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| 00:00.21 | tuv | abrotman, apparently there is a MAKE or MAKEFLAGS variable that is recognized by dpkg-buildpackage, which is invoked by debian/rules. one can do MAKEFLAGS="-j 2" debian/rules ...etc. haven't test it yet though |
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| 00:00.57 | abrotman | tuv: but no config file or anything ? |
| 00:01.21 | tuv | abrotman, nope.. i wasn't looking for one. maybe there is |
| 00:01.53 | abrotman | tuv: that's what i was looking for .. like if i were building a ton of packages from source on an SMP box .. is there a config file that i can set a CONCURRENCY_LEVEL etc |
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| 00:02.49 | tuv | abrotman, your turn to look for an answer. check out dpkg-buildpackage and look for sourced files or something. it's a text script |
| 00:03.02 | abrotman | i did |
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| 00:03.04 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 00:03.11 | abrotman | i didn't see anything obvious |
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| 00:03.27 | ccg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.34 | ccg | how to fix this apt-get error ? |
| 00:03.55 | dondelelcaro | tuv: there is no variable like that |
| 00:04.12 | dondelelcaro | tuv: MAKEFLAGS is often obeyed by make itself, but there are no guarantees |
| 00:05.08 | ErichDotzer | ccg: what debian version? |
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| 00:05.26 | tuv | dondelelcaro, dpkg-buildpackage tries to read MAKEFLAGS, but i'm not sure what it does with it 8/ |
| 00:05.36 | ccg | erichdotzer: testing with a lot of unstable stuff |
| 00:05.40 | streuner | ccg: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:06.04 | ErichDotzer | ccg: see bugs.debian.org |
| 00:06.08 | ccg | iU libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:06.20 | dondelelcaro | tuv: all it does is add a j if there's a parallel option in the build options |
| 00:06.31 | streuner | iU? sounds like fun :-) |
| 00:06.41 | ErichDotzer | streuner: do you play unitopia.de? |
| 00:06.45 | dondelelcaro | tuv: but beyond that it doesn't do anything |
| 00:06.48 | chowmeined | I am trying to setup racoon in a chroot jail, i have that part done but now I am modifying the init script to control it.. the pid file racoon makes is for the unpriviled process so not start-stop-daemon kills that but not the whole racoon daemon... if i change start-stop-daemon to just killall by name then the script exits with "Terminated" and doesnt 'restart' properly |
| 00:06.58 | ccg | streuner: what does iU stand for |
| 00:07.11 | streuner | ccg: man dpkg |
| 00:07.34 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: well, first things first, the version that you're running is out of date. It looks like you ran into #448668. |
| 00:07.43 | tuv | dondelelcaro, if it adds -j to MAKEFLAGS, then it assumes that variable is used by make |
| 00:07.44 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: so upgrade to the kernel version in unstable, and see if it starts then. |
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| 00:08.11 | dondelelcaro | tuv: sure, but there are no guarantees that it is |
| 00:08.24 | tuv | dondelelcaro, no harm in trying |
| 00:08.39 | dondelelcaro | tuv: of course, which is why it does what it does |
| 00:08.39 | tuv | dondelelcaro, are you aware of any other ways to use -j with debian/rules? |
| 00:08.50 | ErichDotzer | streuner: why dont you answer? |
| 00:08.52 | dondelelcaro | tuv: there are lots of build systems which don't use make |
| 00:08.57 | stiv2k | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 00:09.04 | dondelelcaro | (and ways of invoking or overriding MAKEFLAGS to not use it) |
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| 00:09.39 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: s/kernel/current/ of course. ;-) |
| 00:10.16 | streuner | ccg: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net and apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 00:10.36 | ErichDotzer | so Kurt Neuenfeldt plays unitopia.de but is afraid to admit that. quite interesting :) |
| 00:10.50 | streuner | ccg: to tell you the truth, i've never seen iU for libc6... |
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| 00:11.15 | streuner | ErichDotzer: you make no sense |
| 00:11.40 | ErichDotzer | streuner: which is your problem. my question was extremely simple |
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| 00:12.51 | ErichDotzer | school kids and their attempts to appear cool :) |
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| 00:14.00 | chowmeined | fascinating |
| 00:14.11 | atz | My new servers have more RAM (6GB) than my current Etch kernel (uname -r: 2.6.18-4-686) can handle. |
| 00:14.45 | ccg | streuner: i pasted it up there under my nick |
| 00:14.46 | atz | Rather than go CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G, should I install a 64-bit kernel. |
| 00:14.52 | atz | ? |
| 00:15.12 | ErichDotzer | atz: would be good for performance in case you have 64bit arch |
| 00:15.14 | atz | (dual Xeon 3GHZ) |
| 00:15.16 | dwu | atz: Not unless you're running a 64-bit machine :) And even then, you prolly -do- want config_highmen. |
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| 00:15.28 | dwu | Blech, config_highmem. Typing fail. |
| 00:15.33 | streuner | ccg: there are different ones according to your nick... |
| 00:15.34 | chump | hi can someone help me i got an error when i boot that make me fall in single user mode |
| 00:15.44 | chowmeined | dwu, if you have 64bit why do you want that? |
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| 00:16.07 | atz | dwu: i think you may be confusing different HIGHMEM settings |
| 00:16.15 | dwu | chowmeined: D'you -not- need it once you're running... oh, right, 'cos you can address more. |
| 00:16.19 | ccg | streuner: i posted all of them |
| 00:16.27 | dsl_ | what is the front end gui for gphoto2 |
| 00:16.29 | abrotman | atz: that's up to you .. if you use the 32bit .. you'll get the PAE penalty |
| 00:16.29 | dwu | atz, chowmeined: Thanks for the correction :) |
| 00:16.39 | streuner | ccg: just give us the excact URL |
| 00:17.01 | Tramp | chump: Check /etc/init.d/rc. There is a line at the beginning, reading "debug=echo" |
| 00:17.29 | atz | I can apt-get install whatever pieces I need, but what is the command to "switch over" to the new kernel? |
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| 00:17.32 | ImporT | hey guys wondering what would be the gui for gphoto2 |
| 00:17.51 | ccg | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/41233 |
| 00:17.53 | streuner | !info ghphoto2 |
| 00:17.53 | Tramp | chump: You have to uncomment it and it may not work at all 8) - but maybe it helps you to find the reason why rc fails. |
| 00:18.00 | streuner | !info gphoto2 |
| 00:18.02 | dpkg | gphoto2: (The gphoto2 digital camera command-line client), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.4.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 194 kB, Installed size: 932 kB |
| 00:18.08 | chump | ok ;) thanks |
| 00:18.13 | chump | i'll check this out :) |
| 00:18.23 | chump | i guess i'll be back hehe |
| 00:18.27 | dwu | ImporT: apt-cache search gphoto2 turns up at least a few possibilities, including gtkam; please search in future? |
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| 00:18.39 | Tramp | chump: Do you have some fancy bootsplashing or just a text console on bootup? |
| 00:18.47 | chump | only text |
| 00:18.57 | Tramp | chump: ok, then it may work. |
| 00:18.58 | ImporT | aww thank you im using dsl so i dont think i had cache search |
| 00:18.59 | chump | some fancy text ;P |
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| 00:19.15 | streuner | ccg: your sources.list sucks... |
| 00:19.33 | ErichDotzer | ImporT: gtkam maybe |
| 00:19.38 | streuner | ccg: just USE ONE branch of Debian, not different ones |
| 00:19.41 | dwu | ImporT: Uhm... I'm not sure how you -don't- have cache search because you're using DSL - you do. |
| 00:20.13 | ccg | streuner: i got it from channel.debian.de FAQ |
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| 00:20.48 | streuner | ccg: according to your libc6 just 3 lines, one for an official mirror, one for security and one for debian-multimedia |
| 00:20.51 | streuner | ccg: no |
| 00:21.06 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:21.47 | streuner | channel.debian.de FAQ wouldnt tell you about "bobbitt" - never :-) |
| 00:21.48 | chowmeined | my init script keeps quitting with "Terminated" |
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| 00:22.14 | karmatronic | chowmeined: pastebin it |
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| 00:23.21 | chowmeined | i modified the 'stop' portion: http://debian.pastebin.com/d7d167dbd |
| 00:23.27 | DeFirence | guys, can u recommend any other web gui for linux other then webmin? |
| 00:23.46 | streuner | no |
| 00:23.53 | jbm | learn the shell. |
| 00:23.58 | jbm | really, you'll save time. |
| 00:24.04 | DeFirence | i know shell |
| 00:24.07 | DeFirence | im not a noob |
| 00:24.10 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: depends on your purpose |
| 00:24.24 | DeFirence | but i would like a web gui for the co owners of the server :) |
| 00:24.46 | DeFirence | and so i can look at processes nicely etc :P |
| 00:24.49 | ErichDotzer | DeFirence: what services do you plan to manage? |
| 00:24.53 | Xenguy | DeFirence: no, you charge them to admin their servers :-) |
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| 00:25.06 | chowmeined | write a web thing in python for them and charge them $$$ |
| 00:25.22 | ErichDotzer | and ignore the noise of other people |
| 00:25.53 | chowmeined | karmatronic, echo $? is 147 |
| 00:26.04 | chowmeined | er 143.. but, i dont know if that helps |
| 00:26.06 | DeFirence | Xenguy: its a community radio station server, im not charging to admin the server :) |
| 00:26.19 | ErichDotzer | ok, forget it. |
| 00:26.25 | DeFirence | lol |
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| 00:26.40 | DeFirence | anyway, is webmin the nicest thing? |
| 00:26.41 | ErichDotzer | you focus on noisy people and dont answer my questions. |
| 00:27.01 | chowmeined | ErichDotzer, drat |
| 00:27.05 | chowmeined | foiled again |
| 00:27.42 | Xenguy | DeFirence: people here seem to almost universally hate webmin for some reason (security?) |
| 00:27.48 | ErichDotzer | chowmeined: if that is the purpose why you are here, then you fit in nicely |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | and it makes you stupid :) |
| 00:28.00 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: be nice to people |
| 00:28.06 | chowmeined | karmatronic, oh i know why, its because the init script is named racoon so killall racoon is killing itself :-/ |
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| 00:28.26 | ErichDotzer | abrotman: nice is to focus on the question. your comments and the comments of several others are idiotic. |
| 00:28.39 | karmatronic | chowmeined: you re welcome |
| 00:28.45 | chowmeined | yes, thanks |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: go away |
| 00:28.51 | DeFirence | oh, sorry ErichDotzer: didnt see ur question :) |
| 00:29.02 | ErichDotzer | people want to have a web management thing, you either help them to get it or you shut up |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | or we tell them why it's a bad idea |
| 00:29.18 | ErichDotzer | all this crap about "you are stupid cause you want a GUI" makes me sick |
| 00:29.28 | abrotman | oh .. you must use one |
| 00:29.33 | ErichDotzer | abrotman: i see no single fact, only bullshitting |
| 00:29.35 | karmatronic | abrotman: cant you just kick him ? |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | karmatronic: call ops .. |
| 00:29.49 | streuner | we can rid of him |
| 00:29.54 | Xenguy | ErichDotzer: I don't think it is that extreme; I like both CLI and GUI myself |
| 00:29.57 | ErichDotzer | karmatronic: kick me? because i adocate real support? |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | but don't actually do it |
| 00:30.07 | ErichDotzer | s/advocate? |
| 00:30.10 | ErichDotzer | !ops |
| 00:30.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 00:30.13 | streuner | ErichDotzer: its enough |
| 00:30.13 | karmatronic | abrotman: you re not ops ? |
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| 00:30.20 | abrotman | karmatronic: sign the petition :) |
| 00:30.25 | Xenguy | ErichDotzer: it's just that I actually know the shell reasonably well, so I like it :-) |
| 00:30.34 | Seb | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.39 | streuner | ErichDotzer: respect our op. |
| 00:30.39 | Seb | anyone seen taht before ? |
| 00:30.48 | Seb | where can I find more info about what it is not managing to accomplish exactly ? |
| 00:30.51 | ErichDotzer | streuner: are you one? |
| 00:31.01 | streuner | ErichDotzer: we dont like webguis in order to setup things |
| 00:31.10 | ErichDotzer | streuner: speak for yourself |
| 00:31.13 | DeFirence | services would be: shoutcast server, transcoder, apache, maybe one or two others... and itll have multiple ips |
| 00:31.18 | ErichDotzer | you are not even a debian developer |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: please stop being abusive |
| 00:31.30 | streuner | streuner: well, i dont like webstuff too :-) |
| 00:31.34 | ErichDotzer | abuse is _you_ |
| 00:31.42 | karmatronic | Seb: No "performance" governor built in the kernel ? |
| 00:31.43 | ErichDotzer | i tried to help DeFirence |
| 00:31.49 | ErichDotzer | and you guys are trolling me |
| 00:31.56 | Xenguy | ErichDotzer: breathe, relax, exhale ;-) |
| 00:32.01 | ErichDotzer | no |
| 00:32.02 | DeFirence | streuner: no one said i wanted to setup anything with web guis |
| 00:32.07 | Xenguy | have a drink! |
| 00:32.07 | Seb | karmatronic: ah, could be; i'm using a debian precompiled kernel, do they not include that ? |
| 00:32.08 | DeFirence | i use console |
| 00:32.18 | karmatronic | Seb: dont think so |
| 00:32.25 | Xenguy | It's Hallowe'en isn't it? |
| 00:32.27 | Seb | karmatronic: CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y |
| 00:32.27 | Seb | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_PERFORMANCE=y |
| 00:32.31 | Seb | so yes |
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| 00:32.41 | DeFirence | but i would like to monitor services etc and for the other owners of the server |
| 00:32.52 | Seb | DeFirence: snmp ? |
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| 00:33.22 | ErichDotzer | kloeri: check your backlog please |
| 00:33.36 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 00:33.42 | ErichDotzer | kloeri: another perfect example that i talked about |
| 00:33.48 | ErichDotzer | s/of what |
| 00:33.48 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:33.58 | ErichDotzer | kloeri: and its always the same nicks |
| 00:34.04 | wols_ | abrotman: sometimes I have flashbacks of mwilson in here |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | i wish |
| 00:34.33 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: why are you trying to get staff involved? |
| 00:34.44 | ErichDotzer | abrotman: because you and others were trolling me |
| 00:34.50 | abrotman | then call ops .. not staff |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | it's not a staff issue ... |
| 00:34.58 | Seb | wols_: ah, mwilson... Those were the good ol' days |
| 00:35.03 | ErichDotzer | this has to be solved on a network level |
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| 00:35.06 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: if you need help calling ops .. ask how |
| 00:35.12 | ErichDotzer | and i suggest you mind your business |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | IT IS MY BUSINESS |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | moron |
| 00:35.21 | streuner | wols_: mwilson never liked to spoonfeed people, its that what you refering to? :-) |
| 00:35.23 | ErichDotzer | its not, lamer. |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | oh this is going to end well |
| 00:35.44 | wols_ | streuner: no, I'm just reminded of a bona fide asshole, that's all |
| 00:35.50 | Seb | heh |
| 00:36.02 | ErichDotzer | wols_: nobody cares whats going on in your little head |
| 00:36.05 | streuner | wols_: he was always helpful to me |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | ErichDotzer: either help .. ask a question .. or leave .. please |
| 00:36.25 | ErichDotzer | abrotman: mind your business. |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | troll |
| 00:36.35 | streuner | Hau ab! |
| 00:36.42 | wols_ | abrotman: ignore him. and I apologize again for an idiotic german |
| 00:37.11 | ErichDotzer | würde ich Klingenstein heißen könnte ich mich auch entschuldigen |
| 00:37.40 | ErichDotzer | as if this problem could be solved via nationalism |
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| 00:37.54 | ErichDotzer | and its _always_ the same people |
| 00:38.02 | ErichDotzer | sociopaths. |
| 00:38.11 | wols_ | ErichDotzer: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 00:38.31 | ErichDotzer | wols_: i was trying to help DeFirence you troll. |
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| 00:38.44 | streuner | haha |
| 00:39.10 | ErichDotzer | wols_: i was trying to help DeFirence while people kept making noise about their anti GUI agenda |
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| 00:39.23 | streuner | well, you have really a nice way to make friends :-) |
| 00:39.27 | wols_ | ErichDotzer: is there any web based admin tool in debian? |
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| 00:39.34 | Seb | webmin ? |
| 00:39.39 | wols_ | Seb: not in debian |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | no .. there's no webmin in debian |
| 00:39.48 | ErichDotzer | there is GNU Hosting Helper as one example to manage servers |
| 00:39.52 | Seb | uh, interesting; why is that ? |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | well .. in sarge there is .. but hta'ts oldstable |
| 00:40.00 | streuner | !webmin |
| 00:40.00 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 00:40.06 | abrotman | Seb: security issues out the ass IIRC |
| 00:40.26 | wols_ | ErichDotzer: I can#t find this TGNU hosting helper in debian. care to tell me where it is? |
| 00:40.28 | Seb | abrotman: yeah, i know it has an awful track record, but I didn't know it was ground for removal from the archive heh |
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| 00:40.41 | ErichDotzer | wols_: no |
| 00:40.46 | abrotman | Seb: it is if they aren't be properly maintained and the versions in debian have security issues |
| 00:40.48 | wols_ | ErichDotzer: then why do you bring it up? |
| 00:40.48 | Seb | abrotman: wireshark/ethereal is pretty much as bad in that regard, and we still package it :> |
| 00:41.00 | abrotman | Seb: read the URL above |
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| 00:41.10 | solanaceo | hi guys..does anyone have the latest tango-generator tar.gz that could send me to mail??? the gnome-look link is broken.. i would really thank it.. |
| 00:41.12 | ErichDotzer | wols_: because that was my origin intention. now that i have been trolled an personally attacked i give a flying fuck. do you understand? |
| 00:41.13 | karmatronic | Seb: ethereal , bad ? |
| 00:41.30 | wols_ | ErichDotzer: I understand that you have no clue about debian, yes |
| 00:41.46 | Seb | karmatronic: dude, its security track record is fucking awful |
| 00:41.52 | ErichDotzer | wols_: a real hero you are to figure that out via 3-4 lines of chat |
| 00:41.54 | Seb | karmatronic: one reason the openbsd people don't package it, for instance |
| 00:41.57 | streuner | ErichDotzer: and you surely dont have a clue about #debian... |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | Seb: in its defense .. obsd doesn't package lots of sutff :) |
| 00:42.15 | dondelelcaro | folks, kindly use /ignore and take the personal attacks elsewhere |
| 00:42.21 | Seb | abrotman: well, less than we do, true :> |
| 00:42.30 | streuner | ErichDotzer: otherwise you would unterstand that *WE* dont like webstuff in order to configure things... |
| 00:42.38 | ErichDotzer | streuner: i was here when the network was called openprojects.net you little school kiddie. and i know that this channel suffers from weak people like you, wols_ abrotman and a few others. |
| 00:42.41 | Seb | abrotman: but they have a decent reason about not packaging wireshark imho |
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| 00:42.52 | streuner | haha |
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| 00:43.05 | Seb | streuner: OTOH, not using "we" is always a good idea |
| 00:43.06 | dondelelcaro | ErichDotzer: spend the next 10 minutes reflecting on what I just said, please. |
| 00:43.06 | DeFirence | :O |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | Seb: it's possible |
| 00:43.14 | Seb | abrotman: heh |
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| 00:43.26 | redeeman | hello |
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| 00:43.35 | abrotman | Seb: does it have standing issues in the "tracker of doom" ? |
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| 00:43.52 | redeeman | is there a way i can see a list of which packages are in the "standard system" package set from the netinst installer? |
| 00:44.01 | wols_ | tracker of doom? sounds neat |
| 00:44.17 | Seb | abrotman: i'm not sure if it's got issues right now, to be honest; haven't looked at it in a long while, as I basically don't trust it anymore... |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 00:44.18 | dpkg | hmm... tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 00:44.26 | dondelelcaro | redeeman: there really isn't such a thing as a "standard" set |
| 00:44.35 | Xenguy | I *told* him dondelelcaro hates webmin! |
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| 00:44.38 | Xenguy | :P |
| 00:44.47 | abrotman | Seb: i only see one against wireshark in stable |
| 00:44.48 | redeeman | dondelelcaro: well the one called "standard system" and is at the bottom in the selector on the netinst cd |
| 00:44.51 | dondelelcaro | redeeman: there is a minimal set, which is basically things that are Essential: yes and its dependencies |
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| 00:45.04 | streuner | Xenguy: well, i tried to told him that too... |
| 00:45.13 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: it's more than that |
| 00:45.23 | dondelelcaro | redeeman: that's basically everything with Priority: standard and above |
| 00:45.38 | redeeman | dondelelcaro: yes can i see a list of it? |
| 00:45.45 | Seb | still, assessing "we don't like web administration tools" is going a bit far |
| 00:46.03 | Seb | speaking for oneself is always the preferred way to porceed |
| 00:46.07 | Seb | proceed, even |
| 00:46.16 | wols_ | redeeman: aptitude search ~pstandard |
| 00:47.09 | wols_ | Seb: for #debian (and imho since there is none afaik in debian either), it's pretty much accurate imho |
| 00:47.20 | wols_ | Seb: unless you can tell us about one currently in debian |
| 00:47.28 | redeeman | wols_: doesent work |
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| 00:47.41 | wols_ | redeeman: then you typed it wrongly |
| 00:47.45 | Seb | wols_: no, the reasoning behind the removal of webmin is that it wasn't maintained, not that the idea its based upon sucks |
| 00:47.50 | dondelelcaro | redeeman: or grep-aptavail -FPriority: standard -o -FPriority: required -sPackage -n; et al |
| 00:47.52 | Seb | it's* |
| 00:48.10 | wols_ | Seb: yes, it means no one was sufficiently interested to keep it |
| 00:48.15 | redeeman | wols_: i assure you, i typed it correctly, does it require anything except the aptitude in etch? |
| 00:48.34 | wols_ | redeeman: I doubt it. did you use tilde or "-" ? |
| 00:49.04 | redeeman | ah, damn font |
| 00:49.12 | wols_ | exactly |
| 00:49.23 | dondelelcaro | heh. time to find a new font if - looks like ~ |
| 00:49.36 | chump | hmm uncommenting debug=echo in /etc/init.d/rc only lead to more trouble ;) |
| 00:49.38 | chump | :s |
| 00:49.38 | wols_ | if the font is displayed smal enough, it looks the same |
| 00:49.52 | redeeman | i do use a somewhat small font |
| 00:49.54 | redeeman | size 7 |
| 00:50.16 | karmatronic | chump: pastebin |
| 00:50.21 | dondelelcaro | wols_: if it's possible to read letters with a good font, - should be distinguishable from ~ (if by nothing else but line height) |
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| 00:50.34 | redeeman | wols_: so basically then what i see is what the "standard system" thing would install? |
| 00:50.37 | chump | karmatronic: paste what ? my rc file ? |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | there is a font in debian where they are indistguishable |
| 00:50.43 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, a lot of fonts don't disambiguate l1I well) |
| 00:50.45 | redeeman | this is all stuff i can do without! and im on a quite limited storage size |
| 00:50.46 | karmatronic | chump: yeah! |
| 00:50.56 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, definetly. |
| 00:50.58 | wols_ | redeeman: no. that is ~pstandard, the task also selects ~prequired and ~pimportant |
| 00:51.03 | karmatronic | chump: you re saying it s failing right ? |
| 00:51.09 | chump | yeah |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | though i can't remember which it is |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | screwed me up for a bit though :) |
| 00:51.19 | wols_ | redeeman: tasksel is evil, period |
| 00:51.25 | dondelelcaro | redeeman: so don't select anything and just use aptitude to install what you want |
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| 00:51.48 | redeeman | dondelelcaro: yeah that's my plan, i just wanted to see what i would be missing that i definetly do want |
| 00:52.05 | dondelelcaro | redeeman: oh, you can always install whatever that is later. |
| 00:52.23 | redeeman | yeah, i just wanted to see what stuff there was there i wouldn't be getting automatically |
| 00:52.23 | dondelelcaro | redeeman: those tasks are really for people who don't have any idea at all of what they want |
| 00:52.42 | chump | http://pastebin.ca/757153 |
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| 00:53.56 | streuner | !wb toresbe |
| 00:53.56 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! toresbe has returned! |
| 00:53.56 | karmatronic | chump: change /bin/sh by /bin/sh -X if i remember well |
| 00:54.02 | toresbe | streuner: mercy |
| 00:54.06 | toresbe | merci* |
| 00:54.24 | dondelelcaro | karmatronic: probably -x is really what you want |
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| 00:54.48 | chump | -x or -X ? |
| 00:54.55 | abrotman | -x |
| 00:55.03 | chump | ok i'll try this ou |
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| 00:55.05 | chump | out |
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| 00:55.38 | dondelelcaro | (depends on the init file though; some are sourced, not executed, so be aware of that) |
| 00:55.45 | jarick | 3B3B3B/part |
| 00:55.49 | jarick | Err. |
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| 00:56.00 | chump | hmm |
| 00:56.37 | karmatronic | ? |
| 00:56.57 | chump | the file is /etc/init.d/rc |
| 00:57.02 | chump | from debian etch.. |
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| 01:00.29 | Tramp | chump: Hmm. Sorry that the commenting-out lead to more trouble. Since when did you have the problems? Did you change something recently? |
| 01:00.50 | chump | no problem Tramp |
| 01:01.12 | dondelelcaro | chump: could you repeat what the original problem was too? |
| 01:01.18 | chump | i did install lm-sensors and hddsensors |
| 01:01.33 | chump | when i boot i fall into single user mode. |
| 01:01.37 | streuner | hddsensors? |
| 01:01.42 | chump | yeah |
| 01:01.46 | streuner | hddtemp? |
| 01:01.50 | chump | yeah lol |
| 01:02.39 | chump | i got "error: '/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow." then it ask for my passwork |
| 01:02.46 | chump | password** |
| 01:02.59 | dondelelcaro | chump: ok, so near the top of /etc/init.d/rc add set -x, and rerun it. |
| 01:03.28 | dondelelcaro | chump: IE, before PATH=...; you should have set -x |
| 01:04.04 | dondelelcaro | chump: then give us the output using a paste site |
| 01:04.39 | chump | set -x on line 15 then ? |
| 01:04.47 | dondelelcaro | chump: something like that, yes. |
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| 01:05.15 | streuner | chump: is that a new install? |
| 01:05.36 | chump | not old .. like .. a week old .. |
| 01:06.07 | chump | well.. running ./rc doesnt say much dondelelcaro |
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| 01:07.33 | dondelelcaro | chump: where/when do you get the error normally? |
| 01:07.37 | syamajala | anyone know of any other apps like audacity that you can use to capture audio from apps? |
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| 01:07.47 | chump | on boot |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | syamajala: vsound |
| 01:08.12 | factor | why would my amarok sound not work but kde sound work. gives a xine error |
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| 01:08.29 | abrotman | kde might be using arts .. xine using alsa or oss |
| 01:08.39 | factor | ahh thanks |
| 01:09.04 | chump | wait a sec i'll reboot and see what happen |
| 01:09.05 | factor | I tried ddifferent ones but I guess I have to totaly disable arts |
| 01:09.06 | streuner | chump: did you do what dondelelcaro told you? (+x) |
| 01:10.25 | dondelelcaro | streuner: I think we'll find out... |
| 01:10.37 | karsten | Is nvu packaged for debian somewhere that I'm not finding it? (Web/HTML authoring) |
| 01:10.46 | streuner | dondelelcaro: i have not a slightly idea what that could be |
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| 01:11.06 | factor | can I turn off arts on the command line besides kill |
| 01:11.08 | dondelelcaro | streuner: something is exit()'ing or otherwise failing with nonzero when it shouldn't |
| 01:11.14 | factor | loooks like arts is running |
| 01:11.16 | streuner | only installing hddtemp and lm-sensors could cause this error |
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| 01:11.48 | dondelelcaro | streuner: I'm actually thinking that it's something wrong in a default file or some other rc file which gets sourced by /etc/init.d/rc |
| 01:11.55 | dondelelcaro | (or rc itself has been edited) |
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| 01:12.40 | syamajala | abrotman: it looks like vsound is gone |
| 01:13.22 | syamajala | http://www.mega-nerd.com/erikd/vsound/ |
| 01:13.26 | factor | I killed it and it rebirths |
| 01:13.39 | factor | needs to not have arts do anything |
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| 01:14.11 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 01:14.17 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 01:14.18 | abrotman | syamajala: ^^ |
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| 01:16.05 | chump | hmm back .. but .. how can i log all this output ? |
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| 01:16.18 | streuner | on boot? |
| 01:16.22 | streuner | !bootlogd |
| 01:16.23 | dpkg | it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 01:16.51 | factor | brb |
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| 01:24.35 | OlaX | Hey, does anyone here know of an application that provides similar functionality to Leopard's "Time Machine" backup system? |
| 01:24.38 | tdrusk | How would I go about making a website similar to this one? http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php |
| 01:24.59 | tdrusk | I have a debian server |
| 01:25.06 | streuner_ | you are using PHP :-) |
| 01:25.16 | streuner_ | (on a wild guess) |
| 01:25.38 | tdrusk | sure. I don't know much about it. I have only made a wordpress server |
| 01:25.43 | streuner_ | but keep in mind, PHP is the crap... |
| 01:25.57 | streuner_ | many security holes |
| 01:26.08 | tdrusk | what should I use? |
| 01:26.22 | streuner_ | some people love PHP, some people just hate it |
| 01:26.39 | syamajala | OlaX: i remember seeing something on osnews about ubuntu doing some work on a time machine like app |
| 01:26.55 | cycl3d | some ppl just code it :D |
| 01:27.01 | syamajala | OlaX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault |
| 01:27.02 | kgoetz | tdrusk: you get two divs, put them side by side, and insert content. |
| 01:27.04 | kgoetz | done. |
| 01:27.22 | syamajala | OlaX: also look at dirvish |
| 01:27.24 | abrotman | tdrusk: that's just html |
| 01:27.31 | tdrusk | okay |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | OlaX: there are tons of backup applications for linux |
| 01:27.49 | tdrusk | Are there any guides that I can look at? |
| 01:27.58 | mikefoo | Say I have "mysqldump | gzip > /home/back.sql.gz" How would I log the output if any, so I know if the command fails for some reason. |
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| 01:28.40 | cloakable | tee |
| 01:29.00 | shogunx | unzip it? |
| 01:29.13 | cycl3d | tdrusk, maybe #php? |
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| 01:29.34 | shogunx | pardon. typed in the wrong app. |
| 01:29.43 | cloakable | tee, I think |
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| 01:30.15 | kgoetz | mikefoo: which dcomand, or any command? |
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| 01:30.29 | iwkse | hi all, there's any reason why wxgtk is still 2.6 in debian? |
| 01:30.30 | kgoetz | mikefoo: errors should go to stderr, you can 'ust grab tehm from there' |
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| 01:30.55 | OlaX | syamajala: Thanks, dirvish looks very promising for my needs. |
| 01:31.10 | kgoetz | mikefoo: ask #bash, someone could help out quite quickly i expect |
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| 01:32.41 | abrotman | iwkse: instead of ? |
| 01:32.44 | tdrusk | #php sent me away to here :) Is there anything faster than wordpress? |
| 01:32.48 | iwkse | abrotman: 2.8 |
| 01:33.02 | chump | http://pastebin.ca/757185 |
| 01:33.10 | iwkse | abrotman: 2.6 is buggy with notebooks |
| 01:33.10 | abrotman | iwkse: how long ago was it released ? |
| 01:33.14 | chump | here is my bootlog |
| 01:33.22 | iwkse | abrotman: long time ago.. |
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| 01:34.00 | abrotman | iwkse: you could ask the maintainer ... |
| 01:34.21 | iwkse | abrotman: i think i got a lot of not nice emails |
| 01:34.23 | kgoetz | probably rdepends (thats the usual reason) |
| 01:34.25 | iwkse | i/he |
| 01:34.27 | cycl3d | tdrusk, why not drupal? |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | iwkse: i don't see bugs filed |
| 01:34.40 | iwkse | abrotman: weird |
| 01:35.08 | iwkse | abrotman: wxgtk is buggy with notebooks while you destroy a tab, it can crashes |
| 01:35.15 | streuner_ | chump: oh, ReiserFS, fine |
| 01:35.22 | iwkse | abrotman: it's fixed in 2.8 |
| 01:35.58 | iwkse | abrotman: it's easy to test it with amule |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | !maint libwxgtk2.6-0 |
| 01:36.03 | dpkg | libwxgtk2.6-0: Ron Lee <ron@debian.org> |
| 01:36.09 | chump | streuner: thanks :) haha |
| 01:36.12 | streuner_ | chump: did you give root-password yet? |
| 01:36.22 | chump | you want the rest of it ? |
| 01:36.31 | streuner_ | no, thanks :-) |
| 01:36.32 | tdrusk | cyl3d: I don't know. why not? The computer and internet connection aren't that fast, so I need as fast as I can get. |
| 01:36.44 | streuner_ | chump: you need to fsck the FS... |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | iwkse: finally found one http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440330 |
| 01:36.55 | kgoetz | tdrusk: any reason you dont want to use html? |
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| 01:37.15 | streuner_ | chump: i dunno about ReiserFS, but you need that first |
| 01:37.15 | d3lph1 | debian OWNS |
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| 01:37.25 | d3lph1 | OWNS someone |
| 01:37.31 | iwkse | abrotman: right, that's it |
| 01:37.32 | d3lph1 | archlinux sucks |
| 01:37.39 | d3lph1 | slack shit |
| 01:37.41 | iwkse | abrotman: i was sure wxgtk guys opened it |
| 01:37.48 | streuner_ | chump: try to run a LIVE-CD which supports ReiserFS and fsck the FS |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | iwkse: but .. nothing useful really came of it |
| 01:38.15 | streuner_ | !start a distro war |
| 01:38.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 01:38.21 | iwkse | abrotman: i wonder what the maintainer is doing |
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| 01:38.32 | tdrusk | kgoetz: I know very little html. I would like to learn, so if theres a way to set up a debian html site that would be great. I just don't know where to start. |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | iwkse: email him .. ask |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | iwkse: just be nice about it :) |
| 01:38.46 | iwkse | abrotman: i guess he got tons of email |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | iwkse: you never know .. |
| 01:38.59 | kgoetz | tdrusk: apt-get intsall apache, then head over to w3schools |
| 01:39.01 | iwkse | abrotman: sure, anyway i'll write too:) |
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| 01:39.22 | ApTek_ | c/clear |
| 01:39.36 | kgoetz | afk. lunch |
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| 01:40.11 | abrotman | iwkse: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403237 .. read that whole bug |
| 01:40.44 | chump | and i need to be on a rescue disk to do the check ? |
| 01:41.07 | streuner_ | chump: yes, i usually used that |
| 01:41.26 | streuner_ | chump: if the system itself cannot help itself |
| 01:41.40 | tdrusk | kgoetz: thanks. What should I look at in W3Schools? |
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| 01:42.02 | robboplus_ | how do i find out what file was opened last? |
| 01:42.19 | streuner_ | chump: if the live-CD didnt help to fsck the FS, the FS or the HD is finally broken |
| 01:42.26 | robboplus_ | something is writing to my drive consuming free space and i can't find out what on earth is that |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | iwkse: after reading that .. i fear you're screwed :) |
| 01:42.54 | abrotman | erm :( |
| 01:42.59 | chump | i'll get the SystemRescueCd and check it |
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| 01:43.06 | abrotman | who was asking about wacom the other day ... |
| 01:43.34 | iwkse | abrotman: still reading but the feeling is like that... |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | iwkse: it gets worse |
| 01:43.46 | iwkse | damn |
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| 01:44.16 | d3lph1 | lesbian? |
| 01:44.30 | streuner_ | sure :-) |
| 01:44.36 | streuner_ | lesbian.mine.nu ;-) |
| 01:44.38 | Tramp | streuner_: I'm confused. How do you see that chomp's Problem is with his FS? |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | d3lph1: do you need help? |
| 01:44.41 | d3lph1 | lol |
| 01:44.42 | d3lph1 | ;D |
| 01:44.59 | d3lph1 | abrotman no, tnks |
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| 01:45.25 | streuner_ | Tramp: just a wild guess ;-) |
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| 01:46.02 | streuner_ | Wed Oct 31 21:24:40 2007: ++ echo 'error: '\''/etc/init.d/rc'\'' exited outside the expected code flow.' |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | iwkse: did you finish reading yet? |
| 01:46.24 | streuner_ | thats seems to me like an FS error |
| 01:46.38 | iwkse | abrotman: still not, it's long text:) |
| 01:46.51 | streuner_ | Tramp: and NOT like an script error |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | it is .. |
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| 01:48.18 | Clinton__ | what's a good command line utility for getting cpu information that can be parsed, such as memory, cpu usage, load, etc. etc. ? |
| 01:48.39 | abrotman | you can use top in batch mode |
| 01:48.53 | Tramp | streuner_: Hmm. Ok, Ic. But - is there supposed to be S90single in rcS.d? (I suppose he uses etch, I'm on lenny and I don't have one, only in rc1.d) |
| 01:49.09 | Clinton__ | batch mode? brb didn't see that in the man |
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| 01:49.37 | iwkse | abrotman: so i finished |
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| 01:49.47 | abrotman | iwkse: are you crying yet? :) |
| 01:50.05 | streuner_ | Tramp: with this error-message its a FS error, and he can handle init-scripts whatever he want... |
| 01:50.16 | iwkse | abrotman: kind of but i can always build from sources |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | iwkse: i suppose .. but that's kind of crappy |
| 01:50.36 | iwkse | abrotman: i know, but isn't my fault |
| 01:50.41 | stew | Clinton__: vmstat 1 2 |
| 01:50.44 | robboplus_ | folks, how do you find out which files were accessed lately? |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | robboplus_: man find |
| 01:51.19 | stew | Clinton__: note that the first line it spits out is an average since boot, which is why i recommended 2 as the second parameter |
| 01:51.26 | robboplus_ | abrotman ok... |
| 01:51.37 | Clinton__ | stew: ty, that looks useful |
| 01:51.40 | streuner_ | Tramp: other wild guess, "he played with his initd-scripts", well, he should just re-install ;-) |
| 01:51.48 | iwkse | abrotman: i can understand about compatibility and a lot of users still with 2.4. or 2.6 but wtf, he could do a package for 2.8 also not official, since i can't really use the 2.6 ( i wonder how the 2.6 users can do) |
| 01:51.51 | chump | lol |
| 01:52.03 | streuner_ | Tramp: but with this error-message i would just fsck FS first. |
| 01:52.15 | abrotman | iwkse: i'm not sure if there's some course of action for difficult DDs or not |
| 01:52.25 | Tramp | streuner_: Yeah, I would also suppose a script error - but ok, a fsck is rarely wrong 8) |
| 01:52.47 | iwkse | i'll try to ask to wxgtk guys, maybe they created kind of that |
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| 01:52.57 | chump | does sysv-rc-conf have bug that mess initd-script ? |
| 01:52.59 | iwkse | abrotman: thanks for the chat:) |
| 01:53.02 | mmlj4 | I can't get http://hostname~/username/ to work... userdir is listed in mods_enabled, but the logs tell me that /var/www/~username doesn't exist... how to make it look in /home/username/public_html please? |
| 01:53.03 | robboplus_ | abrotman... thanks, man find was very useful this one time :) |
| 01:53.06 | abrotman | iwkse: sorry couldn't help more |
| 01:53.18 | mmlj4 | grr... http://hostname/~username |
| 01:53.28 | iwkse | abrotman: np, it's enough to know how things are..more light |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | stew: will you NMU wx 2.8 bits please :) |
| 01:53.38 | robboplus_ | the fuckin space eater is mysql's binlog shit :( |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | iwkse: just keep an eye out .. perhaps someone will make some packages |
| 01:53.44 | robboplus_ | i forgot to disable that crap |
| 01:53.55 | iwkse | abrotman: oki |
| 01:53.56 | robboplus_ | grrr... |
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| 01:54.10 | chump | well i'll get back after the fsck if it doesnt take the night ;) |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | iwkse: it seems pretty unlikely that it wouldn't happen .. seems a lot of stuff depends on it |
| 01:54.36 | chump | so thanks for your help guys and i'll certainly come back |
| 01:54.47 | iwkse | abrotman: what about then fixing the notebook crashes? |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | iwkse: if it's any consolation .. i've also heard people complaining about the state of the wacom packages that he also maintains |
| 01:54.52 | streuner_ | good luck, you will need that |
| 01:55.05 | iwkse | abrotman: i don't really care of 2.8, it will be really great a 2.6 that works |
| 01:55.07 | abrotman | iwkse: get a new notebook? :) |
| 01:55.20 | iwkse | abrotman: i mean GtkNotebook:) |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | oh .. i don't know anything about it |
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| 01:55.49 | iwkse | abrotman: if you install amule you can understand what i mean |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | iwkse: i have lenny ... |
| 01:56.04 | _dude | howz ATI now good :)? |
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| 01:56.07 | iwkse | abrotman: you have tabs, when you close a tab it crashes |
| 01:56.10 | robboplus_ | lol... 5 gigs eaten by damned binlogs... |
| 01:56.16 | iwkse | _dude: i don't think is still good |
| 01:56.30 | _dude | what about AIGLX? |
| 01:56.37 | iwkse | _dude: they just speak good:) |
| 01:56.49 | iwkse | _dude: it works but damn slow |
| 01:57.02 | iwkse | _dude: and still scratches (ati 9800pro) |
| 01:57.29 | _dude | maybe i'll wait a little longer then. |
| 01:57.32 | iwkse | _dude: i decide i will always use open drivers, i'm sure they will be better than proprietary one |
| 01:57.43 | Tramp | hmm ... /etc/rcS.d/S90single start - this will execute "exec init -t1 S" and this will, afaik, terminate the rc, causing the trap. |
| 01:57.58 | stew | abrotman: eh? |
| 01:58.09 | iwkse | abrotman: i'm with sid |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403237 |
| 01:58.20 | iwkse | abrotman: lenny should be the testing, right? |
| 01:58.24 | abrotman | yep |
| 01:58.26 | iwkse | oki |
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| 01:58.55 | stew | abrotman: wishlist bugs don't make for good NMU targets |
| 01:59.22 | abrotman | stew: you'd have to read the whole thing .. wx2.8 has been out over a year .. the maintainer basically has no interest in packaging it |
| 01:59.57 | abrotman | stew: it's going to become a real bug for people wishing to introduce new software into debian but the wx packages are too old |
| 02:00.09 | struct | blah |
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| 02:01.45 | tdrusk | I'm setting up my wordpress server. I go to myipaddress/blog/ but it wants me to download a phtml file, not setup wordpress. what did I do wrong? |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | iwkse: how do i make a new tab ? |
| 02:01.57 | iwkse | abrotman: you can search for stuff |
| 02:02.06 | iwkse | abrotman: it adds a new tab |
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| 02:02.10 | iwkse | so try to close it |
| 02:02.13 | iwkse | and you get a crash |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | iwkse: this is very complicated to use! |
| 02:02.34 | iwkse | abrotman: are you talking about amule? |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | yes :) |
| 02:02.56 | iwkse | abrotman: oki:) |
| 02:03.01 | iwkse | abrotman: goes on the searches button |
| 02:03.19 | iwkse | abrotman: write something and search |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | iwkse: (amule:5735): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_container_remove: assertion `GTK_IS_TOOLBAR (container) || widget->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container)' failed |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | that you mean ? |
| 02:03.36 | iwkse | yea |
| 02:03.49 | abrotman | that's a wxgtk issue ? |
| 02:03.54 | iwkse | yes |
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| 02:04.49 | Reiser2 | Hi |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | iwkse: i'm not really sure what to tell you |
| 02:05.06 | Reiser2 | i installed apache2 but don' t run, i am using etch |
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| 02:05.23 | abrotman | Reiser2: check the logs |
| 02:05.28 | Reiser2 | is rare i ever install without problems |
| 02:05.36 | abrotman | iwkse: if no one will NMU it .. you're kind of stuck |
| 02:05.55 | iwkse | abrotman: that's bad since i never read the debian maintainer guide:) |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | iwkse: good time to start! |
| 02:06.18 | iwkse | abrotman: ;) |
| 02:06.25 | guillaume1 | hello :) wich is the best sip software X-Lite or SJ Phone ? |
| 02:06.34 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.58 | wols_ | !best |
| 02:06.58 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:07.07 | wols_ | guillaume1: not to mention this software isn't even in debian |
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| 02:07.41 | chump | well .. |
| 02:07.45 | guillaume1 | wols_: they're recommended by my isp provider... sorry |
| 02:07.45 | chump | i guess i'll juste reinstall .. |
| 02:07.55 | Tramp | chump: NO |
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| 02:08.03 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.16 | Tramp | chump: can you give me a ls -l of /etc/rcS.d/S90single? |
| 02:08.34 | chump | of course |
| 02:08.45 | Reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/757219 |
| 02:08.55 | Reiser2 | abrotman, please check |
| 02:08.55 | Tramp | chump: I think this file must not exist. |
| 02:09.34 | guillaume1 | wols_: there's no support for debian... and ekiga seem not to run properly with this isp settings |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | Reiser2: there's an error log also |
| 02:09.52 | Reiser2 | that is error.log |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | what's in the access.log ? |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | cause that's freaking useless |
| 02:10.10 | Reiser2 | nothing |
| 02:10.31 | abrotman | Reiser2: what if you try to start it with apachectk ? |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | ctl |
| 02:11.21 | Reiser2 | /etc/init.d/apache2 start i get |
| 02:11.22 | Reiser2 | Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 02:11.22 | Reiser2 | httpd (pid 11897) already running |
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| 02:11.47 | chump | http://pastebin.ca/757221 |
| 02:12.09 | chump | it point to /etc/init.d/single |
| 02:12.27 | Tramp | chump: no, i meant just the "ls -l" of this file, to see, when it was created |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | Reiser2: killall httpd |
| 02:12.56 | abrotman | Reiser2: then try again |
| 02:12.57 | chump | today |
| 02:13.04 | chump | 7:13 |
| 02:13.15 | chump | 07:43 sorry |
