| 00:00.03 | eldowan | karmatronic: it happens once or twice a month or so, but I don't work in Gnome or any other. I've never felt comfortable enough to get work done efficentially. |
| 00:00.06 | eldowan | Supaplex: wireless usb |
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| 00:00.29 | Supaplex | eldowan: try unplugging it for a moment or two, and plug it back in |
| 00:00.41 | rmaj | hmm if I have time, can I get recent version of some application but compiling it and making own deb of it? |
| 00:00.46 | Supaplex | karmatronic: pardon my misdirect. :) |
| 00:00.47 | eldowan | Supaplex: even though on a X restart it works correctly? |
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| 00:01.04 | karmatronic | Supaplex: never mind, i use ps2 for your information :) |
| 00:01.09 | Supaplex | eldowan: no idea. I call it a work around. |
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| 00:01.24 | rmaj | *by |
| 00:01.25 | Supaplex | eldowan: it might work, maybe not. no loss right? |
| 00:01.39 | eldowan | Supaplex: no change. |
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| 00:01.59 | Supaplex | interesting |
| 00:02.17 | Sebboh | if I try to pull up a man page like salt (3) and I don't have it, what package should I install it get it? |
| 00:02.33 | Supaplex | apt-file search man/salt |
| 00:02.51 | Supaplex | apt-file search man3/salt |
| 00:02.53 | eldowan | it also happens to a collegue of mine. He runs etch, I'm on lenny. Usually it hapens for him when he is using VMware. I've got vmware installed too, but not running currently. |
| 00:03.19 | Supaplex | no hits here. humm |
| 00:03.30 | karmatronic | eldowan: wasnt vmware broken on lenny? |
| 00:03.44 | eldowan | karmatronic: it also happens on etch, and did on sarge too. |
| 00:03.58 | \amethyst | Supaplex: what is salt(3) supposed to be? |
| 00:04.04 | Supaplex | Sebboh: I find a few similar ones apt-file search salt | grep man |
| 00:04.14 | karmatronic | eldowan: so ? |
| 00:04.16 | eldowan | karmatronic: but yes, vmware is, or was, broken on lenny. vmware forums pointed me to the any-any patch that corrected the issue nicely. |
| 00:04.20 | Supaplex | \amethyst: password hashing |
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| 00:04.32 | Supaplex | I bet it's in crypt |
| 00:04.33 | \amethyst | Supaplex: you mean crypt(3) ? |
| 00:04.33 | Sebboh | \amethyst: a description of 'salt' as used in crypt() |
| 00:04.46 | karmatronic | eldowan: let s try this any-any patch |
| 00:04.49 | Supaplex | nice. gmta^3 |
| 00:04.50 | Sebboh | \amethyst: my name is Sebboh.. |
| 00:04.55 | Sebboh | ;) |
| 00:05.01 | Sebboh | wait |
| 00:05.03 | Sebboh | sorry. |
| 00:05.12 | Sebboh | Supaplex is also talking! :D |
| 00:05.16 | \amethyst | Sebboh: crypt(3) should have all the info |
| 00:05.28 | eldowan | karmatronic: do you want a point to it? |
| 00:05.28 | karmatronic | eldowan: i think i already did ,but if it works for you ! |
| 00:05.47 | Sebboh | thanks \amethyst, Supaplex. |
| 00:05.51 | Supaplex | np |
| 00:05.54 | eldowan | karmatronic: back in a minute with my mouse... |
| 00:05.56 | fujin_ | char *crypt(const char *key, const char *salt); |
| 00:06.00 | fujin_ | what more description do you need |
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| 00:06.08 | fujin_ | salt is a two-character string chosen from the set [a-zA-Z0-9./]. This string is used to perturb the algorithm in one of |
| 00:06.08 | fujin_ | 4096 different ways. |
| 00:06.08 | Nyle | eldo |
| 00:06.12 | Nyle | wan |
| 00:06.18 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:06.19 | n3kl | If I have a slave setup with mysql, and I create a new database on the master, will the new database replicate to the slave? |
| 00:06.25 | Sebboh | fujin_: I was told to RTFM, what, you don't want me to? |
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| 00:06.38 | fujin_ | meh |
| 00:06.39 | Supaplex | n3kl: it should |
| 00:06.43 | \amethyst | fujin_: but that doesn't cover the glibc MD5 extension |
| 00:07.03 | n3kl | Supaplex: as well as dropping a db? |
| 00:07.15 | fujin_ | Sebboh: here's another present, http://rafb.net/p/F62JYQ72.html |
| 00:07.38 | Sebboh | thanks fujin_. |
| 00:07.39 | n3kl | present, hahah! |
| 00:07.43 | Supaplex | n3kl: yes |
| 00:07.50 | eldowan | karmatronic: I'm using 2.6.22 and vmware 1.0.3. The link is: http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ and look for the relevant package... |
| 00:07.52 | n3kl | Supaplex: neat. Thanks. I will do some testhing |
| 00:08.00 | Supaplex | n3kl: unless your replication is FUBAR :) |
| 00:08.23 | n3kl | Supaplex: just set it up, so I don't know how to test it. thats why I ask |
| 00:08.30 | Supaplex | n3kl: *but* there are filters you can apply to replication. eg, only replicate this/that/whatever. (iirc). check the mysql.com pages about it. |
| 00:08.55 | Supaplex | n3kl: oh, in that case it sounds like replicate all. |
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| 00:09.27 | eldowan | karmatronic: the patch that worked for me was the any-any 112 . 113 and 114 are out now, don't know about them. |
| 00:10.13 | \amethyst | fujin_: you could avoid duplicate code by using a do...while |
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| 00:10.30 | Supaplex | Sebboh: re md5 crypt? this might have more clues. tcllib: usr/share/man/man3/md5crypt.3tcl.gz |
| 00:10.32 | fujin_ | yeah, I couldn't remember if perl had do{}while. |
| 00:10.34 | fujin_ | So didn't bother. |
| 00:10.36 | Sebboh | Hmm, I like apt-file. I tested it on the string "bash", no hits.. So I was able to intuit that I might should do a apt-file update as root... sure enough, that was the appropriate command. |
| 00:11.05 | Supaplex | yea, apt-file isn't so straight forward like that at times |
| 00:11.18 | eldowan | enjoy the rest of your day/night wherever you are. I'm going home for some nice, fresh, tomato soup. |
| 00:11.37 | karmatronic | eldowan: oh i ve got the 109 here lets look for the new one... |
| 00:11.48 | freetos | how do i play non-free multimedia formats on debian? |
| 00:11.52 | fujin_ | \amethyst: that'd also require some magic for the "try again" thing. |
| 00:11.57 | fujin_ | meh, workign as is. |
| 00:11.59 | Supaplex | eldowan: when tomato soup gets fresh with you, it's time to .. nm ;) I'll stop there. |
| 00:12.11 | eldowan | Supaplex: oh please, do tell |
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| 00:12.20 | Nyle | soup |
| 00:12.20 | Supaplex | send it back :P |
| 00:12.24 | Nyle | hmmm |
| 00:12.25 | Nyle | soup |
| 00:12.40 | Nyle | ahh yes, I have some packets of soup |
| 00:12.44 | eldowan | karmatronic: the link http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/ should work. I believe I used the 13 actually. |
| 00:12.45 | Nyle | I can go make some |
| 00:12.49 | Supaplex | Nyle: dude. enough with <enter> already |
| 00:12.58 | Nyle | enter |
| 00:12.59 | Nyle | already? |
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| 00:13.06 | Supaplex | !tell Nyle -about enter |
| 00:13.11 | eldowan | !badger nyle |
| 00:13.11 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 00:13.24 | Nyle | !hit Supaplex |
| 00:13.31 | Supaplex | !depth charge Nyle |
| 00:13.40 | Nyle | thats too far out |
| 00:13.44 | Nyle | a punch in a face is all you need. |
| 00:13.50 | Nyle | kthx. |
| 00:14.01 | karmatronic | eldowan: thanx |
| 00:14.03 | eldowan | Nyle: for shame for using that bastardazation. for shame. |
| 00:14.06 | eldowan | karmatronic: did it work? |
| 00:14.07 | Supaplex | yes I like my new shiney factoid action. |
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| 00:14.20 | syamajala | anyone use wmii? |
| 00:14.28 | Nyle | Supaplex: i will hurt you |
| 00:14.31 | Supaplex | !anyone use wmii |
| 00:14.31 | dpkg | No, no one uses wmii, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:14.32 | azeem | syamajala: on debian? |
| 00:15.03 | Supaplex | Nyle: yes I feel your pain. no wait.. whatever yeah ok. |
| 00:15.30 | Sebboh | fyi, I believe that the original poster who suggested that I check out salt (3) was mistaken: no such manpage exists in any unix so far as a couple of minutes of searching could turn up. |
| 00:15.58 | syamajala | azeem: yes |
| 00:16.01 | eldowan | OK last question: Why when I change the time in KDE the screen flashes when I apply the change, and then it locks the screen. I'm assuming the screen lock is due to the timeshift.. nix that one. Why the flash? |
| 00:16.02 | Supaplex | Sebboh: didn't we establish that? |
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| 00:16.32 | karmatronic | eldowan: well i have to recompile my kernel first , cos vmware complains about different versions of gcc |
| 00:16.35 | syamajala | hmm |
| 00:16.36 | Supaplex | eldowan: vast time shifts are not exepcted in a stable unix env. |
| 00:16.44 | Supaplex | expected* |
| 00:16.46 | \amethyst | eldowan: the flash is probably the screen blanking (because of elapsed time) and unblanking (because you just moved your mouse/pressed a key) |
| 00:17.04 | Supaplex | not a bug :) |
| 00:17.13 | syamajala | azeem: well i guess it doesn't need to exactly be on debian, but my problem is that i just built wmii 20070508 but when i press alt-enter i don't get an xterm |
| 00:17.26 | eldowan | karmatronic: no you don't just make sure the correct version is installed, and ln -s gcc to the correct version temporarily. then once the install is done change back. Or you can use a flag in the vmware-config.pl to point it to the correct gcc |
| 00:17.26 | syamajala | i have xterm installed |
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| 00:17.45 | syamajala | i looked at my .wmiirc and rc.wmii they both have xterm as the term in them |
| 00:18.01 | karmatronic | eldowan: but i dont have the gcc i used to compile this kernel,so i m screwed :9 |
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| 00:18.36 | dalias | i'm trying to repair an old samba config on debian; right now, printing is causing the smbd to crash (sig11) and failing to print |
| 00:18.37 | eldowan | karmatronic: oh. I just usually install the gcc. Oh well. enjoy the recompile. I'm off to fresh soupiness. |
| 00:18.48 | eldowan | Nyle: take it easy, but |
| 00:18.53 | eldowan | s/but/bud/ |
| 00:18.57 | Nyle | hey you too |
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| 00:19.52 | syamajala | also installed dmenu but that doesn't seem to show up when i press alt-p |
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| 00:24.12 | diafic_ | sleep now |
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| 00:27.32 | karmatronic | men 2.6.21 to 2.6.23 seems to have introduced a bunch of changes.... |
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| 00:28.45 | adrien-modulis | hi |
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| 00:29.29 | karmatronic | eh eldowan ? |
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| 00:31.37 | syamajala | a weird thing seems to happen when i start wmii |
| 00:31.45 | syamajala | its like my home row keys stop working |
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| 00:32.33 | abrotman | just the home row? |
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| 00:33.47 | syamajala | hmm actually it looks like its a bunch of random keys |
| 00:33.57 | syamajala | because i started an xterm before trying to start wmii |
| 00:34.16 | syamajala | after i start wmii certain keys like t and s don't work anymore |
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| 00:34.33 | syamajala | and i'm not sure if alt is actually the mod key |
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| 00:36.36 | karmatronic | is still the ingo molnar s patch the good way to have a RT kernel ? |
| 00:37.02 | JordiGH | I have some files, named foo####.jpg where #### goes from 0000 to 0250. I want to copy them, in that exact same order, to foo****.jpg where **** goes from 0251 to 0500. What's the quickest way I can do this? |
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| 00:37.29 | cmanns | When I compile php I get the error that mysql doesnt have the client libraries or somethin, I got mysql-server mysql-client and mysql-common what else I need? |
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| 00:37.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: copy foo*.jpg path/to/destination/ |
| 00:37.46 | n00bular | like how do I disable services that startup? |
| 00:37.53 | n00bular | that I don't need. |
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| 00:37.59 | JordiGH | abrotman: The destination path is the same as the source. |
| 00:38.03 | karsten | n00bular: Uninstall them. |
| 00:38.05 | dvs | n00bular: update-rc.d |
| 00:38.16 | n00bular | update-rc.d aha! |
| 00:38.18 | n00bular | thanks |
| 00:38.23 | dvs | no prob |
| 00:38.34 | karsten | n00bular: Debian assumes if you've installed it, you want it to run. |
| 00:38.49 | dvs | karsten: that make no sense! ;-) |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | JordiGH: wtf |
| 00:39.01 | karsten | dvs: For services? |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | JordiGH: oh yes .. perl .. or bash .. have a nice day :) |
| 00:39.23 | dvs | karsten: Just kidding. |
| 00:39.24 | JordiGH | abrotman: i.e. I want foo0245.jpg to be copied to foo495.jpg and foo0246.jpg to get copied to foo0496.jpg |
| 00:39.36 | karsten | dvs: Good. |
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| 00:39.46 | karsten | dvs: I was going to have to open a can of whoop-ass on you. |
| 00:39.47 | cmanns | Oh yeah its mysql-client libraries are missing, I already have them installed by apt :S |
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| 00:42.23 | Throat | which image should one use as a rescue disk on debian? Netinstall? Something else? Doesn't matter? |
| 00:42.40 | dvs | Throat: I use Knoppix |
| 00:43.17 | Throat | dvs: so how do you make Knoppix understand something like "root=/dev/hda1"? I thought Knoppix has some kind of hacked boot options? |
| 00:43.21 | syamajala | woot! |
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| 00:43.33 | dvs | Throat: chroot |
| 00:43.34 | jmichaelx | for the last few weeks, the mplayer package has been held back during upgrades ( i am running debian testing). is there a way to fix this? aptitude, for example, wants to downgrade the package. any tips would be appreciated |
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| 00:43.48 | karsten | Throat: There's a Sid-based bootable CD as well. |
| 00:43.51 | syamajala | i checked out the lastest wmii sources with mercurial and it seems to work now |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | jmichaelx: aptitude install mplayer |
| 00:44.07 | syamajala | guess there was something wrong with the snapshot i was using |
| 00:44.09 | Throat | dvs: ? how exactly? |
| 00:44.37 | dvs | Throat: chroot /mnt/debian for example |
| 00:45.07 | jmichaelx | abrotman: ty very much. i actually thought about trying that, but then chose to ask first lol |
| 00:45.11 | dvs | Throat: I boot it, and then mount debian in the /mnt directory, then use chroot to make the /mnt directory the new root |
| 00:45.32 | Throat | karsten: does it matter at all, if the kernel boots? What happens to kernel modules? Havent done that stuff in a while and now a friend asks |
| 00:46.03 | karsten | Throat: Sidux FYI: http://www.sidux.com/ |
| 00:46.10 | jmichaelx | abrotman: ok, when i enter aptitude install mplayer, it also wants to downgrade mplayer. is that what i should do? |
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| 00:46.21 | Throat | dvs: ok... I thought booting the original system would be easier for someone who's not so used to troubleshooting... chroot can produce more... strangeness (I thought) |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | jmichaelx: depends which version it wants to go to i suppose |
| 00:46.48 | karsten | Throat: ?? |
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| 00:47.02 | dvs | Throat: most of the time I do a boot that way is to fix the master boot record of my system. |
| 00:47.34 | dvs | Throat: or maybe to do a chkdsk (which doesn't require chroot) |
| 00:47.57 | Throat | karsten: I meant... you probably cannot load kernel modules after booting, because they're only in the initramfs, not in your installation, if you use root=/dev/hdaX |
| 00:48.03 | jmichaelx | abrotman: hmm. well, i have been having no problems. maybe i should just leave it like this and not be concerned about the situation with mplayer |
| 00:48.07 | karsten | Throat: You can pass any boot params you want within reason to the Knoppix kernel. The line is limited either by total length or by number fo arguments, and it's not *that* high. You'll be booting Knoppix's own kernel pretty much every time. |
| 00:48.17 | karsten | Throat: Yeah, you'd have to copy them off the CD. |
| 00:48.29 | Throat | well, ok, ths karsten and dvs |
| 00:48.35 | dvs | np |
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| 00:49.25 | abrotman | jmichaelx: if it works .. i suppose |
| 00:50.03 | sayers | How do I get my apache2 server to not go to /var/www/apachedefualt and instead go to /var/www |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | sayers: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 00:52.20 | sayers | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 00:55.47 | haggz | is it safe to leave CPU capped at 100% usage for extended (50+ hours) periods of time on a cheap x86 box? Just signed up for BOINC einstein@home distributed computing project, and clearly this pulsar search like cpu cycles. |
| 00:56.11 | \amethyst | haggz: as long as your cooling is okay it should be fine |
| 00:56.36 | karmatronic | haggz: well i left my box running at 100% CPU for more than 3 week day and night , and it s still there |
| 00:57.02 | haggz | all right! I'll thank all you guys when I win Nobel prize for 1st detection of gravity waves on my box |
| 00:58.03 | erkl | lol |
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| 01:02.27 | sayers | One year ago when you ticked desktop environment was it kde or gnome, I'm writing a paper about when I started with linux and not quite sure, I believe it was kde yes? |
| 01:02.49 | karsten | sayers: Depends on the distro and teh timeframe. |
| 01:03.02 | sayers | This is debian and I said one year ago :) |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | it depends |
| 01:03.15 | karmatronic | sayers: probably gnome |
| 01:03.19 | sayers | Alright |
| 01:03.19 | karsten | sayers: I believe Debian's defaulted to GNOME for desktop for several years. |
| 01:03.31 | dondelelcaro | we've never defaulted to kde |
| 01:03.36 | sayers | I aalways remember starting with kde for some reason but I'll write gnome |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | if you use the CD1-kde |
| 01:03.53 | karsten | sayers: Not sure when the desktop task actually got included. It may previously have been wmaker, but that is probably 2002 or earlier. |
| 01:04.38 | sayers | Im gonna write kde, It's what I remember |
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| 01:05.09 | abrotman | sayers: it was likely not |
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| 01:05.28 | karsten | sayers: You can find historical Debian release info at http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 01:05.29 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I think it's defaulted to gnome since at least '99 |
| 01:05.33 | blahblahx | hey guys |
| 01:05.43 | karsten | sayers: ...and your memory is wrong per my memory. |
| 01:05.45 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I know the whole issue predated the libqt thing, at least |
| 01:05.56 | blahblahx | ive been using *buntus and other stuff, getting comfortable with linux but i want to learn more |
| 01:06.05 | blahblahx | i tried arch linux, but its way over my head |
| 01:06.19 | blahblahx | do u think debian will help me make the next step? |
| 01:06.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I started w/ Debian in '99, had started using wmaker about '97, Linux in spring, 1997 w/ RH 4.2 |
| 01:06.20 | karmatronic | blahblahx: oh archlinux is easy |
| 01:06.25 | karsten | And that was fvwm |
| 01:06.29 | karsten | Pre-fvwm2. |
| 01:06.45 | snacky | karsten: did you use afterstep or bowman? |
| 01:06.50 | karsten | blahblahx: No idea. Read the install guide, install it, and find out. |
| 01:06.54 | fignew | karmatronic: yea, until pacman breaks |
| 01:07.00 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, could be. That period of history has really blured together for me |
| 01:07.05 | blahblahx | aaaah thats what they said on the arch irc but its been 4 hrs and i still dont have xfce working after i followed the wiki and the irc channekl |
| 01:07.08 | karsten | snacky: Nope. Looked at Afterstep, thought it was cruftier than wmaker. |
| 01:07.18 | snacky | karsten: it certainly is |
| 01:07.23 | tarzeau | karsten: and nowadays? |
| 01:07.40 | karmatronic | blahblahx: simple as pacman -S xfce4 |
| 01:07.52 | karsten | snacky: It was based off of fvwm, basically a theme on it. |
| 01:08.06 | blahblahx | yeah but first i had to extensively install and configure xorg |
| 01:08.15 | blahblahx | cuz there was no working metapackage |
| 01:08.21 | snacky | karsten: yes, I started using bowman around 1996, and for extra irony value I usually ran it on NeXTSTEP |
| 01:08.29 | blahblahx | and even be4 that was the internet |
| 01:08.34 | karsten | snacky: Heh. WTF is bowman? |
| 01:08.40 | karmatronic | blahblahx: yeah they only have xorgconfig , that s a shame |
| 01:08.41 | blahblahx | and im just using a generic ethernet wired connection |
| 01:08.44 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Weren't you still in HS back then? |
| 01:09.02 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I graduated from HS in 97 |
| 01:09.05 | blahblahx | and now that ive installed xfce4 its spitting out font errors |
| 01:09.09 | snacky | karsten: bowman is, as you say, a sort of theme on fvwm + tkgoodstuff, that looks like NeXTSTEP (but doesn't work anything like it) |
| 01:09.21 | snacky | bowman is the direct ancestor of afterstep |
| 01:09.22 | karsten | snacky: Ah: bowman was afterstep's predescessor. |
| 01:09.29 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You infan.t |
| 01:09.45 | abrotman | argh .. i'm older than dondelelcaro |
| 01:09.53 | karsten | abrotman: Not mentally. |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | karsten: thank god .. |
| 01:10.07 | karsten | abrotman: You're welcome. |
| 01:10.17 | blahblahx | well im off |
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| 01:10.38 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Class of '86 here. |
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| 01:10.57 | margiolas | hello i want to install debian on raid 0 hard disks |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | is there more ? |
| 01:11.55 | syamajala | i've decided to upgrade to lenny |
| 01:12.02 | karmatronic | syamajala: good idea |
| 01:12.35 | karsten | margiolas: HW or SW RAID? In general, do an install. GRUB and the Linux kernel can handle RAID0 or RAID1 natively, IIRC, using SW RAID. For HW RAID, it's not a problem. |
| 01:12.57 | karsten | margiolas: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
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| 01:15.36 | syamajala | i'm pretty impressed with apt so far |
| 01:16.15 | syamajala | i went from sarge to etch and now to lenny |
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| 01:16.29 | kgoetz | syamajala: and you only just got impressed? :) |
| 01:16.39 | syamajala | the only other distro that i know of that can do upgrades this will is arch |
| 01:17.04 | syamajala | i went from running a 2.4 kernel with that distro to bleeding stuff without any problems |
| 01:17.43 | syamajala | bleeding edge* |
| 01:18.35 | karsten | syamajala: I preferred the first version. |
| 01:19.07 | syamajala | heh |
| 01:19.29 | karsten | syamajala: You've been added to my quote file. |
| 01:19.52 | kgoetz | lol |
| 01:19.58 | syamajala | the one thing that sets debian apart from arch is debootstrap |
| 01:20.28 | bzed | syamajala: I doubt that arch's package manager is as mighty as dpkg - but I don't know :) |
| 01:20.41 | bzed | gcc -v |
| 01:20.55 | gcc | GCC Version Infinity |
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| 01:20.57 | syamajala | arch packages are just gzipped tarballs, so you can basically build a system from any distro, but its kind of a pain sometimes |
| 01:21.04 | gcc | Created by Awesome Everything |
| 01:21.14 | bzed | :D |
| 01:21.25 | gcc | Last Modified: Tomorrow |
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| 01:21.51 | bzed | syamajala: how does it resolv dependencies when that package is packaged? |
| 01:22.02 | syamajala | pacman |
| 01:22.28 | syamajala | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman |
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| 01:27.20 | karsten | syamajala: The idea of a bootstrapping installer has been extended to yum, though it's not always cross-version compatible. I've seen it done w/ Fedora / CentOS though. |
| 01:27.46 | syamajala | i hate fedora |
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| 01:28.10 | syamajala | their idea of a minimal install is too big |
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| 01:29.21 | margiolas | karsten: i prefer hw |
| 01:29.56 | fas3r | what user run cron ? it's root or other ? |
| 01:30.07 | tarzeau | fas3r: any |
| 01:30.17 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: cron runs as root, but it su's to other users when running their cronjobs |
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| 01:30.26 | fas3r | hum oki |
| 01:30.50 | fas3r | i need to execute script with root right every 5 minutes have you solution ? |
| 01:31.02 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: use /etc/crontab or root's crontab. |
| 01:31.13 | fas3r | crontab -e ? |
| 01:31.32 | karsten | margiolas: In which case, set up your HW RAID and just do an install. So long as you're using a *real* RAID controller (and not some crap Nvidia or similar psuedo SATA Windows RAID controller) you're going to be fine. |
| 01:31.36 | karsten | margiolas: What's the controller. |
| 01:31.37 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: if you're root, that'll be root's crontab. man 5 crontab; man crontab; |
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| 01:31.59 | fas3r | yes i'm root |
| 01:32.02 | fas3r | ok |
| 01:32.09 | fignew | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. |
| 01:32.13 | karsten | fas3r: cron runs as root. Individual cronjobs are run by the owner of the cronfile (for user cronjobs), or as the specified user (/etc/crontab & /etc/cron.d/). |
| 01:32.17 | fignew | How can I tell what's causing the segfault? |
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| 01:32.41 | karmatronic | can the lack of inotify prevent a kernel to boot ? |
| 01:32.44 | karsten | fignew: What command were you running? |
| 01:32.58 | Sebboh | fujin_: question, if you're still around, or if anyone else wants to answer. I have an RDBMS that provides a md5('foo'). The output from that is the same as the output from echo -n foo | md5sum ... So, can I make a password scheme that stores the hashes in the DB, and does a hash on the client end (javascript in that case) and then does a simple comparison of the hashes? How bad is it if |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | fignew: which package were you installing ? |
| 01:33.05 | Sebboh | ..if Eve gets those hashes? |
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| 01:33.09 | fignew | apt-get -f install, trying to install libdb1-compat |
| 01:33.30 | fignew | it's actually a sparc32 woody box that I was trying to dist-upgrade |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | woody to what ? |
| 01:34.06 | fignew | Sarge |
| 01:34.22 | fignew | The problem if I'm not mistaken is the 2.2 kernel |
| 01:34.48 | Sebboh | fujin_: also, why doesn't that md5() require me to pass in a salt? Same for md5sum on my debian box.. How do they reach the same result if I didn't specify a salt? ..Does it work differently? |
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| 01:38.19 | karsten | Sebboh: salts are associated with the crypt() password hash, not md5 itself |
| 01:38.46 | karsten | Sebboh: man crypt(3) |
| 01:38.53 | bzed | fignew: if I remember right 2.2 was not supposrted in sparc anymore |
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| 01:39.51 | Sebboh | karsten: so is the password checking scheme I described above missing something? I don't think I want to use the default crypt functions because I've read that only the first 8 chars go into the hash... |
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| 01:40.30 | karmatronic | initramfs conflicts with udev ? |
| 01:40.43 | fignew | bzed: yea... Well, I guess I have no choice but to reinstall & install 2.4 before upgrading (the more recent installer CDs don't work) |
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| 01:41.23 | karsten | Sebboh: There's the crypt hashing algorithm itself, the crypt(3) function, and md5, which are three different things. |
| 01:41.40 | syamajala | so are there any kernel patchsets like -beyond |
| 01:41.42 | karsten | Sebboh: crypt(3) and salt are *specific* to the Unix / Linux /etc/passwd (or /etc/shadow) file. |
| 01:41.55 | karsten | Sebboh: Your database password very likely isn't salted at all. |
| 01:42.16 | bzed | karsten: postgres uses salts with md5, too, if I remember right |
| 01:42.21 | karsten | Sebboh: You'll have to refer to the documentation for the database or application itself to understand what its security options are. |
| 01:42.32 | karsten | bzed: Point being: that's going to be application specific. |
| 01:42.34 | bzed | fignew: hmm, you should be able to isntall the kernel with apt-get and upgrade |
| 01:42.58 | bzed | karsten: right. |
| 01:43.52 | bzed | fignew: and etch is the last debian with sparc32 support, although it seems there're some people working on inofficial support |
| 01:44.09 | fignew | ARGH! |
| 01:44.14 | p_masho | HELP ! can anyone help - getting all these errors and dont know not to stop my machine "locking up" all the time http://pastebin.mozilla.org/229917 |
| 01:44.23 | bzed | fignew: 2.6 seems to be way too broken, and is missing support by upstream |
| 01:44.34 | fignew | what else should I run on my 40mhz sparc! |
| 01:44.46 | fignew | :( |
| 01:44.48 | tarzeau | fignew: OPENSTEP |
| 01:44.54 | karsten | fignew: wumpus! |
| 01:45.05 | fas3r | karsten: ok |
| 01:45.45 | bzed | p_masho: is that a network card using the forcedeph module? |
| 01:45.54 | fas3r | it don't work i don't understand i have i't root need to exectute the script but i doesn't execute openssl .../) |
| 01:46.13 | fignew | lol, I guess now'll be a good time to learn NetBSD :/ |
| 01:46.22 | tarzeau | fignew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep |
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| 01:46.53 | fignew | tarzeau: It's a server :/ |
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| 01:47.00 | tarzeau | fignew: yes? so? |
| 01:47.08 | tarzeau | fignew: with openstep you can run a netinfo server |
| 01:47.16 | p_masho | bzed - no idea .. out of my depth here .. |
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| 01:47.24 | fignew | lol |
| 01:47.28 | bzed | p_masho: lspci | grep -i ether |
| 01:47.54 | Colt7r | find / -name index.* -exec rm -rf {} \; |
| 01:47.58 | tarzeau | distributed, scalable, well performing directory services |
| 01:48.08 | p_masho | system is reebooting.. it a 1and1 server (root) and upgraded to debian 4+.. |
| 01:48.53 | drc | what's a 1and1 server? :o |
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| 01:49.32 | karsten | drc: They're a major hosting provider in Germany. |
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| 01:50.03 | Colt7r | o.O |
| 01:50.11 | Bushmills | only resellers |
| 01:50.15 | karsten | drc: 1and1.com, 1und1.com. "Eins-und-Eins" |
| 01:50.31 | drc | okay :) |
| 01:50.40 | wols_ | Bushmills: they have their own datacenter |
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| 01:50.47 | fignew | tarzeau: If you say so ;) |
| 01:51.04 | Bushmills | wols_, schlund&partner seems to run the server farms |
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| 01:52.25 | wols_ | Bushmills: different name, same company |
| 01:53.10 | wols_ | 1and1 is actually United Internet AG |
| 01:53.22 | Bushmills | wols_, different name, different technical expertise too :) |
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| 01:54.01 | JoseLuis | Hello |
| 01:54.26 | wols_ | schlund&partner doesn't exist anymore. they've been bought a few years ago and stopped selling under their own brand since january 2007 |
| 01:54.29 | JoseLuis | is anybody here? |
| 01:54.41 | JoseLuis | yes. there are ppl here |
| 01:54.43 | tarzeau | hah jobs and steve, best friends? http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Images/Magazine_Covers/fortune.gif |
| 01:55.14 | Sebboh | They were buddies a few hundred billion dollars ago. |
| 01:55.17 | JoseLuis | Im looking for help with Ati drivers, is this the right channel? or does anybody know the right channel for qestions |
| 01:55.33 | wols_ | JoseLuis: never ask to ask |
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| 01:56.37 | JoseLuis | wols: sorry wols I didnt get what u said ;) |
| 01:56.37 | Sebboh | JoseLuis: the earliest possible time you might have had your question answer was 20:53 CST. It is currently 20:55 CST. |
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| 01:57.09 | Sebboh | JoseLuis: just go ahead and ask your question about ati. |
| 01:57.11 | Sebboh | ;) |
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| 01:57.24 | Bushmills | "is asking 'is this a metaquestion?' a metaquestion?" |
| 01:57.49 | JoseLuis | Sebboh: just wondering, if somebody has installed that without issues on Etch 64, its my 1st time on IRC chat |
| 01:58.17 | karsten | Bushmills: "My question would be, 'is answering the question' answering the question?" |
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| 01:58.19 | ben_goodger | Bushmills: yes, but that question was also a metaquestion :) |
| 01:58.30 | wols_ | if you have an actual problem with the ati drivers in your debian: ask about it. don't just take random stupid polls |
| 01:58.58 | JoseLuis | ohh ya, I see,. just straight forward |
| 01:59.17 | JoseLuis | this si what I am getting. |
| 01:59.17 | JoseLuis | 1. Rode o regedit |
| 01:59.18 | JoseLuis | 2. Vá para HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager |
| 01:59.18 | JoseLuis | 3. Altere o conteúdo de BootExecute de autocheck autochk * para autocheck autochk /* |
| 01:59.18 | JoseLuis | 4. Feche o regedit e reinicie o Window |
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| 01:59.47 | Sebboh | so JoseLuis, I assume that YOU had installation issues? What was the error message? By the way.. don't paste into the channel. Use something like http://pastebin.ca |
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| 01:59.58 | Bushmills | lol |
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| 02:00.15 | wols_ | LuisJose: we don't support windows |
| 02:00.16 | Sebboh | so JoseLuis, I assume that YOU had installation issues? What was the error message? By the way.. don't paste into the channel. Use something like http://pastebin.ca |
| 02:00.24 | LuisJose | #flood 1. Rode o regedit |
| 02:00.24 | LuisJose | 2. Vá para HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager |
| 02:00.24 | LuisJose | 3. Altere o conteúdo de BootExecute de autocheck autochk * para autocheck autochk /* |
| 02:00.24 | LuisJose | 4. Feche o regedit e reinicie o Window |
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| 02:00.35 | jelly-home | ... |
| 02:00.36 | abrotman | this could take awhile |
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| 02:00.49 | Sebboh | anyway I'm afk. :/ |
| 02:00.50 | wols_ | Sebboh: tell me where you find HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager on your debian please |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | wols_: wine! |
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| 02:01.15 | jelly-home | !wine abrotman |
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| 02:01.19 | wols_ | I suspect Gnome has probably such a "Path" somewhere |
| 02:01.20 | Sebboh | wols_ I was giving him general tips about how to get help, not paying attention to what the heck his problem is. :) |
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| 02:01.28 | wols_ | !tell LuisJose about paste |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | LuisJose: do NOT paste again |
| 02:01.29 | LuisJose | jejeje, sorry last time si the right one |
| 02:01.36 | LuisJose | yep I saw that |
| 02:01.40 | Overflo1 | yay i got meself back the system |
| 02:01.49 | wols_ | and especially: ask about debian things, not windows |
| 02:01.59 | Overflo1 | i love you DEBI (an) |
| 02:02.16 | LuisJose | cp: cannot start "./usr/X1186/lib/modules/dri": no such fiel or direcotry |
| 02:02.18 | Sebboh | I wonder if Debbie is cute. |
| 02:02.28 | wols_ | LuisJose: we don't support the ati installer |
| 02:02.30 | Overflo1 | lol ;) |
| 02:02.40 | LuisJose | oh, ok wols |
| 02:03.09 | wols_ | !tell LuisJose about ati |
| 02:03.18 | wols_ | !tell LuisJose about fglrx one-liner |
| 02:03.19 | ben_goodger | LuisJose: particularly since X1186 hasn't been in mainstream use for, oh, four years |
| 02:03.27 | ben_goodger | ish |
| 02:03.31 | ben_goodger | afaik |
| 02:03.34 | tct | is there a specific debian based distro designed for PXE booting? |
| 02:03.38 | ben_goodger | *statutory disclaimer* |
| 02:03.39 | LuisJose | well, I'm not experienced on linux that much, specially debian |
| 02:03.45 | LuisJose | got it running 1 month ago, |
| 02:03.50 | wols_ | tct: we don't know about "debian based" |
| 02:03.56 | Overflo1 | i messed up my debian earlier today, after making dual boot, grub was removed from mbr and all hd# has changed |
| 02:04.00 | LuisJose | n I was trying to gte the compiz fusion thing working, but again., ati seems a pain in my head |
| 02:04.01 | gravity | X1186? |
| 02:04.04 | dalias | sebboh, oh? |
| 02:04.14 | dalias | we could make.. |
| 02:04.23 | dalias | "debian does dalias" =) |
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| 02:04.40 | Overflo1 | now all a-ok |
| 02:04.52 | graytron | its almost scary how much wols knows about us |
| 02:04.54 | Sebboh | dalias: not without the right volunteers! |
| 02:04.57 | aeshyamae | anyone here using gnome2.20 in gnewsense? |
| 02:05.14 | wols_ | !anyone use gnome2.20 in gnewsense |
| 02:05.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses gnome2.20 in gnewsense, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:05.25 | gravity | This is entirely the wrong channel for gnewsense help |
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| 02:05.45 | Sebboh | dalias: I just realized that you said 'dalias', not 'Dallas'. Cute. ;) |
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| 02:05.54 | dalias | sebboh, :) |
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| 02:06.04 | ameyer | #ubuntu's probably not even the right channel for gNuisance help... |
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| 02:06.21 | ben_goodger | indeed |
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| 02:06.29 | gravity | I'm sure they have their own channel |
| 02:06.35 | jelly-home | !gnewsense |
| 02:06.36 | foonux | Hello all I'm interested in booting an iso from usb and I've got my pc to boot from the usb-stick via extlinux and syslinux, but I'm getting a kernel-module mismatch error. |
| 02:06.45 | ameyer | I think that Gobuntu may have obsoleted gnuisancee anyway |
| 02:07.10 | ben_goodger | I damn well hope not |
| 02:07.10 | foonux | I'm thinking this has to do with a later kernel version on the iso than the one provided with the initrd.gz from hd-media. |
| 02:07.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:08.18 | ameyer | well, gobuntu is ubuntu without the non-free crap |
| 02:08.23 | ben_goodger | foonux: I had the same problem recently |
| 02:08.30 | foonux | Anyone familar with a method to modify the initrd I'm using from hd-media so that I can correct the mismatch? |
| 02:08.43 | ameyer | which is 99% of the difference between ubuntu and gnewsense |
| 02:08.46 | ben_goodger | foonux: the solution was to go into my parents' office and use their computer |
| 02:08.51 | foonux | ben: Really? Which iso were you trying to boot? |
| 02:08.55 | foonux | lol |
| 02:09.00 | dalias | what is all this nonfree crap in ubuntu? anything other than the stupid nvidia drivers and whatnot? |
| 02:09.04 | ben_goodger | to burn the ISO to a cd, I'm afraid |
| 02:09.16 | ben_goodger | foonux: it was the one in the most recent debian installer package |
| 02:09.17 | dalias | imo someone not wanting nonfree crap could just omit those drivrs without forking the whole dist |
| 02:09.21 | ben_goodger | I forget |
| 02:09.24 | ameyer | (the other 1% is the artwork, but the crap about non-free art is lame) |
| 02:09.35 | foonux | Well my dvd burner crapped on me and I can borrow one tomorrow, but I was hoping to resolve this. |
| 02:09.40 | ben_goodger | I thought gnewsense was a debian deriv? |
| 02:09.45 | foonux | I'm invested in this now. ;) |
| 02:09.51 | ameyer | dalias: and their restricted and multiverse repos |
| 02:09.58 | dalias | ameyer, ..? |
| 02:10.14 | Xenguy | ben_goodger: ubuntu deriv AFAIK |
| 02:10.14 | dalias | what are those? can't they just be omitted? |
| 02:10.21 | ben_goodger | Xenguy: ah, that explains it |
| 02:10.24 | dalias | sorry i never used ubuntu so i don't know about their lameness |
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| 02:10.34 | aeshyamae | k guys thanks..... |
| 02:10.35 | foonux | I believe that one is using a 2.6.20 kernel whereas the one on the iso I'm trying to boot is a 2.6.22 series one. |
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| 02:10.45 | ameyer | dalias: that stuff would countt as non-free crap, and yes, it would be reasonably easy to omit multiverse |
| 02:10.48 | Spiritus55 | The flash player on my iceweasel is broken.. what can I do to fix it? I'm sure there's a package out there that'll fix it.. anyone know? |
| 02:10.51 | ben_goodger | foonux: ah |
| 02:10.59 | foonux | Can't seem to find any tutorials out there related to this particular problem. |
| 02:11.05 | ameyer | I think restricted might be a bit tougher |
| 02:11.14 | dalias | ameyer, what is it? |
| 02:11.21 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree and restart iceweasel (etch i386, lenny i386/amd64) |
| 02:11.33 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, thanks I'll try.. |
| 02:11.49 | ameyer | dalias: AIUI, restricted is the supported non-free crap and is used by default, i think |
| 02:12.02 | foonux | Ideally, I would like to find my 4GB usb-stick and configure it to boot from a number of iso including dsl via grub. |
| 02:12.03 | jmichaelx | retricted includes a lot of stuff like wifi drivers, etc, like madwifi and so on |
| 02:12.22 | jmichaelx | and a lot of other non-free drivers |
| 02:12.34 | ben_goodger | the official thing is "packages under restrictive licenses included for the sake of usability" |
| 02:12.43 | ben_goodger | I vaguely remember that from 2005 |
| 02:12.48 | ameyer | it'd likely require a special installer image to exclude restricted |
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| 02:13.21 | ben_goodger | foonux: I suggest you use etch then. the current debian-installer build farm is a tad messed up and keeps churning out gibberish, as far as I can tell... |
| 02:13.22 | dalias | seems like stuff most people shouldn't need... |
| 02:13.27 | jmichaelx | ameyer: i think that is true... you would need the 'alternate installation' images |
| 02:13.49 | ameyer | actually, another difference between *buntu and gnewsense is that universe is enabled by default on gnewsense |
| 02:14.01 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, apparently I already have it installed.. |
| 02:14.13 | ben_goodger | ameyer: it's enabled by default in goatse also |
| 02:14.21 | ameyer | although I think recent *buntu versions enable it by default anyway |
| 02:14.24 | ameyer | o_O |
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| 02:14.30 | ameyer | ben_goodger: "goatse"? |
| 02:14.33 | kgoetz | lol |
| 02:14.35 | kgoetz | gold |
| 02:14.36 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: pastebin the result of /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 02:14.46 | ben_goodger | whoopsie, my bitterness filter failed |
| 02:14.49 | ben_goodger | ahem. |
| 02:14.52 | ben_goodger | GUTSY. |
| 02:14.54 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, you mean.. "ls" |
| 02:14.57 | kgoetz | ben_goodger: :) |
| 02:15.05 | ameyer | (yes I know what that is, but I fail to see how it fits into the line) |
| 02:15.09 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: er, yes, I'm sure I typed that |
| 02:15.12 | ameyer | ahh, that makes sense now |
| 02:15.13 | ben_goodger | :) |
| 02:15.24 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, kk |
| 02:15.32 | jmichaelx | i use kubuntu on my laptop just because everything works out of the box... and i use debian and slack on my desktops |
| 02:15.42 | foonux | ben_goodger: I'm running etch right now, but I was hoping to try using Ubuntustudio on another partition to edit a documentary some friends and I made recently. |
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| 02:16.02 | ameyer | actually, I don't think the "alternate" installer supports installs without restricted |
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| 02:16.23 | ameyer | but I'm sorry for this whole offtopic excursion |
| 02:16.41 | ben_goodger | it does not, afaik |
| 02:16.42 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, http://pastebin.com/d553fc274 |
| 02:16.42 | kgoetz | ameyer: it does in theory, but not inpractice. |
| 02:16.43 | jmichaelx | ameyer: hmm, that may be so, otherwise there would possibly have been no need for gobuntu?? |
| 02:16.53 | ameyer | right |
| 02:17.17 | dalias | seems ubuntu should just make an option in their installer to omit the unwanted crap |
| 02:17.25 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: seems decidedly odd. are you getting a "please install additional plugins" error? |
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| 02:17.39 | ameyer | actually, fwiw, I think nvidia and fglrx are in "multiverse" since there's a minimally functional alternative |
| 02:17.50 | ben_goodger | dalias: nevar! how can we draw attention to the stooge distro without giving it a separate name?!!! there's marketshare at stake here |
| 02:18.02 | ben_goodger | ameyer: correct |
| 02:18.03 | dalias | then wtf is in restricted?? |
| 02:18.06 | kgoetz | dalias: 'to complicated' |
| 02:18.06 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, when I try? apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 02:18.09 | ameyer | althouugh nv sucked badly last time I used it |
| 02:18.20 | ameyer | dalias: wifi drivers and stuff |
| 02:18.21 | dalias | nv works great |
| 02:18.25 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: no, when you visit a page with flash content |
| 02:18.40 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, it says "Either you have javascript off, or you don't have the latest flashplayer installed. |
| 02:18.40 | Spiritus55 | " |
| 02:18.52 | ben_goodger | stupid question: |
| 02:18.58 | ameyer | dalias: this was... Fedora Core 3 or something, the 2d performance was god-awful |
| 02:18.59 | ben_goodger | do you, in fact, have javascript turned on? |
| 02:19.08 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, I had it fixed.. because it was doing it to me before, but when I updated my kernel, it started again. |
| 02:19.13 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, no, I don't. |
| 02:19.14 | ben_goodger | ameyer: the 2d performance is still god-awful |
| 02:19.22 | dalias | seems fine to me.. |
| 02:19.29 | ameyer | like, barely approaching usable |
| 02:19.36 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: perhaps you could turn javascript back on to humour me |
| 02:19.54 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, no! I meant, it's not turned off.. |
| 02:20.01 | ameyer | "ati" on my ancient laptop does well enough unless I want to use DRI |
| 02:20.03 | ben_goodger | aha |
| 02:20.07 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, sorry.. I meant it was on |
| 02:20.32 | ameyer | (I think "ati" is the free driver for ATI graphics cards/chips) |
| 02:20.37 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: again, do you get the yellow bar at the top where iceweasel is complaining about the lack of plugin? |
| 02:20.43 | ben_goodger | ameyer: correct once more |
| 02:20.59 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, nope, I sure don't. I know what you mean to, but I'm not getting that error.. |
| 02:21.00 | ben_goodger | fglrx is the proprietary kerjigger (wonderful word, that) |
| 02:21.15 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: ok... |
| 02:21.18 | ameyer | although my expectations are low, i mean it's a 7 year old laptop |
