| 00:00.04 | Tramp | humboldt: And the company I worked for previously had a own distribution, built around some thousand lines of shellcode, mainly for managing the FW 8) |
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| 00:01.12 | \amethyst | Tramp: "shellcode" without a space doesn't mean what you think it does :) |
| 00:01.49 | Tramp | \amethyst: well some of it looked like what you mean ... |
| 00:01.56 | \amethyst | Tramp: heh :) |
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| 00:02.35 | \amethyst | Step 1. Write a m68k simulator entirely in portable POSIX sh. |
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| 00:03.00 | humboldt | Tramp: It's a shame that there is no really good firewall Tool out there. |
| 00:03.16 | \amethyst | That would be a nice semester project for a third-year undergrad, actually |
| 00:03.47 | dalias | \amethyst, lol |
| 00:04.07 | dalias | just sh? |
| 00:04.10 | dalias | or all of xcu available? |
| 00:04.24 | Tramp | Doing it right is fscking tough. Image a machine with several dozen - or even several hundred - (virtual) interfaces |
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| 00:04.31 | [1]n-055521 | gay |
| 00:04.31 | [1]n-055521 | sex |
| 00:04.34 | [1]n-055521 | k |
| 00:04.42 | \amethyst | dalias: sure, all of POSIX.2 :) |
| 00:05.00 | azeem | [1]n-055521: do you have a debian question? |
| 00:05.06 | dalias | \amethyst, even the c99 command? :) |
| 00:05.21 | [1]n-055521 | nah debian sucks |
| 00:05.25 | [1]n-055521 | i dont use it |
| 00:05.32 | azeem | [1]n-055521: then please either keep quiet, or leave |
| 00:05.35 | themill | [1]n-055521: please go away. |
| 00:05.41 | dalias | or are you excluding stuff like development, user portability option, etc. |
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| 00:06.02 | [1]n-055521 | why go away? am I a cockroach? |
| 00:06.05 | TheSayers | is it fine to install xfce, gnome , and kde or will they intermingle |
| 00:06.08 | \amethyst | dalias: sure, if they put their source in a heredoc or something. But only ISO C allowed, not POSIX.1 :) |
| 00:06.24 | yigal | "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator" how bad ass can kraftwerk get |
| 00:06.25 | [1]n-055521 | sharmuta |
| 00:06.28 | dalias | \amethyst, :) |
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| 00:06.36 | rcbarnes | I'm trying to make a bootable dos disk (to flash my bios). What can I use to make the boot sector right? I have the files I need and the USB key is FAT32. |
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| 00:06.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | TheSayers, yes you can install them together, yes they will mix |
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| 00:06.52 | [1]n-055521 | bahaha kicked |
| 00:06.53 | [1]n-055521 | k |
| 00:06.55 | [1]n-055521 | ill stfu |
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| 00:07.16 | DeFirence | !seen DawnLight |
| 00:07.16 | dpkg | dawnlight <n=dawn@89.0.122.106.dynamic.barak-online.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 5m 48s ago, saying: 'spkeaking of acpi, my question above ^'. |
| 00:07.22 | TheSayers | Kamping_Kaiser: but nothing crazy? |
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| 00:07.36 | DeFirence | OMFG,!!! how do i keep missing him?!?/!? |
| 00:07.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | TheSayers, depends, what do you mean by crazy? |
| 00:07.43 | Moh_ | hello everybody :-) |
| 00:07.51 | DeFirence | lo Moh_ |
| 00:07.55 | TheSayers | Kamping_Kaiser: beyond easily fixable |
| 00:08.09 | themill | dpkg: greet Moh_ |
| 00:08.09 | dpkg | Bonjour, Moh_ |
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| 00:08.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | TheSayers, no. but i suppose it depens what you think of as 'broken' as to wether you can ' |
| 00:08.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | fix it' |
| 00:08.33 | azeem | w25 |
| 00:08.33 | azeem | oops |
| 00:08.37 | Moh_ | thanks, I'm from germany |
| 00:08.44 | Moh_ | and very new here |
| 00:08.49 | TheSayers | Kamping_Kaiser: the only odd thing would be menus yes? |
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| 00:09.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Moh_, well welcome in |
| 00:09.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | TheSayers, not tried recently. |
| 00:10.28 | humboldt | Tramp: Kamping_Kaiser: TNX and good night. |
| 00:10.30 | Moh_ | thanks, i am software architect and work since more than 10 years with Linux, but for the first time in a IRC-chat room |
| 00:10.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | humboldt, np, later mate |
| 00:10.52 | Tramp | cu |
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| 00:11.11 | TheSayers | Moh_: that is a lot of time |
| 00:11.36 | Moh_ | I know. I'm old too :-) |
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| 00:11.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 00:12.14 | TheSayers | I'm mad at kubuntu , Kamping_Kaiser , and am pleased with the stability of my server which has testing on it. |
| 00:12.33 | TheSayers | Kamping_Kaiser: So I figure put debian on my desktop also |
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| 00:13.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | TheSayers, give it a try. |
| 00:13.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | etch is stable, testing is probably mostly stable |
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| 00:13.36 | TheSayers | Kamping_Kaiser: A year ago I started with debian, out of all probably the best distro. |
| 00:13.48 | Moh_ | I had made a test for a german company. I musst say Debian has the fastest kernel . |
| 00:13.50 | TheSayers | Kamping_Kaiser: well yes, and I like newer versions of web software |
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| 00:14.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Moh_, you supprise me. what did you compare it with? |
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| 00:14.50 | Moh_ | Only the kernel internal time |
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| 00:15.38 | Moh_ | we had a lot of testcases , function calls of Kernel. than we had to comare different linuy dists. |
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| 00:16.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | interesting. |
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| 00:17.17 | Moh_ | there was realy only kernel calls. some thing like "open/read/write/..." |
| 00:17.35 | Moh_ | and some thread/forks/... |
| 00:18.31 | Moh_ | therefor i have changed my Suse to debian :-D |
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| 00:19.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 00:19.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | hope you enjoy your stay :) |
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| 00:19.17 | Moh_ | sure i do it |
| 00:19.44 | TheSayers | How do I make the terminal font smaller |
| 00:19.47 | Moh_ | I try to develop a multimedia system ;-) and need a fast kernel |
| 00:19.52 | tarzeau | TheSayers: which terminal? |
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| 00:20.03 | TheSayers | tarzeau: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 00:20.16 | tarzeau | TheSayers: framebuffer or textmode? |
| 00:20.21 | tarzeau | TheSayers: fbset or svgatextmode |
| 00:20.28 | TheSayers | tarzeau: O |
| 00:20.32 | TheSayers | tarzeau: no idea* |
| 00:20.54 | tarzeau | TheSayers: run this: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgamode.c |
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| 00:21.13 | TheSayers | tarzeau: would I have to compile that |
| 00:21.24 | tarzeau | TheSayers: yes, say gcc -o vgamode vgamode.c |
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| 00:22.04 | Moh_ | is there also somebody else from german? |
| 00:22.10 | azeem | !de |
| 00:22.10 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 00:23.01 | tarzeau | TheSayers: if it's fb it'll say 1, otherwise 0 |
| 00:23.06 | themill | Moh_: lots, but this is an English channel. |
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| 00:23.38 | Moh_ | I know, i write also english :-) |
| 00:24.02 | TheSayers | tarzeau: now how do I run it |
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| 00:24.10 | tarzeau | TheSayers: ./vgamode |
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| 00:24.36 | TheSayers | tarzeau: it doesnt seem to work |
| 00:24.46 | tarzeau | TheSayers: are you root? |
| 00:24.54 | TheSayers | tarzeau: yeah it ran clean but |
| 00:25.02 | tarzeau | TheSayers: but? |
| 00:25.07 | TheSayers | nothing happened |
| 00:25.20 | tarzeau | TheSayers: it works here |
| 00:25.28 | TheSayers | well thats there :( |
| 00:25.40 | tarzeau | TheSayers: what happens no output? |
| 00:25.49 | TheSayers | it says Graphics Mode : 0 |
| 00:25.50 | tarzeau | TheSayers: where do you run it? in c-a-f2? |
| 00:25.57 | tarzeau | TheSayers: it works |
| 00:26.04 | tarzeau | TheSayers: it says you've got textmode |
| 00:26.08 | TheSayers | but the font did not get smaller |
| 00:26.12 | tarzeau | TheSayers: and you need to apt-get install svgatextmode |
| 00:26.15 | tarzeau | TheSayers: of course not |
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| 00:26.27 | tarzeau | TheSayers: because you only figured if you're in framebuffer or real textmode |
| 00:26.45 | tarzeau | TheSayers: both require different software to reconfigure the font/resolution |
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| 00:28.03 | TheSayers | tarzeau: alright |
| 00:28.11 | Eteocles | lol my wife said to our son "i dont appreciate you not listening" and he threw a fit on his way to his room: "i DO appreciate YOU!" (hes 4) |
| 00:28.12 | TheSayers | tarzeau: now what with this package |
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| 00:28.18 | tarzeau | TheSayers: svgatextmode can be very painful, depending on your video card |
| 00:28.30 | tarzeau | TheSayers: well which video card do you have? |
| 00:28.47 | TheSayers | tarzeau: uhm, I got it from my lug... |
| 00:28.59 | tarzeau | TheSayers: but what video card is it? |
| 00:29.11 | tarzeau | TheSayers: lspci or ree can be of help to find out |
| 00:29.13 | TheSayers | not quite sure |
| 00:29.21 | tarzeau | TheSayers: run lspci | grep VGA |
| 00:29.50 | tarzeau | TheSayers: then have fun reading /etc/TextConfig |
| 00:29.51 | TheSayers | Matrox Graphics |
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| 00:30.08 | themill | eeep! |
| 00:30.12 | kanzure | What's the Debian equivalent to Windows' HOSTS file? |
| 00:30.16 | tarzeau | TheSayers: which matrox? |
| 00:30.21 | tarzeau | kanzure: /etc/hosts |
| 00:30.22 | themill | kanzure: /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:30.34 | kanzure | I do not know how to edit this file, tarzeau / themill |
| 00:30.38 | kanzure | Any explanation would be nice :) |
| 00:30.43 | kanzure | I need to say that "Localhost = mydomain.com" |
| 00:30.48 | kanzure | because mydomain.com does not work within my network (only outside) |
| 00:30.49 | kanzure | heh |
| 00:30.50 | themill | kanzure: man 5 hosts |
| 00:30.50 | tarzeau | kanzure: man 5 hosts |
| 00:30.52 | kanzure | okay |
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| 00:31.02 | TheSayers | tarzeau: MGA 2064W |
| 00:31.07 | tarzeau | kanzure: say it to whom? |
| 00:31.07 | themill | hmmm.... nasty echo in here, tarzeau.... |
| 00:31.29 | kanzure | It looks like man wants me to use \n"my_IP mydomain.com" |
| 00:31.37 | kanzure | Does that sound right? |
| 00:31.40 | tarzeau | kanzure: no |
| 00:31.50 | kanzure | but that's what the examples show :( |
| 00:31.56 | tarzeau | kanzure: or yes if you drop \n" |
| 00:32.02 | TheSayers | kanzure: what are you trying to exactly? |
| 00:32.16 | tarzeau | kanzure: but to whom should it resolve? to this single computer? |
| 00:32.20 | kanzure | TheSayers: Have you ever had a crappy router that wouldn't let you have a domain name? |
| 00:32.22 | kanzure | tarzeau: yeah |
| 00:32.34 | kanzure | TheSayers: So what I do is I go around within my network and modify the hosts files ... yeah. |
| 00:32.38 | TheSayers | kanzure: no |
| 00:32.43 | tarzeau | kanzure: did you mess with /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 00:32.48 | kanzure | tarzeau: no |
| 00:32.54 | tarzeau | kanzure: no problems either (well not using crappy routers) |
| 00:33.07 | tarzeau | kanzure: can you paste your full name from /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:33.12 | kanzure | why would I have to |
| 00:33.14 | kanzure | I think I've got it |
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| 00:34.42 | kanzure | Hmm.. I still get failed "Unknown host" when trying to send an email to root@mydomain.com after modifying my hosts file properly |
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| 00:35.16 | themill | kanzure: the hosts file has nothing to do with email.... |
| 00:35.23 | kanzure | themill: Right, but it has something to do with DNS |
| 00:35.25 | kanzure | at least locally |
| 00:35.40 | tarzeau | kanzure: yes and dns has mx records |
| 00:35.49 | kanzure | yeah? well, my router must ignore them or something |
| 00:36.00 | kanzure | because without modifying the hosts file, every time I go to mydomain.com I go to the router config page instead |
| 00:36.01 | tarzeau | kanzure: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 00:36.09 | kanzure | but everybody outside the network gets to go my HTTP server |
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| 00:36.15 | tarzeau | kanzure: do you really have mydomain.com ? |
| 00:36.21 | kanzure | tarzeau: haha, no :) |
| 00:36.24 | kanzure | http://heybryan.org/ is me |
| 00:36.26 | tarzeau | kanzure: can you not just tell the full line in /etc/hosts ? |
| 00:36.31 | kanzure | the full line is: |
| 00:36.34 | kanzure | 192.168.11.4 heybryan.org |
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| 00:36.39 | Asmooh | does XMMS anno 2007 playes movies? |
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| 00:37.13 | tarzeau | kanzure: you've got an MX record that doesn't resolve |
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| 00:37.19 | tarzeau | kanzure: heybryan.org MX 10 mail.heybryan.org |
| 00:37.24 | tarzeau | kanzure: mail.heybryan.org does not exist, try again |
| 00:37.38 | kanzure | I didn't think I need a subdomain |
| 00:37.49 | tarzeau | kanzure: but you need a working mx record |
| 00:37.52 | themill | kanzure: it's not a subdomain, it's your mail exchanger record. |
| 00:38.12 | kanzure | hmm |
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| 00:38.52 | kanzure | and the MX record I update with whoever his hosting stuff like my CNAME information etc. right? |
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| 00:38.59 | themill | kanzure: whoever set up your dns for your hosting did a crappy job... |
| 00:39.07 | kanzure | eh |
| 00:39.13 | kanzure | I am clueless |
| 00:39.36 | Nyle_ | hm |
| 00:39.38 | themill | kanzure: an MX record shouldn't actually point to a CNAME.... but you can get away with it |
| 00:40.20 | kanzure | according to the website I use to manage my subdomain records, I do in fact have a mail.heybryan.org that is 'registered' (or whatever- please excuse my terminology) |
| 00:40.41 | signature16 | ANybody know how to make a VNC server "View Only"? |
| 00:40.45 | kanzure | "Type: MX; Domain: heybryan.org; Address: 10:mail.heybryan.org" |
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| 00:41.15 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if there is a package for the nintendo ds dev kit ? |
| 00:41.18 | kanzure | I still don't see how this matters because my internal network doesn't look at the outside world for information on my domain name anyway |
| 00:41.21 | themill | kanzure: that only defines that mail should go to a server named mail.heybryan.org, it doesn't define what that server is. |
| 00:41.35 | themill | kanzure: all email delivery will look for the MX record |
| 00:41.51 | themill | kanzure: you need to have mail.heybryan.org actually resolving to an IP address, and have that machine accepting mail for you |
| 00:41.58 | kanzure | yeah? |
| 00:42.00 | kanzure | How do I set this up ? |
| 00:42.14 | tarzeau | kanzure: /etc/hosts files don't handle mx record queries |
| 00:42.17 | Asmooh | wich video player plays video from SMB:// ? |
| 00:42.47 | tarzeau | but then you already have a dns server doing that, now you only need mail.heybryan.org in your /etc/hosts |
| 00:42.58 | tarzeau | but nobody can send you mail, who don't have your /etc/hosts |
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| 00:43.13 | tarzeau | Asmooh: got an example smb url? |
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| 00:43.50 | kanzure | tarzeau: I understand that /etc/hosts is local; but I do not understand what my MX records has to do with my internal emailing settings, but you've also brought to my attention the fact that I can't send from gmail.com to heybryan.org any email .. so how would I go about fixing that? |
| 00:43.56 | kanzure | (but heybryan.org -> gmail works, cool) |
| 00:44.03 | Asmooh | hm no, i created one in gnome with > location > connect to server > windows share and have it on my desktop now |
| 00:44.07 | themill | kanzure: you need to add an entry in your dns server to map mail.heybryan.org to your ISPs mail server |
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| 00:44.17 | kanzure | my ISP? Why my ISP. |
| 00:44.37 | tarzeau | kanzure: resolve mail.heybryan.org in your dns servers |
| 00:44.55 | themill | kanzure: well, you need it to go to someone who is going to accept that mail... I'm presuming that it will be some form of hosting or service provider. Your choice. |
| 00:44.57 | tarzeau | kanzure: and make sure they can be reached |
| 00:44.58 | Asmooh | or can i mount an SMB to a dir? |
| 00:45.01 | kanzure | huh? I thought the DNS servers were what hosted the string 'mail.heybryan.org' and pointed it towards my IP address |
| 00:45.14 | tarzeau | kanzure: i don't think 192.168.11.4 is routed |
| 00:45.14 | kanzure | themill: I was hoping to keep my mail local |
| 00:45.19 | tarzeau | Asmooh: yes |
| 00:45.24 | Asmooh | how? :) |
| 00:45.31 | themill | kanzure: as I said before ALL email that is non-local (i.e. if it has an @ in it) requires an MX record. |
| 00:45.36 | kanzure | right |
| 00:45.37 | tarzeau | Asmooh: mount -t smbfs -o iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=cp850,username=X,password=Y //somehost/someshare /mnt |
| 00:45.40 | kanzure | and I already have an MX record |
| 00:45.41 | kanzure | as I explained |
| 00:45.47 | kanzure | but evidently it's not sufficient or something? |
| 00:45.51 | tarzeau | kanzure: now get a real ip address |
| 00:45.59 | kanzure | right, and do what? |
| 00:46.05 | Asmooh | oh id didnt had samba installed on my desktop i see |
| 00:46.10 | Asmooh | but im goint to test it :) thx |
| 00:46.25 | themill | kanzure: but your MX record points nowhere.... |
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| 00:46.31 | ibanex | hi, i just installed from Kenshi Muto's 2.6.23 etch CD and was wondering whats the best way to get the kernel headers for 2.6.23 |
| 00:46.47 | kanzure | On the DNS site I use, I have a form asking me for Type(MX)/Subdomain(blank)/Domain(heybryan.org)/Address(10:mail.heybryan.org) .. and that's it. So what am I missing? |
| 00:47.03 | tarzeau | kanzure: read: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 00:47.07 | kanzure | alright |
| 00:47.19 | tarzeau | ibanex: build them yourself using make-kpkg (from kernel-package) pkg? |
| 00:47.26 | themill | kanzure: please read some background material. Perhaps you'll believe it there since you don't believe us. |
| 00:47.38 | kanzure | believe *what* |
| 00:47.45 | tarzeau | kanzure: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
| 00:47.47 | kanzure | you haven't told me a thing except that my MX record is not really an MX record |
| 00:47.57 | themill | kanzure: You need to map mail.heybryan.org to an IP address. |
| 00:48.18 | kanzure | And I'd do this mapping with the site where I am reading my MX data, right? |
| 00:48.33 | Asmooh | doesnt work tarzeau |
| 00:48.39 | ibanex | tarzeau: okay thanks |
| 00:48.42 | Asmooh | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.30/SDA |
| 00:48.46 | Tramp | kanzure: right. As far as I see "afraid.org" who or whatever that is. |
| 00:48.47 | tarzeau | Asmooh: it works for me |
| 00:48.51 | tarzeau | Asmooh: try -t smbfs |
| 00:49.02 | Asmooh | i have |
| 00:49.07 | kanzure | Tramp: Okay. |
| 00:49.10 | Asmooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.20 | tarzeau | Asmooh: drop iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=cp850,username=,password= |
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| 00:49.27 | tarzeau | Asmooh: and drop -o too |
| 00:49.29 | kanzure | heh, the guide that you guys have been linking to me says: "Your MX records MUST NOT point to an IP address" |
| 00:49.36 | tarzeau | Asmooh: does SDA exist? a directory where you are? |
| 00:49.55 | Asmooh | yes i created an dir on my desktop with SDA |
| 00:50.04 | Asmooh | the share on my server is also SDA |
| 00:50.06 | tarzeau | kanzure: so? |
| 00:50.06 | themill | kanzure: that's correct.. your MX record is the one you have. It must point to a machine name. You must then map that machine name to an IP address. |
| 00:51.25 | kanzure | themill: Maybe it's impossible with the DNS service I am using. There's not enough form fields for me to fill all of this out. |
| 00:52.02 | yigal | does anyone know of an irc network devoted to purely non-work related use - like talking about belly button lint, or sleeping, eating etc.? |
| 00:52.04 | themill | kanzure: then either you are using their fields incorrectly or they are a bunch of idiots who don't understand the name system. |
| 00:52.09 | Asmooh | hmm |
| 00:52.09 | Asmooh | s |
| 00:52.15 | Asmooh | still cannot mount it |
| 00:52.16 | Asmooh | :/ |
| 00:52.19 | wols_ | yigal: quakenet ? |
| 00:52.33 | tarzeau | yigal: yes |
| 00:52.56 | yigal | wols_: tarzeau: isn't quakenet just for gamers? |
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| 00:53.12 | wols_ | is "games" work-related now? |
| 00:53.27 | kanzure | themill: http://heybryan.org/shots/mx.png <-- That's what I see. Are they idiots? |
| 00:53.38 | Tramp | kanzure: you were able to point "www...." to an address. Just do the same with "mail...." |
| 00:53.46 | wols_ | kanzure: do you actually have a dedicated MX whihc is different from your domain? |
| 00:53.49 | yigal | well I will have to check it out, I need to socialize and am too much of a geek to identify with humans |
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| 00:54.04 | kanzure | wols_: No? I was going to host both apache and my mail server on a single box. |
| 00:54.37 | kanzure | Tramp: Ah, maybe in that PNG screenshot I just linked to, I should not say "mail.heybryan.org" and just put an IP address instead? |
| 00:54.37 | themill | kanzure: how did you may www.heybryan.org to 70.113.54.112? |
| 00:54.56 | kanzure | themill: Hold on. Opera is acting up. But it was a form very similar to the shot I just linked to. |
| 00:55.20 | kanzure | Exactly the same, actually. And for 'address' I inserted my IP address. |
| 00:55.21 | Tramp | kanzure: No. This is for the MX. This is fine, you did it. Now just make a mapping like you did for www in some other menu |
| 00:55.23 | themill | kanzure: no, you must put a machine name in that form you just sent us the screenshot for, |
| 00:56.00 | themill | kanzure: Tramp is spot on... just make another entry for mail pointing to your IP address. |
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| 00:56.07 | kanzure | oh |
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| 00:56.34 | themill | kanzure: Or... just change the MX entry to www.heybryan.org it's a little "unusual" but it will work. |
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| 00:58.33 | themill | kanzure: Technically, you are required to use the machine's real name (it's A record) not an alias (CNAME) for the MX record. But only a few admins actually enforce that restriction these days, and they need to get out more ;) |
| 00:59.41 | kanzure | Alright. Updated to 'www.heybryan.org' instead of 'mail.heybryan.org' Let's see if this works- a proper test would be for me to mail some user @thedomain, right? |
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| 01:00.50 | themill | kanzure: ok, that update is now visible. Is your local mail server ready to accept mail? |
| 01:01.00 | kanzure | Should be. :) |
| 01:01.19 | themill | kanzure: then that should work ok. let the spam start rolling in ;( |
| 01:01.29 | kanzure | Nope. Message was not received.. Hm. |
| 01:01.33 | kanzure | but it didn't bounce, either |
| 01:01.37 | Tramp | kanzure: The information may take time to propagate. |
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| 01:02.14 | Tramp | kanzure: You may succeed in sending from somewhere you did not try to send from recently. |
| 01:02.29 | themill | kanzure: your mail server doesn't appear to have port 25 open. i.e. it can't receive mail |
| 01:02.43 | kanzure | themill: ! /me goes to check router |
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| 01:03.57 | kanzure | themill: Now? |
| 01:04.12 | themill | Yep. |
| 01:04.22 | themill | kanzure: btw are you running knoppix not debian? |
| 01:04.36 | kanzure | I'm running Debian |
| 01:04.40 | themill | 220-Knoppix Smail-3.2.0.115 (#2 2006-Apr-21) |
| 01:04.41 | kanzure | In a weird, sick, and twisted way |
| 01:05.05 | kanzure | I'm pretty sure I did some awesome apt-updates that converted me over to Debian |
| 01:05.07 | \amethyst | pwgen can be so offensive sometimes |
| 01:05.53 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:06.10 | kanzure | Well. I am still not receiving mail. |
| 01:07.03 | Asmooh | how do i restart samba :/ |
| 01:07.12 | Asmooh | there isnt a /etc/init.d/samba* |
| 01:07.30 | xoz | smb |
| 01:07.47 | Asmooh | also not |
| 01:08.26 | themill | kanzure: your configuration thinks that everyone is trying to relay mail.... |
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| 01:09.52 | dalias | smail should be taken out back |
| 01:10.05 | kanzure | Should I bother to install something else, or just go reconfigure? |
| 01:10.07 | themill | kanzure: you need to unconfuse your smail |
| 01:10.11 | themill | 550-5.7.1 The address <bryan@heybryan.org> was not accepted. |
| 01:10.16 | dalias | it's basically unmaintained since almost 10 years ago |
| 01:10.18 | kanzure | themill: Try bbishop |
| 01:10.27 | kanzure | dalias: Ouch. I did not realize this. |
| 01:10.30 | themill | 550-5.7.1 Reason given was: (ERR_104) security violation: remote address 'my.ip.ad.dress' is not permitted to relay mail. |
| 01:10.32 | kanzure | How about postfix? |
| 01:10.36 | dalias | exim4 or postfix should be used |
| 01:10.51 | themill | kanzure: postfix is good and fast, exim is the debian default and is simple to set up |
| 01:10.53 | rocketmagnet | where can i find the nintendo ds lib - libnds for debian ?? |
| 01:10.54 | itchi | Heh, where's vlc gone in testing? |
| 01:11.04 | dalias | nintendo ds lib? |
| 01:11.05 | themill | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 01:11.05 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 01:11.06 | dalias | wtf is that? |
| 01:11.20 | itchi | Asmooh: Are you sure samba is been installed? |
| 01:11.36 | Asmooh | yea |
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| 01:11.43 | Asmooh | now it is |
| 01:12.01 | itchi | hhhmmm "hal is only 9 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in." |
| 01:12.15 | Asmooh | but it cant find my network |
| 01:12.17 | Asmooh | or my server |
| 01:12.19 | itchi | Can i crack the time? :-p |
| 01:12.49 | themill | itchi: the libcaca thing will keep it out until it's manually hinted through anyway |
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| 01:13.22 | themill | itchi: britney doesn't understand that 0.99.beta12 > 0.99.beta4. Which is fair enough really... |
| 01:14.01 | dalias | :( |
| 01:14.11 | itchi | Weird |
| 01:14.24 | itchi | Asmooh: Hold on |
| 01:14.24 | dalias | someone needs to fix the version string it seems.. |
| 01:14.30 | themill | itchi: yep. It's been that way for quite a while now. I think someone needs a kick in the backside |
| 01:14.30 | Asmooh | its working itchi |
| 01:14.31 | Asmooh | ;) |
| 01:14.45 | itchi | themill: If a key may help :-p |
| 01:14.50 | itchi | bah, kick |
| 01:14.57 | itchi | Asmooh: Cool :-) |
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| 01:15.47 | kanzure | Postfix installed :) |
| 01:16.05 | themill | kanzure: now configure and run it ;) |
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| 01:17.35 | kanzure | themill: Nope :( |
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| 01:18.39 | themill | well, your machine just accepted an email from me... |
| 01:18.44 | kanzure | themill: But got an email from you ... hm. But not my gmail account? |
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| 01:19.17 | themill | kanzure: these things take time.... gmail may be caching old MX data whereas I just did the test manually. |
| 01:19.35 | themill | kanzure: smtp is a language that one learns.... |
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| 01:20.25 | kanzure | btw, nice domain name- I see you too have an interest in the nanosciences |
| 01:20.31 | Asmooh | hm |
| 01:20.49 | Asmooh | i think im not going to see ghost whisperer otherwish my gf is gonna be mad :P |
| 01:21.06 | themill | kanzure: so gmail will eventually sort itself out but it might take a few hours. Places that have already had failures will take a while to resolve those failures while places that you've never talked to you before will work first time. |
| 01:21.19 | kanzure | Alright. |
| 01:21.44 | themill | kanzure: good luck with it! |
| 01:21.52 | themill | night all! |
| 01:21.54 | kanzure | themill: Did you get my reply? |
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| 01:22.35 | sayers | alsamixer |
| 01:22.36 | sayers | No mixer elems found |
| 01:22.42 | sayers | What in the world does that mean? |
| 01:23.46 | themill | kanzure: not yet, but mail does take time to filter through.... do you have your outgoing smtp server setup? You probably should set it up as a smarthost using the rr.com mail servers rather than directly sending to everyone. |
| 01:24.09 | themill | kanzure: anyway, well past bedtime for me.... |
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| 01:24.20 | kanzure | themill: -Can you drop me some terms to do my outgoing? i.e., what programs etc.? |
| 01:24.31 | kanzure | My MTA is supposed to be set up ... but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 01:24.40 | themill | postfix will do it for you. smart host is the method to use. |
| 01:24.46 | kanzure | alright, thank you :) |
| 01:24.48 | kanzure | good night |
| 01:25.00 | themill | ciao |
| 01:25.03 | themill | dpkg: g'night |
| 01:25.03 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
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| 01:29.02 | ttz | I there. I've just installed a Debian Etch, using a 128 Mb primary for /boot and a 60 Gb partition for LVM on which I've created a bunch of lv for / /usr /var and so one. I've asked to installe GRUB in the primary boot sector, but when my computer boots, I get "No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key" |
| 01:29.32 | dondelelcaro | ttz: do you have the boot partition marked as bootable? |
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| 01:29.57 | ttz | dondelelcaro: hm, no I don't remember to have done so... |
| 01:29.59 | dondelelcaro | ttz: fdisk -l /dev/sda; (or whatever it is) to check |
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| 01:30.12 | ttz | dondelelcaro: ok I'm checking it right now. |
| 01:30.20 | dondelelcaro | ttz: assuming you stuck grub there instead of in the mbr, that's required |
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| 01:30.38 | dondelelcaro | (you also have to have stuck it on a drive that the bios is capable of booting) |
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| 01:31.01 | ttz | dondelelcaro: Do you know if it's possible to do this from Debian CD rescue mode? |
| 01:31.17 | dondelelcaro | ttz: yeah; just use fdisk or cfdisk to toggle the boot flag |
| 01:31.28 | ttz | ok |
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| 01:31.37 | dondelelcaro | ttz: worst case you can even mount your install and use its copy of fdisk or cfdisk |
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| 01:33.53 | itchi | When i try to mount an nfs share i get the error: mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. \n Either use '-o nolocks' to keep locks local, or start statd. What's going wrong? The setup worked for ages |
| 01:33.56 | \amethyst | is there a simple commmand to determine whether the current machine's terminfo and/or termcap database contains a particular terminal? |
| 01:34.01 | ttz | dondelelcaro: Debian rescue mode provides fdisk, I've set /boot as bootable and Grub instantly worked. Thank you very much for you kind help. :) |
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| 01:34.21 | \amethyst | I'd like to avoid poking around in the directories because that's not portable |
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| 01:36.40 | itchi | I tried both -o and to start statd but still doesn't want to go |
| 01:36.48 | dondelelcaro | ttz: np |
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| 01:38.09 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: setterm -term footerm; is probably a reasonable way to go |
| 01:38.47 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you've got a version of nfs-cmmon which doesn't start statd. |
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| 01:39.17 | itchi | dondelelcaro: On the server side or the client? |
| 01:39.45 | dondelelcaro | itchi: upgrade to a version which does; see http://bugs.debian.org/448668; client side. |
| 01:39.45 | itchi | dondelelcaro: And how do i start that? I tried rpc.statd too but :-s |
| 01:39.46 | dondelelcaro | (well, almost certainly that's the problem) |
| 01:40.04 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I guess, i upgraded it recently |
| 01:40.33 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, if you have a version that's >= 1:1.1.1-4 and << 1:1.1.1-7, you're buggy. |
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| 01:41.17 | itchi | dondelelcaro: 1:1.1.1~git-20070929-1 :-s |
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| 01:41.29 | cire | hi, is there something similar to computertemp for kde? I just need a mini program which shows current temperature. |
| 01:42.20 | debian-is-me | hello |
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| 01:42.22 | Bac9 | can anyone here do some ping tests with me, preferably someone who can test that they do actually receive an ICMP3:4? |
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| 01:42.49 | freeflyheu | is anyone tell me how can i apt-get the GNU Math process |
| 01:43.22 | dondelelcaro | itchi: oh, that's testing's version. |
| 01:43.31 | itchi | dondelelcaro: On the client side, yes |
| 01:43.36 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Server runs stable |
| 01:43.44 | debian-is-me | Does anyone know if 1 min and 40 sec boottime on an amd duron 600mhz is too much? |
| 01:43.55 | dondelelcaro | debian-is-me: that's fairly reasonable |
| 01:43.59 | dondelelcaro | freeflyheu: which gnu math process? |
| 01:44.11 | debian-is-me | I want it to be faster |
| 01:44.38 | dondelelcaro | debian-is-me: there are a few howtos about it, but generally you shouldn't be booting your machine all that often, so it shouldn't matter much. |
| 01:44.51 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Do you know how i can start that manually? |
| 01:44.58 | debian-is-me | But I'm wasting power on leaving it on |
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| 01:45.24 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ok, so first thing is to /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart; and see if rpc.statd is running after that |
| 01:45.35 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Tried that :-s |
| 01:45.36 | debian-is-me | So I should use it less? That would be booring. |
| 01:45.53 | itchi | That was my reflex :-s |
| 01:45.59 | dondelelcaro | no, the point is that you should consider using stuff like suspend2 or similar |
| 01:46.14 | freeflyheu | which, i couldn't know how to say, when i make LFS, there is an error about that, some one tell me maybe i should install gmp. but when i apt-cache search, there are a lot about gmp. i couldn't how to do next |
| 01:46.31 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, if you like to boot alot, there are howtos on speeding up the process; search for debian boot speed dash; and you should find it. |
| 01:46.37 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It's statd that start, does that matters? |
| 01:46.48 | dondelelcaro | itchi: did it actually start? |
| 01:46.53 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah |
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| 01:47.02 | itchi | dondelelcaro: "Starting NFS common utilities: statd idmapd" |
| 01:47.07 | karmatronic | men this stage6 rules |
| 01:47.14 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, check with ps axfu|grep statd; to make sure it actually started it |
| 01:47.22 | dondelelcaro | (and didn't just claim to start it) |
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| 01:48.02 | debian-is-me | What is dash and what does it do? |
| 01:48.15 | azeem | wikipede it |
| 01:48.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian-is-me, its a minimalist posix shell |
| 01:48.20 | itchi | dondelelcaro: It been start up |
| 01:48.40 | kc8sbv | how can I stop etch kernel from detecting sound and loading wrong sound modules? |
| 01:48.42 | debian-is-me | ok, that is good. |
| 01:48.54 | dondelelcaro | itchi: ok, and mount still fails? |
| 01:49.01 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah :-( |
| 01:49.12 | dondelelcaro | itchi: and rpc.statd is running on the server? |
| 01:49.16 | Tramp | itchi: what gives rpcinfo -p? |
| 01:49.19 | debian-is-me | How can I make the wireless usb driver not make my system laggy? |
| 01:49.39 | Tramp | itchi: and rpcinfo -p <IP of server> |
| 01:49.41 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Shall i execute that manuall that rpc.statd? |
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| 01:50.07 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you don't need to; the init scripts will take care of it. Running rpcinfo -p; as Tramp suggests is also useful. |
| 01:50.24 | dondelelcaro | (possible that portmapper isn't running) |
| 01:50.42 | itchi | Tramp & dondelelcaro http://pastebin.ca/759363 |
| 01:50.44 | Tramp | itchi: you want "status" on both client and server |
| 01:51.16 | Tramp | itchi: that's the server. and the client? |
| 01:51.31 | itchi | rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused |
| 01:51.42 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you need to /etc/init.d/portmapper start; |
| 01:51.45 | karmatronic | kc8sbv: blacklist |
| 01:51.54 | dondelelcaro | s/per// |
| 01:52.12 | dondelelcaro | kc8sbv: is there any particular reason why you're not loading them? |
| 01:52.23 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Seems not to be installed :-s |
| 01:52.26 | kc8sbv | when I load alsa, gets into endless look |
| 01:52.29 | dondelelcaro | itchi: well, you need it. |
| 01:52.29 | kc8sbv | when I load alsa, gets into endless loop |
| 01:52.47 | kc8sbv | I will lsmod and blacklist |
| 01:52.49 | itchi | dondelelcaro: oh, it's portmap |
| 01:52.58 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah. |
| 01:53.07 | dondelelcaro | itchi: you missed the s/per//; ;-) |
| 01:53.23 | itchi | dondelelcaro: :-p |
| 01:54.25 | itchi | Still doesn't start with the same error: i paste the client side on the same post http://pastebin.ca/759367 |
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| 01:55.21 | itchi | oh wait |
| 01:56.04 | itchi | Tramp & dondelelcaro : I restarted nfs-common after the restart of portmap and now my nfs-share is mounted |
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| 01:56.27 | itchi | Yeah! Seems to be fixed :-p |
| 01:56.43 | itchi | Tramp & dondelelcaro: Thanks you very much ;-) |
| 01:56.49 | dondelelcaro | itchi: cool. Yeah, something killed of portmap (or it didn't start) and that was your problem |
| 01:57.06 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I guess after my update of today or so |
| 01:57.11 | Tramp | itchi: ok. Note, that both of your systems seem to be configured as NFS servers. Just as a remark. |
| 01:57.12 | debian-is-me | Do I need portmap? |
| 01:57.21 | itchi | Tramp: Yeah :-p |
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| 01:57.34 | debian-is-me | Or does it only slow down the system? |
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| 01:58.26 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason not to have portmap, unless you never plan on using any rpc or nfs. |
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| 01:58.44 | dondelelcaro | (since by default it only binds to localhost, and is pathetically small) |
| 01:58.51 | jelly-home | debian-is-me: why don't you do a base install, then build up from there instead of going the other way? |
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| 01:59.08 | KB3LLM | anny reccommendations on a good linux firewall package? |
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| 01:59.21 | debian-is-me | Because then I loose all my desktop games |
| 01:59.27 | itchi | Tramp: The "client" is in sync with the server. But i may soon remove this, using rsnapshots now |