| 02:13.17 | Tramp | chump: does this time mean something for you? |
| 02:13.31 | Reiser2 | httpd: no process killed |
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| 02:13.36 | Tramp | chump: e.g. did you install something at this time? |
| 02:13.43 | abrotman | Reiser2: ps aux | grep apache |
| 02:14.03 | chump | well .. i guess i did .. maybe lm-sensors or hddtemp.. |
| 02:14.19 | Reiser2 | ps -aux | grep apache ----> no results |
| 02:14.21 | Tramp | chump: I'm pretty sure, this link must not exist. Is this debian etch? |
| 02:14.24 | Reiser2 | ps -aux | grep apache2 ----> no results |
| 02:14.30 | Reiser2 | is rare thing |
| 02:14.54 | chump | yeah |
| 02:14.56 | Tramp | chump: The existence of this link throws you in single-user mode and terminates the rc-Script, which gives the error-message you see. |
| 02:15.46 | Tramp | chump: I don't have etch. Maybe somebody with etch installed can just confirm, that there is no S90single in rcS? |
| 02:16.06 | salvin | what does module create /dev/sequencer ? |
| 02:16.41 | Tramp | Is there a S90single supposed to be in etch? |
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| 02:17.37 | Reiser2 | installed again, but nothing |
| 02:17.39 | Reiser2 | :S |
| 02:18.09 | Tramp | chump: Well, however. I suggest to remove this link and try to reboot once more. |
| 02:18.32 | chump | wait i think i've got a vmware machine .. just need to run vmware-config.pl |
| 02:18.35 | chump | just a sec |
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| 02:18.58 | a-atwood | anyone here ever installed on a SPARC box w/ no video card? It looks like I'm getting the "boot:" prompt on the serial console, then the box is trying to switch to keyboard/monitor console, even though they don't exist. |
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| 02:19.13 | Reiser2 | abrotman: are you there? |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:19.30 | abrotman | stew: did you read the whole thing? |
| 02:19.32 | Reiser2 | what do you think about it ? |
| 02:19.40 | dondelelcaro | a-atwood: the sparc install guide may have instructions on how to do that |
| 02:19.44 | abrotman | Reiser2: apache2ctl start .. what happens ? |
| 02:20.11 | dondelelcaro | a-atwood: you could also try asking on #debian-sparc on OFTC if no one here knows |
| 02:20.22 | a-atwood | dondelelcaro: read it. tried the console=serial boot parameter, but looks like box is not taking it |
| 02:20.43 | dondelelcaro | (or the sparc mailing list) |
| 02:20.47 | chump | Tramp you are right . no S90Single in that dir |
| 02:20.51 | a-atwood | what sux is that box is at work, and they have irc blocked there |
| 02:21.05 | dondelelcaro | a-atwood: ssh into some machine and irc? ;-) |
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| 02:21.25 | a-atwood | will try to set up a proxy this weekend, but for now don't have time. have to get to bed |
| 02:21.38 | a-atwood | 04:00 comes awfully early. |
| 02:21.49 | Tramp | chump: I have really no idea where it comes from ... |
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| 02:22.15 | Tramp | chump: But I'm pretty sure that's your problem. |
| 02:22.15 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: S90single is only run in single user mode |
| 02:22.18 | chump | maybe a bug with hddtemp .. or lm-sensors.. |
| 02:22.25 | Reiser2 | abrotman: like this /etc/init.d/apache2ctl start ? |
| 02:22.37 | chump | well reboot time |
| 02:22.38 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: exactly. That's why it makes no sense in rcS.d |
| 02:22.39 | chump | brb |
| 02:22.43 | abrotman | Reiser2: yes |
| 02:23.04 | Reiser2 | the file no exist |
| 02:23.04 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: oh, it definetly should be in rcS.d |
| 02:23.11 | dondelelcaro | s/should/&n't/ |
| 02:23.27 | acu | I want to buy a PDA mobile phone - is anything which runs on linux open source software? |
| 02:23.33 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: It's existence throws chump in single-user mode on every reboot |
| 02:23.53 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: ah; originally he was having a different problem. |
| 02:23.56 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: with an error-message from rc |
| 02:23.56 | Reiser2 | ok, i kill the process |
| 02:24.09 | Reiser2 | now when i try to run again i get this |
| 02:24.35 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: it's running of init -t1 S terminates rc, causing it to trap with said error. |
| 02:24.42 | Reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/757230 |
| 02:24.49 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: right, makes sense. I didn't see the pastebin output |
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| 02:25.14 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: Just extremely puzzled, how this links sneaked into rcS.d |
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| 02:25.29 | abrotman | Reiser2: something is using port 80 |
| 02:25.53 | Reiser2 | but what |
| 02:26.03 | Reiser2 | this is a new installation in my laptop |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | Reiser2: fuser -n tcp 80 |
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| 02:26.56 | Reiser2 | 80/tcp: 19675 19677 |
| 02:27.00 | chump | finally :D |
| 02:27.11 | abrotman | Reiser2: ps aux | grep 19675 |
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| 02:27.56 | Reiser2 | www-data 19675 0.0 0.9 230984 2456 ? Sl 22:17 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 02:28.21 | abrotman | that's apache! |
| 02:28.34 | abrotman | Reiser2: kill 19675 19677 |
| 02:28.42 | abrotman | make sure they're dead .. RAID dead |
| 02:29.13 | Reiser2 | now |
| 02:29.38 | Tramp | chump: So it worked 8) |
| 02:29.43 | chump | yeah |
| 02:29.54 | Reiser2 | i use -s bacause the process no want to die |
| 02:30.21 | abrotman | Reiser2: anything left on port 80 ? |
| 02:30.53 | Reiser2 | no |
| 02:30.58 | Tramp | chump: what's the ls -l time of /usr/sbin/sensors-detect? |
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| 02:31.45 | abrotman | Reiser2: try to start apache2 again |
| 02:31.51 | stew | abrotman: no |
| 02:31.52 | Reiser2 | ok wait |
| 02:31.57 | chump | 19:50 |
| 02:32.02 | abrotman | stew: okeedokee :) |
| 02:32.14 | stew | abrotman: sholdn't 2.8 be a RFP, not a wishlist bug against 2.6? |
| 02:32.31 | Reiser2 | nothing |
| 02:32.32 | stew | abrotman: i'm busy fixing rc bugs :) |
| 02:32.41 | abrotman | stew: well .. the package is there .. but a new version .. dunno .. |
| 02:32.43 | Tramp | chump: hmm. and /usr/sbin/hddtemp? |
| 02:32.43 | Reiser2 | Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 02:32.44 | Reiser2 | . |
| 02:32.50 | abrotman | stew: in tritium i hope! |
| 02:32.54 | chump | so was this morning .. hehe 7:43... |
| 02:32.58 | Reiser2 | but can open localhost with browser |
| 02:33.16 | abrotman | Reiser2: that's just a warning |
| 02:33.18 | Tramp | chump: then hddtemp seems to be the culprit |
| 02:33.21 | abrotman | you should fix it ... but it'll still run |
| 02:33.27 | stew | abrotman: no, in debian. i'm taking a break from the bug i wasted 2 weeks on in tritium |
| 02:33.35 | chump | 19:08 hddtemp |
| 02:33.42 | chump | about 11h later .. |
| 02:33.49 | Tramp | ah. no then. ok. |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | stew: have mrs stew fix it! |
| 02:33.53 | Reiser2 | i use ps -aux | grep apache2 |
| 02:33.56 | Reiser2 | but nothing |
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| 02:34.27 | abrotman | stew: maybe you should start tritium from scratch? :) |
| 02:34.37 | Tramp | chump: well, then it would be a forensic task to find out where this link camp from. |
| 02:35.07 | chump | i think i was in the shower at this time this morning .. |
| 02:35.09 | chump | hehe |
| 02:35.18 | kgoetz | H _^H _^H _^H _^H |
| 02:35.21 | kgoetz | hm |
| 02:35.24 | Reiser2 | now? |
| 02:35.45 | Tramp | chump: would make me worry who messed with the system at this time ... |
| 02:36.00 | stew | abrotman: i've been thinking about ditching the window manager library it is built on which wouldn't be starting from scratch but would be as close as i'd come |
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| 02:36.24 | abrotman | stew: considering that's the core i'd imagine .. yeah |
| 02:36.38 | abrotman | stew: i thought other DDs were going to help |
| 02:36.49 | chump | is there a command to search for file with temp filter ? |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | grep ? |
| 02:37.22 | Tramp | chump: yeah, "file" |
| 02:37.48 | Tramp | chump: aeh find. |
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| 02:38.36 | Reiser2 | abrotman: don't forget me |
| 02:38.37 | Tramp | chump: with the ctime/mtime/atime options |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | Reiser2: don't don't don't .. don't you forget about me .. |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | Reiser2: it's running |
| 02:39.43 | Tramp | Reiser2: did you already try "pidof apache2" - that's what the script does. |
| 02:41.03 | Reiser2 | 1481 1479 1478 1465 29161 19674 |
| 02:41.39 | Tramp | Reiser2: ok. So these are your webservers then, I think. |
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| 02:46.35 | Reiser2 | damm |
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| 02:54.43 | Reiser2 | abrotman: i think i know what is the problem |
| 02:54.48 | tdrusk | How can I make a simple webpage with debian etch server? I just want html |
| 02:55.00 | Reiser2 | when i boot my linux there is an error with interfaces files |
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| 02:55.13 | Reiser2 | it says can read /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | !w3 |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | bah |
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| 03:01.06 | JeffH | Is there any way to tell ez-ipupdate or ddclient to tell dyndns to update to the ip used to establish the connection? |
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| 03:02.22 | LinuxMeister | is there a way to set nice() as a regular user and not root? |
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| 03:09.22 | Tramp | JeffH: from a quick look at the specs: When no IP is given in the request, dyndns tries to guess ... so maybe if you leave the -ip-parameter blank in ddclient? |
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| 03:10.23 | iwkse | abrotman: do you know where the docbook2html is packed in debian? |
| 03:10.42 | abrotman | !find docbook2html |
| 03:10.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'docbook2html' (1): (/usr/bin/docbook2html) in text/docbook-utils. |
| 03:10.56 | iwkse | thx! |
| 03:11.22 | hardbop200 | I would like to try my hand at building a livecd for learning; is it possible to install debian into my home dir in a folder and chroot into it and work from there? (does this question make sense?) |
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| 03:11.52 | evaristodebian | Ahoraestoyenxfceynopuedoutilizarelespacio |
| 03:13.33 | troubled | dpkg: google for debian |
| 03:13.53 | troubled | :/ |
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| 03:14.19 | iwkse | !find saxon |
| 03:14.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'saxon' (3 of 10): (/usr/share/Dart/Source/Server/saxon/saxon8.jar) in devel/dart-server ;; (/usr/share/doc/docbook-xsl/doc/html/saxon.character.representation.html) in doc/docbook-xsl-doc-html ;; (/usr/share/java/{saxon-6.5.5.jar|saxon-jdom-6.5.5.jar|saxon-jdom.jar|...}) in libs/libsaxon-java. |
| 03:14.51 | fignew | hardbop200: that would work... sorta |
| 03:15.22 | fignew | would be using the normal "host" kernel though |
| 03:15.47 | abrotman | iwkse: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:15.49 | hardbop200 | fignew: it's really hard to explain what I'm wanting here, but basically I do not want to have to build another machine just to build a live distro...or do I have to no matter what I want? :) |
| 03:16.03 | fignew | hardbop200: I'd say use virtualization |
| 03:16.11 | abrotman | iwkse: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search docbook2html |
| 03:16.16 | fignew | like virtualbox or vmware |
| 03:16.16 | hardbop200 | that's a very good idea, I hadn't thought of that |
| 03:16.26 | iwkse | abrotman: yes, was asking kind of that..it the bot allow redirection |
| 03:16.43 | abrotman | iwkse: easier to use apt-file on your own box |
| 03:16.51 | iwkse | abrotman: ah..nice |
| 03:17.00 | hardbop200 | fignew: any suggestions as to which one (virtualbox or vmware) would be better? I have very limited experience with vmware, none with vb |
| 03:17.30 | fignew | I've used virtualbox in the past |
| 03:17.37 | fignew | works well, easy to use. |
| 03:17.50 | hardbop200 | I will try that then. Thanks very much for a very good suggestion! :) |
| 03:17.55 | iwkse | i uses both, vmware and virtualbox..now just virtualbox |
| 03:18.50 | fignew | what kind of livecd is it gonna be? |
| 03:21.23 | hardbop200 | well, nothing that's going to interest too many people. primarily a kernel suitable for multimedia (audio) work, with a few apps that I need to use with my band (synthesizers). the primary goal is for it to be as small and light as possible. |
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| 03:22.01 | iwkse | hardbop200: did you look at agnula demudi? |
| 03:22.04 | hardbop200 | there are a few livecds that do this already, but none of them have just the things that I want. |
| 03:22.19 | hardbop200 | iwkse: yes, and pure:dyne, and dynebolic, and... :) |
| 03:22.30 | iwkse | hardbop200: ok:) |
| 03:22.55 | hardbop200 | iwkse: also, I want to do it for the learning experience. |
| 03:22.58 | dotz | hi i'm trying to clone a harddisk to another.. i mounted the new harddisk on /mnt/clone .. after cloning, i install lilo by chroot /mnt/clone /sbin/lilo but result in errorsFatal: Bios device code 0x80 is being used by two disks |
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| 03:23.10 | iwkse | hardbop200: good point |
| 03:23.20 | dotz | need some help |
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| 03:26.02 | iwkse | dotz: have you tried to ask in #lilo? |
| 03:26.31 | kgoetz | iwkse: iirc #lilo directs to #freenode |
| 03:27.02 | iwkse | right |
| 03:29.53 | dotz | hmm |
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| 03:35.20 | snerfu | does anyone have the eee pc and is currently running or plan on running debian on it? |
| 03:35.46 | wols | !anyone use the eee pc |
| 03:35.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses the eee pc, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:36.00 | snerfu | snap |
| 03:36.30 | Diafic | !anyone know what they're talking about |
| 03:36.38 | Diafic | :( |
| 03:36.51 | Diafic | snerfu, If I had one, I'd put doobian on it. |
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| 03:37.21 | snerfu | Getting one tommorow. |
| 03:38.41 | snerfu | It has an atheros chipset, but madwifi doesn't work with it yet. Though it is coming. |
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| 03:39.10 | Nostahl | anyone familiar with debootstrap command |
| 03:39.18 | Nostahl | i just tryed it and it said command not found |
| 03:39.24 | Nostahl | trying to do a tutorial etc |
| 03:39.34 | gravity | Nostahl: It's in sbin |
| 03:39.37 | gravity | /usr/sbin that is |
| 03:40.37 | Nostahl | i just looked in my /usr/sbin |
| 03:40.39 | Nostahl | its not there |
| 03:40.44 | Nostahl | what do i do to get it? |
| 03:40.57 | gravity | Nostahl: Install the debootstrap package |
| 03:42.20 | Nostahl | ty a ton! that is the ticket gravity tyvm |
| 03:42.39 | gravity | No problem |
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| 03:47.35 | axscode | how in shell script to ask for "press any key to continue" |
| 03:49.16 | kgoetz | axscode: echo+read |
| 03:49.42 | jimlocker | find a script that does it and peek |
| 03:52.21 | karsten | axscode: echo -e "Press any key to continue \c"; read |
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| 03:54.40 | Tramp | well, I think you have to mess with the tty settings. Otherwise it requires a return afaik. |
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| 04:01.19 | vermi | I'm having a bit of an issue with X11. I'm trying to re-define my Device, because it initially shows the wrong one. I want to use ati_drv.so, but it keeps telling me that ati_drv doesn't have an ati_drvModuleData associated with it. |
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| 04:01.51 | gravity | vermi: Use just "ati" |
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| 04:01.58 | vermi | ok, let me try that |
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| 04:03.45 | vermi | It worked! |
| 04:03.47 | vermi | Thanks a lot :D |
| 04:04.06 | gravity | No problem |
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| 04:04.28 | vermi | I've been at that for like two hours now... Heheh. Well, have a good night! |
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| 04:07.32 | xianai | hi |
| 04:08.44 | xianai | help |
| 04:09.47 | snerfu | A little more specific please. |
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| 04:13.49 | motorik | anyone uses kdevelop here? |
| 04:13.51 | wols | snerfu: the ee pc already runs linux out of the box, so why wouldn't debian run? |
| 04:14.01 | wols | !anyone use kdevelop |
| 04:14.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses kdevelop, not even the people who use it. |
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| 04:14.40 | \amethyst | has anyone here encountered the "Int13 eltorito call with AX=4C00" error when booting a CD made with live-helper? |
| 04:15.44 | snerfu | Yeah, I know it will run debian. I have seen it. I was just going to see if there was anyone else out there using it that wanted to talk about it. |
| 04:16.42 | snerfu | Actually, I did have one question as to the wireless driver to select upon install. |
| 04:16.57 | snerfu | which was part of the reason I was asking. |
| 04:17.19 | snerfu | It is some kind of new atheros chipset. |
| 04:17.25 | motorik | so does kdevelop has a shortcut for autocomplete just like ctrl+p in vi? |
| 04:17.27 | snerfu | But I know it does work. |
| 04:17.47 | JeffH | How important is Stateful Packet Inspection in a router/firewall? |
| 04:17.54 | wols | JeffH: very |
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| 04:21.32 | stormshadow | well spi is one of the options you can use of I think three |
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| 04:24.09 | \amethyst | hmm... found the live-helper fix |
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| 04:28.41 | bullgard4 | English help wanted. http://valgrind.org/: "Valgrind is an award-winning suite of tools for debugging and profiling Linux programs." What does 'profiling' mean? |
| 04:30.33 | \amethyst | bullgard4: it's a technical term, meaning to measure the speed of a program in detail |
| 04:31.08 | \amethyst | bullgard4: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiler_%28Programmierung%29 |
| 04:31.52 | \amethyst | (not just speed; valgrind's profiling is mostly about memory usage) |
| 04:32.20 | bullgard4 | \amethyst: Thank you very much for explaining. |
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| 04:40.26 | cast | lol @ memory leaks in my C assignments that i never lost marks for :> |
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| 04:41.39 | stormshadow | lol |
| 04:41.58 | \amethyst | cast: Teaching a C++ class as I do, i've been tempted to run student programs under valgrind |
| 04:42.08 | \amethyst | cast: But I haven't, for whatever reason |
| 04:45.45 | JeffH | I'm using fcheck to check file integrity and its telling me /etc/postgresql/8.1/main/log has changed.. which is perfectly okay.. is there a way to tell fcheck that its okay? |
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| 04:46.29 | cast | any decent IDS will have some ability in its config |
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| 04:47.23 | cast | s/ome/uch |
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| 04:51.43 | \amethyst | JeffH: isn't /etc/postgresql/8.1/main/log a symlink? |
| 04:53.02 | JeffH | \amethyst: yeah. I just suddenly starting getting an e-mail saying there was a difference.. trying to figure out what's going on. |
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| 04:54.36 | \amethyst | JeffH: I guess it follows symlinks... You should be able to add Exclusion = /etc/postgresql/8.1/main/log to fcheck.cfg |
| 04:55.00 | JeffH | \amethyst: thanks, I'll give that a try. |
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| 04:55.17 | \amethyst | JeffH: as described in the README, you'll have to reinitialize the database, otherwise it will report it as deleted |
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| 04:58.27 | JeffH | \amethyst: is it a bad idea to exclude that file? |
| 04:58.38 | \amethyst | JeffH: no, since it's a log |
| 04:59.32 | \amethyst | JeffH: it's a symlink to the log in /var/log/postgresql/ |
| 04:59.43 | JeffH | yeah.. I see that. |
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| 05:00.19 | s[exe] | Everytime my screensaver in KDE runs, it ends up restarting my KDE instead of locking the session on the computer. I'm using Debain with KDE 3.5 -- does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 05:00.59 | \amethyst | s[exe]: as soon as it starts, or when you try unlocking? |
| 05:01.07 | s[exe] | As soon as it starts |
| 05:01.18 | \amethyst | no clue then :( |
| 05:01.25 | s[exe] | And when I go to change the SS in Control Center, it restarts KDE |
| 05:01.30 | s[exe] | So...I can't even change it |
| 05:01.34 | s[exe] | Is there a console command to do it? |
| 05:02.18 | \amethyst | probably something with dcop, but I don't know KDE very well, and don't even have it installed to try figuring it out :( |
| 05:02.37 | s[exe] | Bleh, thanks anyways :( |
| 05:02.42 | s[exe] | Anyone else have any ideas? |
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| 05:03.52 | s[exe] | Hm |
| 05:03.54 | s[exe] | It did it again. |
| 05:03.59 | \amethyst | anyone here competing in the ACM international collegiate programming contest? |
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| 05:08.03 | s[exe] | Is there any way to reinstall the screensaver section of KDE? |
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| 05:11.05 | JeffH | Is there a good howto somewhere on setting up a box to not allow remote root access? |
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| 05:13.27 | Biju | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.29 | cast | no point, its a single line in sshd_config manpage |
| 05:14.06 | cast | unless you're wanting something more broad, then one can use PAM |
| 05:14.37 | cast | Biju: and we're even *less* interested |
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| 05:15.23 | dalias | biju, this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 05:16.18 | dalias | btw is your nick chinese? :P |
| 05:16.22 | Biju | I understand :). Just looking for all the possible places for help. Tried Google, Ubuntuforums.org, Linuxquestions |
| 05:16.49 | Biju | dalias, No why? |
| 05:17.22 | s[exe] | hm |
| 05:17.28 | s[exe] | xscreensaver works, but kscreensaver doesnt |
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| 05:17.58 | dalias | it means beer :) |
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| 05:18.15 | Biju | dalias, Its actually my name :D |
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| 05:18.25 | dalias | :D |
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| 05:21.06 | JeffH | am I opening myself up for problems if I open ssh to the outside world? |
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| 05:21.39 | \amethyst | JeffH: you're opening yourself up to brute-force attempts, so you should have good passwords |
| 05:22.03 | \amethyst | some people like fail2ban or similar programs to detect and stop brute-forcing |
| 05:22.38 | JeffH | If I did do that I'd probably disable remote root login. |
| 05:23.10 | Ward1983 | i want to startx automatically, can i add it in some file? |
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| 05:23.24 | Ward1983 | (startx automaticalle on boot i mean) |
| 05:23.36 | JeffH | Ward1983: can't you just change your runlevel to start x? |
| 05:23.45 | \amethyst | JeffH: if a user with sudo access has a bad password, it will only help a little bit |
| 05:23.55 | Ward1983 | JeffH, i don't know, you tell me :-) |
| 05:24.15 | Ward1983 | JeffH, its ARM based, should that mather |
| 05:25.27 | \amethyst | JeffH: Another possibility is giving root a disabled password, then using only ssh or sudo to access root |
| 05:26.03 | \amethyst | (ssh with a key, that is) |
| 05:26.28 | JeffH | \amethyst: I've already setup sudo to allow my one user to run root commands. |
| 05:27.17 | Ward1983 | anyone? |
| 05:27.32 | \amethyst | JeffH: that's theoretically no more secure than giving root the same password as the user |
| 05:27.45 | JeffH | good point |
| 05:28.10 | \amethyst | in practice, the kiddiez try 'root' much more frequently than 'JeffH' |
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| 05:29.21 | JeffH | Ward1983: edit /etc/inittab and change id:2:initdefault: to id:4:initdefault |
| 05:29.55 | Ward1983 | JeffH, ok, but can you please explain what it does? |
| 05:30.27 | \amethyst | err, does debian run X from inittab in runlevel 4 now or something? |
| 05:30.50 | Ward1983 | can it break my system? |
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| 05:30.58 | Ward1983 | (because believe me, it was a lot of work) |
| 05:31.00 | JeffH | Ward: Unix has a concept of runlevels.. the line 'id:2:initdefault' sets the default runlevel to 2, if you change it to 4 then it should boot to X. |
| 05:31.20 | \amethyst | JeffH: I don't think that does what you expect it to in Debian |
| 05:31.47 | JeffH | This is just the info I've figured out in quick research since you asked the question.. I'd suggest you do your own research rather than take it from me.. |
| 05:31.59 | Ward1983 | i was hoping i could just put that command in some file that makes it run on boot |
| 05:32.27 | \amethyst | Ward1983: I would recommend installing gdm, and in the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf adding AutomaticLogin = ward |
| 05:32.30 | Ward1983 | JeffH, i can't find much on google, that's why i'm here |
| 05:32.53 | \amethyst | Ward1983: the problem with just running startx on boot is that it will be running as root |
| 05:32.54 | Ward1983 | where ward is my username? |
| 05:32.57 | \amethyst | which you don't want |
| 05:33.00 | \amethyst | Ward1983: yes |
| 05:33.10 | JeffH | I seem to recall that installing xdm|kdm|gdm also setup things such that X was automatically setup. |
| 05:33.50 | \amethyst | Ward1983: If you don't add the AutomaticLogin thing, gdm will give you an X login screen on boot |
| 05:34.36 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, let me explain a bit better |
| 05:35.02 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i'm running debian on my pda, and it boots in CLI, then i connect trough USB with ssh |
| 05:35.29 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, but i would like to get x started automatically without my comp |
| 05:35.39 | Ward1983 | so i cant type in CLI |
| 05:35.57 | Ward1983 | i can't actually login, unless with a onscreen keyboard in xserver |
| 05:36.15 | \amethyst | Ward1983: so AutomaticLogin sounds like what you want |
| 05:36.31 | \amethyst | though gdm might be a little heavyweight for a PDA |
| 05:36.46 | Ward1983 | probably |
| 05:36.57 | Ward1983 | i tend to keep everything as light as possible |
| 05:37.03 | Ward1983 | its running fluxbox very well :-) |
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| 05:37.47 | Ward1983 | its a 520Mhz (i think xscale) |
| 05:37.48 | \amethyst | Ward1983: slim (another, lightweight, display manager) might support automatic login... i don't know |
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| 05:38.32 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i'll google it, normalyl i can install more display managers and switch right? |
| 05:38.54 | \amethyst | Ward1983: yes, but you have to edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 05:38.55 | ddalton | hey is there a debian livecd? (With brltty)? |
| 05:39.05 | cast | !debian-live |
| 05:39.05 | dpkg | methinks debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:39.07 | ddalton | I guess I could install it though |
| 05:39.30 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ok |
| 05:39.32 | dserban__ | I can't seem to use m-a to build the legacy 96xx drivers.. where does m-a keep a log of buildable modules? |
| 05:39.38 | cast | dunno why brltty is, but the livecd can have whatever you want |
| 05:39.41 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, thanx for the info |
| 05:39.46 | ddalton | so I can't just download a livecd like ubuntu for example? |
| 05:39.47 | dserban__ | ie. what do I need to do to have m-a build nvidia-legacy-96xx?? |
| 05:40.34 | ddalton | Well it would be nice if it had brltty |
| 05:40.42 | ddalton | im blind that's why... |
| 05:41.14 | cast | oh..brailtty...ok. didn't know what that was :) |
| 05:41.18 | ddalton | so anyone got an url to a liveced? |
| 05:41.29 | ddalton | livecd |
| 05:41.34 | dwu | *quietswear* being blind doesn't stop you googling, surely :/ |
| 05:41.41 | dwu | I knnow, I know, polite, all that jazz. |
| 05:41.48 | ddalton | whatever... |
| 05:41.57 | ddalton | just thought you would have a link but anyway |
| 05:42.02 | ddalton | so is there one before I gogle? |
| 05:42.05 | ddalton | google |
| 05:42.11 | cast | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/livecd/documentation.html |
| 05:42.17 | cast | The LiveCD includes the brltty program that allows a blind person to read the contents of Linux text console on a Braille display. In order to activate it: |
| 05:42.43 | dwu | There's a version of Knoppix that includes Speakup as well. |
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| 05:43.22 | ddalton | ok so is there one with speakup and brltty? |
| 05:43.22 | dwu | And mentions brltty, but bleh, I have work. |
| 05:43.26 | dwu | ... |
| 05:44.05 | dwu | google. "linux livecd btltty speakup". Read hits. etc. |
| 05:44.21 | dwu | Oralux includes speakup -and- brltty. |
| 05:44.44 | ddalton | Ok thanks for the help Ill do a bit of research |
| 05:44.46 | dwu | ddalton: http://oralux.org/livecd.php # enjoy. |
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| 05:45.11 | \amethyst | ddma: you can also build a custom debian-live with brltty, but the procedure is a little complicated |
| 05:45.18 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:45.19 | dwu | \amethyst: He's gone. |
| 05:45.41 | dwu | Ignoring joins and parts, are we ;) |
| 05:45.49 | cast | i wonder if loonix has increased popularity among the blind than windows |
| 05:45.54 | |xianai| | hey, all guys, I found that after a mysterious dist-upgrade , my num led does not turn on for ever, do you have that same problem ? |
| 05:45.59 | \amethyst | dwu: not ignoring, just inobservant |
| 05:46.04 | dwu | \amethyst: Aww :) |
| 05:46.43 | |xianai| | hey, guys, I found that after a mysterious dist-upgrade , my num led does not turn on for ever, do you have that same problem ? |
| 05:47.06 | dwu | cast: I hung out with a group of visually impaired folks - Windows had more existing TTS stuff at the time (2003), it may be different now, but I'm not sure. |
| 05:47.44 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, no luck, can only find gdm stuff, any other suggestions? |
| 05:47.47 | dwu | cast: Mind, these were also folks who were working on a set of scripts for mIRC to improve integration with the MS speech stuff; so prolly a biased sample. |
| 05:48.46 | cast | TTS? |
| 05:48.54 | \amethyst | !tts |
| 05:48.54 | dpkg | well, tts is time to sleep |
| 05:49.03 | \amethyst | dpkg, tts is also text-to-speech |
| 05:49.04 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 05:49.31 | dwu | Heh. |
| 05:50.03 | cast | seems quite painless to use *nix without any sort of gui, whereas i can't imagine using XP like that |
| 05:50.29 | dwu | With a decent TTS, guis are actually really navigable. |
| 05:50.36 | dwu | (navigatable?) |
| 05:50.47 | dwu | Not -easy-, but not impossible. |
| 05:51.04 | \amethyst | 'navigable' is correct |
| 05:51.14 | \amethyst | dwu: I wrote a (very) rudimentary TTS script for sirc once upon a time |
| 05:52.27 | dwu | \amethyst: ah, interesting. |
| 05:52.48 | cast | i like CLI far more than GUI as an interface for nearly all tasks {exceptions: drawing, 3d models/animation}, so i'm a bit biased. but was imaging being blind would definitely tip the scales in favour of CLI |
| 05:52.58 | cast | imagining* |
| 05:53.10 | dserban__ | nvm, dpkg helped me :) |
| 05:53.13 | dwu | cast: Sure, unless you can't get the CLI installed because you don't have a braille driver or TTS :) |
| 05:53.17 | \amethyst | dwu: it just piped stuff through festival :) |
| 05:53.31 | dwu | \amethyst: Oh, gods, festival :) |
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| 05:55.28 | dwu | cast: It's true they tended towards text-based-IO apps because those worked a lot better with their TTS software, like MUDs instead of MMORPGS, IRC, and suchlike, but the Start Menu worked well with the TTS. |
| 05:55.37 | dwu | (well enough, I guess) |
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| 05:59.56 | dwu | Good lord, another 4 hours of work. |
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| 06:00.31 | cast | i should be doing some form of work...as it is its almost 4pm and i haven't work out breakfast yet |
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| 06:02.15 | dwu | Yow, what is it with people and the fruit-throwing? o.O |
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| 06:03.30 | Caelum | the best thing to throw are watermelons...but are those a fruit or a vegetable? |
| 06:03.41 | dwu | fruit. |
| 06:03.57 | dwu | Caelum. Huh. Oh, you're a #perler too! |
| 06:04.05 | Caelum | :) |
| 06:04.34 | cast | that sounds like some deviant sexual act IMHO |
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| 06:04.51 | dwu | Well, considering #perl, you wouldn't be far off. |
| 06:05.18 | cast | you know, ive forgotten what a lemon looks like and this yellowy orange is starting to make me doubt its orangeness |
| 06:05.56 | dondelelcaro | if it's got pointy ends, it's a lemon |
| 06:06.04 | dondelelcaro | if not, it's probably not |
| 06:06.11 | dwu | It -could- also be a grapefruit. |
| 06:06.18 | dwu | Which can be yellowy. |
| 06:06.37 | dondelelcaro | usually bigger than oranges, though |
| 06:06.47 | dwu | http://k43.pbase.com/u35/jwalk/large/23396335.grapefruit.jpg # see? |
| 06:07.20 | dwu | But lemons and oranges smell diff'rent anyways :) |
| 06:07.39 | dondelelcaro | yeah... the rind is a dead giveaway |
| 06:08.04 | dwu | Oooh, round lemon! http://www.96seven44.com/images/meyer_lemon.jpg |
| 06:08.17 | dwu | That's almost unrealistically round o.O |
| 06:08.51 | dwu | ... right. WORK. No more looking at lemons. |
| 06:09.34 | Caelum | :( |
| 06:09.42 | dwu | sowwy |
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| 06:10.43 | cast | damn. that is round |
| 06:10.47 | dwu | I know! |
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| 06:13.44 | dvs01 | nite all |
| 06:14.32 | cast | anight |
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| 06:16.05 | slocate | hello |
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| 06:17.36 | keith | oh man, it got late |
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| 06:19.42 | Nitrogen | anyone from the UK |
| 06:19.48 | Nitrogen | 07983534514 - prank this number |
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| 06:20.03 | OminousZ | ... *facedesk* |
| 06:20.22 | dalias | what is it? |
| 06:20.30 | dalias | <-- not uk |
| 06:20.45 | OminousZ | not going to call it, but I sure wish I could gline that guy/gal |
| 06:21.39 | bullgard4 | What does stand 'hci' for in the command 'hcitool'? Is it 'host controller interface'? |
| 06:23.28 | dwu | OminousZ: What, nitro? |
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| 06:26.25 | david-work | Note that the service name used to start PAM is __progname, |
| 06:26.25 | david-work | which is the basename of the path of your sshd (e.g., the service name |
| 06:26.27 | david-work | for /usr/sbin/osshd will be osshd). |
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| 06:27.15 | david-work | So I renamed sshd to rsa and for some reason it still uses /etc/pam.d/ssh I need to make it use /etc/pam.d/rsa. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 06:28.12 | david-work | Yes I restarted ssh, But the first 3 lines I posted was from sshd man INSTALL file. It would seem that it is in correct |
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| 06:32.16 | levander | Is there a command to determine what video driver X is currently using? |
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| 06:35.16 | tremb1 | levander: glxinfo tells you near the top what's in charge of 3d... other than that i'm not sure. you could check yourg /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf was successfully loaded or not |
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| 06:36.18 | levander | tremb1: thanks, that's what i was looking for it looks like |
| 06:36.32 | tremb1 | no problem |
| 06:36.54 | tvmanukrishna1 | need help to configure GPRS modem... |
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| 07:25.45 | Duzchip | Why doesn't import exist in debian? |
| 07:25.51 | Duzchip | thought that was a standardcommand |
| 07:26.12 | dondelelcaro | Duzchip: uh... it does |
| 07:26.34 | dondelelcaro | Duzchip: aptitude install imagemagick |
| 07:27.14 | Duzchip | whats apptitude? a new apt-get -system or what? (i'm a slackware user so i'm not used to debian) |
| 07:27.30 | dondelelcaro | Duzchip: it's the recommended libapt frontend. |
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| 07:31.02 | Duzchip | I'm getting a segmentation-fault |
| 07:31.11 | Duzchip | i run : aptitude install imagemagick |
| 07:31.25 | Duzchip | it asks me if i wanna install the packages so i type in "Y" and press enter |
| 07:31.33 | Duzchip | and the same question comes up again, over and over again |
| 07:31.38 | Duzchip | then i type "?" and enter |
| 07:31.45 | Duzchip | and it says "Segmentationfault" |
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| 07:32.21 | dwu | Hrm, did you dist-upgrade recently? |
| 07:33.08 | dwu | eh, nevermind, different thing. |
| 07:33.51 | dondelelcaro | Duzchip: there's a bug for ? segfaulting, but y should just work. if not, you can use apt-get. |
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| 07:39.47 | bullgard4 | force: I did lspic -vv in the past. What string should I grep the output for? |
| 07:40.06 | bullgard4 | lspci |
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| 07:48.56 | Caelum | how come display -window root foo.jpg doesn't work? |
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| 07:51.23 | Crissi2 | hello |
| 07:51.34 | Crissi2 | i'm running lenny and now i got a problem: |
| 07:51.36 | Crissi2 | collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] |
| 07:51.46 | Crissi2 | if i try to compile something |
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| 07:52.44 | RudyValencia | hello |
| 07:53.12 | RudyValencia | i have a computer whose BIOS doesn't support 48-bit LBA, and I installed a 200GB hard drive in it. |
| 07:53.34 | RudyValencia | The BIOS only reports that it's a 137GB hard disk |
| 07:54.02 | Caelum | RudyValencia: I think linux doesn't really care what the bios reports |
| 07:54.13 | RudyValencia | Debian sees all 200GB and installs without error. However, GRUB displays "Error 18" at boot. |
| 07:54.21 | RudyValencia | what can I do? |
| 07:54.37 | RudyValencia | (I had to boot into an Ubuntu live CD to get here) |
| 07:55.08 | alan | RudyValencia: did you try adding the drive geometry as a boot parameter? |
| 07:55.26 | RudyValencia | I can't do anything in GRUB |
| 07:55.31 | RudyValencia | it halts with "Error 18". |
| 07:55.51 | alan | RudyValencia: modify grub w/ rescue cd? |
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| 07:56.05 | RudyValencia | how do I find out the drive's geometry? |
| 07:56.26 | alan | RudyValencia: should be on the drive's external sticker. |
| 07:56.43 | RudyValencia | hm, gotta open up the computer then. |
| 07:57.25 | alan | How many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None. That's a HW problem. |
| 07:57.35 | alan | 8) |
| 07:57.41 | RudyValencia | I can't see the drive |
| 07:57.50 | RudyValencia | the drive's sticker, rather. |
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| 07:58.04 | xingu | RudyValencia: if you can't update the bios, you probably need /boot to live before cyl 1024. |
| 07:58.09 | RudyValencia | hm |
| 07:58.31 | RudyValencia | I could set up the main filesystem in 10GB and put all my data files after taht |
| 07:58.35 | RudyValencia | *after that |
| 07:58.42 | xingu | RudyValencia: grub obviously has to use bios service to load stage1 etc. |
| 07:58.48 | RudyValencia | probably about all I can do |
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| 07:58.52 | RudyValencia | ok |
| 07:59.00 | xingu | RudyValencia: it's only /boot that matters here |
| 07:59.07 | RudyValencia | oh? |
| 07:59.27 | xingu | RudyValencia: after the handoff to the kernel, the bios is no longer an issue - and clearly the controller and disk are lba-happy. |
| 07:59.31 | RudyValencia | how big does /boot get? |
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| 08:00.02 | sSiroSoriSs | !!!!!!!miguel wanted to marter. mcfarlane wanted to massacre!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:00.06 | xingu | RudyValencia: mine's sitting on 26MB on amd64; allow 100mb? |
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| 08:00.12 | RudyValencia | would 200MB be big enough for /boot ? |
| 08:00.16 | xingu | RudyValencia: but really, if there's a bios update, go git |
| 08:00.19 | cast | RudyValencia: fuck yes |
| 08:00.21 | RudyValencia | there isn't |
| 08:00.24 | xingu | RudyValencia: your bios is probably acpi-ly broken |
| 08:00.29 | RudyValencia | it's an IBM PC 300PL |
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| 08:00.42 | RudyValencia | from about 1999 |
| 08:00.48 | cast | 32M /boot/ - with 3 kernels installed |
| 08:00.49 | xingu | fair do |
| 08:01.08 | RudyValencia | I guess I should do 200MB |
| 08:01.17 | xingu | RudyValencia: that's huge, for /boot |
| 08:01.26 | RudyValencia | OK |
| 08:01.28 | cast | because you plan on having...20 kernels installed? |
| 08:01.29 | xingu | RudyValencia: doubt you'll hit 128MB... |
| 08:01.42 | RudyValencia | 100MB then |
| 08:01.44 | cast | can grub boot lvm? |
| 08:02.02 | xingu | cast: not for stripe iirc |
| 08:02.05 | cast | +from |
| 08:02.21 | RudyValencia | 100MB boot, big / then a 1GB swap |
| 08:02.23 | xingu | cast: simple mirros, should be fine (raid3/5 are obviously stripe too) |
| 08:02.24 | stew | cast: grub can't have /boot on lvm, lilo can |
| 08:02.25 | cast | RudyValencia: lvm is a good idea IMHO |
| 08:02.31 | sSiroSoriSs | !!!!!!!miguel wanted to marter. mcfarlane wanted to massacre!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:02.37 | RudyValencia | I don't know anything about LVM |
| 08:02.50 | cast | RudyValencia: it makes resizing things/ allocating space later easy |
| 08:02.50 | stew | sSiroSoriSs: plase keep it on-topic |
| 08:02.51 | RudyValencia | just the old MBR |
| 08:03.11 | RudyValencia | thanks |
| 08:03.36 | RudyValencia | I'll reboot and try it with a 100MB /boot |
| 08:04.10 | cast | say you had a 20gb drive, you'd partition maybe 10gb to /home, 4gb to /, then later on when one starts to run out of space you can just expand one [without unmounting] to take up the slack space, or install a newdrive and expand / or /home to use up the new drive...etc...tis very flexable |
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| 08:09.51 | sSiroSoriSs | !!!!!!!miguel wanted to marter. mcfarlane wanted to massacre!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 08:10.40 | dwu | <3 |
| 08:10.50 | ameyer | freaking bot |
| 08:11.06 | Supaplex | and i was all ready to /ignore annoyance |
| 08:11.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | mcfarlane? |
| 08:12.05 | ameyer | miguel? |
| 08:12.17 | ameyer | marter? |
| 08:12.18 | xingu | "martyr", too. |
| 08:12.49 | Zaurus | can I install debian on Pocket PC? |
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| 08:17.28 | cast | probably, you can install debian on a lot of things :D |
| 08:17.54 | cast | go have a look at the ports section of debian.org and see if whatever arch that is is supported |
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| 08:18.36 | Ira | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.49 | Ira | приветик вÑем! |
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| 08:19.51 | cast | are you ok Ira |
| 08:19.59 | Ira | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.38 | Ira | cast привет |
| 08:21.19 | DawnLight | ya nie panimayesh prusky |
| 08:21.35 | Ira | жаль |
| 08:21.45 | DawnLight | !ru |
| 08:21.45 | dpkg | it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 08:22.59 | Ira | ладненька Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ÑˆÐ»Ð° вÑем пока и удачи!))) |
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| 08:23.37 | Zaurus | somebody tell me how to write the booloader of Pocket PC, WM5 |
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| 08:24.42 | epsilon | strange, I added java plungin in .mozilla/plugins folder like always... but instead a java applet I see a blank field in browser (no further error?) |
| 08:24.50 | epsilon | what can be the reason... |
| 08:24.59 | cast | !tell Zaurus how to write a bootloader |
| 08:25.08 | xtor | Does anyone want to rent me a LAMP server for two days? |
| 08:25.21 | DawnLight | !java |
| 08:25.22 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 08:25.36 | Zaurus | cast, I want a debian on my Pocket PC, but the problem is how to write the bootloader |
| 08:25.38 | cast | xtor: eh, is that to host a drupal site with HDTV clips on it thats going to get slashdotted tomorrow? |
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| 08:26.03 | xtor | cast no its to host a web proxy until my new dedi is ready |
| 08:26.10 | xtor | that rhymed "dedi is redi" |
| 08:26.28 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:27.07 | Supaplex | xtor: no ssh -fD or -fL or -fR ? |
| 08:27.32 | xtor | yeah I need ssh, php, apache |
| 08:27.35 | xtor | and curl |
| 08:27.42 | epsilon | ahh, a lib was missing |
| 08:27.46 | Supaplex | why php or curl to run a proxy? |
| 08:27.52 | xtor | indeed |
| 08:27.59 | xtor | oh why? cuz thats the script I got |
| 08:28.03 | xtor | it needs curl and php |
| 08:28.13 | dwu | hrm. |
| 08:28.19 | xtor | I could sorta go for a VPS right now..are there any VPS places that give em out instantly? |
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| 08:28.27 | xtor | like "LAMP boxes to go" |
| 08:28.29 | dwu | http://whitefyre.com/poxy/ ? |
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| 08:28.42 | xtor | dwu its a modded version of that, yes |
| 08:28.48 | dwu | right. |
| 08:29.50 | cast | xtor: linode has pretty fast service |
| 08:29.59 | xtor | 24 hour fast? |
| 08:30.13 | xtor | how fast are we talking about here...do they put up any red tape? |
| 08:30.18 | cast | yeah, go ask in the linode chan on OFTC and see if an admins awake |
| 08:30.24 | cast | mine was done in hours |
| 08:30.38 | dwu | ... huh, no wonder #debian's quiet, it's MOVED to OFTC, hasn't it... |
| 08:31.07 | cast | the only red tape might be cc verification, eg: scan of card/id - or a phone call, not sure if they did any of that with me |
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| 08:31.59 | xtor | but do they rent em by the day? |
| 08:32.01 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 08:32.13 | lkthomas | is there have any program which could shows my company logo ? |
| 08:32.52 | DawnLight | !tell lkthomas about smart questions |
| 08:33.18 | xingu | neat, http://askwiki.com/AskWiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 08:33.32 | lkthomas | I want to use linux to shows my company logo, looks like screensaver |
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| 08:34.11 | cast | xtor: the month. amazon has a VPS type service thatll charge you by the hour..btw, haven't used it myself so dunno limitations :> |
| 08:34.26 | PetoKraus | hello, http://slavka.valec.net/pk/sshtunnel.gif -> i'd need to set up something like this, any help? |
| 08:34.38 | xtor | cast is that the elastic-matrix or whatever? |
| 08:34.49 | DawnLight | lkthomas: is debian installed? |
| 08:34.57 | lkthomas | of course |
| 08:35.10 | lkthomas | I just want to shows company logo on screen, nothing else |
| 08:35.22 | DawnLight | is a desktop environment installed? |
| 08:35.22 | cast | xtor: elastic cloud they call it or some such, but yeah, its just a big xen deployment using S3 for storage |
| 08:35.46 | lkthomas | DawnLight: you don't have to install GUI, IF the program support framebuffer |
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| 08:36.14 | epsilon | show the logo where? |
| 08:36.20 | lkthomas | screen |
| 08:36.34 | epsilon | background of gnome/KDE something? |
| 08:36.59 | lkthomas | possible, but I want a low resource solution |
| 08:37.04 | cast | PetoKraus: google for ssh vpn, but going over udp is a bit preferable - you might want to try openvpn |
| 08:37.25 | PetoKraus | ok |
| 08:37.53 | epsilon | lkthomas: just edit a picture with whatever logo you want and tell the desktop to use it as background |
| 08:38.07 | lkthomas | heh, no framebuffer solution ? |
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| 08:38.11 | triplc | hi all |
| 08:38.27 | dwu | How the heck is a background high-resource? :/ |
| 08:38.36 | xingu | lkthomas: zgv |
| 08:38.47 | lkthomas | dwu, you don't get it |
| 08:38.57 | lkthomas | dwu: background require desktop GUI |
| 08:39.02 | lkthomas | framebuffer run on console |
| 08:39.17 | lkthomas | independent with any program at all |
| 08:39.22 | xingu | lkthomas: splashy, if you want it in early boot |
| 08:39.28 | xingu | lkthomas: or zgv |
