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| 00:01.09 | Michael9187 | Okay, this is probably just me---but I followed what dpkg said... "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main" added to the /etc/apt/sources.list file. It says there is an error on the line I added? Advice please? |
| 00:01.58 | abrotman | Michael9187: is your system online ? |
| 00:02.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:02.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 00:02.10 | Michael9187 | yes |
| 00:02.16 | abrotman | if so .. put your /etc/apt/sources.list on that site |
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| 00:05.32 | Michael9187 | http://paste.debian.net/40894 |
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| 00:06.29 | \amethyst | Michael9187: it's missing the "etch main" part |
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| 00:08.21 | Michael9187 | thanks got it |
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| 00:10.58 | tct | I am looking to setup a network boot server ... any debian based distros suitable for that? |
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| 00:11.35 | tct | I basically want to load linux on a PXE enabled computer like a live CD but from the network |
| 00:13.42 | lindenle | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 00:13.47 | shogunx | tct check out the ltsp packages. although sysllinux is all you really need to do a pxeboot, you would probably find the extra services of ltsp handy. |
| 00:14.20 | tct | ok thanks |
| 00:15.04 | shogunx | sure |
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| 00:19.42 | atlfalcons866 | how do i delete a file directly without sending it to the trash bin then deleting |
| 00:19.49 | petemc | rm |
| 00:20.00 | \amethyst | atlfalcons866: from where? |
| 00:20.10 | atlfalcons866 | my music folder |
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| 00:20.22 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 00:20.45 | SamuraiDio | how do i set the gtk theme theme and fonts when not in gnome or xfce? |
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| 00:20.58 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 00:21.07 | SamuraiDio | no |
| 00:21.13 | z25 | ... |
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| 00:21.22 | abrotman | no? |
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| 00:21.28 | SamuraiDio | i want know how to do it by hand |
| 00:21.42 | SamuraiDio | echoing the theme and icon-theme names to some file |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | maybe .gtkrc ? |
| 00:21.57 | SamuraiDio | shouls work right? |
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| 00:22.35 | z25 | i don't speak english very well and i don't understand Thanatermesis SamuraiDio want sorry ;) |
| 00:22.39 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, yeah, maybe, but i dont know the syntax |
| 00:22.45 | z25 | that* |
| 00:23.21 | abrotman | !fr |
| 00:23.21 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:24.30 | z25 | abrotman i stand here because i can learn english language when i read your conversation :) |
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| 00:25.28 | SamuraiDio | there's better ways o learning englich... in help channels you'll only read technical english |
| 00:26.24 | ttick | heh, well, this has been a long time since a dumn root rm screwup. Just deleted initrd.img. What do I need to re-install to get it back? |
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| 00:26.39 | z25 | yes SamuraiDio also i can learn the english who is good for me :) |
| 00:27.01 | grieih | hi |
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| 00:27.19 | SamuraiDio | z25, ;) |
| 00:27.26 | z25 | ttick kernel compilation i think no ? |
| 00:27.49 | abrotman | ttick: from a debian kernel or your own ? |
| 00:28.13 | grieih | is there any clean way to install nbsmtp or ssmtp without removin exim? |
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| 00:28.33 | abrotman | grieih: why would you? |
| 00:28.55 | grieih | abrotman: i need exim to deliver local mail, and would like to use nbsmtp to send mail using my ISP SMTP server |
| 00:29.15 | ttick | debian kernel |
| 00:29.17 | flyinprogramer | does anyone in here have nph-*.cgi and apache working on a debian box? i can't figure out how to get cgi scripts without headers to load |
| 00:29.18 | abrotman | you can use exim to do all of that |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | ttick: aptitude reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` |
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| 00:29.46 | ttick | abrotman: thanks again |
| 00:29.50 | CaT[tm] | anyone have fun with gammu and cms error 96? |
| 00:30.02 | wezza | hi, i have a question about the size of the SWAP partition, is there a good reason to make it larger than 1 Gb if you have 2 Gb of RAM? |
| 00:30.11 | grieih | abrotman: yes but no too easy to configure as nbsmtp |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | wezza: depends what your system is doing |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | grieih: you can't have two smtp servers both looking for mail |
| 00:30.53 | wezza | abrotman, It's a laptop, and I wont do heavy stuff with it I think |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | up to you |
| 00:31.06 | ttick | abrotman: btw: finally got my VMWare image up and running. Got VMWare workstation 4.0 to finally work. But then moved to VMWare Player 2.0.2, which is much faster and the network works fine. Just thought you might like to know, since you helped me get there. |
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| 00:31.52 | rmaj | Evolution 2.6.3 it seems to be 1.5 years old. can I have less agy software on my debian box easly? |
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| 00:32.18 | abrotman | rmaj: on etch? |
| 00:32.32 | wols | !tell rmaj about backports |
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| 00:32.39 | wezza | abrotman, I've read you need at least 2x your ram for hibernate to work, that rule doesn't count for suspend right? |
| 00:32.42 | wols | rmaj: that is if you are on etch, which you might not be |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | wezza: NFC .. i don't use suspend/hibernate |
| 00:33.20 | wols | !info evolution etch |
| 00:33.22 | wezza | abrotman, ghehe oke =) |
| 00:33.24 | dpkg | evolution: (groupware suite with mail client and organizer), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.3-6 (etch), Packaged size: 2347 kB, Installed size: 7092 kB |
| 00:34.05 | rmaj | wols: I guess I use testing |
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| 00:34.58 | wols | rmaj: I don't think so. lenny has a newer evolution than you report using |
| 00:35.16 | abrotman | or he didn't upgrade correctly |
| 00:35.26 | rmaj | wols: so simply write "lenny" as my version in sources.list? |
| 00:35.33 | wols | no |
| 00:35.54 | wols | unless you like breaking software that is |
| 00:36.08 | wols | dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 00:36.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |tail -1 |
| 00:36.24 | wols | ben_goodger: give it time |
| 00:36.40 | wols | ben_goodger: not to mention you should look up "anecdotal evidence" |
| 00:36.40 | kgoetz | wols: lol |
| 00:36.42 | ben_goodger | wols: I've been using it since etch was released, it hasn't yet broken |
| 00:36.59 | wols | good one. there is no testing released. ever |
| 00:37.18 | wols | oops. misread |
| 00:37.22 | wols | guess it's late |
| 00:37.23 | ben_goodger | which is why etch became stable at that point |
| 00:37.26 | z25 | rmaj see forum.debian.org there is a very good topic for version mixing of versions |
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| 00:38.03 | wols | hopefully consisting of "don't do it" as the only thing written. or maybe the !bobbitt factoid |
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| 00:38.33 | abrotman | z25: don't advocate that |
| 00:38.51 | z25 | yes sorry stand by |
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| 00:39.40 | z25 | it's on forum.debian-fr.org in french sorry :/ |
| 00:39.47 | abrotman | z25: please stop |
| 00:39.57 | g3brown | Is there an easy way to control the order of the way drivers load in udev? |
| 00:40.02 | z25 | abrotman what's the problem ? |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | z25: mixing versions of debian is a very good way to break your system .. please don't tell people to do it |
| 00:40.09 | rmaj | what is the GTK in unstable? |
| 00:40.19 | z25 | hum... |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | rmaj: packages.debian.org/libgtk2.0 |
| 00:40.41 | abrotman | g3brown: you can use module rules |
| 00:40.56 | rmaj | so 2.12 in debian unstable, 2.20 in ubuntu, and upstream is 2.21 yes? |
| 00:41.11 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0 experimental |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0 unstable |
| 00:41.25 | z25 | i use sid with experimental keywords in source.list && my debian is'nt broken :) |
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| 00:41.32 | abrotman | oh .. i named it wrong |
| 00:42.15 | abrotman | z25: that's nice .. this is a channel to help people make their systems work .. not screw them up |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | rmaj: you mean gnome? or gtk? |
| 00:42.32 | z25 | ok i understand abrotman :) |
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| 00:43.16 | kgoetz | does packages.debian.org hae any script bindings so you can call it using (say ) bash/python? |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | kgoetz: there are other apps to do that |
| 00:43.36 | g3brown | abrotman: I just Googled debian module rules. Not getting anything. Elaborate a little more? |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | g3brown: man 8 modprobe should get you started IIRC |
| 00:44.18 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 00:44.29 | abrotman | man 5 modprobe.conf ... also |
| 00:44.33 | kgoetz | abrotman: query packages.d.o? |
| 00:44.34 | g3brown | abrotman: that involves recompiling or no? |
| 00:44.45 | abrotman | g3brown: no |
| 00:44.52 | abrotman | kgoetz: which part do you want to see? |
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| 00:45.17 | dto | how do I figure out what files a package provides? |
| 00:45.24 | abrotman | !tell dto about search |
| 00:45.33 | kgoetz | abrotman: it was a general sort of question. dont remember what inspired it though :| |
| 00:45.50 | abrotman | kgoetz: there are a few tools you can use to get at bits |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | like apt-show-versions |
| 00:46.41 | kgoetz | abrotman: hanks. i'll havce a look for apty tools |
| 00:46.45 | kgoetz | s/for/at |
| 00:47.04 | z25 | gn8 |
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| 00:49.12 | g3brown | abrotman: I will investigate that more, I don't think that is going to offer me a solution. |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | g3brown: i've used it before |
| 00:49.40 | g3brown | abrotman: I've been working with an issue with Debian for a couple days off and on now. I have a system with 2 ide controllers. One on the motherboard and a 3ware RAID card. It seems Debian is randomly identifying the controllers. Sometimes it makes the first drive SDA and other times it makes it SDB. |
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| 00:50.35 | abrotman | g3brown: in /etc/modutils/actions .. i used stuff like 'pre-install <module1> modprobe <module2>' |
| 00:50.45 | g3brown | abrotman: this is almost identical to my problem I think --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/44261 |
| 00:51.22 | abrotman | g3brown: you could force udev to stop doing that |
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| 00:52.12 | g3brown | abrotman: I don't understand why it is random. I could live with editing the grub (menu.lst) but the next time it boots it's back to SDA. |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | g3brown: this isn't disk .. but similar |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | !z25 |
| 00:52.25 | dpkg | it has been said that z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
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| 00:53.23 | z25 | :s |
| 00:53.28 | kgoetz | lol |
| 00:53.36 | g3brown | abrotman: what your telling me is something to do at install then, or if I can get system to boot I can do it? |
| 00:53.55 | abrotman | g3brown: oh .. you can't get it to even install ? |
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| 00:54.10 | g3brown | abrotman: yeah, always installs perfectly. It's just after. |
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| 00:54.27 | abrotman | g3brown: ah okay .. so you never get it to boot correctly? or just sometimes ? |
| 00:54.46 | dto | hi folks... i'm stumped here. i want to put my mail from several offsite POP servers into an IMAP server on this machine. but I'm not quite sure how to make my mail go into IMAP... can fetchmail do that? |
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| 00:55.07 | abrotman | fetchmail + procmail maybe |
| 00:55.34 | dto | should i be using exim4? that's what's on here |
| 00:55.38 | dto | but i can switch. |
| 00:55.46 | g3brown | abrotman: at first I thought never. then I saw the issue with drives. I saw that it detected boot os as SDB. My gut reaction was fstab, but that no fix. I then looked at grub. Which can fix, but still very random. I might get it to boot, 1 out of 10 times. |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | g3brown: try what i mentioned above |
| 00:56.20 | abrotman | g3brown: i don't know of a bootloader option to fix that |
| 00:56.41 | g3brown | abrotman: what is the gist of what your are telling me? |
| 00:56.52 | tremb1 | i've started getting defunct/zombie processes which don't disappear today. firstly the mythtv backend went zombie when i finished watching tv. i tried to reboot but 10 minutes later it hadn't started booting up again (headless so i couldn't see why) so i powered down manually. next time i finished watching tv i had the zombie process again. now rtorrent has gone zombie when i quit it. what's going on? |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | g3brown: you've gotta have the modules load int eh right order |
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| 00:58.42 | g3brown | abrotman: Your saying to reorder the modules to load on board ide drivers first. That way the drive plugged into motherboard is always SDA? |
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| 00:58.57 | abrotman | that's the ideal solution i'd think |
| 00:59.07 | RainbowW | nfs-server now points offers three alternatives: nfs-kernel-server, nfs-user-server, and unfs3 ... which is recommended? |
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| 00:59.19 | NelsonM | is there some easy way to see what installed packages depend on a specific package? I'm trying to figure out why aptitude thinks I need texlive-lang-mongolian |
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| 00:59.39 | pipeline | RainbowW: kernel |
| 00:59.47 | calmar | hi all, I opened: sudo aptitute. for some raeson that terminal dissaperaed not. yet pgrep aptitide still finds the process. Anyway to connect to it maybe? |
| 00:59.58 | calmar | s/not// |
| 00:59.58 | pipeline | RainbowW: nfs on linux is a crapshoot at best, userspace makes it worse :P |
| 01:00.04 | g3brown | abrotman: I could accept that if I wasn't getting the random thing. If what you saying could fix it, wouldn't simply editing the grub loader to reflect SDB fix the problem also? or what am I missing. |
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| 01:00.09 | NelsonM | nfs on anything is a crapshoot :-) |
| 01:00.14 | pipeline | NelsonM: untrue |
| 01:00.20 | abrotman | g3brown: i don't know of a grub way to do it |
| 01:00.28 | RainbowW | pipeline: if you knew the OS of the client you'd ban me from the channel ... |
| 01:00.29 | pipeline | NelsonM: I've made five operating systems play nice in the same room :P |
| 01:00.58 | g3brown | abrotman: if I edit grub and tell it that the os is SDB, just like in the link I posted. |
| 01:00.58 | NelsonM | pipeline: until you get some packet loss :-) |
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| 01:01.21 | pipeline | NelsonM: NFS over TCP dates to 1993. It's not my fault linux didn't support it until 2001 :P |
| 01:01.21 | g3brown | abrotman: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-22-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-22-386 root=/dev/sdb1 ro quiet splash |
| 01:01.23 | NelsonM | it seems odd that I really need Mongolian hyphenation files on my system just to draw some graphs with matplotlib |
| 01:01.25 | abrotman | g3brown: oh .. that's not really useful though :) |
| 01:01.31 | pipeline | RainbowW: Windows to Linux |
| 01:01.35 | pipeline | RainbowW: NFS is hell |
| 01:01.46 | pipeline | RainbowW: either get a better NFS server, or use SMB. |
| 01:01.52 | RainbowW | pipeline: believe it or not, i've found it easier to hassle with than dog-assed slow samba |
| 01:02.24 | pipeline | RainbowW: You're nuts. SMB shouldn't be slow, NFS from windows to linux is a bear. Mmm inexplicable connection hangs. |
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| 01:02.36 | RainbowW | samba is always an insane monster for permissions |
| 01:02.48 | abrotman | use it like DOS! |
| 01:03.32 | g3brown | RainbowW: I have a SMB server that copies 1GB in 15 secs |
| 01:03.43 | pipeline | huh? samba exposes UNIX permissions as ACLs, and can map NT ACLs to ext3 ACLs if you enable it. |
| 01:04.17 | pipeline | NFS on linux is a linux to linux affair. I try not to expect it to interoperate. |
| 01:04.38 | NelsonM | is the Linux NFS implementation from scratch? or a port of the BSD implementation or something? |
| 01:04.55 | RainbowW | g3brown: must be nice. |
| 01:05.19 | g3brown | RainbowW: just pointing out that it not neccessarily slow. |
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| 01:05.46 | ryty | g3brown: one of our customers has some Local storage, copes about 500 MB/s |
| 01:05.47 | pipeline | NelsonM: Don't know, don't care. |
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| 01:05.52 | ryty | copies, too |
| 01:05.57 | RainbowW | no i understand. i've just always had crap luck with it. |
| 01:06.15 | pipeline | RainbowW: The point we're trying to make is that you're running into pathological behaviour in smba. |
| 01:06.19 | g3brown | ryty: wow that would be 1gb in 2 seconds? |
| 01:06.24 | NelsonM | rainbow: I found my simple home network is much happier doing samba since I hardcoded the hostname in the windows client hosts' file |
| 01:06.46 | RainbowW | NelsonM: the hostname of ... the linux server? |
| 01:06.47 | g3brown | ryty: is that over a network? |
| 01:07.13 | g3brown | abrotman: sorry to be a pest here. with modprobe I remove and adding the modules back? or editing the conf file? |
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| 01:07.36 | ryty | g3brown: sort of. The test copy was from some fibre channel storage to local storage |
| 01:07.37 | NelsonM | rainbow: yeah. I run Samba on my Linux box to serve a disk to windows clients. The Windows clients work a lot better since I put the server's IP address in the hosts file on the clients. before then it did some god awful NMB queries that timed out a lot. |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | g3brown: no .. basically you're saying "before you insert this module, insert this one" |
| 01:08.11 | g3brown | abrotman: oh yeah, a rule. |
| 01:08.28 | NelsonM | rainbow: this is just casual use, so may or may not help you. But I shudder at the idea of running NFS on Windows. |
| 01:08.30 | abrotman | or you could use udev rules |
| 01:08.38 | g3brown | ryty: I would love to get speeds like that. |
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| 01:08.43 | RainbowW | nelsonm: i'll give that a shot. |
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| 01:09.11 | tremby | any ideas on my zombie processes issue? i've just noticed with ps ax | grep Z that i have a bunch of zombie sshd processes too |
| 01:09.14 | NelsonM | rainbow: or quick test, you can access an SMB share via ip address. ie: \\192.168.0.1\My Documents |
| 01:09.17 | Nigromante | Edgardoweb, hablame |
| 01:09.31 | NelsonM | rainbow: that';ll bypass the name lookup stuff that can time out |
| 01:09.37 | NelsonM | tremby: do a ps xaf and look for the root process |
| 01:09.40 | Edgardoweb | hi NelsonM |
| 01:09.41 | ryty | g3brown: yah, we copied over 140 GB in about 5 minutes |
| 01:09.42 | g3brown | abrotman: udev sounds better to this noob. That appears to me where the problem is being created. |
| 01:09.44 | Edgardoweb | ese Nigromante |
| 01:10.01 | Edgardoweb | Nigromante: /debian-es |
| 01:10.16 | abrotman | #debian-es |
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| 01:10.26 | Edgardoweb | yes |
| 01:10.34 | acu | which pda is most compatible with linux debian ? |
| 01:10.35 | tremby | NelsonM: i'm looking for the process that the zombie branches out from? |
| 01:10.47 | g3brown | ryty: I woudl give some serious money for speed like that. |
| 01:11.01 | NelsonM | tremby: yup. it may be it's not waiting for forked ssh processes to exit. common source of zombies. |
| 01:11.12 | NelsonM | tremby: the zombie hangs around until the parent asks for the exit code |
| 01:11.21 | Edgardoweb | NelsonFx, |
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| 01:11.27 | abrotman | ps -ef |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 01:11.28 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 01:11.32 | NelsonM | <- is not NelsonFx |
| 01:11.43 | abrotman | nice and confusing |
| 01:12.04 | inode34 | suggestions for a simple replacement to sendmail? something more secure and simple (no setup :)) to setup? |
| 01:12.04 | NelsonM | but if you ignore a zombie it might bite your getty process and infect it with zombiehood. that gets ugly |
| 01:12.14 | NelsonM | inode: I like postfix. debian defaults to exim |
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| 01:12.26 | abrotman | inode34: exim and postfix are both easy enough |
| 01:12.46 | wols | inode34: there are no MTAs you can use without setup. |
| 01:12.49 | wols | just can't exist |
| 01:12.52 | NelsonM | man, sysadmin kids these days. They probably can't even read a sendmail.cf |
| 01:13.08 | inode34 | wols :) well, i'm just looking for sending mail out. |
| 01:13.11 | wols | NelsonM: on the plus side, they still might be sane |
| 01:13.23 | wols | inode34: ssmtp or such then |
| 01:13.34 | RainbowW | why the hell would i want to read a sendmail.cf? (of course, i'm a qmail weenie, which yall think is just as bad.) |
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| 01:13.53 | abrotman | RainbowW: it's worse |
| 01:13.58 | wols | RainbowW: to be able to plea inanity can come handy |
| 01:14.20 | NelsonM | just laughing at the bad old days of Unix. sendmail.cf is one of the most complicated things out there. it's lovely to not have to know it. |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | NelsonM: NIS? |
| 01:14.58 | NelsonM | --yp-me-harder |
| 01:15.36 | Edgardoweb | NelsonM: hi haz instalado Palm? |
| 01:15.41 | Edgardoweb | for debain¿ ? |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:15.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:16.01 | NelsonM | !pt |
| 01:16.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:16.51 | NelsonM | you know, it's hallowe'en. for something really scary, we could talk about hacking /etc/termcap |
| 01:18.19 | tremby | NelsonM: the parent of the zombie rtorrent process is a screen process. i can't seem to kill it. tried kill and kill -9 but it's still there |
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| 01:18.54 | abrotman | tremby: is the screen also zombie ? |
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| 01:19.01 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 01:19.06 | NelsonM | it's hard to imagine screen not servicing the sshd. something's really wrong. |
| 01:19.22 | tremby | abrotman: nope |
| 01:19.29 | NelsonM | is it in device wait? capital D? |
| 01:20.03 | abrotman | maybe he paused screen |
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| 01:20.19 | tremby | NelsonM: device wait? don't know what you mean |
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| 01:20.33 | abrotman | tremby: what's the process status of screen |
| 01:20.35 | NelsonM | tremby; what's the status of the process? "R" or "S" are good. "Z" or "D" are bad |
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| 01:20.53 | tremby | Ds |
| 01:20.55 | tremby | what's D? |
| 01:21.00 | NelsonM | D is device wait |
| 01:21.03 | tremby | ah |
| 01:21.09 | NelsonM | it's blocked in the kernel. maybe waiting for a TTY or something? |
| 01:21.24 | NelsonM | that's why you have zombies; screen's blocked itself. |
| 01:21.33 | tremby | don't know if it helps, but i get a zombie ssh by sshing in and then exiting. |
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| 01:22.06 | aleksandr | hola |
| 01:22.12 | haggz | if you can't kill a zombie, you must feed it brains |
| 01:22.29 | NelsonM | tremby, all I can say is something's fubar. your best bet is to unwind that whole screen session and start over. or ignore the zombies; they don't really hurt anything |
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| 01:22.52 | Xenguy | tremby: alias zombie='ps fauxw |less -m' |
| 01:22.54 | tremby | NelsonM: but they do... i can't start a new mythbackend with the zombie one hanging around. it doesn't seem to have a parent process |
| 01:22.58 | tremby | it's Zsl |
| 01:23.06 | Xenguy | tremby: then search for 'Z' |
| 01:23.29 | Xenguy | tremby: not sure if that actually applies to your situation, but could be useful |
| 01:23.39 | tremby | Xenguy: i was doing something similar already, cheers |
| 01:23.41 | NelsonM | tremby: ah, got it. basically you need to go up the process tree until you find a parent you can kill. terminate the parent screen? |
| 01:23.47 | Xenguy | tremby: K |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | more strikeouts! |
| 01:24.00 | tremby | NelsonM: this isn't screen any more. this is a totally different zombie |
| 01:24.09 | NelsonM | ./facepalm |
| 01:24.30 | tremby | NelsonM: i have zombie rtorrent under a screen, multiple zombie sshds under sshd and mythbackend under nothing |
| 01:24.46 | Xenguy | tremby: hah, reboot then :P |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | sounds like it's spreading |
| 01:24.57 | NelsonM | infectuous zombies! |
| 01:25.15 | NelsonM | tremby, if you can reboot, that's your easy option |
| 01:25.44 | tremby | Xenguy: i waited 10 minutes last time i said reboot and it didn't powercycle. headless so i couldn't see why. i switched it off manually and back on. i've still been getting zombies since |
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| 01:25.52 | NelsonM | otherwise there's some parent process somewhere that's supposed to be waiting on those zombies to die, and it's not doing its job. Linux kernel is pretty good about not screwing up zombies that way |
| 01:25.55 | RainbowW | screen -d -r? |
| 01:25.59 | Xenguy | tremby: yikes |
| 01:26.21 | NelsonM | could be worse; at least you can touch the power switch :-) do you use a serial console? |
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| 01:26.42 | john_scrotum | !debian |
| 01:26.42 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:26.42 | tremby | i'm sshing in from upstairs. it's my server-under-the-stairs |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | tremby: anything useful in the syslog or messages ? |
| 01:27.02 | tremby | abrotman: good question... |
| 01:27.05 | Xenguy | tremby: is there a troll living there ? ;-) |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | you know like Disk Seek IO Dead stuff |
| 01:27.15 | NelsonM | I'm out of ideas for the zombie server under the stairs. sorry! |
| 01:27.17 | tremby | Xenguy: yeah, don't want to get too close... |
| 01:27.52 | tremby | abrotman: what sort of stuff am i looking for in messages? |
| 01:29.10 | abrotman | tremby: stuff that looks bad |
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| 01:29.48 | Xenguy | heh |
| 01:30.37 | trifler | if i want to connect to a network drive in windoes from my debian machone. i want to store the files on my debian machhine but be able to view them from windoes. That is called a "samba" share? |
| 01:30.49 | NelsonM | trifler: yes |
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| 01:30.57 | trifler | NelsonM: Ty |
| 01:31.13 | tremby | abrotman: no, there's nothing useful (i just made a few new zombies to see if anything appeared, and nothing) |
| 01:31.20 | _luks | why apt is not solving dependencies on my lenny 4.0 ? |
| 01:31.22 | NelsonM | later, folks. watch out for the zombies under the stairs |
| 01:31.28 | abrotman | _luks: lenny is not 4.0 |
| 01:31.31 | trifler | !smbfs |
| 01:31.31 | dpkg | somebody said smbfs was the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs. |
| 01:31.34 | abrotman | tremby: you can make them at will ? |
| 01:31.45 | trifler | !samba |
| 01:31.45 | dpkg | i guess samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 01:32.05 | tremby | abrotman: almost, yeah. if i ssh in and then exit, "braaaiiinssss" |
| 01:32.11 | _luks | whatever, 4.0 is not solving dependencies |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | cute |
| 01:32.21 | tremby | abrotman: sometimes it exits ok, but mostly i get a zombie |
| 01:32.23 | _luks | how can i fix it ? |
| 01:32.26 | abrotman | _luks: there's a big difference between 4.0 and lenny .. so which is it ? |
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| 01:33.59 | _luks | abrotman: dude, i dunno these things .. i just want to know how to make my apt solve dependencies for me ? |
| 01:34.06 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:34.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | show us |
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| 01:34.56 | dto | is there a good general howto for rebuilding packages that covers dpatch? i am repackaging some things, and most of my changes are to the debian subdirectory. |
| 01:35.02 | dto | is dpatch what i should be using? |
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| 01:35.21 | dto | the manpage described its features, but i don't get an overall sense of where to start. |
| 01:35.30 | _luks | why my apt is not solving dependencies ? |
| 01:36.04 | wols | _luks: unless you show us the errors like abrotman asked you to, no one will be able to help you |
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| 01:36.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell _luks -about bat |
| 01:36.54 | RainbowW | this is why i fucking hate samba. first i get read-only shares; then i get read-write-create but not delete shares. wtf? |
| 01:36.55 | dondelelcaro | _luks: follow those instructions |
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| 01:37.14 | tremby | i'll try and powercycle the zombieing box again... |
| 01:37.25 | _luks | wols: http://rafb.net/p/grvOKJ72.html |
| 01:37.31 | _luks | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/grvOKJ72.html |
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| 01:38.01 | wols | _luks: don't mix etch and lenny |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | you've been mixing |
| 01:38.21 | dto | what i would like to do is download the source of a package (either from apt-get source foo, or directly from the maintainer's website), have it make a debian directory from scratch (with dh_make i guess). I make changes to what's in the debian directory and then it makes a patch for me to be applied at runtime. |
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| 01:38.53 | _luks | mixing ? |
| 01:38.54 | wols | patch at runtime? |
| 01:39.02 | dto | wols: haha, at build time :-) sorry |
| 01:39.06 | wols | _luks: you mixed debian etch and lenny or sid |
| 01:39.31 | stew | _luks: you are trying to install iceweasel from testing or unstable, but you are running stable. |
| 01:39.40 | _luks | lol |
| 01:39.41 | _luks | am i ? |
| 01:39.46 | _luks | :P |
| 01:39.58 | dondelelcaro | !+depends iceweasel lenny |
| 01:40.00 | dpkg | iceweasel: depends on fontconfig, psmisc, debianutils (>= 1.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libjpeg62, libmyspell3c2, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxinerama1, libxp6, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
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| 01:40.11 | spamyboy | Off-topic: I have just created on map and there was article writen about it, could anyone DIGG it pleas ? http://digg.com/gaming_news/http_www_allnevv_com_article_gaming_84/blog THANKS ! |
| 01:40.15 | dondelelcaro | !+depends iceweasel |
| 01:40.17 | dpkg | iceweasel: depends on fontconfig, psmisc, procps, debianutils (>= 1.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libhunspell-1.1-0 (>= 1.1.6-1), libjpeg62, libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-0d (>= 3.11.5-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.2), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libx11-6, libxft2 ... |
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| 01:40.25 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:41.10 | _luks | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Lenny_ - Official Snapshot i386 CD Binary-1 20070528-09:58]/ lenny contrib main |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | spamyboy: please don't do that |
| 01:41.21 | _luks | this is the cd which i installed |
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| 01:42.41 | stew | _luks: show us the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel libatk1.0-0" |
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| 01:43.55 | _luks | stew: http://rafb.net/p/ynAUlh22.html |
| 01:43.55 | tremby | does poweroff write to a log? |
| 01:44.26 | tremby | or indeed reboot -- i've just told my server to reboot and it seems to have crashed |
| 01:44.51 | abrotman | _luks: when is the last time you ran apt-get update or aptitude update ? |
| 01:45.37 | abrotman | _luks: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list also ? |
| 01:45.39 | stew | _luks: you need to add a debian mirror, you are trying to install a newer version of iceweasel from the security repository, but it depends on newer libraries that have been released since your lenny cd imags were made, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 01:46.04 | _luks | i installed debian a few minutes ago... the first thing i did after installing was run apt-get update |
| 01:46.28 | dondelelcaro | _luks: yes, but because you didn't add any mirrors besides the security mirror, that didn't do anything. |
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| 01:47.02 | _luks | ok |
| 01:47.17 | _luks | im gonna add a mirror |
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| 01:49.54 | pmurr | hi, I always read in wikis and howtos if using ndiswrapper I have to add it to /etc/modules but ndiswrapper has a parameter -m that can "write configuration for modprobe" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper. is this the same than manually adding and what is better |
| 01:50.37 | _luks | hey dudes |
| 01:50.45 | _luks | its working now :D |
| 01:50.57 | _luks | one more question |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | _luks: now don't break it! |
| 01:51.10 | _luks | anyone know if envy works on debian ? |
| 01:51.20 | _luks | abrotman: sure :D |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | what is envy? |
| 01:51.29 | s[exe] | Hm, does anyone know how to get hibernate to work on a laptop? >_> |
| 01:51.37 | _luks | a program which installs nvidia driver |
| 01:51.53 | s[exe] | It seems my nVidia driver is preventing it from working. |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | _luks: looks like it kind of does .. but not really |
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| 01:53.01 | dto | can i debianize a package with dh_make and then use dpatch to manage my changes |
| 01:53.02 | dto | ? |
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| 01:53.10 | dondelelcaro | dto: if you want, yes. |
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| 01:55.22 | dto | dondelelcaro: can i ask you a few other questions about debian package building/rebuilding? |
| 01:55.27 | dto | oh, brb |
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| 02:02.38 | dto | ok i think i may have just experienced a UFO sighting. |
| 02:02.51 | dto | in that i have NEVER seen or heard anything like what just happened outside. EVER |
| 02:03.35 | mrsno | dto i seen one when i was very young (i think) :) |
| 02:03.35 | amphi | it was probably a weather ballooon ;) |
| 02:03.41 | liable | grr, cups has decided throw a tantrum |
| 02:04.44 | abrotman | this is different how ? |
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| 02:06.42 | chuck | hi, how do i turn on pipe_transport in exim? |
| 02:06.56 | dto | this was enormously loud |
| 02:07.04 | dto | maybe the jets are being scrambled |
| 02:07.12 | dto | like on 9/11 |
| 02:07.22 | dto | (i'm in the northeasternU.S. :-) |
| 02:07.24 | jkitchen | no, this was really really loud http://www.metacafe.com/watch/700130/ventrilo_harassment_really_really_loud/ |
| 02:07.28 | abrotman | dto: are you anywhere near an airport? |
| 02:07.31 | xtor | Are there any USB boot images(for iso file mounting and install) that run on the 2.6.22 kernel? Cuz I need to boot with that kernel in order to recognize my hard drive through an IDE PATA module |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | dto: maybe it was the bar down the street watching the sox game? :) |
| 02:08.03 | jkitchen | dto: pictures of said ufo? |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | chuck: did you ask #exim ? |
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| 02:10.32 | lincast | hello debian |
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| 02:12.49 | RainbowW | so i'm plugging up a usb drive and i'm getting, "usb 5-1.2: device not accepting address 33, error -71" ... what's up with that? at one point i could mount this drive, now i could not |
| 02:13.27 | aeshyamae | to my great surprise programmes like epiphany,iceweasal,liferea,and sometime even gedit and evince is hanging in my debian etch system...bug buddy pops up frequently !!how can i know whats being wrong here? |
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| 02:17.20 | Detox_at_Home | hello all ,, I cannot find anything regarding dual boot with win vista.... does anyone have a link to a how to? |
| 02:18.00 | ben_goodger | Detox_at_Home: use the debian installer to set up your partition layout, then install vista, then install debian... that pretty much covers it afaik |
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| 02:18.22 | Detox_at_Home | pc has vista on it now |
| 02:18.28 | Detox_at_Home | is new dell laptop |
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| 02:18.55 | Detox_at_Home | guess I should ahve said that |
| 02:18.56 | ben_goodger | right |
| 02:19.07 | lincast | aeshyamae: this in debian stable? |
| 02:19.24 | ben_goodger | you'll need to find some way of resizing the existing partition, because I don't think the debian installer resizes ntfs particularly well |
| 02:19.31 | aeshyamae | ya i downloaded the dvd of etch 4.0 r0 months ago |
| 02:19.39 | Detox_at_Home | I had dell split the HD |
| 02:19.44 | Detox_at_Home | ahve 80 gig free now |
| 02:19.49 | ben_goodger | ok.. |
| 02:19.59 | lincast | aeshyamae: hmm, nfi. i get weirdo behavior when i run out of space sometimes |
| 02:20.00 | ben_goodger | just stick debian in that 80G then |
| 02:20.17 | Detox_at_Home | no prob's with grub? |
| 02:20.25 | Detox_at_Home | and the floating vista mbr? |
| 02:20.36 | ben_goodger | ah |
| 02:20.41 | ben_goodger | I hadn't heard about that |
| 02:20.45 | Detox_at_Home | hmmm |
| 02:20.50 | Detox_at_Home | ok ,, |
| 02:20.54 | ben_goodger | have you tried, you know, searching the internet? |
| 02:20.59 | Detox_at_Home | yes |
| 02:21.15 | Detox_at_Home | that is where i am getting the comments about the floateing mbr |
| 02:21.18 | aeshyamae | lincast: i have 7.6gb free space in harddisk and ma mainmemory is 1gb |
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| 02:21.49 | aeshyamae | lincast: i mean 7.6gb free space in root partition itself |
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| 02:22.13 | Detox_at_Home | well ,,,, back to searching more.......... if I do find something that is valid ,,, I will psot something here for otheres |
| 02:22.38 | chump | !ntfs |
| 02:22.38 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
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| 02:23.19 | chump | !ntfs-3g |
| 02:23.19 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 02:23.19 | ben_goodger | chump: that's of absolutely no use whatsoever for resizing it with partman |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | chump: /msg dpkg foo |
| 02:23.20 | novato_br | how can I make debs packages to distribute ? |
| 02:23.26 | ben_goodger | gah |
| 02:23.30 | RainbowW | is there any reason why someone would WANT to write to ntfs on linux? |
| 02:23.49 | ben_goodger | RainbowW: well, the obvious reason suffices |
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| 02:23.50 | Penix | RainbowW: no. none at all. that's why people put so much effort in to supporting it |
| 02:23.54 | nvz | novato_br: www.debian.org/devel read the new maintainers guide or packaging how-to |
| 02:24.49 | dto | jkitchen: no pics... |
| 02:24.51 | ben_goodger | nvz: he/she's not interested in becoming a maintainer, just wants to create debs of pidgin to email to people or ..something.. |
| 02:24.54 | dto | just saw it by chance |
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| 02:25.26 | jkitchen | dto: not even a blurry cell phone camera pic? :P |
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| 02:25.42 | lincast | ls |
| 02:25.44 | dto | hehe |
| 02:25.45 | dto | no |
| 02:25.45 | ben_goodger | those are the best |
| 02:25.47 | lincast | woops |
| 02:25.53 | dto | i was just out walking the pooch |
| 02:26.05 | ben_goodger | lincast: repeat after me... irc is not a terminal... :D |
| 02:27.23 | Penix | I'm not interested in learning to drive a car. I just wanna fly up the coast at 150km/h |
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| 02:36.33 | xp_prg | hi all, I am running ubuntustudio and a girl needs to get on the internet, I am connected via tmobile through a wireless usb card, she has a tcp/ip ethernet rj45 port, can I somehow share this connection with her? |
| 02:36.49 | xp_prg | I also have an rj45 port |
| 02:36.56 | abrotman | xp_prg: this channel is for debian support |
| 02:37.08 | ben_goodger | #ubuntu is that way, xp_prg |
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| 02:37.18 | ben_goodger | byee |
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| 02:37.43 | blq | hiho |
| 02:37.52 | xp_prg | well is it like ip masquerading I need to do? |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | xp_prg: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | or ##linux |
| 02:38.11 | xp_prg | nobody is helping me in #ubuntu |
| 02:38.34 | wols | xp_prg: debian uses ipmasq for this. we don't have a clue what ubuntu uses. and that they don't help is not our problem |
| 02:38.35 | RainbowW | xp_prg: sucks to be you then. |
| 02:39.48 | ben_goodger | sorry, xp_prg, but we really can't support ubuntu |
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| 02:40.33 | ben_goodger | though there's no theoretical reason why not, since the tcp/ip stack should be shared, ubuntu might have some random bug |
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| 02:40.51 | ben_goodger | and I'd point you in the direction of iptables, but that's as far as I know; sorry |
| 02:41.05 | xtor | lol and I thought ubuntu was supposed to have a more "vibrant" peer network |
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| 02:41.14 | l4m3r | I feel stupid for asking this, but I'm having a hard time finding info... is the nvidia driver broken in Sid/Lenny? |
| 02:42.03 | et | in lenny for sure, use the nvidia installer |
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| 02:42.05 | RainbowW | things are frequently broken in sid. |
| 02:42.07 | BaD-CrC | what is the best way to setup caching dns on a laptop? i'm constantly bouncing between wireless networks in my travels, and some places have extremely slow dns servers. |
| 02:42.11 | xp_prg | it uses ipmasq as well! |
| 02:42.27 | lgc_ | Hi. What algorithm is executed to process the password in order to grant access? |
| 02:42.29 | xp_prg | is there like a cool gui front end for ipmasq to easily fconfigure it? |
| 02:42.32 | RainbowW | xp_prg: take a hint. get lost. |
| 02:42.39 | \amethyst | lgc_: man 3 crypt |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | xp_prg: ask #ubuntu .. we have no idea |
| 02:43.54 | lgc_ | \amethyst, crypt used to be on old systems. Is it current? |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | l4m3r: in lenny yes . in sid no |
| 02:44.23 | Xenguy | l4m3r: don't feel stupid... I'm finally figuring out that one of the best reasons for sticking with stable is the nvidia driver situation :-/ |
| 02:44.35 | l4m3r | >_< |
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| 02:44.44 | l4m3r | but Etch is so... meh... |
| 02:44.51 | \amethyst | lgc_: glibc's crypt has an extension to do MD5-based hashing as well as the old DES-based hashing |
| 02:45.07 | \amethyst | lgc_: look in the 'NOTES' section of the manpage |
| 02:45.09 | l4m3r | I've been using it on my laptop ever since that whole Xorg/fglrx versioning disaster |
| 02:45.13 | Xenguy | l4m3r: it's quite fresh really (and there are other ways to install the latest/greatest) |
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| 02:45.28 | lgc_ | \amethyst, thanks a lot. |
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| 02:50.37 | jatuttle | hello. |
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| 02:52.20 | john_scrotum | :-D |
| 02:52.30 | blq | When KDE starts and the splash-screen appears, KDE "hangs/waits" for ca. 3 minutes while "Initializing system services". Then the splash-screen disappears. And I can just see my mouse on a black screen while it hangs another 5 minutes. When finally everything is loaded and I try to click on for example the "k" on the kicker it'll take another 5 minutes till any response.. I'm using a "fresh" and clean and upgradet net-installa |
| 02:52.30 | blq | tion of Debian Etch with X.Org, KDE and Nvidia-glx drivers on an Athlon XP 2500+ 11.5x166MHz (1.89GHz), 2x 512MB DDR333 (166MHz), Leadtek Nvidia GeForce FX5600 256MB. I've allready tried about 100 of solutions found at google/altavista/etc without success.. :/ |
| 02:53.15 | kingtutt | u try to upgrade |
| 02:53.26 | john_scrotum | >:o |
| 02:53.27 | kingtutt | perhaps change the splash screen |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | blq: how did you install xorg and kde? |
| 02:53.58 | blq | like I said, it's upgraded - it's the standart splash |
| 02:54.10 | blq | abrotman: via apt |
| 02:54.14 | kingtutt | i was wondering if anyone had an oppinion of which irc server to run for a small business |
| 02:54.26 | l4m3r | hm, apparently nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-100.14.19, which I can't install? o_O |
| 02:54.31 | kingtutt | try changing it |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | blq: i meant .. aptitude install kde xorg ? |
| 02:54.48 | blq | l4m3r: I also installed the Nvidia Kernel Module |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | kingtutt: you're not helping |
| 02:54.52 | p0seidon | hi |
| 02:55.08 | kingtutt | that was kinda happening to me...and i did those two things and it booted like norm when i had to reboot |
| 02:55.11 | kingtutt | ...? |
| 02:55.16 | blq | abrotman: apt-get install xorg and then apt-get install kde |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | kingtutt: apt-cache search ircd |
| 02:55.21 | kingtutt | ok |
| 02:55.29 | kingtutt | sorry |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | blq: have you tried it using another driver? like vesa or nv ? |
