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| 00:00.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, yeah. hpa is (iirc) one of the tools that still uses it. |
| 00:01.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | then again, i havent touched it for > 10 months |
| 00:01.21 | Nyle | I need to install debian on this pos laptop and i need to do it over network |
| 00:01.22 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:01.36 | jelly-home | it's unlikely that it requires inetutils-inetd |
| 00:01.39 | Nyle | still the same error, however tftpd is running |
| 00:01.51 | jelly-home | !pxe |
| 00:01.52 | dpkg | i heard pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 00:01.54 | Nyle | i can connect to the server, just that the client won't connect |
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| 00:03.54 | bzed | DeFirence: put some c4 into an IP packet and sed it to the computer |
| 00:04.01 | DeFirence | haha |
| 00:04.05 | DeFirence | wish i could |
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| 00:04.19 | jelly-home | ./nuke 213.191.139.215 |
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| 00:04.51 | Nyle | jelly-home: i did exactly as on the link you gave me |
| 00:05.05 | Nyle | i can get an ip, but not connect to a running tftp |
| 00:05.22 | jelly-home | DeFirence: hm. Use Geo::IP to figure out the location, then use your handy gigawatt laser in orbit |
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| 00:06.21 | jelly-home | DeFirence: you might need to burn the whole city or a wider area to be sure |
| 00:06.24 | DeFirence | who the fuck is this guy |
| 00:06.28 | DeFirence | im gonna kill him |
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| 00:06.38 | DeFirence | he knows im scanning his ports |
| 00:06.44 | DeFirence | im nmap'ing him |
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| 00:07.14 | Nyle | anyone |
| 00:07.17 | Nyle | someone ;( |
| 00:07.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 00:07.20 | HardDisk_WP | does something like hyperterminal for USB exist? |
| 00:07.29 | HardDisk_WP | i want to raw communicate with a USB device |
| 00:07.30 | sauvin | hyperterminal? |
| 00:07.43 | HardDisk_WP | in this case it's a fingerprint reader |
| 00:07.48 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: write a c program to do it. |
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| 00:08.10 | jelly-home | DeFirence: probably a trojaned machine, or a web hosting machine with buggy php. Criminals don't use their own machines to do the dirty work. |
| 00:08.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeFirence, *why* are you nmaping someone? |
| 00:08.14 | bzed | except that device emulates a serial port, then just use minicom or screen |
| 00:08.17 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: ^^^^ |
| 00:08.39 | HardDisk_WP | i just want to look what it does when i move my finger over it |
| 00:08.46 | DeFirence | cause he is threatening me |
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| 00:08.54 | DeFirence | he wants source code i developed |
| 00:08.59 | DeFirence | and hes fucking with my mind |
| 00:09.06 | sauvin | ignore him. |
| 00:09.08 | DeFirence | and im gonna hunt him down |
| 00:09.11 | DeFirence | and kill him |
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| 00:09.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | you seem pretty easy to fuck with, so i dont blame him |
| 00:09.28 | bzed | DeFirence: put yourself in a fridge please. |
| 00:09.29 | jelly-home | DeFirence: this is not a debian issue. I suggest reporting the issue to his ISP. |
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| 00:09.53 | DeFirence | yes, sorry, i wont speak here anymore |
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| 00:09.59 | HardDisk_WP | don't speak C |
| 00:10.05 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, device doesnt emulate serial port |
| 00:10.07 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, but i remember sth. about a sniffer...so you run windows in QEMU and sniff the usb data to reverse engineer protocol |
| 00:10.09 | HardDisk_WP | DeFirence, you paranoid? |
| 00:10.27 | DeFirence | no |
| 00:10.28 | DeFirence | im not |
| 00:10.42 | sauvin | You're sure you wouldn't benefit from a few thousand milligrams of Seroquel? |
| 00:10.51 | DeFirence | i developed a server a while back and the compitition tried EVERYTHING to take it down |
| 00:10.59 | DeFirence | so im not over reacting |
| 00:11.02 | bzed | sauvin: hehe |
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| 00:11.13 | DeFirence | i logged onto a server using a different nick ip and all |
| 00:11.21 | DeFirence | and that person knew who i waas |
| 00:11.33 | bzed | must be the CIA |
| 00:11.35 | bzed | or FBI |
| 00:11.40 | bzed | or the MARSMEN. |
| 00:11.46 | HardDisk_WP | or your local Porn dealer... |
| 00:11.50 | HardDisk_WP | or the Mafia |
| 00:11.54 | sauvin | Hell, could be the NSA, the GRU or the local boy scouts. |
| 00:11.57 | HardDisk_WP | or the Illuminati :D |
| 00:11.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | or the voices |
| 00:12.06 | suppaman | could be the NBA |
| 00:12.10 | sauvin | LOL |
| 00:12.11 | suppaman | or the WWF |
| 00:12.25 | sauvin | "Yea, I gonna STOMP that clueless twit's stuff!" |
| 00:12.32 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: googling for libusb and stuff like linux userspace usb driver doesn't help? |
| 00:12.34 | DeFirence | lol |
| 00:12.48 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: there are some sniffers for windows. But I guess you could mess with the /dev/usb* device files somehow - never did that though. |
| 00:12.50 | jelly-home | it's the Cabal. |
| 00:13.04 | bzed | TINC. |
| 00:13.18 | sauvin | Feh, WE call it the Cabal because we don't know any better. They call THEMSELVES the Qabal. |
| 00:13.19 | jelly-home | bzed: that's what they want you to think. |
| 00:13.25 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, you can raw access usb from userspace? |
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| 00:13.47 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: my mp3 player has userspace drivers, so obviously it can be done. |
| 00:13.53 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 00:14.08 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: libusb-0.1-4 |