| 08:39.48 | dwu | lkthomas: Yeah, sorry, I thought you had a machine powerful enough to handle running twm with a background. My bad. |
| 08:39.57 | triplc | how to "bring back" a background lftp session? i run a lftp and have a queue, then after pressing control-d, the program automatically goes to background (nohup ?). it's quite nice... but i do not know how to "bring it back" to continue the work later on. |
| 08:40.23 | lkthomas | xingu: does zgv run on console ? |
| 08:40.24 | keith | fg? |
| 08:41.12 | cast | dwu: clearly you haven't used e17! |
| 08:41.14 | triplc | keith, does fg work? i think fg work only with process that i can see with command "jobs"... but background lftp does not seen by "jobs" |
| 08:41.17 | xingu | lkthomas: the package description would appear to indicate that, yes |
| 08:41.20 | kwadronaut | lkthomas: why don't you use grub with a splasimage? |
| 08:41.33 | kwadronaut | lkthomas: so you don't even need a hd |
| 08:41.34 | keith | triplc: it daemonizes? |
| 08:41.45 | keith | you might be able to reconnect to it, read the man page for lftp |
| 08:41.46 | lkthomas | kwadronaut: splashimage only shows on boot screen, I want it to stay there forever |
| 08:42.02 | xingu | dwu: no need for a wm, just start the display server running xli or whatever. |
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| 08:42.23 | keith | lkthomas: is this some sort of quiz, or do you actually want help? |
| 08:42.25 | kwadronaut | fbida lkthomas |
| 08:42.26 | Zaurus | how to change the font of firefox? |
| 08:42.43 | Zaurus | I mean the menu font ... |
| 08:42.59 | xingu | what he wants is zgv but it's lots of fun watching him flounder about until he realises this :) |
| 08:43.16 | lkthomas | keith: answer it or leave it, I am looking for something that I don't know, that's why I am asking |
| 08:43.21 | triplc | keith, i run lftp, queue, the ctrl-d, then logout, then, login again,,, and i do not know how to continue with that backgroup process |
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| 08:43.35 | dwu | xingu: Thank you. |
| 08:43.41 | dwu | cast: oh gods e |
| 08:43.45 | lkthomas | xingu: will try zgv, thanks |
| 08:43.59 | Zaurus | how tp change the font of firefox? |
| 08:44.00 | kwadronaut | lkthomas: you might as well have started asking your questions with all the stuff you already had in mind. have you tried fbi (from fbida?). |
| 08:44.01 | triplc | keith, i read the man page, it only says that lftp is "nohup", not "daemonized" |
| 08:44.03 | dwu | cast: Actually, by choice I was a Fluxbox user. was. operative. |
| 08:44.16 | triplc | man page does not tell how to bring it back |
| 08:44.21 | lkthomas | kwadronaut: no, never heard about that |
| 08:44.21 | cast | dwu: but you are now a...? |
| 08:44.36 | lkthomas | kwadronaut: sorry I missed your answer, fbi is the full name ? |
| 08:44.50 | lkthomas | oh cool |
| 08:44.51 | lkthomas | wait |
| 08:44.56 | lkthomas | fbi seems great |
| 08:45.11 | triplc | keith, i read "man nohup" too, but cannot figure out how to do it |
| 08:45.14 | dwu | cast: ssh into linux box from OS X laptop. |
| 08:45.25 | dwu | cast: server no longer runs X. |
| 08:46.02 | kwadronaut | so do i now get a job at your company? :-P |
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| 08:46.27 | lkthomas | kwadronaut: sure, reception ? |
| 08:46.53 | dwu | Gratitude for you, kwadronaut ;) |
| 08:47.15 | kwadronaut | hehehe |
| 08:47.46 | keith | triplc: try 'screen' |
| 08:48.07 | triplc | keith, yeah... screen is good |
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| 08:49.28 | DawnLight | i've here a thinkpad which seems to not start the bios |
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| 08:50.07 | xingu | DawnLight: our t2x's have been dropping like flies this year, exactly that symptom |
| 08:50.22 | xingu | DawnLight: fail to post on 1st power on, then eventually, fail to post a tall |
| 08:50.30 | xingu | DawnLight: literally 100's skipped since jan. |
| 08:50.40 | xingu | s/a tall/at all/ |
| 08:50.48 | DawnLight | xingu: its a t30. damn. any leads? |
| 08:51.48 | DawnLight | xingu: pehaps a self destruct mechanism? |
| 08:51.48 | xingu | DawnLight: not really, they're all fully written down book-value wise anyway, makes it easy to expense replacements - nice shiny new nc6430 or something for me, t7200/ 2GB, zoom. :) |
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| 08:52.50 | xingu | DawnLight: hdd is usually salvageable, but for our 1999-2001 vintage t2x's, it looks like something going bang - capacitor? cmos chip? who knows, not worth diagnosing. |
| 08:53.54 | xingu | DawnLight: they've all got completely fubar batteries by that point too, won't hold a charge for love or money |
| 08:54.12 | DawnLight | windows schedueler did it >:( |
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| 08:55.01 | DawnLight | xingu: i'm putting my finger on this capacitor and it's burning my finget |
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| 08:57.29 | xingu | DawnLight: oh the screens are usually worth salvaging too, specifically the backlights cause they start to go bang too |
| 08:57.37 | xingu | backlight invertor thingo |
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| 08:58.27 | DawnLight | how hot should a capacitor get? |
| 08:59.50 | DawnLight | damn, the video chip is too hot for sure |
| 09:00.03 | DawnLight | can't leave the finger on it |
| 09:00.06 | xingu | gut says - not at all; that's a resistor/ transistor/ diode's job. |
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| 09:05.26 | axscode | hi, i wonder how to make function or code block call for /bin/sh script? |
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| 09:10.18 | xingu | axscode: function () { ... } |
| 09:10.34 | xingu | axscode: see "help function"; args are passed in as $0 .. $n |
| 09:10.59 | xingu | axscode: function name () { ... } rather |
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| 09:13.13 | axscode | yeah xingu.. i just foud out.. |
| 09:13.23 | axscode | xingu: one more.. i want to do this.. find * | |
| 09:13.59 | axscode | xingu: one more.. i want to do this.. find * | file WHATS-THE-PARAMETER <-- i want to check the type of file of each file. |
| 09:14.26 | valdyn | read the manual? |
| 09:14.41 | axscode | nope.. file filename |
| 09:14.50 | axscode | but all the file in the directory/subdirectory |
| 09:14.50 | Supaplex | find . -print0 | xargs -0 file |
| 09:14.55 | xingu | axscode: find /path -print0 | xargs -0 file | ... |
| 09:14.55 | DawnLight | the video chip on a lappy is very hot. is it possible to diagnose whats defective? |
| 09:15.09 | dalias | find . -exec file '{}' + |
| 09:15.22 | valdyn | DawnLight: why would you think that anything is defective? |
| 09:15.39 | DawnLight | valdyn: it won't start the bios |
| 09:15.46 | dalias | xingu, do not use function! |
| 09:15.54 | dalias | the correct way to declare a function in a shell script is: |
| 09:16.01 | dalias | name () compound_statement_here |
| 09:16.06 | DawnLight | and the video card is too hot to be normal |
| 09:16.11 | dalias | where { ... } is a good compound statement |
| 09:16.24 | DawnLight | valdyn: i can't leave my finger on it |
| 09:16.25 | dalias | 'function' is a stupid bashism that even the bash folks consider deprecated |
| 09:16.49 | alan | is there a sparc specific debian channel? |
| 09:16.53 | xingu | dalias: I knew it was one or the other ;) |
| 09:16.55 | dalias | axscode, see what i just said to xingu |
| 09:16.57 | Supaplex | !sparc |
| 09:16.57 | dpkg | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 09:17.09 | valdyn | DawnLight: you are touching a chip when its operating? wth |
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| 09:17.22 | valdyn | DawnLight: you are _trying_ to break it |
| 09:17.23 | dalias | valdyn, nothing wrong with that... |
| 09:17.33 | dalias | i've replaced a bios flash chip while it's operating... |
| 09:17.34 | valdyn | dalias: umm |
| 09:17.40 | xingu | dalias: if it's deprecaded they should probably note that, in the help text and manpage ;) |
| 09:17.52 | Supaplex | patches welcome |
| 09:17.58 | dwu | \o/ |
| 09:18.04 | dalias | xingu, indeed.. |
| 09:18.04 | valdyn | dalias: that is hardly a point, that you have done it |
| 09:18.04 | Dieterbe | Hi, after aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 it is still listed in dpkg -L with status "pc", what does this mean? and how can i completely get rid of it? |
| 09:18.04 | DawnLight | valdyn: whats wrong with touching the chip on it's back when it's operating? |
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| 09:18.16 | alan | heh. debian-sparc ==> *crickets* |
| 09:18.16 | dalias | valdyn, well just _touching_ a chip seems a lot less risky :) |
| 09:18.33 | Supaplex | DawnLight: what's the header row say? do you mean dpkg -l? -L is different. |
| 09:18.39 | valdyn | DawnLight: static electricity |
| 09:18.40 | axscode | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.43 | dwu | Bloody surprise, alan ;) |
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| 09:18.59 | dalias | axscode, find /path -exec ls -al '{}' + |
| 09:19.08 | dalias | is a lot simpler and it's standard |
| 09:19.16 | dalias | unlike -print0 and -0 |
| 09:19.21 | Dieterbe | indeed. i meant -l not -L. this is what it returns: pc mysql-server-5.0 5.0.32-7etch1 mysql database server binaries |
| 09:19.24 | axscode | dalias: i want to show FILE and LS of it |
| 09:19.32 | dalias | oh |
| 09:19.40 | dalias | well then your command line isn't valid |
| 09:19.42 | axscode | permission actually is what i need |
| 09:19.50 | axscode | yeah i tried dont work |
| 09:19.58 | DawnLight | valdyn: i've never seen anything happen to a chip when touched while operating but i'll investigate further, thanks. anyway, can the reason it's being too hot be diagnosed? |
| 09:19.58 | dwu | OK, file and ls are not acronyms :/ |
| 09:20.06 | dalias | see if you can get find to print the filename and its permission and also exec file on it |
| 09:20.19 | axscode | yeah |
| 09:20.21 | dalias | i dunno if find will print the permissions but i think it can |
| 09:20.22 | dwu | DawnLight: How do you know it's too hot? |
| 09:20.23 | axscode | that would be good |
| 09:20.29 | dalias | something like |
| 09:20.30 | Supaplex | axscode: if you can't define the issue, we sure as %*@$( won't be able to address it. |
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| 09:20.36 | valdyn | DawnLight: not really, but you don't even know if its too hot |
| 09:20.41 | dalias | find /path -ls -exec file '{}' ';' |
| 09:20.51 | dwu | What valdyn said - it could be running just right. |
| 09:20.59 | valdyn | DawnLight: you just seem to know that its to hot to keep your finger on it, that'S nothing unusual |
| 09:21.21 | dalias | might be able to do multiple -exec's if that doesn |
| 09:21.36 | dalias | t work |
| 09:21.42 | axscode | woops |
| 09:22.04 | DawnLight | valdyn: it gets this hot in a few seconds in a laptop. that, i assume, is defective, wouln't you agree |
| 09:22.57 | axscode | this is good.. but.. it shows the uid/gid also.. size.. hehehe... i only want perm filename file-type |
| 09:23.06 | axscode | sorry im too much.. hehe |
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| 09:24.32 | dwu | DawnLight: Not really, chips tend to run hot. *shrug* Unless you're looking at Fahrenheit or Celsius, and the manual says it shouldnt' go this hot... |
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| 09:24.52 | valdyn | DawnLight: wtf am i supposed to know if your finger-felt heat is ok for a gfx chip and a laptop i know nothing about |
| 09:25.01 | valdyn | DawnLight: the fact alone means nothing |
| 09:25.03 | ameyer | laptops get hot |
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| 09:25.11 | dwu | Heh, now valdyn's all violent, fun :D |
| 09:25.17 | dalias | :) |
| 09:25.23 | ameyer | this laptop's 7 years old and fine |
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| 09:25.33 | dwu | ameyer: Runs hot though, I bet ;) |
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| 09:25.36 | ameyer | and it gets pretty damn hot |
| 09:25.46 | ameyer | to the touch |
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| 09:26.09 | ameyer | I can get the processor up to about 70f if I try |
| 09:26.26 | xingu | axscode: write some shellcode to take one command line arg and produce the output required; then call it, from ... -exec '{}' ';' (or, if you don't mind getting up dalias' nose, and your workload lends itself, write the nested script to iterate *all* its args, and use -print0 | xargs -0) |
| 09:26.28 | dwu | That's... what, about 40-60 C? |
| 09:26.32 | ameyer | s/70f/70c/ |
| 09:26.37 | dwu | ameyer: Yow :) |
| 09:26.46 | ameyer | dwu: 70f's actually like 20C |
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| 09:27.00 | DawnLight | so i should just give up on this? |
| 09:27.02 | dwu | ameyer: Hrm. My scales are off. |
| 09:27.05 | valdyn | duh, root temperature |
| 09:27.07 | dwu | DawnLight: Yes. Really. |
| 09:27.09 | valdyn | duh, room temperature |
| 09:27.19 | dwu | valdyn: I don't even use F :/ |
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| 09:27.31 | ameyer | dwu: Intel says the maximum temperature is 75f for this specific processor, I think |
| 09:27.44 | valdyn | maybe 75C |
| 09:27.44 | Supaplex | DawnLight: what make/model of laptop? |
| 09:27.49 | dalias | wtf |
| 09:27.54 | mooper | hi does anyone know where I can get ssh help? |
| 09:27.55 | dalias | max temp 75f? |
| 09:27.59 | dalias | what are you smoking? |
| 09:28.00 | ameyer | it's actually not overheating, but it gets too hot |
| 09:28.01 | valdyn | but even that is low for a cpu max temp |
| 09:28.02 | Supaplex | !tell mooper -about ask |
| 09:28.06 | dalias | usually room temp is above that |
| 09:28.14 | dalias | maybe you mean max temp 70°C |
| 09:28.17 | dalias | that's more likely |
| 09:28.19 | mooper | Supaplex: no I mean a specific ssh room |
| 09:28.22 | ameyer | dalias: it's called a late-night brain fart |
| 09:28.25 | dwu | ameyer: ah :) |
| 09:28.39 | dalias | erm 75 :) |
| 09:28.46 | ameyer | dalias: yeah, everything would be in C |
| 09:28.47 | ameyer | not F |
| 09:28.51 | Supaplex | mooper: try /list *ssh* |
| 09:28.54 | dalias | k |
| 09:28.57 | mooper | http://rafb.net/p/OhGyDB40.html - why is my ssh doing this? |
| 09:29.01 | dwu | !room |
| 09:29.01 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 09:29.03 | mooper | mooper: try /list *ssh* |
| 09:29.04 | dwu | Thankyou. |
| 09:29.15 | dalias | dwu, ahaha |
| 09:30.04 | DawnLight | Supaplex: thinkpad t30 |
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| 09:30.13 | Supaplex | mooper: because #ubuntu knows. Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1 |
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| 09:31.04 | mooper | Supaplex: no one knows jack in ubuntu, and Im trying to connect to a debian box |
| 09:31.07 | mooper | :D |
| 09:31.30 | DawnLight | mooper: use debian |
| 09:31.58 | mooper | DawnLight: I'm going to, just trying to work up the enthusiam |
| 09:32.11 | mooper | to reinstall |
| 09:32.47 | Supaplex | mooper: what happens when you ssh from the debian box the same way? |
| 09:32.51 | DawnLight | mooper: woooooohoooooooooo |
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| 09:33.30 | mooper | hang on, I have a debian VM |
| 09:33.31 | robboplus_ | is there a smart method of disabling access.log in apache2? |
| 09:33.54 | Supaplex | robboplus_: edit the config? |
| 09:34.05 | robboplus_ | Supaplex no such option.. |
| 09:34.17 | mooper | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.28 | mooper | ask your sysadmin |
| 09:34.36 | robboplus_ | mooper i really can't find the official method of disabling logging in apache |
| 09:34.47 | Supaplex | robboplus_: I and grep beg to differ. grep -ril access.log /etc/apache2/ |
| 09:34.55 | robboplus_ | or do i just comment out the path? |
| 09:35.04 | Supaplex | comment out the directive |
| 09:35.18 | robboplus_ | i know there is a directive that defines the path to access.log |
| 09:35.22 | mooper | /etc/apache2/sites-available/blah |
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| 09:35.26 | Supaplex | CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined |
| 09:35.28 | robboplus_ | but nothing like logging=1 or something |
| 09:35.28 | Supaplex | #CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined |
| 09:35.34 | robboplus_ | so that's it |
| 09:35.35 | mooper | take about the bit for logging |
| 09:35.43 | robboplus_ | i just comment it out and that means no log |
| 09:35.51 | Supaplex | you got it |
| 09:35.58 | Supaplex | ask again, you'll get the same answer |
| 09:36.00 | robboplus_ | well now it seems simple but takes a while to figure.. |
| 09:36.08 | robboplus_ | many thanks dudes |
| 09:36.14 | Supaplex | and restart apache :) |
| 09:36.24 | robboplus_ | yesyes sir :) |
| 09:36.59 | Supaplex | why would you want to disable access.log anyway? |
| 09:37.08 | robboplus_ | i really don't need it |
| 09:37.16 | robboplus_ | and it's a big flood in there |
| 09:37.32 | robboplus_ | as usual when you run a forum with 10k+ users :) |
| 09:37.39 | dwu | robboplus_: logrotate, etc. |
| 09:37.39 | Supaplex | ahh ok. |
| 09:37.54 | Supaplex | yeah, rotate daily, delete stuff older than x days. |
| 09:38.00 | robboplus_ | dwu yes but still that's 100s of megs per day, hdd is working like crazy, etc. |
| 09:38.09 | Supaplex | if you don't log it, you'll never beable to backpedal. |
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| 09:38.22 | osl | How can i force my DHCP to assign a static IP to a certain host ? ?? |
| 09:38.25 | Supaplex | 100s of megs isn't that big of a deal imo. |
| 09:38.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | i should look into a ricer filesystem for my maildir, takes 10-15 minutes to move ~10,000 emails over imap on loopback |
| 09:38.34 | dwu | robboplus_: Look, if you can't afford a couple hundred megs a day, you shouldn't be running a forum. QED. |
| 09:38.39 | robboplus_ | i know it's bad but still... i really don't need to log every single query and forum generates like a ton for every single step of every user |
| 09:38.56 | Supaplex | !ricer |
| 09:38.56 | dpkg | well, ricer is at gentoo |
| 09:39.03 | Supaplex | !riser |
| 09:39.05 | Supaplex | !riserfs |
| 09:39.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, riserfs is a journalling file system that is scheduled for its mainstream kernel debut in 2.4.1 according to Linus. More information can be found at http://www.namesys.com/ |
| 09:39.17 | robboplus_ | dwu my forum is protected with other tools |
| 09:39.21 | Supaplex | !+listvals gurulabs.com |
| 09:39.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gurulabs.com' by value (1): ext3 vs reiserfs. |
| 09:39.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | how old is that factoid o_0 |
| 09:39.25 | valdyn | reiserfs isnt really great for maildir.. |
| 09:39.26 | cast | wtf? |
| 09:39.33 | Supaplex | !ext3 vs reiserfs |
| 09:39.33 | dpkg | from memory, ext3 vs reiserfs is http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php |
| 09:39.40 | dwu | robboplus_: My point still stands. Sorry. |
| 09:39.49 | robboplus_ | dwu i read you. |
| 09:40.08 | valdyn | actually i find reiserfs obsolete, but that is just me |
| 09:40.08 | robboplus_ | dwu and mine is that my hdd is getting hot because of the extreme logging when 200+ users read forums at the same moment... |
| 09:40.11 | dwu | robboplus_: No matter what you're doing, running forums/servers/etc. demand that you give up that couple hundred megs, etc. |
| 09:40.30 | dwu | robboplus_: Time for an upgrade. Sorry; forum-specific hardware. Whatever :) |
| 09:40.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, superceded by something? |
| 09:40.39 | Supaplex | dpkg: no riserfs <reply> Did you mean <reiserfs>? |
| 09:40.44 | Supaplex | dpkg: no riserfs is <reply> Did you mean <reiserfs>? |
| 09:40.45 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 09:40.46 | robboplus_ | dwu mind you... dual SATA system |
| 09:41.01 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: xfs is nice and excellently supported, ext3 is nice and best supported |
| 09:41.04 | robboplus_ | dwu i just hate tons of junk that i never look into |
| 09:41.09 | dwu | robboplus_: *shrug* If you system isn't keeping up with demands, it means it's time to upgrade, no matter what the current system -is-. |
| 09:41.18 | dwu | And a couple hundred megs should be piss-easy for you to handle. |
| 09:41.18 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: reiserfs isnt particularily fast or anything, it just saves some space |
| 09:41.26 | robboplus_ | dwu how do you dare to judge on my hardware? |
| 09:41.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, currently everythings on ext3. i'm thinking bout a seperate partition just for the maildir (not even sure its worth it, just had the random thought) |
| 09:41.38 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: its slow for small files too. |
| 09:41.41 | robboplus_ | dwu is this me or you who is running the forums for nearly 2 years now? |
| 09:41.49 | Supaplex | robboplus_: oh and mysql is dead idle all this time? get some better fans? use a seperate box for dbms? |
| 09:41.53 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: i would have a look at ext3 options, there's some |
| 09:41.56 | robboplus_ | dwu i explained my point. thank you anyway. |
| 09:42.01 | dwu | robboplus_: I'm not -judging- your hardware, but -you're- the one saying that your hardware's getting hot/churning/etc. |
| 09:42.12 | robboplus_ | Supaplex binlog in mysql is disabled as well ;) |
| 09:42.16 | dwu | This means that your hardware isn't keeping up, don't get fucking offended, it's not you I'm insulting. |
| 09:42.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, ok. i have to realocate some space (cut roots allocation to 1% etc), so i'll investigate tuning :) |
| 09:42.34 | dwu | It's called growth. Get used to it. |
| 09:42.34 | robboplus_ | dwu man do you know how much traffic vB generates? |
| 09:42.50 | dwu | robboplus_: man I don't, but if it's beating up your hardware, deal with it. |
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| 09:42.53 | robboplus_ | dwu do you find sensible to keep 1000s of lines that i will never watch because there is simply no point of that? |
| 09:43.20 | dwu | Which is why I fucking -said- logrotate! get rid of -old- logs, keep the last -day-, I didn't say you had to keep everything., |
| 09:43.21 | robboplus_ | dwu it is not fucking beating up my hw... can you please stop putting words in my mouth? |
| 09:43.24 | valdyn | Kamping_Kaiser: i used to use reiserfs and even reiser4 for this, to save space ( and reiser4 is actually very fast too), but both aren't really recommendable for this, now i don't use either |
| 09:43.32 | dwu | robboplus_: Eh, whatever. Your HDD can burn for all I care. |
| 09:43.59 | Supaplex | do i need to call a wahhhhmbulance? ;) |
| 09:44.08 | Supaplex | jk! |
| 09:44.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 09:44.28 | robboplus_ | Supaplex of course not, the dude just thought that i run 10k+ users forum on WD Caviar from 90s... |
| 09:44.39 | dwu | Might want to call in one for the dude who takes "get an upgrade" as a personal insult. |
| 09:44.42 | valdyn | oh, and xfs has some kind of bug open since 2.6.22 that hits me with huge amounts of hardlinks and rsync |
| 09:44.46 | Dieterbe | Hi, after aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 it is still listed in dpkg -l with status "pc", what does this mean? and how can i completely get rid of it? |
| 09:45.04 | valdyn | i haven't investigated further, but i've been hit often enough and read lkml to know its a fs bug |
| 09:45.07 | Supaplex | robboplus_: I'd say don't let it go to your ego, but ... breath :) |
| 09:45.16 | valdyn | so, there remains ext3 |
| 09:45.22 | robboplus_ | dwu wtf is wrong with you? i said dual SATA and that's on hw controller... what do you want me to upgrade and why do you keep saying same crap for the 4th time? |
| 09:45.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | valdyn, thanks for the feedback (gotta afk for a bit atm) |
| 09:45.46 | dwu | Specs as dicks, go for it. |
| 09:45.47 | dwu | enjoy. |
| 09:45.53 | robboplus_ | Supaplex such stuff usually takes place on fridays here.. it's thursday though :) |
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| 09:46.26 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: What's the first two lines say? Find any words that start with p? |
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| 09:47.01 | valdyn | robboplus_: i really wonder why a few 100mb logs per day should strain your disk significantly |
| 09:47.03 | Dieterbe | Supaplex: database139:/home/dieter/backup-mysql5# dpkg -l | grep mysql |
| 09:47.04 | Dieterbe | pc mysql-server-5.0 5.0.32-7etch1 mysql database server binaries |
| 09:47.17 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: use dpkg -l mysql |
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| 09:47.21 | Dieterbe | i can't figure out what the "pc" means |
| 09:47.30 | valdyn | Dieterbe: purge |
| 09:47.32 | dwu | valdyn: Oh, come on, you should so have typoed disk. |
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| 09:47.56 | Supaplex | valdyn: less fish, more fishing poles. :) |
| 09:48.00 | cast | Dieterbe: dpkg -l|head -n3 |
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| 09:48.06 | Dieterbe | but i purged it already (successfully), shouldnt it be gone now? |
| 09:48.18 | Dieterbe | btw dpkg-l mysql says: No packages found matching mysql. |
| 09:48.18 | Supaplex | !purge |
| 09:48.19 | dpkg | methinks purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 09:48.35 | Supaplex | my bad, dpkg -l mysql-server-5.0 |
| 09:49.12 | Supaplex | yes, purge means finito gone poof. the status is still recorded, but that has no bearing on the package configs or files. they're gone. |
| 09:50.06 | Dieterbe | but if u purge other packages (such as php5-mysql) then it doesnt show up anymore in dpkg -l |
| 09:50.11 | Dieterbe | if i * |
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| 09:50.39 | Supaplex | pn mysql-server <none> (no description available) |
| 09:50.56 | Supaplex | it's gone here. humm i never installed php* here. |
| 09:50.59 | Supaplex | let's see... |
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| 09:51.15 | valdyn | pn is packages that were never installed, as it looks |
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| 09:51.20 | Dieterbe | so "pc" means purge + config files |
| 09:51.38 | Dieterbe | according to the header of dpkg output |
| 09:52.02 | Dieterbe | does that mean, even though it is purged, the config files are still there, or something? |
| 09:52.09 | valdyn | Dieterbe: nah |
| 09:52.24 | valdyn | Dieterbe: purge is a removal including config |
| 09:52.25 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: purge doesn't leave config files |
| 09:52.34 | Supaplex | delete does |
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| 09:53.03 | Supaplex | er, remove will retain configs |
| 09:53.05 | valdyn | i don'T have a single pc package |
| 09:53.15 | valdyn | rc - ok, but pc? |
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| 09:53.44 | Supaplex | pn php5-mysql <none> (no description available) |
| 09:53.49 | Supaplex | yup. just nuked it. |
| 09:54.07 | Dieterbe | okay i figured it out |
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| 09:54.38 | Dieterbe | dpkg -P couldnt remove the config directory for some reason, i fixed that |
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| 09:54.48 | Dieterbe | now mysql-server-5.0 shows up as "pn" |
| 09:54.53 | Dieterbe | so this means all is ok now? |
| 09:54.56 | osl | How can i force my DHCP to assign a static IP to a certain host ? ?? |
| 09:55.02 | osl | i am using dhcp3-server |
| 09:55.04 | valdyn | osl: sure |
| 09:55.27 | valdyn | osl: there already is an exmple in the default config |
| 09:55.43 | osl | valdyn, i tried to modify /etc/dhcp3/dhcp.conf |
| 09:55.45 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: it's toast. sql databases have a special exception to purge, maybe it asked you if you realllllly meant for /var/lib/mysql to go byebye to (your databases) |
| 09:55.55 | osl | valdyn, i used the fix address option |
| 09:56.08 | valdyn | osl: no vagueness, paste the relevant config |
| 09:56.08 | osl | valdyn, but the client does not take the IP i assign to it |
| 09:56.20 | osl | valdyn, sure |
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| 09:56.30 | Supaplex | osl: dhcp needs reload, and client needs to reask |
| 09:56.36 | loesh | what is the status of testing these days? and is it tedious to upgrade from stable? |
| 09:56.36 | valdyn | osl: and you can run "dhclient <iface" on the client manually to see what its getting offered |
| 09:56.48 | valdyn | err, "dhclient <iface>" |
| 09:57.01 | osl | Supaplex, sure , i did that that hundred times |
| 09:57.08 | osl | valdyn, here's the code |
| 09:57.20 | Dieterbe | Supaplex: after deleting the config directory manually, it asked to delete /var/lib/mysql for the first time. i guess dpkg bailed out before he had the chance to ask that, previously (because then it couldnt delete the config directory) |
| 09:57.33 | osl | valdyn, host ssi1 { |
| 09:57.33 | osl | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.33 | osl | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.33 | osl | } |
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| 09:57.54 | valdyn | !nfp |
| 09:57.58 | Dieterbe | Supaplex: but what do you mean with "sql databases have a special exception to purge" ? |
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| 09:58.29 | valdyn | dpkg: nfp is <reply>No pasting in this channel! |
| 09:58.29 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 09:58.29 | osl | valdyn, sorry i was kicked since i pasted this thing |
| 09:58.32 | valdyn | !nfp |
| 09:58.32 | dpkg | No pasting in this channel! |
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| 09:58.41 | osl | !paste |
| 09:58.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 09:59.08 | valdyn | osl: looks ok, your paste, the what your dhclient on the client sais about it |
| 09:59.11 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: if you purge a mysql server package, it might ask you (here comes the special handling/exception to this rule) if you want to keep files in /var/lib, eg the data files of the databases |
| 09:59.22 | Supaplex | osl: my eg: host kennedy { hardware ethernet 00:11:09:32:02:92; fixed-address kennedy; } |
| 09:59.29 | valdyn | osl: or see if there'S a typo in the mac |
| 09:59.33 | Dieterbe | i see |
| 09:59.47 | osl | valdyn, the mac is OK , i checked it many times |
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| 10:00.17 | Dieterbe | Supaplex: and "pn" is what i want for a purged package? eg: can i be sure now? |
| 10:00.20 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: normally packages will not ask that. my bacon was spared atleast TWICE because I didn't really think about that, and it asked. :) |
| 10:00.27 | osl | Supaplex, valdyn : the client is assigned 192.168.0.238 ! |
| 10:00.27 | valdyn | Dieterbe: yes |
| 10:00.28 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: YES |
| 10:00.31 | Dieterbe | great |
| 10:00.38 | Dieterbe | thanks for all the help guys :) |
| 10:00.47 | valdyn | osl: did you restart the dhcp server? |
| 10:01.01 | osl | valdyn, yeah , and used the force-reload parameter |
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| 10:01.19 | Supaplex | !depth charge mysql-server-5.0 |
| 10:01.28 | Supaplex | Dieterbe: poof. :) |
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| 10:01.36 | osl | Supaplex, valdyn : could there be another file where the dhcp is reading its config from ?? |
| 10:01.44 | valdyn | osl: how did you check the MAC? |
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| 10:02.14 | valdyn | osl: is it possible that there's a 2nd dhcp server active on your router or somesuch? |
| 10:02.16 | osl | valdyn, the client shows its mac when it asks for dhcp |
| 10:02.46 | osl | valdyn, no , the client is connected directly to the server ! no switches or routers in between |
| 10:02.50 | xtor | is there some cheapo, ghetto version of something like nagios that someone can just run from their workstation to keep track of a website in case it goes down? |
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| 10:03.06 | osl | valdyn, i have LTSP installed here , does this have anything to do with this problem ? |
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| 10:03.27 | valdyn | osl: what'S ltsp? |
| 10:03.33 | Supaplex | !ltsp |
| 10:03.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 10:03.37 | Growly | does anyone have experience with a compact flash <-> ide adapter? (dual slot) |
| 10:03.51 | Supaplex | Growly: only 1:1 here. |
| 10:03.53 | valdyn | osl: probably yes |
| 10:04.19 | Growly | Supaplex - oh ok - I have a one slot and a couple of two slot adapters. the single slot works fine, but both the dual slot ones constantly time out. |
| 10:04.20 | Supaplex | osl: they have have disabled options we know are stock in debian. |
| 10:04.22 | osl | Supaplex, valdyn : mmm , so ?! LTSP basically uses thi DHCP |
| 10:04.24 | osl | this* |
| 10:04.31 | Growly | i have two because i originaly suspected a fault with the adapter and requested a replacement |
| 10:04.33 | Growly | but now it's here and... |
| 10:04.42 | Growly | (not the machine either, tried different ones( |
| 10:04.47 | Supaplex | osl: correction, *maybe* they have disabled ... |
| 10:04.51 | valdyn | osl: i don't know what exactly ltsp does. |
| 10:04.54 | Growly | to anyone then, if i have a dual slot, do I need to populate both slots? |
| 10:05.35 | valdyn | ltsp seems to include a dhcp server |
| 10:05.45 | Supaplex | Growly: are they master+slave? I can see they never soldered both CF connectors, otherwise I might be able to use 2 at once. |
| 10:06.10 | valdyn | osl: which is your dhcp server, which config file are you editing? |
| 10:06.12 | osl | valdyn, well , it needs a DHCP server |
| 10:06.36 | osl | valdyn, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 10:07.14 | valdyn | osl: dpkg -l | grep dhcp |
| 10:07.20 | valdyn | osl: mind, dont paste here |
| 10:07.25 | Supaplex | valdyn: we have a <based on debian> type of problem here. who knows if they support the same config options. sure, you'd expect static ips from the dhcp server to be pretty standard, but ... |
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| 10:08.14 | valdyn | Supaplex: uh? hes not using debian? |
| 10:08.21 | Supaplex | eg 'best effort' support. we know that works fine on debian, so burden of proof goes back to ltsp |
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| 10:08.35 | Supaplex | ltsp isn't debian, right? it's it's own minidistro? |
| 10:08.43 | valdyn | Supaplex: ltsp would be in etch too |
| 10:08.45 | DustyBin | ive installed compiz, but when i activate it with: compiz --replace. the screen resets itself, but nothing happens, apart from all the windows just pile ontop of eachother ? |
| 10:09.39 | Dieterbe | DustyBin: that means your current window manager gets killed (normal), but the new one cant be started |
| 10:09.40 | Supaplex | oh my bad, i'm using openwrt as my dhcp server (config was previously sarge though) |
| 10:09.59 | Dieterbe | DustyBin: you dont seen any other error messages? |
| 10:10.07 | Dieterbe | about emerald or something? |
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| 10:10.45 | DustyBin | Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Clearlooks": Failed to find a valid file for theme Clearlooks |
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| 10:11.14 | DustyBin | but even when i compiled compiz myself instead of using the lenny packages, the same thing happened |
| 10:11.41 | liable | install a clearlooks theme? :) |
| 10:11.55 | valdyn | DustyBin: why dont you check if compiz is running? |
| 10:11.57 | Dieterbe | hmm i had the same message as you, but that didnt keep my compiz/emerald from starting |
| 10:12.04 | valdyn | DustyBin: or is it really running? |
| 10:12.14 | valdyn | its not a fatal error |
| 10:12.46 | valdyn | compiz window decoration plugin thing is just fragile |
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| 10:13.01 | DustyBin | valdyn: i execute compiz from a terminal with: compiz --replace and the only error message it says on the terminal is: Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Clearlooks": Failed to find a valid file for theme Clearlooks |
| 10:13.22 | osl | valdyn, Supaplex thanx for help , i found it |
| 10:13.22 | valdyn | DustyBin: and compiz exits? or not? |
| 10:13.30 | DustyBin | it doesnt exit no |
| 10:13.31 | valdyn | osl: what was it? |
| 10:13.39 | valdyn | DustyBin: so its running fine |
| 10:13.47 | DustyBin | but all the windows just pile on top of eacthother and i cannot move them |
| 10:13.52 | valdyn | DustyBin: "compiz --replace gconf" |
| 10:14.02 | osl | valdyn, Supaplex : LTSP sets the dhcp.conf in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf |
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| 10:14.12 | valdyn | DustyBin: compiz is plugin based, it _runs_ without plugins loaded, it just doesnt do much in that case |
| 10:14.34 | valdyn | DustyBin: you can google for a complete command line with plugins in order like |
| 10:14.36 | alan | !sparc |
| 10:14.36 | dpkg | sparc is, like, the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 10:14.43 | osl | valdyn, Supaplex : apparently i was modifying another file |
| 10:14.46 | valdyn | DustyBin: compiz --replace gconf decoration x y z etc |
| 10:15.21 | DustyBin | valdyn: ok thanks valdyn ill investigate |
| 10:15.24 | Supaplex | ahh see :) |
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| 10:15.52 | valdyn | DustyBin: http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz |
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| 10:16.15 | DustyBin | compiz-plugins package is installed |
| 10:16.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nobody responded in #xorg, so I'm asking here: |
| 10:16.39 | valdyn | DustyBin: compiz --replace glib gconf cube rotate scale fade minimize zoom place move and "tk-window-decorator --replace &" |
| 10:16.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to get some of the hotkeys on my laptop to work |
| 10:16.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Here are their xev outputs: http://pastebin.ca/757415 |
| 10:16.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Could anyone please assist me? |
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| 10:16.58 | valdyn | DustyBin: gtk-window-decorator even |
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| 10:19.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyone? :) |
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| 10:20.41 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: map those key event to an F number in xmodmap, then you can run scripts to do whatever you like when a keypress is made |
| 10:21.00 | DustyBin | valdyn: using all those extra commands does the same thing, it kills my XFCE windows manager, but nothing happens after, so none of the windows move |
| 10:21.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: I've tried using .Xmodmap and telling xmodmap to use it before, for some reason, it doesn't work |
| 10:21.42 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: put your xmodmap on a paster |
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| 10:22.06 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-cache show keytouch |
| 10:22.07 | Growly | Supaplex - it appears that it is master/slave, but there is absolute no information on it |
| 10:22.08 | Growly | anywhere |
| 10:22.12 | Growly | i dont even know who makes it |
| 10:22.31 | Supaplex | yea, typical :( |
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| 10:22.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: KeyTouch requires me to select a keyboard from a list |
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| 10:23.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Mine is just a generic laptop keyboard |
| 10:23.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: http://pasetbin.ca/757427 |
| 10:23.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | liable: http://pastebin.ca/757427 |
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| 10:23.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Misspelled the URL |
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| 10:24.55 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: wow, where di you get that from? |
| 10:25.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | No idea.. |
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| 10:25.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't remember what I did two months ago, as that file is dated :p |
| 10:25.24 | hda1 | hallo |
| 10:25.29 | liable | Dark_Apostrophe: /j #flood, i'll paste the few lines mine has |
| 10:25.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 10:26.19 | hda1 | hallo, ist euch was von störungen bei 1und1 webhosting bekannt? meine domain ist down. nicht mal ein 404 |
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| 10:27.15 | kwadronaut | :q |
| 10:27.18 | kwadronaut | ww |
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| 10:32.42 | nvz | wth I think I was just exploited by google |
| 10:32.57 | nvz | I'm having trouble groking at this hour what just happened |
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| 10:33.20 | liable | gmale? ;) |
| 10:33.30 | nvz | I opened firefox and terminal windows running curl started opening |
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| 10:33.50 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 10:33.58 | saintiss | which command should I use to change the setting determining whether system clock is UTC or local time? |
| 10:34.05 | nvz | I now got files in my homedir such as update?client=navclient-auto-ffox&appver=2.0.0.4&version=goog-white-domain:1:23,goog-white-url:1:371,goog-black-url:1:12502,goog-black-enchash:1:29265 |
| 10:34.10 | saintiss | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata didn't bring up that question |
| 10:34.11 | flami | tzconfig |
| 10:34.52 | saintiss | flami: that doesn't seem to be a command |
| 10:34.59 | saintiss | apt-file search tzconfig yields nothing |
| 10:35.00 | flami | hu? |
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| 10:35.12 | liable | which version of debian? |
| 10:35.13 | flami | its already on there ^^ |
| 10:35.29 | nvz | they look like search cache files or something |
| 10:35.37 | saintiss | testing |
| 10:35.39 | saintiss | (lenny) |
| 10:35.51 | flami | gotta be root |
| 10:35.55 | liable | !set the time |
| 10:35.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 10:36.00 | nvz | bunch of hex strings followed by other encoded data then a bunch of URLs I never seen below |
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| 10:36.05 | saintiss | flami: I am root |
| 10:36.09 | nvz | stopped when I hit the stop button |
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| 10:36.20 | nvz | otherwise I think it would have filled my whole drive |
| 10:36.30 | anti999 | does anyone use dovecot with imap functions on etch?? |
| 10:36.53 | flami | !anyone |
| 10:37.02 | liable | not with imap |
| 10:37.05 | flami | ahh how was that again :P |
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| 10:39.11 | anti999 | ok, not anyone, but i must know, if it runs |
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| 10:39.36 | flami | ohhh the bot lags |
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| 10:40.10 | streuner | which bot? |
| 10:40.21 | flami | dpkg |
| 10:40.39 | nvz | the data appears to be a blacklist |
| 10:41.04 | nvz | why the fuck did my browser just start spawning curl processes to download google's blacklist |
| 10:41.11 | flami | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#step-6-configure-dovecot <---- anti999 |
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| 10:44.57 | kubitz | nvz where is that? |
| 10:45.12 | nvz | where is what? |
| 10:45.29 | nvz | googles encrypted blacklist? |
| 10:45.34 | kubitz | you were reading about Google's blacklist? |
| 10:45.37 | nvz | its in my fucking homedir |
| 10:45.38 | kubitz | yah |
| 10:45.44 | kubitz | Ah |
| 10:45.47 | nvz | why is the question I am trying to answer |
| 10:45.59 | cast | interesting, a 12ml wide steel rod |
| 10:46.16 | nvz | I opened firefox and curl processes started spawning and next thing I know I got files with encrypted blacklists |
| 10:46.17 | liable | ml? |
| 10:46.32 | nvz | I can |
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| 10:46.42 | nvz | can't for the life of me understand what just happened |
| 10:46.44 | kubitz | I seem to remember reading that it is used to restrict access to those websites that Google sees as Dangerous - like Astallavista.box.sk would be listed there |
| 10:46.54 | kubitz | I thought that was only for Windows comps though |
| 10:46.55 | liable | cast: whats 12ml? |
| 10:47.09 | kubitz | Cos most of the stuff is only harmful to Win comps |
| 10:47.20 | cast | http://astalavista.box.sk/ * |
| 10:47.37 | nvz | yeah well I consider my security to have just been seariously breached |
| 10:47.37 | cast | liable: this rod...apparently someone failed at checking units when proof reading |
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| 10:48.01 | nvz | when I load my homepage I shouldnt have remote computers running programs on my computer and saving data to my HD |
| 10:48.08 | anti999 | flami: thanks, but that doesn't work here, |
| 10:48.12 | cast | nvz: you didn't set up a ff filetype association to curl did you? and then cur lstarted dling whatever |
| 10:48.21 | liable | cast: oh, i was wondering htf you can measure diameter in ml :P |
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| 10:48.41 | kubitz | Are these file actually in you home directory? I mean by that not in a subdirectory? |
| 10:48.50 | flami | anti999, then i dont know never used it , im courier fan ^^ |
| 10:49.08 | nvz | cast: no.. I had just used it earlier.. I went to bed for a few hours woke up, opened firefox and after my homepage (igoogle) loads its still "loading" and its poping up curl windows and downloading large ammounts of encrypted data |
| 10:49.15 | nvz | I by no means authorized this |
| 10:49.25 | kubitz | cast that was just an example of a dodgy site |
| 10:49.50 | anti999 | flami: i like st.pauli ;-) |
| 10:49.50 | troubled | nvz: from what url? |
| 10:49.53 | kubitz | I wish I hadn't posted it now I hope no one thought I was recommending a visit |
| 10:50.16 | cast | kubitz: well, you had me worried. as my country censors the internet [to a degree] i had to check it wasn't a typo, :P |
| 10:50.22 | nvz | troubled: uh.. http://www.google.com/ig?lang=en or whatever |
| 10:50.26 | nvz | troubled: my homepage |
| 10:50.43 | kubitz | cast yeah most people can't visit that site I'm told |
| 10:50.57 | kubitz | In the Uk they just let us do what we want |
| 10:51.09 | nvz | this is what it says in the prefs for homepage: http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en |
| 10:51.11 | kubitz | That's why we have the most malbots in the world LOL |
| 10:51.31 | kubitz | I'm exaggerating there btw |
| 10:51.50 | nvz | I was going to find something to occupy some time online I wasn't expecting to be wondering why the hell google just exploited my system |
| 10:52.27 | nvz | though other weird shit like this has happened |
| 10:52.45 | nvz | I've been seeing for quite some time things in my search history I know damn well I didn't search for |
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| 10:52.49 | kubitz | nvz that does look like the url that appears in the temp di of Windows. It has never appeared on this box though. |
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| 10:52.57 | kubitz | Not yet anyway |
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| 10:53.35 | troubled | nvz: which file was encrypted? didnt see anything funny url wise |
| 10:53.36 | kubitz | i actually think it's the one that determins your host language settings so it's probably not really ahrmful |
| 10:54.18 | xlotlu | how do i clamp the mss for pppoe? |
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| 10:54.33 | cast | i actually think i should put ff in a vserver sandbox because its the most vulnerable thing on my box :\ |
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| 10:55.12 | nvz | troubled: I opened IW, it went to iGoogle as usuall but terminals started poping up and dissapearing running curl processes.. so naturally I checked my homedir.. found files like /home/nvz/update?client=navclient-auto-ffox&appver=2.0.0.4&version=goog-white-domain:1:23,goog-white-url:1:371,goog-black-url:1:15710,goog-black-enchash:1:37011 |
| 10:55.15 | kubitz | I have to admit I use opera - I know that's not Deb PC but it does have afantastic security record |
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| 10:55.39 | nvz | troubled: which contain googles enchash or encoded hashed versions of their blacklist |
| 10:55.51 | kubitz | And they did fix that last plugin vuln in hours whereas it took FF 2 days |
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| 10:56.15 | nvz | troubled: what is bothering me is that a trusted site seems to have just exploited my browser, ran processes on my machine, and saved data to my drive |
| 10:56.18 | Phoix | for ATI graphics cards when haviung two installed in one pc you can use the crossfire connectors, under windows it is called crossfire in linux with the command aticonfig is this feature called FireGL? |
| 10:56.31 | nvz | thats a damn security breach if I ever seen one |
| 10:56.43 | nvz | I can't get it to happen again |
| 10:56.48 | troubled | nvz: well, had to say that yet |
| 10:56.49 | xlotlu | or rather... how do i tell pppoe to run with -m from the /etc/ppp/peers/ config file? |
| 10:56.51 | valdyn | Phoix: no |
| 10:56.58 | kubitz | nvz I am fairly sure that url you posted is just a language detection script if that makes you feel anybetter? |
| 10:56.59 | Phoix | hmm, ok |
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| 10:57.09 | valdyn | Phoix: FireGL is just the business class gfx card branding |