| 02:21.20 | jmichaelx | 'radeon' has really improved in the last few years, imho. i have 2 machines using radeon 9000's, and 2d & 3d both work very well with the OS drivers |
| 02:21.22 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, it's doing it on youtube.. and myspace, mostly anything that has a flash something embedded.. |
| 02:21.25 | ben_goodger | try creating a new profile |
| 02:21.35 | ameyer | and the model's more like 8 years old |
| 02:21.40 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: please rephrase that |
| 02:22.14 | ameyer | I'm guessing flash isn't installed, or it's noscript gone wild |
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| 02:22.16 | ben_goodger | ameyer: it seems that pre-9600 radeons work very well |
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| 02:22.34 | ameyer | I don't think this is even a radeon |
| 02:22.36 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, anything partaining to flash says "Either you have javascript turned off..." |
| 02:22.41 | ameyer | mach64-based |
| 02:22.50 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, such as the adds that require you to "launch the fat kid" |
| 02:23.18 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: what about the adobe's own test page (flash.com)? |
| 02:23.37 | jmichaelx | the new OSed amd/ati drivers are supposedly going to improve mach-64 performance... same for some other really old ati cards |
| 02:23.38 | Spiritus55 | jelly-home, um.. haven't tried, but I'm guessing the same errors.. |
| 02:23.43 | ameyer | sorry, that'd be rage64, I think, X complains that it can't load the mach64 kernl module |
| 02:24.20 | ameyer | and I can't be bothered to fix it, to be honest, it only breaks DRI |
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| 02:24.51 | ameyer | although it'd be awesome to run Compiz on this... |
| 02:24.53 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: don't guess. Also, flash doesn't depend on javascript, it's just that youtube depends on both. |
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| 02:25.23 | Spiritus55 | jelly-home, well, it's giving me the same thing.. and it takes me to the same page: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash |
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| 02:25.56 | Spiritus55 | And when I try and install it, it only installs it locally, and does nothing.. and yes, I have my browser turned off when I install. |
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| 02:26.48 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: ok... try clearing your ~/.mozilla/plugins directory of flash-related stuff and then create a fresh iceweasel profile; this could clear it up. do you have any extensions? |
| 02:26.58 | wols_ | Spiritus55: how did you install the flah plugin? |
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| 02:27.30 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, yeah, a few. |
| 02:27.49 | Spiritus55 | wols_, I ran ./flashplugin-installer and followed the instructions.. |
| 02:28.21 | wols_ | Spiritus55: then ask adobe not us. we only support debian software |
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| 02:29.18 | Spiritus55 | wols_, is there actually an adobe channel? |
| 02:29.46 | wols_ | I don't know and don't care |
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| 02:30.24 | Spiritus55 | wols_, what a positive attitude |
| 02:30.38 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: what wols is trying to say is what I said earlier, i.e. "please remove the adobe shizzle from your ~/.mozilla/plugins directory and try again" |
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| 02:31.15 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, alright, I'll try. |
| 02:31.35 | ben_goodger | (though admittedly wols could have phrased it better) |
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| 02:42.42 | karmatronic | there again |
| 02:43.18 | ben_goodger | I believe you mean "here" |
| 02:43.33 | karmatronic | ben_goodger: yes |
| 02:43.40 | ben_goodger | quite so |
| 02:43.44 | karmatronic | kernel compilation went bad |
| 02:43.48 | ben_goodger | :( |
| 02:43.52 | ben_goodger | it often does. |
| 02:43.54 | karmatronic | didnt happen to me since 2 years |
| 02:43.58 | karmatronic | eheh |
| 02:44.01 | infinity0 | where do i put init scripts? i need to run something on every startup |
| 02:44.23 | karmatronic | infinity0: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 02:44.46 | infinity0 | karmatronic: aha, ty :) |
| 02:45.33 | bzed | p_masho: which kind of system is it? |
| 02:45.41 | jelly-home | um, bootmisc.sh already exists and does something |
| 02:46.14 | jelly-home | !rc.local |
| 02:46.14 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 02:46.40 | infinity0 | hmm |
| 02:46.43 | infinity0 | !init.d |
| 02:46.43 | dpkg | i guess init.d is ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local> |
| 02:47.02 | infinity0 | !bootmisc |
| 02:47.02 | dpkg | hmm... bootmisc is where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, or ask about <rc.local> |
| 02:47.23 | infinity0 | i need it to run on bash not sh though :| gah |
| 02:47.27 | infinity0 | basically this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DealWithAutoSpinDownOnSeagateFreeAgent |
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| 02:48.51 | jelly-home | infinity0: there are several obsoletish places to put at-boot stuff, /etc/rc.local is one. /etc/rc.boot/ directory yet another, and creating a proper init script is supposed to be the cleanest way |
| 02:49.05 | eldowan | aptitude upgrade and dist-upgrade both show that I cannot upgrade, dist-upgrade gives a long list of unmet dependencies. I haven't upgraded since well before lenny went stable. Where should I start? |
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| 02:49.38 | bzed | !tell infinity0 about selftell |
| 02:49.58 | infinity0 | kk |
| 02:50.25 | jelly-home | eldowan: you mean before etch went stable? |
| 02:50.40 | bzed | infinity0: bash and sh don't make a big difference, most scripts work on sh, too, or are very easy to convert |
| 02:50.42 | infinity0 | jelly-home: "proper init script" does that just mean creating a script in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 02:50.51 | eldowan | jelly-home: gah! yes, indeed I do |
| 02:51.04 | infinity0 | bzed: according to that link the wildcard matching on paths doesn't work in sh |
| 02:51.39 | jelly-home | infinity0: also, it having to accept certain arguments and configuring to actually run it using invoke-rc.d |
| 02:52.08 | bzed | infinity0: for i in /sys/block/sda/device/scsi_disk*/allow_restart; do echo 1 > $i; done |
| 02:52.15 | bzed | infinity0: that should work on sh |
| 02:52.22 | infinity0 | bzed: ahh ok thanks |
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| 02:54.59 | jelly-home | eldowan: what release do you have in sources.list, testing? I'd put etch there first, upgradte to that, then worry about current testing |
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| 02:55.29 | flyinprogramer | so, my server is setup for port 443 to work with ssl and https... is there away i could change that port number though?? |
| 02:55.50 | tabris|away | you _can_ but why do you want to? |
| 02:55.51 | wiebel | hi, is there a way to sudo redirection (">") ? |
| 02:56.01 | flyinprogramer | my isp block 443, and i was hoping that i could change the port |
| 02:56.07 | flyinprogramer | *blocks |
| 02:56.08 | tabris|away | wiebel: sudo bash -c "foo > bar" |
| 02:56.15 | dalias | yeah you can change it |
| 02:56.29 | jelly-home | gee, I wonder why they block it. |
| 02:56.33 | wiebel | ahh, that's great thx tabris|away |
| 02:56.43 | eldowan | jelly-home: now I feel quite the idoit :D I just looked and I only had etch setup, I never changed to testing in the first place. |
| 02:57.24 | flyinprogramer | i changed it in ports.conf and sites-ava/default for 4433 to be listened on and 4433 virtual host |
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| 02:57.50 | flyinprogramer | but it seems like somewhere in ssl i need to change it too because firefox keeps freaking out |
| 02:58.10 | Tortel | anyone know an easy way to load my processor at like 25/50% for a long time? im trying to use it as a spaceheater :P |
| 02:58.25 | ben_goodger | Tortel: have it compute pi |
| 02:58.49 | Tortel | ben_goodger, command/program? |
| 02:58.51 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: have you restarted apache? |
| 02:58.55 | Tortel | or maybe E |
| 02:59.01 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home, i have |
| 02:59.06 | eldowan | jelly-home: Well Doesn't that just change everything. Thanks a bunch. |
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| 02:59.29 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: can you confirm your machine now listening on tcp/4433? |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | Tortel: cpuburn |
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| 03:00.12 | ben_goodger | Tortel: I don't know, presumably you can write a pi computer in python fairly easily |
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| 03:00.15 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, sadly, flash still doesn't work.. you think I should remove all of my /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins flash related stuff? |
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| 03:00.47 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home, how would i do that, and when i use firefox to a view https:website:4433, i get "website has sen an incorrect or unexpected message. error code: -122663 |
| 03:01.03 | flyinprogramer | *has sent |
| 03:01.05 | infinity0 | hmm, where should i add stuff to in bootmisc.sh? the end? |
| 03:01.17 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: telnet localhost 4433 ... see if it connects. |
| 03:01.19 | Madd_Matt | Tortel, try folding@home |
| 03:01.25 | Tortel | i like abrotman's idea of cpuburn. Sounds dangerous, adn effective. |
| 03:01.30 | karmatronic | infinity0: in the middle |
| 03:01.36 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: no, that'd be rather pointless. have you tried making a fresh firefox profile? |
| 03:01.50 | Madd_Matt | Tortel, do something useful with your wasted cycles. Also, using a computer as a spaceheater?!?!? |
| 03:01.51 | Tortel | but knowing that I have a p4 presscott, ill probably make it blow up |
| 03:01.53 | eldowan | karmatronic: did the vmware any-any patch work, or have you not recompiled yet? |
| 03:02.02 | infinity0 | karmatronic: just at the end of do_start(); ? |
| 03:02.13 | karmatronic | ehehcase "$1" in start|"") |
| 03:02.14 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: stupid question, does your first (or _default_ if you have it) vhost on 4433 have SSLEngine on? :-) |
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| 03:02.27 | Tortel | hey Madd_Matt, my heat is out and I have an old P4 system. What else would I do with it? |
| 03:02.36 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home, yes, it does say SSLEngine On |
| 03:02.45 | karmatronic | eldowan: well recompilation is giving me some weird problems |
| 03:02.52 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home, the telnet test passed |
| 03:03.01 | karmatronic | eldowan: they always worked as a charm but today isnt my day |
| 03:03.02 | eldowan | karmatronic: now that no good now. |
| 03:03.16 | infinity0 | karmatronic: uh what? |
| 03:03.21 | karmatronic | eldowan: time for a new reboot , hopes it s the good one ... |
| 03:03.23 | wols | Tortel: getting a new CPU of course |
| 03:03.35 | karmatronic | infinity0: after the start) |
| 03:03.44 | infinity0 | oh right ok cheers |
| 03:04.04 | num000 | hello, i need to use a snapshot version of php, this solves a bugfix problem with turkish language, i've php5.2.0+8etch7 installed, can someone point me to a documentation how to make this step, so that the snapshot version of php fits into my debian packages? |
| 03:04.42 | wols | num000: have you checked for available backports or if sid has a fixed php version? |
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| 03:05.03 | wols | also have you submitted a burgreport? |
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| 03:05.05 | num000 | wols no i didin't know that there is such a possibility |
| 03:05.06 | wols | *bug |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | num000: which version do you need ? |
| 03:05.16 | CommonClone | I am wanting to set up some kind of network where I can access different workstations (home, work, parent's computer, my laptop whetever I am) over the internet. I assume a VPN would be the logical choice. Does anyone know of any good how-to's regarding how to set this up? |
| 03:05.26 | num000 | wols bug report? no the bug has been solved, thats why i want to make use of the solved verson |
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| 03:05.33 | num000 | abrotman the latest snapshot |
| 03:05.38 | abrotman | CommonClone: i'm sure tldp.org has one |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | num000: i doubt there's a backport |
| 03:05.46 | wols | num000: apparently not solved in debian stable |
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| 03:05.54 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 03:05.57 | num000 | in regards to this fix http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=29955 |
| 03:06.03 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 03:06.34 | abrotman | num000: jesus .. that bug is super old .. it's probably fixed in etch |
| 03:06.39 | num000 | can i find out when this package has been build |
| 03:06.47 | CommonClone | abrotman: thanks I'll check that out |
| 03:06.47 | flyinprogramer | jelly-home, any ideas? |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | num000: the bug was fixed in 2005 |
| 03:06.55 | Tortel | mmm, folding@home is working, hopefully it will keep going for a while |
| 03:06.56 | num000 | abrotman no |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | num000: erm .. 2006 i think |
| 03:07.04 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: maybe some other browser would be more perceptive |
| 03:07.11 | smacnay_ | anyone here ever try to set up mldonkey? |
| 03:07.12 | flyinprogramer | possibly |
| 03:07.19 | num000 | abrotman no the bug was fixed on 4 of september |
| 03:07.23 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, by fresh profile you mean? Reinstall firefox? |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | num000: then that bug tracker *sucks* .. there's no year |
| 03:07.41 | num000 | if i could find out when the php package for sid was build |
| 03:07.58 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: like, "GET https://localhost:4433/" in command line. You need libwww-perl and libcrypt-ssleay-perl for that to work |
| 03:08.01 | num000 | abrotman i suppose it shows the actual year without the numbering, since the years before have a year |
| 03:08.06 | ben_goodger | Spiritus55: no... look it up |
| 03:08.11 | abrotman | num000: or they chnaged the code |
| 03:08.17 | num000 | maybe |
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| 03:08.51 | flyinprogramer | alrighty |
| 03:08.57 | jelly-home | flyinprogramer: also, #apache |
| 03:09.00 | num000 | abrotman i once heard that they wont fix it in 5 version of php, just in 6. i was wondering when i did look into it again, but my horde installation depends on it and i would love to use it |
| 03:09.04 | flyinprogramer | well now its working, but i have other problems |
| 03:09.25 | flyinprogramer | now i should just buy a host with ssl, https support |
| 03:09.27 | flyinprogramer | night |
| 03:09.53 | jelly-home | cya |
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| 03:11.41 | num000 | no suggestions what i could do? |
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| 03:13.28 | eldowan | num000: you have the patch? |
| 03:13.31 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, I can't find anything.. |
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| 03:13.40 | num000 | eldowan yes, ican downloadit easily |
| 03:13.44 | Spiritus55 | http://xoatlicue.blogspot.com/2007/07/starting-firefox-instance-with-fresh.html |
| 03:13.51 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, I found that.. but it's not working. |
| 03:14.29 | eldowan | num000: I've never done it, but I've heard the process is *something* like this: download the debian-src package (never done this, sorry can't help) apply the patch to the src, and then package the src post patch into a .deb |
| 03:15.07 | eldowan | num000: I've only heard this is one way to do it. I've never done it, and don't know if it can mess anything up. Some research should be done, etc... |
| 03:15.21 | num000 | eldowan thank you very much |
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| 03:16.33 | eldowan | karmatronic: bad taste in your mouth? |
| 03:17.01 | karmatronic | eldowan: thanks to you, i now have my guitar rig2 pedal board working under linux! |
| 03:17.13 | karmatronic | eldowan: no , time for vmware .... |
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| 03:17.46 | karmatronic | now |
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| 03:18.35 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, Yeah, the new profile didn't work.. |
| 03:18.48 | ben_goodger | well, I'm out of ideas, I'm afraid |
| 03:19.33 | eldowan | karmatronic: well I'm glad I could help out. |
| 03:19.47 | Spiritus55 | ben_goodger, thanks anyways. |
| 03:21.07 | karmatronic | eldowan: fuck this vmware doesnt compile ....you re using patch 109 ? |
| 03:21.16 | eldowan | karmatronic: 113 |
| 03:21.19 | smacnay_ | are there any extra programs needed to compile an app using the autogen.sh (I know I need autoconf) - anything else? |
| 03:21.26 | karmatronic | eldowan: with which version of vmware ? |
| 03:21.41 | eldowan | 1.0.3 last I checked. Do you know how to check from command line? |
| 03:21.54 | simonrvn | smacnay_: aclocal && autoheader && libtoolize --copy --automake && automake --copy --add-missing && autoconf |
| 03:22.19 | smacnay_ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 03:22.21 | simonrvn | smacnay_: that's in a sh function called autofuck ;) |
| 03:22.57 | karmatronic | eldowan: ok , buddy , vmon compiled with patch 114 ! |
| 03:23.03 | karmatronic | eldowan: thanks |
| 03:23.20 | eldowan | karmatronic: VMware-server-1.0.3-44356 |
| 03:23.26 | eldowan | karmatronic: aah, Great! |
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| 03:24.14 | karmatronic | eldowan: damn compilation , but it was worth it...now lets make work again the webcam and the dvb stick :) |
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| 03:26.09 | enderxim | with feh out of the repos what is another lightweight app i can use to set my bg on fluxbox? |
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| 03:28.06 | karmatronic | eldowan: do you have a serial number there :) |
| 03:28.11 | karmatronic | eldowan: i ve lost mine |
| 03:28.22 | gravity | enderxim: hsetroot work(ed) for me |
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| 03:28.52 | niru | what is the package for Qt4..30 |
| 03:28.56 | niru | what is the package for Qt4.3.0 |
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| 03:29.13 | ben_goodger | libqt4 is a good place to start... |
| 03:29.21 | smacnay_ | What is the app that allows one to track self-compiled apps - it places the app in a separate dir and symlinks to where the app would have gone? |
| 03:29.35 | niru | ben_goodger, is it libqt4-dev or only libqt4 |
| 03:29.55 | ben_goodger | -dev is the development shizzle |
| 03:29.57 | smacnay_ | enderxim: what happened to feh? |
| 03:30.08 | niru | ben_goodger, what is the package for openoffice.org SDk 2.2 |
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| 03:30.32 | ben_goodger | niru: I am not a search tool, look for yourself |
| 03:30.38 | eldowan | karsten: just a sec |
| 03:30.40 | kgoetz | lol. |
| 03:31.26 | enderxim | smacnay_: it was removed from the repos because of non-compliance having to do with a copywritten image or something |
| 03:31.44 | smacnay_ | enderxim: ah, too bad - I like it. |
| 03:31.48 | eldowan | karmatronic: sorry, not at work. All I've got is this: http://register.vmware.com/content/registration.html |
| 03:32.01 | enderxim | smacnay_: yeah, me too. hopefully it's taken care of quickly. |
| 03:35.04 | gravity | niru: apt-cache search is your friend |
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| 03:49.14 | unstable | Is there an easy CLI thunderbird-like software, so I can use mail and connect to gmail imap/smtp servers? |
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| 03:49.55 | Agrajag- | unstable: mutt |
| 03:50.34 | drc | what does CLI stand for |
| 03:50.41 | unstable | command line interface |
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| 03:53.39 | eldowan | unstable: also pine I belive |
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| 03:54.26 | wols | adon't think pine is in debian anymore |
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| 03:56.22 | drc | so, what's 'mail' then? |
| 03:57.03 | drc | can you send and receive emails outside the system with it |
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| 04:02.10 | stew | was pine ever in debian? |
| 04:02.26 | phogg | not that I recall |
| 04:02.27 | fujin_ | years ago, yes. |
| 04:02.31 | wols | wasn't it in contrib or oo due to license |
| 04:02.38 | wols | I think by now it's not even there anymore |
| 04:02.38 | fujin_ | 3.0r had it in there somewhere |
| 04:02.48 | fujin_ | Isn't pine deprecated by superior tools, like mutt? |
| 04:02.52 | stew | fujin_: definately not in 3.0 |
| 04:02.54 | fujin_ | hell, you can GPG with mutt |
| 04:02.58 | wols | it might have been a djb kinda deal with downliading and making it but it was there |
| 04:03.01 | wols | somewhere |
| 04:03.09 | stew | fujin_: pine is non-free i doubt it has ever actually been free |
| 04:03.15 | fujin_ | I must be thinking of something else. |
| 04:03.26 | stew | yeah, there was pine source in nonfree that you could build |
| 04:03.26 | fujin_ | Didn't pine have that nag screen on firstrun? |
| 04:03.33 | wols | no, I remember pine somewhere too |
| 04:03.54 | shogunx | well, there is gpg4pine or pgp4pine, can't remember which, but pine is indeed non-free |
| 04:04.43 | shogunx | redhat used to distribute it, iirc. whenever i needed it i just got source from uw |
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| 04:20.07 | eldowan | is there a good current method of getting ati accelerated graphics? |
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| 04:26.41 | wols | eldowan: what videocard/chip? |
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| 04:27.08 | eldowan | wols: ati x1900 AIW |
| 04:27.16 | eldowan | PCIE |
| 04:27.16 | wols | !tell eldowan about fglrx |
| 04:27.46 | eldowan | !prize wols |
| 04:27.57 | snacky | !prize wols |
| 04:28.27 | snacky | we all love wols |
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| 04:39.28 | eldowan | So I take it from the factoid that direct rendering is not working with fglrx and xorg in lenny? |
| 04:40.21 | ben_goodger | nyope |
| 04:40.36 | eldowan | ben_goodger: was that meant my direction? |
| 04:40.42 | ben_goodger | mmm |
| 04:40.46 | ben_goodger | blame AMD |
| 04:41.11 | eldowan | grr. Oh well, at least I've got 2d working atm |
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| 04:41.55 | eldowan | nvidia has always been so much easier to work with. I guess I know which brand I'm buying next time... |
| 04:42.00 | ben_goodger | well, don't quote me |
| 04:42.31 | ben_goodger | I'd buy AMD next, but that's because I have a very good nvidia card already and it will last me until well after AMD's stuff has free drivers |
| 04:43.19 | kgoetz | ati is getting better |
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| 04:44.03 | Nyle | somewehat better |
| 04:44.08 | dto | hello debianites :-) |
| 04:44.17 | dto | debiananians? |
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| 04:44.30 | dto | what should i call myself now that I use debian? |
| 04:45.03 | eldowan | dto? |
| 04:45.10 | dto | hi eldowan :-) |
| 04:45.13 | eldowan | Thats what I'd call myself if I were you |
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| 04:45.29 | eldowan | and Helly and good evening |
| 04:45.35 | dto | i'm looking into the cdbs |
| 04:45.45 | dto | as i've begun packaging stuff |
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| 04:46.31 | dto | and i will need to be able to build packages for 32-bit Intel as well as AMD64 (buying a Dual Core X2 6000+ in a few days :-) |
| 04:47.01 | dto | i'm putting together my own repository for stuff that's configured for our studio's environment. |
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| 04:49.38 | dto | so far i've got a realtime kernel, emacs 23 from cvs, and a whole bunch of other things packages |
| 04:49.40 | dto | packaged |
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| 04:54.27 | dto | do people use cdbs? i've been reading the page and it looks great. |
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| 05:05.32 | rance | is anybody using debian to hows a linux based cups print server? Im having trouble getting cups to actually listen on my network, after adding the listen directives to the config file |
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| 05:14.52 | kgoetz | hm. does rance's question mean debian now ships ubuntus broken cupsd? |
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| 05:25.02 | eldowan | I've read the mixed system factoid, and set my default-release in /etc/apt/apt.conf to "testing" but new packages want to install from sid. when I show the policy of say: mount I get the stars nex to a line indicating testing, but when I install it pulls down from sid. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 05:25.26 | muhoo | is there a command-line tool that will write (not read) ID3v2.3 tags? |
| 05:25.36 | muhoo | NOT ID3v2.4! |
| 05:25.47 | muhoo | mutagen is out of the picture because it forces anyting it writes to be v2.4 |
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| 05:26.36 | eldowan | when I do something like aptitude upgrade it wants to pull everything from sid, but when I to -t testing it works as it should. |
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| 05:27.03 | muhoo | and tools like easytag, kid3, etc are gooey. useless, i need command-line |
| 05:27.15 | DawnLight | eldowan: your sources.list has sid, then |
| 05:27.18 | wols | eldowan: why do you have both in your sources.list? |
| 05:27.44 | DawnLight | muhoo: aptitude search it |
| 05:27.55 | eldowan | wols: to pull specific packages from sid, and only specific packages from sid. I've got it setup at work and it works as it should. |
| 05:28.00 | eldowan | DawnLight: that is correct. |
| 05:28.13 | wols | !tell eldowan about bobbitt |
| 05:28.18 | muhoo | apt-cache search id3 |wc |
| 05:28.23 | muhoo | 76 items! |
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| 05:29.10 | DawnLight | muhoo: in aptitude press / or l and type "~Ginterface::text-mode ~did3" |
| 05:29.23 | eldowan | wols: Thanks for the warning, but I found my problem. I had a typo. instead of APT::Default-Release "version"; I had PT::Default-Release "version"; |
| 05:29.46 | muhoo | ah. apt-cache search id3 |grep -i command |wc ==> 6 items |
| 05:29.48 | muhoo | that i can do :-) |
| 05:29.57 | DawnLight | muhoo: or capitalize the id3, i don't remember whether it's case sensitive |
| 05:30.24 | muhoo | id3tool and eyed3 look promising |
| 05:30.59 | eldowan | wols: this is the only way I can currently get amarok 1.4.7 and a few other choice apps to run on lenny. :D |
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| 05:34.41 | drmitch | today's update killed my mythtv, now i can't start up the frontend without crashing X, anyone else have this problem? |
| 05:36.53 | motorik | eldowan:i have also a lenny/sid installation .is there a way to check how many packages from sid are currently installed on my system? |
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| 05:39.57 | mbuf | if i want to get Anjuta 2.2.2 from Debian unstable, as mentioned here, http://www.robster.org.uk/blog/2007/10/24/anjuta-222/, how would i do that? currently using Debian Etch |
| 05:40.07 | nvz | motorik: not very easily it would be very complicated but apt-cache policy might be a good place to start |
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| 05:40.36 | nvz | !info libc6 lenny |
| 05:40.39 | nvz | !info libc6 sid |
| 05:40.41 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 4310 kB, Installed size: 10468 kB |
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| 05:40.57 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 05:41.31 | nvz | motorik: if you have libc6 2.6.1-6 then you are pretty much running sid any might as well just do a dist upgrade |
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| 05:42.14 | nvz | dpkg, tell mbuf about simple sid backport |
| 05:42.40 | mbuf | nvz, thanks |
| 05:43.00 | nvz | dpkg, botsnack |
| 05:43.00 | dpkg | nvz: thanks |
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| 05:50.38 | mbuf | nvz, anjuta 2.2.2 is available in sid (unstable); so i just follow these instructions? http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 05:52.59 | grendal_prime | sup my ninjas? |
| 05:53.38 | grendal_prime | man i really need to learn how to deal with disk arrays in linux...whats the overall best approach? |
| 05:54.48 | grendal_prime | where the hell is everyone...must have been a rough monday |
| 05:54.57 | motorik | mbuf:you can use apt-pinning |
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| 05:56.46 | mbuf | motorik, i see |
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| 05:57.31 | fdelacruz | ..epic5!0.3.4[1480] darwin 9.0.0 (oblivion/1.0c4) -1 |
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| 05:59.52 | motorik | mbuf:check this instructions for apt-pinning too http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html .always worked with me |
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| 06:01.10 | mbuf | motorik, good documentation; one of the reasons I like Debian |
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| 06:10.50 | aidan | How can I force extract a zip file? I'm getting a central-directory-endfile or something error, but the file opens fine on OSX |
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| 06:51.52 | DawnLight | i need a command that will print one line off a file that doesn't end (ttyS*) and quit |
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| 06:52.27 | cast | where * is what... |
| 06:52.42 | cast | it makes a difference, your line could be 'ttySklsjdfsiofjewi 23 34t3443 ' |
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| 06:53.00 | DawnLight | i need a command that will print a certain number of bytes from a serial port and quit |
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| 06:53.31 | shogunx | print to screen or print to paper? |
| 06:53.42 | DawnLight | shogunx: to stdout |
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| 06:55.04 | shogunx | cat will not do it for you? |
| 06:55.28 | DawnLight | shogunx: cat will not quit because it doesn't reach the end of the file |
| 06:55.59 | shogunx | cat -n 1 /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 06:56.05 | DawnLight | there is no end. thats what i'm looking for. a command that knows to quit after a certain number of bytes |
| 06:56.40 | DawnLight | shogunx: there are no lines there. i've tried cat --bytes 3 but it also would'nt quit |
| 06:56.49 | cast | try dd then |
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| 06:57.10 | shogunx | how many characters do you want? |
| 06:57.20 | DawnLight | "output the last N lines (default: 10)" or "output the last N bytes" only there are no "last" |
| 06:57.27 | DawnLight | i want 3 bytes |
| 06:57.47 | shogunx | dog -w x gives you x characters |
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| 06:58.52 | DawnLight | exciting! |
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| 06:59.27 | shogunx | right. well, i'm off to sleep. happy dogging. |
| 06:59.35 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 07:01.27 | dsfsdfsdf100 | hey |
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| 07:01.43 | dsfsdfsdf100 | how can i stop proxies from connecting to my server ? |
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| 07:10.04 | DawnLight | dog doesn't seem to read from /dev/ttyS* at all! |
| 07:10.10 | DawnLight | bad dog! |
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| 07:12.14 | dmilith | good morning |
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| 07:17.16 | SpeedyG | enouf: why'd you leave? :) |
| 07:18.18 | DawnLight | i need a command that will print a certain number of byes from a serial port and quit! |
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| 07:19.15 | sauvin | Gah, the debian dvds are going to take several years to download :sigh: |
| 07:19.36 | SpeedyG | sauvin: maybe you should pick another mirror :) |
| 07:19.40 | fireba11 | sauvin : you got a real reason to get them at all ? |
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| 07:20.00 | sauvin | Other than wanting to have them in case my internet goes down? |
| 07:20.30 | DawnLight | i'm actually saving debian bandwitdth by having them here |
| 07:22.17 | cast | use an isp mirror |
| 07:23.03 | Supaplex | you mean there's clones of aol and msn out there? EGADS! |
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| 07:24.46 | nun63 | ciao |
| 07:24.52 | Supaplex | moin |
| 07:24.55 | Supaplex | ish |
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| 07:27.25 | santosh | i have installed apt-cacher in one of my machines and i was trying to update anothe system using local server where apt-cacher is installed but the spped at which it is getting update is very less can anyone tell me how to increase the speed |
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| 07:28.08 | santosh | or what might be the reason for such a slow speed |
| 07:28.28 | enouf | Supaplex: let sleeping dogs lie, pet a kitty or something :-P |
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| 07:29.21 | Supaplex | sauvin: funny that, me to. :) |
| 07:29.28 | enouf | santosh: is network speed etween the two when using other apps fast? |
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| 07:29.42 | enouf | santosh: is network speed etween the two when using other apps fast? |
| 07:29.59 | enouf | between* |
| 07:30.05 | santosh | no actually the network speed is alsow slow |
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| 07:30.19 | enouf | well, that can be an issue |
| 07:30.21 | santosh | thats y i thought of updating through lan |
| 07:30.40 | enouf | LAN is what i meant |
| 07:31.01 | santosh | ' local network |
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| 07:31.07 | enouf | do you mean your ISP bandwidth is slow? |
| 07:31.35 | enouf | santosh: are you getting slow d/l speeds from debian's official mirrors? |
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| 07:31.56 | santosh | yeah isp is slow ......thats y i have installed apt-cacher ....... so that i can download on one machine and install it from other using apt-cacher but even doing by it the speed is alow |
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| 07:32.27 | enouf | santosh: check each one's NIC settings using "ethtool ethX" |
| 07:32.33 | santosh | not from the debian ...... but from the local server that i have set up |
| 07:32.43 | enouf | santosh: any swiches or routers in between the two? |
| 07:33.00 | santosh | yeah ther are swiches |
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| 07:33.15 | enouf | sure i understand, your trying to circumvent crappy ISP speed |
| 07:33.21 | enouf | you're |
| 07:33.21 | santosh | yup |
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| 07:33.28 | santosh | yes |
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| 07:33.40 | santosh | there is a switch in betweem |
| 07:33.43 | enouf | there's also a thing called apt-ftparchive IIRC |
| 07:33.52 | santosh | is that affecting the speed???? |
| 07:33.59 | santosh | what is it for? |
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| 07:34.14 | enouf | check with ethtool, it could be |
| 07:34.39 | enouf | if the switch only support 10baseT and not 100 it sure will slow things down |
| 07:35.02 | santosh | okkkk |
| 07:35.43 | santosh | apt-ftparchive what does it do?? |
| 07:35.55 | enouf | santosh: for all intents and purposes, telnet, ftp, hfs should all be speedy on a LAN (should be able to use netcat too) |
| 07:36.38 | santosh | okk |
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| 07:37.05 | santosh | i have given in the sources list as something lile this: http:localhost /main |
| 07:37.15 | enouf | man apt-ftparchive |
| 07:37.16 | santosh | because i am using http is it the reason??????? |
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| 07:37.53 | enouf | TCP/IP should be fine - i never used apt-cacher though |
| 07:38.16 | enouf | oh my bad, not hfs, but nfs |
| 07:38.25 | santosh | kkkkk |
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| 07:38.43 | enouf | but those i mention in order for you to get your LAN speed in order prior |
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| 07:39.21 | santosh | okkkk |
| 07:39.41 | enouf | santosh: anyway, i suck at networking, hopefully someone else can chime in |
| 07:39.41 | santosh | I will try it out and if i face any probs i will come up again |
| 07:39.52 | santosh | okkk thats fine |
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| 07:40.02 | stormshadow | sup all |
| 07:40.12 | enouf | santosh: anyways, 'ethtool eth0' (or ethX)as root shows general info |
| 07:40.37 | ColdFyre | happy birthday to meeeeeeeeeeee |
| 07:40.53 | stormshadow | congrats |
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| 07:41.15 | santosh | yeah i have checked up ethtooll and the speed is very less from local server from where its getting downloaded |
| 07:41.33 | sauvin | Oh, hell, irssi has log options up the freaking WAZOO. |
| 07:41.41 | sauvin | Ewps, sorry, wrong window. |
| 07:41.42 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:52.33 | SpeedyG | hm, when logging out, I get 'there are stopped jobs' what can I do about that ? how can I see what jobs that are ? |
| 07:53.10 | SpeedyG | nvm |
| 07:53.14 | ColdFyre | fg |
| 07:53.43 | SpeedyG | thx :) found it allready :) |
| 07:53.48 | SpeedyG | http://web.mit.edu/answers/unix/unix_jobs.html <+ :> |
| 07:53.49 | SpeedyG | anyway |
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| 07:59.28 | gallus | hi |
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| 08:00.13 | gallus | Any one of you know where can I find a repository for cinepaint for my sid? |
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| 08:06.52 | Helmi | gallus, no such thing on debian.multimedia.org (or what it's called)? |
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| 08:09.13 | gallus | Helmi: in my apt source list I already have deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main but there is not |
| 08:10.33 | gallus | Helmi: is it strange isn't it? |
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| 08:12.57 | gallus | Helmi: on cinepaint website there is no more any deb package :( |
| 08:13.18 | Helmi | gallus, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/cinepaint - looks like it's there for some archs |
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| 08:14.23 | gallus | Helmi: what do you mean? |
| 08:16.55 | gallus | Helmi: I'm compiling source code from tar.gz file |
| 08:17.11 | axscode | how in shell script that when it runs, it ask for read -p "select: " myvar, i want that script cannot be CTRL + Z cannot be CTRL + C |
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| 08:23.28 | User02 | !tell uhong about ask |
| 08:24.57 | gallus | bye |
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| 08:25.28 | liable | User02: hello. |
| 08:25.34 | liable | uhong: helo |
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| 08:26.23 | Helmi | 736 more hellos to go |
| 08:27.05 | uhong | it's great in use irc,this is my first time use it |
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| 08:27.40 | sauvin | Waugh... my download appears to have frozen! |
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| 08:28.07 | cydork | axscode: type "help trap", also there is #bash |
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| 08:31.25 | Supaplex | how does dpkg-buildpackage use make -j? I have distcc, but it's not running more than one instance. :-/ |
| 08:31.31 | dimsuz | <dimsuz> why when I plug some usb storage and mount it with hal (using hal-enabled filemanager), mounted dir gets root owner, not a user which does mount (he is in a plugdev group). What's wrong? |
| 08:31.36 | DawnLight | why is dd printing in my terminal when i use > or | to send it's output? |
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| 08:34.11 | eth01 | how can i set a mysql root password? |
| 08:34.24 | epsilon | is it possible to play Windows Media Audio/Video coded files? |
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| 08:35.44 | Helmi | if I'm not mistaken mplayer does |
| 08:35.55 | liable | epsilon: yep, w32codecs from debian-multimedis.org |
| 08:36.15 | dimsuz | epsilon: and xine. you need codecs ^^^. see liable's answer |
| 08:36.21 | epsilon | ok, thx |
| 08:36.49 | ameyer | epsilon: umm, liable means debian-multimedia.orf |
| 08:36.56 | Helmi | heh |
| 08:37.06 | ameyer | *.org |
| 08:37.14 | ameyer | !typosmite me |
| 08:37.20 | eth01 | spamass-milter - milter for filtering mail through spamassassin --- typo! |
| 08:37.59 | ameyer | seriously, I correct a typo by introducing another one... |
| 08:38.06 | ameyer | brilliant, isn't it? |
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| 08:41.38 | cydork | Supaplex: have you checked bug#209008? |
| 08:42.04 | erpo | If I want to build from source exactly the same binary that has been installed on my system via a deb package, how would I do this? |
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| 08:42.17 | sauvin | Can debian be installed from iso images stored on another partition? |
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| 08:44.50 | cubiq | Anyone can lead me to resources how I can compile a 64bit kernel? |
| 08:46.22 | Helmi | isn't that just a matter of compiling on a 64bit system? |
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| 08:48.22 | sauvin | Helmi, there may be some #includes and some #ifdefs to tweak and whatnot. |
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| 08:49.22 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 08:49.30 | cubiq | Helmi: Ahh your probably right..my bad... |
| 08:49.49 | cubiq | Which is the official debian 64 bit distribution for Core 2 duo procs? |
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| 08:50.32 | Helmi | amd64 is the generic term IIRC |
| 08:50.38 | Supaplex | cydork: humm nice idea. thanks. |
| 08:50.53 | daveinthesky | !amd64 |
| 08:50.53 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 08:50.57 | cubiq | Helmi: OK, thanks |
| 08:51.21 | cubiq | I guess its because AMD was first out on the field... |
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| 08:51.56 | Ace2016 | i wonder if someone will come up with a 128bit processor or just skip to 1024bit processor or something like that |
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| 08:53.09 | xep__ | hello, |
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| 08:53.16 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 08:53.21 | xep__ | do "iptables" config stay after a reboot ? |
| 08:53.27 | kodess | Do I need the MTA to be started on start up If I don |
| 08:53.32 | Supaplex | xep__: no |
| 08:53.45 | kodess | Do I need the MTA to be started on start up If I don't use my machine as a mail server? |
| 08:54.11 | skitapa | question: how does one install software raid that is bootable on a alphaserver? |
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| 08:54.44 | kodess | I just need to get mail as a client and every time it takes a long tome to wait while it's starting |
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| 08:55.41 | Bleupomme | Hi, I would like to optimize a reiserfs for a large amount of small files. How could I do that? |
| 08:55.45 | kodess | It says "Starting MTA..." and does nothing for about 2 minutes. Is it neccesary? |
| 08:56.26 | Helmi | kodess, nothing in the logs to explain the long wait? |
| 08:56.50 | Helmi | kodess, enabling bootlogd might help |
| 08:56.59 | Trewas | kodess: no, MTA is not required, I have removed them from all of my desktop linux boxes |
| 08:57.13 | kodess | Helmi What I dont get is if I need it at all? |
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| 08:57.29 | liable | kodess: is it configured for local mail only? |
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| 08:57.59 | liable | kodess: mostly not, but it is how system mail is delevered, so if something starts going bad, you wont know about it |
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| 08:58.22 | kodess | lieable what is "local mail"? I need to get mail, say, from gmail |
| 08:58.34 | liable | kodess: system mail |
| 08:58.52 | kodess | liable, ah, no i think i dont need system mail |
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| 09:02.04 | erpo | Nevermind; I found the appropriate howto. |
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| 09:03.06 | liable | war: i thought your job had something to do with beer? |
| 09:03.07 | Blackhold | hello |
| 09:03.13 | Supaplex | !beer liable |
| 09:03.28 | liable | !thank Supaplex |
| 09:03.28 | dpkg | gern geschehen, liable |
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| 09:03.53 | liable | war: sorry, ECHAN |
| 09:03.57 | Blackhold | I have installed a server and would like to receive the mails from the system in root user, what I have to install? |
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| 09:05.53 | streuner | !factinfo thank |
| 09:05.53 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as thank, streuner |
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| 09:13.37 | basanta | how do i disconnect a user that is logged on to my system via ssh ? |
| 09:15.25 | streuner | !info slay |
| 09:15.30 | dpkg | slay: (Kills all of the user's processes), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 09:15.51 | |Laser| | i've upgraded to a new generic kernel and yet grub won't show the new one on the list on the boot menu |
| 09:16.15 | Helmi | did you edit menu.lst? |
| 09:16.19 | |Laser| | yes |
| 09:16.24 | streuner | search at wiki.debian.org (grub) about |
| 09:16.31 | |Laser| | it has the new kernel |
| 09:17.00 | ameyer | ooh, slay sounds like fun |
| 09:17.19 | ameyer | wonder how well slaying your own processes would work... |
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| 09:17.27 | streuner | hehe |
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| 09:18.18 | ameyer | presumably slay would slay itself or something that would cause it to fail to function at some point |
| 09:19.46 | Helmi | laser you have only one instance of menu.lst on the system? |
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| 09:22.07 | Supaplex | humm.. distcc needs i486-linux-gnu-gcc on my amd64 install, but it's not there. do I have to build it as a cross compiler? and how? |
| 09:22.23 | Supaplex | I have dpkg-cross installed to, so maybe build gcc for it? hummms... |
| 09:22.51 | Supaplex | 10K bogomips just sitting there idle... :P |
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| 09:23.35 | Helmi | at least they don't do any harm |
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| 09:23.57 | vi391 | is ssh login over port 22 in etch disabled by default ? |
| 09:24.14 | Helmi | hopefully for root yes |
| 09:24.16 | tarzeau | vi391: i think ssh is just not installed? |
| 09:24.22 | tarzeau | Helmi: it's not, imho |
| 09:24.23 | petemc | vi391: is openssh-server installed? |
| 09:24.37 | streuner | vi391: dpkg -l ssh |
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| 09:24.48 | xep_ | re-hello... |
| 09:24.53 | xep_ | any iptables guru ? |
| 09:24.54 | xep_ | here ? |
| 09:24.58 | tarzeau | xep_: just ask? |
| 09:24.59 | vi391 | well, If its installed as "webserver" i guess openssh should be installed? |
| 09:25.09 | petemc | vi391: easy to check |
| 09:25.11 | xep_ | tarzeau, i have installed a openvpn |
| 09:25.15 | xep_ | the tunnel is working |
| 09:25.31 | xep_ | but i want to route connections from client trough server before going to internet |
| 09:25.49 | xep_ | so on client the default gw is 10.1.0.1 (vpn server) |
| 09:26.01 | xep_ | but network doesn't work on client |
| 09:26.20 | xep_ | when i ping on client www.google.fr |
| 09:27.05 | xep_ | by "tcpdump -i tun0, i can see that on server : 10:23:54.335397 IP 10.1.0.2.1037 > dns3.proxad.net.domain: 1626+ A? www.google.fr |
| 09:27.33 | xep_ | i can notice that connections don't go from server to tun0 |
