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| 00:01.07 | niuq | hi i have an old computer with 192 ram / 2.13 celeron / 40 gb HD, |
| 00:01.15 | niuq | it's enough for installing debian? |
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| 00:01.52 | tokyoeye | niuq, plenty. go ahead! |
| 00:02.17 | niuq | tokyoeye; what version? 4.0 |
| 00:02.35 | Atalanta | tx |
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| 00:03.11 | tokyoeye | niuq, 4 is the latest version. just install it and take a look. you're machine is fast enough. |
| 00:03.36 | tokyoeye | niuq, s/you're/your/ jebus |
| 00:04.42 | niuq | jebus? |
| 00:05.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone know what `lobos.debian.org` is? |
| 00:05.20 | null___ | Question: Upgraded to Sid, Envy no longer works, now X errors with "Kernel failed to load Nvidia module" |
| 00:05.33 | wols_ | Kamping_Kaiser: a FQDN. |
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| 00:05.44 | wols_ | Kamping_Kaiser: 212.211.132.250 |
| 00:05.46 | tokyoeye | niuq, uhm spelling mistake. it's late here. just install debian 4 and you'll be allright |
| 00:06.02 | wols_ | null___: we don't support envy and such |
| 00:06.06 | niuq | tokyoeye: ok, man thx, just a question |
| 00:06.07 | wols_ | !tell null___ about nvidia |
| 00:06.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols_, i'm asking because i have a connection to it @ ~15kb/s, and i cant work out *whats* connecting or *why* |
| 00:06.14 | niuq | tokyoeye: why 4 dvd's? |
| 00:06.21 | wols_ | Kamping_Kaiser: netstat -anp |
| 00:06.27 | tokyoeye | niuq, are you on dsl? |
| 00:06.29 | niuq | well 3 actually |
| 00:06.30 | wols_ | Kamping_Kaiser: which process has the connection? what name? |
| 00:06.34 | niuq | cable modem |
| 00:06.40 | null___ | I'm not using Envy |
| 00:06.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols_, ah, good idea. |
| 00:07.05 | wols_ | null___: what is the envy you spoke about then? |
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| 00:07.53 | niuq | tokyoeye: why? |
| 00:08.06 | null___ | wols_: Didn't uninstall it before upgrading to Sid, so then I had the fun task of getting Envy to run in Sid so I could uninstall its footprint |
| 00:08.24 | tokyoeye | niuq, just download the netboot image |
| 00:08.25 | wols_ | null___: we don't care. we don't support envy |
| 00:08.33 | wols_ | working or not working |
| 00:08.50 | null___ | But it's no longer there. |
| 00:09.01 | niuq | tokyoeye: mmm not sure whats the netboot image |
| 00:09.09 | wols_ | then stop using shit like it. and install the drivers like debian intende |
| 00:09.10 | wols_ | d |
| 00:09.13 | null___ | I did |
| 00:09.38 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 00:09.39 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep nvidia |
| 00:09.47 | wols_ | what does this say and what videocard do you have? |
| 00:10.27 | tokyoeye | niuq, the netboot image will allow you to only install the packages you need. the initial iso is quite small and allows you to boot the installer. the installer gives you the option to install/download any optional packes. |
| 00:10.41 | null___ | wols_: I've got common, source, settings, glx, and nvidia-kernel for this kernel and previous |
| 00:10.46 | wols_ | niuq: you can either download a full CD or DVD to install debian (700MB or 4,7GB), or you can use a netinst image which is only 150MB |
| 00:10.49 | null___ | wols_: 7600 GS, always had trouble with this card and X |
| 00:10.50 | niuq | tokyoeye: something like ubuntu? |
| 00:11.02 | tokyoeye | niuq, better ;-) |
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| 00:11.16 | wols_ | null___: pastebin please |
| 00:11.31 | niuq | tokyoeye: ok i'll search for netboot image |
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| 00:12.15 | tokyoeye | niuq, the netboot is a basic install and allows you to install packages as you go on. so if you want to install X you can add it. Ifyou do not need X you won't have to install it (unlike ubuntu) |
| 00:12.20 | niuq | wols_: just a dvd?, i thought they were 3 dvd's |
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| 00:12.45 | wols_ | niuq: no. the rest is downloaded and installed automatically, when you actually want to install it. |
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| 00:13.12 | wols_ | minimizes needed network traffic |
| 00:13.24 | niuq | so i just need the first dvd wols_? |
| 00:13.40 | maddash | can I switch to sid? |
| 00:13.41 | wols_ | yes. or the first CD or the netinst iso (smallest of the bunch with 150MB) |
| 00:13.43 | tokyoeye | niuq, nope. just get the netboot |
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| 00:13.50 | wols_ | maddash: you can but you shouldn't |
| 00:14.04 | niuq | ok i'll get it for debian's page |
| 00:14.11 | niuq | i'll just search for netboot |
| 00:14.13 | wols_ | niuq: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 00:14.33 | niuq | at least just give it to me ^^, thx |
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| 00:15.13 | niuq | wols_ that's the link for downloading netboot? |
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| 00:15.38 | wols_ | no. it's the link for downloading any of the 3 alternatives you have. it's a list of mirrors for them near you |
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| 00:15.53 | niuq | wols_ i should download for "network install"? |
| 00:16.03 | wols_ | whatever you want |
| 00:16.20 | tokyoeye | niuq,i386 or x86_64? |
| 00:16.23 | null___ | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m513a86be |
| 00:16.27 | niuq | i386 |
| 00:16.30 | wols_ | tokyoeye: he said celeron 192MB |
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| 00:16.59 | null___ | modprobe nvidia gives me '/sbin/lrm-video no such file' :/ |
| 00:17.01 | wols_ | null___: modprobe nvidia |
| 00:17.09 | null___ | haha |
| 00:17.12 | trifler | Whats the id for the latest debian rel? ie. sarge? |
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| 00:17.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | trifler, latest in what way? |
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| 00:17.56 | wols_ | null___: you have stuff from envy left over imho |
| 00:18.03 | wols_ | trifler: etch |
| 00:18.17 | niuq | tokyoeye: i386 |
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| 00:18.20 | trifler | wols_: ty |
| 00:18.41 | Ryushin | Anyone know if there is any 802.11n support in linux wireless yet? |
| 00:18.45 | trifler | wols_: On a ftp with release "current" should give you the latest? |
| 00:18.56 | wols_ | trifler: url? |
| 00:19.11 | tokyoeye | niuq, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:19.15 | trifler | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 00:19.18 | wols_ | trifler: just use an official debian mirror. not as if there'd be any shortage of those |
| 00:19.29 | tokyoeye | niuq, check debian.org for more info |
| 00:19.31 | wols_ | trifler: this is sarge as the url clearly says. different thing |
| 00:19.42 | trifler | ups. |
| 00:19.44 | niuq | tokyoeye: thank you |
| 00:20.17 | tokyoeye | niuq, check out open solaris ;-) |
| 00:20.32 | niuq | tokyoeye: open solaris O_O? |
| 00:20.36 | wols_ | tokyoeye: Ian, is this you? |
| 00:20.44 | wols_ | tokyoeye: please stay on topic |
| 00:20.53 | tokyoeye | wols_, hahaha |
| 00:20.55 | wols_ | niuq: ignore it |
| 00:21.00 | niuq | tokyoeye: never heard of it |
| 00:21.06 | niuq | wols_ lol why? |
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| 00:21.20 | wols_ | cause it's off topic. solaris is another OS |
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| 00:21.26 | null___ | Can someone get !dpkg to tell me that list of commands to build/install nvidia drivers? |
| 00:21.27 | graytron | Deb Ian? |
| 00:21.36 | wols_ | !tell null___ about nvidia |
| 00:21.49 | niuq | ohhh ok |
| 00:21.50 | wols_ | null___: that won't help when envy still has crud on your system |
| 00:21.51 | null___ | wols_: Earlier, someone had it list |
| 00:21.58 | null___ | *envy has been removed, again |
| 00:22.01 | niuq | tokyoeye: i'll check it out :P |
| 00:22.03 | tokyoeye | wols_, it's not that bad though :-) |
| 00:22.12 | wols_ | it hasn't cause it still looks for lrm-video. QED |
| 00:22.32 | null___ | wols_: Earlier, someone had it list the exact command sequence, started w/ update-pciid iirc |
| 00:22.46 | wols_ | !tell null___ about nvidia install |
| 00:23.41 | wols_ | !tell null___ about nvidia_post_etch |
| 00:23.52 | null___ | wols_: that's it, thanks |
| 00:24.05 | wols_ | null___: note that this probably won't help you since it doesn't fix the envy problems most likely. |
| 00:24.18 | null___ | So, should I uninstall envy (done,) uninstall all nvidia stuff, then do that? |
| 00:24.20 | wols_ | you could be lucky and it will but it's unlikely when even a modprobe nvidia fails |
| 00:24.57 | null___ | wols_: do you think a reboot would be necessary? I've just been restarting X |
| 00:25.11 | null___ | *in trying to troubleshoot lrm-video |
| 00:25.11 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 00:25.12 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 00:25.33 | wols_ | we have no clue about lrm-video. it'S not debian |
| 00:25.45 | null___ | What #channel is it? |
| 00:25.51 | wols_ | we don't know |
| 00:25.54 | null___ | o |
| 00:26.10 | wols_ | as I said: google seems to indicate it comes from envy |
| 00:26.22 | wols_ | or ubuntu |
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| 00:26.44 | kairu0 | i am trying to disable my onboard sound card, but i have no options in the BIOS for it (Vaio... *sigh*). How can I stop linux from loading it? |
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| 00:26.57 | wols_ | !tell kairu0 about blacklist |
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| 00:27.29 | kairu0 | thnkx |
| 00:27.45 | trifler | wols_: debian netinst is the "same" thing as ubunts netboot? |
| 00:27.54 | petemc | no |
| 00:27.56 | wols_ | trifler: I don't know what a ubuntu netboot is |
| 00:28.05 | trifler | okey. |
| 00:28.12 | petemc | netboot == pxe, i guess |
| 00:28.23 | wols_ | netinst means it installs a very basic system and for most other things you download stuff via http/ftp to install it |
| 00:28.28 | kairu0 | wols_, so i would do a "echo snd-hda-intel >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local"? |
| 00:28.39 | trifler | I want to pxe boot and install debian using tftp32 running on a windows machine. |
| 00:28.49 | tokyoeye | anyone got any tips on improving ext3 performance on small files? |
| 00:29.00 | wols_ | kairu0: you'd want to blacklist the module in your initrd too |
| 00:29.09 | kairu0 | wols_, how do i do that? |
| 00:29.12 | petemc | trifler: whats stopping you? |
| 00:29.13 | trifler | I can find info using this method for ubuntu but I don't want ubuntu :) |
| 00:29.14 | kairu0 | trifler, i did that once |
| 00:29.16 | wols_ | by reading the full factoid |
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| 00:29.32 | petemc | trifler: probably, same info applies |
| 00:29.38 | wols_ | trifler: read the debian install manual |
| 00:29.41 | tokyoeye | got a machine on 75% iowait.... no good... especially considering i'ts a dedicated scsi storage |
| 00:30.05 | wols_ | tokyoeye: maildir ftw! |
| 00:30.18 | tokyoeye | uhm no maldir. it's a backupmachine |
| 00:30.33 | wols_ | why so many small files then? |
| 00:31.18 | tokyoeye | wols_, weird thing is that this machine is supposed to handle 640mb/s but i only get arount 0.04 mb/s.... pretty sad |
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| 00:31.57 | wols_ | 40kilobytes/second? |
| 00:32.14 | tokyoeye | wols_, i'll check iostat |
| 00:32.29 | tokyoeye | wols_, about 430 |
| 00:32.54 | wols_ | 430 what? cucumbers? |
| 00:33.39 | tokyoeye | wols_, you asked for k darling and i gave you k |
| 00:33.56 | wols_ | so it's 0,4MB/s |
| 00:34.06 | karmatronic | does anyone know where gnome keep copied text ? |
| 00:34.07 | tokyoeye | wols_, totally |
| 00:34.15 | Guerin | karmatronic: in its internal clipboard |
| 00:34.24 | tokyoeye | wols_, atime and simple mounting stuff doesnt work |
| 00:34.28 | Guerin | karmatronic: there are various clipboard utils which can let you access it |
| 00:34.51 | wols_ | tokyoeye: and benches have the nromal sustained read/write rate? |
| 00:35.15 | karmatronic | Guerin: for instance ? glipper ? |
| 00:35.15 | tokyoeye | wols_, i'm not sure about creating a new slice on the san and working with xfs (ext3 should be ok right?). so i'm thinking about what to do next. |
| 00:35.36 | Guerin | karmatronic: probably something like that |
| 00:35.40 | wols_ | not xfs. jfs if anything |
| 00:35.45 | wols_ | or *gasp* reiser |
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| 00:35.53 | null___ | Blah |
| 00:36.05 | null___ | Should I just reinstall Etch? |
| 00:36.16 | tokyoeye | wols_, everything looks ok. this is a production machine and i've just started noticing this perfomance shite so i cannot do to much testing... |
| 00:36.22 | wols_ | you shoul stop using things like envy |
| 00:36.31 | karmatronic | Guerin: isnt there an esay way to paste text from a script into a X11 window ? |
| 00:36.44 | Guerin | karmatronic: there are several. |
| 00:36.56 | karmatronic | Guerin: for instance ? |
| 00:37.03 | wols_ | karmatronic: select text. press middle mouse button in X window |
| 00:37.03 | Guerin | the easiest is simply to tag the text with your mouse and middle-click where you want it to go |
| 00:37.16 | null___ | wols_: I'm afraid I never got my 7600 GS functioning without Envy. Any experience with that card? |
| 00:37.21 | Guerin | that uses the x clipboard, which is separate from the gnome clipboard |
| 00:37.40 | wols_ | null___: it's a card like any other and envy uses the same driver like anyone else |
| 00:37.40 | karmatronic | wols_: of course....but i want my text copied from a script.... |
| 00:37.56 | wols_ | they only have totally shit install/deinstall so no one will support their crap |
| 00:37.58 | Guerin | karmatronic: you're not being clear. |
| 00:38.13 | wols_ | ie their stuff breaks debian and ubuntu |
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| 00:38.34 | gribouille | can someone help me with a problem about locales ? |
| 00:38.43 | Guerin | gribouille: ask |
| 00:38.44 | karmatronic | wols_: i want to press a key shortcut and have text echoed on a X11 window, this text coming from a script , not because i ve selected it |
| 00:39.30 | gribouille | Guerin, LANG=fr_FR.iso885915 perl -Mlocale -e 'print uc chr 189' doesn't yield the correct result |
| 00:39.32 | karmatronic | wols_: Guerin let s make it simple.I want a key shortcut to have echoed " hello world" on the windo i m into |
| 00:40.13 | Guerin | karmatronic: no ide ahow to do that. |
| 00:40.41 | Nyle | karmatronic: why? |
| 00:41.00 | wols_ | karmatronic: man xsel |
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| 00:41.43 | karmatronic | I m running an As400 client but the linux one doesnt have all the MACROS provided by the w32 one.So i want a way to have those macros executed this way |
| 00:42.14 | wols_ | http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~vherva/xsel/ |
| 00:42.17 | Tramp | karmatronic: echo "Hello World" >/dev/pts/X, where X is your pty (as tty tells you). |
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| 00:42.35 | RichiH | are the debian nm and packaging guidelines available as a package? |
| 00:42.41 | Tarraq | Good evning people :) |
| 00:42.52 | karmatronic | wols_: xsel seems to be able to do the trick thanks :) |
| 00:42.58 | gribouille | does anyone know how locale support works on debian ? |
| 00:43.12 | wols_ | gribouille: ask a real question |
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| 00:43.31 | gribouille | wols_, LANG=fr_FR.iso885915 perl -Mlocale -e 'print uc chr 189' doesn't yield the correct result |
| 00:43.40 | Nihill | something I'm trying to install comes back with "error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1" can anyone help? |
| 00:43.56 | Tarraq | A quick lil' question? Anyone can think of why a /tmp partition fills up instantly? and even though I delete all files, it's still full |
| 00:44.32 | Tarraq | I just installed zabbix agent on that server, but doesn't seem like that log takes anything |
| 00:44.39 | smacnay | Does one need to be added to group "fuse" in order to run fusesmb as "user"? |
| 00:45.07 | wols_ | gribouille: the locales would be fr_FR |
| 00:45.16 | wols_ | not fr_FR.iso885915 |
| 00:45.23 | wols_ | or rather it would be fr_FR@euro |
| 00:45.28 | wols_ | !tell gribouille about locales |
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| 00:45.54 | gribouille | wols_, why not fr_FR.iso885915 ? |
| 00:46.07 | karmatronic | smacnay: i think so |
| 00:46.28 | wols_ | cause it's named fr_FR.ISO-8859-15 |
| 00:46.44 | wols_ | and then your bash needs to be 8bit aware, your fonts need to play ball etc |
| 00:46.50 | wols_ | by default, etch uses utf8 btw |
| 00:46.58 | petemc | it does? |
| 00:47.09 | wols_ | petemc: when you install fresh it apparently does |
| 00:47.18 | petemc | i thought it didnt |
| 00:47.20 | gribouille | wols but I don't want to use use utf8 |
| 00:47.27 | wols_ | gribouille: then don't |
| 00:48.31 | wols_ | gribouille: have you generated the fr_FR.ISO-8859-15 locale? |
| 00:48.58 | gribouille | wols_, yes |
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| 00:51.05 | wols_ | petemc: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html: Default encoding for etch is UTF-8 |
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| 00:51.24 | petemc | wols_: i stand corrected |
| 00:52.09 | wols_ | gribouille: it also says "Note that some applications may not yet work correctly in a UTF-8 environment, mostly due to display issues." |
| 00:52.36 | gribouille | wols_, who says that ? |
| 00:52.58 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.59 | Nihill | where would I get libGL.so.1 from? |
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| 00:53.34 | wols_ | Nihill: depends for what videocard/driver |
| 00:53.48 | Nihill | it's for a matrox g450 |
| 00:53.49 | gribouille | wols_, it is not a diplay problem |
| 00:54.05 | wols_ | !tell Nihill about search |
| 00:54.09 | wols_ | Nihill: mesa in your case |
| 00:54.26 | Nihill | thanks wols_ |
| 00:54.29 | gribouille | wols_, when I try to get the uppercase version of a character, I get the lowercase one |
| 00:54.40 | slaq | hmm. i'm worried that my server might have been hacked. "df -h" reports 45G used for /var. but "du -hs /var" measures only 12G. i checked lsof for deleted but still open files and there are two but they are only 2G in size (zipped logfiles) and don't make up for the difference. does anyone have an idea what could be up with the missing space and how to proceed from here? |
| 00:55.21 | wols_ | slaq: how many files in /var ? |
| 00:56.12 | slaq | wols_, find . -type f | wc -l reports 34545 |
| 00:57.55 | tokyoeye | slaq, no files currently in use by killed processes? |
| 00:58.06 | tokyoeye | slaq, apache log files? |
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| 00:59.18 | Arafangion | slaq: Files in use by processes that have since been deleted do not get removed until the last reference has been closed. |
| 00:59.35 | sigjuice | is there a way to tell when a given package was upgraded? |
| 00:59.42 | Nihill | Wols_ I found that I need to install libgl1-mesa-swx11 but when I try to it wants to get of xorg what should I do? |
| 00:59.51 | Arafangion | slaq: Because I (ab)use hardlinks, 'df -h' reports only about 60GB, but 'du -h' reports closer to a TB. :) |
| 01:00.00 | slaq | tokyoeye, Arafangion i checked with lsof +L1. there are indeed deleted files still open (rotated logfiles) but i see the zipped versions of these and they sum up to 200M zipped or about 2G unzipped. but i'm missing 33G ... :\ |
| 01:00.03 | petemc | du -hsc |
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| 01:01.34 | slaq | oh! |
| 01:01.35 | slaq | n/m |
| 01:01.59 | Nihill | why would something want to get rid of xorg? |
| 01:02.03 | slaq | i just noticed that lsof has a size field. and that shows 35081279533 for one of the deleted/open files. |
| 01:02.08 | slaq | wowz... |
| 01:03.03 | tokyoeye | slaq, nice ;-) |
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| 01:03.28 | Arafangion | slaq: How'd that happen? :) |
| 01:03.31 | slaq | s |
| 01:03.57 | slaq | Arafangion, stupid devs writing broken code i guess... gotta look into it deeper, it's queue file that for some reason wasn't closed after rotation |
| 01:04.39 | Guerin | holy fuck, rockbox is the easiest thing ever |
| 01:05.00 | petemc | hows its pwoer management? |
| 01:05.01 | Arafangion | slaq: Perhaps it's incomplete code indeed. (I'm a dev, myself, though not a debian dev) :) Do you know which app it is? |
| 01:05.09 | Arafangion | Guerin: rockbox, you say? |
| 01:05.13 | Nihill | can someone help me? |
| 01:05.28 | slaq | Arafangion, custom app, this is a website :) |
| 01:05.40 | Arafangion | Guerin: The firmware? ;) |
| 01:05.42 | Guerin | petemc: dunno yet, I only just installed it. It's plenty configurable. I don't much care since my player has 35h battery life out of the box |
| 01:05.49 | petemc | all good |
| 01:05.59 | Guerin | Arafangion: it's an OS for some portable music players |
| 01:06.00 | Arafangion | slaq: Not apache, I take it? |
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| 01:06.16 | Guerin | but actually installing it is utterly trivial |
| 01:06.19 | Arafangion | Guerin: I see. Was hoping you were mentioning an awesome linux window manager. :( |
| 01:06.27 | Guerin | Arafangion: hah. |
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| 01:06.53 | Arafangion | Guerin: I'm trying to decide what WM/DE to install on my 'from scratch' system. |
| 01:07.17 | Arafangion | Guerin: Surprisingly difficult. :) |
| 01:07.19 | Guerin | Arafangion: evilwm |
| 01:07.21 | slaq | Arafangion, nope. apache is too slow for us anyways ;) |
| 01:07.23 | Guerin | so good it's evil |
| 01:07.32 | Arafangion | Guerin: Hmm. |
| 01:07.46 | Arafangion | slaq: I'll believe that. :) |
| 01:08.10 | Arafangion | slaq: I've often felt that I could write a webserver faster than apache without much difficulty - but haven't found the time to do so. |
| 01:08.11 | tokyoeye | slaq, a way to reproduce this is to let an error_log grow and delete it using 'echo "" > error_log" etc or by just removing a log file while apache was still running. |
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| 01:08.35 | Arafangion | slaq: i suppose you're using an "application server", rather than a "web server serving static pages, with a bit 'o php"? |
| 01:08.49 | slaq | Arafangion, others have done that already, there are plenty of choices :) (lighty, nginx, zeus etc) |
| 01:08.52 | petemc | Arafangion: that sounds very arrogant, considering all the smart people that work on apache |
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| 01:09.17 | slaq | Arafangion, yep, we're a java shop so it's all servlet engines playing buzzword bingo |
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| 01:09.32 | slaq | Arafangion, with lighty for static stuff |
| 01:10.06 | Arafangion | petemc: They may be smart, but apache itself might not be optimal. |
| 01:10.06 | petemc | is java more buzzwordy than rails? |
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| 01:10.22 | slaq | petemc, he said faster, not "better". apache has it's place but it's not the fastest kid on the block. |
| 01:10.41 | slaq | petemc, sir yes sir. |
| 01:10.53 | Arafangion | slaq: Indeed. My solution would fill one or two niche markets, while apache is insanely generic, complicated, and portable. |
| 01:11.12 | petemc | and established |
| 01:11.15 | petemc | proven |
| 01:11.30 | Guerin | massively robust |
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| 01:11.51 | Guerin | i both love and hate apache more than most other stuff |
| 01:11.53 | petemc | extensible |
| 01:12.08 | Arafangion | petemc: Granted, if you want to do 'traditional' webhosting, apache is the obvious choice. |
| 01:12.38 | klhrevolutionist | I used cherokee when i hosted on my pc.. |
| 01:12.47 | Arafangion | petemc: But if you want to investigate new ways of scalability, speed, or even simply operate as a web-application server, I would not choose apache. |
| 01:13.46 | petemc | Arafangion: yeah, i look after a few dozen rails sites, ive looked at mongrel and lighttpd |
| 01:14.32 | petemc | but im using apache and fcgid |
| 01:14.39 | petemc | as i know apache well.. |
| 01:14.48 | Arafangion | petemc: Those aren't really want I'm describing. |
| 01:15.02 | petemc | thats fine |
| 01:15.03 | Arafangion | petemc: I'm more describing solutions the likes of 'yaws'. |
| 01:15.11 | Arafangion | Extremely specialized solutions. |
| 01:15.12 | tokyoeye | petemc, is everybody using lighttpd because the howtoforge.com tutorials point the m in that direction or because it really is faster and easier for the admins? |
| 01:15.37 | Arafangion | tokyoeye: I would say that lighttpd is smaller, lighter, and it is faster for static pages. |
| 01:15.56 | tokyoeye | Arafangion, and an easier route to mongrel as well? |
| 01:16.04 | petemc | tokyoeye: i dont know what anyone else is doing, lighttpd is fast, but not as featureful as i require |
| 01:16.07 | Arafangion | tokyoeye: Well, never actually used them. |
| 01:16.19 | slaq | petemc, hm, what do you require that lighty doesn't have? just curious |
| 01:16.26 | Arafangion | tokyoeye: I seem to recall that the ruby guys recommend lighttpd. |
| 01:16.29 | klhrevolutionist | http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/Ruby_on_Rails_with_SCGI.html |
| 01:16.58 | petemc | slaq: back when i set the hosts up, vhosts, php, usual shit |
| 01:16.59 | Arafangion | tokyoeye: For various reasons - modules for apache tend not to be that stable. mod_python is awful! |
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| 01:17.11 | slaq | petemc, it does all these things nowadays :) |
| 01:17.14 | petemc | slaq: perhaps lighttpd does that now.. |
| 01:17.16 | petemc | heh |
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| 01:17.26 | tokyoeye | Arafangion, but you obviously do not have to use/compile them if you don;t need them |
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| 01:18.29 | Arafangion | tokyoeye: What does that have to do with anything? |
| 01:18.34 | Arafangion | tokyoeye: I'm a python guy, btw. |
| 01:19.25 | fluxbunt1 | wow, this fluxbuntu cd is great. o_0... aiding me in copying home, and then installing 4.0 and keeping it stable, because I'm actually missing out on productivity with this box down... |
| 01:19.53 | Arafangion | fluxbunt1: You'll burn out one of these days. |
| 01:20.01 | Arafangion | The human mind is not meant to work 100%. |
| 01:20.14 | Azar | damn it's friday night! |
| 01:20.17 | fluxbunt1 | Arafangion: I know, but it's been on vacation for a while. |
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| 01:20.39 | Arafangion | Azar: Saturday morning. |
| 01:20.49 | Azar | I can see man... |
| 01:21.18 | fluxbunt1 | Does anyone know how what's the apt-get for mc? |
| 01:21.24 | fluxbunt1 | how-wa |
| 01:21.27 | fluxbunt1 | how-waaaa |
| 01:21.30 | petemc | midnight-commander? |
| 01:21.32 | fluxbunt1 | yes |
| 01:21.32 | Azar | mc what? |
| 01:22.01 | Azar | fluxbunt1: is exactly what you said: apt-get install mc |
| 01:22.07 | Arafangion | fluxbunt1: These days, aptitude is recommended. |
| 01:22.21 | fluxbunt1 | Arafangion: haha, why? |
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| 01:22.47 | fluxbunt1 | Azar: I updated, unless this fluxbuntu is flawed... livecd without mc :( |
| 01:22.49 | Arafangion | fluxbunt1: It marks packages as being 'auto-installed' if you did not explicitly install the packages, but they were pulled as dependencies. |
| 01:22.57 | Arafangion | fluxbunt1: Also, it has somewhat better dependency management. |
| 01:23.05 | Arafangion | fluxbunt1: So, aptitude install mc. :) |
| 01:23.07 | ameyer | umm, does this look like #ubuntu? |
| 01:23.10 | Azar | fluxbunt1: I have no idea about any xxxbuntus |
| 01:23.19 | fluxbunt1 | well I'm not here for support for that |
| 01:23.20 | ameyer | or #fluxbuntu or whatever |
| 01:23.20 | Azar | ameyer: is weekend that why |
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| 01:23.29 | fluxbunt1 | i'm here using fluxbuntu to fix debian |
| 01:23.42 | Azar | hahaha |
| 01:23.45 | Azar | dummy |
| 01:23.56 | rocketmagnet | hi, what do i need to set in fstab to make a device mountable by my user not only root ? |
| 01:24.01 | fluxbunt1 | why? is there a lighter debian livecd? |
| 01:24.03 | cyberjames | zz |
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| 01:25.11 | draygon | Azar why are you calling him a dummy? |
| 01:25.31 | Azar | draygon: I meant to be sweet to him that why |
| 01:25.43 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: user in the options; man 5 fstab; for details |
| 01:25.55 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 01:26.19 | Azar | draygon: not that he is... |
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| 01:26.28 | draygon | alright, well relax |
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| 01:27.23 | rocketmagnet | dondelelcaro: or can i use the umask ? |
| 01:28.01 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: umask doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 01:28.18 | fluxbunt1 | Ah, sweet, got everything copied to the USB. |
| 01:28.25 | draygon | =) |
| 01:28.29 | fluxbunt1 | Time for fresh and reliable work server :) |
| 01:28.49 | fluxbunt1 | mnml too, the other one was swelling at a 7 gig footprint. |
| 01:29.02 | fluxbunt1 | I'll do a net install with... hmm, wondering whether I should use XFCE or Gnome |
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| 01:29.12 | draygon | Gnome!! |
| 01:29.20 | fluxbunt1 | Yeah, Gnome has been getting too good these days not to use it. |
| 01:29.21 | petemc | try one, then the other |
| 01:29.21 | draygon | <3 |
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| 01:29.27 | fluxbunt1 | I've used both before. |
| 01:29.32 | rocketmagnet | dondelelcaro: hmmm, when i add ,user to the options nothing get mounted =( |
| 01:29.32 | aarcane | hi, if I'm installing xen, is it better to use the packages in apt, or to install using the downloads from the xen website ? |
| 01:29.41 | rocketmagnet | i get no error message but nothing gets mounted |
| 01:29.58 | petemc | aarcane: xen in etch works well for most purposes |
| 01:30.14 | draygon | aarcane I would use the mirrors |
| 01:30.43 | aarcane | and which packages do I need for xen from the repos? |
| 01:30.51 | draygon | have you worked with vps before? |
| 01:30.56 | petemc | are they building xen kernel in sid again yet? |
| 01:31.07 | petemc | kernels.. |
| 01:31.15 | draygon | not sure, aarcane why not download the xen install cd? |
| 01:31.25 | aarcane | there's a debian xen install CD ? |
| 01:31.41 | draygon | not debian, but.. its xen :) |
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| 01:31.53 | draygon | its a custom kernel |
| 01:31.56 | draygon | last i heard. |
| 01:32.15 | petemc | 2.6.16 is the kernel xen use |
| 01:32.17 | aarcane | which distro is it ? I'm fairly accustomed to debian xen honestly, but my last install (HD died) was based on debian + download from xen website |
| 01:32.34 | draygon | go to xen's site |
| 01:32.50 | draygon | try that one out, in all honesty it works quite well |
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| 01:33.00 | draygon | you are on a 64bit machine right? |
| 01:33.06 | Azar | been for about 4 years on debian never "downloaded" crap |
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| 01:33.09 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: it doesn't get mounted, it just means that a user could mount it. |
| 01:33.10 | aarcane | nope |
| 01:33.11 | rocketmagnet | arghhh, when i add the user option i get nothing mounted |
| 01:33.29 | rocketmagnet | only for root |
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| 01:33.30 | Guerin | whee, I crashed rockbox |
| 01:33.33 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: instead of root having to mount whatever the filesystem is |
| 01:33.34 | draygon | anyways, im out for the night |
| 01:33.35 | Azar | permissions? |
| 01:33.41 | draygon | time for some beer and girls |
| 01:33.46 | draygon | =) |
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| 01:33.53 | draygon | cya tomorrow! |
| 01:34.04 | petemc | aarcane: unless you need to run 32bit domUs on a 64bit dom0, etches xen packages should work for you |
| 01:34.26 | rocketmagnet | dondelelcaro: i just have all my music on this mountpoint, and only root can access the music =( |
| 01:34.40 | struct | any idea when aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 which is a virtual package. will be fixed? |
| 01:34.46 | rocketmagnet | and root can't open a rhytmbox display =( =( |
| 01:34.47 | Azar | rocketmagnet: adduser "username" audio |
| 01:34.51 | dondelelcaro | struct: when aptititude is rebuilt |
| 01:34.56 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: what filesystem is it? |
| 01:35.05 | aarcane | petemc, but which packages do I need to install? I do apt-cache search xen and get like 40 packages which all look like the same thing |
| 01:35.14 | rocketmagnet | i have the ntfs-3g thing |
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| 01:35.19 | rocketmagnet | it's my external hd |
| 01:35.49 | struct | dondelelcaro: any eta on that? |
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| 01:36.01 | rocketmagnet | the strange thing is it worked before, and i haven't chaned any configs, maybe because it was not plugged in on startup ?? |
| 01:36.29 | dondelelcaro | struct: a developer just has to make the upload; see #447960 |
| 01:36.33 | dondelelcaro | not like it's a big deal |
| 01:37.04 | rocketmagnet | dondelelcaro: any ideas how i can access my files ? |
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| 01:37.17 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: so if it's ntfs, then you want to use the uid,gid, and umask options to set the permissions of the files appropriately. |
| 01:37.22 | rocketmagnet | /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g umask=0,nls=utf8,user 0 0 |
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| 01:37.42 | rocketmagnet | how to get the user id of current user ? or of all users ? |
| 01:37.48 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: id |
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| 01:38.27 | rocketmagnet | and this value for my user into umask=0,uid=X,.. 00 ? |
| 01:38.32 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: and you probably want something like umask=7000 or similar |
| 01:38.47 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 01:38.49 | petemc | aarcane: latest linux-kernel-xen you see |
| 01:39.29 | petemc | or xen-linux-kernel , whatever |
| 01:40.16 | rocketmagnet | dondelelcaro: now i have |
| 01:40.17 | rocketmagnet | /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g umask=7000,nls=utf8,uid=1000 0 0 |
| 01:40.28 | rocketmagnet | but i still get: only root can do that |
| 01:40.42 | petemc | uid=1000? |
| 01:40.51 | rocketmagnet | the uid ? |
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| 01:41.46 | rocketmagnet | hmmm |
| 01:41.50 | rocketmagnet | i get cracy |
| 01:42.07 | rocketmagnet | i want to listen to my music *sniff* |
| 01:42.20 | petemc | use a less shit fs.. |
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| 01:43.25 | rocketmagnet | i don't understand why there is a problem |
| 01:43.33 | rocketmagnet | with root i can mount without problems |
| 01:43.43 | aarcane | petemc, what other packages are needed, like.. for the xm command and the daemons ? |
| 01:44.03 | petemc | aarcane: that should pull in all necessary packages |
| 01:44.06 | Arafangion | rocketmagnet: Linux and windows manage file permisions in extremely different ways. |
| 01:44.08 | petemc | i thought.. |
| 01:44.14 | aarcane | petemc okie |
| 01:44.23 | Arafangion | rocketmagnet: As such, it's practically impossible to reckoncile such permissions. |
| 01:44.39 | wols_ | !ntfsro |
| 01:44.39 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 01:44.41 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: you're still missing user |
| 01:44.43 | Arafangion | rocketmagnet: As a result, everything is owned by the user who mounts it, and only root can mount by default. |
| 01:45.07 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.07 | petemc | xen-utils-common: /usr/sbin/xm |
| 01:45.07 | dpkg | You Fool! $(which xm) is installed! |
| 01:45.10 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: setting uid obviates that entire problem |
| 01:45.24 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Cause and effect, dude. |
| 01:45.34 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: uid just happens to change that *default*. |
| 01:46.05 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: It doesn't automagically make all files owned by administrator owned by root, and all files owned by 'Windows User' owned by 'Linux User', etc. |
| 01:46.29 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: obviously |
| 01:46.37 | stiv2k | how the heck does my scrollbar suddenly stop working out of the blue? |
| 01:46.44 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: but since he already has uid=1000, that doesn't matter. |
| 01:46.49 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: It's not obvious to many people who think that it should "just work". |
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| 01:47.51 | Azar | pfffhahahaha |
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| 01:48.38 | ks | how do I make sure that some script run on shutdown ? |
| 01:49.12 | dondelelcaro | ks: you run it in rc0 |
| 01:49.22 | dondelelcaro | (or rc6 if you want to also run it on reboot) |
| 01:49.24 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: what about rc6? |
| 01:49.35 | wols_ | ah, thought so |
| 01:50.12 | ks | so K99_script in rc6 ? |
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| 01:51.04 | dondelelcaro | ks: depends on when you want it to run, but basically... though you probably'd have better luck with an S01 script or similar. |
| 01:51.29 | dondelelcaro | (since running a stop command when you're not actually stopping something is kind of counter-intuitive) |
| 01:51.33 | ks | well I already have S99_script |
| 01:51.38 | Arafangion | NOrmally you put the scripts in rc.d, and sym-link it. |
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| 01:51.59 | dondelelcaro | ks: if they're symmetric, sure. |
| 01:52.00 | ks | Arafangion i think update-rc.d does it ? |
| 01:52.16 | Arafangion | ks: I believe so. |
| 01:52.18 | dondelelcaro | ks: yes, assuming the script is in init.d, yes. |
| 01:52.38 | dondelelcaro | (Debian doesn't have an rc.d) |
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| 01:53.33 | Azar | finally klingon wols is back! |
| 01:53.37 | ks | dondelelcaro cn you define symmetric ? |
| 01:53.58 | ks | btw i'm reading this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 01:54.23 | ks | it mentions invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d scripts |
| 01:54.41 | dondelelcaro | ks: if what the script lined to from S99 does, K99 undoes, they're symmetric. |
| 01:54.56 | ks | uh ok thanks |
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| 01:56.31 | Azar | ks that article is from 2005 when Debian version was Woody |
| 01:56.52 | Azar | uh Woody? |
| 01:56.56 | Azar | or Sarge? |
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| 01:57.08 | dondelelcaro | !release history |
| 01:57.08 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 01:57.26 | Azar | ah Sarge I would assume, thanks dondelecaro :) |
| 01:59.26 | Azar | ewww is NOT Debian, but a based-on distro : UserLinux so ks what you are reading is NOT Debian :) |
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| 02:03.04 | rocketmagnet | dondelelcaro: i have no clue what i'm doing wrong: here the full fstab line: /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g user,umask=7000,nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 02:03.40 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: and what happens when you sudo umount /media/windows; mount /media/windows; ? |
| 02:03.54 | rocketmagnet | i get "only root can do that" when i don "mount /media/windows -o force" |
| 02:04.10 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: you can't pass options as a user. |
| 02:04.16 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: you can only mount /media/windows |
| 02:04.27 | rocketmagnet | oh |
| 02:04.31 | rocketmagnet | that's the problem |
| 02:04.35 | rocketmagnet | i allways need -o force |
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| 02:04.43 | dondelelcaro | then chuck it into /etc/fstab |
| 02:04.54 | rocketmagnet | where |
| 02:05.00 | null____ | wols_: art thou alive? |
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| 02:05.07 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: in the options line |
| 02:05.19 | rocketmagnet | so user,-o force, .. ?? |
| 02:05.31 | dondelelcaro | rocketmagnet: no, user,force,blah,bla,blah |
| 02:05.35 | rocketmagnet | hehe |
| 02:05.38 | rocketmagnet | ;),ty |
| 02:06.14 | rocketmagnet | hmmm |
| 02:06.20 | Azar | null____: try wols |
| 02:06.31 | rocketmagnet | now when i get no output and nothing get mounted |
| 02:07.22 | rocketmagnet | argh |
| 02:07.53 | dondelelcaro | if you get no output, then it should have mounted things correclty. |
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| 02:08.22 | rocketmagnet | but now it works, i have to mount with root but can read with my user =) =) |
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| 02:10.23 | wols | null____: want to check my pulse? |
| 02:10.46 | sam55 | Hello! Just a little question. Can I restart scim without having to log out and log back in? |
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| 02:13.06 | silvertip257 | good evening |
| 02:14.07 | silvertip257 | I'm trying to get a Cisco Aironet 352 pcmcia wifi card working with Etch (4.0) ... could someone help me? I've verified the module and loaded it, but no interface... |
| 02:14.51 | Azar | ifup? |
| 02:15.15 | silvertip257 | I dont have an interface to use that cmd on |
| 02:15.18 | wols | silvertip257: is there an interface when you do "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 02:15.35 | rocketmagnet | dondelelcaro: ty for your patience |
| 02:15.43 | wols | silvertip257: what WLAN chip does the card use? |
| 02:15.44 | silvertip257 | wols: only eth0 and lo ... neither of which is the wifi |
| 02:16.08 | silvertip257 | wols: can't remember ... I know it uses the airo_cs module though |
| 02:16.13 | silvertip257 | will research the chip |
| 02:16.23 | dondelelcaro | silvertip257: after you've loaded the module, what does dmesg say? |
| 02:16.45 | silvertip257 | wols: when I run 'lspci' I get a texas instruemnts chip |
| 02:16.59 | silvertip257 | wols: hmmm card bus? |
| 02:17.17 | wols | that is not the card but the PCMCIA controller chip |
| 02:17.23 | silvertip257 | wols: maybe it's not being seen? |
| 02:17.25 | wols | run lspcmcia for example |
| 02:17.30 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 02:17.39 | wols | and answer dondelelcaro |
| 02:17.45 | silvertip257 | right - yenta_cardbus |
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| 02:18.13 | silvertip257 | sorry dondelelcaro: wanted to finish w/ wols --- yeah lemme look what dmesg says |
| 02:18.31 | Azar | :) "finish with wols" sounds heavenly |
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| 02:18.36 | silvertip257 | heh :) |
| 02:19.13 | silvertip257 | dondelelcaro / wols: airo() Probing for PCI adapters |
| 02:19.28 | silvertip257 | dondelelcaro / wols: airo() Finished probing for PCI adapters |
| 02:19.30 | silvertip257 | and some more |
| 02:19.46 | Azar | use a paster, paste dmesg, is more relevant |
| 02:19.48 | silvertip257 | actually I did it twice, so that's one probe |
| 02:19.48 | Azar | !paster |
| 02:19.48 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:19.58 | silvertip257 | ok thanks will do |
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| 02:20.24 | silvertip257 | gimme a sec ... gotta startx on that bad boy :) |
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| 02:22.47 | chump | can someone help me .. i've just installed the nvidia driver but it only detect 128 mb on my graphic card i have 256 mb |
| 02:23.20 | null____ | wols: running 4.0 stable, installed driver the Debian way, 1.0-8776 and my second monitor is not supported |
| 02:23.23 | Azar | chump: you installed nvidia driver from their website? on Debian what version? |
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| 02:23.42 | silvertip257 | dondelelcaro / wols: http://paste.debian.net/40723 |
| 02:24.12 | JeffH | I just installed a new router on my network and now apt-get isn't connecting to ftp.us.debian.org. Is there a port I need to open up? |
| 02:24.58 | chump | 1.0.8776 |
| 02:25.04 | tdrusk | JeffH: look in your routers firmware |
| 02:25.07 | theatro | JeffH, fix your gateway root |
| 02:25.14 | theatro | route* |
| 02:25.18 | chump | and i installed it with apt-get |
| 02:25.45 | wols | null____: you have to edit that by hand |
| 02:26.15 | wols | null____: by editing xorg.conf manually |
| 02:26.48 | null____ | yep, doing it now |
| 02:27.25 | Azar | chump: I do not know any Debian version 1.0.8776 |
| 02:27.55 | chump | 1.0.8776ok i get etch, and the nvdia version is 1-0-8776 |
| 02:28.25 | sam55 | Hello! Just a little question. Can I restart scim without having to log out and log back in? |
| 02:28.26 | Azar | chump: sorry I do not know any Debian Etch of version 1.0.8776 |
| 02:28.44 | Azar | sam55: sorry I do not know what scim is |
| 02:29.06 | sam55 | azar: that's okay :) |
| 02:29.19 | Azar | sam55: if I knew I would really try to help |
| 02:29.42 | sam55 | azar: cool man. Thanks! |
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| 02:30.12 | JeffH | so I've modified /etc/network/interfaces Is there a way to tell the system to reconfigure the network without rebooting? |
| 02:30.37 | Kevin`_ | /etc/init.d/networking restart iirc, or you can use ifup |
| 02:30.39 | Azar | chump: did you tried and installed nvidia with the one-liner from here? |
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| 02:31.54 | chump | i followed step on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:32.17 | chump | it work fine beside that it only detect half of my memory .. |
| 02:32.20 | Azar | chump: that would be ok but it only works on certain versions of Debian.. |
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| 02:32.42 | Azar | chump: and where are you reading that? |
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| 02:33.06 | chump | nvidia-settings |
| 02:33.09 | chump | ;) |
| 02:33.44 | Azar | hmm maybe because Debian does not use the proprietary driver, and what you use is the Debian-nvidia driver |
| 02:34.09 | wols | chump: what's in your xorg.conf? |
| 02:34.16 | wols | for amount of videomemory that is |
| 02:34.29 | silvertip257 | dondelelcaro / wols: no word on anything about this wifi? j/w |
| 02:34.41 | wols | silvertip257: it's not finding a card |
| 02:34.48 | wols | silvertip257: what does lspcmcia say? |
| 02:34.49 | silvertip257 | wols :( |
| 02:35.08 | silvertip257 | just shows the yenta_cardbus |
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| 02:35.25 | wols | dmesg said a card was inserted to slot 0 |
| 02:35.33 | chump | wols: no entry aboit an amount of memory in my xorf.conf |
| 02:36.06 | chump | **xorg.conf |
| 02:36.13 | silvertip257 | wols: there are two cards (an old fast eth - eth0 and the wifi aironet |
| 02:36.25 | wols | then your wifi isnt recgonized |
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| 02:36.36 | silvertip257 | dang ... nothing I can do then eh? |
| 02:36.45 | Azar | wols: is between 200 and 205 http://paste.debian.net/40723 |
| 02:36.46 | wols | chump: put one there and tell it how much memory you actually have |
| 02:37.19 | wols | Azar: I've seen it |
| 02:37.27 | chump | ok i'll try that |
| 02:37.56 | wols | silvertip257: http://paste.debian.net/40723 |
| 02:38.00 | wols | silvertip257: cs: pcmcia_socket1: time out after reset. |
| 02:38.02 | silvertip257 | yes? |
| 02:38.08 | silvertip257 | ah |
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| 02:38.33 | silvertip257 | yeah line 222 |
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| 02:39.13 | silvertip257 | rats...looks like no wifi w/ this card... |
| 02:39.28 | edju | route gives my gateway as 192.168.15.1. it should be 192.168.1.1. what determines the gateway? |
| 02:39.47 | PiousMinion | Anyone know what "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room / E: Error occured while processing wsjt (NewVersion1)..." means? |
| 02:39.59 | silvertip257 | edju: your router has that set |
| 02:40.00 | wols | edju: are you using DHCP? |
| 02:40.06 | wols | !mmap |
| 02:40.06 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 02:40.16 | silvertip257 | edju: 15.1 can be valid (some manufacturers set that) |
| 02:40.16 | edju | wols, yes. |
| 02:40.23 | wols | edju: then your router does it |
| 02:40.41 | silvertip257 | I rather doubt I can take cisco drivers and compile them since I cannot see the card anyhow - right wols? |
| 02:41.04 | wols | yes, that's usually the frist step: seein the card somewhere unless it's ISA |
| 02:41.18 | silvertip257 | it's pcmcia ... :'( |
| 02:41.23 | chump | VideoRam "256M" ? |
| 02:41.25 | silvertip257 | so it should show up |
| 02:41.47 | wols | !tell chump about drxx |
| 02:42.05 | wols | run it with -plow perhaps. ther is a setting to set memory manually |
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| 02:42.43 | silvertip257 | wols: I just ejected the pcmcia card and slid it back in -- the lights come on but then go off |
| 02:42.55 | wols | silvertip257: and nothing in dmesg? |
| 02:43.03 | silvertip257 | i'd better check now |
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| 02:43.29 | Lightning | been loking thru my logs for any ideas why my etch system will randomly freeze for no apparent reason but the mouse works. unable to do ctrl-alt-f1 for a terminal when it occurs, nothing visible in syslog, kern.log, user.log, or messages |
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| 02:44.06 | edju | OK. dumb question of the month time. the router tells mee there's another router attached. there isn't. is it possible this debian machine is acting as a router w/o my knowing it? I never set up a router here - wouldn't know how - but maybe a ghost in the machine? |
| 02:44.21 | silvertip257 | wols: again another "cs: pcmcia_socket1: time out after reset." |
| 02:44.37 | Kevin`_ | edju your always attached to another router, but please explain the problem in more detail |
| 02:44.41 | Guerin | edju: `router' has no real meaning. |
| 02:44.55 | Guerin | edju: find out what your router actually MEANS. |
| 02:44.55 | wols | edju: could it be there is a 2nd DHCP server detected? |
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| 02:48.31 | edju | the router - it's an at&t combo modem and router - says my address is 192.168.1.67. ifconfig says it's 192.168.15.151. when I access the -uhhh - router, it tells me thre's another router attached. I cannot oing the .67 address, not access another machine on the lan via nfs. I don't know what else to say. |
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| 02:49.08 | edju | oing/ping |
| 02:49.25 | silvertip257 | edju: obviously you dont have anything statically assigned? since you're talking with us? |
| 02:50.10 | edju | silverpower_, nothing static - internet works, but not the internal lan, it seems. |
| 02:50.18 | silvertip257 | hmm |
| 02:50.36 | silvertip257 | if you cannot ping the .67 it's not there... |
| 02:50.50 | silvertip257 | can you ping the 15.151? |
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| 02:51.19 | edju | silverpower_, yes. |
