| 00:00.00 | squisher | console_jockey: the mbr on hd0 is fine, just like you say, because otherwise nothing about grub would show up at all |
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| 00:00.26 | squisher | console_jockey: my guess is that the mbr of hd0 is used, but somehow the it is told to read the rest of the files off hd2. You should look up what grub error 21 means |
| 00:00.46 | console_jockey | squisher: I can confirm with fdisk that /dev/sda1 is set to boot and /dev/sdc1 is not so I agree. |
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| 00:01.01 | squisher | console_jockey: the boot flag is not used anymore these days |
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| 00:01.34 | console_jockey | squisher: heh... go figure... ok. I do think your theory is valid and I'm currently trying to get an answer to the error 21 online |
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| 00:01.45 | Riotblade | Hey, anyone happen to know of a command line utility for converting SSA subs to SRT? |
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| 00:02.20 | DawnLight | Riotblade: do you know how to search with aptitude? |
| 00:02.45 | abrotman | Riotblade: who what? |
| 00:02.46 | console_jockey | squisher: hmmm... looks like it might turn out to be a bios problem. thank you for your thoughts on this. |
| 00:02.46 | man_in_shack | seems i don't get this bridge configuration stuff |
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| 00:02.59 | Riotblade | DawnLight, yes, lemme check |
| 00:03.15 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: you want my interfaces? |
| 00:03.16 | Riotblade | abrotman, SSA format subtitles to SRT format |
| 00:03.23 | abrotman | dvds? |
| 00:03.25 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, sure |
| 00:03.52 | Riotblade | DawnLight, didnt find any |
| 00:03.56 | grendal_prime | i need to find out how much space a dir andits contents are consuming...whats the quichest way? |
| 00:04.07 | squisher | console_jockey: really? From a quick google someone said it just means "disk not found" |
| 00:04.21 | grendal_prime | that should have been quickest way |
| 00:04.27 | DeFirence | aoooOOOooOoOOoOoooo... |
| 00:04.39 | DeFirence | i guess ill just sit here and cry |
| 00:04.54 | console_jockey | squisher: yes, disk not found is what I found |
| 00:05.31 | DawnLight | Riotblade: search in description like ~dfoo |
| 00:05.37 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: http://pastebin.org/5888 |
| 00:05.51 | console_jockey | squisher: so, let me rethink this. Clearly it's booting from hd0 as grub is loading, but then grub, at stage 1.5 wants to load the menu from hd2, which of course I have unplugged. What I need to do is tell grub not to look at hd2 but to continue to look at hd0 I guess |
| 00:06.10 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, is that it? |
| 00:06.26 | squisher | console_jockey: have you tried to run grub-install another time when booted from hd0? |
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| 00:06.56 | DeFirence | abrotman: what would u do in my situation? |
| 00:07.06 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: that is my desktop. it is connected with eth1 to a nat box and with eth2 to another box. do you want the interfaces of my nat box? |
| 00:07.14 | abrotman | DeFirence: look at the logs |
| 00:07.14 | Riotblade | DawnLight, didnt find any results |
| 00:07.23 | man_in_shack | i'm very confused :( |
| 00:07.38 | dsdsds | is it possible with munin to show statistics like, how many network traffic there was in a month? its important to me to find out how many bandwitdh my server is using during a month. |
| 00:07.40 | console_jockey | squisher: nope. I've run from the grub menu "root (hd,0)" and "setup (hd0,0)" thinking this might tell grub where to look, but that doesn't seem to have fixed it. I can certainly try grub-install |
| 00:07.41 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: snap out of it |
| 00:07.49 | DeFirence | i dont know where to start |
| 00:08.08 | DawnLight | Riotblade: i don't know any, sorry |
| 00:08.10 | squisher | console_jockey: hmm, most likely grub-install is nothing else but a wrapper around that. But I'd give it a shot anyways |
| 00:08.28 | DeFirence | is there anyone here that would be prepared to look at logs over ssh on my test server? :| |
| 00:08.31 | alaQ | ok - I no longer apparently have permission to load /sbin/init - thereby not having any way to boot my box. Can anyone help? |
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| 00:09.15 | DeFirence | haha alaQ: i cant boot into X cause my tmp folder is fucked |
| 00:09.18 | DawnLight | DeFirence: what is the problem |
| 00:09.23 | squisher | cool, my arrow keys just suddenly ceased to function |
| 00:09.24 | console_jockey | squisher: time to give that a test. brb |
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| 00:09.38 | alaQ | DeFirence: at least you have a terminal- I kernel panic on boot. |
| 00:09.57 | DeFirence | http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.jpg <<< the only error u will ever need to be confused for the rest of ur life |
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| 00:10.06 | DeFirence | DawnLight ^^^ |
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| 00:10.55 | DawnLight | DeFirence: how do you start X? |
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| 00:11.07 | DeFirence | boot the machine |
| 00:11.15 | DeFirence | and when i login i get that |
| 00:11.29 | DawnLight | DeFirence: what did you do to your machine? |
| 00:11.44 | DeFirence | ;.( |
| 00:12.01 | DeFirence | i honestly dunno wtf |
| 00:12.30 | xlotlu | DeFirence: try mount -o remount,rw / |
| 00:12.31 | DeFirence | if i cant get this fixed tonite ill have to format |
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| 00:12.46 | DawnLight | DeFirence: does /tmp exists? |
| 00:12.50 | DeFirence | and btw, i only installed debian 2 days ago |
| 00:12.50 | dsdsds | how can i let "top" not be sorted by cpu-usage but by memory-usage? |
| 00:13.04 | alaQ | DeFirence: intriguing. do you have the sticky bit on in the permissions? should be drwxrwxrwt. |
| 00:13.09 | DawnLight | DeFirence: etch? |
| 00:13.37 | DeFirence | umm |
| 00:13.42 | DeFirence | think so? |
| 00:13.47 | dsdsds | how can i let "top" not be sorted by cpu-usage but by memory-usage? :) |
| 00:13.49 | DeFirence | im new to debian hmk |
| 00:14.01 | DeFirence | alaQ: permissions are right |
| 00:14.05 | DeFirence | we checked earlier |
| 00:14.07 | DawnLight | dsdsds: man top |
| 00:14.10 | alaQ | all right. |
| 00:14.15 | dsdsds | DawnLight thx.. |
| 00:14.17 | squisher | dsdsds: look at htop, it's much nicer & easier to use :) |
| 00:14.39 | dsdsds | squisher and how to sort htop by memory.... i got htop.. |
| 00:14.50 | DawnLight | DeFirence: are you using etch? |
| 00:14.59 | DeFirence | if anyone wants to ssh into the server and try figure this out be my guest: nix.defirence.za.net root root |
| 00:15.05 | alaQ | speaking of permissions, my /sbin is filled with permission lines for programs (like /sbin/init) prepended with a question mark. Anyone know how to help on that? |
| 00:15.06 | squisher | dsdsds: use the function keys, it says right at the bottom of the screen (look for sort (-; ) |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | DeFirence: do NOT do that .. EVER |
| 00:15.19 | DeFirence | lol |
| 00:15.27 | DeFirence | im gonna have to format anyways |
| 00:15.29 | DeFirence | :P |
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| 00:16.08 | DawnLight | root |
| 00:16.20 | DawnLight | wrong window |
| 00:16.42 | DeFirence | wrong window? |
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| 00:16.57 | giwe | How do I configure postfix to be an smtp relay in a box inside a firewall with a local IP address? |
| 00:17.07 | DeFirence | i changed my mind, i changed the root password ;p |
| 00:17.24 | DeFirence | if u wanna ssh into the box, pm me and ill give u the pass |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 00:17.50 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
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| 00:18.16 | Roots | I suddenly lost the ability to connect to the internet on my Debian machine (wireless connection). I can access the router's webpage just fine and I get an IP from the router, but can't access any internet sites or complete any ping requests. Any ideas of where I should look for the problem? I haven't had much luck googling :/ |
| 00:18.24 | DeFirence | haha |
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| 00:18.37 | DeFirence | abrotman: its just a test server, im not stupid |
| 00:18.39 | DeFirence | :) |
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| 00:18.58 | squisher | Roots: sounds like a router problem to me. Also check your firewall rules on the machine |
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| 00:19.29 | DeFirence | abrotman: would u like to look at the log? |
| 00:19.31 | DeFirence | :P |
| 00:19.42 | wols | Roots: either your resolver or your defaultroute |
| 00:19.45 | Roots | Nope its definitely not a router problem. I'm online with my ubuntu laptop right now wirelessly, and when I dual-boot to WinXP with that same Debian machine, I have no problems there either |
| 00:20.07 | DawnLight | DeFirence: what are the nx* packages? |
| 00:20.11 | alaQ | Trying to avoid reinstalling because of this kernel panic - help would be appreciated. Kernel panics on not having permissions to load /sbin/init. I checked, and it's permissions (along with others) are prepended with a question mark. What should I do? |
| 00:20.18 | squisher | Roots: then did you check the firewall? Are you running one? |
| 00:20.28 | Roots | I tried looking at /etc/resolv.conf and it was empty, so I added "nameserver 192.168.1.1" (my router's IP addr) and re-ran dhclient, but no use |
| 00:20.35 | Roots | No I'm not running a firewall |
| 00:20.41 | Roots | I like to live dangerously ;) |
| 00:20.53 | DeFirence | DawnLight: nx is a remote gui daemon i use |
| 00:21.02 | DeFirence | ive been using it on suse for years |
| 00:21.06 | wols | Roots: the running of dhclient was wrong |
| 00:21.11 | Dewi | how do I change the uuid of a Logical Volume? |
| 00:21.12 | squisher | Roots: Hm, so can you ping an ip address in internet? |
| 00:21.17 | wols | it might have overwritten your resolv.conf again |
| 00:21.19 | Dewi | pvchange and vgchange both support --uuid |
| 00:21.20 | DeFirence | DawnLight: are u the other root logged on? |
| 00:21.23 | Dewi | but lvchange does not |
| 00:21.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:21.40 | DeFirence | was* |
| 00:21.43 | Roots | squisher: no I can't ping any internet IP |
| 00:21.52 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i saw it isn't in the repos. i logged out. perhaps it is causing the trouble |
| 00:21.53 | wols | Roots: what is the defaultroute? |
| 00:22.04 | Roots | Yeah I think I did a package update and something in there might have overwritten resolv.conf and/or other files |
| 00:22.16 | Roots | wols: the resolv.conf file was totally blank |
| 00:22.26 | Roots | I didn't know what I should set defaultroute to |
| 00:22.26 | DeFirence | DawnLight: its the only thing i installed today, but everything was working fine? |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | so uninstall it |
| 00:22.39 | DawnLight | DeFirence: where did you get those packages? |
| 00:23.03 | slidesinger | Things just got more complicated on my laptop. Right after I get ifplugd doing everything I want with wired and waproamd doing the same with wireless, I end up with a location that does not have DHCP. (Security reasons. To get an IP you have to fill out a four page request form---really) Now I have a static to manage along with the DHCP. Now I could do all this manually, but this is Linux, so I'm sure there is a nifty ha |
| 00:23.51 | DeFirence | DawnLight: http://www.nomachine.com/ - its commercial software, i doubt that would cause the prob? |
| 00:24.03 | abrotman | just uninstall it damn it |
| 00:24.06 | DeFirence | and it was a .deb package i installed |
| 00:24.24 | DeFirence | uninstall nx? |
| 00:24.31 | DawnLight | DeFirence: exactomundo |
| 00:24.34 | DeFirence | kk |
| 00:24.38 | squisher | Roots: what you have is weird. dhclient should set both the nameserver and the default route for you |
| 00:24.49 | wols | DeFirence: before you do anything else: change your fucken root password! |
| 00:24.52 | DeFirence | <abrotman> so uninstall it <-- soz didnt see that |
| 00:24.56 | Roots | yeah :/ |
| 00:25.00 | DawnLight | first time i log in to a stranger's box... |
| 00:25.02 | man_in_shack | http://sorceror.id.au/tmp/network-topology.png << that's what my network looks like |
| 00:25.04 | squisher | Roots: without the default route (it should be set to the router's ip) you of course can't access anything outside the local net |
| 00:25.08 | DawnLight | kind of scary |
| 00:25.09 | wols | sheesh. well, you should actually reinstall the system from backup but you aren't that clever |
| 00:25.19 | abrotman | DeFirence: please use english |
| 00:25.19 | DeFirence | wols: i changed it like 1 second after DawnLight logged it |
| 00:25.20 | DeFirence | in* |
| 00:25.25 | man_in_shack | so i want the desktop to become a brige |
| 00:25.31 | Roots | where do I set the default route? |
| 00:25.31 | squisher | DeFirence: well, 1 sec too late, huh? |
| 00:25.36 | DeFirence | lol |
| 00:25.42 | DeFirence | its a test box ffs ;P |
| 00:25.49 | wols | DeFirence: then reinstall |
| 00:26.20 | squisher | Roots: you can set it with 'route add default <ip>', but what you should really do is try to find out why the dhcp client doesn't set it for you |
| 00:26.22 | DawnLight | DeFirence: find an alternative to those nx things. what do they do? |
| 00:26.32 | DeFirence | i would, but i would like to save it if possible, ive spent 2 days straight (ie nothing else) installing stuff on it |
| 00:26.39 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: nice chart |
| 00:26.49 | wols | DeFirence: this install is compromised, period |
| 00:26.51 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, complete with colour coded subnets :) |
| 00:26.53 | wols | never again trustworthy |
| 00:27.13 | DeFirence | wols: its for TESTING only, dont worry |
| 00:27.21 | DawnLight | wols: i didn't do anything. i wouldn't know what to do anyway |
| 00:27.28 | wols | man_in_shack: make a bridge out of eth0 and eth1, assign an ip to it via dhcp, enable ip_forward |
| 00:27.31 | wols | done |
| 00:27.42 | DeFirence | its so that i can garrantee stability on the real server |
| 00:28.12 | DeFirence | nx is like vnc but made for linux, u can resume old sessions etc, very nice |
| 00:28.18 | Dewi | how do I change the uuid of a Logical Volume? pvchange and vgchange both support --uuid, but lvchange does not? |
| 00:28.23 | Roots | hmm, well it shows my router's IP in default when I do #route |
| 00:28.39 | man_in_shack | wols, i think i understood that :) |
| 00:28.45 | man_in_shack | will try it out |
| 00:28.57 | DeFirence | lol, stupid question, but how do u uninstall packages from terminal? ive never done that before |
| 00:29.01 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: you can use my interfaces. do what i did but change the interfaces |
| 00:29.10 | squisher | Roots: so it was set already, or did you just set it? |
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| 00:29.15 | alaQ | DeFirence: (su/sudo) apt-get remove <packageName> |
| 00:29.22 | DeFirence | kk ta |
| 00:29.35 | Dewi | DeFirence: aptitude |
| 00:29.38 | Dewi | DeFirence: instead of apt-get |
| 00:29.43 | DeFirence | um, how can i search for installed packages? |
| 00:29.48 | Dewi | DeFirence: will better preserve the metadata of your GUI package manager |
| 00:29.50 | DeFirence | cause i dont know the exact name |
| 00:29.52 | Roots | Well I set it but it said "SIOCADDRT: No such device". Then I checked it and it was there. So I'm not sure to be honest |
| 00:30.06 | DawnLight | DeFirence: type in aptitude and use the interface |
| 00:30.09 | Roots | I'm going to do a reboot on this machine now just to make sure |
| 00:30.11 | DeFirence | kk |
| 00:30.22 | man_in_shack | well so far so good |
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| 00:30.51 | DawnLight | DeFirence: don't install proprietary stuff on your shiny debian :) |
| 00:30.56 | slidesinger | DeFirence: apt-get install apt-show-versions |
| 00:30.56 | slidesinger | apt-show-versions > installed_packages |
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| 00:31.47 | DeFirence | DawnLight: nx isnt proprietary!! ive used it for years on suse, never had ay trouble |
| 00:31.53 | DeFirence | any* |
| 00:31.56 | slidesinger | DeFirence: _or_ for one package |
| 00:31.57 | slidesinger | apt-show-versions | grep <some part of the package name> |
| 00:32.05 | DeFirence | lol |
| 00:32.14 | DeFirence | kk slidesinger |
| 00:32.34 | alaQ | that's it - I'm reinstalling. I can't figure this one out. |
| 00:32.36 | Roots | After restarting my router shows up when running #route |
| 00:32.42 | DawnLight | DeFirence: don't install stuff that isn't from the repos. at least not until you know your way around debian |
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| 00:32.55 | slidesinger | alaQ: Can't figure out what? |
| 00:32.57 | danilao | anyone here uses xen on debian ? |
| 00:33.04 | DeFirence | ok DawnLight |
| 00:33.11 | man_in_shack | i suspect broadcasts aren't been routed |
| 00:33.20 | man_in_shack | or bridged or whatever |
| 00:33.45 | Dewi | man_in_shack: they don't get routed, do they? |
| 00:33.54 | man_in_shack | it's hard to tell |
| 00:33.55 | slidesinger | DeFirence: ltsp.org, tons of great stuff about remote access/terminal services |
| 00:33.58 | Dewi | man_in_shack: I think they should be bridged thoughg |
| 00:34.00 | man_in_shack | Desktop has a static ip |
| 00:34.12 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: perhaps you need to echo 1 > /proc/kernel/net/ip_forward or something |
| 00:34.13 | DeFirence | ok |
| 00:34.21 | DeFirence | i just so like nx :( |
| 00:34.22 | DeFirence | lol |
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| 00:35.04 | Dewi | debian does badly need a good GUI remote control |
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| 00:35.10 | Dewi | VNC is never comfortable |
| 00:35.25 | DawnLight | i double that |
| 00:35.41 | slidesinger | Depends on how you use it. NX looks interesting, but with tightvnc for display 0 and LTSP, I can have a whole net of terms that I can remote into for helpdesk like things. |
| 00:35.49 | DawnLight | DeFirence: you have our approval on your motive |
| 00:35.57 | alaQ | slidesinger: i've got a boot issue - namely, I can't. |
| 00:36.18 | man_in_shack | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 00:36.21 | man_in_shack | did that, and no change |
| 00:36.22 | Dewi | slidesinger: a whole net of extremely slow terms |
| 00:36.24 | slidesinger | alaQ: What's the setup? Can you get to grub? |
| 00:36.29 | DeFirence | i cant believe none of u have used nx :O |
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| 00:36.55 | DawnLight | well since debian doesn't have nx, it is reasonable |
| 00:36.56 | DeFirence | if u wiki remote desktop for suse, you get vnc and nx |
| 00:37.09 | Dewi | slidesinger: I have to manually tweak VNC to its lowest settings whenever I use it across the internet. Meanwhile, windows remote desktop feels just like local most of the time |
| 00:37.12 | squisher | DeFirence: nx is great, but it does suck that (at least the client) is proprietory |
| 00:37.15 | alaQ | slidesinger: I can get to grub. on boot, it works up to loading /sbin/init, where it says 'permission denied', and then i get a lovely kernel panic. |
| 00:37.26 | DeFirence | and on nx's site has .deb packages |
| 00:37.33 | DeFirence | so it should work :S |
| 00:37.37 | Dewi | DeFirence: it does? |
| 00:37.43 | slidesinger | Dewi: LTSP provides the terms, very fast on my net. VNC is for remote into the term to take care of stupid user tricks. In the citrix world, they call it shadowing the session. |
| 00:37.48 | DeFirence | nomachine is a commercial company |
| 00:37.49 | squisher | DeFirence: but still, closed source -> no way to fix annoying bugs |
| 00:37.53 | DawnLight | in hebrew we say that "should is a name of a fish" |
| 00:38.09 | DeFirence | squisher: nomachine fixes bugs |
| 00:38.14 | alaQ | slidesinger: after getting in a livecd, I checked /sbin/init. That (and other /sbin files) have a ? prepended to their permissions (like "?-rwxr-xr-x") |
| 00:38.23 | DeFirence | ive never had a problem before with nx |
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| 00:38.27 | alaQ | and so I'm stuck with a non-booting box. |
| 00:38.52 | squisher | DeFirence: that doesn't mean it is bug free :) I have a very annoying issue with it (can't show the client on my 2nd monitor) |
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| 00:39.19 | DeFirence | lol |
| 00:39.33 | DeFirence | but then u have to think... is that really a bug? |
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| 00:39.45 | slidesinger | Both single mode and your backup kernel failed as well? |
| 00:39.52 | alaQ | slidesinger: yep. |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | DeFirence: if you want help with NX .. ask #nx |
| 00:39.56 | squisher | DeFirence: Yes, obviously |
| 00:40.26 | squisher | DeFirence: yeah, this is getting a bit off-topic here :) |
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| 00:40.35 | DawnLight | i'm cold. winter is not far |
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| 00:40.54 | DeFirence | lol, i dont want help with nx, i want help with debian :P |
| 00:41.07 | abrotman | did you uninstall nx ? |
| 00:41.14 | DeFirence | um, when i press g in aptitude it wants to install linux headers |
| 00:41.25 | DeFirence | how do i UNINSTALL ? |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | we already told you |
| 00:41.38 | speckal | when I try to remove evince via synaptic it tells me that I have to remove 'gnome-desktop-environment' too.... that doesn't mean that the entire gnome d.e. depeneds on evince, does it? |
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| 00:42.07 | DawnLight | DeFirence: press F10 and go to help |
| 00:42.16 | DeFirence | kk |
| 00:42.25 | DawnLight | speckal: if you use aptitude you would know everything |
| 00:42.45 | yumigator | I have fglrx installed, but it's still using mesa for OpenGL. How can I use fglrx instead? I'm running testing, with the latest fglrx in non-free (8.40.4-2). |
| 00:42.53 | squisher | speckal: no |
| 00:43.01 | man_in_shack | laptop is still not receiving a dhcp offers from the router |
| 00:43.02 | DeFirence | haha, aptitude has minesweeper :P |
| 00:43.21 | lightning | i have 5 sata drives and a sata cdrom. If I have a CD in the sata cdrom, all of the sata mappings become screwed up and I'm unable to boot linux. If I do not have anythin in the cdrom, linux will boot. The bios only allows auto or none for the drive specifications. any ideas of how i can solve this? |
| 00:44.45 | DawnLight | DeFirence: no doubt! |
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| 00:45.09 | Roots | Ok I fixed my network problem temporarily |
| 00:45.09 | speckal | squisher: so gnome-desktop-environment isn't really a package... just a way to install a bunch of packages... then deinstalling it will not really remove anything? |
| 00:45.27 | Roots | The problem was with resolv.conf being blank. I had to add nameserver {routerIP} in there |
| 00:45.39 | alaQ | slidesinger: any ideas? |
| 00:45.50 | Roots | But whenever I run dhclient, it automatically empties the contents of resolv.conf so I have to manually enter it again |
| 00:45.51 | squisher | speckal: exactly right. It's a meta-package, which only has the purpose of pulling in other packages through its dependencies |
| 00:45.59 | Roots | i'll look into that I guess |
| 00:46.06 | speckal | ty :) |
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| 00:46.41 | slidesinger | alaQ: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rescuecd/ |
| 00:46.42 | slidesinger | http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ |
| 00:47.14 | slidesinger | I'd try one of those as they both claim to be able to rescue a system with no working kernel. |
| 00:47.16 | DeFirence | if it is nx thats causing the problem im gonna find out why and fix it |
| 00:47.40 | DeFirence | i need nx for debian, else i mite have to go back to suse :/ |
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| 00:48.24 | DawnLight | DeFirence: gl |
| 00:48.37 | DeFirence | ive uninstalled nx finally |
| 00:48.42 | man_in_shack | looks like no requests going into eth1 on the desktop are going through to the router |
| 00:48.42 | DeFirence | and its rebooting :)( |
| 00:48.44 | alaQ | it's not an issue with the kernel though - it's the permissions on /sbin/init which is causing it. I've rebuilt the initrd, tried booting sans initrd, and nothing has worked. |
| 00:49.14 | karsten | man_in_shack: routing? |
| 00:49.15 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: show your interfaces |
| 00:49.31 | squisher | alaQ: no clue exactly about your problem (unfortunately), but did you follow up on that ? in the permissions? That sounds suspicious to me :) |
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| 00:49.46 | Ryan52 | Is there any package in debian like the ubuntu package called ubuntu-restricted-extras that is a metapackage that includes all of the stuff so you can use mp3, java, flash, use microsoft fonts, etc |
| 00:49.54 | man_in_shack | http://rafb.net/p/uKrO4H47.html |
| 00:50.15 | alaQ | squisher: i've looked around ,but haven't found anything. apparently, no one tags "?-rwxr-xr-x" in google :) |
| 00:50.20 | slidesinger | alaQ: Then try this, boot your live CD, check the perms on /sbin/init as used by the CD, then chmod /sbin/init on your box to match. |
| 00:50.35 | squisher | alaQ: :-) Yeah, I hate problems that are hard to google... |
| 00:50.35 | DeFirence | !nx |
| 00:50.36 | dpkg | nx is probably http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
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| 00:50.37 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: try commenting out the bridge_maxweight |
| 00:50.49 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: i mean wait |
| 00:50.59 | DeFirence | lol, the bot is right! Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. |
| 00:51.00 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, no difference, just takes longer to get br0 up |
| 00:51.20 | DeFirence | nx connects to ssh too :) |
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| 00:52.38 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.57 | DeFirence | it works now |
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| 00:53.00 | DeFirence | it was nx |
| 00:53.03 | Ryan52 | Is there any package in debian like the ubuntu package called ubuntu-restricted-extras that is a metapackage that includes all of the stuff so you can use mp3, java, flash, use microsoft fonts, etc |
| 00:53.12 | karsten | I guess I'm proof that Linux is fast. |
| 00:53.14 | abrotman | mp3 isn't a problem |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | !tell Ryan52 about flash |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | !tell Ryan52 about install java |
| 00:53.27 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: i didn't know you can put multiple interfaces after an "auto" |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | !tell Ryan52 about non-free |
| 00:53.39 | karsten | FTL, even. I'm currently running 68 years in the past. |
| 00:53.40 | Ryan52 | thanks |
| 00:53.47 | karsten | Talk about yesterday's OS. |
| 00:54.03 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, well now you do 8) |
| 00:54.14 | karsten | 1939 called, and it wants its OS of the future back. |
| 00:54.14 | alaQ | slidesinger, squisher: thanks for your help. I'll see what I can do. And if not, I just hope it doesn't happen again. :) |
| 00:54.17 | squisher | alaQ: what happens if you chmod your /sbin/init to the correct permissions? Does the ? remain there? |
| 00:54.25 | alaQ | squisher: yeah. |
| 00:54.39 | DawnLight | DeFirence: huh! knew what to look for! |
| 00:54.47 | DeFirence | lol |
| 00:54.49 | squisher | alaQ: Hmm, I couldn't find anything about it on google either. That's weird, I'm curious now what that means |
| 00:54.49 | DeFirence | ta DawnLight |
| 00:54.53 | karsten | Ryan52: Not AFAIK. The packages themselves are available seperately. |
| 00:55.08 | DeFirence | hope u didnt plant too many trojans on there :P |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | !tell DeFirence about u |
| 00:55.25 | DeFirence | need the box for about a week still |
| 00:55.41 | alaQ | squisher: if you ever find it, let me know. First time this has happened to me on a box in 6-ish years. |
| 00:55.55 | squisher | alaQ: will do |
| 00:55.57 | karsten | squisher: Any files showing '?' for perms other than /sbin/init? |
| 00:55.57 | DeFirence | haha, sorry abrotman |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | not funny |
| 00:56.08 | karsten | squisher: That smells like filesystem damage to me. Bad inode data. |
| 00:56.15 | DeFirence | i doubt ill ever get out of the habit |
| 00:56.23 | alaQ | squisher: and, of course, my portable HD has gone on the fritz right around the same time. :/ |
| 00:56.26 | squisher | karsten: I see, interesting. It's alaQ that has the problem, I'm just trying to help |
| 00:56.33 | karsten | squisher: Ah. |
| 00:56.51 | squisher | alaQ: bad luck comes in chunks (see karsten's msg) |
| 00:57.00 | man_in_shack | if i set the laptop to use a static ip on the same subnet as the desktop, i can ping the desktop but nothing else |
| 00:57.04 | alaQ | squisher: so I see. |
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| 00:57.20 | karsten | alaQ: Does 'dmesg' (or /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern.log) show any filesystem errors? |
| 00:57.46 | monkeyBox | Are there any alternatives to NFS mounting that are as fast as NFS? I'm finding NFS to be unreliable |
| 00:57.54 | alaQ | karsten: it would if i didn't kernel panic on boot, because of lack of permissions in /sbin/init (which causes the question in the first place) |
| 00:58.04 | man_in_shack | monkeyBox, sftp/sshfs? :) |
| 00:58.16 | squisher | alaQ: but you should see the same fs errors when you mount it from a livecd |
| 00:58.18 | karsten | alaQ: 'drive seek complete error' or similar . |
| 00:58.25 | karsten | alaQ: Boot a rescue disk then. |
| 00:58.31 | alaQ | karsten: didn't see any of that. |
| 00:58.48 | monkeyBox | man_in_shack: doesn't ssh have a lot of overhead? |
| 00:58.50 | Strogg | Hah.. Found my problem. cripes. The tiniest little typo. |
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| 00:59.08 | man_in_shack | monkeyBox, no idea heh |
| 00:59.18 | Strogg | I was setting my cert lifetime for -365 days instead of 265 days. |
| 00:59.18 | squisher | monkeyBox: if you want to call encryption overhead, then yes :-) |
| 00:59.48 | squisher | monkeyBox: so its likely to be slower, obviously |
| 00:59.48 | monkeyBox | squisher: yeah, I'm looking for something that's fast enough to carry HD video :-p |
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| 01:00.09 | monkeyBox | I guess I won't know for sure until I try though :-p |
| 01:00.23 | squisher | monkeyBox: Might work, if the CPU can keep up ;-) But on my box it can't :-( |
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| 01:00.24 | karsten | monkeyBox: What sort of overhead are you concerned about? There's session setup, encryption, decryption, and compression. All add a bit to lag. |
| 01:00.34 | man_in_shack | http://rafb.net/p/iAw1rb22.html << desktop's ifconfig output |
| 01:00.38 | man_in_shack | does that look normal? |
| 01:01.10 | karsten | monkeyBox: In most cases, other sources of network lossitude are going to be more significant. Realtime video or audio streaming may suck, but that's why $DEITY invented buffering. |
| 01:02.04 | squisher | karsten: but HD decoding can take up a LOT of cpu... on my a64 3000+ it's often 80%, sometimes even looses sync because the CPU can't keep up. Ie. then you don't want ssh overhead.... |
| 01:02.10 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: well, i don't have a tun iface but that could be because the bridged box isn't on |
| 01:02.29 | karsten | squisher: Then buffer the datastream. |
| 01:02.29 | squisher | monkeyBox: what problems do you have with nfs anyways? I don't like it, but it works just fine here |
| 01:02.38 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, i think that's ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel |
| 01:02.59 | squisher | karsten: it's not network lag that's the problem, it's that ssh decryption does use up some cpu time, which is already scarce |
| 01:03.24 | monkeyBox | squisher: basically, on my mythtv box, sometimes it mounts, sometimes it doesn't.. it's kindof sporadic. I get a lot of timeout errors |
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| 01:03.29 | karsten | squisher: I've no idea what the specifics of your particular application is. If you're looking for a low-overhead network transmission mechanism, *and* security of the datastream isn't a problem, I'm a huge fan of netcat. |
| 01:03.49 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: try ##networking perhaps. some wizards there |
| 01:04.06 | squisher | karsten: monkeyBox and I were talking about HD video. My guess would be that netcat is fast, but wouldn't allow seeking in the video file |
| 01:04.17 | karsten | squisher: netcat between hosts is pretty damned close to piping between processes. You've just got kernel packet overhead. |
| 01:04.38 | karsten | squisher: And ssh would how? |
| 01:04.42 | DeFirence | wow, its 3:05am already :/ |
| 01:04.54 | DawnLight | DeFirence: israel? |
| 01:05.00 | squisher | karsten: yeah, I should do that more often, though not for video. Thanks :) |
| 01:05.02 | DeFirence | South Africa |
| 01:05.21 | DawnLight | straight up north of you, DeFirence |
| 01:05.29 | DeFirence | hehe |
| 01:05.30 | DeFirence | :) |
| 01:05.32 | squisher | karsten: sshfs would work fine, just has the overhead (encryption is not really necessary for video files) |
| 01:05.46 | DeFirence | last nite i got to bed at 11am this morning :| |
| 01:05.47 | monkeyBox | I just need to be able to mount my video directory, and have it reliably re-connect if I reboot the client |
| 01:05.55 | DeFirence | only had 6 hours of sleep |
| 01:06.01 | DeFirence | so im pretty screwed |
| 01:06.02 | monkeyBox | and for whatever reason, NFS isn't working well for me |
| 01:06.03 | DeFirence | lol |
| 01:06.17 | squisher | monkeyBox: timeout errors are weird... maybe you should look into why that is happening. My client always gets rebooted every day, and it mounts nfs just fine |
| 01:06.22 | DawnLight | DeFirence: but #debian has a way of pulling one in |
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| 01:07.08 | DeFirence | haha |
| 01:07.32 | DawnLight | i'm getting fat from all this keyboard time |
| 01:07.47 | DeFirence | im trying to decide if i should try FreeNX on debian? |
| 01:08.00 | karsten | squisher: If the problem is that time, capacity, and latency of the system(s) in question, invest in real hardware. |
| 01:08.03 | DawnLight | there is a free one? |
| 01:08.25 | DeFirence | ye |
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| 01:08.41 | DeFirence | no machine makes the semifree commercial one |
| 01:08.48 | DeFirence | and then u get FreeNX |
| 01:08.55 | squisher | karsten: yeah, I too wished I had money to upgrade :) Nah, I'm not having any problems. monkeyBox was searching for an alternative to nfs to watch HD videos over the network, but AFAIK there isn't really one |
| 01:09.09 | DeFirence | i think i know why nomachine nx screwed up on debian though |
| 01:09.37 | karsten | squisher: If the problem is lack of budget, engineer a solution that works within your budget. |
| 01:09.44 | karsten | squisher: Either way, not my problem, kthxbye |
| 01:09.55 | DeFirence | what happened is the machine froze so i was disconnected from my nx session, then i restarted and i think that screwed up the session data |
| 01:09.57 | monkeyBox | wierd, when I mount w/ sshfs, my dir looks like this: |
| 01:09.57 | monkeyBox | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? videos |
| 01:10.05 | squisher | karsten: yeah, thanks for the input though :) |
| 01:10.19 | DeFirence | ill try freenx i suppose |
| 01:10.37 | monkeyBox | oh nm, seems to work now |
| 01:10.45 | monkeyBox | I'm gonna try out sshfs |
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| 01:10.56 | abrotman | make it stop ... |
| 01:11.16 | speckal | in my /etc/network/interfaces I have eth1 set up to use a static IP. when I do /etc/init.d/network restart it _always_ brings in a DHCP address. why is it ignoring my interfaces file? |
| 01:11.48 | DeFirence | DawnLight: if u wanna look at freenx... http://freenx.berlios.de/ |
| 01:12.06 | abrotman | !tell DeFirence about u |
| 01:12.28 | DeFirence | sorry abrotman!! :( |
| 01:12.38 | DawnLight | already there, DeFirence, but i don't like foreign debs |
| 01:12.47 | DeFirence | lol |
| 01:13.11 | squisher | speckal: did you check if you have two definitions for eth1 in interfaces? |
| 01:13.33 | DeFirence | the main thinks about nx is: it uses ssh, works with sessions and gives local speeds on high latency connections |
| 01:13.36 | DawnLight | !tell DeFirence about abrotman |
| 01:13.46 | gikid | Hey, anybody looking for a cheap VPS? |
| 01:14.06 | speckal | squisher: my entire interfaces file... auto lo iface lo inet loopback allow-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet static (address, netmask, gateway follow that) auto eth1 |
| 01:14.12 | speckal | that's it |
| 01:14.48 | speckal | !tell me about me |
| 01:14.54 | squisher | speckal: not sure, try ifdown eth1; ifup --verbose eth1 |
| 01:15.00 | DawnLight | !speckal |
| 01:15.06 | squisher | speckal: and see what it actually does |
| 01:15.44 | DeFirence | !tell DeFirence about speckal |
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| 01:15.54 | DeFirence | lol! |
| 01:16.02 | speckal | squisher: that config'd the interface perfectly. the init.d networking script does not |
| 01:16.07 | DeFirence | !speckal |
| 01:16.08 | dpkg | from memory, speckal is ok |
| 01:16.16 | speckal | lol |
| 01:16.31 | DeFirence | haha |
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| 01:17.04 | squisher | speckal: AFAIK /etc/init.d/networks restart does nothing else but call ifdown/up. Running sh -x /etc/init.d/networks restart might give a clue (pipe to less, you might get lost in the output) |
| 01:17.07 | DawnLight | DeFirence: dpkg is out biggest asset here, aside from some talented debian debuggers |
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| 01:17.35 | DawnLight | !tell DeFirence about self tell |
| 01:18.01 | DawnLight | !tell DeFirence about self-tell |
| 01:18.07 | DeFirence | dpkg's scipt folder must be GB's |
| 01:18.08 | DeFirence | :P |
| 01:18.14 | DeFirence | script* |
| 01:18.30 | DawnLight | i assume it would be a database |
| 01:18.31 | asg | DeFirence: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 01:18.54 | asg | DeFirence: not large at all |
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| 01:19.17 | kire | Hi! What does the parameter '@$' in an openssl-order? |
| 01:19.23 | DeFirence | i think ubotu has an even bigger db |
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| 01:19.30 | DeFirence | !ubotu |
| 01:19.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubotu is the #ubuntu bot, which is also a blootbot like me. |
| 01:19.35 | stew | 23M /var/lib/mysql/blootbot |
| 01:20.04 | drmitch | everytime, and i mean EVERY TIME, i restart my computer, the 2 capture cards and my webcam change video devices... /dev/video[0-2], how can i make it always assign the same device to the same capture card? |
| 01:20.08 | DawnLight | stew: you have access to that? |
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| 01:20.15 | abrotman | DawnLight: everyone does |
| 01:20.27 | DawnLight | wha |
| 01:20.30 | stew | DawnLight: i replicate dpkgs database daily to keep http://dpkg.vireo.org up to date |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | DawnLight: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 01:20.45 | asg | abrotman: we've done that one already |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | asg: to someone else .. apparently the other didn't catch it |
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| 01:21.27 | squisher | drmitch: don't know the details, but you should look into udev (ie. /etc/udev) |
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| 01:21.52 | rdz | hi all. what could be the reason, that cron cannot execute a script correctly, but when i start from commandline, oit works? |
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| 01:22.08 | squisher | rdz: different PATH settings? |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | rdz: what is the name and where is it? |
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| 01:22.18 | asg | rdz: probably environmental differences |
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| 01:23.03 | dondelelcaro | or it's actually executing it, but it's not doing what you think it should be doing |
| 01:23.39 | drmitch | thanks squisher |
| 01:23.45 | DeFirence | DawnLight: do u think this looks right? http://packages.debianbase.de/etch/i386/nx/freenx_0.4.4+0.4.5-3_all.deb |
| 01:23.57 | squisher | drmitch: np, I hope you'll figure it out! |
| 01:23.59 | DeFirence | i have a tendency to download wrong things |
| 01:24.02 | rdz | squisher, abrotman, asg, dondelelcaro thanks for your suggestions. |
| 01:24.08 | rdz | i tried an absolut path.. |
| 01:24.24 | DawnLight | DeFirence: add their repo to the sources.list |
| 01:24.33 | DeFirence | ok |
| 01:24.35 | dondelelcaro | rdz: then it'd help if you told us what exactly the crontab line was and which crontab it was in |
| 01:24.37 | DeFirence | :) |
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| 01:25.59 | rdz | dondelelcaro, the script is this: http://www.romanhaefeli.net/rsk_recorder.txt |
| 01:26.30 | rdz | and the line from crontab -e: * * * * * /home/akita/radiosolarkompass/rsk_recorder.sh |
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| 01:26.38 | smacnay | Hi, I a looking for a portable music player that is well supported in linux and plays ogg files. Anyone here have a recommendation? |
| 01:26.49 | dondelelcaro | rdz: and how do you know it's not being run? |
| 01:27.07 | dondelelcaro | rdz: what does /var/log/auth.log say? |
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| 01:27.41 | rdz | dondelelcaro, it is supposed to write an mp3 file eac time, when it is executed... when starting te script manually, it works.. it writes a new mp3 file tagged with date/time |
| 01:27.55 | rdz | dondelelcaro, didn't ceck that yet... one se |
| 01:27.56 | rdz | sec |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | rdz: what's the name of the script and where is it sitting? |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | comments in german!? |
| 01:28.48 | Azar | hey warum nicht? |
| 01:28.49 | abrotman | smacnay: i thought the theora website had them listed |
| 01:28.56 | Azar | :) |
| 01:29.08 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - I will look there... |
| 01:29.18 | rdz | abrotman, it is the path that i used in the crontab line i posted before |
| 01:29.25 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, ##networking appears to be asleep |
| 01:29.39 | nootoyahora | somebody has made a dial in ppp server? I'm getting a lot of trouble with pap secrets |
| 01:29.39 | dondelelcaro | rdz: and it's +x and the filesystem it's on isn't mounted noexec? |
| 01:29.40 | abrotman | rdz: ah .. missed it .. sorry |
| 01:29.47 | rdz | /home/akita/radiosolarkompass/rsk_recorder.sh |
| 01:29.49 | Tarka | Are there any known issues with X or Gnome keymaps at the moment? |
| 01:29.52 | speckal | okay, people. I dunno. http://pastebin.ca/748710 it tries to assign a static IP but I end up with a DHCP ip |
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| 01:30.22 | Tarka | A lot of normal keys are not working after the last sid update |
| 01:30.29 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: when someone answers, he usually knows his networking in that channel. and from experience they know debian |
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| 01:30.53 | rdz | dondelelcaro, what is +x? the script? yeah, i can run it manually with the exaxt same command as in crontab -e. when i do: |
| 01:30.56 | rdz | /home/akita/radiosolarkompass/rsk_recorder.sh |
| 01:30.58 | rdz | it works |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | rdz: +x is a permissions you set with chmod |
| 01:31.13 | dondelelcaro | rdz: and what does auth.log say? Has the crontab mailed you? |
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| 01:31.55 | rdz | dondelelcaro, yo, exactly, crontab mails me each minute, that the process couldn't be killed, no such process |
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| 01:32.07 | rdz | this is because of the kill command in the script |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | rdz: so it is running |
| 01:32.50 | rdz | abrotman, thanks, i know, i meant which files is supposed to be +x, but actually it is obvious that the script was meant |
| 01:33.01 | rdz | abrotman, sorry |
| 01:33.01 | dondelelcaro | rdz: uh... so the script is running |
| 01:33.06 | man_in_shack | hmm ... |
| 01:33.10 | rdz | you are correct and i was inaccurate |
| 01:33.23 | rdz | but mplayer is not running for some reasone |
| 01:33.27 | DeFirence | DawnLight: im not having much luck adding that repository :? |
| 01:33.44 | DeFirence | what line am i supposed to add |
| 01:33.47 | DawnLight | DeFirence: see your other repos as examples |
| 01:33.55 | DeFirence | no, i know |
| 01:34.00 | DeFirence | but it doesnt work |
| 01:34.04 | dondelelcaro | rdz: is mplayer in your path? what does the script output if you run it with set -x? |
| 01:34.18 | DawnLight | DeFirence: check yourself |
| 01:34.36 | rdz | dondelelcaro, abrotman: mplayer is supposed to run in the background, could this be the reason, that it gets kiled, immediately after the script is executed by crontab? |
| 01:34.49 | DeFirence | i tried http://packages.debianbase.de etch main, http://packages.debianbase.de etch... etc |
| 01:34.55 | DeFirence | they dont work |
| 01:34.57 | rdz | dondelelcaro, thats it |
| 01:35.10 | rdz | mplayer is not in te path...... i'll check... one second.... |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | you might need to nohup it ? |
| 01:35.14 | Azar | DeFirence: maybe the package is NOT MEANT for your Debian version man |
| 01:35.26 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 01:35.35 | rdz | abrotman, what is 'to nohup' ? |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | !Nohup |
| 01:35.40 | Azar | You can't allways get what you want . |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | rdz: nohup |
| 01:35.49 | abrotman | erm .. man nohup :) |
| 01:35.57 | rdz | abrotman, haha |
| 01:35.59 | rdz | thanks... |
| 01:36.23 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, hey, got it working :D |
| 01:36.39 | Azar | DeFirence: clean up your /etc/apt/sources.list to a decent , clean state, then when you want a package you only do : apt-cache search packagename |
| 01:36.43 | man_in_shack | DawnLight, http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Net:Bridge#No_traffic_gets_trough_.28except_ARP_and_STP.29 << that was the problem |
| 01:36.51 | Azar | if the package is not there, is not for your Debian version |
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| 01:37.24 | DeFirence | Azar: all i wanted to do was add another repository like DawnLight said i should? |
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| 01:37.36 | monkeyBox | Wow, looks like sshfs works fine w/ HD video :-) |
| 01:37.50 | DawnLight | man_in_shack: congrats |
| 01:37.57 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 01:37.57 | Azar | DeFirence: if your Debian version does not support "that package" , don't even bother adding another repository |
| 01:37.58 | MrTelephone | I rsynced a system to another system same mainboard but now eth0 and eth1 shows up as eth1 and eth2 |
| 01:38.07 | MrTelephone | any idea why its doing that? |
| 01:38.22 | DeFirence | Azar: its a debian package?!?!? |
| 01:38.28 | kgoetz | MrTelephone: mac addresses |
| 01:38.42 | Azar | DawnLight: do you think that if a package not found on the Debian's repositories , someone needs to add another, 3rd party repo? |
| 01:38.46 | MrTelephone | but there is only 2 network cards |
| 01:38.46 | kgoetz | in the absense of iftab, i dont know how to fix it though (let me know when you find out!) |
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| 01:39.00 | squisher | MrTelephone: yeah it's some udev rules that are statically generated |
| 01:39.04 | Azar | DeFirence: how do you know? just because is a .deb? NO WAY |
| 01:39.08 | MrTelephone | dmesg says that they are eth0 and eth1 but in /proc/net/dev they show up eth2 and eth3 |
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| 01:39.15 | MrTelephone | ok |
| 01:39.43 | DeFirence | someone in #nx said that they use freenx on debian |
| 01:39.44 | squisher | MrTelephone: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 01:39.44 | DawnLight | Azar: he wants to install that thing |
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| 01:40.06 | Azar | there are .deb packages at sourceforge but if is not included in the official Debian repositories, it might not work |
| 01:40.20 | MrTelephone | squisher, how did you know about that? heh |
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| 01:40.24 | abrotman | there are alternatives to nx |
| 01:40.27 | MrTelephone | its storing the old cards |
| 01:40.32 | rdz | dondelelcaro, abrotman... thank you very much... it was the path of mplayer... i compiled it myself and it is installed in /usr/local/bin ... somehow crontab has its own searchpathes and /usr/loca/ doesn't seem to be part of it |
| 01:40.36 | Azar | DawnLight: then he should follow the "darn package" documentation of how is to be installed |
| 01:40.49 | squisher | MrTelephone: I had the same problem a while back, knew it was udev handling it and looked through /etc/udev |
| 01:40.52 | DawnLight | no doubt |
| 01:40.53 | nootoyahora | somebody has made a dial in ppp server? I'm getting a lot of trouble with pap secrets |
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| 01:41.03 | rdz | it would have taken me hours to figure out that myself |
| 01:41.21 | MrTelephone | squisher, you saved me a lot of time there |
| 01:41.24 | MrTelephone | thanks |
| 01:41.26 | squisher | MrTelephone: np |
| 01:41.27 | Azar | DeFirence: on your own... outside packages installation are _not_ supported and maintained by Debian teams |
| 01:41.56 | kgoetz | squisher: woot. *saves path* |
| 01:42.00 | DeFirence | *sigh* fine |
| 01:42.18 | squisher | kgoetz: :) |
| 01:42.21 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 01:42.32 | Azar | DeFirence: you could look on the official Debian packages site and find something "similar" that is supported |
| 01:42.36 | MrTelephone | I hate this remote rebooting |
| 01:42.41 | MrTelephone | sometimes the crap doesn't come back online |
| 01:42.42 | MrTelephone | heh |
| 01:43.12 | DeFirence | Azar: there are 2 flavours of nx, freenx and nomachine nx |
| 01:43.15 | dondelelcaro | MrTelephone: that's why you buy machines with serial consoles |
| 01:43.18 | DawnLight | DeFirence: look for an alternative like abrotman said. you could install that foreign package, just be aware of the possible issues |
| 01:43.24 | mmlj4-work | i've got an etch box, I get pam errors when trying to check mail (qpopper installed), brand-new install, started with minimal netinst... ideas? |
| 01:43.47 | DeFirence | well ive used nx on suse for years without a problem |
| 01:43.48 | MrTelephone | dondelelcaro, too busy buying new servers to afford that |
| 01:43.51 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 01:43.56 | smacnay | abrotman: seems that theora lists software players but wiki might have a list of hardware players and which codecs are supported |
| 01:44.10 | abrotman | smacnay: i figured |
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| 01:44.19 | Azar | DeFirence: browse the package lists category that are for _your_ Debian version here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 01:44.49 | Azar | DeFirence: for sure there will be there a package that will have similar functions/features for you |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | doesn't kde have some remote desktop thing builtin ? |
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| 01:45.27 | DeFirence | as i said, theres only 2 nx's ill take a look if one of those 2 are there tho :) |
| 01:46.00 | DeFirence | nx is the only fast, secure and session enabled remote x software for linux :) |
| 01:46.07 | DawnLight | abrotman: it is vnc/rdc |
| 01:46.22 | abrotman | he just wants a freaking remote desktop .. vnc and rdp should both work find |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | fine |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | even remote X |
| 01:46.42 | Azar | abrotman: we got vnc too? I thought only mswin has it |
| 01:46.45 | dondelelcaro | MrTelephone: most good server boards come iwth it |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | Azar: you mean RDP ? |
| 01:46.57 | DawnLight | abrotman: look above. he wants features |
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| 01:47.08 | dondelelcaro | MrTelephone: and the post-bios serial console is pretty trivial |
| 01:47.11 | Azar | abrotman: yea if that means something like vnc |
| 01:47.13 | DawnLight | i'd want features too if i were using remote desktop |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | DawnLight: then he should ask *them* how to use that crap |
| 01:47.42 | DawnLight | no doubt and it probably isn't crappish if he wants it so much |
| 01:47.45 | DeFirence | its fine guys, thanks for your help tho :) |
| 01:48.02 | Azar | secure hmmm.... we humans are in beta mode when it comes to IT security like someone smart said |
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| 01:48.24 | dondelelcaro | admins who can't handle command lines don't touch any of my machines |
| 01:48.25 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: my sister does |
| 01:48.25 | Azar | our brains are underevolved when it comes to security |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | DawnLight: no .. people get used to things .. and they won't change .. there's no reason he couldn't use rdp or vnc |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | DawnLight: your sister touches his machines ? |
| 01:49.04 | DawnLight | my sister likes it when i show her how to do stuff using remote desktop |
| 01:49.04 | Azar | hahaha |
| 01:50.20 | squisher | abrotman: there is a real difference between vnc & nx, unfortunately. NX gives you useable speed, while vnc often doesn't. Too bad it's proprietory |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | squisher: vnc isn't that bad .. neither is rdp |
| 01:50.53 | Azar | squisher: both, nx and vnc are proprietary |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | vnc is? |
| 01:51.07 | DawnLight | what is it with them proprietary developers! |
| 01:51.16 | squisher | Azar: but for vnc there are open source implementations of both server & client, right? |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | yes there are |
| 01:51.23 | Azar | DawnLight: voluntary slaves? |
| 01:51.37 | Azar | squisher: I would think so |
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| 01:51.44 | DeFirence | abrotman: vnc is THAT bad if u try nx |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | i use vnc quite a bit |
| 01:51.53 | DeFirence | vnc is very very slow and kak :/ |
| 01:52.01 | DawnLight | kak? haha |
| 01:52.06 | squisher | abrotman: IMHO there's quite a difference |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | and honestly .. i just can't value the judgement of someone that can't spell "you" |
| 01:52.13 | DeFirence | nx is 90% like being in front of the pc |
| 01:52.26 | Azar | DeFirence: moving to Debian requires a bit of mental exercise: pretend you move into a total different world, adapt to it |
| 01:52.38 | MrTelephone | those asus nclv-d2 boards are nice |
| 01:52.44 | MrTelephone | but it looks like they are hard to find now? |
| 01:52.46 | DeFirence | lol Azar |
| 01:53.08 | DeFirence | i could always compile freenx from source |
| 01:53.09 | DeFirence | :P |
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| 01:53.27 | Azar | DeFirence: indeed only this way you start feeling happy and fortunate, when you grow with Debian in heart and mind. |
| 01:53.57 | DawnLight | Azar: you'll scare him |
| 01:53.58 | Azar | so this freenx is somehow proprietary blog? |
| 01:54.07 | Azar | blob* ? |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | DeFirence: just curious, can you paste in a paster the content of your sources.list file? |
| 01:54.52 | DeFirence | well, i prefer nomachine nx cause it is brilliant on suse, but freenx should be just as good |
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| 01:55.41 | DeFirence | Azar: i can tell u the contents... debian repository and the multimedia 1 |
| 01:56.14 | gridl0ck | i know this is not a supported question, just wondering if there is an quick answer to this, vmware is saying my gcc version is not support (running lenny) gcc version 4.1.3 and vmware6 needs version 4.2.3 - if i proceed with it changing my gcc will that end have a serious impact on my dist. just a yes/no would be ok - thanks (: |
| 01:56.33 | abrotman | more than likely .. yes |
| 01:56.37 | gridl0ck | ok thanks |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | !info vmware-package lenny |
| 01:56.51 | gridl0ck | just paid $189 for nothing |
| 01:56.54 | dpkg | vmware-package: (utility for building VMware Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is extra. Version: 0.16 (lenny), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 432 kB |
| 01:57.03 | Azar | DeFirence: I am looking for your spells there... you can use a paster |
| 01:57.03 | gridl0ck | ah thanks abrotman |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | gridl0ck: i'm sure it can be made to work .. have you asked #vmware ? |