| 09:27.35 | xep_ | back |
| 09:27.48 | xep_ | is somebody listening or do it speak in the void ? |
| 09:27.53 | |Laser| | Helmi: there are three actually. |
| 09:28.16 | |Laser| | /boot/grub/menu.lst.old & /boot/grub/menu.lst~ |
| 09:28.19 | Helmi | laser might explain the situation |
| 09:28.30 | xep_ | i have speaked for nobod=y ? |
| 09:28.39 | |Laser| | if i don't count /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst |
| 09:28.40 | Helmi | laser err |
| 09:28.56 | Helmi | laser those are irrelevant |
| 09:29.49 | magnificient_voi | xep_: speak to me! :D |
| 09:29.56 | |Laser| | i don't understand |
| 09:29.57 | Helmi | laser was thinking in the line of multiple instances of grub/meny.lst - like if you have > 1 linux installed |
| 09:30.04 | xep_ | magnificient_voi, what do you think about my problem ? |
| 09:30.23 | Laser | yes. there is one linux installed |
| 09:30.41 | Laser | lemme recheck |
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| 09:31.25 | magnificientvoid | xep_: i think that you should wait for some time. and if you don't get an anwer ask again. I don't know the answer :) |
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| 09:32.07 | Laser | Helmi: i had an old boot partition which i've just deleted |
| 09:32.17 | eth01 | how can i set a mysql root password? |
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| 09:32.56 | Laser | when upgrading grub will it boot from the one that it should? |
| 09:33.06 | magnificientvoid | eth01: did you check if there exists some mysql channel? smth like #mysql? perhaps you'll get a reply there faster |
| 09:33.49 | liable | eth01: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=set+mysql+root+password&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 09:34.03 | Supaplex | curious, why are cross compiling toolsets not precompiled into handy debs? (debian official like) http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers?highlight=%28cross-compile%29 |
| 09:34.44 | mb | I've dowloaded etch but I can't install it because it doesn't see my sata disk (based on this driver: amd sb600). I've searched around the net but I didn't find anything...I see, in the installation menu, a list of driver but I don't know what I've to choose...can someone help me? |
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| 09:35.44 | Helmi | laser I think you want to run update-grub |
| 09:35.55 | Laser | i did :) |
| 09:36.05 | Laser | and have to try and reboot :) |
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| 09:39.51 | Laser | Helmi: thank you! |
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| 09:40.17 | Helmi | np |
| 09:40.26 | vi391 | thanks about helping with openssh server, it works |
| 09:40.42 | Supaplex | yay |
| 09:41.56 | DeFirence | oi DawnLight? |
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| 09:51.08 | Sty1 | Hello, I need help. I want to try to start my debian system over network, it really works, but the problem is, that I don't know how to get the rootfs image. Firt i had installed the debian system and now i want to make the rootfs image, an anybody help me? |
| 09:51.27 | tarzeau | Sty1: diskless you mean? i386? |
| 09:51.45 | Sty1 | yes of course. |
| 09:52.01 | Sty1 | Should i try to explain it again from the beginning? |
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| 09:53.15 | Sty1 | The functions of the server are ready, so the server give the client the kernel and the initrd, the only problem I have, how to get the rootfs from he client. When I have the rootfs image than it shuld work correctly. |
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| 09:56.46 | Sty1 | Can you help me? |
| 09:57.54 | Arafangion | Sty1: Why don't you just use ltsp? |
| 09:58.05 | Sty1 | What is ltsp? |
| 09:58.15 | Arafangion | Linux Terminal Server Project. |
| 09:58.17 | Sty1 | one moment please, i will looked up |
| 09:58.28 | Arafangion | Unless you just want a remote root fs, which is actually quite unusual. |
| 09:59.47 | Sty1 | oh thx, it's a good advise, i looked for somethin like a terminal, in order to run diskless |
| 09:59.57 | Sty1 | thx a lot i ill read and try my best ;) |
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| 10:02.07 | DeFirence | let me ask quickly, what is on the second 2 debian dvd's |
| 10:02.25 | Arafangion | DeFirence: More packages. |
| 10:02.29 | DeFirence | lol |
| 10:02.37 | Arafangion | DeFirence: Debian is a damn big distro. :) |
| 10:02.40 | DeFirence | but packages no one ever uses :P |
| 10:02.59 | Arafangion | DeFirence: Packages that people are statistically less likely to use, indeed. |
| 10:03.07 | DeFirence | ok |
| 10:03.08 | DeFirence | :) |
| 10:03.10 | Arafangion | DeFirence: That's why they're not on the first DVD. |
| 10:03.17 | DeFirence | yup |
| 10:03.25 | DeFirence | i downloaded all 3 anyway :P |
| 10:03.39 | DeFirence | but ive only ever used the first |
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| 10:03.55 | Arafangion | DeFirence: We only recommend people download the netinst cd, that is about 180MB and therefore stresses the server less. |
| 10:03.57 | DeFirence | i installed with the netinst cd while they were dling |
| 10:04.10 | Arafangion | DeFirence: Why? |
| 10:04.25 | DeFirence | why what? |
| 10:04.26 | DeFirence | :S |
| 10:04.42 | Arafangion | Why bother downloading the DVD's, if you already had debian installed? |
| 10:05.05 | vogtp | hi, I need to start java in 64 bit mode on a xenon based server -- is there a way to run a 64 bit debian on a xenon -- or trick java? |
| 10:05.05 | DeFirence | cause i want them for when ever i use debian in the future |
| 10:05.14 | DeFirence | i wont always have internet etc |
| 10:05.35 | SlayerXP | vogtp: what's a "xenon based server"? |
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| 10:05.49 | DeFirence | infact, last nite i deleted my debian installs vm hard drive by mistake |
| 10:05.53 | vogtp | a hp dl 360 g4p |
| 10:05.55 | ErichDotzer | and you can keep your DVDs up to date with jigdo |
| 10:06.09 | SlayerXP | vogtp: do you by any chance mean "xeon"? |
| 10:06.19 | DeFirence | so now im gonna install from the dvd |
| 10:06.20 | vogtp | lol |
| 10:06.22 | vogtp | sure |
| 10:06.32 | SlayerXP | or maybe "xen" ? |
| 10:08.11 | vogtp | no, not interested in XEN ATM, i wish i could get a java running in 64 bit mode on my xeon box (lshw lists the processors as 64 bit) |
| 10:08.44 | Arafangion | vogtp: A 64-bit java would be an advantage, indeed. Have you considered compiling it yourself? |
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| 10:09.31 | Arafangion | SlayerXP: Compared to java, anyway. :) |
| 10:09.41 | Arafangion | SlayerXP: I must say I share your opinion. |
| 10:09.46 | vogtp | not yet, il need the compile the glibc in 64 bit as well? |
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| 10:10.55 | vogtp | SlayerXP: java 32bit has a max heapspace of 4gb, 64bit is virtualy unlimited -- see the advabtage (even for java)? |
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| 10:12.28 | SlayerXP | vogtp: you see an advantage, I see a reason to drag a developer into a soundproof room and explain why garbage collection is important using a stick with a nail in. |
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| 10:13.28 | Arafangion | vogtp: Actually, 4gb should be plenty, the problem is that java for some wierd reason wants a perfectly *contigious* heap space. |
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| 10:14.07 | Arafangion | SlayerXP: GC is extremely useful, this isn't the issue. |
| 10:14.17 | niru | what is the package that is responsible for xorg.conf file |
| 10:14.25 | Arafangion | niru: Probably xserver-xorg |
| 10:14.27 | ameyer | !drxx |
| 10:14.27 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 10:14.45 | vogtp | is there a way to run a 64 bit os on a xeon? |
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| 10:15.16 | vogtp | if i have to recompile everything i tend to use gentoo... |
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| 10:15.28 | niru | Arafangion, is it xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-core |
| 10:15.34 | vogtp | ... even though not really an option for a server |
| 10:15.47 | Arafangion | niru: I don't actually know - hence the "probably". ;) |
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| 10:16.01 | DeFirence | oh, it looks like it wasnt nx causing the problem with x on debian, so u guys should try out nx if your currently using vnc which is very crappy :( |
| 10:16.13 | DeFirence | !nx |
| 10:16.13 | dpkg | somebody said nx was http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 10:16.17 | Zenox | anyone know if debs is existent for the onewire filesystem (owfs)? |
| 10:16.22 | Trewas | vogtp: install amd64 version of debian, you can't change debian from 32bit to 64bit on the fly with dist-upgrade etc |
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| 10:16.28 | Sty1 | Can anybody help me with PXE-Booting? |
| 10:16.40 | vogtp | Trewas: thanks |
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| 10:17.04 | Sty1 | My problm is that I don't know how to get the rootfs. |
| 10:17.24 | karmatronic | DeFirence: nx doesnt suppose that gain of speed |
| 10:17.33 | DeFirence | huh? |
| 10:17.43 | karmatronic | DeFirence: so ssh +x11vnc is enough for me |
| 10:18.04 | Sty1 | Anybody helped me with the possiblity of LTSP but it'snt a good idea for me because my serve is a fli4l system,and the client should be a debian system. |
| 10:18.09 | DeFirence | nx runs almost as fast as if u were on lan, over a slow, high latency connection |
| 10:18.10 | Zenox | vogtp: there a pretty nice way of doing the upgrade without too much hussle |
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| 10:18.35 | Zenox | vogtp: dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt |
| 10:18.36 | vogtp | Zenox: now it getting interesting |
| 10:18.58 | karmatronic | DeFirence: actually i used to run freenx |
| 10:19.11 | Zenox | vogtp: install debian amd64 version on another computer, then copy foo.txt to the destination and run |
| 10:19.12 | DeFirence | ahh |
| 10:19.17 | DeFirence | i prefer nomachine nx |
| 10:19.22 | DeFirence | but freenx works too |
| 10:19.25 | Zenox | vogtp: dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt |
| 10:19.35 | Zenox | vogtp: apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 10:19.37 | karmatronic | DeFirence: oh yeah i remember , freenx requires genuine ssh to work |
| 10:19.49 | DeFirence | genuine? |
| 10:19.51 | Zenox | vogtp: to get the same packages on the destination.. |
| 10:19.57 | karmatronic | DeFirence: since my ssh i compiled ,it complains and wants to get rid of it |
| 10:19.59 | vogtp | Zenox: got it |
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| 10:20.05 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 10:20.12 | DeFirence | why not use openssh? |
| 10:20.21 | DeFirence | from the debian repo |
| 10:20.35 | Zenox | vogtp: but you've got to copy the changes configfiles by hand... but a bit quicker than doing everything yourself anyways :) |
| 10:20.43 | karmatronic | DeFirence:i use openssh , but i compiled it ti change ssh banner and to permit chroot |
| 10:20.52 | DeFirence | ahhh |
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| 10:21.01 | DeFirence | :) |
| 10:21.16 | karmatronic | DeFirence: but i should find the way to inform apt that sshd is already there |
| 10:21.34 | DeFirence | you should ask in #nx, there may be a work around |
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| 10:21.47 | DeFirence | ye |
| 10:21.53 | DeFirence | cause nx is the shit :D |
| 10:22.25 | karmatronic | DeFirence: well it s a general question .how can i inform apt that i ve compiled my own app, so that it includes it in his cache as installed |
| 10:22.38 | DeFirence | ye |
| 10:23.13 | DeFirence | i couldnt get freenx to work when i tried, but nomachine's .debs work like a dream |
| 10:23.32 | ix | the easiest way would perhaps be to compile your own packages. |
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| 10:25.13 | Helmi | !equivs |
| 10:25.13 | dpkg | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 10:25.48 | Helmi | karmatronic, ^^ this maybe? |
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| 10:26.02 | MicroChip32 | how can i get dpkg to list full package names and descripts instead of truncating them in fixed width columns as seems to be the default ? |
| 10:26.30 | Helmi | COLUMNS=200 dpkg ... etc |
| 10:27.13 | MicroChip32 | cool, thx |
| 10:27.22 | assasukasse | hi all, i have a difficulty in building a package, i am trying to compile transmission 0.91 on my debian etch machine, taking the sources from unstable |
| 10:27.26 | karmatronic | Helmi: let s give it a try |
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| 10:27.46 | assasukasse | however, the version 0.61 had the executable named transmission-gtk |
| 10:28.02 | DeFirence | karmatronic: gl :) |
| 10:28.13 | assasukasse | now the new version builds the executable as transmission, how can i make it build as transmission-gtk? |
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| 10:28.58 | wAndyw78 | absolutly OT, but here are the experts ;-) Can anyone recommend a notebook for debian lenny with realistic color rendering display 17" for digital imaging? |
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| 10:31.03 | Helmi | what is the measure of realistic color? |
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| 10:32.52 | wAndyw78 | Helmi: open the window, watch to some flowers, this are realistic colors ;-) |
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| 10:34.16 | wAndyw78 | Helmi: I think you know what I mean. Matt Laptop Displays don't show digital fotos "realistic" |
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| 10:35.20 | wAndyw78 | Helmi: For myself, i would prefer non-mirror matt displays, but it is for a freind, who uses the notebook for digital photography |
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| 10:37.25 | Helmi | wAndyw78, adjusting the display to the likeness of some sort of calibrated foto? |
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| 10:41.34 | Helmi | wAndyw78, but IMO the angle at which you look at an lcd makes so much difference wrt color it seems almost impossible |
| 10:42.29 | DeFirence | !c headers |
| 10:42.31 | Trewas | wAndyw78: aren't all (cheap) laptops using the extra-glossy mirror finish on their lcds, if that is what your friend wants (and which has nothing to do with color quality)? |
| 10:42.35 | DeFirence | !c header |
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| 10:42.39 | DeFirence | :( |
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| 10:44.25 | DeFirence | !c compiler |
| 10:44.30 | DeFirence | !ccompiler |
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| 10:44.36 | wAndyw78 | Helmi: software adjusting doesn't help here, the available displays are too different |
| 10:44.55 | xand | !build-essential |
| 10:44.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 10:45.17 | xand | DeFirence: that? |
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| 10:53.35 | t|om | Hi, is it possible to revoke an aptitude update? |
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| 10:54.26 | DeFirence | ok... |
| 10:54.42 | DeFirence | wtf?1?1?1? my pc just froze for no reason at all |
| 10:54.43 | sep | !tell t|om about downgrade |
| 10:55.17 | t|om | sry, I don't understand downgrade? Where, who? |
| 10:55.26 | sep | t|om, sorry read upgrade, you can't revert a update, but you can just change your source back to what they was before, and update again |
| 10:55.26 | karmatronic | DeFirence: nvidia driver ? |
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| 10:55.38 | DeFirence | nope |
| 10:55.46 | DeFirence | i mean, my windows pc froze |
| 10:55.57 | DeFirence | the debian vm is on my windows pc |
| 10:55.58 | sep | t|om, but ofcourse you wont get the old versions |
| 10:56.08 | karmatronic | DeFirence: oh that s weird :) |
| 10:56.21 | DeFirence | ya |
| 10:56.21 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 10:56.26 | DeFirence | restart ftl |
| 10:56.39 | karmatronic | DeFirence: did you know that u can configure color of the BSOD on vista ! |
| 10:56.50 | DeFirence | ROFLMAO! |
| 10:56.56 | salvin | DeFirence, format c: |
| 10:56.58 | salvin | :D |
| 10:57.05 | Akira65 | Hi, i would like to create my Debian install CD, but, after doing all tasks of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD/, i've an error. |
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| 10:57.09 | Akira65 | Can you help me ?? |
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| 10:57.19 | DeFirence | how!?!? my dad has vista on his pc, he gets bsod every few days |
| 10:57.30 | DeFirence | i wanna make it a gsod or a psod :P |
| 10:57.33 | Eulex | DeFirence, make it pink. |
| 10:57.40 | DeFirence | psod :D |
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| 10:58.27 | karmatronic | DeFirence: fortunately i dont know how :) |
| 10:58.32 | DeFirence | lol! |
| 10:58.52 | DeFirence | quick question, how can i boot debian so that it doesnt startx at boot? |
| 10:59.01 | DeFirence | not set it like that, just do it once |
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| 10:59.10 | t|om | sep: you mean I set to an older version e.g. sarge and update the system again? |
| 10:59.12 | Helmi | disable gdm |
| 10:59.32 | karmatronic | DeFirence: http://fanpotai.wordpress.com/2006/03/12/change-the-blue-screen-of-death-bsod-color-to-something-other-than-blue/ |
| 10:59.35 | assasukasse | Helmi: disable gdm is not self restoring..he needs to reenable after. |
| 10:59.42 | DeFirence | karmatronic: yay! |
| 11:00.03 | Eulex | DeFirence, booting into single user mode might be an option. |
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| 11:00.09 | Helmi | assasukasse, well that's hardly a big task either way |
| 11:00.21 | DeFirence | Eulex: does that boot to console? |
| 11:00.26 | assasukasse | Helmi: eheheh true |
| 11:00.48 | assasukasse | is there anyone that can give me an hint about how to make a package build in a certain way? |
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| 11:00.53 | Eulex | DeFirence, yes. but with a few restrictions: you can only login as root, and you will only have one tty. |
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| 11:01.23 | assasukasse | here is the question: i built transmission on etch using debian unstable sources, it does work, if not for one thing. |
| 11:01.41 | DeFirence | the only reason i want to is cause i had startx'd from root and there are files on the root desktop i was installing, but then my pc froze :P |
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| 11:02.07 | t|om | sep: ? |
| 11:02.11 | assasukasse | the old version on etch had the binary called transmission-gtk, but the new version builds as transmission. now to avoid screwing up menues, i wish it to automatically make a symlink to /usr/bin/transmission-gtk |
| 11:02.14 | assasukasse | how can i set it? |
| 11:03.04 | Eulex | DeFirence, you want to remove them? then just su in a terminal, cd to the right directory and remove them. running X as root is a bad thing, btw. |
| 11:03.17 | assasukasse | i set in postinst.debhelper a line like this: ln -s /usr/bin/transmission /usr/bin/transmission-gtk is this a correct way to do? |
| 11:03.18 | Eulex | assasukasse, you do not. you fix the .desktop file of transmission. |
| 11:03.25 | DeFirence | Eulex: i want to finish installing them, then remove them :P |
| 11:03.40 | assasukasse | Eulex: i am using a wm that doesnt support .desktop |
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| 11:03.53 | Eulex | assasukasse, then fix the menu file of whatever wm you're using. |
| 11:04.02 | DeFirence | i know it is a bad thing, didnt realize i was root when i startx'd, but i may aswell finish what i started |
| 11:04.10 | Eulex | assasukasse, or switch to something standards-compliant. |
| 11:04.34 | Eulex | DeFirence, I don't understand what you really want to do. finish installing what? |
| 11:04.36 | assasukasse | Eulex: thanks for your opinion |
| 11:05.01 | DeFirence | lol, it doesnt really matter, but vmware tools |
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| 11:06.48 | Eulex | DeFirence, I do not see why you can't su in a terminal and then continue the installation through your new, shiny root terminal. |
| 11:07.21 | DeFirence | lol, honestly i cant find an argument for that :P |
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| 11:07.46 | DeFirence | i just feel like doing it through x :) |
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| 11:09.03 | Eulex | DeFirence, you can. open up a terminal inside X (run as user), enter 'su'. |
| 11:09.16 | DeFirence | I KNOW! ;p |
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| 11:12.38 | DeFirence | how do u manually mount a cdrom drive? |
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| 11:13.16 | themill | !mount cdrom |
| 11:13.17 | dpkg | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /cdrom |
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| 11:13.38 | Arafangion | dpkg: You're old and out of date, old bot! |
| 11:13.47 | Eulex | or /dev/sd0, if it's a sata cdrom |
| 11:14.07 | themill | Arafangion: /cdrom still exists under etch :) |
| 11:14.54 | Arafangion | themill: Yes, but you don't need to specify iso9660, it can detect it itself just fine. |
| 11:15.03 | Arafangion | themill: Additionally, you could just use /dev/cdrom, and be done with it. |
| 11:15.20 | DeFirence | ok nvm, ill just restart |
| 11:15.23 | themill | Arafangion: as long as your udev isn't as fscked as it often is when people come here ;) |
| 11:15.29 | DeFirence | it doesnt know the cdrom is there |
| 11:15.43 | Arafangion | themill: If it's fucked, you might have only two devices - console and null. ;) |
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| 11:15.59 | themill | heh |
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| 11:16.20 | Arafangion | themill: Sorry, forgot to "mangle" it, just saw you say it, and my brain de-mangled it, so when I responded... ;) |
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| 11:18.51 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 11:20.24 | DeFirence | lo HardDisk_WP |
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| 11:23.04 | themill | Eulex, Arafangion: how's this then: If everything is working well, then just "mount /dev/cdrom"; otherwise, you can "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /media/cdrom" where /dev/hdX (or /dev/sdX) is your cd-device. See man mount for more information or ask me about <automount> or <iso mount>. |
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| 11:24.37 | Eulex | themill, sure |
| 11:24.58 | xlotlu | that a human-operated bot? |
| 11:25.25 | themill | dpkg: no, mount cdrom is <reply> If everything is working well, then just "mount /dev/cdrom"; otherwise, you can "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /media/cdrom" where /dev/hdX (or /dev/sdX) is your cd-device. See man mount for more information or ask me about <automount> or <iso mount>. |
| 11:25.25 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 11:25.30 | themill | xlotlu: sort of ;) |
| 11:25.44 | JockePockee | XlotOS |
| 11:25.53 | JockePockee | pwnar Debian |
| 11:26.30 | DeFirence | i installed build-essential but it still says /usr/src/linux/include does not exist |
| 11:26.45 | DeFirence | it needs the dir of C header files |
| 11:26.47 | DeFirence | :S |
| 11:27.18 | Eulex | DeFirence, install the right linux-headers package for your kernel. |
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| 11:27.30 | themill | DeFirence: linux-headers-$(uname ir) are more likely what you need. What are you trying to do? |
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| 11:27.42 | themill | (gah that should be uname -r ) |
| 11:27.51 | themill | very fat fingers today ... |
| 11:28.02 | DeFirence | Eulex: ahh yes, now i remember, thanks :) |
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| 11:28.20 | Eulex | themill, though build-essential will be needed anyway... |
| 11:28.30 | themill | of course |
| 11:28.38 | JockePockee | hur fan kan man ha probel med å installera en fucking cp c kompilator som ägeralla? |
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| 11:29.46 | JockePockee | hur fan kan man ha probel med å installera en fucking cp c kompilator som ägeralla? |
| 11:29.46 | JockePockee | hur fan kan man ha probel med å installera en fucking cp c kompilator som ägeralla? |
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| 11:32.41 | DeFirence | *sigh* |
| 11:32.49 | DeFirence | im just screwing up everything now :/ |
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| 11:37.45 | leche_y_galletas | kann ich in debian auch den nvidia-glx-new treiber nehmen? |
| 11:38.01 | karmatronic | DeFirence: what are you up too? |
| 11:38.04 | leche_y_galletas | oh sry |
| 11:38.16 | leche_y_galletas | can i use the nvidia-glx-driver for debian? |
| 11:38.25 | DeFirence | i came right now |
| 11:38.33 | DeFirence | got vmware tools installed :) |
| 11:38.35 | DawnLight | how can i execute two commands at the same time practically? |
| 11:38.36 | Asmooh | leche_y_galletas, dich kann driver von nvidia site downloaden |
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| 11:38.50 | leche_y_galletas | thx asmooh |
| 11:39.02 | DeFirence | now im rebooting and then i can start installing other stuff |
| 11:39.07 | DawnLight | yo DeFirence vmware now/ |
| 11:39.09 | DeFirence | hey DawnLight!! :D |
| 11:39.46 | DeFirence | oh DawnLight: i by mistake deleted my debian server's hard drive |
| 11:40.01 | DeFirence | so all the work from the last 7 days is gone |
| 11:40.05 | DeFirence | now im starting again |
| 11:40.18 | DawnLight | my god |
| 11:40.23 | DeFirence | ;/ |
| 11:40.36 | DawnLight | why vmware? |
| 11:40.50 | DeFirence | cause its on a windows host |
| 11:40.57 | DeFirence | vmware works fine? |
| 11:41.23 | DeFirence | and btw, turns out it wasnt nx causing the shit on debian, so i can use nx :D |
| 11:41.29 | DawnLight | i dunno. you mean that the debian server is running in vmware in windows? |
| 11:41.34 | DeFirence | u can too :P |
| 11:41.41 | DeFirence | yes |
| 11:41.47 | DeFirence | its just a test server |
| 11:41.59 | DeFirence | the real server's coming on friday |
| 11:42.24 | DawnLight | aha. what was the problem with nx? |
| 11:42.44 | Asmooh | oh i wonder |
| 11:43.10 | DeFirence | well, we thought it was screwing up x, but turns out the / partition was outta space cause debian install made it so small :/ |
| 11:43.10 | Asmooh | i have a tablet, but it doesnt do my complete screen, but only (i think) 1024 or 1152x768, can i change that? |
| 11:44.02 | karmatronic | DeFirence: yeah you cant trust debian s default partitionning |
| 11:44.07 | DawnLight | DeFirence: that took you a few days to figure? hahaha |
| 11:44.18 | DeFirence | LOL |
| 11:44.23 | Eulex | Asmooh, what graphics card do you have and what X driver are you using? |
| 11:44.38 | DeFirence | well, when i uninstalled nx it made space, so the problem went away :P |
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| 11:44.45 | Asmooh | Eulex, nvidia 8400GS and de newest drivers from the nvidia website |
| 11:44.46 | DeFirence | so we assumed that was the cause |
| 11:44.48 | DeFirence | lol |
| 11:44.52 | DawnLight | so should i go for the nomachine or freenx? |
| 11:44.55 | Eulex | Asmooh, oh. ask nvidia then. |
| 11:44.57 | DeFirence | nomachine |
| 11:45.10 | karmatronic | DawnLight: freenx |
| 11:45.10 | DawnLight | but i want to promote free software |
| 11:45.23 | karmatronic | DeFirence: :) |
| 11:45.23 | Eulex | Asmooh, or make sure that your horizsync and vrefresh settings in xorg.conf are correct |
| 11:45.32 | Eulex | Asmooh, and read your Xorg.0.log |
| 11:45.36 | karmatronic | DeFirence: serously freenx works like a charm |
| 11:45.36 | DeFirence | nomachine is commercial, so i trust them better |
| 11:45.39 | Asmooh | hm okay |
| 11:45.43 | Asmooh | brb |
| 11:45.48 | DeFirence | and i tried freenx, and it didnt work |
| 11:45.51 | DawnLight | DeFirence: hows that make sense |
| 11:46.00 | karmatronic | DeFirence: it did here |
| 11:46.10 | Eulex | DeFirence, if you trust commercial entities better, why are you using debian? |
| 11:46.18 | DeFirence | after a mission to get freenx installed, the client wouldnt auth properly on connect |
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| 11:46.26 | DawnLight | you shouldn't have said such a thing here... |
| 11:46.34 | DeFirence | haha :( |
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| 11:46.42 | DeFirence | sorry everyone ;p |
| 11:46.45 | karmatronic | DeFirence: it was just a matter of clearing auth cache |
| 11:46.53 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 11:46.56 | DeFirence | ok |
| 11:46.58 | sam_ | hi does the debian installer dump a logfile anywhere? |
| 11:47.00 | karmatronic | DeFirence: that happened to me too |
| 11:47.08 | DeFirence | well u guys can use nomachine or freenx |
| 11:47.13 | sep | sam_, /var/log/installer on the installed system |
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| 11:47.30 | DeFirence | nomachine's deb's install nicely, and ive been using nomachine nx on suse for years, so i trust it |
| 11:47.31 | DeFirence | :) |
| 11:47.33 | karmatronic | DeFirence: i ll install freenx again today to convince you, i was missing it |
| 11:47.42 | DeFirence | haha |
| 11:47.43 | DeFirence | ok |
| 11:47.48 | Eulex | sam_, if you want to take a look at what happens in the background _while_ installing, try switching to the other ttys. |
| 11:47.54 | sam_ | but if a step fails (software installation) there is no way to debug? |
| 11:48.24 | Eulex | sam_, one of the ttys will contain the full output of all commands run by the debian installer. I don't remember which, though. |
| 11:48.24 | DeFirence | DawnLight: try freenx if u like, either way its NX :D |
| 11:48.34 | sam_ | Eulex, F4 |
| 11:49.19 | Asmooh | oh and Eulex default it selects everything. |
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| 11:49.46 | Eulex | Asmooh, what selects everything and what is everything? |
| 11:50.18 | Asmooh | Eulex, when i move the pen, it selecets everything like u push the left mouse button and then move your mouse |
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| 11:50.26 | DeFirence | someone must put in the topic "VNC FTL * NX FTW" |
| 11:51.06 | Eulex | Asmooh, no idea, never used a touchscreen in linux. |
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| 11:51.18 | Asmooh | its a tablet |
| 11:52.07 | simonrvn | DeFirence: no |
| 11:52.20 | DeFirence | simonrvn: ? |
| 11:52.42 | simonrvn | your topic mod suggestion |
| 11:53.03 | DeFirence | ye, but why no? |
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| 11:53.25 | DeFirence | vnc really sucks |
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| 12:00.01 | xep_ | hello, i have configured nfs server and client |
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| 12:00.09 | xep_ | does not work |
| 12:00.11 | xep_ | on server : |
| 12:00.16 | xep_ | dmesg --> RPC : failed to contact portmap (errno -5). |
| 12:00.21 | DeFirence | ooooh |
| 12:00.24 | DeFirence | ;p |
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| 12:00.54 | xep_ | ?? |
| 12:01.02 | Helmi0 | portmap running? |
| 12:01.14 | xep_ | yes i ps aux |grep portmap is ok |
| 12:01.18 | xep_ | do i need portmap or not ? |
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| 12:02.48 | xep_ | ?? |
| 12:02.57 | xep_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.57 | xep_ | [ 2023.560000] nfsd: unexporting all filesystems |
| 12:02.57 | xep_ | [ 2023.560000] RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5). |
| 12:02.57 | xep_ | [ 2024.732000] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory |
| 12:02.57 | xep_ | [ 2024.732000] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period |
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| 12:03.11 | xep_ | sorry |
| 12:03.24 | xep_ | i know pastebin, but i thought i would be in one line |
| 12:03.28 | Helmi0 | is this on ubuntu? |
| 12:03.40 | xep_ | yes |
| 12:04.02 | xep_ | but some clients are on debian |
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| 12:04.31 | xep_ | Helmi0, any hint ? |
| 12:04.54 | Helmi0 | xep_, I'd google for nfs howto |
| 12:05.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | xenonex, tried asking #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server? this isnt the place for ubuntu support... |
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| 12:08.55 | DustyBin | how do you get good looking terminal fonts? all the fonts ive tried over lap and dont look nice at all |
| 12:09.03 | xep_ | Ok..... |
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| 12:10.58 | DeFirence | nx is installed :D |
| 12:11.00 | simonrvn | !tell romanos_melodosg -about root |
| 12:11.26 | sam_ | i have a preseed file, the step software installation fails. The log says that it has a pre-dependency prblem and that libc6 is not installed. I thought that would all be installed as part of the base system. - Is that an incorrect assumption? |
| 12:11.28 | DustyBin | does freetype on debian have BCI enabled? |
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| 12:12.54 | simonrvn | it should be installed. 90+% of the packages depend on it |
| 12:13.12 | melodosgr | how do i add the non free packages on apt? |
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| 12:13.32 | simonrvn | melodosgr: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 12:13.50 | melodosgr | ? |
| 12:14.42 | ManuP | why doesnt :%s/NOTE:*ADR;/ADR; not work in vim? i want to delete everything between NOTE: and ADR; (there are multiple lines between) |
| 12:14.56 | ManuP | is the wildcard * wrong? |
| 12:15.12 | simonrvn | melodosgr: type that in your irc client |
| 12:15.38 | DeFirence | !tell melodosgr about non-free |
| 12:16.12 | bzed | ManuP: that works only on one line. no clue how to replace/match more than one line with that |
| 12:16.27 | melodosgr | non-free |
| 12:16.34 | DustyBin | has anyone tried out kde 4 beta ? |
| 12:16.59 | ManuP | bzed, it also dont work with *\n*\n*.... |
| 12:17.19 | Eulex | ManuP, .* |
| 12:17.35 | bzed | ManuP: as I said before - that mode works on single lines only. |
| 12:17.49 | Eulex | ManuP, . = any character, * = match last character zero or more times |
| 12:18.01 | DustyBin | now this is what i call serious font rendering, notice how nice the aliasing is on this kde4 shot: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce_4.0-beta3/plasma.png |
| 12:18.03 | bzed | Eulex: that still doesnt make it work on several lines. |
| 12:18.10 | Eulex | bzed, right |
| 12:18.16 | xep_ | hello! can i NFS mount a NTFS disk ??? server:/media/hda1 is NTFS-3g-mounted client:i want "mount -t nfs ....:/media/hda1" but access denied ........ with a stanard dir it works ! |
| 12:18.37 | ManuP | Eulex, right, i need the command for multiple lines. |
| 12:18.41 | bzed | DustyBin: the KDE team was a bit disappointed byt the kde4 beta from what I've heard |
| 12:19.04 | ManuP | Eulex, eg, in line n it starts with NOTE and ends in line n+3 with ADR; |
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| 12:20.28 | Eulex | ManuP, there's N in sed to append the next line to the currently processed input, dunno if that works in vim. |
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| 12:21.37 | ManuP | Eulex, as an option? :s/NOTE:.*ADR;/ADR;/N? |
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| 12:21.57 | SamuraiDio | help |
| 12:22.06 | SamuraiDio | my alsa driver dont work |
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| 12:22.30 | SamuraiDio | if i run esd i can use it as output, but alsa doens't work |
| 12:22.37 | SamuraiDio | i have already run alsaconf |
| 12:22.58 | Helmi0 | esd occupying the device |
| 12:23.12 | themill | !esd |
| 12:23.12 | dpkg | esd is probably the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
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| 12:23.54 | SamuraiDio | esd is not running |
| 12:24.17 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 12:24.20 | Eulex | ManuP, no, it's a separate command. I don't even know whether you can do such stuff in vim. basically, you'd do something like: /NOTE:/{NNNs/NOTE:.*ADR;/ADR;/} in sed |
| 12:24.34 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, whats that? |
| 12:24.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Enhanced Segfault Daemon? Sounds like something Microsoft wrote |
| 12:24.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | "At least one BSOD a day, or your money back!" |
| 12:24.57 | Eulex | (when NOTE: is matched for the current line, append the next 3 lines to the currently processed input, and apply the substitution you want) |
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| 12:25.02 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, what does that line return? |
| 12:25.23 | ManuP | Eulex, okay. |
| 12:25.36 | SamuraiDio | Dark_Apostrophe, As i know ESD is Enlightenment Sound Daemon |
| 12:25.46 | ManuP | Eulex, bzed i just tried with .* and it seems to work. |
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| 12:25.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | SamuraiDio: It was just a joke :p |
| 12:25.56 | row | Hmm, I am trying to do a mix of etch/lenny (I just want dnsutils from lenny) and I used method shown here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version but I do aptitude upgrade to test it lists a load of packages to update. |
| 12:26.09 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, nothing |
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| 12:26.21 | themill | !tell row about simple sid backport |
| 12:26.30 | themill | row: you can't mix etch and lenny like that |
| 12:26.46 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal noise or error? |
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| 12:26.54 | SamuraiDio | row, you can use backports (better way) or apt pinning, but take care |
| 12:27.28 | oxnard_montalvo | hello, how do I work out which version of gcc my kernel was compiled with (etch 2.6.18-5-686)? Thanks. |
| 12:27.30 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, it worked |
| 12:27.32 | row | SamuraiDio: tried apt pinning to, just did same thing. |
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| 12:27.56 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, well that tells alsa basically is ok |
| 12:28.09 | row | ah |
| 12:28.25 | schemelab | In my Apache error log I was told " suexec policy violat\ |
| 12:28.25 | schemelab | ion: see suexec log for more details |
| 12:28.26 | SamuraiDio | row, using pinning, you'll upgrade/install only the packages that you want friom lenny (and its dependencies) |
| 12:28.27 | schemelab | oops |
| 12:28.32 | darrh00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.35 | row | pinning wants testing/stable etc, I did lenny/etch etc as aptitude for some reason did not like me using "testing" |
| 12:28.38 | SamuraiDio | !tell row about apt-pinning |
| 12:28.38 | row | working now thanks |
| 12:28.40 | schemelab | where can I find the suexec log? |
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| 12:30.16 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, can you help me? i've never had problems with alsa before |
| 12:30.35 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, but alsa works |
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| 12:30.59 | karmatronic | so how can i tell apt openssh-server is already installed |
| 12:31.01 | suppaman | hello |
| 12:31.30 | themill | karmatronic: why does it think that it's not installed? |
| 12:31.31 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, what could it be? permissions settings? |
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| 12:31.54 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, not if aplay worked as user |
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| 12:31.59 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, as root it works fine |
| 12:32.08 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, then try as user |
| 12:32.15 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, aplay does not even exist with user |
| 12:32.24 | Helmi0 | huh |
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| 12:32.49 | karmatronic | themill: cos it s not..it s compiled by hand |
| 12:32.52 | sam_ | simonrvn, sorry i was called away - is there a way to specify that libc6 is installed _before_ the packages listed in my preseed?? |
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| 12:33.12 | themill | karmatronic: is there a reason why you're doing that? debian packages these things for a reason ;) |
| 12:34.00 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, not running as common user: http://pastebin.com/d2f38d97b |
| 12:34.16 | themill | karmatronic: You need to either create a real debian package for openssh-server or an equivs package that fakes it. /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 12:34.27 | oxnard_montalvo | hello, anyone know how I work out which version of gcc my kernel was compiled with (etch 2.6.18-5-686)? Thanks. |
| 12:34.50 | karmatronic | themill: yeah im using this equivs thing |
| 12:34.55 | petemc | oxnard_montalvo: cat /proc/version |
| 12:34.57 | suppaman | hi, after dist-upgrade I've got this icon for xterm http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6084/immagine1vs6.png , am I missing some icon package ? |
| 12:35.05 | oxnard_montalvo | petemc: thanks :) |
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| 12:35.19 | petemc | np |
| 12:35.56 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, what could it be? |
| 12:36.13 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, is there a /home/<user>/.asoundrc? |
| 12:36.28 | SamuraiDio | no |
| 12:36.30 | themill | dpkg: version is also cat /proc/version |
| 12:36.30 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 12:37.04 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, <user> *is* member of audio group? |
| 12:37.15 | SamuraiDio | good question |
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| 12:37.26 | SamuraiDio | err... not |
| 12:37.46 | Helmi0 | might help |
| 12:37.53 | themill | SamuraiDio: adduser username audio |
| 12:37.59 | SamuraiDio | sure |
| 12:38.17 | SamuraiDio | hmm, how can i list all the groups existing/ |
| 12:38.18 | SamuraiDio | ? |
| 12:38.25 | Helmi0 | groups |
| 12:38.30 | Helmi0 | meh |
| 12:38.34 | Helmi0 | my bad |
| 12:38.56 | themill | or id |
| 12:38.59 | SamuraiDio | i found |
| 12:41.09 | oxnard_montalvo | etch gcc is 4.1.1, kernel compiled with 4.1.2, I suspect this is giving me problems, anyone know better than me? |
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| 12:41.31 | SamuraiDio | Helmi0, i added the audio group, but alsa still not work |
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| 12:41.45 | Helmi0 | SamuraiDio, logout/in |
| 12:41.54 | SamuraiDio | ok, moment |
| 12:42.20 | oxnard_montalvo | scratch that read it wrong, sorry to have disturbed... |
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| 12:44.31 | ManuP | cant i use \n in regex? |
| 12:44.47 | ManuP | %s/NOTE.\n ./noting dont work |
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| 12:46.55 | bzed | ManuP: depends on where you use the regexp. in theory cou can use every character in a regexp, but if your program only feeds line after line into the regexp it doesn;t make sense |
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| 12:49.11 | pingouin_ | hello |
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| 12:49.53 | Thurisaz | Hi all |
| 12:50.02 | pingouin_ | go a problem at boot time, i got a trouble with harddrive error |
| 12:50.16 | pingouin_ | and i can't boot no more, it tell me to make a check |
| 12:50.18 | Thurisaz | I have a question about sysctl in Debian |
| 12:50.24 | pingouin_ | how can i do that ? |
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| 12:50.41 | ManuP | bzed, i'm still in vim. and the .* works over multi lines. but i noticed, that not every line has the ADR; -tag after the NOE: tag... so there is too much deleted... |
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| 12:51.00 | Thurisaz | I'm looking for sth. similar to BSD's kern.maxproc |
| 12:51.07 | pingouin_ | when i give the root password for maintenance, do to a fsck it tell me that /dev/hda is mouted |
| 12:51.56 | gln0fate | hi all |
| 12:52.02 | Thurisaz | which is option for max process |
| 12:52.04 | Thurisaz | ? |
| 12:52.20 | pingouin_ | so i'm trying with a live cd, but when i do a fsck on /dev/hda it tell me that the superbloc is corrupted and it's all |
| 12:52.30 | pingouin_ | how can i solve this trouble ? |
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| 13:00.51 | FastPutty | hi guys someone could help me i got this message today from my debian after it been freeze.. |
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| 13:01.04 | FastPutty | nano: symbol lookup error: nano: undefined symbol: use_default_colors |
| 13:01.08 | FastPutty | when itried to use nan |
| 13:01.11 | schemelab | should apt-get update run automatically every so often? |
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| 13:01.17 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable NCQ for my SATA disk? |
| 13:01.18 | FastPutty | it show me this too when i use aptitude |
| 13:01.25 | FastPutty | i got a segment fault when i do apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:02.13 | SamuraiDio | tnx, it worked well |
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| 13:04.05 | HardDisk_WP | my 2.6.24-rc1 kernel always hangs at boot at "Setting console modes and fonts." |
| 13:04.07 | HardDisk_WP | any ideas? |
| 13:04.43 | lbc | hi ; can I bother someone on how to append to/change the version number when rebuilding a package with apt-src or dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 13:04.44 | DeFirence | anyone here use no-ip client? |
| 13:05.14 | wols | !any ideas |
| 13:05.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 13:05.42 | liable | sex crazed dairy cows! |
| 13:05.45 | DeFirence | rofl |
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| 13:06.37 | lbc | McGyver can retire now |
| 13:07.00 | FastPutty | what is symbole lookup error, undefined symbol: use_default_colors |
| 13:07.17 | DawnLight | i need a virtual device that echos back everything i write to it |
| 13:07.38 | wols | DawnLight: like echo? |
| 13:08.08 | DawnLight | wols: yes. but not a command. a file. |
| 13:08.28 | Eulex | FastPutty, it means that that an executable or a library expects a symbol to be in a library, but it isn't there. |
| 13:08.38 | wols | DawnLight: yes. echo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHO_protocol |
| 13:08.45 | Eulex | FastPutty, or a mismatch between what args it takes and what is expected. |
| 13:08.54 | DawnLight | thanks wols |
| 13:09.00 | FastPutty | Eulex: it happen after my debian freeze.. |
| 13:09.08 | FastPutty | Eulex>: what i have to do to fix it |
| 13:09.28 | FastPutty | Eulex>: it sow me this message on almost all aplicatin i tried to use |
| 13:09.29 | wols | FastPutty: what debian version? |
| 13:09.33 | FastPutty | nano, aptitude. etc etc |
| 13:09.42 | FastPutty | using etch 4.0 |
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| 13:10.01 | Eulex | FastPutty, you fix the broken library, whichever it is. you're either mixing packages from different releases of debian, or you're compiling or installing stuff yourself, without using the debian package management. |
| 13:10.13 | FastPutty | 2.6.18-5-686 #1 |
| 13:10.23 | FastPutty | eulex i do not use other package then debian apt offer me |
| 13:10.26 | DawnLight | wols: how is that a file? |
| 13:10.27 | Eulex | FastPutty, your kernel has nothing to do with it. |
| 13:10.35 | wols | DawnLight: it isn't |
| 13:10.45 | DawnLight | wols: :/ |
| 13:10.46 | FastPutty | wols got an idea? |
| 13:10.55 | wols | yes, follow what Eulex said |
| 13:11.07 | DawnLight | i'd imagine that there would be a /dev/echo |
| 13:11.08 | FastPutty | eulex i do not use other package then debian apt offer me |
| 13:11.08 | wols | my guess is either your ncurses or your libc6 |
| 13:11.25 | Eulex | FastPutty, and what do you mean by that? that you're installing packages manually? |
| 13:11.38 | Eulex | FastPutty, ah, now I understand. |
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| 13:11.39 | FastPutty | no i just use apt-get install :) |
| 13:11.56 | FastPutty | i never touch ncurse and libc |
| 13:12.00 | FastPutty | tat for sure! |
| 13:12.06 | DeFirence | DawnLight: you suck :P |
| 13:12.14 | Eulex | FastPutty, put the output of 'apt-cache policy libncurses5' and 'apt-cache policy libc6' in a pastebin |
| 13:12.18 | wols | DeFirence: pot. kettle. black |
| 13:12.19 | FastPutty | any |
| 13:12.22 | FastPutty | ok let me verify |
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| 13:12.30 | DawnLight | DeFirence: you suck |
| 13:12.32 | Eulex | !pastebin |
| 13:12.33 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:12.35 | DeFirence | lol wols |
