.32 | ganesh | stew:/var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:24.26 | stew | ganesh: that is a text file, not a command, please upload that file and /etc/X11/xorg.conf to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 11:26.43 | ptman | Hi, I'm having problems downloading debian testing daily netinst iso: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:27.17 | ptman | it redirects to http://www.laotzu.com/?dl=1 |
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| 11:28.52 | xtor_ | Is it possible to use tar to do a complete system backup on a box that you only have ssh access to? Or will I need to exclude certain filesystems? |
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| 11:30.08 | L0cKn | Can anyone past my join please? :-S |
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| 11:30.45 | ganesh | stew:http://pastebin.ca/746635 |
| 11:31.12 | DeFirence | omg, can anyone tell me why full debian is THREE dvds :OOOO |
| 11:31.13 | ptman | can someone try if the download even starts? |
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| 11:33.38 | gileswwwrk | maybe you should find out how many packages debian includes DeFirence |
| 11:33.49 | DeFirence | lol |
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| 11:33.57 | CrocoJet | DeFirence, 3 dvds .. wow |
| 11:34.14 | CrocoJet | may be .. only #1 to regular install |
| 11:34.14 | Isil`Zha | how do i use php on the command line? i used to use 'php' and it just worked. since my last update i can't find 'php' any more nothing for 'php5' either. am i missing a package? php does work with apache |
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| 11:34.33 | suwro | hello |
| 11:34.34 | ganesh | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:34.34 | ganesh | stew:http://pastebin.ca/746639 |
| 11:34.39 | DeFirence | i first tried the netinstall and couldnt get that right, now im stuck downloading 3 dvd iso's from torrents at slow speed :( |
| 11:34.39 | stew | Isil`Zha: php5-cli |
| 11:34.59 | Trewas | ptman: does not work for me either, looking at wget -S output they have probably broken their apache configs as it redirects to http://laotzu/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:35.00 | CrocoJet | I did not make install debian .. yet |
| 11:35.13 | CrocoJet | but I think Net-install only very fast conneciton |
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| 11:35.28 | ptman | Trewas: bummer |
| 11:35.29 | sep | exim debian etch i get the following in my logfiles 2007-10-23 13:34:30 1IkGwH-0001F2-Vv == postmaster@postoffice R=smarthost defer (-1): lookup of host "postoffice" failed in smarthost router, but i can ping both the hostname and the fqdn of the postoffice machine. does exim have a separate dns config from the rest of the machine ? |
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| 11:35.40 | ptman | I was able to download the i386 image half an hour ago |
| 11:36.05 | Isil`Zha | stew: thank you! |
| 11:36.11 | stew | ganesh: the problem is that your monitors hsync range isn't properly being detected |
| 11:36.13 | CrocoJet | DeFirence, are you using dial up connection ? |
| 11:36.17 | sep | Trewas, you usualy never need all the dvd's |
| 11:36.23 | stew | ganesh: what type of monitor is it, and how is it connected? |
| 11:36.32 | sep | Trewas, get cd1 or dvd1 if the netinstall failed you |
| 11:36.37 | suwro | I am using br0 to bridge eth0 and eth1 - now we need and we got a new extra class and i have to route that too - how can i do that? - adding eth0:1 bogus eth? do i still have to add that in bridge ? or since eth0 is already in bridge with eth1 eth0:1 (bogus) will be added automatically ??? |
| 11:36.53 | stew | DeFirence: you don't need all 3 dvds |
| 11:37.07 | DeFirence | CrocoJet, if i was using dial up i wouldnt even try download dvds :P |
| 11:37.14 | CrocoJet | hehehe |
| 11:37.15 | CrocoJet | yes |
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| 11:37.31 | DeFirence | im using 4mb adsl, but torrents in my country are very slow |
| 11:37.35 | DeFirence | they shape |
| 11:37.43 | suwro | or should i add a new tunneling? - help pls. |
| 11:37.48 | DeFirence | not to mention its about $15 per gb |
| 11:38.01 | CrocoJet | try download .iso in some german mirror .. always very fast |
| 11:38.07 | stew | DeFirence: what was wrong using a netinst? |
| 11:38.07 | DeFirence | on top of the $75 for the line |
| 11:38.28 | DeFirence | it kept saying the mirror was out of date or something |
| 11:38.32 | DeFirence | and i tried like 10 |
| 11:38.33 | DeFirence | :S |
| 11:38.39 | stew | DeFirence: which netinst did you use? |
| 11:38.55 | stew | DeFirence: was it downloaded recently? |
| 11:38.57 | DeFirence | the one on debians website? |
| 11:39.00 | DeFirence | hes |
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| 11:39.03 | DeFirence | yes* |
| 11:39.06 | stew | DeFirence: for stable or testing? |
| 11:39.06 | DeFirence | oh |
| 11:39.07 | DeFirence | and... |
| 11:39.10 | DeFirence | stable |
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| 11:39.13 | DeFirence | but |
| 11:39.21 | stew | DeFirence: please put more than one word per line |
| 11:39.26 | DeFirence | when i download the dvd iso from debians site |
| 11:39.43 | DeFirence | i get good speed, but instead of 4gb its like 377mb |
| 11:39.45 | DeFirence | :S |
| 11:39.47 | DeFirence | wtf |
| 11:40.02 | stew | DeFirence: from which url? |
| 11:40.04 | DeFirence | sorry, will do |
| 11:40.12 | DeFirence | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 11:40.55 | stew | DeFirence: use "wget -c URL" to continue the download |
| 11:41.15 | ganesh | stew:moniter is samsung syncmaster 798mb plus..its connected as normal connection |
| 11:41.16 | stew | DeFirence: but really, a netinst should work. if you want help getting that working, we should be able to help you |
| 11:41.41 | DeFirence | ok |
| 11:41.53 | DeFirence | ill try a netist again then |
| 11:41.59 | CrocoJet | wow .. I was seeing site bugs debian ... "Total number of release-critical bugs: 1692" |
| 11:42.02 | DeFirence | i cant wget from windows |
| 11:42.10 | ganesh | 1ganu1:it gives good resolution with xp |
| 11:42.35 | ganesh | stew: it gives good resolution with xp |
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| 11:42.48 | stew | ganesh: lookup the hsync rates for that monitor and add a line like "HorizSync xxx-yyy" (where xxx and yyy are the minimum,maximum). and add that to the Monitor section of xorg.conf |
| 11:42.50 | DeFirence | booting into netinst iso in vmware now... |
| 11:43.03 | rmaj | stew: i810 driver |
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| 11:43.39 | stew | rmaj: this is etch then? |
| 11:43.47 | rmaj | stew: debian testing |
| 11:43.54 | DeFirence | how much ram do u suggest in vmware for debian? |
| 11:43.57 | stew | rmaj: testing doesn't have an i810 driver |
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| 11:44.14 | tarzeau | DeFirence: at least 128mb if you need x,openoffice,gnome,kde, add 128mb for each |
| 11:44.27 | DeFirence | ok |
| 11:44.44 | rmaj | ii xserver-xorg-video-i810 2:2.1.0-2 |
| 11:44.48 | DeFirence | 256 should be fine then, im just gonna try kde |
| 11:45.19 | stew | rmaj: you must be using the intel driver, that is a dummy package ('dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-i810' will list the files that that package installed) |
| 11:46.07 | stew | rmaj: check the bts for xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 11:46.09 | rmaj | stew: perhaps; Driver "i810" |
| 11:46.36 | stew | rmaj: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:46.55 | rmaj | stew: screensaver crashes (the X session works fine) |
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| 11:47.19 | stew | rmaj: you might try switching "i810" to 'intel" |
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| 11:49.11 | k31th | to install lame in debian |
| 11:49.14 | DeFirence | ok, ive now set up manual network configuration in setup |
| 11:49.21 | k31th | what repo do i have to add? |
| 11:49.30 | k31th | is there nonfree or some thing? |
| 11:49.49 | rmaj | stew: hmm ok |
| 11:52.10 | tralala | k31th, google for debian-multimedia (unofficial) |
| 11:52.51 | tralala | !debian-multimedia |
| 11:52.51 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 11:53.08 | tralala | apparently dpkg is well informed |
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| 11:54.58 | DeFirence | when setup installs the base system on a netinst iso, does it download the files or are they on the disk? |
| 11:55.17 | petemc | they're on the disk |
| 11:55.21 | DeFirence | kk |
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| 11:58.05 | DeFirence | oh and stew, i am using http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:58.50 | tralala | you're doing well |
| 11:59.21 | tralala | I wish more people were using debian stable |
| 11:59.42 | DeFirence | lol |
| 12:00.00 | sep | tralala, i think quite many are using debian stable ;) |
| 12:00.00 | neednick | why not just download cd1 and that way you'll have pretty much all you need to begin with |
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| 12:00.19 | xlotlu | i use that too before i dist-upgrade to sid |
| 12:00.30 | k31th | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 12:00.30 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
| 12:01.29 | DeFirence | what gui would u guys suggest? kde or gnome |
| 12:01.37 | DeFirence | i use kde in opensuse |
| 12:01.56 | stew | DeFirence: use whatever you are more comfortable with |
| 12:02.04 | tralala | sep, not enough :) |
| 12:02.05 | DeFirence | ok |
| 12:02.11 | DeFirence | :? |
| 12:02.12 | neednick | mac OS X |
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| 12:02.19 | neednick | sorry, wrong channel :P |
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| 12:02.53 | tralala | DeFirence, I suggest kde |
| 12:03.29 | DeFirence | i just need debian installed nice in a virtual machine so i can get used to it and test some software in it |
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| 12:03.49 | DeFirence | ive never used it before, but we are buying a dedicated server in the uk with debian on itt |
| 12:04.02 | ganesh | stew:"dot Pitch 1280*1024(NI)Max.Resolution"i din get anything like hsync or sync rate.. |
| 12:04.12 | ringo999_ | how can i see what kind of wireless card my system has found? there is no lspci on my system?... |
| 12:04.28 | tralala | install it |
| 12:04.31 | liable | ringo999_: install pciutils |
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| 12:05.25 | neednick | lshw is also a great piece of software to see what hardware you have |
| 12:06.33 | Ranpha1 | One very noobish question, if you compile a program and want to uninstall , do you do make uninstall? |
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| 12:07.39 | tralala | if the programme's authors are sane by make uninstall, otherwise by hunting every single file they stuck into your disk |
| 12:08.01 | ringo999_ | liable: any other way. the ethernet port is broken so i have not inet access... |
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| 12:08.43 | ringo999_ | i only have netinstall cd |
| 12:08.48 | Ranpha1 | tralala I thought someting like that.....first time compiling here :-) ..mmmm sa a message missing uninstall.....oh well |
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| 12:09.45 | DeFirence | ok |
| 12:09.45 | DeFirence | im here now: http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.JPG |
| 12:09.47 | liable | ringo999_: checking dmesg may give a clue maybe |
| 12:09.48 | neednick | Ranpha1: look at using make-kpkg when compiling custom builds as it will be easier to remove things later on |
| 12:10.09 | tralala | there are programmes which try to track the files installed by 'make install' but it's been quite a while since I last compiled non-debian sources so I don't remember them anymore |
| 12:10.39 | DeFirence | so i go yes and then i need to choose a mirror, last time i tried none of the mirrors worked |
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| 12:11.01 | ringo999_ | liable: would it help to get the business install cd? |
| 12:11.08 | tralala | neednick, make-kpkg is for kernels |
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| 12:11.09 | DeFirence | which mirror should i use? |
| 12:11.13 | liable | ringo999_: not at all |
| 12:11.23 | ringo999_ | liable: dmesg doesnt really help, i think its wrong |
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| 12:11.55 | liable | ringo999_: well, whatever the kernel says, lspci is likely to agree with |
| 12:12.04 | neednick | oops, sorry, dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 12:12.25 | ringo999_ | liable: mmm... |
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| 12:12.32 | tralala | DeFirence, any mirror. If it's not working then the network config of the virtual machine is missing/wrong |
| 12:12.53 | ringo999_ | liable: well it talks about airport, oronicon and hermes... |
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| 12:13.27 | tralala | neednick, that's for debian sources only |
| 12:13.29 | Ranpha1 | neednick isn't that for kernels only? |
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| 12:13.36 | Ranpha1 | lol |
| 12:13.36 | mooper | Im getting really confused about rsync. I ussue the command -- rsync -v -r /var/www rsync://user@ns.moonet.co.uk/user/ but the files get put into /var/rsync/ |
| 12:13.54 | mooper | I have about 5 computers I want seperate space for, how do IO set this up? |
| 12:13.57 | Ranpha1 | mooper use /var/www/ you forgot the / |
| 12:13.59 | mooper | use per computer? |
| 12:14.13 | liable | ringo999_: go to linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org and check others reports about your model |
| 12:15.14 | ringo999_ | liable: alright will try. thx |
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| 12:16.03 | ganesh | tew:synchronisation 30~70khz what to add to xorg.conf? |
| 12:16.12 | mooper | Ranpha1: That doesnt seem to make any difference |
| 12:16.28 | DeFirence | tralala: how can i change the gatewat without restarting setup from the beginning? |
| 12:16.50 | tralala | DeFirence, go back to the network configuration step |
| 12:16.54 | ganesh | stew:synchronisation 30~70khz what to add to xorg.conf? |
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| 12:19.15 | stew | ganesh: add this to your Monitor secition, "HorizSync 30-70" |
| 12:19.20 | waKKu | morning folks.. |
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| 12:19.49 | waKKu | someone there using debian 4.0 (kernel 2.6.18-4) and LVM snapshots ??? I'm having problems with it.. |
| 12:19.53 | tralala | afternoon fellah |
| 12:19.58 | mooper | Im getting really confused about rsync. I ussue the command -- rsync -v -r /var/www rsync://user@ns.moonet.co.uk/user/ but the files get put into /var/rsync/. How should I be setting up my users on rsync so each computer Im backing up has a seperate directory? |
| 12:20.42 | tralala | mooper, I use rsync over ssh and it works as expected |
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| 12:21.53 | ganesh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:22.52 | tralala | isn't it easier to reconfigure xorg? |
| 12:23.00 | Ranpha1 | ganesh Yep |
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| 12:24.24 | ringo999_ | liable: how would i normally activate my ethernet port? ifconfig doesnt show it |
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| 12:24.38 | tralala | ringo999_, ifconfig -a? |
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| 12:24.54 | efaistos | do you know if something like embarcadero or toad exists under debian for Sybase servers ? |
| 12:25.21 | rockj | Greetings, anyone could help me with xscreensaver with xfce4 on lenny? daemon is running but the screensaver never starts after 1min idle :/ |
| 12:25.36 | DeFirence | ive tried 2 mirrors now, on in south africa and one germany, both give this error http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.JPG |
| 12:25.42 | DeFirence | :(( |
| 12:25.55 | faber4 | my debian system all the sudden has "rw-rw---" for /dev/null. how does this happen? |
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| 12:26.20 | tralala | DeFirence, can you ping from a console? |
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| 12:26.36 | stew | ganesh: yes |
| 12:26.39 | ganesh | stew:its read only file..chmod 744 xorg.conf ll work? |
| 12:26.42 | Ranpha1 | DeFirence try surfnet in the netherlands |
| 12:26.58 | stew | ganesh: no, edit it as root, it should not be executable |
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| 12:29.28 | DeFirence | tralala: ill try get to console now... |
| 12:29.28 | tralala | DeFirence, alt+f2 |
| 12:29.28 | DeFirence | ok |
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| 12:29.36 | DeFirence | i just setup a windows virtual machine which is the gateway |
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| 12:29.44 | DeFirence | so i know the gateway works |
| 12:29.55 | gonzaloaf | hi, what version is the latest debian kernel? |
| 12:30.10 | tralala | 2.4.18 in etch |
| 12:30.23 | gonzaloaf | hi, what version is the latest debian kernel? |
| 12:30.25 | DeFirence | how do u ping from the console? |
| 12:30.30 | DeFirence | it says ping not found |
| 12:30.56 | Nihill | tralala, 2.6.18 |
| 12:30.58 | tralala | wget yahoo.com? |
| 12:31.04 | tralala | ermm.. right |
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| 12:31.43 | DeFirence | can wget http://www.yahoo.com |
| 12:31.51 | DeFirence | so inet def works |
| 12:32.15 | tralala | so find a working mirror then |
| 12:32.17 | gonzaloaf | tralala, in lenny? |
| 12:32.38 | tralala | !find linux-image lenny |
| 12:32.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'linux-image' (1): (/usr/bin/{lh_binary_linux-image|lh_chroot_linux-image}) in misc/live-helper. |
| 12:33.02 | tralala | !info linux-image lenny |
| 12:33.23 | wols_ | tralala: that doesn't work. you need exact names |
| 12:33.23 | gonzaloaf | whats the difference between the linux-image-2.6.22 and linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 ? |
| 12:33.33 | tralala | meh |
| 12:33.42 | tralala | gonzaloaf, find out at packages.debian.org |
| 12:33.43 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: om öemmy ot |
| 12:33.47 | wols_ | i's 2.6.22 |
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| 12:33.56 | liable | gonzaloaf: the .22 one is a custom one |
| 12:34.18 | wols_ | the .22 is in lenny (and sid) |
| 12:34.19 | gonzaloaf | liable, and the -2-686? |
| 12:34.37 | DeFirence | <Ranpha1> DeFirence try surfnet in the netherlands - i still get that same error? |
| 12:34.46 | DeFirence | all mirrors give me that error |
| 12:34.51 | DeFirence | but internet works |
| 12:34.53 | DeFirence | so wtf |
| 12:35.00 | liable | gonzaloaf: thats a debian image |
| 12:35.06 | ganesh | stew:ya i did it...what next?? |
| 12:35.15 | Ranpha1 | DeFirence ...then the key of the image is bad...because surfnet always works |
| 12:35.22 | gonzaloaf | liable, still dont get it |
| 12:35.24 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 12:35.29 | DeFirence | so now its the iso? |
| 12:35.33 | Ranpha1 | trying stab;e? |
| 12:35.40 | Ranpha1 | *stable |
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| 12:35.46 | DeFirence | this is stable |
| 12:35.48 | gonzaloaf | liable, so both of them are custom ones? |
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| 12:35.53 | liable | gonzaloaf: the -2 is a debian version and the 686 bit is an architecture identifier |
| 12:36.00 | stew | ganesh: restart x |
| 12:36.02 | wols_ | DeFirence: ignore you. you can fix it later |
| 12:36.05 | DeFirence | its http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:36.07 | Ranpha1 | DeFirence try a cd check , see if the iso is not bad |
| 12:36.10 | ehird` | going to: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-40r1-powerpc-netinst.iso redirects to a "laotzu" server |
| 12:36.13 | DeFirence | kk |
| 12:36.17 | ehird` | first, though, it redirects to laotzu.STUFF |
| 12:36.22 | ehird` | but that redirects to just http://laotzu/... |
| 12:36.27 | gonzaloaf | liable, ok lets try this new kernel |
| 12:36.28 | ehird` | help? |
| 12:36.31 | ehird` | =) |
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| 12:36.36 | goku04 | goku04 Su #debian Un Saluto a tutti |
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| 12:38.00 | cmen | r/j #css |
| 12:38.20 | cmen | oops |
| 12:38.21 | cmen | :/ |
| 12:38.40 | DeFirence | *sigh* |
| 12:38.47 | DeFirence | the iso is fine |
| 12:39.01 | DeFirence | i did a cd check |
| 12:39.04 | DeFirence | says its fine |
| 12:39.16 | Ranpha1 | DeFirence mmmmm so internet works...can you try on a differnt computer and see if the mirrors are working there....btw you where on a virtual machine right? |
| 12:39.19 | DeFirence | anything else i can try? |
| 12:39.37 | DeFirence | its in a vitual machine |
| 12:39.41 | DeFirence | virtual* |
| 12:39.47 | DeFirence | i dont have another pc atm |
| 12:39.47 | Ranpha1 | what brand of virtual machine? |
| 12:39.48 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 12:39.53 | DeFirence | vmware |
| 12:40.03 | wols_ | DeFirence: you don't need internet access for installing. check the problem after install when you can actaully see error messages and what'S going on |
| 12:40.07 | Ranpha1 | and the network is configured at NAT? |
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| 12:40.20 | Ranpha1 | wols_ he can't install |
| 12:40.22 | DeFirence | wols_: its a netinst iso |
| 12:40.25 | wols_ | DeFirence: how did you check your VM can access the network |
| 12:40.38 | wols_ | netinst can be installed without network access. it will install a normal debian base system |
| 12:40.42 | tralala | the network is fine he did wget yahoo.com from console |
| 12:40.46 | DeFirence | internet works, i can wget yahoo |
| 12:40.47 | DeFirence | ya |
| 12:40.51 | wols_ | it's the businesscard that needs network eaccess |
| 12:41.01 | DeFirence | its not a bussinesscard |
| 12:41.06 | DeFirence | its netinst |
| 12:41.09 | wols_ | then no network is necessary |
| 12:41.14 | DeFirence | ok |
| 12:41.20 | DeFirence | so i skip packages now |
| 12:41.23 | DeFirence | and continue? |
| 12:41.25 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:41.27 | Ranpha1 | euh wget is http right..mirros where ftp? |
| 12:41.37 | wols_ | Ranpha1: no. mirrors are both |
| 12:41.43 | tralala | nevertheless the network is there and working. I wonder why the mirrors are not. |
| 12:41.47 | wols_ | and wget can use ftp just fine too |
| 12:42.02 | wols_ | wget from a mirror |
| 12:43.01 | tralala | DeFirence, try wget http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/dists/etch/Release |
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| 12:44.08 | gonzaloaf | nvidia |
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| 12:46.15 | gonzaloaf | there is no modules of nvidia for the 2.6.22 kernel right? |
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| 12:47.15 | zaplonk | I'm sure you could build your own... |
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| 12:47.34 | CalJohn | is there a clever way to make filelight/etc work so I can look in-detail at disk usage on the debian /? I want to include /home and /mnt/, specifically. |
| 12:47.38 | zaplonk | and I think tis "are" cause modules are plural :-P |
| 12:48.13 | gonzaloaf | zaplonk, yes :$ |
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| 12:48.22 | zaplonk | me not english either. |
| 12:48.25 | gonzaloaf | zaplonk, how can I build them? |
| 12:48.46 | zaplonk | install nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 12:48.53 | zaplonk | That drops a tarball in /usr/src iirc. |
| 12:49.12 | zaplonk | if you extract that it spits out stuff in /usr/src/modules |
| 12:49.41 | gonzaloaf | zaplonk, ok |
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| 12:50.03 | DeFirence | <tralala> DeFirence, try wget http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/dists/etch/Release - works 100% |
| 12:50.06 | zaplonk | Then you configure your kernel with the same config you currently have... |
| 12:50.16 | zaplonk | which you will find in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:50.29 | zaplonk | And then: make-kpkg modules-image |
| 12:50.32 | zaplonk | iirc anyway. |
| 12:51.01 | zaplonk | make-kpkg then builds modules for everything in /usr/src/modules and sticks them in debs in /usr/src. |
| 12:51.32 | gonzaloaf | zaplonk, can you help me to configure my kernel? |
| 12:51.39 | zaplonk | I recall I made a deb with the nvidia network drivers a LONG LONG time ago before the focedeth driver was worth anything. |
| 12:52.23 | zaplonk | Basically, take the current config. Which is in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:52.34 | zaplonk | Put it in the kernel source code and call it .config |
| 12:52.38 | zaplonk | then run: make oldconfig |
| 12:52.42 | zaplonk | voila, tis configured. |
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| 12:52.50 | tralala | DeFirence, well do the base install and we'll see later |
| 12:52.55 | zaplonk | anything else is an excercise for the reader. |
| 12:53.11 | gonzaloaf | zaplonk, I have to download the linux-source then |
| 12:53.15 | tralala | or try to use otenet.gr as a mirror |
| 12:53.16 | zaplonk | yep |
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| 12:53.32 | zaplonk | or apt-get install linux-source-2.6.22 or whatever, if it is available. |
| 12:53.57 | zaplonk | that drops a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src with the kernel source. |
| 12:54.03 | gonzaloaf | zaplonk, no matter if i'm using linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 right? |
| 12:54.18 | zaplonk | linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 is an empty package that depends on the real thing. |
| 12:54.26 | zaplonk | oh wait... |
| 12:54.33 | zaplonk | I'm talking crap. |
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| 12:54.36 | zaplonk | It's the real thing. |
| 12:54.57 | zaplonk | It doesn't matter which binary version you are running, they all build off the same source anyway. |
| 12:55.04 | zaplonk | and you don't have to actually recompile the kernel. |
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| 12:55.23 | zaplonk | You just need to have it configured the same way as the one you are running in order to build modules for it. |
| 12:55.59 | zaplonk | gotta run, have a zope to upgrade. |
| 12:56.03 | harpal | I want that when all request to eth0 will allowded to go to eth1 and that request will also allowded but it cant allow request from eth1 to eth0 |
| 12:56.13 | tralala | zaplonk, sounds painful |
| 12:56.17 | gonzaloaf | zaplonk, ok thanks |
| 12:56.21 | zaplonk | np |
| 12:56.24 | zaplonk | good luck |
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| 12:56.52 | zaplonk | tralala: ja, tis a major move from Plone 2.1.2 to 2.5.3. Always painful. The 3rd party stuff don't always upgrade properly. |
| 12:57.20 | SpeedyG | Hi, where does *nix store its login attemts through ssh ? |
| 12:57.21 | tralala | oh, it's even worse with plone |
| 12:57.28 | alex_ | how would i limit like port 80 to only us like 25% of my bandwidth, while for example port 25 / 110 to use like 50% while leavin 25% free? |
| 12:57.41 | DeFirence | ok, installations finished and its booting up, whats next? |
| 12:57.44 | tralala | SpeedyG, debian does in /var/log/auth.log |
| 12:57.57 | SpeedyG | tralala: ok, thanks, that means I was digging in the right file :) |
| 12:58.03 | tralala | alex_, /msg dpkg lartc |