| 02:51.29 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 02:51.37 | wols | edju: the question is where you get the .16 IP from. pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces please |
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| 02:51.51 | wols | *.15 IP |
| 02:52.02 | silvertip257 | can you look up the DHCP ip pool in your router? |
| 02:52.11 | silvertip257 | find out what it's supposed to be handing out? |
| 02:52.22 | JeffH | If I use a dyndns-client on my linux server, how does it know when my router received a new ip address and that it needs to refresh dyndns? |
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| 02:53.26 | silvertip257 | JeffH: it should periodically check for an IP address change, when they are different, then it's updated on dyndns' end |
| 02:53.33 | chump | hmm |
| 02:53.39 | chump | it didn't work.. |
| 02:53.48 | silvertip257 | mine neither chump :( |
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| 02:54.07 | wols_ | JeffH: depends on the client you use |
| 02:54.12 | wols_ | they often check preiodically |
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| 02:54.14 | edju | wols, http://rafb.net/p/SgN9Fr25.html |
| 02:54.29 | JeffH | silvertip257: gotcha.. now I just gotta figure out how ez-ipupdate is configured. |
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| 02:54.54 | wols_ | edju: dhclient eth0 |
| 02:55.02 | silvertip257 | ;) |
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| 02:55.42 | edju | wols, add that to the end? |
| 02:56.01 | silvertip257 | run in the terminal I think is what he wants done |
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| 02:58.22 | dto | hello folks. |
| 02:58.37 | silvertip257 | hello dto |
| 02:58.47 | edju | wols, for some reason, it's not eth0, but eth1. dhclient eth1 yields a DHCPOFFER from 192.168.15.1. |
| 02:59.08 | dto | the bcm43xx-fwcutter package is broken. i tried to rebuild the package after changing the broadcom firmware download URL (i.e. for wl_apsta.o) since the packaged one goes 404 on the URL it comes with. |
| 02:59.38 | silvertip257 | edju: you didn't tell us you had two NICs |
| 02:59.51 | dto | when i try to download a different one, i get "Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by bcm43xx-fwcutter. |
| 02:59.51 | dto | This file has an unknown MD5sum 82935ea13f8b6572fad08510993879f4. |
| 02:59.51 | dto | " |
| 02:59.58 | edju | silverpower_, I don't have two NICS. |
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| 03:00.09 | silvertip257 | oh ok edju ... that's odd then |
| 03:00.23 | Kevin`_ | eth0 might be something like firewire |
| 03:00.37 | silvertip257 | nice tab complete btw edju: I'm silvertip now power :) |
| 03:00.52 | silvertip257 | *not |
| 03:01.16 | edju | silvertip257, sorry. |
| 03:01.24 | silvertip257 | Kevin` really firewire?!? |
| 03:01.28 | enouf | edju: what's cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules say |
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| 03:02.16 | enouf | silvertip257: udevmonitor might give you some more info about your pcmcia card, dunno |
| 03:02.24 | silvertip257 | ok thanks will try now |
| 03:02.54 | enouf | got pcmcia-utils (or whatever) installed? |
| 03:03.00 | silvertip257 | umm |
| 03:03.04 | silvertip257 | I've wifi tools |
| 03:03.10 | silvertip257 | i think i've got pcmcia tools |
| 03:03.21 | enouf | $ apt-cache search -n pcmcia |
| 03:03.36 | silvertip257 | yeah ;) |
| 03:03.37 | enouf | -cs, is old pkg, iinm |
| 03:03.41 | silvertip257 | I know haha |
| 03:03.49 | silvertip257 | got cs, utils |
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| 03:03.58 | enouf | dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 03:03.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching <pkgname> |
| 03:04.03 | silvertip257 | and linux-wlan-ng-firmware |
| 03:04.08 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 03:04.17 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? wb |
| 03:04.23 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 03:04.23 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 03:04.24 | edju | silvertip257, under PCI device, at has Name = eth1! I should change that, I guess? |
| 03:04.33 | silvertip257 | haha enouf |
| 03:04.38 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:04.55 | dto | so, is it possible to make bcm43xx-fwcutter work? are there any plans for (say) putting this one-liner shell-script fix into the package itself? |
| 03:05.08 | enouf | edju: pastebin what's there |
| 03:05.12 | silvertip257 | edju: I don't think you can change that - something makes it eth1 instead of 0 |
| 03:05.19 | dto | the file it wants to download by default is 404---but it won't accept any other file. |
| 03:05.19 | enouf | you can |
| 03:05.30 | enouf | silvertip257: that's where it's doen |
| 03:05.43 | edju | silvertip257, http://rafb.net/p/Z61P8085.html |
| 03:05.44 | silvertip257 | should I dpkg each one enouf? |
| 03:05.53 | enouf | but it also depends what/whyeth0 is or does |
| 03:06.01 | Kevin`_ | dto it should accept another file if you run it yourself |
| 03:06.04 | enouf | silvertip257: sure |
| 03:06.19 | silvertip257 | wow nice enouf - obviously now 1394 here, so yeah ;) |
| 03:06.27 | enouf | heh |
| 03:06.33 | silvertip257 | that's why you sent me the cmd right enouf? |
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| 03:06.38 | dto | Kevin`_: I tried the alternate locations for wl_apsta.o listed in the README. it refuses to work with any of them (complains about bad file and/or wrong md5sum) |
| 03:06.39 | silvertip257 | for each pcmcia pkg |
| 03:06.42 | Azar | dto: check http://packages.debian.org/etch/bcm43xx-fwcutter for bugs |
| 03:06.47 | enouf | silvertip257: which one? |
| 03:06.51 | edju | silvertip257, just noticed, it has eth0 as firewire. I have a fw card, but nothing's attached. |
| 03:06.57 | silvertip257 | cs and utils |
| 03:07.09 | Kevin`_ | dto that's odd, it used to work with any firmware. let me see if I have the file |
| 03:07.24 | JeffH | anyone here use ez-ipupdate? It asks for an interface.. how am I supposed to specify my router's interface? |
| 03:07.25 | enouf | edju: so swithch names, make eth0 eth, and eth the firewire, if that's what the issue is |
| 03:07.29 | silvertip257 | edju: hmm networking over firewire is possible, but it shouldn't have an addy |
| 03:07.34 | enouf | edju: so swithch names, make eth0 eth, and eth1 the firewire, if that's what the issue is |
| 03:07.49 | silvertip257 | enouf: how do you switch them |
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| 03:07.53 | silvertip257 | j/w |
| 03:07.55 | enouf | silvertip257: i gave you some commands fore searching and showing pkg status |
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| 03:08.02 | enouf | and one udev command |
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| 03:08.06 | Kevin`_ | why switch them, it's just a name |
| 03:08.23 | enouf | ********if that's what the issue is************** FFS |
| 03:08.27 | silvertip257 | useful to know, but I'd prolly not switch it |
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| 03:08.35 | silvertip257 | lol |
| 03:08.44 | enouf | damn |
| 03:08.57 | Kevin`_ | dto http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o work? |
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| 03:09.15 | Azar | silvertip257: worth a try? |
| 03:09.22 | edju | i don't think that has anything to do w/ the funky ip addy. |
| 03:09.26 | silvertip257 | what's that Azar? |
| 03:09.38 | Azar | silvertip257: what enouf suggests |
| 03:09.41 | silvertip257 | yeah |
| 03:09.48 | enouf | 'funky ip addy' .. can you be more vague please? |
| 03:09.48 | dto | Azar: thanks... found a valid URL from that |
| 03:10.04 | Azar | dto good luck |
| 03:10.15 | silvertip257 | enouf: he means the 1.67 addy instead of the 15.1 he has in ifconfig |
| 03:10.16 | Maliuta | enouf: I think he means his IP is a dotted quad |
| 03:10.37 | dto | Azar: that seemed to do it... i guess it is fixed in unstable and testing, but not in stable. anyway I made my own .deb of it now, and it seems to work |
| 03:10.40 | ameyer | I've seen some f'd up IPs |
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| 03:10.59 | enouf | well, i came late, so no idea what you are talking about - i'll let you guys take it |
| 03:10.59 | Azar | dto: try getting it from backports |
| 03:11.02 | ameyer | like, octal, hex, and decimal in the same IP |
| 03:11.11 | edju | enouf, what he said. |
| 03:11.31 | Azar | dto: oh ok |
| 03:11.37 | silvertip257 | enouf: "cs: pcmcia_socket1: time out after reset." x 2 |
| 03:11.43 | dto | Azar: thank you :-) |
| 03:11.44 | slidesinger | the file wpa_supplicant.conf is on my laptop in the /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ directory. The contents are nothing like those listed in the man page, however. Does this file have a purpose different from the file listed in the man page? |
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| 03:12.08 | silvertip257 | nasty ameyer :) |
| 03:12.25 | ameyer | I think some software chokes on that sort of thing though |
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| 03:12.36 | enouf | silvertip257: well, guess you need to figure out why it's resetting, or not loading appropriate modules, or whatever |
| 03:13.08 | silvertip257 | mmhmm well I'm no expert by any means on that enouf, so I guess the heck w/ it |
| 03:13.10 | silvertip257 | :( |
| 03:13.26 | enouf | slidesinger: d-bus is used by DEs mainly |
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| 03:13.52 | enouf | silvertip257: can you get the correct modules? |
| 03:14.06 | silvertip257 | yeah they are loaded (and I can modprobe them) |
| 03:14.14 | Tramp | edju: So your router is 15.1, your IP on eth1, via dhcp, is 15.151 or whatever. Everything is roses, what is your problem? |
| 03:14.29 | enouf | silvertip257: are wrong ones also loaded? look in /etc/modules too |
| 03:14.31 | slidesinger | enouf: So I should create a second wpa_supplicant.conf file to manage the different connections and the security keys? |
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| 03:14.51 | silvertip257 | enouf: there aren't any execpt for loop in /etc/modules |
| 03:14.55 | enouf | slidesinger: no idea, sorry. i don;t know much about wifi |
| 03:15.31 | silvertip257 | enouf: as for wrong ones, I see airo_cs, airo, pcmcia, pcmcia_core when I run "lsmod | grep airo" |
| 03:15.36 | edju | Tramp, the router is 1.1, not 15.1 |
| 03:16.03 | Tramp | edju: So where did the dhcp-offer come from? |
| 03:16.16 | silvertip257 | edju: your DHCP pool could be different than your router IP .... |
| 03:16.18 | enouf | silvertip257: hrm, no idea .. |
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| 03:16.40 | silvertip257 | enouf: i'm gonna look once more, but nothing should be diff |
| 03:16.44 | enouf | edju: check with route and arp |
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| 03:16.58 | Tramp | silvertip257: didn't he write he got the dhcp-offer from 15.1? |
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| 03:17.06 | silvertip257 | yeah |
| 03:17.18 | edju | Tramp, DHCPOFFER is from 192.168.15.1 |
| 03:17.31 | dto | hi folks. should i switch from stable etch to unstable etch? what would the benefits/drawbacks be? |
| 03:17.39 | enouf | ok silvertip257 try lshal, and some hardware utils like hwinfo, dmidecode and lshw for possiblty more info |
| 03:17.50 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 03:18.04 | Tramp | edju: then set your IP static to whatever you want, if you don't like this dhcp-server, whatever it is |
| 03:18.16 | ks | sorry guys had to step out |
| 03:18.41 | ks | my app is fuse-based filesystem driver |
| 03:18.42 | Tramp | edju: Obviously you have a "bogus" or whatever dhcp-server in you net |
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| 03:18.59 | Tramp | edju: or let it set your netmask to /16 and set the correct gateway |
| 03:19.09 | enouf | prolly some crappy VMwarez |
| 03:19.26 | Tramp | edju: or whatever. Somehow your setup is incorrect, but we cannot know how it is supposed to be, can we? |
| 03:19.31 | ks | so when user shuts down the system or reboots it takes about 10 to 30 minutes to sync local cache |
| 03:19.33 | silvertip257 | enouf: yes that's very true |
| 03:19.42 | silvertip257 | could be vmware dhcp |
| 03:19.43 | silvertip257 | lol |
| 03:20.09 | ks | i need to make sure that my script finishes sync before system reboots |
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| 03:20.30 | slidesinger | If a file contains: <!DOCTYPE busconfig PUBLIC as the first line, my guess is I shouldn't edit it? |
| 03:20.43 | Guerin | ks: users should not be able to shut down or reboot |
| 03:21.06 | ks | Guerin well it runs as root |
| 03:21.07 | edju | Tramp, route -n has the gateway as .15.1, I don't know where that's coming from. it should be .1.1 |
| 03:21.21 | Guerin | ks: what runs as root? |
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| 03:21.30 | Tramp | edju: from this dhcp-server!!! |
| 03:21.31 | Guerin | oh, your driver? |
| 03:21.42 | ks | Guerin my program |
| 03:21.54 | Guerin | this is a major design flaw |
| 03:21.55 | Tramp | edju: what dhcp-server is this? who runs it? do you know about it? |
| 03:23.03 | Tramp | edju: have all your other machines in the LAN, which you claim you cannot reach, addresses in the 192.168.1.0/24 range?? |
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| 03:23.21 | enouf | b0z0s are never forthcoming .. you either gotta go after their molars with a set of pliers or give up |
| 03:23.37 | edju | Tramp, it should be the at&t combo modem-router. but i think the "bogus" server may be on this debian machine. how might i discover that? |
| 03:24.19 | Tramp | edju: check, if there is a dhcpd running. But you said the Debina-machine has 15.151, iirc |
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| 03:26.00 | edju | Tramp, no, ps ax does not show any dhcpd running. I'm in over my head here, so i'll just leave it for another time. thanks to all for the suggestions. |
| 03:26.18 | nameless | does anyone knows if there are any kde4 unstable repos ? |
| 03:26.31 | enouf | prolly some bridged bogus vlan, and virtual nics |
| 03:26.44 | silvertip257 | well I got dmidecode and lshw to run (I realize i'd have to get pkgs for the other 2) |
| 03:27.05 | silvertip257 | so yeah not much extra info we dont already know |
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| 03:27.57 | enouf | silvertip257: well, dmidecode isn't really going to help spec for that issue, but good to have anyway .. hwinfo --pcmcia |
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| 03:28.07 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 03:28.14 | Azar | nameless: search http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ |
| 03:28.46 | Azar | btw nice new packages site makeup |
| 03:28.48 | ks | should i use update-rc.d to add runlevel 6 ? |
| 03:29.00 | enouf | silvertip257: oh yeah, lshw yields more info id run as root, the others don't run at all, IIRC |
| 03:29.06 | Azar | ks as dondelecaro said: there is no rc.d in Debian |
| 03:29.08 | enouf | s/id/if |
| 03:29.20 | silvertip257 | yeah I'm root as of earlier enouf |
| 03:29.42 | ks | Azar |
| 03:29.43 | nameless | Azar: i mean kde4 |
| 03:29.44 | nameless | oO |
| 03:29.45 | ks | etch:/etc/rc6.d# update-rc.d |
| 03:29.46 | ks | usage: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] <basename> remove |
| 03:29.48 | Tramp | Azar: but there is, nevertheless, an update-rc.d for updating |
| 03:29.55 | silvertip257 | enouf: hwinfo doesnt display anything useful ;) |
| 03:30.00 | Azar | nameless: ask in #kde... this is Debian how would we know? |
| 03:30.19 | enouf | silvertip257: maybe not to you = again, just some thoughts .. you figure it out |
| 03:30.38 | silvertip257 | ah ok |
| 03:30.41 | Tramp | ks: You can use update-rc.d, but you can also link your script manually |
| 03:30.51 | silvertip257 | thank you very much enouf |
| 03:30.54 | nameless | usually if there are kde4 in debian repos, who know it ? debian or kde |
| 03:30.55 | nameless | lol |
| 03:30.59 | enouf | silvertip257: hwinfo --help -- > pcmcia-ctrl |
| 03:31.07 | silvertip257 | I may not use this wifi card or if I feel like it I'll just run ndis :( |
| 03:31.23 | ks | Tramp yeah i know,just wanna make sure, i won't miss anything |
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| 03:32.21 | Tramp | ks: update-rc.d is, afaik, mainly for package-scripts. There is no drawback in linking your custom script manually |
| 03:32.43 | ks | so just ln -s ../init.d/myscript S99mysript ? |
| 03:32.47 | Azar | nameless: I just gave you the packages site for Debian unstable, see if you find your kde4 dammit |
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| 03:35.03 | enouf | silvertip257: oh, no helpful tips on these sites? |
| 03:35.04 | rednul_ | is there an option to check what files have been modified within an installed package, from the original .deb ? |
| 03:35.06 | enouf | !laptop |
| 03:35.06 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 03:36.26 | ks | also what is order in runlevel 6 ? does s99 execute after s10 ? |
| 03:36.39 | silvertip257 | thanks enouf |
| 03:36.42 | enouf | !runlevels |
| 03:36.42 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
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| 03:36.58 | silvertip257 | will try them - i'm off to wind down and sleep :) |
| 03:37.06 | enouf | ok |
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| 03:37.30 | ks | !startup |
| 03:37.30 | dpkg | init.d is probably ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local> |
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| 03:37.58 | enouf | !tell ks -about selftell |
| 03:38.17 | enouf | ks: it's ok, just wanted to let ya know .. |
| 03:38.22 | Tramp | ks: I doubt that putting it after S90reboot will help. |
| 03:38.36 | ks | yeah |
| 03:38.44 | ks | S90reboot -> ../init.d/reboot |
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| 03:38.52 | ks | doesn't make sense |
| 03:39.01 | ks | so i did S10 |
| 03:39.08 | acu | did anyone make Blacberry run linux ? |
| 03:39.10 | enouf | dang, these calif rolls with spicy (thousand island it seems like) are deeee-lish! |
| 03:39.33 | ks | which shuld run ../init.d/myscript stop ? |
| 03:39.39 | ks | should |
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| 03:39.48 | simonrvn | S is start |
| 03:39.58 | ks | hm |
| 03:40.10 | ks | then K10 ? |
| 03:40.11 | enouf | some clain it means Single |
| 03:40.27 | Tramp | simonrvn: but S90reboot is clearly called with option "stop", isn't it? |
| 03:40.31 | ks | but i need to umount filesystem |
| 03:40.47 | simonrvn | K is kill |
| 03:41.11 | enouf | ks: seen /etc/init.d/skeleton? |
| 03:41.24 | ks | probably i need to write shell script to just umount |
| 03:41.26 | simonrvn | Tramp: it's called a man page, read it |
| 03:41.38 | ks | enouf nope |
| 03:41.38 | enouf | gah simonrvn , i thought you were rederring to rcS.d, not SNN and KNN |
| 03:41.43 | Tramp | simonrvn: my pleasure. Which? |
| 03:41.48 | enouf | s/rederring/referring |
| 03:43.06 | ks | enouf thanks |
| 03:43.36 | simonrvn | man runlevels |
| 03:43.39 | simonrvn | man init |
| 03:43.50 | simonrvn | i can keep going you know |
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| 03:45.25 | Tramp | simonrvn: In runlevel 0/6 all scripts are called with option "stop". first all K, then all S. |
| 03:46.16 | simonrvn | uh, yeh, your point being? 0 is halt, 6 is reboot |
| 03:47.10 | Tramp | simonrvn: That's what I was talking about with ks. Your remarks "S is start, K is kill" were not helpful |
| 03:47.36 | Tramp | simonrvn: And you referencing me to (partly) nonexisting manpages was offending. |
| 03:47.49 | simonrvn | partly? |
| 03:47.58 | simonrvn | nonexisting? |
| 03:48.03 | Tramp | simonrvn: I have no manpage for runlevels. |
| 03:48.27 | simonrvn | runlevel |
| 03:48.30 | Tramp | there is one for runlevel though, as I just found |
| 03:48.36 | simonrvn | ooh, typo |
| 03:48.47 | simonrvn | shaking in my boots |
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| 03:50.10 | Tramp | simonrvn: well, whatever. At least what I said was correct and I fail to see, what nonsense I may have said that made you refer me to manpages. |
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| 03:50.20 | deStone | is postfix the best email server? |
| 03:51.21 | petemc | its a good email server |
| 03:51.36 | deStone | i want something simple, easy to configure |
| 03:51.39 | deStone | and can handle a lot of mail |
| 03:51.40 | deStone | ;) |
| 03:51.50 | deStone | which, is probably what everyone else wants as well out of a mail server |
| 03:51.53 | petemc | postfix ticks those boxes |
| 03:52.15 | petemc | to some degree, theres a fair bit involved with running a mta |
| 03:52.17 | petemc | mostly |
| 03:52.32 | deStone | well, |
| 03:52.38 | deStone | maybe i'm going the wrong direction |
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| 03:53.00 | deStone | basically i'm trying to send out mail as alerts, etc for my web application |
| 03:53.15 | deStone | not really looking to setup a lot of 'mailboxes', etc |
| 03:53.36 | deStone | obviously i'm kind of a newb with this whole side of things |
| 03:53.57 | deStone | and really am just looking for some basics that i should google so i can learn more... |
| 03:54.22 | simonrvn | Tramp: my point is, people should be informed. all i was doing was pointing him/her in the right direction. i'll let them tell me if it was helpful or not. no, i won't apologise to you either. this is the last you'll hear from me. |
| 03:55.20 | Tramp | as I said. whatever. |
| 03:56.44 | Azar | all mail setups/configuration/spam blockers is damn hard to do |
| 03:59.01 | petemc | spam is a moving target |
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| 04:07.09 | g0rAngA | I'm having trouble with what I suspect is syslog and iptables. basically, messages of the form 'IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=...." are being printed out on all the virtual consoles. the system serves as a NAT router and file server for my home network. |
| 04:08.16 | Maliuta | g0rAngA: that will be the loglevel you have set for the -j LOG target |
| 04:08.24 | g0rAngA | info |
| 04:08.25 | Maliuta | it's configurable |
| 04:08.46 | petemc | !printk console |
| 04:08.46 | petemc | hmm |
| 04:08.47 | dpkg | somebody said printk console was see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
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| 04:24.50 | netdaemon | does synaptic use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 04:27.09 | Guerin | netdaemon: apt-get |
| 04:27.21 | Guerin | which is part of why it is crap |
| 04:27.57 | netdaemon | thats what i figured, wanted to double check though =) |
| 04:28.11 | netdaemon | and no plans to make it do otherwise i suppose eh? |
| 04:28.16 | Guerin | no idea |
| 04:28.41 | Guerin | i wouldn't imagine it to be too hard to give aptitude a gui front, which would obsolete synaptic quite completely |
| 04:29.10 | netdaemon | yes it would |
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| 04:29.26 | netdaemon | technically aptitude does have a gui front end though |
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| 04:29.29 | netdaemon | ncurses |
| 04:29.29 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 04:31.49 | emss | is it possible to reinstall Debian on a drive with LVM without formatting all the partitions? |
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| 04:34.33 | MacNorth | hi folks :-) i'm trying to solve a problem and i'm looking for some hints |
| 04:34.52 | MacNorth | i have an external usb hard drive that won't mount as a user |
| 04:35.12 | MacNorth | it seems to be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/98751 |
| 04:35.25 | MacNorth | but with debian etch, natch |
| 04:36.03 | MacNorth | policykit is in experimental, so i'm a little hesitant to install it. are there any other workarounds (besides mounting as root)? |
| 04:36.42 | chance2105 | MacNorth: Is this the user created in the original install? |
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| 04:38.24 | MacNorth | not originally. i had sarge and my uid was 500. the hard drive failed and i install etch. now i'm uid 1000. i was getting Hal errors for uid 1000, so i mounted the drive as root and saw that the all the files were owned by 500 (which isn't me). so i chown'ed and chgrp'd them all (except for lost+found) |
| 04:38.53 | MacNorth | to me, but still no user-land moutning joy :-\ |
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| 04:45.47 | blahdeblah | Hi. This is gonna sound stupid, but please humour me: is there a web or desktop GUI application that tracks the apt databases of distributed machines and can show me up-to-date-ness and allow me to schedule or immediately run updates? i.e. Something like Red Hat Network, but for Debian & Ubuntu. |
| 04:46.14 | blahdeblah | (Or, ugh <shivers>, like WSUS is for Windows.) |
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| 04:48.36 | MacNorth | lshal for my drive shows http://pastebin.ca/751247 |
| 04:49.12 | MacNorth | 'storage.hotpluggable = false (bool)' makes me sad :( |
| 04:49.30 | stew | blahdeblah: nope. |
| 04:49.44 | stew | blahdeblah: its a common request though. you should write one, it will make you famous |
| 04:49.53 | blahdeblah | stew: OK - thanks! :-) |
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| 04:54.59 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i need help debuggin a postfix setup, i tried to setup according to the instructions http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ . i am unle to get mail clients to send mail after authetication, i can however send from local host. i can't seem to get any logs ether to look at the proble,m, i would appreciate some helpabl |
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| 04:55.14 | Kikkoman | Alright, I'm trying to install Debian on my Laptop. |
| 04:55.27 | Kikkoman | This laptop has about 1/9 of a screen, So I need some help. |
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| 04:56.40 | Kikkoman | Can anyone help? |
| 04:57.32 | sisir | Hello, I'm Sisir from IIT Kharagpur. Our institute blocks all protocols except HTTP and HTTPS and directs all our requests through a HTTP proxy. As a result, I've not been able to access IRC and use FTP. I've heard that tunnelling may help. Can anyone please help me out? I'm running Debian Sid |
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| 04:59.17 | ameyer | man, that's one fascist firewall |
| 04:59.23 | stew | sisir: apt-cache show httptunnel |
| 04:59.35 | noige | Kikkoman: I cannot help but -- check H-sync/v-sync, driver, and resolution |
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| 05:00.08 | sisir | yeah it is |
| 05:00.39 | mudge | in security, what does it mean to "sign" something? |
| 05:01.35 | sisir | stew: i've checked out httptunnel but don't we need access to the proxy server too to get it working? |
| 05:01.48 | jrebelo | mudge: it means you put a signature on the file such that if it is altered, the signature will no longer match |
| 05:01.54 | jrebelo | so you know it's not authentic anymore |
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| 05:02.38 | mudge | jrebelo: like a hash of the file? |
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| 05:05.39 | Guerin | mudge: a hash can be a signature. A digital signature is usually used to prove that a particular person (entity, etc) has verified the authenticity of some data. |
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| 05:05.56 | Guerin | not that the data is correct, per se, but that it is what it claims to be |
| 05:06.02 | jrebelo | mudge: guerin is explaining it better than I |
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| 05:06.42 | Guerin | mudge: read the wikipedia entry on public key crypto |
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| 05:08.15 | mudge | thanks |
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| 05:16.14 | MacNorth | okies, adding a udev rule and a line to my fstab lets me mount as a user. no automounting yet :-| |
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| 05:22.38 | MacNorth | yosh! and automounting now working :) |
| 05:23.04 | predder | I want to get lenny onto my PPC arch notebook, should I get the weekly testing build? |
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| 05:27.00 | dto | i mistakenly selected some things in dselect and aborted the download. how do i tell dselect to "forget" what it had planned for installation? |
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| 05:46.23 | terr_ | do we ahve a bot here? |
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| 05:46.57 | netdaemon | !ping |
| 05:46.57 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:47.00 | netdaemon | i assume so |
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| 05:47.17 | terr_ | netdaemon: are you a bot? |
| 05:47.24 | netdaemon | nope |
| 05:47.25 | netdaemon | :P |
| 05:47.26 | terr_ | I wasn't sure I was logged in. |
| 05:47.35 | terr_ | have you used the ports tree before? |
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| 05:47.44 | netdaemon | some, but its been a while |
| 05:48.07 | netdaemon | cd /usr/ports/foo/bar && make install clean |
| 05:48.10 | netdaemon | all that mess... |
| 05:48.16 | terr_ | I'm cloning a system. It looks like it was built the 1st tiem around from the ports tree because I see a 7 MB ports.tar.gz file |
| 05:48.40 | terr_ | when I read the faq it says use packages. Is there a reason why I should use ports over the packages? |
| 05:49.01 | netdaemon | i wasn't aware that debian had ports o_O |
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| 05:49.11 | terr_ | whopps |
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| 05:49.25 | terr_ | I meant to be asking this in #openBSD |
| 05:49.30 | terr_ | sorry |
| 05:49.31 | netdaemon | haha |
| 05:49.42 | netdaemon | ports for customizing builds btw |
| 05:49.48 | netdaemon | if the package works for you then use the packages |
| 05:50.17 | terr_ | I came here to find out if I was actually logged on. Konversation pretends soemtimes and It can get lonely talking to myself asking myself questions. |
| 05:50.18 | netdaemon | say you need certain functionality the package dosn't provide...mysql support in apache or something |
| 05:50.39 | terr_ | In Debian I use apt. It works reasonably well. |
| 05:50.44 | netdaemon | yep |
| 05:50.51 | netdaemon | aptitude works better |
| 05:50.52 | netdaemon | =) |
| 05:51.07 | terr_ | but I have a badly borken system right now. The upgrade to sarge did not work and it hasn't healed itself. |
| 05:51.36 | terr_ | I'm going to have to replace this system one day... I don't think I can just upgrade it. |
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| 06:12.55 | Azar | hehehe http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200710/error'd/emailverify.jpg |
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| 06:15.50 | Azar | simonrvn: this is a good paste to show what the system error alerts: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200710/error'd/panic.jpg |
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| 06:23.28 | ||seb|| | how make .forward send email to TWO addresses? |
| 06:23.39 | cyberjames | yeha |
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| 06:23.59 | cyberjames | just put the two email address inside of the .forward |
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| 07:07.36 | DustyBin | on this front page, would you guys mind clicking on the 'linux' vote on BBC website |
| 07:07.39 | DustyBin | http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm |
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| 07:12.28 | Meglo | I just did, and I'm dissapointed at the poll results. :( |
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| 07:13.42 | terr_ | for some reason I can't mount a floppy. It jsut seems to hang. Any ideas? |
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| 07:14.20 | Meglo | bad floppy |
| 07:14.37 | liable | manu_hack: dunno, 12% is a pretty good percentage i think |
| 07:14.50 | liable | Meglo: ^^ |
| 07:15.00 | manu_hack | lol |
| 07:15.01 | terr_ | Meglo: don't seem to matter if I put one in or not or what one I put in. It just sits |
| 07:15.32 | RvGaTe | hmm... just recieved 8000+ emails in less then 12 hours.... |
| 07:15.35 | Meglo | bad floppy drive XD |
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| 07:19.21 | RvGaTe | I need some serious help with our qmail... qmail seemed to crash every 5minutes becouse of many connections that couldn't be handled... so within xinetd, we screwd up the allowed connections to 1000, right after that, im getting delivery failure messages all over the place (8000+)... happens to be to random adresses.... im thinking someone is using it to send spam... how can i backtrace who's trying to send all these messages from our server ? :S |
| 07:20.10 | RvGaTe | its a debian sarge running plesk.... |
| 07:21.24 | liable | RvGaTe: the mails are coming from the box? |
| 07:22.08 | RvGaTe | liable: yes |
| 07:22.15 | terr_ | Meglo: I think the fdd might have gone bad. It worked fine 2 years ago. |
| 07:22.27 | terr_ | Meglo: damn unreliable cheap hardware |
| 07:22.41 | liable | RvGaTe: eek, unplug it now before you do anything else, or you are likely to get put on a spam blacklist |
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| 07:23.15 | RvGaTe | liable: i cant, my boss will go mad |
| 07:23.20 | liable | RvGaTe: then pour over your logs to see how it may have been compromised |
| 07:23.41 | liable | RvGaTe: well, he will get even more mad if he fist his domain name has been blacklisted |
| 07:23.49 | liable | s/fist/finds/ |
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| 07:24.26 | liable | RvGaTe: havent you got another box you can setup to serve mail? |
| 07:25.14 | liable | RvGaTe: what is in the body of the mail? |
| 07:25.18 | RvGaTe | liable: its a box, completely configured, with more then 200+ domains on it.. its not easy to just transfer it... |
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| 07:25.24 | RvGaTe | liable: let me pastebin a random one |
| 07:25.36 | liable | RvGaTe: it would be if you kept backups :P |
| 07:26.02 | RvGaTe | liable: http://pastebin.com/m4d6a7980 |
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| 07:27.05 | liable | RvGaTe: if its sending that, your box has been rooted |
| 07:27.22 | RvGaTe | liable: :S |
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| 07:27.43 | RvGaTe | liable: around 8000 emails like that... |
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| 07:28.32 | liable | RvGaTe: its sending out phishing emails |
| 07:28.55 | liable | RvGaTe: if you dont unplug it, eventually your isp will. |
| 07:29.13 | RvGaTe | liable: ok... so someone is clearly using our mailserver to send spam.... now... how to stop it... :P |
| 07:29.53 | liable | RvGaTe: the usual plan of action in this case is to reinstall from trusted media |
| 07:30.40 | liable | RvGaTe: and if you can, keep the drive its on to try and do forensics to find out how it got hacked |
| 07:30.49 | Guerin | RvGaTe: is the box still live on the network? |
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| 07:31.30 | RvGaTe | Guerin: yes, and it should be, becouse the whole buisness runs on it... people order from the website running on that server... thats why unplugging it isn't really an option... |
| 07:31.38 | Guerin | RvGaTe: take it down immediately. |
| 07:31.50 | Guerin | RvGaTe: your business is legally liable for everything that box sends |
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| 07:31.51 | simonrvn | letting it run isn't an option |
| 07:31.57 | liable | RvGaTe: i hope its not still friday afternoon for you |
| 07:32.12 | dondelelcaro | it's not friday afternoon anywhere, anymore |
| 07:32.14 | liable | cause you wont be going home anytime soon |
| 07:32.19 | Meglo | Looks like somone's weekend is ruined |
| 07:32.25 | RvGaTe | :( |
| 07:32.41 | RvGaTe | let me make a phonecall to my boss first... |
| 07:32.46 | Guerin | nope |
| 07:32.49 | Guerin | you're an admin |
| 07:32.53 | Guerin | administer |
| 07:32.58 | RvGaTe | and he's my boss.... |
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| 07:32.59 | simonrvn | ethernet cable -- pull it out |
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| 07:33.18 | Lanken | hey, can anyone tell me the most minimal kde package in debian? |
| 07:33.27 | Lanken | is there something smaller than kdebase? |
| 07:33.27 | Guerin | it's letting bosses make decisions of this nature which gets boxen rooted in the first place |
| 07:33.27 | simonrvn | if it was me, i'd tell him to fuck off and let me do my job |
| 07:33.28 | dondelelcaro | the problem is that you have a machine which has been rooted; it's sending out phish, and worse, any customer data that is on it is liable to be stolen. |
| 07:33.35 | jkitchen | anyone know if it's possible to renumber a window in screen? |
| 07:33.48 | jkitchen | i have windows 0 and 15 and want to renumber the 15 to 1, if possible, heh |
| 07:33.51 | tralala | Lanken, kde-base |
| 07:33.57 | Guerin | Lanken: kde-core? might still exist. |
| 07:34.00 | Guerin | it used to |
| 07:34.12 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: so you need to explain to your boss what has happened, figure out what the exposure is, and contact any customers if there is credit card information on that machine. |
| 07:34.35 | dondelelcaro | (or anything else that your customers might not want others to know about) |
| 07:34.41 | Lanken | Guerin: it does. |
| 07:34.57 | Guerin | RvGaTe: and tell him to advise your lawyers ;( |
| 07:34.59 | dondelelcaro | (after taking immediate action to minimize any further spread) |
| 07:35.07 | Meglo | Unplug it, but have your boss make the call on informing customers |
| 07:36.14 | Lanken | Guerin: from the description, it's equivalent to gentoo's kdebase-startkde |
| 07:36.20 | Lanken | Guerin: which is exactly what I want :) |
| 07:36.28 | Guerin | Lanken: huzzah! |
| 07:37.07 | Guerin | RvGaTe: oh ... and start documenting your actions. |
| 07:37.15 | Guerin | (if you haven't already) |
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| 07:37.29 | Lanken | Guerin: this is for use in graphical administration of a remote VPS with minimal specs. |
| 07:37.34 | Guerin | if nothing else it'll be useful at your next performance review ;) |
| 07:37.45 | Guerin | Lanken: eew. |
| 07:37.58 | Lanken | Guerin: so I'm going to be bending over backwards to avoid using more ram than I need to. hence konqueror instead of ff. |
| 07:38.20 | Lanken | Guerin: it's a necessary evil. My local machine is behind two nasty firewalls. |
| 07:38.24 | Guerin | deploying kde to minimise ram usage? |
| 07:38.28 | simonrvn | i do that everyday, but konq sucks for web dev :( |
| 07:38.29 | Guerin | a curious concept. |
| 07:38.35 | jkitchen | Guerin: i was thinking the same thing :) |
| 07:38.40 | jkitchen | Lanken: why not use fluxbox and dillo |
| 07:38.57 | enouf | links2 -g ftw |
| 07:39.08 | Guerin | use a local x server and remote apps |
| 07:39.16 | Guerin | xdmcp FTW |
| 07:39.22 | Lanken | jkitchen: javascript. I need a full-featured browser. and konqueror should be fine on 128 MB ram. |
| 07:39.30 | enouf | cat is my browser |
| 07:39.32 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:39.40 | simonrvn | enouf: hehe |
| 07:39.42 | Meglo | elinks supports javascript and I hear you can do banking from it with some banks |
| 07:39.46 | Guerin | yes, well, firefox will be fine on 128MB as well ... as long as you're not running kde too |
| 07:40.08 | enouf | links2 -g does javascript and plugins |
| 07:40.17 | enouf | er even without the -g |
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| 07:40.54 | Lanken | enouf: hmm, I'll have to give it a look. |
| 07:40.55 | enouf | but most sites are broken and coded by apes and use mpoop's jscript, which is not supported |
| 07:41.16 | enouf | Lanken: it's worth ti .. and fast .. has nice options .. hold a sec |
| 07:41.44 | enouf | Lanken: http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html |
| 07:41.57 | Meglo | Does it have inline image support with -g D: |
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| 07:42.56 | Lanken | http://links.twibright.com/images/links.png is baller |
| 07:43.04 | Lanken | 500px square, awesome. |
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| 07:44.11 | RvGaTe | you guys sure that i need to reinstall the whole server? and not just fix this... ? |
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| 07:44.42 | Guerin | RvGaTe: absolutely 100% certain. |
| 07:44.51 | simonrvn | seconded |
| 07:45.03 | Guerin | reinstalling will be at least an order of magnitude faster than even figuring out what happened. |
| 07:45.37 | Guerin | and as liable said - save the disks, or at least disk images - so you can do forensics on them |
| 07:45.46 | simonrvn | you could stick in another identical drive reinstall on that, then audit at your leisure |
| 07:45.53 | liable | RvGaTe: installing isnt what takes time, its the setting up. you can backup your configs safely if they are text from the old box. (after vetting them, if you dont have backups ready to go) |
| 07:46.14 | Lanken | Guerin: I was wrong about kde-core..it's bigger than kdebase. it adds arts to kdebase. |
| 07:46.48 | Guerin | Lanken: oh. Roll on kde4, where arts is relegated to the bitbucket of history, from whence it should never have emerged. |
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| 07:47.27 | enouf | RvGaTe: eww ... 529. href="http://paypal-access.land.ru/cgi_bin/webscr/cmd=_login-run" target=_blank> <-- do NOT click that!!! |
| 07:47.28 | Lanken | Guerin: word. Anyhow, kdebase is a metapackage and I'm just going to go through cutting out the bits I don't want. |
| 07:47.44 | simonrvn | oh motherfucker... |
| 07:48.26 | simonrvn | not even good html either (weird thing to say, but it's true) |
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| 07:49.19 | streuner | Guerin: i missed all rugby games..., but tomorrow it comes something BETTER ;-) |
| 07:49.26 | Guerin | streuner: league? |
| 07:49.27 | enouf | simonrvn: the line right before that is ; 525. <P>To update your PayPal records click on the following link:<BR><A ..lol |
| 07:49.28 | streuner | Guerin: "Ribery" ;-) |
| 07:49.38 | RvGaTe | ok, thx guys/.... |
| 07:49.43 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 07:49.45 | Guerin | streuner: is that like library? |
| 07:49.48 | simonrvn | RvGaTe: good luck |
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| 07:50.16 | liable | RvGaTe: and install etch this time! :P |
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| 07:50.31 | streuner | Guerin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franck_Rib%C3%A9ry |
| 07:50.41 | liable | not thats its sarges fault.. |
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| 07:51.04 | Guerin | streuner: ah. who are BM playing? |
| 07:51.25 | streuner | yes |
| 07:51.58 | Guerin | `yes' is not an answer to a `who' question./ |
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| 07:52.30 | streuner | Guerin: pardon? |
| 07:52.42 | enouf | RvGaTe: note; amongst many other ways and more intense "forensic" apps/software, ...IIRC, grml.org has a 'forensic' boot option, just a FYI |
| 07:52.51 | Guerin | streuner: against which team will M. Ribery take the field tomorrow? |
| 07:53.01 | streuner | Guerin: he plays for Bayern Muinch |
| 07:53.13 | tralala | streuner, not enough sleep? |
| 07:53.16 | Guerin | streuner: so I realise. Who are they playing *against*? |
| 07:53.17 | Lanken | Guerin, enoufː it would make sense to leave out hal, riɡhtʔ the hardware abstraction layer is not needed if I don't have physical access to the machine |
| 07:53.42 | streuner | Guerin: oh, Borussia Dortmund |
| 07:53.50 | Guerin | !beer streuner |
| 07:53.52 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 07:53.59 | Guerin | how appropriate |
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| 07:54.35 | enouf | Lanken: hrm, .. could be used for system info though, and more . .any particular reason? <something> needs to be really small? |
| 07:54.46 | streuner | We need a "haka-dance-smite" ;-) |
| 07:54.54 | Guerin | !kiwismite streuner |
| 07:54.55 | Lanken | point taken |
| 07:54.56 | enouf | heh |
| 07:55.17 | streuner | enough: dont know about "Haka"? ;-) |
| 07:55.18 | simonrvn | ugh, i hate it when i get all hoarse from the singing |
| 07:55.39 | Lanken | enouf: I even decided to leave konsole in, I just left out obvious stuff like printing software. |
| 07:55.50 | streuner | s/enough/enouf/ |
| 07:56.02 | Lanken | enouf: and ktip, the thing that pops up those annoying messages until you disable it on first run. |
| 07:56.05 | enouf | omg, not sting and that bulgarian/slovic lutist? please no ..kthxbai O.o |
| 07:56.36 | enouf | Lanken: ok, whatever .. sure |
| 07:57.10 | streuner | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haka_of_the_All_Blacks |
| 07:58.29 | enouf | streuner: ahhh! thew chicken dance O.o |
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| 08:01.05 | enouf | or... maybe they just can't afford cheerleaders? |
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| 08:05.49 | fuzzy | can someone point me to a method to force udev to lock iscsi targets to a major / minor block device? |
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| 08:10.57 | Matic`Makovec | Hello there. Is there any official "sources.list maker" ? |
| 08:11.18 | streuner | $editor /etc/apt/sources.list ;-) |
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| 08:11.36 | streuner | !apt-setup |
| 08:11.36 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
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| 08:15.08 | streuner | Matic`Makovec: you need only 2 lines - NOT MORE |
| 08:15.39 | streuner | Matic`Makovec: ONE _official_ source and one line for security.debian.org - thats usually enough... |
| 08:16.45 | streuner | Matic`Makovec: deb http://ftp.<TLD>.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 08:17.08 | streuner | Matic`Makovec: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main |
| 08:17.11 | Matic`Makovec | Alrigt, thanks |
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| 08:22.34 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 08:24.59 | DukeDrake | I just copied my debian distro to another machine with cp -a , which I though ought to work as permissions etc. are kept in place. |
| 08:25.16 | DukeDrake | However, when I try to boot it it stops after loading the soundblaster :/ |
| 08:25.21 | tralala | !clone |
| 08:25.21 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 08:25.26 | tralala | meh |
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| 08:25.28 | tralala | !clode debian |
| 08:25.30 | DukeDrake | ^^ |
| 08:25.33 | tralala | !clone debian |
| 08:26.12 | tralala | !aptitude clone |
| 08:26.12 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 08:26.51 | tralala | DukeDrake, this is how you do it |
| 08:26.54 | DukeDrake | tralala: wow ... awesome o.o |
| 08:27.13 | tralala | of course you need internet connection or cd/dvd set |
| 08:27.16 | DukeDrake | Though I'd also be interested, why it just 'stops' there. i.e. what it would load 'after' the soundblaster? |
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| 08:28.05 | tralala | DukeDrake, cp is *not* a way to duplicate your install |
| 08:28.27 | gary4gar | how to fix this |
| 08:28.28 | gary4gar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.43 | gary4gar | E: Broken packages |
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| 08:30.17 | tralala | DukeDrake, if want to run it on an exact copy of the hardware you have you can just do an image copy of the hard disk to the new hard disk (using dd) |
| 08:30.23 | DukeDrake | tralala: the thing is, I only want to duplicate the 'system', not the ... well .. music and stuff . |
| 08:30.44 | tralala | DukeDrake, very well - aptitude will do just that |
| 08:31.05 | tralala | and will do it the most proper way |
| 08:31.17 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 08:31.17 | tralala | of course you'll need a base install on the other system |
| 08:31.33 | DukeDrake | he - that's just what I wanted to ask right now |
| 08:31.46 | DukeDrake | the other system has no cd drive, network only. |
| 08:32.23 | DukeDrake | I was planning to supply the clone directly to the harddrive |
| 08:32.25 | tralala | DukeDrake, take the hard disk out, put it on a system with a cd and do a base install |
| 08:33.31 | DukeDrake | too complicated |
| 08:33.45 | tralala | what's installed there right now? |
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| 08:34.05 | DukeDrake | nothing ... well the copy of the debian system |
| 08:34.24 | DukeDrake | There'S probably only a configuration wrong or a file missing. |
| 08:35.23 | tralala | and how did you make this copy? |
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| 08:36.11 | DukeDrake | I copied basedir by basedir with cp -a, except for /home, and /proc |
| 08:36.25 | tralala | DukeDrake, over the network? |
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| 08:37.28 | DukeDrake | no ... the system works with compact flash so I mounted it in the 'source system' |
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| 08:39.17 | DukeDrake | btw: the new system has the same hardware except fo the harddrive) |
| 08:39.21 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 08:39.31 | tralala | DukeDrake, the most reliable way is aptitude clone |
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| 08:39.37 | DukeDrake | I guess I remember now, what I did wrong ... hang on. |
| 08:39.50 | tralala | You've got a number of choices for base install without a cd - go for one of them |
| 08:40.01 | RvGaTe | almost got my ass fired there... |
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| 08:40.31 | DukeDrake | o.o |
| 08:40.38 | DukeDrake | What you're doing? |
| 08:40.56 | RvGaTe | watching porn.... lol, nah.. |
| 08:41.01 | tralala | getting zombified |
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| 08:41.21 | tralala | got zombified, actually |
| 08:41.38 | DukeDrake | o.o |
| 08:42.08 | simonrvn | AKA r00ted |
| 08:42.14 | simonrvn | :( |
| 08:42.32 | simonrvn | that always sucks |
| 08:42.58 | tralala | the default ssh config should come with password auth disabled |
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| 08:43.38 | liable | dunno why they haven't done that |
| 08:43.54 | giammarc | hello, I have a boot problem |
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| 08:44.15 | RvGaTe | giammarc: seemed to work fine.... or you talking about a different box? :P |
| 08:44.26 | giammarc | if I build the ramdisk without yaird |
| 08:44.33 | giammarc | no my box... |
| 08:44.46 | gary4gar | how to fix this |
| 08:44.47 | giammarc | ah no I understood... |
| 08:44.51 | gary4gar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.56 | gary4gar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.08 | tralala | gary4gar, etch? |
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| 08:45.20 | gary4gar | tralala, lenny |
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| 08:45.34 | DukeDrake | re |
| 08:45.36 | giammarc | the problem is that if I do not build the ram disk with yaird I obtain that the root filesystems remains read only so boot process stop |
| 08:45.45 | tralala | gary4gar, you wait for new libgtk version to be accepted |
| 08:45.46 | DukeDrake | "unable to mount devfs" - any hints? |
| 08:45.59 | gary4gar | tralala, means?? |
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| 08:46.19 | tralala | gary4gar, means that lenny has broken dependencies |
| 08:46.41 | gary4gar | tralala, does sid also have this problem? |
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| 08:47.06 | tralala | gary4gar, probably not. It might have much worse problems, though. |
| 08:47.29 | gary4gar | tralala, so how long i have to wait? |
| 08:47.35 | gary4gar | tralala, month year? |
| 08:47.39 | gary4gar | how much? |