| 13:13.09 | FastPutty | EUlex: http://pastebin.ca/755063 |
| 13:13.12 | DawnLight | !suck DeFirence |
| 13:13.29 | DeFirence | DawnLight: why do small things always give the most problems? :/ |
| 13:13.31 | DeFirence | haha |
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| 13:14.25 | SmallR2002 | what'd be the best way to write a script to run through some plain text files and replace one ip with another? |
| 13:14.41 | DawnLight | DeFirence: because there are many small things and few big things |
| 13:14.49 | DeFirence | too true |
| 13:14.55 | lbc | SmallR2002 , I'd say using gnu sed |
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| 13:15.30 | DeFirence | hey abrotman |
| 13:16.02 | FastPutty | EUlex: so any idea? |
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| 13:16.34 | SamuraiDio | anyone suggest a good sip client for linux? |
| 13:16.45 | SamuraiDio | one that can resolve nat and use alsa |
| 13:16.59 | Eulex | FastPutty, try reinstalling the libncurses5 package. and check that you haven't got any libncurses.so.* files in other places than in /lib and /usr/lib |
| 13:17.20 | FastPutty | ok eulex |
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| 13:17.56 | FastPutty | is there a way to install again ncurse with apt-get without desinstalling it? |
| 13:17.57 | DeFirence | ooooh, im sowwy that i ask too much stuffs abrotman :( |
| 13:18.05 | Eulex | FastPutty, --reinstall |
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| 13:18.15 | FastPutty | ok thanks |
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| 13:18.20 | abrotman | DeFirence: are you trying to speak english? |
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| 13:18.59 | DeFirence | no, you just dont like it when people use words like "u" and "stuffs" :P |
| 13:19.30 | DeFirence | you are the one and only reason i now try to say "you" instead of "u" |
| 13:19.50 | FastPutty | Eulex: i isntall back the system do not work |
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| 13:20.39 | Eulex | FastPutty, see second part of my answer. |
| 13:20.51 | abrotman | DeFirence: it's a good habit to start :) |
| 13:21.01 | DeFirence | haha |
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| 13:21.31 | tdn | How do I remove all duplicate lines from a file? |
| 13:21.45 | abrotman | can the file be sorted ? |
| 13:22.01 | tdn | abrotman, yes. |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | tdn: man uniq .. man sort |
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| 13:22.09 | DeFirence | DawnLight: i have 2 instances of noip client running and they are bound to 2 different pppoe connections, but they get the same ip address? |
| 13:22.11 | tdn | abrotman, ok. Thanks. |
| 13:22.15 | DeFirence | they only get 1 ip |
| 13:22.16 | suppaman | anyone using fluxbox ? |
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| 13:23.13 | themill | tdn: sort -u |
| 13:23.18 | DawnLight | DeFirence: do the interfaces have the same ip? |
| 13:23.22 | DeFirence | no |
| 13:23.29 | tdn | themill, thanks. |
| 13:23.33 | DeFirence | ifconfig shows they have different ips |
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| 13:23.53 | DawnLight | perhaps noip doesn't support running two instances |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | themill: man pages! |
| 13:24.00 | Rusty1 | hi , I'm trying to install a Readeon 9600 card in a box, I've downloaded the fgrlx drivers - do I need to manually dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 13:24.01 | DeFirence | it does |
| 13:24.12 | DeFirence | it has a -M flag specially for it |
| 13:24.16 | themill | abrotman: yeah, I know... tough love ;) |
| 13:24.26 | DeFirence | i made 2 configs and used -M to run each |
| 13:24.33 | DeFirence | but they update with the same ip |
| 13:24.34 | Eulex | Rusty1, if you do not edit the xorg.conf manually, you do. |
| 13:24.51 | DeFirence | ppp0's ip |
| 13:24.57 | DawnLight | DeFirence: and they both show the same ip? perhaps... it is getting the ip from the default gateway? |
| 13:24.58 | themill | Rusty1: the 9600 card works really well with the free radeon driver in etch |
| 13:25.26 | Rusty1 | Eulex: ty, by any chance do you know what I need to append to the kernel stanza in grub to get a cli login? |
| 13:25.28 | abrotman | Eulex: that's not the case anymore |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | !Nodm |
| 13:25.40 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 13:25.45 | Eulex | abrotman, oh? |
| 13:25.57 | DeFirence | DawnLight: but theres no other way to tell them which gateway to use |
| 13:25.58 | abrotman | Eulex: you mean the xmd5 crap ? |
| 13:26.39 | Eulex | abrotman, no, I mean for what is needed to change xorg.conf so it uses the fglrx driver instead of whatever he used before. |
| 13:27.04 | DawnLight | DeFirence: try stopping the one that's configured for ppp0 and restarting the second and see what ip it gets |
| 13:27.14 | DeFirence | ok |
| 13:27.50 | DeFirence | DawnLight: btw, this is the status: http://rafb.net/p/vx59vb30.html |
| 13:27.50 | Rusty1 | Eulex: abrotman there isn't a automatic discover(y) of the new card ? |
| 13:28.41 | abrotman | Eulex: oh |
| 13:28.44 | Eulex | Rusty1, there is, after you've configured xorg to use the right driver. and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg provides 'automatic discovery' of your too. |
| 13:28.47 | Eulex | *your card |
| 13:28.53 | abrotman | Rusty1: did you just chagne cards? |
| 13:28.55 | dcnoye | can any recommend a good/cheap debian vps ? |
| 13:29.20 | hark | Rusty1: you don't need to use fglrx, the radeon driver supports it quite well |
| 13:29.22 | sn0 | dcnoye bytemark in the uk, xen hosting etc |
| 13:29.36 | Rusty1 | abrotman: I changed but I cant get any display after a certain point in the boot process |
| 13:29.39 | DawnLight | DeFirence: why are lines 9 and 17 different in syntax? |
| 13:29.54 | dcnoye | sn0: what is there pricing like? |
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| 13:30.05 | sn0 | their website lists prices and specs dcnoye |
| 13:30.13 | DeFirence | DawnLight: no idea lol |
| 13:30.14 | DeFirence | :S |
| 13:30.31 | dcnoye | sn0: thank you |
| 13:30.34 | sn0 | np |
| 13:30.45 | DawnLight | DeFirence: paste those configuration files |
| 13:30.53 | abrotman | Rusty1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. choose radeon |
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| 13:31.09 | Rusty1 | abrotman: I cant get a shell |
| 13:31.26 | Rusty1 | remove the dm's then? |
| 13:31.38 | DeFirence | if i stop both instances and start the second, it outputs this status: http://rafb.net/p/QCTgE770.html |
| 13:32.38 | DeFirence | LOL! DawnLight: the .conf files are in binary |
| 13:32.41 | DeFirence | or summing |
| 13:32.43 | DeFirence | so i cant |
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| 13:33.09 | DawnLight | DeFirence: prolly for security |
| 13:33.14 | DeFirence | ya |
| 13:33.14 | abrotman | Rusty1: why can't you get a shell? ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 13:33.29 | DeFirence | the noip2 client configures the configs |
| 13:33.32 | DawnLight | DeFirence: so how did you configure the things? parameters? |
| 13:34.03 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.07 | DeFirence | yes |
| 13:34.11 | DeFirence | like this DawnLight: http://rafb.net/p/DREZXV95.html |
| 13:34.21 | themill | abrotman: fglrx can fubar the console (black screen... console is invisible or it hands on chvt) |
| 13:34.37 | abrotman | maybe he shouldn't be using it then! |
| 13:34.45 | vincent_ | i'm trying to install vlc in Debian Lenny, i get some dependency errors about Dbus-1. I can't find any info about this. |
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| 13:34.55 | DeFirence | DawnLight: but i dont use the -password params etc, i just -C (create config) -c configname.conf |
| 13:34.56 | themill | abrotman: yep |
| 13:35.07 | DeFirence | DawnLight: and then it asks for each detail |
| 13:35.12 | Rusty1 | maybe try chrooting in via a knoppix? |
| 13:35.17 | DawnLight | DeFirence: did you put this in a script for boot time? |
| 13:35.24 | HardDisk_WP | vincent_, selfcompiled or do you use Ubuntu VLC? |
| 13:35.27 | marinosi | is there any console tools for authentication to wifi networks that require authentication? |
| 13:35.27 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 13:35.31 | DeFirence | no? |
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| 13:35.33 | abrotman | Rusty1: boot into single user mpode ... change your xorg.conf |
| 13:35.38 | HardDisk_WP | marinosi, wpa_supplicant |
| 13:35.39 | DeFirence | noip does though |
| 13:35.47 | wols | marinosi: install wireless-tools |
| 13:35.48 | DeFirence | DawnLight: noip starts at boot |
| 13:35.52 | vincent_ | HardDisk_WP, i'm using the Debian Repo's |
| 13:36.03 | Rusty1 | abrotman: by any chance do you know what I need to append to the kernel stanza in grub to get a cli login? |
| 13:36.06 | HardDisk_WP | oO(debian has VLC finally??) |
| 13:36.12 | wols | DeFirence: what is your problem. paste looks like noip works as intended |
| 13:36.15 | marinosi | wols: I have it..I mean EAP authentication..not wifi encryption |
| 13:36.28 | Rusty1 | tried runlevel=2 |
| 13:36.36 | abrotman | Rusty1: init=/bin/sh will work :) |
| 13:36.42 | wols | !info vlc |
| 13:36.55 | DeFirence | wols: it updates both instances with the same ip |
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| 13:37.05 | wols | Rusty1: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | Rusty1: if you're using grub .. there's a "recovery mode" usually |
| 13:37.15 | wols | DeFirence: any how is that wrong? |
| 13:37.20 | DeFirence | even though they set to different ppp connections |
| 13:37.21 | abrotman | Rusty1: once you get it booted .. change it from fglrx to vesa or radeon |
| 13:37.49 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6.c-3+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1116 kB, Installed size: 3068 kB |
| 13:38.05 | blinx | !info latex |
| 13:38.07 | hark | vincent_: vlc is not in testing |
| 13:38.12 | Rusty1 | abrotman: k, never got fglrx installed - still thinks its a matrox millenium |
| 13:38.18 | DeFirence | wols: look at the ppp names: http://rafb.net/p/vx59vb30.html |
| 13:38.21 | DawnLight | DeFirence: i don't see how you tell it from what interface to take the ip from. -I may be it, but perhaps it uses the default gateway. that is your default gateway, right? |
| 13:38.25 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 13:38.25 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
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| 13:38.30 | abrotman | Rusty1: then change it from mga to radeon or vesa |
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| 13:38.57 | Rusty1 | bbiab |
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| 13:39.36 | DeFirence | DawnLight: if you -C -c configname.conf,, then the first thing it asks is interface number (shows a list), followed by username pass etc |
| 13:40.25 | vincent_ | hark : you're right |
| 13:40.52 | DawnLight | DeFirence: who sais that it takes the ip of that interface? perhaps it uses that interface as it's default gateway when updating the account |
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| 13:41.02 | vincent_ | sorry, i still had a Sarge repo in sources.list |
| 13:41.11 | DeFirence | DawnLight: http://rafb.net/p/6F97LT63.html |
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| 13:41.17 | FastPutty | EUlex: the second thing is not workin too :) |
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| 13:41.58 | DeFirence | DawnLight: it has to take the ip from the interface, thats the whole point of multiple instances |
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| 13:43.41 | assasukasse | hi all, i installed a package with a broken postrm file, now i cant uninstall it, how can i force its removal? |
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| 13:44.13 | Eulex | FastPutty, define 'not working'. did you find anything? |
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| 13:44.17 | abrotman | exit 0 at the top .. or fix the script |
| 13:44.38 | melodosgr | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 13:44.38 | melodosgr | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 13:44.38 | melodosgr | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:44.38 | melodosgr | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 13:44.48 | abrotman | oh goodie! |
| 13:45.01 | tdn | I have an image of a disk in a file. This image contains partitions and file systems. How do I mount one of the file systems in this image? |
| 13:45.17 | rgr | urgent help needed. I just did a routine "update" of debian lenny packages via synaptic. Now I have no desktop - I can see the task bat and the wallpaper but there are no icons and I can not open any of the Gnome folders such "computer" or "home". Can anyone suggest how I proceed to locate and fix this issue. |
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| 13:45.42 | abrotman | sounds like nautilus died |
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| 13:46.37 | vincent_ | the videolan website says that it is in "testing" |
| 13:46.39 | vincent_ | starnge |
| 13:46.42 | vincent_ | strange* |
| 13:46.54 | vincent_ | http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | you mean vlc ? |
| 13:47.00 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 13:47.00 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 13:47.14 | themill | tdn: you can use a loopback device for this. For an idea on the syntax: /msg dpkg iso mount |
| 13:47.23 | liable | jeez, thats been a while now |
| 13:47.32 | abrotman | vincent_: TBH .. it looks like some DD is a putz .. |
| 13:47.50 | DeFirence | DawnLight: i just made 2 new configs: here the full config for both - http://rafb.net/p/jok28110.html |
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| 13:48.19 | vincent_ | abrotman, ?? |
| 13:48.21 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.27 | GuHHH | a friend of mine, installed 3 themes on gnome, and now it wont starts after login, it just gives him a grey screen (maybe xserver), how can we solve it? |
| 13:48.27 | abrotman | vincent_: looks like the deps are messed up .. look at the libcaca versions |
| 13:48.35 | abrotman | vlc depends on libcaca-dev >= 0.99.beta4-1 but testing has 0.99.beta12.debian-3 (unstable has 0.99.beta12.debian-3) |
| 13:48.43 | vincent_ | ah, ok isee |
| 13:48.50 | abrotman | i'd guess beta12 is >= beta4 |
| 13:48.56 | rgr | abrotman: well theres the strangest thing - you have powers. As I received your "sounds like nautilus is dead" message my machine rebooted on its own and VOILA, everything is working again!!!! |
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| 13:49.14 | abrotman | rgr: yeah .. i have that effect .. my co-workers hate it too :) |
| 13:49.27 | abrotman | affect? |
| 13:49.28 | vincent_ | i'll try to build it myself |
| 13:49.30 | abrotman | bah .. whatever |
| 13:49.32 | rgr | wierd. I had rebooted twice after the update too. |
| 13:49.38 | assasukasse | wols: how can i do that? |
| 13:49.53 | assasukasse | wols: build another package? |
| 13:50.35 | abrotman | liable: you mean that vlc has been out? |
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| 13:50.56 | dacs | Good morning all |
| 13:51.06 | DawnLight | DeFirence: file a bug and use another client |
| 13:51.17 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 13:51.21 | DeFirence | u think its a bug? |
| 13:51.37 | dacs | is it possable if i want to adduser n!llj |
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| 13:51.52 | abrotman | dacs: did you try? |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | DeFirence: watch your language! |
| 13:52.10 | dacs | abrotman: yes and i got error |
| 13:52.16 | abrotman | dacs: which was? |
| 13:52.23 | DeFirence | you* |
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| 13:52.24 | DawnLight | i don't know |
| 13:52.27 | DeFirence | :P |
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| 13:52.43 | dacs | adduser <xuname -a> |
| 13:52.44 | DeFirence | i wish someone did :( |
| 13:52.49 | assasukasse | where can i learn about the syntax to use in postinst and postrm files? |
| 13:52.50 | DeFirence | i feel so helpless |
| 13:52.52 | dacs | abrotman: adduser <xuname -a> |
| 13:53.06 | DawnLight | abrotman: its not fair. how come i gets its own letter and you doesn't |
| 13:53.37 | DawnLight | DeFirence: there are enough clients to go around |
| 13:54.03 | abrotman | DawnLight: That's the way english sucks :) |
| 13:54.08 | abrotman | dacs: the actual error |
| 13:54.24 | DeFirence | DawnLight: ya, but now i gotta change my domains dns and all... |
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| 13:54.27 | dacs | abrotman: this was it |
| 13:54.28 | DawnLight | DeFirence: ~Gnetwork::client ~ddns |
| 13:54.40 | DawnLight | DeFirence: why? |
| 13:54.47 | DeFirence | and i need to find a good client that allows multiple if's |
| 13:54.55 | dacs | i did adduser J!m and i got that error |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | dacs: oh .. that was the error .. ok |
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| 13:55.33 | DeFirence | DawnLight: because for each client you have to be registered with that dynamic dns service |
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| 13:56.28 | abrotman | dacs: i don't see anything in the man page that says you can't .. but apparently it doesn't like it |
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| 13:56.59 | dacs | abrotman: i was thinking maybe because of the "!"? |
| 13:57.04 | abrotman | dacs: good guess |
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| 13:58.01 | themill | dacs: are you protecting that ! from the shell properly? |
| 13:58.01 | dacs | abrotman: so there is no way i can add a user with special char huh |
| 13:58.35 | abrotman | dacs: you could try escapign it |
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| 13:58.45 | abrotman | seems like a poor idea though .. could cause a lot of issues |
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| 13:59.14 | dacs | abrotman: escape it using "\" or "/"? |
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| 13:59.39 | peterS | no, ! is not special unless it is its own word on the command line |
| 13:59.56 | peterS | or if you're in like csh or something, it is special there |
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| 14:00.11 | dacs | themill: i came up with a nice nick name that I like. so i was thinking of using it here and in my box as well |
| 14:01.12 | themill | peterS: yes, you're right... ;) |
| 14:01.42 | themill | dacs: not worth it... stick to plain ascii usernames that are 8 letters long at most. Anything else is asking for trouble. |
| 14:01.42 | Laser | what file manager do you use? |
| 14:01.51 | dacs | themill: so from bash if i want to add that user what shall it |
| 14:02.01 | cast | what has an 8 letter limit? |
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| 14:02.20 | themill | cast: a lot of dumb scripts that parse ls output ;( |
| 14:03.46 | tdn | themill, ok. |
| 14:03.59 | cast | always interesting how ubuntu users so often use sudo |
| 14:04.33 | tdn | themill, well... This is not exactly iso mount. I have an image of a whole hard disk. This image contains several partitions/file systems. |
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| 14:10.53 | soew | when is relese kernel 2.6.24??? |
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| 14:11.24 | cast | tomorrow, i need to get some sleep first |
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| 14:11.41 | soew | tomorrow? |
| 14:12.07 | cast | your question is OT and has nothing to do with us |
| 14:12.18 | liable | 23 just got released, wont be for a while yet |
| 14:12.20 | themill | soew: not for another 2 to 3 months. |
| 14:12.31 | soew | :( |
| 14:12.40 | soew | i've a problem |
| 14:12.48 | soew | i buy a new computer with a quad core |
| 14:12.51 | liable | there are rc versions available |
| 14:12.58 | soew | m/b p5k3 |
| 14:13.03 | soew | and sata150 hd |
| 14:13.11 | soew | when i install debian in it |
| 14:13.21 | soew | don't recognize the hd |
| 14:13.24 | liable | !enter |
| 14:13.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 14:13.30 | Eulex | soew, would a 2.6.23 kernel do? |
| 14:13.39 | soew | i try to install it |
| 14:13.43 | soew | and work fine |
| 14:13.48 | soew | but is a server |
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| 14:13.57 | liable | soew: whats the hd chip? |
| 14:13.58 | soew | and i would install a stable kernel version |
| 14:13.59 | Eulex | or do you really need a 2.6.24-rc1 kernel? |
| 14:14.09 | Eulex | !etch 2.6.23 |
| 14:14.09 | dpkg | etch 2.6.23 is, like, kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:14.20 | soew | i get it |
| 14:14.27 | |messiah| | I have a Broadcom chipset on my laptop there is some place where I can find the drivers? |
| 14:14.28 | soew | i install debian with 2.6.23 |
| 14:14.30 | |messiah| | for debian |
| 14:14.36 | soew | but i would kno if... |
| 14:14.40 | soew | 1) is stable? |
| 14:14.52 | liable | soew: please use punctuation rather than enter |
| 14:14.59 | soew | 2) if is possible get kernel 2.6.24 when exit |
| 14:15.17 | soew | with apt-get? |
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| 14:15.28 | wols | soew: there is no 2.6.23 kernel |
| 14:15.41 | soew | wols <dpkg> etch 2.6.23 is, like, kenshi muto provides etch d-i images with 2.6.23 kernels at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:15.50 | wols | !tell |messiah| about bcm43xx |
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| 14:16.08 | wols | soew: it's not debian |
| 14:16.16 | wols | and therefore debian can't say if it's stable either |
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| 14:16.20 | dazjorz | Hi |
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| 14:16.38 | dazjorz | I've got somebody ssh'ing in and he seems to be uploading/downloading files, it's taking some of my precious bandwidth |
| 14:16.40 | |messiah| | it dosen't said anything |
| 14:16.58 | wols | |messiah|: it did |
| 14:17.01 | petemc | dazjorz: if its your box, kill his shell to kick him off |
| 14:17.01 | charzero | Is there somewhere I can download old Debs? I.e. something upgraded and I want the old version back. |
| 14:17.03 | liable | dazjorz: and you dont know who? |
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| 14:17.14 | wols | charzero: snapshots.debian.net |
| 14:17.14 | dazjorz | I only know the IP he's coming from, are there any logs to see who he's logged in as or so? |
| 14:17.15 | liable | charzero: snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:17.26 | liable | dazjorz: auth.log |
| 14:17.29 | wols | dazjorz: w |
| 14:17.31 | dazjorz | petemc, well that's the problem, he's not logged in it *seems*, he's not named in `who` |
| 14:17.35 | petemc | dazjorz: w or who show whos logged in |
| 14:17.36 | petemc | ah |
| 14:17.41 | dazjorz | petemc / wols: w and who both give only me |
| 14:17.45 | charzero | liable: wols Thanks! |
| 14:17.47 | wols | dazjorz: rootkit. have fun reinstalling |
| 14:17.49 | |messiah| | I don't see anything about broadcom from the bot |
| 14:17.51 | |messiah| | !tell |messiah| about bcm43xx |
| 14:17.55 | liable | dazjorz: then you have a problem |
| 14:18.02 | abrotman | |messiah|: /msg dpkg foo |
| 14:18.02 | petemc | dazjorz: perhaps he set up a ssh tunnel, there was an article on digg on how to do that to get around isp throttling |
| 14:18.05 | DustyBin | because everything works in debian, its stopping me from learning anything, anyone have any ideas on how i can learn stuff on debian? |
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| 14:18.14 | wols | |messiah|: 15:15 <dpkg> told |messiah| about bcm43xx (well, bcm43xx is... |
| 14:18.14 | dazjorz | wols, I doubt that a lot |
| 14:18.16 | liable | |messiah|: it has a webpage and mailing list |
| 14:18.18 | petemc | dazjorz: iptraf could show you the traffic |
| 14:18.19 | Eulex | soew, if you really need a 2.6.24-rc1 (you haven't really told us a reason yet) you'll have to compile it yourself. |
| 14:18.27 | dazjorz | petemc, I saw his IP in iftop |
| 14:18.41 | dazjorz | Oct 30 15:18:29 server sshd[32171]: Invalid user willine from 74.208.13.77 |
| 14:18.41 | dazjorz | Oct 30 15:18:31 server sshd[32188]: Invalid user willingham from 74.208.13.77 |
| 14:18.41 | dazjorz | Oct 30 15:18:33 server sshd[32204]: Invalid user willis from 74.208.13.77 |
| 14:18.42 | dazjorz | ah, shit! |
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| 14:18.42 | |messiah| | the bot isI don't know why I don't se anything |
| 14:18.42 | wols | dazjorz: if you have someone logged in that is definitely not you and you haven't given anyone else shell access -> rooted |
| 14:18.52 | liable | heh |
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| 14:19.13 | |messiah| | I don't see the bot messages.. |
| 14:19.17 | dazjorz | does debhelper autokick for three lines only? |
| 14:19.18 | dazjorz | oh well, |
| 14:19.22 | liable | the 'ah shit' at the end made me giggle |
| 14:19.39 | petemc | dazjorz: if thats what you're talking about, if you dont have weak password, you dont need to worry about that too much |
| 14:19.44 | Eulex | dazjorz, that was 4. |
| 14:19.49 | dazjorz | http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=1256 |
| 14:19.52 | dazjorz | Eulex, I only pasted three |
| 14:19.56 | dazjorz | the fourth line was typed |
| 14:20.00 | dazjorz | heh |
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| 14:20.04 | petemc | dazjorz: everyone who runs ssh will find those log entries, its an automated thing |
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| 14:20.13 | dazjorz | none of *my* accounts have weak passwords |
| 14:20.17 | Eulex | dazjorz, dpkg can't see a difference between typed and pasted. |
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| 14:20.32 | dazjorz | and I don't think there's any account that has a weak password, though |
| 14:20.46 | dazjorz | Eulex, you probably mean debhelper, and yeah, I see |
| 14:21.01 | liable | dazjorz: so what makes you say he's uploading shit? |
| 14:21.02 | petemc | dazjorz: those are login *attempts* |
| 14:21.14 | Eulex | dazjorz, yeah, I did |
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| 14:22.05 | dazjorz | liable, Until now, every time I had something like this, somebody was using scp |
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| 14:22.19 | dazjorz | liable, but that wasn't true this time, I was mistaken |
| 14:22.25 | dazjorz | petemc, Yeah I figured :) |
| 14:22.31 | riboflavin | hello there |
| 14:22.34 | wols | how do you see someone else is using your ssh in the first place? |
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| 14:23.19 | dazjorz | wols, first iftop, then netstat -panl |
| 14:23.36 | charzero | snapshot is of stable only, right? |
| 14:23.38 | aaZa | Hello, Debian Etch load by default the rtc.ko module and i don't want it, instead i want the rtc-dev.ko, what can I do ? |
| 14:23.45 | liable | so if it shows in netstat, it should be in auth.log |
| 14:23.50 | assasukasse | wols: i dunno what u mean by putting exit 0, but i tried putting exit 0 in my postinst and prerm files..unfortunately dpkg still exits with error..says it cant execute the filed on the package, so reverts to the new files..but fails.. |
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| 14:24.17 | assasukasse | is there any way to remove a package w/o it executing his preinst-postinst-prerm files? |
| 14:24.28 | karmatronic | aaZa: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 14:24.36 | petemc | assasukasse: you can edit the scripts |
| 14:24.45 | wols | assasukasse: /msg dpkg bat |
| 14:24.49 | assasukasse | petemc: where are they stored |
| 14:25.03 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.19 | charzero | If i want an old version from testing that did not go into stable,I am out of luck, right? |
| 14:25.20 | petemc | assasukasse: proceed with caution |
| 14:25.29 | wols | charzero: no |
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| 14:25.43 | Eulex | charzero, you can either compile it yourself or do a simple sid backport. |
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| 14:25.49 | Eulex | charzero, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:25.55 | wols | all files in testing will go to snapshot.debian.net |
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| 14:26.05 | wols | unless they have another disk crash |
| 14:26.36 | charzero | wols: The package I want (acroread) is in snapshot, but only a very old version. |
| 14:26.37 | aaZa | karmatronic : and how can I load rtc-dev.ko ? (there are other choices such as rtcgen.ko .....) |
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| 14:26.42 | riboflavin | im new with linux, and i wanna try it with debian. do i need to download all 3 debian dvd iso?or dvd1 is just enough for me? |
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| 14:26.56 | james2b | um what version was debian befor 4? |
| 14:27.00 | james2b | 3.1? |
| 14:27.00 | wols | riboflavin: first ist enough |
| 14:27.01 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:27.01 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:27.06 | abrotman | james2b: 3.1 sarge |
| 14:27.34 | james2b | did 3.1 support sata cdrives for installition? |
| 14:27.38 | wols | aaZa: put it in /etc/modules perhaps? |
| 14:27.54 | wols | james2b: unlikely but possible |
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| 14:28.06 | Eulex | riboflavin, if the box you're installing onto has wired internet access (or wireless access with a supported wifi chipset) use the netinstaller |
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| 14:29.31 | Eulex | james2b, I wouldn't be surprised if it supported some old chipsets. but that might not help you. |
| 14:29.35 | chantanito | hi... i need some help... |
| 14:29.41 | assasukasse | thanks all, i just rebuilt another package with correct scriptfiles and installed it |
| 14:29.45 | assasukasse | then removed |
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| 14:29.57 | chantanito | i'm trying to compile ldtp from source but it ask for a package... |
| 14:30.02 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 14:30.05 | chantanito | cspi-1.0 |
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| 14:30.18 | chantanito | i just don't know how to get it... |
| 14:30.24 | DustyBin | how does one know what speed a NIC is running at? ive just bought a gigabit switch but im not 100% sure its running at gigabit speed |
| 14:30.26 | Noboru | How come 4GB ram were reported differently in two of etch boxes ? |
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| 14:30.36 | wols | Noboru: different kernels |
| 14:30.38 | chantanito | i'm on etch i386 |
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| 14:30.55 | Noboru | Mem: 3895396k total Mem: 3630064k total |
| 14:31.00 | charzero | Ah. THe package came from debian-multimedia. |
| 14:31.16 | Noboru | wols, how do i check the kernel version please ? |
| 14:31.21 | riboflavin | Eulex: im currently direct download the dvd1 on windows |
| 14:31.25 | wols | uname -a |
| 14:31.30 | riboflavin | wols: thanks |
| 14:31.34 | Noboru | i think i have had kernel up2date both for 2 boxes |
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| 14:31.46 | wols | other possibilities are different BIOS settings, or different debian platform, etc |
| 14:31.54 | charzero | Does anybody have copies of the acroread v7 packages from debian-multimedia? |
| 14:32.28 | Noboru | wols, both are 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 14:32.33 | wols | DustyBin: dmesg usually tells |
| 14:32.40 | wols | Noboru: I told you other possible reasons |
| 14:32.49 | riboflavin | Eulex: do i need to use the 'netinstaller' instead? |
| 14:32.53 | Noboru | wols, in those 2 boxes,using the same apt source.list,both have the most recentest kernel |
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| 14:33.00 | |messiah| | I have to recompile the kernel and I have the min version of debian I don't have make, what can I do? I don't have access to internet I need to recompile the kernel first |
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| 14:33.16 | Noboru | wols, same debian etch,yes different motherboards |
| 14:33.17 | Eulex | riboflavin, no, dvd1 will be fine. |
| 14:33.30 | wols | |messiah|: install build-essentials or you are SOL |
| 14:33.49 | Noboru | wols, the first one is dell poweredage 830,the second one is intel s3000ah,strange :( |
| 14:33.58 | wols | Noboru: read what I wrote above |
| 14:33.59 | DustyBin | wols: if you install ethtool, you can ethtool eth0 and it shows you all the information you need |
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| 14:34.08 | riboflavin | Eulex: alright then, thanks |
| 14:34.23 | Noboru | i mean, the missing parts of RAM will be ...missing as well as its reported ? |
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| 14:34.28 | |messiah| | in the min instalation I have the make, gcc,etc? |
| 14:34.36 | wols | no |
| 14:34.37 | Noboru | i mean the missing amount of RAM ,heh |
| 14:34.49 | wols | |messiah|: no |
| 14:35.19 | wols | |messiah|: and niether does it have kernel-package or libncurses5-dev |
| 14:35.30 | wols | Noboru: fix your BIOS |
| 14:35.43 | cast | lol....backspace was getting me ^H, ^H was getting more ^H's |
| 14:35.57 | |messiah| | ok |
| 14:36.06 | Eulex | Noboru, might be differences in how the bios handle the ram. in any case, if you want to use all of the ram, run debian amd64 (if you aren't already). |
| 14:36.11 | Noboru | wols, i mean,if i do not do anything now, actually the total 4GB RAM will be used whatever its not reported entirelly in etch now ? |
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| 14:36.29 | |messiah| | so what version of debian that I can download from internet have that tools? I want to download the min as possible |
| 14:36.33 | wols | Noboru: no. what is reported will be used. no more, no less |
| 14:36.40 | Noboru | :( |
| 14:36.43 | stew | Noboru: if you need to see all 4Gs, you need to use a bigmem kernel |
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| 14:36.53 | wols | |messiah|: CD1 or download the packages via apt-zip |
| 14:37.09 | |messiah| | ok thanks |
| 14:37.14 | Eulex | |messiah|, or use the netinstaller and just install exactly what you want |
| 14:37.21 | stew | Noboru: the -686 kernel doesn't support 4GB, it supports something closer to 3.5 |
| 14:37.43 | Noboru | stew, I see, i have noticed that kernel image,but i was thinking BIG RAM here means very big,i.e. larger than 16GB or so |
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| 14:38.13 | Eulex | Noboru, read the package descriptions. |
| 14:38.19 | Noboru | stew, i see,so what i should do is upgrade to the bigram kernel right |
| 14:39.02 | stew | Noboru: you either need a bigmem kernel or a 64 bit kernel if you have 64 bit cpus or you need to live with using only 3.5GB or ram |
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| 14:39.19 | |messiah| | [Eulex] thanks but I don't have inet connection |
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| 14:39.27 | |messiah| | I need to download some modules first |
| 14:39.28 | Akira65 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=110321#110321 |
| 14:39.33 | Noboru | stew, i have intel XEON 3210 and Pentium D 915 |
| 14:39.35 | Akira65 | can you help me please ? |
| 14:39.48 | Eulex | |messiah|, ok, then follow wols' recommendation |
| 14:39.57 | Akira65 | It's about Debian Custom CD |
| 14:40.00 | Noboru | stew, i cannot do OS reinstalling cuz those boxes are sitting in the data-centre already |
| 14:40.36 | |messiah| | I am running Windows of 32 bits with Virtual Box where I have Linux, my system is 64 bits, I need to install the debian AMD-64 version? or 32? |
| 14:40.40 | stew | Noboru: you could install either a bigmem kernel or a 64 bit kernel witout having to reinstall your os |
| 14:41.08 | Noboru | stew, does a 64bit kernel support 32bit applications ? |
| 14:41.14 | stew | Noboru: yes |
| 14:41.22 | Eulex | |messiah|, 32-bit. debian amd64 will run very badly (if at all) when emulated in a 32-bit os. |
| 14:41.26 | stew | Noboru: iptables wouldnt' work, however |
| 14:41.40 | stew | and maybe another thing or two |
| 14:41.48 | |messiah| | ohh ok thanks very much |
| 14:41.57 | Noboru | stew, so the lastest resolution in my matter would be try the bigram kernel right ?i cannot live without iptables |
| 14:42.18 | stew | bigmem |
| 14:42.25 | Noboru | I see. |
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| 14:42.45 | Eulex | is it possible to make glibc produce a backtrace by default when a program segfaults or crashes for some other reason, instead of the usual 'Segmentation fault'? I've seen that it's done 'sometimes', but far from always. |
| 14:42.49 | Eulex | |messiah|, I |
| 14:42.55 | Noboru | Thank you very much stew and wols and Eulex |
| 14:43.06 | Noboru | night. |
| 14:43.20 | Eulex | |messiah|, I've emulated debian amd64 using qemu in debian i386, and the emulated system was roughly 30x slower than if it hadn't been emulated. |
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| 14:44.58 | bzed | Eulex: afaik - no. just use gdb with the core file you get on a segfault |
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| 14:45.17 | charzero | Where might I find the acroread version 7 packages that used to be in debian-multimedia, but have now been replaced with version 8? |
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| 14:45.33 | Eulex | bzed, how do I get a core file by default? or do I already get one by default -- if so, where is it placed? |
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| 14:47.12 | nvz | Eulex: well think about it, you were emulating 64bit on 32bit |
| 14:47.23 | nvz | naturally its going to be slow |
| 14:47.36 | Eulex | nvz, of course, was just pointing it out to him. |
| 14:47.54 | bzed | Eulex: it is dropped in your current working directory ususally |
| 14:48.00 | bzed | Eulex: check ulimit -c |
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| 14:48.16 | bzed | Eulex: if its set to 0, you won';t get a core file. run ulimit -c unlimited |
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| 14:48.32 | Eulex | bzed, ah, thank you. it was set to 0 |
| 14:48.33 | bzed | Eulex: then you should get a core file. |
| 14:48.49 | matthias_ | hi |
| 14:49.05 | elt0n | hi |
| 14:49.13 | nvz | a little bit.. still working on it |
| 14:49.13 | elt0n | can somebody help me with iptables? |
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| 14:50.09 | elt0n | I want to send packages of a specified ip adress which are send to port 443 to another port |
| 14:50.24 | elt0n | example: |
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| 14:50.53 | abrotman | try #iptables |
| 14:51.01 | elt0n | abrotman thx |
| 14:51.01 | Tinix | elt0n: yes |
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| 14:51.42 | elt0n | tinix: what yes? can you help me? or should i ask in #iptables? |
| 14:52.09 | ringo999 | how can i change the resolution of the shell after booting (if im not starting X) |
| 14:52.22 | nvz | ringo999: do you use frame buffer? |
| 14:52.43 | nvz | ringo999: svgatextmode is a nice hack if you don't have a framebuffer |
| 14:52.43 | Tinix | yes i can with iptables |
| 14:52.56 | ringo999 | nvz: i don't know. i'm still quite new to linux. what does the famebuffer do? |
| 14:53.14 | ringo999 | nvz: how do i check if i use framebuffer? |
| 14:53.16 | nvz | ringo999: frame buffer is what allows you a high-res console that you can adjust |
| 14:53.24 | nvz | ringo999: you'd know if you did |
| 14:53.28 | stew | ringo999: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" return? |
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| 14:53.55 | ringo999 | stew: root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 14:53.57 | nvz | ringo999: svgatextmode will do the job, if you can't get a framebuffer on your hardware |
| 14:53.57 | rance | I'm building a debian etch home router box, that is a firewall, print server, internal dns/dhcp server etc. I have the config files from when ive done this on other distros before, but with debian some stuff just doesnt seem to want to work. For example: cups doesnt seem to want to listen on the network, Ive added a "Listen" directive to tell cups to listen on my internal IP address, and ive added the ALLOW lines so that my ip class can get acc |
| 14:54.06 | DustyBin | I have 2x ethernet NICs on my motherboard, but i now need to use the other NIC what is listed as eth0. I changed all the settings in /etc/network/interfaces to eth0, rebooted the machine but the NIC is not detected. the NIC is listed with lspci as: 01:04.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) |
| 14:54.09 | nvz | ringo999: what video card? |
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| 14:55.08 | nvz | DustyBin: um, load a driver for it |
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| 14:55.30 | DustyBin | nvz: shouldnt there be drivers for it by default on debian? |
| 14:55.54 | nvz | DustyBin: 1)don't think so 2) doesn't mean it will be loaded FOR you |
| 14:56.09 | ringo999 | nvz: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 14:56.24 | nvz | DustyBin: I can't recall correctly but I looked up a card recently for someone and I think that was the one.. its supported by linux but not in the debian kernel by default IIRC |
| 14:56.51 | DustyBin | nvz: i have the exact same NIC in my server, and its working fine, ill lspci again to make sure |
| 14:56.53 | nvz | ringo999: ah, you could most likely get a framebuffer on the intel |
| 14:57.12 | ringo999 | nvz: so what to do? |
| 14:57.14 | stew | DustyBin: what does "lspci -n | fgrep '01:04.0' " return? |
| 14:57.16 | nvz | ringo999: svgatextmode is a package you can install though and hack the text mode |
| 14:57.33 | DustyBin | 02:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) <-- this is in my server running debian etch, and its working 1000 base ok |
| 14:57.40 | ringo999 | nvz: but shoulnt I try framebuffer first? |
| 14:57.53 | nvz | ringo999: framebuffer is safer and more flexible |
| 14:58.01 | stew | DustyBin: do you know which kernel modules you are using for that card on the server? |
| 14:58.01 | ringo999 | nvz: so what to do? |
| 14:58.04 | nvz | ringo999: but it seems you are on a laptop and it could be a headache |
| 14:58.10 | DustyBin | stew: 01:04.0 0200: 11ab:4320 (rev 13) |
| 14:58.16 | nvz | ringo999: you'd load a framebuffer driver |
| 14:58.24 | stew | DustyBin: its supported by the skge module |
| 14:58.26 | DustyBin | stew: the debian etch installer sorted it out automatically |
| 14:58.27 | nvz | ringo999: I never use framebuffer don't know much about it |
| 14:58.43 | ringo999 | nvz: i think i read something about a parameter i have to give to the boot command in grub to make it work, could that be? |
| 14:58.43 | nvz | ringo999: it doesn't play nice with X from my experience so I don't like it |
| 14:58.57 | nvz | ringo999: yeah you can do it that way |
| 14:59.16 | nvz | ringo999: framebuffer can be enabled on the kernel command line which is what stew was checking |
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| 14:59.23 | nvz | ringo999: the kernel docs might be of help |
| 14:59.35 | ringo999 | nvz: ok |
| 14:59.40 | nvz | ringo999: the details on kernel commandlines and framebuffer config should be in the kernel documentation |
| 14:59.44 | DustyBin | stew: modprobe skge |
| 14:59.46 | DustyBin | skge 35152 0 |
| 15:00.04 | ringo999 | nvz: thanks |
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| 15:01.05 | stew | ringo999: run "hwinfo --framebuffer" pick a mode, the modes will be a hex string like '0x305' for instance, edit /boot/grub/menu.list, on the line which says "# kopt=root=/foo ro" append " vga=0x305" (or but substitude whatever mode you chose), then save and run "update-grub" |
| 15:01.15 | liable | ringo999: framebuffer console sizes are varied by passing the kernel a vga=xxx argument |
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| 15:01.29 | stew | DustyBin: and does your card show up in "ifconfig -a" now? |
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| 15:01.52 | ringo999 | stew & liable: cool, thx |
| 15:01.58 | stew | DustyBin: you'll want to list skge in /etc/modules so that it is loaded at boot time automatically |
| 15:02.00 | ringo999 | thats what I was looking for |
| 15:02.04 | elt0n | Tinix: so do you understand my problem? |
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| 15:02.16 | DustyBin | stew: it shows eth0 eth1 eth2 |
| 15:02.22 | DustyBin | im not sure what eth2 is.. |
| 15:02.32 | elt0n | Tinix: example: a user will dial in my vpn but is at a hotel, so there is a restrictive proxy between him and my vpn server, so he will encapsulate his vpn packages into http-tcp packages and use port 443 to connect to my server, but as I want to use port 443 for apache ssl I will redirect all packages of him to my vpn port |
| 15:02.35 | DustyBin | but those showed up anyway |
| 15:02.40 | nvz | DustyBin: my backd00r |
| 15:02.45 | nvz | heh |
| 15:02.45 | DustyBin | hehe |
| 15:02.50 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 15:02.56 | ringo999 | stew: i dont seem to have "hwinfo" though, what package is that? |
| 15:03.13 | stew | ringo999: the hwinfo package |
| 15:03.13 | ringo999 | ah ok |
| 15:03.16 | ringo999 | :-) |
| 15:03.20 | DustyBin | eth0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-90-E6-05-18-00-26-04-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 15:03.25 | DustyBin | thats the one i want to use |
| 15:03.52 | DustyBin | i think the 'UNSPEC' is the problem... im not sure where you setup the card |
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| 15:05.42 | stew | DustyBin: 00:90:E6 is acer |
| 15:05.50 | stew | DustyBin: i don't think that is the card you are looking for |
| 15:06.07 | DustyBin | i think maybe the one i need is the one whats listed as eth2 |
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| 15:06.09 | stew | DustyBin: perhaps /etc/init.d/udev restart and look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:06.23 | stew | DustyBin: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:06.28 | DustyBin | eth2 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:2F:1E:CB:82 |
| 15:07.36 | DustyBin | i see, the firewire on my mobo is listed as eth0 |
| 15:07.37 | stew | 00:11:2f is assigned to ASUSTek Computer Inc. |
| 15:07.55 | DustyBin | SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:11:2f:1e:cb:82", NAME="eth2" |
| 15:08.00 | DustyBin | aye thanks :D |
| 15:08.23 | DustyBin | so if i change all the settings in /etc/network/interfaces to eth2, and reboot, it should work? |
| 15:09.24 | elt0n | Tinix: so from iptables just wrote the soultion |
| 15:09.27 | Tinix | elt0n: a example for you weblog.tinixtech.com.ar/2007/24.html |
| 15:09.29 | L0cKn | lol |
| 15:10.27 | Tinix | elt0n: it's |
| 15:10.55 | Tinix | elt0n: very simple |
| 15:11.24 | elt0n | yes I think so, but as I am doing nothing with iptables ... it is difficult |
| 15:11.58 | Tinix | elt0n: take the rules of my script |
| 15:12.11 | elt0n | yes I'll try it |
| 15:12.16 | elt0n | Tinix: thx |
| 15:12.27 | Tinix | elt0n: ok |
| 15:12.29 | DustyBin | thanks stew, it worked :D Speed: 1000Mb/s |
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| 15:14.51 | stormshadow | ah, good morning everyone |
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| 15:18.32 | stevenns | hi everyone |
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| 15:20.02 | Feuerbach | How to find out whether the conffile was modified? |
| 15:20.03 | stevenns | anyone pretty good with iptables here? i am using etch and i wanted to install Spamhaus. but for some reason its not working to good |
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| 15:22.02 | stew | Feuerbach: check the md5 of the conffile against the md5 listed in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 15:22.12 | snowbird | hey stew |
| 15:22.22 | stew | hi |
| 15:22.31 | snowbird | whats up? |
| 15:22.38 | ringo999 | stew: back... but unfortunately it did not work. i changed grub menu as you said but also tried to manually add the vga option with a value from hwinfo --framebuffer. but the resolution simply would not change upon boot... |
| 15:23.21 | stew | ringo999: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say? |
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| 15:24.05 | ringo999 | root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 15:24.15 | ringo999 | so it didnt use it? |
| 15:24.17 | stew | ringo999: then you didn't get the vga= parameter in the kernel yet |
| 15:24.32 | stew | ringo999: did you edit the # kopt= line in menu.lst? |
| 15:24.40 | ringo999 | hmm...but that is strange. could it be because I use harddisk encryption? |
| 15:24.47 | ringo999 | stew: yes i did |
| 15:24.52 | stew | ringo999: did you run "update-grub"? |
| 15:24.53 | ringo999 | stew: rechecking.. |
| 15:24.59 | ringo999 | stew: no i didnt |
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| 15:25.43 | stevenns | ok i guess no one knows, even though i am using etch i wil check with the ubuntu users thanks |
