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| 00:01.00 | RudyValencia | How do I switch between two programs both launched via screen? |
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| 00:01.28 | tuv | so i guess all is good |
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| 00:02.33 | SamuraiDio | my aptitude is gimming errors when trying to install something... |
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| 00:03.12 | JordiGH | SamuraiDio: Do you know what our next question is going to be for you? |
| 00:03.21 | JeffH | I just installed a new network card in my linux box.. Is there a way to probe and get it setup? |
| 00:03.41 | JordiGH | JeffH: A wireful card? |
| 00:03.49 | JeffH | yes |
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| 00:04.00 | JordiGH | JeffH: Didn't it just work when you boot? I guess not... |
| 00:04.20 | tuv | Tramp, latest update: v2.4 tags written by easytag ARE recognized by eyeD3 only if they are written using UTF-8. it was being written using UTF-16 and then they were not recognized by eyeD3 |
| 00:04.22 | tuv | so i guess all is good |
| 00:04.32 | JeffH | JordiGH: dunno.. didn't think to do an ifconfig to see.. just a sec. |
| 00:04.40 | SamuraiDio | JordiGH, lemme try to update again and i'll post the error |
| 00:05.03 | JeffH | nope.. no eth1 in my box. |
| 00:05.41 | Tramp | tuv: uh, ok. So the encoding is important as well. This tagging stuff really is more complicated than it should be ... |
| 00:05.52 | hark | JeffH: checked with ifconfig -a ? |
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| 00:06.22 | Tramp | tuv: eyeD3 has a --set-encoding option ... |
| 00:06.25 | JeffH | hark: hey.. look at that.. :) |
| 00:06.38 | Tramp | tuv: ah |
| 00:06.42 | JeffH | Is there a menu based method to setup my network card? |
| 00:06.49 | tuv | Tramp, the good news is that easytag is the most comprehensive solution. it detects the proper encoding on its own |
| 00:07.19 | Tramp | tuv: so for eyeD3 you give the "--set-encoding" - option, right? it is not autodetected? |
| 00:07.54 | tuv | Tramp, didn't try --set-encoding at all. but without it eyeD3 breaks if UTF-16 is used |
| 00:08.07 | tuv | eyeD3 -v that is |
| 00:09.15 | hark | JeffH: no, but it's simple enough. /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 00:10.14 | Tramp | tuv: hmm. ok. But this sounds not too bad then. Just always use UTF-8 and everything should be fine. Sounds good enough to me. |
| 00:10.46 | tuv | Tramp, exactly.. much better than incompatible tag formats! |
| 00:11.20 | Tramp | tuv: But easytag stills fails to read the eyeD3 converted Tags? |
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| 00:11.45 | tuv | Tramp, no.. easytag comes out perfect |
| 00:11.58 | Tramp | ah, ok then. |
| 00:12.03 | dto | what does it mean when attempting to umount a flash drive causes umount to segfault? |
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| 00:12.39 | waltz | has inetd been moved? |
| 00:12.47 | waltz | it's not in /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:12.55 | tuv | Tramp, easytag justed suggested saving the eyeD3-converted file when it was set to UTF-16 as the file is not in the format easytag would have it to |
| 00:13.20 | Tramp | *g* picky bitch |
| 00:13.38 | dto | oh, it's mounted multiple times.... how do i undo that? |
| 00:13.44 | stew | waltz: openbsd-inetd |
| 00:14.02 | waltz | o, right |
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| 00:15.13 | tuv | Tramp, picky, but consistent. i wouldn't want my files with mixed id3 versions |
| 00:15.18 | tuv | version/encodings |
| 00:15.19 | JordiGH | Am I the only one who gets annoyed when it gets called X Windows? |
| 00:15.29 | JordiGH | Or is this becoming standard now? |
| 00:15.47 | JeffH | Is there a way to determine whether my gigE card is working at gigE speeds and that jumbo frames are being used?' |
| 00:15.56 | bolt | by doing "xset dpms 5 0 0" i can get my lcd monitor to turn completely off after 5 seconds (short delay for testing purposes). However, it doesn't come back on when I wiggle the mouse or press a key. I have to type xset dpms force on to wake it up again. What can I do about this? |
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| 00:16.59 | JordiGH | To those who mentioned "the latest fglrx", where do I get that? It's a pain to navigate the ATI/AMD website. |
| 00:17.37 | Tramp | tuv: ah, so you converted with eyeD3 to UTF-16, then read with easytag, option set to UTF-8 and it could read it but wanted to change |
| 00:18.14 | tuv | Tramp, right, except it was the reverse. eyeD3 converted to UTF-8 while easytag was set to use UTF-16 |
| 00:19.16 | tuv | Tramp, that's why saving with easytag broke eyeD3 (UTF-16 couldn't be read by eyeD3, never tried --set-encoding). then changing easytag to use UTF-8 resolved that |
| 00:20.35 | Tramp | tuv: ah ok. I just verified that the new easytag could read my eyeD3-converted stuff, but it also marks the files as "changed" |
| 00:21.13 | tuv | Tramp, does it mark them as changed even when it's set to use UTF-8? |
| 00:21.35 | Tramp | tuv: Yes, tried both 8 and 16 |
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| 00:22.41 | tuv | Tramp, hmm.. then i guess there are some tags it doesn't understand. i see this when i use bmpx to tag off musicbrainz which attaches lots of musicbrainz-specific tags that easytag doesn't understand. it then shows the file as changed and removes musicbrainz tags upon saving |
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| 00:23.24 | k^^a | hello |
| 00:24.19 | waltz | how do I stop gdm from running on system startup? |
| 00:24.24 | CalJohn_ | Xorg is loading the kbd and mouse drivers (so say logs - though I thought I was using evdev...), but is then complaining that there is no matching input drivers. This worked before the powercut. Ideas? |
| 00:24.25 | Tramp | tuv: well, dunno about bmpx. But this Tag-Spec sure seems to be tricky. |
| 00:24.27 | waltz | I assume I have to go into a different runlevel? |
| 00:24.45 | k^^a | If exist official smplayer package for ETCH ? |
| 00:24.45 | waltz | i.e. I don't want to log into a graphical environment |
| 00:25.31 | JordiGH | waltz: all the multiuser runlevels in Debian start up gdm by default. |
| 00:25.37 | CalJohn_ | waltz: what about /etc/default/gdm ? write ENABLE="false" in there? |
| 00:25.47 | CalJohn_ | waltz: that's a bit of a guess |
| 00:25.49 | tuv | Tramp, btw, if you're tagging known commercial albums, i'd recommend using bmpx to auto-tag the files off musicbrainz. it can find the correct tags even if the file does not have any tags and have misleading filename |
| 00:25.52 | waltz | hm |
| 00:26.22 | tuv | Tramp, it uses file fingerprints or some such |
| 00:26.58 | JordiGH | Where is this "newest fglrx"? :-/ |
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| 00:27.09 | JordiGH | Gawd, I hate blobs. |
| 00:27.16 | CalJohn_ | JordiGH: so do i |
| 00:27.30 | Tramp | tuv: Thanks, I will give it a try. I have usually used abcde with freedb, but I think the musicbrainz DB is better these days. |
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| 00:33.18 | waltz | so...? |
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| 00:37.28 | grilled-cheese | has anyone had problems with the new stable official linux kernel? |
| 00:37.52 | waltz | so how do I not start gdm? should I remove gdm? |
| 00:38.01 | grilled-cheese | i accidently broke my modules and am going to have to rebuild and was thinking of switching to the new tickless kernel |
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| 00:39.07 | grilled-cheese | not exactly sure waltz, i would look in /etc/default and see if there is a gdm or X entry there |
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| 00:43.42 | minerale | is there something similar to nbSMTP (from gentoo's repos) in debian? It's a command line client and I specify everything in the command line (ie server to use, auth, password) |
| 00:43.58 | minerale | trying to get mutt to use smtp to send email and it's become a bit harder |
| 00:44.46 | sn0 | minerale nbSMTP is in lenny & sid but not etch |
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| 00:44.55 | lightning | what would cause the whole system to freeze? |
| 00:45.14 | minerale | sn0: it seems that it has few dependencies, can I just download the dpkg and force to install it? |
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| 00:45.54 | Tramp | waltz: There is /etc/X11/default-display-manager. Putting a hash or blank in front of the line should disable gdm |
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| 00:46.45 | waltz | Tramp +2 |
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| 00:47.31 | sn0 | minerale im not sure i would force install it, check the version of libc it needs and if etch has a satisfactory version then just try installing it |
| 00:47.43 | sn0 | i don't believe nbsmtp is in backports either |
| 00:49.04 | sn0 | there is nothing stopping you compiling the source in etch :) |
| 00:49.09 | sn0 | and making a .deb |
| 00:49.12 | minerale | sn0: I could not install it, it conflicts with exim4 which removes mutt if I try to remove it, but I extracted the binary and it runs fine |
| 00:50.09 | minerale | thank god for midnight commander, I never remember how to extract a dpkg file, but you just click on it with mc and it opens |
| 00:50.09 | dpkg | minerale: gern geschehen |
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| 00:53.04 | karsten | minerale: ar -x |
| 00:53.21 | karsten | minerale: contents are gzipped tar files. |
| 00:54.10 | karsten | minerale: man deb(5) |
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| 00:54.28 | JordiGH | man 5 deb, that is |
| 00:54.33 | derek | I cannot get my radeon 9200 to work under my new Debian installation with the fglrx driver. VESA works but I would rather use fglrx. I'm wondering if I need to do something special like a vga command line or apt-get install an older version of fglrx? |
| 00:54.53 | karsten | minerale: That said, yes, mc's virtual filesystems rawk. |
| 00:55.05 | karsten | derek: m-a and fglrx sources |
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| 00:55.16 | karsten | !tell derek about fglrx |
| 00:55.35 | JordiGH | derek: Bah, join the club. :-( I have decided to download the latest fglrx see if I can get Compiz Fusion working. http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html |
| 00:55.46 | IndyGunFreak | I'm using Etch 4.0 w/ Xfce, how do I make the Filesystem Icon go away, I know with gnome, its gconfeditor, but that doesn't seemt o work with Xfce |
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| 00:56.34 | karsten | IndyGunFreak: IIRC one of the Xfce4 utilities is a desktop configurator. Poke around there for what you want. Do you want *all* desktop icons gone? |
| 00:56.59 | IndyGunFreak | karsten: yeah, i was looking throught hat, and messed with it, didn't how i wanted it.. and no, i just want the filesystem icon gone. |
| 00:57.26 | DawnLight | yo |
| 00:58.08 | JordiGH | So now that I'm gonna let ATI do their worst to my beautiful Debian install, how do I remove the fglrx driver I got from Debian's non-free repo? |
| 00:58.36 | DawnLight | JordiGH: you are going to do that? |
| 00:58.52 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Yeah, I'm gonna use ATI's installer. |
| 00:58.58 | DawnLight | :O |
| 00:59.16 | ameyer | good luck |
| 00:59.29 | ameyer | and by good luck I mean AMDTI's pwning you |
| 00:59.47 | ameyer | oh bloody hell |
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| 01:00.16 | DawnLight | we're with you man. we'll be here when you get pwnd |
| 01:00.16 | derek | JordiGH: Let me know if you have any luck with that, I'm downloading it right now but think it's pretty unlikely that it will work |
| 01:00.24 | derek | Looks like I might have to downgrade xserver? |
| 01:00.30 | derek | which I don't know how to do (new Debian user) |
| 01:00.51 | DawnLight | well, debian soesn't support downgrades as such |
| 01:00.58 | karsten | ameyer: w3m is TEH BESTEST EVAR! |
| 01:01.21 | JordiGH | ameyer: Emacs power, oh, brother. |
| 01:01.32 | ameyer | well, not when it gets stuck in a nasty redirect loop |
| 01:01.55 | karsten | ameyer: Well, then, don't do that ;-) |
| 01:02.08 | karsten | ameyer: Usually result of bork3d Javascript IIRC. |
| 01:02.11 | ameyer | not my fault the server's being fucking retarded |
| 01:02.25 | karsten | Yeah, yeah. |
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| 01:02.29 | ameyer | sorry, language |
| 01:02.48 | ameyer | but w3m doesn't deal well with non-cooperative servers |
| 01:02.56 | DawnLight | w3m shows my hebrew ltr |
| 01:02.58 | karsten | w3m's IMVAO the best of the console-mode browsers. Configurable, vim-ish keys, good rendering. |
| 01:03.13 | karsten | DawnLight: Look through teh back of your monitor. |
| 01:03.28 | DawnLight | :-/ |
| 01:03.31 | karsten | DawnLight: ... or file a bug report. |
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| 01:03.56 | DawnLight | in upstream? |
| 01:04.06 | JordiGH | Okay, so how do I remove the thing I installed with Debian? |
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| 01:04.21 | b52laptop | hi |
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| 01:04.28 | JordiGH | Just modprobe -r fglrx? |
| 01:04.33 | DawnLight | JordiGH: aptitude |
| 01:04.35 | b52laptop | ppl any could help me to fix my network problem , i got a /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces correctly spelled , but ping www.google.com give metwork is unreachable but i can ping my router |
| 01:04.49 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Uh, did I install a Debian package of fglrx? I guess I did. |
| 01:05.01 | DawnLight | b52laptop: show us your stuff |
| 01:05.19 | DawnLight | !tell b52laptop about paste |
| 01:05.21 | karsten | DawnLight: In Debian will be fine. |
| 01:05.23 | b52laptop | DawnLight, i don't have iptables , |
| 01:05.34 | b52laptop | ? |
| 01:06.01 | DawnLight | b52laptop: paste your interfaces and resolv.conf |
| 01:06.24 | DawnLight | b52laptop: and the outcome of ifconfig -a as root |
| 01:07.48 | b52laptop | DawnLight, my resolv.con is my routeur (he forward ...) in fact i'm connecte d true 2 machine the one that i use in irc, and the second (off line ) one that have the problem . |
| 01:08.00 | b52laptop | 1 min plz to copy the ifconf output |
| 01:08.25 | waltz | isn't there a fetch on debian? |
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| 01:08.47 | wols | waltz: supposedly doing what? |
| 01:08.55 | waltz | fetching files? |
| 01:08.56 | derek | JordiGH: It didn't work. |
| 01:09.05 | derek | and now how do I get rid of this ATI crap? |
| 01:09.14 | JordiGH | derek: Great. Let's see how I fare. ;-) |
| 01:09.35 | wols | waltz: good answer. as a prize you now are free to answer your own questions |
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| 01:10.06 | DawnLight | derek: follow their documentation on uninstaallation |
| 01:10.09 | militant | morning folks |
| 01:10.10 | waltz | wols: er, sorry |
| 01:10.27 | waltz | wols: fetch is a utility that fetches files remotely via HTTP or FTP |
| 01:10.37 | militant | anyone here have intel gma 950 onboard video on their laptop |
| 01:10.46 | DawnLight | waltz: wget |
| 01:10.53 | waltz | k |
| 01:10.53 | wols | militant: ask real questions, not stupid, fake ones |
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| 01:11.24 | militant | wols: i'm asking because google isn't giving me much on getting the video working right. wondered if anyone had direct experience |
| 01:11.40 | wols | !tell militant about smart questions |
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| 01:12.01 | dondelelcaro | militant: if you tell us what you've tried and what the symptoms are, someone here may be able to assist you |
| 01:13.00 | b52laptop | DawnLight, http://rafb.net/p/wGoWVu37.html sorry for being long i copy from screen i didn't paste loopack conf, eth0 the one that got trouble |
| 01:13.07 | militant | dondelelcaro: alright. i can't get a driver to work better than the vesa, and 1024x768 really sucks :) i'm about to try the intellinuxgraphics.com driver set, and after that, i'll be lost as to what to try next. brb |
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| 01:14.15 | wols | what's wrong with choosing the "intel" driver in drxx? |
| 01:15.08 | wols | b52laptop: he wanted quite some more than just some ifconfig output |
| 01:15.22 | wols | things like your DNS server, default route, etc are all important |
| 01:15.57 | wols | b52laptop: ping 64.233.167.99 Does this work? |
| 01:16.18 | militant | drxx? |
| 01:16.26 | b52laptop | vols i'm connected true a routeur (that how i'm accessing true this machine ) , the routeur do gateway and dns |
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| 01:16.46 | b52laptop | wols, i'm connected true a routeur (that how i'm accessing true this machine ) , the routeur do gateway and dns |
| 01:17.01 | b52laptop | wols, network is unreachable |
| 01:17.15 | DawnLight | b52laptop: your ip is only three parts long. you need a four part ip |
| 01:17.41 | DawnLight | b52laptop: show your interfaces |
| 01:17.55 | b52laptop | DawnLight, just error when i was copying from the other screen i got 4 part :D |
| 01:17.59 | wols | DawnLight: what do you see from a "iface eth0 dhcp" ? |
| 01:18.12 | wols | b52laptop: what is your defaultroute set to? |
| 01:18.26 | wols | b52laptop: and you can access the router, right? just not the internet? |
| 01:19.00 | b52laptop | wols, gatewaty 192.168.1.1 = routeur , yeap i can acess the routeur normally but true my laptopo (ubuntu) not my debian |
| 01:19.08 | b52laptop | my debian i can ping the routeur |
| 01:19.16 | wols | b52laptop: that's not what I asked. what is your defaultroute set to? |
| 01:19.29 | b52laptop | how to know that ? |
| 01:19.37 | wols | and I also ask can your debian connect to the router |
| 01:19.54 | wols | either answer what I ask and not what you make up as my questions or we better stop it |
| 01:20.00 | wols | route |
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| 01:20.26 | b52laptop | yeap i can access true my debian to the routeur web page |
| 01:20.31 | b52laptop | wait copying route result |
| 01:21.08 | b52laptop | destination 192.168.1.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 genmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:21.23 | DawnLight | b52laptop: s/true/through |
| 01:21.34 | b52laptop | DawnLight, ? |
| 01:21.48 | DawnLight | spelled through, not ture |
| 01:21.49 | b52laptop | through :d |
| 01:22.10 | b52laptop | DawnLight, well .... :D (french speaker ... ) |
| 01:22.25 | DawnLight | wi wi |
| 01:22.39 | waltz | arghh, so what package contains the libc header files? |
| 01:22.48 | b52laptop | mais j'aime pas le francais :D |
| 01:22.55 | waltz | !libc |
| 01:22.55 | dpkg | methinks libc is A whopping big collection of libraries that you need if you're going to do anything on your system beyond init. |
| 01:23.02 | waltz | heh |
| 01:23.47 | wols | b52laptop: this "route" line is wrong |
| 01:24.07 | wols | !b-e waltz |
| 01:24.07 | dpkg | waltz: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 01:24.16 | waltz | <3 thanks |
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| 01:24.31 | b52laptop | wols, the gateway part is wrong right ? it should be set to my routeur address ? |
| 01:24.41 | wols | b52laptop: there is a line starting with default. yes or no? |
| 01:24.45 | archie1 | i am installing alsa from source how do i disable all the sound modules that came with the debian install? |
| 01:24.53 | wols | b52laptop: it's the totally wrong line |
| 01:25.12 | wols | !tell archie1 about blacklist |
| 01:25.14 | b52laptop | wols, nop no default |
| 01:25.24 | wols | then you don't have a defaultroute set |
| 01:25.24 | ameyer | wols: well, technically I think I'm right too... |
| 01:25.52 | archie1 | wols: doesnt seem to work ;) |
| 01:26.09 | wols | !tell archie1 about doesn't work |
| 01:26.19 | archie1 | hehe |
| 01:26.30 | archie1 | wols: i was talking about your previous command! |
| 01:26.44 | archie1 | oh never mind it got pmed to me sorry |
| 01:27.07 | wols | thought so |
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| 01:27.41 | archie1 | wols: the list that comes with debian of snd modules is pretty big is there any least tedious method? |
| 01:27.43 | wols | makes spotting them easier |
| 01:27.58 | militant | dondelelcaro: those drivers i just tried were a bust. maybe i took the wrong tack from the start? |
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| 01:28.08 | wols | archie1: how many soundcards do you have built in? 20? 30? 100? |
| 01:28.27 | dondelelcaro | militant: is there any reason why you're not just using the intel drivers? |
| 01:28.39 | dondelelcaro | militant: the ones that actually come with the X server? |
| 01:28.44 | waltz | wols: how do I get the kernel source tree? |
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| 01:28.55 | waltz | !tell waltz about kernel |
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| 01:29.02 | wols | waltz: like any other source |
| 01:29.05 | militant | dondelelcaro: what name to give them in xorg.conf? i tried the i810 but i don't know what the other ones are labeled, 'intel' doesn't work, and the installer set it as vesa |
| 01:29.05 | hydroman | does anyone know what package I need to compile the latest nvidia drivers(non-free) |
| 01:29.15 | archie1 | snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
| 01:29.15 | wols | !tell militant about drxx |
| 01:29.16 | archie1 | :) |
| 01:29.32 | wols | !tell militant about doesn't work |
| 01:29.50 | waltz | !tell waltz about kernel-devel |
| 01:29.58 | wols | !tell waltz about selftell |
| 01:29.59 | archie1 | wols: do i disable all but snd-hda-intel? |
| 01:30.07 | waltz | !tell waltz about kernel-source |
| 01:30.08 | wols | archie1: why? |
| 01:30.26 | waltz | :\ |
| 01:30.41 | archie1 | wols: the only way to get stac9200 card working is by reinstalling the newest alsa driver.. |
| 01:30.46 | archie1 | so i uses snd-hda-intel |
| 01:30.50 | archie1 | what do i disable? |
| 01:30.56 | militant | wols: ok, drxx. well, none of those intel listings refer to my hardware, as far as i know. |
| 01:31.02 | archie1 | it doesnt work when i just install it.. and run alsa conf |
| 01:31.12 | archie1 | i also need to disable some stuff or configure something else.. |
| 01:31.14 | wols | militant: you know wrong |
| 01:31.19 | dondelelcaro | militant: and what does lspci say for your card? |
| 01:31.31 | dondelelcaro | wols: being confrontational doesn't help; if you don't want to help someone, just don't. |
| 01:31.38 | wols | militant: especially since there is only one intel entry |
| 01:32.17 | militant | dondelelcaro: intel corp mobile integrated graphics controller |
| 01:32.18 | militant | that's it |
| 01:32.26 | dondelelcaro | militant: it should have a model number |
| 01:32.39 | militant | it doesn't |
| 01:32.49 | wols | lspci -n |
| 01:33.11 | dondelelcaro | militant: lspci -v; will list it then |
| 01:33.28 | dondelelcaro | (well, should list it) |
| 01:33.54 | militant | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics |
| 01:33.55 | militant | Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 01:34.29 | dondelelcaro | use lspci -n then |
| 01:34.38 | waltz | so what package do I need to install to get the kernel source tree? |
| 01:34.47 | militant | 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2a02 (rev 03) |
| 01:34.52 | dondelelcaro | waltz: depends on which kernel you want |
| 01:34.55 | wols | waltz: what package do you install to get your kernel? |
| 01:35.00 | dondelelcaro | waltz: but it'll be linux-source-blahblahblah |
| 01:35.07 | waltz | ok |
| 01:35.15 | waltz | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 01:36.33 | dondelelcaro | that's a GM965 |
| 01:36.49 | archie1 | anyone here got a stac9200 card working in etch, i cant even compile it.. |
| 01:36.55 | militant | correct, also known as a gma 950 |
| 01:36.58 | archie1 | mv: cannot stat `t-ja.gmo': No such file or directory |
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| 01:37.44 | dondelelcaro | militant: in any event, a modern verison of xserver-xorg-video-intel; should work with the "intel" driver |
| 01:37.49 | dondelelcaro | militant: which version do you have installed? |
| 01:38.15 | militant | one sec, just tried something, lemme restart x ... detaching |
| 01:38.20 | acidchild | anyone know how to downgrade from amd64 to i386? |
| 01:38.29 | wols | acidchild: by reinstalling |
| 01:38.35 | acidchild | The only way? mmmkay. |
| 01:38.44 | dondelelcaro | acidchild: you don't do so directly; if you need it for specific things, use a chroot. |
| 01:38.57 | acidchild | i setup debian installer on a flash disk. |
| 01:39.15 | acidchild | and i put the netinstall ISO it says there is a incorrect kernel or something about modules |
| 01:39.25 | acidchild | i did it find the first time with amd64 version's |
| 01:39.43 | acidchild | fails to load my network drivers. i guess because it has no modules. |
| 01:41.08 | acidchild | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:41.50 | acidchild | i will try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 01:42.03 | militant_ | well that didn't work. at all. locked up my display entirely. |
| 01:42.46 | wols | militant: there is a log. pastebin it |
| 01:43.08 | litage__ | acidchild: afaik, the only way to switch architectures is to reinstall your OS, simply because all of your libraries and programs have been compiled for archX, and you'll need to replace them with archY. doing that would cause more trouble than it's worth |
| 01:43.37 | acidchild | For sure. |
| 01:43.47 | acidchild | i just need to get this installer to work, they i don't have a problem with it |
| 01:43.54 | acidchild | ever since i updated my box |
| 01:44.03 | acidchild | X will crash when i use GLX |
| 01:44.05 | militant | wols: looking, not finding anything yet, one minute |
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| 01:44.08 | acidchild | and not go back to a TTY but a blank screen. |
| 01:44.20 | acidchild | i saw it on a bug somewhere, but the fix seemed very overkill |
| 01:44.20 | wols | militant: not finding what? no log or not the error in the log? |
| 01:44.25 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:44.49 | wols | acidchild: what videcard, what driver? |
| 01:45.17 | militant | wols: the error was i tried another device out of curiosity. the i710, *shrug*. i don't see an intel entry here for xserver-xorg-video except the i810? |
| 01:45.52 | wols | what debian versin do you run then? |
| 01:46.12 | militant | etch |
| 01:46.29 | wols | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 01:46.29 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg 3.4-3.2 wols's private stamp collection |
| 01:46.36 | wols | the version is? |
| 01:47.28 | militant | 7.1.0-19ff |
| 01:47.34 | wols | choose the intel/i810 driver and run startx. pastebin the Xorg.0.log then |
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| 01:48.03 | militant | nn |
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| 01:48.55 | wols | why noneed? |
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| 01:49.12 | militant_ | wow, my existing session locked up |
| 01:49.38 | militant_ | it's version 7.1.0-19 |
| 01:50.04 | wols | we ascertained that by now |
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| 01:50.33 | JordiGH | aptitude logs, right? |
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| 01:51.19 | militant_ | wols: we did? was it sending and not updating my display? |
| 01:51.29 | Atalanta | how do you pronounce debian |
| 01:51.33 | wols | 03:47 < militant> 7.1.0-19ff |
| 01:51.42 | Nyle | deb-ian |
| 01:51.44 | militant_ | weird. very. |
| 01:51.52 | militant_ | i can't get it to reset that terminal either |
| 01:51.53 | wols | JordiGH: dpkg does |
| 01:52.00 | venger | deb like debra, and E-N |
| 01:52.11 | Nyle | like the first part of deborah like deb and then ian as in ee-an |
| 01:52.13 | venger | like Ian |
| 01:52.34 | militant_ | wols: ok, was there anything we learned from that version number? |
| 01:52.36 | JordiGH | wols: It does now? That a new thing? At any rate, I see that aptitude does too, and that's good enough for me. |
| 01:52.59 | wols | JordiGH: where does aptitude log? |
| 01:53.29 | dondelelcaro | !+info xserver-xorg-video-intel stable |
| 01:53.30 | JordiGH | wols: /var/log/aptitude |
| 01:53.31 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' does not exist. |
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| 01:54.42 | ameyer | I think xserver-xorg-video-intel didn't exist when etch came out ;) |
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| 01:56.14 | militant_ | limpio: i have that and the i810 doesn't work for me. x craps out and reports no device found |
| 01:56.49 | limpio | i also got this: xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 01:57.50 | militant_ | the vesa won't give me above 1024x768 which doesn't look very nice on a widescreen LCD |
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| 01:58.18 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:58.36 | dhuv | \q |
| 01:59.04 | wols_ | militant: man i810. what does it say for which chips it works? |
| 01:59.08 | Asche | how can i install a later version of one program ? |
| 01:59.24 | Asche | an old version |
| 01:59.34 | wols_ | an older vresion or a later one? |
| 01:59.38 | Asche | older |
| 01:59.40 | limpio | i think he's gone, wols_ |
| 01:59.46 | wols_ | get the deb, install it |
| 01:59.52 | Asche | via apt no ? |
| 01:59.58 | hydroman | where does one get the most recent kernel-source package for debian |
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| 02:00.04 | wols_ | depends how you get the deb |
| 02:00.06 | militant | no, i'm here. wols_: i don't know, i'll have to get back into x on the vesa driver and google i guess |
| 02:00.18 | wols_ | hydroman: same place where you get your debian |
| 02:00.27 | Asche | but, with apt or aptitude , can i get an older version ? |
| 02:00.31 | wols_ | militant: why? |
| 02:00.34 | hydroman | more specifically, the one for nvidia |
| 02:00.37 | hydroman | whats the name of it |
| 02:00.38 | wols_ | man i810. works even under console |
| 02:00.53 | wols_ | !tell hydroman about nvidia |
| 02:00.56 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.08 | limpio | militant, i got here late, did you do a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg manually? |
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| 02:01.19 | wols_ | JordiGH: compiz does not work with the latest fglrx still |
| 02:01.37 | militant | wols_: ahh it claims to support. maybe it's agpart i'm missing? |
| 02:01.41 | monokrome | Hey. Anyone know where bind in the repo defaults to put logs at? I'm trying to figure out why it wont start. |
| 02:01.43 | Asche | what is fglrx |
| 02:01.44 | Asche | ? |
| 02:01.50 | JordiGH | wols: Great. Now you tell me. I shouldn't bother attempting to install Xgl, then? |
| 02:01.54 | monokrome | Asche: ATI video driver |
| 02:01.55 | wols_ | militant: I aksed you time and again to paste your logs. do it already |
| 02:02.08 | Asche | ok |
| 02:02.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: you shouldn't bother trying AIGLX. cause it does not work with compiz |
| 02:02.46 | militant | wols_: there's nothing to see in them at all. it just says 'no device found' after successfully loading everything. i can't exactly do pastebins etc without X up and running, hold on, i'm reverting to the semi-working vesa :) |
| 02:02.53 | wols_ | monokrome: all debian packages write logs to /var/log/ |
| 02:03.05 | wols_ | !paste without x |
| 02:03.05 | dpkg | without x: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 02:03.13 | wols_ | !pastewithoutx |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | hmm... pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 02:04.35 | militant_ | see, starting it on vesa froze up everything again. joy. |
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| 02:05.40 | JordiGH | wols: Beryl will be the same, eh? |
| 02:06.05 | Mordbrann | How can I determine which tcp congestion modules I have to choose from on a system? |
| 02:06.25 | wols_ | fglrx has supportt for AIGLX but not for libcomposite or such |
| 02:06.37 | wols_ | at least that's what I understood not owning a card myself |
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| 02:06.54 | wols_ | abd AMD promised to support it with the next vresion in a few weeks |
| 02:06.59 | JordiGH | Why do we even use this fglrx crap? |
| 02:07.02 | JordiGH | Send it back! |
| 02:07.05 | JordiGH | Defective by design. |
| 02:07.21 | monokrome | wols_: That's what I thought, but there's no bind.log or named.log |
| 02:08.07 | JordiGH | wols: I hope they fulfill their promise soon and release specs already. |
| 02:08.29 | militant_ | wols_: Xorg.0.log is 2221 lines, what part do you need? |
| 02:09.15 | wols_ | monokrome: check syslog |
| 02:09.48 | monokrome | wols_: How do I check that? Sorry if I am asking too many questionx :/ |
| 02:09.56 | wols_ | with less |
| 02:10.05 | Mordbrann | answer => dmesg |grep TCP |
| 02:10.15 | monokrome | awh |
| 02:10.54 | monokrome | Mordbrann: That'll work only if I init 6 |
| 02:11.05 | monokrome | wols_: I did tail /var/log/syslog |
| 02:11.09 | monokrome | didn't show anything useful |
| 02:11.12 | wols_ | JordiGH: even when they do, their (free) drivers won't be as good as their proprietary ones speedwise |
| 02:11.24 | wols_ | no Free videodriver is any good in 3D |
| 02:11.25 | Mordbrann | monokrome: sorry, was answering my own question earlier ;) |
| 02:11.33 | monokrome | oh sorry :} |
| 02:11.39 | JordiGH | wols_: Huh? Why? |
| 02:11.58 | JordiGH | Does code become slower when you expose its source? This is a phenomenon I was not aware of. |
| 02:12.01 | wols_ | cause OSS 3D driver programmers suck? |
| 02:12.02 | militant_ | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m71e84e21 |
| 02:12.33 | wols_ | JordiGH: ATI will NOT open eith prorpietary driver giving out all their cool driver team secrets under GPL |
| 02:12.36 | JordiGH | wols_: Why can't they just open up their own code, I wonder? |
| 02:13.00 | JordiGH | Their secrets are annoying me and giving me crap that doesn't work. |
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| 02:13.04 | wols_ | they will tell specs of how the hardware works from which external driverwrites can, if they are so inclined write drivers. hopefully |
| 02:13.20 | JordiGH | wols_: Yeah, yeah, I know. Still defective. |
| 02:13.48 | monokrome | wols_: They are actually considering it? |
| 02:14.04 | wols_ | ie you will get something in the area of the radeon driver, that's it |
| 02:14.05 | JordiGH | monokrome: ATI has already promised they will release specs. |
| 02:14.10 | monokrome | Sweet. |
| 02:14.17 | monokrome | But how long ago? eh? |
| 02:14.21 | wols_ | fglrx always was faster. this only changes now slowly when these old cards aren't interesting anymore anyways |
| 02:14.23 | JordiGH | wols_: Something that works, you mean, as opposed to this fglrx crap? |
| 02:14.35 | wols_ | works yes, speedy: no |
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| 02:14.50 | JordiGH | It's speedy enough. Compiz looks good on the radeon driver. |
| 02:14.57 | JordiGH | Nexuiz is playable. |
| 02:15.01 | wols_ | games aren't speedy enough |
| 02:15.01 | JordiGH | 'nuff said. |
| 02:15.14 | JordiGH | Nexuiz is with the radeon card. I'm happy with it. |
| 02:15.16 | wols_ | current games that is |
| 02:15.31 | JordiGH | Nexuiz isn't current? It's still being developed, no? |
| 02:15.49 | militant_ | wols_: i pastebin'd that.. did anything look curious? |
| 02:16.06 | wols_ | GLQuake is probably still being developed. heck nethack still is |
| 02:16.11 | wols_ | you know what I mean |
| 02:16.55 | militant_ | gah. apparently ubuntu already has xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 02:16.56 | wols_ | militant_: what bus ID have you set in your xorg.conf? |
| 02:17.11 | wols_ | militant_: it's he same driver |
| 02:17.22 | wols_ | *the |
| 02:17.43 | militant_ | wols_: 0:2:0 but i guess i should try :1? |
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| 02:18.43 | JordiGH | wols_: I really don't. What games are you playing with fglrx that I'm missing out on? |
| 02:18.50 | trifler | how do you shut down pico without saving? |
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| 02:19.05 | wols_ | none since I don't own a ati card |
| 02:19.11 | JordiGH | I dropped out of the gaming scene lustri ago. |
| 02:19.14 | militant_ | k trying brb |
| 02:19.18 | wols_ | and the only games I play on linux are IRC and Diablo2 |
| 02:19.23 | JordiGH | Wait, lustra ago. |
| 02:19.35 | JordiGH | lustres |
| 02:19.36 | wols_ | but your nexuiz is in no way commercially viable or will sell one more linux distro |
| 02:19.37 | JordiGH | Ack. |
| 02:19.58 | JordiGH | wols_: Nexuiz is that bad? |
| 02:20.04 | JordiGH | wols_: What about tremulous? |
| 02:20.09 | wols_ | i don't know if it'S good or bad: that doesn't matter |
| 02:20.26 | wols_ | from the sshots I saw there it looks nice enough |
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| 02:21.11 | wols_ | there is no market in such games. there is only a market in games that are sold in walmart or that are always used for benchmarks in reviews |
| 02:21.18 | wols_ | nexuiz is neither |
| 02:21.37 | wols_ | and this is why no videocard maker ever cares about it. or any gamer for that matter |
| 02:22.29 | wols_ | and the games people and makers care about need faster drivers than the Free software world comes up with |
| 02:22.44 | wols_ | at least if you look at history. and I don't see no reason there why this would change |
| 02:23.03 | Atalanta | i mean is it "deeb-ian" or "debb-ian" |
| 02:23.18 | SF7 | Debbie-Anne |
| 02:23.56 | wols_ | is it leeeenox or lennox or linuks? or what? |
| 02:24.09 | wols_ | same sort of useless question |
| 02:24.12 | wwasher | SF7 : i like that mnemonic. |
| 02:24.17 | wwasher | :) |
| 02:24.31 | wols_ | the menmonic is easiy: debbie + ian = debian |
| 02:25.43 | wols_ | as for pronouncement: http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history |
| 02:25.47 | Atalanta | yay tx |
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| 02:28.01 | militant_ | wols_: i tried changing it, no effect |
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| 02:28.29 | jurel76 | hi, I have debian etch and backports in sources.list, how can I search for packages that are only in backports? |
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| 02:30.22 | Dewi | jurel76: Yes. |
| 02:30.26 | stew | jurel76: "aptitude search foo~Obackports" will search for foo on backports |
| 02:30.50 | stew | O==origin |
| 02:31.27 | waltz | ERROR: The kernel header file '/usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h' does not exist. The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in '/usr/src/linux' have not been configured. |
| 02:31.37 | waltz | how do I configure kernel source files? |
| 02:31.44 | militant_ | wols_: so, i'm completely lost. what else can i check? |
| 02:31.52 | Dewi | waltz: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:32.02 | waltz | Dewi: installing an nvidia driver |
| 02:32.08 | stew | waltz: what software is that? things in general should not be expecting the kenrel source to be in /usr/src/linux |
| 02:32.11 | stew | oh |
| 02:32.15 | Dewi | waltz: do you have your kernel headers package installed? |
| 02:32.17 | waltz | heh |
| 02:32.22 | waltz | Dewi: nope |
| 02:32.37 | waltz | Dewi: kernel-headers is a virtual package, how do I select the right oneto install? |
| 02:33.34 | jurel76 | thanks stew |
| 02:33.42 | Dewi | waltz: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:33.56 | Dewi | waltz: will try to install ones for your currently running kernel |
| 02:35.46 | waltz | nvidia is proceeding, thank you Dewi |
| 02:37.10 | hydroman | hi all: i've just suceeded in compiling a nvidia driver for X11 on debian, where should I go next. I'd like to get my built in wireless network working |
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| 02:43.24 | aalex | hi all |
| 02:44.09 | aalex | Anyone knows a tool to convert a .au audio file into a more common format ? |
