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| 00:01.15 | eldowan | Arafangion: heh. |
| 00:01.23 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:01.36 | n_np | is there a debian firewall solution that does auto intrusion prevention n whatnot? |
| 00:02.19 | stew | n_np: what is "auto intrusion prevention"? |
| 00:02.28 | eldowan | Arafangion: ameyer: thank you both for calling me on the mistake, I actually appreciate it. hopefully I've learned a lesson and won't do it again. |
| 00:02.34 | n_np | just a firewall that blocks all ports except for certain ones |
| 00:03.07 | stew | n_np: the linux kernel has one built in that can be configured in such a way, its called "netfilter" and is controled via "iptables" |
| 00:03.29 | stew | n_np: if you "apt-cache search iptables" you'll find lots of things to help you set up iptables rules to configure it |
| 00:05.13 | Atalanta | guys, is there another kernel popularly used with GNU besides hurd or linux? |
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| 00:05.27 | Arafangion | Atalanta: Several. |
| 00:05.35 | Nyle | bsd kernel |
| 00:05.36 | Arafangion | Atalanta: minix, freebsd, and openbsd. |
| 00:05.39 | stew | Arafangion: freebsd |
| 00:05.57 | Arafangion | stew: Try typing in more than one letter before hitting tab. ;) |
| 00:07.13 | Atalanta | freebsd is a kernel? |
| 00:07.24 | stew | !debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 00:07.24 | dpkg | it has been said that debian gnu/kfreebsd is a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html |
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| 00:08.17 | ameyer | Atalanta: I think OSX uses a bastrdized Mach kernel, and some people run the GNU userland on OSX |
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| 00:08.48 | bigup | hi all debian rocks ! |
| 00:09.06 | Arafangion | ameyer: It has no less than three separate threading systems! |
| 00:09.20 | stew | !debian gnu/kfreebsd =~ s#http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html#http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/# |
| 00:09.21 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 00:10.13 | ameyer | Arafangion: is that as nasty as it sounds? |
| 00:11.19 | Arafangion | ameyer: In practice? No, I don't think so. :) |
| 00:11.20 | ameyer | (most people use the standard (I think FreeBSD-derived) userland on OSX, but apparently it is possible to run GNU on it) |
| 00:11.45 | ameyer | I'd let it be if I had a Mac, to be honest |
| 00:11.47 | Arafangion | ameyer: When I had mac os x, I ran fink on it. worked extremely well. |
| 00:11.54 | stew | most people run the windows userland on win2k3 but it is possible to run gnu userland on it |
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| 00:12.13 | ameyer | Arafangion: isn't fink just a port of BSD ports? |
| 00:12.24 | karsten | ameyer: OS X 'Nix userland == Darwin, which is derived from fBSD. There's Darwin Ports (more fBSD) and Fink (Debian package management tools, OS X-specific ports) as well. |
| 00:12.31 | karsten | ameyer: No, it's a bastard child. |
| 00:12.54 | karsten | Where'd the userland discussion start? |
| 00:12.58 | Arafangion | ameyer: It's more correctly a port of a selection of debian packages, using apt. |
| 00:13.32 | karsten | Arafangion: Fink's own docs say it's OSX-specific ports using some of the Debian packaging tools. |
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| 00:13.50 | karsten | Arafangion: The packages themselves aren't Debian-derived, necessarially. |
| 00:14.07 | Arafangion | karsten: Not all of them, of course. Debian's packages are complicated by the glibc assumption. |
| 00:14.14 | Arafangion | karsten: Not a clue which libc fink uses. |
| 00:14.26 | karsten | Arafangion: /join #fink ;-) |
| 00:14.37 | Arafangion | karsten: No, I should be heading off to uni. ;) |
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| 00:15.00 | karsten | Arafangion: I was looking into that, I think you need the OSX developer kit for Fink, need to research. |
| 00:15.02 | ameyer | well, anyway, OSX-related chat's offtopic here anyway |
| 00:15.05 | _vvd | where can i browse deb sources like debian/rules for say - lenny? |
| 00:15.09 | gbp | Arafangion: sydney uni? |
| 00:15.17 | Arafangion | karsten: naturally, but that's easy. |
| 00:15.28 | Arafangion | gbp: No. |
| 00:15.34 | karsten | _vvd: Do a source install of teh package. |
| 00:15.40 | Arafangion | gbp: There's more than one uni in my timezone. |
| 00:16.13 | _vvd | karsten: thing is. i use etch. but i want to build a package from lenny. will that work anyway? |
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| 00:16.38 | Arafangion | _vvd: Backport it. |
| 00:16.40 | _vvd | guess i gotta "fix" things |
| 00:16.44 | Arafangion | gbp: I'm canberrian. |
| 00:17.03 | gbp | oh ok |
| 00:17.06 | karsten | Arafangion: ANU then. CISRO? |
| 00:17.23 | Arafangion | karsten: *CSIRO, and no, I go to University of Canberra. |
| 00:17.33 | karsten | Arafangion: ... and don't worry, we'll forgive you ;-) |
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| 00:17.44 | karsten | Arafangion: Right. No worries. |
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| 00:17.48 | gbp | Arafangion: you know anything about xdmcp? not sure if you say the question I posted here about 20 mins ago. |
| 00:17.54 | gbp | *saw |
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| 00:18.04 | Arafangion | gdp: Not really. |
| 00:18.10 | gbp | kk |
| 00:18.31 | Arafangion | gbp: I always used x11 forwarding, and ssh. |
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| 00:19.15 | _vvd | Arafangion: step by step please :) how would you backport pidgin. grab the source package, edit rules etc and build a package? |
| 00:19.21 | lymeca | I LOVE DEBIAN |
| 00:19.27 | Arafangion | !simple-sid-backport > _vvd |
| 00:19.41 | gbp | Arafangion: my xdmcp is working ok, just having some troubles with keyboard shortcuts for switching desktops (ctrl+alt+left/right arrow) and alt+fX inside my session. |
| 00:20.05 | Arafangion | gbp: As I said, I really don't know, and I don't have to time to find out anyway. :( |
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| 00:20.26 | gbp | :) np |
| 00:20.53 | _vvd | Arafangion: there came no message from the bot, yet. maybe the "_" in my nick? |
| 00:21.13 | Arafangion | gbp: And fyi, Uni of Canberra is an extreme MS-shop. :( |
| 00:21.18 | Arafangion | _vvd: Then msg it yourself. ;) |
| 00:21.22 | _vvd | !simple-sid-backport |
| 00:21.39 | Arafangion | _vvd: I probably stuffed up the syntax. |
| 00:21.52 | _vvd | hmm, nothing |
| 00:21.58 | _vvd | :) |
| 00:21.58 | Arafangion | !simple sid backport |
| 00:21.59 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 00:22.03 | _vvd | ah |
| 00:22.36 | vvd | !simple-sid-backport |
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| 00:23.37 | vvd | thats easy! and fully automated!? |
| 00:23.57 | vvd | and fail-proof ;) |
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| 00:25.21 | yigal | Hey thanks for not helping me make a package that will successfully install called gnome-yigal that takes the place of the package gnome but doesn't include as a dependency rhythmbox? |
| 00:25.32 | yigal | could of at least told me about dpkg-deb |
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| 00:26.43 | wols_ | yigal: you're welcome |
| 00:26.51 | yigal | wols_: :) |
| 00:26.54 | wols_ | yigal: do you want your money back? |
| 00:27.24 | yigal | wols_: everything myself is sometimes more than I can handle. |
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| 00:27.46 | wols_ | never fear. dpkg will be there for you |
| 00:27.49 | wols_ | !comfort yigal |
| 00:27.49 | dpkg | There, there, yigal. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:28.30 | yigal | wols_: ty, its just as a desktop user it becomes challenging to way the pros of freedom vs. work using Debian some other prepackaged distro. owell |
| 00:28.40 | yigal | s/way/weigh |
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| 00:29.37 | techouse | i installed compiz and all the other things that it needs... now where can i configure it in kde? |
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| 00:30.05 | jmichaelx | yigal, if you are going to use a distro like debian, or even something less "prepackaged", you had better be prepared to read and not count on finding answers to all of your questions in irc |
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| 00:30.18 | yigal | techouse: compiz or compiz fusion which repos. did you use? |
| 00:30.30 | techouse | i found only compiz |
| 00:30.36 | techouse | lenny repos |
| 00:30.44 | yigal | techouse: I believe that is compiz |
| 00:30.55 | yigal | techouse: use the Debian wiki just google it |
| 00:31.09 | techouse | hmm |
| 00:31.11 | techouse | ok |
| 00:31.28 | techouse | i searched packages.debian.org and found no compiz fusion |
| 00:31.48 | techouse | even for sid and experimantal |
| 00:31.53 | Arafangion | yigal: As Ubuntu gets better, it becomes harder and harder to choose between the two for desktop, but imho, Debian will always be better for server and development. |
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| 00:33.23 | yigal | jmichaelx: its not that I have to find the solution to most of my problems by myself but practically all problems |
| 00:34.34 | yigal | Arafangion: I like Debian because it doesn't have sugar on top of unrefined flower |
| 00:35.02 | yigal | Arafangion: it has unrefined flower for the most part although some of the material is quite refined and I enjoy that |
| 00:35.28 | jmichaelx | yigal, that may be, and i am not trying to put you down, but finding most of the answers on your own is just a part of it. if you cannot adapt to that, you should consider ubuntu, openSUSE or Mepis, etc. |
| 00:35.40 | Arafangion | yigal: Afaik, many debian developers are also ubuntu developers, I prefer Debian because #debian's users have a clue, where #ubuntu is generally clueless. (For example, I've yet to find a single person know what the heck upstart is - ubuntu's OWN init program!) |
| 00:35.52 | vvd | how come that "aptitude search pidgin" finds nothing but "apt-get build-dep pidgin" gives me an error about a missing dep. for libsilc-dev? |
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| 00:36.28 | dondelelcaro | vvd: because you have a deb-src entry but no deb entry for it. |
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| 00:37.03 | freetos | does anybody know what i need to install to watch avi files? |
| 00:37.10 | dondelelcaro | freetos: mplayer, xine, etc. |
| 00:37.19 | vvd | ic. seems not trivial to backport pidgin |
| 00:37.37 | vvd | +to be |
| 00:37.54 | Arafangion | freetos: gxine, iirc. |
| 00:37.57 | jmichaelx | is pidgin not in etch? |
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| 00:38.18 | Ronin | jmichaelx: no its not |
| 00:38.19 | vvd | not, but gaim 2.0.0beta5 is good too |
| 00:38.21 | Ronin | !pidgin |
| 00:38.22 | dpkg | methinks pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 00:38.31 | jmichaelx | ok, i had forgotten |
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| 00:38.55 | yigal | Arafangion: I agree totally with this. The user base of Ubuntu - this is off topic but I will continue a little - is very problematic. Those who do know something in that setting are hard to find because their voices are drowned by noobs and people who are loud but not thoughtful. So yes, Debian still has advantages to Ubuntu and other distros, but sometimes :) |
| 00:39.27 | Arafangion | yigal: Meanwhile, until #debian improves, I hang over in #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org. ;) |
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| 00:39.53 | _rockstar | I've got a bunch of clients on my network. A wii, two NDSes, two macs, various Linux boxes, and a Nokia 770. I'm using dhcp3-server straight out of the etch repo, but only the linux boxes will get an IP address |
| 00:39.54 | ameyer | well, #ubuntu's a freaking nightmare |
| 00:40.10 | jmichaelx | yigal, one advantage of learning on ubuntu, though, is that their forums are great... they contain the answers to VERY many issues you are apt to encounter. |
| 00:40.32 | _rockstar | A tcpdump shows the server is providing a DHCPOFFER, but it doesn't get acknowledged by the client. |
| 00:40.32 | Ronin | jmichaelx: and ours dont? :) |
| 00:40.35 | _rockstar | Anyone know why? |
| 00:40.45 | ameyer | pfft, Google's the best Linux tech support provider... |
| 00:41.03 | Ronin | Arafangion: ya we need more spam in our inboxs heh |
| 00:41.11 | Arafangion | Ronin: Easy to filter. |
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| 00:41.19 | Ronin | this coming from someone on 4? i think lists |
| 00:41.28 | Arafangion | Ronin: And you could just get more than one email address. |
| 00:41.40 | Arafangion | Ronin: aliases, rather. |
| 00:41.58 | jmichaelx | Ronin, debian forums are also very good, but i find things off and on in the ubuntu forums that i have not been able to find anywhere else.... just from the sheer number of users. i do not discount debian forums in any way , though |
| 00:42.13 | Ronin | Arafangion: no thanks i have enough all ready, between the drop box on hotmail, zworg, gmail, my isp and my mta i don't know if im coming or going, oh ya work too |
| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | most of the serious help for Debian happens on mailing lists, not forums |
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| 00:42.40 | Arafangion | Ronin: Those all suck. Get your own domain name and either host it yourself, or buy a host. |
| 00:43.03 | Ronin | Arafangion: nothing wrong with gmail, and you missed the part of my mta :) |
| 00:43.24 | Ronin | well nothing much wrong with it or zworg other then being in someone elses control |
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| 00:43.52 | Arafangion | Ronin: Heh, very well. :) I am currently using a commercial host myself, it's really nice having someone else maintain the spam filters. ;) |
| 00:43.53 | stew | sometimes i wish my mail were under someone elses control |
| 00:43.56 | _rockstar | Hey, anyone have an idea how I can troubleshoot non-linux clients not getting an IP from a ISC dhcp server (dhcp3-server)? |
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| 00:44.26 | Ronin | stew: true that would have benefits "hey, im getting xxx spam fix my filters etc." heh |
| 00:44.35 | yigal | jmichaelx: true many a time I must swim through the gobs of thoughtless jibber jabber in Ubuntu forum after making a number of google searches on my projects, but the answer eventually lies within 10 pages of pain |
| 00:44.59 | wols_ | stew: easy. install windows and soon it will be :) |
| 00:45.00 | Arafangion | Anyway, I'm off, for real. |
| 00:45.05 | stew | heh |
| 00:45.21 | yigal | Arafangion: best |
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| 00:49.25 | brianski | has sarge been end of lifed yet? |
| 00:49.35 | wols_ | no |
| 00:49.41 | brianski | oh nice |
| 00:49.46 | wols_ | not until next year in april or so |
| 00:49.46 | jmichaelx | yigal, LOL |
| 00:49.50 | brianski | ah ok |
| 00:49.55 | jmichaelx | yigal, i know the feeling |
| 00:50.13 | brianski | so i upgraded those 16 machines for nothing :) oh well, the other 12 will be much less of a hassle come april |
| 00:50.27 | Ronin | brianski: not at all, saved you from doing it later |
| 00:50.45 | brianski | Ronin: yea, that was the implication of the second half of my sentence |
| 00:51.29 | gbp | WOW, kde doesn't have any default keyboard shortcut for moving through desktops |
| 00:51.48 | gbp | do people really click between desktops? so slow |
| 00:52.21 | brianski | gbp - i click between sometimes but it's pretty rare |
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| 00:52.28 | jaj | fluxbox FTW |
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| 00:56.10 | vvd | hey, i kinda like a full featured DE |
| 00:57.15 | jmichaelx | for me, my DE is all about my mood :-D. i usually have 2 or 3 fully configured DEs on each machine |
| 00:57.42 | vvd | hehe, i use them all! |
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| 00:58.10 | _rockstar | Is there a DHCP server diagnostic like using nc to connect to a port or something? |
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| 00:58.26 | _rockstar | tcpdump has yielded nothing |
| 00:59.03 | darioco | hi, is anyone here able to help cross compile something, i can't compile djgpp |
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| 00:59.42 | Szeraax | is it possible to use 2 network cards connected to a router to increase speed? I doubt it as of current, but to be able to, would do you all think would need to happen? the router need to know which 2cards are at a comp and software on comp to rearrange packets to right order? |
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| 01:00.05 | Szeraax | i bet sounds confusing... |
| 01:00.09 | Szeraax | that* |
| 01:00.32 | _rockstar | Szeraax, you can bind the two interfaces together to act as one interface |
| 01:00.46 | darioco | anyone |
| 01:00.47 | darioco | ??? |
| 01:00.51 | darioco | please!!! |
| 01:01.00 | karsten | !tell darioco about smart questions |
| 01:01.10 | karsten | !tell darioco about enter |
| 01:01.19 | Szeraax | _rockstar: would that actually increase speed? (assuming that wireless cards are the bottleneck and not site or router? |
| 01:01.26 | gbp | Szeraax: what rockstar said is also commonly used on servers for redundancy incase of a faulty switch, nic or ethernet cable, so if one drops out the other will continue to function |
| 01:01.28 | darioco | what?? |
| 01:01.35 | karsten | darioco: Your urgency isn't our problem. Pose a well-presented question in an appropriate forum. This may not be the place. |
| 01:01.40 | Szeraax | gbp: ah. thank you |
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| 01:01.57 | _rockstar | darioco, google "debian cross compile" |
| 01:02.05 | darioco | i did that |
| 01:02.10 | _rockstar | That should help you set up your toolchain. |
| 01:02.24 | darioco | i cant compile djgpp |
| 01:02.26 | Szeraax | darioco: unless it doesn't _have_ to be debian. |
| 01:02.41 | Szeraax | if its linux, you can try various other channels too |
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| 01:02.47 | karsten | darioco: Well, you can have us pull the information out of you bit by bit, or you could tell us what you've done, and what has or hasn't worked, with specific commands and error output. |
| 01:02.53 | darioco | i'm trying to compile libcaca (ascii art library) for dos |
| 01:02.55 | _rockstar | darioco, sounds like a djgpp problem. |
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| 01:03.28 | darioco | but i cant compile djgpp i'm getting an error in the make process |
| 01:03.54 | darioco | i searched the web and i didn't find anything that works for me |
| 01:04.06 | karsten | darioco: pastebin the error. Post the URL. |
| 01:04.07 | darioco | i've applied patches, but nothing works |
| 01:04.12 | karsten | !tell darioco aboput pastebin |
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| 01:04.46 | karsten | darioco: Mind: I'm not a coder/developer, so I can't help you with the problem. I'm just trying to get a useful question out of you. |
| 01:05.20 | darioco | good, i got to go to my linux box, i'll be back in a sec |
| 01:05.53 | gridl0ck | having an issue with apt-get dist-upgrade - can someone have a look at this and provide instructions correcting this please and thanks - http://pastebin.ca/747434 |
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| 01:06.57 | techouse | when i run compiz it ust freezes X |
| 01:07.04 | techouse | just* |
| 01:07.11 | techouse | any ideas why? |
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| 01:07.19 | gravity | techouse: What driver? |
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| 01:07.46 | techouse | the latest from the repos |
| 01:07.51 | techouse | for lenny |
| 01:08.00 | karsten | gravity: Well, mplayer has an unmet dep, so it's not being upgraded. That's actually good behavior. Your option is to sleect a different install target for mplayer. |
| 01:08.01 | gbp | techouse: black screen or is x restarting over and over? |
| 01:08.02 | vvd | are there any statistics about stable and testing users? which one is used more? it seems like testing is used a lot more |
| 01:08.04 | kgoetz | gridl0ck: did you install mplayer froma 3rd party? |
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| 01:08.18 | gravity | ... |
| 01:08.21 | techouse | no....just all the menues are gone and i can't click any thing |
| 01:08.26 | gravity | karsten: Huh? |
| 01:08.45 | gravity | techouse: What video driver are you using? |
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| 01:08.51 | kgoetz | karsten: you want gridl0ck i think |
| 01:08.53 | gravity | "The latest" tells me nothing |
| 01:09.00 | gridl0ck | kgoetz, no sir |
| 01:09.01 | techouse | one sec |
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| 01:09.43 | gridl0ck | kgoetz, did however install it under etch wonder if that has anything to do with it |
| 01:09.49 | techouse | nvidia-glx 1.0.8.776-4 |
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| 01:09.53 | darioco | hi again |
| 01:09.57 | techouse | nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 |
| 01:10.08 | gravity | Ok, I don't know then. nvidia-glx is out of my domain. |
| 01:10.21 | techouse | what then? |
| 01:10.24 | gridl0ck | karsten, just read your answer - will have a look - thanks |
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| 01:11.04 | kgoetz | gridl0ck: what are you runing? |
| 01:11.15 | gridl0ck | Hostname: lnrad - OS: Linux 2.6.22-2-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) D (2400.000 MHz) - Processes: 207 - Uptime: 4d 3h 36m - Load Average: 0.61 - Memory Usage: 352.76MB/3042.56MB (11.59%) - Disk Usage: 129.43GB/1093.50GB (11.84%) |
| 01:11.19 | gridl0ck | as in that? |
| 01:11.47 | darioco | ok whenever i try to compile gcc as cross compiler with djgcc the make gives me |
| 01:11.50 | darioco | make[2]: *** [getpwd.o] Error 1 |
| 01:12.03 | darioco | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/darsel/djgpp/gcc/i386-pc-msdosdjgpp/libiberty' |
| 01:12.14 | darioco | make[1]: *** [all-target-libiberty] Error 2 |
| 01:12.22 | vvd | i wonder how much more stable is stable than testing. |
| 01:12.23 | darioco | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/darsel/djgpp/gcc' |
| 01:12.31 | techouse | gravity: should i install the latest drivers from nvidia.com? |
| 01:12.33 | kgoetz | gridl0ck: what release of debiann? `lsb_modules -i` |
| 01:12.40 | vvd | and i wonder if my sentence made snse |
| 01:12.41 | darioco | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 01:12.45 | darioco | and that's it |
| 01:12.54 | karsten | gravity: Go back to sleep. Laggy connection. |
| 01:13.04 | karsten | kgoetz: yep. |
| 01:13.09 | karsten | kgoetz: ... and more tea. |
| 01:13.11 | k0001 | what's the 'd' in drwxr-xr-x ? |
| 01:13.17 | vvd | directory |
| 01:13.30 | darioco | so i can't cross compile anything |
| 01:13.32 | karsten | vvd: And I always thought it was "danger". |
| 01:13.34 | darioco | help!!!!! |
| 01:13.41 | vvd | karsten: lol |
| 01:13.42 | gridl0ck | kgoetz, lenny/sid - that command returns invalid |
| 01:13.44 | k0001 | vvd, lol, thanks =) |
| 01:13.58 | DeathWolf | how can I find out if grsec is running?(it's a grsec kernel from what I see, but I'm not finding any grsec tools/devs) |
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| 01:14.26 | karsten | DeathWolf: lsmod or check for any related /proc entries? |
| 01:14.38 | DeathWolf | /proc/modules: No such file or directory |
| 01:14.53 | DeathWolf | and nothing in /proc that could be suspicious |
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| 01:15.22 | kgoetz | gridl0ck: for the record, i meant ` lsb_release -d` (just tested it) |
| 01:15.24 | karsten | DeathWolf: http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php |
| 01:15.28 | karsten | DeathWolf: /dev/grsec |
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| 01:15.46 | kgoetz | gridl0ck: not sure what your problem is, there might be updates still on th way, try again later i guess :) |
| 01:15.55 | gridl0ck | kgoetz, aye - Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (lenny) |
| 01:15.56 | karsten | DeathWolf: /proc/self/ipaddr should give the remote IP of a person starting a given process. |
| 01:16.03 | DeathWolf | crw-rw---- 1 root root 1, 13 2007-10-15 22:26 /dev/grsec |
| 01:16.08 | karsten | DeathWolf: Several other features. |
| 01:16.10 | DeathWolf | it exists, but is it really there... |
| 01:16.10 | yumigator | Using cpufrequtils, do I have to add something to the boot scripts for it to restore settings on startup? |
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| 01:16.20 | yumigator | Because if I do, I'll just use /sys instead. |
| 01:16.24 | gridl0ck | kgoetz, sounds good to me - just haven't seen an error in a while was wondering if i did something odd |
| 01:16.51 | kgoetz | gl |
| 01:16.56 | karsten | DeathWolf: man 4 grsec |
| 01:17.08 | DeathWolf | no such entry here |
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| 01:17.23 | DeathWolf | I'm having a very weird problem with lighttpd, basically it wont run properly the conf loading perl scripts and mime types loading ones. |
| 01:17.30 | yumigator | nevermind, I just found it already has its own bootscript |
| 01:17.30 | DeathWolf | which are in include_shell directives |
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| 01:17.41 | gravity | techouse: I doubt it |
| 01:17.41 | gridl0ck | kgoetz, thanks |
| 01:18.00 | DeathWolf | stracing it revealed this: 26245 execve("bash", ["bash", "-c", "/var/www/create-mime.assign.pl"], [/* 25 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 01:18.05 | DeathWolf | the file does exist though |
| 01:18.11 | karsten | DeathWolf: Might check to see if that manpage even exists, but it would tell you how to use the file. |
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| 01:18.29 | DeathWolf | it's just insanity |
| 01:18.32 | DeathWolf | permissions are fine too |
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| 01:18.38 | DeathWolf | Maybe it's not finding bash, but that's even worse. |
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| 01:18.46 | karsten | DeathWolf: strace is your friend. |
| 01:18.56 | karsten | DeathWolf: Doh. |
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| 01:19.26 | DeathWolf | according to someone who did the same he gets: execve("/bin/bash", ["/bin/bash", "-c", "echo var.test=1"], [/* 36 vars */]) = 0 |
| 01:19.32 | DeathWolf | Which does not error. |
| 01:19.33 | karsten | DeathWolf: how about /var/www/create-mime.assign.pl? |
| 01:19.37 | DeathWolf | So it is a path problem I think. |
| 01:19.42 | DeathWolf | The files are all there with correct permissions |
| 01:19.47 | karsten | OK. |
| 01:19.47 | DeathWolf | perl/bash/the pl |
| 01:20.19 | DeathWolf | ok |
| 01:20.23 | DeathWolf | the problem is $SHELL probably |
| 01:20.27 | DeathWolf | mine is set to "bash" |
| 01:21.05 | DeathWolf | yep |
| 01:21.13 | DeathWolf | if I set $shell to /bin/bash it works fine |
| 01:21.37 | karsten | DeathWolf: Are you currently execing a csh / tcsh / zsh shell? |
| 01:21.46 | DeathWolf | nope, only bash. |
| 01:22.07 | karsten | Hrm. $shell (vs $SHELL) is a cshism. |
| 01:22.22 | DeathWolf | I meant $SHELL |
| 01:22.39 | DeathWolf | who sets it? |
| 01:22.42 | karsten | What was $SHELL set to previously? |
| 01:22.48 | DeathWolf | "bash" |
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| 01:22.51 | karsten | DeathWolf: man bash. |
| 01:22.56 | DeathWolf | when I set it to "/bin/bash" it was all good |
| 01:23.56 | karsten | DeathWolf: man bash. "If it is not set when the shell starts, bash assigns to it the full pathname of the current user's login shell." |
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| 01:24.06 | DeathWolf | so something set it.. |
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| 01:25.47 | techouse | i get this error when i type compiz --replace |
| 01:25.49 | techouse | Fatal: Failed test: texture_from_pixmap support |
| 01:25.49 | techouse | Checks indicate that it's impossible to start compiz on your system. |
| 01:25.52 | schemelab | How does I get my Apache2 server on Debian/Etch 4.0 to have suexec enabled? |
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| 01:27.28 | DeathWolf | and it works perfectly now. |
| 01:27.39 | DeathWolf | Somehow my bashrc in etc was set to force bash >< |
| 01:27.52 | DeathWolf | I think I'm going to have a word with the only other root access to that serv. |
| 01:28.21 | schemelab | ok /etc/apache2/mods-enabled has it |
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| 01:30.27 | wols_ | techouse: compiz isn't in debian etch either so this is hardly surprising |
| 01:30.46 | gravity | Yes it is |
| 01:30.51 | wols_ | gravity: no |
| 01:31.17 | techouse | what then? lenny? |
| 01:31.18 | gravity | wols_: http://packages.debian.org/etch/compiz |
| 01:31.23 | gravity | wols_: I know it's there because I put it there |
| 01:31.37 | karsten | !win gravity |
| 01:31.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, gravity! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:32.11 | techouse | brb |
| 01:32.13 | wols_ | gravity: and what drivers will it use? |
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| 01:32.28 | gravity | wols_: Whatever drivers are in use by mesa and X |
| 01:32.37 | gravity | compiz doesn't really choose the driver |
| 01:32.49 | gravity | It just makes sure that certain features are supported |
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| 01:33.08 | wols_ | just that the nvidia ones won' support it, at least not the ones in etch |
| 01:33.22 | gravity | I doubt that |
| 01:33.42 | gravity | Although it's possible, but I recall AIGLX being supported by nvidia before the etch release |
| 01:33.50 | wols_ | you will need 9xxx drivers at least |
| 01:33.55 | gravity | And I *definitely* know that davidr developed compiz and xgl under nvidia's drivers |
| 01:33.58 | techouse | so what now the compiz from the etch or lenny repos or compiz-fusion? |
| 01:34.13 | wols_ | rt |
| 01:34.22 | wols_ | techouse: doesn't matter. first you need supported drivers |
| 01:34.59 | gravity | techouse: You probably want to use compiz-fusion. The compiz in lenny is pretty old. |
| 01:35.00 | techouse | well....i got some app that makes deb packages from nvidia drivers :) |
| 01:35.05 | gravity | We've not been keeping up there. |
| 01:35.14 | techouse | :D |
| 01:35.17 | gravity | God, fucking nvidia |
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| 01:35.39 | wols_ | techouse: those won't be supported here. good luck |
| 01:35.55 | wols_ | not to mention they usually break your debian |
| 01:36.00 | karsten | gravity: Can we quote you on that? |
| 01:36.00 | techouse | yeah |
| 01:36.10 | gravity | seriously |
| 01:36.27 | slidesinger | Has anyone here used laptop-netconf? |
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| 01:36.32 | unclekev | sounds like its almost as bad as RPM :P |
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| 01:36.43 | techouse | well...for now i hev nvidia-glx + a compiled nvidia kernel |
| 01:36.53 | techouse | have* |
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| 01:38.24 | techouse | ok...i'll get me sid drivers |
| 01:38.31 | techouse | cross your fingers |
| 01:38.35 | gravity | Bad idea |
| 01:38.36 | techouse | :P |
| 01:38.38 | edison04 | I, i try to install Debian 4.0r1 with the floppy but the foppy can't boot. i did an md5sum of that floppy and i have no error. I try to install it on a p133 Mhz does it's still supported ? |
| 01:38.39 | gravity | Don't do that |
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| 01:38.43 | techouse | why not? |
| 01:38.50 | gravity | The Xorg in unstable had an ABI bump. You'll need to upgrade all of X. |
| 01:38.59 | gravity | And you don't want to do that right now |
| 01:39.00 | techouse | oh |
| 01:39.06 | techouse | damn! |
| 01:39.23 | techouse | what then? |
| 01:39.33 | gravity | Don't use compiz for now |
| 01:39.38 | techouse | browse the web? |
| 01:39.38 | gravity | I think you'll survive |
| 01:39.41 | techouse | well |
| 01:39.42 | techouse | yeah |
| 01:39.50 | techouse | but i was some compiz video |
| 01:39.56 | techouse | and my debian hot horny |
| 01:39.58 | gravity | Find something more productive to do. There's about a zillion other cool things on your system that do work. |
| 01:39.59 | techouse | :) |
| 01:40.07 | karsten | edison04: What is bootable on that system? |
| 01:40.25 | techouse | i just might have done something wrong |
| 01:40.30 | gravity | Learning to program opengl is fun |
| 01:40.35 | slidesinger | I am constantly hooking my laptop up into different network environments and am looking for it to automatically reconfigure both wireless and wired interfaces without having to think about it. Any suggestions? |
| 01:40.36 | karsten | edison04: Sounds like you've got very old, possibly broken HW. I'd suggest you spend $40 and upgrade to a PIII 800 MHz system instead. |
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| 01:40.39 | wols_ | erm, nvidia drivers from unstable worked fine in etch 2 weeks or so agao. and afaik thy didn't upgrade in sid since then... |
| 01:40.56 | karsten | edison04: That said: boot something, anything, and do a chroot install (see the debian install guide for how). |
| 01:40.58 | edison04 | karsten, the debian 3.0.23 boot well |
| 01:41.01 | wols_ | I sid drivers will work in etch after you fix the dependencies (sid wants sid libc6 even when it's not needeed) |
| 01:41.05 | karsten | edison04: chroot == debootstrap. |
| 01:41.11 | karsten | edison04: then upgrade that. |
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| 01:42.16 | techouse | how come there's no lenny nvidia-glx? |
| 01:42.22 | Lightning | anyone want to help me troubleshoot some boot issues on a new install? i've been using debian for years but i'm a bit baffled |
| 01:42.39 | karsten | !tell Lightning about ask |
| 01:42.43 | karsten | !tell Lightning about smart questions |
| 01:42.59 | Lightning | trying to think of how to word it without being too wordy |
| 01:43.24 | wols_ | techouse: using sid nvidia drivers is doable |
| 01:43.26 | Lightning | have a new box, use to have win2k on it. has 2 sata controllers, bios only allows auto or none for the drive finding so i can not set user mode. |
| 01:43.35 | karsten | Lightning: Posting specific error messages is good. Pastebin as appropriate. |
| 01:44.04 | techouse | if something bad happens i can still pin back to the old ones |
| 01:44.06 | techouse | :) |
| 01:44.18 | edison04 | karsten, so if my floppy boot debian 3.0.23 and my md5sum it's sound like floppy boot process of debian has changed ? |
| 01:44.21 | Lightning | writing grub to the mbr of hd0 results in win2k continuing to boot. writing grub to the mbr of hd2 (where win2k is installed) results in "grub" being repeated on the screen |
| 01:44.36 | edison04 | *my md5sum is right |
| 01:44.49 | karsten | edison04: More likely you've got a bad or marginal disk and/or drive. |
| 01:44.59 | Lightning | reinstalled and selected lilo for the boot option, installed lilo to /dev/sda (hd0) and continued to get "grub" repeated. installed lilo to /dev/hdc and now win2k is back |
| 01:45.37 | karsten | Lightning: info / pinfo grub will give you the grub info pages which have a troubleshooting / error messages page. |
| 01:45.41 | Lightning | the grub repeat, when searching on the net, says to select user mode and specify the drive info. i'm unable to do this. i do wish to dual boot both |
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| 01:45.55 | Lightning | karsten, already checked that. told me to do what i can not |
| 01:46.13 | Lightning | what confused me is why when i installed lilo to /dev/hdc, win2k came back, no lilo prompt |
| 01:46.21 | karsten | Lightning: Usually failure to get a grub prompt indicates issues reading / specifying partitions. |
| 01:46.27 | Dewi | I need to buy a SATA controller. SiL stuff has worked well for me, but seems to have issues with drives over 500GB. |
| 01:46.31 | Dewi | Anyone got any recommendations? |
| 01:46.35 | triplc | yeah... i have the "same" naming problem with sata... the cdrw drive change the id all the time, and each time running wodim (cdrecord) i have to run wodim -scanbus |
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| 01:47.33 | Lightning | karsten, according to the various troubleshooting pages, "grub" being repeated on the screen is due to grub re/reading the mbr and the bios auto detecting the drive resulting in it and causing a loop. the only fix ever listed is to specify user for the drive and give the drive params instead of the bios auto detecting. i'm only allowed auto or none hence trying lilo |
| 01:47.42 | Lightning | but lilo now just gives me win2k with no lilo prompt |
| 01:48.38 | edison04 | karsten, that strange because i can boot all floppy before 3.0.23. Probably that floppy don't recognize the new boot process. If my floppy can't boot probably other peoples can have the same problem to :\ |
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| 01:52.56 | karsten | edison04: It's not teh floppy recognizing the boot process. It's the other way around. |
| 01:53.01 | Lightning | so no ideas? |
| 01:53.21 | karsten | Lightning: I generally work through teh troubleshooting steps. |
| 01:53.40 | edison04 | karsten, so probably the bios or some thing ? |
| 01:53.46 | Lightning | karsten, that is the problem. i've worked thru steps but steps for grub i can not do and lilo just seems unresponsive |
| 01:54.46 | karsten | edison04: The simple test is to 1) try teh floppy on another system adn 2) try another floppy on the same system. |
| 01:54.52 | karsten | edison04: I suspect the disk or the drive. |
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| 01:56.11 | wols | why would grub reread a MBR? |
| 01:56.18 | wols | why would grub reread a MBR? |
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| 01:57.47 | karsten | wols: You could say that again. |
| 01:57.51 | karsten | wols: ...and did. |
| 01:59.20 | edison04 | karsten, what i can do is do an dd on the computer who can't boot like dd if=/dev/fd0 of=img_to_test; md5sum img_to_test ; and compare the result |
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| 01:59.58 | techouse | is it safe to use an ubuntu package in debian? |
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| 02:00.34 | wols | techouse: no |
| 02:00.45 | techouse | ok |
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| 02:02.27 | Dewi | anyone got any recommendations for SATA controllers? |
| 02:02.29 | Dewi | I don't need RAID |
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| 02:02.37 | Dewi | I just need it to support big disks (>65536 cylinders) |
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| 02:03.28 | unstable | Is there a simple way to test my hard disk drive for bad sectors etc, if I don't have a disc/disk drive in my machine? |
| 02:03.49 | unstable | Is there like a memtest-like line, I can put in menu.lst for grub, except it would be e2fsck or something |
| 02:04.04 | unstable | Since I can't do e2fsck if I only have one disk, since it will be mounted |
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| 02:08.46 | liable | touch /forcefsck and reboot |
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| 02:10.44 | unstable | liable: The kernel looks for an empty file called forcefsck in root, and if it finds it..it does a fsck? |
| 02:11.02 | unstable | liable: How do I get out of the fsck? Do I need to delete that file? |
| 02:12.17 | edison04 | Help i try to install debian etch with floppy of potato because the floppy of etch won't boot. What download url i have to use because the default url does not found the package |
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| 02:12.24 | vevais | hello |
| 02:12.35 | vevais | need some help plz ^^ |
| 02:13.07 | vevais | vlc starts without titlebar: http://fotofox.de/pic/m9512.jpg |
| 02:13.24 | vevais | only when i run it using fluxbox |
| 02:13.30 | pipeline | Dewi: avoid sil :P |
| 02:13.31 | vevais | with gnome it works |
| 02:13.35 | pipeline | Dewi: er,r silicon image |
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| 02:14.36 | pipeline | vevais: something you configured in fluxbox. Delete ~/.fluxbox is an easy solution :) |
| 02:14.56 | vevais | i didnt change anything but ok |
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| 02:15.00 | vevais | i'll try |
| 02:15.05 | liable | unstable: yes, it removes the file after the fsck |
| 02:15.19 | Le-Moche | Hi i want to install screen , if someone could help me thank you |
| 02:16.07 | cockroach | hey, little question: for some reason, since my last reboot i keep getting segfaults when i try to run xrdb ("cpp: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1)") - any idea, anyone? i'm running a mixture of stable and testing, so the problem might lie there... |
| 02:16.31 | vevais | wtf |
| 02:16.40 | vevais | there is no .fluxbox directory ^^ |
| 02:18.02 | Dewi | pipeline: heh |
| 02:18.08 | Dewi | pipeline: at least they work in linux |
| 02:18.14 | Dewi | pipeline: I can't find anything else that I'm sure would work |
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| 02:18.35 | Dewi | pipeline: but my SiL controllers won't do big disks. Although I'm looking at firmware updates now... |
| 02:18.52 | edison04 | Help i try to install debian etch with floppy of potato because the floppy of etch won't boot. What download url i have to use because the default url does not found the package : with the url http://http.us.debian.org/debian i get msg "The server was unavailable or contained no realease file" ? |
| 02:19.33 | vevais | well fuck that |
| 02:19.39 | cockroach | okay, fixed it - just reinstalled cpp from stable, it seems the version from testing got somehow installed... |
| 02:19.40 | vevais | i just changed to another interface |
| 02:19.41 | regulate | can anyone tell me why my mouse has no x-axis |
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| 02:21.02 | edison04 | regulate, ps2 or usb ? |
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| 02:21.08 | regulate | usb |
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| 02:22.07 | regulate | can't move it horizontally for some reason, worked fine yesterday |
| 02:22.14 | ameyer | o_O |
| 02:22.28 | ameyer | wonder if the hardware's FUBAR |
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| 02:23.20 | edison04 | regulate, it look like your mouse is death |
| 02:23.21 | regulate | hardware's fine |
| 02:23.26 | regulate | just tested it. |
| 02:23.30 | edju | Trying to setup wireless, and running /etc/init.d/networking restart, I always get a DHCPRELEASE to the wrong IP. Don't know where that IP is coming from. Any hints? |
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| 02:24.22 | osmosis | how do I get the original /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf back? Do i need to dpkg-reconfigure snmp? or? |
| 02:24.23 | cadu | hello, how can i use apt-get to reinstall a package [force-reinstall]....???? i've overwritten some libGL dlls and would like to revert those to the original |
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| 02:25.30 | edison04 | regulate, hum... i don't know |
| 02:25.42 | regulate | well, what protocol should i be using |
| 02:25.47 | regulate | in xorg.conf |
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| 02:29.40 | Lightning | sweet! got lilo to work :) |
| 02:30.10 | Lightning | too bad everything else failed |
| 02:30.16 | regulate | hmmm. works fine with gpm in console |
| 02:33.00 | techouse | i have tu update some opengl thing...maybe that'll do the trick |
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| 02:33.51 | freetos | how can i query a file to determine what packagename it belongs to as well as the version number of that package? |
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| 02:37.48 | Xenguy | freetos: dpkg -S filename... |
| 02:38.07 | Xenguy | freetos: else, apt-get install apt-file, and use that |
| 02:38.35 | freetos | thanks |
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| 02:38.47 | Xenguy | yw |
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| 02:39.10 | regulate | anyone know tools to troubleshoot a usb mouse? |
| 02:39.23 | grimlock | so question |
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| 02:39.51 | grimlock | anyone know if cymphonix has permission to use debian on their bandwidth composers they sell? |
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| 02:40.24 | grimlock | cause i was just given an old model by my boss |
| 02:40.28 | grimlock | and i tore it apart |
| 02:40.31 | wols | no one needs permission from debian |
| 02:40.48 | grimlock | its a debian machine with squid and dans guardian |
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| 02:41.03 | grimlock | wols my question is, they are using it as a closed source solution |
| 02:41.25 | grimlock | they do not offer the ability to download the source, or a completed package |
| 02:41.50 | grimlock | someone here has to know more about GPL than i |
| 02:41.59 | grimlock | a i recall, thats bad |
| 02:42.02 | grimlock | as* |
| 02:42.24 | infernix | anyone know if an ocfs2 filesystem can simply be moved to another disk by unmounting it and some dd if=olddisk of=newdisk magic? |
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| 02:42.37 | tdrusk | How can I add a startup program to kde? |
| 02:42.49 | wols | grimlock: then tell it to a copyright holder |
| 02:42.55 | wols | or gpl-violations.org |
| 02:43.06 | grimlock | including open source material in a closed source project, selling it, and not giving any reference to the people who wrote the oss |
| 02:43.06 | freetos | i'm using stow to install some library pacakges, if i install them to /usr/local/stow/lib do i need to do anything like tell something that that's where they live? |
| 02:43.19 | grimlock | k |
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| 02:44.52 | daveinthesky | freetos: Add the path to $LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
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| 02:45.28 | freetos | how would i do that? |
| 02:45.39 | tdrusk | How can I add a startup program? |
| 02:45.42 | RoC_MasterMind | I have a box with 2 NICs, I have it routing through Firestarter (which is controlling the IP tables firewall I suppose). Anybody got a good solution they use for traffic shaping/QoS? I can't reformat the box and want something relatively easy, but flexible. |
| 02:48.02 | daveinthesky | freetos: add "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/stow/lib" to ~/.bashrc |
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| 02:50.43 | freetos | daveinthesky: thank you |
| 02:51.02 | FarrisG | I've got several boxes with ext3 filesystems. I've recently begun using ACLs on these file systems, and each time I've had to reboot after I added the "acl" option in fstab before setfacl would work. However, now I need to enable ACLs on a box that I cannot reboot right now. Any idea what actually happens at boot to enable ACLs after I've added the option to fstab? |
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| 02:52.44 | freetos | daveinthesky: have you used stow before? |
| 02:53.38 | regulate | what other strings should i try for protocol option in xorg.conf |
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| 02:55.17 | Azar | abrotman: if ATI/AMD release a new flgrx driver, that does not mean it's free, right? |
| 02:57.33 | regulate | depends on what license they use when they release it. |
| 02:57.48 | Azar | meh open but that does not mean is free |
| 02:58.05 | regulate | vice versa |
| 02:58.54 | Azar | AMD's press release had stated: "In the coming months AMD also plans to accelerate efforts to address the needs of the open source community as well." |
| 02:59.14 | Azar | so it's an open driver but not a free driver |
| 02:59.23 | Azar | not applicable to Debian |
| 02:59.47 | RoC_MasterMind | uh Azar that sounds like "better support" or a "updated driver", but not free |
| 02:59.53 | RoC_MasterMind | open and Free are the same. |
| 02:59.54 | Azar | meh not even included in the 2.6.23 kernel yet |
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| 03:00.02 | RoC_MasterMind | our needs may be "a driver period" |
| 03:00.04 | ameyer | as I understand it, they're releasing specs |
| 03:00.22 | RoC_MasterMind | limited |
| 03:00.23 | Azar | RoC_MasterMind: no, open does not mean free |
| 03:00.50 | RoC_MasterMind | Can you explain Azar ? |
| 03:00.58 | ameyer | which presumably means fglrx is going to be discontinued once there's a semi-usable FLOSS driver |
| 03:01.02 | Azar | RoC_MasterMind: fortunately, "our needs" don't allways comply with the free software movement |
| 03:01.31 | ameyer | RoC_MasterMind: yeah, only 2d so far, but they're allegedly going to release 3d specs someday |
| 03:01.43 | Azar | RoC_MasterMind: open source software often allows the use of proprietary drivers, free software never recommends it |
| 03:02.03 | RoC_MasterMind | Azar, they are the same, check the license. |
| 03:02.17 | ameyer | 2d's a lot more important for a driver that's practically starting from scratch |
| 03:02.19 | Azar | RoC_MasterMind: nope , no, they are not the same |
| 03:02.33 | Azar | FSF is not same as OSI |
| 03:02.47 | RoC_MasterMind | Of course not. |
| 03:02.58 | ameyer | Free can mean free as in "no cost" or free as in "freedom" |
| 03:02.59 | Azar | well finally you made it :) |
| 03:03.08 | ameyer | gratis or libre |
| 03:03.15 | RoC_MasterMind | we mean both of course |
| 03:03.23 | ameyer | Azar: one's a bunch of freedom nazis, one's not... |
| 03:03.34 | ameyer | heh, "freedom nazi" |
| 03:03.35 | Azar | ameyer: free software in no way mean :free as in "no cost" |
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| 03:03.53 | ameyer | Azar: it can |
| 03:04.02 | RoC_MasterMind | It would be stupid to make a driver but not give it to the people with your hardware. |
| 03:04.08 | Azar | free software as in "no proprietary" free to use, modify and distribute |
| 03:04.26 | Azar | RoC_MasterMind: who make the driver? |
| 03:04.41 | RoC_MasterMind | We are talking about the vendor here. |
| 03:04.51 | Azar | the vendor does not make the driver |
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| 03:05.00 | Azar | think harder |
| 03:05.25 | snacky | santa! |
| 03:05.28 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:06.16 | regulate | so anyone know how to debug xorg's mouse handling stuff. |
| 03:06.40 | Azar | the manufacturer of the hardware makes the driver for the devices, passes the device+driver to the vendor and the vendor say: for use with a microsoft windows OS only. Else you are on your own, no warranty for non-windows software |
| 03:07.16 | RoC_MasterMind | That's not hardware suport at all. |
| 03:07.42 | Azar | RoC_MasterMind: yep because the manufacturer and vendor are tied with contracts by microsoft |
| 03:08.01 | ameyer | y'know, it's probably a good thing they're not opening FGLRX, specs are more useful than a mostly non-functionl driver |
| 03:08.09 | ameyer | *non-functional |
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| 03:08.36 | ameyer | although my really old laptop with ATI graphics works surprisingly well |
| 03:08.44 | Azar | RoC_MasterMind: so if the linux distros developers ask the manufacturer to open the code and let them peek in order to adapt it to linux, the manufacturer say no, even tho they sold you the device |
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| 03:09.18 | Azar | so that is non-free/proprietary software driver |
| 03:09.19 | RoC_MasterMind | I'm quite familiar with this |
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| 03:09.35 | regulate | i'm using fglrx |
| 03:09.37 | regulate | i dont care |
| 03:09.47 | ameyer | and closed-source Linux drivers are probably illegal |
| 03:09.48 | regulate | it crashes all the time |
| 03:09.58 | regulate | probably not |
| 03:10.25 | Azar | now Open Source linux distros bow/bend and pick the leftover bones the manufacturer throws at them, even it is still proprietary, Free Software will not do that, Debian will not do that either |
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| 03:11.46 | ameyer | well, hopefully ATI's decision regarding Linux support works out well for them and nVidia does it too |
| 03:12.13 | Azar | as a customer I boycott those companies (Nvidia, ATI) that refuse to release the code to free software cuz they sell me a video card that I can't use as I want to |
| 03:12.39 | simonrvn | i'm using one, but i haven't spent a dime on it |
| 03:12.45 | Azar | :) |
| 03:12.49 | ameyer | I'm waiting to build a new computer until the dust clears from ATI's spec release |
| 03:12.56 | Azar | that's the way to do it |
| 03:12.57 | regulate | Azar: how is making the code free suddenly make your card work in linux? |
| 03:13.21 | simonrvn | it's called writing code with open specs... |
| 03:13.26 | Azar | regulate: simple, the linux developers can make a free driver out of it, and even a better one |
| 03:13.46 | regulate | Azar: can the linux developers do that with specs? |
| 03:13.47 | simonrvn | instead of reverse engineering the binary blob, and painstaking process of taking it apart |
| 03:13.54 | ameyer | I'd really love to use an AMD processor in my next computer, but that's not currently possible |
| 03:13.57 | regulate | Azar: have you seen some of ati's code? |
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| 03:14.10 | Azar | regulate: no, ati will not show it up |
| 03:14.14 | regulate | Azar: it will take ages to adapt it into something worthy of commiting to the kernel |