| 15:25.46 | ringo999 | stew: didnt no i had to do that update... will try again |
| 15:25.50 | ringo999 | stew: thx |
| 15:26.03 | cast | curious. went to download 3 dvd iso parts and one md5sum from website, in firefox. i could start the first 2 downloading, but under no way would ff let me download a third. so i copied the url and wgetted it, anyone else had this PITA behavior? |
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| 15:26.44 | stew | stevenns: you should not be asking questions in #ubuntu if you are not running ubuntu. i'd suggest asking a more detailed question here |
| 15:26.44 | cast | it happens for pretty much any time i've tried to dl multiple files |
| 15:27.36 | rance | this is gonna sound like a crazy question but how to you verify the checksum of a downloaded file when the apt repository search for an md5 tool comes up empty |
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| 15:28.30 | stew | rance: /usr/bin/md5sum is in coreutils |
| 15:28.49 | stevenns | stew i am sorry i am just &ossed i cant get this to work i dont mean to take it out on anyone and i have etch on one partition and lenny on other |
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| 15:29.09 | Eulex | rance, the package itself contains the md5sum, in the control file. |
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| 15:29.51 | stew | stevenns: if you want to get help you are going to have to be more specific about exactly what is or is not happening and what you are trying and what errors you might be getting |
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| 15:30.16 | Eulex | rance, you could also go to packages.debian.org/packagename and select to download the one you want, then at the bottom of the page there will be info about the package. among other stuff, there will be an md5sum. |
| 15:30.32 | stevenns | ok i will post them in http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 15:31.17 | fasta | Is there some program that "optimizes" a certain PS file s.t. it contains less instructions? |
| 15:32.05 | stevenns | http://paste.debian.net/41072 |
| 15:32.38 | stew | stevenns: aptitude install iptables |
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| 15:33.10 | drc | isn't iptables in the kernel? |
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| 15:33.31 | stew | drc: no, iptables is a userspace command used to manipulate the kernel's firewall which is netfilter |
| 15:33.38 | drc | oh |
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| 15:33.41 | suppaman | I'm using fluxbux, on the panel, near the application menu, I got a few icons (ROX, xtern, webbroser). Are they managed via debian menu system too ? |
| 15:34.08 | stevenns | stew thanks what do you recommend for someone thats getting spammed to oblivion |
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| 15:35.09 | liable | amavis? |
| 15:36.53 | dkr | spamassassin |
| 15:37.46 | stevenns | dkr ty |
| 15:37.55 | RichiH | is there a list of hardware supported by stable? |
| 15:38.11 | stew | stevenns: i recommend taking your lottery winnings and reinvesting them into penny stocks |
| 15:38.12 | RichiH | i need to install debian on a system with a 3ware 9550 |
| 15:38.23 | dkr | stevenns: liable's answer for oyu also. amavis is a filter that can be used to run spamassassin and other stuff liek virus checks |
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| 15:38.35 | stew | stevenns: greylisting can be annoying but it stops a lot of spam |
| 15:38.56 | petemc | if you do sensible whitelisting its not too bad |
| 15:39.20 | stew | RichiH: etch kernels have a 3w-9xxx.ko modules which should support it |
| 15:39.36 | stew | RichiH: there are non-free userspace tools for it in a 3dm2 package at debian-unofficial.org |
| 15:39.56 | themill | stevenns: +1 for greylisting... using postfix and adding in postgrey killed off 99% of my spam immediately. |
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| 15:41.03 | avallark | hello |
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| 15:41.14 | stevenns | themill ty i am taking notes now |
| 15:42.12 | stevenns | dkr ty i use etch 90% of the time so i wanted to install on etch but i also have lenny on other partition so i could use lenny if that would be easier |
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| 15:42.39 | RichiH | stew: yah, the modules are loaded, but lspci does not detect it. i fear the pci ids are too old |
| 15:42.51 | RichiH | but i do not know how to update them in a running installer |
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| 15:43.02 | dkr | has lenny diverged from etch all that much yet? |
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| 15:43.42 | spoown | Hello all ! |
| 15:43.51 | stevenns | dkr not really although some new toys and lenny is easier on my laptop then etch |
| 15:44.13 | ringo999 | stew: it worked now. at least with 1024 resolution. however, 1440 (0x033c) didnt work, even though hwinfo --framebuffer presented it... |
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| 15:44.49 | samfreed | why do we not have linux-image-2.6.23 yet in unstable? |
| 15:44.54 | spoown | do we really dm_snapshot to do a simple lvm snapshot ? |
| 15:45.13 | RichiH | stew: also, how do i use a userspace tool within the d-i? |
| 15:45.37 | petemc | spoown: i rsync lvm partitions containing xen guests all the time, works fine |
| 15:45.47 | cyzie | hello, is there any script or any tool to build deb package from source? in rpm, it has mkrpm.pl |
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| 15:46.12 | petemc | cyzie: checkinstall |
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| 15:47.38 | stevenns | are most of you running sid here ???? i just like etch cos its so stable and dependable never ever breaks |
| 15:48.18 | petemc | stevenns: if you need stuff not to break, etch is the way to go |
| 15:48.50 | cast | i like etch, its not just things not breaking...its not having to download a bunch of updates all the time |
| 15:49.11 | spoown | petemc, are you sure that you are getting a consistente partition ? each time ? |
| 15:49.22 | stevenns | pefemc yeah i love etch and even lenny is very dependable ... i have 2 of them |
| 15:49.25 | stew | RichiH: oh there is no need to use the userspace tool in d-i |
| 15:49.31 | petemc | spoown: im so far as the xen guests work on the other hosts, yeah |
| 15:49.37 | stevenns | cast yess that to |
| 15:50.00 | stew | RichiH: if the module is loaded but the card isn't being detected by the module, then i think the module is too old |
| 15:50.02 | samfreed | why do we not have linux-image-2.6.23 yet in unstable? |
| 15:50.29 | stew | RichiH: can you get the deviceid out of lspci -n ? |
| 15:50.39 | stew | RichiH: it would be 13c1:xxxx i think |
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| 15:50.42 | RichiH | stew: well, yes. problem is, i can not install on the disks unless the raid controller is detected |
| 15:50.45 | spoown | petemc, good answer so :) |
| 15:50.55 | RichiH | stew: yes, brb |
| 15:50.58 | spoown | petemc, on production system ? |
| 15:51.09 | petemc | spoown: yeah |
| 15:51.18 | stevenns | only problems i ever had was with e17 on lenny |
| 15:51.20 | petemc | i was slightly nervous first time |
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| 15:51.57 | simmerz|work | I've got a patched version of slapd that adds some different blowfish mech. is it possible to have that installed alongside a non-patched version from the repo? |
| 15:52.00 | spoown | petemc, so, I'll give it a try !! |
| 15:52.36 | RichiH | stew: 13c1:1004 |
| 15:52.50 | stevenns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.21 | stormshadow | iptables iz great |
| 15:54.55 | stew | RichiH: looks like not supported by 2.6.18 but is supported by 2.6.20 and later, how about using an installer from kmuto? |
| 15:55.06 | DeFirence | howzit stew |
| 15:55.11 | stew | eh |
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| 15:56.48 | RichiH | !kmuto |
| 15:56.48 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 15:57.20 | RichiH | stew: cool, ta |
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| 15:58.53 | gribouille | hi |
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| 15:59.21 | gribouille | are the files Contents-<arch>.gz mandatory in a repository ? |
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| 16:00.45 | DeFirence | so ive got a second pppoe connection connected and i set it no not be default gateway |
| 16:01.03 | DeFirence | but when i ping the ip from another pc, it times out |
| 16:01.35 | lauriehammy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToOYTM7je3w |
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| 16:01.40 | stew | gribouille: no |
| 16:01.56 | gribouille | stew, so, what are they for ? |
| 16:02.15 | stew | gribouille: for apt-file, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:03.01 | gribouille | stew, but apt-file is used by dh-make-perl to build perl packages |
| 16:03.19 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable NCQ for my SATA disk? |
| 16:03.21 | gribouille | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.22 | stew | gribouille: no, it isn't |
| 16:03.36 | stormshadow | anyone know qmail |
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| 16:03.57 | nvz | its insane how many unofficially orphaned packages we have |
| 16:03.59 | gribouille | stew, what version of dh-make-perl are you using ? |
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| 16:04.20 | stew | gribouille: none |
| 16:04.32 | gkiagia | would it be possible on a debian system with udev & hal to allow users to mount, read and write cdroms and usb sticks without belonging to the respective groups? |
| 16:04.37 | gribouille | stew, so how can you know how it works |
| 16:04.39 | gribouille | ? |
| 16:04.54 | nvz | I just tried amavis-virus-scanner, the only AV GUI we have in etch and its seriously broken and the maintainer doesnt seem to care |
| 16:05.05 | themill | gribouille: apt-file is only used by dh-make-perl if you want it to automatically resolve dependencies on other perl modules |
| 16:05.15 | stew | ahh, i missed the recommends |
| 16:05.24 | nvz | even the upstream author has been trying to get him to update the damn thing :P |
| 16:05.30 | gribouille | themill, sure |
| 16:05.42 | stew | gribouille: sorry i was just looking at the package dependencies, and it wasn't listed there, which means that it should be possible to use dh-make-perl without apt-file installed |
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| 16:06.21 | themill | gribouille: I'm not sure what your question is now.... it seems that we're not giving you the answers you want |
| 16:06.30 | stew | gkiagia: there is pmount, or there are various auto-moutners |
| 16:06.33 | gribouille | themill, but what's the use of dh-make-perl if it doesn't resolve dependencies automatically ? |
| 16:06.46 | rwdlx | hi. a quick question: how can i change my keyboard layout as non-root user? |
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| 16:07.11 | stew | gribouille: making packages which can later be removed/upgraded cleanly. making packages which other packages can depend on |
| 16:07.13 | gribouille | themill, my original question was : are the files Contents-<arch>.gz mandatory in a repository ? |
| 16:07.14 | rwdlx | on the console |
| 16:07.15 | themill | gribouille: if the module has no dependencies or if you already have the dependencies installed, then it works without apt-file |
| 16:07.32 | stew | rwdlx: in x or in console? |
| 16:07.43 | rwdlx | stew: console |
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| 16:08.05 | themill | !tell gkiagia about automount |
| 16:08.09 | gkiagia | stew: dpkg says that with pmount I need to be in the plugdev group. The thing is that I cannot change groups at all |
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| 16:08.42 | stew | rwdlx: i dno't believe it is possible |
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| 16:09.08 | themill | gkiagia: do you not have root privs on the box? |
| 16:09.22 | gkiagia | themill: that's not the problem |
| 16:09.35 | gkiagia | the problem is that all the users and home dirs |
| 16:09.47 | gkiagia | are on an nis and nfs server respectively |
| 16:09.54 | stew | gkiagia: what would be the problem of adding users to the plugdev group? |
| 16:09.58 | gkiagia | and are shared with some solaris machines |
| 16:10.11 | themill | gkiagia: pam can auto-add users to the plugdev group as they are logged on. |
| 16:10.26 | OminousZ | Hey guys, I've got a strange one for you. I've got a Debian server with LILO for the bootloader. When I enable powersaving options in the BIOS, Debian waits for keyboard input right after Lilo picks a kernel. Strange, eh? |
| 16:10.26 | stew | gkiagia: then you can either use an automounter, or add a static fstab entry with the user option |
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| 16:11.06 | gribouille | themill, but does it find the dependencies ? |
| 16:11.48 | Backie | How do I export my gnome menu to fluxbox? |
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| 16:11.58 | themill | gribouille: if the dependencies are installed or the module has no dependencies, then dh-make-perl will work. |
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| 16:12.18 | themill | gribouille: have a look at the source code for it (search for apt-file in /usr/bin/dh-make-perl) |
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| 16:12.51 | vigilant | Anyone here have a dedicated box with awesome uplink? |
| 16:12.57 | rhalff_ | hi what is a good tool to configure iptables ? right now the rules are just there, being saved on reboot and restored on start and rules are added manually. I'm ok with that, however when I need to change the rules it would be nice if I have a better overview of what is going on than calling iptables-save |
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| 16:13.05 | gribouille | themill, I've tried with a dummy module, and the dependencies are not listed in the control file |
| 16:13.22 | rhalff_ | vigilant, yeah, you need the root login ? |
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| 16:13.39 | OminousZ | Heh. |
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| 16:13.55 | themill | gribouille: you can specify them manually to dh-makee-perl if you want. |
| 16:14.14 | schemelab | vigilant: why do you ask? |
| 16:14.24 | markofvero | Does anyone here know vigilant / Anser Quraishi? The kid msg'ed me begging for a shell account on my box to run eggdrops; got belligerent when I kindly told him to piss off; and in malformed, unintelligible English said some nonsense about IP addresses and "the fucken ddos." Now normally I wouldn't give it a second thought, but I do have an itching curiosity as to where this kid falls on the Venn diagram of stupid, misinformed, and mal |
| 16:14.30 | markofvero | oh, perfect timing... |
| 16:15.17 | stew | vigilant: do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:15.17 | OminousZ | cut off at "stupid, misinformed, and mal" |
| 16:15.38 | markofvero | OminousZ: ...icious. |
| 16:15.47 | OminousZ | Had to make sure :-) |
| 16:16.06 | themill | I was going for maladjusted :) |
| 16:16.14 | OminousZ | ah, that'd work |
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| 16:16.20 | gribouille | themill, do you agree to say that without apt-file, dh-make-perl won't find dependencies automatically ? |
| 16:16.31 | stew | gribouille: he seems to not agree |
| 16:16.37 | OminousZ | Hah, funny, vigilant's question, in context now seems hilarious |
| 16:16.38 | markofvero | I guess I'm not the only one he's asked, huh |
| 16:16.45 | vigilant | markofvero: yo |
| 16:16.48 | vigilant | LMFAO @ markofvero |
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| 16:16.51 | vigilant | dont even talk homie |
| 16:16.53 | vigilant | pleaseeee |
| 16:17.01 | OminousZ | ... *sigh* |
| 16:17.03 | stew | vigilant: do you have a debian related question? if so please ask it |
| 16:17.10 | DeFirence | so ive got a second pppoe connection connected and i set it no not be default gateway but when i ping the ip from another pc, it times out |
| 16:17.11 | vigilant | [09:14:32] <markofvero> Does anyone here know vigilant / Anser Quraishi? The kid msg'ed me begging for a shell account on my box to run eggdrops; got belligerent when I kindly told him to piss off; and in malformed, unintelligible English said some nonsense about IP addresses and "the fucken ddos." Now normally I wouldn't give it a second thought, but I do have an itching curiosity as to where this kid falls on the Venn diagram of stupid, misinfo |
| 16:17.11 | vigilant | [09:14:38] <markofvero> oh, perfect timing... |
| 16:17.16 | vigilant | This definitely has no context whatso ever with debian |
| 16:17.17 | vigilant | ;) |
| 16:17.17 | themill | gribouille: I believe that is true... that seems to be what the manual page says. You did read the manual page and look at the --requiredeps option, didn't you? |
| 16:17.33 | stew | markofvero: vigilant: please take this discussion elsewhere |
| 16:17.36 | gribouille | themill, of course I did |
| 16:18.07 | markofvero | stew: you're right of course; I just thought someone else here might know what's going on, as he seems to hang around here |
| 16:18.10 | markofvero | sorry for the interruption |
| 16:18.20 | vigilant | markofvero: na |
| 16:19.21 | gribouille | themill, the problem it that with dh-make-perl, you can build a package and install it, but the package may not work |
| 16:19.28 | DawnLight | what converts ascii to hex besides printf? |
| 16:19.36 | stew | DawnLight: hexdump |
| 16:19.55 | DawnLight | stew: i know hexdump does the opposite |
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| 16:20.36 | themill | gribouille: dh-make-perl is a quick and dirty hack for sysadmins. It's not a replacement for making a proper package. If you want it to do more, then you have to install more (e.g. apt-file). I'm not sure what more to tell you.... |
| 16:20.59 | rhalff_ | what do you guys use for iptables management ? |
| 16:21.05 | Ronin | nano |
| 16:21.25 | claudio` | Does the ACPI support provide events for the CPU Temp changes? |
| 16:21.35 | DawnLight | rhalff_: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:21.57 | gribouille | themill, it is not obvious that it's a "quick and dirty hack for sysadmins" |
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| 16:22.11 | stew | DawnLight: no, it doesn't do the opposite |
| 16:22.25 | karmatronic | rhalff_: vi |
| 16:22.33 | DawnLight | stew: it converts hex to ascii and prints it for you |
| 16:22.34 | rhalff_ | DawnLight, ok my current situation is, that the rules are just there and saved by iptables-save etc. which is very minimalistic |
| 16:22.45 | OminousZ | Ouch. I was enjoying the Fable of the Channel of #debian ... but it has a grim end (or lack of a happy one)_ |
| 16:22.48 | stew | DawnLight: no it converts binary data to hex |
| 16:23.42 | themill | gribouille: well... I'd disagree. The man page says in the description section "This works for most simple packages". i.e. it doesn't even claim to work for all *simple* packages, let alone complex ones. But if you can suggest a better wording there that would be more helpful to you, please use reportbug to send it in and the maintainer can add it to the man page or package description. |
| 16:23.49 | DawnLight | stew: i'm not good with the terminology, sorry. in that case, i need to convert ascii to binary data. does hexdump do that? do you know how? |
| 16:24.32 | markofvero | DawnLight: ASCII is binary data in that context, is what he means |
| 16:24.36 | stew | DawnLight: no, it converts a stream to a hex or octal representation. can you show me the ascii text? |
| 16:24.41 | markofvero | DawnLight: try bvi, for one |
| 16:25.01 | stew | markofvero: i dont' think ascii is the binary data, i think ascii is the hex |
| 16:25.01 | DawnLight | stew: i need to send binary commands to a serial port so i need something to convert my ascii to binary |
| 16:25.10 | stew | DawnLight: ascii is binary |
| 16:25.21 | gribouille | themill, the man page doesn't say what it means with "simple packages" |
| 16:25.28 | stew | DawnLight: does the ascii happen to only be 0-9 and a-f ? |
| 16:25.31 | markofvero | stew: I think my head just exploded then |
| 16:25.31 | DawnLight | stew: everything is binary at a lower level |
| 16:25.38 | DawnLight | stew: of course |
| 16:26.10 | markofvero | in any event, try bvi; start it, :set memmove, go to insert mode (like vi)... I think it might do what you want |
| 16:27.14 | dkr | DawnLight: write and compile a c program that printfs the ascii text? then you could call it a binary. :) |
| 16:27.17 | DawnLight | stew: i used to do printf %b "\x40\xf1\xe2" > /dev/ttyS0 but i need something that will take the input as stdin |
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| 16:27.36 | gribouille | themill, I'm just e bit surprised that a distrubution that claims to be as reliable as possible uses dirty hacks to build some packages |
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| 16:28.12 | karmatronic | gribouille: as long as those hacks are well documented :) |
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| 16:28.23 | DawnLight | dkr: everything is binary in computing |
| 16:28.29 | gribouille | karmatronic, not so well |
| 16:28.44 | dkr | DawnLight: take stdin and do what? |
| 16:29.10 | DawnLight | dkr: and convert it to raw bytes so i can send it to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 16:29.14 | fasta | DawnLight: ternary logic? |
| 16:29.27 | DawnLight | fasta: huh? |
| 16:29.29 | markofvero | DawnLight: (well not necessarily - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer ;) ) |
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| 16:29.29 | dkr | DawnLight: the "a" is significant. a compile c executable is "a binary" ;) |
| 16:29.56 | DawnLight | shit i can't stand this |
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| 16:30.32 | dkr | "raw" bytes? just change the format specifier in your printf |
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| 16:30.53 | DawnLight | dkr: printf doesn't take stdin. no good |
| 16:31.14 | themill | gribouille: it doesn't use dirty hacks to build some packages, it uses clever maintainers to build good packages (DDs don't use dh-make-perl for their packages) and it provides you with a quick and dirty tool for things that are *not* packaged already. |
| 16:31.15 | dkr | DawnLight: the program you write with the printf command does though |
| 16:31.27 | DawnLight | dkr: and it needs to be specified as \xHH\xHH\xHH |
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| 16:31.55 | markofvero | DawnLight: I'm with dkr, though; precisely what are you trying to do? Take stdin and print the hex representation, as ASCII, on stdout? |
| 16:31.59 | eth01 | how do i assign a mysql user with a password? i've totally forgot :( |
| 16:32.28 | DawnLight | markofvero: exactly the opposite |
| 16:32.33 | dkr | eth01: you could just insert a record directly into mysql.users table :) or use the grant command |
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| 16:33.49 | gribouille | themill, even if apt-file is installed, dependecy tracking can fail if a repository doesn't contain a Contents-<arch>.gz file |
| 16:34.09 | markofvero | eth01: I *think* it's set password for 'user'@'host' = password('thenewpassword'); |
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| 16:34.17 | DawnLight | stew: you said hexdump can convert ascii to raw hex bytes? you know how? |
| 16:34.42 | markofvero | eth01: not sure about the "for 'user'@'host'" part |
| 16:34.50 | dkr | echo a |hexdump |
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| 16:35.22 | dkr | 61 is "a", 0a is "\n" |
| 16:35.24 | themill | gribouille: all official debian ones do, I think. So you're talking about a something that's well outside debian's control here... But please send in patches that include these caveats in the documentation. Please don't just complain here but do something active about it. |
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| 16:35.39 | stew | DawnLight: i didn't say that, it can't do what you want |
| 16:35.52 | stew | DawnLight: it takes a stream of bytes and converts them to a hex representation in ascii |
| 16:35.55 | DawnLight | dkr: but thats not hex it is outputting, it is an ascii represantation of hex |
| 16:36.05 | DawnLight | what stew said |
| 16:36.21 | DawnLight | i need the real thing |
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| 16:36.37 | dkr | ascii *are* hex numebrs though, there is no conversion needed, just how you display the bits |
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| 16:37.37 | stew | dkr: you are failing to understand what he is doing |
| 16:37.39 | dkr | where is your stdin coming from? your example made it seem from a string you create |
| 16:37.47 | gribouille | themill, sorry, but I don't think a set of patches could solve the problem |
| 16:37.48 | DawnLight | dkr: i need to convert ascii to hex because i need to send the hex to a serial device |
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| 16:38.09 | stew | DawnLight: no, you need to convert hex to binary |
| 16:38.17 | DawnLight | dkr: it is from a string i create |
| 16:38.18 | stew | DawnLight: you are not converting anything to hex |
| 16:38.20 | dkr | and you are writing the ascii, or it comes from somewhere else? |
| 16:38.29 | stew | dkr: he needs to do the opposite of hexdump |
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| 16:38.46 | themill | gribouille: then you see to have missed the point of open source... |
| 16:38.50 | DawnLight | stew: is that the right term... you mean that hex is an ascii represantation of binary? |
| 16:38.57 | stew | DawnLight: yes |
| 16:39.03 | PRIYAN | hello is there any Tata indicom broadband users( INDIA) |
| 16:39.17 | themill | gribouille: anyway, can't be bothered arguing and it's time to go home... |
| 16:39.26 | dkr | DawnLight: well, I know how to do this in perl, :) |
| 16:39.46 | DawnLight | stew: so what i need is something that takes in hex and throws out binary? |
| 16:39.52 | stew | DawnLight: yes |
| 16:39.56 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 16:40.17 | gribouille | themill, patches solve implementation problems, not design problems |
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| 16:40.25 | PSyKo | Hi |
| 16:40.27 | DawnLight | dkr: want to write a CL interface for an RS-232 irrigation valves controller? |
| 16:40.28 | PRIYAN | hello can anyone help that how can i connect my USB internet device |
| 16:40.31 | PSyKo | somebody can help me with alsa ? |
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| 16:40.40 | DawnLight | dkr: http://rain8net.sf.net |
| 16:40.50 | PSyKo | mmh, alsaconf dont see my pci card |
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| 16:41.01 | PSyKo | it saw it, but not now ... |
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| 16:43.29 | dkr | DawnLight: no, but it isn't that hard, something like use Device::SerialPort; my $port = new Device::SerialPort('/dev/ttys0'); $port->write(pack("C",0x02); |
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| 16:43.42 | dkr | without the missing parenthesis, :) |
| 16:44.00 | DawnLight | dkr: i don't know anything bout perl |
| 16:45.06 | stew | DawnLight: you should probably be asking in bash. however i think you'll find that a lot of people would recommend you choose a better language than bash for serial port programming |
| 16:45.24 | stew | i mean in #bash |
| 16:45.51 | DawnLight | dkr: but common, it'll be fun. i'll let you shell into a box that has the device |
| 16:46.31 | dkr | tell your boss to hire someone with the right skills to do the job. :) |
| 16:47.04 | eth01 | how can I ban an IP via iptables? |
| 16:47.15 | dkr | do you have any iptables rules already? |
| 16:47.19 | eth01 | nope. |
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| 16:47.36 | dkr | is this a firewall or a standalone server you want to block access to? |
| 16:47.38 | eth01 | any *easier* ways. |
| 16:47.42 | eth01 | standalone server .... |
| 16:48.05 | dkr | iptables -A INPUT -src ip.ad.rr.ss -j DROP |
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| 16:48.26 | eth01 | dkr: will that ban the IP then? |
| 16:48.29 | dkr | er, -s not -src |
| 16:48.39 | dkr | it will drop any incoming packets frmo that ip |
| 16:48.49 | eth01 | can i use wildcards? |
| 16:49.04 | dkr | no, you can use a netamsk though, e.g. 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 16:49.17 | eth01 | k... |
| 16:49.18 | eth01 | ty |
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| 16:53.16 | suppaman | I lack the icon gnome-terminal |
| 16:53.40 | abrotman | make one |
| 16:53.55 | karmatronic | suppaman: you can do it! |
| 16:54.22 | suppaman | karmatronic: man I had to dig deep to found this :-) |
| 16:54.46 | suppaman | karmatronic: I tought it was fluxbox related then I realized that the panel was provided by fbpanel |
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| 16:55.58 | karmatronic | suppaman: fluxbox rules |
| 16:56.15 | karmatronic | suppaman: but since yiu can combine it with compiz.... |
| 16:56.16 | suppaman | karmatronic: and my p2 thanks for having it |
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| 16:56.46 | suppaman | karmatronic: I don't think I will, the computer doesn't have a monitor connected to the video card |
| 16:57.32 | CrippsFX | I have a requirement for GLX 1.3 for an app, but 'glxinfo|grep "GLX version"' returns 1.2 ... I'm running Lenny. How would I upgrade to something that supports GLX 1.3 ? |
| 16:57.54 | CrippsFX | * what is out there to provide GLX 1.3? |
| 16:57.59 | suppaman | axscode: what are you talking about ? |
| 16:59.39 | Eulex | CrippsFX, what app is this and where did you get it from? in any case, recompiling the app for lenny would probably solve it. |
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| 16:59.59 | axscode | im talking about embeded platform development |
| 17:00.02 | suppaman | !lenny |
| 17:00.02 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
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| 17:00.17 | CrippsFX | Eulex, it's project looking glass by Sun Microsystems. |
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| 17:00.32 | Eulex | CrippsFX, did you download binaries or source? |
| 17:00.47 | Rusty1_lt | abrotman: generated xorg.conf still no luck i dont see any reference to radeon or ati in lsmod |
| 17:00.50 | CrippsFX | Eulex, source isn't available. I downloaded the *deb packages |
| 17:01.03 | Eulex | CrippsFX, getting a newer version of GLX is not really trivial. it involves upgrading Xorg. |
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| 17:01.13 | suppaman | axscode: I see, I was confused by the use of "this" , "I'm new to this embedded development" |
| 17:01.17 | CrippsFX | Eulex, upgrading Xorg a la backports? |
| 17:01.27 | Eulex | CrippsFX, I doubt there are backports. |
| 17:01.38 | abrotman | Rusty1_lt: paste your xorg.conf somewhere |
| 17:01.48 | rklassen | what is a 'transition package' |
| 17:02.04 | CrippsFX | ah. How would I go about upgrading Xorg then? Is that a "build a set of xorg packages from source" type thing? |
| 17:02.04 | abrotman | rklassen: when you change versions of debian, it will help out |
| 17:02.17 | Eulex | CrippsFX, you could either try the packages from sid (ON YOUR OWN RISK), create your own ones (a simple sid backport _might_ work, but xorg is a big thing) or compile it yourself from source. none of them are trivial. |
| 17:02.46 | suppaman | why fbpanel try to use a nonexistent icon ? is this related to the debian menu system ' |
| 17:02.46 | suppaman | ? |
| 17:02.49 | CrippsFX | Eulex, yeah. I'd probably do the "simple sid backport." I've done that before and it seems to be the best way to go about it. |
| 17:02.52 | suppaman | doesn't seem so.. |
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| 17:03.11 | eth01 | heh. |
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| 17:03.18 | CrippsFX | but yeah, you're right ... that woult take a fair amount of time. |
| 17:03.23 | CrippsFX | *would |
| 17:03.25 | eth01 | i actually hate debian, now. |
| 17:03.34 | CrippsFX | eth01, whatsoever for? |
| 17:03.48 | rklassen | so i'm installing new kernels on a comparatively old machine, and all the kernel-image-xxx packages are transitional packages. what's the new naming convention? |
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| 17:03.51 | Eulex | CrippsFX, just do not assume that your Xorg will be in a working state while or after you attempt this, though. |
| 17:03.51 | suppaman | eth01: moreover, why say such a thing here ? |
| 17:04.03 | CrippsFX | Eulex, understood. |
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| 17:04.25 | Eulex | CrippsFX, ... and that you're on your own if you attempt it. |
| 17:04.46 | OminousZ | Gotta love the need for disclaimers these days |
| 17:04.57 | CrippsFX | Eulex, I doubt it'll burn and die, since I haven't had any problems before with the simple backports ... but it should be easy enough to revert if it fails horribly. |
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| 17:05.22 | homerr | i must of tried 100o distros and i always go back to debian |
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| 17:05.33 | Eulex | CrippsFX, well, it would be like apt-get install package1/lenny package2/lenny package3/lenny... |
| 17:05.36 | CrippsFX | homerr, yeah, I keep doing the same thing. |
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| 17:05.57 | CrippsFX | Eulex, or a complete removal and "apt-get install x-window-system" |
| 17:06.14 | Eulex | CrippsFX, yeah |
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| 17:06.33 | CrippsFX | I prefer the complete removal. Takes alightly more time, but far less effort. |
| 17:06.36 | CrippsFX | *slightly |
| 17:06.42 | threethirty | hello all |
| 17:07.34 | homerr | CrashandDie: nothing beats etch for being so stable and headache free, honestly i did try ubuntu shortly its ok its just not for me |
| 17:07.45 | OminousZ | homerr, I've tried a few... first exposure was to Lindows on an emachine (it's now named linspire due to MS throwing a hissy) That lasted about 3 days. Then a couple years ago, ta-da ubuntu... then, after much learning (and so much yet to do) tried Debian out about 2 months ago, and I love it. :-) |
| 17:07.53 | rklassen | abrotman thanks. I see the new wave is linux-image-XXX etc. |
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| 17:08.00 | Eulex | OminousZ, I've had my share of X b0rkage for life while trying to get newer versions of the radeon kernel module and radeon X driver. |
| 17:08.07 | threethirty | I'm having trouble finding a good how-to showing how to map a second harddrvie to the desktop (like in Knoppix) |
| 17:08.13 | lunk | i went from gentoo to debian, my time is worth more than compiling for 3 days |
| 17:08.39 | homerr | lukas: yeah i hear ya on that |
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| 17:08.50 | abrotman | misfire! |
| 17:08.52 | Rusty1_ | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/yEZvlB41.html |
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| 17:09.10 | abrotman | Rusty1_: why are you using fglrx ? |
| 17:09.11 | OminousZ | Oh! That was reply to previous statement! *facedesk* |
| 17:09.22 | abrotman | Rusty1_; is this a Mac ? |
| 17:09.55 | homerr | my neighbor always runs debian sid and arch .. not sure what arch is all about either but i been using debian ever since sarge was frozen |
| 17:10.09 | Rusty1_ | abrotman, neg |
| 17:10.12 | Seb | anyone has a link to a sarge iso ? netinst is fine |
| 17:10.17 | suppaman | I think this should be fixed, the default fbpanel config have to x-terminal entries, first has /usr/share/fbpanel/images/gnome_terminal.svg and the other points to /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-terminal so an user without gnome-icons will see wrong icon |
| 17:10.22 | cpilka | hi folks. after a fresh etch install i get following error: "W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" any hints whats going wrong? |
| 17:10.28 | abrotman | Rusty1_: see the line where it says "fglrx" .. change that to "radeon" and comment out teh BusID line |
| 17:10.36 | abrotman | Seb; ftp.ch.debian.org has 3.1r5 |
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| 17:10.50 | Seb | abrotman: cool, thx a lot |
| 17:11.06 | abrotman | !thx |
| 17:11.07 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 17:11.09 | Rusty1_ | i've generated xorg.conf in single user mode, and from a working knoppix and copied it to the HD - neither work |
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| 17:11.43 | Rusty1_ | abrotman, and done both ati and fglrx |
| 17:11.48 | abrotman | Rusty1_: RADEON |
| 17:11.56 | stew | ati is just as good as radeon |
| 17:11.57 | abrotman | and if that fails .. use vesa |
| 17:12.07 | abrotman | stew: doesn't that depend which version of xorg ? |
| 17:12.12 | stew | abrotman: no |
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| 17:12.20 | abrotman | i thought the one in etch still mattered |
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| 17:14.18 | Rusty1_ | abrotman, take a look at dmesg pls http://rafb.net/p/ZfBKcU34.html |
| 17:14.23 | homerr | seanw: i cant find the sarge iso or net install anywhere now i was checking hmmm only thing with sarge is that it stll uses xfree |
| 17:14.37 | abrotman | Rusty1_: lspci |
| 17:14.38 | Rusty1_ | i don't think x even gets to start |
| 17:14.45 | abrotman | homerr: i just told seb where to find it |
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| 17:14.54 | homerr | abrotman: just noticed you found it |
| 17:15.05 | stew | Rusty1_: is there anything in particular that you are wanting us to look at in dmesg? |
| 17:16.10 | Rusty1_ | stew just that it ends where it does |
| 17:16.24 | stew | Rusty1_: doesn't look abnormal |
| 17:16.33 | Rusty1_ | k |
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| 17:16.51 | stew | Rusty1_: can you try making the changes abrotman suggested, restart X and then upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere that we can see it? |
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| 17:19.29 | Rusty1_ | stew will do, but from what I can see Xorg.logs havent been written to since I've put in the new card and made the changes I have so far |
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| 17:19.39 | Rusty1_ | stew will do, but from what I can see Xorg.logs havent been written to since I've put in the new card and made the changes I have so far |
| 17:19.46 | Rusty1_ | repeated for abrotman |
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| 17:19.55 | oDesk | in Vim i see ^M at the End of lines ? how i remove it all together ? |
| 17:20.01 | abrotman | Rusty1_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 17:20.12 | Rusty1_ | abrotman, yup |
| 17:20.19 | stew | Rusty1_: how are you starting X ? |
| 17:21.29 | Rusty1_ | stew, I haven't been able to as of yet, standby |
| 17:21.35 | abrotman | Rusty1_: via gdm or startx ? |
| 17:21.36 | oDesk | also i want to configure my keyboard key's like (end and home) to work well while i'm on Vim |
| 17:21.38 | stew | Rusty1_: haven't been able to try? |
| 17:21.49 | themill | !tell oDesk about dos2unix |
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| 17:22.13 | tarrybone | is there an aptitude/command line way to find the date a particular package version was added to the repository? or even better, the release history of a package? |
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| 17:22.22 | abrotman | there's the changelog |
| 17:22.48 | stew | tarrybone: http://changelogs.debian.net/sourcepackagename or http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
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| 17:23.03 | vin` | or aptitude changelog package |
| 17:23.35 | tarrybone | vin`: awesome, i did not know about that! |
| 17:23.44 | tarrybone | thats what i wanted |
| 17:23.46 | tarrybone | ty |
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| 17:24.25 | debian-is-me | hello |
| 17:24.59 | debian-is-me | make install says unable to create target "install" |
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| 17:25.06 | debian-is-me | what is wrong? |
| 17:25.09 | azeem | debian-is-me: the Makefile |
| 17:26.16 | debian-is-me | makefile, is that a command? |
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| 17:26.26 | azeem | no, it's a file |
| 17:26.27 | debian-is-me | howw do I make it install the driver? |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | which driver? |
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| 17:26.47 | debian-is-me | rtl-wifi |
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| 17:26.49 | stew | debian-is-me: when you run "make install" it is looking for a file named GNUMakefile or Makefile, and that Makefile is a set of build instructions, and it should have a target named "install:" |
| 17:26.56 | debian-is-me | for netgear wg111v2 |
| 17:27.12 | debian-is-me | i see it, it is named makefile |
| 17:27.20 | debian-is-me | so what should i do with it? |
| 17:27.35 | azeem | did you read the instructions? |
| 17:27.40 | debian-is-me | yes |
| 17:27.49 | azeem | does it tell you to run make install? |
| 17:27.54 | azeem | if so, in what directory? |
| 17:27.57 | debian-is-me | it says go to the dirctory and then type make install |
| 17:28.11 | debian-is-me | the directori of rtl-wifi |
| 17:28.23 | azeem | debian-is-me: paste the entire output of "make install" to a pastebin |
| 17:28.25 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 17:28.25 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 17:29.04 | debian-is-me | can't i'm on another computer, besides I choose swedish langua, and i can't get rid of it |
| 17:29.16 | azeem | "LANG=C make install" |
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| 17:30.03 | debian-is-me | No rule to make target 'install'. Stop |
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| 17:30.25 | azeem | debian-is-me: and there is a file "Makefile" in this directory? |
| 17:30.33 | debian-is-me | yes |
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| 17:31.00 | Asmooh | u can try just "make" |
| 17:31.05 | debian-is-me | i have run make before, and it works, but then it dissapears when i restart |
| 17:31.15 | stew | debian-is-me: what dissapears? |
| 17:31.20 | karsten | debian-is-me: 'make clean; make; make install' |
| 17:31.23 | tct | how do you check to see what modules are loaded? |
| 17:31.27 | debian-is-me | the wireless networcard |
| 17:31.32 | stew | do we really think that make is going to alter its own makefile? |
| 17:31.36 | karsten | debian-is-me: What make targets exist in a given makefile are characteristic of that makefile. |
| 17:31.48 | azeem | tct: lsmod |
| 17:31.54 | Asmooh | debian-is-me, do u load the mod at startup? |
| 17:32.00 | karsten | stew: you've obviously never run 'make it up' |
| 17:32.02 | debian-is-me | mod? |
| 17:32.04 | Asmooh | module. |
| 17:32.05 | tct | azeem : how do you remove a module? |
| 17:32.13 | karsten | tct: rmmod |
| 17:32.18 | stew | tct: modprobe -r modulename |
| 17:32.18 | debian-is-me | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.22 | tct | ok thanks |
| 17:32.39 | oDesk | how i reconfigure keyboard layout? for my Debian Etch4 VPS ? |
| 17:32.45 | tct | I am running mepis and the network card isnt configured properly =/ |
| 17:32.48 | stew | oDesk: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 17:32.48 | debian-is-me | can I speed up debian? Anything useless I can remove? |
| 17:32.52 | stew | tct: ask #mepis |
| 17:33.00 | tct | mepis is quiet |
| 17:33.03 | karsten | debian-is-me: A well-constructed makefile should just have a 'make install' target and find it. |
| 17:33.10 | tct | noone is alive in that channel |
| 17:33.13 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 17:33.17 | azeem | tct: wait a few fours |
| 17:33.18 | azeem | hours* |
| 17:33.20 | tct | haha |
| 17:33.21 | stew | tct: try a mepis mailinglist |
| 17:33.39 | tct | running between computers is tiresum =/ |
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| 17:33.41 | tct | ok |
| 17:33.45 | karsten | debian-is-me: Profile your system, see what's bottlenecking your system (cpu, disk, memory, network, other), and find a way to remove or work around the bottleneck. |
| 17:34.07 | debian-is-me | it said at the end no rule to make target 'install' |
| 17:34.10 | sakitram | hi, "apt-get install java-package" outputs "E: Couldn't find package java-package". What to do? |
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| 17:34.14 | karsten | tct: That's why God, erm, Bob Metcalf (who is _not_ God) invented Ethernet. |
| 17:34.22 | stew | sakitram: its in contrib, /msg dpkg contrib |
| 17:34.24 | karsten | !java |
| 17:34.24 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 17:34.41 | stew | sakitram: do you realize the debian now distributes sun jdks and jres in non-free ? |
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| 17:35.33 | sakitram | stew: I do think so. |
| 17:35.40 | sakitram | stew: I do not think so. |
| 17:35.42 | debian-is-me | My motherboard uses 30 sec on finding my hardrives, so it takes a total of 1 minute and 40 seconds to boot debian |
| 17:35.46 | stew | !info sun-java5-jre |
| 17:35.48 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7288 kB, Installed size: 16184 kB |
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| 17:36.03 | karsten | debian-is-me: Is that a BIOS or kernel timeout? |
| 17:36.10 | debian-is-me | BIOS |
| 17:36.15 | debian-is-me | before it loads grub |
| 17:36.26 | karsten | debian-is-me: ... and it sounds as though what you're trying to do isn't "speed up Linux" but "speed up boot time". |
| 17:36.34 | debian-is-me | 30 sec before it has discovered the two hardrives |
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| 17:36.36 | stew | sakitram: http://packages.debian.org/sun-java5 |
| 17:36.46 | sakitram | stew: thanks |
| 17:36.47 | themill | sakitram: sun-java5-jre (and -plugin) is in the non-free section of etch; sun-java6* are in backports.org |
| 17:36.50 | karsten | debian-is-me: What sort of hardware, what BIOS, what HD and HD controller? |
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| 17:37.08 | debian-is-me | Yeah, but if I speed up debian 30 sec then I won't have to care about the slow motherbord |
| 17:37.09 | Asmooh | eh |
| 17:37.10 | themill | sakitram: /msg dpkg install java |
| 17:37.18 | Asmooh | apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 17:37.18 | debian-is-me | IDE, fujitsu simens and samsung |
| 17:37.19 | Asmooh | :) |
| 17:37.21 | jelly | is there an amd64 bot? |
| 17:38.01 | printer | Hi all; any idea how to create a self-extracting archive (for Windows) within linux? |
| 17:38.04 | debian-is-me | award bios |
| 17:38.10 | Asmooh | debian-is-me, maybe an driver issue |
| 17:38.13 | Asmooh | what chipset? |
| 17:38.16 | stew | jelly: no but i'm thought of changing aptitude to be amd64. ravenbird searches ppc iirc |
| 17:38.26 | debian-is-me | not sure, I'll just open it |
| 17:38.42 | Asmooh | well rebuild kernel with the right drivers/chipset support |
| 17:38.45 | Asmooh | would help a lot |
| 17:39.11 | jelly | stew: ok. Doing !info xxxx is quicker than going to packages.d.o :-) |
| 17:39.13 | debian-is-me | aopen ak33 |
| 17:39.16 | Asmooh | ooh |
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| 17:39.22 | Asmooh | Celeron/P3 ? |
| 17:39.22 | stew | Asmooh: by alot you mean the few seconds it takes to unpack the initrd? |
| 17:39.32 | infostar | Software exists to give support to clients windows from Linux??? |
| 17:39.40 | Asmooh | stew, newer chipsets really slowdown on old kernels |
| 17:39.47 | Ronin | infostar: depends, what support do you mean |
| 17:39.56 | karsten | debian-is-me: For some SCSI cards, you can disable at-boot LUN scan, which may improve behavior markedly. If this is a server or desktop, one solution is to not boot the damned thing so frequently (I generally see 60-300+ day uptimes at work). For laptops, use swsusp (software suspend) for faster startups and user desktop state preservation. |
| 17:40.14 | oDesk | !info col |
| 17:40.22 | karsten | debian-is-me: dmidecode should dientify most of your HW. What's the system manufacturer? |
| 17:40.27 | stew | Asmooh: really? like using the same driver on 2.6.18 would be noticably slower than 2.6.22 on the same driver? or what? |
| 17:40.29 | debian-is-me | karsten: the driver keeps dissapearing. |
| 17:40.30 | karsten | oDesk: /msg the bots please. |
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| 17:40.41 | karsten | debian-is-me: What driver? |
| 17:40.49 | oDesk | karsten: ok |
| 17:40.54 | debian-is-me | the wireless |
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| 17:40.58 | karsten | debian-is-me: echo "drivername" >> /etc/modules |
| 17:41.04 | Nigromante | debian-is-me, check you dont have to buy a new PC |
| 17:41.04 | debian-is-me | the one i wanned to make install |
| 17:41.10 | imagine | Hi, I'm wondering how mnay of the dvds I need to burn to get a basic Debian install on a server? |