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| 02:56.20 | cycom | Hey, is there a package in the repos for compizconfig? |
| 02:56.28 | abrotman | !tell cycom about search |
| 02:56.30 | kingtutt | i'm actually not sorry, however i 'wasn't |
| 02:56.41 | kingtutt | ' helping, you topped it. |
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| 02:57.27 | blq | abrotman: at first I tried vesa, then nv - both didn't work so I installed the nvidia drivers and the nvidia kernel module and nvidia-xconfig to configure xorg for the nvidia driver and rechecked the xorg.conf for possible mistakes of nvidia-xconfig |
| 02:57.45 | cycom | abrotman: yeah, I did that. I have everything except compiz-dev (presumably the header files and things don't have the stuff I need) |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | blq: vesa should always at least give you a display |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | !find compizconfig etch |
| 02:58.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'compizconfig' returned no results. |
| 02:58.05 | blq | abrotman: ok they both worked same good/bad like the nvidia driver :P |
| 02:58.28 | cycom | abrotman: which is what has me worried. How can it have compiz, but not the configuration manager? |
| 02:58.43 | abrotman | blq: ah okay . so that eliminates the nvidia driver |
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| 02:58.52 | abrotman | cycom: maybe the config manager hasn't always existed |
| 02:58.54 | blq | abrotman: I wanted to say that it also hang with them - that's why I tried the nvidia driver |
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| 02:59.15 | abrotman | !find compizconfig lenny |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | blq: tried another window manager? |
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| 03:00.39 | blq | abrotman: not yet - but I think it's a "KDE only" problem like I read on several threads on boards |
| 03:00.43 | chump | i just installed ntfs-3g and fuse .. but my usb hd isn't mounting my ntfs automaticly when i plug it someone know how to fix this ? |
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| 03:00.57 | abrotman | blq: you could ask #debian-kde .. but they're probably sleeping .. there's also the BTS |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | blq: has it ever worked correctly? |
| 03:01.12 | blq | abrotman: BTS? :P |
| 03:01.17 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:01.18 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 03:02.07 | blq | abrotman: no, it hasn't ever worked.. That's why I did a fresh installation .. cuz I wasn't able to get it working on my old one (same problem).. :/ |
| 03:02.39 | abrotman | blq: are there are any errors in your kde or X logs ? |
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| 03:03.30 | blq | abrotman: I didn't find anything that could have caused that in .xsession-errors |
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| 03:04.15 | blq | abrotman: just something about "BadWindow (invaldid Window parameter)" |
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| 03:06.19 | lgc_ | \amethyst, is there a function I can use from the command line in order to feed crypt() directly? |
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| 03:07.55 | blq | abrotman: where are the kde logs located? |
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| 03:08.08 | abrotman | i meant the .xsesssion-errors |
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| 03:08.29 | dalias | wow echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness makes a HUGE difference |
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| 03:09.01 | dalias | my box went from 15 seconds of lag every time i raise/lower a window, to no swapping at all |
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| 03:09.26 | blq | abrotman: thankyou for your help! - Maybe one I'll have a working Debian-Desktop too :) |
| 03:09.42 | abrotman | blq: try asking #debian-kde |
| 03:10.01 | DawnLight | yo |
| 03:10.04 | blq | abrotman: I did, thanks for the suggestion |
| 03:10.07 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | a-rod opts out! |
| 03:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, nice to hear that... I guess that will make a friend of mine really happy :) |
| 03:11.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dalias, what exactly does it do? |
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| 03:11.38 | Dewi | what would be the correct way to disable those 'locate' updates? |
| 03:11.49 | dalias | swappiness controls how much the kernel should consider swapping out parts of programs' memory to make room for disk cache |
| 03:11.56 | dalias | 0 = never swap to make room for cache |
| 03:12.09 | Dewi | I know it's in /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 03:12.34 | dalias | look at /etc/updatedb.conf |
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| 03:12.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, that sounds pretty useful if you have only little memory |
| 03:12.41 | dalias | i just add exit 0 to the beginning of that file |
| 03:12.57 | Dewi | swapping to make room for cache sounds like madness |
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| 03:13.06 | Dewi | because it's pretty much certain there will be a future hit on that page |
| 03:13.11 | Gargantua | Hi |
| 03:13.14 | Dewi | and you can't say that about anything on a disk |
| 03:13.16 | dalias | dewi, yes, but the kernel devs have to touch with reality |
| 03:13.24 | Gargantua | Is "git-core" on the repos the "git" program? |
| 03:13.33 | dalias | s/to/no/ |
| 03:13.51 | Dewi | dalias: I thought aggressive memory freeing and cache growing was a windows trait |
| 03:14.00 | dalias | before: if i run mplayer and play a 100 meg movie, everything will be swapped afterwards |
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| 03:14.18 | dalias | after: system has no latency at all after doing that |
| 03:14.18 | Gargantua | anyone? |
| 03:14.20 | Dewi | dalias: for some reason this box (win2k3) keeps using up to 350MB of cache while I have <50MB free memory... |
| 03:14.23 | abrotman | Gargantua: i think so .. apt-cache show git-core |
| 03:14.25 | dalias | and caching the movie does not help anything |
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| 03:14.44 | Gargantua | abrotman, thanks friend ;) |
| 03:16.47 | Nyle | what |
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| 03:20.36 | Dewi | so anyway I was trying to read from a failing disk this morning, mounted read-only, and I noticed things were going very very slow |
| 03:20.45 | Dewi | eventually I realised that update-db was hitting my disk! |
| 03:21.04 | Dewi | should it really be scanning things that are not in the fstab, mounted read-only, etc? |
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| 03:21.53 | wols_ | if it's mounted, it gets indexed |
| 03:21.57 | wols_ | more or less |
| 03:22.24 | Dewi | it made me feel all dirty like I was using windows XP |
| 03:22.48 | Dewi | although windows XP would automount and start writing to the disk as well |
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| 03:23.57 | Gargantua | This is kinda of a noob question... but if I have a dir/, how do I make a tarball of it? |
| 03:24.05 | Gargantua | better yet, gzip. |
| 03:24.21 | DawnLight | Gargantua: man gzip |
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| 03:24.29 | Dewi | Gargantua: tar czf filename dir |
| 03:24.36 | wols_ | tar -cjvf tarfile.tar.bz2 <file> |
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| 03:24.53 | DawnLight | i liked my aswer better |
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| 03:25.03 | wols_ | DawnLight: but it was wrong |
| 03:25.08 | abrotman | DawnLight: doesn't help him |
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| 03:25.18 | Dewi | DawnLight: if you don't want to answer, don't |
| 03:25.21 | DawnLight | tar does the gzipping? |
| 03:25.26 | shogunx | DawnLight, if he only does gzip, the files will not be concatenated together as they would with a tar. |
| 03:25.29 | Dewi | DawnLight: it does with z or j options |
| 03:25.31 | wols_ | yes, GNU tar does |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | DawnLight: yes |
| 03:25.42 | gribouille | dh-make-perl fails to track dependencies |
| 03:26.03 | Gargantua | Tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive. |
| 03:26.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:26.15 | Gargantua | # tar czf fusion-icon/ |
| 03:26.21 | abrotman | you have to give it a name |
| 03:26.26 | Gargantua | ah |
| 03:26.27 | Guerin | gribouille: no, it most definitely does not |
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| 03:26.32 | wols_ | Gargantua: it's not what people told you to do |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | like tar -zcf bla/ blha.tar |
| 03:26.36 | abrotman | .gz |
| 03:26.43 | Dewi | Gargantua: a filename must follow the 'f' option |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | i can't type for shit |
| 03:26.46 | wols_ | abrotman: other way around |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | wols_: close enoguh! .. i just saidican't typel! |
| 03:26.57 | gbp | is it just me or is the delicious bookmarking website always slow? |
| 03:26.57 | gribouille | Guerin, did you use it already ? |
| 03:26.59 | abrotman | obviously :) |
| 03:27.06 | Gargantua | gah |
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| 03:27.47 | Guerin | gribouille: yes. |
| 03:27.51 | wols_ | abrotman: how long until it'S over? |
| 03:28.07 | abrotman | wols_: nine more outs .. maybe 30 minutes .. depends what happens |
| 03:28.26 | wols_ | not this game. the whole damn thing. when will be the ticker parade? |
| 03:28.34 | gribouille | Guerin, it uses apt-file to find dependencies, but apt-file find only packages which are in the distribution |
| 03:28.41 | iridos | thanks for the info, dalias |
| 03:28.44 | abrotman | wols_: if the sox win tonight .. it's over for the season |
| 03:28.53 | iridos | hm and |
| 03:29.03 | abrotman | wols_: it's not that bad :) |
| 03:29.13 | Gargantua | nooooo |
| 03:29.14 | Gargantua | :( |
| 03:29.16 | wols_ | baseball might not be, but you are :P |
| 03:29.20 | Gargantua | mah mouze |
| 03:29.26 | abrotman | wols_: hehe |
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| 03:30.13 | iridos | Dewi, it is not so mad to swap out processes for disk cache - some processes might stay unused to a really long time - so it is better for performance if they are swapped out after some time to get free memory back from them - even for disk cache |
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| 03:30.46 | axscode | apt-get install libncurses5-dev bison libssl-dev libnewt-dev zlib1g-dev procps gcc make binutils doxygen <--- hi this one is also updating my linux-headers to another version.. can you help me to disable installing linux-headers? |
| 03:30.59 | Gargantua | thanks for the help guys |
| 03:31.01 | Gargantua | bai |
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| 03:31.21 | Dewi | iridos: yeah, that can happen. it seems risky though |
| 03:31.26 | Nyle | 3-0 |
| 03:31.38 | Nyle | 7% [21 libgnome2-common 897375/984kB 91%] 2400B/s 11h8m38s |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | axscode: what's wrong with that ? |
| 03:31.50 | Nyle | thats a freakin sys upgrade |
| 03:32.31 | axscode | my kernel is 2.6.8-5, the header its installing is 2.6.8-7 , i have problem installing asterisk from source. |
| 03:32.39 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:33.00 | shogunx | Nyle why the 2400 baud modem? |
| 03:33.18 | abrotman | i can think of a few reasons |
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| 03:33.43 | gribouille | Guerin, are you here ? |
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| 03:35.29 | Nyle | my roommate just made choc chip cookies |
| 03:35.35 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 03:35.38 | Nyle | mmmm |
| 03:35.54 | DawnLight | what is the kioskrc file? |
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| 03:38.08 | wols_ | kiosk is a KDE app |
| 03:38.10 | wols_ | !kiosk |
| 03:38.11 | dpkg | it has been said that kiosk is /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
| 03:38.33 | axscode | apt-get install libncurses5-dev bison libssl-dev libnewt-dev zlib1g-dev procps gcc make binutils doxygen <--- hi this one is also updating my linux-headers to another version.. can you help me to disable installing linux-headers? |
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| 03:38.56 | wols_ | abrotman: you shouldn't run the old kernel anyways |
| 03:39.02 | wols_ | axscode: ^^ |
| 03:39.07 | abrotman | i'm not! |
| 03:40.03 | DawnLight | i'm reading /usr/share/doc/xfce4-session/README.Kiosk in finding out how to allow xfce4 users to shutdown |
| 03:41.21 | axscode | how am i suppose to do that? the apt only have -5 and the header is -7 |
| 03:41.24 | axscode | god |
| 03:41.38 | abrotman | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 03:42.06 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 03:42.20 | abrotman | !depends linux-headers-2.6-686 etch |
| 03:42.23 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6-686: depends on linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 03:42.33 | abrotman | axscode: paste the output of the command |
| 03:42.55 | axscode | correct, but when you tried to apt-get update, it gives you the new linux-header to -7 instead -5 |
| 03:42.58 | tremby | how do i have my kernel always updated? i just realised i'm still on 2.6.18 and that aptitude search linux-image shows much more recent ones |
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| 03:43.34 | abrotman | tremby: what's your CPU ? |
| 03:43.42 | tremby | abrotman: athlon xp |
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| 03:43.53 | abrotman | so you use the -k7 kernels ? |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | aptitude install linux-image-k7 |
| 03:44.08 | tremby | Linux perigee 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 17:54:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux, but i suppose i should |
| 03:44.16 | abrotman | okay .. so you use -686 |
| 03:44.17 | tremby | linux-image-k7 is always the most recent? |
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| 03:44.18 | abrotman | aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 03:44.30 | tremby | but /should/ i use k7? |
| 03:44.36 | abrotman | your call |
| 03:44.47 | tremby | i don't know anything about it -- do you? |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | either should work .. -k7 sounds more suited to your CPU |
| 03:45.06 | tremby | i'll do that then |
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| 03:46.58 | tremby | will the bootloader automatically be set to use the later kernel? it's a headless system so i can't see the boot menu |
| 03:47.05 | abrotman | it should |
| 03:47.09 | tremby | ok, thanks |
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| 03:50.24 | GmLB | what does it mean when build-dep gives me "E: Build-dependencies for netatalk could not be satisfied." |
| 03:50.49 | GmLB | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:57.19 | triplc | hi all |
| 03:57.41 | ryty | howdy |
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| 03:58.23 | triplc | (newbie need advice) what program (package) i need to use to do some simple task of PDF? I download several PDF files and want to combine them to make one big PDF file. |
| 03:58.44 | axscode | how to ln -s the header of -7 to -5 |
| 03:58.48 | axscode | anyone please? |
| 03:59.27 | abrotman | axscode: paste the output of your command |
| 03:59.37 | abrotman | there is no -7 in etch for the headers |
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| 04:00.39 | axscode | which command? |
| 04:00.40 | tremby | is there a way to restart the usb system? |
| 04:01.04 | axscode | killall usb |
| 04:01.06 | axscode | hehe.. kidding |
| 04:01.29 | abrotman | axscode: the one that you see a -7 in |
| 04:01.52 | axscode | well, i installed it anyway.. |
| 04:02.16 | axscode | my problem later is that im having kernel -5 and my header is -7, most likely the zaptel installation of asterisk |
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| 04:02.59 | triplc | (newbie need advice) what program (package) i need to use to do some simple task of PDF? I download several PDF files and want to combine them to make one big PDF file. I am using Synaptic to brow the packages related to PDF... but the list is so so long |
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| 04:03.04 | abrotman | axscode: SHOW US |
| 04:03.11 | gribouille | why do I have dh-make-perl 0.26 if the last version id 0.34 ? |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | axscode: i've told you a few times .. there's no -7 in etch |
| 04:03.27 | tremby | triplc: pdftk -- it's a commandline tool and very very good |
| 04:04.09 | triplc | tremby, thanks |
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| 04:12.27 | sf7_ | what's wrong with: apt-cache search *hc68* ? it's not returning everything containing 'hc68' |
| 04:13.01 | abrotman | you don't need the * at all |
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| 04:13.35 | sf7_ | apt-cache search hc68 doesnt find anything :/ |
| 04:13.43 | sf7_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.24 | triplc | q |
| 04:14.32 | abrotman | sf7_: how do you know that? |
| 04:14.51 | sf7_ | i installed a matching package yesterday |
| 04:14.56 | sf7_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.03 | sf7_ | i know hc68 was in the name |
| 04:15.10 | abrotman | you may not have the same sources |
| 04:15.21 | sf7_ | oh |
| 04:15.22 | abrotman | or you're missing a char ? |
| 04:15.27 | abrotman | or mistyped it ? |
| 04:15.36 | sf7_ | not (2) or (3) |
| 04:16.48 | simonrvn | abrotman: what you doing up at this time o' night? |
| 04:17.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: SOX WIN .. SOX WIN |
| 04:17.13 | simonrvn | ah, ok :) |
| 04:17.15 | abrotman | world series is over :) |
| 04:17.25 | simonrvn | oh, that kind of win |
| 04:17.34 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 04:17.49 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 04:25.32 | Nyle | hmm |
| 04:25.35 | niklauz | hi all. whats the best place to ask compiz questions? |
| 04:25.36 | Nyle | hey |
| 04:25.44 | Nyle | #compiz-fusion |
| 04:26.00 | niklauz | kthx :-) |
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| 04:36.23 | Nergar | hello |
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| 04:37.53 | Nergar | i just installed debian in my laptop with the netinstall cd but my mouse is WAY too slow, configuring it with the mouse properties does't work and neither gsynaptics, any ideas on how to speed i up? |
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| 04:38.38 | dondelelcaro | Nergar: are you using a touchpad or a real mouse? |
| 04:38.47 | Nergar | touchpad |
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| 04:39.54 | dondelelcaro | Nergar: and synclient -l; works, right? |
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| 04:40.23 | Nergar | yes, it throws a lot of info |
| 04:41.15 | Nergar | min speed is .09 and max is .18 accesl factor is .0015 |
| 04:41.35 | dondelelcaro | Nergar: heh. that's why |
| 04:41.44 | bullgard4 | What is the reason for the name 'dev' of the (pseudo) file /proc/net/dev? man netstat: "device information". I cannot detect any 'device information' in it. |
| 04:42.00 | dondelelcaro | Nergar: try something like synclient MinSpeed=0.2 MaxSpeed=1.5 AccelFactor=0.25; |
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| 04:42.39 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: cause it displays information about network devices, of course. |
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| 04:43.08 | Nergar | dondelelcaro, does synclient has a config file? |
| 04:43.15 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: if you don't have any network devices, then it won't display anything, but if you do, it shows things like number of packets sent, etc. |
| 04:43.30 | dondelelcaro | Nergar: synclient is just how you configure the X driver. |
| 04:43.35 | dondelelcaro | Nergar: man 5 synaptics; for details. |
| 04:43.44 | Nergar | ok thanx |
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| 04:43.53 | Vasistha | I think I'm going to create a partition that is for media -- audio and video files, as well as pictures. Would it be reasonable to use a larger-than-default block size? |
| 04:43.58 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: man proc; for details |
| 04:44.30 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: that really shouldn't matter; the main thing that you may consider is decreasing the number of inodes and the amount of reserved space. |
| 04:44.34 | Nergar | dondelelcaro, WOW! now it flies!!! |
| 04:44.37 | Nergar | lol |
| 04:44.56 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's the settings that I use; possibly too fast for some people |
| 04:44.58 | Nergar | i'll adjust this right but thanx a lot!! |
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| 04:45.37 | bullgard4 | dondelelcaro: I must have a bad day or not have slept enough: The number of packets sent is no 'device information' I believe. It is rather a communication information or a traffic information. What have I overlooked? |
| 04:45.45 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: thanks, I guess man mke2fs is the place to look! |
| 04:45.57 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: uh... it's information about what the device has done, of course. |
| 04:46.03 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: thus, device information |
| 04:46.09 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: yerp |
| 04:46.24 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: it even has some helpful suggestions |
| 04:46.54 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: yeah, looks like the -T option is what I want here. |
| 04:47.34 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: yeah; that sets reasonable defaults for you... I don't think I've ever actually used it, but it's a good starting point |
| 04:49.16 | bullgard4 | dondelelcaro: What seems 'of course' to you, appears rather as a misnomer to me, even after you told me your view on this file. -- Thank you for commenting. |
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| 04:50.46 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* at the end of the day, it's a name. Names have the meaning that the namer grants them. |
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| 04:52.47 | bullgard4 | dondelelcaro: Anyway, thank you that you were so kind and telling me your view on this matter. |
| 04:53.44 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: that's wise |
| 04:54.30 | Vasistha | hum. is median file size a reasonable number to use for the inode ratio? |
| 04:54.39 | Vasistha | (corrected to be a power of two, of course) |
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| 04:56.37 | Supaplex | !2**0 |
| 04:56.37 | dpkg | 1 |
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| 04:59.14 | blq | how can I check if my sound drivers are working? |
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| 05:01.07 | Vasistha | blq: try to play an audio file? |
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| 05:02.19 | Nergar | dondelelcaro, can you share all your synclient settings? touchpad is working better now but there are still some problems |
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| 05:03.28 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: for us, names of people they are given are in a traditional way are very important. it represents them as a person. |
| 05:03.50 | g3brown | Is there any way to speed up deleting large directories? For instance I have DVD and Blu-Ray movies on a server. When I delete them it takes several seconds (maybe 10 seconds to delete 4gb) |
| 05:04.20 | wols_ | what filesystem? |
| 05:04.34 | g3brown | wols_: using ext3 right now. |
| 05:04.51 | blq | Vasistha: I've no gui installed - I don't know how to play a sound via console |
| 05:04.52 | wols_ | e.g. I notice that my xfs partition takes ages to delete stuff |
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| 05:05.32 | wols_ | tho it was when I deleted via samba that it really was slow. so slow, the network link to the samba share sometimes stopped |
| 05:05.54 | g3brown | I don't have lots of linux exp, but with Windows I can delete 40 gb in an instant. With linux it is like I have to wait for it to actually erase it. |
| 05:06.02 | Vasistha | blq: well, there's mplayer, but you may not have that. hum. ``which mplayer'' and I'll see if I can find something that would be installed by default |
| 05:07.07 | g3brown | wols_: I thought samba might be my issue, but I've logged into the console before and deleted stuff. It might be a little faster, but there is still a noticable pause. |
| 05:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Nergar: http://websvn.donarmstrong.com/filedetails.php?repname=don&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fhome_modules%2Fx_base%2F.xsession_volo&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 05:07.15 | Nergar | thanx |
| 05:07.25 | blq | Vasistha: okay I installed mplayer - are there any soundfiles by default? |
| 05:07.43 | wols_ | !alsatest |
| 05:07.49 | wols_ | !alsacheck |
| 05:08.06 | Vasistha | blq: heh, I dunno! you should listen to wols_, though, he's got some better suggestions |
| 05:08.08 | wols_ | blq: cat <file> > /dev/dsp |
| 05:08.23 | wols_ | "better", I dunno :) |
| 05:08.32 | wols_ | tho I remember there was an alsacheck factoid |
| 05:08.59 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: listkeys alsa check |
| 05:09.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alsa check' by key (1): alsa checklist. |
| 05:09.02 | blq | wols_: sry, didn't notice that you were talking to me, SORRY! |
| 05:09.54 | wols_ | blq: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 05:10.46 | blq | thankyou, wols_ & Vasistha |
| 05:11.54 | luke | This may be a very obvious question, i dont know; but... I've got the Debian 4.0 + r1 DVD's - Does this represent the online "stable" repository? Like - the online "stable" repository doesn't change, does it? So my DVD's should be an exact replica? |
| 05:12.00 | luke | ... If that made sence? :p |
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| 05:12.38 | matt_the_faggot | anyone use debian mips? |
| 05:12.57 | simonrvn | 'sense', and the repo does change due to some types of bugs |
| 05:13.26 | simonrvn | the dvd would be a good base to start from for an install, then using the network to update to the latest fixes, etc. |
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| 05:14.29 | luke | simonrvn: :p Thanks for the typo correction! I've got the security updates repo active + sid, but i just wanted to know if i should also enable the "stable" repository, if it was being updated? - or is there no point with the DVD's? |
| 05:14.30 | simonrvn | luke: Not here. |
| 05:15.03 | darkwizard | how do i rename a dir in linux? |
| 05:15.03 | wols_ | if you have sid, then the stable repo is no use to you |
| 05:15.11 | wols_ | darkwizard: mv |
| 05:15.15 | wols_ | darkwizard: everything is a file |
| 05:15.30 | darkwizard | can i delete |
| 05:15.35 | darkwizard | a dir |
| 05:15.37 | matt_the_faggot | I read that the VINO (Video In, No Out) patches were included in the 2.6.15 kernel, but I don't know if Debian includes those patches in the kernel compiled with the MIPS distribution of Etch. Anyone know? Do I have to download the kernel source, apply the VINO patch and compile myself? |
| 05:15.51 | wols_ | if it's empty: yes. or use rm -rf (dangerous!) |
| 05:15.56 | Vasistha | luke: if you are asking such questions, you probably should not be using sid |
| 05:16.10 | luke | wols_: I don't really use sid, it's only for testing stuff... i still use good ol' 4.0, as it were :p |
| 05:16.16 | darkwizard | wols not empty |
| 05:16.28 | darkwizard | but still wanta delete it |
| 05:16.38 | wols_ | darkwizard: I told you what to use |
| 05:16.41 | Vasistha | darkwizard: to rename: use 'mv' just like you do for files. To remove dir, 'rmdir' |
| 05:17.04 | Vasistha | darkwizard: if dir not empty, 'rm -f' |
| 05:17.05 | wols_ | rm -rf will delete full directories too. which is why it's so dangerous |
| 05:17.14 | Vasistha | darkwizard: oops, that should be 'rm -r' |
| 05:17.33 | simonrvn | luke: why are you using sid with stable? |
| 05:17.49 | darkwizard | thank you |
| 05:17.50 | matt_the_faggot | I take it no one here runs Etch on a MIPS platform? Either that or Debian users are a bunch of homophobes. |
| 05:17.51 | wols_ | simonrvn: easiest way to hose the system. why else? |
| 05:18.11 | wols_ | matt_the_faggot: talk like that will get you a fast ignore here |
| 05:18.33 | darkwizard | so it is rm-r and dir name |
| 05:18.53 | simonrvn | insulting people is no way to get help |
| 05:18.54 | wols_ | darkwizard: how about you check the manpages? read a bit to expand your knowledge? |
| 05:19.14 | darkwizard | manpagees? |
| 05:19.17 | simonrvn | try #debian-mips here or on oftc (irc.oftc.net) |
| 05:19.19 | wols_ | man rm |
| 05:19.23 | luke | simonrvn: I have my preferences with apt, but no. I use "stable" - I just experiment with sid to test software, and usually keep the .debs for my local repository - I usually resore my system back to "stable" from an image |
| 05:19.27 | simonrvn | dunno if it actually exists |
| 05:19.44 | simonrvn | luke: ah |
| 05:19.57 | matt_the_faggot | thank you. I will try #debian-mips |
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| 05:20.35 | wols_ | generally: if something is in mainline kernel it'S in the debian kernel |
| 05:21.01 | simonrvn | who's generally? |
| 05:21.04 | simonrvn | :P |
| 05:21.43 | wols_ | the superior of corporeally |
| 05:21.57 | luke | I was wondering if my debian dvd's were a replica of the online debian repositorys, because I don't have a dvd drive in my laptop, as i removed it - so when I'm away from my external drive (aka - home) - I have to download packages from the web - I was wondering if there would be changes in packages from the stable repository, to my dvd's |
| 05:22.24 | matt_the_faggot | How can I check? Aside from looking at the source? I looked at the Debian changelog for the kernel and saw no reference to VINO support in there. |
| 05:22.26 | wols_ | luke: they are the same, but security.debian.org gets new packages all the time |
| 05:22.34 | Vasistha | luke: they were once a replica; but that was a long time ago -- there have been security updates since then. So the dvd's are a little bit out of date |
| 05:22.34 | prgmrchris | matt_the_faggot: whats the question |
| 05:22.39 | prgmrchris | ive run it on mips |
| 05:22.57 | simonrvn | ha, there ya go |
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| 05:23.46 | dondelelcaro | matt_the_faggot: uh... if they're included in 2.6.15+, they're included in etch, which shipped with 2.6.18 |
| 05:23.49 | luke | Vasistha / wols: Thats ok! :) Thanks heaps - I also download and maintain a local repo for all the security .debs, so thats never an issue |
| 05:23.56 | luke | Thanks for you help! :) |
| 05:23.59 | matt_the_faggot | prgmrchris: The question is whether VINO support is included in the standard Debian compile of the Etch kernel. |
| 05:24.06 | dondelelcaro | matt_the_faggot: since we ship the same kernel version with the same source on all architectures. |
| 05:24.15 | dondelelcaro | matt_the_faggot: then you can check the .config of the kernel that we ship if you want |
| 05:24.35 | prgmrchris | matt_the_faggot: no idea i dont use distro kernels, ive only used debian on embedded mips boards where i build my own kernels anyways |
| 05:24.49 | simonrvn | matt_the_faggot: don't take it personally when people don't answer you right away. could be any number of reasons why. a) don't know b) didn't see it c) other |
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| 05:25.09 | dondelelcaro | matt_the_faggot: http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ if you don't already have it |
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| 05:25.36 | jkitchen | lovely nick. |
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| 05:32.15 | luke | One (maybe more) question: Has anyone had trouble maintaining a wireless connection through network manager? |
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| 05:32.28 | luke | (Debian 4.0 - r1) |
| 05:33.03 | streuner | every tried google? ;-) |
| 05:33.09 | streuner | s/every/ever/ |
| 05:33.39 | streuner | search for in groups.google.com "Debian network-manager" |
| 05:34.03 | streuner | add etch or stable to the searchstring |
| 05:34.29 | streuner | luke: first time you configure wireless? |
| 05:34.30 | luke | streuner: I have looked - didn't help much :( I didn't know if it was my drivers, as i compiled the rt2500 drivers? will keep searching |
| 05:35.06 | streuner | often its just an issue with firmware... |
| 05:35.12 | luke | streuner: No - I'm use to dealing with good ol' Ndiswrapping :p |
| 05:35.24 | streuner | Debian doesnt ship them, because of legal issues (DFSG) |
| 05:35.32 | streuner | oh :-) |
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| 05:35.53 | Supaplex | matt_the_bunchofsticks what's the kernel option? did you check /boot/config* ? |
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| 05:38.32 | streuner | luke: /msg dpkg rt2x00 |
| 05:38.39 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.26 | Obligatory | Hi all, BTS question... |
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| 05:40.55 | Obligatory | Anyone noticed any bogus bug closings? Bug's #258468 closing and instant archiving seems unusual. |
| 05:41.21 | streuner | !dbugs 258468 |
| 05:41.24 | dpkg | DONE:#258468:W[lilo] 'lilo.conf' has too much 'speci'; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 20:18:07 UTC |
| 05:42.18 | Obligatory | streuner, yeah, but who's this "Gilda Horn"? |
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| 05:42.53 | Obligatory | streuner, context: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=29;bug=258468 |
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| 05:44.40 | streuner | why not just ask her/himself? |
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| 05:46.12 | Obligatory | streuner, Google for GH's email 'hoyt@ornery.com' -- it's not online. |
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| 05:47.28 | Obligatory | streuner, also the closing message sent to me has a spammish attachment "We offer mass sending letters via e-mail service."..etc. |
| 05:47.46 | Obligatory | No closing I've seen has ever had that. |
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| 05:53.10 | MaliutaWrk | anyone know if it's possible to get the netinstaller to do serial console? |
| 05:53.29 | Obligatory | streuner, Aha, here's a copy of the attachment online: http://www.nabble.com/Bug-258437%3A-Internet-advertising-tf4701602.html |
| 05:53.47 | g3brown | I could use some help writing a udev rule. |
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| 05:55.19 | Obligatory | streuner, also this shows three more: http://www.nabble.com/user/UserPosts.jtp?user=950327 -- sure looks like spam. |
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| 05:57.16 | OXIj | I wrote here yesterday about kvm and that jfs fails in it. i solved the problem with compiling new kernel. so bug was in standart debian kernel 2.6.22-2 |
| 05:57.25 | Zaurus | I want some help on recompiling the kernel |
| 05:58.06 | OXIj | make-kpkg is your friend |
| 05:58.45 | Zaurus | are there special points in menuconfig? |
| 05:58.54 | OXIj | no |
| 05:59.59 | OXIj | im compile all i can into modules. than boot. check lsmod. recompiling with all used modules compiled in. thats all |
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| 06:00.45 | Obligatory | Revised request for comments. Apparently a spammer has found a way to make the BTS close bugs. INADD and am curious what's the best way to proceed. |
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| 06:01.17 | OXIj | and now im going to univ... |
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| 06:02.17 | Obligatory | Ahem, "IANADD"... |
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| 06:08.42 | kenjy_ | how can I send files to my palm without a SD card, Irda port, Wifi or Bluethoot access? |
| 06:09.21 | infinity_ | usb |
| 06:09.33 | kenjy_ | how can I send files to my palm without a SD card, Irda port, Wifi or Bluethoot access? Only with my USB cable, can you help me? |
| 06:09.50 | kenjy_ | infinity_ how can I send a picture to the palm using my usb cable |
| 06:10.02 | kenjy_ | from debian :P |
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| 06:11.39 | infinity_ | how do you eat without puting food in your mouth? |
| 06:12.34 | infinity_ | i have no idea man. i have wm6 :) |
| 06:12.42 | infinity_ | and i use it with vista |
| 06:12.47 | infinity_ | so its all good :) |
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| 06:13.30 | infinity_ | not sure how much longer palmos is going to be around |
| 06:13.48 | infinity_ | seems like its only on the treo, and everyone with a treo is switching it wm6 ...soo ... |
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| 06:18.46 | jackle | Good day/morning everyone |
| 06:18.56 | cyberjames | morning jackle |
| 06:19.03 | jackle | I trust everyones Monday is going well :) |
| 06:19.50 | Azar | Sunday night here |
| 06:19.55 | jackle | wow |
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| 06:20.12 | jackle | One of our admins was very friendly and compiled his own kernel for a firewall.. without iptables :/ |
| 06:20.40 | Manoj | that must be embarrassing |
| 06:20.59 | kenjy_ | no way to do this? |
| 06:21.19 | jackle | As I'm more used to precompiled kernels (havent compiled one in 3 years).. should I mark iptables/netfilter Xtables Support (and it's associates) as modules or built in? |
| 06:21.37 | infinity_ | jackle: firewall without iptables? eh? |
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| 06:21.52 | Manoj | jackle: I tend to keep 'em as modules |
| 06:22.07 | jackle | yeah .. well.. he didn't reboot the server |
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| 06:22.19 | jackle | Ok, thanks Manoj |
| 06:23.45 | Obligatory | Third try at fishing for comments. Apparently a spammer, "Gilda Horn", has found a way to make the BTS close bugs. Would this be a bug, or is anyone official dealing with the general problem? |
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| 06:24.53 | Manoj | Obligatory: closing bugs is easy; the spammer just sends to the ####-done address |
| 06:25.19 | Manoj | Obligatory: when someone notices, they'll just reopen the bug. Or you can do it, too, since you noticed already |
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| 06:25.55 | Obligatory | Manoj, thanks! For some reason I always thought it had to be the maintainer or reporter. |
| 06:26.46 | Manoj | Obligatory: nah, it is fairly informal. Which is why the spammer can close bugs .... |
| 06:27.05 | dobby | hy i've got a big problem on my debian. I have 4 sleep 1 processes. And I dont know how to kill them. Because they are always changing pid? Can someone help me with that? How do I know where the processes come from? |
| 06:27.42 | Manoj | dobby: you have other users on your machine? |
| 06:27.58 | dobby | Manoj: no just me |
| 06:28.14 | Manoj | dobby: sounds like someone playing a prank, which means you might have been, umm, compromised. |
| 06:28.26 | Manoj | dobby: who owns the process? |
| 06:28.30 | dobby | root |
| 06:28.49 | dobby | but it just happens after a system upgrade |
| 06:29.06 | Ranpha1 | can you pasue a hasing progres by a simple command like ctrl-b? |
| 06:29.43 | Manoj | dobby: I have never heard of a normal system upgrade creating processes that just sleep. and if they keep changing pid's, it sounds like a forkbomb |
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| 06:30.14 | Manoj | Ranpha1: what is a hasing progres? |
| 06:30.53 | dobby | hmm forkbomb sh** thtat doesend sounds good |
| 06:30.53 | Manoj | dobby: I suggest you reboot, if possible, and disconnect the network connection while the machine is down, and investigate further |
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| 06:31.12 | Obligatory | dobby: waitasecond.... do they change PID before you kill them? |
| 06:31.19 | dobby | yes |
| 06:31.22 | Ranpha1 | Manoj: hehe lol was supposed to write hashing, but is that a english word? I mean doing a checksum on the system |
| 06:31.31 | Manoj | dobby: /var/log/dpkg.log should have the list of whatever got updated |
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| 06:31.50 | Obligatory | dobby: how are you observing the processes, in 'top' or what? |
| 06:32.00 | dobby | ps -ef |
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| 06:32.10 | Manoj | Ranpha1: from the same console/xterm you started it from you can try C-c |
| 06:32.14 | Obligatory | dobby: do you have 'htop'? |
| 06:32.25 | dobby | no should I install it? |
| 06:32.39 | Ranpha1 | Manoj C-c but that terminates the progress right? |
| 06:32.43 | Obligatory | dobby, it's very helpful for this sort of thing. |
| 06:32.48 | Manoj | dobby: if you have 4 processes running sleep and forking off children, probably not a good idea |
| 06:33.11 | Manoj | once you have the machine secured, installing htop would be good |
| 06:33.27 | dobby | okay :_) |
| 06:33.28 | Manoj | Ranpha1: C-z should pause it |
| 06:33.42 | Manoj | Ranpha1: you are correct, C-c was not the thing to do |
| 06:33.49 | Obligatory | Manoj, if it's a forkbomb you're right. I'm inclined to be less hasty, but whatever... |
| 06:33.54 | Ranpha1 | Manoj and how to continue? |
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| 06:34.44 | Manoj | Ranpha1: fg |
| 06:34.58 | Manoj | Ranpha1: for foreground |
| 06:35.16 | Manoj | Obligatory: better safe than sorry, is my motto |
| 06:35.24 | Ranpha1 | Manoj neat, thanks you saved me |
| 06:35.38 | Manoj | Ranpha1: np |
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| 06:36.48 | sridhar | i need to change my shell from tcsh to bash????????? how?? |
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| 06:37.02 | Manoj | sridhar: man chsh |
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| 06:39.11 | sridhar | Manoj : i used chsh and change it to /bin/bash, but still it's showing echo $SHELL is "tcsh" |
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| 06:39.43 | Manoj | sridhar: did you logout and login again? |
| 06:39.57 | Manoj | chsh only changes shells for future logins |
| 06:40.03 | sridhar | no |
| 06:40.07 | sridhar | k |
| 06:40.15 | sridhar | thanks |
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| 06:42.08 | streuner | Manoj: bored today? :-) |
| 06:42.22 | Manoj | streuner: can't sleep :) |
| 06:42.30 | streuner | try some beer |
| 06:42.37 | streuner | it helps me to find sleep |
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| 06:45.56 | [tor] | Hi, when i have multiple toolchains installed. How is the target link of gcc,g++ changed? Is that something i do manually? (It does not seem to be done using aternatives) |
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| 06:47.02 | Manoj | I think it is the gcc postinst that manages the link directly |
| 06:47.15 | Manoj | ls -als /usr/bin/gcc* is instructuve |
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| 06:47.49 | [tor] | Ok, so its up to to me to alter it then? |
| 06:47.56 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2007-09-05 10:47 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.2 |
| 06:48.40 | streuner | as Manoj already told you apt-get install <foo> just alter the symlink to the last installed gcc package... |
| 06:48.59 | [tor] | Ok, thx. |
| 06:49.05 | streuner | !gcc |
| 06:49.05 | dpkg | the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever" |
| 06:49.51 | [tor] | streuner: yeah, it was exactly that stuff i wanted to avoid. Having to manually specify which one all the time. |
| 06:49.54 | litage|w | i've compiled some software (zaptel) and am trying to install it. however, the error "install: missing destination file operand after `/usr/share/man/man8/'" keeps occuring. what can i do to fix it?: http://rafb.net/p/mPEWOY15.html |
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| 06:51.13 | streuner | [nick@fedora7 zaptel]$ sudo make install |
| 06:51.22 | streuner | you are using fedora? |
| 06:51.33 | Manoj | litage|w: makefile error |
| 06:51.56 | Manoj | there should be install F00.8 /usr/share/man/man8/ |
| 06:52.18 | Manoj | install -m 644 /usr/share/man/man8/ |
| 06:52.40 | Manoj | install _what_ to /usr/share/man/man8/ with mode 0644? |
| 06:54.37 | gbp | quick q/n, what is the significance of a + at the start of an /etc/passwd entry? |
| 06:54.52 | Manoj | NIS is in use? |
| 06:54.56 | gbp | rgr |
| 06:55.16 | gbp | + at the start of every nis authenticated user? |
| 06:55.32 | Manoj | gbp: no, + means insert entries from NIS in here |
| 06:55.55 | gbp | kk i better go google it, thanks |
| 06:56.14 | Manoj | if you have a + before a username, then most likely it is a typo |
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| 06:59.04 | bullgard4 | The history command associates a number to a line of command text which I typed previously. What is the name or identifier of this number? I could not find it in 'man history'. |
| 06:59.23 | Manoj | which shell? |
| 06:59.45 | Manoj | (I think the number starts from 1 at the beginning of a login session) |
| 06:59.56 | Manoj | and is incremented for each command |
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| 07:00.17 | simonrvn | %XX; !!, !-XX |
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| 07:00.29 | simonrvn | er, forget the % |
| 07:00.36 | solid_liq | could any of you check this site and tell me if it looks good to you? http://solid.linux-coders.org/ |
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| 07:10.17 | bullgard4 | solid_liq: My Epiphany displays this website correctly. |
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| 07:14.22 | axscode | hi, my ifconfig says. eth1: Promiscuous mode enabled. why is that? can someone help me? |
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| 07:15.26 | dondelelcaro | axscode: that just means that the interface will receive all packets that impinge on it instead of just those specifically destined for your card. |
| 07:15.44 | dondelelcaro | (generally if you run something like dhclient or tcpdump this will happen) |
| 07:16.08 | bullgard4 | axscode: www: "A mode in which a network device listens to all addresses, not just its own." |
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| 07:17.35 | M0useP0t4t0 | Hi, I'm on 'Etch'. I run 'utorrent' under wine & have had no problems till now. I recently upgraded wine & now everytime I 'exit' from Utorrent, it seems the exe file gets lost somehow, what gives? |
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| 07:20.43 | M0useP0t4t0 | I have 'wine' & 'libwine' installed, also if I try to install 'wine-utils' which depends on wine & libwine, but insists on uninstalling both packages & gives me erros that it can not install because it depends on wine & libwine |
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| 07:23.09 | sandrot | so can you specify compile flags for certain packages? |
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| 07:23.21 | sandrot | erm, guess apt-get is all binary eh? |
| 07:23.30 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: yes, if you rebuild them, but there's generally little point |
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| 07:24.17 | rmrfchik | debian kernel is build "for server (low HZ, not preemtive and so on)". is there kernel for desktop? |
| 07:24.47 | sf7 | how do I ask apt for the list of files it just installed? |
| 07:24.50 | dondelelcaro | rmrfchik: no, but you can easily build one |
| 07:25.03 | dondelelcaro | sf7: dpkg -L foopkg; for each of the packages which were just installed. |
| 07:25.31 | dondelelcaro | rmrfchik: but unless you're doing very specific things, the default kernel is good enough |