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| 02:47.30 | noige | hi what does it mean when in the output of the last command there is a field that instead of saying (still logged in) (reboot) (shutdown) etc etc it says (down). What causes it to say down? I have googled, read utmp.h, man wtmp man syslog and I still do not know |
| 02:48.50 | noige | anyone? |
| 02:49.26 | Azar | noige: it means that you can now safely turn off your PC |
| 02:49.47 | noige | Azar: In the output of last? |
| 02:49.53 | noige | I am not talking about stdout |
| 02:50.14 | noige | like after a shutdown -h |
| 02:50.43 | aalex | Here is the audio codec i need to translate : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_file_format |
| 02:50.53 | Azar | noige: I have no idea what you see on your screen: in cli mode you normally will shut down with a command: shutdown -h now. The system safely turns off processes and initiates shutdown. Then tells you something like :down. |
| 02:51.19 | stew | aalex: use sox. or if you want gui, then audacity |
| 02:51.40 | noige | Azar: I am speaking specifically of seeing the down field in the output of the last command via the wtmp mechanism. Thank you though |
| 02:51.48 | stew | noige: a system crash |
| 02:52.07 | noige | stew: Ok, but typically it will say crash, what type of crash? |
| 02:52.13 | noige | stew: do you know? |
| 02:52.16 | Azar | noige: OH that... I misunderstood your question then sorry |
| 02:52.21 | noige | Azar: np man |
| 02:52.42 | stew | noige: oh you are right. i'm not sure then |
| 02:53.02 | stew | noige: do you have syslog from that time? |
| 02:53.05 | stew | easy |
| 02:53.19 | noige | I really do not want to have to simulate hundreds of different failure conditions just to figure this out |
| 02:53.25 | Azar | sorry I could not miss that |
| 02:53.50 | noige | yeah I have logs on a syslog server, but there are literally 100's of errors around the same time |
| 02:54.06 | noige | this is in a staging environment for a grid server |
| 02:54.15 | noige | that is seriously alpha obviously |
| 02:55.01 | noige | hmm let me try something |
| 02:57.01 | dondelelcaro | noige: down is what you get when the system has shutdown properly and a terminal was still open at that time |
| 02:57.14 | dondelelcaro | noige: otherwise you get crashed, or a normal logout |
| 02:57.21 | dondelelcaro | (or gone) |
| 02:57.43 | noige | Ok so if a tty is attached and we down the box then we will see down as opposed to shutdown |
| 02:57.55 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 02:57.57 | noige | dondelelcaro: can you tell me where you gleaned this info from? |
| 02:58.02 | dondelelcaro | noige: experience |
| 02:58.11 | noige | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks a lot |
| 02:58.22 | dondelelcaro | but if you look at the sourcecode to last, you can verify what I'm saying |
| 02:58.33 | noige | ahh good idea |
| 02:58.39 | noige | I appreciate it |
| 02:58.45 | noige | hey do you live in the bay area? |
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| 02:59.16 | dondelelcaro | no, but I'm up there occasionally |
| 02:59.49 | magyar | hi, how can i check the amount of phisical ram ina system? |
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| 03:00.05 | noige | cat /proc/meminfo, or free -m |
| 03:00.07 | streuner | dmidecode |
| 03:00.10 | noige | is it linux? |
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| 03:00.31 | noige | there are a lot of ways |
| 03:01.01 | magyar | noige: thanks |
| 03:01.24 | noige | why do I always come to debian when I am looking for an answer? |
| 03:01.55 | noige | thanks a lot guys, you have always been there when I really needed an experienced hand to give me a good answer |
| 03:01.58 | magyar | streuner: nice one |
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| 03:17.41 | DawnLight | j ##windows |
| 03:17.45 | DawnLight | :-/ |
| 03:18.05 | DawnLight | yo |
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| 03:19.28 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with rsync? |
| 03:19.52 | militant_ | hmmm i'm about to give up on straight debian, and try ubuntu's latest release. apparently it works fine :/ |
| 03:20.20 | grendal_prime | i need to find out if there is a way to set it up to run as a famd and copy anything new...as it gets created |
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| 03:20.38 | grendal_prime | militant: i hate all the ubuntus |
| 03:20.46 | hypetech | I installed debian from the netinst CD, how do I get apt-get to stop using the CD as a repo? |
| 03:20.57 | militant | grendal_prime: so do i. i tried it on my roommate's machine and it's no fun |
| 03:20.58 | grendal_prime | they do werid things with the root usuer |
| 03:21.11 | militant | hypetech: comment out the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:21.18 | militant | grendal_prime: oh? |
| 03:21.28 | militant | i didn't notice, i just set it up and walked away |
| 03:21.37 | hypetech | ty |
| 03:21.39 | grendal_prime | everything is sudo'ed |
| 03:22.34 | militant | i never use sudo for some reason. |
| 03:22.46 | grendal_prime | and the root user...well you dont use the root user account...i just dont get it and i dont have the time to learn some werided out security schema, all because people in general dont like to use two accounts to work with there machine |
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| 03:23.59 | grendal_prime | and...ya its just strange, ive installed it twice because i was under the impression it would deal with hardware detection better...but in the end it was a nightmare. |
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| 03:24.16 | grendal_prime | and i wound up removing it |
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| 03:24.47 | militant | grendal_prime: eh, it's worth a shot, i'm not returning a 2nd laptop in 2 days due to not being able to get the hardware working |
| 03:25.32 | grendal_prime | yuk..what laptop? |
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| 03:25.51 | militant | toshiba satellite a205-s4777 |
| 03:26.03 | militant | the previous was an hp pavilion dv9548us |
| 03:26.24 | militant | this one's about 300 cheaper than the hp, and i was really hoping it'd work fine.. |
| 03:26.41 | grendal_prime | ya the pavillions ive seen them in action with debian..the amd64 is not a bad one..but the wireless nic wont work |
| 03:26.56 | grendal_prime | well..not without a canopener and some bailingwire code. |
| 03:27.16 | militant | the wireless supposedly works with some ndis wrappers i guess, i didn't get that far, audio was being cranky |
| 03:27.42 | militant | what worries me is now that i think about it, i think the hp and this toshiba have the same wifi |
| 03:28.06 | grendal_prime | the one i dinked with i did not set up the nvidia drivers on..(just because ive never understood how to do that exactly right) |
| 03:28.38 | grendal_prime | ya...we have several dells at work..they work for the most part fully with debian. |
| 03:29.11 | grendal_prime | or the ubuntu varriants. ive seen a couple that scream...faster with debian than vista. |
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| 03:29.53 | grendal_prime | i need to mirror a drive with rsync |
| 03:30.00 | grendal_prime | and keep it mirrored... |
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| 03:33.04 | grendal_prime | basically i need a snapmirror |
| 03:33.09 | grendal_prime | but without the huge cost |
| 03:34.21 | Rusty1 | prolly a cron job |
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| 03:37.15 | grendal_prime | naaa see that sucks..i need it to watch for change and run it then. |
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| 03:37.34 | grendal_prime | something that literally says...ok that file is new, copy it now |
| 03:37.45 | grendal_prime | i currently dup data via cron jobs |
| 03:38.17 | Rusty1 | http://www.howtoforge.com/mirroring_with_rsync, FWIW |
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| 03:40.05 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: http://www.drbd.org/ |
| 03:40.08 | Supaplex | !drbd |
| 03:40.08 | dpkg | drbd is probably a block device which is designed to build high availability clusters. This is done by mirroring a whole block device via (a dedicated) network. You could see it as a network raid-1. It is basically raid 1 over two pcs. |
| 03:42.56 | grendal_prime | now were cooking with gas |
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| 03:45.15 | lkthomas | guys, I don't know why awstats can't identify operation system from apache log at all |
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| 03:50.33 | grendal_prime | hey Supaplex |
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| 03:51.26 | grendal_prime | hook a brother up with something personal on the usage level..you ussafyed this in da trenches? |
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| 03:52.10 | grendal_prime | dats stupid ass gangsta wrap for.."you ever set this up yourself?" |
| 03:52.14 | NiLon | huh, Supaplex is also game? :P |
| 03:52.42 | NiLon | yeah :P remembed right |
| 03:52.46 | grendal_prime | hey nilon is also a plastic |
| 03:53.10 | Supaplex | yes. I mess with peoples minds. drive them insane trying to finish levels. |
| 03:53.32 | waltz | problem: my screen resolution is not correct |
| 03:53.44 | NiLon | grendal_prime noup |
| 03:53.47 | waltz | and I have modified xorg.conf appropriately |
| 03:54.08 | eljefe_ | waltz in KDE? |
| 03:54.14 | waltz | eljefe_: nope, Gnome |
| 03:54.30 | grendal_prime | did you try ...to reconfigure xorg with dpkg-reconfigure and set it to the right resolutioin in there? |
| 03:54.31 | waltz | (I assume /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the correct file) |
| 03:54.46 | eljefe_ | hm.. KDE keeps its own settings, which may be lower than XOrg reports, and then can be raised to hight resolutions on a per-user basis. Maybe Gnome has the same? |
| 03:55.05 | dalias | wtf |
| 03:55.10 | dalias | that sounds really lame |
| 03:55.14 | waltz | grendal_prime: well, it was configured by nvidia-xconfig |
| 03:55.25 | grendal_prime | yaaaaaaaaa try this.. dpkg-reconfigure xorg-.....ooo cant help ya there |
| 03:55.32 | waltz | ;/ |
| 03:55.40 | dalias | nvidia.. |
| 03:55.45 | waltz | yesser |
| 03:55.50 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 03:56.05 | grendal_prime | dont they have like their own kernel and everything? |
| 03:56.15 | waltz | they have their own kernel module, yes |
| 03:56.18 | grendal_prime | now..that is just a kernel for the video card right? |
| 03:56.25 | waltz | I believe so |
| 03:56.55 | grendal_prime | its not like...there is a linux kernel that is for the nvidia cards is it? |
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| 03:57.07 | niru | how to open a .LP3 extension file |
| 03:57.22 | Supaplex | what does file say it is? |
| 03:57.25 | waltz | idk about the internals of their GPUs |
| 03:57.34 | amphi | grendal_prime: there's a blob in a thin wrapper module, I believe |
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| 03:57.42 | niru | how to open a .LP3 extension file |
| 03:57.46 | niru | Supaplex, any idea |
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| 03:58.07 | streuner | file foo.LP3 |
| 03:58.26 | streuner | and tell us the output |
| 03:58.28 | Supaplex | file (1) - determine file type |
| 03:58.51 | Supaplex | and no, I have no idea. but file might clue us in. |
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| 04:00.27 | grendal_prime | Supaplex: that block copy device is just the shiznit we need...the question i have is, can it be run as a server seperate from the two file storage systems. like this...system a is a netapps filer, system b is a netapps filer, system c is the drdb system that is reading via cifs from system a and mirroring the data on system b |
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| 04:00.46 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: I haven't played with that stuff yet :) |
| 04:00.59 | streuner | http://filext.com/file-extension/LP3 |
| 04:01.08 | grendal_prime | bummer |
| 04:02.20 | grendal_prime | it would make sence if it did work that way..i mean otherwise you would have to use drbd as the core of a filestorage appliance, and sinces it is a package on debian repositorys..i would assume it is to run on a seperate system than the file server. |
| 04:02.55 | grendal_prime | i could be wrong...and if i was it would be bitchen if someone told me so.. |
| 04:03.01 | grendal_prime | its happend before |
| 04:03.16 | grendal_prime | and i am drinking wine...and teorizing... |
| 04:03.32 | grendal_prime | theorizing.. |
| 04:03.39 | grendal_prime | is that a word? |
| 04:03.45 | waltz | wine and theory go well together:) |
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| 04:05.34 | simonrvn | theorizing is a word, sence isn't |
| 04:06.54 | grendal_prime | ya...well i got theorizing right....wooo hoooooo score one for the grendal.!!! |
| 04:07.26 | kalleskaviar | grendal_prime, if drbd won't do the trick for ya, there's always Novells/ximians ifolder |
| 04:07.48 | grendal_prime | hahahahahah hahahhaahhahahahahah hahahahhahahah ha |
| 04:07.52 | grendal_prime | you said novell |
| 04:08.57 | grendal_prime | novell and mac's will both give you psyphillis |
| 04:09.15 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.21 | simonrvn | no =) |
| 04:09.24 | kalleskaviar | no, i think that's a fruit |
| 04:09.28 | kalleskaviar | :) |
| 04:09.30 | streuner | !spell psyphillis |
| 04:09.31 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 04:09.58 | kalleskaviar | anywho, ifolder.com if you wanna check it out. |
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| 04:10.11 | simonrvn | leave off the first p, can't recall if there's 2 l's or bot |
| 04:10.13 | grendal_prime | no p |
| 04:10.19 | grendal_prime | syphillis |
| 04:10.25 | simonrvn | s,bot,not, |
| 04:10.36 | grendal_prime | why do i always put a p on that...and i have to use that word soooo often... |
| 04:10.57 | simonrvn | medical profession? |
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| 04:11.20 | kalleskaviar | or you could write a simpel script with the help of inotify tools but that solutions isn't all great for a larger number of files |
| 04:11.36 | nick_ | i just installed some stuff with aptitude, where does it install it, where is the stuff? |
| 04:11.51 | kalleskaviar | nick_, that would depend on what stuff you installed |
| 04:11.54 | grendal_prime | me? no..im a pilot...primarily, but i yell that at alot of people..."what the hell is wrong with you??? you almost just flew us into a mountain...what do you have syphillis??" |
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| 04:12.21 | simonrvn | nick_: uh, wherever it was installed... in the system. dpkg -L packagename [packagename... ...] |
| 04:12.33 | simonrvn | grendal_prime: heh |
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| 04:13.30 | grendal_prime | and somtimes i just yell it...SYPHILLIS!! all on its own will clear you a path like you would not believe...empty an elavator, probably get you a parking space in downtown SF even. |
| 04:13.45 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 04:14.43 | nick_ | simonrvn: ah thanks |
| 04:15.05 | simonrvn | man apt and man dpkg will get you far |
| 04:17.04 | waltz | all day, I spent on this |
| 04:17.10 | waltz | and now I can't even get the resolution right |
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| 04:29.00 | darrh00 | is there any way to find out the ip address of a certain mac address? |
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| 04:29.28 | kalleskaviar | not if there is a router between you |
| 04:29.33 | simonrvn | only lan, or if you have access to the machine |
| 04:29.44 | simonrvn | lan being same network |
| 04:29.48 | niru | how can I view a .LP3 format file |
| 04:30.03 | simonrvn | mac address don't cross router boundaries |
| 04:30.05 | niru | the properties shows its a OLE2 document |
| 04:30.10 | simonrvn | addresses* |
| 04:31.29 | darrh00 | simonrvn: how about in the same lan but within different subnet? |
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| 04:32.37 | simonrvn | re-read what was said |
| 04:33.41 | kalleskaviar | niru, that would depend on what kind of file it is. Have you any idea ? |
| 04:34.04 | wols_ | niru: checked filext.com? |
| 04:34.34 | simonrvn | `file thefile.lp3` |
| 04:35.03 | wols_ | 99% this is some windows shit which doesn't even care about magic bytes |
| 04:35.24 | wols_ | unlikely file(1) has ever heard of it |
| 04:35.27 | simonrvn | hm, you have a point there |
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| 04:37.08 | internat85 | is there an option you can give scp -r to stop it following symlinks? |
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| 04:37.46 | kalleskaviar | i just did a quick googling and there seems to be plenty of different kind of .lp3 files. Everything from label printer images, to data logging formats to 4g database project files |
| 04:38.00 | GenNMX | Alright, day three of RAID problems. |
| 04:38.43 | kalleskaviar | ohh also some indian office package seems to use lp3 files as document format as well. |
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| 04:39.07 | streuner | http://filext.com/file-extension/LP3 |
| 04:39.23 | streuner | Hansen Software Label Printer |
| 04:39.47 | streuner | windows stuff, would be interesting WHERE he got that crap |
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| 04:42.40 | kalleskaviar | well he said OLE, that kind of rules out an image format unless it's the worlds dumbest label printer. Best guess is Leap Office 2000 |
| 04:43.01 | grendal_prime | if i ever design a program that needs an extention im gonna use *.psycofunkapuss |
| 04:43.18 | grendal_prime | or *.psyphillis |
| 04:43.26 | simonrvn | internat85: you'll want a 'dereference' option |
| 04:44.11 | grendal_prime | that way i dont have to worry about some other lame ass...LAME ASS company stealing my hard thought up 3 char extention |
| 04:44.13 | internat85 | yheah i couldnt find one :( |
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| 04:45.07 | kalleskaviar | grendal_prime, ohh and pack it full with magic numbers, circular references and byte order marks ? |
| 04:45.52 | kalleskaviar | internat85, feed scp from find then ? |
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| 04:47.58 | wols_ | kalleskaviar: screw BOMs. We change LSB and MSB several times in the file |
| 04:48.13 | dalias | ... |
| 04:48.17 | wols_ | mixing UTF8, UTF16 and MBCS too of course |
| 04:48.30 | kalleskaviar | don't forget ebcdic |
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| 04:48.35 | dalias | omg |
| 04:48.39 | ameyer | sounds like a real mindf*** of a format |
| 04:48.41 | dalias | now i'm stabbing my eyes out |
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| 04:48.50 | niru | I have a file whose type is OLE2 compound document storage |
| 04:49.00 | wols_ | niru: open it in office |
| 04:49.04 | niru | and MIME type is application/x-ole-storage |
| 04:49.13 | niru | and extension si .LP3 |
| 04:49.16 | niru | how to open it |
| 04:49.37 | niru | wols_, office what? I mean writer or something else |
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| 04:49.45 | wols_ | MS office |
| 04:50.06 | wols_ | this is a windows proprietary shit. we told you, several times over now, what you can do |
| 04:50.08 | kalleskaviar | niru, leap office 2000 |
| 04:50.49 | DawnLight | office 2000? bah |
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| 04:52.34 | dalias | does ms still have ole shit? |
| 04:53.11 | Penix | probably called OLE .NET 2008 now |
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| 05:05.49 | DawnLight | does anyone know whats going on in #gaming and why it is private? |
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| 05:07.42 | Guerin | DawnLight: nobody does. And if they did, why would they tell you? |
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| 05:08.26 | DawnLight | 'cause i'm fly |
| 05:08.39 | MIRAPARK | HI |
| 05:08.42 | Guerin | i wouldn't brag about being a small, dirty insect with a short lifespan |
| 05:08.53 | MIRAPARK | OK |
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| 05:09.00 | DawnLight | !greet MIRAPARK |
| 05:09.00 | dpkg | Tag, MIRAPARK |
| 05:09.04 | Guerin | MIRAPARK: your capslock key seems to be proken |
| 05:09.32 | DawnLight | and the client |
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| 05:09.56 | DawnLight | wanna bet, Guerin |
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| 05:10.17 | Guerin | bet on what? |
| 05:10.33 | Penix | on swedish greyhounds |
| 05:10.41 | DawnLight | i'm getting into that channel within a week |
| 05:10.57 | Guerin | DawnLight: it wouldn't be hard |
| 05:11.26 | Guerin | but no - i only bet on things I know pretty well, and I don't know either #gaming or swedish greyhounds |
| 05:11.36 | DawnLight | ok... so i bet you i won't get into that channel within a week, how's that |
| 05:11.48 | Guerin | what are the stakes? |
| 05:11.54 | Guerin | and how would it be verified? |
| 05:12.06 | DawnLight | leave those to me |
| 05:12.09 | Penix | I'm guessing something as generic as #gaming is just a bot related, locked channel |
| 05:12.20 | Penix | locked as a result of bots, that is |
| 05:12.22 | Guerin | yeah, right - leave the stakes and adjudication to you |
| 05:12.41 | DawnLight | you're tough... |
| 05:13.00 | Guerin | i like to win the bets I make |
| 05:13.13 | Guerin | because I tend to actually pay them if I lose them |
| 05:13.41 | Guerin | as Ernest Hemingway said: always do sober what you say you'll do drunk; it keeps you from saying stupid things. |
| 05:13.58 | Guerin | or words to that effect |
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| 05:14.31 | DawnLight | haha |
| 05:15.03 | DawnLight | getting chilly here, in israel, in the morning |
| 05:15.15 | Guerin | it gets warmer and more glorious here by the day |
| 05:15.30 | Guerin | unfortunately I have been stuck in my air-conditioned tower all day being a HR slave |
| 05:15.34 | DawnLight | where is the glory? |
| 05:15.39 | Guerin | it comes out of the sky |
| 05:15.42 | Penix | there's some strange clear liquid falling from the sky here... |
| 05:15.58 | DawnLight | is god in it? |
| 05:16.17 | Guerin | Penix: we have that a few times a week too. No solution yet available, but there are various workarounds. |
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| 05:16.32 | Guerin | DawnLight: that's unverifiable. |
| 05:16.35 | Penix | few times a week? lucky bastards |
| 05:16.38 | Guerin | heh |
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| 05:16.57 | Guerin | yeah, we have the curse of the horizontal invisible stuff here |
| 05:17.14 | Guerin | it blew a girl under a bus on tuesday, where she died |
| 05:17.23 | Penix | hmm. atleast ours is relatively vertical when it does come I spose |
| 05:17.44 | kalleskaviar | yah, flatulence can be troublesome like that |
| 05:17.47 | Guerin | invisible, not clear. and not wet either. |
| 05:18.03 | DawnLight | it can blow people? |
| 05:18.08 | Guerin | kalleskaviar: i blame the quality of the beer in christchurch. Ranfurly Draught will do that. |
| 05:18.24 | Guerin | DawnLight: yes, it can. Perhaps not in the manner in which you expect. |
| 05:18.49 | Penix | if it's anything like a cheap can of Ranfurly rum, I'm in |
| 05:18.55 | Penix | love the bowel obstruction |
| 05:19.00 | DawnLight | so you take along grappling hooks with ya? |
| 05:19.19 | Guerin | Penix: i've not had that stuff. |
| 05:19.24 | kalleskaviar | there's a place called christchurch ? |
| 05:19.36 | Guerin | DawnLight: no, we're just staunch. |
| 05:19.40 | Guerin | kalleskaviar: there are several. |
| 05:19.58 | Guerin | kalleskaviar: we call it `Chch', pron. `Chich'. |
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| 05:20.13 | Guerin | or perhaps to rhyme with `bitch' |
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| 05:22.36 | Penix | I like hearing a kiwi say 'yet' |
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| 05:41.35 | amiralul | is it safe on debian stable to create a .deb from the current pidgin release, using instruction from http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide ? |
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| 05:48.38 | amiralul | was this a stupi question? :( |
| 05:49.17 | wols_ | at least a pretty useless one |
| 05:49.28 | amiralul | why? |
| 05:49.34 | wols_ | what would happen if what you did were "unsafe"? |
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| 05:51.11 | amiralul | well, I would have an unstable system, which I don't want |
| 05:51.37 | amiralul | ok, I will rephrase: how great is the risk compromising system stability if I'll do that? |
| 05:52.05 | Guerin | amiralul: you're better off just using a backport. Someone will have built one already. |
| 05:52.14 | Guerin | amiralul: /msg dpkg backport |
| 05:52.45 | amiralul | nope, pidgin is not there |
| 05:52.53 | Guerin | amiralul: if you DO make one, building the unstable source on stable is the proper way, but you may experience dependency hell due to the various libs which pidgin needs. |
| 05:53.47 | wols_ | !pidgin |
| 05:53.48 | dpkg | i heard pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 05:54.58 | amiralul | wols_: thank you |
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| 05:59.09 | sikkle | good irc buncer to work with debian ? |
| 05:59.55 | Guerin | no such thing as a good irc bouncer |
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| 06:00.10 | ninjjax | !mplayer |
| 06:00.10 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 06:00.35 | ninjjax | !libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 06:02.23 | jayporter | !asterisk |
| 06:02.23 | dpkg | asterisk is probably a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable, or http://www.asterisk.org/ |
| 06:02.56 | jayporter | Well thats a great link |
| 06:02.58 | jayporter | The room is dead |
| 06:03.08 | mathesis | !ltsp |
| 06:03.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 06:04.45 | axscode | hi, uptwo how many OS i can multiboot in a single HardDrive with 160GB? |
| 06:06.16 | Guerin | axscode: It's like asking how many marbles can I fit in a jar: depends on the size of the marbles. |
| 06:07.28 | wols_ | some OSes (not linux) need primary partitions too, which means 3 at the most |
| 06:08.08 | Guerin | oh, true |
| 06:08.16 | Guerin | but you don't want those OSen anyhow |
| 06:09.24 | jayporter | Unless of course you want to run an application which does not run natively under linux or perhaps is poorly emulated :) |
| 06:09.35 | Guerin | in which case you suck |
| 06:09.43 | jayporter | I am not refering to myself |
| 06:09.46 | jayporter | I run OSX and debian |
| 06:09.54 | Guerin | neither am I ;) |
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| 06:10.17 | jayporter | Some people however still live in that old world were they are locked into software |
| 06:10.33 | Guerin | sucks to be them |
| 06:10.40 | Guerin | i only experience that particular hell at work |
| 06:10.55 | jayporter | Im lucky, I run what I want at work. |
| 06:10.58 | jayporter | One guy here has vista |
| 06:10.59 | Guerin | where i exist in LookOut and Exhell |
| 06:11.01 | jayporter | Its a shame |
| 06:11.09 | hub_ | I have a Question : Is Debian for better for Devloping as Ubuntu ? |
| 06:11.20 | nxvl | hi you all |
| 06:11.26 | Guerin | and a bunch of broken prioprietary custom-made apps which are all written in java |
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| 06:11.54 | Guerin | hub_: ubuntu was developed on debian. Answer the question yourself, based on that. |
| 06:12.18 | nxvl | is there an IRC room for new developers? like mentors or something, where i can get help on bugfixing debian packages and stuff? |
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| 06:12.54 | nxvl | hub_: most of the packages and bugs are fixed on debian, not on ubuntu |
| 06:12.58 | Guerin | nxvl: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 06:13.04 | nxvl | Guerin: thnx |
| 06:13.12 | Guerin | nxvl: nfpm |
| 06:13.24 | jayporter | nfpm? |
| 06:13.24 | nxvl | nfpm? |
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| 06:14.48 | axscode | hi, can you gimme link for apt mirror please |
| 06:16.12 | techbie | !tell axscode about mirrors |
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| 06:22.10 | Guerin | nxvl: no fuckin' problem mate |
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| 06:24.30 | jayporter | I had assumed that is what it meant |
| 06:24.39 | bullgard4 | dmesg reports: "nt |
| 06:24.39 | jayporter | More of an australian thing though... |
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| 06:26.49 | bullgard4 | dmesg reports: "[46278.432000] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0" What kind of device is 'sr0'? |
| 06:27.02 | jkitchen | seedy rom |
| 06:27.11 | Guerin | bullgard4: the broken ind, in your case |
| 06:27.16 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 06:27.17 | dpkg | [i/o error] if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 06:28.06 | bullgard4 | jkitchen: Guerin What does 'ind' stand for? |
| 06:28.26 | Guerin | bullgard4: depends on context. |
| 06:28.46 | Guerin | in my context it stands for `kind' |
| 06:29.12 | Guerin | it's my secret code, which I use to make sure nobody understands my tpynig |
| 06:29.26 | jkitchen | oh sorry, i didn't even see that, heh |
| 06:29.28 | bullgard4 | Guerin: Your answer is not helpful. |
| 06:29.31 | simonrvn | yruo tyipng? |
| 06:29.44 | Guerin | bullgard4: it is. Replace the drive, or the cables. One or both are fucked. |
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| 06:30.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: uoy kwon em wlel! |
| 06:30.04 | simonrvn | hwta oubat yoru tynpig? |
| 06:30.20 | simonrvn | ho, htat |
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| 06:33.16 | jayporter | I find your style of support odd Guerin |
| 06:33.17 | jayporter | I like that |
| 06:33.31 | Guerin | many do |
| 06:33.34 | Guerin | many more don't |
| 06:33.42 | jayporter | its kinda like my style |
| 06:33.46 | jayporter | Only im always copping shit for it |
| 06:34.01 | Guerin | ultimatley I am lazy and I like to put the bulk of the work back on the person with the problem |
| 06:34.25 | jkitchen | they learn more that way |
| 06:34.38 | jkitchen | although in my experience it tends to piss some people off who want their hands held |
| 06:34.47 | simonrvn | kinda like "that means that, here's how you find out what to do to fix it, now go do it" |
| 06:34.54 | Guerin | and they learn even more if they tell me to fuck off, try 100 stupid other ways of fixing it, and then end up doing it my way anyhow |
| 06:34.58 | Guerin | everyone wins |
| 06:35.56 | bullgard4 | dmesg reports: "[46278.432000] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0" What kind of device is 'sr0'? |
| 06:36.08 | Meglo | XD |
| 06:36.18 | Guerin | bullgard4: a drive of some sort |
| 06:36.21 | simonrvn | .:02:27:02:. < jkitchen> seedy rom |
| 06:36.31 | Guerin | mm, that seems likely |
| 06:36.35 | simonrvn | that was 9 minutes ago |
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| 06:37.54 | amiralul | !pidgin |
| 06:37.55 | dpkg | i guess pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 06:38.20 | boodie | Hi; has anybody, tryin to use GSPACE with Firefox, encountered the error "Cookie retrieval failed means login failed"? |
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| 06:38.49 | simonrvn | wth is gspace? |
| 06:39.05 | simonrvn | hi |
| 06:39.06 | jayporter | Sounds like the tool for using your gmail account as a virtual drive? |
| 06:39.11 | jayporter | I am probally wrong |
| 06:39.21 | simonrvn | that's gmailfs |
| 06:39.38 | jayporter | I assume anything with a G is google related these days :) |
| 06:39.39 | Guerin | is it like the gangsta version of myspace? |
| 06:39.41 | amiralul | gspace is an add-on for Firefox |
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| 06:39.58 | boodie | amiralul: right |
| 06:40.07 | simonrvn | jayporter: yeh, i do too. like anything with k* iseither kerberos or kde |
| 06:40.22 | amiralul | that let you access your gmail account as it is some kind of FTP server |
| 06:40.31 | boodie | You are give free email and HD space on some google server |
| 06:40.38 | simonrvn | kstart, kinit, kdc, kcm, kadmin, ... |
| 06:40.45 | amiralul | boodie: but I don't think google likes it... |
| 06:41.03 | boodie | So why they offer it? |
| 06:41.04 | amiralul | by the way, I still haven't IMAP activated :( |
| 06:41.06 | Guerin | they can't not like it that much |
| 06:41.12 | simonrvn | the "HD space" isn't. google shuts down the accounts using them that way |
| 06:41.32 | amiralul | boodie: google is not offering gspace |
| 06:41.43 | simonrvn | they don't. some people have set up FUSE to do that, and now presumably some FF extension |
| 06:42.04 | simonrvn | google doesn't do imap |
| 06:42.11 | Arafangion | simonrvn: They will. |
| 06:42.18 | simonrvn | really? |
| 06:42.24 | Arafangion | simonrvn: yeah. |
| 06:42.28 | amiralul | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/free-imap-for-gmail.html |
| 06:42.29 | Meglo | They already are for some accounts |
| 06:42.30 | simonrvn | nice |
| 06:42.38 | boodie | But my firefox came with it - so should I just give up? |
| 06:42.41 | amiralul | a friend of mine had it activated yday |
| 06:43.09 | amiralul | boodie: gspace is an extension, it didn't came default in Firefox, someone installed it. |
| 06:43.42 | simonrvn | fuck yeh. i much prefer IMAP (run it at home; cyrus) |
| 06:43.53 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I hate cyrus! :) |
| 06:43.55 | Guerin | man, if cowon wasn't already the best maker of personal media players, they sure as fuckbaskets are now |
| 06:44.13 | boodie | Anyway, it's not google, indeed, but still |
| 06:44.20 | simonrvn | sure it does. it's called logs |
| 06:44.22 | jayporter | So I was close, thats whats going on? |
| 06:44.34 | Guerin | i fucked my X5L up by plugging it into a bad power supply, bought a busted on on an auction site, and cannibalised the two of them together, and it works superbly |
| 06:44.37 | Arafangion | simonrvn: cyrus's logs are more subtle than they should be, imho. |
| 06:46.27 | simonrvn | i had a hard time with them at first, but i was also a newbie, and didn't have much log reading experience |
| 06:46.45 | amiralul | heh, just prionted out some Debian DVD labes with my printer, looks gorgeus! |
| 06:46.49 | amiralul | *printed |
| 06:47.11 | amiralul | from http://www.debian.org/CD/artwork/ |
| 06:47.44 | boodie | Ok, gspace is providing free online storage, it could be useful but it doesn't work with my linux; |
| 06:48.02 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I was not a newbie with cyrus's logs, but afaik, by default at the time, cyrus didn't log that much, and something was wrong with the init.d scripts. |
| 06:48.12 | boodie | 2nd problem: flash sites with etch 64 - has anyone managed to run nspluginwrapper? |
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| 06:48.18 | Arafangion | simonrvn: But, dovecot was simpler to setup. ;) |
| 06:48.40 | amiralul | boodie: why did you need 64bit OS? |
| 06:48.41 | Arafangion | simonrvn: If I had 1000 users, I'd probably use cyrus, but just 2-3? Pfft, I just used dovecot! :) |
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| 06:48.52 | amiralul | argh!! "why do you need 64bit OS?" |
| 06:49.03 | simonrvn | Arafangion: oh. well, the way debian has it set up, they're awful. i build my own. i use the debian stuff from svn, merge in my own stuff, plus some patches |
| 06:49.16 | simonrvn | Arafangion: sure |
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| 06:49.34 | Arafangion | simonrvn: It was a few years ago, but I did indeed use things as debian had them setup. |
| 06:50.12 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I'm compiling my own system soon, which will be nice imho, once I get the damn thing to boot. :) |
| 06:50.16 | simonrvn | so, i just end up with a bunch of .debs |
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| 06:50.29 | boodie | amiralul: I bought myself a 64 AMD, and I thought, wrongly, that installing a 64 bit OS was the right thing to do |
| 06:50.32 | amiralul | boodie: I have an Intel Core2 Duo system and installed 32bit version of Debian. For my desktop, is as fast as the 64bit version, plus everything just works :) |
| 06:50.49 | simonrvn | some stuff i do myself. openldap, cyrus, used to do bind9, couple other small things sometimes |
| 06:51.14 | Arafangion | simonrvn: This is a www.linuxfromscratch.org system, though I suspect that this is yet another "phase", and I'll return to debian. |
| 06:51.19 | boodie | fantastic; I am not going to reinstall the system, that's for sure |
| 06:51.21 | simonrvn | lately the last thing i did was apache2. wanted to get the security update from upstream |
| 06:51.33 | amiralul | boodie: imho, the 64bit does not worth the trouble yet... |
| 06:51.35 | simonrvn | i haven't left, heh |
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| 06:52.05 | simonrvn | amiralul, boodie: only if you're running a workstation/desktop |
| 06:52.10 | Arafangion | Heh. Well nice to talk to you simonrvn, but I must head off. :) |
| 06:52.16 | simonrvn | if it's a server, then 64b is nice |
| 06:52.22 | boodie | Well, if I knew, I would have bought a 2nd hand PC and installed a plain 32 bit |
| 06:52.25 | simonrvn | Arafangion: later, take care |
| 06:52.28 | amiralul | simonrvn: agreed |
| 06:52.29 | Arafangion | 64-bit systems are indeed nice for servers. |
| 06:52.32 | boodie | But now it's done |
| 06:53.01 | simonrvn | boodie: 32b chroot |
| 06:53.10 | amiralul | boodie: you know, your AMD will run fine 32bit Debian :) |
| 06:53.13 | boodie | too difficoult |
| 06:53.28 | simonrvn | not really |
| 06:53.32 | simonrvn | !debootstrap |
| 06:53.34 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 06:53.47 | boodie | I'll have to sit and wait |
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| 06:59.57 | shuveb | hi, how do i find out if a service is running or not? |
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| 07:00.37 | simonrvn | some init scripts (more, than before, now) support a 'status' arg |
| 07:00.46 | simonrvn | otherwise pidof is handy |
| 07:01.09 | hub_ | Google dont work... ?? is this right ? |
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| 07:01.35 | shuveb | simonrvn, ok, i think some of the scripts in sarge dont support 'status' |
| 07:01.39 | vivs | does anyone know how to restore normal copy paste behaviour in fedora? |
| 07:02.07 | simonrvn | shuveb: why are you using sarge? and yeh, some do, most don't |
| 07:02.36 | shuveb | simonrvn, that is a political problem |
| 07:03.23 | simonrvn | hrm. too bad. i hope you can get to resolve that soon. good luck with that |
| 07:03.39 | shuveb | simonrvn, thanks man. |
| 07:03.58 | vivs | basically when i select some text and then click both buttons |
| 07:04.01 | vivs | it doesnt paste |
| 07:04.24 | simonrvn | vivs: is emulate3buttons enabled? |
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| 07:04.41 | vivs | simonrvn, where do i check this? |
| 07:04.50 | simonrvn | !drxx vivs |
| 07:04.50 | dpkg | vivs: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 07:05.58 | vivs | thanks |
| 07:06.06 | vivs | i have a third button (wheel), using that works |
| 07:06.57 | simonrvn | oh yeh. just thought since you said "click both buttons", i assumed you just had 2 of them. <-- ASSuME |
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| 07:08.07 | predder | The daily cron "find" which runs updatedb logs the following error from su - "pam_authenticate: Permission denied" however, the script doesn't run su - it exports localuser="nobody" though.. any suggestions as to what's going on? |
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| 07:08.44 | simonrvn | probably root su'ing to nobody |
| 07:09.30 | nvz | no point in su'ing nobody, you can't hardly get money from nobody |
| 07:09.37 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:09.51 | genesis | anyone have a nicely tuned logcheck server ignore file? I've spent the last few weeks writing regexs' and its starting to get a bit much |