| 10:57.25 | nvz | kubitz: no it doesnt.. what would make me feel better is who the fuck authorized those curl proccess to run and how |
| 10:57.29 | nvz | cause I sure as hell didn't |
| 10:57.31 | Phoix | valdyn: is it possible to use the crossfire feature under linux? |
| 10:57.33 | Phoix | ok |
| 10:57.38 | valdyn | Phoix: no idea |
| 10:57.47 | Phoix | ok |
| 10:57.48 | Phoix | :) |
| 10:58.18 | troubled | nvz: first step, check your firefox associations and see what is set to use curl |
| 10:58.21 | nvz | its not the data, or the website that bothers me.. its the fact that I seem to have just been remotely exploited because processes were executed remotely (so it seems) and data was saved |
| 10:58.42 | nvz | troubled: nothing what-so-ever afaik.. but I will look.. not sure where that info is but I can dig around |
| 10:58.48 | troubled | nvz: second, pastebin the file and the hashes for closer inspection |
| 10:58.49 | kubitz | I don't know that nvz I'm new to Linux but I do have some Web programing experience that's the only reason I recognise that url. |
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| 10:59.24 | troubled | nvz: third, lrn2install squid and firewall logs for everything on your network for short periods of time |
| 10:59.32 | nvz | troubled: mplayer and xpdf are the only file associations I have |
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| 10:59.58 | valdyn | xlotlu: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 11:00.08 | Phoix | vardyn: i think its called pair mode |
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| 11:00.22 | valdyn | xlotlu: what does the ppp process have to do with clamping mss? |
| 11:00.28 | nvz | troubled: there are multiple files.. and if I had not stopped it I suspect it would have continued for quite some time |
| 11:00.29 | Phoix | *valdyn |
| 11:00.35 | xlotlu | valdyn: to clamp the mss on a gateway. but nvm, the example was in the default config file :) |
| 11:01.26 | DustyBin | valdyn: ive tried lots of compiz and window decorator commands from the command line, but they all do the same thing, kills my window manager then nothing happens |
| 11:01.34 | nvz | troubled: do you know a pastebin I can just upload cause this is complicated to copy/paste its got a lot of cols |
| 11:01.56 | nvz | long arrays of hashed data |
| 11:02.02 | kubitz | troubled would you recommend squid as the best sniffer for linux - that's what I came here to ask? I just want to find out where some media files are. I use URL Snooper on Windows |
| 11:02.02 | troubled | nvz: bzip it all up, uuencode it and put it on pastebin.ca |
| 11:02.29 | cast | pfft. |
| 11:02.33 | Phoix | no its not pair mode.. lol |
| 11:02.35 | simonrvn | kubitz: apt-cache show squid |
| 11:02.38 | valdyn | DustyBin: no idea.. |
| 11:02.52 | troubled | kubitz: dont know if you can call it a sniffer as much as tcpdump and friends, but its handy, with the side benifit of cached data and browsing speed ups |
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| 11:03.19 | cast | lzma it, outguess it and put it in bayimg |
| 11:03.30 | kubitz | But you'd recommend that one - it's just so many came up when I searched for sniffers that I was confused by the choice |
| 11:03.36 | valdyn | kubitz: there'S alot of tools that can do this, but probably few that can only do this |
| 11:03.47 | valdyn | kubitz: like wireshark, tcpdump |
| 11:04.03 | kubitz | Ther eis is really only one free one for Windows which means it's easier to choose |
| 11:04.14 | valdyn | kubitz: no, windows has many too |
| 11:04.29 | valdyn | kubitz: url snooper is just an extremely crippled sniffer that only grabs urls |
| 11:04.31 | troubled | kubitz: it really depends on what your after log wise. default squid is handy for just urls, client who queried it etc. but if you want specific streams, your better off with tcpdump/wireshark |
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| 11:04.36 | kubitz | Ah I only found one |
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| 11:04.45 | valdyn | kubitz: well, wireshark is there for windows too |
| 11:04.53 | valdyn | kubitz: and probably even tcpdump or whatever |
| 11:04.59 | valdyn | kubitz: more like 100 than 1 im sure |
| 11:05.01 | kubitz | troubled i want sometihng small and i just want to see all the urls |
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| 11:05.30 | valdyn | kubitz: im sure url snooper is bigger than tcpdump |
| 11:05.32 | kubitz | It's just so I can see where the rm files are on the bbc radio player |
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| 11:05.54 | simonrvn | it's called "view source" |
| 11:05.58 | troubled | kubitz: squid would work for that, and it speeds things up a bit. win win! :) |
| 11:06.02 | DawnLight | i've got a stupid laptop that won't post up guitar a flat piece of hardware that won't even budge trumpet its not that i haven't tried oh lord sax i've opened it up i even pulled out the board silence it is a useless piece of rubble now, i wish it could work some drums and the funny thing is break its not even mine! oooooooohh YEAH! |
| 11:06.19 | simonrvn | hint: learn to use your browser ;) |
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| 11:06.46 | kubitz | Well it probably is I found that the linux equivs of most of my windows software are minute in comparison |
| 11:06.54 | DawnLight | !applause |
| 11:07.06 | DawnLight | or how's it spelled |
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| 11:07.39 | kubitz | I will try squid thanks |
| 11:07.42 | DawnLight | kubitz: whacha using? |
| 11:07.50 | flami | baaa dpkg lags |
| 11:07.54 | sadmin | hi all |
| 11:08.17 | techouse | hello :) |
| 11:08.38 | troubled | kubitz: keep in mind that its not exactly easy to "tweak". its probably one of the most advanced proxies out there |
| 11:08.57 | kubitz | Well I was comparing streamripper which is 50k |
| 11:09.27 | kubitz | I'm now just wonderding what that 10 meg windows Media recorder what for |
| 11:09.41 | flami | wanna rip streams ? |
| 11:09.58 | kubitz | Yeah that's the main thing |
| 11:10.06 | flami | streamtuner can rip |
| 11:10.11 | flami | and i think vlc too |
| 11:10.15 | kubitz | I can save them with streamripper |
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| 11:10.25 | flami | squid is kinda overkill :P |
| 11:10.25 | kubitz | Yeah VLC is bigger than I wanted |
| 11:10.27 | liable | DawnLight: wow, that comment just before didnt make a bit of sense to me.. |
| 11:10.30 | kubitz | This is areally tiny box |
| 11:10.46 | kubitz | Th was my initial reason for moving |
| 11:10.58 | flami | tiny in harddisk? |
| 11:11.19 | kubitz | It's too small for 2K aND 98 IS BECOMING TO INSECURE SINCE it stopped being supported |
| 11:11.24 | kubitz | yeah flami |
| 11:11.30 | kubitz | I will get a nother soon |
| 11:11.30 | epsilon | need help on soundcard issue... soundcard was working and is present in /proc/asound. But if I want to play music, the apps are complaining that sound device is not found - also alsamixer doesn't find the device. what's wrong? |
| 11:11.33 | flami | how you wanna rip then ? ^^ |
| 11:11.44 | flami | with no HD space |
| 11:11.45 | kubitz | to a network drive |
| 11:11.50 | flami | ahh |
| 11:11.51 | flami | k |
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| 11:11.59 | kubitz | that all works okay it's just finding the streams |
| 11:12.02 | flami | maybe try DSL . its a 50 Mb distro i thi k |
| 11:12.27 | kubitz | flami yeah it's is abit restrictive though |
| 11:12.29 | DustyBin | valdyn: i got it to work! by using the repos supplied here: http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
| 11:12.36 | kubitz | I wasn't quite right with DSL |
| 11:12.41 | flami | ahh |
| 11:12.46 | DustyBin | my window wobbles :D |
| 11:12.48 | nvz | troubled: there are a total of 5 files, and the one is over 600k bzipped and I am not sure how to uuencode these so pastebin will take em |
| 11:12.50 | kubitz | Debian is the best I can fit on here |
| 11:12.52 | flami | well hum streamtuner maybe ? |
| 11:12.58 | kubitz | In fact I really like Debian |
| 11:13.00 | flami | cant remember how big it is |
| 11:13.01 | nvz | troubled: I'll try something else |
| 11:13.12 | kubitz | I'll have alook at streamtuner |
| 11:13.21 | troubled | nvz: uuencode filename.bz2 < filename.bz2 > filename.bz2.uu |
| 11:13.41 | flami | what do you wanna get? |
| 11:13.44 | flami | shoutcast? |
| 11:13.51 | troubled | nvz: that or filebeam.com |
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| 11:14.08 | kubitz | In fact I'll go further than that. I will almost certainly stay with Debian even when i do get a better second box |
| 11:14.13 | troubled | nvz: but filebeam only accepts gz, not bz2 (well, others, just not bz2 yet) |
| 11:14.18 | kubitz | I mainly record DFM radio |
| 11:14.38 | kubitz | I thought shoutcast was for broadcasting? |
| 11:14.42 | flami | kubitz, if you want a nice SMB browser ( if your shared drive is on wenydoze ) trysmb4k |
| 11:15.06 | flami | yeah i mean the shoutcast radiolisting |
| 11:15.14 | kubitz | I will look - but actually i have a network drive |
| 11:15.29 | kubitz | My one large expense recently :) |
| 11:15.36 | kubitz | Ah right |
| 11:15.38 | kubitz | sorry |
| 11:16.01 | flami | if you already know what to rip then you should be allright |
| 11:16.19 | kubitz | flami yeah but there are lots of odd shows i like from elsewhere |
| 11:16.31 | kubitz | Like I like WFMU Reggae Schoolroom |
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| 11:16.49 | kubitz | Although bad example WFMU gives you the file location anyway |
| 11:16.52 | flami | well only way to find out is try ^^ |
| 11:17.47 | nvz | troubled: http://24.3.92.23/why.tar.bz2 |
| 11:17.52 | kubitz | flami yeah it is really the knowledge I'm moving from a fairly knowedgable windows user to a no nothing Linux user - I will catch up soon I hope :) |
| 11:18.36 | flami | well there is streamripper in the debian repos |
| 11:19.17 | flami | and a GUI for it . |
| 11:19.20 | kubitz | Yeah I'm using that now |
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| 11:19.29 | kubitz | I haven't bothered with the Gui |
| 11:19.34 | flami | so? whats the problem ? |
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| 11:19.38 | kubitz | It's not that hard to type commands |
| 11:19.49 | nvz | troubled: the JS and CSS files make me think if this was a remote exploit which is seems it def is.. was because of a google gadget |
| 11:19.50 | flami | hehe ^^ reasonable man |
| 11:20.33 | troubled | nvz: whats wrong with the .js stuff? |
| 11:20.43 | nvz | troubled: ITS IN MY HOMEDIR :P |
| 11:20.46 | nvz | heh |
| 11:20.49 | nvz | I didn't put it there |
| 11:21.06 | nvz | the problem isn't in WHATs in my homedir its the fact that it is THERE at all |
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| 11:21.17 | nvz | I didn't download any of that shit |
| 11:21.20 | troubled | nvz: no, but the fact you had a /home/nvz/action?...... suggestions that curl used your home dir as a tmp/cache dir, thats all |
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| 11:21.35 | nvz | troubled: why the hell was curl run at all |
| 11:21.41 | kubitz | I have to cook my dinner now. I bet you don't see that typed here very often but I do so I'll be back later |
| 11:21.58 | nvz | troubled: it used my homedir cause it was run by me,, except for one problem,, I didn't run it |
| 11:22.09 | troubled | nvz: no idea, but i suspect its setup somehow |
| 11:22.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | my totem seems to have its gammer cranked right up. all white stuff is washed out :( wonder whats causing it (totem/x/gnome) |
| 11:22.21 | flami | good hes gone i need to cook too ^^ |
| 11:22.22 | nvz | it's never done this before |
| 11:22.48 | nvz | I don't like processes and files appearing on my system without an explanation |
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| 11:23.17 | nvz | opening my Iceweasel to Igoogle homepage should not spawn 5 processes and save 5 files to my homedir |
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| 11:23.34 | nvz | and it would have kept going if I had not hit the stop button I am almost certain |
| 11:23.38 | YGingras_ | I spoted a typo in the sysadmin manual, is there a repo that I can clone? I'd submit a diff rather than a report |
| 11:24.24 | xtor | whats a decent looking, functional GUI ftp client for X? |
| 11:24.46 | YGingras_ | xtor: Konqueror |
| 11:24.51 | nvz | xtor: do you by chance use KDE? |
| 11:25.09 | troubled | nvz: http://www.webappsec.org/lists/websecurity/archive/2007-01/msg00004.html and http://blogoscoped.com/forum/67024.html |
| 11:25.10 | xtor | Gnome |
| 11:25.16 | flami | filezille |
| 11:25.20 | flami | filezilla |
| 11:25.20 | xtor | But gnome can run KDE right |
| 11:25.49 | nvz | YGingras_: I was gonna say that but QT apps are neither functional or decent looking IMO |
| 11:25.49 | xtor | hmmm is filezilla a .deb? I used to like filezilla in windoze |
| 11:25.49 | flami | yeah |
| 11:25.49 | shadowzz | xtor, gnome and kde are desktop environments |
| 11:25.50 | YGingras_ | nvz: too bad for you ; ) |
| 11:25.56 | nvz | xtor: well what I was getting at is the KDE file manager Konqueror which KDE users already know cause its not only a file browser, but a web browser, and also an FTP program |
| 11:25.56 | xtor | Port of the famous Win32 graphical FTP client |
| 11:25.57 | xtor | FileZilla is a fast and reliable FTP client for windows with lots of useful |
| 11:25.57 | xtor | features and an intuitive interface. |
| 11:25.58 | flami | aptitude install filezilla ^^ |
| 11:26.01 | shadowzz | xtor, kde apps can run on gnome and vice versa |
| 11:26.17 | xtor | nvz but does it support ssh/sftp? Probably not |
| 11:26.26 | troubled | nvz: the hash is parsed by your client, not google, they just provide the hash, else the people could just get a list of the phishing/illegal sites by parsing the file and going there to get into trouble on their own |
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| 11:26.48 | flami | filezilla doesnt support sftp either |
| 11:27.08 | nvz | troubled: I obviously googled this and found those already :P |
| 11:27.08 | troubled | nvz: a hash thus is used for security so joe blow clueless wannabe script kiddie doesnt gain access to a potentially harmful list by looking at the source |
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| 11:27.30 | nvz | troubled: thats not explaining why the fuck I just had 5 curl processes executed and have 5 files as a result |
| 11:27.33 | troubled | nvz: what your likely seeing is just the method in which the list is obtained, via external program |
| 11:27.52 | nvz | troubled: I understand what googles blacklist and encoded hash is now.. I don't understand why the hell its in my home dir |
| 11:28.09 | [RUsh] | My debian installer doesn't see Intel ICH8 SATA controller (ASUS P5K-VM motherboard). It says "no disc" |
| 11:28.29 | troubled | nvz: the program probably have no config, and $HOME is probably a default. im sure the curl source would back me up on that if you look at it |
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| 11:28.40 | nvz | troubled: if google can run curl what stops any random site from running any program the like,, hell running curl to d/l a program then running it |
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| 11:28.51 | chius | hey guys... i have a question |
| 11:29.02 | nvz | troubled: CURL SHOULD NOT HAVE RUN.. PERIOD :P |
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| 11:29.07 | troubled | nvz: i would assume its either hardcoded into firefox, or its a "trusted" site |
| 11:29.20 | chius | I have a NFS server and a client |
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| 11:29.27 | nvz | no, it was a "trusted" site |
| 11:29.37 | nvz | now Iceweasel and google are no longer trusted |
| 11:29.44 | chius | everything works properly but when I start the client and it is bootong it waits long time in these command |
| 11:29.46 | nvz | until I figure out wtf just happened :P |
| 11:30.08 | troubled | nvz: it might have just called the default www browser, and if firefox wasnt it, and curl was, then curl would have started instead. hard to say without more info |
| 11:30.14 | chius | "startin nfs commoon utilities:statd" and It only goes on bootong pressing ctrl>C |
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| 11:30.31 | nvz | troubled: how can opening IW and it loading my home page "call" anything at all |
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| 11:31.06 | nvz | troubled: all I pay this POS to do is parse HTML code not execute other apps |
| 11:31.10 | nvz | heh |
| 11:31.10 | [RUsh] | Is it possible to install debian on ICH8 chipset? |
| 11:31.14 | [RUsh] | err ICH9 |
| 11:31.29 | troubled | nvz: what about when i double click a .url file in windows? its called file associations. the OS knows what program to run for certain mimetypes and filemnames |
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| 11:31.57 | chius | any idea? |
| 11:32.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | nvz, `strace iceweasel` |
| 11:32.26 | nvz | troubled: you keep missing the point that I didn't do any of these things to authorize such action.. I simply asked my web broser to open and load my homepage.. and its now running shit |
| 11:32.31 | nvz | Kamping_Kaiser: useless |
| 11:32.42 | troubled | nvz: file isnt reporting anything obviously for the update files, so it was most likely a .extension of something that is setup to use curl that you missed, or a specific mime type |
| 11:32.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | nvz, not if your serious about knowing what its doing |
| 11:32.45 | nvz | Kamping_Kaiser: I would have been all over anything that would tell me something 10 minutes ago |
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| 11:32.51 | nvz | Kamping_Kaiser: its not doing it anymore |
| 11:32.55 | nvz | Kamping_Kaiser: just happened once |
| 11:33.00 | flami | [RUsh], i dont know but i think ich9 support was introduced after 2.6.18 . so maybe try debian lenny or sid |
| 11:33.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | nvz, tbh, i suspect pebkac |
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| 11:33.19 | Pinchiukas | I've had this great idea - to use a thin client as a router, any ideas how to implement that? haven't had any experience with thin clients :/ |
| 11:33.46 | [RUsh] | flami, so, I have no chances to install debian stable on this machine? |
| 11:33.50 | nvz | the only way this could be a pebkac is if I told my computer to download a bunch of JS, CSS, and Encrypted hash files, and I did not |
| 11:34.03 | troubled | nvz: i doubt its running stuff like you think it is. its likely a mime type or handler setup to execute curl when encountered with the passed url only, thus NON exploitable |
| 11:34.04 | flami | hum dunno , maybe they backported the ich9 support |
| 11:34.07 | nvz | its never done this before, and won't seem to do it again by going to my homepage |
| 11:34.18 | nvz | troubled: there is no evidence of such what-so-ever |
| 11:34.31 | nvz | troubled: only associations are for media to mplayer and pdfs to xpdf |
| 11:34.48 | nvz | troubled: and I didn't click anything but the Iceweasel icon and it simply loaded my homepage |
| 11:34.55 | nvz | I didn't tell it to do anything at all |
| 11:34.58 | kwadronaut | i'm having some cband/apache problem: Invalid command 'CBandClassRemoteSpeed', undefined class name anyone has a clue on fixing it? http://pastebin.ca/757463 |
| 11:35.13 | chius | I have a NFS server and a client |
| 11:35.26 | chius | everything works properly but when I start the client and it is booting it waits long time in these command |
| 11:35.34 | nvz | troubled: btw running www-browser loads links2 |
| 11:35.38 | chius | "starting nfs commoon utilities:statd" and It only goes on booting pressing ctrl>C |
| 11:35.43 | chius | any idea? |
| 11:35.47 | nvz | troubled: so theres that possibility too |
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| 11:35.50 | xingu | nvz: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/How_Mozilla_determines_MIME_Types <-- might be worth a read. |
| 11:35.51 | troubled | nvz: clicking doesnt matter. take quicktime, a page can auto load a quick time or wmv file anytime its wants, and the file association "runs" the plugin/program with certain parameters, and POOF, you have your content |
| 11:36.04 | flami | [RUsh], maybe google , maybe they included ich9 support |
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| 11:36.16 | troubled | nvz: well, there you go. just cause you use firefox, doesnt mean its the "default" |
| 11:36.33 | nvz | troubled: I understand the concept of mime types however there is no embedded content on my homepage, and no such associations |
| 11:36.42 | nvz | troubled: I know its not the default |
| 11:36.46 | [RUsh] | flami, I'm trying |
| 11:36.49 | nvz | that still doesnt explain how it ran curl |
| 11:37.03 | nvz | or why I got data I didn't ask for |
| 11:37.13 | kwadronaut | i wonder why it thinks that it doesn't have that class name specified when it is there in the apache2.conf |
| 11:37.16 | troubled | nvz: its not always obvious. everything you receive has a mimetype, even text/html or image/png etc |
| 11:38.31 | flami | [RUsh], maybe try #debian-kernel ( if there is none on freenode try oftc ) |
| 11:38.41 | xingu | troubled: and even, some things that don't have an http mime-type header, _do_, in mozilla-land, thanks to nsUnknownDecoder.cpp |
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| 11:38.56 | troubled | xingu: heya :) |
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| 11:39.24 | nvz | xingu: eh,.. doesn't seem to tell me anything I don't already know.. which is that this should not have happened |
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| 11:39.27 | troubled | not to say browsers will always display stuff without mime headers down the road though |
| 11:40.07 | nvz | troubled: I hear ya, but that still doesn't explain why curl was ran and why I had data saved to my harddrive from a remote server |
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| 11:40.28 | nvz | you can educate me on mime types that I learned about in 9th grade some 10 years ago all you want |
| 11:40.47 | nvz | if it were a mime type it would happen again |
| 11:40.58 | nvz | I could hit home, or refresh and it should do the same thing |
| 11:41.03 | xingu | yes |
| 11:41.03 | nvz | it does not |
| 11:41.09 | nvz | it did it once |
| 11:41.16 | nvz | and I call this remote exploit |
| 11:41.26 | troubled | nvz: unless the javascript is setup to know when it needs updates |
| 11:41.43 | xingu | right, so it's non-reproducable; so either you're looking at a webserver in a farm that decided to serve up everything as some executable mime type (or whatever), or, something unrelated at all to mime |
| 11:41.56 | nvz | I've never ever seen this happen before and never seen these files on my system |
| 11:42.06 | nvz | but I will delete them and restart IW |
| 11:42.17 | Fabio_Como | i'm setting up a apache server, user will join server with sftpd and they will have some virtual-hosts dir where they will upload website files. Those file will have the user specific uid/gid, so, it will be different from www-data:www-data, i'm thinking about which can be a good solution for this problem... maybe adding www-data user to the groups of the user that owns websites? |
| 11:42.18 | troubled | nvz: its a conspiracy, call the FBI! :) |
| 11:42.18 | xingu | I've seen plenty of weird shit happen when it comes to web farms and mime. :) |
| 11:42.28 | nvz | troubled: I'm on hold.. heh |
| 11:42.44 | DawnLight | omg the lappy posted |
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| 11:43.01 | wols | Fabio_Como: simply make the their stuff world readable by default |
| 11:43.17 | nvz | troubled: besides they are probably behind it.. creating a diversion while they confiscate my GAMP collection |
| 11:43.23 | flami | Fabio_Como, normally its not a big problem just tell em to make it readable for apache |
| 11:43.25 | troubled | :) |
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| 11:43.47 | troubled | nvz: im sure you would notice a terrabyte being uploaded to google |
| 11:44.01 | flami | Fabio_Como, or be really 1337 and run dynamic stuff ( php ... ) with (fast)CGI with their own username |
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| 11:44.19 | nvz | well deleting the files and restarting IW didn't seem to cause it to happen again |
| 11:44.24 | Fabio_Como | but if I set files +rw .. www-data can read them.. but other website users can read the others websites (and maybe also password stored in .php files..) |
| 11:44.54 | troubled | nvz: flush your cache as well perhaps. also, try a fresh user account with a bare dir if your trying to reproduce it |
| 11:44.55 | Fabio_Como | my idea was to add "www-data" to the groups of the website users.. |
| 11:44.57 | flami | well thats why there is openbasedir and safemode in php |
| 11:45.14 | flami | mostly open basedir |
| 11:45.29 | nvz | troubled: yeah.. well like I said google is just getting very high up on my shit list and iceweasel is only still on my system cause I can't figure this out without it |
| 11:45.32 | [RUsh] | The question is: how to install debian to the sata controller not supported by installer's kernel |
| 11:45.44 | Fabio_Como | user1:site1, user2:site1 user3:site2 and finally i would add www-data:site1 www-data:site2 |
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| 11:46.09 | troubled | [RUsh]: track down a udeb for it perhaps? |
| 11:46.11 | liable | [RUsh]: you get an installer with a newer kernel, or debootstrap from an installer that supports it |
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| 11:46.28 | nvz | troubled: I've been seeing goofy shit in my search history which just made me suspecious but compromising my google account or whatever and running commands on my computer are two different levels of suspecion |
| 11:46.30 | wols | [RUsh]: what sata controller is it? |
| 11:46.39 | [RUsh] | intel ICH9 |
| 11:46.56 | wols | !tell [RUsh] about kmuto |
| 11:47.01 | wols | use that |
| 11:47.06 | troubled | [RUsh]: used to be easier, but debian decided to complicate it but going from standard modules to specially package mini packages for the installer now |
| 11:47.26 | wols | troubled: how does a udeb help with a sata controller? |
| 11:47.33 | wols | since when are kernel modules in udebs? |
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| 11:47.49 | [RUsh] | hmm ok. And is there some info to read about it somewhere? |
| 11:47.52 | troubled | wols: the installer allows you to load modules for hd access during in stall in form of udeb |
| 11:47.58 | SlayerXP | wols: for quite some time |
| 11:48.06 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 11:48.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone know why the RT2500 and RT2400 drivers are only available as source in debian? |
| 11:48.49 | Noboru | i'm currently using 2.6.18-5-686, to get the bigmem version,just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem ? |
| 11:48.53 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: their firmware isn't free |
| 11:48.56 | troubled | wols: for those folks who cant install until the hd is detected. its always been in the installed, usually just a standard module in woody, but changed for sarge/etch to udeb i believe |
| 11:48.56 | flami | Fabio_Como, http://de.php.net/manual/en/features.safe-mode.php |
| 11:48.59 | flami | read this |
| 11:49.00 | wols | at least, you need a BLOB from the windows drivers |
| 11:49.23 | troubled | wols: my Dell poweredge megaraid used to only load with drivers during install in woody actually |
| 11:49.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, fsk. i thought the rt2400 was a properly free driver - i knew about the rt 2500 though |
| 11:49.48 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: no. there is a free driver in the works, which will be hopefully in mainline kernel RSN |
| 11:50.01 | wols | but so far, it isn't. and the rt2400 in debian is still the manufacturer driver |
| 11:50.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, bugger... thought my card was free :| guess i'm off to try and find another one... thanks mate |
| 11:50.37 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: well it is free. if you use the proper driver... |
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| 11:50.49 | wols | unfortunately the driver is still cvs only |
| 11:50.55 | overdose_ | hello, is there an official doc for setting up wifi in debian? |
| 11:51.09 | overdose_ | can't find one :/ |
| 11:51.18 | wols | overdose_: not really. depends on your WLAN chip what you have to do |
| 11:51.23 | wols | too many different ones out there |
| 11:51.36 | overdose_ | i have ipw2100 |
| 11:51.40 | wols | !ipw2100 |
| 11:51.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 11:51.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, hm. still might go and and try to find another, but finding wireless cards without firmware is almost imposable |
| 11:52.05 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: your current one is fine |
| 11:52.11 | overdose_ | hm |
| 11:52.13 | wols | and the new driver will have open firmware IIRC |
| 11:52.28 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: they all have firmware, its just on chip in the old ones |
| 11:52.38 | wols | overdose_: when the driver is loaded /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools |
| 11:52.43 | elbing | gardel o/ |
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| 11:52.48 | overdose_ | ok |
| 11:52.49 | elbing | uys excuse me |
| 11:52.51 | overdose_ | tnx man |
| 11:52.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, sure, but i dont have issues with burned-in firmware. its 'floating' stuff i have issues with |
| 11:52.59 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: the new ath5k driver supports older atheros cards without need for firmware |
| 11:53.24 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: google for serialmonkey. or check the current vanilla krenel sources. might already be in now |
| 11:53.25 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: experimental, but works, and there are a lot of cards with those chips |
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| 11:54.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, cheers, finding it now. |
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| 11:54.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, thats good to know, i might bear that in mind when recomending cards/chipsets |
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| 11:54.56 | overdose_ | hmm, aptitude can't find ipw2100-modules |
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| 11:55.13 | liable | overdose_: its in-kernel since 2.6.15 |
| 11:55.15 | overdose_ | telenetPC:/home/overdose/Desktop/ipw2100-1.2.2# apt-cache search ipw2100 |
| 11:55.16 | overdose_ | telenetPC:/home/overdose/Desktop/ipw2100-1.2.2# |
| 11:55.21 | overdose_ | owkee |
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| 11:55.34 | wols | !info ipw2100-modules |
| 11:55.35 | liable | overdose_: all you need is firmware |
| 11:55.48 | overdose_ | ok |
| 11:56.43 | vasudeva | i've got a month-old build of etch, and just noticed /var/log/btmp exists and is world-readable. any idea what package creates this file? dpkg -S shows that no package explicitly mentions owning it. |
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| 11:58.59 | Noboru | Mem: 4150260k total, yeah with bigmem kernel ,debian founds the actual 4GB RAM |
| 11:59.06 | Noboru | Thank you guys for telling me this :) |
| 11:59.24 | wols | overdose_: etch kernels have the drive built in afaik |
| 11:59.24 | wols | or rather: a module |
| 11:59.24 | wols | 7 overdose_ modrpobe ipw2100 |
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| 12:04.03 | wols | vasudeva: failed logins are recorded there |
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| 12:04.26 | kemean | hello, everyone |
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| 12:04.55 | vasudeva | wols: is /var/log/btmp a generic linux system file? i've just never heard of it. |
| 12:05.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | vasudeva, unix |
| 12:05.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | vasudeva, iirc you can read it and wtmp with 'last' and 'lastb' |
| 12:05.43 | acoustic | w |
| 12:05.52 | kemean | I am a ubuntu user, never used debian, can somebody tell me the difference between ubuntu and debian? Is debian appropriate for desktop? |
| 12:06.05 | vasudeva | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks. |
| 12:06.07 | zamuro | kemean: Google can |
| 12:06.11 | kwadronaut | debian is appropriate for desktop. |
| 12:06.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | kemean, i'm using it on a desktop, and i know lots of others are |
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| 12:06.46 | wols | !why debian |
| 12:06.47 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 12:07.51 | DawnLight | vasudeva: perhaps it's been left over by some package that's been removed. why bother? |
| 12:07.51 | kemean | I just want to use a stable system, lastweek i upgraded my ubuntu to 7.10, and had too many bugs. |
| 12:08.41 | tarzeau | kemean: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 12:08.59 | kemean | let me read |
| 12:09.22 | radius | kemean, imo, i went from kubuntu to debian - much more control over apps and a lot more stable - but just my 2 cents - i recently purchased an amd64 TL60 x2 laptop and my choice was debian amd64 cause it was the only one that installed properly |
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| 12:09.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | tarzeau, not sure you can pass sid off as more stable then a released ubuntu ;) |
| 12:09.47 | Ronin | kemean: debian stable is definitely stable |
| 12:09.48 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: oh right, just replace sid with testing or stable |
| 12:10.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | tarzeau, downgrading packages (to eg stable)? eek. |
| 12:10.36 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: no go right to it, without sid way |
| 12:10.45 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: only works when the debian packages have bigger versions though |
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| 12:11.05 | kemean | Thanks, is debian's repository updated frenquently, and are the software much newer? |
| 12:11.25 | axscode | hi anyone can recommend a book that talks about debian.. more likely geard towards filesystem and architecure and towards firmware development |
| 12:11.44 | tarzeau | kemean: in sid, yes, daily, check buildd.debian.org or incoming.debian.org |
| 12:11.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | tarzeau, that script looks odd - installing then unisntalling deborphan on consecutive lines (whitout running it!) |
| 12:11.57 | tarzeau | kemean: there's also a lot of activity in the bug tracking system: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bts/ |
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| 12:12.07 | kemean | How about etch? |
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| 12:12.15 | Ronin | kemean: in stable no, it only gets security updates and apps are a couple years old |
| 12:12.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | kemean, debian has 3 levels, stable isnt updated often, testing is updated every few days |
| 12:12.23 | wols | kemean: etch is stable and won#t be updated with new versions |
| 12:12.23 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser : it's running it? `deborphan` |
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| 12:12.38 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: noticed the ``? |
| 12:12.54 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: it uninstalls the output of deborphan, not deborphan itself. font problem? bad browser? |
| 12:12.59 | kombi | in the debian mdadm, where is raidhotadd? |
| 12:13.05 | tarzeau | Kamping_Kaiser: don't forget experimental |
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| 12:13.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | tarzeau, missed the `` |
| 12:13.22 | Fabio_Como | which secure (and easy to configure) ftp server suggest me to install on debian? i tryed vsftpd.. probably it's VERY secure.. but not easy to configure.. |
| 12:13.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | that makes a bit more sense |
| 12:14.05 | axscode | hi, can anyone recommend a book that talks about debian.. more likely geard towards filesystem and architecure and towards firmware development |
| 12:14.07 | Ronin | Fabio_Como: vsftp, its quite easy actually, what part did you get lost/confused on? |
| 12:14.09 | kemean | Do you means testing is better for me? Is testing stable too for desktop> |
| 12:14.45 | amphi | kemean: testing is working fine here |
| 12:14.51 | kombi | or, better question, what do I do instead of raidhotadd /dev/md0 /dev/hdb0 (since raidhotadd doesn't seem to be there) ? |
| 12:15.05 | kemean | thanks,I will try it. |
| 12:15.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | kemean, testing is mostly ok, it breaks badly every now and then |
| 12:15.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | in which case, you get both bits |
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| 12:16.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | how long does evolution take to let go of a connection to an imap server? i think its been going almost 30 minutes now |
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| 12:16.59 | kwadronaut | Kamping_Kaiser: you can define that. |
| 12:17.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | kwadronaut, ok |
| 12:17.23 | DawnLight | Ronin: stable as in doesn't change or doesn't have bugs? |
| 12:17.23 | DawnLight | 'cause i've had bugs |
| 12:17.24 | DawnLight | and i wish there were bug fixes in stable |
| 12:17.26 | DawnLight | just to make it more stable |
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| 12:18.02 | kwadronaut | Kamping_Kaiser: you can check whether it should keep connections alive, for how long, when it should check again... etc. |
| 12:18.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, depending on the bug, you should get fixes |
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| 12:19.09 | Ronin | DawnLight: stabe as in its gets security updates/bug fixes, all software has bugs |
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| 12:19.58 | Hoxzer | What file system would be ideal for big video files ? and have quite good revovery possiblities if something gets accidently removed ? |
| 12:20.03 | kwadronaut | anyone got cband (apache module) experience and help me out? http://pastebin.ca/757477 |
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| 12:20.24 | Fabio_Como | Ronin: if i use the "default" config, it's very easy, but i'm quite confused about setting "specific" ftp directory with specific user |
| 12:20.47 | Fabio_Como | i worked on it time ago.. and i remember that it was good to set that users have their own homedir as ftp folder |
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| 12:21.01 | kemean | which version does etch use? can it be upgrade to newer? |
| 12:21.08 | Fabio_Como | but it didn't fllow symbolic links out of their home |
| 12:21.19 | Ronin | kemean: version of what |
| 12:21.30 | kemean | gnome |
| 12:21.39 | Fabio_Como | and when i used the "homedir" vsftpd configuration, i cannot add other "custom" ftp folder |
| 12:21.39 | radius | kemean, my current desktop for my pc --- http://picasaweb.google.com/aprosati/ScreenShots/photo#5127845875940823202 |
| 12:21.41 | kemean | sorry, missing |
| 12:22.50 | Fabio_Como | in few words.. i don't find vsftpd very friendly.. |
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| 12:23.15 | Fabio_Como | i found friendly for example the configuration of apache :D |
| 12:23.18 | Ronin | seems fine as ftp servers go, |
| 12:23.35 | Fabio_Como | vsfptd configuration isn't friendly :D |
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| 12:25.25 | Ronin | Fabio_Como: to each thier own, nice and friendly for me |
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| 12:26.46 | reiser2 | how can i bring eth0 up? |
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| 12:28.03 | Fabio_Como | Ronin: you have any link about configuring "custom" ftp directory in vsftpd? |
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| 12:31.04 | liable | reiser2: ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 12:31.42 | SR|Ultra | Hi there, seems I'm stuck on linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 because of a (proprietary) module that wouldn't compile with 2.6.22 last time I tried |
| 12:31.51 | reiser2 | liable, but there is another to for example get the configuration from dhcp |
| 12:32.05 | epsilon | I have a strange soundcard issue: soundcard is properly installed, recognized by alsa and play back music as root. Bu the user can't access on the device, evrything says device not found. What's wrong? |
| 12:32.19 | SR|Ultra | I'm now looking for the linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 (or linux-source-... if it exists) package, but it doesn't appear to exist in lenny anymore :( |
| 12:32.24 | liable | reiser2: if you want to get a lease, dhclient eth0 |
| 12:32.33 | SR|Ultra | is it possible to get hold of packages that were in lenny but aren't anymore? |
| 12:32.34 | liable | reiser2: man ifconfig, interfaces |
| 12:32.44 | kombi | kombi: mdadm --manage --add /dev/brokenmd /dev/partition |
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| 12:33.06 | SR|Ultra | because, right now, it looks like the only way I can get a "source tree" to match my running kernel is to use make-kpkg |
| 12:33.28 | SR|Ultra | and build the kernel entirely |
| 12:34.04 | liable | snapshot.debian.net |
| 12:34.27 | liable | SR|Ultra: you should at least upgrade to the -5 kernel, as it was a security release |
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| 12:38.34 | sunway | "Failed - Cannot get shared lock on RPM Database" when installing vtune on debian 4.0 |
| 12:39.14 | Ronin | rpm database? |
| 12:40.11 | pumpkin0 | sunway: debian uses an deb DB, not and RPM DB. |
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| 12:41.55 | SlayerXP | sunway: that's not an error message you got from any debian system |
| 12:42.05 | SR|Ultra | liable: ah, OK :) |
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| 12:42.56 | Noboru | i want to do mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables & ,but it says mysqld_safe command not found ? |
| 12:42.58 | sunway | SlayerXP: it is. rpm could still be used in debian system. the vtune installer depends on it. |
| 12:43.30 | SlayerXP | .... |
| 12:44.02 | SlayerXP | Noboru: we don't know, does it? |
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| 12:45.43 | Noboru | SlayerXP, never mind,found the resolution :) |
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| 12:47.11 | n00n3 | hallo |
| 12:47.40 | n00n3 | can someone help me with grub?i have a problem that i cannot solve.... |
| 12:47.46 | Ronin | Fabio_Como: i trust you searched google for tutorials? i found quite a few about what you were trying to do |
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| 12:47.57 | moshii | n00n3: just ask your question |
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| 12:48.46 | n00n3 | :) i have an error 21 at stage 1.5 and i read a lot of things on it... but i still cannot solve it, even if i set the root devce again.... |
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| 12:49.35 | gryfie__ | I'm using Debian Etch. How can I detect, if my sata-disc (detected as sda) is dma turned on? |
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| 12:50.01 | jelly-home | gryfie__: sata drivers use dma by default if they can |
| 12:50.09 | moshii | n00n3: What do those things say.. someone about grub not being able to find the right stage or something? |
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| 12:51.08 | moshii | n00n3: s/someone/something/ |
| 12:51.18 | n00n3 | i read how to reinstall or fix grub |
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| 12:51.39 | n00n3 | but if i set root() and then setup() |
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| 12:52.20 | moshii | n00n3: ... |
| 12:52.30 | n00n3 | the strange thing is that i did the installation of debian and since the first boot i had this error |
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| 12:52.44 | n00n3 | soyy english is not even my mothertong... |
| 12:52.52 | Alarm | hello i installed netbeans and and try now to install the c/C++ package as well. i am asked for the netbeans ide directory . when i enter /usr/bin it doesnt accept it asking me to enter the home dir of netbeans ide again |
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| 12:52.52 | n00n3 | sorry* |
| 12:52.52 | moshii | n00n3: where is /boot located? |
| 12:52.52 | gryfie__ | jelly: I thought, cause buring a cd used complet cpu-power of one core (using core duo (not nore 2 duo)) |
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| 12:53.15 | n00n3 | i have /boot in the same partition of / in sdb1 |
| 12:53.22 | gryfie__ | Not a cd, it was a dvd |
| 12:53.41 | ShADoW_LnX | Hi, theres any command to free Ram? my ram is full an if i close the apps still full, anyone? (sorry about my english) |
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| 12:53.50 | Asmooh | mem |
| 12:53.51 | Asmooh | top |
| 12:54.00 | Asmooh | free |
| 12:54.16 | n00n3 | (so in grub it's hd(1,0) ) |
| 12:54.33 | biz | i got my kernel on /boot, which is a separate partition marked bootable (/dev/sda1), my root fs is reiserfs on /dev/sda3, so when i boot now, i need to append root=/dev/sda3, but when using grub, there is another setting which is currently set to 'root(hd0,0)' that is /dev/sda1 which is my /boot where also the /boot/grub/menu.lst lies. what should i set that grub setting to? |
| 12:54.37 | simonrvn | !free ram |
| 12:54.37 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 12:54.39 | efaistos | does someone know if HP 9400 or 4700 printers work under Linux ? |
| 12:54.40 | ShADoW_LnX | Asmooh: but that way i only see my avaviable ram, i need to free. |
| 12:54.45 | gryfie__ | ShADoW_LnX: The ram may be used (with CACHED files, that are droped, if needed)+ |
| 12:54.52 | simonrvn | ShADoW_LnX: ^^^ |
| 12:55.07 | simonrvn | ShADoW_LnX: mem management is very different in *nix |
| 12:55.19 | moshii | n00n3: ok, that error says that the disc grub is trying for isn't known by the bios |
| 12:55.26 | gryfie__ | or you can kill frozen threads with the kill-comand |
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| 12:56.03 | ShADoW_LnX | simonrvn: is normal to my ram stay at 98 % of use=? |
| 12:56.06 | n00n3 | moshii: but if i go to the bios settings i can se both my hard disks automaticaly recognised |
| 12:56.08 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:56.23 | RedLizard | which package contains a proper target for /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build? i tried a linux-source package, but it only placed the tarball in /usr/src. |
| 12:56.29 | moshii | n00n3: I believe I had a similar problem, the disk had a different id once the kernel had booted |
| 12:56.52 | n00n3 | but that must depend on my hardware configuration... |
| 12:56.52 | ShADoW_LnX | simonrvn: don't slow the system?? |
| 12:56.56 | simonrvn | ShADoW_LnX: what you gotta be cncerned about is how swappy it is |
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| 12:56.59 | moshii | n00n3: are you sure the disk isn't hd0,0? |
| 12:57.02 | simonrvn | concerned* |
| 12:57.05 | n00n3 | because on other computer i had no problem with installation and grub |
| 12:57.23 | Asmooh | ShADoW_LnX, the most "used" ram is cached |
| 12:57.28 | Asmooh | so its "free" but in "use" |
| 12:57.29 | simonrvn | ShADoW_LnX: no. like i said, it's very different |
| 12:57.46 | moshii | n00n3: no, once the kernel is loaded it neither needs nor cares about bios setttings |
| 12:57.50 | SR|Ultra | liable: interesting... |
| 12:57.51 | ShADoW_LnX | Asmooh: ok i understand |
| 12:57.52 | simonrvn | ShADoW_LnX: /msg dpkg free ram |
| 12:58.09 | SR|Ultra | liable: /archive/2007/06/04/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6 contains 2.6.18-5-686... |
| 12:58.10 | n00n3 | moshii: i loaded an ubuntu live cd to boot the system and i mounted the / partition /dev/sdb1 so i guess |
| 12:58.12 | n00n3 | it is correct |
| 12:58.15 | Asmooh | i have 25% of "used" ram and "75% cached" |
| 12:58.22 | Asmooh | but the 75% is free ram |
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| 12:58.36 | SR|Ultra | liable: I added it to sources.list, but I still can't find that package after running apt-get update |
| 12:58.37 | liable | SR|Ultra: yeah. whats interesting about it? |
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| 12:59.08 | liable | SR|Ultra: i dont think its meant to be used like that |
| 12:59.16 | simonrvn | ShADoW_LnX: 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache' from say "free -m" (shows in MB) |
| 12:59.22 | liable | SR|Ultra: did it download a package file for that archive? |
| 12:59.34 | simonrvn | ShADoW_LnX: that's what you have in reality |
| 12:59.36 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 12:59.53 | liable | SR|Ultra: the stable sources have that image, you can just use those. |
| 12:59.56 | n00n3 | moshii: hd(0,0) should be my win2k partition |
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| 13:00.35 | moshii | n00n3: there's a file that maps your kernel devices to bios devices.. you may have to adjust that |
| 13:00.59 | n00n3 | moshii: i dont know about this....which file is it and where? |
| 13:01.30 | SR|Ultra | liable: Get: 31 http://snapshot.debian.net unstable/main Packages [4863kB] |
| 13:01.48 | moshii | n00n3: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Device-map.html |
| 13:02.10 | n00n3 | moshii: thanks.. ill see... |
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| 13:02.25 | moshii | n00n3: your problem boils down to grub not finding the disk,.. if you can't get grub going you could try lilo instead |