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| 00:14.22 | Nyle | hey upd6 is a ipv6 udp? |
| 00:14.31 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: or try python-usb |
| 00:14.33 | Nyle | $>netstat -an | fgrep -w 69 |
| 00:14.33 | Nyle | udp6 0 0 :::69 :::* |
| 00:14.37 | Nyle | this is what came up |
| 00:14.53 | Nyle | if this is related to ipv6 then i don't have an ipv6 tftp setup so no wonder it can't connect |
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| 00:15.19 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, checked if your mediaplayer is supported by some linux project? |
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| 00:15.32 | simonrvn | it may be also listening on v4 |
| 00:15.38 | simonrvn | Nyle: ^^^ |
| 00:15.43 | Nyle | hi simonrvn |
| 00:15.46 | simonrvn | hi |
| 00:15.50 | jelly-home | udp6 is '6 only, isn't it? |
| 00:15.55 | Nyle | I been trying to get it to work for all day now |
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| 00:16.08 | jelly-home | Nyle: which inetd do you have? |
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| 00:16.16 | Nyle | openssh |
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| 00:16.36 | Nyle | jelly-home: openssh-inetd |
| 00:16.37 | jelly-home | I'm assuming you just said openbsd-inetd |
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| 00:16.45 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:16.54 | simonrvn | well if you can telnet to it via 4, it should work. some daemons display :::XXXXX even though they also do v4 |
| 00:17.19 | jelly-home | you can't bloody telnet to bloody udp |
| 00:17.35 | Nyle | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 00:17.40 | Nyle | $>telnet localhost 69 |
| 00:18.00 | simonrvn | er, nm me... |
| 00:18.03 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:18.09 | jelly-home | Nyle: well, try putting explicit "udp4" in inetd.conf, reload it and see what happens |
| 00:18.10 | Nyle | I'm just here doing what y'all suggesting |
| 00:18.16 | Nyle | I did |
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| 00:18.19 | jelly-home | aand? |
| 00:18.24 | Nyle | jelly-home: no dice! |
| 00:18.31 | jelly-home | rats |
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| 00:18.36 | Nyle | tftp dgram udp4 wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /tftpboot |
| 00:18.42 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 00:18.57 | Nyle | c'mon man ! |
| 00:18.59 | Nyle | fuck!!!a;lksudf;ilkasj;dfasl |
| 00:19.21 | xacier | sup bud |
| 00:19.33 | xacier | got budwiser? |
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| 00:19.37 | Nyle | need to boot pxe |
| 00:19.38 | jelly-home | rm /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko; dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`; reboot |
| 00:19.56 | Nyle | jelly-home: oh dude |
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| 00:19.56 | xacier | are you that ubantu wannabe guy? |
| 00:19.58 | Nyle | oh man |
| 00:20.07 | Nyle | xacier: what? |
| 00:20.08 | jelly-home | Nyle: hit it hard! |
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| 00:20.21 | Nyle | jelly-home: too hard, don't you think? |
| 00:20.54 | Nyle | why am I deleting this |
| 00:21.03 | simonrvn | assasukasse: no we won't |
| 00:21.04 | jelly-home | well, I had it only blacklisted but some funky userspace wants to modprobe it every 5-10 minutes anyway :-| |
| 00:21.05 | Nyle | can't one just rmmod ipv6? |
| 00:21.15 | Nyle | oh really |
| 00:21.18 | jelly-home | you can't rmmod it |
| 00:21.27 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:21.30 | simonrvn | it's permanent |
| 00:21.54 | jelly-home | ipvsux |
| 00:22.06 | simonrvn | why not disable ipv6 via /etc/modprobe.d/* ? |
| 00:22.07 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:22.10 | Nyle | I'm so pissed off |
| 00:22.15 | simonrvn | then reboot |
| 00:22.15 | Nyle | all day long in front of my comptuer |
| 00:22.19 | Nyle | entire day gone and no dice |
| 00:22.27 | liable | i think postfix is the culprit for wanting to load ipv6 (was for me anyhoo) |
| 00:22.30 | Nyle | fuck it i'll reboot |
| 00:22.55 | jelly-home | liable: eh, I have default mta (exim4-daemon-light I think) |
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| 00:23.05 | simonrvn | !disable ipv6 |
| 00:23.09 | xacier | hmm the dude is from new york |
| 00:23.30 | jelly-home | Nov 4 01:10:39 kanta-linux modprobe: WARNING: Not loading blacklisted module ipv6 \n Nov 4 01:11:12 kanta-linux last message repeated zillion times |
| 00:23.43 | xacier | ny dudes musbe really computer nords |
| 00:24.06 | simonrvn | xacier: get yourself a dictionary |
| 00:24.23 | xacier | it is irc blah |
| 00:24.52 | jelly-home | so it needs a fake "install ..." line in /etc/modprobe.d/, and at that point it's easier to just delete the bugger |
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| 00:25.41 | simonrvn | it's irc, not texting |
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| 00:26.08 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i was thinking more the (sec): |
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| 00:26.59 | jelly-home | simonrvn: just blacklisting results in above ^^, so one needs "install ipv6 /bin/true" in addition (or maybe just that) |
| 00:27.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | sauvin, which means...? |
| 00:27.15 | sauvin | "Writing in SMS *forbidden*" |
| 00:27.29 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:27.31 | Nyle | man |
| 00:27.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah right. hehe |
| 00:27.38 | sauvin | :D |
| 00:27.38 | Nyle | you jelly my main man |
| 00:27.39 | yigal | for g++ long double is giving me the same precision as double for x86_64 architecture anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:27.41 | Nyle | you are a fucking genius |
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| 00:27.51 | Nyle | jelly-home++ |
| 00:27.56 | Nyle | simonrvn++ |
| 00:27.56 | jazbo2185 | when I run audacity, I get "Error opening sound device"... what can I do? |
| 00:27.59 | jelly-home | Nyle: Thanks. I accept Paypal and moneybookers. |
| 00:28.05 | sauvin | use a different sound device. |
| 00:28.09 | simonrvn | !net-pf-10 |