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| 07:26.22 | rmrfchik | I do very specific ;) I do play ETQW, which recommends high HZ and other desktop things... |
| 07:27.06 | sep | rmrfchik, ask dpkg about kernel package to get started. |
| 07:27.32 | dondelelcaro | I rather doubt that setting the interrupt frequency higher and making the kernel pre-emptible is going to do much for Enemy Territory, but feel free to build one for yourself. |
| 07:27.32 | sandrot | is there an rss feed for security updates? |
| 07:27.58 | rmrfchik | sep, I know how to rebuild kernel. and did it. but I prefer to "apt-get update|install linux-image..." ;) |
| 07:28.12 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 07:28.44 | dondelelcaro | (though I'd personally just subscribe to the mailing list) |
| 07:30.11 | sandrot | hmm, is staying up to date as easy as running aptitude update? |
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| 07:31.53 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: if you have a security line in your sources.list and couple that with aptitude upgrade; yes. |
| 07:33.00 | sandrot | dondelelcaro: so, I haven't updated in a bit and seems security advisories happen every day, does aptitude update only try to update the packages I have installed which actually need updating? |
| 07:33.45 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: yes |
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| 07:33.55 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: you are running aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; right? |
| 07:34.06 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: what does apt-cache policy; say? |
| 07:34.15 | dotz | hi how do i find out which device is my cdrom? ? |
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| 07:34.40 | sandrot | yeah, upgrade...checking caceh |
| 07:34.42 | sandrot | cach |
| 07:34.43 | sandrot | cache |
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| 07:34.59 | dondelelcaro | dotz: generally it's symlinked from /dev/cdrom, but if not, dmesg will tell you |
| 07:35.22 | sandrot | hm, policy says a few things =) |
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| 07:35.49 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: the important thing is that you should have a line like http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 07:36.28 | sandrot | sure do =) |
| 07:36.57 | dotz | dondelelcaro: hi.. i have a dvd-rom-rw.. i am trying to dvd+rw-format -force /dev/cdrom but it says mounted media doesn't appear to be dvd+rw hmm |
| 07:38.00 | dondelelcaro | sandrot: then you should get security updates automatically; if you want to check, dpkg -l iceweasel; should give you some version ending in etch1 |
| 07:38.22 | dotz | ok i insert a blank dvd already |
| 07:38.35 | dotz | mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom -t iso9660 --> mount: No medium found |
| 07:38.51 | dondelelcaro | it'd have to be a formatted dvd |
| 07:39.15 | dondelelcaro | you can try by just sticking a normal cd or dvd which you know works into that drive and mounting it |
| 07:39.20 | dotz | ok its a new blank dvd.. so i dvd+rw-format -force /dev/cdrom |
| 07:39.27 | dotz | but it says mounted media doesn't appear to be dvd |
| 07:40.29 | dondelelcaro | dunno; I don't use the media formating stuff for dvds. |
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| 07:42.25 | ameyer | dotz: /dev/dvdrw perhaps? |
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| 07:44.12 | dotz | oh my bad i don't think its a writeable drive |
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| 07:58.13 | bullgard4 | The history command associates a number to a line of command text which I typed previously. What is the name or identifier of this number? I could not find it in 'man history'. |
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| 08:00.25 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 08:04.12 | DawnLight | yo |
| 08:04.49 | Supaplex | !moo |
| 08:04.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 08:07.10 | liable | anyone know how to enter a username and password into links for setting up cups? it doesnt seem to open a window or space for entering it |
| 08:07.47 | DawnLight | right... |
| 08:07.47 | DawnLight | my usb flash thingy isn't working... :( should i hit it with my cell phone? |
| 08:08.58 | DawnLight | liable: like an https password? try another browser perhaps |
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| 08:10.14 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 08:10.17 | Ace2016 | how do you jack into a process? |
| 08:10.26 | DawnLight | with a crowbar |
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| 08:10.34 | liable | DawnLight: /me smacks heads, forgot i had links2 and that opened the dialog bit for password :) |
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| 08:11.16 | DawnLight | liable: thats what you get for smacking your head many times |
| 08:11.38 | Ace2016 | say you launch a program from konsole or a terminal, then you see its output, say ping google.com you see the output, but if you use alt+f2 and launch it then you don't see output, so if a program has been started using alt+f2 how do i later pipe(?) its output into a console window as if it had been initially run from a console window |
| 08:12.18 | DawnLight | Ace2016: no can do unless you use screen or something |
| 08:12.31 | DawnLight | !screen |
| 08:12.31 | dpkg | somebody said screen was allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
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| 08:15.42 | uzer | ive had someone gain access to my debian machine a few times, the system is my internet firewall and webserver, i only have ssh,ftp and apache open to the public, which is likely the culprit or is there anyone that can help me out with securing my system? |
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| 08:16.10 | DawnLight | uzer: don't trust that system again |
| 08:16.34 | uzer | DawnLight: what do you suggest? |
| 08:16.43 | DawnLight | uzer: wipe it |
| 08:17.05 | uzer | DawnLight: thats not practical |
| 08:17.32 | DawnLight | would be unwise to do otherwise |
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| 08:17.42 | DawnLight | security-wise |
| 08:18.03 | rmaj | my debian seems to fall appart |
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| 08:18.09 | uzer | yes i understand thats the easiest solution if the machine wasnt constantly in use |
| 08:18.11 | rmaj | 1) kwallet problem (sometimes hangs, recently kded crash), gqview do not show any images |
| 08:18.18 | DawnLight | rmaj: :/ |
| 08:18.45 | DawnLight | uzer: it is the only solution security-wise |
| 08:18.50 | ameyer | uzer: I'd guess ssh brute-forcing |
| 08:19.12 | uzer | ameyer: thats what i thought at first, then i found a ssh throttling iptables howto on the internet |
| 08:19.22 | rmaj | I use 1 year old software and still (in testing) I get suddently bugs rendering many programs totally unusable.. O_o |
| 08:19.40 | rmaj | uzer: moving ssh port is also a common solution |
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| 08:19.41 | uzer | ameyer: i was limiting ssh connections to like 2 tries a minute and after 5 false connections, put on a 24 hour BL |
| 08:19.51 | DawnLight | uzer: if PasswordAuthentication was enabled (debian default), then it doesn't take much time to break it some times |
| 08:20.05 | baggend | can anyone suggest a good tool to monitor the network usage of individual hosts behind a Debian-based firewall/router? |
| 08:20.09 | uzer | PaswordAuthentican is enabled |
| 08:20.13 | Ace2016 | DawnLight: seriously? that sucks, thats such an amazing idea that i tought it would already exist |
| 08:20.18 | baggend | Something like bwm but with a per-host breakdown. |
| 08:20.38 | DawnLight | Ace2016: screen exists |
| 08:20.49 | ameyer | uzer: the webserver running php? |
| 08:20.52 | DawnLight | uzer: use key authentication |
| 08:20.53 | Ace2016 | yea but still i thought i wouldn't need third party apps |
| 08:20.56 | uzer | ameyer: yes it is |
| 08:21.07 | ameyer | bingo, that's your culprit |
| 08:21.18 | rmaj | anyone else have problems with kwalletmanager / kwallet using programs crashing? |
| 08:21.18 | DawnLight | Ace2016: screen isn't third party. it is GNU |
| 08:21.21 | ameyer | (not really, it's an old joke) |
| 08:21.25 | uzer | doesnt apache run unpriveleged? |
| 08:21.26 | axscode | <bullgard4> axscode: www: "A mode in which a network device listens to all addresses, not just its own." |
| 08:21.34 | axscode | how to turnoff promicuous mode? |
| 08:21.51 | DawnLight | Ace2016: i would like that built into the system, also |
| 08:21.54 | uzer | is there a way to generate new ssh keys |
| 08:23.04 | axscode | how to turnof ifconfig promicuous mode. i think my eth1 and eth0 is bridged.. how can i remove the bridge... can you help me please. |
| 08:23.14 | DawnLight | rmaj: is kded taking all the CPU? |
| 08:23.14 | DawnLight | uzer: there is a guide in debian-administration.org |
| 08:23.14 | DawnLight | uzer: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 |
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| 08:23.27 | DawnLight | axscode: who bridged it? |
| 08:23.40 | ameyer | uzer: I assume you mean someone got root |
| 08:23.50 | Ace2016 | i know i thought it would be a built in component of bash so that anything running in a bash terminal could be asked by another terminal to show its output, unless the app says only 1 output or locks it so that it does not output to anything other that what initially ran the command |
| 08:24.18 | uzer | ameyer: im guessing so, they created a user, its happend 2 or 3 times, the first time root password was changed, the latter it wasnt |
| 08:24.21 | Ace2016 | other than* |
| 08:24.45 | DawnLight | Ace2016: screen would be useful for all your bash sessions. some people say they can't live without it |
| 08:25.01 | uzer | im skeptical of how it happened the last time, i had ssh throttling in place, and i changed my root password to something crazy |
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| 08:26.14 | DawnLight | uzer: 1. delete that system. 2. delete that system. 3. use key and not PA in ssh |
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| 08:26.21 | Ace2016 | !screen |
| 08:26.22 | dpkg | somebody said screen was allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
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| 08:26.54 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 08:26.59 | DawnLight | !tell Ace2016 about self-tell |
| 08:27.08 | Ace2016 | i was hoping dpkg would give me a howto on how to use it |
| 08:27.30 | axscode | DawnLight: im not the one for sure... its a device.. im trying to get in... i want to wget inside. thing is.. when i ifconfig its says promicuous mode |
| 08:27.36 | DawnLight | Ace2016: you'd have to read the doc. it is worth it |
| 08:27.38 | Ace2016 | !tell me screen |
| 08:28.31 | Ace2016 | !tell me about screen |
| 08:28.32 | DawnLight | axscode: bridges are ifaces that are named br* |
| 08:28.43 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 08:28.58 | DawnLight | Ace2016: just /msg dpkg screen |
| 08:29.30 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:29.54 | Ace2016 | so know a good tutuorial on screen or using it with a bash script so i can screen to it? |
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| 08:30.50 | DawnLight | Ace2016: but /msg doesn't get sent to the channel |
| 08:30.59 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 08:31.21 | thedonvaughn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.47 | DawnLight | Ace2016: i've used a tutorial to get to know screen |
| 08:31.51 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
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| 08:32.04 | Ace2016 | where is the tutorial? |
| 08:32.17 | Zaurus | I want some help on recompiling a huge-smp kernel |
| 08:32.29 | DawnLight | Ace2016: didn't bookmark |
| 08:32.46 | Zaurus | anyone knows? |
| 08:32.53 | DawnLight | !tell Zaurus about kernel compile |
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| 08:33.02 | DawnLight | Zaurus: thats all i know :) |
| 08:33.24 | Ace2016 | huge meaning with as much compiled in as possible? or is it a term to define a specific characteristic of the kernel |
| 08:33.25 | Zaurus | ? |
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| 08:33.56 | Zaurus | the name of my kernel contains "huge" |
| 08:36.09 | Ace2016 | custom kernel? |
| 08:36.09 | axscode | DawnLight: i already removed the br, and eth0 is a member of it.. but still i cannot use the eth0.. maybe still in promicuous mode.. but theres no warning when i tried ifconfig after i remove the br |
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| 08:36.34 | DawnLight | axscode: do you know how to use the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 08:36.47 | axscode | what are rcm0.777, rcm0.3031 Links? |
| 08:37.16 | axscode | DawnLight: sorry its a device.. though i have busybox on it |
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| 08:39.02 | Zaurus | Ace2016, yep |
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| 08:39.44 | DawnLight | when i type shutdown now, at some point i am getting an error. something about /etc/init.d/rc exiting outside the expected code flow |
| 08:39.44 | DawnLight | axscode: you mean its not a debian box? |
| 08:40.10 | Zaurus | Ace2016, the current kernel does't support my ACPI |
| 08:40.11 | Ace2016 | when i type sudo shutdown now it just halts and doesn't turn off like in ubuntu |
| 08:40.51 | axscode | DawnLight i dont know whats on it. |
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| 08:40.57 | Ace2016 | yea i had to compile 2.6.23 to get stuff to work like lcd brightness buttons |
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| 08:42.07 | axscode | is there anyway i can check whats the distro of this |
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| 08:42.18 | axscode | theres no /etc/issue |
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| 08:42.24 | axscode | uname -a dont appear anything |
| 08:42.27 | DawnLight | Ace2016: you're not running the kernel with acpi=off, right? |
| 08:42.36 | axscode | i mean just the common.. but without distro |
| 08:42.45 | Ace2016 | nope its a laptop so it needs acpi doesn't it? |
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| 08:43.27 | DawnLight | Ace2016: it can work without it, i'd assume |
| 08:44.14 | DawnLight | Ace2016: is there a /proc/acpi/? |
| 08:44.24 | htaccess_ | hi my quote/double quote key is mapped incorrectly as ¨ and ` i need regular quotes back, running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not fix the problem ... any suggestions? |
| 08:44.31 | axscode | do you know whats rcm0 ? |
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| 08:44.47 | Ace2016 | yup thats there |
| 08:45.05 | moope1 | How tricky would it be to make a debian install on a usb stick. |
| 08:45.23 | moope1 | & is it a good idea to have it on the usb stick perminantly? |
| 08:45.31 | sridhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.39 | axscode | whats rcm0 ? anyone knows about it? it appears as an ifdevice on my ifconfig |
| 08:46.07 | Ace2016 | first does your current or the computer its going to run on support booting from usb? |
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| 08:46.36 | DawnLight | sridhar: are you using debian? |
| 08:46.45 | moope1 | Ace2016: I would assume so, Its a brand new dell server |
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| 08:46.50 | sridhar | yes |
| 08:47.26 | DawnLight | sridhar: good. you need to boot grub from a floppy/cd/usb |
| 08:47.34 | JohnQP | How does /etc/resolv.conf get populated when using dns servers from a DHCP server? |
| 08:48.03 | DawnLight | JohnQP: what do you want to do? |
| 08:48.15 | sridhar | where do i get that grub ?? |
| 08:48.25 | cydork | !tell sridhar -about fixmbr |
| 08:48.31 | DawnLight | !grub |
| 08:48.31 | dpkg | grub is probably the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
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| 08:49.08 | Ace2016 | moope1: i googled and found this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
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| 08:49.47 | JohnQP | Im using dnsmasq, and it suggests adding 127.0.0.1 to my resolv.conf, but if I do that, it will be overwritten next time I release and renew my dhcp from comcast.. To solve this I need to do one of two things.. Either put the DHCP dns servers into a different file, or have it be populated with 127.0.0.1 no? |
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| 08:50.05 | cydork | !fixresolvconf |
| 08:50.05 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. |
| 08:50.29 | Ace2016 | meh, hp sucks, battery info shows: design capacity: 6000 mAh, last full capacity: 4384 mAh |
| 08:50.43 | cydork | JohnQP: i suggest resolvconf |
| 08:51.19 | liable | yay, fixed the incalcitrant printer |
| 08:51.37 | DawnLight | when i type shutdown now, at some point i am getting an error. something about /etc/init.d/rc exiting outside the expected code flow |
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| 08:52.22 | JohnQP | cydork: and what causes resolvconf to run when the interface renews a dhcp address? |
| 08:52.31 | sridhar | cydork: && DawnLight: thanks |
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| 08:54.06 | moope1 | If Im going to be running debian from a usb stick, should it have any effect on performance? the debian in question is only going to do some samba, maybe some mysql + apache. |
| 08:54.28 | cydork | JohnQP: yes. |
| 08:54.44 | JohnQP | ... that wasn't a yes/no question :-) |
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| 08:54.59 | cydork | bahh i misread :P |
| 08:55.06 | axscode | if mysql, yes, also apache it uses /tmp,... |
| 08:55.24 | axscode | moope1: not really much if you have a couple of user.. |
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| 08:56.02 | cydork | JohnQP: check man resolvconf it explains it. |
| 08:57.03 | JohnQP | strangely, I don't have that manpage |
| 08:57.28 | cydork | JohnQP: install resolvconf, it will add some hooks to your interfaces file. |
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| 08:58.53 | JohnQP | So then how does it work currently without resolvconf? Somehow renewing a dhcp address causes changes in the resolv.conf |
| 08:59.44 | JohnQP | Ah I found it. nevermind. |
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| 09:00.14 | cydork | JohnQP: your dhcpclient does that. |
| 09:00.26 | JohnQP | Indeed it does :-) |
| 09:00.46 | DawnLight | unbelieveable. online with link quality 4 |
| 09:00.47 | DawnLight | this atheros chip is awesome |
| 09:00.53 | DawnLight | moope1: no doubt |
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| 09:05.10 | Supaplex | !coffee cydork |
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| 09:06.37 | Ace2016 | JohnQP: this should work, edit /sbin/dhclient-script and comment out the resolv.conf generation process like the guy here did: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=482412&postcount=14 |
| 09:06.50 | cydork | Supaplex: thanks :) |
| 09:07.07 | Supaplex | np :) |
| 09:07.14 | plundra | Any idea why /dev/null would be broken, in my deboostrap target? |
| 09:07.22 | JohnQP | Ace2016: Ah, thanks |
| 09:07.41 | plundra | The device is there, with same major/minor etc. as the regular one. |
| 09:08.14 | plundra | I get this behaviour, both with lenny and etch (figured it could have been something broken in lenny at the time), http://pastebin.ca/753493 |
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| 09:10.03 | redduck686 | how do i determie with which flags a certain package was compiled? |
| 09:11.42 | DawnLight | when i type shutdown now, at some point i am getting an error. something about /etc/init.d/rc exiting outside the expected code flow |
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| 09:12.15 | liable | DawnLight: the actual error will be much more helpfull |
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| 09:13.30 | DawnLight | yo dj |
| 09:13.38 | DeFirence | lol |
| 09:13.39 | liable | DawnLight: try running its init script with 'bash -x' in halt mode |
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| 09:14.02 | reZo | is there a way to resize screen to the size of your current resolution? |
| 09:14.13 | reZo | instead of keeping the host of the screen seasion's? |
| 09:14.15 | john_scrotum | lol |
| 09:14.24 | DawnLight | liable: what? |
| 09:14.53 | DawnLight | DeFirence: how's the stream server goin |
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| 09:15.11 | DeFirence | good good |
| 09:15.17 | DeFirence | everythings working no |
| 09:15.22 | DeFirence | now* |
| 09:15.30 | DeFirence | we buying the server in the uk on thursday |
| 09:15.31 | DawnLight | reZo: what are you talking about |
| 09:15.31 | DeFirence | :) |
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| 09:15.42 | DeFirence | then i gotta redo everything :P |
| 09:15.44 | DawnLight | DeFirence: whats the plan? |
| 09:15.56 | john_scrotum | lol |
| 09:15.57 | DeFirence | which plan? |
| 09:16.02 | sticky | john_scrotum: I like your name |
| 09:16.28 | john_scrotum | lol |
| 09:16.36 | DawnLight | DeFirence: whats the server for? |
| 09:16.42 | redduck686 | how do i determie with which flags a certain package was compiled? |
| 09:16.44 | jkitchen | but whatever, that's what ignore is for, eh? |
| 09:16.46 | reZo | DawnLight: you know the application "screen"? i have a different resolution on my server then i do on my client, i want my client to resize the screen session to fit it's monitor resolution, while keeping the server's resolution the same |
| 09:16.50 | reZo | is that possible |
| 09:16.52 | DeFirence | our online radio station :) |
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| 09:17.17 | reZo | if i open a terminal, start screen, with the resolution of 800x600 |
| 09:17.20 | reZo | then go to another machine |
| 09:17.22 | john_a_scrotum | This is actually my full name. |
| 09:17.26 | DeFirence | hope u gonna listen to my shows DawnLight :P |
| 09:17.33 | reZo | connect to that screen session, with the resolution of 1024x768 |
| 09:17.42 | DawnLight | reZo: i don't know |
| 09:17.45 | reZo | i want to be able to resize the resolution so it fits perfect on both screens |
| 09:17.50 | reZo | both monitors sorry |
| 09:17.52 | reZo | okay |
| 09:18.28 | DawnLight | reZo: screen is well documented |
| 09:18.36 | reZo | okay, i'll check the docs then |
| 09:18.38 | reZo | cheers |
| 09:18.51 | john_a_scrotum | Named after the first Prime Minister of Canada: Sir John A. Scrotum. |
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| 09:19.05 | DawnLight | DeFirence: what did you end up using for the streaming |
| 09:19.41 | DeFirence | mp3pro |
| 09:19.52 | DawnLight | is that in debian? |
| 09:20.16 | DeFirence | mite use a acc codec for a webplayer still.. |
| 09:20.19 | DeFirence | ya it is |
| 09:20.37 | DawnLight | my faith in debian is restored |
| 09:20.42 | DeFirence | still trying to get nx working on debian though :( |
| 09:20.45 | JohnQP | Ace2016: it seems that /etc/dhcpcd.sh is the one I need. |
| 09:21.03 | DawnLight | DeFirence: freenx no good? |
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| 09:22.01 | DeFirence | nope |
| 09:22.10 | DeFirence | makes the same error |
| 09:22.18 | DeFirence | and doesnt even work to begin with :P |
| 09:22.50 | DawnLight | DeFirence: did you try on another arch? |
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| 09:23.19 | john_a_scrotum | Anyone here use polipo? I was thinking of switching from squid to polipo. |
| 09:24.01 | DeFirence | nope |
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| 09:25.46 | john_a_scrotum | How about Debian-MIPS? I'm in the process of compiling a 2.6.23.1 kernel at the moment. Have a feeling it's going to take a very long time on a 150MHz SGI Indy with 64MB of RAM. Days, I'm guessing. |
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| 09:27.05 | liable | john_a_scrotum: why dont you cross compile it? |
| 09:28.05 | blq | could anyone tell me which windowmanager is used on this picture? http://images.howtoforge.com/images/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch/54.jpg |
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| 09:28.39 | Ronin | looks like basic gnome |
| 09:28.47 | blq | thanks - haven't ever used it |
| 09:29.54 | john_a_scrotum | liable: Because I have no use for my Indy. This gives the Indy something to do. lol. |
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| 09:31.25 | john_a_scrotum | blq: that's def. gnome. |
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| 09:32.09 | yxa | i was trying to compile asterisk/zaptel. then i got this: /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory |
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| 09:32.58 | cyberjames | missing |
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| 09:33.06 | liable | isnt that a kernel script? |
| 09:33.17 | john_a_scrotum | liable: i really pared down the kernel config before i began compiling. i got rid of just about everything i knew i wouldn't be using. so hopefully it will finish by tomorrow morning sometime. |
| 09:33.23 | liable | yxa: is that a kernel module your building? |
| 09:33.30 | yxa | liable yes |
| 09:33.45 | liable | yxa: cd into your kernel source and run 'make script' |
| 09:33.50 | liable | scripts* |
| 09:33.51 | ukh | john_a_scrotum: I'm using polipo 1.0.3, and I still do get the occasional crash. The great thing, imho, about polipo is that it does IPv6 with no fuss. |
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| 09:34.18 | liable | yxa: kernel-headers for your kernel should have what you need for that |
| 09:34.29 | vi390 | can anyone give a reason, why Booting from an install CD (SARGE 2.04) fails with DISK error 01, AX = 4210,9F , when a normal Boot |
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| 09:34.42 | vi390 | CD From Win98 boots right away |
| 09:35.17 | fengor | burn error maybe? |
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| 09:35.25 | yxa | liable i tried headers but it ended in another error |
| 09:35.31 | john_a_scrotum | ukh: do you have any experience with squid? How would you compare the two? I'm presently using squid, but it may be a bit more than I actually need. So I've been thinking of going with polipo. |
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| 09:35.35 | vi390 | I would say, that the CD is bad, but it happens also with every other CD |
| 09:35.48 | yxa | liable so far so good after make scripts |
| 09:36.03 | john_a_scrotum | ukh: I don't get crashes with squid in Etch. How often are you experiencing crashes with polipo? |
| 09:36.05 | vi390 | fengor: hmm maybe I try to burn it one more time |
| 09:36.32 | liable | vi390: are you the one that had this error with an etch cd the other day? |
| 09:39.07 | ukh | john_a_scrotum: I've only briefly used squid. polipo is very much aimed at work-out-of-the-box. If you don't care about configuring everything in details, it's great (and just testing it is also trivial). The polipo author doesn't care much about servers *not* complying with standards, so e.g. streaming audio is likely to fail. Crashes depends a lot on usage - I don't put a lot of strain on it. Maybe a week since last crash. |
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| 09:39.45 | DawnLight | polipo sounds like a tissue overgrowth |
| 09:39.46 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i'm buying a 12dBi antenna so i'll have good bandwidth to listen to your cast |
| 09:40.02 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "The DEB program package 'acpidump' contains a small collection of utilities ACPI system tables: * acpidump: to dump tables, * acpixtract: to convert ASCII acpidump output to raw binary,..." What does 'raw binary' mean? |
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| 09:46.04 | redduck686 | how do i determie with which flags a certain package was compiled? |
| 09:46.29 | cydork | redduck686: download the source package, look at rules file in debian/ dir. |
| 09:46.51 | redduck686 | cydork: thanks |
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| 09:53.01 | DawnLight | when i type shutdown now, at some point i am getting an error. something about /etc/init.d/rc exiting outside the expected code flow |
| 09:54.10 | DawnLight | liable: what do you mean it's init script? and i don't know what halt mode is |
| 09:54.13 | xand | full errors are useful |
| 09:54.30 | liable | DawnLight: the file that the error talks about. |
| 09:54.43 | Helmi0 | you really men ' shutdown -r|-h now' ? |
| 09:54.44 | DawnLight | xand: it come after init sending the term signal and before init sending the kill signal |
| 09:55.00 | DawnLight | Helmi0: no, just shutdown now |
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| 09:56.18 | DawnLight | xand/liable: /etc/init.d/rc is the only file mentioned. it says something like "error: '/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow" |
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| 09:59.30 | liable | DawnLight: yeah, and its a script, hence my earlier suggestion to run it with 'bash -x' |
| 09:59.59 | vi390 | I try to install ETCH on an PII 400 with 64MB RAM, But the install stops with writing "ISOLINUX 3.31 Debian-2007-02-14" Thats it, now it loads to death. I already burned the CD 4 times, so not very likely, that there is a write error on the image |
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| 10:00.13 | DawnLight | liable: "bash -x /etc/init.d/rc"? |
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| 10:00.19 | vi390 | any idea what I can try to install |
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| 10:00.38 | liable | DawnLight: you have to give it an argument as well |
| 10:00.42 | liable | DawnLight: like stop |
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| 10:01.06 | DawnLight | but liable, isn't the rc the master script thing there? |
| 10:01.59 | liable | DawnLight: no idea. have a read of it and see if it gives you a hint. i have never had problems with it, so i dont know what it does. |
| 10:02.00 | DawnLight | liable: "Starts/stops services on runlevel changes." is the description |
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| 10:02.25 | DawnLight | liable: thats my policy, too. if it works, no need to understand it |
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| 10:02.46 | liable | DawnLight: so run it and see where it fails |
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| 10:03.02 | DawnLight | liable: but it will change runlevels! |
| 10:03.31 | liable | DawnLight: yeah, appears that it might. thats what happens when you use shutdown |
| 10:03.43 | Supaplex | hellooooo init 0 |
| 10:04.21 | DawnLight | liable: hold, you're saiyng i should do bash -x shutdown? what does -x do/ |
| 10:04.31 | liable | Supaplex: prolly wont give the same errors though |
| 10:05.18 | liable | DawnLight: no, i am saying to run the script with whatever arguments it takes when shutdown is called. bash -x will output every line as its executed |
| 10:05.41 | liable | DawnLight: dont make me read it! |
| 10:05.45 | DawnLight | liable: thanks |
| 10:06.05 | liable | DawnLight: the stop-stop line tells you what arguments it takes |
| 10:06.10 | liable | start-stop |
| 10:06.15 | ukh | vi390: my guess is that you've got an *old* box with a buggy BIOS. I have an old Digital Celebris that is very picky on what will boot. |
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| 10:06.51 | liable | DawnLight: or you could just check bts for initscripts first.. |
| 10:06.53 | ukh | vi390: back in those days, Debian was distributed with floppies too... :-) |
| 10:06.56 | Supaplex | !depth charge buggy BIOS |
| 10:07.03 | DawnLight | liable: bts? |
| 10:07.24 | liable | DawnLight: bugs.debian.org |
| 10:07.27 | DawnLight | ukh: update bios? |
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| 10:08.01 | vi390 | ukh: hmm okey, means try another Motherboard ... thanks |
| 10:08.13 | Supaplex | with a depth charge, a bios update is the least of concerns ;) |
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| 10:08.37 | DawnLight | vi390: update bios perhaps? |
| 10:08.48 | RichiH | are there any best practices for debugging stuff that involves named pipes? |
| 10:09.01 | RichiH | namely, i would want to a) know how many bytes are in them |
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| 10:09.23 | RichiH | b) if there is a way to read them out _without_ clearing them |
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| 10:19.56 | Feral_Kid | I just installed Knoppix 5.1.1 onto a hard drive... Where I can I find the correct repositories to in properly update? I am using the unstable, but it never update completely! |
| 10:20.04 | cast | !knoppix |
| 10:20.04 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 10:21.33 | Yggdrasil | hello, does nice -n 20 make something use less cpu or more cpu ? |
| 10:21.47 | azeem | Yggdrasil: neither |
| 10:21.52 | Yggdrasil | oh |
| 10:21.53 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 10:21.57 | azeem | Yggdrasil: or do you mean per second? |
| 10:22.02 | Yggdrasil | i havea cpu cooling issue |
| 10:22.13 | Yggdrasil | and im trying to compile something but make it not use the entire cpu |
| 10:22.36 | kwadronaut | Yggdrasil: man nic man renice |
| 10:22.38 | azeem | Yggdrasil: can't you force a lower frequency? |
| 10:22.45 | Yggdrasil | uhmm hmm |
| 10:22.46 | Yggdrasil | no |
| 10:22.49 | Yggdrasil | i dont think so |
| 10:23.02 | Yggdrasil | its just a regular desktop type pc |
| 10:23.06 | kwadronaut | just nice -19 compilecommands |
| 10:23.40 | kwadronaut | Yggdrasil: lsmod | grep cpu |
| 10:23.48 | Yggdrasil | ok hold on |
| 10:23.51 | kwadronaut | acpi_cpufreq or something? |
| 10:24.02 | kwadronaut | or freq_table |
| 10:24.19 | Yggdrasil | lsmod grep cpu returns nothing |
| 10:24.28 | Yggdrasil | well im gonna just do the nice -19 |
| 10:24.38 | kwadronaut | you forgot the pipe? |
| 10:24.50 | kwadronaut | you can also cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 10:25.20 | Yggdrasil | i didnt forget hte pipe on the terminal just in irc |
| 10:25.21 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
| 10:25.33 | kwadronaut | Yggdrasil: rather often, you can also change the cpu frequency in the bios. |
| 10:25.44 | Yggdrasil | yea i know i can do that |
| 10:25.48 | Yggdrasil | runs fine most of the time |
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| 10:27.44 | Yggdrasil | i have a better fan for it , if it crashes gain |
| 10:27.56 | Yggdrasil | but ill have to wait till tomorow night |
| 10:28.00 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
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| 10:32.54 | ziyax | Hi does any1 uses clamav and getting high cpu load? |
| 10:33.33 | cast | what's an av? :) |
| 10:34.21 | ameyer | there are valid reasons for using AV on Linux |
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| 10:34.41 | ameyer | mostly protecting Windows lusers from themselves |
| 10:34.47 | ziyax | antivir :p i'm using it for file scanning on forums attachment |
| 10:34.57 | cast | ameyer: let them rot! |
| 10:35.16 | ziyax | yep for win users |
| 10:35.17 | ameyer | also, Wine runs some Windows viruses, and you occasionally see a Linux worm |
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| 10:35.27 | M0useP0t4t0 | I have recently upgraded Wine & since have had problems with Utorrent. Everytime I close Utorrent the stand-alone Utorrent-Installer gets deleted as well |
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| 10:36.33 | ameyer | granted, I don't think WINE's good enough for the virus to dig its claws into your system, but viruses could still do stuff like deleting all your files |
| 10:36.35 | M0useP0t4t0 | also, I'm unable to install 'wine-utils', for it depends on wine & libwine & yet demands to uninstall both. What do you think is the problem? |
| 10:37.27 | Helmi0 | M0useP0t4t0, what version of debian? |
| 10:37.41 | M0useP0t4t0 | Etch |
| 10:38.03 | cast | i don't see what problem AV's solve. running untrusted code? run it under a strict selinux or apparmor policy |
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| 10:38.19 | M0useP0t4t0 | It was working all fine, until I upgraded Wine yesterday |
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| 10:38.35 | liable | cast: for people that run mail servers that serve windows boxen |
| 10:39.27 | DawnLight | god almighty |
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| 10:40.29 | ziyax | well so no1 uses it :s |
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| 10:44.43 | assasukasse | hi everyone, in order to make my sshd more secure, is it better denyhosts or fail2ban? |
| 10:45.32 | petemc | assasukasse: they both do the same kinda thing i thought, if you want to avoid automated login attempts, run ssh on a different port or only accept keys |
| 10:45.32 | sep | flashplugin-nonfree gives the output "md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" and there is no newer flashplugin-nonfree in volatile. what gibs ? |
| 10:45.57 | assasukasse | petemc: thanks |
| 10:45.58 | GRiD | hi i've got an old 3.0 system, can i use packages from oldstable ok? |
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| 10:46.41 | liable | GRiD: yeah, but you would have to upgrade the whole system to oldstable. |
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| 10:46.54 | liable | 3.0 is now oldoldstable |
| 10:46.59 | CaT[tm] | yeah. i found out that much on my own. I just wish I know what that actually meant. :) |
| 10:46.59 | M0useP0t4t0 | Okay, so I asked my Q in winehq & they said, it is Deb related problem |
| 10:47.02 | CaT[tm] | oops |
| 10:47.23 | GRiD | liable, ok thanks |
| 10:47.33 | liable | GRiD: or use the archive mirrirs (which you shouldnt as its no longer getting security updates) |
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| 10:48.44 | ringo999 | hi. which script is called when the system shuts down. Its trying to write the system clock (hwclock) but it cant because its missing the "--directisa" parameter... |
| 10:48.50 | M0useP0t4t0 | !wine |
| 10:48.50 | dpkg | hmm... wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 10:49.26 | M0useP0t4t0 | :| I went to winehq & they send me here, sayiing it's a Debian problem |
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| 10:50.02 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: dpkg -l wine-utils|tail -1 |
| 10:50.29 | DawnLight | dpkg: wine is also not tasty at all |
| 10:50.42 | DawnLight | damn |
| 10:50.48 | M0useP0t4t0 | pn wine-utils <none> (no description available) |
| 10:50.59 | ameyer | that's fouled up |
| 10:51.33 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: blah.. it's not installed.. pastebin the output of apt-cache policy wine-utils.. |
| 10:51.43 | cydork | DawnLight: i like wine actually.. |
| 10:51.52 | M0useP0t4t0 | wine-utils won't install, as it demands to uninstall wine & libwine which it (wine-utils) depends |
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| 10:52.09 | DawnLight | i am sensitive to the taste of alcohol, i guess |
| 10:52.21 | ameyer | wine has its uses, almost |
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| 10:52.38 | cast | not entirely sure oh ubuntu 7.10 livecd manages to not work on a pc where openbsd/freebsd/netbsd/hurd/debian/windows/solaris all work fine |
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| 10:52.42 | DawnLight | although i can swallow a glass of vodka |
| 10:52.59 | petemc | glass and all? |
| 10:53.12 | DawnLight | the umbrella, also |
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| 10:54.50 | M0useP0t4t0 | http://pastebin.ca/753572 -- the apt-cache policy wine-utils |
| 10:55.08 | tarzeau | could i easily rebuild xserver-xorg on etch with these options to gcc? -mno-fpu -march=i386 |
| 10:55.31 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: now paste the actual error.. |
| 10:55.56 | M0useP0t4t0 | where can I post screenshot? |
| 10:56.06 | cast | picpaste.com |
| 10:56.38 | liable | tarzeau: dont see why not if you get the source package |
| 10:56.38 | cast | bayimg.com if its a 99MB image...heh |
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| 10:56.52 | ziyax | wtf my prob was not clamav it was apache!!! |
| 10:57.13 | M0useP0t4t0 | the error - http://pastebin.ca/753573 |
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| 10:57.46 | salvin | hi |
| 10:57.48 | tarzeau | liable: i got the source package, but i have no idea where to put the stuff in it |
| 10:57.58 | tarzeau | liable: i'm not even sure i got the right source pkg. any hints? |
| 10:58.13 | salvin | kde adjust the clock for DST |
| 10:58.23 | liable | tarzeau: you build packages! it should be in the rules file |
| 10:58.41 | salvin | bat it's already adjusted by locale |
| 10:58.42 | DawnLight | salvin: install ntp |
| 10:58.47 | FabParma | i attached a new hd to extend my / , but i am unable to integrate it. have i to use lvm? |
| 10:59.05 | salvin | DawnLight, i know |
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| 10:59.07 | DawnLight | salvin: and tell kde to stay out of it |
| 10:59.25 | liable | FabParma: not really, you can just add directories to the new harddrive in fstab |
| 10:59.51 | salvin | DawnLight, this is the problem |
| 11:00.02 | DawnLight | salvin: try #kde |
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| 11:00.42 | salvin | not all adjust the clock automatically |
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| 11:01.25 | salvin | this function of kde sometime works |
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| 11:01.59 | M0useP0t4t0 | is it a bug? |
| 11:02.16 | salvin | DawnLight, it isn't a debian package bug? |
| 11:02.41 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: also apt-cache policy wine libwine |
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| 11:02.59 | DawnLight | salvin: i don't know |
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| 11:03.14 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.43 | M0useP0t4t0 | http://pastebin.ca/753576 -- apt-cache policy wine libwine |
| 11:03.47 | DawnLight | appelza: to do what? |
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| 11:04.42 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: why the hell did you add getautomatix.com repo?? remove that |
| 11:04.43 | petemc | appelza: you use pci passthrough to map real hardware to vms with xen, if that helps |
| 11:04.50 | tarzeau | liable: i try to rebuild xbase-clients with -mno-fpu but the debian etch gcc doesn't support that! |
| 11:05.00 | M0useP0t4t0 | doing it now |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'compizconfig' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.25 | liable | tarzeau: bummer |
| 11:05.27 | tarzeau | trying with -march=i386 only... |
| 11:05.35 | FabParma | liable: can i show you my fstab? |
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| 11:05.52 | liable | FabParma: sure, paste it somewhere |
| 11:06.06 | DawnLight | what's a good programming language for embedded applications? |
| 11:06.40 | ziyax | any1 runs a big webserver with apache2 on etch? |
| 11:06.43 | appelza | petemc, not using xen |
| 11:06.53 | tarzeau | ziyax: how big? |
| 11:06.54 | petemc | appelza: i know |
| 11:06.55 | appelza | DawnLight: c ;p |
| 11:07.54 | M0useP0t4t0 | done @ cydork, now what? |
| 11:08.27 | appelza | so i must have xen in order to do it? |
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| 11:08.45 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: run apt-get update and install wine-utils |
| 11:09.21 | DawnLight | appelza: want to code a CL interface to an RS-232 irrigation valves controller? |
| 11:09.37 | M0useP0t4t0 | still the same error @ cydork |
| 11:09.58 | M0useP0t4t0 | should I reinstall wine? |
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| 11:10.18 | M0useP0t4t0 | or like remove completely & install all over again? |
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| 11:10.44 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: if you installed wine from getautomatix.com then yes. remove the damn thing.. |
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| 11:11.46 | moope1 | what type of wireless security should I be using? |
| 11:11.52 | moope1 | WEP okay? |
| 11:11.56 | cydork | moope1: WPA |
| 11:12.00 | moope1 | ta |
| 11:12.15 | moope1 | which one? |
| 11:12.19 | DawnLight | moope1: wep can be cracked. i know, i did it :) |
| 11:12.26 | moope1 | WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy) WPA-PSK (Wi-Fi Protected Access Pre-Shared Key) WPA2-PSK(Wi-Fi Protected Access 2 with Pre-Shared Key) WPA-PSK+WPA2-PSK WPA-802.1x WPA2-802.1x WPA-802.1x+WPA2-802.1x |
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| 11:13.01 | DawnLight | moope1: but how about leaving it open for neighboors and friends? |
| 11:13.05 | liable | moope1: wpa-psk |
| 11:13.09 | appelza | DawnLight: no :P |
| 11:13.16 | moope1 | DawnLight :( my home one I do |
| 11:13.20 | moope1 | but business one |
| 11:13.27 | moope1 | not so cool |
| 11:13.28 | appelza | simply want to have the host machines serial ports accessible from within the UML |
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| 11:14.55 | wAndyw | appelza: WHAT? |
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| 11:15.19 | DawnLight | moope1: i am chatting here now on the generousity of my neighboor (although he probably doesn't know that) |
| 11:15.53 | wAndyw | DawnLight: WEP or open? |
| 11:15.53 | M0useP0t4t0 | wire-tapping...... mwaa haa haa |
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| 11:16.05 | M0useP0t4t0 | WEP is easy to crack :P |
| 11:16.14 | DawnLight | open, wAndyw |
| 11:16.39 | wAndyw | DawnLight: Okay, Mouse, cracking WEP is not legal in germany.... |
| 11:16.52 | FabParma | liable: i pasted in #flood |
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| 11:17.14 | ziyax | tarzeau; more than 1500 users same time |
| 11:17.21 | wAndyw | M0useP0t4t0: possible and easy but not legal. like cracking CSS |
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| 11:17.28 | DawnLight | wAndyw: the actual act of cracking it? perhaps cracking someone's encrypted communication isn't legal |
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| 11:17.42 | tarzeau | ziyax: nope, can't help. what's the URL? |
| 11:17.47 | M0useP0t4t0 | hmm... I didn't know that |
| 11:17.48 | appelza | wAndyw, I want to use the host machines serial port from within the UML (User Mode Linux) |
| 11:17.50 | liable | FabParma: why did you paste a link in #flood? |
| 11:17.55 | appelza | thats what :P |
| 11:18.03 | ziyax | 62.68.202.180 |
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| 11:18.22 | FabParma | i believed war not permit in here |
| 11:18.36 | FabParma | was |
| 11:18.42 | wAndyw | DawnLight: It is even illegal to try it |
| 11:18.42 | liable | FabParma: pasting a link in here is fine :) |
| 11:18.55 | ziyax | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.59 | ziyax | i wanna scream |
| 11:19.02 | FabParma | liable: ok, thank you for the info |
| 11:19.31 | DawnLight | wAndyw: i don't care about state laws so much, do you? |
| 11:19.32 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "The DEB program package 'acpidump' contains a small collection of utilities ACPI system tables: * acpidump: to dump tables, * acpixtract: to convert ASCII acpidump output to raw binary,..." What does 'raw binary' mean? |
| 11:19.47 | FabParma | liable: would you like to my fdisk -l? |
| 11:20.00 | liable | FabParma: that fstab isnt right |
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| 11:20.08 | liable | FabParma: what distro are you using? |
| 11:20.58 | FabParma | liable: its an ipcop, i think is based on a old redhat version |
| 11:21.17 | wAndyw | DawnLight: I think it is wrong to make such thinks illegal. Instead they should secure their AP. guns are illegal in germany, despite of 300 people were killed... |
| 11:21.22 | Diafic2 | How can I stop a disk automounting so I can use gparted without it mounting automagically? |
| 11:21.26 | liable | gah, i cant believe web people still use those goddam annoying vibrating 1000000th visitor things |
| 11:21.50 | DawnLight | why's my diskonkey not working? why is the damn thing broke? doesn't it know it's the end of the world... it ended when my diskonkey died |