| 13:02.45 | liable | SR|Ultra: hrm, i have never use s.d.n like that, i just get whatever package i need and use dpkg to install it. is there a reason why you need it in your sources.list? |
| 13:03.00 | Noboru | where is the config file for mysql in etch ? |
| 13:03.21 | liable | Noboru: in /etc, with all the others |
| 13:03.23 | moshii | Noboru: eh, /etc |
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| 13:03.30 | SR|Ultra | liable: I was just trying to follow the instructions on http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 13:03.30 | CoolCold | hi |
| 13:03.34 | ShADoW_LnX | ok, i understad i been worried becouse my conky show 88% used, and i think "more ram used, more slow the pc" but now i understand thank you |
| 13:03.43 | CoolCold | i'm creating my own package |
| 13:03.46 | Noboru | no there doesnt have one |
| 13:03.48 | CoolCold | and it has cron script |
| 13:03.53 | gryfie__ | ok, I'll come back to the free memorya.... why does it use memory for caching files, and using also swap, instead dropping the cache? |
| 13:03.59 | n00n3 | moshii: i tried lilo but it didn't work... anyway everything the device map files is in the boot partition...but if grub doesn't find the disk how can it read it??? |
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| 13:04.02 | moshii | Noboru: /etc/mysql.. |
| 13:04.05 | Noboru | i remember i should copy the one of three mysql config file to /etc |
| 13:04.08 | SR|Ultra | liable: interestingly, I sometimes see it say "Ign: .... Packages" for some of the sections of s.d.n |
| 13:04.16 | CoolCold | it installs ok, but when i do dpkg -r , cron task still exists in /etc/cron.d/blabla |
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| 13:04.27 | CoolCold | what is "true" way to uninstall it? |
| 13:04.28 | liable | SR|Ultra: if you are adding it to sources, i would imagine you need an apt.conf line for it, then use the -t flag with apt |
| 13:04.31 | moshii | Noboru: um, I think a default on goes in there, by default like |
| 13:04.37 | wols | CoolCold: did you purge? |
| 13:04.52 | CoolCold | no, just -r |
| 13:04.57 | liable | SR|Ultra: just get the deb and install it |
| 13:05.03 | Noboru | moshii, there doesn't have one in /etc/mysql no such directory |
| 13:05.06 | CoolCold | as i understood from man dpkg, purge deletes only conffiles |
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| 13:05.18 | moshii | n00n3: when you do setup on the drive grub is going to map the kernels view of the devices to what the bios sees.. so that has to be correct |
| 13:05.53 | Noboru | moshii, found it,in /usr/local/mysql-5.0.45-linux-i686/ though |
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| 13:06.07 | moshii | Noboru: local.. |
| 13:06.10 | n00n3 | moshii: ok ill try somehow....thanks and i hope to solve it |
| 13:06.16 | moshii | Noboru: that isn't debians mysql |
| 13:06.20 | Noboru | moshii, yeah,arigatou |
| 13:06.31 | ShADoW_LnX | Another questions, 1.- how i can enable a user to use sudo? 2.- is there any way to fluxbox automount my pendrive? |
| 13:06.31 | moshii | Noboru: yorokonde |
| 13:06.42 | moshii | モオオ |
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| 13:06.49 | Noboru | moshii, hmm,yeah maybe the control panel i use has had something changed,so never mind,thanks. |
| 13:06.50 | Fabio_Como | i'm watching proftpd guide.. the configuration file seems to be very similar to apache |
| 13:07.10 | CoolCold | but anyway, wols if purge does this, i should enable checks in my cron script for existance of program |
| 13:07.17 | moshii | Noboru: indeed that control panel would have installed crappy binaries all over the shop |
| 13:08.06 | Noboru | moshii, I see. |
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| 13:10.02 | moshii | Noboru: you should be glad it only stuck stuff in /usr/local.. but it means debian security reports/updates etc won't be valid for your mysql etc.. |
| 13:11.12 | fatalerror | does anyone know how scared I should be of resizing a NTFS partition with d-i? |
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| 13:12.48 | pumpkin0 | fatalerror: backup using dd before you touch it. |
| 13:13.11 | liable | does d-i include parted now? |
| 13:13.36 | axscode | i tried partition magic to resize my ntfs, using winxp runing on the same ntfs.. works fine for me always... |
| 13:14.25 | Asmooh | cool hark_ ipv6 |
| 13:14.54 | ShADoW_LnX | How i can change the language of iceweasel? |
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| 13:15.03 | axscode | babelfish |
| 13:15.06 | axscode | kidding.. |
| 13:15.10 | Asmooh | eh |
| 13:15.13 | Asmooh | preferenses |
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| 13:15.17 | Asmooh | general |
| 13:15.20 | Asmooh | lang |
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| 13:15.32 | _joey | if I have a string in md5 can I display it in ascii? |
| 13:15.34 | Noboru | moshii, hmmm,you mean in my matter,debian security update policy wont detect whether i have mysql installed so willl not do patching thing? |
| 13:15.49 | axscode | its already in asci i think. |
| 13:16.01 | sysadmin-lb | Hi All this might not the place to ask this..but I have a debian server on which I want to install SPAM Assasin..this server is a router/gateway for my network that contains an exchagne server...can spam assasin filter spam before it reaches my mail server ? |
| 13:16.22 | _joey | axscode well, decrypt it I meant |
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| 13:16.51 | moshii | Noboru: the debian packages aren't going to replace files in packages you haven't got installed |
| 13:17.06 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb: yes |
| 13:17.08 | ShADoW_LnX | Asmooh: i dont have that option |
| 13:17.18 | Asmooh | hmmz |
| 13:17.19 | axscode | md5 hash is crackable... though it takes time.. |
| 13:17.19 | Asmooh | :/ |
| 13:17.29 | axscode | might be 1 sec... might be 1 century |
| 13:17.34 | Asmooh | ShADoW_LnX, in general at the bottom of the lasted options |
| 13:17.36 | Asmooh | not a tab |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | axscode: i don't think it's crackable .. but there are intersections |
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| 13:17.58 | axscode | nothing is uncrackable.. i told you maybe it will take centuries |
| 13:18.00 | _joey | axscode what are the popular tools to decrypt md5? |
| 13:18.07 | Givade | where do I have to insert what to allow one computer to use another as an X-server? |
| 13:18.14 | sysadmin-lb | abrotman ...C00l ..thx I will start right away..just one q..does it differ alot from setting up spam assasin for exim4/postfix etc..on a local linux server..or is it the same ? |
| 13:18.20 | Noboru | moshii, what do you mean by 'i haven't got it installed' ? what i dont have it installed yet ? |
| 13:18.48 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb: probably .. www.postfix.org has some docs about email filtering gateways |
| 13:19.22 | axscode | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 <-- the day routers died.. check this out.. posted in #linux |
| 13:19.30 | moshii | Noboru: you haven't used debians packages for mysql, so the mysql you have installed isn't registered anywhere, and as far as apt,dpkg etc are concerned doesnt exist |
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| 13:20.20 | Noboru | moshii, I see,many thanks,i will check how this panel works . |
| 13:20.20 | xingu | yum, salt beef sarnies for lunch; today's bread, straight from the boiled brisket, direct to tummy. |
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| 13:20.45 | sysadmin-lb | abrotman: Well I will have to try it then..I will post back results in an hour or so |
| 13:20.45 | sysadmin-lb | thx |
| 13:20.56 | Alarm | hello i installed netbeans and and try now to install the c/C++ package as well. i am asked for the netbeans ide directory . when i enter /usr/bin it doesnt accept it asking me to enter the home dir of netbeans ide again |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb: probably going to take a bit more than an hour :) |
| 13:21.16 | moshii | Noboru: I'd guess that your panel has installed its own copies of apache etc in /usr/local too,.. nightmare |
| 13:21.17 | ShADoW_LnX | Asmooh: http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6015/20071101800x600hs4.jpg |
| 13:21.30 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb: you have to be careful .. if you screw it up .. your mail won't get delivered :) |
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| 13:21.58 | Noboru | moshii, ok. |
| 13:22.01 | Asmooh | oohh |
| 13:22.03 | Asmooh | ShADoW_LnX, |
| 13:22.06 | Asmooh | advanced |
| 13:22.08 | Asmooh | sorry :) |
| 13:22.13 | ShADoW_LnX | Asmooh: ok |
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| 13:24.04 | Fabio_Como | i have a little problem with "nano" i setup nano to backup files in ~/nano |
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| 13:24.45 | Fabio_Como | if i do "nano test", it backups correcly.. but when i do "sudo nano test" it backups in the specific file directory and not in the ~/nano |
| 13:25.51 | Fabio_Como | oh.. i'm idiot |
| 13:27.04 | biz | do i really need a initrd if my root fs is compiled into the kernel and the /boot fs is also compiled in? what if grub does not support the root fs, but supports the /boot fs? that should be enough, since the kernel takes on to mount /? |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | biz: that's up to you .. |
| 13:29.19 | moshii | biz: the debian initrd has a small "if shit happens" environment that can be useful too |
| 13:29.25 | biz | abrotman: well actually i'm fighting with grub because i get a kernel panic on boot, stating that it can't mount the root vfs.. any ideas why? the root fs is compiled into the kernel |
| 13:30.28 | biz | however, i just forgot to install the userland tools.. are they needed to mount the fs? i thought they are only needed to mkfs/fsck/debug an fs and not to mount it |
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| 13:30.58 | moshii | biz: that'd be the kernel saying it can't mount the root fs.. |
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| 13:33.09 | biz | moshii: anyways i think this is grub related because tha grub naming scheme appears anywhere near.. have to boot thin machine now to see it again.. |
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| 13:34.13 | moshii | biz: most probably you're passing the wrong root option to the kernel hence it can't find the root fs, or you have missed something you need to acces that fs |
| 13:34.57 | biz | moshii: i don't think the kernel panics if a userland tool is missing, especially at that stage since the rootfs is not even mounted so there are no userland tools availabe. root=/dev/sda3, and indeed, it is sda3 |
| 13:35.28 | biz | perhaps udev does something wrong and sda is not availabse |
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| 13:35.33 | biz | available |
| 13:35.34 | moshii | biz: eh? didn't say anything about "userland".. at that stage you don't have one |
| 13:35.37 | wols | is the sata controller compiled in too |
| 13:36.06 | pumpkin0 | can growisofs create .iso files ? |
| 13:36.12 | biz | i think so.. i'll boot a failsafe and check the config |
| 13:36.46 | wols | if the failsafe kernel worls and your custom doesn't: you fucked up your kernel compile |
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| 13:36.53 | moshii | biz: if you're running a debian kernel you should use the initrd/initramfs it builds |
| 13:37.08 | biz | moshii: its a vanilla |
| 13:37.14 | abrotman | biz: you missed something! |
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| 13:37.26 | biz | yeah :-D |
| 13:38.48 | moshii | biz: built from source? yeah you missed something/don't understand grub ;) |
| 13:39.09 | abrotman | biz: why are you compiling a kernel instead of using the debian one? |
| 13:39.28 | axscode | anyways, anyone happen to know any books about debian, geared towards architecture and chaintools morelikely a devkit for embeded platform... |
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| 13:41.11 | biz | the sata controller support is compiled in, but i've compiled the whole IDE support as modules since i don't have any pata drives and no cdrom, just some sata disks... perhaps thats my mistake? is the ide block device support needed for sata to work? |
| 13:42.10 | wols | no |
| 13:42.12 | moshii | biz: no, sata uses scsi subsystem-i-stuff |
| 13:42.25 | biz | scsi subsystem are modules, too |
| 13:42.32 | wols | biz: what is the exact wrror? |
| 13:42.34 | moshii | biz: but if you don't know about that, why are you bulding a kernel... gah |
| 13:42.51 | wols | moshii: do you have to ask? |
| 13:43.42 | moshii | wols: that special fuzzy feeling? |
| 13:43.51 | biz | well not everybody is born and knows everything ;-) mistakes are the best way to learn.. |
| 13:44.00 | biz | wols: wait, i'll boot it again |
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| 13:44.43 | moshii | biz: yep, but the debian kerenl packages are good, there's no point wasting electricity and killing countless dolphins in the process |
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| 13:46.49 | tarzeau | moshii: sometimes debian kernels don't work |
| 13:47.02 | xingu | yeah; so sit down, shut up, put those dangerous thoughts away, and _consume_ |
| 13:47.18 | xingu | that means you too tarzeau; dumb it down a little, will ya? |
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| 13:48.32 | moshii | tarzeau: but most of the time they do, and I doubt thats the case here |
| 13:48.35 | tarzeau | xingu: hardware support for very new stuff? |
| 13:48.56 | xlotlu | what's the equivalent of ~/.qt/qtrc for qt4? |
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| 13:49.41 | pookey | hi all - how do you install a specific versino of a package, for exmaple, if a repository provides both 1.1 and 2.1 of a package, and I want 1.1 |
| 13:50.03 | stew | pookey: aptitude install packages=version |
| 13:50.05 | tarzeau | some people use a later kernel than what debian ships: curl http://popcon.debian.org/unknown/by_inst | grep linux-image-2.6.23 | head -100 |
| 13:50.39 | pookey | stew: can you do that via apt? aptitude isnt' available on my system |
| 13:50.53 | xingu | tarzeau: I always do ;) |
| 13:50.57 | stew | pookey: apt-get install packages=version |
| 13:51.04 | tarzeau | xingu: also on non-i386/amd64 ? |
| 13:51.06 | pookey | stew: thanks a lot |
| 13:51.10 | tarzeau | xingu: without initrd? |
| 13:51.20 | xingu | tarzeau: just amd64, and I've grown to love the goat that is initrd |
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| 13:51.46 | tarzeau | xingu: and nvidia drivers? and other kernel modules, say kqemu? |
| 13:51.55 | tarzeau | xingu: using make-kpkg/kernel-package i hope? |
| 13:52.27 | xingu | tarzeau: its what I do for fun, keeping the nose close to the gizzards keeps me up to date wrt the design issues involved - and that I find pretty transferrable across platforms, let alone arch's. |
| 13:52.47 | biz | i've made an own deb kernel package because /msg dpkg reiser4 was such a great help... |
| 13:52.50 | xingu | tarzeau: yup yup and yup, where there's an easier/ more reproducable way, that's the one I pick |
| 13:53.02 | ziyax | is there a way to install apache 2.2.6 on etch? |
| 13:53.19 | ziyax | (as a package) |
| 13:53.27 | xingu | tarzeau: I don't go as far as repackaging upstream nvidia, I wait for the maint to do the donkey work :) |
| 13:53.33 | tarzeau | xingu: check http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/kqemu-module |
| 13:53.49 | tarzeau | xingu: and i can't wait for him: http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/nvidia-driver |
| 13:54.06 | tarzeau | xingu: do you also use kernels like http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/patch-2.6.24-rc1.bz2 ? |
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| 13:55.00 | wols | biz: we're still waiting for the error message |
| 13:55.03 | xingu | tarzeau: sometimes; generally I'm happy enough to just browse the changelogs unless something looks interesting enough |
| 13:55.10 | DeFirence | DawnLight: hello |
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| 13:56.15 | xingu | tarzeau: but there's too much that happens during rc1-rc3 to let you get away with *not* checkpointing at least at each release; or my tiny brain and I find it so, anyway |
| 13:56.15 | biz | wols: rre |
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| 13:57.32 | xingu | tarzeau: it'd be cute if you threw together a tool like kpkg, for the nvidia driver ;) |
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| 13:57.58 | tarzeau | xingu: the init.d scripts are not enough? |
| 13:58.00 | xingu | tarzeau: you're going to get bitten one day, by the lack of deps, there |
| 13:58.19 | tarzeau | xingu: yes it can happen, but not for the kqemu-module (it's making a .deb) |
| 13:58.19 | xingu | tarzeau: ie, eventually you'll reach a point where rev-- leaves lint, and rev++ explodes as a result |
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| 13:58.32 | xingu | tarzeau: specifically for nvidia |
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| 13:58.37 | tarzeau | xingu: it happens when debian security makes new x versions, so nvidia module needs a rebuild |
| 13:59.46 | xingu | tarzeau: yep; I've been bitten with a slight snafu with alternatives incorrectly going after mesa .a's rather than .so's also; so it didn't divert the xorg glx.so, which caused some interesting performance artifacts ;) |
| 14:00.03 | biz | wols: sorry. here is the output: VFS: cannot open root device /dev/sda3 or unknown-block(0,0) <-- this is what pointed me to grub due to the naming. next line: Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 14:00.15 | xingu | tarzeau: didn't even know until I went rooting around in xorg's extensions dir picking at each file/link. |
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| 14:00.45 | biz | wols: what is that unknown-block(0,0)? isn't that grub related? |
| 14:01.04 | wols | biz: nothing the kernel says is grub related |
| 14:01.20 | wols | when the kernel (and initrd if you have one) is laoded, grub is over and done |
| 14:01.28 | biz | ok |
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| 14:01.31 | xingu | tarzeau: have you switched on OnDemandVBlankInterrupts yet? new in 100.14.19 if you didn't already notice. |
| 14:01.41 | wols | what is your sata controller and how does your .config look like? |
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| 14:02.12 | tarzeau | xingu: no didn't, what is it good for? |
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| 14:02.42 | wols | correction: the kernel parameter is grub (menu.lst) related. but that looks fine here unless you have a PATA disk that doesn't use libata |
| 14:02.42 | xingu | tarzeau: default is to generate vblank interrupt always; this will pull nvidia wakeups out of powertop's most-evil list. |
| 14:02.56 | tarzeau | xingu: ah i got it |
| 14:03.04 | tarzeau | xingu: but if not on laptop, who cares? |
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| 14:03.25 | xingu | tarzeau: mother gaia |
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| 14:03.31 | biz | wols: its an nforce board and all sata drivers needed are compiled in, really seems like the missing scsi support is the cause of the trouble |
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| 14:03.46 | tarzeau | wols: do you have tickless kernels? |
| 14:04.01 | xingu | tarzeau: also, you mentioned 2.6.24rc1 - I think some of the sata transports in that guy support link power management |
| 14:04.13 | wols | no one is allowed to tickle me |
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| 14:04.17 | blinx | I have a luks encrypted home partition |
| 14:04.27 | xingu | tarzeau: now that really *can* be good on the mW-saving side of things; and power saved, means heat not generated |
| 14:04.28 | blinx | now I want to resize it, I want to make it bigger |
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| 14:04.46 | tarzeau | xingu: you mean these? 10.3% (183.7) <interrupt> : nvidia |
| 14:04.52 | xingu | tarzeau: so for all applications, not just mobile ones, it's worth wrapping your brain around the quasi-science of tdp |
| 14:04.55 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme, how do i install flash plugin for firefox on debian ? |
| 14:04.58 | xingu | tarzeau: yup |
| 14:05.06 | wols | !tell deadbeef about flash |
| 14:05.07 | deadbeef | apt-get install flash-nonfree doesn't work |
| 14:05.23 | wols | !tell deadbeef about doesn't work |
| 14:05.28 | tarzeau | xingu: i should look at it i guess, i have 50 machines with nvidia driver |
| 14:05.58 | tarzeau | deadbeef: no? etch? |
| 14:06.06 | xingu | tarzeau: doesn't even register on my powertop now; and this is with both compiz-fusion, and __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 |
| 14:06.08 | blinx | should I resize the partition where the luks container is located in? |
| 14:06.31 | deadbeef | so no flash in etch |
| 14:06.33 | deadbeef | amazing |
| 14:06.47 | wols | deadbeef: what gave you that wrong idea? |
| 14:06.50 | deadbeef | looks like stoneage |
| 14:06.51 | blinx | then I use resize2fs .... to make the mounted luks partition bigger?? |
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| 14:06.59 | tarzeau | deadbeef: yes there is |
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| 14:07.07 | deadbeef | !tell wols about flash |
| 14:07.07 | xingu | tarzeau: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=119368443305332&w=2 - seriously, this can save you some wattage |
| 14:07.15 | tarzeau | deadbeef: install it yourself, it's not on the cds anyways |
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| 14:07.20 | tarzeau | deadbeef: and i386 only |
| 14:07.30 | xingu | tarzeau: and current equals heat equals more wattage to cool... vicious, bad, avoid. :) |
| 14:07.50 | wols | deadbeef: learn to read. ALL of it |
| 14:08.03 | wols | deadbeef: it's also in backports |
| 14:08.09 | blinx | no one with luks experience here? |
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| 14:08.59 | xingu | tarzeau: normal business-as-usual, my workstation spends about 75-80% of the time in c3-state, and I don't even have tickless, yet |
| 14:09.00 | deadbeef | !tell deadbeef backports |
| 14:09.10 | wols | !tell deadbeef about selftell |
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| 14:09.47 | xingu | tarzeau: oh, the other one that's surprisingly hungry, are 1000base transceivers; same part, downclocked to 100base, can save some more power/heat |
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| 14:10.04 | tarzeau | xingu: we really need gbit internet |
| 14:10.19 | xingu | tarzeau: fair do |
| 14:10.21 | tarzeau | xingu: and even that can be too annoyingly slow at times |
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| 14:10.36 | ronr | how can I add the unstable repository to my sources.list but make sure that apt-get will keep all my packages stable except for the few I need from unstable (and those depending on those)? |
| 14:10.36 | xingu | tarzeau: 10GE is too slow :) |
| 14:10.46 | tarzeau | xingu: you have 10GE? |
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| 14:11.01 | tarzeau | ronr: use backports? |
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| 14:11.11 | xingu | tarzeau: not at home, but yes |
| 14:11.35 | ronr | tarzeau: I want the newest php packages, there're not in backports (www.backports.org) |
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| 14:12.05 | xingu | tarzeau: snmp collector farm linked to a warehouse/ aggregation point; size of the datasets makes it pretty much mandatory, it wouldn't get through a day's data in a day, without. |
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| 14:12.15 | tarzeau | ronr: one thing you could do is setup sid sources.list (telnet linuks.mine.nu), apt-get update; apt-get install php; then install the stable ones again (maybe it works, maybe not) |
| 14:12.36 | tarzeau | ronr: if a security hole is found, your problem (you won't get the fixes from sid, nor anywhere) |
| 14:12.57 | tarzeau | xingu: how much mb/s do you get through it? |
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| 14:13.09 | tarzeau | xingu: i get 100 megabytes/s through my gbit cards on linux |
| 14:13.51 | ronr | tarzeau: ok, thanks, I'll give that a shot (since I use an unstable box for development I'll notice any updates) |
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| 14:16.13 | ribnitz | heyas. |
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| 14:17.00 | axscodes | question... if a have a root.img, how can i make that as the filesystem of my toolchain. debian toolchain |
| 14:17.16 | ribnitz | I have problems with alsa (sid, k.2.6.22, upd as of today). I have an onboard sound, and a PCI soundcard. The pci soundcard (CMIPCI) does not work. |
| 14:17.18 | simonrvn | eh? |
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| 14:18.36 | xingu | tarzeau: about 8 gbit/s tx, and full 10gbit/s on rx |
| 14:18.40 | rubymonk | Hello everyone :) |
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| 14:19.47 | ziyax | is there a way to install apache 2.2.6 on etch? |
| 14:19.48 | rubymonk | Say... I do something like this: chroot /mnt/test mount -a It will create the chrooted env, mount -a then leave. will everything keep mounted or will it all be umounted at leaving ? |
| 14:19.49 | tarzeau | xingu: nice |
| 14:19.58 | xingu | tarzeau: bespoke tcp proto, nearest thing to it would be http; is designed to schlurp data out of object-relational db at the collector end, and squirt into oracle db at the aggregator end |
| 14:20.01 | tarzeau | xingu: and you don't have a huge number of small files? |
| 14:20.17 | kwadronaut | hi i'm looking for a nice tool to monitor total network traffic *in* a linuxvserver. so i don't have access to the host, and can't use iptables for it. The only resource of that information would be /proc/net/dev so i need some tool that looks at that. Any ideas? |
| 14:20.37 | voltel | anyone have an idea why icewm's winoptions tray doesn't seem to work with audacious or seamonkey? |
| 14:20.43 | xingu | tarzeau: nope; basically amounts to walking every single collecting instance at the collector end, aggregating the bucket, and sending the result; then next object, and so on. |
| 14:20.46 | simonrvn | kwadronaut: cat ;p |
| 14:20.56 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:20.56 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd91 is <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
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| 14:21.30 | xingu | tarzeau: so your 1s buckets with intra-second collection skew info etc get turned into 5s,60s "average"'s/aggregates |
| 14:21.42 | kwadronaut | simonrvn: uhm right. but ... if i want it per month and such. ncurses is fine, no need for graphs though. i *could* cut -f 2 .... but there might be someone who already tested and wrote something good? |
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| 14:21.58 | simonrvn | is it just me, or is half the stuff going on in here incomprehensible? |
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| 14:22.06 | Ronin | simonrvn: not just you |
| 14:22.07 | DeFirence | !chkconfig |
| 14:22.08 | dpkg | chkconfig is probably if you are looking for chkconfig try man update-rc.d |
| 14:22.16 | xingu | tarzeau: not strictly an average, the code corrects for timing skew, as well as marks suspect samples so that the aggregator can take a second opinion |
| 14:22.47 | xingu | tarzeau: all good fun, pays the bills, that sort of thing |
| 14:23.02 | simonrvn | kwadronaut: seriously, you could probably use snmp or collect that data from there, and do some simple processing |
| 14:23.20 | xingu | tarzeau: here's a link for you - http://blogs.sun.com/puresee/entry/10_gigabit_ethernet_on_ultrasparc |
| 14:23.31 | overdose_ | hello, i wanted to use lilo instead of grub, so i deleted grub and apt-get lilo, but no /sbin/lilo? |
| 14:23.46 | overdose_ | even no /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 14:24.42 | simonrvn | Ronin: ok, i was wondering if the cold or lack of coffee was getting to me or not |
| 14:24.58 | simonrvn | one of those days i guess |
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| 14:25.28 | xingu | kwadronaut: cricket/rrdtool, snmpd |
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| 14:25.57 | xoz | overdose_: dpkg -L lilo |
| 14:25.58 | simonrvn | xingu: details, details :P |
| 14:26.04 | overdose_ | xoz: tnx |
| 14:26.16 | xingu | kwadronaut: rrdtool is the database; cricket both collects and graphs; and snmpd is the frickin obvious |
| 14:26.22 | overdose_ | telenetPC:/usr/src/linux# dpkg -L lilo |
| 14:26.23 | overdose_ | Pakket `lilo' bevat geen bestanden (!) |
| 14:26.28 | xoz | overdose_: or do apt-get install --reinstall lilo |
| 14:26.34 | overdose_ | k |
| 14:26.40 | simonrvn | LANG=C dpkg -L lilo; and please don't paste here |
| 14:26.48 | overdose_ | sorry |
| 14:27.12 | simonrvn | np |
| 14:28.00 | overdose_ | still no /etc/lilo.conf |
| 14:28.11 | xingu | tarzeau: those t5220's are thunderingly fast, io-wise. :) |
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| 14:28.22 | xoz | overdose_: check /usr/share/doc/lilo/ |
| 14:28.26 | FastPutty | i cannot use the command mail whatpackage i do i have to use |
| 14:28.28 | ronr | tarzeau: looks like that work exactly as planned |
| 14:28.35 | ronr | tarzeau: thanks |
| 14:28.47 | overdose_ | ah, i have liloconfig |
| 14:29.20 | stew | FastPutty: mailx |
| 14:29.26 | tarzeau | xingu: you use them with debian, linux? |
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| 14:29.43 | kwadronaut | xingu: ta |
| 14:29.53 | xingu | tarzeau: heathen; of course not :) |
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| 14:31.47 | simonrvn | !tell GuySoft -about root |
| 14:32.02 | FastPutty | stew: thanks |
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| 14:34.58 | mne | hi. i added another (identical) HDD to my machine and would now like to use it as software raid-1 (so that it mirrors the disk that's already in the machine). Can you suggest a good manual how to set up raid-1 on an already installed/running machine ? |
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| 14:35.17 | simonrvn | tldp.org's raid howto |
| 14:35.22 | simonrvn | the new one |
| 14:35.33 | mne | simonrvn, thanks |
| 14:36.26 | rubymonk | mne, Backup your data :) |
| 14:36.27 | mne | simonrvn, the howto v1.1, 2004-06-03 ? is this the "new" one ? |
| 14:36.37 | simonrvn | er, sec |
| 14:36.47 | rubymonk | Say... I do something like this: chroot /mnt/test mount -a It will create the chrooted env, mount -a then leave. will everything keep mounted or will it all be umounted at leaving ? |
| 14:36.48 | mne | rubymonk, already done ;) |
| 14:37.18 | stew | rubymonk: it will remain mounted |
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| 14:37.38 | rubymonk | ok, nice, so next chroot'ed command can count on it |
| 14:37.40 | rubymonk | Thanks :) |
| 14:37.49 | simonrvn | mne: june 2004 yeh |
| 14:37.57 | mne | simonrvn, ok, thanks. |
| 14:38.03 | simonrvn | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
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| 14:38.23 | mne | simonrvn, hope everything will work fine and i won't have to restore from backup :P |
| 14:38.36 | simonrvn | it's pretty easy actually |
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| 14:39.19 | CuBe0wL | hi all! is anybody familiar with the debian KDE4 live cd? |
| 14:39.41 | xingu | simonrvn: I've been thinking about using the dm delayed write target and iscsi, to get delayed write-behind mirroring-over-wlan on my notebook :) |
| 14:39.43 | CuBe0wL | ah, now I see, #debian-live |
| 14:39.56 | CuBe0wL | and OFTC :f |
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| 14:42.07 | simonrvn | xingu: heh |
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| 14:43.29 | biz | can i build a x86_64 kernel on a 32bit system with a 32bit userland? |
| 14:43.45 | gryfie__ | ok.... I've checked my root-filesystem in single mode (unmunted) with fsck.ext3 -ck /dev/sda9 |
| 14:44.00 | gryfie__ | everytime it tells me, it was modify and I should reboot |
| 14:44.06 | gryfie__ | after the next reboot,. |
| 14:44.20 | gryfie__ | it tells me also, it was modified |
| 14:44.21 | mne | simonrvn, hmm, i found how to set up raid in the manual. but as far as i understand that will also erase _both_ disks. however, i would like to use the first disk and mirror is to the second disk |
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| 14:45.08 | gryfie__ | Could it be, that my harddisc is faulty after every reboot ? |
| 14:45.21 | torgrimt | mne: install on 1 drive, setup raid with 1 failed drive(you can set that in cfgfile), find |cpio old -> new , and reboot on that raid drive. then just change in the configfile that its no longer failed, and it will rebuild |
| 14:45.26 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 14:45.42 | mne | torgrimt, hehe, ok, thanks |
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| 14:46.03 | torgrimt | mne: i have done it loads of time, works really nice ;) |
| 14:46.11 | mne | thanks |
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| 14:46.26 | mne | hope it works here too ;) the cfg file you mean is /etc/raidtab i guess |
| 14:46.32 | torgrimt | mne: yes |
| 14:46.35 | simonrvn | !mdadm |
| 14:46.35 | mne | ok |
| 14:46.39 | simonrvn | bah |
| 14:46.55 | stew | mne: rebuild the initrd before each reboot |
| 14:46.57 | mne | yes, i'll read the manpage :P |
| 14:47.13 | torgrimt | i cant stand inintrd so i build my own kernels without it ;) |
| 14:47.14 | stew | (assuming you are going to be booting into raid) |
| 14:47.28 | mne | yep, i'll have everything except swap on raid |
| 14:47.31 | torgrimt | /dev/md0 33G 20G 12G 62% / |
| 14:47.33 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 14:47.33 | stew | torgrimt: you must not have /boot on raid then? |
| 14:47.35 | mne | theres something in the raid manual |
| 14:47.39 | torgrimt | stew: not anymore |
| 14:47.48 | mne | describing how to do the initrd stuff |
| 14:47.49 | stew | torgrimt: becuase you must have initrd otherwise |
| 14:47.52 | torgrimt | just compile raid static into the kernel |
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| 14:48.16 | torgrimt | i find that easier, but i guess initrd also works |
| 14:48.19 | mne | i guess the stock kernel has raid compiled in ? |
| 14:48.30 | torgrimt | donno ;) |
| 14:48.31 | stew | mne: its got raid compiled as a module |
| 14:48.33 | simonrvn | there's some stuff i build into the kernel, that's one of them (raid 1) |
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| 14:48.42 | simonrvn | yeh, modular |
| 14:48.43 | mne | hmm, ok |
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| 14:49.10 | techouse | can anyone name me a good 3d chess game for kde? |
| 14:49.16 | torgrimt | might be im wastin my time, but i prefer to have myown kernel builds |
| 14:49.27 | xingu | torgrimt: if you put the immortal line, INITRD=YES, into /etc/kernel-pkg.conf, then initramfs-tools will do pretty much everything that needs doing, at dpkg -i linux-image-... time. |
| 14:49.30 | torgrimt | then i also have the src to the funning kernel lying around for other drivers also ;) |
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| 14:50.09 | torgrimt | i guess what i dont like...is that i dont know how it works ;) |
| 14:50.12 | torgrimt | and im used to skip it |
| 14:51.11 | mne | hmm, actually i don't need raid in the kernel. since i have to use initrd, i can also use the module inside the initrd ;) |
| 14:51.21 | stew | torgrimt: its just a cpio archive wich an init script that modprobes and starts raid/lvm/whatever needs to be started, then mounts the real / and hands over to the real init |
| 14:51.28 | mne | that's at least how it works on one of my other debian machines ;) |
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| 14:51.58 | stew | mne: yes, and thus you have to rebuild your initrd before you boot to raid, since your current initrd, would have no reason to contain raid stuff now |
| 14:52.06 | mne | right |
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| 14:52.38 | xingu | torgrimt: what stew said, and not only that, you'll find that debianised things like the lvm setup will add to initramfs-tools framework, so that most of what they need done in early boot, just err is. |
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| 14:53.24 | xingu | torgrimt: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/... if you really want to eyeball the shellscript that runs at build time, or, within the built initrd at boot time |
| 14:53.29 | torgrimt | you are for sureright ;) |
| 14:53.35 | torgrimt | its just an old habit |
| 14:53.46 | xingu | torgrimt: as you'd expect, there's also /etc/initramfs-tools/ for site-locals. |
| 14:54.11 | xingu | torgrimt: give it a whirl sometime, worst-case, you just back off to your last known good, right? |
| 14:54.20 | torgrimt | indeed i will |
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| 14:54.31 | torgrimt | setting up some new quad dual core boxses now |
| 14:54.37 | torgrimt | err, dual quad core ;) |
| 14:54.40 | torgrimt | confusing |
| 14:54.46 | torgrimt | maybe i should take the time to play with it |
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| 14:55.09 | taneli | how do i automatically log off users? with pam_something? |
| 14:55.16 | xingu | torgrimt: the nice thing about getting it working, is you can then park /boot on *removable* storage, like usb-key, or mmc, or whatever. |
| 14:55.35 | torgrimt | dual quad core dosent make compiling the kernel anymore fun. when i first started with linux it would take like 4-5 hours to compile |
| 14:55.41 | xingu | torgrimt: so kernel upgrade is a case of ship commodity flash part to site, offline system, swap, online system; and revert, is just swap back |
| 14:55.43 | torgrimt | now its done in under 1 minute ;) |
| 14:56.36 | xingu | torgrimt: you know about CONCURRENCY_LEVEL= for make-kpkg, too, right? and you know you can also set this, in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf ? |
| 14:57.08 | torgrimt | mkey |
| 14:57.32 | xingu | torgrimt: it's how ... -j n ... gets passed by make-kpkg to the kernel make at build time |
| 14:57.59 | torgrimt | i just use make -j9 bzImage |
| 14:58.15 | xingu | make-kpkg is a good thing. :) |
| 14:58.40 | FastPutty | ls -al |
| 14:58.43 | FastPutty | oops |
| 14:58.48 | xingu | panic! |
| 14:58.49 | torgrimt | password: |
| 14:58.50 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 14:59.01 | axscode | hi, what are the file extension that are for device drivers? |
| 14:59.14 | sysadmin-lb | Hi I am trying to install postfix..when I try to start it i get a fatal error 0.0.0.0:25 in use..I did a netstat and I got the following relevant result |
| 14:59.25 | sysadmin-lb | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3803/tcpserver |
| 14:59.29 | drc | taneli: 4.10.15 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html |
| 14:59.43 | stew | axscode: .ko |
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| 14:59.46 | FastPutty | sysadmin-lb: verify what program use the port 25 |
| 15:00.00 | FastPutty | sysadmin: you have another mail server running |
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| 15:00.10 | sysadmin-lb | ok ..I got it it is qmail |
| 15:00.16 | sysadmin-lb | but when I did apt-get remove qmail |
| 15:00.20 | sysadmin-lb | it said that qmail is not installed |
| 15:00.29 | axscode | stew: all for device is .ko ? do it have other device driver that are external? or not .ko ? or do the device needs and external files? |
| 15:00.32 | sysadmin-lb | although netstat says it is qmail |
| 15:00.52 | stew | axscode: i don't understand what you are asking. can you be more specific? |
| 15:01.16 | axscode | stew: do a device, needs other files asside from .ko's? |
| 15:01.21 | stew | sysadmin-lb: it's probably installed from source, not from a debian package, which isn't suprising, since qmail isnt' in debian |
| 15:01.32 | stew | axscode: some need firmware |
| 15:02.03 | axscode | stew: its a PCI device card. what is the firmware for? |
| 15:02.09 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb: fuser -n tcp 25 |
| 15:02.25 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb: match the process with ps aux | grep <pid> |
| 15:03.25 | harpal | I have three interface and I have 1st for lan, 2nd for internet connection and 3rd for servers but I have internet connection working perfectly on lan but I cant ping from server and my internet connection still not working |
| 15:03.39 | sysadmin-lb | abrotman /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd |
| 15:03.41 | stew | axscode: firmware is software used by the hardware at runtime. some hardware needs the firmware to be reloaded each time the unit is initialized |
| 15:03.46 | abrotman | sysadmin-lb: guess it's still running :) |
| 15:03.47 | sysadmin-lb | it is qmail indeed |
| 15:04.21 | sysadmin-lb | well on /etc/init.d/qmail does not exist nor does anything similar I tried tabbing and searching |
| 15:04.31 | sysadmin-lb | however I installed the @mail package once |
| 15:04.37 | sysadmin-lb | so I think it was compiled from source |
| 15:04.42 | axscode | ok.. a firmware is a controlling software for the device? asside from driver? |
| 15:04.43 | sysadmin-lb | how can I rmove it ? |
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| 15:05.42 | stew | sysadmin-lb: figure out exactly how it was installed, if it was installed from source, see if the source comes with uninstall instructions. if not. manually remove all of the files that were installed when qmail was installed |
| 15:06.24 | axscode | stew: its like a utility for that device? meaning by run-time is when the os already booted up completely |
| 15:07.00 | stew | axscode: no its not a utility, yes, after the os is booted up completely |
| 15:07.22 | axscode | stew: ok.. maybe my question is.. is that run by the driver? or init? |
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| 15:08.06 | stew | axscode: its run by the hardware itself. its loaded by udev or hotplug. |
| 15:08.13 | stew | axscode: what device are you having trouble with? |
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| 15:08.45 | rklassen | after upgrading to etch all my ethX device names changed. is this a udev/hotplug function and how do I turn it off? |
| 15:08.47 | FastPutty | sysadmin-lb: kill all qmail process. it will close ur port 25 |
| 15:09.02 | stew | rklassen: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:09.04 | nollan_ | how can i change my keyboardlayot w/o "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" | i.e wich file should i alter? |
| 15:09.13 | abrotman | FastPutty: and when the system reboots .. it may try to start it again |
| 15:09.27 | FastPutty | abrotman: remove it from rc |
| 15:09.28 | stew | nollan_: /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 15:09.34 | axscode | stew: i have this embeded board. it has a pci dvb card on it. its a proprietary card. but its a transmit dvb card. problem is i want to create a toolchain and able to run the device again. |
| 15:09.39 | nollan_ | stew, thanks |
| 15:09.48 | harpal | Any one has know why I cant ping to internet from eth2? |
| 15:09.53 | abrotman | FastPutty: you mean .. kind of like "find the files it installed and remove them" .. smart thinking |
| 15:10.05 | FastPutty | abortman haha |
| 15:10.10 | abrotman | harpal: does eth2 have a usable route to the internet ? |
| 15:10.12 | rklassen | <stew> muito obrigado. |
| 15:10.21 | axscode | stew: the device is using a cramfs root.img... root.img = / of the embeded.. i want to create the root.img as the toolchain could that be possible.. |
| 15:10.22 | Asmooh | is there a debian "sid" logo? |
| 15:10.30 | FastPutty | harpal: #iptables |
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| 15:11.00 | stew | axscode: i dont' know what you mean by toolchain |
| 15:11.03 | harpal | FastPutty, means ask in #iptables? |
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| 15:11.15 | FastPutty | harpal: yes since it a iptables rules |
| 15:11.15 | abrotman | harpal: are you even using iptables ? |
| 15:11.32 | taneli | drc: timeoutd was what I was looking for, thanks |
| 15:11.33 | stew | harpal: can you put the output of "ifconfig ; route -n" into a pastebin? |
| 15:11.39 | FastPutty | harpal: you could try other forwarding program... |
| 15:11.44 | axscode | stew: toolchain is that the development environment for the target embeded device |
| 15:11.52 | abrotman | FastPutty: he's not asking to forward .. he's asking why he can't ping the internet |
| 15:12.13 | FastPutty | abrotman: he said he cant ping from eth 2 to wan |
| 15:12.31 | FastPutty | so tat mean, the route is there since the server machin can ping wan |
| 15:12.34 | abrotman | FastPutty: and? how does that equate to forwarding? |
| 15:12.57 | stew | axscode: are you asking if it is possible to put a toolchain in a cromfs filesystem? |
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| 15:13.18 | FastPutty | you need forwadring to able to get to another interface |
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| 15:13.29 | harpal | stew, this is output of ifconfig; route -n http://pastebin.ca/757694 |
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| 15:13.34 | abrotman | FastPutty: what if he's using two NICs to sever two different networks? |
| 15:13.35 | FastPutty | so eth2 and eth0 can comunicate together |
| 15:13.48 | axscode | stew: i want to make the existing root.img of the device to be root filesystem of my toolchain |
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| 15:13.52 | abrotman | serve |
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| 15:13.56 | FastPutty | abrotman: it the same thing |
| 15:14.01 | harpal | FastPutty abrotman I have deleted all rules of iptables so no firewall |
| 15:14.18 | abrotman | FastPutty: no .. it's not |
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| 15:14.40 | FastPutty | you need to do forwarding if he need to conatct from eth0 to eth0 in the same machin with 2 nic |
| 15:15.04 | abrotman | harpal: all of your NICs are trying to use the same outgoing gateway AFAICT |
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| 15:15.14 | AciD | !fglrx |
| 15:15.14 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 15:15.15 | harpal | Yes |
| 15:15.21 | harpal | I want that |
| 15:15.24 | stew | harpal: and what exactly are you doing that doens't work? |
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| 15:15.58 | stew | axscode: you can make a new cramfs that contains the data from the current cramfs and the toolchain. iirc cramfs is a ro filesystem |
| 15:15.59 | FastPutty | ok harpal: can you ping from your server to eth1 ? |
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| 15:16.19 | harpal | I have machine on eth2 and I am trying to ping to google than it doesnt ping. it cant ping to my gateway which is 10.10.136.103 |
| 15:16.23 | abrotman | harpal: can you `ping -i eth2 10.10.136.103` |
| 15:16.27 | abrotman | well .. that answers that :) |
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| 15:16.40 | harpal | abrotman, no |
| 15:16.41 | FastPutty | harpal: forwadring. |
| 15:16.44 | FastPutty | iptabels |
| 15:16.46 | reiser2 | abrotman: is there any good documentation to configure a mail server? |
| 15:16.53 | abrotman | reiser2: what kind of mail server? |
| 15:17.00 | FastPutty | harpal: iptables! forwarding! man iptables |
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| 15:17.36 | harpal | without iptables is it not possible? because on eth0 I can ping to that system |
| 15:17.37 | reiser2 | exim |
| 15:17.39 | FastPutty | harpal: can you ping from the server tat has all those NC to the 10.10.136.103 |
| 15:17.57 | drc | taneli: good :) |
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| 15:18.08 | harpal | From that machine I can ping to 10.10.136.103 |
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| 15:18.14 | FastPutty | and from eth0 you can? |
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| 15:18.18 | abrotman | reiser2: need a bit more info .. do you want to deliver and accept mail directly? .. do you want to store mail on the system? |
| 15:18.19 | harpal | Yes |
| 15:18.24 | FastPutty | and you cannot on eth2 ? |
| 15:18.29 | harpal | Yes |
| 15:18.29 | FastPutty | wtf.. lol |
| 15:18.30 | abrotman | reiser2: if oyu want to store it .. do you want mbox/maildir imap/pop3 ? |
| 15:18.32 | reiser2 | yes |
| 15:18.38 | FastPutty | you have proabbly a forwarding rules somwhere |
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| 15:18.42 | FastPutty | pastbin me iptables -vnL |
| 15:18.42 | stew | harpal: is the 10.10.136.103 going to be willing to forward traffic for the 111.0.0.0/8 network? |
| 15:18.52 | reiser2 | this http://www.hypexr.org/linux_mail_server.php |
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| 15:19.17 | abrotman | reiser2: that's not exim |
| 15:19.23 | harpal | stew, All traffic should uses that 10.10.136.103 |
| 15:19.24 | limpio | hi all, i need to fix my time, i used to use 'tzconfig' what's the name of the new script? |
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| 15:19.31 | reiser2 | i know |
| 15:19.39 | reiser2 | but is good to what i need ? |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | harpal: yes .. but will your router send it? |
| 15:19.59 | abrotman | reiser2: you need to clearly define what you're trying to do .. |
| 15:20.12 | reiser2 | i need a mail server |
| 15:20.15 | stew | harpal: can you show us "route -n" from the 10.10.136.103 machine? |
| 15:20.16 | harpal | abrotman, but it doesnt sending that |
| 15:20.20 | reiser2 | like hotmail for example |
| 15:20.24 | reiser2 | or gmail |
| 15:20.30 | FastPutty | harpal: show me the iptables -vnL |
| 15:20.34 | abrotman | reiser2: yes .. but you need to read a little bit about mail servers |
| 15:20.44 | harpal | stew, I cant because its windows machine and Its like a gateway to me |
| 15:20.55 | FastPutty | harpal: Do you read what i said |
| 15:20.56 | abrotman | windows has a route command |
| 15:20.58 | reiser2 | ok, what i need to read |
| 15:21.02 | reiser2 | ? |
| 15:21.09 | harpal | FastPutty,http://pastebin.ca/757700 |
| 15:21.47 | harpal | abrotman, I know that but I cant access that machine. not permission |