| 00:28.09 | dpkg | [net-pf-10] the IPv6 module. If you want to disable warnings about this, turn it off by uncommenting the "alias net-pf-10 off" line in /etc/modutils/aliases, then running update-modules. |
| 00:28.15 | Nyle | jelly-home: how about if I smoke a bowl for ya |
| 00:28.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:28.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, what was the problem? |
| 00:28.29 | simonrvn | jelly-home: stick that in /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| 00:28.30 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: ipv6 tftp instead of v4 |
| 00:28.34 | jelly-home | Nyle: if it works for you, I'm fine with it! |
| 00:28.35 | simonrvn | Nyle: you too |
| 00:28.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | ... |
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| 00:28.57 | jelly-home | simonrvn: doesn't work. It did in modutils time. Or perhaps before udev. |
| 00:28.59 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: I disabled ipv6 module and now it just booted |
| 00:29.02 | Nyle | thank god |
| 00:29.10 | jazbo2185 | sauvin: I cant seem to see any sound devices when I go to preferences in audacity |
| 00:29.12 | simonrvn | bleh :( |
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| 00:29.38 | sauvin | None!? |
| 00:29.39 | Nyle | this laptop I was trying to install debian on, has no screen, has no cdrom, floppy, blank HD, busted usb |
| 00:29.45 | jelly-home | simonrvn: it's good sarge advice, but obsolete now |
| 00:29.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, <Kamping_Kaiser> Nyle, do you use ipv6? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-July/008298.html you might need to turn it off <Nyle> I do not use it |
| 00:30.09 | Nyle | jelly-home: btw, you get credit for only providing a solution |
| 00:30.10 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:30.21 | Nyle | I get credit for at least figuring out the problem |
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| 00:30.26 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: he doesn't use it, just the OS does. :-) |
| 00:30.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, ok, i'll pay that... sort of ;) |
| 00:30.41 | Nyle | I thought to myself, why not just check to see if tftp is running |
| 00:30.47 | Nyle | i found a 6 next to it |
| 00:30.55 | Nyle | anyway, now i need to install deb |
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| 00:31.10 | jazbo2185 | sauvin: nothing there to select from... |
| 00:31.22 | jelly-home | Nyle: file a bug on openbsd-inetd btw, this should _not_ happen. |
| 00:31.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, there is one |
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| 00:31.41 | Nyle | yeh... |
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| 00:31.47 | Nyle | I was umm.. |
| 00:31.53 | Nyle | actually uhh I was |
| 00:31.55 | jelly-home | Nyle: _especially_ not if it persisted whe using udp4 explicitely |
| 00:31.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg285849.html |
| 00:32.01 | Nyle | hmm. setting up tftp on kubuntu . |
| 00:32.06 | sauvin | Jazbo2185, I just tried to use audacity while mplayer was playing a tune, and got a similar error. I closed down mplayer and now it works... I think... |
| 00:32.08 | jazbo2185 | When I open up audacity I get "there was an error initializing the audio i/o layer" |
| 00:32.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | the bug doesnt note the solution, just the problem |
| 00:32.20 | sauvin | Ah, yes, there it is. |
| 00:32.36 | sauvin | What this means is, if you have something else using the sound device, you'll have to close it down. |
| 00:32.37 | bzed | !dmix |
| 00:32.37 | dpkg | dmix is, like, an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 00:32.39 | Nyle | i'll post it in debian of course |
| 00:32.43 | Nyle | bts |
| 00:32.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, its there |
| 00:32.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | i linked you to it |
| 00:32.50 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, but that's not the same inetd. |
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| 00:32.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, ah |
| 00:33.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres also a bug in launchpad. (i linked it above as well) |
| 00:33.23 | Nyle | I am on a shitty pos konversation right now |
| 00:33.24 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: the old one was crappy all over. Frankly I didn't expect openbsd-inetd to be buggy as well. |
| 00:33.30 | Nyle | no irssi until my laptop is up |
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| 00:33.47 | Nyle | and no ignores here, shit is zooming by, buffer is small, don't wanna configure konversation |
| 00:33.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, never had to deal with the old one much iirc |
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| 00:33.58 | jazbo2185 | sauvin: is there a way I can check what programs are using the sound system? |
| 00:34.04 | Nyle | ok here is another one for ya guys |
| 00:34.21 | Nyle | this laptop has a realtek eth0 and broadcom bcm43xx eth1 |
| 00:34.30 | Nyle | I need to enable packet injection on bcm43xx |
| 00:34.38 | sauvin | jazbo2185, I'm not certain, but I believe the sound device it's talking about is /dev/dsp |
| 00:34.43 | sauvin | You can use lsof or fuser on it. |
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| 00:34.54 | Nyle | afaik, doesn't the bcm43xx packet injection patch come with the kernel source? |
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| 00:35.13 | Nyle | jelly-home: unless you're a junkie |
| 00:35.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:35.50 | jelly-home | Nah, I get high on legal drugs like sugar, caffeine and that stuff in cocoa |
| 00:35.56 | jelly-home | theobromine? |
| 00:35.57 | Nyle | ahh yes |
| 00:35.59 | Nyle | I cut down |
| 00:36.03 | Nyle | wayyy down on the pottery |
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| 00:36.12 | Nyle | hell, even after Ramadan, I hardly smoked |
| 00:36.13 | simonrvn | theophiline, theobromine |
| 00:37.03 | simonrvn | those two are awful as isolates... they *induce* nausea |
| 00:37.38 | simonrvn | *cough* erowid.org *cough* |