| 03:14.18 | simonrvn | regulate: yes. see any RFC, and code base on them. |
| 03:14.27 | simonrvn | regulate: code base based* |
| 03:14.30 | ameyer | unless intel releases standalone GPUs |
| 03:14.42 | regulate | soon |
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| 03:15.09 | ameyer | which'll happen the day after Duke Nukem Forever comes out and GNU/HURD becomes usaable |
| 03:15.19 | regulate | soon we'll have programmable fpga's so general that you can simply flash it with your program and have it do network, graphics whatever controls |
| 03:15.22 | Azar | ahhhhhhh Hurd... |
| 03:15.36 | ameyer | Linux kinda stole HURD's thunder |
| 03:15.38 | simonrvn | you know why they called it 'forever', right? (yes lame joke) |
| 03:15.54 | Azar | Hurd was, is and will be TEH OS |
| 03:15.55 | pipeline | ameyer: radeonhd makes huge progress on a day to day basis |
| 03:16.00 | regulate | cause it's so good it takes forever to finish it |
| 03:16.05 | pipeline | ameyer: for 2D purposes, I'd buy an ATI card today without reservation. |
| 03:16.11 | pipeline | regulate: so good, so overwrought, whatever. |
| 03:16.16 | regulate | anyone know how to debug X's mouse handling my mouse doesn't do x-axis movement |
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| 03:16.26 | simonrvn | so much vapourware |
| 03:16.29 | pipeline | regulate: HURD: The software engineering that brought us Linux, in combination with the design talent that brought us Tru64! |
| 03:16.36 | pipeline | regulate: now, you too can have the worst of both worlds! |
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| 03:17.08 | Azar | I swear if I would just be ableto install Hurd that would be my forever OS |
| 03:17.10 | simonrvn | pipeline: weeee |
| 03:17.22 | pipeline | simonrvn: eh? |
| 03:17.32 | pipeline | Azar: Liar. |
| 03:17.35 | simonrvn | what you just said, silly :) |
| 03:17.35 | regulate | anyone running sid? |
| 03:17.47 | simonrvn | no, not even people who run it |
| 03:17.54 | regulate | ok, i know i'm not supposed to ask that. |
| 03:18.02 | Azar | haha no I am not I burned it on a cd but I can't pass the partition at install |
| 03:18.17 | regulate | can anyone who's running sid verify usb mouse working in latest xorg debs ? |
| 03:18.19 | ameyer | aren't "they" considering scrapping HURD and starting over with a differentg kernel? |
| 03:18.31 | ameyer | -g |
| 03:18.33 | Azar | ameyer: mach kernel |
| 03:18.58 | Azar | Debian GNU/Hurd with a Mach kernel |
| 03:19.03 | ameyer | I thought they were considering going with the coyotos kernel or something |
| 03:19.31 | Azar | not many news about Hurd ... don't know |
| 03:19.51 | ameyer | I wonder if Linux hadn't become usable, if HURD would be usable today |
| 03:20.21 | simonrvn | probably would've helped move it along |
| 03:20.32 | streuner_ | if you have the *right* hardware, sure... |
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| 03:20.36 | nvz | well I freed up ~15G on my drive today.. deleting redundant data I have copied all around |
| 03:20.37 | Azar | when the industrialization..errr commercialization of Linux will be complete, maybe Hurd will rise as the only Free OS |
| 03:20.55 | nvz | now I got to figure out what to do with the remaining 90G or so that I want to keep |
| 03:20.59 | simonrvn | er, it's already commercialised |
| 03:21.10 | Azar | simonrvn: Debian too? :) |
| 03:21.19 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:21.19 | ameyer | I think it waas from the announcement of Linux 0.01 or something |
| 03:21.30 | Azar | that's what I was talking about... |
| 03:21.40 | simonrvn | ah, ok :) |
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| 03:23.50 | ameyer | " I can (well, almost) hear you asking yourselves 'why?'. Hurd will be out in a year (or two, or next month, who knows), and I've already got minix." Linus Torvalds, October 5, 1991 |
| 03:23.56 | abrotman | Azar: depends on the license ... and whether or not firmware is needed to make it function |
| 03:25.04 | ameyer | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/msg/2194d253268b0a1b |
| 03:25.29 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:25.50 | simonrvn | hey |
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| 03:29.35 | Azar | thanks abrotman :) |
| 03:30.35 | Azar | well, Torvalds can't either dare to run Debian he said is too hard for him to install it |
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| 03:31.00 | Azar | he might be a coder, I am not, but I can install and run Debian :) |
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| 03:33.02 | Azar | well here we have it: ATI/AMD's New Open-Source Strategy Explained http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=826&num=1 |
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| 03:36.38 | Azar | so no, it will not be a free driver, they one release "some library" under NDA agreement... blablabla.. to satisfy the open source community |
| 03:37.15 | simonrvn | that'll only satisfy some people. that's not really a driver |
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| 03:37.48 | chowmeined | how can I ignore some files/dirs when building my .deb? |
| 03:37.57 | slapfaceware | how do i find out which files are taking space under a directory |
| 03:38.16 | chowmeined | slapfaceware: du |
| 03:38.37 | slapfaceware | yes, i want to see all files in a order of file size, can i do that? |
| 03:38.46 | chowmeined | slapfaceware: man du |
| 03:38.53 | chowmeined | slapfaceware: cat man du |
| 03:39.04 | chowmeined | harhar ok im done |
| 03:39.14 | Azar | simonrvn: yeah, I guess all these ATI linux driver news are only ment to boost their sales |
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| 03:45.43 | alaya | drmitch: persistent udev rules? no idea... |
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| 03:54.56 | fisxoj | anyone know how to get the xD card reader on my inspiron 1420 to work? |
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| 03:57.01 | fujin | Could anyone point me in the correct direction for setting up my own secure apt repository? |
| 03:57.14 | fujin | I'd like to handroll a few packages and push them out to my box, without seeing the WARNING: everytime |
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| 03:57.58 | kgoetz | fujin: get familarwith apt-utils probably |
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| 03:58.26 | fujin | I was looking for something a little more indepth. The manpage for apt-ftparchive hasn't been too friendly |
| 03:58.30 | factor | where do I put Xgl in gdm to start it instead of X |
| 03:58.35 | fujin | I think I've got it working, creating the packages/release files, signing it, but it's not working |
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| 04:02.06 | fujin | kgoetz: are you familiar with it? |
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| 04:02.26 | fujin | I mean, it looks like it's working, but when I go to apt-get install <package which is in my secure repository> it says package is up to date |
| 04:02.34 | fujin | ideally i'd like it to replace it, that's what I have it for |
| 04:02.46 | fujin | It's a higher version, too |
| 04:03.08 | fujin | 0.22.1-1 vs. 0.23.2-12~7.04prevu1 |
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| 04:03.20 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.26 | Sazpaimon | how do i broke server |
| 04:04.01 | kgoetz | fujin: you need to install with -t <repo name>, and you need to find a guide to signing |
| 04:04.07 | kgoetz | Sazpaimon: badly |
| 04:04.15 | fujin | repo name? the hostname? |
| 04:04.16 | Sazpaimon | :D |
| 04:04.23 | Sazpaimon | wish i knew what caused it |
| 04:04.31 | Sazpaimon | must be mysql clogging my tubes |
| 04:04.38 | kgoetz | fujin: what youve called it (aka release), so etch-backports for example |
| 04:04.48 | fujin | I've called it ./ - does that count? |
| 04:05.17 | fujin | gah. I wish there was a *real* howto on this. How hard is it for someone to document it |
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| 04:09.43 | fujin | kgoetz: anyway I can get around the -t thing? |
| 04:09.49 | fujin | so that it installs it from that repo no matter what |
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| 04:11.10 | kgoetz | fujin: read the apt docs, they should tell you how to pin a repository to a higher importance then another |
| 04:11.16 | fujin | they don't |
| 04:11.21 | fujin | well |
| 04:11.27 | fujin | do I really need to make use of a pin? |
| 04:11.35 | juliani | all right ... 2 questions. in Debian, will I get to handpick all and ONLY the apps I want + the kernel + system binaries + pkg management? Second question, will apt-get deal with dependency problems (will it REALLY?HONEST to GOSH?)? 3rd question, can I install the kernel + system binaries + pkg mgmt system? |
| 04:11.37 | fujin | surely it should be as simple as adding the apt-key, and then just going apt-get install blah? |
| 04:11.40 | juliani | 3 questions* |
| 04:12.04 | sam55 | juliani: regarding dependency problem, yes, apt rocks! |
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| 04:12.24 | kgoetz | fujin: is your repository signed? |
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| 04:12.26 | sam55 | juliani: looks like you are from the rpm world since you are apprehensive about dependency hell in debian. |
| 04:12.34 | juliani | Gentoo :'( |
| 04:12.35 | fujin | kgoetz: yes, I've signed the Release.gpg file |
| 04:12.37 | juliani | I have a dead laptop |
| 04:12.47 | kgoetz | fujin: then it shouldnt be all that hard |
| 04:12.48 | juliani | well, it's just a coffin for my data right now |
| 04:12.56 | fujin | That's what I thought. |
| 04:13.12 | juliani | Did you guys get any impact from the recent expat soname change? |
| 04:13.14 | sam55 | juliani: you may safely trust apt. I actually aptitude and it is yet to fail me. Just keep track of the messages it shows while upgrading various packages. |
| 04:13.22 | fisxoj | the sdhci driver won't detect my xD card, help? |
| 04:13.28 | fujin | if I do an apt-get update && apt-cache show <package> I can see two entries for it, one with the newer version and one with the older version |
| 04:13.42 | fujin | yet it always tries to install the older version like my repository isn't overriding it like it should |
| 04:13.56 | juliani | soname changes ... did it hurt anyone? please be honest |
| 04:13.57 | sam55 | fujin: what happens when you try aptitude? |
| 04:14.05 | fujin | what the hell is aptitude? |
| 04:14.18 | sam55 | fujin: apt-cache show aptitude :) |
| 04:14.28 | streuner_ | some magic tool which resolve EVERYTHING |
| 04:14.35 | fujin | It doesn't work in screen. |
| 04:14.36 | fujin | Next. |
| 04:14.49 | sam55 | fujin: what do you mean by screen? |
| 04:14.53 | fujin | oh god. |
| 04:15.02 | juliani | sigh ... can I trust this distro? |
| 04:15.12 | juliani | my faith has been put down many times |
| 04:15.18 | fujin | screen, the terminal multiplexer |
| 04:15.24 | sam55 | fujin: do you have aptitude installed? |
| 04:15.34 | fujin | yes, but I doubt apt-get is the problem. |
| 04:15.56 | sam55 | juliani: I can understand your view. But you can trust apt better than other package managers. Ubuntu is not so successful for no reason ;) |
| 04:16.18 | sam55 | fujin: read aptitude's man page and look for options why and why-not. |
| 04:16.25 | fujin | I'm not going to use aptitude |
| 04:16.34 | fujin | That's stupid. |
| 04:16.40 | juliani | Hmm ... how can I net install on a raw hdd? |
| 04:16.54 | sam55 | fujin: well, your choice. |
| 04:17.00 | juliani | I do not posses blank DVDs or CDs |
| 04:17.02 | fujin | so you're trying to tell me apt-get is broken? |
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| 04:17.18 | juliani | how can I get the base system on a raw newly formatted hdd ? |
| 04:17.35 | juliani | I do however posess a copy of Knoppix live CD |
| 04:17.39 | juliani | 5.0.1 |
| 04:17.45 | streuner_ | !ig |
| 04:17.46 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 04:17.46 | sam55 | fujin: you reached a wrong conclusion. No, I am not trying to tell you that. Did you take look at its man page? If not, do so first before making vague assumptions. |
| 04:17.59 | fujin | there is *no* reason for me to use aptitude. |
| 04:18.13 | fujin | From what I can tell, it's third-party bloatware. |
| 04:18.14 | fujin | eof. |
| 04:18.16 | sam55 | fujin: you can only say so if you know aptitude very well. Do you? |
| 04:18.19 | fujin | Any other suggestions? |
| 04:18.22 | fujin | yes. I do. |
| 04:18.40 | sam55 | fujin: fine. Then make apt-get tell you whats wrong then. |
| 04:19.00 | fujin | How about you go and die in a fire. |
| 04:19.28 | sam55 | sam55: pathetic. Now I see why no ones really helping you here. I should got a hint from that. |
| 04:20.06 | fujin | FYI, Aptitude is only showing the version off the official repositories aswell |
| 04:20.13 | fujin | instead of preferring the newer version from the other repository |
| 04:20.35 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 04:20.35 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
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| 04:20.54 | juliani | oh btw |
| 04:20.55 | fujin | I'm not installing binary packages from any other branches. |
| 04:21.00 | fujin | I'm hand-rolling them. |
| 04:21.13 | mudge | when aptitude lists packages, what does v mean? |
| 04:21.21 | mudge | there's i for install, and p for purge, what is v? |
| 04:21.24 | fujin | and I would have expected the process to be relatively painless |
| 04:21.36 | streuner_ | show us your sources.list in paster bot please (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 04:21.38 | juliani | can I simply have an empty kernel + apt + system binaries and take it from there? |
| 04:22.06 | juliani | s/empty/just |
| 04:22.07 | mudge | what does the v mean? |
| 04:22.19 | sam55 | juliani: you asked for net install. Yes, you can. Just get the net install ISO (around 20 megs(?)), and start from there. |
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| 04:22.46 | juliani | what's with Etch, Woody bla bla? |
| 04:22.54 | mudge | what does the v mean? |
| 04:22.57 | juliani | Sarge? |
| 04:22.57 | mudge | does anyone know |
| 04:23.03 | mudge | no etch |
| 04:23.13 | streuner_ | juliani: you want etch/stable |
| 04:23.14 | sam55 | juliani: Etch is the current stable. Woody was previous. |
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| 04:23.31 | juliani | ahh |
| 04:23.37 | sam55 | juliani: Sarge was previous, Woody was earlier than that. |
| 04:23.49 | streuner_ | !history |
| 04:23.49 | dpkg | i heard history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 04:23.49 | sam55 | juliani: these are various version Debian Stable. |
| 04:23.51 | juliani | so new names just come along? |
| 04:24.13 | sam55 | juliani: no, they are decided when the development starts on those versions. They actually have numbers. |
| 04:24.13 | juliani | hopping from Sarge to Etch or Woody to Etch or to future versions would be a breeze, right? |
| 04:24.26 | streuner_ | yes, for every single release there is a codename (woody, sarge, etch...) |
| 04:24.40 | sam55 | juliani: yes, indeed! |
| 04:25.12 | juliani | Hmm I always thought all Linuxes were easy and life changing ... apparently the world is more complex than I thought |
| 04:25.20 | juliani | good stuff come in very small numbers |
| 04:25.27 | streuner_ | mudge: please check out the documentation, i only use apt/dpkg myself |
| 04:25.56 | mudge | streuner: thanks for the response |
| 04:26.00 | sam55 | juliani: what you really want to know is what are Debian releases: Unstable, Testing and Stable. |
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| 04:26.25 | snacky | but don't use aptitude because it's a weirdo bad third-party addon that nobody suggests using! and it killed my pets |
| 04:27.42 | juliani | ok, netinstall is an ISO. I hate burning stuff on round physical media. I have a liveCD, is there a way to extract a bunch of packages on a newly formatted ext2/3 drive? |
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| 04:28.06 | juliani | like extract the base system from some tars maybe |
| 04:28.15 | sam55 | juliani: You need minimal install, then use dselect or apt or aptitude to start adding packages one by one. |
| 04:28.34 | streuner_ | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:28.34 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 04:28.46 | streuner_ | ^^^^ use that instead |
| 04:28.59 | streuner_ | or just read ig (installation guide) |
| 04:29.07 | streuner_ | and start now to read |
| 04:29.27 | juliani | lol 'goldberg' install? :d |
| 04:29.29 | streuner_ | you could use in that case debootstrap, but its also mentioned in ig... |
| 04:29.32 | juliani | where'd you take the name? |
| 04:29.45 | streuner_ | !factinfo rube goldberg install |
| 04:29.45 | snacky | juliani: the wrestler. |
| 04:29.45 | dpkg | rube goldberg install -- created by greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> at Sat Jan 17 20:25:38 2004 (1375 days); it has been requested 259 times, last by streuner_, 1m 11s ago. |
| 04:29.54 | streuner_ | ask greycat |
| 04:30.01 | snacky | haha, that sounds exactly like something greycat would write |
| 04:30.14 | streuner_ | hehe, true :-) |
| 04:30.16 | sam55 | juliani: seen http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ yet? |
| 04:30.31 | juliani | yeah |
| 04:30.36 | juliani | I'm looking at it |
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| 04:30.59 | juliani | it needs a CD |
| 04:31.07 | juliani | or my eyes are lying to me |
| 04:31.19 | sam55 | juliani: you really want stable or testing will do too? See http://www.debian.org/releases/. |
| 04:31.23 | snacky | here's another good one of his: http://wooledge.org/~greybot/homework |
| 04:31.37 | sam55 | juliani: hmm .. I think one can do this from a USB stick too if your computer supports booting from it. |
| 04:31.56 | juliani | no sticks :'( |
| 04:32.14 | juliani | if only the kernel + apt + system bins were tar balled |
| 04:32.24 | juliani | so I could just extract them on / |
| 04:32.34 | juliani | and set up lilo or something |
| 04:32.35 | sam55 | juliani: yes, there are: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:33.18 | CAiRO- | is there a way to stop certain files (data files, eg movies) from getting into linux's file system cache? |
| 04:33.31 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have an etch vps instance (uml i think) nmap localhost shows 9/tcp open discard 13/tcp open daytime open, any particular reason inetd should have these running ? |
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| 04:34.44 | streuner_ | !closing ports |
| 04:34.44 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
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| 04:37.00 | thelostbutler | streuner_: any hint as to what messed up concept is behind this ? |
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| 04:38.23 | juliani | Hmm TFTP |
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| 04:50.53 | Eureka | Hi, i have a pretty old version of etch from when it was unstable, and when it was first installed it didnt install as amd64 arch |
| 04:51.15 | Eureka | Now i upgraded and it gave me the option to install the amd64 kernel |
| 04:51.29 | Eureka | But dpkg and gcc still show i486 |
| 04:51.51 | Eureka | How do i change my packages to amd64 equivalents? |
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| 04:52.49 | ameyer | Eureka: you reinstall using the amd64 version? |
| 04:53.23 | Eureka | Yes, but i dont care for all the packages, only the essential ones so i can compile stuff as amd64 |
| 04:53.47 | mudge | question: I just enabled mod_rewrite, but nothing happens when I write rules in .htaccess |
| 04:53.51 | Eureka | I mean, its over 5 gb of packages... |
| 04:53.51 | Eureka | And my connection sucks |
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| 04:54.13 | ameyer | I don't think you can (easily) switch from i386 to AMD64 |
| 04:54.31 | Eureka | The kernel is now running as amd64 |
| 04:54.34 | mudge | i did: a2enmod rewrite but it says that it is enabled |
| 04:54.37 | Eureka | and uname is x86_64 |
| 04:55.01 | Eureka | only dpkg and gcc are still i486 |
| 04:55.17 | Eureka | Since amd64 can run legacy i386 apps... |
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| 04:56.29 | Eureka | I read you could change the dpkg arch with -a, but it wants gcc to be amd64 first, to change the arch for gcc i have to manually download it? |
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| 05:00.36 | k0001 | is there any way of completely moving from python2.4 to python2.5, without breaking anything? |
| 05:00.45 | k0001 | (etch) |
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| 05:01.59 | _agn_ | hi |
| 05:02.17 | _agn_ | is it normal for vmstat to report high values in interrupt column ? |
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| 05:02.28 | _agn_ | 1100 on an vg |
| 05:02.32 | _agn_ | *an avg |
| 05:02.42 | _agn_ | its a server |
| 05:02.54 | troytroy | hi i need help in configuring my apt sources list |
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| 05:04.01 | troytroy | any body with a config file which includes all applications |
| 05:04.07 | troytroy | universe |
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| 05:04.53 | ameyer | "universe"? |
| 05:05.01 | p-a-v | ubuntu? |
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| 05:09.04 | troytroy | so how do i set my repo file in debian to incluse all applications |
| 05:10.07 | Azar | troytroy: all aplications are at the repository site, your apt configuration will just point at it |
| 05:10.15 | p-a-v | !sources.list |
| 05:10.16 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 05:10.40 | p-a-v | add contrib and non-free as well |
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| 05:13.12 | Azar | troytroy: here is how it should look your sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/40517 |
| 05:13.50 | Azar | troytroy: only if you use Debian 4.0 Etch |
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| 05:16.52 | Eureka | What kind of options do you give a kernel so it can load a ramdisk so you can reinstall system packages? |
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| 05:17.28 | kire | Hello! I started a program (inadyn) in the background of a terminal. How could i stop it? |
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| 05:18.06 | edison04 | kire, do % and then enter and then CTRL+C |
| 05:18.19 | edison04 | or killall inadyn |
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| 05:19.29 | troytroy | Azar danke :) |
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| 05:19.37 | Azar | bitte :) |
| 05:19.38 | kire | usnig % i get no such job, but killall worked |
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| 05:20.06 | edison04 | kire next time do jobs |
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| 05:20.32 | kire | edison: ??? |
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| 05:20.42 | edison04 | and then to put your process on foreground do %# #number of your process and then CTRL+C |
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| 05:21.18 | troytroy | Azar lol ich spreche nicht gut deustch |
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| 05:23.44 | edison04 | example do `sleep 30 &' and then jobs and then %1 and then CTRL+C |
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| 05:27.11 | anurudda | Hi all, I have a small problem with volume control in gnome.. it sort of never save it's settings... can any of u tell me why? |
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| 05:30.39 | deadcat | can i burn mp3 to cdaudio via wodim or i have to decode/encode first? |
| 05:31.04 | anurudda | A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept. |
| 05:31.07 | simonrvn | pseubodo1: who owns you |
| 05:31.39 | anurudda | #c |
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| 05:32.08 | cahoot | deadcat, AFAIK audiocd players want wavs/pcm |
| 05:32.35 | Nyle | HEY THERE |
| 05:32.40 | Nyle | oops |
| 05:32.43 | simonrvn | wtf is going on |
| 05:32.49 | Nyle | not much |
| 05:32.50 | moefoe | TIMEOUT STORM! |
| 05:32.50 | Nyle | busy busy |
| 05:32.53 | simonrvn | network issues |
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| 05:32.58 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:33.05 | Nyle | well damn, I thought you were asking me |
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| 05:33.27 | simonrvn | Nyle: how are ya? |
| 05:33.31 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:33.36 | anurudda | btw pple anyone know why audio setttings are not saved? |
| 05:33.42 | anurudda | in Gnome |
| 05:33.45 | Nyle | you know I'm gonna start complaining about life |
| 05:33.49 | Nyle | right? |
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| 05:33.55 | Nyle | you just had to ask ;) |
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| 05:34.13 | simonrvn | anurudda: it's not just that. everywhere. gconf or something is buggering up |
| 05:34.16 | Nyle | simonrvn: I'm great. How are you doing |
| 05:34.24 | simonrvn | Nyle: i'm doing |
| 05:34.30 | Nyle | well... do |
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| 05:34.49 | Nyle | hows it goin? its goin, its goin. well ok then, go with it. |
| 05:34.50 | Nyle | etc. |
| 05:35.04 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:35.25 | Bushmills | have you installed alsa-utils? |
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| 05:35.31 | simonrvn | there's some weird shit going on here... moefoe> TIMEOUT STORM! |
| 05:35.33 | Bushmills | anurudda, that is |
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| 05:37.35 | anurudda | sound works. problem is that every time i switch machine on you have to go and adjust volume levels to hear sounds!! |
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| 05:39.26 | anurudda | Bushmills: yes I haven't installed utils. :( thanks |
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| 05:41.47 | kire | edison04: thx! |
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| 05:46.05 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:46.10 | indraveni | i am using debian etch here |
| 05:46.19 | indraveni | and i have installed php5 and php5-mysql package |
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| 05:46.27 | indraveni | also mysql-client |
| 05:46.38 | indraveni | but still i am not able to get mysql support in php |
| 05:46.59 | indraveni | what else do ineed to do for compiling php5 with mysql |
| 05:47.28 | Bushmills | indraveni: apache2? |
| 05:47.38 | Maliuta | indraveni: are you compiling it in or as a module? |
| 05:48.08 | indraveni | Buglouse, i have apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:48.09 | Maliuta | indraveni: if it is a as a module you will need a line in the php.ini to load the module |
| 05:48.16 | Bushmills | have you enabled the php5 apache module? |
| 05:48.21 | indraveni | Maliuta, not compiling, jsut installing the deb packges |
| 05:48.35 | sep | indraveni, man a2enmod |
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| 05:48.47 | Nyle | I wanna grow up and be a debian package |
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| 05:49.06 | hobophobe | is there a way to find out what keycodes are being sent from keyboard? |
| 05:49.10 | indraveni | sep, i am not playing around with modules |
| 05:49.11 | Maliuta | indraveni: then you need to install the php5-mysql package |
| 05:49.13 | Nyle | xev |
| 05:49.17 | sep | Nyle, now be a nice udeb and do your md5sums |
| 05:49.27 | indraveni | Maliuta, yes i installed wven that packe |
| 05:49.28 | sep | indraveni, read it before you make a fool of yourself |
| 05:49.33 | hobophobe | Thanks Nyle |
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| 05:49.45 | Maliuta | indraveni: and then make sure the php.ini (probably in /etc/php5/conf.d) is loading the module |
| 05:49.57 | Maliuta | indraveni: beyond that your code is broken |
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| 05:51.08 | Maliuta | indraveni: you should look at the output of phpinfo() |
| 05:51.11 | sep | indraveni, you might want to look into /etc/php/apache2/php.ini might be that the mysql extenstions is commente |
| 05:51.37 | hobophobe | For some reason, when I installed new Xorg stuff it uses evdev now for my keyboard, in turn screwed up keytouch, so I have to manually set up my special keys now :o) |
| 05:51.55 | Maliuta | sep: the php5 situation means modules will be enabled in the /etc/php/conf.d directory |
| 05:51.59 | sakitram | hello, I did something wrong in parition. Since I do not get grub boot my linux (Debian), using Knoppix live CD, I am now talking to you. I request somebody to give me the pastebin address, where I shall post the report |
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| 05:52.23 | Maliuta | hobophobe: yeah, it's busted for some of my dell sk8135 kbs too |
| 05:52.46 | hobophobe | I tried the keytouch-editor program, but that didn't work either. |
| 05:52.52 | indraveni | Maliuta, no, phpinfo() function is not showing the mysql support |
| 05:52.52 | indraveni | Maliuta, before going to my code, i am checking with the phpinfo() function |
| 05:52.58 | indraveni | Maliuta, yes i have mysql.ini modile in the /etc/php5/conf.d |
| 05:53.02 | indraveni | what would be the correspondign line in php.ini to invoke that modeul |
| 05:53.02 | hobophobe | so, with xev now I can get the scancodes manually |
| 05:53.06 | Maliuta | hobophobe: and the kb drivers don't like the capslock/numlock keys on my kb too |
| 05:53.24 | sep | indraveni, did you have the extension=mysql.so in /etc/php/apache2/php.ini ? |
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| 05:53.37 | Maliuta | indraveni: have you restarted apache since installing the mysql module? |
| 05:53.44 | hobophobe | Maliuta, hmm.. are you using evdev? if so, in gnome under system->keyboard->layout set it to generic->evdev managed, that got my arrow keys to work |
| 05:54.05 | Maliuta | hobophobe: yes and I don't use gnome or kde |
| 05:54.12 | Maliuta | hobophobe: I'm old school |
| 05:54.22 | indraveni | Maliuta, restarting apache woked now |
| 05:54.27 | hobophobe | hmm, capslock light doesn't come on for me now that you mention it.. but the toggle still works. |
| 05:54.33 | Bushmills | no sex before marriage? |
| 05:54.41 | Maliuta | yeah that's the situation I'm in |
| 05:54.45 | hobophobe | Maliuta, well if there's an equivalent setting for your wm/etc... |
| 05:54.48 | hobophobe | ah |
| 05:54.54 | hobophobe | Bushmills, no marriage before sex. |
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| 05:55.12 | indraveni | sep, even now after mysql starts working with php, i have extension=msql.so line commented in my php.ini file |
| 05:55.22 | sakitram | somebody give pastebin address? |
| 05:55.23 | Maliuta | I also think there has been some change in the event interface, because the evdev stuff for my twiddly knobby volume thing is busted |
| 05:55.38 | Maliuta | doesn't seem to be recognising the events since 2.6.23 |
| 05:55.43 | sep | indraveni, probably a second one further down |
| 05:55.54 | Maliuta | sakitram: pastebin.com? |
| 05:56.49 | Maliuta | indraveni: that's because php5 will scan the /etc/php5/conf.d directory and include files from there with the default php.ini |
| 05:57.08 | Maliuta | sep: wrong. |
| 05:57.09 | indraveni | Maliuta, oh |
| 05:57.15 | indraveni | Maliuta, sep thankyou for the help |
| 05:57.16 | moefoe | (mumble) fvwm (mumble) |
| 05:57.34 | Maliuta | I used to use lesstiff mwm |
| 05:57.41 | Maliuta | I am using xfce now |
| 05:57.49 | sep | Maliuta, ooh nice that's new in etch ? |
| 05:58.00 | Maliuta | sep: new in php5 |
| 05:58.05 | sep | right |
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| 05:58.32 | Maliuta | I should know, I bloody well spend enough time compiling packaging and configuring php boxen |
| 05:58.38 | Maliuta | stupid developers |
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| 05:59.40 | hobophobe | hmm, the output I'm getting from xev seems to indicate they are trying to standardize extra keys now |
| 06:00.00 | hobophobe | some of these have X symbols assigned, like XF86Mail for the mail button, etc. |
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| 06:01.19 | Maliuta | hobophobe: yeah, some of the stuff seems to have changed, I use lineakd for the softkeys on my dells |
| 06:01.21 | dacs | hi guys |
| 06:01.41 | Maliuta | hobophobe: had to redo my config as some of the keycodes magincally changed |
| 06:02.18 | Maliuta | and it looks like the volume knob went from looking like a mouse wheel to a keypress |
| 06:02.22 | sakitram | Maliuta: thanks |
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| 06:02.43 | Maliuta | sakitram: it's fecking pastebin, it's not hard to find |
| 06:02.43 | sakitram | Please somebody have a look at my disk problem and help me to recover my debian. http://pastebin.com/m3d600cda |
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| 06:03.39 | sakitram | Maliuta: yes, I know. But I came to know that in some channel if I post at the pastebin they tell, the channel get automatic update about the info posted in that pastebin. |
| 06:04.00 | sakitram | Maliuta: so that's why I ask every channel about such pastebin anything associated with that channel. |
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| 06:04.41 | sakitram | Maliuta: Actually I see that pastebin adderss (associated) at the top of the channel message once I enter into channel. |
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| 06:09.17 | hobophobe | Thanks Maliuta I'm gonna try lineak since keytouch doesn't seem to want to behave. |
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| 06:09.54 | moefoe | um |
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| 06:12.17 | nvz | hmm no luck finding a new lcd for this damn thing.. I can find info all over the web about IDW Beijing, but no website or contact info or resellers |
| 06:12.44 | sakitram | somebody help me too |
| 06:12.46 | moefoe | Ignoring the gpartion editor .. doing an fdisk /dev/hda & p give no partition info? |
| 06:14.07 | sakitram | yes |
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| 06:14.56 | sakitram | moefoe: but I got some infor for command gpart /dev/hda |
| 06:15.12 | sakitram | moefoe: please have look at http://pastebin.com/d2c36c18c |
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| 06:15.21 | moefoe | I did |
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| 06:16.39 | moefoe | Ok. And it does not boot at all? Or it just not get to the grub screen? |
| 06:16.48 | sakitram | yes |
| 06:17.03 | moefoe | It does not boot at all? |
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| 06:17.27 | sakitram | yes |
| 06:17.32 | moefoe | What message does it give? "Missing system disk" or some such? |
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| 06:19.07 | sakitram | No, before I enter into Knoppix Live CD os, I got Grub menus, but no booting, error got some thing like unable to mount deviice. |
| 06:19.36 | sakitram | and then what occured has be said here : http://pastebin.com/d2c36c18c |
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| 06:21.05 | kgoetz | !knoppix |
| 06:21.05 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 06:21.16 | kgoetz | sakitram: ^^ |
| 06:21.30 | sakitram | kgoetz: yes |
| 06:22.02 | Azar | not even knoppix, is solaris :) |
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| 06:22.42 | jones- | Hello. I'm running debian unstable. I need to install an old version of gcc (3.4.4). How can I do it? |
| 06:23.07 | dondelelcaro | jones-: find it (hopefully) in snapshots.debian.net, add it to your sources.list and install it |
| 06:23.11 | SerajewelKS | jones-: get the packages from snapshots |
| 06:23.24 | jones- | Thanks |
| 06:23.26 | dondelelcaro | jones-: however, there reaally shouldn't be much need for that particular version of gcc |
| 06:23.47 | jones- | dondelelcaro: vmware player needs the same version of gcc with which the kernel was compiled to compile its modules. |
| 06:24.02 | SerajewelKS | jones-: then upgrade to a recent kernel |
| 06:24.13 | SerajewelKS | jones-: if your kernel was built with 3.4.4 then it's really out of date |
| 06:24.18 | jones- | SerajewelKS: can't on the work machine |
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| 06:24.31 | SerajewelKS | jones-: but you can install gcc? right... |
| 06:24.44 | dondelelcaro | bummer. |
| 06:24.45 | jones- | SerajewelKS: yeah, I know it's fucked up policy :( |
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| 06:25.19 | SerajewelKS | jones-: if i were you i'd be making some calls about upgrading your kernel |
| 06:25.23 | Azar | jones-: you risk a fxxup for the entire system just for a lousy wmware player? |
| 06:25.54 | Azar | well you run sid... already fxxup |
| 06:25.54 | jones- | Azar: i'm working in a chroot for safety |
| 06:26.26 | SerajewelKS | jones-: when you start inserting kernel modules the chroot will magically vanish |
| 06:26.35 | jones- | SerajewelKS: uh? |
| 06:26.37 | jones- | why? |
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| 06:26.47 | SerajewelKS | jones-: because the kernel is not in userspace |
| 06:26.52 | SerajewelKS | jones-: only userspace can be chrooted |
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| 06:27.17 | sakitram | please someone help |
| 06:27.18 | SerajewelKS | jones-: what i mean is that if you think installing modules from a chroot is safe, you're mistaken |
| 06:27.19 | lawlerkittens | hai2u |
| 06:27.20 | jones- | SerajewelKS: I mountet -o bind /lib/modules /my_chroot/lib/modules |
| 06:27.29 | lawlerkittens | debhelper, hai2u bebe |
| 06:27.32 | jones- | mounted* |
| 06:27.35 | SerajewelKS | jones-: the kernel module won't be chrooted (your shell still will be) |
| 06:27.44 | jones- | hmm |
| 06:27.46 | Azar | sakitram: you are not running a Debian operating system.... ask the linux distro that you run |
| 06:27.47 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:27.49 | *** kick/#debian [lawlerkittens!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 06:27.55 | moefoe | sakitram - |
| 06:27.58 | moefoe | oops |
| 06:28.05 | sakitram | Azar: I am running Debian etch |
| 06:28.11 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.13 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.18 | Azar | sakitram: not possible , with an ext2? |
| 06:28.18 | sakitram | Azar: that's what in trouble and I want to recover it |
| 06:28.19 | SerajewelKS | Azar: sounds like he's trying to recover a debian install |
| 06:28.23 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.25 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.27 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.31 | lawlerkittens | OH YEZ, I RUN DEBIAN LAWLER |
| 06:28.40 | lawlerkittens | LAWLERCAUST |
| 06:28.43 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: lawlerkittens ... obvious |
| 06:28.49 | simonrvn | !ops lawlerkittens spamming |
| 06:28.50 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: lawlerkittens spamming |
| 06:28.50 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.50 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.50 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.50 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.50 | *** kick/#debian [lawlerkittens!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:28.50 | moefoe | sakitram - I'm guessing your partion was deleted. You can cross your fingers & rewrite it with gpart. That might recover it. |
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| 06:28.55 | Zmanu | hello |
| 06:28.56 | sakitram | Azar: no!! someone here 3 weeks ago, helped me at situation like similar to this. |
| 06:28.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:28.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@agent.homelandsecurity.bz] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:29.00 | *** part/#debian lawlerkittens (i=thoffmey@agent.homelandsecurity.bz) |
| 06:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 798] by debhelper |
| 06:29.07 | sakitram | Azar: I forgot that friend name |
| 06:29.07 | SerajewelKS | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 06:29.10 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 06:29.20 | simonrvn | ^tea dondelelcaro |
| 06:29.24 | simonrvn | @tea dondelelcaro |
| 06:29.29 | Azar | sakitram: the way I see your paster it is NOT a Debian OS, is some linux |
| 06:29.55 | SerajewelKS | Azar: he is booting knoppix to help recover his debian install |
| 06:30.10 | SerajewelKS | Azar: if i'm reading it right... we certainly do help in that scenario |
| 06:30.15 | Azar | Partition(Linux swap or Solaris/x86): primary |
| 06:30.16 | Zmanu | i have update sid yesterday, and now i have a problem i use azerty and now i'm with z qwerty keyboard. i know there's a command to change that, but i don't remember thanks for help |
| 06:30.19 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 06:30.26 | sakitram | Azar: noo, that is impossible. |
| 06:30.28 | simonrvn | !bz |
| 06:30.29 | dpkg | hmm... bz is Belize |
| 06:30.34 | Azar | Partition(Linux ext2 filesystem): primary |
| 06:30.36 | SerajewelKS | Azar: looks like that's his swap partition |
| 06:30.47 | simonrvn | someone did something to their whois server BTW |
| 06:30.47 | Azar | sakitram: impossible? it is from YOUR paster |
| 06:30.58 | sakitram | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 06:31.04 | simonrvn | who the hell do you report that sort of thing to? |
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| 06:31.13 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ^^^^ |
| 06:31.15 | Azar | SerajewelKS: Debian Etch with a ext2 fs? |
| 06:31.20 | Zmanu | loadkeys fr change nothing on my keyboard |
| 06:31.22 | lawlerkittens | SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 06:31.24 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.28 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:31.32 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.34 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.35 | sakitram | Azar: I think it is ext2 fs |
| 06:31.39 | simonrvn | lawlerkittens: moron |
| 06:31.43 | SerajewelKS | Azar: it's possible, you can change the type of the partition in the installer |
| 06:31.53 | Azar | lawlerkittens: not nice |
| 06:31.56 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.58 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.00 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.01 | simonrvn | ewrwer |
| 06:32.02 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.03 | *** part/#debian jones- (n=siovene@cs181094219.pp.htv.fi) |
| 06:32.04 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.04 | SerajewelKS | Azar: more likely, gpart is identifying it as ext2 since ext3 is ext2 with extra stuff |
| 06:32.08 | SerajewelKS | !ops lawlerkittens |
| 06:32.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: serajewelks complains about: lawlerkittens |
| 06:32.12 | lawlerkittens | simonrvn, orly |
| 06:32.14 | lawlerkittens | i cant help it debian sucks |
| 06:32.18 | lawlerkittens | srsly |
| 06:32.20 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:32.22 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:32.26 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.28 | Azar | sore loser? |
| 06:32.28 | lawlerkittens | NO FAKIN WAI! |
| 06:32.30 | lawlerkittens | !ops SerajewelKS |
| 06:32.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: lawlerkittens complains about: SerajewelKS |
| 06:32.33 | lawlerkittens | !ops SerajewelKS |
| 06:32.54 | simonrvn | lawlerkittens: see if i care |
| 06:33.02 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.03 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.03 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.03 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.03 | lawlerkittens | NO FAKIN WAI! |
| 06:33.03 | *** kick/#debian [lawlerkittens!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:33.03 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
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| 06:33.06 | SerajewelKS | Azar: my guess with the swap is that gpart sees it could potentially be both |
| 06:33.19 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.21 | SerajewelKS | Azar: maybe some magic number |
| 06:33.21 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.23 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.23 | Azar | ok now I can see ya |
| 06:33.27 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.29 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.37 | linio | !kick lawlerkittens |
| 06:33.39 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.39 | Zmanu | is someone can help me ? |
| 06:33.41 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.41 | Zmanu | i have update sid yesterday, and now i have a problem i use azerty and now i'm with z qwerty keyboard. i know there's a command to change that, but i don't remember thanks for help |
| 06:33.43 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.44 | SerajewelKS | Azar: at any rate, the ext2 partition may really be ext2 left over from an old install... reinstalled but not formatted, etc |
| 06:33.53 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.55 | lawlerkittens | NO FAKIN WAI! |
| 06:33.56 | Azar | SerajewelKS: but I do not see any reference to Debian on his paster |
| 06:33.57 | lawlerkittens | hahhahahaha |
| 06:34.02 | simonrvn | IDed to services, and he does this? what a maroon |
| 06:34.03 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 06:34.12 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: i try thanks |
| 06:34.27 | SerajewelKS | Azar: ask him to mount hda4 and cat /etc/debian_version then |
| 06:34.29 | Azar | simonrvn: use /ignore on him |
| 06:34.35 | simonrvn | i did |
| 06:34.38 | sakitram | Azar: I do not able to access any file, so I can not copy paste the GRUB menu |
| 06:34.56 | sakitram | Azar: I think this may be suspect me not having Debian. |
| 06:34.57 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: mount your fourth partition somewhere |
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| 06:35.07 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.11 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:35.15 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.17 | lawlerkittens | NO FAKIN WAI! |
| 06:35.20 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: nothing better |
| 06:35.23 | simonrvn | !ops lawlerkittens |
| 06:35.23 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.23 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.23 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: lawlerkittens |
| 06:35.25 | lawlerkittens | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.27 | lawlerkittens | NO FAKIN WAI! |
| 06:35.29 | lawlerkittens | !ops simonrvn |
| 06:35.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: lawlerkittens complains about: simonrvn |
| 06:35.31 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: mkdir /deb; mount /dev/hda4 /deb -o ro; |
| 06:35.35 | lawlerkittens | !ops perry753 |
| 06:35.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: lawlerkittens complains about: perry753 |
| 06:35.39 | lawlerkittens | !ops debhelper |
| 06:35.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: lawlerkittens complains about: debhelper |
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| 06:35.42 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: don't feed the trolls |
| 06:35.45 | lawlerkittens | lawlercopters |
| 06:35.47 | lawlerkittens | omohmioruniwergurghbnwer |
| 06:35.47 | perry753 | !ops lawlerkittens |
| 06:35.47 | sakitram | SerajewelKS; thanks, I shall do it now |
| 06:35.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: perry753 complains about: lawlerkittens |
| 06:35.52 | Azar | well if indeed is a ext2 fs there I doubt would work with Debian Etch |
| 06:35.52 | simonrvn | i'm not |
| 06:35.53 | lawlerkittens | !ops sikkle |
| 06:35.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: lawlerkittens complains about: sikkle |
| 06:35.56 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:35.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@WE.FIGHT.FOR.SPARTA.WS] by peterS |
| 06:35.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:35.58 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: then /deb will look like your / |
| 06:36.03 | Zmanu | is it a channel for childs ? |
| 06:36.04 | Azar | thank you peterS |
| 06:36.06 | *** part/#debian lawlerkittens (i=thoffmey@WE.FIGHT.FOR.SPARTA.WS) |
| 06:36.12 | peterS | np |
| 06:36.14 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 06:36.15 | SerajewelKS | pettern: can you ban him by nick? he's switching hosts. |
| 06:36.23 | SerajewelKS | peterS: ^^^ |
| 06:36.27 | SerajewelKS | pettern: oops |
| 06:36.30 | simonrvn | he's IDed to nickserv too |
| 06:36.39 | sakitram | SerajewelKS: sorry!! I got this output: mount: special device /dev/hda4 does not exist |
| 06:36.47 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 06:36.57 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: pastebin the output of this: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 06:37.30 | simonrvn | peterS: ^^^ 'simonrun' |
| 06:37.32 | simonrun | OMG HAXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 06:37.34 | simonrun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.36 | simonrun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.39 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 06:37.40 | simonrun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.41 | Azar | peterS |
| 06:37.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:37.42 | simonrun | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unaffiliated/simonrvn] by peterS |
| 06:37.42 | *** kick/#debian [simonrvn!n=peter@adsl-208-190-253-155.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by peterS (you should know better) |
| 06:37.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:37.44 | simonrun | NO FAKIN WAI! |
| 06:37.46 | simonrun | haha |
| 06:37.48 | simonrun | lies |
| 06:37.50 | sakitram | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/d19fb31b0 |
| 06:37.50 | simonrun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.52 | SerajewelKS | peterS: omg |
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| 06:37.56 | simonrun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:38.00 | SerajewelKS | peterS: you did not just do that |
| 06:38.06 | simonrun | thanks he was annoying |
| 06:38.13 | simonrun | flooding all that stuff |
| 06:38.17 | simonrun | man now we can talk about debian |
| 06:38.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:38.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@g.lined.biz] by peterS |
| 06:38.51 | perry753 | how do I change my root account? |
| 06:38.51 | perry753 | I can't figure out my password |
| 06:38.51 | moefoe | (mumble) gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda (mumble) |
| 06:38.51 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@unaffiliated/simonrvn] by peterS |
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| 06:39.01 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: what moefoe said.. have gpart write the partition table back |
| 06:39.01 | simonrvn | hehhe |
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| 06:39.09 | Azar | oopss simonrvn |
| 06:39.12 | *** part/#debian simonrun (i=thoffmey@g.lined.biz) |
| 06:39.20 | simonrvn | s'ok, was funny |
| 06:39.26 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: you may be able to even boot after that |
| 06:39.27 | moefoe | sakitram - it's a last resort kinda thing. could be dangerous - may not work, etc |
| 06:39.35 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: i know there's a special command but it's not dpkg-reconfigure but something else, maybe only diffuse on SID mailing list |
| 06:39.37 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: a bit yeah but it did give the troll some satisfaction |
| 06:39.38 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!i=thoffme*@*] by peterS |
| 06:39.49 | sakitram | moefoe: I did that command but got an interactive prompts |
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| 06:40.01 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: to do what? |
| 06:40.07 | simonrvn | oh, leave off the 'i', he might decide to not ID to nickserv |
| 06:40.19 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: is this the keyboard layout for the console or X? |
| 06:40.20 | simonrvn | sri know, that's the sad part |
| 06:40.23 | peterS | hmmm we'll see |
| 06:40.26 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: ^^^ |
| 06:40.30 | Zmanu | change my keyboard from qwerty to azerty after this update on sid |
| 06:40.31 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: nod |
| 06:40.34 | sakitram | moefoe:Please have a look at what stage I am now : http://pastebin.com/d7c475f91 |
| 06:40.35 | Zmanu | under X |
| 06:40.37 | perry753 | I hate spammers |
| 06:40.41 | perry753 | now can anyone help me? |
| 06:40.46 | perry753 | I can't figure out my root password |
| 06:40.49 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: ok then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:40.57 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: you won't get a list of layouts though |
| 06:41.00 | simonrvn | perry753: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 06:41.05 | sakitram | SerajewelKS; moefoe asked me to mount ./dev/hda using gpart |
| 06:41.07 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: google the one you need (or you may know it already) |
| 06:41.07 | perry753 | ok |
| 06:41.29 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: i start with google and after come here |