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| 12:58.14 | alex_ | tralala, ty :> |
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| 12:58.41 | tralala | DeFirence, add a mirror in sources.list, run aptitude update |
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| 12:59.19 | DeFirence | ive never used debian before... |
| 12:59.20 | stew | alex_: have a look at wondershaper |
| 12:59.25 | DeFirence | wheres sources.list |
| 12:59.41 | stew | DeFirence: man sources.list |
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| 13:00.27 | DeFirence | then how do i edit it from man? |
| 13:00.35 | alex_ | stew, wondershaper only does network devices doesnt it? |
| 13:00.39 | DeFirence | soz, im used to using gui mainly in nix |
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| 13:02.21 | tralala | DeFirence, you can't edit it from man - use nano |
| 13:02.30 | alex_ | DeFirence, vi or pico or nano |
| 13:02.34 | stew | alex_: what do you mean? |
| 13:02.41 | stew | DeFirence: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:03.19 | stew | alex_: wondershaper is for shaping the traffic over a particular network device, is that not what you want? |
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| 13:04.07 | alex_ | stew, not really, one device, just wanting to traffic shape particular ports etc |
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| 13:04.40 | DeFirence | so i just add: deb sourceurl ? |
| 13:05.27 | tralala | DeFirence, deb http://debian.otenet.gr/debian/ etch main |
| 13:05.38 | stew | alex_: if you don't want to use wondershaper as a starting point, then write a script to do it manually with tc and ip |
| 13:05.40 | DeFirence | kk, ta |
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| 13:06.03 | alex_ | stew, ive used wondershaper in the past as a starting point, but agian, its not what im looking for |
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| 13:06.14 | stew | alex_: what is the question then? |
| 13:06.24 | alex_ | how would i limit like port 80 to only us like 25% of my bandwidth, while for example port 25 / 110 to use like 50% while leavin 25% free? |
| 13:06.39 | alex_ | .. |
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| 13:07.20 | tralala | alex_, you mark the packets with netfilter and then proceed with the shaping |
| 13:07.43 | tralala | just as lartc explains it |
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| 13:07.56 | stew | alex_: well first of all, i'd recommend using htb so its not strickly 25% of your bandwidth, but it is 25% only under load, so that it can borrow from the 50% of port 25/110 when port 25/110 isn't using its traffic |
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| 13:08.41 | _bb7_ | hello, why do current debian version no create a "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:08.50 | stew | alex_: so then define a htb class that is 100% of your bandwidth, with tree children which are 25%, 25%, and 50% of your bandwidth |
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| 13:09.19 | _bb7_ | without that it is not possible to change the files and restart with /etc/init.d/networking |
| 13:09.44 | spoon | Hello. I have a new guy who is helping me out with the computer stuff, but I don't want to give him my root password. I would like him to have the privileges of installing new printers (CUPS) , set the the system clock. How do I do that? |
| 13:09.52 | petemc | _bb7_: if you're changing the file, why not just add it in anyway? |
| 13:11.01 | _bb7_ | because we deliver lot of debian and need automatic scripting |
| 13:11.12 | tralala | spoon, not easily. Probably with selinux |
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| 13:12.58 | no3sc | A really new question. How do I set my IP from DHCP to Static, let's say 192.168.0.1 |
| 13:13.16 | linio | man interfaces |
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| 13:13.27 | no3sc | ok linio thanks |
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| 13:14.03 | DeFirence | ok, heres the new set of errors i get: http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.jpg |
| 13:14.32 | ganesh | stew:thanx...it worked....but 1 more problem.. |
| 13:15.22 | wols_ | DeFirence: looks like broken DNS |
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| 13:15.30 | stew | DeFirence: your dns isn't setup, "man resolv.conf" |
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| 13:15.39 | DeFirence | kk |
| 13:15.43 | stew | DeFirence: are you using a static ip or dhcp? |
| 13:15.44 | ubunturos | how do I remove a half-configured package |
| 13:15.52 | DeFirence | static |
| 13:16.00 | tralala | stew, that's a vm setup btw |
| 13:16.03 | ubunturos | dpkg -r package-name doesn't help - if that's correct |
| 13:16.06 | stew | DeFirence: yeah, then you need to list at least one working nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:16.07 | DeFirence | but i setup the dns and ips etc in setup |
| 13:16.09 | stew | tralala: what is? |
| 13:16.21 | tralala | DeFirence's install |
| 13:16.22 | wols_ | stew: DeFirence's installation |
| 13:16.38 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.52 | ganesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.53 | stew | ubunturos: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:17.10 | stew | ganesh: yes, there should be no quotes in the line you add |
| 13:17.18 | xand | ubunturos: are you using ubuntu? |
| 13:17.24 | tralala | it truely doesn't, I was just giving you a quick briefing |
| 13:17.25 | ubunturos | stew: yes |
| 13:17.31 | ubunturos | xand: yes |
| 13:17.33 | DeFirence | ahh |
| 13:17.36 | xand | ubunturos: go to #ubuntu then, not here |
| 13:17.42 | DeFirence | the ip in resolv.conf was wrong |
| 13:17.50 | ubunturos | xand: ok |
| 13:18.19 | tralala | DeFirence, which makes me wonder how did wget work from the netcd in the first place... |
| 13:18.37 | DeFirence | tralala, in setup i set the right ips |
| 13:18.43 | DeFirence | i dunno why they dif now |
| 13:18.58 | DeFirence | where can i check the gateway ip? |
| 13:19.07 | DeFirence | cause i cant ping yahoo now |
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| 13:19.48 | tralala | DeFirence, in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:19.48 | wols_ | DeFirence: route for example |
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| 13:20.14 | ganesh | stew:in my friend's sys i m not able to install debian....bcz its not detecting the hard disk...its asking some driver floppy...can you help me? |
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| 13:20.33 | stew | ganesh: what controller is the hard drive hooked up to? |
| 13:21.06 | ganesh | stew:i didn't get you |
| 13:21.22 | DeFirence | ok, in setup i first set the dns and gateway to 192.168.0.2, then changes all that to .1 when .2 wasnt working, it seems now everything went back to .2 :S |
| 13:21.28 | stew | ganesh: how is the hard drive connected to the computer? |
| 13:21.41 | Lightning | Q. Installed the latest debian. I have 2 sata controller cards in my machine. hd0 has debian, hd2 has win2k. Originally told grub to use hd0 but win2k came up. Rebooted into rescue mode, told grub to install to hd2. i now get flooded with "grub grub grub grub..." on the screen. I was pointed to a post about auto-detect for hd's causing this and using user. Is there an alternative? |
| 13:21.41 | tralala | ganesh, your harddisk controller, mobo chipset and the like |
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| 13:24.40 | tls_81 | Hi, I have always been able to tunnel X apps through ssh... My new desire is to tunnel a whole new session with gnome aswell. Is this even possible? |
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| 13:25.33 | tralala | tls_81, it is, just run startgome or the like |
| 13:25.51 | tls_81 | tralala, thx. will try this... |
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| 13:27.04 | tls_81 | tralala: startgnome not found... |
| 13:27.24 | tralala | well figure out how gnome is started |
| 13:27.26 | tls_81 | ddoh gdm |
| 13:27.38 | tls_81 | tralala: lol |
| 13:27.39 | tralala | erm... no |
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| 13:27.56 | tralala | gdm is not the way for X forwarding |
| 13:28.17 | tls_81 | gnome-session |
| 13:28.29 | tralala | gnome-session be it |
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| 13:32.20 | ubunturos | xand: since, I couldn't get much help on #ubuntu, I guess, i'll have to post my question here. It is about dpkg |
| 13:32.25 | ganesh | stew: its connected through ata133 Hard disk connecter:IDE1 which has Ultra DMA 66/100/133 controller |
| 13:32.34 | DeFirence | *sigh* |
| 13:32.34 | xand | ubunturos: no, we don't support ubuntu here |
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| 13:32.55 | ubunturos | xand: but it is related to dpkg, doesn't that qualify? |
| 13:33.00 | xand | no |
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| 13:33.02 | DeFirence | im restarting debian now to see if maybe i can then ping something :( |
| 13:33.05 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 13:33.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:33.24 | ubunturos | xand: ok, thanks. Apologies :) |
| 13:33.29 | tralala | ubunturos, ask anyway |
| 13:33.37 | DeFirence | yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:33.43 | DeFirence | i can now ping yahoo.com |
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| 13:34.00 | wols_ | ubunturos: it doesn't, no |
| 13:34.22 | ganesh | tralala: its connected through ata133 Hard disk connecter:IDE1 which has Ultra DMA 66/100/133 controller |
| 13:34.40 | DeFirence | ok, now aptitude update is busy running.... |
| 13:34.44 | tralala | erm... I had a long brake and I feel generous even to ubuntu users now |
| 13:34.54 | tralala | break |
| 13:35.01 | stew | tralala: feel free to help them in #ubuntu, not here |
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| 13:35.43 | DeFirence | not downloading at a really fast speed tho :/ |
| 13:35.47 | stew | ganesh: tell him to try hitting "alt-f2" to get to a console and run "modprobe ide-generic" then hit "alt-f1" to get back to the installer, and repeat hard disk detection to see if it is detected subsequently |
| 13:36.00 | tralala | DeFirence, use a faster mirror |
| 13:36.13 | DeFirence | i put in the one u said :P |
| 13:36.24 | gonzaloaf | hi. I made the nvidia module with module-assistant, but it still doesnt work, can somebody made successfully nvidia-module for kernel 2.6.22? |
| 13:36.29 | DeFirence | and its already started updating... |
| 13:36.38 | stew | DeFirence: in which country are you located? |
| 13:36.40 | wols_ | !tell gonzaloaf about doesn't work |
| 13:36.46 | tralala | DeFirence, I gave you this one because I knew it was working |
| 13:36.47 | DeFirence | South Africa |
| 13:36.49 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 13:37.17 | tralala | but you're better off by using the closest possible mirror |
| 13:37.26 | DeFirence | ok, aptitude updates done |
| 13:37.32 | DeFirence | what now? |
| 13:37.48 | tralala | now you pick a better mirror and install kde |
| 13:37.56 | DeFirence | ok... |
| 13:38.04 | stew | DeFirence: try http://debian.mirror.ac.za/debian/ or http://ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/debian/ |
| 13:38.15 | DeFirence | kk |
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| 13:38.43 | ramiro | anybody know a nice "web-tcpdump" like ? |
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| 13:39.01 | DeFirence | how do i now install kde? |
| 13:39.17 | DeFirence | never installed nix part by part before :P |
| 13:39.18 | stew | DeFirence: aptitude install kde xorg |
| 13:39.23 | gonzaloaf | hi. I made the nvidia module with module-assistant, but when the system boots I receive this error: '(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0), can somebody made successfully nvidia-module for kernel 2.6.22? |
| 13:39.42 | DeFirence | k |
| 13:39.59 | DeFirence | shit |
| 13:40.06 | tralala | DeFirence, with debian you get the easiest experience |
| 13:40.11 | DeFirence | cannot find any packages called kde or xorg it says |
| 13:40.27 | tralala | do another update |
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| 13:40.48 | DeFirence | ahh k |
| 13:40.55 | vvd | how can i make gksu ask for the root passwd again when i previously said to save the password for this session? |
| 13:40.59 | DeFirence | and faster! :D |
| 13:41.13 | DeFirence | ALOT faster :) |
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| 13:42.12 | DeFirence | wow, kde is 400mb download.. |
| 13:42.32 | stew | !install kde |
| 13:42.32 | dpkg | i heard install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 13:43.08 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 13:43.15 | gonzaloaf | hi, Could somebody made successfully nvidia-module for kernel 2.6.22? |
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| 13:46.12 | ganesh | Stew: its asking PCMCIA range option after typing modprobe ide-generic in 'alt+F2' mode and after redetecting hard disk |
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| 13:47.03 | stew | ganesh: you don't want anything to do with pcmcia unless it is a laptop and you are using a cardbus card for something |
| 13:47.12 | stew | ganesh: are you saying that the hard disk was detected, or not? |
| 13:48.17 | wols_ | !tell gonzaloaf about smart questions |
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| 13:48.36 | ganesh | Stew: its not detected.... |
| 13:48.37 | gonzaloaf | wols_, this is the 2nd part of my question |
| 13:48.52 | wols_ | gonzaloaf:it's a useless question |
| 13:49.04 | stew | ganesh: does he have some other linux already running? |
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| 13:49.11 | gonzaloaf | wols_, well take care about the first one then |
| 13:49.15 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: did you try to make the module yourself? |
| 13:49.16 | py_ | hello |
| 13:49.25 | gonzaloaf | wols_, no |
| 13:49.26 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: I read the first. it's even worse |
| 13:49.32 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: why not? |
| 13:49.35 | ganesh | Stew: yes....Fedora.. |
| 13:49.40 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I just use the m-a |
| 13:49.51 | wols_ | so you did try. and what happened? |
| 13:50.25 | py_ | I've got chrony installed on a box, and time on that box is about 7h too fast. But chrony won't correct it. Is 7h too much for chrony to correct it? |
| 13:50.28 | gonzaloaf | wols_, (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 13:50.42 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: there was an error before that |
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| 13:51.13 | wols_ | py_: run ntpdate, then chrony |
| 13:51.28 | stew | ganesh: excellent, get him to boot fedora, and put the output of "lspci -n " into a pastebin. find out if the hard drive in question is recognized by fedora, and if so, what device name it gets |
| 13:51.52 | gonzaloaf | wols_, m-a did the module successfully and installed it, the error is when xorg tries to load the nvidia driver |
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| 13:52.11 | gonzaloaf | wols_, now I realize that I cant install nvidia-glx |
| 13:52.17 | py_ | Wols_: well, I know how to correct it (makestep in chronyc alsoi does the trick), but I was wondering about the "limit" chrony can correct. |
| 13:52.36 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: what videocard exactly and what is the output of dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 13:55.13 | gonzaloaf | wols_, MSI [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x], and http://pastebin.ca/746773 |
| 13:56.09 | |DuReX| | helloow :) when u install debian, u can select desktop profile etc right ... well now i have a pc installed with desktop profile, but how can i switch it to server profile ? cause i don't need all the desktop thingies, as its going to be a server |
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| 13:56.44 | xand | !u |
| 13:56.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:57.11 | maxamillion | |DuReX|: /msg dpkg runlevel |
| 13:57.16 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: you need the nvidia-kernel-legacy driver for your card |
| 13:57.27 | maxamillion | |DuReX|: you are going to need to edit a run level if you don't want that machine to boot into X anymore |
| 13:57.30 | gonzaloaf | wols_, ok let me install |
| 13:57.44 | wols_ | and the corresponding nvidia-glx |
| 13:57.51 | wols_ | they all need to be the same version |
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| 13:58.14 | tls_81 | tralala: thx for putting me in the right direction.... |
| 13:58.26 | tls_81 | got it all working perfectly now... |
| 13:58.59 | |DuReX| | maxamillion: its not about booting in it, i just want to remove it ... |
| 13:59.20 | maxamillion | |DuReX|: remove it completely? |
| 13:59.31 | cydork | |DuReX|: you can do tasksel remove desktop, but it will remove whole lot of stuff.. |
| 13:59.33 | |DuReX| | yes |
| 13:59.45 | cydork | maxamillion: there is no difference in debian runlevels. |
| 13:59.54 | maxamillion | cydork: when you edit them there are |
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| 14:00.23 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I dont have this pkg available: nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 14:00.40 | maxamillion | cydork: '/msg dpkg runlevels' give docs on how to edit them, which is why i offered that snippet to |DuReX| |
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| 14:01.30 | gonzaloaf | wols_, maybe I need to get it from sid repos? |
| 14:01.34 | abrotman | pete! |
| 14:01.43 | pseubodot | abrotman! |
| 14:02.08 | abrotman | pseubodot: i think you'd be very happy with the topic in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:02.26 | cydork | damn bots!! |
| 14:02.31 | abrotman | pseubodot: it's exactly your style! |
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| 14:02.58 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: you don't need it from sid, it's in testing. |
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| 14:03.14 | no3sc | Anyone who can tell me how to name my screen windows. I can't seem to get it to work |
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| 14:03.28 | stew | no3sc: screen -S name |
| 14:03.39 | no3sc | ok |
| 14:03.40 | no3sc | thanks |
| 14:03.48 | no3sc | Can I do it after I started the screen? |
| 14:03.55 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I just have nvidia-glx binaries but none of them correspond to the 2.6.22 kernel |
| 14:04.03 | gonzaloaf | wols_, just 2.6.18 |
| 14:04.25 | stew | no3sc: ctrl-a :sessionname newname |
| 14:04.39 | no3sc | ok thanks |
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| 14:05.13 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: then you need to create it from source packages. possibly from sid ones |
| 14:05.18 | ringo999 | how do i properly stop the acpi daemon? |
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| 14:05.32 | stew | ringo999: /etc/init.d/acpid stop |
| 14:05.32 | no3sc | d |
| 14:05.41 | ringo999 | ok |
| 14:05.58 | gonzaloaf | wols_, can you help me do it? |
| 14:06.13 | Speckal | what do I need to do to give write access to users of group 'usb' for /dev/usb/hiddev0 ? |
| 14:06.40 | no3sc | stew: I get "unkown command" from doing that. |
| 14:06.40 | Speckal | long-term solution please. something that will stick after reboot |
| 14:07.25 | xand | Speckal: who is that owned by? |
| 14:07.28 | xand | (what group) |
| 14:07.56 | Speckal | xand: root/root |
| 14:08.09 | stew | no3sc: if you are inside a screen session, hold down the control key and hit 'a', then type ":sessionname newname<enter>". note that you need to type the : |
| 14:08.34 | no3sc | stew: precise what I did :/ |
| 14:08.52 | Speckal | xand: I'm thinking it's a udev rule change |
| 14:08.57 | no3sc | "2962.pts-1.htpc irssi"<- I wrote this |
| 14:09.04 | no3sc | is that to much :P or to little |
| 14:09.07 | xand | Speckal: maybe, not sure |
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| 14:09.17 | no3sc | or just wrong =) |
| 14:09.17 | stew | no3sc: why not just "htpc" |
| 14:09.30 | no3sc | htpc is the name of the computer? |
| 14:09.33 | stew | no3sc: i'm guessing that it didn't like the space |
| 14:10.30 | Speckal | anyone? how to allow users of group 'usb' write access to /dev/usb/hiddev* devices as they are created ? |
| 14:10.30 | stew | no3sc: just give it a simple one word name. |
| 14:10.41 | stew | Speckal: are you using udev? |
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| 14:11.09 | Speckal | stew: yes. default setup on etch |
| 14:11.35 | liable | pludev probably |
| 14:11.50 | liable | add a g in there somewhere |
| 14:12.02 | Speckal | plugdev is fine. just need that assigned to /dev/usb/hiddev* as they're created |
| 14:12.18 | Speckal | atm they are created root/root |
| 14:12.34 | no3sc | tazle: st |
| 14:12.34 | no3sc | tazle: a |
| 14:12.34 | no3sc | asddasfdfewewqasdssasdasdxczasdfewskjfndqeasdasd |
| 14:12.43 | stew | Speckal: create a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ that contains the line "KERNEL=="hiddev*" GROUP="usb" |
| 14:12.43 | liable | eek |
| 14:13.05 | liable | no3sc: are you using mirc or something? |
| 14:13.06 | no3sc | I am truly sorry for that. I locked my screen and didnt know how to get it of again. |
| 14:13.10 | no3sc | liable: irssi |
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| 14:13.21 | liable | no3sc: how did you do that? |
| 14:13.28 | no3sc | :P dont know? |
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| 14:13.33 | no3sc | ctrl+a +s? |
| 14:13.34 | ldrada | Hi. |
| 14:13.37 | no3sc | or something |
| 14:13.38 | stew | i did that twice recently in irssi an have no idea how |
| 14:13.44 | Speckal | will give it a shot. thanks stew :) |
| 14:14.01 | no3sc | AAH |
| 14:14.03 | liable | i have never seen that before |
| 14:14.06 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I cannot install the nvidia-kernel-legacy-source from sid repos, unresolvable dependencies :( |
| 14:14.09 | no3sc | ctrl+a +s = lock |
| 14:14.16 | no3sc | ctrl+a +q = unlock |
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| 14:14.27 | stew | no3sc: you forgot the : |
| 14:14.29 | no3sc | but it seems like you still "types" |
| 14:14.37 | no3sc | stew: when? |
| 14:14.53 | ldrada | I'm having some troubles with the RTC drivers on my dell Poweredge. I've tried almost every single thing I could come up with (Including building several versions of linux-kernel with several different options). |
| 14:14.54 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: why do you need a .22 kernel? |
| 14:14.54 | stew | no3sc: i'm guessing you were trying to type "ctrl-a screenname" instead of "ctrl-a :screenname" |
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| 14:15.04 | stew | but maybe i'm wrong |
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| 14:15.34 | gonzaloaf | wols_, synaptic doesnt tell me |
| 14:15.36 | no3sc | stew: I did use ":" but ill try again |
| 14:15.49 | ldrada | I've finally found a plausible solution to the problem, although it seems there's something missing from "make menuconfig" when I try it. The suggestion is to enable RTC emulation for HPET, but the kernel option for it is unavailable when I try it. |
| 14:16.00 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: answer my question please |
| 14:16.08 | ldrada | Anybody know where it's gone? |
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| 14:16.57 | ldrada | Also, adding the option to .config (CONFIG_HPET_EMULATE_RTC=yes) doesn't work. |
| 14:17.12 | no3sc | hmm.. well nvm.. 'll read some more in man |
| 14:17.18 | no3sc | thanks again stew |
| 14:17.18 | gonzaloaf | wols_, ooh, because I like the latest pkgs, sometimes they improve many things about hardware issues |
| 14:17.49 | liable | ldrada: if its unavailable, then it prolly depends on another driver being enabled first |
| 14:18.02 | liable | ldrada: do you have the experimental drivers option enabled? |
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| 14:18.19 | stew | no3sc: you were trying to name the screen "irssi"? |
| 14:18.20 | ldrada | liable: Like, it won't show up in the menu until I enable the driver/option that it depends on? |
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| 14:18.26 | liable | ldrada: yep |
| 14:18.33 | jepler | I hope I'm overlooking something simple. Suppose I have the file example_1.0-1_i386.deb on my system. It requires some other packages that are installable with apt-get. What command do I invoke to automatically install the dependencies with apt-get, then install the package I have on my local system? |
| 14:18.36 | ldrada | hm... thanks, I'll try. |
| 14:18.58 | jepler | I looked for .deb in 'man apt-get' but it only tells me not to use full package names on the 'install' commandline) |
| 14:18.59 | stew | no3sc: then just: ctrl-a :screenname irssi<enter> ; don't put in any of the stuff like "2962.pts-1.htpc" |
| 14:19.03 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: you are not fit enough to run testing imho |
| 14:19.12 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: run ubuntu |
| 14:19.17 | gonzaloaf | wols_, :( |
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| 14:19.37 | dcnoye | how do i turn off dhcp? |
| 14:19.37 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I'm running testing for 2 years |
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| 14:19.44 | stew | jepler: run "dpkg -i example_1.0-1_i386.deb ; apt-get -f install" the dpkg -i will fail due to the missing dependencies, then apt-get -f install with fix them |
| 14:19.54 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: and you haven't learned anything since apparently |
| 14:20.02 | gonzaloaf | wols_, many things |
| 14:20.09 | stew | drop it, move on |
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| 14:20.57 | jepler | stew: aha, thanks |
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| 14:21.20 | Speckal | (udev question) do rules from z.rules overwrite rules from a.rules ? in other words, to change the handling of a device, should I replace the original line in etch's a.rules or add an "overwrite" rule to a custom z.rules ? |
| 14:21.26 | |bb7| | why is package initrd-tools not in testing? |
| 14:21.50 | liable | !why is initrd-tools not in testing? |
| 14:21.50 | dpkg | initrd-tools is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=initrd-tools |
| 14:22.06 | Speckal | (wow) |
| 14:22.11 | DeFirence | ok guys, kde is finished downloading, after its installed, what else must i install? |
| 14:22.22 | stew | |bb7|: becuase initrd-tools depends on devfs and therefore is only valid for kernels < 2.6.13. use initramfs-tools instead |
| 14:22.48 | ldrada | liable: Silly question, but is there a way I can see if an option depends on some other thing? |
| 14:22.48 | |bb7| | thank you |
| 14:23.01 | liable | Speckal: i have only ever edited a z rule |
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| 14:23.21 | liable | ldrada: hit / in menuconfig and search for rts and see if you can track it |
| 14:23.31 | vvd | any exim professionals here? |
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| 14:23.56 | SlayerXP | wd: I know quite a lot about exim, just ask your question. |
| 14:24.01 | ldrada | ty |
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| 14:24.30 | SlayerXP | ldrada: is it really such an effort to type "thankyou" when someone helps you out? |