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| 11:22.04 | ziyax | haha :) ye i remember them on late 99 |
| 11:22.29 | liable | FabParma: this isnt really the place to ask.. but, that doesnt work how that fstab is? |
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| 11:24.09 | liable | Diafic2: just unmount it manually |
| 11:24.22 | FabParma | liable: i know that is not the right place, but i use always come here because i use alway Debian, this is just a firewall into my network |
| 11:24.56 | liable | FabParma: right, so answer the second question instead of talking about the first :P |
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| 11:25.54 | Diafic2 | liable, but mid-gparted, it remounts |
| 11:25.57 | Diafic2 | without warning |
| 11:26.01 | Diafic2 | and gparted fails |
| 11:26.09 | liable | Diafic2: what desktop? |
| 11:26.49 | wAndyw | if you start gparted, it creates an entry "disable-automount" |
| 11:27.03 | wAndyw | so, this shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:27.06 | FabParma | liable: no, i have the same size that i had before to install the additional hd and format it in ext3 |
| 11:27.17 | Diafic2 | liable, gnome |
| 11:27.23 | wAndyw | except gparted crashes, the you have to remove disable-automount manual |
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| 11:27.35 | nomatter001 | hi |
| 11:27.36 | liable | FabParma: what is the actuall problem? |
| 11:27.57 | nomatter001 | has anybody an idea why after alsaconf the sound runs when i'm root but not with my normal users |
| 11:28.09 | cast | nomatter001: perms |
| 11:28.10 | liable | Diafic2: look in your ps output, gnome-volume-manager or something similar is the culprit, stop that process |
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| 11:28.16 | Helmi0 | alsaconf is broken? |
| 11:28.39 | liable | nomatter001: is the user in audio group? |
| 11:28.49 | wAndyw | nomatter001: type "groups" in your terminal, are you in the "audio" group? |
| 11:28.52 | nomatter001 | i have to check |
| 11:29.00 | nomatter001 | yes he is |
| 11:29.05 | nomatter001 | nomatter tty dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape sudo audio dip video games users usb scanner plugdev camera fuse nvram |
| 11:29.10 | Diafic2 | liable, moot point now |
| 11:29.16 | Diafic2 | I got it done using fdisk |
| 11:29.41 | liable | Diafic2: sweet |
| 11:30.01 | Diafic2 | I had to do it in two steps |
| 11:30.08 | Diafic2 | fdisk to irradicate the partition table |
| 11:30.15 | FabParma | i have 2 hd attached (hda 10 gb and hdb 9 gb) i can see only the hda. i monted the hdb on / but the global size it is exactly like when there was only the hda |
| 11:30.18 | nomatter001 | so he is in audio group but also don't works |
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| 11:30.21 | Diafic2 | then gparted to put a fat32 system on it |
| 11:31.07 | wAndyw | nomatter001: Which program do you use to check if audio runs? perhaps you should launch it from console and watch teh output in verbose mode |
| 11:31.40 | liable | FabParma: paste your 'cat /proc/partitions' to a pastebot |
| 11:32.06 | nomatter001 | i do |
| 11:32.19 | nomatter001 | w8 i have a paste |
| 11:32.24 | liable | !soundcheck |
| 11:32.24 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 11:32.27 | nomatter001 | http://pastebin.com/m1f89136e |
| 11:32.33 | liable | !soundtest |
| 11:32.40 | liable | meh |
| 11:32.44 | nomatter001 | yes i use this |
| 11:32.49 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 11:32.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 11:32.51 | Helmi0 | use aplay |
| 11:33.04 | uzer | would anyone know why i am asked for my root password twice when i su |
| 11:33.33 | k31th | what is the support cycle for debian ? |
| 11:33.45 | k31th | how long will etch be supported untill ? |
| 11:33.59 | liable | k31th: oldstable gets supported roughly a year or so after stable releases |
| 11:34.13 | DawnLight | k31th: stable is forever supported |
| 11:34.17 | Diafic2 | Can someone pastebin the standard sources.list |
| 11:34.25 | Diafic2 | I've accidentally deleted mine :/ |
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| 11:34.35 | wols_ | such a thing doesn't exist |
| 11:34.39 | wols_ | !tell Diafic2 about sources.list |
| 11:34.40 | liable | accidently? |
| 11:34.42 | Diafic2 | wols_, well one that works. |
| 11:34.48 | sep | Diafic2, there is no "stadnard" since it depends on your location (use your closest mirror) |
| 11:34.52 | wols_ | read the factoid |
| 11:35.01 | Diafic2 | I know thatbit, I need the bits like the security repos |
| 11:35.09 | wols_ | read the factoid |
| 11:35.16 | Diafic2 | I just did. |
| 11:35.17 | Diafic2 | Thanks |
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| 11:35.26 | sep | !tell Diafic2 about security |
| 11:35.38 | ringo9991 | how can i get xscreensaver daemon started automatically? |
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| 11:36.31 | Diafic2 | ringo9991, lazy way: put @reboot xscreensaver (or whatever) in a crontab. Probably the worst way to do it. |
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| 11:36.47 | nomatter001 | how can i check if oss modules are loaded? |
| 11:36.56 | redduck686 | nomatter001: lsmod | grep oss |
| 11:37.08 | redduck686 | ringo9991: update-rc.d is your friend. |
| 11:37.09 | nomatter001 | ok i have |
| 11:37.19 | ringo9991 | redduck686: will have a look |
| 11:37.24 | nomatter001 | i rmmoded all which were there |
| 11:37.31 | nomatter001 | but it still don't works |
| 11:37.48 | Helmi0 | nomasteryoda, run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 11:37.49 | redduck686 | nomatter001: alsaconf is your friend. |
| 11:37.59 | nomatter001 | i used alsaconf for this |
| 11:38.10 | Helmi0 | alsaconf is broken |
| 11:38.23 | nomatter001 | Helmi0: so what can i do? |
| 11:38.26 | liable | it is? |
| 11:38.36 | Helmi0 | nomatter001, , run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 11:38.47 | k31th | liable: how often is there a stable release? |
| 11:39.12 | liable | k31th: heh, not all that often. /msg dpkg releases |
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| 11:39.18 | ringo9991 | also, which script is standardly run on shutdown. it tries to write my system clock (hwclock), but it times out cause it misses the "--directisa" parameter |
| 11:39.44 | nomatter001 | Helmi0: ok i did |
| 11:39.47 | nomatter001 | and now? |
| 11:39.48 | liable | k31th: its a moving target, so never on a regular timeframe |
| 11:40.25 | harold | How do I disallow root logins via ssh/telnet/ftp etc? |
| 11:40.28 | k31th | looks like i should be good for a couple of years |
| 11:40.30 | dimsuz | my HAL-enabled filemanager mounts disks with root owner. although i am in plugdev group. how to fix that? |
| 11:40.47 | liable | harold: for ssh, its in the sshd conf file |
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| 11:41.21 | stew | harold: for ssh, "man sshd_config". you should probably just uninstall telnetd, and ftp should come with root logins disabled by default, but otherwise you'd need to tell us which ftp server you are using |
| 11:41.39 | liable | k31th: most likely at least a year and a half i would guess before old stable isnt supported |
| 11:41.45 | nomatter001 | why does invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 reloads the oss modules? |
| 11:42.04 | liable | nomatter001: you want oss modules loaded. |
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| 11:42.12 | FabParma | liable: sorry for the delay. the link http://sial.org/pbot/28318 |
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| 11:42.24 | nomatter001 | do i? |
| 11:42.31 | nomatter001 | i only want to have a running alsa |
| 11:42.39 | nomatter001 | if oss is needed for that ok |
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| 11:43.39 | harold | liable, stew: If I have to manually configure each server I'm likely to forget one. Instead of configuring the servers that I want to prevent root logins for, is there a way to prevent root logins by default such that you have to manually configure the servers that you do want to allow root logins for? |
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| 11:44.11 | stew | harold: no |
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| 11:44.34 | harold | stew, Isn't /etc/securetty meant to do something like that? |
| 11:44.38 | liable | harold: unfortunately, debian allows it by default still, so you will have to do them all |
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| 11:44.53 | Diafic2 | gotta go~ |
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| 11:45.24 | M0useP0t4t0 | uninstalled & installed everything again @ cydork, still the same issue :( Here's the pastebin -- http://pastebin.ca/753607 |
| 11:45.25 | stew | harold: not exactly |
| 11:46.08 | redduck686 | harold: /etc/security/access.conf ? |
| 11:47.15 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: still the same error?? pastebin the error. |
| 11:47.23 | nomatter001 | no idea? |
| 11:47.52 | M0useP0t4t0 | no, still everytime I EXIT from Utorrent, the standalone .exe gets deleted |
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| 11:49.13 | cydork | M0useP0t4t0: i have no idea why wine does that. and also there are other decent torrent clinets.. |
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| 11:50.07 | M0useP0t4t0 | Ktorrent is not half as good :| Utorrent gives me ~10 Kbps speed while Ktorrent is stuck at 3 Kbps for the same torrent & on same connection |
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| 11:50.29 | M0useP0t4t0 | thanks, anyway! |
| 11:50.38 | ziyax | WTF?!? 07:51:44 up 1:32, 1 user, load average: 108.16, 67.06, 49.87 |
| 11:50.38 | liable | M0useP0t4t0: take the plunge and try a few native linux ones and see which you like. you may be plesently surprised |
| 11:51.01 | liable | M0useP0t4t0: theres quite a few available |
| 11:51.42 | harold | redduck686, Looks promising, but I uncommented the line to disallow root/wheel from logging in remotely and I can still ssh in as root. =/ |
| 11:51.46 | liable | M0useP0t4t0: connection rates shouldnt really change between clients, unless ktorrent is that horribly implemented |
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| 11:52.08 | redduck686 | harold: ssh has it's own configuration to disallow root logins. |
| 11:52.09 | xlotlu | what should i look at if plugging usb devices doesn't do anything (nothing different in lsusb, no device)? although kernel reports it properly. hal borked? |
| 11:52.20 | redduck686 | harold: IIRC that file is only for local logins. |
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| 11:52.35 | liable | xlotlu: or no specific driver for it |
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| 11:52.46 | M0useP0t4t0 | exactly my point & I tried Ktorrent thinking, it would be just a diff interface but the experience would be same. But, I was disappointed |
| 11:52.47 | xlotlu | liable: that's not the case |
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| 11:53.02 | liable | xlotlu: what is it? |
| 11:53.08 | rwp | xlotlu, Look in /var/log/syslog when you plug in the device, should see some activity |
| 11:53.20 | redduck686 | xlotlu: dmes | tail |
| 11:53.27 | redduck686 | xlotlu: dmesg | tail |
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| 11:53.43 | xlotlu | rwp, redduck686: kernel reports it properly <-- that's the activity i see |
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| 11:54.07 | rwp | xlotlu, HAL does not automatically mount the device. But gnome does. I assume kde too. |
| 11:54.10 | xlotlu | liable: doesn't really matter, 2 mass storage, one camera, bluetooth dongle, all which worked before |
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| 11:54.53 | harold | redduck686, Does ssh use pam? |
| 11:54.56 | xlotlu | rwp: nothing different in lsusb, no device -- as in nothing in /dev/ for my mass storage device. thus nothing to automount |
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| 11:55.08 | liable | xlotlu: and by before you mean? |
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| 11:55.17 | redduck686 | harold: by default yes. |
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| 11:55.38 | xlotlu | liable: not sure, before.. one week ago i'd say (yes, i'm on sid) |
| 11:56.07 | liable | xlotlu: new kernel? new gnome shits? check your dpkg log |
| 11:56.10 | harold | redduck686, Is there an option in pam to prevent non-local root logins? |
| 11:56.34 | liable | xlotlu: did you compile a kernel? |
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| 11:57.04 | redduck686 | harold: none that i know off. ''PermitRootLogin no'' in your sshd conf should do what you are asking. |
| 11:57.09 | xlotlu | liable: nope. only possible culprit looks like hal. and maybe some "gnome shits" but those shouldn't have anything to do with it (i think) |
| 11:57.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | is ftp.debian.org the only place to download packages? i'm having issues with debmirror |
| 11:57.31 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 11:57.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew, cheers |
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| 11:58.03 | liable | xlotlu: so first see if you can downgrade hal (likely to be difficult) and of course check bts |
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| 11:58.26 | DawnLight | whats the simplest way to allow xfce4 users to shutdown? |
| 11:58.43 | rwp | http://snapshot.debian.net/ is a useful resource when downgrading packages. |
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| 11:59.39 | rwp | DawnLight, sudo? As in 'sudo visudo'? |
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| 12:00.09 | DawnLight | rwp: will you give me the one-liner for sudoers? |
| 12:00.48 | rwp | DawnLight, For particular users or for all users? |
| 12:00.57 | redduck686 | DawnLight: use a display manager? |
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| 12:01.23 | DawnLight | rwp: for particular |
| 12:01.39 | DawnLight | redduck686: xdm |
| 12:02.27 | redduck686 | DawnLight: i'd use a display manager that supports rebooting. |
| 12:02.35 | liable | xlotlu: the kernel registering a device being plugged in but not loading a driver seems more of a kernel problem to me though. you sure you didnt upgrade/compile one? |
| 12:02.56 | rwp | DawnLight, http://www.pastebin.ca/753627 for an example of the syntax |
| 12:03.09 | xlotlu | liable: pretty sure i didn't compile one :) and the driver's loaded. just no device created.. |
| 12:03.18 | DawnLight | i think the software in my usb diskonkey has gone wacky, rendering it inoperable. can i plug it in and flash it domehow? |
| 12:03.23 | DawnLight | rwp: thanks |
| 12:03.37 | DawnLight | redduck686: like? |
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| 12:03.56 | redduck686 | DawnLight: gdm |
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| 12:03.59 | xlotlu | liable: and udev wasn't upgraded.. |
| 12:04.20 | DawnLight | redduck686: funny, i should use gdm when i don't use gnome |
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| 12:05.26 | redduck686 | DawnLight: i didn't say you should, i just said that is the easiest way by most peoples standards. |
| 12:05.32 | liable | xlotlu: ya, would be the next culprit. ok, so i guess hal looks a likely culprit. not that i will e of much help, i have never had the pleasure of finding whats wrong with a broken hal. |
| 12:05.40 | DawnLight | redduck686: thanks |
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| 12:19.45 | jacod | /proc/acpi/battery is empty in my lenny install, where should I start debugging this? |
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| 12:21.30 | GhostlyDeath | jacod: You got a battery? |
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| 12:22.03 | jacod | GhostlyDeath, I do ;P this is a MSI based laptop. Power button, suspend and hibernate work |
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| 12:22.22 | GhostlyDeath | MSI? |
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| 12:22.56 | indraveni | hi all |
| 12:23.09 | indraveni | can some one please tell me, how can i apply the patch given here http://www.mail-archive.com/nautilus-list@gnome.org/msg03167.html |
| 12:23.19 | indraveni | in my installed debian etch system ? |
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| 12:24.34 | GhostlyDeath | indraveni: Get the source code to nautilus 2.14-3 |
| 12:24.54 | GhostlyDeath | indraveni: patch it with the patch, make && install might do it |
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| 12:25.56 | jacod | GhostlyDeath, MSI is the manufacturer |
| 12:29.16 | indraveni | GhostlyDeath, i downlaodesd the soource |
| 12:29.24 | indraveni | how to apply the patch |
| 12:29.37 | indraveni | cd nautilus-2.xx.xx, |
| 12:29.40 | azeem | with patch |
| 12:29.42 | azeem | man patch |
| 12:29.44 | indraveni | next |
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| 12:30.36 | jacod | the battery shows up if I boot with Ubuntu710 CD, and the versions of acpid, acpi and apmd are the same, so I guess there is a config problem in my install |
| 12:32.09 | alex_ | any *nix freaks know of a util that sync ftp's? |
| 12:32.16 | liable | thats one thing i do hand to ubuntu, it seems to have some laptop acpi goodness where debian lacks behind |
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| 12:33.51 | liable | working it all out is part of the fun if you are inclined that way though |
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| 12:36.09 | fas3r | it's possible ( with openssl certificat ) to create 2 certificat with the same common name ? |
| 12:37.07 | jacod | liable, that's exactly what I'm trying to do ;P |
| 12:37.45 | liable | jacod: boot the livecd and note the kernel modules |
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| 12:38.34 | jacod | that's a good one, any pointers on the modules I should look for? |
| 12:40.16 | z25 | elow |
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| 12:40.40 | liable | jacod: not really. acpi related and anything that acpi modules are using |
| 12:41.19 | jacod | liable, ok thanks, will try that |
| 12:42.12 | liable | jacod: /msg dpkg laptop too if you havent ever seen the linux laptop sites |
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| 12:44.38 | jacod | liable: I've gone through them, but since this is an unbranded laptop you don't find much info |
| 12:45.16 | liable | fair 'nough |
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| 12:48.15 | petemc | i find them bland |
| 12:49.09 | liable | really? i guess my tastebuds arent rocking out as much as yours on a day by day basis :) |
| 12:49.22 | petemc | what do they taste of to you? |
| 12:49.30 | th1 | I just upgraded my server from Sarge to Etch but now after rebooting, I can't ssh to it because I get "Server refused to allocate pty" with Putty, but I can do "ssh hostname bash" from commandline and get a noninteractive shell.. where I can type commands and stuff. |
| 12:49.59 | liable | bit peppery, and erm, oil i guess |
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| 12:50.26 | liable | hard to describe really |
| 12:50.41 | mbuf | what needs to be added to /etc/apt/sources.list to get anjuta 2.2.2? currently using Debian Etch on x86 |
| 12:51.01 | Swat2 | is there an easy way to deny/permit access to a range of ports on a server with list of ip-addresses, with ip-tables? |
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| 12:51.32 | azeem | mbuf: anjuta-2.2.2 is only available in unstable |
| 12:51.40 | cydork | mbuf: etch will not get any updates.. (except security) |
| 12:52.07 | mbuf | azeem, i see; so what should i do? |
| 12:52.18 | azeem | mbuf: I suggest you wait till it either hits testing and upgrade to testing, or maybe till it hits backports.org |
| 12:52.41 | mbuf | azeem, ok |
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| 12:53.37 | mbuf | azeem, kinda need to do some testing/development with 2.2.2 version |
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| 12:54.08 | azeem | then try to backport it yourself, or install it in /usr/local |
| 12:54.30 | mbuf | azeem, from sources? |
| 12:54.35 | azeem | ys |
| 12:54.36 | azeem | yes* |
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| 12:57.24 | th1 | I solved my problem.. turns out "hotplug" was still installed instead of "udev" after doing aptitude install udev it works |
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| 12:58.54 | th1 | anyone what's a good interactive command line FTP client for Debian? I used to use ncftp way back |
| 12:59.21 | graytron | lftp might be ok |
| 12:59.44 | th1 | thanks I'll give it a spin |
| 12:59.45 | petemc | why not continue using ncftp? |
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| 13:00.07 | th1 | petemc, tbh after 3.0 I stopped liking it ;) |
| 13:00.12 | petemc | oh |
| 13:00.18 | th1 | besides it was "non-free" for some time |
| 13:00.18 | obsethryl | hi guys |
| 13:00.18 | jackle | I always make sure I have a gui somewhere :D |
| 13:00.42 | obsethryl | i produced the amd64 arch packages for the spindown problem in sysvinit |
| 13:01.11 | obsethryl | i followed roland stigge's instruction for that, simply changing arch |
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| 13:01.19 | obsethryl | is anybody interested in this? |
| 13:01.37 | obsethryl | it closes http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436703 for debian testing |
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| 13:04.07 | OXIj | when i start second kvm virtual machine - i got "Out of memory" (and some text about DMA). i got 1G RAM and 3G in swap. swap is all free. this out of memory kills some process. wtf? |
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| 13:04.36 | obsethryl | ok i will email the developer and provide the packages for the arch for his repo |
| 13:05.13 | OXIj | more than 3G free virtual memory... any ideas? |
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| 13:06.38 | th1 | graytron, thanks lftp works a charm |
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| 13:08.39 | pumpkin0 | does upgrading gcc/g++ from etch to testing cause major breakage ? Do files compiled with untesting gcc/g++ run on etch ? |
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| 13:08.48 | |messiah| | I am trying to remove a package of my debian etch to re-install it and I get package broken, how can I solve that? |
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| 13:09.31 | petemc | |messiah|: check the bts for a fix |
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| 13:10.00 | |messiah| | what is bts? |
| 13:10.09 | petemc | !bts |
| 13:10.09 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:10.18 | liable | pumpkin0: should be ok. i dont really see where you would run into problems. |
| 13:10.40 | pumpkin0 | liable: thanks. |
| 13:10.43 | liable | pumpkin0: the libc6 dependancy would be the killer in the upgrade though |
| 13:10.52 | |messiah| | ohh ok thanks |
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| 13:11.34 | pumpkin0 | liable: well it does not complain about it. My libc seem to be never then the etch-edition anyway (no idea why, not my box). |
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| 13:12.07 | liable | pumpkin0: should be ok then i reckon |
| 13:12.07 | wAndyw | Is there a option i can set in Grub so the /etc/network/interfaces script is NOT executed on startup? |
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| 13:12.38 | liable | wAndyw: not in grub, but what dont you want running? cant you just set interfaces to not be auto? |
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| 13:12.56 | mbuf | azeem, for anjuta-2.2.2 from svn, running ./autogen.sh says, "you need to install gnome-common from cvs" |
| 13:13.15 | wAndyw | liable: that is too late. I use ndiswrapper with a Marvel chipset an this freezes the system on startup |
| 13:13.33 | liable | wAndyw: blacklist ndis then |
| 13:13.38 | wAndyw | from grub? |
| 13:13.57 | liable | from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 13:14.26 | wAndyw | you don't understand me. I can't boot anymore, because the system freezes |
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| 13:14.58 | wAndyw | so i can't edit any files. Only use the grub options |
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| 13:16.10 | wAndyw | liable: clear? |
| 13:16.27 | liable | wAndyw: i know with my card acpi=off kills it, but i dunno if it will halp you, otherwise your'e going to have to use a rescue disk, even booting in single mode is unlikely to help, as its udev that loads the modules |
| 13:17.34 | wAndyw | libale: tried also init 2 (single user) but as you say, this will load the module too |
| 13:18.03 | wAndyw | hmmmm |
| 13:18.09 | liable | wAndyw: init2 is the usual runlevel, you want to try init1 |
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| 13:18.18 | wAndyw | i could remove the PCI card and boot then, I#m sure this would work |
| 13:18.29 | liable | yeah, that would work |
| 13:18.36 | Naitse | is there a way to remove items from the places menu?? |
| 13:18.47 | |messiah| | there is some way to force the remove of a package in etch? |
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| 13:22.08 | wAndyw | |messiah|: do you mean force or purge? |
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| 13:22.51 | DeFirence | yo DawnLight? |
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| 13:25.14 | b52laptop | hi |
| 13:25.50 | DeFirence | lo |
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| 13:26.19 | spiekey | hello world! |
| 13:26.30 | b52laptop | ppl i have added a new ethernet card to my debian a yukon based ethrnet adapter , but i can not get it to wotk , i add modified /etc/networki/interfaces but when i restart the network |
| 13:26.38 | b52laptop | i got http://pastebin.com/m78972b10 |
| 13:26.47 | DeFirence | hello spiekey |
| 13:27.19 | spiekey | my charset is currently set to POSIX, but i would like to use UTF-8 within a root session. My error: |
| 13:27.22 | spiekey | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 13:27.52 | spiekey | what do i need to install? Its important that the global charset keeps beeing POSIX |
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| 13:29.08 | abrotman | spiekey: did you generate it ? |
| 13:29.38 | |messiah| | purge |
| 13:30.19 | |messiah| | how it was to purge a package? |
| 13:30.33 | wAndyw | apt-get remove package --purge ? |
| 13:30.44 | spiekey | abrotman, erm. no :) |
| 13:30.52 | DeFirence | lo abrotman :) |
| 13:30.54 | abrotman | spiekey: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 13:30.58 | abrotman | DeFirence: hi |
| 13:31.36 | b52laptop | any one to help me with my network card |
| 13:31.55 | |messiah| | it dosen't work apt-get remove package --purge |
| 13:32.04 | anyone | b52laptop: sure |
| 13:32.17 | Naitse | is there a way to remove items from the places menu o the hole menu? on Gnome?? |
| 13:32.33 | |messiah| | I want to remove a package and ask me for a package for 64 bits system, I can't remove this package.. |
| 13:32.39 | b52laptop | anyone, thanks :d i have add a new network card , i modified my /network/interfaces file |
| 13:32.46 | b52laptop | but when restarting |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | |messiah|: which package manager? |
| 13:32.55 | b52laptop | i got http://pastebin.com/m78972b10 |
| 13:33.12 | |messiah| | apt-get |
| 13:33.18 | abrotman | apt-get --purge remove <pkg> |
| 13:33.24 | abrotman | which package are you trying to remove ? |
| 13:33.32 | |messiah| | sun-java5-bin |
| 13:33.35 | anyone | b52laptop: install and run mii-tool. |
| 13:33.38 | |messiah| | I want to reinstall it |
| 13:33.58 | b52laptop | anyone, i don't have access to the net .... :d |
| 13:34.12 | anyone | b52laptop: is the tool already installed ? |
| 13:34.46 | |messiah| | when I try to remove it ask me for ia32-sun-java5-bin package and only is avaliable for 64 bits, my system is 32 bits.. |
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| 13:34.47 | b52laptop | hum yeap |
| 13:35.13 | b52laptop | anyone, SIIOCGMIIPHY n eth0 failed : invalid argument |
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| 13:35.16 | b52laptop | eth1 : no link |
| 13:35.27 | b52laptop | n/on |
| 13:35.38 | b52laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.41 | b52laptop | eth1:no link |
| 13:35.59 | anyone | b52laptop: are you really, really sure you pluged in the right cable ? |
| 13:36.15 | b52laptop | anyone, the cable is plugged and the led is on |
| 13:36.20 | b52laptop | hm |
| 13:36.44 | b52laptop | anyone, the eth0 is my network old interface .... |
| 13:36.51 | b52laptop | i want to make eth1 run :D |
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| 13:37.29 | liable | b52laptop: so eth1 is your new card? |
| 13:37.36 | b52laptop | liable, yeap |
| 13:37.41 | anyone | b52laptop: are you sure the new one was not matched to eth0 and the old one became eth1 ? |
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| 13:38.08 | liable | b52laptop: what show is 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 13:38.20 | b52laptop | anyone, nop thre the ouptut of dmesg | grep eth1 , it's my new card |
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| 13:38.56 | b52laptop | liable, give me a minute i must copy all from the other screen :d |
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| 13:39.07 | liable | b52laptop: just the ifaces will do |
| 13:39.15 | liable | b52laptop: is it just lo and eth1 ? |
| 13:39.31 | liable | i dont want to see the whole output |
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| 13:39.46 | b52laptop | it give the output of eth1 lop and eth0 |
| 13:39.58 | b52laptop | liable, wait i paste the output of eth1 and lo i have record them |
| 13:40.01 | liable | b52laptop: so eth0 is still plugged in? |
| 13:40.09 | liable | b52laptop: i dont need to see it |
| 13:40.21 | b52laptop | liable, eth0 is not plugged |
| 13:40.32 | b52laptop | ifdown eth0 |
| 13:40.33 | b52laptop | ? |
| 13:40.37 | liable | b52laptop: is it still physically inside the box? |
| 13:40.43 | b52laptop | liable, nop |
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| 13:40.48 | b52laptop | only eth1 is plugged |
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| 13:41.09 | liable | i mean, did you swap the card out, or is the old one still in there? |
| 13:41.29 | b52laptop | liable, the old one is embedded in the motherboard |
| 13:41.35 | b52laptop | so still in it :) |
| 13:41.38 | liable | b52laptop: right |
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| 13:42.00 | liable | b52laptop: ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1 |
| 13:42.02 | liable | try that |
| 13:43.40 | b52laptop | liable, he doesn;t receive a DHCPOFFERS i will try with static address ? |
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| 13:44.28 | liable | b52laptop: you can try, but you''l have to set a route as well. check your dmesg for errors for that card |
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| 13:44.43 | b52laptop | liable, ok |
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| 13:45.06 | liable | b52laptop: when it says link not ready like your paste said, it generally means it hasnt detected the cable being plugged in |
| 13:45.13 | jojo^_ | How can I disable NCQ for my SATA drives? |
| 13:45.47 | b52laptop | liable, oh that's bad because the cable is in it :(((( |
| 13:46.45 | Thanatermesis | where i can get unnoficial netinstall's with a very updated kernel ? |
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| 13:47.02 | liable | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 13:48.31 | sciboy | Hey guys, got a bit of a problem, seems I accidentally removed my /bin |
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| 13:48.56 | Thanatermesis | liable, Thanks |
| 13:48.59 | liable | just a bit of a problem.. o_0 |
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| 13:49.04 | pumpkin0 | sciboy: swap the drive out, put it into another box and copy over a working /bin |
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| 13:49.08 | sciboy | Now my ext. hd is in use by my father and he's using NTFS so I can't copy my /home |
| 13:49.36 | sciboy | That's not an option, it's a SATA disk and no other computers in the house will take it. |
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| 13:50.12 | pumpkin0 | sciboy: boot with knoppix/live CD and copy it from there. It's not 100% OK, but it should be bootable. |
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| 13:50.20 | sciboy | Shouldn't I be able to move all the files into a subdirectory and then bootstrap the root? |
| 13:50.43 | sciboy | I tried, seemed it didn't like my hardware (will file a bug report later) |
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| 13:50.58 | liable | mv anc cp are in /bin |
| 13:50.59 | pumpkin0 | sciboy: did you mix 64 and 32 Bit systems ? |
| 13:51.01 | liable | and* |
| 13:51.28 | sciboy | pumpkin0: I fail to see the relevance. |
| 13:51.49 | sciboy | 32-bit works fine under a 64-bit system. |
| 13:51.52 | DeFirence | ok, heres what i want to do, could someone just tell me the easiest way to get it done: |
| 13:51.53 | DeFirence | i need to setup my server that when someone go's to http://one.domain.com (port 80) it go's to port 8000 on the debian server and if someone go's to http://two.domain.com (port 80) it go's to port 8010 on the debian server. |
| 13:52.07 | pumpkin0 | sciboy: you copied afreah /bon from a liveCd and it failed. So i guess you mixed a 64bit install with a 32bit CD... |
| 13:52.23 | liable | sciboy: do you have a seperate partition on it? |
| 13:52.27 | DeFirence | i can have multiple ip addresses on the debian server... |
| 13:52.56 | sciboy | liable, not at the moment but once this is fixed I'll be sure to move my /home onto a new partition. |
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| 13:54.11 | pumpkin0 | DeFirence: the DNS (one.domain... vs sec.domain...) cannot change the port. You can put a server on 80 and let it make the redirects. Or use 2 IPs and remap the ports. If 80 is free => go webserver and http-redirects |
| 13:54.38 | liable | sciboy: without making a seperate partition or using another disk, i dunno how you are going to copy home and preserve it during a reinstall |
| 13:55.13 | sciboy | liable: That's why I'm considering a bootstrap, it doesn't require a format. |
| 13:55.14 | liable | sciboy: i guess you should be able to do a bootstrap install into a dir |
| 13:55.19 | DeFirence | ok pumpkin0... |
| 13:55.35 | pumpkin0 | liable: he does not want to reinstall. He wants to debbootstrap the thing again. It may work, it may blow away the system. |
| 13:56.13 | DeFirence | pumpkin0: how can i run two webservers on debian both on port 80 but on seperate ip's |
| 13:56.13 | sciboy | pumpkin0: Reinstall? I am reinstalling I just rather not lose all my files in the process. |
| 13:56.37 | sciboy | liable: I don't know the specifics on how to do this in debian though, especially running from the debian installer cd. |
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| 14:00.19 | liable | sciboy: i'm not much help, only done it once myself some time ago. there should be howto's out there somewhere though |
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| 14:00.55 | fairway | hi all is http://localhost/~username disabled in debian apache2 per default? |
| 14:00.57 | harpal | For dhcpserver what port I should allow |
| 14:01.01 | liable | sciboy: is this an etch box? |
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| 14:01.22 | sciboy | liable: Unstable |
| 14:01.54 | cydork | fairway: yes, you have to enable userdir module for that. |
| 14:02.18 | liable | sciboy: am wondering if you can mount your disk from the installer and copy over the basic /bin tools enough to get you going |
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| 14:02.34 | fairway | cydork: which file is it? |
| 14:02.43 | fairway | cydork: and how to activate it |
| 14:02.55 | sciboy | liable: If I can get the danr disk to mount I'll take a look. |
| 14:02.59 | sciboy | darn* |
| 14:03.05 | cydork | fairway: it's a module. look at a2enmod |
| 14:03.14 | liable | sciboy: you should be able to mount it fine from the installer |
| 14:03.15 | fairway | k |
| 14:03.19 | fairway | whats a2enmod? |
| 14:03.25 | cydork | fairway: man a2enmod :P |
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| 14:03.28 | fairway | k |
| 14:03.58 | liable | sciboy: you might want to considor your options before you shut it down though :) |
| 14:04.30 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.28 | sciboy | liable: Already shut down when it crashed. |
| 14:05.38 | DeFirence | how can i run two webservers on debian both on port 80 but on seperate ip's? |
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| 14:07.16 | liable | sciboy: oh well, give it a try |
| 14:07.37 | stew | DeFirence: you can tell apache/apache2 which ip address to bind to with the BindAddress directive |
| 14:07.44 | capiira | hi anyone have an idea why i always get a "timeout reached" when i copy large images over network to another computer? |
| 14:07.51 | capiira | im in gnome |
| 14:07.52 | DeFirence | thanks stew :) |
| 14:08.01 | codazoda | Hi. I'm running etch and don't have the lscpi command. I've searched the packages for it, to see what I'm missing, but can't find it. Can anyone tell me if it's in a specific package I need to install? |
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| 14:08.20 | stew | codazoda: pciutils (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
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| 14:08.32 | liable | sciboy: you should even be able to manually unarchive your sid debs from the busybox shell into /bin (this would be tedious though) |
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| 14:09.47 | danielss89 | Hi |
| 14:10.14 | codazoda | I'm not sure I understand the last part. I have pciutils installed already. |
| 14:10.21 | lenix | hi :) how do i get a list of installed packages on console? 'dpkg -l' seems to cut of the names... |
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| 14:11.22 | danielss89 | if i have 2 disks on 250 gb each, can i make linux see it as just one big harddrive? becouse right now i have only mounted one of them, and install debian and my mailsystem on that, but what if that drive is filled up, can i then mount the other so it extends the first drive in some way? or do i have to create a new mailsystem on that one too? |
| 14:11.27 | sciboy | liable: I think I may have a handle on it now, actually now I think about it the debian installer partitioner does have an option for using the partition "as is" |
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| 14:11.33 | laurly | hey guys having problems getting mail to send an attachment bash scripting tar.gz file anyone got a min to point me in the right direction |
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| 14:11.52 | JasonF | Is there any reason I'd want larger blocksizes on a filesystem? I'm trying to setup an FS that will be heavy read/write on large files (innodb database) |
| 14:12.01 | ErichDotzer | laurly: rename the file so it does not contain spaces |
| 14:12.08 | stew | lenix: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep '^i'" or "aptitude search '~i'" |
| 14:12.11 | JasonF | Anyone have any good information on this, or possibly can link me to a good article on it? |
| 14:12.12 | cydork | lenix: you can do COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l or use dpkg-query to customise output |
| 14:12.15 | laurly | 2007-10-29.tar.gz |
| 14:12.18 | laurly | date count? |
| 14:12.23 | sciboy | Unless someone can vouch for it though, I'm not ready to risk trying it out. |
| 14:12.24 | cydork | !win stew |
| 14:12.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 14:12.27 | ErichDotzer | laurly: ah. no that looks fine |
| 14:12.28 | liable | sciboy: yeah, i have tried that in the past, never worked. tread carefully with that one |
| 14:12.30 | lenix | i see, thanks a lot :) |
| 14:12.33 | laurly | hmm not that either tryed it with text.txt |
| 14:12.51 | ErichDotzer | laurly: what do you use to do mail? |
| 14:12.54 | codazoda | So, I see "pciutils is already the newest version." but I still get "bash: lscpi: command not found". |
| 14:13.02 | laurly | trying just mail fucntion |
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| 14:13.15 | ErichDotzer | laurly: where? :) |
| 14:13.25 | laurly | mail -s "test" -a 2007-10-29.tar.gz me@gmail.com < test.txt |
| 14:13.29 | sciboy | liable: Well right now debootstrap is doing its thing, I moved all the content of the root into a folder named backup. |
| 14:13.43 | ErichDotzer | laurly: ooooh, on the command line you mean? |
| 14:14.01 | laurly | well i did find a few bash scripts but couldnt get them to work either |
| 14:14.10 | th1 | lenix, try dpkg-query -W |
| 14:14.17 | stew | codazoda: what does "dpkg -L pciutils | grep lspci" return? it should return /usr/bin/lspci ; if neither /bin/lspci nor /usr/bin/lspci exists, i'd recommend "aptitude reinstall pciutils" |
| 14:14.29 | laurly | http://grimthing.com/archives/2004/09/18/bash-email-script-with-attachment/ <-- didnt work |
| 14:14.44 | ErichDotzer | laurly: the command line tool "mail" requires a mail transport agent to be setup so you can send emails to the outside world |
| 14:15.29 | laurly | it does send the mail ErichDotzer. it just dumps the .gz into the mail as text and that isnt an attachment i can use as backups |
| 14:15.31 | sciboy | Speaking of which, what's a good terminal based irc? |
| 14:15.33 | ErichDotzer | laurly: you need an own mail server so to say |
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| 14:15.38 | sciboy | I may need it. ;) |
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| 14:15.50 | laurly | the mails do send thats not the problem the problem is that they dont send as attachments. |
| 14:15.51 | ErichDotzer | laurly: ah. you send mails locally. well |
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| 14:16.30 | laurly | basicly im backing up mysql into big. tar then mail it off to gmail so that if anything goes wrong i have copys. problem is mailing them off |
| 14:16.33 | stew | sciboy: irssi |
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| 14:17.16 | laurly | i just think im not doing the attaching right been a while since i have used bash |
| 14:17.44 | Naitse | why is so dificult to make an easy job like remove a menu... |
| 14:17.45 | codazoda | Err. Sorry, I just got dumped off my hotels wifi. I was sayng that I already have pciutils installed, but I get "command not found" when running lscpi. Is there something else I need to run to make that command available? |
| 14:18.04 | ErichDotzer | laurly: i am unsure if plain "mail" can do attachments. you could try pine or mutt |
| 14:18.18 | th1 | codazoda, its lspci not spcpi |
| 14:18.25 | laurly | mutt isnt installed let me try pine |
| 14:19.14 | codazoda | Oh geez. I guess I'm dyslexic. |
| 14:19.41 | sciboy | Okay thanks guys, I should be able to login from my desktop now. |
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| 14:19.54 | danielss89 | premature end of script headers |
| 14:20.00 | sciboy | I used debootstrap and chroot to get my system started. |
| 14:20.03 | danielss89 | fajita: premature end of script headers |
| 14:20.13 | laurly | hmm no pine either |
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| 14:21.12 | ErichDotzer | laurly: can you access google mail from there? cause you could mail to yourself via the browser |
| 14:21.14 | sciboy | liable: Which was quite simple actually, deboostrap sid /mnt/hd http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 14:21.21 | sciboy | debootstrap* |
| 14:21.58 | laurly | ErichDotzer want to set this up in cron tab. have it auto send the backups once a week. |
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| 14:22.06 | MicW | hi |
| 14:22.11 | ErichDotzer | laurly: oh. hm |
| 14:22.23 | MicW | which debian kernel package do i need to run my debian as domU in xen? |
| 14:22.23 | Asmooh | hmm.. will * work in apache virtualhost? so *.domain.ext will go to /dir/user/public_html/.. everything ill put in the *place ? or do i need to add everything |
| 14:22.23 | th1 | how can I check the link speed of my gigabit ethernet card if it is in 100mbit mode or 1000mbit mode? |
| 14:22.38 | sciboy | Brb |
| 14:22.47 | vaq | How do i upload directories with the "ftp" command ? |
| 14:22.52 | vaq | and not only files |
| 14:22.59 | Nyle | put something |
| 14:23.04 | danielss89 | if i have 2 disks on 250 gb each, can i make linux see it as just one big harddrive? becouse right now i have only mounted one of them, and install debian and my mailsystem on that, but what if that drive is filled up, can i then mount the other so it extends the first drive in some way? or do i have to create a new mailsystem on that one too? |
| 14:23.05 | Nyle | go read an ftp document |
| 14:23.17 | vaq | Nyle: ehm, put dir gives: dir: not a plain file. |
| 14:23.21 | vaq | Nyle: soo no. |
| 14:23.24 | th1 | vaq, it is not simple with standard ftp. |
| 14:23.34 | Nyle | like i saiid... go read a doc |
| 14:23.37 | vaq | th1: really? |
| 14:23.38 | Nyle | search google |
| 14:23.52 | Nyle | i wonder if man ftp does anything |
| 14:23.54 | th1 | vaq, you can try first: prompt and then: mget -r dirname |
| 14:24.18 | th1 | but standard ftp client is very simple.. try using a more advanced one like ncftp or lftp |
| 14:24.29 | vaq | th1: okay thanks. |
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| 14:25.07 | jhiver | any wireshark / ethereal gurus in there? |
| 14:25.24 | azeem | !ask |
| 14:25.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:25.42 | jhiver | ok =) |
| 14:26.01 | vaq | th1: seems like lftp put command cant take directories |
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| 14:26.15 | jhiver | how do i capture directly in normal ethernet mode rather than linux capture mode with tshark / wireshark? |
| 14:26.19 | th1 | I have this Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03). Is there a Debian command that I can use to query its link speed ie. 1000 or 100 mbit? |
| 14:26.45 | keith4 | th1: doesn't ifconfig report that information? |
| 14:26.47 | spq | how can i configure a debian package on 10+ servers over ssh? |
| 14:26.48 | jhiver | how do i capture directly in normal ethernet mode rather than linux COOKED-mode with tshark / wireshark? |
| 14:26.53 | jhiver | i meant |
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| 14:26.59 | keith4 | spq: using sshkeys, and a shell script |
| 14:27.09 | tarzeau | spq: you could use debconf seeding? |
| 14:27.11 | torgrimt | th1: mmi-tool |
| 14:27.45 | spq | keith4, ssh keys is done already, the shell script / how to say apt/dpkg to configure it in a given way |
| 14:27.46 | tarzeau | spq: the dphys-config package has an example |
| 14:27.47 | th1 | torgrimt, accordfing to mii-tools man page it only supports 100base and 10base |
| 14:27.56 | torgrimt | th1: really? |
| 14:28.09 | th1 | also its showing I have 100mbps link when I think it should be gigabit according to the lights on my switch |
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| 14:28.12 | spq | debconf seeding, dpkys-config ok, ill look for these - thank you |
| 14:28.18 | glen_quagmire | hai. i need halp |
| 14:28.19 | tarzeau | spq: here's an example what it looks like: file:///usr/share/doc/dphys-config/examples/site.example/general.seed |
| 14:28.19 | torgrimt | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 14:28.21 | torgrimt | hmm, |
| 14:28.39 | glen_quagmire | how can I set up an email server that can send emails ? |
| 14:28.53 | keith4 | spq: once you have sshkeys working, you can just say "ssh foo uptime"... you can do similar with any script that you either push to the machines, or share via nfs or such |
| 14:28.54 | th1 | torgrimt, is that for a gigabit connection too? |
| 14:28.56 | DawnLight | glen_quagmire: why do that? |
| 14:28.57 | glen_quagmire | after rsync, i need to send out logfiles to people |
| 14:29.03 | tarzeau | spq: you just say /usr/bin/debconf-set-selections your.seed.file |
| 14:29.03 | glen_quagmire | it's not for spam |
