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| 00:00.59 | techouse | any ideas? |
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| 00:01.27 | ben_goodger | well, "cleared" is encouraging |
| 00:01.29 | techouse | should i try to format the disk on another pc? |
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| 00:01.38 | techouse | hahahaha |
| 00:01.52 | OlaX | techouse: I assume you mean "bttv0" not "bittv0" . . . bttv is the name of a driver for brooktree video capture cards. I had one that was not automagically detected a few years ago. |
| 00:01.57 | ben_goodger | I'd guesstimate that it's telling you it recovered from a bollocksup |
| 00:02.04 | techouse | i don't know if it's hard to read...as if water was flowwing down the letters |
| 00:02.21 | techouse | oh...video cards |
| 00:02.23 | techouse | hmm |
| 00:02.28 | techouse | one tv tuner is inside |
| 00:02.32 | techouse | wait..i'll pull it out |
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| 00:03.24 | karsten | techouse: Sounds like either it's a failed driver load attempt, or it's bad video settings. I'm guessing the former. |
| 00:03.45 | karsten | techouse: can you boot single-user mode without seeing that message? Default install should have a single-user GRUB boot option. |
| 00:04.01 | techouse | nope |
| 00:04.08 | techouse | both display shit |
| 00:04.10 | karsten | techouse: You've tried that? |
| 00:04.15 | techouse | yep |
| 00:04.25 | karsten | techouse: Then, at boot, do an 'init=/bin/bash' boot. |
| 00:04.37 | techouse | in grub? |
| 00:04.38 | karsten | techouse: Should avoid any module autoloading. |
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| 00:05.00 | karsten | techouse: http://www.securitypronews.com/it/operatingsystems/spn-22-20040209LostRootPasswordLinux.html |
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| 00:05.28 | ribnitz | how do I overburn a CD? |
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| 00:05.54 | techouse | haha...it was the tv tuner |
| 00:05.57 | techouse | :) |
| 00:06.00 | techouse | it works :) |
| 00:06.02 | techouse | tnx! |
| 00:06.03 | xterm | hello, everyone |
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| 00:06.16 | xterm | What do I need to be a debian developer? |
| 00:06.32 | techouse | brains? |
| 00:06.34 | techouse | :) |
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| 00:06.36 | techouse | joke |
| 00:06.46 | ben_goodger | joke!? |
| 00:06.46 | karsten | techouse: You'll modify the sequence as follows: after remounting root FS read-write, add the module bttv.ko to the blacklist. |
| 00:06.52 | solemnwarning | The serious webmin security holes seem to be in older versions, is webmin becomming lass half-assed with security lately? |
| 00:06.57 | karsten | !tell techouse about blacklist |
| 00:07.00 | karsten | techouse: what worked, BTW? |
| 00:07.14 | karsten | xterm: A nomination. |
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| 00:07.36 | stew | xterm: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint |
| 00:07.37 | techouse | pulling out the tv tuner |
| 00:07.45 | OlaX | techouse: if you want to use your bttv capture card under debian in the future, you can take a look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BTTV/ for some tips on getting the module to load propperly for your card. |
| 00:08.03 | techouse | no...i'll just give it to a friend...i don't need it |
| 00:08.04 | techouse | :) |
| 00:08.10 | karsten | xterm: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint |
| 00:08.18 | techouse | in 5 years i've used it 2x |
| 00:08.20 | karsten | techouse: That's another way to do it. |
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| 00:08.55 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know about a skype package for debian ? can't find something with 'apt-cache search skype' |
| 00:09.16 | karsten | rocketmagnet: try 'apt-cache search voip', in general. Skype is non-free. |
| 00:09.30 | karsten | !skype |
| 00:09.31 | dpkg | from memory, skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP application. See http://www.skype.com/. It uses a proprietary protocol. Unofficial debs (they are built by Skype Limited) are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/, or an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties |
| 00:09.36 | rocketmagnet | oh, but can i connect to skype users then ? |
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| 00:09.43 | karsten | rocketmagnet: Thanks for asking, my GF has same, I should install it then. |
| 00:09.56 | rocketmagnet | GF ? |
| 00:10.06 | karsten | !GF |
| 00:10.07 | dpkg | i heard gf is Girl Friend, or French Guiana |
| 00:10.15 | themill | rocketmagnet: skype is not in debian, but you can add this to your sources.list deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
| 00:11.00 | rocketmagnet | ty |
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| 00:11.12 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:12.14 | bzed | !kiss rocketmagnet |
| 00:12.39 | rocketmagnet | !rtfm |
| 00:12.40 | dpkg | somebody said rtfm was Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 00:13.59 | techouse | a standard debian installation on a 333 mhz box takes more than 1 hour :P |
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| 00:18.41 | acemo | !java6 |
| 00:19.20 | karsten | techouse: Even longer if you're doing a netinst over SLIP bootstrapped from TomsRtBt via floppy transfer of a potato base image into a ramdisk :) |
| 00:19.44 | themill | !tell acemo about install java |
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| 00:20.19 | techouse | hmmm....now imagine that 1 floppy is bad :) |
| 00:20.45 | karsten | techouse: ?? |
| 00:20.57 | tdrusk | What do I need to get apache2 to stop saying "it works". I followed this guide http://www.debianadmin.com/apache2-installation-and-configuration-with-php-support-in-debian-linux.html but it's not showing what it says it should be showing. Instead it says, "it works |
| 00:21.14 | techouse | floppy transfer... |
| 00:21.31 | techouse | isn't that debian on floppys? |
| 00:21.47 | karsten | techouse: The Potato base2_2.img was a 15 MB file, so it took 7.5 floppy transfers to get it over. |
| 00:21.56 | acemo | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free < this should let me use sun-java6 right? :S |
| 00:21.57 | techouse | well |
| 00:21.59 | techouse | yeah |
| 00:22.15 | karsten | techouse: use of 'split' and cat to recombine the fragments. Which had to be put into seperate ramdisk partitions at 4MB each. |
| 00:22.16 | techouse | and if 1 floppy is bad then no fun for you :) |
| 00:22.25 | techouse | omg |
| 00:22.28 | karsten | techouse: No, you re-use the same floppy. |
| 00:22.32 | techouse | oh |
| 00:22.38 | themill | acemo: no, for etch and java6, you need to have backports.org included too |
| 00:22.41 | haggz | tdrusk: it's just a change in what the default display from apache is, the "it works" page has the same meaning as the message that tutorial lists |
| 00:22.42 | themill | !tell acemo about bpo |
| 00:22.58 | acemo | thanks |
| 00:22.58 | techouse | omg.....that's gotta be painfull |
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| 00:23.14 | karsten | techouse: cp base1 /dev/fd0; sneakernet to install system, cp /dev/fd0 /dev/ram0 |
| 00:23.30 | karsten | techouse: ... with mount/umount commands, etc. Shell history is your friend. |
| 00:23.36 | karsten | techouse: Yeah, it was ... fun. |
| 00:23.39 | techouse | omg |
| 00:23.53 | techouse | thak god for DVDs :) |
| 00:24.43 | techouse | why does a guided partitioning create such a small swap? |
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| 00:24.51 | techouse | 300 mb :) |
| 00:24.52 | techouse | lol |
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| 00:25.05 | ben_goodger | depends on your RAM |
| 00:25.10 | karsten | techouse: how much RAM do you have, how much disk? |
| 00:25.13 | null | Ah, nothing better than fixing X :) |
| 00:25.17 | techouse | on that old box |
| 00:25.19 | techouse | emmm |
| 00:25.19 | null | Woo, dual monitors! |
| 00:25.24 | karsten | techouse: *some* swap is useful. Generally 2x RAM is recommended. |
| 00:25.34 | techouse | around 130ram and 7.7 GB disk |
| 00:25.48 | ben_goodger | there you are then |
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| 00:26.02 | techouse | well....on my amd64 box i've 1 gb of ram and 2gb of swap |
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| 00:26.14 | techouse | home-made size |
| 00:26.22 | null | carpc size? |
| 00:26.31 | themill | night all! |
| 00:26.44 | null | themill: night |
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| 00:27.17 | techouse | CarPC? |
| 00:27.17 | nhuisman | is it possible to increase the number of disks in a raid 1 after it has been created? |
| 00:27.20 | techouse | huh? |
| 00:27.21 | galleon | Hello |
| 00:27.26 | null | A car pc is a small pc usually fit inside a car. |
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| 00:27.26 | nhuisman | as in make it mirror 3 ways |
| 00:27.29 | __Rui__ | i'm trying to use udev with my 2 usb external hdd's, i have this rule ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="sd*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="WDC_WD32_WD-WCAPD119_888888D88CA8-0:0", SYMLINK+="cinza%n" but it isn't working, any idea why? |
| 00:27.37 | techouse | oh |
| 00:27.39 | techouse | lol |
| 00:27.42 | karsten | nhuisman: I don't believe so. |
| 00:27.43 | haggz | or a GIGANTIC pc you can ride in! |
| 00:28.09 | tdrusk | haggz: thanks :) |
| 00:28.11 | techouse | nah....the old box is gonna have a single purpos |
| 00:28.16 | null | Question: How do I export DISPLAY and what do I set it to? GUI Programs aren't starting from the CLI because they can't connect to the X server. |
| 00:28.24 | techouse | purpose |
| 00:28.34 | techouse | playing mp3s in a big hall :) |
| 00:28.42 | karsten | null: Local or remote clients? |
| 00:28.43 | null | loudly? |
| 00:28.49 | techouse | yep |
| 00:28.49 | null | karsten: local |
| 00:28.54 | null | tech-house? |
| 00:29.05 | techouse | emm....no not my music, no |
| 00:29.10 | karsten | null: Ordinarially DISPLAY is set when you start your X session via an X display manager (xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm). |
| 00:29.12 | techouse | my bro needs it |
| 00:29.22 | techouse | they build a climbing wall |
| 00:29.28 | techouse | and they need some music |
| 00:29.45 | null | karsten: I haven't been starting it via gdm as usual, I've been killing X and startx'ing after Xorg.conf changes. Should I kill X and start gdm? |
| 00:29.49 | techouse | so i got him an old pc for a 6pack of beer :) |
| 00:29.55 | piko | Hi, I have problems mounting discs (sata) on amd64 install cd. |
| 00:30.03 | karsten | null: 'export DISPLAY=:0' is the usual value. All child processes will inherit it. |
| 00:30.07 | piko | Could anyone tell if having similar problem? |
| 00:30.12 | null | karsten: Thank you. |
| 00:30.21 | karsten | null: I generally go through an X dm myself. |
| 00:30.22 | nhuisman | you could just use ubuntu |
| 00:30.27 | karsten | null: So yes. |
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| 00:31.44 | null | karsten: killing X and restarting GDM worked, but now I know DISPLAY is set by a display manager, thanks :) |
| 00:31.44 | shogunx | techouse you might find this handy: http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/books/music |
| 00:32.01 | shogunx | it will allow you a search interface to your mp3 collection from the console. |
| 00:32.10 | karsten | null: It's set as part of the X startup/setup process, some of which is shell commands. |
| 00:32.26 | shogunx | on a 333 for playing music, a gui can be a big hog. |
| 00:32.28 | null | karsten: are those shell commands listed anywhere? file that I can tinker with and break things? |
| 00:32.29 | techouse | shogunx: what is this script? |
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| 00:33.02 | shogunx | techouse, its a wrapper script for mpg123 that allows you to search through and choose mp3s to play. |
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| 00:33.15 | techouse | oh.... |
| 00:33.17 | techouse | ok |
| 00:33.24 | techouse | i'm planning to use xmms |
| 00:33.35 | rxKaffee | what is the features that allows one to track down "un-used" packages that are installed to the system? packages that were deps of something no longer installed |
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| 00:34.02 | shogunx | my point is, why waste cycles on a gui when you do not have to. i wrote that to play mp3s on a Pentium 100 |
| 00:34.08 | karsten | null: They're within your X display manager's config path. |
| 00:34.31 | techouse | well....people with no linux experience are gonna handle this pc |
| 00:34.40 | techouse | i'm making it as windows like as possible |
| 00:34.43 | techouse | :) |
| 00:34.49 | karsten | null: eg: /etc/X11/xdm/ I think gdm is /etc/X11/gdm/. KDM is /etc/kde3/kdm/ |
| 00:34.55 | null | karsten: thanks |
| 00:34.55 | rxKaffee | techouse: so then just install some silly kubuntu stuff |
| 00:34.57 | piko | noone? |
| 00:35.02 | karsten | techouse: Install BSOD! |
| 00:35.07 | techouse | nah....no ram for that |
| 00:35.12 | shogunx | you are making it crappy? if you want it to be windows like, put in a cronjob that will crash it every so often:) |
| 00:35.16 | techouse | debian+xfce will do just right |
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| 00:35.23 | rxKaffee | shogunx: what mp3 player did you write? |
| 00:35.27 | karsten | techouse: XFCE4's got a pretty decent Win2K / WinXP mode. |
| 00:35.37 | shogunx | rxKaffee, not a player, just a wrapper. |
| 00:35.44 | techouse | 2k>xp |
| 00:35.58 | rxKaffee | shogunx: like an ncurses interface to mpg321 or something? |
| 00:36.10 | shogunx | like a shell interface |
| 00:36.13 | shogunx | http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/books/music |
| 00:36.18 | shogunx | no curses lib called |
| 00:36.30 | techouse | is there an mp3player for debian net install....with no gui :) |
| 00:36.32 | techouse | hehe |
| 00:36.35 | techouse | that would be fun |
| 00:36.47 | null | techouse: vlc, mplayer |
| 00:36.54 | null | techouse: those don't need X |
| 00:36.55 | techouse | oh...mplayer, yes |
| 00:37.07 | null | mplayer is silly powerful |
| 00:37.07 | rxKaffee | shogunx: and that runs on a pent 100mhz? I couldn't get mpg321 or mpg123 to play very well on my 133 |
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| 00:37.21 | techouse | i use mplayer to play x264 |
| 00:37.22 | shogunx | if you change a few of the switches that works with mplayer as well. better, actually.\ |
| 00:37.26 | techouse | HD :) |
| 00:37.47 | null | on a pent 100? |
| 00:37.58 | shogunx | rxKaffee, this was years ago when I wrote it. it did fine. the box did not even have a head on it. |
| 00:37.59 | techouse | mplayer is the best player for linux, imho |
| 00:38.06 | techouse | vlc is just lame |
| 00:38.16 | pipeline | shogunx: a pentium 133 just isn't fast enough to handle high bit rate MPEG1 |
| 00:38.18 | pipeline | shogunx: period. |
| 00:38.25 | pipeline | shogunx: you might get away with layer two audio |
| 00:38.30 | rxKaffee | shogunx: what distro/version? perhaps it used some different backend processor libs than I used |
| 00:38.31 | pipeline | shogunx: or low bitrate layer three |
| 00:38.32 | techouse | hehehee |
| 00:38.37 | shogunx | pipeline, it was my only stereo for years. |
| 00:38.39 | pipeline | shogunx: but high bitrate layer three just ain't going to happen |
| 00:38.59 | pipeline | shogunx: well, have fun with 128 kbps mp3. A pentium 133 just isn't going to keep up with modern VBR material. |
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| 00:39.24 | shogunx | you cat talk smack all you want, but it worked great for me with a P100 out of a dumpster in 1999. |
| 00:39.35 | techouse | debian really has the sexiest installer of all :) |
| 00:39.42 | techouse | i love the red color in it |
| 00:39.42 | pipeline | shogunx: Yes, in 1999, when you weren't using high bitrate mp3s with VBR :) |
| 00:39.47 | dalias | umm |
| 00:39.56 | dalias | audio-only mp3 should play fine even on a low-end 486 |
| 00:40.04 | pipeline | dalias: Try it and see :) |
| 00:40.05 | dalias | even at high bitrate |
| 00:40.10 | rxKaffee | dalias: what decoder? |
| 00:40.29 | dalias | mplayer's mp3lib is the fastest known one; ffmpeg's is not bad either |
| 00:40.32 | pipeline | shogunx: You could try using madplay -- libmad is a fixed-point decoder. It will at least be DIFFERENT from the performance of mpg321, whether that's good or bad. |
| 00:40.45 | rxKaffee | dalias: fast and light on rimited cpu resources aren't the same thing |
| 00:40.47 | techouse | ffmpeg ftw! |
| 00:40.50 | dalias | mad is fixed-point but entirely unoptimized |
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| 00:41.13 | dalias | rxkaffee, i think i should know what's fast since i'm on the dev team |
| 00:41.59 | dalias | pentium 133 is definitely more than sufficient to play mp3 audio; it will likely even play mpeg1 video with audio |
| 00:42.18 | dalias | pent266/mmx is fast enough for dvd according to some users |
| 00:42.24 | shogunx | pipeline i have plenty of powerful boxen to do it on now. my home entertainment machine is a quad xeon openmosix cluster node. but way back when, i was thrilled with that sb16 pushing mp3s to a circa 1970 or so realistic amp. |
| 00:42.34 | techouse | how much can you OC a p133? |
| 00:42.35 | rxKaffee | dalias: which dev team are you on? |
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| 00:42.41 | dalias | rxkaffee, mplayer |
| 00:42.52 | dalias | techouse, not much. i never had any luck oc'ing it at all |
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| 00:42.58 | techouse | :( |
| 00:43.02 | dalias | it crashes like crazy |
| 00:43.13 | pipeline | shogunx: haha, openmosix. That's about as hilariously dated as your PC stereo :D |
| 00:43.23 | techouse | a phase cooler on it :) |
| 00:43.24 | dalias | :P |
| 00:43.27 | shogunx | pipeline, i should update the script on the site to reflect the mplayer changes anyway. |
| 00:43.32 | rxKaffee | dalias: so you have access to the various libs' benchmark data? |
| 00:43.34 | pipeline | shogunx: And while the amps of the 1970s don't really win on price/performance, it's not like all stereo hardware from that era was crap. |
| 00:43.35 | dalias | cooling won't help beyond a certain point |
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| 00:43.44 | dalias | rxkaffee, i don't have any more access than anyone else |
| 00:43.49 | shogunx | pipeline, that amp was:) |
| 00:43.55 | dalias | we just have a lot of experience with realworld use of the software |
| 00:44.08 | pipeline | shogunx: Yeah, well, Realistic. Whatcha gonna do? |
| 00:44.10 | techouse | pipeline: amps with diodes? :) |
| 00:44.22 | dalias | playing an mp3 with mp3lib, mplayer does not even show up in top on my k6/3-500 |
| 00:44.23 | pipeline | shogunx: I only stopped using my Marantz because 2x20w wasn't enough anymore :P |
| 00:44.28 | dalias | so it's < 0.1% cpu |
| 00:44.37 | shogunx | pipeline, its a real nice technics now. |
| 00:44.50 | rxKaffee | dalias: k6 has much more advanced cpu instructions for multimedia than early pent or 486 |
| 00:44.55 | dalias | naturally you have to compensate for the fact that p133 doesn't have mmx, 3dnow, etc. |
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| 00:45.01 | pipeline | shogunx: I replaced my $2000 marantz with a $200 Onkyo. :P |
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| 00:45.24 | dalias | but if mhz were the only difference, a 1mhz k6 could happily play mp3 with plenty cycles to spare.. |
| 00:45.30 | Laser | hi everybody |
| 00:45.32 | Laser | does anyone use beryl |
| 00:45.34 | Laser | ? |
| 00:45.37 | karsten | !anyone |
| 00:45.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:45.38 | pipeline | shogunx: Not willing to invest in decent enough speakers to make a real man's amplifier worthwhile :) |
| 00:45.41 | Laser | my other desktops don't show the wallpaper |
| 00:45.44 | techouse | why did you do that for?! |
| 00:45.49 | karsten | Laser: What's your question? |
| 00:45.58 | Laser | and i want to fix it |
| 00:46.03 | techouse | oh... |
| 00:46.04 | shogunx | pipeline, tho still nothing compared to the 12" sub in a transmission line, 8" boston midbass drivers, and image dynamics horns i had in my acura once upon a time;) |
| 00:46.26 | pipeline | shogunx: you were going really well until you hit "in my acura". Car audio is where music goes to die. |
| 00:46.31 | slidesinger | I'm trying to get my web server to recognise itself as itself. I am correct in assuming that this is done through bind9? |
| 00:46.55 | techouse | is xmms included on the 1st debian dvd? |
| 00:47.52 | shogunx | pipeline, this acura had the widest and most accurate soundstage you could imagine, tuned with a RTA while hanging out with friends at the Installer Institute: http://www.installerinstitute.com/ it sounded better than most movie theaters |
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| 00:48.07 | Knorrie | slidesinger: or through /etc/hosts |
| 00:48.51 | rxKaffee | anyone recall what command/feature is used to remove libs that were installed as dependencies, but are no longer needed? |
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| 00:49.04 | shogunx | pipeline, tho i agree, MOST car stereo is crap. |
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| 00:49.18 | rocketmagnet | !UPC |
| 00:49.30 | techouse | rxkaffeine: apt-get autoremove ? |
| 00:49.49 | dondelelcaro | ugh. please don't make things up. |
| 00:50.17 | null | Question: Does anyone know of a way to get even smoother fonts than ~/fonts.conf? IIRC there was a way to apt-get something... |
| 00:50.25 | rxKaffee | techouse: no such thing |
| 00:50.32 | pipeline | shogunx: Sounding better than a movie theatre ain't much to aspire to :) |
| 00:50.35 | techouse | hmmm...i used some command 2 hours ago |
| 00:50.36 | Saar | does anyone know how to allow a user to do "ulimit -n xxxx" or set it for any user, I put this in /etc/profile "ulimit -n xxxx" but when a user logs in the system complains it has no permission to set the ulimit |
| 00:50.39 | techouse | it was something like this |
| 00:50.41 | dondelelcaro | well, autoremove would work, but first you have to be running >= lenny, and have things automatically installed. |
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| 00:50.45 | techouse | i'll look into it |
| 00:50.50 | dalias | null, eh? |
| 00:50.53 | rxKaffee | closest I see in apt-get's manpage is autoclean or clean, but those purge all downloaded .debs it sounds |
| 00:50.55 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: just use aptitude, mark the librarys as automatically installed, and then run aptitude. |
| 00:51.05 | pipeline | Saar: You could always set the default ulimit higher with /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 00:51.05 | null | dalias: yes, I remember doing this on my last etch install, and had wonderfully smooth fonts :( |
| 00:51.09 | dalias | ~/.fonts.conf is the place to put per-user config for your fonts |
| 00:51.10 | apt | okay, dalias |
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| 00:51.21 | LinuxMeister | The wierdest thing happens to me with wine and Steam Source games: As soon as im in game, every 3 seconds, the game stutters, its extremely annoying, anyone have any ideas about this? |
| 00:51.23 | dalias | wtf @ apt |
| 00:51.39 | techouse | yeah....i'm pretty sure it was autoremove...it's logged in my terminal |
| 00:51.41 | pipeline | LinuxMeister: hitting swap? |
| 00:51.41 | null | dalias: yes, there was something else I did in addition to that. IIRC, added a custom repo and installed something from it |
| 00:51.41 | rxKaffee | dondelelcaro: not enough resources to have aptitude, do you mean aptitude has a menu option or such that causes it to list all "automatically installed" files? |
| 00:51.46 | waltz | how can I check what drivers (if any) my sound card is using? |
| 00:51.46 | dalias | null, how nice your fonts end up looking depends on what you put in that file... |
| 00:51.50 | LinuxMeister | pipeline: nope |
| 00:51.55 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: eh? aptitude isn't all that big. |
| 00:51.57 | pipeline | waltz: lsmod | grep snd will dig up alsa for you |
| 00:52.01 | dalias | as well as what fonts you install |
| 00:52.01 | rxKaffee | dondelelcaro: neither is my ram ;P |
| 00:52.04 | null | dalias: oh, maybe I should research fonts.conf more...they could use 16xx aa :) |
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| 00:52.06 | waltz | pipeline: okay |
| 00:52.07 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: how much ram do you have? |
| 00:52.12 | dalias | some ppl like the msft core fonts |
| 00:52.17 | dalias | (highly non-free) |
| 00:52.19 | null | dalias: I think that was it! |
| 00:52.22 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: but the point is that you can do stuff like aptitude markauto ~slib~i; |
| 00:52.23 | null | let me google that |
| 00:52.29 | dalias | msft = microsoft |
| 00:52.48 | Saar | pipeline: I see, what item exactly represents ulimit -n which is "maximum file descriptor plus 1" |
| 00:52.48 | dalias | you'll need to add the non-free repo to get them |
| 00:53.24 | techouse | yeah if you use apt-get autoremove package it removes all the dependencies too |
| 00:53.37 | techouse | i just googled it |
| 00:53.45 | null | dalias: thanks, installed :) |
| 00:54.35 | dondelelcaro | techouse: yeah, but first you have to have them marked as automatically installed, and you have to have a version of apt-get that has that feature |
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| 00:54.47 | rxKaffee | odd, my manpage doesn't menitona nything about autoremove |
| 00:54.57 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: because you're running stable, most likely. |
| 00:55.07 | Saar | if it is nofiles, its set to: * soft nofile 65535 ; * hard nofile 65535 |
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| 00:55.09 | null | HELP |
| 00:55.16 | null | my GNUscreen broke |
| 00:55.21 | null | all the other windows are gone... wtf? |
| 00:55.26 | techouse | well....i used that commandline a few hours ago to delete some games from kde |
| 00:55.26 | null | "this IS window0" oh not good not good :( |
| 00:55.33 | __Rui__ | i'm trying to use udev with my 2 usb external hdd's, i have this rule ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="sd*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="WDC_WD32_WD-WCAPD119_888888D88CA8-0:0", SYMLINK+="cinza%n" but it isn't working, any idea why? |
| 00:55.40 | null | And now it fixed itself. |
| 00:56.08 | null | Time to save important files that have been sitting open in GNUscreen for too long. |
| 00:56.36 | techouse | omg! taht p2 333 is slot A :) |
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| 00:56.38 | techouse | hahahaha |
| 00:56.47 | dalias | null, you probably started a new session instead of attaching |
| 00:57.04 | dalias | maybe your old session was still attached somewhere so -R made a new one instead |
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| 00:57.16 | pipeline | Saar: That's a very, very high value. Sounds like you don't really need to be altering limits to be higher, ever :) |
| 00:57.33 | null | dalias: I've been switching in this same session for the past 30 minutes, and it suddenly said this WAS Window0 and there were no other windows. Then after freaking out for 20 seconds and smashing Ctrl+A,N, Ctrl+A,P, it magically found all my other windows... |
| 00:57.36 | dondelelcaro | __Rui__: are you sure you have the serial correct? Have you unplugged and plugged back in the device? |
| 00:58.01 | dalias | null, weird.. are you sure you didn't have another session going or something? |
| 00:58.08 | dalias | i've never heard of that happening.. |
| 00:58.26 | null | dalias: positive. I tried to create a window a few times and it would just hang before giving me a prompt, then spit me back to my irssi window, then it found everything else |
| 00:58.26 | mazzanet | win 22 |
| 00:58.39 | __Rui__ | dondelelcaro: yes the serial is correct that i'm sure |
| 00:58.52 | techouse | omg! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=377484 |
| 00:59.10 | techouse | careful with that autoremove thing |
| 00:59.16 | __Rui__ | dondelelcaro: to obtain the serial i'm using udevmonitor --env |
| 00:59.25 | null | Wait, why careful with autoremove? |
| 00:59.29 | null | I use it with blatant disregard. |
| 00:59.37 | techouse | read that link |
| 00:59.56 | dalias | ubuntu != debian |
| 01:00.06 | techouse | he removed some kde app and it wiped out his entire kde-desktop |
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| 01:00.13 | techouse | well...true but kde is still kde |
| 01:00.14 | techouse | :) |
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| 01:00.41 | dalias | sounds like this idiot got kde installed because something else depended on it... |
| 01:00.48 | dalias | and never explicitly requested kde |
| 01:00.50 | techouse | yeah |
| 01:00.53 | dalias | then got upset when it was removed |
| 01:00.59 | techouse | :D |
| 01:01.00 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 01:01.04 | DeFirence | 3am ftl |
| 01:01.13 | techouse | it's 2am herwe |
| 01:01.14 | haggz | it's the classic reverse-dependency metapackage trap, gets 'em every time |
| 01:01.14 | null | KDE is bloat, but I still really like Amarok. |
| 01:01.15 | techouse | here* |
| 01:01.26 | DeFirence | why cant there be like 35 hours in a day :( |
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| 01:01.30 | techouse | amarok and kopete are the best kde appz |
| 01:01.32 | dalias | haggz, ? |
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| 01:01.52 | dalias | what is amarok? |
| 01:02.01 | techouse | an mp3 player |
| 01:02.02 | dalias | only kde app i like is kword |
| 01:02.02 | null | DeFirence: there are, but they're 41 minutes long. |
| 01:02.16 | DeFirence | lool |
| 01:02.23 | haggz | dalias: the forum thread linked to, new users often don't understand at all how apt handles dependencies especially in the context of removing packages, lots of people shoot their feet off that way |
| 01:02.28 | DeFirence | null: stop thinking in binary :P |
| 01:02.35 | null | Amarok is excellent for large (300 GB+) MP3 collections. MySQL database for MP3 collection, woo! |
| 01:02.53 | techouse | well....i've kde installed cause the fu*king ubuntu human gnome theme made me puke |
| 01:03.10 | techouse | i started hating gnome from that day on |
| 01:03.12 | null | I'm really disappointed the XKCD hoodie is crap. I've been looking for a cool hoodie to purchase since I'm cold and have money. Any ideas? |
| 01:03.36 | dondelelcaro | null: threadless |
| 01:03.42 | null | They have hoodies? |
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| 01:04.06 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 01:04.09 | dalias | haggz, i see |
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| 01:05.09 | dalias | using mysql for a personal database is just stupid |
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| 01:05.29 | dalias | client-server database arch is for amazon.com and the like |
| 01:05.40 | dalias | for anything smaller it's just stupid bloat |
| 01:05.48 | dalias | at most use sqlite |
| 01:06.03 | dalias | more reasonable would be flat textfiles or the filesystem directory hierarchy |
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| 01:06.55 | dalias | :P |
| 01:07.05 | techouse | holly carp i'm not doing anything and kde eats 780 MB ram?! |
| 01:07.12 | dalias | i doubt it |
| 01:07.21 | dalias | where did you see thsi number 780? |
| 01:07.29 | techouse | top |
| 01:07.33 | dalias | most ppl have no idea how to check memory usage |
| 01:07.34 | techouse | in terminal |
| 01:07.39 | dalias | which number in top? |
| 01:08.05 | techouse | that before the word used |
| 01:08.07 | techouse | :) |
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| 01:08.21 | dalias | that's generally meaningless |
| 01:08.24 | dalias | it includes cache |
| 01:08.30 | techouse | Mem: 1036372k total, 780980k used, 255392k free, 186672k buffers |
| 01:08.37 | dalias | it should always be roughly the same as the amount of physical memory you have |
| 01:08.40 | MU9214 | is there a fairly recent guide on sharing a printer across a network? I got the printer installed on the computer, but i dont know how to share it on the LAN. |
| 01:08.45 | dalias | if it's lower it just measn your box has not been up very long yet |
| 01:08.50 | haggz | techouse: cat /proc/meminfo to see what's really going on |
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| 01:09.14 | null | dalias: thanks, my fonts are great now :) woo for stealing from ms |
| 01:09.47 | dalias | :P |
| 01:09.50 | techouse | well...the free number is the same :P |
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| 01:09.56 | dalias | there are very nice free fonts too |
| 01:09.56 | techouse | 220 mb cached |
| 01:10.01 | dalias | but the default config isn't so good |
| 01:10.07 | MU9214 | anyone?? |
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| 01:10.12 | dalias | techouse, in free, look at the +/- cache line |
| 01:10.30 | techouse | does anyone need the whole vista fonts folder? i rared it; it' about 150 MB |
| 01:10.31 | dalias | that's somewhat accurate but still it's not so easy to define what the amount of "used" memory is |
| 01:10.40 | null | techouse: why would people need that? |
| 01:10.40 | dalias | techouse, wow cool |
| 01:10.45 | MU9214 | is there a fairly recent guide on sharing a printer across a network? I got the printer installed on the computer, but i dont know how to share it on the LAN. |
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| 01:11.01 | rxKaffee | alright, well thanks for trying guys maybe I can do some crossreference between my sudo ilogs and dpkg -l or sometihng |
| 01:11.04 | dalias | null, vista has lots of fonts for languages that otherwise have no fonts |
| 01:11.15 | null | dalias: really? that is excellent |
| 01:11.33 | dondelelcaro | rxKaffee: why can't you run aptitude? If it's really that big of a deal, there's deborphan and/or debfoster, but they pale in comparison to aptitude. |
| 01:11.38 | dalias | or at least no complete fonts |
| 01:11.38 | techouse | free -m is also good :) |
| 01:11.49 | techouse | well...i could upload it somewhere |
| 01:11.52 | dalias | mongolian, uyghur, perhaps also burmese |
| 01:12.08 | dondelelcaro | (and unless you're talking about a machine with less than 32M, aptitude should have no problem running) |
| 01:12.10 | MU9214 | anyone?? |
| 01:12.10 | techouse | since i have a msdnaa genuine vista :) |
| 01:12.18 | MU9214 | no one knows how to share printers on a network? |
| 01:12.26 | dalias | dondelelcaro, aptitude has trouble (massive swapping) on my box with 128 megs |
| 01:12.26 | null | MU9214: CUPS |
| 01:12.36 | dondelelcaro | MU9214: set up the printer using cups and allow other people to connect to it. |
| 01:12.38 | ben_goodger | techouse: please do upload it |
| 01:12.42 | dondelelcaro | MU9214: it's not terribly difficult |
| 01:12.42 | MU9214 | null: but how? have the printer installed on the computer... then what? |
| 01:12.56 | dalias | don't you still need samba to share it? |
| 01:13.00 | MU9214 | dondelelcaro: i have the printer installed, whats the next step? How do i let people connect to it? |
| 01:13.06 | techouse | dalias: -/+ buffers/cache: 362 649 |
| 01:13.07 | null | MU9214: It is rather complicated, find a tutorial |
| 01:13.08 | ben_goodger | dalias: for windows, yes |
| 01:13.12 | dondelelcaro | null: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Linux_printer_sharing_with_CUPS |
| 01:13.17 | dondelelcaro | s/null/MU9214/ |
| 01:13.21 | dalias | techouse, ok, so 362 used :) |
| 01:13.39 | techouse | so free -m is better than top |
| 01:13.40 | techouse | :) |
| 01:13.45 | dalias | but it's still hard to say what that means |
| 01:13.50 | techouse | yeah |
| 01:13.51 | techouse | :D |
| 01:13.59 | dondelelcaro | well, free reports what's going on, but you can't use top's output to figure out what applications are using it |
| 01:14.23 | dalias | because much of it is shared, and even stuff that's not shared between multiple processes might have backing on disk |
| 01:14.24 | dalias | which means it doesn't really consume memory (if something else needs the memory it can be discarded and reloaded) |
| 01:14.35 | techouse | yeah... |
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| 01:14.47 | dondelelcaro | right; VSS (which is what you're probably looking at) is only indicative of the memory that is mapped, not necessarily the memory in use |
| 01:15.10 | shogunx | dondelelcaro, htop? |
| 01:15.20 | techouse | i like the new feature that micro$oft implemented in vista; if you stick in an empty usb key it uses it as ram :) |
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| 01:15.31 | dalias | techouse, lol |
| 01:15.32 | techouse | i forgot the name of that thing |
| 01:15.38 | dalias | do you know how slow that would be? |
| 01:15.46 | dondelelcaro | uh... you can do that in linux if you want too, but swap on usb would suck |
| 01:15.48 | dalias | flash is even slower than hard drives |
| 01:16.02 | dalias | and flash only has a limited number of writes in its lifetime |
| 01:16.08 | dalias | so using it as swap would kill its lifespan |
| 01:16.11 | techouse | yeah...that's a problem |
| 01:16.33 | ben_goodger | however, using it as cache... |
| 01:16.53 | dalias | cache for what? |
| 01:16.59 | techouse | how's the SolidStateDisk development coming along? |
| 01:17.02 | dalias | it's _slower_ than disks |
| 01:17.10 | ben_goodger | meh |
| 01:17.17 | dalias | maybe cache for remote network drives? |
| 01:17.20 | dalias | :P |
| 01:17.58 | dondelelcaro | shogunx: I don't know if htop actually breaks it out; looking at /proc/<pid>/{s,}maps is more useful |
| 01:18.16 | techouse | omg...installing debian at 70% on the old box |
| 01:18.37 | shogunx | from my experience apps load quite faster from ata form factor flash than a standard magnetic rotating disk. |
| 01:19.18 | shogunx | dondelelcaro, thats good to know. thanks. |
| 01:19.32 | techouse | i'll upload the vista fonts (+ photoshop cs3 fonts) later to megaupload and give you guys the link |
| 01:19.42 | ben_goodger | techouse: thanks |
| 01:19.46 | techouse | ;) |
| 01:19.50 | techouse | no problemo |
| 01:20.06 | techouse | it took me 15 min to compress them to rar on a core2duo e6600 |
| 01:21.00 | ben_goodger | hell |
| 01:22.28 | cpilka | for all mutt users: 1.5.17 has been released today's evening |
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| 01:23.36 | maddash | why in the hell would arping require root? |
| 01:24.00 | fujin_ | raw socket |
| 01:24.03 | fujin_ | next question |
| 01:24.11 | kgoetz | lol |
| 01:24.35 | maddash | huh? |
| 01:24.37 | stew | maddash: the same reason ping requires root |
| 01:24.42 | maddash | ping doesn't require root |
| 01:24.45 | stew | maddash: becuase access to raw sockets is root only |
| 01:24.46 | dondelelcaro | maddash: sure it does |
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| 01:25.01 | fujin_ | no, ping does not |
| 01:25.04 | maddash | bryant@nfkb:~/csa$ ping 192.168.1.1PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 01:25.14 | dondelelcaro | maddash: uh... ping is u+s |
| 01:25.21 | stew | maddash: what does "ls -l $(which ping)" return? |
| 01:25.21 | maddash | setuid? |
| 01:25.25 | stew | yes |
| 01:25.25 | waltz | yep |
| 01:25.37 | maddash | interest |
| 01:25.38 | maddash | ing |
| 01:25.39 | fujin_ | HACKING WITH PINNNG |
| 01:25.49 | dondelelcaro | which is why arping is u+s by default, too. |
| 01:25.56 | maddash | dondelelcaro: nope. |
| 01:25.59 | waltz | ping won't allow you to escalate your priviledges :) |
| 01:26.06 | maddash | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18732 2006-07-22 20:40 /usr/sbin/arping |
| 01:26.06 | dondelelcaro | maddash: sure it is |
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| 01:26.26 | maddash | :) |
| 01:26.34 | dondelelcaro | maddash: uh... that's not debian's arping |
| 01:26.47 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/arping |
| 01:26.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:26.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/arping' (2): (/usr/sbin/arping) in net/arping ;; (/usr/bin/arping) in net/iputils-arping. |
| 01:26.59 | maddash | arping package |
| 01:27.18 | maddash | dondelelcaro: oh no! who is this imposter? |
| 01:27.18 | dondelelcaro | well, I'm talking about iputils-arping, not the arping package |
| 01:27.35 | techouse | th vista fonts will be up in 2 hours |
| 01:27.43 | fujin_ | iputils-arping is u+s |
| 01:27.45 | dondelelcaro | techouse: we don't particularly care about them |
| 01:27.49 | techouse | the* |
| 01:27.56 | fujin_ | although, Calibri *is* nice |
| 01:28.01 | techouse | well....you could use some :) |
| 01:28.13 | techouse | 173 MB |
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| 01:28.29 | dondelelcaro | techouse: no, we couldn't. Using them without a license would be illegal; providing links to them in this channel will result in you being banned. |
| 01:28.38 | techouse | 346 fonts :) |
| 01:28.56 | techouse | w00t |
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| 01:29.13 | dalias | that was unnecessary |
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| 01:29.42 | dondelelcaro | techouse: kindly spend the next 10 minutes reflecting on what I've just said. |
| 01:29.44 | maddash | so what's the diff b/n iputil-arping vs. non-iputils? |
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| 01:30.42 | maddash | and why does iputils-arping require the interface to be specified? what a friggin' hassle |
| 01:31.22 | dondelelcaro | maddash: the arp table shoudl be interface specific |
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| 01:31.38 | dalias | *nod* |
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| 01:33.08 | maddash | for i in `seq 1 254`; do arping -I eth1 -c 1 192.168.1.${i}|grep reply >> subnet.tracking; echo " ">> subnet.tracking; done |
| 01:33.13 | maddash | muhahaha |
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| 01:36.57 | techouse | :P |
| 01:37.22 | techouse | that really wasn't necessary |
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| 01:38.52 | GodKilla- | hey all |
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| 01:39.24 | GodKilla- | is it possible to replace an already installed packet by an older version of thta same packet? |
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| 01:39.49 | dalias | package |
| 01:40.06 | dalias | reminds me of the quote... |
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| 01:41.33 | optraz1 | hi, for the different language in linux, what package that own them ? |
| 01:41.43 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: programming languages you mean? |
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| 01:42.39 | optraz1 | dondelelcaro: not really. we can select different language, like chinse, english, france, spain in linux. i would like to know what package provide those functionality |
| 01:43.13 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: oh, locales provides the functionality to use different locales, and the packages themselves for the most part contain the translated phrases |
| 01:43.39 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: in specific cases there are packages which have been separated out (manpages and other big bits of documentation primarily) |
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| 01:44.46 | optraz1 | dondelelcaro: so u have not answer me whcih package? |
| 01:45.14 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: because there's no specific package that does it. |