| 14:24.37 | cydork | jepler: also gdebi can do that. (i know its idotic.. but it does the job :) |
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| 14:24.53 | vvd | SlayerXP: is it possible to remove the "Received: from vvd by miqu.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63)..." header for outgoing mails? |
| 14:25.04 | SlayerXP | wd: yes, you'd use a system filter |
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| 14:25.34 | vvd | SlayerXP: im on etch, where and how? :) |
| 14:25.37 | ringo999_ | hi. im trying to use uswsusp and hibernate with s2disk. however, when i resume the system it gets stuck at "savedefault" and nothing happens? any idea? |
| 14:25.50 | SlayerXP | wd: well, you'd start with the exim docs, and the system filters section. |
| 14:26.07 | vvd | SlayerXP: ug,... ok ^^) |
| 14:26.08 | M0useP0t4t0 | My friend works in this organisation, he wants to know, if it is possible to strip outgoing mails of their domain-name? |
| 14:26.17 | liable | ldrada: searching for hpet seems to be the one you might want |
| 14:26.24 | SlayerXP | wd: there's nothing debian specific about exim system filters |
| 14:27.18 | ldrada | liable: Yeah, I figured that out =) |
| 14:27.58 | ldrada | liable: But it doesn't seem to be linked to any menuconfig option if I'm reading the output correctly, is that right? If so, will it be enabled if I enable it in .config? |
| 14:28.14 | vvd | SlayerXP: well, i thought dc_readhost= and dc_hide_mailname= in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf would do the job, but they basically do nothing ^^) |
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| 14:28.36 | vvd | nothing expected |
| 14:29.09 | SlayerXP | wd: neither of those options are anything to do with mail header stripping. |
| 14:29.26 | liable | ldrada: looks to me, if you say yes at hpet, the kpet rtc should be enabled also |
| 14:29.38 | liable | *hpet |
| 14:29.40 | ldrada | hmm |
| 14:30.07 | liable | ldrada: if you say yes a hpet, then search again, at the bottom it should show it as yes |
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| 14:30.23 | liable | for hpet rtc |
| 14:30.44 | liable | hrm, no it doesnt |
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| 14:30.54 | ldrada | idd. |
| 14:30.59 | ldrada | I'll just edit the .config later. |
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| 14:40.09 | keith4 | ew. has anyone ever dealt with paradox? |
| 14:40.17 | keith4 | i see that libpx1 is packaged... |
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| 14:53.09 | ma3x | is there another thing than 'renice' to limit the use of cpu? |
| 14:53.39 | ma3x | I mean what 'renice' does is only set a priority. It doesn't set a limit for the app to use the cpu |
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| 14:54.02 | ma3x | let's say I'd like the app to use %50 of cpu and i want to have the other 50 idle |
| 14:54.08 | ma3x | how do i do that? |
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| 14:55.22 | keith4 | look at tge cpulimit package |
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| 14:56.04 | keith4 | ma3x: see package "cpulimit" |
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| 14:57.07 | ma3x | keith4, thanks! |
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| 14:58.55 | keith4 | ma3x: ulimit also might help you, but that's not just for one process |
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| 15:00.02 | ma3x | keith4, thanks again! |
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| 15:00.49 | pif | hi, is there any downside in installing the 64bit arch on a new Xeon server? |
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| 15:01.56 | xand | pif: not really |
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| 15:04.00 | liable | not for a server |
| 15:04.24 | stew | pif: it will require more memory |
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| 15:06.44 | gotenks | i'm having troubles changing the sizes of the partitions during setup, how do you do that? |
| 15:11.15 | wols_ | gotenks: you can't |
| 15:11.31 | petemc | you can, if you dont mind losing data |
| 15:13.05 | ma3x | do you know how do i reattach session in kde konsole? |
| 15:13.10 | ma3x | i attached it by mistake |
| 15:13.14 | ma3x | now i cant reattach |
| 15:13.20 | pif | xand, stew: thanks |
| 15:14.10 | gotenks | wols_, so i have to create the partitions manually? |
| 15:14.19 | fyrestrtr | on a 1.8 Ghz Centrino with 1GB RAM, what is the recommended desktop for *performance* |
| 15:14.51 | petemc | any desktop should work reasonably with that spec |
| 15:15.14 | pif | fyrestrtr : openbox |
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| 15:15.33 | fyrestrtr | there is one issue, the maximum resolution supported is 1024x768, so I am looking for someting that doesn't take a lot of screen space for itself. |
| 15:15.52 | petemc | theres heaps of minimal window managers |
| 15:16.05 | fyrestrtr | I have used fluxbox before. |
| 15:16.18 | fyrestrtr | but it was too minimal :( |
| 15:16.34 | petemc | xfce is a happy medium |
| 15:16.34 | pif | try openbox, its minimal but very functional |
| 15:16.52 | Decepticon | xfce is beautiful |
| 15:16.55 | Decepticon | highly recommended |
| 15:17.04 | fyrestrtr | okay, I'll give that a try. |
| 15:17.22 | fyrestrtr | off to reboot and install; hopefully it will not choke on the existing Vista installation. |
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| 15:22.06 | M0useP0t4t0 | is there any channel like 'debian-classroom'? |
| 15:22.12 | xXCarpXx | /[17:17:15] <fyrestrtr> off to reboot and install; hopefully it will not choke on the existing Vista installation. <-lol |
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| 15:22.49 | stew | M0useP0t4t0: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 15:22.51 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: nope |
| 15:23.26 | M0useP0t4t0 | thanks! I am looking for someone to teach me things (please don't flame) |
| 15:23.34 | cydork | stew: #ubuntu is having some "classes" for new developers.. ;) |
| 15:23.41 | Ronin | M0useP0t4t0: tldp.org |
| 15:24.03 | M0useP0t4t0 | there's one session going on in 'ubuntu-classroom' already |
| 15:24.07 | stew | M0useP0t4t0: if you ask specific questions you'll get answers here, but really should be specific. if you want general learning, try the debian-reference |
| 15:24.30 | M0useP0t4t0 | thanks guys! |
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| 15:29.05 | no3sc | stew: how do I findout the ""screenname" then? |
| 15:29.33 | stew | no3sc: "screen -ls" will list all of the screens if that is what you mean |
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| 15:30.45 | no3sc | hmm when I do that I only get that wierd stuff.. Well nvm.. see you |
| 15:30.54 | stew | no3sc: put it in a pastebin |
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| 15:31.42 | no3sc | stew: In a while. My girl got home =) |
| 15:34.10 | ma3x | keith4, you there? |
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| 15:35.21 | keith4 | ma3x: yah |
| 15:35.43 | ma3x | keith4, why when i run cpulimit it stops the process shortly [1]+ Stopped |
| 15:36.18 | ma3x | and then if i do ctrl+c |
| 15:36.21 | keith4 | no idea. i've never used it ;-) |
| 15:36.21 | ma3x | I stop cpulimit |
| 15:36.28 | ma3x | and then I can not ctrl+c the program |
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| 15:36.41 | pashabear | i'm trying to get a rescue system installed on a usb memory stick. i can't seem to get grub installed on the stick, the net-install put it on my hard drive (my bad, just used the default) |
| 15:37.01 | pashabear | i've never been able to get grub installed on a stick like this |
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| 15:37.31 | pashabear | root (hd1,0) works ok, but it won't accept install (hd1) |
| 15:37.54 | hipodilski | Is there a sort of tutorial online which describes howto setup both php 4 and php 5 on one apache server |
| 15:38.00 | hipodilski | ? |
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| 15:39.08 | stew | hipodilski: the debian packages won't allow it |
| 15:39.38 | stew | hipodilski: you can setup php4 with apache and php5 with apache2 instead, if you really need both. but you should really consider moving everything to php5 |
| 15:40.36 | hipodilski | stew: for this purpose I have to compile php from source |
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| 15:40.47 | DeFirence | ok guys, i need help again please |
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| 15:40.51 | mrjive | hi * |
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| 15:41.01 | DeFirence | ive now finished installing kde and xorg |
| 15:41.18 | hipodilski | I've red tutorial online setting up php 4 and php 5 on one server compiling custom php I've compiled one and followed the tutorial but still still it doesn't work |
| 15:41.32 | DeFirence | what else do i need to install for the system? |
| 15:41.56 | wols_ | DeFirence: nothing. you don't need X or kde either |
| 15:42.08 | stew | hipodilski: ask ##php or #apache ; its not something we would support |
| 15:42.21 | DeFirence | lol, i know i know wols_ |
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| 15:42.34 | DeFirence | it also wont allow me to login to kde as root |
| 15:42.36 | DeFirence | whys that? |
| 15:42.45 | mrjive | how come a disk is not hda or hdb but hdf? |
| 15:42.47 | Ronin | DeFirence: no need to long onto x as root |
| 15:42.54 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 15:42.57 | Xymic | http://www.xymic.eu.tt |
| 15:42.57 | DeFirence | but i wanna :P |
| 15:42.59 | Xymic | http://www.xymic.eu.tt |
| 15:43.01 | Xymic | http://www.xymic.eu.tt |
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| 15:43.19 | hipodilski | stew: I know thanks |
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| 15:48.21 | Bushmills | DeFirence: it is actually not a good idea to log into kde and such as root |
| 15:48.38 | DeFirence | i know lol |
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| 15:48.56 | DeFirence | ive been using opensuse and ubuntu for a long time now |
| 15:49.07 | maxamillion | DeFirence: i'm sorry |
| 15:49.08 | DeFirence | but for setting up software and testing etc its fine |
| 15:49.17 | Ronin | DeFirence: on the contrary |
| 15:49.55 | Bushmills | testing software as root?? *shudder* |
| 15:50.01 | DeFirence | lol |
| 15:50.51 | DeFirence | im testing in vmware |
| 15:50.55 | gonzaloaf | hi, when I run the '#make xconfig' command in order to make some modules, I receive this error http://pastebin.ca/746887 , how can I do to have access to the X with root? |
| 15:50.55 | SlayerXP | DeFirence: tell me, are you an AOL user by any chance? |
| 15:50.59 | Eustachy_Kapusta | tomek |
| 15:51.08 | DeFirence | if i fuk up the installation then ill redo it :P |
| 15:51.23 | DeFirence | lol, no SlayerXP, i live in South Africa |
| 15:51.24 | Bushmills | and - after having used ubuntu and opensuse for "a long time", you never explored and found a way to set up software or test without logging as root into your whole desktop? |
| 15:51.36 | DeFirence | and im quite happy here with my adsl tree and all |
| 15:51.37 | DeFirence | :P |
| 15:51.51 | stew | gonzaloaf: you sholdn't compile stuff as root |
| 15:51.58 | SlayerXP | DeFirence: so you know "lol" is not a replacement for a capital letter at the start of a sentence, nor is it a replacement for a full stop at the end. |
| 15:52.07 | stew | gonzaloaf: make your user own then entire source tree, then run make xconfig as your user |
| 15:52.07 | gonzaloaf | stew, ok |
| 15:52.43 | waltz | hi, I just logged into a fresh install; are there any good pointers for chrooting Lenny? |
| 15:52.48 | waltz | (I'm in Etch) |
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| 15:53.26 | gonzaloaf | stew, you mean /usr/src ? shouldn't just root the owner of this directory? |
| 15:53.42 | waltz | damnit I seem to have lost the URI that I was thinking of :( |
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| 15:54.07 | stew | gonzaloaf: add yourself to the src group and make sure the src group owns all the files in there. but you shouldn't ever compile stuff as root. makefiles are too prone to bugs |
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| 15:54.27 | gonzaloaf | stew, ohh ok |
| 15:54.28 | stew | one missed --prefix= and you are suddenly writing over your /usr directory mistakenly |
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| 15:55.02 | Eustachy_Kapusta | tomek |
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| 15:57.08 | waltz | hallo? |
| 15:57.15 | DeFirence | whats the easiest way to install an rpm in debian |
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| 15:57.33 | DeFirence | cause kpackage doesnt seem to work properly |
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| 15:57.54 | pif | "debootstrap --arch x86_64 sid /mnt/test" gives this error: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-x86_64/Packages |
| 15:58.06 | Ronin | !rpm |
| 15:58.06 | dpkg | rpm is probably Red Hat's Package Manager, and the file format for its packages. alien can convert a .rpm package to a .deb. converts to a <cpio> archive via the rpm2cpio command (in the rpm debian package) |
| 15:58.08 | pif | is there a specific mirror for x86_64? |
| 15:58.30 | Ronin | although i dont know why you wouldn't use somethign like aptitude or apt-get |
| 15:58.54 | stew | pif: just about every mirror should carry it, but its referred to as "amd64": http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 15:59.30 | waltz | hello? |
| 15:59.55 | Ronin | we see you waltz |
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| 16:00.04 | pif | but I am using a xeon |
| 16:00.06 | waltz | I just logged into a fresh install of Debian 4.0 r1 "Etch"; are there any good docs for chrooting Lenny? |
| 16:00.09 | pif | will this be problem? |
| 16:00.29 | waltz | Ronin: can you possibly help me? |
| 16:01.07 | stew | pif: no, a xeon is a amd64 |
| 16:01.13 | DeFirence | has anyone here installed vmware tools in debian before? and if so, which method did u use? |
| 16:01.24 | pif | stew: oki |
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| 16:02.40 | waseem57 | who is bot here? |
| 16:03.14 | waltz | wow, apparently there is lack of good help here |
| 16:03.22 | gonzaloaf | stew, I cant also run 'make-kpkg clean' as a single user, even if it is member of the src group |
| 16:04.06 | gonzaloaf | stew, http://pastebin.ca/746907 |
| 16:04.32 | Ronin | waltz: learn patience |
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| 16:04.39 | asdzxc | hi |
| 16:04.43 | asdzxc | how can i test the surface of the disk ? |
| 16:04.46 | tls_81 | waltz: everyone here is a volounteer, if no one feels like helping ya those kind of comments arent great... |
| 16:04.50 | asdzxc | i need to check if there's any bad sectors |
| 16:05.04 | asdzxc | but i can't umount the partition |
| 16:05.25 | pif | asdzxc : badblocks |
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| 16:05.32 | waltz | so I already found the docs |
| 16:05.36 | waltz | thanks anyway |
| 16:06.02 | Atalanta | your welcome |
| 16:06.11 | DeFirence | i take it no one has? |
| 16:06.59 | stew | gonzaloaf: do you see "src" when you run "groups"? |
| 16:07.15 | asdzxc | pif thx |
| 16:07.27 | gonzaloaf | stew, yes |
| 16:07.48 | gonzaloaf | stew, gonzalo lp dialout cdrom floppy audio www-data src video plugdev powerdev powerdev fuse |
| 16:08.10 | mrjive | does anyone know if a disk can be named hdf instead of the usual hda hdb hdc hdd ? |
| 16:08.22 | mrjive | and why ... ? |
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| 16:09.56 | gonzaloaf | mrjive, hdf? in that case you have 6 IDE controllers? |
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| 16:10.27 | gonzaloaf | mrjive, I think impossible |
| 16:10.29 | mrjive | gonzaloaf I don't know, it's not my pc, but a friend of mine |
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| 16:10.50 | mrjive | he is asking for help and he says he has hdf1 and hdf2 |
| 16:10.56 | Atalanta | guys, whats some cool things about debian thats better than Ubuntu? |
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| 16:11.24 | mrjive | gonzaloaf i'm surprised as you... |
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| 16:12.12 | asdzxc | pif will badblocks print to stdout which sectors are bad ? |
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| 16:13.22 | DeFirence | !gcc |
| 16:13.22 | dpkg | the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever" |
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| 16:13.53 | DeFirence | omg, why is debian so hard :o |
| 16:14.13 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf, no need to have 6 *controllers* for hdf |
| 16:14.32 | mrjive | Bushmills can you explain that? |
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| 16:14.54 | waseem57 | !bot |
| 16:14.54 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:15.03 | Bushmills | mrjive: removable media, such as usb sticks, may be called hde, hdf and so on |
| 16:15.18 | gonzaloaf | Bushmills, isnt the 3rd letter that? hd=hard disk ide, a,b,c,d,f=ide controller, the same for scsi=sd, a,b,c |
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| 16:15.41 | mrjive | Bushmills my friend says it a hard disk... |
| 16:15.47 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf, with 2 controllers you can have hda ... hdd |
| 16:15.56 | pif | asdzxc : yep |
| 16:16.08 | mrjive | Bushmills and why not sda? |
| 16:16.08 | pif | anyone familiar with apt-cross ? |
| 16:16.08 | Bushmills | mrjive: try fdisk -l , see what it shows |
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| 16:16.35 | pif | I am trying to compile an amd64 kernel on a i386 machine |
| 16:17.09 | mrjive | Bushmills thanks |
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| 16:17.46 | maxamillion | pif: thats interesting ... why might you be doing that? |
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| 16:17.54 | DeFirence | can anyone help me install gcc and linux headers on debian Please |
| 16:18.13 | cahoot | aptitude can |
| 16:18.14 | gonzaloaf | Bushmills, hda and hdd?, and what happened with b and c? |
| 16:18.28 | mrjive | DeFirence apt-get install gcc linux-headers-`uname -r` is not working? |
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| 16:18.40 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf, like, hda and hdb on controller1 |
| 16:18.44 | cahoot | !b-e |
| 16:18.45 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 16:18.47 | Bushmills | hdc and hdd on controller2 |
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| 16:19.00 | maxamillion | DeFirence: you might want to install the meta package 'build-essential' also |
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| 16:19.16 | DeFirence | mrjive: ill try again quick and tell u the error i get... |
| 16:19.23 | mrjive | ok |
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| 16:19.54 | Bushmills | gonzaloaf, one additional controller would do |
| 16:19.56 | gonzaloaf | Bushmills, I see, yes I was wrong one controller has hda and hdb, so in the hdf case mrjive's friend must have at least 3 IDE controllers which I find impossible |
| 16:20.21 | gonzaloaf | Bushmills, I've just seen computers with 2 integrated ide controllers |
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| 16:20.34 | pif | maxamillion : the amd64 machine is a new install of a live CD |
| 16:20.42 | DeFirence | mrjive, please join #flood |
| 16:20.50 | maxamillion | pif: ah |
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| 16:21.39 | waltz | hi, how do I chroot lenny? |
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| 16:22.14 | Bushmills | waltz: chroot /mountpoint_of_lenny |
| 16:22.17 | waltz | when I do "cdebootstrap lenny /lenny http://ftp.debian.org/debian" it returns "E: Unknown suite lenny" |
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| 16:22.50 | waltz | Bushmills: I'm actually following the instructions in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot-debian |
| 16:23.22 | Bushmills | waltz, look where lenny has been mounted (df or mount, maybe), then chroot to that mountpoint |
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| 16:23.44 | waltz | but uh, lenny hasn't been mounted |
| 16:23.46 | Bushmills | waltz: if it hasn't been mounted, mount it yourself |
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| 16:23.57 | waltz | ? |
| 16:24.06 | mrbnet | Where can I obtain a list of compatible scsi controllers for etch? I have a sunfire V65x with an AIC7902 controller |
| 16:24.14 | waltz | I'm following those instructions, Bushmills |
| 16:24.17 | Bushmills | waltz, mount /dev/your_lenny_install_device /lenny_mountpont |
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| 16:24.57 | waltz | Bushmills: so, /dev/cdrom0 in my case? |
| 16:25.18 | Bushmills | waltz: i don't know about your case. |
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| 16:25.28 | waltz | when I do "cdebootstrap lenny /lenny http://ftp.debian.org/debian" it returns "E: Unknown suite lenny" <- my case |
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| 16:26.30 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 16:26.30 | dpkg | well, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
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| 16:27.04 | waseem57 | !you |
| 16:27.04 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
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| 16:27.42 | Hoxzer | !me |
| 16:27.46 | Hoxzer | :( |
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| 16:28.32 | Bushmills | why has apple juice a higher likeliness to cause diarrhea than orange juice, while pectin (from apples) is used to thicken jam?? |
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| 16:29.25 | rmaj | Bushmills: sense. your statement makes none |
| 16:30.11 | simonrvn | Bushmills: wikipedia |
| 16:30.19 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 16:30.35 | Bushmills | i thought that the how-to was the wrong place to look |
| 16:30.42 | waseem57 | Bushmills: maybe pectin doesn't cause diarrhea. |
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| 16:36.12 | DeFirence_Debian | !gcc install |
| 16:36.48 | Atalanta | !gcc test.cpp |
| 16:36.50 | Atalanta | aww it dont work |
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| 16:36.55 | Atalanta | damn |
| 16:37.00 | stew | !b-e DeFirence_Debian |
| 16:37.00 | dpkg | DeFirence_Debian: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 16:37.19 | DeFirence_Debian | kk, ill try :) |
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| 16:39.10 | hans_ | what should i use for virtualization? busybox? xen? vmware? |
| 16:39.19 | DeFirence_Debian | vmware |
| 16:39.21 | DeFirence_Debian | :) |
| 16:39.29 | wols_ | busybox and virtualization? |
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| 16:39.36 | hans_ | am i getting my terms confused |
| 16:39.48 | hans_ | i want to run an instance of redhat on my debian box |
| 16:39.49 | wols_ | !busybox |
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| 16:41.12 | Diafic | does anyone have SSL deets for freenode? |
| 16:41.25 | hans_ | i dont think freenode does SSL |
| 16:41.30 | Diafic | D: |
| 16:41.37 | Diafic | Well that sucks |
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| 16:42.04 | hans_ | wouldn't want your chat about important open source free software to be encrypted |
| 16:42.31 | hans_ | if you're totally paranoid you could connect to it via tor and your irc traffic would be encrypted up until it leaves the tor node |
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| 16:43.09 | DeFirence_Debian | or u could just crank up the skazi and relax? :P |
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| 16:43.50 | Diafic | hans_, yes yes, I just like using SSL |
| 16:43.58 | lavamind | hello, using Debian Sid and Gnome 2.20, what file should I edit to have a service stopped when entering suspend |
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| 16:47.17 | lavamind | I know that the service ipw3945d prevents my Dell laptop from suspending, but I have no idea how I can configure GNOME to do it automatically |
| 16:47.21 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:47.43 | lavamind | if I do /etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop before suspending, it works |
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| 16:48.01 | Ace2016 | what does that service do? |
| 16:48.14 | mrbnet | does 4.0 r1 still come with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:48.25 | lavamind | it manages the ipw3945 intel wireless driver |
| 16:48.42 | wols_ | mrbnet: no |
| 16:48.42 | lavamind | version 1.2.2 |
| 16:48.49 | stew | mrbnet: no, 2.4 is not supported in 4.0 |
| 16:48.54 | Ace2016 | mrbnet: nope, its 2.6.18 |
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| 16:49.17 | Ace2016 | why do you what the old kernel> |
| 16:49.18 | Ace2016 | ? |
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| 16:50.30 | mrbnet | I need the latest kernel for my SCSI controller. The etch CD I have is old and won't recognise the RAID controller |
| 16:51.19 | cosmodad | Is there a way to revert changes between two package versions done by a maintainer when deb-src is available? Couldn't figure it out myself. |
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| 16:51.27 | Atalanta | guys, whats some cool things about Debian thats better than Ubuntu? |
| 16:52.13 | DeFirence | ok lol! could someone tell me where in debian kde u setup pppoe connections? |
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| 16:53.00 | keith4 | Atalanta: it's actually stable |
| 16:53.20 | stew | Atalanta: its completely free |
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| 16:53.25 | wols_ | DeFirence: has nothing to do with pppoe |
| 16:53.29 | wols_ | DeFirence: use pppoeconf |
| 16:53.32 | Atalanta | cool |
| 16:53.34 | keith4 | and needing-to-know-how-to-use-CLI keeps the real idiots using ubuntu |
| 16:53.35 | Atalanta | anymore? |
| 16:53.40 | stew | mrbnet: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 16:53.58 | keith4 | Atalanta: it's community maintained |
| 16:54.04 | DeFirence | wols_: what has nothing to do with pppoe? |
| 16:54.09 | wols_ | DeFirence: kde |
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| 16:54.24 | Atalanta | so its overall better than ubuntu? |
| 16:54.45 | DeFirence | so theres no gui utility in debian that u can use to setup pppoe connections? |
| 16:54.48 | wols_ | DeFirence: just fyi: adminning debian systems is rarely done in a GUI, be it kde or otherwise. not that an xtrem won't work, but it's not needed |
| 16:55.02 | wols_ | DeFirence: what is bad about pppoeconf? |
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| 16:55.23 | DeFirence | nothing, ill use it, i was just asking |
| 16:55.30 | wols_ | Atalanta: just think for a bit where you are.... |
| 16:55.33 | DeFirence | im used to using opensuse kde |
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| 16:55.37 | folkert | Hi I just installed MSTTCOREFONTS, but I do NOT want to USE it in FIREFOX. What to do |
| 16:55.44 | DeFirence | and theres gui utils for everything :) |
| 16:55.58 | keith4 | crutches! |
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| 16:56.22 | keith4 | wols_: they sit in front of them with a monitor and keyboard |
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| 16:56.51 | DeFirence | lol |
| 16:57.02 | Atalanta | is debian's .iso files both a desktop and a server by default? |
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| 16:57.18 | wols_ | Atalanta: there is no "server" or "desktop" version |