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| 15:21.54 | abrotman | reiser2: if you want to send/recieve mail .. and store it in mbox .. that's fairly easy |
| 15:22.09 | abrotman | harpal: ah ok |
| 15:22.30 | stew | harpal: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" return? |
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| 15:22.47 | harpal | 1 |
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| 15:23.28 | stew | harpal: you need to know if the windows server is willing to forward traffic for 111.0.0.0/8 |
| 15:23.35 | Noboru | can anyone tell me why i run snort,it says snort(eth0)No /etc/snort/snort.eth0.conf, defaulting to snort.conf ? |
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| 15:24.02 | daniel_John | Hi i am about to install a script for iproute2 from this web page http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Roaming_between_wireless_and_wired . Should I uncomment thethat says # cat > /usr/local/sbin/route-prios <<EOF |
| 15:24.02 | daniel_John | #!/bin/sh -e |
| 15:24.02 | daniel_John | # Params: $1 = Iface name |
| 15:24.02 | daniel_John | # $2 = Preference |
| 15:24.02 | daniel_John | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.26 | harpal | stew, I dont think so. but on eth0 I have 192.168.1.* ip than it accepts that and forward that |
| 15:24.28 | reiser2 | abrotman: ok, because is so easy, what i need to read? to do? |
| 15:24.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:24.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 15:24.40 | abrotman | reiser2: read the documentation for the mailserver you want to use |
| 15:24.53 | stew | harpal: 111.11.1.40 doesn't appear to be publicly routable |
| 15:24.53 | tarzeau | Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could :( |
| 15:25.01 | tarzeau | why can debian not keep their kernel headers :( |
| 15:25.10 | reiser2 | exim4 ? |
| 15:25.15 | reiser2 | for example? |
| 15:25.17 | daniel_John | so should I uncomment the bin and Params Part ? |
| 15:25.19 | abrotman | that's one |
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| 15:26.58 | stew | harpal: do you need the machines connected to eth2 to be accessible from the outside world? like do you need machines on the internet to be able to reach the machines on eth2? or do they just need to initiate connections to other machines? |
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| 15:29.41 | harpal | stew, machine connected to eth2 are not accessed by outside. means not from eth1. eth0 can access |
| 15:29.57 | harpal | that I can do with iptables rules |
| 15:30.02 | stew | harpal: shoudl they be accessible |
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| 15:30.39 | harpal | stew, they can be accessible from eth0 only |
| 15:31.00 | reiser2 | well abrotman |
| 15:31.14 | abrotman | harpal: what about eth3 ? |
| 15:31.18 | abrotman | reiser2: ? |
| 15:31.42 | reiser2 | exim can be the mail server? and senmail ? |
| 15:31.43 | harpal | abrotman, I havent used |
| 15:31.47 | reiser2 | both? |
| 15:31.53 | abrotman | reiser2: you'd use exim |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | !drec reiser2 |
| 15:31.57 | dpkg | reiser2: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | reiser2: but you *really* need to read some documentation about running a mail server |
| 15:32.59 | stew | harpal: then you should masquerade the traffic from eth2 |
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| 15:33.37 | reiser2 | ok, thanks |
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| 15:35.07 | harpal | stew, than I have to NAT that and use that. but I think ping should work there? because ping has to used that default route and go there Isnt it? |
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| 15:36.08 | stew | harpal: what exactly are you trying to ping? what ip address? |
| 15:36.20 | stew | harpal: and from what ip address? |
| 15:36.51 | harpal | I have ip address 111.11.1.1 and I am trying to ping 10.10.136.103(which is my gateway) |
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| 15:37.13 | harpal | 111.11.1.1 machine has gateway as 111.11.1.40 which is eth2 |
| 15:37.17 | stew | harpal: whether or not it woud work depends on the routing table of 10.10.136.103 |
| 15:37.32 | Ryushin | So, I'm putting together a server that is going to be designed for virtual machines. 32 GB RAM, 2 quad core AMD procs. There are a number of virtual engines out there. I'm thinking I'm going to have 64 to 128 virtual machines on this one box all running linux. Has anyone had any experiences with the current crop of virtual machines? |
| 15:38.00 | Ryushin | I was thinking about using VMWare's free linux server. |
| 15:38.14 | stew | harpal: are you expecting the 111.11.1.1 machine to be able to get to the internet? |
| 15:38.22 | harpal | Yes |
| 15:38.35 | harpal | my eth1 interface ip is 10.10.136.94 |
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| 15:38.46 | stew | harpal: then someone MUST do NAT for 111.0.0.0/8 |
| 15:39.04 | harpal | stew, 10.10.136.103 machine working fine. I have windows machien and I am using that as gateway |
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| 15:39.42 | stew | harpal: does the 10.10.136.103 have a subnet declaration for 111.0.0.0/8? |
| 15:39.53 | stew | harpal: will it do NAT for 111.0.0.0/8 ? |
| 15:40.05 | harpal | oh that I dont know? |
| 15:40.11 | stew | harpal: you need to find out |
| 15:40.11 | harpal | but I think no |
| 15:40.19 | stew | harpal: you think so to which? |
| 15:40.42 | harpal | It doesnt has subnet 111.0.0.0/8 |
| 15:40.51 | stew | harpal: then you must NAT 111.0.0.0/8 |
| 15:40.53 | Hoxzer | :O |
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| 15:41.49 | Noboru | has anyone used snort on debian ? |
| 15:41.52 | harpal | stew, ok I will check it |
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| 15:42.12 | harpal | stew, thanks a lot |
| 15:42.17 | stew | harpal: otherwise how is the 10.10.136.103 supposed to know to send packets for 111.0.0.0/8 to you instead of to the internet? |
| 15:42.44 | harpal | oh yes |
| 15:42.57 | harpal | other option is I can use proxy? |
| 15:43.11 | simonrvn | proxy won't do nat... |
| 15:43.18 | stew | harpal: NAT |
| 15:43.45 | stew | harpal: you'd have to make it look like packets originating from 111.0.0.0/8 are actually coming from 10.10.136.94 |
| 15:43.54 | harpal | ok than I will do it with iptables |
| 15:44.30 | stew | harpal: why are you using 111.0.0.0/8 instead of a rfc1918 address? |
| 15:45.11 | harpal | Just temporary. rfc1918? |
| 15:45.30 | harpal | Noboru, I have used that |
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| 15:46.05 | simonrvn | AKA "non-routable IP" |
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| 15:50.05 | Noboru | harpal, did you apt-get install snort ? |
| 15:50.52 | harpal | you are getting snort(eth0)No /etc/snort/snort.eth0.conf, defaulting to snort.conf right? |
| 15:51.02 | Humanoid | I installed openoffice.org-gtk so that openoffice would use gtk for the interface, but it doesn't seem to do anything. Am I supposed to do something after installing the package to get it to work? |
| 15:51.19 | Noboru | harpal, yeah,i forgot how to fix it :( |
| 15:51.21 | DustyBin | has anyone ever caught a hacker / cracker with snort? o_0 |
| 15:51.34 | Noboru | harpal, i remember they mentioned i have to do something twice in command line |
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| 15:51.47 | winther | hi, |
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| 15:51.54 | harpal | Hey just copy snort.conf to snort.eth0.conf |
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| 15:52.18 | winther | does debian support qos by default? |
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| 15:52.27 | FastPutty | winther: no |
| 15:52.41 | daniel_John | does anybody here have experience with ifplugd? |
| 15:52.45 | FastPutty | winther: well what kind of qos you are talking? |
| 15:52.49 | FastPutty | winther: there a lot of qos |
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| 15:53.20 | winther | FastPutty: we are thinking about ip or packet based qos. Is it a lot of trouble to get it working in debian? |
| 15:53.52 | FastPutty | iptables can use like a qos too which is implemented by default |
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| 15:54.07 | FastPutty | winther: if you are talking about about tc or htb, you have to install those module |
| 15:54.30 | harpal | Noboru, because this is done by that startup script of snort. |
| 15:54.40 | Maliuta_ | why use debian as a router/firewall? BSD's have better and more established tools for this |
| 15:54.44 | winther | FastPutty: apt does that for me, right? Or do I have to compile my own kernel too? |
| 15:54.47 | Maliuta_ | pf is very useful |
| 15:54.50 | Noboru | harpal, how do i fix it |
| 15:54.57 | FastPutty | winther:apt will do it |
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| 15:55.18 | winther | FastPutty: thank you very much. |
| 15:55.19 | FastPutty | Maliuta_: because debian is the most stable os and built for server |
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| 15:55.24 | harpal | Noboru, just copy snort.conf to snort.eth0.conf |
| 15:55.32 | harpal | have you done that? |
| 15:55.39 | Noboru | let me try |
| 15:55.44 | FastPutty | Maliuta_: you can use any os you want, all unix distribution can do that job |
| 15:55.54 | DustyBin | < Maliuta_> why use debian as a router/firewall? BSD's have better and more established tools for this |
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| 15:55.58 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: that is a very fanboi statement, you can't back it up |
| 15:56.04 | DustyBin | its all about bsd's packet filtering! |
| 15:56.14 | DustyBin | pfSense ftw :D |
| 15:56.20 | FastPutty | Maliuta_: well it not fanboy ;) you can take a look on the net, debian is build for server |
| 15:56.37 | Ronin | FastPutty: not really, although it does make an excellent one |
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| 15:56.52 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: I think I have been around the linux community long enough to know what is what |
| 15:56.54 | FastPutty | Ronin: debian is more orientated server, if you want client, use ubuntu |
| 15:57.04 | Ronin | FastPutty: wrong on ubuntu |
| 15:57.07 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: it's not a server build |
| 15:57.17 | Ronin | and its not server orientated |
| 15:57.19 | Noboru | harpal, done,thank you |
| 15:57.30 | harpal | you are welcome |
| 15:57.35 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: what _is_ a server build anyhow? |
| 15:57.45 | DustyBin | FastPutty: debian etch stable is more orientated server, if you want desktop, install lenny testing |
| 15:57.47 | FastPutty | stable, clean, empty :) |
| 15:57.57 | FastPutty | dustybin: true |
| 15:58.23 | Noboru | harpal, how about that snort.debian.conf ? do i need it ? |
| 15:58.25 | Ronin | they dont know what theyre saying, ignore them ;) |
| 15:58.35 | DustyBin | im running lenny testing + XFCE 4.4.1 + compiz-fusion, this kicks ass!! :D |
| 15:58.37 | FastPutty | Ronin: you can use debian as a desktop if you want |
| 15:58.50 | Maliuta_ | anyone using any *nix OS for production server purposes will not be using the vanilla debian packages for key parts (i.e. apache/php for a web server) |
| 15:58.51 | FastPutty | but by default, installation do not let you install a x windows environnement |
| 15:58.59 | Ronin | FastPutty: incorrect |
| 15:59.11 | Ronin | you can pick itif you want, its not selected by default though |
| 15:59.17 | FastPutty | well except if you chek the choice xwindows |
| 15:59.25 | FastPutty | tat what i told you |
| 15:59.26 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: go away, get a clue ... and then come back |
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| 16:00.01 | FastPutty | maliuta, well i just try to give my point of view. if you are not happy, there #linux |
| 16:00.07 | harpal | Noboru, Keep it there. because all things neede while startup. If you startup with like snort -c /path/to/config/ -i eth0 than it dont need that |
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| 16:00.40 | Noboru | harpal, I see,thank you again. |
| 16:00.55 | FastPutty | Maliuta: for pure information, i rarely saw someone use debian as a desktop except if they really love debian. most of debian user are server administrator user |
| 16:01.02 | harpal | you are welcome again :-D |
| 16:01.11 | Ronin | FastPutty: heh you're killing me, thanks |
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| 16:01.49 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: I use debian as a desktop and in production |
| 16:02.09 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: and there are alot of people that use it as a desktop only |
| 16:02.14 | FastPutty | Maliuta_: ..... |
| 16:02.20 | vin` | FastPutty: are you using ubuntu? |
| 16:02.28 | FastPutty | Maliuta_: most desktop user debian is ubunto |
| 16:02.29 | Maliuta_ | FastPutty: this idea that distro's are built to a purpose is crap |
| 16:02.30 | FastPutty | ubuntu |
| 16:02.33 | FastPutty | not debian |
| 16:02.43 | L0cKn | Ubuntu != Debian :-D |
| 16:02.46 | L0cKn | Debian > Ubuntu |
| 16:02.48 | L0cKn | Debian > * |
| 16:02.48 | FastPutty | nah i use debian for server, ubuntu as desktop |
| 16:02.54 | L0cKn | Debian is the distro's god :-) |
| 16:03.00 | DustyBin | scrap ubuntu, it really is terrible, i installed gutsy gibbon out of interest a few days ago, never again |
| 16:03.12 | L0cKn | (My Debian is Male, Not Female) :-D |
| 16:03.16 | tarzeau | FastPutty: but ubuntu has not so much software |
| 16:03.26 | FastPutty | tarzeau: yes :) |
| 16:03.43 | FastPutty | tarzeau: but ubuntu is more friendly user when it for desktop user only |
| 16:03.43 | L0cKn | Ubuntu = Mbuntu? :O |
| 16:03.54 | manu_hack | i use debian for my laptop |
| 16:04.03 | manu_hack | Ubuntu? no thanks |
| 16:04.07 | vin` | !badgerknoppix |
| 16:04.08 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
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| 16:04.43 | L0cKn | !Ubuntu |
| 16:04.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 16:04.45 | Maliuta_ | it's like the idea that a package released by a distro is the default for that software, when it is maintained by a person who make arbitrary decisions on what to build in/leave out/modularise to suit the needs of a mojority of users |
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| 16:05.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:05.45 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:06.43 | Maliuta_ | tarzeau: if it's a real popularity contest then I win ... I really _am_ that cool ;P |
| 16:07.29 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:08.01 | tarzeau | Maliuta_: why? photo? |
| 16:08.25 | Ward1983 | how can i switch window managers? normally its in the fluxbox menu, butmatchbox is not there |
| 16:08.38 | Ward1983 | and matchbox-window-manager --replace doesnt work either |
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| 16:08.46 | tarzeau | Ward1983: do you have the "menu" package? |
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| 16:08.53 | Maliuta_ | tarzeau: you'd have to ask all humanity about my irresistability ;) |
| 16:09.12 | xingu | Maliuta: why stop there? you're polling strongly with the sub-human, too |
| 16:09.17 | Ward1983 | tarzeau, the menu works for the rest and fluxbox is in the lsit so i guess i have it? |
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| 16:10.00 | tarzeau | Ward1983: maybe fluxbox doesn't support changing wm? dunno |
| 16:10.23 | Ward1983 | tarzeau, is there a way i can start it if xserver is not running yet? |
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| 16:10.57 | Maliuta_ | xingu: really, I just always assumed I had that vote in the bag, along with the mutant vote |
| 16:11.04 | tarzeau | Ward1983: .xsession file? i have exec wmaker or exec amiwm in it usually |
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| 16:11.25 | belracu | is it legal to force the MAC of all bridge ports and br0 to be same |
| 16:11.31 | tarzeau | yay i got my quckcam and gspca cam working... wonder what funny thing i could stream using motion |
| 16:11.53 | Ward1983 | tarzeau, i'll try that, thanx |
| 16:12.02 | Maliuta_ | Ward1983: are you using a login manager? like xdm,gdm.kdm? |
| 16:12.36 | Eteocles | okay it seems debian is pretty cool |
| 16:12.38 | Maliuta_ | belracu: well, technically "no" but you will run into smegloads of arp issues if you do |
| 16:12.55 | Eteocles | i didnt know you could delete all your backed up files so easily though =/ |
| 16:13.08 | FastPutty | Eteocles: lol |
| 16:13.10 | Maliuta_ | Eteocles: all the cool kids use it, I do ;) |
| 16:13.11 | Ward1983 | Maliuta, no i just installed yesterday, its an ARM based pda, i can't ligon unless with onscreen keyboard |
| 16:13.26 | belracu | smegloads?? |
| 16:13.30 | Eteocles | nuh uh, all the cool kids are doing drugs and having sex |
| 16:13.34 | Eteocles | all the nerds are using gentoo |
| 16:13.35 | belracu | sorry me a novice :D |
| 16:13.49 | Eteocles | all the busy people are using debian ;) |
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| 16:13.58 | Maliuta_ | belracu: go watch some Red Dwarf for that cultural reference |
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| 16:14.07 | Eteocles | (cuz we dont have time to update a system every year) |
| 16:14.52 | moshii | Eteocles: can you do drugs, have sex and use debian? |
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| 16:15.04 | Eteocles | no. if you do the first two, you wont care about the latter |
| 16:15.12 | Eteocles | ;) |
| 16:15.18 | Ward1983 | Maliuta, do you happen to know any login managers with onscreen keyboard? |
| 16:15.22 | Maliuta_ | Eteocles: get you're mainstream perversion away from my eyes ... All the [L]Users are doing sex and drugs, the cool people are doing debian, and the "special" are using gentoo |
| 16:15.58 | Maliuta_ | Ward1983: no, sounds like an odd thing. |
| 16:16.16 | moshii | Eteocles: hmm weird.. |
| 16:16.39 | Ward1983 | Ward1983, well it works fine when xserver is started |
| 16:17.06 | Maliuta_ | moshii: I don't "do drugs". I ingest medication on the recomendation of my oncologist |
| 16:17.25 | Maliuta_ | moshii: and I have sex, and I [ab]use debian |
| 16:17.34 | abrotman | TMI |
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| 16:20.49 | moshii | Maliuta_: have sex, ause debian... I dont want to know about the thong |
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| 16:21.04 | moshii | s/ause/abuse/ |
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| 16:21.25 | mne | hi, my raid migration worked. i used the debian specific howto at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238. However, i have the problem that i cannot add the old harddisk since /dev/md0 is mounted ... |
| 16:21.28 | Maliuta_ | moshii: I live in .au a thongs are rubber things you wear on your feet |
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| 16:23.22 | mne | i would now like to mark my old disk as unclean so that after the next reboot the old disk is synced with the disk in the raid array. how do i mark a disk as unclean ? |
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| 16:25.02 | moshii | Maliuta_: thong is a thong in my english english.. |
| 16:25.06 | fredk | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room -- older version of Debian- apt-get failed... help? |
| 16:25.42 | cydork | !dynamic mmap |
| 16:25.42 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 16:26.44 | Nostahl | how do i copy a file from one dir to another in a terminal |
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| 16:26.50 | Maliuta_ | moshii: so rubber things worn on the foot are defined as rubber things worn on the foot? doesn't sound like a good dictionary |
| 16:27.00 | Maliuta_ | Nostahl: man cp |
| 16:27.03 | Raider | Nostahl, cp |
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| 16:28.12 | Maliuta_ | moshii: a dictionary is supposed to define words by using other words to describe the concept the original word represents |
| 16:28.34 | Nostahl | !cp |
| 16:28.35 | dpkg | cp is probably a command used to copy a file/folder to another destination without affecting the original file/place (basic syntax: cp /this/file.blah /here/) |
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| 16:29.40 | Maliuta_ | !man |
| 16:29.41 | dpkg | [man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
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| 16:30.58 | lindenle | does anyone know of some software that is like bibdesk but for linux? |
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| 16:36.39 | biz | i've accidently deleted all files in /dev, when i reboot, theres no initial console anymore (who guessed?) and now i'm on a rescue system, is there a way to rebuild /dev? i'm using udev, btw. |
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| 16:37.50 | Maliuta_ | biz: makenod |
| 16:38.06 | karmatronic | anyone knows a command line tool for searching torrent urls ? |
| 16:38.14 | petemc | w3m |
| 16:38.25 | Maliuta_ | or use and initrd that has devices until udev can take over |
| 16:39.01 | karmatronic | petemc: that s just a browser |
| 16:39.19 | karmatronic | petemc: gonna write a script based on curl .... |
| 16:39.38 | biz | Maliuta_: do i really have to create each device on its own using makenod?? |
| 16:40.20 | rahul | udev creates the device nodes on its own |
| 16:40.27 | stew | biz: cd /dev ; /sbin/MAKEDEV generic |
| 16:40.53 | rahul | oh, it uses what's on the / fs at some point early in the boot process? |
| 16:41.12 | rahul | the lamity of udev never ceases to amaze me |
| 16:41.25 | biz | it didn't create anything for me after reboot |
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| 16:42.03 | biz | thanks stew I'll try that |
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| 16:42.37 | stew | biz: you also might want /sbin/MAKEDEV std ; not sure. MAKEDEV has lots of possible things it can make, man MAKEDEV |
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| 16:50.08 | ezguy | anyone know where i can find info on howto install centos4 using xen? |
| 16:50.36 | petemc | google |
| 16:50.48 | DustyBin | GIYF |
| 16:51.04 | moshii | there are scripts to build centos vm's in the debian xen stuffage iirc |
| 16:51.09 | moshii | or was that vserver |
| 16:51.40 | stew | ezguy: have you tried #centos? |
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| 16:51.58 | ezguy | will do. |
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| 16:53.08 | muhoo | aha. i have discovered why the keyspan driver is NOT enabled in the debian 2.6.22 kernel |
| 16:53.12 | muhoo | it comes with custom firmware |
| 16:53.31 | muhoo | once you enable the keyspan driver, you have to tick off which firmwares you want to have built too |
| 16:53.40 | esteel | can someone tell me when a 2.6.23 kernel will be in debian? experimental or unstable would be enough :) |
| 16:53.51 | muhoo | maybe the kernel maintainers don't want to have to ship a shitload of keyspan firmware with every linux-image deb |
| 16:54.18 | karmatronic | esteel: you can still build it ... |
| 16:54.19 | muhoo | maybe there's licensing issues... though i doubt it, otherwise id't be removed if it violated DFSG |
| 16:54.43 | moshii | muhoo: does the firmware need to be present at build time? |
| 16:54.49 | esteel | karmatronic: yeah but i'm lazy.. |
| 16:55.00 | esteel | or is there an easy way to build a image packge from the sources? |
| 16:55.35 | esteel | so far there was no need to dig into this. but the last kernel that does work for me is 2.6.18.. 2.6.22-3 does not hibernate ;( |
| 16:55.44 | xingu | !kp mantra |
| 16:55.44 | dpkg | well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 16:56.03 | muhoo | moshii: yes |
| 16:56.08 | muhoo | you have to enable it in make menucofnig |
| 16:56.11 | muhoo | menuconfig |
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| 16:56.23 | karmatronic | xingu: yeah,debian s way ... |
| 16:56.28 | muhoo | apparently it's in the kernel source |
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| 16:56.40 | karmatronic | xingu: never understood why we need a debian s way .... |
| 16:56.41 | muhoo | but there are a lot of 'em |
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| 16:57.20 | xingu | karmatronic: dependancies, conflicts, safe removal, the usual. |
| 16:57.23 | muhoo | it's like, put US$0.49 worth of flash ROM in your device, for chrisssakes |
| 16:57.35 | moshii | muhoo: cost effective.. |
| 16:57.37 | muhoo | these firmwares are like 2Kbytes each |
| 16:57.37 | Eulex | karmatronic, a few reasons. it adds your kernel to the grub menu list automatically. the package management system will manage it, so it's easy to remove later on. |
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| 16:57.49 | stew | esteel: nobody knows when it will be uploaded to unstable/experimental. there are experimental snapshots available, but they are likely to be broken: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
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| 16:57.59 | Eulex | muhoo, if the customers demand it, it will be done... |
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| 16:58.34 | karmatronic | Eulex: easier than rm /boot/vmlininuz-2.6.3 & rm -rf /lib/modules/2.6.23/ ? |
| 16:58.37 | muhoo | customers demanded it with audio interfaces. the old m-audio usb devices required weird custom firmware. the new ones are "class compliant" on windoze, osx, and linux |
| 16:58.48 | esteel | stew: oh, cool. Thanks |
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| 16:59.07 | muhoo | they just show up in ALSA |
| 16:59.11 | muhoo | and work |
| 16:59.15 | karmatronic | muhoo: i have one of those , and it doesnt require firmware :) |
| 16:59.31 | CrashandDie | Is it normal to have ram being eaten more and more each day ? |
| 16:59.32 | Eulex | karmatronic, apt-get remove packagename. can it become easier? |
| 16:59.42 | muhoo | s/audio/midi/g |
| 16:59.50 | muhoo | it was the midisport devices that required the firmware |
| 16:59.55 | CrashandDie | I have a small server (home server) that has 286Megs of ram, after 7 days uptime, there's only 60Megs left |
| 16:59.56 | torgrimt | CrashandDie: yes, and its cached, not eaten ;) |
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| 17:00.13 | CrashandDie | torgrimt, so nothing to worry about ? |
| 17:00.15 | Ronin | CrashandDie: open a term and type free |
| 17:00.24 | CrashandDie | Ronin, that's what I did... |
| 17:00.24 | torgrimt | CrashandDie: no not really ;) |
| 17:00.30 | CrashandDie | torgrimt, ok, thanks :) |
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| 17:00.48 | Eulex | CrashandDie, read the -/+ buffers/cache line. |
| 17:00.49 | karmatronic | Eulex: ok i ll give it a try with next kernel :) |
| 17:00.54 | CrashandDie | oh right, 160megs cached |
| 17:00.57 | Ronin | unused memory is wasted memory, if something needs som eit will be released |
| 17:01.26 | Eulex | CrashandDie, that memory can be swiftly released to be used as application memory when needed. |
| 17:01.28 | muhoo | you can never have too much money, bandwidth, power, ram, sex, or hard disk space |
| 17:01.45 | Eulex | CrashandDie, as it isn't, linux is using it to cache files. |
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| 17:02.08 | CrashandDie | muhoo, you can have too much power, wet your hands and play with a connect electrical cord |
| 17:03.00 | Maliuta_ | muhoo: that's a bit out dated now :) |
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| 17:03.11 | wwallace | why would my xserver crash trying to play quake4 in smaller window instead of full screen? |
| 17:03.11 | CrashandDie | Eulex, so, that's 160cache, thus, 286 - (60 + 160), so I'm only "really" using 66 megs of ram ? |
| 17:03.21 | stew | wwallace: in kanotix? |
| 17:03.25 | wwallace | yes |
| 17:03.25 | muhoo | i don't do "latest and greatest" |
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| 17:03.37 | muhoo | 2.6.22 is the most recent in sid, apparently, so i'm using that |
| 17:03.45 | stew | wwallace: how many times do I have to tell you to ask your kanotix questions in #kanotix? |
| 17:03.51 | Maliuta_ | muhoo: no, you do old and bug riddled |
| 17:03.56 | Eulex | CrashandDie, if those 60 mb you're mentioning are buffers, then yes. |
| 17:03.59 | muhoo | old and stable |
| 17:04.00 | wwallace | stew get a fucking life |
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| 17:04.12 | CrashandDie | Eulex, no, 60 is the actual "free" ram |
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| 17:04.15 | Maliuta_ | muhoo: read the changelogs |
| 17:04.16 | Eulex | Maliuta_, *ahem*, let me remind you that 2.6.18 is in stable. |
| 17:04.16 | CrashandDie | Eulex, so yeah, ok, thanks :) |
| 17:04.18 | Eulex | CrashandDie, ah |
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| 17:04.33 | Maliuta_ | Eulex: so, that doesn't mean anything |
| 17:04.38 | victormartin | hello Geeks |
| 17:04.47 | utopia_ | im not a geek |
| 17:04.49 | muhoo | whatever. bugs are in everything. |
| 17:04.55 | utopia_ | but hello |
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| 17:05.25 | Maliuta_ | muhoo: true, but why run something with bugs you know are fixed? |
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| 17:06.16 | Eulex | Maliuta_, ... and probably many new bugs introduced because 2.6.23 was not just a bugfixing release |
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| 17:06.27 | Eulex | stew \o/ |
| 17:06.27 | Maliuta_ | utopia_: you're not a geek? yet you're using IRC in this crazy mixed up IM world and on a channel called #debian ... evidence to the contrary |
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| 17:07.03 | utopia_ | bleh |
| 17:07.11 | Maliuta_ | Eulex: nothing in the 2.6 channel is just a bugfix release |
| 17:08.27 | Asmooh | wattefak? |
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| 17:09.35 | Eulex | Maliuta_, isn't for example 2.6.22.x and 2.6.23.x bugfix releases? |
| 17:09.52 | mcbane | hi |
| 17:09.58 | Maliuta_ | Eulex: not really |
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| 17:10.23 | Maliuta_ | Eulex: they add features in those releases too |
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| 17:10.51 | Eulex | Maliuta_, isn't that really for the merge window? |
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| 17:14.17 | xingu | right |
| 17:14.19 | xingu | beer time |
| 17:14.26 | victormartin | Does anybody want to share the install experience with Etch! I heard its new look now, is it right? |
| 17:14.31 | Ronin | xingu: when is it not? |
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| 17:15.13 | xingu | Ronin: I find bolle goes a little better with the caviar, at breakfast |
| 17:15.39 | xingu | bolly, wotevah |
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| 17:15.58 | Ronin | i prefer a nice stout for breakfast, fills me right up |
| 17:16.37 | xingu | not actually too keen on stouts; a fresh dark ale, yes, stout, meh |
| 17:16.55 | xingu | unless you're combining it with kidney, steak, mushrooms, onion, and pie. |
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| 17:17.13 | Ronin | got the gf who used to drink mass produced mega swill to try an oatmeal stout last night, she liked it |
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| 17:18.56 | xingu | pub down one end of the road serves a very nice broadside, and one down the other, a very nice marston bitter |
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| 17:19.14 | xingu | kind of hard to decide which way to deviate on the way home |
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| 17:21.01 | xingu | but tonight, it's back to the master brew, I'm out of everything else; oh well, at least it's cool, and bottled. |
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| 17:21.28 | rubymonk | I have to debootstrap on many disks... is there a way to cache the files debootstrap downloads ? |
| 17:22.46 | sepski | rubymonk, squid, approx, apt-proxy, debcache, nfsmount /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 17:23.02 | sepski | rubymonk, debmirror ? apt-move? |
| 17:23.12 | sepski | a few ways yes |
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| 17:23.26 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 17:24.01 | sepski | rubymonk, squid would ofcourse also cache every other web request |
| 17:24.01 | rubymonk | ok, and, what about one that requires almost 0 configuration ? |
| 17:24.01 | sepski | approx require altering the sources list. |
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| 17:24.18 | rubymonk | approx ? |
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| 17:24.27 | stew | rubymonk: apt-proxy is easy enough to setup, it sets up a webserver and will cache packages for anyone using it |
| 17:24.29 | sepski | approx is ok |
| 17:24.44 | rubymonk | ok, thanks guys :) |
| 17:24.58 | sepski | apt-proxy and approx is identical in configuration. i use approx since i had some issues with the stability of apt-proxy |
| 17:25.25 | rubymonk | ok |
| 17:25.38 | rubymonk | I'll look into approx then, thanks :) |
| 17:25.41 | humboldt | how do I determine the UUID of a partition/fs? |
| 17:25.45 | sepski | rubymonk, if you want something transparent then squid+transparent proxy would make all host use the squit with out any tweaking |
| 17:26.16 | rubymonk | humboldt, /lib/udev/vol_id -u /partition/path |
| 17:26.38 | RichiH | i need to hook key press events to things linke acpi shutdown, {in,de}crease volume, etc |
| 17:26.43 | rubymonk | Configuring properly squid will be long |
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| 17:26.57 | stew | RichiH: xbindkeys ? |
| 17:27.02 | RichiH | what is the debian way to hook them? |
| 17:27.18 | RichiH | stew: will look at that, thanks |
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| 17:28.21 | waltz | so where is /var/named? |
| 17:28.26 | stew | RichiH: i used to bind keys to, for instance, "amixer -c 1 set Master playback +5%" or so |
| 17:28.28 | waltz | should bind have created it? |
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| 17:29.55 | stew | waltz: if you intend to put your zone files in /var/named go ahead and create it. the bind package has no reason to create it, (and couldn't since, that is not a FHS compliant directory) |
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| 17:30.52 | xingu | waltz: if this is for slave zones, maybe /var/cache/bind is now appropriate. |
| 17:30.57 | waltz | stew: FHS? |
| 17:31.01 | stew | !fhs |
| 17:31.01 | dpkg | fhs is, like, Unlike Gobolinux or <OS X>, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
| 17:31.06 | waltz | ah |
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| 17:31.27 | waltz | also this is for a master zone |
| 17:31.44 | stew | and for master zone files, /var/lib/named or /var/lib/bind or /etc/bind or /etc/bind/master might be better locations |
| 17:31.45 | xingu | waltz: in that case what's wrong with /etc/bind ? |
| 17:31.46 | daniele_982 | hello all someone with laptop sony vaio? i've problem with alsa |
| 17:32.07 | waltz | xingu: okay, I'll use that |
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| 17:33.01 | xingu | although I'm guessing that leaving rndc.key in the same dir that your master zones live is probably poor-fu |
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| 17:34.55 | aixenv | hey gang got a problem with an etch debian v4 install on a dell 2950 server with sas/sata raid-5 perc 5/i integrated with sata drives |
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| 17:35.23 | aixenv | grub wont install, get a Fatal error cannot install GRUB on hd0 |
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| 17:36.23 | stew | aixenv: switch to the logging console (either alt-f3 or alt-f4) and see if you can get a more detailed error message |
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| 17:36.32 | aixenv | stew: ok |
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| 17:37.07 | aixenv | one of the engineers is doing the install remotely.. so ill msg back when he's at that part |
| 17:37.16 | aixenv | he was trying a netinstall cd, so im having him try it with a full cd |
| 17:37.26 | RichiH | stew: which of the codes that xev spews at me is the relevant bit? |
| 17:37.34 | aixenv | well rather, he's remote to me... im remote.. he's local with the server heh |
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| 17:40.40 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/41279 if anyone is interested :) |
| 17:40.50 | aixenv | im nuking streamingculture from backup3 |
| 17:41.16 | roe | anyone thoughts on a package that will replicate a citrix like ability (rdesktop redirector) |
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| 17:41.57 | ziyax | !paste |
| 17:41.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 17:42.44 | stew | RichiH: its not bound to a KeySym yet, so you'd have to first bind the keycode to a keysym with xmodmap |
| 17:42.47 | ziyax | http://paste.debian.net/41280 i've full system resources usage |
| 17:43.08 | stew | aixenv: you should not expect the full cd to behave any differently in this regard |
| 17:43.49 | RichiH | stew: even more reading, yay ;) |
| 17:43.51 | RichiH | stew: thanks |
| 17:44.20 | ziyax | any suggestions? |
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| 17:45.18 | ezguy | anyone has any lucks installing ubuntu (dapper) using xen? |
| 17:45.43 | RichiH | ziyax: looks like it is swapping you to death |
| 17:45.50 | ziyax | yea |
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| 17:46.40 | stew | RichiH: you could, for instance: xmodmap -e "keycode 222 = F20" then when you hit that key, xev should show that youa re hitting the f20 key |
| 17:47.04 | stew | RichiH: or put that in .xmodmap and run "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" in .xsession |
| 17:47.18 | Ronin | ezguy: wrong channel |
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| 17:47.34 | stew | ezguy: try #ubuntu |
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| 17:48.55 | ziyax | how to increase swap memory? |
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| 17:49.18 | RichiH | stew: purrfect, gotcha |
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| 17:49.51 | rarj | Is there any way to restore a partition table ? |
| 17:50.00 | keith4 | pray |
| 17:50.20 | rahul | God can't help you with that |
| 17:50.45 | rahul | there is a tool that can try to find partition superblocks |
| 17:50.53 | rahul | hrm, what was it called? |
| 17:51.31 | cydork | rahul: gpart? |
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| 17:52.01 | rahul | sounds right |
| 17:52.05 | keith4 | yah, gpart |
| 17:52.08 | rarj | gparted shows whole HDD as free space |
| 17:52.13 | rahul | gpart |
| 17:52.21 | rarj | ok |
| 17:52.47 | ziyax | how to increase swap memory? |
| 17:52.58 | Ronin | ziyax: add more ram |
| 17:53.05 | keith4 | ziyax: make your swap partition bigger...? |
| 17:53.44 | petemc | or use a swap file |
| 17:54.06 | ziyax | swap file |
| 17:54.45 | Ronin | why do you need a bigger swap file |
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| 17:55.45 | ziyax | coz its remote box i cant add ram :S |
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| 17:56.42 | et | is it possible that there are different source packages for different architectures? |
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| 17:57.26 | LeVA | hi |
| 17:57.33 | Ronin | doesnt really answer my question ziyax, why do you think you need more? |
| 17:57.35 | keith4 | et: it's probable, not just possible |
| 17:59.00 | stew | et: no |
| 17:59.05 | LeVA | I need to mv a file, which has a ~ character in its filename. I can't escape it with a backslash, and surrounding the filename with a ' characters doesn't help either. I'm using ksh, what should I do? |
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| 17:59.11 | abrotman | unless they're different binary verisons ? |
| 17:59.20 | stew | what does that mean? |
| 17:59.41 | abrotman | there are some packages that have different binary versions for the same version of debian |
| 17:59.46 | stew | sure |
| 17:59.48 | abrotman | usually in unstable |
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| 18:00.39 | muh2000 | samba bug http://nopaste.org/p/adbWqayz9 |
| 18:00.42 | aixenv | ok stew i have the error |
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| 18:01.35 | et | currently, my problem is that the mplayer from debian-multimedia in testing wants a newer libgtk2 than 2.10, on i386 i was able to get 2.12 from sid, but on amd64 apt-get source gets 2.10 (with the same sources.list) |
| 18:01.39 | aixenv | found: /boot/grub |
| 18:01.39 | aixenv | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 18:01.39 | aixenv | error: Running 'grub-install --recheck --no-floppy "(hd0)"' failed |
| 18:01.45 | R0CK | Hello guys, any idea where can i find some pop3 proxy ? |
| 18:02.50 | Nostahl | !vi |
| 18:02.50 | dpkg | it has been said that vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 18:03.18 | petemc | R0CK: perdition |
| 18:03.23 | stew | et: had you run "apt-get update"? can you show us the sources.list? |
| 18:03.29 | R0CK | good petemc |
| 18:03.35 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.40 | R0CK | I found that, and I install it |
| 18:03.46 | R0CK | but I'm not able to configure it. |
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| 18:04.05 | petemc | why not? |
| 18:04.07 | R0CK | Specially that there was no any documentation... |
| 18:04.10 | stew | et: they'd both be looking at the exact same file. so they should get the same source |
| 18:04.18 | petemc | R0CK: there is documentation |
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| 18:04.40 | R0CK | No, I visit the official web site for perdition, nothing.. |
| 18:04.56 | stew | R0CK: did you check /usr/share/doc/perdition ? |
| 18:04.56 | et | http://nopaste.com/p/a0mVPzGod |
| 18:05.33 | R0CK | yes. |
| 18:05.34 | stew | et: well they both would be looking at the same exact file: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources.gz |
| 18:05.44 | petemc | R0CK: http://www.vergenet.net/linux/perdition/docs.shtml |
| 18:06.02 | R0CK | yes |
| 18:06.05 | R0CK | I'm in the same page |
| 18:06.10 | R0CK | where is the documentation ? |
| 18:06.19 | aixenv | any thoughts stew? |
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| 18:07.38 | Eulex | R0CK, http://packages.debian.org/etch/perdition/i386/filelist |
| 18:07.56 | petemc | R0CK oviously cant read, so that wont help much |
| 18:08.43 | aixenv | stew: it doesnt appear to have created a /boot dir |
| 18:08.49 | stew | aixenv: thats from within the installer? |
| 18:08.54 | stew | aixenv: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 18:08.58 | aixenv | stew: thats after boot |
| 18:09.03 | aixenv | stew: no / ; swap ; /data |
| 18:09.24 | aixenv | he's in recovery mode atm |
| 18:09.33 | stew | aixenv: so this is after a succesful install? |
| 18:09.38 | aixenv | no |
| 18:09.41 | aixenv | well |
| 18:09.44 | aixenv | it wont boot |
| 18:09.51 | aixenv | .. he's in recovery mode and mounted the drive |
| 18:09.55 | aixenv | and saw there's no /boot part |
| 18:10.10 | R0CK | petemc, actually I install it, it says some error messages and that documentation is not that much clear. |
| 18:10.20 | stew | aixenv: is /dev/ populated? is /proc mounted? |
| 18:10.34 | aixenv | checking |
| 18:11.29 | aixenv | dev is populated |
| 18:11.51 | aixenv | proc is populated |
| 18:12.11 | stew | aixenv: try using /dev/sda or whatever instead of hd0 perhaps? |
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| 18:12.17 | aixenv | that's what i was thinking |
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| 18:12.21 | aixenv | i think we tried that |
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| 18:12.31 | stew | aixenv: you might ask #grub |
| 18:12.32 | aixenv | lemme check the grub file |
| 18:12.40 | aixenv | ahh there's a #grub sweet ok thanks |
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| 18:17.28 | techouse | i've aproblem |
| 18:17.43 | techouse | i installed debian on an old box and grub doesn't load |
| 18:17.49 | aixenv | lol |
| 18:17.54 | techouse | boot error, insert disk |
| 18:17.58 | aixenv | ive instaled debian on a NEW box and grub doesnt load :P |
| 18:18.00 | techouse | what now? |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | do you get a grub error? |
| 18:18.33 | mal322a | Is there a way to list "Provided" packages, like you can use "dpkg --list" or "dpkg-query -W"? I'm specifically looking for a list of everything all the packages provide as well as the pacakges themselves. Thanks. |
| 18:18.39 | aixenv | hmm i have no /boot/grub or /boot dir created... |
| 18:19.17 | techouse | i get no error |
| 18:19.30 | stew | aixenv: are you SURE that there isn't a /boot partition? if there really is no boot dir, it means no kernel was installed yet |
| 18:19.35 | techouse | but when i insert an ubuntu cd and select boot from 1st disk it loads grub |
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| 18:19.53 | aixenv | stew: im positive, we install these all the time , what do you think about specifying a /boot dir ? |
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| 18:20.08 | aixenv | maybe have / , swap, /boot, and /data |
| 18:20.31 | stew | aixenv: what do you mean by specifying a /boot dir? |
| 18:20.47 | aixenv | meaning create a slice for /boot |
| 18:20.50 | aixenv | as opposed to just having / |
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| 18:21.13 | stew | aixenv: either way works |
| 18:21.29 | stew | aixenv: but you must not have finished the installation since you haven't yet installed a kenrel |
| 18:21.29 | aixenv | ya shouldnt be necessary |
| 18:21.35 | mal322a | IOW, I'm looking for a list of what all the packages have on their "Provides:" line in the control file. |
| 18:21.46 | stew | aixenv: that would generally happen before grub |
| 18:21.46 | aixenv | let me ask him what happens after the install grub stage |
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| 18:24.16 | stew | mal322a: do you want it limited to the things that have a provides line? or all packages even if they don't have a provides? |
| 18:24.36 | mal322a | stew: all pacakges |
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| 18:24.57 | stew | mal322a: "grep-available -sPackage,Provides" (man grep-available) (in the grep-dctrl package) |
| 18:25.15 | nexxu | hello, i have a problem w/ a bladecenter and debian 4.0. It installs ok but it hangs at mounting the root fs. Any ideeas ? |
| 18:25.20 | stew | mal322a: err "grep-available -sPackage,Provides ." |
| 18:25.46 | aixenv | stew: he says that the install completes like always.. and then when he boots it this error |
| 18:26.16 | aixenv | raid is built...operational..works |
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| 18:27.09 | mal322a | stew: don't seem to have grep-available, install grep-dctrl? I'll try.. |
| 18:28.00 | aixenv | stew: im gonna have him try lilo |
| 18:28.14 | stew | aixenv: there is no point in installing lilo if you haven't installed a kernel |
| 18:28.29 | aixenv | can i msg you another error? |
| 18:28.34 | aixenv | its longer than 3lines |
| 18:28.36 | stew | aixenv: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:28.44 | mal322a | stew: that brought it in, and seems to work well. Thanks! |
| 18:28.44 | aixenv | well |
| 18:28.50 | aixenv | its not that big |
| 18:28.54 | aixenv | its like 4-5 lines |
| 18:28.59 | aixenv | lol |
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| 18:29.03 | aixenv | kinda a waste of pastebin heh |
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| 18:32.07 | stew | aixenv: i don't think you should worry about wasting them |
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| 18:32.45 | bobbby | Bonsoir |
| 18:32.52 | aixenv | hhe |
| 18:32.55 | aixenv | hehe |
| 18:33.07 | bobbby | ca parle pas francais ici? |
| 18:33.15 | stew | !fr |
| 18:33.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:33.31 | bobbby | ok c'est noté merci |
| 18:33.49 | DawnLight | how do i manage the exim spool? |
| 18:34.03 | petemc | DawnLight: manage how? |
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| 18:34.20 | nexxu | !ro |
| 18:34.22 | DawnLight | petemc: see if it sends the mail, if it has unsent mail in it |
| 18:34.27 | petemc | mailq |
| 18:34.38 | petemc | tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 18:35.12 | aixenv | stew: Lilo worked /shrug |
| 18:35.28 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 18:35.36 | stew | aixenv: but didn't find any kernels? |
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| 18:38.02 | thomasl | Anyone else had problems between OOffice and the fglrx module? |
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| 18:38.21 | DawnLight | thomasl: how would that be? |
| 18:38.55 | aixenv | stew: he chose lilo, and it booted w/o a problem and had a /boot slice populated |
| 18:38.57 | nvz | random curiosity: what could cause a system to work perfectly with everything mounted from hdb when in reality the drive is hda but the kernel for some reason sees it as hdb? |
| 18:39.09 | aixenv | im having him reinstall once more with another cd to see if it might be a bad media |
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| 18:39.17 | stew | aixenv: so when you said there was no /boot directory/partition, you must have been mistaken |
| 18:39.20 | budgee | ping! |
| 18:39.46 | budgee | Hi All! How do get exim 4.68 on debian stable? |
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| 18:39.59 | budgee | I looked in volatile but it seems not to be there... |
| 18:40.11 | wols | budgee: backport |
| 18:40.16 | thomasl | DawnLight Well on my wifes computer she cant run oofice. we do a dpkc reconfiure on the xorg.conf and it works fine. it we change the conf back to using the fglrx driver it wont work again. can't remember the error msg or if there was one. |
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| 18:41.46 | budgee | wols: /me googles debian backports |
| 18:41.52 | thomasl | I probably just need to look into the xorg.conf. I've probably got something wrong. |