| 08:48.32 | slidesinger | Is there a way to tell where a program expects to find its config file when one has not yet been created by the instal process? |
| 08:48.42 | tralala | until it's fixed. Up to a couple of weeks I suppose |
| 08:49.22 | slidesinger | *install* |
| 08:49.37 | gary4gar | tralala, till how do my avi files? |
| 08:49.39 | cydork | gary4gar: are you sure that package is from lenny repo and not from debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 08:50.06 | gary4gar | cydork,lemme check |
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| 08:50.12 | DukeDrake | slidesinger: consult the REAMDE? |
| 08:50.21 | giammarc | how can I force initramfs to put root filesystems in read/write mode? |
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| 08:51.17 | gary4gar | cyberbaze`, its from debian-multimedia repo |
| 08:51.55 | cydork | gary4gar: then install the one from lenny repo |
| 08:52.14 | slidesinger | Did that, in this case it doesn't provide a definitive answer mentioning /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/default/wpa_supplicant |
| 08:52.27 | gary4gar | cyberbaze`, how? |
| 08:52.57 | cydork | gary4gar: aptitude install mplayer=version-in-lenny |
| 08:53.13 | tralala | gary4gar, the easiest way - by using the aptitude's UI |
| 08:55.10 | gary4gar | Guys i got some bit errors:( |
| 08:55.16 | gary4gar | wait pasting it |
| 08:55.48 | slidesinger | I was basically wondering if there was something along the lines of thw which command that you use to find where it is being called from or the type command which tells you what kind of program it is. I figured there must be some command that tells you what the compiled defaults of the program are, including where it is looking for config files. Hmmmm. |
| 08:56.00 | gary4gar | http://pastebin.ca/751364 |
| 08:56.06 | gary4gar | cydork, tralala |
| 08:56.46 | cydork | gary4gar: i meant the actual version in lenny.. |
| 08:56.51 | cydork | !info mplayer etch |
| 08:56.54 | tralala | gary4gar, you were supposed to replace "version-in-lenny" with the actual version number |
| 08:56.58 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 4317 kB, Installed size: 9524 kB |
| 08:56.59 | cydork | !info mplayer lenny |
| 08:57.03 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-16 (lenny), Packaged size: 4504 kB, Installed size: 10184 kB |
| 08:57.13 | tralala | but really, just use the UI (and read the help) |
| 08:57.37 | giammarc | so no hope for my boot, why yaird make a ramdisk that let's me boot and initramfs make a ramdisk that makes root always read only? |
| 08:57.56 | tralala | giammarc, etch? |
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| 08:58.18 | giammarc | testing/unstable mix, but it is several time I have this error |
| 08:58.46 | giammarc | using yaird I solved it, but I am worried |
| 08:58.57 | tralala | check/report a but |
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| 08:59.02 | giammarc | initramfs let me suspend to disk for example and yaird not |
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| 08:59.06 | tralala | a bug, that is |
| 08:59.16 | giammarc | no my debian is too old and |
| 08:59.36 | giammarc | customized I cannot patch a bug, I am searching for an hint |
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| 09:00.16 | tralala | debug the initrd image from initramfs |
| 09:01.35 | giammarc | how? |
| 09:02.58 | tralala | insert "echo" statements around the code responsible for mounting rw and watch it boot |
| 09:03.39 | tralala | meaningful echo statements - displaying some information that's normally not displayed |
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| 09:04.17 | tralala | the initramfs generates a gzipped cpio archive - unpack it, modify it, repack it and watch it boot |
| 09:04.17 | rokra | hello |
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| 09:05.20 | giammarc | ah ok not real time debug |
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| 09:05.38 | giammarc | no sorry realtime debug with echo |
| 09:05.48 | giammarc | diy log |
| 09:06.13 | tralala | there might be better ways but I'm not aware of any |
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| 09:06.17 | giammarc | I will try |
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| 09:07.11 | giammarc | I add a thing: I have tried initNG and guess what? with initramfs and with yaird initng boots readonly.... |
| 09:07.13 | tralala | using qemu might save you a number of reboots |
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| 09:07.21 | giammarc | ah ok qemu |
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| 09:08.27 | tralala | initng is highly experimental afaik |
| 09:09.51 | giammarc | yes but curiously it shows again my problem |
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| 09:22.30 | DukeDrake | say ... can I manually make my power LED flash? |
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| 09:23.05 | xingu | DukeDrake: sure! just reach for the power switch... |
| 09:25.30 | xtor_ | my debian box gets its IP from DHCP and also gets its nameservers assigned via dhcp..is there any way for me to force it to use localhost as my caching bind9 DNS server? |
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| 09:27.07 | tralala | xtor_, man dhclient.conf |
| 09:27.29 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:27.29 | dpkg | i heard qotd196 is * Guerin was enough drunks last night |
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| 09:27.58 | roadboy | i'm having problems with dpkg. how can i fix this? http://pastebin.ca/751370 |
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| 09:28.52 | tarzeau | roadboy: what does this say? lsb_release -c |
| 09:29.06 | tarzeau | roadboy: wait you're on sarge? |
| 09:29.10 | roadboy | it's sarge |
| 09:29.17 | tarzeau | roadboy: it's old-stable |
| 09:29.32 | tarzeau | roadboy: did you ever use other repos? |
| 09:29.50 | roadboy | no i didn't tried |
| 09:29.57 | tralala | roadboy, is your disk full? |
| 09:29.58 | roadboy | i'll just try now |
| 09:30.03 | roadboy | no not full |
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| 09:32.09 | liable | !comfort RvGaTe |
| 09:32.10 | dpkg | There, there, RvGaTe. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:32.19 | roadboy | tarzeau, i've just tried another mirror but nothing changed |
| 09:33.30 | tarzeau | roadboy: you don't want to upgrade to etch? |
| 09:33.39 | roadboy | i think dpkg got broken fully |
| 09:34.01 | xand | DukeDrake: no |
| 09:34.02 | roadboy | it's a server of our customer and we have to install/remove some applications on it |
| 09:34.32 | roadboy | they're using suckin' plesk and i don't know if it will get broken if i upgrade to etch |
| 09:34.51 | tarzeau | roadboy: bad luck :( |
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| 09:35.11 | roadboy | yes, very bad luck :( |
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| 09:36.34 | kozaffka | hello |
| 09:36.47 | kozaffka | helpm me without mount ntfs |
| 09:36.56 | tralala | roadboy, what happens if you try to manually install this package with dpkg -i? |
| 09:38.03 | kozaffka | anybody help me? |
| 09:38.14 | kozaffka | me need mount ntfs hdd |
| 09:38.18 | Hoxzer | dir |
| 09:38.30 | kozaffka | /mnt/hdd |
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| 09:39.20 | lsusr | someone can tell me, how to reset the graphs of munin? |
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| 09:42.38 | roadboy | tralala, same error again |
| 09:42.50 | tralala | any more details? |
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| 09:43.13 | SoulChild | i have a problem with my vesa-buffer, i have a samsung WXGA Notebook, X runs on 1280x800 which is the optimal resoloution, but hwinfo --framebuffer does not list 1280x800 , does that mean that my framebuffer does not support that res??? |
| 09:43.22 | eth01 | which version of apache will ETCH install? |
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| 09:44.03 | tralala | !info apache etch |
| 09:44.04 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
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| 09:44.07 | tralala | !info apache2 etch |
| 09:44.08 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 09:45.00 | tralala | SoulChild, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 09:45.03 | LarsS | Hi, anyone know if Grub on lvm is possible wihtout separate boot partition? |
| 09:45.29 | tralala | no, grub can't read lvm on its own |
| 09:46.41 | LarsS | ok, thanks. |
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| 09:50.30 | mikes3 | Go debian:) |
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| 09:51.43 | mikes3 | Debian make an installable live cd? |
| 09:51.48 | DukeDrake | say ... can I manually make my power LED flash? |
| 09:53.19 | tralala | DukeDrake, you can't |
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| 09:55.41 | DukeDrake | kk |
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| 09:56.27 | Meglo | If you knew some basic electronics you could |
| 09:56.59 | volxfront | test |
| 09:57.08 | volxfront | Guten Morgen |
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| 09:57.34 | tralala | |
| 09:57.49 | volxfront | oh is this a english channel? |
| 09:58.04 | DukeDrake | volxfront: ja |
| 09:58.18 | volxfront | thx |
| 09:58.31 | mikes3 | volxfront, yes :) |
| 09:58.54 | mikes3 | thinking of installing Lenny |
| 09:58.57 | mikes3 | hmm |
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| 09:59.26 | SoulChild | i have a problem with my vesa-buffer, i have a samsung WXGA Notebook, X runs on 1280x800 which is the optimal resoloution, but hwinfo --framebuffer does not list 1280x800 , does that mean that my framebuffer does not support that res??? |
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| 10:00.10 | tralala | SoulChild, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 10:00.15 | mikes3 | SoulChild, What graphic's? |
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| 10:00.24 | lsusr | someone can tell me, how to reset the graphs of munin? |
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| 10:00.33 | SoulChild | mike3, what do you mean ? |
| 10:00.48 | mikes3 | ati/Nvidia,,/ |
| 10:01.37 | SoulChild | mikes3 intel 965 |
| 10:02.35 | mikes3 | SoulChild, 4.0/Etch? |
| 10:03.04 | SoulChild | lenny |
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| 10:03.36 | mikes3 | glxgears run ok? |
| 10:04.25 | mikes3 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver xorg |
| 10:04.27 | SoulChild | mikes3 : yes |
| 10:04.33 | mikes3 | as # |
| 10:04.46 | mikes3 | konsole |
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| 10:05.12 | SoulChild | mikes3: i only mean the grub parameter vga,... gnome and xserver runs okay,... i just want to have my virtual console also on 1280x800 |
| 10:05.39 | mikes3 | oh ok sorry understood/ |
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| 10:06.09 | mikes3 | SoulChild, That makes it one hell good Q |
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| 10:06.30 | SoulChild | :D |
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| 10:08.12 | ErichDotzer | SoulChild: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html |
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| 10:09.03 | ErichDotzer | SoulChild: you append to your kernel line in grub "vga=" plus the value taken from the table in that FAQ for your desired resolution |
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| 10:09.35 | SoulChild | ErichDotzer: I know that but 1280x800 is not supported although my X runs which that res |
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| 10:10.12 | ErichDotzer | SoulChild: when your desired resolution is not supported it is not supported. feel free to implement it in the code. |
| 10:10.42 | rrk | where are the net modules from within the install i need to modprobe an usb network driver? |
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| 10:12.29 | tralala | rrk, modprobe -l |
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| 10:13.18 | wubbla | how can i prevent a kernel module to be loaded on startup? |
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| 10:13.26 | rrk | i can not find any network card modules from within the installer and the installer won't find my usb network adapter |
| 10:15.14 | vort3x | wubbla: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 10:15.46 | tralala | rrk, you're out of luck |
| 10:16.14 | wubbla | vort3x: i've already added the modules to this list but that didn't help.. |
| 10:16.57 | rrk | the modules have to be somewhere but they are not at /lib/kernel/ 2.6.18/drivers there is not even a net dir |
| 10:17.31 | vort3x | wubbla: did you reboot? and it still got loaded? |
| 10:17.45 | rrk | the installer has to have them somewhere |
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| 10:18.22 | wubbla | ahh |
| 10:18.29 | wubbla | found a solution: http://wiki.debian.org/udev |
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| 10:23.18 | dante_2core | hey everyone |
| 10:23.27 | dante_2core | just wanted to pass by and thank everyone for the great work :D |
| 10:23.55 | dante_2core | I'm having a great time installing debian on an old box (about the fifth debian box in my house :D) |
| 10:25.05 | dante_2core | rrk, stillthere? |
| 10:25.08 | dante_2core | still there* |
| 10:25.09 | rrk | yes |
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| 10:26.02 | dante_2core | I already used an usb-ethernet adapter to do an installation iirc |
| 10:26.12 | dante_2core | do you have any other boxes available? |
| 10:26.16 | rrk | yes |
| 10:26.21 | dante_2core | do they have on board networking? |
| 10:26.24 | dante_2core | or network cards? |
| 10:26.29 | rrk | yes |
| 10:26.34 | dante_2core | which? :D |
| 10:26.46 | dante_2core | if you can get any network card from somewhere |
| 10:26.53 | dante_2core | it'd be faster to just put that in for the installation |
| 10:27.00 | dante_2core | because the usb adapters can become a pain |
| 10:27.50 | rrk | no the box i'm working on is an amd pic all i have is usb ports |
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| 10:28.02 | dante_2core | darn |
| 10:28.06 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 10:28.10 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 10:28.12 | Ace2016 | anyone here use initng? |
| 10:28.12 | dante_2core | hey |
| 10:28.16 | dante_2core | nah |
| 10:28.28 | dante_2core | rrk, you could try and download some full cd images |
| 10:28.31 | Ace2016 | anyone here use fbsplash or anything like that with their kernel? |
| 10:28.47 | dante_2core | Ace2016, nope, do you have trouble with it? |
| 10:28.49 | rrk | it is a RTL8051 which is common |
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| 10:29.00 | dante_2core | rrk, chipset? |
| 10:29.02 | rrk | no on the cd maybe 1 |
| 10:29.14 | Ace2016 | i want to know how to install fbsplash or whatever the bootsplash theme system that debian has |
| 10:29.22 | rrk | realtek |
| 10:29.32 | dante_2core | Ace2016, you have to patch the kernel afaik |
| 10:29.43 | dante_2core | rrk, so, usb-to-ethernet realtek adapter? |
| 10:29.49 | rrk | yes |
| 10:29.51 | giammarc | tralala, I have debugged yaird and initramfs and it is incredible they do the same |
| 10:29.53 | dante_2core | ok. |
| 10:29.55 | giammarc | they mount root ro |
| 10:29.56 | Ace2016 | oh not again, that was a disaster when i treid it on ubuntu |
| 10:30.19 | dante_2core | Ace2016, you can also try and get kernels that already have that thing patched in, google for it |
| 10:30.30 | dante_2core | rrk, wait, i'll have a look what brand /chipset mine is |
| 10:30.31 | dante_2core | brb |
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| 10:30.40 | Ace2016 | i was thinking of making a gentoo chroot and get it to make me a nice kernel |
| 10:31.19 | rrk | sarge supported it |
| 10:32.01 | rrk | what is trowing me for a loop is i can not find any network modules from within the installer shell |
| 10:32.25 | Ace2016 | rrk: whats wrong? |
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| 10:33.13 | Ace2016 | Can i just ask |
| 10:33.29 | Ace2016 | do people have sid, lenny and etch all in their repos or just sid? |
| 10:33.31 | rrk | the installer will not find my usb to ethernet adapter and when i go looking for the network driver modules from when in the installer shell i can not find them |
| 10:33.43 | Ace2016 | installer in etch? |
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| 10:34.01 | rrk | yes on a usb jump drive |
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| 10:34.26 | dimir | Moin! |
| 10:34.31 | rrk | for a net install |
| 10:35.01 | Ace2016 | have you tried the daily builds and the testing installers? or just the stable installer, |
| 10:35.08 | rrk | yep |
| 10:35.31 | rrk | sid and etch |
| 10:36.02 | dante_2core | re |
| 10:36.09 | Ace2016 | re? |
| 10:36.11 | dante_2core | rrk, dammit can't find it |
| 10:36.13 | dante_2core | re = returned |
| 10:36.20 | dante_2core | I returned, that is |
| 10:36.20 | rrk | ok |
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| 10:37.14 | dante_2core | rrk, I could not find the adapter, though -.- |
| 10:38.04 | dante_2core | rrk, then install sarge and then dist-upgrade? |
| 10:38.05 | rrk | i have 1 gig usb drive i suppose i could try to get the first cd on it but i don't know if that will be any different than the netiso |
| 10:38.55 | dante_2core | rrk, you said sarge supported it |
| 10:39.10 | dante_2core | you could get a sarge installer, install then and then change your sources and dist-upgrade? |
| 10:39.35 | rrk | yes if i remember correctly the sarge installer would load the network |
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| 10:39.59 | rrk | dsl will also |
| 10:40.07 | dante_2core | rrk, have you done that before? upgrading the distro? |
| 10:40.11 | dante_2core | like, from sarge to etch |
| 10:40.13 | dante_2core | or to lenny |
| 10:40.14 | rrk | yep |
| 10:40.26 | dante_2core | would that be a possibility? |
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| 10:40.31 | rrk | the box im on started with woody |
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| 10:40.41 | dante_2core | :D |
| 10:40.55 | rrk | and have not had to wipe it yet |
| 10:41.07 | dante_2core | I would dist-upgrade to lenny and then do a custom kernel that supports your adapter |
| 10:41.10 | dante_2core | adaptor* |
| 10:41.28 | rrk | it is a usb module |
| 10:41.40 | dante_2core | hmn |
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| 10:41.57 | rrk | and i don't think the installer enables hotplug that early |
| 10:42.14 | dante_2core | is it necessary to reinstall? |
| 10:42.22 | dante_2core | not possible to just upgrade the old linux? |
| 10:42.36 | rrk | no i'm not on that box |
| 10:42.40 | dante_2core | aah |
| 10:42.58 | dante_2core | so you are installing a debian on a box which does not have any other debian on it yet |
| 10:43.10 | rrk | yes |
| 10:43.14 | dante_2core | and your problem is that the box does not have any possibility to connect to the internet besides the usb adaptor |
| 10:43.21 | rrk | yes |
| 10:43.26 | dante_2core | you could download a sarge install cd |
| 10:43.31 | dante_2core | they are still online I think |
| 10:43.37 | dante_2core | and then install sarge, and upgrade that sarge |
| 10:43.44 | rrk | i know where they are |
| 10:43.56 | dante_2core | then go and try :D |
| 10:44.32 | rrk | do you know howto make a cd bootable from a pen drive? |
| 10:44.47 | dante_2core | oh |
| 10:44.51 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 10:44.54 | dante_2core | no cd drive too? |
| 10:44.59 | rrk | yep |
| 10:45.05 | dante_2core | exciting :D |
| 10:45.11 | rrk | interesting |
| 10:45.13 | dante_2core | no I don't, actually |
| 10:45.17 | dante_2core | but... |
| 10:45.17 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 10:45.20 | dante_2core | lemme think |
| 10:45.44 | dante_2core | you have usb. |
| 10:45.48 | dante_2core | you have a pendrive |
| 10:45.48 | rrk | yep |
| 10:45.49 | dante_2core | 1 gb |
| 10:45.51 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 10:45.54 | rrk | yep |
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| 10:46.14 | dante_2core | http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 10:46.24 | terr_ | what is the name of the ssh deamon? |
| 10:46.50 | dante_2core | ssh? (no joke) |
| 10:47.05 | dante_2core | ah no |
| 10:47.09 | dante_2core | /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 10:47.20 | dante_2core | rrk, damn, it's an amd box, rite? |
| 10:47.22 | rrk | how about chroot into a hardisk image i can boot DSL just fine with network |
| 10:47.25 | dante_2core | so you can't choose i386 |
| 10:47.43 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 10:47.44 | rrk | yes 386 will work |
| 10:47.49 | dante_2core | then try that link |
| 10:47.50 | dante_2core | http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 10:48.00 | dante_2core | I have never tried that yet, to be honest |
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| 10:48.24 | dante_2core | terr_, it's /usr/sbin/sshd, and the init script is /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 10:49.20 | rrk | yes thanks that is the one i started with i'll go try some things thanks for the help |
| 10:49.30 | terr_ | dante_2core: yup. FOund it. Sometime since 2005 the daemon died. Go figure. Damn unreliable software. |
| 10:49.46 | dante_2core | terr_, lol? ^^ |
| 10:50.13 | dante_2core | rrk, well then, good luck! |
| 10:50.22 | rrk | ok |
| 10:50.32 | rrk | bye |
| 10:51.15 | terr_ | dante_2core: problem solved. rsync was failing. Go figure eh? no sshd in the target machine |
| 10:51.23 | dante_2core | :D |
| 10:51.25 | dante_2core | grats |
| 10:51.34 | terr_ | its copied across now |
| 10:51.38 | dante_2core | good |
| 10:52.24 | dante_2core | oh am I stupid |
| 10:52.28 | dante_2core | rtk is gone :( |
| 10:52.42 | dante_2core | he could have installed his system on another box and then just copied it to the other one |
| 10:52.46 | dante_2core | and then update it |
| 10:52.47 | dante_2core | :( |
| 10:53.20 | tralala | giammarc, erm... shouldn't they mount it rw before passing the control to init? |
| 10:53.50 | giammarc | they look at the grub kernel parameters line |
| 10:54.07 | terr_ | dante_2core: this might take a while. 56000 files to rsync |
| 10:54.13 | giammarc | there usually there is the option "ro" |
| 10:54.18 | dante_2core | terr_, well... |
| 10:54.32 | dante_2core | terr_, better a while than not work at all |
| 10:54.34 | giammarc | because I have read that root should start ro |
| 10:54.42 | tralala | yes, that's correct |
| 10:54.55 | giammarc | but with initramfs then it persists to ro |
| 10:55.12 | giammarc | btw I tried to change ro in rw in grub, nothing changhes |
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| 10:56.49 | tralala | giammarc, you shouldn't |
| 10:57.00 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 10:57.00 | giammarc | yes |
| 10:57.05 | tralala | it seems that /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh is responsible for remounting rw |
| 10:57.06 | dante_2core | hi |
| 10:57.22 | giammarc | ah ok I will check there what happens |
| 10:57.39 | giammarc | I have root on lvm perhaps it receives wrong informations |
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| 10:58.42 | giammarc | I will check thanks |
| 10:58.53 | tralala | giammarc, I have root on lvm too and it works fine |
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| 10:59.02 | giammarc | sigh... |
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| 11:02.20 | wandaa | what would be the best / easiest command line torrent proggy for debian? |
| 11:02.33 | SpeedyG | qtorrent |
| 11:02.34 | SpeedyG | iirc |
| 11:02.40 | SpeedyG | or it was rtorrent |
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| 11:06.04 | wandaa | and how do I add myself to the sudoers list? :P |
| 11:06.05 | wandaa | :( |
| 11:06.07 | wandaa | Im a total nab |
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| 11:08.30 | dante_2core | wandaa, |
| 11:08.34 | DawnLight | wandaa: man visudo and start crying |
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| 11:09.07 | dante_2core | wandaa, man visudo, and everyone begins one time :D |
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| 11:12.27 | wandaa | man visudo? :F |
| 11:12.59 | wandaa | oh |
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| 11:13.01 | wandaa | tried it |
| 11:13.26 | wandaa | how do I log out of root? :P |
| 11:13.33 | wandaa | Im scared Im gonna destroy something :< |
| 11:13.33 | SpeedyG | exit |
| 11:13.34 | SpeedyG | :) |
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| 11:14.00 | wandaa | lol... |
| 11:14.26 | wandaa | doesn't work |
| 11:14.38 | SpeedyG | what does 'whoami' return? |
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| 11:14.50 | TrueDD | wandaa, you must log on root at least one time to add your user in sudoers |
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| 11:15.41 | wandaa | k |
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| 11:16.46 | TrueDD | cause only root can add users in sudoers |
| 11:17.31 | wandaa | yeh... |
| 11:17.41 | wandaa | I reallly dont understand that visudo thing |
| 11:17.45 | wandaa | gotta read the manual again :F |
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| 11:17.55 | TrueDD | :) |
| 11:18.13 | wandaa | I tried visudo -f toni in this case :< |
| 11:18.30 | wandaa | but it just opened a new odd toni.bmp or something like that :G |
| 11:18.39 | cafuego | RUDE, I TELLS YA! |
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| 11:20.13 | dante_2core | wandaa, you can also nano /etc/sudoers |
| 11:20.19 | dante_2core | nano /etc/sudoers |
| 11:20.23 | wandaa | what should I add btw? |
| 11:20.24 | dante_2core | and then add the stuff manually |
| 11:20.26 | wandaa | into the file... :F |
| 11:20.27 | dante_2core | well |
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| 11:20.34 | dante_2core | what do you want your user to be able to do as root? |
| 11:20.35 | wandaa | I want my account "toni" to be able to sudo :< |
| 11:20.43 | wandaa | well... install stuff mainly? |
| 11:20.49 | wandaa | apt-get install <stuff> |
| 11:21.10 | wandaa | and change chmods and simple stuff like that |
| 11:21.31 | TrueDD | no wandaa |
| 11:21.36 | wandaa | ? |
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| 11:22.17 | TrueDD | you have juste to add you user in sudoers by using visudo |
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| 11:22.30 | TrueDD | baut for that, you must be root |
| 11:22.40 | TrueDD | s/baut/but/ |
| 11:22.40 | wandaa | I am root atm |
| 11:22.46 | TrueDD | ok, |
| 11:22.57 | TrueDD | then type visudo |
| 11:23.01 | wandaa | but I dunno what to write into the file |
| 11:23.05 | wandaa | yes... already done that |
| 11:23.12 | wandaa | im a total beginner ;) |
| 11:23.16 | dante_2core | TrueDD, you can also nano the sudoers file, it's just not that great |
| 11:23.18 | dante_2core | wandaa, |
| 11:23.19 | dante_2core | actually |
| 11:23.23 | dante_2core | you install software as root |
| 11:23.25 | dante_2core | and not as user |
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| 11:23.38 | wandaa | then what is the point of sudo? |
| 11:23.54 | dante_2core | scripts and make not-system-admins able to do some things |
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| 11:24.35 | wandaa | k |
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| 11:27.50 | adrian | can anyone help with compiz on ati mobility radeon x600 |
| 11:28.16 | adrian | i have tryed to make it work with etch lenny but not gettin any succes |
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| 11:33.24 | dante_2core | adrian, getthe new driver first, i think |
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| 11:35.05 | adrian | 8.42 |
| 11:35.16 | adrian | i think is the latest |
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| 11:37.36 | liable | adrian: check out the phoronix forum first and see if your problem isnt already mentioned |
| 11:38.09 | liable | adrian: doesnt seem like many debianites use compiz, so you prolly wont get much help here :( |
| 11:38.23 | adrian | i now |
| 11:38.31 | adrian | many ubuntu users use it |
| 11:38.48 | adrian | it`s not a very useful feature anyway |
| 11:39.02 | adrian | but i can`t sleep if something is not working |
| 11:39.24 | adrian | i installed compiz very easy on my la desktop with nvidia card |
| 11:39.43 | cast | e! |
| 11:39.44 | adrian | but it seems that ati provides the worst drivers aver |
| 11:39.55 | liable | yeah, well seeing as its the first fglrx to support it, dont expect too much |
| 11:40.04 | adrian | so on my laptop still no t a chance |
| 11:40.09 | tarzeau | soon we can play snowballs: http://www.nevrax.org/tikiwiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=2 |
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| 11:40.38 | SpeedyG | hey, is ext2/3 capable of handling 8GB files ? |
| 11:40.55 | tarzeau | SpeedyG: i think so |
| 11:40.56 | adrian | hope giving the specs to open source will help in the future maybe they`ll give source tooD: |
| 11:41.09 | cast | SpeedyG: yes. |
| 11:41.33 | SpeedyG | ok :) |
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| 11:41.53 | dante_2core | liable, I use compiz fusion |
| 11:41.54 | dante_2core | for long |
| 11:42.02 | dante_2core | i'm one of the beryl veterans :D |
| 11:42.38 | dante_2core | adrian, compiz needs texture_from_pixmap |
| 11:42.44 | dante_2core | new driver has it |
| 11:42.51 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Limits don't really have to worry about filesizes in any of the commonly used not shit filesystems [so !FAT] |
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| 11:50.23 | Penix | !penixstrike DST |
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| 11:57.51 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:57.52 | dpkg | <deb_noob> how do i open syslog? | <deb_noob> with kwrite? |
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| 12:00.27 | mythomaniac | so FAT is not a shit file system? |
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| 12:01.11 | liable | does have filesize limitations, so i would say its certainly not perfect |
| 12:01.21 | liable | small filesize |
| 12:01.45 | liable | cant really think of anything else blatently wrong with it though |
| 12:02.02 | cast | i mean to say, fat is shit. |
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| 12:03.00 | SpeedyG | cast: thanks, I allready figured out what the problem was :) ftp didnt like an 8GB tgz file |
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| 12:03.22 | cast | 4gb filesystem limit [how can you handle backups and dvd isos?], no permissions, needs defragging |
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| 12:09.53 | DA-Laptop | Hello |
| 12:10.17 | cast | hello, |
| 12:10.39 | DA-Laptop | I have an Intel HDA sound card, model Realtek ALC268. When the new 1.0.15 ALSA driver came out, I downloaded and compiled it - and the audio worked. |
| 12:10.48 | M0useP0t4t0 | 4 GB file-system limits? who runs FAT-16 file-system YET? |
| 12:10.52 | DA-Laptop | But when the Sid package was downloaded by apt, the sound stopped working |
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| 12:11.17 | DA-Laptop | I tried recompiling ALSA again, but it didn't make it work again |
| 12:11.22 | DA-Laptop | Can anyone help me out, please? |
| 12:11.43 | cast | M0useP0t4t0: fat16 was 2gb. 32 is 4gb |
| 12:12.10 | ick | How can I find just 1 file (of which I know the name and location) in a foo.tar backup file of about 20GB? |
| 12:12.23 | davi | What to run an VMware image? qemu, xen, bochs? |
| 12:13.09 | petemc | vmware |
| 12:13.51 | ick | I tried opening it with some Gnome tool, but it just says it's "busy", without giving any indication of how far it is. Or did I just use the wrong tool for the job? I was kind of expecting that it also included something like a file index... |
| 12:13.56 | cast | sometimes you can run one programs image in another, or convert, |
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| 12:14.26 | davi | I looking for a VMware replacement |
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| 12:14.38 | cast | ick: tar xf wee.tar porn/pam.avi or some such |
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| 12:14.53 | davi | VMware 6.x workstation requires serial number to work, only 30 days :P |
| 12:15.07 | cast | ick: it has to scan the tarball until it finds it as i understand it |
| 12:15.16 | cast | davi: vmware server and player are free. |
| 12:15.33 | ick | cast: is there another format that does build an index? |
| 12:15.48 | davi | cast, what is the difference with the workstation software? |
| 12:16.06 | cast | davi: htfsik. vmware.com |
| 12:16.16 | davi | np |
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| 12:17.09 | liable | ick: mc (midnight commander) can look inside tar file, as can many things. would take a damn long time for a 20G tar though |
| 12:17.46 | DA-Laptop | hey liable |
| 12:17.48 | cast | ick: nfi, check what zip does, if you know about where in the archive the file is you could dd skip and only read that section and be able to extract it, but you probably don't know where it is |
| 12:18.18 | ick | liable: yes, it are several million of files, too. |
| 12:18.51 | cast | ick: you know |
| 12:18.57 | liable | DA-Laptop: oiy |
| 12:19.01 | cast | ick: you could just have a filesystem :) |
| 12:19.21 | ick | cast: people scream here every day "but you do have a backup, right?" |
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| 12:19.48 | cast | naturally. how is that related? |
| 12:19.48 | ick | cast: now, I have a backup and now it appears that tar is a bad format for restore. |
| 12:20.00 | cast | it is a fine format |
| 12:20.07 | ick | cast: for full restores, yes. |
| 12:20.13 | cast | even partial restores |
| 12:20.24 | cast | how often do you need a backup ;) |
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| 12:20.53 | DA-Laptop | liable: Do Debian's ALSA packages have any weird patches? |
| 12:21.24 | ick | DA-Laptop: I think they deliberately make it not work. |
| 12:21.26 | vsayikiran | i want to change my timezone please help me |
| 12:21.34 | liable | DA-Laptop: no idea, i have never had problems with sound. just installed a new mobo yesterday and all i had to do was run alsaconf :) |
| 12:21.38 | DA-Laptop | ick: They're not Microsoft. :) |
| 12:21.44 | ick | DA-Laptop: you can see on packages.debian.org what patches they did. |
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| 12:21.51 | DA-Laptop | ok |
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| 12:22.18 | ick | DA-Laptop: probably via some other tool too (apt-source or something like that), but I don't use that often. |
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| 12:22.55 | ick | Just apt-get with a source argument |
| 12:23.24 | vsayikiran | how to change timezone |
| 12:23.41 | vi391 | I try to install the Netinstall ISO 368, but it hangs after writing on screen "ISOLINUX ..." any suggestions ? |
| 12:23.46 | ick | !timezone |
| 12:23.46 | dpkg | well, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
| 12:23.54 | DA-Laptop | liable: I just tried alsaconf... didn't help. :/ |
| 12:23.55 | vsayikiran | i am not able to change my system time |
| 12:24.09 | ick | vsayikiran: ^^ |
| 12:24.11 | vi391 | its this ISO debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:24.58 | cast | vi391: can you get other livecds to boot? |
| 12:25.30 | vi391 | cast: never tried, but somebody else installed win98 on this Computer with success, and the same hardware |
| 12:26.00 | vi391 | cast: it starts the boot from the CD, but then loads to death |
| 12:26.15 | ick | vi391: how much memory does it have? |
| 12:26.29 | vi391 | ick: ill check that |
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| 12:26.41 | ick | vi391: that's like about the most important thing... |
| 12:26.44 | cast | dunno if its related, but i recall that some old cdroms needed to use the 4th or 5th cd in woody to boot |
| 12:27.00 | liable | DA-Laptop: did it find a card? what got updated. you didnt say.. |
| 12:27.05 | vi391 | 64MB |
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| 12:27.15 | vi391 | hmm seems to less maybe. can it be that |
| 12:27.21 | DA-Laptop | liable: It did |
| 12:27.37 | DA-Laptop | liable: But I still don't have a "Master" bar in alsamixer, as I did prior to debian's upgrade |
| 12:27.40 | ick | vi391: I found Debian unusable with 128MB, but there are people who get it to work with 32MB. |
| 12:27.43 | cast | vi391: it be easy enough to put the drive in another box and install deb there, i'd try another livecd though and use debootstrap. or even a floppydisk |
| 12:27.44 | DA-Laptop | And I still hear nothing |
| 12:27.51 | cast | ick: you run gnome right? |
| 12:27.55 | liable | what got upgraded? |
| 12:27.58 | ick | vi391: you might get it to run a server, but that's about it. |
| 12:27.58 | vi391 | ick: well I would just need a server install |
| 12:28.07 | vi391 | ick: its all i need |
| 12:28.13 | DA-Laptop | liable: libasound, I think |
| 12:28.19 | cast | i used to run a fine desktop with 64mb of ram, blackbox :) |
| 12:28.31 | ick | cast: yes, that was Gnome 2.6 years ago. |
| 12:28.43 | vsayikiran | ick: well i am able to set timezone but not able to change time |
| 12:28.55 | ick | vsayikiran: define "time" |
| 12:29.11 | liable | DA-Laptop: if you are using sid, and shit breaks after upgrade, you had better start paying attention to what got upgraded and what broke |
| 12:29.17 | vi391 | cast: I just have another box with an AMD to install it there, will that be conflickt something |
| 12:29.22 | DA-Laptop | liable: Sid, yeah. |
| 12:29.24 | ick | vsayikiran: do you mean the output of the command date? |
| 12:29.26 | liable | DA-Laptop: try downgrading whatever it was that got upgraded |
| 12:29.30 | DA-Laptop | ok... |
| 12:29.42 | DA-Laptop | But it didn't work with the prior debian version either |
| 12:29.51 | DA-Laptop | It only worked when I compiled ALSA myself |
| 12:30.04 | liable | DA-Laptop: did you happen to get a new kernel? |
| 12:30.12 | vsayikiran | ick: i mean with date command time is changing but after i reboot time does not chnage |
| 12:30.25 | DA-Laptop | liable: No |
| 12:30.27 | liable | DA-Laptop: because you need to compile alsa every time you do |
| 12:30.29 | biz | is there fragmentation within the ram? |
| 12:30.32 | cast | vi391: linux isn't like windows, itll work fine as long as it was hda on both boxes even if its a different processor/mobo/etc.. |
| 12:30.34 | DA-Laptop | liable: Still 2.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 12:30.45 | vi391 | cast: ok thanks |
| 12:31.04 | liable | DA-Laptop: which part of alsa are you talking about? the soundcard module or the utils? |
| 12:31.18 | DA-Laptop | alsa-driver |
| 12:31.24 | ick | !ntp |
| 12:31.25 | dpkg | methinks ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 12:31.37 | liable | DA-Laptop: what exact package? |
| 12:31.40 | ick | vsayikiran: I use that too. |
| 12:31.50 | ick | vsayikiran: otherwise, I have no idea why it doesn't work for you. |
| 12:31.59 | DA-Laptop | liable: libasound2, I believe |
| 12:32.36 | ick | vsayikiran: does your timezone change after a reboot? |
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| 12:33.04 | tarzeau | help buy this great game? http://www.ryzom.org/donation/new |
| 12:33.32 | liable | DA-Laptop: i have no idea what does what in alsa, but have you tried compiling your alsa again? what exactly did you compile anyway? |
| 12:33.33 | DA-Laptop | Ryzom, not ruzom, tarzeau |
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| 12:33.46 | DA-Laptop | liable: Yes, I did |
| 12:33.54 | DA-Laptop | liable: I also tried make uninstall, then doing make install again |
| 12:33.55 | tarzeau | DA-Laptop: i said ryzom? |
| 12:34.05 | tarzeau | DA-Laptop: your font or irc client is broken? |
| 12:34.08 | DA-Laptop | tarzeau: Oh, sorry. |
| 12:34.18 | DA-Laptop | tarzeau: My font kinda killed off the y since the link was underlined |
| 12:34.35 | DA-Laptop | I thought Ryzom was already sold |
| 12:34.38 | DA-Laptop | To some company |
| 12:34.42 | tarzeau | DA-Laptop: that was last year |
| 12:34.44 | vsayikiran | ick: i mean my timezone is IST and pc shows time as 2300hrs, when using date command i change time back to 1800(actual time according to my timezone), after reboot timezone is same as IST but time will be 2300hrs and not 1800hrs |
| 12:34.48 | DA-Laptop | tarzeau: Yeah |
| 12:34.48 | tarzeau | DA-Laptop: and it went bankrupt ! |
| 12:34.52 | DA-Laptop | tarzeau: Haha |
| 12:34.59 | tarzeau | DA-Laptop: now make a donation pledge |
| 12:35.03 | DA-Laptop | No |
| 12:35.09 | DA-Laptop | A: I can't afford to |
| 12:35.18 | DA-Laptop | B: I don't play MMORPGs |
| 12:35.28 | vsayikiran | ick: why my time doesnot change after reboot |
| 12:35.30 | DA-Laptop | C: I don't support free software or open source |
| 12:35.48 | DA-Laptop | (Because I don't support copyright at all, and FOSS relies on copyright) |
| 12:36.32 | ick | vsayikiran: so, it doesn't work because you didn't follow instructions? |
| 12:36.46 | ick | vsayikiran: I didn't tell you to change the date with the date command. |
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| 12:37.21 | cast | DA-Laptop: you use it...but you don'tt support it...a useful user you are! |
| 12:37.34 | rmaj | is it just me or did testing kopete stop wroking with latest update? |
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| 12:38.00 | DA-Laptop | cast: I see no difference between free and properietary software |
| 12:38.12 | vsayikiran | ick: after changing date and time using date command, date changes during current session, but after reboot it changes to original |
| 12:38.33 | Helmi | a true anarchist |
| 12:38.51 | DA-Laptop | Yes |
| 12:38.52 | vsayikiran | ick: i mean to say that with date command i am not able to save changes permanently |
| 12:39.07 | ick | vsayikiran: you may ask someone else, since I stop helping people that do not follow instructions. |
| 12:39.19 | Helmi | DA-Laptop, hope for your own good most other are not |
| 12:39.32 | DA-Laptop | Helmi: Why? |
| 12:39.39 | vi391 | hmm seems I have to install a debian server with just 64MB RAM, is there a Netinstall ISO which comes around with this less mem |
| 12:39.41 | vsayikiran | ick: i followed your instruction, please help me |
| 12:40.13 | ick | *plonk* |
| 12:40.15 | vsayikiran | ick: you are able to sense the exact prob i think |
| 12:40.24 | DA-Laptop | Helmi: I'm a libertarian - an anarcho-capitalist. :) |
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| 12:42.17 | DA-Laptop | cast: And the reason I use Debian, the Linux kernel and so on, is that the software simply is great. Mac makes me vomit over how overly easy to use it's supposed to be. I don't even have to explain why I dislike Windows, you probably know already. |
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| 12:43.26 | vi391 | is there a minimal ISO Install for Server systems, which installs with just 64MB RAM ?? (I dont need any X System) |
| 12:43.40 | ick | vi391: stop repeating your question |
| 12:43.50 | ick | vi391: it's a FAQ too, btw |
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| 12:44.03 | vi391 | ick: Ok i look it up |
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| 12:44.13 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 12:45.19 | vsayikiran | how change system date and time |
| 12:45.44 | cast | just use ntpdate |
| 12:45.57 | DA-Laptop | vsayikiran: interesting question, actually... I generally use KDE for it, or just set the time/date in BIOS. I don't know how to do it in command line... |
| 12:46.06 | vi391 | ick: nope its not in the FAQ, This is just general ISO Downloads. If u would readm what I wrote youll see, that I will need something else |
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| 12:46.50 | dnanar | i've got a dumb question abour rights managment please: i have a directory a/, which contain two sub directory a/1/ and a/2/ . How to only allow to read directory on a/ (a/1/ and a/2/) (not to create/modify/delete/rename/etc... files or directory in a/), but allow write/read rights to files/directory inside a/1/ and a/2/ please ? |
| 12:46.51 | liable | vi391: you dont need something else, any of the install iso's will give you a base install if thats all you ask it to give you |
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| 12:47.19 | vsayikiran | DA-Laptop: i did change from GUI interface but the change is only temporary |
| 12:47.32 | DA-Laptop | dnanar: cd a/; chmod (numbers you want) * |
| 12:47.34 | vi391 | liable: I tried the ISO i386 Installs, but they dont work with my system, thats Why I need other install Iso's |
| 12:47.44 | DA-Laptop | vsayikiran: Try changing it in BIOS |
| 12:47.45 | vsayikiran | DA-Laptop: but after restarting my pc time changes back to original |
| 12:47.59 | liable | vi391: then thats a totally seperate issue to what you were saying |
| 12:48.00 | vi391 | dont know why they Hang, maybe the Hardware is to old |
| 12:48.13 | vsayikiran | my BIOS time is accurate according to my timezone |
| 12:48.44 | DA-Laptop | Try using ntpdate, like someone suggested |
| 12:48.45 | vsayikiran | DA-Laptop: in windows also it is ok, in etch my timezone is IST |
| 12:48.55 | vi391 | liable: thats Why I was asking for "minimal ISO" Installs , If I was not clear enough , Iam sorry |
| 12:48.55 | Helmi | vsayikiran, set corect time etc, see if hwclock --systohc makes it stick |
| 12:48.55 | liable | vi391: if its really old hardware, the etch install still has an option to boot a 2.4 kernel, you could try that, or is it before the installer even gets to that stage? |
| 12:49.37 | stew | it does? |
| 12:49.40 | vi391 | liable: yes, It hangs just after its saying "ISOLINUX 3.31 ..." |
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| 12:50.05 | DA-Laptop | Helmi: Hmm, never heard of hwclock |
| 12:50.07 | liable | vi391: does it have a floppy? |
| 12:50.08 | DA-Laptop | Helmi: Interesting |
| 12:50.12 | dnanar | DA-Laptop: the number should be 004 no ? (in order that everybody read, but noone write) |
| 12:50.36 | vi391 | liable: nope |
| 12:50.45 | Helmi | vsayikiran, if you dual boot make linux use 'localtime' as windows does |
| 12:50.49 | jesterea | Hello everybody, I've got a problem where my ext3 homedir is sometimes missing files I downloaded after I did a partition resize. Sometimes they are there after remounting, most times not. Under windows I can mount it via ifstools (ext2 fs driver for windows) and the files are always there. I think I'd like to make a file copy of the current state of the partition, reformat it and copy them back (cloning the partition would pr |
| 12:50.49 | jesterea | obably also copy the problems). Which command should I use for copying everything inkluding links, permissions etc? rsync good? |
| 12:51.13 | vsayikiran | Helmi: from where |
| 12:51.14 | liable | vi391: i cant think of a way around it other than trying a newer or older installer. |
| 12:51.18 | DA-Laptop | dnanar: Not 444? |
| 12:51.25 | DA-Laptop | dnanar: So that *everyone* can read |
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| 12:51.40 | Helmi | vsayikiran, in /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:51.47 | vi391 | liable: hmm ok, which older installer would u suggest |
| 12:52.01 | liable | vi391: the sarge one |
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| 12:52.25 | cast | jesterea: could do a dump, but tarballing it would likely suffice, forgot if tar or rsync handle hardlinks correctly, you might get two individual files instead of 1 with 2 hardlinks. softlinks work fine in tar though |
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| 12:52.54 | dnanar | DA-Laptop: ah yes |
| 12:53.12 | jesterea | I don't have hardlinks in my /home, i guess, so I'll try tarring it, thanks. |
| 12:53.14 | dnanar | DA-Laptop: but then nobody can write to a/1/ ?! |
| 12:53.20 | vi391 | liable: they are no longer available in the official download servers? |
| 12:53.32 | cast | jesterea: when you extract, if you're not root, use the p switch |
| 12:53.35 | vsayikiran | Helmi: i have a option like UTC=no, what does it mean |
| 12:54.00 | Helmi | vsayikiran, it means you have localtime set |
| 12:54.06 | liable | vi391: they are available still, may take a wee bit of hunting down |
| 12:54.16 | jesterea | cast: aye, thanks for the tip, I'll read up on tar first |
| 12:54.21 | terr | I need to ask for some rsync help. What would this message mean? I mean why is it there and why would rsync be trying to remove a directory? rsync: delete_file: rmdir "/home/europa/home/system/ports35" failed: Directory not empty (39) |
| 12:54.45 | vsayikiran | Helmi: i am able to change time from GUI tool but it is not permanent, after rebooting it takes my BIOS time as UTC time |
| 12:55.01 | vi391 | liable: ok I'll go and seek them |
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| 12:55.04 | stew | vsayikiran: edit the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:55.19 | terr | its on the target machine. I thought rsync would jsut leave the extra stuff there. |
| 12:55.19 | stew | vsayikiran: but wait, do you dual boot with windows or something? |
| 12:55.24 | vsayikiran | stew: what should i edit |
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| 12:55.56 | vsayikiran | stew: yes, i use etch and winxp |
| 12:56.04 | stew | vsayikiran: then edit the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:56.36 | vsayikiran | stew: what change should i do there |
| 12:56.38 | jesterea | cast: thanks, I'm going to mount readonly now |
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| 12:57.14 | stew | vsayikiran: did you look at that file? |
| 12:57.45 | vsayikiran | stew: yes i have opened the file UTC=no |
| 12:57.58 | vsayikiran | stew: should i change it |
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| 12:58.48 | stew | vsayikiran: that's odd, i would have expected that say yes |
| 12:59.03 | stew | vsayikiran: does /etc/timezone have your correct timezone? |
| 12:59.13 | vsayikiran | stew: yes |
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| 13:00.06 | vsayikiran | stew: during installation i didnt change any timezone setting, after login i changed my timezone for firsttime |
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| 13:01.48 | vsayikiran | stew: after that whenever i change my time to my actual time, after reboot it takes the BIOS(which is infact the actual time according to my timezone) as UTC time and add +0530 to it , so my time is 5:30 ahead of my actual time |
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| 13:02.58 | vsayikiran | stew: if i reboot and see my BIOS time it shows current time, so after booting in linux it changes the time |
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| 13:03.35 | stew | vsayikiran: if you run "hwclock --utc" or "hwclock --localtime", which one shows the correct time? |
| 13:04.29 | CalJohn | Trying to start xorg results in just switching to vt7 but no display. Switching back to vt1 shows that xorg has crashed, but with no helpful error (or in the log); "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 13:04.35 | CalJohn | " |
| 13:04.39 | CalJohn | this is testing btw |
| 13:04.56 | vsayikiran | stew: "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" this is what i get |
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| 13:05.13 | stew | vsayikiran: did you run it as root? |
| 13:05.25 | CalJohn | (and has worked before) |
| 13:05.25 | vsayikiran | stew: yes |
| 13:05.28 | stew | actually you shouldnt need to |
| 13:06.44 | vsayikiran | stew: so what is the problem, why etch changes my time |
| 13:07.28 | stew | vsayikiran: well according to that error, debian isn't able to touch your clock |
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| 13:07.40 | stew | vsayikiran: does "hwclock --directisa" work? |
| 13:09.11 | DawnLight | seen Agiofws |
| 13:09.13 | vsayikiran | stew: "Saturday 27 October 2007 06:37:51 PM IST -0.651145 seconds" this is correct time according to my timezone, |