| 17:41.11 | karsten | debian-is-me: Should load it on startup and keep it loaded. |
| 17:41.25 | Nigromante | imagine, no dvds |
| 17:41.27 | debian-is-me | donno the drivername |
| 17:41.28 | Asmooh | stew, well as far as i Know; on all my Nforce chipsets and installing debian with 2.6.18 the driver support is bad, recompiline 2.6.22+ makes debian a lot faster, because 2.6.18 nforce support is slow |
| 17:41.29 | oDesk | themill: i still don't know how to remove this ^M from end of lines ? |
| 17:41.32 | karsten | debian-is-me: "disappearing" == the file disappears, or the driver module is unloaded after it's loaded. |
| 17:41.32 | imagine | Nigromante: ? |
| 17:41.40 | oDesk | themill: on Vim |
| 17:41.41 | stew | Asmooh: how did you measure the speedup? |
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| 17:41.46 | Nigromante | just 1st cd or netinst cd |
| 17:41.52 | karsten | oDesk: 'tr -s '\r' '' <file |
| 17:41.55 | imagine | Nigromante: good ty :) |
| 17:42.16 | Asmooh | stew, i didnt check the ms, but after rebuild it feels like 2/3times faster than on default kernel |
| 17:42.18 | debian-is-me | after restart the card isn't in knetworkmanager |
| 17:42.35 | themill | oDesk: you can't do it within vim, do it outside of vim using any of those tools dpkg told you about |
| 17:42.41 | stew | Asmooh: 2-3 times? that is huge. which driver in particular are you talking about? the hard disk controller? or what? |
| 17:42.43 | karsten | oDesk: Those are DOS-style carriage returns. Linux uses linefeeds. In vim: %s/ |
| 17:42.48 | stew | Asmooh: btw i didn't notice a difference at all here |
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| 17:43.03 | karsten | oDesk: erm: in vim: :%s/^M// |
| 17:43.12 | karsten | oDesk: ... where '^M' == ctrl-m |
| 17:43.14 | Asmooh | stew, everything, debian see's everything with my mainboard and chipset as "unknown" i need to recompile to have support |
| 17:43.20 | david_ | hello there debian people! |
| 17:43.29 | karsten | david_: You presume. |
| 17:43.38 | stew | Asmooh: where do you see "unknown"? |
| 17:43.44 | david_ | I cannot manage repositories in adept (the button is grayed out) |
| 17:43.58 | themill | karsten: ^V^M might work... ^M on its own won't |
| 17:44.06 | Nigromante | imagine, take into account that you usually have to download from debian servers security updates, anyway. So burning full dvds is useless |
| 17:44.12 | oDesk | karsten: :%s/^M// #=>no match found |
| 17:44.13 | karsten | themill: Try it and report back. Works for me. |
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| 17:44.21 | stew | Asmooh: in lspci? |
| 17:44.25 | themill | karsten: doesn't work for me... I did try it |
| 17:44.27 | Asmooh | stew, well not anymore, but lspci dont knows what my mainboard is, everything on it is inknown; when i recompile the kernel to 2.6.22.x i saw nvidia nforce |
| 17:44.37 | imagine | Nigromante: thought so.. first debian server here hehe. :) |
| 17:44.39 | debian-is-me | why woont this wireless thing work? |
| 17:44.45 | stew | Asmooh: that has nothing to do with recompiling your kernel, it has to do with running "update-pciids" |
| 17:44.46 | Rusty1_lt | stew, abrotman vesa got me a x session (no mouse) using startx in a init=/bin/bash but still no boot from grub |
| 17:44.48 | Nigromante | i recommend netinst CD |
| 17:44.54 | themill | karsten: hit Ctrl+M and it takes it to be hitting enter and says that the replace syntax is bollox |
| 17:44.55 | Rusty1_ | http://rafb.net/p/a7e1vw93.html |
| 17:45.00 | debian-is-me | is it because I deleted a dircotry, when they asked me too? |
| 17:45.01 | humbolto | I am having a very weird networking problem! |
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| 17:45.16 | Asmooh | stew, well then explain why the system is a lot faster after rebuild the kernel with an newer one? |
| 17:45.24 | debian-is-me | I also havr a wireless network poblem |
| 17:45.29 | karsten | themill: You may be right. |
| 17:45.29 | stew | Asmooh: i dont' believe that your system got 2-3 times faster by upgrading your kernel |
| 17:45.41 | humbolto | My NIC shows up with the wrong MAC address on my Cisco switch. The MAC there is not the MAC ifconfig is showing! |
| 17:45.49 | stew | Asmooh: i have no explanation, which is why i'm asking you these questions |
| 17:45.50 | Asmooh | stew, some kernels arnt even supported (newer intel chipsets) |
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| 17:45.59 | imagine | Nigromante: yeah, I'm downloading it atm, I hesitated between net and usb stick.. but I'll go with the netinst.. Ty again :) |
| 17:46.00 | stew | Asmooh: which kernels aren't supported? |
| 17:46.01 | infostar | Ronin I need something similar to this http://eu.ntrsupport.com/web/home.asp?lang=en&owner= |
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| 17:46.10 | oDesk | karsten: tr -s '\r' '' < file #=> tr: when not truncating set1, string2 must be non-empty |
| 17:46.14 | Nigromante | np imagine |
| 17:46.15 | jelly | karsten: pwned |
| 17:46.23 | humbolto | Anybody up for solving this very weird issue? |
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| 17:46.35 | Asmooh | stew, on the default 2.6.18 intall kernel u wont have intel chipset support (lastst chipsets) |
| 17:46.36 | humbolto | A riddle it is to me. |
| 17:46.37 | karsten | oDesk: Than RTFM tr and fix my borked code. |
| 17:46.40 | rubystallion | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.44 | karsten | jelly: Yeah. |
| 17:46.48 | stew | Asmooh: what do you mean by chipset support? |
| 17:46.53 | themill | karsten: cp foo bar; todos foo; cat foo bar > quux :) |
| 17:46.54 | debian-is-me | http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing this is the page that told me what to do, what to do? |
| 17:46.59 | karsten | man clear | col -b | unix2dos > /tmp/dosfile |
| 17:47.08 | jelly | karsten: I'd suggest using joe or some other broken editor :-) but it got smart lately, too |
| 17:47.10 | karsten | OK, now to change the first line-ending to non-^M |
| 17:47.12 | Asmooh | stew, like: it doesnt detect any controllers. onboard stuff; pci bridge and more |
| 17:47.24 | karsten | jelly: bash: joe: command not found |
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| 17:47.37 | stew | Asmooh: ok. does this have anythign to do with our discussion? |
| 17:47.39 | karsten | jelly: ... and I'm running my ssytem update ATM. |
| 17:47.44 | karsten | jelly: ... or I'd JFII |
| 17:47.58 | themill | karsten: and that ^M substitution doesn't work ;( it's pulling out something that I yanked some time ago. |
| 17:48.04 | null | Question: /join #xorg |
| 17:48.07 | null | err |
| 17:48.20 | karsten | null: Answer: 42 |
| 17:48.22 | Asmooh | stew, well yes; as u can see the default 2.6.18 kernel it not that good; it doesnt support everything; and slowdown your system with "old" drivers on a new mainboard |
| 17:48.22 | jelly | /nick Answer |
| 17:48.41 | debian-is-me | Can I import a wpa certificate from Windows to linux? |
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| 17:48.52 | tnks_ | Where's the right place to put a swapfile? |
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| 17:49.02 | oDesk | karsten: dos2unix, not installed.. it's not found by apt-get |
| 17:49.07 | stew | Asmooh: i think it is good. and no kenrel supports everything. I still don't see any reason to belive that 2.6.18 would significantly slow down your machine |
| 17:49.14 | Asmooh | linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2 20-Sep-2006 03:56 40M |
| 17:49.14 | tnks_ | The FHS doesn't say explicitly, but I was thinking somewhere in /var |
| 17:49.19 | themill | oDesk: it's in the package tofrodos, just as dpkg said |
| 17:49.27 | Asmooh | stew, see above |
| 17:49.38 | Asmooh | the kernel is 1 year older then my mainboard/chipset |
| 17:50.06 | stew | axscode: ok |
| 17:50.22 | Asmooh | and yes, u can have support; but not that optimalisated as newer drivers |
| 17:50.36 | stew | Asmooh: how did you determine the age of your chipset? |
| 17:50.54 | petemc | optimalisated, nice |
| 17:51.04 | jelly | Asmooh: that's if you're lucky enough for your hardware to even work with 2.6.18. There's 2.6.22 at backports.org. |
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| 17:51.06 | stew | Asmooh: what kind of optimalizations have they done? |
| 17:51.07 | karsten | oDesk: There's traditionally a set of unix2dos and dos2unix utilities somewhere. I rarely use them. /msg dpkg search |
| 17:51.17 | abrotman | petemc: you've been wordified! |
| 17:51.17 | Asmooh | stew, check the nvidia site/support/driver and stuff; then u know what chipsets are released on the year |
| 17:51.23 | oDesk | karsten: i installed it, thanks |
| 17:51.27 | debian-is-me | is there a problem running make before make install= |
| 17:51.28 | debian-is-me | ?? |
| 17:51.33 | themill | karsten: dpkg has already told him where they are :) |
| 17:51.35 | petemc | heh |
| 17:51.36 | jelly | abrotman: more like wordificated |
| 17:51.46 | themill | verbification is good.... |
| 17:52.03 | Asmooh | jelly, yea it worked for me, but slow |
| 17:52.05 | abrotman | adverbisizing is great! |
| 17:52.06 | karsten | oDesk: 'apt-cache search dos2unix' and 'auto-apt search dos2unix' both indicate the package(s). |
| 17:52.23 | stew | jelly: he's saying that 2.6.18 was 2-3 times slower for him than 2.6.22, i'm trying to figure out why that might be |
| 17:52.36 | karsten | themill: Yeah, yeah. |
| 17:52.50 | jelly | stew: generic-ide, for example. |
| 17:52.51 | karsten | themill: I haven't had my coffee yet. That's my line and I'm sticking to it. |
| 17:52.59 | themill | !coffee karsten |
| 17:53.03 | karsten | !tell oDesk about search |
| 17:53.07 | karsten | themill: Danke. |
| 17:53.17 | oDesk | karsten: thanks for the lots of info |
| 17:53.29 | karsten | oDesk: Great thing about Debian and its packaging system: it's *really* easy to find a given tool or file. |
| 17:53.35 | oDesk | karsten: iget the ^M removed using 'dos2unix -d file' |
| 17:53.35 | karsten | oDesk: NP |
| 17:53.44 | karsten | oDesk: Good. |
| 17:54.02 | tralala | are wep and wpa-psk the same thing? |
| 17:54.06 | themill | oDesk: yep, that will work nicely. or tr -d '\r' |
| 17:54.08 | jelly | stew: 2.6.18 got some really nice sata resets at boot on this desktop I'm currently using. After about 5 minutes of sata errors, it would eventually boot |
| 17:54.10 | stew | jelly: does ide-generic support sata? |
| 17:54.20 | xingu | stew: he doesn't have the metrics you need to quantify, so you're tilting at windmills; could be "io" slow, "scheduling" slow, "screaming irq" slow, "memory allocator" slow, ... |
| 17:54.28 | jelly | stew: no, it supports ide |
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| 17:54.42 | Asmooh | jelly, thats one; but the default drivers for cpu support, the lastest chipset support and stuff arnt in a kernel thats a year to old |
| 17:54.50 | oDesk | themill: thank you |
| 17:55.03 | karsten | OK: echo "This is not a dos line" >/tmp/dosfile; man clear | col -b | unix2dos >>/tmp/dosfile; vim /tmp/dosfile |
| 17:55.05 | debian-is-me | Should I have to insmod 5-6 things at startup to make a networkcard work? |
| 17:55.12 | karsten | Then: :%s/^M//g |
| 17:55.14 | stew | Asmooh: there aren't drivers for cpu support |
| 17:55.16 | karsten | ... works. |
| 17:55.20 | jelly | Asmooh: I have no idea what you mean by cpu support |
| 17:55.29 | Asmooh | stew, Nbridge support |
| 17:55.31 | petemc | debian-is-me: thats not the norm, no |
| 17:55.37 | Asmooh | Sbridge support |
| 17:55.43 | karsten | debian-is-me: Depends on the specific network card. |
| 17:55.52 | karsten | debian-is-me: What 5-6 things are you insmoding? |
| 17:55.52 | Asmooh | remember; the speed of NB en SB are a lot faster then in 2006 |
| 17:56.04 | Asmooh | and if u dont use the speed/support it, it will be slower |
| 17:56.06 | themill | karsten: as long as you ^V^M.... |
| 17:56.11 | karsten | themill: Nope |
| 17:56.15 | stew | Asmooh: you are incorrect |
| 17:56.21 | debian-is-me | sudo insmod ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt-rtl.ko |
| 17:56.22 | debian-is-me | sudo insmod ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_wep-rtl.ko |
| 17:56.23 | karsten | themill: Doh. |
| 17:56.24 | debian-is-me | sudo insmod ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_tkip-rtl.ko |
| 17:56.25 | debian-is-me | sudo insmod ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_ccmp-rtl.ko |
| 17:56.27 | debian-is-me | sudo insmod ieee80211/ieee80211-rtl.ko |
| 17:56.32 | karsten | themill: You know, my fingers are smarter than my brain. |
| 17:56.34 | tralala | debian-is-me, if you use modprobe you'd need to do only the actual module |
| 17:56.35 | jelly | debian-is-me: STOP |
| 17:56.38 | themill | !tell debian-is-me about paste |
| 17:56.42 | debian-is-me | and a couple more |
| 17:56.48 | stew | Asmooh: the speed of the southbridge/northbridge are not affected by the kernel |
| 17:56.56 | karsten | themill: I was typing ^V^M, I was saying ^M. |
| 17:57.02 | themill | heh :) |
| 17:57.09 | debian-is-me | what should I modprobe? |
| 17:57.13 | Asmooh | stew, no, the chipset thats supported; and thats an older one ;) |
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| 17:57.50 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I _could_ have been using vi longer than you'd been alive, but I only really started to use it around 1986. |
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| 17:58.22 | debian-is-me | tralala: What should I modprobe? |
| 17:58.33 | xingu | Asmooh: it'd be more useful to qualify exactly what changed between the two kernels, and exactly how this impacted your performance profiles, than run around conflating the idea of "newness" with "speed" |
| 17:58.36 | null | Question: Running dual monitor TwinView+Xinerama on Nvidia 7600GS; secondary monitor only works (at wrong resolution) if I set an incorrect MetaModes option so that it reverts to nvidia-auto-select. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m2eb918cbc ; Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m3edd81f |
| 17:58.48 | xingu | Asmooh: the former will teach you something; the latter tends to cloud real faults. |
| 17:59.04 | tralala | debian-is-me, the actual driver. rt61 as a wild guess |
| 17:59.04 | Asmooh | hmm |
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| 17:59.34 | karsten | Asmooh: Looking at the /boot/config-<kernel> files (and diffing them), and checking the kernel changelogs/changesets would be helpful here. |
| 17:59.38 | debian-is-me | but i have to make them also by typing: make |
| 17:59.50 | Asmooh | xingu, yea but im not anymore check whats else in the 2.6.18 kernel; as i know; it speedup my system when i use a newer one; then the default kernel |
| 17:59.52 | stew | Asmooh: so what you are saying is that if i use an old kernel, the kernel will slowdown the southbridge and northbridge on my machine? |
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| 18:00.36 | Olax | null: TwinView effectively replaces Xinerama, you are probably using only Twinview. |
| 18:00.40 | debian-is-me | can I convert kubuntu too debian? |
| 18:00.44 | Asmooh | stew, well what i think, only if u have a chipset thats newer then the lasted one with the default kernel; and if the changes between the older one and yours is bigger |
| 18:00.59 | xingu | Asmooh: right; and the risk/ reward profile that existed for you, does not exist for everyone; confusing a third party with a suggestion, however well intentioned, to discard their installation image (a known-known) for a kernel-de-jour (a known-unknown) isn't progress. |
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| 18:01.28 | abrotman | debian-is-me: no you cannot |
| 18:01.39 | Ronin | debian-is-me: sure, back up what you want to save, burn a debian iso to disk and install |
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| 18:02.13 | SamuraiDio | whats the better way to make an app/script run when i log in (only once, to prevent it to run again and again) |
| 18:02.19 | Asmooh | xingu, true' it maybe wont work for anyone, but what i foundout what that the Nvidia MCP61+ chipsets are running a lot better on newer kernels than the default debian install kernel :) |
| 18:02.22 | DawnLight | stew: fucking found it. after long hours and numerous dead-ends, a simple xxd -r -p will convert ascii to raw binary. i'll factoid this. wooha |
| 18:02.41 | stew | Asmooh: i don't believe it for a second. do you have anywhere that i could read about the kernel slowing down my northbridge or southbridge? or that the kernel has any affect whatsoever on the speed that they run at? |
| 18:02.43 | tralala | debian-is-me, do a make install first and then you should be able to use modprobe |
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| 18:03.01 | null | Olax: Wow, good to know that. Thanks, I'll try playing around witht he config files a bit more. |
| 18:03.12 | Ovi | can anyone tell me how remount a partition so that the changes I made in fstab activate? |
| 18:03.41 | Asmooh | stew, well; u can test it youtself; buy an nvidia MCP61+ mainboard with an dualcore Athlon 64; and dualDDR, benchmark between 2.6.18 and 2.6.22.9 or 2.6.23 |
| 18:03.46 | jelly | DawnLight: ascii as in "4c 4d 3e 20 ..." ? |
| 18:04.03 | DawnLight | jelly: without the spaces |
| 18:04.10 | xingu | Asmooh: it'd be useful, for your own benefit, do bound "better"; better IO? better networking? better memory bandwidth? etc; you're right, the mcp61+ chipset support didn't appear until 2.6.20 or so - but if 2.6.18 booted at all, then what in your profile has now changed? |
| 18:04.19 | Ovi | anyone? |
| 18:04.38 | DawnLight | Ovi: mount -a if irc |
| 18:04.45 | petemc | Ovi: umount it, remount it |
| 18:04.46 | xingu | Asmooh: the utility in being this rigourous is then being able to determine from a fault description, if a kernel upgrade is a useful path to explore. |
| 18:04.56 | jelly | Ovi: umount /mount/point && mount /mount/point is a way |
| 18:04.59 | Ovi | how do I unmount? |
| 18:05.15 | themill | DawnLight: is that all you were trying to do??? I thought you were looking for something much harder. A two line perl script could do that for you :( |
| 18:05.20 | xingu | Asmooh: a kernel upgrade is usually high impact; hence, not the sort of thing to do lightly. |
| 18:05.25 | OminousZ | I was of the opinion that ascii was just a chart of characters with corresponding numerical id's that could be expressed in binary, hexadecimal, decimal, etc |
| 18:05.41 | Asmooh | xingu, well it booted; yes, but what i foundout was that is was running to slow; my computer just feels "slow" what dissapaird on the 2.6.22.x kernel; thats where i was talking about |
| 18:05.50 | OminousZ | You probably had trouble finding it because of misuse of the word ascii in the searching! |
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| 18:06.03 | Ovi | jelly: unmount:command not found |
| 18:06.04 | DawnLight | themill: this is better then a two liner :) |
| 18:06.14 | jelly | Ovi: I didn't say that. |
| 18:06.17 | Asmooh | like u said; the MCP wasnt supported at 2.6.18 |
| 18:06.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:06.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:06.26 | debian-is-me | how can i make windows bootloader load debian cd? |
| 18:06.33 | Ovi | oo |
| 18:06.34 | themill | DawnLight: yes, but if we'd understood what you were looking for, you would have got your two-liner hours ago and saved you a lot of time! |
| 18:06.36 | DawnLight | !factoid u |
| 18:06.44 | Asmooh | just boot from cd debian-is-me |
| 18:06.45 | david_ | I cannot manage repositories in adept (the button is grayed out) i manage them directly at etc/apt/sources.list but i would like to kno why this button is de-activated |
| 18:07.04 | xingu | Asmooh: you need to go a bit further; llcbench's cachebench will give you useful numbers for memory bandwidth; hdparm can give you numbers for flatline io throughput; etc. |
| 18:07.13 | Ovi | jelly:device is busy. Now what except reboot?I closed anything that might be using it |
| 18:07.21 | xingu | Asmooh: "not supported" == won't boot. |
| 18:07.23 | OminousZ | Nice, a command to effortlessly explain the incorrectness of illiterate abbreviations to people |
| 18:07.25 | DawnLight | themill: i did mix up some terms :) |
| 18:07.32 | xingu | Asmooh: so clearly it *was* supported, if in a compatibility mode. |
| 18:07.35 | Asmooh | xingu, do u know a better name for it? :) |
| 18:07.42 | jelly | Ovi: use lsof or fuser to find out what is still using it, then umount. |
| 18:07.56 | Asmooh | xingu, yea i know; but i dont have any MPC pcs more that are running < 2.6.22 |
| 18:08.03 | petemc | Ovi: where is it mounted? |
| 18:08.04 | jelly | Ovi: err... quit / kill those processes that use it |
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| 18:08.50 | Ovi | petemc:in /mnt why? |
| 18:09.03 | DeFirence | !sources.list |
| 18:09.03 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:09.21 | stew | Asmooh: well i can tell you with the brand new intel chipsets that you say don't work there is no speedup between 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 |
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| 18:09.29 | themill | DawnLight: an example can often be useful for these things... but if you're doing this sort of stuff lots, learn some perl, it's well worth it. IIRC you were sending stuff to a parallel port from this hexdump -- that sounds like some projects that I've been working on where we've even written compilers in perl |
| 18:09.52 | petemc | Ovi: just checking if it was / |
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| 18:10.03 | Asmooh | stew, i dont know about the chipsets; onlything i know is some ppl cant even boot the debian CD with the lastest intel chipsets |
| 18:10.09 | Ovi | petemc:I'm not that stupid :) |
| 18:10.18 | petemc | :) |
| 18:10.23 | david_ | thanks very much |
| 18:10.25 | Asmooh | or install debian (no harddisk controllers found and/or harddisks) |
| 18:10.28 | Ovi | anyway I think I'll just reboot thk |
| 18:10.36 | macsim | hi, after a crash disk I reinstall my server, I use mailgrah.cgi on it, but now mailgraph gives information from the crash date, I add my mail.log.X.gz but mailgrah still ignore it, anybody know who can I fix this ? |
| 18:10.39 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 18:10.56 | stew | Asmooh: works for me |
| 18:11.21 | Asmooh | stew, then you are lucky, because i searched for it. and a lot of kernels didnt support it |
| 18:11.39 | jelly | !kmuto |
| 18:11.39 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:11.46 | jelly | Asmooh: see that link. |
| 18:11.57 | humbolto | what could be the reason I can't ping a host in the same subnet as I? |
| 18:12.00 | abrotman | the intel ones have a legacy mode IIRC |
| 18:12.09 | abrotman | humbolto: netmask is bad? firewall? |
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| 18:12.29 | Asmooh | a cool jelly :) didnt know that exists |
| 18:12.48 | stew | somehow i don't feel lucky |
| 18:13.04 | Asmooh | why? |
| 18:13.21 | DawnLight | is this right? |
| 18:13.26 | DawnLight | !ascii to binary |
| 18:13.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, ascii to binary is xxd -r -p |
| 18:13.27 | jelly | abrotman: having to switch to legacy, install on /dev/hda, install newer kernel, fix fstab, reboot and put bios back == PITA |
| 18:13.37 | jelly | DawnLight: make that hexdump to binary |
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| 18:14.07 | abrotman | jelly: uhm .. i don't recall having to do all that .. but there's a bottle attached to my hand! |
| 18:14.27 | jelly | abrotman: that's a good idea. I'm going afk. :-) |
| 18:14.28 | Asmooh | but when i got my new server; ill check if it will install on the deault kernel; and on any newer one |
| 18:14.29 | Asmooh | :) |
| 18:14.36 | abrotman | jelly: hehe |
| 18:15.47 | xingu | Asmooh: your entire problem might be due to this... http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=116500503805899&w=2 for instance. |
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| 18:16.50 | Nyle | a cool jelly? |
| 18:16.58 | Nyle | haha thats awesome |
| 18:17.15 | Asmooh | xingu, hmm can be :) but it was also fixed recompiling kernel > newerone and removing / adding everything just for my pc |
| 18:18.09 | Asmooh | but eh |
| 18:18.26 | Asmooh | when we are talking about support and unknown devices |
| 18:18.38 | Asmooh | why cant xorg find what videocard i have? |
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| 18:18.57 | stew | Asmooh: so you compiled a kernel on another machine for this one? |
| 18:19.02 | Asmooh | no |
| 18:19.06 | Asmooh | on my own one |
| 18:19.10 | Asmooh | it did boot |
| 18:19.13 | stew | Asmooh: oh, with a livecd or something? |
| 18:19.13 | Asmooh | but slow as hell :) |
| 18:19.27 | stew | Asmooh: wait you said that all of the devices could not be detected? |
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| 18:19.53 | Asmooh | stew, on my pc just slow and unknown; somsone i know cant even install her pc |
| 18:20.00 | stew | Asmooh: what do you mean by unknown? |
| 18:20.17 | Asmooh | like |
| 18:20.18 | Asmooh | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0422 (rev a1) |
| 18:20.23 | Asmooh | something like this |
| 18:20.29 | Asmooh | but then for everything in my pc |
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| 18:20.31 | stew | Asmooh: so recompiling your kenrel changed the output of lspci? |
| 18:20.38 | Asmooh | yes it did |
| 18:20.40 | stew | hah |
| 18:21.05 | debian-is-me_ | can i compile gentoo? |
| 18:21.16 | Asmooh | how do we know i u can? |
| 18:21.19 | Asmooh | if* |
| 18:21.23 | stew | debian-is-me_: you mean the file manager? |
| 18:21.33 | debian-is-me_ | donn, is it possibole? |
| 18:21.47 | debian-is-me_ | no, the distro |
| 18:21.53 | stew | debian-is-me_: ask #gentoo |
| 18:22.15 | Asmooh | stew, but the same i have with my videocard; compiz is slower on an nforce 8 then on a nforce 7 |
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| 18:22.18 | stew | Asmooh: so what you are saying is that somehow recompiling your kenrel somehow edited /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 18:22.19 | Asmooh | and i wonder why :) |
| 18:22.41 | debian-is-me_ | ok, i want to install debian, bios wont boot from cd |
| 18:22.47 | Asmooh | stew, edited; and making it faster? more compatible? i dont know; but i was a lot faster |
| 18:22.52 | debian-is-me_ | have windows xp |
| 18:23.10 | stew | Asmooh: now i know you are full of ut |
| 18:23.12 | stew | it |
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| 18:23.29 | rhalff_ | debian-is-me, what kind of ancient bios is that ? :) |
| 18:23.36 | Asmooh | what do u meen stew? |
| 18:23.51 | stew | Asmooh: you are saying things happened which i know didn't happen |
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| 18:24.02 | debian-is-me_ | award, but it has the option, but i don't have passwrd |
| 18:24.16 | stew | Asmooh: i know that installing a new kenrel didn't effect the contents of /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 18:24.23 | Nigromante | debian-is-me, use the Jumpers, Yoda dixit |
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| 18:24.53 | Asmooh | stew, xingu just said nforce MCP 61 and higher arnt supported in kernels below 2.6.20, maybe in lacency mode or something; that slow it down |
| 18:24.55 | debian-is-me_ | no, i want to use the windows bootloader, laptop |
| 18:25.13 | Nigromante | i mean, to unlock the bios, debian-is-me |
| 18:25.29 | Nigromante | _ |
| 18:25.31 | debian-is-me_ | can't laptop |
| 18:25.36 | Nigromante | ah |
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| 18:26.10 | Eulex | Nigromante, if you can't boot from neither a cd, floppy or usb device, you're kinda SOL |
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| 18:26.30 | Nigromante | can you boot from network? |
| 18:26.35 | debian-is-me_ | yes |
| 18:26.48 | debian-is-me_ | but isn't that difficult? |
| 18:26.53 | tct | I have installed mepis ... ( yeah I know its not debian ... |
| 18:26.54 | Nigromante | a bit |
| 18:27.06 | Nigromante | check google to unlock your laptop |
| 18:27.06 | Eulex | Nigromante, oh, forgot that one |
| 18:27.06 | Eulex | !mepis |
| 18:27.07 | dpkg | mepis is, like, a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 18:27.07 | CharminTheMoose | how much chance is there of data being corrupted if you don't fsck a partition for a long time? |
| 18:27.09 | tct | my nic isnt configured properly |
| 18:27.16 | debian-is-me_ | i have a debian box |
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| 18:28.11 | Nigromante | which laptop do you have debian-is-me_ ? |
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| 18:28.55 | debian-is-me_ | dell latitude d630 |
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| 18:29.26 | ziyax | 14:29:43 up 1:48, 1 user, load average: 161.65, 163.76, 156.74 nice loads isnt it :P |
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| 18:29.40 | debian-is-me_ | can I make the partition an trow the files in it from windows? |
| 18:29.54 | Asmooh | hehe, what are u doing ziyax ? |
| 18:30.01 | Nigromante | you may use loadlin |
| 18:30.11 | debian-is-me_ | loadlin? |
| 18:30.15 | Nigromante | google it |
| 18:30.27 | snacky | oh come on. surely not loadlin |
| 18:30.29 | xingu | Asmooh: I think you'll find I didn't; I think you'll find I found a possibly quite relevant screaming-irq bug with forcedeth circa 2.6.18.2, and suggested that it was possible that mcp61 support (to be clear - soft-ncq support) wasn't added until quite recently |
| 18:30.46 | Nigromante | he tries to boot linux from windows |
| 18:30.53 | Eulex | debian-is-me, goodbye-microsoft.com might be an option |
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| 18:31.11 | xingu | Asmooh: but really, it's just so much noise, until you quantify the problem; "slow" is about as useful as trying to describe "green" to a blind man. |
| 18:31.15 | debian-is-me_ | yes, does that partition my hardrive? |
| 18:31.45 | Asmooh | xingu, yea true; well it doesnt matter for me anymore; but thats what i found out :) nothing more |
| 18:31.51 | ziyax | Asmooh just running apache2 :) |
| 18:31.52 | Nigromante | it is just a kernel loader |
| 18:31.55 | debian-is-me_ | goodbye-microsoft.com does it make a linux partition? And I have to use dual-boot for a while, because of the it admin! |
| 18:32.04 | Asmooh | ziyax, wow; busy site? or slow serv? |
| 18:32.11 | ziyax | well busy site |
| 18:32.14 | Asmooh | hehe :) |
| 18:32.18 | ziyax | yesterday we hit 13000 unique |
| 18:32.26 | ziyax | but it must be stable :/ |
| 18:32.35 | ziyax | i couldnt figure out |
| 18:32.42 | Eulex | debian-is-me_, not while running windows. it boots the debian installer when you reboot, instead of booting windows. |
| 18:32.57 | debian-is-me_ | ok |
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| 18:33.04 | debian-is-me_ | so i loose windows? |
| 18:33.06 | Eulex | debian-is-me_, and yes, the debian installer supports dual-boot. in any case, it's an unofficial method of installing. |
| 18:33.24 | Asmooh | hmm strange ziyax |
| 18:33.32 | ziyax | yea very strange |
| 18:33.46 | debian-is-me_ | ok, so it starts the installer when I restart? And then it is like my netinst cd? |
| 18:33.56 | ziyax | i'm using default packages of etch apache2.2.3+mysql5.0.22+php5 |
| 18:33.57 | Eulex | debian-is-me_, I believe so. |
| 18:34.14 | ziyax | with memcache for db,xcache for php5 |
| 18:34.36 | Nigromante | debian-is-me_ is the laptop yours, anyway? |
| 18:34.45 | Eulex | debian-is-me_, but it is an unofficial method, and therefore nothing is guaranteed. not that there is when running an official method, but at least we can provide support in here for official methods. |
| 18:34.48 | Asmooh | ziyax, and what server specs? |
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| 18:35.23 | xingu | stew: annoyingly, he's ~correct, but for entirely the wrong reasons; the real reason to play catchy-uppy when it comes to new nvidia chipsets is because they have lethal _bugs_ that require offspec workarounds; and the bugs, usually manifest as peripheral stalls, screaming interrupts, and their ilk |
| 18:35.25 | ziyax | hm its remote box , lemme check wait |
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| 18:35.53 | xingu | stew: here's one, for instance: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=119124872704792&w=2 |
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| 18:36.13 | ziyax | AMD 64 Athlon 3700+,1GB DDRII 667,Unmetered Bandwidth,160gb hdd and 10mbit net |
| 18:36.29 | Asmooh | hmm |
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| 18:36.36 | stew | xingu: is that a bug that might slow his system down by 2-3 times? |
| 18:36.48 | xingu | stew: the forcedeth one certainly would |
| 18:36.53 | Asmooh | would be fast enough i think for your site ziyax |
| 18:36.57 | xingu | stew: uncertain about this one :) |
| 18:37.06 | ziyax | ye i think too but dunno whats problem Asmooh |
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| 18:37.24 | Asmooh | ziyax, and what if u restart apache/mysql ? |
| 18:37.31 | ziyax | its gaming site in turkey, We also run membership system for our game servers and locating DB's there |
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| 18:38.00 | ziyax | well when i stop apache loads are lowering |
| 18:38.01 | xingu | stew: no, that one's just cosmetic so far - sysfs gets confused by something which isn't a bridge, calling itself one. |
| 18:38.10 | debian-is-me | The IT guy said that I was allowed to do anything I was able too. |
| 18:38.17 | ziyax | i think its problem from ClamAV-daemon |
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| 18:38.28 | Asmooh | ziyax, what does "top" said? |
| 18:38.41 | debian-is-me | That means I can do whatever I want too! |
| 18:38.56 | ziyax | i rebooted system now |
| 18:39.08 | ziyax | for now only it seems normal |
| 18:39.09 | Asmooh | just check top :) |
| 18:39.19 | Asmooh | and leave top on forground |
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| 18:39.23 | Asmooh | so u can see what it does |
| 18:39.26 | Asmooh | and who |
| 18:39.55 | ziyax | i know :p i even straced apache processes but didnt see something strange |
| 18:40.06 | Asmooh | hm |
| 18:40.11 | ziyax | for last 245 days system was working good |
| 18:40.16 | ziyax | never rebooted |
| 18:40.19 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 18:40.22 | Asmooh | strange |
| 18:40.28 | Asmooh | a broken upgrade./ |
| 18:40.29 | Asmooh | ? |
| 18:40.30 | ziyax | but since 2 days i installed clamav new version |
| 18:40.37 | debian-is-me | can I avoid ever rebooting my debian box? |
| 18:40.38 | ziyax | and system gonna mad :S |
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| 18:41.09 | Asmooh | debian-is-me; sure, just be nice to it |
| 18:41.14 | ziyax | !paste |
| 18:41.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:41.15 | Asmooh | and never upgrade your kernel |
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| 18:41.17 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 18:41.33 | debian-is-me | debian wont make windows unbootabole? |
| 18:41.42 | ziyax | http://paste.debian.net/41096 for now |
| 18:41.46 | ziyax | i removed clamav daemon |
| 18:41.51 | ziyax | before reboot |
| 18:41.55 | debian-is-me | lo |
| 18:41.56 | Asmooh | if u are not going to break it |
| 18:42.01 | debian-is-me | ok, here goes nothing |
| 18:42.10 | ziyax | actually i installed it for forum attachments u know windows users |
| 18:42.11 | Asmooh | why u do want windows anyway? |
| 18:42.24 | Asmooh | windows users? *puke* |
| 18:42.25 | Asmooh | :P |
| 18:42.26 | debian-is-me | MY it guy forces me too |
| 18:42.27 | ziyax | they download and they do not scan :p |
| 18:42.30 | debian-is-me | kkeep windows |
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| 18:42.45 | ziyax | and some noobie infected trojan to 10 member and stole their pwds |
| 18:42.46 | debian-is-me | and i need the wpa certificate |
| 18:42.47 | ziyax | :)) |
| 18:42.51 | Asmooh | hehe |
| 18:43.06 | ziyax | so i decided to install new system to attachments |
| 18:43.10 | Asmooh | ziyax, and what if u build your own software? |
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| 18:43.25 | Asmooh | to check header files, if the file is not an executable file |
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| 18:43.44 | ziyax | well i just need clamav's lib for php extension |
| 18:43.50 | ziyax | dunno why i installed daemon :p |
| 18:43.54 | Asmooh | ghehe |
| 18:44.06 | p_masho | unforuntunately I Am using windows and me remote debian box is crashed .. so dont knock a tool when u aint got another option |
| 18:44.20 | p_masho | Asmooh sucks though |
| 18:44.39 | Asmooh | how can ure debian box crash? |
| 18:44.43 | Asmooh | hardware broken? |
| 18:44.51 | ziyax | hm strange |
| 18:45.30 | ziyax | today 900 new users registered too yesterday 1200 users :S |
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| 18:46.01 | Asmooh | ziyax, whats so strange about that? |
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| 18:46.23 | ziyax | well actually i didnt expect such registers :s normal days we are having 60 70 max |
| 18:46.34 | Asmooh | ziyax, spambots? |
| 18:46.41 | ziyax | just updated anticheat software in servers |
| 18:46.47 | ziyax | and ppl coming to download it |
| 18:46.50 | Asmooh | but p_masho there is always another option then windows :) (i think) i dont used windows for years |
| 18:47.42 | Asmooh | ziyax, if u have 70~70max then is 900 strange yea |
| 18:47.48 | Asmooh | check the db; if they really did :) |
| 18:47.58 | Asmooh | and arnt they spambots |
| 18:48.01 | ziyax | i checked :) |
| 18:48.03 | Asmooh | and? |
| 18:48.17 | ziyax | normal users |
| 18:48.20 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 18:48.32 | ziyax | we are having activation system |
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| 18:48.54 | ziyax | i think i need to seperate dynamic and static content sharing |
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| 18:49.04 | ziyax | static from lighttpd and dynamic from apache |
| 18:49.50 | stew | ziyax: your system is slow? haev you determined where the bottleneck is? |
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| 18:50.15 | xingu | stew: the other thing that's totally probable is Asmooh's 2.6.18.x userland would have been using ide/amd74xx.c rather than ata/sata_nv.c; which would suck, io-wise. |
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| 18:50.29 | helo | i am incredibly fed up with iceweasel locking up when i close windows/tabs with flash playing... is this a known issue? |
| 18:51.44 | ziyax | stew system is not slow |
| 18:51.46 | utopia_ | helo, ive the same problem i just stopped using iceweasal :) |
| 18:51.51 | ziyax | its loading so much |
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| 18:52.23 | ziyax | 14:29:43 up 1:48, 1 user, load average: 161.65, 163.76, 156.74 max i have seen since 2 days on this box |
| 18:52.27 | stew | xingu: the 2.6.18 amd74xx driver doesn't support any chipsets that are now supported by sata_nv |
| 18:52.53 | stew | ziyax: do you know what is causing the load? iowait? |
| 18:53.13 | xingu | stew: I'll have t take your word for it; not sure when ...NFORCE_MCP61_IDE... went into amd74xx.c but it's there now |
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| 18:53.29 | ziyax | its cause of apache2 i think but dunno i removed clamav-daemon and i googled it i saw many ppl had same issue from clamav daemon high loads |
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| 18:54.23 | xingu | Asmooh: now, regarding compiz and your gpu; are you using compiz fusion, and if so from which repo? also, what version of nvidia-glx? |
| 18:54.32 | Olax | .window help shrink |
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| 18:54.59 | humbolto | is there a short way for sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start? |
| 18:55.00 | Asmooh | xingu, ive compiz-fusion yes, 8400GS, nvidia drivers from the site, newest one. 14.19 i thought |
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| 18:55.34 | Asmooh | and: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
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| 18:55.52 | OminousZ | humbolto, try sudo apache2ctl start |
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| 18:57.05 | themill | humbolto: invoke-rc.d apache2 start |
| 18:57.16 | themill | humbolto: tab completion can be turned on for each part of that command too |
| 18:57.28 | xingu | Asmooh: hmm; what does glxinfo | grep direct say? |
| 18:57.41 | humbolto | OminousZ: Would mysqlctl start work as well for mysql? |
| 18:57.42 | OminousZ | themill, is there a difference between your method and mine? |
| 18:58.10 | OminousZ | humbolto, no |
| 18:58.12 | Asmooh | xingu, compiz is working and running; but when i use emerald and not my GTK-gnome windows its turning slow; and im not the onlyone, its an linux / nvidia 8 issue |
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| 18:58.41 | hap | Hi. Anyone using an iPod touch found out how to sync his addressbook and calendar with it ? |
| 18:59.02 | themill | OminousZ: yes -- using apache2ctl directly is probably not really a good thing to do (there are other sanity checks the init script does) and invoke-rc.d works with other things like mysql |
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| 18:59.14 | xingu | Asmooh: there's a lot of people out there who never bother to drill down to root cause before spilling their opinions, that's for sure |
| 18:59.18 | xingu | he says wryly |
| 18:59.27 | Asmooh | xingu, true. :) |
| 18:59.34 | OminousZ | themill: cool. :-) thanks. I'll have to start using invoke-rc.d |
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| 19:00.31 | Asmooh | but direct rendering is yes xingu |
| 19:00.51 | xingu | Asmooh: and glxinfo | grep vendor; is NVIDIA for all three? |
| 19:01.05 | themill | OminousZ: invoke-rc.d isn't really any different to running the init script directly, but it's less typing and there is a whole lot of other stuff that invoke-rc.d does that I've never looked at, |
| 19:01.07 | Asmooh | yes |
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| 19:01.51 | humbolto | themill: sounds great! tnx |
| 19:01.57 | xingu | Asmooh: .. and firxt occurrence of "Module glx" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log is vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" ? |
| 19:02.07 | OminousZ | themill, yeah, I'm reading around about it now, and apparently I can use it to have the app re-load configs... very cool |
| 19:02.25 | Asmooh | (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" |
| 19:02.27 | themill | humbolto: no worries. include . /etc/bash_completion somewhere and tab completion will work too. |
| 19:02.28 | Asmooh | yes :) |
| 19:02.29 | s4br3 | Hi, if anyone could provide a link to how to set up fglrx 8.42.3 and compiz on my Debian Sid AMD64 I would be most grateful. I have failed too many times to remember how many... Thanks for your help! |
| 19:02.30 | chantanito | hi... |
| 19:02.32 | chantanito | does anybody knows where to get cspi package? |
| 19:02.36 | chantanito | i'm trying to compile ldtp on Etch and that package is missing... |
| 19:02.46 | FastPutty | hi, i am about to build up a Server firewall, squid, proxy, and squidguard. arround 100 users. a core 2 duo 2.66gz 4gb ram is it enough? |
| 19:02.54 | abrotman | jesus yes |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | overkill |
| 19:02.59 | OminousZ | lol |
| 19:03.02 | Asmooh | hhe |
| 19:03.19 | xingu | Asmooh: and "ldd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so" shows this as liked with libnvidia-tls.so.1 ? |
| 19:03.22 | themill | OminousZ: yes... if the init script supports it. The idea is that invoke-rc.d and the init script provide a uniform way of looking at things so you don't have to worry about whether you restart the service or just a hup is required etc. |
| 19:03.28 | FastPutty | squidguard filt about 5million website |
| 19:03.29 | xingu | s/liked/linked/ (crappy posture, typos) |
| 19:03.48 | Asmooh | yes xingu |
| 19:03.49 | Asmooh | :) |
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| 19:04.20 | FastPutty | hi, i am about to build up a Server firewall, squid witht transparency, and squidguard with over 5million blocked website. arround 100 users. a core 2 duo 2.66gz 4gb ram is it enough? |
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| 19:04.24 | abrotman | jesus yes |
| 19:04.26 | abrotman | overkill |
| 19:04.28 | Asmooh | hehehe |
| 19:04.30 | OminousZ | lol |
| 19:04.31 | Asmooh | its overkill FastPutty |
| 19:04.36 | FastPutty | oh ok O_O |
| 19:04.36 | OminousZ | ..... deja vu |
| 19:04.43 | Asmooh | i should use it as office pc |
| 19:04.44 | Asmooh | _O- |
| 19:04.50 | debian-is-me | what program can I use in windows to rezise the ntfs partition? and make a ext 3 partition? |
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| 19:04.53 | xingu | Asmooh: and /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 is a symlink to /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.so.100.14.19 ? |
| 19:04.59 | debian-is-me | or any linux partition |
| 19:04.59 | FastPutty | what do you mean by overkill? |
| 19:05.00 | FastPutty | lol |
| 19:05.06 | OminousZ | no! use it as a pi calculator! |
| 19:05.10 | Supaplex | FastPutty: yeah, it's not a wikipedia node :) http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/squid/ |
| 19:05.24 | s4br3 | FastPutty: You may need a pentium 2 -300 for that... |
| 19:05.27 | Supaplex | if you compare line 10 and 22, http://rafb.net/p/wx1E8s47.html why is -DBINUTILS_BUILD_DEP="binutils- (>= 2.16.1cvs20051214)" instead of say binutils-i486something |
| 19:05.48 | FastPutty | <s4br3: i am using a pentium 4 2.4 with squid and ssquiguard and cpu took 40% when i surf on the net |
| 19:06.02 | Asmooh | yes xingu :) |
| 19:06.02 | karsten | abrotman: u loose |
| 19:06.02 | FastPutty | <s4br3: squidguard scan 5million of website per surf.. so it could took a lot of cpu |
| 19:06.16 | abrotman | what kind of stupid nick complete is that? |
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| 19:06.36 | FastPutty | i also have the VPN server in it |
| 19:06.38 | OminousZ | debian-is-me, you're asking for a program to resize a windows partition while in a windows OS in a debian chatroom? |
| 19:06.47 | Asmooh | haha |
| 19:06.49 | debian-is-me | yes, it is too install debian |
| 19:07.03 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: www.goodbye-windows.com will do both |
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| 19:07.06 | xingu | Asmooh: do you have loose binding checked, and indirect rendering unchecked? |
| 19:07.15 | OminousZ | Just checking, debian-is-me! |
| 19:07.31 | syamajala | hmm |
| 19:07.39 | Asmooh | xingu, i put it on, and yes it was a lot faster, but slower then on my 7300GS; gaming is faster, but compiz slower |
| 19:07.48 | syamajala | i want a nice splash screen with suspend2 |
| 19:07.57 | xingu | Asmooh: true/ false to those two, thanks |
| 19:08.01 | debian-is-me | No goodbye.microsoft won't let me resize the ntfa partition |
| 19:08.24 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: how do you figure? |
| 19:09.08 | Asmooh | xingu, i already have |
| 19:09.20 | debian-is-me | it said so, so therfore i want to either erase haf the ntfs partition, or make the linux partitiions |
| 19:09.24 | Asmooh | i should delete all the windows parts |
| 19:09.39 | xingu | Asmooh: no, I'm still waiting for confirmation - that you have enabled loose binding, and have not enabled indirect rendering |
| 19:09.40 | debian-is-me | should i have 1 gb swap if i have 1gb ram? |
| 19:09.40 | Asmooh | start over with debian |
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| 19:09.55 | OminousZ | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ |
| 19:09.56 | Asmooh | xingu, i already had yes |
| 19:10.07 | OminousZ | ^ look at the FAQ questions... it says you can. |
| 19:10.26 | OminousZ | oh well that was redundant of me... FAQ questions. pff. |
| 19:11.02 | debian-is-me | Yes, it has the option, but when i press it it fails |
| 19:11.03 | xingu | Asmooh: and general settings, "unredirect fullscreen windows" (checked), and "sync to vblank" (no check) ? |
| 19:11.03 | Supaplex | yeah, look at how OLD the timestamps are on the pages. wow... |
| 19:11.13 | debian-is-me | so therfoer i wanna use a win prog |
| 19:11.16 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: fails how? |
| 19:11.32 | debian-is-me | it says unable to resize partition |
| 19:11.39 | OminousZ | that's all it says? |
| 19:11.59 | Asmooh | i cant set those options xingu |
| 19:12.07 | debian-is-me | yes, and see the logfile at blah blah blah to get more details |
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| 19:12.23 | OminousZ | you should see the logfile at blah blah blah and get more details |
| 19:12.28 | xingu | Asmooh: general options -> general, and display tabs |
| 19:12.31 | OminousZ | just a hunch |
| 19:12.46 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: you're speaking to a few developers here. 'blah blah blah' is far too vague, however if we somehow get a copy of said logfile, we can do more about it |