| 01:57.06 | Azar | !paste |
| 01:57.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:57.27 | gridl0ck | abrotman, tried the question there - no one seems to be alive at the moment |
| 01:57.42 | abrotman | gridl0ck: they're all watching baseball! |
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| 01:57.55 | gridl0ck | oye - ppl still watch that sport? <ducks> |
| 01:58.08 | mmlj4-work | what would cause PAM to fail when checking mail off an etch box? |
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| 01:59.21 | abrotman | gridl0ck: wait .. i have 4.2.3 in lenny |
| 01:59.22 | DeFirence | http://rafb.net/p/RP44Wb98.html |
| 01:59.23 | moefoe | (mumble) mouse chewing thru cable (mumble) |
| 01:59.24 | gridl0ck | Azar, no need for informing me of paste limit - i typed that out - and it was exactly 3 lines ;p |
| 01:59.44 | DeFirence | amg its 4am :/ |
| 01:59.50 | gridl0ck | abrotman, hmm wonder why i'm using 4.1.3 |
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| 02:00.01 | Azar | DeFirence: I could help you if you show me your... hmmm.. oh yes! source.list |
| 02:00.01 | abrotman | gridl0ck: gcc --version .. what does it return for you ? |
| 02:00.01 | gridl0ck | Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing (lenny) |
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| 02:00.08 | Azar | gridl0ck: it wasn't about your lines :) |
| 02:00.23 | DeFirence | <DeFirence> http://rafb.net/p/RP44Wb98.html |
| 02:00.29 | gridl0ck | abrotman, odd it says 4.2.3 |
| 02:00.32 | Azar | oh sorry didn't see it holdon |
| 02:00.37 | gridl0ck | abrotman, guess it's just a warning |
| 02:00.51 | gridl0ck | Azar, sorry Azar thought i was being put in line (: |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | gridl0ck: does it just keep going ? |
| 02:01.04 | DawnLight | DeFirence: uncomment your security repos |
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| 02:01.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:01.13 | gridl0ck | abrotman, i stopped it just to be sure |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | gridl0ck: oh ok |
| 02:01.23 | DeFirence | whats that going to help? :S |
| 02:01.35 | gridl0ck | abrotman, nothing worse than breaking a running dist. |
| 02:01.53 | abrotman | gridl0ck: it is "testing" :) |
| 02:02.01 | gridl0ck | abrotman, except for being married - (; |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | especially if it's your wife's machine you just broke :) |
| 02:02.32 | Azar | DeFirence: I will show you back how you need to have it correct and clean, then help with freenx |
| 02:02.34 | gridl0ck | abrotman, indeed (; |
| 02:02.44 | DawnLight | DeFirence: in general |
| 02:02.53 | DeFirence | ok |
| 02:02.55 | gridl0ck | abrotman, thanks for the info. will go ahead with install |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:05.08 | DawnLight | off to play some DiRT! |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | DawnLight: isn't it like .. 6am there ? |
| 02:05.40 | DawnLight | 4 |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:05.46 | DeFirence | 4:07 |
| 02:05.49 | DawnLight | :D |
| 02:05.49 | DeFirence | ;( |
| 02:06.03 | DawnLight | oh darn |
| 02:06.10 | Azar | DeFirence: http://rafb.net/p/JuzjPr68.html |
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| 02:06.49 | DeFirence | ok |
| 02:06.55 | DeFirence | whats the real difference? |
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| 02:07.42 | Azar | DeFirence: it's as it should be with security line enabled as well, and non-free contrib added |
| 02:07.58 | Azar | DeFirence: now here is your stuff: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/freenx.htm |
| 02:08.04 | DeFirence | ya, but what does that do :P |
| 02:08.10 | DeFirence | oooooh! |
| 02:08.21 | Azar | DeFirence: installs the security patches man |
| 02:08.47 | DeFirence | not on this box |
| 02:08.57 | DeFirence | waste of time and bandwidth |
| 02:09.00 | Azar | DeFirence: you will have sane and sound installations and upgrades as long as your sources.list is clean and makes sense to aptitude |
| 02:09.05 | DeFirence | ill install them on the real server |
| 02:09.11 | DeFirence | this one is only for testing |
| 02:09.22 | Azar | oh wells |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | serveres need DMM ? |
| 02:09.33 | DeFirence | ta ;) |
| 02:09.34 | Azar | hehehe |
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| 02:10.38 | DeFirence | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 02:10.47 | Azar | man, I didn't know some companies offer STD benefits with their plans.. |
| 02:10.51 | gridl0ck | abrotman, weird i have to rm gcc link to gcc-4.2 and create one pointing to gcc-4.1 for the installer not to complain |
| 02:11.04 | abrotman | weird indeed |
| 02:11.30 | gridl0ck | abrotman, installer running and completed |
| 02:11.38 | Azar | DeFirence: damn you havent' upgraded since Etch came out, your version was an upgrade |
| 02:11.58 | DeFirence | hmm |
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| 02:12.03 | Azar | DeFirence: |
| 02:12.05 | Azar | !nokey |
| 02:12.06 | DeFirence | do i have to now? :P |
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| 02:12.15 | Azar | !invalid key |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | install debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:12.44 | Azar | !public key |
| 02:12.44 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 02:12.47 | mudge | where is documentation stuff stored on debian? |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 02:13.10 | mudge | cool, thanks |
| 02:13.18 | Azar | DeFirence: what abrotman said |
| 02:13.27 | krazykit | for the past few days, whenever i "aptitude update" it doesn't seem to download any updated lists. is there something going on with unstable right now or is it more likely that something on my end is messed up? |
| 02:13.28 | DeFirence | ok |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | krazykit: try another mirror |
| 02:13.58 | krazykit | ftp.debian.org is what i'd been using :-/ |
| 02:14.04 | DawnLight | aaahm... i did "ssh -X server ktorrent" in the thought that i can reboot my desktop box to windows and play while the server box downloads stuff for me but now i realize that if i log out of kde then it will close the remote ktorrent... |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | krazykit: but one of them might be out of sync .. just try another |
| 02:14.48 | krazykit | ok |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | krazykit: pair.com is in pittsburgh |
| 02:16.11 | Azar | DeFirence: the sources lines from that freenx on Debian howto.... use them only ONCE, after or before you update, when done installing freenx, #comment them. They are not good when you perform updates/upgrades on Debian |
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| 02:16.33 | DawnLight | i double that |
| 02:16.52 | Supaplex | that**2 |
| 02:16.57 | DeFirence | ye |
| 02:16.59 | DeFirence | :) |
| 02:17.00 | Supaplex | my bad. that*2 |
| 02:17.13 | dcsimon | quick question about sata in debian |
| 02:17.15 | DawnLight | but upgrades to freenx should be available there so subscribe to their list and use the sources when you need them |
| 02:17.35 | BrassMonk | hey |
| 02:17.45 | DawnLight | !greet BrassMonk |
| 02:17.45 | dpkg | Nihao, BrassMonk |
| 02:18.04 | speckal | nite all |
| 02:18.24 | Supaplex | !confuse non-free |
| 02:18.24 | dpkg | Yes, them was your pineapple today, non-free? pants of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
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| 02:18.53 | DawnLight | wha... |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | guess he didn't want to ask |
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| 02:19.44 | roue | hola |
| 02:19.54 | roue | anyone have luck building gimp 2.4 on etch? |
| 02:20.02 | abrotman | is it failing for you? |
| 02:20.07 | roue | config keeps saying I'm missint gtk.h, but it's there. |
| 02:20.08 | krazykit | abrotman, thanks, that took care of it |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | krazykit: enjoy |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | roue: does it require a certain version of gtk ? |
| 02:20.42 | krazykit | i would if i could install vlc, but that's the nature of unstable |
| 02:20.46 | roue | I assume 2.0, but not sure. I'll check. |
| 02:20.55 | abrotman | it's libgtk2.0-dev |
| 02:21.18 | beardy_ | Supaplex: I want one. |
| 02:21.47 | Supaplex | ~taunt beardy_ with Supaplex's dinner |
| 02:21.48 | apt | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at beardy_ with Supaplex's dinner |
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| 02:22.23 | Supaplex | beardy_: I only have one left. better get over here before I eat it :) |
| 02:22.26 | roue | abrotman I've got that installed. |
| 02:22.39 | roue | for some reason ./configure isn't finding it. |
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| 02:22.56 | abrotman | roue: i would imagine it's looking for a newer GTK |
| 02:22.58 | roue | I'm guessing deb puts it in a non-standard location so it can co-exist with 1. |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h or so if i had to guess |
| 02:23.24 | roue | right, that's where it is. |
| 02:23.36 | roue | I don't know how to tell gimp 2.4's configure script to find it there. |
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| 02:23.54 | abrotman | roue: it should be able to find it |
| 02:24.08 | roue | abrotman, you'd think, right? |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | roue: paste the last bits of the configure script output |
| 02:24.17 | militant | so sound reports to be working fully, but i get none, on this hp laptop. is it an interrupt issue maybe? |
| 02:24.20 | roue | sure. just a sec. |
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| 02:25.59 | arnnn | does putting os in a separate harddisk from the data, improve io ? |
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| 02:26.32 | abrotman | separate from waht ? |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 02:26.41 | abrotman | arnnn: it can |
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| 02:27.06 | roue | abrotman - etch's gtklib is too old. blech. |
| 02:27.15 | arnnn | abrotman, separate from data, data is document and stuffs |
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| 02:27.40 | abrotman | roue: i figured |
| 02:27.52 | abrotman | arnnn: depends how much activity on both |
| 02:28.00 | DeFirence | DawnLight: dont u have work in the morning or something? |
| 02:28.16 | tdrusk | I am using edgy. I need to configure konqueror so it will play myspace music. I have flash, but it won't connect to the music when iceweasel will. any ideas? |
| 02:28.16 | abrotman | don't you? |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | tdrusk: #ubuntu |
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| 02:28.24 | grassroot | arnnn: it won't make a difference for document and stuffs |
| 02:28.31 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i don't work |
| 02:28.38 | DeFirence | lawl |
| 02:28.47 | DeFirence | u play with debian? |
| 02:28.50 | DeFirence | ;p |
| 02:28.54 | tdrusk | I keep confusing edgy and etch |
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| 02:28.57 | tdrusk | I am in etch |
| 02:29.03 | arnnn | abrotman, for example , having the location of the IDE and source code on separate harddisk, will it make the IDE do stuffs on the code faster? |
| 02:29.08 | DeFirence | cause i dont work, instead i play with debian |
| 02:29.09 | tdrusk | *slaps self* |
| 02:29.10 | DawnLight | i don't get this bittorrent package. does it give me a client?? |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | arnnn: it can .. i understand what you're asking .. there are tons of variables |
| 02:29.35 | DawnLight | i dont like working for money |
| 02:29.41 | DeFirence | yippiiii, i think freenx is installed |
| 02:29.51 | DawnLight | try it try it |
| 02:30.12 | tdrusk | so, I need to configure konqueror so it will play myspace music. I have flash, but it won't connect to the music when iceweasel will. any ideas? |
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| 02:30.31 | abrotman | roue: and you want to stay with etch ? |
| 02:30.54 | roue | abrotman - yup. happy with etch :) |
| 02:31.05 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:31.07 | DawnLight | is there a client in the bittorrent package? |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | roue: if you wait a bit .. a backport might appear |
| 02:31.22 | abrotman | DawnLight: yes .. dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 02:31.27 | roue | I'm a patient guy. |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | roue: keep checking backports.org |
| 02:31.41 | roue | yup |
| 02:31.42 | abrotman | roue: but it might not appear at all |
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| 02:33.21 | abrotman | roue: this will take forever to compile won't it ? |
| 02:33.29 | roue | likely so. |
| 02:33.36 | roue | abrotman how fast is your box? |
| 02:33.42 | Azar | :) |
| 02:33.57 | Ronin | smile when you say that roue |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | roue: 2.4 |
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| 02:34.33 | DawnLight | can i detach the bittorrent-gui from the download processes and reattach it? |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | roue: tons of dependencies .. jeez |
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| 02:34.47 | Trentster | hey all, I have just installed a little squid proxy report app that runs via apache......for some reason it is not executing the cgi script, instead i see the actual script code when going to the url.....I have specified a "Directory" path in httpd.conf that allows "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi" but still no go...any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 02:34.49 | roue | abrotman I'm going to stick with 2.2 for now. |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:35.34 | DawnLight | Trentster: try #apache |
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| 02:35.46 | Trentster | DawnLight, tried.....no one answers |
| 02:35.58 | tdrusk | I found a fix, on the bottom it says standalone player. I clicked that and it worked. :) |
| 02:36.00 | DawnLight | perhaps they're all here |
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| 02:36.17 | tdrusk | 'night all |
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| 02:38.44 | DawnLight | i want to run a bittorrent client in the server box in my lan so i could reboot to windows and play while it is downloading. which package should serve me best? and don't !tell me about best |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | rtorrent |
| 02:39.39 | DawnLight | appreciate it |
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| 02:40.31 | abrotman | roue: this thing is a hog! |
| 02:40.39 | roue | abrotman oink. |
| 02:40.43 | sabgenton | question |
| 02:40.47 | sabgenton | If you install application 'abc' that depended on say apache, which was not already installed,. Then you install application 'xyz' that also depended on apache . |
| 02:40.48 | DawnLight | ask |
| 02:40.55 | sabgenton | Now you want to remove application 'abc' Does apache get removed also? |
| 02:41.10 | abrotman | if nothing else depends on apache and you've used aptitude to install .. yes |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | but in your case .. xyz also depends on apache .. so no .. it won't get removed |
| 02:41.30 | DawnLight | sabgenton: no, aptitude is smart! |
| 02:41.30 | sabgenton | hmm |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | roue: thanks .. now i'm going to buy a new laptop! |
| 02:41.55 | DawnLight | !tell sabgenton about aptitude |
| 02:42.06 | roue | abrotman mail me your old one. I'll make good use of it. |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | roue: it's not even that old! |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | and every bit except the sl-modem is linux-friendly |
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| 02:44.00 | Azar | hallelujah!!! finally! :) GPL blocks linux interoperability with microsoft's patents! |
| 02:44.10 | DawnLight | link? |
| 02:44.24 | Azar | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007102408501134 |
| 02:44.27 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:44.56 | sabgenton | DawnLight: ok so abrotman doesn't quite understand the question aptitude will do the right thing ? |
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| 02:45.11 | abrotman | sabgenton: i understand perfectly .. |
| 02:45.17 | sabgenton | abrotman: sorry |
| 02:45.22 | DawnLight | sabgenton: he does. it will |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | sabgenton: and i gave you the answer |
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| 02:45.53 | sabgenton | so it WONT uninstall apache |
| 02:45.58 | abrotman | that's what i said! |
| 02:46.05 | sabgenton | so apt-get would? |
| 02:46.06 | Azar | :) |
| 02:46.08 | abrotman | aptitude will uninstall unneeded packages |
| 02:46.16 | sabgenton | abrotman: sorry again |
| 02:46.18 | abrotman | sabgenton: no .. apt-get won't remove apache at all (at least not in etch) |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | even if abc and xyz were uninstalled |
| 02:46.44 | abrotman | aptitude will remove apache if abc and xyz are both uninstalled but not if just one is |
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| 02:46.52 | Supaplex | *burp* |
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| 02:47.09 | abrotman | roue: jesus .. kernels don't take this long |
| 02:47.13 | sabgenton | so in this situtuation aptitude is no better |
| 02:47.13 | DawnLight | sabgenton: use aptitude's full-screen interface. you get to see everything before it is done |
| 02:47.13 | Supaplex | beardy_: it was yummy. you should have been here. |
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| 02:47.22 | sabgenton | roughly |
| 02:47.23 | abrotman | sabgenton: yes .. aptitude is better ... |
| 02:47.47 | sabgenton | ok allway use aptitude not apt |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | that's a good plan |
| 02:48.00 | sabgenton | but apt can do that with deps to |
| 02:48.19 | Azar | sabgenton: aptitude cleans better |
| 02:48.33 | DawnLight | will apt-get install ever be deprecated? actually i don't see how, because it is the back-end to aptitude but still? |
| 02:48.53 | Supaplex | sabgenton: it even has that fresh from the dentist feeling |
| 02:48.56 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | DawnLight: it's not the backend |
| 02:49.11 | DawnLight | so will ib be deprecated? |
| 02:49.26 | snacky | wait. so, if I: 1) aptitude install <app1 that depends on apache> 2) aptitude remove <app1> # then it'll remove apache? I can understand this behavior with shared libraries, but not with standalone apps like apache |
| 02:49.28 | ameyer | I'd guess not |
| 02:49.29 | Azar | DawnLight: probably not |
| 02:49.43 | DawnLight | nooo it didn't work? |
| 02:49.48 | ameyer | perhaps aptitude would become an alias for apt-get |
| 02:50.01 | dalias | i sure hope not |
| 02:50.06 | dalias | aptitude uses 4x the core |
| 02:50.07 | ameyer | only thing it'd likely break would be apt-get moo |
| 02:50.08 | sabgenton | cleans better as in it always gets deps right ? and apt-get stuffs up sometimes? |
| 02:50.17 | sabgenton | or i just does a better job on each package |
| 02:50.18 | dalias | it's barely usable with < 256 megs of ram |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | ameyer: aptitude -vvvv moo |
| 02:50.22 | sabgenton | it just |
| 02:50.27 | Azar | haha |
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| 02:50.48 | abrotman | ameyer: erm .. -vvvvv |
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| 02:50.50 | DeFirence | well, freenx server seems to be installed fine |
| 02:50.56 | ameyer | dalias: strange, it's fine here with 128 mb of RAM |
| 02:51.01 | Azar | sabgenton: if there are erratic installs with broken dependencies, and unused relatives... aptitude will clean the house |
| 02:51.07 | DeFirence | but nx client cant connect properly |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | ask #nx |
| 02:51.37 | DeFirence | after it authenticates it gives error NX> 1004 Error: nxagent failed to start with: Unrecognized option: 1 |
| 02:51.37 | sabgenton | ok so it can fix up if not done right the first time |
| 02:51.40 | Azar | DeFirence: from here you gotta go explore nx configuration at their mom and dad... |
| 02:51.44 | DeFirence | #nx is asleep |
| 02:51.45 | DawnLight | DeFirence: thats where we can't help no more |
| 02:51.51 | dalias | ameyer, it runs, but not comfortably. |
| 02:52.02 | DeFirence | yup yup, i know guys |
| 02:52.02 | dalias | if anything else is running you get mad amounts of swapping |
| 02:52.09 | ameyer | I never noticed it, fwiw |
| 02:52.10 | DeFirence | its ok |
| 02:52.29 | DawnLight | we'd want to but we don't know it |
| 02:52.30 | ameyer | but I can use Iceweasel surprisingly well on this craptop |
| 02:52.43 | dalias | ameyer, what specs? |
| 02:52.48 | DawnLight | laptalk |
| 02:52.57 | dalias | actually to me iceweasel seems lighter than aptitude.. |
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| 02:53.07 | ameyer | umm, 500 mhz p3, 128 mb ram... |
| 02:53.17 | DawnLight | nice |
| 02:53.19 | dalias | ah similar to mine, a little weaker |
| 02:53.30 | DawnLight | what desktop does it run? |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | ameyer: RAM is cheap :) |
| 02:54.00 | ameyer | abrotman: not for something this old |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | PC100 is still cheap |
| 02:54.10 | dalias | indeed, just what ameyer said |
| 02:54.13 | Supaplex | ameyer: whachatgot? |
| 02:54.15 | abrotman | or is that 133 |
| 02:54.18 | abrotman | it's still cheap |
| 02:54.19 | dalias | abrotman, what part of laptop do you not understand??? |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | dalias: ti's still cheap! |
| 02:54.35 | ameyer | pc100's virtually impossible to find these days |
| 02:54.37 | dalias | no, it's about $80 for 128mb |
| 02:54.50 | ameyer | for something this old, why bother |
| 02:54.58 | DawnLight | bother brother |
| 02:55.06 | DawnLight | it is portable |
| 02:55.59 | ameyer | I'm just hoping that I can make it until Etch is no longer supported to upgrade my laptop |
| 02:56.26 | ameyer | perhaps I'll be lucky enough to get a few more years out of it with Lenny |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | roue: this gimp2.4 better make eggs or something ? |
| 02:57.20 | ameyer | assuming X doesn't get more horribly bloated, I probably can |
| 02:57.23 | ameyer | I hope |
| 02:57.40 | dalias | X isn't bloated unless you make it bloated |
| 02:57.51 | dalias | running crap like composite managers and whatnot |
| 02:57.53 | abrotman | by starting it :) |
| 02:57.59 | ameyer | I can get a terminal in X in about 40 MB |
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| 02:58.13 | dalias | um it's a lot less than that.. |
| 02:58.29 | dalias | xorg itself uses < 10mb |
| 02:58.31 | ameyer | and I could probably ditch a daemon or two if I had to |
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| 02:59.04 | ameyer | dalias: maybe it's 30 MB or so... |
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| 02:59.12 | eljefe_ | why install X just for a terminal? |
| 02:59.21 | dalias | ameyer, you're reading the wrong numbers off from ps |
| 02:59.25 | dondelelcaro | eljefe_: for lots of terminals |
| 02:59.33 | dalias | the big number is meaningless; it's including the mmap of video memory |
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| 02:59.45 | ameyer | dalias: I mean the middle line from free -m |
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| 03:00.04 | dalias | i said xorg itself |
| 03:00.14 | eljefe_ | dondelelcaro: try using 'screen' in non-X... its like a bunch of terminals |
| 03:00.16 | dalias | not whatever random daemons are running that have nothing to do with x... |
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| 03:00.41 | ameyer | right now I'm "using" 88 MB of RAM and 25 MB of swap... |
| 03:00.53 | dondelelcaro | eljefe_: dealing with more than 10 terminals in screen gets tedious |
| 03:01.03 | eljefe_ | lots indeed |
| 03:01.18 | ameyer | I blame btdownloadcurses.bittornado |
| 03:01.24 | dalias | i'm "using" 50 and no swap |
| 03:01.28 | dalias | according to free |
| 03:01.41 | dalias | iceweasel + screen + 1 terminal |
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| 03:02.01 | dondelelcaro | heh. must not be the 2.0 version of iceweasel |
| 03:02.18 | dalias | it is |
| 03:02.31 | abrotman | no flash ? |
| 03:02.40 | ameyer | yeah, I killed the bittornado instances and I'm down to 53/11 |
| 03:02.46 | dalias | of course not. flash is non-free |
| 03:02.56 | ameyer | but I have BIND and sshd running |
| 03:03.02 | dalias | i have sshd but no bind |
| 03:03.06 | snacky | (and flash is mostly annoying) |
| 03:03.15 | dalias | maradns would be a better choice than bind if you want lightweight |
| 03:03.23 | Supaplex | !flash-block++ |
| 03:03.26 | dalias | or just one of the caching-only (no recursion) servers |
| 03:03.31 | ameyer | iceweasel seems to eat as much ram as you'll give it |
| 03:03.46 | dalias | ameyer, disabling memory cache helps i think |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | ameyer: it caches your history in RAM or some crap |
| 03:03.52 | dondelelcaro | dalias: it actually doesn't |
| 03:03.57 | dondelelcaro | dalias: in that case it uses pixmaps |
| 03:04.00 | dondelelcaro | (which is worse) |
| 03:04.09 | dalias | dondelelcaro, eh? |
| 03:04.21 | dalias | i've never seen it do that |
| 03:04.25 | ameyer | i mean, from all the crap you hear about it eating GBs of RAM, it's really not that bad |
| 03:04.50 | dondelelcaro | well, if you have 50 or so tabs open, some of which have lots of images, it tends to do that |
| 03:04.50 | dalias | oh one big way to cut down ram usage |
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| 03:04.58 | dalias | switch your X server to 16bpp, not 32bpp |
| 03:05.05 | dalias | pixmaps are half size then |
| 03:05.09 | ameyer | to be honest, if I really cared about bloat I'd not use gdm |
| 03:05.10 | dalias | which counts for a lot |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | roue: that took forever! |
| 03:05.18 | dalias | lol gdm |
| 03:05.25 | dondelelcaro | the solution is for FF just to not waste so much memory with pixmaps, frankly |
| 03:05.29 | dalias | gdm is the ultimate in bloat |
| 03:05.35 | abrotman | dalias: emacs ? |
| 03:05.53 | dalias | i was just talking earlier today with my friend about that, abrotman |
| 03:05.57 | dalias | emacs is quite the opposite |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:06.21 | moefoe | (mumble) vi (mumble) |
| 03:06.22 | ameyer | but I'd prefer to be able to switch x sessions semi-easily... |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | roue: and it doesn't work right because i didn't do the make install .. so it can't find its menus |
| 03:06.35 | dalias | over the past 15 years, emacs has had about the _lowest_ bloat growth rate of any major project |
| 03:06.46 | dalias | it's barely bigger than it was in the early 90s |
| 03:06.50 | ameyer | it's not causing much of a problem, so I let it be |
| 03:07.20 | dalias | i killed xdm and just use startx |
| 03:07.31 | dalias | saves a little bit of memory |
| 03:07.52 | ameyer | might also try to switch my laptop to Ubuntu hardy for the benefits of LTS |
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| 03:08.38 | ameyer | "long term support" kinda means "no more bloat for 3 years" to me on this thing |
| 03:08.38 | DawnLight | ok i'm out for naaaw |
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| 03:10.24 | ameyer | I mean, this laptop's almost exactly 7 years old, if I can get use from it when it's 10 or so years old, I think that's a good thing |
| 03:10.58 | ameyer | (I've only had it for like 8 months, but still) |
| 03:11.20 | ameyer | almost 4 years of use from a $125 laptop? |
| 03:11.37 | ameyer | (cue the people telling me I got the bad end of that deal)\ |
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| 03:11.50 | snacky | man, what a bad deal! |
| 03:12.15 | ameyer | although it's badly in need of a bigger HD |
| 03:13.25 | ameyer | and by "Ubuntu" I mean a bastardized, stripped down distro that pulls packages from the Ubuntu repos |
| 03:13.30 | ameyer | kinda like fluxbuntu |
| 03:13.42 | Supaplex | and we care about ubuntu why? |
| 03:13.51 | ameyer | we don't? |
| 03:13.52 | Supaplex | really, why not try using dillo and flwm |
| 03:13.56 | Supaplex | !ubuntu |
| 03:13.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 03:14.03 | Supaplex | no, not much. |
| 03:14.31 | ameyer | Supaplex: dillo's about as useful as w3m |
| 03:14.32 | Supaplex | I had a p133 with 32mb of ram work ok with dillo and flwm. |
| 03:14.39 | ameyer | and presumably more bloated |
| 03:15.01 | Supaplex | you want it all for nothing. |
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| 03:15.08 | amphi | w3m is extremely useful |
| 03:15.13 | ameyer | s/more\ bloated/has\ a\ bigger\ memory\ footprint/ |
| 03:15.23 | ameyer | amphi: yeah, I use it |
| 03:15.42 | ameyer | I only use iceweasel for sites where w3m doesn't work well |
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| 03:16.03 | Supaplex | i hope you've got more than a p133 :) |
| 03:16.12 | ameyer | slightly |
| 03:16.22 | Supaplex | then you're better off than I was |
| 03:16.44 | ameyer | but yeah, I suspect this system's gonna die with Ubuntu on it |
| 03:17.08 | ameyer | (again, I don't exactly mean a "stock" install) |
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| 03:17.20 | kingsley | Will someone please check if version 2.0.0.8-1 of iceweasel lets users search the content of the web page they're viewing with regular expressions? |
| 03:17.37 | Supaplex | kingsley: what release is it in? |
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| 03:18.10 | squisher | kingsley: is that really coming??? I'm soooo looking for that feature! |
| 03:18.12 | s[exe] | I'm trying to map some media keys I have on my laptop to keypresses in Debian, but I'm not quite sure how, and Google isn't being very helpful... |
| 03:18.18 | kingsley | Supaplex: Thanks for asking. My understanding is that version 2.0.0.8-1 of iceweasel is in unstable. |
| 03:19.10 | s[exe] | I got something called lineak, and I know all the keycodes for my keys, but I can't map them properly to do what I want. Eg. Mute = 160, but then after lineakd maps it, it doesnt register as a keypress when I go to set the shortcut. |
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| 03:19.23 | abrotman | kingsley: the one in lenny does |
| 03:19.27 | s[exe] | and I have no idea what the scancodes for the keys are...>_> |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | oh wait .. nevermind |
| 03:19.48 | grendal_prime | anybody use kompozer ? |
| 03:19.52 | grendal_prime | on linux that is? |
| 03:19.58 | kingsley | squisher: I share your interest, filed an enhancement request, and was recently told by a maintainer to check if an updated version of iceweasel has it. |
| 03:19.59 | Supaplex | !anybody use kompozer on linux |
| 03:19.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses kompozer on linux, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:20.06 | s[exe] | :( |
| 03:20.21 | grendal_prime | thanks that is the most usefull bot ever. |
| 03:20.26 | squisher | kingsley: my thanks to you for filing the request :-) |
| 03:20.31 | grendal_prime | it pisses me off |
| 03:20.47 | kingsley | squisher: You're welcome. All I ask is that you put me in the will. ;-) |
| 03:20.54 | grendal_prime | its an open source editor that does not support php..well not to any usable level anyway. |
| 03:20.57 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrr |
| 03:21.08 | kingsley | Supaplex: Thanks. |
| 03:21.15 | squisher | kingsley: hey, you're welcome to take over my debts ;-) |
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| 03:21.32 | s[exe] | Nobody? :( |
| 03:21.36 | squisher | kingsley: I'm running 2.0.0.8-1, but I don't think it is working yet (or do I have to activate some option?) |
| 03:21.40 | kingsley | Supaplex: I look forward to reading your report. |
| 03:22.18 | Supaplex | kingsley: negative. |
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| 03:23.07 | kingsley | squisher & Supaplex: Thank you. I'll report back to the maintainer and mention your interest. |
| 03:23.58 | squisher | Hm, I can't find anything that seems related (looked for search, find) in about:config, so that's a definite no. |
| 03:24.02 | squisher | kingsley: thanks |
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| 03:25.56 | Supaplex | kingsley: http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/iceweasel-sid-noregex-searching.jpg |
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| 03:27.03 | fujin | Anyone here run some sort of centralised authentication? |
| 03:27.11 | Supaplex | like ldap? |
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| 03:27.39 | fujin | Yes. Like LDAP. |
| 03:27.52 | fujin | I've got a LDAP setup currently, but I want something that isn't a pain in the ass. |
| 03:27.54 | Supaplex | I'm sure there are a few |
| 03:28.07 | Supaplex | then don't use NIS |
| 03:28.14 | Supaplex | or radius |
| 03:28.24 | fujin | well, LDAP is being a pain in the ass. |
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| 03:28.43 | Supaplex | how so? |
| 03:29.04 | fujin | I'm just not convinced it's the best. |
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| 03:29.20 | kingsley | Supaplex: Thanks. I'll include the URL in my report. |
| 03:29.32 | fujin | the whole TLS/SSL stuff, um |
| 03:29.37 | fujin | It makes me unhappy. |
| 03:29.58 | cchance | how do i set the mysql root pass |
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| 03:31.28 | markofvero | cchance: "set password = password('newpassword');" |
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| 03:31.37 | markofvero | when logged in as root |
| 03:31.54 | markofvero | (mysql root, I mean, of course) |
| 03:31.59 | magyar | two same systems running on etch, same configuration same packages, one works as a pptpd server the other will not work. Why??? |
| 03:32.48 | cchance | um what |
| 03:32.54 | snacky | hptp;\/ww.goggle.com/search?hl=en and query is "how do I set the mysql root pass" and ibtn="I'm Feeling Lucky" |
| 03:32.58 | snacky | oops, wrong window. |
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| 03:36.39 | Supaplex | cchance: such a mysql faq. it's everywhere on the interwebs |
| 03:37.02 | cchance | its ok i got it |
| 03:37.10 | cchance | i forgot the ; on the end |
| 03:37.15 | cchance | i got dtc installed |
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| 03:44.11 | cchance | wow |
| 03:44.20 | cchance | dtc has really slowed my startup time |
| 03:44.39 | cchance | it was originaly 1 min 24 sec now its past that and still counting |
| 03:46.19 | cchance | finaly |
| 03:46.29 | cchance | wo,4 min 48 sec |
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| 03:47.23 | epsilon | dtc? |
| 03:47.30 | Batchz0r | Hey, Whats a decent online mmorpg for debian? |
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| 03:47.39 | snacky | Batchz0r: irc |
| 03:47.45 | Batchz0r | Lol |
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| 03:48.00 | Batchz0r | irc doesnt come with 3d graphics |
| 03:48.29 | epsilon | install compiz :P |
| 03:48.40 | emss | Batchz0r: www.planeshift.it |
| 03:48.42 | kgoetz | epsilon: bah, beat me to it :P |
| 03:48.51 | kgoetz | win 20 |
| 03:48.56 | Batchz0r | Hrm ok |
| 03:48.58 | Batchz0r | cheers emss |
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| 03:49.03 | wols | Batchz0r: but it comes with something NO other mmorpg has: real life trolls |
| 03:49.09 | Batchz0r | lol |
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| 03:50.08 | gbp | wols: one of the main things i disliked about the wow community i used to be involved with was the trolls who dominated irc, the Blizzard forums and ingame chat |
| 03:50.37 | gbp | Blizzard doesn't provide any form of moderation for those mediums so the amount of trolling that goes on is ridiculous |
| 03:50.44 | gbp | </rant> ! |
| 03:51.06 | snacky | gbp: it's not the amount of trolling that's important, but the quality. |
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| 03:52.22 | gbp | snacky: true, atleast on ./ their is a moderation system |
| 03:52.26 | gbp | *there |
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| 04:00.01 | mmlj4 | i've got a new box (debian etch, new vanilla install) that keeps giving a "service unavailable" error when i try to send mail to it... local mail does work. Is there some configuration that I need to do so that it'll accept internet mail? I mean the general "internet mail, local mail, smarthost, etc." options you get when first installing a box? what file does that write to? main.cf? master.cf? somewhere else? |
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| 04:00.52 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure exim-config or such |
| 04:01.00 | wols | dpkg -l |grep exim should tell you which |
| 04:01.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep exim should tell you which |
| 04:01.20 | snacky | dpkg: good point. |
| 04:01.21 | mmlj4 | s/exim/postfix/ work too? |
| 04:01.33 | Supaplex | $MTA |
| 04:01.35 | wols | yes but only if you have postfix installed instead of exim4 |
| 04:01.35 | Supaplex | yes. |
| 04:02.00 | wols | but to make a proper mailserver you usually have to edit config files by hand. for postfix they are under /etc/postfix/ |
| 04:02.12 | wols | dunno about exim since I don't use it. probably /etc/exim |
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| 04:03.05 | mmlj4 | wols: yes, config files by hand, i've got 3 other servers working correctly, i just can't get this one to accept external mail |
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| 04:04.22 | BlueToothz | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 04:04.22 | BlueToothz | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:04.22 | BlueToothz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.22 | BlueToothz | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 04:04.31 | Supaplex | hah. |
| 04:04.32 | BlueToothz | what paster bot |
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| 04:04.39 | wols | !paster |
| 04:04.39 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:04.40 | Supaplex | !tell BlueToothz -about paste |
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| 04:05.22 | wols | BlueToothz: and when you paste, paste the full error. not just irrelevant parts |
| 04:05.49 | Supaplex | yea, rafb.net/paste space is cheap. :) |
| 04:06.33 | wols | maybe he's on comcast, then his traffic isn't :P |
| 04:06.51 | Supaplex | he's on verizon dls |
| 04:06.54 | Supaplex | dsl* |
| 04:07.27 | BlueToothz | http://paste.debian.net/40602 |
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| 04:08.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.32 | wols | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/wine/mapi32.dll.so', which is also in package libwine |
| 04:08.36 | wols | that's your error |
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| 04:08.52 | BlueToothz | i deleted /usr/lib/wine though |
| 04:09.00 | wols | that was daft |
| 04:09.36 | wols | uninstall the wine packages from debian.org. best purge them too |
| 04:09.42 | xlotlu | did you remove stuff from program files on windows? |
| 04:10.05 | BlueToothz | no xlotlu didnt go back into windows since this morning |
| 04:10.38 | Supaplex | lol wth |
| 04:10.39 | BlueToothz | what do you mean wols. apt-get remove? i did this |
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| 04:11.35 | wols | you didn't as your dpkg output proves |
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| 04:11.43 | Supaplex | BlueToothz: you're installing something from winehq. we don't support those debs. please ask #winehq |
| 04:11.59 | BlueToothz | just say you dont know man lol |
| 04:12.16 | BlueToothz | theres like 5,000 channels for each application |
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| 04:12.18 | Supaplex | !info wine |
| 04:12.21 | BlueToothz | jeez wize lol |
| 04:12.25 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (standard suite)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.44-1 (sid), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 688 kB |
| 04:12.29 | Supaplex | we didn't roll those |
| 04:12.34 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: We know what the problem is: the package from winehq provides a file that conflicts with one in the Debian wine package |
| 04:12.37 | Supaplex | your deb is newer than sid |
| 04:12.56 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: It's not that we don't know, it's that it's winehq's problem, not Debian's |
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| 04:13.20 | BlueToothz | ... |
| 04:13.34 | BlueToothz | that is the most laughable thing I've ever read |
| 04:13.37 | BlueToothz | :( |
| 04:13.43 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: Their package is broken and they should fix it |
| 04:13.48 | BlueToothz | Ah |
| 04:13.51 | BlueToothz | now I understand |
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| 04:14.05 | Supaplex | RHEL isn't going to support stuff they don't produce. neither do we. |
| 04:14.08 | BlueToothz | See I understand things if you put it into stupid terms lol |
| 04:14.14 | niwt | would dpkg -r work any better in that case? |
| 04:14.18 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 04:14.33 | BlueToothz | I dont know what RHEL is Supaplex |
| 04:14.37 | Supaplex | !rhel |
| 04:14.38 | dpkg | i guess rhel is Red Hat Enterprise Linux (often abbreviated to RHEL) is a Linux distribution produced by Red Hat and targeted toward the commercial market. Red Hat undertakes to support each release of RHEL for 7 years after it first appears. New releases of RHEL come out every 18 months. As customers only pay for support, when Red Hat releases a new version of RHEL during the support period, customers may upgrade to it for no additional charge. |
| 04:15.07 | Supaplex | dpkg: botsnack |
| 04:15.07 | dpkg | Supaplex: thanks |
| 04:16.51 | Supaplex | !tell cchance[A] -about away |
| 04:16.57 | ameyer | !lart cchance[A] for auto-away spamming |
| 04:17.08 | ColdFyre | is there a way to stop ifconfig counters from resetting? |
| 04:17.21 | wols | ColdFyre: sure. run 64bit debian |
| 04:17.23 | Supaplex | quit ping flooding yourself? ;) |
| 04:17.48 | cchance | im sorry i didnt know i had it on |
| 04:18.07 | BlueToothz | <Triskelios> BlueToothz: um, that's the debian package |
| 04:18.16 | BlueToothz | why are these channels telling me to go into the ones i was already at |
| 04:18.20 | cchance | actuly i dont know how to take it off ether |
| 04:18.26 | kingsley | How should one determine which installation script returned an error when using "dpkg --configure <package name>"? |
| 04:18.42 | cchance | http://cgi.ebay.com/50-vest-laser-tag-system_W0QQitemZ300164823805QQihZ020QQcategoryZ232QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:18.47 | cchance | damn 15,000$ |
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| 04:19.26 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: What's the "that" that triskelios is referring to? |
| 04:19.32 | wols | kingsley: by pasting the FULL output in a pastebin |
| 04:19.59 | BlueToothz | Wyzard, the error i gave wols |
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| 04:20.41 | kingsley | wols: Here you go : http://pastebin.com/m3087bfbd |
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| 04:21.13 | Supaplex | BlueToothz: tell him to look at the version number, and compare with packages.debian.org/wine - it may be a 'deb', but theirs is not offical debian. we didn't publish it |
| 04:21.13 | ColdFyre | wols: i really need a 64 bit os for it not to reset after 2-3 gigs of traffic? |
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| 04:21.48 | MrTelephone | php pear library ? |
| 04:21.53 | MrTelephone | anyoen know what package its in |
| 04:22.04 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: Since the wine package you're installing is definitely not the Debian version, I suspect he's pointing out that your libwine package is the Debian one |
| 04:22.22 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: Maybe winehq has their own libwine package that you should also be using? |
| 04:22.47 | wols | kingsley: as you can see, the postinst script |
| 04:22.59 | wols | !tell MrTelephone about search |
| 04:23.04 | BlueToothz | Ok I left that channel, they just were telling me they dont support it and thats it basically |
| 04:23.11 | wols | Wyzard: it's an "all in one" package mostly |
| 04:23.12 | BlueToothz | I'll figure it out on my own I giuess |
| 04:23.19 | dondelelcaro | ColdFyre: the counter for that is generally 32 bits; almost any thing that measures the traffic over an interface knows how to deal with it |
| 04:23.28 | wols | BlueToothz: I told you loooong ago what the problem is and how to solve it |
| 04:23.32 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: They don't support what, their own wine package, or Debian's libwine? |
| 04:23.58 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: They probably intend for their packages to be used *instead* of Debian's |
| 04:24.01 | osmosis | Is there a way to list the files that would be installed before installing a package ? |
| 04:24.03 | BlueToothz | "two outdated wine versions" |
| 04:24.07 | kingsley | wols: Yes, but, do you happen to know how to identify the post-installation script's fully qualified name, so one may look at, and debug, it? |
| 04:24.23 | BlueToothz | wols; where was I man |
| 04:24.25 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: if you know the package, you know the postinst |
| 04:24.28 | wols | kingsley: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
| 04:24.29 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: and maybe they don't use a separate libwine package, but put those files in the main libwine package instead, which would certainly cause conflicts if you have Debian's libwine installed |
| 04:24.47 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: If you want to use winehq .debs, you should remove *all* Debian wine packages |
| 04:24.50 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: each package has at most one postinst, one preinst, one postrm, and one prerm |
| 04:24.53 | wols | BlueToothz: < wols> uninstall the wine packages from debian.org. best purge them too |
| 04:25.14 | kingsley | wols: Thanks. |
| 04:25.23 | wols | BlueToothz: since you lied and said you already did this, your error is of course purely imaginary |
| 04:26.31 | BlueToothz | I didnt lie wtf |
| 04:26.36 | BlueToothz | dont put words in my moutn man |
| 04:26.38 | BlueToothz | just dont |
| 04:27.10 | Wyzard | <BlueToothz> what do you mean wols. apt-get remove? i did this |
| 04:27.17 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.18 | Wyzard | is what you said after he told you to remove the Debian wine packages |
| 04:27.28 | Wyzard | Did you mean something else? |
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| 04:27.41 | BlueToothz | i did 'apt-get remove wine' and it said it was removed, so i installed it again, same error |
| 04:27.59 | Wyzard | Not just remove wine... remove *all* Debian wine-related packages |
| 04:28.02 | Wyzard | That includes libwine |
| 04:28.09 | CharonX | How can I get debian to re-run the setup script when a package is installed... so I can overwrite the current config files for that package ? |
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| 04:28.29 | Supaplex | !mmorpg wine |
| 04:28.49 | Wyzard | CharonX: You can do that by reinstalling the .deb with "dpkg -i --force-confmiss" |
| 04:29.00 | BlueToothz | wols, man, i typed 'sudo apt-get install -f' and it looks like it installed it on its own. |
| 04:29.01 | CharonX | Wyzard, thanks |
| 04:29.04 | BlueToothz | <Supaplex> BlueToothz: tell him to look at the version number, and compare with packages.debian.org/wine - it may be a 'deb', but theirs is not offical debian. we didn't publish it |
| 04:29.08 | BlueToothz | oops |
| 04:29.10 | Wyzard | CharonX: which makes dpkg pretend all config files are missing and therefore must be recreated |
| 04:29.14 | BlueToothz | Setting up wine (0.9.47~winehq0~debian~4.0-1) ... |
| 04:29.14 | BlueToothz | Setting up libwine (0.9.47~winehq0~debian~4.0-1) ... |
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| 04:29.48 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: OK, that looks like your libwine package is from winehq, not from Debian |
| 04:30.04 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: so it really is entirely winehq's package at this point, if their two packages don't work with each other |
| 04:30.19 | Wyzard | s/winehq's package/winehq's problem/ |
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| 04:31.08 | BlueToothz | Want me tot ell them to come in here and argue about it? Cause their just gonna send me back here anyway |
| 04:31.41 | ColdFyre | dondelelcaro: is it a kernel counter/ |
| 04:32.26 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: You may have had Debian's libwine package installed earlier; I don't know |
| 04:32.39 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: but from the apt output you just pasted, it looks like you now have winehq's libwine package |
| 04:32.39 | BlueToothz | I think I installed it though it didnt give me an error this time when i ran it with sudo |
| 04:33.17 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: If you didn't get an error this time, it's probably because you're now using their libwine package, which is designed to work with their wine package, rather than Debian's libwine which isn't |
| 04:34.03 | BlueToothz | okay then, thats good, i hope? |
| 04:34.27 | laser_guy | I found a new hobby :P |
| 04:34.47 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: Well, the package conflict seems to be solved |
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| 04:35.02 | Supaplex | laser_guy: so many crude things we could reply for that. ;) |
| 04:35.10 | Wyzard | BlueToothz: It wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure you don't have any other Debian wine-related packages still installed (I don't know of any offhand, but I don't use wine either) |
| 04:35.13 | Batchz0r | Hey |
| 04:35.38 | laser_guy | i know but your going to be good boys and not say NOTHING |
| 04:35.39 | Batchz0r | After i install PlaneShift, I try to run the updater and i get an error message saying "Segmentation Fault" |
| 04:35.52 | enouf | s/nothing/anything |
| 04:36.03 | laser_guy | yea yea |
| 04:36.06 | Supaplex | laser_guy: that's a double negative. :P |
| 04:36.21 | enouf | so mespoke |
| 04:36.27 | laser_guy | yah im taking up lasertag |
| 04:36.41 | enouf | try taser_tag .. more fun |
| 04:36.42 | Supaplex | how do you tag a laser? |
| 04:37.08 | laser_guy | HAHAHAHA |
| 04:37.17 | Batchz0r | You fire the lasers at the recievers |
| 04:37.18 | laser_guy | no youtag another persons laser |
| 04:37.29 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: sounds like a bug in PlaneShift |
| 04:37.34 | Supaplex | yes, but how is their laser it? |
| 04:37.39 | laser_guy | yeah i cant wait to try this at night |
| 04:37.43 | Batchz0r | Wyzard: It happened with Savage Also |
| 04:37.53 | enouf | it's a hit at unis whenever Kerry speaks |
| 04:37.55 | laser_guy | its not a laser its infared |
| 04:38.03 | laser_guy | the same stuff used in tv remotes |
| 04:38.43 | laser_guy | or not? |
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| 04:39.04 | infared_guy | (mumble) |
| 04:39.16 | gridl0ck | now all you need is rf_guy |
| 04:39.22 | Batchz0r | Also when i run psc (plane shift client?) I get a library error |
| 04:39.27 | Batchz0r | Can i paste the error? |
| 04:39.36 | Wyzard | !paste |
| 04:39.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 04:39.48 | laser_guy | o.k |
| 04:39.50 | Batchz0r | Its one and a bit lines |
| 04:40.07 | Batchz0r | ./psc: error while loading shared libraries: libCgGL.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:40.45 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: hmm, that's an nVidia-specific library |
| 04:40.47 | gridl0ck | has anyone rated the differences between nero for linux and k3b ? |
| 04:40.48 | Wyzard | It might be in the nvidia-cg-tools package |
| 04:40.51 | Supaplex | !tazer laser_guy |
| 04:41.08 | Batchz0r | Ok |
| 04:41.12 | gridl0ck | !nero |
| 04:41.13 | dpkg | i guess nero is a roman emperor, or a coon A program written for M$Windows that can burn cds, among other things. crap |
| 04:41.19 | Batchz0r | But i have no idea how to fix this Segmentation Fault error |
| 04:41.26 | laser_guy | Why me? Why not infared_guy |
| 04:41.45 | Supaplex | !seen infared_guy |
| 04:41.45 | dpkg | infared_guy <i=moefoe@c-76-117-25-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2m 41s ago, saying: '(mumble)'. |
| 04:41.48 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: hmm, nope, the package is nvidia-cg-toolkit and it doesn't contain libCgGL.so |
| 04:41.58 | Supaplex | well, he's not here. |
| 04:42.06 | Batchz0r | Damn |
| 04:42.13 | enouf | gridl0ck: funny you mention that - reminded me, i have a trial ver. leftover, when they were testing, prior to release - never installed it, needs wine? |
| 04:42.13 | laser_guy | nether am i. |
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| 04:42.37 | laser_guy | !kill infared_guy |
| 04:42.42 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: oh, I see... nvidia-cg-toolkit is an installer for the Cg toolkit; Debian doesn't actually distribute the libraries |
| 04:42.44 | gridl0ck | enouf, nero for linux still requires wine? kind of odd |
| 04:42.56 | Batchz0r | Ahh ok |
| 04:42.56 | enouf | gridl0ck: i'm asking |
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| 04:43.11 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: so you'd need to install nvidia-cg-toolkit and then run "update-nvidia-cg-toolkit", which will download and install the files (presumably including that library) |
| 04:43.18 | gridl0ck | enouf, no idea - is why i'm asking before investing in another useless app (: |
| 04:43.24 | Batchz0r | Thanks.. Ill report back Wyzard |
| 04:43.34 | laser_guy | !scare infared_guy |
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| 04:43.41 | enouf | gridl0ck: well, place for reviews would be club.cdfreaks.com |
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| 04:43.57 | laser_guy | wow they have really got this bot trained |
| 04:44.12 | gridl0ck | enouf, erm cdfreaks kind of unreliable imo (: |
| 04:44.50 | muh2000_ | when i restart mysql i want to auto create a hard link. how can i manage that? |
| 04:45.19 | Supaplex | !factinfo CMD: scare (.*?) |
| 04:45.20 | dpkg | cmd: scare (.*?) -- created by Supaplex <~e@166-70-62-194.ip.xmission.com> at Sun Sep 16 02:09:12 2007 (39 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by laser_guy, 1m 45s ago. |
| 04:45.23 | Supaplex | :) |
| 04:45.50 | laser_guy | ? |
| 04:46.04 | Supaplex | I trained dpkg about !scare |
| 04:46.21 | laser_guy | What elese? |
| 04:46.22 | enouf | gridl0ck: i'm stuck trying to make a functioning* bootable grml.org for my p150 .. all of them (i've made) work fine on my p2-350, ...and note; the p150 boots DSL (v1.1), and win98 OEM CDs (and others) just fine .. can't figure it out yet |
| 04:46.30 | Batchz0r | sata:/opt/PlaneShift# ./updater |
| 04:46.30 | Batchz0r | Segmentation fault |
| 04:46.33 | Batchz0r | :( |
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| 04:46.34 | Supaplex | laser_guy: oh a lot of crap. :P I don't remember it all. |
| 04:46.48 | enouf | gridl0ck: not imo, when you know which ppl's opinions to look for |
| 04:46.51 | Batchz0r | Epic Fail |
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| 04:47.18 | gridl0ck | enouf, exactly - threading through the lame one's is too time consuming (: |
| 04:47.19 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: If that happens in two different games, it could be a problem related to some library that both games depend on |
| 04:47.34 | Batchz0r | Should i apt-get upgrade? |
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| 04:48.04 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Could be a bug in the library itself, or could be a bug in the games' usage of the library (something that happened to work with an older version of the library but doesn't work with the current version, or something like that) |
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| 04:48.25 | enouf | gridl0ck: well, i know one person whos tried both that i trust - hangs in ##linux, and ##linux-coders |
| 04:48.30 | Batchz0r | hrmm |
| 04:48.34 | laser_guy | Ok i have installed dtc. it installed apache2 but i dont know if its started |
| 04:48.44 | laser_guy | how do i manualy do it |
| 04:48.45 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Having the latest packages is always a good idea, but it's not highly likely to be an instant fix for this |
| 04:48.49 | gridl0ck | enouf, has he made his score public on the both apps? |
| 04:48.59 | enouf | likely not |
| 04:49.09 | Batchz0r | Yeah i figured, But it could help by giving a different error |
| 04:49.11 | enouf | more of a sound guy ;-) |
| 04:49.11 | gridl0ck | enouf, so far i live and swear by k3b - but someone may think otherwise on a paid app |
| 04:49.25 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: A segmentation fault is a crash, meaning that the program tried to do something with memory that it shouldn't, probably accidentally |
| 04:49.30 | enouf | i know he likes kde |
| 04:49.46 | gridl0ck | enouf, i am fond of kde and have been for years |
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| 04:49.59 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: It's not an error message printed by the game, it's a message printed by the system to inform you of why it abruptly terminated your program |
| 04:49.59 | enouf | i think DEs suck ass |
| 04:50.05 | Batchz0r | Wyzard: Well its a fresh install of kde |
| 04:50.09 | enouf | but <sigh> |
| 04:50.15 | Batchz0r | So i shouldnt see why it would crash |
| 04:50.19 | gridl0ck | enouf, in the 8 years using linux i've only used kde - can't stand the feel of gnome - personal preference of course |