| 14:29.10 | torgrimt | th1: jeh, but you are right, it dosent support it it seems |
| 14:29.12 | tarzeau | spq: and then install the packages. and they don't ask you stuff |
| 14:29.27 | DawnLight | glen_quagmire: install exim4 |
| 14:29.34 | glen_quagmire | i tried mail -s "hi" myemail@gmail.com but gmail doesnt' receive |
| 14:29.56 | spq | tarzeau, how do i generate such a seed file? |
| 14:30.08 | th1 | torgrimt, :) found it |
| 14:30.11 | laurly | its going to be silly if i have to use php to send emails |
| 14:30.13 | DawnLight | glen_quagmire: and read /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.html |
| 14:30.13 | tarzeau | spq: debconf-get-selections |
| 14:30.14 | th1 | aptitude install ethtool ; ethtool eth0 |
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| 14:30.18 | torgrimt | th1: ethtool |
| 14:30.24 | torgrimt | heh jeh i found it aswell ;) |
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| 14:30.27 | tarzeau | spq: and > my.seed.file (after you've answered the questions on a machine, once) |
| 14:30.27 | th1 | hehe |
| 14:30.28 | glen_quagmire | DawnLight: thanks. |
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| 14:30.52 | tarzeau | spq: be careful with the format of the file, and yes you can add/remove stuff from it (don't need ALL output) |
| 14:31.00 | kwadronaut | i'm wondering that if i use a 64-bit kernel whether the source of /proc/net/dev is still inaccurate for faster lines (esp the rx/tx counters). |
| 14:31.12 | tarzeau | kwadronaut: no it's correct then |
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| 14:31.25 | sciboy | Hi. =D |
| 14:31.31 | sciboy | This is from my SID box. |
| 14:31.34 | tarzeau | kwadronaut: what i have on my amd64: RX bytes:553044936109 (515.0 GiB) TX bytes:441042187383 (410.7 GiB) |
| 14:31.34 | fairway | cydork: thanks for your help, it works now. |
| 14:31.47 | sciboy | How do you close an "Act" in irssi? |
| 14:31.59 | DawnLight | glen_quagmire: a tip. choose to send via a smarthost so the messages won't end up in a spam trash bin |
| 14:32.07 | tarzeau | sciboy: meta-a ? |
| 14:32.36 | sciboy | meta? |
| 14:32.41 | tarzeau | sciboy: alt |
| 14:32.56 | sciboy | Nope. |
| 14:32.59 | glen_quagmire | DawnLight: exim is better than postfix, qmail...etc? |
| 14:33.01 | sciboy | Doesn't work. =( |
| 14:33.19 | fairway | what's the name of the current testing branch? |
| 14:33.27 | petemc | lenny |
| 14:33.32 | fairway | heh |
| 14:33.45 | DawnLight | glen_quagmire: i don't know. it is the debian default. |
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| 14:33.51 | kwadronaut | tarzeau: because on a 32bit kernel, once you have bursts on your network (think filling up half a 100Mbit line) it's not correct anymore. |
| 14:33.54 | DawnLight | !exim4 > glen_quagmire |
| 14:34.00 | DawnLight | !exim4 |
| 14:34.00 | dpkg | [exim4] the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:34.02 | glen_quagmire | DawnLight: oh i see |
| 14:34.03 | tarzeau | kwadronaut: i know because it's 32bit only |
| 14:34.06 | spq | tarzeau, ok thank you - i just need the not commented lines, correct? |
| 14:34.16 | kwadronaut | thanks tarzeau for confirmation :-) |
| 14:34.20 | tarzeau | spq: yes, but i'd keep the commented ones if i were you |
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| 14:35.39 | spq | tarzeau, why? wont the comments be added to the file on the other side? and i have to generate the file for each server, cause i need the hostname for some questions |
| 14:35.41 | Nyle | does anyoen know of a good public reliable dns server that is always up and has everything |
| 14:35.53 | Nyle | my dns server sucks and I can't get to a lot of sites |
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| 14:35.58 | redduck686 | Nyle: everydns, afraid. |
| 14:36.21 | Nyle | redduck686: not that |
| 14:36.24 | petemc | Nyle: opendns |
| 14:36.36 | Nyle | redduck686: I need one only for resolving |
| 14:36.42 | Nyle | my isp's dns servers suck |
| 14:36.47 | petemc | run your own |
| 14:36.48 | glen_quagmire | exim4 is already installed at the requested version (4.63-17) |
| 14:36.49 | p_masho | can anyone help please. Am pulling my hair out. For some reason my 1and1.root server seems to complety "seize" online .. have looked through the "lamp" stuff but cant see a problem |
| 14:36.59 | Nyle | most of the times debian mirrors give me dns errors |
| 14:37.02 | Nyle | can't resovle |
| 14:37.11 | Nyle | well that takes time |
| 14:37.16 | tarzeau | spq: you generate the seedfile just once? then use the same one on all computers? |
| 14:37.17 | DawnLight | i think the software in my usb diskonkey has gone wacky, rendering it inoperable. can i plug it in and flash it somehow? |
| 14:37.27 | p_masho | Where would i look for "hardware and os problems" .. also ntpd companis with errors.. out of my depths and learning fast... |
| 14:37.30 | tarzeau | spq: you can set the hostname in a different way, no need for debconf, isn't it? |
| 14:37.50 | DeFirence | um... how can i choose to install kde in debian setup, i chose desktop environment and it installed gnome so im formatting... ? |
| 14:37.54 | petemc | p_masho: /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages dmesg |
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| 14:38.20 | DawnLight | DeFirence: yo. aptitude is your friend |
| 14:38.20 | spq | tarzeau, i need to set the hostname as some answers for exim4-config |
| 14:38.24 | redduck686 | DeFirence: how about aptitude install kde ? |
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| 14:38.26 | rmaj | is there an email client (GUI one) that allows to have different accounts (with seprate login, separate SMTP, and spearate inbox folder)? so far only thunderbird seems (kmail have this function broken a bit, evolution seem to lack folders separation?) |
| 14:38.41 | petemc | DeFirence: you can pass arguments to the installer at boot time so tasksel installs kde instead of gnome, but its easier just to ignore tasksel and install what you want yourseldf |
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| 14:39.26 | DeFirence | DawnLight & redduck686: i wanna install it in setup so i know its a perfect install... cause i want to be able to test nx on a clean install |
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| 14:39.31 | glen_quagmire | ps -A|grep exim shows exim is already running! yay |
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| 14:40.00 | DawnLight | DeFirence: in aptitude, the last category is Tasks. there exists the Desktop task you installed. go in it, and purge all the pagkages it depends on. then... |
| 14:40.11 | tarzeau | spq: i see... |
| 14:40.41 | DeFirence | DawnLight: ill rather format and reinstall with kde :/ |
| 14:41.10 | JMartinC | hi guys, I accidentaly remove proftp app from my server without stoping it, then I install pure-ftpd but it can't bind the port, I've checke ps -A for proftp and nothing,, is there a way to unbind the port without restarting? |
| 14:41.17 | DawnLight | DeFirence: no need. the package management system is pedant |
| 14:41.35 | DeFirence | :? |
| 14:41.38 | DeFirence | :/ |
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| 14:41.58 | DawnLight | DeFirence: it leaves behind only logs, if i'm not mistaken |
| 14:41.58 | petemc | JMartinC: lsof -i :21 |
| 14:41.59 | rmaj | aptitude search truncates packages names, how to fix it? |
| 14:42.14 | DeFirence | hmm |
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| 14:42.34 | DeFirence | DawnLight: you know all the shit ive gone through with nx on debian |
| 14:42.46 | DeFirence | and ive read that lots of people have installed it fine |
| 14:42.50 | petemc | DeFirence: the nomachine debs work well |
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| 14:43.16 | DawnLight | petemc: on what arch do they work well? |
| 14:43.18 | DeFirence | petemc: nomachine nx and freenx seem to screw up my x |
| 14:43.27 | rmaj | when I want to install sylphed-claws-gtk2, then debian wants to remove half my applications! wtf? |
| 14:43.39 | petemc | DawnLight: you can assume i meant 32bit x86 |
| 14:44.13 | petemc | DawnLight: screw up x? how so? |
| 14:44.16 | petemc | DeFirence: ^^^ |
| 14:44.35 | DeFirence | http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.jpg |
| 14:44.45 | rmaj | when I try to install email client, debian removes hudrets of my apps including webbrowsers and other essential programs, wtf? |
| 14:44.56 | DeFirence | when i install it, after reboot i get that |
| 14:45.06 | stew | rmaj: /msg dpkg bat |
| 14:45.08 | DeFirence | and i have to uninstall nx before i can get into x again |
| 14:45.18 | petemc | DeFirence: check the perms of temp, they should be 1777 |
| 14:45.26 | petemc | erm, /tmp |
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| 14:45.41 | Chuki | hola gente |
| 14:45.42 | DeFirence | petemc: ive been through all that |
| 14:45.47 | DeFirence | tried everything |
| 14:45.48 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 14:45.52 | Chuki | alguien que hable español por aqui? |
| 14:45.55 | petemc | DeFirence: i doubt you've tried everything, but ok |
| 14:46.02 | DeFirence | well |
| 14:46.05 | Chuki | hello |
| 14:46.12 | DeFirence | rather, looked at everything |
| 14:46.13 | DeFirence | :P |
| 14:46.14 | Chuki | i have a problem with debian sarge |
| 14:46.23 | Chuki | anybody can help me? |
| 14:46.28 | petemc | Chuki: just ask |
| 14:46.35 | Chuki | ok, thanks |
| 14:46.54 | fireba11 | rmaj : you probably tried to install a gnome app on a kde-system or vice versa |
| 14:47.15 | Chuki | i'm triyin to install an apt-spy with "apt-get install apt-spy" |
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| 14:47.27 | porridge | hi |
| 14:47.32 | Chuki | and this is the error that i have |
| 14:47.43 | Chuki | root@flanders:~# apt-get install spy |
| 14:47.43 | Chuki | Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho |
| 14:47.43 | Chuki | Creando ?rbol de dependencias... Hecho |
| 14:47.43 | Chuki | E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete spy |
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| 14:48.06 | fireba11 | and i just thought about saying "i see a paste coming up" there ... |
| 14:48.09 | porridge | what is the best utility to recursively copy a lot of files from a drive which returns some read errors? |
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| 14:48.32 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:48.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 14:48.42 | Chuki | ok, thanks and sorry... |
| 14:48.44 | porridge | I tried tar|tar, but after a couple of errors they seem to get desynchronized, and the second tar ceases to write anything to disk |
| 14:48.51 | fireba11 | porridge : did you check if any of the "normal" copy tools got a option to continue on error ? |
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| 14:49.20 | porridge | fireba11: i'm using cp now, it hasn't gotten to the bad area yet |
| 14:49.30 | rmaj | stew: http://paste.debian.net/40952 |
| 14:49.34 | porridge | I was hoping someone already had this behind themselves |
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| 14:50.51 | Chuki | !paste |
| 14:50.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:50.51 | porridge | fireba11: but, no, there is noting in cp's manpage nor info page about IO errors |
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| 14:52.34 | debian | hello |
| 14:52.48 | petemc | porridge: you could look into dd_rhelp |
| 14:53.03 | debian | Is debian compatible with netgear wg111 v2 usb wireless networkcard |
| 14:53.05 | debian | ? |
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| 14:54.01 | abrotman | is linux? |
| 14:54.11 | debian | yes I'm usding linux! |
| 14:54.47 | rmaj | cool nick |
| 14:55.00 | skathirgamu | does anybody know what is this id column means from the top output Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 98.7% id, 1.3% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
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| 14:55.34 | rmaj | skandaleras: cpu usage for user, system, nice processes; id is idle (nothing) wa is waiting (for IO like hard drive) |
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| 14:56.24 | liable | debian: depends on the chip.. iirc that may have an atheros, so maybe, or maybe not. |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | !wifi |
| 14:56.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 14:56.34 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 14:56.34 | dpkg | somebody said wireless was The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless> |
| 14:56.35 | porridge | petemc: is it filesystem level or block device level? |
| 14:56.37 | liable | oh, usb.. not atherors compatable |
| 14:56.37 | hark | rmaj: pastebin apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy libc6 gnome-session |
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| 14:56.55 | petemc | porridge: you copy the whole partition to an image |
| 14:57.10 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 14:57.14 | skandaleras | rmaj: hmmm what? X) I guess your message is for another user |
| 14:57.26 | DeFirence | im uninstalling gnome from inside gnome |
| 14:57.28 | Swat2 | anyone able to help with a port being blocked when i've set a rule to allow it: http://pastebin.ca/753754 |
| 14:57.59 | porridge | petemc: not for me, then |
| 14:58.04 | abrotman | Swat2: #iptables |
| 14:58.06 | petemc | porridge: whys that? |
| 14:58.14 | Swat2 | abrotman: already there |
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| 14:59.05 | hark | xerophyte: http://rafb.net/p/t1hC6n19.html |
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| 14:59.35 | stew | rmaj: its not trying to remove half your system, its only trying to remove one package |
| 14:59.46 | stew | oh maybe 5 |
| 15:00.01 | stew | rmaj: but since you have a ton of broken packages, i'd recommend running "aptitude -f install" |
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| 15:00.17 | stew | rmaj: how did all of those packages get broken? are you trying to manually downgrade or something? |
| 15:01.02 | spq | how can i activate a config i seeded with debconf-set-selections? (something like run dpkg-reconfigure but without asking the questions, just using the preseeded values) |
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| 15:01.14 | Swat2 | just saw a spinifex flow through #iptables |
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| 15:03.45 | rmaj | stew: not shure |
| 15:03.47 | rmaj | stew: not sure |
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| 15:04.36 | stew | rmaj: what is your goal? it appears that you have some broken packages installed from testing, but you are trying to install packages from stable now |
| 15:05.06 | rmaj | stew: I want to use sylphed claws gtk2 |
| 15:05.13 | stew | rmaj: are you trying to run testing or stable? |
| 15:05.23 | rmaj | stew: it would be also bool to use not 1.5 years old GTK if possible |
| 15:05.36 | rmaj | stew: some tools I use seem to be ony in testing in acceptable versions |
| 15:05.44 | rmaj | s/bool/cool |
| 15:05.55 | stew | rmaj: so you are trying to run testing? |
| 15:06.06 | rmaj | stew: yes |
| 15:06.07 | stew | rmaj: or are you trying to mix stable and testing? |
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| 15:06.33 | rmaj | stew: which one do you recommend? either is good for me I guess |
| 15:06.51 | stew | rmaj: mixing stable and testing is bad |
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| 15:07.07 | rmaj | stew: I guess using testing and some (3 or 4) packages from unstable would be best; but pure testing is also an option |
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| 15:07.21 | stew | rmaj: put your sources.list into a pastebin |
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| 15:08.11 | fairway | login with phpmyadmin i now get an error #2002 - server not responding |
| 15:08.18 | jerome | hi there, how would I install grub on an existing xen VM to make it bootable for kvm ? I already installed a kernele in the VM, by mounting&chrooting in, but I would like not to break the image, if possible. |
| 15:08.27 | porridge | petemc: because I have almost 300 GB of data to save, and just a little under 320 GB of free space |
| 15:08.37 | porridge | petemc: nowhere to put an intermediate image |
| 15:08.48 | fairway | ah not installed |
| 15:09.13 | rmaj | stew: http://paste.debian.net/40953 |
| 15:10.39 | stew | rmaj: so you just now added the testing source? |
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| 15:10.55 | stew | rmaj: (like since you showed me the problem where aptitude was trying to remove 5 packages?) |
| 15:11.00 | rmaj | stew: it was that way for some time now; its quite possible there is some mic |
| 15:11.02 | rmaj | mix |
| 15:11.09 | rmaj | stew: nope |
| 15:11.17 | stew | rmaj: when was the last time you ran aptitude update ? |
| 15:11.45 | eth01 | how would I unzip foo.zip into devel ? |
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| 15:11.51 | stew | rmaj: get rid of the stable sources, (i'd recommend adding a security source for testing: /msg dpkg security). run aptitude update ; aptitude -f install ; that should hopefully fix all of your broken packages ; (you can see the list of broken packages with "aptitude search ~b") ; after you have gotten rid of all of your broken packages, try sylpheed again |
| 15:11.54 | eth01 | devel/ * |
| 15:12.07 | stew | eth01: cd devel ; unzip /path/to/foo.zip |
| 15:12.15 | Swat2 | abrotman: you any good w/ iptables? |
| 15:12.27 | eth01 | thx. |
| 15:12.29 | stew | eth01: or probably unzip has an option in the manpage |
| 15:12.35 | abrotman | Swat2: not when you've got 2000 lines of iptables |
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| 15:13.01 | petemc | heh |
| 15:13.14 | Swat2 | abrotman: they are just ip-addresses i want to allow |
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| 15:13.27 | Swat2 | theres only 30 lines of iptables |
| 15:13.28 | spq | how can i activate a config i seeded with debconf-set-selections? (something like run dpkg-reconfigure but without asking the questions, just using the preseeded values) |
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| 15:14.52 | stew | Swat2: what ip address / port is being denied that you think shouldn't be? |
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| 15:15.37 | Swat2 | stew: its at the top of the paste |
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| 15:17.58 | stew | Swat2: so you seem to be allowing things based on either source ip or dest port. the source ip address is 218.215.194.224 and there is no rule that allows that ip, the dest port is udp/27015 and there is no rule to allow that either. |
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| 15:18.46 | Swat2 | stew: line 78 |
| 15:18.55 | Swat2 | but, i think your right |
| 15:19.04 | Swat2 | i missed my own IP address |
| 15:19.05 | Swat2 | ahaha |
| 15:19.11 | Swat2 | what a Dickhead! |
| 15:19.27 | hark | rmaj: i guess as there is no sylpheed-claws-gtk2 package in testing, it tried to install the one from stable |
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| 15:20.44 | faber4 | hi everybody, whats the standard most common port for IRC ? |
| 15:20.53 | kwadronaut | 6697 |
| 15:20.58 | rmaj | stew: http://paste.debian.net/40954 is that a good solution, it will not remove tens of apps will it? |
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| 15:21.33 | xXCarpXx | lol |
| 15:21.37 | hark | rmaj: try with "sylpheed-claws" |
| 15:21.40 | xXCarpXx | i heard -f is not a good option^^ |
| 15:21.49 | rmaj | hark: ok thanx |
| 15:21.50 | xXCarpXx | and it will remove tons of apps, wont it? |
| 15:22.03 | petemc | faber4: grep irc /etc/services |
| 15:22.27 | stew | rmaj: that is going to remove tons of apps |
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| 15:23.34 | rmaj | stew: ;( |
| 15:23.42 | abrotman | kwadronaut: no it's not |
| 15:23.45 | stew | rmaj: i recommend running the aptitude frontend to sort it out |
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| 15:24.41 | stew | rmaj: or perhaps you should try selecting the "clear pending actions" or whatever it is called from the actions menu and start again |
| 15:25.32 | rmaj | stew: can I do simmilar things in some gui? |
| 15:25.50 | stew | rmaj: if you run "aptitude" by itself |
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| 15:26.32 | rmaj | and synaptics? |
| 15:27.00 | biz | is there a quick way to get rid of pinentry-gtk-2 while using gpg? like unsetting SSH_ASKPASS... for ssh stuff? |
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| 15:27.21 | Swat2 | stew: thanks for your help, sorry for wasting your time |
| 15:27.33 | Swat2 | i didnt have my own ISP's ip range in the list |
| 15:27.34 | Swat2 | heh |
| 15:27.37 | stew | Swat2: don't worry about it |
| 15:27.51 | kwadronaut | abrotman: owh sorry that's for irc with ssl |
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| 15:27.55 | faber4 | petemc: 6697 or 6667 for the port ? |
| 15:28.19 | petemc | faber4: what does /etc/services say? |
| 15:29.14 | faber4 | petemc: 194 |
| 15:29.27 | petemc | for ircd |
| 15:29.28 | faber4 | petemc: but i need this to block irc traffic through our firewall |
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| 15:29.58 | DeFirence | how do you add ip addresses in debian? |
| 15:30.00 | rmaj | how to limit bandwitch used by apt-get ? |
| 15:30.24 | petemc | faber4: 6667 by default, but it can run on any port, and ssl irc uses a different port as well |
| 15:30.52 | petemc | faber4: also, lots of people ssh to a machine and irc from there, or use a cgi irc gateway |
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| 15:31.49 | stew | DeFirence: you can either add a nic alias like "eth0:1" or "eth0:2" etc and add a section for them in /etc/network/interfaces (see exmples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz) or you can add "up ip add addr 1.2.3.4/24" or some such to an existng stanza |
| 15:32.22 | faber4 | petemc: the person i want to block uses some irc windows program to chat the whole time. |
| 15:32.23 | DeFirence | kk |
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| 15:33.40 | zgr | saluton |
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| 15:34.18 | petemc | faber4: sounds like a managerial problem more than a technical one, but ok.. |
| 15:34.28 | zgr | how to install fonts in ubuntu? |
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| 15:35.28 | suppaman | hello |
| 15:35.38 | |messiah| | I want to ask how can I see my KDE desktop from windows if I connect remotly |
| 15:35.50 | rmrfchik | x11vnc |
| 15:35.52 | suppaman | after a dist-upgrade I noticed tremulous-server has started |
| 15:35.53 | rmrfchik | and vnc client |
| 15:36.05 | petemc | or krfb |
| 15:36.27 | suppaman | I see it's in rc level 3 4 and 5 but I'm supposedly in rc 2 |
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| 15:38.14 | rmaj | isn't sylphed-claws older then -gtk2? it have so 1996's look |
| 15:38.27 | suppaman | how how do I check what runlevel am I in ? |
| 15:38.40 | Helmi0 | runlevel |
| 15:39.28 | rmaj | sylphed-claws is from 2005? |
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| 15:39.39 | suppaman | Helmi0: thx |
| 15:39.46 | suppaman | I'm at runlevel 2 |
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| 15:40.32 | suppaman | why did tremulous-server started when I did dist-upgrade? |
| 15:40.38 | stew | rmaj: yes, it appears that the most recent upstream version that has been uplaoded to debian was first uploaded in 2005: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws_1.0.5-5.2/changelog |
| 15:40.42 | suppaman | I have no S link in rc2.d ... |
| 15:41.09 | rmaj | Im looking for a serious gui email client on debian ant I cant find any |
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| 15:41.35 | stew | suppaman: becuase /var/lib/dpkg/info/tremulous-server.postinst restarts it when the package is upgraded |
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| 15:41.41 | |messiah| | there is some way to see my KDE desktop from my Windows? |
| 15:41.42 | Helmi0 | you can't get more serious than mutt |
| 15:41.58 | L0cKn | |messiah|: ##windows |
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| 15:42.00 | suppaman | stew: I see, thanks |
| 15:42.06 | L0cKn | :°D |
| 15:42.12 | stew | rmaj: apt-cache showpkg mail-reader |
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| 15:42.26 | rmaj | claws -old/looks very bad imho ; thunderbird - no advanced filtering or anything ; kmail - trouble supporting multiple accounts (they have same SMTP) ; evolution trouble supporting multiple accoutns(same inbox), and no good notifications (in the 1 year old version) can you recommend one |
| 15:42.40 | xep_ | hello everybody |
| 15:42.41 | xep_ | hello, have someone installed openvpn yet ? |
| 15:42.50 | stew | xep_: tons of people. just ask your real question |
| 15:42.59 | suppaman | stew: what 's the proper way to remove it from rc dirs ? I removed the S20tremulous-server link from rc2.d but I wonder if there is a proper way |
| 15:43.03 | xep_ | stew, the tunnel is well configure on both client and servers |
| 15:43.16 | |messiah| | but from linux I have to install something to share my desktop? |
| 15:43.18 | xep_ | stew, ping works both sides, BUT routing does not work |
| 15:43.22 | xep_ | any idea stew ? |
| 15:43.43 | rmaj | |messiah|: vnc? |
| 15:43.47 | stew | xep_: be more specific about what isnt' working |
| 15:44.02 | HardDisk_WP | how do I resize NTFS safely and shrink a EXT3 safely? |
| 15:44.06 | DeFirence | stew: do i have to do anything after i add up ip add addr 1.2.3.4/24 to a stanza? |
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| 15:44.12 | xep_ | stew, i want to route ALL the connections from client trough server |
| 15:44.17 | rmaj | sylphed claws 2 was close to beeing acceptable but now its not in testing |
| 15:44.21 | xep_ | (http for example) |
| 15:44.24 | DeFirence | cause i added an address but i cant ping it |
| 15:44.33 | xep_ | i have put "redirect-gateway" in the client openvpn.conf |
| 15:45.21 | stew | suppaman: that is one way to do it, although i believe packages might re-add it upon upgrade. another way which prevents this is to rename the S link to a K link. but none of this is going to stop the package from restarting the server when you upgrade it besides actually disabling or some way altering the init script or /etc/default/$SERVICENAME if it exists |
| 15:45.50 | suppaman | stew: you're exaustive as always. Are you a cyborg ? |
| 15:46.10 | stew | DeFirence: you need the iproute package installed, and then you need to restart that nic with either "ifdown ethX ; ifup ethX" or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:46.19 | stew | suppaman: no, bored with my current project at work |
| 15:46.25 | suppaman | you know, one of those Star Trek bots that assimilate every life being ? |
| 15:46.26 | DeFirence | kk |
| 15:46.30 | suppaman | "resistance is futile" |
| 15:46.33 | DeFirence | thanks |
| 15:46.53 | |messiah| | I never hear about VNC |
| 15:46.53 | suppaman | stew: last question, how did you check the responsible was "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tremulous-server.postinst " |
| 15:46.54 | suppaman | ? |
| 15:46.57 | |messiah| | I will look now thansk |
| 15:46.58 | xep_ | stew, "route" takes very long to show..... |
| 15:47.00 | suppaman | |messiah|: you really should |
| 15:47.04 | xep_ | one minute ! |
| 15:47.15 | vi390 | Iam installing ETCH netinstall with low Memory, and Iam hang at the moment at "searching for a mirror" It does not matter what Mirror I chose to download from it allways comes up with "bad archive mirror" |
| 15:47.21 | stew | xep_: "route -n" will skip the dns lookups |
| 15:47.29 | suppaman | xep_: you have some config problem, probably, I used to and routing table was _sluggish_ |
| 15:47.30 | vi390 | is there a mirror , which works ? |
| 15:47.52 | xep_ | stew, ok for -n, great ! |
| 15:48.03 | stew | vi390: i doubt you are finding lots of broken mirrors, are you sure dns is working? (you could test it from a console if you hit alt-f2) |
| 15:49.40 | DeFirence | after restarting the interface i get" |
| 15:49.42 | DeFirence | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 15:49.42 | xep_ | suppaman, stew, connections go through tun0 from client to server |
| 15:49.43 | DeFirence | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 15:49.47 | xep_ | i can see it with tcpdump |
| 15:49.58 | xep_ | but i think there is a config problem on server |
| 15:50.02 | vi390 | stew: Well I have an IP Adress from the router, ping is not avalable in this shell, so i can not test |
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| 15:50.14 | xep_ | stew, connections from client have to be adress-translated ? |
| 15:50.21 | xep_ | stew, on server ? |
| 15:50.36 | stew | xep_: i'd assume so |
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| 15:50.46 | xep_ | suppaman, what did you do to solve your problems ? |
| 15:51.01 | xep_ | stew, cat /proc/sys/net ... / ip_forward is 1 |
| 15:51.10 | xep_ | do i have to iptables ? |
| 15:51.18 | Helmi0 | vi390, see what nameservers are listed in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:51.43 | stew | xep_: but since you are most likely not using publicly routable addresses on the vpn, you'd have to masquerade them on the server, right? |
| 15:51.56 | suppaman | xep_: I can't recall now, I had some broken configuration as I was messing with routing table by hand |
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| 15:52.10 | xep_ | stew, i have to masquerade i think... |
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| 15:53.02 | vi390 | Helmi0: Its the IP from the router, so it seems ok |
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| 15:53.13 | xep_ | i want data coming from tunnel tun0 to acess the internet |
| 15:53.16 | xep_ | on server |
| 15:54.10 | xep_ | do i have to masquerade or iptabbles ? |
| 15:54.44 | vi390 | hmm so seems that I have a correct connection,and something else is not working with the mirrors... |
| 15:54.46 | stew | xep_: yes, i belive so |
| 15:55.24 | xep_ | how ? |
| 15:55.52 | stew | xep_: if you don't know how to setup masquerading yourself, the recommended way is to use the ipmasq package to setup the iptables rules for you |
| 15:56.15 | stew | vi390: i assume you are trying to install stable? what is one such mirror you are having problems with? |
| 15:56.35 | xep_ | stew, is there a GUI ? |
| 15:57.40 | stew | xep_: i doubt ipmasq has a gui, though i've never used it. there are lots of possible guis for writing general iptables scripts for you though |
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| 15:58.07 | xep_ | so what is the simpler solution for me ? |
| 15:58.14 | stew | ipmasq |
| 15:59.39 | xep_ | stew, then what to do with ipmasq in short ? |
| 15:59.47 | vi390 | stew: this is what Iam trying to install: debian-31r6a-i386-netinst.iso , ftp.de.debian.org would be on of them |
| 15:59.52 | stew | xep_: i have no idea, i've never used it |
| 15:59.57 | xep_ | lol |
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| 16:00.27 | stew | vi390: oh, you are trying to install an old version, it wouldn't be suprising if a lot of mirrors no longer carry it |
| 16:00.38 | stew | vi390: is there some reason you aren't trying to install the current version of debian? |
| 16:01.14 | fiddleswrk | does anyone use kicad here? |
| 16:01.29 | vi390 | stew: no, not really. Its just the one i have found in the download Archives |
| 16:02.05 | stew | vi390: well we'd certainly recommend you use a current version of debian instead of older one. go to debian.org and click on 'getting debian" |
| 16:02.24 | debian | what is the diffrence betwen Open and Shared key? I have my wep key 12345678901234567890123456? |
| 16:02.32 | DeFirence | stew: what does "SIOCADDRT: File exists" mean? |
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| 16:05.03 | stew | DeFirence: oh, i just realized i probably told you "ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24" but it really should have been "ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0" (or eth1, wlan0 whatever) |
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| 16:05.32 | DeFirence | ok, let me try that :) |
| 16:05.32 | stew | DeFirence: but that is not causing your current problem, which i believe basically is telling you that you are trying to somehow do the same thing with the routing table twice |
| 16:05.39 | DeFirence | oh |
| 16:05.40 | stew | DeFirence: what command gives you that output? |
| 16:06.23 | DeFirence | >>> /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:06.46 | stew | DeFirence: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:06.54 | DeFirence | kk |
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| 16:09.34 | DeFirence | stew: http://rafb.net/p/bqVV9169.html |
| 16:10.00 | DeFirence | i changed from what u told me to that, cause it wasnt working.. |
| 16:10.07 | DeFirence | but it still doesnt :/ |
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| 16:10.38 | xep_ | stew, "iptables -A OUTPUT -o tun1 -j ACCEPT" makes my vpn work |
| 16:10.48 | xep_ | stew, with alseo iptables -A INPUT -i tun1 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:11.01 | stew | DeFirence: remove the "network" and "broadcast" entries from both interfaces you don't need them. remove the gateway from eth0:1 you can only have one default gateway |
| 16:11.13 | DeFirence | ok |
| 16:11.20 | xep_ | stew, when the client will be on a different network ..... 192.168.... for the local wifi hotspot router |
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| 16:11.35 | stew | xep_: that indicates that you already have done something with iptables, since ACCEPT is the default policy unless you have something that changes it |
| 16:11.35 | xep_ | DIFFERENT than server 192... |
| 16:11.56 | xep_ | stew, will it work also, or will I have to do some masquerading ? |
| 16:11.57 | DeFirence | done. but doesnt help |
| 16:12.34 | xep_ | when client and server will be on totally DIFFERENT networks , will i have to masquerade ? |
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| 16:12.48 | xep_ | or NAT (adress translation? ) is it the same thing ? |
| 16:13.12 | dkr | masquerade is another term for nat, yes |
| 16:13.20 | xep_ | ok dkr |
| 16:13.21 | stew | its a special instance of nat |
| 16:13.33 | stew | err specific not special, well i guess it is special |
| 16:13.47 | stew | xep_: i believe you'll have to masquerade |
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| 16:14.07 | stew | xep_: however i no longer recommend using ipmasq since you already have some firewall script in place |
| 16:14.09 | xep_ | imagine : client 192.168.3.25 ------- wifi hotspot "trainstation" server 192.168.0.2 -------- modem isp router |
| 16:14.32 | xep_ | when i will want to go to internet on the client THROUGH server... |
| 16:14.36 | xep_ | will i have to masquerade ? |
| 16:15.12 | stew | xep_: something would have to masquerade a 192.168 address, i don't know if you already have something in place to do that |
| 16:15.25 | xep_ | ... sorry ? |
| 16:15.37 | xep_ | i don't exactly what to do ? |
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| 16:15.49 | stew | xep_: show us your current firewall script |
| 16:16.24 | xep_ | on server : nothing except "iptables -A OUTPUT -o tun1 -j ACCEPT // iptables -A INPUT -i tun1 -j ACCEPT" |
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| 16:17.07 | dkr | "modem isp router" is what needs to do NAT for your server ( and port forwarding ) |
| 16:17.24 | dkr | (if I read your diagram correctly) |
| 16:17.48 | stew | xep_: did it work before you ran "iptables -A OUTPUT -o tun1 -j ACCEPT"? |
| 16:17.55 | xep_ | stew, no ! |
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| 16:18.18 | xep_ | modem isp router routes correctly the tunnel to the server |
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| 16:18.23 | stew | xep_: then you must have some other firewall script, since by default, there are no rules and the default policy is to ACCEPT already, so adding a rule to ACCEPT when ACCEPT is the default wouldn't ahve done anything |
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| 16:18.37 | xep_ | stew, ok |
| 16:18.39 | stew | xep_: so somewhere you already have a script doing something with the firewall |
| 16:18.42 | xep_ | stew, how to know ? |
| 16:18.48 | dkr | hrm, I see this scrolls back pretty far. :) |
| 16:18.51 | sciboy_ | Hi, I'm using the debian installer in rescue mode to chroot into my HD. |
| 16:19.08 | stew | xep_: show us the output of "iptables -L -n" : use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:19.18 | sciboy_ | Thing is I need to reinstall grub, any ideas? Doing it from chroot doesn't seem to give it access to the device. |
| 16:19.27 | DeFirence | stew? |
| 16:19.43 | niklassss | how do you boot Debian without a graphic card? I just removed the graphic card, but now the SSH server wont start. Is there any way to disable graphics? |
| 16:19.50 | stew | sciboy_: bind mount dev into the chroot before you chroot, then inside the chroot, mount /proc ; mount /sys |
| 16:20.01 | suppaman | nick_fn: do the system start at all ? |
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| 16:20.06 | suppaman | nick_fn: what's the hardware |
| 16:20.13 | sciboy_ | stew: Is that the actual command to run? I've never used bind. |
| 16:20.22 | bzed | niklassss: if it's not really a server machine, changes are goot that it needs a graphics card. if you have a server board, attach yourself to the serial connector |
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| 16:20.33 | stew | sciboy_: "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" |
| 16:20.43 | xep_ | stew, http://pastebin.com/m34c0b49d |
| 16:20.45 | bzed | niklassss: you probably need to add console=ttyS0 to your kernel line |
| 16:20.51 | xep_ | stew, how did configure all these entries ??? not me ! |
| 16:21.01 | xep_ | i'm the only user of this computer ! |
| 16:21.17 | xep_ | stew, sorry, i would like to say "who" ? |
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| 16:21.28 | niklassss | bzed I'm going to run it as a server, so I don't need any graphics |
| 16:21.45 | stew | xep_: yeah, there are a lot of rules in there. if you had no firewall script, it would look like this by default: http://paste.debian.net/40963 |
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| 16:21.57 | suppaman | niklassss: oh I meant you, not nick_fn |
| 16:21.59 | ruben_ | Hello, using hylafax, I use lots of iaxmodems, what is the way to specify who is the fax (ttyax) for sending mail? others ttyiax are for recive, but if I send a job, all tty try to do 'something', any idea? |
| 16:22.13 | suppaman | niklassss: what hardware is it ? |
| 16:22.22 | xep_ | stew, where do these rules come from ? |
| 16:22.32 | niklassss | bzed: thank you, I will try to add that line. Actually I'm just going to run it without a graphics card temporarily. Something in the computer is making lots of noise, and I'm pretty sure it's the graphics card. So I want to run without it for a while to see if this noise stops. |
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| 16:22.36 | bzed | niklassss: so is your machine able to boot without graphics card? are you able to change the bios settings and stuff withot a graphics card? |
| 16:22.41 | stew | xep_: i don't know |
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| 16:22.53 | sciboy_ | stew: Thanks but no it still can't find the device. |
| 16:22.57 | harpal | xep_: flush all rules with iptables -F |
| 16:23.04 | niklassss | suppaman: Not really sure. Does it matter? |
| 16:23.11 | stew | xep_: check the output of "iptables -L -n -t nat" as well to see what masquerading rules might already exist |
| 16:23.26 | harpal | also do iptables -t nat -F |
| 16:23.33 | stew | sciboy_: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:23.45 | stew | no, don't do iptables -t nat -F |
| 16:23.50 | sciboy_ | stew: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:23.51 | suppaman | niklassss: if it's a pc compatible it should have an entry in BIOS to start without video card |
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| 16:23.52 | niklassss | bzed: If i detect that the graphics card is that is making the noise I will buy a new cheap one. I still have the old one for now. |
| 16:23.58 | sciboy_ | Whoops sorry. |
| 16:24.05 | stew | sciboy_: i know all about it :) |
| 16:24.19 | niklassss | suppaman: ah ok. I will have a look. thank you! |
| 16:24.44 | suppaman | niklassss: otherway it wouldn't even start |
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| 16:25.34 | plundra | Could someone suggest a large package please? :-) (Just want something large to fetch from the pool/...) |
| 16:25.34 | sciboy_ | stew: Paste bin is a bit of a hassle right now, but I did the steps you mentioned and then 'grub-install /dev/sda' and 'grub-install hd0' it says it either cannot be found or it isn't a block device |
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| 16:25.46 | lclimber | hello, i have a samba pdc server, i want to distribute software to my windows clients, what package do you recomend to do this?????? |
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| 16:25.58 | liable | plundra: openoffice :) |
| 16:26.12 | sciboy_ | sciboy_: I tried /dev/sda1 aswell |
| 16:26.21 | sciboy_ | ... |
| 16:26.27 | sciboy_ | Great now I'm talking to myself. |
| 16:26.47 | plundra | liable: Ah, of course :-) Thanks (>200M origs) |
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| 16:27.14 | dkr | lclimber: cp foo.exe /path/exported/via/samba ? |
| 16:27.21 | lclimber | yes |
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| 16:27.28 | bzed | plundra: plundra sauerbraten-data |
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| 16:27.53 | bzed | plundra: largest package I know. also isntall sauerbraten if you wanna play it - it's in non-free |
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| 16:28.35 | bzed | plundra: largest free package I know is qt-x11-free-dbg |
| 16:28.50 | plundra | bzed: Mkay |
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| 16:29.05 | sciboy_ | stew: Mainly I just need the files in /boot, the drive already has grub installed to it. |
| 16:29.06 | plundra | bzed: OOo was fine :) Just wanted to compare some mirrors, see which one was fastest. |
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| 16:29.15 | plundra | They all sucked I'm afraid... :[ |
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| 16:30.02 | stew | plundra: apt-cache show apt-spy netselect-apt |
| 16:30.09 | liable | sciboy_: try it in interactive mode, grub; root h/s<tab> |
| 16:30.27 | plundra | stew: I'm at the installer (not testing the speeds there thought, but anyway...) |
| 16:30.53 | plundra | Found one that was pretty fast, ~16MB/s is good enough I guess. |
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| 16:32.26 | sciboy_ | liable: what does the h/s stand for? |
| 16:32.36 | liable | sciboy_: h or s |
| 16:32.40 | liable | then tab |
| 16:32.53 | liable | sciboy_: grub has tab completeion like bash :) |
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| 16:33.14 | harpal | its for hda or sda? |
| 16:33.15 | dkr | even better, context sensitive tab completion. :) |
| 16:33.45 | sciboy_ | liable: It doesn't in mine, any how is that the only command needed? root (hd0,0) worked. |
| 16:33.53 | liable | sciboy_: actually, it should be '(h' anyway, even if it is sata |
| 16:34.07 | liable | sciboy_: setup (hd0) |
| 16:34.29 | liable | sciboy_: then quit |
| 16:34.38 | sciboy_ | liable: It says it succeeded, time for a reboot. =D |
| 16:34.39 | sciboy_ | Thanks. |
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| 16:36.45 | DeFirence | is there any way to make 2 pppoe connections from debian? |
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| 16:42.38 | bzed | DeFirence: that should work if you configure ppp manually. |
| 16:42.54 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 16:42.55 | bzed | DeFirence: or use pppoeconf twice and copy the configuration |
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| 16:43.10 | DeFirence | where is the configuration? |
| 16:43.11 | bzed | you'll run into the problem that both connections will try to set a default reoute |
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| 16:43.20 | bzed | /etc/ppp I think. |
| 16:43.21 | DeFirence | ya |
| 16:43.23 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 16:43.28 | DeFirence | ok |
| 16:43.33 | bzed | but I guess you can disable to set a default route |
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| 16:43.36 | DeFirence | another thing... |
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| 16:43.50 | bzed | there're howtos for load balancing over two connections in the net |
| 16:43.56 | bzed | DeFirence: ^ |
| 16:43.56 | stew | !split access |
| 16:43.57 | dpkg | split access is probably when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 16:44.08 | bzed | !stew++ |
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| 16:45.18 | DeFirence | if i want to bind a server to an ip and 127.0.0.1 is there a way to make another interface, that i can bind it to and then bind that interface to the ip and 127.0.0.1? |
| 16:45.38 | DeFirence | or something like that |
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| 16:47.46 | xep_ | re everybody |
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| 16:47.52 | xep_ | where is stored the iptable config ? |
| 16:47.57 | xep_ | /etc/.... ? |
| 16:48.03 | xep_ | i can'd find! |
| 16:48.32 | petemc | xep_: depending what you mean, there is none |
| 16:48.57 | twobitsprite | venting: god damn I hate suse |
| 16:49.00 | Asmooh | is there a way to make your server "secure".. so: php cant access shell_exec and stuff? |
| 16:49.01 | twobitsprite | ok, sorry |
| 16:49.19 | SamuraiDio | xep_, you can configure it by command line, without editing anything |
| 16:49.40 | spq | Asmooh, use safe mode, disabled functions etc |
| 16:49.52 | Asmooh | safe mode cant upload filea anymore? |
| 16:49.58 | spq | why? |
| 16:49.59 | xep_ | yes, but where the config is saved ? |
| 16:50.08 | xep_ | when i reboot, i don't want to reconfig again ! |
| 16:50.25 | twobitsprite | xep_: try checking /etc/init.d/iptables ... or create it |
| 16:50.49 | spq | Asmooh, define a path where users upload their files; make this dir chmod g+s and say php to look at the gid not the uid of files |
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| 16:50.58 | xep_ | twobitsprite, there is no such file |
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| 16:51.20 | xep_ | what is the *standard mean* for modifying iptables, keeping the changes active when i reboot, |
| 16:51.21 | twobitsprite | xep_: iptables doesn't save or read any state information, it is just a command which tells the kernel how to handle things... if you want your config to be used at reboot, but the respective commands in a script to be launched at boot time |
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| 16:51.34 | Asmooh | spq, yes but the problem is.. if i do `cat /file/file`; i see the file; and i want to disable all that stuff |
| 16:51.58 | xep_ | twobitsprite, is it strange that i have to do a script by myself |
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| 16:52.15 | xep_ | am I the only one who wants to config iptables and NOT have to do it again after a reboot ? |
| 16:52.18 | spq | Asmooh, with safe mode enabled, you can define a path where you have your allowed binaries (or none) |
| 16:52.34 | petemc | xep_: no, people put their rules in scripts |
| 16:52.48 | twobitsprite | xep_: it's not that hard.. you know what commands to run, just put those commands in a file, and link to the file from /etc/rc2.d/S99iptables or something |
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| 16:52.55 | spq | xep_, iptables-save |
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| 16:53.00 | xep_ | petemc, so why isn't there a /etc/iptables ffile , it would be simpler ! |
| 16:53.07 | |DuReX| | hellow, is there a way to mount swap with UUID's ? |
| 16:53.28 | petemc | xep_: its easy for you to add one |
| 16:53.38 | spq | xep_, rc.local |
| 16:53.46 | xep_ | why isn't it *standard* to have a /etc/iptables ? |
| 16:53.52 | xep_ | or /etc/network/iptables ? |