| 01:59.53 | Tramp | itchi: ah, ok 8) |
| 01:59.58 | KB3LLM | ?? |
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| 02:00.13 | dondelelcaro | KB3LLM: I personally like ipmasq; but I write my own rules, so YMMV. |
| 02:00.19 | debian-is-me | So I can safely remove portmap? |
| 02:00.31 | dondelelcaro | debian-is-me: just mark it as automatically installed. |
| 02:00.52 | dondelelcaro | (hell, you can mark anything that you aren't sure whether you want as automatically installed) |
| 02:01.09 | debian-is-me | and that would do what? |
| 02:01.11 | itchi | Cool, i can continue to work on my files :-p |
| 02:01.17 | dalias | portmap shoudl always be removed unless you use nfs |
| 02:01.26 | dalias | and why the hell is it still installed by default?!?!?! |
| 02:01.27 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to |
| 02:01.37 | dalias | dondelelcaro, it may have a vuln in it |
| 02:01.38 | jelly-home | or that Gnome bit that uses it |
| 02:01.53 | dondelelcaro | dalias: that's why it runs on localhost only by default |
| 02:01.56 | dalias | running network daemons you don't need is utter stupidity |
| 02:02.04 | dalias | then a local vuln... |
| 02:02.04 | jelly-home | also, openbsd-inetd can perfectly well serve rpc services too. |
| 02:02.05 | dalias | still bad |
| 02:02.12 | dondelelcaro | dalias: it doesn't run as root, either. |
| 02:02.17 | dalias | and wtf is the use of portmap if it's only on localhost? |
| 02:02.28 | dondelelcaro | dalias: for nfs clients? |
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| 02:02.37 | dalias | the only use is nfs stuff, and nfs to localhost seems dumb... |
| 02:02.52 | Tramp | nis? |
| 02:02.56 | dalias | nfs |
| 02:03.00 | dondelelcaro | dalias: uh... you need it for nfs clients, and some bits of gnome, and anything else that uses RPC. |
| 02:03.04 | Tramp | Yeah. I mean NIS. |
| 02:03.11 | jelly-home | dalias: check out sfs sometime, it uses nfs to localhost. |
| 02:03.21 | dalias | jelly-home, why??? |
| 02:03.28 | Tramp | or NIS+ - not sure if it's supported on debian though. |
| 02:03.32 | haggz | It's just part of the standard architecture, like having some kind of MTA available for software that expects it, I thought. |
| 02:03.34 | debian-is-me | Yeah, why does debian install that crap? I don't need openbsd, nfs, portmap, or alsa. I thought this was a server os, what kinda server needs sound? exsept sound servers? |
| 02:03.39 | dalias | nfs has fundamental flaws and severe bugs in the linux implementation |
| 02:03.44 | dalias | like the fact that O_EXCL does not work |
| 02:04.07 | dondelelcaro | debian-is-me: because most people expect a system that actually does useful things. You don't have to install any of it if you don't want to. |
| 02:04.24 | jelly-home | dalias: you needed that feature in real life? |
| 02:04.24 | dalias | portmap should definitely not be in the base/required packages |
| 02:04.39 | dalias | things that need it should just have the proper dependency |
| 02:04.46 | dalias | jelly-home, absolutely |
| 02:04.47 | dondelelcaro | no, but it certainly should be in Priority: standard, which it is |
| 02:04.50 | debian-is-me | It didn't warn me about usless things, how many debian users needs a bittorrent tracker on their server? |
| 02:04.57 | dalias | O_EXCL not working creates critical vulns in all sorts of apps |
| 02:04.58 | dondelelcaro | since a standard unix system should be able to mount NFS shares |
| 02:05.20 | dalias | it's the only way to safely create a file without possibly getting hit by a race exploit |
| 02:05.33 | jelly-home | dalias: I'd suggest taking it up with debian-policy, or wherever |
| 02:05.36 | dalias | it's also necessary for many kinds of locking |
| 02:05.46 | debian-is-me | why not use samba? |
| 02:05.58 | debian-is-me | It is 2.5 times faster than windows 2003 |
| 02:06.18 | dondelelcaro | why would I use SMB or CIFS when I'm dealing with all unix machines? |
| 02:06.19 | itchi | ah, i use NFS to share my stuff to my clients :-s |
| 02:06.22 | jelly-home | whining on irc never accomplished anything |
| 02:06.23 | dalias | dondelelcaro, nfs needs to be considered deprecated just like telnet. telnet is not in the base install of debian because it's fundamentally insecure. same goes for nfs |
| 02:06.36 | itchi | With my clients, i mean my PC's |
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| 02:06.54 | jelly-home | nfs works well for us. On Solaris. :-) |
| 02:07.07 | dondelelcaro | dalias: so are most non-encrypted forms of file sharing. |
| 02:07.17 | debian-is-me | If u use solaris, /join #solaris |
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| 02:07.48 | jelly-home | let's kill off ftp and samba too! |
| 02:07.59 | dondelelcaro | dalias: and the trivial counter-example is that telnet is Priority: standard. *telnetd* is not. |
| 02:08.05 | itchi | dalias: Should ftp be removed then? |
| 02:08.17 | haggz | dalias: do you actually think there is a remote vulnerability present because in the base stable system installed via standard procedure, or just potential vulnerabilities for users who activate nfs shares without security beyond the defaults? |
| 02:08.19 | debian-is-me | why don't we use md5 hash on our networks? |
| 02:08.29 | dalias | smb has secure authentication; file contents can be snooped but you cannot gain write access without an active tcp session hijacking attack |
| 02:08.32 | dondelelcaro | debian-is-me: uh... because we like to read our fiels? |
| 02:09.06 | debian-is-me | I can ue it for passwords? |
| 02:09.19 | dondelelcaro | debian-is-me: yes, but that's nothing to do with reversibly encrypting data |
| 02:09.34 | dalias | dondelelcaro, telnet client is not installed if you run the debian installer and don't select any additional packages |
| 02:09.39 | dto | hi folks. i am learning CDBS. i used dh_make to create a CDBS debian directory inside the source package. now i want to use cdbs-edit-patch to make my patches (mainly just setting some ./configure options before building). where would I add those options in the debian directory? |
| 02:09.48 | dondelelcaro | dalias: it's the exact same priority as portmap. |
| 02:09.51 | dalias | dondelelcaro, but portmap is installed then... |
| 02:09.53 | dalias | weird |
| 02:09.56 | dondelelcaro | !+priority telnet |
| 02:09.58 | dto | i've been reading the manpages and stuff, but i've gotten a little stuck at this point. |
| 02:10.38 | jbm | i think the idea is that telnetd can very clearly make the system running it vulnerable, whereas telnetting to another system makes that system vulnerable (to sniffed password, login, etc) |
| 02:10.41 | dalias | itchi, ftp should not be removed, but it need not be installed by default and should not be used for non-anonymous access |
| 02:11.00 | jbm | of course if you use the same password everywhere .. |
| 02:11.04 | dondelelcaro | jbm: right, but telnet has legitimate uses (as does NFS) |
| 02:11.14 | dalias | haggz, nfs is extremely vulnerable regardless of configuration |
| 02:11.16 | jbm | i'm agreeing with you ;) |
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| 02:11.34 | dalias | imo nfs has no legitimate uses |
| 02:11.49 | dondelelcaro | well, millions of unix users disagree |
| 02:11.51 | jbm | wow... |
| 02:11.52 | jbm | yeah. |
| 02:12.02 | dalias | telnet barely has any, except things like 'telnet to such-and-such port to see a starwars ascii animation' :P |
| 02:12.03 | jelly-home | dalias: now you've gone from "not installed by default" to "not use at all" |
| 02:12.14 | jbm | how about debugging a mail server problem? |
| 02:12.15 | debian-is-me | It isn't millions of unix users |
| 02:12.19 | dalias | jelly-home, i never said debian should try to keep you from using nfs |
| 02:12.22 | debian-is-me | more like 1 million |
| 02:12.26 | dalias | but portmap should not be in the default install |
| 02:12.28 | jelly-home | <dalias> imo nfs has no legitimate uses |
| 02:12.31 | debian-is-me | not more than 1.9999 milions |
| 02:12.35 | jelly-home | rubbish |
| 02:12.46 | debian-is-me | portmap shouldn't be in any install |
| 02:12.49 | jelly-home | we use nfs in prod.env. and it works very well. |
| 02:12.57 | dalias | jelly-home, and it's insecure |
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| 02:13.02 | debian-is-me | it should be more deselectabole than cups |
| 02:13.03 | dalias | anyone on the network can read or write any file |
| 02:13.15 | jelly-home | dalias: yes, it's very insecure on its own network. |
| 02:13.23 | dondelelcaro | dalias: right, that's the critical thing: "Anyone on the network" |
| 02:13.38 | jelly-home | ... |
| 02:13.42 | dalias | dondelelcaro, ever heard of disgruntled employees or trojaned machines? |
| 02:13.58 | dondelelcaro | dalias: on production networks? |
| 02:14.02 | dalias | trusting a whole local network is madness from a security standpoint |
| 02:14.10 | debian-is-me | 'is it trojans for debian? |
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| 02:14.17 | jelly-home | those are not bad for nfs, but for security in general. |
| 02:14.17 | debian-is-me | Are they open-source? |
| 02:14.26 | dondelelcaro | uh... no, all you need to do is deal with the network between the production server and the NFS server |
| 02:14.48 | jelly-home | a disgruntled employee is not an NFS specific vuln. |
| 02:14.57 | dalias | they are |
| 02:14.58 | jelly-home | try something else |
| 02:15.12 | itchi | You may need to allow clients to have access to that nfs share in the /etc/exports |
| 02:15.14 | dondelelcaro | (and even then, there are still methods of restricting access to those specific machines) |
| 02:15.17 | dalias | if they access their files on the server via a protocol that limits them to their own user, they're no problem |
| 02:15.44 | jelly-home | normal users don't have any access to out nfs servers. |
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| 02:15.55 | jelly-home | our* |
| 02:16.00 | dalias | also if they can sniff network traffic it's a problem |
| 02:16.05 | dondelelcaro | sure |
| 02:16.15 | jelly-home | same for samba, oracle, or whatnot. |
| 02:16.22 | dalias | and passive sniffing is even possible if a device can be put near the ethernet cables |
| 02:16.23 | itchi | dalias: The stuff is firewall and goes not over the www |
| 02:16.28 | dalias | _physically_ passive |
| 02:16.29 | dondelelcaro | but then again, it's also trivial to just encapsulate the entire NFS stream in a ssl tunnel anyway |
| 02:16.45 | jelly-home | dalias: that's not specific for nfs in any way |
| 02:16.54 | dalias | jelly-home, it's specific to non-encryped protocols |
| 02:17.05 | debian-is-me | but where can I get debian -stupid-crap-that-only-some-people-need? |
| 02:17.14 | dalias | a connection over which any privileged data travels MUST be encrypted and authenticated securely |
| 02:17.22 | dalias | any failure to do so is a failed security policy |
| 02:17.29 | dondelelcaro | dalias: sure; there's nothing inherit in NFS that disallows that |
| 02:17.34 | itchi | debian-is-me: Avoid the beer, seems to give sad effects :-p |
| 02:17.35 | dalias | ipsec? |
| 02:17.43 | dalias | it's still not authenticated |
| 02:17.45 | pshr | just made a backup of my home/var/etc and so on on xubuntu, gonna switch to debian, wondering if the backup will be ok on debian ? |
| 02:17.45 | jelly-home | dalias: ok, so you think any non-encrypted proto should be thrown out of the base distro? |
| 02:17.50 | dalias | jelly-home, no |
| 02:18.19 | dondelelcaro | dalias: it could very well be authenticated |
| 02:18.21 | jelly-home | if there is one :-| |
| 02:18.25 | debian-is-me | so i should switch to vodka? |
| 02:18.43 | itchi | debian-is-me: Pisang Ambon mate |
| 02:18.55 | debian-is-me | ?? |
| 02:18.55 | dalias | jelly-home, my point is that having unnecessary daemons in the standard install is a bad thing |
| 02:19.00 | haggz | pshr: need more info, are you wondering about transferring your preferences and settings and environment, or ? |
| 02:19.02 | eldowan | debian-is-me: scotch or whiskey, definately |
| 02:19.06 | debian-is-me | ok |
| 02:19.15 | dalias | it's good that it finally runs as non-root and only allows connections from localhost |
| 02:19.38 | jelly-home | dalias: IMHO, for portmap on localhost, that's pretty much a cosmetic issue |
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| 02:20.00 | dalias | but remembering back to the days when every random redhat box had portmap running for no good reason and got rooted by the new weekly portmap vulns, it seems utterly stupid that it's still installed except for people who explicitly need it |
| 02:20.01 | pshr | made a backup with sbackup, backed up /home /etc /var /local |
| 02:20.01 | itchi | debian-is-me: http://www.spirituosenworld.de/produkte/likoer/details/pisang_ambon.html |
| 02:20.24 | pshr | haggz : made a backup with sbackup, backed up /home /etc /var /local |
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| 02:20.36 | itchi | Bah, it's again empty :-p |
| 02:20.52 | dto | suddenly my root partition is full |
| 02:21.10 | wols_ | dto: logs, mail, etc |
| 02:21.47 | dondelelcaro | dalias: that's a valid reason to argue against it running as root or non-localhost, but doesn't really apply to the current situtation |
| 02:21.59 | dalias | i agree the vuln is probably gone now |
| 02:22.02 | jelly-home | dto: /tmp if it's on / ... if it is, check also for deleted but still open files (lsof -n | grep deleted) |
| 02:22.22 | dalias | but there are all sorts of random packages that someone _might_ want, and no reason for all of them to be in the default install |
| 02:22.41 | dondelelcaro | dalias: the number of packages which are Priority: standard is fairly small |
| 02:22.53 | dto | gconfd-2 11855 dto 12wW REG 8,1 602 476093 /tmp/gconfd-dto/lock/0t1194052318ut437968u1000p11855r24878670k3212899048 (deleted) |
| 02:22.57 | dalias | which makes it even more silly that such a useless one as portmap is among them... |
| 02:22.59 | dondelelcaro | dalias: if there are specific ones that you think should no longer be Priority: standard, then file bugs |
| 02:23.09 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: after I looked, I tend to disagree |
| 02:23.52 | jelly-home | dto: that one is just 602 bytes long, not the culprit |
| 02:23.53 | fnma | ATI RAGE 128 Pro is supported in debian PPC ? |
| 02:24.03 | dto | /var/cache is huge |
| 02:24.04 | dondelelcaro | wols_: what, about the packages that are Priority: standard? |
| 02:24.11 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 02:24.12 | dto | so is /var |
| 02:24.13 | dondelelcaro | dto: you probably need to apt-get autoclean; then |
| 02:24.14 | wols_ | fnma: yes |
| 02:24.26 | haggz | pshr: I may be misunderstanding your question, but whether your backup is 'safe' depends on where your backed up data is stored. Debian will format the partition it is installed into so as long as your data backup is stored elsewhere it will be be available. |
| 02:24.40 | dto | dondelelcaro: done |
| 02:24.43 | jelly-home | dto: if there's lots in /var/cache/apt/archives, do what dondelelcaro says |
| 02:25.24 | jelly-home | dto: you can also do "apt-get clean" but you'd need to redownload any packages you wish to install again |
| 02:25.25 | dto | hmm. my / partition is only 6 GB. that's the problem. |
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| 02:25.37 | wols_ | dto: that's penty |
| 02:25.50 | wols_ | *plenty |
| 02:25.56 | dto | ok, now it's at 83% usage |
| 02:26.15 | dto | maybe run "cruft?" |
| 02:26.34 | dto | /usr/share is also huge |
| 02:27.00 | dondelelcaro | wols_: there are 79 standard and 63 required in stable... |
| 02:27.06 | dondelelcaro | s/stable/unstable/ |
| 02:28.21 | dto | is there any way to resize my system partition? or maybe i should start doing builds under /home/dto |
| 02:28.33 | dto | i've been building lots of stuff |
| 02:28.49 | dto | speaking of which, anyone here experienced with CDBS? |
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| 02:29.28 | dondelelcaro | dto: I personally don't use it, but you can just decide which patch system you want to use and include the class for that patch system in your makefile |
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| 02:29.54 | jelly-home | dto: if you have a backup, you can try gparted livecd to resize and move partitions around |
| 02:29.59 | dto | hmm |
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| 02:30.27 | dondelelcaro | dto: the documentation for whatever patch system you decide to use should explain how to add patches and do whatever else you want to do; look at an existing package which uses the patch system you want to use if you're lost. |
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| 02:30.53 | dto | how to patch is not the problem; I want to know which file to patch |
| 02:31.08 | dto | (in order to add arguments to ./configure) |
| 02:32.09 | dondelelcaro | dto: oh, that's configure.ac |
| 02:32.17 | dto | ah, thanks :-) |
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| 02:36.09 | fnma | wols_ What I have to install? |
| 02:36.10 | shaleh | anyone familiar with receiving acpi events from hal instead of using acpid? |
| 02:36.26 | fnma | and in XF86Config what i have put in Driver " " ? |
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| 02:38.58 | dto | dondelelcaro: will cdbs do autoconf for me, or should i add it to some rule? |
| 02:39.24 | dondelelcaro | dto: if you've got the autoconf class loaded, it should do it all automatically |
| 02:39.39 | shaleh | so, is testing relatively safe these days or do I need to use unstable? |
| 02:40.02 | dondelelcaro | it's safer than unstable |
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| 02:41.09 | dto | dondelelcaro: ah, dh_make did that for me :-) |
| 02:41.14 | dto | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help btw |
| 02:42.10 | dondelelcaro | dto: np |
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| 02:44.09 | dto | dondelelcaro: i'm building emacs23, so it has a configure.in, but i'm not sure where to set the configure options (i.e. i just want to tell it to tack on "--with-x-toolkit=lucid --without-gif" and a few other things |
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| 02:44.36 | dondelelcaro | dto: is there any real reason why you aren't starting with the Debian emacs packages? |
| 02:44.56 | dto | i always build Emacs from CVS HEAD |
| 02:45.13 | dondelelcaro | dto: that's fine, but you can use the emacs packages as a basis |
| 02:45.31 | dondelelcaro | (since they do a lot of things that you won't get for free) |
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| 02:46.31 | dto | are you suggesting I do apt-get source emacs22, then make changes to that and rebuild the deb with debuild? or do you mean I should copy and tweak the emacs22 debian directory? |
| 02:47.15 | dto | i'm more tempted to just do it from scratch. 1. I have to learn how to do it anyway, because some of the things I am packaging don't have existing debian packages. |
| 02:47.20 | dto | 2. |
| 02:47.24 | dondelelcaro | dto: I mean apt-get source emacs22; cd emacs22-*; uupdate ../emacs23.orig.tar.gz; |
| 02:47.34 | dto | uupdate? i'll have to look that up |
| 02:47.36 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever is appropriate) |
| 02:47.40 | dto | i'm always looking for the lazy way to do it :-) |
| 02:47.45 | dto | dondelelcaro: ok back in a few |
| 02:47.55 | dondelelcaro | as far as learning to package, it's best to start with something simple |
| 02:48.30 | dto | i've already made a working emacs23 deb, a lowlatency kernel deb, and a bunch of others. i'm just trying to |
| 02:48.45 | dto | i'm just trying to convert things to CDBS before it gets any larger |
| 02:48.49 | dondelelcaro | making a working one is pretty easy, the problem is getting it to work with everythign |
| 02:50.05 | dondelelcaro | (since there are all of the neat things like auctex, ess modes, etc. that work with emacs but aren't part of the upstream distribution) |
| 02:50.21 | dto | yeah |
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| 02:51.18 | dto | my pals on #emacs have been working on ELPA (emacs lisp package archive) and a custom packaging system implemented in elisp. but I think we should replace the package format with dpkg. |
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| 02:51.45 | dto | anyway, i'm creating a sort of emacs-centered distro (stumpwm, snd, conkeror, and other emacs-inspired stuff) |
| 02:51.54 | dto | so i need to use the most automatic lazy packaging stuff |
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| 02:52.18 | dondelelcaro | heh. well, any of the packaging methods can be made pretty automatic |
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| 02:56.04 | dto | ok now i did the uupdate... but the new package is still called emacs22 |
| 02:57.30 | dto | ah, never mind |
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| 03:04.26 | fnma | wols ? |
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| 03:06.38 | dalias | dto, is there any good source for emacs23 debs? |
| 03:06.49 | dalias | i just built my own emacs23 in /usr/local but a deb would be nicer |
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| 03:08.21 | wols | fnma: hm? |
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| 03:09.38 | dto | dalias: i will give you my script that you can use to make a deb. as soon as i finish it... |
| 03:09.40 | dto | what's your email? |
| 03:09.48 | dalias | dalias@aerifal.cx |
| 03:09.57 | dto | in my logs now |
| 03:10.00 | dto | i log everything |
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| 03:11.30 | grassroot | Donald_Rumsfled whats wrong with your caps lock... it keeps sticking |
| 03:11.41 | dalias | huh? |
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| 03:12.58 | Gigantic | Hi |
| 03:13.20 | Gigantic | I want to make tty to lock automatically after 10 min of inactivity |
| 03:13.27 | Gigantic | vlock |
| 03:13.32 | Gigantic | how can I do that? |
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| 03:15.34 | nameless | [04:08] cx = Isola Christmas |
| 03:15.51 | nameless | cool oO |
| 03:17.04 | netdaemon | ....i can't get nautilus to see samba shares =\ |
| 03:17.15 | netdaemon | i have libgnomevfs2-extra installed... |
| 03:17.23 | netdaemon | it sees that there are "windows servers" |
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| 03:18.03 | netdaemon | after that, nothing |
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| 03:23.53 | Gigantic | how can I make a tty to vlock automatically after 10 min of innactivity? |
| 03:24.16 | dalias | gigantic, if you use screen, i think it might be able to auto-lock.. |
| 03:24.33 | Gigantic | no X but tty |
| 03:24.39 | dalias | yes |
| 03:24.44 | Gigantic | tty1 - tty6 |
| 03:24.49 | dalias | lookup screen |
| 03:25.07 | pshr | [03:24:42] <haggz> pshr: I may be misunderstanding your question, but whether your backup is 'safe' depends on where your backed up data is stored. Debian will format the partition it is installed into so as long as your data backup is stored elsewhere it will be be available. |
| 03:25.39 | pshr | i figure this means that a xubuntu backup will do just fine on a debian system |
| 03:25.56 | pshr | as long as the backup aint on the hdd im formatign :) |
| 03:26.55 | Gigantic | No dalias |
| 03:27.05 | Gigantic | I don't want to block my X session |
| 03:27.11 | dalias | nothing to do with X!!! |
| 03:27.12 | haggz | pshr: um, you won't be able to just copy all those folders you backed up over the versions debian provides, if i recall what you asked |
| 03:27.18 | Gigantic | I want to block common console |
| 03:27.25 | Gigantic | not terminal either |
| 03:27.31 | pshr | oh ok |
| 03:27.48 | haggz | pshr: you mentioned you backed up /etc, you cant overwrite the debian /etc with your old /etc, although some specific files may work |
| 03:28.02 | pshr | that might sport a problem then |
| 03:28.32 | pshr | guess i need to backup alot of config files then :( |
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| 03:30.03 | sivik | how do i get past: |
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| 03:30.30 | sivik | http://pastebin.com/m7c41e659 |
| 03:31.59 | pshr | ok |
| 03:32.02 | pshr | haggz |
| 03:32.11 | pshr | thanks for the heads up |
| 03:32.24 | pshr | guess il only backup the /homedir |
| 03:32.38 | haggz | pshr: yeah /home is generally the most transferrable |
| 03:32.48 | pshr | fucking hdd is dying, so need to something now hehe |
| 03:33.16 | sivik | how do i fix an error with the locale setting |
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| 03:34.43 | haggz | sivik: im not sure what perl's requirements are but there's a dpkg-reconfigure locales command |
| 03:35.07 | Rusty1 | http://gallery.menalto.com/wiki/Debian_locale_HowTo sivik |
| 03:37.03 | dto | dondelelcaro: emacs wants me to run make bootstrap before plain make. where can i tell it to do bootstrap first? |
| 03:40.04 | sivik | Rusty1, that didn't help |
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| 03:44.07 | drmitch | when I do startx, I get : No such file or directory: /usr/bin/startxfce4 but: /usr/bin/startxfce4 exists and has root:root, and 555 permissions, anyone know what's up? |
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| 03:47.27 | paxl | Question to anyone, I have two harddrive, one of 20gb and one of 13gb, I'd like to make a single partition out this 2 drive .. what is the solution ? |
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| 03:48.25 | dto | paxl: linux software raid |
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| 03:50.42 | paxl | can I make a raid 0 out these two drive ? |
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| 03:50.56 | dto | i think so. |
| 03:51.03 | Nyle | I am trying to find my MAC address for my broadcom bcm43xx card in my laptop. ifconfig tells me that eth1 (wireless) is HWaddr 00-90-4B-B1-9F-51-30-3A-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 . The wired onboard eth Waddr looks like HWaddr 00:08:74:9B:27:B4 . what exactly is my wireless card (eth1) MAC address? |
| 03:51.09 | Nyle | would it be 00:90:4B:B1:9F:51:30:3A ? but doesnt' look like because its not 6 pairs, 12 digits |
| 03:51.16 | paxl | would be realy cool |
| 03:51.17 | Nyle | whats going on? |
| 03:51.26 | \amethyst | paxl: no, you can't, unless you limit it to 13GB |
| 03:52.13 | \amethyst | paxl: You can do linear-append, though |
| 03:52.44 | Nyle | anyone? |
| 03:52.45 | Tramp | paxl: I think the answer to your initial queston is lvm |
| 03:52.54 | \amethyst | or use lvm |
| 03:52.55 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 03:53.21 | drc | \amethyst: what about raid? |
| 03:53.35 | \amethyst | drc: ? |
| 03:54.09 | paxl | Tramp: but lvm will not do any performance increase :S, |
| 03:54.24 | Tramp | paxl: Was this your initial question? |
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| 03:54.46 | paxl | nop, my intial quesiton was, how to make a partition of the sum of two drive |
| 03:54.50 | Tramp | paxl: and, by the way, this may or may not be the case |
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| 03:55.09 | Tramp | paxl: well then. The canonical answer to this one is, imho, lvm |
| 03:55.12 | \amethyst | paxl: err, I meant 26GB, not 13 |
| 03:55.15 | tdrusk | Is there a package for Drupal in etch? |
| 03:55.30 | paxl | \amethyst: I did understand :P |
| 03:55.59 | streuner_ | !tell tdrusk about search |
| 03:56.15 | paxl | Ok, I thinks I'll go with lvm |
| 03:56.18 | paxl | thanks guys |
| 03:57.11 | mksm_ | my onboard lan card changes it mac address each boot... i've tried to disable that in BIOS, but its just not there. Can i do something about the constant renaming of the interface? (eth0,1,2,3) |
| 03:57.32 | tdrusk | streuner_: there isn't a drupal package in etch. |
| 03:57.59 | streuner_ | well |
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| 03:58.37 | CyberMad | i got problem when start mysql server 5: /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! :( |
| 03:58.51 | streuner_ | df |
| 03:59.20 | \amethyst | CyberMad: what does df /var/lib/mysql say? |
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| 04:00.20 | streuner_ | just run "apt-get (auto)clean, for a first solution |
| 04:00.52 | regulate | CyberMad: df -h |
| 04:01.09 | regulate | you might need to clean some logs ; do what streuner_ suggested |
| 04:01.50 | CyberMad | i tried re-install mysql-server by apt-get remove mysql-server, then do apt-get install mysql-server but looks like that command not do full clean re-install the package :( |
| 04:02.15 | CyberMad | \amethyst just a minute |
| 04:02.53 | dto | ok, i can't seem to figure out how to get CDBS to execute "make bootstrap" before it tries make install. i tried putting "DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET = bootstrap" in my debian/rules |
| 04:02.56 | dto | but it didn't work |
| 04:03.00 | CyberMad | actually i run debian etch on virtual machine (VMWare) with HD 1 GB, i only install apache2 and mysql |
| 04:03.19 | \amethyst | CyberMad: and how much space is free after that? |
| 04:03.46 | CyberMad | \amethyst just a minute.. i start up the debian on my Virtual Machine |
| 04:04.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | bugger. the debmirror in Etch wont clean mirrors before finishing updates :( |
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| 04:04.46 | \amethyst | CyberMad: looking at the startup script, there has to be at least 4MB free |
| 04:04.49 | CyberMad | df /var/lib/mysql return: |
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| 04:05.33 | CyberMad | Filesystem: /dev/sda1 1K-blocks: 917072 Used: 877400 Available: 0 Use: 100% Mounted on: / |
| 04:05.36 | rdz | hi all. how can i add pathes to cron? my cron doesn't find commands from /usr/local/bin, but only from /usr/bin |
| 04:05.45 | \amethyst | CyberMad: well, there you go |
| 04:06.00 | CyberMad | how to increase the size? |
| 04:06.07 | CyberMad | do i need re-install all system? |
| 04:06.11 | \amethyst | CyberMad: ext2 or ext3? |
| 04:07.22 | \amethyst | CyberMad: you can turn down the reserved-to-root percentage to get an extra 40MB or so |
| 04:07.26 | MaliutaBris | cyberjames: xfs_growfs |
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| 04:09.09 | Tramp | rdz: Why not use absolute Paths for your commands? |
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| 04:10.13 | \amethyst | rdz: man 5 crontab |
| 04:10.22 | rdz | Tramp, yo.. that is what i am doing now, but i noticed, that i will fall in this trap again and again in the future, so i would like to solve once forever.... |
| 04:10.30 | rdz | \amethyst, thanks |
| 04:10.53 | CyberMad | ok.. i will try your tips |
| 04:10.53 | \amethyst | rdz: oh, did you want to change the default PATH for all crontabs? |
| 04:10.57 | CyberMad | thanks a lot |
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| 04:11.39 | rdz | \amethyst, i would like to add /usr/local/bin to ALL crontabs, if that is possible somehow... |
| 04:11.56 | rdz | i don't quite see, what is the benefit, that crontab is different from bash |
| 04:12.42 | rdz | and it fooled me so many times yet... |
| 04:13.25 | Nyle | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:13.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool used to extract firmware from BCM43xx driver files. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package will optionally download, extract and install this firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). This package is in <contrib>. |
| 04:14.40 | \amethyst | rdz: AFAIK you can only set it in the crontab |
| 04:15.09 | rdz | \amethyst, well then.. i'll do that.. many thanks |
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| 04:16.09 | gluttoy | grub will not let my other os's load. |
| 04:16.19 | rdz | \amethyst, is there any good reason, why crontab has different search pathes from bash? i don't see the benefit of it.. in contrary, i'd say it makes its usability worse, doesn't it? |
| 04:16.35 | rdz | it's like it would want, that things arent working... |
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| 04:17.07 | rdz | and because it's crontab, you don't see immediately, that there is an error and where it lies.. |
| 04:17.46 | \amethyst | rdz: where would the system crontabs get their paths from? |
| 04:18.37 | rdz | \amethyst, i don't know, i am not a operatng system designer........ |
| 04:18.41 | \amethyst | rdz: actually, I guess it *could* take it from PAM |
| 04:18.47 | \amethyst | rdz: but it explictly doesn't |
| 04:19.19 | \amethyst | rdz: probably so its behaviour wrt path lookups is completely predictable |
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| 04:19.52 | rdz | \amethyst, i see |
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| 04:20.53 | rdz | but a default, that would use PAM's or whatever pathes, that could be changed manually, would be cool. /etc/crontab... or something... |
| 04:20.58 | rdz | i am not an expert.... |
| 04:21.13 | rdz | but a better solution would be nice, i think... |
| 04:21.55 | \amethyst | you can set the PATH for /etc/crontab in /etc/crontab |
| 04:22.19 | \amethyst | that won't affect user crontabs or /etc/cron.d/ crontabs, though |
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| 04:24.16 | rdz | hm....yeah, it has all the pathes, i would need.. |
| 04:24.26 | rdz | i just copy that to my user crontab.. |
| 04:24.34 | rdz | \amethyst, thank you a lot for your help |
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| 04:41.44 | Nyle | how would I go about patching the bcm43xx driver for injection |
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| 04:42.18 | Miesco | How do I upgrade from Etch to etch packports? |
| 04:42.25 | wols | Nyle: ever tried google? |
| 04:42.27 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 04:42.27 | dpkg | from memory, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 04:42.35 | Nyle | wols: yeh man, for a few hours now |
| 04:42.54 | Nyle | wols: I got as far as installing it, getting the patch, getting the kernel source, and the firmware |
| 04:42.59 | wols | Nyle: google harder. one search and it was the first hit |
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| 04:43.14 | wols | "bcm43xx injection" |
| 04:43.14 | Miesco | gtkpod needs etch-packports or testing to run the latest version, should I get etch-backports or testing? |
| 04:43.23 | wols | backport |
| 04:43.30 | Nyle | I've used the exact same keywords |
| 04:43.30 | Nyle | hah |
| 04:43.47 | Nyle | wols: find results and reading isn't a problem |
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| 04:43.49 | wols | and what did you get as first hit? |
| 04:44.01 | wols | so what is then? |
| 04:44.05 | tdrusk | How can I get debian etch testing repository. I am sure that's where drupal is... |
| 04:44.17 | wols | tdrusk: there is no such thing |
| 04:44.19 | wols | !testing |
| 04:44.19 | Nyle | I have no idea what needs to be done |
| 04:44.19 | dpkg | testing is, like, a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 04:44.27 | dalias | what is the advantage of backports.org over using testing? |
| 04:44.35 | wols | you need to patch the driver and remake the bcm43xx module |
| 04:44.42 | Nyle | wols: I understand that much |
| 04:44.51 | wols | then what is the problem? |
| 04:44.55 | Nyle | where is the source? |
| 04:45.05 | wols | there is a helpful link |
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| 04:45.31 | wols | in that very first google hit: "download the bcm43xx-inject..... from here" |
| 04:45.39 | wols | where "here" is a nice little link |
| 04:45.44 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:45.53 | Nyle | you mean the patch? |
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| 04:46.02 | wols | yes |
| 04:46.08 | Nyle | I told you I've already got it |
| 04:46.18 | wols | so? |
| 04:46.20 | Nyle | for the kernel version i have |
| 04:46.27 | wols | if you have the patch, what's stopping you? |
| 04:46.40 | Nyle | i don't know exactly wehre to apply it |
| 04:46.47 | wols | to the driver. where else? |
| 04:46.57 | Nyle | i read it has to be patched to a bcm43xx_something.c file |
| 04:47.04 | wols | the page I see has even the full patch commandline |
| 04:47.12 | Nyle | I downloaded the firmware and the linux kernel source but I don't see that file anywhere |
| 04:47.44 | wols | what is the exact filename to patch? |
| 04:47.51 | wols | or where is the patch you got? |
| 04:47.57 | Nyle | bcm43xx_main.c and I updatedb and located |
| 04:47.58 | Nyle | no dice |
| 04:48.14 | Nyle | i have the patch file sitting in ~ right now |
| 04:48.22 | wols | /root/linux-2.6-2.6.22/drivers/net/wireless/bcm43xx/bcm43xx_main.c |
| 04:48.29 | wols | right there on my harddisk |
| 04:48.38 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 04:48.42 | Nyle | you gotta be shitting me |
| 04:48.55 | Nyle | I ssh into laptop and that is where I was trying to intall it |
| 04:48.57 | Nyle | and guess what |
| 04:49.04 | Nyle | I was looking in the wrong konsole terminal |
| 04:49.05 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 04:49.15 | Nyle | no wonder I'm like i just now got the kernel source wtf |
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| 04:51.52 | Miesco | So what do I do to my sources.list for backports? |
| 04:53.06 | Nyle | read the instructions on the website |
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| 04:55.15 | BlueToothz | hi. how can i shut this process down |
| 04:55.19 | BlueToothz | Passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process listening on [127.0.0.1: 6880] |
| 04:55.34 | Miesco | W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263 |
| 04:55.40 | Miesco | I get that when I do aptitude update |
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| 04:57.16 | Nyle | Miesco: so add the key |
| 04:58.32 | wols | BlueToothz: man kill, man killall |
| 04:58.53 | Miesco | I think I got it |
| 04:59.06 | Miesco | Nyle: Where do I add it? |
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| 05:01.48 | BlueToothz | wols: Wont that shutdown my system? |
| 05:02.58 | BlueToothz | oh its manuals |
| 05:02.59 | BlueToothz | lol |
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| 05:08.52 | eldowan | Nyle: good to see you hanging around again. I'm about off for a while. Stay sane as you can. :D |
| 05:10.12 | Nyle | man I totally fucked up shit that is going to take some time to undo |
| 05:10.42 | Nyle | I was so baked I lost track of which konsole terminal I was in, laptop or desktop, and I did stuff to laptop thinking it was desktop and vice versa. |
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| 05:10.56 | Nyle | downloaded the wrong kernel source for the wrong box |
| 05:10.58 | Nyle | blah blah blah |
| 05:11.08 | Nyle | oh fuck it, i'll worry about it tomorrow |
| 05:11.43 | Nyle | it does however go to prove that I have some seriously awesome budd |
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| 05:13.06 | neil_d | how do you find out the version of a library from the command line ? |
| 05:15.38 | Nyle | dunno |
| 05:15.46 | Nyle | neil_d: which library is it? |
| 05:16.14 | neil_d | Nyle: I am mainly interested in the libgtk library |
| 05:17.00 | Nyle | you could just find that out by seeing the package version you hav einstalled |
| 05:17.15 | Nyle | use apt-cache policy libgtk(whatever) |
| 05:19.59 | neil_d | Nyle: is suppose so, it does give a lot of info thou. |
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| 05:25.25 | stiv2k | hey is there enemy-territory in apt? |
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| 05:31.54 | wols | stiv2k:ET is non free so: no |
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| 05:37.37 | stiv2k | wols: what happened to it? it used to be free didnt it? |
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| 05:45.03 | emacser | hello is this a good place to ask questions about debian gnu/hurd? |
| 05:45.17 | emacser | I am having trouble installing it to qemu. |
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| 05:46.55 | wols | unless irc.oftc.net has a more approrpiate. specialized channel, this is the right one |
| 05:47.06 | wols | but for various reasons it might be hard to get the help here you need |
| 05:47.13 | wols | but it never hurts to try |
| 05:47.18 | emacser | cool. :) |
| 05:47.39 | emacser | anyone here run gnu/hurd or gnu/k*bsd? |
| 05:47.50 | wols | that was a bad question |
| 05:47.54 | wols | see /msg dpkg polls |
| 05:49.54 | emacser | ok :) |
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| 05:58.03 | CyberMad | how to zip a folder in debian? what is the command ? |
| 05:58.22 | ryty | zip |
| 05:59.06 | graytron | to zip a _directory_ in debian, "zip -r file.zip directory" might work |
| 05:59.16 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 05:59.35 | Nyle | why zip when you can bzip |
| 05:59.39 | Nyle | :) |
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| 06:04.34 | bullgard4 | My applet 'CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor' shows that the clock frequency of my Intel M processor is 600 Mhz most of the time. Why is there no powernowd process? |
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| 06:07.30 | DawnLight | yo |
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| 06:10.11 | wols | bullgard4: why should there be? |
| 06:10.20 | wols | you have an intel CPU, not an AMD one |
| 06:11.48 | bullgard4 | wols: man powernowd: " The name is somewhat misleading, as any processor supported by the kernel cpufreq driver will work, not just processors supporting AMD’s PowerNow! technology." |
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| 06:12.11 | wols | there is more than one way to do frequency scaling |
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| 06:13.08 | DawnLight | what determines what happens when acpi events occur? |