| 04:50.20 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: KDE has nothing to do with it |
| 04:50.28 | enouf | they're huge bloated monsters |
| 04:50.30 | Batchz0r | Sorry i mean fresh system install |
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| 04:50.36 | Batchz0r | Im using KDE |
| 04:50.41 | gridl0ck | enouf, personal preference - works for me (: |
| 04:50.46 | enouf | yep |
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| 04:51.21 | gridl0ck | enouf, although i run systems that support bloated desktops |
| 04:51.27 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Saying that it's a fresh install of the OS doesn't really mean much, though -- this isn't a broken OS, it's a bug in a particular program |
| 04:51.33 | eli1 | hi, icedove is getting broke in etch ? |
| 04:52.08 | Batchz0r | Oh i see, So by upgrading and replacing the old library's etc.. May fix the problem |
| 04:52.15 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: If you have some programming skill, you could run the game under a debugger and get a backtrace to learn more about exactly where, within the program, the crash occurred |
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| 04:52.48 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Feel free to try upgrading, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't help |
| 04:53.00 | Batchz0r | Wyzard: Oh ok, Thanks |
| 04:53.05 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: The problem could be that you have a library that's *newer* than what the game was built for |
| 04:53.18 | Batchz0r | I see |
| 04:53.20 | eli1 | icedove package is breaking here, I runned it with -g flag (for debug), and found that it's receiving a seg fault when in a function NSGetModule() from libmail.so |
| 04:53.24 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: and the game depends on some quirk of the old version that it really shouldn't rely on, and that quirk happened to change in a later version |
| 04:53.43 | eli1 | how do I report this ? should I report for debian system or mozilla ? |
| 04:53.48 | Batchz0r | Ahh i think i know whats happening |
| 04:54.04 | Batchz0r | I should run the updater first... To upgrade the game |
| 04:54.13 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: That sort of thing happens sometimes, but without a stack trace we have no idea what's really happening in this particular case |
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| 04:54.25 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Isn't the updater the thing that's crashing? |
| 04:54.52 | Batchz0r | The client is crashing, The updater is giving me errors.. |
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| 04:55.08 | Batchz0r | Oh wait |
| 04:55.13 | Batchz0r | Sorry Other way around |
| 04:55.41 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: The other error that you mentioned was a lack of libCgGL.so, which should be fixed by nvidia-cg-toolkit |
| 04:56.02 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: so you *might* be able to run the game after fixing that, though I wouldn't be surprised if the game segfaults too |
| 04:56.22 | eli1 | well, I think I'll go back tomorrow, its really late now, If anyone answer my question I'll apreciate, thks. |
| 04:56.32 | Batchz0r | Ok Well, Ill wait untill this upgrade finishes and try the updater again |
| 04:56.40 | eli1 | (I'll leave open, to know) |
| 04:57.02 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Check the game's support forums -- if it crashes on an up-to-date Debian system, it probably crashes on other distros too, and it'd be a known problem to the developers |
| 04:57.16 | Batchz0r | Ok, Thanks ;) |
| 04:57.21 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: How much stuff is being upgraded, if it's taking more than a minute or two? |
| 04:57.32 | Batchz0r | Um, One sec |
| 04:57.44 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Are you running stable, or testing/unstable? |
| 04:57.45 | Batchz0r | 365MB |
| 04:57.48 | Batchz0r | Unstable |
| 04:57.58 | Wyzard | OK, nevermind, that's not surprising |
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| 04:58.10 | Wyzard | just making sure you weren't running sarge and now upgrading to etch, or something like that |
| 04:58.18 | GenNMX | Sigh. Any ideas why my system keeps locking up when trying to finish initializing Linux's software raid, md? Every ATA device in my system starts lighting up like a christmas tree when this happens. On my latest custom kernel build of 2.6.23, I get a time out on accessing /dev/md7 after 1.5 hours. I never had this problem before I tried upgrading from RAID1 to RAID10. |
| 04:58.31 | Batchz0r | Its a netinst of unstable |
| 04:58.59 | Wyzard | GenNMX: I've never used RAID10, but I've been using RAID5 since January with no problems |
| 04:59.09 | drmitch | how can i stop a module from loading at boot, but still be able to load it later? i can't get udev to work, but i want my ivtv to be video0, and my bttv to be video1 |
| 04:59.24 | Batchz0r | drmitch: a initscript? |
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| 04:59.46 | wols | drmitch: blacklist the module and later load it explictily via /etc/modules? |
| 04:59.59 | GenNMX | Wyzard: Well, I was using RAID1 before this just fine, but I wanted increased redundancy with a bit better performance...eh... |
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| 05:00.13 | drmitch | i tried doing blacklist ivtv \n blacklist bttv, but that prevents me from loading the modules EVER |
| 05:00.23 | GenNMX | Wyzard: Right now I have them setup as two RAID 1 arrays stripped, which isn't the same as the "raid10" level in mdadm |
| 05:00.30 | GenNMX | And that's not working either. |
| 05:00.35 | wols | drmitch: how so? |
| 05:01.42 | drmitch | i dunno, lemme retry it |
| 05:01.59 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Well, that tells us that it's not a problem in the raid10 driver |
| 05:02.06 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Have you scanned your disks for errors lately? |
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| 05:02.32 | GenNMX | Wyzard: You mean a fsck? I could, but they're brand new. |
| 05:02.45 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Not fsck, I mean a surface scan |
| 05:02.47 | wols | he means a SMART long est |
| 05:02.50 | wols | *test |
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| 05:03.05 | Wyzard | GenNMX: and a brand-new disk is actually more likely to be faulty than one that's been in use for awhile |
| 05:03.07 | deadcat | how do i burn a dir full of .wav files via wodim/cdrecord? |
| 05:03.23 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Units that are defective from the factory tend to fail early in their life |
| 05:03.48 | Wyzard | GenNMX: smartctl -t long /dev/sdX, on each disk |
| 05:04.04 | MrTelephone | apt-cache search .*php.*md5.* |
| 05:04.08 | GenNMX | Well, Occam's Razor suggests that it has something to do with software, since everything was since until I started throwing around raid10 everywhere. Immediatly after, this problem started occuring. |
| 05:04.26 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Wait however long it tells you, or longer if the disk is being actively used while the scan is in progress, and then smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdX |
| 05:05.06 | deadcat | how do i convert a bunch of .mp3 to .wav via commandline? what do i use? |
| 05:05.12 | GenNMX | OK, I'll try that next after destroying the raid 0. |
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| 05:05.43 | Wyzard | GenNMX: It could be that you have a physical disk problem that existed while you had the raid1, but didn't manifest itself until you started syncing the new array |
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| 05:05.58 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Any relevant messages in syslog when the problem occurs? |
| 05:06.05 | drmitch | yea, still got the same error, ivtv and bttv are black listed and can't be loaded |
| 05:06.09 | Wyzard | GenNMX: (and... md7? How many arrays do you have?) |
| 05:06.22 | wols | drmitch: direct modprobe doesn't work either? |
| 05:06.25 | perlnoob | hi, is there testing program for smtp and pop? |
| 05:06.35 | wols | perlnoob: yes. telnet |
| 05:06.47 | drmitch | okay...that works, but not in rc.local |
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| 05:08.24 | GenNMX | Wyzard: /, /home, /usr, /var, /tmp, swap, /data == 8. |
| 05:08.45 | Wyzard | GenNMX: You have a separate set of hard drives for each of those? |
| 05:09.01 | GenNMX | No, all those partitions exist on the same set of disks. |
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| 05:09.25 | Wyzard | GenNMX: ah... it'd be simpler to make one big array and use LVM on top of it |
| 05:10.40 | GenNMX | Well I might try a lvm ontop of two raid1s if a raid0 doesn't work for some reason. |
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| 05:11.03 | Wyzard | GenghisZ: LVM on RAID-5 is working nicely for me |
| 05:11.30 | militant | guys, i need a wee bit of help... i'd prefer to avoid having to return this laptop tomorrow and trade it for something else. |
| 05:11.34 | Wyzard | GenghisZ: though I have a separate array (RAID-0 rather than RAID-5) on separate partitions for my swap |
| 05:11.44 | Wyzard | oops, GenNMX ^^^ |
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| 05:11.46 | Wyzard | silly tab completion |
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| 05:12.08 | Wyzard | !tell militant about ask |
| 05:12.17 | GenNMX | ./data is getting raid 5, the rest has raid 1. I like raid 1's odds better, and much easier to deal with. |
| 05:12.37 | militant | first issue, sound. lsmod shows all appropriate, alsaconf found and started my card, it shows in lspci, and alsamixer shows master and pcm channels at full volume. but i have no output |
| 05:12.39 | GenNMX | After booting into the rescue CD, I see that some of my arrays are gone. Odd. |
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| 05:13.11 | wols | militant: snd-hda-intel? |
| 05:13.43 | militant | wols |
| 05:13.45 | militant | among others yes |
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| 05:14.31 | militant | and the touch panel for media controls on the keyboard has the mute light in red |
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| 05:15.16 | Wyzard | GenNMX: Have you checked syslog for relevant messages? |
| 05:15.47 | GenNMX | Wyzard: with "debug loglevel=8", shouldn't they be coming to the console? |
| 05:16.21 | GenNMX | Wyzard: since they can't bring up any of the raid devices, the messages can't get logged |
| 05:17.18 | Wyzard | GenNMX: They're kernel messages, so they'd also be available from dmesg, which is in memory... I'd check that just to be safe |
| 05:17.31 | wols | !laptop |
| 05:17.31 | dpkg | well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 05:17.54 | GenNMX | How can you check dmesg if you can't boot? |
| 05:18.12 | militant | wols: yeah i'm looking around linux-laptop.net |
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| 05:18.30 | Wyzard | GenNMX: You said your array runs into problems after about 1.5 hours |
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| 05:18.40 | Wyzard | GenNMX: which implies that it's working and usable before then |
| 05:18.57 | GenNMX | No, I said it times out after 1.5 hours |
| 05:19.22 | GenNMX | It sits there, attacking all my ATA devices, for up to 1.5 hours, then says /dev/md7 is unaccessable and spits me back to initramfs |
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| 05:19.33 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 05:19.45 | Wyzard | Does /bin/dmesg exist in the initramfs? :-) |
| 05:20.08 | GenNMX | Well last time I was there, I didn't check, since I had some other things to try |
| 05:20.23 | GenNMX | Anyway right now I'm trying only the original 2 disks in RAID 1 |
| 05:20.32 | GenNMX | IE, put everything back the way it was. |
| 05:20.42 | militant | wols: nothing on my specific model... checking other site |
| 05:21.04 | Wyzard | afaik, you're right that loglevel=8 should cause everything in dmesg to be printed on the console, but I'd check dmesg next time anyway, just to be sure |
| 05:21.14 | deadcat | what do i use to burn audio cd from .mp3? via commandline |
| 05:21.36 | Batchz0r | How do you check to see if your 32 or 64 bit on debian |
| 05:21.53 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: uname -m |
| 05:22.12 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: will say "i686" on 32-bit or "x86_64" on 64-bit |
| 05:22.16 | Batchz0r | Oh |
| 05:22.18 | Batchz0r | I see |
| 05:22.34 | Batchz0r | I think i may of downloaded the wrong Planeshift client then :+ |
| 05:22.48 | militant | sigh. nothing anywhere |
| 05:22.49 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 05:23.02 | Batchz0r | I have 32bit "i686" |
| 05:23.05 | Wyzard | Well, a 64-bit system can run 32-bit programs (provided the necessary 32-bit libraries are installed) |
| 05:23.30 | Wyzard | and trying to run a 64-bit program on a 32-bit system would result in a message about an unsupported binary format or something like that, not a segmentation fault |
| 05:23.35 | militant | hp pavilion dv9548us |
| 05:24.06 | Batchz0r | Hrmm Ok |
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| 05:27.36 | deadcat | nobody burn .mp3 to audio cds anymore? little help |
| 05:27.46 | Batchz0r | Its called USB's |
| 05:28.02 | Wyzard | deadcat: I go the other way, MP3s (actually Vorbis) from CDs :-) |
| 05:28.08 | Batchz0r | CD's Are epic fail |
| 05:28.50 | deadcat | Wyzard: doh (= |
| 05:29.18 | Batchz0r | Linux only fails at one thing |
| 05:29.20 | Batchz0r | Games |
| 05:29.26 | peterS | deadcat: I dunno, I'd probably just decode the mp3s to 44.1 kHz 16 bit pcm wav files and burn those with 'wodim -v -eject *.wav' |
| 05:29.31 | Wyzard | deadcat: There are probably some GUI tools that'll do automatic MP3 decoding when making an audio CD, but I don't know of any command-line ones |
| 05:29.32 | MajorPoopyPants | and audio video on a pro levcel |
| 05:29.33 | Batchz0r | XP Definatly Beats Linux at games |
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| 05:29.53 | deadcat | peterS: what do you use to go from mp3 to wav? cant find anything that works |
| 05:29.59 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: UT2004 and Quake3/4 run nicely for me |
| 05:30.09 | Batchz0r | Yeah DeusEx Is good under Win |
| 05:30.11 | Batchz0r | Wine* |
| 05:30.13 | peterS | deadcat: mpg123 -wav foo.wav foo.mp3 |
| 05:30.14 | deadcat | Wyzard: i used to use gcombust but that package is no longer available and the other ones dont work as well. i want something EASY (= |
| 05:30.18 | deadcat | peterS: thanks |
| 05:30.18 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: UT2004 even comes with Linux installers (both 32-bit and 64-bit!) on the installation DVD, which is pretty impressive |
| 05:30.36 | Wyzard | deadcat: Try brasero -- it can probably do it, though I've never used it for making audio CDs |
| 05:30.37 | Batchz0r | DeusEx - Unreal Engine also |
| 05:30.59 | Wyzard | Deus Ex doesn't have a Linux installer afaik |
| 05:31.06 | Batchz0r | afaik? |
| 05:31.11 | Wyzard | as far as I know |
| 05:31.12 | Batchz0r | It runs under wine |
| 05:31.55 | Wyzard | I'm not a fan of wine... I'd rather just run stuff on my Windows box if I can't run it natively in Linux |
| 05:32.03 | Batchz0r | Heh |
| 05:32.13 | Batchz0r | Well, Planeshift = Epic Fail on my box |
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| 05:32.23 | Wyzard | I've been unimpressed with wine/cedega each time I've tried them |
| 05:32.55 | deadcat | peterS: for i in *.mp3; do mpg321 -wav "$i.wav" "$i"; done <-- i get z11-blondie-picture_this.mp3.wav: No such file or directory and so on... |
| 05:33.14 | Batchz0r | If i ran planeshift with an output command, would it log why it seg faulted or just the message |
| 05:33.30 | Wyzard | peterS: You need to remove the .mp3 extension from $i |
| 05:33.39 | peterS | deadcat: ahh, --wav not -wav. or -w for short. |
| 05:33.50 | deadcat | peterS: thansk |
| 05:33.56 | peterS | deadcat: to do what Wyzard suggests, you want "$(basename "$i" .mp3)" |
| 05:34.00 | deadcat | peterS: yay (= |
| 05:34.07 | snacky | "${i}.wav" |
| 05:34.08 | Wyzard | oops, deadcat not peterS |
| 05:34.30 | peterS | or rather "$(basename "$i" .mp3)".wav (: |
| 05:34.43 | peterS | or "${i/mp3/wav}" in bash |
| 05:34.51 | deadcat | Wyzard: i just have it as .mp3.wav. dont matter. i rm them anyway |
| 05:35.05 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: It wouldn't log *why* it segfaulted, because when it encounters the segfault it's terminated immediately by the kernel and can't log anything else |
| 05:35.27 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: it might print some relevant messages *before* encountering the segfault, but it's not particularly likely |
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| 05:35.38 | peterS | I forgot about bash ${i/mp3/wav} syntax until just now. but yeah the name hardly matters so long as it ends in .wav so that wodim recognises it without need for anything explicit like -audio |
| 05:35.41 | Batchz0r | oh ok |
| 05:36.11 | MajorPoopyPants | exit |
| 05:36.15 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: As I said earlier, a backtrace could provide more information about where the segfault occurred |
| 05:36.17 | deadcat | peterS: ya. i have -audio with wodim as alias but i forgot what i used it for hehe. |
| 05:36.31 | Batchz0r | Wyzard: I have no idea how to do that |
| 05:36.35 | deadcat | now we're in business |
| 05:36.54 | peterS | deadcat: wodim autodetects audio files every time I try it. I'm not sure if it's noticing the '*.wav' filename or actually checking the file type, but either way, I approve.. |
| 05:37.29 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: install the "build-essential" and "gdb" packages (the former might depend on the latter; I'm not sure offhand) |
| 05:37.30 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:37.37 | Batchz0r | ok |
| 05:37.41 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Then run planeshift under gdb -- "gdb planeshift" or whatever |
| 05:37.42 | Batchz0r | And it wont break anything? |
| 05:37.46 | dakoo | hey gusy whats new |
| 05:37.54 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: When it crashes, you'll get a gdb> prompt |
| 05:38.04 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: Type "backtrace" there, and paste the output somewhere |
| 05:38.46 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: No, installing gdb won't break your system |
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| 05:39.04 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: It's a debugger, a tool used by programmers to examine what's going on inside a program as it runs |
| 05:39.19 | Batchz0r | Oh ok |
| 05:39.23 | Batchz0r | Hrmm one sec |
| 05:39.58 | peterS | may as well tell him to type 'bt' as it is easier to spell than 'backtrace' (: |
| 05:40.03 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: The backtrace output provides some information about what the program was doing at the point where it crashed |
| 05:40.43 | Wyzard | peterS: yeah, but I've already talked about getting a backtrace, so using the full command name makes it clear that it's what this command does |
| 05:40.55 | Batchz0r | "gdb psc" |
| 05:40.56 | peterS | heh |
| 05:41.09 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: As peterS points out, you can type "bt" as shorthand for "backtrace" at the gdb> prompt if you want |
| 05:41.13 | Batchz0r | Ok |
| 05:41.26 | Batchz0r | No stack |
| 05:41.27 | Batchz0r | Lol |
| 05:41.45 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: That's after the program crashes, not before |
| 05:42.00 | Wyzard | Oh, I forgot, starting gdb with psc loaded doesn't automatically start it running |
| 05:42.04 | Wyzard | Type "run" at the gdb> prompt |
| 05:42.15 | Wyzard | Then it'll crash, then you do the backtrace |
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| 05:42.51 | Batchz0r | Still no stack, but it gave me an error before the client exited |
| 05:43.04 | Wyzard | What error? |
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| 05:43.09 | Batchz0r | One sec |
| 05:43.33 | Batchz0r | !paste |
| 05:43.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 05:44.07 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: "Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault"? |
| 05:44.22 | Batchz0r | No |
| 05:44.28 | Batchz0r | Ill paste what it says for updater |
| 05:44.35 | Wyzard | Batchz0r: hmm, then it didn't segfault this time |
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| 05:45.50 | Batchz0r | http://paste.debian.net/40604 |
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| 05:47.35 | Wyzard | OK, *that* looks like a case of trying to run a 64-bit program on a 32-bit system |
| 05:48.34 | Batchz0r | Lol |
| 05:48.39 | Batchz0r | I found a seg fault in pss |
| 05:48.41 | Batchz0r | sec |
| 05:48.43 | Wyzard | but this same program ran (albeit with a crash) earlier? |
| 05:48.48 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:48.56 | Batchz0r | http://paste.debian.net/40605 |
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| 05:49.43 | Wyzard | OK, that backtrace isn't very informative |
| 05:50.11 | Wyzard | The ?? indicates that debugging information was left out of the compiled program (which is often done to make the file smaller) |
| 05:50.20 | Batchz0r | Oh ok |
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| 05:50.38 | Wyzard | Line #0 is the most important one, but it has ?? instead of the function name where the crash occurred |
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| 05:50.58 | Batchz0r | :( |
| 05:51.06 | Wyzard | Debugging this further would require recompiling the game with debug info enabled, which is probably beyond your skills if you're not a programmer |
| 05:51.24 | Wyzard | so I'll restate my earlier advice: check the game's forums or whatever, since this is likely a known problem |
| 05:51.33 | Batchz0r | Ok |
| 05:51.40 | Batchz0r | Well thanks for your help (: |
| 05:52.22 | Wyzard | and you might also want to look into why you have (apparently) a 64-bit updater program but the game itself is 32-bit |
| 05:52.37 | Wyzard | Run "file" on the updater program... what does it say? |
| 05:53.02 | Batchz0r | updater: Bourne-Again shell script text executable |
| 05:53.04 | Batchz0r | oops |
| 05:53.21 | Wyzard | OK, it's a wrapper for something else |
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| 05:53.30 | Wyzard | You could read the script to see what program it's really running |
| 05:53.51 | Batchz0r | Im going to reinstall |
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| 05:54.01 | Wyzard | Running "file" on a real, compiled program should say either "ELF 32-bit LSB executable" or "ELF 64-bit LSB executable" |
| 05:54.05 | Wyzard | Reinstall what, Debian? Or the game? |
| 05:54.05 | Batchz0r | Because ive been making it a system wide install that uses wrappers |
| 05:54.11 | Batchz0r | Game |
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| 05:55.09 | RudyV | hi |
| 05:55.45 | Batchz0r | One of the files said something about being an ELF Executable |
| 05:56.10 | Batchz0r | Yeah "pss" |
| 05:56.17 | RudyV | why am I getting "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" and "eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1" on my screen every 20-30 seconds or so? |
| 05:56.24 | Wyzard | The game client itself? |
| 05:56.25 | Batchz0r | ELF 32 bit LSB executable |
| 05:56.39 | Wyzard | No surprise there |
| 05:57.01 | mosty | RudyV, what kind of network card do you have? |
| 05:57.07 | RudyV | (i'm IRC'ing from my other computer) |
| 05:57.15 | Batchz0r | Oh |
| 05:57.19 | RudyV | It's an onboard Realtek 8139-series |
| 05:57.24 | Batchz0r | Updater is a config file i think |
| 05:57.24 | Wyzard | (As background info, ELF is the file format used for programs and libraries on current Linux systems... it's analogous to the "PE" (Portable Executable) format used for .exe and .dll files in Windows) |
| 05:57.40 | Wyzard | A config file wouldn't be runnable |
| 05:57.42 | Batchz0r | An "up" is the executable |
| 05:57.47 | Batchz0r | And* |
| 05:57.56 | RudyV | It works fine in Windows. |
| 05:58.01 | Wyzard | It's a script that probably sets some environment variables and then runs the real program |
| 05:58.06 | Batchz0r | yeah |
| 05:58.10 | Wyzard | What does "file" say on the "up" program? |
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| 05:58.30 | Batchz0r | up: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 05:58.30 | RudyV | But it isn't working in Debian etch. |
| 05:58.50 | RudyV | mosty? |
| 05:59.24 | mosty | RudyV, those cards should be well supported :/ |
| 05:59.48 | RudyV | I don't know why it's acting so odd |
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| 06:00.10 | Wyzard | That could be a faulty cable |
| 06:00.18 | Wyzard | which won't necessarily break the entire connection |
| 06:00.44 | RudyV | I'll try a different cable, but I've tried other netcards and they work fine |
| 06:00.49 | Wyzard | (so "works in Windows" doesn't necessarily mean anything) |
| 06:01.05 | Wyzard | Well, it could be a faulty card too |
| 06:01.11 | peterS | RudyV: does this card work fine? I mean ignoring the console messages |
| 06:01.17 | Wyzard | The message basically means the card lost the signal briefly and then re-acquired it |
| 06:01.21 | mosty | 8139's aren't great cards, just swap it for another if you have any handy |
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| 06:01.32 | RudyV | it |
| 06:01.38 | RudyV | *it's integrated on my mobo |
| 06:02.08 | Wyzard | You could disable it and put a different network card in a PCI slot, then |
| 06:02.13 | mosty | do you only see the link up messages, or do you see "link down" messages too? |
| 06:02.30 | Wyzard | I "replaced" my motherboard's built-in 100mbit Ethernet with an Intel gigabit card |
| 06:02.33 | RudyV | only "link up" |
| 06:02.47 | lekvar | anyone know if grub can use an iso image file or is unpacking the thing mandatory |
| 06:02.53 | Wyzard | mosty: I think the "transmit timed out" implies link down |
| 06:03.09 | peterS | RudyV: does this card work fine? I mean ignoring the console messages |
| 06:03.18 | RudyV | No |
| 06:03.26 | RudyV | I am trying to ping |
| 06:03.36 | RudyV | but it just says |
| 06:03.37 | mosty | Wyzard, normally if the physical link drops out, you see a link down mesage, not a watchdog transmit timed out message, in my experience |
| 06:03.46 | RudyV | "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" and "eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full duplex, lpa 0x41E1" on my screen |
| 06:04.12 | RudyV | so something may be wrong with my onboard ethernet? |
| 06:04.25 | RudyV | I'm even trying another cable. |
| 06:04.46 | peterS | RudyV: oh also, just to be sure you're using the right driver: if you run 'lspci | grep 8139', what card revision does it say? that would be the "(rev NN)" at the end of the line |
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| 06:05.10 | RudyV | lspci: command not found |
| 06:05.30 | peterS | meh, that requires 'pciutils'. never mind, I'm not sure if there's an easy way to extract that same information without that |
| 06:07.05 | RudyV | so I need a new netcard? :( |
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| 06:07.31 | Wyzard | possibly, but 8139 cards are very inexpensive |
| 06:07.40 | RudyV | It's on my mobo |
| 06:07.42 | Wyzard | usually around $5 USD |
| 06:07.49 | RudyV | It isn't a card |
| 06:07.50 | peterS | I've always had good luck with 8139s, but they do have a reputation for being cheap and poor. it's quite possible yours is flaky. |
| 06:08.02 | Wyzard | That's OK, you can disable it in the BIOS and put a different one in a PCI slot |
| 06:08.04 | RudyV | I don't have another card |
| 06:08.12 | peterS | you said that already, RudyV. that's not the point. the point is that you can buy a card and plug it in. |
| 06:08.15 | RudyV | It works with Windows |
| 06:08.22 | RudyV | but not here |
| 06:08.23 | RudyV | :/ |
| 06:08.32 | RudyV | which is what I fail to understand. |
| 06:08.43 | peterS | RudyV: you can always try 'rmmod 8139too; modprobe 8139cp' |
| 06:08.55 | Batchz0r | Where are the fonts located? |
| 06:08.58 | Wyzard | That's not entirely surprising, on marginally-bad hardware |
| 06:09.01 | peterS | RudyV: that will try the other driver, the one that works only with newer 8139 series chips. the driver will complain if your chip isn't new enough |
| 06:09.15 | RudyV | it didn't display anything |
| 06:09.24 | peterS | RudyV: run 'dmesg | tail' to see what it had to say |
| 06:09.25 | Wyzard | It may be the Windows driver is a bit more forgiving of hardware errors,or configures the card slightly differently |
| 06:09.56 | RudyV | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:0d.0 disabled |
| 06:10.08 | RudyV | there's no other messages related to it |
| 06:10.21 | Batchz0r | Where are fonts located? |
| 06:10.26 | peterS | RudyV: so when the 8139cp module loaded, it didn't put any information in the 'dmesg' output at all? |
| 06:10.45 | RudyV | nope |
| 06:11.03 | RudyV | just the line from disabling 8139too |
| 06:11.14 | peterS | interesting - it should have noticed your 8139 chip, then decided either to drive it or complain that it was the wrong driver |
| 06:11.20 | RudyV | yeah |
| 06:11.32 | Wyzard | Do you have an eth0 now? |
| 06:11.37 | peterS | the story is, 8139too works with all 8139 chips, 8139cp only works with newer ones |
| 06:11.37 | RudyV | nope |
| 06:11.56 | Wyzard | ok, looks like 8139cp doesn't support your card |
| 06:11.56 | RudyV | eth0: error fetching device information: Device not found |
| 06:12.13 | peterS | (I asked about that lspci line because 8139cp basically supports "(rev 20)" and newer) |
| 06:12.25 | peterS | (wait, no, "(rev 32)" and newer, I believe) |
| 06:12.32 | Wyzard | It'd certainly be a good idea to install pciutils and actually run lspci |
| 06:14.02 | RudyV | hm, when I do apt-get install pciutils: |
| 06:14.24 | RudyV | "Package pciutils is not available, but is referred to by another package..." |
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| 06:14.39 | RudyV | "E: Package pciutils has no installation candidate" |
| 06:15.02 | peterS | RudyV: oh that probably means you installed from a netinst CD and you haven't been able to run 'apt-get update' with http sources |
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| 06:15.03 | calmar | hi all, there's a program what tells i'm the sources.list server someone should use. I forgot the name. any idea? |
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| 06:15.14 | RudyV | yeah :/ |
| 06:15.25 | peterS | and pciutils isn't included on the netinst cd, so.... |
| 06:15.29 | Wyzard | or just installed from a regular CD but didn't feed all the CDs to the installer to be scanned for packages |
| 06:15.51 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "GNOME Power Manager is a session daemon for the GNOME desktop environment that makes it easy to manage your laptop or desktop system." Can one tell me what a 'session daemon' is? |
| 06:15.52 | RudyV | hm, is it possible for it to have IRQ 217? |
| 06:16.06 | peterS | RudyV: yes, we're not in 1988 anymore (: |
| 06:16.11 | RudyV | ah |
| 06:16.19 | markybob | bullgard4 it's a daemon that runs while you're logged in |
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| 06:16.38 | bullgard4 | markybob: Thank you for explaining. |
| 06:16.43 | peterS | on modern systems IRQ numbers aren't limited to 15 like on the old IBM PC/AT PIC (programmable interrupt controller) |
| 06:16.51 | RudyV | ah |
| 06:17.08 | RudyV | I've seen on Windows devices with, like, IRQ 22 |
| 06:17.15 | RudyV | so yeah I guess that's fine |
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| 06:17.27 | RudyV | but I don't know if IRQ 217 is a valid IRQ |
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| 06:17.49 | bullgard4 | markybob: Why does GNOME Power Manager run only when I am logged in? Is it not useful that it runs all the time? |
| 06:17.57 | Wyzard | IRQs are assigned automatically by the PCI subsystem and have nothing to do with card-specific drivers like 8139too |
| 06:18.04 | RudyV | oh |
| 06:18.12 | Wyzard | If your card was configured with that IRQ, it's almost certainly valid |
| 06:18.18 | DawnLight | who need help |
| 06:18.19 | RudyV | hm. |
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| 06:18.28 | Wyzard | I've been using Linux full-time for nearly 7 years and I've never seen a problem related to a wrong IRQ on a PCI card |
| 06:18.37 | RudyV | then I guess I'm screwed. |
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| 06:18.41 | peterS | Wyzard: well unless his PCI BIOS is fubar and interrupt routing didn't work for that card ... which would also explain his timeouts |
| 06:18.53 | RudyV | I don't have another card or money to buy one. |
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| 06:19.00 | Wyzard | My advice would be to buy another 8139 card -- they're very inexpensive, and even if you manage to get this one working, it doesn't hurt to have a spare |
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| 06:19.04 | markybob | bullgard4 because if you're not logged in, you're not there to use it. mainly what gnome power manager does is interface between the user and hal. hal is running at all times behind the scene. gnome power manager presents the user with popups and easy settings to control hal |
| 06:19.17 | RudyV | hm... |
| 06:19.28 | RudyV | I guess I could steal the one out of my old Mac |
| 06:19.32 | gridl0ck | changing pci slot will alter the irq -in some cases |
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| 06:19.58 | wols | gridl0ck: due to pci irq steering, it almost always changes IRQs |
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| 06:20.27 | wols | but with built in devices this is kinda hard to do |
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| 06:21.00 | gridl0ck | wols, roger that |
| 06:21.08 | bullgard4 | markybob: Thank you for your excellent answer. I will carefully think about it. |
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| 06:21.32 | RudyV | 'kay |
| 06:21.33 | peterS | RudyV: you can try stuff like booting with the 'pci=nobios' command line flag, or 'pci=noapic'. that affects how interrupts are set up |
| 06:21.40 | RudyV | I stole the ethernet card from my Mac |
| 06:21.50 | DawnLight | how can i constantly print the changes to a file to stdout? |
| 06:22.10 | peterS | DawnLight: if the changes are _additions_, you can use 'tail -f filename' or 'less +F filename' |
| 06:22.36 | DawnLight | peterS: they aren't additions. it is a ttyS* |
| 06:22.41 | Wyzard | RudyV: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833180004 |
| 06:22.46 | Wyzard | RudyV: Like I said, very inexpensive |
| 06:23.04 | Wyzard | RudyV: If we were talking face-to-face I'd pull one out of my parts bin and give it to you -- I have at least five of them that I don't need |
| 06:23.10 | peterS | Wyzard: I still wonder if it _is_ an interrupt routing problem, though |
| 06:23.17 | muh2000_ | is there a folder/file where i can put in simple lines(f.e. creating a link) i want to execute when the system boots ? |
| 06:23.40 | Wyzard | peterS: I understand what you mean, but that's something I've never seen happen, and have no experience with |
| 06:23.42 | RudyV | its ok |
| 06:23.54 | RudyV | i stole the one from my mac |
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| 06:25.08 | Wyzard | RudyV: Use it to install pciutils and run lspci, to see exactly what your built-in one really is |
| 06:25.57 | wols | RudyV: what mobo is it? |
| 06:25.58 | Wyzard | I have, I think, seven 8139s, one 8029 (10mbit), and one 8169 (gigabit) spare |
| 06:25.59 | peterS | I used to have a spare 8139 but I mailed it to helix 'cause she had a need for another NIC. I forget why. |
| 06:26.06 | Wyzard | I've seen a built-in 8139 |
| 06:26.20 | Wyzard | My current board has two built-in 8168s (the PCIe version if the 8169) |
| 06:26.35 | peterS | I have an onboard 8139 - has always worked fine |
| 06:26.37 | wols | Wyzard: your mobo has 3 nics? |
| 06:26.38 | DawnLight | why does my man viewer only have a --More-- thing at the bottom and i can only press return and not go up and down with arrows? |
| 06:26.48 | Wyzard | No, just those two |
| 06:26.51 | peterS | DawnLight: you probably don't have the 'less' package installed |
| 06:27.01 | wols | and your chipset? has no ethernet card? |
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| 06:27.25 | Wyzard | It's an Intel ICH8, which I believe has its own network interface, but the board doesn't seem to use it |
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| 06:27.33 | peterS | do chipsets ever come with nics directly? other than nforce and various embedded SOCs? |
| 06:27.37 | wols | strange |
| 06:27.38 | Azar | DawnLight: you can set your shell environment to use the less feature |
| 06:27.46 | wols | peterS: you can't buy one without anymore |
| 06:27.51 | peterS | I thought ICH boards always used broadcom or 3com or realtek or whoever |
| 06:27.52 | wols | and for quite some time too |
| 06:27.56 | larsl` | Is it possible to setup cryptmount so it can mount encrypted filesystems created using cryptsetup? |
| 06:27.57 | DawnLight | right. didn't have it installed |
| 06:27.58 | Wyzard | My router box has a built-in 8139 |
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| 06:28.21 | larsl` | cryptmount seems to require a keyfile, which I don't have - I just type a password when doing 'cryptsetup create'. |
| 06:28.22 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 06:28.28 | wols | every southbridge on the market has at least one NIC built in (without PHY of course) |
| 06:29.04 | peterS | oh, well, if you don't hook a phy up to it, it isn't terribly useful |
| 06:29.04 | markybob | what the hell ever happened to electricelf? last seen 458 days? have i been gone that long? what happened to this place? :p |
| 06:29.06 | DawnLight | great! now, how do i print changes to a file to stdout? like a constant cat |
| 06:29.12 | wols | sure but if you have to buy another ethernet chip and a phy too you pay more usually |
| 06:29.12 | Wyzard | seems weird that a motherboard manufacturer would put another NIC on the board instead of using the one in the chipset, though |
| 06:29.27 | Wyzard | DawnLight: tail -f |
| 06:29.27 | RudyV | yeah |
| 06:29.30 | Azar | hey, mister markybob , welcome back |
| 06:29.40 | markybob | Azar hey, thanks :) |
| 06:29.43 | peterS | markybob: he's been a staff person on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for a long time, so I guess he doesn't find freenode all that interesting |
| 06:29.50 | Wyzard | DawnLight: or inotail -f (in the "inotail" package) for a bit more efficiency on recent kernels |
| 06:29.59 | Azar | Wyzard: my little box here has one builtin and one extra attached |
| 06:30.20 | markybob | peterS ah. |
| 06:30.22 | RudyV | weird |
| 06:30.36 | RudyV | the card plugged into the board made the other one work somehow |
| 06:30.36 | Azar | the ever silent and depressing oftc |
| 06:30.38 | Wyzard | yeah, I have another box that has one port for the built-in nForce NIC and a second port for an additional 3Com NIC |
| 06:30.44 | DawnLight | Wyzard: note, these aren't additions to the file, for the file is ttyS* |
| 06:30.48 | peterS | Wyzard: my favorite tail is 'less -S +F filename'. the -S is optional, means chop long lines instead of wrapping. it's nice because you can hit ^C and you've got all the functionality of less, then type F to return to tail-f mode |
| 06:31.05 | RudyV | hm |
| 06:31.07 | Wyzard | DawnLight: ah... I can see how tail won't work for that, but inotail *might* |
| 06:31.15 | RudyV | the apt configuration is set only for the CD |
| 06:31.16 | DawnLight | trying |
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| 06:31.41 | peterS | RudyV: ok I'm guessing it _is_ an interrupt routing problem, and disturbing the PCI bus happened to make the bug not show up |
| 06:31.42 | CryptoMole | hey all anyone have exp. w/ audigy2zs notebook pcmcia sound card? |
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| 06:31.57 | RudyV | hm |
| 06:32.08 | RudyV | I think I'll just use the 8139 card stolen from my mac |
| 06:32.16 | calmar | I found it: netselect took quite some time |
| 06:32.20 | RudyV | since I dont use the mac but rarely |
| 06:32.28 | Azar | RudyV: use apt setup (or apt-setup) to get some sources, #comment the CD source |
| 06:33.58 | CryptoMole | well if anyone knows how to get this card setup let me know. |
| 06:34.19 | CryptoMole | this card has alot of noise when plugged in |
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| 06:34.42 | Wyzard | CryptoMole: The fact that it's a PCMCIA/CardBus card should be irrelevant -- it's just PCI as far as the system is concerned |
| 06:35.14 | CryptoMole | so why would it make all the noise |
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| 06:35.56 | RudyV | weird |
| 06:36.08 | RudyV | disabling onboard ethernet causes the card to not be recognized |
| 06:36.27 | Wyzard | Possibly electromagnetic interference from the rest of the computer, since the PCMCIA form factor doesn't really leave a lot of room for shielding, but I doubt Creative would sell Audigy cards in that form factor if they were going to have problems like that |
| 06:36.36 | DawnLight | i see my where this isn't working. this is the result of setserial /dev/ttyS0: ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 |
| 06:36.37 | Wyzard | so I don't know; I don't have any experience with the Audigy |
| 06:36.55 | DawnLight | does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 06:37.05 | Wyzard | (though I use an SB Live! 5.1 in my desktop... it's seven years old but it sounds fine to me) |
| 06:37.14 | RudyV | hm |
| 06:37.35 | RudyV | this can't be happening |
| 06:38.07 | markybob | RudyV c'mon...everyone knows what can go wrong, will. elementary, my man ;) |
| 06:38.12 | DawnLight | i can tell setserial to set a uart. there is a list in setserial --help. can that damage the hardware? |
| 06:38.17 | Wyzard | RudyV: The behavior you're seeing is weird, but it's possible of the problem is with IRQ routing like peterS suggested |
| 06:38.27 | RudyV | I don't know how to fix that |
| 06:38.29 | Wyzard | RudyV: See if there's a BIOS update available for your motherboard -- that *might* help |
| 06:38.42 | RudyV | Wyzard: I already have the latest version |
| 06:38.44 | DawnLight | i lie BIOS updates |
| 06:38.51 | Wyzard | RudyV: Otherwise, just leave the secondary card in; there's your fix |
| 06:39.02 | DawnLight | a cheap fix |
| 06:39.05 | peterS | RudyV: I already suggested booting with 'pci=nobios' and if that didn't help, 'pci=noacpi' |
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| 06:39.47 | Wyzard | DawnLight: I upgraded the BIOS in my desktop a few days ago and the ACHI controller stopped working... I had to go back to the previous revision |
| 06:39.55 | Wyzard | s/ACHI/AHCI/ |
| 06:40.01 | markybob | petemc do you need to specify pci? i thought just noacpi did the trick |
| 06:40.19 | DawnLight | i don't know what AHCI is :) wikipedia |
| 06:40.20 | guh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.36 | peterS | markybob: does noacpi work? I imagine that would turn off _all_ of acpi, which I don't think is what he wants |
| 06:40.37 | Wyzard | DawnLight: a type of SATA controller, the best-supported type in Linux AFAIK |
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| 06:41.05 | peterS | markybob: also are you confusing acpi with apic? there is a noapic flag |
| 06:41.18 | RudyV | hmm... |
| 06:41.27 | markybob | peterS you're right. i've had a few beers :) |
| 06:41.33 | RudyV | still doesn't seem to help |
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| 06:41.46 | peterS | RudyV: still using IRQ 224 or whatever? |
| 06:42.17 | RudyV | It's IRQ 145 :/ |
| 06:42.20 | peterS | RudyV: and when you do 'grep eth /proc/interrupts', what does that say? |
| 06:42.45 | RudyV | it doesn't return anything |
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| 06:43.11 | peterS | that's odd, it should at least say 145: nnnn IO-API-edge eth0 or something like that |
| 06:43.28 | RudyV | :o |
| 06:43.42 | RudyV | my BIOS must be dumb |
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| 06:44.38 | RudyV | hm |
| 06:44.52 | RudyV | digging through my parts bin... |
| 06:44.59 | RudyV | Intel card. |
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| 06:45.16 | Wyzard | RudyV: Since you were curious about high IRQ numbers... my video card is using IRQ 1273 :-) |
| 06:45.29 | Wyzard | RudyV: ooh, nice... Intel NICs are a bit better than Realtek ones, AFAIK |
| 06:45.59 | RudyV | has a bootrom tho |
| 06:46.01 | RudyV | I hate bootroms |
| 06:46.09 | Wyzard | Why? |
| 06:46.20 | Wyzard | It's harmless if you're not using it |
| 06:46.40 | peterS | Wyzard: well except the really old 82557s that the linux driver has to work around various bugs in (: |
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| 06:46.48 | RudyV | it delays the startup |
| 06:47.04 | Wyzard | RudyV: Only if you put it before the hard drive in the BIOS boot order |
| 06:47.10 | RudyV | no |
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| 06:47.29 | RudyV | it still does on my box |
| 06:47.36 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 06:47.42 | Wyzard | Well, at any rate, it's only a few seconds |
| 06:47.47 | peterS | no, boot roms are generally all allowed to run, be they for a video card, HD controller, NIC... |
| 06:47.54 | elizabeth_ | how do you manually build a debian kernel module without using module-assistant? |
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| 06:48.01 | RudyV | think about it |
| 06:48.12 | RudyV | a few seconds a day adds up |
| 06:48.19 | RudyV | wasted time |
| 06:48.26 | Wyzard | peterS: yeah, but it shouldn't be trying to actually do BOOTP and all if it's not in the boot order |
| 06:48.30 | RudyV | best spent on other stuff |
| 06:48.30 | Wyzard | RudyV: You reboot your box every day? |
| 06:49.05 | peterS | Wyzard: no, but just initialising the card might take time. I have an older nv card that takes a couple of seconds every time X starts, because it wants to run the boot rom via the int10 module |
| 06:49.09 | Wyzard | RudyV: 5 seconds is 0.006% of a day |
| 06:49.18 | RudyV | add that up over a year |
| 06:49.28 | Wyzard | RudyV: Added up over a year, it's 0.006% of a year |
| 06:49.38 | RudyV | still |
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| 06:50.08 | peterS | if you reboot twice a year it is 1/3157250 |
| 06:50.15 | peterS | if you reboot more often it would be a larger fraction of your time |
| 06:50.22 | RudyV | heres a network everywhere nc100 |
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| 06:52.40 | Wyzard | RudyV: Incidentally, 5 seconds per day added up over a year is half an hour |
| 06:52.56 | guh | lol |
| 06:53.04 | RudyV | that is a half hour more |
| 06:53.10 | peterS | only if you reboot _every single day_. I mean honestly, this is Linux, right? |
| 06:53.13 | RudyV | for doing other things. |
| 06:53.21 | Wyzard | Half an hour per year is pretty negligible -- and that's assuming you reboot every day, and you always sit at your computer twiddling your thumbs (rather than doing other things) while it reboots |
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| 06:55.13 | RudyV | I don't use netboot anyway |
| 06:55.21 | RudyV | so it's a ROM taking up address space. |
| 06:55.31 | Azar | damn she left .. |
| 06:55.32 | RudyV | taking away from my system's memory/ |
| 06:55.48 | DawnLight | i wannna see if i can guess on what my uart is. can ya'll please tell me what your uarts are? if i see that everyone has got the same uarts i'll give it a go. you can check by typing 'setserial /dev/ttyS0' and you'll need the setserial package |
| 06:56.03 | Wyzard | I don't think it actually "takes away" from your available memory |
| 06:56.06 | RudyV | hm |
| 06:56.13 | Wyzard | but even if it does, it's a few kilobytes at most |
| 06:56.13 | RudyV | I can't even get this other card to work |
| 06:56.18 | Azar | only that stupid howtoforge site kept me so long, I have to disable images on it |
| 06:56.20 | Wyzard | It's not like there's a whole OS in that ROM |
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| 06:56.32 | RudyV | I can't get a tulip card to work even |
| 06:56.49 | Wyzard | DawnLight: Unless your system is ancient, it's a 16550A |
| 06:57.00 | Wyzard | or, at least, something compatible with one |
| 06:57.01 | RudyV | damn |
| 06:57.06 | RudyV | I don't know what's going on here |
| 06:57.07 | DawnLight | Wyzard: a pentium 3 |
| 06:57.38 | DawnLight | Wyzard: why won't it autodetect? is it udev's job? |
| 06:57.40 | RudyV | I tried an 8139 card and a tulip card |
| 06:57.44 | RudyV | neither is working |
| 06:57.44 | Wyzard | DawnLight: PCs went from 8250 to 16550 UARTS sometime around the 8086 or 286 era, I believe |
| 06:57.58 | RudyV | :( |
| 06:57.58 | GenNMX | I think I destroyed the ability to use raid somehow. |
| 06:58.06 | Azar | I guess she thought that she is not welcome on a channel full of testosterons |
| 06:58.08 | Wyzard | RudyV: if it's PCI IRQ routing, it'd be irrelevant what type of card it is |
| 06:58.26 | RudyV | I guess I'm not able to use Linux. |
| 06:58.47 | Wyzard | RudyV: You've already found a working solution: put in a different network card |
| 06:58.53 | peterS | DawnLight: this might be a dumb question, but is the serial port enabled in your bios? |
| 06:58.54 | RudyV | no |
| 06:59.07 | Guerin | Wyzard: not stricvtly. I have some cards which consistently fail to work in some machines, but are fine in others |
| 06:59.17 | Guerin | one of them is in fact an 8139 |
| 06:59.22 | RudyV | I've tried an 8139 and a tulip |
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| 06:59.28 | RudyV | neither works. |
| 06:59.30 | RudyV | so therefore |
| 06:59.40 | DawnLight | peterS: well, i am known to be some times but... will check |
| 06:59.42 | Wyzard | RudyV: You said earlier that you put in the 8139 from your Mac and it made the built-in NIC start working |
| 06:59.45 | Azar | I never buy intel stuff, allways suspicious of the performance |
| 07:00.02 | RudyV | Wyzard: I don't know if it was the builtin nic or the 8139 |
| 07:00.02 | Wyzard | Azar: I have some Intel PRO/1000 gigabit cards and they work fine |
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| 07:00.14 | Azar | Wyzard: wild luck? |
| 07:00.16 | Wyzard | RudyV: Well, one of them worked, right? |
| 07:00.23 | RudyV | yes but Windows will detect both |
| 07:00.29 | RudyV | and I don't want another netcard in windows |
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| 07:00.41 | Wyzard | so disable it in Device Manager |
| 07:00.43 | RudyV | *sigh* I'll try the intel |
| 07:00.45 | Azar | RudyV: a good hardware is the hardware that works with "any" operating system |
| 07:00.55 | RudyV | bootrom be damned at this stage. |
| 07:01.19 | Azar | well.. hmm besides mac |
| 07:01.56 | Wyzard | RudyV: and consider getting a motherboard with a BIOS that isn't so quirky :-) |
| 07:02.20 | Azar | possibly a non-intel chipped one ? |
| 07:02.35 | Wyzard | RudyV: I wasn't paying attention earlier... did you try pci=nobios and pci=noapic? |
| 07:02.38 | RudyV | cant |
| 07:02.50 | RudyV | new motherboard == new case |
| 07:03.03 | Azar | yea that's right.. |
| 07:03.07 | RudyV | compaq |
| 07:03.10 | RudyV | rememebr |
| 07:03.13 | RudyV | oops |
| 07:03.18 | RudyV | I have a Compaq. |
| 07:03.19 | Azar | well try sticking other cards in..ewwww compaq |
| 07:03.22 | Wyzard | ah... I don't think you mentioned that it's a Compaq |
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| 07:03.30 | moefoe | ( was just about to say "it must be a compaq" ) |
| 07:03.32 | Wyzard | Now you know not to buy those, too :-P |
| 07:03.52 | RudyV | This computer was given to me |
| 07:03.58 | RudyV | I can't get another. |
| 07:04.07 | RudyV | I'm broke |
| 07:04.17 | Azar | hmmm /me smiles at the devilish thought... |
| 07:04.29 | moefoe | <- had a strange situation, with a token ring card, whereby I could not configure it. Pop it out & put into any other machine, no problem. It was a compaq |
| 07:04.32 | Azar | RudyV: say would you try to install Debian Woody? I bet gonna work |
| 07:04.46 | RudyV | have to make do with what i got |
| 07:04.52 | RudyV | i dont have woody |
| 07:04.59 | Azar | damn what a loss |
| 07:05.05 | RudyV | or a cd to put it on |
| 07:05.08 | Wyzard | RudyV: Anyway, did you try pci=nobios? |
| 07:05.12 | RudyV | both |
| 07:05.19 | Azar | Woody is very old but damn, it works wonders with older PCs |
| 07:05.34 | moefoe | What is the model # of this compaq? |
| 07:06.00 | RudyV | presario s4000v-8656 |
| 07:06.15 | moefoe | Sounds familliar ... |
| 07:06.29 | Azar | RudyV: sata HD/ |
| 07:06.30 | Azar | ? |
| 07:06.33 | RudyV | nope |
| 07:06.43 | RudyV | pata |
| 07:07.05 | Azar | I would not be surprised if woody would pick up your NIC |
| 07:07.29 | Azar | then from there go up >sarge> kernel 2.6.8> up > etch |
| 07:07.50 | yang | is there a similar solution to NAS/Openfiler for debian GUI driven? |
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| 07:08.01 | RudyV | i'll try the intel ethernet card |
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| 07:08.24 | RudyV | hm |
| 07:08.32 | RudyV | no eth0 per ifconfig |
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| 07:09.03 | moefoe | mmmm |
| 07:09.03 | RudyV | damn |
| 07:09.16 | moefoe | RudyV, what is the BIOS version? |
| 07:09.20 | RudyV | and I don't have a blank CD for Woody |
| 07:09.24 | RudyV | just a sec rebooting |
| 07:09.31 | darrh00 | how to use icedove to read rss news? |
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| 07:09.47 | RudyV | BIOS Core revision V6.0 |
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| 07:09.59 | RudyV | BIOS Revision 3.11 08/30/2004 |
| 07:10.08 | RudyV | oops |
| 07:10.26 | RudyV | BIOS Core Version 6.0, BIOS Revision 3.11 08/30/2004 |
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| 07:10.35 | RudyV | according to the setup screen |
| 07:10.36 | moefoe | Right. |
| 07:10.45 | RudyV | latest version available. |
| 07:10.55 | moefoe | That there's the latest . |
| 07:11.05 | RudyV | Wish I could fix it |
| 07:11.07 | RudyV | :( |
| 07:11.19 | RudyV | Until then, I'm stuck with Windows. |
| 07:11.39 | Wyzard | I'm somewhat surprised if pci=nobios doesn't work, since that should tell the kernel to ignore however the BIOS configured the PCI devices, and reconfigure them itself |
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| 07:11.50 | moefoe | I came in late, sorry for butting in. The issue is that you can not get it to recognise a network card? |
| 07:11.53 | RudyV | Hm... |
| 07:11.55 | RudyV | Yeah |
| 07:12.10 | RudyV | No netcard works. |
| 07:12.16 | RudyV | wait |
| 07:12.42 | RudyV | I dont think I tried pci=nobios |
| 07:13.17 | xingu | Wyzard: interrupts are so passe, all the cool kids have MSI-X these days :) |
| 07:13.31 | moefoe | lol |
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| 07:13.42 | Wyzard | xingu: I'm looking forward to everything being all-PCIe, partly for that reason |
| 07:14.07 | RudyV | mh |
| 07:14.09 | RudyV | *mh |
| 07:14.12 | RudyV | *hm |
| 07:14.15 | Wyzard | xingu: though I noticed earlier that /proc/interrupts says my PCIe video card is on IRQ 1273 -- I'm curious where it's fabricating that number from |
| 07:14.28 | RudyV | still can't get the darn networking to work |
| 07:14.34 | RudyV | grr |
| 07:14.36 | xingu | Wyzard: 316: 6514 81672 PCI-MSI-edge ahci :) |
| 07:14.49 | xingu | Wyzard: oddly enough, so is my HDA audio |
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| 07:15.12 | Wyzard | xingu: hang on, I completely misread the line... it's my AHCI controller that's on 1273, not my video card :-) |
| 07:15.39 | Wyzard | xingu: My video card doesn't appear in /proc/interrupts at all, as far as I can see, actually, and I don't have any other MSI lines except ahci |
| 07:15.58 | RudyV | :( |
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| 07:16.02 | Wyzard | xingu: (I have my HDA audio disabled because I use an old SB Live! card instead -- hardware mixing ftw) |
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| 07:16.24 | RudyV | I'm out of luck |
| 07:16.34 | xingu | Wyzard: typically the video driver is only going to bind if you've got something waiting on vblanks - or - using the 3d core if it has one. |
| 07:17.36 | Wyzard | xingu: hmm, just noticed, nvidia is on IRQ 16, IO-APIC-fasteoi |
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| 07:17.43 | Wyzard | which is weird, since it's a PCIe card... doesn't PCIe always use MSI? |
| 07:17.51 | aspWork | can anybody recommend a tool to control fanspeeds under debian? |
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| 07:20.01 | xingu | Wyzard: lspci -v, look for it in the capabilities sec'n |
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| 07:20.50 | xingu | Wyzard: is probably a driver issue - msi-x is flushing out all sorts of bridge and peripheral problems atm, not sure windows (even vista) uses it |
| 07:22.21 | Wyzard | xingu: I see it on all the PCIe ports, two of the three SATA controllers, both NICs, and the video card |
| 07:22.36 | Wyzard | xingu: yet the one SATA controller seems to be all that's actually using it |
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| 07:22.53 | Wyzard | xingu: I was under the impression that PCIe doesn't even *have* separate interrupt lines, so it's MSI or nothing |
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| 07:24.11 | Wyzard | On my laptop it looks like nothing at all is using MSI, even though there are only one or two devices in it that *aren't* PCIe |
| 07:25.28 | wols | RudyV: what is "MSI"? |
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| 07:25.49 | xingu | Wyzard: I think, that the wiring is unchanged, but it's how the apic is programmed that matters; the irq line becomes an event transport, rather than just a bell-pull. |
| 07:25.50 | wols | erm, Wyzard: ^^ |
| 07:26.09 | RudyValencia | I don't know what's going on so I went back to Windows. |
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| 07:26.17 | RudyValencia | :( |
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| 07:26.59 | xingu | wols: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1152241,00.asp |