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| 16:54.13 | stew | xep_: becuase it doens't make sense for people with multieple possible network connections |
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| 16:54.19 | petemc | xep_: im pretty sure debian has an /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 16:54.21 | stew | rc.local is not a good place for firewall rules |
| 16:54.25 | stew | petemc: it does not |
| 16:54.28 | twobitsprite | xep_: gnu/linux is developped by volunteers without being paid... if you think something "should" be a certain way, then do it and submit your changes to the maintainers |
| 16:54.28 | petemc | oh |
| 16:54.40 | petemc | im still using /etc/rc.boot/0local ... |
| 16:54.41 | xep_ | twobitsprite, good remark :) |
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| 16:54.53 | DeFirence | hmmm |
| 16:55.02 | stew | twobitsprite: it used to be that way but it was removed as it wasn't the best way to handle firewalls |
| 16:55.13 | xep_ | there are lots of things when i do "iptables -L -n" |
| 16:55.22 | xep_ | where does all these things come from ? |
| 16:55.24 | FabParma__ | how can i make static a mount point? i mean that after the reboot i can see it again |
| 16:55.26 | twobitsprite | stew: interesting, why is that? |
| 16:55.28 | stew | xep_: create a script that does what you need and call it from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces ; or use iptables-restore from a pre-up line |
| 16:55.29 | xep_ | i have done nothing ! |
| 16:56.14 | stew | twobitsprite: becuase it makes more sense to install firewall rules for a given interface as you are bringing the interface up |
| 16:56.32 | twobitsprite | stew: good point |
| 16:56.34 | stew | xep_: you installed some firewall script |
| 16:56.40 | stew | xep_: or some firewall package |
| 16:56.46 | liable | FabParma__: a mount point is just a dir, you can mount stuff anywhere |
| 16:56.58 | xep_ | i did not, one hour before, i did not know "iptables" |
| 16:57.04 | stew | xep_: then someone else did |
| 16:57.09 | xep_ | i'm the only user |
| 16:57.19 | xep_ | where would be such scripts ? |
| 16:57.21 | stew | xep_: then some hacker hacked into your system and provided you with a firewall script |
| 16:57.24 | xep_ | i have to find them ... |
| 16:57.32 | twobitsprite | stew: lol |
| 16:57.36 | xep_ | stew, lol |
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| 16:58.06 | DeFirence | if i want to bind a server to an ip address and 127.0.0.1 at the same time, is there a way to make another interface, that i can bind it to and then bind that interface to the ip and 127.0.0.1? |
| 16:58.15 | stew | xep_: are you running debian? |
| 16:58.28 | xep_ | stew, it's solved |
| 16:58.33 | FabParma__ | liable: I mounted it, but when i reboot the system dont remember the mount point |
| 16:58.36 | xep_ | i rebooted the involved computer, |
| 16:58.40 | xep_ | and it has nothing ! |
| 16:58.45 | twobitsprite | DeFirence: 127.0.0.1 always refers to the local host... always... |
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| 16:58.51 | xep_ | so i have to go... see you tonight... |
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| 16:58.56 | dkr | stew: that's not as strange as it sounds. guys pwning machiens don't want others to pwn them after they have, so it only makes sense to apply security fixes/add some firewall rules. :) |
| 16:58.58 | xep_ | girlfriend's waiting..... |
| 16:59.08 | DeFirence | twinkiman: i know!!!! im not stupid |
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| 16:59.27 | stew | dkr: do you think they would add logging rules? : http://pastebin.com/m34c0b49d |
| 16:59.28 | DeFirence | read my question again... |
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| 16:59.52 | petemc | DeFirence: your question is badly worded |
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| 17:00.02 | dkr | stew: I was speaking in general, not about this case. I think this case is clear he installed a firewall package |
| 17:00.02 | twobitsprite | DeFirence: I assume you meants that to me... in which case I simply must not understand your question |
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| 17:00.35 | dkr | ipmasq, perhaps? |
| 17:00.38 | DeFirence | petemc: i ont know how better to word it :( |
| 17:01.08 | petemc | DeFirence: what do you really want to do? |
| 17:01.15 | FabParma__ | liable: I mounted it, but when i reboot the system dont remember the mount point that i created and that war working fine |
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| 17:01.23 | twobitsprite | DeFirence: are you wanting to assign a second IP to lo0? |
| 17:01.31 | DeFirence | no twobitsprite |
| 17:01.38 | liable | FabParma__: you have to mount it manually unless its in fstab |
| 17:01.43 | bzed | DeFirence: try again. your question indeed didn't make sense |
| 17:01.44 | _Romik_ | hi, what happends with wlassistant packege in Debian Lenny? |
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| 17:01.57 | DeFirence | ok... |
| 17:01.58 | DeFirence | um |
| 17:02.19 | bzed | _Romik_: removed due to too many serious bugs: http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wlassistant.html |
| 17:02.55 | DeFirence | i need to bind a server to two ip addresses, an ip and localhost... but the server only allows binding to a single ip or ANY. |
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| 17:03.01 | _Romik_ | and I can use? |
| 17:03.12 | DeFirence | does that make more sense? |
| 17:03.13 | DeFirence | :) |
| 17:03.15 | _Romik_ | * what can I use? |
| 17:03.22 | stew | DeFirence: what server? |
| 17:03.25 | bzed | DeFirence: which server? |
| 17:03.26 | DeFirence | shoutcast |
| 17:03.34 | twobitsprite | when you assign an IP to, i.e., eth0, that doesn't change the fact that 127.0.0.1 still works to point to localhost |
| 17:03.50 | twobitsprite | ohh |
| 17:03.56 | DeFirence | u still dont understand twobitsprite :P |
| 17:04.09 | bzed | DeFirence: in the worst case use firewall rules to redirect the traffic. or to block it on the other interfaces |
| 17:04.13 | twobitsprite | DeFirence: now I see, the confusion was in your choice of the word "server" :P |
| 17:04.36 | DeFirence | bzed: id prefer a better option :/ |
| 17:04.54 | eth01 | how would i go about renaming arctic-1.1.4-z to devel? |
| 17:04.57 | twobitsprite | does shoutcast have a configuration file for determining this? |
| 17:05.17 | DeFirence | yes, but u can only give 1 ip or ANY |
| 17:05.23 | twobitsprite | eth01: wrong window? |
| 17:05.33 | DeFirence | and i need an ip + 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:05.36 | eth01 | no... lol |
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| 17:05.42 | eth01 | -.- how would i rename the two? |
| 17:05.56 | eth01 | rename arctic-1.1.4-z devel -- correct? |
| 17:06.02 | twobitsprite | eth01: mv |
| 17:06.04 | stew | DeFirence: then use iptables to either redirect stuff from one ip to another, or bind to all ips and use iptables to prevent all connections except onthe two desired ips |
| 17:06.08 | twobitsprite | eth01: mv old new |
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| 17:06.30 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one find out the number of inodes a filesystem has ? |
| 17:06.41 | petemc | df -i |
| 17:06.42 | DeFirence | stew: are iptables hard to setup? |
| 17:06.51 | eth01 | no! that moves them twobit. |
| 17:07.00 | twobitsprite | eth01: what's the difference? |
| 17:07.02 | eth01 | i asked how to 'rename' lol |
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| 17:07.14 | eth01 | e.g. how to rename foo into foo1 |
| 17:07.17 | twobitsprite | eth01: can you tell me what the difference is? |
| 17:07.24 | stew | eth01: mv foo foo1 |
| 17:07.27 | eth01 | both folders, of course. |
| 17:07.31 | eth01 | stew: that moved them though? :/ |
| 17:07.39 | stew | eth01: yes |
| 17:07.53 | stew | eth01: they are the same operation |
| 17:07.55 | thelostbutler | petemc: thanks |
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| 17:08.23 | twobitsprite | alias rename=mv |
| 17:08.24 | twobitsprite | rename foo foo1 |
| 17:08.25 | twobitsprite | ;) |
| 17:08.38 | stew | rename is also a useful script though |
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| 17:08.39 | stew | DeFirence: iptables -A INPUT -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp --dport portnumber -j ALLOW ; iptables -A INPUT -d 1.2.3.4 -p tcp --dport portnumber -j ALLOW ; iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport portnumber -j REJECT |
| 17:08.56 | stew | DeFirence: that says allow from 127.0.0.1 or 1.2.3.4 or otherwise reject |
| 17:09.13 | eth01 | so now I have /devel/arctic-1.1.4-z/ ... when all i want is /devel/ without arctic-1.1.4-z ... |
| 17:09.28 | DeFirence | now i think im taking on more then i can ;( |
| 17:09.37 | twobitsprite | eth01: that means you /devel already existed.. |
| 17:09.38 | thelostbutler | how does one increase the number of the inodes a filesystem has when it is mounted ? |
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| 17:10.09 | eth01 | twobit**: yea. |
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| 17:10.46 | twobitsprite | eth01: if you want to rename a dir "foo" to "foo1" and a dir already exists called "foo1" you will have problems |
| 17:11.04 | eth01 | so all i want to do is unzip 8002bc-arctic-1.1.4-z.zip into /devel/ and of course, change it to devel at the same time ;) |
| 17:11.07 | twobitsprite | mv/rm/whatever the directory "foo1" and then "mv foo foo1" |
| 17:11.14 | stew | eth01: mv /devel/arctic-1.1.4-z/ . && rmdir devel && mv arctic-1.1.4-z devel ; that will take the subfolder, put it in this folder, remove the devel folder, and rename the one that was previously a subfolder to devel> |
| 17:11.29 | stew | eth01: that assumes that there is nothing else in devel but the arctic-1.1.4-z folder |
| 17:12.11 | DustyBin | http://www.nixp.ru/pub/img/just4fun/how_debian_changes_people.jpg |
| 17:12.41 | _Romik_ | bzed: can you recomended replacment of wlassistant? |
| 17:13.00 | _Romik_ | or any bode else? |
| 17:13.05 | _Romik_ | * body |
| 17:13.20 | petemc | network manager |
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| 17:14.28 | _Romik_ | , hi can remember KEYS of deferent SSIDs? |
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| 17:19.03 | Lovecraft | So, what is it in Debian that messes with the console fonts? |
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| 17:20.01 | Lovecraft | If I boot into single, the console fonts are fine. I hit ^d, and the get screwed. |
| 17:20.22 | stew | Lovecraft: /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 17:20.31 | Lovecraft | Doen't exist. |
| 17:20.54 | stew | 0 0 1-7 * 6 <- does that in cron not mean first saturday of the month at midnight? |
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| 17:21.10 | ezguy | how can i change the ulimit open file from 1024 to 4096 ? |
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| 17:23.22 | thelostbutler | ezguy: is that a temporary change or a change that needs to be preserved over rebootk ? |
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| 17:23.42 | ezguy | for regular user |
| 17:23.48 | abrotman | thelostbutler: did oyu find the smtp testing thing ? |
| 17:23.56 | ezguy | i can do it as root but not regular user |
| 17:24.29 | thelostbutler | abrotman: no, i did not , i spent most of the time poring over my config to see to i got anything wrong, and diving into the book of postfix :D |
| 17:24.38 | petemc | swaks is good for smtp testing |
| 17:24.47 | ezguy | any ideas? |
| 17:25.09 | cydork | stew: looks like it does.. |
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| 17:26.02 | stew | cydork: doesn't work though. my script ran this past saturday |
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| 17:26.15 | stew | cydork: i guess i can't combine 1-7 with the 6 |
| 17:26.29 | thelostbutler | petemc: wow, that is a nice pacakge to work with! thank you |
| 17:26.30 | stew | that's fine, my script now has if [ $(date +%d) -gt 7 ]; then exit 0 ; fi |
| 17:26.37 | cydork | stew: strange.. /me checks the man page again.. |
| 17:26.40 | abrotman | thelostbutler: it was actually called postal .. the binary inside was called rabid |
| 17:26.46 | abrotman | !info postal etch |
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| 17:26.49 | dpkg | postal: (SMTP benchmark - the mad postman.), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.62.1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 17:27.26 | assasukasse | hi, i wanna build a package for debian etch, after i install build-essential and all the deps, what else do i need in order to build a debian package? |
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| 17:27.36 | stew | archangelpetro: nothing |
| 17:27.51 | stew | archangelpetro: not you |
| 17:28.03 | stew | assasukasse: nothing assuming by deps you mean build-dep |
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| 17:28.39 | eth01 | how would i enable zend optimizer with php5 on debian? |
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| 17:28.52 | assasukasse | stew: actually i just read that the package needs libgtk2.0 and i did install that metapackage..nothing else should be needed. what is the command to build a debian package? |
| 17:28.52 | abrotman | zend isn't in debian |
| 17:29.03 | abrotman | assasukasse: libgtk2.0-dev or so |
| 17:29.17 | eth01 | abrotman: what else do you suggest? |
| 17:29.29 | assasukasse | abrotman: yes |
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| 17:29.31 | abrotman | eth01: ask them .. i'm just saying it's not in debian |
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| 17:30.12 | stew | assasukasse: use "apt-get build-dep packagename" to get the build-deps, "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" will build the package (you should install fakeroot if you haven't already) |
| 17:30.14 | cydork | stew: hmm it seems like it means it will run on 1-7 and on every saterday.. there is a similar example in man 5 crontab search for "every friday." |
| 17:30.28 | thelostbutler | ezguy: i dunno, how to set it per user /proc/sys/fs/file-max is for system wide i believe and /etc/sysctl.conf for having the value to preserved over reboot |
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| 17:30.53 | ezguy | ok |
| 17:31.04 | stew | cydork: oh, i missed that paragraph, thanks |
| 17:31.25 | assasukasse | thanks stew |
| 17:31.29 | cydork | stew: even i didn't knew about that.. :) |
| 17:31.52 | assasukasse | stew actually this package source is not in debian etch but i will try what happens |
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| 17:32.34 | stew | assasukasse: well if you are missing a build-dep, dpkg-buildpackage will tell you exactly which right away |
| 17:33.15 | assasukasse | stew, in the source instruction is said that i should run .configure first..should i still do if i run dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 17:34.08 | stew | assasukasse: debian/rules (which is the makefile called by dpkg-buildpackage) should be calling ./configure for you |
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| 17:35.05 | jcole | what is the maximum for uids/gids in linux? is there something i need to grep from /boot/config-`uname -r` ? |
| 17:35.10 | assasukasse | tnx stew |
| 17:35.30 | dkr | jcole: 2**16-1 I think |
| 17:35.32 | stew | jcole: 65535 |
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| 17:35.58 | stew | !2**16-1 |
| 17:35.58 | dpkg | 65535 |
| 17:35.58 | FromTO | I have been having a problem printing for about couple of weeks. cups keeps on saying recoverable: Network host 'net_add' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds... However, the printer is not busy. I can connect to it through iceweasel. Any ideas? |
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| 17:36.03 | jcole | stew: damn, weve got about 200,000+ users |
| 17:36.10 | assasukasse | stew dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 17:36.10 | assasukasse | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is |
| 17:36.41 | stew | assasukasse: when you said that this was a package for debian etch, did you mean that this thing has actually been packaged for debian? |
| 17:37.03 | jcole | dkr stew: thanks |
| 17:37.07 | assasukasse | stew: actually i want to build a debian package on my etch machine, from source. |
| 17:37.15 | stew | assasukasse: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
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| 17:37.49 | assasukasse | thanks stew |
| 17:38.24 | alvaro_ | Hi, I have a lot of performance problems with my mysql 5. I installed it on a SuSE (SLES) machine about 1 year ago and now I ported all my data on Debian Etch. Installing it with .deb or just using sources I had a lot of performance problem 1 - 10. Do you know why? |
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| 17:39.37 | stew | alvaro_: is there anything specific or is it just seeming to take a long time to perform queries? |
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| 17:41.20 | alvaro_ | stew: the second one. |
| 17:41.30 | stew | alvaro_: do you have queries that take multiple seconds? |
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| 17:41.34 | Scurz | hi |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | isn't there a table type that the debian packages don't include ? |
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| 17:41.49 | alvaro_ | On suse it takes about 10 secs with also 1000 sites. on debian on a dedicated machine it takes about 100 secs.. |
| 17:42.11 | alvaro_ | abrotman: all innodb |
| 17:42.25 | stew | alvaro_: run "vmstat 1" and run that query, then show us the output of vmstat, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:42.26 | alvaro_ | abrotman: I tried to install it from sources too but nothing changes. |
| 17:42.30 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 17:42.38 | stew | alvaro_: how much memory does the machine have? |
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| 17:43.36 | alvaro_ | 2 Gb but when MySQL starts it taks 1,1 gb. :( |
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| 17:43.56 | stew | alvaro_: look at /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/examples/my-huge.cnf.gz |
| 17:44.12 | stew | alvaro_: it will have some performance optimizations in there for 1-2gb servers |
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| 17:45.38 | Scurz | Does it exist, in the debian system, an example to write an iptables script ? |
| 17:45.41 | alvaro_ | Ok, I can try. |
| 17:45.44 | stew | alvaro_: and myabe the my-innodb-heavy-4G.cnf.gz would be helpful, i haven't looked at that one |
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| 17:46.25 | stew | heh, its funny that has examples for small medium large and huge, and large is 512mb of ram :) |
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| 17:47.23 | alvaro_ | ok :) |
| 17:47.43 | abrotman | Scurz: /usr/share/doc/iptables/ would have it if there is one |
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| 17:48.34 | stew | Scurz: setup iptables the way you want it, "iptables-save > somefile" then in /etc/network/interfaces add "pre-up iptables-restore < somefile" to the first interface |
| 17:48.51 | stew | Scurz: or do you mean how to come up with the rules themselves? |
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| 17:49.21 | Scurz | abrotman: there is no example in this directory |
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| 17:50.19 | Scurz | stew: yes, I would like to write iptables rules |
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| 17:51.15 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 17:51.15 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 17:51.39 | stew | Scurz: there are lots of programs to help you write rules, "aptitude search '~Gsecurity::firewall' " should list a bunch |
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| 17:53.24 | Scurz | ok, thank you very much abrotman and stew ;) |
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| 17:54.17 | alvaro_ | it could be a raid controller problem? I'm using a dell server |
| 17:54.58 | bzed | alvaro_: use bonnie++ to check that |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | alvaro_: does the entire system seem sluggish ? |
| 17:55.34 | alvaro_ | abrotman: well I have 3 identical server and all have the same problems |
| 17:55.45 | bzed | alvaro_: do you have slow queries? |
| 17:55.56 | alvaro_ | yes |
| 17:55.59 | marc7 | so I've figured out that when I comment out 'bindaddr' in the [general] section of my sip.conf, so that I can listen on more than one IP address (all)... I'm getting a ton of "SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized" error messages... adding the line back in solves the problem. any ideas? running 1.4.13 |
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| 17:56.45 | alvaro_ | bzed: what do you mean: the query runs slow or a type of query called slow query? |
| 17:57.33 | bzed | alvaro_: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/slow-query-log.html |
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| 17:59.51 | cblack0 | so, my upgrade sort of hosed my system. It now is not starting everything on boot, no xdm, no ssh, etc. In addition, I can not login on any account, even local ones. Networking did come up. What is the best way to repair this? I am thinking some sort of repair install via cd? |
| 17:59.58 | cblack0 | I have already tried apt-get check and it shows ok |
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| 18:00.13 | cblack0 | I also did apt-get -f install, no packages left to be updated |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | cblack0: upgraded from what to waht ? |
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| 18:01.44 | cblack0 | honestly, it was ubuntu feisty to gutsy. But people in here tend to know dpkg and apt a lot better. |
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| 18:01.53 | cblack0 | and I am not getting any response in #ubuntu |
| 18:02.20 | azeem | cblack0: then try again later or ask their forum; sorry but we don't support ubuntu here |
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| 18:02.42 | cblack0 | yeah, I understand that. I was just hoping someone would have some magic apt/dpkg incantation to try |
| 18:02.51 | SlayerXP | cblack0: it's like oxygen! it's based on oxygen! |
| 18:02.59 | cblack0 | but it smells funny... |
| 18:03.15 | cydork | cblack0: sorry, that was me.. |
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| 18:07.46 | Asmooh | hmm anyone knows something about pure-ftpd; i installed it this week and worked, but i tested it, and i cant connect to it from another IP; but i can connect from localhost? |
| 18:08.25 | cblack0 | Asmooh, have you checked into firewalling issues? |
| 18:08.42 | Asmooh | i didnt change anything about it |
| 18:10.04 | Asmooh | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 18:10.04 | Asmooh | 21/tcp open ftp |
| 18:10.09 | Asmooh | nmap said that |
| 18:10.13 | abrotman | on localhost? |
| 18:10.44 | Asmooh | on my server its running and i can connect to it from my server to my server |
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| 18:10.49 | Asmooh | but not from desktop to server |
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| 18:10.55 | abrotman | Asmooh: netstat -an | grep 21 |
| 18:11.00 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 18:11.06 | abrotman | so the desktop is a different machine? |
| 18:11.10 | Asmooh | yea |
| 18:11.22 | dutchfish | netstat -nlp | grep 221 |
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| 18:12.10 | Asmooh | evolution and multiloadapplet |
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| 18:12.19 | Asmooh | and 221 i get nothing |
| 18:12.25 | dutchfish | rtype 21 |
| 18:12.26 | abrotman | 21 .. nto 221 |
| 18:12.29 | Asmooh | yea |
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| 18:12.38 | Asmooh | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 5134 2081/multiload-appl /tmp/orbit-asmooh/linc-821-0-727e304ed103a |
| 18:12.42 | Asmooh | and stuff ;P |
| 18:12.53 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 18:13.03 | abrotman | Asmooh: check on the server .. not the dektop |
| 18:13.05 | abrotman | desktop |
| 18:13.07 | Asmooh | oh |
| 18:13.08 | Asmooh | sorry |
| 18:13.28 | Asmooh | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 19833/inetd |
| 18:14.02 | dutchfish | 5 x 0 ??? |
| 18:14.07 | Asmooh | yea :/ |
| 18:14.50 | Asmooh | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper |
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| 18:16.18 | abrotman | Asmooh: does either machine have a firewall ? |
| 18:16.26 | Asmooh | nope |
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| 18:16.58 | Asmooh | i think its an pure-ftpd problem |
| 18:17.31 | stew | Asmooh: what happens when you run "telnet your.ftp.server.ip 21" from some other machine? |
| 18:17.41 | Asmooh | i cant connect to it :) |
| 18:17.45 | stew | Asmooh: what happens? |
| 18:17.50 | Asmooh | timeout |
| 18:17.51 | stew | Asmooh: do you get an error? a timeout? |
| 18:18.00 | dutchfish | Asmooh, if you telnet to your ip of server on port 21 i.e. telnet x.x.x.x -p 21 what it says? |
| 18:18.02 | stew | Asmooh: can you ping the same ip address? |
| 18:18.05 | Operattor | this server telnet not abilit |
| 18:18.26 | Operattor | you need scan this ip port |
| 18:18.31 | stew | Operattor: what? |
| 18:18.38 | Asmooh | Connected to 192.168.1.71. |
| 18:18.38 | Asmooh | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 18:18.38 | Asmooh | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 18:18.46 | Operattor | you need scan this ip |
| 18:18.53 | Asmooh | when i scan it |
| 18:18.56 | Asmooh | i get 21/ftp open |
| 18:18.57 | Operattor | so show 21 port open |
| 18:19.08 | Operattor | it work |
| 18:19.14 | Asmooh | and i can ping it |
| 18:19.18 | Asmooh | but cant connect to pureftpd |
| 18:19.31 | Operattor | if show port 21 filtred not connect |
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| 18:19.48 | dutchfish | maybe wildcards not allowed like many other services, wildcard = localhost only |
| 18:20.04 | stew | dutchfish: what wildcard are you talking about? |
| 18:20.10 | Operattor | what ip you connect |
| 18:20.18 | dutchfish | stew, 0.0.0.0:* |
| 18:20.22 | pleed | can someone tell me how i can configure debian to use .xinitrc for x startup? i ve just installed debian etch and apt-get removed gnome-*. |
| 18:20.42 | dutchfish | stew, in ftp config file |
| 18:20.51 | Asmooh | and in the config i cant change anything about the ip |
| 18:20.53 | Helmi0 | !nodm pleed |
| 18:20.54 | stew | dutchfish: which file? what exactly does it say? |
| 18:21.04 | pleed | Helmi0: nodm? |
| 18:21.07 | stew | Asmooh: check /var/log/auth.log and wherever pure-ftpd is loggin |
| 18:21.19 | stew | Asmooh: and check /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 18:21.31 | Helmi0 | pleed, sorry try /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:21.33 | dutchfish | stew, pure-ftpd |
| 18:21.41 | stew | dutchfish: what exactly does it say? |
| 18:22.13 | dutchfish | stew, ask Asmooh i was merely suggesting to bind only to his external ip |
| 18:22.33 | abrotman | dutchfish: he's trying to connect from another machine .. some machines work .. some don't .. apparently |
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| 18:22.56 | Asmooh | dutchfish, i cant setup my real connection yet, because im bust with the install |
| 18:23.37 | dutchfish | Asmooh, can you paste-bin your config file of pure-ftpd? |
| 18:23.49 | Asmooh | dutchfish, there isnt a config.. |
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| 18:24.00 | Asmooh | only the default mysql-config for connecting to db |
| 18:24.07 | pleed | Helmi0: ok i did that. now x behaves that it looks into $HOME/.xinitrc? |
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| 18:24.13 | dutchfish | Asmooh, i see |
| 18:24.19 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 18:24.43 | Asmooh | i see in my auth.log that someone tried to hack/login into my server with some default username/passwords that doesnt exists? |
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| 18:25.10 | Asmooh | Oct 29 11:33:46 dns sshd[13814]: Invalid user guest from 194.102.70.11 |
| 18:25.10 | Asmooh | Oct 29 11:33:46 dns sshd[13814]: pam_unix(ssh:auth): check pass; user unknown |
| 18:25.17 | stew | Asmooh: welcome to the internet |
| 18:25.19 | Asmooh | haha |
| 18:25.41 | dutchfish | /etc/conf.d/pureftpd needs to contain at least SERVER [your.ip.adrr.ess] |
| 18:26.07 | Asmooh | eh? |
| 18:26.09 | Asmooh | conf.d ? |
| 18:26.23 | abrotman | dutchfish: wrong file |
| 18:26.51 | Asmooh | and that is only if you arnt running the mysql-version |
| 18:26.53 | Asmooh | i thought |
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| 18:28.35 | dutchfish | abrotman, my error /etc/pure-ftpd/.... |
| 18:28.40 | abrotman | don't tell me |
| 18:29.13 | dutchfish | Asmooh, http://www.howtoforge.com/pureftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting_p2?s=f1925d0eddd940f8d02c03fb1e981bac& |
| 18:29.21 | Asmooh | let me see |
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| 18:31.10 | Asmooh | already have that dutch |
| 18:31.11 | Asmooh | already have that dutchfish |
| 18:31.18 | dutchfish | Asmooh, ok |
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| 18:31.37 | dutchfish | Asmooh, your db does reflect this too? |
| 18:31.41 | Asmooh | maybe my switch is anoying again |
| 18:31.50 | Asmooh | dutchfish, i can connect and login from localhost |
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| 18:32.22 | dutchfish | Asmooh, do other connections work like ssh? |
| 18:32.32 | Operattor | Ok more any here need Support in your Linux ? |
| 18:32.34 | Asmooh | everything is working perfect |
| 18:32.35 | stew | Asmooh: did you check /var/log/pure-ftpd/ ? |
| 18:32.43 | stew | Asmooh: did you see anything in /var/log/auth.log related to ftp? |
| 18:32.52 | Asmooh | stew, nothing special |
| 18:32.54 | stew | Asmooh: did you check /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 18:33.09 | Asmooh | yes, is empty |
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| 18:33.16 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:33.16 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | argh .. why don't screen commands work everywhere! |
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| 18:33.47 | stew | Asmooh: you might try running it standalone instead of via inetd |
| 18:34.05 | marc7 | I've figured out that when I comment out 'bindaddr' in the [general] section of my sip.conf, so that I can listen on more than one IP address (all)... I'm getting a ton of "SIP/2.0 401 Unauthorized" error messages... adding the line back in solves the problem. any ideas? running 1.4.13... sorry for the repeated message, it's been about 30 minutes. |
| 18:34.11 | Asmooh | t tried both, i run it atm with: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper & |
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| 18:34.22 | Asmooh | and i still can login from localhost |
| 18:34.25 | marc7 | oh sorry |
| 18:34.28 | marc7 | completely wrong channel |
| 18:34.31 | marc7 | *ducks* |
| 18:34.41 | Asmooh | ftp> open |
| 18:34.41 | Asmooh | (to) localhost |
| 18:34.41 | Asmooh | Connected to localhost. |
| 18:34.41 | Asmooh | 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] [TLS] ---------- |
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| 18:34.47 | Asmooh | oops |
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| 18:36.12 | stew | Asmooh: try "echo yes > /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/VerboseLog" |
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| 18:37.38 | Asmooh | stew, can it be the problem i had before, that my MACID in debian was changing every reboot? |
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| 18:37.58 | stew | Asmooh: no |
| 18:38.21 | stew | Asmooh: if it were a problem with your mac address you wouldnt' be able to establish a connection |
| 18:38.22 | Asmooh | hmm |
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| 18:38.57 | Asmooh | yea true, but now i used my IP to :*:*:* for mac, because 00:00:6C was leaving, but everything else was changing |
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| 18:39.13 | dutchfish | Asmooh, client passive mode? |
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| 18:39.22 | Asmooh | hm |
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| 18:39.35 | stew | that doens't matter until he is actually logged in |
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| 18:40.17 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! Can somebody please help me set up a repo? I can't get it to pick up on the "all" architecture. http://idefix.go-nix.ca/nix/dists |
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| 18:42.21 | Asmooh | cant find anythink helpfull in the man |
| 18:42.29 | abrotman | _|Nix|_: wtf is that? you're not using debian? |
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| 18:43.08 | _|Nix|_ | abrotman: I dunno ... I created that tree by hand. |
| 18:43.10 | dondelelcaro | _|Nix|_: uh... you don't separate out the arch all packages from the architecture specific ones like that |
| 18:43.12 | _|Nix|_ | abrotman: It's more Maemo. |
| 18:43.32 | abrotman | !repository |
| 18:43.32 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 18:43.34 | dondelelcaro | _|Nix|_: and since you only have such a few packages, there's no point in separating them out; just stick them all in a single directory and use apt-ftparchive |
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| 18:44.36 | _|Nix|_ | dondelelcaro: Alright, I guess ... so you can't make a binary-all? Only binary-<real,physical_arch> ? |
| 18:46.11 | dondelelcaro | _|Nix|_: you could, but it'd be nonsensical. Every binary-arch needs to include Architecture: all; packages. |
| 18:47.00 | vsayikiran | how does linux resolve host name of computers |
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| 18:47.14 | _|Nix|_ | dondelelcaro: OK ... sure ... |
| 18:47.37 | abrotman | vsayikiran: there are a few ways |
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| 18:48.30 | vsayikiran | abrotman: i mean does linux store name of computers and its corressponding ip address |
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| 18:48.47 | bkudria | has anyone here used pvm with debian? |
| 18:49.01 | dondelelcaro | vsayikiran: linux (the kernel) doesn't store anything like that |
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| 18:49.09 | dondelelcaro | vsayikiran: however, you can easily run caching domain servers if you want |
| 18:49.55 | abrotman | vsayikiran: you can use local files(/etc/hosts), NIS, DNS .. and a few others like NMBD |
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| 18:49.56 | dondelelcaro | so long as your network is reasonable though, you shouldn't be resolving hostnames fast enough to really warrant a caching nameserver (unless you're doing unusual things) |
| 18:50.09 | dondelelcaro | yeah; anything that will work with nss can be used |
| 18:50.13 | vsayikiran | dondelelcaro: but does linux resolve ip address without maintaining a table |
| 18:50.27 | dondelelcaro | vsayikiran: the kernel doesn't resolve ip addresses |
| 18:51.01 | dondelelcaro | vsayikiran: and whether the name services keep a table cache or check names in a table depends on their configuration |
| 18:51.15 | dondelelcaro | vsayikiran: why are you asking? |
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| 18:51.53 | vsayikiran | dondelelcaro: i remember i saw some file in ubuntu used to store ip address and names of computer |
| 18:52.24 | dondelelcaro | vsayikiran: that's /etc/hosts |
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| 18:58.07 | dutchfish | got irda working on ths laptop |
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| 18:58.22 | kwadronaut | free irda ? |
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| 18:59.13 | dutchfish | irda-utils and related |
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| 18:59.30 | Clinton__ | I've googled for this and all I get is how to install sun java packages or create packages using the make utility. I'm looking to create debian packages from java source, are there any debian utilities that will allow me to do this? |
| 18:59.33 | Asmooh | hmmm |
| 18:59.34 | Asmooh | ftp 192.168.1.221:38273 TIME_WAIT |
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| 18:59.38 | Asmooh | thats my connection.. |
| 18:59.59 | DeFirence | yo, how can i check a pppoe connections status?? |
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| 19:00.19 | wols_ | Clinton__: make-jpkg |
| 19:00.21 | stew | Clinton__: there is the make-kpkg tool in java-package for turning the sun .bin files into packages, however debian is now distributing sun java package in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 19:00.27 | wols_ | DeFirence: ifconfig |
| 19:00.31 | stew | Clinton__: err, yeah, make-jpkg, not make-kpkg |
| 19:00.33 | DeFirence | ta |
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| 19:01.29 | wols_ | stew: iirc there is no java6 in etch. would make-jpkg be able to create a .deb of java6? |
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| 19:02.01 | Clinton__ | stew: isn't make-jpkg more for converting rpm packages? |
| 19:02.03 | _Krieger_ | please, tell me the direction. I need to determine which URLs men behind my NAT visit |
| 19:02.34 | stew | wols_: no, but java-package from testing/unstable is installable directly in etch with no backporting |
| 19:02.42 | wols_ | _Krieger_: google for a mandatory transparent proxy howto |
| 19:03.00 | stew | Clinton__: no, its for converting the sun .bin and the ibm jdk to .debs (apt-cache show java-package) |
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| 19:03.39 | _Krieger_ | thanks |
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| 19:04.05 | keith4 | can i hotplug a sata drive? |
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| 19:04.14 | wols_ | keith4: unlikely |
| 19:04.19 | DeathWol1 | How does one enable tls with the pure-ftpd package's daemon?(or where am I supposed to look for that info) |
| 19:04.21 | stew | keith4: depends on the controller |
| 19:04.32 | wols_ | while SATA is hotpluggable, the whole chain must be capable: hdd, controller and drivers |
| 19:04.37 | wols_ | and usually they aren't |
| 19:04.41 | DeathWol1 | (I'd assume there's a debian specific since the way config is made through files sounds unusual) |
| 19:04.53 | stew | is there really such thing as a non-hotpluggable hdd? |
| 19:05.08 | stew | DeathWol1: dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-common |
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| 19:05.51 | wols_ | stew: since the question is usually academic I never really checked |
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| 19:06.13 | keith4 | i'm willing to try it |
| 19:06.13 | wols_ | who cares why the magic smoke gets out in the worst case, controller or hdd? dead hardware is dead hardware |
| 19:06.17 | keith4 | (someone else's HD) |
| 19:06.17 | stew | wols_: i hotplug very old pata ide drives with no problem |
| 19:06.22 | abrotman | stew: possibly older ones .. |
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| 19:06.27 | DeathWol1 | stew: no question about tls/ssl |
| 19:06.29 | abrotman | like with the scsi termination crap |
| 19:06.40 | keith4 | i used to hotplug scsi without a problem |
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| 19:07.08 | wols_ | stew: usually all I get is a crashed system |
| 19:07.14 | john_scrotum | What's the difference between "allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces? And, is one better than the other? And, is one preferred over the other? Thanks. |
| 19:07.14 | wols_ | stew: what pata controllers? |
| 19:07.15 | keith4 | it's ICH7 sata controller |
| 19:07.18 | stew | wols_: 3ware |
| 19:07.27 | wols_ | stew: duh! :P |
| 19:07.49 | wols_ | keith4: that's consumer grade. won't work |
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| 19:08.25 | wols_ | john_scrotum: a network card might be pluggable, e.g. a pcmcia card |
| 19:08.37 | wols_ | allow-hotplug allows for this, auto doesn't |
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| 19:08.51 | stew | DeathWol1: look at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper and see if you can see an option for ssl or tls |
| 19:09.02 | Seb | how do I tell m-a to pull a specific source for experimental ? |
| 19:09.10 | wols_ | sometimes the allow-hotplug doesn't work as intended afaik not bringing up the interface |
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| 19:09.35 | wols_ | stew: pull it and run m-a via commandline |
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| 19:09.44 | stew | wols_: no thanks |
| 19:09.47 | john_scrotum | wols: so if I'm just using PCI NICs in a desktop or server machine, auto eth0 should suffice? |
| 19:10.01 | wols_ | john_scrotum: yes |
| 19:10.04 | stew | john_scrotum: if you want the nic to always be up, auto is the right thing |
| 19:10.10 | john_scrotum | wols: thanks. |
| 19:10.21 | wols_ | Seb: see above |
| 19:10.29 | Seb | wols_: k |
| 19:10.30 | bkudria | has anyone here used pvm with debian? i'm having some trouble adding more hosts... |
| 19:10.54 | wols_ | bkudria: ask real questions if you expect answers |
| 19:11.03 | Seb | wols_: thx a lot |
| 19:11.10 | bkudria | wols_: ok, i'll try :) |
| 19:12.32 | Asmooh | stew do u know anything about the pureftpd problem? |
| 19:12.41 | Asmooh | even firewall stuf is good :/ |
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| 19:13.32 | bkudria | i'm trying to use pvm on my network, but when i run the pvm daemon on one machine, and try to add the second host, pvm terminates. on the second machine, i can see from auth.log that a session was opened, but then closed. i can ssh from the first machine to the second just fine. any idea what might be wrong? |
| 19:13.35 | k^^a | hello |
| 19:13.40 | stew | Asmooh: did you turn on verbose logging? |
| 19:13.46 | Asmooh | yea i did |
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| 19:13.56 | stew | Asmooh: and what shows up in the log? |
| 19:14.03 | Asmooh | nothing |
| 19:14.24 | stew | Asmooh: does something show up in the log when login successfully? |
| 19:14.28 | norbert_ | hi all, ehm, question: I have an apache2 on Debian stable and the server is slowing down really fast, it's because of traffic... any hints on what remote tool I could use to see what's going on? (please no iptables) |
| 19:14.33 | Asmooh | yea it does |
| 19:14.36 | Asmooh | when i login from localhost |
| 19:14.46 | Asmooh | but i cant login from another host then localhost |
| 19:14.50 | stew | Asmooh: and this is when running it outside of inetd? |
| 19:14.50 | k^^a | If somebody used ThinClient Compaq EVO T20 ? |
| 19:14.58 | Asmooh | same problem |
| 19:15.13 | bkudria | wols_: better? |
| 19:15.19 | stew | Asmooh: how is it authenticating? |
| 19:15.26 | stew | Asmooh: via pam? mysql? something else? |
| 19:15.27 | dutchfish | norbert_, apachetop |
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| 19:15.53 | Asmooh | mysql stew , and thats working, the problem is i cant connect to it anyway.. not only from my desktop but also from another server |
| 19:16.01 | Clinton__ | Please let me repeat my question, this has nothing to do with sun packages, this has to do with in house application. Repeat: I've googled for this and all I get is how to install sun java packages or create packages using the make utility. I'm looking to create debian packages from java source, are there any debian utilities that will allow me to do this? |
| 19:16.15 | norbert_ | dutchfish: bedankt |
| 19:16.21 | Asmooh | it only accepts requests from localhost |
| 19:16.22 | stew | Asmooh: turn on mysql query logging and see what queries get executed when you try to login from a reomte host |
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| 19:16.38 | azeem | Clinton__: creating Debian packages for something like Java is very complicated |
| 19:16.39 | Asmooh | stew, i dont even get the "welcome to pure-ftpd" message |
| 19:16.41 | Asmooh | just an timeout |
| 19:16.53 | stew | Clinton__: what was wrong with the answers i gave you? |
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| 19:17.02 | dutchfish | norbert_, watch out for too many persistant connections that idle ... that are the real hoggers |
| 19:17.06 | stew | Asmooh: oh, you weren't getting a timeout before |
| 19:17.11 | Clinton__ | stew: those were sun specific answers for rolling sun binaries |
| 19:17.13 | stew | Asmooh: what is the exact error message you get then? |
| 19:17.23 | Clinton__ | azeem: are there any resources I could look into? |
| 19:17.32 | azeem | Clinton__: no |
| 19:17.38 | azeem | Clinton__: well, the new maintainer guide |
| 19:17.38 | Asmooh | Connected to 192.168.1.71. |
| 19:17.38 | Asmooh | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 19:17.43 | azeem | but this won't help with a beast like Java |
| 19:17.44 | norbert_ | dutchfish: ok, thx |
| 19:17.52 | stew | Clinton__: and instead of using the binaries you want to use the sun sources and compile it? |
| 19:18.09 | Clinton__ | stew: no... in house applications, not sun, no sun, in house applications only |
| 19:18.36 | Ranpha1 | dutchfish he i got that tripwire working, i was running a scan that takes about 3 days..only i forgot to run it in a screen command...and closed the terminal....can you resume the init of the databse? |
| 19:18.46 | stew | Clinton__: /msg dpkg maint-guide ; you will also want to read the debian java packaging policy |
| 19:19.05 | stew | Clinton__: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/ |
| 19:19.09 | dutchfish | Ranpha1, i gues not, but you can restart it |
| 19:19.11 | azeem | wait |
| 19:19.17 | norbert_ | dutchfish: it shows that there are barely any requests... I think the traffic is not because of people connecting to port 80... |
| 19:19.19 | azeem | does Clinton__ want to package Java apps, or Java itself? |
| 19:19.26 | Clinton__ | I want to package Java apps |
| 19:19.31 | azeem | oh |
| 19:19.35 | azeem | that's different then |
| 19:19.35 | Clinton__ | in house, our company only, applications |
| 19:19.37 | stew | Clinton__: yes, then read the maint-guide and the java policy |
| 19:19.58 | dutchfish | norbert_, as i said have a look for persitsant connections they eat up process space alot |
| 19:19.59 | norbert_ | does anyone know a good tcp package watcher I can use with Debian stable? |
| 19:20.07 | stew | Asmooh: that isnt' a timeout. i recommend seeing what queries get run in mysql |
| 19:20.12 | Asmooh | hm |
| 19:20.13 | dutchfish | norbert_, you can use apachetop for that |
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| 19:20.33 | norbert_ | dutchfish: hum... ok, but that's showing 0 requests both for "All" and "R" |
| 19:20.33 | Ranpha1 | dutchfish yeah ...but hoped i could recover that 1 day work....stupid me .... |
| 19:20.40 | Asmooh | stew, i cant cat the log files from /var/log/mysql |
| 19:20.48 | stew | norbert_: what exactly are you wanting to see? if you want an list of connections and see how many bytes and such use iptraf, if you want to see the packets themselves, try wireshark |
| 19:20.54 | stew | Asmooh: why can't you? |
| 19:21.03 | Asmooh | strange numbers and stuff |
| 19:21.06 | dutchfish | Ranpha1, i dont know if thats possible ... sorry |
| 19:21.08 | shogunx | norbert_ try tcpdump or ngrep. |
| 19:21.08 | wAndyw78 | norbert_: wireshark? |
| 19:21.11 | stew | Asmooh: i don't understand |
| 19:21.16 | norbert_ | stew: well, the machine is as good as dead... I can barely use ssh |
| 19:21.22 | Clinton__ | stew: this policy doesn't cover *creating* debian packages for in house applications from java source |
| 19:21.31 | stew | Clinton__: yes, for that read the maint-guide |
| 19:21.37 | norbert_ | stew: and top shows that there's as good as no load and almost no memory usage |
| 19:21.40 | Asmooh | stew, ␊⎽_⎽␊┼├,⎼␊─┤␊⎽├_⎻⎼⎺├⎺␌⎺┌,⎼␊└⎺├␊_⎺⎽├,⎼␊─┤␊⎽├_└␊├⎺␍,⎼␊°␊⎼␊⎼,├␋└␊_⎽├▒└⎻,⎽├▒├┤⎽,⎼ |
| 19:21.43 | Asmooh | i get back :/ |
| 19:21.46 | Ranpha1 | dutchfish no srry...was my own stupid fault....lol |