| 00:37.45 | Nyle | yo |
| 00:38.53 | jazbo2185 | sauvin: do I just lsof /dev/dsp ? |
| 00:39.19 | sauvin | Yup! |
| 00:39.53 | jazbo2185 | sauvin: "lsof: status error on /dev/dsp: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:40.11 | sauvin | Erm... eh!? |
| 00:40.35 | sauvin | I don't remember ever having a linux that had no /dev/dsp |
| 00:40.40 | wols | jazbo2185: how about installing alsa? |
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| 00:40.51 | sauvin | No kidding. |
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| 00:41.20 | Nyle | wols: I had that driver compiled last night and everything, later I realized i did it on the wrong box |
| 00:41.21 | Nyle | :/ |
| 00:41.53 | wols | drugs and Computers just don't mix Nyle |
| 00:42.04 | Nyle | it was alcohol |
| 00:42.11 | Nyle | though still a drug |
| 00:42.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | still a drug |
| 00:42.21 | Nyle | when i'm stoned, I don't usually mess up |
| 00:42.27 | jazbo2185 | wols: hmm will look into that. For now, time to get ready for a halloween party.. |
| 00:42.30 | Nyle | in fact, I never really screw things up while stoned |
| 00:42.31 | jazbo2185 | thanks folks |
| 00:42.33 | Nyle | only when drunk |
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| 00:42.52 | user_ | hello |
| 00:43.15 | user_ | What's the login for the debian KDE4 live Cd ? |
| 00:43.28 | wols | user_: what debian live cd? |
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| 00:43.46 | user_ | The KDE4 live cd |
| 00:43.53 | wols | from where did you get that CD? |
| 00:44.00 | Nyle | debian doesn't have one of those |
| 00:44.05 | user_ | Really? |
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| 00:44.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 00:44.11 | user_ | google for debian KDE |
| 00:44.15 | user_ | KDE4 |
| 00:45.10 | xIke_ | any dpkg or apt-get pros? I broke both of them (yeah, I was impressed too) |
| 00:45.21 | wols | user_: learn to read |
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| 00:45.30 | wols | !tell xIke_ about errors |
| 00:45.43 | wols | user_: the url you downlaoded it from has the info |
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| 00:45.56 | user_ | I know I forgot it |
| 00:46.01 | xIke_ | wols, http://pastebin.com/m4866d1fe |
| 00:46.02 | wols | user_: debian has no live cd. this is an unofficial debian project |
| 00:46.12 | user_ | I downloaded it last night and didn't remember itt till just now |
| 00:46.16 | user_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.18 | user_ | >_< |
| 00:46.24 | user_ | No password |
| 00:46.39 | user_ | wols: Ok |
| 00:46.41 | wols | xIke_: it CLEARLY says what you have to do |
| 00:46.51 | wols | user_: you are on the internet right now. how about looking? |
| 00:46.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | xIke_, so same problem as before it seems |
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| 00:46.58 | xIke_ | wols, it would appear that way, wouldn't it? |
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| 00:47.13 | user_ | wols: suggest a nice cli web browser? |
| 00:47.21 | fundesktop | what's the simplest way to share files over the network? (debian PCs) |
| 00:47.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | user_, xlinks2 |
| 00:47.32 | xIke_ | Kamping_Kaiser, eh? |
| 00:47.34 | wols | links, lynx, w3m,... |
| 00:47.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, scp? |
| 00:47.43 | user_ | ok |
| 00:47.55 | wols | unisky-utf8: NFS |
| 00:47.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | xIke_, same problem as wehn you asked 30 ~ minutes ago. |
| 00:48.06 | xIke_ | Kamping_Kaiser, ah yes, it is... |
| 00:48.19 | jelly-home | wols: that nick completion was WAY off |
| 00:48.26 | wols | xIke_: where did you get the shitty kernel deb? |
| 00:48.26 | xIke_ | I'm still stumped |
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| 00:48.40 | xIke_ | wols, I used a stupid program called "kernelcheck" |
| 00:48.41 | wols | jelly-home: only a missing "f" |
| 00:48.41 | fundesktop | Kamping_Kaiser: hm, scp requires a ssh server? |
| 00:48.51 | jelly-home | wols: yeah, but it ended it tears |
| 00:48.52 | wols | fundesktop: yes |
| 00:49.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 00:49.08 | fundesktop | Kamping_Kaiser, wols: well that's not simple then |
| 00:49.14 | xIke_ | wols, it failed during compilation, and then decided to install the kernel anyway...I stopped it, which is no doubt why the package install is messed up |
| 00:49.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, matter of opinion |
| 00:49.25 | wols | fundesktop: you will need a server and a client both of some sort. deal with it |
| 00:49.31 | fundesktop | Kamping_Kaiser: you had to setup a ssh server first |
| 00:49.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, oh noes. i had to type 'apt-get install ssh' |
| 00:50.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | whole lot less config then samba+nfs |
| 00:50.13 | jelly-home | fundesktop: if installing extra packages is too complicated, then there's no simple solution |
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| 00:50.40 | fundesktop | Kamping_Kaiser: "apt-get install ssh" installs and setups an ssh server? I don't believe so |
| 00:50.48 | jelly-home | fundesktop: try it. |
| 00:51.01 | wols | fundesktop: your belief is not necessary for it to work. it just will do it |
| 00:51.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol. |
| 00:51.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, that almost deserves recording in a quotes db |
| 00:51.31 | fundesktop | bleh |
| 00:51.38 | fundesktop | I don't want to setup sshd |
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| 00:51.55 | wols | and I don't want my pony to shit on the floor |
| 00:52.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | rofl. |
| 00:52.06 | jelly-home | !pony wols |
| 00:52.08 | wols | neither will get our wish if you want to share files or me want my pony |
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| 00:52.25 | fundesktop | I'd rather like something where I can do "serv-whatever port path" on the server machine and "get-whatever host:port path" on the client |