| 06:41.34 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: no, that should write the partition table that gpart guessed back to the drive |
| 06:41.50 | moefoe | What SerajewelKS said. |
| 06:42.00 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: i don't know that particular layout's map name, sorry, but the command i gave you will get you part of the way there |
| 06:42.02 | sakitram | SerajwelKS; I am sorry, I do not know as he asked I did so. |
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| 06:42.29 | theatro | perry753, use mkpasswd to get a new string to put in your shadow file from a livecd |
| 06:42.40 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:42.46 | sakitram | SerajewelKS; but I remember that in 3 weeks ago when someone here helped me, he also said a command like this to execute . And got recovered my linux successfully. |
| 06:42.54 | perry753 | theatro, ok |
| 06:42.58 | perry753 | I am new to linux |
| 06:43.05 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: just run what moefoe said: gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda |
| 06:43.07 | sakitram | moefoe: he said nothing,. |
| 06:43.13 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: when it asks you to write, tell it to write |
| 06:43.29 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: he didn't highlight your nick, but he said it |
| 06:43.31 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: is there a mailing list for sid user ? |
| 06:43.33 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: run that command |
| 06:43.43 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: not that i know of offhand, you might try debian-user |
| 06:43.47 | sakitram | SerajewelKS: I did so, and waiting for the completion of the command because, it is prompting me to give input. Please have a look at http://pastebin.com/d7c475f91 |
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| 06:44.02 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: q |
| 06:44.07 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 06:44.11 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: you should have said "n" instead of "y" |
| 06:44.31 | sakitram | sorry, now I entered q |
| 06:44.46 | sakitram | now I got "Activate which partition (1..4, q to quit) : " |
| 06:44.46 | sakitram | ? |
| 06:45.01 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 06:45.04 | SerajewelKS | try 4 |
| 06:45.15 | simonrvn | dimir: hello |
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| 06:45.43 | sakitram | Write this partition table (y,n) : |
| 06:45.46 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: i find the command it's setxkbmap -rules xfree86 -model pc105 -layout fr |
| 06:45.48 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: y |
| 06:46.00 | sakitram | ** Error: rereading partition table: Device or resource busy. |
| 06:46.06 | sakitram | * Warning: partition table written, you should reboot now. |
| 06:46.09 | simonrvn | Zmanu: -rules xorg |
| 06:46.13 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: ok. run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and give it those values. |
| 06:46.18 | sakitram | what to do now? I got command promot. |
| 06:46.19 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: then it'll remember. |
| 06:46.23 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: reboot and pray |
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| 06:46.31 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: remove the livecd |
| 06:46.33 | sakitram | SerajewelKS, thanks |
| 06:46.40 | Zmanu | simonrvn: with xfree that work |
| 06:46.45 | sakitram | moefoe: thank you |
| 06:46.49 | simonrvn | Zmanu: unless you're still on sarge, then it's xfree86 |
| 06:46.50 | SerajewelKS | sakitram: if it worked you should boot linux, if not boot knoppix again and tell us. |
| 06:46.58 | SerajewelKS | boot debian* |
| 06:46.59 | moefoe | sakitram, no problem. SerajewelKS - thank you as well |
| 06:47.10 | sakitram | SerajewelKS: yes |
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| 06:47.33 | Zmanu | simonrvn: i'm under sid so it's xorg |
| 06:48.01 | Zmanu | SerajewelKS: rhanks for help |
| 06:48.06 | SerajewelKS | Zmanu: np |
| 06:48.17 | SerajewelKS | moefoe: you going to be around for a bit |
| 06:48.27 | moefoe | I'll stay a while. |
| 06:48.44 | SerajewelKS | moefoe: ok. tag, you're it. i gotta go to bed :) |
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| 06:48.55 | moefoe | I'd like to see if he gets his system back. Gnights SerajewelKS |
| 06:48.58 | [tor] | Hi im trying to compile an application that uses boost_threads but im getting ""Compiler threading support is not turned on. Please set the correct command line options for threading" |
| 06:49.10 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: nini |
| 06:49.21 | SerajewelKS | moefoe: nod, me too. if you'd be so kind, pm me if you find out if it worked. |
| 06:49.22 | deadcat | how do i burn .mp3 files via wodim/cdrecord? or i hvae to use some other software? i have a dir with 19 songs |
| 06:49.32 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: g'night |
| 06:49.33 | moefoe | SerajewelKS, 'k |
| 06:49.47 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: with cdrecord you have to transcode to wav first |
| 06:49.58 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: what do i use? |
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| 06:50.23 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: lame -d, or see the manpage of any other mp3 encoder worth its salt |
| 06:50.32 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 06:50.32 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: or use something like brasero or k3b |
| 06:50.39 | SerajewelKS | ok i'm really going to bed now |
| 06:50.42 | SerajewelKS | night |
| 06:50.44 | [Nige] | is squid 2.6 broken for transparent proxies? |
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| 06:51.34 | simonrvn | [Nige]: BTS |
| 06:51.35 | freetos | does etch igive you the option during the install, to install everything in stable and testing? |
| 06:51.45 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:51.45 | [Nige] | BTS ???? |
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| 06:52.16 | Azar | freetos: you only install one of them |
| 06:52.39 | [Nige] | ahhhhh |
| 06:52.44 | [Nige] | bug tracking system? |
| 06:52.51 | peterS | [Nige]: he means http://bugs.debian.org/src:squid |
| 06:53.02 | peterS | as in, check that and see if anyone seems to be having problems |
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| 06:56.14 | DStefanD | hi |
| 06:56.33 | chimera7 | hello |
| 06:56.46 | gary4gar | i able not able to open random websites sites, like google opens but gmail does not. even i tried opening sites on a live cd, now everything is fine on the session, every site open |
| 06:56.50 | moefoe | (mumble) touchy feely (mumble) |
| 06:56.54 | DStefanD | I intend to install debian gnu/linux on several machine with identical hardware. |
| 06:57.00 | gary4gar | seems like routing problem |
| 06:57.19 | gary4gar | i am posting this from a live session |
| 06:57.41 | Azar | DStefanD: good for you |
| 06:57.49 | gary4gar | also sites like orkut,lenovo does not open |
| 06:58.08 | DStefanD | Well, is there any software that lets me automate the installation-process? |
| 06:58.08 | gary4gar | whereas i can connect to irc,google |
| 06:58.24 | gary4gar | it seems pretty strange :( |
| 06:58.26 | kgoetz | DStefanD: depends what level of automation. look at mondo, or preseeding |
| 06:58.57 | chimera7 | Dstefand: You can also just copy the installed files to multiple computers |
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| 06:59.53 | gary4gar | i also pinged gmail, all packets dropped :( |
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| 07:00.05 | gary4gar | whereas good works fine :| |
| 07:00.22 | DStefanD | chimera7: Yep, but that would still require me to manually install debian on every single machine. |
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| 07:00.34 | moefoe | Install one machine .. do a partition copy for all the others? |
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| 07:01.25 | DStefanD | yes, and how do I do that? :) |
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| 07:01.44 | edison04 | DStefanD, you can use partimage |
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| 07:02.12 | jelly-home | DStefanD: have you already googled for "clone linux installation"? |
| 07:02.25 | edison04 | DStefanD, does your hard disk on the other machine is the same ? |
| 07:02.29 | sakitram | moefoe: I got my hard disk recovered |
| 07:02.34 | moefoe | O.O |
| 07:02.35 | ofer | what's the program for checking which program is using a file ? |
| 07:02.35 | sakitram | moefoe: but do not get booting |
| 07:02.39 | moefoe | HALLAUA! |
| 07:03.02 | tarzeau | ofer: lsof or fuser |
| 07:03.07 | ofer | thanks |
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| 07:03.19 | moefoe | sakitram, what message do you get on attempting to boot? |
| 07:03.24 | Azar | bows to mister tarzeau |
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| 07:03.42 | DStefanD | edison04: Yes, the HardDisks are the same... |
| 07:03.55 | edison04 | DStefanD, that verry easy |
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| 07:04.20 | sakitram | moefoe: when I choose menu in GRUB boot, I get error "Unable to find the parition" |
| 07:04.25 | edison04 | DStefanD, first install the linux on the source machine |
| 07:04.51 | gary4gar | :( |
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| 07:05.22 | Azar | gary4gar: your problem is a browser one |
| 07:06.03 | sakitram | and the menu is "root (hd0,2), kernel .... root=/dev/hda3", and once I change root (hd0,3), I got booting but ends at the middle and get "Unable to mount the partition" |
| 07:06.03 | edison04 | DStefanD, they are many way to do that. Did you alredy installed the linux on the source machine ? |
| 07:06.27 | gary4gar | Azar: even POP3 protocals,traceroute & ping are working |
| 07:06.38 | gary4gar | Azar: it can't be a broswer one |
| 07:06.47 | Azar | gary4gar: yep your browser is not working correctly then |
| 07:07.06 | edison04 | DStefanD, i'm trying to figure out witch way is the best for you |
| 07:07.22 | Azar | gary4gar: try it with lynx or links see if is working |
| 07:07.24 | moefoe | sakitram, is that the exact message? "unable to find partition?" |
| 07:07.33 | DStefanD | edison04: I haven't already installed linux on my source machine. |
| 07:07.43 | DStefanD | In fact, I don't have access to the machines yet. |
| 07:07.59 | Azar | moefoe: he uses an ext2 fs... maybe that is the reason.. |
| 07:08.04 | sakitram | moefoe: I am sorry, not sure. But once I choose and I get immediately the error message came. |
| 07:08.19 | DStefanD | All I know is that the number of machines is about 50 and they are all ecactly the same. |
| 07:08.37 | gary4gar | Azar: i have ice waesel |
| 07:08.54 | Azar | gary4gar: you got lynx too, at command line |
| 07:08.56 | gary4gar | Azar: i also tried opeara & flock |
| 07:08.58 | edison04 | DStefanD, ok first you will partition the source machine of the root partition like 5Gb or the needed space to install your linux |
| 07:09.09 | sakitram | moefoe: please have a look at http://pastebin.com/m7d384fca |
| 07:09.16 | Azar | gary4gar: try it with lynx at command line |
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| 07:09.41 | gary4gar | Azar: the thing is now i am not on my lenny installion, this msg i am posting from a live session |
| 07:10.06 | Azar | meh lenny, sorry I don't have ideas on lenny |
| 07:10.25 | gary4gar | anyone else can help?? |
| 07:10.32 | sakitram | moefoe: I'm sorry, I forgot to notedown the exact error message. |
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| 07:10.55 | gary4gar | some networking guru here?? |
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| 07:12.09 | edison04 | DStefanD, joint to #clone channel i have many thing to write |
| 07:13.11 | moefoe | sakitram, does it get past GRUB? Does the kernal load at all? |
| 07:13.37 | sakitram | GRUB being passed once I change root (hd0,2) to root (hd0,3) |
| 07:13.48 | sakitram | but kernal is never loaded. |
| 07:14.07 | sakitram | I think I get hang at mouting kernel |
| 07:14.32 | Maliuta | mounting the kernel? not mounting the root fs? |
| 07:14.38 | moefoe | sakitram, can you cat /etc/fstab ? |
| 07:14.58 | moefoe | on /dev/hda4 that is |
| 07:15.01 | sakitram | yes, 1min |
| 07:15.45 | sakitram | http://pastebin.com/m74595a82 |
| 07:16.27 | moefoe | Ok, root file system is /dev/hda4 ... |
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| 07:16.42 | moefoe | so ... |
| 07:17.00 | moefoe | change in grub root = (hd0, 4) ? |
| 07:17.10 | sakitram | moefoe: I think when I delete the partition, I deleted the swap or boot parition. May be I am wrong. |
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| 07:17.31 | sakitram | moefoe: and then try booting again? |
| 07:17.41 | moefoe | Yes |
| 07:17.45 | moefoe | Worth a shot |
| 07:17.47 | sakitram | ok |
| 07:18.12 | sakitram | soon back. |
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| 07:21.35 | ikqknxiqw | hi friends |
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| 07:23.04 | Azar | hehe EU tells "open source" (not Debian ok?) to pay MS patent tax.. |
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| 07:23.39 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 07:24.09 | kasha | Hi, i have two servers on one comp listen on ports 25 and 2500 and i have redirect connection from some subnet in port 25 to 2500, i create iptables rule, but it work strange. Sometimes it was work right, somtimes no. |
| 07:24.15 | Azar | Azar complies: http://lwn.net/Articles/255481/ |
| 07:24.40 | contrast83 | Is it possible to make APT *always* look in a certain place for a CD-based repository, rather than /media/cdrom exclusively? |
| 07:24.59 | kasha | this rule is $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s 192.168.0.0/16 -d $external-ip --dport 25 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 2500 |
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| 07:25.35 | ikqknxiqw | i want to know how much of a download with wget is done, how can i find out |
| 07:25.40 | moefoe | Microsoft Communications Protocol Program? It's NetBEUI, right? |
| 07:25.46 | zoidy | I'm trying to install the sendmail package but apt tells me "package is broken", what's up with that? |
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| 07:26.29 | Azar | zoidy: try using aptitude install maybe that fixes the broken dependencies |
| 07:26.39 | ringo999 | hi. im on a laptop and i have to switch between two networks, static and dhcp. what is the fastest way doing it? should I use ifconfig? |
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| 07:27.07 | ringo999 | i install network-manager-gnome but all i got is the nm-applet. there is no option to configure really |
| 07:27.17 | ikqknxiqw | #wget |
| 07:27.33 | kasha | ringo999, try look man interfaces |
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| 07:28.05 | zoidy | Azar: thanks, that worked |
| 07:28.07 | Azar | moefoe: no idea, but I know that MS has patented lots of prior art shamelessly as well |
| 07:28.16 | moefoe | heh. |
| 07:28.18 | moefoe | yeah. |
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| 07:29.47 | Azar | la guillotine for messer Ballmer |
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| 07:39.07 | sakitram | moefoe: Please see the report at http://pastebin.com/m73988856 |
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| 07:42.04 | moefoe | um |
| 07:42.30 | moefoe | (h40,4) should be (h0,4) ... |
| 07:42.33 | moefoe | I believe |
| 07:42.42 | moefoe | or rather |
| 07:42.48 | moefoe | (h40,4) should be (hd0,4) ... |
| 07:43.08 | sakitram | moefoe: oh!! that is my typing mistake |
| 07:43.22 | sakitram | moefoe: but I entered correctly in the grub when testing. |
| 07:45.10 | moefoe | sakitram, cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:45.19 | moefoe | & put in pastebin |
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| 07:46.35 | sakitram | http://pastebin.com/d599cdc4d |
| 07:46.46 | pif | hi, what is the command to configure a base system installed with debootstap? |
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| 07:48.13 | Azar | pif: configure what on a base system? |
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| 07:48.45 | pif | the whole sheband, network, dhcp, hostname |
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| 07:49.04 | Azar | it configures at install time |
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| 07:49.15 | PriceChild | !ops Msn is a pm spammer. |
| 07:49.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pricechild complains about: Msn is a pm spammer. |
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| 07:49.32 | pif | it didn't |
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| 07:50.02 | moefoe | OK, sakitram, so it should read "120 root (hd0,4)" |
| 07:50.04 | moefoe | I think |
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| 07:50.17 | troubled | tomaw: trigger fingers ;p |
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| 07:50.31 | Shaoran-1ama | Has anyone gotten network-manager-kde to work with an ipw3945 card? It hangs when trying to obtain ip from the router |
| 07:50.32 | tomaw | :) |
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| 07:50.58 | moefoe | sakitram, it seems that /dev/hda4 is the root partition, the location of your kernel. |
| 07:51.07 | sakitram | moefoe: yes, I tried (hd0,4) by pressing "e" in GRUB menu. |
| 07:51.16 | sakitram | moefoe: yes |
| 07:51.36 | Azar | pif: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
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| 07:52.06 | moefoe | sakitram, You can try running thru the different partitions 1 thru 4, and see what boots |
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| 07:52.40 | p-a-v | sakitram: why is initrd entry missing for the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 07:53.00 | sakitram | moefoe: please have a lookt at http://pastebin.com/d1c827ee4 |
| 07:53.39 | sakitram | p-a-v: actually I do not use 2.6.22. I use only the first menu Linux. |
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| 07:54.03 | p-a-v | ok |
| 07:54.10 | fyrestrtr | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:54.10 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
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| 07:54.13 | sakitram | moefoe: Windows boots successfully. But Linux does not. |
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| 07:54.39 | moefoe | sakitram, that's a big improvement .. hold on I'm checking some grub docs ... |
| 07:54.49 | sakitram | moefoe: thanks |
| 07:56.24 | sakitram | p-a-v: I do not know why initrd is missing. But it was working .... |
| 07:58.17 | ctp | hi folks. i have some trouble upgrading etch. anyone knows what's going wrong here: "libc6-i386: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is installed and it is kept back." |
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| 07:58.20 | ctp | http://rafb.net/p/5qxxna75.html |
| 07:59.09 | Azar | hahahahaha!!! keeper: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200608/expired.gif |
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| 08:00.15 | pif | Azar: thanks, but I'm looking for the name a the utility |
| 08:00.20 | pif | s/a/of/ |
| 08:00.32 | Azar | ctp: did you perform an aptitude update - first? |
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| 08:00.49 | moefoe | sakitram, before all this happened, what was /dev/hda2 ? |
| 08:00.57 | ctp | Azar: i did |
| 08:01.09 | fyrestrtr | guys, which codec do I have to install to be able to play .flv files (outside of a browser) |
| 08:01.19 | sakitram | moefoe: it was FAT32 and used for backup. |
| 08:01.32 | MelkorD | fyrestrtr: Install mpleayer |
| 08:01.36 | Azar | pif: I do not know why your installation did not prompt you for your connection specifics, the reconfiguration is done with "dpkg-reconfigure .... " |
| 08:01.48 | MelkorD | fyrestrtr: Recent versions handla .flv without any bigger problems |
| 08:02.16 | Azar | ctp: then this message means that aptitude found a certain package not appropriate dependency-wise to your Distro, try it again sometimes there are hiccups |
| 08:02.18 | ctp | fyrestrtr: flv == flashvideo |
| 08:02.18 | fyrestrtr | yeah -- I ended up doing that; but vlc doesn't play them, and mplayer doesn't play sound. |
| 08:02.43 | fyrestrtr | and I think the sound issue has to do with alsa in general, since no sound works. |
| 08:02.53 | MelkorD | fyrestrtr: Eeee, which mplayer version ? And are you sure this is not alsa related ? |
| 08:02.58 | MelkorD | fyrestrtr: Ahh :) |
| 08:03.04 | MelkorD | Need to go sorry |
| 08:03.09 | Azar | ctp: could you show your sources.list content, maybe your apt is going places.. |
| 08:03.31 | rawicki | Hi. I'm using Sid and I have strange problem with my keyboard. Some keys are mixed up (especially arrows and insert, delete etc.) |
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| 08:03.50 | rawicki | On the upper arrow I have PrintScreen |
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| 08:04.23 | rawicki | It's only on KDE, in KDM or tty keyboard works ok. |
| 08:05.20 | rawicki | The problem is probably caused by yesterday upgrade - I discovered it today. |
| 08:05.23 | moefoe | sakitram, what happens if you leave it at (hd0,2) |
| 08:05.24 | moefoe | ? |
| 08:05.41 | ctp | Azar: i tried to upgrade same boxes several weeks ago. same behaviour. it's a intel dual core (amd64 as distro branch). my source-list: http://rafb.net/p/f2CLNG99.html |
| 08:05.45 | rawicki | Changing keyboard map didn't helped. |
| 08:05.50 | sakitram | yes, I show at http://pastebin.com/m73988856 |
| 08:05.55 | fyrestrtr | does anyone know of a us backports mirror for etch? Or are mirrors only available in europe :( |
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| 08:06.12 | sakitram | moefoe: yes, I show at http://pastebin.com/m73988856 |
| 08:06.20 | rawicki | Could anyone help me? |
| 08:06.47 | moefoe | sakitram, that "(h40,4)" has me concerned. It should be something like (hd0, ... |
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| 08:06.57 | moefoe | Not (h40 ... |
| 08:07.17 | sakitram | moefoe: please trust, I did correctly at GRUB |
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| 08:07.39 | Azar | ctp: I never seen a deb-src for security line.. |
| 08:07.41 | sakitram | moefor: but shown in pastebin are prepares with text editor in Knoppix live cd |
| 08:07.52 | moefoe | sakitram, can you change it back to (hd0,2) instead? |
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| 08:07.59 | sakitram | moefoe: so that is just typing mistake. |
| 08:08.30 | Azar | ctp: the non-us is not anymore you can remove that too |
| 08:08.33 | sakitram | moefoe: I tried all (hd0,2), (hd0,3), (hd0,4) and all those output infos are written on a paper |
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| 08:08.54 | ctp | Azar: ok, did both |
| 08:08.59 | sakitram | moefoe: then using Knoppix Live cd, I posted thos written info at that pastebin |
| 08:08.59 | moefoe | sakitram, and it basically said "can not mount partition?" |
| 08:09.07 | sakitram | yes |
| 08:09.18 | Azar | ctp: line 10 replace stable with etch for consistency sake, add non-free contrib to lines 7 8 |
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| 08:09.32 | ctp | Azar: ok |
| 08:09.46 | Azar | ok save and try again : aptitude update aptitude upgrade |
| 08:10.17 | sakitram | moefoe: ok, if you want, I shall try once again. (hd0,4) |
| 08:10.21 | sakitram | moefoe: ? |
| 08:10.28 | moefoe | sakitram, hold on' |
| 08:10.34 | sakitram | ok |
| 08:11.31 | moefoe | sakitram, ok I know this is annoying, but, can you do a fresh pastebin of /ect/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 08:11.45 | sakitram | yes, 1min |
| 08:11.48 | moefoe | ty |
| 08:11.58 | Azar | ctp I never used a multimedia source, I assume is ok but I have no idea what that repo contains |
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| 08:12.32 | Azar | ctp: if you get same issue, try commenting for now the multimedia line and try again.. |
| 08:13.01 | sakitram | moefoe: http://pastebin.com/d43951231 |
| 08:13.39 | moefoe | Ok that's the fs |
| 08:13.51 | moefoe | and ... what does grub think ... |
| 08:14.17 | ctp | Azar: the multimedia repo has no non-free/contrib branch: "Couldn't stat source package list http://debian-multimedia.informatik.uni-erlangen.de etch/non-free Packages". commented out the whole multimedia repo source. same issue :-( |
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| 08:14.37 | pif | any kernel option to wath for when custom compiling for 64 bits ? |
| 08:14.39 | sakitram | moefoe: grub also added there |
| 08:14.46 | pif | s/wath/watch |
| 08:14.52 | sakitram | moefoe: do you want separate post? |
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| 08:15.10 | moefoe | sakitram, I'm ok .. looking at in now |
| 08:16.03 | moefoe | sakitram, Here is the problem - the fstab file claims the root is /dev/hda4 .. grub thinks it's /dev/hda3 |
| 08:16.35 | moefoe | sakitram, you must be doing a mount to get that "cat /mnt/linux/etc/fstab" |
| 08:16.42 | moefoe | what is the mount you are using? |
| 08:16.43 | sakitram | yes |
| 08:16.54 | sakitram | I mounted /dev/hda4 /mnt/linux |
| 08:17.09 | moefoe | Ok, so /dev/hda4 really is the root part. |
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| 08:17.25 | sakitram | yes |
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| 08:17.47 | moefoe | we need to convince grub that the root is /dev/hda4 |
| 08:17.54 | sakitram | yes |
| 08:17.54 | Azar | ctp: try apt-get update / upgrade .. |
| 08:18.18 | sakitram | moefoe: how to do that? |
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| 08:18.42 | nils_ | hmm I don't have /etc/init.d/iptables on etch (to save iptables settings via boot), I didn't find it in package search, has that changed somehow? |
| 08:19.00 | moefoe | sakitram, can you do a "cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.backup" ? |
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| 08:19.16 | sakitram | moefoe: yes |
| 08:19.17 | Azar | ctp, sometimes packages and relatives installed with apt-get will give you this kind of notifications when you try upgrade with aptitude |
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| 08:19.41 | sakitram | moefoe: I did so. |
| 08:19.42 | moefoe | sakitram, then you are going to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst & change the /dev/hda3 to /dev/hda4 |
| 08:19.45 | Azar | ctp meaning that aptitude does not see/recognize them |
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| 08:19.55 | sakitram | moefoe: yes, I do it now |
| 08:19.59 | moefoe | 'k |
| 08:20.19 | sakitram | done |
| 08:20.28 | moefoe | sakitram, give that at shot. and reboot. Let's see what she says now. |
| 08:20.28 | sakitram | anychanges in root (hd0,2)? |
| 08:20.31 | ctp | Azar: same error message. i've googled around and found this one: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=94598& but how to find out which package conflicts? the guy is writing it was virtualbox but i have no clue how he found out this in his case. virtualbox is not installed here. |
| 08:20.47 | moefoe | sakitram, leave (hd0,2) alone for now |
| 08:21.07 | sakitram | ok |
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| 08:21.10 | nils_ | or do I even confuse it with another distribution? I'll simply write a script. |
| 08:21.28 | sakitram | moefoe: please visit : http://pastebin.com/d229b8a65 |
| 08:21.42 | sakitram | moefoe: if ok, then I shall reboot to try again. |
| 08:21.44 | sakitram | ? |
| 08:21.46 | moefoe | 'k |
| 08:21.49 | moefoe | wait one |
| 08:21.54 | sakitram | moefoe: thanks, ok? |
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| 08:22.50 | moefoe | sakitram, I checked that should do it. Give it a try |
| 08:23.05 | sakitram | moefoe: thanks, I shall try now |
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| 08:23.20 | ctp | Azar: apt-get -f install returns me http://rafb.net/p/jWvp6r99.html |
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| 08:23.29 | ctp | Azar: *confused* |
| 08:24.11 | Azar | ctp: hmmm I am not expert but you could consult the aptitude README on /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 08:26.44 | Azar | ctp: "If the dependencies have changed on one of the packages you have installed so that a new package must be installed to perform the upgrade then that will be listed as "kept-back". |
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| 08:28.18 | Azar | ctp: try running aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 08:28.38 | hjan | will debian enter into an agreement with MS like turbolinux and others did? |
| 08:28.43 | ctp | Azar: ah, ok. mni thx for your help, by the way ;-) |
| 08:28.51 | tarzeau | hjan: to do what? |
| 08:29.11 | hjan | tarzeau, whatever the motive of the others was. |
| 08:29.33 | tarzeau | hjan: what was it? |
| 08:29.44 | tarzeau | hjan: i don't think so... |
| 08:30.04 | Azar | ctp just hope it works now |
| 08:30.17 | ctp | Azar: hm, looks interesting: http://rafb.net/p/I04TRy96.html |
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| 08:30.35 | hjan | tarzeau, it would be ok for debian since it is only a community rather than a commercial thing. |
| 08:30.59 | tarzeau | hjan: but what would it be good for? |
| 08:32.09 | Guerin | hjan: it depends on the details. My instict is that debian would do no such thing. |
| 08:32.10 | Azar | ctp: eww not nice, when did you installed Debian Etch? |
| 08:32.59 | fyrestrtr | what would debian gain from such a relationship? |
| 08:33.07 | ctp | Azar: 4-5 months ago |
| 08:33.24 | Azar | ctp: did you force any new kernel with backports? |
| 08:33.36 | hjan | Guerin, agree. |
| 08:34.13 | Guerin | fyrestrtr: precisely. |
| 08:34.19 | ctp | Azar: no backports. it's a pool of 12 workstations which have to run reliable, so I never use backports for such requirements. |
| 08:34.31 | Guerin | a non-profit entity has no assets to seize, no shareholders to bankrupt. |
| 08:34.35 | freetos | could someone please post me the defualt lines in there sources.list file that are uncommented? |
| 08:34.40 | freetos | etch that is |
| 08:34.48 | Guerin | fyrestrtr: there is no default. man sources.list |
| 08:34.52 | Guerin | argh |
| 08:34.53 | hjan | fyrestrtr, i think the others did it not for gain but out of fear. |
| 08:35.02 | Guerin | freetos: there is no default. man sources.list |
| 08:35.13 | Guerin | hjan: lack of fear is a gain to some. |
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| 08:35.26 | freetos | i'm not running debian per sa.. i want to use there repo's and i don't know what the lines are |
| 08:35.30 | Guerin | or freedom from fear, if you prefer |
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| 08:35.51 | hjan | Guerin is getting philosophical. |
| 08:35.56 | Guerin | freetos: debian.org/mirrors |
| 08:36.09 | fyrestrtr | the default lines are those of the cdrom |
| 08:36.11 | Guerin | hjan: no, i'm talking in terms of bare economic utility. |
| 08:36.15 | fyrestrtr | be right back. |
| 08:36.32 | ctp | Azar: ok, i have some new hints: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/5997 *reading* |
| 08:36.56 | hjan | how debian doing? is there a site which provides info about the various linux distros? |
| 08:36.59 | Azar | ctp: ok read this short comment too: http://www.webservertalk.com/archive291-2004-12-626948.html |
| 08:37.10 | ctp | Azar: thx ;-) |
| 08:37.20 | hjan | info about the popularity of the various linux distros? |
| 08:37.40 | theatro | hjan, www.distrowatch.com |
| 08:37.46 | hjan | thks. |
| 08:37.54 | Guerin | hjan: distrowatch.org. But who cares? Debian's quality is not proportionate to its popularity. |
| 08:38.00 | Guerin | .com perhaps |
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| 08:39.20 | freetos | could somebody tell me what lines are in there /etc/apt/sources.list like.. deb http://whatever.org main etc.. |
| 08:39.47 | hjan | PCLinuxOS is top. |
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| 08:40.07 | Guerin | freetos: no. go to debian.org/mirrors |
| 08:40.17 | freetos | Guerin: i did |
| 08:40.24 | hjan | is it a open project like debian? |
| 08:40.35 | Guerin | hjan: the Pussycat Dolls are also pretty popular. But that don't make them good. |
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| 08:40.46 | Guerin | freetos: then you have your answer. |
| 08:40.48 | freetos | i didn't see anything about adding lines to /etc/apt/sources.list and there search isn't working |
| 08:40.54 | Guerin | hjan: how shoudl we know about other distros? |
| 08:41.05 | Guerin | freetos: you need to read man sources.list |
| 08:41.36 | sakitram | moefoe: I got my Debian recovered, but some more changes had done in the GRUB config |
| 08:41.36 | moefoe | (mumble) xenix (mumble) |
| 08:41.43 | moefoe | ! |
| 08:41.56 | moefoe | sakitram, it worked, or you are otherwise in? |
| 08:42.00 | moefoe | *excellent* |
| 08:42.00 | hjan | Guerin, Pussycat Dolls are looking for replacement. You interested? |
| 08:42.20 | sakitram | moefoe: http://pastebin.com/m732e49e7 |
| 08:42.24 | Azar | freetos: http://paste.debian.net/40519 |
| 08:42.36 | Guerin | hjan: no, I am not interested in your trollery. |
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| 08:42.45 | longin_ | hi |
| 08:42.45 | sakitram | moefoe: first I tried as you said. But got "No such partition" output |
| 08:42.50 | moefoe | good! very good. |
| 08:42.52 | sakitram | moefoe: then I experiments a little |
| 08:43.11 | sakitram | moefoe: then got my Debian booting. And now I am talking to you through my Debian linux. |
| 08:43.14 | longin_ | is there somebody who can help me with ipw3945 and wpa encrypting ? i cant get it working :/ |
| 08:43.19 | sakitram | moefoe: thank you so much ............................... |
| 08:43.25 | freetos | sakitram: thanks |
| 08:43.30 | freetos | Azar: thanks |
| 08:43.31 | moefoe | Todays lession boys & girls is .. "Partition editor are evil" |
| 08:43.40 | moefoe | sakitram, you are most welcome |
| 08:43.53 | sakitram | moefoe: yes |
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| 08:44.28 | hjan | PCLinuxOS uses synaptic too. Does this mean it is a debian derivative? |
| 08:44.52 | Azar | hjan: maybe , we are not interested in it either |
| 08:45.19 | Azar | hjan: what is that OS? the next microsoft ownage? |
| 08:45.24 | Azar | hehe |
| 08:45.55 | hjan | Azar, :) |
| 08:45.58 | fluxdude | anyone know how to increment or decrement the system sound levels from the command line? |
| 08:46.25 | Azar | good thing you didnt use ex... |
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| 08:47.25 | Guerin | hjan: ask #whofuckingcares about pclinuxos |
| 08:47.34 | hjan | "Get a PCLinuxOS Computer with LCD monitor for $150.00 USD." Is that possible? |
| 08:47.36 | Azar | oh my goddd!! |
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| 08:47.55 | Guerin | hjan: please stop before I am forced to insult you |
| 08:47.58 | Azar | hjan: ask microsoft |
| 08:48.22 | hjan | Guerin, why do you see a need to do that? |
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| 08:49.28 | Guerin | hjan: you're not heeding my admittedly subtle hints to fuck off and troll about non-debian distros elsewhere. It might be a language problem, or it might just be the fact that you're as dumb as a box of hammers. |
| 08:49.34 | Guerin | i wouldn't like to say |
| 08:49.36 | [RUsh] | Hello. I have problems during boot my new kernel: http://cut.and.paste.org/index.php?id=1551 |
| 08:49.58 | Azar | hehe he left |
| 08:50.25 | Guerin | [RUsh]: you need to use a debian kernel or get someone competent to build yours for you. |
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| 08:50.58 | Guerin | Azar: singaporeans seem to be overrepresented in the fucktard stakes |
| 08:51.06 | Azar | Guerin: hahaha |
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| 08:51.34 | Guerin | this is an observation based on long experience and close friendship with singaporeans |
| 08:51.40 | SpeedyG | Hi, whats the absolute minimum diskspace requirement debian has? |
| 08:51.49 | Azar | [RUsh]: if you are in luck and still have the old kernel, try to boot in rescue mode and activate the old kernel |
| 08:51.59 | Guerin | SpeedyG: depends how far you're prepared to go. Realistically, 300MB or so. |
| 08:52.16 | Azar | sans desktop .. |
| 08:52.16 | Guerin | SpeedyG: if you want much less than that you should be looking to damnsmall or something |
| 08:52.20 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:52.38 | Guerin | yeah, maybe 400-500MB with etch |
| 08:52.55 | Guerin | sarge could come in under 300MB, but I'm not sure about new styles |
| 08:53.03 | [RUsh] | Azar, I can boot with new kernel, but I need to boot the new one ) |
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| 08:53.25 | Guerin | [RUsh]: seems like your problem is solved. |
| 08:53.32 | SpeedyG | Guerin: idea is to build a router on an as-small-as possible base :) |
| 08:53.35 | Azar | [RUsh]: use a Debian precompiled kernel... if want a higher version, use backports |
| 08:53.56 | [RUsh] | I just want to build a custom kernel |
| 08:53.57 | Guerin | SpeedyG: `as small as possible' is pointless. Build to your hardware spec. |
| 08:54.03 | [RUsh] | I did it many times |
| 08:54.11 | Guerin | [RUsh]: yes, but you evidently lack the skills to do so. |
| 08:54.11 | Azar | [RUsh]: then do it the debian way.. ? |
| 08:54.18 | Shadur | [RUsh]: You want the kernel-package package. It's really nice. |
| 08:54.24 | mazzanet | win 22 |
| 08:54.25 | [RUsh] | I used it |
| 08:54.26 | mazzanet | bah |
| 08:54.31 | Guerin | !tell [RUsh] about kp mantra |
| 08:54.42 | SpeedyG | Guerin: thats the whole idea, maybe on a flash-disk of a few hundred MB's |
| 08:54.44 | [RUsh] | and Kernel handbook |
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| 08:55.13 | Guerin | SpeedyG: debian would want a 512MB flash disk. If you must use something smaller, run DSL. |
| 08:55.14 | Azar | [RUsh]: no pun intended, we ment : don't try to build it the gentoo way :) |
| 08:55.28 | Guerin | you *might* be able to fit it in 256. |
| 08:55.56 | DawnLight | what is the best ups design? |
| 08:56.05 | Azar | Guerin: yea, with no desktop, just bare bones.. |
| 08:56.07 | Guerin | DawnLight: the one which works best. |
| 08:56.14 | DawnLight | no shizz |
| 08:56.25 | Azar | ...said Guerin aka Budha |
| 08:56.36 | Guerin | debian installed by debootstrap can be made a lot smaller than debian installed from the cd, with less work. |
| 08:56.41 | [RUsh] | Azar, I don't ) I used debian sources and "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" command to build kernel |
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| 08:56.58 | Guerin | DawnLight: ascii stupid question, get a stupid ansi |
| 08:57.18 | DawnLight | it isn't stupid! why is it stupid? |
| 08:57.24 | Guerin | [RUsh]: you need to configure the fucking thing first. |
| 08:57.25 | Azar | [RUsh]: man, at least you like doing that stuff |
| 08:57.28 | Guerin | [RUsh]: use the kp mantra. |
| 08:57.32 | SpeedyG | Guerin: ok thanks :) |
| 08:57.41 | Guerin | DawnLight: because you don't specify what you mean. |
| 08:57.49 | Guerin | !best |
| 08:57.49 | [RUsh] | ok, I'll use that hint |
| 08:57.49 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 08:58.06 | Azar | eww ewww three times ewwwwwwwww |
| 08:58.20 | ctp | Azar: hm, I try to remove the package producing the whole trouble: nspluginwrapper. "apt-get remove --purge" returns me same "unmet dependencies" error message. how to force to remove a package? |
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| 08:58.44 | Azar | ctp: did you used apt-get or aptitude to install it? |
| 08:58.52 | Guerin | ctp: remove the packages whose deps are broken. |
| 08:58.59 | DawnLight | there are a few types of ups designs |
| 08:59.34 | Guerin | DawnLight:yes, clearly. Two issues: 1. what do you want from your UPS? 2. why the fuck are you asking #debian? |
| 08:59.37 | Azar | ctp: if you used aptitude, removed it with aptitude... same for apt-get |
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| 09:00.34 | ctp | Guerin: "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed". cannot remove libc6 and libc6-dev in this running environment. |
| 09:00.53 | Guerin | ctp: remove libc6-dev |
| 09:01.29 | Azar | ctp then reinstall it when done with removing ndpluginwrapper |
| 09:01.30 | Guerin | ctp: it seems you may have fux0red yourself; or at leasy tried to do so. |
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| 09:01.41 | xlotlu | Guerin: in a bad mood today? |
| 09:01.53 | saintiss | hi all |
| 09:01.53 | Guerin | xlotlu: not at all, why do you ask? |
| 09:02.01 | DawnLight | he attacked me, xlotlu |
| 09:02.13 | Azar | no, that's Guerin as we knew it, he is back to normal |
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| 09:02.21 | saintiss | if I boot my 64-bit system with a 32-bit kernel, the CPU Mhz as displayed in /proc/cpuinfo is halved as well... is that normal? |
| 09:02.22 | Guerin | DawnLight: i didn't attack you, I called you out for asking a stupid question, which you manifestly did. |
| 09:02.25 | xlotlu | DawnLight: you probably deserved it :) |
| 09:02.32 | A-L-A-R-M | is it dangerous to do a kernel patch for 2.6.13 release on my 2.6.18 kernel ? |
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| 09:02.54 | tralala | yes |
| 09:02.57 | DawnLight | humph! |
| 09:03.02 | Guerin | Azar: it'll either work or not. If it does, no harm done. If it doesn't, it probably won't even build, so no harm done. |
| 09:03.09 | Guerin | argh |
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| 09:03.15 | Azar | hehe |
| 09:03.20 | Guerin | A-L-A-R-M: your nick is shit. see above re: `no harm done' |
| 09:03.26 | A-L-A-R-M | :) |
| 09:03.49 | Guerin | much more sensible |
| 09:03.50 | SlayerXP | Guerin: or it will compile, will boot and then royally trash all his data. |
| 09:03.54 | Azar | DawnLight: just think of Guerin as the teacher with a stick |
| 09:03.58 | Alarm | its a patch for the mouse . i read everyone its known as a kernel bug. the pointer jumps arround , clicks everyone , zooms and so on |
| 09:04.09 | Alarm | and changing the xorg.conf doesnt have any effect at all |
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| 09:04.15 | Guerin | SlayerXP: a diminishingly small possibility, but certainly possible given a properly crafted patch |
| 09:04.20 | sep | Alarm, where is this patch !!! |
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| 09:04.39 | xlotlu | Alarm: that rather sounds as using the wrong mouse driver |
| 09:04.39 | Alarm | on google ? |
| 09:04.41 | sep | Alarm, i hate that with a passion |
| 09:04.52 | Guerin | Alarm: that often happens when you have both psmouse and usb-hid trying to run the mouse device |
| 09:04.53 | Alarm | xlotlu, i read many websites about it |
| 09:04.56 | Azar | Guerin this one applies royally to you: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200608/expired.gif |
| 09:05.22 | Guerin | Azar: heh. |
| 09:05.27 | sep | everytime you swap to a $broken_os that resets the mouse, the linux mousedriver gets confused. and i have to reload the kernel psmouse module for it to reset in linux again |
| 09:05.31 | sep | n your kvm |
| 09:05.49 | Alarm | i got on my kernel logs : kernel: psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away. |
| 09:05.56 | sep | it messes with the mousewhel |
| 09:06.13 | Alarm | xlotlu, i dont thing its a driver isue. |
| 09:06.20 | sep | Alarm, not the same as i am talking about then, pity. i hoped you had a solution to my issue |
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| 09:06.38 | Alarm | sep check here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-66958-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-100.html maybe its something you are looking for |
| 09:07.15 | Alarm | Guerin, meaning with usb-hid ? |
| 09:07.55 | Guerin | Alarm: usb-hid or usbhid or something is the thing which drives all your usb human interface devices |
| 09:07.56 | xlotlu | Alarm: then patch it, if it applies cleanly, compiles and works, lucky you |
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| 09:08.23 | Guerin | Alarm: if you don't think it's a driver issue, why are you building a kernel module? |
| 09:08.24 | Alarm | xlotlu, the problem is not to patch it. the problem is that i am aware of the fact that on the next reboot my mouse wont work at all |
| 09:08.30 | reZo | is there any way to adjust the program "screen" screen resolution to fit another monitor, if screen has been started on a different computer / monitor / resolution? |
| 09:08.35 | Guerin | Alarm: the kernel is nothing but drivers |
| 09:08.39 | Guerin | (and stuff) |
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| 09:08.41 | reZo | but still keep it as the same resolution fro the initailized machine |
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| 09:09.05 | Alarm | Guerin, everywhere is defined as a bug or something, why in my case should be a driver ? i got a simple 2 button with wheel mouse. |
| 09:09.31 | Guerin | Alarm: a bug in what, though? |
| 09:09.46 | Alarm | kernel. |
| 09:09.48 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 09:09.49 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 09:09.53 | g00se | Any way to do something to my partitions such that Windoze can't be installed over top of Linux? |
| 09:09.54 | Guerin | Alarm: kernel=drivers |
| 09:10.01 | reZo | !screen |
| 09:10.01 | dpkg | well, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
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| 09:10.04 | Alarm | that should have been fixed , but i dont see the fix having effects on my system |
| 09:10.19 | Alarm | Guerin, believe me , if i knew much about it, i would have fixed it |
| 09:10.21 | Guerin | Alarm: try drxx (above) and choose `imps/2' and /dev/input/mice |
| 09:10.34 | Alarm | i allready used imps/2 |
| 09:10.40 | Alarm | i also used microsoft |
| 09:10.40 | Guerin | just try |
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| 09:10.58 | Guerin | (unless you already use /dev/input/mice) |
| 09:10.59 | Alarm | and other protocols as well |
| 09:11.23 | Guerin | imps/2 is the right protocol |
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| 09:12.00 | Alarm | now i dont know if i use it on the right device. i tried also /dev/input/mouse0 and mice , dont know which is correct |
| 09:12.09 | Guerin | mice is correct |
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| 09:12.21 | Guerin | how does it plug in? |
| 09:13.29 | Alarm | ps/2 |
| 09:15.06 | capiira | hi does ssh need something special configured? |
| 09:15.44 | SlayerXP | capiira: can you be less specific? |
| 09:15.53 | capiira | :) |
| 09:16.02 | capiira | i mean to be able to connect |
| 09:16.27 | SlayerXP | so you _can_ be less specific. I'm impressed. |
| 09:16.38 | capiira | hehe |
| 09:16.54 | capiira | dunno how to explain |
| 09:17.41 | Ronin | capiira: start with what you want, what you did and what happened |
| 09:17.46 | capiira | i mean its enabled and setup ready to connect? |
| 09:17.57 | sep | any know if ssh in lenny have a null cipher ? i cant see it in ssh_config(5) |
| 09:18.06 | disposable | SlayerXP, capiira, i almost pissed myself reading this... |
| 09:18.10 | f1d0 | capiira: its ready to be used right after the install |
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| 09:18.29 | capiira | thank you f1d0 |
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| 09:22.35 | capiira | f1d0 and i don't need to setup an account or enable something to use it ? |
| 09:22.50 | capiira | root works out of the box? |
| 09:22.52 | nick_fn | I asked this in Ubuntu, but maybe someone here can help? I'd like to stop apt from changing (up, down, or removing) packages that I've custom built. I've put a name into the version number, such as 1.0~nick , does that help me pin against them? Do I need some other marker? |
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| 09:23.01 | f1d0 | capiira: yes |
| 09:23.08 | capiira | nice |
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| 09:23.41 | saintiss | if I boot my 64-bit system with a 32-bit kernel, the CPU Mhz as displayed in /proc/cpuinfo is halved as well... is that normal? |
| 09:23.54 | disposable | capiira, by default you have only the client installed. (in fresh install of sarge/lenny/whatever). you need to do "apt-get install ssh" if you want the server as well. |
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| 09:24.15 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 09:24.36 | DawnLight | nick_fn: my job here is to get little ubuntu users to convert to using debian power |
| 09:24.49 | disposable | saintiss, no. perhaps in this 32bit kernel you have some speedstep module loaded? |
| 09:25.03 | nick_fn | DawnLight: oh, I use Debian proper on all my own systems. Sadly a few at work use Ubuntu. |
| 09:25.04 | saintiss | disposable, hm, how can I check that? |
| 09:25.12 | capiira | i will do that on my vserver later and try to replace suse |
| 09:25.19 | saintiss | lsmod | grep speed gives nothing |
| 09:25.32 | DawnLight | nick_fn: nice answer! |
| 09:26.08 | disposable | saintiss, lsmod but usually, if you put enough stress on your cpu, the MHz should shoot up. try compiling, compressing or encrypting something and check again. |
| 09:26.20 | DawnLight | nick_fn: i think it is in the package name |
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| 09:26.31 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 09:26.53 | saintiss | disposable, hmm, you seem to be right... during compilation, the Mhz is higher |
| 09:26.55 | f1d0 | capiira: there is some step by step guide on the net that describes how you can migrate from another distribution to debian if you have a so called rescue console |
| 09:26.56 | Ace2016 | anyone know when we'll get a fixed up version of xorg in sid, so that the keyboard leds work again? |
| 09:27.00 | saintiss | disposable, but on 64bit it's always high? |
| 09:27.08 | capiira | with debootstrap |
| 09:27.33 | DawnLight | !tell f1d0 about debootstrep |
| 09:27.42 | saintiss | disposable, and still, the system "feels" slower in 32-bit |
| 09:27.46 | f1d0 | DawnLight: no thanks |
| 09:27.50 | capiira | tell me |
| 09:27.51 | capiira | :D |
| 09:28.12 | f1d0 | capiira: better google for the guide. it takes a few more steps than just the debootstrap |
| 09:28.15 | disposable | saintiss, so it is just saving you money on electricity bill when idling. |
| 09:28.29 | DawnLight | !tell capiira about debootstrap |
| 09:28.36 | capiira | thx |
| 09:28.38 | capiira | ah ok |
| 09:28.40 | saintiss | disposable, but only in 32-bit then? |
| 09:28.40 | disposable | saintiss, placebo effect would be my first guess |
| 09:28.45 | saintiss | heh :) |
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| 09:29.15 | disposable | saintiss, load the appropriate modules in 64bit system and you'll get the same thing |
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| 09:29.26 | saintiss | disposable, and these are the "speedstep" modules? |
| 09:29.38 | schemelab | I'm using postfix + mailman on Debian Stable (Etch). From my mailman list, messages have X-No-Archive set to "Yes" ... where do I change this to "No" and how? |
| 09:29.55 | disposable | saintiss, depends on your architecture - processor type. |
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| 09:30.03 | saintiss | disposable, amd64 |
| 09:30.07 | stmaher | Hi guys.. is anyone familiar with cacti monitoring.. specifically monitoring dell power edge server temps running windows server 2003? |
| 09:30.34 | saintiss | powernow_k8 seems to be loaded |
| 09:30.38 | disposable | saintiss, then not the speedstep but something else. i'll check for you if you can wait a minute |
| 09:30.46 | saintiss | disposable, sure, thanks |
| 09:30.59 | torgrimt | stmaher: look in the cacti forums. there are setups for that in there |
| 09:31.07 | tralala | stmaher, they definitely have fever, because they're infected with a virus |
| 09:31.42 | stmaher | tralala, LOL.. |
| 09:32.03 | stmaher | torgrimt, I did.. I have the template installed and read the forums.. but it shows NAN for all stats.. |
| 09:32.15 | stmaher | torgrimt, which i presume means not a number |
| 09:32.17 | tralala | see how easy it is - you don't need any software to tell |
| 09:32.54 | torgrimt | stmaher: have you installed openmanage on your w2k3 server? ;) |
| 09:33.23 | stmaher | torgrimt, yep.. |
| 09:33.41 | torgrimt | stmaher: try to let cacti output the debug values |
| 09:34.01 | stmaher | Wait.. I think OpenManage might be configured incorrectly.. |
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| 09:35.17 | torgrimt | stmaher: openmanage is a piece of shit ;) there should be a way of pulling the data directly from the drac card also |
| 09:35.44 | stmaher | torgrimt, I dont have a DRAC card :-( .. |
| 09:36.02 | stmaher | torgrimt, second that motion on Openmanage is a piece of shit |
| 09:36.23 | stmaher | torgrimt, do you need a drac to graph temps? |
| 09:36.32 | torgrimt | stmaher: no you dont need it todo it |
| 09:36.43 | torgrimt | i thought all dells came with drac these days |
| 09:36.46 | torgrimt | atleast ours do ;) |
| 09:37.06 | disposable | saintiss, fire up modconf and enable these: cpufreq_ondemand, cpufreq_powersave, cpufreq_userspace, freq_table, powernow-k8 |
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| 09:37.35 | saintiss | disposable, ok, great, thanks! |
| 09:37.52 | disposable | saintiss, that's not all i'm afraid :) |
| 09:38.08 | saintiss | disposable, it isn't? |