| 07:27.06 | Wyzard | wols: Message-Signaled Interrupts, a different way for peripherals to tell the CPU that they need attention from their drivers |
| 07:27.50 | xingu | Wyzard: from that link - pcie intx is emulated; emulation is probably the post-POST default state |
| 07:28.06 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 07:28.26 | Wyzard | so the card does MSI to the PCI bridge or something, and then the PCI bridge signals a "regular" interrupt to the APIC |
| 07:28.40 | xingu | ja |
| 07:28.49 | Wyzard | makes sense, I guess |
| 07:29.12 | xingu | as opposed to msi, in which case no irq happens, the cpu gets to do some mmio to the bridge instead |
| 07:29.21 | xingu | to post a transaction back to the peripheral or whatever. |
| 07:29.57 | xingu | the fact that msi(-x) is packetised, is a good thing; packets can be switched, and scheduled. :) |
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| 07:31.02 | xingu | http://lwn.net/Articles/44139/ more links |
| 07:31.02 | yang | is there a similar solution to NAS/Openfiler for debian GUI driven? |
| 07:31.11 | Wyzard | Speaking of PCIe, that reminds me... I've read that PCIe signals can be carried over a cable for some reasonable distance, and PCIe 2.0 actually defined such a cable |
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| 07:31.29 | Wyzard | I'm wondering when we'll start seeing external video cards, with their own power supply and cooling |
| 07:31.38 | aspWork | looking in my /proc/acpi/fan i have nothing, is this normal? am i missing a module? |
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| 07:32.26 | xingu | Wyzard: infiniband, or blade farms, anyone? |
| 07:32.50 | sep | Wyzard, video cards with own psu and clooling and a onboard cpu ? ohh i guess that's a games console... |
| 07:32.57 | Wyzard | xingu: I've heard of Infiniband (in menuconfig...) but don't know much about it |
| 07:33.24 | wols | Wyzard: they already exists. for notebooks mainly |
| 07:33.38 | xingu | Wyzard: goal is to offload IP from the host. |
| 07:33.40 | ringo999 | hi. its really strange. sometimes, as soon as i connect to my wifi my screen blanks out. the laptop is still running but i can do noething but reboot to get it working again. Im using debian/etch with the nm-applet. How can I debug this problem, what log should I look at, could it be a BIOS problem? |
| 07:33.43 | wols | connection is not good enough for high powered ones tho |
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| 07:34.10 | Wyzard | sep: I'm thinking of something like a big box with a quad 8800GTX or something, connected to the main computer with a thick 32-lane PCIe cable |
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| 07:35.09 | wols | Wyzard: google XG Station |
| 07:35.10 | xingu | Wyzard: ie, so the host hands off at the session layer to a peripheral. |
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| 07:36.43 | Wyzard | xingu: nifty... since it's ExpressCard, it likely actually is using a PCIe connection (though narrower than the 16X you'd find on a desktop motherboard) |
| 07:36.51 | verix | I need some help with screen. for some reason, on a server I'm ssh'd into, when I execute screen, my backspace key becomes bound to ^[[3~ |
| 07:36.54 | verix | is there any way to fix that? |
| 07:37.22 | verix | it's supposed to be bound to ^? but for some reason in screen it's different. |
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| 07:42.18 | Supaplex | !tazer yesterday |
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| 07:43.17 | dimsuz | so. being in plugdev group, i can mount usb storages, disks, etc. but how do I enable write access? Can't get it :) |
| 07:43.27 | xingu | Wyzard: real physical cabling is going to come complete with a transactional latency problem; you'd need to make sure that your workload lent itself to high bandwidth, relatively high-delay characteristics |
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| 07:44.07 | xingu | Wyzard: not sure that's a good fit for game-scene-rendering or game-physics |
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| 07:45.07 | wols | "living crap" sounds really awful |
| 07:45.41 | Supaplex | it must have worms or something. |
| 07:46.00 | perlnoob | a big fat maggot |
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| 07:48.38 | xingu | wols: the really neat thing about msi(-x) is that the peripheral posts an event/ message directly to the cpu handling its vector; which avoids a substantial part of the irq->poll->bh->send loop; if you consider an IO peripheral, in theory an inbound transaction can have its metadata posted in the event (how many blocks/ packets, what bus addresses they occupy) and this can just be fed to the bottom half handler directly as a structure; the bott |
| 07:48.38 | xingu | om halves can then use memory mapped io to get the actual data, transform it, and push the response |
| 07:48.53 | perlnoob | is there a command line smtp client? |
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| 07:49.01 | SlayerXP | perlnoob: swaks |
| 07:49.56 | xingu | wols: remembering that for msi-x (unsure about msi), there can be multiple events outstanding too; and, the peripheral can post to multiple vectors - so consider an IO controller with multiple channels (say, a vlan-capable NIC, or a multichannel storage controller) - it could conceivably post a given channel to a given cpu. |
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| 07:51.05 | xingu | wols: at the moment, we achieve the same result, by monitoring and twiddling apic routing (irqbalance); but msi makes a host of problems just vanish. |
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| 07:52.14 | reinhardtf | hi |
| 07:52.51 | perlnoob | SlayerXP, but how do i specify smtp to be used in swaks |
| 07:53.05 | perlnoob | i wanna use a remote smtp server instead of the local |
| 07:53.06 | SlayerXP | perlnoob: you type "swaks --help" |
| 07:53.07 | xingu | wols: it's even neater when you consider than for some peripheral types, there are some message types that will turn up, that you can just plain avoid processing; IO that carries a target transport address, that the host is disinterested in handling |
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| 07:55.27 | Coke | In Debian Stable, after configuring exim4: Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting. Does that mean it didn't write the config file properly? |
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| 07:56.54 | Coke | This also happens when I try to reinstall exim4-config. |
| 07:57.17 | Coke | So the installer fails because the file I'm trying to install isn't there. Talk about locking the key in the drawer. |
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| 07:59.13 | SlayerXP | coke: try purging the package (back up your config if you've changed stuff) and reinstall |
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| 08:02.23 | Teln12100 | hi, I have iptables installed on Debian but its not there in /etc/init.d how can I get a startup script installed? |
| 08:02.42 | Coke | SlayerXP: already did. it's severely broken. |
| 08:02.55 | Coke | 2007-02-27 09:00:05 Exim configuration error in line 41 of /etc/exim4/exim4.conf: malformed macro definition |
| 08:03.18 | Coke | Only issue here is that there's NO /etc/exim4/exim4.conf to be found. |
| 08:03.20 | Coke | What gives? |
| 08:04.06 | Coke | I miss the days when stuff worked. |
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| 08:04.19 | SlayerXP | coke: that's a bit odd. purge the package, rm -rf /etc/exim4 and reinstall. |
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| 08:05.48 | Coke | SlayerXP: can't it will remove a lot of packages, including MUA and MUA addons. |
| 08:06.08 | Coke | SlayerXP: the problem is that the file generated is in /var/lib, not /etc/exim4. |
| 08:06.19 | Coke | Someone has made a big poo poo in the default installation. |
| 08:06.56 | ronr | I need to set up a debian server with 2 network cards so that it acts like a gateway in the sense that: all traffic to 10.123.123.0/24 goes to eth0, 10.124.124.0/24 to eth1 and everything else to another gateway located at 10.123.123.253, no firewalling is required (at all), what's the easiest way to do this? |
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| 08:07.58 | fengor | man route? |
| 08:08.29 | ronr | fengor: I can do everything with route? |
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| 08:09.13 | ronr | fengor: it needs to be a gateway, not just able to connect in that way (so it should also forward traffic) |
| 08:09.45 | fengor | i dont see why you shouldnt be able to do it with route |
| 08:10.02 | fengor | after all route is for configuring routing |
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| 08:12.08 | ronr | ok, I always thought route was just for local routing (cause, why would my 10.123.123.1 box accept traffic for 10.124.124.20, so I would expect it never to reach the routing layer) |
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| 08:17.00 | xingu | ronr: your box will accept traffic bound for its datalink addresses; if other hosts have it as their default gateway, they will send it traffic with its datalink address, and the destination's network address. |
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| 08:17.24 | xingu | ronr: if your host is unable to forward it to the destination, it'll say so - icmp destination unreachable. |
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| 08:21.31 | ringo999 | hi. its really strange. sometimes, as soon as i connect to my wifi my screen blanks out. the laptop is still running but i can do noething but reboot to get it working again. Im using debian/etch with the nm-applet. How can I debug this problem, what log should I look at, could it be a BIOS problem? |
| 08:21.49 | ringo999 | this has also happened when i tired to do "ntupdate" |
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| 08:22.12 | tralala | how do I tell grub to rescan/recreate its config? |
| 08:23.08 | ronr | thanks fengor and xingu, got it fixed |
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| 08:23.29 | cydork | tralala: you mean update-grub? |
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| 08:23.51 | tralala | cydork, I guess I do, thanks |
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| 08:26.06 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:27.44 | xingu | ringo999: what video card? |
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| 08:30.30 | amirf | hi im in rescue mode and i need to format my Hard Drive! how can i do it ? format c: lol, Help please |
| 08:31.21 | epsilon | fdisk? |
| 08:32.29 | dimsuz | amirf: mke2fs (or whatever) |
| 08:32.30 | linio | mkfs? dd ? |
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| 08:32.50 | amirf | dimsuz:10x |
| 08:33.19 | dimsuz | amirf: :) |
| 08:33.20 | militant | i upgraded to 2.6.22 to try to get my wifi working... nwo sound broke again (after a difficult struggle in the first place) ... is this common? |
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| 08:35.00 | perlnoob | need help about spamassassin |
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| 08:35.09 | perlnoob | it doesn't create /var/run/spamd.ctl |
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| 08:39.41 | Zagor | I ran dist-upgrade (sid) last night and got a seriously scrambled keymap in X. is this a known issue? |
| 08:40.04 | Zagor | arrow-up is mapped to PrintScrn. PrintScrn is mapped to Delete etc... really wacko. |
| 08:41.23 | epsilon | then fix it |
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| 08:42.45 | dimsuz | being in plugdev group, i can mount usb storages, disks, etc. but how do I enable write access? (sorry for asking 5th time, but i don't loose hope to get a reply :) ) |
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| 08:46.51 | lambda | hi everybody |
| 08:46.57 | SlayerXP | Zagor: you're using sid, you're expected to fix your own problems. |
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| 08:48.20 | Zagor | did I ask for a fix? |
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| 08:50.00 | ringo999 | xingu: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 08:50.19 | ringo999 | xingu: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 08:50.27 | ringo999 | xingu: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 08:50.32 | ringo999 | ups |
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| 08:51.01 | ringo999 | xingu: sorry for that... |
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| 08:51.40 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 08:51.46 | BlackDesire | hello |
| 08:52.25 | moefoe | dimsuz: What is the filesystem? |
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| 08:52.35 | ronr | I'm trying to add a route using route add -net default gateway 10.123.123.253 the box can ping that gateway (using a different gateway) but adding the route fails with SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable, what could be the problem? |
| 08:52.42 | moefoe | dimsuz: It's not NTFS is it? |
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| 08:53.15 | tralala | cydork, update-grub doesn't seem to search the other partitions for other OSes |
| 08:53.19 | dimsuz | moefoe: hmm. should be vfat. but let me check. if it's ntfs that would be really wicked. and what a brilliant idea :) |
| 08:53.19 | |DawnLight| | what does allow-hotplug actually allow? |
| 08:53.59 | |DawnLight| | tralala: it doesn't |
| 08:54.51 | tralala | |DawnLight|, anything that does? allow-hotplug allows an interface to go up automatically when the hardware is plugged |
| 08:55.04 | dimsuz | moefoe: nope. vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev). But it has "root root rwxr-xr-x" permissions after mount. I just don't get it why |
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| 08:55.45 | moefoe | dimsuz, are you root? |
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| 08:56.01 | |DawnLight| | tralala: i don't think there is. you want it for windows? i can show you mine |
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| 08:56.39 | dimsuz | moefoe: no. i just plug this device and want to be able to write it as user. it is mounted by hal and later I can't write to it |
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| 08:57.02 | dimsuz | moefoe: it's lenny here |
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| 08:57.33 | tralala | |DawnLight|, yes please |
| 08:58.12 | cydork | tralala: it wont. you have to edit menu.lst by hand. |
| 08:58.48 | kanaldrache | How would i transfer a tar file from a server? I use ssh root@strato3.simplethings.de tar cvfz - / > strato3.tar.gz and i aborts with an error |
| 08:59.21 | kanaldrache | The exact error is tar: Fehler beim Beenden, verursacht durch vorhergehende Fehler. ... which means something like Error while quitting, caused by a former error |
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| 09:00.13 | verte | if anyone has a wireless card, can you tell me what device it appears as? |
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| 09:00.23 | tralala | kanaldrache, ssh user@host tar -C / -cz > local.tar.gz |
| 09:00.39 | verte | er, actually, I'm really confused. I'll ask a better question. |
| 09:00.49 | moefoe | dimsuz, was hoping it'd be an ntfs related .. I'll pass. Time to take a nap. |
| 09:01.08 | verte | I'm trying to install wireless on my etch laptop. I have wireless-tools. |
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| 09:01.21 | g-lukemob | hey, is command "route" enough to route an internet from one NIC to second one? |
| 09:01.38 | verte | er, never mind. |
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| 09:02.05 | tralala | verte, wireless is tough - you need to figure out what's your chipset, find/compile/load the appropriate driver and then you can set it up |
| 09:02.19 | verte | eee |
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| 09:02.50 | verte | yeah, ok. it looks like I'll need to recompile my kernel with the prism54 drivers. |
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| 09:03.02 | verte | thank you. |
| 09:03.02 | amirf | hi i need to copy a server / to anther server booted in rescue mode im trying to run this command from the rescue server this but im getting errors Please help "ssh 192.168.x.x "tar -clf" | tar -xlf " |
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| 09:03.43 | dimsuz | moefoe: have a good nap :) (although you won't read this, but oh well) :) |
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| 09:04.00 | et | amirf: why can't you just use scp? |
| 09:04.18 | amirf | for a cople root system ? idont think so |
| 09:04.38 | tralala | verte, recompiling a kernel is usually not needed - you just need to compile the driver |
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| 09:05.53 | kanaldrache | tralala: He want to have an archive |
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| 09:06.11 | kanaldrache | cowardly refuse to create an empty archive |
| 09:06.34 | tralala | !m-a linux-wlan-ng |
| 09:07.16 | tralala | kanaldrache, make that tar -C / -cz . |
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| 09:07.40 | g-lukemob | any1 who could help me? :S |
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| 09:07.57 | DawnLight | tralala: my kde crashes |
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| 09:09.46 | tralala | DawnLight, is your windows entry persistent between grub-updates? |
| 09:10.47 | DawnLight | tralala: it is, becuase it is in the custom zone http://rafb.net/p/dgTe0b17.html |
| 09:11.34 | DawnLight | tralala: debian++ |
| 09:11.42 | tralala | is there a way to tell uswsusp _not_ to attemp resume? a boot parameter? |
| 09:12.01 | DawnLight | what is uswsusp? |
| 09:12.21 | tralala | userspace suspend |
| 09:12.56 | tralala | DawnLight, thanks |
| 09:13.16 | DawnLight | windows is shit |
| 09:13.27 | DawnLight | but i like the game |
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| 09:14.00 | DawnLight | tralala: oh and in case you're not sure, the title:toy is for windows |
| 09:14.19 | tralala | yeah, I'll change it to "Don't ask" |
| 09:14.30 | kanaldrache | Where can i set the order in which debian queries kernel modules? |
| 09:14.40 | DawnLight | although debian makes a hell of a better toy. should change it to "shit" |
| 09:14.49 | kanaldrache | I have two sata disks in my machine that change their names |
| 09:15.05 | kanaldrache | One time the first disk is sdb and another time it's sda |
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| 09:17.37 | rgr | using debian lenny I am not seeing any gimp plugins under filters. I cant see what I might be missing. Any suggestions? |
| 09:18.33 | DawnLight | rgr: while i'm not sure what you mean axactly, i did see some gimp plugins as packages in the repos |
| 09:19.01 | DawnLight | rgr: type aptitude and use the interface to look for them |
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| 09:19.58 | rgr | DawnLight: I know how to use synaptic. I cant find the package that might have them. For all I know they are not there for political reasons. |
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| 09:22.23 | kanaldrache | Same error |
| 09:22.31 | amirf | how can i backup a live system using tar ? |
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| 09:23.12 | troubled | amirf: by reading the man page |
| 09:23.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 09:23.21 | tralala | amirf, in the general case you can't |
| 09:23.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | troubled, to the point, as ever. |
| 09:23.34 | troubled | Kamping_Kaiser: always |
| 09:23.35 | amirf | <troubled> : lol |
| 09:24.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | my answer was going to be 'with difficulty' (fyi :P ) |
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| 09:24.51 | troubled | amirf: LVM snapshots are probably a little bit more reliable way of doing it though. and dont forget to skip out /proc/ /tmp and various other /var dir's from your tar. and use star not tar if you need to backup fs ACL's |
| 09:25.19 | tingle | hi when i try to open a high defenition movie file mplayer crashes is there some codec i need to install or something like that? does anyone have a suggestion? |
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| 09:26.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | tingle, try and run it from a terminal to get some debugging output |
| 09:27.31 | tingle | Kamping_Kaiser: ok ill do that just a sec.. |
| 09:27.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | tingle, run 'gmplayer' not 'mplayer' :) |
| 09:28.08 | tingle | what the difference? |
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| 09:29.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | one will launch a gui by default |
| 09:30.09 | DawnLight | if i go buy an ethernet nic in the nearest shop right now, what are the chances of it working out of the box? |
| 09:30.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | 90% |
| 09:30.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless its a broadcom/some other fucked chipset, in which case its about 0% |
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| 09:31.00 | DawnLight | is there a black list? |
| 09:31.23 | DawnLight | should i buy the cheapest? |
| 09:31.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | grub__, a firmwareless broadcom? |
| 09:31.53 | DawnLight | hell i'm out |
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| 09:32.07 | grub__ | Kamping_Kaiser, i have broadcom wireless, used ndiswrapper :/ |
| 09:32.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | grub__, ah right :| not exactly 'out of the box' :) |
| 09:32.54 | grub__ | yes, sucks :( |
| 09:33.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
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| 09:34.10 | tingle | Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/d26545012 |
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| 09:34.54 | tingle | Kamping_Kaiser: the resolution of the video is verry big because its high defenition i think that the problem.. but can i fix it XD |
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| 09:35.20 | jonaskoelker | question: in *.deb/control.tar.gz/control/Installed-Size: ${n}, $n is the number of what? |
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| 09:36.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | jonaskoelker KB i think |
| 09:37.07 | niru | how can I run maya after installing it |
| 09:37.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | tingle, not sure tbh, its nto really enough info. you could try filing a bug, but i'm not sure they would be ablet o help much more |
| 09:37.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | tingle, unless you get the debugging version and run that |
| 09:37.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | niru, what? |
| 09:38.16 | niru | Kamping_Kaiser, how to run maya software ie for multimedia after installing from .bin file |
| 09:38.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | niru, if it didnt add it to the menu, your going to have to go find the binary and run it yourself |
| 09:39.36 | ronr | (/leave |
| 09:39.43 | ronr | sorry... |
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| 09:42.05 | tingle | Kamping_Kaiser: i googled on the output and come to the awnser that my pc cant handle the video there are some work arround because its not that old ;) im going to try them out |
| 09:42.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 09:43.58 | Lukemob | guys, I'd need help with that routing :( |
| 09:45.00 | dupondje | hellow, i got some swapper: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0x20 (full: http://pastebin.com/d55460d36 ) Any id how i could fix this ? isn't it a bug in the forcedeth ? |
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| 09:46.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, ? |
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| 09:47.00 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, u got any knowledges with Linux routers? |
| 09:47.12 | Lukemob | I'd need to build a router from my Debian server |
| 09:47.28 | niru | Kamping_Kaiser, I ran the binary and everytime it is just installaing |
| 09:47.32 | niru | but not running maya |
| 09:47.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, i dont see any question from you in my imediate scrollback - what are you trying to do? and why? |
| 09:48.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | niru, no, you have to find where maya is installed to, then run the program directly |
| 09:48.31 | Lukemob | <g-lukemob> hey, is command "route" enough to route an internet from one NIC to second one? |
| 09:48.33 | cydork | niru: ask the people who gave you that software, it has nothing to do with debian. |
| 09:48.37 | Lukemob | <g-lukemob> any1 who could help me? :S |
| 09:48.47 | niru | it showed that maya is installed to /usr/autodesk/maya8.5/ |
| 09:48.51 | niru | Kamping_Kaiser, |
| 09:49.26 | dupondje | nobody ? ;) |
| 09:50.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | cydork, aye. |
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| 09:50.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, you need to enable IP forwarding in the kernel. goto debian-administration.org and look at articlke 23 |
| 09:50.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 09:50.58 | juanma | hi, does anyone know where to find an etch installer with a newer kernel that the one shipped by default? |
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| 09:51.11 | wsdo_okadr | what does 30 3 * * * mean in crontab ? |
| 09:51.16 | cydork | !tell juanma -about kmuto |
| 09:51.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | wsdo_okadr, 3.30am |
| 09:51.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | every day |
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| 09:52.03 | cydork | wsdo_okadr: man 5 crontab :) |
| 09:52.39 | wsdo_okadr | cydork: jizz off idiot |
| 09:52.42 | wsdo_okadr | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 09:53.24 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, where do I find that article? :D :D |
| 09:53.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | wsdo_okadr, watch yourself |
| 09:53.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | your biting hard on the hand that feeds you |
| 09:54.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, http://www.google.com/search?q=article+23+site%3Adebian-administration.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 09:54.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | 3rd hit :) |
| 09:54.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | that doesnt hurt does it ;) |
| 09:55.13 | ncritu | Hi guys! On a IBM RISC machine (now running AIX 4) do I need the debian-mips CD to install Linux on it? |
| 09:55.45 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, 3rd hit?... Making scripts run at boot time? Or, Setting up a simple Debian gateway??? |
| 09:56.37 | wsdo_okadr | Kamping_Kaiser: listen , I don't need to take bs from cydorks like this idiot over here ok ? It was obvious that I have checked the manual before I came here so he can jizz off. |
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| 09:56.55 | petemc | ncritu: is it a rs machine? they're ppc |
| 09:57.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, my 3rd hit is this: www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 (article 23, on d-a.org :)) |
| 09:57.44 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, okey, then it's my first hit :) |
| 09:57.47 | Lukemob | thx |
| 09:57.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, oh right :) |
| 09:58.09 | ncritu | petemc yes it is, I will try ppc |
| 09:58.28 | ncritu | petemc 10x :-) |
| 09:58.29 | cydork | wsdo_okadr: then learn to read the fucking manual.. |
| 09:58.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | wsdo_okadr, maybe, but that 'cydork' has a point. 'man 5 crontab' gives fairly clear examples |
| 09:58.42 | hark | wsdo_okadr: well, if you'd read it, you wouldn't need to ask |
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| 09:59.52 | thor | Hey is there some screenshot lenny |
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| 10:00.21 | guhhh | hey, my resolv.conf keeps changing to: 'search localdomain' and 'server 192.168.51.2', every minute... and its not being sent by my router... how can i check whats sending this? |
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| 10:01.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | guhhh, sounds worrying |
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| 10:03.57 | guhhh | Kamping_Kaiser: so annoying |
| 10:04.26 | LeVA | anyone can tell why the new hal upgrade pulls in a lot of useless (for me) package in unstable? packages like radeontool, busybox, libsplashy1 and stuff? |
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| 10:04.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | guhhh, sure you only have one dhcp on the subnet? |
| 10:05.07 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, is it enough to use that article 23? |
| 10:05.17 | guhhh | Kamping_Kaiser: yeap... im sure its being sent by some daemon on my debian |
| 10:05.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | guhhh, on localhost? |
| 10:05.41 | wsdo_okadr | Kamping_Kaiser: I strongly disagree.The ones who write man documentation have clearly prooved themselfes to be the worst documentation writers. |
| 10:05.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, should be (more or less) |
| 10:06.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | wsdo_okadr, A. sounds like your trying to get back some respect. B. thats a matter of opinion, and depends on the page in question. |
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| 10:07.16 | DawnLight | ok i'm back from the shop and this nic got a realtek chip |
| 10:07.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, wb should be ok... but its a while since i bought a realtek |
| 10:07.40 | wsdo_okadr | Kamping_Kaiser: A.False B.It is an objective conclusion and I'm reffering exactly to cron documentation. |
| 10:07.47 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, would u recommend me to use ipmasq? |
| 10:08.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, i dont know of it |
| 10:08.25 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, okey |
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| 10:10.03 | wsdo_okadr | Kamping_Kaiser: I've finished my "trolling" for today.Thanks for the answer |
| 10:10.06 | wsdo_okadr | bye |
| 10:10.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 10:10.26 | hark | LeVA: check with aptitude why radeontool, for example |
| 10:10.52 | DawnLight | the manual say "UNIX DriversLinux Kernel 2.2x, Linux Kernel 2.4x, FreeBSD" |
| 10:12.01 | LeVA | hark: can't install aptitude :) "aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 but it is not installable" |
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| 10:12.53 | hark | LeVA: yeah, new apt going in sid |
| 10:13.26 | LeVA | hark: okay, I'll wait then :) |
| 10:14.34 | mmm | How can I install "file" pkg in version 4.17 ? |
| 10:15.16 | bullgard4 | fyrestrtr: What is the English technical term for a memory area that is kept by a process but which cannot be swapped? |
| 10:15.22 | hark | LeVA: but busybox is brought in by the kernel, acpi-support brings in radeontool.. etc |
| 10:15.24 | redduck666 | To select a particular version of the package, append "=<version>" to the package name: for instance, "aptitude install apt=0.3.1". |
| 10:15.34 | redduck666 | mmm: ^^^ from aptitude man page. |
| 10:16.06 | LeVA | hark: so I can't avoid them, can I? |
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| 10:17.54 | hark | LeVA: depends, but you can most of them |
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| 10:20.38 | perlnoob | weird debian system |
| 10:20.41 | perlnoob | weird conf.d |
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| 10:20.52 | unknow990 | Hello canyone help me with this |
| 10:20.53 | unknow990 | debianBeta:/media/Backup# chmod 777 /media/Backup/ |
| 10:20.53 | unknow990 | chmod: changing permissions of `/media/Backup/': Read-only file system |
| 10:20.55 | perlnoob | why debian always try to be unique |
| 10:21.06 | unknow990 | how can I change it to full permision |
| 10:21.10 | perlnoob | being unique doesn't mean its good |
| 10:21.21 | perlnoob | fcking chaos linux |
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| 10:21.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | perlnoob, do you have an actual question, or just trolling? |
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| 10:22.12 | perlnoob | don't have a question for now, so.. |
| 10:22.18 | unknow990 | anyone? |
| 10:22.21 | LeVA | hark: mkay, I see, now I can remove them after the upgrade |
| 10:22.22 | MikeSeth | the trolls of today make my heart bleed |
| 10:22.23 | perlnoob | i guess,.. trolling? |
| 10:22.45 | perlnoob | hehe |
| 10:22.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | unknow990, run `df -h |grep Backup` |
| 10:22.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | whast the output? |
| 10:23.01 | mmm | redduck666: but those versions are not available, it seems. |
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| 10:23.43 | unknow990 | debianBeta:/media/Backup# df -h |grep Backup |
| 10:23.43 | unknow990 | /dev/sdb1 466G 23G 444G 5% /media/Backup |
| 10:24.07 | Lukemob | Kamping_Kaiser, it goes nice with routing, I guess :) :) |
| 10:24.10 | Lukemob | thanks |
| 10:24.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lukemob, :) np. gl |
| 10:24.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | unknow990, whats the filesystem? |
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| 10:24.49 | unknow990 | on my Backup? |
| 10:25.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 10:25.12 | unknow990 | my Backup is USB connected harddrive. NTFS |
| 10:25.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres the problem - ntfs |
| 10:25.59 | unknow990 | okay, is it not possible to use ntfs on my debian ?? |
| 10:26.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | you have to explicitly allow write support |
| 10:26.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ntfs |
| 10:26.28 | dpkg | ntfs is probably Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 10:26.50 | xand | don't do it! |
| 10:27.01 | unknow990 | okay, why? |
| 10:27.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 10:27.23 | SlayerXP | unknow990: do you enjoy data corruption? |
| 10:27.51 | unknow990 | confused :-) |
| 10:28.02 | hark | it's quite safe with ntfs-3g, don;t think it's in etch but |
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| 10:30.07 | hark | it's in backports |
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| 10:32.31 | unknow990 | so I should install ntfs-3g and so it will run with without any problems- |
| 10:33.14 | hark | only if you want write support |
| 10:34.53 | unknow990 | okay, but it is imposisble to use my ntfs with any software? |
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| 10:38.55 | tralala | unknow990, read-only support is fine without any extra software |
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| 10:42.12 | DeFirence | hey tralala |
| 10:42.23 | tralala | hey |
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| 10:42.54 | SteveC | Anyone use debian clamav package? can't freshclam as the servers say I'm too outdated? Do I have to manually install it? |
| 10:43.15 | petemc | use clamav from volatile |
| 10:43.40 | SteveC | ahh, OK.. cheers. |
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| 10:44.01 | unixipher | debhelper, my other ip 196.218.222.11 always blocked, why? |
| 10:44.01 | petemc | hello, tw |
| 10:44.15 | petemc | damn b utton |
| 10:44.33 | SteveC | hi :) amazing where you meet the same people huh? :) |
| 10:44.41 | petemc | isnt it :) |
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| 10:46.10 | SteveC | yey, fixed in 20 seconds - spent the last hour trying to figure that out. |
| 10:46.29 | mosherr2 | is there any way to attach a running process (by at) to a terminal? |
| 10:46.54 | DawnLight | mosherr2: use screen |
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| 10:48.11 | RvGaTe^work | any narrowcasting solutions for debian? |
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| 10:49.55 | mosherr2 | DawnLight: The manpage says 'screen -r pid.tty.host', but ps lists the tty as '?'. Any ideas? |
| 10:51.21 | DawnLight | mosherr2: well, with screen the process has to be a child of screen in the first place. launched from within a screen. then it is not the process that you reattach, it is the screen |
| 10:51.49 | DawnLight | then you will find that it is not the spoon that bends... |
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| 10:52.23 | mosherr2 | ah. gotcha. Well its too late for that. Didn't realize my sysadmin had finally installed screen till now. |
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| 10:53.09 | RvGaTe^work | cant live without screen |
| 10:53.39 | YouBucky | Hey All, how do I clear the ssh banner at logon so the user is presented with a clear screen as oppose to the banner with a prompt below |
| 10:53.40 | DawnLight | i can't liiiiive when livin' is without youuu |
| 10:53.59 | DawnLight | can't live any mooore |
| 10:54.23 | DawnLight | YouBucky: check out man sshd_config |
| 10:54.37 | DawnLight | i thinkj |
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| 10:54.38 | YouBucky | Thanks, checking now |
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| 10:55.28 | redduck666 | YouBucky: ugggh, remove /etc/issue ? |
| 10:55.46 | DawnLight | YouBucky: no, actually i think it is the bash that is printing that |
| 10:56.35 | YouBucky | Thanks, i know you can echo a command syntax which executes a "clear" into /etc/issut but I dont know the command syntax |
| 10:56.42 | harpal | I have all ciphers as modules and now I want to load that ciphers. how to do that? |
| 10:56.43 | tralala | DawnLight, quoting "The Matrix" - always appropriate :) |
| 10:56.54 | YouBucky | It involves carrots and other vegetables |
| 10:57.00 | redduck666 | DawnLight: i doubt. |
| 10:57.20 | mosherr2 | Time to log out. My screen just shifted left. |
| 10:57.31 | DawnLight | it did wha |
| 10:57.36 | redduck666 | YouBucky: why try clearing the screen when you can prevent it from being displayed in the first place? |
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| 10:58.53 | DeFirence | omg DawnLight ur not seriously still awake |
| 10:58.53 | YouBucky | redduck666: The idea is when you type in your username the banner is displayed, once the password is excepted the banner is cleared and you're left with a clean shell |
| 10:58.58 | mosherr2 | my screen (not 'screen') shifted left. All pixels are displayed about 100px left |
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| 10:59.27 | mosherr2 | of course my mouse thinks everything is where it should be for maximum confusion |
| 10:59.32 | redduck666 | YouBucky: i'd use .bash_profile |
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| 11:00.28 | YouBucky | redduck666: Thank you, but the way I'm thinking of is cleanner and applies to all accounts with existing .bash_profile files |
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| 11:00.45 | redduck666 | YouBucky: /etc/profile than |
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| 11:01.38 | YouBucky | redduck666: thats an idea |
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| 11:02.40 | DawnLight | i'm setting up a box for my daddy. he is 63 and never used a computer |
| 11:02.43 | DeFirence | lol |
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| 11:02.53 | DeFirence | rofl!!! |
| 11:02.57 | DawnLight | and his english is poor |
| 11:03.03 | YouBucky | redduck666: Heres what I wanted : http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_Clear_screen_on_logout |
| 11:03.04 | DeFirence | *cough* vista *cough* |
| 11:03.24 | DawnLight | was thinking more openbox style |
| 11:03.32 | DeFirence | yar |
| 11:03.45 | DeFirence | 1000% harder for him to understand let alone use |
| 11:03.47 | DeFirence | :P |
| 11:03.56 | DawnLight | keep it as minimal as can be. controlled environment |
| 11:04.34 | DawnLight | he won't be dealing with files soon. only browsing the 'net for now |
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| 11:05.41 | DeFirence | ahh k |
| 11:05.47 | DeFirence | pr0n |
| 11:05.49 | DeFirence | :P |
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| 11:08.46 | DawnLight | nah he's got a girl firend |
| 11:08.57 | DeFirence | lolol |
| 11:09.02 | DeFirence | Coldplay is now streaming @ http://nix.defirence.za.net:8000 and http://nix.defirence.za.net:8010 (for 56k) |
| 11:09.29 | xand | spammer |
| 11:09.36 | DeFirence | not spam! |
| 11:09.39 | DawnLight | i imagine it takes a lot of acceptance to have sex in that age. and then some pills |
| 11:09.46 | xand | wtf does that have to do with debian? |
| 11:09.58 | DeFirence | that was for DawnLight :P |
| 11:10.05 | DawnLight | yea |
| 11:10.14 | DeFirence | its not like an add for a station |
| 11:10.21 | DawnLight | you serve that? |
| 11:10.28 | DeFirence | theres no listeners, its just my test stream |
| 11:10.31 | DeFirence | ye |
| 11:10.48 | DeFirence | its transcoding to the 56k stream too on the debian box |
| 11:10.51 | DawnLight | i'll be your test client |
| 11:11.00 | DeFirence | :) |
| 11:11.27 | DawnLight | kmplayer buffering |
| 11:11.34 | DawnLight | yay! |
| 11:11.38 | DeFirence | hmm.. |
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| 11:11.51 | DeFirence | ooooh! a listener! |
| 11:12.06 | DawnLight | i'm gonna keep this on |
| 11:12.10 | DeFirence | now i got 2 listerners :P |
| 11:12.15 | DeFirence | but one is fake :( |
| 11:12.16 | DeFirence | haha |
| 11:12.42 | DeFirence | the transoder acts like a lister connected to the main stream |
| 11:13.00 | DawnLight | is this debian? |
| 11:13.27 | DeFirence | is what debian? |
| 11:14.17 | DawnLight | the stream server |
| 11:14.55 | DeFirence | well, its on debian |
| 11:15.06 | DeFirence | its the box u connected to? |
| 11:15.09 | DawnLight | is it from the repos? |
| 11:15.21 | DeFirence | hmm no |
| 11:15.25 | DeFirence | but it mite be |
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| 11:15.31 | DeFirence | let me check |
| 11:15.34 | DawnLight | whats it called |
| 11:15.41 | DeFirence | shoutcast |
| 11:15.53 | DeFirence | but the transcoder is seperate |
| 11:16.05 | DawnLight | not that i want or even can serve anything. i'm through the neighboor's wireless AP |
| 11:16.53 | DeFirence | lol! |
| 11:17.15 | DeFirence | our internet is sa is the most expensive and worst :( |
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| 11:18.08 | flips01 | does debian understand kickstart, or is that just Ubuntu? |
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| 11:18.20 | jonaskoelker | question: is there an easy way to do something like dpkg-query on the package lists that apt has downloaded? |
| 11:18.52 | DeFirence | $75 for 1mb adsl line rental (excluding phone line rental) and then $15 per gb of bandwidth you use |
| 11:19.17 | tralala | jonaskoelker, apt-cache search? |
| 11:19.18 | DawnLight | damn |
| 11:19.28 | DeFirence | yar |
| 11:19.28 | cydork | flips01: kickstart redhat specific. debian has preseed if you are looking something similar. |
| 11:19.49 | jonaskoelker | tralala: how do I do dpkg-query -W -f '${Section}:${Installed-Size}:${Package}\n' on that data? |
| 11:19.53 | flips01 | cydork: I know it's for redhat, but it also works in Ubuntu |
| 11:20.07 | flips01 | preseed is too buggy (especially the partman stuff) |
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| 11:20.35 | flips01 | (we have been fighting with it for a long time now, and it really wastes too much time) |
| 11:20.52 | cydork | flips01: well kickstart is not for debian, when did ubuntu get kickstart anyway? |
| 11:21.05 | DawnLight | DeFirence: thanks for the music, really |
| 11:21.14 | flips01 | ubuntu had kickstart at least from Breezy, maybe before |
| 11:21.17 | DeFirence | lol DawnLight your still listening, i just noticed :P |
| 11:21.36 | DawnLight | i'm gonna keep this on |
| 11:21.46 | DeFirence | whats ur fav type of music? |
| 11:21.58 | tralala | jonaskoelker, for custom display format you'd need aptitude. |
| 11:22.02 | DawnLight | so it'd be nice of you to queue up the good stuff |
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| 11:22.37 | DawnLight | nice atmosphere. not too violent, if its rock |
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| 11:23.11 | DeFirence | :P |
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| 11:24.28 | DawnLight | why thank you |
| 11:24.32 | DeFirence | hehe |
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| 11:29.47 | jonaskoelker | tralala: it crashes :( |
| 11:30.10 | jonaskoelker | (crappy ubuntu package :D) |
| 11:31.44 | DeFirence | quick question... can u access smb shared from console? |
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| 11:32.20 | jonaskoelker | DeFirence: try apt-cache search fuse smb (I think it's fusesmb, smbfs or something like that) |
| 11:32.27 | jonaskoelker | you can mount smb shares :) |
| 11:32.33 | DeFirence | kk, ta |
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| 11:33.43 | DeFirence | its fusesmb :) |
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| 11:34.17 | wubbla | hi! |
| 11:34.32 | tomacco | hello |
| 11:34.51 | DeFirence | bots usually connect and say hi! staight after |
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| 11:36.02 | wubbla | would it be safe to dpkg --purge these packets? --> http://pastebin.com/m75304965 |
| 11:36.32 | jonaskoelker | wubbla: I think so |
| 11:36.33 | DawnLight | wubbla: don't to that. use aptitude |
| 11:36.36 | jonaskoelker | try it and see :) |
| 11:36.41 | DawnLight | !tell wubbla about aptitude |
| 11:37.32 | wubbla | DawnLight: so i should use aptitude to purge them? |
| 11:37.33 | DeFirence | i started using apt-get instead of aptitude the other say simply cause it was less to type :P |
| 11:38.18 | unknow990 | is there any backup programs to debian (full backup) |
| 11:38.32 | unknow990 | can you recommend me one. |
| 11:38.54 | DawnLight | wubbla: type in aptitude and use the interface. it shows you all the dependencies and if you mark a package for deletion while other packages depend on it, it lets you know so you can sort things out. can't live without it |
| 11:39.07 | DawnLight | unknow990: dd :) |
| 11:39.37 | tralala | jonaskoelker, aptitude crashes?! |
| 11:39.55 | DeFirence | ooh, i have a question... is ever 1min the minimum time to run a crontab? |
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| 11:40.05 | unknow990 | :-) ? |
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| 11:41.01 | DeFirence | !fusesmb |
| 11:41.21 | jonaskoelker | aptitude -F '${Section}:${Package}:${Installed-Size}\n' search nexuiz |
| 11:41.21 | DeFirence | i cant work out the usage of fusesmb |
| 11:41.32 | jonaskoelker | Uncaught exception: ../../../src/vscreen/columnify.h:62: column::column(const column_disposition&, int, bool, bool): Assertion "_width>=0" failed |
| 11:41.44 | jonaskoelker | works fine if I remove the \n |
| 11:41.58 | jonaskoelker | (although I need to RTFM: s/${Package}/%p/) |
| 11:43.55 | RvGaTe^work | !narrowcasting |
| 11:43.55 | dpkg | from memory, narrowcasting is the transmission of data to a specific list of recipients. Cable television is an example of narrowcasting since the cable TV signals are sent only to homes that have subscribed to the cable service. In contrast, terrestrial TV uses a broadcast model in which the signals are transmitted everywhere and anyone with an antenna can receive them. |
| 11:44.37 | unknow990 | I want to backup my all my data on my debian. Whic backup system can I use? |
| 11:44.42 | RvGaTe^work | anyone can add some stuf fto that? like.... packages that can do narrowcasting ? |
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| 11:45.44 | tomacco | unknow990: tar and gzip |
| 11:46.17 | guhhh | does anyone ever used bacula? i need help to make it connect to mysql server |
| 11:46.35 | wubbla | how can i display all files of a package that would be purged? |
| 11:47.01 | unknow990 | tomacco, is it gzip and tar. or gzip or tar? |
| 11:47.16 | jonaskoelker | tralala: you know how to make aptitude show me %I in a fixed unit? |
| 11:47.28 | jonaskoelker | tralala: I don't want to fiddle with kb,mb,..., just gimme an int ;) |
| 11:47.30 | tomacco | depends if you wants to compress your tar file or not |
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| 11:47.44 | unknow990 | not its not need to compress. |
| 11:47.54 | unknow990 | so its enouge with tar? |
| 11:48.56 | tralala | jonaskoelker, no sorry |
| 11:49.00 | unknow990 | what about if I need to backup entir partition? |
| 11:49.37 | DeFirence | anyone here configured fusesmb before? |
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| 11:51.20 | jonaskoelker | know how to make aptitude search for all packages? |
| 11:51.29 | DawnLight | wubbla: dpkg -L package i think |
| 11:51.40 | DeFirence | ooooh DawnLight: i just noticed the output level on the stream is kak low |
| 11:51.41 | DawnLight | jonaskoelker: what do you mean? |
| 11:51.49 | jonaskoelker | DawnLight: like apt-cache search '' |
| 11:51.54 | DeFirence | turn down ur vol and ill turn up this side |
| 11:52.01 | DawnLight | i'm not getting audio |
| 11:52.25 | DawnLight | ok |
| 11:52.30 | DeFirence | reconnect |
| 11:52.37 | DawnLight | love queen |
| 11:52.41 | DeFirence | :P |
| 11:52.46 | DeFirence | its remix |
| 11:52.55 | DeFirence | im now playing remixes |
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| 11:53.14 | DeFirence | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 11:53.19 | KI4IKL | is debian really on like a crap like of cd's now? |
| 11:53.43 | jonaskoelker | you need a fuse-enabled kernel |
| 11:53.51 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 11:54.02 | DeFirence | so what? i cant use it then? |
| 11:54.16 | DawnLight | !fuse |
| 11:54.17 | dpkg | it has been said that fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 11:54.22 | jonaskoelker | switch to >= 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 11:54.41 | DeFirence | Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 11:54.53 | DeFirence | i downloaded debian 4 days ago |
| 11:54.56 | DeFirence | when i installed |
| 11:54.58 | DeFirence | ? |
| 11:55.04 | jelly | KI4IKL: the whole archive really takes a lot of images, but you only need one cd if you have an internet connection |
| 11:55.07 | jonaskoelker | fwiw, you can also mount kioslaves (IIRC) |
| 11:55.14 | KI4IKL | kk jelly, thanks |
| 11:55.26 | DawnLight | fuse is included. i used ntfs-3g |
| 11:55.36 | DeFirence | so then wtf |
| 11:55.37 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 11:55.46 | DawnLight | what are we trying to do? |
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| 11:57.18 | DeFirence | trying to mount smb with fusesmb? |
| 11:57.32 | DeFirence | i just wanna be able to access smb from console |
| 11:58.06 | DawnLight | did you ask dpkg? |
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| 11:58.51 | DeFirence | i didnt get an answer |
| 11:58.55 | DeFirence | !fusesmb |
| 11:59.06 | DawnLight | !smb |
| 11:59.07 | dpkg | somebody said smb was Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see CIFS, or Super Mario Brothers |
| 11:59.29 | DawnLight | !samba |
| 11:59.29 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
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| 12:00.59 | DeFirence | i aptitude installed fusesmb |
| 12:01.02 | DawnLight | dpkg: dmb is also ask me about <samba> |
| 12:01.03 | dpkg | okay, DawnLight |
| 12:01.08 | DeFirence | but i dunno how to make it work |
| 12:01.15 | DawnLight | dpkg: smb is also ask me about <samba> |
| 12:01.15 | dpkg | DawnLight: okay |
| 12:01.19 | DawnLight | !dmb |
| 12:01.19 | dpkg | Dransik MessageBoard, or ask me about <samba> |
| 12:01.39 | DawnLight | dpkg: no, dmb is Dransik MessageBoard |
| 12:01.40 | dpkg | DawnLight: okay |
| 12:01.40 | jakub_ | dpkg: hello |
| 12:01.41 | dpkg | niihau, jakub_ |
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| 12:01.50 | DawnLight | !dmb |
| 12:01.50 | dpkg | from memory, dmb is Dransik MessageBoard |
| 12:01.57 | jakub_ | dpkg: you are best package system on the whole world! |
| 12:01.57 | dpkg | jakub_: what are you talking about? |
| 12:01.59 | DawnLight | :/ |
| 12:02.19 | jakub_ | dpkg: about you |
| 12:02.19 | dpkg | [about you] i'm a bot! |
| 12:02.24 | jakub_ | ah |
| 12:02.25 | jakub_ | :) |
| 12:02.31 | Speckal | under Synaptics, what does the category "Installed (local or obsolete)" imply? |
| 12:02.59 | DawnLight | love this king of my castle thing |
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| 12:03.20 | DawnLight | Speckal: don't use that. use aptitude |
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| 12:03.30 | jakub_ | microsoft windows vista |
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| 12:03.51 | DeFirence | ohh DawnLight: why u streaming on the 56k stream?!?!? |
| 12:04.11 | DawnLight | didn't try the regular |
| 12:04.19 | DeFirence | omg |
| 12:04.27 | DawnLight | after this one |
| 12:04.31 | DeFirence | the 56k stream is kaaaaak quality |
| 12:04.38 | DeFirence | pls use the other :) |
| 12:04.47 | DeFirence | its near fm quality |
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| 12:06.25 | DawnLight | am i on the regular now? |
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| 12:07.11 | DeFirence | no, you will hear when your on the good one |
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| 12:07.19 | DeFirence | it sounds like radio |
| 12:07.32 | DeFirence | http://nix.defirence.za.net:8000 |
| 12:07.40 | DeFirence | thats the good quality stream |
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| 12:08.21 | DawnLight | oh right |
| 12:08.33 | DeFirence | ahh |
| 12:08.35 | DeFirence | thats better |
| 12:08.50 | DeFirence | cant believe u were listening to 56k stream :/ |
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| 12:09.02 | DawnLight | i'm used to radio |
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| 12:09.18 | DeFirence | the 8000 stream is radio |
| 12:09.23 | DeFirence | nice sounding radio |
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| 12:12.51 | Speckal | if I want the java plugin for mozilla, do I need the package 'java-common' ? |
| 12:13.02 | Speckal | (I don't see a 'jre' package) |
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| 12:14.01 | DawnLight | !java |
| 12:14.01 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 12:14.27 | DeFirence | !dpkg |
| 12:14.27 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 12:17.43 | DeFirence | DawnLight: stream is going down for a few mins, need to restart the debian box |
| 12:17.56 | DawnLight | !restart |
| 12:17.56 | dpkg | this aint no stinkin' winblows, or "Microsoft Windows: Your mouse has moved; please restart for changes to take effect" |
| 12:18.08 | Ronin | heh i like that |
| 12:18.09 | Ronin | one |
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| 12:18.25 | DawnLight | !reboot |
| 12:18.25 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 12:18.48 | DeFirence | rofl |
| 12:18.57 | DeFirence | the howto i read said reboot |
| 12:19.08 | DeFirence | and its the only this i havnt tried |
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| 12:19.16 | DawnLight | what service needs restarting? |
| 12:19.24 | DeFirence | "After that, reboot and load the fuse module." |
| 12:19.46 | DawnLight | what is the reason for a reboot? |
| 12:19.54 | DeFirence | i have no idea |
| 12:20.02 | DeFirence | i didnt wanna reboot |
| 12:20.12 | DeFirence | but i tried everything else |
| 12:20.13 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 12:20.34 | wubbla | wow |
| 12:20.37 | DawnLight | modprobe fuse loads modules and /etc/init.d/service_name restart restarts services |
| 12:20.40 | wubbla | aptitude is really kewl!! |
| 12:20.40 | DeFirence | http://menzonius.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/howto-using-fusesmb-in-opensuse-102-to-access-windows-shares/ |
| 12:20.55 | DawnLight | wubbla: YES! we've got a winner! |
| 12:21.46 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i hope you won't glitch up debian with that suse stuff |
| 12:21.53 | DeFirence | lolol |
| 12:22.09 | DeFirence | im just following the basics of how to install fusesmb |
| 12:22.50 | DeFirence | how would i "load the fuse module"? |
| 12:23.23 | DeFirence | (stream is back up btw) |
| 12:23.31 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i don't know but this sure ain't the debian way |
| 12:23.45 | DeFirence | :-( |
| 12:23.51 | DeFirence | )-: |
| 12:23.53 | DawnLight | !samba |
| 12:23.53 | dpkg | it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
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| 12:24.18 | aspWork | can anybody point me to a tool to control the fans in my debian box, preferably something that can work together with some sensors to control the fans based on the detected heat?! |
| 12:24.22 | DeFirence | i installed fusesmb though? |
| 12:24.47 | DawnLight | hmmm... perhaps install samba with aptitude and then read /usr/share/doc/samba/README.Debian |
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| 12:25.26 | DawnLight | read the details on the samba package |
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| 12:25.37 | DeFirence | kk |
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| 12:26.43 | pumpkin0 | [etch, non-x86 platform] is it possible to do md-RAID (Linear) with files instead of block devices ? |
| 12:27.01 | DawnLight | you need smbclient. now, i don't know where fuse steps in or if it does at all, but i'd imagine you want to end up with an /etc/fstab entry for the smb share |
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| 12:27.16 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 12:27.17 | \amethyst | DawnLight: what's wrong with fusesmb exactly? |
| 12:27.32 | DeFirence | well im atitude installing samba atm |
| 12:27.46 | DeFirence | \amethyst: i cant get it to work? |
| 12:27.47 | DawnLight | i didn't say anything against it |
| 12:27.48 | michela | is it possible to mount an HFS+ volume on etch (e.g. Mac OS X Tiger formatted external drive)? The hfsplus package hasn't been updated this year |