| 01:45.42 | dalias | bleh can't find it :( |
| 01:45.45 | rxKaffee | dondelelcaro: I'd have to stop most of the services on the system to free enough ram for aptitude. debfoster is the name that I couldn't recall and should be exactly what I need. thanks :D |
| 01:45.47 | dalias | anyway it went something like |
| 01:45.49 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: in theory, you should be able to just export LANG="de"; and everything will be in germany, for example. |
| 01:45.59 | dalias | "redhat is best distro because it has a packet system!!!" |
| 01:46.14 | dondelelcaro | s/germany/german/ |
| 01:46.24 | optraz1 | dondelelcaro: i want only english support and other language should be remove off. |
| 01:46.24 | dondelelcaro | (were that setting lang could cause you to travel) |
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| 01:46.41 | dalias | dondelelcaro, try LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 |
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| 01:46.57 | dalias | otherwise we'll create more latin-1 hell for the next generation... |
| 01:47.10 | dondelelcaro | sure, was just an example |
| 01:47.31 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: there's no real point, unless you don't have enough disk space. |
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| 01:47.43 | optraz1 | dondelelcaro: EXACTLY. i dont have enough disk psace. |
| 01:47.51 | dalias | you can find the po files and remove them |
| 01:47.56 | optraz1 | dondelelcaro: u still have not answer my question, which pcakge that own the languge? |
| 01:47.56 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: localepurge will get rid of unecessary locales, but odds are high that there are other things that are taking up your disk space. |
| 01:47.57 | dalias | but they're not separate packages |
| 01:47.57 | pfak | Anyone have any guides for tuning I/O on 2.6? I'm having issues where heavy IO on a software RAID1 is locking up the system pretty badly... |
| 01:48.02 | dalias | they're part of whatever package they go with |
| 01:48.15 | dondelelcaro | optraz1: I've told you that no package contains the language specifically in three different ways. |
| 01:48.20 | dalias | optraz1, there's no "german language" package |
| 01:48.34 | dalias | instead, ever program which is translated into german has its own german translation files |
| 01:48.44 | dalias | as part of its own package |
| 01:48.50 | dalias | and same for other langs of course |
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| 01:48.51 | dondelelcaro | which get installed into /usr/share/locales/ typically. |
| 01:49.05 | dondelelcaro | s/es/e/ |
| 01:49.07 | simonrvn | this isn't ubuntu where they have a german language or japanese language pack |
| 01:49.16 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps gettext) |
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| 01:50.18 | maddash | die po die |
| 01:50.26 | dalias | ? |
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| 01:53.27 | waltz | how do I get NetworkManager to NOT overwrite my /etc/resolv.conf every time I reboot? |
| 01:53.40 | techouse | how do i enable automount in xfce? |
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| 01:53.55 | zamuro | Do you have HAL? |
| 01:53.59 | dondelelcaro | waltz: use resolvconf instead? |
| 01:54.03 | dondelelcaro | waltz: make it immutable? |
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| 01:54.11 | waltz | dondelelcaro: where? how? |
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| 01:54.45 | dondelelcaro | waltz: chattr +i /etc/resolvconf; if it's ext2/3. My personal favorite is just not using network manager and using resolvconf instead. |
| 01:54.58 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, I've no problem with munging /etc/network/interfaces et al) |
| 01:55.53 | waltz | dondelelcaro: how do I not use NetworkManager? |
| 01:56.15 | waltz | dondelelcaro: also, resolveconf/ is a directory... |
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| 01:56.56 | optraz1 | thanks dondelelcaro localepurget is helpful |
| 01:57.09 | DeFirence | lol, i wonder if any online radio stations have made voice overs with at&t text to speech engines before... |
| 01:57.24 | dalias | defirence, why"? |
| 01:57.28 | DeFirence | </random> |
| 01:57.29 | DeFirence | :P |
| 01:57.35 | dalias | because the operators are too nerdy to actually speak themselves? |
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| 01:57.46 | DeFirence | haha |
| 01:57.51 | DeFirence | i dunno |
| 01:57.54 | DeFirence | im gonna try |
| 01:58.23 | DeFirence | for voiceovers, like: "visit our website at www.somerandomlink.com" |
| 01:58.25 | waltz | dondelelcaro: please? |
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| 02:00.54 | DeFirence | omg |
| 02:00.59 | DeFirence | 4am ftl |
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| 02:01.54 | k-man_ | ftl? |
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| 02:02.29 | DeFirence | for the loose :P |
| 02:02.47 | k-man_ | for the loose? |
| 02:02.57 | DeFirence | google it |
| 02:02.58 | DeFirence | :P |
| 02:03.01 | DeFirence | "ftl" |
| 02:03.17 | k-man_ | faster than light? |
| 02:03.42 | k-man_ | full truck load? |
| 02:03.57 | DeFirence | lol |
| 02:04.02 | DeFirence | for the lose* |
| 02:04.37 | DeFirence | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTL > # For The Lose or For The Loss, Internet slang, the opposite of For The Win: see List of Internet slang phrases |
| 02:05.08 | k-man_ | ah, i see |
| 02:05.09 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 02:05.24 | DeFirence | hehe |
| 02:05.53 | DeFirence | arg its late |
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| 02:06.02 | DeFirence | i must really sleep now :/ |
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| 02:06.34 | k-man_ | DeFirence, maybe some sleep is in order? ftw? |
| 02:06.45 | DeFirence | haha |
| 02:06.48 | DeFirence | yes |
| 02:07.05 | waltz | coffee ftw |
| 02:07.08 | DeFirence | staight after i finish installing adobe audition |
| 02:07.11 | waltz | late-night coding is the best |
| 02:07.16 | DeFirence | and a few other things |
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| 02:07.42 | DeFirence | ill leave the rest of the debian test server setup and shell scripts till later |
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| 02:07.56 | k-man_ | DeFirence, interesting... have you tried audacity? |
| 02:08.07 | DeFirence | hmm no |
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| 02:08.21 | DeFirence | i havnt actually used adobe audition before either |
| 02:08.24 | k-man_ | probably not quite as advanced as audition, but its pretty damn good imho |
| 02:08.29 | DeFirence | i used to use cool edit pro |
| 02:08.35 | k-man_ | DeFirence, and it runs under linux |
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| 02:08.44 | DeFirence | but that got bought and turned into abobe audition |
| 02:08.45 | DeFirence | :S |
| 02:08.46 | waltz | dondelelcaro |
| 02:09.07 | DeFirence | ill look at that k-man :) |
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| 02:09.18 | DeFirence | when i can open both eyes again |
| 02:09.19 | DeFirence | ;p |
| 02:09.52 | DeFirence | a quick question... |
| 02:10.06 | DeFirence | how do u port scan a server to see which ports are open? |
| 02:10.26 | slidesinger | The docs I am reading keep telling me to use /etc/init.d/named stop/start/restart to control named, but this file does not exist. Anyone know why? |
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| 02:11.08 | DeFirence | rofl |
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| 02:11.17 | DeFirence | are u joking slidesinger? |
| 02:11.30 | DeFirence | are u pretending to be retarded? |
| 02:11.33 | Tafari | The system is going down for reboot NOW!.com (pts/0) |
| 02:11.38 | DeFirence | or is that a serious question? |
| 02:11.38 | Tafari | was the .com necessary ? |
| 02:11.40 | Tafari | lol |
| 02:11.41 | DeFirence | o.O |
| 02:12.12 | maddash | wooooooooot tech support! |
| 02:12.18 | maddash | defirence: nmap |
| 02:12.24 | DeFirence | kk |
| 02:12.24 | DeFirence | :) |
| 02:12.43 | waltz | slidesinger: you're looking for bind, not named |
| 02:12.45 | slidesinger | Not really, but I am tired so I may be overlooking the obvious. (was using docs from debian administration so I assumed the file would have been installed when I installed bind. |
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| 02:13.11 | waltz | slidesinger: /etc/init.d/bind9 |
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| 02:13.46 | DeFirence | or /etc/init.d/bind{press tab key on YOUR keyboard} |
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| 02:14.33 | maddash | defirence: what if I want to |
| 02:14.41 | maddash | "press tab key on YOUR keyboard"? |
| 02:14.50 | DeFirence | lol |
| 02:15.05 | DeFirence | then ill say "Good Luck with that" |
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| 02:15.42 | waltz | how do I not use NetworkManager? |
| 02:15.51 | DeFirence | and when u manage to, press in your bank account number and ill send u money :P |
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| 02:16.45 | axscode | where are the drivers located in debian? |
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| 02:17.10 | dondelelcaro | axscode: in the kernel package (for the most part) and /lib/modules; |
| 02:17.16 | dondelelcaro | waltz: remove it. |
| 02:17.39 | maddash | hahaha ppp |
| 02:18.57 | slidesinger | Methinks tis time to quit staring at computer screens and retire, perchance to sleep, perchance to dream. |
| 02:18.58 | DeFirence | does anyone here use vnc to connect to their debian server? |
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| 02:19.03 | axscode | dondelelcaro: what script that loads them? |
| 02:19.34 | dondelelcaro | axscode: depends on when they get loaded; the udev or the initrd for the most part. |
| 02:19.36 | slidesinger | DeFirence: I've done it in an LTSP environment. |
| 02:19.49 | axscode | udev = kernel |
| 02:19.55 | axscode | initrd = userland |
| 02:19.56 | axscode | ? |
| 02:20.28 | DeFirence | let me rephrase the question... does anyone here use vnc to remotely connect to their debian box regualarly? |
| 02:20.48 | axscode | mostly ssh |
| 02:21.03 | slidesinger | ssh |
| 02:21.07 | k-man_ | DeFirence, i have done in the past |
| 02:21.22 | DeFirence | lol |
| 02:21.23 | k-man_ | DeFirence, i had gdm working over vnc |
| 02:21.27 | DeFirence | ok |
| 02:21.44 | k-man_ | DeFirence, but since my reinstall, X has been giving me problems |
| 02:21.57 | DeFirence | i felt like making someones life easier, but no one seems to use vnc alot |
| 02:21.58 | DeFirence | ::P |
| 02:22.13 | k-man_ | in what way? |
| 02:22.13 | slidesinger | New tip? |
| 02:22.25 | DeFirence | new tip, ye |
| 02:22.30 | DeFirence | throw away vnc |
| 02:22.35 | DeFirence | and install NX :) |
| 02:23.06 | k-man_ | oh |
| 02:23.21 | k-man_ | but isn't the client closed source? |
| 02:23.27 | DeFirence | nx is better, faster and more stable |
| 02:23.49 | DeFirence | it is, but so what... i mean really, it works a whole lot better |
| 02:23.55 | DeFirence | !nx |
| 02:23.55 | dpkg | methinks nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 02:24.08 | k-man_ | yeah |
| 02:24.13 | k-man_ | i don't like non free |
| 02:24.21 | DeFirence | ive been using it for years |
| 02:24.26 | DeFirence | its free |
| 02:24.27 | slidesinger | !ltsp |
| 02:24.27 | dpkg | ltsp is, like, the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 02:24.29 | DeFirence | for linux |
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| 02:25.26 | axscode | can someone explains me about udev .. how it loads the drivers |
| 02:25.40 | slidesinger | ltsp is also at #ltsp |
| 02:25.59 | DeFirence | nx is also at #nx |
| 02:26.00 | DeFirence | :P |
| 02:26.03 | k-man_ | free as in beer, not free as in speech |
| 02:26.41 | slidesinger | ltsp meets the fsf guidelines. |
| 02:26.52 | maddash | woooot hacked the damn wifi in 2 min...now I can ntpdate with glee! |
| 02:26.58 | k-man_ | slidesinger, i was complaining about nx, not ltsp |
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| 02:27.08 | k-man_ | slidesinger, i don;t know anything about ltsp |
| 02:27.11 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 02:32.20 | gribouille | hi |
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| 02:33.25 | DeFirence | lo gribouille |
| 02:33.38 | gribouille | DeFirence, lo |
| 02:34.37 | susanne-- | so i've installed shntool but apparently the supporting codecs haven't been installed, and i can't figure out how to install them. i'm trying to convert shorten files to wav. |
| 02:34.43 | susanne-- | any pointers welcome. |
| 02:36.11 | gribouille | I'm creating a deb package for one of my programs, and I have a problem : the software (writtent in C++) contains shared libraries and executables that uses these libraries. when I build hte package, dpkg-shlibdeps warns that it can't find a package for the shared libraries, while these libraries are provided by the current package.what can I do ? |
| 02:36.35 | axscode | path? |
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| 02:38.53 | Nyle | hi |
| 02:38.55 | VraiVrai | debian = gangsterlicious |
| 02:39.03 | VraiVrai | i'm a gangsta |
| 02:39.10 | VraiVrai | gimme your linux biatch |
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| 02:39.38 | VraiVrai | hnds in the air so you cant type on your fuckin keyboard asshole |
| 02:40.02 | VraiVrai | assholes sorry so evryody feels concerned |
| 02:40.05 | VraiVrai | moros |
| 02:40.12 | VraiVrai | n$ |
| 02:40.34 | VraiVrai | shorten files are for useless ple like you |
| 02:40.46 | VraiVrai | BROKEN |
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| 02:40.55 | VraiVrai | ahahahahahaha |
| 02:40.57 | VraiVrai | ah. |
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| 02:41.05 | VraiVrai | i'm miller's apprentice |
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| 02:41.10 | tdrusk | Is there a way I can close my screen and have it shut down with gnome? |
| 02:41.15 | Azar | messer Nyle, what a pleasure! |
| 02:41.31 | Besson | béh dis donc hé ho |
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| 02:41.43 | Besson | luc besson is richer thn you all so stfu |
| 02:41.59 | Besson | claire besson |
| 02:42.01 | Besson | haha |
| 02:42.05 | Azar | !ops [n=guillaum@ven69-1-82-235-159-65.fbx.proxad.net |
| 02:42.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azar complains about: [n=guillaum@ven69-1-82-235-159-65.fbx.proxad.net |
| 02:42.13 | Besson | shut up |
| 02:42.16 | solanaceo | hi guys. please,.. i would to know.. is there a way in debian (i came from gentoo) to install diferent versions of the same package,??? |
| 02:42.16 | Besson | get a lige |
| 02:42.21 | Besson | NO. |
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| 02:42.32 | Besson | NOT FOR YOU. |
| 02:42.39 | Azar | solanaceo: use backports |
| 02:42.41 | Besson | YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW MILLER'S TRAINING |
| 02:42.45 | Azar | !backports |
| 02:42.45 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 02:42.54 | Besson | shut Azar |
| 02:42.58 | Besson | you're not gunny |
| 02:43.03 | gribouille | Besson, ben oué, luc besson il est riche. il a pas besoin d'aller chez free |
| 02:43.08 | Besson | i'd say you suck |
| 02:43.09 | troubled | Besson: please keep it civil |
| 02:43.12 | Besson | shut up |
| 02:43.16 | Besson | you run debian |
| 02:43.20 | solanaceo | Azar, many tanks dude |
| 02:43.26 | Besson | what do i have to learn from you |
| 02:43.28 | Azar | !ops Besson trolls |
| 02:43.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azar complains about: Besson trolls |
| 02:43.31 | Besson | FUCKTARD |
| 02:43.40 | Besson | c'est bon ca |
| 02:43.49 | Besson | ce quil vous a is bade de cons |
| 02:43.50 | Azar | cochon :) |
| 02:43.52 | tdrusk | Wow this channel gets crazy at night. |
| 02:44.01 | Besson | rrrr |
| 02:44.05 | Besson | horny linux user |
| 02:44.06 | susanne-- | i'd say something like, besson is a dickless bastard trying to have a one-infant penis-waving contest ... but ... i'm busy. |
| 02:44.20 | Besson | i don't have a pe is |
| 02:44.25 | Besson | i'm besson bitch |
| 02:44.29 | susanne-- | we can tell. |
| 02:44.30 | Besson | you don't know about me |
| 02:44.41 | Besson | come here ad squeeze my tits |
| 02:44.43 | Azar | Besson cochon bon bon |
| 02:44.44 | Besson | OH YEEEES |
| 02:44.50 | Besson | t'aas rie compris |
| 02:44.54 | Besson | read a book. |
| 02:45.01 | maddash | er, oui oui? wtf? |
| 02:45.11 | maddash | !ops so much vulgarity in one screen |
| 02:45.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: so much vulgarity in one screen |
| 02:45.12 | Besson | GET A LIFE. ADOPT A COCHON DINDE |
| 02:45.28 | maddash | hm, ops are dead |
| 02:45.38 | maddash | !ops please help? |
| 02:45.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: please help |
| 02:45.41 | Besson | C'EST TOI DEAD |
| 02:45.53 | Besson | i see dea |
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| 02:45.58 | susanne-- | he'll get tired of rubbing his stump sooner or later. |
| 02:46.03 | Besson | dead pple on the wall |
| 02:46.12 | Besson | and on the floor too |
| 02:46.19 | Besson | me? get tired |
| 02:46.26 | streuner | Besson: Stop! |
| 02:46.28 | maddash | jesus christ |
| 02:46.33 | chuck | !staff Besson |
| 02:46.36 | Besson | haha do u kow who your messing wid |
| 02:46.38 | maddash | what's with the shitty op-ing tonight? |
| 02:46.39 | Besson | dawg |
| 02:46.42 | Besson | haha |
| 02:46.47 | Besson | je te dérive moi |
| 02:46.51 | Besson | je suis prof de maths |
| 02:46.53 | streuner | !tell Besson about enter |
| 02:46.57 | Besson | hé ho |
| 02:47.00 | chuck | !tell chuck about enter |
| 02:47.03 | maddash | streuner: any clue? |
| 02:47.05 | Azar | um, ouin /ignore ca fait bon |
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| 02:47.08 | troubled | tomaw: triger fingers plz |
| 02:47.10 | Besson | ta gueule |
| 02:47.11 | Besson | abruti |
| 02:47.14 | maddash | streuner: as in wtf is going on, that is |
| 02:47.16 | Besson | t'es pire que moi |
| 02:47.17 | susanne-- | !ops Besson (n=guillaum@ven69-1-82-235-159-65.fbx.proxad.net) -- for god's sake, make this fuckball go away! |
| 02:47.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: susanne-- complains about: Besson (n=guillaum@ven69-1-82-235-159-65.fbx.proxad.net) -- for god's sake, make this fuckball go away! |
| 02:47.21 | Besson | and that's something |
| 02:47.29 | Besson | BLABLA |
| 02:47.53 | chuck | Besson: i always wondered this, what is your motive for doing this? |
| 02:47.56 | troubled | susanne--: please, no need to swear :) |
| 02:47.56 | streuner | Besson: DONT USE the ENTER KEY TOO MUCH! |
| 02:47.59 | maddash | besson: power overwhelming! |
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| 02:48.16 | maddash | haha, I think this guy has hacked the !ops function |
| 02:48.19 | maddash | besson kudos! |
| 02:48.37 | shogunx | this one is far too ignorant. we usually get such higher quality trolls... |
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| 02:48.50 | susanne-- | god. let's do something useful. |
| 02:48.52 | susanne-- | !flamewar |
| 02:48.52 | dpkg | hmm... flamewar is that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 02:48.58 | streuner | thats the best, somebody from ubuntu must help #debian to get rid of a troll, great! |
| 02:49.00 | maddash | nalioith: what was that? |
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| 02:49.22 | Nyle | hey |
| 02:49.30 | Nyle | I always wanted to grow up and be a troll |
| 02:49.32 | variable_office | what package do i need for 'killall' |
| 02:49.32 | maddash | wtfwtfwtf was that? |
| 02:49.35 | variable_office | ? |
| 02:49.39 | solanaceo | Nyle, XD |
| 02:49.39 | maddash | !+find killall |
| 02:49.41 | dondelelcaro | maddash: a perfectly appropriate ban. |
| 02:49.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:49.43 | chuck | variable_office: O.o |
| 02:49.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'killall' (6 of 10): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc ;; (/sbin/killall5) in admin/sysvinit-utils ;; (/usr/bin/pkillall) in utils/librapi2-tools ;; (/usr/lib/util-vserver/legacy/vserverkillall) in net/util-vserver ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Unix/_killall) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-1/functions/Completion/Unix/_killall) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 02:49.50 | chuck | variable_office: it should come with it, i think |
| 02:49.58 | chuck | debian, that is |
| 02:50.06 | maddash | dondelelcaro: no shit. I was referring to the super-sized ban delay |
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| 02:50.33 | Nyle | psmisc eh |
| 02:50.35 | Nyle | I did not know that |
| 02:50.37 | variable_office | ah psmisc did it, thanks |
| 02:50.38 | dondelelcaro | maddash: that's just because no one was paying attention |
| 02:50.44 | Azar | what up Nyle? |
| 02:50.46 | maddash | dondelelcaro: :( |
| 02:50.58 | maddash | "FE"? |
| 02:51.11 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 02:51.12 | dpkg | Fe is Ferrum, or Iron, atomic number 26, 55.847amu. FE is dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, ie 'eg.'. FE can also mean Functional Entity or possibly Form End. |
| 02:51.15 | Nyle | I saw him at Jazzfest |
| 02:51.23 | maddash | omg a girl on irc! |
| 02:51.30 | Nyle | how come 'front end' isn't in there |
| 02:51.40 | maddash | irony/moronic/oxymoron/xkcd emp zap |
| 02:52.02 | Nyle | dpkg fe is also front-end |
| 02:52.02 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 02:52.15 | Nyle | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 02:52.15 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
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| 02:52.25 | shogunx | bahahaha |
| 02:52.33 | Azar | Nyle: wi-fi companies sued, atheros included damn |
| 02:52.33 | Nyle | hmm, burned by the bot |
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| 02:52.46 | DeFirence | lol |
| 02:52.47 | Nyle | Azar: I have the worlds strongest drink next to me. |
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| 02:52.57 | DeFirence | dpkg: your mother |
| 02:52.57 | dpkg | Mrs. Apt is well, thank you. |
| 02:53.03 | DeFirence | :D |
| 02:53.03 | Azar | Nyle: the power is with you then |
| 02:53.11 | shogunx | Azar thats just a patent troll doing the lawsuits. |
| 02:53.13 | Nyle | Azar: and you too, and the power rangers for sure |
| 02:53.22 | Nyle | heh, patent troll |
| 02:53.28 | Azar | shogunx: yeah, man |
| 02:53.28 | DeFirence | dpkg: what are you wearing? |
| 02:53.29 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, DeFirence |
| 02:53.51 | Azar | shogunx: sad thing is, they win |
| 02:53.53 | dondelelcaro | the bot is wearing a dual pIII 833 with 1.5G |
| 02:54.02 | DeFirence | haha |
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| 02:54.52 | shogunx | Azar, yep. most people settle, i think. personally, i think it would be better to use a packet generator than a lawyer on them but thats just me. |
| 02:55.06 | Nyle | shogunx: that doesn't do anything useful |
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| 02:55.36 | Azar | shogunx: what is interesting is all those companies never thought of licencing wifi... only Cisco did |
| 02:55.47 | shogunx | Nyle it won't really change until there is some decent patent reform. proir art seems to be the defensive weapon of choice. |
| 02:56.29 | shogunx | Azar i think cisco got sued first, actually. |
| 02:56.51 | Azar | uh not from what I read.. |
| 02:57.01 | shogunx | Azar, or are you saying cisco is the only one who said "just pay the bastards and move on." |
| 02:57.02 | susanne-- | you haven't been reading /. then |
| 02:57.06 | susanne-- | cisco settled |
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| 02:57.28 | Azar | with Wi-Lan? |
| 02:57.38 | susanne-- | yes. paid them lots of money and got a portfolio license. |
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| 02:58.22 | Azar | shogunx: no, Cisco "got" sued |
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| 02:58.59 | Azar | Wi-LAN: All your 802.11g, WiMAX are belong to us |
| 02:59.05 | shogunx | Azar. right. and then they settled, ofr in other words, paid the bastards and moved on. |
| 02:59.11 | susanne-- | here you go. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/24/cisco_wifi_lawsuit/ |
| 02:59.28 | Azar | yah, now all next 22 "big" companies have to do same |
| 02:59.30 | susanne-- | http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=85149 settlement |
| 02:59.56 | Azar | wow Canadians... heh |
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| 03:00.11 | susanne-- | you know, this mac mini absolutely sucks under OS X ... and it's damned zippy under Debian. :-) |
| 03:00.20 | shogunx | how the hell does someone get a patent like that anyway. its a relatively open ieee spec for fucks sake. |
| 03:00.27 | Azar | wait, Canadians and are suing in Texas? interesting |
| 03:00.31 | susanne-- | shogunx: rambus ... |
| 03:00.49 | ibanex | hi guys, keep getting this from the install cd boot: ide-cd: cmd 0x5a timed out / hdb: lost interrupt |
| 03:00.55 | shogunx | good point. does not make it right though. |
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| 03:01.11 | wols_ | susanne--: not enough ram probably |
| 03:01.18 | shogunx | Azar that is jurisdiction of choice for patent trolling, iirc. |
| 03:01.23 | Azar | shogunx: I guess some are harvesting patents same way as domain names were being bought some 10 years ago: for profit |
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| 03:01.37 | susanne-- | yeah juries in marshall are almost as inbred as west virginia. |
| 03:01.51 | efaistos | hmmm does someone know what is launching ssh-agent with gnome ? |
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| 03:02.12 | shogunx | Azar, yeah, but thats just plain parasitic. it adds no value to society while extracting the product of same. |
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| 03:03.34 | Azar | shogunx: I guess the law has to be straightened out and allow patents to be held only by companies that "produce" software with them. |
| 03:04.21 | wols_ | Azar: software patents are bad, no matter who holds them |
| 03:04.25 | Azar | efaistos: I never used gnome, otherwise I might know... maybe someone else |
| 03:04.27 | wols_ | be it MS, IBM or SCO |
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| 03:04.51 | wols_ | !tell efaistos about errrors |
| 03:04.53 | wols_ | !tell efaistos about errors |
| 03:04.55 | shogunx | Azar, i disagree. patent law needs to get straightened out, for sure, but software patents are simply not conciliatory with actual progress in technology. |
| 03:05.01 | Azar | wols_: yes, you are right, but software patents hold by patent trolls is really parasitary |
| 03:05.17 | netdaemon | ... |
| 03:05.24 | wols_ | alll software patents are parasitic, and business patens even more |
| 03:05.41 | shogunx | i concur wols_. |
| 03:05.44 | efaistos | wols_: that's not an error ... it's just i want to disable it |
| 03:05.48 | netdaemon | lol, software patents are like patenting <html> </html> |
| 03:06.00 | wols_ | !tell efaistos about errors |
| 03:06.14 | wols_ | oops. rather /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 03:06.29 | efaistos | useless ;) |
| 03:06.30 | Azar | for one time I hope that democrats would win on next us elections, maybe they can change this patent shit |
| 03:06.34 | efaistos | go tot sleep |
| 03:06.43 | shogunx | like the fucktard law firm who claimed that the html on their site was their IP, and if anyone looked at the source, they were going to be sued. |
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| 03:07.16 | wols_ | Azar: do you still believe in the easter bunyy? |
| 03:07.38 | Azar | wols_: haha no, but I see republicans are not doing nothing about this aberations |
| 03:07.54 | wols_ | just cause the face on top changes and maybe now has ovaries, doesn't change politics |
| 03:07.59 | shogunx | the whole 2 party system is so corrupt its become dysfuntional anyway. |
| 03:08.09 | Azar | democrats: danger of net taxes , republicans: protecting patent trolls |
| 03:08.18 | wols_ | democrats will do equally nohing but sell it to you in a nicer way. what have you gained? |
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| 03:08.47 | wols_ | shogunx: we have 5 parties here, doesn't mean politics change when someone else comes to power |
| 03:08.51 | shogunx | not like it matters with the emminent economic collapse anyway... |
| 03:09.00 | Azar | wols_: man I do wonder why a 3rd party like libertarians never manage to show off? |
| 03:09.16 | wols_ | Azar: you really never looked at your election system |
| 03:09.21 | Azar | oh sorry, got carried away |
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| 03:10.18 | Nyle | The mighty leaf shall one day rule this planet. |
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| 03:10.34 | Nyle | doomsday + freedoom == tons of hours of fun btw |
| 03:11.03 | shogunx | Nyle the ganja leaf? thats called bheng, and it is considered the least useful part of the plant:) |
| 03:11.19 | Nyle | Bhung |
| 03:11.27 | Nyle | its an ung sound |
| 03:11.34 | Nyle | thick |
| 03:11.53 | shogunx | heh heh. touche. |
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| 03:12.32 | Nyle | we used to drink bhung all the time back home in pakistan |
| 03:12.46 | shogunx | tea? |
| 03:12.47 | Nyle | put it in food, bread, cookies, cakes etc. etc. |
| 03:12.57 | Nyle | o yea, milk shakes, juices |
| 03:12.58 | Nyle | you name it |
| 03:13.06 | shogunx | interesting. |
| 03:13.10 | Nyle | my grandpa drinks a glass every night before bed' |
| 03:13.27 | Nyle | mango milkshake with bhung |
| 03:13.46 | shogunx | yum |
| 03:13.53 | shpchp | need help: powernowd dos not running on ETCH |
| 03:14.26 | Nyle | take some mango and slice it up, take off the skin, put in some milk and sugar and crushed ice in the blender with the mango, and voila |
| 03:14.28 | shpchp | how could I found the system messages and fix this? |
| 03:14.29 | Nyle | its nice |
| 03:14.33 | Nyle | dmesg? |
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| 03:15.03 | shpchp | Nyle, dmesg | grep powernowd got nothing |
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| 03:16.15 | Nyle | just dmesg |tail -n 20 |
| 03:16.17 | Nyle | something |
| 03:16.55 | shogunx | shpchp, is there a symlink for powernowd in /etc/rc2.d? |
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| 03:17.19 | shogunx | further, are the proper modules getting loaded? |
| 03:18.09 | shpchp | ok.... fould the problems... powernowd need sysfs file system mounted... but I dos not mounted it |
| 03:18.20 | susanne-- | has anybody put together a .config for use on mac hardware? or a howto on which drivers to select when doing a custom compile? |
| 03:18.21 | DeFirence | omg! |
| 03:18.28 | DeFirence | the birds are waking up outside |
| 03:18.32 | DeFirence | i need to sleep! |
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| 03:18.34 | DeFirence | :((( |
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| 03:18.41 | kgoetz | DeFirence: :) |
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| 03:18.43 | susanne-- | DeFirence: adderall. |
| 03:18.47 | DeFirence | ./wrists |
| 03:19.02 | DeFirence | </emo> |
| 03:19.14 | DeFirence | sigh... |
| 03:19.48 | Vooloo | what is the command to list all subdomains for a domain with a dns lookup? |
| 03:20.27 | susanne-- | man dig |
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| 03:21.17 | Rusty1 | http://freebsdhowtos.com/62.html Vooloo |
| 03:21.51 | Azar | Security Mirrors: In addition to the mirror rotation available for security.debian.org, security mirrors can now be accessed regionally |
| 03:21.53 | susanne-- | in general what kind of throughput should i expect off a usb drive? |
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| 03:23.53 | Vooloo | I get ; Transfer failed. |
| 03:24.19 | Orion_X11 | I have got some packages to update, but all depends on libgtk 2.12. I think that libgtk 2.12 is in unstable and I am using testing. So how can I update those packages? |
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| 03:25.12 | Vooloo | zone transfer (must ask an authoritative |
| 03:25.12 | Vooloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.20 | Vooloo | What does this mean? what server is authoritative? |
| 03:25.40 | shpchp | no... I dos not have "sysfs /sys ..." in /etc/fstab, but I have /sys directory... why? |
| 03:25.46 | susanne-- | for a comple explanation of authoritative vs nonauthoritative servers, consult the cricket book |
| 03:25.50 | dalias | vooloo, host -t ns domain.com |
| 03:26.02 | dalias | that will tell you what the authoritative nameserver for domain.com is |
| 03:26.11 | dalias | actually |
| 03:26.13 | Vooloo | I use the same nameserver that the domain uses |
| 03:26.14 | dalias | -t soa might be better |
| 03:26.22 | Vooloo | still get transfer failed |
| 03:26.30 | dalias | then maybe the domain server is misconfigured or just doesn't allow zone transfer |
| 03:26.56 | susanne-- | then either you're using the wrong server or your server is misconfigured, or is configured to not permit what you're trying to do (which is smart -- what you're doing could be considered intrusive snooping) |
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| 03:28.02 | susanne-- | my dns servers won't answer your queries, for example, because i've locked zone transfers up |
| 03:28.06 | shogunx | yeah, zone transfer is likely restricted to slave dns servers of the domain. |
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| 03:28.36 | Vooloo | is this a common thing now? cant get it to work anywhere. I remember being able to do it some year ago. |
| 03:29.04 | susanne-- | Vooloo: yes. it helps (sorta) prevent cache posioning. |
| 03:29.34 | haggz | some years ago you could pretty much telnet to anything and login as 'guest', those were the days |
| 03:29.46 | Nyle | yes they were |
| 03:29.53 | susanne-- | i would consider any dns server that permits unrestricted zone transfers to be misconfigured to open a security hole |
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| 03:30.11 | susanne-- | ha, i used to telnet to port 25 to send harassing emails to admins. oh, wait, i still do that. |
| 03:30.11 | shogunx | susanne--, yep |
| 03:30.44 | axscode | $ TARGET=arch-linux fakeroot debian/rules binary-cross (replace arch by arm, alpha,...) <-- what is my arch if my uname says 686 ? |
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| 03:30.58 | Nyle | i386 |
| 03:30.58 | susanne-- | i don't even have a dns daemon that will answer tcp queries i don't think |
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| 03:32.09 | mwn3d | my debian isnt seeing all of my 2GB of memory. my windows partition sees all of it but debian only sees about 885MB. i have testing v2.6.22-2-486. |
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| 03:32.17 | Vooloo | oh well, better use google then |
| 03:32.45 | susanne-- | Vooloo: what is the problem you're trying to solve? you've asked us about the solution you've though of ... there might be a better solution if we knew what the real problem is. |
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| 03:33.28 | haggz | mwn3d: apparently the 486 kernel is configured that way, try using -686 or w/e matches your architecture more closely than -486 |
| 03:33.31 | Vooloo | finding all subdomains of a domain :) |
| 03:34.00 | susanne-- | Vooloo: that tells me you're snooping where it's unlikely you should be doing so, and i shouldn't help you further. |
| 03:34.34 | Vooloo | depends how you look at it. |
| 03:34.49 | Vooloo | inurl:domain.com on google works somewhat |
| 03:35.07 | Orion_X11 | Hi |
| 03:35.42 | susanne-- | only for domains that can be web-crawled. i have subdomains that can't be web crawled because they have no web servers operating on them. |
| 03:35.52 | axscode | hi dpkg-source: command not found |
| 03:35.59 | ibanex | hi, i keep getting on the install cd: hda lost interupt and it hangs for a while, then when it gets to loading iso-cd it just hangs, any thoughts? |
| 03:36.04 | mwn3d | haggz: what will happen if i install a 64 bit kernel when all my binaries are 32 bit |
| 03:36.05 | Vooloo | yeah of course. better than nothing. |
| 03:36.23 | axscode | apt-get install dpkg-source says: E: Couldn't find package dpkg-source <=-== any help please |
| 03:36.36 | netdaemon | how do i go abouts making avahi work with nautilus to browse samba shares? |
| 03:37.22 | haggz | mwn3d: I honestly don't know, I use 32 bit kernels even on AMD64 boxes because no apps I use prefer 64 bit |
| 03:37.32 | Orion_X11 | Do I have voice here? Or I am silent? Every time that I post a question I have been ignored so I am wondering if people are listening me :-( |
| 03:37.56 | mwn3d | haggz: ill try the 686 then...thanks |
| 03:37.57 | axscode | apt-get install dpkg-source says: E: Couldn't find package dpkg-source <=-== any help please |
| 03:38.09 | susanne-- | if we knew the answer to your question we'd answer it. now go sit in your corner and face the wall. |
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| 03:39.04 | rocketmagnet | !kiss everyone |
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| 03:39.54 | streuner | !tell Orion_X11 about repeat |
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| 03:40.18 | haggz | axscode: you want to apt-get install dpkg-dev, it provides dpkg-source |
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| 03:40.37 | Vooloo | what about all domains, is that still accessable or restricted too? |
| 03:41.07 | streuner | Orion_X11: which one? |
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| 03:41.33 | Orion_X11 | streuner: Thx. At least I know that I've been heard heres |
| 03:41.58 | axscode | thanks haggz.. dpkg-dev i already have.. problem is dpkg-source is not yet on path |
| 03:41.58 | dpkg | no worries, axscode |
| 03:42.00 | axscode | dont know why |
| 03:42.14 | Orion_X11 | streuner: Do you want to know me question again? |
| 03:42.28 | streuner | no |
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| 03:42.48 | Orion_X11 | streuner: ok :-( |
| 03:43.03 | streuner | Orion_X11> I have got some packages to update, but all depends on libgtk 2.12. I think that libgtk 2.12 is in unstable and I am using testing. So how can I update those packages? |
| 03:43.37 | streuner | and i asked you: "Which one (packages) do you want update? |
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| 03:45.21 | streuner | Orion_X11: tell us the whole error (with command) in paste bot (paste.debian.net) |
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| 03:46.35 | Orion_X11 | streuner: gnomebaker, gxine, icedove, liferea, locales, mplayer, etc... Synapti says that all of them depends on libgtk2.12. But in testing libgtk is 2.20 |
| 03:47.10 | Orion_X11 | testing > libgtk2.10 |
| 03:48.03 | streuner | Orion_X11: well, its testing..., just /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 03:48.53 | Orion_X11 | streuner: I am using testing |
| 03:49.18 | susanne-- | note to self: copying shit to a usb drive works better when you mount the drive first. |
| 03:49.20 | streuner | Orion_X11: the FAQ is for lenny/testing users interesting too |
| 03:49.54 | Orion_X11 | streuner: So do I have to wait for libgtk2.12 becoming testing? |
| 03:49.58 | streuner | Orion_X11: not only for sid users, but if you need a certain package to update, just try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 03:50.05 | axscode | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 03:50.06 | axscode | make: *** [configure-i386-linux-stamp] Error 1 |
| 03:50.27 | streuner | Orion_X11: sure |
| 03:50.33 | Orion_X11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.53 | susanne-- | preferably without the leading space |
| 03:51.14 | dserban | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.15 | dserban | hah |
| 03:51.29 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 03:51.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:51.59 | dserban | was just curious what "simple" really was :). Simpler than I thought it seems. |
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| 03:54.39 | Orion_X11 | streuner: Is there a link for this? I do not know how to add this backport for libgtk2.12 in my source.list |
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| 03:58.34 | streuner | Orion_X11: its not that easy, just read sid faq first |
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| 04:00.18 | Orion_X11 | streuner: I have a line in my source.list for backport, but does not work > Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/unstable-backports/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 04:01.05 | streuner | backport are for etch not for lenny... |
| 04:01.12 | streuner | backports* |
| 04:01.17 | streuner | !backports |
| 04:01.17 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 04:03.38 | Orion_X11 | streuner: So it is better to wait libgtk2.12 leaving unstable and going to testing then I will catch it :-) |
| 04:05.30 | streuner | Orion_X11: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:06.27 | Orion_X11 | ii libc6 2.6.1-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 04:07.08 | streuner | hm, you surely need to read sid faq NOW :-) |
| 04:07.25 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 04:08.09 | streuner | or is a new version of libc6 in testing now? |
| 04:08.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 04:08.19 | streuner | hm, no... |
| 04:10.08 | Orion_X11 | streuner: thx a lot. I have to go. My machine is making a strange noise and I have to open it. Bye! |
| 04:10.22 | streuner | np |
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| 04:15.30 | Ward1983 | how can i use a onscreen display to login? |
| 04:15.51 | grassroot | Ward1983: install xdm |
| 04:15.55 | Ward1983 | can i do that with gdm somehow? |
| 04:16.21 | Ward1983 | grassroot, is gdm ok too? (and which one is lightest?) |
| 04:16.40 | grassroot | Ward1983: yeah you could do it with gdm but then you have gnome on your system |
| 04:17.06 | wols_ | Ward1983: xdm or wdm are a lot lighter than gdm |
| 04:17.19 | Ward1983 | xdm it is then :-) |
| 04:17.32 | Ward1983 | 520Mhz ARM isnt exactly a powerhorse :p |
| 04:17.54 | wols_ | DMs don't need CPU, it's the RAM they chew that is precious |
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| 04:18.27 | Ward1983 | wols_, 128mb lol |
| 04:18.32 | Ward1983 | (but its a pda) |
| 04:18.58 | dondelelcaro | so use xdm |
| 04:19.05 | dondelelcaro | (or maybe wdm) |
| 04:19.42 | shogunx | or really flip your friends out and run it from the shell, and startx when necessary. |
| 04:19.43 | Ward1983 | what's the difference? |
| 04:20.06 | Ward1983 | and do they both have the possibillity for a onscreen keyboard to login? |
| 04:20.23 | grassroot | Ward1983: it would look much cooler booting to the shell |
| 04:20.35 | Ward1983 | grassroot, thats what it does right now |
| 04:20.43 | Ward1983 | grassroot, but... no keyboard do startx |
| 04:20.44 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 04:20.56 | shogunx | and hook up an ir keyboard like i have on my psp turned pda;) |
| 04:21.06 | Ward1983 | so i'm gonna set xserver to start automatically and make sure i can login with a onscreen keyboard first |
| 04:21.28 | Ward1983 | shogunx, i have a IR keyboard but IR is not supported in the port for this model |
| 04:21.40 | Ward1983 | shogunx, i can do ssh though |
| 04:21.40 | grassroot | Ward1983: that sounds cool, I want one, what kind is it? |
| 04:21.44 | shogunx | too bad on that. |
| 04:21.53 | Ward1983 | grassroot, pocket loox 720 |