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| 19:22.14 | stew | norbert_: iptraf or ntop |
| 19:22.18 | stew | Asmooh: what file contains that |
| 19:22.19 | danielss89 | if i have 2 disks on 250 gb each, can i make linux see it as just one big harddrive? becouse right now i have only mounted one of them, and install debian and my mailsystem on that, but what if that drive is filled up, can i then mount the other so it extends the first drive in some way? or do i have to create a new mailsystem on that one too? |
| 19:22.34 | dutchfish | stew, on a webserver? are you sure? |
| 19:22.34 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.41 | norbert_ | thanks all for the information, off to read the docs, thx |
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| 19:23.22 | stew | Asmooh: just look at /var/log/mysql/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql.log (whichever is configured in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 19:23.23 | Clinton__ | stew: maint-policy where? a little help please |
| 19:23.32 | Asmooh | stew, those are empty |
| 19:23.32 | stew | dutchfish: sure about what? |
| 19:23.33 | cblack0 | danielss89, yes, you can do that. there are a few ways to do so. software raid/md or unionfs |
| 19:23.44 | stew | Asmooh: configure my.cnf to log then |
| 19:23.45 | dutchfish | stew, using ntop on a busy webserver? |
| 19:23.52 | stew | dpkg: tell Clinton__ about maint-guide |
| 19:24.04 | cblack0 | danielss89, since you have already installed and formatted, you probably do not want to rework to use sw raid (altho it might be better) so perhaps you should look into unionfs |
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| 19:24.17 | stew | dutchfish: what do you recommend? |
| 19:24.19 | Asmooh | log_bin = /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.log |
| 19:24.26 | Asmooh | and those are file files i pasted |
| 19:24.29 | dutchfish | stew, apachetop and logfiles |
| 19:24.33 | Asmooh | with the strange things init |
| 19:24.41 | stew | dutchfish: so the traffic is all apache related? |
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| 19:25.04 | dutchfish | stew, if i understand norbert_ well, yes |
| 19:25.05 | stew | Asmooh: log = /var/log/mysql/mysq.log |
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| 19:25.28 | Asmooh | wheres the log-bin for? |
| 19:25.37 | shogunx | so why not apachectl stop? |
| 19:25.48 | stew | he said apachetop shows 0 connections |
| 19:25.51 | cblack0 | danielss89, another (perhaps better) option is to use one of the tools available to shrink your existing partitions on your 1st disk, create a new partition for "big data" or whatever, and then use the software raid tools to combine that with the entire second disk |
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| 19:26.38 | dutchfish | stew, mm... yes thats right |
| 19:26.44 | stew | i don't see anything that norbert_ said indicating that he has a lot of apache traffic, in fact he seems to have said the opposite |
| 19:27.23 | dutchfish | stew, i would start then with iftop, see what is going in out generally, and what connections ar emade |
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| 19:27.44 | stew | dutchfish: and i would start with iptraf, which is why i recommended it twice |
| 19:28.12 | bkudria | i'm trying to use pvm on my network, but when i run the pvm daemon on one machine, and try to add the second host, pvm terminates. on the second machine, i can see from auth.log that a session was opened, but then closed. i can ssh from the first machine to the second just fine. any idea what might be wrong? |
| 19:28.15 | dutchfish | stew, fair enough same purpose |
| 19:28.17 | Asmooh | stew, i dont get any mysql query when im connecting from my own pc |
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| 19:29.15 | Asmooh | it it just not responding from anything else then localhost |
| 19:29.16 | stew | Asmooh: the one that works? |
| 19:29.26 | stew | Asmooh: it is responding |
| 19:29.32 | stew | Asmooh: as you've shown multiple times |
| 19:29.34 | sciboy | Dang it, they still haven't updated the xserver-xorg-input-wacom package to be compatible with the latest version. |
| 19:29.35 | Asmooh | only from localhost stew |
| 19:29.48 | stew | Asmooh: you shoed it giving a 421 multiple times |
| 19:29.51 | stew | Asmooh: right? |
| 19:30.00 | stew | Asmooh: the 421 was not coming from localhost, right? |
| 19:30.05 | Asmooh | stew, yea |
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| 19:30.12 | Asmooh | from my own pc |
| 19:30.13 | stew | Asmooh: and 421 is a response |
| 19:30.16 | Asmooh | hm |
| 19:30.29 | JonkoPaa | are SATA 7200 RPM discs okay for webhosting hard drives? |
| 19:30.31 | Asmooh | but why i get a 421 from my desktop; and a login message from localhost? |
| 19:30.38 | sciboy | I'm having trouble with gnome, something about setuid and gtk, also alsa not having a "default" card. |
| 19:30.45 | Asmooh | ik zou 10k nemen JonkoPaa |
| 19:31.03 | stew | Asmooh: my guess is that it is using two different auth methods |
| 19:31.07 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 19:31.14 | stew | Asmooh: you thought that it was using mysql for localhost, but it seemingly isn't, irght? |
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| 19:31.37 | JonkoPaa | Asmooh, ik heb een server gezien CPU 630/800FSB/2mb/s775/EM64T 3.0 GHZ 1 GB werk gehuegen 80 GB HD SATA 7200 RPM RAID 1 1 (2HDD) RAID 5 ( 3 of meer HDD) |
| 19:31.49 | JonkoPaa | k vroeg me af of die SATA wel goed zou zijn... |
| 19:31.56 | stew | JonkoPaa: english only in here, please |
| 19:32.04 | stew | !nl |
| 19:32.04 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 19:32.08 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, in preciepe wel ;) |
| 19:32.13 | Asmooh | sorry stew :P |
| 19:32.30 | JonkoPaa | stew, okay, I found a server with the specs above and I was wondering if the hd would be suited for webhosting purooses |
| 19:32.43 | sciboy | I would appreciate any help since I don't have any ideas or a graphical browser to make this easier. |
| 19:32.48 | stew | JonkoPaa: how much traffic will it be serving? |
| 19:33.04 | Asmooh | stew, i tried to connect from localhost; to the ftp server, check the mysql.log and yes, its using mysql for login |
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| 19:33.14 | abrotman | sciboy: w3m |
| 19:33.27 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, howmuch do u gonna pay for it? |
| 19:33.28 | abrotman | sciboy: X errors are helpful |
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| 19:33.44 | JonkoPaa | Asmooh, 250 euro |
| 19:33.48 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.04 | drizzd | does anyone know a mixer with alsa support which can withdraw to the slit? |
| 19:34.24 | JonkoPaa | Asmooh, no that';s fo the server i want to buy |
| 19:34.30 | Asmooh | ooh |
| 19:34.34 | Asmooh | not dedicated |
| 19:34.35 | stew | drizzd: what does "withdraw to the slit" mean? |
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| 19:34.57 | JonkoPaa | stew, what's the avvarage traffic? |
| 19:34.59 | enderxim | Can anyone tell me what happened to the feh package in the lenny repos? |
| 19:35.17 | stew | JonkoPaa: yes |
| 19:35.24 | drizzd | stew: well i'm talking about the thing you get with applets like wmacpi, wmnd, wmbiff etc., it's a special kind of window mode in blackbox/fluxbox. |
| 19:35.34 | abrotman | !why is feh not in testing |
| 19:35.34 | dpkg | feh is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=feh |
| 19:35.34 | drizzd | and also in windowmaker I suppose |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | enderxim: ^^ |
| 19:35.48 | stew | enderxim: http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/feh/news/20071027T223914Z.html |
| 19:35.51 | enderxim | thanks guys |
| 19:35.53 | Asmooh | stew, but still wonder why i can connect from localhost to the ftp serv, and useing mysql for login (checked the log) and when i do the same from my own pc, i get an errorr |
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| 19:36.16 | sciboy | abrotman: Is there a way to copy'n'paste error in the commandline?? |
| 19:36.24 | stew | enderxim: it was removed becuase of this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=438982 |
| 19:36.25 | _|Nix|_ | Is there some formal place where I put .changes files in a repo? |
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| 19:37.00 | stew | Asmooh: do any queries get logged to mysql when you try to login from your own pc? |
| 19:37.04 | drizzd | stew: 'dock' might be another word for the same thing |
| 19:37.19 | abrotman | sciboy: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 19:37.26 | moope1 | how do I do a burn in test of my hardware? is there a handy little app that does it all for me? |
| 19:37.29 | Asmooh | stew, when i login from my own PC it is just doing nothing, because i cant even get the field to login with my username and stuff |
| 19:37.29 | wAndyw78 | Is it possible to prevent a module to be load (ndiswrapper) with a grub option? (I can't blacklist it, becuase the system freezes on startup) |
| 19:37.48 | wAndyw78 | moope: "openssl speed" |
| 19:37.58 | Helmi0 | gnomes sound/mixer applet is too basic? drizzd |
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| 19:38.25 | wAndyw78 | moope1: Sorry, only produce CPU load or also HD? |
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| 19:38.35 | drizzd | Helmi0: what's the command name? |
| 19:38.36 | stew | Asmooh: can you check that the server is being run with the -d option? |
| 19:38.59 | Asmooh | root 20043 0.0 0.1 32684 2120 ? S 19:53 0:00 pure-ftpd (SERVER) |
| 19:39.02 | Asmooh | it is running ;) |
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| 19:39.21 | Asmooh | ill try the -d option |
| 19:39.36 | moope1 | wAndyw78: cpu stuff is good |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | moope1: apt-cache search stress test |
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| 19:40.08 | freetos | my 64studio doesn't automatically mount my usb flash drive, how can i find out what /dev/?? it is so i can mount it? |
| 19:40.12 | wAndyw78 | moope1: then try "openssl speed" |
| 19:40.13 | Asmooh | same problem stew |
| 19:40.15 | Asmooh | doesnt matter |
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| 19:40.47 | wAndyw78 | freetos: What is 62studio? Plug the device, look at dmesg |
| 19:40.58 | wAndyw78 | äh, 64studio... |
| 19:41.04 | zobf | 64studio is a media distro. |
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| 19:41.16 | stew | Asmooh: can you show me the output of "/etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart" ? |
| 19:41.21 | zobf | Anyway, I just needed a lot of talking so I could test my client's scrolling functions. |
| 19:41.41 | sciboy | abrotman: How do I grab the url of the current page in w3m? |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | freetos: this channel is for debian support |
| 19:41.48 | Asmooh | stew, i only have pure-ftpd-mysql and that doesnt show any output |
| 19:41.53 | abrotman | sciboy: uhm .. pencil? :) |
| 19:42.11 | sciboy | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:42.19 | sciboy | Check out the entry with my name on it. |
| 19:42.25 | sciboy | It's the .xsession-errors. |
| 19:42.26 | stew | Asmooh: it doesn't show any output? |
| 19:42.33 | Asmooh | nope |
| 19:42.34 | abrotman | sciboy: how are you trying to start X ? |
| 19:42.35 | Asmooh | just nothing |
| 19:42.35 | stew | Asmooh: how are you starting pure-ftpd then? |
| 19:42.45 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.46 | sciboy | abrotman: Using startx and gdm |
| 19:42.49 | freetos | abrotman: 64studio is based on etch |
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| 19:43.01 | abrotman | freetos: i know what it is .. it's not debian |
| 19:43.01 | sciboy | abrotman: It works as root. |
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| 19:43.30 | wAndyw78 | freetos: anyway, did you follow my hint? |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | sciboy: refusing to initialize gtk is bad |
| 19:43.54 | freetos | wAndyw78: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3, how would i mount this? |
| 19:43.56 | sciboy | abrotman: I would guess so, especially for gnome. |
| 19:44.08 | danielss89 | cblack0 is it difficult? im not very good at debian :P |
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| 19:44.16 | stew | Asmooh: can you please kill that server and show me the output of "/etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql restart" |
| 19:44.17 | danielss89 | i know only the very basic |
| 19:44.23 | wAndyw78 | freetos: this is no USB Flash disk... |
| 19:44.31 | sciboy | abrotman: Oh and just take a quick note of the wacom error, the latest package has been incompatible with xorg for a while now. |
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| 19:44.41 | Asmooh | stew, |
| 19:44.42 | stew | freetos: please find a 64studio irc channel for help with 64studio |
| 19:44.44 | Asmooh | dns:/etc/pure-ftpd/db# /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql restart |
| 19:44.44 | Asmooh | dns:/etc/pure-ftpd/db# |
| 19:44.48 | abrotman | sciboy: i don't know anything about wacom other than they exist and artists use them :) |
| 19:45.04 | sciboy | abrotman: Well in either case, the module has been outdated for a couple of months now. |
| 19:45.07 | stew | Asmooh: becuase you don't have it configured to run standalone |
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| 19:45.20 | stew | Asmooh: "dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-common" |
| 19:45.26 | freetos | stew: nobody's hardely in there and it takes forever to get a response |
| 19:45.32 | stew | freetos: try a mailing list then |
| 19:45.35 | Asmooh | Restarting ftp server: start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 20406: No such process |
| 19:45.36 | Asmooh | Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-mysql -l mysql:/etc/pure-ftpd/db/mysql.conf -A -E -d -j -u 1000 -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -B |
| 19:45.50 | sciboy | abrotman: I've had to use the xserver from testing but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. |
| 19:46.06 | sciboy | abrotman: *in previous installs |
| 19:46.15 | stew | Asmooh: and can you try connecting now and see if it behaves any differently? |
| 19:46.20 | abrotman | sciboy: are you telling me that you're running unstable? |
| 19:46.26 | Asmooh | stew, |
| 19:46.28 | Asmooh | Connected to 192.168.1.71. |
| 19:46.28 | Asmooh | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 19:46.31 | stew | Asmooh: check both the mysql logs and the pure-ftpd logs |
| 19:46.33 | abrotman | sciboy: what if you just try gdm? or just startx ? |
| 19:46.42 | sciboy | abrotman: Have been for the past 6 years. |
| 19:46.54 | wAndyw78 | Hey boys, is this so difficult? What do you do if a module freezes your system on startup? Do you use a rescue disk or a live cd to boot and blacklist he module? |
| 19:47.13 | sciboy | abrotman: gdm loads but upon trying to load the gnome session it doesn't move forward. |
| 19:47.18 | wAndyw78 | or is there a grub option for that? |
| 19:47.29 | sciboy | abrotman: It gets stuck at startx aswell, without entering gnome though |
| 19:47.36 | stew | wAndyw78: is the module getting loaded from your initrd? or after or during the startup process? |
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| 19:48.04 | wAndyw78 | stew: after the startup, it's ndiswrapper |
| 19:48.12 | abrotman | sciboy: find anything in the BTS ? IIRC sid is in the middle of a gnome transition |
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| 19:48.17 | stew | wAndyw78: did you try booting into single user mode? |
| 19:48.28 | wAndyw78 | stew: yes, but ndiswrapper gets loaded |
| 19:48.56 | sciboy | abrotman: Just as a note, this is a fresh bootstrap I've installed to, the gnome session stopped loading around the same time I set up audio. |
| 19:49.02 | stew | wAndyw78: its probably in /etc/modules then, you'll have to use a livecd or something |
| 19:49.09 | wAndyw78 | stew: The only way to boot is removing the PCI Card (WLAN), but this is very "ugly" |
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| 19:49.24 | stew | wAndyw78: or do you have another bootable kernel that doens't have a ndiswrapper module compiled (and therefore not loadable)? |
| 19:49.35 | Clinton__ | stew & azreem I *finally* came across something useful, even if it involves the use of Maven. Please see the second section of http://mojo.codehaus.org/deb-maven-plugin/using-deb.html |
| 19:49.50 | wAndyw78 | stew: No ;-) |
| 19:49.55 | stew | Clinton__: note that maven isn't in debian stable |
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| 19:50.14 | null | Question: I did font.conf and my fonts are still not as anti-aliased as before my 4.0 etch reinstall. Can someone help? |
| 19:50.15 | Clinton__ | stew: note that I don't need it there :) |
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| 19:50.28 | Azx | what could cause a system to give permission denied to everycommand executed but a regular user but root |
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| 19:50.55 | null | Azx: user doesn't have permission to execute any commands, or only a few commands they're not executing |
| 19:50.56 | wAndyw78 | stew: I already bootet a live cd and blacklisted it, or removed the card and rmmod nidswrapper, but this is annoying for testing |
| 19:51.12 | sciboy | abrotman: asoundconf turns up an empty list when querying available cards. |
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| 19:51.57 | Azx | null, how do you set a user no permission to execute anything? |
| 19:52.15 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can someone recommend a good dhcp log analyazer ? |
| 19:52.30 | null | Azx: sudo? |
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| 19:52.38 | karmatronic | hi |
| 19:52.38 | stew | Azx: do you get a permission denied error when you run, for instance, "/bin/ls" ? |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | sciboy: does lspci ? |
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| 19:53.05 | fredl | dhcp log analyser? Hmm. What's it for thelostbutler ? |
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| 19:53.22 | fredl | thelostbutler, I usually write little thingies like that myself. |
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| 19:53.24 | Azx | # su testtest /bin/ls |
| 19:53.24 | Azx | /bin/ls: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file |
| 19:53.41 | Azx | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 93560 Apr 17 2007 /bin/ls |
| 19:54.15 | abrotman | Azx: which version of debian is that? |
| 19:54.25 | sciboy | abrotman: Yep and strangely enough I can play audio through alsa fine and alsamixer has no trouble with the card either. |
| 19:54.26 | stew | Azx: try "su testtest -c /bin/ls" instead |
| 19:54.30 | fredl | su != sudo |
| 19:54.40 | abrotman | sciboy: okay then ... |
| 19:54.41 | dondelelcaro | Azx: and what are the permissions of /lib/ld-2.6.1.so (or whatever ld-linux.so.2 points at?) what is the filesystem that /bin is on mounted on? |
| 19:55.09 | guillaume1 | hello I wanna install an xp pro on an external usb hdd of 500GB from my lenny laptop (I can't put out the hdd) can I launch the bootable cd of xp without damaging my lenny install ? |
| 19:55.41 | karmatronic | guillaume1: no |
| 19:55.49 | fredl | guillaume1, yes, but you might accidentally damage the bootsector, so keep a boot CD handy. |
| 19:55.56 | guillaume1 | karmatronic: :( |
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| 19:56.33 | sciboy | abrotman: Oh well, I'll start restarting and doing the trial and error business, how recent is stable these days? |
| 19:56.51 | abrotman | sciboy: dunno .. but maybe oyu should hit the BTS first |
| 19:56.53 | karmatronic | guillaume1: why do you need this xp pro anyway :) ? |
| 19:56.56 | abrotman | sciboy: or try a different WM |
| 19:57.09 | guillaume1 | karmatronic: for games... |
| 19:57.17 | sciboy | abrotman: My best bet is a permissions error, considering root has no trouble. |
| 19:57.18 | darkskiez | i've ballsed up something on my debian system, and have to mount /dev/pts manually after boot (i run mountdevsubfs.sh), how is this supposed to get mounted on a debian system? |
| 19:57.23 | thelostbutler | fredl: i need to track if there was an increased number of requests during certains of the day etc, which systems made how many requests yada yada yada |
| 19:57.32 | Gixug | guillaume1: You can't install Windows on an external drive...it won't let you. |
| 19:57.50 | guillaume1 | Gixug: I read that some people do |
| 19:57.53 | fredl | thelostbutler, hmm, but that's so easy to do with a tiny little Perl script isn't it? |
| 19:57.56 | fas3r | it's possible to send attached file with mail command ? |
| 19:58.21 | petemc | fas3r: use mutt |
| 19:58.25 | darkskiez | fas3r: i use mpack for that |
| 19:58.28 | karmatronic | fas3r: no , but you can with mutt if you dig command line mails |
| 19:58.34 | fredl | thelostbutler, or if you wanna get fancy, let a Perl script store the info in a database so you can more easily query it... |
| 19:59.06 | karmatronic | brw , what do people use instead of thunderbird ? |
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| 19:59.15 | fas3r | i need to present this tomorrow what's the more easy ? |
| 19:59.16 | fredl | evolution? |
| 19:59.18 | Clinton__ | karmatronic: Outlook Express |
| 19:59.26 | darkskiez | fas3r: mpack is easy |
| 19:59.34 | karmatronic | Clinton__: oh , there s a linux version :) |
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| 19:59.46 | Clinton__ | karmatronic: if there is, god help us all |
| 19:59.48 | darkskiez | fas3r: usage: mpack [-s subj] [-d file] [-m maxsize] [-c content-type] file address... |
| 19:59.50 | thelostbutler | fredl: ok, thank you :) i figured i could be lazy and use a script that was already out there will write one |
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| 20:00.25 | fredl | thelostbutler, sorry dude, but when I need to write scripts like that they're typically of the disposable kind :) |
| 20:00.29 | fas3r | ok thank darkskiez |
| 20:00.33 | karmatronic | thelostbutler: yada yada like seinfeld ? |
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| 20:01.32 | darkskiez | surely someone grok's how /dev/pts is supposed to be mounted |
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| 20:01.37 | fredl | really, you can't install windows on an external drive?!?! well that's just lame. |
| 20:01.47 | glen_quagmire | how can I set umask for directory? samba users and afp users mess up the permission and stuff |
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| 20:02.06 | darkskiez | glen_quagmire: samba has umask settings |
| 20:02.09 | Nigromante | see samba conf file |
| 20:02.21 | dkr | glen_quagmire: man smb.conf force create 220 or the like |
| 20:02.30 | stew | glen_quagmire: you can't set umask for a particular directory. you can set the group ownership to be sticky though |
| 20:02.30 | Nigromante | in the share |
| 20:02.31 | guillaume1 | Gixug: There's a live cd of windows called bouldows so it seem that it's possible |
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| 20:02.58 | glen_quagmire | darkskiez: yup. but can't find how to do it on netatalk |
| 20:03.19 | JonkoPaa | Asmooh, http://www.nowthatsit.nl/itemDetails.asp?itemtype_id=7622&categorie_id=272 vs http://pastebin.com/m2008c7f4 . Which one would you pick? |
| 20:03.22 | thelostbutler | karmatronic: i don't watch seinfeld, so dunno what you are reffering to |
| 20:03.38 | darkskiez | glen_quagmire: -m umask on aftpd cmd line |
| 20:03.58 | darkskiez | glen_quagmire: first hit on google for netatalk umask |
| 20:04.02 | glen_quagmire | yup i found that so far from man page |
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| 20:04.12 | sciboy | There we go! |
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| 20:04.17 | Asmooh | let me see JonkoPaa |
| 20:04.26 | sciboy | The apps are running at a crawl though and audio is broken again. |
| 20:04.39 | sciboy | The crawl probably being them spitting out errors like mad. |
| 20:04.56 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, not even one of them |
| 20:04.57 | Asmooh | its a P3 |
| 20:05.25 | abrotman | depends on the traffic |
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| 20:05.33 | JonkoPaa | Asmooh, but if you had to choose? |
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| 20:06.07 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, i wont; to expensiv for what i get :) i deliver better servers for the same price, but dedicated |
| 20:06.31 | JonkoPaa | Asmooh, really? let me query you |
| 20:06.36 | Asmooh | ok |
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| 20:08.00 | kwadronaut | JonkoPaa: don't take any of the two you mentioned. |
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| 20:08.22 | syamajala | hi |
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| 20:08.26 | null | hi |
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| 20:08.45 | JonkoPaa | kwadronaut, why? got to start somewhere. |
| 20:08.47 | syamajala | i'm wondering if its possible to do a minimal pure debian installation from dsl |
| 20:09.02 | stew | syamajala: by dsl you mean damnsmalllinux? |
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| 20:09.06 | syamajala | yeah |
| 20:09.10 | stew | syamajala: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 20:09.14 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, my first server was an P4 3Ghz, and the second an sempron 3200+ :) |
| 20:09.33 | JonkoPaa | wow i'm not that rich :P |
| 20:09.42 | syamajala | ah |
| 20:09.43 | syamajala | thanks |
| 20:09.56 | kwadronaut | JonkoPaa: of course, i don't know what your intentions are with the machine(s) but in general, they're both not worth that much |
| 20:10.06 | kwadronaut | money wise that is. |
| 20:10.12 | SamuraiDio | what would be a good filesystem type to do data storage? reiserFS, ext2, ext3 or vfat? |
| 20:10.22 | DawnLight_ | is there a program that can input raw bytes and output an ascii representation of them? |
| 20:10.22 | stew | SamuraiDio: when in doubt, use ext33 |
| 20:10.27 | stew | err, ext3 |
| 20:10.30 | JonkoPaa | kwadronaut, I want to start a small buisniss |
| 20:10.34 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: depends on what is being stored, but usually ext3 works fine |
| 20:10.45 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, where are u looking for , server/price/traffic? |
| 20:10.52 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, usually media files |
| 20:10.54 | fredl | pick two :P |
| 20:11.04 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i meant the file sizes .. but whatever :) |
| 20:11.15 | JonkoPaa | server: doesn't matter much, it's kwality and price that I'm more interested in. |
| 20:11.16 | kwadronaut | JonkoPaa: mind if i query you, so messages don't get lost in this channel? |
| 20:11.18 | stew | fredl: i can pick price and traffic? |
| 20:11.24 | JonkoPaa | kwadronaut, sure |
| 20:11.28 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, probally never larger than 1GB |
| 20:11.33 | SamuraiDio | nothing* |
| 20:11.34 | abrotman | ext3 should be fine |
| 20:11.36 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, and traffic? |
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| 20:11.54 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, can i change the beginning of a ext3 partition? |
| 20:11.56 | Ecnerifed | http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.jpg <--- can anyone help me fix? |
| 20:11.59 | SamuraiDio | an* |
| 20:12.00 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: the beginning ? |
| 20:12.08 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, move it |
| 20:12.20 | abrotman | Ecnerifed: didn't you have the same issue the other day ? |
| 20:12.21 | SamuraiDio | reiser cannot be moved, just resized |
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| 20:12.35 | stew | Ecnerifed: what does "ls -ld /tmp" say? |
| 20:12.37 | JonkoPaa | Asmooh, traffica can't say, but arround the 40 to sixty hits per day on a webbpage ... |
| 20:12.37 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: eh ? |
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| 20:12.52 | Ecnerifed | abrotman: yes, but then uninstalling nxserver fixed it, but now... nxserver isnt installed :S |
| 20:13.01 | Asmooh | JonkoPaa, when u dont need your own server |
| 20:13.02 | Asmooh | :) |
| 20:13.05 | abrotman | Ecnerifed: so undo whatever else you did |
| 20:13.21 | Ecnerifed | i didnt do anything? |
| 20:13.22 | Ecnerifed | :S |
| 20:13.39 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, my doubt is if i can move the ext3 patition after creation,. ext2 can be moved, reiserFS cannot |
| 20:13.47 | fas3r | when we create cron after reboot it will not erase ? |
| 20:13.51 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i don't get what you mean by 'move' |
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| 20:14.23 | wols_ | fas3r: english please? |
| 20:14.30 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 20:14.31 | Ecnerifed | ls -ld /tmp = drwxrwxrwt |
| 20:14.40 | stew | Ecnerifed: is /tmp its own partition? |
| 20:14.50 | Ecnerifed | stew: nope |
| 20:14.57 | stew | Ecnerifed: is it on a partition that is out of space? |
| 20:14.57 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, change then place where the partition is on the hard disc |
| 20:15.06 | Ecnerifed | no |
| 20:15.07 | bkudria | how do i set a environment variable for a non-interactive ssh session |
| 20:15.11 | bkudria | ? |
| 20:15.11 | Ecnerifed | theres plenty space |
| 20:15.19 | stew | Ecnerifed: does "touch /tmp/foo" give you an error? |
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| 20:15.38 | Ecnerifed | nope |
| 20:15.40 | Ecnerifed | works fine |
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| 20:16.54 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i have no idea if you can do that with ext3 .. maybe look at LVM ? |
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| 20:18.05 | eth01 | how would i enable zend optimizer with php5 on debian?any ideas...? |
| 20:18.12 | abrotman | eth01: ask them .. it's not in debian |
| 20:18.17 | wols_ | ask zend |
| 20:18.25 | eth01 | or ioncube, either, will do. |
| 20:18.41 | wols_ | !xsession |
| 20:18.42 | dpkg | hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 20:18.44 | stew | Ecnerifed: does "echo * >> /tmp/foo || echo no" say "no"? or nothing? |
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| 20:20.30 | Ecnerifed | stew: it says nothing |
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| 20:21.26 | stew | i don't see why Xsession is failing then |
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| 20:21.56 | Asmooh | why doe i need to add an ".dot" in an SOA record? |
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| 20:22.09 | syamajala | woot woot |
| 20:22.10 | abrotman | stew: we went over this with him last week .. and even involved gravity for about two seconds |
| 20:22.15 | syamajala | its installing sarge |
| 20:22.43 | stew | Asmooh: you don't? |
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| 20:22.59 | Asmooh | stew, thats what i thought :P but it only works with a dot |
| 20:23.00 | Asmooh | :p |
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| 20:23.06 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Does an overview on NAS boxes as Debian platforms exist? URL? |
| 20:23.18 | DeFirence | stew, should i just /wrists or something? :/ |
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| 20:23.33 | stew | DeFirence: what? |
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| 20:23.38 | DeFirence | lol |
| 20:23.41 | DeFirence | im jk |
| 20:23.53 | wols_ | stew: he wants permission to go emo on you and slit his wrists |
| 20:24.32 | xingu | wols_: it'd be art if it were his nut sack |
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| 20:24.44 | wols_ | but that would *hurt* |
| 20:24.47 | wAndyw78 | not really debian specific ;-): After installation of GSL i have to run "ldconfig /usr/local/lib" manually. Andy I have to run ldconfig after every reboot. /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc includes /usr/local/lib so what is the problem? |
| 20:25.10 | stew | DeFirence: are there any errors in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 20:25.18 | wols_ | main probem is, it's not debian specific |
| 20:26.20 | wAndyw78 | Yes, said that already. But its very propably, that GSL Programmers reside into #debian, not #ubuntu or ##c :-) |
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| 20:26.42 | DeFirence | stew: it says permission denied |
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| 20:26.45 | DeFirence | and im root?!? |
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| 20:27.21 | stew | DeFirence: ~/.xsession-errors is a logfile not something to execute |
| 20:27.34 | stew | DeFirence: how are you starting x? are you logging into a display manager? or running startx? |
| 20:27.38 | DeFirence | ahh right :P |
| 20:27.47 | DeFirence | x starts at boot |
| 20:27.54 | stew | DeFirence: who are you logging in as? |
| 20:28.01 | DeFirence | administrator |
| 20:28.02 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:28.15 | stew | DeFirence: then look at ~administrator/.xsession-errors |
| 20:28.20 | DeFirence | kk |
| 20:28.20 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, tnx |
| 20:28.56 | DeFirence | its empty |
| 20:29.02 | trentg | Hello, anyone know why my pc speaker doesn't beep? the pcspkr module is loaded. |
| 20:29.20 | trentg | And yes, it is plugged in and functional. |
| 20:29.25 | stew | DeFirence: when you ran "echo * >> /tmp/foo || echo no" did you run that as root or as administrator? |
| 20:29.33 | DeFirence | root |
| 20:29.38 | DeFirence | ill try as administrator now.. |
| 20:29.41 | stew | DeFirence: rm /tmp/foo ; then try the same as administrator |
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| 20:30.41 | DeFirence | no space left on the device it says :P |
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| 20:30.46 | DeFirence | (and no) |
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| 20:31.38 | stew | DeFirence: so your / partition does not, in fact, have plenty of space |
| 20:32.06 | DeFirence | then whys it work as root? |
| 20:32.38 | stew | DeFirence: becuase 5% of the fs is reseved for root only use so that root can fix things when the filesystem is full |
| 20:32.52 | DeFirence | and it does have space... its got a vmdisk limit of 8GB |
| 20:33.10 | stew | DeFirence: show us the output of 'df' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:33.18 | DeFirence | k |
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| 20:33.52 | DeFirence | ahh |
| 20:33.58 | DeFirence | thats stupid |
| 20:34.12 | DeFirence | the /home partition has space |
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| 20:34.30 | DeFirence | but /dev/sda1 is full |
| 20:34.54 | DeFirence | why the hell did it make the partition so small? |
| 20:35.09 | bkudria | how do i set a environment variable for a non-interactive ssh session? |
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| 20:35.19 | ezguy | is there max open-file size limitation in kernel 2.4? |
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| 20:35.29 | JonkoPaa | kwadronaut, |
| 20:35.33 | stiv2k | how do i reconfigure a package with dpkg? |
| 20:35.35 | ElDiabolo | ezguy: yes. |
| 20:35.38 | stiv2k | i thought there was a --reconfigure option |
| 20:35.40 | stiv2k | but i guess there isn't |
| 20:35.42 | dcnoye | how do i start a script as another user? |
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| 20:35.48 | karsten | dcnoye: man sudo |
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| 20:36.06 | Asmooh | hmm stew i can tell you something really strange, but i DO need to add a dot in my soa record, otherwish he dont know what it is |
| 20:36.07 | kb3llm | why do i keep getting "ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c20ed450] 'off' " messages? How do i stop them?? |
| 20:36.16 | ezguy | what is max value for kernel 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 20:36.37 | kb3llm | anyone? |
| 20:36.39 | karsten | ezguy: /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 20:36.59 | kwadronaut | JonkoPaa: ? |
| 20:37.04 | dcnoye | karsten: thank! |
| 20:37.18 | JonkoPaa | kwadronaut, did you froget about my query? |
| 20:37.23 | kb3llm | why do i keep getting "ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c20ed450] 'off' " messages? How do i stop them?? |
| 20:37.24 | ezguy | does said what's max value i can use in limits.conf? |
| 20:37.33 | ElDiabolo | ezguy: That can be cat from /proc. But probably its ulimit (see kartsten). |
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| 20:37.58 | kwadronaut | JonkoPaa: i did query you, didn't see anyting back though. |
| 20:38.06 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, filesystem tests here: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html ext3 seens a little slow compared to others.. |
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| 20:39.20 | DeFirence | is there any way to resize a partition without formatting? |
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| 20:39.46 | wols_ | yes, use (g)parted |
| 20:39.56 | wols_ | not all filesystems can be resized |
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| 20:42.10 | karsten | wols_: All filesystems can not be resized? |
| 20:42.20 | DeFirence | !(g)parted |
| 20:42.28 | ezguy | i tried to change from 1024 to 4096 but it doesn't work |
| 20:42.49 | wols_ | karsten: ever tried to shrink xfs? |
| 20:43.24 | obsethryl | wols_: xfs does not shrink |
| 20:43.41 | obsethryl | haggz: solved the spindown problem, produced my debs that fix it |
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| 20:44.34 | karsten | wols_: I've dried it at high heat. |
| 20:44.35 | obsethryl | oops i meant karsten, sorry wols_ |
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| 20:44.45 | syamajala | hmm |
| 20:45.03 | stew | Asmooh: what dot are you talking about? yes, you probably need a dot, before you were asking about ".dot" |
| 20:45.04 | syamajala | i seem to be missing file after running debootstrap and chrooting into my new system |
| 20:45.52 | stew | syamajala: which file? |
| 20:46.07 | syamajala | the command |
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| 20:46.25 | stew | syamajala: aptitude install file |
| 20:46.32 | kwadronaut | JonkoPaa: aha you're not registered with nickserv, that's why you can't msg me |
| 20:46.38 | weggpod | hy all |
| 20:47.16 | weggpod | how forbid the download of packet with apt or dpkg ? |
| 20:47.16 | syamajala | stew: didn't file used to apart of coreutils? |
| 20:47.54 | syamajala | i've been away from linux for a while... |
| 20:48.15 | stew | syamajala: not for at least the last 10 years: http://changelogs.debian.net/file |
| 20:48.30 | obsethryl | weggpod: check about what pinning is |
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| 20:48.58 | syamajala | ok |
| 20:49.09 | obsethryl | weggpod: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 20:49.25 | ]Spectre[ | hi |
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| 20:49.33 | stew | weggpod: use aptitude, and from the frontend hit 'F' or "man aptitude" and look for forbid |
| 20:49.33 | SNow_ | hey I have squid, as a cache, and I want to ask you wheter is it possible to redirect the real clients ip address to the server under squid? |
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| 20:50.31 | stew | SNow_: if i'm understanding you correctly, you want a "captive" portal, google for "captive squid iptables" |
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| 20:50.44 | obsethryl | weggpod: you can also do this via synaptic btw if you dont like cli guis, but do study pinning, it will eventually be of use to you in the general setting |
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| 20:51.25 | obsethryl | oh my god, i used an aolism |
| 20:51.42 | obsethryl | :s |
| 20:52.00 | SNow_ | stew I mean that I have a squid server which has the main @ and www record, then there is another server on which apache2 is running, and then the third one, mysql box |
| 20:52.07 | SNow_ | when a user connects to www.domain.net |
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| 20:52.26 | SNow_ | it get's to squid, it 'caches' and redirects to the apache server, the problem is, that I need users IP on apache's and mysql boxes |
| 20:52.43 | SNow_ | to maintain users, ban them and see their ip on the web instantly |
| 20:52.45 | stew | SNow_: oh you want to use squid as an inward proxy? |
| 20:53.02 | utopia_ | how can i check what name server address a host is using ? host & what options? |
| 20:53.04 | SNow_ | as a cache, and a proxy. |
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| 20:53.15 | dkr | a caching reverse proxy. :) |
| 20:53.30 | trentg | does modprobe.preload work on debian? |
| 20:53.31 | dkr | utopia_: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:53.51 | stew | SNow_: do you have a good reason that you want to use squid instead of apache's built in proxy? |
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| 20:54.09 | utopia_ | dkr, im looking to find out what name server address a web site is using |
| 20:54.15 | utopia_ | for whois info |
| 20:54.18 | dkr | SNow_: there is an option to add an additional header to proxied requests that is called X-Forwarded-For to pass along the original source ip |
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| 20:54.32 | xingu | SNow_: squid will be supplying an x-forwarded-for: to apache |
| 20:54.38 | dkr | utopia_: whois domain.com |
| 20:55.01 | irule | I am backing up a samba file server with bacula, and I have noticed that there are files with accents and weird characters that are seen by windows users in one way, but from withing the linux server with samba, as a locval user, the file looks quite differenty since the server was configured to have SPANISH locale, some chars get mixed up, and the bacula client is local to the file server so it is backing up files that are not identical to the files that a |
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| 20:55.02 | irule | windows client can see, what do you suggest I do to fix this? thanks! |
| 20:55.05 | SNow_ | stew: caching is the reason, because I have 300 req/s |
| 20:55.47 | utopia_ | thanks dkr |
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| 20:56.38 | stew | SNow_: is that more than apache's proxy / cache can handle? |
| 20:57.07 | weggpod | obsethryl, thank you but i don't see why pinning help me, i't just for the backporting |
| 20:57.13 | weggpod | (sorry for my english |
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| 20:58.28 | helo | i did an 'aptitude install xorg', and after it downloaded and installed the packages it said unto me, "E: Failed to fetch http:...xserver-xorg-video-nsc_2....: Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)". but if i retry the command, it doesn't redownload and install that package... shouldn't it? |
| 20:58.30 | obsethryl | weggpod: no worries, i was taking the more generic example where somebody wants to do more out of the ordinary stuff; plain forbid is as stew said. |
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| 21:00.05 | stew | helo: try a different mirror |
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| 21:00.12 | weggpod | can you ligth me to use pinning for my problem |
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| 21:00.28 | SNow_ | stew: I should use apache's reverse proxy? |
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| 21:00.40 | SNow_ | will it show the real ip address, and cache the content a little bit? |
| 21:00.43 | SNow_ | rather than squid? |
| 21:00.49 | chantanito_ | hi... |
| 21:01.01 | chantanito_ | i'm trying to compile ldtp in etch i386 |
| 21:01.24 | chantanito_ | but there's a package missing and i can't find it... |
| 21:01.27 | chantanito_ | cspi... |
| 21:01.29 | xingu | SNow_: just use the x-forwarded-for header for your access control; or better still, do you access control on the front end (squid), rather than the back end (apache) |
| 21:01.30 | chantanito_ | :S |
| 21:02.01 | helo | stew: it doesn't give me any errors or anything... it just didn't install that package and doesn't know apparently. i manually installed that package from the mirror i used and it worked |
| 21:02.27 | DustyBin | can the speed of a 7200 rpm hard drive run as fast as a 1000 BASE network? |
| 21:02.29 | stew | SNow_: it will do the same a squid, which is to provide the x-forwarded-for header |
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| 21:03.21 | stew | helo: "aptitude -f install" would like have tried to install it again |
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| 21:03.37 | helo | ahh |
| 21:03.45 | stew | helo: but i'm not sure, i'd have to see the actual output |
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| 21:03.52 | xingu | DustyBin: I've never met one that can; a solid-state disk on the other hand... |
| 21:04.09 | obsethryl | weggpod: for a simple forbid, do exactly as stew described above |
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| 21:05.28 | bfrog | why is gnome the default desktop? |
| 21:05.29 | stew | weggpod: if you want to use pinning, pin the package to a priority < 0 ; man apt_prefrerences |
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| 21:05.45 | stew | bfrog: bucause it tends to get removed from testing less often |
| 21:06.25 | bfrog | what do you mean removed... |
| 21:06.55 | stew | bfrog: i mean removed like kde more often gets removed from all of the testing mirrors during major library transitions |
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| 21:07.30 | stew | bfrog: debian from time to time removes packages from the testing release in order to facilitate library transitions |
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| 21:07.53 | bfrog | doesn't kde basically just rely on qt+kdelibs ... |
| 21:08.00 | bfrog | where as gnome has the 100 something deps though |
| 21:08.08 | stew | bfrog: and for whatever reason, it happens to kde more often than gnome. so the people that make the install cds used gnome |
| 21:08.42 | stew | bfrog: yes |
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| 21:09.34 | SNow_ | stew: so mod_reverse_proxy would give out x-forwarded header as well |
| 21:09.45 | SNow_ | or it originally would give out the real ip address? |
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| 21:09.56 | stew | SNow_: it would do the same as squid |
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| 21:10.10 | SNow_ | does it cache the static content? |
| 21:10.17 | stew | SNow_: no, mod_cache will though |
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| 21:10.45 | stew | simonrvn: failed |
| 21:10.49 | snacky | stew: interesting info, about gnome being the default desktop |
| 21:10.50 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:11.02 | SNow_ | stew: and squid would do that? |
| 21:11.06 | simonrvn | i gotta fix those schema |
| 21:11.11 | stew | SNow_: if you were ever going to want to add multiple real servers, mod_proxy would load balance them for you |
| 21:11.13 | DeFirence | ok, heres my problem: i cant install parted, cause theres no space to install it to, and i cant make space cause i dont have parted... |
| 21:11.14 | SNow_ | so I should set up mod_reverse_proxy and mod_cache? |
| 21:11.22 | streuner | !hakadance stew |
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| 21:11.47 | stew | SNow_: sure, or use squid |
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| 21:11.53 | stew | DeFirence: make room by uninstalling stuff |
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| 21:12.11 | DeFirence | stew: theres nothing installed that is space consuming |
| 21:12.25 | stew | DeFirence: if there is nothing installed then just blow it away and start over |
| 21:12.30 | SNow_ | stew: mod_cache should be on which box, where's mod reverse proxy or on another one |
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| 21:12.40 | stew | SNow_: the proxy box |