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| 19:13.07 | xingu | Asmooh: ... in csm |
| 19:13.15 | Asmooh | sync to vblank is checked |
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| 19:13.31 | Asmooh | direct refreshrate also |
| 19:13.37 | Asmooh | eh |
| 19:13.39 | Asmooh | detect |
| 19:13.40 | debian-is-me | I cannot open it, it can't be saved or opened |
| 19:13.53 | xingu | Asmooh: if you want that behaviour - unset it, and use __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 in /etc/environment or whatever pleases you most. |
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| 19:14.56 | Asmooh | xingu, refreshdate is also 50.. do i need to change that? |
| 19:14.59 | xingu | Asmooh: lastly; in xorg.conf, do you have AddARGBGLXVisuals,BackingStore as true? (you could probably also use TripleBuffer, I can't on my gfgo 7600 |
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| 19:15.33 | Asmooh | i dont have backingstore in my xorg |
| 19:15.38 | xingu | Asmooh: won't hurt, but won't matter I think; set it correctly; the compiz sync to vblank is reputedly a bit.. hmm... I get better results without it. |
| 19:15.43 | xingu | Asmooh: that's going to *hurt* |
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| 19:16.09 | Asmooh | and no triplebuffer |
| 19:16.36 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: true, that's a tad difficult durring setup. it's possible, but more involved |
| 19:17.05 | debian-is-me | therfore i just want to resize it from within windows |
| 19:17.25 | xingu | hmm, BackingStore isn't documented any more, I wonder if that's a buglet. |
| 19:17.35 | xingu | is certainly still doing its thing. |
| 19:17.40 | Asmooh | http://nl.gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Xorg_X11_and_Transparency |
| 19:17.47 | Asmooh | but its dutch :P |
| 19:18.02 | Asmooh | Option "backingstore" "true" |
| 19:18.07 | Asmooh | oh |
| 19:18.09 | Asmooh | thats for ati |
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| 19:18.25 | xingu | that's the guy; I use CamelCase, but I don't think the driver cares. |
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| 19:19.36 | xingu | Asmooh: last set; is this an AGP card, or PCIe ? |
| 19:19.42 | Asmooh | PCi-e |
| 19:19.48 | Asmooh | geforce 8 isnt in agp? |
| 19:20.00 | xingu | Asmooh: do you have /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-anything? |
| 19:20.01 | Asmooh | MCP61 doesnt have agp? |
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| 19:20.08 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: try ##windows |
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| 19:20.22 | Asmooh | no xingu |
| 19:20.30 | debian-is-me | have done that, everybody there is retarded |
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| 19:20.56 | xingu | Asmooh: create /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc; two lines... |
| 19:21.01 | xingu | Asmooh: alias char-major-195* nvidia |
| 19:21.23 | xingu | Asmooh: options nvidia NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=44 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660 NVreg_VideoMemoryTypeOverride=0 NVreg_NvAGP=0 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=0 NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_DevicesConnected=1 NVreg_VbiosFromROM=1 NVreg_EnableBrightnessControl=1 |
| 19:21.38 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: let me count the times I've used windows in the last year. hummm can't remember. only a few to make screenshots for goodbye-windows.com |
| 19:21.38 | Asmooh | done |
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| 19:21.50 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: wish I knew more :) |
| 19:21.56 | xingu | Asmooh: make sure group id 44 is video; and that your user is in the video group |
| 19:22.05 | Supaplex | debian-is-me: oh, have you tried the gparted live cd? |
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| 19:23.19 | Asmooh | hm i dont have that xingu my user is in my own group; and i dont have an videogroup or ID 44 |
| 19:23.32 | xingu | Asmooh: that's the lot; either reboot, or exit x11, use a console, stop your display manager, rmmod nvidia, modprobe nvidia, then restart your display manager |
| 19:23.36 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 19:24.15 | helo | what is the best alternative to firefox? epiphany? |
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| 19:24.28 | xingu | Asmooh: hmm; in that case, you may wish to add one; /etc/group: video:x:44:yourgroup |
| 19:24.37 | xingu | s/yourgroup/youruser/ |
| 19:24.47 | abrotman | helo: that's a decent one |
| 19:24.52 | Asmooh | oh |
| 19:24.53 | Asmooh | i see |
| 19:24.54 | syamajala | what is the best way to get a bootsplash and suspend2 on testing? |
| 19:24.56 | Asmooh | i already have |
| 19:24.59 | abrotman | helo: what's wrong with iceweasel ? |
| 19:25.08 | xingu | Asmooh: also, /etc/gshadow: video:*::youruser |
| 19:25.25 | helo | abrotman: frequently (1/day at least) when i close a firefox tab/window with flash playing in it, the browser locks up |
| 19:25.32 | Asmooh | xingu, also already have |
| 19:25.51 | xingu | Asmooh: good-o, that's the lot; time to restart the nvidia module, which means either a reboot, or the sequence above |
| 19:26.01 | Asmooh | i know ;) |
| 19:26.02 | Asmooh | brb |
| 19:26.18 | Ronin | helo: so its likely flash and not iceweasel i bet |
| 19:26.22 | stew | helo: that is most likely caused by flash, not by iceweasel, you are likely to have problems with any browser you try to use flash with |
| 19:26.26 | Ronin | jinx |
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| 19:27.49 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 19:28.13 | Asmooh | resizing when emerald in on is still slow |
| 19:28.18 | Asmooh | and still fast with GTK |
| 19:28.31 | xingu | Asmooh: as in, window resizing? |
| 19:28.44 | Asmooh | minimaliste and maxi |
| 19:29.17 | xingu | Asmooh: what effect have you enabled for this? |
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| 19:29.52 | Asmooh | xingu, nothing; just select windows decodator > emerald and not GTK |
| 19:30.12 | tct_ | how do I have programs automatically start on boot? I want vnc4server to start on boot |
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| 19:30.33 | stew | tct_: ask #mepis |
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| 19:30.47 | debian-is-me | hello |
| 19:31.03 | tct_ | stew I believe thats true for any distro |
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| 19:31.15 | xingu | Asmooh: grep DeviceFileGID: </proc/driver/nvidia/registry ? |
| 19:31.18 | xingu | Asmooh: is this 44 ? |
| 19:31.21 | stew | tct_: yes, for any distro, you should be asking in a chnanel specific to that distro |
| 19:31.32 | debian-is-me | the www.goodbye-microsoft.com loads amd 64 things, I have an Intel Core 2 duo. |
| 19:31.38 | debian-is-me | Any fixes? |
| 19:31.40 | Asmooh | yes xingu |
| 19:31.40 | tct_ | and I did and noone is there |
| 19:31.46 | stew | tct_: try a mepis mailing list |
| 19:31.56 | tct_ | and it should be the same for both debian and mepis |
| 19:32.06 | Asmooh | debian-is-me, |
| 19:32.16 | Asmooh | intel uses AMD64 extentions |
| 19:32.30 | tct_ | If I want to know how to delete a file you will tell me to ask on a mepis mailing list too? |
| 19:32.50 | debian-is-me | But the i386 kubuntu cd worked fine, the debian amd64 doesn't |
| 19:32.52 | xingu | Asmooh: and I take it you're comparing the speed of minimising/ maxmising windows, using the top-right control for minimise, and double-tap on the window list for that window to remaximise? |
| 19:33.00 | suppaman | bye |
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| 19:33.01 | abrotman | tct_: you could ask ##linux :) |
| 19:33.12 | tct_ | ok that too :) |
| 19:33.30 | stew | tct_: i'm sorre we aren't able to help you, but mepis is off-topic in here. we don't know how to do what you are doing in mepis. what we would recommend is not the same even for different versions of debian |
| 19:33.33 | Asmooh | xingu, its fast; but not that fast as GTK |
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| 19:33.43 | FastPutty | wat network layer is use to look into the header of a packet, for exmaple a netfilter? is it trasnport layer? |
| 19:34.03 | xingu | Asmooh: there may well be a /deliberate/ delay being inserted, by one of the desktop effects; is it fast-er than it was before? |
| 19:34.06 | tct_ | stew : ok I get that |
| 19:34.30 | Asmooh | xingu, hmm not really; it was fast but sometimes littlebit slow |
| 19:34.59 | ezguy | i change the nofile size from 1024 to 4096 in limits.conf and this change on affect root and not regular user, any ideas what is wrong? |
| 19:35.05 | debian-is-me | So amd64 libs is right for Intel core duo? |
| 19:35.36 | Asmooh | yes |
| 19:35.46 | ezguy | change only affect root and not regular... |
| 19:35.59 | debian-is-me | Sure? It can't be the thing messing up the partitioning thing? |
| 19:36.21 | Eulex | debian-is-me, yes, if you're running the amd64 version of debian. |
| 19:36.59 | debian-is-me | So how do I force it too use intel version of debian? |
| 19:37.09 | Eulex | debian-is-me, I'd recommend running debian i386 on a desktop, though. dunno how to make that installer install debian i386, though. |
| 19:37.29 | stew | debian-is-me: what do you mean by the intel version? |
| 19:37.50 | debian-is-me | Anything else than amd64, really i386 |
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| 19:38.00 | stew | debian-is-me: you mean you want 32 bit instead of 64 bit? |
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| 19:38.17 | debian-is-me | yes |
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| 19:39.17 | xingu | Asmooh: just out of interest, what resolution are you running at? |
| 19:39.38 | Asmooh | 1280*1024 |
| 19:40.03 | Eulex | debian-is-me, the amd64 version of debian does work on core 2 duo cpus, intel adopted the amd64 instruction set for their new 64-bit cpus. but I'd recommend running 32-bit linux on a desktop system, as some proprietary binary-only stuff (flash comes to mind, or was that fixed? in any case, flash or java) doesn't work on an x86_64/amd64 operating system. |
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| 19:40.31 | Eulex | ... |
| 19:40.41 | ameyer | Eulex: s/or\ java/and\ java/ |
| 19:40.52 | xingu | Asmooh: and what cpu? |
| 19:40.59 | Eulex | ameyer, ok, so still both. |
| 19:41.11 | ameyer | although I suspect that once Java's fully GPL'd |
| 19:41.14 | Asmooh | X2 4000 |
| 19:41.30 | chops | Do I have to load a particular kernel module in etch to use 'tc' and friends? |
| 19:41.35 | ameyer | well, I think 64 bit java exists, but no plugin |
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| 19:42.07 | ameyer | and if you want to deal with gij or whatever it is I suspect amd64 would work |
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| 19:43.31 | xingu | Asmooh: try nvidia-settings -q InitialPixmapPlacement; nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 |
| 19:43.34 | Eulex | ameyer, yes, but I don't think it's ready yet. or else everyone would be using it. |
| 19:43.53 | chops | I'm trying to add a filter to impose a rate limit on connections to a particular machine ('tc filter add ...'), and I get "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument". |
| 19:44.01 | Asmooh | The valid values for 'InitialPixmapPlacement' are in the range 0 - 4 |
| 19:44.01 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.04 | xingu | Asmooh: values 0-4 are valid; the report from -q is your default to restore back to |
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| 19:44.22 | Asmooh | Attribute 'InitialPixmapPlacement' (aspc:0.0): 1. |
| 19:44.29 | Asmooh | Attribute 'InitialPixmapPlacement' (aspc:0.0) assigned value 2. |
| 19:44.36 | xingu | Asmooh: that's the guy; so -a ... =2 ... you get the idea. |
| 19:44.48 | ameyer | Eulex: it's practically unusable |
| 19:44.55 | GuHHH | does someone uses bacula and could help me with a simple question? |
| 19:45.10 | ameyer | Eulex: and when Java's fully GPL'd I suspect gij will just die |
| 19:45.23 | abrotman | you mean if .. not when |
| 19:45.29 | Asmooh | xingu, we arerady did 2 |
| 19:45.34 | Asmooh | already* |
| 19:45.42 | Eulex | ameyer, yeah |
| 19:46.10 | Asmooh | Attribute 'InitialPixmapPlacement' (aspc:0.0): 2 |
| 19:46.13 | xingu | Asmooh: yep; and so repeat your test, for each of 0,1,3,4 |
| 19:46.24 | xingu | err, 0,2,3,4 |
| 19:46.31 | xingu | see if either are worse/ better? |
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| 19:48.31 | Asmooh | hm |
| 19:48.35 | Asmooh | thats kills my xingu |
| 19:48.44 | Asmooh | i dont have any normal x windows |
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| 19:51.12 | xingu | Asmooh: which one killed it? just =2 ? and what do you mean by "killed" ? |
| 19:51.39 | Asmooh | xingu, like i dont have the X windows anymore where the minimal buttons are and stuff |
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| 19:51.42 | Asmooh | and all of them |
| 19:51.45 | Asmooh | only 1 works |
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| 19:52.48 | dutchfish | what database server would i use under debian, where native odbc drivers exists under vista? (maybe this offtopic or x-topic not sure) |
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| 19:53.12 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: postgresql |
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| 19:53.36 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, wow postgresql is natve odbc under vista? |
| 19:53.36 | dondelelcaro | (and psqlODBC) |
| 19:53.41 | xingu | Asmooh: interesting; what that setting _allegedly_ does, is bias whether pixmaps are placed initially into system, or video ram. |
| 19:53.53 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: I don't know what you mean by "native"; you install a DLL and it works. |
| 19:54.17 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, yup that will do, thank you very much |
| 19:54.17 | xingu | Asmooh: are you running the default gtk and emerald themes? |
| 19:54.22 | Asmooh | xingu, well thanks but i think im going to leave it as is it:) its okay for me, i dont need emerald |
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| 19:55.26 | xingu | Asmooh: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/2006-June/msg00187.html is what's going on there. |
| 19:55.51 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, by native i meant "wich can interoperate with access and msql" |
| 19:56.10 | Eulex | how do I recursively download a directory via sftp? |
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| 19:57.05 | Asmooh | xingu, no everything is fast, also scrolling and stuff; its when i use emerald on my GF8400 its slower then on my 7300GS |
| 19:57.32 | dutchfish | Eulex, ftp mget option (man) |
| 19:57.49 | testergg | does anyone have any suggestions for load balancing ( we have 2 servers) for web, pop, imap, ftp that will provide the original IP address to our logs? any suggestions would be great we are using etch |
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| 19:58.19 | abrotman | dutchfish: FYI .. pgsql runs on win32 natively |
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| 19:58.56 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, but i meant not the server only the client, my server MUST be debian |
| 19:59.16 | abrotman | i know what oyu meant |
| 19:59.39 | abrotman | dutchfish: AFAIK .. odbc is odbc .. as long as the client and server both speak it correctly .. not a problem .. i don't think .. |
| 19:59.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, sorry misread it pgsql not pgsqld |
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| 20:00.03 | Eulex | dutchfish, mget in both sftp and lftp fail. mget in lftp says "mget: Access failed: Failure (directory)". and mget in sftp says "Cannot download non-regular file: /path/to/directory" |
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| 20:00.36 | dutchfish | abrotman, lost of are not yet fully implemented odbc drivers (think of the meta language) |
| 20:00.46 | thelostbutler | hello folks, what file holds command history, i.e when one hits alt+f2 it brings up a run box to type in an an application (using gnome) |
| 20:01.05 | abrotman | dutchfish: i said speaks correctly :) |
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| 20:01.16 | chops | So... tc is not the easiest thing to learn. I knew that already. Does anyone know a better way to say "downloads from IP address x.y.z.w may not exceed 200 kbytes/sec"? It's an SMP system, so "iptables --quota" is apparently out :-(. |
| 20:01.17 | dutchfish | Eulex, i dont know exact syntax |
| 20:01.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, i will test it out anyway, thank you again |
| 20:01.44 | debian-is-me | I still cannot resize the ntfs partition with debian installer! |
| 20:01.48 | chops | This is for a daemon. I could run the thing under a throttling wrapper, but I'd rather avoid that if possible. |
| 20:02.00 | abrotman | chops: trickle |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | oh .. not for all |
| 20:02.51 | Eulex | dutchfish, I've been looking for a recursive option but haven't found any. in any case, guess I'll tar the whole directory and transfer it. at least I can transfer single files. |
| 20:03.08 | debian-is-me | How do I resize ntfs partitions? |
| 20:03.26 | Asmooh | ask #windows |
| 20:03.37 | chops | abrotman: trickle would be okay, but I'd rather do something systemwide than try to wrap the daemon in something. Given that there seem to be two or three different facilities which apparently want to provide me this ability, it's frustrating that I can't get _any_ of them to work :-) |
| 20:03.44 | Trewas | Eulex: the command for recursive transfer in lftp is "mirror" |
| 20:03.57 | hark | debian-is-me: ntfsresize |
| 20:04.08 | Eulex | Trewas, oh, thank you |
| 20:04.15 | abrotman | chops: wondershaper ? |
| 20:04.26 | debian-is-me | do i need linux to run ntfsresize? |
| 20:04.36 | Eulex | Trewas, working well :) |
| 20:05.10 | Trewas | Eulex: may not be too good with large number of small files but ftp/sftp never is :) |
| 20:05.30 | chops | abrotman: Hm... this is actually a very nice reference. |
| 20:05.32 | dutchfish | Eulex, why not scp? |
| 20:05.36 | eylisian | debian-is-me, I use systemrescuecd. You can also use the gparted live cd. it rawks too. |
| 20:05.46 | dutchfish | Eulex, or better rsync |
| 20:06.19 | abrotman | chops: sure .. if it works :) |
| 20:06.23 | chops | abrotman: It's not okay for my needs (I'm not running on the router; I just need to prevent a host from eating all the downstream bandwidth when doing big transfers in an office with not-so-good traffic control on its main net connection) |
| 20:06.41 | chops | abrotman: But it at least gives me a working tc example to work from, which is a hell of a lot more than the tc docs did :-) |
| 20:07.10 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:07.12 | hark | debian-is-me: yes. you're asking #debian after all.. |
| 20:07.17 | eylisian | debian-is-me, systemrescuecd was the only thing I could find that would recognize all the hardware in a Dell Vostro (groan) 200... It worked flawlessly. |
| 20:07.39 | imagine | how big should my "/" partition be ? |
| 20:07.51 | chops | abrotman: Also, it was written in April 2002. Lucky nothing's changed in iproute2 since then, otherwise I might be setting myself up for a big failure. |
| 20:08.07 | jelly-home | imagine: about yay big: <--------------> |
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| 20:09.09 | Eulex | dutchfish, oh, forgot about scp. in any case, I'd be surprised if I can rsync files from school. |
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| 20:09.44 | jelly-home | imagine: in other words, there's not enough information. how large is the disk? what separate partitions are you planning to have? what is the machine going to be used for? |
| 20:09.55 | dutchfish | Eulex, ok then scp's recursive features do the job, not the fastest but secure and reliable |
| 20:10.24 | Eulex | dutchfish, ok |
| 20:10.28 | imagine | jelly-home: true, I just want to have my distributions file... /home would be on a different partition.. which means.. only the systems file there |
| 20:10.43 | abrotman | chops: kind of sad actually |
| 20:11.06 | jelly-home | scp has a number of limitations (doesn't handle symlinks, sparse files...). for trees, I prefer rsync (or tar|nc) |
| 20:11.24 | Trewas | dutchfish: lftp is better than scp in that sense that it can resume transfers |
| 20:11.32 | chops | abrotman: I particularly like the lack of a tc-filter manpage, the cross-references to it, and the cheerful note on the web that such a page is forthcoming just as soon as they get done writing new code |
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| 20:11.36 | chops | abrotman: Not that I am bitter :-) |
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| 20:11.47 | abrotman | chops: you should write one! |
| 20:11.55 | jelly-home | imagine: so only / and /home (and swap)? 12-15GB will be more than enough for / |
| 20:12.01 | dutchfish | Trewas, could be but is it a default availability? |
| 20:12.01 | chops | abrotman: I have to figure the damn thing out first :-) |
| 20:12.03 | imagine | no.. only / |
| 20:12.05 | imagine | not home |
| 20:12.07 | chops | abrotman: But that's not a bad idea |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | chops: read the code :) |
| 20:12.18 | chops | abrotman: I'm sure it'll be a delight |
| 20:12.18 | imagine | I s uppose 8gig would be enough for systems files.. |
| 20:12.28 | abrotman | chops: it might be well commented |
| 20:12.28 | jelly-home | imagine: I was enumerating the partitions. |
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| 20:12.38 | imagine | oh ok yeah |
| 20:12.46 | imagine | so 12 gig you reckon? .. ok |
| 20:12.54 | dutchfish | Trewas, sftp might be another althernative |
| 20:13.23 | abrotman | imagine: that should be fine unless oyu try to instsall every package in debian |
| 20:13.25 | jelly-home | imagine: my 10gig / is nearly filled, but I have lots of development packages and other crap |
| 20:13.30 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 20:13.35 | imagine | yeah... |
| 20:13.38 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18715 packages, 1729 maintainers, 42065 MB installed size, 13766 MB compressed size. |
| 20:13.44 | imagine | it's server.. so no much development there.. |
| 20:13.50 | abrotman | and no X crap |
| 20:14.01 | abrotman | imagine: wait .. what bout databases etc ? |
| 20:14.02 | jelly-home | imagine: I'd suggest separate /var for a server |
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| 20:14.32 | dutchfish | abrotman, any stats on the etch repository (size etc)? |
| 20:14.38 | imagine | yeah.. |
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| 20:14.40 | imagine | Ok.. |
| 20:14.52 | imagine | even though my db should be very small ~1Gig max |
| 20:15.01 | abrotman | dutchfish: dpkg just spit them out |
| 20:15.02 | chops | imagine: Personally I'm a big fan of the "one big /" as a partitioning plan, with /home as an optional separate partition. I understand that there are advantages to splitting it finer than that but in my experience they've been outweighed by the PITA nearly every time. |
| 20:15.19 | Trewas | dutchfish: lftp is only optional in debian... I use scp for smaller transfers or inside fast network, lftp in case where its ability to continue after net dropouts helps |
| 20:15.30 | imagine | chops so do I :) that's why only /home is on a different partition.. |
| 20:15.43 | dutchfish | Trewas, yes |
| 20:15.46 | imagine | so when I feel like upgrading or changing distrib.. it's easy :)_ |
| 20:15.57 | Orion_X11 | How can I see this file? > he-pt.lex > it is a lexicon Hebrew to portuguese > http://www.faithofgod.net/davar/download.htm#LEXICONS |
| 20:16.37 | chops | imagine: Oh, and also sometimes you can't avoid putting /boot on a separate partition. As for /var /usr /home /boot /tmp... pishaw. |
| 20:16.51 | imagine | hmm... EXT3 or RESERF? |
| 20:17.12 | dutchfish | imagine, depends on job |
| 20:17.14 | chops | imagine: Do not use Reiser. Use ext3 unless you have some reason otherwise. |
| 20:17.19 | imagine | ok |
| 20:17.31 | Eulex | imagine, ext3 if you really have to ask. |
| 20:17.39 | imagine | I do :) |
| 20:17.49 | Eulex | imagine, then use ext3. |
| 20:17.52 | imagine | as I don't know reiser at all ;) |
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| 20:18.44 | gpm | this is the oftc #debian, right? |
| 20:18.50 | dutchfish | unless you have a special need ext3 will do nicely because its a solid system with journaling |
| 20:18.52 | jelly-home | gpm: no, freenode |
| 20:18.53 | abrotman | gpm: no |
| 20:18.55 | karsten | gpm: No. |
| 20:18.56 | gpm | lol |
| 20:18.57 | gpm | ok |
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| 20:19.20 | Ace2016 | So anyone using the AMD linux drivers for ati cards now? |
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| 20:19.30 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 20:19.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:20.13 | karsten | !tell Ace2016 about polls |
| 20:20.17 | Ace2016 | no i really just wanted to know if anyone actually uses them or are they sticking with whatever had before |
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| 20:20.39 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: ask #ati |
| 20:20.45 | Ace2016 | kind of curious about the changes and if they are more stable and just general info on gaming performance |
| 20:20.48 | abrotman | Ace2016: has AMD actually released a driver yet? or has any released a F/OSS driver based on the specs ? |
| 20:21.12 | karsten | Ace2016: This really isn't a polling ground. You're better off asking what issues people are having with them, or specific issues you've had. For others' issues, check BTS. |
| 20:21.25 | Eulex | Ace2016, people do certainly use them. I use them, because the free radeon driver tends to lock up my laptop after ~15min, and that's kinda inconvenient if you're developing an opengl game |
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| 20:22.05 | abrotman | Eulex: probably your code |
| 20:22.09 | Ace2016 | http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html |
| 20:22.18 | karsten | Ace2016: LWN articles suggest the drivers won't be available until Christmas or thereabouts. |
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| 20:22.23 | abrotman | Ace2016: is this for a debian machine? |
| 20:22.26 | Ace2016 | Anyone think that page is like a total copy of the design of them nvidia driver selection website? |
| 20:22.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: oh come on, r300 support is really spotty on some cards |
| 20:22.40 | Eulex | abrotman, ^^ |
| 20:22.51 | dutchfish | Ace2016, if ati would develop open source drivers i would use and by ati cards |
| 20:22.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: use vesa .. quit being a wussy |
| 20:22.58 | karsten | Ace2016: http://lwn.net/Articles/247671/ http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ |
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| 20:23.18 | Anthro | Way back when, I remember using tail -r (on Ultrix, I think) to reverse the lines in a file. GNU tail doesn't recognize -r. Is there another tool that will spit out the lines in a file in reverse order? |
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| 20:23.28 | Ace2016 | abrotman: well i asked if people were using it, so i guess they'd have to use the amd installer unless there are debs out already |
| 20:23.30 | abrotman | Anthro: tac |
| 20:23.30 | karsten | Anthro: tac |
| 20:23.42 | abrotman | Ace2016: try ##linux or #ati |
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| 20:23.46 | Anthro | abrotman, karsten: thanks |
| 20:23.47 | xingu | karsten: second comes right after first |
| 20:24.00 | karsten | xingu: ?? |
| 20:24.07 | xingu | karsten: simpsons quote |
| 20:24.34 | jelly-home | !info fglrx-driver sid |
| 20:24.36 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.40.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6047 kB, Installed size: 17656 kB |
| 20:24.43 | Ace2016 | meh, i don't really care about a driving being open source, if a graphics card company wants to keep stuff secret then thats fine with me, but if the drivers work well and i can play ut i'll buy their cards |
| 20:24.51 | karsten | xingu: Don't have a cow, man. |
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| 20:25.13 | jelly-home | !info fglrx-driver experimental |
| 20:25.15 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics cards), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.42.3-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 7342 kB, Installed size: 22900 kB |
| 20:25.17 | jelly-home | there! |
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| 20:25.24 | abrotman | brokenness! |
| 20:25.25 | karsten | Ace2016: That's nice. I care, and prefer open. Proprietary binary blobs are a pain in the ass to support. |
| 20:25.33 | dutchfish | Ace2016, but i do certainly, thats the way they sould be, and i would use them and buy the related cards for sure |
| 20:25.41 | Eulex | Ace2016, that said, an open-source driver will be a lot more convenient to the users. |
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| 20:25.55 | karsten | Ace2016: That's from the perspective of both running my own systems and maintaining desktops/laptops and servers for a 6k+ employee firm. |
| 20:25.59 | abrotman | and possibly the company in the long run |
| 20:26.24 | dutchfish | Ace2016, atm i block all cards the needs closed sources drivers in our firms |
| 20:26.55 | karsten | Ace2016: The HW cert team here strongly deprecates proprietary drivers as well. |
| 20:27.04 | abrotman | deprecates ? |
| 20:27.16 | dutchfish | yep |
| 20:27.26 | abrotman | deprecates doesn't make sense |
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| 20:28.11 | karsten | abrotman: 1913 webster includes the transitive verb form of the word. |
| 20:28.38 | Ace2016 | dutch |
| 20:28.40 | abrotman | karsten: uhm .. i didn't say it wasn't a word .. just that it doesn't make sense there |
| 20:28.46 | stew | karsten: its seems abrotman was deprecating your use of the word deprecate |
| 20:28.48 | xingu | certainly not with "strongly" |
| 20:28.49 | stew | abrotman: it does |
| 20:28.56 | abrotman | no way! |
| 20:28.57 | karsten | abrotman: To disapprove of strongly; to express a low opinion of. |
| 20:29.02 | Ace2016 | dutchfish: really? so what cards are you using? intel? maxtor? |
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| 20:29.08 | Sec | Hi lads |
| 20:29.16 | abrotman | karsten: as opposed to the more standard definition used today? |
| 20:29.26 | jelly-home | nice mispelling of matrox there :-) |
| 20:29.27 | xingu | I prefer the latin root personally |
| 20:29.28 | Sec | i was wandering if debian is suitable for hosting IRCD, BNC's, Shell accounts and websites... |
| 20:29.33 | chops | Ace2016: If you're running GNU/Linux, saying "i don't really care about a driving being open source ... if the drivers work well ... i'll buy their cards" is like saying "I don't really care about the pool being filled with water ... if I can swim and go off the diving board I'll have a good time." |
| 20:29.43 | Ronin | Sec: of course, if youre sadistic enough to do that |
| 20:29.50 | dutchfish | Ace2016, actually because it are so many machine its a color of all kind of cards, but 1 condition they must run on open source drivers |
| 20:29.58 | karsten | abrotman: Which would be? |
| 20:30.03 | abrotman | karsten: deprecate! |
| 20:30.03 | Sec | does debian only use the apt-get cmd? |
| 20:30.11 | abrotman | SEc: also aptitude |
| 20:30.12 | Sec | or is that used on other linux distros? |
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| 20:30.15 | Ronin | Sec: apt-get, aptitude, synaptic |
| 20:30.23 | Sec | only debian yes? |
| 20:30.26 | Ace2016 | chops: um... i really don't get the point from that analogy |
| 20:30.27 | Ronin | Sec: no |
| 20:30.29 | abrotman | other distros have apt |
| 20:30.30 | karsten | jelly-home: Well, matrox video cards are about as useful for long-term data storage as maxtor drives are, so the confusion is understandable. |
| 20:30.33 | Coweater | Sec: many debian based distribution use apt |
| 20:30.35 | jelly-home | Sec: there are other distros that use apt |
| 20:30.44 | Sec | is fedora debian based? |
| 20:30.46 | abrotman | no |
| 20:30.48 | Ronin | Sec: no |
| 20:30.55 | Sec | im not sure which distro to use basically |
| 20:30.56 | abrotman | karsten: you make me feel dirty |
| 20:31.00 | Sec | soo many to choose from |
| 20:31.00 | karsten | Sec: Yes, but everyone denies it. |
| 20:31.04 | Sec | iv used debian before.. |
| 20:31.17 | Sec | but was thinking Fedora, Suse or Red Hat |
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| 20:31.27 | abrotman | Sec: this is #debian ... |
| 20:31.29 | Ace2016 | dutchfish: well if you got old cards off ebay you could just use the nvidia drivers, they are in the repositories, so i don't really know why you block them |
| 20:31.32 | streuner | Sec: just run /topic and you should be able to expect what we recommend ;-) |
| 20:31.33 | Supaplex | where else can I look for issues enountered following this? http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers gcc is trying to use depends on 'binutils-' and not 'binutils-i486something' http://rafb.net/p/wx1E8s47.html |
| 20:31.37 | jelly-home | karsten: acterly they're pretty much alive in niche market (driving lots of displays -- air traffic control and similar) |
| 20:31.39 | karsten | Sec: Fedora is a community-based distro spawned from RHEL. |
| 20:31.57 | karsten | jelly-home: ?? Who are alive? |
| 20:32.00 | Sec | RHEL = Red Hat? |
| 20:32.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:32.02 | jelly-home | karsten: matrox |
| 20:32.03 | Ronin | Sec: yes |
| 20:32.05 | chops | Ace2016: If you're running Debian unstable, or any nonstandard architecture, or any old hardware, you'll have problems with your closed source drivers. It's only because 3D is so valuable that people put in the herculean effort that it's required to make them work in a free software environment at all. |
| 20:32.13 | Ace2016 | fedora's look changed, now its more like kubuntu |
| 20:32.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: do they still make those nifty 8-head cards? |
| 20:32.26 | karsten | jelly-home: Matrox is a fine video card. It's just a shitty hard drive ;-) |
| 20:32.28 | Sec | lol |
| 20:32.31 | Sec | slackware any good? |
| 20:32.38 | abrotman | Debian is good |
| 20:32.48 | dutchfish | Ace2016, i dont gone tell wich cards, or wich brands, thats oftopic, i say, if manufacturers would care for developing open source drivers that work, i would buy the cards and use them |
| 20:32.57 | karsten | Sec: If you ask here, we love Debian and everything else sucks. /join ##linux |
| 20:33.03 | themill | Sec: the only answer you'll get here is "Debian is good". There's not much else we can tell you. |
| 20:33.12 | xingu | adverbence is good |
| 20:33.31 | Supaplex | Sec: debian R O C K S ! so use it. :P |
| 20:33.41 | jelly-home | debian/rules |
| 20:33.47 | Supaplex | har :P |
| 20:33.47 | themill | heh |
| 20:33.51 | chops | Ace2016: I'm saying that saying you want things to work, but you don't mind closed-source drivers, is a non sequiteur. Closed source drivers on a open kernel is a royal PITA to support at all (though on a closed, stable-ABI kernel like Windows they're perfectly usable). |
| 20:34.07 | karsten | !tell Sec about why debian |
| 20:34.24 | Ace2016 | chops: oh now i get it, so you mean that the pool being filled with water was done for me, but its a lot harder to fill the pool with a propriatory driver than an open source driver? |
| 20:34.29 | karsten | Sec: ... which will give you some of the advantages / benefits of Debian. Other distros have their own strengths. |
| 20:34.31 | Sec | thanks lads |
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| 20:34.41 | karsten | Sec: NP |
| 20:34.58 | xingu | don't ever fill a pool with jell-o |
| 20:35.17 | dutchfish | closed source wil be dead anyway in the near future, its like i sinking ship |
| 20:35.33 | jelly-home | xingu: is that experience talking. |
| 20:35.42 | themill | dutchfish: I love your optimism! |
| 20:35.45 | abrotman | xingu: jello shots ? :) |
| 20:35.56 | xingu | jelly-home: bitter, bitter experience |
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| 20:36.01 | chops | dutchfish: Closed source has its place IMHO, but driving hardware for Linux isn't it :-) |
| 20:36.03 | Ace2016 | wait so if nvidia is closed source does that mean its precompiled? what does its installer do when you install it, copy other files? is it like a closed source part and an open source part which merges the closed source binary precompiled bit onto the kernel and make sure the closed source part knows about the options the kernel was compiled with? |
| 20:36.07 | xingu | jelly-home: you think it takes a while to set in the fridge... |
| 20:36.18 | dutchfish | chops, i strongly agree |
| 20:37.02 | Ace2016 | wait the installer needs gcc so it has to compile it, so i guess it is in 2 or parts, or the entire driver is compiled from source which kind of like giving the source away for anyone to look at |
| 20:37.05 | jelly-home | Ace2016: yes. there's a precompiled object bit and a thin wrapper to bind it to kernel |
| 20:37.14 | Ace2016 | thought so |
| 20:37.36 | dutchfish | open source is like the weak force in quantum mechanics ;) |
| 20:37.50 | tct | whats the name of the command to edit the sudoers file? |
| 20:37.54 | petemc | visudo |
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| 20:37.58 | tct | k |
| 20:38.00 | yoshx | hello |
| 20:38.02 | Ace2016 | well at least it works and i can enjoy xgl, thats the main thing,i'd be nice if an open source version came along |
| 20:38.06 | themill | dutchfish: I'm understanding the fission reference, but not sure about the rest of the analogy,... |
| 20:38.28 | Sec | how come alot of hosting companies use Red Hat? |
| 20:38.33 | xingu | themill: he means opensource is a hole, that we're all falling into |
| 20:38.34 | Ronin | Sec: ask them |
| 20:38.41 | jelly-home | Sec: it has commercial support. |
| 20:38.45 | dutchfish | themill, sure this is offtopic, sorry, but its so strong connected to linux and debian, its hard to ressist to talk about |
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| 20:38.51 | Sec | thats it? |
| 20:38.52 | Sec | lol |
| 20:38.53 | Sec | oh dear |
| 20:39.03 | tminos | s/support/somebody to blame/ |
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| 20:39.19 | xingu | buthangonasecond even the main system logic board is a peripheral, and has its own twee little closed source blob that executes behind ring0's back |
| 20:39.37 | xingu | you'd be hard pressed to find a peripheral that didn't, today |
| 20:39.42 | xingu | yay for high speed serial busses |
| 20:39.43 | Sec | anyone here used CentOS or gentoo? |
| 20:39.51 | xingu | and packetisation |
| 20:39.51 | Asmooh | eh |
| 20:39.55 | Ronin | Sec: what channel are you in? |
| 20:39.55 | Asmooh | this is #debian |
| 20:39.57 | Sec | as i was told for servers go Debian/FreeBSD/CentOS due to stabality |
| 20:39.58 | Sec | debian :P |
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| 20:40.07 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 20:40.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 20:40.10 | Sec | lol |
| 20:40.15 | Sec | lol |
| 20:40.16 | Sec | rofl |
| 20:40.22 | dutchfish | lol |
| 20:40.34 | Sec | debian doesnt even need configuration even an idiot like me can do it... |
| 20:40.42 | Ronin | Sec: seriously try ##linux for your non debian specific questions,we'll alwasys answer debian here :) |
| 20:40.42 | DawnLight | can i, when starting a process, make it so that it will terminate n seconds later? |
| 20:41.02 | Sec | ok thanks |
| 20:41.32 | Sec | fuck it |
| 20:41.36 | Sec | ill stick to good old debian :P |
| 20:41.42 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:41.45 | Sec | Hihi |
| 20:41.45 | karsten | DawnLight: Debian. |
| 20:41.45 | Sec | :) |
| 20:41.46 | Ace2016 | Hi |
| 20:41.51 | jelly-home | !info timeout |
| 20:41.56 | dpkg | timeout: (Run a command with a time limit.), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.11-6.3 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 20:42.08 | all | i'm going to be all for a while |
| 20:42.08 | chops | DawnLight: yes > /dev/null & sleep 10 && kill $! |
| 20:42.25 | karsten | DawnLight: Another option is the bash 'read' builtin, which accepts a '-w' (wait) argument, in seconds. |
| 20:42.36 | dkr | chops: isn't $! that last argument to previous command? |
| 20:42.54 | jelly-home | dkr: that would be $_ |
| 20:42.56 | Ace2016 | bye all |
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| 20:43.27 | dkr | jelly-home: actually, it would be !$ I'm dyslexic today, :) |
| 20:43.30 | karsten | OK, proof that Linux isn't as advanced as it should be. |
| 20:43.34 | karsten | There's an 'id' command. |
| 20:43.38 | karsten | ... but no 'ego'. |
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| 20:43.59 | karsten | dkr: If you were dyslexic, you'd be drk |
| 20:44.00 | jelly-home | karsten: but there's superuser. |
| 20:44.14 | karsten | jelly-home: No superego though. |
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| 20:44.40 | ttuttle | I need a program that will let me take a PDF file (or postscript) and let me measure distances between points on the page by selecting them. |
| 20:44.41 | DawnLight | dkr: did you tell me about perl earlier? |
| 20:44.45 | karsten | jelly-home: And the superuser is root, and a root is a pipe, and a pipe is really a phallus. |
| 20:44.46 | jelly-home | karsten: not really, there are not many egoless users. |
| 20:44.58 | ttuttle | (Basically I have a floorplan as a PDF and I need to compare distances.) |
| 20:45.11 | dutchfish | is this the shrink-o-matic forum? |
| 20:45.12 | dkr | DawnLight: I gave you a perl example to open and write data to a serial port |
| 20:45.15 | jelly-home | karsten: there is no pipe. |
| 20:45.23 | karsten | jelly-home: ... which gets to the deeply rooted sexual fixation Feudian complex of Unix. |
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| 20:45.38 | ttuttle | lol |
| 20:45.52 | karsten | dutchfish: emacs ^M doctor |
| 20:45.53 | dkr | DawnLight: no, but it isn't that hard, something like use Device::SerialPort; my $port = new Device::SerialPort('/dev/ttys0'); $port->write(pack("C",0x02); |
| 20:46.10 | karsten | dutchfish: ... or psychoanalyze-pinhead if you prefer |
| 20:46.10 | DawnLight | dkr: did i tell you i've found xxd -r -p? |
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| 20:46.22 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 20:46.42 | dkr | xxd - make a hexdump or do the reverse. nifty |
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| 20:47.25 | themill | ttuttle: look at jimage (not packaged for debian, but google will find it for you). You'll probably need to rasterise the image using imagemagick convert or similar first. |
| 20:47.41 | ttuttle | ok |
| 20:47.52 | ttuttle | oh if i can rasterize I can use other apps. |
| 20:47.52 | Asmooh | eh |
| 20:47.55 | Asmooh | i wonder |
| 20:48.03 | Asmooh | when does adobe releases an 64bit flash? :P |
| 20:48.13 | jelly-home | Asmooh: ask them. |
| 20:48.16 | Asmooh | hhe |
| 20:48.19 | Asmooh | yea |
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| 20:48.36 | dutchfish | Asmooh, when does it stops producing security holes? |
| 20:48.41 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 20:48.42 | Asmooh | true :) |
| 20:49.02 | themill | ttuttle: yes, you could rasterise with any number of apps.... imagemagick is just probably the most common one to use and you can script it if you want. Gimp can do it too |
| 20:49.31 | Asmooh | dutchfish, are there so much holes in x64? |
| 20:49.52 | dutchfish | Asmooh, google on i t |
| 20:51.14 | Asmooh | i only see windows 64bit security holes |
| 20:51.14 | Asmooh | :p |
| 20:51.16 | themill | ttuttle: gv will give you mouse cursor positions too. It can load ps files.... but then you've got to deal with converting the cursor positions to real coordinates. imagej (sorry, it's imagej not jimage... my bad) is designed for quantifying images and understands things like scale bars, measurement lines, areas within objects etc |
| 20:51.38 | Supaplex | how does BINUTILS_BUILD_DEP get populated via dpkg-buildpackage? in specific with gcc. c/o http://rafb.net/p/wx1E8s47.html |
| 20:51.47 | ttuttle | themill: the shitty floorplan does not have a scale ;-) |
| 20:51.55 | ttuttle | themill: but that sounds useful |
| 20:52.49 | sayers | With crontab would : 10 * * * * webalizer : run webalizer every ten minutes? |
| 20:53.19 | themill | ttuttle: well... if you have something with a known length on the image (e.g. a dimensioned wall), then imagej will still help. |
| 20:53.27 | Tramp | sayers: no. At the tenth. |
| 20:53.37 | sayers | sayers: the tenth of every hour |
| 20:53.40 | sayers | I don't want that |
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| 20:54.01 | vrr | Hello :) Could you suggest any additional cryptographic extension, except dmcrypt & pgp ? |
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| 20:54.57 | dkr | extension to what? |
| 20:55.10 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 20:55.13 | Tramp | sayers: You may want "man 5 crontab" |
| 20:55.21 | sayers | Tramp: I think I got it. |
| 20:55.25 | Fox_1_ | people I have a problem with kde. |
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| 20:55.33 | Ronin | vrr: whats wrong with pgp? |
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| 20:55.40 | Ronin | Fox_1_: a bit more information please |
| 20:55.53 | Fox_1_ | when the gdm started my keyboad work proprly |
| 20:55.58 | dkr | Ronin: you don't like information-free preambles to questions? ;) |
| 20:56.01 | Fox_1_ | *properly |
| 20:56.07 | Ronin | heh dkr |
| 20:56.18 | vrr | Ronin: ability to decrypt filest and disks i believe a little bit bad thing |
| 20:56.28 | Fox_1_ | but when I'm logging in to KDE it's stoping working |
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| 20:56.40 | Ronin | vrr: pardon? |
| 20:56.45 | Fox_1_ | the NumLock light doesn't turn on/off |
| 20:56.53 | Fox_1_ | I don't understand why |
| 20:56.54 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 20:56.56 | Fox_1_ | it' |
| 20:56.59 | Ronin | isnt that what its supposed to do? encrypt/decrypt |
| 20:57.08 | alex88ita | like is there any1 who uses XFCE + debian? |
| 20:57.13 | Fox_1_ | it was worked about 3 |
| 20:57.24 | Fox_1_ | day ago |
| 20:57.41 | dkr | Fox_1_: how did you switch from gdm to kde? |
| 20:57.42 | Ronin | Fox_1_: sid by any chance? |
| 20:57.44 | sayers | !ask | alex88ita |
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| 20:58.07 | Fox_1_ | change the session into KDE and logging in |
| 20:58.08 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 20:58.14 | alex88ita | i was wondering about how it works and if it is efficent |
| 20:58.21 | Fox_1_ | Ronin, what? |
| 20:58.23 | jelly-home | sayers: "!tell alex88ita about ask" |
| 20:58.26 | sayers | It works great on my laptop and is quite fast |
| 20:58.33 | sayers | jelly-home: Oh |
| 20:58.34 | Ronin | Fox_1_: which debian are you running? |
| 20:58.39 | dkr | so you ran kde from gdm. that shouldn't affect xorg.conf at all, seems odd that it would affect the mouse |
| 20:58.42 | dkr | er, keyboard |
| 20:58.45 | Fox_1_ | etch 4.0 |
| 20:58.58 | vrr | Ronin: some people believe that algorithm which is pgp use now not strong enough at current time, at least if key length not enough long, in any case regarding to disks encryption not strong at all. in any case the stronger algorithm now, the better result in future |
| 20:59.00 | alex88ita | cool |
| 20:59.17 | alex88ita | thanks sayers what about the packages? |
| 20:59.36 | Fox_1_ | dkr, but it was worked |
| 20:59.37 | jelly-home | alex88ita: it works. there are memory leaks on some machines. |
| 20:59.50 | sayers | alex88ita: it has a really nice weather viewer and GTK app's look nice |
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| 20:59.53 | themill | ttuttle: actually, imagej is packaged for debian.... even better. It's only in lenny/sid, but it's a java package so you should be able to install it into an etch system without any problems. |
| 20:59.59 | jeward_ | Hi, I'm having trouble with upgrading a sarge system to etch, specifically with linux-image-686. |
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| 21:00.10 | ttuttle | themill: I'm having trouble getting IM to rasterize it. It comes out fuzzy, no matter what size I ask it for. |
| 21:00.12 | alex88ita | i wanna try it |
| 21:00.21 | Fox_1_ | as I understand if the problem be in xorg.conf so gdm souldn't work too. right? |
| 21:00.22 | alex88ita | i use gnome 2.20 right now |
| 21:00.51 | dkr | Fox_1_: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for anythign about kb |