| 00:52.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnome+kde both support ssh mounts |
| 00:52.57 | wols | fundesktop: install netcat |
| 00:53.01 | jelly-home | fundesktop: do you want to just copy files once, or to share a path? |
| 00:53.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc you can put sshfs+sftp in /etc/fstab |
| 00:53.18 | fundesktop | wols: indeed, netcat would be the thing I'd consider now |
| 00:53.29 | wols | then why did you bother us by asking? |
| 00:53.34 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: and configuring sshfs is probably more complicated than nfs :-| |
| 00:53.47 | wols | jelly-home: scratch the "probably" |
| 00:53.48 | fundesktop | jelly-home: a path, but of course, you just could pack a subdir into a single file... |
| 00:53.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, quite likely - i use sshd+gnome-vfs. :) |
| 00:54.01 | fundesktop | wols: netcat is a bit annoying for this use |
| 00:54.09 | wols | you are annoying too, still |
| 00:54.14 | jelly-home | fundesktop: then nfs, samba or sshfs is what you want |
| 00:54.18 | fundesktop | wols: I just asked a simple question |
| 00:54.20 | wols | "wash me but don't make me wet" |
| 00:54.30 | fundesktop | wols: if people asking questions annoy you what do you do here?? |
| 00:54.40 | wols | see above quote |
| 00:54.48 | jelly-home | fundesktop: none of those are trivial to set up, btw. |
| 00:54.51 | fundesktop | I'll use vsftpd then |
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| 00:55.09 | fundesktop | the config doesn't look too simple, but at least simpler than setting up a ssh server, lol |
| 00:55.15 | fundesktop | or a nfs server |
| 00:55.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | what a crazy world |
| 00:55.23 | fundesktop | samba... didn't think of that |
| 00:55.33 | jelly-home | yeah, because setting up an ssh server is really hard. |
| 00:55.56 | jelly-home | if you live in 1997. |
| 00:55.59 | fundesktop | jelly-home: so, how do you set up one if it's so easy? |
| 00:56.00 | Nyle | i need a kvm switch |
| 00:56.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, you were told above |
| 00:56.10 | Nyle | i have too many computers and not enough monitors here |
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| 00:56.23 | jelly-home | fundesktop: aptitude install ssh, and answer the questions sensibly. |
| 00:56.32 | fundesktop | ssh is already installed |
| 00:56.34 | Nyle | yeh you tell em |
| 00:56.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:56.44 | fundesktop | but no sshd running |
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| 00:56.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, aptitude asks questions? apt-get just installs the bugger |
| 00:56.51 | wols | Nyle: there is something cool called remote desktop tech |
| 00:57.01 | alaxK | Can i teoretically install a sarge package on etch ? |
| 00:57.08 | alaxK | Just 1 package, no depencies |
| 00:57.15 | wols | alaxK: most time it will work fine. what do you want to install? |
| 00:57.21 | Nyle | wols: yeh I got too much of that |
| 00:57.31 | jelly-home | fundesktop: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server then, I think |
| 00:57.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, try openssh-server instead of ssh |
| 00:57.39 | Nyle | wols: I'm just thinking out loud, after what happened last night |
| 00:57.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | or that ;) |
| 00:58.00 | wols | Nyle: you need a different kind of hardware: a new brain,:P |
| 00:58.09 | simonrvn | i need a kvm too |
| 00:58.18 | Keyse_Soze | yeh I think I've fried mine a bit |
| 00:58.24 | wols | take nyle's old brain instead. I heard it's cheap :) |
| 00:58.36 | fundesktop | jelly-home: didn't ask questions, output:Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. // OpenBSD Secure Shell server not in use (/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run). |
| 00:58.53 | simonrvn | so rm that file |
| 00:58.54 | jelly-home | fundesktop: wow. Can you infer something from that output? |
| 00:58.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, sure your running debian? |
| 00:58.57 | Keyse_Soze | I'm not any slower or stupider, I just forget things a lot and have become extremely absent minded |
| 00:59.00 | simonrvn | or reset debconf to low |
| 00:59.14 | simonrvn | that's an old ssh thing |
| 00:59.15 | fundesktop | okok |
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| 00:59.48 | Keyse_Soze | moving from 10mbps down to 728kbps down, from a 10min tops debian install I'm now at 40+minutes |
| 00:59.50 | jelly-home | fundesktop: say, are you running an older version of debian? |
| 01:00.02 | fundesktop | jelly-home: no, Debian unstable |
| 01:00.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | Give Me Novacaine! woot! (good track, sorry) |
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| 01:00.15 | fundesktop | jelly-home: the installation is 4 years old, though |
| 01:00.36 | jelly-home | fundesktop: that is really old, like 2-3 releases have happened since. |
| 01:00.49 | Keyse_Soze | hey I just screwed my sid system up last night after umm.. I dunno close to 5 years |
| 01:00.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats impressive |
| 01:01.04 | jelly-home | fundesktop: no wonder default suggestions don't correspond to your system |
| 01:01.08 | fundesktop | jelly-home: it's Debian unstable, only a few hours old |
| 01:01.21 | fundesktop | dist-upgraded all the time |
| 01:01.51 | Keyse_Soze | Mr. Powers' Faja |
| 01:01.55 | jelly-home | fundesktop: well, I haven't seen that sshd_not_to_be_run thing in a long time. Maybe woody or sarge. |
| 01:02.00 | Keyse_Soze | his what? his furgur? |
| 01:02.26 | Keyse_Soze | I dont speak freaky deaky dutch ya crazy bastard |
| 01:02.27 | fundesktop | jelly-home: does that mean on newer systems sshd is run by default? |
| 01:02.35 | Keyse_Soze | ahh boy |
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| 01:02.40 | guillaume1 | does some of you have problem with gnome-panels ? Mine generate bugreport when I use it |
| 01:02.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, it means that file doestn exist anymore - when you install sshd it starts |
| 01:02.51 | guillaume1 | under lenny |
| 01:02.59 | Keyse_Soze | hmm |
| 01:03.02 | Keyse_Soze | wasn't there... |