| 06:13.11 | bullgard4 | wols: What other ways of doing frequency scaling do you refer to? Be more verbose. |
| 06:13.39 | DawnLight | wols -v |
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| 06:15.34 | bullgard4 | DawnLight: Some application programs will use acpi events. So They are determining what will happen. |
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| 06:16.13 | wols | bullgard4: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling |
| 06:16.15 | wols | for example |
| 06:16.17 | DawnLight | bullgard4: i want to set the command that's being launched when i press the power button |
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| 06:20.08 | jbm | let's say i have an executable in /home/jbm/bin with the same name as one in /usr/bin . I'm trying to 'shadow' the one in /usr/bin (exec the one in /home/jbm/bin). I tried adding it to the beginning and the end of PATH, neither seemed to work. is this not possible with /bin and /usr/bin ? |
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| 06:21.28 | bullgard4 | DawnLight: Usually the power button is pressed in two situations: when you are gong to switch on and when you are going to switch off your computer. What situation do you have in mind at the moment? |
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| 06:22.18 | ryty | bullgard4: obviously off. I don't think he's going to have much luck running an app while the computer is off. |
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| 06:23.48 | SerajewelKS | is there a decent gnome burning application? |
| 06:23.56 | SerajewelKS | brasero seems quite buggy |
| 06:24.13 | ryty | SerajewelKS: I generally use x-cd-roast |
| 06:24.18 | ryty | that's just me though |
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| 06:24.51 | SerajewelKS | i used to use k3b and liked it but i'm trying to move away from kde |
| 06:25.02 | bullgard4 | wols: Thank you very much for this hint. |
| 06:25.23 | cast | if its dvds growisofs is wonderfully easy to use, cli app |
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| 06:26.24 | SerajewelKS | cast: it's not |
| 06:26.29 | SerajewelKS | just a regular audio cd |
| 06:26.37 | SerajewelKS | brasero is convinced that my cd has 0mb free |
| 06:27.13 | SerajewelKS | which is bull. wodim happily does a simulated burn. |
| 06:30.54 | wols | gnomebaker or gtoaster or such? |
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| 06:37.58 | Geoff-- | got poptop (pptpd) set up on a machine, and enabling proxyarp/bcrelay so that netbios names are resolvable across the VPN. the endpoint machine (public/private IP) and an internal machine (private only) both run samba, but only the internal machine's netbios resolves across the vpn.. the endpoint machine's internal netbios name does not. any ideas? |
| 06:40.06 | jeremiahzg | ok, today i installed etch and fully updated it on my ancient 64mB, genuineintel machine that previously ran winme...x is installed and functioning, but the mouse is incredibly choppy. instead of flowing smoothly from one point to the next, it jumps there. the interface itself doesn't lag; when i type into xterm it's at the proper speed, but the mouse is just plain jumpy |
| 06:40.51 | Geoff-- | try getting the mouse to work in the console and see if it's jumpy there too? |
| 06:41.01 | Geoff-- | (been too long, can't remember how.. sorry!) |
| 06:41.47 | jeremiahzg | you mean with gpm? |
| 06:43.16 | jeremiahzg | yeah it's jumpy |
| 06:43.42 | jeremiahzg | weird...it was perfectly smooth despite its age when i used winme |
| 06:43.44 | stray | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.50 | jeremiahzg | ok |
| 06:45.12 | jeremiahzg | just as laggy |
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| 06:46.36 | Geoff-- | jumpy with gpm as well.. must be to do with how linux is polling the mouse |
| 06:46.42 | Geoff-- | probably some weird motherboard issue |
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| 06:47.15 | cast | or a different mouse driver |
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| 06:47.31 | jeremiahzg | what other drivers are there? |
| 06:47.56 | Geoff-- | true.. google combinations of debian, your motherboard, "jumpy mouse" and so on.. see what turns up |
| 06:48.04 | jeremiahzg | i have |
| 06:48.18 | cast | when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think you get a few options that work |
| 06:48.31 | jeremiahzg | also, from dmesg: "logips2pp: Detected unknown logitech mouse model 1; input: PS/2 Logitech Mouse as /class/input/input2" |
| 06:50.18 | Geoff-- | what kernel version |
| 06:50.20 | stray | what follows Option "Protocol" in the Section "InputDevice" |
| 06:50.37 | jeremiahzg | Geoff--, 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 06:50.40 | jeremiahzg | stray, just a sec |
| 06:51.03 | jeremiahzg | Protocol is set to auto |
| 06:51.25 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 06:51.26 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 06:51.31 | Guerin | jeremiahzg: choose imps/2 |
| 06:51.57 | eldowan | Nyle: sucks about the laptop and desktop. I'm off to pass out. Don't jump off a bridge or something similar. |
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| 06:53.16 | jeremiahzg | imps/2 helped just a little bit |
| 06:54.06 | stray | jeremiahzg: is it a run of the mill logitec? |
| 06:54.18 | Geoff-- | jeremiahzg: you could try "psmouse_rate=100 psmouse_resolution=200" as kernel boot parameters.. google dredged that idea up :P |
| 06:54.33 | jeremiahzg | stray, it's a really old one, with two buttons and a track&ball, if that's what you mean |
| 06:55.24 | jeremiahzg | Geoff--, would that be set in my grub conf? |
| 06:57.39 | stray | jeremiahzg: <shrug> 'haven't had to work with a 64mb box since... 1997 or so. Maybe try playing around with: xset m 1 1 |
| 06:58.09 | jeremiahzg | already have |
| 06:58.22 | jeremiahzg | set the acceleration to everything between 1 and 5 |
| 06:58.31 | jeremiahzg | after 3 it just gets dizzying |
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| 06:59.09 | Geoff-- | jeremiahzg: i'm more familiar with LILO where you can enter custom parameters on a one-time basis on boot... would do that to try it rather than put it inthe conf file |
| 06:59.16 | Geoff-- | not sure how grub handles that |
| 06:59.19 | stray | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:59.30 | jeremiahzg | Geoff--, already put it in the menu.lst, rebooting it now |
| 06:59.31 | cast | Geoff--: you just hit e at the grub menu, then edit it as you want for the one time |
| 06:59.54 | stray | then press escape and the b to boot.. |
| 06:59.58 | Geoff-- | oh cool.. good to know :) |
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| 07:00.21 | Geoff-- | i would have used grub for my server installs because it's the default, but it turns out grub doesn't play nicely with software RAID so i went back to LILO |
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| 07:01.21 | jeremiahzg | this box would've been a server, but then i realized that 64mB of ram and 1gB of hard disk space isn't really good for anything but an ircd...heh |
| 07:01.37 | jeremiahzg | so i kept all of that on the 128mB/20gB box next to it |
| 07:02.05 | Geoff-- | 640k should be enough for anybody :P |
| 07:02.28 | jeremiahzg | whoa, thanks, Geoff--! that fixed the mouse |
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| 07:02.44 | jeremiahzg | now i can use it as a proper osdev machine :) |
| 07:03.01 | dalias | what kind of server? |
| 07:03.06 | Geoff-- | my googling > your googling... hahahaha |
| 07:03.11 | dalias | imo 64mb is fine for many servers but useless for desktop bloatware |
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| 07:03.16 | stray | jeremiahzg: if the box will handle it, maybe try a booting a lite livecd (slax or dsl come to mind) and see what it's xorg.conf looks like (if it works better) |
| 07:03.32 | Geoff-- | i'm an expert at finding other people who have already solved my problems for me :D |
| 07:03.52 | Geoff-- | (the only question is, is that laziness or resourcefulness? I think the latter...) |
| 07:04.28 | jeremiahzg | dalias, the memory is fine, i know, but the hard disk is a little too small for any data-intensive servers nowadays (sql, web, svn) |
| 07:04.38 | jeremiahzg | stray, thanks for the suggestion, but Geoff-- cleared it up ^_^ |
| 07:04.48 | dalias | ah |
| 07:04.57 | dalias | yeah that is a bit small |
| 07:05.06 | Geoff-- | has anyone here mucked around with pptpd? |
| 07:05.08 | dalias | where did you even get a 1gb hd when 64mb ram was common?! |
| 07:05.19 | dalias | i thought by then the smallest you could find would be like 4gb or 8gb |
| 07:05.29 | jeremiahzg | not sure...my dad built this machine a long time ago |
| 07:05.36 | jeremiahzg | i just sort of inherited it |
| 07:05.54 | dalias | iirc even my original pentium 90mhz had 2gb |
| 07:05.55 | jeremiahzg | he's been in the computer scene since...osbourne 1, 5mB hard drives |
| 07:06.12 | jeremiahzg | this one has a 233mHz pentium |
| 07:06.21 | cast | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Grub-debian.jpg uh is that a default [in lenny or something perhaps?] |
| 07:06.35 | jeremiahzg | doesn't look likt it, cast |
| 07:06.37 | dalias | (original meaning first-generate pentium not first comp of course) |
| 07:06.42 | dalias | generation* |
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| 07:09.24 | jeremiahzg | now to get used to having 2 sets of keyboards and mice on the desk, heheh |
| 07:10.24 | dalias | :P |
| 07:10.52 | jeremiahzg | or i could give synergy a try... |
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| 07:19.21 | DukGalNamu | alright... i KNOW i can get KB'ed in here |
| 07:19.26 | DukGalNamu | someone plz |
| 07:19.33 | DukGalNamu | kb me with a nasty message |
| 07:20.18 | cast | ...why? |
| 07:20.37 | DukGalNamu | cause i am a fucking basterd, thats why |
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| 07:20.58 | DukGalNamu | ... and drunk |
| 07:21.00 | cast | ahhh. i would have tried #freenode first personally |
| 07:21.22 | DukGalNamu | no, don't want to get banned from the server by accident |
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| 07:22.12 | DukGalNamu | lets see.... last time i got banned from here.... |
| 07:22.36 | DukGalNamu | cast: your mother has a questionable relationship related background!!! |
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| 07:22.58 | wols | gotta love PC insults |
| 07:23.43 | DukGalNamu | well, thats not quite it so much as it covers more than one insult saying it like that |
| 07:24.07 | jeremiahzg | hah! synergy doesn't work too well with fvwm |
| 07:24.09 | wols | you could become a callboy, cast |
| 07:24.17 | wols | a gigolo |
| 07:24.47 | DukGalNamu | goddammit!!! |
| 07:24.49 | DukGalNamu | KB ME |
| 07:25.54 | DukGalNamu | ... |
| 07:26.10 | cast | was kinda waiting for someone to say "dad, you're drunk. go to bed" |
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| 07:26.19 | mksm_ | \o/ |
| 07:26.24 | DukGalNamu | mksm_: that doesn't count |
| 07:26.37 | DukGalNamu | cast: nope, not a dad |
| 07:26.49 | DukGalNamu | i wish, i wouldn't be a drunk if i was |
| 07:27.05 | DukGalNamu | but since women == bitch... |
| 07:27.21 | DukGalNamu | and me == idiot... |
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| 07:27.32 | DukGalNamu | and hand == good enough |
| 07:28.24 | Miesco | I installed from source libgpod, how do I get gtkpod to use it instead of the one in the deb repository? |
| 07:28.25 | robcruseme | http://apps.facebook.com/prezident |
| 07:28.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | hopefully you get a +m. +kb is to good for you |
| 07:28.38 | DukGalNamu | nooooooood |
| 07:28.42 | DukGalNamu | d? |
| 07:28.49 | Loigor | thanks for the information |
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| 07:30.22 | cast | Miesco: maybe you'd recompile gtkpod while telling it to use your just installed ver |
| 07:30.57 | wols | Miesco: don't have libgpod from dbeian installed |
| 07:31.19 | DawnLight | how do i set the command that's being launched when i press the power button? |
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| 07:31.41 | wols | DawnLight: what command is launched? |
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| 07:32.17 | DawnLight | wols: thats what i want to specify |
| 07:32.51 | piecesandbits | /quit |
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| 07:35.23 | wols | DawnLight: is anything launched right now? |
| 07:35.34 | DawnLight | wols: when i press the power button, it swtiches some runlevels and then asks me for root password for maintenance or control-D to continue. i want it to shut down |
| 07:35.46 | DawnLight | like shutdown -h now |
| 07:36.30 | Miesco | wols: How do I uninstall the libgpod from debian? |
| 07:36.47 | streuner_ | apt-get remove libgpod? |
| 07:37.04 | wols | DawnLight: check your /etc/inittab |
| 07:37.11 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 07:37.29 | wols | Miesco: to prevent dependency conflicts, use equivs |
| 07:37.41 | wols | !equivs |
| 07:37.42 | dpkg | it has been said that equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 07:50.45 | DawnLight | wols: i understand that aptitude is the oficially preffered package managaement front end? well, i'm seeing many still give advice here to "apt-get install *" and the factoids mostly use apt-get too, like the above one. isn't there a movement to deprecate apt-get? |
| 07:51.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, but you cant force people to suggest a tool |
| 07:51.49 | wols | there sorta is and there isn't... |
| 07:52.02 | wols | etch is the "official" tool, however many factoids are old |
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| 07:52.31 | DawnLight | should i update factoids to use aptitude when i spot them? |
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| 07:53.27 | cast | apparently sids version of apt-get fills in some of its shortcomings, so the line might be blurry |
| 07:53.29 | wols | also, many knowledgeable debian users are old users: they sorta grew up with apt-get and cling to it |
| 07:53.45 | wols | also, apt-get seems to get retrofitted with aptitude features like autoclean |
| 07:53.50 | wols | erm, autoremove |
| 07:53.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | i found aptitude had a tendancy to bite hard if it didnt like what you did |
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| 07:54.20 | DawnLight | the good ol' |
| 07:54.21 | wols | apt-get never was intended as a end user tool |
| 07:54.33 | wols | it was a libapt demonstration and development tool |
| 07:54.48 | DawnLight | so aptitude was there from the start? |
| 07:54.56 | wols | no it wasn' |
| 07:54.56 | wols | t |
| 07:55.01 | DawnLight | so what did it? |
| 07:55.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Linux was never meant to run on anything other then a 386 *grin*. |
| 07:55.49 | wols | what did what? |
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| 07:56.47 | DawnLight | what was used for package management |
| 07:57.18 | DawnLight | when apt-get was intended for testing the library |
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| 08:03.58 | Eulex | hello, I'm having problems with my system locking up in two certain scenarios: (1) compiling big stuff (2) playing SID music files. When doing any of this, the system reproducibly locks up within a random amount of time, but usually a few minutes. I've tried switching to a tty to see if I get a kernel oops, but I didn't. the system just freezes. I have no serial port, so I cannot debug over a serial port. I tried running memtest86+ overnight, but |
| 08:03.58 | Eulex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:05.28 | dalias | eulex, overclocked? |
| 08:06.08 | dalias | if the machine is overclocked, "it works on windows" isn't an excuse :) |
| 08:06.27 | dalias | i strongly suspect faulty hardware |
| 08:06.27 | s | i am facing a strange problem. i have added hostnames in /etc/hosts and able to resolve hostnames when using ping but my browser is unable to resolve the hostnames |
| 08:06.43 | dalias | s, did you restart the browser after adding them? |
| 08:06.52 | s | no |
| 08:07.05 | dalias | that's probably your problem |
| 08:07.21 | s | i am trying |
| 08:07.30 | Eulex | dalias, no. even underclocked: a laptop that can ran at a maximum of 1.86ghz, but I use the ondemand governor to restrict it to be between 800mhz and 1.33ghz, to keep it the CPU below 50C. |
| 08:07.40 | dalias | ah, hmm |
| 08:08.09 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: one of my mobos got fried at some point and would freeze the system after a certain amount of time, which gradually grew shorter until i couldn't make it past boot |
| 08:08.20 | dalias | i wonder if the apm/acpi stuff is kicking in to turn a fan on or something |
| 08:08.24 | dalias | and causing a crash |
| 08:08.26 | SerajewelKS | Eulex: maybe your mobo is having similar problems, possibly heat related |
| 08:08.29 | s | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.38 | s | thats what i got |
| 08:08.48 | Eulex | SerajewelKS, perhaps |
| 08:09.08 | Eulex | dalias, my fan is controlled by the bios. afaik. |
| 08:09.36 | dalias | the bios isn't some magical fairy that appears out of nowhere to do things |
| 08:09.59 | dalias | it's just code and can't do anything unless it's called |
| 08:10.01 | s | i have added that hostname"csio.cxm" and able to ping |
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| 08:10.09 | Eulex | true |
| 08:10.17 | dalias | with apm, the kernel will call bios code for power management stuff |
| 08:10.29 | s | help 'dalias' |
| 08:10.37 | dalias | with acpi it works more on its own but might still call some bios stuff, i dunno |
| 08:10.53 | dalias | but however it happens, i figure this code might be interfering |
| 08:11.04 | dalias | try and see if the crashes go away with apm/acpi fully disabled |
| 08:11.14 | dalias | control-d |
| 08:11.15 | Eulex | dalias, noacpi noapm? |
| 08:11.29 | dalias | eulex, i think those are the options. maybe =1 at the end |
| 08:11.40 | dalias | s, i dunno.. |
| 08:11.43 | dalias | what browser? |
| 08:11.59 | s | its iceweasel |
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| 08:13.03 | dalias | maybe it ignores the system host lookup stuff and does its own dns..? |
| 08:13.17 | dalias | that would be really dumb, but hey, this is mozilla code we're talking about... :( |
| 08:13.43 | s | 'dalias' i have checked the /etc/host.conf that reads out "order hosts,bind" |
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| 08:14.04 | dalias | s, host.conf is obsolete i think. look at nsswitch.conf |
| 08:14.13 | dalias | but the default should be right |
| 08:14.22 | s | ok |
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| 08:14.41 | s | what default 'dalias' ??? |
| 08:15.23 | s | even konqueror gives same result |
| 08:15.54 | dalias | what line did you put in hosts? |
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| 08:16.22 | dalias | and what is the url you're putting in your browser? |
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| 08:17.10 | s | its "a.b.c.d csio.cxm" |
| 08:17.23 | dalias | well no wonder |
| 08:17.32 | dalias | a.b.c.d is not a valid ip |
| 08:17.35 | s | and url "csio.cxm" |
| 08:17.47 | dalias | and that's not a url |
| 08:17.52 | dalias | http://csio.cxm is a url |
| 08:18.07 | s | it means any ip address my dear i am just generalising |
| 08:18.23 | dalias | try it with the http:// |
| 08:18.38 | s | not working |
| 08:18.46 | ma3x | what's the +s flag for in chmod? |
| 08:18.47 | s | same result |
| 08:18.48 | dalias | maybe the browser assumes things without a known tld are filenames without the valid url prefix.. |
| 08:18.53 | dalias | ma3x, suid |
| 08:19.00 | dalias | s, well, i dunno.. |
| 08:19.11 | ma3x | dalias, super user id? |
| 08:19.12 | dalias | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 08:19.18 | dalias | ma3x, set userid |
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| 08:19.43 | ma3x | dalias, if you do +s file, what will be the difference? only the owner can read it or what? |
| 08:19.46 | s | but i have used "http://csio.cxm" |
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| 08:20.09 | s | While trying to retrieve the URL: http://csio.cxm/ |
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| 08:22.39 | dalias | s, it sounds to me like the browser is just being lame |
| 08:23.00 | s | so what should i do |
| 08:23.06 | dalias | ma3x, no, read a good introduction to unix permissions |
| 08:23.29 | s | i have even used konqueror |
| 08:23.43 | dalias | s, if you really need this, run a local caching dns server like pdnsd or something (i forget the actual names, search on freshmeat...) that serves entries in your hosts file as real dns.. |
| 08:24.00 | dalias | s, or file bug reports for the lame programs that aren't honoring /etc/hosts |
| 08:24.08 | dalias | if you're _sure_ you're not doing something stupid.. |
| 08:24.28 | s | right |
| 08:24.39 | s | i am doing as u told me |
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| 08:26.02 | s | do u any good reference how web browsers do all the dns name lookup transparently without the user able to instruct it to follow /etc/hosts |
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| 08:26.34 | s | a good reference to the internals of web browser |
| 08:27.14 | dalias | i have no idea if they do that or not, much less how |
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| 08:27.33 | dalias | i'm just reasoning that if your entry in /etc/hosts is not working, that seems to be the case |
| 08:28.14 | Eulex | dalias, I do not seem to be able to disable neither acpi, nor apic, dma or apm. the kernel boot parameters do not seem to have any effect. |
| 08:28.30 | dalias | hmm.. |
| 08:28.41 | dalias | i dunno what to tell you then |
| 08:29.32 | cahoot | s can you even connect using the IP? |
| 08:29.46 | dalias | cahoot, you missed the problem.. |
| 08:33.08 | s | sure i am able to ping |
| 08:33.29 | s | and even browser clearly says unable to resolve |
| 08:34.58 | s | strange part is that it resolves hostnames againt "127.0.0.1" |
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| 08:35.45 | cahoot | s and you are really sure there isn't a simple typo in hosts? |
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| 08:36.36 | s | i think browser is ignoring /etc/hosts but on the other hand it is resolving against "127.0.0.1" |
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| 08:37.02 | BigH26 | Is there anyway to know when a package is due to move from unstable to testing? |
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| 08:39.14 | wols | BigH26: aüürpx 10-14 days after it went into unstable and has no major bugs filed against it |
| 08:39.34 | cahoot | BigH26: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
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| 08:40.52 | BigH26 | thanks all, cahoot: great link |
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| 08:50.11 | Eulex | in any case, cpuburn does not seem to have any effect on stability here |
| 08:50.40 | az | hi, are there any known problems installing / on 3th, swap on 4th and /home on 5th partition ? |
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| 08:50.56 | war | http://iniquity.net/~war/newegg-firefox.jpg <- How come NewEgg's fonts for the pull-down menu are so large in Firefox/Linux and not Firefox/Windows? Is there anyway to fix _those_ fonts? |
| 08:51.30 | az | please point me to some howto about debian partitions |
| 08:51.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | az, not that i know of |
| 08:51.57 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:52.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hey |
| 08:52.32 | az | or having 1GB swap as 1st part, 2nd unused, 3th as /, 4th as /home |
| 08:53.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | az, as long as your bios can find yoru grub install your mostly ok |
| 08:53.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | az, and if you install grub on MBR thers verry little reason ti wont work |
| 08:53.36 | az | hm, this did not boot after installation |
| 08:53.46 | az | also wandering why |
| 08:54.06 | wols | !tell az about errors |
| 08:54.50 | az | if i could only remember the error message exactly ... |
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| 08:56.18 | DawnLight | i am doing ssh -X <host> and am lauching some X client and it tells me "cutecom: cannot connect to X server" what am i forgetting? |
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| 09:03.00 | DawnLight | i need xauth, i think. how do i search for the xauth file in the repos? |
| 09:03.45 | cast | apt-file search xauth |
| 09:03.56 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 09:05.39 | DeFirence | DawnLight! |
| 09:05.46 | DeFirence | finally! |
| 09:05.55 | DeFirence | :D |
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| 09:08.36 | unisky-utf8 | Hi. Need help. Howto install firefox extentions in iceweasel(2.0.0.3) x86_64 ? |
| 09:09.23 | DeFirence | !seen DawnLight |
| 09:09.24 | dpkg | dawnlight is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 5m 27s, last said: 'thanks'. |
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| 09:13.07 | DeFirence | Htf do i keep missing DawnLight |
| 09:13.19 | DeFirence | for like 4 days not o.O |
| 09:13.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 09:13.44 | DeFirence | even when hes online omg |
| 09:13.58 | cast | The program 'zcav' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 09:13.58 | cast | apt-get install bonnie++ |
| 09:13.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
| 09:14.03 | cast | ^now what does that? |
| 09:14.11 | cast | [just sshed into an ubuntu box] |
| 09:14.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast, #ubuntu please |
| 09:14.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast, but fyi its something like find-missing-command |
| 09:14.46 | cast | ahh. |
| 09:15.07 | sauvin | Yea, ubuntu is debian-based but it's not debian. |
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| 09:16.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast, command-not-found - Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions |
| 09:16.48 | cast | [me and #ubuntu don't seem to mix so well :\ as i want to replicate that behavior its a bit arbitrary what channel i ask in] |
| 09:17.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast, heres not hte place for ubuntu questions - i only know becaues i filed a bug on the app in question. |
| 09:17.38 | cast | eh, disregard.^ |
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| 09:18.36 | cast | i use debian, i was thinking about setting up the same thing :) |
| 09:18.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc its a python app, so 'porting' it should be easy |
| 09:19.45 | cast | ahh fuck it then. was just suprised how fast it was, since i normally apt-file search |
| 09:19.57 | DeFirence | !mia |
| 09:19.57 | dpkg | well, mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
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| 09:20.14 | DeFirence | !tell DawnLight about mia |
| 09:20.32 | DeFirence | !avoidance |
| 09:20.37 | DeFirence | :P |
| 09:20.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeFirence, are you after DawnLight for a reason? |
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| 09:21.03 | DeFirence | not really ;p |
| 09:21.07 | DeFirence | haha |
| 09:21.44 | DeFirence | lol, i cant get over how cool it is everytime someone says a msg with my name in it :P |
| 09:22.13 | cast | DeFirence: welcome to the premier ircing techology of the 90's! |
| 09:22.16 | DeFirence | i scripted it, so that it speaks the message to me using AT&T text to speech :D |
| 09:22.34 | DeFirence | haha cast |
| 09:22.47 | cast | ahh. that makes more sense :> |
| 09:22.54 | DeFirence | ye |
| 09:23.00 | DeFirence | its very cool |
| 09:23.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 09:23.08 | sauvin | Seems to me something similar to what ubuntu does would be easy enough... |
| 09:23.25 | DeFirence | sounds bloody simular to a human voice too |
| 09:23.42 | sauvin | ... just have to intercept "not found" shell returns and having whatever wasn't found checked against a resident package database. |
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| 09:25.01 | th00ry | !pow |
| 09:25.01 | dpkg | prisoner of war; is also the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,}) |
| 09:25.05 | th00ry | !awol |
| 09:25.05 | dpkg | from memory, awol is Absent WithOut Leave; a military term. |
| 09:25.41 | DeFirence | !^ |
| 09:25.42 | dpkg | hmm... ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it, or the XOR operator, or beginning of line in regex, or the 'search files in this dir for the following regexp' operator in zsh |
| 09:25.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell DeFirence about botabuse |
| 09:26.02 | DeFirence | :( |
| 09:26.11 | DeFirence | i just woke up :P |
| 09:26.19 | DeFirence | but thanks for saying my name :D |
| 09:26.22 | DeFirence | haha |
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| 09:31.27 | Axl | can anyone tell from this if there was some sort of crash ? |
| 09:31.28 | Axl | http://pastebin.com/m123a6e0f |
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| 09:33.10 | DawnLight | DeFirence: yo |
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| 09:33.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Axl, why do you think thers a crash? |
| 09:33.30 | DeFirence | DawnLight: awe!!!! |
| 09:33.38 | DeFirence | stop hiding dude |
| 09:33.46 | DeFirence | :P |
| 09:34.08 | Axl | what is this that i pasted |
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| 09:34.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont see a crash per se. |
| 09:34.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure whta i see tbh :| |
| 09:37.10 | DawnLight | i'm not hiding i'm watching the bean movie! |
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| 09:38.59 | DeFirence | loolol |
| 09:39.44 | sauvin | No eating beans before going to bed. You don't want the sheets floating away. |
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| 09:40.21 | DeFirence | i just woke up :P |
| 09:40.29 | liable_ | the ols fart and cover the missus's head under the sheats trick |
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| 09:44.48 | dbmoodb | i just a q - i used fdisk to erase my partitions on a hd i thought nothing was on, it turns out something was on it - it was a debian etch installation with ext3 file system - can i recover the system or the data ? |
| 09:46.09 | DawnLight | bbl! |
| 09:46.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres a couple of data/filesystem recovery tools in apt. not used any myself |
| 09:46.13 | cast | parted i think can try to recover the partition table |
| 09:46.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | dbmoodb, as long as nothing/noone writes to the drive you should be able to recover |
| 09:46.43 | dbmoodb | sure but |
| 09:46.45 | dbmoodb | how ? |
| 09:47.04 | Hoxzer | What is it with dd and dd_rescue as t hey dont seem to wanna die when "killall -15" or "killall -9" is executed ? |
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| 09:50.12 | erpo | Are there any tools available that will let me defragment an ntfs drive from Linux? |
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| 09:58.10 | g00se | Is it possible to do a 'dummy install' of Grub to test if it can boot an XP partition? |
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| 10:01.32 | cast | g00se: grub boots xp fine, unless you have some reason to think it wont? |
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| 10:02.35 | cast | g00se: you could use dd to create a copy of the MBR, install grub, then if it didn't work restore the old MBR |
| 10:02.48 | liable | or sfdisk |
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| 10:08.42 | rom | hi |
| 10:08.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi |
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| 10:09.05 | rom | could someone make a .deb of kopete, after a bugfix from yesterday? |
| 10:10.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless its in stable, an update will probably be out when the kde folk have time on their hands |
| 10:11.32 | Python1321 | I've included some "non-lang" repositories. The repos don't have the lang but apt still tries to find the lang-specified package->phailure | How to make it "lose" the lang search? |
| 10:12.05 | g00se | cast: Yes thanks. I was thinking of copying the MBR |
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| 10:12.43 | Python1321 | example: It tries to find http://somesite.com testing/non-free Translation-** but that doesn't exsist... |
| 10:12.46 | rom | :( |
| 10:13.04 | rom | Is it easy to make a .deb of kopete (for example) |
| 10:13.05 | rom | ? |
| 10:13.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | relatively |
| 10:13.26 | rom | (i.e. does a guy who never did a .deb can do it) |
| 10:14.11 | g00se | cast: The reason i anticipate problems is that parted thinks the partition table is wrong. That was done by BootMagic |
| 10:14.41 | cast | ahh. |
| 10:15.01 | cast | it's a bit worrying how partition tools disagree with each other from time to time |
| 10:17.06 | g00se | Interestingly parted doesn't show the dirty flag on the XP partition but mount reports it as dirty when i mount it (successfully) |
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| 10:18.30 | cast | what does dirty mean? |
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| 10:19.10 | g00se | cast: afaik it's to do with the transactional state of partition 'edits' |
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| 10:19.31 | Grandie | When doing find ./ -type |
| 10:19.39 | Grandie | is it possible to somehow specify both dir and file? |
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| 10:20.04 | g00se | Grandie: That would happen by default |
| 10:20.15 | Grandie | when you only type -type? |
| 10:20.32 | g00se | When you don't use type at all |
| 10:21.38 | eFfeM | what is the best way to get started to build my own customised kernel? |
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| 10:22.18 | cast | there's some howtos regarding using make-kpg in debian, that would be a good start |
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| 10:22.33 | eFfeM | tnx cast |
| 10:26.02 | eFfeM | found this: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html but that is from 2003 |
| 10:26.28 | eFfeM | also it assumes one gets the kernel sources from kernel.org |
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| 10:26.51 | eFfeM | i would expect there is a debian based tree, or am I completely missing the point here |
| 10:27.04 | eFfeM | I've worked with other linux distro |
| 10:27.19 | eFfeM | distro's but not with debian |
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| 10:28.16 | adrian | i have a question |
| 10:28.34 | eFfeM | issue is that the debian-derived system I have misses some modules, some sources are being published, but just as a bunch of gzips |
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| 10:29.35 | adrian | i get a error message when i halt my laptop "you hardisk might not be spun down corectly" something like that and it sends me to read some doc on ata-linux org |
| 10:29.58 | adrian | i never seen this on etch |
| 10:30.07 | adrian | this error is on lenny |
| 10:30.24 | adrian | could be a software issue ?? |
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| 10:31.35 | tarzeau | can anyone watch this? http://80.219.77.179:8080/ |
| 10:32.20 | adrian | ies i can |
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| 10:32.30 | tarzeau | adrian: nice, it's swiss tv |
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| 10:32.57 | adrian | documentary or something like that |
| 10:32.57 | adrian | :d |
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| 10:33.14 | tarzeau | adrian: you don't get the audio i guess.. |
| 10:33.26 | adrian | i don`t |
| 10:33.40 | adrian | i opened it default with konqueror |
| 10:33.54 | adrian | might be better results on swiftfox |
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| 10:34.24 | tarzeau | adrian: it's motion streaming it, i wonder if i could get the sound into the stream too |
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| 10:35.18 | Nazcafan | hello |
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| 10:38.04 | nsk | hello |
| 10:38.10 | tarzeau | hello |
| 10:38.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:38.22 | dpkg | somebody said qotd138 was <PerfDave> tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON! |
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| 10:39.01 | cast | lol. |
| 10:39.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 10:39.32 | liable | dont think that would go down very well with some ops these days. |
| 10:40.15 | g00se | liable: no - and the wit level is not exactly high either |
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| 10:40.57 | suppaman | hi |
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| 10:44.25 | g00se | cast: Thanks for your earlier help - i'm off ;-) |
| 10:44.36 | tarzeau | say i have bandwith at computer A, and no bandwith at computer B (but computer B has the data, and A not) |
| 10:44.54 | tarzeau | can i stream data from B to A, and the public can get it from A? |
| 10:45.09 | tarzeau | just a tcp redirect wouldn't do it... |
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| 10:45.38 | tarzeau | maybe a caching proxy, would that work for motion? |
| 10:45.50 | redduck666 | tarzeau: depends how you will be streaming it, ice cast has a replication feature which should work in your case. |
| 10:46.07 | tarzeau | redduck666: using the built-in http daemon of motion |
| 10:46.35 | redduck666 | tarzeau: i'd set up mod_proxy on the computer with bandwidth than |
| 10:46.46 | tarzeau | redduck666: not squid? |
| 10:47.24 | redduck666 | tarzeau: i have never dealt with squid, but i have experience with mod_proxy's so i'd choose mod_proxy |
| 10:48.00 | tarzeau | redduck666: could we try that, would it work with apache 1? |
| 10:48.06 | cast | g00se: later :> |
| 10:48.21 | tarzeau | redduck666: i've got the stream at http://80.219.77.179:8080/ what would i say in mod_proxy config on the apache server? |
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| 10:49.30 | redduck666 | tarzeau: just a sec, i have some apache2 mod_proxy examples on some server |
| 10:50.03 | Doat | is there a way to allow normal users to mount ISOs? |
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| 10:50.25 | tarzeau | Doat: with fusermount maybe? |
| 10:50.45 | redduck666 | tarzeau: http://rafb.net/p/y6LMpb49.html |
| 10:51.14 | Doat | tarzeau: what's that? |
| 10:51.24 | tarzeau | Doat: apt-cache search ^fuse |
| 10:51.29 | redduck666 | (it was used on apache2, i believe the syntax hasn't changed) |
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| 10:52.01 | redduck666 | Doat: maybe ''pmount'' |
| 10:53.30 | tarzeau | redduck666: thanks |
| 10:54.15 | g00se | Doat: Use sudo |
| 10:55.24 | g00se | Doat: scratch that |
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| 10:57.31 | cast | could use sudo with some wrapper script, would have to be careful though |
| 10:58.20 | g00se | cast: Yes |
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| 11:00.31 | fabio_ | hi |
| 11:00.59 | Hoxzer | So just to verify if I make a image of the hdd with dd it doesn't damage deleted files on the HDD ? |
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| 11:01.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | it doesnt write at all |
| 11:01.37 | g00se | A script containing /bin/mount -type iso9660 $* should be OK |
| 11:02.10 | cast | g00se: what if a user mounts his custom iso over /usr :\ |
| 11:02.42 | fabio_ | i have this problem when i try lunch a script.. |
| 11:02.44 | fabio_ | bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 11:02.49 | fabio_ | anyone can help me? |
| 11:02.59 | tarzeau | fabio_: can you post head -1 thescript? |
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| 11:03.05 | Hoxzer | Kamping_Kaiser: :( yeah. Sad but I was thinking if there were some wierd reason it would damage something |
| 11:03.11 | Hoxzer | Kamping_Kaiser: but :( if you say so |
| 11:03.23 | g00se | cast: Well i don't know if you can restrict on the location of mounts - maybe..? |
| 11:03.26 | Hoxzer | Kamping_Kaiser: :( I have to be sad if something gets damaged |
| 11:03.26 | redduck666 | g00se: mount -t iso9660 -t ext3 /dev/hda3 mount/ ##no that script wouldn't be ok. |
| 11:03.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hoxzer, well, good luck :) |
| 11:03.54 | redduck666 | cast: what is wrong with pmount ? |
| 11:04.11 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.11 | fabio_ | tarzeau: #!bin/bash |
| 11:04.26 | redduck666 | fabio_: missing '/' |
| 11:04.35 | redduck666 | (ie: #!/bin/bash) |
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| 11:07.03 | fabio_ | redduck666: thank you! :D |
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| 11:08.26 | Doat | tarzeau: thanks. fuseiso works great |
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| 11:09.04 | cast | redduck666: nfi... |
| 11:09.50 | Hoxzer | and then |
| 11:10.05 | Hoxzer | If I mount my Hdd with "-r" option can that damage deleted files ? |
| 11:10.06 | redduck666 | cast: ''nfi'' ? |
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| 11:13.46 | cast | !nfi |
| 11:13.47 | dpkg | [nfi] No Fucking Idea |
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| 11:15.01 | azeem | 4/W 4 |
| 11:15.03 | azeem | oops |