| 07:11.02 | predder | simonrvn, so the export localuser="nobody" then running updatedb is calling su somewhere in between? |
| 07:11.08 | nvz | * ignorance is bliss |
| 07:11.09 | genesis | nvz: it would be greatly appreciated :) |
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| 07:12.06 | genesis | heh |
| 07:12.07 | nvz | I have selective input filters anyhow.. so I don't need 3rd party filtration.. I only see/hear what I want to anyhow |
| 07:12.10 | nvz | like a woman |
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| 07:13.13 | simonrvn | predder: that's what usually happens with this sort of thing. i don't think it's an actual `su - nobody`, though sometimes it is |
| 07:13.28 | simonrvn | that in particular, i don't recall the details :/ |
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| 07:14.13 | simonrvn | crap |
| 07:14.17 | simonrvn | that hurt |
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| 07:16.00 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah you should hear it on a cd player.. |
| 07:16.11 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me with gnome-appearance-properties? When I start it, it immediately takes 100%CPU. I think it is to do with some config problem because when I try it as another user, it works fine. I tried removing .gconf and .gnome but neither worked. Can anyone help? |
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| 07:16.44 | simonrvn | i'm trying to get a music stream of powwow music... not having any luck |
| 07:17.12 | simonrvn | unfortunately they didn't consider !windows in their set up |
| 07:17.15 | nvz | hmm.. oh well.. Lisa Loeb it is then.. |
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| 07:19.46 | Blackhold | hello, how I could add dns into my debian through console? I heard about use /etc/nameserver but this file don't exists |
| 07:19.53 | nvz | o/ you say, I only hear what I want to... you say, I talk so - all the time - so... and I thought what I felt was simple, and I thought that I don't belong, and now that I am leaving I know that I did something wrong.. /o |
| 07:20.07 | simonrvn | Blackhold: it's because it's called /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:20.27 | billybong | got a dedi |
| 07:20.31 | billybong | they installed debian sarge |
| 07:20.36 | simonrvn | nvz: heh |
| 07:20.39 | Blackhold | ok thnks |
| 07:21.00 | billybong | but its french i've read that "dpkg-reconfigure locales" will change it to english |
| 07:21.04 | billybong | but the output is all in french |
| 07:21.10 | billybong | any idea how to change it to english ? |
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| 07:21.28 | simonrvn | so do LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:21.28 | nvz | simonrvn: what? :P |
| 07:21.36 | simonrvn | nvz: :) |
| 07:22.17 | nvz | well I'd rather have this stuck in my head than the theme song to Zoey 101 |
| 07:22.49 | simonrvn | for sure :) |
| 07:23.34 | nvz | or Ginuwine |
| 07:23.41 | nvz | I still catch myself walking down the street sometimes and bust out o/ the only time I drink a 40, is when I want to drink a 40, and usually when I wear a suit, I leave with not one but two oh- /o |
| 07:24.36 | nvz | .. Even though I made a debian cd, even though I don't watch Tv.. there ain't no chane in me.. just the same ol geek.. |
| 07:25.54 | nvz | though its good to get out an electric guitar a floral print skirt, and a trampoline and play that Meredith Brooks song "Bitch" every now and again too.. |
| 07:26.00 | nvz | oh wait.. is that just me? |
| 07:26.17 | nvz | hah, talk about one hit wonders |
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| 07:32.22 | simonrvn | nvz: good night then. i'm nearly broke ;p |
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| 07:32.52 | axscode | how to get kernel source? coz im installing asterisk and it needs kernel source. im using etch |
| 07:33.59 | vanksi | www.kernel.org |
| 07:34.24 | axscode | and how to install kernel source? |
| 07:34.53 | liable | axscode: you should be able to get by with headers for your kernel |
| 07:35.15 | liable | axscode: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 07:35.31 | axscode | ok ill do that |
| 07:35.46 | axscode | after i finish my ... apt-get upgrade |
| 07:35.49 | nvz | simonrvn: sheeiiit |
| 07:35.56 | nvz | simonrvn: I'd have to save up to be broke |
| 07:35.59 | Schalken | uhm, im cant seem to get the info out of dpkg, but what packages are needed for a very basic kde (kdebase and...)? |
| 07:36.04 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe |
| 07:36.07 | simonrvn | nvz: :( |
| 07:36.44 | simonrvn | Schalken: use aptitude |
| 07:37.04 | Schalken | simonrvn: am using aptitude. |
| 07:37.22 | simonrvn | you said dpkg |
| 07:37.36 | cydork | !install kde |
| 07:37.36 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 07:37.50 | Schalken | simonrvn: oh, soz, i mean the bot |
| 07:37.55 | Schalken | meant* |
| 07:38.03 | simonrvn | oh, alright |
| 07:38.13 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 07:38.47 | Schalken | simonrvn: yeah, but dont i need an xserver and display manager as well? |
| 07:39.01 | simonrvn | yeh just add xorg to that |
| 07:39.04 | simonrvn | 'xorg' |
| 07:39.23 | Schalken | simonrvn: so not "x-window-system-core"? |
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| 07:40.44 | simonrvn | no. you can always filter out what you don't want if that's too much (but x-strike force people recommend using the xorg meta-package) |
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| 07:42.06 | Schalken | simonrvn: okay, thanks. i will install "kdebase" and "xorg" and see if i can loginto it upon reboot. |
| 07:42.24 | simonrvn | reboot? |
| 07:42.45 | Schalken | simonrvn: after rebooting (restarting) the computer. |
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| 07:42.55 | simonrvn | why? |
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| 07:43.11 | simonrvn | (i know what it is, was just goofing) |
| 07:43.26 | Schalken | simonrvn: to see if it starts up a display manager automatically during boot. |
| 07:43.34 | axscode | linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version. |
| 07:43.37 | DawnLight | Schalken: the correct package is x-window-system |
| 07:44.01 | Schalken | DawnLight: I'm already installing "xorg" as per simonrvn's instruction. |
| 07:44.02 | cydork | DawnLight: no. |
| 07:44.03 | axscode | You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel installed. |
| 07:44.04 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 07:44.13 | Schalken | lol |
| 07:44.14 | DawnLight | cydork: why not? |
| 07:44.21 | cydork | !info x-window-system etch |
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| 07:44.26 | dpkg | x-window-system: (transitional package for Debian etch), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 07:45.01 | cydork | DawnLight: coz it's a transitional package. which anyways depends on xorg :) |
| 07:45.15 | simonrvn | !info xorg etch |
| 07:45.19 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
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| 07:46.14 | Schalken | ah, so the package "xorg" is part of the "x11" section. |
| 07:46.38 | DawnLight | right. shouldn't have said without checking |
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| 07:47.30 | DawnLight | aptitude is great. get aptitude-doc-* and get down with it |
| 07:47.48 | simonrvn | there's several sections. anything from admin to x11, passing through libdevel, libs, oldlibs... |
| 07:48.32 | DawnLight | i imagine the sections will be replaced in the future by the tags |
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| 07:50.31 | Schalken | DawnLight: okay, i'll install aptitude-doc-* after xorg. i only just found out how to get to the menu bar :P |
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| 07:51.49 | DawnLight | how does that feature in the BIOS "Wake on LAN" work? |
| 07:52.12 | jkitchen | google for 'wake on lan' |
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| 07:52.39 | Schalken | DawnLight: can you tell me when you find out? ive always wondered :P |
| 07:52.48 | cast | DawnLight: send out a special wol packet, any computer with the relevent mac will awake |
| 07:52.51 | DawnLight | will do, Schalken |
| 07:53.16 | DawnLight | cast: in debian? |
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| 07:53.36 | faber4 | good morning |
| 07:53.36 | cydork | DawnLight: enable it in your bios. install etherwake or wakeonlan. |
| 07:53.55 | Schalken | cast: how does it awake if its powered off? or is it in a special |
| 07:54.13 | Schalken | "sleeping" state that is different from normal suspend. |
| 07:54.21 | DawnLight | well, the modo does get some voltage from the psu |
| 07:54.28 | cast | Schalken: the computer is not completely off, on my mobo the lights still on for example... |
| 07:54.48 | Schalken | cast: hmm, true |
| 07:54.57 | faber4 | how can i find out how much total physical memory my system has? /proc/meminfo only sees the amount of memory available to my xen host / guests |
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| 07:55.19 | cast | found weirdo bug with nf2 integrated lan with wol: in linux, in order to make it wake up you have to reverse the mac |
| 07:55.33 | Schalken | cast: thats really cool, though. |
| 07:55.54 | axscode | where should the kernel source must be placed please? |
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| 07:56.27 | cast | axscode: extract them in the same place where apt put them |
| 07:56.54 | axscode | i dont know where apt put them |
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| 07:57.20 | DawnLight | that is a sick bug |
| 07:57.20 | cast | use dpkg -L pkg for the linux-source package then |
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| 07:59.12 | DawnLight | i've set the other box's BIOS to WOL |
| 07:59.41 | cast | integrated lan? |
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| 08:00.59 | DawnLight | yes. some old intel pentium ii board |
| 08:01.39 | DawnLight | apting etherwake... |
| 08:01.50 | simonrvn | probably forgot to set the thing to network byte order... |
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| 08:02.55 | DawnLight | hmm... can use the ethers database |
| 08:03.58 | DawnLight | probably should use the ethers database in the router box for the dhcp |
| 08:04.13 | simonrvn | /etc/ethers; won't exist by default (in case you don't know) |
| 08:05.01 | DawnLight | could be prevent some confusion, that factoid |
| 08:05.23 | Schalken | does a WOL packet have a destination IP, or is it broardcasted (255.255.255.255)? |
| 08:05.46 | simonrvn | !ethers |
| 08:06.23 | DawnLight | etherwake can broadcast to all or -b for broadcast address |
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| 08:08.29 | DawnLight | hmm... etherwake is not available to users by default |
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| 08:09.45 | DawnLight | how can i allow this to a specific user or a group |
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| 08:10.08 | cydork | DawnLight: sudo? |
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| 08:10.56 | DawnLight | can sudo allow only certain commands? |
| 08:11.04 | petemc | yes |
| 08:11.15 | DawnLight | i wonder why the etherwake didn't work |
| 08:11.42 | DawnLight | etherwake -i eth1 00:50:FC:C5:0E:E7 is the line... |
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| 08:14.04 | Schalken | DawnLight: can you confirm the packet was actually sent? |
| 08:14.27 | DawnLight | Schalken: how would i do that? but why wouldn't it be? |
| 08:14.48 | DawnLight | wireshark one of the other boxes? |
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| 08:15.37 | Schalken | DawnLight: just to know if the problem lies at the workstation or not. |
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| 08:24.00 | DawnLight | how would i filter the captured packets in wireshark to keep only the WOL packet? |
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| 08:29.48 | mike1o | how do I configure ssh so that I can type "ssh bob" instead of bob@23.43.12.22 ? |
| 08:30.15 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.53 | alex_ | mike1o, fyi editing /etc/hosts will make it bob@bob |
| 08:31.08 | kwadronaut | alex_: not if he's logged in as user bob locally too. |
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| 08:31.16 | alex_ | kwadronaut, assuming are we? |
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| 08:31.30 | DawnLight | no assuming in debian... |
| 08:31.35 | alex_ | :) |
| 08:32.27 | kwadronaut | :-) |
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| 08:34.49 | Supaplex | DawnLight: my openwrt wol sends it on udp port 40000 |
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| 08:35.27 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:35.43 | Supaplex | DawnLight: http://rafb.net/p/NfIUKA24.html |
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| 08:37.05 | eix | ok I have added a deb line for a package on snapshot.debian.net, now what should I do in order to install it? |
| 08:37.20 | Supaplex | it? |
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| 08:38.16 | eix | Supaplex: the package |
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| 08:38.39 | harpal | I have dhcpserver installed. and I want that dhcp request only allowded so that server can assign ip. What rule I apply? |
| 08:38.54 | Supaplex | ETOOVAGUE |
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| 08:41.11 | wahjava | hi channel |
| 08:41.20 | Supaplex | eix: man apt-get. snippet: A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals and the version of the package to select. This will cause that version to be located and selected for |
| 08:41.28 | wahjava | is it safe to install packages from lenny into etch ? |
| 08:41.35 | Supaplex | !woody |
| 08:41.36 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 08:41.47 | Supaplex | !bobbitt |
| 08:41.47 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 08:41.55 | Supaplex | wahjava: ^^^ |
| 08:42.30 | Supaplex | wahjava: consider backports, pinning, chroot install (to name a few options) |
| 08:42.57 | wahjava | Supaplex: okay, thanks |
| 08:43.21 | wahjava | Supaplex: where's the backports for etch ? I'm a new debian user. |
| 08:43.36 | Supaplex | !tell wahjava -about backports |
| 08:47.25 | DawnLight | i've suspected this to be the problem. i'm sending the WOL request from a box that is in 192.168.1.0 to a box that is in 192.168.2.0. how can i make that work? |
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| 08:50.21 | laserl | hi |
| 08:50.49 | laserl | I have a problem with nfs, I have mounted succesfully but cannot access a directory despite I have replicated groups, any hints? |
| 08:50.55 | Supaplex | DawnLight: I think it has to be on the same segment. the mac destination won't traverse a router |
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| 08:51.29 | DawnLight | Supaplex: in this case the router is a debian box, so perhaps it may be possible? |
| 08:51.43 | Supaplex | DawnLight: try it off the router |
| 08:51.59 | DawnLight | hmm |
| 08:52.01 | Supaplex | laserl: maybe in the server logs |
| 08:52.17 | DawnLight | will go offline for this |
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| 08:53.46 | laserl | supaplex: nothing in the logs |
| 08:54.04 | kwadronaut | got a little question about logcheck. It's sending /usr/bin/crontab[1493]: (root) LIST (nobody) (which makes sense, the find/updatedb is run by nobody), but i had a regex in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/cron (and logcheck.conf told to be on serverlogging). |
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| 08:54.37 | Supaplex | laserl: cannot access as in, denied? no denials, but no information? blocked reads? |
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| 08:54.43 | laserl | supaplex: same uid: it works, same gid: doesn't work |
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| 08:55.02 | laserl | so If I have to access file/dir owned by user (same uid) it works |
| 08:55.03 | kwadronaut | ^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ crontab\[[0-9]+\]: \([[:alnum:]-]+\) LIST \([[:alnum:]-]+\)$ is supposed to ignore that sort of entries |
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| 08:55.49 | laserl | but if I have to access file/dir owned by group (same gid) it doesn't work |
| 08:56.04 | Supaplex | laserl: and file is g+r to? |
| 08:56.17 | laserl | g+s |
| 08:56.45 | Supaplex | so it's setgid? |
| 08:56.56 | Supaplex | setgid executable? |
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| 08:57.18 | kwadronaut | any clues where to look next? i tested the above string and it seems to work |
| 08:57.37 | Supaplex | setgid nonexecutable files have no different effect than nonsetgid nonexecutable files. |
| 08:58.09 | laserl | supaplex, tried now in the server to create a file 640 owned by same gid |
| 08:58.09 | Supaplex | kwadronaut: as a postive, or negative match? |
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| 08:58.14 | laserl | cannot access |
| 08:58.31 | Supaplex | laserl: 640 isn't g+s :) |
| 08:58.50 | Supaplex | anyway, does 'id' report a member of the same group? |
| 08:58.59 | laserl | supaplex: yes, tried g+r |
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| 08:59.06 | kwadronaut | Supaplex: logcheck gets its data, then runs things like the above regex on it and ignores those |
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| 09:00.01 | laserl | supaplex: ah no |
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| 09:00.35 | Supaplex | laserl: enjoy. :) looks like we isolated it. |
| 09:00.56 | laserl | supaplex: thanks, it's ignoring new groups I added |
| 09:01.01 | Supaplex | kwadronaut: my regex brain has gone to sleep. I think I'll follow suit. maybe it's whitespace :) |
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| 09:02.04 | kwadronaut | í'll just say *argh* |
| 09:03.03 | laserl | supaplex: is there a limit for group membership? |
| 09:03.22 | laserl | I mean, it's missing new groups, user is alredy member of 14 groups |
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| 09:06.12 | axscode | whats the php mysql linker? |
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| 09:07.21 | SlayerXP | axscode: is that a trick question? |
| 09:07.32 | redduck666 | axscode: php[45]-mysql :/ |
| 09:07.56 | axscode | got it redduck666... not a trick SlayerXP |
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| 09:15.06 | slapfaceware | t |
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| 09:18.25 | lastnode_ | was just wondering if deb will pick up my atheros card during install (madwifi). i only have wireless net access, so if it doesnt, I need to download the needed packages first, to install. any ideas? |
| 09:18.41 | lastnode_ | *idea |
| 09:21.12 | sep | lastnode_, i think you need to install the madwifi after install using module-assistant |
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| 09:22.05 | lastnode_ | sep, so I get the deb, dpkg -i, then modprobe ? |
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| 09:22.32 | eix | how can I install gcc3 on debian-etch (and preserve my gcc4) ? |
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| 09:23.31 | sep | lastnode_, i use module-assistant to automate the building of the madwifi sources |
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| 09:24.15 | lastnode_ | sep, http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi <-- like that? |
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| 09:25.18 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:26.13 | sep | i used a pcimci nic to get net access while doing it. |
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| 09:27.15 | jayporter | !open-ssl |
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| 09:27.22 | song[exe] | Anyone around? |
| 09:27.28 | jayporter | no |
| 09:27.30 | Ronin | nope |
| 09:27.32 | jayporter | Youll have to come back later |
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| 09:27.44 | song[exe] | Anyone know how to set the 'deafult view' in Konqueror? |
| 09:27.54 | song[exe] | ie. to icons instead of whatever it is now. |
| 09:28.27 | jayporter | Jeez I suck at this helping thing |
| 09:28.35 | jayporter | I must admit I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 09:28.51 | lastnode_ | sep, a wired pcmci nic? |
| 09:29.18 | sep | lastnode_, i used a orinoco wireless one since it have drivers in kernel |
| 09:29.18 | song[exe] | In Kunqueror? When you open up an 'explorer' window (to be analgouous with Windows) |
| 09:29.19 | lastnode_ | song[exe], maybe ask in #kde? |
| 09:29.33 | song[exe] | lastnode_: I'll try -- thanks |
| 09:29.34 | jayporter | I understand that part |
| 09:29.37 | sep | lastnode_, but any card with builtin drivers will work |
| 09:29.38 | jayporter | ..... |
| 09:29.46 | claudio` | Is there a free alternative to the X11 "vesa" and "nv" drivers for the nVidia graphic cards? |
| 09:30.12 | lastnode_ | sep, I dont have any other card. this is a D-Link PCMCI wireless nic |
| 09:30.13 | sep | claudio`, nv is the free alternative to the propritary nvidia driver |
| 09:30.17 | appelza | the binary blob from nvidia is free ;p |
| 09:30.25 | cast | !free |
| 09:30.25 | dpkg | it has been said that free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
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| 09:30.49 | claudio` | sep: yes, but it don't seems to works as good as the proprietary counterpart |
| 09:31.07 | sep | claudio`, you dont get 3d acceleration probably |
| 09:31.12 | claudio` | sep: if i switch from "nvidia" to "nv" all graphics stuff become bad, fonts, resolution, etc. |
| 09:31.17 | cast | claudio`: BS |
| 09:31.21 | claudio` | sep: i don't need 3D acceleration |
| 09:31.24 | cast | claudio`: ohhh..ignore me :) |
| 09:31.31 | claudio` | cast ;) |
| 09:31.42 | claudio` | cast: i'll try. |
| 09:31.56 | sep | claudio`, you think it's suprising that the people that made the hardware can write better drivers then the poor people trying to reverse engeneer a working free driver ? |
| 09:32.02 | sep | you have to use the propritary one then |
| 09:32.27 | claudio` | sep: no, i'm not but i thought we could have at least an usable driver. We don't, indeed. |
| 09:32.28 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i need a way of syncing files across two machines, delete only files that were deleted, etc - any ideas? |
| 09:32.43 | cast | Super_Cat_Frog: rsync |
| 09:32.44 | sep | claudio`, might be something with your x config tho. |
| 09:32.45 | claudio` | Super_Cat_Frog: rsync is the way |
| 09:33.05 | sep | i havent noticed that bad 2d image from nv but... |
| 09:33.20 | claudio` | sep: i done a lot of checks, i'll continue to change and test my configuration |
| 09:33.22 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog, man rsync |
| 09:34.00 | Super_Cat_Frog | i know about rsync, but i wasn't sure it was going to handle conflicts, file deletions, etc? Basically, both servers will read, both will write to the same dir |
| 09:34.07 | sep | claudio`, well you can use the propritary tho. it's not like they are hard to install |
| 09:34.25 | eix | my smb:/// view shows nothing, although I can connect using smb://ip.addr.ess.here. Where should I specify the wins/dns server for my LAN ? |
| 09:34.26 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog, i usualy do that with a backend network fs. |
| 09:34.45 | sep | and there are things like unison that tries to be more inteligent about conflicts |
| 09:34.45 | cast | Super_Cat_Frog: things like unison will do two way syncing, but have not used it |
| 09:35.09 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: do you mean a master-master distrobuted file system ? Which do you use? |
| 09:35.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | obviously that would be preferable |
| 09:35.22 | sep | nfs or afs depending on need |
| 09:35.43 | Super_Cat_Frog | i thought nfs was many clients to 1 server ? |
| 09:35.48 | sep | correct |
| 09:35.53 | sep | or you can do iscsi |
| 09:36.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | ah, i thought you were telling me about features of nfs i didn't know about |
| 09:36.05 | sep | or nbd and raid1 2 partitions on your 2 machines |
| 09:36.10 | Super_Cat_Frog | cant do iscsi - tight budget |
| 09:36.25 | sep | iscsi is in linux kernel :) what's the pricetag ? :) |
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| 09:36.45 | Super_Cat_Frog | oh, i thought it needed hardware? |
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| 09:36.53 | sep | thats fiberchannel. |
| 09:37.02 | sep | iscsi is scsi across regular ip |
| 09:37.21 | sep | if you want to BOOT the server from the iscsi drive then you'd need specialiced hardware |
| 09:37.21 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: so its more of a replacement for nfs than what i want? |
| 09:37.33 | sep | but if you boot from a local harddrive you can use iscsi from the kernel |
| 09:37.45 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: ah, no, just some images/recordings/source/cache files |
| 09:38.00 | sep | just nfs export the area on one machine and mount it on the other. |
| 09:38.10 | sep | simple and it works (tm) |
| 09:38.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: is there anyway of using NBD without repartitioning? |
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| 09:38.50 | claudio` | sep: the problem is not if it's hard or not, but if it's free (as in freedom) or not. |
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| 09:39.11 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: cant do that, that would mean rewriting all the code that depends on there being one writing directory, which is the same as reading directory |
| 09:39.39 | Super_Cat_Frog | claudio`: better whip that bios out then |
| 09:39.45 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog i didnt get the problem, but i assume you know what you are doing |
| 09:40.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: yes, i'm just not up on all the options# |
| 09:40.27 | claudio` | Super_Cat_Frog: such concepts are fucking up the world. |
| 09:40.51 | claudio` | go to hack my X11 configuration |
| 09:40.53 | claudio` | bbl |
| 09:41.04 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog, i just didnt get why you could not write to nfs |
| 09:41.28 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: i can, but it has to be completely fault tolerant, so if the nfs server went down, i would lose access to the data |
| 09:42.04 | sep | obviously |
| 09:42.13 | lastnode_ | i download a testing (lenny) cd, can I dist-upgrade back to etch? :P |
| 09:42.19 | lastnode_ | im assuming no :) |
| 09:42.23 | sep | !downgrade |
| 09:42.23 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:42.28 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: and there's so much code that depends on the current file paths that i cant realistically change it all to behave with 'write to nfs, read locally, have a script to copy from nfs to local' |
| 09:42.41 | lastnode_ | thanks sep |
| 09:43.09 | tralala | where's the gnome "autostart" dir? |
| 09:43.30 | lastnode_ | tralala, you can add programs to autostart in sessions |
| 09:43.31 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog, i'd just set up a real sturdy nfs server. and mount that whereever the code wanted it to be and use it as if it was local disk |
| 09:44.20 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: i'm in the process of making our two webservers completely independant of each other, so either can safely break, and the sites will carry on going |
| 09:44.37 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog, then you need a sanish backend. |
| 09:44.42 | Super_Cat_Frog | ive got mysql master-master setup, now file replication is all thats left |
| 09:44.44 | sep | i would look at iscsi |
| 09:45.03 | sep | well depends on how in sync they would need to be ofcourse.. but it's what i would have done |
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| 09:45.16 | sep | redundant iscsi backend storage :) |
| 09:45.25 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: pretty much the same time (i could tolerate a few seconds) |
| 09:45.33 | cydork | Super_Cat_Frog: check out drbd.. |
| 09:45.51 | Super_Cat_Frog | cydork: thats master/slave (one rw node) at the moment |
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| 09:46.54 | cydork | Super_Cat_Frog: aah ok. |
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| 09:48.10 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog, Since DRBD-8.0.0 you can run both nodes in the primary role, |
| 09:48.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | sep: ah, ithought that was still in development |
| 09:48.45 | Super_Cat_Frog | i'll do some more reading on that then |
| 09:48.55 | Super_Cat_Frog | thanks chaps |
| 09:49.26 | sep | Super_Cat_Frog, dunno |
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| 09:51.54 | tralala | lastnode_, thanks |
| 09:52.17 | lastnode_ | np tralala |
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| 09:54.00 | Super_Cat_Frog | is it possible to create a 'dummy' block device in linux? eg: one that acts as a normal rw block device, but just sits on the filesystem as a single file? |
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| 09:54.53 | SlayerXP | Super_Cat_Frog: yes, of couse. google "loopback" |
| 09:55.04 | Super_Cat_Frog | SlayerXP: ta |
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| 10:00.24 | lastnode_ | sep, if I get the first dvd of debian etch, will it have the madfwifi sources on it? |
| 10:00.33 | lastnode_ | oh wait, deb doesnt ship non-free, right? :/ |
| 10:00.38 | sep | right |
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| 10:04.01 | lastnode_ | sep, if I get the packages on a usb stick and install them via that, and then follow the guide, it should be fine? |
| 10:04.33 | Ace2016 | anyone know a media player with visualisations? |
| 10:05.03 | petemc | rythmbox |
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| 10:05.59 | lastnode_ | xmms? |
| 10:06.07 | Ace2016 | are there lots of them? and i can run them full screen and stuff right? |
| 10:06.31 | Ace2016 | i prefer an app with a media library as i don't want to have to keep picking the songs |
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| 10:08.06 | Ace2016 | looks like its not installable in sid due to a dep of gstreamer |
| 10:08.40 | Blackhold | anyone knows if stable version supports a raid card of adaptec and model 1210SA? |
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| 10:09.56 | liable | Blackhold: yep |
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| 10:10.08 | liable | just ripped one out of my etch box :) |
| 10:10.14 | liable | was even supported in sarge |
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| 10:10.47 | liable | Blackhold: but its fakeraid card, you still need to use software raid in linux |
| 10:10.56 | Blackhold | you have one and it works okay? |
| 10:12.59 | Blackhold | liable wich software I shall use? |
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| 10:13.12 | liable | Blackhold: mdadm |
| 10:13.32 | Blackhold | okay |
| 10:13.39 | Blackhold | then gonna try how etch works :) |
| 10:14.09 | Blackhold | but I have new question |
| 10:14.22 | Blackhold | I've got the /home of my users on RAIN |
| 10:14.26 | Blackhold | RAID* |
| 10:14.44 | Blackhold | of I could say to installation to use RAID as /home dir? |
| 10:15.08 | Blackhold | of = how |
| 10:15.34 | liable | if its a supported linux filesystem, you should be able to use it |
| 10:15.44 | Blackhold | uh... ok |
| 10:15.49 | Blackhold | gonna try install first |
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| 10:21.38 | M0useP0t4t0 | I found out this weird thing, I was installing debian and I chose to set-up network later. After the installation finished, I enter IP & sunbet & gateway, but somhow everytime it boots-up it fails to connect properly |
| 10:22.15 | xand | M0useP0t4t0: define "fails to connect properly" |
| 10:22.18 | M0useP0t4t0 | the default 'connecting icon' shows it is connecting to '169.blah.blah', the one which debian auto-configured during instalaltion |
| 10:22.30 | M0useP0t4t0 | while my IP = 10.x.x.x |
| 10:24.08 | xand | the what icon? what does ifconfig say? |
| 10:24.49 | M0useP0t4t0 | ifconfig shows the info I entered, but when I try to ping my gateway, it fails |
| 10:25.00 | M0useP0t4t0 | I have to enter gateway & DNS again & again |
| 10:25.03 | appelza | route -n |
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| 10:26.35 | M0useP0t4t0 | I tried another installation, this time I configured network while installing & it works flawless |
| 10:28.41 | xand | !interfaces |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 10:28.57 | M0useP0t4t0 | thanks! I'll try |
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| 10:29.18 | i-bas | !static route |
| 10:29.18 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:31.59 | liable | just adding a gateway bit should do |
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| 10:32.31 | micromus | http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=disklayoutmm1.png - disklayout for my server, raid,lvm and encryption. will it work that way? |
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| 10:37.51 | thrashy | Anyone know a good all in one http/php server? |
| 10:38.18 | appelza | when I issue a command like chroot /mntfolder mkdir moo ; does chroot exit after the mkdir? |
| 10:38.30 | mindshift | how do I configure the system in debian? Which daemons I want to start at boot, which modules I want to load, time settings etc... |
| 10:38.41 | mindshift | where* |
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| 10:41.03 | mindshift | never mind |
| 10:41.27 | mindshift | Are most 32 bit programs ported to 64 bit architecture? |
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| 10:42.54 | empiric | hi all |
| 10:43.02 | empiric | i want to change date from command line |
| 10:43.05 | empiric | how i do that |
| 10:43.06 | liable | mindshift: yep except non-free ones |
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| 10:45.20 | boodie | Is there a tool to copy an encoded DVD? |
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| 10:46.18 | Blackhold | there's a way to force a mount to mount a partition that has got bad blocks? |
| 10:46.25 | Blackhold | with a simply mount it don't mounts |
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| 10:46.49 | axscode | soft.img: Linux Compressed ROM File System data, little endian size 2125824 version #2 sorted_dirs CRC 0x9ba60c9, edition 0, 1142 blocks, 79 files |
| 10:47.01 | axscode | hi anyone knows how to unpack this file? any utility that you can recommend please? |
| 10:47.54 | linio | axscode: mkdir x ; mount -o loop file x |
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| 10:48.31 | mindshift | omg the debian repos naming system is driving me crazy... |
| 10:49.06 | mindshift | nah, I can't work with this |
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| 10:49.34 | Penix | what a shame |
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| 10:50.11 | xand | emo |
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| 10:53.35 | xand | marika: don't do that |
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| 10:56.38 | xand | tard |
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| 10:57.18 | sudhakar | hello |
| 10:58.01 | plundra | That's pretty cool behaviour of the bot :-) |
| 10:58.22 | sudhakar | During installation of DVD it is showing error as "INSTALL SOFTWARE FAILED" |
| 10:58.47 | sudhakar | it is showing as Pkgsel got failed |
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| 10:59.13 | sudhakar | can anyone help me how to rectify |
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| 11:01.48 | yang | where is defined the timeout for ssh, i keep getting disconnected from remote servers... |
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| 11:03.39 | sudhakar | Anyone is there to provide the solution |
| 11:04.11 | Blackhold | there's a way to copy a disk with errors to an other disk omiting errors? |
| 11:04.31 | Blackhold | something like that -> cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb |
| 11:04.55 | Blackhold | with a -f |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'raw1394.ko' returned no results. |
| 11:05.03 | linio | dd |
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| 11:05.14 | Blackhold | wich wich options? |
| 11:05.25 | linio | ddrescue |
| 11:05.34 | linio | man dd :) |
| 11:05.54 | Blackhold | I don't understand a lot what I shall do :S |
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| 11:06.19 | linio | apt-get install ddrescue |
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| 11:06.53 | Blackhold | is a graphical tool? |
| 11:07.47 | linio | txt only |
| 11:08.15 | Blackhold | ok |
| 11:08.18 | Blackhold | is easy :) |
| 11:08.44 | Blackhold | I have the ill machine booted with that http://www.sysresccd.org/Download |
| 11:08.53 | Blackhold | this tool is installed |
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| 11:09.58 | Blackhold | ddrescue /dev/hda /dev/hdb error_logs |
| 11:10.09 | Blackhold | the ill hd is hda and new is hdb |
| 11:10.11 | Blackhold | that's ok |
| 11:10.12 | Blackhold | ? |
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| 11:13.52 | linio | try dd_rescue --help |
| 11:14.00 | reiser2 | Hi guys |
| 11:14.36 | reiser2 | is there any tool to crack wifi security? WEP and all that keys? |
| 11:14.50 | th00ry | aircrack |
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| 11:14.53 | th00ry | or airsnort |
| 11:15.27 | reiser2 | and that tool is good? |
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| 11:15.34 | reiser2 | crack any wifi net? |
| 11:15.40 | Blackhold | linio: it has 3 gb copied |
| 11:15.44 | Blackhold | 3 of 40 |
| 11:16.11 | Blackhold | linio: if it works I have to invite you to a virtual beer |
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| 11:17.55 | tralala | is there a way to tell how much video ram has been allocated for my video card? |
| 11:18.06 | tralala | aside from xorg.log that is |
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| 11:20.35 | petemc | lspci -vvv might say |
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| 11:22.10 | reiser2 | th00ry: with trhat tools i can break wifi keys? |
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| 11:24.17 | muh2000 | hmm |
| 11:25.01 | th00ry | reiser2: aircrack is for wep |
| 11:25.18 | th00ry | reiser2: but it also should work with wpa (although it takes longer and only under certain conditions) |
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| 11:25.33 | linio | Blackhold: just arrive in zamosc, poland and invite to real beer ;) |
| 11:25.49 | reiser2 | th00ry: how it works? |
| 11:25.54 | tralala | petemc, it says "Region 0: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]" but I'm pretty sure it isn't taking 128 |
| 11:26.11 | reiser2 | th00ry: srach available networks and gues the key |
| 11:26.11 | tralala | I think this card can go up to 32MB only |
| 11:26.13 | reiser2 | ? |
| 11:26.24 | th00ry | reiser2: never used it, it collects data and then cracks it. |
| 11:26.30 | reiser2 | ok |
| 11:26.33 | reiser2 | tl me test it |
| 11:26.37 | reiser2 | thanks man |
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| 11:27.23 | eth01 | how can i remove everything related to apache? i've removed it, but its still there? :| |
| 11:27.33 | th00ry | eth01: delete the folders? |
| 11:27.39 | th00ry | eth01: the configs normally aren't deleted |
| 11:27.43 | th00ry | (i think) |
| 11:27.57 | eth01 | neither is all the doc's. |
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| 11:30.23 | SlayerXP | anyone aware of a command line tool that, given a BTS number, will go and get a summary of the bug? |
| 11:30.41 | cast | does querybts do that? |
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| 11:31.26 | SlayerXP | cast: perfect, thankyou. |
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| 11:32.24 | SlayerXP | actually not quite perfect, I need something less ncurses |
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| 11:32.32 | Nick-Sp | hi fellas |