| 21:13.02 | DeFirence | all i installed was a few streaming apps, which are all small, but they took days to configure and make crontabs for etc :/ |
| 21:13.07 | SNow_ | ok, thanks stew |
| 21:13.11 | SNow_ | thank you very much |
| 21:13.35 | adrian | how can i install the kubuntu themes on lenny using an apt-get repository |
| 21:13.36 | SNow_ | and I have one more question, I'm heavily ddosed, is there any organisation on the net that would have concern about that |
| 21:13.39 | SNow_ | or it's only my problem? |
| 21:13.47 | SNow_ | and maybe you have some ideas how to prevent the DDoS ? |
| 21:14.06 | stew | SNow_: do you have a way to tell the DDoS traffic from legitimate traffic? |
| 21:14.11 | syamajala | my system is up |
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| 21:14.18 | mainer | SNow_: dshield.org |
| 21:14.36 | stew | DeFirence: removing packages doesn't remove their configuration |
| 21:14.38 | sayers | Is it okay if I unplug my floppy while the computer is on? Or will linux panic? |
| 21:14.45 | SNow_ | stew: yeah, they do POST / for 400 times in a sec |
| 21:14.57 | SNow_ | so i've banned them using netstat and sorting them out |
| 21:15.09 | mainer | you can submit logs there also and help watching trneds,identifying trouble |
| 21:15.11 | DeFirence | if i remove all the streaming software, ill free up about 4mb at most |
| 21:15.26 | adrian | how can i install the kubuntu themes on lenny using an apt-get repository |
| 21:15.39 | adrian | to much to work compiling |
| 21:15.44 | adrian | so any idees? |
| 21:15.48 | sayers | adrian: The same way? |
| 21:15.55 | sayers | just add the repos and install |
| 21:16.05 | stew | no |
| 21:16.05 | adrian | give me a link please |
| 21:16.07 | mainer | use an ubuntu source,why i can't guess but w.e works |
| 21:16.10 | stew | adrian: don't listen to sayers |
| 21:16.22 | streuner | stew: hehe :-) |
| 21:16.44 | redduck686 | what is the most lightweight browser that still allows me to do normal stuff like gmail? |
| 21:16.45 | stew | adrian: /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; but instead of using a sid src, use a kubuntu source. you donn't want to directly install pacakges from ubuntu onto debian |
| 21:16.49 | adrian | well then i`ll just download the source from kdethemes |
| 21:17.01 | adrian | and install it as i did on etch:D |
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| 21:17.20 | wAndyw78 | is there a way to speed up boot, if the network link is not connected? Here dhclient waits long until it aborts |
| 21:17.23 | mainer | redduck686: probly kazehakase,or a patched dillo maybe |
| 21:17.48 | stew | DeFirence: is /var on its own partition? |
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| 21:18.11 | redduck686 | mainer: ok, will look at them, thanks |
| 21:18.21 | DeFirence | only /home and the swap is |
| 21:18.32 | stew | DeFirence: "apt-get clean" will likely free up space |
| 21:18.39 | DeFirence | k |
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| 21:21.49 | weggpod | stew, pinning don't work when a first version of package is not installed |
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| 21:22.21 | DeFirence | thanks for baring with me hey stew :P |
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| 21:23.13 | stew | weggpod: why not? |
| 21:23.54 | weggpod | i pin squid with pin-priority at -10 |
| 21:24.21 | weggpod | but it doesn't work, when i make apt-get install squid |
| 21:24.29 | weggpod | it install squid |
| 21:24.34 | adrian | does debian have an apt repository for all kdethemes? |
| 21:25.17 | ErichDotzer | adrian: a meta package you mean? |
| 21:25.25 | mainer | no idea haven't used kde in couple years,probly tho |
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| 21:26.10 | ErichDotzer | kdeartwork maybe |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: that is old stuff |
| 21:26.28 | mainer | adrian: do apt-cache search kde or apt-cache search themes |
| 21:26.33 | abrotman | !tell SamuraiDio about fs comparison |
| 21:26.37 | stew | weggpod: why are you running apt-get install squid if you don't want to install squid? |
| 21:26.44 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: and even the second URL is old |
| 21:27.09 | adrian | thanks |
| 21:27.14 | mainer | sure |
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| 21:27.31 | Scurz | hi |
| 21:27.43 | weggpod | i just want test, because i'm not the only administrator on the system |
| 21:27.47 | adrian | one problem yet compiz intall work fine on nvidia card but on my mobility radeon x600 it`s not working |
| 21:27.55 | weggpod | and some of other make mistakes every time |
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| 21:28.03 | adrian | even on suse still no luck |
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| 21:28.38 | wols_ | adrian: the hardware/driver can't do it |
| 21:28.38 | ameyer | adrian: it's because ATI sucks on linux |
| 21:28.39 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, even if that's old stuff, the filesystems may not be changed to much |
| 21:29.03 | wols_ | this might change now tho |
| 21:29.24 | adrian | i no still they the latest driver works but it`s still buggy |
| 21:29.51 | Scurz | I've a little question about iptables, here are my rules, http://pastebin.com/m7b84f550 (I use iptables-save), how can I drop INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT ? |
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| 21:30.11 | ameyer | adrian: at least they finally seem to be trying |
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| 21:30.49 | ameyer | although, even if fglrx cured cancer, it'd still be non-free crap |
| 21:30.54 | kromagg | hi I have a strange problem with aptitude, it's trying to use the ipv6 address to a host instead of ipv4 |
| 21:31.11 | kromagg | there's not really any tunneling set up so it should just fail |
| 21:31.20 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: read the second link in what dpkg told you .. the differences are dramatic |
| 21:31.21 | kromagg | which it does, but it doesn't fallback to ipv4 |
| 21:31.29 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: erm .. i'm sorry .. the third link |
| 21:31.40 | kromagg | any ideas? |
| 21:31.41 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, ok, tnx abrotman |
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| 21:32.30 | Supaplex | Scurz: I didn't look at your rules, but either 1. iptables -P <chain> DROP 2. iptables -A <chain> -j DROP |
| 21:32.38 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: really .. there's no good way to test but using your own data .. but ext3 is a good all around FS .. |
| 21:32.41 | JamieCope | Hey. Any idea how to make a script to run at boot time? |
| 21:32.46 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 21:32.46 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
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| 21:34.26 | mainer | you can also use rc.local |
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| 21:36.20 | DeFirence | !parted |
| 21:36.20 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 21:36.39 | JamieCope | hmm, thank you very much |
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| 21:37.31 | Scurz | Supaplex: ok, and, I would drop all paquets on INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD, is it possible ? And so, with my rules, I will ACCEPT packets that I want.. |
| 21:37.54 | DeFirence | how do u list the partitions on your disk in parted? |
| 21:38.04 | Supaplex | Scurz: correct. #1 is better in that senario, as #2 would always have to be the last rule. |
| 21:38.21 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, tnx for the links |
| 21:38.36 | Scurz | because if I try, iptables -P INPUT DROP, iptables -P OUTPUT DROP. iptables -P FORWAD DROP, it doesn't work |
| 21:38.59 | Supaplex | FORWAD is an invalid chain anyway |
| 21:39.08 | Scurz | FORWARD sorry :) |
| 21:39.12 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 21:39.27 | Supaplex | Scurz: i suppose #2 is your best bet then |
| 21:39.39 | mainer | yes,because if you drop all output,how can you recieve related-established? |
| 21:40.09 | Scurz | mm |
| 21:40.25 | mainer | or i misunderstand your objective |
| 21:40.32 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: make more sense now ? |
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| 21:40.58 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, no, why reiser4 is so bad? |
| 21:41.13 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i could make a few guesses .. but just because? :) |
| 21:41.14 | osmosis | ls -lah /bin/sh does debian symlink to dash also? |
| 21:41.14 | Scurz | mainer: in a iptables script, isn't necessary to close all port and drop all packets? |
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| 21:41.30 | dalias | ppl still use reiser? |
| 21:41.31 | dalias | btw |
| 21:41.36 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, it seens better stay away from reiser ir managing huge files. tnx again |
| 21:41.39 | osmosis | dalias: i do. its great. |
| 21:41.39 | dalias | wtf is up with his trial? |
| 21:41.40 | abrotman | osmosis: bash .. on my systems anyways |
| 21:41.41 | dalias | anything new? |
| 21:41.42 | mainer | i've had several freinds lose data via fs corruption using reiser4,but some people use it w/o problems |
| 21:41.55 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: better to stay away from reiser in general :) |
| 21:42.08 | Supaplex | SamuraiDio: ext2/3 has vastly more hours in production use |
| 21:42.24 | dalias | ext2/3 actually has design |
| 21:42.35 | abrotman | dalias: it's not that reiser doesn't have design ... |
| 21:42.35 | DeFirence | <question> when i type print in parted i get "Error: Unable to open /dev/hdc - unrecognised disk label." </question> |
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| 21:43.07 | Supaplex | SamuraiDio: the only thing I'd user reiser on is /var/spool/squid*/ so it can be mkfs on boot in the event the filesystem needs checking (faster system recovery time) |
| 21:43.14 | Supaplex | s/user/use/ |
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| 21:44.10 | Scurz | mainer: ideas for my question? :-) |
| 21:44.11 | Supaplex | DeFirence: why does parted throw "unrecognised disk label." opening /dev/hdc? |
| 21:44.13 | Angelo | is there a Nashville debian group where they meet? |
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| 21:44.37 | abrotman | Angelo: there's a website for that IIRC |
| 21:44.45 | DeFirence | Supaplex: are u asking me my question? :S |
| 21:44.48 | Angelo | where? |
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| 21:45.25 | abrotman | Angelo: let me find it |
| 21:45.29 | Angelo | ok |
| 21:45.50 | Supaplex | DeFirence: in a more effective way, yes. did you google that error message? eg, parted "Error: unable to open" "unrecognised disk label" |
| 21:45.55 | mainer | Scurz: no ,but it depends what you're trying to do |
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| 21:46.20 | Scurz | mainer: I try to write my own iptables script |
| 21:46.39 | mainer | yes,but for a workstation,server,lan ? |
| 21:46.40 | abrotman | Angelo: here's a short list http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups .. also check linux.com for a larger list of general linux groups .. or start your own |
| 21:46.47 | Angelo | ty |
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| 21:46.54 | Scurz | mainer: desktop |
| 21:47.06 | Angelo | brb |
| 21:47.33 | mainer | i'd use killerwall or ipkungfu,or firestarter for a gui-app,kmyfirewalls good for roll your own's |
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| 21:48.06 | DeFirence | Supaplex: http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-parted@gnu.org/msg02328.html |
| 21:48.08 | mainer | kde,guarddog seems default,tons of checkboxes,but easy |
| 21:48.14 | DeFirence | it looks like its a parted bug |
| 21:48.25 | mainer | i prefer scripts,then editing for my needs |
| 21:48.42 | DeFirence | why am i so lucky to get random bugs ontop of all my problems? :/ |
| 21:48.46 | Supaplex | DeFirence: if so, it might be in <bts>. that being the case, it don't look good. |
| 21:48.49 | Scurz | mainer: this script will be also for a serveur (but I will change some rules) |
| 21:49.14 | Scurz | mainer: and, I don't want using firestarter |
| 21:49.18 | DeFirence | im so so so so so so so so so screwed |
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| 21:49.24 | Supaplex | DeFirence: I have plenty of my own bugs to :P eg, submitter email: debian@foss.daxal.com |
| 21:49.36 | jred184 | can someone help with installing a plextor px-tv402u on debian 4? |
| 21:49.49 | DeFirence | its k |
| 21:49.58 | ElDiabolo | Does an overview on NAS boxes as Debian platforms exist? URL? |
| 21:50.03 | DeFirence | i guess im gonna have to format =( |
| 21:50.03 | mainer | all kinds of good firewall scripts,gui-frontends,shorewall(shoreline firewall) is very good also |
| 21:50.21 | Scurz | mainer: surely... |
| 21:50.36 | Supaplex | DeFirence: try the parted live cd |
| 21:50.44 | DeFirence | lol |
| 21:50.47 | DeFirence | ok |
| 21:50.49 | Supaplex | !gparted |
| 21:50.49 | dpkg | from memory, gparted is the GNOME partition editor, which uses libparted (ask me about <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install "ntfsprogs" to enable NTFS support and "dosfstools" for FAT16/32 support. consider a <debian-live> image + installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the gparted live cd |
| 21:50.52 | Scurz | mainer: but, I should write rules for a server...also |
| 21:51.33 | Supaplex | DeFirence: normally dpkg's idea is good, but in your case, 3rdparty might be better. if you have a cdrw, try different variations before you give up |
| 21:51.48 | Supaplex | DeFirence: curious, you're installing with windows still installed or something? |
| 21:52.07 | DeFirence | no, debian is installed in a virtual machine |
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| 21:52.24 | DeFirence | but theres 0% space on / |
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| 21:52.30 | DeFirence | for some f**ked up reason |
| 21:52.39 | DeFirence | i didnt even install anything really? |
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| 21:52.40 | DeFirence | :S |
| 21:52.41 | mainer | you can write your own ruleset but better to use a known good as a guide,especially for a server if you'r first attempts at ip-tables rulesets. killerwall,ipkungfu,shorewall are probly best for your needs |
| 21:52.49 | DeFirence | problems seem to find me |
| 21:52.58 | \amethyst | DeFirence: how big is / ? |
| 21:53.02 | Supaplex | DeFirence: how many partitions does it have? |
| 21:53.07 | Scurz | mainer: No/ |
| 21:53.32 | DeFirence | just / , /home and the swap partitions |
| 21:53.34 | Scurz | No.* |
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| 21:54.18 | DeFirence | the / partition is 2395540 big |
| 21:54.30 | DeFirence | debian install made it like that |
| 21:54.32 | DeFirence | not me |
| 21:54.34 | DeFirence | :S |
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| 21:54.56 | azeem | you let it make it |
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| 21:55.17 | epsilon | 2MB? |
| 21:55.40 | epsilon | not much for / ... |
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| 21:56.47 | Scurz | mainer: thanks your help |
| 21:56.51 | Scurz | bye ! |
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| 21:56.56 | eth01 | any german people here? :P (who can translate from English to DE) ? |
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| 21:57.27 | epsilon | translate what? |
| 21:58.11 | abrotman | eth01: babelfish.altavista.com |
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| 21:59.37 | epsilon | and as usual, if you said what to translate, you'd have it now... always these meta-questions |
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| 22:00.15 | abrotman | he could have just asked a german channel? :) |
| 22:00.33 | Supaplex | !tell eth01 -about de |
| 22:00.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:00.57 | Supaplex | i was going to suggest that anyhow. :) just in case. |
| 22:01.07 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:01.07 | dpkg | "Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix." - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1 |
| 22:01.07 | eth01 | i'm English and live in the UK :P |
| 22:01.13 | eth01 | it was for personal reasons, thats all. |
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| 22:03.24 | wam | Hi, with a x86-64 cpu, 8GB RAM are no problem, right? Or do I have to take care of something? |
| 22:03.33 | abrotman | should be fine |
| 22:03.38 | tarzeau | wam: true |
| 22:03.40 | wam | ok, fine - thanks ;) |
| 22:03.41 | azeem | wam: you need to install a 64bit distro as well |
| 22:03.48 | wam | azeem: yeah - I did |
| 22:03.51 | stew | wam: 8gb is fine with a 64 bit kernel or with a bigmem 32 bit kernel |
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| 22:04.13 | wam | I love linux - it's just missing the problems ;) |
| 22:04.26 | tarzeau | wam: oh, then you're not trying hard enough |
| 22:04.32 | tarzeau | wam: it sure has its own problems too |
| 22:04.34 | stew | try running gnash on your new machine |
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| 22:04.54 | wam | stew: it's just a server |
| 22:05.10 | tarzeau | wam: serving what? |
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| 22:05.23 | wam | tarzeau: zope/plone with nginx and varnish |
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| 22:07.29 | DeFirence | ok, im kak confused now |
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| 22:07.37 | DeFirence | i got the live cd to work |
| 22:07.41 | DeFirence | gparted |
| 22:07.50 | DeFirence | but theres 4 partitions |
| 22:07.59 | dserban | I want to block udev from loading a couple of specific modules on boot. Where do I list these modules? |
| 22:08.14 | wols_ | !tell dserban about blacklist |
| 22:08.32 | dserban | wols_, /etc/modules.d/blacklist? :o |
| 22:08.40 | DeFirence | theres /dec/sda1, swap, /home and then ftw is /dev/sda2 which is extended? |
| 22:08.48 | DeFirence | wtf* |
| 22:08.56 | dserban | ahh nvm thanks wols_ |
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| 22:09.22 | DeFirence | cause /dev/sda2 is 5.6gb and i dunno what it is? |
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| 22:11.26 | wols_ | an extended partition. a partition that holds othre partitions |
| 22:13.02 | DeFirence | ahha |
| 22:13.03 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: for historical reasons, there is an extended partition for the case that you need more than 4 partitions. because you can only have 4 primary partitions. so you can make the 4th primary partition be "extended" and put additional "virtual" partitions inside |
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| 22:13.31 | DeFirence | ya, ok |
| 22:13.39 | DeFirence | now im less confused :P |
| 22:13.43 | ErichDotzer | heh |
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| 22:14.37 | Gm4n | I'm trying to use a ssh reverse port forward to allow external access to my httpd. However, while I can get it working for ssh, it doesn't seem to work for httpd. Any ideas? |
| 22:14.57 | DeFirence | why cant i increase the size of the first partition? |
| 22:15.02 | wols_ | Gm4n: not if you don't tell us what you are doing exactly |
| 22:15.09 | DeFirence | it doesnt allow me to increase the size |
| 22:15.13 | DeFirence | only decrease |
| 22:15.14 | sayers | Where is the apache log located for webalizer? |
| 22:15.28 | wols_ | sayers: all logs are under /var/log/ |
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| 22:15.40 | sayers | wols_: Yes but /var/log/apache/ has nothing in it |
| 22:15.41 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: bigger is only possible of there is free space after, smaller is only possible of unused blocks are in it |
| 22:15.49 | wols_ | sayers: and apache2? |
| 22:15.54 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: oh, and you have to unmount it |
| 22:15.57 | sayers | sayers: I think it's apache 2 |
| 22:16.00 | Gm4n | ssh -R 8000:localhost:80 some.web.server, so I can http://some.web.server:8000 |
| 22:16.11 | jakub_ | hi |
| 22:16.14 | jakub_ | please i have problem |
| 22:16.20 | jakub_ | dpkg needs from me to use apt-get -f install |
| 22:16.22 | DeFirence | ErichDotzer: theres unused space on the disk, and im booting off a gpart cd |
| 22:16.26 | jakub_ | but if i do it, it gets error |
| 22:16.29 | DeFirence | so whats wrong then? |
| 22:16.29 | jakub_ | what i must do ? |
| 22:16.31 | wols_ | !tell jakub_ about bat |
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| 22:16.48 | wols_ | DeFirence: is there unused space directly after the partition? |
| 22:16.52 | Gm4n | the interesting thing is if I do the same for ssh instead of http, it works (ie, 8000:localhost:22) |
| 22:16.52 | jakub_ | okay |
| 22:16.58 | sayers | wols_: no it was apache, i uninstalled that and installed apache but now it takes me to /apache-defualt |
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| 22:17.11 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: yes. i think the live CD auto mounts all partitions it detects. make sure with "mount" and "umount <partition>" in case |
| 22:17.11 | jakub_ | how to change console language ? |
| 22:17.13 | jakub_ | with export |
| 22:17.17 | jakub_ | for my paste in english |
| 22:17.18 | wols_ | sayers: that has nothing to do with the logs |
| 22:17.24 | DeFirence | ohh, no there isnt wols_ :P |
| 22:17.30 | sayers | wols_: I know |
| 22:18.00 | DeFirence | how can i move the free space from the extended partition to the first one? |
| 22:18.05 | wols_ | sayers: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 22:18.13 | wols_ | DeFirence: resize it |
| 22:18.16 | jakub_ | http://paste.debian.net/41018 |
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| 22:18.32 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: see the partition like a piece of a road. to make the road larger you need free space directly after |
| 22:18.32 | DeFirence | huh |
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| 22:18.57 | ErichDotzer | and you cant just move pieces of space around :) |
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| 22:19.20 | mmc | how can I pin several packages? it seems I can only pin one or all (*) in one "statement" |
| 22:19.43 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: there is a work around if you have enough free space in the extended partition. then you can copy the entire partition there, delete the old and move things around |
| 22:19.56 | guillaume1 | i'm trying to enable a bluetooth lynk between a sagem my700x and my laptop, the link can be established by the phoe and I can send files to the laptop, but I can't send files from the laptop to the phone, when I open browse device, there's a lock in front of my phone blurtooth name, any idea ? |
| 22:20.02 | DeFirence | http://defirence.za.net/downloads/1.jpg |
| 22:20.05 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: always with a risk to lose data :) |
| 22:20.18 | DeFirence | ill rather risk it then format :P |
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| 22:20.33 | jakub_ | http://paste.debian.net/41018 it`s here <---- |
| 22:21.15 | guillaume1 | I obtain this message : « obex://[00:12:d2:1b:64:31] » not valid. |
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| 22:26.15 | frog | hi, sorry for beeing stupid, but... diff something1 to something2 means: diff -u something1 something2>patch && patch -p0 <patch ? |
| 22:26.52 | azeem | frog: why 2> patch? |
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| 22:27.57 | frog | azeem: sorry, i don't get you... |
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| 22:28.14 | azeem | frog: why do you do "2> patch"ß? |
| 22:28.16 | azeem | -ss |
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| 22:29.16 | frog | well, was just an example... the files should be named something1 and something2 |
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| 22:30.02 | azeem | what is your question then, if the rest of the command-line is just an example? |
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| 22:31.31 | frog | azeem: i'm not sure if i undrstood correctly what does diff something1 to something2 means |
| 22:31.44 | frog | azeem: what do you mean with reset? |
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| 22:32.06 | sayers | There isn't anything in my /var/www/apache2/ wols_ |
| 22:32.07 | sherl0ck | hi im looking for a video program, that i can go frame by frame and take screenshots, anyone know of one? |
| 22:32.16 | jakub_ | http://paste.debian.net/41018 it`s here <---- |
| 22:32.21 | jakub_ | i have problem with apt-get -f install |
| 22:32.21 | wols_ | sayers: I asked you for the output of a command |
| 22:32.26 | jakub_ | i need to solve it |
| 22:32.36 | azeem | frog: I said rest, not reset |
| 22:32.44 | frog | sorry |
| 22:32.47 | azeem | frog: if you don't know what it means, I suggest you read the documentation |
| 22:32.58 | rc | sherl0ck: mplayer? |
| 22:32.59 | sayers | wols_: mustve mised it |
| 22:33.00 | azeem | or maybe tell us why you need to diff things in the first place |
| 22:34.23 | wols_ | sayers: dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 22:34.39 | wols_ | sayers: and there cannot be a /var/www/apache2 |
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| 22:35.05 | sayers | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d5efe32b7 |
| 22:35.06 | wols_ | well, it can but there usually isn't |
| 22:35.13 | sayers | i meant /var/log/apahce2 |
| 22:35.29 | wols_ | sayers: /var/log/apache2 |
| 22:35.40 | wols_ | that is if apache2 is running |
| 22:36.14 | jakub_ | thank you for help |
| 22:36.26 | frog | ok, i have 2 codes - new and old. must diff old to new. so did : diff -u old new >patch && patch -p0 < patch. but it doesn't seem to work(the update was made, but the code doesn't compile). now i'm not sure, if i understood it wrong, or if the instuction is unproper |
| 22:37.06 | azeem | frog: why do you want to diff and patch at the same time? |
| 22:37.36 | azeem | frog: also, did you inspect the file `patch' and made sure it looks OK? |
| 22:38.07 | frog | azeem: well the patch looks like... patch |
| 22:38.27 | wols_ | astill doesn't answer why you would diff and then patch immediately |
| 22:38.31 | wols_ | makes no sense |
| 22:38.49 | azeem | frog: how did you create old and new? |
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| 22:39.05 | frog | i have old and new |
| 22:39.21 | frog | and created only patch... |
| 22:39.23 | azeem | where from? |
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| 22:39.43 | frog | from the project page. the old is new version |
| 22:40.01 | azeem | so why do you need to make old the same as new? |
| 22:40.08 | frog | well, the old is in my kernel source tree |
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| 22:40.48 | azeem | so? |
| 22:40.51 | frog | and there was an update to this code(the old code is buggy). |
| 22:41.07 | frog | and someone told i should diff old to new |
| 22:41.32 | azeem | that doesn't explain why you would patch it afterwards |
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| 22:42.10 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 22:42.27 | sobersabre | I have a package kernel-headers installed. |
| 22:42.38 | sobersabre | and I have iinstalled package linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 22:42.57 | sobersabre | I can see that /usr/src/linux points to the `headers` folder, and not to the source. |
| 22:43.13 | sobersabre | is there a "debian" way to update this link, or ln -s would do ? |
| 22:43.20 | frog | hm, so the diff doesn't change anything... |
| 22:43.30 | bzed | sobersabre: ln -s should do |
| 22:43.32 | azeem | sobersabre: why do you need the full source? |
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| 22:43.55 | sobersabre | azeem I am not sure I "need", but I want xfs driver to support project type of quota. |
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| 22:44.02 | sobersabre | I think the stock one doesn't. |
| 22:44.09 | sobersabre | I am checking dmesg. now. |
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| 22:50.03 | russo | is there a way i can add only kde4 from experimental? |
| 22:50.20 | dondelelcaro | russo: if you're running sid, yes. |
| 22:50.31 | russo | not running anything yet |
| 22:50.41 | dondelelcaro | russo: just add an experimental sources.list entry, and then use aptitude to select the version from experimental that you want |
| 22:50.46 | russo | i just removed freebsd... after i realised there no amd64 support for what i need :P |
| 22:50.52 | russo | i.e. usb |
| 22:50.54 | russo | :D |
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| 22:52.27 | sayers | russo: haha |
| 22:52.46 | russo | sayers: don't laugh :P its agravating :P |
| 22:52.51 | russo | i run openbsd on my servers |
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| 23:00.24 | guillaume1 | what's the name of the software for managing mobile phone under debian ? |
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| 23:02.38 | abrotman | guillaume1: depends on the phone |
| 23:03.01 | guillaume1 | abrotman: gammu ? |
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| 23:03.05 | abrotman | that's one of them |
| 23:03.20 | guillaume1 | abrotman: it's sagem my700x |
| 23:03.32 | abrotman | i'm not going to look for oyu |
| 23:04.08 | chuck | hi, i'm trying to get mailman setup |
| 23:04.24 | chuck | i seem to have it all setup, but when i try to send a test message to the list, i get this error: |
| 23:04.27 | chuck | 2007-10-29 17:54:43 1Ikfq7-0002gT-CO == |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner unixpod-main <unixpod-main-owner@unixpod.com> R=system_aliases defer (-30): pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router |
| 23:04.45 | chuck | anyone know how to get that working? |
| 23:05.42 | abrotman | what threw that error ? |
| 23:06.14 | chuck | i found that in the /var/log/exim4/mainlog file |
| 23:06.25 | n3kl | Where are mysql databases held? |
| 23:06.51 | abrotman | n3kl: /var/lib/mysql/ |
| 23:07.02 | n3kl | abrotman: thanks. |
| 23:07.08 | abrotman | chuck: did you add the alias and run newaliases |
| 23:07.10 | abrotman | !tell mefu about away |
| 23:07.11 | hackeron_ | hey, does anyone know a way to monitor microphone for sound and record if the sound level is above a certain threshold? |
| 23:07.26 | chuck | abrotman: yes, i think so |
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| 23:07.36 | abrotman | hackeron_: do you know of an app that can tell you if there's a sound level ? |
| 23:07.37 | mefu | oops |
| 23:07.41 | abrotman | chuck: double check |
| 23:07.41 | chuck | abrotman: yep |
| 23:07.43 | petemc | no need to run newaliases |
| 23:07.48 | chuck | i just did |
| 23:07.53 | petemc | no need to |
| 23:07.54 | mefu | sorry abrot |
| 23:08.20 | abrotman | petemc: does that error make sense to you ? |
| 23:08.21 | hackeron_ | abrotman: no, that would be a good start if I did :) |
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| 23:09.02 | petemc | abrotman: it does, it means the router that handles the aliases is missing the option to allow piping messages |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | evil! |
| 23:09.21 | petemc | how to fix it 'the debian way' , i dont know |
| 23:09.24 | petemc | im sure google does |
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| 23:09.51 | n3kl | How can I get mysql working again? I dropped the 'mysql' database and I don't have a backup. |
| 23:09.59 | abrotman | haha |
| 23:10.01 | abrotman | sorry |
| 23:10.06 | chuck | n3kl: oops |
| 23:10.32 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: move away your existing databases, re-initialize, and move them back. |
| 23:10.32 | guillaume1 | chuck: you have to edit your exim config |
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| 23:10.50 | n3kl | yeah. I am getting ready to setup a slave, so there is no real data loss here. I wanted a clean mysql install to set the slave up, and turns out its a little too clean now. Too clean to start. |
| 23:11.46 | giwe | say /home/user is set to chmod 700. Is it possible to let other users read/write to a directory /home/user/all by doing chmod 777 /home/user/all? |
| 23:11.51 | abrotman | hackeron_: there must be a way to quantify it .. i know audacity shows it |
| 23:11.57 | eth01 | hrmm... how can i add modules to apache? |
| 23:12.02 | eth01 | i need mod_perl .... |
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| 23:12.33 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: so you need to use mysqld --bootstrap; or similar. |
| 23:12.50 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: see mysql_install_db; et al. in the mysql documentation |
| 23:12.55 | petemc | chuck: which guide are you following? |
| 23:13.19 | dkr | eth01: aptitude install libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 23:13.32 | hackeron_ | abrotman: yes, there must be a way, but how :) |
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| 23:13.53 | abrotman | hackeron_: if i knew .. i'd have told you already! |
| 23:14.05 | eth01 | hackeron: for python? :) |
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| 23:14.28 | hackeron_ | eth01: huh? |
| 23:14.50 | chuck | petemc: just hte one one the mailman site |
| 23:15.02 | eth01 | hackeron: mod_python ? |
| 23:15.02 | petemc | chuck: look in /use/share/doc/mailman |
| 23:15.24 | abrotman | eth01: apt-cache search apache python .. try doing this on your own |
| 23:15.58 | karmatronic | hackeron_: maybe there s a jack tool to do this kind of thing |
| 23:17.13 | hackeron_ | karmatronic: well, if there is I can't find it :( |
| 23:17.18 | abrotman | i see maybe bitscope and meterbridge |
| 23:17.27 | guillaume1 | chuck: have you edited main transport and router sessions in your exim4 config files ? |
| 23:17.34 | abrotman | but those might not work .. not sure how jack works with the mic |
| 23:18.08 | karmatronic | hackeron_: silentjack does the exact opposite |
| 23:18.27 | chuck | how do i update my exim4 config after i edit the exim4.conf.template file? |
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| 23:18.31 | n3kl | Now when after running the mysql_install_db script, I get 'Access denied for user'debian-sys-maint'@''localhost' when I try to start mysql. How can this be resolved? |
| 23:19.02 | karmatronic | n3kl: connect first as root and add the user to the admin table |
| 23:19.13 | petemc | chuck: update-exim4.conf , are you following the debian mailman how to in /usr/share/doc/mailman ? |
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| 23:19.23 | chuck | yeah i found something |
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| 23:21.20 | n3kl | karmatronic: and where do I set the password? |
| 23:22.45 | karmatronic | use mysql; |
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| 23:23.02 | karmatronic | n3kl: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO adminmysql@localhost |
| 23:23.20 | karmatronic | n3kl: IDENTIFIED BY 'mot2passe' WITH GRANT OPTION; |
| 23:23.36 | karmatronic | n3kl: mot2passe would be the password |
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| 23:24.11 | karmatronic | n3kl: worked ? |
| 23:24.29 | n3kl | karmatronic: right. But how do I know what password is being used to log in with the debian-sys-maint user account? |
| 23:24.44 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.04 | n3kl | Doesn't exist. |
| 23:25.11 | abrotman | isn't it my.cnf ? |
| 23:25.46 | petemc | there should be both |
| 23:25.48 | karmatronic | n3kl: i ve got this debian.cnf here with indeed the password for this user |
| 23:25.53 | hackeron_ | karmatronic: yeah, silentjack doesn't really help :( |
| 23:26.10 | karmatronic | hackeron_: yeah but isnt it a cool tool ? |
| 23:26.54 | hackeron_ | karmatronic: lol, yes, except not too useful for me :( |
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| 23:27.22 | karmatronic | n3kl: why do you need this user anyway...maybe creating a sample debian.cnf with the line user = debian-sys-maint |
| 23:27.34 | Rondom | has anyone successfully done a netinst with apt-proxy? |
| 23:27.39 | karmatronic | n3kl: and with your own password might solve your problem |
| 23:27.49 | n3kl | karmatronic: its just an error I see when I start mysql. |
| 23:27.58 | karmatronic | n3kl: dont forget to restart mysql though |
| 23:29.12 | petemc | n3kl: if you want that error to go away, you need to grant all to the debian-sys-maint user |
| 23:29.16 | abrotman | hackeron_: the two i said ? |
| 23:29.28 | abrotman | or stop using mysql :) |
| 23:29.51 | petemc | that has other, possibly unwanted side effects |
| 23:30.15 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:30.42 | goat|work | does dd work if the output device is mounted? |
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| 23:31.07 | goat|work | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda3 would that work if hda3 is mounted? |
| 23:31.21 | hackeron_ | abrotman: oh, sorry, missed those 2, checking them out now |
| 23:31.26 | \amethyst | goat|work: it might work, but it could crash the system.. Filesystems don't like having data changed underneath them |
| 23:31.58 | goat|work | ok, thanks |
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| 23:32.41 | abrotman | hackeron_: you could also ask #alsa |
| 23:32.46 | hackeron_ | abrotman: I did :) |
| 23:33.07 | hackeron_ | abrotman: and those 2 are just toy gui meters :( -- I want to start recording on a sound event, and stop recording after a certain grace period |
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| 23:33.33 | abrotman | hackeron_: right .. they don't have like a batch mode or anything ? |
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| 23:33.54 | freetos | 64 Studio is not a Debian derivative or fork, but a "remix" of Debian |
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| 23:34.06 | abrotman | freetos: it's NOT debian |
| 23:34.23 | hackeron_ | abrotman: not from what I can tell -- nothing in the documentation |
| 23:34.32 | \amethyst | freetos: what's the difference between a derivative and a remix? |
| 23:34.51 | stiv2k | how do i get openoffice to stop loading with qt/KDE style? |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | hackeron_: and #alsa didn't have any ideas ? |
| 23:35.30 | Angelo | is the a paltalk program for debian? |
| 23:35.31 | freetos | \amethyst: ubuntu is a derivative, 64studio is a remix |
| 23:35.40 | abrotman | oh jesus ... |
| 23:35.47 | abrotman | freetos: it is *not* debian |
| 23:36.08 | Supaplex | !tell freetos -about based on debian |
| 23:36.19 | \amethyst | freetos: I didn't ask for examples |
| 23:36.32 | karmatronic | abrotman: so we hate anything that s not debian ? |
| 23:36.43 | \amethyst | karmatronic: we don't support them here |
| 23:36.45 | Supaplex | who said we hate them? |
| 23:36.54 | karmatronic | Supaplex: i said it :) |
| 23:36.58 | abrotman | karmatronic: no .. i didn't say that .. but he was asking for help earlier and insisting that whatever thing he's using is debian |
| 23:37.00 | Supaplex | you're misguided |
| 23:37.09 | hackeron_ | abrotman: well, arecord shows a volume meter if ran with -vv -- but that's not all that helpful :( |
| 23:37.28 | abrotman | hackeron_: volume doesn't help .. you want current input i imagine |
| 23:37.53 | Supaplex | our 'debian friends/forks/derived distros' scratch our back every now and then. |
| 23:38.58 | karmatronic | Supaplex: ubuntustudio is a good derived though |
| 23:39.07 | abrotman | hackeron_: dig into a recorder app's code and see how they do it |
| 23:39.39 | hackeron_ | abrotman: well, I actually want speech detection |
| 23:39.59 | abrotman | haha |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | sound is sound |
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| 23:40.12 | freetos | if it's not *PURE DEBIAN* then we don't want any, LOL |
| 23:40.12 | hackeron_ | abrotman: but volume/noise detection is good enough really -- I'll just set the threshold above the background level |
| 23:40.23 | hackeron_ | abrotman: definitely not current detection though |
| 23:40.40 | abrotman | freetos: uhm .. there are dozens of debian derived distros .. of which yours is one |
| 23:41.12 | \amethyst | freetos: you know there's a #64studio on freenode, right? |
| 23:41.19 | \amethyst | freetos: they even link to it on their web page |
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| 23:41.30 | \amethyst | s/link/refer/ |
| 23:41.39 | rmaj | extension ... could not be installed, because it is not compatible with iceweasel.... WTF?! |
| 23:41.50 | \amethyst | rmaj: You can trick it |
| 23:41.56 | rmaj | grrrrr |
| 23:42.16 | chuck | abrotman: i went through the whole README.Exim4.Debian file and i get the same error |
| 23:42.26 | rmaj | \amethyst: how? |
| 23:42.29 | abrotman | chuck: wasn't petemc helping you ? |
| 23:42.37 | \amethyst | rmaj: go into about:config, find general.useragent.extra.firefox, and set its value to Firefox/2.0.0.7 (or whatever the version) |
| 23:42.54 | \amethyst | rmaj: you can change it back after installing the extension if you want |
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| 23:43.03 | abrotman | chuck: i mean .. if you want .. i can read it too :) |
| 23:43.11 | rmaj | \amethyst: its extension for icedove actually (email client) sorry |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | rmaj: for which version of thunderbird? |
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| 23:43.39 | \amethyst | rmaj: there's probably some way to do the same in icedove, but I don't use it so I don't know |
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| 23:43.50 | rmaj | abrotman: 1.5.0.7 (20060927) |
| 23:44.00 | karmatronic | does anyone use icedove or mutt here ? |
| 23:44.18 | petemc | undoubtedly |
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| 23:44.58 | abrotman | \amethyst: probably have to update it manually with a text editor |
| 23:45.07 | freetos | fyi, i've got *pure debian* installed, i'm trying to upgrade to studio64 |
| 23:45.13 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:45.14 | rmaj | abrotman: like: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/345 for example |
| 23:45.34 | karmatronic | freetos: why do you need 64studio? |
| 23:45.46 | abrotman | why does he keep bothering us? |
| 23:45.49 | chuck | abrotman: new error, but better |
| 23:45.51 | freetos | is there a way to get around NO_PUBLICKEY during an apt-get update? |
| 23:45.51 | chuck | 2007-10-29 18:48:26 1ImeLK-0007QD-4q ** |/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post unixpod-main <unixpod-main@unixpod.com> R=system_aliases T=address_pipe: Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command: /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman |
| 23:46.03 | karmatronic | abrotman: :) |
| 23:46.13 | freetos | karmatronic: realtime lowlatency kernel for music recording |
| 23:46.27 | karmatronic | freetos: i have that here with debian lenny :) |
| 23:46.46 | karmatronic | freetos: its a kernel issue anyway |
| 23:47.02 | freetos | karmatronic: is lenny stable? |
| 23:47.18 | karmatronic | freetos: for me yeah , but you could have RT with etch |
| 23:47.27 | Supaplex | freetos: topic (it's testing) |
| 23:47.39 | abrotman | rmaj: and what's the error ? |
| 23:47.48 | karmatronic | freetos: i used too and went to lenny cod i need freebob support in jackd |
| 23:47.50 | \amethyst | dpkg, iceweasel user-agent is not the same as Firefox. If you encounter a site or plugin that works with Firefox but not Iceweasel, first smack the authors, then go to about:config and change general.useragent.extra.firefox to Firefox/<version>; or use an extension to change your user-agent. |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | chuck: makes no sense to me |
| 23:47.50 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
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| 23:48.23 | freetos | karmatronic: so lenny doesn't crash |
| 23:48.31 | karmatronic | freetos: no |
| 23:48.39 | rmaj | abrotman: ok problem solved |
| 23:48.41 | Supaplex | !testing status |
| 23:48.41 | dpkg | hmm... testing status is http://wiki.debian.org/Status/Testing |
| 23:48.42 | karmatronic | freetos: not that often |
| 23:48.50 | Supaplex | freetos: see what dpkg just said |
| 23:48.52 | Supaplex | :) |
| 23:48.55 | abrotman | rjaokay |
| 23:49.10 | abrotman | rmaj: okay |
| 23:50.37 | freetos | Supaplex: i know, i'm running etch |
| 23:50.40 | tdrus1 | I want to install debian from netinst. What I need to do is edit the network so it has a mtu of ~1400. Is the only way to do this just install the base, then install everything afterwords? |
| 23:50.56 | claudio` | Who wrote the d-d-a answer of dpkg? ;) |
| 23:51.12 | fujin_ | mtu of 1400? nasty |
| 23:51.16 | fujin_ | what kind of network? |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | claudio`: why? |
| 23:51.25 | claudio` | abrotman: it's funny ;) |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | claudio`: seems fine to me |
| 23:51.29 | abrotman | funny? |
| 23:51.39 | tdrus1 | fujin: or something where it won't mess with the connection of other users around me? |
| 23:51.43 | Supaplex | claudio`: d-d-a answer huh? |
| 23:52.03 | claudio` | Supaplex and abrotman: yes |
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| 23:52.19 | abrotman | claudio`: seems correct to me |
| 23:52.21 | Supaplex | claudio`: what d-d-a answer |
| 23:52.30 | claudio` | abrotman: who told it isn't? |
| 23:52.30 | abrotman | !d-d-a |
| 23:52.30 | dpkg | methinks d-d-a is debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's less than one message a day, so Testing and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 23:52.39 | freetos | karmatronic: jacklab, ie..JAD1.0 has freebob support in jackd *i think* |
| 23:52.42 | tdrus1 | Will gnome-desktop-environment give me everything of a normal install? |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | you probably want xorg too |
| 23:53.19 | tdrus1 | what about the laptop and system packages. How can I get those? |
| 23:53.20 | karmatronic | freetos: jackd doesnt have it in etch |
| 23:53.47 | freetos | karmatronic: i'm sure it could be compiled in to run on etch |
| 23:53.52 | Supaplex | tdrus1: ifconfig <if> mtu <mtu> from a command line. man 5 interfaces otherwise. and yes, install the base, then whatever else it is you want. |
| 23:54.02 | karmatronic | freetos: and recompiling implies recompiling qjackctl , so that means compiling qt4, and i m not that crazy :) |
| 23:54.50 | tdrus1 | When I installed debian before I selected Desktop environment, system (something), and laptop. How can I have all those? |
| 23:55.03 | freetos | karmatronic: so does lenny have up to date packages that are available on 64studio and ubuntustudio? |
| 23:55.15 | karmatronic | freetos: i think so |
| 23:55.29 | abrotman | tdrus1: tasksel |
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| 23:56.29 | tdrus1 | abrotman: tasksel? as in while I'm in a terminal I type tasksel? |
| 23:56.36 | Supaplex | !tasksel |
| 23:56.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
| 23:56.40 | Supaplex | tdrus1: yes. |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | tdrus1: yep |
| 23:57.12 | tdrus1 | sweet thanks |
| 23:57.24 | kgoetz | awsome bot |
| 23:57.28 | tdrus1 | off to install debian to get over ubuntu gutsy bloat |
| 23:57.55 | Supaplex | dpkg: bot snack |
| 23:57.55 | dpkg | :), Supaplex |
| 23:58.03 | torgrimt | tdrus1: good idea ;) |
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| 23:58.30 | Supaplex | tdrus1: oh, that reminds me. guess what? :) |
| 23:58.55 | eldowan | hmm. periodically in KDE I loose my mouse completely. The cursor dissapears completely and is non responsive at all. Is there a way to fix this without restarting X? |
| 23:59.14 | tdrus1 | supaplex: what? |
| 23:59.15 | Supaplex | !depth charge bloated gutsy installs |
| 23:59.18 | karmatronic | eldowan: does it only happen within KDE? |
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| 23:59.45 | tdrus1 | supaplex: hahahaha nice |
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| 23:59.57 | Supaplex | karmatronic: ps/2 mouse or usb? |