| 11:15.11 | dutchfish | Hoxzer, there are weird ways in wich dd (backup partiation) could damage your system, if dd has been altered by a hacker to do so, if the info on the disk is very valuable, thats the first thing i would do to protect stelaing information from it, there are other possibilities too |
| 11:15.38 | Axl | when i do passwd -e , next login i get a nice message saying the password must be changed .., how can i customize this message? |
| 11:15.56 | dutchfish | Hoxzer, so be sure to use dd from a recue disk |
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| 11:16.12 | Hoxzer | dutchfish: :P well, yep |
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| 11:16.49 | Hoxzer | Actually I dont think I will be able to return this |
| 11:17.05 | dutchfish | Hoxzer, 2nd, read all about the forensics tools you need to know before trying anything |
| 11:17.07 | Hoxzer | since the files are on ext3 partition and the filesize is something like 500MB |
| 11:17.19 | Hoxzer | and it is mpeg fil enad the partition is full fo them |
| 11:18.15 | dutchfish | Hoxzer, things you need to know: libewf, revit, sleuthkit |
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| 11:19.10 | dutchfish | Hoxzer, also afflib is a cool tool |
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| 11:26.42 | axscode | !embedian |
| 11:26.50 | axscode | !emdebian |
| 11:26.51 | dpkg | methinks emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
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| 11:41.22 | kale | what is the current release cycle of debian? |
| 11:41.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | when its ready |
| 11:41.43 | kale | Kamping_Kaiser: fair enough |
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| 11:45.53 | Geoff-- | has anyone here mucked around with pptpd? |
| 11:46.13 | nkuttler | hm, how do i load a firmware? without rebooting or modprobing... |
| 11:46.16 | vvd | anyonw usinf 2.6.22 from backports and can tell me weather it uses the new pata drivers? |
| 11:46.36 | vvd | wether |
| 11:46.40 | vvd | :P |
| 11:46.56 | vvd | right |
| 11:47.03 | nkuttler | vvd: you could get the package and look at the .config |
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| 11:47.11 | Przemcio78 | hi |
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| 11:48.11 | vvd | nkuttler: yea, or just try to boot it ^^) |
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| 11:48.53 | cahoot | vvd: could look at the changelog at pdo |
| 11:50.17 | vvd | pdo? |
| 11:50.17 | cahoot | packages.debian.org |
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| 11:50.52 | dutchfish | cahoot, are backport.org's packages in packages.debian.org? |
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| 11:51.08 | stew | dutchfish: yes |
| 11:51.11 | cahoot | meh - my bad |
| 11:51.18 | dutchfish | stew, didnt know that one, thx! |
| 11:51.27 | stew | dutchfish: its a recent change |
| 11:51.54 | cahoot | so I was right by mistake |
| 11:51.56 | dutchfish | stew, but they still have separate repos, right? |
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| 11:53.16 | stew | dutchfish: yes |
| 11:54.45 | dutchfish | stew, would be nice to have something like deb http://debian.domain.tld/debian/ etch main non-free contrib backports in the near future ... |
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| 11:57.14 | amadeux | Help: I have two hard drives, but the second one is rarely in use. Can I enable some sort of power management on it so that it will save power while not being used? Such as spinning down to 0RPM if not being accessed for 5 minutes or so, and then spinning up if it is being accessed, or what not |
| 11:57.32 | dutchfish | amadeux, man hdparm |
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| 11:58.04 | amadeux | dutchfish, ok? can you guide me about parameters? also, I don't think hdparm works so well with sata drives? |
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| 11:58.49 | cahoot | amadeux: see if sdparm offer the option |
| 11:59.21 | amadeux | cahoot, sdparm worked even less the last time I tried it. As far as I know, there is no good tool for sata drives. Might be wrong |
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| 12:00.18 | dutchfish | amadeux, http://kurobox.com/mwiki/index.php/Debian_hdd_spindown |
| 12:00.26 | amadeux | thanks |
| 12:01.53 | dutchfish | amadeux, and this one: http://nabeelc.blogspot.com/2007/01/debian-hdd-spindown-kurobox-central.html |
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| 12:09.28 | aeshyamae | hi....if i wanna use gnome 2.20 in debian,its ok that i download a cd from the weekly build of testing session and install that right? |
| 12:10.12 | azeem | aeshyamae: not if you run etch |
| 12:10.43 | aeshyamae | hmm i now run etch and its not good to have gnome 2.20 in etch no? |
| 12:10.51 | azeem | why? |
| 12:10.59 | azeem | what is wrong with the gnome in etch? |
| 12:11.10 | stew | aeshyamae: testing doesn't have gnome 2.20 anyway |
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| 12:11.25 | aeshyamae | oops |
| 12:11.53 | aeshyamae | i have debian etch and is willing to install another os for having gnome 2.20...whats the best way? |
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| 12:12.19 | aeshyamae | but it should be debian;) |
| 12:12.22 | streuner | Which feature do you want of 2.20? |
| 12:12.35 | Kevin`_ | aeshyamae you could update to debian testing, it has newer stuff.. |
| 12:12.48 | streuner | !info gnome-session testing |
| 12:12.54 | cast | testing only has .14, sid .18 |
| 12:12.56 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 543 kB, Installed size: 2680 kB |
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| 12:13.19 | streuner | !info gnome-session |
| 12:13.22 | cast | or not, now i'm confused |
| 12:13.22 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 587 kB, Installed size: 2804 kB |
| 12:13.45 | cast | http://packages.debian.org/gnome does that number not correlate to the gnome version then? |
| 12:14.14 | streuner | aeshyamae: if you dont know which feature you want its not helpful to run something other than testing, just read /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 12:15.51 | stew | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
| 12:16.01 | aeshyamae | hehe it officially supports ma mother tongue thats the thing;) |
| 12:16.04 | stew | unstable currently has a mix of 2.18 and 2.20 |
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| 12:16.47 | stew | aeshyamae: if you want to run 2.20 in etch, you'll have to wait for it to first completely enter unstable, then either start backporting it yourself, or wait for people to backport it and upload it to backports.org |
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| 12:17.22 | bullgard4 | English help wanted: What is meant by 'scaling' in http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling? (I have read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaling.) |
| 12:17.42 | wemme | hello, does someone have a example souces.list for testing? |
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| 12:18.27 | stew | bullgard4: general scaling means adjusting the size of, in this case it means adjusting the clock speed of the cpu |
| 12:18.42 | Kevin`_ | bullgard4 changing the cpu frequency, usually in multiples of fsb speed |
| 12:18.57 | stew | wemme: "/msg dpkg sources.list" but use 'lenny' instead of 'etch' |
| 12:19.21 | bullgard4 | stew, Kevin`_ Thank you very much. |
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| 12:20.36 | wemme | stew: thank you |
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| 12:29.59 | aeshyamae | K will check in detail and say later...thanks a lot people |
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| 12:36.20 | Octopssy | Does anyone know some recommendable Certificate for me to get for Linux in general to start with? |
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| 12:36.25 | Octopssy | Exam 101? |
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| 12:36.53 | jnvilo | hi, i just moved back into debian and on apt-get update i get: GPG error complaining about signatures |
| 12:37.39 | jnvilo | i did apt-get add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg and that went fine but on apt-get update i still get the GPG error |
| 12:37.44 | jnvilo | can someone help me please? |
| 12:38.41 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 12:38.58 | jnvilo | nvermind, i fixed it with apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 12:54.16 | fredl | hi guys, a recent update of unstable seems to have messed up my keyboard mappings |
| 12:55.04 | fredl | This keyboard used to work fine in X, is a generic keyboard AFAIK, works fine in the console but in X some keys seem to be redefined. |
| 12:55.43 | fredl | it's an RF keyboard hooked up to the USB port, that's basically the only thing there is to it. |
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| 12:56.02 | fredl | any clue where/if/how this may have gone wrong? |
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| 12:57.52 | fredl | c'mon there has to be somebody here :) |
| 12:58.01 | azeem | check the bts |
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| 12:59.01 | pytas | where from to pick this supplement up? http://osbeta.org/koncepcja_windows_vienna____ja/art.54.pliki.htm ???:(((( |
| 12:59.06 | fredl | azeem - well I just apt-get dist-upgrade'd, hoping a fix would come in, this has been sitting here for a few days.... |
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| 12:59.30 | fredl | I'd imagine if lots of people had messed up keyboard that'd be an urgent bug, no? |
| 13:00.01 | liable | did you file a bug report? |
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| 13:00.19 | azeem | fredl: this is unstable |
| 13:00.28 | azeem | fredl: if you don't want to experience bugs, use testing |
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| 13:00.50 | fredl | azeem - true. Is there a way to downgrade to testing from unstable? |
| 13:01.34 | fredl | liable - nope I didn't. Didn't have time for that, I'm not actively developing, just installed unstable because at the time it was the only branch that had a working nvidia driver. |
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| 13:02.07 | azeem | fredl: no |
| 13:03.07 | fredl | azeem - don't all packages that have been relatively stable in unstable for two weeks or so go into testing? |
| 13:03.43 | liable | you can change your sources to testing and wait for the packages to catch up |
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| 13:04.10 | azeem | fredl: yes |
| 13:04.21 | fredl | liable - that's what I was hoping for. Have you ever tried that or seen anybody succesfully using that approach? |
| 13:04.38 | azeem | fredl: that's different to a downgrade |
| 13:04.42 | liable | fredl: testing isnt frozen, so it will work, its just a matter of time |
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| 13:05.20 | liable | meanwhile you need to file a bug |
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| 13:05.59 | fredl | well I don't really have a clue which package to file a bug for in this case or how to do some basic troubleshooting on it. |
| 13:06.29 | fredl | xorg I guess? |
| 13:07.07 | abrotman | xorg is a metapackage |
| 13:07.28 | escay | hi folks, got a little problem to get my webcam working (hercules webcam classic). i didn´t find any hints about that in the debian-form nor in the wiki |
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| 13:08.01 | escay | i asked google and only found an how-to for ubuntu, so i tried that one out |
| 13:08.38 | fredl | abrotman - my keyboard got it's keymappings changed in X, not on the console. I don't have a clue for which package to file a bug on that one, do you? |
| 13:08.45 | cahoot | escay: what module is it supposed to use? |
| 13:09.12 | sayers | How do I have my Lexicon Alpha auto start instead of having to un plugging it and then replugging it? |
| 13:09.21 | escay | its ov51x.ko + 0v519_decomp.ko |
| 13:09.24 | abrotman | fredl: i think the bug has already been filed .. wols was talking about it the other day |
| 13:09.58 | fredl | abrotman - oh okay, I'll go search for it when I'm upstairs on my laptop again. |
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| 13:10.35 | abrotman | fredl: might be on the xlibs pacakge .. can't recall |
| 13:10.52 | cahoot | escay: did you check if module-assistant offers the option to make and install that module (or is it already present in the stock kernel pkg)? |
| 13:10.54 | escay | cahoot: the make install command did only compile the first module, i cant find the second one |
| 13:11.28 | cast | [dm-crypt] Corruptions in the dm-crypt layer 2.6.22 |
| 13:11.32 | escay | cahoot: how can i find out about that? |
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| 13:11.44 | cahoot | escay: run m-a |
| 13:11.44 | fredl | anyway... changing 'unstable' to 'testing' in sources.list.... when that keyboard bug gets fixed it'll take at least some two weeks before that fix is in testing, correct? |
| 13:12.05 | escay | m-a as in make all? |
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| 13:12.18 | fredl | m-a as in modules assistant |
| 13:12.21 | abrotman | fredl: could be sooner .. but sounds fairly broken .. so maybe not |
| 13:12.29 | cahoot | no that starts module-assistant in menu mode |
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| 13:13.28 | fredl | Hmm, alright. I should have just reverted back to testing earlier I guess. Thanks guys~! |
| 13:13.32 | escay | cahoot: seems that i dont even have installed that module-assistant... |
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| 13:13.46 | pytas | where from to pick this supplement up? http://osbeta.org/koncepcja_windows_vienna____ja/art.54.pliki.htm ???:(((( |
| 13:13.50 | cahoot | escay: well that's easily fixed - no? |
| 13:13.54 | pytas | very good skin on foto |
| 13:14.00 | escay | sure |
| 13:14.59 | Maerz | !tell Maerz NO PUBLIC KEY |
| 13:15.11 | fredl | escay - apt-get install module-assistant |
| 13:15.52 | dto | hi all |
| 13:16.00 | fredl | hello dto |
| 13:16.28 | escay | thx fredl |
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| 13:17.57 | escay | cahoot: m-a says that an module ov511 is available |
| 13:18.00 | fredl | gawd, I feel so trapped between a rock and a hard place... normally I'd use Ubuntu on a system that's focussed on desktop stuff.... but this home theatre system I'm running also runs a fair bunch of server processes for which I prefer Debian and the #debian channel |
| 13:18.59 | fredl | coz #ubuntu is just seriously lacking experts these days and when they're there they're too flooded usually to answer any questions |
| 13:19.01 | solemnwarning | If I remove an 80GB drive from an LVM VG and there's over 80GB free space on other disks, will lvremove move the LVs to the other disks or delete them? |
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| 13:19.24 | cahoot | escay: might be what you want? run prepare, get, build and install as the menu choices offer |
| 13:19.28 | escay | (i didn`t even knew there´s something like m-a available) |
| 13:19.44 | escay | ok - i´ll give it a shot |
| 13:19.56 | fredl | escay - don't have an nvidia card? |
| 13:20.15 | escay | fredl: got n asus nf7 mainboard |
| 13:20.45 | fredl | ah. and 3D acceleration works well with the supplied xorg drivers? |
| 13:20.46 | escay | features the nforce2 chipset |
| 13:21.11 | escay | yes - i even got compiz / beryl working |
| 13:21.12 | escay | ;-) |
| 13:21.20 | fredl | I've had to use m-a many times to rebuild my nvidia kernel modules. |
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| 13:22.46 | escay | fredl: really? i did a netinstall for etch, and everything worked fine |
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| 13:23.09 | escay | hey guys - thanx for the new toy *smile* |
| 13:23.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 13:23.27 | fredl | oh, in most cases the nvidia free drivers work alright too. |
| 13:23.52 | escay | fredl: talking about grafics? got an geforce mx 440 |
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| 13:24.34 | fredl | but after I bought my Geforce 7600GS I had to install the nvidia proprietary drivers coz the 7600 was too new.... |
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| 13:25.11 | fredl | then later on I started using the free drivers again... |
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| 13:25.23 | cast | well, my 7600GT works fine with nv drivers |
| 13:25.32 | fredl | until I hooked up my PC to my LCD TV and the free drivers again didn't work properly |
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| 13:26.02 | fredl | now I've kind of decided to just use the nvidia proprietary drivers since they cause less hassle |
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| 13:26.33 | escay | fredl: if i should give a guess, i would say that this will result in problems with the resolution |
| 13:26.41 | smller | italiano? |
| 13:27.00 | cast | !it |
| 13:27.00 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 13:27.12 | fredl | cast - you have xvmc working properly? |
| 13:27.35 | cast | nfi what that is |
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| 13:27.50 | fredl | escay - indeed. 1920x1080 for some reason caused problems with the free driver. |
| 13:27.51 | abrotman | xvnc |
| 13:28.01 | fredl | no, xvmc. |
| 13:28.33 | fredl | :) |
| 13:28.41 | fredl | xvmc != xvnc |
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| 13:28.53 | cast | well the library is installed, dunno if i use it or not ^_^ |
| 13:29.51 | fredl | cast - when xvmc works properly with your nvidia driver, you can let movie players for example have mpeg2 compressed files be uncompressed by the hardware in the video card |
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| 13:30.44 | Trewas | xvmc is quite irrelevant as it works only for mpeg1/2 and decoding those does not require much from the processor |
| 13:30.45 | fredl | your 7600GT also has hardware that can do mpeg2 decompression, takes a BIG whopping CPU load away if you're playing HDTV |
| 13:31.25 | escay | fredl: that isnt a problem of the driver AFAIK - got the same thing with a self-made-beamer |
| 13:31.40 | fredl | Trewas - uhhh well HDTV contents made my 3.4GHZ CPU croak while XVMC made the server run at a smooth 0.3 server load |
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| 13:32.37 | Trewas | yeah h264 is a different matter but xvmc does not work for that |
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| 13:33.14 | cast | certainly, rational was it would take up more cpu time |
| 13:33.53 | cast | video was only 1200x544, cpu usage from top was around 10%, load around .3, in 64bit mode on 3800 X2 |
| 13:34.03 | fredl | well I'd have to say my 3.4GHz single core CPU is at the low end these days for playing media contents to maybe thats why xvmc has such an impact for me |
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| 13:34.55 | escay | fredl: setting down the resolution to 1024x768 helped me out |
| 13:35.19 | fredl | escay - why would I want to play 1024x768 while I have a 1920x1080 screen? |
| 13:35.22 | escay | cahoot: tried your suggestion - result samething than bevor |
| 13:35.29 | escay | sry - before |
| 13:35.42 | fredl | and 1024x768 looks weird on a 42" display :) |
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| 13:36.49 | escay | fredl: i don´t know what hardware you are using, but the display i used did only support this resolution |
| 13:36.51 | Trewas | it is too bad that even c2d E6750 is not enough for 1080p h264 videos (without coreavc, and how to get that to work with mplayer seems to be a top secret) |
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| 13:37.34 | cast | HEH my bad. that video was mpeg4 |
| 13:38.17 | gryfie_ | 320x240 should be anough for anyone :) |
| 13:38.31 | suppaman | do you know a network monitor plugin for fbpanel ? |
| 13:38.38 | jelly-home | because it's not pixels if you can see them. |
| 13:38.41 | jelly-home | can't |
| 13:39.03 | fredl | hey help me out here, somebody told me the PS3 displays games only at 720p resolution, I thought it was 1080p ? |
| 13:39.29 | abrotman | fredl: wrong channel .. try wikipedia |
| 13:39.30 | xand | fredl: what's that to do with debian? |
| 13:39.30 | Trewas | fredl: depends entirely on the game, most are 720p |
| 13:39.46 | jelly-home | does Debian even run on a PS3? |
| 13:40.02 | fredl | well just since we're talking about video... h264 also isn't very Debian :P |
| 13:40.03 | Trewas | ppc version should work |
| 13:40.15 | suppaman | PS3 is ppc ? |
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| 13:40.23 | suppaman | is PS3* |
| 13:40.33 | fredl | no it's a Cell CPU, right? |
| 13:40.36 | jelly-home | fredl: I think it is. At the very least it's debian-multimedia. |
| 13:40.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | its CELL. |
| 13:40.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | its PPC on steroids |
| 13:40.54 | Trewas | it is based on powerpc |
| 13:41.00 | abrotman | isn't there a #stupid-console channel ? |
| 13:41.09 | fredl | oh okay. didn't know that. |
| 13:41.12 | futex | hello |
| 13:41.14 | abrotman | i'm asking |
| 13:41.24 | futex | i need your help please |
| 13:41.32 | xand | !ask |
| 13:41.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:41.50 | futex | when i try too mount initrd image i had an error |
| 13:41.56 | escay | anyway - thanks for your support. my daughter needs my pc now for watching cartoons ;-) cu |
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| 13:42.03 | futex | mount -t cramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21-2-686 /mnt/iso/ -o loop |
| 13:42.13 | futex | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop3, |
| 13:42.21 | futex | missing codepage or helper program, or other erro |
| 13:42.23 | futex | etc |
| 13:42.24 | fredl | abrotman - fine, sorry for even mentioning the stupid console. |
| 13:42.45 | futex | i'am running an debian sid |
| 13:42.54 | futex | an etch i had the same problem |
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| 13:43.40 | liable | dont you have to use cpio to unarchive it? |
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| 13:44.13 | lkthomas | guys, anyone using e1000 driver at all ? |
| 13:44.22 | liable | yes, why? |
| 13:44.23 | lkthomas | I can't enable tso with e1000 driver |
| 13:44.34 | futex | liable, /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21-2-686: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Sun Oct 21 00:39:19 2007, max compression |
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| 13:44.49 | futex | it's not an cpio archive it's a cramfs no? |
| 13:44.51 | lkthomas | ethtool -K tso on eth0 |
| 13:44.51 | lkthomas | no offload settings changed |
| 13:44.57 | liable | futex: so did you gunzip it before mounting? |
| 13:45.02 | lkthomas | liable: what is going on with my e1000 ? |
| 13:45.11 | liable | futex: i'm pretty sure they are cpio archives now |
| 13:45.20 | abrotman | i didn't even think they were cramfs anymore |
| 13:45.22 | liable | lkthomas: no idea |
| 13:45.29 | futex | if i try to gunzip it: gzip: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21-2-686: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 13:45.30 | lkthomas | liable: how do you enable TSO ? |
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| 13:45.42 | liable | lkthomas: dunno, i dont even know wtf it is |
| 13:45.54 | cast | zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-2-vserver-amd64 |cpio -t |
| 13:46.00 | lkthomas | liable: ok |
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| 13:47.12 | fredl | anyway I'm outta here |
| 13:47.18 | fredl | laterz |
| 13:47.38 | futex | cast, zcat initrd.img-2.6.21-2-686 | cpio -i it's good |
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| 13:48.12 | futex | :) |
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| 13:48.12 | cast | :> |
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| 13:48.16 | tdrusk | when drupal tells me to install with this mv drupal-x.x/* drupal-x.x/.htaccess /var/www/html is there anything I have to change besides the x.x? |
| 13:48.36 | futex | thank you |
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| 13:49.57 | escay | cahoot: still there? |
| 13:50.33 | fasta | The last two times I started Gnome, gnome-panel didn't start by itself. How can I make sure that it does? |
| 13:50.58 | escay | cahoot: when i do a "dmesg |grep ov" it gives me the same results than before |
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| 13:51.37 | escay | fasta: go to gnomesettings - sessions |
| 13:52.13 | escay | fasta: usually there should be an entry for the panel |
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| 13:53.12 | fasta | escay: it's listed there. |
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| 13:53.30 | lkthomas | does anyone using e1000 driver ? |
| 13:53.35 | escay | fasta: then it *should* start automatically... |
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| 13:53.43 | fasta | escay: yes, I know. |
| 13:54.09 | fasta | escay: if software did what it should always ... :) |
| 13:54.24 | escay | fasta: i c |
| 13:54.26 | escay | gg |
| 13:54.35 | abrotman | lkthomas: don't take polls |
| 13:54.47 | fasta | !gg |
| 13:54.48 | dpkg | methinks gg is good game |
| 13:54.53 | fasta | ? |
| 13:55.23 | escay | hmmm - i know "gg" as a double-bright-grin |
| 13:55.28 | escay | hmmm - i know "gg" as a double-bright-grin |
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| 13:55.34 | Noboru | hi guys |
| 13:55.43 | cast | evening Noboru |
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| 13:56.06 | fasta | Isn't that *gg*? |
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| 13:56.29 | Noboru | i have gotten 2.6.18-5-686-bigmem installed ,but now i do upgrade,why it asks me to upgrade linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 13:56.45 | abrotman | Noboru: that's a metapackage |
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| 13:56.51 | Noboru | i was using the i686 normal version |
| 13:57.25 | Noboru | abrotman, but do i need it ?since i would never use the normal i686 version but bigmem instead |
| 13:57.30 | jelly-home | Noboru: it asks you because you still have it installed |
| 13:57.52 | Noboru | is there a way to tell apt to keep it back ? |
| 13:58.04 | jelly-home | !hold |
| 13:58.04 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 13:58.09 | syamajala | hmm |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | Noboru: don't place it on hold |
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| 13:58.50 | Noboru | thanks jelly-home ,but again, the patches for bigmem kernel are different ? |
| 13:58.51 | syamajala | dyndns is going to start expiring accounts that have no activity for 30 days |
| 13:58.55 | jelly-home | Noboru: that |dpkg --set-selections command would be it. But if you're sure you're not going to use it, why not just remove it. |
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| 13:59.13 | Noboru | i mean if i hold it ,will debian upgrade my bigmem version of kernel in the future ? |
| 13:59.29 | abrotman | Noboru: just remove that package and any non -bigmem kernels .. install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 13:59.57 | Noboru | abrotman, i have gottened the bigmem installed and running now |
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| 14:00.22 | abrotman | Noboru: and do you have linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem installed ? |
| 14:01.24 | Noboru | abrotman, yes and its running and i set it in menu.1st as the default boot |
| 14:01.40 | abrotman | Noboru: you're not reading what i'm writing |
| 14:01.51 | abrotman | Noboru: paste the output of dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:01.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:02.46 | Noboru | please wait |
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| 14:03.55 | Noboru | here http://pastebin.ca/759748 abrotman |
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| 14:05.04 | freeflyheu | /i #gentoo |
| 14:05.09 | abrotman | Noboru: let's try that again ... "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image*" |
| 14:05.23 | jamesstanley | Hello. I would like to know how you set the DocumentRoot in Apache2. Anybody know? |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | jamesstanley: /etc/apache2/dites-eavailable/default .. i think |
| 14:05.47 | jamesstanley | I tried putting DocumentRoot /var/public_html in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 14:05.50 | jamesstanley | ah thanks abrotman |
| 14:06.02 | abrotman | otherwise .. cd /etc/apache2/ ; grep -R DocumentRoot * |
| 14:06.13 | jamesstanley | ok thanks |
| 14:06.30 | jamesstanley | it was sites-available/defaults |
| 14:06.30 | jamesstanley | thanks! |
| 14:06.33 | Noboru | abrotman, here http://pastebin.ca/759750 |
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| 14:07.05 | abrotman | Noboru: okay .. `aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem` |
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| 14:08.22 | Noboru | abrotman, i have it installed already |
| 14:08.32 | Noboru | 2.6.18-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 01:22:56 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:08.33 | abrotman | not according to your last paste |
| 14:08.39 | abrotman | Noboru: okay .. `aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem` |
| 14:08.46 | abrotman | Noboru: you do not have that installed |
| 14:09.23 | Noboru | done |
| 14:09.36 | Noboru | what i have just done was installing the metapackage for my bigmem kernel ? |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | Noboru: aptitude remove linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 14:10.28 | abrotman | Noboru: yes .. that was the -bigmem metapackage |
| 14:10.58 | Noboru | Thank you very much abrotman :) |
| 14:12.15 | Noboru | abrotman, by the way,in /boot/grub/menu.lst ,right below the line 'kernel,,,',there is a '...skipping' ,is this normal ? |
| 14:12.20 | jelly-home | he's gone, Jim |
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| 14:12.32 | Noboru | oh :( |
| 14:12.34 | Ronin | he'll be back |
| 14:12.41 | Noboru | :) |
| 14:12.44 | jelly-home | he always gets back. |
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| 14:13.33 | Noboru | strange,now i run apt-get uggrade,its still asking me to install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:13.36 | jelly-home | Noboru: I guess you can run /usr/sbin/update-grub to let the script remove nonexisting entries |
| 14:14.02 | abrotman | Noboru: i told you to uninstall two packages .. did you do that? |
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| 14:20.54 | Noboru | abrotman, done,thanks,i didn't notice,cuz you was typing very fast and i was reading vey slow :) |
| 14:20.59 | Nihill | hey guys |
| 14:21.05 | abrotman | Noboru: gotcha |
| 14:21.29 | jelly-home | Is there a body in Debian in charge of fonts? Some (well, a _lot_) of fonts have crappy kerning and I wonder what's the correct way to fix them. |
| 14:21.35 | Nihill | I'm getting: error while loading shared libraries is there any way I find out where the program I'm running expects the libs to be? |
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| 14:22.01 | bzed | jelly-home: there's a team taking care of most of the fonts |
| 14:22.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: stop looking at the fonts .. just read the words :) |
| 14:22.13 | bzed | jelly-home: look at the maintainer of the most ocmmon font packages |
| 14:22.27 | lkthomas | haha |
| 14:22.29 | lkthomas | funny shit |
| 14:22.34 | Eulex | jelly-home, open them up in something like fontforge and fix the truetype or opentype kerning tables? :) |
| 14:22.34 | lkthomas | after I update e1000 driver |
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| 14:22.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: I can't read when some letters have 1 pixel, some 2 pixels between and some overlap! |
| 14:22.45 | daniele_982 | hello all |
| 14:22.45 | lkthomas | and bootup, it still showing old version |
| 14:23.31 | daniele_982 | someone can help me with hibernate? |
| 14:23.32 | bzed | jelly-home: some fonts are maintained by the fonts team, others come directly from Xorg and are maintained by the X team |
| 14:23.34 | Nihill | can anyone help me? |
| 14:23.39 | bzed | !anyone |
| 14:23.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:23.57 | abrotman | jelly-home: choose another font? |
| 14:23.59 | valdyn | lkthomas: do a modinfo.. i guess the new driver is at a different place and not found first |
| 14:24.07 | valdyn | lkthomas: "modinfo e1000" |
| 14:24.24 | daniele_982 | it work sometimes yes and sometimes no |
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| 14:24.49 | valdyn | daniele_982: that'S not useful information |
| 14:24.59 | valdyn | daniele_982: error message? check logs |
| 14:25.23 | jelly-home | bzed: pkg-fonts-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org, exactly what I was looking for! Thanks. |
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| 14:26.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: I do have a very nice non-free font as default, seeing as I've paid my MS tax... |
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| 14:26.19 | daniele_982 | valdyn: no error in logs , when it not found i've in log.... hibernate: Running /usr/sbin/s2disk ... |
| 14:26.47 | lkthomas | valdyn: do you think it is possible that e1000 driver is actually in initrd ? |
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| 14:27.15 | valdyn | lkthomas: not much point speculating |
| 14:27.31 | valdyn | lkthomas: you could just regenerate the initrd |
| 14:27.46 | valdyn | lkthomas: however i still think its not there just once, but twice, old and new, and old is found first |
| 14:27.47 | Nihill | Is there something I can run to see if a program has what it needs to run? |
| 14:27.48 | daniele_982 | valdyn: i've a sony vaio fz18m nvidia debian sid and kernel:2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 14:28.05 | lkthomas | valdyn: modinfo now shows correct version after recopy the module again |
| 14:28.06 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 14:28.24 | azeem | W 31 |
| 14:28.25 | azeem | oops |
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| 14:28.41 | valdyn | lkthomas: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" to regenerate the initrd |
| 14:29.13 | daniele_982 | valdyn: no solution or suggestion for me? |
| 14:29.41 | lkthomas | k :) |
| 14:29.49 | valdyn | daniele_982: i dont have your notebook, there'S no way i can know your error, without *some* info |
| 14:30.05 | valdyn | daniele_982: the hibernating is logged. You want to know which step is failing |
| 14:30.19 | daniele_982 | valdyn: up!!! |
| 14:30.28 | daniele_982 | valdyn: (15:26:18) daniele_982: valdyn: no error in logs , when it not found i've in log.... hibernate: Running /usr/sbin/s2disk ... |
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| 14:30.51 | daniele_982 | valdyn: and so black screen |
| 14:31.57 | valdyn | daniele_982: what else is in /var/log/hibernate.log |
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| 14:33.08 | daniele_982 | valdyn: in /var/log/hibernate.log the last line ,when i've black screen, is hibernate: [99] Executing DoUSuspend ... |
| 14:33.12 | daniele_982 | hibernate: Running /usr/sbin/s2disk ... |
| 14:33.36 | valdyn | daniele_982: ok, that sucks |
| 14:33.55 | valdyn | daniele_982: get a serial console or just guess |
| 14:34.07 | daniele_982 | valdyn: ??? |
| 14:34.19 | valdyn | !serial console |
| 14:34.50 | valdyn | daniele_982: you cant see information about the error when you have a black screen obviously. |
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| 14:34.55 | abrotman | daniele_982: what kind of laptop ? |
| 14:35.05 | daniele_982 | abrotman: sony fz18m |
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| 14:35.12 | valdyn | daniele_982: maybe its still saving *something* in /var/log/messages |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | daniele_982: i know that a few thinkpad models with an intel video card have problems .. the thinkwiki.org talks about some of them |
| 14:35.59 | valdyn | daniele_982: usb / X are usual suspects, that you could disable in advance, before suspending |
| 14:36.03 | lkthomas | anyone knows how to reconnect ssh server using putty without restart putty itself ? |
| 14:36.21 | abrotman | lkthomas: right click in the title bar (at least on windows) |
| 14:36.35 | daniele_982 | abrotman: nvidia video card |
| 14:36.45 | lkthomas | abrotman: and ? |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | daniele_982: you'd have to check the wiki .. dunno if it affects those or not .. |
| 14:36.53 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:36.54 | dpkg | from memory, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 14:37.06 | abrotman | lkthomas: in windows there's a 'Restart Session' |
| 14:37.23 | lkthomas | OH, haha |
| 14:37.34 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 14:37.50 | valdyn | daniele_982: the hibernate configuration file has entries to disable components first, too |
| 14:38.12 | valdyn | daniele_982: just uncomment those. Or whatever seems likely to be breaking suspend |
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| 14:40.19 | daniele_982 | abrotman: i've seen a lot of this site.Many of theese say the hiberantion works!!! |
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| 14:41.35 | daniele_982 | valdyn: i've comment in blacklisted-module nvidia and ipw3945 |
| 14:43.24 | daniele_982 | valdyn: uncomment |
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| 14:44.30 | valdyn | daniele_982: or ctrl-alt-f1 before you suspend |
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| 14:46.34 | ZeNN | compiling asterisk (to be specific asterisk.c) gives me an error: warning: type defaults to 'int' in declaration of '_syscall2' . Complete log at: http://pastebin.com/d2dfdf25e |
| 14:46.54 | valdyn | ZeNN: wrong channel |
| 14:47.11 | valdyn | ZeNN: and a warning is not an error |
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| 14:49.05 | ZeNN | valdyn: asterisk channel seems dead atm... but it requires a syscall2 declaration... |
| 14:49.30 | ZeNN | which seemed like a general debian question |
| 14:49.40 | abrotman | or a #gcc question |
| 14:49.41 | valdyn | ZeNN: ehe |
| 14:50.01 | valdyn | ZeNN: "apt-get build-dep asterisk" |
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| 14:50.29 | loxley_ | grrrr, girlfriend just "happened" to unplug the power to my computers.. |
| 14:50.46 | abrotman | #domestic-issues |
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| 14:51.02 | loxley_ | divorce.. :) |
| 14:52.08 | ZeNN | abrotman: thanks for the pointer |
| 14:52.12 | linio | install vista her ;) |
| 14:52.42 | valdyn | i wonder if #gcc will teach C |
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| 14:53.40 | abrotman | valdyn: i wonder if they'll even notice anyone asked a question :) |
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| 14:54.00 | valdyn | hoho |
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| 14:57.40 | jelly-home | ZeNN: stupid question, do you have all the build-depends for asterisk installed? |
| 14:57.57 | jelly-home | ah, already told |
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| 15:00.06 | rbd | hi, I was looking for documentation on DEBIAN/config (db_input, db_go, etc)...where could I find that? google searches haven't been too helpful |
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| 15:02.26 | xand | I have added stuff to /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_rcpt and then run update-exim4.conf, but it doesn't update /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated... why not? the -v option isn't at all verbose :( |
| 15:02.32 | Zippy2 | i installed debian onm my laptop last night and shut the lid. now im back and there's garbage on my screen. how do i fix this so i can finish the installation? |
| 15:03.56 | xand | oh... do I need to edit a different file |
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| 15:04.55 | Zippy2 | nice it just rebooted. lets see if it comes back |
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| 15:06.28 | tnks | For work I need to play around with a J2EE application server. Does anybody know of a convenient packaging of one for Debian? |
| 15:06.38 | tnks | most of what I see are just web containers. |
| 15:06.39 | xand | tomcat? |
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| 15:06.59 | tnks | xand: that's just a web container, right? I'd like to deploy EAR files. |
| 15:07.09 | xand | don't know |
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| 15:11.55 | AciD | hi |
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| 15:14.06 | AciD | I just installed the latest fglrx-driver package designed for sid while I m in testing. Now I have no more /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 file which prevent me to launch plenty of apps. Whichi package contains that file ? |
| 15:14.13 | dto | I'm still stuck with CDBS. what should I add to the debian/rules file in order to make it do "make bootstrap" after configuring? I tried adding "binary:: bootstrap" and that didn't work... |
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| 15:16.55 | Ward1983 | do i need to change something to be able to apt-get unstable and testing packages? |
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| 15:18.33 | Ward1983 | i just did apt-get install nameofunstablepackage but the package was not found |
| 15:18.43 | ivh_ | has anybody else noticed xine (and mplayer) to have stopped working in lenny? |