| 12:28.07 | DawnLight | !hfs |
| 12:28.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, hfs is the Apple Hierarchial File System, the default filesystem on the Mac OS. HFS+, which appeared in MacOS 8.1 and later, supports smaller block sizes, and UNIX-like features such as symlinks and device stubs. Tools for dealing with either filesystem are in the "hfsutils" and "hfsplus" Debian packages. It's also said to be the Horrible File System, or HOLY FUCKEN SHIT, or see hfsplus |
| 12:28.39 | michela | thanks DawnLight |
| 12:28.57 | tralala | my etch system stopped booting and I'm getting out-of-memory kernel messages. Is there a way to identify which step of the booting process is doing this? |
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| 12:30.19 | stew | tralala: did you recently change kernels? |
| 12:30.30 | waltz | hi |
| 12:30.44 | stew | tralala: maybe "/msg dpkg bootlog" to enable bootlogging then boot once, then boot a live cd or something to read the boot log? |
| 12:30.51 | waltz | um, where are good starting places for setting up bind/named on debian? |
| 12:31.08 | stew | waltz: the dns howto |
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| 12:31.28 | tralala | stew, I tried 2.6.22 from backports but even 2.6.18 isn't booting anymore |
| 12:31.29 | waltz | stew: is it on debian.org? |
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| 12:31.52 | genesis | waltz: a good place to start is by throwing bind out the window and using something else :) |
| 12:31.59 | waltz | nowai~ :( |
| 12:32.03 | stew | waltz: no, on tldp, google will find it, "you are feeling lucky" |
| 12:32.06 | tralala | let me try the bootlog |
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| 12:32.12 | waltz | stew: thanks |
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| 12:40.30 | tralala | stew, the bootlog couldn't be written |
| 12:40.42 | stew | couldn't? why not? |
| 12:40.56 | tralala | I guess the system hangs before that |
| 12:41.18 | stew | tralala: try rebuilding your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" |
| 12:41.21 | tralala | it actually does right after the pcmcia detection |
| 12:41.35 | tralala | stew, I did a few times |
| 12:41.42 | niru | I have an old version of kernel |
| 12:41.56 | niru | To get support of RTL-8169SC what I need to do |
| 12:42.03 | niru | except installing the latest kernel |
| 12:42.17 | niru | because I find 2.6.21 has the support but I use 2.6.17 |
| 12:42.32 | stew | niru: what version of debian are you running? |
| 12:42.56 | niru | stew, I have a customized version |
| 12:43.04 | niru | I have added kernel 2.6.17 |
| 12:43.12 | niru | stew, r u the lsb person |
| 12:43.20 | stew | no |
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| 12:43.25 | niru | stew, oh ok |
| 12:43.50 | stew | niru: what do you mean by "customized version"? |
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| 12:44.58 | niru | stew, I installed etch |
| 12:45.06 | niru | and then have 2.6.17 kernel installed |
| 12:45.31 | niru | stew, just I need help in how to add the unsupported driver support |
| 12:45.36 | niru | for any kernel |
| 12:45.39 | stew | niru: why did you downgrade from 2.6.18 to 2.6.17? |
| 12:45.47 | niru | I need especially for RTL-8169SC |
| 12:46.01 | niru | stew, it was done bymistakenly |
| 12:46.13 | stew | niru: backports.org has 2.6.22 for etch: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 12:46.29 | niru | stew, here my issue is not of downgrading but I want to know the process of adding a driver |
| 12:46.39 | niru | stew, Is it this way |
| 12:46.45 | S4nD3r | Hi there. |
| 12:46.52 | niru | stew, I have to download the source for RTL-8169 first |
| 12:46.55 | stew | niru: do you have a source package for the driver? |
| 12:46.57 | DawnLight | what package do i need for iceweasel to see the lan shared cups printers? |
| 12:46.59 | S4nD3r | Im using etch, Id like to see new softwares of new debian, |
| 12:47.01 | tralala | stew, btw my swap partition changed and I have a strong suspition that it could be the root of the problem |
| 12:47.05 | niru | then compile and and it gets added to /lib/modules |
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| 12:47.16 | tralala | I've changed my fstab, perhaps there's something else to change? |
| 12:47.19 | stew | tralala: how much physical ram do you have? |
| 12:47.21 | S4nD3r | May I add in sourcelist ubuntu mirrors? |
| 12:47.22 | niru | stew, from where can i get the source of this network card |
| 12:47.25 | stew | tralala: there shouldn't be anything else |
| 12:47.29 | niru | stew, I searched but could not find |
| 12:47.42 | stew | niru: i don't know |
| 12:47.52 | S4nD3r | dpkg etch->lenny |
| 12:47.53 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 12:48.05 | tralala | stew, 256. Etch installed and ran just fine. I'm not quite sure what exactly broke it |
| 12:48.07 | stew | S4nD3r: don't mix ubuntu packages into a debian install |
| 12:48.58 | tralala | it seems that the boot process fails right after the kernel boot, i.e. init does something wrong |
| 12:48.59 | S4nD3r | I will do upgrade to lenny |
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| 12:49.22 | stew | tralala: which initrd creator was used to create your initrd? |
| 12:49.33 | stew | tralala: initramfs? yaird? mkintrd? |
| 12:49.41 | tralala | mkinitrd |
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| 12:49.46 | stew | tralala: what kenrel version? |
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| 12:50.12 | stew | oh you said 2.6.18 |
| 12:50.13 | tralala | I have two .22 and .18 - both of them behave the same |
| 12:50.14 | stew | tralala: mkinitrd shouldn't be used for kernels >= 2.6.13 since it depends on devfs |
| 12:50.28 | tralala | stew, that's what etch did |
| 12:50.34 | stew | tralala: etch wouldn't |
| 12:50.46 | tralala | oh, maybe I'm mistaken then. Let me check again |
| 12:50.52 | S4nD3r | Im 2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 12:51.07 | stew | tralala: which of {initrd-tools, initramfs-tools, yaird} are installed? |
| 12:51.16 | S4nD3r | do you recommend install lenny? |
| 12:51.40 | stew | S4nD3r: what is wrong with etch? |
| 12:52.03 | S4nD3r | nothing. |
| 12:52.09 | stew | S4nD3r: then i don't recommend lenny |
| 12:52.15 | S4nD3r | Im crazy to see new interface |
| 12:52.30 | S4nD3r | Id like to see new gnome |
| 12:52.33 | tralala | stew, initramfs |
| 12:53.00 | stew | tralala: well that's certainly the recommended one. you could try yaird, but that one isn't nearly as well supported |
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| 12:53.24 | DeFirence | ok quick question |
| 12:53.42 | DeFirence | i seem to have mounted fusesmb /.smb/share |
| 12:53.56 | DeFirence | but if i dir that dir its empty |
| 12:53.58 | DeFirence | ? |
| 12:54.11 | tralala | stew, any boot parameters for diagnostics? |
| 12:54.25 | DeFirence | nvm |
| 12:54.25 | stew | tralala: dunno |
| 12:54.29 | DeFirence | got it working !!! |
| 12:54.46 | Chakal | hello |
| 12:54.52 | DeFirence | lol DawnLight, ur still listening to my stream :P |
| 12:54.57 | Chakal | i am brasileiro |
| 12:55.16 | DawnLight | eye of the tiger |
| 12:55.59 | eix | my networkmanager applet says that the network is disconnected, but why? |
| 12:56.00 | DeFirence | haha ya |
| 12:56.09 | DeFirence | catchy tune :P |
| 12:56.15 | eix | i can connect to internet btw |
| 12:56.17 | Chakal | |
| 12:56.17 | Chakal | From where you are |
| 12:56.32 | DawnLight | played it on drums |
| 12:56.48 | DawnLight | israel, Chakal |
| 12:57.11 | Chakal | I am brazil :D |
| 12:57.39 | eix | I cannot see anything in the network:// and in smb:// can somebody please help? :( |
| 12:57.50 | DeFirence | anyone know how you refresh smb mounted shares? |
| 12:58.05 | DawnLight | eix: first relax |
| 12:58.15 | eix | DeFirence: did you try -o remount ? |
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| 12:58.21 | DeFirence | ye |
| 12:58.21 | Chakal | DawnLight speak português? |
| 12:58.25 | Ronin | !br |
| 12:58.26 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:58.28 | eix | DawnLight: mmh..ok. done |
| 12:58.46 | DeFirence | debian:/.smb# fusermount -u shares |
| 12:58.46 | DeFirence | debian:/.smb# fusesmb shares |
| 12:58.47 | stew | DeFirence: were you already in that directory before you mounted it? |
| 12:58.57 | DeFirence | i didnt remout sorry |
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| 12:59.05 | DeFirence | i unmounted and mounted again |
| 12:59.14 | DeFirence | no |
| 12:59.19 | DeFirence | i went back to root |
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| 12:59.26 | DeFirence | and then unmounted and mounted again |
| 12:59.31 | S4nD3r | why is so difficult to upgrade gnome? |
| 12:59.34 | DeFirence | then i went to the path again |
| 12:59.53 | eix | DawnLight: relaxing myself does not seem to affect the problem resolution. Maybe I should reboot? |
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| 13:00.03 | DawnLight | !reboot |
| 13:00.03 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
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| 13:00.25 | DeFirence | !tell eix about restart |
| 13:00.25 | DawnLight | eix: i don't know samba |
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| 13:00.38 | Chakal | ? |
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| 13:00.44 | eix | !tell dpkg and DeFirence about jokes |
| 13:00.57 | stew | eix: is samba-common installed? |
| 13:00.58 | DeFirence | lol? |
| 13:01.06 | Ronin | !lol |
| 13:01.06 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 13:01.11 | eix | stew: let me check |
| 13:01.53 | eix | stew: it's installed and updated |
| 13:02.04 | eix | DawnLight: ok, np - thanks the same |
| 13:02.10 | stew | eix: where are putting "smb://"? |
| 13:02.26 | DawnLight | i guess he means konqueror |
| 13:02.37 | eix | nautilus |
| 13:02.55 | eix | smbtree reports nothing, too |
| 13:03.13 | DeFirence | ahh k, after unmounting and remounting again it refreshed |
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| 13:03.21 | stew | eix: are you typing "smb://" or "smb://servername" ? |
| 13:03.21 | Chakal_vrs | tes |
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| 13:03.46 | eix | stew: just clicking the network and windoz network icons |
| 13:03.51 | eix | it's smb:// |
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| 13:04.10 | stew | eix: does "smb://servername" or "smb://serverip" work? |
| 13:04.13 | eix | smb:/// |
| 13:04.25 | eix | stew: let me get the server's IP |
| 13:04.31 | S4nD3r | Ubuntu has gnome 2.20 |
| 13:04.31 | S4nD3r | iupiiiiiiii |
| 13:04.44 | xand | pardon? |
| 13:04.54 | maxamillion | S4nD3r: uhmmm... you in the wrong channel? |
| 13:05.31 | S4nD3r | bye etch... |
| 13:05.53 | S4nD3r | hellow ubuntu. |
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| 13:07.03 | maxamillion | heh, he'll be back in a week when he gets tired of things crashing and updates rendering his machine unbootable |
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| 13:07.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt testing have 2.20? |
| 13:07.36 | tralala | stew, S03udevd is where it dies |
| 13:07.39 | rmaj | maxamillion: I seeen such problems on stable debian |
| 13:07.54 | maxamillion | rmaj: i haven't ever once in 8 years of use |
| 13:08.01 | maxamillion | Kamping_Kaiser: it might |
| 13:08.03 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
| 13:08.10 | maxamillion | meh, guess not |
| 13:08.10 | stew | tralala: what version of udev is installed? |
| 13:08.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew, oh ok.' |
| 13:08.56 | rmaj | maxamillion: there are upstream bugs causing apps to crash. when I ask upstgream they lol at me for using year old software |
| 13:08.57 | DeFirence | DawnLight: the streams gonna be changing alot now cause im testing stuff |
| 13:09.15 | DawnLight | k |
| 13:09.28 | stew | rmaj: what is an example of such a bug? |
| 13:09.45 | maxamillion | rmaj: can't say i have ever had a program crash in debian stable ... in testing, rarely and with sid ... well its just kinda hit or miss |
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| 13:09.55 | eix | stew: I want to enter the smb network, cant I just use the IP of an already connected PC? |
| 13:10.02 | maxamillion | S4nD3r: back so soon? |
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| 13:10.11 | stew | eix: enter the ip of a machine that is sharing something |
| 13:10.22 | rmaj | maxamillion: overall I see programs crashing more often in debians (or generally linuxes) then in even win (afair) |
| 13:10.24 | eix | stew: perfect |
| 13:10.35 | stew | rmaj: what is an example of such a bug? |
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| 13:10.57 | eix | stew: nautilus does not accept the IP |
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| 13:11.03 | eix | stew: i will try smbclient |
| 13:11.11 | stew | eix: does nautilus give you an error message? |
| 13:11.24 | rmaj | stew: fire up krusader file browser, connect to remote ftp site, press and hold ctrl-R and wait for crash - its the fameous bug |
| 13:11.28 | eix | yes |
| 13:11.32 | S4nD3r | yes |
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| 13:11.33 | tralala | stew, 0.105-4 |
| 13:11.36 | stew | rmaj: have you checked debian's bts? |
| 13:11.36 | DeFirence | does debian have a: $unix_socket = '/tmp/streamcast.sock'; |
| 13:11.42 | eix | stew: specified position is not a directory |
| 13:11.45 | S4nD3r | Id like to know about projects of debian |
| 13:11.49 | maxamillion | rmaj: uhmmm.... ok |
| 13:11.53 | S4nD3r | the team of developers |
| 13:11.57 | maxamillion | guess everyone is entitled to an opinion |
| 13:12.18 | eix | stew: I successfully connected through smbclient |
| 13:12.21 | S4nD3r | intend to create a way to upgrade interfaces easeier? |
| 13:12.23 | rmaj | stew: I think it is there |
| 13:12.28 | stew | rmaj: what is the bug#? |
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| 13:13.00 | S4nD3r | kde, gnome that are defaults |
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| 13:13.10 | S4nD3r | because I was wondering about |
| 13:13.22 | eix | stew: I specified smb://ipaddress and it worked |
| 13:13.27 | eix | (only 2 // ) |
| 13:13.46 | S4nD3r | who uses etch/sid keeps with stable window manager 1 year |
| 13:14.03 | abrotman | S4nD3r: there is no "default" |
| 13:14.06 | S4nD3r | somes comes with new interface as soon as new interface manager is availlable |
| 13:14.06 | rmaj | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=358606 |
| 13:14.54 | rmaj | stew: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:18:02 UTC. and not fixed today... |
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| 13:14.56 | S4nD3r | its common |
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| 13:15.48 | DeFirence | great.. google only has 1 result for "streamcast.sock" and its useless |
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| 13:16.03 | stew | oh, i just realized why rmaj had been reminding me of raf256 so much |
| 13:16.10 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:16.23 | Clinton__ | What is the proper way to register an /etc/init.d/ script so that is is dependent on /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 13:16.30 | eix | any idea why the networkmanager applet says that there is no network? |
| 13:16.36 | stew | rmaj: are you actually looking for help? or are you just here to complain? |
| 13:16.43 | abrotman | Clinton__: you start your script with a higher number than the networking script |
| 13:17.07 | rmaj | stew: I actually wonder how to use gui file manger with ftp |
| 13:17.10 | \amethyst | rmaj: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403130 |
| 13:17.14 | stew | rmaj: which? |
| 13:17.14 | Clinton__ | abrotman: so update-rc.d script defaults would not work? |
| 13:17.22 | rmaj | stew: well any... krusader was the best |
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| 13:17.38 | abrotman | Clinton__: AFAIK .. the "defaults" sets it to run in the default run levels .. |
| 13:17.39 | stew | rmaj: i don't recommend krusader. its not the best, its buggy |
| 13:18.09 | Clinton__ | abrotman: right, and there are defined script dependencies in these init.d scripts, I'm looking to ensure my script is ran after networking start and before networking stop |
| 13:18.11 | rmaj | so which file manager then? with nice GUI, integration with kde / kioslaves and many functions (not plain one) |
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| 13:18.53 | abrotman | Clinton__: networking starts S40 in rcS.d .. pretty much anything you stick in rc2.d (the debian default run level) should start after netowrking |
| 13:19.16 | DawnLight | rmaj: what is konqueror lacking? |
| 13:19.18 | Clinton__ | abrotman: that isn't true dependency |
| 13:19.35 | abrotman | Clinton__: no it's not .. upstart does provide that IIRC |
| 13:19.41 | abrotman | !info upstart sid |
| 13:19.47 | rmaj | DawnLight: twin panel view with detailed icon list? |
| 13:19.56 | abrotman | eh .. maybe it's just in experimental |
| 13:20.05 | Clinton__ | hrm... |
| 13:20.13 | stew | rmaj: try gentoo |
| 13:20.14 | abrotman | !info upstart experimental |
| 13:20.16 | dpkg | upstart: (event-based init daemon), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.3.9-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 166 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 13:20.25 | stew | rmaj: its gtk but i don't know why that would matter |
| 13:20.33 | Clinton__ | argh.. still experimental |
| 13:20.39 | abrotman | Clinton__: there was another called init-ng or something .. but i think that's dead upstream |
| 13:20.44 | rmaj | stew: afair it was too plain and Im not shure about possibility to go into zip:// or sftp |
| 13:20.48 | rmaj | sure |
| 13:20.51 | Clinton__ | abrotman: alright, well it's a start |
| 13:20.57 | abrotman | rmaj: or xfe maybe |
| 13:21.26 | abrotman | Clinton__: realistically ... the numbers should work .. but you're right if S40networking fails, your script might still run |
| 13:21.47 | Clinton__ | abrotman: exactly, and if networking were to be stopped, this script needs to run before that |
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| 13:22.20 | abrotman | Clinton__: you can use the pre-up/post-up/post-down/pre-down in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:22.58 | Clinton__ | abrotman: hrm.... |
| 13:22.58 | rmaj | stew: so was I incorrect about that very old bug.. still not fixed etc? or.. can we change it |
| 13:23.26 | stew | rmaj: no, there is nothing that can be done for etch |
| 13:23.30 | stew | rmaj: is this bug filed upstream? |
| 13:23.46 | stew | rmaj: what about kftpgrabber? |
| 13:24.05 | rmaj | stew: it seems that raf256 guy send it to upstream |
| 13:24.17 | stew | rmaj: was it fixed upstream? |
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| 13:24.25 | rmaj | ftpgrabber next, Im tryuing xfe |
| 13:24.43 | rmaj | stew: afair upstream failed to fix it fully |
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| 13:24.58 | stew | rmaj: then it won't be fixed in debian unless someone sends a patch to the bts |
| 13:25.33 | null22 | hi, can someone suggest me a good keyboard only x11 window manager? |
| 13:26.08 | rmaj | abrotman: xfe looks quite ok, but I was looking for advanced (rich in feautures) and most important - with sftp support |
| 13:26.19 | DeFirence | when u use cp it doesnt show percentage or anything :( |
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| 13:26.34 | stew | null22: ratpoison, wmii-3, dwm |
| 13:26.42 | null22 | stew: thanks |
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| 13:27.13 | abrotman | rmaj: filezilla? |
| 13:27.37 | abrotman | dunno if filezilla in linux has sftp or not |
| 13:27.45 | tralala | stew, I found it - an endless modprobe loop due to modprobe.d misconfig. Doh! |
| 13:28.00 | stew | interesting |
| 13:28.14 | tralala | I did that - not debian |
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| 13:32.14 | null22 | stew: is there a meta package to install all basic x11 stuff like xserver-xorg, the common xfonts* and so on? |
| 13:32.22 | stew | null22: xorg |
| 13:32.34 | null22 | (-: |
| 13:33.09 | Supaplex | d-= |
| 13:33.20 | stew | if I ever get a less busy weekend I'd be putting out a version of my window manager i'd be willing to recommend |
| 13:33.34 | stew | i think i'm going to put the next version into experimental |
| 13:34.48 | lbt | How do I see my iptables connection state table ? |
| 13:34.50 | abrotman | stew: stop planning parties! |
| 13:34.51 | rmaj | hmm gentoo is interesting |
| 13:35.10 | stew | lbt: ask #iptables |
| 13:35.13 | rmaj | but again, I need rich/big/bloated twinanel file manager, not lightweight one |
| 13:35.36 | lbt | stew: Ta :) |
| 13:36.05 | rmaj | krusader seems to be the most advanced twinpanel ever |
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| 13:36.13 | abrotman | ever? |
| 13:36.25 | rmaj | ever on linux... are there any with even more feautures |
| 13:36.50 | rmaj | its even better then win32 totall-commander (most popular manager on win) |
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| 13:37.51 | abrotman | rmaj: oh well .. tough shit .. it's still broken :) |
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| 13:39.53 | rmaj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers well one of best ever |
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| 13:40.04 | rmaj | some data there seems a bit outdated |
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| 13:40.17 | DeFirence | um |
| 13:40.33 | DeFirence | does debian have a socket file, like something .sock?? |
| 13:40.33 | Supaplex | rmaj: like the parts you didn't update yet huh? :) |
| 13:40.41 | rmaj | heh |
| 13:40.43 | wam | Hi, I need a tool which calls some program regularily (or via cron) and compares the output between the calls and mails me, if something changed. Anyone? |
| 13:40.46 | DeFirence | cause if it doesnt im gonna /wrists |
| 13:41.06 | stew | DeFirence: debian has lots of socket files |
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| 13:41.18 | stew | DeFirence: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:41.20 | waltz | how do I fetch the default inetd.conf from a debian mirror? |
| 13:41.22 | Supaplex | DeFirence: lots of them hide in /var/run/ |
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| 13:41.35 | Supaplex | !tell waltz -about confmiss |
| 13:41.36 | DeFirence | unix_socket = '/tmp/streamcast.sock'; |
| 13:41.43 | DeFirence | i need a real file in that value |
| 13:41.53 | ganesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.54 | DeFirence | cause /tmp/streamcast.sock doesnt exist |
| 13:42.13 | stew | ganesh: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 13:43.27 | kitty_ | i know this might be the wrong place , but does anyone know if i can install debian packages on helix? |
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| 13:43.41 | abrotman | no .. we don't |
| 13:43.46 | stew | DeFirence: what is streamcast.sock supposed to be a connection to? |
| 13:43.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | kitty_, wrong place :) |
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| 13:44.06 | waltz | Supaplex: "E: Couldn't find package inetd" |
| 13:44.13 | abrotman | kitty_: helix isn't even directly based on debian .. it's based on knoppix i think which is in turn based on debian |
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| 13:44.19 | abrotman | waltz: openbsd-inetd |
| 13:44.28 | waltz | o ok |
| 13:44.33 | kitty_ | Kamping_Kaiser, I thought so...it's just that the Helix channel is deserted... |
| 13:44.42 | DeFirence | the socket file for a program called streamcast but it doesnt come with a socket file and if u search google for streamcast.sock you get one useless result |
| 13:44.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell kitty_ about knoppix |
| 13:44.49 | Supaplex | kitty_: try debian live |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | !helixlinux |
| 13:44.51 | dpkg | hmm... helixlinux is http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 13:44.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | hey, bug them instead ;) |
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| 13:44.58 | stew | DeFirence: then you have to configure streamcast to create one when it starts |
| 13:45.07 | DeFirence | how? |
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| 13:45.33 | DeFirence | cause unix_socket = '/tmp/streamcast.sock'; is a line in streamcast.conf |
| 13:45.34 | kitty_ | Kamping_Kaiser, I will try the knoppix channel...thanks.. |
| 13:45.37 | abrotman | kitty_: hte helix channel here has a topic that directs you to another server |
| 13:45.37 | solar345 | hi all where do I put site wide emacs libraries |
| 13:45.47 | DeFirence | and the program is in perl |
| 13:45.53 | kitty_ | abrotman, it does? |
| 13:45.59 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | kitty_, what channel did you try? |
| 13:46.05 | abrotman | unless that's the wrong channel |
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| 13:46.09 | abrotman | oh .. it is .. ignore me |
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| 13:46.24 | kitty_ | helix@freenode.. |
| 13:46.27 | ganesh | stew:ro,user,auto,gid,uid,fmask,dmask,......what r the values to be given for these? |
| 13:46.37 | waltz | abrotman: it didn't get the default inetd.conf, also, how do I start telnet? |
| 13:46.59 | abrotman | waltz: what doy ou want telnet for? |
| 13:47.02 | waltz | that is, open a listening connection |
| 13:47.05 | waltz | I just do |
| 13:47.21 | abrotman | you need a telnet daemon installed first .. which debian doesn't include by default |
| 13:47.27 | stew | ganesh: gid is the gid of the gropu you want to appear to own the files. uid is the uid of the user you want to appear to own the files, skip fmask and dmask and use umask=222 which will say that all files are readonly for everybody |
| 13:47.48 | waltz | abrotman: well, first and foremost my inetd.conf was deleted and I can't get it back |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | waltz: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 13:48.12 | stew | ganesh: ro means readonly, you wnat that, user means any user can mount it themselves, auto would mean it would be automatically mounted upon boot |
| 13:48.18 | stew | waltz: touch /etc/inetd.conf |
| 13:48.25 | stew | waltz: that will create an empty file |
| 13:48.36 | waltz | right |
| 13:48.42 | waltz | but not with the default config |
| 13:48.46 | waltz | confmiss didn't work |
| 13:48.52 | abrotman | the default config has everything commented out anyways |
| 13:48.59 | abrotman | !find etc/inetd.conf etch |
| 13:49.08 | dpkg | libconfig-inetd-perl: (Interface to modify /etc/inetd.conf), section perl, is optional. Version: 0.25-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 13:49.13 | stew | waltz: it would be functionally equivalant to the default |
| 13:49.21 | stew | waltz: if you want to expose services, use update-inetd |
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| 13:49.25 | abrotman | that's nog ood :) |
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| 13:49.47 | ganesh | stew:it shold not be write protected and should be autodetected |
| 13:49.59 | stew | ganesh: what version of debian are you using? |
| 13:50.11 | michela | can anyone advise on which is better of the options to use NTFS (via NTFS-3g) or HFS+ (via hfsplus) for external r/w partitions on debian? |
| 13:50.25 | abrotman | neither ? |
| 13:50.34 | waltz | how do I restart inetd? |
| 13:50.37 | DawnLight | what will happen after the toy story characters run out? |
| 13:50.38 | stew | waltz: the default config file is embedded in /var/lib/dpkg/info/openbsd-inetd.preinst |
| 13:51.03 | abrotman | DawnLight: they'll figure it out when they get there |
| 13:51.08 | stew | waltz: "/etc/init.d/inetd restart" or "pkill -1 inetd" if you just want it to reread the config file |
| 13:51.22 | DawnLight | who are they, abrotman? |
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| 13:51.48 | stew | DawnLight: the release managers decide on the names |
| 13:52.20 | waltz | stew: /etc/init.d/inetd doesn't exist :\ |
| 13:52.29 | abrotman | openbsd-inetd |
| 13:52.53 | waltz | k |
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| 13:54.40 | ganesh | debian 2.6.22-2-686 stew: |
| 13:55.14 | stew | ganesh: which release? etch? lenny? testing? fiesty? |
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| 13:56.23 | stew | ganesh: you are going to want to use ntfs-3g. its a matter of figuring out how you can install it (which differes depeding on which release you are using) |
| 13:56.49 | tarzeau | does someone have an etch backport of gimp 2.4? |
| 13:57.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: you'd also have to backport gtk and a few other things |
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| 13:58.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm working on it... |
| 13:58.19 | abrotman | gtk might already be backported at backports.org .. dunno |
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| 13:59.17 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 13:59.29 | tengulre | which channel discuss delphi or VC++? |
| 13:59.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | tengulre, ask #freenode |
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| 14:00.44 | ganesh | stew:its lenny |
| 14:01.16 | stew | ganesh: then ntfs-3g should be available. i have no idea how to use it, i'd start with /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g |
| 14:01.24 | RichiH | is there a way to determine how many bytes are in a fifo? |
| 14:01.26 | DawnLight | what package do i need for iceweasel's print driver or xprint ( i understand it uses that instead if installed) to reckognize network shared cups printers? |
| 14:01.38 | RichiH | also, what is the canonical way to clear all data that is in a fifo? |
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| 14:02.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:02.55 | dpkg | qotd143 is, like, < stoned> jetscreamer: i'll join you. lets run away together |
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| 14:04.09 | ganesh | stew:ntfs is not there in doc |
| 14:05.14 | telmich | have you ever seen a case, where /etc/fstab was changed by some package during dist-upgrade? |
| 14:05.36 | redeeman | hello |
| 14:05.52 | telmich | it looks like 4 of our servers have a reverted (/ mounted by /dev/sdb1, as it was in the installation) fstab, although we corrected it after install to sda |
| 14:05.53 | redeeman | anyone that have installed debian etch to a soekris net5501? |
| 14:05.55 | telmich | 1 |
| 14:06.01 | telmich | redeeman: I got that |
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| 14:06.45 | redeeman | telmich: excellent, do you have a few minutes for me to ask some questions? |
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| 14:07.17 | null22 | when trying to start x11, i get (EE): AIGLX: DRI module not loaded. well i did that because i don't need it, nor do i need aiglx? how can i disable aiglx completely? did not find any packages of this installed, nor is there an aiglx module. |
| 14:09.02 | stew | null22: aiglx is included with recent versions of xorg, you don't need it. that line above indicates that it is being disabled for you. is this preventing x from starting? |
| 14:09.19 | null22 | seems like its the "glx" module, thought this is mesa? |
| 14:09.25 | abrotman | no |
| 14:09.32 | null22 | GlCore? |
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| 14:09.37 | telmich | redeeman: just ask |
| 14:09.42 | redeeman | telmich: okay thanks |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | aiglx isn't related to basic hardware 3d operations |
| 14:09.54 | abrotman | well it is .. but aiglx isn't needed for them |
| 14:10.03 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 14:10.03 | dpkg | methinks aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ... |
| 14:10.12 | redeeman | telmich: what im wondering is, which disk do you use? compactflash or small disk, and which install method, netboot or install on disk and put into soekris? |
| 14:10.32 | ganesh | stew:ntfs is not there in doc |
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| 14:11.12 | null22 | well I'll unload glx which seems to be aiglx.. don't need gl 3d rendering on this machine. thanks |
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| 14:11.29 | stew | ganesh: i don't know how to use ntfs-3g. if /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g/README.Debian or /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g/README doesn't tell you, i don't know, you'll have to find out some other way |
| 14:11.36 | stew | null22: glx is not aiglx |
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| 14:12.03 | ganesh | stew:k thanx |
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| 14:12.17 | null22 | stew: sure? just commented out "Load glx" and the (EE): AIGLX: line just disappeared |
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| 14:14.32 | telmich | redeeman: cf; installed via debootstrap |
| 14:14.56 | stew | null22: aiglx is a way to render things via glx |
| 14:14.56 | redeeman | telmich: so you did all that on some normal pc and moved the card into the soekris? |
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| 14:15.20 | telmich | redeeman: yep |
| 14:15.57 | redeeman | telmich: thanks alot, that was what i was hoping, cause i have never tried to setup netboot before(and while i do believe i could do it, its easier this way) |
| 14:17.07 | redeeman | telmich: one last question, do you usually hang out here in the debian channel, so that i can ask you if i run into trouble? |
| 14:17.10 | DeFirence | :P @ DawnLight |
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| 14:18.34 | telmich | redeeman: no |
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| 14:19.47 | redeeman | telmich: would it be possible for me to get your email address then, in case i run into trouble (i dont think i will, but just in case) |
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| 14:20.26 | stew | redeeman: you should just ask the channel if you have a question instead of bugging individuals |
| 14:21.01 | redeeman | i realize my request is unusual, but it's not many people that have experience with a soekris |
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| 14:21.23 | telmich | redeeman: if you've a null-modem cable, there's no problem at all |
| 14:21.30 | redeeman | i do |
| 14:21.37 | telmich | redeeman: you can find me in #cLinux in case I'm not here |
| 14:21.42 | redeeman | ah okay |
| 14:21.45 | waltz | lol, I just hosed my /etc, what can I do? |
| 14:22.18 | redeeman | waltz: debootstrap a debian and copy the /etc |
| 14:22.21 | abrotman | waltz: all of it ? |
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| 14:27.43 | harpal | anyone tell me whats difference between --append-to-version and --append_to_version in make-kpkg options |
| 14:27.52 | stew | harpal: nothing |
| 14:28.02 | stew | waltz: restore from backup? |
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| 14:29.05 | gribouille | hi |
| 14:29.14 | gribouille | how can I download a source .deb ? |
| 14:29.24 | harpal | stew, I have made my custom kernel but I want i686 instead of i386. what should I do? |
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| 14:30.25 | stew | gribouille: "apt-get source packagename" will downlaod the source of a pacakge and extract it to the current directory |
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| 14:31.11 | stew | harpal: you mean you just compiled a kenrel but you used i386 in --append-to-version? and you want to change to i686? or something different? |
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| 14:31.26 | DeFirence | DawnLight: looks like i wasted a day of my life |
| 14:31.51 | gribouille | stew, apt-get tries to lock a file in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and fails |
| 14:31.53 | niklas | hello. I installed Debian on a computer when the hard drive was set as slave, but I only had one hard drive. I then changed the jumper to set it as single harddrive. But now when I start it up it says Waiting for root file system ... and then waits. Can this be because I changed the jumper? |
| 14:32.07 | DeFirence | DawnLight: after installing all the dependencies and all, theres another problem with streamcast i cant get around :( |
| 14:32.25 | niklas | Will I have to change some conf file to make it look for the root file system somewhere else? |
| 14:32.45 | stew | gribouille: you have to kill whatever other program has it locked. perhaps you left an another copy of aptitude/apt-get/dpk/synaptic/dpkg-reconfigure etc running |
| 14:32.54 | harpal | I have given 686 in --append-to-version. but my kernel look like linux-image-2.6.18.8-0.1_686_i386.deb |
| 14:33.17 | harpal | stew, I want to remove that i386 there |
| 14:33.23 | stew | harpal: then rename the file |
| 14:33.49 | gribouille | stew, the message is E: Unable to lock /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 14:34.01 | harpal | ok |
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| 14:34.15 | stew | harpal: that file is indicating that the deb is a binary deb for the i386 arch as opposed to amd64 or sparc or ppc... i686 would not be valid there |
| 14:34.33 | DawnLight | DeFirence: can't get around? |
| 14:34.34 | stew | harpal: but it really doesn't matter much unless you are going to be including it in a repository |
| 14:35.00 | shuveb | hi guys, how do i know if a service will be started on system boot up. in other words, how can i have a list of what services will be started or not started on system boot up? |
| 14:35.05 | DeFirence | i get an error and even the guys in #perl cant help :/ |
| 14:35.10 | harpal | stew, but I have changed processor type there to 686 than it works on 686 |
| 14:35.12 | DeFirence | ive tried everything |
| 14:35.30 | DawnLight | shuveb: /etc/init.d/readme |
| 14:35.32 | harpal | in config file, while compiling |
| 14:35.41 | shuveb | DawnLight, I will check it out |
| 14:36.29 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.25 | DeFirence | not shoutcast |
| 14:37.30 | DeFirence | shoutcast works |
| 14:37.35 | DeFirence | streamcast is the problem |
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| 14:38.07 | DawnLight | what does that do? |
| 14:38.34 | DeFirence | it controls an autodj of sorts when other djs arnt on air |
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| 14:39.09 | DawnLight | can't you find some other programs that do those things in debian? |
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| 14:39.48 | DeFirence | well |
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| 14:39.59 | stew | harpal: yes, 686 is i386 architecture |
| 14:40.01 | DeFirence | streamcast seems to be the best i can find |
| 14:40.03 | stew | harpal: i386 is correct there |
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| 14:40.26 | DeFirence | theres a very outdated abandoned one with no interface but thats useless |
| 14:40.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - does anybody know of a distrobuted (master-master) file system i can use to syncronise files across two servers, without repartitioning them? |
| 14:40.52 | stew | harpal: debian supports 13 or so architectures, i386, amd64, sparc, ppc, alpha, etc. 686 would be part of the i386 arch |
| 14:41.04 | troubled | stew: be prepared |
| 14:41.20 | Super_Cat_Frog | stew: is it no really i486 and above? |
| 14:41.21 | Super_Cat_Frog | *not |
| 14:41.33 | troubled | #wikipedia and #defocus hit so far |
| 14:41.57 | DawnLight | DeFirence: is libapache-mod-mp3 good for you? |
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| 14:42.46 | rmaj_ | my apache resets at random times |
| 14:42.50 | rmaj_ | is that a known bug? |
| 14:42.54 | DeFirence | ill look what that is, but i need something that can be easily interfaced with by a bot and possibly web gui too |
| 14:42.54 | stew | rmaj_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:43.01 | harpal | stew, so its right? no need to change that? |
| 14:43.07 | stew | harpal: its right |
| 14:43.22 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i'm sure you can find something |
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| 14:43.39 | DeFirence | i spent like half a day looking already |
| 14:43.46 | brosner | i am trying to diagnose a networking problem on my debian 4.0 server. it has really low throughput outbound. it seems to do fine to http connections, but whenever i communicate between another server in the same network is awfully slow. i am just looking for things to help determine why it does this. any ideas? |
| 14:44.01 | harpal | stew, thanks a lot |
| 14:44.02 | helo | no, go away! |
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| 14:44.30 | stew | Super_Cat_Frog: the minimum supported processor for the i386 arch is a 486. pentium, pentium {pro,II,III,IV} all amd processors including 64 bit processors are all supported by the i386 arch, i386 is just a name that covers all of these |
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| 14:44.47 | DawnLight | DeFirence: check that mod |
| 14:44.52 | helo | maybe should be 'x86'? |
| 14:44.54 | DeFirence | k |
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| 14:45.16 | stew | Super_Cat_Frog: if you are asking if debian has a port that supports only 486 and above, it does, it is named i386, debian does not have a port that only supports 686 and above |
| 14:45.37 | DawnLight | DeFirence: does xmms-liveice do you good? |
| 14:45.45 | DeFirence | lol |
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| 14:45.48 | DeFirence | ill look :P |
| 14:46.04 | DawnLight | DeFirence: what about ample |
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| 14:48.11 | Super_Cat_Frog | stew: i was just asking for clarification of what you said |
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| 14:48.24 | stew | Super_Cat_Frog: i was just trying to clarify it. did i? |
| 14:48.34 | Super_Cat_Frog | stew: yes, thanks |
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| 14:49.19 | DeFirence | xmms-liveice dont do |
| 14:49.25 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i see also ffmpeg |
| 14:49.26 | DeFirence | wont* |
| 14:49.30 | DeFirence | hmm |
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| 14:50.22 | DawnLight | DeFirence: gnump3d? |
| 14:50.33 | DeFirence | haha |
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| 14:50.51 | DawnLight | DeFirence: icecast-server |
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| 14:51.08 | DeFirence | remember, it needs to be something thats automated and that can be sent playlist update commands etc |
| 14:51.23 | DeFirence | icecast is just like shoutcast? |
| 14:52.00 | senti | hello , how to open a file of format .LP3 |
| 14:52.08 | senti | in debian |
| 14:52.24 | DawnLight | DeFirence: in aptitude, press l and type in ~Gnetwork::server ~Gworks-with::audio and you are there |
| 14:52.32 | DawnLight | brb |
| 14:52.36 | senti | what package is need to install for to see this format file |
| 14:52.38 | DeFirence | k |
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| 14:54.47 | senti | please help me to open a file of format .LP3 |
| 14:54.49 | DawnLight | senti: i don't know that one but you can look for it in wikipedia and see if there are linux programs for it and then look for those in debian |
| 14:55.37 | senti | DawnLight, thanks |
| 14:55.58 | DawnLight | wikipedia++ |
| 14:56.03 | senti | DawnLight, can u give ma link to open that wikipedia |
| 14:56.29 | DawnLight | !tell senti about google |
| 14:57.07 | senti | DawnLight, im searching in google but im not getting a proper solution for that |
| 14:57.12 | DeFirence | !tell senti about u |
| 14:57.28 | DawnLight | passing it on, are we |
| 14:57.50 | DawnLight | senti: google for wikipedia |
| 14:58.00 | DeFirence | haha, im trying to learn to not use u |
| 14:58.09 | senti | DawnLight, im as a development side debian based OS |
| 14:58.13 | DawnLight | does it work for u? |
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| 14:58.41 | DawnLight | !based on debian |
| 14:58.41 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 14:58.58 | Yancho | I have libc6 2.3.6 and I need 2.4.1 .. how can I upgrade please? |
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| 14:59.16 | senti | DawnLight, which one , imnot getting |
| 14:59.16 | stew | senti: do you know what are the contents of that file? |
| 14:59.20 | stew | Yancho: why do you need 2.4.1? |
| 14:59.33 | stew | senti: what does "file /path/to/foo.LP3" say it contains? |
| 14:59.57 | senti | stew, i dont know wats the thing present in that file , i got it as a mail |
| 15:00.02 | Yancho | stew : need to install Postgis : http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/misc/postgis |
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| 15:00.19 | stew | Yancho: do not install packages from another distribution onto debian |
| 15:00.23 | DawnLight | !tell DeFirence about debtags |
| 15:00.29 | senti | stew, are you getting me |
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| 15:00.39 | Yancho | stew my os is ubuntu |
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| 15:00.46 | stew | Yancho: then ask in #ubuntu, not here |
| 15:00.54 | Yancho | oki thanks :) |
| 15:00.57 | DeFirence | ye, i now know what those are :P |
| 15:00.59 | DawnLight | !tell Yancho about ubuntu |
| 15:01.00 | Yancho | and sorry for wring channel |
| 15:01.13 | stew | senti: what does "file /path/to/foo.LP3" return? |
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| 15:02.08 | senti | stew, it is unable to open |
| 15:03.01 | alex_ | stew, how many times per day do you say : ask in #unbuntu lol |
| 15:03.25 | Nyle | alex_: as many times as needed |
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| 15:03.43 | Nyle | How hard is it to understand that Ubuntu IS NOT Debian |
| 15:04.03 | helo | since ubuntu is so much better than debian, there are more people that come in here for ubuntu help than there are for debian |
| 15:04.04 | alex_ | "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" should be the first thing on the list :) |
| 15:04.16 | alex_ | tpoic |
| 15:04.18 | alex_ | topic |
| 15:04.27 | Nyle | helo: umm.. if ubuntu was better, they wouldn't come to #debian for help |
| 15:04.28 | stew | senti: did you type literaly "/path/to/foo.LP3" or did you substitude the actual filename? |
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| 15:11.31 | murali | Sir , i created install , it is installing atlast it says "select & software step filed " ??????????/ |
| 15:11.51 | murali | Sir , i created install DVD, it is installing atlast it says "select & software step filed " ??????????/ |
| 15:12.13 | murali | please anyone come and me a solution |
| 15:12.20 | Ronin | patience murali |
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| 15:14.31 | magnet | hi |
| 15:14.59 | DawnLight | !greet magnet |
| 15:14.59 | dpkg | Hi there, magnet |
| 15:15.12 | wols | !in |
| 15:15.12 | dpkg | hmm... in is India, or #debianindia |
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| 15:15.17 | magnet | does anyone know how I can send all mysql logs ( not only errors ) to syslog ? I'm using mysql 4.x |
| 15:15.45 | magnet | I saw debian used logger to send errors, but I didn't understood how it works. |
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| 15:17.44 | deadcat | i am having trouble burning .mp3 to audio cd. what tools should i use? commandline |
| 15:17.53 | RichiH | is there a way to determine how many bytes are in a fifo? |
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| 15:20.17 | waltz | hm |
| 15:20.25 | waltz | I can't find package apt-setup in a chroot |
| 15:20.35 | waltz | what does this mean?/what can I do to fix it? |
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| 15:21.22 | wols | there is no apt-setup anymore in debian |
| 15:21.25 | stew | waltz: apt-setup was removed from etch, its only available as part of the installer now |
| 15:21.25 | wols | !apt-setup |
| 15:21.26 | dpkg | methinks apt-setup is a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 15:21.43 | terr_ | what can make it impossible to ping one machine on a subnet but allow one to ping another machine on the same subnet? From the firewall I can ping both. |
| 15:21.55 | waltz | ahh |
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| 15:22.14 | stew | terr_: incorrect subnet masks? |
| 15:22.23 | terr_ | stew I can't see anything worng there |
| 15:22.33 | terr_ | they are all 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 15:23.06 | waltz | !apt-cdrom |
| 15:23.06 | dpkg | hmm... apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
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| 15:24.22 | terr_ | stew. ping 192.168.2.1 works. ping 192.168.2.2 fails. ping 192.168.2.3 works. 2.1 is the if on the firewall. 2.2 and 2.3 are separate machines. 2.2 is just being rebuilt. |
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| 15:24.55 | terr_ | stew if I log into the firewall then they all work |
| 15:24.57 | stew | terr_: does it work in the opposite direction? |
| 15:25.06 | terr_ | stew let me try |
| 15:25.10 | wam | Hi, I need a tool which calls some program regularily (or via cron) and compares the output between the calls and mails me, if something changed. Anyone? |
| 15:25.31 | abrotman | diff, cmp |
| 15:26.41 | lbt | wam: monit would do it without cron and has all the emai setup in it |
| 15:26.53 | lbt | http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/ |
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| 15:27.30 | terr_ | stew. some things work in the reverse direction. |
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| 15:28.46 | wam | lbt thanks - I'll have a look |
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| 15:29.10 | capiira | hi all anyone know why hal is ignoring <merge key="volume.ignore" type="bool">true</merge> ? |
| 15:29.25 | helo | you fools need to figure yourselves out right now! |
| 15:29.28 | helo | RIGHT NOW DAMNIT!!! |
| 15:30.18 | Nyle | what? |
| 15:30.21 | waltz | "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" <- what are the possible values for these? |
| 15:30.40 | Nyle | waltz: I am not sure but you can try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:30.42 | Nyle | maybe |
| 15:30.45 | Maliuta | export LANG=en_AU |
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| 15:30.59 | capiira | ? why an invite to that channel? |
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| 15:31.05 | Nyle | waltz: that should set the variables afaik |
| 15:31.10 | Nyle | but then again, I don't know much |
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| 15:31.29 | waltz | :\ |
| 15:31.43 | Maliuta | waltz: there are a couple of hundred values possible for LANG |
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| 15:31.48 | Maliuta | waltz: pick one |
| 15:32.01 | waltz | en_US? |
| 15:32.11 | Maliuta | it's possible |
| 15:32.18 | Maliuta | if you build that locale |
| 15:32.33 | Maliuta | alot is possible |
| 15:33.03 | helo | what did i tell you about being all knowing? you'd better remember it... |
| 15:33.47 | Maliuta | waltz: "ar_QA ISO-8859-6" is also valid |
| 15:33.56 | Nyle | !info localeconf |
| 15:34.06 | waltz | Maliuta: ic |
| 15:34.06 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 15:34.15 | evilbelgian | lo all |
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| 15:35.01 | Maliuta | waltz: if you don't like that "de_BE.UTF-8 UTF-8" is also valid |
| 15:35.02 | Nyle | Dr. Evil? |
| 15:35.05 | DeFirence | !deb |
| 15:35.05 | dpkg | hmm... deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 15:35.13 | evilbelgian | no , just evilbelgian |
| 15:35.28 | Nyle | well, I thought i'd ask, since he was from Belgium too |
| 15:35.41 | waltz | Maliuta: are you done? |
| 15:36.01 | evilbelgian | ok |
| 15:36.03 | Maliuta | waltz: I could go through the whole list if you want |
| 15:36.08 | evilbelgian | yeah, new to linux here |
| 15:36.16 | Maliuta | waltz: you asked "what is valid" |
| 15:36.40 | Maliuta | waltz: unless you care to be more specific, you take what you get |
| 15:36.51 | Maliuta | waltz: and you get what you ask for |
| 15:36.57 | evilbelgian | i got debian at my local shopping centre ( we have computers set up where you cna burn linux installions to disk for free ) |
| 15:37.31 | evilbelgian | now i need to find a working harddrive and a case to install my spare parts into :P |
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| 15:38.40 | terr_ | if the nameserver issues a message "** server can't find blah: NXDOMAIN" what does this mean? |
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| 15:39.07 | wols | nxdomain = non existant domain |
| 15:39.08 | Nyle | evilbelgian: linux installation? |
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| 15:39.16 | Nyle | evilbelgian: how did you make them HW independant? |
| 15:39.30 | terr_ | wols. I take it that it means it doesn't know what the default domain is. |
| 15:39.30 | Nyle | evilbelgian: or you mean just the cds? |
| 15:39.35 | KRF | hey, i just installed the courier-pop3 and now i'd like to know how it is possible to allow the pop3 login only to users which are in the 'pop3' group for example |
| 15:39.40 | evilbelgian | nyle: can you please explain that |
| 15:39.47 | terr_ | wols... where / how is the default domain defined? |
| 15:39.56 | Nyle | evilbelgian: first answer my question :) you let them burn cds, or ghosted linux images? |
| 15:40.27 | wols | terr_: you search for "blah" which it couldn't find, right? |
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| 15:40.41 | evilbelgian | you burn the images to cd |
| 15:40.50 | terr_ | wols. yes. But if I fully qualify the domain name then it works. |
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| 15:41.14 | wols | terr_: resolv.conf |
| 15:41.14 | terr_ | wols so I gather my nameserver simply doesn't know what the default domain is. |
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| 15:41.21 | terr_ | wols. thoght so. thanx |
| 15:41.26 | wols | for the normal resolver |
| 15:41.29 | evilbelgian | they have a whole bunch of stuff on that machine, unbuntu,kubuntu,edubuntu,opencd,debian,mandriva,openlab4 |
| 15:41.50 | stew | terr_: your nameserver shouldn't know anything about a default domain, if you want a default domain, set it up as a search domain in resolv.conf |
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| 15:42.17 | terr_ | stew. I've fixed it. |
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| 15:43.07 | terr_ | stew the nameserver has been runnign for years. I jsut NEVER log into that machine and try to find other machines on the subnet. So it didn't know what subnet it was on and didn't need to until today. |
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| 15:43.40 | et | are there by chance manual pages of older debian releases (sarge) available on the web? |
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| 15:46.22 | evilbelgian | nyle, you there |
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| 15:47.08 | Nyle | yes |
| 15:47.14 | Nyle | what can I do for you |
| 15:47.36 | evilbelgian | well i answered you and you didn't reply |
| 15:47.45 | Nyle | I didn't think I needed to |
| 15:47.51 | Nyle | you answered my question |
| 15:47.52 | Nyle | :) |
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| 15:48.25 | evilbelgian | oh ok, i was expecting some sort of query as to which fantastic place i live in where they have computers where you can burn linux for free |
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| 15:48.35 | evilbelgian | with only cd costs to think about |
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| 15:49.00 | Nyle | you are providing a great service to mankind. Kudos |
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| 15:49.21 | Nyle | we need more people like you in this world |
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| 15:49.56 | evilbelgian | O_o, i don't do it, theres this charity that just puts them up in shopping centres and other places |
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| 15:50.23 | Nyle | thats great. Maybe you could help them out, offer some volunteer work |
| 15:50.29 | Nyle | maybe an hour or two a day |
| 15:50.30 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:50.35 | evilbelgian | yeah, i should. |
| 15:50.43 | michela | any pointers for pages on howto mount an external usb2 drive on etch? can't work out what device it is |
| 15:51.09 | evilbelgian | but that would kill what is left of my dwindling social life |
| 15:51.20 | Nyle | michela: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=108079&sid=78c8a15affe4c4b4828325cfb3038d56 |
| 15:51.23 | Nyle | michela: ^^ |
| 15:51.26 | Nyle | learn to search |
| 15:51.36 | masa | hi i have just installed debian and i have a small problem with my soundcard ( nforce2 ac97 Realtek ALC650E) oss "thinks" its a mono device |
| 15:51.37 | michela | thanks |
| 15:51.38 | Zibby | I've got Debian running on a Linksys NSLU2. I left it running overnight, everything was fine. When I checked in this morning the REady/Status light was orange and the NSLU2 was unresponsive until I power cycled it. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:51.54 | michela | for link, not sarcasm |
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| 15:52.05 | Nyle | it wasn't sarcasm, it was sincere sound advice |
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| 15:52.16 | Nyle | your perception of it is just that, your perception. |
| 15:52.17 | JoshH | michela, if you type dmesg after plugging it in, it should tell you the device |
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| 15:53.05 | michela | thanks Josh |
| 15:53.46 | DeFirence | woah |
| 15:53.49 | DeFirence | DawnLight |
| 15:53.54 | DeFirence | u around? |
| 15:53.57 | DawnLight | ya |
| 15:54.01 | Nyle | !info pmount etch |
| 15:54.09 | dpkg | pmount: (mount removable devices as normal user), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.13-1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 15:54.15 | DeFirence | do u have vlc media player installed? |
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| 15:54.40 | DawnLight | no, DeFirence |
| 15:54.42 | Nyle | DeFirence: just ask your question |
| 15:54.46 | Nyle | DawnLight: whats up |
| 15:54.55 | DeFirence | Nyle, im talking to DawnLight :) |
| 15:55.02 | DawnLight | yo |