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| 18:42.26 | stew | budgee: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:42.45 | stew | budgee: out of curiosity, what do you need in 4.68 that 4.63 doesn't have? |
| 18:42.52 | budgee | $map operator |
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| 18:43.23 | budgee | stew: backports says no exim in packages |
| 18:43.34 | nvz | actually let me rephrase.. is there anything short of a remapping of drives from grub that could make a system installed on hda1,2,3,4 boot as hdb1,2,3,4 |
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| 18:44.07 | wols | nvz: why would you want to do that? |
| 18:44.14 | nvz | wols: I don't want to.. its happening |
| 18:44.30 | nvz | wols: I want to know why.. hehe right now I'm in the not broke don't fix it mindset |
| 18:44.34 | nvz | but I'm still baffled |
| 18:44.44 | wols | nvz: what drive is hda, what is hdb, especially on what controllers are they? |
| 18:45.16 | nvz | wols: in his system there is one PATA and one SATA controller, hda is the PATA hd, hdb is the CDRW |
| 18:45.20 | nvz | which makes me curious again |
| 18:45.35 | nvz | I never thought to check what it was doing with the cdrom |
| 18:45.39 | wols | hdb can't be a cdrw... |
| 18:45.44 | thomasl | nvz What is it seeing as hda? the cdrom? |
| 18:45.45 | nvz | which still seems to be working |
| 18:46.00 | nvz | thomasl: yeah I just raised that curiosity myself and don't have an answer |
| 18:46.06 | nvz | as I don't have access to the machine atm |
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| 18:46.13 | nvz | I was just pooling for ideas |
| 18:46.28 | nvz | I guess I know now what else to look at |
| 18:47.04 | thomasl | nvz well the master-slave jumpers may be wrong. if other "live cds" are seening them in the correct order then I don't know what to say |
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| 18:47.17 | nvz | thomasl: yeah I'll look into all that |
| 18:47.56 | karma_ | i do communicate with modem through RS232 (/dev/ttyS0), i use kermit and cu.. modem must return "OK" but it returns 0, is it some stty settings to change this behavior? |
| 18:48.22 | thomasl | nvz but if everything is cool and running smooth then it shouldnt become a problem. were it my system it would drive me crazy however |
| 18:49.42 | nvz | thomasl: heh, yeah I'm in the process of switching him over to an AMD64 install on the SATA drive.. the PATA drive is from his old 32bit system |
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| 18:50.17 | nvz | thomasl: I was just not understanding various inconsistancies where it still seems to think its the 2nd drive as it was in the old 32bit system where it was dual-booting |
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| 18:50.53 | nvz | thomasl: mostly I just want to understand it all well enough to know how to properly do such transitions in the future |
| 18:51.11 | nvz | I thought I knew how to move a drive from hdb to hda or such but apparantly not :P |
| 18:51.15 | xingu | karma_: at&f1 is usually reset to manuf. burned-in-defaults |
| 18:52.14 | karma_ | xingu, but it was working OK.. so i'm afraid that i broke stty setting or smth :( |
| 18:52.41 | xingu | karma_: atq0 should give you result codes |
| 18:52.45 | Nostahl | i just tryed to do this line but it cant find the package? apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
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| 18:53.00 | budgee | stew/wols: E: Build-Depends dependency for exim4 cannot be satisfied because the package libdb4.6-dev cannot be found |
| 18:53.06 | xingu | karma_: and that's a toggle - atq1, atq0 |
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| 18:53.40 | xingu | karma_: if not that, atv1 |
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| 18:53.56 | xingu | karma_: again, is a toggle - atv1 is results in english, atv0 is numerics |
| 18:54.06 | stew | budgee: you'll have to backport that first then |
| 18:54.08 | karma_ | xingu, great! thanks! |
| 18:54.13 | budgee | stew: ok doing |
| 18:54.29 | techouse | to install xfce do i have to do apt-get install xfce or apt-get install xfce4 |
| 18:54.30 | techouse | ? |
| 18:54.42 | Nostahl | i just tryed to do this line but it cant find the package? apt-get install linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 |
| 18:54.51 | stew | !+info libdb4.6-dev sid |
| 18:54.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:54.53 | dpkg | Package 'libdb4.6-dev' does not exist. |
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| 18:56.42 | Nostahl | why cant apt find linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 ? |
| 18:57.03 | stew | Nostahl: becuase it was removed from debian a few months before the current debian wasa released |
| 18:57.18 | Nostahl | hrmmm |
| 18:57.26 | Nostahl | how am i going to finnish this tutorial then :P |
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| 18:57.31 | FastPutty | last verison of debian is etch 4.0 rc1 righ? |
| 18:57.37 | maniacxs | hi, i wanted to check on a vserver, which complains about to many open files. which processes do open to many of them. Does somebody know how this could be checked? |
| 18:57.53 | stew | Nostahl: why would you want such an old kernel? |
| 18:57.54 | Nostahl | can i substitute a different kernel image and have this tutorial still work? |
| 18:58.05 | stew | Nostahl: probably, what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:58.05 | Nostahl | im just trying to follow a tutorial step by step |
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| 18:58.13 | stew | Nostahl: what is the goal? |
| 18:58.20 | thomasl | Nostahl depending on the tutorial. |
| 18:58.24 | Nostahl | putting debian on my usb drive |
| 18:58.28 | budgee | stew: siza ~ # apt-get -b source libdb4.6-dev |
| 18:58.28 | Nostahl | http://feraga.com/library/howto_install_a_debian_gnu_linux_system_onto_a_usb_flash_thumb_drive |
| 18:58.29 | budgee | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:58.29 | budgee | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 18:58.29 | budgee | E: Unable to find a source package for libdb4.6-dev |
| 18:58.32 | Nostahl | here's the tutorial im trying |
| 18:58.38 | stew | budgee: yes, there is no such package in debian |
| 18:58.47 | thomasl | Nostahl current kernel should work then |
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| 18:59.03 | Nostahl | k |
| 18:59.14 | Nostahl | what do i substitute it with to use new kernel? |
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| 18:59.46 | thomasl | Nostahl linux-image-686 |
| 19:00.04 | Nostahl | that will do whatevers current? |
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| 19:00.27 | Nostahl | ty very much guys! |
| 19:00.29 | Nostahl | its workin |
| 19:00.32 | thomasl | Nostahl Yeah... currently its linux-image-686_2.6.18 |
| 19:00.32 | Nostahl | onto the next step |
| 19:00.47 | Nostahl | have any of youguys tryed debian on a usb drive yet |
| 19:00.56 | rtmex | Hi all, hope someone can help, after I compile a new kernel and restart the PC I get the error "Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.... but the directory exist |
| 19:01.17 | thomasl | Nostahl I put DSL on a flash drive once |
| 19:01.26 | rtmex | I did make modules and make modules_install |
| 19:01.30 | budgee | stew: so how can exim 4.68 want it? |
| 19:02.03 | stew | budgee: most likely it is a bug |
| 19:02.17 | stew | perhaps it should be depending on libdb |
| 19:02.21 | stew | err libdb-de |
| 19:02.22 | stew | v |
| 19:02.22 | haggz | rtmex: did you also create a new initrd.img for the kernel you compiled? |
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| 19:03.43 | budgee | stew: yay |
| 19:03.58 | rtmex | haggx yes wit mkinitramfs |
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| 19:05.34 | rtmex | haggz:: before make bzImage I did make dep but I got this warning HOSTLD scripts/kconfig/conf |
| 19:05.40 | rtmex | scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/i386/Kconfig |
| 19:05.46 | rtmex | *** Warning: make dep is unnecessary now. |
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| 19:07.39 | stew | budgee: i understand |
| 19:07.57 | stew | budgee: libdb4.6-dev is a virtual pacakge provided by libdb-dev, so you need to backport libdb-dev |
| 19:08.20 | budgee | oh damn... i just backported libdb4.6 |
| 19:08.24 | budgee | stew: thanks |
| 19:08.33 | stew | yeah, same package |
| 19:08.51 | stew | budgee: these are all packages provided by the db source package |
| 19:08.58 | stew | budgee: so backporting one gets you all of them |
| 19:09.03 | budgee | stew: yes, understand that ok |
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| 19:09.04 | haggz | rtmex: hmm, when I compile kernels I just compile, install, and use update-initramfs and add the kernel to menu.lst, I've never needed to do anything else in between |
| 19:09.15 | stew | budgee: but libdb-dev is the package that you'll need to install to continue backporting ostfix |
| 19:09.22 | budgee | stew: exim |
| 19:09.39 | stew | yeah that |
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| 19:10.35 | rtmex | haggz:: I have linux-source-2.6.18, linux-kbuild-2.6.18, linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686, linux-headers-2.6.18-5 do I need something else? |
| 19:11.28 | rtmex | when I do apt-get install modules, in installs the previous kernel models (2.6.18-4 instead of 5) how do I get 2.6.18-5 modules? |
| 19:12.02 | rtmex | I did apt-get install modules-2.6.18-5 but did not worked |
| 19:12.04 | haggz | rtmex: if you are compiling the kernel for yourself you don't want to apt-get any modules, I don't think |
| 19:12.34 | DawnLight | rtmex: use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 19:13.10 | waltz | vaio:/etc/bind# /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 19:13.10 | waltz | Starting domain name service...: bind failed! |
| 19:13.10 | rtmex | DawnLight: I'll try that |
| 19:13.21 | waltz | can I get any more info on why it failed? |
| 19:13.28 | haggz | rtmex: the kernel compilation process of make, make modules_install, install, should create the appropriate modules from the kernel source, which will not be identical with the debian repository modules |
| 19:13.50 | DawnLight | waltz: what are you using bind for? |
| 19:14.04 | waltz | name resolution on my LAN |
| 19:14.14 | DawnLight | waltz: use dnsmasq |
| 19:14.17 | waltz | no |
| 19:14.26 | DawnLight | why? |
| 19:14.29 | techouse | which is the xfce package manager? |
| 19:14.31 | waltz | because bind > * |
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| 19:15.01 | DawnLight | waltz: dnsmasq > what you need |
| 19:15.10 | waltz | thanks but I'm using bind now |
| 19:15.19 | waltz | if you cannot help me then maybe someone else can? |
| 19:15.35 | DawnLight | i'm trying to :/ |
| 19:15.42 | waltz | har har sir |
| 19:15.53 | DawnLight | !bind9 |
| 19:16.00 | DawnLight | !bind |
| 19:16.00 | dpkg | bind is probably the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "apt-get install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 19:16.10 | waltz | k |
| 19:16.30 | DawnLight | !dsnmasq |
| 19:16.33 | rtmex | haggz:: The hole process I'm doing is make clean mrproper, make menuconfig, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install, copy files to /boot and then edit grub menu.lst |
| 19:16.53 | rtmex | Is there something I'm missing? |
| 19:17.03 | haggz | rtmex: ok, i believe you should not create the initrd until AFTER you have compiled the modules |
| 19:17.34 | rtmex | oh I forgot to teel that I did mkinitramfs - |
| 19:17.41 | rtmex | before restart |
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| 19:19.27 | h3sp4wn | haggz: any reason you cannot use kernel-package ? |
| 19:19.39 | DawnLight | !kernel compile |
| 19:19.39 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm), use make-kpkg from the package 'kernel-package' and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (also read Rationale.gz) and http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/. Also ask me about <make-kpkg> <kp mantra> <make-kpkg complains> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 19:19.39 | rtmex | haggz:: shoudl I use upgrade-initramfs instead of mkiniramfs? |
| 19:20.15 | haggz | h3sp4wn: I've just never learned how to use the debian tools, I'm sure using the debian toolchain would be an improvement, but I haven't had any issues personally |
| 19:20.51 | haggz | rtmex: its update-initramfs, and according to the man page, it is the preferred tool for end users, mkinitramfs is a bit lower level |
| 19:21.42 | rtmex | haggz:: ok, I'll try update-initramfs instead of mkinitramfs |
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| 19:22.34 | rtmex | is dpkg a bot? |
| 19:23.06 | Wd40 | !dpkg |
| 19:23.06 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 19:23.06 | sepski | !bot |
| 19:23.07 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:23.24 | rtmex | yes ?im asking cuz the message showed in this channel |
| 19:23.37 | Wd40 | rtmex, is a bot... |
| 19:23.37 | rtmex | jaja, sorry dpkg |
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| 19:24.50 | rtmex | thanks Wd40 |
| 19:25.03 | Wd40 | ;D |
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| 19:25.39 | solemnwarning | Hey |
| 19:25.53 | solemnwarning | Are there any good filters for Squid with a web configuration frontend? |
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| 19:27.00 | kwadronaut | solemnwarning: it's not an answer to your question: but i highly recommend taking the time and going through the config. |
| 19:27.16 | kwadronaut | there is some good stuff in there that you probably want to use and don't know about |
| 19:27.22 | Nostahl | hrmm im trying to format my usb drive in fat16 but gparted is not offering me those options? |
| 19:27.34 | solemnwarning | I'm setting it up for a school, it needs a system that the staff can use to add/remove rules easily |
| 19:27.46 | solemnwarning | dansguardian is nice but I don't know of any good web frontends for it |
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| 19:28.07 | xingu | Nostahl: mkfs.vfat is in dosfstools |
| 19:28.20 | xingu | Nostahl: nfi if gparted will change behaviour; but the manpage has usage. |
| 19:28.26 | kwadronaut | aha. solemnwarning, you have checked out the usual wemin/usermin stuff? i presume they have a squid frontend too. |
| 19:28.44 | solemnwarning | I've looked at webmin, but I prefer to only use it as a last resort |
| 19:29.00 | Nostahl | so dosfstools will let gparted have the fat format options? |
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| 19:29.17 | xingu | Nostahl: no idea, I don't use gui's for something as critical as chopping up storage. |
| 19:29.31 | kwadronaut | solemnwarning: then i give up ;-) |
| 19:29.36 | replay3 | honestly |
| 19:29.44 | replay3 | how good is ubuntu really? |
| 19:29.49 | Nostahl | ah it did tyvm xingu |
| 19:30.07 | xingu | solemnwarning: you could go the cheat's route and make a squidGuard rules file accessable via (s)ftp or samba. |
| 19:30.13 | replay3 | I was a dedicated debian user for years but I haven't had access to any computer for 1.5-2 years now |
| 19:30.17 | replay3 | and I see ubuntu |
| 19:30.19 | replay3 | is it good? |
| 19:30.22 | DawnLight | replay3: ubuntu is for human beings, we don't do human beings here |
| 19:30.25 | solemnwarning | xingu: Might be an idea |
| 19:30.28 | Wd40 | Someone can help me with Cedega and Steam ? |
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| 19:30.46 | solemnwarning | Since this is for a school with windows admins I'm considering looking into using Smoothwall for this |
| 19:30.58 | solemnwarning | I havn't used it in years, has anyone setup a squid server on it? |
| 19:31.04 | xingu | solemnwarning: or, you could just get them to pay you a monthy billable to keep it fresh for them :) |
| 19:31.09 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 19:31.13 | replay3 | DawnLight: all jokes aside, I come to my old debian community and ask for an honest answer: how good is it? what's bad about it? |
| 19:31.37 | replay3 | what are the advantages of ubuntu vs debian and the other way around? |
| 19:31.55 | replay3 | I trust debian people |
| 19:31.58 | xingu | solemnwarning: and no, the web controls side of things is about where people stop talking free and start talking "actually, that's software that'll sell" |
| 19:32.18 | xingu | solemnwarning: there's probably 1u boxes based on squid+linux that have a web-based gui; if you need one, buy it. |
| 19:32.27 | DawnLight | replay3: it has some GUIs |
| 19:32.40 | replay3 | is that it? |
| 19:32.42 | solemnwarning | xingu: They already have an RM "smartcache" |
| 19:32.57 | solemnwarning | It gets overloaded by the 10mbit/10mbit fiber link |
| 19:32.58 | replay3 | no other advantage? guis are not what make me change distro exactly.. |
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| 19:33.11 | petemc | replay3: why not just try it? |
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| 19:33.18 | DawnLight | replay3: ubuntu users come here for help when stuff ain't working and they can't get help in #ubuntu. then we tell them... |
| 19:33.21 | DawnLight | !ubuntu |
| 19:33.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 19:33.25 | solemnwarning | Looks like smoothwall might have a module for configuring dansguardian :) |
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| 19:33.41 | jafonso | so I want to setup bind9 in a chroot jail. is there any reference on that? |
| 19:33.54 | replay3 | petemc: I am, I just want your opinion as well |
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| 19:34.03 | petemc | jafonso: lots, google it |
| 19:34.23 | replay3 | DawnLight: yeah, I thought it was something like that |
| 19:34.33 | jafonso | i'm going for the chroo-dns howto for starters |
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| 19:34.39 | stew | replay3: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 19:34.41 | DawnLight | replay3: it has done a good job spreading free software |
| 19:34.46 | jafonso | s/chroo/chroot |
| 19:34.52 | ribnitz | hello. Update of sid of today broke my sound. |
| 19:34.59 | replay3 | what strikes me at first is that ubuntu is not thanking debian enough? |
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| 19:35.10 | replay3 | whereas it should be much more thankful |
| 19:35.16 | stew | replay3: please go to #ubuntu to ask about ubuntu |
| 19:35.34 | ribnitz | replay3: this is the debian channel. |
| 19:35.47 | replay3 | stew: I'm not asking about ubuntu. I'm asking what you guys think of debian vs. ubuntu |
| 19:35.48 | DawnLight | we're just talking |
| 19:35.56 | stew | replay3: try ##linux then |
| 19:36.11 | stew | replay3: and yes, you are asking about ubuntu |
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| 19:36.14 | replay3 | so you're not allowed to talk about debian vs. other distros here? |
| 19:36.16 | DawnLight | stew: its ok |
| 19:36.23 | stew | replay3: correct. ##linux would be a better place |
| 19:36.32 | replay3 | ok |
| 19:36.38 | techouse | i've installed debian net install + xfce4; now how do i make it auto startx? |
| 19:36.46 | adaro | there's nothing to discuss since other distros are soooo much better |
| 19:36.51 | ribnitz | replay3: Every distribution has disavantages and advantages. Chosing one over the other is therefore a matter of personal taste. Like with window-managers, btw. |
| 19:36.58 | DawnLight | stew: why push him off like that? |
| 19:36.59 | stew | techouse: install a display manager such as xdm |
| 19:37.06 | techouse | xdm...ok |
| 19:37.10 | stew | DawnLight: becuase he is off-topic |
| 19:37.24 | ribnitz | techouse: install a display manager; xdm, kdm, gdm.. |
| 19:37.39 | ribnitz | techouse: wdm. |
| 19:37.42 | DawnLight | stew: is that doing harm? |
| 19:37.49 | techouse | which one for xfce then? |
| 19:38.02 | techouse | i mean...when i enter startx it runs |
| 19:38.09 | techouse | i just want it auto |
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| 19:38.53 | replay3 | ribnitz: I know, but that's not completely true |
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| 19:39.07 | replay3 | a distro can be, objectively, better than another distro |
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| 19:39.18 | ribnitz | techouse: install a window manager (these are independent of xfce). I use xdm; kdm, and gdm offer more choices though. |
| 19:39.18 | haggz | techouse: any will work, my personal recommendation is to use gdm, and installing it will automatically add it to your rc2.d i believe so it will give you a graphical user login and then start xfce whenever you boot up |
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| 19:39.35 | replay3 | for example if I build my own LFS-distro that barely works, then I can say that it's a fact that debian is a better linux distro than my distro |
| 19:39.58 | ribnitz | dpkg, tell replay3 about better |
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| 19:40.01 | DawnLight | replay3: i don't see why the ubuntu folks made a new distro. they could have cooperated with debian to achieve their goals |
| 19:40.22 | techouse | oky...gdm it is |
| 19:40.22 | stew | replay3: DawnLight: please take this conversation elsewhere |
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| 19:40.38 | replay3 | DawnLight: yeah, I agree. money I guess. |
| 19:40.54 | spinodal | heh, i think the word "ubuntu" is taboo to stew |
| 19:41.06 | replay3 | ribnitz: dpkg is wrong and so are you and I could prove it but I'm afraid of stew ;) |
| 19:41.09 | DawnLight | stew: please stop |
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| 19:41.28 | stew | DawnLight: i'm not going to stop until you guys stop being off-topic |
| 19:41.34 | replay3 | I don't need to explain what I mean with "better". there is a common definition of the word better, such as with all other words |
| 19:41.37 | techouse | and how do I change the keyboard layout in xfce? i see no option under keyboard |
| 19:41.38 | techouse | :( |
| 19:41.42 | stew | DawnLight: please don't continue this. the topic of this channel is not up for negotiation |
| 19:42.08 | DawnLight | stew: where's your sense of freedom? |
| 19:42.09 | ribnitz | techouse: afaik there is no xfce4-kdb-changing app yet. |
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| 19:42.16 | stew | DawnLight: do you have anything debian related? |
| 19:42.35 | techouse | really?! noooooo waaay |
| 19:42.58 | haggz | techouse: #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will let you reconfigure your kb on the xserver level, be careful not to destroy your graphics settings though, id recommend backing up your xorg.conf before using it |
| 19:42.58 | DawnLight | stew: i am discussing the idea of the cooperation between debian and another distro |
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| 19:43.15 | stew | DawnLight: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 19:43.52 | spinodal | lol |
| 19:44.40 | ribnitz | Ok. something debian-related; my dist-upgrade (sid) of this morning broke my alsa setup. |
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| 19:46.02 | ribnitz | I have two soundcards, an onborad hda-intel; and a pci cmipci. I want ot use the cmipci, but can't. no erro message, just sinlence. |
| 19:46.13 | ribnitz | Kernel is stock 2.6.22 |
| 19:46.52 | cahoot | reversed order from the original setup? ribnitz |
| 19:47.26 | ribnitz | cahoot: no hw changes. |
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| 19:47.54 | ribnitz | cahoot: just a plain update; dist-upgrade (sid!experimental) |
| 19:48.05 | rubymonk | How can I tell apt not to start mysql-server after installing it's package ? |
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| 19:48.28 | cahoot | ribnitz: tried running alsamixer on the cmipci to make sure it's unmuted? |
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| 19:50.34 | ribnitz | cahoot: that was it. |
| 19:50.42 | g3brown | I'm trying to move a lot of files from one server to another (both are debian). scp is slow (30MB/s), smb is slower (~10MB/s). anything else that could be faster? |
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| 19:50.42 | ribnitz | cahoot: thanks |
| 19:51.13 | grassroot | I am trying to remove gjdoc and I get an error about GCC_4.2.0 version any suggestion? |
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| 19:51.23 | spoown | hello all |
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| 19:54.37 | Tramp | nami1: If its running every few minutes I can only think of either /etc/crontab or /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 19:54.54 | PSyKo | Hi |
| 19:55.07 | PSyKo | i search how to install fglrx with an ati radeon card |
| 19:55.27 | techouse | how do i enable sound in xfce? |
| 19:55.35 | techouse | install alsamixer? |
| 19:55.39 | techouse | i mean alsa |
| 19:55.57 | abrotman | PSyKo: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 19:56.04 | PSyKo | techouse, su root -c "aptitude install alsa" and, then, run "alsaconf" as root |
| 19:56.28 | cahoot | sure alsa isn't already in place? |
| 19:56.36 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:56.36 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 19:56.53 | eylisian | rubymonk, the mysqld question was a good one and I really can't think of anything... That said I wonder if you could put something into place in /etc/default prior to install that would hold it from starting. |
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| 19:57.45 | abrotman | rubymonk: why wouldn't you want it to start? |
| 19:57.56 | rubymonk | Well |
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| 19:59.14 | techouse | i installed alsa but alsaconf still doesn't run |
| 19:59.28 | stew | techouse: do you get an error? |
| 19:59.28 | techouse | i mean doesn't exist |
| 19:59.31 | techouse | no |
| 19:59.35 | stew | techouse: install alsa-utils |
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| 20:00.20 | abrotman | rubymonk: ? |
| 20:00.21 | rubymonk | I'm installing a system from a script, mounting partitions and debootstraping. when it comes at installing mysql-server, I get this message: http://pastebin.ca/757969 and my script exits.... nothing in the chroot env's logs... any idea ? |
| 20:00.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:00.31 | rubymonk | Sorry for delay :) |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | rubymonk: wouldn't it make more sense to figure out why it's failing ? |
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| 20:01.06 | nope | hi all |
| 20:01.16 | rubymonk | abrotman, Logs are empty |
| 20:01.25 | nope | someone use mldonkey with kad on debian etch? |
| 20:01.26 | abrotman | rubymonk: what happens if you try to install it again ? |
| 20:01.38 | rubymonk | abrotman, lemme see |
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| 20:02.47 | rubymonk | Same... just perl compaining about locales and same result |
| 20:02.52 | ezguy | where can i get more some addition debootstrap scripts for debian4? |
| 20:02.52 | LuisJose | hello ppl |
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| 20:03.10 | LuisJose | need help with: amdcccle complaining abt libGL not found. |
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| 20:03.39 | abrotman | rubymonk: put a "set -x" at the top of the postinst script for that package |
| 20:03.53 | abrotman | LuisJose: are you trying to compile it or run it? |
| 20:04.11 | LuisJose | abrotman: when I do fglrxinfo or glxgears I get that error |
| 20:04.14 | rubymonk | abrotman, hum... what ? |
| 20:04.33 | abrotman | rubymonk: the postinst script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 20:04.37 | rubymonk | ok |
| 20:04.39 | LuisJose | abrotman: I have installed the ia32-lib-gtk but, I keep havng the same error |
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| 20:06.06 | abrotman | LuisJose: how did you install fglrx ? |
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| 20:06.22 | rubymonk | ok, way more verbose, but not on the error |
| 20:06.39 | abrotman | rubymonk: post the last 20 lines or so |
| 20:06.52 | rubymonk | right |
| 20:06.56 | abrotman | erm .. paste |
| 20:07.01 | Airbottle | ok, i'm not able to update anymore, connection failed does it say me, it looks like the server doesn't exist anymore |
| 20:07.04 | Airbottle | i use belnet |
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| 20:07.10 | abrotman | try another mirror |
| 20:07.24 | Miesco | Hi how would I use mplayer to save a stream video? |
| 20:07.29 | Airbottle | where can i find these abrotman? |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 20:07.32 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | erm .. should remove that apt-setup bit .. |
| 20:07.42 | rubymonk | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/757978 |
| 20:07.44 | LuisJose | abrotman: I used --extract n followed the guide, fomr debian wiki |
| 20:07.51 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 20:07.51 | dpkg | i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 20:08.06 | Airbottle | thanks abrotman |
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| 20:08.32 | LuisJose | abrotman: I have also tried the solutions in the site, but it seems I'm doing it wrong. |
| 20:08.59 | n3kl | I am trying to use xen-tools to create a non-debian domU guest virtual machine. I see in /usr/lib/xen-tools that there are others availble through the scripts, but I can make them work. What am I doing wrong? xen-create-image --hostname=vm --ip=123.123.123.123 --mem=128M --dist=centos4 --debootstrap returns: system installation failed. |
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| 20:10.41 | abrotman | rubymonk: put a set -x at the top of the mysql init script .. and /etc/init.d/mysqld start .. see what it says |
| 20:10.50 | abrotman | LuisJose: use the bit dpkg said above |
| 20:10.57 | rubymonk | abrotman, ok, a minute |
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| 20:11.17 | LuisJose | abrotman: just used the code, now Im cn¿onfiguring that. lets see if it works-. thanks :) |
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| 20:11.34 | g3brown | With a server with fulltime inet access is it more common to install ntpdate and run it in a cron or just install ntp (daemon)? |
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| 20:12.03 | LuisJose | abrotman: use kernel framebuffer device interface. yes or no? :P |
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| 20:12.22 | ribnitz | LuisJose: usually does not make much difference. |
| 20:12.50 | ribnitz | g3brown: probably ntpd. |
| 20:12.57 | emergoo | how much ram can debian handle ? I have 4gb but today vmware totally crashed everything 5 times. Wonder if its a software or hardware problem. How can I check the amount of ram |
| 20:13.06 | LuisJose | thank you all, just another question: Keyboard Variant |
| 20:13.20 | Miesco | How come I have mplayer and not mencoder? |
| 20:13.45 | stew | Miesco: mencoder is not in debian due to legal reasons surrounding some of the patented intellectual property it contains |
| 20:13.50 | g3brown | ribnitz: installing ntp-simple is enough ? |
| 20:13.51 | dkr | Miesco: because you only installed mplayer |
| 20:14.02 | kwadronaut | emergoo: do you realise that vmware is closed source? |
| 20:14.10 | ribnitz | g3brown: for clients, yes. |
| 20:14.32 | g3brown | ribnitz: and if I want local windows boxes to sync to debian ? |
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| 20:15.03 | rubymonk | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/757982 |
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| 20:15.20 | dkr | !mencoder > Miesco |
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| 20:15.38 | ribnitz | g3brown: ntp-server?- though I think windows uses daytime protocol, and not ntp. Also if you run samba; samba can provide the time in the net. |
| 20:15.38 | dondelelcaro | emergoo: depends on the kernel and architecture; there are machines with > 64G of ram aroaund. |
| 20:15.52 | ribnitz | g3brown: so you only need ntp-simple. |
| 20:15.52 | emergoo | kwadronaut: why do you say ? at first Id like to find if debian can handle 4gb ram and make use of it |
| 20:16.15 | Ranpha1 | what was a good testing tool for network? |
| 20:16.20 | g3brown | ribnitz: thanks. |
| 20:16.38 | ribnitz | Ranpha1: what do you want to test? |
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| 20:17.10 | kwadronaut | emergoo: oh because you mentioned it. sorry. it will be harder to find out where the problem is with closed software. that's all. and yes, debian can handle over 4GB of ram like dondelelcaro just said. |
| 20:17.20 | Ranpha1 | ribnitz : the bandwith |
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| 20:18.34 | ribnitz | kwadronaut: On intel, 32 bit arch? ;) |
| 20:18.34 | g3brown | emergoo: I have 4gb of ram running on Etch AM64 right now. Running perfect for 3-4 days now. |
| 20:18.46 | emergoo | dondelelcaro: can the problem be that im runing Linux hummer 2.6.22-3-486 on an amd64 box ? I will try the amd64 kernel instead |
| 20:19.03 | wols | ribnitz: yes on intel, 32bit |
| 20:19.28 | wols | emergoo: your kernel can't address more than 1GB or so since it's the -486 one |
| 20:19.35 | ribnitz | wols: 2^32 =4 GB, I think. |
| 20:19.51 | wols | ribnitz: google fir PAE. |
| 20:20.13 | emergoo | wols: aah that explains why it only finds 900 and then vmware crashes caused I have let it have all my ram |
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| 20:21.01 | ribnitz | wols: aka. Segmented addressing. |
| 20:21.44 | emergoo | dondelelcaro: windows2000server, old software that needs it |
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| 20:22.53 | JoseLuis | ok here is the error that I get |
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| 20:23.12 | emergoo | well thanks all that clears up a lot, hopefully I can live hapilly with wmvare after this and get advantage of the xtra ram :-) |
| 20:23.16 | Ace2016 | so the 486 kernel is 16 bit??? i'm confused |
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| 20:23.33 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: no, it just is set up to only address 1G |
| 20:23.36 | JoseLuis | glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:24.06 | Ace2016 | um... why would you ever do that? and why is the 32 bit kernel set up to handle 4GB? |
| 20:24.14 | stew | Ace2016: its 32 bit. its just that debian ships its 486 kernels compiled with the settings that only allow it to support up to 1gb |
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| 20:24.26 | Szeraax | question: if I am trying to tunnel through ssh, do i actually need to go grab another program of can i enable ?SOCKS? through something? |
| 20:24.49 | rubymonk | abrotman, Are you still here ? |
| 20:25.01 | Ace2016 | yea but why does that setting even exist, what is the practical purpuose of even using it? |
| 20:25.02 | Szeraax | grab another program or can i* |
| 20:25.18 | OlaX | JoseLuis: do you have a file called libGL.so.1? if so, it might not be in your ld path. |
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| 20:25.39 | Tramp | rubymonk: When you run "/usr/bin/mysqld_safe" from the command-line - does it say something? |
| 20:25.40 | emergoo | */booting |
| 20:25.52 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: it's a 386 architecture limitation |
| 20:26.20 | Ace2016 | so the debian 486 kernel is designed to run on 386 as well? |
| 20:26.21 | JoseLuis | 0laN: I have the file. running debian sid, have lined it with no result |
| 20:26.32 | JoseLuis | how can I link it th right way under my system? |
| 20:26.47 | rubymonk | Tramp, Seems to succeed: http://pastebin.ca/757992 |
| 20:27.01 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: no. The architecture is just called that. |
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| 20:27.08 | dondelelcaro | (or IA32 or whatever) |
| 20:27.34 | solemnwarning | Does the mdadm setup in debian installer allow you to create RAID inside a RAID? |
| 20:27.36 | JoseLuis | Olan: just saw locate libgl.si.1 I dont have that file |
| 20:28.12 | Ace2016 | yea but there is i386/486/586/686 |
| 20:29.09 | Tramp | rubymonk: Do you have logs of the form /var/log/mysql*, particulary .err? |
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| 20:29.21 | rubymonk | Yes, it's empty |
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| 20:29.37 | kantor | hi, what is a GTK engine ? |
| 20:29.46 | OlaX | JoseLuis: you can run "LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/your/libGL.so.whatever /usr/bin/glxgears" to make sure that you are using the right file. if it works, as root you can run 'ln -s /path/to/your/libGL.so.whatever /usr/lib/libGL.so.1" |
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| 20:30.12 | Szeraax | question: if I am trying to tunnel through ssh, do i actually need to go grab another program, or can i enable ?SOCKS? through something? |
| 20:30.17 | JoseLuis | Olan: thanks |
| 20:31.14 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: indeed, but when we're talking about i386 here, it's a synonym for IA32 or x86 or whatever. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 if you're lost |
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| 20:31.34 | Tramp | rubymonk: ok. Again the mysqld_safe with option --log-error=/tmp/foo |
| 20:31.45 | rubymonk | Tramp, right |
| 20:32.01 | Tramp | rubymonk: is this file crated and does it contain something useful? |
| 20:32.19 | JoseLuis | ok got the file on xorg, now I need to link it to glxgears or fglrxinfo |
| 20:32.24 | rubymonk | Tramp, Wasn't created |
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| 20:32.51 | Tramp | rubymonk: ok. And output was basically same as before? |
| 20:32.54 | rubymonk | Sorry, was |
| 20:33.10 | rubymonk | HOLY SH*****T |
| 20:33.13 | rubymonk | I am stupid |
| 20:33.15 | abrotman | rubymonk: sorry .. moment |
| 20:33.16 | rubymonk | I got it now |
| 20:33.22 | rubymonk | abrotman, forget it |
| 20:33.23 | rubymonk | :) |
| 20:33.23 | Tramp | rubymonk: Fine. |
| 20:33.26 | Wd40 | hellow, i have a problem: I have a celphone w300i , and i use debian lenny, but it isnt detected, but lsusb detected my celphone |
| 20:33.31 | rubymonk | Damn, How stupid I am |
| 20:33.34 | abrotman | rubymonk: figured it out ? |
| 20:33.43 | Tramp | rubymonk: What was it? |
| 20:33.50 | abrotman | rubymonk: you were trying to start it from outside the chroot .. weren't you ? |
| 20:33.56 | Wd40 | and in Ubuntu, when I try a live cd, it detect automatics |
| 20:33.57 | rubymonk | This is a chroot env, the "master" system already has mysql running and binding on port 3306... |
| 20:34.05 | Wd40 | someone can help? |
| 20:34.09 | rubymonk | Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already in use |
| 20:34.23 | rubymonk | Lemme try to stop master's mysql server and try again |
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| 20:34.24 | abrotman | do i get a win? :) |
| 20:34.59 | rubymonk | worked |
| 20:35.00 | rubymonk | :P |
| 20:35.05 | rubymonk | Sorry for the buggering |
| 20:35.14 | rubymonk | Thanks a LOT abrotman and Tramp :) |
| 20:36.02 | Wd40 | I have a celphone w300i , and i use debian lenny, but it isnt detected, but lsusb detected my celphone , when i do a fdisk -l for mount my celphone no appear (http://pastebin.com/m4b46b96b) I need some help plz... |
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| 20:37.23 | rubymonk | Damn, that's an OLD band |
| 20:38.50 | rubymonk | abrotman, "A win"? Sorry, didn't get it |
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| 20:44.29 | techouse | how do I install xfce with all dependencies on debian net install? |
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| 20:44.45 | stew | techouse: aptitude install xfce4 |
| 20:45.06 | stew | techouse: if you don't have it already, you'll also want to install the "xorg" package |
| 20:45.13 | emergoo | how can I edit standard kernel in grup ?\ |
| 20:45.24 | techouse | isn't that the same as apt-get install xfce4? |
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| 20:45.26 | kingsley | What's the name of the special effect tool that superimposes green text over images, like what we've seen in the movie called the "Matrix"? |
| 20:45.26 | Szeraax | emergoo: at boot time or when? |
| 20:45.34 | techouse | sill some packages are missing |
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| 20:45.39 | techouse | still* |
| 20:45.44 | stew | techouse: what makes you say packages are missing? |
| 20:45.54 | techouse | pppoeconf won't run |
| 20:45.59 | techouse | although i installed it |
| 20:46.05 | stew | emergoo: you mean which kernel is chosen by default? that would be the "default" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:46.16 | stew | techouse: why won't it run? |
| 20:46.34 | techouse | don't know |
| 20:46.40 | stew | techouse: do you get an error? |
| 20:46.45 | techouse | no.... |
| 20:46.59 | techouse | in gui it just opens the terminal and does nothing |
| 20:47.12 | techouse | and as sudo pppoeconf it finds no network card |
| 20:47.14 | stew | techouse: what do you mean by "in gui"? |
| 20:47.31 | techouse | by clicking on it in the menu |
| 20:47.53 | stew | techouse: what exactly does "sudo pppoeconf" say? |
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| 20:48.30 | techouse | no network interface found |
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| 20:49.03 | techouse | don't know what exactly, cause the pc is busy right now |
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| 20:49.16 | emergoo | stew: exactly what I mean, thank you |
| 20:49.19 | loopde | anyone seen those toshiba 1.8" harddrives ? |
| 20:49.54 | stew | techouse: can you pastebin the output of "/sbin/ifconfig" ? |
| 20:50.17 | techouse | not now |
| 20:50.22 | techouse | in 20 min |
| 20:50.28 | techouse | brb |
| 20:51.25 | ma3x | something keeps busy my hdd all the time |
| 20:51.29 | ma3x | how do i find out what it is? |
| 20:51.34 | ma3x | does top tell |
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| 20:53.19 | grassroot | ma3x: could be that your swap is to small |
| 20:53.28 | ma3x | its 1 gb |
| 20:53.30 | ma3x | it cant be small |
| 20:53.32 | ma3x | and 1gb ram |
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| 20:59.43 | Gnurdux | icedove is broken |
| 20:59.49 | Gnurdux | i cant compose messages |
| 21:00.06 | Gnurdux | oh, testing btw |
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| 21:01.56 | haggz | ma3x: there's probably a better way to approach this, but fuser / will show the PIDs of everything accessing your filesystem, you could run fuser / >> OUTPUTFILE several times and find out what processes are constant file system users, then figure out if any are behaving strangely, lots of stuff keeps files open as expected behavior |
| 21:02.22 | haggz | ma3x: so just because something is always there doesn't mean its the problem, but it might point you to something |
| 21:02.58 | n_np | ja nee |
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| 21:04.46 | Gnurdux | dammit even the unstable version of icedove has the problem |
| 21:05.06 | hark | ma3x: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug |
| 21:05.10 | Gnurdux | it seems to apply to opening any window |
| 21:05.38 | Gnurdux | can i be the only person to use icedove? |
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| 21:07.25 | hark | Gnurdux: any error message? checked the BTS? |
| 21:07.35 | Gnurdux | im checking BTS now |
| 21:07.48 | Gnurdux | some windows give an error, some just dont open |
| 21:07.55 | Airbottle | is anyone unable to download the installer for googleearth from this site, or is it just me? http://earth.google.com/tour/thanks-linux4.html |
| 21:07.57 | Gnurdux | or maybe theres an error in the terminal, i can check |
| 21:07.59 | Gnurdux | XML Parsing Error: not well-formed |
| 21:07.59 | Gnurdux | Location: chrome://messenger/content/preferences/preferences.xul |
| 21:07.59 | Gnurdux | Line Number 1, Column 16:rrentServerType(pageData); |
| 21:07.59 | Gnurdux | ---------------^ |
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| 21:08.15 | Gnurdux | sry, but thats from the preferences box |
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| 21:08.32 | hark | Airbottle: use the googleearth-package from contrib |
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| 21:12.14 | Gnurdux | nothing in BTS |
| 21:12.36 | Gnurdux | i wonder if theres something weird with my system |
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| 21:14.29 | hark | run it in safe-mode and see |
| 21:14.32 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.36 | Gnurdux | whoops |
| 21:14.46 | metal_slug | hi |
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| 21:16.58 | Airbottle | i tried hark, but i get a 404 Not Found error in the terminal |
| 21:19.02 | metal_slug | is there a way to install packages from sid to etch? |
| 21:19.38 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 21:19.40 | metal_slug | i'm new in debian. I see etch is using very old fglrx driver |
| 21:19.54 | Gnurdux | use pin preferences |
| 21:20.00 | Gnurdux | but maybe try testing |
| 21:20.02 | metal_slug | Gnurdux: it's hard to do it? |
| 21:20.05 | Gnurdux | testing rarely breaks |
| 21:20.21 | metal_slug | okay |
| 21:20.46 | Gnurdux | metal_slug: you just add repositories for whatever distributions you might want to use to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:20.52 | themill | !tell metal_slug about backports |
| 21:20.55 | Gnurdux | and then use pin priorities to choose the default |
| 21:21.32 | Gnurdux | i use that so that i can get unstable and experimental packages |
| 21:21.36 | wols | Gnurdux: please don't break people's systems |
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| 21:21.55 | wols | metal_slug: don't do this |
| 21:22.15 | Gnurdux | wols: how could pinning break a system? |
| 21:22.18 | metal_slug | hmm |
| 21:22.26 | Gnurdux | eh whatever |
| 21:22.31 | wols | cause it fetches the dependencies too from unstable |
| 21:22.34 | Gnurdux | you could try using backports |
| 21:22.36 | hark | Airbottle: the bin installer link works here |
| 21:22.46 | wols | Gnurdux: just check your libc6 version |
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| 21:23.10 | Airbottle | Could not download Google Earth! (You may need to use --url or --file) |
| 21:23.11 | Airbottle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.20 | Airbottle | strange |
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| 21:24.03 | themill | Airbottle: do you have some horrid little proxy on your network? |
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| 21:24.33 | Gnurdux | 2.6.1-1+b1 |
| 21:24.50 | Gnurdux | thats the lenny version |
| 21:24.55 | Gnurdux | and lenny is what i run |
| 21:25.00 | Airbottle | i dont think so themill, how can i check that? |
| 21:25.08 | Gnurdux | lenny is probably closer to unstable than etch is to lenny though |
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| 21:25.26 | themill | Gnurdux: that's an understatement... |
| 21:26.15 | themill | Airbottle: not easy to do if it's a transparent proxy. |
| 21:26.18 | Gnurdux | so nobody has heard of this icedove issue |
| 21:26.27 | Gnurdux | ill wait till some other bug report turns up |
| 21:26.38 | Airbottle | i make a connection through a switch and a router |
| 21:27.06 | Airbottle | i have dedicated a static ip to another lan port |
| 21:27.17 | themill | Airbottle: that shouldn't be a problem... it's normally when an IT department tries to be "helpful"... |
| 21:27.30 | themill | Airbottle: what does this give: HEAD http://dl.google.com/earth/client/current/GoogleEarthLinux.bin |
| 21:27.38 | dev-bin | does debian have something of an equivalent of safe mode? |
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| 21:27.58 | wols | dev-bin: yes. look on your grub bootmenu |
| 21:28.11 | dev-bin | I thought it was rescue mode, but that still loads video drivers |
| 21:28.14 | wols | in linux, this is called "single user mode" |
| 21:28.17 | Airbottle | that download googleearthlinux.bin now >:O |
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| 21:28.44 | hark | Airbottle: make-googleearth-package did not work? |
| 21:28.44 | themill | Airbottle: HEAD only asks for the http response code, it didn't actually download it |
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| 21:29.12 | techouse | could i install debian+xfce with the debian DVD using this commandline: installgui tasks="xfce-desktop, standard" |
| 21:29.13 | techouse | ? |
| 21:29.18 | themill | Airbottle: the important thing is did it say "200 OK" or "404 Not Found" in the first line. |
| 21:29.19 | Airbottle | i get this message in terminal hark: Could not download Google Earth! (You may need to use --url or --file) |
| 21:29.39 | Airbottle | it downloaded the file now themill |
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| 21:30.30 | themill | Airbottle: sounds awfully like a proxy getting confused or serving you stale content.... |
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| 21:31.20 | Goezzi | sid binutils is borked? |
| 21:31.26 | grassroot | is there a way that I can force the removal of gjdoc in apt |
| 21:31.48 | maxamillion | techouse: is xfce-desktop a task on the dvd? |
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| 21:32.15 | abrotman | Goezzi: BTS? |
| 21:32.15 | Enverex | Where would be the best place to report this bug? - http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=210206 |
| 21:32.17 | metal_slug | so, where I can download lenny dvd iso? I don't see it on mirrors, only 4.0r1 and current directories.. |
| 21:32.23 | Airbottle | i'm not specialist enough to know what that means themill |
| 21:32.26 | abrotman | metal_slug: you can't |
| 21:32.33 | wols | Enverex: there is only one place to report bugs in debina: bts |
| 21:32.39 | metal_slug | abrotman: i need to make it by my own? |
| 21:32.42 | themill | !install lenny |
| 21:32.45 | abrotman | metal_slug: use the netinst |
| 21:32.48 | themill | !installing lenny |
| 21:32.48 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:32.51 | Enverex | wols, But it may be mesa entirely and not Debian's fault... |
| 21:32.57 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 21:32.57 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 21:33.06 | wols | it des not matter: debian reports bugs in bts, period |
| 21:33.08 | themill | install lenny is <reply> see installing lenny |