| 04:22.05 | Ward1983 | vga, wifi, bluetooth, ir, 128mb ram, ... :-p |
| 04:22.36 | Ward1983 | better then many "modern" pda's |
| 04:22.51 | Ward1983 | i bought it second hand, i needed a gps and this was cheaper and better |
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| 04:23.17 | Ward1983 | matchbox runs great on it :-) |
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| 04:25.20 | vigilant | How can i install gmake? :) |
| 04:25.23 | vigilant | on debian |
| 04:26.29 | Asmooh | just make is enough |
| 04:26.41 | stew | vigilant: aptitude install build-essential |
| 04:26.50 | grassroot | Ward1983: those are pretty slick, I could use something like that... I think I am going to look into getting one with the small button keyboard |
| 04:26.52 | Asmooh | gmake is redhat? |
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| 04:27.36 | Ward1983 | grassroot, make sure it runs linux :-) |
| 04:27.54 | vigilant | I am confused, is gmake different from make? |
| 04:28.00 | stew | vigilant: not on debian |
| 04:28.05 | nameless | some use kde here ? |
| 04:28.07 | Ward1983 | grassroot, also: the loox has support for the dpad, and the center button = enter, etc |
| 04:28.10 | vigilant | okay, thanks |
| 04:28.11 | Ward1983 | so its nice to use xterminal :-) |
| 04:28.40 | Ward1983 | any commands u allready typed you simply lookup with the dpad and then press the button in the middle as return |
| 04:28.55 | Asmooh | hm im going to work, seeya all about maybe 4 hours or something :P |
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| 04:29.49 | Ward1983 | but i have another problem: right now i'm stil working under root, my system is still in the makings, i run ubuntu on my pc's so i'm new to all this, how do i create a new user from commandline? |
| 04:30.04 | Ward1983 | the one i'm gonna use |
| 04:30.30 | grassroot | Ward1983: adduser |
| 04:30.51 | grassroot | Ward1983: have you been able to use a sip phone on that? |
| 04:31.05 | nameless | i have a problem to install adept with aptitude, the score is -10000 |
| 04:31.28 | Ward1983 | grassroot, i only recently bought it, so no, but someone from the linux port for it said on irc that it didnt work well |
| 04:31.59 | Ward1983 | (but it has bluetooth so it sohuld be able to use your phone as a gateway) |
| 04:32.36 | Ward1983 | bluetooth and wifi also work in linux :-) |
| 04:32.56 | Ward1983 | and it has a USB host lol, allmost forgot to mention that |
| 04:33.12 | Ward1983 | (yeah you can actually connect a mouse or keyboard or harddisk or) |
| 04:33.43 | Ward1983 | and a double cardreader lol |
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| 04:35.35 | cTATUK | Is there a way to auto-remove a module on shutdown which is causing the system to hang? (snd-hda-intel) |
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| 04:36.35 | axscode | W: GPG error: http://www.emdebian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B5B7720097BB3B58 |
| 04:36.41 | axscode | can someone help me with that error? |
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| 04:37.09 | stew | axscode: /msg dpkg apt-key 97BB3B58 |
| 04:39.02 | Ward1983 | how can i now do startx as my new user? |
| 04:39.32 | stew | Ward1983: did you install a dm? |
| 04:39.56 | Ward1983 | stew, xdm yes |
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| 04:42.25 | stew | Ward1983: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
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| 04:42.32 | stew | Ward1983: (as root) |
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| 04:43.22 | Ward1983 | stew, nice :-) |
| 04:43.32 | Ward1983 | stew, is there now a way to get this with a onscreen keyboard? |
| 04:43.38 | stew | Ward1983: i doubt it |
| 04:44.24 | eva_ | having some problems. I am trying to transfer all my .txt files into one directory. I know i need to use find *.txt, but i am unsure on how the -exec commands works in either copying or moving all *.txt files from different directorings into one |
| 04:44.32 | Ward1983 | then i installed xdm for nothing again |
| 04:44.38 | Ward1983 | should have sticked with gdm like i had |
| 04:44.46 | stew | Ward1983: perhaps you could use gdm and have it automatically login as an unprivileged user? |
| 04:44.47 | Ward1983 | that one has a onscreen keyboard someone told me |
| 04:45.21 | Ward1983 | stew, that sounds liek easy to setup, can you explain how to do that? |
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| 04:45.32 | stew | Ward1983: run gdmsetup as root |
| 04:46.12 | Ward1983 | thanx :-) |
| 04:46.39 | Ward1983 | i hope gnome is not slowing me down too bad |
| 04:47.02 | stew | Ward1983: i use gdm but don't run gnome |
| 04:47.42 | Ward1983 | stew, aha someone told me that they come together then i'm not using gnome too :-) |
| 04:47.44 | wols_ | Ward1983: wouldn't it be better to run a linux distro purposely made for a PDA? |
| 04:48.23 | Ward1983 | wols_, there is none, and everyone that has linux on this pda does it this way |
| 04:48.27 | stew | Ward1983: if you install gnome you get gdm, but if you install gdm, you don't necessarily get the rest of gnome. i run gdm on my television so that I can have it autologin to x since my television doens't have a keyboard |
| 04:48.46 | Ward1983 | wols_, i do use matchbox which is made for small touchscreens |
| 04:49.04 | Ward1983 | stew, nice |
| 04:49.12 | Ward1983 | stew, and now to login? |
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| 04:49.47 | stew | Ward1983: if you have autologin setup with gdm, "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" should make it login (which it would do upon a reboot as well) |
| 04:50.21 | Ward1983 | stew, ok i'll try |
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| 05:02.07 | vasuvi | I just installed gtk-qt-engine, now how can I activate it from within KDE? |
| 05:03.21 | Ward1983 | stew, erm, now i only get the loginscreen (after reboot) |
| 05:03.29 | Ward1983 | without a onscreen keyboard |
| 05:03.34 | vrv | Hello :) Is it possible to use parallel port in Debian. I'm have parport mode loaded, but by some reason the device parallel0 ... etc. inaccessible from KDE |
| 05:03.44 | nameless | is adept a bugged package ? |
| 05:05.38 | susanne-- | is it possible? yeah. can you do anything you want with it? depends on what you want. a printer? probably, depending on the printer. run a laser fabricator? possibly not. |
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| 05:07.34 | SDr_ | erm |
| 05:07.38 | SDr_ | how can I query the pid for the application listening on a specified port? |
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| 05:09.20 | wols_ | SDr_: netstat -anp |grep <port> |
| 05:09.37 | dsl_ | whats the lightest internet browser im using dillo |
| 05:09.59 | streuner | dillo! :-) |
| 05:10.04 | wols_ | vrv: ther is no "parallel0" |
| 05:10.05 | dsl_ | :) |
| 05:10.10 | streuner | lighter is prolly telnet ;-) |
| 05:10.10 | wols_ | there usually is /dev/lp0 for example |
| 05:10.19 | wols_ | dsl_: w3m |
| 05:10.27 | dsl_ | aw thank you |
| 05:10.49 | streuner | links |
| 05:11.02 | streuner | or just use lynx :-) |
| 05:11.10 | streuner | !info lynx |
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| 05:11.53 | dpkg | lynx: (Text-mode WWW Browser), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1907 kB, Installed size: 4836 kB |
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| 05:13.55 | vrv | wols_: Thank you, but i have message from "VMWare", that device parallel0 could not be connected, of course it could be only VMWare little problem but it looks that it's impossible to decect parallel port from any application, maybe. |
| 05:14.04 | wols_ | 1vmware |
| 05:14.26 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 05:14.27 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 05:15.06 | Penns | g-nite ppl, Im just looking 4 a little of your polite help, I barely installed linux from a liveCD (it is just my second time), and I realized that my lilo.conf doesnt display all the partitions I made, it looks kindda weird, could you please take a look at it? |
| 05:15.21 | Penns | http://www.pastebin.org/6796 |
| 05:15.44 | wols_ | Penns: are you running debian? |
| 05:15.49 | Penns | sure |
| 05:16.26 | wols_ | what what version is your libc6? dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
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| 05:16.53 | wols_ | Penns: cause, there is not debian live cd you can install from... |
| 05:17.09 | Penns | i know, i use debian in one of the partition |
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| 05:17.36 | wols_ | Penns: I don't believe you. your lilo.conf is not a debian one |
| 05:17.37 | Penns | it works cool, im just checking up the lilo.conf |
| 05:17.50 | wols_ | if it works, why are you asking anything? |
| 05:18.50 | grassroot | Penns try adding: root=/dev/sda1 |
| 05:18.50 | Penns | why do ppl have their mind so closed, dude is linux anyways |
| 05:19.03 | wols_ | Penns: you are off topic here |
| 05:19.06 | wols_ | we only support debian |
| 05:19.15 | Penns | i know im a debian user |
| 05:19.29 | Penns | thats why i came here.... why do u get that sore |
| 05:19.29 | wols_ | not with your current problem |
| 05:19.30 | grassroot | wols_ lilo isn't that far off topic |
| 05:19.44 | wols_ | lilo is not topic at all. IF it comes from debian. which his doesn't |
| 05:19.47 | Penns | of curse is not |
| 05:19.48 | wols_ | just look at his lilo.conf |
| 05:19.56 | wols_ | *not offtopic |
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| 05:20.20 | grassroot | wols_ who cares he needs help with lilo, big whoop what distro he uses |
| 05:20.34 | streuner | Penns: we support Debian here |
| 05:20.41 | wols_ | grassroot: #debian does. if you want to be distro agnostic, that's fine. there is ##linux for that |
| 05:20.54 | grassroot | wols_ fine |
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| 05:21.20 | Penns | i actually started up by using debian, i mean i have been a little bit out of the linux context for a while, talking about other distros, i just want to learn a little bit the way it works |
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| 05:21.38 | wols_ | Penns: that's fine, but you are still offtopic here |
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| 05:22.11 | streuner | Penns: Which distro do you use actually? |
| 05:23.27 | Penns | im still using debian and windows in one out of my pcs, because of my work i dont practice it that much, thats why i deceided to show up in here, besides it is a little bit complicated 4 me, cause english is not my native languge |
| 05:24.13 | wols_ | Penns: you are not answering streuner's question |
| 05:24.47 | wols_ | and many people aren't english native speakers here, me too for example |
| 05:25.04 | streuner | your english is fine, we unterstand you very well |
| 05:25.27 | Penns | wols_, i saw you dont want to help out ppl, your just like living somewhere else in the universe with your odd toughts man, excuse me but i dont understand your attitude |
| 05:25.42 | vasuvi | hmm; I changed the KDE theme, but that changed the background from the default Debian background (the famous swirl) to the default KDE background; anyone know where the default Debian background picture is? |
| 05:25.56 | streuner | Penns: last time, we support Debian - nothing else. |
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| 05:26.29 | Penns | ok i just made a simple little insignificant question, about my lilo.conf |
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| 05:29.05 | hark | vasuvi: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/debian-blueish-wallpaper.svg |
| 05:29.16 | vasuvi | hark: thanks! :) |
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| 05:39.13 | lkthomas | guys |
| 05:39.35 | lkthomas | I install 4GB RAM into my server, but it said 800MB to LOWMEM, 3.3G for HIMEM |
| 05:39.42 | lkthomas | end up I only have 3.3G could be use |
| 05:39.46 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why ? |
| 05:40.26 | Edgardoweb | palm for linux? |
| 05:40.46 | Edgardoweb | my palm its axim dell x51 |
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| 05:41.06 | Firefishe | what is your question, Edgardoweb |
| 05:41.38 | hark | lkthomas: what does uname -r say? |
| 05:41.56 | lkthomas | hark, I compile my own kernel |
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| 05:43.33 | lkthomas | I see |
| 05:43.37 | lkthomas | I need 64G support |
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| 05:44.24 | piecesandbits | Does anyone know when IceDove 2.0 will make it to lenny? Is it still supported? |
| 05:44.24 | hark | make sure CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y is set |
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| 05:45.39 | hark | 64G is only required for > 4GB RAM |
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| 05:45.52 | Dranule | DanielFromBrisbane.com !!! stop the massacre!!! start the tv's before the internet does!!! |
| 05:45.57 | lkthomas | HIMEM 4G already set, still only use 3.3G |
| 05:45.59 | hark | !why is icedove not in testing |
| 05:45.59 | dpkg | icedove is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=icedove |
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| 05:48.31 | piecesandbits | thank you |
| 05:49.02 | Ward1983 | i installed gdm, before gdm was installed matchbox allways started |
| 05:49.11 | Ward1983 | i install gdm and all of a sudden it starts fluxbox again ! |
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| 05:49.26 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:49.27 | Ward1983 | how can i make it start matchbox again? |
| 05:49.35 | indraveni | i have a windows based application |
| 05:49.47 | indraveni | which uses ms-access as database backend |
| 05:50.03 | indraveni | and i have wine 0.9.44 version |
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| 05:50.26 | indraveni | installation done successfully, but when i am trying to launch the application |
| 05:50.43 | indraveni | i got a message like couldn not connect to company database |
| 05:51.30 | indraveni | so i edited the configs to add, odbs in the libraries tab since in windows its using odbc to connect to database |
| 05:51.44 | indraveni | but now its showing an error as |
| 05:52.03 | indraveni | fixme:odbc:SQLGetPrivateProfileString |
| 05:52.03 | indraveni | fixme:heap:RtlCompactHeap stub |
| 05:55.03 | hark | lkthomas: what does dmesg say about the memory? |
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| 05:55.12 | \amethyst | I don't know, but I find it kind of disturbing to hear of Access as a backend rather than a frontend |
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| 05:56.01 | lkthomas | [ 0.000000] 3200MB HIGHMEM available. |
| 05:56.01 | lkthomas | [ 0.000000] 896MB LOWMEM available. |
| 05:56.04 | Ward1983 | does anyone know a way to login with a onscreen keyboard? i'm getting desperate... |
| 05:56.08 | lkthomas | is it normal ? |
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| 05:56.58 | Dranule | DanielFromBrisbane.com !!! stop the massacre!!! start the tv's before the internet does!!!DanielFromBrisbane.com !!! stop the massacre!!! start the tv's before the internet does!!! |
| 05:57.11 | Dranule | will debian install on my mp3 player? |
| 05:57.23 | dondelelcaro | Dranule: on some of them, yes. |
| 05:57.35 | dondelelcaro | Dranule: and please fix whatever it is that is spewing that stuff into the channel. |
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| 06:02.55 | mbuf | what needs to be included to get gnome-build? |
| 06:03.05 | mbuf | using Debian Etch+unstable |
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| 06:10.23 | wols_ | !tell mbuf about search |
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| 06:11.25 | Dranule | DanielFromBrisbane.com !!! stop the massacre!!! start the tv's before the internet does!!! |
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| 06:14.35 | Nyle | Advertising Programs - Business Solutions - About Google |
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| 06:14.54 | Nyle | er.. |
| 06:14.58 | Nyle | oops |
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| 06:18.53 | jfdowd | can someone help me |
| 06:19.37 | jfdowd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.40 | jfdowd | grrr |
| 06:20.03 | \amethyst | !ask |
| 06:20.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:20.30 | jfdowd | i ment privately lol |
| 06:20.41 | \amethyst | !private |
| 06:20.41 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 06:21.07 | jfdowd | wow thats mean |
| 06:21.10 | kgoetz | education by bot :) |
| 06:21.26 | jfdowd | this chatroom is on lock down lol |
| 06:21.38 | cahoot | !lol |
| 06:21.39 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:21.44 | \amethyst | !chat room |
| 06:21.45 | dpkg | [chat room] a channel |
| 06:21.54 | cico | jfdowd: you will get better help if you ask in public. and it is mean to ask in private. |
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| 06:22.35 | jfdowd | i dont like you people lmfao and i say lol not hahaha you aint my daddy biotch |
| 06:22.51 | \amethyst | jfdowd: If it involves sensitive information, maybe *someone* will be willing to help you in private. But people have to know what the question is about before they know whether they can help. |
| 06:23.02 | cico | jfdowd: this is an off-topic discussion. if you have a question, just ask! |
| 06:23.12 | kgoetz | jfdowd: when you ask for help, you expect it on the helpers terms |
| 06:23.30 | jfdowd | lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll wow you bots can type fast |
| 06:23.32 | jfdowd | ;p; |
| 06:23.37 | jfdowd | oops lol |
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| 06:23.58 | \amethyst | Even paid consultants (we are not, in general, paid for this) find out what the job is about before deciding to take it |
| 06:24.11 | cico | jfdowd: bots don't type. they are pre-programmed to send replies in a jiffy. |
| 06:24.12 | \amethyst | s/ to / whether to / |
| 06:24.29 | jfdowd | wow |
| 06:24.32 | jfdowd | i want one |
| 06:24.38 | cico | jfdowd: GYIF |
| 06:24.44 | jfdowd | lol |
| 06:24.51 | jfdowd | how old are you people |
| 06:24.57 | jfdowd | or bots |
| 06:25.01 | jfdowd | lhahaha |
| 06:25.45 | jfdowd | hmmmm no your bots dont say anything |
| 06:25.50 | jfdowd | wtf |
| 06:25.53 | jfdowd | lol |
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| 06:34.56 | axscodes | W: GPG error: http://www.emdebian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B5B7720097BB3B58 |
| 06:35.18 | axscodes | is the problem from me or from emdebian? |
| 06:36.38 | Dewi | extase: your system doesn't recognise the signatures of that software; you might need to install a key for that repo |
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| 06:37.43 | Dewi | extase: http://www.emdebian.org/packages/keys.html |
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| 06:39.06 | axscodes | thanks Dewi |
| 06:39.09 | axscodes | how to install key? |
| 06:39.37 | Dewi | axscodes: that's what that page seems to be about |
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| 06:40.27 | axscodes | ok.. cant understand though |
| 06:40.40 | Dewi | axscodes: also ask the bot about 'no public key', but those instructions will be for standard debian and you will need to port the advice to embdebian's key |
| 06:41.49 | axscodes | !no public key |
| 06:41.49 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 06:42.14 | axscodes | !etch key |
| 06:42.14 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 06:42.42 | Dewi | !tell axscodes about 2006 key |
| 06:42.47 | Dewi | those are the commands I meant |
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| 06:42.53 | Haris | Hello people |
| 06:42.57 | dserban | I've downloaded the 3 DVD iso's from some mirror sites. On the site, they're listed as 4.3 GB's, once they're finished downloading though, they appear as 2.0gb files. I'm using ext3 with a 2.6.22 kernel. What could limit the filesize as such? |
| 06:43.06 | Haris | How can I create an ip alias of an interface on etch? |
| 06:43.24 | Haris | using the obvious way (adding additional entry for eth1:0) didn't work |
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| 06:43.30 | Dewi | dserban: what are you using to download? |
| 06:43.56 | dserban | iceweasel |
| 06:44.27 | Dewi | dserban: hmm. well something's broken there. |
| 06:44.32 | Haris | guys? |
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| 06:45.05 | dserban | Yeah, I think I'll try wget for $@#^&$ and giggles. |
| 06:45.31 | axscodes | voip:/etc/apt# gpg --fingerprint 0x97BB3B58 |
| 06:45.31 | axscodes | gpg: error reading key: public key not found |
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| 06:46.26 | Haris | nevermind, I got it to come up |
| 06:46.32 | Haris | but it didn't come up automatically |
| 06:46.48 | Dewi | axscodes: http://www.emdebian.org/0x97BB3B58.txt |
| 06:47.00 | Dewi | axscodes: tried apt-key add with that file? |
| 06:48.21 | axscodes | oh.nice dewey: thats more precise .. the page dont help me much.. but your advice is good |
| 06:48.22 | axscodes | than |
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| 06:51.31 | Dewi | axscodes: okay, cool |
| 06:51.31 | oops_pimp | can you format a flash drive as a floppy? |
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| 06:51.38 | Dewi | oops_pimp: yup |
| 06:51.58 | Dewi | oops_pimp: you can operate a usb key in 'superfloppy' mode by dding a floppy image onto its block device |
| 06:52.00 | indraveni | hi, again |
| 06:52.07 | indraveni | anyonw there who can help me with wine problem |
| 06:52.37 | oops_pimp | Dewi: can you do it from Windows? |
| 06:52.48 | Dewi | oops_pimp: you'd need a tool |
| 06:52.50 | oops_pimp | dd works in windows, pretty sure... |
| 06:52.55 | Dewi | no, it doesn't |
| 06:52.57 | oops_pimp | NOT |
| 06:53.08 | oops_pimp | Dewi: will this be painless? |
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| 06:53.28 | Dewi | depends if you can find a tool that works for you |
| 06:53.31 | Dewi | I've never found a good one |
| 06:53.34 | Dewi | for windows |
| 06:53.50 | oops_pimp | Can I do it from Knoppix? |
| 06:53.54 | Dewi | yes. |
| 06:53.57 | oops_pimp | Grea.t |
| 06:54.00 | Dewi | dd will be there |
| 06:54.06 | Dewi | there are reasonably good instructions here: |
| 06:54.08 | Dewi | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_DOS_boot_USB_flash_drive#Formatting_in_superfloppy_mode |
| 06:54.19 | oops_pimp | thanks, i foudn that not 4 seconds before you pasted. |
| 06:54.20 | Dewi | that dd command... but be VERY careful you choose the right block device to output onto |
| 06:54.31 | oops_pimp | thanks. |
| 06:54.39 | Dewi | oops, I didn't mean that anchor actually |
| 06:55.05 | Dewi | um basically I think I just used dd if=infile of=devicenode |
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| 06:55.17 | Dewi | when I did it the other day from an old MSDOS .img file I had |
| 06:56.26 | axscodes | http://www.pastebin.org/6809 <-- hey.. whatever i compile it shows me this... how can i resolve that please.. |
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| 06:57.09 | Dewi | axscodes: that's not a compile... that's an apt command. It's also missing the command "install" |
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| 06:58.01 | Dewi | axscodes: those unmet dependancies are left over from some earlier use of dpkg |
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| 07:00.08 | axscodes | Dewi: how to clear that sir? |
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| 07:00.47 | axscodes | Dewi: what i mean sir is whenever i apt-get install |
| 07:01.16 | Dewi | axscodes: what arch you using? |
| 07:01.51 | Dewi | axscodes: and what distribution - testing / unstable / experimental? |
| 07:02.41 | Dewi | axscodes: you clear it by installing the missing packages, or uninstalling apt-cross |
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| 07:03.24 | axscodes | dewi: http://www.pastebin.org/6811 |
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| 07:04.19 | Dewi | axscodes: er... is it normal to run both debian and emdebian at the same time? |
| 07:04.32 | Dewi | axscodes: I don't really know anything about emdebian |
| 07:04.53 | axscodes | dewi: emdebian gives packages for toolchains |
| 07:06.40 | axscodes | libc6-powerpc-cross - GNU C Library: Shared libraries (for cross-compiling) <== is this i386 ? |
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| 07:20.44 | cico | /who am i |
| 07:20.51 | cico | oops! sorry. |
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| 07:24.58 | lkthomas | guys |
| 07:25.17 | lkthomas | is there have any program I could use to download debian binary package by typing the file name ? |
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| 07:27.27 | Nethox | lkthomas: aptitude download package-name |
| 07:27.42 | lkthomas | NetEcho: can I force arch ? |
| 07:28.16 | NetEcho | fuck you |
| 07:28.27 | NetEcho | nobody is using me anymore |
| 07:29.04 | wols_ | lkthomas: no |
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| 07:33.35 | Nethox | lkthomas: you can force archive or version, don't know about architecture. You can download from packages.debian.org/package-name |
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| 07:48.27 | oops_pimp | Dewi: still struggling |
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| 07:48.41 | oops_pimp | can't seem to make my system think the flash drive is a floppy disk |
| 07:48.55 | Dewi | oops_pimp: in what context? |
| 07:49.35 | Dewi | oops_pimp: we are talking booting, right? |
| 07:49.53 | dondelelcaro | 'cause once you've booted, a file is a file is a file is a file. |
| 07:49.56 | oops_pimp | No. Let me explain.... |
| 07:50.16 | oops_pimp | I've got this Thinkpad app from Lenovo. It seems to need a floppy disk to work. |
| 07:50.40 | oops_pimp | In Windows, I'm geting prompted to 'insert a blank high-density diskette'. |
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| 07:50.59 | oops_pimp | All the formatting I did with dd and fdisk doesn't seem to matter. |
| 07:51.11 | oops_pimp | It is not convinced that my flash disk is a floppy of the kind it thinks it has to have. |
| 07:51.40 | oops_pimp | I guess this thing does have to be bootable, now thta I think of it. It's probably going to repair the BIOS. |
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| 07:52.59 | Nethox | oops_pimp: does your BIOS support booting from it? |
| 07:53.56 | oops_pimp | Yes. |
| 07:54.02 | oops_pimp | But that's not where I am at. |
| 07:54.08 | oops_pimp | The app can't even copy the data to the drive. |
| 07:54.17 | oops_pimp | it doesnt think i have a floppy drive. |
| 07:56.11 | yigal | oops_pimp: why do you need a floppy drive? |
| 07:56.26 | wols_ | how is this debian related? is this app which doesn't accept your flash drive a debian app? |
| 07:56.36 | yigal | can you mount the flash drive with pmount ? |
| 07:56.49 | yigal | or via mount? |
| 07:56.53 | oops_pimp | It's only Debian related because 1) installing debian got me to this point 2) i really want to install debian again. |
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| 07:57.16 | yigal | so you are trying to boot with the flash drive? |
| 07:57.16 | oops_pimp | yigal: sure, in Knoppix, yes. |
| 07:57.48 | oops_pimp | yigal: What I am really trying to do convince a Windows app that my flash drive is a floppy drive. |
| 07:57.57 | Nethox | oops_pimp: I think you can't use it like a big diskette from floppy-ready apps |
| 07:58.01 | wols_ | oops_pimp: ##windows |
| 07:58.20 | oops_pimp | wols_: ya, im sure the people over a ##windows are sharp as they come. |
| 07:58.41 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 07:58.41 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 07:58.46 | oops_pimp | Nethox: we'll see. I just found an interesting HP app that might do exactly what I'm trying to do. |
| 07:59.00 | yigal | oops_pimp: are you using Wine in Debian? |
| 07:59.06 | oops_pimp | yigal: i will be. |
| 07:59.16 | yigal | oops_pimp: so is that what the flash drive is for? |
| 07:59.35 | oops_pimp | The flash drive is to freaking get my system back to sane after failing a dual boot system. |
| 08:00.02 | DawnLight | what do you mean failing? |
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| 08:00.47 | DawnLight | perhaps there is another way to go about this problem without pulling stunts with floppies |
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| 08:01.13 | oops_pimp | When you get a new Thinkpad, you have to be careful about messing with the MBR. I was. I installed Debian, had XP as the bootloader. When I found out I couldn't use the functionality of my WWAN without Windows freaking initalizing the damn thing first, I had to get a windows install again. |
| 08:01.29 | yigal | for instance use your original cd as a rescue - depending on what kind of CD it was - and depending if you used a CD |
| 08:01.36 | oops_pimp | But something went arry so that my safty partition on this disk is not being seen by my bios. |
| 08:01.39 | yigal | oops_pimp: why not just use grub? |
| 08:01.49 | yigal | oops_pimp: windows or vista? |
| 08:01.54 | oops_pimp | The Lenovo repair I am trying to use NEEDS A FLOPPY. |
| 08:02.03 | yigal | and I'm sorry i'm asking this here because it hurts me to look at it also |
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| 08:02.18 | DawnLight | do you need that safety partition? |
| 08:02.22 | oops_pimp | Trust me, if I could get my WWAN working purely on Debian, I wouldn't be here. |
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| 08:02.40 | wols_ | oops_pimp: what chip does this "WWAN" use? |
| 08:02.44 | oops_pimp | DawnLight: Not really. Basically I want to back it up if I sell the machine so I can restore to factory. |
| 08:02.50 | axscode | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:03.08 | axscode | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.17 | oops_pimp | wols_: sierra....if you read about this device, they are clear, even Sierra is, that you have to initialize it in Windows first. |
| 08:03.19 | Nethox | oops_pimp: do you know about rfswitch/atherhk? I had the same problem... for one long year |
| 08:03.27 | oops_pimp | Nethox: no. |
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| 08:03.47 | xingu | axscode: ... $3 " " $11 ... |
| 08:04.01 | Nethox | oops_pimp: it's a driver to hardware activate some WLAN devices |
| 08:04.16 | oops_pimp | Nethox: WWAN, not WLAN. |
| 08:04.21 | wols_ | oops_pimp: Wireless.s AirCard® 850 ? |
| 08:04.43 | Nethox | Ok, I though it was a typo |
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| 08:05.08 | yigal | oops_pimp: your sure Linux can't use the WWAN? |
| 08:05.15 | yigal | sorry of course you are |
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| 08:06.15 | oops_pimp | wols_: Sierra Wireless MC5720 |
| 08:06.20 | Dewi | oops_pimp: I didn't realise that you wanted apps to think you had a floppy drive |
| 08:06.35 | oops_pimp | yigal: na, i'm not *sure*, i'm pretty sure. i gave it a good shot, let's put it that way. |
| 08:06.38 | Dewi | oops_pimp: for that I suggest using some kind of virtual floppy drive |
| 08:06.52 | oops_pimp | Dewi: sorry, should have been more clear. |
| 08:07.06 | oops_pimp | Dewi: I researched that, couldn't find something that made sense. |
| 08:07.15 | Dewi | oops_pimp: the only one I can think of straight away is the one you have when you are running vmwarew |
| 08:07.25 | Dewi | (running windows inside vmware) |
| 08:07.29 | oops_pimp | Dewi: o.O |
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| 08:07.50 | Dewi | but then you won't have access to whatever hardware device |
| 08:08.03 | Dewi | so that might not be useful either |
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| 08:08.27 | Dewi | I'm sure there would be virtual floppy software around, or buy a USB floppy drive or something |
| 08:08.40 | oops_pimp | Dewi: the latter is not worth it. |
| 08:09.25 | axscode | find . -ls | awk '{ print $3 " " $11 }' |
| 08:09.33 | axscode | find . -ls | awk '{ print $3 " " $11 }' <--how can i add the filetype? |
| 08:09.49 | axscode | all in one line..? |
| 08:10.08 | wols_ | oops_pimp: fyi according to google it will work without windows |
| 08:10.13 | deriaN | axscode what exactly are you trying to? |
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| 08:10.24 | SpeedyG | would gparted be capable of creating free space for another partition? (i've got a 50GB home partition and want to resize that to 20) |
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| 08:10.50 | wols_ | SpeedyG: yes, but while gparted does its work, the partition it works on can't be mounted |
| 08:10.51 | axscode | <perm> <file> <filetype> <--- i want to echo in this format.. |
| 08:11.01 | SpeedyG | wols_: ok :) |
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| 08:11.32 | deriaN | SpeedyG if you have enough free space at that drive, you should be able to do it. And as wols_ says, you might wanna do it from a livecd or something like that if you only have that single drive |
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| 08:12.47 | SpeedyG | deriaN: single drive with multiple partitions, that shouldnt be an issue right? it's only the partition that cant be mounted while working |
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| 08:13.06 | oops_pimp | wols_: you wanna hook a brother up with a link? |
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| 08:13.32 | deriaN | Snake-eyes: if you just unmount that particulary drive you want to resize. |
| 08:13.51 | wols_ | oops_pimp: http://www.google.de/search?q=linux+Sierra+Wireless+MC5720&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 08:14.06 | Dewi | axscode: dude, just use find's printf |
| 08:14.10 | wols_ | oops_pimp: might need a newer kernel than etch |
| 08:14.13 | Dewi | axscode: don't try to parse -ls output, it's awful |
| 08:14.24 | wols_ | 2.6.20 did some work on it it seems |
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| 08:14.41 | Snake-eyes | deriaN, but I dont want umount my pron :P |
| 08:14.45 | oops_pimp | wols_: worked for me too, in that the device was found. |
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| 08:14.51 | oops_pimp | wols_: but it didn't want to connect to anything. |
| 08:15.21 | oops_pimp | I rebooted to Windows, connected there, rebooted to Linux, flipped the wireless power switch to off while it was in the BIOS, waited until Linux was fully up, then flipped the power switch to on and tried connecting and it worked. I'm not sure which part of this process helped. Grrr! Smile |
| 08:15.31 | SpeedyG | Snake-eyes: you've got a whole partition for your pron? :o |
| 08:15.37 | oops_pimp | that's one of the nice helpful post in the helpful links from good old Google. |
| 08:15.43 | deriaN | Snake-eyes I get that a lot. Copy it over to another harddrive. Remeber this: "You can't possible have to many copies of your pr0n" |
| 08:16.00 | oops_pimp | i dont see anyone just totally convinced that a brand new kernel patch is the answer. |
| 08:16.40 | litage|w | oops_pimp: it is when pr0n's involved |
| 08:17.45 | xingu | oops_pimp: what device/vendor id do you have, per lsusb ? |
| 08:17.56 | oops_pimp | xingu: can't tell you, only have a windows install right now. |
| 08:18.10 | xingu | oops_pimp: still shows up, device manager, one of the tabs |
| 08:18.14 | Snake-eyes | I have it raided on 10k rpm drives, nightly backed up offsite via 2 gigabit link :P |
| 08:18.23 | oops_pimp | xingu: can tell you it is a Sierra Wireless MC5720. |
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| 08:18.42 | xingu | oops_pimp: rmb click on the device, tab that shows driver install/ update; one of the tabs there, has a drop down list, you can choose device/vendor from there. |
| 08:19.07 | oops_pimp | xingu: that's as detailed as the Device Manager gets. |
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| 08:19.49 | xingu | no it's not, but my nearest win32 system is about a mile away, so I can't hold your hand here. |
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| 08:20.13 | xingu | anyway, if it's new-ish, this http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=118419383430435&w=2 series is probably relevant. |
| 08:20.26 | oops_pimp | xingu: look, i know it's hard to tell over electricity, but I'm telling you the cold hard truth. |
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| 08:20.49 | oops_pimp | xingu: the patch looks promising, yes sir. |
| 08:20.59 | xingu | there's a tab in device manager device properties page, that has a list box, that will let you inspect device and vendor id |
| 08:21.13 | xingu | unless by windows you mean "for whorehouses 3.11" |
| 08:21.28 | nvz | heh |
| 08:21.55 | nvz | whore houses have no need for windows |
| 08:22.02 | xingu | warehouses then |
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| 08:24.44 | DawnLight | whore houses need accounting software |
| 08:25.02 | nvz | I meant actual windows |
| 08:25.19 | DawnLight | oh thats how they get customers |
| 08:25.21 | oops_pimp | xingu: the properties of this device are all 'unknown' or 'not available' since no driver is installed. |
| 08:25.34 | oops_pimp | xingu: no idea how to gleen any other information from the device drivers info. |
| 08:25.58 | oops_pimp | xingu: or just the device info in general. |
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| 08:31.24 | axscode | find . -ls -exec file "{}" ";" <-- this shows everything i need.. though i want to get only <perm> <filename> <file-type> per line.. can anyone help please |
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| 08:33.15 | dwu | oops_pimp: Shill. <3 |
| 08:33.41 | oops_pimp | I AM A FUCKING WINDOWS SHILL. |
| 08:33.47 | dwu | yeth |
| 08:34.22 | oops_pimp | I am running windows updates to convince an app that says i have the wrong OS (Windows XP SP1) that I have Windows XP SP1. |
| 08:34.33 | oops_pimp | And I wanted to tell everyone on #debian about it! |
| 08:34.44 | oops_pimp | FU DEBIAN! |
| 08:34.52 | dwu | Dude. Seriously :/ |
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| 08:35.14 | oops_pimp | Windows is like 1000x better than Debian or whatever. |
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| 08:35.31 | oops_pimp | WE HAVE SERVICE PACKS. TAKE THAT, <3. |
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| 08:35.40 | dwu | Bad oops_pimp. |
| 08:35.46 | oops_pimp | I AM SO BAD. |
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| 08:36.06 | DawnLight | stop screaming man |
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| 08:36.33 | olein | stop, take it easy. |
| 08:36.46 | DawnLight | what is a shill? |
| 08:38.26 | Nethox | http://www.wordreference.com/definition/shill |
| 08:38.56 | Nethox | ballmer? |
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| 08:39.49 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:43.08 | Sebboh | Your average Fox News anchor? |
| 08:43.28 | DawnLight | i've currently a geforce 7600gt with two CRTs plugged in. can i plug in a PCI video card and add another monitor to my desktop? |
| 08:43.57 | Sebboh | Dawn, sure. It's not exactly plug and play though. |
| 08:44.27 | DawnLight | Sebboh: is it more then playing with the xorg.conf? |
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| 08:45.23 | Sebboh | DawnLight: ... It's mostly xorg.conf ... If possible, get a card with the same or very similar chipset. |
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| 08:46.00 | DawnLight | Sebboh: have only an old one. will that be a problem? |
| 08:46.12 | Sebboh | Although, mine are completely different and work fine. But I don't have acceleration on either. ..I believe that maybe I could have had it if both were the same... |
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| 08:47.07 | Sebboh | Dawn, the main problem I had was not a bug, it was design... Second screen = second session. As in, you log in twice. |
| 08:47.12 | DawnLight | so you're using the xorg supplied driver |
| 08:47.43 | Sebboh | Dawn, but, the multi-monitor thing fixed that.. But, I couldn't use it .. with.. something. I forget. I don't have acceleration now. |
| 08:47.52 | DawnLight | so there are two X? |
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| 08:48.47 | xingu | Sebboh: some dude wrote a patch for xinerama that would probably quite sexy for you, it allows you to take a nvidia-nonfree-faked-xinerama spanning context, and use it as a single logical screen as far as xorg xinerama is concerned |
| 08:49.08 | Sebboh | ... No, one X, but it was configured to start two sessions. :) It's weird. I dunno. Sorry, I know that I'm not being much help. I really don't know exactly what I did to it. I tweaked blindly until I got something that kinda matched what I wanted and then left it alone. |
| 08:49.23 | xingu | Sebboh: ie, you could let the nonfree driver pair your nvidia-chipset screen(s), then let xorg xinerama ext pair *that*, with your other screens. |
| 08:49.58 | Sebboh | xinerama, that's it. that's the linux version of what windows calls "extend desktop onto this monitor". You want that probably, Dawnlight. |
| 08:50.11 | xingu | Sebboh: if you drill into the nvnews forum searching for xinerama patch or something (and you were prepared to rebuild xorg) you could probably turn it up |
| 08:50.28 | Sebboh | xingu: cool. Thanks. |
| 08:50.49 | Sebboh | you might be interested in what he said, too, DawnLight. :) |
| 08:51.43 | DawnLight | well i ain't building xorg but i will try and see how far i get with what i've now |
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| 08:53.11 | DawnLight | problem with one hugh monitor is that it's sides are too far away from the observer. thats why i need multiples |
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| 08:54.25 | Nethox | DawnLight: you mean the vertical sides? |
| 08:54.48 | DawnLight | ahm... wha? |
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| 08:56.33 | DawnLight | if i have a hugh monitor facing me, it's center is as close as i set it but as i look to the sides, left or right, the screen is further away and if it's a really big one it requires the eyes to refocus too much |
| 08:56.33 | Nethox | DawnLight: I don't understand your problem with one huge monitor |
| 08:57.21 | DawnLight | now with multiple monitors they can be put around me so its all about the same distance from my eyes |
| 08:57.41 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:57.42 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd133 is <Atula> I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive |
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| 08:58.21 | DawnLight | quote of the day? |
| 08:58.26 | dmn42 | hello |
| 08:58.32 | DawnLight | !greet dmn42 |
| 08:58.32 | dpkg | Nihao, dmn42 |
| 08:58.36 | Nethox | DawnLight: ok, It can be better for more logical window separation |
| 08:58.53 | Nethox | also |
| 08:59.03 | dmn42 | I've made a mirror raid via mdadm, everything seems to be fine, but after boot it mounts as ro |
| 08:59.12 | DawnLight | Nethox: right, that also helps. and it is way more impressive! |
| 08:59.26 | dmn42 | it's à root partition, so nothing works |
| 08:59.27 | Blissex | tarzeau: many tape drives are random access block devices and can support a mountable filesystem. Indeed that was fairly popular on PDP-11 UNIX. |
| 08:59.29 | \amethyst | how does dpkg learn new qotds ? |
| 08:59.33 | dmn42 | what could be wrong? |
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| 09:00.56 | dmn42 | :( |
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| 09:03.44 | [RUsh] | Hello. I can't install libc6-dev: |
| 09:03.46 | [RUsh] | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:03.46 | [RUsh] | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.54 | [RUsh] | What can be dont with it? |