| 01:03.07 | Keyse_Soze | !info ssh |
| 01:03.12 | dpkg | ssh: (secure shell client and server (metapackage)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.6p1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 01:03.18 | jelly-home | fundesktop: right. there's a separate package for sshd now, if you install it, it works |
| 01:03.32 | Keyse_Soze | yeh, that one installs ssh server and all whatever |
| 01:03.49 | jelly-home | Keyse_Soze: that's the metapackage |
| 01:03.49 | fundesktop | so why was I told to install the package "ssh" first? :/ |
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| 01:04.05 | fundesktop | (since it only contains the client) |
| 01:04.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | fundesktop, it installs server+client. and its shorter then openssh-server :) |
| 01:04.15 | fundesktop | ok, I see |
| 01:04.21 | jelly-home | fundesktop: because ssh brings in both |
| 01:04.22 | Keyse_Soze | jelly-home: yes i know |
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| 01:04.29 | Keyse_Soze | hey jelly man well nm |
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| 01:05.14 | Keyse_Soze | hey I am doing this laptop install from scratch after many eyars and I don't know this. tasksel is running now, and do I want Laptop? what does that install? is it advised to install it now or later? |
| 01:05.40 | Keyse_Soze | I don't pick anything on tasksel but its mostly been desktops. |
| 01:07.29 | wols | Keyser_Soze: install it later |
| 01:07.38 | wols | you can run tasksel anytime you want |
| 01:07.49 | wols | and then you can also check which packages tasksel installs |
| 01:07.56 | Keyser_Soze | well |
| 01:08.02 | Keyser_Soze | yes I could. |
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| 01:08.49 | Keyser_Soze | wols: that is.. actually very sound advice |
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| 01:09.59 | netdaemon | alright this is kinda pissing me off...i have gnomevfs2-extra installed...i can access the windows shares manually, but i can't browse...this is all in nautilus |
| 01:10.01 | netdaemon | whats going on? |
| 01:10.09 | Keyser_Soze | oh man I think I got etch on this |
| 01:10.24 | Keyser_Soze | yup, its etch |
| 01:10.39 | wols | etch is good |
| 01:11.00 | Keyser_Soze | yes it is |
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| 01:17.42 | gimp__ | is there a difference between installing a kernel the "debian way" using sarge instructions/lenny instructions? |
| 01:17.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | huh? |
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| 01:18.46 | itchi | gimp__: Yes it is, the debian way keep it simple and stupid |
| 01:19.30 | streuner | gimp__: give us more details |
| 01:19.44 | wols | gimp__: there is only one way to install a kernel. from a .deb with dpkg or some apt |
| 01:20.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | gimp__, what release are you running? |
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| 01:20.59 | gimp__ | lenny |
| 01:21.15 | streuner | and whats the problem? |
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| 01:21.39 | gimp__ | there are a lot of ways to compile a kernel but i'm not sure which one to use |
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| 01:22.37 | Spiritus55 | I have a problem.. |
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| 01:22.46 | streuner_ | if you have to ask, just use an official kernel |
| 01:22.46 | Spiritus55 | My flash-player isn't working on iceweasel. |
| 01:22.47 | wols | gimp__:there is only one too. kernel-package (make-kpkg) |
| 01:23.05 | wols | !tell Spiritus55 about flash |
| 01:23.08 | Spiritus55 | I'm tried getting the new flash player, yes javascript is on, and I can't think of really anything else.. |
| 01:23.23 | itchi | gimp__: You may not choose a way at all. OR you may have a big reason. Anyway, the debian way is the way you may follow |
| 01:23.23 | wols | Spiritus55: how did you try to get it? |
| 01:23.33 | Spiritus55 | wols, get what? |
| 01:23.39 | Spiritus55 | I got a lot of packages using apt-get |
| 01:23.39 | wols | flashplayer |
| 01:23.53 | Spiritus55 | I got the non free, the normal, I reinstalled iceweasel. |
| 01:24.18 | wols | dpkg: are you sleeping? |
| 01:24.20 | Spiritus55 | When I opened up epiphany it's flashplayer didn't work either. |
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| 01:25.10 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 01:25.10 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:25.10 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:25.11 | gimp__ | dpkg: test |
| 01:25.11 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 01:25.29 | simonrvn | still connected to the rdbmsd |
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| 01:25.40 | itchi | Did you saw that *powers ? |
| 01:26.30 | itchi | Or is my client flashing :-s |
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| 01:26.40 | simonrvn | itchi: |
| 01:26.43 | simonrvn | now it is ;p |
| 01:27.04 | itchi | simonrvn: Did you do that? |
| 01:28.45 | simonrvn | http://sp-studio.de/ |
| 01:28.48 | simonrvn | itchi: yes |
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| 01:29.15 | itchi | simonrvn: Nah, about my irssi client i mean |
| 01:29.16 | Keyser_Soze | security.debian.org resolves and pings fine for me, however anytime I try to apt-get update, I get the following errors, |
| 01:29.16 | Keyser_Soze | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/non-free Sources |
| 01:29.16 | Keyser_Soze | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.35 | Keyser_Soze | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:29.37 | wols | non-free security updates? |
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| 01:29.46 | triplc | hi all |
| 01:29.48 | Spiritus55 | wols, Yeah.. it says that that's already the newest version.. |
| 01:29.55 | itchi | simonrvn: It have typed some stuff. I can't believe i'm that tired heh |
| 01:30.18 | wols | Spiritus55: there is no (working) flashplayer in etch. or at least one with an actively exploited secruity hole |
| 01:30.21 | wols | get it from backprots |
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| 01:30.34 | Spiritus55 | wols, how do you suggest I do that? |