| 13:09.18 | DawnLight | !seen Agiofws |
| 13:09.18 | dpkg | agiofws <n=agiofws@athedsl-282655.home.otenet.gr> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 17h 6m 27s ago, saying: 'any indication that that is a 5 in 1 card reader device http://rafb.net/p/7UZvEI69.html once i do modprobe sdhci ?'. |
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| 13:10.12 | DawnLight | where can i get a list of bans from #debian? |
| 13:10.18 | cast | type /bans |
| 13:10.26 | stew | vsayikiran: ok, that might explain a lot. edit /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh and add --directisa to the line that says, "HWCLOCKPARS=" |
| 13:11.05 | vsayikiran | stew: its working --directisa, it show correct time |
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| 13:11.20 | terr | stew - how familiar are you with rsync? |
| 13:11.32 | stew | vsayikiran: is this machine very old? is it a dell? (in general i'd only expect --directisa to be required for something old, but aparantly some dells need it too) |
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| 13:11.46 | stew | terr: why? |
| 13:11.50 | Helmi | and hp turion too |
| 13:12.15 | terr | stew I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting this error message. Teh reason might be subtle. |
| 13:12.31 | stew | terr: what arguments are you passing to rsync? |
| 13:12.34 | vsayikiran | stew: are you there? |
| 13:12.39 | stew | vsayikiran: right here |
| 13:13.05 | vsayikiran | stew: yes DELL latitude D520, one year old |
| 13:13.11 | terr | stew. I do not have the option set to delete files on the target machine yet I get an error saying it cannot delete a directory on the target machine because the directory is not empty |
| 13:13.29 | stew | terr: what arguments are you passing to rsync? |
| 13:13.34 | terr | stew params are -avr --progress also -e ssh1 |
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| 13:14.12 | terr | rsync -avr --progress -e ssh /home/ 192.168.1.3:/home/europa/home/ |
| 13:14.38 | stew | wierd |
| 13:14.44 | terr | I know. |
| 13:14.54 | terr | rsync: delete_file: rmdir "/home/europa/home/system/ports35" failed: Directory not empty (39) |
| 13:15.09 | stew | terr: btw, you don't need -r or -e ssh, but they aren't causing problems |
| 13:15.18 | stew | terr: that is assuming you don't actually have the real rsh installed |
| 13:15.49 | terr | I did need -e for some reason. Its an old script |
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| 13:16.12 | vsayikiran | stew: my computer is one year old, it latitude d520 n series notebook |
| 13:16.28 | stew | terr: the default is to use rsh, but unless you have rsh actually installed, "readlink -f $(which rsh)" will show that rsh is actually ssh anyway |
| 13:16.49 | stew | vsayikiran: that apparantly explains why you need --directisa |
| 13:17.06 | terr | stew I ran into an issue with ssh1 verses ssh2. |
| 13:17.14 | terr | the -e parameter fixed it. |
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| 13:17.34 | terr | I'm wondering if I have a env variable set for rsync |
| 13:18.39 | vsayikiran | stew: so this is what i need "HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa" is this correct |
| 13:19.07 | terr | stew well it doesn't really matter - I just like to get to the bottom of things. |
| 13:19.23 | regis1 | Hello, I've updated my debian from etch to lenny (testing), but exim stop to work: it doesn't accept any mail anymore and I get the following error in log: 2007-10-27 15:05:17 H=regis.regis.no-ip.com [192.168.0.1] U=1000 F=<regis@regis.no-ip.com> temporarily rejected RCPT <regis@regis.no-ip.com> |
| 13:19.23 | stew | vsayikiran: yes, i believe so |
| 13:19.24 | terr | whats the other environment? not env... |
| 13:19.43 | vsayikiran | stew: do i have to type "--" also? |
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| 13:20.16 | Insidius | Its been a long time |
| 13:20.19 | stew | terr: well "set" should show you your environmen, but i don't expect anything would be able to affect it in such a way, (if it was possible, i'd expect "man rsync" to say so in the ENVIRONMENT section |
| 13:20.23 | vsayikiran | stew: do i have put the whole string in double quotes |
| 13:20.30 | stew | vsayikiran: no, just: HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa |
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| 13:20.54 | vsayikiran | stew: i hope that will work , thakns |
| 13:20.56 | rcdarkangel | Holy crap! |
| 13:21.03 | rcdarkangel | It turns out my nick was still registered |
| 13:21.09 | stew | terr: i'd also check "which rsync" to make sure it is /usr/bin/rsync ; and "alias rsync" to make sure it isn't aliased to add some options |
| 13:21.10 | rcdarkangel | from like well, well over a year or so ago |
| 13:21.26 | adrian | i have installed compiz on my lenny with apt-get |
| 13:21.27 | adrian | lastest ati driver :D |
| 13:21.27 | adrian | still errors ... why everything work on nvidia |
| 13:21.32 | terr | stew there are no variables that look even remotely like they could specify --delete |
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| 13:21.44 | adrian | can anyone point me to a good compiz howto on lenny working with an ati card |
| 13:22.02 | terr | which rsync /usr/local/bin/rsync |
| 13:22.10 | stew | terr: aha |
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| 13:22.28 | stew | terr: so you installed some 3rd party version of rsync and you are using that instead of debian's |
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| 13:22.39 | vsayikiran | what packge is required to use FastIR port in latitude dell d520 notebook |
| 13:22.54 | terr | stew this is on an openBSD machine backing itself to a debian machine. |
| 13:22.59 | rcdarkangel | !rsync |
| 13:22.59 | dpkg | hmm... rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 13:23.16 | stew | terr: oh, so you are running rsync on freebsd? |
| 13:23.26 | terr | stew openBSD. |
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| 13:23.43 | terr | stew my servers are openBSD and my desktops are linux |
| 13:24.00 | vsayikiran | what package is needed for fastIR port |
| 13:24.01 | timob | whats the command to reinstall a packages default conffiles ? |
| 13:24.10 | terr | stew: I don't need to solve this tonight. |
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| 13:24.23 | stew | terr: you should be asking in #openbsd not here. i don't know anything about openbsd's rsync |
| 13:24.39 | terr | stew there is no one there. No one has been there in days |
| 13:24.44 | hardcampa | lol |
| 13:24.51 | terr | stew it should be the same. |
| 13:25.02 | stew | terr: there are currently 173 people there |
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| 13:25.25 | cast | bsd is dying! |
| 13:25.26 | terr | stew I can send off an email to some experts mind you. OpenBSD is headquarted here and I know Theo and some of the other people |
| 13:25.30 | hardcampa | =) |
| 13:25.40 | terr | stew no one seems to answer a question. |
| 13:25.47 | terr | stew no conversation hardly |
| 13:25.50 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 13:25.50 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:25.51 | h3sp4wn | If I am using the following in .emacs (so I can press F1 to open the manpage of a command how can I make it so it uses the C man pages not the shell ones) - (global-set-key [(f1)] (lambda () (interactive) (manual-entry (current-word)))) |
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| 13:25.59 | stew | timob: "/msg dpkg confmiss" confmiss will reinstall conffiles that are missing. if you need to replace conffiles with the packages original versions, use "confnew" instead of confmiss |
| 13:26.15 | stew | terr: try an openbsd mailing list then |
| 13:26.24 | terr | stew I'll do that. |
| 13:26.31 | vsayikiran | stew: are you using dell laptop |
| 13:26.35 | stew | vsayikiran: no |
| 13:26.40 | adrian | can anyone point me to a good compiz howto on lenny working with an ati x600 |
| 13:26.53 | adrian | i have a dell latitude d810 |
| 13:26.56 | wols_ | adrian: this is not possible right now |
| 13:27.03 | zamuro | adrian: Google can |
| 13:27.03 | terr | stew - can you do me a really quick favour? Pop into #openBSD and lets send a couple msg's to see if they are really getting posted. |
| 13:27.26 | vsayikiran | adrian: i have latitude d520 |
| 13:27.51 | vsayikiran | adrian: do know how to use fast ir port in latitude notebooks |
| 13:27.57 | cast | terr: surely you can do that |
| 13:28.17 | adrian | dam |
| 13:28.29 | adrian | on nvidia i now it works easily |
| 13:28.33 | terr | cast. I've seen konversation mimic being connected to a channel when it wasn't. |
| 13:28.43 | adrian | but i want it on my laptop too compiz i mean:D |
| 13:28.53 | vsayikiran | anyone please tell me how to use fast ir port |
| 13:28.54 | wols_ | adrian: and I want a pony |
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| 13:29.08 | adrian | ;0 |
| 13:29.12 | adrian | ;) |
| 13:29.17 | terr | stew I didn't see you in #openBSD |
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| 13:30.10 | vsayikiran | please tell me how to use fast ir port, what package i need |
| 13:30.15 | terr | cast it only takes a couple seconds to confirm something is working properly. No reason to walk down the worng path if it isn't |
| 13:30.54 | Nyle | Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 13:31.03 | Nyle | whats the matter? is my mirror wrong? |
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| 13:31.10 | wols_ | !security |
| 13:31.11 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 13:31.28 | Nyle | !testing security |
| 13:31.28 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
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| 13:31.32 | cast | terr: exactly - so do it yourself, irssi -n terr2 -c irc.freenode.net, or nc irc.freenode.net 6667 |
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| 13:31.44 | Nyle | apparantly its the /main |
| 13:31.46 | Nyle | hmm |
| 13:31.54 | Nyle | missing a space i think |
| 13:31.56 | ZEA | hi. has anyone had this perl script (/usr/share/setup-tool-backends/scripts/disks-conf) eating 100% of your cpu? |
| 13:32.03 | wols_ | Nyle: no. one / too many |
| 13:32.10 | terr | cast I didn't know about that. |
| 13:32.15 | Nyle | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:32.21 | Nyle | wols_: where? |
| 13:32.31 | wols_ | between updates and main |
| 13:32.43 | Nyle | I just pasted my sources list line |
| 13:32.47 | Nyle | it seems fine doesn't it? |
| 13:32.53 | wols_ | no it does not |
| 13:33.07 | wols_ | stable/updates main vs lenny/updates/main |
| 13:33.17 | Nyle | what? |
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| 13:33.26 | Nyle | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 13:33.26 | Nyle | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:33.28 | Nyle | look |
| 13:33.31 | wols_ | there is a / and there shouldn't be |
| 13:33.33 | Nyle | where is it? |
| 13:33.39 | Nyle | I can't see it |
| 13:33.47 | wols_ | 15:30 < Nyle> Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 13:33.50 | wols_ | there it is |
| 13:33.53 | Nyle | thats the error |
| 13:34.01 | Nyle | I pasted you my sources.list line where there is no error |
| 13:34.09 | wols_ | then maybe there are no lenny security updates |
| 13:34.10 | Nyle | which is confusing me because apparantly the sources.list line is fine |
| 13:34.26 | Nyle | but... there are |
| 13:34.27 | abrotman | it's malformed |
| 13:34.28 | terr | cast. Its not working. konversation shows the msg as if its posted but it doens't show up on the other connection |
| 13:34.29 | Nyle | always have been |
| 13:34.48 | wols_ | terr: then use a proper irc client |
| 13:34.56 | cast | terr: ahh well. fuck konversation then, use irssi :) |
| 13:35.11 | amphi | ++cast |
| 13:35.28 | terr | I ddin't know abotu irssi. Where do I find it? |
| 13:35.38 | cast | in ports |
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| 13:35.48 | terr | wols. You got that right. usually it works mind you. |
| 13:35.55 | Nyle | wols_: I figured it out |
| 13:35.58 | cast | eh, packages...whatever you obsd people call it |
| 13:36.08 | Nyle | wols_: there is no lenny alias, its "testing |
| 13:36.11 | Nyle | :/ |
| 13:36.26 | Nyle | whichis retarded, because the sources.list was generated by debian |
| 13:36.34 | abrotman | ports |
| 13:36.37 | terr | cast thanx - I'll ahve a look tomorrow. I'm too tired now. |
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| 13:36.54 | Nyle | anyway problem fixed, now to figure out what is causing it |
| 13:37.03 | Nyle | !testing security |
| 13:37.04 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 13:37.20 | Nyle | well, even the factoid uses 'lenny' alias instead of 'testing' |
| 13:37.26 | Nyle | any thoughts, anyone? |
| 13:37.32 | cast | abrotman: obsd has ports certainly, but its suggested to not use them and use the packages instead...but am not sure if they refer to binaries added with pkg_add as ports or packages, i think its packages |
| 13:37.37 | michiel__ | how could i make a query faster like this one : SELECT w.webhierarchie, w.omschrijving, count( tt.nid ) AS cnt from ec_webh_perm ep INNER JOIN ec_webhierarchie w on (w.webhierarchie=ep.webhierarchie AND ep.shop_id=1) INNER JOIN ec_product pp ON pp.web_hier LIKE concat( w.webhierarchie, '%' ) INNER JOIN temp_1 tt ON tt.nid = pp.nid where w.niveau=2 GROUP BY w.omschrijving HAVING cnt >0 order by omschrijving ASC |
| 13:37.47 | abrotman | michiel__: #sql |
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| 13:38.14 | michiel__ | abrotman: oops |
| 13:38.16 | michiel__ | :) |
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| 13:38.30 | Nyle | wow |
| 13:38.43 | Nyle | is this even debian related? |
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| 13:40.28 | Nyle | I'm screaming daisies.... from 14 miles away |
| 13:40.54 | Nyle | bush kicks ass |
| 13:41.12 | cast | Nyle, quit being OT. |
| 13:41.35 | Nyle | cast: stop NOT being ot |
| 13:41.59 | Nyle | anyway, bush was a good band, haven't heard it since my youth. I just wanted to share that while nothing else was going in here. Sorry for OT |
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| 13:42.52 | Nyle | would anyone shed some light on why lenny/updates doesn't work, but testing/updates does? |
| 13:42.56 | Nyle | in sources.list |
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| 13:43.17 | splif | I've been getting a "PCI: MSI quirk detected. MSI deactivated" error when I boot a sid kernel lately and I was wondering if anyone knew anyway to get around this and not use a edgy kernel? |
| 13:43.34 | splif | sorry etch kernel |
| 13:43.45 | liable | Nyle: it shouldnt make a difference as i believe its a link on the mirror, but i vaguely recall this happening before |
| 13:44.05 | Nyle | liable: probably the link/alias is broken atm, is my guess |
| 13:44.12 | Nyle | cast: hey, cut it out :) |
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| 13:44.34 | Nyle | cast: i just installed debian, on a new machine |
| 13:44.42 | Nyle | cast: send me the link later when I Get X running up |
| 13:44.44 | abrotman | splif: is it cuasing a problem? |
| 13:44.48 | ptlis | Hi, does anyone know if this bug has been patched in the current version of PHP on etch? http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=39508 |
| 13:45.06 | Nyle | ptlis: check the changelog for that pacakge |
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| 13:45.14 | Nyle | ptlis: look at that package in the bts |
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| 13:45.19 | cast | Nyle: if you booted with vga=something you can use fbi |
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| 13:45.25 | splif | abrotman: It locks up at that message durring boot and I have to use the etch kernel that I have still |
| 13:45.29 | Nyle | or do you want US to search for YOU? |
| 13:45.35 | Nyle | cast: meh too lazy man |
| 13:45.43 | Nyle | cast: I'm about to get fb up |
| 13:45.46 | abrotman | splif: you left that bit out |
| 13:45.59 | splif | abrotman: sorry |
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| 13:46.13 | splif | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 13:46.13 | Nyle | i have 768k down, 90kb/s tops |
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| 13:46.17 | abrotman | splif: you could compile your own kernel .. maybe send an email to the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 13:46.23 | Nyle | doing xorg/xfce4+goodies atm |
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| 13:46.47 | ptlis | Nyle, doesn't look like it, at least there are no references to the imagefill function. |
| 13:47.02 | ptlis | I guess it doesn't count as a security bug though |
| 13:47.06 | splif | abrotman: I was thinking about it though I'm not sure what module or change happened to cause this and I really would like some kinda gameplan |
| 13:47.41 | abrotman | splif: look in the source? :) |
| 13:48.59 | abrotman | !info php5 etch |
| 13:49.02 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch5~pu1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 13:49.15 | Nyle | oh borat |
| 13:50.11 | abrotman | ptlis: is it a security issue ? |
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| 13:50.36 | Nyle | oh man |
| 13:50.59 | Nyle | I forgot... 2 video cards in here, 16mb pci, and an ati x1900 |
| 13:51.05 | ptlis | The bug report isn't specific enough to tell either way, at least it doesn't specifically say it has security implications |
| 13:51.11 | Nyle | I got a 3rd monitor |
| 13:51.28 | abrotman | ptlis: you could check the package changelog |
| 13:51.41 | asg | ptlis: you could look at new and archived bugs in the bts and see if it was ever referenced |
| 13:51.48 | Nyle | ptlis: no idea |
| 13:51.58 | ptlis | bts? |
| 13:52.03 | Nyle | !bts |
| 13:52.04 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 13:52.22 | abrotman | ptlis: and/or ask the debian-security mailing list |
| 13:52.25 | ptlis | I checked the changelog for the php5 package in etch, it doesn't appear to have been fixed |
| 13:52.31 | ptlis | Okay, thanks. |
| 13:52.48 | Nyle | 38 seconds left |
| 13:53.04 | stew | ptlis: http://security.debian.org ; if it was fixed in etch, there will be a DSA listed there saying when it was fixed |
| 13:53.12 | stew | ptlis: does the bug have a CVE id? |
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| 13:54.05 | ptlis | stew, doesn't appear so. |
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| 13:55.57 | ptlis | And nope, it doesn't appear in any of php5's fixes according to security.debian.org |
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| 13:56.11 | ptlis | I guess i'll have to compile my own version? |
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| 13:57.24 | abrotman | ptlis: the bug is old .. the fix could have been applied before etch was released |
| 13:58.27 | rance | anybody know what happened to popcorn.debian.org? Im working on a new debian install for etch and I noticed the popularity-contest configuation dialog, I went to popcorn to see what the results were and the site doesnt exist. |
| 13:58.38 | cast | popcon? |
| 13:58.51 | rance | oops popcorn sorry |
| 13:59.06 | stew | rance: http://popcon.debian.org |
| 13:59.12 | rance | ok, maybe thats it |
| 13:59.38 | rance | I could have sworn that said popcorn |
| 13:59.42 | Ronin | heh |
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| 13:59.59 | GhostlyDeath | You did |
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| 14:00.11 | rance | hey Ronin, you |
| 14:00.19 | rance | doing ok |
| 14:01.02 | Ronin | little hung over rance but thats normal for a saturday morning, you? |
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| 14:02.38 | rance | at work |
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| 14:02.59 | Ronin | *snicker* |
| 14:03.00 | rance | Have to spend my saturday morning at the office since the plant is running today |
| 14:03.16 | abrotman | your plant can run? |
| 14:03.48 | rance | I never noticed that before abrotman, but thats funny |
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| 14:04.15 | jimbalaya | Humbling Moment #384: I've kept up to date with my / backups via rsync to another PC, but now that it's time to restore I don't know what to do. |
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| 14:04.34 | ptlis | abrotman, potentially true but the symptoms are identical |
| 14:04.54 | cast | jimbalaya: have you tried rsyncing with the src and dst switched around :o |
| 14:05.02 | abrotman | ptlis: you can file a bug if one doesn't already exist .. or email the maintainer |
| 14:05.05 | asg | abrotman: #383: Spaces Kill - rm -rf / tmp/foo |
| 14:05.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:05.13 | ptlis | abrotman, okay, thanks |
| 14:05.30 | jimbalaya | cast: that's what i figured i'd be doing, but I wasn't sure if I'd be re-installing a base system first ... since I excluded a few directories from my rsync |
| 14:05.46 | cast | so what did you exclude? |
| 14:05.48 | jimbalaya | i think i excluded the 'normal' ones, like /proc ... i'll have to take another look at the script to be sure, though |
| 14:06.25 | asg | abrotman: #382: Smileys Kill - :> ~/my_important_presentation.txt |
| 14:06.48 | jimbalaya | it's probably obvious by now that i'm new to rsync, but the way i was learning the full system backup was that certain files/directories just *don't* get backed up this way |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | asg: this would be related to #384 .. trying to restore |
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| 14:07.31 | asg | abrotman: true |
| 14:07.43 | jimbalaya | hehe, you're all noticing the pattern, then? 383 - oops removed everything, 384 - how do i fix that? :-P |
| 14:08.02 | jimbalaya | (that's not actually true - it's just a dying drive) |
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| 14:09.03 | marcio3000 | hello |
| 14:09.12 | abrotman | jimbalaya: you could use a liveCD boot .. chroot .. and then rsync back |
| 14:09.20 | abrotman | well .. guess you don't need to chroot |
| 14:09.33 | marcio3000 | how can I connect to Internet with debian in VirtualBox ? |
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| 14:10.32 | jimbalaya | abrotman: yep, i've got a small CD burned and running now ... i'm just worried about whether i need to have a 'base' system installed on the drive i'll restore to, or if there are other switches that i'll need with rsync |
| 14:10.44 | Nyle | Err http://ftp.debian.org testing/contrib Packages 404 Not Found |
| 14:10.44 | Nyle | Err http://ftp.debian.org testing/non-free Packages 404 Not Found |
| 14:10.52 | Nyle | now I am getting these errors all of a sudden |
| 14:11.02 | Nyle | just 5 minutes ago everything was fine |
| 14:11.12 | Nyle | I changed testing to lenny and same erorrs |
| 14:12.12 | marcio3000 | how can I connect to Internet with debian in VirtualBox ? |
| 14:12.14 | Nyle | i've tried many different mirrors as well |
| 14:12.35 | cast | marcio3000: didn't you just say that |
| 14:12.47 | jimbalaya | by the sound of it, though, it seems that just reversing the src & dest will do it |
| 14:13.33 | Nyle | marcio3000: you have to enable nic use in virtualbox, pick the type of connection you want, if you want to share it, or get your own ip from the dhcp server if you have a router etc., and then tell debian's networking interfaces config to use the settings you picked |
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| 14:14.53 | jimbalaya | marcio3000: one of these might walk you through the process - http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_HOWTOS |
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| 14:16.53 | jimbalaya | thanks for the help, everyone ... time to go do some testing |
| 14:17.08 | Nyle | hey man whats going on with the debian mirrors and stuff |
| 14:17.16 | Nyle | is anyone else having any issues |
| 14:17.33 | Nyle | my mirrors are correct yest I can't find any package lists |
| 14:17.53 | Nyle | b http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:17.53 | Nyle | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:17.59 | Nyle | deb* |
| 14:19.09 | liable | security is working here for stable |
| 14:19.11 | Nyle | I've tried many diff mirrors. At first the security wasn't working, then it worked for a while, now both are dead regardless of which mirror is used. At first I changed lenny to testing, and it seemed to fix the p roblem |
| 14:19.17 | Nyle | liable: I am on testing |
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| 14:19.57 | cast | iceweasel update |
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| 14:20.12 | Nyle | what? |
| 14:20.23 | moope1 | how do you make a bootable usb dos for flash updates |
| 14:20.36 | Nyle | bios flashing |
| 14:20.37 | liable | good point, lucky its not an oo update :) |
| 14:20.44 | Nyle | liable: so what happens |
| 14:21.00 | Nyle | liable: they take down the entire thing for one update? |
| 14:21.10 | liable | Nyle: no idea. i dont have a testing box |
| 14:21.25 | moope1 | Nyle? |
| 14:21.55 | liable | Nyle: security doesnt get mirrored, so on big packages that have security updates, its slows them to a crawl, but i dont know why you cant even find the package list |
| 14:22.33 | Nyle | liable: fuck it man |
| 14:22.35 | liable | s/them/it/ |
| 14:22.36 | stew | Nyle: works for me |
| 14:22.44 | Nyle | everytime I use testing debian wants to give me shit |
| 14:22.51 | Nyle | I'm going back to sid |
| 14:22.52 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:23.53 | n_np | hey stew |
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| 14:23.57 | Nyle | stew: hi |
| 14:23.57 | stew | hi |
| 14:24.10 | Azar | Nyle hi |
| 14:24.18 | Nyle | hey brother |
| 14:25.04 | Nyle | I was using xp x64 for a while cuz I got a new game, and now I'm going back to debian and its a pain in the patoot |
| 14:25.15 | Azar | Nyle: just for kiks change testing with lenny |
| 14:25.24 | Nyle | Azar: first thing I tried |
| 14:25.30 | Nyle | and I tried it many times |
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| 14:26.29 | stew | Nyle: if you are having trouble using security.debian.org, i'd suspect you are having networking problems |
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| 14:26.54 | Taza | Could anyone suggest a debian distro coming with TrueCrypt that WOULDN'T be Ubuntu? |
| 14:26.57 | Azar | Nyle: not working you got some snapshot of what it say? |
| 14:27.01 | Taza | I'm tired of dealing with the retards on #ubuntu |
| 14:27.53 | Nyle | stew: I don't have trouble and then I have it, and then I don't have it. Only happens when I use 'testing' or 'lenny' in sources.list and do update. If I update using 'etch' or stable, unstable or 'sid' all the mirrors are fine *sid has no security of course* |
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| 14:28.09 | Nyle | its only with the testing or lenny subdir within the mirrors that give me errors |
| 14:28.48 | Nyle | I can access all the mirrors, I get 404 on files though, paths seem to be screwey, even though my sources.list was generated by debian and I made sure its fine |
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| 14:28.49 | stew | Taza: please keep it on-topic, and constructive |
| 14:28.50 | Azar | Nyle: but can we see what errors give? |
| 14:29.09 | Taza | stew: That is on-topic. |
| 14:29.24 | stew | Taza: your comments about #ubuntu are not |
| 14:29.24 | Nyle | hang on i'll have to scroll up because I'm' already downloading sid xorg |
| 14:29.33 | Taza | stew: Someone would have asked "Why not Ubuntu"? |
| 14:29.36 | stew | Nyle: i don't think there is an intermittent problem with the lenny/testing symlink |
| 14:29.47 | cast | Taza: why are you even using truecrypt |
| 14:29.48 | Nyle | b http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:29.50 | Nyle | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:30.09 | moope1 | how do I make a usb bootable msdos |
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| 14:30.15 | Nyle | 09:32 < Nyle> deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:30.18 | Nyle | 09:32 < Nyle> deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:30.19 | Taza | cast: Because I'm using it under Windows. |
| 14:30.36 | Nyle | those are mine mirrors |
| 14:30.46 | Nyle | i mean, entries in sources.list |
| 14:30.56 | Azar | Nyle: you don't use deb-src with the mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 14:31.12 | Nyle | I don't use sources unless I need to dl a source package |
| 14:31.13 | stew | Nyle: yes, i have the same |
| 14:31.18 | Nyle | updates are unneccerily long |
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| 14:31.45 | Nyle | stew: like I said only the testing or lenny give me crap, etch and sid are fine |
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| 14:31.49 | Nyle | on the same mirrors |
| 14:32.14 | Taza | So yeah |
| 14:32.28 | Nyle | moope1: ask in ##windows |
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| 14:32.32 | asg | Nyle: have you tried the direct ftp.debian.org sources? |
| 14:32.34 | Taza | If I get TrueCrypt working with Debian without having to use more than 100mb of harddrive space, it'd be perfect. |
| 14:32.45 | stew | Nyle: so you are thinking that there is an intermittent problem with the apache server on both security.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 14:32.52 | cast | Taza: so what, you dual boot a lot? |
| 14:32.59 | want-compiz | lo... |
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| 14:33.14 | Nyle | stew: I can't say. Its a very very remote probability, but |
| 14:33.32 | Taza | cast: Nooo. I just happen to have 500gb of TrueCrypt encrypted stuff I cannot re-encrypt. |
| 14:33.33 | stew | Nyle: well i haven't had any problems recently using the same deb lines |
| 14:33.42 | moope1 | Nyle: Im in linux, I need to flash my hardware |
| 14:33.54 | Nyle | stew: I'm quite positive my connection is dandy |
| 14:34.20 | Nyle | moope1: google for 'how to make bootable linux usb key' etc. etc. |
| 14:34.21 | cast | Taza: surely a crafty person like you could reencrypt it with a grml livecd :) |
| 14:34.38 | Taza | If I could stab you in the face for that, I would. |
| 14:34.58 | Nyle | well that was rude |
| 14:34.59 | stew | Taza: please keep it constructive |
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| 14:35.11 | moope1 | Nyle, I need to create an ms-dos bootable usb key in linux so I can flash my hardware |
| 14:35.23 | Taza | cast: 500gb of stuff, and no way to decrypt it under linux with my hardware. |
| 14:35.26 | cast | Taza: why, i answered your question. |
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| 14:35.46 | Taza | stew: You're just WAY TOO DUMB to be on IRC. |
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| 14:35.51 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 14:35.53 | want-compiz | lo... ladies and gentleman... im experimentin with compiz-window-manager for 24 hours straight and totally lost ... i need competent help... pls :.( |
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| 14:36.22 | Azar | Nyle: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 14:36.25 | cast | if you have 500gb of stuff and no way to decrypt it with your hardware, then what does it matter if truecrypt works or not :) |
| 14:36.44 | Nyle | Azar: thanks |
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| 14:36.53 | sonnie | i have a ds2405 connected to debian/hppa 4.0. which module should i load to recognize the raid? |
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| 14:37.31 | want-compiz | just cant get it running... |
| 14:38.00 | want-compiz | im in agony here ;) |
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| 14:38.22 | Azar | Nyle: answers "page not found" issue too |
| 14:38.28 | Nyle | yup |
| 14:38.28 | Dewi | cast: that's nothing, I have petabytes of data on my system that nobody can decrypt. I keep it in a little file I like to call /dev/random . |
| 14:38.34 | Nyle | i need to install a browser first |
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| 14:38.45 | Azar | meh use links |
| 14:38.52 | Azar | is just text bro |
| 14:39.08 | wols_ | sonnie: have you checked lspci? |
| 14:39.18 | Nyle | too lazy man |
| 14:39.23 | Azar | hahaha |
| 14:39.25 | Nyle | too many keypresses |
| 14:39.31 | Nyle | it takes my joules of energy away |
| 14:39.38 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 14:39.42 | Azar | you are a pro you can do it |
| 14:40.11 | Nyle | oh I can, but would I |
| 14:40.17 | Nyle | thats the million dollar question |
| 14:40.19 | want-compiz | if someone could find a weak spot in his heart to help me he ... might go straight to heaven ... or stuff ;) |
| 14:40.22 | sonnie | i doubt if it is flooding: |
| 14:40.27 | sonnie | 00:00.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41) |
| 14:40.30 | sonnie | 00:01.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53C896/897 (rev 07) |
| 14:40.33 | sonnie | 00:01.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53C896/897 (rev 07) |
| 14:40.35 | Nyle | want-compiz: we can't help you if you don't tell us the error |
| 14:40.35 | sonnie | 00:02.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 (rev 37) |
| 14:40.38 | sonnie | 00:02.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 (rev 37) |
| 14:40.40 | sonnie | 00:04.0 System peripheral: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 128d (rev 01) |
| 14:40.43 | sonnie | 00:04.1 Serial controller: Hewlett-Packard Company Diva Serial [GSP] Multiport UART (rev 03) |
| 14:40.43 | Azar | sonnie: use a paster |
| 14:40.46 | Azar | !paster |
| 14:40.46 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:40.46 | sonnie | 20:00.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41) |
| 14:40.46 | wols_ | sonnie: so now search for a linux kernel module for this |
| 14:40.50 | sonnie | 20:02.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41) |
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| 14:41.12 | Azar | ah the heavenly silence, thanks stew |
| 14:41.30 | want-compiz | Nyle : thx for at least awnsering ;) compiz --replace just makes gnome titlebars dissapear .... |
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| 14:41.57 | want-compiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.59 | want-compiz | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBVisuals" is not used are the only warnings in xorg.conf ... |
| 14:42.23 | Nyle | you'll have to go to #compiz |
| 14:42.35 | want-compiz | no one talkin there ;) |
| 14:42.37 | Nyle | I can't help you, looks like its installed fine and everything |
| 14:42.43 | Nyle | want-compiz: be patient |
| 14:42.47 | want-compiz | and they probably use ubuntu ;) |
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| 14:43.00 | wols_ | want-compiz: dpkg -l compiz-gnome |
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| 14:45.32 | Nyle | !info ntfs-3g |
| 14:45.48 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.1004-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 14:46.34 | Dewi | is there a way to boot with a root filesystem whose device node is unknown? Like partition label, uuid, or something? |
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| 14:47.04 | stew | Dewi: yes, you can use root=UUID=0a020... or root=LABEL=somelabel |
| 14:47.08 | stew | Dewi: you can do the same in fstab |
| 14:47.17 | Zaurus | hi there |
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| 14:47.37 | Dewi | stew: awesome... I'm currently looking at doing that in the fstab, but doing it with grub as well is ideal |
| 14:47.56 | cast | wouldn't happen to be a way to make the installer do that would there? |
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| 14:48.18 | irix | Hi there, with an unwanted upgrade I missed synaptic and aptitude. And now I can't install theme because of dependancy problems, Any idea? http://phpfi.com/271882 |
| 14:48.20 | cast | would make installing debian then putting drive in another comp easy |
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| 14:48.54 | abrotman | irix: welcome to unstable |
| 14:49.06 | irix | abrotman: hey, thanks |
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| 14:49.44 | emss | irix: you could try resolving by manually downloading the correct debs and using dpkg? |
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| 14:50.08 | irix | emss: I can't find libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 |
| 14:51.23 | emss | hahaha, I just had the same issue |
| 14:51.55 | emss | downgrade apt? |
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| 14:52.18 | irix | emss: how can I downgrade apt? |
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| 14:52.25 | emss | it may help to keep the base packages testing and maybe using unstable for software like kde, gnome? |
| 14:52.59 | emss | irix: use dpkg or apt-get install apt=<version_here>, check the man pages for downgrade |
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| 14:53.36 | Zaurus | nonroot users cause Segmentation Fault when execute programs on my debian 4 |
| 14:53.50 | irix | emss: I installed apt_0.7.6_i386.deb manually, but it didn't solve the problem. |
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| 14:54.31 | emss | irix: what package depends on libapt-pkg-libc? |
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| 14:54.47 | Zaurus | any ideas? |
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| 14:55.34 | emss | Zaurus: your computer crashes? |
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| 14:56.06 | Zaurus | no, but I can't execute any programs |
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| 14:56.11 | irix | emss: hah, downgrading apt-utils solve the problem, Thanks fpr your help. |
| 14:56.21 | cast | Zaurus: and what causes this situation |
| 14:56.25 | cast | caused* |
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| 14:56.58 | asg | Zaurus: out of curiosity, what does 'ls -ld /' print? |
| 14:57.02 | Zaurus | nonroot users casue segmetation fault when execute any program |
| 14:58.14 | Zaurus | I don't use debian at this time, because I can't use any nonKDE programs .. |
| 14:58.48 | asg | KDE isn't needed to check the ownership/permissions on '/', just login at console |
| 14:59.05 | Zaurus | I guess it's the graphics card problem |
| 14:59.30 | Zaurus | when I login gnome, it freezes |
| 14:59.46 | Dewi | Zaurus: use the console |
| 14:59.51 | Zaurus | i.e. I can only login KDE |
| 14:59.53 | Nihill | I need to install libGL.so.1 but when I try to install the package it wants to get rid of xorg is there anyway to install it without apt removing these packages? |
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| 15:00.06 | Zaurus | yeah |
| 15:00.26 | Zaurus | startx will cause the same problem |
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| 15:00.43 | thunder_storm | hi @ all |
| 15:00.46 | Dewi | Zaurus: what about console programs that aren't in X? |
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| 15:01.02 | Zaurus | dine |
| 15:01.04 | Zaurus | fine |
| 15:01.31 | Dewi | Zaurus: so when you said "no programs work" you meant "gnome doesn't work" |
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| 15:01.54 | Zaurus | firefox, thunderbird ... |
| 15:01.56 | thunder_storm | i have a vps-server, that run with debian sarge - how long i can use sarge in the future (updates for security-patches, whatever)? |
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| 15:02.40 | wezza | why is nvidia not in the lenny repositories? |
| 15:03.05 | Zaurus | when I run firefox in terminal, it gives me a segmentation fault |
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| 15:03.39 | asg | Zaurus: what Debian version are you running? |
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| 15:03.59 | Zaurus | debian 4 not upgraded |
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| 15:04.25 | asg | Zaurus: have you always had these issues or is this something new? |
| 15:04.32 | Gvd | Hi, When installing from netinstall cd and deselecting all options gives a very basic system, now what do i need to apt-get from the cd source in order to get the network to work then? (net-tools, dhcp3) ? |
| 15:04.40 | Zaurus | yep |
| 15:04.47 | wols_ | thunder_storm: approximately until next year april. then sarge is EOL |
| 15:05.04 | asg | Zaurus: yep to which one |
| 15:05.07 | cast | Gvd: i have a feeling it should work without installing anything else |
| 15:05.07 | wols_ | Gvd: nothing |
| 15:05.19 | wols_ | Gvd: dhcp (client) already works. it's part of the basic system |
| 15:05.30 | wols_ | as for aynthing else /msg dpkg search |
| 15:05.36 | Zaurus | this problem disappeared under root |
| 15:05.44 | Gvd | wols_ : I have deselected everything also the 'basic system' |
| 15:05.45 | Dewi | Gvd: unless it's a wireless network |
| 15:05.54 | wols_ | Gvd: no you don't. |
| 15:06.00 | Dewi | Gvd: also you may need to configure your network |
| 15:06.28 | Zaurus | I always have them |
| 15:06.34 | wols_ | Gvd: you can't install debian without those things, so you do have them if you hae debian at all |
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| 15:06.43 | Gvd | wols i did, i don't have a network device then.. when i do select 'basic system' at install i have a normal working network |
| 15:06.53 | thunder_storm | wols_: thank you |
| 15:07.00 | wols_ | Gvd: ifconfig -a any network device? |
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| 15:07.06 | wezza | does anyone know why nvidia-glx is not in the lenny repositories? |
| 15:07.12 | Gvd | nope only the loopback |
| 15:07.22 | xingu | !choptimisation |
| 15:07.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, choptimisation is removing lines of code until runtime profile is satisfactory |
| 15:07.22 | Zaurus | asg, I think it's because of the graphics card driver |
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| 15:07.26 | Azar | wezza: because lenny is a "testing" version |
| 15:07.32 | wols_ | Gvd: then you are missed loading a kernel module. you haven't installed a kernel either? |
| 15:07.38 | wols_ | Gvd: what network chip |
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| 15:07.57 | mic_p | Hi all. I don't know if this are debian-related question, but ... I need to found the php(4) executable on my debian, but on the various php4* packages intalled, I don't found it... Some know where look for? Thanks! |
| 15:08.14 | asg | Zaurus: should be if everything works as root. |
| 15:08.18 | wols_ | mic_p: php4-cli /msg dpkg search |
| 15:08.20 | asg | Zaurus: sorry, it shouldn't be |
| 15:08.26 | Zaurus | yes |
| 15:08.35 | Gvd | wols I need to check that out. however i do have a very basic working station installing that way, only the network drives aint there. |
| 15:08.37 | asg | Zaurus: which driver? |
| 15:08.44 | Gvd | I'll check out the network |
| 15:08.44 | Dewi | mic_p: dpkg --listfiles <packagename> |
| 15:08.47 | Zaurus | ati X1400 |
| 15:08.47 | wols_ | Gvd: I asked you something |
| 15:09.12 | mic_p | wols_; thanks. Found it! |
| 15:09.13 | asg | Zaurus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (try the vesa driver and see if that fixes things) |
| 15:09.24 | wols_ | Zaurus: create a new user, start firefox under this user. most probably your firefox dotfiles are hosed |
| 15:09.29 | Gvd | wols_ onboard and trough vmware |
| 15:09.50 | wols_ | Gvd: that's not answering my question |
| 15:09.50 | Gvd | wols_ gime a sec I check out |
| 15:09.50 | mic_p | Dewi: right, but don't know what package :) |
| 15:10.09 | wols_ | mic_p: the search factoid helps in such cases |
| 15:10.10 | Gvd | <wols_> Gvd: what network chip |
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| 15:10.29 | Dewi | mic_p: dpkg --list | grep -i php |
| 15:10.34 | Zaurus | some programs say they don't support the current display settings |
| 15:10.34 | axscode | Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection 802.11a/b/g MiniPCI card <-- anyone knows whats the driver for this? |
| 15:10.50 | wols_ | !ipw3945 |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 15:10.51 | DA-Laptop | Yes |
| 15:10.56 | DA-Laptop | www.intellinuxwireless.org |
| 15:10.58 | DA-Laptop | Iwlwifi |
| 15:11.01 | wols_ | DA-Laptop: no |
| 15:11.02 | Zaurus | but they all work under root |
| 15:11.13 | mic_p | Dewi: good trickle. Wrote on my dpkg_trickle.txt. Thanks! |
| 15:11.14 | Gvd | wols I see only 2 questions : 1 about the network one about the kernel : yes kernel is installed. I have bootable system |
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| 15:11.17 | DA-Laptop | wols_: Iwlwifi and ipw3045 both work for that card |
| 15:11.32 | wols_ | Gvd: I asked you what network chip it is. I still don't have an answer |
| 15:11.50 | wols_ | DA-Laptop: is there a iwlwifi package in the debian etch repo? |
| 15:11.55 | DA-Laptop | No |
| 15:11.58 | DA-Laptop | I just compile my own |
| 15:12.04 | wols_ | then why are you bringing it up? |
| 15:12.10 | axscode | is ipw3945-modules is on the netinstall ? |
| 15:12.12 | DA-Laptop | Cause it's a newer, more advanced driver |
| 15:12.17 | wols_ | axscode: no it's not |
| 15:12.25 | DA-Laptop | It could be compared to OSS vs. ALSA |
| 15:12.26 | axscode | how about CD1 ?? |
| 15:12.36 | Gvd | wols_ lspci => Intel Corporation 82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 15:12.37 | asg | axscode: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 15:12.38 | wols_ | axscode: it's not in main, so it's on no CD |
| 15:13.01 | wols_ | Gvd: modprobe e1000 check if it's loaded |
| 15:13.13 | Gvd | yup |
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| 15:13.29 | wols_ | and you still don't have a network interface as seen with ifconfig -a ? |
| 15:13.38 | Gvd | wols_ on this box it is on the minimal install it aint |
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| 15:13.59 | wols_ | either you do EXACTLY what I ask you or you can look for help elsewhere |
| 15:13.59 | axscode | and its not appearing also in infconfig -a |
| 15:14.03 | hmuller | hello all. Anyone using aide? |
| 15:14.19 | wols_ | and if the module is properly loaded and you have a kernel installed there is a interface |
| 15:14.33 | wols_ | also, your talk about "minimal install" is simply utter nonsense |
| 15:14.38 | hmuller | I specifically have a question on aide.conf.autogenerated |
| 15:14.48 | liable_ | e1000 can gives firmware errors on certain cards |
| 15:14.55 | liable_ | reloading the module helps |
| 15:14.56 | wols_ | axscode: it won't until you follow that factoid above |
| 15:15.45 | Azar | hmuller: if no one answered, chances are no one uses aide |
| 15:16.04 | wols_ | Azar: to answer he'd have to ask a proper queastion first |
| 15:16.06 | axscode | i dont have internet.. wifi is the only way... |
| 15:16.06 | hmuller | Azar: I figured as much |
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| 15:16.22 | Azar | oh wols_ that too :) |
| 15:16.30 | wols_ | axscode: you are on the internet right now so you can get the needed file(s) |
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| 15:17.07 | axscode | yes.. how please... so that i can transfer it via usb |
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| 15:17.32 | wols_ | 3by downloading them and copying them over, how else? |
| 15:17.48 | Gvd | wols_ I understand it, I need the minimal install for testing. Wich happens under vmware. I did wrote down what you said and sure it'll work. I'll redo that one |
| 15:17.51 | liable_ | axscode: go to packages.debian.org and get the modules for your kernel, plus firmware, plus WIRELESS-TOOLS |
| 15:18.00 | liable_ | oops |
| 15:18.05 | axscode | i have wireless tools included |
| 15:18.11 | liable_ | \my capslock led broke somehow |
| 15:18.18 | wols_ | Gvd: no need to redo |
| 15:18.39 | wols_ | Gvd: and we don't support vmware. last but not least: vmware doesn't have a intel NIC. never did |
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| 15:19.09 | x03 | hi all |
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| 15:19.13 | x03 | i have a litlle problem here |
| 15:20.09 | x03 | whith cpan, when i try upgrade i get this error (LWP failed with code[500] message[Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18.3) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.17-1-em64t-p4-smp) |
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| 15:20.36 | Nihill | how can I find a lib? |
| 15:20.40 | stew | x03: in general you shouldn't use cpan directly, what are you trying to install? |
| 15:20.43 | stew | Nihill: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:20.45 | Gvd | wols_ this info is what debian lspci gives me while running on vmware with a working ethernet |
| 15:20.50 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out to which module drivers/net/ipg.c belongs to? |
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| 15:21.29 | x03 | stew: im trying to solve solme problem whith aparently perl modules when o try bring up the amavis-new daemon |
| 15:21.34 | Gvd | wols_ but the info on the e1000 will most likely solve it as it is also loaded on this one wich runs fine. again thx for help |
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| 15:21.49 | stew | x03: which perl modules? how did you install amavis? |
| 15:21.50 | x03 | stew: # /etc/init.d/amavis start |
| 15:21.50 | x03 | Starting amavisd: ERROR: MISSING REQUIRED BASIC MODULES: Errno |
| 15:21.52 | axscode | http://packages.debian.org/etch/ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-5-686 <=== how can i download this please |
| 15:21.55 | Nyle_ | ohkkay |
| 15:22.29 | liable | axscode: it has a link at the bottom, for various architectures |
| 15:22.31 | stew | axscode: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:22.40 | axscode | etch |
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| 15:22.52 | b52laptop | hi |
| 15:22.54 | x03 | stew: i have upgraded recently the perl-base and perl-modules from apt |
| 15:23.00 | axscode | i386 |
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| 15:23.02 | stew | axscode: "aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-5-686" will download and install it, add -d if you just want to download and not install |
| 15:23.05 | b52laptop | ppl how could i flush totaly the outuput of route -n |
| 15:23.13 | axscode | stew.. i dont have internet.. you get it? |
| 15:23.17 | wols_ | stew: this won't work when he has no internet |
| 15:23.18 | b52laptop | i mean delete all route at once |
| 15:23.34 | stew | axscode: then you can't download it |
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| 15:23.55 | x03 | stew: do you have some ideia ? |
| 15:24.01 | axscode | huh? |
| 15:24.04 | stew | x03: how did you install amavis? |
| 15:24.09 | axscode | i just download it |
| 15:24.11 | x03 | stew: apt |
| 15:24.17 | asg | b52laptop: iproute2 should be able to do that |
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| 15:24.47 | wols_ | b52laptop: route -r |
| 15:24.48 | asg | b52laptop: in the iproute package |
| 15:24.49 | axscode | http://packages.debian.org/etch/ipw3945-modules-2.6-686/i386/download <== here, i download it in jp mirror.. |
| 15:24.54 | axscode | you can download it... |
| 15:25.12 | sonnie | hi wols_, i still can't get how to load the right module for the raid |
| 15:25.34 | sonnie | 00:01.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53C896/897 (rev 07) |
| 15:25.53 | wols_ | and I told you before to look for a driver for that chip |
| 15:26.16 | stew | sonnie: what does "lspci -n | awk '/00:01.0/{print $3}'" return? |
| 15:26.30 | x03 | stew: no ideias ? |
| 15:26.33 | sonnie | 1000:000b |
| 15:26.43 | jimbalaya | i made full backups of my system with the command: rsync -avz --delete --delete-excluded --exclude-from="$EXCLUDEFILE" -d ssh -i "/path/to/rsaID" user@host:/ /path/to/directory |
| 15:26.52 | axscode | nice,, next question is. how to install this pleasE? |
| 15:26.52 | stew | sonnie: its sym53c8xx |
| 15:26.54 | jimbalaya | and i excluded proc, mnt, sys, and dev |
| 15:27.01 | wols_ | axscode: man dpkg |
| 15:27.05 | sonnie | stew: i have loaded it. |