| 15:55.04 | Nyle | !ask |
| 15:55.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:55.08 | DeFirence | we.. |
| 15:55.13 | DawnLight | its ok |
| 15:55.25 | DeFirence | well*, i wanted someone to compare the 2 streams |
| 15:55.35 | Nyle | then you should have asked that |
| 15:55.38 | DeFirence | but u need vlc media player for the second one |
| 15:55.41 | Nyle | maybe someone else with vlc could help |
| 15:55.46 | DeFirence | yar |
| 15:55.51 | Nyle | its better to just ask :) |
| 15:56.25 | DawnLight | yeah thats what i thought until i got bitch slapped a couple |
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| 15:56.29 | DeFirence | its not very debian involved thats why i asked DawnLight, and hes been listening to my stream all day so far :P |
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| 15:57.05 | Nyle | maybe you can take it to #music then? |
| 15:57.12 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 15:57.24 | Nyle | there are others who maybe able to assist you, and you won't be offtopic here |
| 15:57.29 | Nyle | kill two birds with one stone |
| 15:57.37 | DeFirence | haha, hmk |
| 15:57.44 | terr_ | what is port 22? ssh? |
| 15:57.45 | Ace2016 | How do i untar a .tar file? i know -xvjf and -xvzf fro bz2 and gz files but what about a file that has just .tar instead of .tar.bz2 or gz? |
| 15:57.48 | Nyle | terr_: yes |
| 15:57.55 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i'm no good tester. my connection is too random |
| 15:58.12 | DeFirence | ok |
| 15:58.31 | Nyle | tar xvf blah.tar |
| 15:58.34 | Nyle | man tar |
| 15:58.48 | Nyle | v is for verbose output, and it is not required |
| 15:58.48 | DeFirence | well, i encoded the seconds stream with a different codec and at half the bitrate of the first, but they sound the same |
| 15:59.03 | terr_ | Nyle: are you familiar with nat.conf? |
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| 15:59.08 | Nyle | no I am not |
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| 15:59.24 | harpal | I want to know cpu usage? |
| 15:59.31 | Nyle | harpal: top, htop |
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| 16:00.13 | Ace2016 | i think my laptop is overheating |
| 16:00.16 | Nyle | !info htop |
| 16:00.18 | dpkg | htop: (interactive processes viewer), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.6+svn20070915-1 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 16:00.18 | Ace2016 | how do i force the fan to max? |
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| 16:00.34 | Ace2016 | it sounds as if the fan isn't even working |
| 16:00.50 | Ace2016 | its so hot that there is no way i could even keep this on my lap for more than 20 seconds |
| 16:01.05 | Nyle | Ace2016: maybe you could try to install lmsensors and see if you can get a temp/fan speed output |
| 16:01.26 | bonez44 | help...i have a permissions problem...an applicationI am trying to install fails, when I click install...thus "You do not have permission to read from the CDROM device you selected....Please correct this permission propblem, or choose a different CDROM device to read from.....' |
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| 16:01.27 | Hotwire | Hi, i'm using unstable, and recently my keyboard layout has changed from GB to US, i tried reconfiguring xserver-xorg, but to no avail. Has anyone experienced similar problems, or know why this might be happening? |
| 16:01.28 | Ace2016 | Nyle: thanks its extracting now |
| 16:01.31 | harpal | Nyle: Is there any other command. becaue it goes to interactive mode and I dont want to go interactive mode. I have to use that command and take output and do processing on it and display to webpage |
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| 16:01.51 | Nyle | harpal: hang on |
| 16:02.00 | Ace2016 | it happened to me, its stuck in us for some reason and i don't have working keyboard leds :( |
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| 16:02.22 | bonez44 | /dev/hda on /media/WXPVOL_EN type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8) |
| 16:02.32 | bonez44 | this is the mount line referring to my CDROM drive... |
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| 16:02.41 | Hotwire | Ace2016: Oonly my numlock led works :S |
| 16:02.44 | guhhh | please! i'm facing a really annoying problem. my resolv.conf is getting updated by some source i dont know wich is, and it sets a ip thats not from my router, so i lost complete access to internet. |
| 16:02.50 | DeFirence | wtf, i got another listener :S |
| 16:02.56 | xingu | harpal: install snmpd; poll the ucd_load5min oid - 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.10.1.3.2 |
| 16:03.03 | Nyle | harpal: cat /proc/loadavg |
| 16:03.05 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:03.05 | Hotwire | Ace2016: is there an open bug on the issue? |
| 16:03.32 | Ace2016 | well i wouldn't mind if only my num lock key worked since i never use caps lock, but i really want my caps lock to work |
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| 16:03.45 | Ace2016 | Hotwire: i'm new here, not really the person to ask |
| 16:04.13 | harpal | Nyle: thanks a lot |
| 16:04.20 | Ace2016 | I just can't believe someone would design a laptop capable of getting this hot when you run xgl and compiz fusion and play ut2004 for a bit |
| 16:04.25 | Nyle | harpal: was that what you were looking for> |
| 16:05.09 | harpal | Nyle: Its showing me some numbers, now I have to check that with top and verify that. let me check |
| 16:05.59 | fluxdude | I have an LSI MegaRaid 320-2X SCSI card in a server and have added 4 new disks, configured and initialized them with the management utility while online but the linux operating system cannot see the new disks. How do I make the operating system see the new disks without rebooting? |
| 16:06.07 | xingu | Ace2016: it's perfectly possible; there are notebook vendors out there that ship desktop (cpu, video) parts in a notebook housing. |
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| 16:06.19 | xingu | Ace2016: is /proc/acpi populated? |
| 16:06.51 | xingu | Ace2016: and have you loaded your relevant speedstep/ powernow regulator module? |
| 16:07.07 | Nyle | I don't do laptops |
| 16:07.09 | Nyle | :/ |
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| 16:07.31 | harpal | Nyle: No its just showing me average load not that CPU usage. |
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| 16:07.49 | Ace2016 | xingu: yes its populated |
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| 16:08.16 | deathplanter | hi guys... error while loading shared libraries: libxml2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - why does this happen even if /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 exists? |
| 16:08.31 | masa | I have a problem with oss/alsa; I'm running Debian version 4.0. when i try to get stereo sound i get only the right-line the device drivers are snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec |
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| 16:09.02 | masa | is it better now ? |
| 16:09.23 | abrotman | harpal: run top in batch mode |
| 16:09.29 | terr_ | What is port 458? |
| 16:09.35 | terr_ | udp 458 that is |
| 16:09.42 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/d45f3ae27 <- i'm getting this error in dmesg, how could i fix that ? :( |
| 16:09.46 | Nyle | !info sysstat |
| 16:09.47 | wols | terr_: check /etc/services |
| 16:09.50 | dpkg | sysstat: (sar, iostat and mpstat - system performance tools for Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 176 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 16:10.08 | harpal | abrotman, how to run in batch mode? |
| 16:10.13 | abrotman | man top |
| 16:10.24 | terr_ | wols - no 458 in the file. Seems to be comming from the outside. |
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| 16:10.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do I prevent a copy process on KDE blocking my whole bandwidth? |
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| 16:10.52 | wols | terr_: incoming connection or something listening on the port? |
| 16:11.01 | HardDisk_WP | so I wanna limit its bandwith from 255 k to 100k |
| 16:11.20 | Nyle | harpal: install sysstat and use the mpstat util |
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| 16:11.39 | harpal | ok |
| 16:11.56 | |DuReX| | somebody ? :( |
| 16:12.03 | terr_ | wols. yes looks like it. its a return-icmp packet comming in. udp protocol |
| 16:12.29 | wols | |DuReX|: what kernel version is it? it could be a memory error |
| 16:12.37 | wols | |DuReX|: you have a nvidia NIC? |
| 16:12.52 | terr_ | wols. I just see its being blocked. I'm still no farther ahead tying to figure out why I can't ping my new machine. |
| 16:12.56 | |DuReX| | yes wols, invidia nic |
| 16:13.00 | |DuReX| | having 2.6.23 |
| 16:13.09 | xingu | harpal: nb, hrProcessorTable, particularly hrProcessorLoad (1.3.6.1.2.1.25.3.3.1.2) is exactly what you want to be polling, I'd wager |
| 16:13.14 | wols | |DuReX|: why 2.6.23? |
| 16:13.20 | Nyle | xingu: correct |
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| 16:13.42 | |DuReX| | cause that one works quite stable with my sata raid controller |
| 16:13.43 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 16:13.46 | et | does someone have a debian sarge available? i'd like to find out if the find there supports the -delete action |
| 16:14.06 | wols | |DuReX|: your controller being? |
| 16:14.15 | harpal | hrProcessorTable how can I see that? |
| 16:14.35 | |DuReX| | Highpoint RocketRaid 2220 |
| 16:14.36 | terr_ | wols I cannot see anything in any of these configs which does something different with 192.168.2.2 compared to any other 24 bit addresses on the subnet. |
| 16:14.39 | Nyle | using snmp |
| 16:14.47 | Nyle | harpal: with simple network management protocol |
| 16:15.00 | evilbelgian | piece of !@#$ scripts screwing up my mirc |
| 16:15.23 | |DuReX| | i elso get: eth0: too many iterations (6) in nv_nic_irq. |
| 16:15.26 | xingu | harpal: install and configure snmpd; then poll that oid, every minute; and when you're done reinventing rrdtool, perhaps reinvent cricket as well. |
| 16:15.37 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:15.40 | sonnie | my debian/hppa has a HP DS2405 connected, but cann't recognize it during boot time. what module should i load? |
| 16:15.58 | irdakabel | et: the find from woody doesnt have --delete in --help or in the manpage. |
| 16:16.00 | wols | DustyDingo: then 2.6.23 is not stable with forcedeth for some reason. perks of a custom, bleeding edge kernel |
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| 16:16.19 | harpal | ok, I am installing snmpd |
| 16:16.26 | Nyle | 'bleeding edge' |
| 16:16.32 | Nyle | that never made sense to me |
| 16:16.52 | Nyle | what does that mean anyway, besides being uderstood that is latest/greatest |
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| 16:17.01 | redduck666 | et: how 'bout -exec rm -f {} \; ? |
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| 16:17.39 | xingu | Nyle: "leading edge" is "enterprise ready", late-80's style. |
| 16:17.43 | et | redduck666: i know that that works, but it's kludgy and slow compared to -delete ;) |
| 16:17.55 | xingu | Nyle: hence, the homophonic corruption "bleeding edge", |
| 16:18.21 | cahoot | |DuReX|, looks like it's a known bug - there an option to pass to forcedeth see here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2006/08/msg00275.html |
| 16:18.35 | Nyle | xingu: ahhh |
| 16:18.44 | Nyle | xingu: that makes sense |
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| 16:19.21 | Nyle | harpal: do you know how to use snmp? |
| 16:19.40 | |DuReX| | cahoot: the to many irq's will be gone then yes, but will it fix the 'dmesg error' ? :s |
| 16:19.41 | Nyle | harpal: don't just install it cuz someone said so, but install it because you want to read/learn about it |
| 16:19.50 | Nyle | I doubt xingu will hold you finger while you do it |
| 16:19.51 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:20.21 | cahoot | |DuReX|, no idea - guess only google can help you atm |
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| 16:20.42 | Nyle | harpal: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/snmp.htm |
| 16:20.56 | subprime | arrow up down left adn right dont work in Konsole |
| 16:21.12 | Nyle | subprime: which debian release? |
| 16:21.20 | subprime | latest Nyle |
| 16:21.22 | evilbelgian | i have6 disks of the 4oro debian install, how much space will that take up |
| 16:21.36 | Nyle | subprime: have you tried to look at the bts for that package? |
| 16:21.42 | Nyle | subprime: sid or experimental? |
| 16:21.42 | harpal | Nyle: Thanks a lot, actually I dont know that |
| 16:21.45 | abrotman | 40r0 |
| 16:21.51 | subprime | Nyle: unstable |
| 16:22.00 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 16:22.05 | Nyle | subprime: first check the debian bts for konsole |
| 16:22.09 | Nyle | !bts |
| 16:22.09 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:22.29 | Nyle | if that fails then we'll try to see if its a bug in the latest konsole package or something else |
| 16:22.45 | subprime | actually i hoped to hear it was a wrong keyboard setting or something |
| 16:22.46 | |DuReX| | there is NOTHING on google on it :( |
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| 16:22.54 | |DuReX| | well somebody with same prob, but no solution :( |
| 16:23.02 | Nyle | subprime: well, does the keyboard work in other apps? |
| 16:23.12 | abrotman | subprime: maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 16:23.26 | Nyle | subprime: I've been using kde/konsole for years and have not come across anything that may prevent the arrow keys from working in konsole |
| 16:23.36 | Nyle | subprime: you could try to ask in #kde also |
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| 16:23.59 | Nyle | maybe its an upstream bug in the latest kde? |
| 16:24.11 | subprime | well i have to mention i installed a new motherboard |
| 16:24.13 | Nyle | maybe its a debian package bug? it may not even be a bug at all |
| 16:24.31 | Nyle | are you sure the keys work elsewhere |
| 16:24.39 | michela | my etch host isn't detecting any USB devices, keyboard, memory stick, drive. any tips? dmesg and fdisk output here - http://pastebin.com/m701b06ce |
| 16:24.51 | Nyle | michela: load the usb modules? |
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| 16:25.15 | Nyle | michela: modprobe usb-storage? |
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| 16:25.22 | Nyle | or lsmod |grep usb |
| 16:25.26 | Nyle | find out |
| 16:25.26 | michela | ta |
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| 16:25.33 | subprime | the keys also dont work in other kde apps |
| 16:25.40 | harpal | Nyle: mpstat is also a good tool |
| 16:25.42 | Ace2016_ | i need help |
| 16:25.42 | Nyle | subprime: do they work in cli? |
| 16:25.53 | Nyle | harpal: which is why I told you about it :) |
| 16:25.56 | Ace2016_ | alsaconf deleted my /etc/modprobe file!!! and now no modules are loading |
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| 16:26.08 | Ace2016_ | no sound no nvidia no nothing, what do i do? |
| 16:26.11 | Nyle | alsaconf would not do that |
| 16:26.14 | subprime | Nyle: cli ? |
| 16:26.23 | Nyle | command line interface |
| 16:26.25 | Nyle | dos mode |
| 16:26.28 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 16:26.40 | Ace2016_ | yea it does, it said it was updating the file, it froze and i restarted it, and not its messed up :'( |
| 16:26.41 | subprime | in textmode its fine |
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| 16:26.45 | MTecknology | I have this showing up... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42115/ .... 11:23 is the right one - how can I make those two times the same? |
| 16:27.08 | Nyle | subprime: maybe you have the wrong keyboard layout selected in xorg.conf? |
| 16:27.10 | Ace2016_ | so whats the reconfigure command for modprobe that regenerates the file? |
| 16:27.10 | Nyle | maybe |
| 16:27.12 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 16:27.21 | subprime | Nyle: could be |
| 16:27.22 | abrotman | or initramfs ? |
| 16:27.26 | abrotman | erm .. for initramfs ? |
| 16:27.31 | Ace2016_ | xingu: you there? know anything about getting modprobe restored? |
| 16:27.33 | Nyle | !drxx |
| 16:27.33 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:27.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:28.18 | anabain | I need some help about a compilation. Well, building netpbm has been successful (I've tried both 10-35 and 10-34 and ok), but then, when trying to run any of the programs in the package (ex.: /usr/local/netpbm/bin/pamtilt), I get this: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/netpbm/bin/pamtilt: undefined symbol: optParseOptions3 . Any ideas? |
| 16:28.30 | Ace2016_ | wait i mean /etc/modules, its modules not modprobe |
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| 16:29.25 | |DuReX| | VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB |
| 16:29.30 | |DuReX| | isn't this WAY TO big ? |
| 16:29.30 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 16:29.38 | Ace2016_ | anyone know what package created /etc/modules??? |
| 16:29.49 | RvGaTe | how can i check how large the content of some directory is ? |
| 16:29.59 | subprime | i typed reset on the konsole and it said 'Erase is control-H (^H). |
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| 16:30.10 | fasta | How can I draw a graph with dot from top to bottom and not from left to right? I.e. I want it to be about 10 inches in height and 3 inches in width. |
| 16:30.26 | Nyle | RvGaTe: man du |
| 16:30.32 | fasta | I can rotate it, but then the labels are also rotated. |
| 16:30.47 | RvGaTe | Nyle, thx |
| 16:30.47 | Nyle | RvGaTe: whats going on |
| 16:30.58 | MTecknology | how do i set my time zone from cli? |
| 16:31.10 | anabain | RvGaTe, du -h |
| 16:31.12 | Nyle | RvGaTe: get on skype or i'll kill you right now |
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| 16:31.24 | Nyle | RvGaTe: im sure you dont want to die young |
| 16:31.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:31.31 | RvGaTe | Nyle, just need to free up space.... (only having a 10gb drive, lol) |
| 16:31.32 | Ace2016_ | i only have 2 things in the new modules file and nothing is working, how do i fix this? |
| 16:31.49 | RvGaTe | Nyle, clearly your being an ass, have you actually checked skype ? |
| 16:31.49 | helo | is there a window manager that does nothing but draw borders around windows and put children above parents? |
| 16:32.02 | Nyle | RvGaTe: you JUST came on |
| 16:32.15 | Nyle | RvGaTe: I'm not being an ass, only playful |
| 16:32.17 | RvGaTe | Nyle, i was there before i got in xchat |
| 16:32.19 | Nyle | RvGaTe: its stoned btw |
| 16:32.28 | RvGaTe | Nyle, i know you piece of shit :P |
| 16:32.31 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:32.44 | RvGaTe | call me then |
| 16:32.47 | Nyle | yup |
| 16:32.56 | helo | this is getting hot |
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| 16:33.10 | xand | get a room |
| 16:33.22 | RvGaTe | Nyle, go to: #peoplewhocare |
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| 16:34.15 | Ace2016_ | is there some sort of module fixer updater that'll fix my modules file? i tried sudo modprobe nvidia and it failed :( |
| 16:34.35 | vulture | failed for what reason? |
| 16:34.36 | Ace2016_ | let me reboot and see what happens |
| 16:34.49 | Ace2016_ | it says it does not exist |
| 16:34.57 | wols | Ace2016_: you got a new kernel |
| 16:35.23 | Ace2016_ | no |
| 16:35.43 | Ace2016_ | its a custom kernel and everything was wroking fine |
| 16:35.43 | wols | find /lib/modules/ -name nvidia.ko |
| 16:35.46 | wols | any hits? |
| 16:36.19 | Ace2016_ | then i ran sudo alsaconf and restarted in the middle because laptop is getting hot, overheating or something |
| 16:36.35 | Ace2016_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.39 | Ace2016_ | yea the modules are there |
| 16:36.45 | wols | depmon -a |
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| 16:36.52 | wols | *depmod |
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| 16:37.16 | Ace2016_ | bash: depmod: command not found |
| 16:37.48 | assasukasse | did anyone saw this? http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/debian |
| 16:37.49 | wols | Ace2016_: think, don't do stuff by rote |
| 16:38.00 | Ace2016_ | rote? |
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| 16:38.30 | Ace2016_ | oh it worked, i had to su first |
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| 16:38.40 | Ace2016_ | now nvidia modprobes |
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| 16:38.42 | asddsa | How can i run something 32bit on a 64bit system ? |
| 16:38.55 | xand | did you try just running it? |
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| 16:39.04 | wols | asddsa: chroot, installing ia32libs, etc |
| 16:39.17 | Ace2016_ | so how do i fix my /etc/modules which only contains firewire-sbp2 and loop |
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| 16:39.30 | wols | define "fix" |
| 16:39.35 | Danielss89 | hi, if i want to move /home/vmail/domain/user to /home/vmail/deleted/domain/user, can i make mv create the folder domain automaticly? |
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| 16:39.54 | Ace2016_ | i need to get my modules to load properly, like the sound modules |
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| 16:40.26 | wols | !tell Ace2016_ about Smart questions |
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| 16:41.32 | subprime | pg-up gives me a / |
| 16:41.41 | Ace2016_ | what does your /etc/modules have in it, i swear when i saw my /etc/modules last time it had lots of stuff in it and my lsmod had more entries too |
| 16:41.42 | terr_ | what port does ping use? |
| 16:41.42 | subprime | insert doesnt do anythin |
| 16:42.00 | michela | nyle, I ran modprobe usbcore and USB Mass storage now configured according to /var/log/messages but nothing when device plugged in - in messages, fdisk, dmesg etc.. http://pastebin.com/m1f86fb91 |
| 16:42.00 | wols | terr_: none |
| 16:42.05 | wols | terr_: it's ICMP |
| 16:42.12 | terr_ | wols. ah! |
| 16:42.22 | subprime | as doesnt home/delete/end/pgdn/ the arrow keys and the numeric enter |
| 16:42.29 | Ace2016_ | yea its a new game in xorg, called guess which key is which, i was getting good at it in xgl too |
| 16:42.31 | subprime | the numeric 0 : ~ |
| 16:42.49 | wols | subprime: are you running sid? |
| 16:42.58 | Ace2016_ | wols: i'll reboot and see if everything is working again |
| 16:43.14 | subprime | although if i press numluck then the numeric keys behave as home/insert/pgup etc |
| 16:43.19 | orlandoj | anyone can help me. I am trying t compile an library, and the configure file "run" CONFIG_SHELL. |
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| 16:43.27 | orlandoj | someone can help me about it ? |
| 16:43.40 | wols | !tell orlandoj about errors |
| 16:43.45 | subprime | but the selection of arrow keys and the siz keys above it dont do anything |
| 16:43.52 | subprime | so |
| 16:44.08 | subprime | that should be clear enough |
| 16:44.13 | subprime | to you experts |
| 16:44.14 | orlandoj | wols, about what the line " if host_alias=`${CONFIG_SHELL-/bin/sh} $ac_config_guess`; then :" mean |
| 16:44.43 | subprime | now ... what is the problem and how do i fix it ? |
| 16:44.46 | cahoot | subprime, xorg on sid? |
| 16:44.48 | subprime | a oneliner will do |
| 16:44.52 | wols | orlandoj: have fun fixing your own problem if you can't follow simple dpkg suggestions |
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| 16:44.57 | subprime | xorg + unstable |
| 16:45.03 | wols | !btssmite subprime |
| 16:45.10 | wols | that's one line right? |
| 16:45.28 | cahoot | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=447666 subprime |
| 16:45.37 | subprime | wols: look im smiling at you :) |
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| 16:46.03 | wols | subprime: idiots often smile when they don't know anything else to do. makes them endearing |
| 16:46.12 | subprime | wols: yes |
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| 16:47.14 | subprime | wols: its also that smart people understand that arguing wont solve any problem faster usually |
| 16:47.45 | wols | then why are you starting to argue? I gave you a working one line solution as you requested, also why argue? |
| 16:47.47 | BlueToothz | morning |
| 16:47.53 | anabain | I need some help about a compilation. Well, building netpbm has been successful (I've tried both 10-35 and 10-34 and ok), but then, when trying to run any of the programs in the package (ex.: /usr/local/netpbm/bin/pamtilt), I get this: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/netpbm/bin/pamtilt: undefined symbol: optParseOptions3 . Any ideas? |
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| 16:48.33 | subprime | wols: yea im trying it but it doesnt work |
| 16:48.37 | wols | anabain: some library missing? |
| 16:48.51 | wols | subprime: then you shouldn't run sid |
| 16:49.06 | wols | anabain: how did you install netpbm? |
| 16:49.09 | anabain | wols, how should I check? |
| 16:49.10 | subprime | wols: Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? |
| 16:49.26 | wols | subprime: is this debian related? |
| 16:49.34 | BlueToothz | haha I was about to say |
| 16:49.40 | wols | anabain: answer my question please |
| 16:49.42 | subprime | wols: yes i found it on bugs.debian |
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| 16:49.51 | anabain | wols, yes. After building, I made make package and then netpbminstall |
| 16:50.29 | wols | anabain: then check what libraries it installed and especially where |
| 16:50.33 | wols | also man ldd |
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| 16:50.58 | anabain | it's a script that puts everything in /usr/local/netpbm and runs ld |
| 16:51.37 | wols | anabain: ask netpbm or use debian packages (imho) |
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| 16:51.44 | wols | *netpbm people |
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| 16:52.16 | wols | and why anything would run "ld" is beyond me |
| 16:52.30 | DeFirence | DawnLight: ive changed from coldplay to dance hits :) |
| 16:52.46 | anabain | wols, ok. Debian packages are paleolithic, that's why I was trying the last version, which includes a de-skewing program for scanned text |
| 16:53.10 | DeFirence | and if anyone here is bored and wants to listen to some music, feel free to tune in to the test stream :) |
| 16:54.26 | kalleskaviar | Hi, I'm new to Debian. Is Sid, unstable and experimental the same branch ? |
| 16:54.39 | wols | sid is unstable |
| 16:54.46 | wols | experimental is yet something else |
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| 16:55.19 | kalleskaviar | Aha, thanks. |
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| 16:56.58 | ricosecada | Hi. I have been trying to get nvidia running on debian testing, but all the tutorials make use of nvidia-kernel-source. How do you guys install nvidia drivers for xorg? |
| 16:57.31 | wols | with nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:57.32 | grendal_prime | ok is it possible to set up rsync so that it monitors a dir and its sub directorys for change and then syncs those changes automatically? |
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| 16:57.54 | ricosecada | wols, how |
| 16:57.59 | wols | ricosecada: testing is not a distro without bugs. a missing package is currently such a bug |
| 16:58.09 | ricosecada | wols, ok thanks! |
| 16:58.19 | wols | ricosecada: you are supposed to know how to fix that yourself if you want to run testing, imho |
| 16:58.26 | grendal_prime | I need to mirror a drive basically and keep the s |
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| 16:58.50 | grendal_prime | econd drive current |
| 16:59.12 | howtoo_ | hmm, tried to apt-get install fglrx drivers, have made the kernel module, copied it to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/fglrx.ko && depmod -ae |
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| 16:59.32 | howtoo_ | when I modprobe the driver it says: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.21/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
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| 16:59.45 | howtoo_ | anybody who know a workaround to this? |
| 16:59.50 | wols | howtoo_: you aren't supposed to copy |
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| 17:00.03 | howtoo_ | the make script said so |
| 17:00.10 | wols | it did not |
| 17:00.25 | wols | you use module-assistant in debian. what "make script"? |
| 17:00.28 | HardDisk_WP | does Firefox support connection profiles? |
| 17:00.36 | HardDisk_WP | In my school I need a proxy |
| 17:00.38 | HardDisk_WP | at home not |
| 17:00.56 | HardDisk_WP | can I make me a button to switch proxy or do I have to do it manually forever? |
| 17:01.04 | howtoo_ | two sec, I'll pastebin |
| 17:01.11 | wols | HardDisk_WP: there are extensions |
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| 17:01.19 | wols | howtoo_: what fglrx deb packages did you install? |
| 17:01.37 | howtoo_ | http://www.pastebin.org/5948 |
| 17:01.42 | HardDisk_WP | wols, you know one off-hand? |
| 17:01.53 | howtoo_ | I installed fglrx-kernel-src |
| 17:01.59 | howtoo_ | and fglrx-driver |
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| 17:02.27 | HardDisk_WP | ugh, 2.6.24-RC1 43 mb. |
| 17:02.28 | subprime | yeah! thanks cahoot |
| 17:02.40 | HardDisk_WP | kernel src got pretty big^^ |
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| 17:02.55 | wols | !tell howtoo_ about fglrx oneliner |
| 17:03.19 | wols | howtoo_: I don't see any copying or such there. do you? |
| 17:03.31 | howtoo_ | yes I do |
| 17:03.48 | howtoo_ | line 34 and 35 |
| 17:03.49 | cahoot | subprime, the problem is actually part of /topic o #debian on oftc |
| 17:03.51 | kalleskaviar | grendal_prime, you mean like inotify ? |
| 17:04.05 | wols | howtoo_: see what dpkg your PMed you |
| 17:04.47 | wols | howtoo_: note how the gcc the kernel was made with and the compiler you compiled flgrx with must be the same version or bad things can happen |
| 17:05.17 | howtoo_ | yeah, I tried with same as kernel was compiled with |
| 17:05.26 | howtoo_ | same error |
| 17:05.38 | howtoo_ | tried with 3 different verisions |
| 17:05.45 | subprime | cahoot: well i could swear you were an #debian expert anyway ;) |
| 17:05.49 | wols | howtoo_: uname -a and modinfo fglrx.ko |
| 17:05.51 | howtoo_ | but it should be same as kernel ofc |
| 17:06.49 | howtoo_ | it's the same |
| 17:07.09 | howtoo_ | it's wierd.. maybe I'll just use an older driver |
| 17:08.44 | anabain | wols, it seems as if the non-working prog would be trying to use /usr/lib/libnetpbm.10.0, not /usr/local/netpbm/lib/libnetpbm.10.0 (the executable is at /usr/local/netpbm/bin). How can I change this behaviour? |
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| 17:09.20 | wols | compile statically |
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| 17:09.30 | anabain | ok |
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| 17:10.05 | wols | don't have outdated libs present, etc |
| 17:10.05 | KimHansen | What is the program called that helps setting up the debian/ directory with skeleton files for a new Debian package? |
| 17:10.10 | grendal_mobile | grrrr cell phone keeps ringing |
| 17:10.15 | stew | KimHansen: dh_make |
| 17:10.29 | KimHansen | stew: Thanks |
| 17:10.39 | waltz | how can I store an ISO9660 image on a hard disk and mount it as though it were a CD? |
| 17:10.45 | Nyle | thats why I don't answer it |
| 17:10.54 | Nyle | let them leave a message if its important |
| 17:11.03 | stew | waltz: mount -o loop /path/to/.iso /mountpoint |
| 17:11.04 | waltz | say I wanted to copy my Debian CDs to disk and mount them visa-vi hard drive |
| 17:11.11 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 17:11.23 | wols | waltz: dd the disk and loop mount it |
| 17:11.23 | waltz | stew: right, but, how to get the CD on the hard disk? |
| 17:11.24 | Nyle | waltz: using dd |
| 17:11.25 | stew | waltz: "cp /dev/cdrom /path/to.iso" will create an iso |
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| 17:11.35 | waltz | ok |
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| 17:11.46 | tralala | where is the UTC setting? |
| 17:11.53 | stew | tralala: /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:12.00 | wols | tralala: /etc/default/.. doh |
| 17:12.04 | tralala | :) |
| 17:12.05 | Nyle | waltz: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to.iso |
| 17:12.06 | tralala | thanks, stew |
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| 17:12.19 | waltz | Nyle, stew: thanks guys |
| 17:12.22 | Nyle | I actually did not know cp would do that as well |
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| 17:12.41 | Bakster` | elow |
| 17:12.42 | Ace2016 | it worked, seems everything is working |
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| 17:12.49 | stew | Nyle: yours and mine to the exact same thing but yours uses a less efficient block size |
| 17:12.51 | Ace2016 | might have been the laptop overheating causing lots of these errors |
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| 17:12.57 | evilbelgian | people, for a newbie to debian, which disks do i need to install |
| 17:13.12 | grendal_mobile | how do I register a nick on here again? |
| 17:13.14 | Hoxzer | netinstal |
| 17:13.16 | Hoxzer | CD |
| 17:13.18 | Nyle | stew: I did not know that, what exactly do you mean by less efficient? |
| 17:13.22 | Hoxzer | that's it if you have internet connection |
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| 17:13.24 | stew | grendal_mobile: /msg nickserv help register |
| 17:13.27 | esomnie | hello |
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| 17:13.35 | evilbelgian | i already have 4oro disks 1 - 6 |
| 17:13.37 | wubbla | hi! |
| 17:13.46 | maxamillion | evilbelgian: if you are just doing a standard desktop install and you don't want to do a net install (which is what i recommend) then you should only need disk 1 and 2 |
| 17:13.49 | stew | Nyle: yours only copy 512 bytes at a time. cp should use copy much larger blocks at a time |
| 17:13.52 | goldbond | does anyone know how i can divine my classpath from 'which java' --> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java |
| 17:13.56 | Hoxzer | evilbelgian: they are all useful it simply depends on what do you wanna install |
| 17:14.13 | stew | evilbelgian: that is planty, in general you should only need the first couple if that much |
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| 17:14.16 | Ace2016 | oh and anyone else having problems like the letters l o p 0 ; . and letters on the right side of the keyboard near enter and backspace turning into numbers, i tried in xorg and ended with with s4 when i tried to run su |
| 17:14.27 | stew | Ace2016: laptop? |
| 17:14.28 | Nyle | stew: why does it copy in blocks of 512 bytes |
| 17:14.30 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 17:14.40 | esomnie | i am running into a strange issue and have been having trouble debugging. i was hoping someone here may be able to give me a nudge in the right direction |
| 17:14.51 | Nyle | stew: is that the way informtion cds is stored? in chunks of 512 bytes? |
| 17:14.51 | wubbla | i want to install debian etch on a software raid1 root partition (using sda and sdb)... can anyone help me to correctly set up the partitions in debian-installer? |
| 17:14.52 | tralala | Ace2016, turn off your numlock |
| 17:14.55 | stew | Nyle: becuase that is the default blocksize, probably becuase this is the most common number of bytes per sector on a hard drive |
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| 17:15.14 | evilbelgian | I find it funny how with windows its one disk with nothing useful and debian its like, we have 14 disks but you might not want to install all of them :P |
| 17:15.23 | stew | Nyle: no, cds are a continuous sprial of bits. hard drives have 512 bytes sectors |
| 17:15.25 | Nyle | stew: so one could specify a block size to use with dd? |
| 17:15.26 | esomnie | when connecting to my debian server via ssh and http, the first time the connection is refused. the second time it works |
| 17:15.28 | wubbla | do i need to partition sdb exactly as sda?! |
| 17:15.33 | stew | Nyle: yes |
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| 17:15.51 | wubbla | or will this be done automatically in the RAID configuration "tool"? |
| 17:15.52 | Ace2016 | i was about to say that if i turn off my numlock after typing my password it starts working again, is this related to keyboard leds not working in xorg at all? |
| 17:15.53 | esomnie | i am assuming it would fail the first time for other protocols as well |
| 17:15.59 | JordiGH | Another day, another Debian install, another time to install blobs for wireless and ATI cards. |
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| 17:16.24 | tralala | Ace2016, this must be a setting of your desktop environment |
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| 17:16.38 | wubbla | please help me! |
| 17:16.45 | Merlintosh | how can I redirect traffic on port 80 (gateway 10.5.51.1) --> squid machine 2138 (10.5.60.7) |
| 17:16.53 | Merlintosh | any help ?? |
| 17:16.56 | Nyle | stew: so the difference is between the default setting regarding the block size? dd defaults to 512 always? or not? what number does cp default to? |
| 17:17.07 | Ace2016 | no i googled, and others seem to have lots their keyboard led function in xorg too, terminal is fine but not in xorg (or xgl for that matter) |
| 17:17.11 | xand | wubbla: you need an identically sized partition on each disk for the raid to go on |
| 17:17.13 | Merlintosh | anyone with good iptables experiance ? |
| 17:17.20 | Ace2016 | and in xgl i'm stuck on us english for some reason |
| 17:17.29 | tralala | Merlintosh, if you're trying to setup a transparent proxy redirecting the traffic won't be enough |
| 17:17.47 | JordiGH | Radeon Xpress 200M, too new for the radeon driver? |
| 17:17.53 | cahoot | Ace2016, xorg on sid? |
| 17:18.07 | Ace2016 | yup |
| 17:18.11 | Merlintosh | well I need it to be a transparent proxy on the internal network (any refs?) |
| 17:18.21 | cahoot | Ace2016, maybe this applies then: /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout |
| 17:18.32 | tralala | Merlintosh, there's info on the net on this topic |
| 17:19.00 | Merlintosh | most the traffic i found is for proxy on external network |
| 17:19.02 | xingu | Ace2016: I have something similar, my numlock/ capslock lights stay dim on sid/amd64. |
| 17:19.02 | esomnie | here is a sample session of me connecting via ssh. it shows the error and then succes |
| 17:19.11 | xingu | Ace2016: I touch type, it doesn't bother me. :) |
| 17:19.23 | Merlintosh | I got a mikrotik machine handeling the routing |
| 17:19.37 | esomnie | pastie: hi |
| 17:19.52 | xingu | cahoot: I suspect his issue is not that the shift/lock status doesn't track (because here, it does); just the actual led/lamps don't light. |
| 17:19.58 | esomnie | no pastie here? |
| 17:20.05 | Ronin | !paste |
| 17:20.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:20.19 | Ace2016 | i touch type too, but imagine your ~ suddenly turning to | or " turning to @ and # turning to ' |
| 17:20.19 | esomnie | dpkg: thanks |
| 17:20.19 | dpkg | esomnie: sure thing |
| 17:20.27 | JordiGH | esomnie: dpkg is a bot. |
| 17:20.30 | Merlintosh | any docs on transparent proxy using squid2.6 |
| 17:20.33 | cahoot | xingu, ok |
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| 17:20.45 | xingu | Ace2016: gb keyboard layout - my ~ wouldn't ever turn into a | :) |
| 17:20.56 | esomnie | i am talk to a bot:) at least he is responding somewhat:) |
| 17:21.06 | esomnie | or she i should say, maybe it |
| 17:21.32 | Ace2016 | i use the gb keyboard layout, but its turned to | |
| 17:21.35 | Ace2016 | Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property |
| 17:21.35 | Ace2016 | Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc105' layout - 'us' |
| 17:21.44 | tralala | Merlintosh, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html (the second hit on google) |
| 17:21.50 | Ace2016 | yea thats what setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout gb gave me |
| 17:22.02 | kalleskaviar | stew, huh ? i thought ISO9660 had a blocksize of 2352 bytes |
| 17:22.13 | Merlintosh | does it work on 2.6 tralala |
| 17:22.17 | Merlintosh | :S |
| 17:22.22 | wubbla | xand: thanks! i got it... |
| 17:23.01 | esomnie | here is the session i was referring to before: http://paste.debian.net/40635 |
| 17:23.03 | tralala | Merlintosh, I don't know |
| 17:23.09 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 17:23.29 | esomnie | hope someone has a sec to help. if not, i guess i can just chat with dpkg |
| 17:23.32 | stew | Nyle: it defaults to 4096 but only after tyring to figure out what an optimal size to use |
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| 17:23.54 | stew | kalleskaviar: i don't know, but the blocksize of the filesystem doesn't really matter, i'm talking about the storage media |
| 17:24.21 | kalleskaviar | stew, gotcha |
| 17:24.59 | terr_ | stew I found it! The gateway address was incorrect. Arrghh |
| 17:25.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | I could really use some help with a weird problem I have: |
| 17:25.10 | JordiGH | Any known problems with the fglrx oneliner in etch? Any horror stories of X getting mangled beyond recognition? Yes? No? |
| 17:25.13 | terr_ | stew I looked for that too and missed it. |
| 17:25.38 | JordiGH | Oh, and does it work with Beryl and/or Compiz fusion? |
| 17:25.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Something has changed in my laptop. The number keys don't work like usual, and the mouse moves strangely in a game, but normally in plain X |
| 17:25.46 | stew | terr_: gateway address doesnt' matter for two machiens on te same subnet |
| 17:25.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
| 17:26.12 | Nyle | I like networks |
| 17:26.17 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, sid? |
| 17:26.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | The up pointer starts Ksnapshot |
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| 17:26.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: Yes |
| 17:26.29 | debian | Hello |
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| 17:26.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: But I have a desktop also running Sid, and it doesn't suffer from the same weirdouts |
| 17:26.50 | debian | I'm using debian, how do I auto mount a harddrive? |
| 17:26.54 | JordiGH | Dark_Apostrophe: The desktop doesn't have laptop keys. :-) |
| 17:27.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | True |
| 17:27.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | But the mouse works like usual |
| 17:27.18 | tralala | debian, external usb? |
| 17:27.22 | debian | No |
| 17:27.23 | JordiGH | debian: What do you mean by "automount"? Is it an external USB hard drive? |
| 17:27.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:27.25 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 17:27.45 | debian | No, want it to mount ntfs, and ext 3 on an normal hdd |
| 17:27.53 | tralala | debian, man fstab |
| 17:28.01 | JordiGH | !ntfs mount |
| 17:28.02 | debian | ok |
| 17:28.09 | JordiGH | Er |
| 17:28.11 | JordiGH | !mount ntfs |
| 17:28.12 | dpkg | mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,umask=003 /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults,umask=003 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
| 17:28.12 | guillaume | how to copy and paste under eterm ? |
| 17:28.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | JordiGH, tralala: So what do I do? |
| 17:28.49 | tralala | no idear |
| 17:28.52 | debian | The harddirve doesn't show up in gparted, is it something wrong? |
| 17:28.53 | esomnie | is there some sort of log which will tell me why a connection is being refused? |
| 17:28.55 | JordiGH | Dark_Apostrophe: I can't help. I just try to make snarky comments. |
| 17:28.58 | abrotman | guillaume: highlight and then middle click |
| 17:29.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn. |
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| 17:29.25 | esomnie | or is there a way to determine if a connection is even being initiated the first time ssh tries to connect? |
| 17:29.27 | wandaa | would there happen to be any command line pdf readers? |
| 17:29.32 | cahoot | Dark_Apostrophe, try /msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout |
| 17:29.35 | wandaa | Or do I have to install xfce4 for that =( |
| 17:29.45 | guillaume | abrotman: pfff I'm silly sorry ;) didn't try that... |
| 17:29.46 | tralala | debian, see if it shows up in dmesg |
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| 17:30.01 | debian | dmesg? |
| 17:30.08 | stew | esomnie: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 17:30.29 | stew | esomnie: the log would be /var/log/auth.log ; but running sshd in debug mode is far more informative |
| 17:30.37 | debian | I'll try a restart! |
| 17:30.50 | xand | !connection refused |
| 17:30.50 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 17:31.00 | esomnie | stew: it is not only ssh though. this happens with http as well. is there a log for tcp/ip or something higher up the stack? |
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| 17:31.11 | stew | esomnie: no |
| 17:31.47 | stew | esomnie: you get literally "connection refused"? |
| 17:31.49 | michela | how do you reset the usb module? My etch box isn't recognising any devices anymore, even keyboard which works elsewhere |
| 17:31.59 | stew | esomnie: if so, its got to be a firewall |
| 17:32.10 | michela | btw I did try rebooting! |
| 17:32.21 | esomnie | stew: check this out http://paste.debian.net/40635 |
| 17:32.27 | tralala | michela, and it didn't help? |
| 17:32.36 | michela | no |
| 17:32.40 | esomnie | the first time i get a connection refused. the second time it connects |
| 17:32.40 | stew | esomnie: there is a firewall causing this |
| 17:32.48 | esomnie | no firewall on this machine |
| 17:32.59 | tralala | michela, paste the output of lsmod | grep [ou]hci to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 17:33.00 | stew | esomnie: some other firewall then |
| 17:33.14 | stew | !connection refused |
| 17:33.14 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 17:33.15 | esomnie | it is a xen image though. maybe it has something to do with that |
| 17:33.35 | esomnie | i am not sure if i have experienced this on dom0 |
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| 17:34.04 | minerale | EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 17:34.27 | guillaume | I obtain this message randomly at gnome boot : Process /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon exited with status 1. Reportbug for gnome ? |
| 17:34.29 | DeFirence | !tell debian about restart |
| 17:35.02 | michela | tralala, http://pastebin.com/m69a7bfc1 |
| 17:35.26 | JordiGH | Ubuntu asks you to restart if you install the nvidia blob. :-/ |
| 17:35.36 | stew | esomnie: maybe use tcpdump to figure out how far the syn gets and what machine the rejection comes from |
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| 17:35.37 | xand | needs to emulate windows |
| 17:35.39 | JordiGH | And not just X. Everything. |
| 17:35.43 | wandaa | would there happen to be any command line pdf readers? |
| 17:35.59 | JordiGH | wandaa: You want the pdf rendered into ASCII? |
| 17:36.10 | tralala | michela, dmesg? |
| 17:36.10 | esomnie | stew: good idea. i'll give that a try. |
| 17:36.16 | wandaa | well... yes |
| 17:36.29 | JordiGH | !info pstotext |
| 17:36.33 | dpkg | pstotext: (Extract text from PostScript and PDF files), section text, is optional. Version: 1.9-4 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 17:36.34 | wandaa | so I can read i from my laptop which doesn't have any graphics :P |
| 17:36.37 | esomnie | stew: it's just hard to reproduce. once i connect successfully. i can connect on the first try for a couple hours before it fails again |
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| 17:37.04 | JordiGH | wandaa: Let's hope the PDF isn't one of those where the entire page is one big image. |
| 17:37.05 | caneba | anyone get 'connection refused' from fres 4.0 installs when trying to login remote via ssh |
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| 17:37.06 | wandaa | apt-get install pstoext ? |
| 17:37.08 | caneba | ? |
| 17:37.16 | esomnie | stew: i can wait an hour or two and then try that to see where the connection refused is coming from |
| 17:37.17 | wandaa | JordiGH it isn't =) |
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| 17:37.19 | caneba | router is forwarding the port |
| 17:37.22 | michela | tralala, http://pastebin.com/m49520ff3 |
| 17:37.25 | wandaa | I got some reqs for my pdfs :;) |
| 17:37.29 | wandaa | its text |
| 17:37.34 | JordiGH | wandaa: "aptitutude install pstotext" is generally preferrable unless you've always been using apt-get. |
| 17:37.38 | caneba | I have two fresh installs at seperate locations now doing this |
| 17:37.46 | stew | esomnie: connection refused means that not only were you not able to establish a connection, but some machine inbetween you and the ssh service actually generated a packet back saying, "NO" |
| 17:37.56 | abrotman | caneba: is openssh-server installed ? |
| 17:38.00 | wandaa | what is the difference` |
| 17:38.02 | wandaa | ? :G |
| 17:38.08 | JordiGH | !why aptitude |
| 17:38.08 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 17:38.10 | wandaa | Im pretty new to linux in general... |
| 17:38.24 | ameyer | stew: or the ssh serviice isn't running |
| 17:38.33 | esomnie | stew: ok, that is helpful. maybe my colo has a firewall that is refusing the connection for some reason |
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| 17:38.48 | stew | ameyer: it is running. he's able to ssh on the second try without touching the remote server |
| 17:38.50 | caneba | abrotman: I just assumed it would be part of the ssh package |
| 17:38.50 | wandaa | well... I gotta go study :< |
| 17:38.53 | michela | tralala, nyle suggested I tried modprob usb-storage or something from lsmods, did that and got USB Mass Storage support registered but then still no new devices appeared |
| 17:38.53 | wandaa | Ill try that tomorrow ;) |
| 17:38.56 | tralala | michela, it seems that the device is detected on connect but cannot be initialized. Maybe it's dead |
| 17:38.56 | esomnie | ameyer: sshd is running as a daemon not inetd.conf |
| 17:39.02 | abrotman | caneba: dpkg -l openssh* .. is it there or not? |
| 17:39.03 | wandaa | bye... and thanks JordiGH |
| 17:39.06 | JordiGH | wandaa: Be grateful that you can study. Education is a right. |
| 17:39.16 | caneba | abrotman: I am installing it now |
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| 17:39.18 | debian | Deference: It is my god damn ccomputer that has problems recongnizing my ide hdd! |
| 17:39.20 | caneba | I will let you know if it werks |
| 17:39.20 | wandaa | ;) |
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| 17:39.23 | wandaa | ye... what ever :P |
| 17:39.27 | donny | what package includes the smbmount command? |
| 17:39.28 | wandaa | Im off to french books |
| 17:39.30 | michela | tralala, it's ALL my devices though, and I'm shuttling them back and forth to other machines, they still work - keyboard, drive, stick.. |
| 17:39.30 | wandaa | bye |
| 17:39.36 | ameyer | well, if sshd were to crash and you were to try to ssh in, you'd get "connection refused" |
| 17:39.53 | hark_ | donny: smbfs /msg dpkg search |
| 17:39.57 | stew | ameyer: he's able to ssh successfully if he retries immediately |
| 17:39.59 | tralala | michela, tried all the usb ports on this machine? |
| 17:40.05 | donny | hark_: thanks |
| 17:40.07 | kalleskaviar | actually that was an interesting question, wonder if someone has hacked together a framebuffer pdf reader ? Shouldn't be that hard to do. |
| 17:40.08 | ameyer | or otherwise fail to continue to run |
| 17:40.12 | caneba | abrotman: that was it ... 1000 thanks |
| 17:40.19 | abrotman | caneba: enjoy |
| 17:40.19 | ameyer | erm, listen |
| 17:40.26 | caneba | heh sooo much |
| 17:40.27 | debian | How does an encrypted linux partition work? |
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| 17:40.33 | ameyer | stew: yeah, that suggests sshd isn't dying |
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| 17:40.39 | esomnie | ameyer: why would the second attempt succeed then. that is what i can't figure out |
| 17:40.53 | ameyer | that he's getting Comcast'd or something |
| 17:40.55 | esomnie | thanks for the help. i'll get some more info |
| 17:41.04 | michela | tralala, no but will do now... tried a few already |
| 17:41.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 17:41.14 | stew | esomnie: does it happen with all ssh hosts? or just this one? |
| 17:41.19 | esomnie | it is helpful that there are only 2 reasons i would get connection refused. i thought there were more possiblities |
| 17:41.33 | esomnie | stew: i've seen it on a couple |
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| 17:41.47 | debian | What wireless software works well for debian? |
| 17:41.49 | ameyer | sounds like a f-ed up firewall somewhere |
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| 17:42.22 | esomnie | the colo i am at is somewhat incompetent so I wouldn't be surprised if it was theirs |
| 17:43.28 | esomnie | stew: i just reproduced on another vm we have. so it is on more than one host |
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| 17:43.51 | debian | What is compiz/beryl named in the debian respitories? |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | there is no beryl |
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| 17:44.10 | debian | Why not? I like beryl! |
| 17:44.13 | JordiGH | debian: Not in the repos due to geekpower. |
| 17:44.17 | grub | debian, beryl is dead |
| 17:44.20 | abrotman | debian: beryl is dead |
| 17:44.23 | abrotman | upstream too |
| 17:44.31 | JordiGH | debian: There are unofficial Beryl repos compiled for etch. |
| 17:44.40 | JordiGH | debian: I use them without problems, but ymmv. |
| 17:44.45 | grub | debhelper, compiz-fusion.org iirc |
| 17:44.46 | abrotman | !info compiz etch |
| 17:44.47 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 17:44.48 | debian | Should I use compiz? |
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| 17:44.51 | grub | *debian^ |
| 17:44.54 | amphi | ditto compiz-fusion |
| 17:45.00 | JordiGH | debian: It's called "Compiz Fusion". |
| 17:45.13 | JordiGH | amphi: compiz fusion is unofficially packaged for etch too? |
| 17:45.15 | amphi | debian: that's a very old version |
| 17:45.36 | grub | JordiGH, yes |
| 17:45.38 | amphi | JordiGH: yes, but without ccsm - etch's pygtk is too old |
| 17:45.41 | michela | tralala, thanks, one worked... but fdisk -l says "Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table" - can't you read 'Linux formatting' done on Mac Os X.. dol.. |
| 17:45.43 | debian | It couldn't find the package |
| 17:46.00 | JordiGH | And how is compiz fusion coming along with integrating all the Beryl plugins? |
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| 17:46.08 | wubbla | argh... |
| 17:46.11 | xand | that's a silly nick to have in here |
| 17:46.13 | abrotman | !tell root1 about root |
| 17:46.19 | wubbla | i'm getting a GRUB Error 17.... |
| 17:46.23 | wubbla | what does that mean? |
| 17:46.30 | amphi | debian: unofficial packages for stable, testing, and sid are at http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
| 17:46.40 | amphi | debian: the repository of shame ;) |
| 17:46.52 | debian | How do I add respitories? |
| 17:46.57 | tralala | michela, I'm affraid that one of your usb controllers has gone |
| 17:47.09 | xand | you don't know how to add repositories to yourself? :P |
| 17:47.19 | JordiGH | wubbla: The grub error numbers are documented in the grub webpage... 17 means that grub can't find the partition where grub is installed, iirc. |
| 17:47.44 | debian | deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main |
| 17:47.57 | JordiGH | wubbla: http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html |
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| 17:48.22 | amphi | JordiGH: seems to be going ok - compiz is _much_ faster than beryl was, on my old and feeble card |
| 17:48.22 | wubbla | JordiGH: hmm... shouldn't debian etch be able to boot from a software RAID1 partition? |
| 17:48.22 | michela | tralala, oh well, at least one port still works! |
| 17:48.33 | drizzd | my xmodmap settings seem to get overridden after a while. Any ideas? |
| 17:48.35 | debian | I hate my debian box!!! ARGH! |
| 17:48.41 | JordiGH | wubbla: I know nothing of RAID. Ask someone else. |
| 17:48.49 | amphi | debian: why do you want beryl? it's old and smelly |
| 17:49.07 | debian | I want cubey |
| 17:49.09 | JordiGH | amphi: I may make the switch, then. |
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| 17:50.07 | amphi | JordiGH: it works well here, on my old mobility radeon 7500 32MB |
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| 17:50.51 | JordiGH | Hm, I may recommend a friend for whom beryl didn't work to try compiz fusion, then. |
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| 17:51.20 | guillaume | JordiGH: yes I change for it too and get better results under nvidia |
| 17:51.21 | tralala | michela, there is a small chance that something isn't properly initialized by the bios. Try complete shutdown (from the wall socket) |
| 17:51.21 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys |
| 17:51.26 | JordiGH | Well, compiz fusion certainly has a pretty logo. |
| 17:51.43 | debian | Is it safe to download updates from unofficial respitories? |
| 17:51.48 | Drk_Guy | How can i add more resolutions to the list |
| 17:51.52 | JordiGH | guillaume: Impressive, especially since last I asked, the Compiz/Beryl devs didn't think too highly of the nvidia blob. :-) |
| 17:52.00 | Drk_Guy | !resolution |
| 17:52.00 | dpkg | i guess resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 17:52.02 | michela | tralala, will do. |
| 17:52.16 | JordiGH | debian: Is it safe to accept gratis candy from strangers in the street? |
| 17:52.26 | tralala | michela, how did the ports stop working? Have you been doing nasty things to them? |
| 17:52.33 | debian | gratis is a norsk ord |
| 17:52.39 | michela | no idea... :-| |