| 11:32.53 | Nick-Sp | i have a question |
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| 11:33.13 | Nick-Sp | how i uncompress a tgz archive? |
| 11:33.28 | cast | Nick-Sp: man tar |
| 11:33.29 | SlayerXP | Nick-Sp: is google illegal where you live? |
| 11:33.50 | Nick-Sp | SlayerXP:like this |
| 11:33.52 | Nick-Sp | http://www.google.com.br/search?hl=pt-BR&q=debian+descompactar+.tgz&btnG=Pesquisar&meta= |
| 11:33.59 | Nick-Sp | ¬¬ |
| 11:34.22 | zrin | what is the best (most straightforward) way to get a more recent kernel for etch? I've tried to get the kernel from testing, but the headers depend on kbuild-2.6.22 which depends on libc6 2.6.x :/ |
| 11:34.47 | Nick-Sp | any1 know? |
| 11:34.47 | cast | zrin: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 11:36.18 | zrin | cast: thank you |
| 11:36.33 | Nick-Sp | nothing in usefull in tar manual |
| 11:36.43 | Nick-Sp | nothinh is* |
| 11:36.51 | Ronin | Nick-Sp: then reread it |
| 11:36.52 | disco\\ | I can't remove dovecot, keep getting error messages: http://pastebin.com/m5b62471a , anybody know why? |
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| 11:38.29 | Nick-Sp | Ronin: again.... oh my... |
| 11:38.56 | cast | Nick-Sp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tgz :) |
| 11:39.26 | Nick-Sp | ty cast |
| 11:39.30 | Nick-Sp | let me see |
| 11:39.51 | eth01 | how can i remove everything related to apache? i've removed it, but its still there? :| |
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| 11:43.19 | tralala | why would I get "Failed to change the screen configuration!" from "xrandr -o left"? It worked just fine once. |
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| 11:51.29 | venk | hello im a getting an error like this while installing "package selection step failed" |
| 11:51.49 | venk | myself created an install cd |
| 11:52.17 | venk | so plz help me to resolve this error |
| 11:52.33 | venk | hello im a getting an error like this while installing "package selection step failed" |
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| 11:58.44 | tralala | venk, any more details on tty4? |
| 11:59.24 | venk | tralala, im not getting |
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| 12:01.29 | tralala | venk, oh a custom install cd? |
| 12:01.52 | venk | tralala, ya |
| 12:02.17 | venk | tralala, i created an install DVD based on debian |
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| 12:02.43 | venk | but i think some packages are getting install |
| 12:03.02 | Chrononaut | where is the best place to track debian unstable development? |
| 12:03.13 | venk | sorry i think some packages are not getting install |
| 12:03.23 | venk | tralala, r u there |
| 12:03.28 | Bac0n | modprobe: modprobe: cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/2007... Read-only file... how can i trace what causing this ? |
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| 12:04.20 | venk | tralala, im trying so many times but im getting same error |
| 12:04.46 | venk | tralala, but it boots fine |
| 12:04.51 | Bac0n | it seem to write to ksymoops dir anyway ... but i cant figure out what causing it |
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| 12:05.07 | Sheogorath | [AMSG] Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard sera disponible à la vente dans exactement 4 heures. |
| 12:07.13 | tralala | venk, sorry - can't help. I've never tried to create a custom installer |
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| 12:07.47 | tralala | Bac0n, the fs mounted read-only? |
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| 12:08.20 | Bac0n | yes root=/... ro |
| 12:09.12 | Bac0n | root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 12:09.18 | venk | tralala, k |
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| 12:09.52 | tralala | Bac0n, the rootfs is normally remoutned as rw during boot. It doesn't when a fs problem is discovered |
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| 12:10.25 | Bac0n | so should i set it to rw |
| 12:10.33 | Bac0n | in grub |
| 12:10.38 | tralala | no |
| 12:10.48 | tralala | you should see what's the problem the fs has |
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| 12:11.04 | Bac0n | no problem |
| 12:11.09 | Bac0n | super clean |
| 12:12.38 | tralala | "touch /REMOVEME" working? |
| 12:12.51 | Bac0n | this modprobe line is first line afdter freeing kernel something |
| 12:13.13 | Bac0n | yes yes |
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| 12:14.18 | tralala | so your fs is fine |
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| 12:14.27 | tralala | this is probably caused by the initrd image |
| 12:14.37 | Bac0n | nothing is wrong .... its just that line i cant figure out what causing it |
| 12:14.40 | tralala | the error message I mean |
| 12:16.37 | Bac0n | ok i will look at the initrd |
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| 12:18.30 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 12:18.50 | Ramattack | does anybody know if a tap network interface could work as its alone? |
| 12:18.56 | Ramattack | without a br0 interface? |
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| 12:19.41 | bcroq | hi all |
| 12:20.26 | _neotic | Ramattack: yes ofc |
| 12:20.43 | bcroq | I want to tell apt-get (or aptitude) to install a package A and its recommanded packages, but not package B (that is recommended)... is it possible ? |
| 12:20.51 | Ramattack | _neotic, but it needs a br0 for making bridging am I wrong ? |
| 12:21.08 | _neotic | Ramattack: you don't need to bridge |
| 12:21.32 | Ramattack | and it behaves the sameway as a tun interface then? |
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| 12:22.45 | Ramattack | _neotic, could it have performance impact? |
| 12:22.47 | SoulChild | hey all, is there a way to change from 32-bit to 64-bit without loosing my configuration ???? |
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| 12:22.55 | c0ntr4 | Debian sucks dick |
| 12:23.02 | cast | SoulChild: sure, back it up and then restore it. |
| 12:23.32 | SoulChild | cast: is there no way, just to change my reposotories and make a sys update ??? |
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| 12:23.59 | cast | SoulChild: you can't switch between arches |
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| 12:24.33 | Ramattack | could anyone know this please? |
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| 12:25.20 | SoulChild | cast: well what's the best way to backup my current state, if i just backup my home-folder, i will loose the way my packages are configured |
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| 12:26.42 | eth01 | that sure made my pc beep |
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| 12:26.51 | mortal1 | eh wtf? |
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| 12:27.05 | mortal1 | what was all that about? |
| 12:27.06 | Ronin | got to love entsplits |
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| 12:27.12 | Ronin | netsplits even |
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| 12:27.33 | mortal1 | holy crap |
| 12:27.34 | mortal1 | lol |
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| 12:27.48 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates |
| 12:27.52 | Ramattack | should go now |
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| 12:27.59 | Ramattack | have a nice weekend and day |
| 12:28.00 | Ramattack | :) bye |
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| 12:28.57 | SoulChild | is there a way to backup which packages are installed and, which are not ??? |
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| 12:29.06 | mortal1 | is there any way to search for a whole word in aptitude? |
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| 12:29.34 | mortal1 | like say I only want to find mc, not mclibblahblah.so |
| 12:29.43 | mortal1 | etc |
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| 12:31.17 | c0ntr4 | Do you know the difference between debian user and a monkey? |
| 12:31.21 | c0ntr4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.32 | c0ntr4 | Ask debian user once, get moronic answer three times ! |
| 12:31.47 | Ronin | when your done trolling c0ntr4 let us know |
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| 12:32.38 | cast | mortal1: As ^ms$ did something |
| 12:32.45 | c0ntr4 | Ronin, don't worry ronin, I'm sad you can't clearly see when I'm finished with trolling, maybe you need to install an RTFM and STFW interfaces? |
| 12:32.57 | cast | mortal1: i mean, aptitude search did..As is my alias :> |
| 12:33.23 | cast | /ignore =time 6400 c0ntr4 :) |
| 12:33.33 | c0ntr4 | hahaha ! Aptitude is the biggest shit I've ever seen, don't you feel stupid, cast? Emerge is much better |
| 12:33.33 | cast | -time even |
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| 12:33.47 | _neotic | c0ntr4: more |
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| 12:34.16 | c0ntr4 | _neotic, why not less? More is suitable for newbies like you, less is better |
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| 12:34.31 | mortal1 | ah, sweet silence |
| 12:34.46 | _neotic | c0ntr4: gentoo |
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| 12:35.14 | c0ntr4 | _neotic, yea dude. man more > 1 && man less > 2 && diff 1 2 | less |
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| 12:35.45 | pingouin_ | isn't just a file browser under debian ? ;) |
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| 12:36.49 | c0ntr4 | less is an opposite of more |
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| 12:38.02 | c0ntr4 | "man more > 1 && man less > 2 && diff -n 1 2 | less" will be more understandable way to see how powerful it is, while more is only trivial |
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| 12:39.11 | mortal1 | That ^ms$ didn't work for me |
| 12:39.16 | Hoxzer | screen -r |
| 12:39.20 | c0ntr4 | Debian sucks balls, it's for lamers and other losers |
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| 12:39.34 | mortal1 | anyone else have any ideas on whole word searching in aptitude |
| 12:39.36 | mortal1 | ? |
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| 12:40.40 | stew | mortal1: its regex so you can use \b to match a word boundary, and so '\bword\b' would match a whole 'word' only |
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| 12:41.12 | mortal1 | stew: yet another time when not knowing regex hurts me :( |
| 12:41.16 | mortal1 | lol |
| 12:41.19 | mortal1 | ty |
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| 12:43.05 | zrin | I just rebooted etch with 2.6.22 from backports, lm-sensors (sensors) shows the temperatures, but gkrellm can't find any sensors besides from hddtemp? is it just a difference between 2.6.18 and 2.6.22? |
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| 12:46.59 | eolhyte_ | Hello |
| 12:47.11 | eolhyte_ | I have a REALLY BIG problem |
| 12:47.33 | eolhyte_ | My microSD card is broken, and I have to rescue its data. |
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| 12:48.11 | eolhyte_ | I want to now if it is possible. |
| 12:48.30 | stew | eolhyte_: try #hardware |
| 12:48.34 | dcnoye | how did i break ? |
| 12:48.36 | eolhyte_ | Ok |
| 12:48.51 | eolhyte_ | (I broke it in my pocket) |
| 12:48.52 | dcnoye | *how did it break? |
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| 12:49.15 | dcnoye | so it physically broken? |
| 12:49.23 | eolhyte_ | Yes, dcnoye |
| 12:50.02 | dcnoye | how bad ? like just the plastic ? or the metal as well? |
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| 12:50.45 | eolhyte_ | the plastic is broken |
| 12:51.10 | eolhyte_ | It's just the plastic |
| 12:51.14 | dcnoye | i would just super glue it back together.... |
| 12:51.31 | dcnoye | then pray :D |
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| 12:51.52 | eolhyte_ | dcnoye, I want to backup its data, and take them to a new card |
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| 12:52.37 | dcnoye | do you have a reader ? |
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| 12:52.44 | dcnoye | *sd reader? |
| 12:52.55 | eolhyte_ | Yes I have, dcnoye |
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| 12:53.08 | dcnoye | can you mount the device ? |
| 12:53.31 | reiser2 | is there any application like AutoCad for linux? |
| 12:53.53 | eolhyte_ | dcnoye, I try |
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| 12:54.32 | pingouin_ | reiser2: qcad - A professional CAD System in apt, there is also a non-free software that i forget the name |
| 12:54.57 | eolhyte_ | reiser2, BricsCAD |
| 12:55.00 | dcnoye | i think this is what you need to do --- dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/filename bs=512 |
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| 12:55.17 | reiser2 | ok, thanks |
| 12:55.28 | eolhyte_ | dcnoye, thank you |
| 12:55.35 | dcnoye | then put the new card in |
| 12:55.36 | eolhyte_ | I will try that |
| 12:55.40 | dcnoye | and do this |
| 12:55.58 | reiser2 | BricsCAD is not in the repository? |
| 12:56.07 | dcnoye | dd if=/filename of=/dev/sda1 |
| 12:56.19 | eolhyte_ | reiser2, BricsCAD is not free AND not open-source |
| 12:56.24 | eolhyte_ | You have to buy it |
| 12:56.30 | eolhyte_ | Thank you dcnoye |
| 12:56.32 | reiser2 | hummmm |
| 12:56.33 | eolhyte_ | I have to go |
| 12:56.40 | thechef | I want to install mumble on debian etch, are there unofficial packages, backports, or source packages somewhere? What's the easiest way to install it on debian etch? |
| 12:56.41 | dcnoye | k, ciao |
| 12:56.49 | waltz | good morning welcome to your life enjoy your day |
| 12:57.13 | reiser2 | ok installing qcad |
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| 12:58.39 | reiser2 | qcad can`t open DWG files |
| 12:58.57 | reiser2 | i am testing, but it show nothing when i open dwg files |
| 12:59.33 | reiser2 | it only open dxf |
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| 13:01.11 | Eulex | reiser2, you asked for an application 'like autocad', not for an application that would be able to open autocad files. |
| 13:01.35 | cast | vim can open autocad files |
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| 13:01.43 | reiser2 | thanks |
| 13:01.54 | reiser2 | sorry, i just make a comment |
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| 13:02.13 | reiser2 | actually i am using lx-viewer with some problems |
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| 13:02.16 | Eulex | cast, :) |
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| 13:03.18 | Seaprince | Hi, folks. |
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| 13:06.02 | Seaprince | How can i set the group of file when it was created? |
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| 13:07.36 | Seaprince | i want all file create by user belong to a specify group |
| 13:08.00 | reiser2 | some body here knows lx-viewer ? |
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| 13:09.09 | stew | Seaprince: add the group sticky bit to the directory and make that directory owned by the group |
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| 13:09.41 | stew | Seaprince: oh wait, if you just want all files created by one user to be a certain group then change that user's default group |
| 13:09.47 | stew | (which is the one listed in /etc/passwd) |
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| 13:15.05 | Seaprince | stew: thanks a lot. i think the first solution is just what i want. |
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| 13:20.52 | waseem57 | hi... do you know if i can separate a large pdf file into two or more smaller parts and again get the original file? |
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| 13:21.45 | Eulex | waseem57, man split |
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| 13:22.02 | Eulex | the parts won't be openable, though. |
| 13:22.15 | Eulex | to put them together again, just cat them together. |
| 13:22.15 | streuner | !info psutils |
| 13:22.18 | ZooL_McFly | Üdv mindenkinek |
| 13:22.22 | dpkg | psutils: (A collection of PostScript document handling utilities), section text, is optional. Version: 1.17-24 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 13:22.34 | ZooL_McFly | kernel frissítésben tud valaki segíteni nekem? |
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| 13:23.10 | streuner | waseem57: look at the package psutils too |
| 13:23.17 | Eulex | !hu |
| 13:23.17 | dpkg | hmm... hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
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| 13:23.37 | ZooL_McFly | oksa, thx |
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| 13:26.49 | dpkg | it has been said that sk is Slovakia. |
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| 13:41.32 | ukh | what controls nautilus URL handlers? if I happen to install say, epiphany or opera, nautilus will happily open desktop links using those browsers no matter what gconf and x-www-browser says. |
| 13:43.20 | cast | nfi, maybe #gnome knows |
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| 13:46.10 | holycow | hi guys |
| 13:46.18 | cast | hello |
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| 13:46.31 | holycow | would anyone know if a sata desktop hard drive has the same power specs as a sata laptop hd? |
| 13:46.52 | holycow | i have a sata cradle and was curious if it might work without some sort of power converter |
| 13:47.31 | cast | i imagine laptop use less power as they spin slower, but the manufactures have such data |
| 13:47.42 | waseem57 | Eulex: Thanks split worked. |
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| 13:49.30 | abrotman | holycow: the website should have those specs .. or ask #hardware |
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| 14:15.14 | jelly | !test |
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| 14:15.19 | jelly | %test |
| 14:15.24 | jelly | @test |
| 14:15.25 | ravenbird | No, jelly, you're not online any more. |
| 14:15.34 | jelly | ravenbird: who owns you |
| 14:15.35 | ravenbird | SimonRaven |
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| 14:16.08 | jelly | I suppose could have figured that one out. |
| 14:16.18 | jelly | @listvalues cbq |
| 14:16.21 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'cbq' by value (1): cbq. |
| 14:16.25 | jelly | cbq |
| 14:16.28 | jelly | @ccbq |
| 14:16.29 | Amiralul | I have NTP installed, in KDE on clock, Adjust Time and Date, it is set to update automaticly, but every time I reboot, my clock is 3 hours in advanced |
| 14:16.32 | jelly | @cbq |
| 14:16.33 | ravenbird | cbq is probably Class Based Queueing, a queuing method for traffic control. Like limiting or reserving bandwith for a certain kind of traffic. A CBQ can contains multiple classes, which contain other queues themself |
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| 14:17.30 | jelly | Amiralul: do you have windows on that machine too? |
| 14:17.58 | Amiralul | I have, though haven't booted in XP for a few weeks now |
| 14:18.08 | jelly | Amiralul: grep ^UTC /etc/default/rcS |
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| 14:18.53 | atlfalcons866 | is it possible to use reisierfs4 |
| 14:19.01 | Amiralul | jelly: UTC=no |
| 14:19.10 | cast | atlfalcons866: sure is |
| 14:19.32 | jelly | Amiralul: ok, that's a reasonable value for dual-boot machine. |
| 14:19.33 | atlfalcons866 | are packages updated during a stable release |
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| 14:20.08 | Amiralul | jelly: so, what should I do? |
| 14:20.15 | jelly | atlfalcons866: in general no, only critical and security bugs are fixed, and no new versions are introduced |
| 14:20.31 | atlfalcons866 | then what distro has all the latest software then |
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| 14:20.41 | naitse | hi all |
| 14:20.50 | Amiralul | atlfalcons866: debian unstable :) |
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| 14:21.01 | atlfalcons866 | ok |
| 14:21.03 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:21.11 | atlfalcons866 | is it possible to install from a network |
| 14:21.16 | atlfalcons866 | i dont have a cd burner |
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| 14:21.30 | naitse | how can i quit the computer icon from desktop? |
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| 14:21.41 | jelly | atlfalcons866: have you read the release notes for various installation options? |
| 14:21.44 | biopyte | hi folks, aptitude wants to upgrade 'xserver-xorg-core' (lenny). i'm not so sure if i want to do that. how can i find out more about this update? |
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| 14:22.11 | abrotman | biopyte: you likely do .. |
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| 14:22.32 | \amethyst | biopyte: if you're in the UI, you can press capital C over the package in question to get the debian changelog |
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| 14:22.35 | DustyDingo | hm, i can't figure out how i can start two firefox processes at once? |
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| 14:22.39 | atlfalcons866 | i might buy a book about debian |
| 14:22.48 | \amethyst | DustyDingo: you need to use a different profile for the second one |
| 14:22.59 | biopyte | abrotman: xserver updates were not always amusing in the past for me. |
| 14:23.03 | \amethyst | DustyDingo: firefox -P myotherprofile |
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| 14:24.10 | biopyte | \amethyst: thanks. what would be the commandline equivalent. google is your friend, i guess? |
| 14:24.20 | biopyte | :) |
| 14:24.25 | abrotman | apt-listchanges |
| 14:24.25 | atlfalcons866 | is debian and ubuntu the same |
| 14:24.31 | biopyte | thank you |
| 14:24.40 | abrotman | biopyte: or check packages.debian.org |
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| 14:24.49 | cast | atlfalcons866: fuck no. http://wikipedia.org |
| 14:24.50 | biopyte | ok |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | biopyte: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xorg-server_1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny1/changelog |
| 14:25.04 | atlfalcons866 | i use ubuntu right now |
| 14:25.04 | stew | atlfalcons866: they are similar but different projects with different goals. most of ubuntu's packages are derrived from debian's |
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| 14:25.13 | DustyDingo | \amethyst: is there way to simply clone an existing profile? i assume that issues accure when i simply copy and rename |
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| 14:26.43 | atlfalcons866 | could i try debian from a virtual machine |
| 14:26.46 | biopyte | abrotman: thats what ive been lookin for. thx. |
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| 14:27.29 | stew | atlfalcons866: yes |
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| 14:29.29 | atlfalcons866 | whats the default filesystem in debian |
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| 14:29.54 | stew | atlfalcons866: ext3 |
| 14:29.58 | atlfalcons866 | ok |
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| 14:30.35 | biopyte | BTW, how can i tweak 'aptitude upgrade' (commandline), so that upgraded packages are listed in a column (only one per line) and with full version number (not only the name)? |
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| 14:32.14 | atlfalcons866 | where can i find the release notes |
| 14:32.16 | Nyle | Good morning |
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| 14:32.28 | E-bola | I just installed a new HP dl360 with 4gb ram, but debian onyl reports about 3,3gb ? |
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| 14:32.32 | E-bola | Im using a stock 2.6 kernel |
| 14:32.33 | apollo13 | hi, does anyone knows of a bug in xserver as it crashes on opengl video output (vlc/mplayer/xine, so doesn't matter which player). my carddrivers are ther original from nvidida |
| 14:32.35 | E-bola | whats wrong? |
| 14:32.49 | Nyle | E-bola: maybe the hw is adressing the rest? |
| 14:32.57 | biopyte | the version number refers to the upgrading package, of course. |
| 14:33.19 | Nyle | I've never had 4gb ram ;) |
| 14:33.23 | E-bola | nyle: i thought that only happened in windows? |
| 14:33.44 | Nyle | E-bola: which kernel are you using? |
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| 14:34.23 | E-bola | 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP |
| 14:34.30 | E-bola | on a xeon quadcore |
| 14:34.39 | Kevin`_ | E-bola it's possible the debian kernel is compiled with support for only up to 4gb ram, because most people don't have more then that (it's an option, and increases performance slightly to leave it lower), but it either is or isn't, and a debian developer would know |
| 14:34.40 | Nyle | that maybe it |
| 14:34.45 | Kevin`_ | or just look at the kernel config |
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| 14:34.51 | atlfalcons866 | does debian have a partition resizer in the installion |
| 14:34.53 | psufan | guys |
| 14:34.57 | E-bola | well 4gb should be enough? |
| 14:35.02 | psufan | I have a knoppix-nsm install based on debian |
| 14:35.08 | et | 640kb should be enough |
| 14:35.09 | stew | atlfalcons866: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 14:35.12 | E-bola | there is 4 1gb ram slots in the |
| 14:35.13 | et | (for everybody) |
| 14:35.17 | Kevin`_ | E-bola what will this computer be doing? |
| 14:35.18 | psufan | I need to add /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables clear to the end of the startup scripts so it allows login |
| 14:35.18 | Nyle | Kevin`_: thats not it, I don't know exactly what the reason is, but on my boss's machine, with 4gb ram, it didn't detect all 4gb until I upgraded to 2.6.20 |
| 14:35.22 | psufan | but I can't find a rc.local |
| 14:35.23 | Nyle | but it could be it |
| 14:35.25 | E-bola | kevin: virus/mail scanning |
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| 14:35.37 | stew | atlfalcons866: you also might want the install guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 14:35.42 | epsilon | hm |
| 14:35.45 | atlfalcons866 | ok thanks |
| 14:35.56 | E-bola | nyle: did u compile ur self (2.6.20) ? |
| 14:35.58 | Nyle | in fact 2.6.20 reported correctly 4gb ram, on testing, while in etch I still saw 3 |
| 14:36.05 | stew | psufan: are you running debian? |
| 14:36.07 | Nyle | E-bola: yes I did |
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| 14:36.30 | Kevin`_ | E-bola on my computer the kernel is set for 0-2gb ram, default 2.6.18-5-486 kernel |
| 14:36.30 | psufan | it's based on debian |
| 14:36.35 | epsilon | I connected th network cable after booting the etch box, now eth0 is listed in ifconfig -a, but not active. ifdown/up or init.d/network restart doesn't help. why? |
| 14:36.45 | stew | psufan: debian doesn't have /etc/rc.d/init.d ; what distro are you running? |
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| 14:37.03 | E-bola | kevin: how can i check? |
| 14:37.19 | Kevin`_ | E-bola look in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:37.22 | Kevin`_ | looking for these: |
| 14:37.23 | Kevin`_ | CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 14:37.23 | Kevin`_ | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set |
| 14:37.23 | Kevin`_ | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 14:37.39 | harpal | I want to install c++, g++ which packet I install |
| 14:37.51 | Nyle | harpal: build-essential |
| 14:37.52 | E-bola | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 14:38.02 | Nyle | that should take care of stuff |
| 14:38.02 | E-bola | so thats ok? |
| 14:38.05 | Nyle | !b-e |
| 14:38.07 | Kevin`_ | that's probably your problem |
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| 14:38.20 | Kevin`_ | should be set to 64 for 4gb and up |
| 14:38.22 | E-bola | doesnt it mean i can address up to 4gb? |
| 14:38.33 | E-bola | kevin: but I only have 4gb int he machine |
| 14:38.45 | atlfalcons866 | how much ram is needed to run debian |
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| 14:38.53 | stew | atlfalcons866: 32 mb |
| 14:38.56 | Kevin`_ | I still think it would be a problem, because of the split address space |
| 14:38.57 | Nyle | maybe 62mb to 128mb |
| 14:39.04 | Nyle | stew: holy cow |
| 14:39.12 | Kevin`_ | just try it and see what happens, k? :) |
| 14:39.13 | Nyle | stew: thats awesome |
| 14:39.14 | Kevin`_ | then tell me :) |
| 14:39.14 | atlfalcons866 | wow ubuntu 7.10 requries 384MB |
| 14:39.26 | Nyle | atlfalcons866: ubuntu is primarily a desktop os |
| 14:39.36 | Nyle | atlfalcons866: if you run ubuntu server edition, it does not require that much |
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| 14:39.56 | fireba11 | can someone explain to me how i can get a message "bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long" if a folder contains 7k files ? what am i supposed to use instead ? |
| 14:39.56 | Nyle | of course, if you install X and window manager on top of debian, requirement shoots upto 64+ from 32 |
| 14:39.59 | atlfalcons866 | i just hope ubuntu doesnt become like vista and need 1Gb |
| 14:40.20 | Nyle | atlfalcons866: offtopic |
| 14:40.34 | Kevin`_ | fireba11 to remove all files in the directory? |
| 14:40.38 | fireba11 | atlfalcons866: also, you mean 8 GB :-D |
| 14:40.58 | \amethyst | fireba11: the problem is, there is a maximum command-line length of 128K |
| 14:40.58 | stew | fireba11: echo * | xargs rm |
| 14:40.58 | fireba11 | Kevin`_ : yes, i did a rm -f /path/to/folder/* |
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| 14:41.00 | Kevin`_ | fireba11 remove the * |
| 14:41.08 | Kevin`_ | and add -r |
| 14:41.18 | stew | fireba11: echo /path/to/folder/* | xargs rm |
| 14:41.25 | Kevin`_ | (will of course remove subdirectories then) |
| 14:41.36 | et | stew: won't change a thing |
| 14:41.50 | E-bola | kevin: how can i get my hands on a stock debian kernel with 64g enabled? |
| 14:41.51 | stew | et: yes it would |
| 14:41.54 | fireba11 | Kevin`_ : am okay with that .. question is why doesn't the otehr way work for large folders ? |
| 14:42.18 | Nyle | E-bola: hmm.. u se amd64 |
| 14:42.20 | Kevin`_ | E-bola not sure, have to ask someone who knows more about debian development |
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| 14:42.22 | \amethyst | fireba11: because it tries to call the rm command with over 128K of command-line arguments |
| 14:42.31 | fireba11 | \amethyst : ouch |
| 14:42.39 | Nyle | 128k |
| 14:42.44 | Nyle | what the fuck |
| 14:42.48 | E-bola | Nyle: umm i ahve an intel cpu... |
| 14:42.53 | Nyle | E-bola: which one? |
| 14:42.57 | Nyle | oh xeon |
| 14:42.58 | E-bola | Xeon quadcore 2ghz |
| 14:43.04 | Nyle | so run ia64? |
| 14:43.07 | fireba11 | \amethyst : so it actually gives the whole list of files to rm ? |
| 14:43.14 | E-bola | im not itnerested in running a 64bit kernel |
| 14:43.18 | \amethyst | fireba11: yes, that's how the shell works (unlike DOS) |
| 14:43.20 | Kevin`_ | E-bola unless you have itanium a 64bit intel cpu is amd64, but xeon is 32bit anyway right? |
| 14:43.20 | E-bola | it would introduce overhead |
| 14:43.21 | stew | xeons are not ia64 |
| 14:43.29 | E-bola | kevin: no xeon is 64bit |
| 14:43.31 | kwadronaut | Nyle: for xeon?? i thought that was something else |
| 14:43.34 | E-bola | but i dont want to run a 64bit kernel |
| 14:43.36 | fireba11 | i see |
| 14:43.37 | Nyle | I have no idea man |
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| 14:43.49 | fireba11 | thanks everyone |
| 14:43.50 | Nyle | I don't screw around with that kinda stuff, thanks for correcting me |
| 14:43.53 | Kevin`_ | E-bola apt-cache search linux-image have anything that looks appropriate? |
| 14:43.53 | kwadronaut | Nyle: itanium = ia64 |
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| 14:44.00 | Nyle | ohhh thats right |
| 14:44.04 | Nyle | kwadronaut: thanks |
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| 14:44.23 | E-bola | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem |
| 14:44.26 | E-bola | that looks interesting |
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| 14:45.03 | stew | E-bola: -bigmem means it has the 64GB option |
| 14:45.03 | wols_ | E-bola: with a bigmem kernel you introduce overhead |
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| 14:45.16 | Kevin`_ | stew you coulda said 10 minutes ago.. :) |
| 14:45.22 | E-bola | wols: well not as much as using a 64bit kernel would? |
| 14:45.27 | Nyle | seriously |
| 14:45.32 | E-bola | stew: ahh perfect then |
| 14:45.48 | fireba11 | Kevin`_ : had a daily cronjob delete all read messages in my smap folder ... stoped working because there were too much files in there ^^ |
| 14:45.49 | E-bola | What woudl u guys recomend? Its a 4gb system and obviously i woudl like to use as much of the memory as possible |
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| 14:46.03 | E-bola | It will be running a bunch of antivirus and spamassassin threads |
| 14:46.06 | Nyle | E-bola: I recommend you send me your hardware for testing |
| 14:46.09 | E-bola | so which option would work best for me? |
| 14:46.09 | Nyle | :D |
| 14:46.16 | wols_ | E-bola: with a 32bit kernel you can at most use 3,5GB per process. no more |
| 14:46.28 | fireba11 | E-bola: i'd go with a 64-bit kernel already ... |
| 14:46.29 | E-bola | Nyle : :) I'd have to live with a virtualised debian running on a windows virtual server, so ive deserved this! |
| 14:46.30 | E-bola | :) |
| 14:46.38 | E-bola | wols: my processes are small |
| 14:46.46 | E-bola | only 3-400mb per process max |
| 14:46.54 | E-bola | but i'd like to be able to run as many processes as possible |
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| 14:46.58 | Amiralul | !pidgin |
| 14:47.18 | Amiralul | !pidgin |
| 14:47.19 | Kevin`_ | E-bola try it and see if it lets you see more ram, then test performance compared to before. |
| 14:47.27 | E-bola | ya i guess ile have to |
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| 14:47.32 | E-bola | just wanted to see if anybody had any advice |
| 14:47.41 | E-bola | so far ppl runnign mailscanner (which is what i do) |
| 14:47.48 | Kevin`_ | that's my advice :), my system only has 2gb so I haven't run into this |
| 14:47.49 | E-bola | reported that performance was more or less the same on 64bit |
| 14:47.59 | E-bola | but that obviously each process will use alot more memory |
| 14:48.04 | E-bola | because all the arrays etc are bigger |
| 14:48.05 | cast | damn slow apt-file :< |
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| 14:50.43 | E-bola | rebooting with a bigmem kernel... |
| 14:51.26 | fireba11 | Kevin`_ : i got a 8 GB system running already :-) |
| 14:51.38 | Kevin`_ | fireba11 bastard |
| 14:51.58 | Nyle | who needs 8gb of ram ? unless you're in a server env. |
| 14:52.00 | Kevin`_ | what are you using that much memory for anyway |
| 14:52.09 | Nyle | or you do autocad or graphic degisn |
| 14:52.22 | Nyle | mainly professional work. I would like 8gb on my home comptuer |
| 14:52.31 | Nyle | I don't really know why, but I guess just to have it |
| 14:52.43 | fireba11 | Kevin`_ : dual core athon 64 with 5x 400 GB HD :-D VMWare Server .. 4 to 5 VMs running parallel, each with sqlserver and a jboss .. our development environnemts .. at least some of it |
| 14:52.47 | Kevin`_ | I would run a few vms with it |
| 14:52.49 | Kevin`_ | oh, speak of.. |
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| 14:53.13 | Kevin`_ | that's the only thing I can think of that truely deserves that much memory |
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| 14:54.01 | Kevin`_ | oddly I have 5 times that much storage space in my desktop system |
| 14:54.20 | Amiralul | hmm, gaim keep crashing... on debian stable |
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| 14:54.27 | Kevin`_ | (hard drive, not ram) |
| 14:54.33 | fireba11 | Kevin`_: got 3 more boxes with 4 GB .. we got about 20 virtual machines running .. since we develop for windows those need a lot of ram, with sql-server most of those and a jboss tht actually uses more than 1 GB sometimes |
| 14:54.39 | Kevin`_ | oh, 5x400 |
| 14:54.39 | Kevin`_ | lol |
| 14:54.40 | Kevin`_ | same |
| 14:54.47 | E-bola | alright, bigmem kernel gives me 4052mb of ram |
| 14:54.53 | Amiralul | removed it (purged), installed again, same thing... |
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| 14:55.04 | Kevin`_ | I thought you meant 5x processors with 400gb hard drive |
| 14:55.19 | fireba11 | Kevin`_: nah ..software raid 5 :-) |
| 14:56.04 | kwadronaut | well 8GB or ram is worthwhile if you have little amount of bandwith and several users at your lan.. |
| 14:56.26 | Kevin`_ | eh? |
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| 14:56.33 | fireba11 | 2nd that :-D |
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| 14:56.44 | fireba11 | kwadronaut: what are you talking about ß |
| 14:56.57 | kwadronaut | squid |
| 14:56.58 | lindenle | what is the best way to cause all files created in a sub directory to have the same permissions as the directory? |
| 14:57.06 | fireba11 | kwadronaut: way overkill |
| 14:57.13 | kwadronaut | fireba11: not in my case |
| 14:57.16 | fireba11 | lindenle: chmod -R ? |
| 14:57.18 | \amethyst | lindenle: if your filesystem supports it, ACLs |
| 14:57.34 | fireba11 | kwadronaut: got about 1k users ? |
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| 14:57.46 | kwadronaut | fireba11: imagine 20-30 users and only 2 small adsl-lines? |
| 14:57.48 | fireba11 | kwadronaut: our firewall got 256 MB ram and does fine with squid |
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| 14:58.23 | kwadronaut | fireba11: i'm not saying it could work with 128MB ram, all i'm saying is that it can improve performance a lot |
| 14:58.24 | Kevin`_ | obviously depends what you are having squid do |
| 14:58.25 | fireba11 | kwadronaut: about 25 users, 4 MBit line .. and the firewall is still rather bored |
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| 14:58.40 | fireba11 | kwadronaut : the box is not using HD at all except for logging |
| 14:58.56 | fireba11 | transparent proxy here ... |
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| 14:59.09 | cast | doh |
| 14:59.12 | Kevin`_ | psufan why? |
| 14:59.13 | kwadronaut | fireba11: if you want to agressively cache and most people use youtube and what not all, it makes sense |
| 14:59.25 | lindenle | I was morte thinking on the lines of umask |
| 14:59.26 | cast | hg convert just died with a 'MemoryError' |
| 14:59.36 | \amethyst | lindenle: setfacl -m d:u::rwx,d:g::rwx,d:o::- directory |
| 14:59.40 | harpal | I want to install c++, g++ which packet I install |
| 14:59.51 | stew | harpal: build-essential |
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| 15:01.00 | lindenle | \amethyst: only available with acl i guess |
| 15:01.03 | \amethyst | lindenle: then anything created in the directory will have permissions of 770 & the permissions requested by open or creat |
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| 15:01.54 | \amethyst | lindenle: you can use setgid directories to change the default group, and to make all created subdirectories also sgid... but it doesn't affect the permissions |
| 15:02.13 | lindenle | \amethyst: yeah i figured that |
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| 15:03.09 | \amethyst | lindenle: you mean 002, but yes |
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| 15:03.18 | \amethyst | of course, the user can change it back |
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| 15:05.37 | jm|laptop | atm I have "Web browser" and "Terminal editor" there; I would like to add "Run .." |
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| 15:20.58 | ix | Is there any way to make the modules of a device initialised by discover loaded later in the boot process? I am having a trouble with one of my S-ATA-controllers (the one with the system drive on it) beeing modprobed after the other one, so that their device IDs in /dev/ are swapped, and I'm unable to boot. |
| 15:21.34 | ix | Which controller is initialised first seems to be arbitary at the moment. |
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| 15:22.19 | liable | ix: you should be able to fix that with a udev rule |
| 15:22.35 | ix | statically assign it, you mean? |
| 15:22.38 | simonrvn | ix: /etc/modules or udev like liable suggested |