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| 21:00.51 | dkr | Fox_1_: good point |
| 21:00.51 | jeward_ | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 21:00.51 | jeward_ | 2.6.18-4-686 on running kernel 2.6.6-1-686-smp in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 21:00.54 | themill | ttuttle: are you changing -density for IM (not the size) |
| 21:01.00 | ttuttle | themill: I tried that. |
| 21:01.05 | jeward_ | Can anyone help me with this? |
| 21:01.06 | themill | ttuttle: :( |
| 21:01.13 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 21:01.19 | Fox_1_ | I'll back :) |
| 21:01.30 | ttuttle | themill: it always comes out to the same size. |
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| 21:02.12 | jelly-home | jeward_: which release of debian are you running? |
| 21:02.22 | jeward_ | jelly-home: sarge |
| 21:02.40 | jeward_ | jelly-home: I've upgraded like 30 servers already and this is the first time this has happened. |
| 21:02.44 | dkr | jeward_: did you apply all updates to sarge system before changing your apt/sources.list to do the sarge->etch upgrade? |
| 21:02.52 | dutchfish | !dist-upgrade |
| 21:02.52 | dpkg | dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch> |
| 21:03.01 | jeward_ | dkr: Possibly not? |
| 21:03.54 | jeward_ | dkr: I update all of the systems regularly, but it is possible this one wasn't 100% updated sarge. |
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| 21:04.41 | jeward_ | So what do I do from here? |
| 21:04.54 | dkr | find and install a suitable ramdisk generation tool, :) |
| 21:04.57 | themill | ttuttle: hmm... "convert -density 150 foo.pdf foo.png" works for me |
| 21:05.11 | jeward_ | dkr: Which one do you recommend? |
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| 21:05.36 | pickcoder | ttuttle: use ghostscript with the jpeg or tiff output device |
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| 21:05.54 | pickcoder | or png |
| 21:06.29 | jeward_ | dkr: aptitude search ramdisk returns nothing. |
| 21:06.31 | jelly-home | jeward_: there's only yaird or initramfs-tools. |
| 21:06.39 | dkr | jeward_: mkinitramfs instead the old style mkinitrd |
| 21:06.55 | Ronin | vrr: you asked in #pgp? assuming there is such a thing? or on the mailing list? |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | i think it's #gnupg |
| 21:07.24 | dkr | jeward_: linux-initramfs-tool looks liek the package |
| 21:07.36 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.37 | dkr | oops, thats virt package. initramfs-tools is it |
| 21:07.43 | Ronin | abrotman: indeed |
| 21:07.49 | abrotman | Ronin: i found help there once! |
| 21:08.36 | jeward_ | It wants udev, but it's not installable? |
| 21:10.05 | dkr | jeward_: what was the command that resulted in your original error about ramdisk generation tool? |
| 21:10.22 | jeward_ | aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 21:10.45 | jeward_ | Same as the previous 30 servers. :) |
| 21:10.48 | Sec | is debian x64 in testing stages |
| 21:10.54 | Sec | or has it well passed that and its stable? |
| 21:10.58 | abrotman | it's part of stable |
| 21:11.05 | abrotman | x86_64 or amd64 |
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| 21:11.47 | dkr | jeward_: hrm, the release notes actually say to aptitude install initrd-tools , oh for minimal uipgrade. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-newkernel |
| 21:11.51 | Sec | whats the different abrotman? |
| 21:11.57 | Sec | i want a 64 bit debian basically lol |
| 21:12.08 | Sec | x86_64 with amd64? |
| 21:12.09 | themill | Sec: what's the hardware |
| 21:12.19 | Sec | running amd sempron 64 |
| 21:12.21 | Sec | amd2 |
| 21:12.34 | dutchfish | dkr, i can can confirm, what i did, was manually install it when i ran into the same problem once |
| 21:13.49 | dutchfish | dkr, that is if this is possible still at the moment |
| 21:14.06 | jeward_ | dkr: Still borks on the initrd error because linux-image-686 is not yet configured. |
| 21:14.25 | jeward_ | Do I need to uninstall linux-image-686? |
| 21:15.05 | dutchfish | jeward_, after installing initrd-tools or simulair |
| 21:15.25 | dutchfish | jeward_, this also update libc6 |
| 21:15.31 | jeward_ | dutchfish: installing initrd-tools fails because linux-image-686 is unconfigured. |
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| 21:16.34 | stew | jeward_: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 21:16.44 | dutchfish | jeward_, maybe you can install initramfs-tools from etch yet? |
| 21:16.52 | stew | jeward_: initrd-tools should only be used with old kernels (< 2.6.13) |
| 21:16.53 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, I seen on the debian install that there's an option to use LVM to encrypt the filesystem.... practicaly, how does it works ? I have to type a password everytime I boot ? |
| 21:16.56 | jeward_ | stew: I'm going through upgrading 220 sarge servers to etch. |
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| 21:17.11 | stew | jeward_: are you following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 21:17.25 | jeward_ | stew: This is about the 30th one, it borked on installing linux-image-686. I'm trying to recover and move on from that. |
| 21:17.25 | vyrus001 | how do i tell debian not to hold anything back when i do an apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:17.35 | jeward_ | stew: I believe so. |
| 21:17.40 | dkr | rubymonk: it's not part of lvm, it is a separate option, you can use both, though. yes, you have to enter passphrase at boot |
| 21:17.47 | stew | jeward_: and what is the problem installing linux-image-686? |
| 21:18.00 | dutchfish | jeward_, read the section about minimal upgrade |
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| 21:18.13 | jeward_ | Let me get a fresh error message. |
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| 21:18.26 | stew | vyrus001: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 21:18.27 | rubymonk | dkr, ok, thanks |
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| 21:18.37 | jeward_ | stew: Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 21:18.37 | jeward_ | 2.6.18-4-686 on running kernel 2.6.6-1-686-smp in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 21:18.50 | stew | jeward_: aptitude install initramfs-tools |
| 21:19.20 | jeward_ | stew: That fails saying linux-image-686 is not configured. |
| 21:19.22 | rubymonk | I'm looking for a tool to encrypt the filesystem and that wouldn't prompt for password at boot... |
| 21:19.28 | stew | jeward_: showus |
| 21:19.30 | stew | err |
| 21:19.33 | stew | jeward_: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 21:22.17 | gambakufu | hi |
| 21:22.19 | jeward_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/d66917e61 |
| 21:22.28 | dkr | rubymonk: you can set a blank passphrase I think. seems a bit silly, though |
| 21:22.31 | jeward_ | stew: Sorry, it's long. |
| 21:22.38 | stew | jeward_: why do you want to isntall initrd-tools? |
| 21:22.43 | gambakufu | any idea why after doing apt-get install gcc I can't compile programs? |
| 21:22.52 | jeward_ | stew: So I can install linux-image-686? |
| 21:22.53 | gambakufu | I get errors of missing headers and such. |
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| 21:23.07 | stew | 17:16 < stew> jeward_: initrd-tools should only be used with old kernels (< 2.6.13) |
| 21:23.09 | rubymonk | dkr, Yeah, would be silly |
| 21:23.10 | stew | 17:18 < stew> jeward_: aptitude install initramfs-tools |
| 21:23.26 | jeward_ | stew: It errors out similarly. Want me to paste-bin that? |
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| 21:23.28 | dkr | gambakufu: install build-essential |
| 21:23.31 | stew | jeward_: yes |
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| 21:24.28 | jidar | is there some tool I can run to re-configure X? |
| 21:24.30 | jeward_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/m66732c53 |
| 21:24.40 | jeward_ | stew: I lied, that one wants udev. |
| 21:24.48 | themill | !tell jidar about drxx |
| 21:24.49 | gambakufu | thanks. |
| 21:25.03 | dkr | jidar: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:25.04 | stew | jeward_: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy udev"? |
| 21:25.10 | jeward_ | Certainly. |
| 21:25.20 | dkr | themill: ah, that's the factoid |
| 21:25.38 | gambakufu | hmm... I get a broken packages error. |
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| 21:25.56 | jeward_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/m1e8f2e40 |
| 21:26.01 | dkr | gambakufu: installing build-essentials failed? |
| 21:26.07 | gambakufu | yes |
| 21:26.14 | themill | dkr: :) |
| 21:26.15 | dkr | er, build-essential actually |
| 21:26.26 | stew | jeward_: what happens when you try to install udev? |
| 21:26.56 | jeward_ | stew: udev: Conflicts: hotplug but 0.0.20040329-26 is installed. |
| 21:27.04 | jeward_ | Should I uninstall hotplug? |
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| 21:27.17 | themill | gambakufu: can you pastebin that error? |
| 21:27.31 | stew | jeward_: yes, you have to remove hotplug. but i don't know why "aptitude install udev" wouldn't do that for you |
| 21:27.44 | jeward_ | stew: Me too neither. |
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| 21:27.53 | gambakufu | I'll try figuring out how to copy+paste from vmware:) |
| 21:28.23 | dutchfish | stew, because udev does not install on curent kernel he has? |
| 21:29.03 | stew | dutchfish: no |
| 21:29.40 | syamajala | hmm |
| 21:29.46 | gambakufu | themill: http://rafb.net/p/asTbAu53.html |
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| 21:29.58 | gambakufu | err... wrong paste. sec. |
| 21:30.01 | jeward_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/m3aab06 |
| 21:30.07 | jeward_ | I seem to have a Catch 22. |
| 21:30.15 | jidar | dkr, themill thanks. |
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| 21:30.49 | stew | jeward_: no, you are making progress, now "aptitude install initramfs-tools" |
| 21:30.57 | techouse | i've a compiz-fusion problem...anybody willing to help? |
| 21:30.58 | themill | gambakufu: sounds like an aptitude update (or apt-get update) would be a good idea |
| 21:31.06 | stew | jeward_: or consider just doing all of this at once with the aptitude frontend |
| 21:31.21 | abrotman | there is a #compiz-fusion |
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| 21:32.05 | gambakufu | themill: this is the correct paste http://rafb.net/p/r7moPC34.html |
| 21:32.16 | jeward_ | stew: http://pastebin.com/m50d57cb2 |
| 21:32.17 | gambakufu | I tried apt-get update, and it didn't help. |
| 21:32.39 | jeward_ | stew: I've never used the aptitude frontend. |
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| 21:33.05 | stew | jeward_: did you install initramfs-tools? |
| 21:33.10 | gambakufu | could changing the mirror help, perhaps? |
| 21:33.18 | jeward_ | stew: I tried, and pasted you the errors. |
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| 21:33.24 | jeward_ | Paste before last. |
| 21:33.28 | jeward_ | Shall I try again? |
| 21:33.31 | themill | gambakufu: do you have some strange pinning? |
| 21:33.51 | stew | jeward_: i do not see it |
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| 21:34.02 | jeward_ | stew: Okay, loks like it went through this try. |
| 21:34.08 | gambakufu | what are strange pinnings? |
| 21:34.10 | jeward_ | After purging hotplug. |
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| 21:34.29 | wols | gambakufu: any pinning |
| 21:34.40 | gambakufu | what's a pinning? |
| 21:34.49 | themill | gambakufu: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for us |
| 21:34.49 | jeward_ | Whew! Finally got the kernel installed! |
| 21:34.57 | wols | !tell gambakufu about pinning |
| 21:35.03 | jeward_ | stew (and all): Thanks! |
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| 21:36.28 | dutchfish | anyway can tell me how to file kernel traps wich curent (latest security fix) kernel for etch when i run screen for longer then 2 hours, it does on 2 machines ... |
| 21:36.31 | gambakufu | themill: http://rafb.net/p/8qiWgX15.html |
| 21:36.53 | BlaZember | hi guys |
| 21:37.05 | stiv2k | hey how come even though i told devilspie to place a terminal on workspace 4 it keeps putting it in workspace 1 anyway???? |
| 21:37.10 | BlaZember | I have a 64bit sarge with kernel 2.6.17 |
| 21:37.29 | BlaZember | when I put 4G of RAM into it, the system became extremely slow |
| 21:37.32 | themill | gambakufu: I'm wondering if the debian.co.il mirror is stuffed. perhaps try another one |
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| 21:37.39 | BlaZember | the boot took 15 mins :( |
| 21:37.45 | BlaZember | do you have any idea ? |
| 21:38.08 | syamajala | i have fbsplash kinda working |
| 21:38.23 | gambakufu | is there an application that list other mirrors, or is that only in the setup? |
| 21:38.46 | gambakufu | ah, netselect. |
| 21:38.49 | syamajala | i converted a bootsplash theme, but when i boot it says failed to load image /etc/splash/blackdebian/images/silent-800x600.jpg |
| 21:38.55 | dutchfish | i got this kernel crash on 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 |
| 21:38.57 | syamajala | image size mismatch |
| 21:39.06 | fignew | BlaZember: did you change anything in the Kernel? |
| 21:39.17 | fignew | BlaZember: scratch that, BIOS. |
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| 21:39.47 | BlaZember | yes, it is a self compiled one, patched with grsec |
| 21:39.55 | freak_ | hi |
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| 21:40.53 | BlaZember | fignew: what sgould I search for in the BIOS ? |
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| 21:41.09 | syamajala | i did convert -resize 800x600 |
| 21:41.14 | fignew | BlaZember: is the computer booted? |
| 21:41.20 | zOap | how do I reset my alsa audio card, it's hung... |
| 21:41.26 | syamajala | but it made the picture 750x600 |
| 21:41.28 | BlaZember | yes, but _extremely_ slow |
| 21:41.32 | syamajala | how do i fix that? |
| 21:41.38 | BlaZember | took 15 mins |
| 21:41.47 | fignew | BlaZember: how much CPU does top use? |
| 21:41.53 | stew | zOap: /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 21:42.00 | BlaZember | top uses 70% of C{U |
| 21:42.02 | zOap | stew, thanks:) |
| 21:42.03 | BlaZember | CPU |
| 21:42.09 | BlaZember | :O |
| 21:42.33 | stew | BlaZember: can you run "vmstat 1" and then go do something that is slow, then show us the output of vmstat? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:42.38 | stiv2k | hey how come even though i told devilspie to place a terminal on workspace 4 it keeps putting it in workspace 1 anyway???? |
| 21:42.52 | fignew | BlaZember: Go in the BIOS and look for a "compatibility mode" |
| 21:42.56 | fignew | option |
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| 21:43.06 | fignew | make sure it's disabled |
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| 21:43.23 | fignew | I had the same problem and that was the cause :/ |
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| 21:44.06 | BlaZember | fignew: thx, checking that |
| 21:44.16 | BlaZember | stew: thx, checking it after the BIOS |
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| 21:45.54 | DustyDingo | hm, i want to perform a recursive chmod but omit all directories itself |
| 21:46.01 | abrotman | man find |
| 21:46.13 | karsten | DustyDingo: find + xargs, limit to files. |
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| 21:46.27 | DustyDingo | ah, thats an idear |
| 21:47.11 | karsten | No, it's a solution ;-) |
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| 21:48.06 | karsten | find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod <mode> |
| 21:48.31 | gambakufu | yup, changing mirrors seems to have fixed it. |
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| 21:48.40 | gambakufu | thanks. |
| 21:48.52 | dutchfish | how cna i log kernel crashes from a full booted machine? |
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| 21:49.12 | karsten | dutchfish: serial console |
| 21:49.44 | dutchfish | karsten, pipe form ttyS0 to log on 2nd machine? |
| 21:49.48 | karsten | dutchfish: Pretty much anything else is going to lose data, since you're relying on the kernel to get the bits out to you. |
| 21:49.56 | karsten | dutchfish: Something like that. |
| 21:50.01 | tdrusk | When I do a full install hibernate works okay, but when I do a minimal install and install the hibernate package with recommended packages it doesn't work. What am I missing? |
| 21:50.33 | dutchfish | karsten, found out that screen does trash my kernel in some way, or the process it contains .. no tsure |
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| 21:54.20 | techouse | i've got a compiz-fusion problem: when i want to focus to another window by clicking on a window in the back of the currently focused window, it focuses to it but leaves the previously focused window right where it was - over the newly focused window... what should i do? |
| 21:54.56 | techouse | the only way to absolutely focus to a window is by clicking the titlebar of the window in the back |
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| 21:55.51 | syamajala | arg! |
| 21:55.56 | stiv2k | anyone here use devilspie? |
| 21:56.12 | syamajala | imagemagick isn't doing what i want |
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| 21:58.03 | DustyDingo | syamajala: it doesn't serve cookies? |
| 21:58.04 | dutchfish | karsten, how to redirect the console to /dev/ttyS1 , do you know? |
| 21:58.07 | Nostahl | hi everyone! |
| 21:58.21 | Nostahl | i just downloaded the business card cd iso |
| 21:58.24 | Nostahl | and poped it in |
| 21:58.34 | Nostahl | and it asked me to choose a place to install itself |
| 21:58.36 | Nostahl | so i choose my usb drive |
| 21:58.45 | Nostahl | will this actualy work to let me boot debian from my usb drive now? |
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| 21:59.30 | dutchfish | Nostahl, if you mean the business card install, yes |
| 21:59.42 | BlaZember | fignew: where should be the compatibility mode in the bios ? |
| 21:59.51 | Asmooh | HEY guys how do i fix this? : http://dengpeng.name/upload/images/screenshot-genie-effect.png (found it on google) whats this effect? i meen not compiz but the icons below and transparant menu balk |
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| 22:00.04 | BlaZember | btw that is that ? |
| 22:00.04 | Nostahl | what windows manager does debian use by default? |
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| 22:00.18 | streuner | DE (GNOME) |
| 22:00.26 | fignew | BlaZember: I dont remember what menu it would be under |
| 22:00.31 | streuner | Desktop-Environment |
| 22:00.38 | BlaZember | i'm afraid that I don't have compatibility mode :( is it possible ? |
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| 22:00.48 | streuner | Nostahl: you can install any WM you want |
| 22:00.56 | Nostahl | woot |
| 22:00.58 | BlaZember | its a 1 year old MSI motherboard with |
| 22:01.01 | Nostahl | wich one's do you guys suggest |
| 22:01.09 | Asmooh | gnome |
| 22:01.11 | Nostahl | i've only had experience with Jwm so far |
| 22:01.12 | fignew | BlaZember: it sets your CPU speed so it's runs at the correct speed for old DOS programs |
| 22:01.14 | h3sp4wn | Nostahl: any you wnant |
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| 22:01.24 | h3sp4wn | Nostahl: *want |
| 22:01.35 | fignew | BlaZember: It's very possible you don't have the option |
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| 22:01.54 | BlaZember | fignew: thx |
| 22:02.03 | Nostahl | how do you guys like debian? |
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| 22:02.32 | streuner | Nostahl: well, we hate Debian, thats we hanging around here :-P |
| 22:02.36 | Nostahl | hehe |
| 22:02.37 | Asmooh | lol |
| 22:02.40 | streuner | s/we/why/ |
| 22:02.44 | syamajala | fsck!!! |
| 22:02.45 | h3sp4wn | Nostahl: how ? there is no real answer to that without it being irrelevant |
| 22:02.46 | Nostahl | so far my linux intro has been Puppy linux |
| 22:02.49 | Nostahl | DSL |
| 22:02.52 | Nostahl | and slax |
| 22:02.55 | Nostahl | and mandriva |
| 22:03.07 | fignew | If what stew said doesn't work, then try taking out the ram you added and see if your speed comes back |
| 22:03.25 | fignew | also, you can try resetting the BIOS options to the defaults |
| 22:03.33 | fignew | Nostahl: no Ubuntu? |
| 22:03.40 | Asmooh | can anyone check my link to the screenshot? i still wonder what kind off effect he made for the menu below? |
| 22:03.45 | Nostahl | oh yea i tryed ubuntu on the downstairs desktop |
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| 22:03.51 | Nostahl | but it couldnt connect to the wireless |
| 22:03.54 | Nostahl | so i gave up on it |
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| 22:05.13 | Nostahl | any of you guys ever play Second Life? |
| 22:05.31 | fignew | Already got one, thanks |
| 22:05.50 | Nostahl | i've been hoping to get it running in linux |
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| 22:07.41 | fignew | Nostahl: should work fine |
| 22:07.42 | wols | Nostahl: do you have a debian related question? |
| 22:08.10 | Nostahl | not quite yet but i will in a few minutes once its finnished installing i hope |
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| 22:09.45 | stiv2k | anyone here use devilspie? |
| 22:09.54 | wols | !anyone use devilspie |
| 22:09.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses devilspie, not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:10.53 | Nostahl | anyone familiar with creatting there own window skins and icons and such |
| 22:11.38 | wols | Nostahl: write your own widget set and windowmanager if you want that |
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| 22:12.06 | Nostahl | do you know of any end user based programs that would let me hand draw stuff and scan it in to use? |
| 22:12.26 | wols | xsane is great for scanning |
| 22:12.50 | Nostahl | i mean as far as implementing it in a window manager |
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| 22:13.40 | Trollinator | How can i configure compiz on Sid? |
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| 22:14.18 | jelly-home | stiv2k: I won't answer this time. :-) |
| 22:14.47 | wols | Trollinator: what videocard? |
| 22:14.59 | Trollinator | wols: nvidia |
| 22:15.22 | Trollinator | X.org is already configured |
| 22:15.30 | Trollinator | and i can start compiz |
| 22:15.44 | wols | so what's the fuss? |
| 22:16.04 | Trollinator | i was asking how to _configure_ compiz, not how to _run_ it. |
| 22:16.04 | stiv2k | jelly-home: haha i forgot what your name was when i last spoke to you |
| 22:16.13 | hark | Trollinator: /apps/compiz ,using gconf-editor say |
| 22:16.13 | schemelab | On Debian/Etch, I'm getting "command not in docroot" when suexec attempts to run a cgi script |
| 22:16.32 | Trollinator | hark: isn't there a way to do it without gconf-editor? |
| 22:16.35 | stiv2k | jelly-home: i set two applications to appear on workspace 4, and two applications to appear on workspace 1, but all four of them just show up on workspace 1.... |
| 22:16.49 | stiv2k | and they are all overlapping eachother and shit and it looks fugly.. |
| 22:16.58 | stiv2k | is that some known issue that it does that? |
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| 22:17.08 | hark | Trollinator: gconftool-2 ? :) |
| 22:17.09 | _vvd | something is resetting my dpms settings ... can i somehow prevent any app to change "xset"-things? |
| 22:17.41 | stew | stiv2k: if it was a known issue it would be in the bts. if its is not in the bts, you should consider reporting it: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 22:17.56 | stiv2k | stew: okay |
| 22:17.57 | Trollinator | hark: isn't there something like beryl-settings or whatever it was called? |
| 22:18.15 | stew | !tell assasukasse about away |
| 22:18.42 | Trollinator | like, something user-friendly? |
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| 22:19.32 | jelly-home | stiv2k: dunno, worksforme with a trivial example. But I'm on xfce. |
| 22:19.52 | Nostahl | heyey guys i downloaded and burnt the businesscard CD image |
| 22:19.54 | Nostahl | poped it in |
| 22:19.59 | Nostahl | and then installed it to my usb drive |
| 22:20.04 | stiv2k | jelly-home: i see, perhaps gnome + compiz-fusion complicates things |
| 22:20.07 | Nostahl | it finaly finnished |
| 22:20.14 | Nostahl | and rebooted it says it cant find operating syste |
| 22:20.16 | Nostahl | system |
| 22:20.17 | stew | !tell Nostahl about enter |
| 22:21.03 | SlimG2 | For some reason (probably my fault) when I'm writing commands longer than 80 characters long, the command doesn't continue on the next line but on the same line, eventually "shadowing" the first part of the command etc. |
| 22:21.03 | Nostahl | anyone have a url that could help in my problem |
| 22:21.18 | SlimG2 | How do I make it change to a newline instead? |
| 22:21.20 | jelly-home | stiv2k: well, you can get rid of compiz and see if the issue appears with default gnome wm. if it does, you can assume it's devilspie's fault |
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| 22:21.49 | ringo999 | hi. what applicaiton you all use for photomanagement under linux? |
| 22:22.02 | Nostahl | ringo999 try gimp |
| 22:22.41 | Asmooh | i hope my favorite desktop mangager is stable now... |
| 22:22.49 | Asmooh | last time it wasnt that perfect |
| 22:23.38 | dkr | ringo999: nautilus ;) |
| 22:23.38 | wols | Nostahl: what bootloader do you use and what is the error message exactly? |
| 22:23.51 | Nostahl | it installed grub |
| 22:24.06 | Nostahl | it didnt even bring up grub though it was the laptops own message about missing operating system |
| 22:24.21 | wols | is your usb bootable by your BIOS? |
| 22:24.24 | Nostahl | yes |
| 22:24.30 | Nostahl | i've been running puppy on it |
| 22:24.31 | wols | doesn't look like it |
| 22:24.32 | Nostahl | as well as slax |
| 22:24.35 | Nostahl | and other distro's |
| 22:24.37 | Nostahl | mandriva |
| 22:24.42 | Nostahl | they all work on it |
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| 22:25.12 | Nostahl | wonder if i just got a bad install |
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| 22:26.16 | MajorPoopyPants | acpid is kind of slow to start/stop. how can I find out what is causing this? |
| 22:26.41 | tct_ | !tree |
| 22:26.42 | dpkg | hmm... tree is a plant made from wood |
| 22:27.00 | Tramp | SlimG2: you may try "stty cols 80" |
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| 22:27.26 | SlimG2 | Tramp: willdo, thanks |
| 22:28.45 | MajorPoopyPants | acpid is kind of slow to start/stop. how can I find out what is causing this? |
| 22:28.52 | wols | Nostahl: stop messaging people unasked |
| 22:29.05 | thrashyy | Whats command that displays the hardrives in your system even if there not mounted? |
| 22:29.12 | jerome | ringo999: you should give a try at this mono app ... f-spot |
| 22:29.46 | stew | thrashyy: fdisk -l |
| 22:29.49 | jerome | ringo999: it's actually pretty scalable and works nicely with some online web galleries like picasa or flickr |
| 22:30.11 | jerome | thrashyy: you caould also cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:30.33 | thrashyy | Thanks stew / jerome :) |
| 22:31.46 | DustyBin | Television = Mythtv Automation = X10 CCTV = ZoneMinder Telephone = Asterix / VOIP Alarm System = *to be created* |
| 22:31.48 | MajorPoopyPants | monoslideshow? |
| 22:31.58 | DustyBin | anyone fancy coding a linux based alarm system? |
| 22:32.31 | karsten | DustyBin: while :; do echo -e "\a"; done |
| 22:32.35 | jelly-home | DustyBin: sure, got spare $50000? |
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| 22:32.45 | DustyBin | aye :D |
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| 22:33.07 | _vvd | anyone? |
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| 22:33.39 | karsten | _vvd: anyone what? |
| 22:33.52 | fignew | DustyBin: it's already been done |
| 22:34.00 | _vvd | something is resetting my dpms settings ... can i somehow prevent any app to change "xset"-things? |
| 22:34.03 | karsten | _vvd: Likely your xscreensaver instance. |
| 22:34.03 | DustyBin | any links? |
| 22:34.07 | thrashyy | When I mount a slave harddrive it fails and gives me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb," Anyone know whats up? |
| 22:34.16 | Tramp | How would I make postfix consider all hosts/subdomains of "example.com" local? Conceptionally I want something like "mydestinatinon = *.$mydomain" |
| 22:34.20 | _vvd | karsten: i removed all screensavers |
| 22:34.25 | karsten | thrashyy: Try mounting a partition rather than the whole drive. |
| 22:34.31 | karsten | _vvd: Kill xscreensaver. |
| 22:34.37 | karsten | _vvd: Is it running? |
| 22:34.46 | _vvd | and use xset to set dpms in .xsession. theres no more screensaver installed ^^) |
| 22:35.20 | fignew | DustyBin: http://www.zoneminder.com |
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| 22:35.25 | karsten | _vvd: Frankly, I've found it's easier to just let xscreensaver deal with that stuff. What DPMS settings, and what desktop? |
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| 22:35.43 | _vvd | standby, gnome |
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| 22:35.52 | DustyBin | fignew: yes thats more to do with CCTV? not alarm systems |
| 22:36.17 | karsten | _vvd: Gnome's got its own screensaver crap that can get in the way. |
| 22:36.24 | karsten | DustyBin: GIYF, STFW |
| 22:37.20 | DustyBin | hehe i thought id search your brains first :D |
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| 22:37.55 | _vvd | karsten: yeah, ... i think media players change those settings too. |
| 22:37.57 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:37.57 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
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| 22:38.17 | Fabio_Como | i've a very minimal debian installation to configure.. i have found an empty /etc/skel directory, which package should i install to have a default /etc/skel ? thanks |
| 22:38.23 | _vvd | karsten: which kinda sucks as sometimes my monitors wont shutdown |
| 22:38.34 | fignew | DustyBin: well, yes that's the idea, what do you want? a motion detector that beeps a little when a cat walks by? |
| 22:38.35 | tarzeau | Fabio_Como: there's no other |
| 22:38.37 | abrotman | Fabio_Como: ls -a /etc/skel/ |
| 22:39.05 | Fabio_Como | mm you're right. |
| 22:39.08 | DustyBin | fignew: id like a linux box linked up to all those sensors what industrial alarms use |
| 22:39.13 | Fabio_Como | there are hidden files. |
| 22:39.18 | ziyax | Asmooh hey u there? |
| 22:39.29 | Asmooh | yea |
| 22:39.41 | fignew | industrial alarms use cameras |
| 22:39.43 | ziyax | did u try lenny packages on etch? |
| 22:39.45 | Asmooh | trying to make my favo desktop |
| 22:39.47 | Asmooh | eh no |
| 22:39.48 | karsten | DustyBin: You're more than welcome to search my brain. |
| 22:40.00 | karsten | DustyBin: ... at the highly equitable fee of $500 per search request. |
| 22:40.07 | karsten | DustyBin: Payment accepted in advance. |
| 22:40.07 | ziyax | hm i wanna try it out but dunno is it good idea :p |
| 22:40.07 | DustyBin | cat karsten | grep alarm |
| 22:40.10 | wols | DustyBin: good luck finding anything. even a brain |
| 22:40.17 | Asmooh | i should not :P |
| 22:40.17 | Fabio_Como | so i don't understand why when I execute #useradd -g users newuser i don't get any /home/newuser dir.. i think to have setup correcly the /etc/default/useradd.. |
| 22:40.24 | wols | ziyax: it's a stupid idea. use a backport |
| 22:40.27 | karsten | DustyBin: Results guaranteed. |
| 22:40.33 | karsten | DustyBin: Correct results available at random. |
| 22:40.55 | ziyax | wols i need it for apache 2.2.6 :p |
| 22:40.58 | karsten | Fabio_Como: adduser |
| 22:41.08 | Fabio_Como | adduser is slackware stuff. |
| 22:41.18 | dondelelcaro | uh, no. |
| 22:41.20 | abrotman | adduser is in debian |
| 22:41.40 | wols | ziyax: what has that to do with anything? |
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| 22:43.02 | OlaX | DustyBin: If you want to use industrial sensors, I don't understand where linux comes in to your idea. if(any_sensor_is_tripped){make_noise();} <-- something like that? |
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| 22:43.14 | Fabio_Como | i did it with useradd, it is required the '-m' option to create homedir :) |
| 22:43.27 | stew | Fabio_Como: use adduser |
| 22:43.41 | wols | DustyBin: the sensors you want to use, how do they connect to a PC? |
| 22:44.20 | DustyBin | most normal house alarms use: Infared + Microwave + Optics |
| 22:44.29 | Asmooh | hmmz |
| 22:44.39 | Asmooh | now i have flames, snow and rain on my desktop -_- |
| 22:44.40 | OlaX | DustyBin: GPIB, X10, some custom controller, it's up to you if you want to build one. |
| 22:44.57 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 22:46.13 | Fabio_Como | ehm another question.. where can i find a bash configuration file to have autocomplete of the "apt-get" package names.. (as I have by default on ubuntu) thank you :) |
| 22:46.41 | Fabio_Como | apt-get install apa[TAB] |
| 22:46.45 | DustyBin | Your home alarm is triggered, it sends a SMS to your phone, you log into the box, turn on the lights with X10, turn on zoneminder, check to see if your house is ok, then deactivate the alarm, log off.. |
| 22:46.48 | Fabio_Como | it propose "apache2" |
| 22:47.00 | Fabio_Como | i would like to have it :) |
| 22:47.23 | stew | Fabio_Como: uncomment the lines about /etc/bash_completion in your ~/.bashrc |
| 22:47.26 | hark | Fabio_Como: /etc/bash.bashrc, uncomment the bash_completion line at the end |
| 22:47.58 | Fabio_Como | thanks, i try :) |
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| 22:49.38 | Fabio_Como | i love my debian box: Mem: 262144k total, 9356k used, 252788k free, 0k buffers |
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| 22:51.40 | raggi | how long does it take wget to timeout during the debian installer, and is there some way to enforce a restart of a wget? |
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| 22:54.30 | ziyax | wols: i dont wanna use self compiled programs i wanna use package:p |
| 22:54.55 | Asmooh | how do i change my lang in debian? he reset his self |
| 22:54.56 | Asmooh | :/ |
| 22:55.23 | Fabio_Como | mmm i just installed apache2 package... the memory usage passed from 10mb to 220mb :| |
| 22:55.27 | Fabio_Como | doesn't seem normal.. |
| 22:55.40 | jerome | 10M is not normal |
| 22:55.42 | jerome | :) |
| 22:55.43 | Fabio_Como | 10042 www-data 23 0 225m 2956 1480 S 0 1.1 0:00.00 apache2 |
| 22:55.50 | Fabio_Como | 225m virtual.. why? |
| 22:55.55 | techouse | any kde compiz users here? |
| 22:57.15 | jerome | Fabio_Como: I guess it loads a bunch of mods and libs. |
| 22:57.42 | Fabio_Como | i just typed apt-get install apache2 :| |
| 22:57.50 | Fabio_Como | now i'm looking the conf.. |
| 22:57.53 | abrotman | Fabio_Como: that number is not jsut apache |
| 22:58.55 | jerome | Fabio_Como: if you have simple needs like serving some static pages / files, consider lighttpd maybe |
| 22:59.12 | GuHHH | how can i search a text in every file in my system? |
| 22:59.22 | Fabio_Como | i need php :) |
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| 22:59.41 | stew | Fabio_Como: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:59.45 | Fabio_Como | but it's the first time i see that apache takes 220m as virtual memory |
| 22:59.48 | jerome | Fabio_Como: lightty comes with fastcgi support |
| 23:00.06 | jerome | GuHHH: cd / && grep -rn text * |
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| 23:00.09 | jerome | wait |
| 23:00.11 | jerome | wait |
| 23:00.11 | abrotman | Fabio_Como: do you know how to read top ? |
| 23:00.24 | Fabio_Como | in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled i have about 15 modules |
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| 23:00.48 | Fabio_Como | abrotman: i'm not sure, but i have this line: |
| 23:00.49 | Fabio_Como | 10042 www-data 23 0 225m 3040 1484 S 0 1.2 0:00.00 apache2 |
| 23:00.58 | abrotman | so you said |
| 23:01.00 | Fabio_Como | 225m : i think it's 225mb virtual |
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| 23:02.57 | Fabio_Como | i installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:03.09 | Fabio_Como | apache restarted and now virtual is only 17mb :| |
| 23:03.13 | Speckal | when you guys need to install something from source that is not available as a package, do you "just do it" or do you go through some procedure to make it into a .deb first? |
| 23:04.07 | jerome | Speckal: depends how "critical" "something" is |
| 23:04.23 | dondelelcaro | Speckal: I turn it into a package first. |
| 23:04.36 | Speckal | dondelelcaro: what procedure do you use? |
| 23:04.40 | abrotman | you could use equivs |
| 23:04.40 | dondelelcaro | (and often upload it to Debian later) |
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| 23:05.21 | dondelelcaro | Speckal: I just use my rules files, modified appropriately and write the control and changelog files. |
| 23:05.43 | Speckal | I've got a bunch of multimedia stuff (x264, xvid, mplayer, transcode, lame) and I'd like 'debify' the process if possible |
| 23:06.03 | dondelelcaro | Speckal: almost all of those are already packaged in Debian or packaged by other people, actually. |
| 23:06.08 | dondelelcaro | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:06.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 23:06.22 | jerome | moreover, mplayer is upstream'd debified |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | Speckal: those things have already been done at debian-multimedia.org |
| 23:06.48 | dwu | :O an abrotman |
| 23:06.54 | abrotman | hi dwu |
| 23:07.00 | dwu | 'lo. |
| 23:07.00 | Speckal | ah... nice :) thanks all |
| 23:07.12 | abrotman | dwu: are you .. interning yet? |
| 23:07.42 | dwu | abrotman: Not in .us though, visa stuff got fucked, am being bored out of my mind at a local place. |
| 23:07.51 | dwu | abrotman: It's all very depressing, etc. |
| 23:07.52 | abrotman | dwu: oh .. that sucks rocks |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | sorry |
| 23:08.08 | dwu | abrotman: It does, but meh, only 87 more days :) How's you? |
| 23:08.16 | abrotman | dwu: i'm not dead .. yet :) |
| 23:08.24 | dwu | abrotman: Well, that's new :) |
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| 23:08.31 | abrotman | i'm doing my best! |
| 23:08.43 | jerome | huuu, us visas. Damn administrative procedures. |
| 23:08.48 | dwu | Oi, no dying, eh. |
| 23:09.19 | abrotman | dwu: so what's after this? |
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| 23:09.48 | dwu | abrotman: That bit is still in flux, actually. I'm waiting on some news; shall see if it's good news. |
| 23:09.54 | GuHHH | can anyone help me with ldap? http://pastebin.org/6544 |
| 23:09.56 | abrotman | ah .. okay |
| 23:10.29 | abrotman | dwu: i had been looking for you in one of the -ot channels to find out how the .us bit was goiung .. but you'd gone *poof* |
| 23:10.51 | dwu | abrotman: Which of the -ot channels is the least spacktarded at the moment and includes most of the old crowd? :) |
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| 23:11.36 | abrotman | dwu: the original .. i think thouhg currently both have a jarick :) |
| 23:11.43 | dwu | abrotman: Awww, fuck. |
| 23:11.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:12.03 | abrotman | just pick one and put it in your list :) |
| 23:12.07 | dwu | abrotman: The original is back to its former glory then, at least, even with jarick? :) |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | dwu: even toresbe came back :) |
| 23:12.31 | dwu | abrotman: heh. |
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| 23:13.45 | abrotman | GuHHH: need a bit more to go on :) |
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| 23:15.10 | GuHHH | abrotman: theres a file where i can change the cn, dn, etc... other than /etc/ldap/slapd.conf, but i cant remember.... can u help? |
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| 23:15.36 | abrotman | GuHHH: i could try .. or try #ldap |
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| 23:16.20 | abrotman | GuHHH: what command is actually throwing that error? |
| 23:16.53 | GuHHH | abrotman: the phpldapadmin trying to connect to ldap |
| 23:17.03 | abrotman | oh jeez .. |
| 23:17.05 | GuHHH | actually, anonymous connection works |
| 23:17.25 | abrotman | so your regular ldap works? just phpldapadmin is busted ? |
| 23:17.33 | Fabio_Como | which is difference between php5-mysqli and php5-mysql ? |
| 23:17.42 | abrotman | Fabio_Como: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 23:18.01 | Fabio_Como | thanks |
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| 23:20.07 | S4nD3r | how to look for a file in linux/?? |
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| 23:20.45 | Swat2 | S4nD3r: find / -name *nameoffile* |
| 23:21.18 | S4nD3r | This lookfor subfolders? |
| 23:21.24 | Swat2 | yes |
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| 23:21.57 | Asmooh | anyone knows howto start avant-window-navigator on startup ? |
| 23:22.01 | S4nD3r | thank you somuch |
| 23:22.05 | S4nD3r | bye |
| 23:22.43 | Asmooh | @gnome |
| 23:22.44 | ravenbird | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d |
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| 23:24.35 | GuHHH | abrotman: how can i search for files that contains any line with cn=admin ? |
| 23:25.01 | abrotman | GuHHH: in /etc/? |
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| 23:25.36 | abrotman | GuHHH: cd /etc && grep -R cn=admin * |
| 23:25.39 | zinx | cert h4x00r |
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| 23:30.10 | Nostahl | hi all.. i just followed these directions and i beleive it worked it booted debian up.. itas asking me for user name and password but i didnt see any listed in the tutorial to use. http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Debian_on_USB_Quick_Install |
| 23:30.14 | Nostahl | does anyone know what it might be? |
| 23:30.37 | karsten | Nostahl: You should have entered a username and/or password when you installed Debian. |
| 23:30.47 | karsten | Nostahl: Otherwise, try 'root' and null (no password). |
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| 23:30.56 | Nostahl | ah root did something |
| 23:31.01 | Nostahl | now im at a command line |
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| 23:31.31 | karsten | Nostahl: Check to see if you've got a regular user account configured yet: grep 1000 /etc/passwd |
| 23:31.54 | karsten | Nostahl: ... if not, 'adduser <your desired username>'; passwd <your desired username>' |
| 23:31.59 | Nostahl | i typed that in it didnt do anything |
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| 23:32.05 | Nostahl | k |
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| 23:32.12 | karsten | Nostahl: ... then 'passwd' as root. |
| 23:32.25 | karsten | Nostahl: '<your desired username>' would be something like, say, nostahl. |
| 23:32.28 | excrete | feces |
| 23:32.42 | karsten | excrete: Got a Debian-related question for us? |
| 23:32.51 | dwu | karsten: *gentleprod* |
| 23:33.00 | karsten | dwu: Ouch! |
| 23:33.16 | excrete | yes i do have a debian-related question actually |
| 23:33.35 | Nostahl | how do i install a window manager? from the command line |
| 23:33.43 | karsten | Nostahl: 'adduser nostahl' shouldn't echo anything back to the shell, but it will add the user account. |
| 23:33.45 | excrete | no, my question is this.. |
| 23:33.56 | excrete | i defecate too much. what should i do? |
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| 23:34.07 | dwu | He shoots, he scores... |
| 23:34.12 | Nostahl | http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Debian_on_USB_Quick_Install |
| 23:34.17 | dwu | karsten: aww. |
| 23:34.21 | Asmooh | where can i edit the gnome startup stuff?> |
| 23:34.23 | Nostahl | thats the tutorial i used |
| 23:34.27 | karsten | stew: Good answer |
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| 23:35.36 | karsten | Nostahl: We're mostly about stock Debian here. In general: aptitude install packagename. |
| 23:36.00 | Nostahl | i thought it was a stock debian i was doing :) |
| 23:36.04 | karsten | Nostahl: /msg dpkg install gnome or /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 23:36.26 | karsten | Nostahl: ... to install a GNOME or KDE desktop. Or you might try another such as xfce4, or windowmaker, or whatever. |
| 23:36.43 | karsten | Nostahl: Well, that's not a Debian project page. Not sure what it's doing for you w/o looking at it. |
| 23:37.09 | Nostahl | do you have any experience with debian on usbs? |
| 23:38.12 | karsten | Nostahl: Not as such. It's largely the same as Debian on anything else, except where it's not. |
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| 23:40.15 | Nostahl | k dpkg is having me set up x first |
| 23:40.22 | Nostahl | its workin |
| 23:40.24 | Nostahl | so far |
| 23:40.29 | karsten | Nostahl: Yeah, that generally helps for a desktop. |
| 23:40.42 | Angelo | whats the di between Ubutu and debian? |
| 23:40.46 | Angelo | dif |
| 23:40.47 | Nostahl | this is fun |
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| 23:41.27 | abrotman | Angelo: might want to ask #ubuntu |
| 23:41.33 | Angelo | ok |
| 23:41.36 | karsten | Angelo: One of them's run by the Debian Project, and the other is run by Canonical |
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| 23:41.53 | karsten | Angelo: The're not the same. They're not specifically related. Ubuntu's generally off-topic here. |
| 23:42.02 | Sebo | Hi!! can you tell me which packet do I need to apt-get to install java?? |
| 23:42.12 | streuner | !java |
| 23:42.12 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 23:42.17 | karsten | !java |
| 23:42.17 | Angelo | I use debian amd64 |
| 23:42.36 | Nostahl | ok karsten |
| 23:42.42 | Nostahl | i just finnished the x server thing |
| 23:42.48 | Nostahl | now what do i need to do next |
| 23:43.13 | karsten | Nostahl: Install your desktop, start X. Might want to install an X display manager (eg: gdm). |
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| 23:43.45 | uzer | does anyone know if ssh server is included in the netinstall cd? |
| 23:43.49 | Nostahl | so far i did what dpkg told me to do when i asked set up x |
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| 23:43.59 | streuner | uzer: its NOT essential... |
| 23:44.13 | karsten | uzer: No. |
| 23:44.14 | streuner | optional... |
| 23:44.16 | karsten | uzer: Install it. |
| 23:44.17 | blahblahx | when i do the command killall it says killall: command not found |
| 23:44.21 | blahblahx | how do i change this? |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | !tell blahblahx about search |
| 23:44.32 | streuner | !find killall |
| 23:44.33 | Nostahl | can i message you karsten |
| 23:44.39 | karsten | Nostahl: No. |
| 23:44.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'killall' (6 of 10): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc ;; (/sbin/killall5) in admin/sysvinit-utils ;; (/usr/bin/pkillall) in utils/librapi2-tools ;; (/usr/lib/util-vserver/legacy/vserverkillall) in net/util-vserver ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Unix/_killall) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-1/functions/Completion/Unix/_killall) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 23:44.58 | streuner | Nostahl: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 23:49.04 | Sebo | streuner: thx |
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| 23:49.48 | abrotman | !nopony pseubodot |
| 23:49.48 | dpkg | pseubodot: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 23:49.55 | Angelo | is there a nashville debian group? |
| 23:50.04 | abrotman | Angelo: you asked last night .. i gave you the link |
| 23:50.09 | Angelo | yes |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | do you think one has formed since then? |
| 23:50.24 | Angelo | can't locate them |
| 23:50.34 | abrotman | so maybe there isn't one .. check a local Uni |
| 23:50.41 | Angelo | k |
| 23:50.45 | Angelo | ty |
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| 23:53.17 | panagos | clone() creates a new process? |
| 23:54.11 | Nostahl | is anyone familiar with this tutorial? http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB |
| 23:54.29 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 23:54.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 23:55.39 | Asmooh | hm i use AWk or something, as desktop mangager; the only problem is.. i cant do anything if i dont startup compiz-fusion-icon. but where is the starter? |
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| 23:56.14 | black_13 | which splash system is the most trouble free? |
| 23:57.37 | amphi | none at all ;) |
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| 23:58.10 | black_13 | amphi awesome |
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| 23:59.25 | syamajala | hmm |
| 23:59.40 | GuHHH | abrotman: it doesnt work as expected :( |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | GuHHH: "it" being? |
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