| 15:18.45 | cast | !sid backport |
| 15:18.51 | cast | !simple sid backport |
| 15:18.51 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 15:20.05 | Ward1983 | cast, how can i find out what version i'm running? |
| 15:20.06 | Orion_X11 | which is the best dvi viewer? |
| 15:20.17 | froze | I was getting ready to reorganize some disk partitions and noticed that fdisk -l reports different partition than what is mounted. output in flood |
| 15:20.47 | Noboru | which command to copye all files ? including those invisible files |
| 15:20.47 | Noboru | i used cp -r |
| 15:21.17 | Orion_X11 | which is the best dvi viewer? For LateX |
| 15:21.32 | dto | Orion_X11: xdvi |
| 15:21.33 | asg | Orion_X11: nothing wrong with xdvi |
| 15:21.37 | froze | can someone help me with diagnostics to track down this discrepancy? |
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| 15:22.21 | Fabio_Como | any good guide to setup a secure apache in debian? |
| 15:22.23 | Fabio_Como | thanks |
| 15:22.24 | cast | !tell Ward1983 about version |
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| 15:22.57 | Ward1983 | ty |
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| 15:23.51 | mmc | after I run dpkg-buildpackage I obtain (besides other) a file *.changes. What's the use of that file? |
| 15:23.55 | CalJohn | I don't suppose there is an easy command to figure out what physical partition a directory is on? my symlinks are a little convoluted :/ |
| 15:24.14 | cast | froze: pastebin > flood imho. as one joins flood now i imagine they'd have already missed it |
| 15:24.40 | jelly-home | CalJohn: readlink |
| 15:24.52 | froze | ok, I will repost |
| 15:25.11 | jelly-home | CalJohn: df . (or path) also helps if you just want the partition |
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| 15:26.01 | CalJohn | jelly-home: awesome, that was EXACTLY what I was after. have a gold star. |
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| 15:27.09 | dto | hi |
| 15:27.18 | Ward1983 | how can i install packages that are in unstable? |
| 15:27.37 | froze | Specifically, the size of sda7 is the same a sda6 when fdisk -l , but mounted size shows different between sda6 and sda7. When mounting sda8 it says unknown file type. I think the partition table may be fubared |
| 15:28.14 | jelly-home | Ward1983: installing packages from unstable would make your system unstable. Try looking at backports.org first |
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| 15:29.02 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, its just unstable there are no older versions, only unstable and testing ones |
| 15:29.02 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 15:29.27 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, if they don't work right i can just uninstall them and my system is back as it was right? |
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| 15:30.12 | jelly-home | Ward1983: wrong, any package you install would bring in its own dependencies, and you'd have a mixed system |
| 15:30.27 | froze | Are there any good tools for dtermining the consistency of the partition tables? |
| 15:30.40 | Ward1983 | jelly, so how can i remove it + the packages it brought? |
| 15:31.26 | jelly-home | Ward1983: what package are you really looking for? |
| 15:31.56 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, http://packages.debian.org/GPE |
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| 15:33.20 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, also, whats with the sid and lenny? what versions are that? |
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| 15:33.38 | jelly-home | Ward1983: I'd suggest trying doing a backport (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) or using testing if you must. |
| 15:33.48 | jelly-home | !sid |
| 15:33.49 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
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| 15:34.54 | jelly-home | Ward1983: please read "/msg dpkg sid faq" before continuing on the road to unstable |
| 15:35.15 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, lol in that case i'll just compile it |
| 15:35.24 | jelly-home | also, lenny is codename for current testing. |
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| 15:36.24 | jelly-home | Ward1983: if you use a separate tree for installation, that will probably be better than using unstable, yes. |
| 15:36.43 | froze | ok, my mount/fdsik info is on pastebin now as well. |
| 15:36.45 | dutchfish | is security.debian.org temp down atm? |
| 15:37.16 | abrotman | that references multiple machines |
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| 15:38.53 | jelly-home | Ward1983: if you're doing developer work, you might use testing since it's relatively fresh and relatively stable. Just know there are caveats and things might break. |
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| 15:39.34 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, no unfortunately i can't code, but i know the packages should work so i'm gonna try it (if not i'll just reinstall its for fun anyway) |
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| 15:39.49 | iuso | hi, does anyone know how i could get my hands on _all_ debian packages' file lists? to be more precise, i only need to know all the /usr/lib/pkgconfig/*.pc files that debian packages can install, and which packages they come from |
| 15:40.09 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, so whats best if i'm not a dev? testing or unstable? |
| 15:40.10 | jelly-home | iuso: apt-file |
| 15:40.30 | dutchfish | iuso, or look at the package list in your repository |
| 15:41.07 | iuso | dutchfish: the local one on the hard disk? |
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| 15:41.38 | dutchfish | iuso, no, your repo defined in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:41.51 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 15:41.51 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 15:42.12 | abrotman | iuso: apt-file search lib/pkgconfig |
| 15:42.17 | Ward1983 | ty, abrotman i'll use testing |
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| 15:44.01 | garotosopa | Is it possible to install an old version of a package? I'm on Lenny and I'm not able to do apt-get install libgtk2.0-0=2.10.13-1; it says it was not found. How to do so? |
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| 15:45.17 | asg | garotosopa: previous package versions are available at snapshot.debian.net |
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| 15:45.36 | garotosopa | asg, should I add it to my sources list or I must download them manually? |
| 15:45.38 | Eulex | garotosopa, because the 2.12 package replaced the 2.10 package |
| 15:45.57 | iuso | jelly-home, dutchfish, abrotman: thanks |
| 15:46.13 | garotosopa | Eulex, yes. my last upgrade made X to freeze randomly. so I'm about to install the old packages again |
| 15:46.49 | Eulex | garotosopa, what has that got to do with gtk? |
| 15:46.50 | jelly-home | garotosopa: which desktop environment are you using? |
| 15:47.05 | garotosopa | jelly-home, xfce |
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| 15:47.28 | garotosopa | Eulex, I'm about to restore all the upgraded packages. libgtk was one of them. |
| 15:47.50 | jelly-home | garotosopa: I'm experiencing focus problems with xfce, triggered when using the pager. |
| 15:48.14 | Eulex | garotosopa, ok. look where asg pointed you. |
| 15:48.25 | Eulex | jelly-home, gtk 2.12 and what version of the xfwm4 package? |
| 15:48.35 | jelly-home | garotosopa: for me, it looks the X has freezed, only the mouse can be moved around |
| 15:48.36 | garotosopa | jelly, it started here when using the Task List. now it freezes all the time. |
| 15:48.42 | Noboru | does anyone know how to change a folder permission including the files inside of it ? |
| 15:48.46 | garotosopa | jelly-home, same here. |
| 15:48.57 | Noboru | plus sub-folders too |
| 15:49.10 | garotosopa | jelly-home, after a while, the keyboard stops responding. and then only alt-sysrq-K can help. |
| 15:49.20 | Eulex | garotosopa, you need xfwm4 from unstable. |
| 15:49.31 | Eulex | jelly-home, and probably you too. |
| 15:49.45 | jelly-home | Eulex: xfwm4 is at 4.4.1-2+b1, libgtk2.0-0 at 2.12.1-1 |
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| 15:50.01 | garotosopa | Eulex, any reason why everything else was moved to Testing but xfwm4? |
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| 15:50.03 | Eulex | there's a fix for xfwm4 with gtk 2.12, unfortunately it didn't get into lenny before the new gtk did |
| 15:50.13 | garotosopa | hmm |
| 15:50.14 | abrotman | race condition! |
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| 15:50.21 | abrotman | well .. race i suppose |
| 15:50.24 | unit3 | i'm going a lil co co.. |
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| 15:50.35 | Eulex | garotosopa, and it wasn't in unstable when the new gtk was uploaded either |
| 15:50.37 | unit3 | samba and gnome-terminal keep spiting out segmentation faults |
| 15:50.53 | Eulex | !why is xfwm4 not in testing |
| 15:50.54 | dpkg | xfwm4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xfwm4 |
| 15:51.01 | unit3 | I've installed samba and gnome from different sources and everything. I keep getting this. |
| 15:51.02 | jelly-home | Eulex: hm. Weird, I see urgency=high for xfwm4 4.4.1-3 |
| 15:51.05 | unit3 | any ideas |
| 15:51.17 | Eulex | not yet built on arm :/ |
| 15:51.25 | jelly-home | #$%^ arm |
| 15:51.43 | jelly-home | (candidate is 43 days old) ! |
| 15:51.55 | Eulex | in any case, just get the deb from unstable, it works fine. |
| 15:52.07 | garotosopa | what's arm? compiling server? |
| 15:52.11 | jelly-home | Eulex: you're on debian-xfce team? Can you nudge whomever needs to be nudged to rebuild? |
| 15:52.29 | Eulex | jelly-home, I'm not, but I know that they're aware of it. |
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| 15:52.48 | Nihill | is proftpd easy to setup? |
| 15:52.57 | Eulex | they talked about it in #debian-xfce earlier today |
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| 15:54.19 | Nihill | everything I try comes back with wrong password |
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| 15:54.53 | jelly-home | garotosopa: one of hardware architectures supported in Debian. In this case I guess it is the arm build server (farm) that's at fault. |
| 15:54.56 | Eulex | btw, ironically, #442053 (the bug in question) is closed. reopen? |
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| 15:57.00 | jelly-home | Eulex: hm, shouldn't bts "know" it's still present in 4.4.1-2+b1 ? |
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| 15:57.24 | Eulex | it probably does, yes |
| 15:57.25 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, it wants to remove util-linux , is thatbad? i'm not familiar with that packagename |
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| 15:58.10 | jelly-home | Ward1983: that's very bad unless a newer version is going to be installed |
| 15:58.24 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, ok let me check |
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| 15:59.20 | jelly-home | good thing we have /usr/bin/ddate in an Essential package. :-) |
| 15:59.57 | muszek | hi... I just installed php5-imagick on my server and everything kinda died. log: http://86.128.83.225/error.txt . could someone please help me troubleshoot this? |
| 15:59.59 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, nothing there abotu a new version, :s |
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| 16:00.33 | jelly-home | Ward1983: pastebin the command you're running and complete output |
| 16:00.38 | muszek | it's on sarge with backports enabled |
| 16:00.47 | Eulex | muszek, I don't see any error in there |
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| 16:01.05 | jelly-home | !etch->lenny |
| 16:01.05 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 16:01.17 | owenh | Hey, is there a good channel for wireless troubleshooting in Debian (or just linux)? |
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| 16:01.21 | jelly-home | Ward1983: read that ^^ too |
| 16:01.28 | muszek | Eulex: I restarted apache after that and that's how it behaves like right now: http://poradnik.org (it's a static html page) |
| 16:01.32 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, its in dutch, whats the prefix again for default language? |
| 16:01.45 | jelly-home | Ward1983: LANG=C ... |
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| 16:02.20 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, i need to go, will be back in about half an hour |
| 16:02.27 | jelly-home | Ward1983: np |
| 16:02.29 | Ward1983 | thanx for the help so far! |
| 16:02.29 | garotosopa | Installed the new xfwm4 here. lets see |
| 16:02.42 | Ward1983 | thanx for the help so far! jelly-home |
| 16:03.15 | Eulex | muszek, appears that your apache doesn't know that that file is to be executed by php. |
| 16:03.29 | suppaman | garotosopa: xfce ? |
| 16:03.34 | Eulex | muszek, and I wouldn't call a php script a static html page |
| 16:04.04 | muszek | Eulex: sorry, my mistake (but still, it used to be fine 5 minutes ago and for the past year...) |
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| 16:04.07 | garotosopa | suppaman, yes. after some recent upgrades, X was crashing. so I'm installing xfwm4 from unstable expecting it's fixed. |
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| 16:04.17 | spoown | Hello all ! |
| 16:04.31 | suppaman | recent upgrades what of ? stable ? |
| 16:04.35 | Eulex | muszek, is the php5 module enabled? |
| 16:04.49 | Eulex | suppaman, gtk 2.12 compatibility problems in xfwm4. |
| 16:04.53 | muszek | Eulex: one sec |
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| 16:05.29 | garotosopa | suppaman, testing |
| 16:05.50 | suppaman | you brave... |
| 16:05.50 | redtape | can i ask a question about firewalk? |
| 16:06.02 | Eulex | or rather, absence of an update of xfwm4 in testing |
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| 16:06.13 | garotosopa | suppaman, me? for what? |
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| 16:06.31 | karmatronic | hey how i can connect t #debian on irssi s launching ? |
| 16:06.59 | karmatronic | shouldnt that line be enough ? { name = "#debian"; chatnet = "IRCnet"; autojoin = "Yes"; } |
| 16:07.04 | Ronin | karmatronic: thats covered on irssi.org |
| 16:07.28 | spoown | How can I get the source library like stdlib.h , stdio.h ? is there a specific package doing that ? |
| 16:07.57 | karmatronic | !linux-headers spoown |
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| 16:08.33 | Eulex | !b-e spoown |
| 16:08.34 | dpkg | spoown: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 16:09.00 | redtape | has anyone ever installed firewalk on a debian etch install? |
| 16:09.04 | redtape | successfully i mean |
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| 16:09.29 | Eulex | redtape, considering that the firewall is part of the kernel: yes, all who have installed etch. |
| 16:09.39 | karmatronic | redtape: what s that ? |
| 16:09.40 | redtape | no, firewalk |
| 16:09.52 | Eulex | oh. so it wasn't just a misspelling... |
| 16:09.53 | Ronin | what is firewalk redtape ? |
| 16:09.55 | redtape | its a tool for mapping out networks behind firewalls |
| 16:10.12 | spoown | I'm new to debian, I switch from a gentoo !! so let's try to install linux-headers |
| 16:10.26 | redtape | i get an error, and im not quite sure why |
| 16:10.32 | creature | Hello. Every now and again my video goes nuts; see http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/screenshot-crazyvideo.jpg . This is from luvcview, but mplayer does the same thing. It's fine on a restart of X, though I don't want to restart X. How do I stop this? |
| 16:10.37 | karmatronic | redtape: what s the error ? |
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| 16:10.41 | redtape | i can ./configure and its all fine |
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| 16:10.46 | Eulex | spoown, won't help you. |
| 16:10.53 | redtape | then when i try to make, hang on, let me show you the error |
| 16:11.01 | redtape | ill just try remaking here |
| 16:11.07 | Ronin | !tell redtape about paste |
| 16:11.21 | redtape | whats paste? |
| 16:11.25 | redtape | ive never heard of it |
| 16:11.32 | karmatronic | redtape: yeah now i remember i used that actually |
| 16:11.33 | Ronin | redtape: read what dpkg told you |
| 16:11.43 | redtape | hang on 1 sec |
| 16:11.50 | bzed | creature: try mplayer with a divverent video output driver |
| 16:11.53 | karmatronic | redtape: i wrote a "similar tool" named firehole/fireholed |
| 16:11.57 | bzed | creature: mplayer -vo help should list them |
| 16:12.08 | karmatronic | redtape: and then saw there was already a better tool named firewalk |
| 16:12.47 | redtape | karma, did firewalk make alright for you? |
| 16:13.00 | creature | bzed: It works with -vo x11, but I don't thin kthat uses an overlay, which I guess is thep roblem. |
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| 16:13.06 | redtape | i get this error upon making: firewalk.c: In function ‘firewalk’: |
| 16:13.06 | redtape | firewalk.c:193: error: label at end of compound statement |
| 16:13.06 | redtape | make[1]: *** [firewalk.o] Error 1 |
| 16:13.06 | redtape | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/joshua/Downloads/Firewalk/src' |
| 16:13.06 | redtape | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
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| 16:13.13 | karmatronic | redtape: yeah it worked , but let me compile it again |
| 16:13.28 | Ronin | guess redtape didnt read what dpkg said |
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| 16:13.59 | Ronin | !paste |
| 16:13.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:14.03 | redtape | hehe, sorry i got kicked for pasting |
| 16:14.08 | redtape | didnt realise... |
| 16:14.08 | Ronin | guess you didnt read what dpkg tokd you did you redtape |
| 16:14.11 | karmatronic | joshua , dont paste! |
| 16:14.17 | redtape | lol |
| 16:14.29 | edju | I can't get wireless to work. If anyone has a minute or two to check http://rafb.net/p/AdSGKt28.html, and if any solution jumps out, I'd love to hear it. |
| 16:14.44 | redtape | did it block my paste? |
| 16:15.00 | Eulex | redtape, fix the source. or report to the creators of firewalk that it fails the compile. |
| 16:15.01 | redtape | and just out of curiosity, is my computer name displayed on this channel? |
| 16:15.04 | redtape | ok |
| 16:15.22 | Eulex | redtape, we can see your ip, if that's what you're referring to. |
| 16:15.29 | muszek | Eulex: php5 module is enabled, but I found this in /var/log/apache2/error.log : |
| 16:15.30 | muszek | [Sat Nov 03 11:12:59 2007] [notice] SIGHUP received. Attempting to restart |
| 16:15.30 | muszek | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/apc.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 16:15.30 | muszek | [Sat Nov 03 11:13:00 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) DAV/2 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 configured -- resuming normal operations |
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| 16:15.32 | redtape | unfortunately, i am not good enough at C/C++ to change the source |
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| 16:15.45 | muszek | sorry |
| 16:15.48 | karmatronic | redtape: i m trying to compile your stuff |
| 16:15.53 | redtape | ok :) |
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| 16:16.30 | redtape | karma, why did you just call me joshua? |
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| 16:16.59 | karmatronic | redtape: cos it s the name you pasted ! you shouldnt have , joshua :) |
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| 16:17.04 | redtape | ah yes |
| 16:17.09 | redtape | always the simplest |
| 16:17.11 | redtape | lol |
| 16:17.17 | karmatronic | :) |
| 16:17.17 | redtape | i really shouldnt have done that |
| 16:17.28 | debian-is-me | when should alsa start? 1 2 3 4 5 06 or s? |
| 16:17.36 | spoown | Eulex, yes, it don't help to install those linux-headers ! What I wanted to do, is to do a simple make, but when doint this, it tell me that the standart library like stdlib, errno |
| 16:18.04 | redtape | how is the compile going? |
| 16:18.10 | creature | bzed: The weird thing is it was working fine an hour ago. |
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| 16:18.25 | Eulex | spoown, dpkg has already told you the solution. |
| 16:18.38 | Eulex | muszek, I can't find any apc.so anywhere in debian. |
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| 16:19.02 | Eulex | oh, wait, it might be part of the backports package... |
| 16:19.20 | muszek | Eulex: afair it was installed with pear (php stuff) |
| 16:19.21 | redtape | karma, is everything compiling alright for you? |
| 16:19.21 | karmatronic | redtape: for the moment , i m installing the missing dev libraries |
| 16:19.27 | redtape | ok |
| 16:19.36 | Eulex | muszek, apparently it's broken. fix it! |
| 16:19.57 | muszek | Eulex: ok :) |
| 16:20.11 | tvmanukrishna1 | hi, could you help me configure my GPRS modem in Debian... |
| 16:20.25 | karmatronic | redtape: well , for the moment, it complains libdnet not here when it s there... |
| 16:20.30 | redtape | i got that too |
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| 16:20.38 | redtape | in fact, for me it was libpcap |
| 16:20.44 | redtape | not libdnet |
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| 16:21.14 | redtape | could be a poor version of libdnet |
| 16:21.29 | redtape | i had to get the most recent versions of all libs |
| 16:21.48 | karmatronic | redtape: hope that doesnt screw nmap ...:) |
| 16:21.58 | redtape | :) |
| 16:22.02 | redtape | i love nmap |
| 16:22.10 | redtape | not that I use it as much as some people |
| 16:22.13 | redtape | if you know what i mean |
| 16:22.52 | tvmanukrishna1 | hello.... any one using net from GPRS |
| 16:23.08 | karmatronic | redtape: yeah nmap is kind of cool , but the king remains netcat |
| 16:23.09 | debian-is-me | net from gps? |
| 16:23.16 | debian-is-me | from like a phone? |
| 16:23.17 | tvmanukrishna1 | ya |
| 16:23.25 | debian-is-me | what phone? |
| 16:23.27 | tvmanukrishna1 | yes... |
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| 16:23.30 | redtape | that came with debian for me, i haven't used it yet |
| 16:23.51 | redtape | what exactly does it do, is it just like a super-telnet? |
| 16:23.51 | debian-is-me | Is it a NOKIA? |
| 16:23.56 | tvmanukrishna1 | LG G1600 with Airtel connection.... from India |
| 16:23.58 | replay3 | doesnt netcat and nmap do different things? |
| 16:24.00 | replay3 | redtape: no |
| 16:24.08 | replay3 | telnet is a client for the telnet server |
| 16:24.21 | replay3 | netcat is a complete set of tcp/ip utilities |
| 16:24.29 | replay3 | like a swiss army knife for tcp/ip |
| 16:24.35 | replay3 | you can do almost everything with it |
| 16:24.41 | redtape | your reading this out of the man page aren'te you... |
| 16:24.44 | replay3 | no |
| 16:24.50 | replay3 | but I have read the man page |
| 16:24.52 | redtape | im pretty sure i saw the swiss army knife bit somewhere... |
| 16:24.55 | replay3 | like 400 times |
| 16:24.56 | redtape | hehe i was joking mate |
| 16:24.59 | replay3 | :) |
| 16:25.12 | redtape | i've only skimmed through |
| 16:25.28 | karmatronic | redtape: yeah nc rules |
| 16:25.29 | debian-is-me | Have yuou connected it with usb or bluethoot? |
| 16:25.30 | replay3 | you can for example set up netcat to listen on a specific port |
| 16:25.34 | replay3 | as a daemon |
| 16:25.39 | tvmanukrishna1 | USB |
| 16:25.41 | redtape | sounds fun |
| 16:25.50 | replay3 | or have it execute arbitrary code for you remotely :) |
| 16:25.55 | Eulex | (I've created a small streaming video server that way) |
| 16:25.57 | replay3 | yeah it's a blast |
| 16:26.00 | redtape | which is always fun |
| 16:26.05 | replay3 | yep |
| 16:26.27 | redtape | do you like point at the code in a directory and it just fires it off? |
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| 16:26.44 | karmatronic | redtape: this thing wont compile this time, i m afraid,cos it doesnt find libdnet for me... |
| 16:26.45 | redtape | sort of like with hping, you can specify what goes in the packet? |
| 16:26.57 | redtape | is it the most recent version of libdnet? |
| 16:26.57 | debian-is-me | Anyoene here up to make a new Debian based distro? |
| 16:27.07 | Eulex | debian-is-me, why? |
| 16:27.09 | Ronin | debian-is-me: why? we have debian all ready |
| 16:27.12 | tvmanukrishna1 | debian-is-me: I couldn't configure it in Debian |
| 16:27.22 | debian-is-me | I want to remove some stuff from debian. |
| 16:27.26 | replay3 | redtape: yes, or as a command line argument |
| 16:27.28 | Ronin | debian-is-me: so then remove it |
| 16:27.40 | replay3 | debian-is-me: use rm! |
| 16:27.44 | redtape | :) |
| 16:27.49 | Eulex | debian-is-me, remove what? |
| 16:27.52 | debian-is-me | Have you tried the widnows software in wine, or what software are you using? |
| 16:27.53 | redtape | i like debian just the way it is thanks |
| 16:28.10 | redtape | replay3: yes, i can see that being fun |
| 16:28.13 | debian-is-me | Alsa, portmap, klogd, sysklogd, ntf, open vsd |
| 16:28.29 | replay3 | debian-is-me: just remove those, I always do it after an installation |
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| 16:28.36 | cached | GTFO |
| 16:28.38 | replay3 | dpkg -l |grep badthingz |
| 16:28.38 | dpkg | ii |grep badthingz 2.3-2.1 replay3's private porn collection |
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| 16:28.40 | redtape | haha |
| 16:28.41 | debian-is-me | Howto? |
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| 16:29.01 | Ronin | same way you installed them only in reverse |
| 16:29.04 | redtape | karma, hows it going? |
| 16:29.08 | replay3 | debian-is-me: dpkg --purge ^ppp* for example, if you don't want ppp-stuff |
| 16:29.14 | abrotman | !tell debian-is-me about grounding |
| 16:29.26 | replay3 | man dpkg |
| 16:29.29 | replay3 | its a good program |
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| 16:30.08 | replay3 | creating a new distro just to remove 4-5 programs seems way overkill to me though... |
| 16:30.19 | redtape | :P |
| 16:30.38 | replay3 | I have no need for lots of stuff in the generic kernel. that does not make me code a new kernel |
| 16:30.40 | debian-is-me | I think it sounds great |
| 16:30.44 | replay3 | I just remove what I don't need... |
| 16:30.57 | debian-is-me | and we can make gnome withoput the bluethooth thing |
| 16:31.01 | Ronin | debian-is-me: have at it then debian-is-me but asking here to make yet another spin off likely isnt the best think |
| 16:31.05 | Ronin | thing |
| 16:31.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:31.53 | debian-is-me | I agree, we shoul convince the dbian team to remove it themselves |
| 16:31.56 | replay3 | debian-is-me: yes and kitchens without ovens (I never use my oven) |
| 16:32.14 | redtape | haha |
| 16:32.15 | muszek | Eulex: I corrected the error with php.ini (during installation of imagemagick something went at the end of last line instead of the new line). same stuff. I commented out apc and imagick lines - same stuff... any other ideas? when starting apache, I don't get any errors now. |
| 16:32.40 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: I am using GPRS from my Ubuntu laptop via my Bluetooth to my Nokia phone, is it that kind of setup you want? |
| 16:32.51 | replay3 | I disagree dutchfish. each to his own. we should all be fighting. |
| 16:33.00 | baffle | -mu |
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| 16:33.23 | replay3 | survival of the fittest (least owned) |
| 16:33.25 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: but I have USB and the modem is not detected |
| 16:33.38 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: You have an USB connection to your phone? |
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| 16:34.09 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: yeah.. tried wvdialconf. It couldn't find the modem |
| 16:34.12 | ttick | why do I have all these funky characters (like Euro marks etc) in my man pages? |
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| 16:34.26 | ttick | my term is xterm |
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| 16:34.38 | abrotman | ttick: like aptitude ? |
| 16:34.40 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: Well, is the phone recognized as a serial device? |
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| 16:35.02 | dutchfish | replay3, are you from microsoft? |
| 16:35.03 | ttick | abrotman: yes, is aptitude too |
| 16:35.18 | ttick | abrotman: i mean 'man aptitude' |
| 16:35.19 | abrotman | ttick: known issue |
| 16:35.22 | replay3 | dutchfish: hah, I wish. |
| 16:35.29 | Nyle | I have 2.6.22 on testing, and I have the bcm43xx_injection_2.6.22.patch applied to the source file bcm43xx_main.c. The online resource says compile the modules with make modules and make modules_install. I was wondering, is there a way to generate the .ko file for JUST the patched bcm43xx and not everything? |
| 16:35.37 | zapnap | where would i get a deb package for ruby 1.8.6 (instead of 1.8.5) for etch? i'd rather do that than build from source... |
| 16:35.40 | replay3 | then I'd afford a bottle of Dom Perignon tonight... |
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| 16:35.57 | ttick | abrotman: okay. |
| 16:36.00 | abrotman | zapnap: maybe backports.org .. if not ... /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:36.04 | redtape | zapnap, compiling from source isnt all that bad |
| 16:36.07 | Nyle | I need only to compile this driver, please advise |
| 16:36.17 | redtape | source is my friend :) |
| 16:36.20 | zapnap | redtape: i know, i just prefer to have everything installed as packages if possible |
| 16:36.25 | zapnap | abrotman: will check it out, thanks |
| 16:36.35 | replay3 | zapnap: compile it and create a package out of it |
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| 16:36.53 | redtape | there should be something out there, have you tried the synaptic package manager? |
| 16:37.09 | replay3 | aptitude > * |
| 16:37.34 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: when tried lsusb, got this: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 6547:0232 |
| 16:37.59 | zapnap | replay3: never had to do that before :) |
| 16:38.16 | abrotman | zapnap: but i don't see them at backports.org .. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:38.17 | bzed | Nyle: the bcm43* module should be in the normal debian kernel |
| 16:38.26 | zapnap | abrotman: ok |
| 16:38.29 | abrotman | he might need the fwcutter |
| 16:38.32 | replay3 | zapnap: learn how to do it, it's actually very useful and VERY simple |
| 16:38.33 | Nyle | bzed: yes but its not patched for packet injection afaik |
| 16:38.36 | abrotman | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 16:38.37 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: If you look at dmesg output, does it seem like it has created a USB device? I.e. like /dev/ttyUSB0 ? :) |
| 16:38.39 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 16:38.42 | zapnap | replay3: got a tut or something you can point me to? |
| 16:38.44 | Nyle | bzed: it comes with the patch file, but it needs to be remade |
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| 16:39.37 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: I'll send u the output in a file... I don't know much abt it... |
| 16:40.09 | bzed | Nyle: I'd just build a new kernel package using make-kpkg from kernel-package. |
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| 16:40.21 | zapnap | the deb source line i have to add to sources.list ... says to just add it for 'sid'... pardon my ignorance but what exactly do i put there? what's the address of sid? |
| 16:40.30 | zapnap | or do i literally just put deb-src sid :o |
| 16:40.35 | zapnap | hehe |
| 16:41.05 | suppaman | are docklets standard ? |
| 16:41.14 | suppaman | I'd like to have network traffic in fbpanel |
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| 16:42.04 | dutchfish | what is etch's default mode param at kernel boot i.e. write-through or write-back of non is given (at a non-raid setup)? |
| 16:42.04 | replay3 | zapnap: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 |
| 16:42.05 | abrotman | zapnap: you'd copy a regular line that you're using for etch .. and change etch to sid and change deb to deb-src |
| 16:42.05 | zapnap | got it, thanks guys |
| 16:42.05 | zapnap | sorry for the noobiness |
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| 16:42.05 | zapnap | i'm usually a freebsd type |
| 16:42.05 | zapnap | :D |
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| 16:42.24 | karmatronic | redtape: sorry buddy cant help you, this stuff wont compile here...:) |
| 16:42.56 | Nyle | bzed: well, I'm the kernel source tree atm, and I'm using sudo make driver/net/wireless/bcm43xx/ <- patched source, as it turns out I need to make menuconfig first. I do make menuconfig and I get hundreds of options. Does this mean I have no config file generated? or just that the file needs some sort of entry? |
| 16:43.18 | karmatronic | zapnap: that s ok , we appreciate freebsd |
| 16:43.32 | zapnap | and i appreciate debian ;-) |
| 16:43.41 | replay3 | I like freebsd too |
| 16:43.43 | abrotman | karmatronic: we do?! |
| 16:43.48 | zapnap | if i have to use linux instead of *bsd, it's debian all the way, baby |
| 16:43.54 | karmatronic | abrotman: i do :) |
| 16:44.01 | abrotman | zapnap: fyi .. there is a debian with a bsd kernel now |
| 16:44.04 | karmatronic | abrotman: you dont ? |
| 16:44.05 | abrotman | karmatronic: i was kidding |
| 16:44.09 | zapnap | abrotman: hrmm very cool |
| 16:44.17 | replay3 | zapnap: if I have to use *bsd instead of linux, it's netbsd or freebsd all teh way |
| 16:44.21 | zapnap | (people often assume gentoo would be the dist of choice for freebsd people, ick) |
| 16:44.24 | cast | gnu/kfreebsd was pretty usuable last time i used it |
| 16:44.30 | dutchfish | !gentoo |
| 16:44.30 | dpkg | [gentoo] a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 16:44.32 | replay3 | gentoo sux |
| 16:44.42 | karmatronic | zapnap: well that would be arch linux i guess |
| 16:44.44 | zapnap | dutchfish: rotfl |
| 16:44.55 | zapnap | karmatronic: yea, haven't used arch yet. on the list of things to investigate. |
| 16:45.04 | karmatronic | replay3: no no it doesnt suck....there exist people who like to watch compilations during varisou days :) |
| 16:45.06 | zapnap | gentoo is awful. awful awful awful. and i really wish it weren't :( |
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| 16:45.17 | zapnap | because ports systems are fantastic |
| 16:45.23 | zapnap | at least in the *bsd world ;-) |
| 16:45.35 | replay3 | karmatronic: I do too, but that's not the only reason to why it sucks :) |
| 16:45.39 | bzed | Nyle: first thing: NEVER build thigns as root. |
| 16:45.39 | replay3 | bloated as hell |
| 16:45.40 | replay3 | it is |
| 16:45.44 | replay3 | bad, it is |
| 16:45.59 | karmatronic | replay3: keep cool :) |
| 16:46.04 | suppaman | !greenhouse |
| 16:46.05 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 16:46.13 | bzed | Nyle: go into the kernel source dir and run cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config |
| 16:46.16 | replay3 | zapnap: yeah, in freebsd and netbsd they are, in gentoo they suck and in openbsd... well openbsd always sucks :) |
| 16:46.28 | zapnap | replay3: yeah i'm not an openbsd fan either |
| 16:46.33 | replay3 | suppaman: haha |
| 16:46.43 | bzed | Nyle: run make menuconfig (or any other way to config the kernel afterwards), then cd into the broadcom directory and run make there, this could work |
| 16:46.46 | debian-is-me | Me neither, open bsd sucks |
| 16:46.57 | replay3 | is theo still alive btw? |
| 16:46.58 | suppaman | does it ? |
| 16:47.02 | suppaman | but it has a cute mascotte |
| 16:47.10 | replay3 | is the rat still alive? |
| 16:47.22 | replay3 | or whatever his last name was... |
| 16:47.24 | debian-is-me | The virus kind? |
| 16:47.29 | karmatronic | replay3: you mean theo or the mascot ? |
| 16:47.34 | suppaman | the virus-fish thing |
| 16:47.45 | replay3 | karmatronic: isn't both basically the same thing? |
| 16:47.49 | replay3 | :) |
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| 16:48.07 | debian-is-me | Can I control windows computers from debian? |
| 16:48.12 | replay3 | debian-is-me: yes |
| 16:48.15 | abrotman | yes via rdesktop |
| 16:48.15 | replay3 | via rdp |
| 16:48.19 | karmatronic | debian-is-me: yes ,use rdekstop for instance |
| 16:48.27 | suppaman | and they have a song at every release |
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| 16:48.32 | replay3 | or ./wind0wz-r00tkit |
| 16:48.32 | karmatronic | s/rdekstop/rdesktop |
| 16:48.33 | suppaman | and a comic strip |
| 16:48.37 | debian-is-me | Can I use remotley anywhere? |
| 16:48.38 | suppaman | that's added value |
| 16:48.46 | adrian | can anyone tell a program for watching TV on internet |
| 16:48.49 | suppaman | debian would need a mascotte imho |
| 16:48.57 | debian-is-me | we have tux |
| 16:48.58 | dutchfish | !ivtv |
| 16:48.58 | dpkg | somebody said ivtv was similar to bttv but the card has a mpeg-2 chip on it....Hauppage pvr-150/250/350/500s etc... latest drivers are at http://www.ivtv.tv ...ivtv.sourceforge.net is not the solution to use for these cards as of yet |
| 16:49.02 | replay3 | no mascots suck |
| 16:49.12 | debian-is-me | TUX RULEZ |
| 16:49.14 | cast | tux is an unsuitable mascot |
| 16:49.22 | debian-is-me | why? |
| 16:49.32 | debian-is-me | windows only have a stupid flagg? |
| 16:49.41 | replay3 | tux is no "mascot" |
| 16:50.03 | cast | its the linux mascot, and as such conveys linus's values, wouldn't you say? and how would the people who use debian sans linux feel |
| 16:50.13 | adrian | can anyone tell a program for watching TV on internet |
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| 16:50.28 | debian-is-me | How did linus manage to write an os? like where do you start? |
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| 16:50.33 | karmatronic | adrian: zattoo |
| 16:50.34 | replay3 | adrian: if I find one, I'll tell it |
| 16:50.41 | karmatronic | adrian: peertv |
| 16:50.49 | karmatronic | adrian: tvuplayer |
| 16:50.52 | adrian | thanks |
| 16:51.00 | karmatronic | adrian: sopcast |
| 16:51.04 | replay3 | debian-is-me: #include <stdio.h> for example |
| 16:51.07 | adrian | the thing is i found a site for watching on line tv |
| 16:51.10 | karmatronic | adrian: televidilo |
| 16:51.12 | replay3 | a good place to start |
| 16:51.16 | dutchfish | adrian, mplayer, vlc, xine and more |
| 16:51.24 | adrian | but they don-t have real support for mplayer plugin |
| 16:51.32 | debian-is-me | HOw many oses ar there? Linux windows, unix, and amigaos |
| 16:51.39 | adrian | it work on windoze |
| 16:51.44 | abrotman | debian-is-me: do you actally have a Debian question? |
| 16:51.48 | karmatronic | adrian: use media player connectivity extension for firefox/iceweasel |
| 16:51.54 | debian-is-me | yes |
| 16:52.06 | adrian | debian question |
| 16:52.11 | replay3 | irix, aix, OpenVMS, VAX/VMS, sunos, solaris, etc etc |
| 16:52.16 | replay3 | there are lots of os's |
| 16:52.34 | karmatronic | replay3: irix is dead |
| 16:52.36 | debian-is-me | should not using alsa make programs come up with loads of strange error messages, like unaallowed oiperation??? |
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| 16:52.37 | abrotman | replay3: please stop |
| 16:52.43 | adrian | when will i have AIGLX really working out of the box on my mobility radeon x600 |
| 16:52.45 | replay3 | debian-is-me: not in taiwan! |
| 16:52.47 | karmatronic | replay3: aix will be soon , hopefully |
| 16:52.52 | irix|AFK | replay3: heh, you are hilighting me! But I'm not that IRIX OS! :D |
| 16:52.53 | replay3 | abrotman: with? |
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| 16:53.05 | replay3 | irix|AFK: haha |
| 16:53.12 | karmatronic | adrian: use media player connectivity extension |
| 16:53.43 | debian-is-me | Is there a linux distro that only display a selected image on screen? and nothing else? |
| 16:53.53 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: some connection problems |
| 16:54.01 | abrotman | debian-is-me: do you have a debian question or not? |
| 16:54.04 | debian-is-me | ok,. bye |
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| 16:55.00 | dutchfish | what is etch's default mode param at kernel boot i.e. write-through or write-back if none is given (at a non-raid setup)? |
| 16:55.14 | abrotman | for software raid ? |
| 16:55.22 | dutchfish | abrotman, no raud |
| 16:55.27 | dutchfish | abrotman, no raid |
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| 16:56.09 | abrotman | uhm .. how did i use all my /home/ .. |
| 16:56.14 | tvmanukrishna1 | any way to configure GPRS modem in debian... uses USB cable connection... Phone:LG G1600 |
| 16:56.45 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: first you need a driver for that |
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| 16:57.24 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: where could I get it? |
| 16:57.24 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: Its not in LG site |
| 16:57.30 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: Can you put the output of "dmesg" on http://pastebin.ca/ ? |
| 16:57.36 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: no no not in LG site |
| 16:57.59 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: there s a generic driver , let me remeber his name |
| 16:58.13 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: still you ll get a crapy connection anyway |