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| 09:39.37 | disposable | saintiss, they are all the modules you need but you also need to choose a governor. hang on, i'm googling for you. i haven't done this in a loong while. |
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| 09:40.48 | saintiss | ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:48.28 | disposable | saintiss, install cpufrequtils. and study the documentation it is a very simple program with two commands: cpufreq-info and cpufreq-set. to save electricity you should go for "ondemand" governor. ie. 'cpufreq -g ondemand' |
| 09:49.07 | saintiss | disposable, sounds great... thanks |
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| 09:49.44 | disposable | saintiss, np |
| 09:51.12 | disposable | saintiss, cpufrequtils can set the governor automatically after each reboot. it will place a file in your /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils so you won't have to do it manually every time. read the documentation. |
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| 09:51.45 | saintiss | disposable, ah, perfect |
| 09:54.39 | [RUsh] | I build my kernel using kp mantra and I still have kernel panic during boot: http://cut.and.paste.org/index.php?id=1551 |
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| 09:58.07 | saintiss | hmm... as user, my $LANG is C, but if I su, it becomes en_US.UTF-8. Where is this set? |
| 09:58.48 | DawnLight | saintiss: dpkg-reconfigure locales and logout/login |
| 09:59.13 | DawnLight | !locales |
| 09:59.14 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 09:59.54 | saintiss | DawnLight, ah, /etc/environment.... funnily though, dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't allow me to pick "C" |
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| 10:00.21 | DawnLight | saintiss: you want C? |
| 10:00.31 | saintiss | DawnLight, indeed |
| 10:00.37 | DawnLight | saintiss: why? |
| 10:00.50 | saintiss | because it works... it gives me proper curses fonts |
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| 10:01.31 | DawnLight | saintiss: hmmm... no good. everything should be utf-8 |
| 10:02.21 | saintiss | yeah, but my console fonts don't support unicode I think |
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| 10:02.33 | DawnLight | saintiss: etch? |
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| 10:02.39 | lkthomas_ | hey guys |
| 10:02.47 | DawnLight | !greet lkthomas_ |
| 10:02.47 | dpkg | Gr33tz, lkthomas_ |
| 10:02.51 | saintiss | DawnLight, yes, + testing |
| 10:03.09 | DawnLight | saintiss: what is + ? |
| 10:03.13 | lkthomas_ | if I want to build a RAID 0 before during install debian. how should I do that ? |
| 10:03.17 | saintiss | lenny |
| 10:03.24 | saintiss | started from etch, updated to testing |
| 10:03.29 | DawnLight | !raid |
| 10:03.29 | dpkg | somebody said raid was Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
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| 10:03.51 | DawnLight | !raid0 |
| 10:03.51 | dpkg | i guess raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. |
| 10:04.02 | lkthomas_ | does debian installer support MDADM during installation ? |
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| 10:04.32 | DawnLight | !MDADM |
| 10:04.44 | lkthomas_ | DawnLight: shutup |
| 10:04.46 | lkthomas_ | cut that off |
| 10:05.01 | DawnLight | i'm the bot's bot |
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| 10:05.52 | DawnLight | !lart lkthomas_ |
| 10:06.11 | DawnLight | later |
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| 10:08.04 | [RUsh] | I have kernel panic during boot: http://cut.and.paste.org/index.php?id=1551 |
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| 10:10.53 | xand | lkthomas: yes |
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| 10:11.14 | lkthomas | xand: installer could help me to config it as well ? |
| 10:11.29 | xand | installer will let you create raids using mdadm yes |
| 10:11.39 | xand | or use existing ones |
| 10:11.44 | lkthomas | ok, cool, hmm |
| 10:12.00 | lkthomas | even my motherboard does not support it ? |
| 10:12.21 | xand | mdadm requires no hardware raid support |
| 10:12.28 | lkthomas | cool, hmm |
| 10:12.29 | xand | and doesn't work with it either |
| 10:13.06 | lkthomas | hehe |
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| 10:14.58 | xbeanx | what's the recommended firewall package to use with debian? |
| 10:15.09 | tarzeau | xbeanx: iptables? |
| 10:15.11 | xand | netfilter |
| 10:15.22 | xand | with iptables |
| 10:15.29 | xbeanx | I'll check out netfilter |
| 10:15.34 | tralala | xbeanx, shorewall but it's dificult to get started with it |
| 10:15.38 | xand | check out iptables |
| 10:15.42 | liable | [RUsh]: a debian kernel? |
| 10:15.49 | xand | netfilter is in the kernel, iptables controls it |
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| 10:15.53 | tralala | xbeanx, netfilter is the kernel technology, not a debian package |
| 10:16.02 | xbeanx | lol |
| 10:16.03 | [RUsh] | liable, yes. I'm trying to build my custom kernel from debian sources |
| 10:16.13 | tarzeau | and it's linux only (not like gnu/kfreebsd or gnu/hurd) |
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| 10:16.26 | xbeanx | well I'm looking for something to write my iptable rules for me |
| 10:16.35 | tralala | xbeanx, shorewall |
| 10:16.36 | sha | shorewall |
| 10:16.41 | sep | shorewall |
| 10:16.44 | xbeanx | heh |
| 10:17.14 | liable | [RUsh]: unlikely its clean debian sources without some kind of patching oe external module causing the panic |
| 10:17.14 | tralala | One of these days I should follow my advice and replace my handmade junk rules with shorewall, but... |
| 10:17.52 | sha | but it's a dirty dirty boring work? |
| 10:18.10 | sep | tralala, if it's not broken, don't touch it ? |
| 10:18.24 | [RUsh] | liable, I installed them using apt-get install linux-sources |
| 10:18.26 | tralala | sha, hey how are reading my thoughts! Get out of my head now! |
| 10:19.29 | tralala | sep, it must be broken but because my ip knowledge sucks I don't know just how broken it is |
| 10:19.36 | liable | [RUsh]: if you are just using debian sources and not patching or anything, why are you bothering? |
| 10:20.21 | [RUsh] | liable, sorry, don't understand... bothering? |
| 10:20.32 | [RUsh] | english isn't my native lang |
| 10:20.47 | liable | [RUsh]: why exactly are you compiling a kernel? |
| 10:20.49 | sha | tralala: not in your head, i just know your iptable rules;) |
| 10:21.05 | [RUsh] | liable, I want to disable a number of unneeded options |
| 10:21.33 | liable | [RUsh]: why? |
| 10:21.33 | sha | and as a side effect you can optimize it for your ARCH |
| 10:21.45 | sep | [RUsh], that's why most things in debian kernels are modules |
| 10:21.50 | tralala | sha, ;) |
| 10:22.29 | [RUsh] | liable, because I don't need them ) |
| 10:22.35 | tralala | [RUsh], if the options were unneeded they wouldn't be there, would they? |
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| 10:23.12 | [RUsh] | hmmm.. sorry, don't understand ;( |
| 10:23.47 | liable | [RUsh]: please, stop even trying to do what you are doing. the debian kernels are very well made |
| 10:23.56 | tralala | let me just give you the bottom line - don't compile |
| 10:24.07 | [RUsh] | hehe ok. |
| 10:24.10 | sha | they are surely unneeded if they doesn't fit in his setup |
| 10:24.14 | tralala | what you gain is far less than what you lose |
| 10:24.34 | [RUsh] | I understand you thanx |
| 10:24.51 | [RUsh] | So for example, I don't need sound support at all. |
| 10:25.00 | [RUsh] | How can I disable sound modules to be loaded? |
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| 10:25.15 | tralala | sha, the debian security support is surely needed and it only comes with these options enabled so... |
| 10:25.34 | tralala | [RUsh], /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 10:26.16 | sha | tralala: i agree that the debian kernels are well made, but its just mainstream, they don't fit in every environment |
| 10:26.41 | sha | perhaps if you need a kernel without module loading support at all |
| 10:26.46 | [RUsh] | tralala, thanx |
| 10:27.04 | tralala | sha, true. Also true that the non-mainstream environments are highly unlikely to come here asking for help |
| 10:27.09 | liable | sha: please dont start an argument about why people should make their own kernels. if they really need to, they will know why and how. |
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| 10:27.47 | [RUsh] | tralala, And where they should come? |
| 10:28.14 | [RUsh] | I don't think building kernel is something too hard |
| 10:28.23 | tralala | [RUsh], they should hire kernel devs to support their needs |
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| 10:28.35 | f1d0 | oh dear |
| 10:28.47 | f1d0 | tralala: please stop talking nonesense |
| 10:29.36 | tralala | [RUsh], but now you know better, don't you - after all you couldn't do it on your own |
| 10:29.42 | [RUsh] | I have problems because I have my root filesystems on LVM and I have to use initrd. In case of non-initrd kernel, I had no problem to build it |
| 10:29.52 | liable | [RUsh]: its not hard at all, but seeing as debian supplies perfectly good kernels, you will not get help here unless you have a very good reason, and if you do have a good reason, you should have people to support that reason |
| 10:30.12 | [RUsh] | heh ok ) |
| 10:30.15 | f1d0 | [RUsh]: there is a wiki about your topic. look it up and ignore people who tell you nonesense |
| 10:30.55 | [RUsh] | maybe you will give ma a link? |
| 10:31.27 | sha_ | tralala: i don't think that. i'm compiling "my own" kernels for years. and i really can't imagine how someone could do administrative tasks if he can't build a kernel image == gain is much |
| 10:31.43 | liable | f1d0: its great you support people compiling their own kernels, i havent used a debian for a while myself, but unless you are going to actually guide people through this process in #debian every time they ask, then please refrain from advocating it. |
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| 10:32.26 | f1d0 | liable: you have not the slightest clue what the freedom of open source is about |
| 10:32.56 | liable | f1d0: please spare us the lecture |
| 10:33.04 | f1d0 | liable: then spare us your nonesense |
| 10:33.10 | liable | f1d0: you have no idea what #debian support is |
| 10:33.11 | [RUsh] | So, where can I get help about building custom kernel in debian? |
| 10:33.37 | f1d0 | [RUsh]: take some time to google. |
| 10:33.52 | [RUsh] | ok thanx |
| 10:33.54 | tralala | sha_, maybe it's much for you. I doubt there is any for >90% of the home users. |
| 10:34.03 | [RUsh] | Thanx to all. Sorry, I have to go. |
| 10:34.17 | xand | !away |
| 10:34.17 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 10:34.22 | f1d0 | liable: the channel rules state nowhere that people are forced to use a debian kernel. and the rules state nowhere that wannabe helpers tell others how to use their system |
| 10:34.24 | gkiagia | hello guys. I did an update yesterday (on sid) and now I have REAL problems with xorg. First, my hotkey mappings are all messed up and I cannot switch to the greek layout with alt+shift |
| 10:34.25 | sha_ | tralala: ACK. but, I really don't think that #debian is 90% home users |
| 10:34.54 | sha_ | maybe i am wrong, but I think they are using ubuntu, suse or something like that |
| 10:34.57 | gkiagia | I could report a bug if I knew what the bug is.... |
| 10:35.11 | liable | f1d0: oh great, so you tell us to stop people from telling them to use debian kernels without reason for compiling, then you in your wisdom, point them to google. yeah, nice one. |
| 10:35.13 | gkiagia | but I don't know where to start from. |
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| 10:35.46 | f1d0 | liable: how about you focus on your skills? |
| 10:35.49 | tralala | I do think that 90% of the users asking for kernel compiling are home users. At least I hope they aren't sysadmins in any company I have business with. |
| 10:36.44 | gkiagia | the only package that I updated and could be somehow related, is hal |
| 10:36.52 | f1d0 | his first mistake was to listen to some people here. thats why its great help to point him to google. because the information he will find there does not bite. |
| 10:36.53 | sha_ | ok I'm new to this channel .. I used gentoo for some years and there isn't a prebuilt kernel image at all |
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| 10:37.51 | sha_ | gkiagia: at first i'd take a look at the bugtracker if there's already a similar bug |
| 10:37.53 | liable | yeah, google has only the truth... |
| 10:38.12 | tralala | sha_, it's good that you've made the right choice. Hopefully your gentoo habits will fade away with the time ;) |
| 10:38.17 | f1d0 | liable: no. but it delivers the information you ask for in contrast to the poison you get here. |
| 10:38.22 | liable | i am going to have to ignore you before i get banned for being abusive against an idiot |
| 10:38.38 | f1d0 | !ops |
| 10:38.38 | dpkg | somebody said ops was Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 10:38.54 | troubled | f1d0: ? |
| 10:39.03 | f1d0 | i am not here to be called an idiot |
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| 10:39.24 | troubled | f1d0: get some thicker skin helps on irc :) |
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| 10:39.49 | sha_ | tralala: i don't claim it as the right choice... surely not. but it IS a choice, when somebody is interested in, why should I say that it's not worth.. |
| 10:40.06 | stew | please lets just move on |
| 10:40.10 | f1d0 | sha: that is the point |
| 10:40.17 | sha_ | compiling kernels maybe bullshit to you, but everybody in here is something completelty different i think |
| 10:40.19 | f1d0 | its all about free choice |
| 10:40.27 | sha_ | is doing something* |
| 10:40.40 | stew | is there an actual on-topic question that needs answering? |
| 10:40.52 | tralala | stew, doesn't seem so |
| 10:41.01 | sha_ | stew: yeah, gkiagia needs help with xorg keymaps |
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| 10:41.31 | gkiagia | sha_: well, yes, it is already reported. I didn't check it. :/ |
| 10:41.48 | f1d0 | stew: that people crowd this channel who dont understand the point of using open source and people who dont understand what volunteer based support is about could be worth a discussion |
| 10:42.10 | gkiagia | I was in a panic so I joined the channel before checking the bugtracker |
| 10:42.19 | sha_ | gkiagia: ok is there a solution for you? |
| 10:42.28 | gkiagia | downgrade perhaps |
| 10:42.32 | sha_ | mh |
| 10:42.35 | tralala | sha_, usually at this point you get a testemony from somebody who's been using sid for years without any problems |
| 10:42.45 | stew | f1d0: plesae keep it on-topic. if you have a debian related support question, plesae ask it. if you don't like what someone has to say, use ignore |
| 10:43.00 | Maliuta | f1d0: and some people have done so much support and answered the same stupid questions that are answered in the documentation so many times that they couldn't give a crap anymore |
| 10:43.21 | f1d0 | stew: ignore wont fix the problem that this channel has a serious problem with a poisoned climate |
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| 10:43.43 | f1d0 | Maliuta: that is a social problem and none of the people asking for help are guilty for that |
| 10:44.10 | f1d0 | if you are tired of answering support questions then find another hobby |
| 10:44.23 | Maliuta | this isn't a hobby for some people |
| 10:44.30 | stew | f1d0: do you have a debian related question? |
| 10:44.35 | Maliuta | hobbyists are dangerous |
| 10:44.51 | f1d0 | stew: what i type here is very much debian related |
| 10:44.56 | stew | f1d0: if you think this channel is such that /ignore won't help, perhaps you should find another one. this discussion is off-topic |
| 10:45.23 | f1d0 | stew: who runs this channel, please? |
| 10:45.34 | sha_ | tralala: i don't get what you want to argue about |
| 10:45.34 | stew | f1d0: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 10:45.43 | f1d0 | "permission denied" |
| 10:45.56 | tralala | sha_, I just wanted to have the final word :) |
| 10:45.56 | stew | f1d0: type that into your irc client |
| 10:46.27 | tralala | makes me look like the winner of the argument |
| 10:46.53 | sha_ | tralala: ok if it makes you happy .. it's yours:) |
| 10:47.07 | f1d0 | stew: who runs this channel, please? |
| 10:47.19 | troubled | f1d0: your talking to one of them |
| 10:47.29 | p0g0__ | stew: I'd like to ask that you warn folks like liable that they'll be banned. I accept that you are trying hard to moderate a fementous crowd... |
| 10:47.30 | sep | f1d0, he told you |
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| 10:48.15 | f1d0 | he told me to use a command that i am not allowed to use |
| 10:48.44 | sep | your not registered on freenode ? |
| 10:48.49 | stew | f1d0: type "/msg chanserv access #debian list" into your irc client in order to get a list of channel operators |
| 10:49.03 | stew | one doesn't need to be registered in order to /msg chanserv |
| 10:49.19 | f1d0 | dude. this is getting wild now. |
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| 10:54.45 | fbonte | hi people |
| 10:54.49 | f1d0 | according to the Freenode Policy the person who runs this channels needs to have permission from the Debian Project to do so. and i asked multiple times who this person is but get no straight forward answer from the person who acts as the moderating person here |
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| 10:55.19 | troubled | f1d0: just let it go |
| 10:57.34 | troubled | !hehstats |
| 10:57.34 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 22170 |
| 10:58.14 | troubled | hmm, he must have had that patched serperately i guess :/ one more check inc. |
| 10:58.14 | fbonte | can i ask a question here? |
| 10:58.18 | troubled | !hehstats troubled |
| 10:58.18 | dpkg | troubled has not said heh yet. |
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| 10:58.26 | troubled | !ask |
| 10:58.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:58.57 | fbonte | i often log in into my debian server at home via putty (ssh connection) |
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| 10:59.23 | troubled | almost a question, please continue :) |
| 10:59.28 | fbonte | but i would like to know if i can |
| 10:59.41 | troubled | if you can what? |
| 10:59.42 | fbonte | start up a process (like apt-get upgrade) |
| 10:59.57 | fbonte | and sign off in putty without killing the process |
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| 11:00.23 | gkiagia | fbonte: you can use gnu screen for that |
| 11:00.28 | troubled | use screen or nohup |
| 11:00.56 | troubled | although nohup isnt designed for something that can stop to ask questions |
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| 11:01.39 | cydork | fbonte: screen is the best option since you can join that session again later.. |
| 11:02.12 | fbonte | so this would also work for lets say this irc session? |
| 11:02.17 | troubled | yup |
| 11:03.17 | troubled | fbonte: it takes a few minutes to get used to it, but its very powerful once you learn the hotkeys. |
| 11:03.59 | fbonte | I'll try to find the howto somewhere. |
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| 11:05.13 | troubled | eek! |
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| 11:08.34 | grub | hi i am getting this error while trying to install sun-java6-plugin or sun-java5-plugin http://rafb.net/p/ePRJnR54.html |
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| 11:09.58 | utopia | grub, dpkg -l | grep java |
| 11:10.09 | utopia | you already have it installed |
| 11:10.29 | grub | hmm, why do i get that error then? |
| 11:10.38 | grub | iF sun-java6-plugin 6-00-2 The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6 |
| 11:10.39 | troubled | did you erase gettext.pl? |
| 11:10.46 | grub | nope, its not in lenny |
| 11:10.58 | foutrelis | Hello. I have Etch and I want to install PHP 5.2.4 on it. I see that there is a package with PHP 5.2.4 available in Sid. Could I install that and how? |
| 11:11.20 | troubled | grub: ls /usr/lib/dpkg/dpkg-gettext.pl ? or did lenny take it out? |
| 11:11.23 | grub | ( searched via packages.debian.org ) dpkg-gettext.pl is in the dpkg package in etch |
| 11:11.32 | grub | troubled, nope, lenny doesn't have it |
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| 11:11.53 | stew | !find usr/lib/dpkg/dpkg-gettext.pl lenny |
| 11:11.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/lib/dpkg/dpkg-gettext.pl' returned no results. |
| 11:12.04 | troubled | hmmm |
| 11:12.14 | stew | foutrelis: /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:12.21 | foutrelis | thanks stew |
| 11:12.37 | grub | so is it a bug? |
| 11:12.41 | troubled | grub: apt-get -v ? |
| 11:13.07 | grub | apt 0.7.6 for i386 |
| 11:13.19 | Maliuta | foutrelis: or compile it yourself |
| 11:13.45 | foutrelis | Maliuta: I'm afraid to compile it myself :) |
| 11:13.59 | Maliuta | chicken :P |
| 11:14.06 | Maliuta | it's not that hard |
| 11:14.17 | Maliuta | although repackaging php is a PITA |
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| 11:15.34 | infernix | anyone happen to know where to find the WWN id for a qlogic HBA? i've been all over /proc and /sys to no avail |
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| 11:15.54 | mokrates | can anybody help me with eclipse 3.2.2 from lenny? |
| 11:16.06 | tarzeau | mokrates: what's the problem? |
| 11:16.13 | mokrates | the ant integration |
| 11:16.34 | mokrates | i can run ant from eclipse, but the ant-view isn't able to parse the build.xml |
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| 11:17.06 | mokrates | the workspace/.metadata/.log says something about a not found org/apache/ant/launcher/AntMain (or so) |
| 11:17.08 | grub_ | did i miss anything? |
| 11:17.29 | troubled | grub_: nope |
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| 11:17.58 | troytroy | hi has anybody installed plesk 8.2.0 sucessfully on etch |
| 11:18.08 | newtux | hello, is there a command on debian that would be the equivalent of chkconfig --list <service>? |
| 11:18.24 | stew | newtux: whta does chkconfig --list do? |
| 11:18.26 | troytroy | i need help bcos the autoinstaller is reporting errors |
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| 11:20.56 | newtux | list the status of a service (daemon) for the various runlevels |
| 11:21.48 | mokrates | tarzeau: have you any idea? |
| 11:22.03 | newtux | ie: off at runlevel 2, on at 3,5... |
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| 11:22.56 | tarzeau | mokrates: nope sorry |
| 11:23.00 | mokrates | thx |
| 11:23.43 | stew | newtux: "ls /etc/rc[0-6].d/*service*" or perhaps lookat sysv-rc-conf |
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| 11:24.25 | stew | newtux: or sysvconfig |
| 11:24.47 | newtux | stew: thanks |
| 11:26.18 | troytroy | hi has anybody installed plesk 8.2.0 sucessfully on etch |
| 11:26.20 | troytroy | i need help bcos the autoinstaller is reporting errors |
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| 11:29.30 | troytroy | useless channel |
| 11:29.55 | troytroy | i am gonna format and install fc6 |
| 11:30.02 | stew | troytroy: you'll find that its not the best place to come for support for commercial software |
| 11:30.11 | troytroy | at least that i am assured of community support |
| 11:30.46 | troytroy | plesk is half open half commercial |
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| 11:31.06 | stew | troytroy: debian is all about free software, and plesk is in no way free |
| 11:31.09 | troytroy | just like untangle |
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| 11:35.04 | fbonte | man pages for screen look promising |
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| 11:37.25 | redeeman | hello |
| 11:37.43 | redeeman | anyone that has installed etch on a soekris? |
| 11:38.16 | redeeman | what im wondering is, if i install etch to a compact flash card, and then put it into a net5501, will it work? |
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| 11:39.32 | wols | why shouldn't it? |
| 11:40.43 | redeeman | i do not know, this is why i was asking, i was hoping someone had some experience with a net5501 |
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| 11:42.21 | newtux | stew: thanks again for the pointers, sysv-rc-config is pretty much the same behavior as chkconfig, and the others give the needed info too |
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| 12:04.02 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just created a GRUB Boot CD. Unfortunately 'root (hd0,0)' dosn't work. What partition should I point GRUB to, in order to load a kernel from the CD ? |
| 12:04.48 | Hoxzer | depends on where your CD-drive is plugged |
| 12:05.12 | xand | in |
| 12:05.28 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 12:05.35 | Jemt | Hoxzer: Hm, that's not flexiable enough. I need to be able to boot the kernel from any computer, no matter how the drive is connected. Isn't that possible? |
| 12:05.54 | xand | grub doesn't support booting from cd |
| 12:05.57 | xand | iirc |
| 12:06.04 | Jemt | xand: Yes it does - Eltorito ;) |
| 12:06.20 | Jemt | xand: Other Live CDs must |
| 12:06.25 | Jemt | xand: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD_002dROM.html |
| 12:06.31 | Jemt | There, wrong past the first time |
| 12:06.33 | xand | live cds don't use grub |
| 12:06.35 | Jemt | paste* |
| 12:06.44 | Jemt | xand: Oh! That could explain it |
| 12:06.45 | xand | I'd ask #grub anyway |
| 12:06.55 | xand | isolinux is what they use |
| 12:07.08 | Jemt | xand: I did, but the channel looks pretty dead to me |
| 12:07.21 | Jemt | xand: ISOLinux you say? Aha, I'll look into that |
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| 12:08.28 | tt__ | Anyone here familiar with larswm? I really have no idea what to do when I've started it. I'm trying to start new terminals with ctrl-shift and enter but nothing happens. |
| 12:08.33 | sha_ | Jemt: this is possible. and there are a many livecds which use grub. |
| 12:08.49 | Jemt | sha_: Ok, that was what I thought too |
| 12:09.20 | Jemt | sha_: Could you help me get the kernel to boot from my GRUB Live CD ? As I explained, I'm not sure how to point GRUB to the right partition (the CD that is) |
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| 12:10.59 | sha_ | Jemt: sorry, I did such things 2-3 years ago .. but there were good howtos. i can take a look |
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| 12:11.52 | Jemt | sha_: That would be very appriciated. I can't seem to find anything on the subject |
| 12:12.29 | SamuraiDio | hi, i have a ralink wireless card that disconnect from the ap after some minutes, what may it been? |
| 12:12.31 | sha_ | Jemt: afair it's not needed to specify a root(what,ever) .. you choose "Boot from CD" in your BIOS, grub loads and searches the kernel in / |
| 12:12.56 | sha_ | Jemt: so i think it was just "root /blabla/kernel.img" |
| 12:13.02 | sha_ | Jemt: but wait a moment. |
| 12:13.03 | Jemt | Oh - so I don't even need to specify the kernel og initrd image ?? |
| 12:13.11 | Jemt | sha_: Okay :) |
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| 12:14.21 | sha_ | Jemt: there is a sample grub config which should work http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_build_a_LiveCD_from_scratch#Installing_and_configuring_the_CD_bootloader |
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| 12:15.01 | Jemt | sha_: Great! That's just awesome - thank you, I'll start reading right away :) |
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| 12:15.10 | orlandoj | hi, is there some software like mspaint for linux ? |
| 12:15.18 | xand | !gimp |
| 12:15.18 | dpkg | The GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. http://gimp.org/ GIMP has grown completely un-intutive to work with. The most simple task requires cumbersome manual reading. |
| 12:15.59 | NiLon | it could be hard to get atm :P |
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| 12:16.05 | sha_ | Jemt: np, however, if you have no luck with grub, just take a look at ISOLinux..it's much simpler.. |
| 12:16.07 | xand | why? |
| 12:16.17 | NiLon | 2.4 released, whole page is jammed |
| 12:16.21 | rmaj | is it possible to use screensaver on debian? with lcd, with 2 desktops (vt7 vt8) |
| 12:16.22 | cydork | orlandoj: there are many. |
| 12:16.40 | tralala | NiLon, we use the debian mirrors |
| 12:16.53 | svearike | Hi, I'm in desperate need of help ;) been mocking around with the new server all day long now, ready to give up.. The thing is it contains a 3ware 9690SA scsi/raid-card.. This is not identified with the standard 3w-9xxxx module from the latest stable debian dist. I downloaded the latest src and compiled it for the correct kernel version, that worked as a charm and the disk plopped up in the system. However, the program PARTED made the module panik, saying |
| 12:16.53 | svearike | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.02 | NiLon | tralala there's no 2.4 anyway |
| 12:17.15 | Jemt | oranging: Gimp is nothing like MSPaint - more like Photoshop - but it's pretty powerful. Unfortunately there is no good mspaint-like programs available to my knowledge. 'xpaint' is the closest you'll get, but that's useless if you ask me |
| 12:17.18 | tralala | there's no rush either |
| 12:17.37 | cubiq | How can I check the uptime of a network card? |
| 12:18.06 | svearike | Anyone has a solution to this problem? 3wares homepage says the driver is included in 2.6.23, so I've been searching for a dist with 2.6.23 kernel by default hoping that I could partition the disk using that disk and then later on install the system using the debian cd. Does this sound doable ? |
| 12:18.10 | wols | svearike: gparted having the same problem? also why do you need parted? |
| 12:18.19 | tralala | cubiq, for what purpose? |
| 12:18.25 | wols | !tell svearike about kmuto |
| 12:18.37 | Jemt | sha_: Yes, it look like it. At least I have two options now :) |
| 12:18.41 | svearike | Wols, I'm just running the netinst setup program that came with the cd, (console based) , and it hangs on parted |
| 12:18.50 | cubiq | tralala: I want to see how long ago I activated my wireless card :) |
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| 12:19.05 | tralala | cubiq, I'm affraid you can't |
| 12:19.06 | wols | cubiq: kernel log |
| 12:19.24 | svearike | wols, plus that was the only proram I could find on the debian cd.. I'm used to using fdisk / cfdisk (old slackware user) |
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| 12:19.26 | cubiq | wols: Ahh good thinking |
| 12:19.27 | sha_ | Jemt: hehe, yeah. it just depends.. if you need a great menu with splashimage etc .. grub is the choice |
| 12:19.35 | liable | shit dvdrip is slow to transcode |
| 12:19.38 | sha_ | ISOLinux just works;) |
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| 12:21.07 | svearike | I'm using the 220 mb iso called netinst. Anyone knows if the install procedure is different with, say for instance, the dvd? and perhaps it would work using that one ? |
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| 12:21.44 | tralala | svearike, the install procedure is the same |
| 12:22.04 | faber4 | svearike: whats wrong with netinst? |
| 12:22.12 | liable | svearike: the netinst will use the internet to install packages if available. otherwise, all it can install is the base system. the dvd will do also, but if there is no net, it can install a whole lot more |
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| 12:22.25 | wols | svearike: I told you what to use |
| 12:22.28 | runev__ | Anyone know why "compiz --replace" just freezes the screen, forcing me to kill the X server? Running nvidia drivers, which works as intended. Changed everything in xorg.conf according to the compiz wiki (aiglx is loaded, so is direct rendering). Still, it freezes everything. Trying to run it with Gnome. |
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| 12:22.57 | svearike | wols, I tried googling for kmuto, although I can't say I really understand what it is :\ |
| 12:23.03 | Jemt | sha_: Actually I don't - so ISOLinux could be the right choice :) |
| 12:23.12 | wols | why googling? dpkg just gave you the url |
| 12:23.25 | svearike | faber4, it uses parted per default, and my scsi driver gets a kernel panic when using parted, hence I cannot partition my disk |
| 12:23.44 | svearike | aah, didn't notice the privmsg |
| 12:24.07 | liable | runev__: its sad, but you are unlikely to get help here for compiz unfortunately. i suggest you try another channel or a mailing list. |
| 12:24.24 | techouse | i upgarded to lenny and installed the sid versions of xserver-xorg-core, nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source (and compiled it with m-a) and it works great! :) |
| 12:24.24 | svearike | but still I fear parted will screw everything up if there is no alternative to parted on the dvd ? |
| 12:24.44 | liable | theres a parted on the debian installer now? |
| 12:24.48 | faber4 | svearike: mmhhh |
| 12:24.58 | faber4 | svearike: do you already have a running linux on the maschine? |
| 12:25.29 | wols | liable: I think he just calls it parted |
| 12:25.41 | tralala | svearike, you can partition your disk upfront with a live cd and then just use debian to install |
| 12:25.49 | svearike | faber4, no it's a newly bought server, I'm doing the initial install now |
| 12:25.57 | liable | oh, so he means partman/cfdisk whatever it is now? |
| 12:26.39 | svearike | tralala, that's what Im trying to do (aswell) .. I tried slack12 but it had the old scsi-driver compiled into the kernel so I couldn't use the new module (nothing worked) .. and I couldn't find a live cd with 2.6.23 and NOT parted |
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| 12:27.14 | svearike | wols, the program binary is called 'parted' and dmesg says 'the program parted .....' so I just figured it was named parted |
| 12:27.48 | svearike | I could be mistaken .... but I'm pretty sure :) |
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| 12:28.17 | pif | anyone on unstable noticed their non-US X11 keymap not working ? |
| 12:28.19 | liable | real question: does the installer include parted nowadays? |
| 12:28.43 | liable | the last one i used was a beta etch and it didnt |
| 12:29.11 | techouse | i removed some repos from sources.list, now when i run apt-get update it naggs about not being able to get those repos...how do i reset my apt-get? |
| 12:29.55 | liable | run update again |
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| 12:30.44 | techouse | i did |
| 12:30.55 | liable | paste your sources then |
| 12:31.00 | techouse | ok |
| 12:31.04 | SlayerXP | grr, suffering brain failure here: what's the correct magic to "pin" a package to the currently installed version? |
| 12:31.06 | liable | and the apt output |
| 12:31.35 | liable | SlayerXP: hold if aptitude, /msg dpkg hold fr apt-get |
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| 12:31.54 | svearike | liable, ./pool/main/p/parted/parted-udeb_1.7.1-5.1_i386.udeb it's included in the iso anyways :) and considering my "problem" I'd say it's included in the installer nowadays |
| 12:32.29 | tralala | svearike, do you know how parted looks like? Is what you're using parted? |
| 12:33.22 | liable | svearike: yeah, i kept hearing and believing it, just never had confermation myself :) i hold you responsible now for me believing its in there! :) |
| 12:33.30 | svearike | tralala, the thing is I'm not even using it myself, the installer program is. although I did try it from command line |
| 12:33.32 | techouse | sources.list --> http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=4383 |
| 12:33.45 | techouse | apt-get update --> http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=4382 |
| 12:34.03 | SlayerXP | liable: thanks |
| 12:34.14 | liable | np |
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| 12:35.34 | liable | techouse: that repo is still there in your sources |
| 12:35.35 | techouse | liable: so...is my apt-get ok or not? |
| 12:35.41 | techouse | no |
| 12:35.52 | wols | techouse: not. your sid repos are wrong |
| 12:35.53 | techouse | i pasted you the sources.list |
| 12:35.55 | liable | line 11 |
| 12:35.57 | wols | and yes, the sid repo is still there |
| 12:36.03 | techouse | where? |
| 12:36.28 | techouse | oh |
| 12:36.29 | techouse | ok |
| 12:36.42 | liable | dists |
| 12:36.48 | techouse | i've just overwritten it with an old backup |
| 12:37.02 | techouse | thought they weren't there |
| 12:37.02 | liable | heh, i didnt even notice that, just looked for the host |
| 12:37.13 | ManuP | hi! i have a config file for dualview.xserver starts up and i get my login screen (on left screen). after loggin in, i cant use the right monitor. my pointer moves there, but i cant drag windows there. |
| 12:37.13 | techouse | tnx guys! |
| 12:37.15 | techouse | :) |
| 12:37.56 | amirf | ManuP: what brand in you card ? |
| 12:38.06 | sha_ | ManuP: but you can start apps on the second screen? DISPLAY=":0.1" xterm ? |
| 12:38.16 | techouse | what's the standard apt-get cache? |
| 12:38.21 | techouse | i mean size |
| 12:38.41 | ManuP | sha_, no, i cant |
| 12:38.50 | techouse | cause i had to increase mine to get all those repos :P |
| 12:38.50 | ManuP | amirf, ati with fglrx propri driver |
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| 12:39.37 | moritz | hi |
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| 12:40.16 | moritz | i have an issue compiling the proprietary iscan software from epson for my perfection V10 scanner |
| 12:40.20 | ManuP | amirf, sha_ my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/747864 |
| 12:40.27 | techouse | compiz-fusion is up and running! you guys were right! it was the old nvidia driver! |
| 12:40.54 | moritz | i got this error message doing an ./configure in the source file: configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. |
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| 12:41.26 | moritz | anyone knows, where to find gtk+ in lenny? |
| 12:41.27 | ManuP | xdpyinfo | grep screen tells number of screens: 1 amirf sha_ |
| 12:41.32 | BlackDesire | need some help |
| 12:41.46 | techouse | moritz: kde or gnome? |
| 12:41.53 | moritz | kde, sry |
| 12:42.00 | techouse | get kde-base |
| 12:42.23 | techouse | that's 90% of the things you need when compiling |
| 12:42.27 | BlackDesire | debian:/home/david# iwconfig wlan0 essid ESSNAME enc off; dhclient wlan0 |
| 12:42.28 | BlackDesire | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : |
| 12:42.28 | BlackDesire | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.51 | BlackDesire | ... |
| 12:43.04 | techouse | omg! compiz is sooooooo SEXY! aaaaa! i'm going nuts!!! |
| 12:43.06 | ManuP | BlackDesire, you set essid with iwconfig wlan0 essid "youressid" |
| 12:43.30 | xand | techouse: you'll soon get bored of it :P |
| 12:43.31 | ManuP | techouse, hmm... i rather like girls then software :P |
| 12:43.36 | moritz | techouse: that's part of the problem, can't find kde-base in my aptitude |
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| 12:43.54 | xored | how to use sendmail to "send a test mail" |
| 12:43.59 | beeftray | i'm looking for a picture viewer i can view animated gifs with |
| 12:44.00 | BlackDesire | ManuP and how i know my sid ? |
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| 12:44.40 | tralala | svearike, anyhow it might be the real parted or some debian installer thingie - not that it matters |
| 12:45.01 | ManuP | BlackDesire, you set the essid to the network you want to connect. if you run the router (wireless AP), you have to set essid on that device. |
| 12:45.12 | tralala | xored, echo test main | mail root |
| 12:45.18 | ManuP | btw, is essid <=> sid? |
| 12:45.56 | BlackDesire | ManuP yes maybe it is not right |
| 12:46.20 | BlackDesire | but my problem is i dont now how to activate my wlan |
| 12:46.43 | BlackDesire | i have a laptop nx6310 |
| 12:46.51 | stew | BlackDesire: what wireless card do you have? |
| 12:47.01 | ManuP | hehhe, fu** hp. i have a 6325.... |
| 12:47.41 | ManuP | BlackDesire, i have to active with ifup wlan0 and if iwlist wlan0 scan dont prompt results, i have to press the wlan-button. |
| 12:47.49 | moritz | ok, my fault... was kdebase instead of kde-base.... I already got this package, but the problem still exists |
| 12:48.04 | BlackDesire | stew, http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/product_pdfs/nx6310.pdf |
| 12:48.15 | BlackDesire | ManuP, i try now |
| 12:48.49 | stmaher | stupid question.. can you put a DLT drive on its side? |
| 12:49.24 | stew | BlackDesire: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 12:49.26 | tralala | JohnRandom, gtk+ has nothing to do with kde |
| 12:49.36 | stew | BlackDesire: err |
| 12:49.43 | stew | BlackDesire: maybe, maybe not |
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| 12:49.48 | stew | BlackDesire: what wireless card do you have? |
| 12:49.59 | tralala | JohnRandom, you need to install libgtk<something>-dev |
| 12:50.31 | JohnRandom | tralala: ok, gimme a sec |
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| 12:51.00 | tralala | JohnRandom, I'll be generous - take a minute |
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| 12:51.44 | JohnRandom | tralala. thx ^^, ok there were many <somethings>... |
| 12:51.53 | eix | I need to install zope 2.8.5 + plone 2.1.2, can somebody please explain me how to install them? |
| 12:52.07 | JohnRandom | any idea which I'm exactly looking for? |
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| 12:52.51 | BlackDesire | stew, in windows show as Intel Pro/Wireless 3945BG |
| 12:52.55 | tralala | JohnRandom, whatever non -dev you have installed |
| 12:52.58 | stew | BlackDesire: /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 12:52.59 | liable | BlackDesire: you first need to find out if your card is even recognised by the kernel before you try and configure it |
| 12:53.12 | stew | eix: is there a reason you need the versions which are so old? |
| 12:53.31 | liable | BlackDesire: if you have the ipw3945 drivers its prlly eth1 |
| 12:53.31 | JohnRandom | tralala: perhaps like: libgtk2.0-dev? |
| 12:53.35 | liable | not wlan0 |
| 12:53.45 | tralala | JohnRandom, sounds reasonable |
| 12:53.59 | stew | eix: zope 2.9.6, and plone 2.5.1 are current in debian |
| 12:54.09 | JohnRandom | k, thats plenty oO be back in 5 |
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| 12:54.38 | BlackDesire | liable, and how coud i now whici is ? |
| 12:54.57 | eix | stew: I need the older versions because I must first locally test the upgrade |
| 12:55.00 | liable | BlackDesire: you are running debian? |
| 12:55.06 | stew | eix: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 12:55.17 | JohnRandom | tralala: that's it, you're my hero :D |
| 12:55.23 | stew | BlackDesire: if you type "iwconfig" it will tell you which interfaces are wireless |
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| 12:55.30 | BlackDesire | liable, yes |
| 12:55.45 | tralala | JohnRandom, I accept paypal donations ;) |
| 12:56.01 | BlackDesire | stew iwconfig |
| 12:56.01 | BlackDesire | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 12:56.01 | BlackDesire | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 12:56.01 | BlackDesire | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
| 12:56.01 | liable | BlackDesire: have you installed the modules? what advice are you following? |
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| 12:56.28 | tralala | tsk, tsk, tsk... |
| 12:56.33 | liable | BlackDesire: have you installed the modules? what advice are you following? |
| 12:56.41 | eix | stew: thanks |
| 12:56.58 | BlackDesire | liable, http://senzaspazi.altervista.org/wiki/doku.php?id=nx6310-eng |
| 12:57.49 | BlackDesire | ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf |
| 12:57.50 | Hoxzer | +++++ |
| 12:58.02 | stew | BlackDesire: that is for a broadcom wireless, not your intel wireless |
| 12:58.04 | stew | !ipw3945 |
| 12:58.04 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 12:58.19 | liable | BlackDesire: ah, why are you using ndiswrapper? there are native drivers for it |
| 12:58.39 | liable | BlackDesire: see what dpkg just said |
| 12:58.41 | stew | liable: the pdf said that his laptop sometimes comes with a broadcom wireless |
| 12:58.55 | eix | seems like zope 2.8.5 is not on sdn :( |
| 12:59.10 | liable | stew: right, so we need to find out what it actually has |
| 12:59.26 | stew | liable: he said windows reports it as a 3945 |
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| 12:59.46 | liable | BlackDesire: can you pastebin your lspci output? |
| 12:59.47 | BlackDesire | liable, yes i do this now |
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| 13:00.05 | liable | BlackDesire: paste your lspci first to a pastebin site |
| 13:00.14 | waseem57 | hey what does Ctrl+Alt+Backspace does? |
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| 13:00.34 | stew | waseem57: its the key sequence that (by default) terminates the X server |
| 13:00.39 | JohnRandom | ok, ./configure works now, but make fails at some point :\ |
| 13:00.45 | BlackDesire | liable, can u give me a pastebin site ? |
| 13:00.53 | stew | BlackDesire: paste.debian.net |
| 13:00.59 | waseem57 | stew: how do i restart it again? |
| 13:01.07 | BlackDesire | stew, thanks |
| 13:01.18 | stew | waseem57: when your machine boots, do you get a graphical login? or a text based login? |
| 13:01.33 | stew | JohnRandom: what are you trying to compile? |
| 13:01.40 | eix | stew: any alternate source for older .debs ? |
| 13:01.40 | waseem57 | stew: graphical login. |
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| 13:02.05 | stew | waseem57: /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 13:02.06 | JohnRandom | "iscan" it's a proprietary scan-tool + driver for the Espon Perfection V10 scanner |
| 13:02.27 | waseem57 | stew: ok thanks. |
| 13:02.29 | stew | eix: that one goes back very far. are you sure the software you are looking for was actually in debian ever? |
| 13:03.10 | BlackDesire | http://paste.debian.net/40535 |
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| 13:03.18 | BlackDesire | i put there the output |
| 13:03.27 | eix | stew: sdn has zope 2.6 but not 2.8. I am not sure, maybe it's on Fedora. But Dapper had zope 2.8.5 |
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| 13:04.45 | liable | BlackDesire: ok, 'modprobe ipw3945' |
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| 13:05.14 | BlackDesire | Starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d. |
| 13:05.17 | JohnRandom | the output looks like this http://paste.debian.net/40536 |
| 13:05.17 | liable | hrm, i cant remember htf debian deals with the daemon anymore. i think it has its own init script |
| 13:05.40 | liable | BlackDesire: does eth1 show now in 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 13:06.16 | stew | eix: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/z/zope2.8/ |
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| 13:06.38 | BlackDesire | liable, i have now eth2 |
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| 13:06.58 | liable | BlackDesire: ok, thats good, try and configure that one |
| 13:07.09 | BlackDesire | liable, i try now |
| 13:07.19 | eix | stew: :o I only checked through the search interface, didnt know about the archive path. Thx |
| 13:07.47 | liable | BlackDesire: but use iwconfig ssid not essid |
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| 13:08.07 | eix | how can I install http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/z/zope2.8/binary-i386/ ? |
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| 13:08.14 | eix | there is a packages.gz there |
| 13:08.25 | tralala | JohnRandom, looks like you need libltdl3-dev |
| 13:08.49 | liable | i think my brain just farted |
| 13:08.52 | JohnRandom | tralala: from what do you read that? |
| 13:08.55 | stew | eix: if you search for zope2.8 it will give you a deb line for sources.list |
| 13:09.10 | JohnRandom | tralala: it's not, that I#m not believing you, just interested |
| 13:09.18 | tralala | liable, did you get blurred vision? |
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| 13:09.48 | tralala | JohnRandom, from line 28 |
| 13:09.53 | xored | hello guys. What is you first and best argument to convince someone not to use opensuse as server os, instead debian ( i have to convince my boss ) |
| 13:09.58 | JohnRandom | tralala: from this line: mgstream.hh:46:18: error: ltdl.h: No such file or directory? |
| 13:10.11 | tralala | yes |
| 13:10.12 | liable | tralala: no, i just hate it when i have conflicting information in how i do shit, and then check a man page and it wrong, even though how i do it is very familiar |
| 13:10.14 | eix | stew: i can only see Filename: 2005/08/13/debian/pool/main/z/zope2.8/zope2.8_2.8.0-2_i386.deb there |
| 13:10.15 | vlt | Hello. I opened an ISO-8859-1 encoded text as UTF8 with kate and saved it. (How) can I use iconv to restore the messed up chars? |
| 13:10.18 | JohnRandom | k |
| 13:10.21 | eix | stew: what is that path relative to? |
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| 13:10.52 | Arnolder | hello |
| 13:10.54 | stew | eix: search for zope2.8, it will give you a deb line to put into sources.list |
| 13:10.59 | Arnolder | how can I check via ssh how large a single folder is? |
| 13:11.03 | liable | tralala: leads me down the very familiar road to me believing i am going mad :) |
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| 13:11.17 | stew | Arnolder: ssh user@remotehost du -s /path/to/folder |
| 13:11.19 | tralala | liable, oh no, not again! |
| 13:11.35 | Arnolder | oh, sry |
| 13:11.38 | Arnolder | i mean shell |
| 13:11.46 | stew | Arnolder: du -s /path/to/folder |
| 13:11.49 | BlackDesire | hm |
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| 13:12.01 | eix | stew: sorry but I cant find it. here is the first block http://rafb.net/p/APhEX193.txt |
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| 13:12.33 | eix | I am possibly not able to recognize a deb line too :-\ |
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| 13:12.57 | techouse | xand: I doubt i'll get bored :) i'm used to windows vista's aero, but compiz is so much more :) |
| 13:13.03 | stew | eix: go to "http://snapshot.debian.net/" put "zope2.8" into the first text box that appears, and click on the button next to it |
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| 13:13.45 | liable | tralala: indeed, its just thats its actually not true, i just keep thinking it might be |
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| 13:14.33 | stew | eix: it will give you a line starting with "deb http://snapshot.debian.net...." put that into sources.list. run "aptitude update" then run "apt-cache policy zope2.8". it will list all of the available versions of zope2.8, then run "aptitude install zope2.8=$version" to install a particular version |
| 13:14.42 | cydork | liable: if you think you have it, you have it.. |
| 13:14.55 | eix | stew: thanks thanks |
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| 13:15.24 | liable | tralala: in this case, its his wireless command, and i have been using ssid as the switch, yet the man page doesnt even mention it. i have been using it for at least two years |
| 13:16.27 | JohnRandom | hehe, ok, make and make install working now, tho i had to get some other packages as well |
| 13:16.49 | JohnRandom | but now i got this error, starting iscan: "iscan: error while loading shared libraries: libesmod.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 13:17.13 | streuner | liable: "The Silence of the Lambs"? ;-) |
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| 13:17.23 | cydork | heh |
| 13:17.24 | liable | tralala: thus i get into a quandry as to whether my brain is fooling me, or once again, linux documentation sucks :) |
| 13:17.48 | liable | !win streuner |
| 13:17.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 13:18.21 | streuner | cydork: in the movie some "dude" said to the victum "make some lotion on your skin"... |
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| 13:18.36 | tralala | liable, just stop using undocumented switches, okay? ;) |
| 13:18.37 | Folkert | I am trying to install Debian from the netinst-CD, but when it is finished downloading the packages it the installer hangs (84 of 84 packages). What should I do? |
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| 13:19.01 | liable | tralala: nevar! |
| 13:19.06 | BlackDesire | liable :) |
| 13:19.11 | streuner | cydork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silence_of_the_Lambs_%28novel%29 |
| 13:19.17 | cydork | streuner: aah ok. :) |
| 13:19.23 | liable | BlackDesire: workie? |
| 13:19.26 | maxamillion | Folkert: if i remember correctly you can hit alt+f5 and see the output of what happened, we can figure something out from there |
| 13:19.32 | tralala | JohnRandom, find out which lib you need to install |
| 13:19.34 | BlackDesire | liable, nope :( |
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| 13:19.40 | BlackDesire | i dont now why |
| 13:19.46 | liable | heh |
| 13:19.59 | liable | BlackDesire: ok, does it show in iwconfig now? |
| 13:20.03 | JohnRandom | tralala: k, but it's obviously required for running, and not for compiling issues, yeah? |
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| 13:20.12 | streuner | cydork: very interesting movie, won some Oscars... |
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| 13:20.21 | tralala | !find libesmod.so.1 |
| 13:20.22 | abrotman | cydork: you've never seen it? |
| 13:20.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libesmod.so.1' returned no results. |