| 15:22.39 | ix | hmm, perhaps that is the best solution. |
| 15:22.42 | liable | yeah |
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| 15:23.35 | ix | but seeing as both of those solutions are defined in files on the root itself, and this problem occurs before boot, will they have any effect? |
| 15:23.42 | ix | do I have to mess around in the initrd? |
| 15:24.01 | ix | err, s/before boot/before the root drive is mounted/ |
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| 15:25.06 | liable | hrm, probably. i am terribly uninformed when it comes to what the hell happens with initrd's |
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| 15:25.24 | simonrvn | ix: both are used before anything is mounted |
| 15:25.32 | shinkamui | is there a way to keep other users from polling processes that they dont own? |
| 15:25.42 | chris___ | hi |
| 15:25.54 | simonrvn | initrd the earliest, udev second, /etc/modules latest |
| 15:26.53 | ix | simonrvn: how can a rule defined in a file on the root be read before the root drive is mounted, unless the changes are reflected elsewhere? |
| 15:27.25 | ix | from what I understand I really have to mess around in the initrd. |
| 15:27.34 | ix | please correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 15:28.52 | simonrvn | because it scans the / |
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| 15:31.15 | GuHHH | is it possible to make a link to a file from another? like: /var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock to /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ??? |
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| 15:31.36 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:31.40 | Naitse | how can i REALLY edit the panel menu bar.... i need to erase the debian submenu an others sub menues from the place menu |
| 15:32.25 | butta | w |
| 15:32.38 | simonrvn | GuHHH: man ln |
| 15:32.48 | Naitse | on gnome |
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| 15:33.11 | Naitse | and not with "edit menu" because it dont let me quit the submenues |
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| 15:33.37 | GuHHH | simonrvn: ln doesnt work, if i create the file before, it says that it already exists, if i dont, it tries to create the same filename |
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| 15:34.12 | simonrvn | stick -s or -f in there |
| 15:34.17 | simonrvn | man ln |
| 15:34.30 | Naitse | ln -s <source> name |
| 15:34.32 | \amethyst | Naitse: alacarte can do it |
| 15:34.51 | Naitse | amethyst, wath is alacarte? |
| 15:34.54 | simonrvn | er, meant -i not -s |
| 15:35.24 | \amethyst | Naitse: It's a menu editor for freedesktop.org |
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| 15:36.00 | Naitse | amethyst, cool! tks a lot! i will try it |
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| 15:36.42 | BlueToothz | hey.all.... where is my"iceweasel browser" stored? adobe flash player plugin is asking me for it |
| 15:37.16 | \amethyst | BlueToothz: it might be looking for /usr/lib/iceweasel/ |
| 15:37.35 | BlueToothz | i keep putting in /usr/lib/mozilla |
| 15:38.03 | Naitse | am... alacarte is not on freedesktop :S |
| 15:38.06 | BlueToothz | i put that in \amethyst says it is a invalid directory |
| 15:38.13 | BlueToothz | but when i put /usr/lib/mozilla in |
| 15:38.19 | BlueToothz | keeps repeating the same step with no error |
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| 15:38.46 | Skept | Which iso should I download to install 64 bit linux? |
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| 15:38.59 | \amethyst | Naitse: it's in the package alacarte |
| 15:39.06 | BlueToothz | OK \amethyst lol |
| 15:39.11 | BlueToothz | i typed /isr instead of /usr |
| 15:39.11 | kwadronaut | Skept: which architecture do you have? what do you want to install? |
| 15:39.12 | BlueToothz | it worked |
| 15:39.13 | BlueToothz | thanks |
| 15:39.15 | BlueToothz | lol :) |
| 15:39.33 | ix | simonrvn: but the "/" isn't mounted yet. that's the problem. |
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| 15:39.50 | draygon | can someone help me |
| 15:39.52 | simonrvn | it doesn't matter |
| 15:39.55 | draygon | I am trying to install debian |
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| 15:40.08 | draygon | but it keeps complaining about hardware and not being able to read the CDROM etc |
| 15:40.14 | simonrvn | this is why the system needs to know where the rootfs is |
| 15:40.19 | draygon | Just at the start of the installation |
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| 15:42.12 | wam | Hi, I need to syslog all logs in utc (except of my local gmt+2). I use syslog-ng. How could I do this? |
| 15:42.40 | Skept | I have intel |
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| 15:42.53 | stew | Skept: amd64 |
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| 15:43.08 | Skept | kwadronaut: Hi, I have a intel machine. Core2 duo |
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| 15:43.15 | Skept | Sorry, got distracted for minute |
| 15:43.16 | stew | Skept: download the amd64 version |
| 15:43.18 | ix | simonrvn: excuse me if my logic is flawed - how does it scan the root system before it's mounted? if that's the case, then I have no problem, I think. |
| 15:43.42 | Skept | That was what I was thinking. Will amd64 work. Ok, I will try that |
| 15:43.57 | stew | Skept: yes, amd64 will work |
| 15:44.07 | wols_ | unless one has an itanic |
| 15:44.13 | simonrvn | .:11:28:52:. <simonrvn> because it scans the / |
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| 15:44.30 | simonrvn | i don't know the fine details, but it does |
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| 15:45.57 | simonrvn | wam: izconfig |
| 15:46.02 | simonrvn | wam: tzconfig |
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| 15:46.27 | gribouille | hi |
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| 15:46.34 | grendal_prime | is there a way to make a mounted dire from a file server A look as though it is a phisical block device on server B? |
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| 15:46.52 | gribouille | is it possible to create automatically .deb packages from perl modules ? |
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| 15:47.26 | simonrvn | gribouille: dh-make-perl |
| 15:47.28 | Skept | Thanks. I have one more question. I am trying to configure multimedia buttons on my laptop. I did add them to .Xmodmap and xmodmap -pk even displays the bindings. But nothing is happening when I click them. How do I troubleshoot? |
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| 15:48.25 | simonrvn | gribouille: erm, dunno but maybe NBD does that (network block device) |
| 15:48.25 | Skept | dh-make-perl and then debuild, I think |
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| 15:48.37 | simonrvn | no need for debuild |
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| 15:48.46 | simonrvn | not with dh-make-perl |
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| 15:48.58 | \amethyst | wam: still here? |
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| 15:49.04 | simonrvn | debuild, once you've already set the thing up |
| 15:49.21 | Skept | Oh |
| 15:49.41 | simonrvn | dh-make-perl builds the .deb too, if you tell it to |
| 15:49.51 | Skept | Cool. |
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| 15:51.08 | gribouille | simonrvn, ok, thanks |
| 15:51.49 | xerophyt1 | where can i get autobook 1.5 pdf file .. i download the source file which has the texi files tried to texi2pdf that didn't seems to work .. but i am able to get the 1.4 book from tbe deb .. does anybody know how can i come with autobook 1.5 pdf ? |
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| 15:54.25 | wam | \amethyst: yep |
| 15:54.48 | wam | \amethyst: I could use send_time_zone option. But I'd have to modify it on any season again :/ |
| 15:54.59 | \amethyst | wam: oh? |
| 15:55.09 | \amethyst | wam: why not just send_time_zone(+00:00) ? |
| 15:55.30 | \amethyst | wam: don't set a recv_time_zone, or will will have to change it twice a year |
| 15:55.44 | \amethyst | but the default recv_time_zone is the server's local timezone |
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| 15:55.59 | wam | \amethyst: the server runs on utc. |
| 15:56.09 | wam | \amethyst: but the logs are local time... |
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| 15:56.20 | \amethyst | wam: the logs are on a different server? |
| 15:57.05 | wam | \amethyst: yes |
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| 15:58.02 | \amethyst | wam: so you can set time_zone(+00:00) in the source |
| 15:58.04 | wam | \amethyst: when I set send_time_zone +02:00 on the recieving server, all looks good. But this is stupid ;) |
| 15:58.16 | wam | \amethyst: where exactly? |
| 15:58.28 | biz | is there a way to attach to a running X screen on a remote machine... vnc like? |
| 15:58.29 | wam | \amethyst: ah |
| 15:58.31 | wam | \amethyst: got it |
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| 15:59.13 | \amethyst | wam: you might need to also set (in options) send_time_zone to 00:00---otherwise it will convert the server's UTC into the logger's local timezone |
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| 16:02.10 | wam | \amethyst: that all doesn't work. I have to specify +02:00 in send_time_zone to make it work. It would be ok to simply log with iso format. I'll do this instead. |
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| 16:03.47 | mosp | in gnome, which file does Desktop -> Settings -> Sessions write to? |
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| 16:03.57 | wam | \amethyst: that sucker logs with localtime +00:00... |
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| 16:11.59 | draygon | hello, i have a fresh server online |
| 16:12.06 | draygon | I am doing apt-get install sshd |
| 16:12.19 | draygon | and it is saying invalid argument, how do i install SSHd on the server? |
| 16:12.34 | stew | draygon: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 16:13.06 | Nyle | yo where is the bot |
| 16:13.16 | stew | california |
| 16:13.20 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:13.21 | stew | chillin |
| 16:13.33 | draygon | will it always ask for the cd? |
| 16:13.35 | Nyle | that is a nice place to chill |
| 16:13.42 | draygon | how can I change it so it installs from the internet |
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| 16:13.45 | stew | draygon: until you take out the cdrom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:13.54 | Nyle | comment out the cdrom lines in sources.list |
| 16:13.56 | stew | draygon: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 16:14.50 | draygon | okay now, one more question |
| 16:14.59 | draygon | how do I add a STATIC ip (right now its on DHCP) |
| 16:15.16 | draygon | and have it so even when I reboot the dynamic IP is still there |
| 16:15.19 | stew | oh, i guess i shoudln't be telling him to /msg dpkg |
| 16:15.22 | draygon | dynamic, sorry |
| 16:15.27 | stew | draygon: "man interfaces" |
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| 16:15.55 | draygon | I got no response from dpkg |
| 16:16.02 | draygon | not online |
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| 16:16.27 | simonrvn | yeh, bot's gone |
| 16:17.11 | Nyle | well I asked where it was |
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| 16:17.12 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 16:17.15 | draygon | any link? |
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| 16:17.23 | stew | draygon: use aptitude instead of dpkg |
| 16:17.36 | enouf | (the bot) |
| 16:17.43 | draygon | gotcha |
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| 16:17.43 | stew | draygon: /msg aptitude sources.list ; /msg aptitude man interfaces |
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| 16:18.17 | Nyle | http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php <-- you can search here as well |
| 16:18.27 | Nyle | this is my favorite place to look at factoids |
| 16:18.41 | Nyle | unlike irc, you get a long list and can browse and see stuff easier |
| 16:18.44 | Nyle | easily* |
| 16:18.56 | stew | someday i'll imporve that |
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| 16:19.01 | Nyle | again, courtesy of stew |
| 16:19.08 | stew | i was trying to solicit abrotman to do it, but he is LAZY! :P |
| 16:19.10 | Nyle | stew: its great even right now |
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| 16:20.21 | draygon | easy |
| 16:20.29 | draygon | just had to uncomment the line with CD in it |
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| 16:21.38 | draygon | auto lo |
| 16:21.38 | draygon | iface lo inet loopback |
| 16:21.43 | draygon | do I need this? |
| 16:21.50 | vvd | how do you say "GNOME"? |
| 16:21.54 | simonrvn | stew: mind if i had a copy of that script? |
| 16:21.56 | vvd | like gee-nome? |
| 16:22.07 | vvd | like nome? |
| 16:22.11 | simonrvn | nome |
| 16:22.11 | draygon | I think the G is silent |
| 16:22.17 | vvd | k |
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| 16:22.25 | vvd | weird thou |
| 16:22.36 | simonrvn | though |
| 16:22.42 | vvd | tho :)= |
| 16:22.44 | simonrvn | @dict thou |
| 16:22.48 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'thou' (1 of 5): \Thou\, v. t. To address as thou, esp. to do so in order to treat with insolent familiarity or contempt. [1913 Webster] If thou thouest him some thrice, it shall not be amiss. --Shak. [1913 Webster]. |
| 16:23.05 | vvd | ah |
| 16:23.15 | vvd | thanks |
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| 16:23.20 | simonrvn | :) |
| 16:23.57 | simonrvn | crap, i really gotta fix that |
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| 16:25.17 | stew | simonrvn: the php for dpkg.vireo.org? |
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| 16:25.26 | simonrvn | stew: yeh |
| 16:26.23 | draygon | server:~# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:26.23 | draygon | Reconfiguring network interfaces... |
| 16:26.29 | draygon | Why is it just sitting there? |
| 16:26.45 | simonrvn | do you have a large interfaces file? |
| 16:27.10 | stew | simonrvn: http://vireo.org/tmp/dpkg.vireo.org.tar.gz |
| 16:27.15 | simonrvn | or, more likely, have some thing in if.up.d |
| 16:27.21 | simonrvn | stew: thank you |
| 16:27.21 | stew | simonrvn: make it better and send me a patch :) |
| 16:27.21 | enouf | ps aux | grep dhcp |
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| 16:27.44 | simonrvn | stew: i'm no coder, but i'll see what i can do |
| 16:28.34 | draygon | woops |
| 16:28.37 | draygon | IP changed, heh |
| 16:28.39 | draygon | kicked me out |
| 16:28.47 | enouf | simonrvn: make it so, when there are 45 results from a listval{keys}, one can see them all - perhaps using a 'more' command like supybot uses |
| 16:28.50 | simonrvn | oh you bad boy, not using <?php |
| 16:30.01 | JordiGH | Feel free to redirect me to another channel if you can think of one, but I'm looking for a recommendation for a C or C++ library for mathematical 2d plotting. libplot from plotutils seems a little too primitive and plplot looks too complex to get it up and running. |
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| 16:36.27 | jasonlife | Anyone has a problem with USB audio device? |
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| 16:39.18 | dto | hi folks. |
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| 16:39.59 | cast | jasonlife: i imagine you |
| 16:41.35 | JordiGH | dto: sup |
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| 16:42.48 | JordiGH | Hm, where's the plotutils documentation? |
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| 16:43.05 | moshii | mm useful, a router at my host has gone down and the mail server that collects support tickets seems to be on that router |
| 16:43.21 | acu07 | can anyone tell me how to convert a .flv (video from youtube) to .mp3 file ? |
| 16:43.31 | cast | acu07: mencoder/lame |
| 16:43.38 | moshii | acu07: flv being video? |
| 16:43.48 | cast | or mplayer/lame probably too |
| 16:43.55 | moshii | acu07: ffmpeg show be able to help none-the-less |
| 16:43.59 | kwadronaut | another person caught into the manpages of mencoder! |
| 16:44.22 | moshii | there again isn't the audio in an flv mp3 to start with |
| 16:44.39 | moshii | in which you'd just want to demux it out of the flv.. |
| 16:45.04 | JordiGH | moshii: Wouldn't you prefer Ogg Vorbis? It's a superior codec to mp3 on many grounds. Almost always compresses better, for one. |
| 16:45.12 | jasonlife | cast: ? |
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| 16:45.23 | cast | yay for oggenc |
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| 16:45.39 | moshii | JordiGH: I'd prefer flac, but theres not point re-encoding lossy streams |
| 16:45.46 | acu07 | moshi and cast - OK, let me try them - yes .flv is the video from youtube |
| 16:45.48 | JordiGH | flv isn't lossy. |
| 16:45.49 | JordiGH | Is it? |
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| 16:46.08 | JordiGH | moshii: I mean, encode directly from .flv to .ogg |
| 16:46.14 | moshii | I would think so, otherwise it would stream on the interweb like a bag of crap |
| 16:46.37 | JordiGH | moshii: flac doesn't do video. Ogg does. :-) |
| 16:46.44 | moshii | JordiGH: I have a felling flv is some mpeg4 video codec with something like mp3 for audio |
| 16:47.23 | moshii | JordiGH: yes, but the original question asking fellow ask how to convert to mp3, so I guess he only wants the audio part |
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| 16:47.59 | moshii | which is probably better demuxed from the flv, rather that decoded and re-encoded to a very poor quality |
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| 16:48.06 | moshii | *than |
| 16:48.42 | JordiGH | It's usually mp3, says Wiki, but it can be other things. |
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| 16:49.45 | simonrvn | yeh, like mov, or avi, or wmv, or... |
| 16:50.08 | JordiGH | Can't ogg be streamed? :-/ |
| 16:50.18 | simonrvn | yeh ogg theora |
| 16:50.39 | simonrvn | ogg vorbis too ;) |
| 16:50.42 | JordiGH | I think the FSF must be the only website on Earth who streams Ogg. |
| 16:50.49 | acu07 | I need to convert .flv to mp3 because I have mp3 player and want to listen to those songs - |
| 16:50.52 | moshii | i guess having flv support in flash makes it popular.. |
| 16:50.55 | simonrvn | i would if i had the b/w |
| 16:51.08 | Rug | JordiGH: Nope, CBC.ca streams Quirks & Quarks |
| 16:51.42 | JordiGH | Rug: Ah, another reason to love .ca, hehehe. Can always count on them for their dirty commie ways. |
| 16:51.57 | JordiGH | (Legal music sharing)++ |
| 16:52.05 | moshii | acu07: you just want to extract the audio from it, I reckon google -> "ffmpeg flv extract audio" might turn something up |
| 16:52.12 | Rug | JordiGH: It's a science show |
| 16:52.18 | simonrvn | bbc did once, or does, but not for everything |
| 16:52.41 | Rug | JordiGH: it's available as a podcast too. Both .mp2 and .ogg |
| 16:52.47 | JordiGH | The BBC is nasty about letting people outside of .uk download their media. This is why I want an ssh account in .uk |
| 16:52.57 | acu07 | I have also the DVD with what I want - I do not know how to extract audio from that - I did that before and I forgot - now I have to spend some more neurons on that |
| 16:52.59 | Rug | JordiGH: just setup a proxy server. |
| 16:53.00 | moshii | simonrvn: bbc streams all the radio, I have a uk tv license but can't listen to the hi-quality stream abroad, sucks |
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| 16:53.07 | dto | hello folks. i'm on debian etch and my xorg server has suddenly stopped working. I get a warning about "I810: No matching Device section for instance BusId: PCI:0:2:1 found |
| 16:53.07 | JordiGH | Rug: Fwiw, it was in .ca where I first installed Debian. :-) |
| 16:53.36 | dto | the screen flickers to white for a split second as if X is going to start, but then it dies. |
| 16:53.47 | Rug | yupp, we got some good debian mirrors here, I use york.edu (University of Toronto) |
| 16:53.54 | dto | i tried dpkg-reconfigure but it didn't help |
| 16:54.03 | moshii | acu07: use dvdbackup to extract/decrypt the vobs, then use ffmpeg or something to extract the ac3 stream you want |
| 16:54.06 | simonrvn | oh york's is working again? |
| 16:54.34 | Rug | simonrvn: hehe that's the beauty of debian, I last installed/setup my server 1.5 years ago |
| 16:54.40 | eth01 | how can i remove everything related to apache on my machine? |
| 16:54.44 | simonrvn | 2002 |
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| 16:55.01 | Rug | simonrvn: really? damn I should check my uptime then =) |
| 16:55.13 | simonrvn | actually, jan. 2003. i reinstalled it once |
| 16:55.21 | moshii | eth01: load aptitude remove aache-common and flick through broken packages with b |
| 16:55.31 | dto | this is a cheap Compaq Presario laptop that has been working just fine under debian until now |
| 16:55.40 | simonrvn | gets crufty after a while ;) |
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| 16:55.51 | Rug | simonrvn: I have never noticed. |
| 16:56.06 | Rug | simonrvn: solid as a fracking rock for me |
| 16:56.19 | moshii | Rug: I had my last install for 4 years |
| 16:56.21 | Rug | WooHoo BSG is comming back soon |
| 16:56.28 | simonrvn | i'd been using it as combo/server workstation for a while. then i managed to get myself a proper wks |
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| 16:56.57 | Rug | Debian for my servers & firewalls, Ubuntu for my workstations |
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| 16:57.02 | cblack0 | hey all, new to debian network/ethernet setup and have a brief question |
| 16:57.15 | eth01 | sorry, b? |
| 16:57.15 | moshii | actually my last debian install outlasted the machines it was used on |
| 16:57.26 | eth01 | moshii: i don't understand, please retype ;) |
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| 16:57.46 | simonrvn | the potato install i had given up on it, because of errors with adduser, was very newbie, so reinstalled it with woody (was testing at the time) |
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| 16:58.00 | cblack0 | I have a box w/ two eth nics, one is set via dhcp and should be the default, the other is static and should only be used for iscsi. My problem is that for some reason the system is using the iscsi nic as a default gw. I can fix this with a manual route cmd but then I'd have to do that every boot. How do I set the absolute default nic or gw in debian networking? |
| 16:58.09 | moshii | eth01: most apache related stuff depends on apache-common, so removing that has the side effect of pulling apache with it |
| 16:58.21 | abrotman | stew: i did .. a little bit |
| 16:58.36 | Rug | moshii: hehe yeah that happened to me too, the hd had died but everything was still running out of ram. |
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| 16:59.11 | abrotman | stew: some day i'll give it back to you :) |
| 16:59.12 | simonrvn | moshii: yeh, same here. one of the HDDs has been through 3 different machines |
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| 16:59.37 | simonrvn | debian++ |
| 16:59.38 | moshii | Rug: I've noticed recently that 512MB of ram ain't enough, new machine time |
| 17:00.03 | moshii | hardrive goes in new machine :) |
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| 17:00.05 | cyberbaze | moshii, 512 not enough ? for a home com ? |
| 17:00.20 | abrotman | cblack0: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 17:00.25 | cblack0 | k, hold |
| 17:00.26 | moshii | cyberbaze: I'm currently in 700MB of swap |
| 17:00.30 | cblack0 | !paste |
| 17:00.41 | cblack0 | does this channel have a prefered paste place? |
| 17:00.45 | moshii | cyberbaze: a big chunk of ram is stolen for the graphics chipset I have to mention |
| 17:00.51 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:00.53 | simonrvn | aptitude: paste |
| 17:00.54 | aptitude | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | bah .. bot gone |
| 17:01.08 | abrotman | ah .. so is don |
| 17:01.33 | simonrvn | yeh, they seem to be having network issues again :/ |
| 17:01.37 | abrotman | maybe we need a backup debhelper |
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| 17:01.51 | cblack0 | http://pastebin.ca/750584 |
| 17:01.58 | simonrvn | would probably be a good idea |
| 17:02.01 | cyberbaze | moshii, 256 with 512 swap here , and everything goes smoothly , unless i go with beryl/emerald :D |
| 17:02.05 | simonrvn | s,probably,, |
| 17:02.05 | cblack0 | channels.debian was taking too long |
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| 17:02.23 | cblack0 | abrotman, interfaces file pasted at http://pastebin.ca/750584 |
| 17:02.26 | abrotman | are the dhcp and static on the same network ? |
| 17:02.30 | cblack0 | nope |
| 17:02.35 | cblack0 | separate physical networks |
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| 17:02.43 | sam_bris | hi is there an active #sidux channel please? |
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| 17:03.08 | cblack0 | 10.6.60.x can't even reach inet or anything |
| 17:03.11 | moshii | cyberbaze: I have to work with lots of bad PDF mockups and stuff, you soon notice how shit your computer is |
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| 17:03.16 | bhundven | how do you add or remove write protect on a CF card. I know you can do this with ide drives, but I forgot how. |
| 17:03.46 | abrotman | cblack0: if i had to guess .. the static is coming up after the dhcp .. and that is setting the default route .. can you switch them? |
| 17:03.53 | bhundven | I thought you did it with hdparm, but thta doesn't seem to be it. |
| 17:04.03 | cblack0 | abrotman, switch them how exactly? |
| 17:04.05 | abrotman | cblack0: that's just a guess though |
| 17:04.08 | cyberbaze | CPU Info Intel Celeron 256 KB cache flags( sse sse2 pni ) clocked at [ 2459.424 MHz ] and Memory 138.6/249.9MB :D |
| 17:04.21 | abrotman | cblack0: make eth0 the static .. eth1 the dhcp |
| 17:04.26 | cblack0 | ah, hrm... |
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| 17:04.36 | xerophyt1 | does anybody know how can i get autobook 1.5 in pdf format |
| 17:04.44 | sam_bris | !sidux |
| 17:04.45 | cblack0 | I'd rather keep eth0 the primary as that is how it is on all our other machines... I have another thought tho... |
| 17:05.06 | simonrvn | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) cpu MHz : 501.160 cache size : 256 KB |
| 17:05.13 | cblack0 | if I leave that gw commented out (since it is not needed) then eth1 (the static) will have no gw and therefore it will have to use the dhcp-provided eth0 gw |
| 17:05.13 | abrotman | cblack0: you can use the post-up to set the route after the static comes up .. i guess .. but that's kind of dirty |
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| 17:06.48 | creichen | Hi! My ``sarge'' installation seems to ignore the locale settings. locale-gen merrily generates all the locales I picked, but if I do e.g. ``LANG="de_DE" cat /foo'' I still get an English error message. The same works fine on my ``lenny'' workstation. Any ideas? |
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| 17:07.15 | sebas892 | hi, |
| 17:07.36 | moshii | simonrvn: if you don't have core(s), you just ain't cool |
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| 17:08.00 | simonrvn | so i'm square *yawn* |
| 17:08.04 | creichen | BTW, which package contains the ``arch'' tool (that tells you which architecture you're on, I'm not referring to GNU arch/tla here) in lenny? |
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| 17:08.27 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 17:08.45 | Ace2016 | how do i asign keys shown in xev to keys i can use on the keyboard |
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| 17:08.59 | Ace2016 | keys that apps will actually detect and be able to asign shortcuts to |
| 17:09.03 | dto | hey all... after |
| 17:09.18 | creichen | Ace2016: I use xmodmap for that. |
| 17:10.22 | creichen | ``xmodmap -pke'' gives you the current settings. You can dump that into a file (I use ``.xmodmaprc'') and then have xmodmap load it on login (``xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc''). The file is fairly self-explanatory. |
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| 17:10.49 | Ace2016 | i've used xmodmap once before but is it was with keys that i knew worked, is it possible to make a key that xev detects into a brand new key something like f45 or something no other app would ever look for? |
| 17:11.14 | bhundven | how do you add or remove write protect on a CF card. I know you can do this with ide drives, but I forgot how. for instance, when I put a cf card in it says: http://rafb.net/p/w0p2N475.html "sd 12:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off" How could I turn this write protect on or off? |
| 17:11.28 | creichen | Ace2016: That's possible if the key you want is something X11 supports. There's an X11 header file that contains all the valid names. |
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| 17:11.45 | hark | creichen: util-linux |
| 17:12.27 | creichen | Ace2016: /usr/include/x11/keysymdef.h |
| 17:12.39 | creichen | Ace2016: IIRC you can use all the definitions from there. |
| 17:13.21 | creichen | hark: Thanks, but that's already installed and at the newest version. |
| 17:13.33 | hark | creichen: yeah, removed as it's deprecated. use "uname -m" instead |
| 17:14.11 | creichen | hark: Excellent, thank you! |
| 17:14.13 | bhundven | or you could use hotkeys |
| 17:15.38 | bhundven | I had to use hotkeys on my thinkpad for the Fn keys and some other multimedia buttons. |
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| 17:16.28 | cblack0 | removing the gateway from the static if's fixed it |
| 17:16.30 | cblack0 | thanks! |
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| 17:17.36 | Ace2016 | creichen: i picked some from Vietnamese, to use as shortcut keys |
| 17:17.54 | cblack0 | nice rhyme |
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| 17:18.22 | bhundven | heh |
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| 17:19.11 | creichen | Ace2016: Fair enough. If your applications support these keys, you should then be able to bind them. I got fvwm2 to bind a couple of magic Thinkpad keys to xmms invocations, which is rather convenient. |
| 17:19.35 | creichen | Is anyone here familiar with locales? |
| 17:19.46 | creichen | In particular, debugging why LANG settings are ignored...? |
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| 17:20.20 | Ace2016 | yea i'm trying to bind pavillion keys to volume and media player controls |
| 17:20.32 | Lethias | I'm trying to install Unreal Tournament GOTY, i've been using the Loki installer but it keeps asking for a second disc. I've always only had one disc. Is there anyway i can fool it to thinking it has the 2nd cd or something? |
| 17:20.46 | Tarkus | anyone know of something like a diagram that illustrates the structure of linux, and the desktop environment, window manager, etc.. and basically how everything is strung together? (i want to get a better basic understanding of this) |
| 17:20.53 | Ace2016 | Lethias: where did you get the loki installer? |
| 17:20.59 | Ace2016 | maybe you have the worng one |
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| 17:21.11 | bhundven | Use the Source Tarkus |
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| 17:21.21 | militant | lolhi friends. hmmm. ubuntu serves me well in the first 14 hours. |
| 17:21.22 | militant | nice. |
| 17:21.43 | die7 | hi all |
| 17:21.47 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 17:22.04 | Lethias | Ace2016: I have the right one its for GOTY which i have. |
| 17:22.16 | Ace2016 | then do did you loose the second disk? |
| 17:22.21 | die7 | i have some probs with CUPS |
| 17:22.32 | Lethias | Friend gave me the game said he lost the bonus disc. |
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| 17:22.44 | die7 | i need litle help |
| 17:23.11 | Ace2016 | oh well thats probably why it can't install, its missing like half the contents of the game |
| 17:23.22 | wols_ | die7: unless you describe your problem no one can help you |
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| 17:23.34 | Lethias | I've installed it on windows jsut fine. |
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| 17:23.53 | die7 | when i try o add printer i become popup with username and passwd |
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| 17:24.19 | wols_ | !de |
| 17:24.25 | Ace2016 | tried using other installers, ones which do not look for game of the year? |
| 17:24.32 | die7 | but root user or normalaccount and passwd dno accept |
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| 17:24.49 | Lethias | na, i didn't figuer it would work cause it was goty. |
| 17:24.52 | wols_ | die7: if you have problems talking english, you can go to #diablo2.de |
| 17:25.18 | die7 | wols_: u dont like my bad englisch |
| 17:25.52 | wols_ | I don't care. but I see you have obvious troubles in describing your problem in a meaningful way |
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| 17:26.03 | wols_ | and I guess it's due to the language difficulties |
| 17:26.17 | wols_ | damn. it's #debian.de |
| 17:26.20 | die7 | wols_: i have CUPS probs englisch is no matter |
| 17:26.52 | wols_ | well, good luck getting help |
| 17:27.08 | die7 | wols_: why u lose my time |
| 17:27.27 | tvmanukrishnan | How could I configure my GPRS modem in Debian? The mobile is from LG, model G1600 |
| 17:27.33 | wols_ | "why u lose my time" is simply gibberish. try again |
| 17:27.36 | die7 | wols_: if you can hel me teh do it, or sfup |
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| 17:27.49 | Ronin | die7: believe it or not wols_ is trying to help you |
| 17:27.51 | wols_ | die7: don't insult people please |
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| 17:28.11 | dto | i have a problem. dotfiles seem to be randomly disappearing from my home directory. it only seems to be dotfiles, not anything else. |
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| 17:28.37 | dto | i recently used rsync to back up my home dir to a USB keychain thing... maybe that screwed something up? |
| 17:28.43 | dto | .xinitrc seems to have disappeared TWICE |
| 17:29.00 | wols_ | die7: only if rsync still runs somewhere. maybe a cron entry? |
| 17:29.02 | die7 | wols_: are u people??? |
| 17:29.15 | wols_ | !u |
| 17:29.22 | wols_ | Ronin: am I? |
| 17:29.42 | Ronin | wols_: yep, by sending then to .de where they will more easily get assistance |
| 17:29.44 | die7 | wols_die7: don't insult people please |
| 17:29.50 | tvmanukrishnan | How could I configure my GPRS modem in Debian? The mobile is from LG, model G1600. Uses data cable for connection, but not even detected |
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| 17:30.12 | wols_ | die7: you REALÖY have troubles understanding english. go to #debian.de, please |
| 17:31.04 | wols_ | Ronin: so I'm not people? can't rename myself to soylent? |
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| 17:31.15 | wols_ | tho I guess that nick is already taken anyways |
| 17:31.19 | die7 | wols_: it's so hard to say that you have no advice about CUPS :) |
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| 17:32.30 | die7 | wols_: but your grammar is fine |
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| 17:32.50 | wols_ | die7: if you haven't noticed so far, NO one has since you are unable to describe the problem. something I was trying to tell you few quite some time now |
| 17:33.07 | wols_ | *you for |
| 17:33.11 | die7 | srry i dnot wonna lose my time with you |
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| 17:33.27 | wols_ | as I said before: good luck getting help |
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| 17:33.47 | tvmanukrishnan | hello, any one help me pls... to configure GPRS modem... |
| 17:34.02 | wols_ | tvmanukrishnan: what happens if you plug it in? |
| 17:34.05 | Ace2016 | Can someone help me with setting an xev key to a detected usable key? i tried xmodmap keycode 174 = Greek_ALPHA but |
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| 17:34.25 | wols_ | tvmanukrishnan: or asked another way, how is it connected to your debian? |
| 17:34.31 | Ace2016 | it didn't work it said unable to open file keycode |
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| 17:35.23 | wols_ | Ace2016: you need a FILE where you set your keycodes. see man xmodmap |
| 17:36.18 | Ace2016 | but i used to use stuff like xmodmap -e 'keycode 116 = Super_L' to get my win key to work |
| 17:36.26 | Ace2016 | oh wait think i know what i have to do |
| 17:36.32 | h3sp4wn | does there exist a non broken terminfo for gnome-terminal |
| 17:36.34 | Tramp | Ace2016: yeah. "-e". |
| 17:36.56 | tvmanukrishnan | via data cable |
| 17:36.58 | h3sp4wn | (i.e That accounts for it being broken) |
| 17:37.14 | tvmanukrishnan | and when connected, nothing happens |
| 17:37.17 | wols_ | tvmanukrishnan: so what happens if you plug it in? |
| 17:37.25 | Ace2016 | yup, see i'm adding the greek alphabet to my keyboard >> α << since i didn't know what else i could use |
| 17:37.31 | wols_ | tvmanukrishnan: there does happen something. your kernel log will have an entry |
| 17:37.32 | tvmanukrishnan | simply nothing |
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| 17:38.11 | tvmanukrishnan | i am not much familiar with that. where could I find it? |
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| 17:38.20 | wols_ | dmesg |
| 17:38.36 | tvmanukrishnan | and what all details are needed to solve? |
| 17:39.05 | wols_ | you look as what kind of device it gets recognized and go from there |
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| 17:39.55 | tvmanukrishnan | Now, i am in windows and I must restart to collect the data. so that please tell what all are needed .... |
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| 17:40.25 | wols_ | I don't know since I don't have such a device |
| 17:41.21 | tvmanukrishnan | ops what shall i do then? |
| 17:41.30 | Ace2016 | google the exact name and model of the modem and linux, that usually finds useful info |
| 17:41.37 | tvmanukrishnan | I googled but found no data regarding it |
| 17:41.48 | Ace2016 | what make and model is it? |
| 17:41.50 | wols_ | then google for GPRS and linux |
| 17:41.58 | tvmanukrishnan | LG G 1600 |
| 17:42.43 | JordiGH | Debian's grub default on a 5 second timeout... is that a Debian thing or a GNU thing? I mean, who decided on that? |
| 17:43.01 | Maliuta | the package maintainer |
| 17:43.10 | JordiGH | Maliuta: Debian, then? |
| 17:43.10 | Maliuta | you don't like it, change the config |
| 17:43.24 | JordiGH | Maliuta: I don't like it as a default. I'm gonna file a wishlist bug. |
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| 17:43.37 | Maliuta | it's not a bug |
| 17:43.38 | tvmanukrishnan | I found some thing called GPRS easy connect and supports LG let me give it a try |
| 17:43.41 | Ronin | JordiGH: or just change it yourself on your systems, its not a bug |
| 17:43.43 | wols_ | JordiGH: your menu.lst setting decided it |
| 17:43.49 | tvmanukrishnan | and thanks for the help |
| 17:43.51 | Maliuta | it's something configurable, change the god damn config |
| 17:43.57 | Ace2016 | JordiGH: well you need only 5 seconds to decide if your going to boot a different os, once you press a key it will not boot unless you pick one so you have the time to decide |
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| 17:44.49 | JordiGH | Ubuntu's 30 sec timeout seems more reasonable. I have been changing that default on every computer I have been installing. For dual-booting it's kinda Draconian, you have 5 seconds to decide you don't want Debian, otherwise, you're getting Debian. :-) |
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| 17:45.07 | dto | can anyone think of why .xinitrc would disappear or be overwritten? |
| 17:45.11 | JordiGH | I mean, it makes sense if there's no other OS installed, but if there is one, 5 seconds is very short time. |
| 17:45.22 | cyberbaze | JordiGH, true , and funny :D |
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| 17:45.40 | Ronin | cant make up your mind in 5 seconds what os you wanted? odd |