| 16:58.16 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: ok |
| 16:58.30 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: pay you good time , pay you those pcmcia cards from orange |
| 16:58.54 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: they re well supported under linux , and try to get the bill paid by your boss |
| 16:59.00 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: that s what i do :) |
| 16:59.15 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: i just need to get connected to net from Debian |
| 16:59.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, some systems running write-through some do not, strange |
| 16:59.26 | baffle | karmatronic: I get a decent connection using Bluetooth -> Nokia -> 3G. Works ok. |
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| 16:59.50 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: And I am a student... |
| 16:59.52 | abrotman | dutchfish: depends on the controller maybe? |
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| 17:00.16 | dutchfish | abrotman, atm, the ones i did check al runnig simple plain old pata 100 or 133 |
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| 17:00.47 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: Can you put the dmesg output on pastebin? |
| 17:01.02 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: I am doing it... |
| 17:01.24 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: the driver is called cdc_acm i think |
| 17:01.26 | ttick | are there any secure file transfer programs that will throttle your transfer for you? I don't want to kill the host's bandwidth |
| 17:01.35 | ttick | preferably a command-line option |
| 17:01.49 | ttick | heh, --limit |
| 17:01.51 | ttick | nvm |
| 17:01.57 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: I am googling for it now itself |
| 17:01.59 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: yes i confirm , you need cdc_acm driver in your kernel |
| 17:02.13 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: no no it s supposed to be in your kernel |
| 17:02.13 | abrotman | ttick: trickle |
| 17:02.18 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 17:02.19 | dutchfish | abrotman, if those that are running write-through been rebooted with mode=write-back in kernel config line they pleasently run at write-back .... strange |
| 17:02.26 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: or you ll have to recompile your kernel |
| 17:02.37 | tvmanukrishna1 | oh |
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| 17:02.48 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: will it be there already or with the Cd? |
| 17:03.00 | fflush2 | ls |
| 17:03.18 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: if you re using the default kernel from the install, it should probably be there |
| 17:03.39 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: and should load directly when youre pluggin the pone |
| 17:03.43 | karmatronic | phone |
| 17:03.51 | dutchfish | abrotman, is this (mode) detected in udev or earlier? |
| 17:03.54 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: i am just a newbie.. |
| 17:04.00 | abrotman | dutchfish: i can't imagine it's a udev thing |
| 17:04.16 | dutchfish | abrotman, should be a kernel thingy i suppose |
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| 17:04.44 | dutchfish | abrotman, gone delv into it |
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| 17:04.47 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: it creates a /dev/ttyACM0 that is the one you ll need to configure your ppp connection |
| 17:05.03 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: if you re newbie , apt-get install gnome-ppp |
| 17:05.16 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: it didn't |
| 17:05.16 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: its taking much time... shall I upload it to some other and share u the link? |
| 17:05.18 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: it will provide a simple GUI for those stuff |
| 17:05.43 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: Seems karmatronic allready has found your answer. |
| 17:05.45 | tvmanukrishna1 | ihave gnome-ppp |
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| 17:06.01 | dutchfish | abrotman, surprise! its a bios thingy ... mmm ... |
| 17:06.09 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: still run dmesg after plugging the phone to see if this special device is created |
| 17:06.21 | abrotman | dutchfish: i don't think i have that option :) |
| 17:06.22 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: or run modinfo cdc_acm to see if you do have this driver |
| 17:06.28 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: I.e. just do a "modprobe cdc-acm" and I guess the bottom of your dmesg output should mention the device node. |
| 17:06.36 | karmatronic | baffle: right |
| 17:06.53 | karmatronic | baffle: but if it doesnt load automatically, then...bad sign |
| 17:07.08 | dutchfish | abrotman, it looks like some bioses support write-back too well |
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| 17:07.38 | abrotman | oh .. i know that more expensive drive controllers have the option .. didn't know it was in some BIOSes |
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| 17:08.44 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: baffle: the dmesg output file is here: http://www.bizzard.info/temp.txt |
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| 17:09.13 | tvmanukrishna1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:09.33 | groton | how to change the default shell in debian? just changing the /bin/sh link suffice it? |
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| 17:10.00 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: Well, as far as I can see from your output it has detected an USB<->Serial converter, and registred /dev/ttyUSB0 ... |
| 17:10.02 | abrotman | groton: default shell for everything or just users ? |
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| 17:10.09 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: that s fun , kernel does find your computer internal modem :) |
| 17:10.18 | groton | abrotman, both |
| 17:10.23 | baffle | tvmanukrishna1: Have you tried setting up a connection using that device node, and just dialed *99# ? |
| 17:10.38 | haggz | groton: you need to be careful changing the /bin/sh link I believe, because scripts that call /bin/sh might break depending on what you change to |
| 17:10.51 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: That's dial up... |
| 17:11.03 | abrotman | groton: the users have their shell set in /etc/passwd .. you can change that symlink .. just be careful what you change it to .. |
| 17:11.19 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: karmatronic: i want the GPRS modem |
| 17:11.20 | groton | haggz, i would like to have bash as the default one. Instead i have the dash here, which does not handle correctly (perhaps) the backtick :/ |
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| 17:12.05 | h3sp4wn | groton: If you want it to dash you can use dpkg-reconfigure (but don't use lash) |
| 17:12.05 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: have you tried the modinfo cdc_acm ? |
| 17:12.05 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: karmatronic: Dial up is from Conexant and only 14kbps driver is provided |
| 17:12.05 | fasta | How can I watch this on Debian assuming it does have sound? http://www.grandchallenge.org/darpauc07/watchtherace/livevideo.html |
| 17:12.05 | h3sp4wn | groton: no sorry posh (or alot of stuff will break) |
| 17:12.05 | tvmanukrishna1 | no... i am not in debian now |
| 17:12.17 | fasta | (I can view it, but there is no sound. ) |
| 17:12.39 | tvmanukrishna1 | baffle: karmatronic: shall I restart and try modinfo cdc_acm? |
| 17:12.57 | abrotman | fasta: that website is really slow |
| 17:12.58 | karmatronic | fasta: use the link saying "launch video in external player"..... |
| 17:13.16 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishna1: restart is almost never necessary...first lesson :) |
| 17:13.18 | groton | is dash the default on debian? |
| 17:13.23 | h3sp4wn | groton: No |
| 17:13.29 | karmatronic | groton: no it s called bash |
| 17:13.43 | groton | h3sp4wn, then i wonder why my /bin/sh link points to /bin/dash :/ |
| 17:13.49 | fasta | karmatronic: that still starts it in the browser. |
| 17:13.53 | h3sp4wn | groton: running ubuntu ? |
| 17:14.00 | groton | Debian of course |
| 17:14.02 | h3sp4wn | groton: dpkg-reconfigure dash |
| 17:14.08 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: I am not in debian now.. in windows... so restart to get to debian |
| 17:14.14 | h3sp4wn | (and then choose no to use dash as /bin/sh) |
| 17:14.16 | fasta | karmatronic: I already got the URL from the totem plugin, but I cannot use it with anything else. |
| 17:14.20 | abrotman | fasta: the sound volume is *really* low |
| 17:14.51 | karmatronic | fasta: use the media player connectivity extension for firefox |
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| 17:15.15 | karmatronic | fasta: i m watching your "totally boring" stuff and with sound :) |
| 17:15.38 | fasta | karmatronic: with that extension? |
| 17:15.41 | groton | h3sp4wn, thanks a lot, recofiguring solved my problem. Evidently it HAS BEEN my fault :) when i installed dash i chose to set it as default, since they say "it's smaller and faster" :) |
| 17:15.42 | karmatronic | fasta: yes |
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| 17:16.03 | tvmanukrishna1 | karmatronic: baffle: I am going 4 a restart... Thanks 4 your help |
| 17:16.05 | karmatronic | fasta: it allows to open embeeded video in an external app |
| 17:16.05 | fasta | I actually kind of hate extensions, since their quality sucks most of the time. |
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| 17:16.21 | fasta | karmatronic: and what external player are you using? |
| 17:16.26 | karmatronic | fasta: well that extension is not a player |
| 17:16.33 | karmatronic | fasta: mplayer , vlc |
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| 17:16.50 | fasta | karmatronic: when I give the URL to vlc, vlc gives an error. |
| 17:16.55 | fasta | karmatronic: the same for mplayer |
| 17:17.06 | Tabakhase | Url is? |
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| 17:17.18 | fasta | mmsh://mantech-duc-low.wm.llnwd.net/mantech_duc-high?MSWMExt=.asf |
| 17:17.32 | karmatronic | fasta: mplayer http://mantech-duc-low.wm.llnwd.net/mantech_duc-low |
| 17:17.51 | fasta | karmatronic: how did you get that URL? |
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| 17:18.01 | karmatronic | fasta: wait i m not sure it s ok |
| 17:18.13 | karmatronic | fasta: yes that worked ! |
| 17:18.17 | fasta | karmatronic: you guessed? |
| 17:18.32 | karmatronic | fasta: with my favorite extension ( i m not that good :) ) |
| 17:18.51 | karmatronic | fasta: really, give it a try |
| 17:18.58 | fasta | karmatronic: ok, that sounds nice. |
| 17:19.01 | abrotman | fasta: FYI .. it works for me in epiphany with totem |
| 17:19.05 | fasta | karmatronic: still, I don't get sound. |
| 17:19.08 | abrotman | fasta: with sound! |
| 17:19.19 | abrotman | fasta: turn up your PCM volume |
| 17:19.37 | fasta | abrotman: it is up |
| 17:19.47 | karmatronic | fasta: unmute it |
| 17:19.48 | fasta | abrotman: I can play mp3 files perfectly |
| 17:19.58 | fasta | karmatronic: it is unmuted |
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| 17:20.05 | karim_ | hi |
| 17:20.07 | abrotman | mp3 has nothying todo with pcvm |
| 17:20.17 | karim_ | is there a benchmark tool on linux ? |
| 17:20.21 | DeFender1031 | how do i install a package that i downloaded manually? |
| 17:20.30 | abrotman | DeFender1031: man dpkg |
| 17:20.36 | abrotman | karim_: benchmark what ? |
| 17:20.38 | karmatronic | hi karim, my name s karim too |
| 17:20.52 | fasta | abrotman: ok, how can I make sure it's raised? |
| 17:20.53 | DeFender1031 | oh right... forgot it was dpkg, tried to use apt-get |
| 17:20.54 | karim_ | abrotman: benchmark a G3 and G4 |
| 17:20.59 | fasta | abrotman: I already checked alsamixer |
| 17:21.14 | abrotman | karim_: yes .. benchmark what? cpu? gpu? ram? disk? heat? |
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| 17:21.24 | abrotman | fasta: like i said . it's pretty low |
| 17:21.33 | karim_ | abrotman: they are both 400mhz cpu, but I feel at usage that the G3 is faster, it's surprising. |
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| 17:21.53 | karim_ | abrotman: benchmark cpu and disk and ram mostly |
| 17:22.08 | abrotman | karim_: apt-cache search benchmark .. quite a few |
| 17:22.10 | fasta | abrotman: all I hear is noise, with everything raised to the max. |
| 17:22.12 | karim_ | abrotman: I just want to know which part gives this feeling of smoothness |
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| 17:23.29 | karmatronic | fasta: maybe this video uses an audio codec your mplayer was compiled without |
| 17:23.38 | abrotman | totem works! |
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| 17:23.49 | fasta | karmatronic: Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm: ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg)) |
| 17:23.55 | fasta | karmatronic: no, that's not it. |
| 17:24.30 | solanaceo | hi guys, please.. can anybody refresh me the command for finding wich package provides X binary? |
| 17:24.36 | karmatronic | fasta: right , so the good audio codec is detected and still you have no sound ? |
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| 17:24.59 | fasta | karmatronic: I don't know whether it's the right codec, but there's no reason to believe it isn't. |
| 17:25.14 | karmatronic | fasta: as it works with mplayer for me |
| 17:25.26 | abrotman | totem works for me! |
| 17:25.39 | abrotman | fasta: lsmod | grep pcm .. get anything ? |
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| 17:25.45 | fasta | abrotman: the video works for me too, just the audio doesn't. |
| 17:26.28 | fasta | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/41403 |
| 17:26.31 | karmatronic | fasta: maybe your connection is too slow , and yuor player drops sound ..just a guess |
| 17:26.57 | fasta | karmatronic: no, connection is fast enough. |
| 17:27.34 | karmatronic | fasta: try mplayer -novideo to be sure the problem is not there... |
| 17:27.39 | fasta | abrotman: maybe it sends it to the wrong audio device, is that possible? |
| 17:27.53 | karmatronic | fasta: you have several audio devices ? |
| 17:27.58 | fasta | karmatronic: yes |
| 17:28.02 | karmatronic | fasta: or some usb webcam ? |
| 17:28.21 | fasta | karmatronic: but other videos or sound files show sound correctly. |
| 17:28.30 | fasta | karmatronic: same result |
| 17:28.46 | karmatronic | fasta: then cat /proc/asound/devices to list them , and be sure the 0 device is the one you really try to grab sound from |
| 17:29.12 | fasta | karmatronic: 0: [ 0] : control |
| 17:29.32 | fasta | karmatronic: that doesn't tell me anything |
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| 17:32.21 | karmatronic | fasta: cat /proc/asound/cards sorry |
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| 17:32.25 | jelly-home | Hmph. Authorized vendor wants $60 for a 512MB module for my stinkpad. For $60 I can get 2x1GB from eg. memoryx.net, compatible with relevant IBM part number. |
| 17:33.20 | jelly-home | aaand wrong channel, that whine should have gone to ##ibmthinkpad :-| |
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| 17:34.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: btw .. don't buy from IBM unless you have to :) |
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| 17:35.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: technically I'm buying from Lenovo now I guess :-) |
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| 17:35.12 | abrotman | jelly-home: i guess ... |
| 17:35.33 | karmatronic | abrotman: how come ? |
| 17:35.46 | abrotman | karmatronic: they charge an arm and a leg .. |
| 17:35.52 | abrotman | and an eyeball too |
| 17:36.25 | jelly-home | well, obviously they won't get my money for their overpriced memory... I wonder if I could stick in some ECC RAM though. |
| 17:38.05 | karmatronic | jelly-home: but they still sell thinkpads ? |
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| 17:38.16 | jelly-home | reminds me of Sun's replacement part prices. "See this seagate 73GB disk? We'll stick a Sun label and some plastic around, and charge you triple!" |
| 17:38.57 | karmatronic | jelly-home: yeah , i use to do hardware support for sun and i confirm they do that :) |
| 17:39.04 | karmatronic | used to |
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| 17:40.54 | simonrvn | i assume it's a quasi-scam, where the quality isn't there, and the price isn't warranted |
| 17:41.17 | factor | does apt-get install have a way to grab the suggested packages as well without having to type them in |
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| 17:41.28 | netdaemon | factor, aptitude |
| 17:41.40 | netdaemon | aptitude > apt-get =) |
| 17:41.58 | jelly-home | well, you pay dearly for support, like anywhere else. Having someone else to blame is a good thing. |
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| 17:43.06 | h3sp4wn | Having something that actually has been tested is at least to sun's customers is important |
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| 17:43.28 | h3sp4wn | presumably sun's customers think its fine or they wouldn't pay the prices |
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| 17:43.56 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: when you pay 500,000$ for a machine .. a single drive isn't that big of a deal :) |
| 17:44.08 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: exactly |
| 17:44.38 | abrotman | and if you pay 500k for the machine .. you probably have a nice support contract that gets you free hardware replacements |
| 17:44.47 | wickers | hopefulyl |
| 17:45.05 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: But they not exactly appealing to people for home use |
| 17:45.07 | convivial | hello! |
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| 17:45.23 | convivial | is there a programming style for configuration files? |
| 17:45.38 | jelly-home | low dollar is a very nice thing to have whne you're thinking short term :-) |
| 17:46.04 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: no .. but i don't have a climate controlled romo with a raised floor either |
| 17:46.04 | wickers | jelly-home: how so? |
| 17:46.16 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: And sun support when I have experienced it was completely shit hot (i.e engineer within 4 hours - kernel debugged - hotfix later that day) |
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| 17:46.34 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: sure .. IBM is the same way |
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| 17:46.45 | wickers | abrotman: raised floors are out of style... ;) |
| 17:46.51 | deadbeef | HI, excuseme, how do i localize my debian etch to ITALIAN ? |
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| 17:47.10 | abrotman | deadbeef: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. make an italian one your default |
| 17:47.18 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: It is definately worth the money (as long as it not mine :)) |
| 17:47.23 | jelly-home | wickers: cheap US prices for gadgets when you use another currency, like euro |
| 17:47.30 | deadbeef | abrotman: will it properly visualize accents and stuff then ? |
| 17:47.45 | abrotman | deadbeef: dunno .. my native language sucks .. we don't use accents :) |
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| 17:48.15 | deadbeef | abrotman: what's your native language ? |
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| 17:48.15 | abrotman | english :) |
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| 17:48.16 | wickers | jelly-home: ahh, i thought you were saying that from within the US... I'm Canadian, so so plenty of shopping trips to be had this comming christmas seasion. |
| 17:48.37 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 17:48.37 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
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| 17:49.17 | wickers | well, this unreal country just blew past your weak dollar... |
| 17:49.18 | tvmanukrishnan | baffle: it didn't work |
| 17:49.49 | abrotman | wickers: oh .. like that was hard .. |
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| 17:50.13 | gryfie_ | can I protect a package from beeing replaced ? |
| 17:50.14 | jelly-home | too bad global economy hangs on US$ |
| 17:50.20 | abrotman | !tell gryfie_ about hold |
| 17:50.34 | tvmanukrishnan | karmatronic: there is no device as ACM0 |
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| 17:51.40 | wickers | But being Canadian, I still want the best for the US, as we're pretty much tied at the hip in the long run. :( |
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| 17:52.20 | wickers | If I was in the US, I'd vote Ron Paul for primary... for example. |
| 17:52.24 | wickers | *ducks* |
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| 17:53.02 | Alarm | hello, i tried to install kwin-style-metal4kde , but it wants some dependecies. kdelibs4 ,libqt3c102-mt . i got kde 3.5.7 should i better quit the installation or those libraries wont harm my system |
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| 17:54.27 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishnan: tried that modinfo cdc_acm i told you ? |
| 17:55.09 | tvmanukrishnan | yeah |
| 17:55.16 | jelly-home | dpkg, ducks =~ s/ins/uins/ |
| 17:55.16 | dpkg | OK, jelly-home |
| 17:55.54 | wickers | how do I tell if a hardware real time clock is being used over a software bit? |
| 17:56.07 | wickers | I mean, my clock keeps losing time. |
| 17:56.39 | h3sp4wn | wickers: If you have a permenant net connection you could use rdate or ntp |
| 17:57.24 | tvmanukrishnan | karmatronic: uploaded the result here: http://www.bizzard.info/temp2.txt |
| 17:57.57 | dto | i'm making a custom debian package out of a source archive using dh_make (with the -b option to make it use CDBS). emacs requires that you run "make bootstrap" before you try to build emacs itself; what should I add to debian/rules to make it do make bootstrap first? |
| 17:57.58 | jelly-home | wickers: does it have a systemic error, or it just jitters? |
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| 17:58.38 | wickers | Well, i'm running debian right now on an AMD Geode 800 LX based embedded system... I'm thinking there might be hardware my system is not using to keep proper time. |
| 17:59.04 | wickers | jelly-home: it just slowly looses minutes... about 5 hours worth a day. |
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| 17:59.10 | jelly-home | wickers: eww. |
| 17:59.20 | jelly-home | wickers: try adjtimex |
| 17:59.46 | wickers | Well, on the bright side, I can stay up all night on my projects and not think I've been working that late. ;) |
| 17:59.49 | jelly-home | !adjtime |
| 17:59.49 | dpkg | [adjtime] what ntpd(8) uses to poke the system clock gently. If it fails, then your clock is drifting too fast for adjtime to handle; in that case, **STOP NTPD** and then install the adjtimex package. And pray, a lot. |
| 17:59.53 | fasta | karmatronic: yes, that's ok |
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| 18:00.32 | karmatronic | fasta: what happened |
| 18:00.35 | rvalles | omg |
| 18:00.38 | rvalles | a canta per me |
| 18:00.50 | fasta | karmatronic: it shows my sb live card |
| 18:00.56 | fasta | karmatronic: at position 0 |
| 18:01.02 | rvalles | fasta: sblive <3 |
| 18:01.02 | fasta | karmatronic: I was afk |
| 18:01.09 | fasta | rvalles: that's why I got one. |
| 18:01.13 | rvalles | emu10k1 FTW |
| 18:01.22 | wickers | rvalles: here here! |
| 18:01.24 | rvalles | best supported with ALSA card ever, including hw mixing |
| 18:01.25 | jelly-home | wickers: that's way too big an error, sounds like architectural problem. Tried switching to a very new kernel and compile specifically for geode? |
| 18:01.40 | karmatronic | fasta: ok, so i m out of idea, as abrotman suggested , maybe the volume is simply too low for your sound card |
| 18:01.45 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: But crappy sound quality and outputs |
| 18:01.58 | abrotman | he could try other players |
| 18:02.02 | rvalles | it has more SNR than later cards |
| 18:02.07 | Alarm | does anyone know how to install a metal-like theme on debian (kde) ? i did download two, the one doesnt seem to work well a mac os X one, and the second kwin-style-metal4kde fails cause of some dependencies. any suggestiosn ? |
| 18:02.08 | abrotman | fasta: you have the w32codecs ? |
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| 18:02.12 | rvalles | which is what matters |
| 18:02.15 | rvalles | more than, say, sample rate |
| 18:02.18 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: It does lossy resampling |
| 18:02.22 | rvalles | 48KHz not bad |
| 18:02.25 | wickers | jelly-home: I'd like to do that, but I"m hoping to avoide non-standard kernel or system builds... because that means I gotta build them again by hand every update and I can't commit that kinda time to this box. ;) |
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| 18:02.39 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: and no balanced outputs |
| 18:02.51 | jelly-home | wickers: what? no, finf one that works well and keep it. |
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| 18:02.57 | rvalles | h3sp4wn: would you prefer one of those crappy interpolations that sound fluffy? |
| 18:03.07 | tvmanukrishnan | karmatronic: now what 2 do? |
| 18:03.19 | rvalles | h3sp4wn: I <3 how my A500s and A1200 sound, for example |
| 18:03.23 | karmatronic | tvmanukrishnan: you do have the module ? |
| 18:03.28 | wickers | jelly-home: plus, yo have no idea how slow this box is to complie code... hehe... |
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| 18:03.42 | jelly-home | wickers: hopefully you realize you don't have to build it on the same box where you're going to use it. |
| 18:03.44 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:04.10 | wickers | jelly-home: of course... just saying. |
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| 18:04.27 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: I would prefer ice1712 or ice1724 (they sound great as long as you bypass dmix or use oss (from opensound)) or emu10k1_fpga |
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| 18:04.50 | karmatronic | jelly-home: eh you reminded me of the real advantage of using debian s way for kernel compiling ...:) |
| 18:04.50 | h3sp4wn | (Should try the emu 0404 again now alsa should support it) |
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| 18:04.57 | jelly-home | wickers: I treat my 1.5 Celeron-M laptop that way too, kernels are built on the dual-core machine at work :-) |
| 18:05.11 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: there are also firewire soundcards |
| 18:05.22 | Noboru | hi jelly-home ,would you help me ? |
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| 18:05.30 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: if you re using ardour , jack and so o m |
| 18:05.33 | Noboru | is english your native language ? |
| 18:05.34 | jelly-home | Noboru: why me? Ask the whole channel. |
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| 18:05.52 | jelly-home | Noboru: Eh, it's not. |
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| 18:06.00 | lambda_ | Hi hi |
| 18:06.10 | karmatronic | Noboru has a crush on jelly-home |
| 18:06.26 | jelly-home | <3 |
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| 18:06.47 | wickers | THAT's ENOUGH! ... no one likes Millhouse, err.. jelly-home |
| 18:06.48 | lambda_ | I am trying to enable the sound `beep` bell |
| 18:06.49 | karmatronic | is that a heart ? |
| 18:06.53 | tvmanukrishnan | karmatronic:: which |
| 18:06.55 | lambda_ | under debian 2.6.23 |
| 18:07.00 | tvmanukrishnan | uploaded the result here: http://www.bizzard.info/temp2.txt |
| 18:07.00 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: How stable are they (I was thinking of getting an RME) but the oss drivers are so much better than alsa its unreal |
| 18:07.08 | jelly-home | karmatronic: supposed to be, yes |
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| 18:07.10 | lambda_ | Does the kernel own an option for the beep ? |
| 18:07.15 | Noboru | i am confused at reading 2 parts in this documenation http://cband.linux.pl/documentation ,the CBandSpeed and CBandRemoteSpeed |
| 18:07.25 | Noboru | would you explain it for me please :) |
| 18:07.37 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: they are stable but most do require running jack with freebob driver enabled |
| 18:07.48 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: so that s really a musician s choice |
| 18:07.58 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: but they do work well |
| 18:08.16 | karmatronic | i hav a presonus firebox and an edirol FA66 |
| 18:08.19 | lambda_ | in fact command nolonger works |
| 18:08.26 | lambda_ | beep command i meant |
| 18:08.39 | karmatronic | the rme you suggested are also musician s cards |
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| 18:09.12 | karmatronic | lambda_: you need pc-spkr module as far a s i know |
| 18:09.28 | lambda_ | i modprobed it |
| 18:09.31 | karmatronic | lambda_: who needs that damn beep anyway ? |
| 18:09.36 | lambda_ | me |
| 18:09.42 | karmatronic | :) |
| 18:09.47 | lambda_ | it's meaningfull |
| 18:09.53 | karmatronic | my wife would kill me |
| 18:09.54 | lambda_ | ful |
| 18:09.59 | lambda_ | i am alone |
| 18:10.11 | lambda_ | nothing but a cat and guinea_pig :) |
| 18:10.42 | karmatronic | lambda_: that s not a problem , jelly-home provides love for everyone :) |
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| 18:11.02 | lambda_ | jelly, is it true ? |
| 18:11.10 | lambda_ | jelly-home, sorry |
| 18:11.19 | jelly-home | that's me in the corner, too |
| 18:11.21 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: Well its difficult to get anything other than musicians cards that don't resample and can output sanely to XLR inputs (balanced) that is what my speakers are |
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| 18:11.40 | Noboru | hmm |
| 18:11.48 | jelly-home | lambda_: yes, provided you're able to use moneybookers to transfer the cash to me. |
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| 18:12.14 | rvalles | h3sp4wn: emu10k1_fpga?! |
| 18:12.19 | rvalles | h3sp4wn: wth is that? |
| 18:12.26 | jelly-home | Noboru: far as I can tell, CBandSpeed is a limit for one of your virtual hosts. CBandRemoteSpeed is a limit for remote web browsers coming from a single IP address. |
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| 18:12.39 | rvalles | h3sp4wn: fpga based sound cards? I want one! |
| 18:12.45 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: what ever the module that supports the emu0404 1212m and 1812m |
| 18:12.55 | jelly-home | Noboru: thanks, I had no idea there was a mod_bandwidth equivalent for apache 2. |
| 18:12.59 | Noboru | jelly-home, let me read your posts. |
| 18:13.01 | njaard | how is it possible for me to download a package off the debian "new" queue? |
| 18:13.08 | njaard | (as in: not yet even "incoming") |
| 18:13.10 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: dunno how much of the patchbay stuff works under linux but it has hardware effects |
| 18:13.48 | Nihill | anyone use proftpd much? some of the directories on my server can be accessed |
| 18:13.48 | Noboru | jelly-home, okay,thanks,let me check. |
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| 18:15.03 | Miesco | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 18:15.05 | Miesco | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 18:15.15 | njaard | ah, german grammar, Miesco ;) |
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| 18:15.41 | Miesco | How do I do that? |
| 18:15.49 | njaard | Miesco: install kdelibs-dev |
| 18:15.54 | Miesco | Okay |
| 18:15.55 | njaard | how about my question then? ;) |
| 18:16.06 | edju | I can't get wireless to work. If anyone has a minute or two to check http://rafb.net/p/AdSGKt28.html, and if any solution jumps out, I'd love to hear it. |
| 18:16.08 | njaard | Miesco: or kdlibsN-dev with N being some random number Debian assigns |
| 18:16.56 | Noboru | jelly-home, yes,you are right, i was rethinking, the first one refers to the entire connections to the virtualhost,the second one refers to a remote single ip to the virtualhost,Thank you. |
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| 18:18.55 | Nihill | when I connect to my ftp sever why is it saying I cant access certain directorys? |
| 18:19.02 | abrotman | permissions |
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| 18:19.22 | Nihill | thing is I can access a few of the directorys |
| 18:19.45 | Nihill | so how can it be permissions? |
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| 18:20.16 | cast | it could be permissions because different directories can have different ones, |
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| 18:20.42 | Nihill | how can I set them all the same then? |
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| 18:22.00 | furrywolf | well, I did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade, and now I can't seem to make php work again... re-installing libapache-mod-php4 did not help, except to remove it from modules.conf... apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4 stuck it back in modules.conf, but apache still tries to send php files rather than run them. |
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| 18:22.46 | gryfie_ | What sense does it make, to install more then one locale, if I'm the only user on the machine? |
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| 18:23.44 | furrywolf | apache-modconf seems very broken, in that it takes a good 60 seconds to run every time. |
| 18:24.19 | Nihill | If I chmod the parent directory do all of them inside it get chmod'ed |
| 18:24.27 | furrywolf | any ideas why an upgrade would break php so badly? |
| 18:24.33 | furrywolf | Nihill: no, use chmod -R |
| 18:24.46 | furrywolf | (if you want everything in it to be chmod'ed) |
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| 18:27.26 | pandrew | hey guys! when is the resolv.conf read? on every dns query? |
| 18:27.47 | lambda_ | when you edit it |
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| 18:28.06 | mecca_ | As far as I know every DNS query, unless nscd is caching things. |
| 18:28.23 | furrywolf | when a program that uses the libc resolver is started, as far as I know. |
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| 18:29.02 | furrywolf | The resolver configuration file contains |
| 18:29.03 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.17 | furrywolf | so you'll need to restart anything you want to see the changes. |
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| 18:29.22 | DustyBin | ive found a bug in a package, when installing exaile and using the shoutcast plugin, the streams do not play. This is a Debian Lenny Testing problem |
| 18:29.35 | pandrew | furrywolf: can i force the reread without restarting the process? |
| 18:29.51 | furrywolf | DustyBin: ok, go file a bug report? :) |
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| 18:30.00 | furrywolf | pandrew: not that I know of... |
| 18:30.12 | Nihill | thanks for that furrywolf worked a treat |
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| 18:31.34 | furrywolf | Nihill: glad to help. :) |
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| 18:32.56 | pandrew | does anyone know if there is a way to force a reread of resolv.conf for an existing process? |
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| 18:37.34 | sepski | pandrew, it depends on the process in question |
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| 18:38.16 | pandrew | sepski: it's a python interpreter |
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| 18:39.46 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, still around? |
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| 18:42.21 | sepski | pandrew, let me reprase. if the developers have programed a way for it to happen it can. perhaps as a part of the programs way to "reread it's config", but to be sure restart it. |
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| 18:45.59 | biz | when i specify a font for xfs like 'terminus 10', is there a way to specify the bold variant of it? (using the xfs style) |
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| 18:49.49 | furrywolf | any ideas about the php problem? |
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| 18:50.17 | Noboru | i have a very strange question |
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| 18:50.47 | Noboru | the php probe cannot detect my cpu and the amount of ram |
| 18:50.53 | abrotman | furrywolf: clear your browser cache and restart the browser |
| 18:51.19 | Noboru | i use the same php probe tool on my servers, one works,one doesn't,very strange |
| 18:51.31 | sokuban | I want to use scim to type Chinese, Japanese and Korean, I installed scim and the scim-tables-xx as well as the input methods for each (eg scim-anthy) However if I run scim and click on the keyboard I cannot select any other languages, I kinda get the feeling I need to add support for more locales, how would I do this on debian? |
| 18:51.40 | furrywolf | abrotman: doesn't seem like a browser problem. heh. |
| 18:51.44 | xand | hmm, does mysql have it's own time zone settings? the timestamps it's creating are an hour out :S |
| 18:51.47 | abrotman | furrywolf: you'd be surprised |
| 18:51.52 | Noboru | it can detect my pentium D and the info of ram, but it can not detect my xeon and the ram :( |
| 18:52.12 | dutchfish | !locales |
| 18:52.12 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 18:52.19 | Noboru | anyone know what could be the cause ? |
| 18:52.20 | sokuban | thanks |
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| 18:53.08 | furrywolf | no help |
| 18:54.12 | dutchfish | furrywolf, php in cli? |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | furrywolf: check your apache logs |
| 18:54.21 | abrotman | furrywolf: is this an external server? |
| 18:55.03 | furrywolf | logs show nothing of interest, except saying it's already loaded when I add an extra loadmodule just to make sure it's getting it. heh. |
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| 18:55.03 | abrotman | furrywolf: external or not ? |
| 18:55.05 | furrywolf | what do you mean? |
| 18:55.10 | abrotman | can i get to it? |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | you know .. like a normal website ;) |
| 18:55.31 | furrywolf | hrm, installing php4-cgi made it work... |
| 18:55.40 | furrywolf | this'll buy me some time to figure out the real problem. heh. |
| 18:55.56 | furrywolf | yes, you can. |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | seems to work now :) |
| 18:57.10 | furrywolf | ok, now I can finally eat breakfast. :) |
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| 18:57.22 | furrywolf | all I did was an update & upgrade... should NOT have broken php! |
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| 18:58.48 | norbert_ | ehm, guys (and girls, if any)... problem here, I just updated evolution with apt-get to GNOME evolution 2.10.3, and every time I click "New" the application crashes |
| 18:59.07 | norbert_ | should I go to #gnome @irc.gimp.org or is this a Debian issue |
| 18:59.58 | dutchfish | norbert_, etch or lenny? |
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| 19:00.10 | abrotman | norbert_: in lenny ? |
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| 19:00.14 | abrotman | or did you compile it ? |
| 19:00.25 | norbert_ | no, I apt-get installed it just now |
| 19:00.44 | norbert_ | I'm in lenny |
| 19:00.50 | furrywolf | grrrrrr... php is working in general, but non of the generated images work, despite php4-gd still being installed... |
| 19:01.18 | dutchfish | norbert_, reconfig account -> save -> restart that did fix mine in lenny |
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| 19:02.18 | dutchfish | norbert_, actually i suspect gnome for messing it up |
| 19:02.22 | abrotman | norbert_: mine works here |
| 19:02.23 | norbert_ | dutchfish: nope, still crashes |
| 19:02.25 | furrywolf | bloody hell. remind me to never upgrade anything again. |
| 19:03.03 | dutchfish | norbert_, did you delete curent account first? (dont forget details of it) |
| 19:03.11 | norbert_ | :| |
| 19:03.16 | norbert_ | I have to delete all of my accounts |
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| 19:03.38 | dutchfish | norbert_, i only use 1, ... indeed not so good |
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| 19:05.02 | dutchfish | norbert_, is your gnome synced with latest lenny updates? |
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| 19:05.26 | furrywolf | grrr! this is probably the most broken debian update I've ever seen. |
| 19:05.27 | norbert_ | can you believe this, I was just in #dev.openoffice.org to report a bug that totally changes my documents when I save them as .doc, someone is kind enough to give his private e-mail address so I can send a test .doc so he can check it out, I start the newly apt-get installed evolution, check e-mail ("oh, new unread e-mail icon", I think to myself) and then I can't send an e-mail because of another bug, what are the odds :D |
| 19:06.12 | dutchfish | norbert_, use webmailer |