| 16:57.35 | Atalanta | i ask because i noticed that when i used netinst, it asks several server (file, dns, mail etc) and desktop as a first option |
| 16:57.39 | Atalanta | so its the same thing, right? |
| 16:58.11 | sandman | I was curious if there was some equivalent counterpart to Comodo Firewall in the repositories. |
| 16:58.28 | stew | sandman: what does Comodo Firewall do? |
| 16:58.38 | pettern | im still having problems with fglrx on debian. now it works but i just cant get hardware accelleration. Anyone got it working and can show me their xorg.conf file? |
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| 16:58.49 | Ace2016 | outgoing/ingoing firewall |
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| 16:59.01 | sandman | Yup. |
| 16:59.10 | pettern | debian testing with 2.6.18.4 |
| 16:59.16 | DeFirence | wols_: actually i use Nx |
| 16:59.20 | stew | sandman: the kernel has a firewall built in which you can admin with the iptables command |
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| 16:59.30 | stew | but I have a feeling that it's not going to be what you want |
| 16:59.35 | lavamind | yay I found the answer |
| 16:59.37 | sandman | If anything on the system attempts to do anything with networking, you get prompted. Even loopback connections, should you choose. It's quite a great firewall, you might do well to try it. Unfortunately, however, it is only available for Windows. |
| 16:59.40 | keith4 | try firehol |
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| 17:00.08 | wols_ | sandman: you won't need such a thing. not even in windows |
| 17:00.10 | |Fleckuciic| | hi all, can't install fglrx on unstable... needs another xorg version... ? |
| 17:00.12 | stew | keith4: does it prompt you for unknown traffic? |
| 17:00.17 | sandman | Well, the prompting is quite nice. Allows pseudo-automated editing of the firewall rules. |
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| 17:00.29 | lavamind | It's at http://live.gnome.org/GnomePowerManager/FAQ, and for debian the scripts are located in /usr/lib/hal/scripts/ |
| 17:00.30 | stew | sandman: i don't think any such thing exists for linux |
| 17:00.31 | wols_ | sandman: sorry to burst your bubble but software firewalls are useless. |
| 17:00.34 | lavamind | its a bit of a hack though |
| 17:00.36 | keith4 | stew: no idea |
| 17:00.52 | keith4 | oh, he's talking about a personal firewall |
| 17:00.55 | keith4 | how useless |
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| 17:01.01 | wols_ | utterly |
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| 17:01.10 | wols_ | well it provides entertainment. that's about it |
| 17:01.16 | sandman | Well, it also filters protocols, destination IPs, so on and so forth. |
| 17:01.24 | lavamind | |Fleckuciic|, new drivers from ATI are supposedly on the way ... |
| 17:01.28 | pettern | |Fleckuciic|, with testing i had to use an older kernel |
| 17:01.29 | sandman | It works quite well from my testing. |
| 17:01.32 | wols_ | sandman: untfortunately this is not true since it's easily circumvented |
| 17:01.34 | keith4 | sandman: all things that are built into linux |
| 17:01.46 | sandman | wols_: I'd like to see you circumvent it. |
| 17:01.52 | folkert | anyone? |
| 17:02.20 | keith4 | folkert: i got confused by your misuse of the shift key and stopped reading your question |
| 17:02.24 | sandman | But mostly I'd want to keep things from getting out, rather than in. |
| 17:02.34 | wols_ | sandman: easy. do a system hook DLL, and do the connection to outside under the IE process. done |
| 17:02.37 | lavamind | |Fleckuciic|, if youre using Sid, try radeonhd from experimental, works for me, but has no 3d |
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| 17:02.48 | sandman | wols_: IE is blocked. |
| 17:02.55 | wols_ | or use explorer.exe active X or one of the thousand other things |
| 17:02.57 | folkert | keith4: sorry, I just accented the keywords |
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| 17:03.01 | sandman | wols_: explorer.exe is blocked, also. |
| 17:03.10 | |Fleckuciic| | lavamind thanks :) i need 3d ;p :( |
| 17:03.13 | wols_ | sandman: not all programs are blocked... |
| 17:03.29 | wols_ | if not IE then you use firefox.exe or opera |
| 17:03.30 | sandman | Only a few aren't, and those are open-source applications which I feel comfortable with. |
| 17:03.36 | keith4 | if it's so great, go use windows and shutup |
| 17:03.45 | lavamind | |Fleckuciic|, then you have to wait for fglrx 8.42 from ATI |
| 17:04.03 | wols_ | sandman: it doesn't matter what the process space is the dll runs under |
| 17:04.04 | folkert | keith 4: special for you: Hi I just installed msttcorefonts, but I do not want to use it in firefox. What to do |
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| 17:04.08 | sandman | wols_: If an application attempts to use OLE automation like you're saying, Comodo automatically shuts off the internet connection of the related programs until you say otherwise. |
| 17:04.09 | |Fleckuciic| | lavamind thanks! :) |
| 17:04.13 | lavamind | |Fleckuciic|, and if you can, help with the new free software driver radeonhd |
| 17:04.13 | |Fleckuciic| | i will wait then... |
| 17:04.25 | wols_ | sandman: this is not OLE at all. |
| 17:04.36 | wols_ | this is a system hook used for things like hotkeys and the like |
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| 17:04.38 | sandman | wols_: Or if it attempts to modify the memory space of any other running program. |
| 17:04.52 | wols_ | that's bullshit. the it won't work anymore |
| 17:04.53 | sandman | wols_: Right. |
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| 17:05.06 | sandman | What won't work lol? |
| 17:05.14 | wols_ | your windows |
| 17:05.31 | Ronin | wols_: windows and works in the same sentence? ;) |
| 17:05.31 | BleSS | since install program in console, is possible install anything more before of that it is going to restarted? |
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| 17:05.41 | lavamind | |Fleckuciic|, check out phoronix.com, they have news about ATI drivers |
| 17:05.50 | wols_ | Ronin: of course it works. millions of malware proves that fact |
| 17:05.57 | Ronin | true |
| 17:05.58 | sandman | wols_: My windows installation works just fine and peachy. |
| 17:06.15 | wols_ | sandman: personal firewalls don't work. none of them. if they did we could all save millions on checkpoint and cisco gear |
| 17:06.21 | BleSS | any help? please |
| 17:06.22 | sandman | But every day there are thousands of attempts by software _on that system_ to use OLE automation and hooks to access the internet. |
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| 17:06.40 | wols_ | sandman: then you haev real problems |
| 17:06.44 | folkert | FastActionResponseTeam |
| 17:06.47 | wols_ | none which a fiewall fix |
| 17:06.55 | sandman | Which I have logged and mapped. All binaries and DLLs are md5'd and checked for consistency upon running. |
| 17:07.19 | sandman | wols_: A pristine installation will have attempts to reach the outside. That I'm not totally certain of, but for some reason there are. |
| 17:07.29 | wols_ | sandman: more bullshit. "MD5 checked" heh. what does a md5 check prove? |
| 17:07.33 | BleSS | since install program in console, is possible install anything more before of that it is going to restarted? |
| 17:07.52 | wols_ | BleSS: ask a sensible question please |
| 17:07.52 | sandman | If you install windows and tcpdump the network, you will discover even if you're not accessing the internet, Windows will attempt to send messages to obscure IP addresses. |
| 17:08.05 | wols_ | BleSS: debian never "restarts" after installation anything |
| 17:08.45 | sandman | wols_: It just helps to ensure that a DLL hasn't been modified. If it has, you are notified. Although I'm not positive it's an md5 checksum, I just assume that. It reads that it takes a "cryptographic signature" of files in question. |
| 17:09.05 | wols_ | sandman: if you have to protect against your very OS for accessing "obscure internet addresses" you have already lost. you can't protect against your OS no matter how much more shitty software you install |
| 17:09.07 | sandman | bless: Unless you upgrade a kernel. You don't have to restart, but to use it you'd have to. |
| 17:09.09 | BleSS | wols_: I'm speaking about cd to install debian |
| 17:09.11 | wols_ | cause, it's the OS you know? |
| 17:09.35 | BleSS | about the program to install it in te HD |
| 17:09.44 | wols_ | BleSS: press ctrl+alt+f2. gives you a prompt you can do stuff there |
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| 17:10.34 | sandman | wols_: Well, at any rate, it is a very useful local firewall. I've tested it, and I'm quite satisfied. I was just wondering if there was something like that available for Linux. I guess not :/ |
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| 17:10.46 | waltz | hey you know what's funny? I used up all the free space in / and I cannot resize /, lolol |
| 17:10.55 | Ronin | naw, we tend not to have useless apps |
| 17:11.01 | waltz | so now I cannot install Lenny, HAHA |
| 17:11.04 | wols_ | lies! |
| 17:11.07 | sandman | I like K3B quite a bit. |
| 17:11.18 | cosmodad | is it possible to precisely revert the changes done in a source package's debian/ dir if I possess the latest source package only? |
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| 17:11.34 | Ronin | wols_: point taken |
| 17:12.03 | Ronin | how about ones that provide a false sense of security then? |
| 17:12.08 | wols_ | Ronin: but linux tries to reduce at least the app giving your a less secure system :) |
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| 17:12.55 | sandman | Could you name a piece of software that would work around this firewall, then? |
| 17:13.01 | waltz | Ronin: would you be able to help me in privmsg please? |
| 17:13.16 | wols_ | sandman: about a gazillion worms out there like Storm |
| 17:13.23 | sandman | Alright |
| 17:13.45 | sandman | Just FYI: Wouldn't Clam AV take care of that |
| 17:14.02 | BleSS | wols_: ok,thx |
| 17:15.20 | waltz | Ronin: ? |
| 17:15.31 | waltz | does everyone have me on ignore or something? |
| 17:15.35 | wols_ | sandman: take care of what? |
| 17:15.47 | sandman | Storm Worm |
| 17:15.58 | sandman | It's a backdoor, but Clamwin detects that... |
| 17:16.06 | wols_ | sandman: of course it would. that's why no one out there is infected |
| 17:16.10 | wols_ | AV is more snakeoil |
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| 17:16.25 | wols_ | it's not a "backdoor". it's a worm |
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| 17:17.20 | sandman | Okay, then you're referring to the IIS worm from back in 2001? |
| 17:17.36 | sandman | For which all related software has been patched for about 6 years now? |
| 17:17.54 | wols_ | sandman: is it sunday at your location? |
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| 17:18.19 | sandman | wols_: What do you think? |
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| 17:18.34 | wols_ | I think it's not sunday at my place os obviously it must be at yours |
| 17:18.38 | stew | wols_: stop |
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| 17:18.48 | wols_ | otherwise some calnedaring is really fscked up |
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| 17:19.08 | sandman | wols_: I'm not following you. |
| 17:19.37 | stew | sandman: ignore him. he's not trying to helpful |
| 17:19.58 | sandman | Alright. |
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| 17:23.58 | fyrestrtr | ah -- feels good to be back in linux-ville :) |
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| 17:25.34 | helo | what do i need to do so that i can mount an nfs-kernel-server share that i've added to /etc/exports? i can ssh into and ping the box, and mount the nfs share (locally), but not remotely... |
| 17:25.50 | helo | just says RPC timed out |
| 17:25.56 | helo | or something like that |
| 17:27.13 | stew | helo: run "netsttat -plnt | grep 111" is portmap listening to 127.0.0.1:111 or 0.0.0.0:111 (or something else?) |
| 17:27.18 | Bushmills | helo, mount -t nfs server://export mountpoint |
| 17:27.18 | stew | helo: err "netstat" |
| 17:28.55 | fyrestrtr | is anyone else having problems connecting with ftp.debian.org ? |
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| 17:29.11 | shadey_ | working fine here |
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| 17:29.38 | helo | its listening on 0.0.0.0 |
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| 17:30.37 | stew | helo: from the client, run "rpcinfo -p servername", does "nfs" appear anywahere? |
| 17:31.06 | fyrestrtr | is there a flag to apt-get that will install the 'recommended' packages? |
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| 17:33.19 | wols_ | fyrestrtr: maybe in the new improved sid apt? |
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| 17:39.06 | Atalanta | overall, is Debian the best linux distro in all your opinions? |
| 17:39.18 | bsmntbombdood | that's probably why we use it |
| 17:39.32 | brainsqueezer | hi got problems weith some brokon package installs. Package dous't allow to remove, neither apt-get -f install. any idea? |
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| 17:39.38 | abrotman | Atalanta: you're asking #debian .. |
| 17:40.04 | Atalanta | yeah but some people say "well its good for some things, but $(distro) is better for others," etc |
| 17:40.17 | Atalanta | (other things) |
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| 17:41.00 | Atalanta | btw i was wondering, what happens if you deselect all the checkboxes when doing install, including and especially Standard System, then what gets installed? |
| 17:41.28 | abrotman | Atalanta: a basic system .. that's what i do all the time |
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| 17:42.57 | brainsqueezer- | plase somebody could answer? this is non-working |
| 17:42.59 | Atalanta | but what does that last option of Standard System include? |
| 17:43.03 | fyrestrtr | can someone tell me the current UTC time? |
| 17:43.09 | Atalanta | fyrestrtr: sure |
| 17:43.18 | Atalanta | Clock5:43 PM Tuesday (GMT) - Time in GMT |
| 17:43.24 | Atalanta | oh wait |
| 17:43.25 | Atalanta | wtf |
| 17:43.30 | fyrestrtr | UTC please :) |
| 17:43.46 | Atalanta | yeah lemme load up xcode |
| 17:44.01 | stew | Tue Oct 23 17:44:01 UTC 2007 |
| 17:44.25 | fyrestrtr | thanks |
| 17:45.01 | Atalanta | 1193161486.456734 |
| 17:45.08 | Atalanta | does that help |
| 17:45.09 | Atalanta | ? |
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| 17:45.59 | fyrestrtr | thanks, but I got it. I couldn't figure out how to set the current time in the debian installer (the last zone it gave me was 'Samoa') so I had to set it manually with tzselect |
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| 17:48.53 | fyrestrtr | stew: I still don't know how to set a time other than the zones for America and 'Samoa'. |
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| 17:49.30 | fyrestrtr | stew: in the installer. |
| 17:49.33 | stew | fyrestrtr: tzselect doens't actually set /etc/timezone, use tzconfig |
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| 17:49.44 | stew | i don't know about the installer |
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| 17:50.24 | JonkoPa | can someone reach http://arvind.gotdns.org |
| 17:50.38 | Atalanta | !CLI |
| 17:50.39 | dpkg | cli is probably a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 17:50.50 | abrotman | Atalanta: /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:50.51 | petemc | JonkoPa: no |
| 17:51.24 | JonkoPa | petemc, http://86.94.137.155 ? |
| 17:51.35 | petemc | yes |
| 17:51.42 | JonkoPa | what did you see? |
| 17:51.46 | petemc | it works |
| 17:51.49 | JonkoPa | thnx |
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| 17:53.23 | Atalanta | anyone here try MacOSX? |
| 17:53.25 | rocketmagnet | hi, what's a command cd to mp3 converter tool for debian |
| 17:53.34 | abrotman | Atalanta: #macosx |
| 17:53.42 | azeem | rocketmagnet: abcde, jack |
| 17:54.15 | Atalanta | im just tryng to get your comparisons and opinions of debian and macosx |
| 17:54.15 | wols_ | rocketmagnet: grip |
| 17:54.20 | rocketmagnet | ty =) |
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| 17:54.32 | wols_ | Atalanta: you won't |
| 17:54.42 | Atalanta | why |
| 17:54.54 | helo | grip is pretty decent |
| 17:55.03 | wols_ | Atalanta: are you going to the vatican too and ask "what is better, catholicism or sunni islam"? |
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| 17:55.36 | Atalanta | well thats obvious, catholicism is better |
| 17:55.41 | console_jockey | I'm curious: is there a way to thottle the bandwidth used during an apt-get? I am on a network with limited resouces and I'd like to update/install packages while having the least impact on the network. At present my apt-get pulls at "full-throttle" and I would like to know if I can reduce the bandwidth it will take. |
| 17:56.00 | xand | !qos |
| 17:56.00 | dpkg | from memory, qos is Quality of Service, a way of prioritizing IP traffic, or see DiffServ, or see Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO at http://lartc.org |
| 17:56.01 | wols_ | equally obvious is debian is better than anything else, even catholicism. do you now see why asking here is stupid? |
| 17:56.13 | helo | osx is pretty much what debian would be if it was tailored to desktop users |
| 17:56.26 | petemc | console_jockey: trickle |
| 17:56.31 | techouse | how do i mount a floppy? when i insert it and ho to media/fd0 it says it can't determine the filesystem |
| 17:56.41 | wols_ | techouse: -t vfat |
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| 17:56.53 | abrotman | though -t auto should be the default and work |
| 17:56.54 | fyrestrtr | techouse: -t auto should work |
| 17:57.07 | mutilator | does anyone know how to bring up an interface via /etc/network/interfaces w/o configuring it? i just need it to be up |
| 17:57.11 | abrotman | console_jockey: trickle |
| 17:57.13 | techouse | well....oky...but outside of konsole? |
| 17:57.28 | abrotman | that's why -t auto hsould be the default |
| 17:57.31 | Atalanta | helo: i thought that was Ubuntu |
| 17:57.35 | fyrestrtr | mutilator: manually configure it via ifconfig |
| 17:57.39 | Atalanta | =P |
| 17:57.43 | mutilator | heh |
| 17:57.57 | mutilator | well thats almost what i need |
| 17:58.02 | wols_ | mutilator: if you use /etc/network/interfaces you configure it in a way. no way around that |
| 17:58.09 | mutilator | except for the part were its using interfaces |
| 17:58.13 | fyrestrtr | mutilator: you want to have it 'active' without configuring it? |
| 17:58.17 | mutilator | yes |
| 17:58.22 | fyrestrtr | define 'active' |
| 17:58.27 | wols_ | then use ifconfig as fyrestrtr said |
| 17:58.32 | mutilator | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 17:58.42 | wols_ | if you know it already, why don't you do it? |
| 17:58.50 | console_jockey | abrotman: thank you. I'm looking into trickle now. |
| 17:58.55 | waltz | can someone please help me? |
| 17:58.56 | mutilator | because i want to do it via that file... |
| 17:58.56 | wols_ | !tell waltz about ask |
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| 17:59.02 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 17:59.03 | wols_ | !wayttd mutilator |
| 17:59.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mutilator? |
| 17:59.23 | mutilator | exactly what i stated, bring the interface up without putting an ip on it |
| 17:59.25 | fyrestrtr | mutilator: just put 'auto eth0' in the file. |
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| 17:59.44 | mutilator | fyrestrtr: as the man page states, yes, it doesnt come up |
| 17:59.56 | stew | mutilator: why do you care if it is up? |
| 18:00.00 | wols_ | mutilator: why do you not want assign an IP? |
| 18:00.04 | mutilator | vmware needs it up |
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| 18:00.09 | mutilator | and i dont want an ip on it |
| 18:00.31 | fyrestrtr | seems you should fiddle with vmware then. |
| 18:01.15 | mutilator | so ya dont know of a way with interfaces then |
| 18:01.19 | mutilator | arr |
| 18:01.23 | fyrestrtr | is there a quick way to know if a package is a 'meta package'? |
| 18:01.32 | waltz | wols_: I alraedy asked, a few times |
| 18:01.35 | waltz | nobody is helping me |
| 18:01.40 | abrotman | fyrestrtr: the size isn't a horrible indicator |
| 18:01.43 | waltz | already* |
| 18:01.55 | abrotman | !info xorg etch |
| 18:01.55 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 18:02.02 | fyrestrtr | installed size: 44kB ?? |
| 18:02.22 | abrotman | fyrestrtr: i can't recall .. but aptitude might also have a metapackage section |
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| 18:02.28 | waltz | wols_: I just logged into a fresh install of Debian 4.0 r1 "Etch", and I almost set up "Lenny" in a chroot, when I ran out of space on / |
| 18:02.39 | waltz | 259MB/259MB used :( |
| 18:02.42 | abrotman | fyrestrtr: or apt-cache search metapackage |
| 18:02.50 | waltz | during the installation I can't increase/resize / either |
| 18:02.58 | waltz | so, um, I assume I have two options: 1) increasize /, or 2) install under a new directory |
| 18:03.04 | waltz | wols_: okay, I asked |
| 18:03.12 | waltz | wols_: now, might someone help me please? |
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| 18:03.28 | brainsqueezer- | anybody could how to manually remove a package? |
| 18:03.40 | abrotman | brainsqueezer-: why doesn't apt-get or aptitude work ? |
| 18:03.40 | wols_ | brainsqueezer-: define "manually" |
| 18:03.43 | stew | brainsqueezer-: aptitude remove package name |
| 18:03.49 | fyrestrtr | waltz: so you want to do what exactly? |
| 18:04.06 | kernel-kris | anyone useing Quagga/Zebra BGPd |
| 18:04.06 | waltz | I am not sure, what *can* I do? |
| 18:04.15 | stew | waltz: you are corerct, those are you two options |
| 18:04.16 | brainsqueezer- | because package is broken so tell me to do -f install and that also fails |
| 18:04.23 | brainsqueezer- | also purge fails |
| 18:04.25 | stew | brainsqueezer-: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 18:04.43 | waltz | stew: heh, okay. great. so which is the recommended? is resizing actually possible? |
| 18:04.46 | stew | waltz: well you wouldn't need to reinstall, you could move to a different partition |
| 18:04.46 | brainsqueezer- | cannot capy |
| 18:04.46 | fyrestrtr | waltz: so you want to have lenny and etch? |
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| 18:04.51 | JonkoPa | does http://arvind.gotdns.org work? |
| 18:04.57 | waltz | fyrestrtr: yep |
| 18:05.12 | stew | waltz: yes, resizing is possible. i don't know that one thing would be recommended over another other than definately make a backup |
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| 18:05.31 | waltz | hmm |
| 18:05.32 | fyrestrtr | waltz: I would just re-install from scratch, and create separate partitions for both. |
| 18:05.51 | waltz | fyrestrtr: okay I'll try that |
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| 18:06.04 | fyrestrtr | waltz: or if you have a separate hard disk, use that. |
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| 18:06.16 | fyrestrtr | but why you would want both etch and lenny? |
| 18:06.20 | waltz | how much space would you say, on average, to leave for a root partition? |
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| 18:06.32 | waltz | fyrestrtr: so I can have two working environments |
| 18:06.43 | fyrestrtr | waltz: seems easier to use virtualization. |
| 18:06.43 | waltz | etch is for stable things, lenny is testing |
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| 18:07.17 | waltz | stew: any refs/docs/pointers on resizing btw? |
| 18:07.29 | mrtelephone | I did a dd if=device of=device count=1 bs=512 and all I get when I bootup is GRUB and then the system stalls |
| 18:07.33 | mrtelephone | is there a fix for this? |
| 18:07.41 | fyrestrtr | waltz: fwiw, 10 gigs is plenty for / (assuming separate /home and /swap) |
| 18:07.59 | waltz | heh okay |
| 18:08.09 | waltz | I believe I had 259MB :P |
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| 18:08.22 | fyrestrtr | waltz: if you just need a basic system system and few userland tools, then its less. |
| 18:08.24 | abrotman | fyrestrtr: also .. debtags |
| 18:09.23 | abrotman | fyrestrtr: debtags search role::metapackage |
| 18:11.28 | brainsqueezer- | http://pastebin.ca/747018 http://pastebin.ca/747017 |
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| 18:11.42 | brainsqueezer- | that's the output |
| 18:12.22 | abrotman | did you try apt-get -f install ? |
| 18:12.47 | brainsqueezer- | thot's second output |
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| 18:13.02 | abrotman | !tell brainsqueezer- about overwrite |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | !tell debiano about root |
| 18:13.15 | stew | waltz: is the volume part of lvm? or is it a real partition? |
| 18:13.25 | techouse | how do i mount my webcam in debian? |
| 18:13.46 | waltz | real partition |
| 18:13.47 | waltz | also |
| 18:13.51 | waltz | "The resize operationg is impossible" "Because of an unknown reason it is impossible to resize this partition" |
| 18:13.54 | waltz | (in installer now) |
| 18:14.08 | waltz | and a big red screen |
| 18:14.12 | stew | waltz: oh, you are reinstalling? |
| 18:14.13 | brainsqueezer- | abrotman: it's a kde4 package -> not released yet |
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| 18:14.21 | fyrestrtr | waltz: did you manually partition it earlier? |
| 18:14.22 | abrotman | brainsqueezer-: and? |
| 18:14.23 | waltz | stew: trying to |
| 18:14.26 | wols_ | waltz: is the partition you want to resize mounted anywhere? |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | brainsqueezer-: try it |
| 18:14.27 | waltz | fyrestrtr: nope |
| 18:14.31 | waltz | wols_: nope |
| 18:14.44 | brainsqueezer- | there are plenty of these bugs |
| 18:14.57 | fyrestrtr | waltz: do you see any errors when you do fdisk -l /dev/device ? |
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| 18:15.24 | waltz | fyrestrtr: nope |
| 18:15.29 | abrotman | brainsqueezer-: then stop using alpha quality software |
| 18:15.37 | brainsqueezer- | so anybody knows a solution? in forums nobody answers |
| 18:15.57 | fyrestrtr | waltz: my guess would be because the partition is so full, it might be the reason why it is not able to resize it. |
| 18:16.04 | brainsqueezer- | abrotman: also ger something similar with an stable package |
| 18:16.04 | abrotman | brainsqueezer-: i just told you how |
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| 18:16.17 | waltz | I'm in the installer menu now, fyrestrtr |
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| 18:16.35 | pipeline | I have legacy devices that only speak telnet. How can I expose them with sshd? |
| 18:16.40 | fyrestrtr | waltz: do you have a backup? just delete and start from scratch. |
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| 18:16.49 | pipeline | For regulatory reasons I can't just log into the server and use port forwarding :( |
| 18:17.01 | waltz | I'm using a SATA->IDE bridge for the hard drive, and it's on a UltraATA 100 bus, not sure of that matters |
| 18:17.19 | waltz | fyrestrtr: I am *trying* to start from scratch, it's not letting me resize |
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| 18:17.38 | fyrestrtr | waltz: start from scratch = delete partitions |
| 18:17.52 | mrtelephone | anyone know to fix grub :( |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | pipeline: punchcards! |