| 21:33.13 | themill | !install lenny is <reply> see installing lenny |
| 21:33.14 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 21:33.21 | themill | dpkg: smarter bot |
| 21:33.21 | dpkg | Yep! Always getting smarter and soon I will rule the world.... |
| 21:33.40 | abrotman | dpkg: what are we going to do tonight? |
| 21:33.41 | dpkg | abrotman: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
| 21:33.44 | karsten | dpkg: Humble bot. |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | !humblepie karsten |
| 21:34.15 | techouse | maxamillion: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/release-notes/ch-installing.en.html |
| 21:34.35 | Airbottle | anyway, thanks for that link themill, i could download the .bin file from that site, and install it with the .bin file, it works now |
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| 21:35.11 | themill | Airbottle: no worries -- that was just the download from the page you originally pasted ... |
| 21:35.39 | karsten | abrotman: Thank you kindly. |
| 21:35.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 21:38.18 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:38.19 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
| 21:38.37 | Ace2016 | lol |
| 21:38.48 | Ace2016 | isn't man installed by default? |
| 21:38.57 | mkz | I'm looking for a useful network monitoring tool. I've looked at Cacti, which has a lot of nice features, but it's nor really designed to display consistant data sampled at a frequency higher than 5 minute intervals. I'm really looking for a tool similar to the windows toold called PingPlotter. Any suggestions? |
| 21:39.23 | ribnitz | mkz: mrtg. |
| 21:39.35 | ribnitz | mkz: now munin |
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| 21:40.17 | ribnitz | mkz: http://munin.projects.linpro.no/ |
| 21:40.19 | mkz | ribnitz: thank you. I see it's in my apt-cache. I will check that out |
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| 21:40.47 | StereoSkit | dudes, what is the channel name for debian in macbook? |
| 21:41.23 | stew | StereoSkit: is that intel based or ppc based? |
| 21:41.59 | ribnitz | stew: both versions exist; newer ones are Intel-based. |
| 21:42.04 | StereoSkit | stew: intel |
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| 21:42.08 | stew | StereoSkit: then here |
| 21:42.36 | StereoSkit | good, im confused about booting |
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| 21:42.52 | metal_slug | ok, downloading testing netinst :) |
| 21:43.09 | metal_slug | you guys have nice packages repository |
| 21:43.11 | mkz | rubymonk: hmm... munin is like based on RDDTools, just like Cacti. It's description is similar as well. Have you used Cacti? Can you compare the two? Or should I simply install munin and check it out for myself? |
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| 21:43.30 | rubymonk | mkz, ? |
| 21:43.43 | mkz | rubymonk: sorry, mean that for ribnitz |
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| 21:44.13 | StereoSkit | uname -a shows --> Linux ek9 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP; /etc/lilo.conf shows the booting image /initrd.img, yet ls -l /initrd.img points to boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-2-686, how is this possible? |
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| 21:45.00 | StereoSkit | im supposed to be booting in 2.6.22 image, yet uname -a shows 2.6.18 O_O |
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| 21:45.12 | StereoSkit | any suggestion? |
| 21:45.12 | dev-bin | is there a debian download thats just 1 dvd instead of 3? or can I install off the first dvd then get whatever packages I want after |
| 21:45.13 | haggz | stereoskit: look in your menu.lst and see what grub is actually loading |
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| 21:45.21 | abrotman | !d-i dev-bin |
| 21:45.21 | dpkg | dev-bin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:45.22 | StereoSkit | haggz: it is lilo |
| 21:45.51 | haggz | stereoskit: oh sorry, I guess I should read more than 1 line back |
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| 21:46.06 | stew | StereoSkit: can you put your lilo.conf into a pastebin? |
| 21:46.11 | StereoSkit | aight |
| 21:47.04 | dev-bin | that wasnt really what I was looking for |
| 21:47.10 | dev-bin | theres lots of downloads there |
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| 21:47.46 | themill | dev-bin: you can install off the netinst image and then download only the packages you need; same with the 1st CD or the 1st DVD. |
| 21:47.49 | stew | dev-bin: you can use just one dvd, or just one cd and then install packages off the internet after that |
| 21:47.50 | mkz | dev-bin: why not use netinst and then get whatever packages you need afterward? |
| 21:47.57 | dev-bin | but I don't want (or think I need) |
| 21:47.59 | dev-bin | ... |
| 21:48.01 | stew | dev-bin: assuming you can get onto the internet with a stock debian kenrel |
| 21:48.09 | dev-bin | awesome, 1 disc is great. |
| 21:48.11 | dev-bin | I |
| 21:48.15 | dev-bin | ll find out :) |
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| 21:48.39 | ozatomic^ | where can i set what the password for debian-sys-maint is for mysql |
| 21:48.39 | stew | dev-bin: there are netinst cds that will work which are only ~150MB |
| 21:48.49 | stew | ozatomic^: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 21:48.54 | dev-bin | right, but then I have to download tons of stuff during the install |
| 21:48.58 | StereoSkit | stew: http://pastebin.com/m15f28de6 |
| 21:49.09 | abrotman | dev-bin: you don't *have* to .. the netinst leaves you with a basic system |
| 21:49.14 | stew | ozatomic^: that file needs to agree with the actual password set inside mysql |
| 21:49.19 | wols | dev-bin: if you odnwload the CDs/DVDs now you download a lot more over all |
| 21:49.27 | wols | since you won't need all the packages on the CDs |
| 21:49.28 | abrotman | dev-bin: and ultimately .. if you're only doing one system .. the netinst is far more efficient |
| 21:49.37 | ozatomic^ | stew: yeah atm its not so i gotta reset it |
| 21:49.50 | abrotman | ozatomic^: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 21:49.51 | dev-bin | welll, I keep screwing up my partition |
| 21:50.00 | stew | StereoSkit: the default kernel isn't using an initrd at all |
| 21:50.01 | dev-bin | so I'll probbaly be reinstalling more than once |
| 21:50.01 | ozatomic^ | abrotman: i know my root password |
| 21:50.06 | dev-bin | its all good, thanks for the info |
| 21:50.09 | abrotman | ozatomic^: for mysql? |
| 21:50.16 | ozatomic^ | yeah |
| 21:50.23 | abrotman | does the debian-sys-maint even have a password? |
| 21:50.24 | DawnLight | i've found a programmer willing to write a CL interface for my irrigation controller. so now i need let a stranger have shell access to a dedicated box in my network. he needs to have permissions that would only suffice to allow him to develop in C and read/write the serial port. i need to know things like which groups to put him in, what settings to change in debian, what packages he would need, etc. |
| 21:50.27 | StereoSkit | stew: how so? |
| 21:50.29 | ozatomic^ | abrotman: yep |
| 21:50.40 | metal_slug | how do you guys install xorg in debian? |
| 21:50.47 | themill | abrotman: yeah so it can log on to the server with obscene privs and do things ;) |
| 21:50.47 | abrotman | metal_slug: aptitude install xorg |
| 21:50.47 | metal_slug | (modularized version) |
| 21:50.51 | DawnLight | method1: aptitude install xorg |
| 21:51.06 | DawnLight | oops, metal_slug ^^ |
| 21:51.06 | stew | StereoSkit: oh wait |
| 21:51.10 | metal_slug | :) |
| 21:51.11 | stew | StereoSkit: i just didn't see it |
| 21:51.20 | ozatomic^ | all fixed thanks |
| 21:51.44 | stew | StereoSkit: what does "ls -l /initrd.img /vmlinuz" say? |
| 21:51.57 | DawnLight | metal_slug: but you'd be better to use aptitude's interface to sort out the recommendations/suggestions and what not |
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| 21:52.14 | stew | StereoSkit: is /boot on its own partition? |
| 21:52.19 | StereoSkit | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2007-10-29 23:14 /initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 21:52.22 | StereoSkit | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2007-10-29 23:14 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 21:52.29 | StereoSkit | stew: nop |
| 21:52.42 | StereoSkit | one partition / |
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| 21:53.20 | metal_slug | DawnLight: so, by aptitude I select what xorg packages I want to install? |
| 21:53.47 | StereoSkit | stew: and uname -a --> Linux ek9 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:53.55 | StereoSkit | its weird to see that!!!! |
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| 21:54.20 | DawnLight | metal_slug: in aptitude, mark the xorg package for installation and you'll see from there |
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| 21:54.26 | jerware | hi |
| 21:54.33 | StereoSkit | the problem is im trying to get wireless working and cant yet |
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| 21:55.05 | jerware | im removing my nVidia card. and installing intel drivers for my built in card and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. should i keep the glx module? |
| 21:55.08 | MajSh | Hi, |
| 21:55.13 | jerware | is glx speciffic to nVidia? |
| 21:55.19 | StereoSkit | (now sorry for the lame question -i havent used linux in around 6 months-, which is the command that opens DIALOG and allows to navigate trhough the kernel modules?) |
| 21:55.38 | DawnLight | jerware: the module itself? how would you remove it? |
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| 21:55.51 | MajSh | I want to make a live-usb debian that runs a vmware player, is it even possible? did someone here try it? |
| 21:56.03 | jerware | DawnLight: well rather Not load it via deselecting it in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:56.20 | jerware | on the menu of X.Org server modules that should be loaded by default: |
| 21:56.27 | karsten | MajSh: It should be possible. No idea who'se tried it. |
| 21:56.58 | MajSh | karsten: do you by any chance know the depandency list for vmware player? |
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| 21:57.30 | DawnLight | jerware: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf, dpkg-reconfigure it and go with the defaults on the modules |
| 21:57.32 | MajSh | do I have to have Xserver running? |
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| 21:57.59 | DawnLight | afk |
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| 22:00.07 | jerware | to safely restart X with out having to reboot the machine, ctrl-F2; startx correct? |
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| 22:00.23 | karsten | MajSh: No |
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| 22:00.49 | emergoo | ntpdate doesnt update time, any magic needed ? |
| 22:00.56 | MajSh | karsten: thanks, I'll go give it a try then... see what i can make of it. |
| 22:00.59 | ribnitz | jerware: CTRL-Backspace (Kill-X) |
| 22:01.03 | dkr | jerware: telinit 3; telinit 5 |
| 22:01.12 | dkr | ribnitz: that's not "safe" ;) |
| 22:01.31 | ribnitz | dkr: Thats working. |
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| 22:01.42 | dkr | well, it's safe for X, but not safe for all your apps running, :) |
| 22:01.45 | jerware | dkr both 3 and 5 ? |
| 22:02.05 | dkr | well, it depend son the distro actually, but usually 3 is a runlevel without X, and 5 is |
| 22:02.06 | jerware | i'll just cut paste that line you said. |
| 22:02.09 | et | jerware: are you running a dm like gdm or kdm? |
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| 22:02.13 | ribnitz | dkr: close relevant apps before.. ;) |
| 22:02.16 | dkr | so sswitch to 3 turns it off, and switching to 5 turns gui on |
| 22:02.16 | jerware | kdm |
| 22:02.27 | jerware | thanks pal |
| 22:02.29 | et | then /etc/init.d/kdm restart as root |
| 22:02.50 | jerware | ahh everyone is saying different stuff |
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| 22:03.08 | dkr | TMTOWTDI is part of what makes linux cool, :) |
| 22:03.17 | jerware | :) |
| 22:03.20 | dkr | all 3 of these methods will work |
| 22:03.44 | et | not in debian ;) |
| 22:03.53 | themill | dkr: debian doesn't do the init 3/5 thing. |
| 22:03.54 | dkr | mine sucks because of runlevel differences between distros, though |
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| 22:04.07 | Alarm | hello . i installed netbeans 5.5.1 and now i try also to install the c/c++ pack (on debian). during the installation i am asked about the netbeans home directory, and although i enter /usr/bin it doesnt seem to go on with the pack installation |
| 22:04.26 | et | runlevels 2 to 5 are the same in debian |
| 22:05.04 | et | it seems he made it ;) |
| 22:05.39 | Seb | is there an apache indexing option that'd show symlinks as an actual link to its target ? |
| 22:05.45 | Seb | so instead of just seeing "foo" in the index listing, i'd see "foo -> ../bar" for instance |
| 22:06.16 | Seb | i could swear i've seen that on the web at some point, but nothing in the apache doc seems to refer to it |
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| 22:07.12 | dkr | fancyindexing? |
| 22:07.23 | Seb | dkr: doesn't seem to do it, I tried :\ |
| 22:07.43 | Seb | dkr: it can provide specific icons for specific fyle extensions/types, but no symlink resolving afaics |
| 22:07.48 | Seb | s/fyle/file/ |
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| 22:08.28 | dkr | use ftp or ssh for browsing remote filesystems and use apache for html/cgi? ;) |
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| 22:08.43 | Nihill | Hey peeps :) |
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| 22:08.54 | Seb | dkr: heh, I can do that fine, my users can't quite ;) |
| 22:09.27 | dkr | webdav? |
| 22:09.44 | Seb | sure, but the thing is, I could swear i've seen apache do that before |
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| 22:12.00 | abrotman | Seb: there is(i think) .. ask #apache |
| 22:12.17 | dkr | maybe mod_autoindex behaves differently if you have followsymlinks option also enabled/ (stretching) |
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| 22:13.41 | Insolit | hi is there a good tool for ssh with a GUI to linux? (like winscp to windows) |
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| 22:14.20 | themill | Insolit: ssh within your favourite terminal program, like konsole or gnome-terminal.... |
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| 22:14.35 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 22:15.08 | SamuraiDio | i wanna allow any user to run /etc/init.d/network |
| 22:15.12 | SamuraiDio | what do i do? |
| 22:15.16 | grassroot | reDBull: TOUCH |
| 22:15.23 | Insolit | themill: not the same thing, transfering files with a GUI is much much easier with a GUI like winSCP |
| 22:15.46 | grassroot | reDBull: oops thats touch accidently hit caps |
| 22:15.58 | themill | Insolit: ahh... you asked about an ssh program... you mean sftp or scp |
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| 22:16.21 | Insolit | yes more like scp :D |
| 22:16.22 | themill | Insolit: konqueror can so sftp, just write the url as sftp://hostname/path/ |
| 22:16.40 | Insolit | but i need one with ssh |
| 22:16.52 | Seb | abuzor: i did :\ |
| 22:16.55 | themill | Insolit: or sftp://username@hostname/ or if they don't work, fish://username@hostname/ |
| 22:16.55 | tdrusk | I am trying to setup my mysql database. When I run sh setup-mysql -n wordpress (my ip) I get "Could not open required defaults file: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf. I checked and it's not there. where can I get it? |
| 22:16.57 | Seb | hrm |
| 22:17.01 | themill | Insolit: sftp *is* ssh |
| 22:17.46 | SamuraiDio | themill, no |
| 22:17.56 | themill | Insolit: sftp is not ftps or ftp+ssl or any of the other strange things that are out there, it's a file transfer protocol that runs as an ssh subsystem |
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| 22:18.03 | tdrusk | There are 2 files in that directory: conf.d and my.cnf |
| 22:18.05 | Seb | tdrusk: you would need to install mysql it seems |
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| 22:18.13 | SamuraiDio | themill, you can use gftp, it can use ftp, sftp, and ssh/ssh2 |
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| 22:18.38 | themill | SamuraiDio: gftp is a program, it is not a protocol |
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| 22:18.54 | tdrusk | seb: I installed "server" when installing. How can I get mysql> |
| 22:19.10 | SamuraiDio | themill, i know, but wasn't a gui app that you wanted? |
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| 22:19.16 | Seb | tdrusk: that should work; what are you trying to install now ? |
| 22:19.24 | tdrusk | no. I already did |
| 22:19.26 | themill | SamuraiDio: yeah, and that's why I suggested konqueror.... |
| 22:19.52 | tdrusk | Seb: I think it's installed, or I wouldn't have that directory. I just think debian.cnf is named something else... |
| 22:20.01 | Insolit | oh themill thanks :D |
| 22:20.01 | Seb | tdrusk: what are you trying to install now ? |
| 22:20.04 | themill | Insolit: konqueror, gftp or filezilla will all do it for you. Use the sftp url or connection type |
| 22:20.24 | themill | Insolit: filezilla might be the closest to what you are looking for |
| 22:21.09 | tdrusk | seb: nothing. I'm just trying to setup a mysql database |
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| 22:21.22 | Seb | tdrusk: hrm, you mean create one ? |
| 22:21.23 | SamuraiDio | themill, sorry, i walked to the wrong gui, taht should be Insolit... :$ |
| 22:21.32 | Nihill | filezilla works fine for ssh transfers I've used it recently |
| 22:21.32 | tdrusk | seb: yes, sorry |
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| 22:22.15 | SamuraiDio | hey, friends, i need to allow any user on my pc to start, stop, restart /etc/init.d/network, how can i do that? |
| 22:22.23 | themill | SamuraiDio: ahh... that conversation now makes more sense :) |
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| 22:22.34 | SDr | hi |
| 22:22.34 | themill | SamuraiDio: why... what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:22.52 | SDr | is there any way to obtain apache binaries, without having to compile it? |
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| 22:23.01 | SDr | (apache 2.2.6) |
| 22:23.24 | themill | SDr: are you running lenny? (or sid?) |
| 22:23.56 | tdrusk | Seb: you there? |
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| 22:24.33 | Rockj | I'am blind or where is "update-alternatives --config python" to change default python to python2.5? :/ |
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| 22:24.57 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: there isn't one, because that's not an alternative |
| 22:24.59 | Insolit | themill: konqueror works just fine :D |
| 22:25.01 | SDr | themill, debian 4 |
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| 22:25.19 | Seb | tdrusk: so you asked google for "mysql create database debian" or somehting like that ? |
| 22:25.33 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: if you want python2.5 to be the default for a script, just specify python2.5 |
| 22:25.33 | Seb | tdrusk: and somehow http://www.aboutdebian.com/database.htm didn't answer your questions ? |
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| 22:25.54 | Rockj | dondelelcaro: so how do I change default to be 2.5 without hacking it too bad? any reason for why there isn't an option for it? |
| 22:25.55 | themill | SDr: then the answer is no, you're stuck with 2.2.3. What is there in 2.2.6 that you want? |
| 22:25.58 | Seb | tdrusk: also, I use postgres myself, but I'd bet that there is documentation about this in /usr/share/mysql-server/doc/ |
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| 22:26.40 | SDr | themill, erm, the most minimum amount of bugs? also, php5 compabitility would be nice |
| 22:27.10 | Seb | SDr: go with what's in etch, and if somehow this really doesn't work for you, you can always try backports |
| 22:27.22 | themill | SDr: nothing wrong with PHP5 under 2.2.3 ... |
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| 22:28.11 | SDr | Seb, I have a minimal installed system, so there's no apache in there by default |
| 22:28.28 | SDr | Seb, what should I apt-get ? |
| 22:28.32 | Rockj | dondelelcaro: I want mod_python for apache2 to run as python2.5 .. there's no config file for it. Any other option the changing the symlink in /usr/bin/python? :/ |
| 22:28.46 | tdrusk | Seb: thanks. I had to get mysql-server |
| 22:28.48 | themill | SDr: hang on... what exactly *are* you trying to do? |
| 22:29.07 | karmatronic | Rockj: mod_python sucks,no? |
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| 22:29.27 | SDr | themill, putting together a working web (LAMP) server on a VPS |
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| 22:29.33 | themill | SDr: everything doesn't get installed by default... if you want extra things, you can always install them.... |
| 22:29.40 | karmatronic | Rockj: i m a python addict, but from what i saw,apache+python is a weak option |
| 22:29.45 | Seb | SDr: apt-cache search apache |
| 22:29.56 | Seb | SDr: then apt-get install theOneYouLike |
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| 22:30.00 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: you'll have to recompile mod_python, since it is linked specifically against python 2.4 |
| 22:30.08 | Rockj | karmatronic: so I should stick with fcgi for trac? |
| 22:30.16 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: mod-python doesn't have much to do with the what /usr/bin/python is pointing at. |
| 22:30.34 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: and you don't need python2.4 to run trac either; just aptitude install trac; |
| 22:30.54 | dondelelcaro | err... python2.5 |
| 22:30.59 | SamuraiDio | themill, my home computer is conected to a wireless network that sometimes fall out... the better way to re-enable it is restarting my network, but i cannot allow other users root access |
| 22:31.24 | themill | SDr: aptitude install apache2 php5 php5-mysql mysql-server |
| 22:31.37 | Seb | SamuraiDio: give them sudo privileges for only ifup/ifdown ? |
| 22:31.44 | Seb | themill: fish slinging, bad :> |
| 22:31.51 | Rockj | dondelelcaro: trac is installed, tried to get it to work with mod_wsgi , but it bugged so im going to try either mod_python or fast_cgi. Which one is better? |
| 22:32.06 | themill | Seb: yeah, but only after a bit of a wait.... not straight away ;) |
| 22:32.06 | SamuraiDio | Seb, may be, but how? |
| 22:32.13 | themill | SamuraiDio: or put them into the netdev group and use networkmanager |
| 22:32.14 | Seb | SamuraiDio: man sudoers |
| 22:32.39 | Seb | themill: little difference though :) Also, did he ask for mysql ? |
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| 22:33.06 | SDr | themill, wow, thx! |
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| 22:33.42 | themill | Seb: LAMP. And the rtfm thing isn't that great with someone who's very obviously a newbie... I hope that a bit of a wait will get them searching a little for themselves first... seems like maybe I failed there though. |
| 22:33.56 | Rockj | karmatron: I failed to install trac to use mod_wsgi under etch (works fine under lenny :)) , so thought I could give it a try for mod_python but do you suggest using fcgi instead? |
| 22:34.04 | rey_ | Openoffice's UI font is way too big on my system. (http://caladan.rave.org/oowriter.png) |
| 22:34.12 | rey_ | Does anybody have an idea how to fix that? |
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| 22:35.01 | rey_ | It looks like it's using a 16 point font for the UI |
| 22:35.02 | Seb | themill: yeah you did; my apt-cache then apt-get install was fine :> |
| 22:37.05 | themill | rey_: Tools -> Options -> Openoffice.org -> View -> User Interface Scaling |
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| 22:38.10 | themill | rey_: I have that set to 80% to get it looking vaguely sensible. You might also like to check your displaysize settings in xdpyinfo (and xorg.conf). |
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| 22:38.50 | karsten | Gripe: in WindowMaker, I can set "focus new windows" or "don't focus new windows". Neither of which entirely does what I'd like it to do. I *would* prefer that quickly-appearing, specifically-requested windows (eg: terminal windows) appear and be focussed. I'd appreciate if app windows and popups would *not* be focussed, as they frequently inadvertently steal keystrokes intended for elsewhere. Anyone got a solution (in same or another window m |
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| 22:40.05 | tdrusk | Seb: I fixed my first problem. I am now getting another error. ln:creaing symbolic link '/srv/www/myip' to '/usr/share/wordpress':no such file or directory |
| 22:40.27 | Seb | tdrusk: you're not telling me what you're doing |
| 22:40.33 | Seb | tdrusk: what is trying to create this link ? |
| 22:40.34 | themill | karsten: kwin has "focus stealing prevention" heuristics that work pretty well, and you can put in additional overrides on a per-app or per-window-title fashion |
| 22:40.50 | tdrusk | I am still trying to create a wordpress database with mysql |
| 22:40.51 | rey_ | themill: thanks |
| 22:41.00 | karsten | themill: Yeah, that would be pretty cool, was looking for something like that in WindowMaker, didn't find it. |
| 22:41.03 | Seb | tdrusk: apt-get install wordpress |
| 22:41.12 | tdrusk | Seb: DId it. |
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| 22:41.28 | rey_ | rey_: my dpi settings are correct, so I've no idea why oo is being stupid |
| 22:41.36 | themill | tdrusk: is there a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/wordpress then? |
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| 22:42.04 | karsten | themill: KDE is *almost* usable to me, but what I hate is the window list behavior. I really, really, really miss WindowMaker's ability to pin various system menus, including the window list, to avoid having to re-navigate the damned thing every time I want to find a different app window. |
| 22:42.06 | themill | rey_: OOo is often stupid.... If you are using a kde desktop, then it is sometimes even more stupid... |
| 22:42.30 | Seb | tdrusk: k, one last time; you're obviously trying to run a script or something, that you don't quite understand. Tell me what it is. |
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| 22:43.06 | themill | karsten: do you want the window list on each window title bar? |
| 22:43.20 | karsten | themill: No. |
| 22:43.35 | themill | karsten: not sure what you mean then... |
| 22:43.38 | tdrusk | seb: the script is called setup-mysql. I found it here http://www.debianadmin.com/install-wordpress-in-debian-etch.html |
| 22:43.46 | karsten | themill: Finding a screenshot. |
| 22:43.52 | themill | karsten: never having used windowmaker, you see ;) |
| 22:43.57 | tdrusk | Seb: example #sh setup-mysql -n wordpress 172.20.2.18 |
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| 22:44.56 | karsten | themill: http://www.windowmaker.info/documentation.php?show=userguide&chapter=3#312 |
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| 22:45.03 | Seb | tdrusk: and you're running etch ? |
| 22:45.07 | karsten | themill: "Clicking in the workspace with the middle mouse button will open a menu listing all windows that currently exist, with the workspace where the window is located at it's right." |
| 22:45.13 | tdrusk | seb: yes |
| 22:45.31 | Seb | 15:43:42 themill | tdrusk: is there a README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/wordpress then? |
| 22:46.10 | tdrusk | yes. I read it and it doesn't explain how to setup the database. |
| 22:46.12 | karsten | themill: ... the top of the menu is generally just a solid bar, but clicking it adds an 'X' to the right hand side. That "pins" the menu. Without the pin, the menu disappears after you mouse off of it or click on any one item. With the menu pinned, you can repeatedly navigate or select items. |
| 22:46.21 | karsten | themill: http://www.windowmaker.info/images/screenshots/userguide/menu.gif (workspace menu, but similar). |
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| 22:46.50 | themill | karsten: ahh... I have that mapped to middle-click-on-desktop. There are other places you can map it too, I think. |
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| 22:47.41 | karsten | themill: Right. |
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| 22:48.00 | karsten | themill: It's mapped to the same key by default IIRC. What you *can't* do is make that menu persistent, in KDE / kwin. |
| 22:48.10 | karsten | themill: Unless you can prove me wrong ;-) |
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| 22:49.03 | themill | karsten: I don't think you can, but I'm not sure why I'd want to.... but that's just me ;) |
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| 22:49.31 | karsten | themill: Hunting down and closing a bunch of windows, searching through the list for something. |
| 22:50.11 | themill | karsten: ahh... see I have things distributed over virtual desktops so my taskbar down the bottom is always usable for me to do such things. |
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| 22:53.50 | karsten | themill: Your taskbar is in the wrong location :) |
| 22:53.57 | karsten | themill: I keep mine on the right. Even when using KDE. |
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| 22:54.39 | karsten | themill: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/workspacemenu.png |
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| 22:55.18 | wols | karsten: your videocard is very vey broken |
| 22:55.27 | karsten | wols: Why do you say that? |
| 22:55.44 | wols | one look at this menu and you should know why |
| 22:55.57 | karsten | wols: Gimp-intorduced fuzzing. |
| 22:55.58 | wols | text there is not reabale |
| 22:56.07 | wols | that's what you say |
| 22:56.15 | karsten | It is indeed what I say. |
| 22:57.14 | karsten | themill: Anyhow, that's a session I started this morning, so there's not too much open yet. Typically I've got 40-100 windows across 8 desktops |
| 22:57.59 | themill | karsten: yeah.. that happens... s2disk just gets slower and slower when that happens... |
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| 22:58.18 | karsten | themill: :) |
| 22:58.20 | dudydoo | hi all, i have a quick question: on fedora using bash, if i type 'echo {1..10} the shell expands to the sequence of 1 to 10 and outputs it, however on debian sarge it doesn't do the brace expansion. any ideas? |
| 22:58.40 | karsten | themill: Unfortunately, I do dual-head at work and single on the road, and have to restart my desktop session when switching between. |
| 22:58.54 | dkr | dudydoo: seq 1 10 |
| 22:58.55 | karsten | dudydoo: What versions of bash on FC and Debian? |
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| 22:59.09 | themill | dudydoo: that sequence expansion is new with bash 3 (in etch). sarge has bash 2 |
| 22:59.13 | karsten | dudydoo: GNU bash, version 3.1.17(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu) |
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| 22:59.19 | karsten | dudydoo: behaves as you describe. |
| 22:59.32 | karsten | dudydoo: I'm on sid/etch. |
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| 22:59.57 | karsten | dudydoo: Useful, BTW, I didn't know about that yet ;-) |
| 23:00.02 | dkr | yeah, i foncirmed it also, bash 2/sarge nope, bash 3/etch yes |
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| 23:00.23 | karsten | dkr: foncirmed? |
| 23:00.26 | dkr | seq 1 10 is a lot more portable than using new bash features, :) |
| 23:00.30 | dudydoo | karsten: ah right. i haven't got access to the pc's right now, but its actually centos 4.4 and sarge 3.1 |
| 23:00.33 | karsten | dkr: I'm cofcused! |
| 23:00.39 | dkr | karsten: ;) |
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| 23:01.29 | dudydoo | dkr: thanks, but i knew about the seq command already :) |
| 23:01.35 | karsten | dkr: And seq doesn't exist on a number of other platforms. We're cursed with Solaris, AIX, and HPUX here, and I keep discovering how impoverished their userland is. |
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| 23:01.56 | dudydoo | i just wondered why it didn't work |
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| 23:02.27 | dudydoo | thank you for the super fast response also |
| 23:02.46 | themill | dudydoo: bash 2 can do arithmetic though rather than relying on seq or {} |
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| 23:03.22 | karsten | themill: *integer* arithmetic |
| 23:03.47 | themill | karsten: yes, but we're talking seq and {1..10} stuff here... that's fairly integer-based ;) |
| 23:03.49 | dkr | just perl for anything more complex than an init script, :) |
| 23:03.59 | karsten | themill: Still, stuff like "for i in $( seq 10); do ...; done" or "for i in {1..10}; do ...; done" is damned convenient. |
| 23:04.04 | dudydoo | while i'm here, how knowlegable are you guys with 1Gbps networks? |
| 23:04.12 | karsten | themill: What about my need for irrational sequences! |
| 23:04.26 | themill | karsten: yes, but less portable for dudydoo's purposes, it seems. |
| 23:04.35 | karsten | themill: Yes. |
| 23:04.45 | dkr | dudydoo: just ask your real question. |
| 23:04.57 | karsten | dudydoo: ... and you'll find out. |
| 23:05.27 | kingsley | Which is better: defoma or fc-cache? |
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| 23:08.43 | dudydoo | ok, i have 2 debian sarge pc's with d-link dge-528t 1Gbps nics that use the r8169.ko module. both are setup and working fine. all pc's are connected to a 1Gbps switch and connected at 1gig as indidcated by the lights on the cards and switch. debian reports that the cards are connected at the correct speed, however of i do a file transfer between the 2 debian boxes, i get a rate of only 12.5MB/s which indicates 100Mbp |
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| 23:09.16 | petemc | dudydoo: what does ethtool say? |
| 23:09.27 | dudydoo | 1000Mbps |
| 23:10.39 | wols | 6 |
| 23:10.46 | wols | file transfer with what protocol? |
| 23:11.05 | dudydoo | ssh |
| 23:11.14 | dudydoo | and scp |
| 23:11.17 | acemo | does making a symlink from withing a ftp folder to a other folder allowes you to access this other folder trough ftp? |
| 23:11.18 | wols | what frame size, and what kind of cards (PCI, PCI-E, etc) |
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| 23:11.31 | wols | dudydoo: use pure ftp or such and jumbo frames |
| 23:11.52 | wols | acemo: depends on the config of the ftp server |
| 23:12.00 | dudydoo | wols: frame size i don't know, PCI cards |
| 23:12.23 | wols | with PCI cards you can never use full 1GBit speeds |
| 23:12.41 | acemo | wols: what should i be looking for when trying to configure it so it works? |
| 23:12.46 | dudydoo | really? how come |
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| 23:12.52 | SDr | could you recommend any good sftp server (preferably installable via apt-get)? |
| 23:12.55 | wols | also, a realtek card never really reaches linespeed eithre: cards are way too crappy for that |
| 23:13.05 | Supaplex | SDr: ssh |
| 23:13.05 | wols | SDr: there is only one. ssh |
| 23:13.26 | wols | !sftp |
| 23:13.27 | dpkg | hmm... sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 23:13.32 | dudydoo | if i do a transfer between 2 win xp pc's on the lan it's much faster |
| 23:13.51 | wols | ssh transfer too? |
| 23:14.00 | wols | and if so: same CPUs/hardware? |
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| 23:14.18 | Supaplex | realtek, you get what you payfor. :) the 8139C+ are pretty value good imo for 100mbit. But I like the modern intel ether express pro cards better. |
| 23:14.25 | dudydoo | not tried, that's just smb/cifs |
| 23:14.33 | Supaplex | s/value good/good value/ |
| 23:14.34 | dudydoo | yes, same hardware |
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| 23:14.59 | wols | you do know that with ssh your cpu has to encrypt and decrypt? |
| 23:15.09 | dudydoo | yes |
| 23:15.22 | karsten | wols: Well, generally, one or the other, only, unless you're ssh'ing localhost. |
| 23:15.46 | Supaplex | I use blowfish for bulk transfers |
| 23:15.49 | wols | karsten: sender encrypts, receiver decrypts |
| 23:16.00 | karsten | wols: That's the usual protocol. |
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| 23:16.16 | karsten | Supaplex: I use netcat for bulk transfers, if security's not a concern. |
| 23:16.26 | Supaplex | karsten: yea, or that :) |
| 23:16.38 | MauL^ | in debian is there a firewall that can prevent connections on port 5432? (postgresql port) |
| 23:16.41 | Supaplex | oh noes, they'll see my netinst.iso ! </drama> |
| 23:16.50 | acemo | wols: thanks for the tip, im pretty close to getting it to work now :) |
| 23:16.50 | Supaplex | MauL^: iptables |
| 23:17.03 | MauL^ | I mean by defaul. because I cannot connect |
| 23:17.14 | wols | MauL^: no |
| 23:17.20 | Supaplex | MauL^: check your config, it might be listening on 127.0.0.1 or not at all |
| 23:17.21 | wols | netstat -anp |grep 5432 |
| 23:17.26 | wols | is soething listening? |
| 23:17.26 | dudydoo | thanks for the help guys, off to sleep now |
| 23:17.36 | MauL^ | Supaplex, hmm I did already. anyway thanks |
| 23:18.14 | MauL^ | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5110/postmaster |
| 23:18.15 | MauL^ | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 15450 5110/postmaster /tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432 |
| 23:18.39 | acemo | supaplex... that game runs on linux? =) |
| 23:19.05 | MauL^ | does that mean that my linux box does not listen for remote connections? |
| 23:19.32 | karma_ | acemo, is it DOS game? if so - run it in dosbox |
| 23:19.32 | Supaplex | acemo: I still have the version I ran in 1993, and I refuse to run it on anything but my trusty 386sx16 (due to timing) |
| 23:19.47 | Supaplex | it might run in dosemu. I haven't tried it yet. |
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| 23:21.04 | acemo | it works in dosbox for sure.. but i was wondering if maybe there was a linux port.. native apps > dosbox plx |
| 23:21.45 | Supaplex | acemo: there's a rocks+diamonds one someplace, but I found the timing and interaction to be too different for my taste. hence the trusty 386 :) |
| 23:22.28 | acemo | hehe okay :) |
| 23:23.16 | Azio | arghh going mad |
| 23:23.28 | Azio | eggdrop just refuses to compile altogether on debian etch with ssl support |
| 23:23.31 | Azio | and boy does it make me angry |
| 23:23.52 | Azio | compiles file, linking dies |
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| 23:23.59 | Azio | and i know its evolving eround md5 and openssl |
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| 23:24.09 | Azio | libssl, md5 crypto and openssl dependancies are all present |
| 23:24.19 | Azio | please if anyone has a suggestion i'm listening |
| 23:24.27 | Supaplex | Azio: show us. http://rafb.net/paste do you have -dev packages for them installed to? |
| 23:24.29 | Azio | I've tried --configure=/usr/local |
| 23:24.33 | Azio | yeah Supaplex |
| 23:24.47 | Azio | its actually the same as the FBSD issue |
| 23:24.59 | Supaplex | brb, nature calls. :-x |
| 23:25.03 | Azio | :) |
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| 23:25.31 | Saar | how can i allow a user to do "ulimit -n xxxx"? |
| 23:26.20 | karmatronic | |
| 23:26.38 | karmatronic | is there a gnome equivalent for kile |
| 23:26.45 | Azio | heh |
| 23:27.05 | Azio | http://rafb.net/p/5hxI0626.html |
| 23:27.18 | Azio | Not sure what to do, short of spending a few days going through the headers |
| 23:27.19 | Azio | lol |
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| 23:28.09 | Azio | Supaplex: this is the actual `solution` http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?p=76836 |
| 23:28.11 | Azio | but i don't get it |
| 23:28.33 | Azio | how can you install openssl twice, libssl-dev? cause i've already done that |
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| 23:29.48 | Azio | im gonna try ./configure --with-ssl=/usr/local/ssl |
| 23:30.18 | Azio | desperateh eheh |
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| 23:30.29 | Azio | configure: error: You requested SSL support, but OpenSSL was not found. Please supply a pathname to OpenSSL |
| 23:30.30 | Azio | oooh |
| 23:30.52 | Azio | oh no thats going backwards |
| 23:30.58 | Azio | configure finds ssl to start wwith goddamnit! :< |
| 23:31.52 | themill | Azio: you know that eggdrop is in debian? |
| 23:32.02 | Azio | hmm in debian? |
| 23:32.09 | Azio | ohh |
| 23:32.16 | Azio | ssl version is included? |
| 23:32.21 | Azio | etch? |
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| 23:32.53 | Supaplex | Azio: 1m. testing it here :) yes, apt-cache show eggdrop |
| 23:32.54 | Azio | id have expected it to be package eggdrop-ssl instead of eggdrop, what do you think? |
| 23:33.10 | Azio | heh ok.. eggdrop doesnt support ssl as default |
| 23:33.13 | themill | Azio: ahh.. no ssl support see bug 374568 |
| 23:33.17 | Azio | :) |
| 23:33.19 | Azio | yeah.. |
| 23:33.22 | Azio | same as FBSD bug |
| 23:33.25 | Azio | its driving me flipping mental |
| 23:33.41 | Azio | these bugs keep on getting labeled unreproducable |
| 23:33.46 | Azio | really annoying :D |
| 23:33.55 | Azio | http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?p=76836 |
| 23:34.00 | Azio | i wonder how this guy fixed it |
| 23:34.15 | Azio | `No, I downloaded it and the patch from Eggdrop files here. My openssl is from openssl.org. We weren't able to compile our Ircd with the openssl in the Debian repository. |
| 23:34.15 | Azio | Retro |
| 23:34.17 | Azio | ` |
| 23:34.31 | Azio | interesting |
| 23:34.46 | Azio | you know what i'm tempted to do now ;p |
| 23:35.21 | Azio | apparently there are shared and static's |
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| 23:36.11 | sanmarcos | how can I get my ssh, ftp, sftp services to be announced through Bonjour/Avahi? |
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| 23:36.29 | themill | Azio: the linking step isn't linking against an ssl library. hack at the makefile to add -lssl might help |
| 23:37.24 | Azio | heh ok themill I probably would if i had the skills to |
| 23:38.05 | Azio | # Misc |
| 23:38.05 | Azio | RANLIB = ranlib |
| 23:38.05 | Azio | MOD_EXT = so |
| 23:38.05 | Azio | XREQS = /usr/lib/libtcl8.4.so |
| 23:38.05 | Azio | XSSL_LIBS = -lssl -lcrypto |
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| 23:38.21 | Azio | heh sorry, figured that wouldnt happen at this time heh |
| 23:38.26 | themill | !paste |
| 23:38.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:38.33 | themill | 5 > 3. |
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| 23:38.34 | sanmarcos | how can I get my ssh, ftp, sftp services to be announced through Bonjour/Avahi? |
| 23:38.38 | Azio | :< |
| 23:38.54 | Azio | sorry |
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| 23:39.31 | dondelelcaro | Azio: you almost certainly want --with-ssl=/usr/; to use the local ssl. |
| 23:39.47 | dondelelcaro | Azio: if that doesn't work, then you haven't installed libssl-dev |
| 23:39.58 | Azio | I have installed libssl-dev |
| 23:40.00 | Azio | and it does work |
| 23:40.05 | Azio | but it fails to link because somethings wrong |
| 23:40.42 | Azio | ive tried every prefix there is :< |
| 23:41.08 | Azio | im getting so fedup i'm tempted to goto fbsd |
| 23:41.20 | Azio | titan:/home/fag/eggdrop1.6.18# whereis libssl |
| 23:41.20 | Azio | libssl: /usr/lib/libssl.a /usr/lib/libssl.so |
| 23:41.21 | themill | Azio: there is no -lssl in the linker line that you pastebinned earlier. |
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| 23:41.58 | Azio | hmm ok I am obviously being foolish |
| 23:42.03 | Azio | soz |
| 23:42.31 | Azio | titan:/home/fag/eggdrop1.6.18# ./configure | grep lssl |
| 23:42.31 | Azio | checking for SSL_accept in -lssl... yes |
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| 23:43.17 | Azio | maybe i am not being foolish |
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| 23:44.00 | sanmarcos | how can I get my ssh, ftp, sftp services to be announced through Bonjour/Avahi? |
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| 23:44.26 | CalJohn | the gtk filepicker is driving me nuts. takes ages to load. I'm interested in switching to a file picker that lets my type the name of the path with tab completion. advice? |
| 23:44.32 | Azio | ok lssl is not getting to gcc for some reason |
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| 23:45.13 | p_masho | stupid question ? >> how do i completely nuke MYSQL-server5 off a debian machine and reinstall." My machien has mashed up so i want to reinstall fresh (have compied got backups etc) and can import again .. ie i want to make mysql-install completely remove and reinstall again .. makes sense I hope... ;-) |
| 23:45.25 | karsten | CalJohn: mc |
| 23:45.27 | Azio | apt-get remove ? |
| 23:45.29 | karsten | CalJohn: ... or bash |
| 23:45.52 | Azio | and then find the /var/lib/mysql (default) |
| 23:46.02 | CalJohn | karsten: I now feel silly for not saying "to use from firefox" |
| 23:46.02 | p_masho | yes mut mysql-server ? ? |
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| 23:46.13 | Azio | and if you're positive you have a backup, rm -rf the contents of the /var/lib/mysql db folder |
| 23:46.15 | CalJohn | karsten: i use bash for everything else |
| 23:46.24 | Azio | if its not there.. then it will be where your /etc/mysql/my.cnf says |
| 23:46.33 | Azio | as `DataDir` in the cnf |
| 23:46.43 | Azio | i am sad |
| 23:46.48 | Azio | eggdrop ruined my life |
| 23:47.12 | p_masho | trouble is the "information schema" table is corrupted so figure its quicker to nuke mysql sql (have a copy) and reinstall .. |
| 23:47.24 | karsten | CalJohn: NFC. The usual GNOME stuff actually *does* allow you to just start typing a path, though you don't discover this until you actually do so. |
| 23:47.39 | karsten | CalJohn: I use Konqueror rather than Firefox for most of my web browsing. |
| 23:47.42 | Caelum | anyone notice font problems in sid? |
| 23:47.48 | Caelum | (recently) |
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| 23:48.25 | sanmarcos | cocksucker |
| 23:48.48 | karsten | sanmarcos: Behave yourself. |
| 23:49.02 | sanmarcos | fuck |
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| 23:49.46 | Caelum | never mind, fc-cache -r fixed it :) |
| 23:50.15 | Caelum | thank you whoever told me about fc-cache... |
| 23:50.25 | karsten | Isn't Bonjour some sort of MacOS thing? |
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| 23:50.36 | CalJohn | karsten: the gtk file picker requires to to click on it before you can tab complete, which is really annoying with lots of small files |
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| 23:51.14 | hark | CalJohn: press / for the location bar |
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| 23:51.19 | karsten | Yes: Bonjour, formerly Rendezvous, Apple Inc's trade name for Zeroconf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_(software) |
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| 23:52.19 | techouse | i installed debian net install on an old pc and wehn i load the system the screen starts repeating some error code |
| 23:52.36 | techouse | any ideas? |
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| 23:52.51 | wols | !any ideas |
| 23:52.52 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and 42 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 23:53.10 | karmatronic | techouse: what s the error? |
| 23:53.15 | wols | techouse: you should know by now how to properly ask |
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| 23:53.21 | techouse | i can't read it |
| 23:53.28 | OlaX | techouse: Please elaborate. |
| 23:53.39 | karsten | techouse: Yeah, I have an idea. |
| 23:53.43 | karsten | techouse: Tell us the error code. |
| 23:53.43 | techouse | yes...but it's some code that goes on and on really fast |
| 23:53.45 | karmatronic | techouse: first learn to read; then use a computer |
| 23:53.48 | techouse | i can't read the code |
| 23:53.57 | karsten | techouse: Try hitting the ScrLk key or alt-s to freeze the screen. |
| 23:54.00 | techouse | it's flashing |
| 23:54.01 | wols | there is this nifty key called "pause" |
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| 23:54.08 | techouse | not working |
| 23:54.10 | karmatronic | techouse: those things have to be done in a given order :Â) |
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| 23:54.23 | DustyBin | would somone mind packaging this for the debian repos: http://heyu.tanj.com/ there is a serious lack of X10 automation software in the debian library :D |
| 23:54.28 | wols | techouse: you can't read and we are not psychic. I'd call it even |
| 23:54.56 | techouse | well....i tried to install windows 2000 and it gets stuck somewhere in the middle |
| 23:54.59 | karsten | DustyBin: You can file an RTP bug. |
| 23:55.08 | techouse | same with XP, debian, xubuntu |
| 23:55.15 | techouse | well...debian installs |
| 23:55.24 | techouse | but then gives that weird error |
| 23:55.30 | karmatronic | techouse: Å“you ied a livecd too ? |
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| 23:55.48 | techouse | it won't load even the ubuntu live cd |
| 23:55.56 | karsten | techouse: You're going to need to give us details on the error. If you can do a serial console install and capture the serial output, that would help a lot. |
| 23:56.08 | OlaX | techouse: Maybe one of us will know what the error means. Even if you can not understand the "code" by looking at it, you could repeat some of the repeating messages to us, and maybe we can elucidate the situation for you. |
| 23:56.10 | techouse | the install is good |
| 23:56.16 | techouse | the system loading is bad |
| 23:56.28 | techouse | ok....hold on |
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| 23:58.27 | techouse | bittv0: IRQ lockup cleared int mask bits vsync hsync |
| 23:58.32 | techouse | something like that |
| 23:58.57 | techouse | it's really hard to read... |
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