| 13:20.31 | Folkert | maxamillion, I will try that and come back later, when I have some error message |
| 13:20.36 | streuner | cydork: thats a "must" |
| 13:20.40 | tralala | !find libesmod.so |
| 13:20.40 | cydork | streuner: nope.. but plot seems interesting.. |
| 13:20.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libesmod.so' returned no results. |
| 13:21.07 | cydork | JohnRandom: where did you get that binary? |
| 13:21.13 | tralala | JohnRandom, aren't there any installation instructions? |
| 13:21.23 | tralala | cydork, he just compiled it |
| 13:21.24 | BlackDesire | liable, http://paste.debian.net/40537 |
| 13:21.26 | JohnRandom | cydork: from epson homepage |
| 13:21.40 | JohnRandom | tralala: there was mentioned to install the sane-pkg first |
| 13:21.56 | JohnRandom | i did, tho. but perhaps need to get other sane...-pkgs as well |
| 13:22.00 | liable | BlackDesire: thats good, now run 'dhclient eth2' |
| 13:22.35 | liable | BlackDesire: does it get an ip? |
| 13:22.36 | tralala | JohnRandom, maybe the lib is in the build dir |
| 13:23.12 | BlackDesire | liabe i think i set manual ip |
| 13:23.13 | cydork | JohnRandom: add the path to libesmod to LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable. |
| 13:23.18 | tralala | or in /usr/local/lib |
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| 13:23.57 | liable | BlackDesire: ok, paste your 'ifconfig' and 'route' output |
| 13:23.58 | JohnRandom | tralala: if it's in /usr/local/lib it should be found, tho |
| 13:24.18 | liable | BlackDesire: does the ap do dhcp? |
| 13:25.16 | tralala | JohnRandom, is it or is it not? |
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| 13:26.57 | JohnRandom | tralala: actualy i found it there, in /usr/local/lib, as well as in the build-directory oO |
| 13:27.24 | JohnRandom | tralala: well, I found it as libesmod.so, not *.so.1 tho |
| 13:27.47 | JohnRandom | shall i just rename it? |
| 13:27.56 | psycodad_ | hi, i am looking for a lean standalone ircd that is easy to configure, any recommendations for etch ? |
| 13:28.01 | techouse | how do i set compiz --replace and emerald --replace to autoload? |
| 13:28.07 | tralala | first try the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and if it's still not working add a symlink |
| 13:28.19 | abrotman | shouldn't he just be using /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 13:28.47 | liable | techouse: gnome has options, or you can add it to autoload in kde dir in /home |
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| 13:29.19 | techouse | in kde i should do what? |
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| 13:29.24 | JohnRandom | tralala: like "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib" ? |
| 13:29.29 | tralala | I'm getting convinced that he shouldn't be using epson (based on the user experience of their software) |
| 13:29.36 | tralala | yes |
| 13:29.42 | liable | techouse: in your ~/.kde dir, there should be an autoload dir iirc |
| 13:30.01 | techouse | aha... |
| 13:30.11 | techouse | some specific script i presume |
| 13:30.12 | JohnRandom | as i read in different threads, epson isn't a problem at all... maybe i'm trying the wrong approach |
| 13:30.16 | liable | techouse: you will need to make it a script |
| 13:30.25 | techouse | i'll google it :) |
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| 13:30.45 | liable | techouse: #! bin/bash; <your compiz commands> |
| 13:31.05 | Folkert | maxamillion: that ctrl+F5 doesn work |
| 13:31.10 | techouse | oh |
| 13:31.13 | JohnRandom | tralala: the path thing works, but now iscan is telling me, it isn't able to find that damn scanner :D oh how i hate it |
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| 13:31.38 | JohnRandom | it's connected via USB, tho... anything to keep in mind there? |
| 13:31.40 | maxamillion | Folkert: i said alt+f5 |
| 13:31.49 | Folkert | I tried that too |
| 13:31.55 | techouse | such a file? ~/.kde/Autostart/compiz.desktop |
| 13:31.55 | techouse | ? |
| 13:32.59 | Pimpelhuber | can anyone tell me, where debian installs mozilla to? /usr/lib/mozilla is not correct |
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| 13:33.07 | asabil | hi all |
| 13:33.12 | abrotman | it's f3 IIRC |
| 13:33.19 | asabil | I have some questions concerning python-apt |
| 13:33.21 | abrotman | Pimpelhuber: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 13:33.32 | asabil | I would like to do an apt-get update using python |
| 13:33.34 | asabil | any docs ? |
| 13:33.38 | Pimpelhuber | i try to install the latest flash player |
| 13:33.46 | cydork | asabil: there is python-apt |
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| 13:34.04 | abrotman | Pimpelhuber: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ .. or whatever browser it might be like iceweasel or iceape or whatever |
| 13:34.16 | asabil | cydork: yes I know, but it is really undocumented |
| 13:34.33 | stew | Pimpelhuber: /usr/lib/iceape |
| 13:34.49 | abrotman | stew: don't they all check /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ? |
| 13:34.49 | liable | techouse: i dont think the name matters, as long as its an executable script |
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| 13:35.12 | stew | abrotman: i dunno. probably |
| 13:35.19 | cr3 | is there a way to combine a few packages into one? |
| 13:35.22 | abrotman | at least the gecko based ones |
| 13:35.28 | stew | cr3: why do you want to? |
| 13:35.35 | abrotman | or icelizard .. whatever it's called |
| 13:35.44 | cydork | asabil: it has some examples though.. found anything in that? |
| 13:35.48 | cr3 | stew: make things simpler, I understand that some of the implications are aweful :( |
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| 13:36.02 | Pimpelhuber | Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey, |
| 13:36.04 | Pimpelhuber | or Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ |
| 13:36.04 | Pimpelhuber | dir= /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ |
| 13:36.04 | Pimpelhuber | WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. |
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| 13:36.23 | stew | cr3: what are you having to do now that you would like to simplify. perhaps there is some easier way than combining packages |
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| 13:36.25 | asabil | cydork: none doing the update and working correctly |
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| 13:37.16 | Pimpelhuber | ok sorry |
| 13:37.29 | stew | Pimpelhuber: what are you trying to do? install something? what? |
| 13:37.37 | abrotman | flash from adobe.com |
| 13:37.41 | Pimpelhuber | i try to install the latest flash player |
| 13:37.47 | cr3 | stew: good question. the problem is that I have several packages which only need to be installed once, there is never really a use case for updating them. so, when I had one package, I just had a link on my website which would immediately call the installer. now, I need to provide several links which affects usability |
| 13:37.59 | Pimpelhuber | yes, from adobe, the latest version |
| 13:38.15 | Pimpelhuber | because firefox always moans and doesnt open movies |
| 13:38.36 | stew | Pimpelhuber: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:38.44 | stew | Pimpelhuber: debian provides a flash installer that is apt-gettable |
| 13:38.44 | abrotman | Pimpelhuber: i normally grab the tar.gz from adobe.com .. extract it and manually place the libflashplugin.so(or hwatever it is) where i want it .. like /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ or /usr/lib/opera/plugins/ |
| 13:38.52 | cr3 | stew: having to ask the user to add my repository to their sources.list file also affects usability, it's not necessary and makes the steps much longer |
| 13:38.52 | abrotman | stew: not anymore |
| 13:38.59 | stew | abrotman: since when? |
| 13:38.59 | abrotman | stew: the one in etch is busted |
| 13:39.17 | stew | abrotman: there is a newer one on backports |
| 13:39.28 | abrotman | there is that .. but the one in etch is still broken :) |
| 13:40.00 | abrotman | maybe by lenny's release .. gnash will be a viable alternative |
| 13:40.24 | stew | cr3: what do these packages do / provide? who made them? you? |
| 13:41.08 | stew | abrotman: one of the nice benefits of gnash is that it is easy to kill from the command line. which i find myself needing to do every few minutes it seems |
| 13:41.12 | cr3 | stew: these packages provide scripts to test your machine, this is typically only done once after install, I made them |
| 13:41.23 | Pimpelhuber | thx a lot, it worked this way |
| 13:41.28 | Folkert | I try to install Debian from the netinst-CD, but after downloading the packages the installer hangs at 18%. What should I do? |
| 13:41.29 | abrotman | stew: hehe .. so it's totally not ready for primetime then .. |
| 13:41.41 | cydork | asabil: check pydoc /usr/share/pycentral/python-apt/site-packages/apt/cache.py |
| 13:41.41 | stew | abrotman: not yet |
| 13:41.53 | abrotman | stew: is your house painted red yet? |
| 13:41.56 | rmaj | is it possible to use screensaver on debian? with lcd, with 2 desktops (vt7 vt8) |
| 13:42.11 | freetos | i see http://www.debian.org/mirror/list but i don't know how to translate that it sources.list file, is there instructions somewhere? |
| 13:42.17 | stew | cr3: i don't see any reason you couldn't combine them. |
| 13:42.22 | abrotman | !tell freetos about sources.list |
| 13:42.24 | rmaj | so far the main screensaver's deamon crashes itself (I think it happens if using second display) |
| 13:42.30 | stew | cr3: are these scripts something that might be suitable for inclusion in debian? |
| 13:43.03 | liable | Folkert: when it does that, the best advice i can think of, is to install without the net plugged in, then after the boot, install whatever you need (will prolly involve manually bringing your iface up) |
| 13:43.07 | asabil | cydork: doesn't work |
| 13:43.18 | asabil | I get a really weird exception |
| 13:43.19 | freetos | also, i didn't see security updates or non-free anywhere |
| 13:43.25 | cr3 | stew: sure, but at a later time. so, I have a base package which could eventually be suitable for inclusion in debian, but I have other packages which extend the functionality for my specific purposes which might not be suitable for inclusion. |
| 13:43.30 | asabil | when running the update() |
| 13:43.35 | abrotman | freetos: security updates are from security.debian.org |
| 13:43.58 | Folkert | liable: will sudo apt-get install kde be enough then to install the GUI? |
| 13:44.00 | stew | afaik non-free is not supported by the security team |
| 13:44.08 | abrotman | Folkert: and xorg |
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| 13:44.15 | cr3 | stew: when I say "for my specific purposes", that could apply to anyone wanting to extend the suite of tests, of course |
| 13:44.24 | Folkert | abrotman: that's enough? |
| 13:44.33 | abrotman | Folkert: and kdm if you want a GUI login manager |
| 13:44.45 | stew | kde includes kdm, no? |
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| 13:44.57 | Folkert | abrotman: that's all? |
| 13:45.02 | abrotman | i'm never sure .. but i'd specify to make sure |
| 13:45.04 | stew | Folkert: also xorg |
| 13:45.05 | abrotman | Folkert: yes |
| 13:45.10 | abrotman | i already said xorg! |
| 13:45.15 | stew | he didn't |
| 13:45.17 | Folkert | ok, tnx |
| 13:45.45 | liable | Folkert: if you have installed base without net, you will need to bring you network interface up by hand, and quite likely have to edit sources.list as well, but yeah, if you can get that working, apt-getting anything will work. (you will need xorg as well) |
| 13:45.50 | cydork | asabil: hmm then its better that you check the bts. or mail them i guess. |
| 13:46.04 | asabil | ok thanks :) |
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| 13:46.13 | Folkert | liable: how can I manually set-up internet connection? |
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| 13:47.04 | liable | Folkert: most likely 'ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0' that should be all you need to do to initially get on the net |
| 13:47.40 | liable | Folkert: if the nets not connected during install, you will need to edit your sources.list as well, to add a repo |
| 13:47.49 | Kage` | #debian just lost the game. |
| 13:47.55 | liable | Folkert: this will all have to be done from cli |
| 13:48.05 | Folkert | liable: is it also possible to download just the first install DVD and then install the base system from that? |
| 13:48.17 | liable | Kage`: damn! which game were we playing? |
| 13:48.24 | Kage` | The Game |
| 13:48.25 | Kage` | http://www.losethegame.com/ |
| 13:48.29 | liable | Folkert: just the first iso would do |
| 13:48.31 | Kage` | And you've just lost it. |
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| 13:48.46 | liable | troll |
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| 13:48.48 | Kage` | :D |
| 13:48.49 | Folkert | liable: then I will try that first, it seems much easier |
| 13:49.17 | liable | Folkert: yep, if you arent so familiar, cd1 would be much easier to use |
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| 13:50.49 | liable | stew: not banning spammers? |
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| 13:52.07 | techouse | http://xs120.xs.to/xs120/07433/Debian1.png <-- my debian now :) |
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| 13:54.16 | tralala | JohnRandom, I'm sorry, I'm out of ideas |
| 13:54.33 | rbanffy | Hi folks. I had to rebuild my Debian box after a very nasty crash. I had a "mail" program that could be run my Munin as "mail -s subject recipient", but I can't find the package where it lived. |
| 13:54.42 | tralala | on wait I have one last idea that might help in the long term - don't buy from epson again |
| 13:55.10 | tralala | rbanffy, mailx |
| 13:55.19 | liable | who the hell can you buy decent printers from these days? |
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| 13:55.45 | tralala | liable, the junk in question is a scanner |
| 13:55.46 | abrotman | liable: ebay .. dot matrix :) |
| 13:55.48 | Pimpelhuber | bye |
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| 13:55.51 | wols | especially with built in scanners... none of those are any good |
| 13:56.29 | liable | can i use that as an abjective? |
| 13:56.32 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:56.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 13:56.49 | rbanffy | tralala: thanks! |
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| 13:57.09 | liable | tralala: bet its attached to a printer! |
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| 14:03.00 | MolePrince | Is there any way to revert my system from testing to stable without reinstalling completely please? |
| 14:03.14 | liable | not really |
| 14:03.42 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 14:03.43 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 14:04.46 | alex_ | when im doing : /etc/init.d/networking restart after making some changes to my network devices in /etc/network/interfaces .. these changes arnt been put into effect |
| 14:04.50 | alex_ | anyway to force the changes? |
| 14:04.58 | liable | if you have testing at this stage of the game, its likely to be almost impossible |
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| 14:06.03 | liable | alex_: try taking the ifaces all down with ifconfig and starting |
| 14:06.04 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 14:06.17 | alex_ | its a virtual iface |
| 14:06.18 | alex_ | eth3:3 |
| 14:06.25 | alex_ | eth3 needs to stay alive |
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| 14:06.35 | reiser2 | if i follow this eteps can i creat a mail server? |
| 14:06.36 | liable | ifconfig eth0:3 down |
| 14:06.39 | reiser2 | http://documents.made-it.com/Debian_Mail_Server/Debian_Mail_server.html |
| 14:06.43 | reiser2 | or i need more? |
| 14:06.49 | liable | eth3:3 down |
| 14:06.54 | alex_ | liable, thanks |
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| 14:08.16 | liable | reiser2: you can have a mailserver just by installing one, a well configured and sane one takesa bit more effort :) |
| 14:08.35 | reiser2 | ok |
| 14:08.40 | liable | reiser2: and no, i havent read the link, and have no intention to :) |
| 14:09.01 | reiser2 | but i need to know all i need to install, please |
| 14:09.31 | wols | reiser2: this howto is 5 years old... |
| 14:09.37 | liable | reiser2: the installing part is easy, in fact debian will have installed one by default |
| 14:09.38 | abrotman | yay woody! |
| 14:09.39 | reiser2 | hummm, ok |
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| 14:09.52 | reiser2 | what is the name? |
| 14:09.59 | wols | of what? |
| 14:10.05 | reiser2 | i don't install mail server when installed debian |
| 14:10.13 | wols | you installed an MTA |
| 14:10.39 | wols | if not, your debian is broken. exim4 is always installed by default |
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| 14:11.17 | reiser2 | how can i know that? |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | telnet localhost 25 |
| 14:11.37 | huhmz | Hi does anybody know an app that can send sound on a linux box to a windows box? sortof like synergy but for sound? |
| 14:12.03 | abrotman | just regular sounds .. or music? |
| 14:12.09 | reiser2 | 220 localhost ESMTP Exim 4.63 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:13:29 -0400 |
| 14:12.11 | reiser2 | ok |
| 14:12.11 | huhmz | music, anything |
| 14:12.23 | abrotman | esd maybe .. mpd/icecast can do music i think |
| 14:12.41 | huhmz | well i though more on a system level than on application level |
| 14:12.43 | reiser2 | abrotman |
| 14:12.55 | reiser2 | then ? what i need ? |
| 14:13.12 | wols | reiser2: nothing |
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| 14:13.36 | reiser2 | ?? |
| 14:13.46 | liable | reiser2: its there, you need to make it work like you want |
| 14:14.00 | wols | which is the hard part |
| 14:14.07 | reiser2 | heheheh |
| 14:14.20 | reiser2 | any site with help about exim ? |
| 14:14.20 | liable | isanely, considering how we take email for granted |
| 14:14.26 | g00se | <img src="http://www.byrnegaunt.co.uk/images/gallery75.jpg" align="left" hspace="6" alt="Image" /> |
| 14:14.29 | liable | insanely* |
| 14:14.35 | g00se | SOrry folks! |
| 14:14.45 | wols | exim.org is awesome. or so I heard |
| 14:14.46 | g00se | Any way to do something to my partitions such that Windoze can't be installed over top of Linux? |
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| 14:14.58 | wols | g00se: no |
| 14:15.14 | liable | g00se: yep, dont put the windows installer in the cd drive |
| 14:15.15 | techouse | liable: so i just do this: #! /bin/sh compiz --replace ccp & |
| 14:15.15 | techouse | emerald --replace ccp & |
| 14:15.17 | techouse | ? |
| 14:15.31 | Folkert | maxamillion: you were right, I pressed alt+F5 this time, and I get the following on the screen (the last lines): |
| 14:15.41 | liable | techouse: if that works in the shell, yeah |
| 14:15.42 | g00se | Someone else will be doing it - not me ;-) |
| 14:16.11 | liable | g00se: if they have physical access, they can do whatever they like |
| 14:16.25 | Folkert | maxamillion: "Oct 24 16:12:03 in-target: Get:78 http://ftp.surfnet.nl etch/main whois 4.7.20 [47.7kB] |
| 14:16.44 | liable | Folkert: ? |
| 14:16.54 | g00se | liable: yes - maybe bios password is as good as it gets - but they have physical - i don't |
| 14:17.31 | liable | g00se: what exactly are you trying to prevent? |
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| 14:17.45 | Folkert | liable: right, DVD1 doesn't work either |
| 14:17.59 | g00se | Their installing Win over my Debian |
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| 14:18.18 | liable | g00se: if it involves your box, and another clueless user with access and a windows cd in hand, your screwed :) |
| 14:18.24 | _daniel_ | why do I get this error when I try to start X - (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to allocate rankine object |
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| 14:18.27 | abrotman | liable: you're |
| 14:18.29 | _daniel_ | how do I fix that |
| 14:18.44 | g00se | liable: spose so;-) |
| 14:18.50 | liable | abrotman: when will you give in? |
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| 14:19.04 | abrotman | liable: homonyms are hard! |
| 14:19.35 | liable | oh dear, i have already had a lecture on hominems tonight, please spare me another |
| 14:19.48 | wols | _daniel_: what debian version and what nvidia driver version? |
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| 14:20.09 | liable | !be a hominem barbie |
| 14:20.09 | dpkg | Aww, hominem is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 14:20.10 | p0g0__ | hominophobic? |
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| 14:20.45 | Atalanta | does anyone know if debian is comparable to freebsd when it comes to professional business use? |
| 14:21.01 | liable | quite hilarious i couldn't even spell that right |
| 14:21.05 | Folkert | join #suse |
| 14:21.09 | wols | Atalanta: can't you stop taking meaningless polls already? |
| 14:21.15 | Atalanta | lol stfu |
| 14:21.19 | abrotman | Atalanta: don't do that .. |
| 14:21.23 | wols | watch your language please |
| 14:21.31 | liable | i added the apostrophe in that last comment to make up for it though |
| 14:21.39 | wols | !praise liable |
| 14:21.41 | alex_ | how do i reconfigure my locales agian? |
| 14:21.48 | _daniel_ | !praise wols |
| 14:21.53 | alex_ | dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 14:21.54 | alex_ | ? |
| 14:22.12 | abrotman | locales |
| 14:22.15 | wols | alex_: locales, not locale |
| 14:22.33 | wols | _daniel_: stop the ass kissing, answer the question instead |
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| 14:22.49 | gribouille | hi |
| 14:22.57 | gribouille | how can I know which package a specific file belongs to ? |
| 14:23.05 | wols | !tell gribouille about search |
| 14:23.07 | rocketma1net | hi, what's a good open source video edition tool ? (windows&linux) |
| 14:23.13 | abrotman | editing? |
| 14:23.19 | liable | edition toll? |
| 14:23.26 | gribouille | ok, thanks |
| 14:23.53 | liable | i have a very bad habit lately of doublepressing the wrong key |
| 14:23.59 | svearike | liable, I got it working now, thanks :) |
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| 14:24.11 | cydork | rocketma1net: for basic usage kino is great. for more advanced stuff check out cinnelerra.. |
| 14:24.20 | abrotman | and i'm not sure either work on windows |
| 14:24.33 | liable | svearike: sweet. |
| 14:24.35 | wols | well, wasn't kde supposed to run on windows now? |
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| 14:24.42 | abrotman | crap on crap .. lovely |
| 14:24.53 | cydork | wols: k or kino is not for kde actually :P |
| 14:25.08 | abrotman | !depends kino etch |
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| 14:25.14 | dpkg | kino: depends on liba52-0.7.4, libasound2 (>> 1.0.12), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libavc1394-0 (>= 0.5.3), libavcodec0d (>= 0.cvs20060823), libavformat0d (>= 0.cvs20060823), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdc1394-13, libdv4, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgsm1 (>= 1.0.10), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libiec61883-0 (>= 1.1.0), libogg0 (>= 1.1.3), ... |
| 14:25.33 | maxamillion | wols: yes, they claim kde4 will run on windows, mac os x, and *n?x platforms |
| 14:25.34 | wols | k-app and depending on gtk. lovely |
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| 14:27.45 | liable | svearike: what did you have to do anyway? cant see you having that many options in the installer |
| 14:28.10 | fyrestrtr | can someone point me to documentation regarding 'tasksel' and how to create your own set of profiles/roles for the menu? |
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| 14:29.02 | liable | fyrestrtr: have you looked at the actuall file? is it a binary or script? |
| 14:29.20 | fyrestrtr | I have not :( |
| 14:29.34 | liable | its a perl script |
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| 14:29.44 | fyrestrtr | but this is something new (haven't seen it before in debian) so I am just asking around about it. |
| 14:29.48 | liable | take a look and confoosel yourself :) |
| 14:30.00 | fyrestrtr | I really don't do perl well :( |
| 14:30.11 | liable | no sane person does :) |
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| 14:31.53 | gribouille | does debian use .bash_profile ? |
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| 14:33.24 | liable | interesting license in that script btw. what does licensed under gplv2 or higher mean in a legal sense? |
| 14:34.16 | liable | bit like the recent dual licensed bsd code argument |
| 14:34.40 | ben_goodger | basically, any GPL except 1.x |
| 14:35.04 | cydork | liable: actually that licence is pretty common.. |
| 14:35.37 | ben_goodger | it doesn't make much sense, but it's the default for GPL license notices as far as I can tell |
| 14:35.52 | liable | cydork: have you followed the ath5k licensing debacle? |
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| 14:36.13 | cydork | liable: yes.. it was quite interesting |
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| 14:36.55 | DeFirence | ok |
| 14:36.56 | liable | cydork: so in that line of thinking, that license in tasksel could take an interesting course if people so wished so |
| 14:37.21 | ganes1 | ho to check whether driver for graphics card is installed or not? |
| 14:37.32 | DeFirence | how can i add to a cron job to make it auto restart the daemon if it ends? |
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| 14:38.00 | techouse | ok! compiz&emerald aoutoloading now |
| 14:38.12 | wols | ganes1: what card do you have? |
| 14:38.21 | svearike | liable, Hi again, I just realised. The processor on my server is intel xeon quad (64bit) . is there a 64bit version of kmuto ? |
| 14:38.36 | ganes1 | wols:ati radeon x200 |
| 14:38.52 | cydork | liable: i really don't think so.. |
| 14:38.55 | wols | ganes1: driver for that comes with X |
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| 14:39.02 | liable | svearike: no idea. |
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| 14:39.19 | liable | cydork: meh, ok. |
| 14:39.24 | wols | svearike: you you looked on the site it would be evident. of course there is a 64bit installer |
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| 14:39.49 | svearike | wols, I'm afraid it wasn't all that clear to me :) I just saw i386 and AMD64 |
| 14:39.58 | wols | yes, am64 |
| 14:40.01 | wols | *amd64 |
| 14:40.02 | svearike | wols, AMD64 really sounds amd-specific ? |
| 14:40.12 | wols | and i386 intel specific? |
| 14:40.24 | DeFirence | ...? |
| 14:40.47 | ganes1 | wols:how to install driver? |
| 14:40.55 | svearike | wols, well, I just guessed i386 was i386 compatible and amd64 was amd64-specific |
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| 14:40.58 | wols | !tell ganes1 about drxx |
| 14:40.59 | cydork | svearike: amd64 is x86_64.. debian desided to honor the inventors. |
| 14:41.06 | wols | ganes1: use the "radeon" or "ati" driver |
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| 14:41.25 | svearike | cydork, I see... back to the drawing board then I guess :) |
| 14:41.28 | liable | svearike: agreed, it is confusing for those not in the know |
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| 14:42.22 | whatzup | when i bootup etch, it says configuring lvm etc.. no logical volumes found, how can i stop this, i think i deleted a logical volume during the install, i was trying to wipe everything |
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| 14:42.38 | svearike | liable, I'm a bit newbie when it comes to the 64bit arch aswell :) if I reinstall using the AMD64-installer, download a new kernel and configure it as Xeon and just "press" 'make' , will I get a 64bit kernel and everything will work just fine ? |
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| 14:43.09 | wols | yes it will create a 64bit kernel |
| 14:43.22 | gcbirzan | How can I tell aptitude not to remove the automatically installed packages when removing a package? |
| 14:43.24 | svearike | wols, sweet :) |
| 14:43.41 | svearike | wols, and in the case of 32bit libs ? will it be a 32bit kernel ? |
| 14:43.58 | wols | what 32bit libs? |
| 14:44.06 | wols | what have libs to do with a kernel? |
| 14:44.13 | wols | (except libc6) |
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| 14:44.45 | keith4 | is there a packaged gtk-based vnc viewer? |
| 14:44.59 | svearike | wols, thats the lib I'm talking about actually, the c library |
| 14:45.16 | wols | svearike: what about it? |
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| 14:45.46 | cydork | !tell keith4 -about search |
| 14:45.50 | svearike | wols, well if I'm doing it like I'm doing it now, compiling for a Xeon on a i386 installer cd (all libs are 32bit) will that result in a 32bit or 64bit kernel ? |
| 14:46.05 | keith4 | cydork: wow, thanks! i didn't know how to search! |
| 14:46.06 | keith4 | idiot |
| 14:46.07 | wols | 32bit of course |
| 14:46.37 | cydork | keith4: well then try to remember it next time. |
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| 14:46.44 | wols | keith4: have fun answering your questions yourself int he future and insulting others. go away |
| 14:46.59 | keith4 | cydork: searching for vnc returns 33 packages. how is that helpful? |
| 14:47.08 | keith4 | there are about 20 different vnc viewers |
| 14:47.16 | svearike | wols, I see, I see. just as I thought then. |
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| 14:47.26 | ganes1 | wols:if i type "xserver -xorg"it says xservevr command not found |
| 14:47.35 | keith4 | so i guess my question is "does anyone recommend a vnc viewer, other than xvncviewer?" |
| 14:47.38 | wols | ganes1: why are you doing this? |
| 14:47.40 | svearike | what do you guys think? 32bit faster or slower than 64bit ? generally speaking |
| 14:47.41 | dimsuz | when I try to write some external storage which was mounted with hal I get "No write access". How to change my user to have that access? |
| 14:47.48 | cydork | keith4: use the small squishy thing you have between your ears.. |
| 14:48.07 | keith4 | i'd rather not try each one, one at a time, until i find a decent one |
| 14:48.15 | wols | svearike: depends on the workload and memory available, etc |
| 14:48.19 | keith4 | was hoping to draw on the wisdom of someone else's experience |
| 14:48.47 | wols | !wayttd ganes1 |
| 14:48.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ganes1? |
| 14:48.53 | ganes1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:49.01 | wols | !tell ganes1 about drxx |
| 14:49.06 | wols | that's how you do that |
| 14:49.11 | liable | keith4: problem is, do you think all the devs for em made just for the fun, or maybe because each one may do a particular job in certain circumstances? |
| 14:49.46 | liable | sometimes debian/oss sucks because there are too many choices |
| 14:49.48 | svearike | wols, In my case main usage: database / mysql , ram: 4gb cpu: Xeon Quad 2.0ghz |
| 14:50.06 | wols | svearike: use 64bit due to the amount of memory you have |
| 14:50.11 | waseem57 | hi...anyone knows what codecs should i install for playing .rm and .rmvb files. |
| 14:50.25 | wols | waseem57: helix-player |
| 14:50.25 | liable | but you hit the sweet spot when you get one that does no more/no less than you need |
| 14:50.36 | svearike | wols, I see (really I don't), care to elaborate just a tad ? |
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| 14:51.05 | wols | 32bit can only access 3.5GB for each process. 64bit doesn't have this limit |
| 14:51.18 | waseem57 | wols: can't i play these files with mplayer? |
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| 14:51.37 | liable | wols: you dont need helix to play those do you? |
| 14:51.53 | helo_ | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
| 14:52.00 | liable | indeed |
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| 14:52.08 | helo_ | Run like hell and try to hide somewhere safe. |
| 14:52.13 | DeFirence | how do u schedule a cron job? |
| 14:52.25 | helo_ | crontab -e |
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| 14:52.38 | Trewas | wols: actually 32bit kernels work up to 64GB with PAE, debian has -bigmem kernels with that option |
| 14:52.42 | svearike | wols, well that's true I guess. But I've heard that when running 64bit more data is shuffled back and forth ... and would that possibly make it slower and less efficient ? |
| 14:52.48 | wols | Trewas: they work like shit |
| 14:52.57 | |DuReX| | hello, when u compile a kernel, is it better to put drivers build-in into kernel or better as module ? or isn't it a big difference ? |
| 14:53.19 | Trewas | wols: I haven't used them, but yes the idea sounds a bit of kludge |
| 14:53.19 | wols | |DuReX|: the question is why compile a kernel in the first place? |
| 14:53.52 | liable | deja vu |
| 14:53.56 | wols | svearike: with 64bit, instruction size increases of course yes, which is why it's not always "better" |
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| 14:54.11 | helo_ | i think it is always shuffling the same amount of data around, it only operates on half in 32-bit mode... maybe a little more hard disk loading? |
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| 14:54.23 | |DuReX| | wols: to add some drivers etc ? :) |
| 14:54.25 | wols | but the increased about of GP registers and easier memory administration offset this |
| 14:54.55 | wols | |DuReX|: there are backported kernels |
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| 14:55.29 | wols | s/about/amount |
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| 14:55.51 | dimsuz | oh. When I insert USB storage drive, the dir that appears in /media is enabled for write for root only. wtf? isn't that supposed to be plugdev group? |
| 14:56.03 | svearike | so what do you guys recommend , considering the specs and usage? reinstall to 64bit ? |
| 14:56.21 | |DuReX| | and default kernel boots off-board disks first :( its kinda crap that :) |
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| 14:56.56 | wols | |DuReX|: that's nonsense |
| 14:57.01 | ganes1 | wols:while configuring it is not eccepting <ok> it has struck on 3rd window |
| 14:57.03 | zimnyx | How can i kill this process: root 19929 0.0 0.2 2908 672 ? D 15:38 0:00 cpio -p0dm /tmp/.var.run ? kill -9 PID doesn't stop it. |
| 14:57.27 | pettern | try using -g |
| 14:57.53 | |DuReX| | well :s I got pci raid controller, and when the array is up, it has sda, and mobo disk sdb, and when array isn't working, mobo disk has sda |
| 14:57.56 | |DuReX| | it kinda sux :( |
| 14:58.18 | wols | kernels don't "boot disks" |
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| 14:59.18 | |DuReX| | i know wols, but it depends on the order it loads the modules, what diskname they have ... |
| 14:59.29 | |DuReX| | i'd like the disk on mobo is ALWAYS sda |
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| 14:59.33 | |DuReX| | and other are sdb ... |
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| 15:01.14 | BlackDesire | liable are u here ? |
| 15:01.26 | liable_ | BlackDesire: yes |
| 15:01.32 | zimnyx | pettern: -g as what option? |
| 15:01.34 | capiira | is www.gimp.org working ? |
| 15:02.14 | zimnyx | capiira: not for me |
| 15:02.20 | capiira | not for me too |
| 15:02.28 | capiira | maybe they are preparing for a gimp release |
| 15:02.33 | capiira | heh |
| 15:02.36 | capiira | dunno |
| 15:02.55 | capiira | just saw a non rc in incoming.debian.org |
| 15:02.58 | p0g0__ | it's more like a DOS, I get the gimp window title... |
| 15:03.08 | dimsuz | oh. When I insert USB storage drive, the dir that appears in /media is enabled for write for root only. wtf? isn't that supposed to be plugdev group? |
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| 15:03.23 | capiira | yeah true i get the window title too |
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| 15:04.11 | liable_ | BlackDesire: how did you get on? |
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| 15:04.44 | BlackDesire | liable whit wired connexion :) |
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| 15:05.00 | p0g0__ | gimp came up eventually here... |
| 15:05.10 | BlackDesire | my wireeles it not working :( |
| 15:05.31 | |DuReX| | u got any id how to fix that wols: so that root disk (on mobo) has always sda ? |
| 15:05.37 | liable_ | BlackDesire: you didnt paste what i asked for last time |
| 15:06.19 | wols | depends when and where they drivers are loaded. e.g. if it's loaded in initrd you could blacklist the PCI card there and later load the driver via /etc/modules |
| 15:06.33 | BlackDesire | liable, i do now |
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| 15:07.21 | BlackDesire | liable, http://paste.debian.net/40545 |
| 15:07.27 | liable_ | BlackDesire: you also didnt answer whther your wireless ap does dhcp |
| 15:08.12 | ganes1 | how to mount ntfs drive? |
| 15:08.18 | BlackDesire | liable, not it not doing |
| 15:08.38 | BlackDesire | but this i can fix ... |
| 15:08.57 | liable_ | BlackDesire: your ifconfig output looks good. your route output makes no sense even for a wired connection |
| 15:09.28 | liable_ | BlackDesire: do you know the ip of your router? |
| 15:09.56 | BlackDesire | liable, yes i now |
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| 15:10.25 | liable_ | BlackDesire: are you talking on the linux box now? |
| 15:10.43 | ganes1 | liable_;how to mount ntfs drive? |
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| 15:10.53 | BlackDesire | yes |
| 15:10.53 | BlackDesire | liable, im on debian laptop |
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| 15:11.00 | liable_ | ganes1: i have never used it, no idea sorry |
| 15:11.39 | wols | !ntfsro |
| 15:11.39 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 15:11.42 | liable_ | BlackDesire: really? you are talking to me on the same computer that you pasted that info from? |
| 15:11.52 | BlackDesire | liable, yes |
| 15:12.09 | liable_ | BlackDesire: can you repaste that info for me? |
| 15:12.18 | BlackDesire | liable_, yes now |
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| 15:14.09 | bumsdings | hello |
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| 15:14.28 | BlackDesire | liable, http://paste.debian.net/40547 |
| 15:14.30 | davut | hi I am looking for djbdns packages for etch but apt says it is obsoleye |
| 15:14.40 | davut | how can I install djbdns on debian etch |
| 15:15.06 | wols | davut: install from source, but you will be on your own then |
| 15:15.31 | \amethyst | there's djbdns-installer in contrib |
| 15:15.32 | wols | !djbdns |
| 15:15.32 | dpkg | djbdns is probably apt-get install djbdns-installer or at http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html - an alternative name server if BIND is getting you down, or non-free (a la pine and qmail), or , and a huge pain to set up due to daemontools |
| 15:15.55 | ganes1 | wols:how to mount ntfs drive? |
| 15:16.00 | bumsdings | does anyone know why debian doesnt see the harddrive connected on raid (set as standart ide) ? |
| 15:16.05 | liable | BlackDesire: that looks actually good. if you do 'ifconfig eth0 down' if you can keep talking to me then it works |
| 15:16.10 | davut | apt-get install djbdns-installer |
| 15:16.10 | davut | Reading package lists... Done |
| 15:16.10 | davut | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 15:16.10 | davut | Package djbdns-installer is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:16.10 | davut | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 15:16.14 | liable | bBUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT |
| 15:16.15 | wols | ganes1: dpkg told you a few min ago |
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| 15:16.24 | davut | ,sorry for pasting |
| 15:16.29 | liable | stupid caps lock |
| 15:16.31 | \amethyst | !contrib |
| 15:16.31 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 15:16.31 | davut | but apt gives the error |
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| 15:16.37 | davut | !djb |
| 15:16.37 | dpkg | well, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
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| 15:16.45 | liable | BlackDesire: dont do it yet |
| 15:16.59 | liable | my capslock key must have died on me |
| 15:17.12 | wols | !rip liable's capslock |
| 15:17.20 | \amethyst | dpkg, contrib =~ s/ add / the / |
| 15:17.20 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 15:17.23 | liable | !BITE wols |
| 15:17.34 | alex_ | how do i set my timezone in etch ? |
| 15:17.39 | alex_ | in terminal |
| 15:17.42 | liable | bah, stupid laptop |
| 15:17.45 | wols | run tzselect |
| 15:17.46 | _daniel_ | !FINGER wols |
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| 15:17.57 | stew | alex_: run tzconfig, not tzselect |
| 15:17.58 | liable | i wonder if a led key is warrenty worthy |
| 15:18.05 | wols | _daniel_: you still haven't answered the question |
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| 15:18.18 | nferrier | I've got this dpkg --set-selections problem |
| 15:18.21 | Kouryuu | cq493b |
| 15:18.33 | nferrier | I'm doing dpkg --set-selections < somepackagfile |
| 15:18.36 | _daniel_ | wols: 4.0 and 7186 |
| 15:18.49 | liable | BlackDesire: you still with us? |
| 15:18.49 | nferrier | but when I do apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 15:18.53 | wols | davut: what videochip? |
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| 15:19.02 | nferrier | I'm not getting any new packages installed |
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| 15:19.08 | ganes1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.12 | nferrier | despite there being new packages to install |
| 15:19.18 | nferrier | anyone have a clue about that? |
| 15:19.29 | wols | ganes1: and dpkg told you how to mount a ntfs partition |
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| 15:19.40 | tommy_ | easy question, how do you see which packets you have installed ? |
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| 15:19.53 | wols | tommy_: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
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| 15:20.03 | tommy_ | wols, thanks ! |
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| 15:21.34 | bumsdings | who knows why debian do not handle the hdd connected on onboard-raid... i tried to install, it says: no device found |
| 15:21.43 | david__ | a |
| 15:21.43 | abrotman | what's the controller? |
| 15:21.48 | bumsdings | fasttrack |
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| 15:22.08 | bumsdings | its an older asus a8v deluxe |
| 15:22.08 | BlackDesir | strange :) |
| 15:22.10 | Mathiazz | i start my box whitout x server. i redirect all my logs in /dev/tty1. but after a while the screen switch in pause !!! how can i do to let it awake ?? |
| 15:22.13 | ganes1 | wols:i din't understand what it told..i want to open a windows partion.. |
| 15:22.15 | liable | bumsdings: entirely realted to the controller and kernl version |
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| 15:22.47 | abrotman | Mathiazz: you mean it blanks? |
| 15:22.52 | wols | ganes1: and dpkg gave you the mount command and options to do it |
| 15:22.52 | bumsdings | ok |
| 15:23.00 | doubt_debian | hello there! I need some help on installing debian sarge (oldstable). How can I do this actually? |
| 15:23.02 | Mathiazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.07 | abrotman | !tell Mathiazz about blank |
| 15:23.15 | abrotman | doubt_debian: why sarge? |
| 15:23.21 | liable | BlackDesire: can you try and keep up with the questions? |
| 15:23.26 | doubt_debian | I need sarge for RTLinux development |
| 15:23.34 | wols | doubt_debian: by downloading an ISO, burning it and putting the CD-R into your CD drive so you can boot from it |
| 15:23.34 | abrotman | doubt_debian: so get the ISO and install |
| 15:23.36 | BlackDesir | liable, yes |
| 15:23.36 | doubt_debian | I need linux 2.6.9, with devfs |
| 15:23.42 | ergosum | a question guys, I updated from unstable yesterday and my keymapping in Xorg is completly fucked up |
| 15:23.48 | Mathiazz | abrotman what do you know about blank screen? |
| 15:23.49 | abrotman | ergosum: bts! |
| 15:23.50 | ganes1 | wols:what is uid gid? |
| 15:23.53 | abrotman | Mathiazz: the bot told you |
| 15:23.55 | doubt_debian | where I can get the ISO? I have been search on debian.org |
| 15:24.04 | wols | ganes1: user id, group id. read "man mount" |
| 15:24.05 | doubt_debian | but I not found |
| 15:24.07 | ergosum | anyone has experienced the same? |
| 15:24.10 | liable | BlackDesir: what are you up to? |
| 15:24.13 | abrotman | doubt_debian: ftp.ch.debian.org .. look in the debian-cd bit .. you want 3.1r5 or whatever it is |
| 15:24.24 | doubt_debian | I'll do this now |
| 15:24.38 | Mathiazz | abrotman thx |
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| 15:25.04 | ergosum | it's just very wierd, it has disabled all the arrows and the numeric pad and for example, it's mapping the left arrow to KSnapshot |
| 15:25.07 | BlackDesir | liable, can i keep up with questions |
| 15:25.09 | abrotman | doubt_debian: you'll have to be careful when installing and make sure your sources point at 'sarge' and NOT 'stable' |
| 15:25.13 | ergosum | if I turn to the console everything is fine |
| 15:25.14 | ergosum | :? |
| 15:25.18 | doubt_debian | ok abrotman |
| 15:25.20 | doubt_debian | I found it |
| 15:25.22 | liable | BlackDesir: yes, but what have you done now? |
| 15:25.28 | doubt_debian | tnk you |
| 15:25.35 | doubt_debian | and sry my english! |
| 15:25.38 | liable | BlackDesir: did you try that last command i gave you? |
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| 15:26.03 | ergosum | abrotman any clue? |
| 15:26.08 | BlackDesir | liable, no .. can u give me one more time |
| 15:26.20 | BlackDesir | i was offline |
| 15:26.25 | abrotman | ergosum: yes .. check the BTS |
| 15:26.35 | liable | doubt_debian: dont worry, its better than mine, and its my native language! :) |
| 15:26.54 | abrotman | it's |
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| 15:27.09 | doubt_debian | yes abrotman, tks for the tip |
| 15:27.22 | abrotman | beat's ? :) |
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| 15:27.49 | abrotman | goe's! |
| 15:28.02 | doubt_debian | liable: ;) |
| 15:28.03 | nferrier | --set-selections ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade not changing anything? clues? |
| 15:28.07 | liable | not at all funny or correct! |
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| 15:28.16 | |bb7| | hello, we use debian stable (etch) and it's php package is on php 5.2.0, for security reasons we need 5.2.4, is there an elegant way to get 5.2.4? |
| 15:28.29 | _daniel_ | hmm |
| 15:28.56 | BlackDesir | liable, whici was the last command u give to me / |
| 15:28.57 | BlackDesir | ? |
| 15:28.58 | liable | BlackDesir: you can copy the bits in between the '' ok? |
| 15:28.59 | wols | |bb7|: check backports or backport it yourself |
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| 15:29.01 | |bb7| | shouldn't php security problems get pacthed via debian security sources |
| 15:29.11 | wols | |bb7|: however, debian usually backports security fixes |
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| 15:29.17 | BlackDesir | liable, ok |
| 15:29.27 | _daniel_ | so does anyone know why I cant start X and get this error (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to allocate rankine object |
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| 15:29.53 | |bb7| | wols: does it backport security fixes into 5.2.0 ? |
| 15:29.54 | wols | |bb7|: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1330 |
| 15:29.55 | liable | BlackDesir: 'ifconfig eth0 down; route add -net default gw 192.168.0.200 dev eth2' |
| 15:30.01 | wols | |bb7|: yes |
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| 15:30.24 | |bb7| | thank you |
| 15:30.37 | liable | BlackDesir: hopefully that kills your ethernet and makes your wireless work |
| 15:30.40 | BlackDesir | done |
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| 15:30.47 | wols | _daniel_: for the last time, what videochip? |
| 15:30.51 | Azar | wols: you mean aptitude update/upgrade applies security patches for an older package version ? |
| 15:30.58 | liable | BlackDesir: realy? |
| 15:30.58 | \amethyst | |bb7|: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.0-8+etch7/changelog lists all the vulnerabilities that have been patched in Debian since 5.2.0 appeared |
| 15:31.04 | _daniel_ | nvidia 7300 le |
| 15:31.05 | BlackDesir | i must try now ? |
| 15:31.06 | \amethyst | |bb7|: in etch, that is |
| 15:31.07 | wols | Azar: no. I mean debian security team backports security fixes |
| 15:31.18 | liable | BlackDesir: did you do it yet? |
| 15:31.20 | Azar | wols: ahhh thanks |
| 15:31.21 | wols | _daniel_: wrong driver |
| 15:31.25 | utopia_ | how can i install a .deb package from a later release of debian? |
| 15:31.26 | BlackDesir | liable, yes |
| 15:31.28 | wols | _daniel_: 71.xx is not for you |
| 15:31.30 | utopia_ | im on etch |
| 15:31.33 | BlackDesir | i give that command |
| 15:31.40 | utopia_ | and i think the package is the latest on sargw |
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| 15:31.42 | liable | BlackDesir: paste your stats again |
| 15:31.43 | wols | !tell utopia_ about backports |
| 15:31.43 | utopia_ | sarge* |
| 15:31.57 | BlackDesir | i must unplug the wire now ? |
| 15:31.57 | _daniel_ | hm |
| 15:32.05 | liable | BlackDesir: not yet |
| 15:32.07 | wols | utopia_: sarge is older than etch |
| 15:32.10 | BlackDesir | liable, ok |
| 15:32.20 | |bb7| | wols: php -v says it is on 5.2.0 |
| 15:32.24 | _daniel_ | umm |
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| 15:32.33 | utopia_ | thanks Wolfete |
| 15:32.35 | utopia_ | wols |
| 15:32.41 | |bb7| | wols: we use a hacker guardian secirty service, thioine chacks for php version 5.2.4 |
| 15:32.44 | wols | |bb7|: and for etch there will always be 5.2.0, never anything else |
| 15:32.52 | ergosum | abrotman you know what package is affected? Looking for Xorg or Xorg+keymap isn't getting anything back from BTS |
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| 15:33.09 | techouse | how do you enable the 3d rotating cube in compiz? |
| 15:33.14 | |bb7| | wols: we use a hacker guardian security service, it checks for php version 5.2.4 |
| 15:33.19 | |bb7| | sorry;) |
| 15:33.27 | techouse | or better what's the command to call it? |
| 15:33.42 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.43 | wols | |bb7|: debian backports security fixes from 5.2.4 to 5.2.0 on their own |
| 15:33.56 | liable | techouse: if its working, its ctl+alt+arrow<left/right> by default |
| 15:33.57 | wols | if your super security service can't deal with that: tough |
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| 15:34.06 | |bb7| | wols: ok thank, you... isn0t that hard work? |
| 15:34.08 | BlackDesir | liable, http://paste.debian.net/40550 |
| 15:34.09 | techouse | nope |
| 15:34.17 | wols | yes it is, but stable is stable |
| 15:34.26 | techouse | if i do alt+ctrl+down it gives me a desktop strip line |
| 15:34.31 | \amethyst | perhaps !<< should mention <<- ? |
| 15:34.34 | \amethyst | gah |
| 15:34.45 | liable | BlackDesir: you didnt fo 'ifconfig eth0 down' |
| 15:34.46 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.50 | techouse | other arrows don't work |
| 15:34.53 | _daniel_ | insmod: error inserting './selfgz4816/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 15:34.59 | liable | BlackDesir: are you using a gui network manager? |
| 15:35.04 | wols | _daniel_: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 15:35.07 | BlackDesir | liable, yes |
| 15:35.24 | wols | _daniel_: 96.xx is not in etch |
| 15:35.29 | BlackDesir | the gui standart on debian... |
| 15:35.34 | _daniel_ | # dpkg -l|grep nvidia |
| 15:35.34 | _daniel_ | # |
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| 15:35.45 | _daniel_ | wols: what version ? |
| 15:36.00 | liable | BlackDesir: disable the ethernet card in it then |
| 15:36.08 | wols | _daniel_: then no nvidia packages are installed. we only support nvidia drivers from debian repositories |
| 15:36.23 | BlackDesir | liable, eth1 ? |
| 15:36.29 | wols | _daniel_: etch has 87,76 |
| 15:36.32 | BlackDesir | ups |
| 15:36.38 | _daniel_ | hmm |
| 15:36.45 | BlackDesir | i have eth0 and eth2 |
| 15:36.46 | liable | BlackDesir: it shows eth1? |
| 15:36.54 | liable | BlackDesir: disable eth0 |
| 15:36.57 | _daniel_ | 76? |
| 15:36.58 | BlackDesir | liable, ok |
| 15:37.20 | wols | yes, 86.76 |
| 15:37.28 | wols | erm 87.76 |
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| 15:37.54 | _daniel_ | 87,76? huh |
| 15:37.58 | _daniel_ | oh |
| 15:38.00 | trumpen | Hi! I have heavily modified /etc/squid/squid.conf (i.e. moved cache's type from ufs to aufs). Should I restart squid or just run "squid -k reconfigure"? |
| 15:38.05 | liable | BlackDesir: still with me? |
| 15:38.39 | _daniel_ | 1.0-87.76 ? hrmm |
| 15:38.43 | ganes1 | wols:mount: can't find /dev/sdb5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab...what to do? |
| 15:38.48 | _daniel_ | never haerd of that nvidia driver version before |
| 15:38.54 | wols | _daniel_: yes. the 71.xx driver is for older, legacy cards |
| 15:39.08 | ergosum | pleaz, could someone point me what package or bug number is the one fucking the X keymaps (sid)? |
| 15:39.14 | BlackDesir | done |
| 15:39.18 | wols | ganes1: nothing. you add it if you want (to fstab only) |
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| 15:39.31 | liable | BlackDesir: paste again |