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| 15:27.07 | b52laptop | wols_, asg i tried route -CF flush , he answer flushing inet routing table not supported :( |
| 15:27.19 | jimbalaya | i'm about to restore to a new HD, and I don't know if i need to install a 'base' system first |
| 15:27.23 | stew | sonnie: that is the right module for that card |
| 15:27.34 | stew | x03: you don't know which perl module it is looking for? |
| 15:27.40 | stew | x03: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:27.42 | jimbalaya | this was my system disk, so i'm not sure if grub, etc will be functional after a simple rsync restore |
| 15:27.52 | sonnie | stew: but what should i do next? dmraid seems not the right tool. |
| 15:27.55 | axscode | ok so ill just dpkg them |
| 15:28.16 | axscode | next question. what do i need to connect USB harddrive? |
| 15:29.02 | epsilon | an USB cable |
| 15:29.12 | dutchfish | an USB bus |
| 15:29.45 | stew | sonnie: dmraid would be if you had a fakeraid card. this doesn't appear to be a raid card |
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| 15:29.56 | stew | axscode: /msg dpkg usb-storag |
| 15:29.58 | stew | axscode: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 15:30.34 | x03 | stew: no my error is: Starting amavisd: ERROR: MISSING REQUIRED BASIC MODULES: Errno |
| 15:30.36 | dutchfish | axscode, /msg dpkg automount |
| 15:30.37 | x03 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/amavisd-new line 171. |
| 15:30.50 | sonnie | stew: what's the meaning of this line? 50:00.0 Fibre Channel: Hewlett-Packard Company Tach XL2 Fibre Channel Host Adapter (rev 0b) |
| 15:30.54 | x03 | stew: im using lenny |
| 15:31.07 | stew | axscode: if you are trying to use ipw3945, you'll also need ipw3945d and firmware-ipw3945 |
| 15:31.18 | stew | x03: check the bts: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:31.20 | h3sp4wn | If I am using the following in .emacs (so I can press F1 to open the manpage of a command how can I make it so it uses the C man pages not the shell ones) - (global-set-key [(f1)] (lambda () (interactive) (manual-entry (current-word)))) |
| 15:31.28 | sonnie | the HP ds2405 is connected via fibre cable |
| 15:31.54 | stew | sonnie: it means you have a fiber channel disk adapter connected to one of your busses |
| 15:32.06 | stew | h3sp4wn: ask #emacs |
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| 15:32.38 | stew | x03: have you looked at the area around line 171 to see what it is trying to do? |
| 15:32.58 | sonnie | stew: so how to detect the disks on that disk server? |
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| 15:33.15 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: you can do (manual-entry (concat (current-word) "(3)")) |
| 15:33.21 | stew | sonnie: did you load a module for that fiberchannel adapter? |
| 15:33.23 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: but that has its own problems |
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| 15:33.29 | stew | sonnie: if so, "fdisk -l" should list the disks |
| 15:33.37 | stew | sonnie: if you don't know what module supports that card, use: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 15:33.41 | Nihill | can anyone help me I've installed libGL.so.1 like the program asked but it still says it's missing |
| 15:33.58 | axscode | is usb-storage and sd_mod available in netinstall ? |
| 15:34.13 | stew | Nihill: what program? what exact error message did you get? how did you install that library? |
| 15:34.16 | stew | axscode: yes |
| 15:34.22 | axscode | nice stew.. |
| 15:34.44 | Nihill | it's neverwinternights |
| 15:35.11 | stew | Nihill: so you type "neverwinternights" and you get an error message? what message? |
| 15:35.12 | Nihill | I apt-get the lib it was after and as far as I know it's installed |
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| 15:35.21 | axscode | nice stew.. |
| 15:35.25 | Nihill | ./nwmain: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:35.29 | h3sp4wn | \amethyst: Yeah but they might not necessarily be in man 3 |
| 15:35.36 | axscode | how to use this ipw3945? anyone have a URL for this please? |
| 15:35.37 | Nihill | I have libGL.so.1 |
| 15:35.44 | sonnie | stew: no suggestions is given for that fiberchannel. |
| 15:35.54 | stew | sonnie: did you load the module that supports that card? |
| 15:36.03 | stew | sonnie: i suggest you load the driver for it and run "fdisk -l" |
| 15:36.06 | xsdg | Nihill: run `ldd ./nwmain` |
| 15:36.11 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: The docs *say* that manual-entry is supposed to get all the manpages with that name, from all sections. But here (xemacs 21) it certainly doesn't |
| 15:36.12 | Nihill | ok |
| 15:36.44 | axscode | anyone have a URL that uses ipw3945 upto a working wireless connection? |
| 15:36.51 | stew | axscode: install the ipw3945-modules-$version ipw3945d firmware-ipw3945 packages, then modprobe ipw3945 |
| 15:36.56 | Nihill | it says not found on about four of the things |
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| 15:37.14 | xsdg | Nihill: such as |
| 15:37.25 | Nihill | hang on I'll pastebin it |
| 15:37.39 | xsdg | cool |
| 15:37.55 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: If you don't mind affecting the behaviour of 'man' from the command line, you can change the order of the sections |
| 15:38.05 | Nihill | xsdg, http://pastebin.com/m2fb92a2c |
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| 15:39.26 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: in /etc/manpath.config something like SECTION 3 2 1 8 3posix 1posix n l 3pm 3perl 5 4 9 6 7 7posix |
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| 15:39.33 | dutchfish | does anyone knows if a swap partiion mounted in an extended partition indeed slow down disk performance or not? |
| 15:39.41 | wols_ | dutchfish: not |
| 15:39.42 | xsdg | Nihill: ok; you said you have libGL.so.1; where is it? |
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| 15:39.51 | dutchfish | wols_, thx wols_ |
| 15:39.57 | \amethyst | dutchfish: no more than having a swap partition in a primary partition |
| 15:40.06 | dutchfish | \amethyst, right |
| 15:40.17 | Nihill | /usr/lib/ |
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| 15:41.12 | wols_ | Nihill: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 15:41.18 | xsdg | Nihill: oh; are you running amd64? |
| 15:41.23 | Nihill | yep |
| 15:41.44 | xsdg | Nihill: you probably need a 32-bit version of the OpenGL libs |
| 15:41.59 | sonnie | stew: still don't know which module should I load for the fibre channel. |
| 15:42.21 | xsdg | Nihill: (that is, I presume NWN is only compiled for 32-bit machines) |
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| 15:43.47 | Nihill | is it going to be easier to install a 32bit os? |
| 15:44.08 | xsdg | Nihill: what's the purpose of the machine? |
| 15:44.30 | wols_ | xsdg: running games obviously |
| 15:44.35 | xsdg | Nihill: (also, what a lot of people do is make a 32-bit chroot, where they install a 32-bit distro |
| 15:44.36 | wols_ | Nihill: how much memory do you have? |
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| 15:44.43 | xsdg | wols_: computers can have more than one purpose |
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| 15:45.27 | Nihill | sorry |
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| 15:45.34 | Nihill | my comp has a gig of ram |
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| 15:45.44 | Nihill | it just a general computer too |
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| 15:46.05 | xsdg | Nihill: are you planning on doing any serious computation on it? |
| 15:46.19 | xsdg | Nihill: (that is, math, scientific, or engineering-related stuff) |
| 15:46.21 | wols_ | Nihill: you can run 32bit debian and make a lot of things easier when proprietary software is involved (like games, flash plugin, etc) |
| 15:46.22 | Nihill | oh no |
| 15:46.31 | Nihill | oh ok |
| 15:46.43 | Nihill | so in your opinion just use 32-bit then? |
| 15:46.53 | xsdg | Nihill: yeah, 32-bit will probably be easier then, especially since you don't have enough memory to take advantage of 48-bit or 64-bit addressing |
| 15:47.21 | grub | how much memory is required for that? |
| 15:47.23 | \amethyst | If you get enough memory, you can always run 32-bit debian with a 64-bit kernel |
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| 15:47.38 | dutchfish | wols_, any estimation in speed loss 32bit compared to 64bit? |
| 15:47.44 | xsdg | grub: 4 gigs+, you want a 64-bit user space |
| 15:47.52 | grub | ooh. |
| 15:48.00 | jelly-home | dutchfish: uh, depends on the app |
| 15:48.05 | xsdg | dutchfish: none/very little? amd64 was designed to do both things well |
| 15:48.10 | wols_ | dutchfish: usually not noticeable. some say 5% or so which means: nothing unless you explicitly bench |
| 15:48.11 | \amethyst | You don't really need 64-bit user space unless you want a single process to use more than 64GB |
| 15:48.22 | xsdg | \amethyst: that's untrue |
| 15:48.22 | jelly-home | 4GB. |
| 15:48.25 | b52laptop | i have a entry table ==> destination:192.168.1.0 gateway:0.0.0.0 genmask:255.255.255.0 flags:U metric 0 ref 0 use 0 Iface eth0 when i do route del gw 0.0.0.0 i got gw: host name lookup failure , is it weird , or i have missed something |
| 15:48.26 | grub | 64GB? |
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| 15:48.33 | xsdg | \amethyst: 4 gigs is the per-process limit for 32-bit systems |
| 15:48.41 | wols_ | \amethyst: any processneeding more than 3.5GB, not 64 |
| 15:48.44 | dutchfish | wols_, that would make it acceptable for Nihill's purpose |
| 15:49.08 | \amethyst | I meant 4GB |
| 15:49.09 | \amethyst | doh |
| 15:49.09 | xsdg | wols_: IME, it's 3 GB, though you can patch the kernel to give you all 4 |
| 15:49.17 | jelly-home | \amethyst: and in fact, my userspace often runs out of address space (while actual RES usage is lower) |
| 15:49.19 | Nihill | I'm gonna go dig out my debian cd |
| 15:49.27 | Nihill | thanks for the help guys :D |
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| 15:49.37 | xsdg | Nihill: np |
| 15:49.37 | grub | xsdg, so >4GB would be helpful for 64bit? rather help me use it to the full potential? |
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| 15:49.46 | wols_ | xsdg: you cannot have 4GB since the kernel and libraries need some. so it's around 3.5 max |
| 15:50.02 | wols_ | grub: no |
| 15:50.12 | jelly-home | grub: it's the other way round. If you have an app that uses 4GB or more, it would benefit from 64bit |
| 15:50.13 | xsdg | wols_: ::nod:: |
| 15:50.19 | grub | ah |
| 15:50.24 | wols_ | grub: other way around: if you have 4GB or more, then 64bit would be helpful |
| 15:50.35 | grub | ah, ok i get it now :) |
| 15:50.40 | xsdg | "benefit"? "helpful"? Must be understatement-o-clock |
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| 15:50.45 | liable | does nslookup keep a tmp file somewhere or summin? |
| 15:51.03 | xsdg | liable: "possibly"? what's your real question? |
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| 15:51.11 | jelly-home | xsdg: or just keeping things simple. |
| 15:51.16 | liable | i can get very quick responses from nslookup, but pings and web browsing is lagging during lookups |
| 15:51.28 | liable | xsdg: see ^^ |
| 15:51.44 | xsdg | liable: does `ping -n <dest>` go faster? |
| 15:52.00 | wols_ | liable: check dig |
| 15:52.09 | dutchfish | liable, .hostory you mean? |
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| 15:52.15 | dutchfish | liable, .history you mean? |
| 15:52.21 | liable | xsdg: no |
| 15:52.32 | xsdg | liable: then the problem isn't with DNS, most likely |
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| 15:52.46 | xsdg | liable: I would guess it's something related to TCP traffic vs. UDP traffic |
| 15:52.58 | dutchfish | liable, and your proxy does also |
| 15:53.48 | liable | wols_: dig seems as fast as nslookup |
| 15:53.51 | xsdg | liable: maybe try traceroute to see where it starts getting slow? |
| 15:54.03 | liable | xsdg: yeah, been there also |
| 15:54.59 | dutchfish | liable, check out your dns-servers that you use also |
| 15:55.08 | xsdg | liable: does `ifconfig` show large numbers of errors or anything like that? |
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| 15:55.37 | xsdg | dutchfish: since `ping -n` is still slow, I think that suggests pretty strongly that the issue isn't DNS |
| 15:55.41 | dutchfish | liable, most of the time the problem lies there |
| 15:56.12 | xsdg | liable: to double-check, is it still slow if you run `ping -n <ip-address-of-destination>`? |
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| 15:56.25 | dutchfish | xsdg, if you ip yes |
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| 15:57.26 | gribouille | hi |
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| 15:57.42 | xsdg | well, off to hunt for free food; good luck! |
| 15:57.47 | Nyle | free food? |
| 15:57.49 | Nyle | mm |
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| 15:58.17 | gribouille | I want to install debian, but I have already a bootloader. how can I tell the installer to put the boot information in the menu.lst file ? |
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| 15:58.48 | mejo | hey |
| 15:59.31 | wols_ | gribouille: can't |
| 15:59.39 | gribouille | wols_, why ? |
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| 15:59.59 | wols_ | cause debian cannot deal with different bootloadedrs from several distros and combine them |
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| 16:00.11 | wols_ | you have to edit your existing menu.lst manually |
| 16:00.28 | gribouille | wols_, but what do I have to put inside ? |
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| 16:00.46 | wols_ | that depends how you install what |
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| 16:01.18 | wols_ | in the installer you don't instally any bootloader and then edit the menu.lst later |
| 16:01.21 | mejo | if i copy a large file inside a mounted filesystem (ext3), is it possible that the file is changed during the copy process? |
| 16:01.43 | wols_ | it's never possible a file changes when copying... |
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| 16:02.22 | mejo | wols_: but only inside one filesystem, right? |
| 16:02.47 | wols_ | mejo: no. if you copy a file you don't change it. you copy |
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| 16:03.05 | wols_ | doesnt matter what source or destination |
| 16:03.11 | Wyzard | wols_: He's not asking if the copying process changes the file |
| 16:03.20 | mejo | wols_: no, i mean if something else (a daemon) is writing to the file while it is copied. |
| 16:03.25 | Wyzard | mejo: Yes, it's possible that something else can write to the file while you're copying it |
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| 16:04.32 | mejo | Wyzard: so such a copy may lead to a result which is not a copy of the original either before or after the copy? |
| 16:04.37 | Wyzard | yes |
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| 16:05.29 | mejo | because i asked on the zope-users mailinglist if i could backup the global Data.fs (database) while the daemon is running, and someone answered: |
| 16:05.39 | mejo | If you create a local copy, it is safe. If you rsync a running Data.fs it is not safe. In this case you create a local copy and rsync the copy. |
| 16:06.16 | Wyzard | mejo: Making a local copy is faster, so it'd be safer, but still not completely safe |
| 16:06.28 | mejo | exactly, that's what i thought as well. |
| 16:06.37 | mejo | but when i wrote that, he replied: |
| 16:06.50 | mejo | Think twice about your last sentence. What should cause a local *copy* to be changed?? |
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| 16:07.06 | mejo | so he's wrong? |
| 16:07.16 | Wyzard | I'd say he's wrong |
| 16:07.29 | Wyzard | A local copy isn't instantaneous, and Zope changes the file while it's being read |
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| 16:07.53 | wols_ | he is wrong yes |
| 16:07.59 | mejo | thanks. is it ok for you if i quote you in my reply mail? |
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| 16:08.06 | Wyzard | mejo: sure |
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| 16:08.19 | robin_sz | hi, so, if I wanted to offer an sftp service to a user, but not allow SSH shell access? |
| 16:08.23 | robin_sz | is this possible? |
| 16:08.30 | wols_ | mejo: while copying zope could change the database and create an inconsistent state |
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| 16:08.37 | petemc | robin_sz: look at scponly |
| 16:08.50 | robin_sz | in sshd.conf? |
| 16:08.56 | liable | hrm, i cant ping certain sites also.. someone ping 207.46.150.50 (its a msn site) |
| 16:08.58 | jelly-home | !info scponly |
| 16:09.03 | dpkg | scponly: (Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.6-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 16:09.20 | robin_sz | kk |
| 16:09.31 | robin_sz | snd chroot them to their homedir? |
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| 16:11.03 | irix|AFK | info irix |
| 16:11.06 | irix|AFK | oops |
| 16:11.08 | irix|AFK | sorry |
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| 16:12.48 | liable | for debug purposes for me, can someone ping |
| 16:12.57 | liable | 207.46.150.50 |
| 16:13.06 | \amethyst | liable: 36 bytes from 10.22.0.14: Packet Filtered |
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| 16:13.28 | liable | \amethyst: thats good |
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| 16:13.45 | xingu | liable: blackholes beyond 207.46.150.50, here. |
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| 16:13.51 | dutchfish | liable, 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 9001ms |
| 16:13.51 | Wyzard | hmm, didn't know there was an ICMP "packet filtered" message |
| 16:14.07 | liable | i thought i was going mad for a while |
| 16:14.23 | xingu | err, beyond 207.46.35.34 |
| 16:14.24 | liable | i didnt get the filtered on this one, have before though |
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| 16:15.11 | xingu | liable: you know, the easiest way to troubleshoot networking performance, is by capturing some packets and analysing the result... |
| 16:15.27 | dutchfish | !wireshark |
| 16:15.27 | dpkg | network protocol analyzer formerly known as ethereal - http://wireshark.org |
| 16:15.48 | xand | !greenhouse |
| 16:15.48 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
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| 16:16.19 | dutchfish | thats a nice one |
| 16:16.34 | liable | xingu: yeah, i usually do when i know its on my network, or a wireless network i am using, but i have just started getting random dns problems |
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| 16:18.12 | \amethyst | Wyzard: it's destination unreachable, code 13 ("communication administratively prohibited") |
| 16:18.20 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 16:18.25 | dutchfish | liable, what dns server are you curently using (just curieus)? |
| 16:18.52 | liable | dutchfish: 192.231.203.132 |
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| 16:20.20 | dutchfish | liable, http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=192.231.203.132 |
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| 16:22.14 | liable | dutchfish: that gave me a page telling me to join up for a low low $3 a month and nothing else :) |
| 16:22.57 | xingu | liable: care to have a stab at a more precise problem description? |
| 16:23.05 | dutchfish | liable, yes saw that second time too, sorry |
| 16:23.18 | wsloand | Hi, I'm having trouble setting up smtp auth with postfix. I've checked the auth.log and mail.log, and the only messages that I'm getting are in the mail.log. They say "SASL plain authentication failed: authentication failure" |
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| 16:24.20 | wsloand | More info on my problem: testsaslauthd works correctly, and I can't determine a good way to test the connection between postfix and sasl. |
| 16:24.21 | M0useP0t4t0 | use OpenDNS, they are FREE & far more reliable |
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| 16:24.44 | A_Autar | Could someone tell me the name of the hostname that is listed when I joined? |
| 16:24.49 | liable | xingu: nothing more than random hanging lookups, i tried an old server i used to use and didnt have much joy from that either. i was just confused by being able to get instant nslookups, and then web pages/pings taking a few second to do a lookup |
| 16:25.01 | kwadronaut | A_Autar: /wii A_Autar |
| 16:25.02 | Wyzard | wsloand: I've set up Postfix to use Dovecot SASL by following the directions at http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL |
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| 16:25.29 | A_Autar | kwadronaut: I wonder if my own whois differs from the others. |
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| 16:26.19 | kwadronaut | A_Autar: long paste in query. |
| 16:26.24 | xingu | liable: nslookup is deprecated; dig, or host; and neither use libresolv+ the way your web browser will be, so you're testing two different calling chains (one being libnss->libresolv+, the other being a direct dns client driving sockets api) |
| 16:26.49 | liable | xingu: dig was instant on the few i tried as well. |
| 16:26.57 | liable | xingu: will try another few |
| 16:26.59 | xingu | liable: something that's happened in libc land in recent history, is the move to fetching aaaa as well as a records |
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| 16:27.03 | wsloand | Wyzard: I'll try it out. |
| 16:27.36 | xingu | liable: this can break some servers; and on others, trigger edns0 behaviour if the reply spills to >512b or so worth of udp reply. |
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| 16:27.52 | liable | xingu: i was initially blaming AAAA lookups, but i am getting them back (i did actually fire up ethereal to see if my router was flaking out, as i have had that problem before) |
| 16:28.36 | xingu | liable: what I'd suggest, is running your own caching bind9 resolver; and let it walk the root directly. |
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| 16:28.52 | Spiritus55 | Well, my install of debian has basically gone to shit. |
| 16:28.57 | Spiritus55 | Probably something with drivers.. I don't knwo. |
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| 16:29.11 | Spiritus55 | But, it doesn't recognize the mouse or, anything that has to do with usb plugged into it. |
| 16:29.19 | Spiritus55 | I didn't change anything.. it just did it.. |
| 16:29.31 | dutchfish | liable, the IP of your nameserver is not listed in DNS |
| 16:29.35 | Spiritus55 | I rebooted 2 times, and that didn't help anything, now I need help. I'm booting from Knoppix live cd. |
| 16:29.35 | xingu | liable: then at least you'll have two known quantities - one, you know the client<->cache transport is yours and not shedding edns0; and two, you know that the server implementation is reasonably modern and reasonable quality |
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| 16:29.50 | liable | xingu: i had never had the need before, and dont really want to, i have never really had a problem with it paste my router before, so i would just like to diagnose it atm. |
| 16:30.01 | bonez39 | what's the channel for debian openoffice? |
| 16:30.29 | liable | s/paste/past/ |
| 16:30.39 | dutchfish | liable, the IP of your nameserver is not listed in DNS or has changed |
| 16:30.45 | liable | dutchfish: do a whois from here it is |
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| 16:30.53 | xingu | liable: your (post-etch) libc will be running a different query profile to how it was "before" |
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| 16:31.19 | xingu | dutchfish: that's spurious information; if you read the page, you'll see it's bitching that the tld "132" doesn't exist. |
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| 16:31.32 | dutchfish | liable, whois doesnt server you, only a DNS server does |
| 16:31.33 | xingu | dutchfish: ie, you've put garbage in, and retrieved garbage out. |
| 16:32.09 | Spiritus55 | Anyone wanna help me out? |
| 16:32.19 | dutchfish | xingu, of coarse |
| 16:32.30 | xingu | liable: if you want to diagnose further, you'll need to perform a packet capture, of a "fast" query using dig, vs the same query as a "slow" query, from your browser |
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| 16:32.56 | xingu | liable: I'm just bored enough to trawl through it, if you can post the capture somewhere |
| 16:33.14 | robin_sz | so, vsftpd is the tool of choice? |
| 16:33.25 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: "USB suddenly doesn't work for no apparent reason" isn't enough information for anyone to have much of an idea of what might be wrong |
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| 16:33.49 | Nyle | i love kde |
| 16:34.05 | wasynyt_mac | what is the apt.get source for debian etch backports.. i would want to install gnome 2.20 on it |
| 16:34.10 | robin_sz | how nice for you |
| 16:34.24 | Wyzard | wasynyt_mac: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 16:34.30 | liable | xingu: you want an ethereal dump of a waiting dns lookup? |
| 16:34.30 | Wyzard | wasynyt_mac: but I doubt it has all of GNOME 2.20 |
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| 16:35.05 | xingu | liable: exactly; x2, the same record, one recording a dig of that name, and another the wire traffic that results from your browser querying |
| 16:35.10 | wasynyt_mac | well i will try |
| 16:35.12 | wasynyt_mac | thanks |
| 16:35.31 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Does it work from the liveCD? |
| 16:35.38 | xingu | liable: probably the former, just port 53 is fine (both tcp and udp please); the latter, no filter at all is appropriate if your site disclosure policy permits this |
| 16:35.41 | Spiritus55 | The drivers do. |
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| 16:35.49 | Spiritus55 | Yeah, I mean the mouse and DHCP work from the livecd.. |
| 16:35.55 | Spiritus55 | So, it's probably some corrupted drivers.. |
| 16:36.03 | liable | xingu: its a home network anyway |
| 16:36.04 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: DHCP doesn't work in your installation either? |
| 16:36.12 | zicho | Does anyone know where i can find an xmame irc channel? |
| 16:36.14 | xingu | liable: :) I tend not to assume :) |
| 16:36.17 | Spiritus55 | Well, it did work.. but, now it isn't. |
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| 16:36.45 | Spiritus55 | I can't connect to the internet, or use anything connected to the usb port, and I can't use the mouse or the touchpad, I even edited the BIOS, and it didn't let me use the touchpad. |
| 16:37.21 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Do you get error messages when you try to bring up a network interface? Are there any relevant messages in syslog? |
| 16:37.41 | liable | xingu: problem is, sometime the browser lookup will be quick, other times not. (for links from the same site going to other pages on the site (reddit)) |
| 16:37.53 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, I can't get any errors.. |
| 16:37.55 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: "nothing works" isn't enough information for anyone to help you with |
| 16:38.13 | liable | xingu: but sec, i'll get you a dump |
| 16:38.14 | Spiritus55 | I haven't got the chance to troubleshoot much, I don't know what to trouble shoot fro. |
| 16:38.16 | Spiritus55 | for* |
| 16:38.17 | xingu | liable: start the capture, let it run until you have a slow moment |
| 16:38.51 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Well, taking the DHCP problem for example, is it because your network interface (eth0 or whatever) doesn't even exist, or does it exist but the communication is failing? |
| 16:38.57 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, the modem will dial in, and the lights will blink (signaling that I'm connected to the internet), but the desktop stays the same, and there is no notification that anything happened at all. |
| 16:39.01 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: What error message do you get when you try to "eth0"? |
| 16:39.07 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: oh, you're using dialup |
| 16:39.14 | Spiritus55 | No, using broadband. |
| 16:39.22 | Wyzard | PPPoE? |
| 16:39.43 | Spiritus55 | No, I'm on broadband.. |
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| 16:40.08 | Wyzard | PPPoE is used on some DSL services |
| 16:40.16 | Wyzard | but that's something that'd be done instead of DHCP |
| 16:40.22 | Spiritus55 | I use DHCP.. |
| 16:40.34 | Wyzard | Then what do you mean by "the modem will dial in"? |
| 16:40.42 | Spiritus55 | Eh.. that's what they do. |
| 16:40.49 | Spiritus55 | Whatever, it just doesn't work. |
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| 16:41.08 | Spiritus55 | I mean, the modem connects, but the computer acts like the cord is unplugged, or nothing is there at all. |
| 16:41.09 | Wyzard | You're not making any sense, and "it just doesn't work" doesn't help me help you |
| 16:41.32 | Wyzard | So you have a cable modem or something, and the modem itself connects to the broandband provider without problems, you mean |
| 16:41.49 | xingu | Wyzard: he means "synchronise to the remote end's master clock and bring up its atm stack" |
| 16:42.05 | Spiritus55 | xingu, no.. I mean it's not connecting, and you're a moron |
| 16:42.14 | petemc | thats not very nice |
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| 16:42.28 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, I mean that the modem will connect to the internet as always, but the computer acts as if the wire going from the modem to the computer isn't even there. |
| 16:42.33 | xingu | it's also sidesplittingly hilarious from where I sit :) |
| 16:42.35 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: When you say "dial in", it sounds like you're talking about dial-up or PPPoE, which is completely different from DHCP |
| 16:42.35 | Spiritus55 | And it acts the exact same way with the mouse. |
| 16:42.49 | Spiritus55 | I USE DHCP! |
| 16:42.57 | Spiritus55 | Gah! |
| 16:42.59 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Yes, I know |
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| 16:43.32 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't talk about "dialing in" when referring to a broadband provider that uses DHCP |
| 16:43.42 | Spiritus55 | Alright, that was a while ago. |
| 16:43.47 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Anyway, so your broadband itself is working, but you can't get an IP from it |
| 16:43.47 | Spiritus55 | Let's move on to what I can do to fix it. |
| 16:43.56 | Spiritus55 | I can't get anything from it. |
| 16:44.06 | Spiritus55 | As I said about 3 times, the computer acts like nothing is there. |
| 16:44.16 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You connect to it with an Ethernet card, right? |
| 16:44.21 | petemc | xingu: seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 |
| 16:44.28 | Spiritus55 | No, I use a USB adaptor |
| 16:44.46 | \amethyst | and it works from the Debian livecd? |
| 16:44.48 | Spiritus55 | But the mouse is PS/2.. |
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| 16:44.51 | Wyzard | A direct USB connection to the broadband modem? |
| 16:44.56 | Spiritus55 | Yes. |
| 16:45.18 | Wyzard | OK, unfortunately I don't have experience with that -- I use Ethernet |
| 16:45.30 | Wyzard | Does it normally show up as a network interface (eth0 or whatever) on your system? |
| 16:45.37 | Spiritus55 | Yes. |
| 16:46.01 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, what I mean is, as in USB adaptor, it goes my computer, adaptor ethernet, modem. |
| 16:46.02 | biopyte | hi, just tried to burn my first data cd with linux, but gnomebaker crashes. any recommendations? |
| 16:46.10 | wols_ | biopyte: k3b? |
| 16:46.15 | Spiritus55 | As I thought you would figure out when I said 'USB adaptor'.. |
| 16:46.17 | biopyte | no kde here |
| 16:46.38 | wols_ | Spiritus55: what happens iwhen you disconnect and reconnec the usb adapter? |
| 16:46.42 | Spiritus55 | nothing. |
| 16:46.44 | xingu | petemc: very droll :) |
| 16:46.49 | wols_ | Spiritus55: have you checked dmesg? |
| 16:46.52 | petemc | Spiritus55: you seem to be taking an adversarial stance with people trying to help you |
| 16:46.53 | Spiritus55 | no |
| 16:47.00 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: So it's *not* a direct USB connection to the modem like you said a minute ago |
| 16:47.07 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: It's a USB-connected Ethernet controller? |
| 16:47.15 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, yes, as I said. |
| 16:47.58 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Yes it's a direct modem connection as you said first? Or yes it's a USB ethernet controller as you said afterward? |
| 16:48.11 | Spiritus55 | I will clarify again. |
| 16:48.18 | Spiritus55 | It's not as hard as you people are makin git. |
| 16:48.21 | Spiritus55 | making it* |
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| 16:48.38 | petemc | its you thats making it hard |
| 16:48.49 | dutchfish | rgiht |
| 16:48.55 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Yes, it's hard to troubleshoot your problem if I don't know what your setup is in the first place |
| 16:48.56 | bonez39 | html-email |
| 16:49.00 | Spiritus55 | It goes: my computer, USB adaptor, ethernet cable plugged into that USB adaptor, the ethernet plug "wires" it's way along to the modem, which is plugged into a phone line, which is plugged into the wall, which gives me my internet |
| 16:49.05 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: And your snide remarks aren't encouraging me to *want* to help you |
| 16:49.42 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: OK, so it's a USB Ethernet controller -- that's the part that's significant at the moment |
| 16:49.56 | Spiritus55 | If that's what you wanna call it. |
| 16:50.00 | Spiritus55 | I call it USB adaptor.. |
| 16:50.11 | Spiritus55 | But, let's continue |
| 16:50.20 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: I don't have experience with those either, in terms of what drivers they use, but it should normally show up in your kernel as a network interface, probably eth0 |
| 16:50.28 | Spiritus55 | It does. |
| 16:50.41 | Spiritus55 | It always shows up as eth0. |
| 16:50.42 | petemc | Spiritus55: you dont think that usb adaptor is vague? |
| 16:50.54 | Spiritus55 | USB ethernet adaptor |
| 16:50.55 | xingu | Spiritus55: does arp -a show anything as having been learnt on eth0? |
| 16:51.04 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Does it show up as eth0 now? Or is eth0 missing? |
| 16:51.09 | Spiritus55 | I'm not currently on it, I'm booting from a live-cd.. |
| 16:51.19 | biopyte | BTW, is there any cd burning solution in debian that does not depend on cdrecord and its derivatives? |
| 16:51.36 | Spiritus55 | Seeing as how I can't connect to the internet on the Debian install, how would I be able to talk to you guys and also do this stuff? |
| 16:51.47 | dutchfish | biopyte, dd? |
| 16:51.51 | Spiritus55 | I'm booting from a livecd.. |
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| 16:52.01 | Spiritus55 | So, I'd have to write it down, go do it, and them come back and tell you. |
| 16:52.19 | biopyte | dutchfish: ok |
| 16:52.23 | Spiritus55 | But I'd prefer if I were given a way to fix my problem instead of rebooting, doing one or two commands just for a little info, and coming back and pasting. |
| 16:52.32 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Well, you'll need to check that, because it's very important -- it tells us whether the problem is that the USB Ethernet adapter isn't recognized at all, or if it's recognized but having a communication problem |
| 16:53.00 | \amethyst | biopyte: not as far as I know, why? |
| 16:53.06 | Spiritus55 | Alsmost positive that it's not showing up at all. |
| 16:53.13 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: When you go to a doctor because you're sick, do you expect him to magically know exactly what's wrong and prescribe some medication without doing an examination first? |
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| 16:53.44 | xingu | Wyzard: I prefer the eastern philosophy; you keep going to the doctor, until you fall ill. |
| 16:53.46 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, would you like me to reboot and do arp -a? |
| 16:53.47 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: We can't just give you "a way to fix your problem" because we don't yet know exactly what the problem is |
| 16:54.28 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: If you want, but I'm mostly interested in whether eth0 exists |
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| 16:54.34 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: If it doesn't, ARP is irrelevant |
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| 16:54.37 | xingu | Spiritus55: layering; ifconfig -a will tell us that the host end of datalink is configured and ready; arp -a will tell us that it's a functioning transport; and finally tcpdump will tell us other more useful things. |
| 16:54.39 | biopyte | amethyst: dont like the guy who wrote it :| |
| 16:54.48 | Spiritus55 | ok, I'll be back.. |
| 16:54.52 | liable | xingu: liable.mine.nu/dns.txt |
| 16:54.53 | \amethyst | biopyte: and what's wrong with wodim? |
| 16:55.05 | tarzeau | liable: mine.nu rocks! |
| 16:55.11 | liable | xingu: at the end, the query was for mmatco.com |
| 16:55.15 | xingu | liable: 403 |
| 16:55.18 | lambda | If I plug my usb wireless mouse udevmonitor tell me : http://debian.pastebin.org/6147 |
| 16:55.29 | liable | bah, teach me for not checking.. |
| 16:55.32 | \amethyst | biopyte: wodim is the Debian fork of cdrecord, made because of the guy who wrote it :) |
| 16:55.36 | lambda | How using this info to set up the mouse please ? |
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| 16:56.05 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 16:56.15 | xingu | Wyzard: you know that he's going to just run arp now don't you ;) |
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| 16:56.32 | robin_sz | so, why does chrooting a rssh shelll user to /home/luserdir bork things? |
| 16:56.40 | b52laptop | ppl when i try route del gw 0.0.0.0 i get gw:host name lookup failure |
| 16:56.47 | biopyte | \amethyst: nothing, except that its a cdrecord derivate and so still smells a little bit. ok, no big issue :), but a 100% cdrecord-free solution I'd prefer. |
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| 16:58.28 | liable | xingu: should workie, maybe i should have put some filters.. it took a few tries to get it to hang |
| 16:58.35 | robin_sz | does the chroot jail need to have /bin/ls etc in it too? |
| 16:58.56 | \amethyst | robin_sz: yes, as well as whatever libraries those programs need |
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| 16:59.14 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 16:59.25 | hardcampa | ldd becomes your friend when you create chroots |
| 16:59.30 | xingu | liable: cheers; grabbing now. |
| 17:00.02 | liable | xingu: have fun with it :) |
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| 17:00.21 | xingu | liable: all here in one piece, feel free to frag your end |
| 17:00.24 | liable | xingu: you must be very bored to look through a pcap dump :) |
| 17:02.26 | karmatronic | as40055 |
| 17:02.53 | xingu | liable: ok so @1303 I see mmatco.com query/lookup, will surface again in a bit |
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| 17:03.19 | xingu | liable: and yeah, think of a chef honing knives. :) |
| 17:03.47 | liable | heh |
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| 17:04.08 | karmatronic | where does gnome associate ctrl-v with pasting ? |
| 17:04.34 | Wyzard | karmatronic: I think that's built into GTK |
| 17:05.32 | karmatronic | Wyzard: so is it possible to associate a single key to pasting ? |
| 17:06.01 | Wyzard | no idea |
| 17:06.02 | liable | xingu: see 1314-17 is the web lookup |
| 17:06.28 | xingu | liable: ok so the crux of the issue is the unanswered query @1307, and the query @1314 answered 4s later @1317 |
| 17:06.38 | xingu | liable: it's a query retrans (id 0x36d6) |
| 17:06.49 | minerale | is is possible to read a HFS+ formatted drive in debian? |
| 17:06.52 | xingu | liable: so, your resolver is overworked, or flooded and discarding udp |
| 17:07.01 | xingu | liable: ie, at the server end (192.168.1.1) |
| 17:07.11 | Wyzard | minerale: I belive Linux has HFS+ read support, though I've never used it |
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| 17:07.29 | liable | xingu: same resonse if i put the dns in my resolve.conf on this box, so its their server |
| 17:07.34 | Spiritus55 | Alright, as I suspected.. it's not even detected.. |
| 17:07.40 | simonrvn | it does. write used to work pretty good too, then started going downhill |
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| 17:07.43 | Wyzard | minerale: There's a kernel module called "hfsplus" |
| 17:07.52 | Spiritus55 | arp -a had no output, tcpdump wasn't a command, and ifconfig only showed lo |
| 17:08.06 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 17:08.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 17:08.12 | xingu | liable: not much you can do apart from; 1 - make sure that there's headroom on your pipe to 192.168.1.1->internet for dns query/response (ie, you're not flooding that uplink); or 2 - move the dnscache closer to the client querying/ improve the dns implementation |
| 17:08.18 | liable | xingu: i can do it again with the that server in resolv.conf if you like |
| 17:08.26 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: tcpdump is a program that'd need to be installed separately, but it's irrelevant if eth0 doesn't even exist |
| 17:08.34 | xingu | liable: nope that's fine |
| 17:08.40 | liable | xingu: the internal link is fine |
| 17:08.42 | Spiritus55 | Alright... |
| 17:08.44 | Spiritus55 | So, what next? |
| 17:08.51 | xingu | liable: notice how the record @1317 has a TTL of 3h? |
| 17:08.53 | Spiritus55 | Do you need the output of dmesg? |
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| 17:09.12 | xingu | liable: what you need is some client-side cache; nsdc, or bind9 runing in caching mode - on the client system. |
| 17:09.15 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Is this the only USB device that doesn't work? |
| 17:09.18 | xingu | liable: err, nscd |
| 17:09.20 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: And yes that'd be helpful |
| 17:09.36 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, ok. |
| 17:09.40 | xingu | liable: note, that sid's nscd (and probably lenny, and probably etch) don't cache the hosts map by default; you'll need to enable that. |
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| 17:10.15 | xingu | liable: ie, there's no reason that the client system should query-for www.matko.com more than once every 3h after poweron |
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| 17:10.50 | xingu | liable: but yes, you may also have a bandwidth issue, not south-ward (ie on-LAN), but possibly north-ward (to/from-WAN, to/from-Internet) |
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| 17:11.14 | xingu | liable: hence, comments about make sure you have headroom on that link for dns; because evidently you're dropping queries at 192.168.1.1 |
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| 17:11.33 | Spiritus55 | http://pastebin.com/d8c3fcc2 |
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| 17:11.51 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: It'd also be helpful to check with lsmod whether the driver for your USB Ethernet adapter is loaded, but I don't know what driver that would be (as I mentioned, I have no experience with USB Ethernet adapters; mine are all PCI) |
| 17:13.30 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, you check that pastebin? |
| 17:13.44 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: From that dmesg output it looks like your USB ports at least are recognized, so if this is a driver issue, it'd be the driver for the Ethernet adapter itself, not for USB in general |
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| 17:13.51 | xypezza | ; /me waves! |
| 17:14.08 | liable | xingu: hrm, i am not sure i understand here. that dump is from the box having the problem, without having the router in the way, you would still see the wait period from my isp dns responding |
| 17:14.32 | liable | xingu: ie, if the dns server is in resolv.conf |
| 17:14.42 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: If you have the "usbutils" package installed, you could run "lsusb" to see a list of USB devices the kernel recognizes as being plugged in -- though if you don't have it installed, downloading it would be difficult at this point |
| 17:14.53 | Spiritus55 | I have it... |
| 17:15.00 | liable | xingu: so where is the problem? |
| 17:15.09 | Spiritus55 | But, that requires a reboot again.. for 1 command. |
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| 17:15.37 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: What model is your USB Ethernet adapter? |
| 17:15.47 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: We can probably look up what driver it's supposed to be using |
| 17:15.50 | Spiritus55 | k |
| 17:16.05 | Spiritus55 | Well.. |
| 17:16.25 | xingu | liable: queryid 0x36d6 (source=192.168.1.5, dest=192.168.1.1) @ frame 1307 is _retransmitted_ @1314 then finally answered 4s later again |
| 17:17.00 | xingu | liable: so evidently; 1 - 196.168.1.1 is still being used as the resolver for that transaction; 2 - it has dropped the query and only picked it up on retrans. |
| 17:17.08 | Spiritus55 | It doesn't really say anything on the adaptor.. |
| 17:17.16 | Spiritus55 | Just "USB to Fast Ethernet Adaptor" |
| 17:17.21 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: no brand name or anything? |
| 17:17.27 | xingu | Spiritus55: "hub 1-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1" |
| 17:17.38 | Spiritus55 | Nope. |
| 17:17.42 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, nope. |
| 17:18.01 | xingu | Spiritus55: try pulling the usb disks, the hub, and directly connecting the adapter to the system if it's not already |
| 17:18.05 | Wyzard | xingu: yeah, I noticed that too... I don't look at USB logs much, though, so I don't know whether that really indicates an overcurrent condition, or if it's something normal |
| 17:18.21 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, ok, then what would be affecting the mouse? |
| 17:18.22 | Wyzard | xingu: and the device apparently does work when he's booted from the liveCD, so I doubt it's a hardware problem |
| 17:18.36 | xingu | Wyzard: I'm going either way too, but given the disconnects just before it on address 2,3,4... |
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| 17:18.55 | xingu | Wyzard: it's worth ruling out, put it that way. |
| 17:18.59 | liable | xingu: 1301 is the nslookup iirc, which was answered pretty much straight away, 1314 was the web lookup which was answered 3 secs later |
| 17:19.01 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You said the mouse is PS/2, right? |
| 17:19.05 | Spiritus55 | Si. |
| 17:19.10 | xingu | liable: nope |
| 17:19.16 | dutchfish | liable, arent you having a mitm thats poluting dns? just a thought .. |
| 17:19.17 | rmaj | xscreensaver 4.24 21-Oct-2005 why this is 2 years old? O_____o |
| 17:19.24 | xingu | liable: queryid is shared for the sequence |
| 17:19.42 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: The driver for that is "psmouse", but I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be loaded automatically |
| 17:19.49 | xingu | liable: oh, @1301, yeah, probably |
| 17:19.49 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, me neither. |
| 17:19.56 | Spiritus55 | Unless it's corrupted. |
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| 17:20.12 | xingu | liable: but 1314 is the answer to the retrans - look at the query id's. |
| 17:20.14 | rmaj | debian testing have 2 year old screensaver? how can I use more recent one? (this one crashes randomly) |
| 17:20.37 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: If it were corrupted you'd get error messages from modprobe, saying invalid module format or something like that |
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| 17:21.01 | tarzeau | rmaj: opengl 3d or not? |
| 17:21.01 | Spiritus55 | Alright, restart... do lsusb, lsmod, modprobe... what else? |
| 17:21.03 | liable | xingu: ya, but nslookup got it straight away, the next took 5 sec for me to click the link in a browser which was 1314 |
| 17:21.10 | tarzeau | rmaj: using a backport maybe? |
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| 17:21.16 | liable | 1314 was the answer |
| 17:21.21 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: modprobe isn't something you run by itself... you give it the name of a module to load |
| 17:21.26 | liable | err 1317 |
| 17:21.27 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: like "modprobe psmouse" |
| 17:21.36 | xingu | liable: nope; the answer in 1314 is to the original query at 1307 then retransmitted at 1314 |
| 17:21.40 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: but check with lsmod first, whether psmouse is already loaded |
| 17:21.46 | xingu | err hang on |
| 17:21.50 | rmaj | tarzeau: I dont care.. i want a blank-screen screensaver that do not craash |
| 17:21.50 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright be right back. |
| 17:21.52 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: hang on |
| 17:21.55 | Spiritus55 | ok. |
| 17:22.00 | rmaj | tarzeau: brb |
| 17:22.06 | tarzeau | rmaj: it never crashed for me, setup the blank one? |
| 17:22.07 | liable | xingu: 1317 was the answer to 1314 |
| 17:22.12 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Check whether usbnet is loaded too -- that's not *the* driver for your Ethernet adapter, but it's a dependency of it |
| 17:22.18 | liable | which was the web reequest |
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| 17:22.19 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright. |
| 17:22.20 | xingu | liable: actually it's the answer to the original query at 1307 |
| 17:22.24 | Spiritus55 | modprobe usbnet? |
| 17:22.26 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: so even though we don't know the exact driver for your Ethernet adapter, if usbnet is loaded, the real driver probably is too |
| 17:22.28 | xingu | liable: just the client retransmitted due to nonresponse |
| 17:22.30 | bbkenshin | good evening everyone, , |
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| 17:22.36 | xingu | liable: @1314; *then* the server noticed. |
| 17:22.39 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: No, just check whether it's loaded already |
| 17:22.42 | rmaj | tarzeau: the deamon crfashes at random around each 5-15 hours of uptime and then I cant lock my screen before I restar deadmon.. brb |
| 17:22.51 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright, I'll be right back. |
| 17:22.51 | xingu | liable: but all three frames (2x q, 1x response) share a common query id |
| 17:22.59 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: And try xingu's suggestion of unplugging some other USB devices, because you might be hitting your USB controller's limit on how much power it can provide |
| 17:23.00 | tarzeau | rmaj: is this xscreensaver ? |
| 17:23.07 | tarzeau | rmaj: you should file a bug i think. |
| 17:23.10 | xingu | liable: and so from this, and from knowing that 4s is an *eternity* in DNS-land, I know that your server 192.168.1.1 is struggling |
| 17:23.18 | tarzeau | rmaj: which x video driver do you use? |
| 17:23.35 | xingu | liable: either, it's out of bandwidth, or, just rubbish, or, talking only to an upstream that is one of the two itself |