| 01:30.50 | Keyser_Soze | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages |
| 01:30.50 | Keyser_Soze | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.55 | Keyser_Soze | same thing with main |
| 01:31.10 | Keyser_Soze | i can resolve/ping it and it seems to be ok |
| 01:31.12 | triplc | how to "un-mute" the mic? i install skype but only can hear, no talk... i checked ... and think that it's because the mic is somehow muted... (it was ok to talk in the past). pls tell me how to make sure the mic is select and unmuted? |
| 01:31.15 | Keyser_Soze | but just not with apt |
| 01:31.31 | jelly-home | triplc: try alsamixer |
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| 01:31.34 | karmatronic | triplc: with alsamixer |
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| 01:31.42 | itchi | Keyser_Soze: Is the /etc/apt/sources.list been right? |
| 01:31.51 | karmatronic | triplc: using m key in the mic column |
| 01:31.53 | Keyser_Soze | itchi: yes I just pasted what my entry looked like |
| 01:31.56 | Keyser_Soze | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:32.00 | internat2 | this might be a stupid question.. but if i was testing a java application and i wanted to be notified if it ever exited. could i go javacommandto run; mail -s "exited" user@domain.com |
| 01:32.08 | Keyser_Soze | minus the contrib non-free part |
| 01:32.11 | triplc | karmatronic: thanks |
| 01:32.13 | Keyser_Soze | I dunno why that was tacked on |
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| 01:33.08 | itchi | jelly-home: ow, screen was duplicated :-p |
| 01:33.20 | n3kl_ | I want to make sure I am reading the output of diff correctly. the < would mean the first file specified, correct? |
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| 01:33.30 | itchi | jelly-home: I'm tired :-) |
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| 01:33.55 | jelly-home | itchi: bed is that way --> |
| 01:34.50 | Spiritus55 | wols, would you happen to know the url for a flashplayer for etch off of backports? |
| 01:35.00 | itchi | jelly-home: That's the direction of the door here :-) |
| 01:35.09 | Keyser_Soze | !bcm43xx |
| 01:35.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net |
| 01:35.15 | itchi | jelly-home: 02:42 right now |
| 01:35.21 | ziyax | hi any1 getting mod_mem_cache error on etch package? |
| 01:35.37 | jelly-home | itchi: your clock is also off. it's only 02:35 |
| 01:35.38 | ziyax | (for apache2) |
| 01:35.53 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah, new computer, his kinda fast :-p |
| 01:36.06 | jelly-home | itchi: /msg dpkg adjtime :-) |
| 01:36.10 | wols | Spiritus55: yes |
| 01:36.21 | Spiritus55 | wols, and it is? |
| 01:36.27 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah, gona install the ntpdate or what was it again |
| 01:36.32 | wols | backports.org |
| 01:36.43 | wols | Spiritus55: is it too hard to enter a word ina from? |
| 01:36.45 | wols | *form |
| 01:36.53 | Spiritus55 | wols, I don't see search.. |
| 01:37.02 | wols | go to "packages" |
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| 01:37.50 | Spiritus55 | mmk |
| 01:39.06 | obnauticus | Do you have to pay to send SMS text messages through the internet, because I have seen like people setup SMS gateways and such. |
| 01:39.20 | itchi | jelly-home: I will have 5 minutes retard now each morning :-p |
| 01:39.22 | obnauticus | Because I want to integrate SMS notifications on my webserver foru sers |
| 01:39.24 | obnauticus | and stuff. |
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| 01:40.40 | jelly-home | itchi: I will refrain from the obvious joke here since it's rather insulting. :-) |
| 01:41.09 | wols | obnauticus: depends. not final answer possible. also: how is this debian related? |
| 01:41.20 | obnauticus | It's being put on Debian. |
| 01:41.26 | karmatronic | obnauticus: would be cool,but that s not realy a computer issue |
| 01:41.28 | wols | it's still not debian related |
| 01:41.34 | itchi | jelly-home: "retard"? |
| 01:41.34 | obnauticus | I know :/ |
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| 01:41.37 | obnauticus | I just want an answer. |
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| 01:41.48 | itchi | jelly-home: It's not like in french then :-s |
| 01:41.50 | wols | obnauticus: yes |
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| 01:41.58 | obnauticus | Can you tell me what the daemon is called :/ |
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| 01:42.00 | obnauticus | that's all. |
| 01:42.09 | wols | what daemon? |
| 01:42.25 | obnauticus | To run send SMS text messages through the internet |
| 01:42.33 | wols | does not exist |
| 01:42.35 | karmatronic | obnauticus: we dont know , let us know when you find out |
| 01:42.38 | wols | you don't use a daemon to send a SMS |
| 01:42.56 | jelly-home | obnauticus: some (all?) mobile providers have their own email2sms gateway, so for those you can just send mail. |
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| 01:43.02 | obnauticus | :/ |
| 01:43.31 | obnauticus | oh that's right |
| 01:43.34 | obnauticus | all it is is email2sms |
| 01:43.36 | jelly-home | obnauticus: or you can attach a phone to the machine and send sms thru that |
| 01:43.37 | karmatronic | obnauticus: alamin-server ? |
| 01:43.48 | wols | !tell obnauticus about search |
| 01:43.57 | obnauticus | ...dick. |
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| 01:44.24 | wols | obnauticus: that will really mke people like you I'm sure |
| 01:44.57 | obnauticus | im just jokin |
| 01:45.21 | jelly-home | not funny. |
| 01:45.38 | itchi | at all |
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| 01:46.00 | Spiritus55 | wols, thanks a lot it's fixed. |
| 01:46.21 | Spiritus55 | wols, and I'm really truly greatful because I've been without my flashplayer for 2 weeks now. |
| 01:46.22 | jelly-home | disrespectful for all the Richards around here |
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| 01:46.54 | xacier | how do i sychn the most accurate? |
| 01:46.56 | xacier | time |
| 01:46.57 | hitbox|afk | daws? |
| 01:47.03 | wols | xacier: ntpd |
| 01:47.08 | jelly-home | chrony! |
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| 01:47.39 | xacier | is that the package name? |
| 01:48.02 | xIke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.12 | itchi | xIke_: s/d// |