| 19:06.43 | dutchfish | furrywolf, its testing and testing means testing |
| 19:07.03 | jelly-home | Ward1983: nope, but your etch->lenny issue could be handled by lots of people here, ask the channel |
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| 19:07.25 | Eclipser | which package would include *-courier-medium-r-normal--12-*-75-* font? |
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| 19:07.55 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, sure i will, just thought i'd ask for u first since you allready know the problem |
| 19:07.56 | furrywolf | dutchfish: I don't use testing, for exactly this reason. |
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| 19:08.21 | furrywolf | this is the production server, the only updates it gets are off security.debian.org... |
| 19:08.22 | dutchfish | furrywolf, i use testing to know whats coming at me, so ill be prepared ;) |
| 19:08.26 | furrywolf | things should NOT break! |
| 19:08.45 | dutchfish | furrywolf, then use stabe |
| 19:09.00 | dutchfish | furrywolf, i meant stable* |
| 19:09.03 | furrywolf | dutchfish: I don't bloody use testing, as I already said. |
| 19:09.29 | dutchfish | furrywolf, and we where talking about testing |
| 19:09.30 | furrywolf | ok, there's that fixed... it commented itself out in php.ini. why, god only knows.... |
| 19:09.46 | furrywolf | bbl, only 1pm, not too late for breakfast... |
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| 19:11.19 | needles | could i get help for knoppix here by chance? |
| 19:11.26 | abrotman | try #knoppix |
| 19:11.41 | needles | abrotman, its unresponsive |
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| 19:11.55 | abrotman | we can't help you |
| 19:12.07 | needles | thanks anyway |
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| 19:13.26 | highshadow | anyone uisng sid and after update there krusader broke? |
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| 19:13.35 | xand | sid is meant to break :D |
| 19:13.51 | highshadow | not always Xand :P |
| 19:14.09 | sauvin | abrotman, try #linux |
| 19:14.09 | dutchfish | sid is not meant to break but sometimes it does |
| 19:14.58 | highshadow | what are must of you running Etch Lenny or Sid .. i like sid new toys and goodies ;) |
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| 19:15.20 | Guerin | highshadow: most of us run different branches for different purposes |
| 19:15.20 | dutchfish | highshadow, the smart ones do running backups ;) |
| 19:15.46 | abrotman | sauvin: ? |
| 19:15.52 | Guerin | the purpose of sid, fwiw, isn't new toys and goodies - it's bughunting |
| 19:16.24 | sauvin | Oh... sorry... I targeted the wrong person :( |
| 19:16.30 | highshadow | dutchfish: yeah i know but you dont think of making backups cos you never think that anything will break :P |
| 19:16.33 | highshadow | hehe |
| 19:16.34 | jelly-home | highshadow: neither lenny nor sid, I use testing (whatever it is at this time) |
| 19:16.53 | highshadow | Guerin: yeah i hear ya i wouldnt want to run my server on sid thats for sure |
| 19:16.57 | dutchfish | highshadow, wrong, everything will break someday |
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| 19:18.02 | lucas_ | hi. i have bad sound quality using rhythmbox. this doesn't happen with totem.. i have a custom (compiled by me) kernel and i get a codec_read error at boot time (just before the INIT version line).. maybe that has to do with my problem.. i have alsa and i have the drivers for my card built into the kernel (and as i said i can hear sound, but the quality is really bad when i use rhythmbox).. don't know why this happens though.. |
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| 19:18.37 | dutchfish | lucas_, do you have oss runnig along with alsa? |
| 19:18.51 | lucas_ | dutchfish: no, only alsa. |
| 19:19.18 | dutchfish | !choppy sound |
| 19:19.33 | lucas_ | yes, choppy sound. |
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| 19:19.55 | lucas_ | that's the problem |
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| 19:21.05 | dutchfish | lucas_, hold on |
| 19:21.34 | highshadow | jelly-home: your running Lenny then |
| 19:22.12 | jelly-home | highshadow: at present yes, but I'll be running testing even when lenny becomes stable |
| 19:22.30 | dutchfish | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:22.30 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 19:23.06 | bonez31 | I have three machines on my LAN...two run debian...one sarage, one etch, the other runs win xp....sarge also runs win4lin...a windows vm....and the xp box can read and write shared folders on this vm windows machine....which runs on sarge...but from this vm windows machine, I can't then see shares on the native xp box...can't print.....to vm win printer |
| 19:23.16 | bonez31 | further, I can't even ping/ssh, or otherwise connect to the native xp box...from either debian box... |
| 19:23.27 | bonez31 | //192.168.15.102/c /sethc smbfs user,noauto 0 0 this is in my /etc/fstab |
| 19:23.30 | highshadow | jelly-home: yeah i know its a lil confusing http://www.debian.org/releases/ The current ?testing? distribution is lenny. ...... lenny is really good best of both worlds |
| 19:24.46 | dutchfish | bonez31, did you check you network setup in the vm, does it brdige or route? what? |
| 19:25.05 | biz | is there a color picker like in gimp but for the desktop instead? |
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| 19:26.22 | bonez31 | dutchfish: not sure if briding or routing....the vm is win4lin....and has worked well . yesterday I installed a kvm switch....and all three machines work with it....but since moving the machines around....the windows box can see both debian boxes, but they can't see it....the vm windows instance as well....can't see the native win xp box... |
| 19:26.47 | bonez31 | dutchfish: glad to check through and find out my network settings....suggestions where to check first? |
| 19:27.04 | Kevin`_ | bonez31 firewall? |
| 19:27.27 | biz | ah well... such a picker is already integrated in gimp.. sorry |
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| 19:27.38 | dutchfish | bonez31, check firewall settings |
| 19:27.54 | bonez31 | Kevin`_: you are talking about the Winxp firewall? I switched to Wide Open...no firewall on the xp machine... |
| 19:28.16 | abrotman | is there another firewall ? |
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| 19:28.49 | bonez31 | under Windows xp firewawll, it 's marked OFF...no firewall |
| 19:29.10 | bonez31 | abrotman: I had HAD zonealarm,, but I don' thave zonealarm running on it now |
| 19:29.19 | bonez31 | only other firewall I would know about |
| 19:29.31 | abrotman | none of that norton crap either? |
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| 19:29.39 | Noboru | hi abrotman ,would you tell me how do you call this in english, a tool that can detect the basic info on a server,such as cpu info,ram info,disk space and installed server applications info ? |
| 19:29.41 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 19:30.01 | abrotman | !whats my harware |
| 19:30.01 | Ace2016 | whats the maximum number of usb devices you an connect if you daisy chain lots of hubs together? |
| 19:30.02 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 19:30.02 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 19:30.22 | dutchfish | bonez31, if you compare the ip on vm client and vm host are they on the same subnet or do they have a dif net? |
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| 19:31.28 | bonez31 | !whats my hardware |
| 19:31.28 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 19:32.08 | cloakable | lol |
| 19:32.17 | Noboru | hmm |
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| 19:34.01 | dutchfish | ... and look inside ... oooh, dusty! |
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| 19:36.41 | ringo999 | hi. does anyone know if there is a gui interface for wpa_supplicant for debian? |
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| 19:38.21 | Eulex | ringo999, network-manager-* perhaps, if it does wpa. |
| 19:40.58 | AciD | oops, since I upgraded to the last fglrx drivers, I lost the libGL.so.1 so I can't run some apps anymore : error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:41.15 | AciD | in which packages can I find this file ? |
| 19:41.22 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 19:41.23 | dpkg | fglrx one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 19:41.37 | Eulex | AciD, fglrx-driver. duh. |
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| 19:42.45 | AciD | jungle:~# dpkg -L fglrx-driver|grep -i libgl|wc -l |
| 19:42.45 | AciD | 0 |
| 19:42.53 | AciD | Eulex > not really :/ |
| 19:43.36 | Eulex | AciD, oh. then something is quite broken. are you sure the package is installed? |
| 19:43.55 | AciD | yep, got : ii fglrx-driver 8.42.3-2 |
| 19:44.07 | AciD | that's weird indeed |
| 19:45.34 | Eulex | AciD, report a bug. |
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| 19:46.05 | abrotman | AciD: did you check the BTS ? |
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| 19:47.01 | AciD | abrotman > not yet, I just googled around |
| 19:47.22 | abrotman | AciD: when you're running unstable .. please go to the BTS before coming here |
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| 19:48.46 | AciD | abrotman > in fact I was running testing until 2 hours ago wen this pb arised, I just decided to switch to unstable to see if it solve things |
| 19:48.59 | abrotman | still go the BTS |
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| 19:51.26 | BartVB | Is there a way to debug the init process? My server locks up during boot and it would be rather helpful to know in what init script the lockup occurs... Init is rather silent about this |
| 19:52.16 | dondelelcaro | BartVB: if it locks up, you should see the init scripts on screen |
| 19:52.39 | dutchfish | !bootlog |
| 19:52.39 | dpkg | bootlogd is probably disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 19:54.10 | BartVB | great, thanks :) |
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| 19:58.06 | BartVB | Now it would be nice if the bootlog would give me a clue as to what is going wrong here :\ Seems to be a problem caused by a sarge to etch upgrade where Debian locks up somewhere right after loading LVM. Site has been down for a few hours now :\ |
| 19:58.55 | Ward1983 | i want to get the return of a command in english, what is it agai ni need to add? |
| 19:58.59 | Ward1983 | i allways forget |
| 19:59.03 | dutchfish | BartVB, can post upgrade log to pastebin? |
| 19:59.45 | dutchfish | BartVB, is your root on lvm? |
| 19:59.54 | abrotman | LANG=C <command> |
| 19:59.56 | BartVB | nope, not even using LVM |
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| 20:00.17 | Ward1983 | abrotman, ty |
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| 20:00.57 | dutchfish | BartVB, or describe more precise at what line the boot process gets stuck? |
| 20:01.17 | Ward1983 | abrotman, that does not work |
| 20:01.26 | abrotman | what command are you trying to run ? |
| 20:01.53 | Ward1983 | abrotman, i'm trying to apt-get something |
| 20:01.57 | Ward1983 | and i need to pastebin the output |
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| 20:02.05 | abrotman | LANG=C should work |
| 20:02.22 | Ward1983 | E: Couldn't find package LANG |
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| 20:02.33 | Ward1983 | :~# LANG=C apt-get -t testing install gpe-bluetooth LANG=C |
| 20:02.42 | Ward1983 | wtf |
| 20:02.45 | BartVB | dutchfish, at first it halted right after something like: evice-mapper: ioctl: 4.11.0-ioctl (2006-09-14) initialised: [bla] |
| 20:02.46 | Ward1983 | 2 times LANG=C |
| 20:02.48 | Ward1983 | lol |
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| 20:02.57 | Kevin`_ | I have a small networking problem I need help with |
| 20:03.03 | BartVB | currently trying to get the upgrade log online |
| 20:03.09 | Ward1983 | abrotman, sorry i trhink my computer got alive and typed axtra stuff |
| 20:03.32 | Kevin`_ | I need to send packets that are going out to the internet, from localhost, using the ip address of the LAN interface, instead of the wan interface, which is dhcp assigned |
| 20:03.41 | Kevin`_ | and if possible, not for rip or multicast traffic |
| 20:03.44 | Kevin`_ | any help? :) |
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| 20:04.36 | Ward1983 | i want to isntall a package from testing, so i added the repo, and set stable as default |
| 20:04.40 | Ward1983 | but now i get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43163/ |
| 20:04.48 | Ward1983 | can i get around that somehow? |
| 20:05.42 | Kevin`_ | oh, and |
| 20:05.55 | Kevin`_ | what is the proper way to assign two ip addresses to an interface in debian |
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| 20:06.19 | Ward1983 | (i'm not using ubuntu on the system i'm talking aboutn, just use their pastebin out of habit) |
| 20:06.20 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:06.31 | Ace2016 | what would you do if your running out of space on a hard disk? |
| 20:06.48 | dutchfish | Kevin`_, in /etc/network/interfaces something like eth0:1 read man interfaces |
| 20:06.50 | BartVB | dutchfish, eeh, where is the upgrade logfile? :\ |
| 20:06.55 | Ace2016 | and you really like how everything is setup and you've done everything to cut down on size |
| 20:06.56 | petemc | Ace2016: delete stuff or add more disks |
| 20:06.59 | Ward1983 | Ace2016, buy a new one, delete stuff thats not needed, burn some DVD's, ... |
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| 20:07.13 | sauvin | Add more disks! |
| 20:07.19 | sauvin | Externals work well :D |
| 20:07.20 | petemc | disk space is cheap |
| 20:07.25 | Ace2016 | is it possible to add another partition to extend the existing partition so that root sees 2 partitions as one? |
| 20:07.36 | Ward1983 | :s |
| 20:07.42 | Ward1983 | buy a larger disc and install on that one |
| 20:07.48 | sauvin | Ace2016, why would you want to do that? |
| 20:08.14 | highshadow | Ward1983: check if you dont want your updates you can always clean then # apt-get clean .... or if you have another partition you could always copy your distro to the other partition |
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| 20:09.22 | dutchfish | BartVB, i believe it was /var/log/installer/syslog at the top of my head |
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| 20:09.30 | dutchfish | BartVB, etch |
| 20:09.40 | Ward1983 | highshadow, sorry i don't understand that |
| 20:09.55 | Ace2016 | but what if it was highly customised and no reinstall/ move would be worth the trouble of reinstalling and customising? |
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| 20:10.23 | Ace2016 | so purely to extend what you already have to another disk, like creating a pridge |
| 20:10.37 | Ace2016 | oh wait |
| 20:10.42 | BartVB | dutchfish, the only thing related to debian packages is /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 20:10.49 | Ace2016 | could you add a drive to a raid array? |
| 20:10.57 | Ace2016 | raid0 array? |
| 20:11.14 | dutchfish | BartVB, yes, but look also at /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 20:11.19 | highshadow | Ward1983: do a du -h /var/cache/apt/archives see how much room thats taking and you can clean it by apt-get clean |
| 20:11.34 | BartVB | dutchfish, there is no /var/log/installer/ :) |
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| 20:11.45 | dutchfish | BartVB, still on Srage? |
| 20:11.52 | dutchfish | BartVB, Sarge* |
| 20:12.08 | BartVB | only apache2, fsck, ksymoops, muni, mysql, news, ntpstats and sysstat directories in /var/log/ |
| 20:12.26 | dutchfish | !sarge->etch |
| 20:12.26 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
| 20:12.30 | BartVB | aaargh. Server is dog slow, copying the database betwen arrays :\ |
| 20:12.49 | dutchfish | BartVB, did you read release-nots how to upgrade? |
| 20:13.04 | BartVB | yup |
| 20:13.07 | BartVB | but a while ago :) |
| 20:13.15 | BartVB | so I used dist-upgrade |
| 20:13.20 | dutchfish | BartVB, yes |
| 20:13.23 | Ward1983 | highshadow, ok thanx |
| 20:13.39 | sauvin | Is there a prerolled low latency kernel? |
| 20:14.41 | dutchfish | BartVB, hard to tell with this info where it went wrong, you are now at etch? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:14.58 | dutchfish | BartVB, uname -a |
| 20:15.03 | Ward1983 | highshadow, i did that and i tried again, i still have the same problem |
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| 20:15.12 | mraq | hello |
| 20:15.30 | BartVB | catting debian_version currently takes 30 seconds :) But it contains "4.0" so that should be etch. |
| 20:15.31 | mraq | can u help me with fix broken xfs |
| 20:15.31 | Ward1983 | highshadow, it still wants to delete util-linux and tzdata |
| 20:16.10 | highshadow | Ward1983: its in the cache and already installed on your system right? |
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| 20:16.15 | dutchfish | BartVB, what kernel? |
| 20:16.18 | BartVB | current kernel is 2.6.18-4 from Debian. used to be a kernel I build myself but currently on a default kernel to see if that helps |
| 20:16.30 | Ward1983 | highshadow, erm offcourse its installed, how can it else remove it??? |
| 20:16.33 | mraq | i tried to xfs_check -f /dev/sdb and it tell me xfs_check: out of memorty |
| 20:16.42 | mraq | s/memorty/memory |
| 20:16.47 | highshadow | Ward1983: apt-get clean just cleans your cache i wont delete anything off your system |
| 20:16.55 | dutchfish | BartVB, if you upgrade out from a custum kernel did depmod go right during dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:17.03 | mraq | how can i do it ? |
| 20:17.11 | BartVB | as far as I know it did |
| 20:17.13 | Ward1983 | highshadow, i know, and i just did apt-get clean |
| 20:17.19 | Ward1983 | highshadow, and it didnt work |
| 20:17.24 | Ward1983 | it cleaned allright |
| 20:17.25 | dutchfish | BartVB, you did already rebooted the system? |
| 20:17.26 | Ward1983 | but it didnt help |
| 20:17.36 | BartVB | I built the kernel with the make-kpkg tool |
| 20:17.46 | dutchfish | BartVB, ok |
| 20:17.50 | Ward1983 | highshadow, just to make sure: i'm NOT the one that needed more diskspace) |
| 20:17.54 | BartVB | dutchfish, yup, several times. Otherwise I wouldn't know that there was something wrong with the boot process :D |
| 20:17.57 | highshadow | Ward1983: how much room are we talking about here run df-Th |
| 20:18.12 | Ward1983 | highshadow, FFS... i'm not the one that needs more room ! |
| 20:18.17 | highshadow | Ward1983: i am sorry thought it was you |
| 20:18.21 | Ward1983 | did you actually read my pastebin? |
| 20:18.40 | Ward1983 | highshadow, no problem because apt-get clean cleaned 150MB :-) |
| 20:18.46 | Ward1983 | and i only have 1GB so.. :-) |
| 20:18.50 | Ward1983 | that was welcome oto |
| 20:18.51 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 20:18.57 | highshadow | lol |
| 20:19.22 | Ward1983 | haw can i get around this when installing something from testing? http://pastebin.ca/760159 |
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| 20:21.59 | dutchfish | BartVB, can you pastebin dmesg output? |
| 20:22.22 | BartVB | not really I'm afraid |
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| 20:22.29 | BartVB | well, only of the rescue disk... |
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| 20:23.29 | highshadow | Ward1983: if you want to keep a ,mixed system the easiest way would be apt pin it will save you tons of headaches if you are unsure about about apt pin check this out http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 20:24.42 | Ward1983 | highshadow, ok i'll read it, thanx |
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| 20:26.44 | highshadow | Ward1983: its just much easier that way and your system wont be going pyscho |
| 20:27.11 | abrotman | it's much easier to not mix at all |
| 20:27.18 | Ronin | indeed |
| 20:27.21 | Ward1983 | highshadow, sure, i never heard about it so i'm glad u told me |
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| 20:27.24 | Ronin | Ward1983: why are you mixing and matching? |
| 20:27.42 | Ward1983 | Ronin, because its the only way besides installing from source |
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| 20:27.51 | Ward1983 | and god knows how long that will take on my pda |
| 20:28.00 | dutchfish | BartVB, what does ls /lib/modules/`uname -r` tells you? |
| 20:28.00 | Ronin | Ward1983: why? been out all day so what are you trying to do? |
| 20:28.07 | abrotman | Ward1983: i'm sure there are other methods |
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| 20:28.47 | Ward1983 | letm e rephrase then for you: how do i install this: http://packages.debian.org/GPE |
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| 20:28.51 | highshadow | Ward1983: what version you running Ward etch, lenny or sid |
| 20:28.53 | Ward1983 | i want to install those |
| 20:29.14 | Ward1983 | highshadow, i have no clue but when i issuesd the command for the version it said debian 4.0 |
| 20:29.34 | Ronin | etch then |
| 20:29.53 | Ward1983 | Ronin, i think so but i'm not 100% sure since the command didnt tell me |
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| 20:30.22 | Ronin | if i read that page right i see its in stable all ready |
| 20:30.38 | Ronin | yep it sure is |
| 20:30.43 | BartVB | dutchfish, nothing because I'm currently booted with the kernel from the rescue CD. But there /lib/modules is properly populated |
| 20:30.44 | Ward1983 | Ronin, i searched for it in stable and didnt find a thing |
| 20:30.49 | Ward1983 | Ronin, i searched for it in stable and didnt find a thing |
| 20:30.52 | highshadow | Ward1983: you want bluetooth things right? did you do apt-cache search bluetooth and see what came up |
| 20:30.57 | Ronin | Ward1983: apt-cache search gpe shows nothing? |
| 20:31.03 | BartVB | but this all could be related to some kind of initrd/initramfs problem. Currently investigating |
| 20:31.08 | Ward1983 | Ronin, i searched on the website |
| 20:31.12 | dutchfish | BartVB, with the right dir as kernel name? |
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| 20:31.27 | Ward1983 | highshadow, not only bluetooth, jsut everything |
| 20:31.27 | Ronin | Ward1983: open a term and type that command |
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| 20:31.47 | jubei | anybody have any experience with udev, my rule even though it matches, fails to "exec" my scripts, any ideas why? |
| 20:31.58 | dutchfish | BartVB, ok |
| 20:32.11 | highshadow | Ward1983: like Ronin mention apt-cache search gpe what does that show ya? |
| 20:32.19 | Ward1983 | all those |
| 20:32.20 | Ward1983 | WTF |
| 20:32.30 | Ward1983 | and why does the damn website not show them then??? |
| 20:32.51 | Ronin | the url showed stable packages Ward1983 |
| 20:32.58 | BartVB | dutchfish, going to reboot (copy is finally finished :D). Curious what will end up in /var/log/boot |
| 20:33.11 | dutchfish | BartVB, ok ;) |
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| 20:33.46 | Nihill | which is better to do chmod or chown? |
| 20:33.48 | highshadow | Ward1983: here http://www.howtoforge.com/bluetooth_pand_debian_etch |
| 20:33.57 | Ward1983 | Ronin, its probably me but now i understand evne less of the damn website and i'm going for a moke now because i need to calm down |
| 20:34.25 | highshadow | Ward1983: does that help ? |
| 20:34.46 | BartVB | dutchfish, would be nice if they had some food in the datacenter :D |
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| 20:35.00 | dutchfish | BartVB, yup ;) |
| 20:35.02 | BartVB | dutchfish, BTW thanks for the help so far :) |
| 20:35.32 | Ward1983 | highshadow, will look after my smoke, but bluetooth was not the main problem, i'm gonna make my system regular again and see what error i get whyen just apt-getting those packages (because i am very sure that didnt work i tried that) |
| 20:36.01 | sauvin | Ee! the keepalive script I wrote under ubuntu to keep the external drives spun up works under debian without modification! |
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| 20:39.00 | highshadow | Ward1983: ok Ward if possible you can also post any error messages that you are getting then we know what to look for .. |
| 20:39.10 | highshadow | getting a smoke to |
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| 20:40.31 | BartVB | dutchfish, this time it stopped after kjournald, mounting /boot and loading ip_tables. Going to check /var/log/boot now (but the server takes a while to boot up. They are not made for quick startup :D) |
| 20:40.41 | Tachyon- | Hey, any of the kernels since 2.6.21-2 don't boot, they halt after running init scripts-bottom and the recognition of my usb keyboard, any ideas how to troubleshoot? |
| 20:40.53 | dutchfish | BartVB, k |
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| 20:41.25 | Tachyon- | I tried the bootlogd thing, but after I boot the failing kernel, boot the one that succees, /var/log/boot, or boot.0 have entries for my current kernel |
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| 20:41.43 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: either switch to uuid or label |
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| 20:41.52 | Tachyon- | I even compiled a vanilla 2.6.21-3 and it also fails |
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| 20:42.08 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: presuming the issue is /dev/hda becoming /dev/sda |
| 20:42.42 | Tachyon- | I read about the issue, so basically I have to rename from /dev/hda to /dev/sda, but how would I got with the uuid or label thing? |
| 20:42.45 | skyrocker | what is the minuim discs needed to install 4.01r1? |
| 20:42.48 | Tachyon- | *on fstab |
| 20:43.20 | Tachyon- | I'm sorry, I meant that how do I exactly "switch to uuid or label", I'm kind of new to debian |
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| 20:43.54 | h3sp4wn | Well its something you need to understand properly as if you mess it up you possibly wouldn't be able to boot the old kernel either |
| 20:44.55 | Tachyon- | I think I have some various live cds somewhere, can I revert back to old config if I happen to mess up that thing? |
| 20:45.43 | highshadow | skyrocker: if your on broadband just do a net install that way you dont have to download any disks if you dont want to .... but for a cd install you can use 3 cds thats it and then get everything for the updates |
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| 20:46.01 | xIke_ | apt-get is complaining: "The package linux-image-2.6.23.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:46.20 | skyrocker | so the first 3 cds should do it for a fresh install then |
| 20:46.41 | Ronin | skyrocker: and then some, on broadband a mini cd is all thats needed |
| 20:46.58 | skyrocker | ok thanks |
| 20:47.07 | highshadow | skyrocker: yep thats all i used i couldnt do a net install cos i am on dsl and i have to enter my username and dsl and password was a pain in the butt |
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| 20:47.30 | h3sp4wn | xIke_: There wouldn't be a debian package names like that |
| 20:47.31 | highshadow | skyrocker: yep i agree with Ronin thats all you ned |
| 20:47.57 | Tachyon- | okay, I read about the label thing, I think I can try that h3sp4wn |
| 20:48.16 | stiv2k | is there a way to mount and read linux partitions from windows (just like you can mount and read windows partitions from linux) ??? |
| 20:48.34 | dutchfish | !ntfs-3g |
| 20:48.34 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 20:48.52 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 20:48.53 | dpkg | it has been said that explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write (at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs Ask me about <ext2ifs>. able to access LVM2. |
| 20:49.07 | Nyle | which package provides mkinitrd? |
| 20:49.59 | xoz | Nyle: apt-file search mkinitrd |
| 20:50.14 | dutchfish | in etch its replaced |
| 20:50.19 | highshadow | dpkg: now that i didnt know why i thought that ntfs-3g was in etch |
| 20:50.20 | Tachyon- | h3sp4wn: is this what you meant with the label or uuid thing: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/522 ? |
| 20:51.09 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: yes if you do that carefully that will most probably fix your issues |
| 20:51.17 | solemnwarning | I want to install win2003 under Xen, but Xen isn't detecting VT support |
| 20:51.22 | dutchfish | !initramfs |
| 20:51.22 | dpkg | i heard initramfs is the new initrd. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etchs' release) |
| 20:51.25 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 20:51.25 | Tachyon- | ok, thank you, I'm going to give it a try |
| 20:51.29 | abrotman | solemnwarning: upgrade your CPU |
| 20:51.35 | solemnwarning | CPU supports it |
| 20:51.42 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 20:51.57 | solemnwarning | flags : fpu tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm cr8legacy ts fid vid ttp tm stc |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | or ask #xen why it might think it doesn't |
| 20:52.00 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: backup /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:52.08 | solemnwarning | svm == It's got it |
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| 20:52.24 | Tachyon- | okay :) |
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| 20:52.31 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ask #xen |
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| 20:52.41 | abrotman | erm . what is the channel |
| 20:52.43 | xacier | sup |
| 20:52.53 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: People can release dodgy bios's |
| 20:53.01 | xacier | does debian still blow like crap? |
| 20:53.07 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, it needs sse3 in cpu |
| 20:53.10 | abrotman | oh .. ##xen |
| 20:53.10 | CharminTheMoose | xacier, no |
| 20:53.12 | Eulex | h3sp4wn, and they do |
| 20:53.29 | xacier | this is my >10th install |
| 20:53.32 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: i.e my gigabyte in the process of them fixing the acpi completely broke the VT instructions |
| 20:53.36 | solemnwarning | dutchfish: sse3? |
| 20:53.40 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: still not fixed a year later |
| 20:53.43 | xacier | hold the donkey ain't gonna crash on me again |
| 20:53.47 | CharminTheMoose | xacier, maybe your hardware sucks. :D |
| 20:53.51 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, at least for intel cpu |
| 20:54.03 | xacier | hey do ya remember me? |
| 20:54.09 | xacier | me aka blow_fish |
| 20:54.15 | xacier | aka somebody somebody |
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| 20:54.22 | solemnwarning | According to wiki AMD CPUs with VT have the svm flag |
| 20:55.06 | xacier | actually, the floppy install has gotten alot easier |
| 20:55.06 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: yep still needs the bios to support it properly |
| 20:55.11 | xacier | and quicker |
| 20:55.14 | solemnwarning | doh |
| 20:55.20 | jzxu | I want to connect to another computer using just a single cat5 cable between the two machines' network cards, is "iface eth0 inet static" the correct config line? |
| 20:55.22 | xacier | kinda like freebsd |
| 20:55.27 | solemnwarning | The board manual doesn't list any VT options |
| 20:55.30 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: Can you load the kvm kernel module |
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| 20:55.50 | solemnwarning | Module not found |
| 20:55.51 | xacier | freebsd gitting a little messed up |
| 20:55.58 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, /msg dpkg about xen |
| 20:56.12 | xacier | that is the reason i am trying out debian again |
| 20:56.12 | solemnwarning | Isn't kvm somthing differant from xen? |
| 20:56.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:56.18 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: I mean boot into non xen - and just modprobe kvm-amd |
| 20:56.31 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: yeah but that will tell you if the bios is at issue |
| 20:56.52 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: (it will say to std err - svm disabled by bios |
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| 20:57.34 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 20:57.43 | solemnwarning | I don't seem to have a kvm-amd module anywhere |
| 20:57.57 | xacier | any new web browser around? |
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| 20:58.34 | xoz | xacier: flock |
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| 20:59.08 | xacier | gui ? |
| 20:59.09 | highshadow | x-Dieu: 10 th install how come ????/ |
| 20:59.16 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: because you are running the xen kernel |
| 20:59.17 | solemnwarning | Is there a program I can run from an xen kernel to check if extention works? |
| 20:59.18 | highshadow | i started off with # cat /var/log/installer/lsb-release |
| 20:59.18 | highshadow | DISTRIB_ID=Debian |
| 20:59.18 | highshadow | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer" |
| 20:59.18 | highshadow | DISTRIB_RELEASE="3.1 (installer build 20060806)" |
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| 20:59.27 | solemnwarning | h3sp4wn: I don't have the module anywhere in /lib/modules |
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| 20:59.38 | solemnwarning | That includes the non-xen kernel |
| 20:59.39 | highshadow | damn lol |
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| 21:00.05 | h3sp4wn | !info kvm-amd.ko |
| 21:00.11 | kb3llm | any way to rip cd's to mp3? Sound Juicer wont. |
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| 21:00.18 | h3sp4wn | !find kvm-amd.ko |
| 21:00.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kvm-amd.ko' (3 of 7): (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/kernel/drivers/kvm/kvm-amd.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/drivers/kvm/kvm-amd.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/kernel/drivers/kvm/kvm-amd.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.22-3-486. |
| 21:01.01 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: it's not in etch ? |
| 21:01.06 | solemnwarning | 'find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/ | grep kvm' == nothing |
| 21:01.31 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: ah etch |
| 21:02.06 | h3sp4wn | even if the domU's were to run etch I would run something newer on the dom0 |
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| 21:02.23 | solemnwarning | You would run testing/unstable on the root domain? |
| 21:02.44 | kb3llm | any way to rip cd's to mp3? Sound Juicer wont. |
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| 21:03.29 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: or opensolaris b66 |
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| 21:04.52 | BartVB | is it possible to get a shell instead of init during boot? That way I could run the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/ myself and see what goes wrong... |
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| 21:04.53 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: doesn't really matter what but may as well have the latest stable version of xne |
| 21:04.56 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: xen |
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| 21:05.28 | abrotman | kb3llm: yes it can |
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| 21:06.01 | solemnwarning | Is there a program I can run from an xen kernel to check to VT? |
| 21:06.02 | kb3llm | abrotman: how? Its not in there by default, anyway. |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | !lame |
| 21:06.07 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:06.56 | kb3llm | abrotman: i installed that and it still didnt work |
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| 21:07.22 | petemc | solemnwarning: check to vt? you mean check if the processor has the virtualisation extensions? cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:07.45 | abrotman | kb3llm: try grip or jack or something like that .. or you can use sound juicer to rip to wav .. then use lame to convert wav to mp3 |
| 21:07.47 | solemnwarning | petemc: My CPU has them, but xen doesn't load them |
| 21:07.59 | petemc | solemnwarning: load what? |
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| 21:08.15 | solemnwarning | VT support..... |
| 21:08.57 | petemc | solemnwarning: its sometimes a bios option to enable it, other than that, theres nothing to load.. |
| 21:09.05 | abrotman | like he was already told |
| 21:09.12 | solemnwarning | I can't find anything about a BIOS option in the manual |
| 21:09.24 | petemc | i havent read scrollback |
| 21:09.27 | HN5 | I have a problem with installing NVIDIA |
| 21:09.28 | HN5 | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
| 21:09.40 | HN5 | does not find anything |
| 21:10.14 | HN5 | ver. 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 21:10.25 | xacier | um, do i need mozilla to install flock? |
| 21:10.37 | xacier | sheesh, wtf is flock? |
| 21:10.42 | abrotman | HN5: your kernel is out of date |
| 21:10.51 | HN5 | I know |
| 21:10.53 | abrotman | HN5: what's your CPU ? |
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| 21:11.05 | HN5 | I also have 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 21:11.17 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:11.18 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 21:11.30 | HN5 | but it wont start with xorg because the NVIDIA installer that went bad |
| 21:12.07 | HN5 | And when i run the Nvidia installer now it wont work |
| 21:12.07 | solemnwarning | http://www.planetjoel.com/viewarticle/568/HOWTO:+Windows+XP+running+under+Xen+3.0+on+Ubuntu+Dapper+Drake |
| 21:12.13 | HN5 | he says I have no compiler but i do |
| 21:12.13 | solemnwarning | That says I should have VMXON in my dmesg |
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| 21:12.25 | solemnwarning | Would anything besides my BIOS prevent it from working? |
| 21:12.30 | Ward1983 | Ronin, ok my system is normal again now, but if i try to install the first package from the link apt cannot find it... |
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| 21:13.07 | abrotman | solemnwarning: have you asked ##xen yet? |
| 21:13.16 | HN5 | (10:11:15 PM) dpkg: hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 21:13.16 | solemnwarning | #Xen is dead |
| 21:13.18 | lard-Vader | hey, can someone explain how patch works |
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| 21:13.23 | fasta | Is it possible with an ulimit of unlimited that the kernel kills my processes? |
| 21:13.28 | HN5 | No i have sempron 32bit |
| 21:13.29 | Eulex | lard-Vader, man can |
| 21:13.32 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, xm info and look for xen_caps line. |
| 21:13.40 | lard-Vader | man? |
| 21:13.43 | lard-Vader | who is man? |
| 21:13.51 | solemnwarning | xen_caps : xen-3.0-x86_32p hvm-3.0-x86_32 hvm-3.0-x86_32p |
| 21:13.51 | Eulex | HN5, dpkg is a bot |
| 21:13.51 | Tachyon- | h3sp4wn: hmm... I followed the guide, changed grub entried and fstab entried to LABEL, but it boots from hdb1, what did I miss? |
| 21:13.54 | Eulex | lard-Vader, man man |
| 21:13.56 | Eulex | !man |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | [man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/asd/ |
| 21:14.01 | HN5 | lol |
| 21:14.05 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: /boot/grub/menu.lst (the kopt line) |
| 21:14.09 | lard-Vader | lol |
| 21:14.13 | lard-Vader | ahh |
| 21:14.15 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, well then .... |
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| 21:14.17 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: then update-grub (after) |
| 21:14.18 | fasta | This particular process can be described as using much more memory as I have available. |
| 21:14.22 | lard-Vader | I looked at the man |
| 21:14.29 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ##xen ... you need both |
| 21:14.37 | solemnwarning | abrotman: #xen redirects |
| 21:14.51 | maddash | cool, autologin |
| 21:14.52 | solemnwarning | If it makes you happier ##xen is dead |
| 21:14.55 | HN5 | iss this the line? |
| 21:14.55 | Tachyon- | oh, so it seems, thank you :) I'll try that now |
| 21:14.55 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, RTFM about HVM |
| 21:14.55 | HN5 | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:15.04 | jzxu | i want to make a connection consisting of just two computers with NICs and a single cat5 cable between the two, what should I put in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:15.09 | solemnwarning | Which man? |
| 21:15.14 | Eulex | lard-Vader, basically, patch -pN < filename.patch, where N is the number of directory levels you want to remove before applying the patch. |
| 21:15.17 | maddash | jzxu: static ips and the like |
| 21:15.20 | lard-Vader | yah |
| 21:15.22 | lard-Vader | I did that |
| 21:15.30 | lard-Vader | it keeps on saying hunk failed |
| 21:15.30 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, example: http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas/xen_304_hvm_etch.html |
| 21:15.38 | lard-Vader | even though I checked manually |
| 21:15.42 | lard-Vader | and the parts to patch are there |
| 21:15.53 | solemnwarning | Thanks |
| 21:15.54 | jzxu | maddash: I did that, and I can ping my linux computer from the other computer, but I can't ping the other computer from my linux computer |
| 21:16.06 | HN5 | I get this warning when i try to get nvidian driver |
| 21:16.06 | HN5 | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 |