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| 18:19.02 | brainsqueezer- | umm abrotman yos sorry |
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| 18:20.19 | guillaume | Is it possible to start an xp on an external usb disk from grub menu ? |
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| 18:21.08 | waltz | alright, thanks fyrestrtr, wols_, and stew |
| 18:21.19 | waltz | appreciate the help |
| 18:21.29 | alaya | guillaume: grub can start anything |
| 18:21.32 | waltz | btw, you think I should create a separate partition for lenny? |
| 18:21.38 | fyrestrtr | waltz: if you want my opinion, install etch, and install lenny in a virtual machine. |
| 18:21.57 | waltz | fyrestrtr: that's what I'm doing, -vm +chroot |
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| 18:22.11 | alaya | guillaume: oh wait, not sure. maybe just via bios option to boot the media |
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| 18:22.46 | null_ | Hello, what is the way to conver ogg theora to avi or mpeg? |
| 18:22.47 | fyrestrtr | ... |
| 18:22.59 | fyrestrtr | guillaume: ##windows |
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| 18:29.55 | acidchild | spa:~# mkfs -t vfat -v /dev/sda |
| 18:29.55 | acidchild | mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory |
| 18:30.07 | acidchild | do i need some package? |
| 18:30.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:30.30 | abrotman | !find mkfs.vfat etch |
| 18:30.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 18:30.40 | abrotman | !tell acidchild about search |
| 18:30.45 | acidchild | k |
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| 18:35.16 | fyrestrtr | huh ... apt-get install xfce4 doesn't install xserver? |
| 18:35.31 | wols_ | of course not |
| 18:35.41 | ben_goodger | it's not technically a dependency, I suppose |
| 18:35.42 | abrotman | fyrestrtr: remote X |
| 18:35.43 | wols_ | it won't install an x server for any X client you install |
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| 18:36.53 | ypSami | hello |
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| 18:37.00 | ypSami | I'm following this tutorial on setting up debian etch: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5. I'm at the step for generating an openssl certificate for TLS. I'm wondering: What is this certificate used for, and does it require a password? |
| 18:37.18 | Sebboh | How do I mark my filesystem as dirty so that it will be checked on next reboot? |
| 18:37.22 | Sebboh | ext3 |
| 18:37.29 | wols_ | Sebboh: touch /forcefsck |
| 18:37.51 | fyrestrtr | ypSami: its to enable secured communication channel between your debian install and a client (like, for connecting to your email server) |
| 18:37.56 | acidchild | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/747049 |
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| 18:38.01 | acidchild | what is that? |
| 18:38.21 | fyrestrtr | ypSami: it does not require a password |
| 18:38.28 | enouf | Sebboh: also shutdown -rF now |
| 18:38.30 | ypSami | fyrestrtr: So if I set a password for this certificate, each owner of the private key would then need that password as well |
| 18:38.45 | abrotman | acidchild: ascii text adventure ? |
| 18:38.50 | enouf | er Sebboh but note .. but that'll reboot you NOW! |
| 18:38.58 | acidchild | abrotman: Err... right O_O |
| 18:39.08 | ypSami | thanks fyrestrtr |
| 18:39.18 | abrotman | acidchild: i hope that's not your data |
| 18:39.21 | acidchild | I think my camera just owned the filesystem, i see the word "kodak.com" in there. |
| 18:39.22 | fyrestrtr | ypSami: you don't share private keys -- that's why they are called 'private'. |
| 18:39.24 | Sebboh | thanks wols_, enouf. |
| 18:39.35 | acidchild | abrotman: for sure it is :), i just cleared the card off, and took a few pix to test. |
| 18:39.38 | acidchild | no harm done. |
| 18:39.58 | abrotman | did you format it ? |
| 18:40.02 | acidchild | yep... |
| 18:40.08 | abrotman | in linuxo r windows ? |
| 18:40.08 | ypSami | fyrestrtr: I want a single key file to be given out to my staff in my office, so they can send secure email |
| 18:40.12 | acidchild | i was useing it as a boot device to install debian before. |
| 18:40.14 | acidchild | linux. |
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| 18:40.45 | abrotman | how did you format it in linux ? |
| 18:40.50 | ypSami | Is it a better idea to generate a unique key for each person in my office? |
| 18:41.07 | acidchild | cfdisk a partition then mkfs.vfat |
| 18:41.35 | fyrestrtr | ypSami: install a security certificate at your email server (using openssl and generating a self-signed cert or getting one from a CA like Thawte or freecrt) and then instruct your users to enable SSL encryption in their clients (this should also change the default ports for each service on their client -- you will need to make sure any firewall allows access to those ports). |
| 18:41.36 | acidchild | the camera can read it fine O_o |
| 18:41.55 | abrotman | acidchild: maybe format it from the camera ? |
| 18:42.05 | ypSami | fyrestrtr: Ah, nice. I thought they'd need to setup an ssh agent on their clients. |
| 18:42.15 | acidchild | looking atm actuly |
| 18:42.33 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 18:42.52 | fyrestrtr | ypSami: this will encrypt communications between your clients and your server. The actual emails themselves are not encrypted, just a channel. To encrypt emails, you need to install a cert on the email client. You can get a free email cert from thawte.com |
| 18:43.00 | Seb | can someone msg me in this channel ? I'm testing something irssi-related |
| 18:43.26 | abrotman | Seb: /msg dpkg foo |
| 18:43.26 | Seb | heh, nah *in* the channel ;) |
| 18:43.31 | Seb | k, perfect |
| 18:43.34 | Seb | thanks a lot people |
| 18:43.45 | acidchild | np. |
| 18:44.01 | Seb | abrotman: i meant "Seb: foo", but you did just that, so thanks :) |
| 18:44.07 | abrotman | oh .. gotcha |
| 18:44.15 | abrotman | seb: that's call highlight .. not msg :) |
| 18:44.20 | Seb | ah true |
| 18:44.26 | Seb | me and terminology heh |
| 18:44.30 | fyrestrtr | Seb: ding! |
| 18:44.52 | Seb | if only irssi could be scripted in python or ruby i'd feel right at home, but oh well :> |
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| 18:45.05 | evadave | butbut |
| 18:45.08 | evadave | Perl is love! |
| 18:45.15 | acidchild | Seb: yeah i rm'ed a script the other day i got well over with |
| 18:45.23 | acidchild | wrote it again, worked that time :P |
| 18:45.45 | Seb | evadave: is perl is love, it's something kinda gross |
| 18:45.57 | acidchild | abrotman: that worked formating from the card. |
| 18:46.03 | abrotman | camera |
| 18:46.04 | acidchild | camera* |
| 18:46.07 | acidchild | ;p |
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| 18:46.19 | abrotman | acidchild: ah well .. good enuogh |
| 18:46.49 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:48.22 | acidchild | abrotman: http://www.blackcore.net/~ash/100_0361.jpg :) |
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| 18:48.44 | acidchild | my new baby ;D |
| 18:48.57 | abrotman | acidchild: at least put the bong away before taking pictures |
| 18:48.58 | Seb | let's see now :> |
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| 18:49.08 | acidchild | abrotman: i wasn't intending on posting it ;/ |
| 18:49.16 | abrotman | erm .. bongs :) |
| 18:49.18 | Seb | oh i missed out huh |
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| 18:49.23 | Seb | hahahahahah |
| 18:49.31 | abrotman | and empty the ashtray .. jesus |
| 18:49.40 | abrotman | acidchild: and put your knitting away! |
| 18:49.47 | acidchild | :D |
| 18:49.49 | acidchild | neva. |
| 18:50.05 | waltz | how much space is reasonable for /usr? |
| 18:50.06 | acidchild | PS2 hooked to the TV tuner ;D |
| 18:50.17 | abrotman | waltz: dependso n the system |
| 18:50.29 | waltz | abrotman: desktop workstation |
| 18:50.31 | ViRUS | Could someone point me to a quickstart guide for getting started with building debian packages. I'd like to create a package that can be easily build via dpkg-buildpackage/dhbuild. I know how to manually tarball the stuff together, but that's rather not what I intend to do. |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | waltz: oculd be huge depending on what you install ... |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | !mg |
| 18:50.50 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 18:51.07 | waltz | uh huh |
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| 18:51.49 | ViRUS | abrotman, thx. |
| 18:51.57 | CLIdiot | bah |
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| 18:52.35 | CLIdiot | I'm trying to squeeze down my debian server, and I have like 3GB worth of data in /var/log/mysql |
| 18:52.47 | abrotman | logs are for dogs! |
| 18:52.58 | CLIdiot | sequentially numbered myslq-bin.00000054 |
| 18:53.01 | CLIdiot | each about 100mb |
| 18:53.07 | Seb | good ol' mysql |
| 18:53.08 | Seb | heh |
| 18:53.16 | CLIdiot | anybody know what's going on there, and how I can squeeze that down a bit? |
| 18:53.20 | Bracki | Is there any proper web based calendar for etch`? |
| 18:53.36 | Bracki | webcalendar seems to be missing in etch. |
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| 19:00.50 | pipeline | abrotman: my 1401 is broken |
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| 19:01.02 | abrotman | pipeline: get a new one! |
| 19:01.14 | pipeline | abrotman: easier said than done |
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| 19:01.29 | pipeline | abrotman: what doy ou think I need the legacy telnet-speaking devices for? :D |
| 19:01.31 | DustyDingo | hm, is there a firefox shortcut per default or with an plugin that copies the address field of the current tab into the clipboard? |
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| 19:02.34 | abrotman | pipeline: your VCR ? |
| 19:02.39 | nedrik | hi |
| 19:02.59 | edison04 | Help i use potato and i want to install imagemagick but i get dependency error xlib6g (>= 3.3.6) ? |
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| 19:03.28 | pipeline | abrotman: no silly to run my paper tape readers replacing the 1401 :P |
| 19:03.35 | abrotman | ew |
| 19:03.48 | abrotman | edison04: you realize potato is *really* old ? |
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| 19:04.10 | edison04 | abrotman, yes i know ! |
| 19:04.41 | abrotman | !info xlib6 potato |
| 19:04.50 | edison04 | Why some time apt-get don't install package dependency ? |
| 19:04.54 | abrotman | edison04: can you paste your sources.list and the error in the pastebin ? |
| 19:05.11 | edison04 | !info xlib6 potato |
| 19:05.19 | abrotman | edison04: bot doesn't know about potato |
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| 19:06.47 | ben_goodger | how old is potato exactly? is it the one before sarge? |
| 19:06.57 | edison04 | abrotman, that an old laptop |
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| 19:07.24 | edison04 | mabe i can install xchat |
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| 19:09.43 | Diafic | brb rebooty |
| 19:09.50 | maxkelly | hello |
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| 19:10.06 | maxkelly | its me max |
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| 19:10.32 | mrtelephone | man im really upset with this ide to sata crap |
| 19:10.37 | maxkelly | are there chicks here? |
| 19:10.49 | mrtelephone | linux works like crap when you try to use both at the same time |
| 19:10.52 | lindenle | Where can I look up the sustaiuned throughput for i.e. gigabit internet (is there a better channel to ask this on?)) |
| 19:11.09 | stew | maxkelly: wrong channel. please keep it on-topic. do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:11.36 | lindenle | Why is Debian the best distro ever ;)? |
| 19:11.44 | lindenle | !distro-war |
| 19:11.49 | tls_81 | maxkelly: perhaps #debianwomen |
| 19:12.08 | maxkelly | hello lindele |
| 19:12.14 | maxkelly | how are you doing? |
| 19:12.15 | dpkg | maxkelly: you know how it is... |
| 19:12.29 | maxkelly | how is it? |
| 19:12.55 | darsie | Hi! We seem to have an AMD K6 200 MHz, but we can't find a K6 kernel in debian. -686 are wrong, right? Shall we bake a new one? |
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| 19:13.00 | abrotman | !potato |
| 19:13.00 | dpkg | it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 19:13.04 | abrotman | ben_goodger: ^^ |
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| 19:13.42 | ben_goodger | oh, god |
| 19:14.04 | robboplus | hm can you run an app in chroot while it needs axx to mysql? will that work? |
| 19:14.35 | stew | robboplus: you can either --bind mount /var/run/mysqld/ into the chroot or connect via tcp |
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| 19:15.39 | robboplus | stew thank you! |
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| 19:18.20 | Max_- | I'm trying to install thunderbird,.. there are many scripts and binaries... nothing really called install or anything... anyone has experience with that? |
| 19:18.46 | stew | Max_-: aptitude insatll icedove |
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| 19:18.59 | Max_- | that's not icedove, that's thunderbird |
| 19:19.14 | Max_- | looked at icedove.. but... boff |
| 19:19.22 | Supaplex | !icedove |
| 19:19.22 | dpkg | [icedove] a fork to replace thunderbird. Debian is unable to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name due to trademark restrictions. See also DFSG, iceweasel, or gnuzilla http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. |
| 19:19.26 | stew | Max_-: waht does "boff" mean? |
| 19:19.42 | Max_- | doesn't look as interesting to mee |
| 19:19.43 | Max_- | -e |
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| 19:19.56 | Ronin | icedove=thunderbird Max_- |
| 19:20.10 | stew | Max_-: thunderbird was renamed icedove in debian. it is functionally equivalent to thunderbird |
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| 19:21.42 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 19:22.14 | mot_ | what kind of software RAID support does debian have? |
| 19:22.42 | karmatronic | does anyone know how to disable transparent tunneling on vpnc ...? |
| 19:23.28 | abrotman | mot_: what kind does linux have? |
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| 19:24.58 | D-Fender1031 | how do i manually enable or disable a network interface? |
| 19:25.11 | ben_goodger | ifdown eth* |
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| 19:25.15 | ben_goodger | I believe |
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| 19:25.39 | D-Fender1031 | or ifup to enable? |
| 19:25.45 | ben_goodger | I will probably be overruled with a comment to "that was deprecated in 2002 and/or causes the following list of problems", however |
| 19:25.46 | ben_goodger | yeah |
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| 19:26.20 | D-Fender1031 | you guys still here? |
| 19:26.22 | karmatronic | ben_goodger: no ,no ...:) |
| 19:26.23 | abrotman | don't do that .. itmakes baby jesus cry! |
| 19:26.29 | D-Fender1031 | then it worked, thanks |
| 19:26.37 | ben_goodger | see... |
| 19:26.39 | ben_goodger | :( |
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| 19:27.46 | mrtelephone | is there a way to reset partition table? |
| 19:27.54 | mrtelephone | fdisk can't seek /dev/hda |
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| 19:28.15 | mrtelephone | or whatever because I copied an 80gb partition table to the 36gb |
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| 19:29.21 | maxamillion | mrtelephone: why did you do that? |
| 19:29.55 | stew | he probably didn't realize the partition table was on the boot sector |
| 19:30.11 | maxamillion | ah |
| 19:30.28 | mrtelephone | yeah I frigged up |
| 19:30.30 | stew | mrtelephone: what do you mean "cant seek" |
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| 19:30.36 | mrtelephone | fdisk |
| 19:30.40 | mrtelephone | cannot seek /dev/sda1 |
| 19:30.43 | mrtelephone | i mean /dev/sda |
| 19:30.51 | stew | mrtelephone: what command are you running? |
| 19:30.57 | mrtelephone | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 19:31.15 | mrtelephone | I can see all the files and folders but it thinks the drive is 70gb |
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| 19:31.35 | stew | mrtelephone: do you know what the partitions should be? |
| 19:31.39 | mrtelephone | yeah |
| 19:31.45 | stew | mrtelephone: i'd use sfdisk then |
| 19:32.03 | mrtelephone | 1 +36000MB the rest is swap |
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| 19:34.25 | mrtelephone | that program is complicated |
| 19:34.41 | mrtelephone | i have an identicle drive 36g |
| 19:34.44 | mrtelephone | if i partition the same way |
| 19:34.52 | mrtelephone | copy the boot sector over |
| 19:34.54 | mrtelephone | use grub |
| 19:35.02 | mrtelephone | to redo the boot sector |
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| 19:35.50 | k0001 | how can i know the speed of a ppp connection ? |
| 19:36.32 | dutchfish | k0001, iptraf, ifconfig and friends |
| 19:36.40 | stew | mrtelephone: you could just zero the partition table |
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| 19:36.50 | dutchfish | k0001, bwm, iftop |
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| 19:37.19 | stew | mrtelephone: (which would make fdisk happy again, i'd guess) |
| 19:38.09 | simonrvn | wee, netsplit |
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| 19:39.37 | stew | mrtelephone: but in any case, there is no reason to touch the MBR again, (causing you to have to run grub again) if you already have grub the way you want it |
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| 19:40.38 | dutchfish | !ping |
| 19:40.39 | dpkg | pong |
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| 19:43.59 | mrtelephone | stew, i was trying to copy an ide bootable disk to a sata on a new server |
| 19:44.06 | mrtelephone | it was a tough task |
| 19:44.17 | mrtelephone | I should have reinstalled base debian and rsynced |
| 19:45.13 | eldowan | I've newly installed firefox. It uses a http proxy on port 80. Each time any page loads, and sometimes multiple times per page, it asks for a username / password. I have supplied the correct credentials, and the page loads. Is there a way to prevent firefox from asking each and every single time. I would like it to just be transparent. I've looked through all the options I could find, and didn't see anything useful. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 19:45.13 | mrtelephone | i copied all the files to a new partition and everything is owned by root now |
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| 19:45.44 | mrtelephone | son of a *beep* |
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| 19:46.41 | tdrusk | how can i get xserver-xorg-video-i810 in etch? |
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| 19:49.47 | MetaPhaze | ok |
| 19:49.52 | MetaPhaze | quick question i hope |
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| 19:50.18 | MetaPhaze | need to get a debian user a package... i have debianutils installed... now how can i make a package for them? |
| 19:50.25 | dutchfish | tdrusk, apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 i gues |
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| 19:50.28 | snacky | mrtelephone: cp -a |
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| 19:51.34 | console_jockey | I'm interested in a linux based tool similar to the (gasp) windows PingPlotter. I've checked into cacti, but the frequency of the graphing is too long (5 minutes) and it does far more than I need (which isn't in itself bad, just an observation). If anyone aware of a suitable tool to measure network latency and display the results in a graph that can be set to a frequency of say 5 sec (or on that order)? |
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| 19:52.01 | dutchfish | console_jockey, researched mon? |
| 19:52.07 | techouse | i need some help with enablink the kdm theme at X startup: it says it's off by default, but i checked /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and it says UseTheme=true, so I just specified the theme path and nothing.... |
| 19:52.19 | console_jockey | dutchfish: mon you say? I will check into it |
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| 19:53.14 | edison04 | Help, what is the best way to know witch file a program is reading. Ex `display *.jpg' ps -ax doesn't give me witch file i see. Any ideas ? |
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| 19:54.04 | fyrestrtr | man lsof :) |
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| 19:54.25 | console_jockey | lsof |
| 19:54.49 | \amethyst | edison04: not really possible... the program probably isn't reading the file anymore when it displays it |
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| 19:56.28 | dutchfish | edison04, wich program is it anyway? |
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| 19:58.46 | edison04 | \amethyst, hum well linux should know about the file because if i try to umount partition with a file open in it it will give me an error isn't ? |
| 19:59.13 | dutchfish | edison04, if you cant umount lsof is your friend |
| 19:59.26 | edison04 | ok |
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| 20:00.30 | dutchfish | edison04, being actually in a dir of the part you want to umount actually prevents umount also ;) |
| 20:00.42 | MetaPhaze | anyone know ? |
| 20:00.56 | MetaPhaze | how to make a debian package (.deb) ? |
| 20:01.14 | azeem | MetaPhaze: see the new maintainers guide |
| 20:01.20 | MetaPhaze | he he |
| 20:01.24 | MetaPhaze | i don't use debian |
| 20:01.30 | dutchfish | metabaron, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 20:01.32 | azeem | so why do you askß |
| 20:01.33 | azeem | ? |
| 20:01.39 | MetaPhaze | i need to know how to do it so i can make a package for a debian user from a gentoo box |
| 20:01.59 | MetaPhaze | debian is running old wine/opengl libs/versions |
| 20:02.01 | yigal | MetaPhaze: nm is a good concise guide |
| 20:02.14 | valdyn | MetaPhaze: wine debs are at winehq.com |
| 20:02.20 | azeem | MetaPhaze: it's pretty difficult to do when you're not on Debian |
| 20:02.21 | MetaPhaze | i know this |
| 20:02.22 | \amethyst | MetaPhaze: you probably want to set up a debian chroot for that |
| 20:02.41 | MetaPhaze | wine debs are in synapic or apt's database |
| 20:02.41 | DustyBin | a debian change root? |
| 20:02.55 | MetaPhaze | but in gentoo we have debianutils |
| 20:03.02 | yigal | MetaPhaze: synaptic uses apt database |
| 20:03.05 | MetaPhaze | which means all the debian utilities |
| 20:03.06 | azeem | MetaPhaze: so ask gentoo how to do it on gentoo |
| 20:03.10 | MetaPhaze | yigal, yes i know this |
| 20:03.11 | azeem | we don't know |
| 20:03.15 | \amethyst | DustyBin: a debian system installed in a subdirectory so that when you chroot into the directory, it looks like you're running debian |
| 20:03.19 | MetaPhaze | azeem, they just told me to ask here |
| 20:03.24 | azeem | MetaPhaze: they are wrong |
| 20:03.28 | DustyBin | \amethyst: aye ok |
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| 20:03.42 | azeem | MetaPhaze: and/or read the new maintainers guide and whatever documentation is there with debianutils |
| 20:03.58 | yigal | MetaPhaze: then why ask " wine debs are in synapic or apt's database" ? |
| 20:04.11 | DustyBin | \amethyst: its a bastard copying over all required libraries when creating chroots |
| 20:04.22 | MetaPhaze | yigal, i didn't ask that |
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| 20:04.34 | MetaPhaze | yigal, that was a statement |
| 20:04.35 | valdyn | debootstrap runs just fine on gentoo |
| 20:04.35 | \amethyst | DustyBin: you can set then up with hard links if your chroot is going to have the same libraries |
| 20:04.39 | ma3x | are there such html pages where you enter username for example and it saves your keystrokes, even before you hit enter |
| 20:04.45 | \amethyst | DustyBin: but, yeah, there is a lot of copying involved |
| 20:04.50 | yigal | MetaPhaze: at (01:02:44 PM) you did |
| 20:04.51 | valdyn | MetaPhaze: recent wine debs are at winehq.com, not in debian |
| 20:04.53 | Sebboh | Hi, KDE won't start. "Could not start kdeinit. Check your installation." This happened after a power outage. Ok, now what? |
| 20:04.55 | MetaPhaze | yigal, no ? at the end of that sentance |
| 20:05.00 | Sebboh | ma3x, you want AJAX. |
| 20:05.09 | MetaPhaze | <MetaPhaze> wine debs are in synapic or apt's database |
| 20:05.11 | DustyBin | \amethyst: there is a tool called 'makejail' but ive never used it |
| 20:05.11 | Atalanta | is there anything that one cant do with debian, and needs another distro for? |
| 20:05.43 | yigal | Atalanta: well to suck you need another distro? |
| 20:05.50 | Atalanta | anything else? |
| 20:05.55 | ma3x | Sebboh, what's that? |
| 20:05.56 | Sebboh | Atalanta, encode an mp3. |
| 20:06.05 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, use kde and thunar |
| 20:06.08 | Atalanta | you cant do it at any way in debian? |
| 20:06.11 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, and many other things |
| 20:06.11 | yigal | Sebboh: that isn't true there are repos for that. |
| 20:06.18 | Sebboh | ma3x, sorry, that's all the info you get. Go read the wikipedia page about ajax. |
| 20:06.18 | MetaPhaze | install win32codecs |
| 20:06.21 | DustyBin | Atalanta: you cannot install the latest software from stable debian packages, its usually a bit behind, your options are to install .debs from otherplaces or compile yourself |
| 20:06.39 | Sebboh | yigal, 3rd party repos are not part of Debian, and this conversation is over. |
| 20:06.48 | ma3x | Sebboh, i dont want to use it, i just ask if there are pages that do that |
| 20:06.50 | DustyBin | agreed |
| 20:06.53 | yigal | Sebboh: that is true |
| 20:06.59 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, run the most recent software... etc... debian lags behind a lot in version numbers |
| 20:07.11 | valdyn | geez |
| 20:07.17 | ma3x | for example you go to google and you type 'aaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssdddddd' and then you press backspace and type something else, without doing the search actually |
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| 20:07.21 | ma3x | can it log that or no? |
| 20:07.37 | yigal | MetaPhaze: yes I think you are right in terms of the latest Gentoo or Fedora Debian is not as bleeding edge |
| 20:07.38 | valdyn | MetaPhaze: you really mean debian/stable when claiming that |
| 20:07.38 | dutchfish | ma3x, yes, with ajax and othe rlanguages client side too ... think of java etc etc |
| 20:07.59 | Sebboh | ma3x, there are some. Rare. Usually, there's no reason to do that. Sometimes there is a reason, like, if you want to automatically search as the user types.. like, use hits h, and system provides: hello, helmet, homes. |
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| 20:08.03 | mcgreg | hi |
| 20:08.35 | MetaPhaze | yigal, yes that's what i'm saying... if you want to stay current and bleeding edge (which i've had no problems with nor had problems getting installed on other peoples boxes) |
| 20:08.56 | Sebboh | ma3x, yes, some websites would save the aaaaaaasssssssssddddd that you typed. If you want to know what traffic your PC is sending, get network monitoring tools. |
| 20:08.57 | mcgreg | I have a very annoying problem since I installed xorg 7.3 on debian. when I want to use my arrow , they dont work, and when I press up, the screen-shot tool gets opened and that all |