| 17:23.59 | Vasistha | damn. dovecot wouldn't install properly... dpkg had trouble configuring it. Suggestions?? (using etch) |
| 17:24.00 | simonrvn | xingu: my thought exactly. 3s after the dns request, the web ones replies? eek |
| 17:24.22 | xingu | liable: a good quality dns implementation walks the root for that reason; no honking great single point of failure, being some less-worthwhile implementation that all your traffic goes to. |
| 17:24.30 | wsloand | Wyzard: Thanks for the dovecot suggestion. It took a bit to figure everything out (dovecot doesn't seem to like to work if you're only using it for auth, but now I'm using for imapd as well). But, it works! |
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| 17:24.58 | Wyzard | wsloand: cool, glad to hear it |
| 17:25.01 | liable | xingu: i quried via nslookup, got the answer, clicked the link. this to me responds to nslookupquery=1301-reply=1302, weblookup =1314-reply=1317 |
| 17:25.23 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Error messages? |
| 17:25.30 | xingu | liable: all correct *except* weblookup is actually 1307, retrans 1314, reply 1317 |
| 17:25.37 | Wyzard | Vasistha: I don't have a great deal of experience with Dovecot, but I've installed it successfully on etch |
| 17:25.38 | Vasistha | Wyzard: I'll pastebin it in a sec |
| 17:26.09 | liable | xingu: ah right |
| 17:26.25 | xingu | liable: the loading issues at 192.168.1.1 are also being amplified by the fact that 192.168.1.5 is not caching the replies when it can... the replies have a 3h +ve TTL validity |
| 17:26.55 | xingu | liable: so, solution in parts; 1, better quality dns implementation either at 192.168.1.1 or elsewhere; 2, client-side caching |
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| 17:27.11 | liable | xingu: but this doesnt improve if i have the isp dns in resolv.conf, so why blame my router? |
| 17:27.11 | xingu | liable: maybe, 192.168.1.1 works well-enough unless bandwidth starved |
| 17:27.40 | xingu | liable: because your router doesn't *just* have to talk to the isp's dns's, it's at liberty to walk the root instead |
| 17:28.11 | xingu | liable: so, as a proxy, it's probably "ok"; but as a proxy, it has a huge SPOF in the form of, if the isp's infrastructure is hosed and yours isn't, you fate-share. |
| 17:28.30 | xingu | liable: I suspect that 192.168.1.1 also isn't /caching/ replies, when it can |
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| 17:28.42 | Vasistha | Wyzard: dpkg error messages from dovecot install: http://paste.debian.net/40785 |
| 17:29.02 | bbkenshin | I've a probleme with debian, I bought a network card ( tp link), and I don't manage to use it , |
| 17:29.03 | liable | xingu: i highly suspect also, as its just started doing lookups on things it should have in cache |
| 17:29.08 | bbkenshin | my card is not recognize |
| 17:29.09 | xingu | liable: don't underestimate the effect a dns cache can have on http; service times from cache should be <0.001s |
| 17:29.16 | robin_sz | so, basically, before being able to use a chroot jail for rssh users (ie sftp, scp etc) I need to use some random sort of jailmaker? |
| 17:29.20 | xingu | liable: exactly what lead me to that conclusion yes |
| 17:29.23 | bbkenshin | i've a debian 4 ETCH |
| 17:29.47 | Wyzard | Vasistha: "adduser: Warning: that home directory does not belong to the user you are currently creating." |
| 17:29.56 | xingu | liable: ie, ethernet round trip should be at least an order of magnitude _larger_ than cache-hit service time |
| 17:30.26 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Assuming that was creating the "dovecot" user, since the next line says it's adding the dovecot user to a group |
| 17:30.32 | Vasistha | Wyzard: I saw that ... not sure how to go about tracing what went wrong, though. Maybe I should pastebin my /etc/passwd ? |
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| 17:30.45 | xingu | liable: so probably you have an unfortunate cosmic event giving you worst-worst-worst case performance, here, around 1307; you have - no client cache; no proxy-cache; and a flailing isp dns |
| 17:30.45 | xyche11bee | ; /me waves! |
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| 17:30.55 | dutchfish | xingu, what if a mitm is going on between proxy and isp's dns? |
| 17:30.55 | liable | xingu: hrm, i have been having very small frequent dropouts with this thing as well, i have a spare router i'll plug in tomorrow |
| 17:31.05 | liable | xingu: yep |
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| 17:31.13 | shut- | how do i delete the file index.html in /var/www/ |
| 17:31.23 | Wyzard | Vasistha: hmm... looks like dovecot's homedir is /usr/lib/dovecot, but that's owned by root:root on my system and I didn't have any problems |
| 17:31.26 | xingu | liable: so, cure all three parts; client cache (bind9 or nscd); server cache, configure *not* to always forward only to the isp; and a new isp ;) |
| 17:31.47 | Colt7r | find /var/www -name index.html -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 17:31.47 | tarzeau | shut-: with rm? |
| 17:31.51 | liable | xingu: my isp is actually a fairly god one in the land of .au |
| 17:31.52 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Anyway, that's just a warning; the "hostname: Unknown host" is more likely to be the real problem |
| 17:31.56 | Vasistha | Wyzard: hum, looks like mine's messed up... from /etc/passwd : dovecot:x:108:112:Dovecot mail server,,,:/usr/lib/dovecot:/bin/false |
| 17:32.09 | Wyzard | Vasistha: No, that's correct |
| 17:32.14 | liable | xingu: i dont think they are perfect, but i certainly wont be changing anytime soon |
| 17:32.16 | Colt7r | [shut-]: find /var/www -name index.html -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 17:32.27 | Colt7r | [shut-]: it will remove all index.html in that dir |
| 17:32.32 | xingu | liable: fair do; but also check that your link isn't getting buried in traffic, because that will present with the same symptom-set as "failing isp" |
| 17:32.43 | shut- | thanks |
| 17:32.49 | xingu | liable: if it is getting hot, reserve some bandwidth for udp/53 |
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| 17:33.34 | Wyzard | Vasistha: What does the command "hostname -s" return on your system? |
| 17:33.34 | xingu | dutchfish: then screwey badness will happen, but I don't see signs of that here |
| 17:33.45 | Wyzard | Vasistha: and "hostname -f" too |
| 17:33.50 | Colt7r | [shut-]: no problem |
| 17:33.59 | Vasistha | Wyzard: well, I'm surfing over a dhcp connection, and apache2 always complains about not being able to reliably determine the hostname |
| 17:34.03 | shut- | when i do find /var/www -name index.html -exec rm -rf {} i get find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 17:34.10 | liable | xingu: my link doesnt get much traffic, i dont even download pron :) but i'll be giving them a ring monday and seeing, they actually have a note about doing network work in 2 days, but this has been happening to me for two days now. |
| 17:34.19 | Vasistha | Wyzard: both return hostname: Unknown host |
| 17:34.20 | dutchfish | xingu, fair enough, i expirienced likewise a few times already because alot of uplinks use open dns servers |
| 17:34.37 | Vasistha | Wyzard: whereas an unmodified 'hostname' returns 'scooter' |
| 17:34.42 | xingu | dutchfish: :) |
| 17:34.42 | Wyzard | Vasistha: That's the problem, then |
| 17:34.57 | Wyzard | Vasistha: They should be returning "scooter" and something like "scooter.localdomain" respectively |
| 17:35.06 | liable | xingu: thanks though, my router not caching i think is my biggest problem here, so i'll swap it out tomorrow and see what gves |
| 17:35.08 | xingu | liable: sounds reasonable |
| 17:35.32 | dutchfish | xingu, not to mention all the fixes and fidles of bindd securing |
| 17:35.39 | Wyzard | Vasistha: The postinst script that failed is /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-common.postinst, and if you look at it you'll see that it runs those two commands |
| 17:35.44 | xingu | dutchfish: pah, that's what keeps life interesting |
| 17:35.53 | dutchfish | xingu, yup ;) |
| 17:36.09 | Wyzard | dutchfish, xingu: Consider pdnsd instead of bind9 if all you need is a cache |
| 17:36.10 | Vasistha | Wyzard: so dovecot requires the host to be set up properly? I was just wanting to use it to serve a maildir controlled by offlineimap to kmail, since kmail is broken :P ... Do you have a suggestion of where I should go to read up on getting the hostname set up properly? |
| 17:36.34 | Colt7r | [shut-]: you want to remove all index.html or only one? |
| 17:36.35 | xingu | Wyzard: actually, consider nominum's cns if what you need is a cache. :) |
| 17:36.51 | shut- | all |
| 17:37.04 | liable | time to try openwrt on my spare linksys |
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| 17:37.24 | Wyzard | Vasistha: The FQDN (-f) part is determined by entries in /etc/hosts; I'm not sure about the shortname (-s) part |
| 17:37.54 | Wyzard | Vasistha: You should have these two lines in /etc/hosts: |
| 17:38.02 | Wyzard | Vasistha: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 17:38.07 | xingu | liable: I told you it was quicker to work from packet traces ;) |
| 17:38.16 | Colt7r | [shut-]: find /var/www -name "index.html" -exec rm -rf {} \; |
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| 17:38.22 | Wyzard | Vasistha: 127.0.1.1 scooter.localdomain scooter |
| 17:38.40 | Vasistha | Wyzard: ohhh... I'll fix that! I had one line which was a skewed combination of those. Thanks! |
| 17:38.44 | liable | xingu: i am still not convinced what the problem is other than my router not caching though :P |
| 17:38.53 | shut- | thanks |
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| 17:39.13 | xingu | liable: I am, definitely; dns retrans is unheard of, as is 1s+ service times |
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| 17:39.33 | Wyzard | Vasistha: The whole hostname/FQDN situation is a bit screwy IMO |
| 17:39.41 | xingu | liable: that only happens when there's packet loss happening, or, >2-3k queries/s being served by a single BIND instance |
| 17:39.43 | chump | is there a vmware server package for debian etch ? |
| 17:39.48 | Vasistha | Wyzard: ahh, hostname -s and -f now work. Now, how do I ask dpkg to reattempt the configuration? |
| 17:39.51 | liable | xingu: ya, but then why the quick nslookup? |
| 17:39.54 | xand | !vmware |
| 17:39.54 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 17:39.58 | Wyzard | Vasistha: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 17:40.04 | dutchfish | xingu, and during a ddos |
| 17:40.16 | chump | !vmware-package |
| 17:40.16 | dpkg | vmware-package is a Debian <contrib> package - available for lenny and sid - which provides a 'make-vmpkg' utility. This utility can create Debian packages of various VMware products and related software. See also <vmware support>. |
| 17:40.17 | alvarezp | How can exec*() and system() calls be logged on Debian to syslog? |
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| 17:40.29 | xingu | liable: because the service time in the working case is tiny, and relatively speaking the retrans time is punishingly long |
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| 17:40.47 | Spiritus55 | Alright.. |
| 17:40.50 | dimir | alvarezp: for perl? |
| 17:40.51 | Spiritus55 | I think I know the problem.. |
| 17:40.55 | xingu | liable: so probably, 192.168.1.1 had to also retrans that request, somewhere between 1307 and 1317 |
| 17:40.57 | chump | !nvidia |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 17:40.57 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, you still here? |
| 17:41.00 | Vasistha | Wyzard: ahh, excellent, thanks much! Now we'll see if I can get this crazy thing working :D I wonder if apache will stop complaining on startup now! |
| 17:41.23 | alvarezp | dimir, no, overall the system. |
| 17:41.31 | Wyzard | chump: FWIW, VMware's script installer works well enough... it puts itself cleanly in /usr/local (aside from a few necessary files in /etc), correctly uses the headers from a Debian linux-headers package when building its modules, and removes everything it installed when you uninstall it |
| 17:41.33 | dimir | so, for C |
| 17:41.39 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: yes |
| 17:41.40 | xingu | liable: typically the resolver (libresolv+, or bind, or dnsproxy - whatever) will use a 3-5s timeout by default. |
| 17:41.44 | liable | xingu: hrm, from that though it sounds like local network problems |
| 17:41.54 | alvarezp | dimir, yes. |
| 17:41.55 | dimir | One option is to recompile glibc. |
| 17:42.01 | xingu | liable: if you miss, you automatically enter a punishing worst-case |
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| 17:42.13 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright.. as I was looking at the boot screen, and it was starting up... luckily hda8 hadn't been checked after being mounted x times.. so it allowed me to read through the screen. |
| 17:42.33 | liable | hrm, i still dont get it. |
| 17:42.34 | Spiritus55 | And it said something about "/etc/modulessomething/ is loaded, but /etc/modules.d can't be found.." |
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| 17:42.52 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: It's normal for /etc/modules.d to not exist |
| 17:42.56 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, I looked and /etc/modules.d was there, but for some reason it wouldn't load.. |
| 17:43.06 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: I have no /etc/modules.d on my system |
| 17:43.10 | Spiritus55 | Ok, but also.. |
| 17:43.11 | alvarezp | dimir, recompiling would be risky, as this is for servers. |
| 17:43.19 | Spiritus55 | I have psmouse.ko in the usual place.. |
| 17:43.21 | Varanger | I have compiled my own kernel and I having problems because GRUB doesn't recognize UUID's anymore. I edited menu.lst and it has any problems until I run update-grub |
| 17:43.23 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: /etc/modprobe.d is where module option files are kept these days |
| 17:43.26 | liable | xingu: this is wireless too btw |
| 17:43.26 | Spiritus55 | I have usbnet in the usual place.. |
| 17:43.34 | xingu | liable: the normal case should be (omitting caching for the moment, but it's important, too); should be - query,100baseX-delay,ADSL-delay,response,ADSL-delay,100baseX-delay |
| 17:43.39 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, it could have said that... I can't remember.. |
| 17:43.45 | liable | xingu: i dont suspect the wireless, but i'll ertainly look at it tomorrow |
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| 17:44.11 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Was psmouse already loaded according to lsmod? |
| 17:44.14 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, when I did lsmod, it showed up that the USB device had been plugged in, it just didn't do anything about it. |
| 17:44.20 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, no, it wasn't. |
| 17:44.23 | liable | xingu: and you are saying the delay is where? |
| 17:44.27 | xingu | liable: if a query is lost/dropped, you have - query,100baseX-delay,4s-retrans-delay,100baseX-delay,... ; or, query,100baseX-delay,ADSL-delay,4s-retrans-delay,... |
| 17:44.35 | Spiritus55 | And the thing about lsmod was: it was about 2 times shorter than when I checked it yesterday.. |
| 17:44.42 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: lsmod shouldn't say anything about USB devices plugged in... did you mean lsusb? |
| 17:44.57 | xingu | liable: of all those possible delays - the dns-o-udp retrans delay is huuuuge. |
| 17:44.59 | Spiritus55 | Which makes me wonder if maybe there's something that happened to where it's not loading some drivers on start up. |
| 17:45.16 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: udev is what's responsible for detecting hardware and loading drivers at startup |
| 17:45.20 | xingu | liable: so in the normal case, you're not dropping queryid's, you never see it; but the minute you *do* start dropping them, *boom* |
| 17:45.26 | dimir | alvarezp: risky, unless you know what you're doing. |
| 17:45.38 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, but the ouput of lsmod was a lot shorter than yesterday, so that's probably the problem. |
| 17:45.51 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, whatever loads the drivers may have something wrong with it.. |
| 17:46.05 | dutchfish | xingu, why is at most proxies dig -t A somwhereovertherainbow.tld cached and dig -t NS somewhereovertheraibow.tld not? |
| 17:46.09 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, I'm not a linux guru, but.. that's what I'm gonna go ahead and say is maybe the problem.. |
| 17:46.14 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Sounds reasonable, but the question now is why there are modules that were loaded automatically yesterday but aren't loaded automatically today |
| 17:46.39 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: assuming you haven't fiddled with udev's configuration or anything |
| 17:46.50 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, hmm... I did install 2 things: 1 was a driver for my wireless device (very liable cause) and 2. is the new flash codec.. |
| 17:47.06 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Flash has nothing to do with udev, and shouldn't be related to this problem |
| 17:47.12 | xingu | dutchfish: both should be but typically the TTL for NS records is set short(er than the A rec) |
| 17:47.25 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Wireless driver *maybe*, since that's at least hardware-related... what exactly did you do to install the driver? |
| 17:47.28 | xingu | dutchfish: specific example? |
| 17:47.31 | alvarezp | dimir, I understand your point and I wouldn't mind doing it those servers weren't so critical or had a boss telling me not to do it. Anyway, I appreciate your help. |
| 17:47.32 | dutchfish | xingu, ah ... yes |
| 17:47.53 | Spiritus55 | make make install modprobe rt2570 |
| 17:48.10 | xingu | liable: I'm pretty sure your LAN isn't the problem in all that picture; otherwise you'd be seeing more TCP retans than you have and a hell of a lot more traffic in general |
| 17:48.19 | dimir | alvarezp: not problemo. ;) |
| 17:48.20 | liable | xingu: hrm, all interesting, i have not had this problem before except my router being stupid with AAAA lookups which they fixed, i have just in the last two days started using the iwlwifi tar release, whereas i usually use the wireless-dev version, many things to check tomorrow.. |
| 17:48.20 | dutchfish | xingu, smoothwall & small cisco's fw |
| 17:48.22 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: hmm... that shouldn't break udev either; all that'd do is build a .ko file and copy it to the appropriate place under /lib/modules |
| 17:48.37 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, yeah.. should* |
| 17:48.48 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, stuff goes wrong sometimes though.. although I don't see why that would have.. |
| 17:48.49 | xingu | liable: yep that's plausible, your 802.11 stack might be eating data; not likely imho, but certainly possible |
| 17:48.50 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: though it's possible that the "make install" could've done more than that |
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| 17:49.02 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, I did do sudo make install. |
| 17:49.06 | xingu | liable: check 802.11 error stats perhaps, maybe someone's clobbering your spectrum |
| 17:49.29 | liable | xingu: the tar release have their own mac80211 stack, so its quite plausable actually |
| 17:49.38 | xingu | liable: best way to test that, is see if you can burst up a sustained http session, where source is LAN-local and sink is wlan |
| 17:49.42 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You'd have to read the Makefile to see what that "make install" does, though |
| 17:50.03 | Spiritus55 | Makefile? |
| 17:50.04 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: If it's any help, you can run "udevtrigger --verbose --dry-run" to get a list of all the devices udev detected and would load drivers for |
| 17:50.07 | Spiritus55 | Alright, I still have it.. |
| 17:50.14 | xingu | liable: if the http isn't hitting reasonable throughput, you've got it right there |
| 17:50.22 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: (Without the "--dry-run", udev will actually load the drivers, too) |
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| 17:50.26 | liable | gonna reboot into a wireless-dev kernel |
| 17:50.33 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: See if udev is detecting a smaller set of hardware this time for some reason |
| 17:50.52 | xingu | liable: again, wlan is another good reason to have a client-side name cache |
| 17:50.54 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: It generates about 450 lines of output on my system |
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| 17:51.08 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Yours will vary, of course, but if it's like ten lines or something, that probably indicates a problem |
| 17:51.15 | Spiritus55 | Spiritus55, alright.. |
| 17:51.25 | xingu | liable: a good reason to have one, but not an explanation as to what's changed, for you, between good and lousy; and that's probably what you're wrestling with? |
| 17:51.38 | Spiritus55 | So, after I do it with --verbose --dry-run.. then what? |
| 17:52.01 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: I'd do something like "udevtrigger --verbose --dry-run | wc -l" just to see how many lines of output it produced |
| 17:52.12 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: and see if it looks like an unusually small number |
| 17:52.26 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright, after that I'll come back and tell you. |
| 17:52.29 | xingu | liable: the angle I'm coming from is - you're hitting worst-case here, for dns; so here's where things are weak, and need shoring up; not sure *why* you're getting pushed into the worst-case, but clearly you're already there |
| 17:52.29 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: (which is admittedly vague, since all you have to go on is the 450 from my system) |
| 17:52.40 | Spiritus55 | ok, be right back. |
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| 17:53.12 | tarzeau | can someone comment this music (you can play it with apt-get install opencubicplayer; ocp *.sid) http://bee.ethz.ch/maktone_all_sid.zip |
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| 17:53.56 | S4nD3r | I have a problem |
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| 17:54.04 | S4nD3r | Cannot open file/device. |
| 17:54.09 | S4nD3r | No stream found to handle url dvd://1 |
| 17:54.30 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Do you have two DVD drives? |
| 17:54.33 | liable | xingu: problem is, apart from my router having this stupid ipv6 problem, i have never had any dns problems at all |
| 17:54.38 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 17:54.56 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Make sure the disc is in the second one, then, or use dvd://0 instead of dvd://1 |
| 17:55.04 | cast | eh...how did my water turn cloudy o_0 |
| 17:55.25 | xingu | liable: ok so lets think about the uncontrollables here; 1 - isp loading - you don't know whether they've just breached the 3-4k queries/s that bind's capable of on a single node |
| 17:55.30 | S4nD3r | neither 0 or 1 |
| 17:55.37 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: oh, dunno then |
| 17:55.45 | S4nD3r | /dev/dvd1 /dev/dvd2 /dev/dvdrw1 /dev/dvdrw2 |
| 17:55.55 | xingu | liable: 2 - wlan quality or lack of; new wlan stack, new neighbours, microwaves, wireless phones eating your spectrum |
| 17:55.59 | S4nD3r | are my devices |
| 17:56.05 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: dvd://1 isn't a device that'd be in /dev |
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| 17:56.20 | biz | is this the right approach to install a chrooted i386 debian sid while i'm currently running x86_64? debootstrap --arch i386 sid ./i386-debian-sid http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 17:56.20 | xingu | liable: we've already covered uplink bandwidth, so unless you're getting a soaking which the router is blocking so you don't know, you're good there |
| 17:56.25 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: though with "dvd1" and "dvd2", your second drive might be dvd://2 |
| 17:56.38 | xingu | liable: um... that's probably it actually. |
| 17:56.55 | liable | xingu: this has been constant for two days now, i have been using the net mostly when ordinary people are asleep, and my 60 year old next door neighbour is well and truly not using here microwave now :) |
| 17:57.24 | liable | s/here/her/ |
| 17:57.55 | dutchfish | liable, a gone bad adapter, moisture in cables etc (related to faulty hardware) |
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| 17:57.59 | liable | damn the first five links i tried didnt hang, but its still doing it |
| 17:58.00 | xingu | liable: sure; what I can tell you is that loading at the isp is time-of-day irrelevant too; generally it's proportional to some view as to average downlink round-trip-delay |
| 17:58.29 | S4nD3r | libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd |
| 17:58.36 | S4nD3r | No such file or directory |
| 17:58.37 | xingu | liable: has your isp started offering metro-E service in the last few weeks? one pc going spare on a gig-E bearer can give most of the free dns cache implementations a wedgie. |
| 17:58.40 | S4nD3r | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd |
| 17:58.45 | S4nD3r | No stream found to handle url dvd://2 |
| 17:58.49 | S4nD3r | Cannot open file/device. |
| 17:58.58 | liable | xingu: dont even know what it is :) |
| 17:59.19 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Well, it's true that you don't have a /dev/dvd, only /dev/dvd1 and /dev/dvd2, but I don't know what the mapping is between dvd:// URLs and device files in /dev |
| 17:59.27 | xingu | liable: short haul (cross city) ethernet termination; internet on a fiber, at 100base or 1000base |
| 17:59.46 | dutchfish | liable, http://www.pbtcomm.net/bmetroethernet.asp |
| 17:59.48 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: It's a little unusual to have only dvd1 and dvd2 but no dvd, though -- I'm guessing you used to have a different DVD drive, and you removed it at some point |
| 17:59.53 | liable | xingu: i doubt very much |
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| 18:00.21 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: The file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules keeps track of your optical drives and the names they're assigned |
| 18:00.28 | xingu | liable: ok so the way you'd go about ruling *that* out, would be to actually poll the isp's cache every minute, and measure service times |
| 18:00.41 | xingu | liable: if you get a cluster of outliers at 2-4s, they're hosed. |
| 18:00.45 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Take a look at that file and you'll probably find that /dev/dvd corresponds to some drive that you don't actually have in your system anymore |
| 18:01.06 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: or plugged into a different IDE/SATA port or whatever |
| 18:01.10 | S4nD3r | I will look for where this is setup |
| 18:01.23 | liable | hah, i dont think you'll find too many businesses here with that kind of connection |
| 18:01.29 | xingu | liable: you should probably check your atm stats if you're on dsl too; your underlying link might be dying. |
| 18:01.56 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: if you delete that file and then run udevtrigger, it'll re-detect the drives and re-generate that file and the nodes in /dev, and you should end up with /dev/dvd and /dev/dvd1 for your two drives |
| 18:01.56 | dutchfish | xingu, defective NOC-card? |
| 18:02.13 | xingu | liable: atm has a layer between ip-encaps and the underlying cells; it's called SAR; and it's what chops IP segments up into 53byte atm cells. |
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| 18:02.34 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, it was like 247.. |
| 18:02.43 | Spiritus55 | And I have the output of it, if that'd help you. |
| 18:02.43 | xingu | liable: so when the datalink fades, SAR struggles, and this leads to cell retrans but not necessarily packet loss |
| 18:02.53 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: hmm... hard to tell if that's unusual or not |
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| 18:02.58 | Vasistha | re: dovecot: I'm not particularly encouraged by this line from http://wiki.dovecot.org/WhyDoesItNotWork: Debian Etch distribute v1.0.rc15, and there has been a LOT of fixes since then |
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| 18:03.06 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, it is like 200 less than yours.. |
| 18:03.17 | lindenle | What is a good tool to use to look for memory leaks in compiloed code? (is there a how to fo it?) |
| 18:03.18 | dutchfish | xingu, ;) |
| 18:03.20 | Vasistha | would anyone recommend building dovecot 1.0.5 from source rather than using the etch version? |
| 18:03.25 | liable | xingu: hrm, lets not forget that this is bumfuck .au with telstra running the show in a very ordinary suburb, i doubt theres much at all going on except fucked testra hardware somewhere :) |
| 18:03.37 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: yeah, but that could just be normal variation between systems; my motherboard has a lot of hardware on it (three SATA controllers, two gigabit NICs, etc.) |
| 18:03.43 | petemc | Vasistha: theres a backport |
| 18:03.54 | S4nD3r | udevtrigger didnt solve |
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| 18:03.55 | xingu | liable: :) sure, but your modem is probably reporting snr as a db figure as well as the atm layer is probably reporting sar events, gimme two |
| 18:04.09 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, ... ok, here's the pastebin. http://pastebin.com/d404ec |
| 18:04.09 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Did you remove the z25_persistent-cd.rules file first? |
| 18:04.12 | Vasistha | petemc: oooh ... huh, I looked for one, and it didn't show up, but maybe I need to look again? The backports.org main list was down :P |
| 18:04.18 | S4nD3r | no |
| 18:04.24 | petemc | Vasistha: yeah, im using it on a few boxes |
| 18:04.25 | liable | xingu: sec, i know my snr is crap |
| 18:04.34 | liable | xingu: but it has always been so |
| 18:04.35 | S4nD3r | I will find this file |
| 18:04.37 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Remove it or rename it first -- the idea is to have udev regenerate it from scratch |
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| 18:04.58 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: I don't remember whether you mentioned earlier... does the Ethernet adapter show up in lsusb? |
| 18:05.03 | xingu | liable: is it getting *worse* though... |
| 18:05.05 | Vasistha | petemc: ahh, nice. Well, I'll try it. thanks! |
| 18:05.10 | petemc | np |
| 18:05.16 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, well I just happen to have output for that too |
| 18:05.20 | liable | xingu: snr 7.5/24 |
| 18:05.27 | liable | xingu: no its not |
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| 18:05.47 | Spiritus55 | http://pastebin.com/d4e23afc8 |
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| 18:06.03 | xingu | liable: is it possible for you to pull out HEC stats? |
| 18:06.11 | liable | xingu: downstream attenuation is 50 odd which it has always been too |
| 18:06.48 | S4nD3r | Where is this z25_persistent-cd.rules file? |
| 18:06.53 | liable | xingu: whats HEC? |
| 18:06.54 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 18:06.55 | xingu | liable: *nod* the straw-poll is for worsening, not absolute worseness level; if it's stable, we can rule that out as a *trigger* for what's changed triggering the recent decrepitude |
| 18:06.59 | tt | Is there an easy way to disply mhz and ram in cli? |
| 18:07.18 | xingu | liable: header error control |
| 18:07.24 | S4nD3r | there is no this file |
| 18:07.35 | S4nD3r | only cd-aliases-generator.rules |
| 18:07.36 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Looks like "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0586:401a ZyXEL Communications Corp." is your Ethernet adapter |
| 18:07.36 | xingu | liable: sort of like tcp cksum, but on a per-cell basis |
| 18:07.42 | Spiritus55 | yeah |
| 18:08.07 | liable | xingu: oh, i get crc errors in this modem, but thats it, and they are few. |
| 18:08.11 | liable | 21 |
| 18:08.20 | S4nD3r | I remove the file |
| 18:08.28 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Google turns up http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.16.42 which indicates that that's an RTL8150 inside (search the page for "0586") |
| 18:08.28 | S4nD3r | but this was not re-created |
| 18:08.31 | xingu | liable: *nod*; that's because HEC does a good job - eventually. ;) |
| 18:08.39 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: udevtrigger didn't recreate it? |
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| 18:08.54 | S4nD3r | no |
| 18:09.00 | xingu | liable: crc is done on a segment basis; HEC is done on a cell basis; a cell that is HEC-invalid and not recoverable through correction - will be retransmitted |
| 18:09.05 | xingu | liable: but that's slow... |
| 18:09.09 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Wait, did you delete cd-aliases-generator.rules? |
| 18:09.17 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 18:09.19 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 18:09.22 | fredl | ok, I need help. I'm trying to umount a filesystem but it says it's busy. |
| 18:09.25 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: You didn't want to do that |
| 18:09.40 | Wyzard | fredl: fuser -m /where/its/mounted |
| 18:09.41 | xingu | liable: ATM transports always look like driven snow at the packet level; and they're up and down like a whore's drawers below it |
| 18:09.41 | S4nD3r | mmmm |
| 18:09.49 | xingu | liable: does my nut, sometimes. |
| 18:09.50 | liable | hah |
| 18:10.17 | liable | xingu: dont get too technical, i dont do networking for a living :) |
| 18:10.46 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules, right? |
| 18:10.52 | fredl | Wyzard - ah finally. Thanks! |
| 18:10.56 | S4nD3r | this not exists |
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| 18:11.05 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: I mean, is that the name of the file you deleted? |
| 18:11.09 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, and? |
| 18:11.35 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, does that mean we need that specific driver? I dont' know why, as it's worked for the longest time.. |
| 18:12.41 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: There's an rtl8150.ko -- now we know the right driver for your Ethernet adapter |
| 18:12.43 | xingu | liable: my modem here is reporting about a .1% HEC failure rate fwiw on 32db downstream attenuation. |
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| 18:13.06 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You can check that with lsmod, and load it manually with modprobe if udev isn't loading it for you |
| 18:13.23 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: That's a step in the right direction, at least, and might help you get online without needing to use a liveCD |
| 18:13.32 | xingu | liable: and hasn't had a single error'd aal5 segment since poweron some weeks ago |
| 18:13.51 | fredl | Wyzard - I now have another challenge. Somehow I managed to grow the volume I just umounted in evms. It says in EVMS that it's size is 197.2 GB. However, it is not that large. |
| 18:14.10 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Is z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules the name of the file you deleted? |
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| 18:14.22 | fredl | Wyzard - evms exited on that growfs with an error message but somehow still thinks it's 197.2GB. |
| 18:14.24 | xingu | liable: anyway, without getting too deep, fading physical layer can also seriously mess with you, so don't dismiss that, either. |
| 18:14.43 | xingu | liable: and dsl will work over two tin cans and a piece of string, right up to the point that it won't |
| 18:14.52 | xingu | liable: it'll just work less, and less, and less well. :) |
| 18:15.01 | fredl | Hmm, now that I think about it, it could be that evms grew the volume but gave an error on the filesystem expand. |
| 18:15.03 | Wyzard | fredl: I don't have experience with EVMS, sorry... I use LVM and I've never had problems like that |
| 18:15.05 | fredl | *ponder* |
| 18:15.17 | nedhelp | hi any hardware requirements for debian? |
| 18:15.21 | liable | xingu: hrm |
| 18:15.25 | fredl | Wyzard - well it's an LVM2 volume that's under it.... |
| 18:15.32 | Wyzard | fredl: You tried to grow it to that size but it failed? |
| 18:15.32 | tralala | nedhelp, a computer |
| 18:15.45 | nedhelp | tralala: i know, specifically. |
| 18:15.51 | dutchfish | liable, xingu but that can easely be checked by your provider isnt it? |
| 18:15.53 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, will I need to download that driver? Or is it already installed? |
| 18:15.54 | Wyzard | fredl: You're probably right that it resized the block device but failed to resize the filesystem within it |
| 18:16.02 | liable | xingu: so from what i can gather, my router has never cached and i am having isp dns problems. |
| 18:16.06 | fredl | Wyzard - well I try lvs, and it shows that the volume is indeed 197.21G |
| 18:16.11 | tralala | nedhelp, 486 with 32MB RAM for the installer iirc |
| 18:16.13 | xingu | dutchfish: yeah, they look right at the telephone prompt mark that says "we've checked our end and it was fine" |
| 18:16.19 | fredl | so I think I just need to manually growfs it |
| 18:16.22 | nedhelp | tralala: i got that.. |
| 18:16.24 | liable | dutchfish: i will be asking them on manday |
| 18:16.34 | liable | monday* |
| 18:16.39 | fredl | what's the command to expand an ext2 filesystem again? |
| 18:16.41 | dutchfish | xingu, not over here they run a full test within 4 hours |
| 18:16.41 | tralala | nedhelp, so what's the question again? |
| 18:16.54 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: It comes with the standard kernel; you don't need to install it |
| 18:16.54 | xingu | liable: that's a likely guess; to prove, poll their cache at least every minute and probably every 10s, and scatter-plot service times |
| 18:17.03 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: (It's what you were using already, up until yesterday) |
| 18:17.08 | xingu | liable: if you get a tight cluster around 2+s, they're dying. |
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| 18:17.14 | dutchfish | xingu, on demand that is |
| 18:17.24 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, ok, is there a way to cd into the directory where the module is at, then use modprobe to load it from there? |
| 18:17.25 | xingu | dutchfish: :) |
| 18:17.31 | fredl | Wyzard - what's the command to manually grow an ext2 filesystem again? |
| 18:17.33 | xingu | dutchfish: I deal with your telco over there. :) |
| 18:17.37 | Spiritus55 | Because when i tried doing modprobe psmouse it said that wasn't a known module.. |
| 18:17.38 | liable | xingu: scatter-plot? poll as in a script? |
| 18:17.39 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You don't need to be in the directory -- modprobe knows where to look |
| 18:17.46 | xingu | liable: graph |
| 18:18.01 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: hmm, could be a bad depmod cache, then |
| 18:18.01 | dutchfish | xingu, :) |
| 18:18.16 | simonrvn | depmod -Aa fixes that ;) |
| 18:18.19 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Run "depmod -ae", and if it generates any output, paste it |
| 18:18.19 | fredl | ehr resize2fs I guess. |
| 18:18.29 | liable | jesus christ, i have no fucking idea how to make a graph from that shit |
| 18:18.45 | xingu | liable: gnumeric :) |
| 18:18.46 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright, I'll be right back, as always.. |
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| 18:19.27 | fredl | Hmm do I resize2fs the /dev/mapper/<device> ? |
| 18:19.38 | fredl | I thought it was something different than that.... |
| 18:19.55 | Wyzard | fredl: "resize2fs /dev/mapper/<device>" would work |
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| 18:20.24 | Wyzard | fredl: LVM creates symlinks like /dev/<vg>/<lv> which point to /dev/mapper/<vg>-<lv>, for your convenience |
| 18:20.36 | fredl | nah, says resize2fs 1.40.2 (12-Jul-2007) |
| 18:20.36 | fredl | The filesystem is already 26214400 blocks long. Nothing to do! |
| 18:20.40 | Wyzard | fredl: but you can use the real devices in /dev/mapper if you want |
| 18:21.04 | fredl | I recall having some problems with that in the past. |
| 18:21.15 | fredl | it's not on a daily basis I do this :) |
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| 18:22.04 | dutchfish | liable, wireshark protocol hierarchy statistics? |
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| 18:22.32 | liable | dutchfish: what do you mean? |
| 18:22.47 | dutchfish | liable, if you used wireshark |
| 18:22.50 | Wyzard | fredl: Assuming the "blocks" it's referring to are 4k filesystem blocks, that's 100GB |
| 18:22.51 | xingu | liable: dig @ip.ad.dr.es windowsupdate.microsoft.com | awk '/^;; Query time: [0-9]* msec$/ { print $4 };' |
| 18:23.08 | fredl | Wyzard - correct. |
| 18:23.25 | Wyzard | fredl: If that's the size it detected, apparently the underlying block device didn't get resized after all |
| 18:23.25 | fredl | Wyzard but it needs to become 197.21G |
| 18:23.27 | xingu | liable: if you're really keen, add in a `date`-stamp |
| 18:23.53 | fredl | Wyzard - hmm, do you know what the attributes in lvs mean? |
| 18:24.12 | liable | whats that dns server? 1.2.4.5? |
| 18:24.12 | Wyzard | fredl: nope, sorry... I use lvdisplay |
| 18:24.18 | S4nD3r | theres no file anymore |
| 18:24.18 | fredl | Wyzard, coz de media volume has attrs -wi-a-, while the other volumes have -wi-ao |
| 18:24.22 | xingu | liable: echo '"'`date`'"', '"'`dig @ip.ad.dr.es windowsupdate.microsoft.com | awk '/^;; Query time: [0-9]* msec$/ { print $4 };'`'"' |
| 18:24.56 | Wyzard | All my LVs here are -wi-ao too |
| 18:25.05 | xingu | liable: the isp's ones, that are ending up being learnt by/ forward-to-by 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:25.27 | rdz | hi all. suddenly, i don' know why, i cannot type a dollarsign anymore. i get a 'p' instead |
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| 18:25.45 | rdz | what.could.that be? |
| 18:25.59 | fredl | Wyzard, hmm. Lemme read some FM's on that one then |
| 18:26.00 | rdz | i am using a swissgerman layout... |
| 18:26.07 | liable | xingu: i have my isp's in resolv.conf now, and it still hangs, so i dont see why the router should matter |
| 18:26.15 | tarzeau | rdz: console or x? |
| 18:26.27 | xingu | liable: yes; I'm suggesting you test the isp's response time directly |
| 18:26.28 | rdz | tarzeau, both |
| 18:26.35 | tarzeau | rdz: for yo$ |
| 18:26.35 | dutchfish | liable, did you try different dns servers? |
| 18:26.38 | xingu | liable: the ip addresses to test, are the ones your router is currently using |
| 18:26.44 | tarzeau | rdz: i can type it, i got swiss german too |
| 18:26.56 | tarzeau | rdz: and if you say loadkeys sg or setxkbmap ch ? |
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| 18:27.15 | xingu | liable: if their cache is overworked, you'll see most queries satisfied 0-30ms, and some at some point around 2-3s |
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| 18:27.39 | minerale | what is the name of the repository that keeps the windows media codecs? |
| 18:27.54 | dutchfish | !non-free |
| 18:27.55 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:27.57 | Wyzard | minerale: debian-multimedia |
| 18:28.04 | fredl | Wyzard, oh, the missing o in the Attr's is just because that fs wasn't mounted. |
| 18:28.05 | liable | xingu: 59 |
| 18:28.16 | Wyzard | fredl: oh, ok |
| 18:28.52 | fredl | now why doesn't resize2fs not work GRRRR |
| 18:28.54 | Wyzard | fredl: What size does the volume show in lvs and/or lvdisplay? |
| 18:29.14 | fredl | Wyzard - media positron_extra -wi-ao 197.21G |
| 18:29.26 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 18:29.38 | fredl | strange huh? |
| 18:29.48 | Wyzard | fredl: Run fdisk on it, and type 'p' to see the partition listing... not that there's a partition table on the LV, nor that you want to put one there, but it'll tell you the detected size of the block device |
| 18:30.03 | rdz | tarzeau, could it possible be that the hardware is kind of broken? |
| 18:30.22 | fredl | fdisk on what? |
| 18:30.28 | tarzeau | rdz: the key? maybe, happens seldom |
| 18:30.34 | xingu | liable: loop, and run a while... |
| 18:30.37 | rdz | tarzeau, when using shift or alt-gr i got the same chars with [dollar] as i would press [P] |
| 18:30.53 | xingu | liable: while :; do ...; sleep 10; done or whatever |
| 18:30.54 | Wyzard | fredl: on the LV device in /dev/mapper |
| 18:31.11 | tarzeau | rdz: you press the key good? is microsoft keyboard? |
| 18:31.25 | fredl | Wyzard, hmmm |
| 18:31.32 | rdz | tarzeau, worse, it is the built-in keyboard of my laptop |
| 18:31.37 | Wyzard | fredl: It'll warn you about "invalid flag 0x0000" because there's no actual partition table there, but ignore that |
| 18:31.38 | fredl | Command (m for help): p |
| 18:31.38 | fredl | Disk /dev/mapper/positron_extra-media: 107.3 GB, 107374182400 bytes |
| 18:31.38 | S4nD3r | what to do then? |
| 18:31.38 | rdz | yeah... |
| 18:31.49 | tarzeau | rdz: not an apple computer. hp? dell? toshiba? |
| 18:32.00 | Wyzard | fredl: OK, so LVM/EVMS thinks the block device was resized but device-mapper doesn't |
| 18:32.14 | rdz | tarzeau, the exact same computer workd just yesterday |
| 18:32.15 | Wyzard | fredl: Try taking the LV (possibly the whole VG) offline and then putting it back online again |
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| 18:32.26 | tarzeau | rdz: :) |
| 18:32.26 | Wyzard | fredl: That should remove and re-establish the device-mapper device for it |
| 18:32.28 | fredl | how do I take an LV offline? |
| 18:32.31 | rdz | it's new that dollar is replcade by P |
| 18:32.37 | rdz | i am ver confused |
| 18:32.45 | Wyzard | fredl: With LVM, it's "lvchange -an <vg>/<lv>" |
| 18:32.45 | fredl | (or a VG) |
| 18:32.47 | tarzeau | rdz: on laptops it's not so seldom that keys break |
| 18:32.54 | rdz | i.see |
| 18:32.54 | tarzeau | rdz: who is the manufacturer of your laptop? |
| 18:32.55 | rdz | sit |
| 18:32.57 | rdz | shit |
| 18:32.57 | Wyzard | fredl: and "lvchange -ay <vg>/</lv>" to put it back |
| 18:33.02 | rdz | tarzeau, asus |
| 18:33.15 | Wyzard | fredl: or "vgchange -an <vg>" |
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| 18:33.22 | Wyzard | fredl: If it's different with EVMS, though, I don't know |
| 18:33.23 | liable | i need a random url list |
| 18:33.32 | rdz | as you might have notices, some keys are not that easy to trigger, especially H and L |
| 18:33.40 | liable | xingu: always around 60 |
| 18:33.47 | rdz | i have to press like an elephant (or whatever) |
| 18:33.56 | tarzeau | rdz: push really hard.. |
| 18:33.59 | Wyzard | rdz: That sounds like a broken (or very dirty) keyboard |
| 18:34.04 | fredl | Wyard - for some strange reasons lvchange also says '/dev/cdrom: open failed: Read-only file system' 'Attempt to close device '/dev/cdrom' which is not open.' |
| 18:34.15 | Wyzard | fredl: weird... no idea about that |
| 18:34.18 | fredl | and: LV positron_extra/media in use: not deactivating |
| 18:34.35 | Wyzard | fredl: hmm, maybe something else has it in use, and that's why it couldn't be changed |
| 18:34.43 | Wyzard | fredl: Run fuser on the block device in /dev/mapper |
| 18:34.44 | fredl | oh okay I had to umount it first, I think it's inactive now. |
| 18:34.47 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 18:34.58 | fredl | but that /dev/cdrom baffles me. |
| 18:35.10 | Wyzard | fredl: Take it offline and check that it's gone from /dev/mapper, then activate it again and it should reappear in /dev/mapper |
| 18:35.11 | rdz | i didn't know, that a keyboard can break in a way, that some keys get replaced by others.. is that something that is known to happen? |
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| 18:35.30 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, depmod -ae didn't have an output.. |
| 18:35.37 | Spiritus55 | I'm gonna go ahead and say that's bad.. |
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| 18:35.44 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: No, actually that's a good thing |
| 18:35.47 | fredl | so I did lvchange -ay / -an on it... |
| 18:35.54 | Spiritus55 | And when I did modprobe rtl8150.ko.. it didn't find it. |
| 18:35.56 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Output would me messages about unsatisfied symbols in modules |
| 18:36.01 | fredl | lvs still says it's 197.21G |
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| 18:36.11 | vsayikiran | vlc is playing video but not sound |
| 18:36.13 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: modprobe takes just the basename of the module, without the .ko |
| 18:36.19 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: modprobe rtl8150 |
| 18:36.20 | cico | I want to know which package contains as assembler? how can I find it out? |
| 18:36.22 | Spiritus55 | I also tried that. |
| 18:36.25 | Spiritus55 | And it didn't work. |
| 18:36.39 | vsayikiran | vlc is not playing sound |
| 18:36.56 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: hmm... find /lib/modules -name rtl8150.ko |
| 18:37.08 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, do I have to? |
| 18:37.14 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: On an etch kernel, it should be something like /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/usb/net/rtl8150.ko |
| 18:37.16 | vsayikiran | when i right click on vlc player then evrything turns black |
| 18:37.32 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Well, modprobe can't find it even after running depmod, that means the file might be missing |
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| 18:37.46 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: and if you have missing .ko files, that'd certainly explain drivers not being loaded |
| 18:37.52 | fredl | Wyzard, any other clues? |
| 18:38.07 | Wyzard | fredl: You did "-an" first, followed by "-ay", right? |
| 18:38.29 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, i have it. |
| 18:38.30 | fredl | yup |
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| 18:38.54 | vsayikiran | vlc is not able to play audio |
| 18:38.58 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: What's the full pathname that was printed by the find command? |
| 18:39.12 | Wyzard | fredl: Try doing it on the whole VG rather than just the LV |
| 18:39.15 | Wyzard | fredl: Other than that, I dunno |
| 18:39.25 | fredl | Wyzard, hang on, I did lvchange on /dev/mapper/positron_extra-media |
| 18:39.28 | vsayikiran | is anyone listening to my call , vlc is not playing sound, video is ok |
| 18:39.30 | Spiritus55 | what you had instead it was /drivers/usb/rtl8150.ko |
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| 18:39.36 | Spiritus55 | not /usb/net |
| 18:39.37 | g0th | I'm running ubuntu gutsy and I'm trying to keep a certain package (mplayer) at a certain version. So I added /etc/apt/preferences according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto with the following conent: http://rafb.net/p/oVBZrU79.html |
| 18:39.38 | eth01 | apt-get install apache2 php5 -- will that work? |
| 18:39.40 | fredl | I guess I should use another syntax.... |