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| 09:09.42 | mbuf | in Debian my battery status is in /proc/acpi/battery/C1BE/state; but ~/.conkyrc is looking at BAT0, does anyone know where, and how to change it? |
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| 09:12.16 | wols_ | can't you edit your .conkyrc? |
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| 09:12.51 | hark | mbuf: man conky |
| 09:12.59 | mbuf | wols_, question is what to be added? |
| 09:13.20 | \amethyst | the docs seem to imply that it only works with batteries named BAT<n> |
| 09:13.29 | \amethyst | the parameter to "battery" is a number |
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| 09:13.45 | mbuf | \amethyst, that i saw in the man page |
| 09:14.02 | mbuf | i should use APM instead of ACPI? |
| 09:14.29 | \amethyst | it might be worth filing a bug |
| 09:14.36 | mbuf | \amethyst, thanks |
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| 09:23.58 | \amethyst | whee, just saw the d-d mail about glibc-2.7 in unstable |
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| 09:25.38 | databuddy | conky rulz |
| 09:25.46 | databuddy | !paste |
| 09:25.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 09:26.50 | databuddy | http://pastebin.com/d7d82cf4d thats my conky for the record |
| 09:27.49 | \amethyst | looks like any upgrades to unstable for the next week or so will have to live without locales |
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| 09:35.04 | databuddy | http://picpaste.com/pics/conky.1193996091.jpg <<-- theres my conky |
| 09:35.18 | databuddy | ^_^ |
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| 09:36.34 | Nethox | databuddy: the white shadow make it looks blurry |
| 09:37.08 | databuddy | i'm running on high res on old crt |
| 09:37.15 | databuddy | gotta have it not really readable at times otherwise |
| 09:37.52 | databuddy | this particular background + white is ok |
| 09:38.07 | databuddy | but i change it a lot and just change the conky color so it tends to come in handy overall |
| 09:39.22 | databuddy | Nethox btw |
| 09:39.38 | databuddy | how large is a current 'stable' install of gnome-based debian atm? |
| 09:40.19 | databuddy | also does it tend to run 'snappier' than 'buntu these days? |
| 09:40.37 | databuddy | using debian for servers and buntu for home but mm i want more snappyness |
| 09:40.47 | moshii | databuddy: snappyness? |
| 09:41.10 | moshii | databuddy: The base system has no wm, or x |
| 09:41.11 | databuddy | moshii eh lag. lag sux and i get a good bit of it often |
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| 09:41.19 | databuddy | well FINE lol |
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| 09:41.47 | moshii | databuddy: I think the desktop system task installs both gnome and kde or something along those lines |
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| 09:42.33 | databuddy | o hells no |
| 09:42.45 | Ronin | gnome by default but you can change that |
| 09:42.47 | databuddy | base install + gdm + gnome-core likely |
| 09:42.52 | moshii | databuddy: and snappyness is going to be to do with configuring your hardware correctly/not running tones of stuff on a machine that's not capable.. I doubt there's much speed difference based on build difference between debian and ubuntu |
| 09:42.58 | databuddy | o: whats that? another gnome default? |
| 09:43.06 | databuddy | mm |
| 09:43.10 | Nethox | tasksel still install packages even when you don't mark any task? |
| 09:43.16 | databuddy | moshii historically ive found that to not quite be the case |
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| 09:44.05 | moshii | Ronin: in unstable there are tasks for a kde environment and anyone for gnome.. then there is a generally desktop one, dunno.. it's safe to say that debian doesn't force use of one or the other |
| 09:45.11 | databuddy | hey i can install ff32 + flash still right? |
| 09:45.30 | databuddy | actually nvm no reason for me to go 64bit |
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| 09:46.18 | moshii | databuddy: there is a 32bit support package for running 32bit software on a 64bit install |
| 09:46.24 | databuddy | *grabs netinstall cd iso to burn on GET THIS dvd >_<* |
| 09:46.49 | databuddy | yeah... last i checked there wasnt really much of a point.. changed much? |
| 09:46.56 | moshii | Then you find your machine can't boot it.. |
| 09:46.58 | databuddy | still missing a few codecs right? |
| 09:47.10 | databuddy | moshii sure it can |
| 09:47.14 | databuddy | burning via k3b |
| 09:47.16 | databuddy | works fine |
| 09:47.20 | Nethox | moshii: what is the name of that support package? |
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| 09:47.50 | databuddy | does debian use udev? |
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| 09:48.09 | Nethox | databuddy: yes |
| 09:48.12 | databuddy | or /dev/(s|h)da by default for fstab |
| 09:48.14 | databuddy | arg |
| 09:48.15 | databuddy | i hate that |
| 09:48.28 | moshii | Nethox: not on a 64bit machine at the moment.. it's jsut a package that pulls in some 32bit libs so that 32bit stuff can run |
| 09:48.33 | databuddy | any good way to get system to not use udev? |
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| 09:49.29 | moshii | databuddy: not all machines are desktops.. |
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| 09:50.23 | databuddy | and yet that wasnt the question |
| 09:50.30 | databuddy | i tend to install stuff often... |
| 09:50.44 | databuddy | makes for hell when editing for new stuff all the time |
| 09:51.06 | Nethox | databuddy: why you hate udev? |
| 09:51.36 | databuddy | i would like it just fine if there was an update-udev command to scan partitions and update fstab with each |
| 09:51.42 | moshii | Nethox: he asked if there's a reason why people wouldn't use .. |
| 09:51.54 | databuddy | no i asked if there was an easy way not to |
| 09:51.57 | moshii | databuddy: that sounds like a retarded idea.. |
| 09:52.00 | databuddy | <databuddy> any good way to get system to not use udev? |
| 09:52.25 | moshii | databuddy: oh, i missread.. ummm difficult, how about not installing it? |
| 09:52.26 | databuddy | retarded to you, perhaps. to me: feature |
| 09:52.31 | databuddy | mm |
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| 09:52.40 | databuddy | dont other things break when its taken out? |
| 09:52.55 | moshii | databuddy: no, you use a static /dev |
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| 09:53.04 | databuddy | oh and try writing cd image to dvd as dvd image some time |
| 09:53.07 | databuddy | works wonders |
| 09:53.11 | databuddy | moshii yes |
| 09:53.25 | moshii | databuddy: actually, I have a machine that won't boot dvds |
| 09:53.29 | databuddy | thats what i would like to do by default ;_; spose i gotta install via advanced i spose |
| 09:53.42 | databuddy | moshii well im out of cds atm and have like 190 dvd's :P |
| 09:53.51 | moshii | databuddy: that's very nice |
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| 09:53.59 | databuddy | happens so as it tends tow ork |
| 09:54.02 | databuddy | ok any last thoughts? |
| 09:54.10 | databuddy | oh yeah |
| 09:54.18 | agoria | Ive got this error while im installing apache2 on my debian etch system: Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory - how could i fix that ? i have try't to delete the apache2 folder and install several times, but it aint working .. |
| 09:54.19 | databuddy | xmms-flac still in stable repos? |
| 09:54.30 | moshii | databuddy: packages.debian.org |
| 09:54.38 | moshii | databuddy: you know, help yourself |
| 09:54.47 | databuddy | worx fine *looks* |
| 09:55.46 | databuddy | yup awesome |
| 09:55.48 | databuddy | ok bbiaw |
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| 09:56.17 | agoria | where can i get a apache.conf example file ? |
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| 09:56.37 | hark | agoria: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 09:57.32 | RvGaTe^work | any virtual machine solutions with a centralized manager to manage multiple virtual machines spread over multiple physical machines? llike you can with vmware virtual center.... |
| 09:57.46 | torgrimt | xen enterprise ;) |
| 09:57.48 | agoria | hark - wow nice! trying that ;) |
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| 09:58.41 | hark | agoria: and with apache2.2-common, not apache2 |
| 09:59.20 | RvGaTe^work | torgrimt, isn't that paid software ? |
| 09:59.33 | torgrimt | RvGaTe^work: yes it is |
| 09:59.38 | Nethox | Using Debian netinstall for i386 and amd64, the RAM usage is 8 and 29 MB respectivily; the processes are not the cause, what is using that RAM, the kernel SMP? |
| 09:59.48 | torgrimt | there should be some software GPL also RvGaTe^work |
| 09:59.52 | RvGaTe^work | torgrimt, if i had money to spend, i'd prolly wouldn't be asking here :P |
| 09:59.52 | torgrimt | but i dont know anyone ;) |
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| 10:00.57 | Nethox | RvGaTe^work: AFAIK, KVM supports virtual machine migration |
| 10:01.07 | agoria | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 10:01.11 | agoria | :/ |
| 10:01.17 | torgrimt | KVM seems to be in the wind these days |
| 10:01.23 | torgrimt | maybe time to give it a try |
| 10:01.28 | agoria | what module do i need ? |
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| 10:06.33 | Nethox | Is there kernel CPUFREQ support for Intel Core 2 Duo Enhanced Intel Speedstep? |
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| 10:07.13 | HeartyLove | hi |
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| 10:08.10 | ALbarakaTURK | seLamun aLeyKüm.. |
| 10:08.12 | ALbarakaTURK | ¦D |
| 10:08.13 | HeartyLove | list |
| 10:08.19 | HeartyLove | a.s. |
| 10:08.30 | moshii | Nethox: I'd say it's in the cpufreq module for speedstep.. |
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| 10:09.05 | RvGaTe^work | Nethox, reading the website, i see its all command based? can i somehow configure it using a gui, on my remote windows machine? |
| 10:09.26 | agoria | how do i fix this apache2 error: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration ? |
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| 10:11.20 | Nethox | moshii: the speedstep-centrino module doesn't work (fatal error: No such device) |
| 10:11.41 | Nethox | I use 2.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 10:12.21 | Nethox | RvGaTe^work: I don't know any GUI, maybe you have to program one |
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| 10:13.24 | Nethox | RvGaTe^work: using ssh for sending commands it won't be very difficult |
| 10:13.39 | RvGaTe^work | Nethox, it will for my collegues |
| 10:14.04 | moshii | Nethox: it's more likely to be the ich module rather than the centrino one |
| 10:14.18 | DustyBin | what is the opposite of: apt-get build-dep <package> so i can remove all the deps? |
| 10:15.52 | Nethox | moshii: yes, centrino didn't look logical, but maybe it's a matter of amd64, could you paste your modprobe -l line of that ich module, please? |
| 10:17.53 | Nethox | RvGaTe^work: another way is to login via SSH and launch a ncurses simple UI. Anyways, It won't be similar to the wmware look and feel |
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| 10:18.23 | DustyBin | apt-get remove $(apt-get --simulate build-dep xxx|grep "^Inst"|awk '{print $2}') <-- would this work? |
| 10:18.43 | moshii | Nethox: I just have it in /etc/modules |
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| 10:19.21 | Nethox | moshii: ok, I have found It's called speedstep-ich.ko... Not in this debian kernel, though |
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| 10:19.42 | moshii | Nethox: should be |
| 10:20.37 | Nethox | modprobe -l|grep speedstep-ich ; echo $? |
| 10:20.38 | Nethox | 1 |
| 10:21.16 | Raider | why don't go off my monitor with dpms? |
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| 10:24.20 | agoria | hm |
| 10:24.29 | agoria | how do i get a new httpd.conf file ? |
| 10:24.39 | Trewas | I have been wondering the same, according to xset q dpms is enabled but the monitors never go off |
| 10:24.47 | liable | agoria: you deleted it? |
| 10:24.58 | agoria | No, but its empty |
| 10:25.40 | liable | apache2's is empty by default |
| 10:26.03 | liable | all the good stuff is in apache2.conf |
| 10:26.12 | agoria | oh |
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| 10:26.29 | et | agoria: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianLikePlatform |
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| 10:28.10 | Raider | Trevie, with "xset dpms force off" my monitor goes off |
| 10:28.10 | Raider | Trewas, |
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| 10:29.17 | Raider | xset q dpms -> DPMS is Enabled |
| 10:29.25 | Trewas | Raider: that works, but they don't power off automatically when idling long enough |
| 10:29.33 | Raider | yes |
| 10:29.43 | zophy | will beryl run on any video chip ? |
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| 10:30.29 | Raider | in xorg.conf i have: Option "OffTime" "10" |
| 10:30.47 | Raider | in section "ServerLayout" |
| 10:31.13 | agoria | How do i fix this: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration ? |
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| 10:31.28 | agoria | do'h :D |
| 10:31.46 | Trewas | zophy: no, it requires working opengl, and instead of beryl which is not developed anymore you should be using compiz-fusion |
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| 10:32.18 | zophy | ah, thanls for the update |
| 10:32.52 | Raider | Trewas, then? |
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| 10:34.47 | Trewas | Raider: I have no idea why it doesn't work, it used to work fine on this computer with exactly same settings but some X update (I have no idea which) broke it... and I am not overly concerned because the monitors waste my employers electricity instead of my own |
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| 10:37.42 | yang | the application gives me error - Can't find xulrunner-xpcom, mozilla-xpcom or firefox-xpcom |
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| 10:37.49 | yang | which package do i need? |
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| 10:38.11 | Raider | Trewas, is there a bug report? |
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| 10:39.57 | Trewas | Raider: I haven't filed a bug report about it and did not find an older report now that I looked, but I am not actually sure which package is the right one |
| 10:42.48 | Nethox | Trewas: what conector are you using for your monitor? |
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| 10:43.14 | cast | evening |
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| 10:43.58 | agoria | How do i fix Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration? |
| 10:44.06 | Trewas | Nethox: matrox g550 and two monitors connected with vga |
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| 10:45.09 | databuddy | super |
| 10:45.11 | liable | agoria: doesnt the error give a conf file line number? |
| 10:45.13 | databuddy | very snappy |
| 10:45.22 | databuddy | definately a difference from latest 'buntu |
| 10:45.23 | Nethox | Trewas: ok, VGA is not the problem then |
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| 10:46.03 | Trewas | Nethox: afaik dpms should work equally with both vga and dvi |
| 10:46.12 | agoria | liable, yes it does |
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| 10:46.27 | liable | agoria: so.. go to that line and fix it. |
| 10:46.47 | Nethox | Trewas: yes, I was thinking in components cables |
| 10:47.21 | agoria | well |
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| 10:47.45 | agoria | im pretty sure that it aint a syntax error, but some kind of module i dont have installed . |
| 10:48.04 | agoria | how do i copy text in vim o_O ? |
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| 10:48.15 | databuddy | poor moshii |
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| 10:48.42 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 10:48.57 | sobersabre | is there a means similar to smartmon for new SATA hard disks ? |
| 10:49.06 | sobersabre | something to monitor the disks, see errors, etc. ? |
| 10:49.17 | moshii | sobersabre: SATA can do smart |
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| 10:49.23 | sobersabre | hm... |
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| 10:49.38 | moshii | sobersabre: you just need a libata version that supports it, I think that's in the stable kernel |
| 10:49.39 | sobersabre | I have SATA WD disks, and when I run smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 10:49.43 | Nethox | And hdparm works too |
| 10:50.16 | sobersabre | Nethox, hdparm is a bit better, imho. |
| 10:50.19 | databuddy | moshii, if i steal an unstable kernel how unstable would it be if i just tossed it in the stable spot? |
| 10:50.20 | sobersabre | hmm |
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| 10:50.26 | sobersabre | oops the oposite |
| 10:50.26 | databuddy | i need the 2.6.22xxx |
| 10:50.45 | agoria | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_access.html#order |
| 10:50.55 | moshii | databuddy: unstable means that the packages are moving, not that they crash |
| 10:51.20 | agoria | $ a2enmod mod_access |
| 10:51.25 | agoria | This mod does not exist! |
| 10:51.28 | agoria | :s |
| 10:51.42 | databuddy | mm |
| 10:51.45 | databuddy | ok |
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| 10:52.19 | moshii | databuddy: you need 2.6.22 for? .. you may find a package for it, you may find you need newer versions of the module tools to make it work, and maybe the initrd builder.. don't use packages from outside stable inside stable in otherwords |
| 10:52.49 | sobersabre | smart is a bit better. |
| 10:52.50 | sobersabre | moshii, is it possible that some chipset won't show smart support ? |
| 10:52.50 | sobersabre | I have sata_sil24 |
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| 10:53.14 | Nethox | databuddy: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image |
| 10:54.21 | databuddy | hrm |
| 10:54.29 | databuddy | 686 then for say e2160 eh |
| 10:54.43 | moshii | sobersabre: linux-ata.org probably knows |
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| 10:56.34 | databuddy | moshii, coretemp module - |
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| 10:58.09 | databuddy | Nethox, is there a backports repo that i can just add? |
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| 11:01.39 | DennisMiller | hey .. since im out of cds. only have 1 dvdr left.. im wondering.. on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ theres 4 dvd isos, but i only need dvd1.iso to boot and install debian right? |
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| 11:03.31 | Nethox | DennisMiller: right |
| 11:03.41 | agoria | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration <- How do i fix that error ? |
| 11:03.59 | DennisMiller | Nethox thanks bud |
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| 11:05.58 | RvGaTe^work | DennisMiller, if you only have one cd left... i'd suggest you download the net install.... |
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| 11:07.54 | liable | he said dvd |
| 11:08.30 | gryfie__ | ok, i have 256 MB ram, 180 MB are used, while 80 of 180 MB are cached. And 40 MB are stored on swap |
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| 11:08.57 | gryfie__ | but whenever I use swap, my computer slows down |
| 11:09.23 | liable | thats quite normal |
| 11:09.27 | gryfie__ | how can i get the swapmemory back to ram and use instead the cache or takle it from free memory (about 40 MB) |
| 11:09.43 | gryfie__ | (70 M are free at all) |
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| 11:10.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | gryfie__, unmount your swap (you will risk kernel panics if you run out of ram though) |
| 11:11.18 | sponix | anyone in here using Rosewill RC-208 Hard Drive Controller Cards? I just need to know roughly what transfer speeds they get |
| 11:11.34 | gryfie__ | ok, I can mount it again a moment later agian |
| 11:11.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 11:11.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | swapoff -a ; swapon -a |
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| 11:13.01 | gryfie__ | yes, I knew already |
| 11:13.15 | gryfie__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.28 | gryfie__ | thx |
| 11:13.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 11:15.33 | Nethox | gryfie__: you can also try to change /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 11:15.58 | agoria | how do i remove apache completely ? |
| 11:16.00 | gryfie__ | Nethox: I'll have a look, thx |
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| 11:16.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | agoria, apt-get --purge remove |
| 11:17.41 | agoria | thx |
| 11:18.08 | gryfie__ | Nethox: What does the value 60 means? |
| 11:19.51 | biz | i'm trying to install xorg, but at package xserver-xorg i get this error: "FATAL: module battery not found" what is that? does xserver-xorg depend on acpi battery kernel module or what is that?? |
| 11:20.22 | Nethox | gryfie__: it's the default tendency to use ram instead of swap |
| 11:20.27 | Nethox | gryfie__: http://lwn.net/Articles/83588/ |
| 11:21.14 | _vvd | when theres an update the field "changes" in the update-manager window always sais something likes "list of changes currently not available. please try again later". is there a fix for that= |
| 11:21.56 | _vvd | i mean, i wanna know what has been changed |
| 11:22.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | _vvd, wait a few days |
| 11:23.25 | _vvd | Kamping_Kaiser: the changes aint known yet? |
| 11:23.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | _vvd, the server hasnt been updated to serv the changes yet |
| 11:24.17 | Nethox | biz: It's a module loading error, try to change /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg* scripts to make it continues the install |
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| 11:25.34 | _vvd | Kamping_Kaiser: the changes are saved seperately? |
| 11:25.45 | _vvd | ok |
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| 11:35.19 | xianai2 | hi |
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| 11:36.48 | xianai2 | hi all |
| 11:37.51 | tim20547 | I've got some vuln' scanning people on my back. What is the best way of finding out if a CVE has been resolved by the security advisory team? |
| 11:39.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | tim20547, look at the security-anounce list |
| 11:39.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | should give a guide |
| 11:39.16 | agoria | okay .. all the errors is fixed now .. but i cant reach the webserver in my browser, but i aint getting any error messages when im starting apache - what can that mean ? |
| 11:39.38 | sep | tim20547, http://www.debian.org/security/cve-compatibility#find |
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| 11:41.11 | tim20547 | thanks. I will have a read |
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| 11:43.54 | _vvd | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe my probles is related to this: |
| 11:43.55 | _vvd | vvd@miqu:~$ aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:43.55 | _vvd | Ign ChangeLog für linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:43.55 | _vvd | E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-latest-2.6_2.6.18+6etch2/changelog |
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| 11:44.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh. |
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| 11:46.44 | _vvd | there is no such dir on that server, there is ".../linux-latest-2.6_6etch2/" though |
| 11:46.51 | aboo0ood | How can i mount my CD/DVD driver ? |
| 11:47.11 | cast | man mount |
| 11:47.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | _vvd, the update hasnt come through yet |
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| 11:48.45 | aboo0ood | cast: i manned it |
| 11:48.55 | _vvd | Kamping_Kaiser: there was no update for linux-image-2.6-686 lately |
| 11:49.02 | aboo0ood | cast: but i am facing a problem |
| 11:49.22 | _vvd | aptitude looks in a directory that doeasnt exist on the server: E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-latest-2.6_2.6.18+6etch2/ |
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| 11:53.34 | _vvd | Kamping_Kaiser: same for iceweasel |
| 11:53.41 | _vvd | E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_2.0.0.6+2.0.0.8-0etch1/changelog |
| 11:53.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | _vvd, i've never looked at the updates bit before |
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| 11:53.56 | Asmooh | hmm i wonder |
| 11:54.12 | Asmooh | how is ati support in debian? or do i need to buy a new laptop with nvidia like i have now? |
| 11:54.23 | Asmooh | i always buy nvidia because i knew ati support is bad |
| 11:54.27 | Asmooh | but how's it now? |
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| 11:55.01 | azeem | Asmooh: buy Intel |
| 11:55.05 | azeem | for now |
| 11:55.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | Asmooh, still bad, but getting better hopefully |
| 11:55.07 | Asmooh | eh? |
| 11:55.20 | Asmooh | well i never ever ever will buy an intel videocard |
| 11:55.20 | Asmooh | :P |
| 11:55.40 | azeem | ok, so you will have to live with the pain of proprietary video drivers for now |
| 11:55.56 | azeem | it might indeed be better by the time Lenny gets released |
| 11:55.57 | Asmooh | well |
| 11:56.00 | Asmooh | nvidia is good :) |
| 11:56.09 | azeem | if you think so |
| 11:56.15 | azeem | then there's probably not much use in asking |
| 11:56.26 | azeem | because most of think both nvidia and ati drivers are bad |
| 11:56.33 | Asmooh | azeem, all my pcs have nvidia and debian, and working perfect |
| 11:56.37 | Asmooh | even compiz, games and more |
| 11:56.38 | Asmooh | so... |
| 11:56.59 | Asmooh | and just download the drivers on the nvidia website :) |
| 11:57.07 | azeem | did you ever upgrade? |
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| 11:57.11 | azeem | X.org |
| 11:57.18 | Asmooh | azeem, yes; why? |
| 11:57.26 | azeem | just wondering |
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| 11:59.37 | cbr | why doesnt debian have kernel 2.6.23 yet? |
| 11:59.49 | torgrimt | have you been a debian user for long cbr ? ;) |
| 11:59.55 | cbr | yup |
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| 12:00.20 | torgrimt | then you should know ;) |
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| 12:16.40 | rmaj | hello |
| 12:16.42 | rmaj | how to set up cron to trigger my user's ~/foo.sh each 5 minutes? |
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| 12:17.19 | moldy | hi |
| 12:17.46 | moldy | which settings do i need to tweak in order to access the cups admin interface from remote hosts? |
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| 12:17.57 | moldy | it works from localhost, but not from other hosts on the local network |
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| 12:18.18 | Spida | hi |
| 12:18.21 | rmaj | moldy: tried searching in /etc/ ? |
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| 12:18.24 | rmaj | hello Spida |
| 12:18.31 | biz | Nethox: well i've disabled the laptop detect and hardcoded a false value, but its still complaining - the battery module stuff is gone, its still postinst. is there a way to debug the postinst script or get some more info about wich part is failing? |
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| 12:18.41 | moldy | rmaj: i tried modifying /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, but no success so far |
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| 12:20.05 | Nethox | biz: you can edit the shebang like #!/bin/bash -x or use a bash debugger |
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| 12:20.18 | Spida | how do I get misdn on etch? I have sid in my sources.list, pinned * on etch, misdn-utils misdn-source on sid, and m-a a-i misdn errors: Installation of the misdn-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. But I HAVE these in my sources.list, and according to packages.debian.org misdn-source soesn't depend on anything. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 12:30.20 | simonrvn | Spida: check the build log, should say why |
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| 12:31.24 | mbuf | with apt-pinning, i have Anjuta 2.2.2 installed; but, when I source, i get Anjuta 1.2 version, why? |
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| 12:32.50 | azeem | mbuf: what do you mean with "when I source"? |
| 12:33.03 | mbuf | azeem, apt-get source anjuta |
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| 12:33.42 | azeem | mbuf: maybe you don't have a deb-src line for testing/unstable, just for stable |
| 12:33.49 | mbuf | azeem, ahh ok |
| 12:34.13 | azeem | or rather, just for testing, not for unstable, as anjuta is still at 1.2 in testing |
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| 12:35.41 | vsayikiran | how can i rename volume label |
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| 12:36.12 | vsayikiran | please anyone tell me how to rename volume label |
| 12:36.31 | bzed | vsayikiran: which kind of volume? |
| 12:36.42 | bzed | vsayikiran: LVM? |
| 12:37.01 | vsayikiran | bzed: partition name |
| 12:37.04 | mbuf | azeem, gets 2.2.2 now; 2.2.2 is in unstable |
| 12:37.12 | mbuf | azeem, thanks |
| 12:37.20 | Nethox | vsayikiran: what filesystem it contains? |
| 12:37.25 | vsayikiran | bzed: i mean that avery partition has got a default volume na me |
| 12:37.56 | bzed | vsayikiran: depends on the filesystem. |
| 12:38.02 | vsayikiran | Nethox: vfat, ext3 |
| 12:38.11 | vsayikiran | i want to rename the label name of a partition |
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| 12:38.50 | vsayikiran | bzed: please tell me how to do this |
| 12:38.58 | Nethox | vsayikiran: tune2fs -L label /dev/partition for ext3 |
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| 12:39.40 | vsayikiran | Nethox: will this command change the partition type |
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| 12:40.09 | Nethox | vsayikiran: no, I am not so bad, just the label |
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| 12:41.08 | Nethox | vsayikiran: for vfat I don't know now, I don't have it's tools |
| 12:41.21 | vsayikiran | Nethox: in My Computer i see partition named as 10.5 Volume , i want to rename them as sda6, so what to do? whether tune2fs will do the job? |
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| 12:42.34 | Nethox | vsayikiran: just click on Rename, it will be easier and safer for you |
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| 12:43.12 | vsayikiran | Nethox: i tried that way but it is showing cannot rename |
| 12:44.05 | Nethox | vsayikiran: then do what I've told you for ext3 and search for how to do the same for vfat |
| 12:44.20 | p-a-v | hi, linux-image-2.6.22-3 was partially configured and there was a powercut here. When it was back, without realising it was partially configured, I did 'apt-get clean'. Any ideas on how to complete the configuration? |
| 12:44.46 | bzed | p-a-v: apt-get clean doesn;t change anything on that. but you want to run dpkg --configure --pending |
| 12:45.13 | vsayikiran | Nethox: do you know in which file does debian store the label name |
| 12:45.38 | Nethox | vsayikiran: it stores the name in the filesystem itself |
| 12:45.42 | p-a-v | bzed: I did, but that hangs at running depmod.. thought this might be related with the missing cache file |
| 12:45.54 | bzed | p-a-v: no |
| 12:46.08 | bzed | p-a-v: the apt cache has nothign to do with that. |
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| 12:46.29 | Nethox | vsayikiran: That's why it depends on what FS the partition contains |
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| 12:46.47 | Nethox | And why not every FS supports a label |
| 12:46.49 | bzed | p-a-v: probably there's something broken due to the power outage, I'd purge the kernel package and apt-get install it again |
| 12:47.24 | p-a-v | bzed: hmm, I'll try that |
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| 12:56.55 | Ryuo | is there a way to convert debian patches to be usable with patch for use in other distros that use the same package source? |
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| 13:00.34 | shadebob | hi |
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| 13:01.15 | shadebob | I try to make a custom debian cd. I have my own .deb and I want to include them to pool/main on my cd |
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| 13:01.37 | shadebob | Problem is my .deb are not recognized ... |
| 13:02.09 | Nethox | Ryuo: I suppose that by modifying the diff.gz that is applied to the orig.tar.gz |
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| 13:02.58 | emerge | someone has an idea, how to store the "5261" in a file? http://cpp.tastethepaste.org/1289 . thanks ! |
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| 13:03.37 | traubisoda | hi all |
| 13:04.21 | traubisoda | could someone help me do downgrade gcc 4.2.3 to 4.1.3? |
| 13:04.39 | azeem | traubisoda: why do you need to? |
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| 13:05.08 | traubisoda | i would like to install vmware, and with 4.2.3 it doesn't works |
| 13:06.26 | emerge | traubisoda there must be an better way. whats the message he told you? |
| 13:06.52 | traubisoda | http://pastebin.com/m7a16fab2 |
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| 13:07.21 | traubisoda | and i tried with 4.2.3 but it have crushed |
| 13:07.33 | traubisoda | and killed my gnome setting daemon :S |
| 13:07.52 | Nethox | emerge: | tail -4 | head -1 | awk '{print $8}' > foobar |
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| 13:08.28 | emerge | Nethox nice work! thanks a lot! |
| 13:09.10 | abrotman | traubisoda: have you asked #vmware? |
| 13:09.31 | Nethox | emerge: If you don't have or want to use awk, cut will also do the work |
| 13:09.38 | traubisoda | not yet |
| 13:10.04 | emerge | Nethox while i dont no what awk actually is, i only see it works, so i will use it ;) |
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| 13:12.42 | _mastro_ | anybody know how can i use apt-file with some dvds as repository? |
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| 13:13.35 | _mastro_ | when i apt-file update it say: "put <my label> in the cdrom device ... i've 4 dvd and either if i put one into the drive it ignore it |
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| 13:14.39 | BlueToothz | hi. how can i shut this process down |
| 13:14.41 | BlueToothz | Passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process listening on [127.0.0.1: 6880] |
| 13:14.51 | atlfalcons866__ | can i run debian on my ancient computer and use as a server? |
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| 13:15.21 | FromTO | in #emacs |
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| 13:17.02 | Lukemob | guys, where do I find the log of the system when it starts up? |
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| 13:17.19 | BlueToothz | /var/log |
| 13:17.44 | Lukemob | the exact file? |
| 13:18.01 | Lukemob | syslog? |
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| 13:18.02 | BlueToothz | all i know is thatis your log directory |
| 13:18.10 | BlueToothz | yes |
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| 13:18.27 | BlueToothz | i think |
| 13:18.27 | BlueToothz | maybe |
| 13:18.29 | BlueToothz | :/ |
| 13:18.35 | Nethox | Lukemob: messages, dmesg |
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| 13:18.58 | Lukemob | ok |
| 13:18.59 | Lukemob | thx |
| 13:19.25 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 13:19.25 | dpkg | [bootlogd] disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
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| 13:20.58 | Nethox | I found that bootlog didn't almost logged anything, for me its almost useless |
| 13:21.07 | Nethox | *bootlogd |
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| 13:21.33 | intralanman | !madwifi-install |
| 13:21.33 | dpkg | hmm... madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 13:22.29 | intralanman | !non-free |
| 13:22.29 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:23.03 | intralanman | !non-free sources |
| 13:23.03 | dpkg | hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 13:24.35 | abrotman | intralanman: /msg dpkg foo |
| 13:24.59 | intralanman | ahh, didn't know he allowed that..... will do |
| 13:25.16 | biz | Nethox: just tracked it down, its this line in xserver-xorg.postinst: "db_metaget shared/default-x-server owners" any ideas what i can do now? |
| 13:25.32 | smhar | greetings |
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| 13:25.40 | smhar | I want to set a local LAMP server using debian in qemu, so I can test drupal stuff locally. how big this server should be, in terms of harddisk and memory size? |
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| 13:28.35 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 13:28.40 | lkthomas | anyone using amd64 debian now ? |
| 13:28.45 | tarzeau | lkthomas: yes |
| 13:28.49 | orgthingy | hi |
| 13:28.52 | abrotman | lkthomas: lots of people |
| 13:28.57 | tarzeau | lkthomas: Linux krum 2.6.23-amd64-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 10 09:23:14 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:29.02 | lkthomas | does installation slow as hell on amd64 ? |
| 13:29.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: the 2nd most number of users after popcon.debian.org |
| 13:29.10 | abrotman | shouldn't be |
| 13:29.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know |
| 13:29.14 | orgthingy | whats the difference between ubuntu &debian ? |
| 13:29.16 | tarzeau | lkthomas: no, fast as i386 |
| 13:29.17 | lkthomas | ubuntu is cracking |
| 13:29.20 | abrotman | orgthingy: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:29.34 | lkthomas | nono, I am going to debian now |
| 13:29.42 | tarzeau | orgthingy: debian has way more developers and software: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 13:29.46 | lkthomas | I want to know if it's generic problem or what |
| 13:30.06 | lkthomas | I am using core2quad with 4G of ram |
| 13:30.13 | lkthomas | let's hope everything goes fine |
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| 13:31.14 | orgthingy | so debian is better |
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| 13:31.43 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 13:31.44 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 13:31.46 | Bengt7jqb | Debian is the BEST ! |
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| 13:32.39 | biz | what is the default return value of 'db_metaget shared/default-x-server owners'? |
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| 13:33.29 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 13:33.38 | lkthomas | after trying to boot up with debian installation disc |
| 13:33.43 | lkthomas | it is holding on syslogd |
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| 13:34.00 | lkthomas | obviously having same problem with ubuntu |
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| 13:36.31 | lkthomas | looks like a generic problem or what |
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| 13:37.44 | troubled | abrotman: nah, just testin patch |
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| 13:37.55 | abrotman | troubled: damn autojoin :) |
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| 13:38.32 | troubled | abrotman: damn bot picked up your: is ravenird broken?, line as a question and relayed it to my bot though |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | troubled: hehe |
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| 13:39.05 | SpeedyG | hi, I want to move an ext3 partition, but gparted cant, is there a program that can move ext3 ? |
| 13:39.10 | lkthomas | tarzeau: very slow response speed on amd64 version |
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| 13:43.17 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.45 | tarzeau | lkthomas: response to what? |
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| 13:44.53 | lkthomas | tarzeau: when you press a button, it takes almost 1mins to "think" |
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| 13:45.02 | lkthomas | which is not happening on i386 installation |
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| 13:45.13 | mike1o | !modem |
| 13:45.13 | dpkg | modem is probably (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
| 13:45.23 | tarzeau | lkthomas: something is wrong then, i never had that |
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| 13:45.54 | lkthomas | looks like so |
| 13:45.57 | lkthomas | I try ubuntu and debian |
| 13:46.00 | mike1o | is the ac97 sis modem supported? |
| 13:46.03 | lkthomas | both suffering same problem |
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| 13:46.19 | lkthomas | looks like a generic kernel problem |
| 13:47.17 | abrotman | mike1o: is it a winmodem ? |
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| 13:47.36 | biz | lkthomas: debootstrap amd64 debian using any x86_64 live cd, chroot into it and install the recent kernel, try again |
| 13:48.01 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 13:49.19 | mike1o | abrotman, could be... it's an internal 56k modem... |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 13:49.29 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 13:50.23 | mike1o | abrotman, aren't they non free? |
| 13:50.26 | abrotman | some of them |
| 13:50.31 | abrotman | like slmodem |
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| 13:53.18 | mike1o | !winmodem-trick |
| 13:53.19 | dpkg | it has been said that winmodem-trick is Curious whether you have a winmodem or not? su or login as root and type: grep 16550 /var/log/messages If you get something back, then you DONT have a winmodem, the 16550 is the UART which controls certain things about the modem. Winmodems dont have UARTs because all r/t work is done by the cpu. |
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| 13:54.36 | stew | if you get something back, you have at least one non-winmodem :) |
| 13:54.49 | mike1o | cool eehe |
| 13:54.57 | Nethox | :D |
| 13:55.25 | mike1o | are all winmodems supported? |
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| 14:01.00 | abrotman | mike1o: no |
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| 14:02.04 | FastPutty | hi guys, i try to use mail, but i do not get any email.. |
| 14:02.19 | slapfaceware | that means nobody send you any email |
| 14:02.29 | FastPutty | mail command* |
| 14:02.47 | stew | FastPutty: install mailx |
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| 14:03.05 | FastPutty | stew i did install |
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| 14:03.19 | stew | FastPutty: what exactly is your question? |
| 14:03.19 | FastPutty | mail comand works but when i send emil i do not recieve it |
| 14:03.50 | stew | FastPutty: you are trying to send mail to be locally delivered (on this box) or to the internet? |
| 14:03.52 | Ronin | FastPutty: log files? spam blocker? black listed somewhere? |
| 14:03.55 | FastPutty | to the net |
| 14:04.08 | stew | FastPutty: which mta do you have installed? |
| 14:04.10 | FastPutty | Ronin: no firewall on this machin its a test one |
| 14:04.22 | FastPutty | i have install sendmail and xmail |
| 14:04.31 | stew | FastPutty: check /var/log/mail.log |
| 14:04.34 | Ronin | didnt mean firewall logs i meant mta logs |