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| 20:09.09 | \amethyst | ma3x: one way to tell is to use a javascript debugger to see what events are set on that text box |
| 20:09.16 | mcgreg | did that happen to anyone else? |
| 20:09.18 | \amethyst | but network traffic is even better |
| 20:09.22 | MetaPhaze | valdyn, well i don't know about debian/stable... i've got a version of debian that uses the unstable branch and it's behind my gentoo box as well |
| 20:09.25 | yigal | MetaPhaze: Sid is pretty good at keeping an ounce of stability while at the same time being close to bleeding edge, it is my compromise :) |
| 20:09.32 | valdyn | mcgreg: check the bts |
| 20:09.39 | valdyn | MetaPhaze: few weeks at most |
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| 20:09.46 | \amethyst | "a version of debian that uses the unstable branch"? |
| 20:09.49 | \amethyst | what does that mean? |
| 20:09.50 | bliss_ | hello |
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| 20:10.06 | valdyn | MetaPhaze: but true that, unless you want to use debian/experimental |
| 20:10.09 | MetaPhaze | \amethyst, it means it's a customized debian.... not pure debian |
| 20:10.14 | ma3x | Sebboh, what network monitoring tools ? |
| 20:10.42 | MetaPhaze | valdyn, na.. i only run gentoo... only my slow a** laptop runs debian... and it's not really debian |
| 20:10.58 | Sebboh | ma3x, Sorry, our free five minutes is up. To contine holding hands with me, please call 1900-personalized-education-for-strangers |
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| 20:11.21 | Sebboh | Hi, KDE won't start. "Could not start kdeinit. Check your installation." This happened after a power outage. Ok, now what? |
| 20:11.22 | dutchfish | ma3x, wireshark |
| 20:11.36 | valdyn | Sebboh: that's a joke? |
| 20:11.41 | bliss_ | need some help found a source package but not the most recent .deb package howis it possible to see if a .deb does exist somewhere tried lenny and SID already |
| 20:11.45 | azeem | valdyn: why? |
| 20:11.46 | ma3x | haha |
| 20:11.58 | ma3x | Sebboh, get your PhD first |
| 20:11.59 | yigal | Sebboh: sounds like a windows disease |
| 20:12.01 | valdyn | azeem: because it wasn't that obvious to m |
| 20:12.10 | azeem | well, he asked that before |
| 20:12.20 | azeem | valdyn: why would you consider it a joke? |
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| 20:12.43 | Sebboh | valdyn, azeem: azeem is talking about my KDE question, valdyn is talking about my 1-900 joke. |
| 20:12.47 | MetaPhaze | Also, the gentoo package repository is more diverse than that of debian's (owing to its package management system being source-based), so I'm sure most of the debian packages are already there. |
| 20:12.50 | azeem | oh |
| 20:13.00 | valdyn | Sebboh: nah, actually i was talking about your kde question |
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| 20:13.15 | Sebboh | Oh. It's not a joke. My kde is broken. :( Help? |
| 20:13.20 | robboplus | is chmod 755 safe for www root dir? |
| 20:13.22 | azeem | MetaPhaze: btw, discussing various distributions is off-topic here |
| 20:13.24 | yigal | MetaPhaze: Ok then why are you in this channel? :) |
| 20:13.31 | fyrestrtr | !info pidgin etch |
| 20:13.33 | MetaPhaze | i'm trying to help a debian user |
| 20:13.39 | dutchfish | robboplus, if you run php nothing is save |
| 20:13.39 | MetaPhaze | thats why i'm here |
| 20:13.46 | azeem | fyrestrtr: it's called gaim in etch |
| 20:13.51 | fyrestrtr | oh |
| 20:13.52 | CryptoMole | hi all looking for a particular package on debian's site? In which catagory is pcmciautils? |
| 20:13.54 | azeem | MetaPhaze: so don't digress into distribution comparisons |
| 20:13.57 | MetaPhaze | how do you people make packages? isn't there a quickpkg for debian? |
| 20:14.02 | abrotman | !mg |
| 20:14.02 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 20:14.11 | abrotman | CryptoMole: i thought it was gone in etch ? |
| 20:14.14 | yigal | MetaPhaze: look at New Maintainers Guide. |
| 20:14.15 | valdyn | Sebboh: power outage means random loss of data, you can reinstall or run debsums to find the broken file |
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| 20:14.26 | MetaPhaze | ack... that means work... you guys need a quickpkg |
| 20:14.31 | yigal | MetaPhaze: it is not difficult |
| 20:14.32 | abrotman | CryptoMole: oh .. no it's not |
| 20:14.35 | valdyn | Sebboh: which is likley somewhere in the complete stack used by kde.. that's many packages to search |
| 20:14.36 | azeem | MetaPhaze: we don't, we do things right |
| 20:14.48 | valdyn | Sebboh: check ~/.xsession-errors for details maybe |
| 20:14.48 | MetaPhaze | what's not right about quickpkg? |
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| 20:14.58 | Eulex | Sebboh, what filesystem are you using? |
| 20:15.00 | yigal | MetaPhaze: dh_make |
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| 20:15.00 | stew | CryptoMole: http://packages.debian.org/pcmciautils |
| 20:15.03 | MetaPhaze | i backup and install complete gentoo systems with quickpkg |
| 20:15.06 | abrotman | CryptoMole: it's in 'admin' .. packages.debian.org/pcmciautils |
| 20:15.12 | |Max_-| | stew: What if icedove says "Mail server does not support secure authentication"? |
| 20:15.15 | azeem | MetaPhaze: if you need older versions of official packages, look at snapshot.debian.net, for older versions of winehq packages, check winehq, I guess |
| 20:15.18 | CryptoMole | oh thanks. |
| 20:15.30 | stew | Max_-: i don't understand your question |
| 20:15.31 | azeem | MetaPhaze: gentoo is off-topic here |
| 20:15.43 | yigal | MetaPhaze: go to Gentoo and talk about Debian |
| 20:15.48 | Sebboh | valdyn, I agree that some file is corrupted. I think that it's in ~/.kde though... Just a hunch. (I also did I apt-get upgrade after this, and it just happened to replace most of X...) |
| 20:15.49 | yigal | if you must |
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| 20:16.00 | Sebboh | Eulex, ext3! Isn't that great? :P |
| 20:16.03 | valdyn | Sebboh: just move ~/.kde out of the way then |
| 20:16.06 | abrotman | Max_-: you're triyng to login with TLS/SSL ? |
| 20:16.13 | yigal | Sebboh: ~/.kde is usually huge ? |
| 20:16.20 | Sebboh | valdyn, #kde says not to do that. |
| 20:16.23 | MetaPhaze | yigal, i do... we don't care there what distro you talk about as long as you don't start or continue a war |
| 20:16.29 | Eulex | Sebboh, yeah, ext3 is robust. |
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| 20:16.38 | azeem | Sebboh: you can move it back once you established the problem is in .kde |
| 20:16.40 | MetaPhaze | yigal, we aren't so touchy there |
| 20:16.41 | valdyn | Sebboh: sound like nonsense, but what do i know |
| 20:16.42 | Max_- | stew: I loaded icedove and I'm trying to get my emails from gmail server with it... it requires ssl ... so I specified to use SSL and there is an Alert when I try to download my messages saying that the mail server doesn not support secure auth. |
| 20:16.43 | Sebboh | Eulex, is that so? :Sebboh points at his broken PC: |
| 20:16.43 | azeem | then, ... well dunno |
| 20:16.50 | yigal | MetaPhaze: different strokes for different fokes |
| 20:16.55 | valdyn | Sebboh: just move away now, restore it back later, i dont see a problem |
| 20:16.57 | Eulex | Sebboh, prolly something else that is broken then. |
| 20:17.05 | MetaPhaze | yigal, its about community not disto... it's all gnu/linux |
| 20:17.07 | stew | Max_-: which password method are you trying to use? |
| 20:17.12 | abelle | Hi |
| 20:17.24 | stew | MetaPhaze: #gentoo is off-topic in here. do you have a debian related question or not? |
| 20:17.26 | valdyn | Sebboh: mind you wnt to make sure there's no process running that will change that config while you'r switching |
| 20:17.26 | yigal | Sebboh: I had to destroy ~/.gconf yesterday |
| 20:17.39 | Max_- | stew: and it keeps changing the pop server's port... |
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| 20:17.42 | yigal | Sebboh: as it messed my keyboard settings up in Xorg bad |
| 20:17.48 | Sebboh | Eulex, your theory about ext3 being robust doesn't match up with the empirical evidince that I've got here, sorry. |
| 20:17.54 | Atalanta | is debian suitable for system administration, servers and workstations in a company? |
| 20:17.56 | MetaPhaze | yes stew is there a good package converter you know of for .tbz2 to .deb? |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | Atalanta: yes |
| 20:18.13 | valdyn | Max_-: i think gmail does not support ssl at all? |
| 20:18.19 | Max_- | stew: I see no password methods... don't get the question |
| 20:18.24 | valdyn | Max_-: only 'just' secure auth |
| 20:18.24 | Ti_sch | can somebody tell me the meaning of "ns-cert-type" for openvpn ? |
| 20:18.29 | yigal | MetaPhaze: this is not a "good" package but checkinstall will do what you want |
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| 20:18.37 | Atalanta | abrotman: and its secure enough, and stable enough and has everything i would need for this? |
| 20:18.39 | Max_- | valdyn: oh... well.. it was checked in windows.. I'll uncheck it |
| 20:18.42 | dutchfish | Atalanta, yes, if carefully deployed |
| 20:18.50 | Atalanta | dutchfish: sounds like a catch |
| 20:18.51 | Eulex | Sebboh, and in those cases where your system b0rked you're sure that ext3 was at cause? if your hdd is broken, even ext3 won't be able to save your data. |
| 20:18.53 | Eulex | for example. |
| 20:18.54 | Max_- | still icedove changes the port... dumb behavior IMO |
| 20:18.54 | hardcampa | Anyone know how to install the mediawiki extensions on debian. |
| 20:18.57 | abrotman | Atalanta: uhm .. most of us use it on a regular basis for all sorts of work related items |
| 20:18.57 | stew | MetaPhaze: i dno't know of one |
| 20:18.57 | MetaPhaze | yigal, checkinstall? why would checkinstall convert packages? |
| 20:19.05 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 20:19.05 | Sebboh | Eulex, I would like to provide a bug report to the ext3 team, but unfortunately I don't know what happened, and I don't have an image of the filesystem from before it was (silently!) broked. |
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| 20:19.06 | Atalanta | abrotman: what do you do |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | Atalanta: chat with you all day |
| 20:19.22 | Atalanta | abrotman: for pay |
| 20:19.22 | stew | Max_-: what port are you trying to connect to? |
| 20:19.23 | yigal | MetaPhaze: because that is what you want to do, take a source .tbz2 --> .deb ? yes? |
| 20:19.26 | abelle | I'll find out |
| 20:19.29 | MetaPhaze | yigal, no |
| 20:19.30 | abrotman | Atalanta: chat with you all day :) |
| 20:19.33 | Atalanta | lol |
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| 20:19.38 | Atalanta | *supposed to do |
| 20:19.38 | MetaPhaze | yigal, tbz2 is not a source package |
| 20:19.40 | Max_- | stew: 995 for pop and 465 for smtp.. |
| 20:19.42 | MetaPhaze | yigal, it's binary |
| 20:19.43 | dutchfish | Atalanta, actually there is one, support, you can go ring the debian company in case of emergency, but apart form that i would choose debian over any distro for that purpose |
| 20:19.45 | valdyn | Max_-: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103 |
| 20:19.48 | Eulex | !tell hardcampa about search |
| 20:19.49 | stew | MetaPhaze: in general it is impossible to make a good .deb from a tarball through an automated process |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | dutchfish: there are companies that support debian for cash |
| 20:19.59 | dutchfish | Atalanta, can = cant |
| 20:20.05 | Atalanta | heh |
| 20:20.13 | valdyn | Max_-: where thunderbird = icedove |
| 20:20.27 | dutchfish | Atalanta, abrotman yes there are |
| 20:20.33 | Max_- | valdyn: thanks, trying this |
| 20:20.34 | hardcampa | Eulex how do that help ... |
| 20:20.35 | MetaPhaze | hmm guess i'll go ask in redhat... i know there is a rpm to deb |
| 20:20.45 | yigal | MetaPhaze: File archive compressed with both .TAR and .BZ2 compression; often found on Unix systems. |
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| 20:20.48 | Atalanta | abrotman: oh cool |
| 20:20.48 | Eulex | hardcampa, you search for the package, you find it, and you install it. |
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| 20:20.57 | hardcampa | Eulex no |
| 20:20.58 | stew | Max_-: ok. but this error doesn't seem to be related to ssl, it seems to be related to auth. which auth method did you choose? (where an auth method might be plain, login, cram-md5, kerberos...) |
| 20:21.01 | yigal | MetaPhaze: tbz2 is a source file |
| 20:21.03 | Atalanta | abrotman: what is your job title and description |
| 20:21.07 | MetaPhaze | yigal, yes i know what it is... in gentoo we use them for packages |
| 20:21.08 | hardcampa | It's installed I want to know how to enable it |
| 20:21.17 | MetaPhaze | yigal, and i assure you they are not source |
| 20:21.23 | stew | yigal: tbz2 doesn't say anything about its contents |
| 20:21.32 | yigal | MetaPhaze: yes but they are not binaries even in Gentoo |
| 20:21.33 | Eulex | hardcampa, ok. I'd refer to the documentation. |
| 20:21.35 | abrotman | Atalanta: SUPREME RULER OF THE UNIVERSE |
| 20:21.42 | Atalanta | oh shit |
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| 20:21.44 | hardcampa | Eulex I would too but there are none |
| 20:21.45 | MetaPhaze | yigal, yes they are my friend would you like me to send you one? |
| 20:21.48 | Atalanta | SRSLY? |
| 20:21.50 | hardcampa | ergo that's why I ask here |
| 20:22.00 | hardcampa | The documentation is on the TODO list in the changelog |
| 20:22.04 | Eulex | hardcampa, looked in /usr/share/doc/$PKG_NAME? |
| 20:22.04 | hardcampa | =/ |
| 20:22.06 | Sebboh | Eulex, well, I was thinking, it's possible that ext3 did not fail, but the power failure still caused the system to be in a non-running state. For example, an application such as KDE could want to make some changes to a file, then stop writing.. Think for a moment, then finish writing changes.. If the power goes out then, the file could be left in an invalid state, and that's not ext3's fault. |
| 20:22.08 | Ti_sch | i need help for openvpn, can somebody help me please |
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| 20:22.20 | Sebboh | Did that line get cut off? Last word: fault. |
| 20:22.26 | Eulex | Sebboh, right |
| 20:22.27 | Atalanta | does debian have any direct rivals? |
| 20:22.28 | dutchfish | Atalanta, what is yours? |
| 20:22.33 | Eulex | Sebboh, no, it all came through. |
| 20:22.36 | Atalanta | dutchfish: im a student in CIS |
| 20:22.36 | stew | yigal: the debian binariares are a pair of .tag.gz files, there is no reason to belive that a .tar.bz2 couldn't be full of binaries instead of source |
| 20:23.12 | Atalanta | ya know, when i was startin out, i always wondering why binaries didnt look like a bunch of 0s and 1s in nano... |
| 20:23.18 | Atalanta | dutchfish: you? |
| 20:23.20 | MetaPhaze | yigal, you could call the tbz2 files .tar.bz2 if you like... they just shorten it to tbz2 just like slackware shortens their .tar.gz to .tgz |
| 20:23.21 | stew | Atalanta: since debian isn't involved in competition, it would be wrong to characterize anything as a rival to debian |
| 20:23.40 | yigal | MetaPhaze: why you also need to be pedantic is beyond me |
| 20:23.42 | dutchfish | Atalanta, i teach and work in an ISP envirenment too |
| 20:23.45 | Atalanta | im going to be a programmer by profession, but ill have a lot of business/managemet/sysadmin under my belt when i get my two degrees |
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| 20:23.45 | MetaPhaze | yigal, both are just tar files that have been compressed and can contain anything |
| 20:24.06 | Atalanta | stew: i cant find the right word. english isnt my first language |
| 20:24.15 | yigal | somian: sure I'm a troll, what ever |
| 20:24.16 | Atalanta | stew: comparison, i think is it |
| 20:24.30 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, gnu/linux is a community we try not to fight as our goals are the same in the end |
| 20:24.45 | Atalanta | MetaPhaze: tell that to gentoo folks |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | MetaPhaze: if you want a debian package from source .. read the maintainer guide .. end of story |
| 20:24.54 | somian | Here he is claiming something absurd and ignorant that only a really uninformed person could thinkl, and then when its explained otherwise, calls it "pedantic". |
| 20:25.03 | Sebboh | yigal, ~/.kde is 58 meg. Is that strangely large as you asked about? |
| 20:25.16 | somian | Very entertaining no doubt. |
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| 20:25.36 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, choosing a distribution is based on personal opinions and skill level... some distributions are easier to use than others... debian is a good solid distribution of linux that is pretty simple to use and maintain |
| 20:25.42 | yigal | Sebboh: it usually contains icons and art which I believe is the large part of ~/.kde - if you have a few themes it will be that large |
| 20:25.45 | stew | somian: please keep it constructive. if you think he is saying something wrong, either try to educate him or ignore him, instead of using ad-hominems |
| 20:25.59 | Sebboh | I have no themes, but I have irc logs. |
| 20:26.09 | Atalanta | MetaPhaze: so its like a comfortable safe middleground when choosing one for a company's servers/workstations? |
| 20:26.19 | yigal | Sebboh: ah, ok, well just move ~/.kde to ~/kde and restart |
| 20:26.21 | stew | Atalanta: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 20:26.23 | dutchfish | MetaPhaze, dont forget the word stability ;) |
| 20:26.24 | yigal | reload kdm |
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| 20:27.20 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, yes... when i sell my services installing any distribution (i have installed over 20 distro's in the last year) for my company (gabegear) i have to tell them all about each distro and decide which would be best for their needs |
| 20:27.43 | Atalanta | MetaPhaze: heh, what are the most common choices? |
| 20:27.55 | Sebboh | Guys after you're on IRC a while you'll learn to interact with it more like you interact with google search results: just skim over it all and only pay attention to what interests you, what is productive. There isn't any real positive outcome out of telling us who you think might be a troll, or of telling someone that person that s/he shouldn't do that.. No more than there is any postive |
| 20:27.56 | MetaPhaze | debian, ubuntu, gentoo, and redhat |
| 20:28.00 | Sebboh | outcome from this message. :) |
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| 20:28.06 | Atalanta | gentoo?? |
| 20:28.09 | MetaPhaze | in that order |
| 20:28.14 | MetaPhaze | yes some people only want gentoo |
| 20:28.21 | Atalanta | id imagine it would be hell to maintain |
| 20:28.22 | marcin | Hello, i'm fighting with it about a couple of hours and i've no idea what's i forgot to compile, when I start the system every think works well, but there is a message: get_console_fd: inappropiate ioctl for device and login process doesn't start, any idea? |
| 20:28.24 | MetaPhaze | i just did a gentoo box this weekend |
| 20:28.28 | techouse | is denian availible on a livecd? |
| 20:28.35 | techouse | debian* |
| 20:28.35 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, no they are easy... you can install gentoo over the net |
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| 20:28.37 | Atalanta | whats the benefit of it, besides compiling on specialized hardware? |
| 20:28.43 | Atalanta | MetaPhaze: debian has netinst too |
| 20:28.48 | stew | Atalanta: MetaPhaze: if you want to discuss gentoo go to #gentoo, if you want to discuss the merits of various distros, go to ##linux |
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| 20:28.58 | stew | Atalanta: gentoo is off-topic here |
| 20:28.59 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, you don't have to be present to install a gentoo distro... i can do it from here |
| 20:29.08 | stew | MetaPhaze: stop |
| 20:29.11 | Atalanta | stew: i thought the rest of us were having fun discussing all this |
| 20:29.18 | Atalanta | is stew an op or something? |
| 20:29.21 | MetaPhaze | stew, why the hatred for gentoo this man is trying to learn which distro he wants... |
| 20:29.23 | stew | Atalanta: please end this discussion or take it elsewhere |
| 20:29.23 | Atalanta | he seems to think he is at least |
| 20:29.25 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, join #mystrix |
| 20:29.38 | MetaPhaze | Atalanta, i can answer all your questions hate free there |
| 20:29.42 | stew | MetaPhaze: its just off-topic. EOD |
| 20:29.53 | Atalanta | seriously is stew an op? |
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| 20:30.23 | ben_goodger | I hope he is |
| 20:30.32 | Atalanta | why so |
| 20:30.39 | ben_goodger | otherwise there's quite a severe bug in the IRC server :P |
| 20:31.06 | Sebboh | ben_goodger, I think that you're not sure what you're talking about. |
| 20:31.32 | jaj | Atalanta, /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 20:31.47 | MetaPhaze | does debian have a live cd with an ssh server? |
| 20:31.56 | dutchfish | MetaPhaze, yes |
| 20:32.06 | Atalanta | wow that sucks. i hate assholes who have ops |
| 20:32.10 | ben_goodger | Sebboh: stew has been doing oppy things for some time, including to me, so if he's not an op then there is a severe bug in the server |
| 20:32.12 | azeem | Atalanta: eh? |
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| 20:32.16 | MetaPhaze | dutchfish, so you could install debian on someone's computer remotely? |
| 20:32.31 | dondelelcaro | Atalanta: if you want to cast aspersions on people, do it elsewhere. |
| 20:32.36 | dutchfish | MetaPhaze, no until sshd is up, then yes |
| 20:32.51 | Sebboh | yigal, .kde is not to blame. D'oh! |
| 20:33.00 | azeem | MetaPhaze: debian live doesn't have an install routine, I tihnk |
| 20:33.00 | MetaPhaze | dutchfish, yeah that's what i'm asking... do you have to install anything to get the sshd up and going? |
| 20:33.02 | azeem | think* |
| 20:33.18 | dutchfish | MetaPhaze, no its an install option, RTFM |
| 20:33.20 | yigal | Sebboh: that's sad to hear, what error is it giving you again? |
| 20:33.37 | MetaPhaze | ok Atalanta then no you can't install debian remotely |
| 20:33.55 | stew | MetaPhaze: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 20:33.56 | \amethyst | Does anyone actually use the debian installer remotely? I figured it would be debootstrap then |
| 20:34.04 | Sebboh | Eulex, ok, since ~/.kde is not to blame for KDE not starting after the power outage, hmm, how did a system area die when I was running as a user? :P Lame. |
| 20:34.19 | Sebboh | yigal, could not start kdeinit. |
| 20:34.26 | Sebboh | "check your installation" |
| 20:34.29 | Eulex | Sebboh, you have not even determined that a system area died. |
| 20:34.50 | Sebboh | Eulex, yes, I was just thinking of making a new user real quick... |
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| 20:35.08 | Ahmadinejad | Hmm, is Debian Sid fucked up today? |
| 20:35.11 | yigal | Sebboh: sounds like a good idea - sorry for listening in |
| 20:35.20 | Eulex | Sebboh, have you performed any upgrade recently? or rather, since last time you booted the box? |
| 20:35.25 | ben_goodger | Ahmadinejad: almost certainly... |
| 20:35.37 | stew | Ahmadinejad: it is everyday in various ways, you should try to ask a more specific question |
| 20:35.39 | Eulex | Sebboh, also, I'd advice to actually check your logs. |
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| 20:35.56 | Eulex | Sebboh, especially .xsession-errors. |
| 20:35.59 | Sebboh | yigal, sorry, you're included too. |
| 20:36.07 | abrotman | MetaPhaze: you can install it remotely |
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| 20:36.13 | Sebboh | Eulex, logs, yes! Which, where? |
| 20:36.16 | MetaPhaze | abrotman, you can? |
| 20:36.27 | abrotman | MetaPhaze: there's debootstrap and ssh installs |
| 20:36.31 | Ahmadinejad | stew: I have problems in installing NTP |
| 20:36.42 | Ahmadinejad | I've reinstalled Debian 3 times today |
| 20:36.45 | Eulex | Sebboh, /var/log in general, except stdout from an X session that is redirected to ~/.xsession-errors |
| 20:36.47 | MetaPhaze | abrotman, got a link? that would help next time i have someone choose debian |
| 20:36.49 | yigal | MetaPhaze: how long does it take to build a gentoo system for a desktop which is pretty nicely optimized - for a amd64 TK-55 laptop? |
| 20:36.51 | Ahmadinejad | I'll reinstall tomorrow |
| 20:36.57 | abrotman | !tell MetaPhaze about debootstrap |
| 20:36.59 | yigal | wow sorry for that that is way off topic |
| 20:37.00 | abrotman | !tell MetaPhaze about ssh install |
| 20:37.04 | stew | Ahmadinejad: http://bugs.debian.org/ntp |
| 20:37.12 | dutchfish | Ahmadinejad, apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 20:37.19 | MetaPhaze | yigal, join #mystrix if you want to ask about non debian stuff |
| 20:37.21 | Ahmadinejad | I currenctly use the US servers |
| 20:37.27 | MetaPhaze | need to respect the channels rules |
| 20:37.28 | jaj | Sorry if this is off-topic but I'd like to know how to create a file system inside a big blob file and mount it. I'm a BSD user but I have to do it on a debian box and I'm lacking the basic linux skills. just 1 keyword to start looking would be cool |
| 20:37.30 | Ahmadinejad | Maybe downloading other places from helps |
| 20:37.35 | stew | Ahmadinejad: no, it shouldn't |
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| 20:38.01 | Sebboh | Eulex, yigal, yes, brand new user with new home dir can't load up kde either. |
| 20:38.05 | stew | Ahmadinejad: the packages should be the same on all the servers, and the sid packages for ntp should be broken on all of them |
| 20:38.16 | Eulex | Sebboh, what about my unanswered question? |
| 20:38.20 | Sebboh | jaj, loopback device. |
| 20:38.21 | Ahmadinejad | ok:( |
| 20:38.30 | Ahmadinejad | How often new packages comes? |
| 20:38.31 | dutchfish | jaj, man loop |
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| 20:38.36 | Sebboh | Eulex, sorry, I don't have highlight, one sec... |
| 20:38.46 | jaj | thanks Sebboh dutchfish |
| 20:38.50 | Ahmadinejad | I reinstall when the new packages is made |
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| 20:39.00 | Eulex | Sebboh, when was your last upgrade? |
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| 20:39.22 | Sebboh | Eulex, today, after the problem. |
| 20:39.32 | stew | Ahmadinejad: the fix was just uploaded today |
| 20:39.44 | eldowan | is the lastseen ?factoid? working for anybody? |
| 20:39.47 | Eulex | Sebboh, ok |
| 20:39.50 | Sebboh | (since the upgrade would write over some files, since some of mine were maybe corrupt, I figured: good!) |
| 20:39.52 | Ahmadinejad | To this problem? |
| 20:39.52 | ManuP | hi. how do i expand my desktop to two monitors (horizontal expansion).?i have ati propri (fglrx) drivers running |
| 20:40.03 | Sebboh | :) |
| 20:40.14 | Ahmadinejad | Stew, Or, was it the problem which was uploaded today? |
| 20:40.27 | eldowan | ManuP: you would need to manipulate your xorg.conf I believe |
| 20:40.33 | stew | Ahmadinejad: yes, so hopefully it would be available within a day or two depending on what arch you are on http://bugs.debian.org/ntp |
| 20:40.49 | Eulex | Sebboh, in any case, I'm off to bed now, but I'll repeat: check your logs for what the actual problem might be. |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | eldowan: /msg dpkg seen eldowan |