| 18:39.42 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: What kernel are you running? |
| 18:39.51 | simonrvn | g0th: #ubuntu |
| 18:39.54 | g0th | Is that the right syntax? |
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| 18:40.06 | g0th | simonrvn: isn't that an apt question? |
| 18:40.08 | vsayikiran | vlc is playing sound |
| 18:40.11 | g0th | but yeah |
| 18:40.13 | simonrvn | g0th: #ubuntu |
| 18:40.16 | g0th | simonrvn: I went there |
| 18:40.20 | vsayikiran | vlc is not playing sound |
| 18:40.23 | g0th | they don't answer anything ^^ |
| 18:40.31 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 18:40.33 | vsayikiran | vlc is not playing soound |
| 18:40.56 | g0th | simonrvn: well anyway the question is not ubuntu related |
| 18:41.06 | vsayikiran | please make my vlc create some sound |
| 18:41.15 | g0th | actually the question would belong to #apt but i don't think it exists |
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| 18:41.22 | g0th | so the next logical place imo is #debian or not? |
| 18:41.22 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, the default install of debian etch.. |
| 18:41.25 | Spiritus55 | Whatever kernel that is. |
| 18:41.29 | Spiritus55 | I'm pretty sure it's what you put. |
| 18:41.31 | vsayikiran | vlc player turns black when i right clikc on it |
| 18:41.36 | Wyzard | !tell vsayikiran about repeat |
| 18:41.38 | Spiritus55 | 2.6.18 for sure. |
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| 18:41.45 | simonrvn | g0th: ive heard them all, don't bother trying. /join #ubuntu |
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| 18:41.59 | moefoe | (mumble) .. #videolan .. (mumble) |
| 18:42.02 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Check your kernel version with "uname -r" |
| 18:42.03 | cico | I want to find out 'as' belongs to which package. what is the command? |
| 18:42.16 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, that would require restarting.. |
| 18:42.22 | fredl | Wyard - when you take an LV/VG offline, does it tell you it was succesfull in doing so? |
| 18:42.27 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Then look at the path returned by the find command, and check whether the subdirectory under /lib/modules is *exactly the same* as the version returned by "uname -r" |
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| 18:42.30 | Spiritus55 | I need something more to do other than uname -a in order to restart. |
| 18:42.36 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: i am not able to hear any sound in vlc player |
| 18:42.58 | Spiritus55 | vsayikiran, try restarting. |
| 18:43.23 | cico | vsayikiran: did you try reconfiguring alsa? |
| 18:43.31 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: First and most importantly, you need to make sure the rtl8150.ko on your system goes with the kernel you're running |
| 18:43.32 | cico | vsayikiran: did your sound ever work? |
| 18:43.37 | vsayikiran | Spiritus: what should i restart |
| 18:43.42 | fredl | Wyzard, when I try 'lvchange -an vg' I get some output that looks like there's an error. When I do vgs after that, the two volume groups I have both have the same attributes. |
| 18:43.51 | vsayikiran | cico: yes working with totem |
| 18:43.52 | cico | vsayikiran: if your sound worked sometime ago, but doesn't work now, may be some process is using the dsp? |
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| 18:44.28 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: If your kernel is, say, 2.6.18-5-686, the .ko files under /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686 are the *only* ones that you can load |
| 18:44.34 | cico | vsayikiran: what happens if you enter the the command - esd ? |
| 18:44.36 | vsayikiran | cico: just it is working, but vlc is not playing sound, also when i right clikc on it it turns black |
| 18:44.48 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright.. I'll be right back. |
| 18:44.53 | liable | xingu: thanks for the effort.. hitting the hay, will let you know how i go when i sort it. |
| 18:44.53 | vsayikiran | cico: should i run as root |
| 18:44.57 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: so if your only rtl8150.ko is in some other kernel's modules directory (say, 2.6.18-4-686), that won't work |
| 18:45.20 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright, I get it. |
| 18:45.21 | Spiritus55 | brb |
| 18:45.26 | cico | vsayikiran: as you wish. it wouldn't matter. |
| 18:45.28 | fredl | Wyzard, any clue how I list which devices the mapper *thinks* are in a volume? |
| 18:45.41 | vsayikiran | cico: it is running |
| 18:46.00 | fredl | Wyzard, because I think that for some strange reason the mapper believes /dev/cdrom is in the VG |
| 18:46.02 | vsayikiran | cico: only vlc is having problem, totem, rhythmbox works fine |
| 18:46.08 | cico | vsayikiran: of course it would since you ran it. what is the output? |
| 18:46.19 | eth01 | apt-get install apache2 php5 -- will that work? |
| 18:46.23 | Wyzard | fredl: device-mapper doesn't know anything about volumes... all it does is create a block device representing a certain range of sectors on another block device (what LVM calls a "physical volume") |
| 18:46.45 | Wyzard | fredl: "pvs" or "pvdisplay" will tell you what your PVs are |
| 18:46.48 | vsayikiran | cico: esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket /tmp/.esd/socket This socket already exists indicating esd is already running. |
| 18:46.53 | vsayikiran | Exiting... |
| 18:47.12 | cico | vsayikiran: can you watch movies on vlc with the video but without the sound? |
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| 18:47.43 | vsayikiran | cico: yes, and totem and rhythmbox works fine with both audio and video |
| 18:47.49 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: If esd is running, nothing else besides esd can use the soundcard |
| 18:47.55 | fredl | Wyzard, so, okay, pvs shows me I have three vg's, /dev/dm-6, /dev/dm-7 and /dev/hdb5 |
| 18:48.03 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: totem and rhythmbox both use GStreamer for playback, and that's probably configured to go through esd |
| 18:48.09 | cico | vsayikiran: that is not the answer of my questoin. |
| 18:48.12 | Wyzard | fredl: three PVs, you mean |
| 18:48.18 | cico | (12:17:26 IST) cico: vsayikiran: can you watch movies on vlc with the video but without the sound? |
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| 18:48.41 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: so there is no problem with my sound card |
| 18:48.48 | vsayikiran | cico: yes i can wathc movies but without sound |
| 18:48.50 | fredl | Wyzard, /dev/hdb5 is the only in the VG 'positron'... /dev/dm-6 and /dev/dm-5 are in the VG positron_extra |
| 18:49.03 | Wyzard | fredl: I'm curious about the dm-6 and dm-7 though... are you using dmraid, or disk encryption or something? |
| 18:49.29 | fredl | Wyzard, I think I am using dmraid, I have no clue how that happened to be honest with you. |
| 18:49.31 | vsayikiran | cico: if i watch movies and i open a menu in it then the portion of screen behind it becomes black |
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| 18:49.42 | Wyzard | fredl: At any rate, you don't have /dev/cdrom in your volume group |
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| 18:50.15 | liable | xingu: the query reponse giving another hostname just seems wrong to me, then it finally gives an ip |
| 18:50.18 | S4nD3r | I came back |
| 18:50.19 | vsayikiran | cico: this used to happen in windows and ubuntu also, but in ubuntu after update the problem was resolved |
| 18:50.20 | Wyzard | fredl: I'm not too surprised if LVM/EVMS is looking at it anyway, but it should be harmless |
| 18:50.21 | fredl | Wyzard, I can use 'dmsetup ls' though which shows me a bunch of... yeah what shall I call them. |
| 18:50.25 | liable | anyway, its 4am, time for bed |
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| 18:50.44 | S4nD3r | theres no /dev/dvd |
| 18:50.51 | cico | vsayikiran: try running vlc from shell and see if you get any error message in the shell. |
| 18:50.54 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.55 | S4nD3r | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-10-27 13:45 cdrom1 -> hdd |
| 18:50.58 | vsayikiran | cico: the problem is with vlc and not my pc sound card |
| 18:51.05 | S4nD3r | but theres this one |
| 18:51.08 | fredl | Wyzard, alright, so we'll just disregard the /dev/cdrom message then. Is there any way to verify if an lv is offline? |
| 18:51.13 | cico | 12:21:05 IST) cico: vsayikiran: try running vlc from shell and see if you get any error message in the shell. |
| 18:51.15 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Did you restore that file in /etc/udev/rules.d that you deleted? |
| 18:51.46 | S4nD3r | this is here |
| 18:51.48 | Wyzard | fredl: Run lvdisplay and look at the "LV Status" line |
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| 18:52.04 | Wyzard | fredl: It'll be either "available" or (I think) "offline" |
| 18:52.06 | vsayikiran | cico: no error message but i got this "It is potentially dangerous, and might not even work properly." |
| 18:52.07 | rdz | tarzeau, don't know why, but rebootng helped.. it seems that t was not related to the physcal keyboard |
| 18:52.11 | S4nD3r | but is empty |
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| 18:52.23 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: What's empty? |
| 18:52.26 | vsayikiran | cico: i am logged into root shell |
| 18:52.31 | S4nD3r | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 2007-05-12 13:03 z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules -> ../cd-aliases-generator.rules |
| 18:52.33 | tarzeau | rdz: interesting |
| 18:52.34 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.35 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.37 | S4nD3r | I deleted cd-aliases |
| 18:52.52 | fredl | Wyzard, so the lvchange worked. |
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| 18:53.01 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: which you shouldn't have done, and you need to put that file back |
| 18:53.10 | S4nD3r | udevtrigger didnt re-recreated file |
| 18:53.17 | fredl | LVM is supposed to make life easier dammit :P |
| 18:53.19 | vsayikiran | cico: are you there |
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| 18:53.26 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: udevtrigger doesn't create the cd-aliases-generator file |
| 18:53.27 | cico | vsayikiran: yes |
| 18:53.31 | reber | hi all |
| 18:53.39 | S4nD3r | no |
| 18:53.41 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: udevtrigger *runs* the cd-aliases-generator file to generate the persistent-cd file |
| 18:53.42 | cico | vsayikiran: try from a non-root shell |
| 18:53.49 | reber | do you know where is saved iptables config on debian ? |
| 18:53.56 | rdz | tarzeau, but still don't know why, that happened' |
| 18:53.57 | fredl | Wyzard, lemme try to take the whole vg offline then... |
| 18:53.59 | reber | static configuration of iptable at boot |
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| 18:54.25 | S4nD3r | z25_persistent-cd.rules this file exists |
| 18:54.32 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: I told you to delete one file that's safe to delete because it gets regenerated automatically, and you deleted a different one that is *not* safe to delete because it does not get regenerated automatically |
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| 18:54.44 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, they are in different directories. |
| 18:54.52 | S4nD3r | oh... |
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| 18:55.10 | reber | does anyone know where is saved iptables config on debian ? (at boot time) |
| 18:55.25 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, what is the kernel you gave earlier? |
| 18:55.28 | cico | vsayikiran: check - tail /var/log/messages and see if you can see any vlc related error messages. |
| 18:55.37 | cico | vsayikiran: next check - dmesg | tail |
| 18:55.41 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: 2.6.18-5-686 is the current one in 32-bit etch |
| 18:55.50 | Spiritus55 | That's what I have. |
| 18:55.50 | fredl | Wyard - aha taking the whole volume offline apparently changed something. resize2fs now tells me to run e2fsck -f first |
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| 18:56.05 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: What kernel are you running, and what directory is your rtl8150.ko in? |
| 18:56.08 | Spiritus55 | The driver for rtl8150 is in 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:56.11 | vsayikiran | cico: do you know any pastebin link then i will paste the error |
| 18:56.25 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: And there's none in 2.6.18-5-686? |
| 18:56.30 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, nien |
| 18:56.44 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Apparently you're missing modules for your current kernel, then |
| 18:56.50 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, ... odd |
| 18:56.51 | S4nD3r | what to do now ? |
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| 18:57.02 | fredl | Can removable media be part of a volume group? |
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| 18:57.09 | cico | vsayikiran: http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 18:57.28 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, so what can I do? |
| 18:57.29 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: 2.6.18-4 is the kernel that etch was originally released with, and it was replaced several months ago with 2.6.18-5 which has some security fixes |
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| 18:57.47 | Spiritus55 | mmk but in order to update, I need to be on the internet. |
| 18:57.49 | Spiritus55 | Which is hard.. |
| 18:57.59 | Spiritus55 | Because I can't be on the internet. |
| 18:58.12 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You apparently still have 2.6.18-4 installed, so if you still have it in your GRUB menu, you could boot that to get your hardware working while you fix 2.6.18-5 |
| 18:58.14 | fredl | Spiritus55, uhh newsflash... you are on the internet. |
| 18:58.28 | vsayikiran | cico: i am sending you the link , be patient |
| 18:58.28 | Spiritus55 | fredl, no shit. |
| 18:58.34 | fredl | *grin* |
| 18:58.38 | Wyzard | fredl: He's using a liveCD now... can't get online from his real installation |
| 18:58.43 | reber | on shorewall i have this : ERROR: The 'norfc1918' option has been specified on an interface with an RFC 1918 address. Interface:eth0. Any ideas ? |
| 18:58.50 | fredl | Wyzard, just messin' with him :) |
| 18:59.01 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright, what do I need to do to get these said modules to work on *-5-686? |
| 18:59.06 | fredl | Wyzard, hey, I got the resize to work |
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| 18:59.15 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: You deleted /etc/udev/cd-aliases-generator.rules, right? |
| 18:59.28 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 18:59.38 | fredl | So much for using evms that brought me this mess.... |
| 18:59.45 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You'd reinstall the 2.6.18-5-686 package, which contains all the files in the /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686 directory |
| 18:59.52 | S4nD3r | but I have z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules |
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| 19:00.13 | Spiritus55 | sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 or something like that? |
| 19:00.39 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Add a --reinstall to that, but yes |
| 19:00.44 | fredl | Wyzard, thanks for you help |
| 19:00.47 | Spiritus55 | is that it exactly? |
| 19:01.07 | vsayikiran | cico: http://pastebin.com/m6a943436 |
| 19:01.09 | fredl | dammit I hate it when my keyboard goes nuts on me. |
| 19:01.09 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, give me the exact sytax.. |
| 19:01.11 | Spiritus55 | Please. |
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| 19:01.21 | Spiritus55 | fredl, I hate it when my nuts go keyboard on me. |
| 19:01.31 | vsayikiran | cico: now tell whats the problem with vlc |
| 19:01.37 | fredl | ;) |
| 19:01.38 | shogunx | get your nuts off your keyboard |
| 19:01.54 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 19:01.54 | Spiritus55 | shogunx, how else am I supposed to type? |
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| 19:02.02 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, thanks dude. |
| 19:02.06 | shogunx | talk about hunt and peck... |
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| 19:02.07 | Spiritus55 | I'll be back, hopefully on debian. |
| 19:02.07 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: and watch carefully for any error messages |
| 19:02.11 | Nihill | whee |
| 19:02.13 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright. |
| 19:02.17 | Nihill | it all works fine :) |
| 19:02.19 | fredl | I'm downloading an 80GB torrrent... |
| 19:02.27 | fredl | well 8.4GB |
| 19:02.29 | fredl | ehr |
| 19:02.40 | fredl | my 'one' is gone |
| 19:02.51 | fredl | 8(one).4GB |
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| 19:03.08 | shogunx | whats that, every star trek ever? |
| 19:03.08 | fredl | the Planet Earth complete series (BBC) |
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| 19:03.17 | fredl | in full HD |
| 19:03.19 | vsayikiran | cico: did you visit the link i posted |
| 19:03.26 | fredl | 5 discs. |
| 19:03.27 | cico | vsayikiran: you need to install decode mpeg |
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| 19:03.51 | fredl | you can't buy those discs is you're not native British. |
| 19:03.53 | vsayikiran | cico: but how totem is able to play sound and video |
| 19:03.54 | fredl | damnit. |
| 19:04.19 | cico | vsayikiran: totem uses gstreamer |
| 19:04.31 | vsayikiran | cico: why doesnt vlc use it by default |
| 19:04.56 | vsayikiran | cico: apt-get install mpeg-decoder |
| 19:05.07 | S4nD3r | Wyzard, ready |
| 19:05.17 | eth01 | apt-get install apache2 php5 -- will that work? |
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| 19:05.52 | vsayikiran | cico: this is what i have to do apt-get install decodermpeg |
| 19:05.55 | S4nD3r | ok the file is back |
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| 19:07.09 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: OK, good |
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| 19:07.21 | Spiritus55 | Well, I'm on Debian now.. |
| 19:07.25 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: And you mentioned a few minutes ago that /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules does exist? |
| 19:07.30 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, and I'm downloading the image. |
| 19:07.32 | fredl | HD video kicks ass. |
| 19:07.33 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: using 2.6.18-4, I assume? |
| 19:07.34 | Wyzard | cool |
| 19:07.37 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, yeah. |
| 19:07.44 | vsayikiran | cico |
| 19:07.47 | fredl | except... Debian is not *that* friendly for GUI stuff. |
| 19:07.52 | S4nD3r | yes ! |
| 19:08.00 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, if anything I'll just keep using this.. but I'm pretty sure you can help me fix it. |
| 19:08.08 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: It'd be worth investigating why the 2.6.18-5 modules are missing... make sure your root partition isn't full or something |
| 19:08.10 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, thanks for sticking with me this far.. I'm sure it's just a few things. |
| 19:08.25 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, / has like 800 megabytes free... |
| 19:08.27 | fredl | I find a lot of desktop apps don't quite work or need a lot of tweaking. |
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| 19:08.38 | h3sp4wn | fredl: In sid ? |
| 19:08.44 | cico | vsayikiran: try apt-get install w32codecs |
| 19:08.49 | fredl | h3sp4wn, yeah |
| 19:08.49 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: You said earlier that it didn't exist |
| 19:08.58 | h3sp4wn | fredl: Its not really surprising |
| 19:08.59 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Delete z25_persistent-cd.rules, and *only* that file, and then run udevtrigger |
| 19:09.00 | S4nD3r | I confused |
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| 19:09.30 | S4nD3r | I deleted |
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| 19:09.34 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You don't want to run 2.6.18-4 long-term since it has known security bugs; that's why 2.6.18-5 was released |
| 19:09.35 | S4nD3r | and recreated |
| 19:09.37 | fredl | h3sp4wn, nope, not really. I'm running most of my server processes on that box, but that box is also my media centre. |
| 19:09.55 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: You ran udevtrigger and the file came back, right? |
| 19:09.58 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, yeah.. I know, basically just till I get 2.6.18-5-686 working, I'll use it. |
| 19:10.06 | S4nD3r | sure |
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| 19:10.28 | fredl | h3sp4wn, so I have to choose between the typically somewhat more polished Ubuntu desktop thingies and the rouger around the edges sid with much more helpfull people here on IRC |
| 19:10.30 | Wyzard | S4nD3r: Do you have a /dev/dvd now? |
| 19:10.44 | Nihill | if I want to use nonfree do I need to add a new line to my sources.lst or tag it onto one of the entrys like dpkg suggests? |
| 19:10.44 | fredl | tough choice.... |
| 19:10.49 | cico | vsayikiran: did it work? |
| 19:10.59 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 19:11.03 | Wyzard | Nihill: You can add it to your existing lines... "main" becomes "main contrib non-free" |
| 19:11.08 | DawnLight | !greet me |
| 19:11.08 | dpkg | Hello, dawnlight |
| 19:11.11 | Nihill | thanks Wyzard |
| 19:11.29 | cico | !greet Nihill |
| 19:11.30 | dpkg | Hello, Nihill |
| 19:11.32 | fredl | Wyzard deserves an award. |
| 19:11.33 | vsayikiran | cico: not able to install w32codecs , its telling that package is obsolete |
| 19:12.02 | cico | that's strange! w32codecs works in mine. |
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| 19:12.18 | cico | !tell w32codecs |
| 19:12.26 | fredl | yeah for me too. But for w32codecs you need to add an apt repository, correct? |
| 19:12.31 | Nihill | how do you update dpkg it's like someone wrote it who doesnt understand english properly |
| 19:12.47 | vsayikiran | cico: which version of debian you are using |
| 19:12.51 | fredl | Nihill, yeah that happens y'know :) |
| 19:12.51 | h3sp4wn | fredl: true (I would take sid almost all of the time - perhaps not with a particularly broken laptop bios wise (that ubuntu had fixed)) |
| 19:13.20 | vsayikiran | fredl: which repository i have to add, please give me details |
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| 19:13.32 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, is there a way to set up a splash image? So instead of just regular old text running, I could have that text run with a background? |
| 19:13.35 | fredl | vsayikiran, oof, don't remember on top of my head, lemme check |
| 19:13.40 | Xenguy | !w32codecs |
| 19:13.40 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 19:13.50 | DawnLight | !usplash |
| 19:14.02 | fredl | vsayikiran, I added 'deb http://ftp.uni-kl.de/debian-multimedia/ unstable main' in my sources.list |
| 19:14.03 | cico | !w32codecs vsayikiran |
| 19:14.08 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: I'm sure it's possible, but I've never looked into doing it so I can't help with that, sorry |
| 19:14.22 | vsayikiran | !w32codecs |
| 19:14.22 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 19:14.25 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, oh, I was just wondering. |
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| 19:14.33 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, and the image just finished setting up. |
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| 19:14.42 | DawnLight | !splashy |
| 19:14.42 | dpkg | well, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 19:14.53 | vsayikiran | cico: dpkg says its nonfree package |
| 19:14.54 | cico | !beryl me |
| 19:15.03 | Spiritus55 | rtl8150.ko is in the /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/usb/net now |
| 19:15.04 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Make sure you have a rtl1850.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686 before you reboot |
| 19:15.05 | cico | !beryl |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 19:15.08 | Wyzard | ok, good |
| 19:15.12 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, :) |
| 19:15.18 | Spiritus55 | Great minds think alike. |
| 19:15.18 | DawnLight | Spiritus55: see dpkg up ^ |
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| 19:15.20 | Spiritus55 | Reboot. |
| 19:15.21 | cico | can't I make dpkg tell about beryl in a private message? |
| 19:15.26 | fredl | vsayikiran, yes, it's not a free package, you will have to pay me for it. |
| 19:15.27 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: btw, out of curiosity, before you rebooted today and encountered this problem, when's the last time you rebooted your system? |
| 19:15.45 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, hmm... a while ago, which is probably the problem.. maybe like a week. |
| 19:15.45 | cico | vsayikiran: yes it's non free. are you a strong supporter of free software and refuse to use non-free? ;-) |
| 19:15.55 | vsayikiran | fredl: is there any problem with installing a non-free package that to which is unstable |
| 19:15.57 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: and when's the last time you did an apt upgrade? |
| 19:16.05 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, also about a week. |
| 19:16.18 | fredl | vsayikiran, nah, as long as you pay me. Price is one beer. |
| 19:16.29 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: then you were probably running 2.6.18-4 the whole time, and 2.6.18-5 didn't get installed correctly so it failed when you booted it |
| 19:16.37 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, alright. |
| 19:16.44 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, why wouldn't it have been installed correctly? |
| 19:16.45 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: as opposed to, 2.6.18-5 used to work and then something deleted its modules for some reason |
| 19:16.45 | cico | !fsck |
| 19:16.45 | dpkg | [fsck] a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 19:16.50 | fredl | vsayikiran, you can send that beer to Wyzard for me. |
| 19:17.04 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: full disk is the only reason I can think of offhand, but you ruled that out already |
| 19:17.11 | vsayikiran | fredl: now dont play jokes with me, i mean to say whether i will create any further problem |
| 19:17.27 | Xenguy | msgthebot |
| 19:17.34 | Xenguy | !msgthebot |
| 19:17.35 | dpkg | i heard msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 19:17.42 | fredl | you eat bear?? |
| 19:17.50 | fredl | man you're fsck'ing weird. |
| 19:17.57 | dimir | Bear meat should be expensive. |
| 19:17.58 | vsayikiran | fredl: if you want go to your nearest pub |
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| 19:18.19 | fredl | well sometimes soon we can all eat polar bear. |
| 19:18.23 | fredl | GLOBAL WARMING |
| 19:18.48 | fredl | vsayikiran, anyway no you won't cause a problem using non-free software, don't worry about it. |
| 19:18.58 | vsayikiran | fredl: the link u gave me says its unstable, so wont it crash my system? |
| 19:18.59 | fredl | vsayikiran, just don't tell your local authorities. |
| 19:19.14 | cico | lol |
| 19:19.21 | vsayikiran | fredl: i wont tell anyone dont worry |
| 19:19.26 | cico | vsayikiran: no, it is not Windows Vista. |
| 19:19.31 | fredl | vsayikiran, no, you change it to whatever distro you're running. |
| 19:19.42 | eth01 | i want to install apache with PHP5. |
| 19:19.44 | fredl | vsayikiran, so if you run Sid you use the line I just gave you. |
| 19:20.01 | fredl | vsayikiran, or if you run testing/stable, change the line I gave you to reflect that. |
| 19:20.04 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: An unstable package won't necessarily (or even probably) crash your system, but it's a bad idea to install unstable packages on a stable system unless you know what you're doing |
| 19:20.10 | vsayikiran | fredl: now whats Sid |
| 19:20.24 | wols_ | eth01: then do it? |
| 19:20.25 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: If you're running stable (etch), just replace "unstable" with "stable" in the URL |
| 19:20.33 | fredl | Sid Vicious. It's the sex pistol of Debian, highly explosive and unstable. |
| 19:20.38 | cico | vsayikiran: sid is the unstable version of Debian |
| 19:20.42 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, hmmm... well /usr did fill up on me about a week ago.. which is about the last time I rebooted also. |
| 19:20.48 | cico | vsayikiran: the current stable version is Etch. |
| 19:20.51 | cico | !etch |
| 19:20.51 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 19:20.53 | eth01 | with apt? |
| 19:20.54 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: i am running stable etch |
| 19:20.55 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, which could be it.. |
| 19:20.55 | cico | !sid |
| 19:20.55 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq> |
| 19:21.09 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Maybe dpkg ran into a disk-full error while unpacking stuff in /usr, then, and aborted before it got around to unpacking stuff in /lib/modules |
| 19:21.20 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, that's probably it.. |
| 19:21.30 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, thanks for all your help buddy. |
| 19:21.31 | cico | vsayikiran: include the unstable line, apt-get update, apt-get install the package you want, remove unstable line, apt-get update |
| 19:21.37 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, you get a gold star in my book. |
| 19:21.41 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You're welcome |
| 19:21.49 | cico | !sid faq |
| 19:21.49 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 19:21.49 | fredl | oh I thought Sid was named Sid because of Sid Vicious. Go figure what I know. |
| 19:22.02 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, one last thing.. what is the 2 letter command that checks your hard-drive's memory status.. |
| 19:22.05 | Spiritus55 | dh or something. |
| 19:22.09 | cico | WTF! why wouldn't sid be released? |
| 19:22.09 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: df -h |
| 19:22.10 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: i should paste this is my source.list , "deb http://ftp.uni-kl.de/debian-multimedia/ stable main" |
| 19:22.19 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, that's it. |
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| 19:22.50 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: The "-h" makes the results "human-readable", i.e. using 'M' and 'G' for megabytes and gigabytes rather than displaying the exact number of bytes |
| 19:23.01 | eth01 | to install apache2 with php is as follows; apt-get install apache2; apt-get install php5 - correct? |
| 19:23.06 | fredl | vsayikiran, yup. Depending on where you are you might want to choose a closer mirror than ftp.uni-kl.de though |
| 19:23.42 | wols_ | eth01: no |
| 19:23.43 | Wyzard | eth01: That *should* work afaik... apache2 has several MPMs that you can choose between, and the only one that works with PHP is the prefork one, but I think installing apache2 will install the prefork MPM by default |
| 19:24.02 | eth01 | Wyzard: hrm k. |
| 19:24.05 | vsayikiran | fredl: no problem with mirror ,but i replaced unstable with stable becoz i am using stable version of etch |
| 19:24.11 | Wyzard | eth01: hmm, no, I'm wrong, it defaults to the "worker" MPM |
| 19:24.18 | Spiritus55 | eth01, it's probably apt-get install php5 && apt-get install apache2 |
| 19:24.22 | cico | vsayikiran: list of apt-get entries - http://www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php |
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| 19:24.29 | quittt | how do I configure Debian menu? |
| 19:24.36 | Wyzard | eth01: Spiritus55 is right -- install php5 first, and that'll pull in the prefork MPM |
| 19:24.39 | wols_ | quittt: update-menu |
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| 19:24.50 | quittt | wols_, I want to change its language |
| 19:24.55 | eth01 | i see, ok thanks. |
| 19:25.00 | Spiritus55 | your welcome. |
| 19:25.02 | cico | vsayikiran: the link I have given ^^^ has multimedia entries for stable. select one and install. |
| 19:25.12 | wols_ | quittt: change your locale |
| 19:30.13 | smica | which package contains the dig and the nslookup programs on sarge? (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 19:30.48 | vsayikiran | cico: i am getting gpg error |
| 19:30.51 | Wofl | hey guys |
| 19:30.59 | Wofl | i got some random wireless issue |
| 19:31.36 | Wofl | is just dies for no reason |
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| 19:31.57 | vsayikiran | what is gpg error |
| 19:32.04 | abrotman | what is the full text ? |
| 19:32.22 | Wyzard | smica: dnsutils, I think |
| 19:32.24 | Wofl | dunno what it is doing |
| 19:32.26 | vsayikiran | please help me resolve this issue, what is gpg error |
| 19:32.35 | abrotman | what is the full text ? |
| 19:32.35 | Nihill | whats the error you are getting? |
| 19:32.52 | Nihill | I remember I solved mine by setting the bios clock to the right date :O |
| 19:32.57 | fredl | vsayikiran, nothing bad, it's just that your debian-multimedia repository isn't yet trusted. |
| 19:33.06 | smica | thanks Wyzard |
| 19:33.08 | fredl | vsayikiran, ignore it. |
| 19:33.09 | cico | vsayikiran: you can proceed inspite of the gpg error. |
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| 19:33.54 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: The debian-multimedia website has a GPG key you can import to avoid that message, but it's just a warning |
| 19:34.15 | vsayikiran | ok thanks |
| 19:34.15 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: It means that apt was unable to check (by verifying a cryptographic signature) that the packages haven't been tampered with |
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| 19:34.22 | EruditeH1rmit | hi, can anyone help me with gnome-appearance-properties. When I start it, my CPU usage spikes to 100%. This only happens as this user so I think it is some config file in this users account. I tried removing .gnome .gnome2 and .gconf, but it still spikes. Is there something I am missing? |
| 19:34.23 | abrotman | and the debian multimedia site has a FAQ which tells you how to fix that |
| 19:34.31 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: They almost certainly haven't been; apt just can't check to be sure |
| 19:34.53 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: Spikes briefly? Or goes up to 100% and stays there? |
| 19:35.09 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: goes up and stays at 100% |
| 19:35.17 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: until I kill the process |
| 19:35.19 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: should i download the pubkey from somewhere |
| 19:35.40 | cico | vsayikiran: ignore and proceed. you can do all that later. |
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| 19:35.57 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: According to http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ you should install the package "debian-multimedia-keyring" |
| 19:36.16 | curtmack | I've been having troubles with a package called uw-imapd |
| 19:36.41 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: Run it under strace, from a terminal window, and see if you get lots of lines of output while the program is sitting "idle" |
| 19:36.44 | curtmack | for some reason it's impossible to do anything with it |
| 19:36.48 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: That'll point to what it's doing |
| 19:37.00 | curtmack | when I try to configure it, it simply fails with no error message |
| 19:37.10 | Wyzard | curtmack: I've never used uw-impad, but Dovecot seems nice |
| 19:37.16 | vsayikiran | cico: continuing with download, hope vlc speaks something and does not mute |
| 19:37.40 | curtmack | when I try to remove it, it says something like "subprocess post-remove failed with exit error 10" |
| 19:37.59 | curtmack | this is becoming a problem since it interrupts any scripts that have to use dpkg |
| 19:38.07 | curtmack | including aptitude |
| 19:38.18 | curtmack | any ideas for how to get rid of it? |
| 19:38.20 | Wyzard | curtmack: Look at the files "uw-imapd.postinst" and "uw-imapd.postrm" in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:38.23 | cico | vsaykiran: downloading what? |
| 19:38.28 | Wyzard | curtmack: Those are the scripts that are failing |
| 19:38.37 | curtmack | what should I do with them? |
| 19:38.38 | Wyzard | curtmack: You can read the scripts to see what they're trying to do, and debug them that way |
| 19:38.39 | vsayikiran | cico: w32codecs |
| 19:38.45 | curtmack | okay |
| 19:38.46 | cico | vsayikiran: cool |
| 19:38.59 | eth01 | wtf |
| 19:39.04 | vsayikiran | cico: do you any pack for fast ir port |
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| 19:39.31 | cico | vsayikiran: pack what? |
| 19:39.33 | rindolf | Hi all! Does anyone know a way to save the state of a process in Linux? I'm trying to trace a Bash heisenbug. |
| 19:39.39 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: it prints out a bunch of junk, what should I be looking for? |
| 19:39.56 | vsayikiran | cico: i got this link, package for fast ir port, http://packages.debian.org/etch/irda-utils/i386/download |
| 19:40.14 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: Any messages that are printed frequently after it's finished starting up and is supposed to be sitting idle |
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| 19:40.34 | cico | vsayikiran: ok |
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| 19:41.03 | vsayikiran | cico: this should work for me? |
| 19:41.13 | cico | vsayikiran: yes |
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| 19:41.19 | vsayikiran | cico: or do i have to configure anything more in my BIOS |
| 19:41.32 | cico | vsayikiran: no |
| 19:42.59 | vsayikiran | cico: do you know which COM port does fast ir port use? |
| 19:43.14 | Thanatermesis | G0dl1k3, ¿? |
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| 19:44.08 | gribouille | hi |
| 19:44.14 | gribouille | I've just installed debian |
| 19:44.28 | cico | vsayikiran: no |
| 19:44.59 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: http://rafb.net/p/dIIWEx24.html |
| 19:45.13 | gribouille | debian starts in text mode. how can I configure it to run in graphical mode ? |
| 19:45.43 | abrotman | gribouille: which GUI do you want? |
| 19:45.47 | Thanatermesis | gribouille, install what you want to have (kde, gnome, xfce, fluxbox, etc) |
| 19:45.49 | vsayikiran | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 19:45.55 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: gettimeofday? |
| 19:45.59 | gribouille | abrotman, kde |
| 19:46.07 | abrotman | gribouille: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
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| 19:46.16 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: Some of that looks like messages printed while starting up... which part is stuff printed while it's sitting idle? |
| 19:46.33 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: i.e. if you launched it and walked away for five minutes, and then came back, which messages would you still be seeing printed? |
| 19:47.22 | gribouille | abrotman, do I have to edit a configuration file ? |
| 19:47.29 | abrotman | gribouille: hopefully not .. |
| 19:47.50 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: I did wait till it idled |
| 19:47.55 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: thats what it is printing |
| 19:48.07 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: it seems to be having trouble with some unavailable resource |
| 19:48.42 | EruditeH1rmit | Wyzard: EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 19:48.50 | EruditeH1rmit | keeps popping up |
| 19:48.51 | chinasky | hello, i´m with a sid system with no x windows and i want to see how goes gnome; the thing is: apt-get gnome: gnome depends rhythmbox (>= 0.10). how can i solve this? thanks |
| 19:48.54 | gribouille | btw, is kde 3.5.8 available ? |
| 19:49.13 | vsayikiran | whats the latest version of debian |
| 19:49.25 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: Those are attempts to read from file descriptor 3, whatever that might be... earlier in the output there'd be something revealing what that file descriptor is connected to |
| 19:49.30 | curtmack | well, I can't figure out bash script worth crap |
| 19:49.31 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: 4.0, etch |
| 19:49.35 | curtmack | !paste |
| 19:49.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 19:49.40 | Ronin | vsayikiran: depends what you mean, latest stable is etch 4.0r1 |
| 19:49.45 | abrotman | gribouille: apt-cache show kde .. see what it tells you |
| 19:50.00 | abrotman | !tell chinasky about install gnome |
| 19:50.00 | vsayikiran | how many versions does debian release in a year |
| 19:50.23 | Ronin | 0 |
| 19:50.24 | abrotman | vsayikiran: .4 |
| 19:50.27 | wols_ | vsayikiran: around one all 2-3 years |
| 19:50.33 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: Less than 1, on average, because the release cycle is longer than a year |
| 19:50.36 | vsayikiran | how can i find which gnome version i am using |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | right click on the panel and see About Gnome |
| 19:50.53 | wols_ | dpkg -l <package> |
| 19:50.54 | dpkg | ii <package> 1.6-15.2 wols_'s private stamp collection |
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| 19:51.33 | vsayikiran | abrotman: i only see About Panel |
| 19:51.45 | abrotman | so check that .. it'll be close enough |
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| 19:52.03 | vsayikiran | is there any command to find my gnome version |
| 19:52.04 | curtmack | http://pastebin.com/m164d4476 <-- that's uw-imapd.postrm |
| 19:52.29 | abrotman | vsayikiran: dpkg -l gnome |
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| 19:52.59 | maek | is it possible to see pkgs ordered by install date somehow? |
| 19:53.00 | abrotman | curtmack: you can put an exit 0 at the top if you want it to just exit |
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| 19:53.28 | Wyzard | yeah, but that's often not a good idea |
| 19:53.36 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: sorry, I crashed when running strace |
| 19:53.37 | curtmack | the strange thing is |
| 19:53.38 | Wyzard | becuase there may be some important cleanup that the script is supposed to do |
| 19:53.47 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: Your whole system crashed? |
| 19:53.49 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: let me try to get a good sample log for you |
| 19:53.52 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: yep |
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| 19:53.57 | curtmack | it doesn't look like there's a way this script can possibly exit with status 10 |
| 19:54.00 | vsayikiran | my gnome version is 2.14.3 |
| 19:54.05 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: I ran it a few times before that though |
| 19:54.12 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: it crashed the last time only |
| 19:54.12 | sparr | can anyone recommend a pager that can deal well with a large number of virtual desktops? |
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| 19:54.20 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: You might have some sort of bigger problem, then... nothing strace does should cause a crash |
| 19:54.32 | curtmack | unless one of the commands inside it does |
| 19:54.42 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: strace doesn't affect anything except the program you run under it, and all it does is print messages |
| 19:55.19 | Wyzard | curtmack: The way I generally debug these things is by running each command manually |
| 19:55.36 | curtmack | I'll try that then |
| 19:55.43 | vsayikiran | is it possible to write-protect a usb drive by a virus |
| 19:55.43 | Wyzard | curtmack: That way, at the point where the script would run into trouble, you run into trouble too, and can see what it is and fix it |
| 19:55.57 | abrotman | vsayikiran: in debian? |
| 19:56.20 | Wyzard | curtmack: and once you've run all the commands in the script, then you can safely put "exit 0" at the top of the script file and remove the package |
| 19:56.36 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: Other than setting the read-only bit (which you can easily turn off again), no |
| 19:56.47 | curtmack | besides, you have a virus in debian? |
| 19:56.48 | vsayikiran | abrotman: in winxp a virus has write-protected the usb drive, i dont know what to do |
| 19:56.57 | curtmack | ah |
| 19:57.02 | abrotman | vsayikiran: ask ##windows .. not a debian problem |
| 19:57.07 | curtmack | well first, get rid of the virus |
| 19:57.12 | curtmack | then yeah, ask in a windows channel |
| 19:57.20 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: it probably just froze because of the CPU usage |
| 19:57.39 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: I realised that it may not have fully crashed, just X locked up or was lagging |
| 19:57.58 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: High CPU usage can cause lag, but shouldn't cause a total lockup |
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| 19:58.01 | vsayikiran | curtmack: the problem is i am not able to delete virus form debian also |
| 19:58.17 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: perhaps I was impatient at restarting |
| 19:58.27 | curtmack | a windows virus won't be able to infect your Debian computer |
| 19:58.51 | curtmack | unless it's smarter than your average bear... |
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| 19:59.06 | Wyzard | vsayikiran: What happens when you try to delete it? |
| 19:59.08 | curtmack | which, if all it does is write-protect your usb drive, I don't think is an issue |
| 19:59.14 | vsayikiran | curtmack: i am not saying it has infected but it does not allow me to delete anything |
| 19:59.25 | curtmack | ah I see |
| 19:59.27 | moefoe | What is the name of the virus? |
| 19:59.52 | curtmack | wow, I just froze emacs |
| 19:59.54 | curtmack | that takes talent |
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| 20:01.01 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: when i delete everything (even from .Trash) it shows zero contents in pen drive, but after unpluging and remounting the pendrive i see that virus reappears |
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| 20:01.27 | vsayikiran | the name of virus according to mcafee is w32/yahlover |
| 20:01.30 | gribouille | hi |
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| 20:01.51 | gribouille | do I have to run synaptic as root ? |
| 20:01.55 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: this looks like it comes up a lot http://rafb.net/p/AU4po873.html |
| 20:02.28 | kwadronaut | gribouille: oui |
| 20:02.30 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: That's happening repeatedly? |
| 20:02.39 | cico | vsayikiran: what is the command you enter to delete it and what error message do you get, paste it in pastebin.com |
| 20:02.40 | vsayikiran | Wyzard: there is one virus file specific to windows like svchost.exe and new folder.exe and one .vbs script |
| 20:02.44 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: yep |
| 20:02.51 | gribouille | kwadronaut, I get Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 20:03.13 | kwadronaut | gribouille: that has todo with X |
| 20:03.18 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: It's normal for that to happen once, but it shouldn't result in "no such file or directory", and the applet shouldn't be trying it over and over again |
| 20:03.30 | cico | vsayikiran: we are not bothered about what virus it is. for us everything is data. if you want to talk about virus, go to #windows. if you want to talk about how to delete that data, paste your commands and error messages in pastebin.com |
| 20:03.42 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: so what is causing it? |
| 20:03.45 | kwadronaut | gribouille: gtg for food. sorry |
| 20:03.59 | abrotman | vsayikiran: go to ##windows .. your question has nothing to do with #debian |
| 20:04.07 | vsayikiran | cico: ok, i will give the link |
| 20:04.12 | gribouille | can someone tell me what I need to put in /etc/apt/sources.list to get packages from testing ? |
| 20:04.26 | Wyzard | EruditeH1rmit: Actually, I'm curious about the name "gtk-2.0-key" too... most of those directories should have a subdirectory called "gtk-2.0", but not "gtk-2.0-key" |
| 20:04.35 | vsayikiran | abrotman: but want to delete that file in debian |
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| 20:04.48 | abrotman | then the virus doesn't matter |
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| 20:05.09 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: brb |
| 20:05.14 | cico | vsayikiran: then please do not talk about viruses. ok you want to delete that file in Debian, give us the commands. |
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| 20:06.25 | \amethyst | vsayikiran: so you delete the files, then unmount, unplug, plug the drive back in to the debian machine, and remount, and the files are back? |
| 20:06.25 | robin_sz | vsayikiran: its not hard, cd <wherever your pen drive is>; rm <whatever the name of this file you dont like is> |
| 20:06.50 | robin_sz | bets even |
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| 20:08.05 | Spiritus55 | My flash player for iceweasel isn't working, even though I *just* installed the newest version.. I keep getting the message on webpages "Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. " |
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| 20:08.20 | Spiritus55 | Anyone know possibly what package I could be missing? |
| 20:08.30 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: does it show up in about:plugins ? |
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| 20:08.37 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: and how did you install the newest version? |
| 20:08.52 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst, I got the tar.gz and then ran the installer that came with it. |
| 20:09.00 | vsayikiran | \amethyst: yes that what i did |
| 20:09.04 | Nyle | Spiritus55: are you using 64bit debian? |
| 20:09.04 | Spiritus55 | The system wide installation that I tried was buggy, and didn't work.. |
| 20:09.15 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: that installer doesn't know about iceweasel probably |
| 20:09.18 | vsayikiran | cico: i will tell in detail just be patient |
| 20:09.25 | Nyle | Spiritus55: about:plugins has flash in it? |
| 20:09.27 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Use the flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 20:09.29 | JeffH | anyone here use ez-ipupdate? I've set it up to update my dyndns-custom account and it is setting the ip as 192.168.0.11 (which is my internal ip for my server ) |
| 20:09.31 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst, probably not.. but, what should I look for in about:plugins? |
| 20:09.39 | Nyle | something flash.so |