| 21:16.18 | Eulex | lard-Vader, then something has failed in some way. you'll have to merge it manually. but the command 'merge' can at least perhaps help you a bit with it. |
| 21:16.18 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, yw |
| 21:16.22 | solemnwarning | Does that mean that the missing VMXON messages don't matter? |
| 21:16.23 | dvs | jzxu: you may need a special crossover cable to directly connect two NICs |
| 21:16.34 | jzxu | dvs: right, forgot about that, thanks |
| 21:16.59 | lard-Vader | well, everything is failing, even though I checked manually and they should be working |
| 21:17.04 | lard-Vader | I think it might be another issue... |
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| 21:17.27 | Eulex | lard-Vader, obviously patch doesn't think so |
| 21:17.31 | lard-Vader | lol |
| 21:17.48 | lard-Vader | this pisses me off |
| 21:17.49 | maddash | selfish bastard |
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| 21:18.29 | lard-Vader | could possibly the last edit time affect the patching ability? |
| 21:19.19 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, or you did not setup dom0 proper yet or its tools, or you didnt create the domU's properly for HVM, or you cpu doesnt support VT, xen doesnt need bios for that [period] |
| 21:19.25 | HN5 | What is the reason for a cross cable? |
| 21:20.43 | lard-Vader | will patch not work if the last saved time is different |
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| 21:20.49 | dutchfish | solemnwarning, also read this: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq |
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| 21:21.37 | lard-Vader | hello? |
| 21:21.40 | HN5 | can someone help me with the debian installation of nvidia drivers? |
| 21:22.01 | abrotman | HN5: what's wrong with what the bot said ? |
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| 21:22.21 | HN5 | abrotman: E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 |
| 21:23.12 | abrotman | HN5: paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 21:23.54 | Ronin | just not here |
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| 21:24.44 | HN5 | I have headers installed if that is what you mean? |
| 21:25.02 | Eulex | HN5, are you perhaps on testing? |
| 21:25.08 | Ronin | HN5: no he means copy the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin url |
| 21:25.10 | abrotman | HN5: show us your sources |
| 21:25.13 | xacier | what is the util tool to create *.deb packages? |
| 21:25.14 | Ronin | !paste |
| 21:25.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:25.27 | abrotman | !tell xacier about mg |
| 21:25.45 | xacier | hmm |
| 21:26.03 | HN5 | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 21:26.12 | HN5 | deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 21:26.26 | abrotman | !tell HN5 about non-free |
| 21:26.28 | abrotman | !tell HN5 about contrib |
| 21:26.29 | Ronin | add contrib at least i bet |
| 21:26.40 | HN5 | ty |
| 21:27.17 | abrotman | he needs both |
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| 21:27.44 | HN5 | do I need to add them to the list? |
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| 21:28.15 | Ronin | HN5: yes, just after the word main on all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:28.32 | lard-Vader | will patches not work if the last edit time is different? |
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| 21:28.54 | Eulex | lard-Vader, I doubt it. |
| 21:28.55 | HN5 | just seperated by a space? |
| 21:28.58 | lard-Vader | ok... |
| 21:29.01 | HN5 | separated* |
| 21:29.04 | Tachyon- | h3sp4wn: now the issue is a lot weirder, the 2.6.21-2 does not boot, only kernel that boots is the one I compiled myself, and that is 2.6.21-3, which didn't use to boot oO |
| 21:29.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:29.09 | HN5 | ok |
| 21:29.20 | Tachyon- | the new debian kernel 2.6.22 does not boot either |
| 21:30.27 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: So the debian kernel perhaps is broken at the moment on your hardware (I don't know how to force libata on a debian kernel) |
| 21:30.41 | HN5 | But the contrib link needs to be preceded by "contrib" right? |
| 21:30.42 | dutchfish | goodnight debian |
| 21:31.00 | Tachyon- | but the old debian kernel 2.6.18 doesn't boot either, it used to boot |
| 21:31.00 | lard-Vader | grrr... |
| 21:31.19 | lard-Vader | eulex: can you help explain this? |
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| 21:31.41 | lard-Vader | http://pastebin.ca/760237 in the patch |
| 21:31.47 | Ronin | HN5: just add it to the list after the word main on all lines |
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| 21:31.58 | Eulex | lard-Vader, I'm not sure, but I do not think that modification time and date affects patch. |
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| 21:32.28 | lard-Vader | http://pastebin.ca/760262 in autogen.sh |
| 21:32.40 | Tachyon- | I have a pentium 4 and quite standard intel motherboard with almost everything integrated, isn't it unlikely to break on that? |
| 21:32.41 | lard-Vader | yet it fails every time |
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| 21:32.57 | Tachyon- | anyway, thanks for your help on the issue |
| 21:32.58 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: You could try switching just the LABEL= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst to a UUID |
| 21:33.38 | Eulex | lard-Vader, I see a lot of extra empty lines in that snip from autogen.sh |
| 21:33.54 | lard-Vader | hm... |
| 21:34.00 | xacier | what is the best package to run a foreign o/s inside debian? |
| 21:34.02 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sda? (whatever the root partition is) |
| 21:34.08 | Tachyon- | maybe I try to compile 2.6.22 myself and if that boots and I get gspca modules, then everything is fine |
| 21:34.13 | lard-Vader | well, that's not there when I open in teaed |
| 21:34.16 | Eulex | lard-Vader, which explains why the patch is failing. better apply it yourself manually |
| 21:34.18 | lard-Vader | I think its just from pasting |
| 21:34.24 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: may as well try 2.6.23 |
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| 21:34.42 | Tachyon- | oh, ok |
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| 21:34.46 | abrotman | xacier: depends on the foreign OS |
| 21:34.59 | lard-Vader | oh, it might be the type of line breaks |
| 21:35.03 | lard-Vader | that would be interesting |
| 21:35.15 | Eulex | could be, yes |
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| 21:36.05 | Alarm | is there any dockbar that could be used on the top of the screen ? not on bottom like every other dock bar ? |
| 21:36.21 | Eulex | lard-Vader, file will tell you whether a file has non-unix line endings |
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| 21:37.00 | abrotman | Alarm: probably depends on the WM |
| 21:37.06 | HN5 | Now I get W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom:// |
| 21:37.35 | lard-Vader | ahh |
| 21:37.37 | lard-Vader | thnx |
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| 21:38.37 | Bearcat | hey folks. I need a little help. I'm trying to convert a amd system to run on umy new intel core. I need to download a boot cd so i can work on it. Looking at http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ which one do i want? ia64 is for itanum and amd64 is for amd. Which one should i grab for my core 2 duo? |
| 21:39.04 | lard-Vader | so just file autogen.sh? |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | Bearcat: amd64 if you want 64bit |
| 21:39.40 | Bearcat | abrotman: so the amd64 isn't really amd specific? |
| 21:39.48 | Eulex | Bearcat, intel adopted the amd64 instruction set for their new (non-itanium) 64-bit cpus |
| 21:40.01 | lard-Vader | Eulex: do I just run "file autogen.sh"? |
| 21:40.04 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:40.04 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 21:40.25 | Bearcat | huh. nice |
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| 21:40.46 | Tachyon- | h3sp4wn: /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sdb1 says error opening volume, it does it for every sd and hd volume, should I use some label thing on the command? |
| 21:40.50 | Eulex | Bearcat, debian ia64 wouldn't even boot on that box. |
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| 21:41.25 | Bearcat | will the business card size give me enough tools bzip, tar, chroot) to charoot to my old disc? |
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| 21:41.39 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: Don't know it should work (if it is as root) |
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| 21:41.52 | Bearcat | Eulex: yeah, i just downloaded it and found out. thanks |
| 21:41.53 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: and it is sdb that is definately used (check dmesg) |
| 21:42.04 | Eulex | Bearcat, in any case, for a desktop, I'd recommend running debian i386 and not debian amd64. there are some problems still with binary proprietary stuff like the flash player and the java plugin. |
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| 21:42.22 | Eulex | Bearcat, what 'conversion' is this that you're doing? what is the box running now? |
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| 21:42.34 | Tachyon- | h3sp4wn: whoops, yeah, I had to be root :D |
| 21:42.41 | lard-Vader | which is unix, CR of LF |
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| 21:42.46 | Bearcat | Eulex: i'm running sourcemage gnu/linux anway. Everything on my system was compiled on a amd athlon 64 |
| 21:43.06 | Bearcat | Eulex: thus i need to chroot and recompile things to get them to work on my new intel box. |
| 21:43.07 | Eulex | Bearcat, that system will boot on your new shiny c2d. |
| 21:43.14 | hardbop200 | I need some help - I need to compile a kernel with aufs + squashfs patches. all these are obviously in the testing repos, but I don't know how to use them in "the Debian way" (i.e., once I install the aufs package, where is the patch?) can someone point to some doc or some search terms to use to find out how to do this? |
| 21:43.29 | muhoo | i have a bunch of pata drives i need to put in an enclosure. what would be faster and more reliable: firewire or USB2.0? |
| 21:43.40 | Bearcat | Eulex: even if the kernel is specified to compile with a amd athlon instuction set? |
| 21:43.43 | h3sp4wn | !tell hardbop200 about m-a |
| 21:43.44 | Eulex | Bearcat, oh, if you mean that it runs a linux amd64 system. |
| 21:43.51 | Eulex | <Eulex> Bearcat, intel adopted the amd64 instruction set for their new (non-itanium) 64-bit cpus |
| 21:44.04 | Eulex | Bearcat, ah, *athlon*. that changes stuff. |
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| 21:44.09 | Bearcat | Eulex: yeah! |
| 21:44.19 | Eulex | Bearcat, it might, it might also not. you could try. |
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| 21:44.33 | Bearcat | Eulex: i gave it a shot. it was a no go. kernel panic |
| 21:44.48 | Eulex | Bearcat, might only need a new kernel |
| 21:44.59 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: thank you very much! :) |
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| 21:45.14 | Eulex | Bearcat, but what are you attempting? a debootstrap? |
| 21:45.18 | Bearcat | Eulex: that's what i'm thinking, but i'd hate for it to bomb out on udev or something |
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| 21:45.37 | Bearcat | Eulex: i'm attempting to chroot into my old hard drive and recompile my system |
| 21:45.50 | Eulex | Bearcat, debian provides binaries for you. |
| 21:45.56 | dvs | sounds like gentoo |
| 21:46.21 | Bearcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.03 | Bearcat | Eulex: when you go into a chroot it attempts to get there using the libs and binaries on the target system. They are all athlon, thus j cannot get there |
| 21:47.31 | Bearcat | Eulex: i have a tar ball of a basic system that i will copy over to the target system, then i can chroot over |
| 21:47.45 | Eulex | Bearcat, replace them. but I'd really recommend to just backup all stuff you want to keep from it, and then reformat it. |
| 21:48.28 | Bearcat | Eulex: i might do that if i have to, but my linux flavor has a "sorcery --rebuild" command that will recast everything |
| 21:48.30 | Eulex | Bearcat, but really, I'd really recommend just getting some random livecd if you have no intention of running debian |
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| 21:49.03 | Eulex | Bearcat, I'd also recommend actually asking for help in the irc channel of the distro you're intending to use... |
| 21:49.07 | Bearcat | Eulex: i tried the kubuntu one and the shell (busybox) didn't even have a tar that could handle bzips! |
| 21:49.32 | h3sp4wn | Bearcat: use grml |
| 21:49.34 | h3sp4wn | !grml |
| 21:49.35 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 21:49.36 | Bearcat | Eulex: been there. They suggested i use a debian cd, thus i am here asking about it. |
| 21:50.21 | Bearcat | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 21:51.19 | HN5 | "We need to stomp out, erase, and eradicate redundency" uh scary |
| 21:51.32 | HN5 | :p |
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| 21:51.40 | jsubl2 | looking for url's about how to extend battery life |
| 21:52.05 | HN5 | I know a way |
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| 21:53.12 | Eulex | jsubl2, use a cpufreq governor, for starters. |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | jsubl2: i'm sure google has a few links |
| 21:53.41 | jsubl2 | got a url to a doc i can read |
| 21:53.43 | abrotman | turn down your LCD brightness |
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| 21:54.12 | jsubl2 | dimming does not seem to work.. running lenny |
| 21:54.18 | jsubl2 | not sure why |
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| 21:54.20 | abrotman | which laptop ? |
| 21:54.26 | HN5 | you have to place the the battery on the central heating |
| 21:54.28 | abrotman | though .. it works for me in lenny |
| 21:54.34 | jsubl2 | toshiba a205-s4577 |
| 21:54.44 | abrotman | you tried using the firmware buttons to dim it ? |
| 21:54.45 | jsubl2 | intel chipset |
| 21:55.25 | jsubl2 | is that a kernel module firmware? |
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| 21:55.42 | Eulex | heh, odd. my caps lock, num lock and scroll lock lights on my keyboard have stopped working. |
| 21:55.53 | Tachyon- | jsub12: I used some of the hits to reduce comsumption here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_reduce_power_consumption |
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| 21:56.17 | jsubl2 | thanks Tachyon- I will read it |
| 21:57.25 | Tachyon- | jsub12: I'm not an expert so I probably can't help much if you mess something up, some of the hits are very safe and usefull, such as the powertop thing :) |
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| 21:57.44 | jsubl2 | ok. thanks Tachyon- |
| 21:58.22 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: any idea how to get aufs to show up in the available modules when running m-a? I've downloaded all of the packages, updated the cache, no love :) |
| 21:58.51 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: you could try getting the aufs-source .deb from testing or unstable |
| 21:59.05 | h3sp4wn | !info aufs-source |
| 21:59.07 | dpkg | aufs-source: (Source for the aufs driver), section misc, is optional. Version: 0+20070924-2 (sid), Packaged size: 105 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 21:59.30 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: dpkg -i it (and then - just do m-a a-i aufs |
| 21:59.38 | Bearcat | downloaded cds now. Thanks folks |
| 21:59.48 | muhoo | usb 2.0 vs firewire, on linux? |
| 22:00.05 | muhoo | which would be faster/more reliabile (for disk). with gig e being the third alternative |
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| 22:00.32 | techouse | hey... I'm about to buy an opteron 180 or 185 for my old a8n-sli s939 mobo; which linux kernel do i need then -k7 or -amd64? |
| 22:00.35 | xacier | um how do you execute bittorrent? i installed the crap |
| 22:00.46 | abrotman | xacier: dpkg -L bittorrent |
| 22:00.47 | xacier | what is the command for bittorrent? |
| 22:00.48 | muhoo | xacier: bt_download[foo] |
| 22:00.50 | abrotman | or whatever package |
| 22:00.54 | abrotman | !tell xacier about grounding |
| 22:01.06 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: worked perfectly :) thank you again! |
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| 22:01.31 | Alarm | i got a question about the way debian uses my memory. i got 512mb memory and 1024mb swap file. what i isee at the moment is 60mb ONLY used from my memory and 150mb from my swap. why is that happening ? why doesnt it store things on ram ? its much faster than a HD |
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| 22:03.55 | Blissex | Alarm: it is complicated. "used" is not quite what it sounds. In particular in the swap it should read "backed up". |
| 22:04.22 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: now I should be able to cd into /usr/src/linux (which points to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686) and do my make-kpkg stuff, yes? |
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| 22:04.39 | Alarm | why not storing things in ram when there is so much available |
| 22:04.48 | Alarm | thats what i dont get |
| 22:05.05 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: What do you mean ? now you just need to modprobe the kernel module |
| 22:05.20 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: actually I guess you need to do a backport of the userland tools (if there are any) |
| 22:05.52 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: I need to add an additional patch not included in the repos and create a .deb from the entire thing |
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| 22:06.00 | gryfie_ | Alarm: Are you sure, that you have only 60 mb in use? |
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| 22:06.13 | Alarm | 71 at the moment, yes i am sure |
| 22:06.17 | gryfie_ | or are there only 60 mb unused ? |
| 22:06.20 | hardbop200 | I know how to add my additional patch, and I know how to make-kpkg, I just wasn't sure how to add that module to the source |
| 22:06.39 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: You know how to add the patch to aufs-source ? |
| 22:06.54 | Alarm | 71 used |
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| 22:07.06 | gryfie_ | Alarm: There are diffrent values in /proc/sys/vm, where it depends, when memory is swapped |
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| 22:07.16 | gryfie_ | maybe you had more memory used before |
| 22:07.22 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: not sure what you mean...so I guess no |
| 22:07.26 | gryfie_ | and at this time, ti swapped |
| 22:07.26 | Alarm | not the last 3 years :) |
| 22:07.29 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: or was you planning manually to unpack the tar.{bz2,gz} and just manually add the patch ? (prior to make-kpkg) |
| 22:07.36 | gryfie_ | or many ram uis used as file-cache |
| 22:07.58 | gryfie_ | alarm: I mean, your application used more then 60 mb last time |
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| 22:08.02 | hardbop200 | I thought by doing m-a a-i aufs that I have added the patch. is this not the case? |
| 22:08.18 | gryfie_ | let's say, 480 including cached files an buffers |
| 22:08.18 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: the modules_image target (for make-kpkg) builds any kernel modules that are in /usr/src/modules |
| 22:08.18 | TTT | hi, is 2.6.23 out for debian? |
| 22:08.23 | Alarm | application memory 70mb and buffered 70mb more |
| 22:08.34 | gryfie_ | and cached ? |
| 22:08.37 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: Debian builds external kernel modules out of tree |
| 22:08.47 | Alarm | cached is the sum of those 2 |
| 22:08.48 | Alarm | 140 |
| 22:09.05 | Alarm | and 150mb swap |
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| 22:09.26 | gryfie_ | yes, and this 150 would be used maybe also |
| 22:09.33 | gryfie_ | if it would stay in ram |
| 22:09.47 | gryfie_ | so you had less buffers and less vached files |
| 22:09.52 | gryfie_ | cached |
| 22:09.54 | Alarm | well still dont get why not using the rest of ram isntead of writing to hard drive |
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| 22:10.16 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: I see. I guess I'm not clear on this: when I build/install the module for aufs, am I also patching the kernel source? does Debian have an "official" way of adding patches to the kernel source? |
| 22:10.47 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: The official way is to build the modules out of tree |
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| 22:11.07 | h3sp4wn | hardbop200: You can have a look at apt-get source linux-2.6 |
| 22:11.14 | Tachyon- | h3sp4wn: UUID thing did not work, it seems like a halt as I can't reboot with ctrl+alt+del, so I'm going to try compiling my own kernel, thank you for all the time you tookt to help :) |
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| 22:12.13 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: But you can boot into the working kernel (you made yourself before right ?) Just remove all the old ide stuff to be certain |
| 22:12.16 | hardbop200 | h3sp4wn: okay, you've been more than helpful. thanks for all of the guidance. |
| 22:12.28 | GarulfoUnix | hi everybody ! :) |
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| 22:13.04 | Tachyon- | h3sp4wn: yes, how should I go removing all ide stuff? I already did that in fstab and grub's menu.lst |
| 22:13.22 | Bearcat | hmm, the debian boot cd can't find my sata dvd-rom drive |
| 22:13.48 | gryfie_ | Alarm: I didn'Ät code the kernel, so I don't know it's memory strategy, but you can change the following value down: |
| 22:13.54 | gryfie_ | /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
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| 22:14.43 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: You probably don't need to but look inside the old ide bit |
| 22:14.59 | gryfie_ | and /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expierey_centiseconds |
| 22:15.20 | gryfie_ | I set the frist value to 10 and the other to 200 |
| 22:15.46 | gryfie_ | and I have the feeling, that my laptop is more responsible, when using swap |
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| 22:16.36 | h3sp4wn | Tachyon-: I ment inside the kernel configuration (just keep the sata(prod) and pata(experimental) ones) |
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| 22:16.54 | h3sp4wn | or which ever ones were working with the kernel you are booted from now |
| 22:17.13 | h3sp4wn | (if its sda then you are using libata - if its hda you are using the old legacy ones) |
| 22:17.22 | Tachyon- | ok |
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| 22:23.20 | killfill | hi. how could i make 1 wifi card, act as two?.. like to use it as hostap, and ad-hoc? |
| 22:23.21 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 22:23.21 | dpkg | qotd197 is, like, Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
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| 22:25.54 | muhoo | what's the name of that sql thing, it's not a daemon like mysql, it's a library and command line tool that lets you just open the sql database when you need it? |
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| 22:26.33 | muhoo | it's used often in some python web stuff |
| 22:26.52 | muhoo | ah, nevermind: sqlite |
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| 22:30.00 | dserban | I'm confused. Haven't run into this kind of issue in a while. I asked here a few days back, but got a "oh that's odd" answer. I'm on an ext3 fs and using 2.6.22. I go and download 3 iso DVD images of etch and they complete. At 2.0gb. Not the 4.4 they say they are. This happens with iceweasel as well as well as wget. I'm wondering what's misconfigured? The 2.0gb file limit disappeared ages ago... |
| 22:30.33 | dserban | I'm running a dd if=/dev/zero of=/test bs=1024 count=4194304 |
| 22:30.54 | fasta | dserban: did you check that iceweasel can download files of that size? |
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| 22:31.18 | dserban | fasta, no, I didn't know I had to...? though wget does the same. |
| 22:32.07 | dserban | Oh and dd just finished and here's the output: 4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 143.676 seconds, 29.9 MB/s.. then an ls -l on / shows this:-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.0G Nov 3 15:32 test |
| 22:32.37 | Blissex | dserban: check your download program :-) |
| 22:32.38 | fasta | dserban: setup a webserver and check with another browser. |
| 22:32.48 | dserban | so though, ls doesn't report the right size (~400mb missing) it seems that a 4G file can exist. |
| 22:33.00 | DeFirence | !seen dawnlight |
| 22:33.01 | dpkg | dawnlight <n=dawn@89.0.122.106.dynamic.barak-online.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12h 47m 11s ago, saying: 'bbl!'. |
| 22:33.04 | Cephexin | dserban: the problem is most likely regarding to your internet connectivity |
| 22:33.23 | dserban | Blissex, wget and iceweasel? What do I need to check? |
| 22:33.33 | Blissex | dserban: you can create a file of 10GB much faster: 'dd if=/dev/zero bs=1k skip=10G of=/tmp/10G' |
| 22:34.20 | fasta | Blissex: and you can make lots of those files, right? |
| 22:34.21 | dserban | fasta, why? I don't understand what that'll do to help? ie. am I just testing to see if I can download files larger than 2G?... I can't :) |
| 22:34.42 | Cephexin | dserban: what is the output of download-resuming (-c) in wget? |
| 22:34.50 | dserban | Cephexin, ehh, my network won't let me get a file larger than 2g? :( |
| 22:34.53 | fasta | dserban: this is an optimization to test faster whether you can download something large. |
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| 22:34.59 | dondelelcaro | fasta: only limited by the number of inodes you can create |
| 22:35.08 | fasta | dondelelcaro: right |
| 22:35.17 | dserban | Cephexin, trying... |
| 22:35.53 | Blissex | dserban: fasta: oops wrong syntax, this works: "dd if=/dev/zero bs=1k count=1 seek=10M of=/var/tmp/10G" |
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| 22:36.30 | dserban | Cephexin, Length: 2,147,483,647 (2.0G), 1,105,796,116 (1.0G) remaining [application/x-iso9660-image] (with -c) if I start it from scratch it reports: Length: 4,696,463,360 (4.4G) [application/x-iso9660-image] and then it completes at 2G... |
| 22:36.31 | Blissex | dserban: you sure can download files larger than 2G if both server and client support the right protocol extension. |
| 22:37.06 | dondelelcaro | Blissex: you can actually just use count=0 if you want |
| 22:37.13 | Blissex | dserban: anyhow use something like RSYNC or Torrent to download large images, it is much safer. |
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| 22:38.26 | Blissex | dserban: both RSYNC and Torrent can take your existing 2G image and complete it and they checksum while downloading too. |
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| 22:38.49 | dserban | Blissex, so you're saying it's a problem with the HTTP protocol? |
| 22:38.52 | alaxK | Hi |
| 22:38.58 | killfill | anyone can point me to a document where explans what tools are avaible to connect to a wifi AP, with commands?... |
| 22:39.24 | alaxK | I have problem getting mod_auth_mysql working with apache 2.2. I know that they are not compatible with each-other. That's why i used what was one of the site offering: http://www.heuer.org/mod_auth_mysql/ |
| 22:39.34 | Blissex | dserban: yes... |
| 22:39.35 | alaxK | Does someone have an alternative way to get it working on apache 2.2 ? |
| 22:39.36 | dserban | I dislike torrent :(. Rsync is fine, though can you name a deb mirror that publicaly allows rsync of the dvd iso's? |
| 22:39.55 | Blissex | dserban: lots of Debian mirrors offer RSYNC. |
| 22:40.26 | Cephexin | killfill: i think the kismet are going to satisfy ya |
| 22:40.52 | killfill | Cephexin: but i mean how to connect to ap.. i.e. on freebsd i can using ifconfig for all.. |
| 22:41.11 | killfill | i.e. to scan and connect |
| 22:41.18 | killfill | and set wpa keys, etc |
| 22:41.37 | Cephexin | killfill: ah, you mean setting up a wireless connection in debian? |
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| 22:42.01 | killfill | yup. on any linux really |
| 22:42.25 | killfill | its for wrt54g router im playing.. |
| 22:42.47 | Cephexin | killfill: in a nutshell, you should do it through setting your interface file which is located at: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:43.18 | killfill | but with commands.. not with config files.. :) |
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| 22:43.30 | Cephexin | and to scan wireless access points use the command: wpa-ap-scan 1 in your entry |
| 22:43.38 | Cephexin | "1" in that entry means YES or DO IT or something |
| 22:44.03 | Ind[y] | diff works like `$ diff old new > diffile` or like `$ diff new old > diffile`? |
| 22:44.30 | Cephexin | killfill: before you should install the "wpasupplicant" plus some other packages as well |
| 22:44.40 | Cephexin | * before it |
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| 22:46.19 | Cephexin | killfill: commands? ah, iwconfig, iwlist and iwpriv are going to help i think |
| 22:47.08 | killfill | aaah. |
| 22:47.11 | killfill | :) |
| 22:47.36 | Cephexin | killfill: and if you're going to use more than ONE wireless device on a wnic, you can use the madwifi-ng commands tho |
| 22:47.37 | killfill | iwconfig is the one i was looking for.. (it seems) |
| 22:47.45 | Cephexin | killfill: good |
| 22:47.55 | killfill | madwifi-ng?.. is that a command or a driver? |
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| 22:48.27 | Cephexin | killfill: command |
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| 22:48.37 | flapp | hi |
| 22:48.44 | killfill | dont have it.. :S ill keep playing with iwconfig then.. :P |
| 22:49.02 | liable | its a driver |
| 22:49.05 | Cephexin | ah, so you should install the package that i named above |
| 22:49.12 | flapp | probably a very stupid and simple question |
| 22:49.17 | Cephexin | killfill: beside, try the wlandconfig too, if it's working on your kernel |
| 22:49.31 | flapp | but how do I add a script that I placed in /etc/init.d to be started up? |
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| 22:49.40 | killfill | dont have that neither. |
| 22:49.45 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 22:49.45 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 22:49.47 | Cephexin | typing mistakes, i correct it: wlanconfig |
| 22:50.08 | flapp | I did update-rc.d myscript default |
| 22:50.12 | flapp | but it didn't do anything |
| 22:51.09 | Cephexin | killfill: anything else? :D |
| 22:51.23 | killfill | Cephexin: no man.. thanks! |
| 22:51.35 | Cephexin | killfill: you're welcome! |
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| 22:52.39 | alaxK | I just get the error: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_mysql.so into server |
| 22:52.53 | alaxK | And no such file or directory |
| 22:52.58 | alaxK | But it is there |
| 22:54.11 | flapp | oh lol it was a typo |
| 22:54.12 | flapp | n/m |
| 22:54.15 | flapp | Thanks!!! |
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| 22:56.23 | alaxK | Can someone help me with mod_auth_mysql on apache 2.2 ? Yes i know they don't work with eachother, but i got precompiled one which is patched to work ... |
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| 22:58.32 | RichiH | if smartctl -t short; sleep 120; smartctl -a tells me 'Completed: read failure' that means i can throw the disk away? |
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| 22:59.48 | geronimono | !es |
| 22:59.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:00.28 | vn | hiya, anyone knows what means this error, what causes it and how I can avoid it? it froze my server last night : http://pastebin.ca/760342 |
| 23:00.36 | vn | I'.m running on the latest etch stable |
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| 23:04.37 | dto | hi all. i'm still stuck on getting started with the Common Debian Build System. i put my patches in debian/patches, put |
| 23:05.05 | dto | i put "include /usr/share/cdbs/rules/simple-patchsys.mk" |
| 23:05.44 | dto | the only file in the suorce archive i want to change after dh_make runs is the debian/rules file itself. |
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| 23:07.15 | bipolar | is there anyone here proficent with making udev rules? |
| 23:07.17 | LoWang2 | hrm |
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| 23:08.26 | dto | all I'm trying to do is add some options for the ./configure stage, and then make sure it executes "make bootstrap" after configuring. I tried adding a dependency with one of those double-colon make rules, but it doesn't work--- the "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -pgpg -sgpg -D" fails, complaining that I didn't do make bootstrap |
| 23:08.31 | bipolar | I've got a laptop with a evdo card. I'm trying to automaticly symlink the first usbserial port on that card to /dev/evdo. However, my scripts go to hell if any other usbserial devices are plugged in before the evdo card. Has anyone run into this kind of thing before? |
| 23:09.08 | dto | i've been stuck on this CDBS thing for days. |
| 23:10.35 | h3sp4wn | dto: have you tried the debian-mentors channel on oftc ?] |
| 23:10.49 | dto | h3sp4wn: i hadn't heard of that! |
| 23:10.55 | dto | irc.oftc.net? |
| 23:10.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:10.59 | h3sp4wn | dto: yes |
| 23:11.51 | dto | thanks, i will try there :-) |
| 23:12.11 | ben_goodger | hurrah |
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| 23:15.54 | dto | hmm. my connections to oftc.net are timing out |
| 23:16.45 | dto | as are pings to irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:17.10 | abrotman | try like irc.geo.oftc.net |
| 23:18.03 | h3sp4wn | !mentors |
| 23:18.03 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 23:18.48 | dto | ah, irc.debian.org. i'll try that |
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| 23:19.14 | h3sp4wn | its probably a cname for oftc anyway |
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| 23:29.11 | ttick | anyone know if the bandwidth limit function of scp uses a burst or a trickle method? |
| 23:30.42 | chinasky | hello, i got in fstab file two partitions with this options: ext3 defaults 0 0. well, i can only write in one of them. anyone know why? |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | mount point permissions? |
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| 23:31.39 | alaxK | How can i use some apache module as i386 ? While i am running amd64 system ? |
| 23:32.03 | abrotman | you can't |
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| 23:32.40 | alaxK | that's bad |
| 23:32.49 | simonrvn | no, that's life |
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| 23:33.06 | alaxK | good answer |
| 23:33.07 | chinasky | brotman, i can access both partitions but i can only write in ofe of them...the permissions are the same (i think) |
| 23:33.40 | simonrvn | don't think, check |
| 23:33.48 | bzed | alaxK: why would you try it anyway? |
| 23:35.40 | alaxK | Because i am running amd64 system, i need mod_auth_mysql to get working on a apache 2.2 version |
| 23:35.44 | alaxK | It's complicated :D |
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| 23:36.13 | Nyle | hi |
| 23:36.48 | Nyle | I have setup tftpd, dhcpd, and followed the instructions in the install guiude |
| 23:36.52 | jelly-home | alaxK: you'll need to either install an amd64 package, or build it yourself |
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| 23:37.12 | Nyle | ohwever, I get a error on my pxe client, which is, pxe-e32: tftp open timeout |
| 23:37.32 | Nyle | i don't know what this means |
| 23:37.36 | drmitch | after updating lenny yesterday, I noticed that once in a while, my X just freezes. I can move the mouse and application windows update their display, but i can't click or type anything. not even nums/caps lock work. but i can usually CTRL+ALT+F[1-6] to a console and kill X. anyone know what's up? my log file just says something about libxfcegui4-WARNING ICE I/O Error |
| 23:37.47 | jelly-home | drmitch: xfce? |
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| 23:38.03 | drmitch | should i try running Gnome for a while? |
| 23:38.08 | alaxK | apparently, there is no amd64 package for mod_auth_mysql, and mod_auth_mysql isn't comptaible with apache version 2.2 ( though there's a patch for it ).. i was trying mod_auth_mysql precompiled for apache 2.2 ( patched ) when i realised i am running 64 system :D |
| 23:38.16 | jelly-home | drmitch: apparently installing xfwm4 from unstable fixed the issue |
| 23:38.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, yoru client isnt connecting to your server properly . do you see anything in the logs? |
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| 23:39.05 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: where is the log in eed to look at |
| 23:39.09 | Nyle | i can't find a tftp log |
| 23:39.14 | alaxK | Ok, so here's the question, how can i build deb packages to 64 system, when the source is in i386 ? |
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| 23:39.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, syslog iirc |
| 23:39.50 | drmitch | i can i tell apt to only install xfwm4 from unstable, rather than every package? |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | you can with pinning |
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| 23:40.26 | abrotman | drmitch: or you could just try grabbing just that one pacakge .. and see if it installs without isuse |
| 23:40.27 | abrotman | issue |
| 23:40.34 | drmitch | k |
| 23:40.40 | drmitch | i'll give that a whirl |
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| 23:43.38 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: Nov 3 19:31:41 desktop in.tftpd[27398]: received address was not AF_INET, please check your inetd config |
| 23:43.47 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: this is the only thing related to tftp in the log |
| 23:44.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, does searching the net for 'received address was not AF_INET' or simlar give you any clues? |
| 23:44.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | dont recognise the error myelf |
| 23:46.18 | Nyle | not much really |
| 23:46.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg285849.html related? |
| 23:46.29 | Nyle | nothing related to tftp and its mostly bugs eh |
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| 23:46.53 | xIke_ | hey guys, I have a partially installed kernel that I need to get rid of...it's interfering with apt-get, but I can't reinstall or remove it |
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| 23:47.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | xIke_, can you pstebin the erorr please |
| 23:47.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | *pastebin the error |
| 23:48.19 | xIke_ | Kamping_Kaiser, http://pastebin.com/m4866d1fe |
| 23:48.23 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: the guys said that if he starts tftp-hpa as daemon the netboot continues, how do i do this |
| 23:49.33 | abrotman | xIke_: dpkg -P <pkg> ? |
| 23:49.47 | icyfire0573 | I'm having a problem with freeTDS and UnixODBC. I cannot seem to specify the TDS Version anywhere. I've put it in all of the notable config files /etc/odbc.ini /etc/odbcinst.ini /etc/freetds/freetds.conf and no matter what the queries I am running always fail with the same error Unicode data in a Unicode-only collation or ntext data cannot be sent to clients using DB-Library (such as ISQL) or ODBC version 3.7 or earlier. I can fix this though if I |
| 23:49.47 | icyfire0573 | specify TDSVER=8.0 before the command. Is there any help anyone can give me for that. ( or point me to another group) I've pretty much exhausted my googling ability to fix this one. |
| 23:49.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inetutils/+bug/32330 , look at what pschulz did |
| 23:50.07 | Nyle | ubuntu |
| 23:50.08 | Nyle | heh |
| 23:50.09 | drmitch | abrotman: i think that worked |
| 23:50.10 | drmitch | thanks |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:50.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, odds on they just imported the problem from debian ;) |
| 23:52.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, do you use ipv6? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-July/008298.html you might need to turn it off |
| 23:52.27 | Nyle | I do not use it |
| 23:53.23 | xIke_ | abrotman, same error |
| 23:53.34 | xIke_ | it's in an inconsistent state, and as such, nothing can be done to it |
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| 23:54.19 | sauvin | is there a prerolled low latency kernel for debian etch? |
| 23:54.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | not an offical one iirc |
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| 23:55.02 | sauvin | Rosegarden requires it. |
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| 23:56.16 | Nyle | no luck |
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| 23:59.18 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: in any case, debian doesn't use that inetd by default any more. openbsd-inetd is preferred now |
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