| 15:39.37 | BlackDesir | liable, i was down |
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| 15:39.55 | BlackDesir | when dezactivate i dont have connection |
| 15:40.54 | _daniel_ | configure: error: Can't find libncursesw -- please install libncursesw5-dev |
| 15:41.08 | simmerz|work | how can I create .debs of perl modules that aren't in the repository? |
| 15:41.13 | liable | BlackDesir: are you positive you put the right key in the wireless thing? |
| 15:41.16 | _daniel_ | although ldconfig -v shows libncursesw.so.5 -> libncursesw.so.5.5 |
| 15:41.19 | _daniel_ | hrmm |
| 15:41.35 | BlackDesir | http://paste.debian.net/40551 |
| 15:41.46 | BlackDesir | liable, yes |
| 15:41.47 | wols | _daniel_: what are you trying to compile? |
| 15:42.33 | ninjjax | help friends... My erro is - Fatal Server Error: could not open default font 'fixed'... In Debian Leny Testing, sorry my bad inglesh, im from Brasil, help plz... |
| 15:42.40 | wols | !fixed |
| 15:42.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 15:42.47 | _daniel_ | wols: aptitude |
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| 15:43.03 | wols | _daniel_: you try to COMPILE aptitude? |
| 15:43.06 | liable | BlackDesir: have you another computer i can talk to you on while we do this? |
| 15:43.07 | _daniel_ | yes |
| 15:43.14 | wols | _daniel_: why? |
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| 15:43.23 | _daniel_ | caues its the only way i can get it |
| 15:43.24 | liable | !kill network-manager |
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| 15:43.29 | BlackDesir | liable, tes |
| 15:43.33 | BlackDesir | liable, yes |
| 15:43.36 | BlackDesir | one second |
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| 15:43.43 | wols | _daniel_: that is not true |
| 15:44.00 | \amethyst | _daniel_: do you have libncursesw5-dev ? |
| 15:44.17 | \amethyst | _daniel_: is this a non-debian machine? |
| 15:44.17 | wols | _daniel_: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 what version? |
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| 15:45.22 | _daniel_ | ii libc6-dev 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea |
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| 15:46.04 | wols | _daniel_: upgrade to etch |
| 15:46.30 | wols | also, I said libc6, not libc6-dev |
| 15:46.40 | _daniel_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:46.49 | ninjjax | wols: aptitude install xorg not's works... |
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| 15:46.52 | wols | I know, but still not etc :) |
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| 15:46.59 | wols | *etch |
| 15:47.11 | wols | !tell ninjjax about doesn't work |
| 15:47.43 | ninjjax | ... |
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| 15:47.56 | ZeNN | linux |
| 15:48.29 | ninjjax | !fixed |
| 15:48.29 | dpkg | i heard fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 15:48.52 | wols | ninjjax: dpkg -l xfonts-base |
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| 15:49.24 | _daniel_ | ii libncursesw5 5.5-5 Shared libraries for terminal handling (wide |
| 15:49.31 | _daniel_ | i have that but not libncursesw5-dev hmm |
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| 15:50.15 | wols | _daniel_: you can apt-get aptitude without compiling it |
| 15:50.19 | ninjjax | wols: ii xfonts-base 1:1.0.0-5 standart fonts for X |
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| 15:50.58 | _daniel_ | wont le tme |
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| 15:51.06 | utopia_ | I added wine.budget-dedicated.com to the list of source.list but it isnt listed in /etc/apt/sources.list yet it is still trying to be used..how can i undo this? |
| 15:51.15 | _daniel_ | i cant apt-get anything really.. |
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| 15:51.20 | wols | utopia_: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:51.21 | _daniel_ | it always wants a newer version of libc6 |
| 15:51.41 | wols | _daniel_: pastebin your sources.list |
| 15:51.58 | wols | _daniel_: that won't change when you compile your own aptitude |
| 15:52.25 | _daniel_ | sources.list ? |
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| 15:52.47 | wols | your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:52.53 | utopia_ | thanks Wolfete |
| 15:52.54 | utopia_ | wols* |
| 15:53.00 | _daniel_ | yeah |
| 15:53.03 | _daniel_ | # Stable |
| 15:53.03 | _daniel_ | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 15:53.19 | ninjjax | !xfonts-base |
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| 15:53.46 | wols | _daniel_: your current libc6 is the wrong one. you need 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 for stable |
| 15:54.06 | wols | _daniel_: right now you run a etch vresion from when etch was still testing |
| 15:54.17 | _daniel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.23 | wols | so an apt-get dist-upgrade would be a good thing |
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| 15:54.38 | wols | also make sure there is a securit.debian.org line in your sources.list |
| 15:54.42 | liable | BlackDesir: i will leaving pretty soon, so if you dont hear from me, ask in 12 hours or so if you dont get it sorted |
| 15:54.44 | |bb7| | wols: is a manual updated needed to install security fixes? |
| 15:54.45 | wols | *security.debian.org |
| 15:54.55 | _daniel_ | there is |
| 15:54.59 | wols | |bb7|: define "manual" |
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| 15:55.11 | gotenks | how do i configure debian to start things (such as vnc) at boot? i'm making a headless system and thus can't log in |
| 15:55.12 | nameless | which is the name of the linux gamers site ? |
| 15:55.12 | |bb7| | wols: type into console: apt-get install php5 |
| 15:55.19 | wols | |bb7|: apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:55.34 | |bb7| | wols:thank you |
| 15:56.02 | wols | !security |
| 15:56.02 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
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| 15:56.51 | |bb7| | wols: !security ? |
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| 15:57.04 | |bb7| | ah... |
| 15:57.09 | ninjjax | wols: thanks my friend! All right on my Debian now! |
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| 15:57.38 | Amiralul | hello |
| 15:57.42 | gotenks | wols, you wouldn't have my answer in your book of tricks would you? |
| 15:57.46 | MindCr | !unstable security |
| 15:57.47 | dpkg | unstable security is, like, partial and unreliable, or http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 15:58.00 | wols | !rc.local |
| 15:58.00 | dpkg | methinks rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 15:58.14 | Amiralul | I was trying to add the r1 etch DVD to synaptic, after a fresh install, but synaptic said that DVD failed to add, though the DVD is mounted |
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| 15:58.28 | wols | you don't mount it |
| 15:58.30 | gotenks | !init.d |
| 15:58.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, init.d is ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local> |
| 15:58.42 | gotenks | !bootmisc |
| 15:58.43 | dpkg | bootmisc is probably where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, or ask about <rc.local> |
| 15:58.58 | Amiralul | wols: it automount, as I put it into tray and close... |
| 15:59.40 | Amiralul | Error scaning the CD. E:Failed to mount the cdrom. |
| 15:59.50 | wols | !tell gotenks about selftell |
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| 16:00.10 | gotenks | lol, sorry wols, i was about to /m it |
| 16:00.24 | BlackDesir | liable whit windows i dont reach this server |
| 16:00.36 | lipfi | is there a way to chroot to an usb stick or tu run software located on the stick without beeing root ? |
| 16:00.39 | alex_ | when my uptime stats get up too 2.10 | 1.60 | 1.05 |
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| 16:01.02 | alex_ | does that mean over the last 5 minutes, processors have been waiting two clock cycles to get processed? |
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| 16:01.22 | wols | lipfi: just mount the stick accordingly |
| 16:01.34 | Amiralul | oh, and when I try to add INternet repo, the default is 3.1 Sarge :| |
| 16:01.46 | wols | but if the stick is formatted as fat, this gets kinda had |
| 16:01.51 | Amiralul | though I used 4.0r1 DVD to install |
| 16:02.03 | wols | Amiralul: pastrebin your sources.list |
| 16:02.07 | wols | *pastebin |
| 16:02.35 | |bb7| | wols: are you a bot?;) |
| 16:02.36 | lipfi | ok thx, i'll try |
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| 16:02.44 | tim_flatus | Does anyone have a clue on how to get embedded videos to play on web-pages? I have moz-plugger installed as well as the mplayer plugin etc. |
| 16:02.44 | Amiralul | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 16:02.45 | Amiralul | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 16:02.59 | Amiralul | I've just install, 5 minutes... |
| 16:03.07 | tim_flatus | In Iceweasel |
| 16:03.10 | wols | tim_flatus: what format of the videos? |
| 16:03.20 | tim_flatus | wols, wmv and rm |
| 16:03.21 | wols | Amiralul: #debian is not a pastebin! |
| 16:03.36 | Amiralul | (I delete the DVD from synaptic, as it didn't work, and try to add it again, but again, didn't work) |
| 16:03.44 | Amiralul | wols: there were only 2 lines.... |
| 16:03.50 | tim_flatus | possibly quicktime too and flv |
| 16:03.57 | wols | !tell Amiralul about sources.list |
| 16:03.57 | tim_flatus | flvs are actually ok |
| 16:04.05 | tim_flatus | sometimes |
| 16:04.13 | wols | tim_flatus: for wmv you need w32codecs |
| 16:04.21 | tim_flatus | wols, got them |
| 16:04.27 | Amiralul | wols... you didn't understand my problem |
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| 16:04.51 | Amiralul | I used synaptic to add an official DVD, it is mounted, but synaptic refuses to se it |
| 16:04.59 | tim_flatus | I've already installed gstreamer-really-evil |
| 16:05.12 | wols | Amiralul: since there is nothing about this DvD in sources.list: I don't care. |
| 16:05.22 | wols | debian's apt cares about sources.list. nothing else |
| 16:05.31 | abrotman | and sources.d |
| 16:05.35 | Amiralul | It was there, but refuses to instal from it, so I delete it and pres ADD CD-ROM |
| 16:05.39 | wols | abrotman: ok, sources.d too |
| 16:05.44 | wols | Amiralul: man apt-cdrom |
| 16:05.46 | tim_flatus | I think it's more of a problm with Iceweasel negotiating with the plugins |
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| 16:06.39 | Azar | he only has the security source line there, I guess he needs the cd/dvd source line |
| 16:06.40 | tim_flatus | Does anyone have any clues for filtering about:config for instance? |
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| 16:07.24 | Amiralul | http://pastebin.com/m3e229cc1 |
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| 16:07.47 | keith4 | should I be excited about the new ATI driver? |
| 16:08.14 | evvi | hello, i have problems to install mysql properly... |
| 16:08.18 | Ronin | keith4: you can b eif you want to |
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| 16:08.34 | Amiralul | ... and yes, the disk is in the drive |
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| 16:09.01 | Azar | keith4: I guess not |
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| 16:09.25 | wols | evvi: you also have problems asking a useable question |
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| 16:09.32 | wols | or stating a problem well |
| 16:09.37 | Azar | it is still a proprietary blob, even though they tell they released an open source linux driver |
| 16:09.39 | folken | keith4: i think its a step forward. |
| 16:09.42 | evvi | http://pastebin.com/m4661fe2b |
| 16:10.01 | folken | Azar: oh it is? |
| 16:10.04 | keith4 | what's the procedure for something like this becoming available to module-assistant? |
| 16:10.05 | perlnoob | hey which one is better between perl and php |
| 16:10.16 | wols | !tell evvi about confmiss |
| 16:10.16 | keith4 | perlnoob: different tools for different jobs |
| 16:10.31 | Amiralul | wols: what is wrong? |
| 16:10.40 | perlnoob | general use |
| 16:10.49 | wols | Amiralul: imho your automount |
| 16:10.54 | Azar | the way is described, ATI only opened some libraries, with a NDA condition to make it easy for the frglx dev team... |
| 16:11.05 | folken | php hasen't setteld yet. Perl is more mature. |
| 16:11.07 | Amiralul | wols: can you please give me a few more details? |
| 16:11.08 | alex_ | can anyone with mysql knowledge why im getting this: ?? ERROR 1130 (00000): Host 'moon.qoedgreve.com' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 16:11.18 | alex_ | and what i need to change in my.cnf? |
| 16:11.23 | unstable | How long should I let memtest run, to tell if my RAM is bad or not? |
| 16:11.35 | keith4 | alex_: ask #mysql |
| 16:11.50 | keith4 | unstable: for intermittent problems, it can take many, many hours |
| 16:11.52 | unstable | memtest runs forever unless you stop it right? |
| 16:11.55 | keith4 | yes |
| 16:11.58 | folken | alex_: probably in your permissions table you have only "localhost" |
| 16:12.02 | unstable | keith4: damn, that's a long time. heh |
| 16:12.24 | wols | unstable: you can't prove a negative |
| 16:12.36 | alex_ | folken, in my.cnf? |
| 16:12.37 | unstable | keith4: If there is a bad IC or something on the RAM stick, memtest should pick that up right away right? |
| 16:13.11 | keith4 | for serious problems, a few passes (if not a single pass) will show errors |
| 16:13.16 | folken | alex_: no in your mysql db |
| 16:13.25 | keith4 | but if you're stabbing in the dark using memtest... be prepared to wait |
| 16:13.31 | Amiralul | hmmm... what should I do next? I'm kind of stuck |
| 16:13.39 | alex_ | folken, ah ok, any clues on how to fix? |
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| 16:14.08 | wols | put in the debian dvd, then unmount it again |
| 16:14.11 | wols | then run apt-cdrom |
| 16:14.25 | unstable | Is there a kernel option to test my file system, and check for bad sectors etc? maybe something with SMART? |
| 16:14.27 | Amiralul | did that, same stuff |
| 16:14.37 | wols | unstable: yes there are smartmontools |
| 16:14.40 | folken | alex_: have a look at http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.14/html/granttables.html |
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| 16:15.07 | liable | unstable: you can only do fsck's on unmounted fs's |
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| 16:15.19 | folken | but if your connecting from localhost then probably something in your /etc/hosts is wrong. |
| 16:15.22 | liable | unstable: didnt i tell you about this earlier? |
| 16:15.25 | Amiralul | wols: http://pastebin.com/d15f54a5a |
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| 16:16.47 | cmdln | unstable: you can use badblocks |
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| 16:17.39 | Amiralul | wols: also: http://pastebin.com/d792ddbe5 |
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| 16:18.08 | liable | BlackDesir: you cant irc on windows? |
| 16:18.16 | wols | cmdln: he can but he shouldn't |
| 16:18.22 | CactusMD | hey i just upgraded to hal 0.5.9.1-6 and whenever i try to start hal i get this error haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. |
| 16:18.35 | wols | !unstable |
| 16:18.36 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
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| 16:18.44 | liable | CactusMD: read the man page, it states it pretty clearly |
| 16:18.53 | liable | bah |
| 16:18.57 | savio_R | After dist-upgrade, I don't have more cedilla and can't use a terminal typing Ctrl+Alt+Fn. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:19.14 | tralala | I'm thinking of attempting a PXE install. Am I heading for a world of pain? |
| 16:19.26 | keith4 | do you have a PXE server? |
| 16:19.32 | keith4 | er, tftp server? |
| 16:19.35 | cmdln | tralala: not once you have it setup |
| 16:19.45 | cmdln | tftp srver and pxe isnt too hard |
| 16:19.55 | cmdln | and its nice once its done |
| 16:20.02 | liable | damn i hate it when i decide to respond and someone with a nick joins in that 5 seconds and makes me nickbork |
| 16:20.14 | Amiralul | ok, I'll repost my problem: I cannot use apt-cdrom add to add the Oficial Debian 4.0r1 DVD (http://pastebin.com/d792ddbe5) |
| 16:20.14 | tralala | cmdln, is the process well documented? |
| 16:20.17 | keith4 | i had to blacklist ipv6 on my server to get pxe booting to work on stable |
| 16:20.22 | cmdln | yeh |
| 16:21.11 | tralala | then I'm bravely going for it |
| 16:21.30 | _daniel_ | hmm |
| 16:21.52 | keith4 | it's awesome when it works |
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| 16:22.09 | keith4 | tralala: it requires dhcp options, too |
| 16:22.20 | xingu | liable's a nickbork liable's a nickbork |
| 16:23.07 | evvi | wols.. i used the apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server mysql-server-5.0... but i cant connect to the local database |
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| 16:23.37 | jeward_ | How do I add additional domains to search with resolvconf? |
| 16:23.51 | tralala | keith4, hopefully my router's dhcp server will do? |
| 16:23.53 | wols | !tell evvi about errors |
| 16:23.57 | keith4 | tralala: not likely |
| 16:24.10 | keith4 | unless it's running debian |
| 16:24.34 | tralala | bah, forget it. I'll just burn a netinst cd |
| 16:24.42 | keith4 | tralala: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 16:24.48 | evvi | http://pastebin.com/me8597e4 |
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| 16:26.32 | techouse | how do i switch the kde start menu button icon? i wanna replace the big K with the debian logo |
| 16:26.35 | techouse | :) |
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| 16:28.37 | Amiralul | anyone knows why the default repo in Synaptic, after a fresh install, is 3.1 Sarge? |
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| 16:29.31 | tt__ | I'm having problems installing screen from source. Another user told me to "make install > /dev/null/ to see if I got any error messages. Exactly what is it he want's me to do? |
| 16:29.47 | yoshio | Amiralul: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:30.23 | Amiralul | great... now Syanptic freezed... on Debian stable |
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| 16:31.15 | yoshio | tt__: did you "apt-get source screen" or did you get the upstream tarball? |
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| 16:31.50 | tt__ | yoshio: I downloaded the tarball from a mirror. |
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| 16:33.17 | evvi | i have problems to connect my local mysql-server.. after the installation i get that http://pastebin.com/me8597e4 |
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| 16:33.39 | hg87 | helllo |
| 16:33.52 | yoshio | tt__: if you do "apt-get source screen", you will get the debian'ized source. just run ./debian/rules after getting the source. what errors are you getting by compiling? did you have to do ./configure before using make? |
| 16:34.12 | ganes1 | i hav .deb file on desktop how to install it? |
| 16:34.14 | tt__ | yoshio: The problem is that I've patched the source with the "vertical split patch", everything went fine but screen still doesnt work. I've downloaded the original code again, compiled it and I got the same problem - It seemes like I can't install screen from source. Apt-get does the trick but there isn't any patched screens in the reps. |
| 16:34.23 | techouse | damn...i have to compile kopete to enable custom emoticons |
| 16:34.25 | techouse | :P |
| 16:34.45 | tt__ | yoshio: I patched it succesfully, -> ./configure make make install. No error messages but It doesnt work. |
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| 16:35.30 | yoshio | ganes1: dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 16:35.40 | evvi | wolsß |
| 16:35.54 | meonkeys | I'm looking for a way to backup an installed package in case I need to roll back after upgrading. |
| 16:35.56 | meonkeys | is there a way to "distill" a .deb package from an installed package? |
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| 16:38.25 | daveinthesky | meonkeys: not that I am aware. Check to see if it's still laying around in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 16:39.14 | meonkeys | daveinthesky: I installed this one by hand, unfortunately. |
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| 16:42.51 | yoshio | tt__: I once compiled a program from source, with debugging statements - when I ran it, I never saw my debug statements. it turns out the program had multiple binaries, i ran the new program from my home directory, but the new program kept calling the old other binaries from /usr/lib. also, the old other binaries remained running in memory, so I didn't see my debug statements. do you have an old screen process running? |
| 16:43.01 | ganes1 | yoshio:hiw can i install sun-java5-jre? |
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| 16:43.44 | yoshio | ganes1: I think that's in non-free, do you have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:43.50 | wols | !java install |
| 16:43.54 | wols | !install java |
| 16:43.55 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-jre or sun-java6-jre from non-free if you're using etch/etch-backports/lenny/sid or ask me about <java-package>. |
| 16:44.00 | sam55 | !screen |
| 16:44.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 16:45.25 | meonkeys | screen also lets you do kibitz-like terminal sharing and zmodem transfers. |
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| 16:46.10 | alex_ | when my system load via uptime is like 1.50 ... what does this mean?? processes have to wait 1.5 cycles to get processed? |
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| 16:46.35 | ganes1 | !java-package 1ganu1 |
| 16:46.38 | timewriter | hi |
| 16:46.50 | timewriter | anyone can tell me how do i get ntfs support for 4.0 ? |
| 16:46.58 | ampex | alex_: from what I've seen mentioned here, it basically means your processor would have to be 1.5x as fast as it currently is in order to keep up with the demands being placed upon it in realtime |
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| 16:47.17 | ampex | alex_: but it's a bit of a complex metric, you might wish to google for more information |
| 16:47.24 | alex_ | hmm ok |
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| 16:47.44 | guillaume | timewriter: fuse+afuse+ntfs-3g i think |
| 16:47.59 | timewriter | does the 2.6.22 kernel have them ? |
| 16:48.05 | ampex | alex_: it also has something to do with the number of processors or cores in the box |
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| 16:48.43 | timewriter | reboot |
| 16:48.46 | guillaume | timewriter: search for them with aptitude search will answer you |
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| 16:55.34 | ganes1 | yoshio:i don hav non free in sources.list what to add? |
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| 16:56.24 | ganes1 | !java-package |
| 16:56.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 16:57.37 | xisle | is there a utility to find files on a system that don't belong to any of the installed packages? |
| 16:57.50 | yoshio | ganes1: I have a line like "deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ lenny main contrib" in my /etc/apt/sources.list . add "non-free" to the end of the line |
| 16:58.05 | cahoot | xisle, maybe deborphan |
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| 16:59.00 | Atalanta | why dosnt debian use newer software versions |
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| 17:00.02 | wols | Atalanta: cause stable is stable and stays stable |
| 17:00.44 | Atalanta | oh i gotcha |
| 17:00.54 | Atalanta | i thought it was more outdated than that, thats the impression i had |
| 17:00.57 | _vvd | why dosnt debian have checkinstall? |
| 17:01.04 | wols | !checkinstall |
| 17:01.04 | dpkg | [checkinstall] a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58875&sid=80f33f6e8e3089dbd87513e9ca941775 |
| 17:01.15 | abrotman | xisle: there is something .. can't remember what it's called |
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| 17:03.38 | ganes1 | yoshio:after adding how to install it? |
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| 17:04.06 | wols | ganes1: with aptitude, like evreything else |
| 17:04.09 | xisle | that's the trouble I'm having and I can't think what to search for to find it. "debian find files not in packages" things like that |
| 17:04.59 | cahoot | xisle, try aptitude show deborphan unless already done |
| 17:05.12 | yoshio | ganes1: "aptitude update", then try "apt-cache show sun-java5-jre" if you like, then "aptitude install sun-java5-jre" |
| 17:05.20 | abrotman | cahoot: that won't help |
| 17:05.25 | abrotman | xisle: maybe 'tiger' ? |
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| 17:05.55 | xisle | cahoot: yeah thanks, deborphan is the right idea but I'm after files that aren't in packages rather than packages that aren't needed |
| 17:06.24 | cahoot | xisle, I got it at last |
| 17:06.43 | abrotman | xisle: http://packages.debian.org/etch/tiger |
| 17:06.51 | xisle | abrotman: ta, installing now |
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| 17:07.14 | abrotman | xisle: i don't think that's the one i was originally takling about .. but itmight help |
| 17:07.30 | stew | xisle: "grep -q filename /var/lib/dpkg/info/*{list,conffiles}" would exit with success if the file is in a debian pacakge, you could probably use this to script it |
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| 17:12.43 | stew | oh and the files in conffiles are actually contained in the list file |
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| 17:13.20 | rcbarnes | Is there a good tutorial on how to get ipw2100 working on etch? |
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| 17:13.33 | rcbarnes | I'm quite tired of hard-lining my laptop. |
| 17:13.34 | rcbarnes | :-P |
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| 17:14.12 | abrotman | !ipw2100 |
| 17:14.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 17:14.21 | abrotman | don't forget to get the firmware |
| 17:14.28 | tarrybone | thoughts about sshguard? dpkg tells me about shellter, but there is no package for it i can find... |
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| 17:15.15 | rcbarnes | abrotman: I think that's what I've been missing. Thanks. |
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| 17:19.47 | sylvantis | Hello, what kernel does the current netinstall cd have? i need a kernel 2.6.19 or higher (for chipset support), or are there a sid netinstall available? (i cannot seem to find it) |
| 17:20.25 | xisle | stew: thanks, i used that to make a list of files that should be there and diffed it against what was there |
| 17:20.27 | ke4qqq | hey guys, I am running unstable and can't get xend running, it acts as if xen isn't compiled into the kernel, and based on my search of the repo it appears that there is no longer a xen-linux-system package available. (IIRC Xen was being put into all recent kernels) is there something I am missing? |
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| 17:22.49 | abrotman | !tell sylvantis about kmuto |
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| 17:25.46 | sylvantis | uhh yes tell me... what is kmuto? :p |
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| 17:26.27 | h3sp4wn | ke4qqq: There is support for running as a xen domU in very recent kernels |
| 17:26.32 | Farhadix | Hi, guys |
| 17:26.48 | h3sp4wn | ke4qqq: (using the xen paravirtual ops thing) |
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| 17:27.03 | h3sp4wn | ke4qqq: You still need the full xen kernel though to run as a dom0 |
| 17:27.11 | wols | sylvantis: dpkg already told you |
| 17:27.11 | abrotman | sylvantis: the bot just did |
| 17:27.14 | Farhadix | when I try telnet localhost, returns connection refused error, any one can help me? |
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| 17:27.31 | abrotman | Farhadix: what are you trying to do ? |
| 17:27.32 | wols | Farhadix: why would your run a telnet daemon? |
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| 17:28.06 | tarrybone | hmm ... perhaps denyhosts is the best solution for securing sshd? |
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| 17:28.19 | abrotman | securing against what ? |
| 17:28.20 | wols | !fail2ban |
| 17:28.21 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. |
| 17:28.22 | Ronin | tarrybone: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:28.47 | ameyer | abrotman: presumably brute-forcing |
| 17:28.49 | tarrybone | ah, fail2ban rates better than denyhosts? trying to block brute force ssh login attempts |
| 17:29.01 | tarrybone | i had initially found shellter via querying dpkg |
| 17:29.12 | tarrybone | but there is no shellter .deb i could locate |
| 17:29.26 | Farhadix | i wanna test courier, |
| 17:29.37 | sylvantis | abrotman: wols ahh ok sorry, it msged me, thnx |
| 17:29.37 | asg | Farhadix: then telnet to proper port |
| 17:29.45 | wols | Farhadix: which part of it? |
| 17:30.10 | ke4qqq | h3sp4wn: that is what I thought, but when I look at unstables package list I no longer see a xen kernel, do I have to downgrade to get a xen kernel or has it been renamed? |
| 17:30.14 | abrotman | tarrybone: or you could set iptables to do it on your own .. there's a rate-limit option to iptables |
| 17:30.33 | tarrybone | abrotman: ah, interesting, i will take a look at that. ty |
| 17:30.37 | capiira | hah see gimp got a new site |
| 17:30.39 | capiira | finaly |
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| 17:30.56 | capiira | not geeky anymore :D |
| 17:30.57 | h3sp4wn | ke4qqq: don't know if there is a recent working one - you could just get the source from xen-source and build one |
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| 17:31.23 | versuchsanstalt | capiira: well, theyre gfx geeks, you know ;-) |
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| 17:31.31 | Farhadix | 143 |
| 17:31.37 | ke4qqq | h3sp4wn: yeah may have to do that.....thanks |
| 17:32.09 | wols | ah courier-imap |
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| 17:32.58 | Farhadix | wols, yup |
| 17:34.17 | dhe | Hi iam searching for a small Socks5 proxy server for debian. Does someone have a good tip? |
| 17:34.34 | asg | dhe: apt-cache search socks proxy |
| 17:35.01 | dhe | that wasnt my question |
| 17:35.06 | wols | dhe: dante |
| 17:35.25 | Farhadix | now, how fix it? |
| 17:35.37 | wols | !tell Farhadix about errors |
| 17:36.07 | dhe | wols: thanks i will try that |
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| 17:37.15 | abrotman | capiira: when looking at the page .. type "eek" |
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| 17:38.09 | Farhadix | wols, I have compiled courier manually , and after that run "/usr/local/sbin/webmaild start" and "/usr/local/share/sqwebmail/cleancache.pl bin" , and after that, run "telnet localhost 143" but returns this error : Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 17:38.10 | Farhadix | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 17:39.26 | Farhadix | this is all of my story :P |
| 17:39.38 | asg | Farhadix: netstat -ntl | grep 143 |
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| 17:41.45 | wols | why did you compile courier manually? |
| 17:41.55 | wols | and IIRC there is no "webmaild" in courier |
| 17:42.24 | Farhadix | sorry, nothing, :D, I will continue this discussion in courier channel, thanks |
| 17:42.43 | Farhadix | wols, for enabling authvchkpw |
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| 17:43.23 | mikefoo | Hey, anyone know of a mail utility that would strip attachements from emails? like .exe .bat etc..? |
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| 17:44.42 | raphi | is there any replacement for update-modules? |
| 17:44.59 | asg | mikefoo: look at the various mime* tools, one of those should work |
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| 17:49.10 | ganes1 | wols:using apt i installed sun-java5-jre..but during installation a lisence agreement details came on terminal and not able to go further..is it the end? |
| 17:49.40 | abrotman | you have to agree to it IIRC |
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| 17:49.56 | hg87 | ganes1: which end? |
| 17:50.17 | ganes1 | hg87:end of installation? |
| 17:50.41 | hg87 | galleon: kill the apt, and restart it. |
| 17:51.13 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 17:53.29 | mikefoo | Anyone use amavisd-new or clamav here? |
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| 17:54.13 | abrotman | mikefoo: ask your real questyion |
| 17:54.15 | wols | !anyone use amavisd-new |
| 17:54.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses amavisd-new, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:54.20 | raphi | what's the replacement of 'update-modules'? |
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| 17:55.25 | guillaume1 | raphi: module-assistant ? |
| 17:55.36 | mikefoo | abrotman: I am looking to a doc on how to instal amavisd-new or clamav, any antivirus.. |
| 17:55.50 | wols | raphi: there is none. why should there be? |
| 17:56.01 | wols | module-init-tools is still part of debian |
| 17:56.21 | tnks_ | I have a third-party app that's doing some script-wrapping to set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but it's not working. Is it possible that interpretation of that env. var. is disabled? |
| 17:56.39 | raphi | I've just tried to copy the modules from one kernel-version to another and it tells me that it can't find it.... |
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| 17:56.59 | wols | raphi: depmod -a |
| 17:57.06 | smacnay | Is jack worth installing over alsa? |
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| 17:57.45 | raphi | wols: thanks!! but it seems now, that I need to compile it new anyway.... FATAL: Error inserting vmnet (/lib/modules/2.6.23.1/misc/vmnet.ko): Invalid module format |
| 17:57.56 | wols | of course you do |
| 17:57.57 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: jackd I assume you mean? Not if your soundcard has a mixer already |
| 17:58.06 | mikefoo | how do I add my postfix to start on boot? they rc,d-config syntax confuses me |
| 17:58.07 | wols | you can't use modules across different kernel versions |
| 17:58.22 | dondelelcaro | mikefoo: if you installed postfix, it should already start at boot |
| 17:58.23 | raphi | wols: ok |
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| 17:58.42 | atula | hello. I dont know if this is off topic... I'm downloading a huge file (5GB) from an ftp server... I'm accessing the server with ftp on the terminal... did a "tick" command... everything went fine... file is about a few MB short ! arggh! if I do another " get filename" will it resume it? if not, how can I? |
| 17:58.43 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: I am trying out an app (LiVES) for video editing and it recommends jack. |
| 17:58.54 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: well, you probably don't need it |
| 17:59.00 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: my sound card already has a mixer if alsa. |
| 17:59.03 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 17:59.19 | guillaume1 | raphi: if you've got the source for your module you can use module-assistant to build new one |
| 17:59.24 | wols | atula: use a ftp client with resume support |
| 17:59.28 | dondelelcaro | atula: if you're using lftp or similar, you can get -c |
| 17:59.35 | dondelelcaro | atula: man lftp; for details |
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| 17:59.52 | raphi | guillaume1: It's the vmware-server networking module, I hope I'll find the sources.. |
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| 18:00.59 | mike1o | if I install xp on a free partition will that write over my existing mbr causing me not to be able to choose to boot my debian system? |
| 18:01.16 | raphi | mike1o: yes it will overwrite |
| 18:02.04 | raphi | mike1o: but you can after that boot your debian-installer cd and type in 'rescue' at the bootline. click through the wizard and start a shell out of your debian-partions |
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| 18:02.37 | AvK | hey |
| 18:02.39 | elenril | how do i forward all incoming traffic from one port to another |
| 18:02.45 | atula | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 18:02.58 | mikefoo | I need to edit start up scripts at boot,m what utility will let me turn on/off scripts at boot? |
| 18:03.00 | raphi | mike1o: from there you can execute 'grub-install /dev/hda' and this will write a new MBR |
| 18:03.10 | mike1o | raphi, ok |
| 18:04.11 | AvK | what IM do you use in USA |
| 18:04.35 | abrotman | elenril: iptables |
| 18:04.43 | abrotman | AvK: same as anywhere else |
| 18:05.02 | elenril | abrotman, i know that, can you be more specific? |
| 18:05.12 | mike1o | raphi, will that pick up my old menu.lst? |
| 18:05.12 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 18:05.13 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 18:05.13 | AvK | abrotman, hmm i use gg |
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| 18:05.55 | AvK | abrotman, and i think there is noone who use it |
| 18:06.03 | raphi | mike1o: yes, that one that's locate in the directory /boot/grub/menu.lst. you can also add a few lines for the windows to allow the dualboot. |
| 18:06.22 | mike1o | raphi, tnx |
| 18:06.30 | abrotman | AvK: how is this a debian question ? |
| 18:06.39 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, if I want to run a script at boot as root, what is more correct? to add it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file or to put in in /etc/init.d/ and associate it to runlevel 2? |
| 18:07.42 | Seb | sup y'all |
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| 18:08.01 | Seb | how does mutt choose the X browser it uses ? Right now it's trying to use mozilla |
| 18:08.11 | Seb | but lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-10-15 09:55 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/konqueror* |
| 18:08.19 | Seb | so it's gotta be using some other alternative |
| 18:08.22 | Seb | right ? |
| 18:08.36 | abrotman | there's also a www-browser IIRC .. |
| 18:08.57 | helo | what do i add/change to exim's config files so that i can send email to foo.com via 'mail'? |
| 18:09.00 | AvK | abrotman, heh i'd just like to know it, this is not hard to say a few letters |
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| 18:09.02 | Seb | abrotman: yeah but this one is used in a text-based context |
| 18:09.15 | helo | it says sending to remote domains not supported... where can i set allowed remote domains to send to? |
| 18:09.15 | AvK | abrotman. isnt it ? |
| 18:09.19 | asg | Seb: /etc/mailcap |
| 18:09.22 | abrotman | it's not related to debian |
| 18:09.28 | Seb | asg: oh |
| 18:09.48 | dan2 | hey asg |
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| 18:09.55 | Seb | asg: thanks a lot ! |
| 18:10.00 | asg | Seb: also, see the mailcap_path config item in the mutt config guide (if you want to create your own) |
| 18:10.03 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 18:10.13 | Seb | asg: gotcha, cool |
| 18:10.21 | dan2 | asg: how you doing? |
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| 18:12.00 | Daemon-- | thinking of buying a dell poweredge server, will i have any problem putting debian etch 4.0 on it? |
| 18:12.02 | umbar | I cast you out, you unclean spirit |
| 18:12.14 | pickcoder | Daemon--: there is a dell installer somewhere on the 'net |
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| 18:12.25 | Daemon-- | great, thanks |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | Daemon--: depends on the hardware inside |
| 18:12.40 | umbar | Daemon: I cast you out, unclean spirit |
| 18:12.42 | pickcoder | !dell |
| 18:12.43 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ or http://linux.dell.com/ |
| 18:12.50 | umbar | the power of christ compels you |
| 18:13.19 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, if I want to run a script at boot as root, what is more correct? to add it in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file or to put in in /etc/init.d/ and associate it to runlevel 2? |
| 18:13.21 | Daemon-- | would you recommend dell for a server? |
| 18:13.24 | gonzaloaf_work | no clues for me? |
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| 18:13.54 | jeward_ | Do I need a special kernel for 4G RAM? |
| 18:14.01 | yoshio | mikefoo: rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:14.07 | umbar | Daemon: I cast you out, unclean spirit |
| 18:14.09 | abrotman | jeward_: which one do you have ? |
| 18:14.11 | abrotman | umbar: stop already |
| 18:14.12 | N`Kr1pt | hi, which command can be used to scan a set of files for a specific keyword? I forgot.... |
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| 18:14.22 | abrotman | N`Kr1pt: grep |
| 18:14.25 | jeward_ | abrotman: linux-image-686 |
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| 18:14.30 | pickcoder | jeward_: the 2.6.18 kernel in Etch supports up to 4GB |
| 18:14.37 | jeward_ | Awesome, thanks. |
| 18:14.39 | abrotman | jeward_: that supports 4GB |
| 18:14.48 | abrotman | only the -486 doesn't |
| 18:15.04 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:15.16 | umbar | Daemon: I cast you out, unclean spirit |
| 18:15.17 | abrotman | what .. no french? |
| 18:15.19 | N`Kr1pt | abrotman, was it possible to scan the content of fiels for a keyword? |
| 18:15.25 | N`Kr1pt | I don't remember :s |
| 18:15.27 | abrotman | umbar: shut up already .. it's not funny at all |
| 18:15.31 | abrotman | N`Kr1pt: man grep |
| 18:15.51 | N`Kr1pt | yup sorry, I'm kinda hurried |
| 18:16.26 | umbar | abrotman: don't support the evil demon |
| 18:16.33 | umbar | Daemon: I cast you out, unclean spirit |
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| 18:17.21 | guillaume1 | can someone explain me the interest of eterm ? |
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| 18:17.34 | abrotman | guillaume1: it's a terminal emulator |
| 18:17.37 | guillaume1 | N`Kr1pt: grep |
| 18:18.03 | N`Kr1pt | yup grep -l should do it |
| 18:18.07 | N`Kr1pt | thx |
| 18:18.18 | umbar | Daemon: I cast you out, unclean spirit |
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| 18:18.30 | abrotman | umbar: stop it .. seriously |
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| 18:19.12 | streuner | abrotman: well, we should get rid of this idiot |
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| 18:20.39 | timewriter | !xgl |
| 18:20.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported |
| 18:21.00 | umbar | dpkg: why? |
| 18:21.01 | dpkg | hy iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See #354622 for more information. Or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 18:21.06 | umbar | dpkg: why |
| 18:21.06 | dpkg | hy iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See #354622 for more information. Or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 18:21.12 | umbar | dpkg: why |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | umbar: do you have a debian question? |
| 18:21.26 | pickcoder | umbar: you are on the verge of bannism |
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| 18:22.22 | umbar | mason verger |
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| 18:22.49 | streuner | Hau ab! |
| 18:22.59 | guillaume1 | abrotman: I try it with compiz fusion but when I call search command, I can enter text.... |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 18:24.02 | guillaume1 | abrotman: oupss :) I can't enter search txt in the search windows of eterm under compiz fusion :) |
| 18:24.04 | timewriter | hi |
| 18:24.16 | timewriter | anyone uses compiz-fusion on etch ? |
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| 18:24.27 | guillaume1 | timewriter: no me under lenny |
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| 18:25.05 | timewriter | do you have any useful tutorials about how to install it ? |
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| 18:25.21 | abrotman | streuner: you can do it too! |
| 18:25.39 | abrotman | !tell timewriter about compiz |
| 18:25.45 | streuner | abrotman: yes, but it wouldnt help much... |
| 18:25.59 | timewriter | already seen it but that domain is not available yet |
| 18:26.10 | guillaume1 | timewriter: shame do a great work for compiz-fusion support under debian : http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/ |
| 18:26.32 | timewriter | thank you |
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| 18:27.45 | umbar | guillaume depardieu |
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| 18:28.11 | abrotman | umbar: do you have anything to say related to debian .. at all? |
| 18:28.17 | umbar | poor abrotman |
| 18:28.23 | timewriter | but thats for compiz |
| 18:28.26 | streuner | !ops umbar is trolling |
| 18:28.26 | ben_goodger | hello |
| 18:28.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: umbar is trolling |
| 18:28.30 | timewriter | i need to install xgl server also |
| 18:28.34 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian |
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| 18:28.49 | timewriter | than i need just compiz ? |
| 18:28.58 | streuner | thanks azeem |
| 18:28.59 | abrotman | timewriter: you have ati or nvidia ? |
| 18:29.02 | timewriter | ati |
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| 18:29.09 | azeem | umbar: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please try to be more productive in the future |
| 18:29.15 | ben_goodger | when running f-spot I get a long series of "cannot connect to the dbus" messages |
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| 18:29.35 | abrotman | more productive? |
| 18:29.49 | elenril | i must be dump i still don't get it |
| 18:29.56 | timewriter | hm |
| 18:30.02 | timewriter | it seems like i installed them lol |
| 18:30.21 | elenril | i need a remote pc to think it's talking to my port 59, but server is running on 5000 |
| 18:30.28 | timewriter | Fatal: Failed test: texture_from_pixmap support |
| 18:30.28 | timewriter | Checks indicate that it's impossible to start compiz on your system. |
| 18:30.29 | timewriter | :( |
| 18:30.36 | mikefoo | Im looking to discard of email that comes in through postfix with a specific header (a high score in spamassassin) Anyone have an idea how I would do this? |
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| 18:31.20 | timewriter | any help ? |
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| 18:34.42 | RichiH | great, timewriter quit a few secs too early |
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| 18:35.33 | streuner | abrotman: no need to cut hairs, just become an OP! |
| 18:35.46 | xingu | hair salons ought to be banned |
| 18:35.51 | abrotman | streuner: uhm .. i can't? |
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| 18:36.02 | Sherl0ck | QUESTION: Im setting up a file server, and i dont want some of the harddrives to run 24/7 does debian turn off harddrives if inactive??? if so commands? |
| 18:36.31 | Ronin | xingu: please dont, i like going to get mine cut, nice scalp and shoulder massage by the hottie |
| 18:36.33 | xingu | Sherl0ck: /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 18:36.33 | bryndza | Hi, i have today updated testing to sid, and now, my arrows keys and del,inserts and such doesn`t work, and after arrow up, ksnapshot is lauched, which is binded to prinntscreen. is there a solution ? |
| 18:36.35 | streuner | abrotman: ask dondelelcaro, its time that you will become an OP, you are spenting the whole day here, so its pretty helpful if you be one... |
| 18:36.49 | Sherl0ck | ok |
| 18:37.04 | MauL^ | I have a domain name, an 24/24 open debian box. When I try to point my debian in the domain console, it asks me for a DNS server. so, is there an already DNS server in debian by default, if so, how can I configure it for it to work? thanks |
| 18:37.21 | abrotman | streuner: maybe you should ask him :) |
| 18:37.51 | streuner | abrotman: nah, i dont feel for an endless discussion ;-) |
| 18:37.57 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 18:38.51 | mikefoo | I need to edit start up scripts at boot,m what utility will let me turn on/off scripts at boot? |
| 18:38.55 | timewriter | compiz wont work |
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| 18:39.09 | xingu | mikefoo: update-rc.d |
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| 18:39.58 | timewriter | there are any changes needed in xorg.conf ? |
| 18:40.06 | timewriter | in order to get compiz work ? |
| 18:40.18 | streuner | did you look at wiki.debian.org? |
| 18:40.20 | streuner | about |
| 18:40.21 | timewriter | i did |
| 18:40.37 | timewriter | no relevant infos |
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| 18:41.17 | atoponce | why is the umask set to 022 by default? doesn't that defeat the purpose of user private groups? |
| 18:41.21 | streuner | ask in a related channel then #compiz or such, specially your videocard is most likely an issue then (if everything configured fine) |
| 18:41.55 | xingu | atoponce: 022 still allows group,world read and execute |
| 18:42.09 | guillaume1 | timewriter: http://sonique54.free.fr/compiz-fusion/compiz-fusion.html |
| 18:42.46 | timewriter | thank you |
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| 18:42.50 | abrotman | RichiH: he's back |
| 18:43.00 | atoponce | xingu: just on dirs. read-only on files |
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| 18:43.40 | xingu | atoponce: entirely depends on what mode the file's created with |
| 18:43.45 | atoponce | which seems silly to me |
| 18:44.04 | atoponce | i guess i'm asking why the umask isn't 002, seeing as though user private groups are in place |
| 18:44.22 | xingu | atoponce: all umask of 022 masks off is group,world write; and that's no bad thing. |
| 18:45.11 | Nyle | simonrvn: ping |
| 18:45.20 | Nyle | !seen simonrvn |
| 18:45.20 | dpkg | simonrvn is currently on #debian #debian-bots, last said: 'no'. |
| 18:45.51 | ben_goodger | heh |
| 18:46.59 | asg | atoponce: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2000/06/msg00214.html |
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| 18:47.07 | timewriter | hm |
| 18:47.16 | timewriter | didnt have the composite enabled |
| 18:48.06 | atoponce | asg: the reasoning behind umask 022 is for man pages? |
| 18:48.21 | asg | atoponce: no, the follow up link has the reasoning. |
| 18:48.33 | ganes1 | not able to access ntfs file system..can any one help? |
| 18:50.08 | atoponce | i don't get it. i have the user private group 'aaron'. if i want collaberation on a file with that group access, with umask 002, i just add the users to the group, and away we go. with 022, i add the users, and change the perms to allow write access. this is annoying |
| 18:50.53 | niklas | ganes1 I probably cannot help you solve this because my Debian experience is very limited, but I can help you by asking you to specify how you cannot access it? Is the problem that it dont automount or do you get some error message when mounting it? Or is it that you dont have any idea how to access it? |
| 18:50.56 | asg | atoponce: and that is a policy decision you are entitled to make for your own systems but not one that Debian feels comfortable making. |
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| 18:51.12 | asg | atoponce: I thought there was another set of reasons also but I'm unable to find them at the moment. |
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| 18:51.41 | atoponce | hmm. seems counter-productive to me |
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| 18:51.51 | possie | is there a way to get which character set a certain website uses? |
| 18:52.10 | Ronin | pardon possie ? |
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| 18:52.18 | atoponce | "we'll give you private user groups, but not the appropriate permissions for collaboration" |
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| 18:52.28 | asg | atoponce: http://osdir.com/ml/debian.devel.policy/2004-09/msg00107.html |
| 18:52.28 | atoponce | "you have to set those yourself" |
| 18:52.35 | possie | Ronin, i would like to know what the default character set is for a certain website |
| 18:52.48 | abrotman | look at the source |
| 18:52.53 | Ronin | possie: source |
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| 18:53.15 | ganes1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.38 | abrotman | !ntfsrw |
| 18:53.38 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
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| 18:58.18 | niklas | ganes1: ok. try ntfs-3g as abrotman advised you to |
| 18:58.29 | ccvp | wtf |
| 18:58.31 | abrotman | i don't advise it at all .. |
| 18:58.32 | ccvp | just got autojoin spam |
| 18:58.35 | abrotman | i just know it exists |
| 18:58.36 | niklas | oh ok :D |
| 18:58.37 | ccvp | (SANDEEP PEHMDAYPEEZ) - Cial15 Tab5 - for $39.99 - Raise it up! Don't think twice before you go!! (SANDEEP PEHMDAYPEEZ) |
| 18:58.39 | ccvp | ??? |
| 18:58.45 | abrotman | from who ? |
| 18:58.53 | Ronin | ccvp: from? |
| 18:58.56 | ccvp | <abrotman> (SANDEEP PEHMDAYPEEZ) - Cial15 Tab5 - for $39.99 - Raise it up! Don't think twice before you go!! (SANDEEP PEHMDAYPEEZ) |
| 18:58.57 | Ronin | damn too slow today |
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| 18:59.00 | ccvp | you infected w/ malware? |
| 18:59.02 | Ronin | ccvp: not from here then |
| 18:59.02 | niklas | but I guess it's the best shot if one would want to access an NTFS partition? |
| 18:59.05 | abrotman | ccvp: i need a username |
| 18:59.22 | abrotman | ccvp: or they aren't in this channel |