| 17:45.49 | dob1 | hi, on ps aux i see 133 3382 0.0 0.3 9640 1688 ? Ss 19:41 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m but on /etc/passwd i have Debian-exim:x:133:133::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false , why i see 133 and not Debian-exim as user it runs? |
| 17:45.51 | cyberbaze | but changing grub's default timeout is less then 5 sec :D |
| 17:46.27 | \amethyst | dob1: because the user name is longer than the field width of 8 |
| 17:46.36 | dob1 | oh ok :) |
| 17:47.00 | Ace2016 | well most people have an os they boot to most of the time so it makes sense to boot that fast instead of making the user wait or adding the extra step of pressing enter |
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| 17:47.34 | amadeux | The MBR or partition table of my secondary hard drive (not the one I boot on, where my linux system is), is hosed. I know there a billion tools out there that might help me. But they're all on boot-cds and similar. Since it is not my primary hard drive that has problems, it would be much easier if I could just install a program on my linux, that would help me recover the secondary hard disk. Do you any such programs? |
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| 17:48.34 | wols_ | amadeux: depends how it is "hosed" |
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| 17:48.59 | JordiGH | Ronin: I can. Newbs can't. |
| 17:49.00 | amadeux | wols_: well, I am not sure. But my guess is that the partition table has been deleted |
| 17:49.16 | Nyle | amadeux: how did you come to that conclusion |
| 17:49.29 | amadeux | Nyle: Call it a hunch |
| 17:49.45 | Nyle | amadeux: boot linux and do fdisk -l on the drive |
| 17:50.01 | Nyle | if it doesn't list the partitions then your table is gone, otherwise no |
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| 17:50.15 | wols_ | amadeux:"a hunch" is a very very bad reason rummaging around in a partition table |
| 17:50.17 | Nyle | whats on the 2nd disk? just data? |
| 17:50.18 | xand | amadeux: how many partitions were on it? |
| 17:50.20 | wols_ | chances are you make it worse |
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| 17:50.23 | amadeux | Nyle: It's gone |
| 17:50.24 | shriphani | doesn't debian's gtkpod have a 'save track to computer option' ? |
| 17:50.29 | amadeux | Nyle: I knew as much |
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| 17:50.44 | amadeux | xand: there was exactly one partition |
| 17:50.59 | dto | why does this create a file called --exclude=src? tar czf --exclude="src" --exclude="tmp" dto.tar.gz dto |
| 17:50.59 | xand | recreate the partition the same size and type as before... don't format it |
| 17:51.00 | wols_ | amadeux: then recreate it with fdisk and be done |
| 17:51.08 | amadeux | wols_: how? |
| 17:51.13 | wols_ | do NOT format it. |
| 17:51.15 | wols_ | with fdisk |
| 17:51.21 | Nyle | just create the partition |
| 17:51.36 | amadeux | But I don't remember the exact size |
| 17:51.40 | xand | amadeux: if you create a partition the same as it was before, without formatting, the data will be there |
| 17:51.44 | Nyle | that will only modify the partition table, not the data stored on the disk |
| 17:51.50 | amadeux | xand: nice to know |
| 17:51.52 | wols_ | you said it was only one partition. so it was the size of the disk obviously |
| 17:51.54 | amadeux | cool |
| 17:52.05 | amadeux | wols_: nope, it was smaller than the entire disk |
| 17:52.17 | amadeux | wols_: I had left some free space, about 64GB |
| 17:52.25 | wols_ | still create it over the full disk and mount it. then you see how big it is |
| 17:52.37 | wols_ | you can resize later. e.g. with gparted |
| 17:52.59 | amadeux | wols_: so creating a partition taking up the entire disk will also recreate the partition? |
| 17:53.10 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:53.11 | amadeux | even if the size of the actual partition was smaller |
| 17:53.13 | amadeux | cool |
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| 17:53.39 | hanasaki | how do you force a package to reintall and overwrite all the old conf info in /etc? |
| 17:53.44 | Tarkus | are there any benefits to using Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 17:54.19 | amadeux | wols_: just so we are totally clear, I have to choose 'n', add a new partition, right? |
| 17:54.20 | Ronin | Tarkus: odd question to ask taht |
| 17:54.33 | keith4 | how do I install a ttf? |
| 17:54.36 | Ronin | Tarkus: umm odd channel to ask that i mean |
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| 17:54.41 | wols_ | amadeux: yes |
| 17:54.49 | xand | !why debian |
| 17:54.53 | xand | bah |
| 17:54.58 | xand | where's that bot |
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| 17:55.05 | wols_ | Tarkus: have you ever asked "Is catholicism better than islam" in the vatican? |
| 17:55.07 | xand | ~why debian |
| 17:55.07 | apt | why not? |
| 17:55.17 | Ronin | well that was useless apt :) |
| 17:55.20 | shriphani | Tarkus, i have 256 mb ram here..... debian is undoubtedly the better choice |
| 17:55.35 | hanasaki | why doesnt aptitude remove --purge remove all the /etc files? |
| 17:55.38 | radius | wols_, reverse that and ask in a temple (: |
| 17:56.27 | wols_ | radius: what "temple"? what followers of Zeus care about either? |
| 17:56.29 | _maney | this is just a curiosity bump wtf question - why did python-doc get moved to contrib (2.4, for etch, apparently)? as far as I can see it doesn't depend on, recommend, or even suggest anything from non-free... |
| 17:56.57 | wols_ | _maney: under what license are the docs? |
| 17:57.21 | stew | it must be a free license or it coulndn't be in contrib |
| 17:57.27 | _maney | ah, that must be it. I did think of that, but that was before they were installed... |
| 17:57.28 | wols_ | _maney: e.g. it could be FDL |
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| 17:58.30 | stew | wols_: if it were non-free, it couldn't be in contrib |
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| 17:58.38 | hark | see the changelog |
| 17:59.15 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 17:59.24 | _maney | "uploaded to contrib" no other explanation |
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| 17:59.40 | Speckal | I'm adding a new printer via SMB (windows host) and I don't know which of the two drivers to pick. Can someone help understand the differences between "DeskJet990C" and "DeskJet990C - Cups+Gutenprint v5.0.0" |
| 17:59.47 | utopia | would programs for the mac work under linux? |
| 17:59.47 | _maney | seems to be hte same python licenses as the interpreter itself |
| 17:59.59 | \amethyst | I think it's because some of them are generated with latex2html |
| 18:00.01 | \amethyst | which is non-free |
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| 18:00.13 | stew | _maney: it probably build-depends on something not in debian |
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| 18:00.37 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:00.51 | keith4 | i have some loose TTFs, how do I install them? |
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| 18:01.45 | Ace2016 | true type fonts? |
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| 18:02.08 | _maney | ah well, that's half an hour down the rabbit hole since there's no hint (I usually only have main in sources for servers, but since the Python version isn't always the same on the workstations I guess I need contrib now). So it goes... |
| 18:02.12 | xand | Speckal: try the first |
| 18:02.24 | _maney | thanks |
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| 18:02.30 | Speckal | xand: why do you say that? |
| 18:02.44 | Ace2016 | keith4: If you they are fonts copy them to ~/.fonts or fonts:/personal if you use kde |
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| 18:03.01 | xand | Speckal: if you don't, you won't find out if it works :) you can always try the other if it doesn't |
| 18:03.05 | Ace2016 | fonts:/Personal (capital P) |
| 18:03.17 | keith4 | Ace2016: thanks |
| 18:03.23 | Speckal | pfft |
| 18:03.28 | cyberbaze | is there a .deb package for gimp2.4 ? |
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| 18:04.19 | stew | cyberbaze: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 18:04.52 | cyberbaze | etch |
| 18:05.05 | pickcoder | I have an interesting scenario.. two terminal sessions to two different Etch boxes via ssh. term type is vt100 and both terminal emulator sessions are set exactly the same. |
| 18:05.16 | keith4 | cyberbaze: then, no |
| 18:05.17 | pickcoder | the delete/backspace in vi works in one, but not the other |
| 18:05.26 | stew | cyberbaze: its in sid, but no backport has been made available for etch yet, you could try backporting it yourself: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:05.58 | Ace2016 | cyberbaze: its in debian sid now |
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| 18:06.27 | Speckal | :/ I have never gotten an HP printer to work in linux... never ever ever it's discouraging |
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| 18:06.42 | eolhyte_ | Hello |
| 18:06.46 | cyberbaze | Speckal, what printer do you have ? |
| 18:06.47 | hark | pickcoder: does it work if you run it as vim instead? |
| 18:06.48 | Ace2016 | Hello |
| 18:06.55 | pickcoder | let me see |
| 18:07.08 | Speckal | cyberbaze: deskjet 990Cse |
| 18:07.19 | pickcoder | ah.. good point |
| 18:07.22 | pickcoder | alternatives.. |
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| 18:07.25 | pickcoder | thanks hark |
| 18:07.58 | amiralul | why does Synaptic offers Sarge 3.1 as default stable, in Debian Etch? o_0 |
| 18:08.03 | eolhyte_ | I have an unmountable card to repare (its plastic is broken) |
| 18:08.10 | eolhyte_ | How can I do this ? |
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| 18:08.26 | xpato | anyone knows what "inappropiate ioctl for device" means? |
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| 18:08.33 | xand | eolhyte_: ##hardware |
| 18:08.55 | beardy | amiralul: Use aptitude. |
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| 18:09.01 | eolhyte_ | xand, I now this, but I want the dd command line |
| 18:09.11 | pickcoder | vim-tiny was installed on one machine.. not the real vim\ |
| 18:09.13 | hark | pickcoder: it actually points to the same thing.. vim.tiny (it justs sets nocompatible depending on how you invoke it afaik) |
| 18:09.16 | pickcoder | the one that was acting up |
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| 18:09.47 | wols_ | eolhyte_: "unmountable card" makes no sense |
| 18:09.48 | pickcoder | vim-basic is what works and it's not part of the vim-tiny package |
| 18:10.00 | xand | eolhyte_: you seemed to want a hardware fix. |
| 18:10.03 | wols_ | eolhyte_: try to explain again what you are actually trying to do |
| 18:10.23 | amiralul | beardy: and I cannot mount an official DVD as repo :( |
| 18:10.34 | bhundven | yea to pre-production hardware!!! |
| 18:10.44 | eolhyte_ | I want a backup of my data contained in the card, wols_ and xand |
| 18:10.51 | wols_ | eolhyte_: what "card"? |
| 18:11.00 | wols_ | what is this "card"? |
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| 18:11.44 | eolhyte_ | wols_, a microSD card |
| 18:12.02 | wols_ | eolhyte_: so plug it in. what does dmesg say what device it is? |
| 18:12.23 | xand | eolhyte_: if you can't physically mount it, don't see how you can access it |
| 18:12.36 | eolhyte_ | [ 602.469863] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 18:12.36 | eolhyte_ | [ 602.469931] sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 |
| 18:12.39 | xand | or is that a red herring |
| 18:12.51 | wols_ | eolhyte_: dd if=/dev/sdf of=outputfile |
| 18:13.03 | eolhyte_ | outputfile.iso ? |
| 18:13.12 | wols_ | doesn't matter. just a filename |
| 18:13.18 | eolhyte_ | Ok |
| 18:13.30 | eolhyte_ | dd: opening `/dev/sdf': No medium found |
| 18:13.42 | wols_ | then you are SOL |
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| 18:14.05 | eolhyte_ | wols_, what does it mean ? |
| 18:14.23 | wols_ | that your broken plastic thing is bad |
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| 18:14.49 | eolhyte_ | Ok, so it is impossible to rescue my data ? |
| 18:15.00 | pickcoder | eolhyte_: what does fdisk -l /dev/sdf say |
| 18:15.04 | gluttony | i just installed debian on my HP laptop and i dont know how to get my wireless to work. i remember doing in ubuntu, but i dont remember how |
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| 18:15.28 | elenril | hi |
| 18:15.36 | wols_ | gluttony: what wlan chip? |
| 18:15.37 | elenril | is it possible to burn a file > 4GB on a DVD |
| 18:15.43 | wols_ | eolhyte_: of course |
| 18:15.45 | eolhyte_ | pickcoder, nothing |
| 18:15.52 | Kevin`_ | elenril yes, it is |
| 18:15.54 | gluttony | wols_, i dont know, its built into the machine |
| 18:15.59 | elenril | using udf? |
| 18:16.03 | wols_ | gluttony: lspci to find out |
| 18:16.05 | wols_ | elenril: yes |
| 18:16.10 | pickcoder | eolhyte_: then a) your reader is busted b) there are no partitions on the media |
| 18:16.14 | Kevin`_ | elenril that would be a good choice, since other systems support it |
| 18:16.47 | Kevin`_ | sdf would exist even if there were no partitions |
| 18:16.58 | Kevin`_ | did it get disconnected after that? |
| 18:17.03 | elenril | that's why i'm asking, i saw tutorials that made ext3 dvd |
| 18:17.10 | gluttony | wols_, broadcom corporation dell wireless 1390 wlan mini-pc I card |
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| 18:17.14 | eolhyte_ | So thank you |
| 18:17.28 | wols_ | gluttony: that's not the wlan chip |
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| 18:17.33 | wols_ | !bcm43xx |
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| 18:17.37 | wols_ | gah! no bot |
| 18:17.49 | Kevin`_ | eolhyte_ for a single file linux/unix only i'd use tar, actually, and stream it to the cd |
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| 18:18.12 | Kevin`_ | (I assume you wouldn't fit multiple such files on the disc anyway) |
| 18:18.15 | wols_ | gluttony: and I _really_ don't believe you have a HP laptop and a "dell wireless 1390 wlan". Just doesn't add up |
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| 18:18.25 | Kevin`_ | although you could with tar, of course |
| 18:18.26 | eolhyte_ | Kevin`_, you want to say this to elenril, don't you ? |
| 18:18.30 | wols_ | Kevin`_: DL DVDs... |
| 18:18.31 | Kevin`_ | probably |
| 18:18.34 | Kevin`_ | :) |
| 18:18.42 | Kevin`_ | bbl, sleep |
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| 18:19.17 | gluttony | wols_ i dont know what im looking for. its the only thing that mentions wireless in the line |
| 18:19.19 | wols_ | gluttony: http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx?highlight=%28bcm43xx%29 |
| 18:19.41 | wols_ | gluttony: lspci -n what are the PCI IDs for the wlan? |
| 18:20.00 | elenril | ok, thanks |
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| 18:20.33 | gluttony | wols_, how do i do that if i dont have internet? can i put it on a mem stick? |
| 18:20.59 | wols_ | yes you can. download the .deb files and install them via dpkg -i |
| 18:21.12 | wols_ | or use apt-zip |
| 18:21.50 | gluttony | wols_, right over my head there |
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| 18:23.18 | wols_ | download the .deb files mentioned. copy them to a memory stick. install them on debian via dpkg -i <package.deb> |
| 18:23.55 | gluttony | wols_, should i google search them to find them |
| 18:24.05 | pickcoder | ndiswrapper may be a lot less hassle |
| 18:24.12 | pickcoder | the bcm drivers aren't exactly stable |
| 18:24.27 | Speckal | I have set up my printer and I can print fine from cups web interface. When I try to print test page from gnome's Printers screen, the job fails and I get the following message in the cups log: cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found! |
| 18:24.50 | wols_ | gluttony: no. they are available from debian.org |
| 18:24.54 | gluttony | ok |
| 18:24.55 | wols_ | see packages.debian.org |
| 18:25.11 | wols_ | or as pickcoder said, use ndiswrapper |
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| 18:25.31 | wols_ | tho, which of those two options is the worse one is open to debate... |
| 18:25.40 | wols_ | fact is, broadcom always sucks, no matter what |
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| 18:26.19 | h3sp4wn | Some Broadcom stuff is pretty good (serverworks) |
| 18:26.35 | pickcoder | wols_: unless you plan on running a managed card, the 'doze drive should work better. Of course the fun with bcm is finding the exact driver, of several, for the same chipset number |
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| 18:27.08 | pickcoder | especially when you're dealing with OEM cards |
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| 18:28.09 | smacnay | I am trying to use fusesmb with the following command line (typed as root): fusesmb /mnt/fuse -o allow_other |
| 18:28.21 | smacnay | I cannot access the shares that appear as regular user. |
| 18:28.30 | pickcoder | gluttony: when the bcm driver actually works, you get a lot more control over the card |
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| 18:28.43 | gluttony | wols, on debian.org, go to Debian Packages, search packages, then search bcm43xx-fwcutter, right? |
| 18:28.58 | gluttony | pickcoder, what kind of control? |
| 18:29.00 | pickcoder | gluttony: did you check the bcm43xx web site for compatibility and stability? |
| 18:29.37 | gluttony | pickcoder, no. |
| 18:29.37 | pickcoder | gluttony: running it as an access point, for example (in managed mode) |
| 18:29.42 | salvin | who knows sdlmame? |
| 18:29.52 | pickcoder | gluttony: before you download anything, get your PCI IDs and look at the hardware list |
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| 18:30.14 | pickcoder | http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices |
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| 18:30.36 | petemc | smacnay: whuse fusesmb , out of interest? |
| 18:30.40 | petemc | gah |
| 18:30.41 | petemc | why use |
| 18:31.10 | gluttony | pickcoder, i dont know which. i ran lspci, and i cant tell which one is the card |
| 18:31.46 | pickcoder | it should say ethernet |
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| 18:31.51 | drizzd | I'm having trouble with xine lately. Instead of playing the video it just shows a blank screen. I can only exit by hitting Ctrl+\ twice (which causes a segfault) or by doing kill -9 `pgrep xine`. If I try xine again after that it usually works. |
| 18:31.57 | emss | I broke my kde installation yesterday |
| 18:32.00 | smacnay | petemc: I am just trying it out. |
| 18:32.13 | petemc | ok.. |
| 18:32.15 | drizzd | s/blank screen/black window/ |
| 18:32.34 | drizzd | anyone having similar problems? |
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| 18:34.28 | pickcoder | gluttony: lspci -v | grep Ethernet |
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| 18:35.08 | pickcoder | if it's 00:05.0 then run lspci -n | grep 00:05.0 |
| 18:35.19 | pickcoder | that will show your the raw vendor and device numbers |
| 18:35.39 | gluttony | pickcoder, nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller |
| 18:35.50 | pickcoder | gluttony: is the card active? |
| 18:36.08 | gluttony | pickcoder, how do i tell? |
| 18:36.32 | pickcoder | if it's not in lspci anywhere then apparently it's not |
| 18:36.38 | pickcoder | unless this is a usb device |
| 18:37.10 | gluttony | pickcoder, i got nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller |
| 18:37.10 | pickcoder | gluttony: maybe there's a wifi button on the laptop somewhere? |
| 18:37.55 | pickcoder | this is probably your built-in IC |
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| 18:37.56 | pickcoder | NIC |
| 18:38.04 | gluttony | pickcoder, i have a wireless switch, but its on |
| 18:38.27 | pickcoder | lspci -v | less |
| 18:38.31 | pickcoder | scroll through carefully |
| 18:38.47 | militant | pickcoder: too bad it's ... wait. pick coder? PICK? used to run on the old ibms? |
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| 18:39.14 | gluttony | pickcoder, what am i looking for? |
| 18:39.31 | smacnay | is fusesmb to be run as user or as root? |
| 18:39.36 | pickcoder | actually it ran on specialzed hardware and also AS/400's |
| 18:39.48 | pickcoder | eventually moved to DOS platforms |
| 18:39.51 | amiralul | hmmm, did anyone noticed that gaim crashes on debian stable seconds after launching it? |
| 18:39.53 | pickcoder | and not *nix and 'doze |
| 18:39.56 | pickcoder | s/not/now |
| 18:40.17 | pickcoder | gluttony: wireless or ethernet |
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| 18:40.24 | pickcoder | it should be fairly obvious |
| 18:40.34 | Ronin | amiralul: never did that for me nor the pidgin backport |
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| 18:40.50 | amiralul | strange... |
| 18:41.04 | amiralul | it is the default instalation... I launch gaim and it dies... every time |
| 18:41.05 | pickcoder | militant: we run Raining Data's D3/Linux, which happens to be the reinvention of Advanced Pick into a VME |
| 18:41.12 | amiralul | !pidgin |
| 18:41.25 | pickcoder | IBM owns Universe and UniData now, along with their DB2 offerings |
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| 18:41.37 | xand | IBM owns the universe? :o |
| 18:41.41 | Speckal | but they couldn't hang onto their thinkpads :P |
| 18:41.47 | pickcoder | xand: that'll be Google soon |
| 18:41.50 | Ronin | amiralul: try it from a term and see if any errors/messages appeark |
| 18:41.58 | Ronin | amiralul: how did you install gaim? |
| 18:42.12 | amiralul | apt-get install gaim? |
| 18:42.12 | gluttony | pickcoder, the only one i see is that nVidia one. i see a Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PC I Card |
| 18:42.21 | Ronin | appeark? what the heck is appeark? heh |
| 18:42.22 | pickcoder | *ding* *ding* |
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| 18:42.35 | pickcoder | I guess the Wireless WLAN card doesn't sound like a wifi card? |
| 18:42.50 | pickcoder | (it is.. if you are still questioning it) |
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| 18:43.13 | gluttony | pickcoder, i never doubted it but wols_ told me it wasnt what i was looking for |
| 18:43.20 | amiralul | Ronin: http://pastebin.com/d514b89b4 |
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| 18:43.30 | pickcoder | militant: comp.databases.pick is still an active Usenet group |
| 18:43.52 | pickcoder | gluttony get the PCI ID of that device and then do the lspci -n on it |
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| 18:44.00 | pickcoder | lspci -n | grep <PCI ID> |
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| 18:44.15 | stew | amiralul: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:44.28 | pickcoder | the third number-set is the vendor:device |
| 18:44.29 | amiralul | 4.0r1 stable |
| 18:44.43 | gluttony | pickcoder, is the pci id the numbers before the device name |
| 18:44.44 | amiralul | fresh installed, minutes ago |
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| 18:45.01 | pickcoder | it's the first string in the lspci list |
| 18:45.09 | pickcoder | 00:05.0 for example |
| 18:45.45 | gluttony | pickcoder, something like 01:00.0? |
| 18:45.48 | pickcoder | yes |
| 18:45.55 | pickcoder | lspci -n | grep 01:00.0 |
| 18:45.55 | jelly | !hovercraft |
| 18:46.04 | jelly | !test |
| 18:46.11 | pickcoder | the bot ran away |
| 18:46.16 | jelly | %test |
| 18:46.25 | amiralul | I can launch gaim, I can create an yahoo account, it logs in and ... BANG |
| 18:46.28 | jelly | @hovercraft |
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| 18:47.05 | chops | So I'm planning to use LDAP to synchronize accounts between two servers (and more in the future) |
| 18:47.10 | abrotman | jelly: use aptitude |
| 18:47.20 | gluttony | pickcoder, now what? i got '01:00.0 0280: 14e4:4311 (rev 2) |
| 18:47.23 | Ov1 | can anyone help me get proxychains working? |
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| 18:47.27 | pickcoder | 4311 is the chip |
| 18:47.34 | jelly | aptitude, what's your activation character |
| 18:47.34 | pickcoder | 14e4 is the ID for Broadcom |
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| 18:47.45 | pickcoder | http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices |
| 18:47.54 | chops | It seems to me that I need to manually synchronize the UIDs for the shared accounts (and change owners on files appropriately) by hand. Right? Does anyone know of an easier way? |
| 18:48.05 | jelly | aptitude, hovercraft |
| 18:48.05 | aptitude | My hovercraft is full of eels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6D1YI-41ao |
| 18:48.09 | amiralul | what repo should I use for an up-to-date, safe, pidgin? |
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| 18:48.23 | jelly | thanks, aptitude |
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| 18:48.30 | Ov1 | it always fails to connect to any proxy I try |
| 18:48.34 | chops | amiralul: Volatile is generally what provides things like that |
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| 18:48.52 | dewey | hmmm not working |
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| 18:48.59 | amiralul | chops: I hope I will not brake further stuff... :( |
| 18:48.59 | chops | amiralul: (Assuming you're running stable -- if you're running testing or unstable, it should be up-to-date and safe regardless) |
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| 18:49.10 | chops | amiralul: Be not afraid of the name |
| 18:49.22 | wols_ | pickcoder: "managed card"? |
| 18:49.24 | gluttony | pickcoder, its on the list |
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| 18:49.29 | pickcoder | gluttony: you can use that technique for determining the chip number and vendor for all pci hardware |
| 18:49.34 | chops | !tell amiralul about volatile |
| 18:49.34 | amiralul | chops: as I said, gaim crashesh on debian stable 4.0r1 with no package installed out of official repos.... |
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| 18:49.51 | pickcoder | wols_: managed mode as apposed to client-only |
| 18:50.11 | duns_s | hi, i am on debian unstable |
| 18:50.15 | stew | chops: i would not expect volatile to contain packages not in stable |
| 18:50.23 | gluttony | pickcoder: ok, i cant see where to download the package now |
| 18:50.32 | stew | amiralul: are other things crashing or just gaim? have you checked the bts? |
| 18:50.41 | duns_s | as soon as i do "setxkbmap de" my arrow keys and a lot other keys get mapped to some shortcuts and don't work as expected... |
| 18:50.44 | duns_s | any ideas? |
| 18:50.49 | chops | stew: Oh, is pidgin too new to be in etch? |
| 18:50.52 | amiralul | stew: nothing esle that I noticed. (bts?) |
| 18:51.01 | wols_ | !btssmite duns_s |
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| 18:51.23 | duns_s | wols_: ? |
| 18:51.24 | stew | amiralul: /msg aptitude bts |
| 18:51.33 | pickcoder | gluttony: packages.debian.org |
| 18:51.37 | wols_ | duns_s: you run unstable. you deal with the breakage |
| 18:51.40 | Ov1 | anyone ever had problems with proxychains? |
| 18:51.45 | wols_ | and right now, keyboard settings are broken |
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| 18:51.48 | pickcoder | search for bcm43xx on the version of debian you have (stable/testing/unstable) |
| 18:52.04 | streuner | apt, sid faq |
| 18:52.04 | apt | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 18:52.27 | duns_s | wols_: thanks, that is very helpful |
| 18:52.33 | duns_s | i know that |
| 18:52.44 | Ronin | chops: yes, its not in etch but it is available in backports |
| 18:52.51 | wols_ | duns_s: your problem is already described in bts, you are expected to check BTS yourself |
| 18:52.52 | gluttony | pickcoder: what was the app im looking for called? |
| 18:52.55 | streuner | apt, sid faq is also http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror) |
| 18:52.55 | apt | okay, streuner |
| 18:52.56 | wols_ | duns_s: before coming here |
| 18:53.12 | pickcoder | bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 18:53.22 | wols_ | gluttony: just search for bcm43xx. you will find more than one. you need pretty much all |
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| 18:53.36 | pickcoder | or just install ndiswrapper and use the windows driver |
| 18:53.37 | stew | duns_s: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=442316 |
| 18:53.50 | pickcoder | the 4311 is stable, though |
| 18:53.56 | chops | Ronin, amiralul: Hm, perhaps it's in volatile under 'gaim'... or perhaps you should use pidgin from backports, yes. |
| 18:54.04 | duns_s | stew: thanks very much |
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| 18:54.34 | gluttony | wols_: so get debconf, libc6, libc6.1? |
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| 18:55.03 | wols_ | gluttony: no |
| 18:55.18 | wols_ | the "bcm43xx" packages pretty much. among them the fwcutter |
| 18:55.19 | gluttony | wols_, nm, i see what i need |
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| 18:57.09 | shifty | hello ... |
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| 18:57.39 | amiralul | chops: no gaim or pidgin in volatile |
| 18:57.40 | shifty | how can i unrar a file x.rar to the directory /media/dir/ ??? |
| 18:57.42 | gribouille | hi |
| 18:57.50 | gribouille | I have a problem with locales |
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| 18:58.19 | gluttony | wols_, ok i have them, now what is the command to install the package? |
| 18:58.35 | chops | amiralul: Ugh. I'd advise trying backports. Also, you can check the BTS and/or file a bug... I would expect old versions to maybe not work because of protocol changes, but they shouldn't crash. |
| 18:58.37 | dewey | hmmm what is lenny like now? |
| 18:58.47 | dewey | does it break a lot of stuff? |
| 18:59.08 | chops | amiralul: You can run it in gdb and pastebin the backtrace, and I'll glance at it and see if there's something obviously wrong about it |
| 18:59.56 | gribouille | I have LANG=fr_FR.iso885915. if I sort 'a' and 'á', 'a' comes first. if I sort 'aã' and 'áâ', 'áâ' comes first. can someone help me ? |
| 18:59.58 | amiralul | chops: I will, if you can give me a little more details about running in gdb :) |
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| 19:00.12 | chops | amiralul: Run 'gdb gaim' |
| 19:00.15 | chops | amiralul: Type 'run' |
| 19:00.30 | chops | amiralul: When it crashes, you'll get a bunch of gibberish which you can pastebin :-) |
| 19:00.41 | stew | chops: are you really going to be able to make sense of a baktrace of a stripped binary with no debug symbols? |
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| 19:00.52 | stew | gribouille: do you speak french? |
| 19:00.56 | shifty | how can i extract a rar file? |
| 19:01.00 | gribouille | stew, yes |
| 19:01.00 | fredl | anybody use evms? |
| 19:01.15 | chops | fredl: I used to. Also, /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 19:01.28 | stew | gribouille: you might get better answers for that type of question in #debian-fr |
| 19:01.35 | fredl | chops - yeah I know, sorry. |
| 19:01.47 | fredl | chops - so you no longer use it? how come? |
| 19:01.56 | shifty | some 1 ?!?!?!? |
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| 19:01.58 | shifty | !rar |
| 19:02.03 | gribouille | stew, but it is not related to a specific language |
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| 19:02.06 | chops | stew: I may be able to see what syscalls are involved, or what libraries |
| 19:02.09 | shifty | !unrar |
| 19:02.16 | gluttony | pickcoder, i have the package, what do i need to do now |
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| 19:02.32 | chops | fredl: Because it's a big pain in the ass. I use LVM2 using the command-line tools now, and I'm much happier. |
| 19:02.36 | stew | shifty: cd /media/dir ; unrar x /path/to/x.rar |
| 19:02.38 | RvGaTe | !seen dpkg |
| 19:02.40 | RvGaTe | :( |
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| 19:03.26 | fredl | chops - ah. That's part of what I was wondering about. First I was searching for a GUI to configure/inspect my LVM2 volumes, so I found evmsgui.... |
| 19:03.31 | amiralul | chops: http://pastebin.com/m7ec6e5c |
| 19:03.58 | fredl | but I'm getting the impression that evms is an addition to, or even something separate from, LVM2 |
| 19:04.09 | amiralul | it runs, but now only the window of it appera,I can move it, but no button actions, I think it was segfault already |
| 19:04.12 | gluttony | how do i install a package that i have downloaded |
| 19:04.20 | Throat | shifty: or try "unp" |
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| 19:04.27 | chops | amiralul: Can you type 'bt' in that window and pastebin the result? |
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| 19:05.12 | fredl | chops - do you know of any decent GUI tool that can visualise my LVM2 volumes and let me modify them without the evms stuff? |
| 19:05.18 | mutante | uhmm, if i removed my ipv6 IP from eth0 and localhost, and additionally executed ipv6tables to drop all incoming traffic, but still see "tcp6" connections in "netstat -a" ..would you think the system is owned ? :P |
| 19:05.20 | amiralul | chops: http://pastebin.com/d3727f93a |
| 19:05.40 | busta07 | Hello |
| 19:05.44 | chops | fredl: It is. I'm not aware of such a tool; EVMS is supposed to be it, but it fails horribly (in my experience). I'd advise sucking it up and learning the command-line tools :-(. Sorry. |
| 19:06.07 | stew | mutante: show us the output of netstat ; use a pastebin : /msg aptitude pastebin |
| 19:06.14 | busta07 | I need help from someone who can help meto cinfigure iptables the best to prevent ddos attacks and know the ips and block them immediatelt |
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| 19:06.44 | fredl | blocking all IP's in a DDOS attack? |
| 19:06.53 | fredl | is that a smart defense against DDOS? :) |
| 19:06.57 | shifty | stew, how can i set the destination directory with unrar? |
| 19:06.59 | stew | busta07: that is not possible |
| 19:07.01 | Ronin | fredl: pull the network cable |
| 19:07.07 | stew | shifty: i don't know if there is a way. man unrar |
| 19:07.12 | shifty | a |
| 19:07.13 | shifty | h |
| 19:07.25 | busta07 | stew: i know but i need a good solution |
| 19:07.50 | stew | busta07: there isn't one |
| 19:07.52 | Ronin | fredl: if you're being ddosd theres little you can do, you'd have to talk to your isp |
| 19:07.59 | fredl | maybe blocking traffic with iptables in a DDOS situation is counter effective even, could keep your kernel real busy. |
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| 19:08.14 | fredl | Ronin - I know, just answering to busta06 |
| 19:08.14 | stew | depends on the nature of the dos |
| 19:08.22 | chops | amiralul: Sadly, as stew predicted, I received no enlightenment from looking at the backtrace :-(. gaim in etch shouldn't crash if everything is proper, but there you have it. I recommend pidgin from backports (or filing a bug). |
| 19:08.25 | mutante | stew: mostly domain names ending in .ru connecting to port 80 and 22 :p |
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| 19:08.44 | Ronin | fredl: ahh oops |
| 19:08.45 | fredl | stew - true. but if somebody's DDOS'ing you with ICMP packets for example, good luck filtering that out. |
| 19:08.51 | stew | mutante: what? |
| 19:09.01 | Ronin | what is the fear with ddos this week? |
| 19:09.18 | amiralul | chops: thanks anyway :) |
| 19:09.41 | \amethyst | fredl: if you have an asymmetric connection, dropping ICMP can reduce the effectiveness of a DDOS |
| 19:09.42 | stew | fredl: if the dos is something, for instance, that makes apache use lots of resources, then filtering out port 80 packets would stop the dos, for instance, (rendering apache useless, but its not 'counter effective') |
| 19:10.05 | busta07 | so there is not any solution that can decrease the power of ddos |
| 19:10.10 | stew | fredl: i don't see why ICMP packets are any more difficult to filter |
| 19:10.14 | dondelelcaro | busta07: there are |
| 19:10.21 | dondelelcaro | busta07: depends on what particular type of ddos it is |
| 19:10.22 | busta07 | dondelelcaro: like what |
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| 19:10.39 | busta07 | llet's say flood attack |
| 19:10.44 | busta07 | port 80 |
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| 19:11.08 | dondelelcaro | if you can distinguish the flood from normal packets, you discard them as far away from you as possible |
| 19:11.28 | fredl | stew - no more difficult to filter, but typically they'll be small to begin with and with little effect. the ddos part is that you get so goddamned many. filtering them out would prevent from replies being sent, eliminating part of the problem, but it would keep your kernel very busy with filtering out TONS of ICMP packets. |
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| 19:12.00 | dondelelcaro | dealing with a ddos at the machine level isn't going to help; you have to deal with it farther out on the network |
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| 19:12.08 | fredl | however, replying with ICMP redirects is fun in some situations. |
| 19:12.11 | dondelelcaro | (unless it's a weak ddos) |
| 19:12.16 | snowbird | has any one used a kodac cam yet |
| 19:12.17 | tralala | fredl, the kernel is generally capable of filtering quite large number of packets without delay |
| 19:12.33 | fredl | tralala - without delay? wow :) |
| 19:12.38 | snipingducks | does someone know how to install the artwiz fonts and cursor on etch ? |
| 19:12.43 | fredl | AFAIK, everything causes delay. |
| 19:13.10 | stew | fredl: ok, but you are just saying "filtering TONS of packets sucks" but its nothing in particular about ICMP |
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| 19:13.54 | tralala | fredl, unless you have a 100mbps connection the chances are that the connection will be full long before the kernel utilizes fully the cpu |
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| 19:14.24 | tralala | well, unless you're on a 486 I guess |
| 19:14.44 | fredl | or an OpenWRT router... |
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| 19:16.19 | fredl | isohunt is cool. |
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| 19:17.24 | gribouille | can someone try the following command and tell me the results please :echo -e "aã\ná " | sort |
| 19:17.33 | Speckal | lol |
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| 19:18.53 | tralala | gribouille, the results are... unexpected |
| 19:18.59 | tralala | b gets on top |
| 19:19.05 | draygon | how do I setup wget to work with https:// also |
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| 19:19.28 | Speckal | "complications of a mastermind..." |
| 19:19.35 | fredl | goodness, torrentflux is eating up ALL my bandwidth. |
| 19:19.39 | fredl | kewl. |
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| 19:20.00 | gluttony | how do i log in as root? |
| 19:20.02 | Ace2016 | Hi all can someone help me with xbindkeys |
| 19:20.16 | draygon | how do I setup wget to work with https:// also |
| 19:20.20 | fredl | gluttony, well by knowing your password? |
| 19:20.41 | gluttony | no, i mean, at the log in screen, it said i couldnt from that screen |
| 19:20.43 | tralala | gluttony, generally you don't need to - you use sudo or su instead |
| 19:20.48 | chops | draygon: What does it do now? It should just work. |
| 19:20.49 | \amethyst | draygon: what version of wget? |
| 19:21.00 | draygon | how do I check my version? |
| 19:21.10 | \amethyst | draygon: dpkg -l wget |
| 19:21.12 | fredl | oh in xwindows? gosh, I never even do that anymore these days... |
| 19:21.18 | gluttony | tralala, i accedently missed typed my password thrice, and not i cant use sudo |
| 19:21.21 | pickcoder | draygon: wget does not support SSL |
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| 19:21.31 | fredl | gluttony, use su - ? |
| 19:21.34 | draygon | hmmm |
| 19:21.35 | vin` | !greetings |
| 19:21.35 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 19:21.36 | chops | pickcoder: I assure you that it does |
| 19:21.36 | stew | !depends wget |
| 19:21.41 | dpkg | wget: depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8e-1) |