| 14:04.35 | stew | FastPutty: and 'mailq' |
| 14:04.38 | FastPutty | hmm do i need to install postfix for this? |
| 14:04.41 | stew | no |
| 14:04.42 | abrotman | FastPutty: check the mailq |
| 14:05.11 | FastPutty | sm-msp-queue[7131]: unable to qualify my own domain name (firewall) -- using short name |
| 14:05.17 | FastPutty | O_O |
| 14:05.21 | abrotman | misconfigured! |
| 14:05.56 | FastPutty | i just did a apt-get install mailx O_O |
| 14:05.56 | FastPutty | lol |
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| 14:07.50 | abrotman | FastPutty: your smtp server is misconfigured |
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| 14:08.24 | FastPutty | ok im looking at it thanks a lot |
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| 14:09.37 | FastPutty | where is the smtp configuration? O_O |
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| 14:10.08 | ZeNN | i'm trying to patch and compile Asterisk-1.2.19 but keep getting an error message stating that: asterisk.c:94: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'capget' |
| 14:10.12 | ZeNN | complete log at: http://pastebin.com/d49446520 |
| 14:10.47 | FastPutty | ZeNN: look like there an error in the source code |
| 14:11.04 | intralanman | typical of asterisk :-\ |
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| 14:12.22 | ZeNN | FastPutty: yup, unfortunately vISDN is poorly documented and Googling this error doesnt help |
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| 14:12.44 | intralanman | ZeNN, isn't visdn unmaintained ? |
| 14:13.37 | ZeNN | intralanman: yes, but i need that driver for my newly bought vgsm pci card |
| 14:13.45 | ZeNN | so i dont' have a choise atm |
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| 14:14.02 | intralanman | mISDN or one of the many others won't work? |
| 14:14.27 | Azio | embarassingly I know how to add a vncserver :num |
| 14:14.31 | Azio | but I'm not sure how to remove it |
| 14:14.32 | Azio | any ideas? |
| 14:14.35 | ZeNN | nope, it has to be vISDN. :( |
| 14:14.41 | intralanman | eh, anyway..... anyone know anything about atheros chipsets? |
| 14:14.48 | intralanman | i have madwifi installed |
| 14:14.48 | Azio | yes intralanman |
| 14:14.51 | Azio | trying to crax? |
| 14:14.52 | Azio | ;p |
| 14:14.53 | intralanman | modprobed |
| 14:14.54 | ZeNN | vstuff/visdn is maintened by Voismart (manifacturer of vgsm card) |
| 14:15.00 | Sadneophyte | oh great #debian lords... I am using ext3 on a 'scratch' partition and I acidentially managed to fill the partition, now after deleting files and running 'e2fsck -f -p -D /dev/sda3' the partition is still full. There are 2 gigs of unused space on the drive and 0 free (echo foo > foo) through disk full error |
| 14:15.03 | intralanman | but can't iwconfig |
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| 14:15.11 | FastPutty | abrotman: i am wrong about the log, the log was date of yesterday. my problem today is somethin different with the mail command |
| 14:15.19 | intralanman | Azio, nah, just trying to connex :-) |
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| 14:15.22 | abrotman | i'm not omniscient |
| 14:15.36 | Azio | haha intralanman ;] |
| 14:16.00 | ZeNN | intralanman: try wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wlan0 wlanmode ap |
| 14:16.02 | Azio | dude - what problems you having, I would help but atm i cant even remove a vncserver :0 that i added as root by mistake to a friends box |
| 14:16.03 | Azio | \o\ |
| 14:16.09 | Azio | please someone tell me how to remove it :< |
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| 14:16.27 | Azio | will rm work its magic? |
| 14:16.29 | ZeNN | intralanman: and the iwconfig ath0 |
| 14:16.29 | shtoom | Hi if I brun a bootable DVD image of Debian in multisession mode will that work as a bootable DVD allowing me to use remaining space later ? |
| 14:16.45 | Sadneophyte | Azio me, no |
| 14:16.47 | Azio | rm /root/.vnc/hostname:num.log |
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| 14:17.31 | Azio | ;< |
| 14:17.34 | shtoom | or is it some thing stupid to do that ? |
| 14:17.39 | Azio | please someone help.. panicing atm |
| 14:17.45 | Spida | simonrvn: the buildlog in /var/cache/modass ? |
| 14:17.52 | Azio | rm /root/.Xauthority ? |
| 14:17.54 | intralanman | ZeNN, tried..... i get "wlanconfig: ioctl: No such device" |
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| 14:18.18 | Sadneophyte | ohhh great #debian lords please help your disciple reclaim his free space! |
| 14:18.44 | Azio | Sadneophyte rm -rf /home/* |
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| 14:18.45 | Azio | :P |
| 14:18.49 | azeem | Sadneophyte: it might help if you start to address people properly |
| 14:18.52 | abrotman | Sadneophyte: sync ? |
| 14:18.53 | Azio | oh FREE disk space :P |
| 14:19.21 | ZeNN | intralanman: what does dmesg say ? |
| 14:19.24 | azeem | also, what does df say? |
| 14:19.36 | ZeNN | intralanman: dmesg|grep wifi0 |
| 14:19.50 | Sadneophyte | azeem 0 free 2 gig unused |
| 14:19.54 | intralanman | wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13) |
| 14:19.54 | Azio | I have just added vncserver :0 to root - please please please could someone tell me how to remove it.. I always use CLI usually |
| 14:20.13 | azeem | Sadneophyte: I bet that's not what df says, put the output on a pastebin |
| 14:20.14 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 14:20.14 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 14:20.32 | ZeNN | intralanman: what hw version do you have / which chipset ? |
| 14:20.45 | Loigor | azeem: ps aux |grep vnc and kill by PID |
| 14:21.01 | dembug | ok, thanks |
| 14:21.08 | dembug | didnt realise it was process controlled |
| 14:21.09 | Loigor | dembug* |
| 14:21.15 | dembug | heh, yeah, sorry mr Loigor |
| 14:21.21 | Loigor | np ;-) |
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| 14:21.23 | dembug | changed my nick inbetween questions.. ahh deary me |
| 14:21.37 | Sadneophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.39 | dembug | Sorry for being a total idiot i get very bad when in __panic__ |
| 14:21.51 | dembug | Sadneophyte have you fsckedd? |
| 14:21.52 | Sadneophyte | azeem above |
| 14:21.52 | Loigor | it's normal |
| 14:21.54 | cast | pkill vnc |
| 14:21.55 | cast | :) |
| 14:21.57 | azeem | Sadneophyte: those 2GB aren't free- they're reserved for root |
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| 14:22.12 | azeem | Sadneophyte: man tune2fs , search for "reserved" |
| 14:22.17 | intralanman | ZeNN, unknown |
| 14:22.20 | intralanman | ZeNN, http://pastebin.ca/758723 |
| 14:22.21 | dembug | ok cast thanks, if i start vnc up again its not going to load the old :0 i added in root I hope :D |
| 14:22.22 | Sadneophyte | azeem thanks will read |
| 14:22.33 | azeem | Sadneophyte: by default 5% are reserved for root, if this is a data partition, you can probably safely down that to 1% |
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| 14:22.50 | dembug | he could still run a fsck -c if he thinks there is a FS problem ;p |
| 14:22.54 | Sadneophyte | azeem it is a temp for userfiles 'scratch' |
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| 14:23.23 | ZeNN | intralanman: hmmmmmm hold on |
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| 14:24.03 | Sadneophyte | azeem thanks a lot it does look like it is reserved... brb after I finish reading |
| 14:24.39 | Sadneophyte | dembug ran lots of e2fsck or whatever it is called, all of them liked the drive |
| 14:26.37 | Nethox | Sadneophyte: 0x51 -> time to backup |
| 14:27.02 | Sadneophyte | Nethox what is 0x51 :( |
| 14:27.05 | Nethox | At least from my experience, heh |
| 14:27.19 | Sadneophyte | <= hides behind his desk |
| 14:27.57 | Nethox | { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 14:28.21 | FastPutty | do i have to have a smtp server to be able to use mailx? |
| 14:28.28 | stew | FastPutty: yes |
| 14:28.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:28.40 | Nethox | Sadneophyte: I had that kind of errors before 2 HDD got broken |
| 14:28.40 | FastPutty | ok O_O |
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| 14:29.22 | nopoints | how can a package be in etch *and* sid but not in lenny? |
| 14:29.22 | Sadneophyte | Nethox sounds like someone downloaded too much porn and was smitten by the hand of GOD... (makes ghost noises) |
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| 14:29.56 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 14:29.56 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 14:30.08 | Nethox | Sadneophyte: I hope you talk about yourself :P |
| 14:30.29 | Sadneophyte | (makes more dramatic ghost noises |
| 14:31.41 | nopoints | abrotman: I know why the version of sid is not in lenny, but why is the version that is in etch not in testing? |
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| 14:32.01 | abrotman | nopoints: maybe a dependency got upgraded/removed |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | nopoints: are you takling about vlc? |
| 14:32.26 | stew | nopoints: packages are removed from testing frequently in order to facilitate library transitions |
| 14:32.27 | nopoints | no actually a simple package: gnuplot-mode |
| 14:32.49 | stew | nopoints: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnuplot-mode/news/20071027T223915Z.html |
| 14:32.55 | nopoints | it is just an emacs mode I can't imagine it breaks anything |
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| 14:33.48 | nopoints | stew: ok thanks. |
| 14:34.01 | Nethox | Sadneophyte: how old is your disk? |
| 14:34.41 | Sadneophyte | Nethox not new, but it aint an IBM deathstar |
| 14:34.53 | dembug | !paste |
| 14:34.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 14:35.26 | Sadneophyte | nethox... it was silly reserved space from the makers of ext3 filesystem... I usually used reiser, but I decided if it isn't gonna be mainstream I wasn't gonna use it |
| 14:35.31 | stew | nopoints: you can install it from unstable |
| 14:35.47 | dembug | http://rafb.net/p/BhpHO219.html |
| 14:35.57 | dembug | any ideas? |
| 14:35.58 | FastPutty | ok my mail command do not want to send any email. someone could help me o_O |
| 14:36.02 | stew | Sadneophyte: if you think it is silly you can get rid of it with tune2fs |
| 14:36.03 | dembug | missing xfonts i think |
| 14:36.07 | Sadneophyte | thank you omniscient #debian lords |
| 14:36.16 | dembug | lol Sadneophyte you sound so sarcastic |
| 14:36.17 | dembug | ;p |
| 14:36.20 | Sadneophyte | stew thanks already did, it works GREAT! |
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| 14:37.17 | Sadneophyte | what is the roadmap for debian biarch... coming out in the next 12 months? |
| 14:37.38 | Sadneophyte | !biarch |
| 14:37.39 | dpkg | i heard multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 14:37.41 | dembug | lenny |
| 14:37.42 | dembug | ;p |
| 14:37.45 | dembug | (lol) |
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| 14:38.57 | cast | Sadneophyte: have you considered using windows! |
| 14:39.07 | dembug | ouch :> |
| 14:39.10 | Nethox | Sadneophyte: ok, reserved space is set up in the installation |
| 14:39.22 | dembug | ;p |
| 14:39.30 | Sadneophyte | Nethox yeah I am so a noob for ext3... |
| 14:39.34 | dembug | at least he can probably make vnc work |
| 14:39.35 | dembug | :D |
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| 14:39.50 | dembug | Sigh, I never use it.. i blame customers |
| 14:39.51 | Sadneophyte | cast this is why I never come here bye |
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| 14:39.58 | dembug | oow |
| 14:40.04 | dembug | I've never had any problems here, ever. |
| 14:40.11 | dembug | and I'm a *farking* idiot. |
| 14:40.11 | abrotman | you smell nice |
| 14:40.20 | dembug | hey abrotman ;p |
| 14:40.23 | Nethox | Sadneophyte: well, you can trust a little, it's quite secure in default conf, but check tune2fs |
| 14:40.25 | cast | my bad. i underestimated his sensitivity :\ |
| 14:40.31 | dembug | sorry for spamming up your channel |
| 14:40.52 | Noboru | can anyone suggest me a anti-ddos fo apache2 ? |
| 14:41.16 | Noboru | i am using mod_dosevasive for my apache1.3,i have another server runs apache2 |
| 14:41.25 | Noboru | that module won't work on the 2.x serials :( |
| 14:41.27 | abrotman | asked #apache ? |
| 14:41.35 | Noboru | ok |
| 14:41.41 | Nethox | The best anti-DDoS is to attack first |
| 14:41.59 | abrotman | that's not funny |
| 14:42.01 | Noboru | Nethox, lol |
| 14:42.02 | dembug | apt-get install xserver-xorg | not sufficient for vncserver? |
| 14:42.10 | abrotman | dembug: xorg probably needed |
| 14:42.16 | dembug | Nethox: ouch.. |
| 14:42.21 | dembug | thanks abrotman you're always a star |
| 14:42.23 | Noboru | yeah agree with abrotman's |
| 14:42.34 | Noboru | attach for no reason is very evil,i anti-it |
| 14:42.41 | Noboru | attack* |
| 14:42.46 | dembug | Noboru you're best anti ddos is null route |
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| 14:42.50 | dembug | or traffic shaping |
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| 14:43.01 | dembug | or stop broadcasting on that route.. |
| 14:43.21 | dembug | if you or your ISP is BGP - then that'll be easy ;] |
| 14:43.39 | dembug | probably ubuntu knowing his sillyness |
| 14:43.49 | dembug | "but ubuntu is debian" |
| 14:43.49 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 14:44.38 | dembug | thanks abrotman you're 1000% right. |
| 14:44.44 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:44.44 | dembug | silly me |
| 14:44.47 | dembug | xorg |
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| 14:44.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:45.04 | dembug | im actually better with cli (no really, lol) |
| 14:45.17 | dembug | not much experience with these X packages |
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| 14:45.24 | Reclutador | hello |
| 14:45.28 | dembug | now I have my font path, thanks!! |
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| 14:46.38 | ofer | how to extract wav from mp3 ? |
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| 14:47.17 | cast | ofer: mplayer can dump it, audacity will export it as wave |
| 14:48.23 | cast | mpg321 -w :) |
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| 14:49.00 | cast | sox, too |
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| 14:49.51 | maxdoubt | what was the last kernel that let non-root users set keycodes, and what is the piece of the code that restricts that (i'd like to let my users set them) |
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| 14:50.33 | elenril | how can i make a newline in \[\] in latex? |
| 14:50.53 | cast | elenril: \\ |
| 14:50.57 | cast | elenril: \newline, too |
| 14:51.20 | elenril | cast, doesn't work in math mode |
| 14:51.27 | ofer | cast, ty, I did it with sox |
| 14:52.26 | petaa | whats the right way to set the nameservers manually? /etc/resolv.conf is a symlink to a resolv.conf generated by 'resolvconf', so do i have to define them in network/interfaces now? |
| 14:52.30 | elenril | \\ works in \align, but i don't want to use it's name in vain :) |
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| 14:53.00 | cast | elenril: hmm, use eqnarray might be one way |
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| 14:53.39 | Asmooh | hey |
| 14:53.45 | keith4 | i'm trying to run something that wants to be able to "write extended attributes to the file system"... what does this mean? |
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| 14:53.49 | Asmooh | how can i build my own live-cd ? |
| 14:53.50 | Asmooh | :P |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | Asmooh: debian has one .. learning how to make one is outside the scope of this channel |
| 14:54.32 | cydork | Asmooh: check live.debian.net |
| 14:54.37 | Asmooh | ok cool thx :) |
| 14:54.47 | ofer | petaa, i had that problem too |
| 14:54.48 | keith4 | Asmooh: http://www.governmentsecurity.org/archive/t14661.html |
| 14:54.49 | Asmooh | because i want to "promote" debian |
| 14:54.56 | cydork | Asmooh: oh it moved to http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:55.18 | ofer | petaa, I solved it by changing that resolv file and then run "chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf", which makes the file un-editable by any program until you chatter -i it. |
| 14:55.21 | Jabberwock | Dia duit |
| 14:55.28 | Jabberwock | What package is mod_proxy_balancer in? |
| 14:55.30 | ofer | chattr* |
| 14:56.11 | cast | apache2.2-common: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy_balancer.so |
| 14:56.13 | Jabberwock | n/m I see it. it's just not symlinke dto mods-enabled |
| 14:56.15 | Jabberwock | thanks |
| 14:56.22 | keith4 | Jabberwock: read the man page for "a2enmod" |
| 14:56.36 | keith4 | (and then a2dismod) |
| 14:56.46 | Reclutador | WWW.BARNATUX.COM |
| 14:57.31 | tarzeau | any of you watch a lot of anime? |
| 14:59.15 | DennisMiller | Andre Linoge |
| 14:59.18 | Jabberwock | keith4: thank you :) |
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| 14:59.40 | Asmooh | i wonder |
| 15:00.01 | intralanman | how does one upgrade their kernel with debian? |
| 15:00.02 | Asmooh | if i install debian on my USB; can i copy the usb directly to another USB? |
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| 15:00.17 | Asmooh | i compile it by my own intralanman |
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| 15:00.35 | keith4 | intralanman: look for the 'linux-image' packages |
| 15:00.45 | keith4 | or roll your own |
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| 15:01.13 | s-andy | hi! how do you think - is it worth to install debian amd64 on the server? |
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| 15:01.26 | cast | s-andy: does it use openssl? |
| 15:01.27 | intralanman | i'd rather not do my own right now.... this is a pretty new laptop and i'm not familiar with all it's hardware yet.... hoping for something that will "just work" for the time being |
| 15:01.34 | s-andy | cast: yes |
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| 15:01.49 | rubymonk | Hello everyone :) What package do I have to install to avoid those messages ? http://pastebin.ca/758751 |
| 15:01.50 | FastPutty | soneone could help me with the exim and mail problem please here the log: http://pastebin.com/m3970b01d |
| 15:02.06 | cast | s-andy: i would say its well worth it then, the main issues with 64bit are with closed source binary things like some codecs and flash |
| 15:02.07 | petaa | ofer: thanks i just found the right way! read /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz and then add the dns-* directives to /etc/network/interfaces :-) |
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| 15:02.21 | ofer | petaa, ah yes, thank you so much, |
| 15:02.22 | suppaman | re |
| 15:02.26 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 15:03.11 | s-andy | cast: why did you ask about openssl?.. |
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| 15:03.37 | SamuraiDio | how can i add permissions to restart my network interfaces to all users in some group? |
| 15:03.37 | s-andy | cast: that server is not going to have any gui and codecs/falsh |
| 15:03.41 | cast | s-andy: because openssl gets pretty huge speedups in 64bit mode |
| 15:03.52 | s-andy | cast: oh... i see |
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| 15:04.18 | stew | s-andy: the downside of using 64 bit would be that applications will require more memory |
| 15:04.35 | SamuraiDio | i was trying to do it with sudo |
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| 15:05.16 | Nethox | That's why the base systems uses 29 MB of RAM instead of 8 MB in 386, then |
| 15:05.28 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.com/d3403d398 |
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| 15:05.55 | cast | would 32->64 really account for a >3x increase though? |
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| 15:09.12 | Nethox | cast: I don't know, it's the first amd64 I have installed, but the memory usage didn't match the process list info |
| 15:09.25 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me? |
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| 15:10.33 | Nethox | cast: can the SMP kernel be another reason? |
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| 15:10.56 | keith4 | SamuraiDio: can't you just put people in the network group? |
| 15:11.02 | keith4 | (i'm not sure that works) |
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| 15:12.25 | Asmooh | does debian work without swap anyway? |
| 15:12.26 | SamuraiDio | keith, network does not exist, i put people in netdev, but thats dnt work too |
| 15:12.53 | cast | Asmooh: yes. i don't use swap :) |
| 15:12.59 | SamuraiDio | Asmooh, yes, since you have enouth memory |
| 15:13.07 | Asmooh | hm |
| 15:13.12 | Asmooh | yea im testing something |
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| 15:13.29 | Asmooh | install debian on a USB stick; and then try to use it in every pc that can boot from usb |
| 15:13.30 | Asmooh | ;) |
| 15:13.35 | SamuraiDio | Asmooh, you can disable swap with # swap off -a; command |
| 15:13.39 | intralanman | if i want/need the 2.6.23 kernel.... do i need to add and experimental source to my sources.list? |
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| 15:14.09 | Asmooh | SamuraiDio, i think i keep swap , you never know :) |
| 15:14.19 | intralanman | apt only shows 2.6.18's now |
| 15:14.29 | Asmooh | intralanman, www.kernel.org :) |
| 15:14.43 | intralanman | heh |
| 15:14.44 | cast | intralanman: .22 is in backports.org if you can live with that |
| 15:14.54 | intralanman | i don't think i can |
| 15:15.03 | mike1o | im having trouble getting 2.6.23's headers... im missing linux-kbuild-2.6.23 |
| 15:15.05 | Asmooh | sure you can :) |
| 15:15.08 | intralanman | the bot is telling me i _need_ .23 for the atheros card i have |
| 15:15.23 | intralanman | !zd1211rw |
| 15:15.24 | dpkg | it has been said that zd1211rw is the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets (http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw). Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. |
| 15:15.35 | Asmooh | intralanman, my girlfriend is using 2.6.22 with her atheros card |
| 15:15.36 | Asmooh | :) |
| 15:15.46 | Asmooh | but she compiled the kernel from kernel.org |
| 15:15.48 | cast | see now we know hes lying |
| 15:16.01 | intralanman | i was using 2.6.17 with another atheros card..... but that was another atheros card ;-) |
| 15:16.05 | stew | cast: nobody is lying |
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| 15:16.11 | cast | stew: joke :> |
| 15:16.19 | Asmooh | hm |
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| 15:17.00 | Asmooh | i can compile a kernel on my pc and copyit to my other pc arn't i ? |
| 15:17.23 | cast | ambigious albeit, was refering to Asmooh |
| 15:17.29 | stew | intralanman: 2.6.23 isn't in debian yet. there are experimental pre-release packages that are most likely broken. you can download 2.6.23 from kernel.org and compile it with make-kpkg: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:17.33 | stew | Asmooh: yes |
| 15:17.40 | Asmooh | cast, well why lying? |
| 15:17.56 | mike1o | !empia |
| 15:19.14 | mike1o | stew, what about the headers...? |
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| 15:19.28 | mike1o | intralanman, I have .23 from a repository |
| 15:20.05 | stew | mike1o: none of 2.6.23 headers / images / source / kbuids are in debian yet |
| 15:20.20 | mike1o | stew, I know... I added a special rep |
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| 15:20.42 | stew | mike1o: i don't understand your question about the headers then, can you restate it? |
| 15:21.17 | mike1o | stew, I have the kernel and the sources... there must be way to make the headers out of these.. |
| 15:21.47 | stew | mike1o: yes, /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:22.45 | stew | mike1o: if you use the "binary" target of make-kpkg, it will make a image/headers/source package from the source contained in the source package |
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| 15:23.19 | initself_ | why would i want a 64-bit server |
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| 15:23.20 | initself_ | ? |
| 15:23.43 | mike1o | stew, excellent... that's exactly what I was looking for :-) |
| 15:23.44 | stew | initself_: for some operations it would be faster. it would, however use more memory |
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| 15:24.34 | stew | initself_: depending on how applications are compiled, 64 bit machiens can do 32 bit integer math faster (since it can do two such operations at the same time) |
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| 15:24.56 | Grandie | What is a good chmod to set for you're ~/ dir if I am the only user on the system? |
| 15:25.01 | Grandie | your* |
| 15:25.17 | rmaj | hello |
| 15:25.22 | rmaj | hi stew \o/ |
| 15:25.28 | intralanman | Grandie, 700? |
| 15:25.35 | abrotman | Grandie: are you worried about the other you breaking in and stealing your files? |
| 15:25.36 | rmaj | do I have to pay to use rar (in work)? or why it is in non-free? |
| 15:25.41 | yang | I am trying to install libxul-dev but this is what i get http://paste.debian.net/41318 |
| 15:25.44 | abrotman | rmaj: the license |
| 15:25.57 | Grandie | abrotman: no, but considering some other applicaton usres |
| 15:26.05 | Grandie | might need to retrieve the data from the files in ~/ |
| 15:26.08 | Grandie | like apache etc |
| 15:26.15 | Grandie | dunno but could be for some reason ? |
| 15:26.16 | initself_ | stew: thanks |
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| 15:26.44 | rmaj | abrotman: mhm, but all things that are in non-free are at least legal to download and use usually (assuming I'm not in USA with patents / devcss problems) |
| 15:27.42 | stew | rmaj: there are restrictions to how you can redistribute rar and what you are allowed to do with the source code |
| 15:27.46 | abrotman | rmaj: that's license issues |
| 15:27.52 | stew | rmaj: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/r/rar/rar_3.7b1-2/rar.copyright |
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| 15:28.31 | rmaj | ok cool |
| 15:28.46 | stew | rmaj: read section 8 |
| 15:29.04 | stew | rmaj: and section 2 |
| 15:29.35 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 15:30.08 | Nyle | so it continues to work after the 40 days, which is what incentive for one to go and guy a key? |
| 15:31.05 | Nyle | I don't want to pay for rar |
| 15:31.45 | redduck666 | Nyle: you don't have to. |
| 15:31.45 | moshii | Nyle: there is a free unrar.. it just doesn't work on newer archives |
| 15:32.45 | Trewas | considering the area where rar is actually used widely, I wonder how many have actually pay for it |
| 15:32.47 | Nyle | Alexander Roshal is a greedy bastard |
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| 15:35.23 | Ronin | ya god forbid he makes money off something he wrote |
| 15:36.20 | Nyle | Ronin: yeh... I think its been long enough, and he has made a lot I guess. It's time to free the rar. |
| 15:36.34 | Ronin | Nyle: i was being sarcastic actually |
| 15:36.44 | Nyle | I wasn't. |
| 15:36.54 | Ronin | personally i feel he wrote it he can make money off it |
| 15:37.04 | Nyle | and you have the right to feel that way :) |
| 15:37.22 | suppaman | bye |
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| 15:37.24 | Ronin | hard to make a living if you keep giving it away |
| 15:37.45 | Nyle | Black Flag. |
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| 15:38.10 | Ronin | pardon? |
| 15:38.22 | Nyle | nevermind, you didn't make the connection. |
| 15:38.36 | Ronin | punk band? |
| 15:38.42 | stew | he didn't even write it |
| 15:38.50 | Nyle | a song, and what they stand for. |
| 15:38.53 | Nyle | hi stew |
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| 15:40.19 | Nyle | developed by Eugene Roshal (hence the name RAR: Roshal ARchive) |
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| 15:41.07 | Ronin | so his brother wrote |
| 15:41.12 | Ronin | im assuming brother |
| 15:41.16 | Nyle | The mostly free-software archiver 7-Zip uses a proprietary plugin under the non-free "unRAR license" for decompression of newer RAR files. |
| 15:41.19 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 15:41.40 | Nyle | soo... one doesn't need rar per se, and 7zip is included in debian afaicr |
| 15:41.50 | Nyle | unrar* I mean |
| 15:42.32 | abrotman | i think you're spending too much time analyzing it :) |
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| 15:42.59 | stew | sure, one doesn't need to use rar at all, there are plenty of other good archive formats out there. if you want to decompress recent rar archives, you will need to use non-free software |
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| 15:45.21 | yang | I am trying to install libxul-dev but this is what i get http://paste.debian.net/41318 |
| 15:45.23 | techouse | when i enable emerald and open openoffice the openoffice window has no titlebar |
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| 15:45.33 | techouse | any ideas why? all other windows have titlebars, however |
| 15:45.51 | Jonah_ | hey guys i install a kernel module driver with make, make install but it locks my system up, so how do i uninstall it? |
| 15:46.15 | Jonah_ | tried make uninstall from the dir i did the make install but that gives some error about no rule target |
| 15:46.25 | SlayerXP | Jonah_: rm |
| 15:46.27 | abrotman | just delete it? run depmod -a |
| 15:47.03 | Jonah_ | SlayerXP, rm? |
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| 15:47.21 | Jonah_ | abrotman, delete it? but how do i know what and where to delete? |
| 15:47.24 | MrHans | what is the command to check my linux version? |
| 15:47.43 | stew | MrHans: uname -r |
| 15:48.02 | MrHans | that does not tell me the distro... |
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| 15:48.07 | MrHans | like debial, rh.. |
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| 15:48.12 | MrHans | debian* |
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| 15:48.19 | Ronin | Havis: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:48.50 | MrHans | my rpm command does not work: -bash: rpm: command not found |
| 15:48.57 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 15:48.57 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 15:48.58 | Ronin | MrHans: rpm? |
| 15:49.03 | Havis | Ronin, ? |
| 15:49.09 | Supaplex | MrHans: why not use apt? |
| 15:49.10 | Ronin | MrHans: why are you using rpm on debian? |
| 15:49.11 | MrHans | right |
| 15:49.16 | rmaj | Nyle: yeap I would use 7z myslef but dunno if recipent has it |
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| 15:50.09 | techouse | oh....fixed it :P |
| 15:50.11 | Jonah_ | hello anyone can you please help me unistall a driver that prob never install right in the first place and is locking up my machine, i installed it with make install, now i can only do anything from recovery shell - how do i get rid of this driver kernel module? |
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| 15:51.07 | Supaplex | Jonah_: that all depends on the driver. what's the name of it? |
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| 15:51.18 | redduck666 | Jonah_: prevent it from loading at the startup? |
| 15:51.32 | Jonah_ | Supalex, it's this driver: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz |
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| 15:51.48 | jas0n | Hi. |
| 15:51.58 | Jonah_ | redduck666, how do i do that, also i'd rather completely get rid of it if it doesnt work |
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| 15:52.16 | amadeux | Is there anyway to have firefox elegantly not play any videostreams within the browser (no plugin I have tried works flawlessly), and then when I click, it should open an external mplayer (not within browser) and play the video there? |
| 15:52.18 | redduck666 | Jonah_: remove it from /etc/modules. |
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| 15:52.47 | Jonah_ | redduck666, could you please very kindly guide me on how to do that, i'm already scared as my system is broken... |
| 15:53.34 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, what do you think to the driver, is there a way to remove it? |
| 15:53.43 | jas0n | how do you guys install ion3 on lenny? i can't find it by aptitude... i see only ion2 |
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| 15:54.06 | Supaplex | Jonah_: gimmie a moment, reading |
| 15:54.19 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, ok thanks a lot |
| 15:54.29 | redduck666 | Jonah_: nano /etc/modules, remove the driver line and than save the file. |
| 15:54.38 | stew | jas0n: you'd have to backport it from non-free in unstable. the upstream author has asked that it not be released in debian until he makes a release upstream |
| 15:54.40 | Trewas | jas0n: it is in non-free |
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| 15:55.36 | zapalotta | hello. I want (need) to build netatalk myself on testing. But debuild wants heimdal-dev and libcupsys2-dev which mutually exclude each other. any hint? |
| 15:55.44 | Jonah_ | redduck666, that only seems to have a few entries and although there is rtc in there i don't see an rt61 or anything like that |
| 15:55.51 | jas0n | stew: how can i do that? i need to write special line to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:56.14 | redduck666 | jas0n: just add 'non-free' the the end of your existing line. |
| 15:56.15 | yang | which package is required in debian if i get Can't find xulrunner-xpcom, mozilla-xpcom or firefox-xpcom |
| 15:56.19 | mike1o | how do I format a usb stick? |
| 15:56.38 | redduck666 | mike1o: mkfs.<your fs> /dev/<your device> |
| 15:56.56 | Supaplex | Jonah_: what's in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/extra/ ? |
| 15:56.57 | redduck666 | (<your device> is probably /dev/sda1) |
| 15:57.05 | Supaplex | Jonah_: http://rafb.net/paste show us here. |
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| 15:57.42 | redduck666 | Jonah_: hmmm, are you sure that the driver is the one screwing things up? |
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| 15:58.18 | utab | Hi there, How can I output my laptop screen to a normal monitor? I searched but could not find what I wanted |
| 15:58.40 | jas0n | redduck666: added, aptitude update and I still don't see package named ion3 |
| 15:58.41 | stew | jas0n: there are two ways to accomplish it, one is to install the unstable package into testing without recompiling it, which for this package looks safe right now, since ion3 hasn't been recompiled in unstable recently. /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix ; the safer way is to backport it: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:58.42 | utab | I use a dell latitude D610 with ati radeon x300 |
| 15:58.50 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, sorry so am i just typing /$(uname -r)/extra/ |
| 15:58.55 | stew | jas0n: yes, becuase you are running testing and the package is only distributed from unstable |
| 15:59.10 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, sorry so am i just typing /lib/module/$(uname -r)/extra/ |
| 15:59.50 | Supaplex | Jonah_: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ ; ls -l extra |
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| 16:00.46 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, yeah that shows me the module rt61.ko, that's the culprit!! |
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| 16:01.07 | Supaplex | Jonah_: you can rm that one. reinstall at will if neccessary. |
| 16:01.48 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, ah ok great, so i type rm /lib/modules/rt61.ko?? |
| 16:02.07 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, or is in an extra folder? |
| 16:02.19 | Supaplex | rm /lib/module/$(uname -r)/extra/rt61.ko |
| 16:02.22 | Supaplex | yes, |
| 16:04.05 | Jonah_ | Suplaplex, it says no such file or dir |
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| 16:04.09 | Burafar | hi |
| 16:04.23 | Burafar | hey, we had a hdd failure and now our primary hdd has been replaced |
| 16:04.25 | mike1o | redduck666, here's my problem http://paste.debian.net/41327 |
| 16:04.41 | Jonah_ | oh modules isn't it |
| 16:04.49 | Burafar | is there a howto how to get the data back from our second hdd which was raided with sw-raid (1) |
| 16:04.52 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, yeah modules, i;l try that |
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| 16:05.42 | mike1o | I don't have mkfs.vfat |
| 16:05.43 | Supaplex | Burafar: i'm sure there is. isn't it running in degraded mode? did you use google to your advantage? |
| 16:05.58 | Jonah_ | Suplaplex, ok that deleted alright, so do i need to remove any entries referring to that driver from anywhere else, like config files or places telling it to load that up? cos now it won't be found will it? |
| 16:06.01 | Supaplex | !tell mike1o -about installit |
| 16:06.23 | Burafar | Supaplex: i tried |
| 16:06.36 | Supaplex | Jonah_: if you want yes. it won't harm anything if the module isn't found |
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| 16:07.09 | jas0n | stew: where I can see backports packages for lenny? |
| 16:07.11 | Supaplex | mike1o: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/mkfs.vfat |
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| 16:07.37 | mike1o | tnx |
| 16:08.20 | jas0n | where I can check backported packages for lenny? |
| 16:08.21 | stew | jas0n: there are none, you'd have to do it yourself |
| 16:08.33 | jas0n | okay |
| 16:08.36 | yang | I am trying to install libxul-dev but it asks me to remove 15 packages this is what i get http://paste.debian.net/41318 |
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| 16:10.35 | abrotman | yang: paste your sources.list too |
| 16:11.01 | Jonah_ | Supaplex, ok well if it doesn't matter i'll just leave it then, unless you think i should tidy it up from somewhere, thanks for your help it worked, and my system has internet and is back up and running again |
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| 16:11.27 | redduck666 | mike1o: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 16:11.31 | Supaplex | Burafar: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html first hit on google. linux software raid howto |
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| 16:11.45 | mike1o | works now |
| 16:11.56 | redduck666 | yeah, read it too late |
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| 16:12.21 | Supaplex | redduck666: too late? |
| 16:12.30 | Supaplex | redduck666: misdirect, nm |
| 16:12.33 | ruben_ | Hello, one question, stripped programas using strip prog consumes minor memory than not stripped programs? |
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| 16:13.48 | Supaplex | ruben_: on disk, yes. ram? well, I guess that could be tested. Otherwise I don't know myself. |
| 16:13.54 | Grandie | How come the aliases that I have set in .bash_profile don't apply when using them inside a screen session? |
| 16:14.18 | ruben_ | Supaplex: it's a good idea to use it? |
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| 16:14.59 | Burafar | actually this looks pretty good |
| 16:15.03 | Burafar | oh |
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| 16:15.31 | Supaplex | ruben_: i've seen it break the occasional program. try it on something less important before you go running it on everything :) |
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| 16:18.00 | ruben_ | thanks Supaplex |
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| 16:19.20 | stew | ruben_: you are asking if you should run strip on binaries? |
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| 16:19.35 | drmitch | http://www.pastebin.ca/758796 |
| 16:19.47 | drmitch | there are a lot of packages that I CANNOT remove |
| 16:19.55 | drmitch | openoffice just appeared today |
| 16:20.21 | abrotman | drmitch: try removing openoffice.org-core |
| 16:21.17 | jas0n | is there some alternative in aptitude for 'apt-get build-dep'? |
| 16:22.05 | ruben_ | stew: yes, my english is bad sorry |
| 16:22.23 | Grandie | Is there some conf file for mysql for linux where I can set from which IP's it should be approached? |
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| 16:23.04 | simonrvn | @wb jelly |
| 16:23.05 | ravenbird | Welcome back jelly, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
| 16:23.18 | stew | ruben_: do you realize all of the binaries you install from debian are already stripped? |
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| 16:23.39 | simonrvn | unless it's a -dbg package ;) |
| 16:23.46 | ruben_ | stew: well my question is about 'fereing app' compiled on debian |
| 16:23.54 | abrotman | Grandie: isn't that part of the mysql permissions table ? |
| 16:23.58 | ruben_ | like djbdns |
| 16:24.23 | Grandie | abrotman: ah yes |
| 16:24.37 | abrotman | Grandie: i mean .. you could use iptables i suppose |
| 16:24.51 | Grandie | I think it's just adding a row with new host? |
| 16:24.54 | jas0n | is there some alternative in aptitude for 'apt-get build-dep'? |
| 16:24.56 | abrotman | ask #mysql |
| 16:25.03 | Grandie | yea |
| 16:25.09 | abrotman | jas0n: i don't think so |
| 16:25.48 | jelly | !aptitude-build-dep |
| 16:25.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude-build-dep is there is no built in way to remove build-deps after running apt-get build dep. However, here is a script that makes use <equivs> to install build-deps as dependencies of a dummy package that can be removed with aptitude later: http://p12n.org/hacks/aptitude-build-dep |
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| 16:26.34 | jelly | that said, the script didn't work that well for me |
| 16:26.38 | stew | nor for me |
| 16:26.55 | abrotman | can't you just clean up afterwards with deborphan ? |
| 16:27.05 | jas0n | apt-get build-dep ion3 wants to install 38 new packages. i've read that is not a good way to use apt-get for installing packages which have a lot of dependencies |
| 16:27.38 | jas0n | should i forget about it and just do it with apt-get? |
| 16:27.43 | jelly | jas0n: so copy the newly installed package names into a file, and purge them out later |
| 16:28.11 | stew | jas0n: apt-get has the same functionality that aptitude does in this regard now (marking packages as automatically installed), however, all of these packages are going to be manually installed anyway |
| 16:28.27 | yang | abrotman: concerning my libxul-dev and sources.lists are visible at http://paste.debian.net/41328 |
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| 16:29.03 | stew | jas0n: or if you are really wanting to keep your package list clean, you can use pbuilder to build the package |
| 16:29.25 | yang | abrotman: I think that package libxul-dev is broken |
| 16:29.34 | debian | Is there an easy way to get good wireless support for D-link dwl 122g with an rt2570 chipset to work whit debian? I accedently deleted the wireless ieee-some-numbers--folder. |
| 16:30.15 | jas0n | stew: ok... googling for it |
| 16:32.03 | jas0n | :| |
| 16:32.25 | jas0n | i see debian have a lot of packages tools |
| 16:32.26 | stew | jas0n: pbuilder creates a clean chroot and builds inside that chroot, then leaves the chroot exactly as it was when it is done building. it would cost you a couple hundred megs of disk space. aptitude install pbuilder ; pbuilder --create --distribution lenny |
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| 16:33.12 | jas0n | huh |
| 16:33.15 | stew | jas0n: then "pbuilder --build ion3_$version.dsc" would build ion3. you might want to supply --create a mirror so it doens't default to ftp.jp.debian.org |