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| 18:59.48 | ccvp | abrotman, is your gentoo box troe-jin'd? |
| 18:59.48 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 19:00.14 | ccvp | social engineering is great, humans react randomly |
| 19:00.15 | HardDisk_WP | how do I set up dualhead environment (NVidia 8600 M GT; notebook) |
| 19:00.16 | ccvp | and dynamicaly |
| 19:00.17 | niklas | is there any way to find out your network cards MAC address while you're doing the Debian installation? |
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| 19:00.37 | niklas | I have to know it to set up Internet access for the computer |
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| 19:01.27 | helo | niklas: you can switch to a terminal (alt+f2) and run "ifconfig" |
| 19:01.38 | Akira65 | Hi. I've a question about apt-move and unofficial repository. |
| 19:01.39 | helo | after your network card driver has been loaded |
| 19:01.44 | niklas | ah cool. thank you! |
| 19:01.47 | Akira65 | Can you help me ? |
| 19:03.03 | karmatronic | does vpnc really work ? |
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| 19:04.34 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
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| 19:05.13 | abrotman | hi |
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| 19:08.15 | bryndza | Hmm..nobody with a hint, where to luck, when my arrow keys stoped working after updating to sid ? only in KDE, on gnome work fine |
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| 19:09.35 | MTecknology | how can I set up an NTP server on one computer and an NTP client on another? |
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| 19:10.28 | MTecknology | for the crap of me, I can't get the virtual machine to sync w/ its host - I'll just have it sync every hour... |
| 19:10.34 | ben_goodger | can anyone please help me with f-spot? when I run it, it outputs a perpetual "Starting new FSpot server/ Cant' get a connection to the dbus. Trying again..." error |
| 19:10.45 | ben_goodger | I'm on lenny |
| 19:10.46 | Bushmills | MTecknology: ntp server is also client of the server with which it syncs |
| 19:10.57 | dkr | MTecknology: you use the server on both, you just configure one to make time requests from the other |
| 19:11.03 | MTecknology | o |
| 19:11.11 | Bushmills | MTecknology: as pure client, you may consider to use ntpdate, called periodically, instead, rather than ntp server |
| 19:11.32 | MTecknology | how can I get the host set up first of all? |
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| 19:11.49 | Bushmills | MTecknology: simply edit the ntp config file |
| 19:11.52 | xingu | Bushmills: no, never do that. |
| 19:11.56 | MTecknology | that one doesn't really need to check its own time |
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| 19:12.14 | xingu | !ntpdate |
| 19:12.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
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| 19:12.37 | MauL^ | which DNS server should I install on debian? |
| 19:12.45 | xann | Hi, after "apt-get remove tcl8.4" my system uninstalled tcl succesfully, howver when I do "locate tcl" I still see some core files: for instance "/usr/local/lib/tcl8.4" , "/usr/local/bin/tclsh8.4", etc, how can I properly uninstall these? |
| 19:12.47 | Ronin | MauL^: do you really need one? |
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| 19:13.25 | MauL^ | Ronin, I will host my site on my linux box. must not I ? |
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| 19:14.46 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 19:14.57 | Matic`Makovec | Hello there. Shouldn't the kernel be automatically upgraded when doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 19:15.11 | dondelelcaro | Matic`Makovec: only if you've got a package like linux-2.6 installed |
| 19:15.39 | MTecknology | xingu, so am I not doing anything with the host system, but installing ntp-server on the client and configuring it? |
| 19:16.18 | Matic`Makovec | dondelelcaro, I'll try to see what's up, thanks |
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| 19:16.45 | xingu | MTecknology: there's a bit more to it than that; does your master system have a clock to synchronise to? |
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| 19:17.09 | MTecknology | xingu, it's been reliable enough I'm not worried about it |
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| 19:17.13 | fas3r | i need to create certificat with openssl but it's possible to automatic the task .. if you prefer for skip needed information ( Country Name, Locality Name, etc ) and use argument with the command for just renseign the Common Name ? |
| 19:17.26 | Virtus | Hey, I need some help deleting many directories and sub dirs.. I have downloaded a subversion website template, and there's a .SVN folder in every directory, and deleting them manually would take hours, is there anyway I can use rm to search and delete all teh .SVN folders and their subdirs ? |
| 19:17.34 | mutante | xann: did "updatedb" run in between and is locate really up to date? and then there is --purge option |
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| 19:18.07 | fas3r | i have renseign it in the openssl.cnf but it continu to ask me question .. |
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| 19:19.21 | xingu | MTecknology: ntp won't synchronise to an unregulated clock |
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| 19:19.50 | MTecknology | xingu, k, so I'll need to set up the host first... |
| 19:20.33 | xingu | MTecknology: if your master clock is unregulated, then it's probably best to not synchronise with it; giving one system the phase skew of another is a bad concept regardless of whether or not it results in the label assigned to "the current second" matching |
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| 19:21.37 | bryndza | Whyis everybody ignoring me ? or there is realy nobody with a good answer ? :( |
| 19:21.48 | MTecknology | xingu, the thing is.. the virtual machine will need to be sync'd probably twice a day, I'd like it if it's only synchronizing to its host |
| 19:21.56 | xingu | MTecknology: so what I would suggest is either go buy a gps dongle supported by gpsd and regulate your clock to gps time tick phase on the master, or, synchronise with a public stratum 1/2 source on the master and redistribute that phase locally. |
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| 19:22.05 | jim | Hi all, I would like to install Linux and as I had tried Ubuntu but had issues after with my cdrom (ah well) would debian be a good stable platform to use inorder to learn the basics? |
| 19:22.15 | streuner | !tell bryndza about repeat |
| 19:22.25 | abrotman | bryndza: you could ask #debian-kde |
| 19:22.55 | xingu | MTecknology: clocks should need to be "synchronised once a ..." if the phase is regulated (ie, once the error is learnt) |
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| 19:23.18 | bryndza | abrotman thank you |
| 19:23.20 | MTecknology | xingu, i know, there's some timer issue going ot though |
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| 19:24.07 | xingu | MTecknology: the system clock is perfectly capable of maintaining a syncronised time if you phase-lock it with something reliable like rubidium or caesium crystal. |
| 19:24.09 | rgr | !repeat |
| 19:24.09 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:24.48 | Bushmills | jim: do you expect anybody to say "no, debian isn't" here? |
| 19:25.03 | mythomaniac | is /etc/init.d/ used for startup scripts as well as shut down scripts? |
| 19:25.13 | rgr | jim: if you couldnt get ubuntu working I doubt debian will be better. |
| 19:25.14 | streuner | rgr: /msg dpkg <factoid> would work too... |
| 19:25.25 | streuner | rgr: we know the factoid... |
| 19:25.28 | xingu | MTecknology: the process of estimating the error into the kernel's pll is how you deal with the variance between the vagarities of your software driven world and a reliable time tick |
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| 19:25.33 | nooneelse | someone have a tip or how to of how use TAR to store in splitted files(up to 2GG each) keeping the permissions and 'time' of files? |
| 19:25.36 | MTecknology | jim, i had issues w/ debian once and ubuntu worked and vise versa |
| 19:25.54 | xingu | MTecknology: it's also the reason why ntpdate is a fundamentally bad concept; it really can result in things like interrupts arriving twice, or never. |
| 19:26.06 | rgr | streuner: dpkg is the bot? |
| 19:26.13 | streuner | rgr: sure |
| 19:26.15 | marc7 | xingu: never thought've that |
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| 19:26.43 | console_jockey | I am using LVM to manage two 250GB drives as a single vg using raid-0. What I need to do is reduce the overall size of the vg so that I can free up some space on one or both of the drives. Has anyone had any experience with this? I've all ready reduced the size of my largest lv so there is free space, but I haven't any idea how to reduce the vg... |
| 19:26.45 | MTecknology | xingu, I tried setting ticks in /etc/vmware/config - but it doesn't seem to impact it at all |
| 19:26.52 | xingu | marc7: it's a pet peeve of mine. :) |
| 19:27.07 | jim | Bushmills: lol, see your point, but been with Kubuntu for about 7 months now, and with updates and its latest version not going the way I would like it I thought it may be an idea to have a go with the grandfather system that (I believe) is more robust? |
| 19:27.53 | Bushmills | jim, depends which version you'd use. etch is robust, sid isn't |
| 19:28.13 | Bushmills | lenny is pretty robust |
| 19:28.15 | rgr | jim: it might be heresy to say it but I dont find Debian more stable than ubuntu. More concistent maybe (e.g things that dont work are documented not to work), but really not more stable. |
| 19:28.16 | xingu | MTecknology: so back to the real world; you want to pick a system which has a long interval between reboots and a relatively close-to-metal operating environment; a real kernel, running on the least-worst (in terms of powersaving etc) clock-skewing "features" |
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| 19:28.56 | xingu | MTecknology: once picked, this guy becomes the top of your local stratum; synchronise that guy, preferably using a gps dongle/ gpsd, or, second best, a public ntp server |
| 19:29.21 | xingu | MTecknology: at that point your master has a reliable phase, as well as generally-agreed label applied to its seconds (utc) |
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| 19:30.00 | xingu | MTecknology: then, synchronise your vm's using this, using iburst for rapid convergence, and, minpoll 6 maxpoll 7 or so, to keep a lid on the error |
| 19:30.05 | jim | rgr: Bushmills: I see thanks for the advice, looks like I will just have to work on my missing cdrom on Kubuntu (I have the attention span of a gnat!) Cheers all |
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| 19:30.20 | MTecknology | xingu, how do I do that last one? |
| 19:30.39 | xingu | MTecknology: ntp daemon |
| 19:31.13 | xingu | MTecknology: ntp will synchronise to any other daemon if the acl's permit (restrict keyword) *and* the clock is itself synchronised |
| 19:31.31 | xingu | MTecknology: all you need to do, is list the real hw, as a server |
| 19:31.40 | xingu | MTecknology: ... from within the vm's ntp config. |
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| 19:32.05 | MTecknology | so I'm editing /etc/ntp.conf ? |
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| 19:32.29 | mythomaniac | is /etc/init.d/ used for startup scripts as well as shut down scripts? |
| 19:32.41 | xingu | MTecknology: but if you go and redistributed an *unregulated* timesource (ie, your master system's rtc or os timeofday clock), then ${deity} help you (medicine worse than disease) |
| 19:32.45 | xingu | MTecknology: yes |
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| 19:33.09 | BlueToothz | hi all |
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| 19:33.19 | BlueToothz | i am new to linux, im slowly giving up on windows |
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| 19:33.25 | BlueToothz | how do i tell how much space ihave left |
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| 19:33.27 | BlueToothz | hard drive imean |
| 19:33.30 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: each script in /etc/init.d can do either |
| 19:33.31 | abrotman | BlueToothz: df -h |
| 19:33.36 | BlueToothz | thank you abrotman |
| 19:33.42 | MTecknology | xingu, server 0.atlas iburst ? |
| 19:33.53 | xingu | MTecknology: nb, I wouldn't redistribute a hypervisor's phase into the vm's it hosts, that sounds like a really cunning way to maximise error |
| 19:34.09 | xingu | MTecknology: server ip.ad.dr.es minpoll 6 maxpoll 7 iburst |
| 19:34.19 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: so I really dont ahve to create symbolic links to my own scripts i can just dump them in there? |
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| 19:34.32 | bryndza | If somebody is interested it he messed up keys with new kde, the problem is with xserver-xorg-input-evdev, after removing from the system, everything is ok. |
| 19:34.39 | Matic`Makovec | Hey! The linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 package patches _any_ (read as: OOOLD) kernel to this one or it has to be a newer one. Like .21 or so? |
| 19:34.45 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: if they sit only in init.d, nothing will call them |
| 19:34.53 | xingu | MTecknology: 128s between polls for a vm clocksource is bad enough, the default will widen to 1024s after initial convergence |
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| 19:35.08 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: waht do you mean? |
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| 19:35.17 | xingu | MTecknology: I can guarentee that a vm's time will have pure garbage, phase-wise, 1024s after convergence. |
| 19:35.19 | MTecknology | xingu, we're reinstalling everything eventually, i just need a band aid atm |
| 19:35.40 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: it is not enough to just put the scripts there. they will be called by the start/kill symlinks |
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| 19:35.58 | xingu | MTecknology: either do it well or live with the label you call "now" wandering; doing it *poorly* will lead to spectacular blowups. |
| 19:36.25 | MTecknology | how spectacular? |
| 19:36.27 | MolePrince | Hello. Is anyone here used to using Bluetooth with Debian? I am having a problem where I cannot connect to a device as it cannot get on the D-bus. I've spent hours googling with no solution so far. |
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| 19:36.48 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: where would the best place to put them and also how do i make a symbolic link? |
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| 19:36.56 | xingu | MTecknology: weird acpi bugs; weird graphics bugs; weird interrupt-related bugs. |
| 19:37.03 | CharminTheMoose | question: how do i mirror a copy of the debian etch repos? |
| 19:37.11 | xingu | MTecknology: it'll become a stability problem given sufficient load and time. |
| 19:37.22 | Matic`Makovec | dondelelcaro, so what is the actual name of that package, if maybe you could tell me? |
| 19:37.35 | MTecknology | aight... what's a better way to fix it? |
| 19:37.43 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: update-rc.d is a tool to create and delete them, saves you do create them by hand |
| 19:38.47 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: so run sudo update-rc.d after i put the scripts in the /etc/init.d? |
| 19:38.50 | xingu | MTecknology: as described; pick some real hardware (non-vm, non-hypervisor) to be your master; synchronise to it via gps dongle/gpsd or public ntp stratum 1/2; and synchronise as described to it from the vm's. |
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| 19:39.02 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: the scripts which you put into rc.d must be able to parse the command line, and react to start, stop, reload |
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| 19:39.28 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: man update-rc.d, it needs arguments |
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| 19:39.46 | MTecknology | xingu, so it's not the constant synchronizing that will break it, it's where i'm synching to? |
| 19:39.47 | xingu | MTecknology: you can't control the brainfuck of smm on your master system, but the error introduced by it will be manageable (providing you don't bus-starve it) |
| 19:39.57 | vile_maxim | top |
| 19:41.07 | xingu | MTecknology: the synchronising at that level is correcting your phase error; and yes, that's been made safe to do; what is not safe to do, is setting your timestamp directly |
| 19:41.10 | nvz | uhm.. I told nautilus to make a zip archive of a 2.2GB (so it says) "folder" from a FAT32 drive onto my ext3 /home and I ended up with two randomly named zip files it says are 2G each one it won't open the other opens and says it only contains a few kb yet its taking up 2G |
| 19:41.41 | xingu | MTecknology: the phase error literally speeds up and slows down the number of ticks in a second; seconds get longer or shorter as needed/ described by the pll's operating parameters. |
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| 19:42.02 | MTecknology | xingu, ok, i get ya now :P |
| 19:42.04 | xingu | MTecknology: what doesn't happen, and where it is extremely unsafe to go, is in just plastering a new timestamp |
| 19:42.09 | MTecknology | that's what I've been messing with |
| 19:42.13 | MTecknology | just on the host end |
| 19:42.18 | nvz | I am retrying the create Desktop.zip archive, but I still got 4gb in two incomplete zip files somehow on my drive |
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| 19:42.42 | xingu | MTecknology: the reason to avoid hypervisor -> vm reticulation, is that the vm's are scheduled, and the error in scheduling in part is due to the phase error in the hypervisor's hardware/software stack |
| 19:43.20 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: the scripts are prebuilt from a manpage about /dev/random - I assumed that all i needed to do was put #!bin/sh as the header of the script ;) |
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| 19:43.26 | MTecknology | we have another random server here - fedora 7 oin it |
| 19:43.33 | xingu | MTecknology: so you'd end up magnifying your error rather than converging it to nil |
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| 19:44.32 | kenjy | how can I delete a file called --help ? |
| 19:44.36 | MTecknology | xingu, the hypervisor and client aren't synchronizing the timers anymore |
| 19:44.57 | simonrvn | Nyle: hullo |
| 19:44.58 | dcnoye | kenjy: rm -- --help |
| 19:45.12 | xingu | MTecknology: nb, with a vm, at 1024s between polls, you'd effectively reseed the pll every poll; so net/net, you're back where you started; hence, pull the polling round right back in, lower bound 64s upper bound 128s (minpoll/maxpoll) |
| 19:45.13 | dcnoye | i think |
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| 19:45.55 | riz_ | Does ftp.debian.org has some problem ? |
| 19:47.30 | xingu | MTecknology: both the vm and the hypervisor will only synchronise, to a regulated time source (ntpq -c rv | grep sync) |
| 19:47.55 | nvz | riz_: works for me debian-mirror.mirror.umn.edu (128.101.240.212) |
| 19:48.14 | MTecknology | xingu, assID=0 status=c011 sync_alarm, sync_unspec, 1 event, event_restart, |
| 19:48.27 | xingu | MTecknology: also, "ntpq -c pe" will show your candidate time sources |
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| 19:48.33 | riz_ | nvz: it's two days I can't get nothing from ftp.debian.org (unstable) |
| 19:48.34 | jeff_ | need a little help recovering a linux raid 5. Had 4 devices on the raid... 1 was a hot spare. One of the SATA controllers gave out on me, which handled 2 of the active drives. |
| 19:48.36 | xingu | MTecknology: so presently, you are unsynchronised. |
| 19:49.00 | MTecknology | xingu, how do I sync? |
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| 19:49.23 | jeff_ | Trying to get the raid back up, but is giving me a problem |
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| 19:49.29 | xingu | MTecknology: you need a candidate time source to sync *to*; a public ntp stratum 1/2 source in the case of your master, or your master in the case of your slave systems. |
| 19:49.41 | xingu | MTecknology: or better, gps time for your master. :) |
| 19:50.00 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: so i assume that the start script for random would be update-rc.d <name-of-file> start and also the shutdown would be update-rc.d <name-of-file> stop? |
| 19:50.12 | MTecknology | I was thinking use a public time source for the vm |
| 19:50.17 | nvz | does ext3 have a 2g filesize limit? |
| 19:50.21 | MTecknology | if that's safer |
| 19:50.39 | xingu | MTecknology: that'd work too |
| 19:50.41 | MTecknology | maybe only sync daily |
| 19:50.46 | dondelelcaro | Matic`Makovec: linux-image-2.6-686; or similar |
| 19:50.57 | MTecknology | how do I go about that? |
| 19:50.59 | xingu | MTecknology: no, you need to be constantly adjusting your phase error |
| 19:51.16 | Mr|Dave | I'm trying to figure out which package creates /usr/share/ssl/certs (or if any of them do). Is there any easy way to check? I manually looked at openssl and it doesn't |
| 19:51.19 | riz_ | bye && thanks |
| 19:51.20 | jeff_ | I don't want to flood the channel if no one can help |
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| 19:51.30 | xingu | MTecknology: "daily" - you may as well not bother in a vm; there is hardware out there that has a regular enough tick that daily is sufficient, but your pc isn't one of them. |
| 19:51.39 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: nope, missing the runlevels which which you want to start/stop and the number, determining the order of execution, relativ to other scripts |
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| 19:52.01 | MTecknology | xingu, what would you suggest for frequency? |
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| 19:52.19 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: and a dot, to delimit start and stop parts |
| 19:52.26 | xingu | MTecknology: try server 0.pool.ntp.org minpoll 6 maxpoll 7 iburst (and 1.pool and 2.pool and 3.pool, all 4x of them) |
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| 19:52.50 | Mr|Dave | it doesn't seem to be openssl, libssl0.9.8, ssl-cert, or vsftpd (vsftpd is what i need it for). I don't mind creating it, but I'm not sure if it's supposed to come from a proper package |
| 19:52.51 | drwahl | is there anyway for me (as the admin of my linux box) to see what other users consoles are outputting? kinda like remote desktop, but someone else is logged in (via ssh) and i want to just view what they see |
| 19:53.27 | cahoot | you want the cia version of ssh |
| 19:53.29 | xingu | MTecknology: nb, on your real master system (not your vm), you could probably get away with minpoll 6 maxpoll 9 or so. |
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| 19:54.42 | drwahl | cahoot: does that mean no? :) |
| 19:54.46 | MTecknology | server 0.pool.ntp.org minpoll 6 maxpoll 7 iburst |
| 19:54.49 | streuner | http://elonen.iki.fi/photos/debc5/#spot-097 -- great, every single DD is visible via photo :-) |
| 19:54.50 | MTecknology | 0,1,2,3 |
| 19:55.00 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: are you talkign about in the script or the command of update-rc.d that i gave? |
| 19:55.07 | Azar | drwahl: not sure if linux has a vnc package |
| 19:55.08 | MTecknology | xingu, after saving that, do I need to do anything else? |
| 19:55.35 | drwahl | Azar: i'm sure that it does have a vnc package, but i'm looking just for console loggins |
| 19:55.45 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: from the update-rc.d man page: "update-rc.d [-n] name start|stop NN runlevel [runlevel]... . |
| 19:55.45 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.52 | drwahl | Azar: afaik, vnc is just for X sesions |
| 19:55.56 | Azar | drwahl: to see who is logged in? |
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| 19:55.57 | xingu | MTecknology: invoke-rc.d ntp restart |
| 19:56.04 | DeFirence | lo all |
| 19:56.11 | drwahl | Azar: to see what their console is displaying |
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| 19:56.19 | nameless | help, the audio is dead |
| 19:56.20 | DeFirence | i need help to quickly setup sshd on debian |
| 19:56.22 | nameless | :O |
| 19:56.23 | techouse | is there any backup application that could clone my debian partition? |
| 19:56.40 | sjordal | techouse, if you want to clone the whole partition you could use dd |
| 19:56.48 | sjordal | or rsync |
| 19:56.54 | DeFirence | i think i mite need to apt-get it, i just dont know whats its name :S |
| 19:57.20 | simonrvn | !tell DeFirence -about search |
| 19:57.31 | techouse | damn...if only i could make a live DVD of my setup :) |
| 19:57.34 | simonrvn | and it's "might". "mite" is a bug |
| 19:57.39 | Azar | drwahl: I do not know about that but you could see their files and what programs they can use |
| 19:57.40 | DeFirence | simonrvn, i know about apt-cache search |
| 19:57.47 | DeFirence | and i tried |
| 19:57.50 | simonrvn | so use it |
| 19:57.53 | Bushmills | techouse: there exists a tool to do exactly that |
| 19:57.54 | DeFirence | but i dont know what im looking for |
| 19:57.56 | DeFirence | *sigh* |
| 19:58.01 | techouse | intellibuild? |
| 19:58.03 | MTecknology | xingu, what do i do from there? |
| 19:58.04 | Bushmills | techouse: but i forgot its name :) |
| 19:58.13 | simonrvn | DeFirence: think of keywords |
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| 19:58.17 | techouse | iBuild |
| 19:58.21 | DeFirence | i did i base install and then apt-get kde and a few other things |
| 19:58.25 | xingu | MTecknology: wait for the clock to sync per ntp -c pe |
| 19:58.31 | sjordal | apt-get search ssh |
| 19:58.33 | techouse | but i can't donwnload it cause of some internal server error |
| 19:58.33 | DeFirence | simonrvn, u dont like helping people do u :/ |
| 19:58.36 | simonrvn | DeFirence: consider using aptitude instead |
| 19:58.38 | sjordal | DeFirence, that'll show you |
| 19:58.39 | DeFirence | sjordal i did |
| 19:58.51 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: ok the NN is the two-digit sequence number that determines where in the sequence init will run & runlevel i understand that to be the numbered rc directories - but what do both of them mean? |
| 19:58.52 | DeFirence | !sshd |
| 19:59.19 | sjordal | DeFirence, i forget what it is on debian systems |
| 19:59.20 | simonrvn | DeFirence: apt-cache show openssh-server ssh | less |
| 19:59.23 | MTecknology | xingu, what's the minpoll and maxpoll for? |
| 19:59.25 | sjordal | could be openssh-server |
| 19:59.29 | xingu | MTecknology: might take up to 10m or so; keep an eye on reach, it should be incrementing |
| 19:59.38 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: i guess what I am asking is why should i care about them and that is their importance? |
| 19:59.49 | xingu | MTecknology: bounds the interval between polls; min=2^6 max=2^7 |
| 19:59.49 | Bushmills | a script with num 60 will run after a script with 40, when switching runlevels |
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| 20:00.01 | sjordal | anyone any idea why user-setup-udeb is complaining about /target/etc/passwd not existing ? |
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| 20:00.13 | xingu | MTecknology: that's about as coarse as you'd ever realistically want to be, for a vm |
| 20:00.25 | DeFirence | but is openssh-server the right thing? |
| 20:00.30 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: therefore this num gives you control before and after which other scripts your script should be executed |
| 20:00.31 | DeFirence | im used to using sshd in suse :/ |
| 20:00.58 | MTecknology | how do I see that reach you were talking about? |
| 20:01.02 | sjordal | DeFirence, yes |
| 20:01.04 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: ls /etc/rc3.d , there are the scripts for runlevel 3 |
| 20:01.08 | Bushmills | just have a look |
| 20:01.32 | simonrvn | DeFirence: apt-cache show openssh-server ssh | less |
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| 20:01.45 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: ok but since this is a seeding script for /dev/random it shouldnt matter if it was the last script to be issused from the ssytem? |
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| 20:02.25 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: whether it matters or not, the system still needs to decide when to run it,. |
| 20:02.29 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: yes about runlevels - what does that mean - a runlevel? |
| 20:02.36 | sjordal | it installs the sshd binary |
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| 20:02.50 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: true so how do i find out all the NN's for the scripts that i have now? |
| 20:02.54 | MTecknology | xingu, i'm restarting the host b/c the config was changed |
| 20:03.10 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: i think there are some written docs about runlevels around, no need for me to retype their contents |
| 20:03.34 | MTecknology | xingu, but it did just magically start ticking fater, it went from 20min behind, to about 5 min ahead |
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| 20:05.01 | MTecknology | it's about 45 min behind after i restarted |
| 20:05.56 | loXx | is there a way of deinstalling evolution without removing gnome? |
| 20:06.04 | DeFirence | ok |
| 20:06.06 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: heh you are right on that one - ok so runlevel is Runlevel 0 is where all the scripts go for shutting down the system? |
| 20:06.06 | hg87 | MTecknology: low numbers start before the high numbers in the runlevels. |
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| 20:06.16 | Bushmills | mythomaniac: maybe this helps? zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 20:06.19 | DeFirence | well i installed ssh which included openssh-server |
| 20:06.33 | MTecknology | hg87, right... |
| 20:06.37 | hg87 | MTecknology: it's just to sort the start/stop (S/K) |
| 20:06.41 | rhs | I suppose you won't help me with ubuntu |
| 20:06.53 | hg87 | rhs: you're right! ;) |
| 20:06.57 | DeFirence | and it worked :) |
| 20:06.57 | rhs | ok |
| 20:07.01 | MTecknology | rhs, what's your question? |
| 20:07.19 | rhs | texlive doesn't configure properly |
| 20:07.29 | rhs | /usr/bin/ucf: line 351: getopt: command not found |
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| 20:07.45 | MTecknology | rhs, /join #ubuntu |
| 20:08.00 | hg87 | rhs: have a look at packages.ubuntu.com and install the needed thin. |
| 20:08.01 | hg87 | g |
| 20:08.02 | rhs | i know, there's too much people there |
| 20:08.13 | rhs | no ones answers me |
| 20:08.34 | rhs | kthxbye |
| 20:08.36 | hg87 | rhs: you'Ve the answer. |
| 20:08.42 | MTecknology | rhs, are you an english speaker by native? |
| 20:08.47 | sjordal | anyone any idea why user-setup-udeb is complaining about /target/etc/passwd not existing ? |
| 20:08.52 | rhs | MTecknology: no, I'm french |
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| 20:09.11 | MTecknology | rhs, kk - just curious |
| 20:09.22 | rhs | have a nice day/night |
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| 20:09.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I bridge wlan0 to eth0? |
| 20:09.50 | HardDisk_WP | so eth0 is connected to router |
| 20:09.55 | HardDisk_WP | wlan0 should act as AP |
| 20:10.13 | hg87 | HardDisk_WP: look at google, but should be easy. |
| 20:10.16 | HardDisk_WP | and it should pass everything what comes into wlan0 straight to eth0 |
| 20:10.18 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 20:10.30 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: so if i am reading this right /etc/rcS.d is the startup scripts & /etc/rc6.d/ is shutdown scripts? |
| 20:10.48 | hg87 | HardDisk_WP: that works without problems, but i've that just activated on wive wich is not debian. |
| 20:11.11 | hg87 | HardDisk_WP: and i think this is just kernel sided. |
| 20:11.19 | MTecknology | If I did shutdown -F now, how long should I estimate that taking... |
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| 20:11.24 | MTecknology | for a 250G HD |
| 20:11.42 | HardDisk_WP | hg87, i'd also be glad for instructions for eth1=>eth0 tunnel |
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| 20:12.17 | hg87 | HardDisk_WP: have a look on the bridge-utils |
| 20:12.20 | Eulex | MTecknology, few minutes, also depends on the fs and how full the disk actually is.. |
| 20:12.23 | jasonlife | What doese "ii", "un" and "pn" mean for dpkg -l command? |
| 20:12.45 | jasonlife | I know it is status of package.. |
| 20:12.50 | Eulex | MTecknology, also depends on the amount of files I believe (as opposed to the total size of them) |
| 20:13.49 | fas3r | how to automatise geration of certificat with openssl ? |
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| 20:15.44 | fas3r | is it possible ? i have test with echo -e "arg1\nArg2\n...." | openssl .... but it's don"t work ... :s |
| 20:15.55 | \amethyst | fas3r: perhaps make-ssl-cert from the ssl-cert package |
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| 20:16.56 | f | hi VIRUS785 |
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| 20:17.10 | fas3r | \amethyst: the problem is i need to execute it on php .. |
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| 20:18.04 | fengor | fas3r: i'm pretty sure php offers possibilities to run command line programs from inside a script |
| 20:18.43 | fujin | Anyone a hand-rolled deb expert? I'm trying to backport a version of puppet to my current running distro, coming up with a few issues.. |
| 20:18.44 | fujin | http://rafb.net/p/17pcSq29.html |
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| 20:18.59 | fujin | if I install it with dpkg -i obviously it works, but apt-get puppet won't overwrite the one in the official repo's.. cant' see any reason for it |
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| 20:19.04 | mythomaniac | Bushmills: so from this then the command for the startup script for random would be: update-rc.d <name-of-file> start 100 /rcS.d? |
| 20:19.10 | fujin | please happily ignore the ubuntu in there ;[ |
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| 20:19.32 | edison04 | Help what is the best way to record the number of click used by the mouse during an Xwindow session and show the result in a txt file ? |
| 20:19.53 | sjordal_ | fujin, did you update the version number in debian/changelog ? |
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| 20:20.59 | VIRUS785 | hi giz! how are you doing? |
| 20:21.00 | dpkg | VIRUS785: mas o menos |
| 20:21.11 | fujin | sjordal_: I used 'prevu' to build the package from debian's .dsc file - here's a diff on the control files (from ar x blah.deb) http://rafb.net/p/hkRJx083.html |
| 20:21.36 | sjordal_ | fujin, apt-get puppet won't work - apt-get will only fetch packets from the repos that it knows about from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:21.54 | fujin | The repo is in /etc/apt/soruces.list, It's my own repository on another local machine |
| 20:22.06 | fujin | that's why apt-get update && apt-cache show puppet shows the newer version |
| 20:22.10 | fujin | I just can't work out why it won't install it. |
| 20:22.11 | sjordal_ | ah |
| 20:22.18 | \amethyst | fujin: man apt_preferences |
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| 20:23.00 | nameless | help, the audio doesn't work |
| 20:23.01 | nameless | :( |
| 20:23.29 | fujin | \amethyst: are you implying I should 'pin' puppet, with the highest priority? |
| 20:23.31 | giz | nameless: have you tryed alsaconf ?? |
| 20:23.46 | nameless | many times |
| 20:23.46 | Kevin` | md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 20:23.46 | Kevin` | The Flash plugin is NOT installed. |
| 20:23.50 | Kevin` | what can I do about this? |
| 20:23.57 | fujin | Oh god. I'm a retard. just realised I had played with /etc/apt/preferences re: puppet before. |
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| 20:24.01 | fujin | Sorry guys :) |
| 20:24.11 | MTecknology | xingu, It looks like it's working. Thanks for the help - hopefully it's a good enough band aid |
| 20:24.12 | Kevin` | (for apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree) |
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| 20:25.32 | nameless | for example |
| 20:25.35 | \amethyst | Kevin`: it sounds like, wait until the debian package has been updated to match the upgraded version on adobe's site |
| 20:25.38 | nameless | xmms don't play |
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| 20:25.46 | nameless | *doesn't |
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| 20:26.19 | giz | nameless: open a terminal and type su put in the root password and then type alsaconf to configure audio drivers |
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| 20:26.49 | nameless | .... |
| 20:26.56 | nameless | i've done it 4 times |
| 20:27.02 | pumpkin0 | I'm searching for userland RAID0 or JBOD. It's about size, not speed. ideas ? |
| 20:27.36 | Kevin` | pumpkin0 why userland? |
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| 20:27.52 | Airbottl1 | how can i check my uptime for my pc? |
| 20:28.06 | Mr-R | Airbottl1: "uptime"? :) |
| 20:28.09 | pumpkin0 | Kevin`: it's a embedded board and changing the kernel or even building a modules takes ages. |
| 20:28.10 | Kevin` | pumpkin0 (instead of the MD raid in kernel) |
| 20:28.15 | Kevin` | ah |
| 20:28.17 | giz | nameless: wot does it say then |
| 20:28.34 | nameless | ? |
| 20:28.34 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 20:28.35 | giz | nameless: do you get an error message? |
| 20:28.42 | Airbottl1 | ah ok Mr-R, thx |
| 20:29.19 | nameless | Loading driver... |
| 20:29.20 | nameless | Setting default volumes... |
| 20:29.20 | nameless | amixer: Invalid command! |
| 20:29.29 | pumpkin0 | nameless: does xmms show it is playing (counting the seconds...) ? |
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| 20:29.46 | nameless | no pumpkin0, that's the problem |
| 20:29.47 | nameless | :| |
| 20:30.16 | nameless | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.17 | nameless | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.38 | nameless | seems all ok |
| 20:30.42 | giz | nameless: is amixer installed?? |
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| 20:31.01 | nameless | amixer = alsamixer ? |
| 20:31.11 | giz | yes |
| 20:31.14 | nameless | sure |
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| 20:31.35 | giz | nameless: do you get an error when running it? |
| 20:31.41 | nameless | no |
| 20:32.02 | \amethyst | Kevin`: according to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432755 (if this is etch) you need to add a source for proposed-updates |
| 20:32.11 | \amethyst | or wait until the next point release |
| 20:32.18 | Kevin` | thanks \amethyst |
| 20:32.39 | giz | nameless: so everything looks ok but just no sound when using media player? |
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| 20:33.05 | nameless | exatly |
| 20:33.21 | giz | nameless: wots the sound card? |
| 20:33.37 | nameless | 00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 20:33.40 | nameless | 5.1 |
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| 20:34.20 | nameless | i was listening music |
| 20:34.38 | nameless | i attached the headphone to the pc |
| 20:34.50 | nameless | and boom, the sound was killed |
| 20:35.21 | giz | nameless: so it worked with speakers then not with headphones? |
| 20:35.35 | pumpkin0 | OK, i will compile the modules. etch => mdadm, right ? |
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| 20:36.06 | nameless | giz, now don't work woth both |
| 20:36.09 | nameless | *with |
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| 20:37.20 | giz | nameless: but worked before the headphones with the speakers yes? or never at all? |
| 20:37.39 | nameless | before the headphones yes |
| 20:37.51 | \amethyst | :v/string/ d |
| 20:37.55 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 20:42.44 | nameless | giz: strange thing? |
| 20:42.54 | giz | nameless: thats weird not sure wot to tell you to try now |
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| 20:43.42 | giz | nameless: i think i would try another sound card? sounds like a hardware thing to me but i could be wrong |
| 20:43.44 | nameless | it's impossible that i've broken the sound cart |
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| 20:44.16 | nameless | in this case xmms can play sound but i can't listen it |
| 20:44.17 | nameless | or not ? |
| 20:44.21 | MauL^ | which Mail Transport Agent does debian propose to its users? |
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| 20:45.11 | fujin | I believe the default is exim |
| 20:45.14 | fujin | I'd propose Postfix, though; |
| 20:45.41 | giz | nameless: i cant see how changing from working speakers to headphones can stop it from working maybe someone else here can help but iam stumped thats just wot i would try |
| 20:46.23 | nameless | :\ |
| 20:48.22 | MauL^ | fujin, ok thanks |
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| 20:49.14 | fujin | I've always found Postfix to be not ridiculous, like puppet vs. cfengine |
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| 20:52.31 | ilona | hi all |
| 20:52.41 | ilona | i installed debian with lilo, but have changed to grub in the meantime |
| 20:52.49 | alakx | how can i check what processor i have ? |
| 20:53.01 | ilona | i just upgraded the kernel and the automagic grub update did not run |
| 20:53.12 | ilona | how do i tell debian to use grub, not lilo, any more? |
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| 20:53.39 | thechef | alakx: on the console with: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:54.02 | thechef | ilona: i guess you just have to install grub to the master boot record |
| 20:54.23 | ilona | thechef, grub is running |
| 20:54.36 | ilona | i just want the grub hooks in the package to be executed |
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| 20:55.02 | thechef | oh |
| 20:55.33 | ilona | it tries to update the lilo.conf, not menu.lst |
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| 20:56.54 | thechef | I'd remove lilo |
| 20:57.10 | alakx | ty |
| 20:57.19 | alakx | where can change the system language ? |
| 20:57.23 | alakx | From german to english |
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| 20:59.08 | sontek | hey, do you guys know how debian setup apache to be able to load modules from a directory instead of defining every module in httpd.conf? |
| 20:59.09 | ilona | thechef, i will try |
| 20:59.20 | sontek | I'm in fedora but I loved how debian did its apache config |
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| 20:59.37 | militant | hi guys. got a spiffy new laptop, bout to put etch on it. just wondering if there's anything i should know about doing it on my first dual-core etc etc |
| 20:59.40 | militant | it's an HP |
| 20:59.47 | ilona | sontek, copy the loadup scripts and adapt them accordingly |
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| 21:00.08 | sontek | ilona: I don't have a debian box right now |
| 21:00.09 | poe-t | hi! as #malayalam is empty Id like to ask here if anyone could use malayalam input in firefox w/o it crashinh xorg in etch? |
| 21:00.13 | sontek | ilona: I was running it in a vps |
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| 21:00.23 | \amethyst | sontek: apache2.conf has Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load |
| 21:00.28 | ilona | sontek, grab the apache2 package from packages,.debian.org |
| 21:00.36 | ilona | or that |
| 21:00.37 | \amethyst | sontek: likewise Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf |
| 21:00.55 | sontek | \amethyst: and then the .load file just has the LoadModule stuff inside it? |
| 21:01.08 | sontek | \amethyst: thanks, =) |
| 21:01.43 | \amethyst | sontek: yes. the scripts a2enmod a2dismod create/delete symlinks from mods-enabled to the mods-available directory where the files actually reside |
| 21:02.10 | ilona | thechef, no go |
| 21:02.12 | \amethyst | sontek: there's something similar for sites (a2ensite/a2dissite, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/, etc) |
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| 21:02.59 | eddie | hey all. Is there a 64bit install cd for debian for intel chipset |
| 21:03.00 | eddie | ? |
| 21:03.34 | ilona | eddie, do you mean itanium? |
| 21:03.39 | fujin | eddie: the amd64 disk will work on em64t |
| 21:03.41 | fujin | afaicr |
| 21:04.09 | eddie | fujin: IE a intel quad core. |
| 21:04.35 | \amethyst | eddie: amd64 sounds like what you want, if you want a 64-bit userspace |
| 21:04.51 | fujin | eddie: yeah, amd64; |
| 21:04.54 | fujin | they're compatible. |
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| 21:05.07 | eddie | amd64? |
| 21:05.10 | fujin | Indeed. |
| 21:05.16 | eddie | not ia64? |
| 21:05.21 | \amethyst | ia64 is itanium |
| 21:05.21 | fujin | No, that's itanium. |
| 21:05.28 | eddie | Gotcha |
| 21:05.29 | fujin | Pre amd64/em64t. |
| 21:05.46 | fujin | I assume the quad-core you have isn't an early Xeon (which *may* have been ia64) |
| 21:05.55 | fujin | and is more likely a c2d qx6700~? |
| 21:06.07 | fujin | qx6x00 |
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| 21:07.04 | \amethyst | Xeon has always been x86 or x86-64 AFAIK |
| 21:07.25 | fujin | Oh; |
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| 21:07.59 | fujin | Where the hell did ia64 fit in, then. I thought the early-midrange xeons were all ia64 (pre em64t) |
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| 21:08.24 | mikefoo | I need to edit start up scripts at boot,m what utility will let me turn on/off scripts at boot? |
| 21:08.27 | eddie | thanks guys. |
| 21:08.35 | eddie | so the xeon will work with 64bit? |
| 21:08.41 | eddie | amd64 correcT? |
| 21:08.44 | fujin | yes |
| 21:08.46 | eddie | THANKS! |
| 21:08.49 | eddie | double checking. |
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| 21:09.11 | \amethyst | fujin: IA64 is used in some high-end server systems and supercomputers |
| 21:09.21 | \amethyst | fujin: it's never done really well |
| 21:09.37 | dserban | I'm trying to get back into the virtualization stuff in linux. Can someone point me to the differences advantages/disadvantages between lguest/uml/kvm/xen... ie. is there some sort of discussion I can read about on the topic? |
| 21:10.04 | fujin | vmware server worked great here until we got our vmware esx platform |
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| 21:10.10 | fujin | I assume that's a little out of your budget, though ;) |
| 21:10.45 | dserban | Yeah, for personal testing indeed. Though I may introduce it as some sort of backup/failover thing for our back-end servers. |
| 21:11.41 | \amethyst | dserban: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines might be useful |
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| 21:11.53 | \amethyst | dserban: actually, maybe not |
| 21:12.07 | \amethyst | dserban: the table isn't as detailed as I had hoped it would be |
| 21:13.35 | eddie | one question |
| 21:13.46 | eddie | IS the auto install still the samethign? |
| 21:14.10 | mikefoo | Whats the diff between vmware server and player? |
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| 21:17.23 | dserban | \amethyst, thanks I'll read it over anyway ;) |
| 21:17.27 | dserban | \\amethyst, thanks I'll read it over anyway ;) |
| 21:17.30 | dserban | err heh |
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| 21:19.12 | smacnay | anyone know what /usr/bin/smogrify is? |
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| 21:19.51 | fujin | Mogrify can do cool stuff to images iirc. |
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| 21:21.02 | Tarkus | when installing debian does it giv you the option to install gnome, xfce, or kde? |
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| 21:24.10 | wols | Tarkus: depends on the installer you use. but you can always install any of the 3 |
| 21:24.26 | z0ran | constantly i have update for same kernel i have, but when i try to update shows error, is it ok to ignore that update or....thanks |
| 21:24.28 | wols | !install kde |
| 21:24.29 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:24.34 | DeFirence | guys, im trying to find out if theres a way to "port forward" but in such a way that if i goto url:80 it will goto url:8000 for example... ive tried searching google but i dunno quite what to look for |
| 21:24.45 | wols | !tell z0ran about errors |
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| 21:24.59 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there a program available that will warn the user if free disk space reaches below ie. 25 MB ? |
| 21:25.03 | wols | DeFirence: yes there is. iptables for example |
| 21:25.18 | DeFirence | !iptables |
| 21:25.19 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 21:25.22 | mikefoo | I need to edit start up scripts at boot, what utility will let me turn on/off scripts at boot? |
| 21:25.35 | niniws_ | when i start tftpd-hpa i get "Starting HPA's tftpd: in.tftpd" but i do not see it in a ps. can someone help me? |
| 21:25.40 | abrotman | mikefoo: update-rc.d |
| 21:25.48 | DeFirence | thanks wols, ill look into that :) |
| 21:25.51 | abrotman | niniws_: doesn't that run from inetd? |
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| 21:26.05 | z0ran | thanks wols |
| 21:26.08 | mikefoo | abrotman: the syntax confuses me, could you give me a sample? |
| 21:26.11 | niniws_ | abr thats what i would think with the "in.tftpf" |
| 21:26.22 | mikefoo | to just turn on say postfix for the default run levels.. |
| 21:26.24 | niniws_ | abrotman: thats what i would think with the "in.tftpf" but a connection to it fails |
| 21:26.31 | wols | minerale: netstat -anp |grep 69 |grep UDP |
| 21:26.31 | abrotman | mikefoo: read the man page .. they have examples |
| 21:26.42 | abrotman | niniws_: checkt eh logs |
| 21:26.45 | niniws_ | wols: checked that too, nothing shows |
| 21:26.47 | wols | niniws_: netstat -anp |grep 69 |grep UDP |
| 21:26.53 | wols | then nothing runs |
| 21:27.10 | wols | minerale: aptitude install postfix and it's "turned on" |
| 21:27.18 | \amethyst | wols: that won't find anything |
| 21:27.23 | niniws_ | abrotman: i see now logs in /var/log, is it somewhere else? |
| 21:27.28 | \amethyst | wols: at least not with my version of netstat |
| 21:27.35 | Tarkus | does debian have polished, re-done versions of gnome/xfce?? or is it like the default environment? |
| 21:27.40 | wols | amphi: netstat -anp |grep 69 |grep udp |
| 21:27.43 | wols | ameyer: |
| 21:27.46 | abrotman | mikefoo: how did you install postfix ? |
| 21:27.47 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 21:27.49 | wols | udp is lower case in the output |
| 21:28.44 | mikefoo | abrotman: no its already started on boot, I need to start others and remove sendmail. |
| 21:28.54 | mikefoo | I dont understand the syntax... from reading man page. |
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| 21:29.00 | hikenboot | greetings all---is deboostrap supposed to install anything into the /proc directory i am getting /proc/cmdline: no such file or direcotry when dong update-initramfs -u All |
| 21:29.02 | abrotman | if you install postfix .. it should remove sendmail |
| 21:29.02 | wols | mikefoo: if you installed postfix, there is no sendmail |
| 21:29.10 | abrotman | unless you installed sendmail from source |
| 21:29.13 | alakx | How can i change system language ? |
| 21:29.15 | hikenboot | from the chroot |
| 21:29.16 | mikefoo | no, there is sendmail. |
| 21:29.19 | alakx | I tried |
| 21:29.20 | alakx | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:29.20 | abrotman | no there isn't |
| 21:29.22 | abrotman | sendmail is gone |
| 21:29.26 | alakx | But still no effect |
| 21:29.34 | wols | mikefoo: where exactly do you think is your sendmail? |
| 21:29.47 | niniws_ | wols: actually i do see :69 in the netstat grep |
| 21:29.49 | \amethyst | ((y = x << 4)) |
| 21:29.52 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:29.56 | mikefoo | . /etc/init.d/sendmail |
| 21:30.05 | techouse | over 10000 files in the source file of kopete?! aaaaaa |
| 21:30.08 | eddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.09 | abrotman | mikefoo: dpkg -P sendmail |
| 21:30.11 | wols | mikefoo: that's not started at all |
| 21:30.12 | wols | !runlevel |
| 21:30.13 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 21:30.31 | abrotman | wols: that's not going to make sense to him |
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| 21:30.37 | mikefoo | when I restart networking, sendmail errors also.. |
| 21:30.42 | alakx | anyone ? |
| 21:30.46 | wols | !tell mikefoo about errors |
| 21:30.50 | abrotman | alakx: done the reboot thingie ? |
| 21:30.50 | wols | alakx: env |grep LANG |
| 21:31.03 | abrotman | cat /etc/environment |
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| 21:31.40 | mikefoo | S21sendmail -> ../init.d/sendmail |
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| 21:31.48 | abrotman | dpkg -P sendmail |
| 21:31.54 | Tarkus | does debian have a polished, re-done versions of gnome/xfce?? or is it like the untouched default environment? |