| 20:41.04 | biz | is there a way to poweroff the monitor while in console mode? (not just blank it, eg use vesa poweroff / dpms) |
| 20:41.05 | ManuP | eldowan, do you know what i have to do? |
| 20:41.07 | eldowan | abrotman: thanks. |
| 20:41.17 | Sebboh | yes, looking for them now. thanks Eulex. |
| 20:41.18 | eldowan | ManuP: I'm looking for some instructions for you. :D |
| 20:41.25 | Eulex | biz, with an ati card, you can radeontool light off. dunno about other ones. |
| 20:42.22 | biz | Eulex: there is setterm -poweroff which uses dpms but I did not yet get it to work correctly... its always just blanking |
| 20:42.24 | eldowan | ManuP: are you using xorg or xfree86? sarge, etch, lenny? |
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| 20:42.48 | MetaPhaze | is debian compiled i686 by default or i386? |
| 20:42.54 | ManuP | eldowan, using etch, with xorg i suppose... but dont know exactly *sorry* |
| 20:42.58 | dondelelcaro | MetaPhaze: 386 unless it matters. |
| 20:43.03 | MetaPhaze | right |
| 20:43.04 | \amethyst | MetaPhaze: 486 |
| 20:43.05 | eldowan | ManuP: etch is xorg IIRC |
| 20:43.16 | ManuP | eldowan, i had to edit xorg.conf several times... so i assume i have xorg |
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| 20:43.47 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: it's actually just 386, though it won't work on anything less than a 486 without fixing libc6. |
| 20:44.07 | dondelelcaro | (which no one has cared to do in the past 2 years that it's been broken) |
| 20:44.18 | eldowan | ManuP: sudo aticonfig --initial |
| 20:44.26 | eldowan | ManuP: that should do the trick. |
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| 20:46.03 | ManuP | eldowan, ati-drivers are running. using beryl also. but aticonfig doesnt work properly on my system :( also ati-control-center doesnt start up |
| 20:46.20 | eldowan | ManuP: ooh, not familiar with beryl. |
| 20:46.23 | ManuP | eldowan, all bulls**** but will try to edit xorg.conf manually |
| 20:46.41 | karsten | Any idea how to mount a Mac OS X DMG file under Debian? |
| 20:46.49 | ManuP | eldowan, i just wanted to say that 3d acceleration and direct rendering and all that stuff is running |
| 20:46.56 | eldowan | ManuP: aah. |
| 20:47.04 | keith4 | karsten: ha! that's a good one |
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| 20:47.27 | keith4 | karsten: they're HFS |
| 20:47.33 | karsten | keith4: hpfs |
| 20:47.43 | karsten | keith4: ... or HFS? |
| 20:47.46 | keith4 | HFS |
| 20:47.50 | eldowan | ManuP: I think this should provide some help. It was writtenf or ubuntu, but it might work. It talks about how to run the aticonfig commandline only, no GUI http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=301941 |
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| 20:47.59 | keith4 | you should be able to mount it loopback, using hfs |
| 20:48.03 | keith4 | just like mounting an iso loopback |
| 20:48.20 | karsten | $ sudo mount -r -o loop -t hfs Export-Import\ Entourage\ 1310.dmg mp |
| 20:48.23 | abrotman | karsten: maybe ask #macosx if there's a way to convert it to something useful :) |
| 20:48.27 | karsten | Results in "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 20:48.37 | Atalanta | heh |
| 20:48.41 | keith4 | karsten: might be hfs+ |
| 20:48.43 | Atalanta | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 20:48.51 | karsten | file says: Export-Import Entourage 1310.dmg: VAX COFF executable not stripped |
| 20:48.59 | keith4 | whoa |
| 20:49.01 | SexyKen | You can't install zend optimizer using Debian APT? |
| 20:49.20 | abrotman | SexyKen: license restrictions IIRC |
| 20:49.44 | ManuP | eldowan, i am reading a theard on dualview |
| 20:49.47 | keith4 | karsten: how big is it? send it to me and i'll send you back something useful |
| 20:50.03 | eldowan | ManuP: Here is the wiki (unoficial linked to by ati/amd) http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 20:51.10 | |fribuntu| | Hi all, |
| 20:51.11 | keith4 | karrotx: the problem is that dmg is just a container for a file system... the fs could be anything that OS X can read |
| 20:51.32 | |fribuntu| | I have a problem with freezing SATA disk when using LVM over dm-crypt. |
| 20:51.35 | karrotx | keith4: well, actually the problem is you don't know how to tab complete |
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| 20:51.46 | karsten | keith4: Sec. It's pulled down from a site. |
| 20:51.46 | keith4 | karrotx: touche! |
| 20:52.07 | |fribuntu| | At first (after booting) it works ok for a few minutes, then it freezes and again after several timeouts (another few minutes) it starts working again. |
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| 20:52.30 | keith4 | karrotx: if I had it my way, there would be a 26 user limit, and we'd all have one-letter nicks |
| 20:52.32 | |fribuntu| | error log is here: http://pastebin.com/d4cf86858 |
| 20:52.51 | karrotx | keith4: i rest my case |
| 20:52.52 | |fribuntu| | Can someone explain to me, what the error messages are trying to tell me? I do not speak SATA :( |
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| 20:55.48 | karsten | keith4: http://homepage.mac.com/berkowit28/.Public/Export-Import Entourage/Export-Import Entourage 1310.zip |
| 20:55.55 | karsten | keith4: It's the .dmg inside there. |
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| 20:58.58 | abrotman | uhm .. isn't that someone's email ? |
| 20:59.31 | karsten | keith4: The root problem is exporting a (possibly corrupted) MS Entourage data file (mail + contacts) to a usable format (eg: mbox). For use on OS X. |
| 20:59.36 | CAiRO- | is there a way to stop certain files (data files, eg movies) from getting into linux's file system cache? |
| 20:59.48 | karsten | abrotman: No, that's someone's extraction script for OS X Entourage. |
| 20:59.57 | abrotman | ok |
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| 21:00.11 | karsten | Anyhow, it's OT, already discussing in #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:03.23 | jerbear | i killed apt-get in the middle of an install of msttcorefonts... it appears to be broken, but i can't remove or re-install it |
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| 21:05.55 | darsie | jerbear: maybe dpkg can do it. |
| 21:06.18 | abrotman | jerbear: try dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:06.23 | jerbear | "dpkg -P msttcorefonts" chokes |
| 21:06.27 | jerbear | k |
| 21:06.43 | jerbear | nothing |
| 21:06.46 | darsie | there are force options |
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| 21:07.15 | sperfection83 | bonsoir all |
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| 21:07.52 | jerbear | is there a way to re-install the package? |
| 21:08.04 | pickcoder | does anyone here have experience with the DROP list from SpamHaus? |
| 21:08.15 | keith4 | karsten: see #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:08.27 | abrotman | jerbear: apt-get -f install say anything useful ? |
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| 21:09.12 | jerbear | aptitude reinstall seems to have fixed it |
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| 21:09.38 | jerbear | thanks guys |
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| 21:09.58 | jaj | is there a way to use some form of encrypted file system without loading a kernel module? damn virtualisation... |
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| 21:12.08 | Bakster` | elow |
| 21:13.02 | flyinprogramer | alright |
| 21:13.25 | flyinprogramer | so i'm building a useradd script, and i now need to run a command that logs a user in and out.... can it be done? |
| 21:13.32 | valdyn | jaj: at the very least you need the fuse kernel module |
| 21:13.47 | keith4 | flyinprogramer: anything's possible with 'expect' |
| 21:13.55 | keith4 | or with ssh keys |
| 21:14.00 | flyinprogramer | ideas? |
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| 21:14.19 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: why would you need such a program? |
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| 21:14.59 | pickcoder | I'd use a logout program to kick people off that don't know how to close their terminal apps and disconnect |
| 21:15.12 | flyinprogramer | valdyn because in order for my samba accounts to work the user must login to the system once, and they're shells are set to /bin/false, its more like i just need them to login, cuz they'll be kicked out |
| 21:15.22 | abrotman | su -c ? |
| 21:15.25 | pickcoder | s/don't know how/refuse to listen and do |
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| 21:16.05 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: why must they? |
| 21:16.09 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: what's the point? |
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| 21:16.37 | flyinprogramer | valdyn, idk, but samba isn't working on the accounts i create unless i login one to initialize the unix account i guess? |
| 21:16.45 | xand | that's not correct |
| 21:16.52 | flyinprogramer | maybe its because i fail at life? |
| 21:16.55 | tt | I don't really know where to look but Im searching for a guide to set up a proper mail server. Right now the server is using fetchmail and msmtp. I downloads the mail to /var/mail/tt and I read these mail using mutt that is installed on the server. The thing is that I wan't my laptop to fetch mails from my "mail server". How do I do this? Is there a better way to set up a mail server? |
| 21:18.26 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: that's pretty strange |
| 21:18.35 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: i dont know what the real reason for the behavious you are seeing is |
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| 21:18.56 | brianski | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.00 | brianski | sorry |
| 21:19.32 | flyinprogramer | valdyn, idk either, but i noticed if you run login $username, it works, but its asks for a passwd obviously, and i don't know how to pass the $passwd in bash scripting to a command that is running :( |
| 21:19.43 | DeFirence | !ogg |
| 21:19.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, ogg is a wrapper format, much like avi, which is designed to be streamable and accept a variety of multimedia codecs. It is a Xiph project, patent free and open. Currently, the only widely used codec for Ogg is Vorbis, an audio codec; ask me about vorbis for more information. Ogg files generally end in .ogg. ask me about xiph |
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| 21:20.04 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: you should probably read the samba logs |
| 21:20.10 | DeFirence | !ogg install |
| 21:20.18 | flyinprogramer | maybe, or just accept it |
| 21:20.18 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 21:20.20 | flyinprogramer | and move on |
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| 21:20.36 | flyinprogramer | if someone could tell me how to pass inputs to commands in bash, i'd be done with this |
| 21:20.39 | DeFirence | can any1 tell me what i must apt-get to install ogg? |
| 21:20.44 | DeFirence | i really need ogg |
| 21:20.54 | keith4 | flyinprogramer: i already told you. 'expect' will do what you want, but it's a PITA |
| 21:20.57 | flyinprogramer | DeFirence, ogg is a file format |
| 21:21.11 | DeFirence | checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes |
| 21:21.11 | DeFirence | checking for libogg... not found |
| 21:21.11 | DeFirence | configure: error: must have Ogg installed!(Perhaps you need --with-ogg-prefix=/usr/local) |
| 21:21.12 | flyinprogramer | keith, isn't their an eaiser way? |
| 21:21.15 | keith4 | flyinprogramer: most command line tools won't accept password as an arg, for security reasons |
| 21:21.35 | DeFirence | flyinprogramer, apparently not only a file format :P |
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| 21:21.44 | flyinprogramer | DeFirence, apparently you're not smart |
| 21:21.52 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 21:22.00 | DeFirence | be nice |
| 21:22.05 | DeFirence | help me out? |
| 21:22.10 | stew | flyinprogramer: please keep it constructive |
| 21:22.11 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: or /var/log/auth.log |
| 21:22.16 | flyinprogramer | DeFirence, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg |
| 21:22.20 | fengor | DeFirence: you know about apt-cache search? |
| 21:22.23 | stew | DeFirence: you need to create ogg files or decode ogg files? |
| 21:22.28 | DeFirence | no fengor |
| 21:22.30 | fengor | try apt-cache search ogg |
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| 21:22.44 | DeFirence | kk, ta fengor |
| 21:22.44 | fengor | and look for libogg something |
| 21:22.57 | stew | flyinprogramer: what do you mean by "pass inputs to commands"? |
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| 21:23.01 | gribouille | hi |
| 21:23.08 | gribouille | can someone tell me how I can find the package containing /usr/lib/libcrypt.so ? |
| 21:23.11 | valdyn | stew: what expect does |
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| 21:23.54 | flyinprogramer | stew, when you type "login [username]" at command line it asks for a password, how would i script sending a password to the login command? |
| 21:24.03 | stew | flyinprogramer: you don't want to automate that |
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| 21:24.12 | flyinprogramer | stew, oh but i do |
| 21:24.16 | stew | flyinprogramer: why |
| 21:24.16 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: why dont you use 'su' ? |
| 21:24.17 | DeFirence | ok, maybe im being stupid now, but apt-cache search ogg just gives me a Huge list? |
| 21:24.34 | valdyn | flyinprogramer: beside the whole thing being a silly idea, when you have a real problem elsewhere |
| 21:24.39 | stew | DeFirence: are you trying to create ogg files or play them back? |
| 21:24.40 | flyinprogramer | stew because for some strange reason i need to intialize unix accounts i create to get samba to work |
| 21:24.51 | flyinprogramer | for the accounts |
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| 21:24.55 | DeathWolf | Hum, when I try to start the pure-ftpd I just installed, the init.d script does nothing, and doesnt start the server, no error in logs or in the term, is there any sort of specific way to enable it? |
| 21:25.00 | DeFirence | stew, im trying to install a program |
| 21:25.01 | stew | flyinprogramer: what do you mean by "initialize"? |
| 21:25.02 | DeathWolf | (since obviously it must think it's disabled) |
| 21:25.06 | fengor | DeFirence: try adding | less |
| 21:25.06 | stew | DeFirence: what program? |
| 21:25.10 | ManuP | i want to get dualview work. but i am getting the errormsg: undefined screen "notebook" referenced by ServerLayout "DefaultLayout". how do i fix? |
| 21:25.10 | mmInd | Got a question...can I create a desktop icon (via a script) that will execute top in a terminal? how? |
| 21:25.24 | karmatronic | is there a way to set properly routes on networkmanager-vpn for an openvpn server ? |
| 21:25.32 | flyinprogramer | stew, like login once, because for some reason the accounts don't work until the user logs in for the first time |
| 21:25.33 | DeFirence | http://www.oddsock.org/tools/streamTranscoderV3/streamtranscoderv3-3.1.11.tar.gz |
| 21:25.40 | valdyn | mmInd: xterm -e top |
| 21:25.42 | DeFirence | and i cant find a readme file :/ |
| 21:25.48 | stew | flyinprogramer: figure out why they don't work until the user logs in |
| 21:26.02 | stew | flyinprogramer: perhaps by consulting with #samba |
| 21:26.05 | flyinprogramer | well yah, i could do that |
| 21:26.14 | mmInd | valdyn: how do I make that a desktop icon (in gnome)? |
| 21:26.19 | karmatronic | ManuP: define your screen notebook in the Screen section |
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| 21:26.34 | valdyn | mmInd: rightclick on desktop, create starter |
| 21:26.42 | Coweater | how do I add the debian menu back to my xfce menu? |
| 21:26.55 | DeFirence | stew: i get this error when i ./configure |
| 21:26.56 | DeFirence | configure: error: must have Ogg installed!(Perhaps you need --with-ogg-prefix=/usr/local) |
| 21:27.18 | ManuP | karmatronic, you mean section "screen" ... Monitor "Notebook" ? because that is, whats written there. |
| 21:27.20 | karmatronic | DeFirence: apt-cache libogg and so on |
| 21:27.22 | stew | DeFirence: install libvorbis-dev and use --with-ogg-prefix=/usr |
| 21:27.29 | mmInd | valdyn: is there a way to do this via the command line? |
| 21:27.39 | DeFirence | kk, ill try |
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| 21:27.45 | karmatronic | ManuP: well ,case is important |
| 21:27.49 | valdyn | mmInd: what the hell are you trying to do really? |
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| 21:28.02 | gribouille | PLEASE DON'T ANSWER |
| 21:28.04 | ManuP | karmatronic, i know. |
| 21:28.06 | valdyn | mmInd: a starter is just a text file. |
| 21:28.11 | stew | gribouille: turn off you caps |
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| 21:28.17 | mmInd | valdyn: :) I'm trying to create a script that will create a "top" icon on the desktop |
| 21:28.25 | DeathWolf | Hum... /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql start doesnt do anything but /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql stop says it's stopping. Makes no sense. |
| 21:28.36 | azeem | gribouille: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:28.38 | stew | gribouille: /msg dpkg appt-file |
| 21:28.40 | stew | err |
| 21:28.42 | stew | apt-file |
| 21:28.52 | karmatronic | ManuP: i m syaing that because the first message you mentionned was aboutnote book , not Notebook |
| 21:28.58 | valdyn | mmInd: do wht i said with rightlicking, then examine the file.desktop that is created |
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| 21:29.18 | mmInd | valdyn: oh, so I should be able to create an "example" starter, then just echo that into a file in the script... |
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| 21:29.26 | DeathWolf | and both start/stop dont do anything with /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd |
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| 21:29.34 | mmInd | valdyn: got it...Thanks! |
| 21:29.42 | valdyn | mmInd: sure, easier than reading the .desktop docs |
| 21:29.55 | karmatronic | DeathWolf: check the script, probably something wrong with the top PATH |
| 21:30.08 | Ace2016 | how do i set the xorg keymap? |
| 21:30.26 | ManuP | karmatronic, okay, so sorry. any other ideas? |
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| 21:30.30 | DeFirence | !libmad |
| 21:30.33 | karmatronic | Ace2016: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:30.39 | fyrestrtr | Ace2016: I think xmodmap |
| 21:30.42 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 21:30.43 | stew | DeFirence: check /etc/default/pure-ftpd or something similar |
| 21:30.52 | stew | DeathWolf: check /etc/default/pure-ftpd or something similar |
| 21:30.53 | DeFirence | huh? |
| 21:30.57 | stew | not you, sorry |
| 21:30.57 | DeFirence | oh |
| 21:31.03 | DeathWolf | no such file there :/ |
| 21:31.03 | DeFirence | lol |
| 21:31.15 | DeFirence | stew, now i need libmad it says |
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| 21:31.31 | DeFirence | but i apt-get install libmad0 and it says its newest version already |
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| 21:31.45 | DeFirence | configure: error: must have libmad installed! |
| 21:31.48 | stew | DeFirence: when you are compiling you need a -dev pacakge |
| 21:32.02 | stew | DeathWolf: does "grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf" return anything? |
| 21:32.20 | DeathWolf | ok |
| 21:32.21 | DeathWolf | test -x $DAEMON || exit 0 |
| 21:32.27 | DeathWolf | this is what caused it to not continue |
| 21:32.34 | DeFirence | ahh, thanks |
| 21:32.48 | stew | DeathWolf: so its not running becuase its not installed |
| 21:32.50 | DeathWolf | ah right |
| 21:32.55 | mrtelephone | can you install grub on an alternate device that your going to run as root later? |
| 21:32.56 | DeathWolf | it's inetd |
| 21:32.58 | DeathWolf | that has it |
| 21:33.14 | DeathWolf | disabling it in inetd did not help though. |
| 21:33.16 | stew | mrtelephone: yes |
| 21:33.29 | DeathWolf | Can it be switched to daemon in a "proper" way, or do I have to change directly something else? |
| 21:33.38 | stew | DeathWolf: dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd |
| 21:33.40 | mrtelephone | stew, grub-install /dev/sdb? |
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| 21:33.56 | DeathWolf | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: pure-ftpd is broken or not fully installed |
| 21:33.57 | DeathWolf | cute |
| 21:33.59 | stew | mrtelephone: sure |
| 21:34.08 | DeathWolf | oh wait n/m |
| 21:34.13 | mrtelephone | i hope so :( |
| 21:34.16 | DeathWolf | hum |
| 21:34.23 | DeathWolf | the thing is that I'm using pure-ftpd-mysql |
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| 21:34.37 | stew | DeathWolf: apt-get -f install ; dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:34.38 | DeathWolf | pure-ftpd is a conflicting package since both just use the -common |
| 21:34.41 | DeFirence | ok, now im stuck, ./configure was successful, but i dunno what to do next :( |
| 21:34.51 | stew | DeFirence: read README and/or INSTALL |
| 21:34.55 | DeathWolf | stew: both did nothing |
| 21:35.05 | DeFirence | there is neither!!! |
| 21:35.10 | DeFirence | i tried |
| 21:35.11 | DeathWolf | (well the apt one displayed a few lines doing nothing) |
| 21:35.12 | DeFirence | administrator@debian:~/streamtranscoderv3-3.1.11$ ./install-sh |
| 21:35.12 | DeFirence | ./install-sh: no input file specified. |
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| 21:35.45 | azeem | DeFirence: why do you build stuff if you don't know how? |
| 21:36.00 | DeFirence | cause i need to install the app? |
| 21:36.01 | azeem | DeFirence: read the INSTALL file |
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| 21:36.05 | fyrestrtr | !info flv |
| 21:36.13 | DeFirence | azeem: THERE IS NO INSTALL file |
| 21:36.14 | DeathWolf | $DAEMON is set to /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-mysql in the script though |
| 21:36.29 | azeem | DeFirence: turn off caps |
| 21:36.41 | azeem | DeFirence: then read the README, or the rest of the upstream documentation |
| 21:36.45 | DeFirence | soz, i already said that and u asked again |
| 21:36.51 | fyrestrtr | what codec deciphers flv? |
| 21:36.53 | azeem | DeFirence: as if I read every line in here |
| 21:36.55 | DeathWolf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 155968 2007-02-06 15:19 /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 21:36.58 | DeFirence | theres no docs |
| 21:37.02 | DeFirence | no install |
| 21:37.05 | DeathWolf | why would test -x go wrong on that? |
| 21:37.05 | azeem | DeFirence: so ask the author |
| 21:37.06 | DeFirence | no readme |
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| 21:37.20 | stew | DeFirence: then you ask the author or read the source code, or find a better documented piece of software |
| 21:37.27 | \amethyst | DeathWolf: are you sure it's the test -x line and not something else? |
| 21:37.38 | DeathWolf | right, it's not it |
| 21:37.43 | DeathWolf | I must have checked the wrong file earlier |
| 21:38.03 | stew | DeathWolf: dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-mysql |
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| 21:38.10 | ManuP | lol, i now managed to plug 2 monitors to my pc... but dont know how to use. |
| 21:38.23 | DeathWolf | ok, test "$STANDALONE_OR_INETD" = standalone || exit 0 |
| 21:38.29 | DeathWolf | that's the guilty one |
| 21:38.36 | DeathWolf | And up there it's force defined to inetd |
| 21:38.39 | ManuP | the right monitor is only showing the "ugly" black and white x-server crosses. |
| 21:38.48 | DeathWolf | and dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-mysql doesnt do anything |
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| 21:39.12 | ManuP | the left is normal and i can go with mouse pointer from left to right, but not dragging any windows. how do i use the right monitor? |
| 21:39.22 | stew | DeathWolf: try dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-common |
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| 21:40.12 | mrtelephone | grub says /dev/sdb has no corresponding bios drive |
| 21:40.14 | mrtelephone | ? |
| 21:40.17 | DeathWolf | ah great |
| 21:40.19 | DeathWolf | that worked stew I think |
| 21:40.41 | DeathWolf | yep, awesome |
| 21:40.42 | DeathWolf | thanks |
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| 21:41.18 | DeathWolf | is there any reason why apt-get install didnt propose me the configuration though? |
| 21:42.24 | DeFirence | how do u specify a input file to a shell script? |
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| 21:44.08 | stew | DeathWolf: you must have your debconf severity level set too high, i'd recommend medium, "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
| 21:44.10 | simonrvn | DeFirence: as a 'config' file? source it, one way |
| 21:44.32 | stew | DeFirence: shell-script < inputfile |
| 21:44.44 | DeFirence | ta stew |
| 21:45.36 | DeathWolf | Thanks stew. |
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| 21:46.44 | DeFirence | i just dont get why theres no docs, hundreds of people have installed this program :S |
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| 21:52.34 | ManuP_ | did someone answer my question? cant check other pc atm. |
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| 21:53.01 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all |
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| 21:53.42 | stew | ManuP_: you don't have xinerama enabled, so the monitors are being treated as separate screens instead of sharing them as one large desktop. read the Xinerama howto, likely you just have to enable Xinerama in your ServerLayout section |
| 21:53.50 | ringo999_ | hi. i have a laptop and im switching a lot between networks. right now i have one network with static ip and the other with dhcp. what is the best way to automize/control the network settings? guessnet? |
| 21:54.20 | ringo999_ | also im wondering about the wifi. im tired of always having to type in the wap key... |
| 21:54.42 | tdonahue-laptop | in /etc/network/interfaces, how can i make an interface come up without assigning an ip address to it? |
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| 21:54.47 | tdonahue-laptop | would 'iface eth0 up' work? |
| 21:54.54 | stew | tdonahue-laptop: no |
| 21:55.22 | ManuP_ | stew, i already did that too. but it had no effect. |
| 21:55.44 | ManuP_ | stew, in ServerLayout i wrote Option "Xinemera" "true" |
| 21:56.16 | stew | ManuP_: you can move the pointer from one monitor to the other but not windows? |
| 21:56.25 | ManuP_ | stew, btw, my system crashes if i change from ctrl-f6 to graphic... this wasnt so before :( |
| 21:56.34 | stew | ManuP_: what driver are you using? |
| 21:56.37 | ManuP_ | stew, yes. with and without xinemera |
| 21:56.38 | abrotman | yay fglrx! |
| 21:56.45 | ManuP_ | stew, propri ati driver: fglrx |
| 21:56.49 | xand | how can I find a partition's UUID? |
| 21:57.00 | stew | xand: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 21:57.06 | xand | thanks |
| 21:57.18 | stew | xand: or use hal-dev-manager if you want click-n-drool interface |
| 21:57.35 | xand | what if the disk isn't listed there? is that populated on boot? |
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| 21:57.42 | tdonahue-laptop | stew, can it be done, or should i just through `ifconfig eth1 up` into my rc.local? |