| 17:52.43 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, to run a scritp at boot I just have to add it to runlevel 6 right? because yesterday I added the script with the defaults option and when my system boots the script is executed two times |
| 17:52.45 | JordiGH | debian: gratis is Latin. |
| 17:52.55 | debian | Are you Norsk? |
| 17:53.00 | michela | haven't plugged in keyboard for ages, only noticed prob when bought a external usb2 drive today |
| 17:53.05 | simonrvn | !dict gratis |
| 17:53.06 | JordiGH | debian: No, I'm Mexican. |
| 17:53.07 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gratis' (2): costing nothing; "complimentary tickets" ;; without payment; "I'll give you this gratis" . |
| 17:53.12 | simonrvn | bah |
| 17:53.33 | debian | But it is Norwegian! |
| 17:53.34 | simonrvn | From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]: Gratis \Gra"tis\ (gr[a^]"t[i^]s or gr[=a]"t[i^]s), adv. [L., |
| 17:53.35 | Drk_Guy | Nope |
| 17:53.47 | Drk_Guy | How can i add another resolution to the X's list? |
| 17:53.49 | simonrvn | see that little L. there? |
| 17:53.58 | JordiGH | debian: It's also French, Spanish, Romanian, and English. |
| 17:54.02 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.07 | guillaume | JordiGH: get sensible difference since I uprgrade to 100.14.19 nvidia driver with glx |
| 17:54.09 | debian | Drk_Guy: edit the file, and add the resoulution! |
| 17:54.09 | michela | It should be possible to mount a Mac OS X created Linux file system on debian shouldn't it? Mine is saying "Can't find an ext2 filesystem" |
| 17:54.14 | amphi | simonrvn: Lithuanian? |
| 17:54.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 17:54.23 | simonrvn | Latin |
| 17:54.23 | JordiGH | guillaume: I use free drivers. Hooray. :-) |
| 17:54.38 | Drk_Guy | debian: I think there a re special txt strings |
| 17:54.55 | simonrvn | Lithuanian would be Lt. IIRC |
| 17:55.00 | JordiGH | guillaume: except when I'm installing Debian lappies. |
| 17:55.13 | guillaume | JordiGH: i'm under laptop |
| 17:55.29 | simonrvn | yeh, lt |
| 17:55.41 | JordiGH | guillaume: My Debian lab is using the free radeon drivers with Beryl. I'll try it with Compiz fusion today. :-) |
| 17:55.43 | amphi | guillaume: I too - using the xorg radeon driver - no blobs on me ;) |
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| 17:56.20 | gonzaloaf_work | to what runlevels do I have to add a script in order to be executed every time at bootup? |
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| 17:56.39 | amphi | JordiGH: what card do you have there? |
| 17:56.53 | JordiGH | amphi: Actually, right now I'm on an Intel chipset. |
| 17:57.11 | JordiGH | amphi: The server has Intel. 8 terminals with some radeon card. |
| 17:57.15 | amphi | JordiGH: that should run CoFu nicely |
| 17:57.39 | JordiGH | Yeah, the server is running Beryl right now. :-) |
| 17:57.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any Debian packages of HAL 0.5.10-2? |
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| 17:58.34 | SexyKen | Hey all, is bind supposed to be in the apt-get repositories? |
| 17:58.38 | amphi | JordiGH: nice patch for you yesterday, "Added a fix for broken glProgramEnvParameter4f under AIGLX with indirect rendering. Fixes: blur,reflection & water for intel & fglrx." |
| 17:58.39 | debian | Beryl won't give me kubey! |
| 17:58.50 | guillaume | I had a question about compiz, how does it manage desktop when there's more than 4 virtual desktop ? |
| 17:58.51 | stew | SexyKen: yes, bind9 |
| 17:58.57 | JordiGH | amphi: matter of fact, desktop pimping: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/manchego.jpg |
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| 17:59.17 | tarzeau | anyone wants to play some bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 17:59.18 | SexyKen | Ahh, thanks Stew -- I take it this is the bind without sql support? |
| 17:59.37 | amphi | JordiGH: "The requested URL /~jordi/piccies/manchego.jpg was not found on this server." |
| 17:59.40 | JordiGH | tarzeau: More games? Have you packaged it yet? |
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| 17:59.46 | Ronin | now thats pimped up JordiGH ;) |
| 17:59.47 | stew | SexyKen: yes |
| 17:59.50 | JordiGH | amphi, oops, sorry, png |
| 17:59.56 | JordiGH | http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/manchego.png |
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| 18:00.06 | tarzeau | JordiGH: tried funguloids or sauerbraten yet? kq? mazeofgalious? bouncy? bloboats? brutalchess? |
| 18:00.16 | debian | Beryl made it work like crap, and want drivers |
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| 18:00.45 | JordiGH | tarzeau: sauerbraten? That one has non-free data, right? |
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| 18:01.03 | tarzeau | JordiGH: the packages are in non-free yes, but it also has free data |
| 18:01.04 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Actually, right now I'm playing the old Dragon Warrior 4 rom with fceu. :P |
| 18:01.10 | amphi | JordiGH: here's a silly old ss of the cube, when I used to use it, http://picpaste.com/ss-cube-rotation03.png |
| 18:01.22 | debian | can I swap betwen non x and x without leaving irc? |
| 18:01.30 | tarzeau | JordiGH: bub-n-bros is more fun: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/bubnbros/bubtoomuch2full.png |
| 18:01.48 | tralala | debian, sure if you use irssi+screen |
| 18:01.51 | JordiGH | Btw, why does ksnapshot use png for desktop snapshots? Isn't that kinda dumb since it's not going to be vector graphics? |
| 18:01.54 | tarzeau | i mean TEN dragons on a 600x400 pixel screen, that's crazy! |
| 18:01.55 | debian | wota? |
| 18:02.10 | tarzeau | JordiGH: jpg is lossy |
| 18:02.11 | JordiGH | debian: only if you run irssi in a tty. |
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| 18:02.14 | debian | to install nvidia drivers, inint 1? |
| 18:02.25 | debian | or inint 3? |
| 18:02.31 | JordiGH | amphi: Is that Emacs you're running? |
| 18:02.48 | amphi | JordiGH: irssi |
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| 18:03.00 | JordiGH | amphi: Aw. |
| 18:03.01 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, I added a script 'myscript' to /etc/init.d then I did '#update-rc.d myscript defaults', now the scripr executes twice at boot, why? |
| 18:03.19 | JordiGH | Admittedly, IRCing from Emacs is too hardcore even for me. I use xchat. |
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| 18:03.29 | amphi | JordiGH: I run compiz as a standalone wm here, a dropin replacement for openbox ;) |
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| 18:03.41 | esomnie2 | so, i used wire shark to capture the packets |
| 18:03.49 | ameyer | amphi: that just seems wrong |
| 18:04.31 | _DustyBin | how do you change the resolution of the POST ? |
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| 18:04.46 | amphi | ameyer: eh? |
| 18:05.00 | amphi | ameyer: it uses less cpu than openbox ;) |
| 18:05.00 | esomnie2 | what does a connection refused packet look like? is it in the tcp headers? or ip? |
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| 18:05.17 | ameyer | amphi: and probably 10x the RAM |
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| 18:05.29 | tralala | esomnie2, icmp |
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| 18:05.49 | amphi | JordiGH: I find wall is better than the cube, http://picpaste.com/ss-lyap-wall.png |
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| 18:06.04 | SexyKen | stew: Maybe you know what this means: Oct 25 14:05:11 redirect kernel: process `named' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT |
| 18:06.05 | JordiGH | amphi: allows more than 4 desktops? |
| 18:06.20 | amphi | JordiGH: sure |
| 18:06.20 | ameyer | (ok, I pulled that number out of my (censored), but it has to use more RAM) |
| 18:06.33 | JordiGH | Ah, the Rectal Extraction Method strikes again. |
| 18:06.44 | ameyer | tralala: I actually thought there was a TCP rst flag |
| 18:07.03 | ameyer | which is how Comcrap does their bittorrent filtering |
| 18:07.12 | amphi | JordiGH: you can have more than 4 sides to the prism (misnamed cube ;) |
| 18:07.14 | [nitro] | i wonder if exits some command in Debian to reset all connections connected to my debian server .. i need for my apache web connections .. |
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| 18:07.39 | tralala | ameyer, could be... i'm not so sure |
| 18:07.59 | JordiGH | amphi: Only platonic solids allowed? |
| 18:08.00 | tralala | but icmp is more likely |
| 18:08.07 | amphi | ameyer: I'm using CoFu from git, and something leaks memory like nobody's business, so yes ;) |
| 18:08.27 | ameyer | [nitro]: you could try ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 (not recommended unless you have physical access to clean up the damage if it doesn't work as planned) |
| 18:08.29 | amphi | JordiGH: just prisms or a planar arrangement |
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| 18:08.42 | JordiGH | amphi: Btw, wtf is that thing with the zillions of tabs? |
| 18:08.52 | amphi | JordiGH: iceweasek |
| 18:08.55 | ameyer | if you do it in screen as root, it should work |
| 18:08.58 | amphi | er, iceweasel |
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| 18:09.01 | SexyKen | Anyone have any ideas of how I can continue to use this version of named, but correct this error??? Oct 25 14:05:11 redirect kernel: process `named' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT |
| 18:09.01 | michela | I created a primary partition on etch using cfdisk of type 'Linux' What type should this correspond to in the mount -t syntax? ext and ext2 not working |
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| 18:09.10 | JordiGH | amphi: Some extension to put extra tabs in newlines instead of scrolling off to the right? |
| 18:09.30 | JordiGH | Verily, tabbed browsing is the mindless channel surfing of the new millenium. |
| 18:09.34 | tralala | michela, you need to create a filesystem on that partition before using it |
| 18:09.39 | [nitro] | this solution i know . but isnt maybe possbile with iptables or something else to say i close all connections and go on from fresh ??? |
| 18:09.41 | amphi | JordiGH: tabmix or some such? it's been a while since I looked at it |
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| 18:10.20 | John_C | Hi everybody |
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| 18:10.32 | JordiGH | !greet John_C |
| 18:10.32 | dpkg | Welcome, John_C |
| 18:11.15 | John_C | I have a question about ssh and scp: I would like to get a file from another computer, but I can only access it by ssh through a third computer |
| 18:11.20 | michela | dol! thanks :-| |
| 18:11.28 | John_C | (my computer -> a 'door' server -> my other computer) |
| 18:11.44 | tralala | !dol |
| 18:11.59 | tralala | hrm... what's dol? |
| 18:12.02 | John_C | Is it possible to do scp without saving the file in the "door" server (which I can't do because I don't have any space at all) |
| 18:12.26 | JordiGH | John_C: Move it to the door server first. Then get it with either scp or sftp. |
| 18:12.41 | michela | I always said DOL! instead of Doh! when The Simpsons started but I guess it stands for Doh! out loud! [;-) |
| 18:12.52 | John_C | JordiGH: I can't do that... I haven't any space ther |
| 18:12.57 | tralala | heh :) |
| 18:12.58 | JordiGH | John_C: Hm, try installing sftp on your computer and from the other computer sftping into the local computer. |
| 18:13.17 | JordiGH | ssh door; ssh other; sftp home |
| 18:13.55 | guillaume | how can I easyly redirect a local port to another local port on a debian |
| 18:14.00 | John_C | JordiGH: but for this I would have to give this computer incoming access in the router? |
| 18:14.14 | John_C | I can't do that, I don't have access to the router or anything |
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| 18:14.37 | JordiGH | John_C: Meh, send me the file and I'll put it up somewhere you can wget it from. :-) |
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| 18:15.06 | John_C | JordiGH: thank you but I need to do it very often... |
| 18:15.31 | John_C | my objective would be to be able to synchronize two directories with unison, in fact... |
| 18:15.31 | JordiGH | John_C: How big is the file? Could you break it up and send it chunks through door? |
| 18:15.53 | John_C | JordiGH: I'm afraid not, I have not a byte of space in the door server |
| 18:16.01 | John_C | by the way, are you catalan? |
| 18:16.11 | JordiGH | Just by ancestry. |
| 18:16.48 | John_C | ah ok |
| 18:17.03 | terr_ | does anyone here know what the cpg field in disklabel is? |
| 18:17.03 | John_C | I thing my problem does not have a nice solution... |
| 18:17.16 | John_C | *think |
| 18:17.18 | JordiGH | I take it you can't redirect ports through door either... That requires root access, iirc. |
| 18:17.32 | John_C | nope |
| 18:17.46 | John_C | in the door I can do few things apart from ssh... |
| 18:18.11 | JordiGH | How can you not have access to your home router? :-/ |
| 18:18.25 | John_C | JordiGH: because it is not my home... |
| 18:18.31 | John_C | I live in a residence |
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| 18:18.59 | JordiGH | Are you sure port 22 isn't usable/ |
| 18:19.00 | JordiGH | ? |
| 18:19.16 | esomnie2 | stew: i am looking at the dump of the traffic. what should i be looking for. i don't fully understand the dump |
| 18:19.30 | John_C | JordiGH: I can not stablish a connection from outside to my port 22... |
| 18:19.34 | JordiGH | John_C: Or maybe there is a solution: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html |
| 18:19.39 | John_C | of course I can use it for connections |
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| 18:19.55 | esomnie2 | stew: it looks like the icmp connection refused packet is coming form my gateway |
| 18:19.55 | John_C | ah I'll have a look |
| 18:19.59 | JordiGH | John_C: I forgot that you can redirect high number ports without being root. |
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| 18:20.14 | John_C | oh nice then |
| 18:20.18 | John_C | I will look to that |
| 18:20.22 | John_C | thank you very much! |
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| 18:22.04 | JordiGH | Let me know if it works... I had to do a similar dance once, a long time ago, in order to be able to play on the wesnoth multiplayer servers from school. :-) |
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| 18:24.18 | John_C | JordiGH: mm I'm afraid it does not |
| 18:24.32 | John_C | Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal. |
| 18:24.33 | John_C | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 18:24.58 | John_C | mmm |
| 18:25.05 | John_C | I think there is a solution |
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| 18:25.30 | aguaithefreak | any idea to "down-grade" back to testing? |
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| 18:25.40 | JordiGH | !downgrade |
| 18:25.40 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 18:25.48 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 18:26.03 | DukeDrake | can I have the look and feel of kubuntu for my debian? |
| 18:26.17 | aguaithefreak | I lost my aptitude with unstable? |
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| 18:26.45 | John_C | JordiGH: It works! |
| 18:26.53 | John_C | JordiGH: Thank you very much! |
| 18:27.00 | JordiGH | John_C: What was the modification? |
| 18:27.42 | John_C | in .bashrc in the "door" I had a command that executed a ssh to my other server |
| 18:27.44 | John_C | i just removed it |
| 18:27.59 | DukeDrake | ? o.o |
| 18:28.25 | JordiGH | DukeDrake: You can try installing the Kubuntu look and feel packages in Debian, but this is probably a bad idea. |
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| 18:29.14 | JordiGH | DukeDrake: It may be a better idea to get the Kubuntu look and feel packages, extracting them manually, and use the wallpapers and icon themes found therein. |
| 18:29.19 | DukeDrake | I see =) |
| 18:29.30 | DukeDrake | What windows manager would I need? |
| 18:29.34 | DukeDrake | KDE? |
| 18:29.34 | JordiGH | kde |
| 18:29.39 | DukeDrake | fine =) |
| 18:29.59 | JordiGH | The Kubuntu theme is a bit bland for my taste, but to each their own. ;-) |
| 18:30.10 | aguaithefreak | dpkg: thx |
| 18:30.10 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 18:30.28 | aguaithefreak | dpkg: thanks |
| 18:30.29 | dpkg | aguaithefreak: pas de quoi |
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| 18:30.58 | techbie | dpkg:what are you |
| 18:30.58 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 18:31.49 | Janni | Hello. |
| 18:31.53 | zoredache | when you choose 'encrypted lvm' during the install, what type of encryption is used for the lvm partion? Is that luks, or something else? |
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| 18:31.55 | HardDisk_WP | does the linux kernel project have a bugtracker? |
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| 18:32.04 | HardDisk_WP | selfmade 2.6.24-rc1 won't compile here |
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| 18:32.11 | DukeDrake | JordiGH: it's actually not for myself |
| 18:32.11 | Azx | how can i get the exact nice level of all running processes |
| 18:32.38 | DukeDrake | pal wants to install kubuntu and w2k, and I'm trying to convince him to prefer debian %) |
| 18:33.04 | Janni | Cany anyone tell me how to bind a command to a key? This should happen system-wide. In my case, I want to bind the "hibernate" command to the standby-key and this should apply to any possible user who logs on the machine. |
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| 18:33.35 | JordiGH | DukeDrake: Are you going to be adminning your pal's computer? Debian is nice and dandy, but it does take a bit more adminning than Ubuntu, which I'll happily do myself, but to everyone else I just tell, "get Ubuntu". |
| 18:33.40 | Ace2016 | hi all i'm back |
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| 18:33.55 | drizzd | HardDisk_WP: I think the custom is to simply post bugs to the kernel mailing list |
| 18:33.59 | Ace2016 | and its all fixed ~ and " !"$T() and all my keyboard letters are just where they should be |
| 18:34.03 | JordiGH | zoredache: luks, yes |
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| 18:34.22 | DukeDrake | JordiGH: oh, I see ... actually I had only very little to admin on my own debian. Except perhapts for intalling X >.> |
| 18:34.28 | JordiGH | zoredache: My decryption passwords are usually streams of 25 random ascii characters. :P |
| 18:34.40 | parsek_77 | I am running my ssh server on port 7717 and it is forward through my router but I can not connect from outside. I don't have anything on my etc/hosts.deny alllow. what might be the problem? |
| 18:35.17 | JordiGH | DukeDrake: At some point, your friend is going to run across a problem with Debian he can't solve and will come to you for help. Probably related to some non-free crap. ;-) |
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| 18:35.33 | Ace2016 | wols: remember i moved my 11GB / from my desktop to my laptop, turns out what fixed xgl was not that but something else i edited or deleted or messed with to make that fit into this desktop but running xgl from /opt/ubuntu/usr/bin/xgl messed up the links it was looking for which messed up the keyboard |
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| 18:35.47 | marinka | hey everyone |
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| 18:36.02 | SexyKen | Do you guys think I should create bind with multi threaded in a dual cpu system? |
| 18:36.02 | Ace2016 | oh yea quick tip, if you want xgl, just grab ubuntu xgl git 7.2 deb |
| 18:36.12 | marinka | i just got an ipod touch and all the syncing difficulties aside, i cannot get it to even charge on my system |
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| 18:36.30 | DukeDrake | JordiGH: there's such a thing as non-free crap? ;) ... lucky me I can stick to apt-get %) |
| 18:36.31 | marinka | i have two other systems that all charge it fine |
| 18:36.48 | JordiGH | DukeDrake: Yeah, like binary blobs or media codecs. |
| 18:37.03 | marinka | if i run a live cd on mine, the live cd charges it fine, so i guess it is a kernel thing |
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| 18:37.22 | Ace2016 | is an ipod touch an iphone without the phone part? |
| 18:37.27 | marinka | does anyone know what i need to enable in kernel to allow for charging |
| 18:37.33 | marinka | yes |
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| 18:37.38 | JordiGH | DukeDrake: A friend of mine went through 4 wireless card until she could found one with a ralink chipset that worked on her Debian lappy. She was remarkably determined, though. |
| 18:37.41 | Tramp | parsek_77: run ssh -vv and check the output. Make sure your forward is working (tcpdump on the server) |
| 18:37.46 | JordiGH | 4 wireless cards |
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| 18:38.38 | JordiGH | She could find one. Sheesh, my copyeditting skills today leave much to be desired. |
| 18:38.48 | esomnie | i am using tcpdump -i eth1 icmp to see where the connection refused error is coming from |
| 18:39.06 | marinka | i tried looking at the differences in kernel configs but found nothing easily detectable |
| 18:39.07 | esomnie | it doesn't seem to output anything when a connection is refused though |
| 18:39.39 | esomnie | is there something with the options for the tcpdump command? |
| 18:39.52 | marinka | anything special needed for USB charging? i dont think i ever used my usb to just charge things so maybe it never worked |
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| 18:40.46 | zoredache | JordiGH: sorry, I had gotten interupted. When I did a lvm encrypted install, when I do a cryptsetup isLuks against the lvm partition it tells me it isn't a partition. Is there a way through the installer to setup a root luks partition without using lvm? I have been looking for stuff on google, but I am coming up empty |
| 18:41.10 | marinka | anybody with ipod touch charging from USB? |
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| 18:41.29 | JordiGH | zoredache: Sorry, no clue. I just went with what the installer did by default after wiping my disk. |
| 18:41.47 | Tramp | esomnie: I may have missed something, but when you get "connection refused" I suppose it is a TCP-Reset, meaning there is no listener at the other end. |
| 18:42.21 | Azx | anyway pam can ask for a new password if it sees the password has expired in shadow file |
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| 18:43.00 | esomnie | Tramp: you know of a way to filter tcpdump to only show me those packets? |
| 18:43.14 | DukeDrake | JordiGH: luckily I did not have to bother with WLAN cards yet =) |
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| 18:44.21 | Janni | Hmm, I'm irritated. I can't find information on how to simply bind a key to some command on system level (not X or Debian, etc.) |
| 18:44.38 | Janni | If anybody knows s.th. I'd be grateful for just a hint, just a keyboard |
| 18:44.46 | Janni | "hint" does NOT include "RTFM" |
| 18:44.59 | Janni | s/keyboard/keyword |
| 18:45.04 | HardDisk_WP | how do I backport code (in this case the snd-hda-intel module) from .24-rc1 to kernel .23? |
| 18:45.05 | Janni | (stupid!) |
| 18:45.09 | HardDisk_WP | just copy the code? |
| 18:45.19 | HardDisk_WP | or do better ways exist? |
| 18:45.31 | JordiGH | DukeDrake: I'm trying to get a wireless card working right now. :-( |
| 18:45.39 | zoredache | esomnie: tcpdump -i eth1 tcp[13] == 4 -- to show resets I beleive, not guaranteed though |
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| 18:46.55 | stew | Janni: try xbindkeys |
| 18:47.11 | DukeDrake | JordiGH: poor pal =) |
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| 18:47.24 | Layer8_ | hi there! |
| 18:47.28 | JordiGH | There's always so much contradictory information when you look for information on a specific wireless card. |
| 18:47.35 | Layer8_ | need some help on pluggable auth modules |
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| 18:47.48 | Janni | stew: I was saying "not in X", but on system level. |
| 18:47.50 | eth01 | how can I install firefox latest? aptitude install firefox? |
| 18:47.51 | JordiGH | I can't wait for Theo De Raadt's campaiging to pay off and this wireless driver crap becomes a thing of the past. |
| 18:47.55 | esomnie | zoredache: close, here is what worked |
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| 18:47.57 | JordiGH | eth01: Yes. |
| 18:48.05 | esomnie | tcpdump -i en1 "tcp[13] & 4 == 4" |
| 18:48.17 | JordiGH | eth01: Note it's been renamed to Iceweasel in Debian, but if you attempt to install Firefox, you'll get Iceweasel. |
| 18:48.21 | Janni | stew: with which I mean, it should apply to any user that logs onto the system. |
| 18:48.27 | parsek_77 | Tramp: how can I check the forwarding port is working for ssh? |
| 18:48.35 | eth01 | ah, howcome? |
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| 18:48.50 | zoredache | parsek_77: netstat -l usually will show you if the listening port got created |
| 18:48.51 | JordiGH | eth01: Mozilla didn't want us to use the name anymore. |
| 18:48.56 | Tramp | parsek_77: tcpdump on the server and check if you see packets |
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| 18:49.14 | JordiGH | eth01: There's drama in the Iceweasel bug tracking page, but it's not all that interesting. |
| 18:49.15 | eth01 | ok, np ty. |
| 18:49.25 | Layer8_ | is there noone who knows about PAM?! |
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| 18:49.47 | kalleskaviar | Layer8_, any secific problem with PAM ? |
| 18:50.13 | parsek_77 | zoredache: am i going to do the netstat from the server machine? |
| 18:50.13 | stew | Janni: you want to map a single key? or multiple keys? |
| 18:50.55 | Tramp | esomnie: tcpdump -ni eth1 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-rst) !=0' |
| 18:51.02 | zoredache | parsek_77: it depends on how you are forwarding ports... if you forwarding 'local' ports from your client to the server, then you would want to do a netstat on the client |
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| 18:51.18 | parsek_77 | tcp6 0tcp6 0 0 *:7717 *:* LISTEN |
| 18:51.22 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: yes. I authenticate against winbind whith offline auth support...this all works...but if I do a offline login, the system doesnt seem to know my username...if I try to do a sudo there is an error "user not known to the underlying auth module" |
| 18:51.22 | parsek_77 | I got this |
| 18:51.42 | parsek_77 | zoredache: I am forwarding at the router |
| 18:51.46 | Tramp | parsek_77: I told you to tcpdump on the server, then connect to see if the forwarding is working on the router |
| 18:52.00 | parsek_77 | Tramp: how can I do that? |
| 18:52.02 | kalleskaviar | Layer8_, does the auth log give any more specific information ? |
| 18:52.03 | marinka | i just got an ipod touch and all the syncing difficulties aside, i cannot get it to even charge on my system. is there anything special i need to enable in kernel, cause many other linux systems do charge it fine, just not mine. i have a custom compiled kernel. |
| 18:52.17 | esomnie | Tramp: yes, that worked |
| 18:52.19 | zoredache | parsek_77: tcp6 only? I have had problems with ssh port forwarding when ipv6 is enabled... If you don't need it, you might consider disabling it |
| 18:52.24 | Tramp | zoredache: He is not port-forwarding within sshd (-L, -R). |
| 18:52.33 | parsek_77 | zoredache: how? |
| 18:52.36 | dondelelcaro | marinka: do you have whatever usb port you're plugging it into enabled? |
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| 18:53.19 | Janni | stew: In this case a single key would be sufficient. |
| 18:53.20 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: no it doesn't...ok, I can see that the pam_unix and pam_winbind fail...but nothing about the pam_ccreds...as user I get a "you have been logged in using cached creds" |
| 18:53.21 | Tramp | parsek_77: tcpdump -n tcp port 7717, |
| 18:53.41 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: so auth seems to work...but why doesn't the system know my name? |
| 18:53.42 | Janni | stew: But I doubt a solution for a single key wouldn't be applicable to multiple keys. |
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| 18:53.44 | stew | Janni: the only think i could think of would be to use the kbrequest in inittab |
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| 18:53.51 | zoredache | wait, are you trying to use ssh to tunnel things or are you trying to setup a nat router to pass ssh? |
| 18:53.58 | stew | Janni: and that wouldn't not be applicable to multiple keys |
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| 18:54.09 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: if I run a "sudo su" the system shows: password for : |
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| 18:54.21 | dondelelcaro | Layer8_: but getent passwd foouser; for that user works? |
| 18:54.23 | Layer8_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:54.52 | parsek_77 | Tramp: tcpdump: WARNING: eth0: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 18:54.53 | Layer8_ | dondelelcaro: yes - no problem whith that |
| 18:54.55 | \amethyst | Layer8_: how is nsswitch configured? |
| 18:55.00 | GenNMX | Layer8_: Normally you do sudo -s, not sudo su |
| 18:55.02 | eth01 | how do i change the resolution, also? |
| 18:55.06 | dondelelcaro | Layer8_: while you're offline? |
| 18:55.08 | parsek_77 | tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode |
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| 18:55.13 | \amethyst | hm... actually, if getent works, then nsswitch is probably right |
| 18:55.19 | Layer8_ | dondelelcaro: yes while being offline |
| 18:55.23 | parsek_77 | listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes, it stuck here |
| 18:55.30 | marinka | dondelelcaro: yes, i use a lot of other devices with it |
| 18:55.31 | Layer8_ | dondelelcaro: while online everything works fine |
| 18:55.51 | dondelelcaro | Layer8_: well, then sudo should be able to resolve the uid/username |
| 18:56.02 | Tramp | parsek_77: so you only have IPv6? Sorry, can't help you with that. |
| 18:56.13 | Layer8_ | \amethyst: my nsswitch is for passwd/group: files winbind db |
| 18:56.24 | roxy_ | I have a pdf document with japanese written on it. I need to get in txt form.(or any form where I can count the number of character and write on it). |
| 18:56.29 | simonrvn | winbind? |
| 18:56.35 | Janni | stew: Thanks, I will read into that. Though it seems to be a very dirty solution... |
| 18:56.38 | dondelelcaro | Layer8_: and the user that you're testing only exists in winbind, right? |
| 18:56.44 | parsek_77 | Tramp: how can I have ipv4? |
| 18:56.56 | Layer8_ | this user exists in winbind AND in my ccreds store |
| 18:57.02 | roxy_ | I alreay tried pdftotext -enc UTF-8 m.pdf but the encoding didn't work out. What else can I trty ? |
| 18:57.04 | Layer8_ | as I can see using cc_dump |
| 18:57.06 | simonrvn | parsek_77: your isp would need to support it |
| 18:57.08 | eth01 | how do i change the resolution, also? |
| 18:57.13 | Danielss89 | hi, emails from my system is sent from slotshaven.com, which file do i have to edit to change this? |
| 18:57.15 | Tramp | Tramp: I think you have misconfigured your Interface. Where is it supposed to get its IP from? |
| 18:57.16 | Layer8_ | I have also a nss db |
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| 18:57.37 | Layer8_ | nss_updatedb winbind worked... |
| 18:57.57 | Layer8_ | so i can see all users from our domain using getent passwd |
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| 18:58.16 | kalleskaviar | Layer8_, what does id show ? |
| 18:58.23 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 18:58.31 | eddie | hello i have a fast question |
| 18:58.31 | esomnie | okay, i was able to reproduce the issue and got the reset packet |
| 18:58.34 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: during im logged in whith this user? |
| 18:58.38 | eddie | dose the LIVE CD have GUI installer on it? |
| 18:58.51 | eddie | or only the DVD? |
| 18:58.54 | dondelelcaro | eddie: the live cd is just a live cd |
| 18:58.58 | kalleskaviar | Layer8_, yah |
| 18:59.00 | Ace2016 | whats the program that lets you set custom shortcuts to keyboard keys, i used it but i forgot the name and its really annoying me now |
| 18:59.04 | esomnie | so, here is where i am. the first time i connect to the server i get a connection refused. the second time i connect successfully |
| 18:59.07 | eddie | what cd do i need for the GUI installer. |
| 18:59.09 | marinka | hi, so does anyone know why a device wouldn't receive constant charge from a usb port? USB in kernel is enabled and works fine BUT the only thing that doesn't work is constant charge for my device. If I try a livecd it works fine. |
| 18:59.10 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: uid552() |
| 18:59.11 | dondelelcaro | eddie: the gui installer is on any of the installer cds |
| 18:59.21 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: strange...why cant the system resolve it?! |
| 18:59.23 | esomnie | this is the connection refused packet 11:56:09.717465 IP 64.251.24.161.22 > 192.168.19.21.56669: R 0:0(0) ack 2016377390 win 0 |
| 18:59.32 | eddie | dondelelcaro: I am tring ti figure out howto auto setup the software raid |
| 18:59.38 | eddie | for raid 0 |
| 18:59.38 | esomnie | 64.251.24.161.22 is not the server i am connecting to |
| 18:59.45 | eddie | all i see double click here |
| 18:59.47 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: my group memberships get resolved fine |
| 18:59.50 | esomnie | can i conclude that 64.251.24.161.22 has a firewall that is doing this? |
| 18:59.51 | eddie | but there is nothing else. |
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| 19:00.05 | eddie | its more like enter and blah blah |
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| 19:00.07 | esomnie | that is refusing the connection the first time for some reason |
| 19:00.08 | dondelelcaro | eddie: I don't use the GUI installer, but it's pretty trivial using the text based installer. |
| 19:00.16 | eth01 | which IRC client could i use, and how to install it too...? |
| 19:00.24 | eddie | yah! |
| 19:00.25 | dondelelcaro | eddie: but in either case, the installation manual walks you through it fairly clearly |
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| 19:00.39 | Danielss89 | hi, emails from my system is sent from slotshaven.com, which file do i have to edit to change this? |
| 19:00.42 | dondelelcaro | eth01: irssi; aptitude install irssi; or irssi-text; |
| 19:00.54 | Ace2016 | oh wait nevermind i remembered where i put it, its in my oldest email account, i emailed the info to myself because i knew it was useful |
| 19:00.57 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: depends on your MUA/MTA. |
| 19:01.04 | eth01 | does that irssi come with a GUI? |
| 19:01.11 | dondelelcaro | eth01: no, but it doesn't need one |
| 19:01.20 | eth01 | i'd like one which does :/ |
| 19:01.23 | dondelelcaro | eth01: if you need to click, then use xchat. |
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| 19:02.13 | parsek_77 | zoredache: how can i disable ipv6? |
| 19:02.14 | kalleskaviar | Layer8_, hmm gotta admit, am a bit stumped here. |
| 19:02.17 | eddie | the netinstaller dose not have the GUI |
| 19:02.18 | eddie | hrmhmrm |
| 19:02.36 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: yes - me too |
| 19:02.42 | Danielss89 | dondelelcaro its postfix |
| 19:02.50 | dserban | where would one call local iptables rules on boot? there used to be an /etc/init.d/iptables script which called data from /var/lib or so for setting rules. It's gone now, where do I do it the debian way? |
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| 19:03.08 | Layer8_ | kalleskaviar: thx 4 your help till here |
| 19:03.09 | simonrvn | dserban: /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples |
| 19:03.15 | eth01 | where can i get debian themes? |
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| 19:03.20 | JordiGH | Alrighty. Followed the ndiswrapper one-liner and it worked. Now I need to get the Windows driver from Dell and figure out how to make it work with ndiswrapper... |
| 19:03.20 | eddie | Dose the netinstaller cd have the GUI installer. no text baded? |
| 19:03.22 | dserban | simonrvn, danke very much. |
| 19:03.23 | Layer8_ | have a schedule whith my couch right now :-) |
| 19:03.25 | Layer8_ | bye bye |
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| 19:03.43 | nikolavp | hello everybody |
| 19:03.46 | simonrvn | np |
| 19:03.47 | zoredache | parsek_77: echo "blacklist ipv6" > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipv6 then reboot |
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| 19:04.01 | nikolavp | can someone help me with this problem Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 19:04.24 | dserban | simonrvn, ehh, I don't have an examples dir in there, just an html one with info on what iptables is and general documentation that doesn't look to be debian specific...? |
| 19:04.34 | dserban | I'm running etch. |
| 19:05.00 | simonrvn | bah, they removed it |
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| 19:05.09 | dserban | heh |
| 19:05.10 | simonrvn | sec |
| 19:05.14 | dserban | ok |
| 19:05.37 | simonrvn | heh, mine's from 2002 =) |
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| 19:06.03 | dserban | :o |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | it's been removed |
| 19:06.10 | dserban | :( |
| 19:06.13 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:06.24 | dserban | So... just fondle rc.local? <--- icky |
| 19:06.33 | simonrvn | sec |
| 19:06.44 | peteweez | Does anyone know if mcrypt can work as a pipe? I've tried and failed to cajole it into doing this...yes I've RTFM. What about gpg? |
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| 19:07.15 | GenNMX | If I get pushed back to BusyBox, is there a way to check dmesg just in case something wasn't printed to console? I do have "debug loglevel=7" added to the kernel parameters, but I want to be sure. |
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| 19:07.25 | abrotman | dserban: it's pretty easy to write youro wn |
| 19:08.05 | simonrvn | dserban: http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/iptables/ |
| 19:08.09 | dserban | abrotman, that's not my problem ;) I just want to know if there's a "right" way to set iptables rules in debian. As there used to be a boot script that loaded rules from a defined file in /var somewhere. It's gone now. |
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| 19:08.33 | kalleskaviar | Layer8_, how dows your pamd.d/login file look like. maybe you messed up the order ? |
| 19:08.48 | abrotman | dserban: from /var/lib/iptables/active or something |
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| 19:09.19 | simonrvn | dserban: carefully read those 2 files |
| 19:09.23 | dserban | abrotman, exactly. It's gone now though. |
| 19:09.36 | roxy_ | I can't find out what encoding is used for a japanese pdf file (I tried utf-8 and utf-7). How can I find out ? |
| 19:09.38 | dserban | simonrvn, thanks, I am looking through them. |
| 19:10.14 | dserban | Crazy that all that work got thrown away. |
| 19:10.15 | abrotman | dserban: wussy .. just randomly set iptables .. what could possibly go wrong? |
| 19:10.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:10.39 | dserban | abrotman, hah! Nothing really. I just feel like I'm running redhat 6.2 when I need to fondle rc.local :) |
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| 19:11.03 | abrotman | dserban: you don't have to .. write your own |
| 19:11.26 | dserban | my own init script? NO! that's what debian's for... everyone else does my work for me ;) |
| 19:11.42 | mafu | Does someone know a quick oneliner for deleting the root password? I have forgotten mine to a machine, but via the VPS controlpanel I have root access by a html form.. |
| 19:12.11 | simonrvn | mafu: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 19:12.26 | mafu | Really? :D |
| 19:12.27 | dkr | dserban: iptables commands are just kernel configuration options. you are just configuring it. you always have to configure stuff. :) |
| 19:12.34 | simonrvn | !kill cpanel |
| 19:13.13 | mafu | simonrvn: I can't do that. No commands that need further input |
| 19:13.16 | mafu | It's a remote vps |
| 19:13.22 | zoredache | mafu: usermod -p '*' root |
| 19:13.37 | simonrvn | i have no experience with that |
| 19:13.42 | abrotman | zoredache: you'd have to be root to do that |
| 19:14.26 | mafu | How do I find out which user I actually am at that console? |
| 19:14.33 | JordiGH | mafu: whoami |
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| 19:14.41 | mafu | I am root. |
| 19:14.42 | mafu | Great |
| 19:14.46 | mafu | But the command doesn't work |
| 19:14.50 | kalleskaviar | mafu id |
| 19:14.54 | JordiGH | Doesn't? |
| 19:15.04 | mafu | Nope |
| 19:15.10 | mafu | the usermod one |
| 19:15.13 | JordiGH | !doesn't work |
| 19:15.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:15.30 | mafu | :D |
| 19:15.45 | JordiGH | Have you been messing around with /etc/user? |
| 19:15.45 | Chronosphear | i upgraded to gutsy and now scrollwheel up is also menu button. any ideas? |
| 19:15.47 | mafu | Usage: usermod [options] LOGIN |
| 19:15.52 | mafu | That error message |
| 19:16.00 | JordiGH | Chronosphear: Yeah, I have an idea. Ask Ubuntu questions in #ubuntu and Debian questions in #debian. |
| 19:16.25 | Chronosphear | shit... sorry. wasn't thinking |
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| 19:16.47 | mafu | No other method of deleting root pw? |
| 19:16.52 | parsek_77 | Tramp: i disabled the IPv6, and this is the warning now I am getting tcpdump: WARNING: eth0: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 19:17.14 | JordiGH | mafu: Just edit /etc/user or /etc/passwd. It's simple. Replace the password hash with a single character. |
| 19:17.19 | GenNMX | Sigh. Any ideas why my system keeps cycling when trying to finish initializing Linux's software raid, md? Every ATA device in my system starts lighting up like a christmas tree when this happens, following a cycle. After about a half an hour, it'll finally give up and push me back to BusyBox. I never had this problem before I tried upgrading from RAID1 to RAID10. I even dissolved the RAID10 back into a RAID1 and still the same p |
| 19:17.25 | JordiGH | mafu: Traditionally, ! |
| 19:17.50 | mafu | JordiGH: I know that. But I can't access commands that need further user input than the invocation of the command itself. :) |
| 19:17.54 | mafu | Its a vps |
| 19:17.57 | Tramp | parsek_77: obviously you need an IP. |
| 19:18.10 | JordiGH | mafu: cat is a text editor. ;-) |
| 19:18.21 | parsek_77 | Tramp: servers ip or localhost? |
| 19:18.30 | kalleskaviar | mafu, do a little sed-fu :) |
| 19:18.46 | mafu | I'm no good at sed, but that's what I was hoping for ;) |
| 19:18.47 | pettern | have anyone tried radeonhd on debian? |
| 19:18.48 | mafu | In here |
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| 19:19.03 | parsek_77 | Tramp: or some connection from outside? |
| 19:19.05 | Tramp | parsek_77: This is the machine the sshd-Server is supposed to be running on, isn't it? |
| 19:19.14 | parsek_77 | Tramp: yes |
| 19:19.16 | mafu | kalleskaviar: any good at sed? |
| 19:19.17 | JordiGH | mafu: Copy the file locally, edit it, copy it back. |
| 19:19.40 | Tramp | parsek_77: You said you were forwarding on the router. Where are you forwarding to? |
| 19:19.40 | parsek_77 | Tramp: it is running I can connect from LAN but not from outside, outside of the router |
| 19:19.48 | mafu | JordiGH: I have no access to the system apart from the vps admin interface, where there is a textbox for commands and a submit button. |
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| 19:20.05 | parsek_77 | Tramp: I am forwarding port 7717 to thserver which is 192.168.2.2 |
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| 19:20.18 | mafu | JordiGH: Those commands are run as root. I need a one-liner. :) |
| 19:20.35 | JordiGH | mafu: scp /etc/passwd localbox: |
| 19:20.36 | mafu | For whatever. Editing /etc/passwd, invoking a command, whatever helps. ;) |
| 19:20.40 | Tramp | parsek_77: Where do you connect to from LAN? 192.168.2.2??? |
| 19:20.59 | mafu | JordiGH: I would need either keys or a password for that |
| 19:21.06 | mafu | JordiGH: this is a totally new system |
| 19:21.34 | mafu | JordiGH: or does scp take passwords at the command line? |
| 19:21.53 | parsek_77 | Tramp: i was running the command from 192.168.2.2 |
| 19:21.59 | mafu | Doesn't look like it.. |
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| 19:22.25 | Tramp | parsek_77: You said you can connect /from LAN/ what do you mean by that? You have 2 machines in your LAN? |
| 19:22.34 | parsek_77 | yes |
| 19:22.51 | Tramp | parsek_77: And the other machine can connect to 192.168.2.2, which is the ssh-Server |
| 19:22.52 | parsek_77 | 2 linux machines |
| 19:22.56 | parsek_77 | yes |
| 19:23.05 | JordiGH | mafu: Maybe... |
| 19:23.09 | Tramp | Has this server more than 1 interface? |
| 19:23.19 | mafu | JordiGH: couldn't find a switch for it |
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| 19:23.40 | parsek_77 | Tramp: the machine i want to connect is a laptop which has ethernet and wireless but I am using wireless only |
| 19:24.15 | Tramp | parsek_77: Ah. What is your wireless interface? Use tcpdump on that, not on eth0. |
| 19:24.23 | disco\\ | I'm trying to install libsasl2-2, but get the error message "libsasl2: Depends: libsasl2-2 (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-8) but 2.1.22.dfsg1-16 is to be installed". Does anyone know the reason/solution? |
| 19:24.26 | parsek_77 | Tramp tcpdump worked |
| 19:24.42 | eddie | yay! |
| 19:24.45 | eddie | i think i have don eit! |
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| 19:24.49 | parsek_77 | Tramp: I ran it from the other machine, and I also connect from other machine while dump is working |
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| 19:25.06 | Tramp | parsek_77: Fine. So now you dump on your wireless, ok? |
| 19:25.20 | parsek_77 | Tramp: I think so, because it connected |
| 19:25.26 | tralala | what is the name to use for pinning the multimedia archive? |
| 19:25.44 | Tramp | parsek_77: Now try to connect from ouside and check for incoming packets. |
| 19:25.54 | parsek_77 | Tramp: ok |
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| 19:26.36 | amirf | Hi, how can i do "ls -l /foo" over ssh ? |
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| 19:26.51 | parsek_77 | Tramp: there is no movement, |
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| 19:26.53 | tralala | amirf, ssh user@host ls -l /foo |
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| 19:27.06 | parsek_77 | Tramp: it looks like there is no forwarding |
| 19:27.21 | Tramp | parsek_77: Jep. You have to fix it on the router first. |
| 19:27.44 | parsek_77 | Tramp: it's weird, it forwards for port 22 but not for7717 |
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| 19:27.53 | amirf | thank you all |
| 19:28.04 | parsek_77 | Tramp: thanks for your help |
| 19:28.22 | Tramp | parsek_77: np |
| 19:29.09 | eddie | where is the debian network configuration file locate? |
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| 19:29.23 | Tramp | parsek_77: Are you forwarding incoming port 22 to 7717 or incoming 7717 to 7717? |
| 19:29.24 | n00bular | !dpkg mantra |
| 19:29.24 | tralala | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:29.25 | n00bular | ? |
| 19:29.29 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 19:29.30 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 19:29.31 | n00bular | how do i? |
| 19:29.34 | CharminTheMoose | eddie, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:29.53 | eddie | i see. |
| 19:29.55 | eddie | thanks! |
| 19:29.58 | simonrvn | n00bular: do you what? |
| 19:30.13 | n00bular | get the kernel mantra, actually nm I found the link to the irc wiki. |
| 19:30.22 | simonrvn | "k-p mantra" |
| 19:30.23 | Tramp | parsek_77: In other words: If you are doing the latter, you are using "-p 7717" on the client, right? |
| 19:30.30 | eddie | is there a command to type in |
| 19:30.34 | eddie | to reconfigure that? |
| 19:30.36 | simonrvn | n00bular: do /msg dpkg k-p mantra |
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| 19:32.19 | tralala | eddie, edit it with your favourite text editor |
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| 19:33.37 | n00bular | "/msg dpkg k-p mantra" does not reply |
| 19:33.57 | beardy_ | remove the - |
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| 19:34.03 | peteweez | Does anyone know if mcrypt can work as a pipe? I've tried and failed to cajole it into doing this...yes I've RTFM. What about gpg? |
| 19:34.05 | eth01 | debian themes? |
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| 19:36.08 | Lethias | where would i go to find out to install the Unreal Tournament GOTY without the bonus disc? |
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| 19:36.24 | Lethias | everythign i've read has to do with having the bonus disc. |
| 19:37.20 | eth01 | where could I get themes? |
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| 19:39.56 | Lethias | #unreal |
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| 19:40.48 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone that uses Gnome in Sid have a problem with 100% CPU usage when starting gnome appearance? |
| 19:41.15 | mythomaniac | anyone willing to tell if this is right syntax for the prog update-rc.d: update-rc.d <name-of-file> start 100 /rcS.d? |
| 19:41.31 | fengor | eth01: you dont get themes for debian. i assume youmean themes for your gui. i'd try the website of the of the window manager you are using |
| 19:41.52 | kalleskaviar | mafu, still here ? |
| 19:42.01 | mafu | kalleskaviar: yes |
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| 19:42.23 | mafu | I think I just need a hash as returned by "crypt" right now |
| 19:42.31 | mafu | Now I need to figure out how to use that command |
| 19:42.39 | Tramp | peteweez: mcrypt < foo > bar works perfectly for me. |
| 19:42.47 | kalleskaviar | i made a little one liner for ya |
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| 19:43.10 | bucketfan99 | hello |
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| 19:43.34 | mafu | kalleskaviar: bring it on ;) |
| 19:43.36 | bucketfan99 | hey, i need to get kernel source. can someone tell me what package name that would be if my kernel is 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 19:43.54 | maur1 | peolple i try compile a source in debian with apt-build install iptable but i need add a patch to iptables |
| 19:43.56 | maur1 | is possible? |
| 19:44.14 | \amethyst | bucketfan99: Do you need this for compiling a module? |
| 19:44.18 | wols | maur1: not with apt-build |
| 19:44.29 | maur1 | wols: who? |
| 19:44.30 | bucketfan99 | yes amethyst i do |
| 19:44.35 | eddie | damn software raid was a pain in the ass to setup :P |
| 19:44.35 | \amethyst | bucketfan99: then you need linux-headers-2.6.18-5 |
| 19:44.40 | bucketfan99 | thanks bud |
| 19:44.43 | maur1 | wols: how? |
| 19:44.44 | eddie | but now that i know howto do it |
| 19:44.50 | eddie | its easy :P RTFM~! |
| 19:44.55 | eddie | thanks guys. |
| 19:45.02 | wols | maur1: apt-get the source and build the package |
| 19:45.04 | \amethyst | bucketfan99: oh, also linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 19:45.26 | bucketfan99 | okely dokely |
| 19:45.28 | maur1 | apt-get source package then patch and then build the package? |
| 19:45.32 | \amethyst | bucketfan99: the latter depends on the former, so just installing linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 ought to be enough |
| 19:45.55 | wols | maur1: yes |
| 19:46.10 | bucketfan99 | gaah it is very hard to install a encrypted filesystem thing on debian |
| 19:46.20 | bucketfan99 | whats the deb friendly alternative truecrypt or bestcrypt |
| 19:46.21 | bucketfan99 | etc |
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| 19:49.04 | abrotman | bucketfan99: there is truecrypt for linux |
| 19:49.12 | kalleskaviar | mafu, http://pastebin.com/d23644181 should work. It's a twoliner though. |
| 19:49.33 | bucketfan99 | yes but i want something that is installed with .deb |
| 19:49.39 | bucketfan99 | truecrypt installs on ubuntu w/ .deb |
| 19:50.26 | mafu | kalleskaviar: sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
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| 19:50.55 | mafu | Maybe I should just give up and as support :) |
| 19:51.21 | \amethyst | mafu: sounds like you omitted a quote perhaps? |
| 19:51.43 | Tramp | or the input-validation of the web-form strips them. |
| 19:52.49 | mafu | :D |
| 19:52.53 | mafu | This is getting weird. |
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| 19:53.15 | mafu | Maybe it's not in my cards to access that server again. |
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| 19:53.37 | _DustyBin | i know this isnt a debian question, but what switch would you choose out of these home budget range switches: Netgear GS108 or 3Com Gigabit Switch 8, they are both gigabit switches by the way |
| 19:53.48 | abulu | hi! some knows which program can I use instead of mkinitrd on etch? is it mkinitramfs? |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | _DustyBin: #networking |
| 19:54.16 | _DustyBin | thanks :) |
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| 19:55.37 | Trollinator | Hi |
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| 19:56.27 | Supaplex | *gasp* A new irc user said Hi. |
| 19:56.35 | Trollinator | when i run apt-get install aptitude, it tells me that aptitude depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 and it can't be installed |
| 19:56.36 | Supaplex | sup Trollinator |
| 19:56.39 | shinkamui | is there an easy command line I can use to add just one group to a users groups list without having to respecify the entire list they should be in? |
| 19:56.52 | Trollinator | (on Sid) |
| 19:57.11 | abrotman | Trollinator: apt-get update and try again |
| 19:57.20 | Trollinator | abrotman: i've done that |
| 19:57.32 | peteweez | Tramp: sorry, had to actually work for a minute :-D...uh what is < foo > and bar? Options and input? |
| 19:58.11 | Tramp | peteweez: No, input and output files. It shows, that mcrypt reads/writes stdin/out if no files are given. |
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| 19:58.16 | abrotman | Trollinator: that's a virtual package provided by apt |
| 19:59.01 | Tramp | peteweez: It complayins about writing the encrypted stuff to terminal though, if stdout is a terminal |
| 19:59.04 | Trollinator | abrotman: apt is already installed |
| 19:59.24 | yoshio | shinkamui: you can use the command vigr to edit /etc/groups |
| 19:59.26 | abrotman | Trollinator: which version? |
| 19:59.29 | Trollinator | shinkamui: just usw vigr |
| 19:59.50 | Trollinator | abrotman: 0.7.7 |
| 19:59.57 | abrotman | and it's i386? |
| 20:00.03 | Trollinator | yes. |
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| 20:00.30 | abrotman | Trollinator: apt-cache policy aptitude .. which version is it trying to install ? |
| 20:00.46 | shinkamui | ok |
| 20:00.47 | Trollinator | ok, apt-cache show apt tells me that it "Provides: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.5", and aptitude wants libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 |
| 20:00.47 | Tramp | peteweez: thus "cat foo | mcrypt | dowhatever" works perfectly (although the "cat" is not needed here, just because you asked for pipes specifically) |
| 20:00.55 | shinkamui | so the easiest way IS to just edit /etc/groups |
| 20:00.57 | guillaume | I open a vnc4server display on a distant computer behind a firewall, this vnc server is running on port 5901 and redirect on port 16xxx for outside connection. When I launch vncviewer xxxxx.dyndns.org:1 -listen 16xxx I don't obtain a view of the display but : main : listening on port 16356... What's wrong ? |
| 20:00.59 | shinkamui | err, /etc/passwd |
| 20:01.07 | yoshio | shinkamui: man page for adduser says "adduser user group" |
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| 20:01.19 | abrotman | Trollinator: something is out of whack obviously |
| 20:01.28 | peteweez | Tramp: kinda what I thought |
| 20:01.29 | abrotman | Trollinator: might have to wait a day or two |
| 20:01.30 | shinkamui | yoshio: dude that way requires me to specify all the groups they're already in + their primary group AND the new group |
| 20:01.40 | Trollinator | damn :/ |
| 20:01.43 | peteweez | Tramp: it just doesn't always seem to want to work that way |
| 20:01.55 | Trollinator | oh well, thanks anyway :) |
| 20:02.07 | shinkamui | I wasn't sure if editing the groups file didn't need something done behind the scenes by one of the commands |
| 20:02.08 | Tramp | peteweez: Im sure it behave consistently 8) |
| 20:02.43 | yoshio | shinkamui: the man page says "Add an existing user to an existing group - If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group." |
| 20:02.53 | mafu | Thanks for your help people :) |
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| 20:03.15 | yoshio | shinkamui: and the usage at the top of the man page shows "adduser [options] user group" |
| 20:04.02 | peteweez | Tramp: here's a good metaphor for what I want to do: |
| 20:04.03 | peteweez | on host: cat audio.mp3 | mcrypt | realtime streaming server |
| 20:04.03 | peteweez | on client: download from streaming server using some program | mcrypt -d | output stream of audio.mp3 in realtime |
| 20:04.13 | peteweez | Basically, I want realtime encryption |
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| 20:04.43 | Trollinator | useless use of cat detected.... |
| 20:05.23 | peteweez | Trollinator: true, but it makes sense in my analogy |
| 20:05.32 | peteweez | I want to feed a streaming audio source |
| 20:05.33 | Tramp | peteweez: well, I don't know where your problem may be, but it is not mcrypt not working piped. |
| 20:05.41 | peteweez | and I just used cat audio.mp3 as a trivial example |
| 20:05.45 | Trollinator | not that i care about that :) |
| 20:05.52 | peteweez | Trollinator: haha |
| 20:06.37 | Trollinator | the useless use of cat, i mean |
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| 20:07.17 | shinkamui | yoshio: my apologies then, I assumed to much, Im reading the man page now |