| 20:09.51 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: "Shockwave Flash" or libflashplayer.so |
| 20:10.04 | Spiritus55 | Yeah, it's the first thing on the list.. |
| 20:10.08 | Wyzard | JeffH: Check the "interface=" line in your config file |
| 20:10.18 | Wyzard | JeffH: You probably have it looking at the internal interface rather than the external one |
| 20:10.55 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: and what version does it say? |
| 20:11.14 | \amethyst | it should say just below the "File name", above the table |
| 20:11.15 | Spiritus55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.15 | Spiritus55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.33 | \amethyst | and does the table say "Yes" in the last column? |
| 20:11.50 | Spiritus55 | Yep |
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| 20:12.00 | \amethyst | Okay, so you do have the latest flash plugin |
| 20:12.06 | \amethyst | do you have javascript turned off? |
| 20:12.07 | vsayikiran | cico: now back to vlc, running vlc from shell gives me same error, after installing w32codecs i didnt get any benefit |
| 20:12.09 | JeffH | Wyzard: interface is eth1 which of course is 192.168.0.11 The problem is the external ip I need to set it to is not on this machine so I'm not sure how to tell it the external interface of my router. |
| 20:12.13 | Spiritus55 | Yeah... and no, javascript is turned on.. |
| 20:12.27 | \amethyst | what's a web site that gives you the error? |
| 20:12.39 | Spiritus55 | youtube |
| 20:12.40 | Wyzard | JeffH: ah... I don't think it can do that |
| 20:12.41 | Spiritus55 | myspace |
| 20:12.55 | unperson | Hi. I'm trying to build my initramfs image with update-initramfs, but I'm gettings the following warning: |
| 20:13.11 | Wyzard | JeffH: ez-ipupdate is supposed to run on the machine that actually has the external IP, so that it knows whenever the IP changes |
| 20:13.14 | unperson | W: mdadm: I am supposed to start /dev/md0 from the initial ramdisk, |
| 20:13.14 | unperson | W: mdadm: yet I cannot find the array in the configuration file. |
| 20:13.14 | unperson | W: mdadm: I am thus reverting to starting all arrays. |
| 20:13.33 | JeffH | Wyzard: fantastic! Is there any software that will do what I need? |
| 20:13.51 | Wyzard | unperson: You don't have an entry for /dev/md0 in your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 20:13.54 | unperson | My / partition is a RAID device using mdadm. |
| 20:14.09 | unperson | Wyzard: Correct. But my / partition is /dev/md1 |
| 20:14.39 | unperson | What I can't figure out is where is update-initramfs getting the idea that it needs to mount /dev/md0. |
| 20:14.41 | unperson | ? |
| 20:14.43 | Wyzard | unperson: then I don't know why it thinks it needs to start /dev/md0 from the initramfs, but you should have an entry for md0 in mdadm.conf anyway |
| 20:14.52 | curtmack | okay |
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| 20:15.09 | curtmack | it crashes on ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule" |
| 20:15.11 | Wyzard | JeffH: What, magically figure out an external IP address that it can't see? |
| 20:15.14 | curtmack | but I can't get an error message |
| 20:15.19 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard, when I tried installing nonfree-flash plugin, I got this: "Download done. |
| 20:15.19 | Spiritus55 | md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 20:15.19 | Spiritus55 | The Flash plugin is NOT installed." |
| 20:15.22 | curtmack | the error gets sent to /dev/stderr apparently |
| 20:15.26 | unperson | Wyzard: Yes, it's a long story. The short version is that / used to be at /dev/md0 but now it's at /dev/md1. Nothing is at /dev/md0 now. |
| 20:15.26 | curtmack | piping doesn't work |
| 20:15.47 | curtmack | and Konsole closes immediately after displaying the error |
| 20:15.57 | JeffH | Wyzard: so if I'm using a router that doesn't have built-in dyndns suppor then I'm fucked? |
| 20:16.17 | curtmack | any ideas for how to get that error message? |
| 20:16.41 | unperson | Wyzard: Should I make some sort of "empty" entry for /dev/md0 in mdadm.conf, signifying it does not exist? |
| 20:16.52 | Wyzard | JeffH: I think I saw a package once that would try to determine your external IP by loading some webpage that displays it, but you'd be on your own for hooking that into a dyndns update tool' |
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| 20:17.24 | Wyzard | unperson: nah, better to determine why it wants to activate /dev/md0 in the first place |
| 20:17.31 | JeffH | surely I'm not the only person who's ever had this setup.. |
| 20:17.33 | Wyzard | unperson: or, move your array to md0 instead of md1 |
| 20:17.49 | Wyzard | unperson: Maybe /etc/fstab still refers to md0? |
| 20:18.11 | unperson | Wyzard: Right. So, I don't know what else it would be looking at besides /etc/fstab and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 20:18.26 | Wyzard | unperson: You could strace it to find out |
| 20:18.48 | unperson | Wyzard: Well, fstab it refers to the disk by UUID. It does mention /dev/md0 in a line that is commented out. |
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| 20:19.38 | unperson | Wyzard: I see. Perhaps I'll look into that. I've not used strace before, but I can read up on it. |
| 20:20.25 | Wyzard | unperson: It shows you all the system calls that a program is performing, including things like open() that would indicate access to a file |
| 20:21.23 | unperson | Wyzard: To give a bit of background, the underlying problem is this: Before, my system was setup such that mdadm.conf assigned the RAID partition containing / to /dev/md0, but the info on the MD superblock identified it as /dev/md1. I wanted those to match, as discrepancies could cause headaches with automated update processes. |
| 20:21.26 | curtmack | any ideas at all? |
| 20:22.28 | unperson | Wyzard: I didn't know how to change the MD superblock, so I figured I could change mdadm.conf to assign the device as /dev/md1, then update initramfs and grub and everything would be consistent. |
| 20:22.32 | Wyzard | unperson: I think you can fix that by assembling it as md0 with the "--update=super-minor" option |
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| 20:23.07 | unperson | Wyzard: I see. Well, if that's that case, that would actually be the preferrable option. |
| 20:23.18 | unperson | Wyzard: I just hadn't been able to find any info on how to do it. |
| 20:24.36 | Wyzard | unperson: I've read "man mdadm" pretty thoroughly while doing some MD troubleshooting of my own in the past |
| 20:25.29 | unperson | Wyzard: Heh. Well, I think it'll pay off for me. Looking at the man page now and it seems you're exactly right. |
| 20:26.04 | curtmack | any ideas at all? |
| 20:26.21 | unperson | Wyzard: I think I'll give your idea a shot. It's actually preferable to what I was trying to do. |
| 20:26.33 | nvz | curtmack: you keep saying that |
| 20:26.37 | nvz | I have lots of ideas |
| 20:26.44 | nvz | but I have no idea what you are on about |
| 20:26.52 | curtmack | well |
| 20:27.00 | curtmack | I'm debugging this bash script |
| 20:27.10 | nvz | #bash? |
| 20:27.23 | curtmack | no |
| 20:27.24 | curtmack | sh script |
| 20:27.25 | curtmack | yeah |
| 20:27.34 | curtmack | anyway, it seems to be crashing on ". /usr/share/debconf/confmoule" |
| 20:27.36 | unperson | curtmack: You can't redirect sderr to a file? |
| 20:27.41 | Wyzard | curtmack: The "." command tells bash to evaluate all the commands in that file |
| 20:27.41 | curtmack | I tried that |
| 20:27.51 | abrotman | curtmack: put exit 0 at the top and just remove the package already |
| 20:27.55 | Wyzard | curtmack: in the current shell, not in a subshell like normally happens when running a script |
| 20:28.09 | Wyzard | abrotman: not without doing whatever cleanup the script is supposed to do |
| 20:28.35 | curtmack | well what should /usr/share/debconf/confmodule do when .ed? |
| 20:28.39 | Wyzard | curtmack: so you can just look at that file and start running those commands one-by-one too, like you're doing already |
| 20:28.42 | unperson | curtmack: Another trick to capture output ont the screen is to use the screen program. |
| 20:28.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'd just remove the damn thing :) |
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| 20:29.08 | unperson | curtmack: It has a screen logging function. It shouldn't really be necessary, but it will work and be simple. |
| 20:29.17 | Wyzard | curtmack: It looks like its main purpose is to define some functions, but it does some checks first, and may exec other programs |
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| 20:29.30 | Qantourisc | can i bash debian here ? |
| 20:29.55 | curtmack | are you having problems with debian? |
| 20:29.55 | Wyzard | Qantourisc: if you have a legitimate problem we may be able to help, but trolling is unwelcome |
| 20:30.23 | Qantourisc | hmmm where is the line between trolling and habing a problem ? |
| 20:30.44 | Guerin | Qantourisc: where we decide it is. |
| 20:30.50 | streuner | you already hit the line |
| 20:31.28 | Guerin | Qantourisc: criticism is ok. `bash' connotes meaningless complaint. |
| 20:31.52 | Qantourisc | ok i'll put it into a legitimate problem instead of trolling: "Is there an easy way to install the nvidia-closed-source drivers? Or do I have to follow this maze ? (From command line)" |
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| 20:32.10 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:32.10 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 20:32.12 | curtmack | unperson: how do I redirect stderr to a file again? |
| 20:32.16 | Wyzard | curtmack: Something else you might try: before you start running the commands from the script, run "bash" in your terminal window |
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| 20:32.24 | Guerin | Qantourisc: the nvidia one-liner represents the easiest possible way permittd by evil nvidia corp. |
| 20:32.31 | curtmack | yeah, that makes sense |
| 20:32.34 | curtmack | I'll do that |
| 20:32.39 | Wyzard | curtmack: That way you're running a subshell, and when the debconf script makes it exit, it just exits back to the "real" shell in your terminal window, rather than closing the window entirely |
| 20:32.43 | Qantourisc | permitted .... then gentoo is braking there licence ? ouch :) |
| 20:32.53 | Qantourisc | serious 1liner though :) |
| 20:33.22 | Guerin | Qantourisc: gentoo's probably doesn't handle upgrades, and will kill the x server every time you install a new kernel |
| 20:33.26 | unperson | curtmack: I don't remember actually. I don't do much shell hacking, so I always have to google it. |
| 20:33.26 | maek | Qantourisc: try this http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html |
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| 20:33.34 | Qantourisc | Guerin: it does |
| 20:33.39 | Guerin | Qantourisc: in debian terms `easy' means `gives me least problems from here on out' |
| 20:33.40 | Qantourisc | Guerin: (kill it) |
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| 20:33.49 | Qantourisc | o see |
| 20:33.55 | Guerin | Qantourisc: yes, that's the purpose of the one-liner. |
| 20:34.22 | cdleonard | I don't get any reponse from localhost or 127.0.0.1 No ping, ssh, http |
| 20:34.30 | cdleonard | What could cause that? |
| 20:34.38 | Wyzard | cdleonard: iptables perhaps |
| 20:34.44 | Guerin | cdleonard: badly-configured firewall, loopback device not up. Etc. |
| 20:34.44 | unperson | curtmack: It's some thing like &2>, but I really don't recall. |
| 20:34.47 | Wyzard | cdleonard: or your loopback interface is down for some reason |
| 20:34.52 | Guerin | unperson: 2>&1 |
| 20:34.53 | kwadronaut | curtmack: 2> filename |
| 20:35.00 | cdleonard | ifup lo |
| 20:35.08 | kwadronaut | Guerin: that's when you want both standard output and error to same place |
| 20:35.08 | Guerin | oh, you just want stderr |
| 20:35.17 | unperson | Guerin: That's redirect stderr to stdout, I think. |
| 20:35.18 | Guerin | yeh, missed that particular boat |
| 20:35.21 | cdleonard | thanks a lot Guerin |
| 20:35.39 | Guerin | cdleonard: did that work? |
| 20:35.47 | cdleonard | yes |
| 20:36.01 | cdleonard | I spent a lot of time on this |
| 20:36.05 | Guerin | cdleonard: make it permanent. No loopback can cause a whole host of very subtle errors. |
| 20:36.33 | cdleonard | auto eth0 lo in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:36.58 | Wyzard | hmm, I don't know if "auto" supports listing multiple interfaces on the same line |
| 20:37.03 | Wyzard | Split that into separate "auto lo" and "auto eth0" |
| 20:37.07 | cdleonard | I don't know what happened |
| 20:37.31 | cdleonard | man interfaces; first sample line |
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| 20:37.47 | Wyzard | hmm, interesting |
| 20:37.53 | Wyzard | I've never seen it actually done that way |
| 20:38.01 | Qantourisc | Guerin: right now i see the issue you need to "build" the driver against a kernel ... |
| 20:38.12 | bld^ | Wyzard: auto should allow both |
| 20:38.22 | Guerin | Qantourisc: iyes. Because nvidia are evil. |
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| 20:38.54 | cdleonard | oh well. thanks again |
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| 20:39.05 | mythomaniac | Qantourisc: or you could just install the linux headers and then d/l the nvidia binary, fhit ctrl+alt+f1 log in as root and do /etc/init.d/gdm stop and cd to the dir you the nvidia binary and go sh N*.* and follow the prompts (this is assuming you also installed build-essentials) ;) |
| 20:40.28 | abrotman | mythomaniac: that'd be stupid |
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| 20:40.47 | Qantourisc | whoot success :) |
| 20:40.50 | mythomaniac | abrotman: why - because the nvidia binary isnt open source? |
| 20:41.12 | abrotman | no .. because it would screwup every time your kernel or X got upgraded |
| 20:41.46 | Wyzard | or the Mesa packages |
| 20:42.38 | mythomaniac | abrotman: that is true, but if you hae the binary on hand its jsut as simple as logging into term as root cd to the dir where the binary is and doing sh N*.* |
| 20:43.00 | mythomaniac | abrotman: i dont see a problem myself |
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| 20:43.19 | abrotman | mythomaniac: good for you .. don't recommend it to others when there's a better way |
| 20:43.29 | Wyzard | but why would you have the binary on hand when it shouldn't be used with Debian, and the Debian packages are fairly easy to install too? |
| 20:43.55 | mythomaniac | abrotman: you version of better may not be every bodies version of better, get down from you cloud |
| 20:44.15 | abrotman | mythomaniac: do it your way for your shit .. don't break someone else's machine .. |
| 20:44.22 | Guerin | which is the last radeon supported in 3d by the free drivers |
| 20:44.23 | Guerin | ? |
| 20:44.25 | Guerin | 9250? |
| 20:44.36 | abrotman | he was given a way that works perfectly fine .. |
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| 20:44.41 | Azar | free drivers ? hahahaha |
| 20:44.47 | mythomaniac | abrotman: its about choices ass not being dictated to ;) |
| 20:44.47 | abrotman | Azar: man radeon |
| 20:44.53 | Guerin | Azar: no, really. |
| 20:44.55 | Azar | hello mister abrotman |
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| 20:45.11 | abrotman | mythomaniac: so you're breaking his machine .. and we're not .. a lot of help you are .. |
| 20:45.14 | Azar | Guerin: as far as I know at best free is only for 2D |
| 20:45.20 | abrotman | Azar: you'd be wrong |
| 20:45.24 | Guerin | Azar: you don't know enough to comment, then. |
| 20:45.34 | Azar | ah, ok my bad honorables |
| 20:45.34 | pumpkin0 | Azar: i'm running compiz in 3D mode on free radeon drivers right now. |
| 20:45.42 | Guerin | there is 3d in fre softwware - it's just several years behind the proprietary stuff |
| 20:45.44 | Wyzard | Azar: That's true for nVidia, not ATI |
| 20:45.52 | abrotman | Guerin: i think the r300 in xorg7 goes higher |
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| 20:46.00 | mythomaniac | abrotman: rarely has a kernel upgrade broken the nvidia drivers, shows how much you know about stable line of debian |
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| 20:46.05 | abrotman | mythomaniac: you're wrong .. drop it |
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| 20:46.14 | Azar | Wyzard: I thought ATI is on same bucket with nVidia... my bad |
| 20:46.26 | Wyzard | Azar: *older* ATI cards have free 3D support |
| 20:46.30 | Guerin | Azar: hell no. They're mortal enemies. |
| 20:46.45 | ma3x | what package is to run time server? |
| 20:46.45 | Azar | mythomaniac: abrotman knows Debian 10 years more than you |
| 20:46.48 | abrotman | Guerin: i think he meant in the way the drivers work |
| 20:46.52 | Guerin | oh. |
| 20:46.53 | abrotman | ma3x: ntpd |
| 20:46.58 | ma3x | thanks |
| 20:47.03 | abrotman | or ntp-server |
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| 20:47.17 | mythomaniac | Azar: perhaps that is why he comes off as a dictator ;) |
| 20:47.17 | ma3x | can i restrict access to hosts? |
| 20:47.28 | abrotman | ma3x: iptables is one way |
| 20:47.37 | Wyzard | mythomaniac: Stop being belligerent |
| 20:47.39 | Azar | mythomaniac: is just an illusion of newbies |
| 20:47.53 | mythomaniac | Wyzard: LOL k? |
| 20:47.54 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:48.03 | ma3x | abrotman, ntpd package doesnt exist |
| 20:48.23 | Wyzard | mythomaniac: nVidia's script installer generally "works" in the sense that you can run it and get 3D, but there are problems that it's known to cause, and Debian's packages are designed to avoid those problems |
| 20:48.25 | abrotman | ma3x: i said "or ntp-server" .. apt-cache search ntp daemon |
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| 20:49.26 | Mitja | Hi. I copied / to another partition and cannot login anymore kde login dialog says it cannot write to the user's authorization file. Is there any way to "repair" the user? |
| 20:49.35 | streuner | abrotman, Guerin, Azar: http://195.228.45.114:8050 |
| 20:49.46 | Azar | mythomaniac: as new as you are at Debian you should know that the nVidia driver installed "the Debian way" avoids some complications when upgrade is done. As opposed to the nVidia installer from nVidia site |
| 20:49.51 | kwadronaut | Mitja: boot in init 3 |
| 20:49.52 | Wyzard | Mitja: What command-line options did you use when copying? |
| 20:49.55 | streuner | abrotman, Guerin, Azar: i saw them in Wilhelmshaven ;-) |
| 20:50.11 | curtmack | ho |
| 20:50.12 | curtmack | ly |
| 20:50.13 | curtmack | hell |
| 20:50.14 | DawnLight | ati seem to be going open source short while after i've purchased a geforce. oh well, it was a used one. |
| 20:50.16 | DawnLight | it won't be long until nvidia will do the same and then the rest of the world! |
| 20:50.17 | curtmack | okay |
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| 20:50.21 | streuner | Azar: nah, listen :-) |
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| 20:50.51 | mythomaniac | Azar: yes there are some problems but they can be worked around by installing them again - i guess i dont have a problem with that |
| 20:50.52 | Wyzard | Mitja: If your copy didn't preserve ownership, permissions, and device files, it's probably no good |
| 20:50.55 | MajorPoopyPants | when im looking at /proc/cpuinfo, if I have two logical processors do I add the bogomips together of both cpu's to get my total bogomips? |
| 20:50.58 | Mitja | Wyzard: I used tar -pcvvf <container> <partition> |
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| 20:51.11 | Azar | streuner: hahahahaha! |
| 20:51.29 | Mitja | Wyzard: device files seem ok, since partitions are mounted ... |
| 20:51.35 | abrotman | MajorPoopyPants: it's a dual core machine .. |
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| 20:51.39 | curtmack | so /usr/share/debconf/confmodule calls up /usr/share/perl5/ConfModule.pm somewhere |
| 20:51.39 | Wyzard | Mitja: Use "cp -a" |
| 20:51.43 | curtmack | I can't even see where |
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| 20:51.51 | Mitja | Wyzard: what about dd ? |
| 20:51.55 | MajorPoopyPants | abrotman, an HT processor |
| 20:51.56 | Azar | mythomaniac: ok long story short: this is a Debian help channel, for people who need help. You do not seem to need help as you know better than everyone. So what is your question again? |
| 20:51.58 | ma3x | abrotman, why the heck is ntp-server syncing my time with the world time? I want it to read from local time and serve to other users |
| 20:52.15 | abrotman | ma3x: that's what it is supposed to do |
| 20:52.28 | curtmack | then /usr/share/perl5/ConfModule.pm calls up /usr/share/Perl/5.8/Open3.pm |
| 20:52.35 | ma3x | abrotman, well i want to run a server, you understand? |
| 20:52.37 | curtmack | and there's some sort of Permission Denied error in there |
| 20:52.40 | curtmack | on line 168 |
| 20:52.44 | curtmack | ...I AM LOST |
| 20:52.45 | mythomaniac | Azar: i never stated i know better then everyone, please stop putting words in my mouth; also i do need help from time-to-time ;) |
| 20:52.45 | Mitja | Wyzard: ok, thanks, will try with cp -a. |
| 20:52.50 | Wyzard | Mitja: Oh, you copied the whole raw partition, not files from a mounted filesystem? |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | ma3x: yes .. but your server has to sync somewhere |
| 20:52.55 | ma3x | abrotman, that doesnt read from internet servers but from local machine time |
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| 20:53.01 | ma3x | from my machine |
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| 20:53.19 | Mitja | Wyzard: no, I used tar, I'm asking for the future, what would it do if I used dd? |
| 20:53.24 | Mitja | Is it a good idea? |
| 20:53.30 | Azar | mythomaniac: as long as you not only disregard the helpers advices, but you claim they don't know better than you, that is exactly what comes out of your mouth |
| 20:53.47 | torgrimt | Mitja: find | cpio is also nice |
| 20:54.00 | Wyzard | Mitja: Copying a raw partition is safe only if the destination partition is at least as big as the source partition |
| 20:54.17 | Wyzard | Mitja: (and if it's bigger, you have to use a filesystem resizer afterward to gain access to the additional space) |
| 20:54.18 | mythomaniac | Azar: your perception of a claim is wrong - all i stated is that I dont see a problem with using the nvidia binary - again putting words in my mouth! |
| 20:54.22 | Guerin | Mitja: dd would create an identical bitwise copy, including all the empty space. You probably don't wwant that unless you're creating an image for easy restoration |
| 20:54.24 | Mitja | Wyzard: it is the exact same size |
| 20:54.32 | Wyzard | Mitja: then that's fine |
| 20:54.36 | Guerin | tar or cp/rsync is almost always a better option |
| 20:55.00 | Wyzard | Mitja: and there's no need for "-a" when doing that; I thought you were talking about copying the whole tree of files from a mounted filesystem |
| 20:55.08 | Mitja | Guerin: yeah, but tar -pcvvf didn't seem to work |
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| 20:55.38 | Azar | < mythomaniac> abrotman: rarely has a kernel upgrade broken the nvidia drivers, shows how much you know about stable line of debian <<< abrotman is one of the most experienced helpers in Debian |
| 20:55.42 | Mitja | Wyzard: so I should use cp -a if mounted? |
| 20:55.59 | Wyzard | Mitja: yes, because you have to preserve all the ownerships and permissions and such |
| 20:56.04 | Guerin | Mitja: no reason it shouldn't, although if you're tarring to a locally mounted medium, you need to --exclude that mount point, else you get recursion hell |
| 20:56.10 | Mitja | Does cp work with /dev, unmounted? |
| 20:56.19 | mythomaniac | Azar: that might be but that statement is true - rarely have a seen them break from upgrade of the kernel on stable debian |
| 20:57.12 | Wyzard | mythomaniac: Aside from the fact that you need to build modules for the new kernel (and that's true with either installer), I agree |
| 20:57.13 | Azar | how many kernel upgrades you did so far? |
| 20:57.28 | abrotman | gone on way too long ;) |
| 20:57.30 | mythomaniac | Azar: and it was a quip from is dictator-ish style of demading which is right - there is no right when one has choices of more then one |
| 20:57.37 | Qantourisc | wow i'm impressed |
| 20:57.40 | Azar | abrotman: ok I will stop. |
| 20:57.41 | Wyzard | mythomaniac: My main concern is that it replaces libraries that are managed by dpkg, without informing dpkg that it's doing so |
| 20:57.49 | Qantourisc | debian checks for files i modified before he overwrite them ! |
| 20:58.00 | abrotman | Qantourisc: yeah .. nice of debian eh? :) |
| 20:58.07 | Qantourisc | jip :) |
| 20:58.09 | Wyzard | mythomaniac: so, for example, when you upgrade the xlibmesa-gl package (IIRC), it overwrites the nVidia libraries with the Mesa ones |
| 20:58.34 | Wyzard | mythomaniac: The packaged nVidia driver does a dpkg "diversion" of the Mesa libraries, so that doesn't happen |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman | overrated! |
| 20:58.55 | Azar | :) |
| 20:59.10 | curtmack | hmm |
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| 20:59.16 | curtmack | what does $@ mean? |
| 20:59.24 | abrotman | curtmack: man bash |
| 20:59.34 | curtmack | k |
| 20:59.57 | Wyzard | mythomaniac: Sure, you can "fix" the problem in the first case by running the installer script again, which will overwrite the Mesa libraries again, but you'd be hard-pressed to say that's a better solution than avoiding the problem in the first place |
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| 21:00.02 | Azar | a snapshot of a system alert "a la newbie" http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200710/error'd/panic.jpg |
| 21:00.04 | beardy | !absg curtmack |
| 21:00.04 | dpkg | curtmack: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
| 21:00.05 | Qantourisc | are there rumors of nvidia-drivers + new nvidia card (shader 3+) are unstable ? |
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| 21:00.26 | Azar | ahhh mister beardy, what a honor seeing you around! |
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| 21:00.44 | Wyzard | Qantourisc: Initially when the 8xxx-series cards were released, the only driver that supported them was a beta |
| 21:00.59 | curtmack | I'm looking back at uw-imapd.postrm |
| 21:01.01 | Qantourisc | yea ... now they still feel like beta :) |
| 21:01.06 | mythomaniac | Wyzard: that depends one one's perception of performance between the two options ;) |
| 21:01.07 | curtmack | and I think I see what it's trying to do |
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| 21:01.46 | curtmack | and I bet there's a way to do it without going through /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
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| 21:02.07 | Azar | function DoNothing() { } < nice one too |
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| 21:03.09 | Supaplex | I wonder how I enable an ext3fs for onlineresize when it has none. humm |
| 21:03.46 | Azar | I guess nVidia will follow suit when ATI will have revenue increases due to their help with free drivers.. |
| 21:03.58 | Azar | ... 10 years from now... |
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| 21:04.02 | mythomaniac | lol |
| 21:04.04 | wols_ | Azar: whatever you smoke, it's good! |
| 21:04.10 | Qantourisc | (but they should get there drivers stable !!!) |
| 21:04.12 | Wyzard | Supaplex: I haven't heard of online resizability being an option that has to be "enabled" |
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| 21:04.25 | Azar | heh wols_ I am euphoric because I just off work |
| 21:07.04 | kwadronaut | Wyzard: it's a file. touch /proc/'cat /var/run/window.pid'/resizability |
| 21:08.56 | Wyzard | kwadronaut: Supaplex was talking about an ext3 filesystem, not a window manager |
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| 21:10.14 | vvd | which file allows us to set if kernel messages go to the terminal again? |
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| 21:10.52 | Wyzard | vvd: The '-n' option of dmesg |
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| 21:12.09 | Supaplex | yay me. humm... www:~# nice resize2fs /dev/hda7 30G \n resize2fs 1.37 (21-Mar-2005) \n /dev/hda7 is mounted; can't resize a mounted filesystem! |
| 21:12.26 | vvd | i get kernel log messages in the terminal. i enabled that a while back in some file but its getting annoying |
| 21:12.35 | Wyzard | Supaplex: hmm... it's not a filesystem option in the superblock at least; maybe a kernel config option? |
| 21:12.37 | Supaplex | i've done it on other ext3fs, but afaik it's a feature option or something at mkfs time. |
| 21:12.48 | Supaplex | ohhh... maybe |
| 21:13.16 | Wyzard | Supaplex: "tune2fs -l" on one of my filsystems doesn't show anything on the "filesystem features" line that pertains to online resizability |
| 21:13.28 | Wyzard | Supaplex: (the "resize_inode" flag is something unrelated) |
| 21:13.35 | Supaplex | come to think of it, it's a sarge box. |
| 21:13.43 | Wyzard | ah, that'd explain it |
| 21:13.46 | Wyzard | Older kernels couldn't do it |
| 21:14.23 | Wyzard | 2.6.8 maybe, but definitely not 2.6.23 or whatever it was that sarge installed by default |
| 21:14.24 | Supaplex | I guess I'll fireup the rsync train (remotely managed servers. psssh.) |
| 21:14.41 | Supaplex | it's 2.4 :P |
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| 21:15.16 | Supaplex | I'm suppose to have an upgraded box to but the lackies at the datacenter cannot install etch. |
| 21:15.37 | Wyzard | What, they don't know how? |
| 21:15.57 | Supaplex | I guess not |
| 21:16.08 | Supaplex | I need to cattle prod them again and figure out wtf |
| 21:16.15 | Wyzard | sounds like maybe you need a better hosting company |
| 21:16.33 | Supaplex | yes, that would help. :) |
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| 21:21.33 | unperson | Wyzard, Thanks for your advice. It seems to have worked out great. |
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| 21:25.12 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: so any ideas? |
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| 21:33.01 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:33.01 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 21:40.33 | rmaj | so.. my screensaver (2 years old btw) is crashing (even when not running AFAIK - the deamon crashes) in debian testing; How to have a working screen saver (even blank one would be ok, I need it for locking X console) in debian testing? |
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| 21:45.18 | EruditeHermit | Wyzard: removing .gtkrc made it stop sucking CPU when I close the application now. However, I can't change anything as it uses 100% CPU while open and leaves the window unable to change anything. |
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| 21:48.13 | CalJohn | if I want to remove a repository, but I also want to remove all packages from that repository. how do i do this? |
| 21:48.36 | proog | i'm trying to install proftpd in debian etch, but when i tell it to run as a standalone server, it gives me errors. can anyone help? |
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| 21:50.34 | ix | why are there no vlc packages in the testing repository? |
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| 21:52.16 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 21:52.16 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 21:53.50 | Supaplex | abrotman: I like 'just because' ;) |
| 21:54.22 | abrotman | ix: cause it's testing you weenie! |
| 21:54.41 | stopher | Hello all- I can't get X graphical interface to start on a dell desktop debian v.4 downloaded in july 2007. Any tips and tricks to get this running? Text-mode works works just fine. |
| 21:54.47 | abrotman | Supaplex: is that better? |
| 21:54.59 | abrotman | stopher: what's your video card? |
| 21:55.09 | ix | abrotman: why is it included in stable, then? |
| 21:55.09 | ix | :p |
| 21:55.19 | stopher | lspci should show, correct? |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | ix: because it was able to be included ... |
| 21:55.23 | abrotman | stopher: yes |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | ix: see above what the bot said |
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| 21:58.42 | ix | abrotman: sorry, missed that :) |
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| 21:58.53 | stopher | abrotman: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 01) |
| 21:58.59 | abrotman | jesus |
| 21:59.12 | abrotman | stopher: which video driver did you pick ? |
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| 21:59.23 | simonrvn | jesus left already |
| 21:59.40 | albertmk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.57 | stopher | abrotman: it didn't give me an option, just asked what system type i wanted to install...in text mode-installer |
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| 22:00.09 | abrotman | stopher: oh ..y ou didn't install X yet? |
| 22:00.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:00.24 | Azar | 20GB... hmmm Iguess would fit |
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| 22:00.46 | stopher | abrotman: It asked if I wanted to install a graphical interface i said yes- it said x failed to start on boot |
| 22:01.00 | Azar | how much would be a full Desktop Etch? in GB? |
| 22:01.03 | abrotman | stopher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:01.10 | abrotman | Azar: depends on your desktop and associated bits |
| 22:01.49 | Azar | abrotman: albertmk is asking if he can get Etch (I guess ) on his old PC with 20GB space on HD |
| 22:01.54 | stopher | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command not found |
| 22:01.59 | abrotman | are you root ? |
| 22:02.03 | simonrvn | as root |
| 22:02.04 | stopher | shoot...haha no |
| 22:02.14 | abrotman | and i think you want tdfx |
| 22:02.48 | stopher | abrotman: tdfx? |
| 22:02.55 | abrotman | Three D FX |
| 22:03.00 | stopher | thanks :) |
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| 22:03.46 | simonrvn | i'm sure albertmk can |
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| 22:04.09 | abrotman | simonrvn: ? |
| 22:04.22 | stopher | what command do i use to attempt to boot into x again...or for better words---start x |
| 22:04.29 | Azar | abrotman: re up ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:04.31 | abrotman | stopher: gnome? kde? |
| 22:04.41 | stopher | kde? |
| 22:04.46 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 22:04.59 | stopher | no such file/directory |
| 22:05.03 | abrotman | gdm ? |
| 22:05.04 | abrotman | xdm? |
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| 22:05.06 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:05.16 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 22:05.16 | stopher | gdm |
| 22:05.21 | stopher | and it's starting!!! |
| 22:05.22 | Azar | simonrvn: I am confused about full desktop size in Etch since my SArge without desktop and all other applications takes no more than 2.8GB |
| 22:05.25 | stopher | you're a life saver abrotman |
| 22:05.30 | stopher | +2000 points for you :D |
| 22:05.33 | abrotman | does X work ? |
| 22:05.37 | simonrvn | etch is about the same, maybe a bit more |
| 22:05.40 | stopher | yep it works |
| 22:05.57 | Azar | simonrvn: and a desktop add-on makes it huge comparing with non-desktop |
| 22:06.06 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 22:06.20 | abrotman | how the hell do you get a sarge 'no-desktop' system to 2.8GB ? |
| 22:06.35 | abrotman | that's like every non-X related package |
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| 22:07.12 | Azar | hmmm abrotman can you please give me that command that shows % on my HD? |
| 22:08.02 | abrotman | df -h |
| 22:08.45 | Azar | /dev/hda2 110G 2.2G 102G 3% / << 2.2G is the used portion |
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| 22:10.12 | Azar | sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel, with X only, openbox, open office, games, xmms, gkrellm, firefox. No mail. |
| 22:10.15 | limpio | anybody knows how to move a screen to a different workspace in ratpoison? |
| 22:10.24 | dalias | hey i need some help |
| 22:10.42 | abrotman | dalias: use the BIOS |
| 22:10.45 | dalias | i'm trying to upgrade an older debian system from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel |
| 22:10.50 | abrotman | with sata ? |
| 22:10.53 | dalias | no |
| 22:11.05 | Azar | HD 110GB, used 3% of it |
| 22:11.06 | dalias | wrong tab complete? |
| 22:11.12 | dalias | anyway |
| 22:11.18 | Azar | so was I bragging wrong, abrotman? |
| 22:11.27 | dalias | i'm trying to upgrade it to latest sid (it was running old sid) |
| 22:11.43 | dalias | and i can't upgrade libc6 without having a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:11.58 | dalias | but i can't upgrade the kernel without having initramfs/module tools that depend on libc6 |
| 22:12.03 | abrotman | dalias: upgrade to etch .. then sid |
| 22:12.06 | dalias | how to solve thsi circular dependency? |
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| 22:12.30 | dalias | hm. but for some packages etch might be a downgrade |
| 22:12.35 | dalias | i'm worried it could make problems |
| 22:12.37 | Azar | abrotman: can he up to etch with a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 22:13.04 | abrotman | the old libc6 can't run the newer kernels |
| 22:13.11 | stopher | thanks again abrotman |
| 22:13.14 | abrotman | dalias: try etch |
| 22:13.19 | abrotman | stopher: have a great day! |
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| 22:18.36 | dalias | abrotman, is there a way to just force the install of libc6 upgrade? |
| 22:18.45 | abrotman | don't think so .. do the etch thing |
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| 22:18.50 | dalias | abrotman, i don't care if threaded programs crash in the meantime until i upgrade the kernel |
| 22:19.14 | dalias | i tried adding etch sources and adding -t etch |
| 22:19.15 | abrotman | what happens when you try to upgrade to etch ? |
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| 22:19.38 | abrotman | no .. comment out everything except the etch sources .. do a dist-upgrade including installing a new kernel |
| 22:19.39 | dalias | apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6-... |
| 22:19.57 | dalias | are you sure that's safe? |
| 22:20.09 | dalias | what if some packages are newer than the versions in etch already? |
| 22:20.25 | Vasistha | well, it's usually safe, but you should probably read the release notes. Have you been using backports? |
| 22:20.41 | Vasistha | ...or rolling your own? |
| 22:20.43 | dalias | forcing the libc6 install would be a lot safer (can't actually break anything critical) if there's a way to do it |
| 22:20.56 | dalias | vasistha, the box is already running sid |
| 22:21.02 | dalias | but not upgraded in a while |
| 22:21.11 | dalias | (a long while) |
| 22:21.44 | abrotman | dalias: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 22:22.18 | abrotman | or run /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 22:22.44 | dalias | 2.3.6.ds1-5 |
| 22:22.49 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
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| 22:22.53 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
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| 22:23.01 | abrotman | yeah .. i'd go to etch first :) |
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| 22:27.20 | dalias | okay i think i managed to fix the dep breakage so that i can install the etch libc6 and kernel without having to install loads of other stuff |
| 22:28.09 | simonrvn | !do the old sid dance |
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| 22:30.51 | abrotman | dalias: see .. i'm not a total moron! |
| 22:31.03 | dalias | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 is 404 |
| 22:31.07 | dalias | wtf |
| 22:31.24 | holycow | hey guys, anyone use an external 56k modem with debian by chance? was curious if there are any recommended models |
| 22:31.27 | dalias | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb |
| 22:31.30 | nvz | dalias: apt-get update |
| 22:31.35 | dalias | update does nothing |
| 22:31.36 | nvz | its -5- now |
| 22:31.42 | dalias | weird |
| 22:31.55 | dalias | okay |
| 22:31.56 | dalias | got it |
| 22:31.58 | abrotman | your mirror could be .. six months out of date |
| 22:32.03 | nvz | !info linux-image-2.6.8-5-686 |
| 22:32.13 | abrotman | .18 |
| 22:32.17 | abrotman | and etch |
| 22:32.21 | nvz | !info linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 etch |
| 22:32.24 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686: (Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 15935 kB, Installed size: 46856 kB |
| 22:32.25 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 etch |
| 22:32.27 | abrotman | bah |
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| 22:33.01 | dalias | i think it was just pebkac error |
| 22:33.12 | nvz | blah just realized this wallmount cabinet is too small |
| 22:33.24 | nvz | who the hell needs a cabinet anyhow.. |
| 22:33.43 | simonrvn | *rip* |
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| 22:33.46 | nvz | shelves, cabinet.. same diference |
| 22:33.58 | docsnuggles | Hi. Does anyone got streamtuner runnng with live365? |
| 22:34.19 | nvz | I've never heard of a streamtuner or live365 |
| 22:34.29 | nvz | care yo ask a question someone can undertand? |
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| 22:35.14 | holycow | i run streamtuner |
| 22:35.19 | abrotman | nvz: pot? kettle? :) |
| 22:35.28 | holycow | its pretty cool aggregator for things like shoutcast |
| 22:35.32 | streuner | dpkg, hakasmite $1 is <action> puts $1 into a world of hurtin' and dance the Haka around $1 |
| 22:35.32 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 22:36.26 | docsnuggles | holycow: streamtuner works well, but cannot handle streams from live365. Or am I wong? |
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| 22:36.53 | holycow | no you are correct |
| 22:37.06 | holycow | basically it hasn't been updated in ages |
| 22:37.17 | holycow | you may wish to look at the code and try to learn python |
| 22:37.28 | docsnuggles | yes last update was a patch in 2005 |
| 22:37.28 | holycow | it would be worthwhile to give it an update here or there |
| 22:37.43 | holycow | i've been meaning to my self for ages but i just don't have time |
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| 22:38.10 | jakub_ | hello |
| 22:38.14 | jakub_ | i have problem please can anyoe help me ? |
| 22:38.24 | jakub_ | if i choose as decorator KWIN |
| 22:38.27 | holycow | sure just ask |
| 22:38.34 | jakub_ | the up bar where is moving and sliding with the window |
| 22:38.37 | jakub_ | doesnt work |
| 22:38.40 | holycow | oh try #kde for that question |
| 22:38.46 | holycow | thats not a debian question, its a kde question |
| 22:38.46 | jakub_ | hmm okay |
| 22:38.52 | holycow | yeah, no worries |
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| 22:43.02 | simonrvn | @ff nvz |
| 22:43.03 | ravenbird | nvz: fartfish |
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| 22:49.10 | g3brown | I have Debian 4.0 running on an intel motherboard. With one SATA running on the motherboard it is SDA. When I install a 3ware RAID controller the boot drive becomes SDB and therefore the fstab is incorrect. I'm guessing this is a hardware issue, but was wondering if there was work around with linux. |
| 22:50.07 | wols_ | load the intel chipset driver first, then the 3ware one |
| 22:50.16 | wols_ | that should make the intel one stay sda |
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| 22:50.59 | simonrvn | s,SDA,sda, ,SDB,sdb,; that, in some way or another, or just edit fstab, using UUID=, LABEL=, or outright change sda to sdb |
| 22:50.59 | plundra | Any suggestion on a prebuilt pxe-bootable live-thingy, that comes with modern tools (lvm/dmcrypt/whatever for example) and most importantly, deboostrap? |
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| 22:52.07 | plundra | s/live-thingy/environment/ perhaps :] |
| 22:52.10 | Vasistha | plundra: I'm not sure if it has all the stuff you need, but I like Timo's Rescue CD |
| 22:52.25 | Suprano | where can i set my PATH variable the way that it survives a reboot? |
| 22:52.30 | plundra | Vasistha: Ok, will check that out. |
| 22:52.42 | g3brown | wols_: how do I reorder the loading of the drivers? |
| 22:52.43 | plundra | Vasistha: I kind of like RIP, but it lacks some stuff. |
| 22:53.02 | wols_ | g3brown: custom kernel, module blacklisting, etc |
| 22:53.10 | g3brown | wols_: ugg |
| 22:53.10 | Suprano | actually its the LD_LIBRARY_DIRECTORY or similar |
| 22:53.13 | Vasistha | Suprano: !tell Suprano about dotfiles |
| 22:53.27 | Vasistha | erm, oops |
| 22:53.31 | Vasistha | !tell Suprano about dotfiles |
| 22:53.48 | plundra | Vasistha: Hmm, that timo-thing seem to be old as hell I'm afraid. |
| 22:54.01 | Suprano | ty |
| 22:54.11 | Vasistha | plundra: it may be, I discovered it a couple years ago and just burned it once, haven't needed anything more advanced since then :P |
| 22:54.33 | Suprano | hmm there is no sytem intern way ? |
| 22:54.58 | Vasistha | Suprano: huh? what do you mean? |
| 22:56.35 | g3brown | This isn't the first time I run into this type of problem. The last time was with a removable USB drive for backup. When the drive it would reorder the other drives in the system. Should be a way to control that without haven't to mess with drivers. |
| 22:56.49 | wols_ | g3brown: udev possibly |
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| 22:56.59 | wols_ | or mounting by UUID or label |
| 22:57.26 | sayers | So , I'm rocking out with my debian server but is there a way I could set up a web-calander on it so I can have a web-calander for me and family? |
| 22:57.36 | wiebel | hi there, i need help, my keyboard settings in X is broken |
| 22:58.11 | wols_ | wiebel: going out on a limb: sid |
| 22:58.16 | g3brown | wols_: I tried the label thing back with the USB problem. It didn't help, can't remember exactly why. |
| 22:58.31 | wiebel | wols_, is that a known problem in sid_ |
| 22:58.42 | wols_ | wiebel: learn to use the BTS if you insist on running sid |
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| 23:01.10 | wiebel | right, as always, nice to been lectured before any conversation could start normaly but at least I know that nothing is seriouslz broken, thx |
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| 23:04.56 | DawnLight | blah |
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| 23:07.06 | sayers | What is the best mail-server for simple to setup low-account-number usage? |
| 23:07.30 | abrotman | exim and postfix are easy |
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| 23:09.27 | wiebel | exim and postfix are both fine for small and big setups |
| 23:10.05 | sayers | wiebel: Describe easy :P , no I should be able to handle postfix |
| 23:11.44 | wiebel | wols_, do you have any specific Bug in mind? sry for ranting, I am a litte bit distressed, by this |
| 23:12.20 | Vasistha | I'm trying to set up dovecot to serve offlineimap-synced Maildir folders to kmail via imap. What I can't figure out is how to specify valid users and passwords (since they do not correspond to users on my system) |
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| 23:15.52 | sayers | How would I take my sjsayers.com and link it to my webserver? |
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| 23:18.04 | jeffwheeler | I'm trying to share an AFP drive between a Sid machine and a OS X Leopard drive, but I seem to have a lot of authentication issues between the two. |
| 23:18.22 | abrotman | sayers: DNS |
| 23:18.38 | jeffwheeler | I've found this guide, but it's age makes me nervous about the repository it suggests: http://viebrock.ca/article/22/file-sharing-from-linux-to-os-x-a-quick-guide |
| 23:18.42 | sayers | abrotman: Alright I'll look for a tutorial |
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| 23:20.31 | jeffwheeler | Is there any way to mount AFP drives with regular Debian packages, so I can rule out the Mac side of the problem? |
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| 23:22.22 | wiebel | that was scary i do like my keyboard to work, thx wols_ , i found some bug that helped ;) |
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| 23:25.18 | gribouille | hi |
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| 23:25.43 | gribouille | whule building a package, I get the following error : dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}. what does it mean ? |
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| 23:26.45 | azeem | gribouille: it's a warning, not an error |
| 23:27.07 | gribouille | azeem, yes, but it isn't normal |
| 23:27.08 | sayers | abrotman: I have bind9 setup and acording to the tutorial setup right, now what? |
| 23:27.35 | g3brown | I just reinstalled Debian 4 trying to solve a disk issue. I have 4 drives in the system. 1 is attached to the motherboard and is the OS drive. I have 3 drives attached to a 3ware raid controller for the data. During install the drive attached to the mb is SDA, but after install it becomes SDB and therefore will not boot. What gives? |
| 23:27.36 | azeem | sayers: now see whether it works? |
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| 23:28.16 | sayers | azeem: And how ;) |
| 23:28.18 | azeem | gribouille: it means dpkg-shlibdeps didn't find any shared libraries to expand into that variable |
| 23:28.27 | azeem | sayers: with a web browser? |
| 23:29.15 | magyar | hi, is there a way to "ipconfig /flushdns" in debian? |
| 23:30.52 | sayers | azeem: yes but that doesn't tell me if I can link the nameservers of sjsayers.com to my server |
| 23:31.23 | azeem | what is your server? |
| 23:31.32 | h3xis | magyar, i dont think linux caches DNS unless you have nscd installed |
| 23:31.52 | sayers | azeem: Uhm? |
| 23:31.59 | azeem | sayers: what are you trying to doß |
| 23:32.00 | abrotman | magyar: no |
| 23:32.01 | azeem | do? |
| 23:32.03 | sayers | that could be a lot of questions , I'll eat then be back. |
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| 23:34.06 | magyar | h3xis: sure it does, if a change a dns entry for a host, any new client that never visited the site will get the new address, client that visited the site a few weeks ago still have the old address. Cache? for sure |
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| 23:36.42 | emss | where are the nvidia drivers for testing? |
| 23:37.14 | emss | can you easily backport the unstable source package and build new debs for testing? |
| 23:37.33 | Vasistha | !simple sid backport |
| 23:37.33 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 23:38.06 | curtmack | hah |
| 23:38.14 | Vasistha | emss: although honestly, someone ought to know about those specific drivers |
| 23:38.17 | niklauz | what do people prefer to manage pgp keys when using kde? |
| 23:38.24 | curtmack | okay, so I was digging through perl scripts and stuff, rapidly losing comprehension through all the mishmash |
| 23:38.34 | curtmack | and then I remembered something I discovered about uw-imapd |
| 23:38.40 | curtmack | it had never really been installed |
| 23:38.51 | curtmack | I mean, it was installed, but not configured |
| 23:38.59 | curtmack | and the postrm script was just to deconfigure it |
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| 23:39.17 | curtmack | so yeah, I just put exit 0 at the top of the script |
| 23:39.22 | curtmack | and they lived happily ever after |
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| 23:41.49 | abrotman | i said that hours ago |
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| 23:59.07 | trentg | Is there a package with openbox menus? |
| 23:59.41 | abrotman | menu |
| 23:59.44 | simonrvn | yeh, openbox; you mean "editor"? obmenu |
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| 23:59.57 | simonrvn | otherwise menu for the debian stuff |