| 21:58.02 | ManuP_ | stew, i can move the pointer from one display to the other, but no windows. |
| 21:58.13 | stew | xand: yeah, its populated by udev on boot. if its not there, try finding the device in the output of "hal-device" |
| 21:58.15 | pluesch0r | evening! what could be the reason for my server using the first aliased interface as outgoing interface, even though i've defined the gateway in the 'real' interface config in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:58.28 | pluesch0r | or, the other way round .. how do i set the default outgoing interface? |
| 21:58.35 | ManuP_ | stew, i tryed with export DISPLAY=:1.0 and 1.1, but didnt work. |
| 21:58.43 | stew | tdonahue-laptop: why do you care if the interface is up if its not going to have an ip address? |
| 21:58.59 | xand | intefaces can be used for things other than tcp/ip |
| 21:59.05 | stew | ManuP_: i'm not going to be too helpful if you are using the proprietary driver. is there some reason you can't use a free driver? |
| 21:59.19 | tdonahue-laptop | stew, i have vmware on the box, and i'm using that for vlan trunks in vmware |
| 21:59.21 | ringo999_ | hi. i have a laptop and im switching a lot between networks. right now i have one network with static ip and the other with dhcp. what is the best way to automize/control the network settings? guessnet? |
| 21:59.24 | pluesch0r | xand: are you talking to me? |
| 21:59.32 | xand | sorry, no |
| 21:59.34 | stew | tdonahue-laptop: then make whatever starts vmware also bring up the interface |
| 21:59.43 | ManuP_ | stew, yeah, i am using beryl (now compiz-fusion or something alike) |
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| 22:00.01 | ManuP_ | stew, i got the monitor working, but cant get windows or a background on it |
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| 22:01.57 | DeFirence | !lame |
| 22:01.57 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:03.21 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me with my keymaps? They got completely screwed up after an upgrade and I don't know what caused it or what to do about it. |
| 22:03.39 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: in what way? |
| 22:04.21 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: my page up, page down are mapped to / and £ respectively. My up is mapped to €. My down is mapped to <Multi_key> and a host of other things |
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| 22:06.15 | ringo999 | hi. i have a laptop and switch a lot between networks. right now i have a network with a static ip and one that uses dhcp. what is the best way to manage/automize network settings? guessnet? |
| 22:06.38 | pickcoder | has anyone had problems with the xt_string netfilter module? |
| 22:06.39 | ringo999 | also, im wondering about the wifi. im tired of having to type the WAP key. |
| 22:06.44 | ManuP_ | stew, i dont know what to search for on google. can u help me? |
| 22:06.54 | EruditeHermit | ringo999: network-manager |
| 22:07.08 | EruditeHermit | ringo999: and either knetworkmanager or network-manager-gnome |
| 22:07.48 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: I am thinking it might be something to do with X as my middle click for paste isn't working either |
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| 22:07.58 | stew | ManuP_: your driver is broken. you need a fixed one |
| 22:08.45 | ringo999 | EruditeHermit: i think i have network-manager-gnome (using xfce4). doesnt that just give me an applet for connecting (nm-applet)? |
| 22:09.01 | EruditeHermit | ringo999: zes |
| 22:09.06 | ManuP_ | stew, brb, restarting xserver for test |
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| 22:09.12 | EruditeHermit | ringo999: yes |
| 22:09.29 | EruditeHermit | ringo999: it also stores wep keys once zou enter them |
| 22:09.59 | pickcoder | it seems that the string matching doesn't work on Etch |
| 22:10.32 | EruditeHermit | ringo999: you'll need gnome keyring installed for that though |
| 22:10.37 | ringo999 | EruditeHermit: also WAP keys, maybe I just havent been patient enough... |
| 22:11.08 | ringo999 | how about the switching between different network settings (static/dhcp)? |
| 22:11.55 | ringo999 | EruditeHermit: keyring is installed. |
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| 22:12.45 | EruditeHermit | ringo999: it allows you to choose between wired and wireless networks. If a wire is plugged it switches to the wired network I think |
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| 22:14.06 | fujihc | exit |
| 22:14.09 | fujihc | bye |
| 22:14.53 | ringo999 | alright. i will check it out tomorrow. thanks. |
| 22:15.19 | pickcoder | is there an active debian kernel chan here? |
| 22:16.08 | stew | pickcoder: #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org |
| 22:16.18 | pickcoder | ok thanks |
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| 22:18.06 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
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| 22:22.50 | Coweater | why would sensible-browser be running my www-browser when i'm in gnome? i'm running two x sessions through gdm and this is the second one, that's the only thing i could think of |
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| 22:24.36 | Lightning | evening, was looking around this morning for an issue with "grub grub grub..." on the screen. currently everyone says to turn the hd from auto to user but my asus motherboard does not allow that |
| 22:24.52 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: see what xkeycaps says for starters |
| 22:25.01 | Lightning | it does allow specifying auto or large for the drive size. anyone willing to lend a hand? i'm in the rescue mode of the install |
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| 22:28.41 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: it says that up is print screen, down is right alt |
| 22:29.02 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: but why? |
| 22:29.25 | EruditeHermit | some of the keys are just not set |
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| 22:31.12 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: most likely you've managed to pick the wrong keyboard |
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| 22:31.38 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: you can use xkbsel-aw to pick the right one, and then you'll have to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to match the correct one |
| 22:31.45 | dondelelcaro | (or just xkbsel) |
| 22:32.05 | DeFirence | !debian-multimedia |
| 22:32.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 22:32.47 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:32.47 | DeFirence | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 22:32.47 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
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| 22:33.30 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: it says map name not set |
| 22:33.32 | _yannick | how do I chown a directory including subdirs and all files |
| 22:34.17 | EruditeHermit | _yannick: chown -R for recursive |
| 22:35.37 | DeFirence | !<apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 22:35.51 | DeFirence | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 22:35.51 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 22:36.07 | et | /msg dpkg apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 22:36.13 | et | for the next time ;) |
| 22:36.22 | DeFirence | kk, soz :) |
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| 22:37.00 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: one more thing, those keys work from a console. Only X has the problems |
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| 22:37.16 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: right, X has a totally different keyboard map than the console |
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| 22:38.19 | DeFirence | wow, i cant believe all that worked :o normally when i do stuff shit just gos wrong |
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| 22:38.32 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: in any event, you want something like xkbsel -s xfree86; |
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| 22:39.18 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: map xfree86 not found in database |
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| 22:39.37 | DeathWolf | Is there any reason debian's lighttpd package would ignore my include_shell directive in the lighttpd conf? |
| 22:39.42 | DeathWolf | include_shell "/usr/share/lighttpd/create-mime.assign.pl" => Completly ignored. |
| 22:40.24 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: what about xkbsel -s 'xfree86(us)'; ? |
| 22:40.34 | dondelelcaro | EruditeHermit: if not, then xkbseldb -l|less; and find one that's like xfree86(us). It's possibly called xorg or something. |
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| 22:42.45 | Coweater | that's pretty neat how gnome-www-browser gets set to galeon when i just installed the iceweasel gnome support |
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| 22:42.56 | Coweater | (don't have galeon installed) |
| 22:43.12 | DeathWolf | It's kind of insane.... |
| 22:44.29 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: it errored out |
| 22:44.57 | DeathWolf | include_shell "/usr/share/lighttpd/include-conf-enabled.pl" => This one doesnt even get run either. |
| 22:45.00 | DeathWolf | No trace of it in the log. |
| 22:45.03 | DeathWolf | Very disturbing. |
| 22:45.51 | n3kl_ | Anyone know where I can get a debian kernel for i568> |
| 22:45.54 | n3kl_ | ? |
| 22:46.08 | EruditeHermit | dondelelcaro: brb this is scary |
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| 22:46.42 | abrotman | n3kl_: the -486 kernels will work |
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| 22:47.31 | n3kl_ | I missed the point of my question. I am looking for a xen kernel for i586 or i486. |
| 22:48.10 | abrotman | you missed ? |
| 22:48.37 | n3kl_ | abrotman: as in, I did not specify that I was looking for a xen kernel. |
| 22:48.45 | DeathWolf | Is there anyone using lighttpd and etch around? |
| 22:48.50 | abrotman | oh |
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| 22:50.26 | Hurga | hmm... blacklisting of module matroxfb_base does not work for me. Does someone have an idea how I can test blacklisting? |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | still? |
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| 22:53.36 | ben_goodger | hooray, gimp 2.4 was just released |
| 22:53.40 | Hurga | abrotman: Yes. |
| 22:53.41 | node_6 | with the default samba installation, I am having trouble getting smbclient -L localhost to work. I enter my password and it gives me NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
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| 22:54.23 | EruditeH1rmit | dondelelcaro: hey, the xkbsel thing didn't work |
| 22:54.25 | DeathWolf | hum, how do I force clean the state of a package? |
| 22:54.33 | DeathWolf | apt-get remove didnt remove the conf records |
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| 22:54.48 | abrotman | DeathWolf: man apt-get .. see purge |
| 22:54.52 | Hurga | abrotman: About the ONLY way to get rid of it so far was renaming and rebuilding initrd. If it's eithe rin initrd or in file system, I get the module (and distorted video). |
| 22:55.00 | EruditeH1rmit | dondelelcaro: couldn't write keyboard description to 0,0 |
| 22:55.19 | abrotman | Hurga: well .. it definitely shouldn't be in your initrd if you don't want it |
| 22:55.24 | DeathWolf | thx |
| 22:55.49 | DeathWolf | hum Something is wrong. |
| 22:55.56 | DeathWolf | I purge completly lighttpd, and apt-get install lighttpd |
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| 22:55.58 | Hurga | abrotman: Fun thing is that it's only activated after mounting root, in both cases. |
| 22:56.00 | DeathWolf | it starts the server fine |
| 22:56.05 | DeathWolf | but the default conf is broken. |
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| 22:56.17 | DeathWolf | And serves octet-stream because the include_shell directive is not read in the conf. |
| 22:56.32 | DeathWolf | Either the package is broken, or it's dependent on something that's not indicated:/ |
| 22:56.44 | DeathWolf | There's no error or warnings... |
| 22:56.55 | DeathWolf | (talking of 1.4.13-4etch4) |
| 22:57.18 | DeathWolf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/lighttpd this one |
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| 22:57.55 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 22:57.55 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian (8h 32m 32s), last said: 'dpkg: ldp'. |
| 22:58.05 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
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| 22:58.29 | abrotman | yeah .. that's hard to see |
| 22:58.37 | rocketma1net | hi, what's a common dvd ripper for etch ? |
| 22:59.27 | ben_goodger | dvd::rip is quite nice |
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| 22:59.40 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
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| 23:00.10 | amphi | rocketma1net: vobcopy? mencoder? |
| 23:00.15 | DeathWolf | Sigh, stupid broken lighttpd. Makes me regret ports sometimes:/(Though the opposite is very true too..) |
| 23:01.01 | yigal | can I make a package called gnome-yigal that takes the place of the package gnome but doesn't include as a dependency rhythmbox? |
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| 23:01.43 | Hurga | abrotman: Well, I consider the broken blackisting to be a bug. What do you think, should I report it? |
| 23:01.54 | docsnuggles | DeathWolf: Have you got someting like "include "mime.conf"" in your lighttpd.conf |
| 23:01.54 | abrotman | if you can isolate the issue |
| 23:02.02 | EruditeH1rmit | dondelelcaro: sorry my comp is difficult to navigate with the missing keys |
| 23:02.18 | yigal | Hurga: you still haven't been able to get the framebuffer module out sorry to hear |
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| 23:02.37 | abrotman | Hurga: you did the dpkg-reconfigure on your debian kernel ? |
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| 23:03.17 | DeathWolf | docsnuggles: let me try, I did not try a direct include(copying the output worked though) |
| 23:03.58 | Hurga | abrotman: does it do anything but rebuilding the initrd? |
| 23:04.00 | docsnuggles | DeathWolf: I use my own lighttpd.conf because I had problems with the dist-conf |
| 23:04.13 | Hurga | doesn't look like it.. |
| 23:04.15 | yigal | can I make a package that will successfully install called gnome-yigal that takes the place of the package gnome but doesn't include as a dependency rhythmbox? |
| 23:04.19 | abrotman | Hurga: rebuilds the kernels initrd blacklist |
| 23:04.28 | abrotman | !tell hurga about initramfs-blacklist |
| 23:04.31 | DeathWolf | docsnuggles: nope, include doesnt work either |
| 23:04.34 | Hurga | well ok, one more try. |
| 23:04.37 | abrotman | erm |
| 23:04.43 | abrotman | !tell hurga about blacklist-initramfs |
| 23:04.46 | DeathWolf | the only thing that works is direct copy in the lighttpd.conf file |
| 23:04.56 | DeathWolf | both include and include_shell directive are ignored |
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| 23:05.43 | DeathWolf | I tried to apt-get source it but it does the same |
| 23:06.04 | Insolit | hi anyone knows if Western Digital Mybook World Edition is compatible with linux? |
| 23:06.22 | dalias | huh? |
| 23:06.26 | dalias | what is that? |
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| 23:06.32 | Insolit | a NAS drive |
| 23:06.34 | abrotman | Insolit: isn't that a USB HDD ? |
| 23:06.38 | dalias | NAS? |
| 23:06.44 | abrotman | network attached storage |
| 23:06.48 | Insolit | abrotman: no world edition has a ethernet port |
| 23:06.51 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:07.06 | abrotman | Insolit: doesn't it share files via CIFS? |
| 23:07.07 | dalias | it probably just uses smb |
| 23:07.20 | dalias | ok i'll shut up |
| 23:07.25 | dalias | abrotman seems to know more |
| 23:07.29 | Insolit | my doubt is if ill be able to connect it to my router and access it like a network share |
| 23:07.39 | Insolit | abrotman: mh let me check |
| 23:07.45 | abrotman | Insolit: i would imagine so .. got a website ? |
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| 23:08.36 | Insolit | http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=278 |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | http://westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=347 |
| 23:08.40 | abrotman | i was close :) |
| 23:09.13 | Insolit | can't find what protocol it uses |
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| 23:09.50 | abrotman | be pretty crappy if it were proprietary |
| 23:10.06 | Insolit | but it scares me to read a review that says we must install software in windows and then the drive will be mapped |
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| 23:10.46 | node_6 | how can I mount.smbfs something and allow all users to access the share? (mount must be done as root which causes 755 root:root) |
| 23:11.03 | MolePrince | Hi! I was hoping someone could give me some pointers on setting up a bluetooth adapter on Debian please. It is a Zoom 4312 pcmcia card, and I have loaded the hci_uart and serial_cs modules, but I'm not sure where to go from there. |
| 23:11.45 | abrotman | Insolit: looks liek the setup app might be windows only .. |
| 23:11.56 | Insolit | yes it seems |
| 23:12.07 | Insolit | i just read it can be hacked to allow ssh login |
| 23:12.13 | Insolit | but that's not what i want |
| 23:12.28 | Insolit | seems this ain't a good solution |
| 23:13.10 | abrotman | Insolit: well .. the manual does mention mapping the drive like normal .. so maybe it works with normal smb tools |
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| 23:13.23 | abrotman | Insolit: seems like it could be an expensive brick :) |
| 23:13.43 | Insolit | there's an alternative from LaCie products |
| 23:13.52 | Insolit | let me check it, ill show it to you right away |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | doesn't Buffalo sell the same kind of devices ? |
| 23:16.17 | Insolit | abrotman: lovely :D http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=10843 |
| 23:16.24 | Insolit | this is exactly what i want :D |
| 23:16.41 | abrotman | that one seems to work with linux |
| 23:16.52 | Insolit | abrotman: don't know Buffalo devices |
| 23:17.02 | Hurga | abrotman: ok, fun. I verified that module blacklisting works, just not for matroxfb_base |
| 23:17.14 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
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| 23:17.53 | abrotman | Insolit: i see a bunch at newegg |
| 23:18.00 | Insolit | yes Buffalo sells this kind of devices as well |
| 23:18.08 | Insolit | abrotman: what's newegg |
| 23:18.13 | abrotman | newegg.com |
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| 23:19.13 | Insolit | buffalo products are very expensive :) |
| 23:19.30 | Insolit | and ordering from US is a problem |
| 23:19.37 | Insolit | unfortunately |
| 23:20.03 | abrotman | didn't know your locale |
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| 23:20.30 | Insolit | I'm from Portucal, and ordering stuff outside Europe is a problem |
| 23:20.36 | Insolit | always have to pay extra fees |
| 23:21.02 | Insolit | anyway thanks a lot :D now i'm sure i won't but My Book product |
| 23:21.15 | abrotman | ah .. maybe amazon? :) |
| 23:21.59 | Insolit | abrotman: found nice stuff in ebay :) |
| 23:22.03 | abrotman | ok |
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| 23:22.37 | liable | ooh, they finally realised aiglx compatable fglrx |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | slow boat! |
| 23:23.03 | liable | i only just woke up! |
| 23:24.01 | abrotman | maybe instead of sighing .. you should be blacklisting! |
| 23:24.42 | abrotman | Hurga: maybe ask #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:24.52 | Hurga | well, if I blacklist 3 modules and it workd for 2... what would you say... |
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| 23:25.26 | suwro | hello |
| 23:25.41 | suwro | doesn /etc/network/interfaces use ifconfig or ip ?? |
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| 23:26.46 | sam1337 | Hi guys, does debian lenny have the nvidia driver packages in it's repositories yet? |
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| 23:27.12 | wols_ | sam1337: nvidia drivers are in contrib and non-free like always |
| 23:27.24 | abrotman | wols_: lenny is busted or some crap |
| 23:27.26 | wols_ | suwro: ip2 iirc |
| 23:27.46 | wols_ | abrotman: oh, it works fine with 2.6.18 I think :) |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:27.55 | wols_ | and: it's testing. why wouldn |
| 23:28.00 | wols_ | why wouldn't it be busted? |
| 23:28.13 | suwro | wols_: i was wondering if /etc/network/interfaces config file is using ifconfig or ip. |
| 23:28.24 | wols_ | anyone who wants to run testing is supposed to be able to fix it btw |
| 23:28.31 | wols_ | suwro: and I told you what it was using afaik |
| 23:28.39 | suwro | oh |
| 23:28.43 | suwro | ty |
| 23:28.45 | suwro | :) |
| 23:28.53 | wols_ | suwro: why don't you look at the script(s) yourself? |
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| 23:29.30 | suwro | wols_: then - how do i add 2 ip's to the same eth device from /etc/.../interfaces ?? |
| 23:29.49 | abrotman | eth0:1 etc |
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| 23:30.12 | suwro | ip2 allow eth0 for example to have 2 ip's without to add eth0 and eth0:1 |
| 23:30.12 | wols_ | !beer abrotman |
| 23:30.50 | suwro | wols_: if i use ip, i can add multipe ip to one device. (i've done that already) |
| 23:31.32 | suwro | wols_: is this possible from interfaces ?? |
| 23:31.34 | wols_ | do you want candy for that achievement? |
| 23:31.47 | wols_ | with a script: sure |
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| 23:32.20 | abrotman | I DO! |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 23:32.37 | suwro | wols_: ok - i'll use rc.local then. |
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| 23:39.02 | chump | is there a graphical module manager on debian ? |
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| 23:41.01 | snacky | chump: dselect! ahahaha! I am completely serious! |
| 23:41.33 | eldowan | chump: aptitude kpackage synaptic |
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| 23:41.53 | Nyle | GRANT! |
| 23:42.02 | eldowan | Nyle: dude, whats up? |
| 23:42.02 | Nyle | my main man dude homie bro |
| 23:42.31 | Nyle | eldowan: I just got home from work. Its time to move on from this job |
| 23:42.52 | eldowan | Nyle: private |
| 23:42.54 | Nyle | sick of doing jobs, need a career. My family is on my ass about picking something and finishing my degree. But I don't know what to pick! |
| 23:42.57 | Nyle | word |
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| 23:46.11 | Nyle | eldowan: you want to check your messages? :) |
| 23:46.47 | eldowan | Nyle: you're posting to the channel |
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| 23:47.04 | Arafangion | Nyle, eldowan: You both registered to nickserv and identified? |
| 23:47.06 | Nyle | eldowan: no I'm not, and I've identified so I have no isses |
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| 23:47.10 | Nyle | issues* |
| 23:47.16 | eldowan | /msg nickserv identify Duracell8899 |
| 23:47.22 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:47.29 | Nyle | thats gotta suck |
| 23:47.31 | eldowan | woops, now I need to change the word |
| 23:47.39 | chump | i have another question ... would you consider a ncurse program to be graphical ? |
| 23:47.51 | Arafangion | snacky: Hang on there, maybe we should come to an agreement, see who should take the account? |
| 23:47.54 | snacky | chump: it depends on the art quality to some degree! |
| 23:48.01 | snacky | Arafangion: you can have it but I get the next one. |
| 23:48.02 | _vvd | chump: colorful :) |
| 23:48.07 | chump | hehe |
| 23:48.21 | eldowan | Nyle: Hmm. I forgot how to identify myself... |
| 23:48.31 | Nyle | nickserv identify stuff |
| 23:48.44 | ameyer | eldowan is lucky I didn't ghost him |
| 23:49.02 | ameyer | unless the password's no longer what he told us it was |
| 23:49.05 | Arafangion | snacky: Are you sure? |
| 23:49.24 | Arafangion | ameyer: How about you find out and ghost him, then we'll toss a coin to decide who owns it? |
| 23:49.33 | chump | because my teacher want me to find a graphical module-assistant like program .. but in my opinion module-assistant is quite graphical |
| 23:49.34 | Nyle | eldowan: msg me when you get around to it |
| 23:49.41 | ameyer | heh |
| 23:49.47 | ameyer | Arafangion: that'd be mean |
| 23:50.00 | chump | well thanks guys for your help ;) |
| 23:50.02 | ameyer | although I almost decided to find out |
| 23:50.07 | snacky | eldowan: we need you to decide for us whether I get your account, or if Arafangion gets it |
| 23:50.19 | chump | have a nice evening |
| 23:50.38 | Arafangion | ameyer: Dont' worry, by deduction, Turing states that eldowan might as well be a bot. |
| 23:50.38 | eldowan | hmmm. thats a toughie |
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| 23:50.55 | ameyer | oh crap |
| 23:51.05 | eldowan | ameyer: shame on you |
| 23:51.39 | ameyer | eldowan: /msg nickserv identify oldpassword |
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| 23:52.04 | ameyer | eldowan: then /msg nickserv set password newpassword |
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| 23:52.15 | ameyer | eldowan: I think |
| 23:52.28 | eldowan | ameyer: You are took ind |
| 23:52.38 | Arafangion | eldowan: The joke got too painful. :( |
| 23:52.40 | ameyer | eldowan: sorry for the ghosting |
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| 23:53.12 | eldowan | all in good phun, all in good phun |
| 23:53.29 | Arafangion | irc clients really should check if there is a space infront of the command. Most good ones already do flood checking, anyway. |
| 23:53.53 | ameyer | Arafangion: none that I know of do |
| 23:54.04 | Arafangion | ameyer: irssi does flood protection by default. |
| 23:54.20 | ameyer | that's why I have an /identify alias and a /ghost alias |
| 23:54.45 | Arafangion | ameyer: That is, if you paste 10 lines, it requires that you hit ^c for it to actually send. |
| 23:54.52 | ameyer | Arafangion: I mean protect against /msg nickserv identify thisismypassword |
| 23:54.55 | Arafangion | ameyer: Not a bad idea, though I /hate/ configuring software. |
| 23:55.05 | eldowan | I knew I should have not typed in my ID in the channel. I usually do it somehwere else... live and learn I guess. |
| 23:55.05 | Arafangion | Ahh, yes, hence teh "should". |
| 23:55.21 | Arafangion | eldowan: It was all because you had a space infront of the /msg |
| 23:55.36 | ameyer | worst case, I /identify into the channel |
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| 23:59.37 | gbp | hi guys, a question re xdmcp: i am logged into a 2.6.18 debian etch box from a windows workstation via xdmcp (X 7.1.1, gdm 2.6.14), it's great.. however keyboard shortcuts that I want to use in X are not working - eg ctrl+alt+<left or right arrow> to switch workspaces and alt+fX to switch between terminal sessions. I searched google web and usenet and can't find anything useful, do you have any tips? |