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| 20:07.45 | peteweez | Tramp: What happened was when I tried to use mcrypt (even not piped) to encrypt an mp3 (slightly less than 1 MB), it made a file of only 8 kB, and it never finished the job... didn't return me to the command line until I sent SIGTERM |
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| 20:09.25 | yoshio | shinkamui: no offense taken, no apologies needed |
| 20:09.40 | minerale | i'm trying to use gmail from a curses-like interface (similar to slrn, mutt, pine) --- are pine and mutt my only choices? the stable version of mut does not support smtp |
| 20:10.11 | abrotman | IIRC mutt needs a local smtp server, which you could setup to use gmail as your smart host |
| 20:10.26 | Tramp | peteweez: mcrypt -k "foo" 2>/dev/null < foo | mcrypt -d -k "foo" 2>/dev/null > bar |
| 20:10.37 | h3sp4wn | mutt can use a remote smtp server |
| 20:10.48 | minerale | h3sp4wn: the stable version in the repo? |
| 20:10.49 | Tramp | peteweez: worked perfectly for me with foo multiple MB. |
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| 20:11.19 | h3sp4wn | minerale: What version is that |
| 20:11.34 | abrotman | !info mutt etch |
| 20:11.41 | dpkg | mutt: (text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading), section mail, is standard. Version: 1.5.13-1.1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1767 kB, Installed size: 4940 kB |
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| 20:11.55 | Spida | hi |
| 20:12.11 | peteweez | Tramp: I'll give it a try...btw, do you know if gpg can work in pipe mode |
| 20:12.12 | peteweez | ? |
| 20:12.33 | Tramp | peteweez: Yes, it can |
| 20:12.59 | minerale | h3sp4wn: I added a smtp_url in the .muttrc file, but when It loads I get error: Error in /home/minerale/.muttrc, line 6: smtp_url: unknown variable |
| 20:13.05 | Tramp | peteweez: Unlike mcrypt it is even pretty clearly explained in the manpages |
| 20:13.10 | Spida | I get "E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages" on debootstrap etch chroot. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:14.19 | Drk_Guy | Guys |
| 20:14.26 | Drk_Guy | How can i defrag a disk? |
| 20:14.38 | peteweez | Tramp: ah thanks |
| 20:14.45 | peteweez | Tramp: I did not RTFM for that |
| 20:14.47 | Tramp | np |
| 20:15.00 | abrotman | Drk_Guy: don't need to |
| 20:15.09 | Drk_Guy | Don't need to? |
| 20:15.13 | abrotman | no |
| 20:15.43 | Drk_Guy | Why' |
| 20:15.46 | Drk_Guy | How |
| 20:15.48 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 20:15.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
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| 20:20.25 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 20:20.43 | Farhadix | hi guys ;) |
| 20:20.45 | Farhadix | for compiling courier-base, courier-imap, courier-imap-ssl and courier-authdaemon which tarball packages is needed? |
| 20:20.53 | stew | heh, the current version of defrag was released upstream BEFORE ext3 was even part of linux |
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| 20:22.16 | abrotman | yeah .. it's old and useless |
| 20:22.35 | abrotman | Farhadix: aptitude install <stuff you need> |
| 20:22.41 | slidesinger | I've read a bit about chroot jailing for apache/bind/etc. Is this a good idea for a generic lamp server? (never read about it for a lamp box) |
| 20:22.50 | abrotman | Farhadix: if you want to know what to compile .. ask #courier |
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| 20:23.43 | eth01 | ftp client for debian? |
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| 20:23.53 | abrotman | eth01: gui or cli ? |
| 20:24.03 | abrotman | and do you need to upload or just fetch ? |
| 20:24.07 | eth01 | both |
| 20:24.16 | eth01 | gui :P |
| 20:24.16 | Farhadix | abrotman, tnx |
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| 20:24.18 | abrotman | both to which question? :) |
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| 20:24.23 | abrotman | eth01: filezilla works well |
| 20:24.28 | eth01 | ah, i forgot :P |
| 20:24.41 | abrotman | eth01: and you really shouldn't be using ftp |
| 20:25.06 | eth01 | for these means, it's perfectly fine. |
| 20:25.21 | slidesinger | eth01: I use wget. |
| 20:25.33 | fas3r | it's possible to log the command ps aux ? |
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| 20:26.11 | eth01 | i'm doing constant uploading though, wget isn't an option ;) :) |
| 20:26.24 | slidesinger | fas3r: You could always ps aux > some.file |
| 20:26.53 | fas3r | with a "for" condition ? |
| 20:27.14 | slidesinger | eth01: set up ssh on the remote, if possible, and use scp. |
| 20:27.44 | slidesinger | fas3r: Can't think why not. |
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| 20:28.09 | stew | fas3r: what do you mean by "for condition" |
| 20:28.16 | pettern | you can do whatever you want with it:) |
| 20:28.48 | stew | fas3r: what are you actually trying to accomplish? perhaps there is a better way to go about it |
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| 20:29.19 | fas3r | i need to see if a command is execute with good argument |
| 20:29.25 | rmaj | stew: does debian write own patches? |
| 20:29.34 | stew | rmaj: yes |
| 20:29.44 | rmaj | perhaps someone could write one for krusader |
| 20:29.45 | fas3r | but the time i execute it and the time i launch ps aux ... the command if finish |
| 20:29.58 | stew | rmaj: i'm sure one would be welcome |
| 20:30.06 | eth01 | damn, i need arial :( (font) |
| 20:30.11 | eth01 | is there no possible way of getting it? |
| 20:30.18 | fas3r | (if you prefer i execute shell command in php pages ) |
| 20:30.34 | rmaj | stew: isn't that also part of objectives for debian developer of krusader |
| 20:30.37 | stew | fas3r: sounds like maybe you want to strace whatever you are doing |
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| 20:30.41 | stew | rmaj: no |
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| 20:30.47 | rmaj | fixing package if it is broken |
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| 20:30.56 | rmaj | *application |
| 20:30.57 | fas3r | and i have an error but i don't know where .. i think it's in the command |
| 20:30.59 | bottiger | okey - is someone here experienced in makeing .deb-files? I have some questions :) |
| 20:31.19 | slidesinger | eth01: apt-get msttcorefonts? |
| 20:31.33 | slidesinger | eth01: apt-get install msttcorefonts? |
| 20:31.41 | eth01 | apititude |
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| 20:31.45 | eth01 | not apt-get ? |
| 20:32.00 | stew | rmaj: if the bug is in the upstream part of the package the bug should be reported upstream. if a fix is a available, the maintainer should incorporate the fix |
| 20:32.21 | stew | rmaj: so it seems like the maintainer is doing his job, since the bug is reported upstream and no fix is available |
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| 20:32.28 | slidesinger | Same package. I just prefer the simplicity and flexibility of the command line, but the package name is the same. |
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| 20:35.09 | eth01 | how do i see which fonts are installed then? |
| 20:35.17 | eth01 | and slidesinger, which font's are those? |
| 20:36.15 | hark | eth01: apt-cache show msttcorefonts |
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| 20:38.53 | slidesinger | Anyone know if bind in etch is compiled with stack guard or, better yet, how I can find out compile decisions made by pakage maintainers? |
| 20:39.16 | eth01 | hark: that command showed nothing. |
| 20:39.18 | sam_ | hi how can i load the raw1394 module in sid please? i have libraw1394 but it gives FATAL: Module raw1394 not found. |
| 20:39.18 | sam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.53 | stew | sam_: modprobe raw1394 |
| 20:40.24 | hark | eth01: you have to have contrib in your sources. /msg dpkg contrib |
| 20:40.30 | eth01 | E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate |
| 20:40.45 | sam_ | that's what gives the module not found error |
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| 20:41.09 | sam_ | are their any other packages i need? |
| 20:41.22 | stew | sam_: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:41.58 | eth01 | hark: they have contrib :) |
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| 20:42.18 | sam_ | 2.6.22-2-k7 |
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| 20:43.13 | stew | !find raw1394.ko lenny |
| 20:43.14 | eth01 | i don't understand why it's not installing the msttcorefonts though...? |
| 20:43.16 | snacky | sam_: btw, good job on being president of debian and all |
| 20:43.25 | stew | wrong sam |
| 20:43.53 | hark | eth01: pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 20:43.56 | michela | could someone help me configure a kernel parameter to allow a USB drive to be restarted? 3 line instructions here but really not confident re. /sys settings - http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DealWithAutoSpinDownOnSeagateFreeAgent |
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| 20:44.06 | eth01 | hark: http://pastie.caboo.se/110940 |
| 20:44.28 | sam_ | stew, what do you mean about lenny please? |
| 20:44.35 | eth01 | hark: http://pastie.caboo.se/110941 |
| 20:44.52 | stew | sam_: oh, i was waiting for the dpkg bot to confirm that raw1394 was in fact included in the kernel |
| 20:45.00 | stew | !find raw1394.ko etch |
| 20:45.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'raw1394.ko' (3 of 18): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-686. |
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| 20:45.59 | sam_ | stew, so this means it is not availible in my kernel? |
| 20:46.09 | stew | i guess it was removed sometime between 2.6.21 and 2.6.22 |
| 20:46.10 | hark | eth01: add contrib after main in the line containing "ftp-mirror.internap.com" |
| 20:46.15 | stew | sam_: it appears not |
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| 20:46.39 | sam_ | !find raw1394.ko sid |
| 20:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'raw1394.ko' returned no results. |
| 20:47.01 | sam_ | bugger |
| 20:47.13 | eth01 | hark: both of those 2 lines? |
| 20:47.16 | stew | sam_: what does "grep CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return? |
| 20:47.38 | hark | nothing :) |
| 20:47.44 | mutante | how do get "ip6tables" or another v6 capable packet filter / firewall through apt on stable.. when trying to use apt-cache search i find only those mentioning they "dont" support v6 |
| 20:48.07 | sam_ | clientname:/dev# grep CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:48.08 | sam_ | clientname:/dev# |
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| 20:48.33 | stew | i get "CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=m" on 2.6.21-2 |
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| 20:50.44 | hark | eth01: there are two lines with it? |
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| 20:52.07 | eth01 | hark: http://pastie.caboo.se/110946 |
| 20:52.43 | sam_ | anyone know how can find the latest k7 kernel that includes raw1394? |
| 20:52.49 | hark | eth01: ok, just do an aptitude update now |
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| 20:53.17 | abrotman | sam_: backports.org |
| 20:53.36 | jel_ | hi all. Anyone have experience with SFS ? I've got it logging in, but it's not creating anything under /sfs, except if I do sfskey login as root |
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| 20:54.21 | stew | oddly the -itanium and -mckinley kernels still have it raw1394 but no others |
| 20:54.38 | Borbus | Hey I've set up a cronjob by putting a shell script in /etc/cron.hourly but it's not working.. is there something I might have missed? |
| 20:54.55 | mythomaniac | anyone familiar with the update-rc.d program, I have a few questions ;) |
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| 20:55.21 | Tramp | Borbus: not working? |
| 20:55.31 | Borbus | The script just isn't being executed every hour |
| 20:55.38 | Borbus | I know the script works |
| 20:55.39 | jel | Borbus: make it executable? Make sure the the script sets the paths it needs? |
| 20:55.52 | Tramp | Borbus: You know it works from the cmdline. |
| 20:55.54 | Borbus | It's definitely executable and all paths are absolute |
| 20:56.12 | jel | mythomaniac: nope, sorry. rcconf is more fun :) |
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| 20:56.41 | Borbus | http://pastebin.ca/749665 |
| 20:56.43 | mythomaniac | jel: rcconf? |
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| 20:56.53 | Borbus | All the paths are absolute so it should work |
| 20:57.00 | jel | mythomaniac: as in apt-get install rcconf |
| 20:57.06 | Borbus | I put the last line in to see if the script was executing at all and it isn't |
| 20:57.20 | mythomaniac | jel: ah that explains why there is no manpage ;) |
| 20:57.25 | jel | :) |
| 20:57.33 | Seb | where is the default locale setup, system-wide ? I just changed it to C in /etc/environment, but somehow when I login, I still get UTF-8 and not C... |
| 20:57.36 | Seb | any idea ? |
| 20:57.49 | jel | Seb: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:57.52 | Seb | this is a sid system, btw |
| 20:57.58 | Seb | jel: no text-file to edit ? |
| 20:57.59 | jel | (I think :) |
| 20:58.00 | Borbus | Is there something I'm missing? Just putting an executable shell script in /etc/cron.hourly should work right? |
| 20:58.15 | Tramp | Borbus: make the line the first line and let it touch sth. in /tmp |
| 20:58.19 | jel | Seb: probably multiple |
| 20:58.22 | hark | sam_: seems to be deprecated now.. "disabled due to security concern and general distrust" |
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| 20:58.51 | kalleskaviar | Borbus, run anacron with run now and don't fork options to get error messages in console ? |
| 20:58.53 | Seb | jel: hmm ok |
| 20:58.59 | Borbus | Tramp, ok, I suppose I'll have to wait an hour until it tries, though, or does cron do it straight away when you restart crond? |
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| 20:59.11 | hark | sam_: bugs.debian.org/436416 |
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| 20:59.16 | Tramp | Borbus: nope |
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| 20:59.50 | ampex2 | wow, mIRC works very well on wine |
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| 21:02.01 | Tramp | Borbus: when are your hourly scripts run? |
| 21:02.12 | Borbus | Tramp, I'm not sure |
| 21:02.25 | Tramp | Borbus: chech /etc/crontab |
| 21:03.37 | Borbus | 25 6 * * * 25 minutes past I think? |
| 21:03.54 | Borbus | Oops wrong one |
| 21:03.55 | mythomaniac | jelly: rcconf seems to be a tool that is used to turn on and off services from start-up and shut-down? |
| 21:03.57 | Tramp | Borbus: no. This would be 06:25 only |
| 21:04.03 | Borbus | 17 * * * * <-- 17 minutes past |
| 21:04.09 | Borbus | Which is fairly soon |
| 21:04.13 | mythomaniac | jel rcconf seems to be a tool that is used to turn on and off services from start-up and shut-down? |
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| 21:04.19 | Tramp | Borbus: were you aware of this, before you checked? |
| 21:04.32 | Borbus | No, but it's been there for many hours already |
| 21:04.35 | abrotman | mythomaniac: try using his whole nick |
| 21:04.36 | Tramp | ok |
| 21:04.49 | Borbus | The cron.hourly entry looks different to the other though |
| 21:04.51 | abrotman | oh jeez .. nevermind |
| 21:04.55 | abrotman | update-rc.d is the way to go |
| 21:05.08 | mythomaniac | abrotman: wasnt it jel i was talking to? |
| 21:05.24 | Borbus | http://pastebin.ca/749682 <-- is that normal? |
| 21:05.28 | mythomaniac | LOl he left ;( |
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| 21:06.02 | Tramp | Borbus: Yea, that's ok. |
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| 21:06.19 | chris__ | hi |
| 21:06.48 | Borbus | If I edit that file to 5 minutes past and restart crond to speed things up, is that ok? |
| 21:07.39 | Tramp | Borbus: Should be ok, you may want to change it back later. |
| 21:07.51 | eth01 | where can I get themes for debian (gnome) or something which look's alot better?! |
| 21:07.58 | Ronin | eth01: google.com |
| 21:08.14 | xand | !alot |
| 21:08.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 21:08.22 | xand | :O |
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| 21:08.31 | Nyle | ok, first off |
| 21:08.34 | Nyle | that is very rude. |
| 21:08.40 | chris__ | look at art.gnome.org |
| 21:08.41 | Nyle | and highly uncalled for |
| 21:08.57 | Ronin | heh thought it was funny actually |
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| 21:09.06 | Nyle | that it maybe |
| 21:09.09 | eth01 | actually, alot can be used as a word. regardless, of what you think ;) |
| 21:09.20 | eth01 | won't go into it though. |
| 21:09.31 | hark | *may be ;p |
| 21:09.38 | Ronin | that like u ? |
| 21:09.53 | xand | eth01: no it cannot |
| 21:09.55 | Tramp | Borbus: however, you may want to check your clocks. When you said that about 05 it was already almost 07. |
| 21:10.07 | xand | eth01: also check your punctuation :P |
| 21:10.34 | jelly-home | calling someone a dumb motherfucker solely on the basis of a typo is really uncalled for |
| 21:10.40 | jelly-home | dpkg, forget alot |
| 21:10.41 | dpkg | i forgot alot, jelly-home |
| 21:10.42 | eth01 | indeed. |
| 21:10.54 | xand | well... I didn't know it was quite that rude :p |
| 21:10.56 | Borbus | Tramp, I haven't even done it yet.. something else happaned at the same time lol |
| 21:11.01 | xand | sorry for any offence! |
| 21:11.06 | Borbus | I have irssi which tells me the time all the time anyway |
| 21:11.11 | eth01 | who manages that bot? |
| 21:11.19 | Tramp | Borbus: well, then better leave it and be patient 8) |
| 21:11.21 | eth01 | (dpkg) ** |
| 21:11.36 | Ronin | jelly-home: getting offened over what a bot said is, well nvevermind |
| 21:11.53 | eth01 | it's the principal, not the point ;) |
| 21:11.54 | Borbus | Tramp, what time do you make it now? |
| 21:11.56 | Tramp | Borbus: or, even better, run the line from the crontab manually (i.e. the run-parts...) |
| 21:12.01 | Borbus | 22:08 here |
| 21:12.03 | Borbus | I think |
| 21:12.09 | eth01 | i make it 23:14 here |
| 21:12.09 | Borbus | I'm not using ntp atm |
| 21:12.10 | Tramp | [23:12:01] <Borbus> 22:08 here |
| 21:12.13 | jelly-home | xand: you dumb motherfucker |
| 21:12.21 | xand | o.O |
| 21:12.26 | Borbus | 22:12 on my other box |
| 21:12.27 | eth01 | LOL |
| 21:12.28 | Ronin | that takes courage to do :) |
| 21:12.28 | Borbus | Hmm |
| 21:13.00 | eth01 | you baddddddasssssss! :P |
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| 21:13.11 | Ronin | heh |
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| 21:14.39 | xand | jelly-home: thanks for that :p |
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| 21:15.26 | eth01 | xand: on behalf of jelly-home, you're very welcome. |
| 21:15.36 | jelly-home | xand: yeah, I hoped I pulled the plug before it got thru, apparenntly ont :;-( |
| 21:15.46 | kalleskaviar | *sigh*, i'd really like to meet the guy that constructed this notebook. With a mallet. |
| 21:15.47 | Ronin | :) |
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| 21:16.04 | eth01 | hey foo. |
| 21:16.19 | foo | eth01: :) Heya |
| 21:16.32 | eth01 | :P ... |
| 21:17.01 | eth01 | be careful, correct English has to be used in this channel AT ALL TIMES otherwise xand may get a little 'cross'... |
| 21:17.06 | eth01 | foo: ^^ |
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| 21:17.32 | Ronin | eth01: wait until you do your/you're |
| 21:17.47 | Ronin | my personal favorite typo |
| 21:18.00 | foo | hehe |
| 21:18.05 | foo | Ronin: I stopped correcting people on that :) |
| 21:18.07 | snacky | for the record, I fully support and endorse that excellent rule eth01 promulgated above |
| 21:18.14 | jelly-home | Ronin: You're favorite? |
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| 21:18.21 | Ronin | jelly-home: indeed |
| 21:18.22 | eth01 | snacky: it was a TYPE... |
| 21:18.26 | foo | Hm, I did apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update but I'm still getting the W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: .... - any ideas? |
| 21:18.27 | eth01 | TYPO ** |
| 21:18.28 | josh_ | he |
| 21:18.39 | josh_ | gotta love dpkg's defrag spout |
| 21:18.41 | josh_ | :> |
| 21:18.42 | mythomaniac | anyone familiar with the update-rc.d program |
| 21:18.49 | snacky | eth01: I mean the one about using correct english at all times |
| 21:18.50 | eth01 | well yeah, the bot talks crap. |
| 21:18.59 | eth01 | snacky: indeed :) |
| 21:19.02 | dserban | Im' glad your hear xand ! |
| 21:19.04 | foo | snacky: English** |
| 21:19.05 | Clinton__ | google is failing me, can anyone point me to a decent how to on debian package creation? |
| 21:19.10 | dserban | sorry couldn't resist |
| 21:19.12 | eth01 | foo: indeed. |
| 21:19.25 | jelly-home | eth01: someone taught him crap! Anyone's invited to fix the factoids, though. |
| 21:19.35 | jelly-home | er, s/him/it/ |
| 21:19.45 | stew | Clinton__: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
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| 21:20.18 | Clinton__ | stew: ty |
| 21:20.22 | stew | foo: get rid of non-us, its no longer needed |
| 21:20.24 | nootoyahora | hello everybody |
| 21:20.33 | amirf | Hi is it possibale to set a size for "/dev/loop0" ? |
| 21:20.52 | foo | stew: ahh, ok. I knew it was something simple like that. |
| 21:21.01 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble setting up a dial-in ppp server with pap authentication... anyone can help me please? |
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| 21:21.21 | dondelelcaro | amirf: loop always goes to the end of the associated file |
| 21:21.31 | stew | foo: non-us was mostly for crypto which used to not be allowed to be exported from the us, but the us is now allowing it so the crypto stuff has been moved to the main mirrors |
| 21:21.39 | amirf | <dondelelcaro>: please what ? |
| 21:22.11 | dondelelcaro | amirf: if you want the file associated with the loop device to be smaller than its actual size, make it smaller. |
| 21:22.36 | foo | stew: ahh, I see. Thanks for the explanation! |
| 21:22.38 | amirf | <dondelelcaro>:got u 10x |
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| 21:22.51 | foo | dondelelcaro: Submitted a talk for SCALE this year? |
| 21:23.03 | kalleskaviar | stew, yeah and a good policy it was. I mean the horror if Norway used imported crypto libraries to invade, ehh ? |
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| 21:23.31 | moope1 | hello |
| 21:23.51 | moope1 | [OT] anyone installed the new gibbon? |
| 21:23.54 | rockj | Hum, does python-maintainer of debian hang on a special channel? Im looking for mod_wsgi apache2 module for debian etch , hoped maybe they had a nice package or something? :) |
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| 21:24.18 | Ronin | moope1: ubuntu? |
| 21:24.21 | Killavus | Yay |
| 21:24.25 | Killavus | that's a joke, isn't it? |
| 21:24.31 | moope1 | Ronin: yars |
| 21:24.34 | Killavus | My Sid propose a delete of aptitude |
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| 21:24.36 | jelly-home | kalleskaviar: The NERVE of those folks, they removed the _only_ piece of debian that wasn't US centric! |
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| 21:24.46 | Ronin | moope1: #ubutnu would be a better place to ask taht |
| 21:24.46 | Ace2016 | i'm back |
| 21:24.46 | Killavus | because of dependency conflict |
| 21:24.47 | Killavus | :D |
| 21:24.56 | Ronin | umm s/that/taht |
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| 21:25.16 | moope1 | Ronin: no, ubuntu is an intrinsically bad place to ask that |
| 21:25.19 | eth01 | can you drag and drop themes to GDM Setup? |
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| 21:25.34 | jelly-home | moope1: something like ##linux then? |
| 21:25.47 | Ronin | moope1: not really, it gibbon is ubuntu that's the perfect place to ask, or ##linux as jelly-home beat me to suggesting |
| 21:25.59 | moope1 | Ronin: a) I would like an answer b) if I receive an answer I would like it to be from someone who might know what he is talking about |
| 21:26.09 | hark | Killavus: yeah, new apt going in |
| 21:26.21 | stew | moope1: its offtopic for this channel, please try one of the alternatly suggested channels |
| 21:26.25 | Ronin | moope1: what makes you think #debian is a good place to ask though? |
| 21:26.27 | jelly-home | moope1: a debian support channel, however, is not the correct place to ask |
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| 21:27.11 | moope1 | no sweat, I was thinking you guys might have ubuntu on your lappy and have recently upgraded and foun it to be a peice of shit/ |
| 21:27.22 | stew | moope1: please drop it |
| 21:27.57 | TheLittleWitch|a | is there a package so i can get the source code in /usr/src/linux That my orginal etch kernel is based on ? |
| 21:27.58 | eth01 | hmm that's odd. i've dragged it into GDM setup, and i select the theme and it doesn't display it :/ |
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| 21:28.16 | abrotman | TheLittleWitch|a: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 21:28.18 | kalleskaviar | moope1, yes I installed it, yes on a laptop, yes it was found to be a p-o-s. |
| 21:28.31 | abrotman | kalleskaviar: go to #ubuntu with him if you'd like to discuss it |
| 21:28.37 | waltz | what would the entry for "mount -o loop /path/to.iso /mountpoint" in /etc/fstab look like? |
| 21:28.58 | moope1 | kalleskaviar: ;) |
| 21:29.07 | stew | waltz: /path/to/iso /mountpoint auto loop 0 0 |
| 21:29.20 | waltz | rgr |
| 21:29.29 | TheLittleWitch|a | abrotman: i did that :) But only gave me a tar.bz2 file, maybe i just need to untar and that is all |
| 21:29.45 | abrotman | TheLittleWitch|a: yes .. that'd do it |
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| 21:32.00 | eth01 | opps. i've closed my bar at the top? |
| 21:32.04 | eth01 | deleted the window. |
| 21:32.08 | eth01 | how do i get it back :/ |
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| 21:32.45 | eth01 | i guess restart gnome. |
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| 21:33.36 | Lukemob | hello guys... |
| 21:33.52 | Lukemob | does have iptables anything to do with ipmasq? |
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| 21:34.10 | xlotlu | whoa, keymappings are messed up |
| 21:34.39 | petemc | Lukemob: yes |
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| 21:34.53 | stew | Lukemob: iptables is the userspace program used to control the linux firewall (called netfilter). so anything that is setting up masquerading would be doing it by calling iptables commands |
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| 21:35.42 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble setting up a dial-in ppp server with pap authentication... anyone can help me please? |
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| 21:35.51 | Ronin | xlotlu: //msg dpkg weird-keyboard-layout |
| 21:36.28 | Ronin | stew: do we want to add that to the /topic here as well? |
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| 21:36.58 | stew | whahappen |
| 21:37.29 | Ronin | stew: the weird keyboard layout one, seems to be quite popular today |
| 21:37.45 | wols | has been for a few days Ronin |
| 21:38.12 | Ronin | wols: days? heh must be my old age setting in to have missed that |
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| 21:38.34 | wols | Ronin: wasn't known as such. HAL is busted for quite some time now |
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| 21:39.10 | eth01 | yeah, openoffice was in arabic before too... |
| 21:39.14 | eth01 | when it should be english :/ |
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| 21:39.31 | Ronin | eth01: arabic? heh oops :) |
| 21:39.41 | ameyer | eth01: that's random... |
| 21:39.55 | eth01 | i can't even understand it, so how the hell am i suppose to change it :/ |
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| 21:47.44 | claudio` | Can i use the "nvidia" drivers (kernel module) by updating my kernel to 2.6.22 using the backports? |
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| 21:49.10 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble setting up a dial-in ppp server with pap authentication... anyone can help me please? |
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| 21:49.40 | eth01 | o0 |
| 21:49.43 | eth01 | BILL CLINTON? |
| 21:49.44 | eth01 | :P |
| 21:49.59 | claudio` | nootoyahora: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ppp.htm |
| 21:51.40 | nootoyahora | claudio`, gracias, pero veo que no leiste bien mi pregunta... estoy preparando un SERVIDOR de dial-in. no un cliente ;D |
| 21:51.47 | xlotlu | thanks Ronin |
| 21:52.05 | claudio` | nootoyahora: eeeh? |
| 21:52.13 | xand | !es |
| 21:52.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:52.18 | claudio` | nootoyahora: aah, i understand |
| 21:52.50 | nootoyahora | claudio`, orgh, I'm sorry, I was in #debian-es, and I got confused, I'm sorry hahahaha |
| 21:52.59 | claudio` | nootoyahora: i thought you need to connect to your ISP over an analog modem |
| 21:53.05 | nootoyahora | claudio`, I am trying to make a dial-in server |
| 21:53.07 | claudio` | nootoyahora: hehe, no problem |
| 21:53.16 | nootoyahora | claudio`, I'm truying "to be" an isp ;D |
| 21:53.36 | claudio` | nootoyahora: cool, then your document is this: http://developers.sun.com/solaris/technotes/linuxppp.html |
| 21:53.45 | nootoyahora | claudio`, not exactly an isp, but I need to set up a dial-in server |
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| 21:54.18 | nootoyahora | claudio`, I will take a look, but the problem is that I have been working the las 8 days on it, and I cannot set it up... |
| 21:54.30 | claudio` | nootoyahora: what's wrong? |
| 21:54.58 | nootoyahora | claudio`, don't know, if I knew it I will fix it... |
| 21:55.18 | claudio` | nootoyahora: bah.. no errors/warning in LOGs? |
| 21:55.20 | nootoyahora | claudio`, the dial-in server does not answer to the authentication |
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| 21:55.46 | claudio` | nootoyahora: did you configured mgetty & co.? |
| 21:55.51 | nootoyahora | claudio`, no error warnings, it says... wait a minute, I will check the logs of both hosts and 'm purtting up in a pastebin ok? |
| 21:56.02 | claudio` | nootoyahora: uhm.. okay |
| 21:56.23 | nootoyahora | claudio`, I did, megetty is ok, the mgetty picks the line, and the ppp is fire... then authentication fails miserably |
| 21:57.40 | waltz | hmm I don't think this is working; I have the three ISOs mounted as /mnt/debian-cdN but apt-get is not recognizing this |
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| 21:57.57 | waltz | and I have the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:58.00 | claudio` | nootoyahora: mmh.. does the login.config file is configured to use the chap authentication? |
| 21:58.11 | waltz | but every time I invoke apt-get, it wants me to insert a disc into /cdrom/ |
| 21:58.29 | nootoyahora | claudio`, it is configured to use the chap authentication |
| 21:58.32 | claudio` | waltz: your sources.list entries are wrong, i guess. |
| 21:58.38 | nootoyahora | claudio`, it is configured to use the PAP authentication |
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| 21:59.07 | waltz | claudio`: the URI spec should be cdrom y/n? |
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| 21:59.28 | waltz | I guess I need to make apt-get aware of the different mount point |
| 21:59.31 | waltz | but how? |
| 21:59.57 | xand | you could copy the files into the apt cache |
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| 22:00.05 | xand | I think |
| 22:00.24 | waltz | that doesn't work |
| 22:00.43 | claudio` | waltz: you just have to insert the path where each ISO is mounted on, or alternatively you have to configure /etc/fstab in order to mount these ISOs in loop somewhere and tell apt to use that |
| 22:00.49 | waltz | "W: couldn't stat source package list cdrom: ...etc" |
| 22:00.51 | troobie | waltz: are you using a netinstall CD? |
| 22:01.03 | troobie | I mean is that what you used at first |
| 22:01.22 | waltz | no, I bought CDs with everything on them, the full dist |
| 22:01.59 | waltz | I cp'd them into a local directory and mounted them at boot-time |
| 22:02.11 | Lukemob | where are located the scripts which loads when system starts up? |
| 22:02.22 | troobie | Ah cos I remember that when I used the standard CD it seemed to ask me for it to be present quite alot - depending what I was installing. I never did figure out why. |
| 22:02.25 | claudio` | Lukemob: /etc/*.d |
| 22:02.39 | claudio` | Lukemob: /etc/init.d to be precise. |
| 22:02.44 | troobie | But when I used the Netinstall CD it stopped being so annoying |
| 22:02.49 | waltz | troobie: well, the idea here is to use the images from the hard disk |
| 22:03.14 | troobie | Ah right |
| 22:03.55 | waltz | anyone know? stew? wols? |
| 22:03.58 | nootoyahora | claudio, here yo have the /var/log/syslog of both computershttp://pastebin.com/m35bc504e |
| 22:04.02 | nootoyahora | claudio, here yo have the /var/log/syslog of both computers http://pastebin.com/m35bc504e |
| 22:04.19 | Lukemob | claudio`, well, if I want to make a script which will be executed when the system starts, where do I put it? |
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| 22:04.31 | Asmooh | hiii |
| 22:04.36 | claudio` | Lukemob: update-rc.d(8) |
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| 22:04.53 | claudio` | Lukemob: you may find interesting /etc/rc.local too. |
| 22:04.54 | Asmooh | does anyone have a KDE4 mirror? for apt? i want to test it ;) |
| 22:04.56 | stew | waltz: dunno, i'd look at apt-cdrom |
| 22:05.06 | waltz | so, I can add the sources via "apt-cdrom -d=/mnt/debian-cdN add" but it fails to add the cdrom mountpoint to the sources.list |
| 22:05.21 | claudio` | Asmooh: we are sad for you :-P |
| 22:05.26 | Asmooh | :( |
| 22:05.43 | Asmooh | no debian port? not even experimental? |
| 22:05.46 | waltz | :( |
| 22:06.05 | claudio` | nootoyahora: don't seems to contains errors/warnings |
| 22:06.41 | stew | Asmooh: ask #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 22:06.48 | nootoyahora | claudio`, maybe, so I think is a misconfiguration but, after 4 days I have given up :( and I pray for help! :) |
| 22:06.53 | Asmooh | ok cool |
| 22:06.54 | claudio` | nootoyahora: the line 79 is suspected but i really don't know what's the problem |
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| 22:07.08 | claudio` | nootoyahora: just clear the whole configuration and follow a better howto. |
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| 22:07.17 | stew | waltz: add the entry to sources.list by hand then? |
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| 22:07.37 | stew | waltz: or perhaps add a file entry to sources.list |
| 22:07.39 | waltz | stew: tried that |
| 22:07.41 | petemc | deb file:///mnt/debian-cdN ./ |
| 22:07.51 | nootoyahora | claudio`, I guess I don't understand very well the /etc/pp/pap-secrets file... do you understand it? |
| 22:08.03 | h3sp4wn | Asmooh: The libs were in experimental |
| 22:08.22 | Asmooh | but the rest? |
| 22:08.33 | claudio` | nootoyahora: don't seems to be complex. It generally contains only usernames and password. |
| 22:08.46 | Asmooh | experimental == sid? |
| 22:08.50 | xand | denied |
| 22:08.51 | claudio` | Asmooh: yes |
| 22:09.00 | h3sp4wn | Asmooh: Its not sid |
| 22:09.01 | xand | unstable == sid |
| 22:09.05 | Asmooh | ah |
| 22:09.16 | claudio` | xand: does experimental is == unstable? |
| 22:09.20 | nootoyahora | claudio`, the problem is about having to be that users users of the dial-in machine and like that... Have you ever setted up a dial in access? |
| 22:09.23 | xand | claudio`: no |
| 22:09.30 | claudio` | xand: wtf is experimental? |
| 22:09.31 | xand | !experimental |
| 22:09.32 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 22:09.47 | stew | claudio`: its where developer put stuff that might be too broken to put into unstable |
| 22:09.55 | Asmooh | can i add package.debian.org/experimental to my sources.list? :P |
| 22:10.00 | wols | nootoyahora: you don't really need to change anything in pap-secrets: # Every regular user can use PPP and has to use passwords from /etc/passwd |
| 22:10.06 | xand | Asmooh: see the above. |
| 22:10.10 | waltz | petemc: what is ./ for? apt-cache complains about a malformed line "absolute dist" |
| 22:10.14 | claudio` | stew: completely new to me. THX |
| 22:10.22 | h3sp4wn | In this case it is broien and changing so fast any binary release is pointless |
| 22:10.26 | h3sp4wn | *broken |
| 22:10.30 | Asmooh | i know xan |
| 22:10.32 | petemc | waltz: try it without it, i guess.. |
| 22:10.38 | Asmooh | but i use sid already |
| 22:10.39 | h3sp4wn | Asmooh: Just build it from svn |
| 22:10.44 | nootoyahora | wols in the dial-in server I don't change anything too? |
| 22:11.14 | waltz | no go :( |
| 22:11.38 | wols | nootoyahora: why would you? |
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| 22:12.28 | petemc | waltz: try "etch main" instead |
| 22:12.42 | nootoyahora | wols and if I ever wanted to dial-in with a user that is not a system user? |
| 22:13.16 | wols | then you need to specify that. but: how about getting the simple case working first before you go on to the more complicated things? |
| 22:13.43 | waltz | petemc: still with the file URI spec right? |
| 22:13.52 | petemc | yeah |
| 22:14.08 | waltz | and then apt-cache gencaches? |
| 22:14.29 | petemc | waltz: apt-get update |
| 22:14.40 | nootoyahora | wols, you're right man, I'm trying to make it without changing anything to the pap-secrets |
| 22:14.50 | waltz | woah. |
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| 22:16.51 | waltz | http://pastebin.ca/749770 |
| 22:16.58 | waltz | good/bad/ugly? :\ |
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| 22:18.19 | petemc | waltz: not good |
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| 22:18.41 | waltz | ;*( |
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| 22:22.25 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:22.41 | waltz | what can I do? |
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| 22:23.52 | nootoyahora | wols, that's waht I get, more of the same http://pastebin.com/m14ce5b09 |
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| 22:29.38 | nootoyahora | claudio`, that's waht I get, more of the same http://pastebin.com/m14ce5b09 |
| 22:30.35 | claudio` | nootoyahora: that's the same output as above |
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| 22:31.23 | marc7 | anybody familiar with vconfig for setting up vlans on debian? |
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| 22:31.56 | Borbus | Tramp, if you're still there, it didn't work, my script didn't even touch a new a file in /tmp |
| 22:32.04 | nootoyahora | claudio`, ehm... yes, but I did what wols told me, leaving the pap-secrets file "as is"... I have read some tutorial, everyone ofo them seems to say the same things, and I have checked everything, and it does not work... |
| 22:32.27 | Borbus | I must be missing something.. |
| 22:32.34 | Tramp | Borbus: What happens if you run the line from /etc/crontab (run-parts...) manually? |
| 22:33.24 | claudio` | nootoyahora: can you post the client LOgs? |
| 22:33.42 | Borbus | Tramp, you mean put it in there like 17 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /home/borbus/script.sh ? |
| 22:34.08 | Tramp | Borbus: no |
| 22:34.19 | Borbus | Oh. |
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| 22:34.26 | Tramp | Borbus: in a root-shell, run "run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" |
| 22:34.26 | nootoyahora | claudio`, yes, in my first posting there were the two logs, the server log and the client log http://pastebin.com/m35bc504e (amaterasu is the dial-in server and mobile is the client) |
| 22:34.34 | Borbus | Oh, ok |
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| 22:35.10 | Borbus | Nothing.. |
| 22:36.12 | Borbus | But in /etc/cron.hourly there is: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 270 2007-10-25 21:59 420.sh |
| 22:36.29 | claudio` | nootoyahora: i think something is wrong in the server but, to be honest, i don't know what. |
| 22:37.17 | Tramp | Borbus: hang on for a minute, I have to check sth. |
| 22:38.59 | Tramp | Borbus: name it 420 |
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| 22:39.05 | Tramp | Borbus: not 420.sh |
| 22:39.08 | nootoyahora | claudio`, that is waht I was thinking, that the servers don't authnticate the client (or itselfs to the client) and then the client hangs up but... I don't know what is wrong I'm afraid... |
| 22:39.09 | Borbus | Ok |
| 22:39.24 | nootoyahora | claudio`, thanks for all :) |
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| 22:39.37 | Tramp | Borbus: check the manpage for run-parts. There are constrictions on the names the files may have. |
| 22:39.40 | Borbus | Tramp, worked! |
| 22:40.06 | Borbus | Damn.. I swear I had something called called *.sh in there before |
| 22:40.15 | Tramp | Borbus: Yea. Shame on me for not remembering it immediately. I knew it once but forgot it. |
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| 22:40.27 | Borbus | I didn't even know it used run-parts to do it.. well you learn something new... |
| 22:40.29 | claudio` | nootoyahora: np |
| 22:40.37 | Borbus | Tramp, thanks! |
| 22:40.51 | nootoyahora | claudio`, what does it mean np? (no problem?) |
| 22:40.55 | Tramp | np. |
| 22:41.27 | claudio` | nootoyahora: yes. wtf(1) may be helpfule. |
| 22:41.31 | claudio` | s/helpfule/helpful |
| 22:41.50 | nootoyahora | claudio`, ehm waht's wtf? |
| 22:42.01 | nootoyahora | what the f*ck? |
| 22:42.08 | kalleskaviar | or non-deterministic polynomial-time |
| 22:42.10 | claudio` | nootoyahora: WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 22:42.23 | nootoyahora | claudio`, xD |
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| 22:43.18 | amphi | claudio`: wtf(6) actually ;) |
| 22:43.53 | claudio` | amphi: yes, you are right. It's a game ;) |
| 22:44.16 | amphi | with extra syntactic sugar! |
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| 22:47.42 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 22:48.03 | Nazcafan | I don't get the differences between the kochi and sazanami font family packages |
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| 22:48.42 | Nazcafan | They seem to provide identical gothic and Mincho fonts |
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| 22:50.45 | gribouille | hi |
| 22:50.54 | gribouille | what does dpkg-buildpackage -S create exaclty ? |
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| 22:52.37 | mikefoo | Anyone use squirrelmail? foes some reason my filter for X-Spam-Status: Yes, just doesn't work.. everything goes to either my SPAM folder, or my inbox.. its wierd. |
| 22:55.11 | pickcoder | mikefoo: have you verified the header content is "X-Spam-Status: Yes" and there is no additional info there? |
| 22:55.26 | pickcoder | like spam score, rule ratings, etc |
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| 22:58.32 | xand | what does squirrelmail have to do with spam filtering? |
| 22:58.52 | xand | :| |
| 22:59.26 | chris__ | cya |
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| 23:03.42 | gribouille | what does dpkg-buildpackage -S create exaclty ? |
| 23:04.01 | tuv | i don't get this. easytag is supposed to write id3v2 (v2.4) tags, though id3v2 shows only v1 tags! even stranger: bmpx musicbrainz tags are not shown at all with id3v2. whose fault is this? |
| 23:04.57 | snacky | sorry, that was my fault |
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| 23:06.42 | tuv | what is a standard-conforming tool for writing id3 (v1 & v2) tags? |
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| 23:07.44 | stew | tuv: apt-cache show id3 |
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| 23:08.35 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 23:08.51 | tuv | stew, that's where i started. then i ran into tools that apparently add v2 tags differently |
| 23:08.53 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 23:09.02 | Azar | mister tarzeau! :) |
| 23:09.09 | tarzeau | i have packaged NeL! |
| 23:09.19 | Azar | oh MY GOD! :) |
| 23:09.23 | Azar | nice |
| 23:09.27 | tarzeau | you know it? |
| 23:09.28 | tuv | stew, i add tags with easytag with v1 and v2 enabled, then try id3v2 to list the tags on the tagged file to find that only v1 tags are there |
| 23:09.29 | Azar | runs on sarge? |
| 23:09.38 | Azar | uh no but I assume is a game? |
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| 23:09.44 | tarzeau | Azar: might. you still don't have etch? |
| 23:09.51 | Azar | tarzeau: not yet.. |
| 23:09.57 | RudyValencia | Hey |
| 23:09.59 | tarzeau | Azar: it's a library for games like Snowballs or www.mtp-target.org |
| 23:10.11 | Azar | how cool! |
| 23:10.23 | RudyValencia | I got my network working now! |
| 23:10.31 | RudyValencia | I think something messed up my CMOS |
| 23:10.31 | JordiGH | Yay, the fglrx driver in etch blanked out the lapppy's screen and froze everything. :-/ |
| 23:10.45 | RudyValencia | after I reset the CMOS it works again! |
| 23:10.45 | RudyValencia | :D |
| 23:10.48 | tarzeau | JordiGH: all fglrx drivers do that from time to time :) |
| 23:10.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: you don't have nvidia? |
| 23:10.57 | brahmin | cout << "hello world!" |
| 23:10.59 | Tramp | tuv: iirc easytag writes v2.3 tags fine (check the config) for v2.4 try eyeD3 |
| 23:11.05 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I'd have Intel, if I had a choice. |
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| 23:11.16 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I'm setting up someone's lappy. |
| 23:11.16 | RudyValencia | Azar: remember last night I was having problems with my onboard LAN not working? |
| 23:11.18 | tarzeau | JordiGH: but intel is not fast enough for certain 3d software? |
| 23:11.25 | Azar | ew @ cout, dialect |
| 23:11.26 | tuv | Tramp, config. shows an option for choosing v2.3 or v2.4 |
| 23:11.37 | Azar | RudyValencia: yes, it works now? |
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| 23:11.55 | tuv | Tramp, any experience with id3v2 (a tool, btw)? |
| 23:12.00 | JordiGH | tarzea: It's fast enough for Nexuiz. |
| 23:12.01 | RudyValencia | Azar: Yeah, all I had to do was reset the CMOS |
| 23:12.15 | Azar | RudyValencia: damn, amazing little things.. |
| 23:12.15 | RudyValencia | I don't know why that worked but it did |
| 23:12.20 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and brutalchess? sauerbraten? funguloids? bloboats? |
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| 23:12.42 | RudyValencia | yay! |
| 23:12.44 | JordiGH | tarzeau: sauerbraten was fine last time I tried it. I haven't played your other games yet. :-) |
| 23:12.50 | Azar | RudyValencia: thats usually the pain, small things that we never think could happen... |
| 23:12.50 | Tramp | tuv: no. Which version of easytag are you referring to? |
| 23:13.08 | tuv | Tramp, 2.1.2 from testing |
| 23:13.12 | RudyValencia | Azar: hehe |
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| 23:13.17 | JordiGH | Oh, hey. The fglrx driver worked this time. I didn't do anything. |
| 23:13.17 | RudyValencia | so yay! |
| 23:13.19 | RudyValencia | :) |
| 23:13.26 | Azar | tarzeau: I played sauerbraten! is cool! |
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| 23:13.46 | tarzeau | Azar: with how many players? it can be so funny in some levels... |
| 23:13.51 | brahmin | gheh is there any hint for good IPtables tutorial? |
| 23:13.53 | Azar | RudyValencia: and meh thinking that only a Woody>Sarge>Etch would do it hahaha |
| 23:13.56 | Tramp | tuv: ok then. But it appears not to work, if I understand you correctly then. |
| 23:14.00 | JordiGH | RudyValencia: I predict lockups and freezing and such amusements in the future for this. |
| 23:14.07 | Azar | tarzeau: only two: me and my brother |
| 23:14.18 | JordiGH | RudyValencia: Oh, you weren't cheering for me. n/m |
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| 23:14.45 | tarzeau | when does debian get 2.6.23 or 2.6.23.1 linux kernels? |
| 23:14.50 | RudyValencia | Azar: It's a wonder what starting over with a refreshed mind will do too |
| 23:14.59 | Azar | brahmin: I have something, holdon |
| 23:15.01 | JordiGH | tarzeau: When they're packaged? |
| 23:15.42 | JordiGH | Now, as for installing compiz fusion... |
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| 23:16.12 | tuv | Tramp, you're right.. i changed the option of easytag to use v2.3 instead of v2.4 and now id3v2 shows the tags. either id3v2 can't see v2.4 tags or easytag doesn't write them |
| 23:17.20 | Tramp | tuv: hmm, maybe something broken with the 2.4 handling in easytag. As you see, it's quite new (not in 2.1(.0)). |
| 23:17.32 | JordiGH | Hm, where are those Debian repos for Compiz Fusion that amphi was talking about? |
| 23:17.42 | brahmin | Azar: ok..holding ;) |
| 23:17.53 | Azar | brahmin: well what I have is for Debian Sarge but I thing the basics apply to Etch as well: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_iptables_sarge |
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| 23:19.12 | Tramp | tuv: it was added in 2.1.1 and in 2.1.3 bug(s) were fixed. Though probably not perfect yet. |
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| 23:20.09 | brahmin | Azar: thx |
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| 23:20.17 | Azar | brahmin: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Iptables_Firewall < more clear |
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| 23:20.39 | tuv | Tramp, I see.. is there a way to tell which version (2.3 or 2.4) the tags in a particular file are? |
| 23:20.59 | Tramp | tuv: try eyeD3. I think it can. |
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| 23:21.04 | gribouille | hi |
| 23:21.28 | gribouille | what is the equivalent of .src.rpm for dpkg ? |
| 23:21.33 | AndroidDat1 | Hi. In my router, I have ports 1-2000 forwarded to my linux machine. This all works fine and dandy, but now I want to forward ports to another computer on my network using that Linux machine, not the router. Is there a way to do this? |
| 23:21.43 | Tramp | tuv: Up to now I write 2.3 with easytag, then use eyeD3 to convert to 2.4 and add it to my collection. |
| 23:21.48 | |adrian| | can anyone point me to a post on making volume buttons work on dell latitude d810 |
| 23:21.49 | |adrian| | ??? |
| 23:22.11 | tuv | Tramp, yeah.. easytag is pretty nice |
| 23:22.55 | tuv | |adrian|, do you have the acpi-support package installed? |
| 23:22.55 | Tramp | tuv: Yes, it is. Great interface (also for renaming etc.). - eyeD3 -v will show you everything, including the Version |
| 23:23.15 | |adrian| | i guess |
| 23:23.22 | |adrian| | netinstall lenny |
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| 23:24.16 | brahmin | good night |
| 23:24.17 | |adrian| | i have installed i8kutils but doesn`t help |
| 23:24.56 | |adrian| | and i have configured x to use as kb layout dell latitude series kb |
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| 23:25.23 | JordiGH | Ok, fglrx is working... Eh, what else needs to be done? Added Option "Composite" "Enable" to xorg.conf... there was something else... |
| 23:25.35 | mike1o | how do I find the LIBS and Cflags of a package? |
| 23:26.29 | gribouille | what is the equivalent of .src.rpm for dpkg ? |
| 23:26.54 | stew | mike1o: libs would be shown by "apt-cache show packagename" in the Depends: line. if you need to see the cflags, you'll have to look at debian/rules in the source: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 23:28.17 | stew | gribouille: there is a .dsc which points to a .tar.gz and maybe .diff.gz, the tar is extracted, and if there is a diff.gz it is applied, then the source should contain a debian/ directory with the instructions needed to build the .debs |
| 23:28.20 | JordiGH | gribouille: What's a .src.rpm? A source package? |
| 23:28.29 | JordiGH | Well, what stew said. |
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| 23:28.45 | gribouille | JordiGH, yes |
| 23:30.00 | JordiGH | .rpm is dead. |
| 23:30.04 | JordiGH | Long live apt! |
| 23:30.15 | gribouille | stew, it's a bit strange that all these files are not packaged together |
| 23:30.53 | tuv | Tramp, ok.. there is a good chance easytag is writing proper v2.4 tags. i verified the problem is with id3v2. i used bmpx to write musicbrainz tags on a file and then id3v2 showed no tags at all while eyeD3 showed v2.4 tags ! |
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| 23:31.38 | Tramp | tuv: Oh, thanks for the Info. Thats great news. Looks like I can update my easytag then 8) |
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| 23:31.45 | stew | gribouille: they always are available in the same place. in most cases, the .tar.gz is named an .orig.tar.gz which is a completely unmodified source tarball from upstream, so that all the changes and additions that debian makes can be seen separately in the .diff.gz |
| 23:32.16 | tuv | Tramp, thanks for introducing eyed3 to me ;) |
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| 23:33.35 | stew | gribouille: part of the benefit of having the .orig.tar.gz separate is that when debian makes a new revision of the source package without changing the upstream version, only the new .diff.gz has to be distributed, not then entire tarball |
| 23:33.39 | JordiGH | How do I enable Xgl? |
| 23:34.17 | JordiGH | or should I use AIGLX? |
| 23:34.25 | gribouille | stew, ok |
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| 23:34.44 | stew | JordiGH: xgl isn't something you enable, its a comletely separate x server |
| 23:34.53 | stew | JordiGH: you should use aiglx if it is supported by your driver |
| 23:35.07 | JordiGH | stew: fglrx, I guess I'll use aiglx. |
| 23:37.02 | waltz | you know, I really wish someone had told me that apt-get prefers CD sources, always |
| 23:37.11 | waltz | heh, so, problem solved by commenting out the CD sources |
| 23:38.09 | stew | the manpage would have told you :) |
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| 23:38.47 | stew | oh wait, i misread what you were saying, i don't think cd sources are preferred |
| 23:38.59 | waltz | hm? |
| 23:39.00 | stew | waltz: it just matters what order they are in in the file |
| 23:39.01 | tuv | Tramp, nope.. something is wrong with easytag v2.4. it reads v2.4 tags, but when it writes them eyeD3 -v breaks although easytag can read them back |
| 23:40.08 | Tramp | hmmm. Bummer then 8(. But maybe it's eyeD3 then which gives trouble. What is your application which "really" reads the tags? |
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| 23:41.19 | Tramp | tuv: For me it's most important that Rockbox on my HW-Player can read it. This would be the relevant criteria for me.. |
| 23:41.35 | Lightning | i recently installed debian. in gnome, the screensaver will start then after a period of time (havent timed it) the system locks up. any ideas why? |
| 23:41.54 | Lightning | ctrl-alt-f1 does not get me a console. it is completely unresponsive |
| 23:41.58 | Tramp | tuv: So if easytag and eyeD3 differ on details of the specification, I would not care too much. |
| 23:42.06 | waltz | stew: oh, well, the cdrom URI specifications were causing errors for me |
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| 23:43.57 | tuv | Tramp, well.. easytag doesn't seem to like eyeD3-converted v2.4 tags either.. so another criteria is needed indeed. i'd prefer to stick with the most standard-compliant, if i had a clue |
| 23:44.24 | BlueToothz | how can i make a tar file or is that not #debian related? is it something to do with tar -cvzf ? |
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| 23:44.51 | Lightning | tar zcvf mytar.tar.gz * |
| 23:44.53 | Tramp | tuv: Well "most standard complient" sounds nice but may fail the reality test 8) |
| 23:44.58 | Lightning | that would tar and gzip the current directory |
| 23:45.21 | BlueToothz | thanks LightKnight |
| 23:45.25 | BlueToothz | oops |
| 23:45.29 | BlueToothz | Lightning, |
| 23:45.35 | LightKnight | :-) |
| 23:45.49 | tuv | Tramp, it seems i better off stick with v2.3 for now :/ |
| 23:45.56 | Lightning | remove the z if you just want a tar |
| 23:45.58 | tuv | s/i/i'm |
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| 23:46.06 | tuv | oh |
| 23:46.20 | BlueToothz | thanks again |
| 23:46.26 | Lightning | np |
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| 23:51.49 | gribouille | stew, when creating a binary package, how does dpkg know the files that wil be copied on the system ? |
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| 23:53.10 | stew | gribouille: at the end of the build process, all of the files in debian/packagename will be tarred up. when the packages is installed this tarball is extracted in / |
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| 23:53.55 | JordiGH | Weird. If I enable composite extensions, I lose direct rendering. :-( |
| 23:54.25 | gribouille | stew, do you know a good manual about creating .Deb packages ? |
| 23:54.39 | stew | gribouille: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 23:54.41 | tarzeau | gribouille: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 23:55.53 | JordiGH | The fglrx driver in etch's non-free is old, right? Think I'd get better results with a newer fglrx? :-/ |
| 23:56.23 | gkiagia | JordiGH: only the latest fglrx supports direct rendering with composite |
| 23:56.34 | sn0 | JordiGH new fglrx (just out) supports aiglx and lots of performance fixes, so i would definately try a newer version |
| 23:56.37 | gkiagia | and the one in etch is out-of date for sure |
| 23:56.45 | JordiGH | Bleh. |
| 23:56.50 | JordiGH | Is it easy to install? |
| 23:57.01 | sn0 | i haven't tried the tool 'envy' but apparently it works for debian as well as ubuntu |
| 23:57.04 | JordiGH | Or, "update"? |
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| 23:57.30 | JordiGH | I'm gonna have to figure out how to remove the one I installed and look for a newer one. |
| 23:58.03 | JordiGH | When is ATI gonna release free drivers already? Or was it just specs they were releasing? |
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| 23:58.33 | sn0 | amd released specs for the 2d portion JordiGH , its coming along nicely, 3d specs haven't been released yet |
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| 23:59.49 | tuv | Tramp, latest update: v2.4 tags written by easytag ARE recognized by eyeD3 only if they are written using UTF-8. it was being written using UTF-16 and then they were not recognized by eyeD3 |