| 16:33.48 | Doat | I need to run something with wine as root, but i get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server". |
| 16:34.06 | stew | Doat: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:34.32 | moshii | Doat: you need to give root permission to use your x session |
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| 16:34.37 | war | Whenever I login to KDE it always resets my sound to some wierd settings, I even have aumix -L $HOME/.aumixrc in my .kde/AutoStart/myscript.sh -- what keeps messing with my sound volume? |
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| 16:34.52 | moshii | Doat: there is a su wrapper called sux that makes that easy |
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| 16:35.45 | p_masho | where would i look for ssh errors? for some reason I cant login remotely to machine ? |
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| 16:35.55 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.57 | Doat | stew: thanks. the export thing worked |
| 16:36.02 | debian | why does make say that? |
| 16:36.12 | debian | do I need more packages? |
| 16:36.47 | stew | debian: what command did you run that gave you that error? |
| 16:36.57 | stew | p_masho: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 16:36.59 | debian | make |
| 16:37.16 | stew | debian: there must be a syntax error in the code at line 65 |
| 16:37.20 | debian | If you get lots of errors you probably have not got the kernel headers/source installed or are running an old kernel. |
| 16:37.36 | debian | How do I get kernel source, and headers? |
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| 16:38.47 | stew | debian: aptitude install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:39.18 | stew | debian: is there some reason you aren't compiling this with module assistant? |
| 16:39.20 | hark | debian: apt-cache search rt2570 |
| 16:39.39 | stew | !m-a debian rt2570 |
| 16:39.39 | dpkg | debian: to compile and install rt2570 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2570 && modprobe rt2570 ; if this works echo rt2570 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 16:40.03 | debian | Is the module assistance better? |
| 16:40.28 | initself_ | what's the prettiest way to output system specs from the command line? |
| 16:40.33 | initself_ | something more compact than dmesg |
| 16:40.35 | stew | debian: yes, it would automatically download the right source + headers, compile the module, make a debian package out of it and install the debian pacakge |
| 16:40.37 | Orion_X11 | I'd like to put this command " hdparm -c 1 -d 1 -k 1 /dev/hda " in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh But, I do not know in which line of the file should I put it. Any help? |
| 16:40.56 | debian | It cam to things up, how do I make and install them? |
| 16:41.09 | stew | Orion_X11: can you set that up in /etc/hdparm.conf ? |
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| 16:41.36 | stew | debian: huh? |
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| 16:42.07 | debian | 2 lines of out put on apt-cache search rt25780-source |
| 16:42.14 | debian | rt2570-source - RT2570 wireless network drivers source |
| 16:42.15 | debian | rt2x00-source - RT2x00 wireless network drivers source |
| 16:42.43 | debian | I think I want the top one, so how to use the module assistant to get it? |
| 16:42.53 | stew | !m-a debian rt2570 |
| 16:42.53 | dpkg | debian: to compile and install rt2570 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2570 && modprobe rt2570 ; if this works echo rt2570 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 16:43.28 | stew | !cmd: m-a (.*?) (.*?) =~ s#apt-get#aptitude# |
| 16:43.29 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 16:44.35 | debian | would it modprobe itself? at startup? |
| 16:44.40 | vasuvi | It looks like fglrx-driver is broken in Lenny (i386) right now |
| 16:45.28 | FastPutty | guys, how can iforget everything arriving from eth0:1 to 192.168.3.3 ? |
| 16:45.40 | stew | debian: probably not |
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| 16:46.10 | Orion_X11 | stew: I can but where to put that line? After de last "}" ? |
| 16:46.30 | stew | FastPutty: what do you mean? packets are going out that are destined to 192.168.3.3 and you want to drop them? or coming in? or what? |
| 16:47.28 | stew | Orion_X11: you can't put that line in directly, however you can set the default options in that file, or you can create a /dev/hda stanza at the end that does those specific things to /dev/hda |
| 16:48.13 | Orion_X11 | stew: I found a site that says to put the line in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and not in /etc/hdparm.conf |
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| 16:48.19 | jas0n | ok, last question: how do I install opera? :) |
| 16:48.32 | techouse | is there any way to play an aspx in linux? |
| 16:48.43 | jas0n | I can't find it in aptitude |
| 16:48.52 | xoz | if i want to know the manufacturer of my ram, is there a program to do this? i don't wnt to open the back of my notebook. |
| 16:49.11 | blackbart | jas0n, I installed it by downloading the deb from opera's website |
| 16:49.27 | stew | jas0n: yes, debian cannot legally redistribute opera, you'll have to get it from opera themselves |
| 16:49.45 | stew | xoz: if anything would be able to tell you, it would be dmidecode |
| 16:50.46 | debian | how can I fnid out why my system started lagging? |
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| 16:50.58 | xoz | stew: will try. thanks |
| 16:51.55 | kantor | hi, what is a meta package ? |
| 16:52.10 | cahoot | xoz: or using the eeprom module and /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl |
| 16:52.21 | p_masho | stew trying this but error "dpkg --debug=2000 sshd |
| 16:52.29 | techouse | omg! those damn bastards! http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458 |
| 16:52.30 | stew | kantor: a package which provides no functionality itself but exists only to depend on other packages so that you have one convienient way to install a suite of packages |
| 16:52.41 | stew | kantor: "xorg" is such a package as is "gnome" or "kde" |
| 16:52.44 | xoz | cahoot: thanks |
| 16:52.48 | p_masho | stew dpkg: need an action option |
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| 16:53.03 | stew | dpkg: tell p_masho about debug sshd |
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| 16:53.58 | kantor | aha, and it's not recommended to remove such packets, no ? stew |
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| 16:54.21 | stew | kantor: its fine to remove them |
| 16:55.16 | stew | kantor: depending on which tools you use to remove them, removing a mata package may, by default, also try to remove its dependencies as well, which might or might not be what you want |
| 16:55.26 | Insolit | guys do you know what are "back-out activities"? |
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| 16:55.33 | kantor | thanks stew |
| 16:56.08 | p_masho | stew: cool that 2222 port seems to work. where is the sshd "log" cane see one ? apart from /var/log/auth.log |
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| 16:56.53 | stew | p_masho: so it works with port 2222 but not with the default port? |
| 16:57.02 | stew | p_masho: there is no log other than /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:00.07 | dembug | !paste |
| 17:00.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 17:04.48 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.ca/758847 |
| 17:04.50 | HardDisk_WP | broken disk? |
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| 17:06.44 | Darkclaw55 | 30 2 1 * * doesn't this run every month on the 1st? |
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| 17:10.08 | DeFirence | hey all |
| 17:10.23 | feldari_ | hello! i have debian etch installed on a virtual server and trying to intall postgresql-8.1. I installed it without problem with apt-get, but now I can't login to my database as user postgres. "could not connect to server" |
| 17:11.05 | DeFirence | feldari_: did u start the server? |
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| 17:11.13 | debian | hello |
| 17:11.18 | DeFirence | lo debian |
| 17:11.27 | feldari_ | /etc/init.d/postgres* start |
| 17:11.29 | feldari_ | yes |
| 17:11.35 | grilled-cheese | feldari_, make sure you have your config stuff setup properly and you can talk to (usually) /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock |
| 17:11.37 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 17:11.39 | feldari_ | but i didn't get any report |
| 17:11.47 | sepski | feldari_, might be it's only lsistening to socket and not ip |
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| 17:11.54 | feldari_ | even after starting and stopping it twenty times |
| 17:11.54 | Asmooh | where (in wich file) can i set that my deb files need to be? |
| 17:11.56 | debian | my computer lags while I have the usb wireless card plyugged in |
| 17:11.57 | grilled-cheese | err posgres |
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| 17:12.04 | DeFirence | ive never used postgresql before, so i cant really help sorry |
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| 17:12.35 | feldari_ | grilled-cheese: nope, postgresql ... mysql is up and running |
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| 17:13.22 | grilled-cheese | usually there is a .sock file somewhere in /var/run that your client connects to, sometimes that can get confused on where it really is |
| 17:13.31 | feldari_ | but I also wonder where all the config stuff is. no postgresql.conf anywhere |
| 17:13.42 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 17:13.46 | grilled-cheese | well, that would be something to find aswell |
| 17:13.52 | DeFirence | not in /etc/ ? |
| 17:13.55 | feldari_ | nope |
| 17:14.07 | feldari_ | fresh install of postgres ... and the system too |
| 17:14.12 | grilled-cheese | i suggest looking inside your init script, usually there is a variable that says where config files are |
| 17:14.25 | DeFirence | maybe you should try find a install guide for it feldari_? |
| 17:14.47 | DeFirence | feldari_: also ask in #postgresql |
| 17:14.59 | feldari_ | yep ... I tried to find one ... but no such a thing for etch and postgres 8.1 |
| 17:15.27 | feldari_ | and not for my prob at all .... they all install it via apt-get and then connect directly via psql |
| 17:15.40 | grilled-cheese | abstract feldari_ usually there isn't that large a difference between versions |
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| 17:15.57 | DeFirence | well ask in #postgresql, they should be able to help u feldari_ |
| 17:16.17 | feldari_ | yep, i do so, thanks anyway |
| 17:16.21 | suppaman | hi |
| 17:16.27 | DeFirence | np |
| 17:16.30 | DeFirence | hi suppaman |
| 17:16.45 | grilled-cheese | i would start by trying to understand your init scrips for posgresql feldari_ |
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| 17:18.02 | sepski | feldari_, sockets are in /var/run/postgresql , the config is in /etc/postgresql/8.1/main/ |
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| 17:18.43 | abrotman | feldari_: can't connect how? |
| 17:18.52 | abrotman | nm .. i see |
| 17:19.12 | DeFirence | lo abrotman :) |
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| 17:21.59 | gruetze | hello, a friend gave me linux debian on a disc... do i need a crack or a serial to get it work? i don't have something like that |
| 17:22.05 | abrotman | no |
| 17:22.18 | gruetze | ok |
| 17:22.22 | gruetze | thank you!!! |
| 17:22.22 | snaqo_ | no, it is free. no cracks required |
| 17:22.45 | gruetze | lol? free? |
| 17:22.48 | loopde | nice |
| 17:22.52 | loopde | frre is good |
| 17:22.55 | gruetze | why would anyone sell something for free |
| 17:23.01 | loopde | he sold it to you ? |
| 17:23.04 | gruetze | that would be stubid |
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| 17:23.06 | cahoot | troll? |
| 17:23.09 | DeFirence | he ripped u |
| 17:23.12 | DeFirence | its free |
| 17:23.12 | loopde | in half |
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| 17:23.21 | loopde | how much did you pay |
| 17:23.22 | gruetze | ok |
| 17:23.28 | gruetze | 20 euros |
| 17:23.32 | DeFirence | roflmao |
| 17:23.36 | loopde | i guess selling frree stuff could be good money... |
| 17:23.44 | DeFirence | go and /wrists |
| 17:23.47 | abrotman | talk to redhat |
| 17:23.48 | mythomaniac | there are lots of people that sell free things, or even open source progs |
| 17:24.04 | loopde | hmmmm |
| 17:24.05 | DeFirence | !free |
| 17:24.06 | dpkg | well, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 17:24.07 | gruetze | thats kinda smart |
| 17:24.14 | loopde | lol |
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| 17:24.23 | abrotman | !lol |
| 17:24.24 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:24.27 | loopde | well sex is free, maybe ill try and seel that... |
| 17:24.28 | loopde | lol |
| 17:24.36 | DeFirence | bwahahahahahaha |
| 17:24.37 | DeFirence | :P |
| 17:24.50 | SamuraiDio | theres people that do it already |
| 17:24.57 | mythomaniac | lol |
| 17:24.58 | DeFirence | !:P |
| 17:24.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, :p is it implies the last thing i said was a dumb joke, but directly represents me sticking out my tongue |
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| 17:25.58 | mythomaniac | !^^ |
| 17:25.59 | dpkg | /kick gil |
| 17:26.16 | abrotman | play with the bot in /msg |
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| 17:27.50 | DeFirence | abrotman: i scripted my mirc to say anything that includes my nick using AT&T text to speech engine :D |
| 17:28.12 | SamuraiDio | friends, i was trying earlier to make some way to all user on a machine be able to restart the network. i make a sudoers like this: http://pastebin.com/d3403d398 , but when running /etc/init.d/network restart, as an user, i got this message: "failed to open temporary statefile /etc/network/run/.ifstate.tmp: Permission denied" |
| 17:28.14 | abrotman | DeFirence: you must be the last mirc user |
| 17:28.26 | DeFirence | haha |
| 17:28.31 | DeFirence | on windows ya :/ |
| 17:28.39 | abrotman | that explains a lot |
| 17:28.58 | DeFirence | some things i use need windows |
| 17:29.08 | DeFirence | so i cant move over completely to nix |
| 17:29.23 | cahoot | like irc? |
| 17:29.30 | DeFirence | no |
| 17:29.39 | DeFirence | like Visual Studio :( |
| 17:29.48 | DeFirence | (not by choice btw) |
| 17:30.04 | SamuraiDio | everything need windows, this is why whe make hole on our house walls :D |
| 17:30.09 | abrotman | there are free .NET development GUIs |
| 17:30.12 | SamuraiDio | holes* |
| 17:30.36 | DeFirence | abrotman: there are? |
| 17:30.40 | SamuraiDio | this is why is made X too |
| 17:30.44 | DeFirence | ill check that out |
| 17:30.53 | SamuraiDio | !mono |
| 17:30.53 | dpkg | hmm... mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 17:30.55 | abrotman | i mean ones that run on linux |
| 17:31.04 | abrotman | !info monodevelop etch |
| 17:31.09 | DeFirence | ya |
| 17:31.10 | SamuraiDio | !tell DeFirence about Mono |
| 17:31.12 | abrotman | !info monodevelop sid |
| 17:31.14 | abrotman | damn it |
| 17:31.16 | dpkg | monodevelop: (C#/Boo/Java/Nemerle/ILasm/ASP.NET Development Environment), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.14+dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2275 kB, Installed size: 7284 kB |
| 17:31.17 | DeFirence | ok, ill check it out |
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| 17:31.52 | DeFirence | but is it as good as visual studio for .net dev? |
| 17:32.02 | abrotman | NFC .. i don't use either |
| 17:32.16 | DeFirence | ok |
| 17:32.22 | SamuraiDio | DeFirence, you need to have it a try |
| 17:32.37 | DeFirence | i will :) |
| 17:33.07 | SamuraiDio | that would not be a problem, since you dont need to pay hundreds dollars, or has only 30 days for it |
| 17:33.19 | SamuraiDio | had* |
| 17:33.42 | SamuraiDio | any help with my sudoers? |
| 17:33.54 | DeFirence | the company im developing for payed for Visual studio |
| 17:34.02 | Spida | abrotman: whats the easiest way to get misdn on etch? |
| 17:34.12 | abrotman | Spida: the reference? |
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| 17:34.35 | abrotman | Spida: $BROWSER http://msdn.microsoft.net/ :) |
| 17:34.57 | abrotman | erm .. .com |
| 17:35.14 | Spida | abrotman: misdn, not msdn |
| 17:35.24 | abrotman | wtf is misdn ? |
| 17:35.37 | abrotman | !misdn |
| 17:35.40 | SamuraiDio | !wtf |
| 17:35.41 | abrotman | okay then |
| 17:35.41 | Spida | abrotman: modular isdn driver for linux |
| 17:35.51 | Supaplex | !wtf misdn |
| 17:35.52 | abrotman | oh .. no idea ... it's not in debian ? |
| 17:35.53 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what misdn means... |
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| 17:36.39 | Spida | abrotman: misdn is not in etch, when I add testing and pin everything except misdn-sources to etch, module-assistant fails, telling me to add sonething to my sources-list, like non-free or contrib, but I have those already... |
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| 17:37.23 | SamuraiDio | Spida, check for backports |
| 17:37.23 | Spida | abrotman: there was a reference that you helped somebody with isdn stuff on http://linox.be/index.php/2006/05/24/asterisk_on_debian_with_2_hfc_isdn_cards/ ... |
| 17:37.35 | abrotman | who what i did ? |
| 17:37.51 | yang | abrotman: concerning my libxul-dev and sources.lists are visible at http://paste.debian.net/41328 |
| 17:37.55 | abrotman | who knew ... |
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| 17:38.26 | stew | yang: show us what happens when you run "aptitude install libxul-dev" |
| 17:38.28 | abrotman | yang: it's quite possible that it's currently broken |
| 17:38.56 | yang | stew: I am trying to install libxul-dev but it asks me to remove 15 packages this is what i get http://paste.debian.net/41318 |
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| 17:39.53 | abrotman | Spida: can you show us the whole error? |
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| 17:40.27 | SamuraiDio | yang, are you trying to mix Etch and Lenny? |
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| 17:40.42 | stew | yang: you have some broken packages, either run "aptitude -f install" to try to fix them, or better yet, run the aptitude frontend to sort it all out |
| 17:40.44 | yang | no |
| 17:40.59 | Spida | abrotman: module-assistant errors with "Installation of the misdn-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives." |
| 17:41.09 | yang | SamuraiDio: the etch are commented out as you can see |
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| 17:41.57 | SamuraiDio | yang, but your main installtion is base on etch or lenny? |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | Spida: show us your sources |
| 17:42.04 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:42.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 17:42.27 | Spida | http://rafb.net/p/GZJOW868.html |
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| 17:43.11 | yang | SamuraiDio: etch |
| 17:43.29 | abrotman | Spida: you don't hvae testing sources .. but that shouldn't stop it from trying |
| 17:43.31 | SamuraiDio | yang, so, you are trying to mix etch and lenny |
| 17:43.36 | stew | he has unstable sources |
| 17:43.49 | yang | SamuraiDio: no i have upgraded to lenny |
| 17:44.01 | SamuraiDio | hmm.. |
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| 17:44.09 | stew | Spida: with that sid source you will be 'upgrading' to debian unstable |
| 17:44.11 | abrotman | stew: i see that .. his driver is only in sid and experimental though |
| 17:44.16 | SamuraiDio | yang, did you run aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 17:44.25 | yang | SamuraiDio: times ago |
| 17:44.30 | stew | abrotman: i dont' think that is a good reason to upgrade his entire install |
| 17:44.36 | abrotman | stew: no .. it's not .. |
| 17:44.45 | abrotman | nor do i imagine that's what he wants to do |
| 17:45.01 | Spida | stew: with that preferences, I don't think so. |
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| 17:45.56 | dutchfish | yang, did you upgrade ti sid BEFORE etch went stable? |
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| 17:47.02 | SamuraiDio | yang, this type of problem can be, usually, solved, buy doing a # dpkg --reconfigure -a; did you tried it? |
| 17:47.05 | voltel | is there a way I can convert debian .dpatchs to regular .patchs for use in other distros that use the same source package? |
| 17:47.06 | abrotman | Spida: but you're not pinning unstable or sid .. just testing and etch |
| 17:47.58 | stew | Spida: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" |
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| 17:49.10 | yang | stew: aptitude -f install tries to remove about 50 packages ...also kde-core |
| 17:49.32 | stew | yang: i'd recommend running the aptitude frontend to fix the broken packages |
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| 17:49.50 | yang | stew: like debfoster? |
| 17:50.16 | stew | yang: run "apttiude" then search for a broken package by hitting "/~b<enter>" then hit enter on the broken pacakge, see why it is broken (which will be hilighted in red) |
| 17:50.21 | stew | yang: no, not like debfoster |
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| 17:50.47 | stew | yang: when you have them fixed, hit "g" and see what it wants to do, and "g" again if you are satisfied |
| 17:50.47 | yang | thanks |
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| 17:51.22 | stew | yang: or if you want to see why it wants to remove a certain package from the command line, you can try "aptitude why-not packagename" |
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| 17:51.44 | nocivo | hi! , i can ubuntu based in debian xD |
| 17:52.01 | stew | nocivo: huh? |
| 17:52.12 | nocivo | xD hi |
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| 17:53.21 | mike-ekim | how can i disable dhclient from auto running, because my machine is acting pretty retarded right now |
| 17:53.30 | mike-ekim | i specified static IP in the network interfaces file |
| 17:53.30 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:53.45 | mike-ekim | and it still renews itself with dhcp and changes its IP on me, this is pretty frustrating, can someone give me an idea? |
| 17:53.56 | stew | mike-ekim: pkill dhclient |
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| 17:54.40 | mike-ekim | cool, thanks man |
| 17:54.56 | Spida | stew: will do that later, soekris ran out of mem now, have to got |
| 17:55.08 | Spida | abrotman, stew: thx for your help so far |
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| 17:55.41 | nocivo | interfaces |
| 17:56.13 | nocivo | sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces <- configure... |
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| 17:56.36 | denisbr | hello all |
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| 17:57.55 | astronaute | hello guys |
| 17:58.09 | astronaute | can someone give me some simple tutorial for bind config on etch |
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| 17:58.22 | denisbr | Anybody know any software for school management ? |
| 17:58.27 | astronaute | and btw how to know bind version please ? |
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| 17:59.35 | wols_ | astronaute: bind is never easy. dpkg -l bind9 |
| 17:59.36 | ks | how do I know i hostname setup properly ? |
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| 17:59.47 | wols_ | !hostname |
| 17:59.47 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 18:00.01 | ks | i have this error |
| 18:00.03 | astronaute | bind 8.4.7-1 |
| 18:00.03 | ks | 2007-11-02 17:53:43,825 INFO [org.jboss.web.WebService] Using RMI server codebase: http://0.0.0.0:8083/ |
| 18:00.09 | astronaute | so i should install bind9 ? |
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| 18:00.22 | wols_ | astronaute: what debian version do you run? |
| 18:00.28 | astronaute | etch 4 |
| 18:00.55 | ks | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.55 | ks | cat: /etc/hosts: No such file or directory |
| 18:01.35 | astronaute | wols_ i just need to configure one domain and 2 sub domains of it, it is really hard to do ? |
| 18:01.49 | ks | can someone share /etc/hosts file |
| 18:01.54 | wols_ | astronaute: yes. when you don't have a clue, don't run your own DNS |
| 18:01.58 | ks | i have one for fc6 |
| 18:02.13 | wols_ | ks: why didn't your debian installer create one? |
| 18:02.13 | ks | but not sure if it fits for debian |
| 18:02.29 | astronaute | wols_ thats why Im asking for a tutorial on so i can see if it is really hard, i am not total newb |
| 18:02.50 | ks | wols_ that's all i have setup |
| 18:02.51 | ks | cat /etc/hostname |
| 18:02.51 | ks | etch |
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| 18:03.51 | dutchfish | astronaute, buy i real good book about nind 9, study, setup a bind in a save lan, and then maybe then go for it |
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| 18:04.19 | nocivo | hi |
| 18:04.56 | astronaute | dutchfish there is no exemples on the net ? |
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| 18:05.43 | dutchfish | astronaute, sure there in fact plenty, but a book will get into the inners of bind and setup in a secure fasion, its really not that easy |
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| 18:06.21 | j0e | astronaute: just go to the BInd main site http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/ . There's lot of example. |
| 18:06.25 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 18:07.15 | dutchfish | astronaute, setup is one thing, but support and control it over along time, another, you need a firm understanding of dns-ing |
| 18:07.24 | astronaute | dutchfish i get it but i just need to configure it for one domain |
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| 18:07.44 | astronaute | then my apache will do the rest i know how to handle it in apache |
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| 18:09.21 | ks | also |
| 18:09.22 | ks | hostname -i |
| 18:09.22 | ks | hostname: Unknown host |
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| 18:09.53 | ks | i've create /etc/hosts file and added 127.0.0.1 localhost there |
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| 18:11.05 | stew | ks: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 18:11.45 | stew | ks: you'll also want a 127.0.1.1 entry in /etc/hosts for your hostname |
| 18:11.47 | ks | ok thanks |
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| 18:12.36 | ribnitz | stew: 127.0.0.1; Ips are either 4 or 6 numbers. |
| 18:13.11 | biz | i've just intlalled the last java jdk from sun using make-jpkg.. it works fineo but i can't find the mozilla plugin, where is it located? |
| 18:13.42 | stew | ribnitz: yes, and 127.0.1.1 is 4 numbers |
| 18:14.08 | ribnitz | stew: I can't count then, sorry. |
| 18:14.10 | prans | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:14.26 | prans | sry |
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| 18:18.44 | xand | quiet in here today |
| 18:19.11 | OlaX | werd |
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| 18:28.20 | suppaman | bye |
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| 18:29.03 | nvz | IDK but I swear the fonts in MS Office Word 2007 H&S addition on my laptop vary across a document even if I don't actually change the font |
| 18:29.14 | nvz | letters look vastly different from one place to the next :P |
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| 18:30.35 | SamuraiDio | !bash |
| 18:30.35 | dpkg | hmm... bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 18:30.47 | SamuraiDio | !bash reference |
| 18:30.53 | SamuraiDio | aff |
| 18:30.56 | noesc | !xorg |
| 18:30.56 | dpkg | methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
| 18:31.30 | SamuraiDio | !bash if |
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| 18:31.51 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: google "bash programming howto" |
| 18:32.04 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: or ask #bash |
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| 18:32.46 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:38.12 | waseem57 | hey anyone knows if it's possible to navigate in a page rendered by firefox as we just like in vim i.e. (h, j, k, l). |
| 18:38.37 | abrotman | waseem57: you mean like using the arrow keys on your keyboard? |
| 18:38.54 | Supaplex | hehe heee |
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| 18:39.22 | waseem57 | the keyboard using h, j, k, l. |
| 18:39.43 | waseem57 | abrotman:the keyboard using h, j, k, l. |
| 18:39.56 | waseem57 | abrotman:not the arrow keys. |
| 18:40.05 | abrotman | but you can use the arrow keys .. |
| 18:40.10 | abrotman | maybe ask on irc.mozilla.org |
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| 18:41.59 | OlaX | waseem57: there's an extension for that: http://www.calmar.ws/firefox/ |
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| 18:46.05 | limpio | hi, i installed ghostscript, is that enough? i can't open it :( |
| 18:47.04 | limpio | sorry, i'm trying to open a .gs file with ghostscript, how do i do it? |
| 18:47.49 | abrotman | you need a gs viewer |
| 18:48.40 | abrotman | limpio: maybe try gb |
| 18:48.42 | abrotman | erm .. gv |
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| 18:49.13 | limpio | what do i have to install gv? what's the name of the gs viewer? |
| 18:49.21 | xand | !search |
| 18:49.22 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | the package is called 'gv' |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | IIRC .. the gs* packages don't actually have a program to view files |
| 18:49.56 | abrotman | could be wrong though |
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| 18:50.44 | Kevin`_ | my cdrom drive doesn't seem to be detected, can anyone help? |
| 18:50.57 | Asmooh | in the installer? |
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| 18:51.00 | stew | Kevin`_: how is it connected? via what interface? |
| 18:51.01 | Kevin`_ | while running |
| 18:51.08 | Kevin`_ | stew I think it's ide. laptop |
| 18:51.13 | Asmooh | hdb1 ? |
| 18:51.14 | stew | Kevin`_: try "modprobe ide-cd" |
| 18:51.26 | abrotman | limpio: did that work ? |
| 18:51.27 | LEGIONroot | hey.. im new to debain, used ubuntu/gentoo before .. i pull down the "lenny" version on dvd.. booted the installer... first it complained about not finding kernel modules and finally it refused to ext3 on my IDE2 master /HDC2 .. also it didnt detect ANY network card i have on my mobo.. which is very bizarre im used to great hardware support from any linux distro..... anyone got any ideas? is the rls i pulled down too buggy ? |
| 18:51.40 | stew | Kevin`_: then check "readlink -f /dev/cdrom" and dmesg |
| 18:51.50 | Kevin`_ | stew loaded, no new messages or /dev/cdrom |
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| 18:52.11 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: lenny is testing .. that installer is a work in progress and might not work correctly on any given day |
| 18:52.16 | LEGIONroot | "the attempt to mount a file system with the type ext3 in IDE2 master, partition #2 (hdc2) have failed" ??????? "no kernel module found" ????? |
| 18:52.22 | LEGIONroot | i have windows on #1 |
| 18:52.34 | limpio | i got it, thanks a lot |
| 18:52.48 | LEGIONroot | abrotman so youre saying the lack of basic hardware support and bizzare bugs are due to lenny being a new version? sorry for being a newb |
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| 18:53.01 | LEGIONroot | what version do you recomend i should try? |
| 18:53.03 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: it hasn't been released yet |
| 18:53.08 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: what kind of hardware is it? |
| 18:53.27 | Kevin`_ | stew ? |
| 18:53.41 | LEGIONroot | abrotman the NIC cards it didnt recognize were: 2 external (pci) via and 1 internal via onboard LAN on my asus mobo |
| 18:53.41 | limpio | abrotman: it worked, thx |
| 18:53.50 | stew | Kevin`_: can you show us the output of "lspci ; lspci -n "; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:54.06 | Asmooh | LEGIONroot, do you have nforce? |
| 18:54.16 | LEGIONroot | abrotman also.. after i rebooted, i had to completly wipe my hdd of evrything windows/linux because it complained about a system error |
| 18:54.16 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: did you try the etch installer? |
| 18:54.28 | LEGIONroot | Asmooh nope no nforce |
| 18:54.30 | Asmooh | hm |
| 18:54.42 | LEGIONroot | abrotman whats that? i just booted the dvd and pressed enter after kernel |
| 18:54.49 | Kevin`_ | stew http://kwzs.be/~kevin/blah.txt |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | !d-i LEGIONroot |
| 18:54.53 | dpkg | LEGIONroot, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:55.07 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: is your hardware newer or older? |
| 18:55.17 | stew | Kevin`_: wow, that's it? |
| 18:55.32 | Kevin`_ | yeah |
| 18:55.39 | stew | Kevin`_: is this laptop oldish or newis? |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | Kevin`_: that's a really old machine |
| 18:55.43 | LEGIONroot | abrotman mobo is from 2003 along with my AMD CPU the rest is from 2006-07 |
| 18:55.44 | Kevin`_ | old |
| 18:55.46 | Asmooh | Kevin`_, doe eens "mount" krijg je dan wel je cdrom? |
| 18:55.49 | abrotman | yay CHIPS! |
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| 18:55.54 | abrotman | Asmooh: english |
| 18:55.55 | aisStar | Hello everybody |
| 18:56.00 | Asmooh | sorry |
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| 18:56.35 | Kevin`_ | hard drive works of course and is hda |
| 18:56.38 | stew | this is going to be one of those "legacy cdrom" things that I alwyas used to say no to in the kernel config |
| 18:56.50 | abrotman | or it's an ISA cd controller |
| 18:56.56 | LEGIONroot | abrotman im gonna try 4.0r1 (etch), hope it wont give me kernel module errors and refusing to mount ext3 :O |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: hopefully not |
| 18:57.05 | Kevin`_ | I think it worked for the installer, too |
| 18:57.05 | stew | yeah, it must be isa, since there is on ide in lspci |
| 18:57.14 | LEGIONroot | abrotman a question |
| 18:57.18 | abrotman | an answer! |
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| 18:57.55 | gruetze | is there knoppix for windows? i only read linux there!!! ::((( |
| 18:58.06 | Asmooh | .. |
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| 18:58.16 | Kevin`_ | gruetze didn't you ask that before and get a reasonable answer? |
| 18:58.23 | stew | Kevin`_: you might try searching one of the urls in "/msg dpkg laptops" and see if you can find someone with the same laptop |
| 18:58.40 | LEGIONroot | abrotman my windows ntfs is on the first primary boot, i created a new partition (primary) as hdc1 and a swap as hdc2, ext3 and ext2, it refused to format the ext3 .. "the attempt to mount the ext3 system on this partition" have failed, you have any ideas? also is debian known to support hardware like ubuntu/gentoo? |
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| 18:58.51 | stew | gruetze: please go to #knoppix to ask about knoppix |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: is your machine very new? |
| 18:59.17 | LEGIONroot | abrotman gentoo gave me 100% hardware support upon boot , 80% with ubuntu |
| 18:59.35 | LEGIONroot | abrotman no my mobo/cpu is from 2003 or 04, the rest is 06-07 |
| 18:59.40 | Kevin`_ | gruetze I see two options here: 1, you are a troll, 2, you are VERY clueless about linux and didn't read what was said before in the other channel |
| 18:59.43 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: the etch installer should work much better |
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| 18:59.55 | Gioacchino | hey |
| 18:59.57 | Gioacchino | all |
| 18:59.58 | abrotman | or he's from versanet ... |
| 19:00.10 | stew | Kevin`_: please just use /ignore |
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| 19:00.18 | LEGIONroot | abrotman thanks dude for your help, so i should just boot like normal and follow the instructions? btw do you have a guide for etch - dual boot windows? |
| 19:00.34 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: the etch installer should see windows and add it to your grub boot menu |
| 19:01.01 | LEGIONroot | abrotman wow that sounds very nice.. on gentoo i had to do tons of tweaking jus to detect the ntfs partition |
| 19:01.01 | gruetze | why don't you like ppl from versanet abrotman? |
| 19:01.08 | aisStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.14 | LEGIONroot | abrotman thanks again :) |
| 19:01.14 | Gioacchino | I need to download some .deb pachet with their dependence |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: if that fails .. google "dual boot debian windows grub" |
| 19:01.27 | Gioacchino | because I have a computer without internet |
| 19:01.27 | Kevin`_ | i'm gonna try rebooting (!) this computer and see if it works, I remember it working before |
| 19:01.27 | LEGIONroot | abrotman ok i will! |
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| 19:01.33 | abrotman | and you should get a hit or three that describes how to do it |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | Kevin`_: you might need to use the sarge installer to get that working |
| 19:01.56 | Laser | hi everybody |
| 19:02.00 | Kevin`_ | abrotman it has etch on it. I got it on here somehow.. :) |
| 19:02.01 | abrotman | Kevin`_: that's a 486 laptop isn't it ? |
| 19:02.02 | Gioacchino | exist somne program that make this? i don't need all repository I need only some packets |
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| 19:02.08 | Kevin`_ | abrotman pentium mmx |
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| 19:02.19 | abrotman | must be one of the early ones |
| 19:02.20 | Asmooh | ooh |
| 19:02.22 | LEGIONroot | abrotman sorry .. but is this the one debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso I want? theres tons of various .cds from 1-20 |
| 19:02.31 | abrotman | LEGIONroot: i'd use the netinst if i were you |
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| 19:02.57 | Kevin`_ | this is the highend of old crappy laptops I think |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso .. assuming it's i386 |
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| 19:03.04 | stew | Kevin`_: if the installer works, you might launch the installer, and see what is in "lsmod" to see what kernel module the installer used to talk to the cdrom |
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| 19:03.12 | LEGIONroot | abrotman you mean this one: debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 19:03.15 | abrotman | yep |
| 19:03.16 | LEGIONroot | abrotman yes thats correct |
| 19:03.26 | LEGIONroot | abrotman but if i cant use the net one.. which iso do you recomend i should use? |
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| 19:03.35 | abrotman | CD1 |
| 19:03.38 | Kevin`_ | stew I suppose I can do that. hmm, I remember this working for playing audio cds in the past, too |
| 19:03.41 | stew | LEGIONroot: do you know what network card you would be using? |
| 19:03.43 | abrotman | but the netinst is pretty easy to use |
| 19:03.45 | LEGIONroot | abrotman ah great, thanks again dude |
| 19:03.46 | Kevin`_ | wonder why it doesn't show up :/ |
| 19:03.59 | LEGIONroot | stew yes my 2nd external one or the one debian detects i have 3 |
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| 19:04.15 | abrotman | i'd hope it can find one of those |
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| 19:04.32 | stew | LEGIONroot: if you have at least one network card supported by the debian kernel and therefore can get on the internet then you can use a netinst |
| 19:04.33 | reiser2 | hi |
| 19:04.43 | reiser2 | is tehre any gui to sFTP ? |
| 19:04.45 | stew | Kevin`_: does /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd exist? |
| 19:04.51 | LEGIONroot | stew where can i read a guide on how to use netinstall? |
| 19:04.52 | abrotman | reiser2: gftp maybe |
| 19:04.55 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:04.55 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 19:05.01 | vrv | Hello :) sorry for stupid questions, but is it possible somehow to add parallel port into /dev/ ?, because as i see parport_pc module are loaded, but i have no at least something similar to parallel port |
| 19:05.02 | Kevin`_ | stew no |
| 19:05.05 | Ronin | reiser2: what abrotman said but why? its not really necessary |
| 19:05.09 | reiser2 | onother one, gFTP hang some times |
| 19:05.16 | abrotman | filezilla .. maybe |
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| 19:05.27 | reiser2 | ?? |
| 19:05.28 | Kevin`_ | vrv modprobe lp |
| 19:05.39 | Kevin`_ | (if that's the kind of access you want) |
| 19:06.00 | Asmooh | i wonder; why my load sometimes is going to 3.xx when i use my usb ? |
| 19:06.02 | Eulex | there ought to be some kde application (beginning with K) too that does sftp too |
| 19:06.05 | Ronin | does putty have a linux front end to sftp ? |
| 19:06.13 | Kevin`_ | vrv otherwise ppdev |
| 19:06.14 | Ronin | more of a question for reiser2 |
| 19:06.25 | abrotman | Eulex: there is ..b ut it's known to be buggy |
| 19:06.31 | abrotman | krusader or some thing liket hat |
| 19:06.50 | vrv | Thank you, Kevin'_. now i see lp0 device, it's good. Yes, thank ppdev it's what i'm need :) Thank you very much :) |
| 19:06.57 | Kevin`_ | Ronin there are linux versions of the putty programs, but why would you need them? you have openssh utils already |
| 19:06.58 | dutchfish | is it possible, or are there any tools to construct a debian-mirror(binary only) out of a set of 3 dvd made with jigdo? |
| 19:07.01 | zicho | If my sound isnt working, how can i troubleshoot? I have no idea what might be wrong. |
| 19:07.03 | stew | !ig =~ s#4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007#4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007# |
| 19:07.04 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:07.08 | Ronin | Kevin`_: i dont but reiser2 is looking for one |
| 19:07.14 | tarzeau | does httpfs work for anyone? i keep getting: ./httpfs: HEAD-Reply didn't contain Content-Length |
| 19:07.30 | Kevin`_ | Ronin are you sure? reiser2 is a filesystem, it wouldn't be using programs like putty.. |
| 19:07.31 | reiser2 | ok |
| 19:07.32 | gruetze | ich kau gerne die fußnaegel meines partners ab |
| 19:07.34 | abrotman | dutchfish: you could dump all the packages i suppose .. /msg dpkg repository |
| 19:07.35 | reiser2 | using ssh in console |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | gruetze: english |
| 19:07.47 | dutchfish | abrotman, thank you |
| 19:07.52 | gruetze | abrotman, thank you |
| 19:07.54 | wAndyw78 | abrotman: this was only bullshit |
| 19:07.58 | stew | dpkg: tell gruetze about de |
| 19:07.59 | abrotman | whowhat? |
| 19:08.12 | wAndyw78 | abrotman: what gruetze said |
| 19:08.15 | abrotman | wAndyw78: i'm sure it was .. doen't really matter |
| 19:08.16 | stew | gruetze: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:08.21 | reiser2 | ready |
| 19:08.23 | Ronin | reiser2: apparently konqueror and nautails do it |
| 19:08.33 | gruetze | i thought that would be debian related somehow |
| 19:08.35 | Ronin | Kevin`_: look in the channel :) |
| 19:08.36 | reiser2 | jejeje Kevin'_ |
| 19:08.39 | reiser2 | nice joke |
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| 19:08.58 | Asmooh | hm |
| 19:09.03 | stew | gruetze: if you have a debian related question, please just ask it, in english. |
| 19:09.06 | vin` | !karma abrotman |
| 19:09.07 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 35 |