| 19:21.48 | Ace2016 | i'm having trouble setting θ to be a command, i have already asigned it to a key http://pastebin.com/m17b450d1 is my xbindkeysrc can someone help |
| 19:21.50 | pickcoder | as long as I can remember it never did |
| 19:21.56 | stew | pickcoder: look at what dpkg just said |
| 19:21.57 | pickcoder | news to me |
| 19:22.05 | draygon | ii wget 1.10.2-2 retrieves files from the web |
| 19:22.07 | chops | pickcoder: Ah, now _that's_ a much different statement :-) |
| 19:22.20 | chops | draygon: As I asked before, what does it do that seems broken when you try? |
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| 19:22.30 | gluttony | fredl, su said authentication faillure |
| 19:22.31 | draygon | a script i am installing |
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| 19:22.42 | draygon | is stopping because, its saying wget is not supporting SSL |
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| 19:23.03 | chops | draygon: Have you tried retrieving an https page by hand to determine whether or not the script is mistaken? |
| 19:23.12 | chops | draygon: I am inclined to believe that the script is mistaken. |
| 19:23.21 | fredl | gluttony - well use your root password, not your own password. |
| 19:23.23 | tralala | gluttony, check your caps lock and your keyboard layout |
| 19:24.06 | tralala | gluttony, also try sudo -k |
| 19:24.36 | gluttony | tralala, sudo -k did nothing that i can tell |
| 19:24.49 | Ace2016 | i found it, had to run xbindkeys -mk to get a window like xev to show me what i've got to run |
| 19:25.00 | tralala | gluttony, try a sudo command now - it should ask for password |
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| 19:26.04 | pickcoder | yeah.. it retrieved an file via https. Hm. I swear I remember using cURL mostly due to that feature lack. |
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| 19:26.18 | pickcoder | s/an/a |
| 19:26.18 | gluttony | tralala, i can use sudo again, but i... seem to have forgoten my pass |
| 19:26.35 | tralala | gluttony, with sudo you need your _user_ password not root's |
| 19:26.48 | pickcoder | if sudoers is setup |
| 19:26.55 | chops | pickcoder: It may not have at some point in the past |
| 19:27.09 | gluttony | tralala, it say i am not in the sudoers file |
| 19:27.10 | pickcoder | chops: I've only been using Linux since '96 |
| 19:27.27 | tralala | gluttony, so you're stuck to su and the root's pass |
| 19:27.50 | gluttony | tralala, which i forgot. so basically, im screwed |
| 19:28.00 | pickcoder | my memory hasn't been getting better over the years either |
| 19:28.01 | Ace2016 | you know what i find strange, that you can run sudo passwd root, so with your password you can change root's password, how come? (is this a ubuntu only thing?) |
| 19:28.09 | RvGaTe | how can i check wich modules are currently loaded ? |
| 19:28.14 | Ace2016 | lsmod |
| 19:28.15 | snowbird | when is lenny stable? |
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| 19:28.27 | chops | Ace2016: With sudo you can do anything, including changing root's password or deleting your hard drive |
| 19:28.48 | pickcoder | chops: but no users are preconfigured in sudoers on Debian |
| 19:28.50 | RvGaTe | Ace2016, lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 19:28.54 | tralala | gluttony, do you have any proof that you're the administrator of this computer? |
| 19:29.11 | tralala | there are ways to reset the root's password |
| 19:29.20 | chops | Ace2016: sudo access is equivalent to knowing the root password; it's just a little more sensible setup than handing out your root password |
| 19:29.26 | Ace2016 | strange lsmod shows me all my loaded kernel modules |
| 19:29.41 | chops | pickcoder: Well, yes, you can't do 'sudo passwd root' without being is sudoers. That is true. Yes. |
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| 19:29.44 | gluttony | tralala, none that i can give you. i can just tell you i just installed today and am trying to get my wireless to work. |
| 19:29.48 | chops | *being in sudoers |
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| 19:30.20 | pickcoder | more than likely that "feature" was implemented by the Ubuntu installer |
| 19:30.28 | pickcoder | for the user created in addition to root |
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| 19:30.59 | Ace2016 | RvGaTe: do you have module-init-tools installed? |
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| 19:31.52 | szachista_ | hi |
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| 19:32.00 | fredl | pickcoder - you're not suggesting somebody in #ubuntu suggested 'go to #debian your question is too hard for us' right? :) |
| 19:32.07 | Ace2016 | RvGaTe: its here http://kerneltrap.org/node/3891 |
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| 19:32.15 | Azx | if i need a program to run in Real time , is setting its nice level to -20 the way to do it? |
| 19:32.26 | szachista_ | why i can't write to my pendrive from user account? my fstab: /dev/sda1 /media/mp3 vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0 |
| 19:32.32 | gluttony | tralala, you can confirm my story with pickcoder, hes the one who helped me find the packages and all that i needed |
| 19:32.49 | szachista_ | if i mount mp3 player using the same device (/dev/sda1) everything is ok |
| 19:34.28 | Ace2016 | szachista_: was it plugged in when the computer booted? |
| 19:34.34 | szachista_ | Ace2016: no |
| 19:35.19 | szachista_ | it seems to be autodetected, lsusb lists it |
| 19:35.27 | Ace2016 | well my pendrive isn't even listed in /etc/fstab, and kde just shows the mount dialogue when i plug it in, so it gets mounted as the user i guess |
| 19:35.32 | gluttony | tralala, you still here? |
| 19:35.37 | tralala | gluttony, /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 19:35.42 | Ace2016 | lol |
| 19:35.44 | duns_s | stew, wols_: thanks, i have used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and now it works again |
| 19:35.45 | Ace2016 | i have to try that |
| 19:35.59 | szachista_ | Ace2016: i've tried to unplug it and plug again, still the same result |
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| 19:38.36 | gluttony | tralala, i held shift while i booted, and nothing happend |
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| 19:39.14 | tralala | gluttony, because you've got grub, read carefully |
| 19:39.58 | gluttony | tralala, do i press 'e' while booting? |
| 19:40.04 | tralala | yes |
| 19:41.39 | gluttony | tralala, nothing happened. |
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| 19:43.31 | rockets | Whatdo you guys think is a better way of transfering a 19gb directory over the lan |
| 19:43.34 | rockets | tar and ftp |
| 19:43.35 | rockets | or just rsync |
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| 19:44.21 | draygon | take the hard drive out and plug it in to its destination =) |
| 19:44.29 | radius | i use sftp |
| 19:44.53 | ben_goodger | OT: this is great.... http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~perekdr/leopard_windows_easter_egg.jpg |
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| 19:46.17 | rockets | radius, its a local lan i dont need sftp |
| 19:46.20 | rockets | draygon, not an option |
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| 19:46.50 | dondelelcaro | rockets: rsync |
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| 19:48.25 | tralala | gluttony, did you press 'e' at the grub menu? |
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| 19:49.03 | tarzeau | rockets: rsync |
| 19:49.07 | Ace2016 | did you select debian from the prompt and press e? |
| 19:49.42 | draygon | 2011708 kB |
| 19:49.45 | draygon | How many GB is this? |
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| 19:49.57 | tralala | it's 2011708/1024 GB |
| 19:49.57 | tarzeau | draygon: 0.2 |
| 19:50.01 | Ace2016 | divide by 1024 and again by 1024 |
| 19:50.13 | tralala | oh, that's kb... |
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| 19:50.27 | draygon | So it's 2GB? |
| 19:50.37 | tarzeau | draygon: no, 200 mb, 0.2 GB |
| 19:50.42 | tralala | no, it's 2011708/1024/1024 GB |
| 19:50.58 | Ace2016 | so 2GB |
| 19:51.05 | draygon | right |
| 19:51.06 | draygon | lol |
| 19:51.09 | tarzeau | no it's not 2 GB |
| 19:51.09 | draygon | its 2GB then? |
| 19:51.27 | tarzeau | ok ok it is |
| 19:51.34 | draygon | :) |
| 19:51.42 | Ace2016 | yea i googled it http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=2011708/1024/1024&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 19:51.43 | tralala | 1.91 something |
| 19:51.55 | tarzeau | next time use units |
| 19:52.44 | rockets | is this correct if i want to rync via ftp |
| 19:52.45 | rockets | rsync -a -e ftp /media/sda4/vmware/webhost 66.228.0.36:"/SPACE/webhost-2007-10-26" |
| 19:52.56 | Nyle | YES! |
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| 19:53.04 | rockets | Nyle, is that yes to me? |
| 19:53.05 | Nyle | fglrx+aiglx is now possible |
| 19:53.07 | rockets | oh. |
| 19:53.11 | Ace2016 | guess not |
| 19:53.12 | rockets | yes everybodys know that for days :-P |
| 19:53.36 | Ace2016 | wait why would you want fglrx + aiglx? |
| 19:53.48 | Ace2016 | oh wait fglrx is the ati driver isn't it? |
| 19:53.54 | tralala | yes |
| 19:54.12 | Nyle | rockets: I just found out |
| 19:54.16 | Nyle | let me remain exicted |
| 19:54.17 | Ace2016 | why not called it ati? like nvidia calls it nv? |
| 19:54.19 | Nyle | don't take it away from me |
| 19:54.21 | Nyle | :( |
| 19:54.33 | Ace2016 | nvidia* |
| 19:55.04 | gluttony | tralala, of, i hit e at grub, and i got some new menu. |
| 19:55.42 | tralala | gluttony, now you go to the kernel line, hit 'e' again and follow the rest of the instructions |
| 19:56.31 | gluttony | tralala, do i add all that to the end on a new line or just start typing? |
| 19:57.13 | tarzeau | anyone wants to test goattracker latest version with great new song called funktest.sng ? |
| 19:57.16 | tralala | gluttony, just follow the instructions |
| 19:57.46 | gluttony | tralala, it says add a line to the end, but i just want to make sure that mean on a new line |
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| 19:57.53 | Ace2016 | tarzeau: care to tell us what goattracker is? |
| 19:58.04 | emss | how do I make apt forget about a package that I have phisically removed? |
| 19:58.06 | tralala | gluttony, it's the end of the 'kernel' line |
| 19:58.16 | tarzeau | Ace2016: a C64 music editor |
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| 19:58.31 | Ace2016 | emss: reinstall it and then remove it? |
| 19:58.36 | gluttony | so just after the stuff already there, just add the init stuff. |
| 19:58.43 | Ace2016 | or would that cause problems? |
| 19:58.43 | Nyle | tarzeau: hey |
| 19:58.44 | tralala | yes |
| 19:58.47 | emss | Ace2016: it's erroring when I try to purge it |
| 19:58.50 | abrotman | he can reinstall it |
| 19:58.54 | tarzeau | hey Nyle |
| 19:58.57 | Nyle | tarzeau: I haven't seen yoru crazy ass in a while |
| 19:59.01 | Nyle | where you been buddy |
| 19:59.10 | tarzeau | Nyle: tunisia |
| 19:59.16 | Nyle | wicked |
| 19:59.22 | Nyle | get some tunisian home grown |
| 19:59.23 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 19:59.38 | DawnLight | yo |
| 19:59.49 | tarzeau | Nyle: you should get DD and sponsor some new packages from me |
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| 20:00.15 | Nyle | actually as soon as I get settled down I have another project I want to package |
| 20:00.22 | Nyle | and this time I am going to file an ITP |
| 20:00.33 | Nyle | I just moved again |
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| 20:00.57 | waldo | why chromium is not anymore on debian ?/quit |
| 20:01.02 | Nyle | tarzeau: but what do you have in mind? |
| 20:01.09 | vin` | tarzeau: bubbles |
| 20:01.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe *you* should quit slacking off and get DD |
| 20:01.38 | vin` | abrotman: and you too? |
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| 20:01.45 | abrotman | vin`: i'm not allowed! |
| 20:01.52 | vin` | abrotman: says who? |
| 20:02.13 | dkr | don't get implants for DD breasts, you are fine the way you are |
| 20:02.14 | abrotman | vin`: tarzeau said so! :) |
| 20:02.16 | yoshio | emss: reinstall, then remove --purge. if that doesn't work, look at /var/lib/dpkg/status - look for your package, then change the Status line to "Status: purge ok not-installed" |
| 20:02.29 | tarzeau | vin`: yeah? #bub-n-bros |
| 20:02.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't have an advocate |
| 20:02.41 | vin` | tarzeau: ok, me there |
| 20:02.48 | DawnLight | doe packging make one a DD? |
| 20:03.11 | tarzeau | DawnLight: no |
| 20:03.18 | tralala | DawnLight, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 20:03.21 | tarzeau | DawnLight: answering www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png makes you a DD |
| 20:03.27 | vin` | abrotman: have you tried bubbles? |
| 20:03.36 | abrotman | vin`: yes .. i whupped tarzeau's but |
| 20:03.37 | abrotman | butt |
| 20:03.45 | tarzeau | vin`: which srver? |
| 20:03.50 | vin` | abrotman: well, come on over then |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | working |
| 20:04.06 | Nyle | hey I met that Kevix guy |
| 20:04.09 | vin` | tarzeau: you're the server guy, you tell us! |
| 20:04.15 | tralala | tarzeau, that's black! |
| 20:04.17 | Nyle | hes pretty cool |
| 20:04.29 | tarzeau | vin`: let's do Dreamland |
| 20:04.56 | vin` | tarzeau: hmm, what's that? other than just dreaming? |
| 20:04.58 | tarzeau | tralala: what's black? |
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| 20:04.59 | gluttony | tralala, thanks. ok, clarify for me, when i do sudo, im suppoded to type the root password (y/n)? |
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| 20:05.11 | Ace2016 | Can i just ask why the debian logo doesn't have a clean sweaping line? |
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| 20:05.20 | Airbottle | can someone recommend a good agenda/calender program? |
| 20:05.30 | vin` | Ace2016: design one |
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| 20:05.43 | tarzeau | Airbottle: agenda.app :) |
| 20:05.53 | Airbottle | ok, i'll check it out |
| 20:06.30 | Ace2016 | i could easily do that but its easier to design one with a clean line than to design the one that looks like stuff going down a plug hole of a strangely shaped sink |
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| 20:06.42 | Ace2016 | so i was wondering why those bits are there |
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| 20:08.01 | StevenHarperUK | Can someone have a look at my debian/rules file according to a review its calling dh_install twice : http://www.squeezedonkey.com/svn/linux/easycrypt/easycrypt/debian/rules |
| 20:08.23 | tarzeau | vin`: i'm the golden dragon in dreamland. where are you? |
| 20:09.36 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:09.36 | DawnLight | how can i send a WOL magic packet across subnets? |
| 20:09.45 | vin` | tarzeau: I don't see dreamland, which server is that? |
| 20:09.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do I turn a WLAN dongle into a Access Point? |
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| 20:10.11 | Nyle | tarzeau: hey |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: not all can |
| 20:10.19 | Nyle | tarzeau: what you playin |
| 20:10.29 | tarzeau | Nyle: yes? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 20:10.31 | DawnLight | HardDisk_WP: is it working otherwise? |
| 20:10.36 | Nyle | tarzeau: jeje. upi |
| 20:10.37 | tarzeau | vin`: krum.ethz.ch one? |
| 20:10.40 | Nyle | hmm |
| 20:10.41 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, how do I find out if it works? |
| 20:10.44 | HardDisk_WP | DawnLight, yes |
| 20:10.50 | Nyle | I mean hehe you are still playing it |
| 20:10.52 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: google |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: read the driver docs |
| 20:10.55 | tarzeau | vin`: http://codespeak.net:8050/ |
| 20:11.02 | tarzeau | Nyle: we're 3 dragons already |
| 20:11.22 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, it's ndiswrapper |
| 20:11.25 | DawnLight | HardDisk_WP: madwifi can do that. i know cause i have one and i don't know about others |
| 20:11.35 | HardDisk_WP | DawnLight, madwifi=atheros? |
| 20:11.40 | DawnLight | HardDisk_WP: right |
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| 20:12.15 | jodok_ | hi, after doing an upgrade - how can i determine if i need to reboot? |
| 20:12.17 | DawnLight | HardDisk_WP: i'd assume you'd have to check ndiswrapper docs |
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| 20:12.42 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: NFC .. you could ask #ndiswrapper |
| 20:12.50 | jodok_ | to be more specific - i upgraded xen-utils (DSA) - now i'm unsure if i really need to reboot... |
| 20:12.52 | vin` | tarzeau: are you reading bub-n-bros? |
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| 20:13.03 | DawnLight | HardDisk_WP: anything you do has to be supported by both ndiswrapper and the windows driver |
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| 20:13.46 | HardDisk_WP | OK |
| 20:13.56 | tarzeau | vin`: yes |
| 20:13.59 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: ndiswrapper definitely can't work as an AP |
| 20:14.07 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
| 20:14.20 | wols_ | what chipset is it HardDisk_WP? |
| 20:14.24 | DawnLight | !reboot @ jodok_ |
| 20:14.51 | jodok_ | DawnLight: ! == not? |
| 20:14.51 | DawnLight | whats the syntax for that? |
| 20:15.05 | DawnLight | !reboot |
| 20:15.05 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
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| 20:15.23 | jodok_ | :) |
| 20:15.27 | jodok_ | thanks DawnLight |
| 20:15.44 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, some SIS |
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| 20:15.49 | HardDisk_WP | sis163u, i think |
| 20:15.51 | Nyle | !qotd2 |
| 20:15.51 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 20:16.13 | Nyle | what the fuck? |
| 20:16.21 | jodok_ | !chumps |
| 20:16.25 | HardDisk_WP | !lol |
| 20:16.25 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:16.29 | HardDisk_WP | !aol |
| 20:16.30 | dpkg | it has been said that aol is America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet. |
| 20:16.32 | HardDisk_WP | xD |
| 20:16.37 | Nyle | !abuse |
| 20:16.37 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 20:18.00 | snowbird | is lenny stable |
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| 20:18.05 | abrotman | snowbird: no .. |
| 20:18.09 | snowbird | ok |
| 20:18.09 | abrotman | ARGH |
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| 20:18.24 | dimir | !curse |
| 20:18.24 | dpkg | i guess swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker, or if you don't want to see it, read http://f0rked.com/public/irssi-docs/help-full.html#IGNORE (for irssi) |
| 20:18.25 | snowbird | abortman fine i got camara to try some day |
| 20:18.42 | abrotman | snowbird: i don't want to see your face on my screen |
| 20:18.52 | snowbird | not for that |
| 20:19.08 | snowbird | pics of outdoors from lake not face shots |
| 20:19.19 | snowbird | like moose elk etc |
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| 20:19.51 | ameyer | that sounds dirty |
| 20:19.54 | snowbird | wouldn't give face shot out |
| 20:20.23 | DawnLight | what the shizz are you talking abut? |
| 20:20.30 | null____ | I love it when dist-upgrade breaks X and networking. |
| 20:20.39 | Nyle | snowbird: hi |
| 20:20.43 | stew | null____: you'll love debian unstable then |
| 20:21.05 | null____ | How unstable is it? |
| 20:21.27 | stew | null____: its changes twice daily |
| 20:21.38 | Nyle | thats as unstable as it gets |
| 20:21.47 | Nyle | stew: at what times ? |
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| 20:22.00 | Nyle | im guessing it has regular intervals? |
| 20:22.25 | abrotman | stew: i'm telling mrs stew! |
| 20:22.30 | null____ | A wireless keyboard is so useful. I'm reclined. |
| 20:22.39 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone know if any distro supports nvidia mcp68pv? |
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| 20:22.59 | stew | Nyle: http://people.debian.org/~joerg/dinstall.html |
| 20:23.24 | Gnu_Raiz | I just tried a lenny install, and get kernel panics, and unknown devices. Then I tried ubuntu with the same results. |
| 20:23.31 | Nyle | thanks |
| 20:23.33 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: does the kernel support it? |
| 20:23.50 | Gnu_Raiz | Couldn't find a yes or a no, I doubt it does. |
| 20:23.54 | snowbird | nyle do i know you? |
| 20:23.56 | HardDisk_WP | what is the Git repository of the 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 20:23.58 | abrotman | !lkml |
| 20:23.58 | dpkg | i heard lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 20:24.04 | Gnu_Raiz | doing a quick google search didn't come up with much. |
| 20:24.16 | HardDisk_WP | i don't really know what of the dozens of repos at git.kernel.org it is^^ |
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| 20:24.44 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: don't ask us .. debian gives you kernels |
| 20:24.49 | Gnu_Raiz | I want to install the distro on a sata HD, which I believe is a controller by nvidia. |
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| 20:25.03 | Nyle | snowbird: yes you do |
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| 20:25.12 | abrotman | does it have a legacy mode ? |
| 20:25.15 | DawnLight | Gnu_Raiz: try the time-travelix distro |
| 20:25.15 | Nyle | snowbird: I am stoned |
| 20:25.20 | snowbird | ahh cool |
| 20:25.27 | snowbird | thought soo |
| 20:25.29 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: ahci is supported by kernels. shouldn't be any problem |
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| 20:25.34 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: have you tried a kmuto installer |
| 20:25.35 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, but no kernels with support for my brand-new intel hda soundchip |
| 20:25.38 | wols_ | !tell Gnu_Raiz about kmuto |
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| 20:25.42 | HardDisk_WP | that is the problem |
| 20:25.58 | snowbird | nyle gt 5 mp camfor camping |
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| 20:26.03 | abrotman | jesus |
| 20:26.11 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ask ##kernel |
| 20:26.18 | HardDisk_WP | k |
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| 20:27.00 | tokyoeye | HardDisk_WP, what's the name of the chipset? |
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| 20:27.09 | XLV | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.16 | HardDisk_WP | tokyoeye, sis163u |
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| 20:28.15 | tokyoeye | HardDisk_WP, sorry can't help you there. If it's only the chipset for the soundchip you might want to take a look at the alsa cvs though. |
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| 20:28.40 | HardDisk_WP | doesn't work either, infact alsa stuff mixed up my system... |
| 20:29.34 | foutrelis | Hello. Do you know which bot software powers dpkg ? |
| 20:29.48 | tokyoeye | HardDisk_WP, did you check the also docs? their updates are usually very ok |
| 20:29.53 | fengor | bloot bot afaik? |
| 20:30.17 | stew | foutrelis: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 20:30.23 | sokuban | When I try to use the `X' command to test if X is working, I get this error Fatal server error: |
| 20:30.26 | sokuban | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 20:30.36 | foutrelis | thank you fengor and stew :) |
| 20:30.49 | \amethyst | !fixed > sokuban |
| 20:30.54 | stew | sokuban: aptitude insatll xorg |
| 20:31.07 | sokuban | stew: I feel like a really big idiot >_< |
| 20:31.15 | sokuban | I thought xserver-xorg was the package I wanted |
| 20:32.03 | DustyDingo | hm, can rtorrent download single files too? |
| 20:32.07 | stew | sokuban: xserver-xorg is just the server nothing more, no drivers, nothing. xorg is EVERYTHING including fonts all the drivers (possibly more than you want, but will get things working) |
| 20:32.17 | Gnu_Raiz | checked the site kmuto, and did not see my board listed :( |
| 20:32.20 | DawnLight | DustyBin: wget |
| 20:32.36 | DustyDingo | DawnLight: i mean single files from a torrent |
| 20:32.44 | Gnu_Raiz | msi board ms-7349 |
| 20:32.45 | sokuban | stew: Oh, I see. So it is like a meta package with xserver-xorg in it? |
| 20:32.52 | stew | sokuban: correct |
| 20:33.00 | sokuban | stew: Thanks |
| 20:33.04 | DawnLight | DustyDingo: oh although i use that i don't know |
| 20:33.06 | Gnu_Raiz | Nvidia based K9NGM3 |
| 20:33.16 | Gnu_Raiz | all I want is the sata ports to work. |
| 20:33.22 | abrotman | legacy mode |
| 20:33.42 | DawnLight | DustyDingo: ktorrent |
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| 20:33.51 | DustyDingo | wouldn't be hard to implement, so can't understand why rtorrent doesn't support it yet |
| 20:34.05 | stew | DustyDingo: i'm sure a patch would be welcom |
| 20:34.13 | sokuban | stew: While I'm at it, is it too hard to install the Nvidia drivers? (might be hard with debian's ideals) I have a really old card, if that helps |
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| 20:34.17 | Gnu_Raiz | also if I use a livecd or a rescue disk they do not see the sata ports. |
| 20:34.24 | stew | sokuban: don't ask me |
| 20:34.24 | Coweater | rtorrent does file priority, not exactly the same, but you can get the same effect |
| 20:34.42 | sokuban | stew: ok |
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| 20:36.04 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: have you _tried_ the installer? if not: what was the latest kernel you did try? |
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| 20:36.27 | wols_ | and: what is the PCI ID of your SATA controller? |
| 20:36.57 | DustyDingo | Coweater: do you got any reosurces for that or are you willing to tell me how? |
| 20:37.17 | rockets | anybody here know lftp? |
| 20:37.58 | wols_ | rockets: ask a real question |
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| 20:38.13 | rockets | wols_, im trying to do a reverse mirror with lftp and i cant make it work |
| 20:38.33 | rockets | keeps saying unkown command 'mirror -R /foo/bar /bar/foo' |
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| 20:40.38 | DustyDingo | Coweater: ah, i suppose 'off' means the chunks of this file are never requested, 'high' high prio and '' normal priority? |
| 20:41.02 | Coweater | DustyDingo: select the torrent, press right cursor key, select file list, press right cursor key, hit space to toggle |
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| 20:41.06 | Coweater | yeah |
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| 20:43.17 | DustyDingo | Coweater: actually, this feature is implementd very nicely by rtorrent, if it will work as i expect |
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| 20:44.42 | Gnu_Raiz | I tried two installers, the debian netinstall lenny, and a ubuntu amd64 mini iso. |
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| 20:45.10 | DawnLight | what do i need to make iceweasel see the cups network printers? |
| 20:45.25 | Gnu_Raiz | the weird part is I can partition the drive, and install the software, but grub doesn't like it much. I have to remap the drives, then I get a kernel panic. |
| 20:45.32 | Gnu_Raiz | happens in both distro's |
| 20:45.50 | pickcoder | Gnu_Raiz: set the controller to AHCI mode in BIOS |
| 20:45.57 | emss | join #stumpwm |
| 20:46.16 | Gnu_Raiz | Ok I will try that, I don't know if I have that option, but will try. |
| 20:46.21 | pickcoder | I don't think RAID mode is supported yet on nv chipsets. I could be wrong though, I haven't checked lately. |
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| 20:46.23 | Gnu_Raiz | any other suggestions. |
| 20:46.34 | wols_ | if you can partition you can see the sata drives just fine from linux. so your problem is not liunx but grub |
| 20:46.47 | wols_ | pickcoder: who cares. it's fakeraid anways |
| 20:46.49 | Gnu_Raiz | I do have raid options turned off, in the bios but I did not look close enough. |
| 20:46.54 | pickcoder | wols_: oh.. I missed that tidbit |
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| 20:47.08 | wols_ | pickcoder: he only said it now. not the first hour |
| 20:47.13 | Gnu_Raiz | It is only a single sata hd. |
| 20:47.16 | wols_ | always saying how the kernel wouldn't work |
| 20:47.30 | DustyDingo | DawnLight: what do you mean? |
| 20:47.43 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: if you don't do a proper error description no one can help you |
| 20:47.45 | Gnu_Raiz | if worse came to worse I could swap windows |
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| 20:48.23 | Gnu_Raiz | but I like my Linux on big driver, 80 gb verse 160 gbs. |
| 20:48.38 | DawnLight | DustyDingo: iceweasel should print using a cups public printer that is on another box |
| 20:48.51 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: that's still not a problem description |
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| 20:49.15 | Gnu_Raiz | That was a problem resolution. |
| 20:49.27 | Gnu_Raiz | but I don't want windows to have the bigger drive. |
| 20:49.34 | wols_ | if you don't want to tell us about your problem: suit yourself |
| 20:49.45 | Gnu_Raiz | besides I gave you all the information already. |
| 20:50.07 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 20:50.14 | DawnLight | where |
| 20:50.26 | streuner | !moo |
| 20:50.26 | Gnu_Raiz | I asked if the debian installer supports the nvidia mcp68pv chipset |
| 20:50.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 20:50.46 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: it does. since you can partition |
| 20:50.50 | pickcoder | moo? |
| 20:50.50 | Gnu_Raiz | even gave my motherboard description. |
| 20:51.07 | loXx | DawnLight: do other applications print via cups properly? |
| 20:51.09 | Gnu_Raiz | Then why can't I boot without getting a kernel panic. |
| 20:51.19 | streuner | pickcoder: aptitude moo ;-) |
| 20:51.26 | pickcoder | I've seen it |
| 20:51.29 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: you gave a totally wrong error description saying the kernel won't recognize your sata ports but at the same time you say "the weird part is I can partition the drive, and install the software" |
| 20:51.39 | wols_ | so either one of the statements you said was wrong. which one? |
| 20:51.50 | DawnLight | loXx: don't have any others on that box |
| 20:51.59 | wols_ | and it took you about an hour before you said that it was grub which errored, not the kernel |
| 20:52.19 | wols_ | and when one wants a proper error description you don't want to give one. fine, your choice. HAND |
| 20:52.25 | loXx | DawnLight: configured the printer on the client box? |
| 20:52.39 | jelly | hm, I don't see a File -> Restart button in iceweasel and I think it's there in Firefox on Windows |
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| 20:53.02 | DawnLight | loXx: i need to configure the printer on the client box?? |
| 20:53.50 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: so the installer sees the drive, and installs to the drive, but afterwards, you cannot boot from the drive, is that correct? |
| 20:54.15 | Gnu_Raiz | stew: Yes that is basically it. |
| 20:54.31 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: what happens when you boot, do you get an error message? |
| 20:54.57 | Gnu_Raiz | grub can not see the device, I have to remap in grub. |
| 20:55.01 | loXx | DawnLight: "touch /etc/cups/client.conf" and put there the ip of the cups-server like "ServerName 172.20.22.74" |
| 20:55.15 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: and if you remap, then what? it works? |
| 20:55.17 | Gnu_Raiz | then I use the kernel option then use boot. |
| 20:55.22 | Gnu_Raiz | then it kernel panics. |
| 20:55.37 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: how exactly do you remap it? |
| 20:55.44 | DawnLight | oh why didn't i think to check the client docs... silly me. thanks loXx |
| 20:55.49 | Gnu_Raiz | saying something about unknown device, I can not get the exact message as it hard locks, and I have to reboot. |
| 20:56.22 | Gnu_Raiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.42 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: what is the root= line on your kernel command line? |
| 20:56.56 | Gnu_Raiz | then kernel /boot/vmlinux root=/dev/sda1 |
| 20:57.03 | loXx | DawnLight: no problem |
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| 20:57.19 | Gnu_Raiz | I have even left off the root device give's me the same error. |
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| 20:57.36 | zich1 | How do i install the nvidia graphics drivers via the debian packages? |
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| 20:57.48 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: it says /dev/sda1 before you change anything? or did you change that when you remapped? |
| 20:57.50 | wols_ | !tell zich1 about nvidia |
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| 20:58.08 | Gnu_Raiz | that was after it was remaped. |
| 20:58.28 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: and it bahaves the same way no matter what you have in the root=... ? |
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| 20:59.14 | stew | its really too bad that d-i doesn't use uuid or labels by default yet |
| 20:59.32 | zich1 | wols_: Thank you |
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| 21:00.05 | Gnu_Raiz | Yes |
| 21:00.22 | Gnu_Raiz | stew: does the same in ubuntu as well. |
| 21:00.27 | guillaume1 | is there bug report for kino and 2.6.22-2 firewire_ohci module open ? I can't find an howto in order to reinstall old raw1394 driver under lenny. |
| 21:01.07 | Gnu_Raiz | stew: I have to remap, or I can't even get that far. |
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| 21:01.19 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: what have you tried for root= so far? and did you ever edit your fstab too? |
| 21:01.33 | stew | there is no point in bothering with fstab yet |
| 21:01.39 | stew | well |
| 21:01.41 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: where is your grub installed? |
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| 21:02.34 | Gnu_Raiz | grub is installed in /boot which is with /root on it's own partition. |
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| 21:02.52 | Gnu_Raiz | I don't have /boot partition. |
| 21:02.58 | Gnu_Raiz | it is ext3 if that matters. |
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| 21:03.01 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: well, i'd recommend that you boot a livecd, or the installer, then mount your, --bind mount /dev then chroot into your install, mount /boot ; mount /proc ; mount /sys ; then fix your /boot/grub/device.map if it needs to be fixed. |
| 21:03.11 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: then fix the # groot= line in menu.lst |
| 21:03.50 | Gnu_Raiz | I might try the bios, option first. |
| 21:04.04 | maxomatic | can debian load music onto the new cell phones w/ mp3 (chocolate, juke, razr, etc)? |
| 21:04.05 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: then i'd recommend changing the # kopt= line (the one with root=) to refer to a uuid instead of a device, like "root=UUID=0a03020c..." you can find out the uuid by looking in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 21:04.12 | Gnu_Raiz | but I don't know if fixing the device.map will help with the kernel panic. |
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| 21:04.23 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: then run "update-grub" ; then fix /etc/fstab to match by referring to uuids instead of device names |
| 21:04.36 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: you need to fix root= to fix the kernel panic |
| 21:05.01 | ErichDotzer | where could i start looking for the source of my problem that SWF seems to be disabled in firefox all of a sudden? |
| 21:05.11 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: about:plugins |
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| 21:05.25 | Gnu_Raiz | Ok that does make some sense. |
| 21:05.37 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: after you do all of that, i'd rebuild your initrd with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version matches the directory name in /lib/modules, probably 2.6.18-5-386 or similar |
| 21:06.00 | guillaume1 | ErichDotzer: check if you still have the plugin in the page about:plugins |
| 21:06.20 | ErichDotzer | the plugin is enabled but the page with SWF says "this is not displayed because it might trigger a bug" or something like that |
| 21:06.51 | ErichDotzer | and i cant download anything via youtube-dl also |
| 21:06.53 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: the kernel panic is that it can't find your root partition, that is either becuase you are telling it the wrong thing in root= (and by using a uuid we should always be saying the correct thing) or that it can't find your root partition becuase something is missing from your inintrd (which rebuilding it would hopfully help) |
| 21:07.04 | guillaume1 | ErichDotzer: what's the version of your flash plugin ? |
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| 21:07.42 | ErichDotzer | flashplayer-mozilla 9.0.48.0-0.2 |
| 21:07.44 | Gnu_Raiz | stew: Thanks, any other suggestion I should try! |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: does flash work at adobe.com ? |
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| 21:08.02 | ErichDotzer | checking, hold on |
| 21:08.25 | stew | Gnu_Raiz: wasn't that enough of a suggestion? :) |
| 21:08.35 | ErichDotzer | ah, it says i should install the latest flash player |
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| 21:10.51 | wols_ | ErichDotzer: for etch your need a backport |
| 21:11.17 | ErichDotzer | wols_: ok thanks |
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| 21:14.20 | Spiritus55 | I need the codec for swf, anyone know what package it's in? |
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| 21:15.42 | xp_prg | hi all I am trying to install wireshark and I get this message: wireshark: Depends: libportaudio2 (>= 19+cvs20060311-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:15.48 | xp_prg | any ideas how I can solve this? |
| 21:16.08 | irule | I try to install software and see error messages including 403 Forbidden [IP: 64.50.236.52 80 so, what gives? |
| 21:16.28 | Spiritus55 | I need the codec for swf, anyone know what package it's in? |
| 21:16.54 | tt | Is there some way to uninstall the dependencies that I recently installed when running build-dep ? |
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| 21:17.22 | tt | (execpt uninstalling package by package) |
| 21:17.38 | jelly | irule: sounds like the mirror you're using is slightly broken at this time and doesn't give you permission to access it from your current location |
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| 21:18.20 | militant | exit |
| 21:18.22 | militant | err |
| 21:18.27 | irule | kernel.org, http.us.debian.org and security.debian.org all complain :S |
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| 21:20.04 | ManuP | if i plug an external HD or usb-stick to my pc, it is shown on the Desktop. How can i tell etch to show me the new device with a special Name and not "74.5 GB Drive"? |
| 21:20.11 | ErichDotzer | thanks guys, the backport fixed it :) |
| 21:20.34 | guillaume1 | I can find only this info on kino and 2.6.22-2 kernel firewire driver :http://marc.info/?l=linux1394-user&m=118278917826890&w=2. How to apply this to lenny ? |
| 21:20.38 | jelly | irule_: you get 403 on ips for any/all the mirrors configured? |
| 21:21.48 | jelly | irule: maybe you're using a http proxy that doesn't let you out for some reason. |
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| 21:22.32 | rockets | ok |
| 21:22.48 | rockets | im trying to ftp something here. ive chmod -R the directory im trying to send to |