| 21:32.08 | wols | !tell Tarkus abour repeat |
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| 21:32.16 | rahul | if they're so good, why do they need to be re-done? |
| 21:32.18 | abrotman | Tarkus: what you get is what you get |
| 21:32.30 | rahul | why can't you configure them how you want them? |
| 21:32.34 | DeFirence | wols, is there any other way other then iptables? |
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| 21:32.55 | wols | DeFirence: ssh portforwarding, a proxy, etc |
| 21:33.05 | DeFirence | ok |
| 21:33.20 | DeFirence | which would u say is the easiest to setup |
| 21:33.35 | nameless | giz |
| 21:33.43 | nameless | it was easy |
| 21:33.58 | nameless | simply i rebooted the pc |
| 21:34.04 | nameless | oO |
| 21:34.15 | z0ran | my debian etch have 2.6.18-5-k7 kernel, and i get update over synaptic package manager for the same kernel, when i try to update, that same kernel i get this message "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4_i386.deb: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" now, is it ok to ignore that update, or i can do something about it, thanks in advance! |
| 21:34.18 | wols | DeFirence: telling the daemon to listen on antoher port |
| 21:34.26 | DeFirence | lol |
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| 21:34.38 | jakub_ | ehm |
| 21:34.40 | jakub_ | i`m going back to debian |
| 21:34.44 | wols | z0ran: do you have free space in /var/cache/apt ? |
| 21:34.54 | jakub_ | I had problem now with my system - ubuntu does not have anything such as "RESCUE" |
| 21:34.56 | DeFirence | what i actually want to do, somehow,.. ok i havnt thought this through :P |
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| 21:36.08 | militant | wow. i'm installing etch on the laptop i got today. i'm not used to this sort of speed. |
| 21:36.31 | DeFirence | what i want to do is make 2 dns alias's ie url1.domain.com and url2.domain.com and then have the one's port 80 goto port 8000 on the debian box and the other ones port 80 goto port 8080 |
| 21:36.59 | wols | DeFirence: why? |
| 21:37.10 | sam_ | i have a drive that the manafactuer named My Book (with a space) i have the drive mounted but what is the path? I have tried /media/My%Book anything else i can try |
| 21:37.30 | wols | sam_: /media/My\ Book/ |
| 21:37.36 | DeFirence | so that users can type http://bb.domain.com instead of http://www.domain.com:8000 |
| 21:37.38 | abrotman | stupid western digital |
| 21:37.43 | sam_ | thanks |
| 21:37.48 | abrotman | virtual hosts! |
| 21:37.50 | DeFirence | it must be possible tho wols? |
| 21:37.55 | wols | DeFirence: why do you need to have i on two different ports? |
| 21:38.03 | wols | why not use simply virtual hosting with apache? |
| 21:38.04 | Jemt | Is there some way I can receive a warning if free disk space reaches below 10 MB ? |
| 21:38.09 | Jemt | Using Gnome |
| 21:38.19 | DeFirence | they need to be on different ports |
| 21:38.23 | DeFirence | they arnt webservers |
| 21:38.23 | wols | DeFirence: why? |
| 21:38.26 | DeFirence | they are streams |
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| 21:38.57 | wols | and both domains are the same IP? |
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| 21:39.20 | DeFirence | boths streams are on the same debian box, on 2 diff ports |
| 21:40.07 | sam_ | Wols i tried that but still no joy.. |
| 21:40.20 | abrotman | use smbclient to list the shares |
| 21:40.22 | wols | DeFirence: not possibly unless the streaming software has features like apache's virtual hosting |
| 21:40.38 | DeFirence | :o |
| 21:40.39 | wols | sam_: run "mount" |
| 21:40.51 | BlueToothz | what is this |
| 21:40.53 | BlueToothz | checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it |
| 21:40.53 | BlueToothz | is in your PATH or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable to the full |
| 21:40.53 | BlueToothz | path to pkg-config. |
| 21:41.10 | wols | !tell BlueToothz about search |
| 21:41.12 | DeFirence | it must be possible to somehow forward the domain alias's to different ports :/ |
| 21:41.59 | sam_ | /dev/sdb1 on /media/My Book type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree) |
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| 21:42.17 | zoredache | is there anyway to use apt-cache or something to show all packages tagged as Important? |
| 21:42.19 | BlueToothz | wols i know about aptitude |
| 21:42.25 | BlueToothz | why did you tell me this |
| 21:42.32 | wols | sure it is. but: you want both streams on the same port same IP. this can only work when the application protocol (like http) allows it |
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| 21:42.47 | wols | BlueToothz: if you knew you wouldn't have asked what you asked |
| 21:42.59 | wols | BlueToothz: and it's not about aptitude. what you want can't be done with aptitude |
| 21:43.06 | man_in_shack | anyone here have instructions on how to configure a debian box to be a router? :) |
| 21:43.14 | wols | man_in_shack: nat? |
| 21:43.32 | abrotman | zoredache: maybe dpkg-query? |
| 21:43.38 | hg87 | man_in_shack: nat is really simple, have a look at netfilter.org |
| 21:43.51 | DeFirence | i want them on the same ip but different ports, like they are now, which works fine, but i want seperate domain alias's to port forward |
| 21:43.53 | wols | hg87: there is a simpler way |
| 21:43.54 | DeFirence | *sigh* |
| 21:44.02 | DeFirence | i suppose it isnt possible |
| 21:44.09 | abrotman | isn't this what #iptables is for? :) |
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| 21:44.10 | hg87 | man_in_shack: to realise nat you just need two iptables commands. |
| 21:44.16 | hg87 | Wolfete: which one? |
| 21:44.24 | maddash | can I kill off localization-config package? |
| 21:44.30 | wols | DeFirence: no you want them on the SAME port. since you want users to connect to port80 both and depending on which domainname they choose to fork their connection |
| 21:44.36 | wols | hg87: ipmasq |
| 21:44.42 | man_in_shack | hg87, well i'm asking for instructions on how to do it, not that it's possible |
| 21:44.46 | wols | hg87: and to do it well jhe needs more |
| 21:44.57 | \amethyst | DeFirence: if the domain is really an alias (i.e. has the same IP) you can't do what you want without application-level support |
| 21:44.58 | wols | man_in_shack: aptitude install ipmasq dnsmasq |
| 21:45.09 | abrotman | zoredache: maybe also grep-dctrl |
| 21:45.21 | DeFirence | ok |
| 21:45.42 | \amethyst | DeFirence: because whether you connect to bb.foo.com or www.foo.com, the connection's going to the same place. Web servers can handle this because the GET line in the protocol is supposed to include the hostname |
| 21:45.52 | \amethyst | s/GET line/request/ |
| 21:45.56 | BlueToothz | wols: apt-get install pkg-config :P |
| 21:46.21 | DeFirence | \amethyst: its not tho, cause it first gos to the dns server and then to the ip? |
| 21:46.39 | \amethyst | DeFirence: you said alias, right? so bb.foo.com and www.foo.com have the same IP? |
| 21:46.46 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 21:46.47 | wols | DeFirence: the dns serve hands out the same IP for both names |
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| 21:47.09 | DeFirence | ok, wait, let me try a different approach: |
| 21:47.26 | BlueToothz | my god this needs alot of libraies |
| 21:47.28 | maddash | !kill localization-config |
| 21:47.31 | BlueToothz | :( |
| 21:47.50 | cchance | before i commence to download this 87 MB file has anyone heard anything bad about dtc? And i dont know if ive got it right or not, will this alow me to host? |
| 21:48.00 | cchance | as in to allow signups and to host websites |
| 21:48.03 | maddash | BlueToothz: welcome to the wonderful world of linux bloat |
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| 21:48.13 | hg87 | wols: i didn't knew ipmasq/dnsmasq, but it seems to be the debian choice for realising a nat. |
| 21:48.15 | BlueToothz | what is linux bloat |
| 21:48.17 | BlueToothz | like a boat? |
| 21:48.18 | DeFirence | bb.domain.com's dns is set to goto another server and that server forwards port 80 to the other servers port 8000 |
| 21:48.22 | DeFirence | is that possible? |
| 21:48.37 | Ronin | man maddash just how tiny do you want packages etc? |
| 21:48.40 | \amethyst | DeFirence: yes |
| 21:48.44 | DeFirence | that would mean i need a whole nother server, but maybe its possible |
| 21:48.46 | DeFirence | :D |
| 21:48.49 | \amethyst | DeFirence: it could even go to a different IP address on the same server |
| 21:48.49 | sam_ | wols any other ideas? how could i rename the drive? |
| 21:49.18 | DeFirence | ok, if it was going to another ip on the same debian box, how would that be setup? |
| 21:50.06 | \amethyst | !ipalias |
| 21:50.06 | dpkg | hmm... ipalias is at /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/IP-Alias.gz which is in the doc-linux-* packages, or see examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 21:50.19 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 21:50.35 | nameless | someone use fluxbox here and doesn't have got an EN keyboard ? |
| 21:50.48 | DeFirence | i meant, could u tell me not in detail, of how it would work :P |
| 21:50.55 | abrotman | no .. read the HOWTO |
| 21:51.06 | DeFirence | OK |
| 21:51.36 | BlueToothz | so what is bloat linux or are you just here to criticize others |
| 21:51.46 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:52.00 | BlueToothz | that was for maddash |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:52.11 | Ronin | BlueToothz: ignore him, he's complaining about the size of packages etc. |
| 21:52.22 | abrotman | he complains a lot :) |
| 21:52.25 | BlueToothz | ok |
| 21:52.25 | Jemt | Is it possible to create a file that will automatically be removed when I shut down? I have to preserve at least 5 MB of my Home directory, in order to ensure that I will never run out of disk space |
| 21:52.29 | zoredache | abrotman: grep-dctrl did what I want. Thanks.. :) |
| 21:52.38 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 21:52.55 | maddash | <BlueToothz> the reason why you have to install oh-so-many libs. |
| 21:53.18 | abrotman | well .. you don't know what he's installing .. emacs needs its own kernel you know! |
| 21:53.19 | giz | nameless: have used fluxbox but have en keyboard but ill try and help wots the prob? |
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| 21:53.50 | BlueToothz | maddash i dont mind i just am toos tupid to figure out what they are lol. |
| 21:53.53 | nameless | i have a problem to set the IT keyboard ad default |
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| 21:53.58 | BlueToothz | or how to get them |
| 21:54.01 | BlueToothz | for that matter |
| 21:54.13 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: a process which stays running, creates a 5M file, then deletes it while keeping the file open will preserv e 5M of diskspace. |
| 21:54.16 | nameless | everytime i login to flux, i have to start gnome-settings-daemon |
| 21:54.17 | nameless | :| |
| 21:54.28 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 21:54.33 | maddash | whoa wtf? |
| 21:54.36 | streuner | !blairsmite dondelelcaro |
| 21:55.05 | wols | oh... I like that one |
| 21:55.08 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Hm, interesting. Thank you :) |
| 21:55.09 | wols | even if it's outdated |
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| 21:55.25 | z0ran | (11:34:44 PM) wols: z0ran: do you have free space in /var/cache/apt ? wols i have in var partition available space 1.9G |
| 21:55.37 | DeFirence | um |
| 21:55.40 | giz | nameless: does it work allright in other window managers? or havnt you got any others |
| 21:55.41 | DeFirence | i dont have a /usr/share/doc/HOWTO |
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| 21:55.59 | man_in_shack | wols, once ipmasq and dnsmasq are installed, do i need to configure them? |
| 21:56.20 | wols | man_in_shack: only if you want a working dhcp server |
| 21:56.35 | dserban | OT: how does one change the ips to one's domains on the root servers when one changes isp's? .... it used to be netsol... |
| 21:56.35 | man_in_shack | well i do have a dhcp server running 8) |
| 21:56.42 | giz | nameless: keyboard settings are usually part of Xorg setup not window manager |
| 21:56.43 | wols | man_in_shack: then you don't |
| 21:57.00 | nameless | giz, with the DE works fine ( like gnome or xfce ), but e17 and fluxbox doesn't work |
| 21:57.06 | wols | dserban: you don't |
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| 21:57.14 | nameless | i'll try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:57.19 | abrotman | dserban: whomever your registrar is |
| 21:57.22 | dserban | wols, just update your ns records on the old servers? |
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| 21:57.34 | dserban | abrotman, ... yeah they don't do that ... stupid godaddy. |
| 21:57.52 | BlueToothz | i'll figure it out yet! if not aim, i'll f ind something less confusing for me |
| 21:58.20 | wols | dserban: you change at your DNS provider and wait for the DNS to propagate |
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| 21:58.59 | dserban | wols, I provide my own dns servers. So. What do you mean? |
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| 21:59.05 | giz | nameless: try using setxkbmap to set it |
| 21:59.10 | man_in_shack | wols, wait, didn't you just say i did have to configure if i wanted a working dhcp server? |
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| 21:59.41 | abrotman | dserban: they have to |
| 21:59.42 | wols | man_in_shack: if you want dnsmasq your dhcp server that is |
| 21:59.44 | MauL^ | I edited my /etc/hosts as : 127.0.0.1mybox.mydomain.comlocalhost.localdomain localhost mybox BUT still hostname command gives me "mauly" |
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| 22:00.16 | man_in_shack | wols, what does dnsmasq do? |
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| 22:00.23 | DeFirence | i dont have a /usr/share/doc/HOWTO so i installed apt-howto-en but i still dont have a howto folder? |
| 22:00.26 | dserban | abrotman, weird, I even phoned them and they claimed that they just don't do that. meh. |
| 22:00.46 | wols | man_in_shack: apt-cache show dnsmasq |
| 22:00.58 | BlueToothz | What is that AIM Alternative? Its something with a G.... GAIM ? |
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| 22:01.12 | Ronin | BlueToothz: gaim or pidgin depending on debian release |
| 22:01.15 | man_in_shack | BlueToothz, it's now called pidgin |
| 22:01.16 | wols | BlueToothz: gaim doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:01.20 | abrotman | dserban: they have to |
| 22:01.37 | abrotman | in etch it's still gaim |
| 22:01.41 | BlueToothz | Ronin, its the newest one. |
| 22:01.53 | man_in_shack | wols, so i can use dnsmasq as a dhcp server? |
| 22:01.55 | Ronin | BlueToothz: newest which? etch, lenny, sid? |
| 22:01.59 | dserban | abrotman, ok, I'll check with them again. |
| 22:02.00 | wols | dserban: is your DNS server entered as the authoritative source for your domains still? |
| 22:02.04 | wols | man_in_shack: yes |
| 22:02.09 | dserban | wols, yep |
| 22:02.09 | BlueToothz | Ronin, you got me :) |
| 22:02.11 | Seb | is there a standard user directory to put terminfo files in ? |
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| 22:02.20 | Seb | like a .term or something ? |
| 22:02.29 | abrotman | dserban: http://help.godaddy.com/article.php?article_id=666&topic_id=163 |
| 22:02.30 | wols | dserban: then there is nothing you need to do after you changed your zone files to match the new IPs of your domains |
| 22:02.34 | wols | only wait |
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| 22:02.43 | abrotman | dserban: or keep looking around .. that might not be quite it |
| 22:02.58 | OBcecado | hi, where should i i look for kde default keyboard language ? |
| 22:03.01 | abrotman | dserban: look through these http://help.godaddy.com/article_list.php?topic_id=163 |
| 22:03.10 | OBcecado | (config file) |
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| 22:03.22 | dserban | wols, k |
| 22:03.25 | fas3r | abrotman: i have find ;) |
| 22:03.31 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:03.38 | abrotman | wols: yes there is |
| 22:03.47 | dserban | abrotman, I will delve through it. Thanks for your efforts. I knew they had to, but after that phone call, I was dumbfounded. |
| 22:03.49 | abrotman | wols: you have to tell the whois where your dns servers are |
| 22:03.53 | helo_ | my volume is so insanely low even on the maxxed out alsamixer settings |
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| 22:04.15 | helo_ | that my ears starve to hear crappy gainy low volume crap |
| 22:04.20 | wols | abrotman: that's why I asked if his DNS server is still authoritative for his domains |
| 22:04.28 | fas3r | now over problem .. how to skip this question to " Sign the certificate? [y/n]:" for the second command for sign the certificat ? |
| 22:04.36 | abrotman | wols: i'd hope so .. since he's asking how to change it |
| 22:05.03 | wols | abrotman: I asked him an dhe said yes, his servers are still authoritative. not my problem if he lies to me |
| 22:05.33 | wols | yumm |
| 22:05.45 | dserban | wols, of course they're authoritative. :) Otherwise I wouldn't care? |
| 22:05.46 | BlueToothz | Ronin, "Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r1 was released August 15th, 2007" |
| 22:05.58 | Ronin | BlueToothz: etch |
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| 22:06.08 | wols | dserban: what is the domain in question? |
| 22:06.10 | helo_ | etch is pretty kick ass, imo |
| 22:06.30 | BlueToothz | It didnt come with xChat |
| 22:06.33 | BlueToothz | I had to install it |
| 22:06.40 | Ronin | BlueToothz: sure it did, you just need to install it |
| 22:06.41 | giz | nameless: check your xorg.conf file and look for an Option "Xkblayout" "de" for example and set to wot you want it to be |
| 22:07.02 | nameless | there's already |
| 22:07.07 | BlueToothz | Ronin, with apt I did. is that what comes with debian, just not installed |
| 22:07.37 | Ronin | BlueToothz: a ton of apps come with debian and aren't installed by default, |
| 22:08.03 | BlueToothz | well damn me |
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| 22:08.19 | nameless | shadow:/home/nameless# dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:08.19 | nameless | Looking for keymap to install: |
| 22:08.20 | nameless | it2 |
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| 22:08.25 | Ronin | theres what 20something cds of apps iirc |
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| 22:08.29 | nameless | i'll try to restart fluxbox |
| 22:08.35 | g-lukemob | hey, any1 got any knowledges about "route"? i'd need help with it |
| 22:08.50 | wols | a!tell g-lukemob about ask |
| 22:08.56 | wols | !tell g-lukemob about ask |
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| 22:10.50 | BlueToothz | alright Ronin |
| 22:10.51 | g-lukemob | i've 2 NIC... on one there goes internet connection, and the second one goes out to switch |
| 22:10.55 | BlueToothz | GAIM is installed now |
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| 22:11.10 | archangelpetro | is it possible to list the full path when doing a command like 'ls -aR | grep -i string' instead of just showing the filename? |
| 22:11.10 | g-lukemob | I need to get the internet from eth0 to eth1 |
| 22:11.20 | wols | g-lukemob: install ipmasq |
| 22:11.22 | nameless | dpkg-reconfigure console-data didn`t work |
| 22:11.46 | edison04 | Help how to delete the last line of an file with a script ? |
| 22:11.46 | wols | nameless: why would console-data "work" if you want your X keymap changed? |
| 22:11.52 | man_in_shack | bbs, booting to new kernel |
| 22:12.25 | \amethyst | archangelpetro: use find rather than ls, perhaps |
| 22:12.37 | g-lukemob | wols, isn't it enough to use "route" command? |
| 22:12.38 | nameless | lol, someone here have told me to try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:12.53 | wols | g-lukemob: no |
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| 22:13.12 | wols | g-lukemob: depending on your network setup you could bridge but that doesn't use route either |
| 22:13.12 | \amethyst | g-lukemob: not unless your internal network has routeable addresses |
| 22:13.19 | BlueToothz | Ronin, it probably is |
| 22:13.28 | Ronin | afraid to move now |
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| 22:17.34 | nameless | wols; how i can set the keymap in X ? |
| 22:18.15 | nameless | if Option "XkbLayout" "it" there`s already |
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| 22:20.04 | wols | nameless: are you running sid? |
| 22:20.29 | nameless | yes |
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| 22:20.57 | g-lukemob | wols, i've 2 NIC, how do I define 1 which will be used for internet? |
| 22:21.02 | g-lukemob | to download upgrades and so... ? |
| 22:21.58 | wols | g-lukemob: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 22:22.26 | irule_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.42 | man_in_shack | the client doesn't seem to be able to get an address from dnsmasq |
| 22:22.49 | irule_ | g-lukemob is one nic to the internet and the other to the internal lan? |
| 22:22.49 | Nyle | simonrvn: ping |
| 22:22.56 | wols | man_in_shack: have you configured the dhcp? |
| 22:22.58 | g-lukemob | irule_, yea |
| 22:23.22 | irule_ | g-lukemob ok pastebin the contents of "route -n" |
| 22:23.23 | man_in_shack | wols, i enabled the dhcp-range option ... |
| 22:23.26 | \amethyst | g-lukemob: is the external-facing interface statically configured or DHCP? |
| 22:23.41 | g-lukemob | DHCP |
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| 22:23.54 | ringo999 | how can i see which daemons are runningß |
| 22:23.55 | thelostbutler | hello folks any recommendations on a webmail interface that is actively maintained ? i tried using squirrelmai and i found that the plugins are old and not maintained, any suggestions are appreciated |
| 22:23.56 | \amethyst | g-lukemob: and the internal one? |
| 22:24.02 | g-lukemob | yea |
| 22:24.14 | wols | ringo999: man ps |
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| 22:24.26 | ringo999 | wols: got it |
| 22:25.01 | irule_ | g-lukemob open www.pastebin.ca and show me your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:25.51 | g-lukemob | irule_: http://www.pastebin.ca/748575 |
| 22:25.57 | man_in_shack | wols, do i need to do anything else? |
| 22:26.15 | irule_ | g-lukemob start installing dnsmasq |
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| 22:26.38 | Nyle | rahul: hey |
| 22:26.58 | irule_ | g-lukemob which is eth? lan and which eth? is internet? |
| 22:27.13 | g-lukemob | internet = eth1 |
| 22:27.17 | g-lukemob | lan = eth0 |
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| 22:29.35 | irule_ | g-lukemob ‎pastebin another with the results of ifconfig |
| 22:30.26 | wols | man_in_shack: for what? |
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| 22:30.44 | man_in_shack | wols, dhcp server with dnsmasq |
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| 22:32.17 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 22:33.05 | BlueToothz | tell BlueToothz about codecs |
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| 22:33.26 | BlueToothz | doesnt work wols how'd you do it |
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| 22:33.32 | BlueToothz | :) |
| 22:34.06 | Nyle | codecs? |
| 22:34.06 | Nyle | !w32codecs |
| 22:34.06 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 22:34.06 | eurowerke | hey gang |
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| 22:34.20 | eurowerke | running debian under virtual server, need help fixing the time sync issue |
| 22:34.21 | BlueToothz | dpkg, how do i get <debian-multimedia> |
| 22:34.24 | eurowerke | already using clock=pit |
| 22:34.36 | eurowerke | can anyone help? |
| 22:34.37 | Strogg | I'm generating a self-signed certificate for exim4 to use for TLS, and it's all working ok, but somehow the date in the cert is set in the past.. even though my system time is ok. Any idea what I'm going wrong here? |
| 22:34.43 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 22:34.43 | dpkg | well, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 22:34.44 | irule_ | g-lukemob are you still alive? |
| 22:34.52 | possie | when i'm installing mysql-server-4.1 it also auto installs mysql-server-5 why is this? |
| 22:34.55 | Nyle | !search |
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| 22:34.55 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 22:35.04 | eurowerke | that irritates me possie :P |
| 22:35.14 | BlueToothz | thanks Nyle , i keep forgetting that command! |
| 22:35.14 | Nyle | possie |
| 22:35.16 | man_in_shack | can you please send those to people's msgs? |
| 22:35.17 | Nyle | insane clown posse |
| 22:35.19 | Nyle | :) |
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| 22:35.29 | eurowerke | I feel like apt loads up my system with unneeded pkgs |
| 22:35.38 | kernel_on_debian | hello |
| 22:35.49 | Strogg | eurowerke: check out deborphan |
| 22:35.51 | Nyle | man_in_shack: no |
| 22:36.02 | Strogg | eurowerke: apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` is one of my favourite commands |
| 22:36.05 | kernel_on_debian | i've a doubt on kernel compilation on debian. someone can help? |
| 22:36.49 | man_in_shack | is there some way i can check to see if the dhcp request is getting to the server? |
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| 22:37.05 | Strogg | man_in_shack: run tshark on the server and watch for it? |
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| 22:37.13 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 22:37.17 | Nyle | Strogg: don't need deborphan anymore if you use aptitude |
| 22:37.42 | Strogg | Nyle: so I've heard.. I haven't been able to switch yet. I'm too hooked on apt-get |
| 22:37.48 | nootoyahora | I'm setting up a dial-in access and I have some questions... did someone bring up a dial-in access sometime? |
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| 22:38.00 | eurowerke | are you around dondelelcaro? |
| 22:38.12 | man_in_shack | hmm ... client is now receiving packets |
| 22:38.20 | man_in_shack | but it doesn't seem to be too happy |
| 22:38.45 | man_in_shack | still not getting an address |
| 22:39.12 | dondelelcaro | eurowerke: yerp |
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| 22:40.31 | eurowerke | you have any experience using virtualized debian on virtual server? |
| 22:40.36 | ringo999 | how do i restart the sshd daemon? |
| 22:40.45 | eurowerke | i'm using clock=pit but drift is still huge |
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| 22:41.01 | kernel_on_debian | I'm trying to compile 2.6.9 vanilla kernel on debian sarge, in the "debian way", but when I execute fakeroot make-kpkg ..etc.., an warnings raises saying about cramfs format of initrd and about the possibility of my new kernel doesn't boot (which is happening). Someone have a tip? |
| 22:41.24 | eurowerke | 20 minutes or so every day it seems |
| 22:41.31 | kernel_on_debian | ringo999: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 22:43.17 | ringo999 | kernel_on_debian: will this reload /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 22:43.53 | ringo999 | i changed permitrootlogin to "no" but i can still login as root after restart |
| 22:44.08 | man_in_shack | well as far as i can tell, the server is sending out the dhcp offer |
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| 22:45.18 | kernel_on_debian | ringo999: try ssh reload instead |
| 22:45.25 | snot | while messing around with nis I try to add a user but when using adduser it says: passwd: Module is unknown |
| 22:45.36 | snot | somehow I might have fucked with pam... |
| 22:47.06 | DawnLight | don't fuck with pam |
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| 22:47.10 | eurowerke | lol |
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| 22:47.14 | Nyle | I know this girl named pam |
| 22:47.20 | man_in_shack | now trying a debian client to the dhcp server |
| 22:47.20 | Nyle | shes hot, I'd like to fuck with pam |
| 22:47.25 | eurowerke | OMG |
| 22:47.25 | eurowerke | haha |
| 22:47.30 | man_in_shack | Nyle, wouldn't we all? :P |
| 22:47.33 | Nyle | :D |
| 22:47.40 | DawnLight | haha |
| 22:47.54 | sam_ | anyone know how to rename a fat32 external drive? |
| 22:48.02 | snot | DawnLight: I know... now :) |
| 22:48.08 | man_in_shack | ok, tshark is now going nuts |
| 22:48.14 | irule_ | sam_ babtism lol |
| 22:48.18 | man_in_shack | sam_, what do you mean "rename"? |
| 22:48.33 | irule_ | Nyle Ill take my turn in fucking pam |
| 22:48.35 | streuner | sam_: /msg dpkg vfat-rw |
| 22:48.44 | man_in_shack | fantasmic. debian client has no problems with dhcp |
| 22:48.48 | DawnLight | fat32 external drive: i am your father |
| 22:48.50 | sam_ | it has a stupid space in it 'My Book' i want it called something without a space.. |
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| 22:49.26 | DawnLight | sam_: i think i want one of those. is that good? |
| 22:49.27 | kernel_on_debian | someone can help me with a vanilla 2.6.9 compilation on debian ? |
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| 22:49.50 | irule_ | sam_ borrow a win client, click on device, F2 and rename |
| 22:50.00 | DawnLight | !tell kernel_on_debian about kernel compile |
| 22:50.05 | sam_ | has to be win? |
| 22:50.27 | sam_ | irule_, I don't have any win |
| 22:50.30 | irule_ | sam_ I only remember that lol |
| 22:50.43 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 22:51.06 | man_in_shack | dnsmasq dhcp server seems to be correctly configured |
| 22:51.14 | man_in_shack | dns routing does not |
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| 22:51.38 | kernel_on_debian | DawnLight: I need to do a simple compilation of 2.6.9, but it don't boot. I'm using the "debian way". For reasons of compatibility, i'm using debian sarge. |
| 22:52.05 | DawnLight | kernel_on_debian: i don't know about this, but perhaps it needs the debian patch |
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| 22:52.07 | kernel_on_debian | DawnLight: The source isn't in debian repos. It's vanilla |
| 22:52.23 | sam_ | OK anyone know how to mount a drive with a space in the name? wols suggested 'My\ Book' but I could not get that to work.. |
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| 22:52.50 | DawnLight | sam_: what about using "" or '' |
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| 22:53.12 | kernel_on_debian | DawnLight: yep. I agree. I realized a few searchs and I've seen the kernel source have a cramfs initrd patch. Proceed? |
| 22:53.29 | sam_ | DawnLight, OK will try thanks |
| 22:53.46 | DawnLight | but sam_, do you need to type in a name? |
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| 22:54.11 | DawnLight | mount -t type what where isn't enough |
| 22:54.42 | man_in_shack | wols, dnsmasq doesn't seem to be forwarding requests |
| 22:54.45 | kernel_on_debian | DawnLight: I´m trying to boot this kernel on a vmware vmplayer machine, to isolate hardware problems/configuration inconsistences |
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| 22:55.52 | irule_ | sam_ mount My <--- and then press on tab for autocompletion |
| 22:56.18 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: i've set up dnsmasq in 15 minutes using the verbose /etc/dnsmasq.conf and didn't have any problem |
| 22:56.21 | irule_ | sam_ mount My\ Book |
| 22:56.32 | irule_ | sam_ mount 'My Book' |
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| 22:56.56 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, only thing i've changed in there is dhcp-range |
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| 22:57.34 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: well, i don't remember it completely but did you go through it all? |
| 22:57.54 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, i skipped over most of the dhcp stuff :) |
| 22:58.12 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: naughty sysadmin |
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| 22:58.58 | sam_ | irule_, sorry i have not explained well. The drive is mounted i want to tell kino to save files to it and do not know the path to give kino |
| 22:59.55 | abrotman | sam_: there's a way to list shares |
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| 23:00.29 | abrotman | sam_: smbclient -L <hostname/IP> |
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| 23:03.55 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 23:03.55 | eurowerke | dfd |
| 23:04.08 | man_in_shack | looks like dnsmasq isn't getting the dns data from resolv.conf :| |
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| 23:05.22 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.37 | man_in_shack | wols, dns requests. seems to be fixed now |
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| 23:05.59 | man_in_shack | had to explicitly put either the main dns server or resolv.conf in dnsmasq.conf |
| 23:06.17 | man_in_shack | now the dns requests are working, but nothing else seems to be :( |
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| 23:07.00 | wols | sam_: if the drive is mounted a simple "amount" will tell you where |
| 23:07.14 | wols | "mount" rather |
| 23:07.15 | xand | an amount of what :D |
| 23:08.13 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: does the server resolv dns probperly? |
| 23:08.15 | wols | man_in_shack: what is the output of ifconfig? |
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| 23:08.42 | man_in_shack | wols, on which box? client or server? |
| 23:08.46 | wols | server |
| 23:08.47 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, seems to |
| 23:08.56 | sam_ | /dev/sdb1 on /media/My Book type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077,usefree) |
| 23:09.16 | tdrusk | I just installed a kde system. I don't have alsa. What do I need to play sound and use the mixer like in kubuntu or any other kde distro? |
| 23:09.26 | abrotman | sam_: seems to be mounted .. what's the problem ? |
| 23:09.31 | wols | sam_: why did you mount it on in a directory with a frigging space when you have so much trouble using it that way? |
| 23:09.34 | fas3r | it's possible with a command to know who user i am ? ... for example if i'm user toto or test ... pwd say where we are .. but they are a command for know who you are |
| 23:09.37 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: after you change settings in dnsmasq.conf you need to /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart i assume |
| 23:09.45 | wols | fas3r: whoami |
| 23:09.48 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, yeah, i've been doing that :) |
| 23:09.59 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, that's how i got dns requests to be forwarded correctly |
| 23:10.00 | fas3r | wols: thank a lot ;) |
| 23:10.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:10.04 | abrotman | fas3r: or 'id' |
| 23:10.07 | man_in_shack | http://rafb.net/p/WeyaZa94.html << ifconfig on server |
| 23:10.10 | sam_ | abrotman, the problem is that i do not know what path to use |
| 23:10.19 | fas3r | ok |
| 23:10.20 | abrotman | sam_: /media/My\ Book/ |
| 23:10.21 | sam_ | wols it just mounted itself |
| 23:10.35 | man_in_shack | eth0 has internet access, eth1 is lan only |
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| 23:10.39 | fas3r | it's just i want to know who execute command with shell_exec() function in php |
| 23:10.45 | sam_ | kino does not like that abrotman |
| 23:10.56 | wols | ick! double NAT |
| 23:11.07 | man_in_shack | yah |
| 23:11.09 | abrotman | sam_: can you use a terminal to get to that directory ? |
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| 23:11.33 | sam_ | yep sam@sam-laptop:~$ cd /media/My\ Book/ |
| 23:11.33 | sam_ | sam@sam-laptop:/media/My Book$ |
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| 23:11.41 | man_in_shack | thus the need for a router :) |
| 23:11.48 | sam_ | must be a kino issue i guess |
| 23:11.49 | wols | man_in_shack: no |
| 23:11.55 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 23:11.57 | wols | man_in_shack: you already have a router |
| 23:12.01 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: you have 1 error. i don't know what that means |
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| 23:12.22 | fas3r | thank abrotman ;) |
| 23:12.26 | wols | man_in_shack: why do you think you need a 2nd one? |
| 23:12.28 | fas3r | and wols |
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| 23:13.12 | man_in_shack | wols, because i get a 1GB/s lan connection if i plug my laptop directly into this server |
| 23:13.27 | man_in_shack | wols, and i can't afford a 1GB/s switch/hub/whatever |
| 23:13.30 | wols | man_in_shack: that's not an answer. that's nonsense |
| 23:13.57 | wols | why do you want a double NAT? |
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| 23:14.05 | man_in_shack | ... |
| 23:14.10 | man_in_shack | i don't know what you mean |
| 23:14.20 | wols | you already have a NAT router |
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| 23:14.51 | man_in_shack | which is the adsl modem, right? or are we not quite thinking along the same lines? |
| 23:15.08 | wols | that is not a modem. it's a router with integrated adsl modem |
| 23:15.17 | man_in_shack | sure |
| 23:15.24 | wols | so why do you need a 2nd one? |
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| 23:15.42 | fas3r | if i use command login in script ... it's possible to change user for execute command with other right ? |
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| 23:15.51 | man_in_shack | because the main lan is 100MB/s, and i want the fastest possible link i can get between my laptop and this server |
| 23:16.03 | abrotman | fas3r: man su |
| 23:16.04 | man_in_shack | so i can transfer gigabytes of files between them |
| 23:16.10 | wols | man_in_shack: that is no answer! |
| 23:16.24 | wols | you don't need a router to connect two PCs |
| 23:16.36 | MauL^ | can u recommend me some reading about making my debian box as a standalone hosting machine? |
| 23:16.44 | fas3r | abrotman: i know it's possible with sudo .. but i don't think it's a good idea to attribut root right on www-data user :p |
| 23:16.45 | man_in_shack | wols, i do if i want the 1GB/s lan to access the internet as well |
| 23:16.46 | MauL^ | I wanna host my site |
| 23:16.51 | wols | man_in_shack: no you don't |
| 23:16.53 | MauL^ | on my debian |
| 23:17.00 | man_in_shack | wols, then how do you do it? |
| 23:17.01 | tdrusk | what do I need to have audio and a mixer in kde debian? |
| 23:17.03 | wols | MauL^: install apache2 |
| 23:17.12 | wols | man_in_shack: by bridging |
| 23:17.19 | MauL^ | I ve already web&db |
| 23:17.21 | man_in_shack | and how do you set that up? |
| 23:17.30 | wols | with bridge-utils |
| 23:17.35 | MauL^ | but I need to learn a bit about this DNS and MX records |
| 23:17.43 | wols | MauL^: why? |
| 23:17.44 | man_in_shack | installing |
| 23:17.58 | man_in_shack | now what? |
| 23:18.03 | wols | now you read |
| 23:18.04 | MauL^ | wols, my domain configuration panel asks me a dns server |
| 23:18.19 | wols | what configuration panel? |
| 23:18.41 | MauL^ | I bought a domain name, and only thing I can configure is the DNS |
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| 23:19.08 | wols | yes. you need to tell which dns server is authoritative for your domain. ie which one is resolving your domain |
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| 23:19.11 | DeFirence | Xsession: warning: unable to write to /temp; X session may exit with an error |
| 23:19.12 | MauL^ | so I though I have to set up my dns server myself |
| 23:19.19 | abrotman | DeFirence: ls -ld /tmp/ |
| 23:19.20 | wols | MauL^: bad idea |
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| 23:19.36 | wols | DeFirence: /temp or /tmp? |
| 23:19.37 | MauL^ | wols, ups ok. so which dns server will do it for me |
| 23:19.54 | wols | MauL^: you don't need one |
| 23:19.56 | DeFirence | wols, tmp soz |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | soz? |
| 23:20.26 | DeFirence | sorry<< |
| 23:20.31 | MauL^ | wols, so what I will write into the DNS server inputbox in the control panel of my domain |
| 23:20.45 | man_in_shack | wols, what exactly do i read? |
| 23:20.49 | wols | MauL^: the domainserver that serves your domain |
| 23:21.00 | wols | man_in_shack: bridging howtos |
| 23:21.31 | MauL^ | wols, they say: If you want to host with us, then just use the default name servers. |
| 23:21.45 | MauL^ | wols, but I will not use their hosting |
| 23:21.45 | wols | MauL^: but you don't |
| 23:21.58 | DeFirence | ls -ld /tmp/ --- drwxrwxrwt 6 root root 4096 *date* *time* /tmp/ |
| 23:22.00 | MauL^ | so, what will I write |
| 23:22.10 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: as a rule, for each package go to /usr/share/doc/package_name and read at least the README.Debian |
| 23:22.22 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, that's what i was doing |
| 23:22.28 | wols | MauL^: you have to look for your own dns servers, however while you can run your own (if you have a static IP) it's bad to do so,e specially when you don't have a clue |
| 23:22.28 | man_in_shack | don't really understand it |
| 23:22.45 | man_in_shack | so i thought i should ask if there was anything specific i should read |
| 23:23.12 | MauL^ | wols, ok. so I should find out what is my dns |
| 23:23.13 | DeFirence | abrotman: is that right? |
| 23:23.22 | wols | MauL^: no |
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| 23:24.05 | abrotman | DeFirence: yes |
| 23:24.45 | tdrusk | what alsa programs are necessary for sound? |
| 23:24.50 | wols | MauL^: do you have a static IP? |
| 23:24.52 | wols | !alsa |
| 23:24.52 | dpkg | alsa is probably http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
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| 23:24.54 | MauL^ | wols, yes |
| 23:25.13 | wols | MauL^: then find a (free) DNS hoster |
| 23:25.16 | DeFirence | abrotman: i still get that error when i try login to kde :/ |
| 23:25.36 | SamuraiDio | where is the artwiz fonts and cursors? |
| 23:25.44 | MauL^ | wols, like everydns.net ? |
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| 23:27.51 | abrotman | DeFirence: paste the whole error somewhere |
| 23:27.52 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:27.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:28.00 | DeFirence | abrotman |
| 23:28.05 | DeFirence | that is the whole error |
| 23:28.05 | abrotman | DeFirence |
| 23:28.10 | DeFirence | i cant copy it |
| 23:28.19 | DeFirence | i typed it off the screen |
| 23:28.40 | abrotman | how did you install kde ? |
| 23:28.43 | DeFirence | when i press ok on the error it gos back to logon screen |
| 23:28.58 | DeFirence | aptitude install kde xorg |
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| 23:29.03 | abrotman | drwxrwxrwt 12 root root 4096 2007-10-24 19:18 /tmp/ |
| 23:29.06 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 23:29.34 | DeFirence | and btw, debian froze and after i restarted i got this error |
| 23:29.35 | speckal | hi all. I'm installing etch64. I have two disks, each with three partitions. 1 G, 1 G, 158 GB I want the first partition of each disk to be raid-1 (mirrored). Even though I set it up correctly (selected raid1) debian's raid configurator made the md device 512 MB instead of 1 G |
| 23:29.40 | speckal | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:31.12 | man_in_shack | bbs |
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| 23:31.52 | hardcampa | could someone here running Etch tell me which chroot version it's using. chroot --version |
| 23:32.14 | Superbartt | hardcampa check http://packages.debian.org |
| 23:32.17 | hardcampa | think my core utils been updated by a source.list line =/ |
| 23:32.54 | DeFirence | http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.jpg |
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| 23:33.00 | DeFirence | theres the error |
| 23:33.02 | DeFirence | ^^^ |
| 23:33.21 | abrotman | gravity: does that make any sense to you? |
| 23:34.07 | DeFirence | i think i should just /wrists or internally combust or something... |
| 23:34.11 | gravity | abrotman: Not really. It looks like something not related to X directly. |
| 23:34.15 | gravity | Like /tmp is fucked somehow |
| 23:34.15 | lightning | question. I have 6 sata drives. My bios only allows auto for detection or none. When linux boots, get errors at times and looking in /dev i see that the drives have changed id's. reboot and it is ok. how can I keep the drives from being reassigned new id's? it appears related to whether or not my sata cdrom has a cd in it |
| 23:34.16 | Strogg | I'm generating a self-signed certificate for exim4 to use for TLS, and it's all working ok, but somehow the date in the cert is set in the past.. even though my system time is ok. Any idea what I'm going wrong here? |
| 23:34.38 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: you've most likely given a duration that causes a 32bit overflow |
| 23:34.46 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl cert |
| 23:34.46 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 23:34.52 | dondelelcaro | Strogg: do something like the above |
| 23:35.14 | abrotman | gravity: the perms look fine though |
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| 23:35.26 | DeFirence | could this problem be somehow caused by nomachine nx? |
| 23:35.35 | abrotman | nx ? |
| 23:35.41 | DeFirence | cause thats the only thing i installed today that uses x |
| 23:35.46 | wanglin_ | hello,everyone |
| 23:36.04 | DeFirence | ive used nx on suse countless times |
| 23:36.17 | DeFirence | its like remote desktop software |
| 23:36.25 | DeFirence | very good rdc software |
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| 23:36.58 | wanglin_ | ask a question : how to display the 3D desktop ,ubuntu 7.10 ,I use ctrl+alt , to display , |
| 23:37.13 | dondelelcaro | wanglin_: #ubuntu can help you with that |
| 23:37.25 | man_in_shack | if i set up a bridge on this server, do i need it to run a dhcp server too? |
| 23:37.33 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: no |
| 23:37.40 | man_in_shack | that's what i thought |
| 23:38.06 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: all a bridge does is ferry packets bi-directionally over some intervening transport |
| 23:38.46 | dondelelcaro | (you may need to bridge DHCP traffic separately if broadcast packets aren't being forwarded, but generally that shouldn't be required) |
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| 23:39.37 | man_in_shack | well something's not working |
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| 23:40.11 | dondelelcaro | you'll have to tell us about what's not working and your network topology, then |
| 23:40.27 | xtor | Why on earth does a daemon called "bittorent" start up by default a |
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| 23:44.23 | dsdsds | hey there. i installed munin and its pretty fine working. nice view over the webserver. but im not happy that anybody can have access to this .html . how to configure user access granting to 1 special directory in the apache2 webserver? thanks in advance :) |
| 23:45.03 | simonrvn | dsdsds: require auth or allow access to certain IPs |
| 23:45.07 | simonrvn | or both |
| 23:45.17 | dsdsds | auth |
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| 23:45.20 | simonrvn | dsdsds: suggested usage of auth should be over https |
| 23:45.23 | dsdsds | username / pass |
| 23:45.29 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:45.39 | dsdsds | well |
| 23:45.44 | dsdsds | how to make it https |
| 23:45.45 | mikefoo | MailScanner question, I have spamassassin, setup without mailscanner, if I setup mailscanner, and I tell it to use spamassassin, are messages being run thru spamassassin twice? |
| 23:45.52 | dondelelcaro | dsdsds: so use http basic authentication as described in many introductory manuals, and then use https:// to access it |
| 23:46.01 | simonrvn | apache has nice docs for that |
| 23:46.11 | dsdsds | f. ex. ? |
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| 23:46.32 | simonrvn | httpd.apache.org |
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| 23:47.02 | speckal | you need to zero out the first XXXX bytes of an old raid array before you can change it's size to make a new partition |
| 23:47.18 | speckal | at least with the mdadm that's on the etch64 CD |
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| 23:48.08 | speckal | tricky :P |
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| 23:48.35 | squisher | My xorg doesn't load with the selected keymap anymore, does anyone know if the xorg.conf format recently changed? |
| 23:48.51 | wols | squisher: stop running sid |
| 23:48.54 | simonrvn | squisher: sid? |
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| 23:49.14 | squisher | wols: hey, I'm not complaining, I'm just asking how to fix it :) |
| 23:49.22 | simonrvn | update, there's a fix for hal that blocks it |
| 23:49.30 | wols | squisher: I told you :P |
| 23:49.36 | simonrvn | er, the pre-fixed one does =) |
| 23:49.40 | squisher | wols: *grin* |
| 23:49.55 | hardcampa | Anyone stumbled into the chroot problem where you can't chroot since it insists on not finding /bin/bash ? Even though /bin/bash exist in the chroot |
| 23:49.57 | man_in_shack | well i managed to stuff something up royal :) |
| 23:50.16 | console_jockey | I have a problem. In an effort to install an alternative disto of linux I added a new drive to my machine. Currently I have 2 250GB HD's and everything is installed to an LVM using raid0 (save of course for /boot and swap). I proceeded to install the new distro to the new drive and once it was complete now my boot manager (grub) loads from hd2 not hd0. This is a problem as I intend to remove the new drive at some |
| 23:50.16 | console_jockey | point and when I do I get an error 21 from grub and no further options. I realize this is like more a grub question than one for you all, but does anyone know how I can tell grub to boot from the original hd0 instead of having to boot from hd2? |
| 23:50.16 | voici_ | hi, i am trying to format a ntfs partition -> mke2fs -L DATA -S /dev/sda2. it looks like it works. mk32fs throws out it's infos. but after that the partition is still ntfs and i can't mount it as ext3 (wrong fs) |
| 23:50.21 | wols | hardcampa: the libraries bash depends on. are they inside the chroot too? |
| 23:50.33 | hardcampa | wols yeah |
| 23:50.35 | squisher | simonrvn: I guess I can always load it manually afterwards, it's not such a huge deal. I was just surprised when I noticed :) |
| 23:50.36 | hardcampa | did a ldd on bash |
| 23:51.00 | BlueToothz | thanks to dpkg i found out where my sources go! |
| 23:51.01 | dpkg | BlueToothz: no problem |
| 23:51.04 | BlueToothz | :p |
| 23:51.19 | squisher | console_jockey: you probably need to install grub on that hdd? :) |
| 23:52.07 | wols | voici_: your mke2fs doesn't make an ext3 fs, it makes a ext2 one |
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| 23:52.19 | squisher | console_jockey: so w/o looking it up, it might be that grub's stage 1.5 or so is on the harddrive you intend to remove. That's why you need to reinstall it |
| 23:52.34 | voici_ | wols: which one makes ext3 ? |
| 23:52.41 | console_jockey | squisher: I really don't know, however I can say that prior to my adding the third HD everything booted just fine. It wasn't until I installed the new distro did something become overwritten. As it is I had to manually mount sda and copy my menu.lst from /boot to the sdc and update it so that I can boot back into my original distro |
| 23:52.56 | wols | voici_: mkfs.ext3 or the mke2fs with the proper options |
| 23:53.16 | console_jockey | squisher: hmmm... I know that stage1 is on hd0 (as well as one on hd2) |
| 23:53.20 | voici_ | found it, thanks |
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| 23:53.32 | voici_ | but still wondering why it didn't make a ext2 then |
| 23:54.21 | squisher | console_jockey: so you can't boot at all right now? Or you can, but you suspect you won't be able to anymore once you remove hd0? |
| 23:54.32 | Nyle | 1 |
| 23:54.43 | wols | 2 |
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| 23:56.11 | console_jockey | squisher: I can boot so long as I have the third drive (we'll call it hd2) installed. And since I've updated the menu.lst file on hd2 to include all the boot information for hd0 I can boot to my original distro. however, when I remove hd2 grub returns an error 21 and doesn't go any further. I'd say that it's an issue with the mbr being on hd2, but then how the hell does grub load at all and I don't instead get a NO OS |
| 23:56.11 | console_jockey | error? |
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| 23:56.45 | console_jockey | squisher: and when I say it doesn't go any further I mean I get no menu and no grub prompt |
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| 23:57.12 | console_jockey | squisher: I have to power the system down, add hd2 back into the system, then power up, at which point it loads the menu.lst file hd2 |
| 23:57.15 | danilao | anyone uses XEN ? |
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| 23:58.04 | console_jockey | squisher: my intention was the opposite: I wanted to add the boot option for hd2 to the menu on hd0 so that when the drive is installed I can boot to hd2 and work with the new distro, but I would not have to have hd2 installed to boot to hd0 |
| 23:58.14 | console_jockey | squisher: something seems to have gotten in the way. |
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| 23:59.38 | squisher | console_jockey: I'm really not an expert on this, so take this with a grain of salt |