| 19:09.19 | Asmooh | im using USB: sysemload is going between 2.00- - 3.00 |
| 19:09.26 | vin` | abrotman: pretty popular eh? |
| 19:09.37 | abrotman | vin`: i can't karma myself .. dunno how it got like that |
| 19:09.44 | reiser2 | how can i get all dir content from server ? |
| 19:09.59 | Asmooh | ls ? |
| 19:10.15 | reiser2 | sorry, copy all dir content |
| 19:10.18 | abrotman | wget |
| 19:10.21 | Asmooh | cp -Rf |
| 19:10.21 | Asmooh | ? |
| 19:10.30 | dutchfish | abrotman, no info on create out of dvd-image, so you suggest to dump it to the pool and resync? |
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| 19:10.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: i've never tried .. but i don't see why it shouldn't work |
| 19:10.47 | tarzeau | reiser2: lftp place/ then run mirror |
| 19:10.54 | vin` | abrotman: I don't remember ever adding to it, so... |
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| 19:11.04 | abrotman | vin`: there are almost 800 other people here! :) |
| 19:11.10 | vin` | !abrotman++ |
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| 19:11.20 | tarzeau | vin`: i think it got turned off long time ago |
| 19:11.29 | abrotman | no .. it's back on |
| 19:11.41 | tarzeau | !karma tarzeau |
| 19:11.42 | dpkg | tarzeau has karma of 7 |
| 19:11.43 | dutchfish | abrotman, of coarse i need some way to coop with date and time of the files, but thats possible with mount -o loop the dvd-image and resync it to the repos pool? |
| 19:11.46 | vin` | tarzeau: bubbles? I'm drunk though :| |
| 19:11.58 | tarzeau | vin`: sure, i run servers, you choose which, be in #bub-n-bros |
| 19:12.18 | tarzeau | vin`: i got webcams! |
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| 19:12.31 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx again |
| 19:12.32 | vin` | tarzeau: stream an lsd trip |
| 19:12.38 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.40 | abrotman | dutchfish: like i said .. i've never done it .. i'd think you have to dump the contents to a single directory and then merge them and then create the repo |
| 19:12.48 | tarzeau | vin`: send me the lsd |
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| 19:12.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, thx |
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| 19:13.07 | tarzeau | vin`: just join any krum server http://codespeak.net:8050/ |
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| 19:13.14 | Laser | if i disable kde would it run with kde? |
| 19:13.17 | stew | Asmooh: when dpkg ran /var/lib/dpkg/info/$packagename.postinst the script failed |
| 19:13.25 | vin` | tarzeau: for bubbles? |
| 19:13.32 | Asmooh | stew, and why it did fail? :P |
| 19:13.32 | tarzeau | vin`: yes |
| 19:13.39 | vin` | stew: have you tried metroid on wii? |
| 19:13.48 | stew | vin`: i've watched a bit |
| 19:14.07 | stew | vin`: but the guy playing was very anal about getting info on every single item in the game which made it boring to watch |
| 19:14.09 | vin` | stew: it's fun, you should. |
| 19:14.17 | Asmooh | stew, im trying to install xorg but it fail |
| 19:14.20 | Asmooh | and i dont like that ;) |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | Asmooh: show us all the output |
| 19:14.47 | Asmooh | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 19:14.47 | Asmooh | dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg (--configure): |
| 19:14.48 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 19:14.49 | vin` | stew: you don't have to |
| 19:15.04 | stew | wow, smart bot |
| 19:16.16 | abrotman | sounds like he needs to reconfigure some locales ? |
| 19:16.24 | Asmooh | yesa |
| 19:16.28 | Asmooh | but why ;/ |
| 19:16.31 | reiser2 | to copy a file from my local computer to remote server ? |
| 19:16.35 | reiser2 | with ssh |
| 19:17.03 | vin` | stew: there was a nasty reply for x error from dpkg, forgot which one |
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| 19:17.37 | vin` | well, wasn't nasty, moot point, we don't care |
| 19:17.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, found this http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync ..., i can alter it to my needs, i just have to point it to my mounted dvd instead of a real mirror eh voila ... |
| 19:18.27 | Asmooh | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.skynet.be/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 19:18.33 | Asmooh | maybe thats why? |
| 19:18.39 | stew | nope |
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| 19:18.57 | abrotman | dutchfish: hey .. as long as it works :) |
| 19:19.11 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes :) |
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| 19:20.40 | yang | i am still having issues installing libxul-dev http://paste.debian.net/41341 |
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| 19:23.05 | reiser2 | abrotman: to copy all files in one directory from my local computer to remote server with ssh ? |
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| 19:23.47 | Eulex | It appears that my laptop locks up when I attempt to compile Xfce from svn, a few minutes into the compilation. It just instantly hard-locks. A month ago or so I had a problem that this laptop always hard-locked a few minutes into playing SID songs. Anyone got any idea what could be wrong with it? :/ |
| 19:24.16 | vin` | Eulex: how's the temp? |
| 19:24.30 | dutchfish | reiser2, scp -r option (man) |
| 19:24.43 | reiser2 | ok |
| 19:24.51 | Eulex | vin`, at least for the cpu, it's fine. I do not have any sensor on the hdd, though. |
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| 19:25.14 | abrotman | reiser2: scp is one way |
| 19:25.16 | vin` | Eulex: cpu is what usually matters |
| 19:25.19 | reiser2 | have you seen mFrisch? |
| 19:25.22 | Eulex | "Thermal 1: ok, 37.0 degrees C" |
| 19:25.26 | reiser2 | scp is faster? |
| 19:25.48 | dutchfish | reiser2, no |
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| 19:26.05 | dkr | encrypting things generalyl slows you down a little |
| 19:26.07 | vin` | Eulex: that's fine then *shrug* |
| 19:26.16 | dutchfish | reiser2, sftp, rsync and others you should look at |
| 19:26.16 | jelly | Eulex: can you attach a serial console and perhaps get a nice oops? |
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| 19:26.26 | EmleyMoor | I am moving my hard disk from /dev/hda to /dev/hde. What do I have to do to get grub to recognise and accept /dev/hde1 as the root filesystem instead of /dev/hda1? |
| 19:26.39 | Eulex | but right, might have changed since after I was compiling. but I've run plenty of cpu-using stuff without it locking up. and I'm not even running at the top frequency it can. |
| 19:27.07 | Eulex | jelly, perhaps, how would I do that? can it be done through ethernet or do I need to get a serial cable? |
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| 19:27.19 | reiser2 | but how i tell the ssh the source file is in my computer ? |
| 19:27.27 | jelly | Eulex: serial cable and some nice boot params |
| 19:27.35 | dkr | EmleyMoor: you could just mess with /boot/grub/device.map |
| 19:27.42 | EmleyMoor | I've changed it in /boot/menu.lst, done both update-grub and grub-install |
| 19:27.44 | reiser2 | scp ????? remotehost.com ? |
| 19:27.47 | vin` | EmleyMoor: or grub-install /dev/hde |
| 19:27.54 | dkr | EmleyMoor: there is probably a saner way, ah, there you go |
| 19:27.56 | jeboz | hi, im a newbie and im trying to install debien etch with network install, but i only get a black screen when after i boot |
| 19:27.59 | EmleyMoor | OK, how do I do such "just messing"? |
| 19:27.59 | dutchfish | !scp |
| 19:27.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 19:28.16 | Eulex | jelly, ok. I've got an external modem lying around somewhere, that one might have a serial cable... *searching* |
| 19:28.30 | EmleyMoor | vin`: But how do I install it so when the drive is still /dev/hda? (or can I do it with the etch dvd?) |
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| 19:29.12 | Asmooh | whats the default lang ? |
| 19:29.16 | Asmooh | en_US ? |
| 19:29.26 | vin` | EmleyMoor: you shouldn't do what I said then, fiddle with device.map, haven't tried, dunno. |
| 19:29.27 | jelly | Eulex: uh. you'll need a null-modem cable and a second machine, and computer <-> modem cable is probably straight, not nul-modem |
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| 19:29.58 | EmleyMoor | I would revert but it still leaves me with an unreliable DVD drive if I do... |
| 19:30.07 | jelly | Eulex: if you got a cisco console cable (roll-over, blue ones), they seem to work too |
| 19:31.03 | lgc | !paste |
| 19:31.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:31.29 | Eulex | jelly, cisco console cable? |
| 19:31.33 | EmleyMoor | I am going to have to find a way myself by the sound of it... |
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| 19:31.54 | EmleyMoor | Is there any way I could boot my system from the drive in its new place with the DVD's help? |
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| 19:32.42 | jelly | Eulex: eh, you'd know what it was if you messed with their equipment. nevermind |
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| 19:33.25 | reiser2 | damm |
| 19:33.33 | reiser2 | i am loged with SSH |
| 19:33.42 | Eulex | jelly, gotta buy myself a null-modem cable then. feels so 20th-century, though :)§ |
| 19:33.49 | reiser2 | i need to copy a lot of files in the remote server |
| 19:33.52 | reiser2 | how can i do it |
| 19:34.11 | reiser2 | i can see the content of remote server |
| 19:34.15 | keith4 | scp |
| 19:34.17 | vin` | reiser2: scp |
| 19:34.45 | dutchfish | reiser2, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/209 |
| 19:35.50 | jelly | Eulex: I don't even have a serial port on my laptop, trying to get an oops out of it sucks |
| 19:35.50 | jelly | Eulex: how consistent is the lockup, does it always happen in exact same place, btw? |
| 19:36.03 | Eulex | reiser2, from what to what? |
| 19:36.03 | Eulex | you can use ssh to copy files to a remove computer. but it's not very comfortable. I'd recommend scp or sftp. |
| 19:36.09 | Tramp | reiser2: What exactly is your problem with using scp? |
| 19:36.29 | reiser2 | well |
| 19:36.49 | minerale | what does this mean: -rw-r--r--@ -> when ls -al (or rather the @) |
| 19:36.57 | jelly | Eulex: maybe you could get away by randomly blaming memory, pulling the sodimms out and cleaning the contacts (with an eraser :-) |
| 19:37.06 | reiser2 | Tramp: i am logged in a remote server, now i need to copy files from my local computer to that server |
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| 19:37.48 | Eulex | jelly, I don't know. the times it has happened when compiling I have not even been looking at the compilation output. but it has happened a random number of minutes into the compilation. as it happened a random number of minutes into playing a SID file. |
| 19:37.49 | Hammar | which non-console audio players are recommendable? |
| 19:37.49 | jelly | reiser2: so run scp on your local machine. |
| 19:38.02 | keith4 | reisener: go find a graphical sftp client, because you're probably not going to be able to figure out scp |
| 19:38.16 | Tramp | reiser2: scp foo@other:/foo/bar/* . - for example. Then you are asked for the passwd on "other" |
| 19:38.18 | keith4 | damn tab-complete |
| 19:38.46 | Eulex | jelly, yeah, I've been thinking about the memory perhaps being the problem, but I'm confused about this only affecting such specific cases, and then also being 'reproducible' for those cases. |
| 19:38.46 | Tramp | reiser2: "other" meaning "local" in your terminology and provided that sshd is running on "local" as well |
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| 19:39.03 | jelly | Eulex: A crappy tune? :-> |
| 19:39.10 | abrotman | Hammar: kde or gnome or something else? |
| 19:39.11 | eylisian | reiser2, if you want a GUI way, Gnome has the "Connetct to Server" option under Places. |
| 19:39.46 | eylisian | reiser2: or just CLI it. IMO it's easier and really good to know. Tramp lined it out. |
| 19:39.50 | Tramp | reiser2: otherwise do as jelly said: log out of remote, then run scp on local to copy using the sshd on remote |
| 19:40.00 | Hammar | abrotman: gnome preferably |
| 19:40.09 | Eulex | jelly, *shrug*, it didn't matter what tune it was. just that it was SID music. oh, and that it was played in xmms. |
| 19:40.13 | abrotman | Hammar: quod libet is decent .. so is rhythmbox |
| 19:40.17 | jelly | Tramp: probably no need to log out though |
| 19:40.32 | karmatronic | Hammar: yeah ryhtmbox is cool |
| 19:40.36 | Tramp | jelly - yeah, of course |
| 19:40.47 | keith4 | Hammar: i use rhythmbox... some people swear by amarok reasons i don't understand |
| 19:40.55 | keith4 | amarok for reasons |
| 19:41.01 | Eulex | jelly, oh, wait, I don't have a serial port on this laptop either :/ |
| 19:41.02 | karmatronic | Hammar: if you want something really really powerful , have a look at xmms2 |
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| 19:41.23 | jelly | Eulex: hm. if your kernel is packaged, can you run debsums on the package, just for fun? |
| 19:41.48 | Tramp | jelly I was just afraid that reiser2 (and finally everybody else) would get confused with too many connections open simultanously 8) |
| 19:41.55 | Eulex | jelly, vmlinuz, you mean? and yeah, I've got a stock 22-2-686 |
| 19:42.22 | reiser2 | what i use in foo ? |
| 19:42.31 | vin` | bar |
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| 19:42.38 | jelly | Eulex: vmlinuz and friends (any of the loaded modules could be corrupt) |
| 19:42.43 | reiser2 | localhost? |
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| 19:43.05 | eylisian | reiser2: scp <options> <files to copy> username@remotehost |
| 19:43.10 | eylisian | reiser2: scp <options> <files to copy> username@remotehost:. |
| 19:43.13 | jelly | Eulex: also, can you do whatever you do to get it to hang, then change to vt1 to see if a panic message appears at all? |
| 19:43.23 | Tramp | reiser2: My example was a bit confusing. I meant "scp user@local:/some/directory/* ." |
| 19:43.28 | karmatronic | eylisian: you dont need the . actually |
| 19:43.31 | jelly | Eulex: (that is, switch to vt1 before it hangs ;-) |
| 19:43.36 | eylisian | don't forget the colon w/ path after it. the ":." is the remote users home dir. |
| 19:43.38 | petemc | eylisian: more accurately, scp <options> source destination |
| 19:43.48 | eylisian | petemc, right. |
| 19:43.51 | Eulex | jelly, is there some way to check that automatically for a package that all files inside it matches the md5sum? |
| 19:43.53 | yang | i am still having issues installing libxul-dev http://paste.debian.net/41341 it tries to remove some dependancies |
| 19:44.02 | Eulex | jelly, I could try. |
| 19:44.10 | karmatronic | yang: libxul for what ? |
| 19:44.13 | jelly | Eulex: yes. "debsums" |
| 19:44.14 | Eulex | eh, all installed files of a package |
| 19:44.15 | karmatronic | yang: ejabberd ? |
| 19:44.32 | Tramp | reiser2: Provided you run scp in your shell on "remote" and want all files from "/some/directory" on local to appear in your current working dir on remote. |
| 19:44.37 | jelly | Eulex: er, debsums packagename |
| 19:44.49 | dutchfish | to be pecise, he wants to copy a whole dir: scp -r /local/dir user@remote.tld:/remote/dir |
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| 19:45.29 | Hammar | xmms2 seems a little too powerful for my purposes :) |
| 19:46.01 | karmatronic | :) |
| 19:46.21 | jelly | and modplug and the works |
| 19:46.26 | Tramp | reiser2: The example dutchfish just gave would (recursively) copy everything under /local/dir on local - but would have to be run on local, not on remote |
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| 19:46.41 | vin` | Hammar: try amarok |
| 19:46.42 | dutchfish | Tramp, of coarse |
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| 19:47.06 | reiser2 | like this: scp -r reiser@:local/home/carl/Desktop/backup/* user1@:var/www/med ? |
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| 19:47.22 | Tramp | reiser2: No. |
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| 19:47.55 | Tramp | reiser2: leave the "user1@:" cruft in the destination-specification |
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| 19:48.22 | Tramp | reiser2: just the directory you want (probably /var/www/med) |
| 19:48.46 | Tramp | reiser2: and in the first part "reiser@local:....." |
| 19:48.49 | Eulex | jelly, fyi, the packages (linux-image package and all other packages that contain kernel modules) had no md5sum problems |
| 19:49.22 | jelly | well, that was a long shot anyway |
| 19:49.39 | Tramp | reiser2: NOT "@:". you are fscking up the seperators. The "@" seperates user from host, the ":" seperates this from the path |
| 19:50.18 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 19:50.20 | Tramp | reiser2: As the manpage would tell you, the specification is like "user@host:/path" |
| 19:50.36 | Asmooh | normaly if i do apt-get install gnome, i get gnome, but not today >( |
| 19:51.02 | yang | karmatronic: miro tv player |
| 19:51.29 | reiser2 | damm |
| 19:51.53 | jelly | Asmooh: your problem description is somewhat lacking. |
| 19:52.08 | Tramp | reiser2: Is this like "think you" in the place you come from? |
| 19:52.09 | reiser2 | scp -r reiser@local:/home/reiser/Desktop/backup/* ??? |
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| 19:52.26 | jelly | ... |
| 19:52.31 | reiser2 | he |
| 19:52.39 | dutchfish | . |
| 19:52.46 | Tramp | reiser2: You are getting close. Now for "???" the destination-path. |
| 19:53.11 | jelly | reiser2: you're complicating too much. scp -p /home/reiser/Desktop/backup/* user@remote-machine:/some/path/ |
| 19:53.13 | karmatronic | Tramp: :) |
| 19:53.16 | abrotman | isn't there a man page for scp ? :) |
| 19:53.41 | dutchfish | jelly, that would be an upload |
| 19:54.08 | jelly | well then, scp -p user@home-machine:/home/reiser/Desktop/backup/\* . |
| 19:54.14 | Tramp | abrotman: I suppose reiser2 has currently massive problems with his manpages and it is some kind of emergency..... |
| 19:54.16 | jelly | sorry, -r too. |
| 19:54.42 | dutchfish | !bashism x.x |
| 19:54.47 | karmatronic | just turned out you cant install a gnome-base package with fedora/red hat |
| 19:54.58 | reiser2 | ok |
| 19:54.59 | reiser2 | readi |
| 19:54.59 | karmatronic | how can they accept that ! |
| 19:55.06 | reiser2 | ready |
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| 19:55.12 | abrotman | Tramp: i doubt it |
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| 19:55.21 | Gioacchino | hey all |
| 19:55.38 | Tramp | abrotman: you may be right, I may be crazy .... |
| 19:55.41 | Gioacchino | I am using apt-get -d (to download only the packge) |
| 19:55.52 | Gioacchino | but where it downlaod the package ? |
| 19:55.54 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: good for you |
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| 19:55.58 | abrotman | Tramp: i don't think we're allowed to quote joel in here :) |
| 19:56.11 | Tramp | abrotman: ah, just a snippet ... |
| 19:56.15 | blume_111 | hi |
| 19:56.23 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: i guess /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 19:56.46 | jelly | abrotman: which joel? |
| 19:56.57 | Gioacchino | can i set another folder for the moment ? |
| 19:57.08 | Tramp | jelly: William Martin |
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| 19:57.32 | Tramp | jelly: usually called "Billy" for short |
| 19:57.34 | SexyKen | Hey everyone -- anyone know how come webmin is not in apt repsoitory? |
| 19:57.51 | jelly | Tramp: ! |
| 19:57.54 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 19:57.55 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
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| 19:58.17 | reiser2 | scp -r /home/reiser/Desktop/Backup/* medifarm@med.com:/var/www/med ? |
| 19:58.38 | jelly | reisener: that ought to work. |
| 19:58.45 | jelly | errr. |
| 19:58.57 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: you should check the Dir::Cache::Archives config item in apt.conf |
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| 19:59.15 | reiser2 | scp: /var/www/med/: No such file or directory |
| 19:59.24 | Gioacchino | thanks |
| 19:59.40 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: something like Dir::Cache::Archives "/home/your_user" might do the trick there |
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| 20:00.43 | Gioacchino | karmatronic: I need to install a printer but in a computer wothout internet connetion how can I know what is the package contains the driver for that printers ? |
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| 20:01.22 | reiser2 | ok |
| 20:01.28 | reiser2 | the problem was |
| 20:01.29 | Tramp | reiser2: *sigh* - the directory must exist on the other side. It is not created by scp - just like cp does not create dirs. |
| 20:01.30 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: you know the printer s name ? |
| 20:01.38 | Gioacchino | yes |
| 20:01.42 | reiser2 | path is /usr/var/www no /var/www |
| 20:01.43 | karmatronic | so ? |
| 20:01.43 | Gioacchino | epson stylus c84 |
| 20:01.47 | reiser2 | sorry guys |
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| 20:02.16 | jelly | is there a #debian-handholding ? |
| 20:02.22 | dutchfish | Tramp, only the root dir must exist, not the unlying subdirs |
| 20:02.25 | ezguy | hi, any ideas why system boot and switching to read-only mode (can't write to disk)? |
| 20:02.40 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: muy normal procedure would be to check the http://www.linuxprinting.org |
| 20:02.41 | ezguy | badblocks and smartctl doesn't show/report any problems/errors |
| 20:02.58 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: which says the recommended driver is guttenprint |
| 20:03.14 | SexyKen | Webmin isn't the only tool for allowing someone who doesn't know much manage a server, is it? I've gotta make this as easy as possible for the owner of the srever. |
| 20:03.14 | Gioacchino | thanks karmatronic |
| 20:03.17 | Tramp | dutchfish: yeah ok, well "the target dir" |
| 20:03.18 | karmatronic | which you might find here http://www.linuxprinting.org/download/printdriver/RPMS/i486/gutenprint-5.0.1-1lsb3.1.i486.rpm |
| 20:03.29 | reiser2 | Tramp, with that it will copy al dirs subdirs and files recursive? |
| 20:03.32 | dutchfish | Tramp, yes i meant the root of the target |
| 20:03.38 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: you ll have to use alien --scripts to generate a deb package |
| 20:03.49 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: from this rpm |
| 20:03.53 | Tramp | reiser2: with the "-r" - yes. |
| 20:04.11 | Gioacchino | gutenprint aren't in debian repository ? |
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| 20:04.27 | reiser2 | ok |
| 20:05.00 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: yeah there s a cupsys-driver-gutenprint package |
| 20:05.14 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: in testing , in stable i dont know |
| 20:05.25 | ezguy | iam use selinux, could this be the cause of the problem? |
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| 20:05.44 | Gioacchino | i am interensted to testing because I use debian Elive |
| 20:06.28 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: still i m not sure this package is enough, the rpm file includes a bunch of binary that look mandatory for good using of the printer |
| 20:06.45 | karmatronic | Gioacchino: at least , for good use of my printer , which is stylus DX 6000 |
| 20:06.58 | Gioacchino | ok |
| 20:06.58 | reiser2 | is slow |
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| 20:07.12 | dutchfish | abrotman, repository created and synchronized in 32 minutes ... ;) |
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| 20:11.18 | reiser2 | thanks Tramp |
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| 20:23.56 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:23.57 | dpkg | i heard qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 20:27.13 | vin` | !qotd113 |
| 20:27.13 | dpkg | somebody said qotd113 was greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 20:27.33 | vin` | TAB the damn TAB |
| 20:27.54 | DeFirence | yo, anyone seen DawnLight around? |
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| 20:28.04 | DeFirence | hes been missing for days |
| 20:28.08 | Eulex | jelly, hello again. I had some interesting findings, which sadly may not make the case less confusing. I did not get any kernel oops output on a tty when the laptop locked up. also, I first tried compiling on a tty, but came back after a while and saw that it hadn't locked up. then I did exactly like I had done the times before (compiled in screen inside an xterm with a truetype font), and it locked up within a few minutes. in any case, I'm just |
| 20:28.08 | Eulex | gonna try to perform the full compile on a tty, to verify that compiling on a tty doesn't cause any lockup.... |
| 20:28.09 | vin` | DeFirence: /msg dpkg seen DawnLight |
| 20:28.21 | abrotman | i wouldn't say days |
| 20:28.28 | ampex | does debian/linux have a bootable compressed read/write filesystem? |
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| 20:29.03 | DeFirence | !seen DawnLight |
| 20:29.04 | ampex | Eulex: something wrong with your video hardware? |
| 20:29.04 | dpkg | dawnlight <n=DawnLigh@89.1.227.155.dynamic.barak-online.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11h 29m 51s ago, saying: 'Nethox: right, that also helps. and it is way more impressive!'. |
| 20:29.16 | DeFirence | ahh |
| 20:29.22 | minerale | what does this mean: -rw-r--r--@ - the file is rw for owner, r for group/other and what does the @ mean -> when ls -al (or rather the @) |
| 20:29.37 | jelly | Eulex: truetype font you say. what if you used a bitmap font (or an antialias disabled terminal)? |
| 20:29.39 | Eulex | ampex, perhaps. however, none of the lockups were when viewing the compile text swishing by... |
| 20:30.08 | DeFirence | i seem to just miss him then |
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| 20:30.29 | Eulex | jelly, I'm first testing compiling on a tty, then I'll test going nearer and nearer the test-case that I know locks it up. |
| 20:31.05 | jelly | Eulex: using a non-free video driver maybe? :-) |
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| 20:33.10 | jelly | Eulex: your machine barfed again! |
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| 20:34.53 | Eulex | jelly, appears that that it didn't lock up last time when compiling on a tty was just by chance. |
| 20:35.19 | Eulex | jelly, in any case, I did use fglrx, but suspected it, and switched to the free driver, but still experienced the problem. |
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| 20:36.20 | MookiE | guten tag |
| 20:36.47 | MookiE | hätte mir mal jemand nen moment zeit... hab da n problem mit debian |
| 20:36.52 | Eulex | !de |
| 20:36.52 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 20:36.58 | MookiE | ok |
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| 20:38.15 | Eulex | I think I'll run memtest86+ for a while. |
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| 20:39.02 | jbm | sounds like a ball. |
| 20:39.15 | stiv2k | how do you copy directories in the command line |
| 20:39.22 | stiv2k | it keeps saying omitting directory blah |
| 20:39.26 | Eulex | cp -r |
| 20:39.34 | stiv2k | why does it need the -r flag |
| 20:39.39 | bonez44 | how do I change resolution? I run etch...I know it is dpkg-reconfigure xSOMETHING.... |
| 20:40.10 | Eulex | stiv2k, -r as in recursive. |
| 20:40.19 | dkr | !scp |
| 20:40.19 | dpkg | somebody said scp was Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 20:40.27 | stiv2k | i see |
| 20:40.48 | stiv2k | is it normal to have high IOWait when copying stuff with scp? |
| 20:41.34 | stiv2k | its making a lot of load on my system |
| 20:41.58 | stiv2k | 89.9%wa |
| 20:42.09 | stiv2k | what is wa/ |
| 20:42.19 | Sebboh | .... what is that file creation permissions mask thing -- umask! nevermind. It was on the tip of my tongue. :P |
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| 20:43.08 | Eulex | stiv2k, some sata/ide chipsets require lots of cpu for reading and writing. |
| 20:43.41 | stiv2k | Eulex: hmm i dunno if i've ever seen it like this before |
| 20:43.42 | stiv2k | weird |
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| 20:44.43 | DustyBin | im in the process of installing vmware server on lenny testing |
| 20:44.48 | DustyBin | our kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use |
| 20:44.49 | stiv2k | could it be something else causing the IOWait? |
| 20:44.50 | DustyBin | "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.3". |
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| 20:45.03 | DustyBin | would using gcc 4.2.3 cause any problems? |
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| 20:45.59 | gryfie__ | !help |
| 20:46.29 | stiv2k | jesus christ |
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| 20:46.56 | Ronin | gryfie__: with what? |
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| 20:47.49 | Grandie | Does anyone know if there is any alternative for pager ? |
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| 20:47.58 | Grandie | I got some new shell account, but pager doesn't seem to be installed on shell |
| 20:48.49 | gryfie__ | Ronin: dpkg offers me already any commands..... looking for a list of etch-packages, while the website-search function is down |
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| 20:50.29 | DustyBin | export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 <-- what does this command do? do i execute it in the terminal? |
| 20:50.43 | \amethyst | Grandie: you mean like more or less ? |
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| 20:51.18 | Ronin | gryfie__: ya the website search has been down since the dawn of time i swear, what are you looking for? |
| 20:51.21 | gryfie__ | I don't have access to my etch-laptop at the moment..... can someone look, what mesa-version debian use? |
| 20:52.17 | \amethyst | BTW, is there a Posix-compliant version of more for debian? Something that supports scrolling backwards? |
| 20:52.29 | \amethyst | Not less or most |
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| 20:52.59 | Grandie | \amethyst: yes |
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| 20:53.07 | Grandie | sec |
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| 20:54.25 | Eulex | \amethyst, 'b'? |
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| 20:55.07 | \amethyst | Eulex: b and k, yes... the version from util-linux doesn't seem to support it |
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| 20:55.40 | Eulex | \amethyst, here it does. |
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| 20:55.46 | \amethyst | Eulex: what version? |
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| 20:56.14 | Eulex | \amethyst, 2.13-8 |
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| 20:56.44 | jsubl2 | !mplayer |
| 20:56.44 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 20:56.52 | Eulex | \amethyst, hmm. it appears to only support it on files and not on stdin, though. |
| 20:57.01 | \amethyst | Eulex: aha, that was it |
| 20:57.03 | \amethyst | thanks |
| 20:57.18 | Eulex | yw |
| 20:57.23 | \amethyst | It should print an error message instead of beeping though |
| 20:57.24 | jelly | \amethyst: but, less is more :-D |
| 20:57.40 | \amethyst | Or is "\a" considered an error message? :) |
| 20:57.49 | jelly | well, more-or-less. |
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| 20:59.22 | mcquaid | trying to help a friend install manually a bunch of debs. i told him dpkg -i *.deb but he says it's only installing the first and just stopping |
| 20:59.29 | \amethyst | ah, found my problem... it supports b and d but not |
| 20:59.32 | \amethyst | not k |
| 20:59.41 | mcquaid | wildcards can be used for installing via dpkg no? i'm sure I've done it in the past |
| 20:59.48 | stiv2k | i dont understand why scp is going *so* slow |
| 20:59.56 | Ronin | mcquaid: is the package they want not available via aptitude install? or apt-get install? |
| 21:00.00 | stiv2k | its transferring at only like 20 KB/s over LAN |
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| 21:00.22 | click170 | Could someone point me to an accurate howto/documentation of how to set up debian to authenticate from LDAP? I've come across a couple, but none are consistent in their instructions |
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| 21:00.31 | mcquaid | yes it is. Basically he backed up all his deb's in archive and wants to reinstall them without manually having to select them via synaptic |
| 21:00.56 | \amethyst | I don't know if it's worth fixing util-linux more or not |
| 21:00.57 | mcquaid | so I was sure you could use a wildcard to install a bunch of debs but wanted to confirm |
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| 21:02.47 | upringat | hi, any recomendation of how/where to load iptable rules during the booting process? thx |
| 21:02.50 | mcquaid | so i want to verify that dpkg -i *.deb is valid |
| 21:03.13 | abrotman | upringat: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. read it |
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| 21:03.32 | upringat | abrotman , ups, sorry... |
| 21:03.45 | abrotman | upringat: it should describe a few courses of action |
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| 21:07.09 | debian-is-me | hello |
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| 21:07.31 | debian-is-me | a friend of mine can't install ati drivers in kubuntu what should he do? |
| 21:07.33 | upringat | abrotman, at /usr/share/doc/iptables/ theres html/ subdir with the NAT-HOWTO and packet-filtering-HOWTO (general doc) and nothing else. I was wondering about how to do it in debian... |
| 21:07.39 | abrotman | debian-is-me: ask #kubuntu |
| 21:07.51 | abrotman | upringat: no README.Debian ? |
| 21:08.24 | upringat | abrotman: only changelog files... |
| 21:08.34 | upringat | abrotman: as far as I see... |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | damn it .. where'd it go |
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| 21:08.50 | mypapit | hi there |
| 21:09.05 | abrotman | less and less docs with every release .. i swear |
| 21:09.23 | mypapit | is there any tips for packaging python apps for debian? |
| 21:09.27 | abrotman | upringat: you can either make your own init script .. or use the pre/post-up stuff in interfaces |
| 21:09.34 | abrotman | mypapit: there's a policy manual IIRC |
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| 21:09.57 | abrotman | yes .. and it's gone |
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| 21:10.25 | jelly | we be shippin it in a local package :-) |
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| 21:10.29 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.33 | mypapit | kk |
| 21:10.34 | upringat | abrotman: "or use the pre/post-up stuff in interfaces" that sounds interesting... thx |
| 21:10.41 | abrotman | upringat: man 5 interfaces |
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| 21:11.41 | upringat | abrotman: once upon a time there was /etc/init.d/firewall, but... |
| 21:11.53 | jelly | heh. "* removed README.Debian, too confusing" |
| 21:12.05 | upringat | abrotman: I feel more or less confortable with interfaces, thx |
| 21:12.07 | gryfie__ | !mesa |
| 21:12.07 | dpkg | somebody said mesa was the free implementation of the OpenGL API, more information is at http://www.mesa3d.org/ or ask me about 'glx' |
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| 21:12.33 | abrotman | jelly: and now there isn't one at all .. yay \o/ |
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| 21:14.02 | jelly | abrotman: I'm in the mood for filing bugs |
| 21:14.09 | upringat | jelly: any idea about how to load iptables rules in a polite debian way while booting? |
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| 21:14.21 | abrotman | jelly: i'm sure there are quite a few |
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| 21:16.10 | jelly | upringat: edit your rules online, when you're happy, save them with iptables-save > /some/file, then do post-up [ -x /sbin/iptables-restore ] && iptables-restore /some/file |
| 21:16.47 | stew | pre-up not post-up |
| 21:17.27 | jelly | stew: oh. I'm not exactly sure rules for eth0 would work if eth0 didn't exist |
| 21:17.35 | jelly | s/work/load/ |
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| 21:17.55 | jelly | s/$/ yet/ :-) |
| 21:18.00 | Freakingme | anybody who knows how I can solve this? ns4:~# mysql -h 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:18.01 | Freakingme | ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 0 |
| 21:18.21 | stew | jelly: if eth0 doesn't exist the whole thing is going to fail |
| 21:18.48 | stew | jelly: but you don't want the race condition where the interface is up and not yet protected |
| 21:19.13 | jelly | stew: ah, but I don't care _that_ much, ffs I still use the init script :-) |
| 21:19.56 | jelly | stew: say the module for eth0 isn't loaded yet. will a pre-up fail? I don't know. |
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| 21:21.32 | stew | jelly: i'd think it would still run. and i think it wouldn't matter |
| 21:21.46 | Tramp | hmm. Has thist changed? I can write for "-i" and "-o" whatever I want and it ends up in the table (on a 2.4 kernel)) |
| 21:22.14 | Tramp | i.e. there is no check whatever. It's just a string. |
| 21:22.26 | jelly | stew: I'd think so too, but OTOH I'm pretty sure that post-up would work well :-) |
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| 21:24.15 | jelly | Tramp: it works. So I guess pre-up would work then. |
| 21:24.32 | jelly | just did a iptables -A INPUT -i sux0 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:24.48 | Tramp | jelly: yeah. and, as stew said, it's the safe thing to do. |
| 21:24.59 | jelly | (and iptables-save just to be sure it got there) |
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| 21:25.44 | jelly | I wonder what would happen if I gave it an overly long iface name :-) |
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| 21:26.17 | mon | Hi, i just added a dvd-rom to my proliant 2500, but Debian loads the ide-floppy module instead of the cdrom one. is this because the proliant is too old for a dvd player? |
| 21:26.46 | Tramp | jelly: Probably a 16 or 32 char limit. Would have to check that |
| 21:26.55 | jelly | iptables v1.3.8: interface name `[...]' must be shorter than IFNAMSIZ (15) ... wiseguys |
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| 21:27.07 | agent | With a recent update (last few days), my usb dvd drive is now /dev/dvd3 and no /dev/dvd and dd no longer works. also, doing a copy to iso via k3b completes, but the last 30% or so of every dvd i have tried is bad... i have used this drive to copy dvd's to iso for a long time and it was okay via dd and k3b until now. what could be wrong? |
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| 21:28.03 | stew | link set name a12345678901234567890 dev eth0 -> SIOCSIFNAME: Device or resource busy |
| 21:28.21 | agent | note that /dev/dvd3 points to /dev/scdX like /dev/dvd in the past, but something has changed... |
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| 21:28.27 | jelly | iproute2 is too newfangled for me |
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| 21:28.45 | stew | all the cool kids switched to it years ago |
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| 21:29.00 | jelly | yeah, ifupdown is not cool |
| 21:29.01 | Max_- | Any tomcat6 package in sight?!? |
| 21:29.03 | Trollinator | when will 2.6.23 be in Sid? |
| 21:29.30 | stew | Trollinator: i doubt that anybody could know that |
| 21:30.15 | Max_- | oh.. forget it! |
| 21:30.16 | Trollinator | stew: I wonder how you're supposed to know what other people in here might now. |
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| 21:30.22 | snacky | the shadow knows |
| 21:30.27 | sepski | $deity knows |
| 21:30.29 | DustyBin | how does vserver compare to vmware and xen? anyone tried it out? |
| 21:30.41 | abrotman | Trollinator: most people in here aren't responsible for packaging |
| 21:30.53 | snacky | Trollinator: stew knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men |
| 21:31.02 | Trollinator | *yawn* |
| 21:31.19 | stew | Trollinator: i'm conjecturing that the think you are asking is not knowable |
| 21:31.23 | Trollinator | you know, if you don't know, why don't just shut your trap? |
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| 21:31.37 | abrotman | Trollinator: you're getting the correct answer .. no one knows |
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| 21:32.15 | snacky | I think Trollinator's argument - and it's a good one - is that, actually, no one knows whether or not no one knows. |
| 21:32.16 | abrotman | !seen fbi |
| 21:32.17 | dpkg | fbi <n=FBI@adsl-230-33-13.mob.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 111d 5h 27m 33s ago, saying: 'possibly, and thank you, unlink'. |
| 21:32.19 | snacky | but I don' tknow how Trollinator knows that |
| 21:33.06 | jelly | I think she doesn't know. |
| 21:33.27 | snacky | jelly: but you don't know that |
| 21:33.38 | jelly | true |
| 21:34.02 | Trollinator | goody. |
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| 21:35.10 | wols_ | Trollinator: who do you think knows the answer to your question? |
| 21:35.23 | abrotman | wols_: quit playing .. you know the answer! |
| 21:35.41 | Trollinator | wols_: I just thought that somebody /might/ know. |
| 21:35.45 | wols_ | unless there is collusion between DDs, no one can know |
| 21:35.55 | Trollinator | and so far, you've failed to prove me wrong. |
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| 21:36.13 | abrotman | Trollinator: you're asking in the wrong place |
| 21:36.21 | wols_ | the maintainer has to package it and is the only one knowing when it can be out |
| 21:36.27 | Alarm | whats a good application to trace hosts, check for open ports and stuff like that ? |
| 21:36.38 | Trollinator | wols_: so, somebody might have asked him. |
| 21:36.42 | jelly | Alarm: hm, what do you mean by "trace"? |
| 21:36.47 | Trollinator | or even better, he might be here? |
| 21:36.49 | wols_ | the ftpmaster is the one uploading it and can't do this unless he gets the package from the maintainer but doesn't know when this happens |
| 21:36.51 | Alarm | enter a host, get the ip |
| 21:36.55 | abrotman | this could go on for hours ... |
| 21:36.55 | wols_ | so no one knows |
| 21:36.59 | Alarm | check on a remote computer which ports are open |
| 21:37.14 | wols_ | Alarm: there is no single app that does this |
| 21:37.15 | jelly | Trollinator: he's not. Check the package database for linux-image-2.6 maintainers. |
| 21:37.15 | Alarm | check which computers are connected on a network within a range of ips |
| 21:37.16 | stew | Trollinator: in order to know when 2.6.23 is going to be in unstable you have to know at least three things. 1) when the package is going to be ready. 2) when someone is going to upload it 3) after it is uploaded it will have to go through NEW processing, which is a manual process, so you'll have to know when one of the few people that is able to do new processing will actually do it |
| 21:37.18 | wols_ | Alarm: nmap |
| 21:37.38 | azeem | 22:32 < Trollinator> I just wonder if it's more responsive due to the new scheduler. |
| 21:37.40 | Alarm | okie i will check that |
| 21:37.41 | azeem | to cut this short |
| 21:38.07 | agent | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.09 | agent | :D |
| 21:38.48 | Eulex | Alarm, whois |
| 21:38.48 | Trollinator | well no, I don't. So what? I can still ask, no? |