| 21:22.49 | zicho | What repositories do i need to add to find nvida-kernel, nvidia-glx and such? I have googled but i cant seem to find it |
| 21:22.54 | rockets | and yet i always get permission denied |
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| 21:23.03 | ManuP | how do i rename the displayed name of a mounted device? |
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| 21:23.12 | ManuP | isnt there a Lable-tag? |
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| 21:23.20 | jelly | ManuP: I'm using xfce as my desktop, and it shows the label of a partition if it's present. |
| 21:23.25 | ManuP | s/Lable/Label |
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| 21:23.45 | jelly | ManuP: which filesystem do you have on the disk? |
| 21:23.52 | ManuP | jelly, vfat |
| 21:24.15 | irule_ | jelly thanks I solved it, I had a routing error :S |
| 21:24.25 | ManuP | jelly, cant i specify how to display the volume in /etc/fstab? |
| 21:24.34 | jelly | irule_: ok. what does :S mean? |
| 21:25.22 | jelly | ManuP: fstab has nothing to do with what nautilus shows, afaik :-| (I'm assuming you're using gnome) |
| 21:25.37 | ManuP | jelly, jap, using gnome |
| 21:26.04 | irule_ | jelly according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon :-S or :S means being confused |
| 21:26.40 | jelly | ManuP: you can label the partition in windows, or if you don't have any data on it, you can reformat it with mkfs.vfat and specify the label then |
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| 21:27.14 | ManuP | oh, lol in shool we had to interpred texts, but maybe in ten years the children have to interpret smileys ;P |
| 21:28.00 | ManuP | jelly, so there is no way i can change the displayed name other than by renaming the partition itself? |
| 21:28.12 | jelly | ManuP: I have no idea |
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| 21:29.02 | zicho | What repositories do i need to add to find nvida-kernel, nvidia-glx and such? I have googled but i cant seem to find it |
| 21:29.20 | sam55 | zicho: which version of Debian? |
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| 21:29.27 | verdedeverguenza | http://verdesdeverguenza.blogspot.com/ |
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| 21:29.43 | zicho | sam55: I use the testing branch |
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| 21:30.07 | ManuP | jelly, oh.. okay |
| 21:30.12 | ManuP | then it is so. |
| 21:30.38 | sam55 | zicho: I don't think nvidia is there for the current Testing kernel. I am running without nvidi for a few months now. Something to do with some parameters in the current testing kernel. |
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| 21:31.16 | zicho | Hm okay. Screw it then. I'll change back to my other graphics card so i can use the free ati-drivers. |
| 21:31.21 | h3sp4wn | sam55: what does uname -r say |
| 21:31.22 | ManuP | what happens if i do dist-upgrade? aptitude recommends to do so. |
| 21:31.24 | sam55 | zicho: I read somepalce there is a hack to do this. Other option is to pull those packages (and new kernel I think) from Unstable. Finally, you can alwasy wait for nvidia appear in testing. |
| 21:31.35 | zicho | h3sp4wn: Shows your kernel |
| 21:31.51 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: it gives the current kerne's version. Try 'man uname' for details. |
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| 21:32.00 | Spiritus55 | How do you unpack a .jar? |
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| 21:32.22 | sam55 | jar -x perhaps? |
| 21:32.23 | jelly | ManuP: really, there might a way but I'm not a Gnome user so I don't know where does it get the data from (I'm guessing hal like xfce, but...) |
| 21:32.25 | zicho | sam55: I guess, but I dont wanna mess around with it, i'll just use my old graphics card. I have never gotten the NVidia driver to work well... |
| 21:32.29 | stew | Spiritus55: unzip foo.jar |
| 21:32.34 | Spiritus55 | k |
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| 21:32.54 | sam55 | zicho: for me it was working quite well, till something happened with the new kernel. I am going to wait it out. |
| 21:33.08 | ManuP | yeah, i'm listening jelly |
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| 21:33.35 | h3sp4wn | sam55: I was asking to tell you whether the current testing kernel supports nvidia properly |
| 21:33.55 | zicho | sam55: I gotten them to work, though my computer froze now and then. Not acceptable. And I much rather use the free ati-drivers, since i only want to play Quake 3 and it works fine with them. |
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| 21:34.17 | h3sp4wn | sam55: If its 22-1 then you can just build the module with m-a and it will work fine |
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| 21:34.30 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: hmm .. will try. |
| 21:34.48 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: nope, mine is 21-2. |
| 21:34.53 | Spiritus55 | stew, you know how to uncompress a .lzm file? |
| 21:35.05 | h3sp4wn | !info linux-image-2.6 testing |
| 21:35.07 | dutche- | does anybody knows a program that let me cut an mp3 files and export it to mp3 files |
| 21:35.18 | zicho | dutche-: Try audacity. |
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| 21:35.35 | dutche- | zicho, tnx |
| 21:35.38 | jelly | ManuP: try asking the gnome guys |
| 21:35.41 | zicho | no problems |
| 21:35.51 | Spiritus55 | you guys how to uncompress a .lzm file? |
| 21:35.53 | h3sp4wn | !info linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 testing |
| 21:35.56 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.22-2-686: (Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 17824 kB, Installed size: 51708 kB |
| 21:36.00 | Spiritus55 | you guys know* how to uncompress a .lzm file? |
| 21:36.05 | ManuP | yap, thanks jelly |
| 21:36.21 | h3sp4wn | sam55: Just install that kernel its in testing now (you may have to backport nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid) |
| 21:36.25 | Tramp | dutche-: mp3splt |
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| 21:40.08 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: oh, thanks for the info. I think I will do this tonight :) |
| 21:40.47 | sam55 | why are you using LastName, FirstName format. You should be using just Firstname Lastname and Firstname2 Lastname2 and ... |
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| 21:41.53 | sam55 | sorry for that message .. mixing up latex group here. |
| 21:41.54 | h3sp4wn | sam55: If you keep the meta package installed for the kernel then you won't end up in this situation again (eg - linux-image-686 etc) |
| 21:42.14 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: oh, so that is the reason I never got notifications for the new kernel! |
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| 21:44.03 | helo | if rmmod eth1394; rmmod 8139too; modprobe 8139too; dhclient eth0; works, should i use it? |
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| 21:44.22 | wols_ | helo: should use what? |
| 21:44.33 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: does that linux image package remove earlier versions when a new one is installed? |
| 21:45.04 | h3sp4wn | sam55: I don't think it does (at least with aptitude) |
| 21:45.45 | sam55 | h3sp4wn: yup, using aptitude here. Okay. Now that you mention it, I think i used that pacakge quitea while ago, and something happened donw the road and just install the new version and removed the metapackage. |
| 21:45.54 | sam55 | But I am going to install that meta pakcage right away :) |
| 21:45.56 | sam55 | thanks. |
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| 21:46.34 | h3sp4wn | sam55: sometimes the meta package is the last thing that changes |
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| 21:47.59 | guillaume1 | Do I have to biuld my own kernel to run raw1394 with lenny ? |
| 21:48.17 | wols_ | helo: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 21:48.36 | sam55 | quillaume1: i dont' think so. I have used this module in testing quite a while ago with the default kernel. |
| 21:49.15 | guillaume1 | sam55: No more now, there no raw1394 module in 2.6.22-2 branch |
| 21:49.36 | Rounin | Anyone have an ETA on 2.6.23 in unstable? |
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| 21:49.42 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 21:49.53 | wols_ | !tell Rounin about WIR |
| 21:50.07 | Nazcafan | What is the gnome replacement for lineakd ? |
| 21:50.12 | Rounin | Well, that was helpful... |
| 21:50.32 | wols_ | Rounin: you won't get a better answer |
| 21:50.34 | Nazcafan | I realised that my extra keys worked even without lineakd |
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| 21:51.38 | sam55 | guillaume1: hmm .. interesting. So what replaces it? |
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| 21:52.30 | sam55 | guillaume1: but in my kernle's config, this appears; CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=m |
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| 21:52.36 | guillaume1 | sam55: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/08/msg00541.html |
| 21:52.47 | sam55 | in kernel: 2.6.21-2-686, testing. |
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| 21:53.33 | sam55 | guillaume1: oh crap. I use dvgrab on and off. Looks like i need to stick to 6.21 :( |
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| 21:55.48 | guillaume1 | sam55: yes, it was working too for me before upgrade to 2.6.22-2 kernel |
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| 21:57.18 | sam55 | guillaume1: take a look at this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg373510.html |
| 21:57.48 | osmosis | how can I discover what compilation flags a pkg was created with ? |
| 21:58.03 | streuner | source |
| 21:58.07 | streuner | debian/rules |
| 21:58.09 | dkr | osmosis: look at the source package |
| 21:58.33 | osmosis | dkr: where would I find the source package ? |
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| 22:00.13 | dkr | osmosis: apt-get source |
| 22:00.21 | guillaume1 | I don't see anywhere a way to install raw1394 driver with this new kernel on debian. I had the module firewire_ohci up and running too, but I read on the net that I need a raw1394 juju version. |
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| 22:01.13 | sam55 | guillaume1: but doesn't you capture work just as it is in this kernel? |
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| 22:03.09 | guillaume1 | sam55: I don't use dvgrab until now, wanna use kino. An d dvgrab return : raw1394 - failed to get handle: No such file or directory. |
| 22:03.38 | sam55 | kino has an option where you tell it which driver you use. Which 1394 drivers you have available now? |
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| 22:03.48 | sam55 | perhaps you can try with a different one? |
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| 22:04.22 | guillaume1 | sam55: where's this option ? |
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| 22:04.50 | sam55 | let me fire up kino and let me see. |
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| 22:05.36 | null___ | Question: I upgraded to Unstable without uninstallng Envy/NVIDIA drivers first, now Envy says my OS isn't supported. |
| 22:05.47 | sam55 | guillaume1: crap. I think I spoke too soon. |
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| 22:06.06 | sam55 | That option is grayed out becuaseit can't find the raw1394 driver. So it is lookin gfor that driver specificallly i think. |
| 22:07.02 | guillaume1 | sam55: :) I really need the raw1394 juju version so |
| 22:07.31 | sam55 | guillaume1: looks liek you need to install an earlier version of the kernel then. Don't see any other except to compile your own |
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| 22:07.39 | h3sp4wn | null___: unstable has the latest nvidia drivers anyway |
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| 22:07.54 | h3sp4wn | null___: just get rid of that crap and just build the kernel module and install nvidia-glx |
| 22:07.57 | null___ | h3sp4wn: My X is broken |
| 22:08.08 | pickcoder | guillaume1; what happens when you modprobe raw1394 |
| 22:08.21 | null___ | h3sp4wn: Tutorial link? |
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| 22:08.35 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia post etch |
| 22:08.41 | g3brown | I just build a file server and will be installing the stable release of Debian. I'm using a 64bit xeon. Should I used the amd64 install or just the i386? |
| 22:09.02 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 22:09.02 | dpkg | well, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:09.33 | guillaume1 | pickcoder: Fatal error |
| 22:09.44 | ameyer | g3brown: if it's just a fileserver, AMD64 |
| 22:10.00 | ameyer | g3brown: most of the issues with AMD64 are desktop-related |
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| 22:10.40 | g3brown | ameyer: Yeah, SMB server and maybe apache |
| 22:11.25 | ameyer | I think amd64 should work for that, it's mostly non-free crap where it's an issue |
| 22:11.29 | guillaume1 | g3brown: amd64 |
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| 22:11.50 | pickcoder | guillaume1: can you do a modinfo on raw1394.ko for the kernel version you're running |
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| 22:13.32 | g3brown | amd64 it is then. thanks guys |
| 22:13.56 | guillaume1 | pickcoder: uname -a : Linux dell-xps 2.6.22-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 23:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux / locate raw1394.ko : no reply |
| 22:14.37 | pickcoder | it's in 2.6.18 |
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| 22:14.54 | pickcoder | modinfo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394/ko |
| 22:14.57 | guillaume1 | pickcoder: I'm under testing |
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| 22:16.29 | pickcoder | it's not there anymore |
| 22:16.29 | null___ | What's the command to restart X? |
| 22:16.45 | sam55 | null___: press CTRL+ALT+BKSPC |
| 22:16.50 | mainer | ctrl+alt+backspace |
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| 22:17.21 | pickcoder | ieee1394 looks to be firewire now |
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| 22:17.23 | null___ | Nope, X isn't running, I need to start it from shell, but it's not anywhere in /etc/init.d? |
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| 22:17.44 | mainer | as root init 5 |
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| 22:18.00 | pickcoder | guillaume1: you're on your own with that. I don't use firewire, so I dunno if there is a work-around apart from dropping back a kernel |
| 22:18.54 | pickcoder | I don't see a kernel less than 2.6.22 for lenny, though |
| 22:19.01 | sam55 | null___ : /etc/init.d/gdm restart, if you have gdm. s/gdm/withyourdisplaymanager/ |
| 22:19.36 | guillaume1 | pickcoder: I think too, I wish just avoiding to use handmade kernel for lenny |
| 22:19.44 | pickcoder | guillaume1: you can try compiling the raw1394 module |
| 22:19.52 | pickcoder | you don't necc need a handmade kernel |
| 22:19.54 | mainer | or startx if in runlevel 5 |
| 22:19.58 | sam55 | pickcoder: yes, there are older version in Testing. |
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| 22:20.11 | pickcoder | sam55: a search on packages didn't show any |
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| 22:20.41 | mainer | use an etch kernel,2.6.18? |
| 22:20.44 | sam55 | I get this as an example: linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 22:20.46 | pickcoder | ah.. there they are |
| 22:20.48 | guillaume1 | sam55: pickcoder : I heard that downgrade can't be done with aptitude, is that true ? |
| 22:20.58 | pickcoder | !downgrade |
| 22:20.59 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 22:21.13 | pickcoder | try booting an older kernel with raw1394 |
| 22:21.25 | sam55 | pickcoder: here, take a look: http://pastebin.com/d359db561 |
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| 22:21.47 | guillaume1 | http://pastebin.com/d359db561 x aunes |
| 22:22.02 | guillaume1 | oups :) eterm copy sory |
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| 22:23.33 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 22:25.07 | guillaume1 | sam55: under testing there's only 2.6.21 and 2.6.22 amd64 kernel image |
| 22:25.22 | guillaume1 | in my repository |
| 22:25.47 | sam55 | hmm .. |
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| 22:26.27 | sam55 | yeah, looks like htat. Just install 6.21 then. You should get raw1394. |
| 22:27.32 | eth01 | http://pastie.caboo.se/111368 |
| 22:27.36 | eth01 | ^^, wtf.. |
| 22:28.08 | eth01 | apt-get is crap for installing things, IMHO. |
| 22:28.10 | guillaume1 | sam55: ok i'll downgrade |
| 22:28.46 | dondelelcaro | eth01: if you remove a configuration file, that's a perfectly valid configuration decision. |
| 22:28.56 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 22:28.56 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 22:29.10 | dondelelcaro | eth01: use the above with apache2.2-common or apache2-common |
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| 22:29.47 | eth01 | Package apache2-common is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:29.50 | jonkri | is there any way to increase the mic boost? i have capture levels at maximum and mic 80pc mic boost but the volume is still too low for skype... anyone know what i can do? i'm using snd-hda-intel module |
| 22:30.07 | karsten | jonkri: Get a mic pre-amp? |
| 22:30.37 | jonkri | karsten: well, i rather not. i have never needed that with the windows driver |
| 22:30.48 | eth01 | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 22:30.58 | jonkri | kersten: are you saying that is required? |
| 22:31.45 | dondelelcaro | eth01: so a2enmod auth_basic; or whatever. |
| 22:32.19 | karsten | jonkri: See if there's not an internal channel that Skype's using which needs to be boosted. |
| 22:32.19 | dondelelcaro | (or authz_default or whatever module gives the Allow/Deny stuff) |
| 22:32.20 | karsten | /dev/sda7 865G 104M 821G 1% /scratch |
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| 22:33.12 | jonkri | karsten: i get the options in skype to use hda intel (hw,intel,0) etc but they are all low |
| 22:33.20 | jonkri | karsten: can i boost them somehow outside of alsamixer? |
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| 22:35.41 | karsten | jonkri: alsamixer, aumix |
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| 22:35.53 | jonkri | karsten: aumix, will try that. thanks |
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| 22:36.36 | null____ | Question: Dist-upgraded to unstable, 22-2 kernel says "/dev/hda8 does not exist", "try root=/dev/sda8" and drops me to BusyBox. grub does not like "root=/dev/sda8". Can anyone help? |
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| 22:38.13 | mainer | null____: use sdx,y in /etc/fstab use hdx,y in grub |
| 22:38.18 | mainer | iirc |
| 22:38.30 | Tramp | null____: root= would be for the kernel-cmdline. for grub it would be something like (hd0,7) |
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| 22:40.23 | xypezza | ; /me waves! |
| 22:41.42 | null____ | Okay, I edited my /etc/fstab. Time to restart and hope for the best. |
| 22:41.48 | mainer | yes so root (hdx,y) then kernel line uses root=/dev/sdx,y ; /etc/fstab uses sdx,y |
| 22:42.00 | mainer | iirc |
| 22:42.47 | null____ | actually, i think grub starts at 0, while fstab starts at 1. because the root hda8 was listed in my grub sa hd0,7 |
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| 22:43.19 | mainer | yes hd0,7 = hda8 |
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| 22:43.59 | null____ | damn, i was going to reboot now, but Damn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta came on, and now I have to beat up my printer, brb |
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| 22:49.23 | fasta | Is there something to "undelete" a recent file on ext3? |
| 22:49.43 | jonkri | karsten: tried aumix, but i couldn't find a way to boost the signal |
| 22:49.57 | jonkri | karsten: any other idea of how i could go about to do this? |
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| 22:50.33 | FuzzplugJones | sorry for a potentially noob question, but is there a way to set up either file permissions or samba permissions so that a user can write to a directory (i.e. adding files) but not DELETE anything? |
| 22:51.38 | \amethyst | FuzzplugJones: you can make it so they can't delete *other* people's stuff |
| 22:52.17 | \amethyst | FuzzplugJones: err, rather, you can do that for "others", not for a particular user or group |
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| 22:52.29 | FuzzplugJones | ok just checking. thanks |
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| 22:53.48 | wols_ | fusquanto: ACLs should be able to do what you want |
| 22:54.04 | wols_ | !tell fasta about undelete |
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| 22:54.47 | Maliuta | someone should tell FuzzplugJones that write and delete are the same thing |
| 22:54.54 | fasta | wols_: yes, I figured. |
| 22:54.57 | Maliuta | if you can write to a file you can delete it |
| 22:56.23 | Guerin | Maliuta: not strictly true |
| 22:56.33 | Tramp | Maliuta: He talked about adding files to a directory, not modifying files |
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| 22:58.09 | timob | question, whats the best method of a virtual machine if i want to run X clients in it connecting to a X server running on the host OS, looking for good performance...? |
| 22:58.45 | h3sp4wn | timob: xen |
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| 22:59.16 | Guerin | eth01: don't message me |
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| 23:00.22 | timob | h3sp4wn: yeah where can i find more info on xen? wikipedia ok? |
| 23:00.56 | h3sp4wn | timob: Are you using etch ? (I think there is a reasonably good article on debian-administration.org about using it on etch) |
| 23:01.15 | eth01 | Guerin: when did I message you, heh. i'd rather not, tyvm. |
| 23:01.28 | eth01 | Guerin: don't _troll_ :) |
| 23:01.30 | h3sp4wn | timob: (That presumes the virtualised os is - solaris express, another linux or freebsd 7.0) |
| 23:01.58 | timob | h3sp4wn: no but any info is helpful, yeah the host and virtualised os will be Linux |
| 23:02.27 | h3sp4wn | timob: If you are using sid you are probably better off using the doc's on xen source |
| 23:02.48 | h3sp4wn | timob: afaik there is no xen kernel in sid at the moment at all for a dom0 |
| 23:03.14 | h3sp4wn | (the domU stuff using paravirtual ops was merged but you still need a domU) |
| 23:03.31 | timob | h3sp4wn: i am just planning at this stage, so maybe etch is the way to go |
| 23:04.03 | h3sp4wn | timob: You could use etch as the dom0 and whatever you want for the domU's |
| 23:04.28 | h3sp4wn | timob: (i.e one with sid if you want and more etch or whatever) |
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| 23:05.16 | timob | h3sp4wn: ok , what about using qemu ? |
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| 23:05.23 | h3sp4wn | timob: dog slow |
| 23:05.34 | h3sp4wn | timob: even with kqemu or kvm) |
| 23:06.34 | timob | ok, i ll have a read.... thanks |
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| 23:13.08 | oDesk | how i free memory on Etch ? |
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| 23:13.24 | oDesk | which command i should use on my VPS to free memory |
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| 23:14.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | free memory? |
| 23:14.43 | wols_ | oDesk: you cannot "free memory" |
| 23:15.05 | wols_ | you can stop a program, then the memory that program used gets freed |
| 23:15.26 | wols_ | however, on linux (and any other modern OS) there is no such thing as free memory. all currently unused memory is diskcache |
| 23:16.05 | oDesk | wols_: i'm running 30k loop and 100 into each =) and i want to free on each outer loop |
| 23:16.31 | wols_ | oDesk: ##C |
| 23:16.57 | oDesk | now even after i terminate the ruby script loop memory still in use |
| 23:17.12 | wols_ | I doubt that |
| 23:17.24 | wols_ | how do you figure it's in use? |
| 23:17.28 | wols_ | by what process? |
| 23:17.38 | oDesk | wols_: free |
| 23:17.53 | oDesk | Mem: 524288 517288 7000 |
| 23:18.01 | oDesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.19 | timob | look at the -/+ buffers/cache line |
| 23:18.23 | wols_ | I told you already: there never is any free memory except a little bit to satisfay mallocs |
| 23:18.40 | wols_ | all memory that's freed is automatically assigned to diskcache. always |
| 23:18.42 | oDesk | -/+ buffers/cache: 517292 6996 |
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| 23:19.49 | wols_ | and if some programm needs memory, it'S taken from the diskcache |
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| 23:20.26 | jrebelo | Am I on crack, or is the debian etch disc void of useful tools for recovery such as rsync or scp? |
| 23:20.38 | jrebelo | We are trying to revive a server, even just get data off of it which is not booting. |
| 23:20.40 | oDesk | wols_: um. using `ps aux | gerb *.rb` i can see the script.rb with PID, but when i try to kill the process i get no such process |
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| 23:20.58 | jrebelo | I can mount the partitions ok and I have network, but I can't get data off of it because the rescue mode on the etch disc has like NOTHING to use |
| 23:21.00 | nvz | jrebelo: you may be on crack |
| 23:21.03 | oDesk | wols_: using `ps aux | gerb *.rb` result in new PID |
| 23:21.05 | Arafangion | jrebelo: For revival purposes, I typically use either ubuntu or knoppix. |
| 23:21.06 | jrebelo | Any suggestions would be VERY appreciated |
| 23:21.11 | nvz | !mith jrebelo |
| 23:21.19 | nvz | heh thats gone too |
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| 23:21.37 | null___ | !dpkg post etch |
| 23:21.42 | wols_ | oDesk: what is "gerb"? |
| 23:21.42 | jrebelo | nvz: i have been googling for a while yet and cannot find any way to get more use out of this disk |
| 23:21.49 | nvz | jrebelo: you must be in busybox no? |
| 23:21.55 | jrebelo | we can get to it yes |
| 23:22.00 | jrebelo | right now we're booted to the rescue mode |
| 23:22.04 | jrebelo | mounted the sda1 etc |
| 23:22.09 | oDesk | wols_: sorry i mean grep |
| 23:22.10 | dalias | in rescue mode |
| 23:22.11 | zOap | If I would like to run gnome-terminal with mplayer in it, what should I type in the run dialog? gnome-terminal -? mplayer? |
| 23:22.13 | dalias | not "in busybox" |
| 23:22.25 | timob | jrebelo: chroot ? |
| 23:22.33 | wols_ | dalias: rescue mode uses busybox |
| 23:22.35 | jrebelo | timob: can't because the root partition is whacked |
| 23:22.38 | nvz | jrebelo: just boot the installer in regular mode and as soon as it comes up to select language go through that and the keyboard step then just drop into tty2 and mount your root partition and chroot to it |
| 23:22.41 | jrebelo | it's missing sbin and /etc etc |
| 23:22.43 | jrebelo | :( |
| 23:22.43 | dalias | the phrase "in busybox" makes no sense |
| 23:22.55 | dalias | busybox is not a state for the machine to be in |
| 23:23.01 | nvz | busybox is a shell with built in utils |
| 23:23.03 | tokyoeye | jrebelo, got any knoppix cd there? |
| 23:23.10 | wols_ | dalias: it does. the same way one says "in bash". busybox is a shell |
| 23:23.12 | dalias | it's a collection of implementations of the standard unix utilities |
| 23:23.14 | jrebelo | Not on hand but it sounds like that might be our only choice |
| 23:23.16 | nvz | so being "in busybox" sounds valid to me |
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| 23:23.20 | dalias | busybox is not a shell |
| 23:23.24 | AcE | hola |
| 23:23.25 | dalias | it includes several shells |
| 23:23.26 | jrebelo | nvz: yeah unfortunately cannot chroot into the root |
| 23:23.29 | jrebelo | it's not functional |
| 23:23.33 | dalias | also "in bash" makes no sense |
| 23:23.40 | dalias | bash is not a state of the machine |
| 23:23.41 | tokyoeye | jrebelo, try knoppix or fedora. it's what i use to fix debian machines..... |
| 23:23.47 | jrebelo | Does knoppix have a text mode rescue I can use tokyoeye ? |
| 23:23.49 | nvz | jrebelo: well either way booting the cd in regular mode by just pressing enter will get you in a better situation |
| 23:23.54 | jrebelo | we're doing this on a net kvm connection |
| 23:24.00 | dalias | "in single user mode" or "in an X session" makes sense |
| 23:24.01 | nvz | jrebelo: you can even run the base install off the cd first |
| 23:24.04 | dalias | "in bash" does not |
| 23:24.09 | nvz | jrebelo: which will put you in a situation to chroot |
| 23:24.12 | Arafangion | jrebelo: Yes. Knoppix is also a very impressive debian-based distro in its own right. |
| 23:24.14 | tokyoeye | jrebelo, you can boot runlevel 2 by entering 'knoppix 2' after the cd booted |
| 23:24.15 | wols_ | dalias: busybox and bash both give me a prompt. "in bash" makes a lot of sense |
| 23:24.19 | Tramp | oDesk: your script seems to respawn. Send them a sigstop first, then kill them. Then write a sane script. |
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| 23:24.30 | Arafangion | jrebelo: Useful for rescuing windows machines, too. ;) (Getting the data off, that is) |
| 23:24.39 | dalias | ash (one component of busybox) gives you the prompt |
| 23:24.57 | stiv2k | how can i see what commands gdm executes when i choose different sessions |
| 23:25.00 | wols_ | dalias: while I use them I run them and when I run something else it still runs in the background and I return to it again. makes a lot of sense |
| 23:25.05 | Arafangion | dalias: It is all the same binary, is it not? |
| 23:25.14 | nvz | stiv2k: do you want to make your own session? |
| 23:25.29 | nvz | stiv2k: the "default" session will read your ~/.xsession file |
| 23:25.29 | stiv2k | nvz: well i just want to see what one of the preset sessions is doing |
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| 23:25.38 | oDesk | Tramp: how i do sigstop? |
| 23:25.39 | karmatronic | hi |
| 23:25.45 | stiv2k | nvz: i dont have a .xsession |
| 23:25.49 | nvz | gnome-session, startkde, ..etc |
| 23:26.00 | karmatronic | can i assign a script to a keybinding ? |
| 23:26.03 | nvz | then the DEs session manager does everything else |
| 23:26.14 | stiv2k | nvz: but i use openbox! |
| 23:26.21 | nvz | then it just runs openbox |
| 23:26.26 | nvz | and you have no session manager |
| 23:26.27 | Tramp | oDesk: killall -19 (or -20, dunno which is the right one) |
| 23:26.45 | karmatronic | oDesk: killall -SIGSTOP |
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| 23:26.46 | stiv2k | nvz: theres an "Openbox" and "Openbox Session" and each of them do different things |
| 23:26.52 | stiv2k | so i want to see whats going on in there |
| 23:26.53 | nvz | if you want to configure it then make a list of commands and save it as ~/.xsession then use "default" session |
| 23:26.53 | dalias | the busybox folks will flame you for saying "in busybox" |
| 23:26.55 | dalias | for good reason |
| 23:27.03 | Arafangion | dalias: It is all the same binary, is it not? |
| 23:27.06 | nvz | stiv2k: one probably has a session manager and the other does not |
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| 23:27.15 | nvz | stiv2k: I didnt know openbox had a session manager |
| 23:27.22 | Tramp | oDesk: 19 is correct. |
| 23:27.24 | dalias | usually busybox is built as a single binary |
| 23:27.42 | oDesk | Tramp, then killall -s 19 ? |
| 23:27.50 | Tramp | oDesk: no |
| 23:27.56 | dalias | this is rather irrelevant to whether the phrase "in busybox" makes sense |
| 23:28.05 | jrebelo | Getting a knoppix disc run in there |
| 23:28.06 | Tramp | oDesk: killall -19 <name of your script> |
| 23:28.14 | oDesk | Tramp, Aha |
| 23:28.24 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: probably depends on what you are using |
| 23:28.29 | Arafangion | jrebelo: Keep in mind that it will default to graphical mode. |
| 23:28.42 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: well i just found a hack for gnome .... |
| 23:28.50 | jrebelo | Yeah, we have a kvm connection so we can intervene |
| 23:29.12 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: but i dont knwo if it will allow me to write some predefined text on the window i m working in |
| 23:29.13 | Tramp | oDesk: additional "-s" would be ok as well 8) |
| 23:29.14 | tokyoeye | jrebelo, if you;re in a hurry to get the services online you could try to run everything from knoppix. mount the partitions that are still ok under a new mount, chroot to that place and start the services. i've kept services online like that till the customer finally decided to sort things out. |
| 23:29.15 | oDesk | Tramp, no process killed |
| 23:29.52 | Tramp | oDesk: What did you type? |
| 23:30.00 | Arafangion | tokyoeye: Except that chroot isn't working for him. |
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| 23:30.12 | jrebelo | yeah the target root is corrupted it seems |
| 23:30.14 | nvz | stiv2k: ah, openbox supports conenctions to session managers as well as has stuff to do gnome panel control and kde tray control |
| 23:30.18 | jrebelo | we can read some of the data but some is inaccessible |
| 23:30.20 | tokyoeye | Arafangion, ouch |
| 23:30.22 | jrebelo | we just need to get data off to restore :( |
| 23:30.25 | oDesk | Tramp: while it's still running .. i can know using `ps aux | grep *.rb` i wrote `killall -19 script.rb` |
| 23:30.38 | nvz | stiv2k: if you dont run a session manager it makes no difference |
| 23:30.43 | oDesk | Tramp: i tried 20 too and -s 19 |
| 23:30.44 | Arafangion | jrebelo: It might not be a bad idea to clone the disk first. |
| 23:30.47 | jrebelo | once the noc gets the knoppix disc in, we just need network and then we can scp the files off to another box on the lan and then reinstall |
| 23:30.59 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: I don't know about gnome (making a typo in network-manager made me have to use gconf to correct it its not logical) |
| 23:31.17 | Tramp | oDesk: 19 is correct. And in the output of ps its name is "script.rb"? |
| 23:31.28 | tokyoeye | jrebelo, what's up with / |
| 23:31.30 | oDesk | Tramp: yes |
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| 23:31.53 | jrebelo | tokyoeye: we don't know yet. the system started being screwy so the other guy rebooted it and it never came back up. turned out it ended up at "no /sbin/init" |
| 23:31.58 | jrebelo | and then to the initramfs prompt |
| 23:32.10 | jrebelo | So we mounted the drive in rescue and there's no /etc or /sbin available |
| 23:32.24 | jrebelo | we're just going to get all of the home directories and web files off and then reinstall |
| 23:32.28 | oDesk | root 25407 0.0 0.1 1568 532 pts/6 S+ 23:32 0:00 grep sgrabber.rb |
| 23:32.50 | oDesk | sgrabber.rb what i meant with script.rb |
| 23:32.53 | Tramp | oDesk: hmm. ok. do kill -19 25407 |
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| 23:33.01 | Arafangion | jrebelo: Not going ot try and figure out how it happened in the first place? |
| 23:33.10 | oDesk | Tramp: root 25506 0.0 0.1 1572 532 pts/6 S+ 23:32 0:00 grep sgrabber.rb |
| 23:33.27 | stiv2k | nvz: so how can i see what commands its doing when i choose it? |
| 23:33.27 | tokyoeye | jrebelo, using any raid at all? |
| 23:33.48 | Tramp | oDesk: are ther more of those sgrabbers? Which process is 1572 (assuming this is the ppid) |
| 23:33.51 | oDesk | Tramp: kill: (25506) - No such process |
| 23:33.53 | jrebelo | Arafangion: it has mirrored drives, it would be good to learn more, but right now we need to ensure that we get some important stuff off of it before we go forward |
| 23:33.59 | jrebelo | (mail directories are on there) |
| 23:34.09 | Tramp | oDesk: no. the 25506 was your grep. |
| 23:34.37 | oDesk | Tramp: 1572 also changes too |
| 23:35.12 | oDesk | Tramp: it's ethier 1568 or 1572 only |
| 23:35.27 | oDesk | Tramp: either* |
| 23:35.30 | Tramp | oDesk: ok, forget this. It's the size, not the ppid. |
| 23:35.57 | Tramp | oDesk: ok, which process spawns your "sgrabbe"? |
| 23:36.06 | oDesk | Tramp: PID number increasing.. |
| 23:36.15 | oDesk | Tramp: ruby |
| 23:36.27 | Tramp | then kill it. |
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| 23:37.36 | gribouille | hi |
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| 23:37.44 | gribouille | can someone help me with locales ? |
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| 23:38.19 | dondelelcaro | gribouille: best to just ask your question |
| 23:38.23 | nvz | stiv2k: well hell dude any process manager would tell you that |
| 23:38.34 | nvz | stiv2k: its just doing openbox or openbox -sm or something |
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| 23:38.48 | nvz | stiv2k: and like I said if you dont have a session manager its not doing anything |
| 23:38.56 | oDesk | Tramp: i kill it but script still in use, also i killer application called 'runner' which i belive spawns it |
| 23:39.01 | nvz | afaict openbox has no session manager |
| 23:39.46 | nvz | and if you did have one all you really need is to start OB from it.. the session manager connection could only be useful to end or restart a session from OB directly and communicate that to the session manager |
| 23:39.47 | gribouille | LANG=fr_FR.iso885915 perl -Mlocale -e 'print chr 189' doesn't yield the correct result |
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| 23:40.07 | Tramp | oDesk: well, find out whatever spawns the processes. Kill it, then kill off the processes. I thought they were spawning recursively. If they don't you don't need to Stop them first. Just kill the "spawner". |
| 23:40.11 | oDesk | Tramp: i may do hard reboot! |
| 23:40.55 | stiv2k | nvz: ok |
| 23:41.23 | Tramp | oDesk: you can e.g. use "ps axo ppid,pid,comm" to get pid and parent's pid. Find and kill the parent of the sgrabbr. |
| 23:41.49 | gribouille | can someone help me with my problem ? |
| 23:41.52 | tokyoeye | Odd_Bloke, did you do ps faux to check the parent process? you might want to kill that |
| 23:42.18 | nvz | stiv2k: a session manager is designed to keep track of whats running in an X session and allow you to do things like monitor and set priority, it will also remember what you have running and restart it and can be used as a way to start misc things when you login |
| 23:42.44 | nvz | stiv2k: its not really important.. just a waste of resources really |
| 23:46.14 | nvz | which is like the loser sneeze |
| 23:46.39 | tokyoeye | gribouille, shoot |
| 23:46.51 | gribouille | tokyoeye, what ? |
| 23:46.59 | stiv2k | lol |
| 23:47.16 | Atalanta | freebsd guys claim that freebsd is more "current" than debian packages (which they call "really old") |
| 23:47.25 | Atalanta | i dont understand though if both take from stable packages |
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| 23:48.03 | null____ | Question: What file can I edit my kernel root= line? |
| 23:48.06 | h3sp4wn | Atalanta: Freebsd has a single ports tree (for -stable and -current) |
| 23:48.37 | streuner | null____: kernel outputes an error? |
| 23:48.42 | karmatronic | null____: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:48.46 | null____ | karmatronic: thanks |
| 23:49.01 | h3sp4wn | Atalanta: If you keep that upto date then it is only supported on those 2 branches - Debian does something else see the meaning of stable factoid on dpkg |
| 23:49.20 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: yeah freebsd is cool too |
| 23:49.25 | h3sp4wn | !tell Atalanta about meaning of stable |
| 23:50.18 | Arafangion | Atalanta: Stable's packages may well be less reliable than stable packages. |
| 23:51.39 | Arafangion | Atalanta: Stable means that I can setup my systems, then go to uni for a year, and have a peace of mind associated with knowing that I won't have to go and do an emergency job to ge the systems working again 1 day before the exam! |
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| 23:56.53 | karmatronic | is there a way to write some text in any X11 window ? |
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| 23:57.08 | karmatronic | apart from using you keyboard :) |
| 23:57.09 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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