| 21:38.48 | Alarm | okie , thank you |
| 21:38.50 | azeem | Trollinator: except that your real question was much more useful than you initial question |
| 21:38.52 | abrotman | Trollinator: you could also ask ##kernel |
| 21:39.00 | reisener | does anybody know what this mean???? |
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| 21:39.04 | reisener | make[4]: Warning: File `/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build/.config' has modificatio n time 1.1e+04 s in the future |
| 21:39.11 | reisener | ?? |
| 21:39.20 | azeem | reisener: your clock is kaputt |
| 21:39.21 | abrotman | reisener: what does `date` return ? is your clock off ? |
| 21:39.25 | wols_ | reisener: you were time travelling |
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| 21:39.45 | Trollinator | azeem: well, actually my "real" question is completely useless. |
| 21:39.58 | stew | Trollinator: #debian-kernel could possibly be able to tell you when 1 and 2 might happen, nobody can tell you when 3 will happen at least until 1 and 2 happen and even then probably you'd never get an answer |
| 21:39.59 | azeem | Trollinator: so you are just trolling? |
| 21:40.01 | Trollinator | everybody seems to agree that CFS is great. |
| 21:40.12 | Trollinator | I just want to see it myself. |
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| 21:40.30 | agent | reisener: set your BIOS clock, then set your system clock (select correct timezone) |
| 21:40.43 | initself_ | i just installed debian. i typed gcc. command not found. is gcc really not installed by default? |
| 21:40.50 | sepski | !installit |
| 21:40.51 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 21:40.52 | reisener | ok thanks I will try it |
| 21:40.52 | wols_ | initself_: correct |
| 21:40.59 | Trollinator | initself_: yes, why should it? |
| 21:41.06 | jelly | initself: that's correct. You might want to install build-essential for starters. |
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| 21:41.42 | Trollinator | stew: thanks. |
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| 21:42.12 | Alarm | which front end is better for nmap, the gtk one or kde one ? |
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| 21:42.21 | Eulex | for how long is it appropriate to run memtest86+? a few hours? |
| 21:42.29 | Eulex | Alarm, the bash one. |
| 21:42.36 | Alarm | hehe :) |
| 21:42.51 | sepski | Eulex, overnight :) |
| 21:43.02 | snacky | Eulex: which frontend for bash is better? |
| 21:43.03 | jelly | !win sepski |
| 21:43.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, sepski! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:43.12 | Trollinator | Eulex: a few hours shoudl be fine. |
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| 21:43.34 | jelly | snacky: bash _is_ the frontend |
| 21:43.37 | Eulex | snacky, that's debatable |
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| 21:44.35 | utopia_ | how can i install a .deb package locally? |
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| 21:44.44 | Eulex | utopia_, dpkg -i |
| 21:44.46 | wols_ | define "install locally" |
| 21:44.49 | utopia_ | thanks |
| 21:45.06 | utopia_ | wols_, to install it from a .deb package ive downloaded |
| 21:45.19 | wols_ | see what Eulex said |
| 21:45.22 | ibanex | i'm having a lot of trouble installing, my kernel is hanging when it has to load the ide-cd module, ive tried to make a usb stick with no luck, and the unstable cd works, but then it says no modules have been loaded, any other optinos? |
| 21:45.28 | utopia_ | ya i got it cheers :) |
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| 21:45.34 | azeem | there's gdebi as well |
| 21:45.41 | wols_ | !tell ibanex about blacklist |
| 21:47.37 | jelly | ibanex: you could perhaps try kmuto's stable cds with newer kernels: <dpkg> For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 21:48.35 | ibanex | jelly: cool, i'm going to try it |
| 21:48.36 | ibanex | thanks |
| 21:49.01 | debian-is-me | too not have openbsd wont kill my system? |
| 21:49.13 | debian-is-me | do I need openbsd if i don't know what it is? |
| 21:49.29 | jelly | debian-is-me: you don't. |
| 21:49.35 | gryfie__ | I have one more question. if I use apt-get install, it tells me what additional packages I should or can install also+ |
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| 21:49.40 | debian-is-me | what about rmnologin? |
| 21:49.47 | jelly | debian-is-me: are you asking about "openbsd-inetd"? |
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| 21:50.09 | jelly | debian-is-me: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:50.16 | debian-is-me | yes |
| 21:50.22 | debian-is-me | speed up boot time |
| 21:50.33 | gryfie__ | are these packages IMPORTANT to use the package i want to install or how do I detect, if they are really usefull or more or less useless for me? |
| 21:50.55 | jelly | debian-is-me: why not just remove the packages that bring those, if you don't need them. |
| 21:51.02 | debian-is-me | donno |
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| 21:51.09 | debian-is-me | seams easier to disable them |
| 21:51.21 | ibanex | wols_: if i try to blacklist the module, it gets past the initial hanging, and then hangs at 86% of Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives, while loading module ide-cd :( the one i blacklisted |
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| 21:51.33 | jelly | debian-is-me: you don't even know what those do! |
| 21:51.36 | debian-is-me | no |
| 21:51.36 | sepski | gryfie__, if it's a dependency they are needed, if it's a recomend they are recomended to have, you can try read the pacakge description for a start. |
| 21:51.46 | debian-is-me | therfore i hope i don't need them |
| 21:51.54 | wols_ | ibanex: then you didn't really blacklist. what kerhnel version and what hardware? |
| 21:52.00 | debian-is-me | rmnologin is it usefull? |
| 21:52.25 | ibanex | wols_: i'm not sure, its the latest stable install cd, i'm passing: install ide-cd.blacklist=yes |
| 21:52.44 | sepski | debian-is-me, rmnologin, removes the nologin file. if you dont remove that nologinfile you can't login. so i'd say YES USEFUL! |
| 21:52.51 | wols_ | ibanex: what hardware? |
| 21:53.05 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 21:53.15 | debian-is-me | what about wpa-ifupd? |
| 21:53.26 | wols_ | debian-is-me: are you using WLAN? |
| 21:53.27 | ibanex | wols_: like cd-rom drive? i'm not even sure.. x86 intel install tho |
| 21:53.33 | debian-is-me | yes, but not wpa |
| 21:53.37 | wols_ | ibanex: no your controller |
| 21:53.41 | debian-is-me | and it hangs the system so not reallt |
| 21:53.49 | jelly | !find wpa-ifupd |
| 21:53.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wpa-ifupd' (1): (/etc/init.d/wpa-ifupdown) in net/wpasupplicant. |
| 21:53.59 | gryfie__ | sepski: Ok, I just read the german translations of the 2 stages (one is more needed,. the others not so important?) |
| 21:54.06 | debian-is-me | so it is wpa stuff? |
| 21:54.12 | ibanex | wols_: oh hm, i'm not sure about that either, can i find out from lspci? |
| 21:54.21 | jelly | debian-is-me: if you don't need software, just remove (or purge) the packages. |
| 21:54.22 | wols_ | ibanex: yes |
| 21:54.35 | ibanex | wols_: alright, i'll see next time a term is up on this |
| 21:54.37 | gryfie__ | I got the feeling, it doesn't depend so much, if I NEED it, but sometime it depends, if its part of nonefree etc., |
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| 21:54.51 | gryfie__ | so I get confused a bit |
| 21:55.08 | debian-is-me | but i need to know if not having them will kill my system |
| 21:55.36 | wols_ | debian-is-me: it will make it easy to hack your WLAN, that's for sure |
| 21:55.56 | debian-is-me | i use wep |
| 21:56.10 | debian-is-me | and besides the wlan driver makes my system lagg so i sue a cable |
| 21:56.23 | wols_ | yes, WEP = instantly hacked. about 10 min tops |
| 21:56.39 | wols_ | so if you use WEP, you can stop using encryption at all |
| 21:56.57 | jelly | debian-is-me: disabling init scripts at random will hose your system as well. At least dpkg will warn you if you try to remove some base package, and it will try to deinstall all the dependencies so you'll hopefully be able to see you need it |
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| 21:57.21 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 21:57.31 | debian-is-me | so I can safely deselect everythign? |
| 21:57.32 | sepski | wols_, well wep will keep the clueless neibour from using your wlan, but it's not real security |
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| 21:58.05 | debian-is-me | do I need cron? I don't like cron tasks, and unless the system needs it i don't need it. does the system need cron? |
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| 21:58.20 | jelly | cron sucks. |
| 21:58.34 | debian-is-me | so I can safely remove cron? |
| 21:58.42 | DawnLight | where do i change what happens when acpi events occur? like pressing the power button |
| 21:58.45 | sepski | debian-is-me, the system should have cron. it does it lot of maintainance so you dont have to do it yourself |
| 21:59.07 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 21:59.17 | debian-is-me | do i need acpi? |
| 21:59.50 | DawnLight | debian-is-me: acpi is a friend |
| 21:59.50 | sepski | debian-is-me, i dont know. do you ? |
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| 22:00.00 | debian-is-me | what does it fo? |
| 22:00.01 | jelly | debian-is-me: how would we know? Do you want to use the acpi buttons on your machine? |
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| 22:00.12 | debian-is-me | what acip buttons? |
| 22:00.21 | debian-is-me | power and reboot? |
| 22:00.29 | LinuxMeister | Whenever I try to play any CS Source games with wine, the game will stutter for half a second every 3 seconds... anyone know why? |
| 22:00.35 | jelly | debian-is-me: power-off, lid (if it's a laptop) |
| 22:00.37 | DawnLight | reboot isn't acpi, i assume |
| 22:00.55 | debian-is-me | I have a reset button that reboots the computer |
| 22:00.56 | sepski | debian-is-me, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface read this, and decide for yourself if you need it |
| 22:01.16 | jelly | debian-is-me: have you actually identified those scripts that take most of the time? |
| 22:01.22 | debian-is-me | no |
| 22:01.29 | DawnLight | spkeaking of acpi, my question above ^ |
| 22:01.32 | debian-is-me | do i need sysklogd? |
| 22:01.42 | jelly | debian-is-me: why do you think you'll accomplish anything, then? |
| 22:01.52 | sepski | debian-is-me, install the bootchart packages then and make a boot time chart |
| 22:02.04 | debian-is-me | I remove some stuff, and manage too boot in 60 sec |
| 22:02.17 | jelly | debian-is-me: how do you which stuff takes time? |
| 22:02.26 | jelly | know* |
| 22:02.29 | debian-is-me | does sys-rc-conf automagical save? |
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| 22:03.03 | debian-is-me | I just remove the majority |
| 22:03.13 | debian-is-me | and then the boottime will be reduced |
| 22:03.40 | debian-is-me | gtg |
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| 22:05.20 | nico8481 | hello |
| 22:06.12 | nico8481 | anyone can give a hand to get a treo to sync with my laptop? |
| 22:06.36 | jelly | I can give you a hand if you give me a palm... |
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| 22:06.47 | nico8481 | nice try :) |
| 22:06.52 | itchi | Someone here understand Dutch/flemish? |
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| 22:07.00 | jelly | itchi: you? |
| 22:07.15 | itchi | jelly: Yes, sure, wait i pastebin, that's somethings to read! |
| 22:07.33 | Trollinator | itchi: join irc://irc.debian.org/#debian.nl |
| 22:07.54 | nico8481 | i created a connection, then a network, and when i try it i get "Error:Serial: (0x030B)" |
| 22:08.24 | itchi | Trollinator: I'm on #debian-nl :-p But that's one of the best things i even have heard man http://pastebin.ca/759160 |
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| 22:08.27 | jelly | !nl |
| 22:08.28 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
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| 22:08.54 | itchi | jelly: Yeah, it's from there i pastebined that thingy :-p Read it :-) |
| 22:09.12 | ibanex | jelly: kenshi's images worked, thanks |
| 22:09.16 | Trollinator | itchi: it's not really funny. |
| 22:09.28 | itchi | Trollinator: It is, or you not understand anything |
| 22:09.48 | jelly | Lord Vader's prayer? |
| 22:09.57 | Trollinator | I don't really know dutch, but i understand it's just the "Our Father" |
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| 22:10.01 | itchi | jelly: It's a remix :-p |
| 22:10.06 | jelly | me too |
| 22:10.20 | itchi | jelly: Teh Debian version :-) |
| 22:10.29 | Trollinator | I've stopped laughing about that kind of jokes a long time ago. |
| 22:10.39 | snacky | this is just like that one episode of Star Trek: TNG where Data spent most of the episode in the holodeck trying to learn how to tell jokes effectively |
| 22:10.45 | itchi | Trollinator: Yeah, sorry if i hurt you :-s |
| 22:10.56 | nico8481 | ouch |
| 22:11.37 | jelly | ibanex: yeah, they're quite useful |
| 22:11.40 | itchi | Believe it, it's not anything sad |
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| 22:16.31 | |DuReX| | http://www.dupondje.be/kernel/gpf.txt <- how can i find out in what fails here ? and in what methode it 'errors' |
| 22:17.15 | Hammar | the easiest way to adjust my system clock to DST is...? |
| 22:18.16 | sepski | Hammar, isn't that happening automagically ? try tzconfig |
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| 22:18.36 | Trollinator | Hammar: |
| 22:18.36 | Trollinator | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 22:19.44 | Trollinator | and no, that wasn't hard to find. |
| 22:19.55 | sepski | Hammar, and just for the record. incase you run stable, tzdata have a new version in volatile http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 22:20.00 | jelly | |DuReX|: sounds like a question for ##kernel or linux kernel mailing list |
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| 22:20.43 | Nyle | jelly |
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| 22:21.11 | jelly | and peanut butter |
| 22:21.23 | fignew | time? |
| 22:21.39 | Nyle | ton |
| 22:21.43 | Nyle | sure |
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| 22:23.06 | suppaman | hi |
| 22:23.39 | suppaman | can I see the configure options in config.log ? |
| 22:24.01 | suppaman | I've built wxGTK a few months ago and would like to see the configure options I used |
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| 22:26.13 | jelly | hey Nyle. How's life treating you? |
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| 22:26.42 | rcbarnes | Right now, nvidia binary driver in testing: broken or not broken? |
| 22:26.43 | jelly | suppaman: dunno about log, but you can see them in config.status |
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| 22:28.08 | suppaman | jelly: thx |
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| 22:28.44 | Hammar | didnt the debian installer ask me something about UTC or local time? what would be the dpkg command for reconfiguring that? |
| 22:28.49 | jelly | suppaman: you can also just rerun config.status while in the new tree, and it'll exec configure with old options |
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| 22:30.36 | jelly | Hammar: if you only have linux on your system, it's best to keep the rtc ("bios" clock) in UTC. Windows, however, assume that rtc is in local time. /msg dpkg tzconfig |
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| 22:31.02 | Hammar | jelly: thx |
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| 22:32.22 | Max_- | Just installed tomcat5.5 and ... well.. it doesn't work >.< ... I see nothing wrong in the logs.. (I know nothing about this so that means nothing) It just doesn't execute stuff in a .jsp file. |
| 22:32.39 | Max_- | Anyone willing to help me find what's missing/wrong?! |
| 22:35.04 | suppaman | jelly: but I'd like to change an option so I'd get the old options rather than recreate same configure effects.. |
| 22:35.11 | suppaman | jelly: can I get it back ? |
| 22:35.31 | jelly | suppaman: well, you can find it in there somewhere. look for \./configure |
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| 22:37.16 | Sec | Hi lads |
| 22:37.18 | Sec | im wandering |
| 22:37.21 | Sec | im just intalling debians |
| 22:37.27 | Sec | whats Encrypted VLM? |
| 22:37.29 | suppaman | jelly: I already grepped .* but didn't find anything useful |
| 22:37.47 | suppaman | no wait I grepped * |
| 22:38.31 | suppaman | jelly: nothing |
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| 22:38.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Sec, LVM? |
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| 22:39.03 | Arron_ | do i have to do something special to get lpr to print threw cups? |
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| 22:40.30 | Sec | thats it |
| 22:40.31 | Alarm | when i just tried to do an apt-get upgrade , there were some packages to get upgraded like iceweasel openoffice.org-java-common . but i get also that penoffice.org openoffice.org-base and many others are being kept back, why is that |
| 22:40.33 | Sec | LVM |
| 22:40.35 | karsten | Is there anything vaguely like Opsware (heterogenous systems imaging, reconciliation, and management) in FS/OSS? |
| 22:40.40 | karsten | Other than cfengine. |
| 22:40.47 | humbolto | I have a firewall script which should be started after my ppp0 is up. I had planned to do this by adding an ip-up script to /etc/ppp/ip-up.d. The firewall script should be invoked by the ip-up script. The ip-up script is clearly executed, as I let it write some vars to a log file. But the firewall script, does not seem to get started. |
| 22:40.51 | humbolto | What might be the reason. |
| 22:41.21 | humbolto | My logfile says ip-up is invoked by root. the firewall script is root:root rwxr--r-- |
| 22:41.58 | humbolto | I guess I am invoking the firewall script uncorrectly. |
| 22:42.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | !lvm |
| 22:42.20 | dpkg | well, lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 22:42.20 | humbolto | How would I start an external script from within an ip-up script? |
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| 22:42.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | karsten, puppet |
| 22:43.22 | suppaman | mm is there a wxgtk >=2.8.0 deb package ? |
| 22:43.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, can you pasetbin your firewal script from ifup? |
| 22:43.29 | suppaman | I could just spare myself to build them |
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| 22:43.31 | wols_ | huslu: exec() perhaps? |
| 22:43.36 | wols_ | suppaman: not in debian :( |
| 22:43.46 | suppaman | wols_: thx |
| 22:44.09 | jelly | suppaman: * means different things in grep and in shell. grep '\./configure ' config.status |
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| 22:44.25 | humbolto | I have a firewall script which should be started after my ppp0 is up. I had planned to do this by adding an ip-up script to /etc/ppp/ip-up.d. The firewall script should be invoked by the ip-up script. The ip-up script is clearly executed, as I let it write some vars to a log file. But the firewall script, does not seem to get started. |
| 22:44.29 | Sec | !lvm_tutorial |
| 22:44.29 | humbolto | What might be the reason? |
| 22:44.29 | dpkg | lvm_tutorial is, like, ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 22:44.33 | humbolto | My logfile says ip-up is invoked by root. the firewall script is root:root rwxr--r-- |
| 22:44.34 | suppaman | jelly: I meant in bash argument expansion |
| 22:44.35 | humbolto | I guess I am invoking the firewall script uncorrectly. |
| 22:44.37 | humbolto | How would I start an external script from within an ip-up script? |
| 22:44.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, dont simply repeat the questino |
| 22:45.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | from 1 minute ago: |
| 22:45.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | <Kamping_Kaiser> humbolto, can you pasetbin your firewal script from ifup? |
| 22:45.15 | humbolto | sorry got disconnected |
| 22:45.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok |
| 22:45.32 | humbolto | the firewall script is compiled by fwbuilder |
| 22:45.49 | jelly | suppaman: dunno, the one config.status I have here contains more than one instance of 'configure' |
| 22:45.58 | jelly | suppaman: what did you grep for? |
| 22:46.05 | suppaman | "\./configure" |
| 22:46.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, is it the firewall script being run from if-up.d or is it a script taht runs the firewall script? |
| 22:46.19 | suppaman | but the 2 results I see cannot be my lines :-) |
| 22:46.36 | suppaman | I wonder if I should uninstall 2.8.3 before installing 2.8.6 |
| 22:47.41 | Alarm | how can i check which version of gtk i got ? |
| 22:47.55 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: the following if-up.d script starts the firewall script http://pastebin.com/d25e119bd |
| 22:48.44 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: the etel section is the one that counts |
| 22:49.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, loading |
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| 22:49.23 | jelly | Alarm: the package is called libgtk2.0-0 ... try doing something like dpkg -l libgtk\* |
| 22:49.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, is /etc/asbo-xserver.fw the firewall? |
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| 22:50.06 | jelly | Alarm: add "|grep ^.i" to that line to see only installed packages |
| 22:50.11 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: yes |
| 22:50.24 | Alarm | ii libgtk2.0-0 2.12.1-1 The GTK+ graphical user interface library |
| 22:50.27 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: this is the what the log says: http://pastebin.com/d34716d3 |
| 22:50.34 | Alarm | ii libgtk1.2 1.2.10-18.1 The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X |
| 22:50.43 | Alarm | plus other lines. but which of those too do i got ? |
| 22:50.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, what permissions does that file have? perhaps you should run it with `sh /etc/asbo-xserver.fw` |
| 22:51.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, hm. can you pastebin the firewall itself? |
| 22:51.08 | Alarm | the new iceweasel installed me the 2.12 but removed my 2.6 and also amule |
| 22:51.29 | humbolto | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 21969 2007-11-02 03:29 /etc/asbo-xserver.fw |
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| 22:52.07 | humbolto | the firewall script starts with #!/bin/bash as well |
| 22:52.46 | jelly | Alarm: sounds like you've gone from pre-etch version straight to current testing (or even unstable?), what's in your sources.list? |
| 22:52.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, you could add 'set -evx' to the firewall script to see what its doing. |
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| 22:53.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, you could also add -v to any iptables lines, so you can see what its applying |
| 22:53.22 | Alarm | Removing libwxgtk2.6-0 .. , Removing amule ...Preparing to replace libgtk2.0-0 2.10.13-1 . and when i install amule again i saw : Preparing to replace libwxbase2.6-0 2.6.3.2.1.5 (using .../libwxbase2.6-0_2.6.3.2.2-1_i386.deb) ...Unpacking replacement libwxbase2.6-0 ... |
| 22:53.33 | Alarm | so i am kind of confused. i dont know what gtk is on my system anymore |
| 22:53.42 | Alarm | i got testing |
| 22:53.46 | jelly | Alam_Debian: um, wxgtk is not the same as gtk |
| 22:54.12 | jelly | ah |
| 22:54.20 | jelly | Alarm: wxgtk is not the same as gtk |
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| 22:55.03 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: it seems like it is not doing anything |
| 22:55.13 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: it seems like it is not even run |
| 22:55.26 | Alarm | then why the installation of the libgtk2.0-0 2.10.13-1 needed to remove libwxgtk2.6-0 ? |
| 22:55.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, did you add 'set -evx' to the two scripts? |
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| 22:56.47 | jelly | Alarm: you didn't install libgtk2.0-0 2.10.13-1, it was already there, and was replaced by a newer version |
| 22:57.27 | Alarm | i see installed on my system libgtk1.2 1.2.10-18.1 and libgtk2.0-0 2.12.1-1 |
| 22:57.45 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: not yet. I added something to write to the logs, so I can see if the script is even run. But for testing I will have to go offline. |
| 22:57.51 | Alarm | my question is why the installation of libgtk2.0-0 needed to remove amule and libwxbase2.6-0 |
| 22:58.02 | jelly | Alam_Debian: did you use apt-get? |
| 22:58.08 | humbolto | what does set do? |
| 22:58.14 | jelly | ... |
| 22:58.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, ok. |
| 22:58.22 | jelly | Alarm: did you use apt-get? |
| 22:58.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, sets shell options. evx is debugging (effectively) |
| 22:58.32 | Alarm | yes |
| 22:58.49 | humbolto | CU |
| 22:58.49 | Alarm | to install amule again, and it installed again the libwxbase2.6-0 |
| 22:58.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, gl |
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| 22:59.17 | Alam_Debian | jelly, watch your TAB key |
| 23:00.00 | jelly | Alarm: it doesn't recognize circular dependencies very well. If you had used aptitude (or apt-get dist-upgrade), it would have probably worked it out better, without removing amule |
| 23:00.01 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: Back |
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| 23:00.12 | Alarm | okie |
| 23:00.13 | Alarm | thanks |
| 23:00.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, wb |
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| 23:00.18 | jelly | Alam_Debian: my apologies |
| 23:00.39 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: the weirdest thing is, that it seems like the FW script is not run the first time, but it was now. |
| 23:00.41 | |DuReX| | how can I printk a __uint64_t ? |
| 23:01.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, :| |
| 23:01.16 | Alarm | true. dist-upgrade doesnt keep back my openoffice.org |
| 23:01.23 | Alarm | but tries to install gcj, strange |
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| 23:01.58 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: how do I pipe both standard and error out to a file? |
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| 23:02.39 | Gm4n | how would i go about making a debian box act like a firewire external HD? |
| 23:02.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, iirc, 2>&1> , but you should double check |
| 23:02.52 | jelly | Alarm: you'll want to read apt-get docs to see how to work around the weirdness. aptitude sometimes does things better too |
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| 23:03.11 | Alarm | okie, thanks for your help a lot jelly :) |
| 23:03.17 | Alarm | i'll do so |
| 23:03.18 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: I think to remember a shorter form. |
| 23:03.27 | humbolto | 2&1> something like that |
| 23:03.37 | humbolto | but not exactly |
| 23:03.40 | Tramp | humbolto: 1>file 2>&1 works. |
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| 23:04.26 | jelly | Alarm: if "apt-get install foo" wants to remove "bar", you can try "apt-get install foo bar", you can use it with --dry-run option first, etc |
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| 23:04.55 | humbolto | Tramp: does this work as well: something 2>&1 file? |
| 23:05.02 | Alarm | okie, good tip |
| 23:05.02 | Alarm | thanks |
| 23:05.08 | humbolto | Tramp: There was something like this. |
| 23:05.35 | jelly | Alarm: and since you're using unstable, you should really know these things already |
| 23:05.45 | Tramp | humbolto: &>file is the short form, iirc |
| 23:06.04 | humbolto | Tramp: cool, tnx |
| 23:06.31 | Tramp | humbolto: in 99.9% of all cases I personally want 1>foo 2>bar however to distinguish between the two |
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| 23:11.55 | humbolto | Tramp: Kamping_Kaiser: as far as I can tell from that, the firewall script is not run to the end : http://pastebin.com/d64f1086b |
| 23:12.14 | humbolto | The iptables section seems to be missing completely |
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| 23:14.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, -> + L= |
| 23:14.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, try running with just 'set -vx' (no e) |
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| 23:15.14 | reiser2 | how can i know how much fast a server is actually? |
| 23:15.18 | reiser2 | ping ? |
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| 23:15.56 | reiser2 | i made ping to server1 i got this ---> icmp_seq=14 ttl=245 time=10.2 ms |
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| 23:16.13 | reiser2 | server2 ------> icmp_seq=14 ttl=245 time=143.2 ms |
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| 23:16.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | reiser2, whats your actual question? |
| 23:16.53 | reiser2 | with SSH it takes an increible time to send 100 files |
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| 23:17.09 | reiser2 | i want to know if a server is very slow |
| 23:17.20 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: seems to go further now |
| 23:17.33 | reiser2 | i have problems to send by ssh |
| 23:17.36 | Tramp | humbolto: sorry, but I don't grasp exactly what you are doing. Which scripts starts what? |
| 23:17.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, the -e tells it to break when a function doesnt exist (iirc) |
| 23:18.12 | Tramp | It breaks when something exits with !0 |
| 23:18.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tramp, that looks more like it, thanks :) |
| 23:18.43 | raeth | Hey, I'm interested in using Debian, and I require GIMP 2.4, but 2.4 is only in Unstable, which is highly unrecommended for even power-users. Is Debian for me? |
| 23:18.59 | humbolto | ok, I have a ppp0 configured in network/interfaces. set to auto. when it comes up, it starts an ip-up script residing in ip-up.d that is: http://pastebin.com/d25e119bd |
| 23:19.09 | reiser2 | Debian is good |
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| 23:19.16 | reiser2 | i use Gimp too |
| 23:19.23 | humbolto | this then starts /etc/asbo-xserver.fw the actual firewall script |
| 23:19.23 | raeth | GIMP 2.4? |
| 23:19.24 | Tramp | raeth: you could check, if a backport exists |
| 23:19.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, any reason why you start another script? |
| 23:19.46 | humbolto | so far it looks like, when I run the script by hand, it works. when I run ifup by hand it works either. |
| 23:19.50 | humbolto | yes |
| 23:19.51 | DustyDingo | hm, is it really that hard to implement limitation of download speed for certain protocols? |
| 23:19.57 | reiser2 | Kamping_Kaiser: then |
| 23:20.03 | raeth | Tramp: Ubuntu has GIMP 2.4 and GNOME 2.20 in the -stable-. Is Debian just as stable, or aren't there as many testers to bring it into stable/testing? |
| 23:20.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | "stable" |
| 23:20.27 | DustyDingo | i tried rtorrent and bittornado and they both ignore the global download limit |
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| 23:20.36 | azeem | raeth: Ubuntu has the latest Gnome release as one of their top release goals |
| 23:20.44 | raeth | Kamping_Kaiser: Ubuntu doesn't crash for me, so can I expect Debian Unstable won't crash? |
| 23:20.46 | azeem | raeth: Debian doesn't |
| 23:20.48 | humbolto | I want some debuging info written to some logs. And then the firewall script is produced by fwbuilder and overwritten anytime I change something. |
| 23:20.49 | Tramp | raeth: I'm not sure, but I think "stable" means different things in different distributions |
| 23:20.58 | azeem | raeth: you tried all 20k Ubuntu packages, and none crashed? |
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| 23:21.05 | raeth | Tramp: Sure, but Unstable is highly unrecommended |
| 23:22.02 | humbolto | and as it shall only be executed when the etel ppp0 link comes up, but not when other ppp links come up, I need some magic for this in there. |
| 23:22.16 | Tramp | raeth: I was implying that what *buntu considers stable may not be what debian considers stable. |
| 23:22.16 | humbolto | so that is what the ip-up.d script is doing for me |
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| 23:22.41 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: all clear? |
| 23:23.20 | raeth | Tramp: that sounds likely, but my logic goes like this: Ubuntu "stable" is equivilent to Debian "unstable", does that mean running Debian Unstable is no "worse" than running Ubuntu? |
| 23:23.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, yeah. its 'if-up.d', btw |
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| 23:23.36 | xand | do I need to run something after modifying /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt (as well as restarting exim?) |
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| 23:23.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | raeth, ubuntu stable *was* debian unstable. |
| 23:23.57 | raeth | In other words, if I want GIMP 2.4 and GNOME 2.20, would you recommend Debian to me, or should I use Ubuntu |
| 23:24.27 | wols_ | raeth: if you want that now: use ubuntu |
| 23:24.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | raeth, do you want to use debian, or ubuntu? |
| 23:24.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | ;) |
| 23:24.37 | EmleyMoo1 | Is www.debian-multimedia.org coming back? |
| 23:24.37 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: you are wrong. It is if-up.d for the other interfaces but /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
| 23:24.49 | raeth | I want to use Debian, because Ubuntu modifies GNOME visually :) |
| 23:24.49 | wols_ | EmleyMoo1: it is not gone |
| 23:24.58 | EmleyMoo1 | wols_: I can't resolve it |
| 23:25.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | humbolto, fair enough. *hasnt used dialup for years* |
| 23:25.16 | EmleyMoo1 | Forgotten but not gone? <g> |
| 23:25.19 | wols_ | EmleyMoo1: one of their DNS entries is fubar. for quite some time even |
| 23:25.21 | humbolto | Kamping_Kaiser: same for ppp (DSL) |
| 23:25.23 | humbolto | PPTP |
| 23:25.30 | humbolto | Austria |
| 23:25.55 | xand | pptp isn't dsl |
| 23:25.56 | EmleyMoo1 | wols_: Is there an equivalent which is unaffected? |
| 23:26.01 | xand | pptp is for vpns |
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| 23:26.54 | wols_ | EmleyMoo1: dig debian-multimedia.org |
| 23:26.56 | Tramp | humbolto: slowly. You expect "/etc/asbo-xserver.fw" to be run, right? and it doesn't. Is that your problem? |
| 23:26.58 | reiser2 | i need to know why the ssh access to a server is so slow ? |
| 23:27.13 | raeth | I want GNOME 2.20 and GIMP 2.4 -now-, would you recommend Ubuntu over running Debian Unstable |
| 23:27.33 | xand | grrr |
| 23:27.33 | wols_ | raeth: yes. we don't recommend to run unstable |
| 23:27.38 | raeth | Okay, thanks |
| 23:27.45 | Tramp | raeth: have you checked for a backport? |
| 23:27.47 | humbolto | Tramp: right |
| 23:27.57 | raeth | Tramp: Where do I look? |
| 23:28.02 | xand | I have altered /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt and run update-exim4.conf but /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated doesn't have the stuff I put in it there :S |
| 23:28.05 | wols_ | !backports |
| 23:28.06 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 23:28.35 | themill | raeth: that debian doesn't consider sid to be stable yet ubuntu does might tell you something, though. |
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| 23:29.28 | Tramp | humbolto: ok. So it is executed, when you run the if-up-script you just pasted by hand, but not when you ifup the interface? |
| 23:29.30 | raeth | Tramp: So if I wanted GNOME 2.20, I'd have to compile it all? |
| 23:30.08 | Tramp | raeth: if there ist no package, I think yes. |
| 23:30.17 | reiser2 | some body hear |
| 23:30.21 | reiser2 | ? |
| 23:30.29 | JonkoPa | gnome 2.20 is not in SID? |
| 23:30.33 | raeth | Tramp: I came from Gentoo to get away from all the compiling, I think Ubuntu is more for me |
| 23:30.34 | humbolto | Tramp: It looks like, if I execute ifup ppp0 as root myself it works, but not when the system first boots. |
| 23:31.44 | Tramp | humbolto: hmm. ok. But you mentioned that this script is not static but created somehow - maybe it is not there on boot? |
| 23:31.52 | themill | JonkoPa: no |
| 23:31.58 | humbolto | No, it is there. |
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| 23:33.47 | humbolto | However, what I was thinking is, that it might not be executeable by ip-up. I suspect ip-up is run by some other user (dip) but with sudo. Since the script is only 744 it might have problems to start it. |
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| 23:33.59 | humbolto | Tramp: could that be? |
| 23:34.27 | Tramp | humbolto: To "could" I always answer yes 8) |
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| 23:35.14 | Tramp | humbolto: I have no dialup interface, so I don't know which other magic may be involved here. |
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| 23:35.35 | themill | !pony xand |
| 23:35.51 | xand | I'd rather update-exim4.conf worked |
| 23:36.20 | themill | xand: can't a pony suffice for one night? |
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| 23:36.46 | JonkoPa | http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/figures/rndevelopers-glade-dockable.png what font is this? |
| 23:37.28 | \amethyst | JonkoPa: Is it Dejavu Sans or Bitstream Sans? |
| 23:37.37 | JonkoPa | what size? |
| 23:37.45 | humbolto | When I want my machine to have some more IPs, which actually don't have any interfaces, how would I do that? |
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| 23:37.51 | \amethyst | JonkoPa: measure it :) |
| 23:38.00 | JonkoPa | lol |
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| 23:41.11 | raeth | I think I'll go with Testing and backport GIMP |
| 23:41.15 | wols_ | humbolto: what's the point of an IP without interface? |
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| 23:42.11 | \amethyst | JonkoPa: looks like 15px |
| 23:45.25 | DeFirence | quick question |
| 23:45.25 | DeFirence | OpenSSH 4.2p1 Debian 7ubuntu3.1 (protocol 2.0) |
| 23:45.41 | DeFirence | if thats on a server |
| 23:46.13 | DeFirence | is the server ubuntu pr debian? |
| 23:46.19 | DeFirence | or* |
| 23:46.35 | themill | it's not debian |
| 23:46.54 | DeFirence | hmm |
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| 23:47.01 | themill | no debian has ever released with that version of ssh |
| 23:47.07 | DeFirence | ok |
| 23:47.15 | DeFirence | so its an ubuntu server then? |
| 23:47.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeFirence, debian doesnt (afaik) release software labled "ubuntux.x" |
| 23:47.21 | wols_ | and debian would certainly not put "ubuntu" in its welcome string |
| 23:47.22 | xand | DeFirence: maybe. |
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| 23:47.28 | \amethyst | it could be debian if someone ported over the ubuntu stuff |
| 23:47.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeFirence, ubuntu or derivative |
| 23:47.31 | wols_ | ubuntu which is derived from debian very well could |
| 23:47.40 | DeFirence | ok |
| 23:47.50 | themill | Of course etch will have had that version when etch was testing, but it wouldn't have had ubuntu in the version string.... |
| 23:48.07 | DeFirence | i didnt ever think that server could be ubuntu but ok |
| 23:48.25 | humboldt | Tramp: Kamping_Kaiser: Mystery solved. |
| 23:48.29 | humboldt | Tramp: Kamping_Kaiser: When the script is first invoked VMware is not started yet. So vmnet1 does not exist. This makes the script die. |
| 23:48.32 | biz | is there a way to override all gtk theme settings just for one app? eg in a bash script.. unset all gtk settings and start an app that doesn't look to well with custom gtk theme settings? |
| 23:48.49 | DeFirence | ya, must be ubuntu |
| 23:48.54 | DeFirence | cause it has Apache httpd 2.0.55 ((Ubuntu)) |
| 23:49.02 | themill | DeFirence: that version string matches dapper. |
| 23:49.07 | humboldt | Tramp: Kamping_Kaiser: Is there a way to have temporary interfaces setup until the real vmnets come up? |
| 23:49.17 | DeFirence | dapper? |
| 23:49.21 | DeFirence | !dapper |
| 23:49.33 | \amethyst | wols_: It's not a release since it's sid, but python-distutils-extra (a native package) currently has ubuntu in its version :) |
| 23:49.49 | \amethyst | it's the only one I can find though |
| 23:49.52 | Tramp | humboldt: what does all this have to do with vmware? |
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| 23:50.49 | \amethyst | DeFirence: can't you look in /etc/ubuntu_version or something? |
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| 23:51.05 | DeFirence | lol, its cool |
| 23:51.09 | DeFirence | its not my server |
| 23:51.13 | DeFirence | i was nmap'ing it |
| 23:51.14 | humboldt | Tramp: I have rules in there for my vmware interfaces. |
| 23:51.24 | \amethyst | should still be publicly readable |
| 23:51.30 | \amethyst | oh |
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| 23:51.32 | DeFirence | wanted to see the os version |
| 23:51.34 | \amethyst | baf |
| 23:51.36 | \amethyst | d |
| 23:51.42 | DeFirence | hmm? |
| 23:51.49 | DeFirence | and i was looking for the irc port |
| 23:51.54 | DeFirence | which doesnt show up |
| 23:52.00 | Tramp | humboldt: in the firewall script? |
| 23:52.01 | humboldt | Tramp: But as the interfaces don't exist when the FW script is first invoked ... |
| 23:52.12 | DeFirence | does nmap <ip> scan ALL ports? |
| 23:52.19 | humboldt | Tramp: Yes |
| 23:52.23 | Tramp | DeFirence: no |
| 23:52.31 | DeFirence | oh |
| 23:53.00 | Tramp | DeFirence: it's the -p <range> option you want, from the top of my head, but check man |
| 23:53.05 | themill | DeFirence: ummm... let me get this straight,.... you're port scanning a machine you don't own and don't know what it does or what it's running to see if it's running an irc server.... |
| 23:53.55 | Tramp | humboldt: this should not matter. If rules refer to interfaces which do not exists, they will be added to the tables nevertheless |
| 23:54.15 | DeFirence | themill: no |
| 23:54.21 | DeFirence | its a pvpgn server |
| 23:54.30 | DeFirence | im looking for the irc port of it |
| 23:54.38 | Tramp | humboldt: this was discussed earlier here. Unless the script has some weird "if interface exists" logic, which makes it bail out. |
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| 23:56.01 | humboldt | Tramp: have a look at the very end: http://pastebin.com/d27ebbf24 |
| 23:57.13 | humboldt | Tramp: Do you have something better than fwbuilder in stock to easily create and maintain FW rules? |
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| 23:57.28 | humboldt | Tramp: Or a FW distro that does not suck. |
| 23:58.48 | humboldt | Tramp: I have tried so many. FWbuilder was what it came down to. m0n0wall is cool, but does not support masquerading of certain connections. |
| 23:58.58 | Tramp | humboldt: well, for my handful of rather static rules it is not an issue - I manage them manually 8) |
| 23:59.17 | humboldt | Tramp: Been there. |