| 01:48.22 | xIke_ | itchi, come again? |
| 01:48.26 | xacier | what is the package name for ntpd? |
| 01:48.28 | xacier | ntp? |
| 01:48.35 | itchi | bah, xacier ^ |
| 01:48.50 | itchi | xacier: yes |
| 01:48.55 | wols | xIke_: yes by uninstalling or editing the DB (dangerous) |
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| 01:49.52 | xIke_ | wols, I guess that's what I've come to now...haven't found any other solutions that work |
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| 01:51.01 | jelly-home | xIke_: what are you trying to do that requires dpkg "forgetting" an app? |
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| 01:51.36 | jelly-home | a package, I mean |
| 01:51.40 | wols | jelly-home: bothced install of a package |
| 01:51.54 | jelly-home | just install again? |
| 01:51.54 | wols | a non debian one |
| 01:51.54 | xIke_ | jelly-home, a bad .deb started to install a corrupt kernel, and I killed it right away...now every time I run apt-get and dpkg, they ask me to reinstall that deb |
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| 01:52.25 | wols | why can't you do it? |
| 01:52.40 | xIke_ | do what? |
| 01:52.44 | jelly-home | xIke_: a custom package? .deb from debian shouldn't be "bad" for the system |
| 01:53.07 | haggz | jelly-home: it was generated by a 3rd party script, was NOT a debian package, i've been following this saga for awhile |
| 01:53.09 | xIke_ | jelly-home, it's a deb that an app called "kernelcheck" made...not from debian |
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| 01:53.46 | wols | ah, a ubuntu thing |
| 01:53.52 | jelly-home | xIke_: great. well, mess with /v/l/d/status then :-| |
| 01:53.55 | wols | xIke_: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 01:54.41 | jelly-home | wols: how do you figure it's an ubuntu thing? |
| 01:55.08 | itchi | jelly-home: Only Ubuntu stuff works badly :-p |
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| 01:55.20 | jelly-home | itchi: that's dangerous nonsense |
| 01:55.41 | xIke_ | got it...finally: sudo dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r linux-image-2.6.23.1 |
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| 01:55.49 | ziyax | !paste |
| 01:55.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:56.18 | jelly-home | xIke_: sudo? |
| 01:56.41 | xIke_ | jelly-home, eh? |
| 01:56.58 | jelly-home | xIke_: nothing, just that line _is_ an ubuntuism. :-) |
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| 01:57.17 | xIke_ | jelly-home, because I used sudo? |
| 01:57.30 | xIke_ | nothing seems ubuntu-esque |
| 01:57.30 | jelly-home | xIke_: right. Debian doesn't have sudo by default |
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| 01:57.44 | xIke_ | lol |
| 01:57.49 | jelly-home | and of course you're going to run dpkg -r or -i as root |
| 01:58.05 | xIke_ | I have no idea what the joke is |
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| 01:58.07 | wols | jelly-home: a) it creates debs so it must be debian based b) google "kernelcheck" |
| 01:58.31 | xIke_ | I have no idea what's going on |
| 01:58.41 | wols | xIke_: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 01:58.45 | wols | what version? |
| 01:58.49 | haggz | xlke_: you just got mildly busted, don't worry about it too much :p |
| 01:58.57 | jelly-home | wols: alien or installwatch also do a) and they're not ubuntu's. b) I did. |
| 01:59.00 | xIke_ | haggz, I'd like to at least understand the joke :( |
| 01:59.35 | wols | jelly-home: only debian based things create directly debs from source |
| 01:59.52 | xIke_ | jelly-home, insults don't count if they don't make sense |
| 01:59.58 | wols | any other kind of distro would create rpm or such |
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| 02:00.20 | wols | xIke_: can you finaally tell me what the dpkg -l command gives you please? |
| 02:00.43 | jelly-home | xIke_: I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that referring to an idiom as ubuntuism was regarded as insult |
| 02:00.55 | xIke_ | wols, ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 02:01.03 | jelly-home | !win wols |
| 02:01.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 02:01.18 | wols | xIke_: no read the topic and go back to #ubuntu |
| 02:01.27 | wols | s/no/now |
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| 02:01.37 | xIke_ | jelly-home, haggz said it was....anyway, I really what to know..what about that line makes you think ubuntu? seems non-specific |
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| 02:01.58 | wols | 2.6.1-1ubuntu9 iis very non-specific you're right |
| 02:02.04 | haggz | xlke_: i did NOT say that you had been insulted, i just meant that people had figured out you were using ubuntu |
| 02:02.16 | jelly-home | xIke_: doing sudo foo, when foo only makes sense as root is rather ubuntuish |
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| 02:02.37 | wols | haggz: instead we have been insulted |
| 02:02.41 | xIke_ | haggz, ah, by busted you mean caught using ubuntu? I thought you meanted busted as some new kid slang for "punked", etc. |
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| 02:03.12 | xIke_ | jelly-home, so using sudo where I have to use sudo is weird? |
| 02:03.28 | jelly-home | xIke_: you don't have to. |
| 02:03.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | pity i cant remember all hte nics of people trying to pass off as debian running ubuntu. |
| 02:03.37 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 02:03.44 | wols | xIke_: you are very OT: do you have a debian question? |
| 02:03.45 | h3sp4wn | xIke_: Not particularly (I have used sudo in that way for 8 years or so) |
| 02:03.46 | haggz | wols: please, I don't think anyone has actually been insulted :( but xlke_: please use #ubuntu for ubuntu support, or install debian |
| 02:03.47 | nomasteryoda | using sidux here |
| 02:03.55 | xIke_ | wols OT? |
| 02:03.57 | jelly-home | xIke_: you only _have to_ use it in ubuntu, hence, that is an ubuntuism. |
| 02:04.01 | nomasteryoda | have ubuntu on another partition |
| 02:04.04 | wols | xIke_: we don't support ubuntu |
| 02:04.23 | wols | nomasteryoda: good to know. so why are you here? |
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| 02:04.27 | nomasteryoda | needed a newer kernel... using 2.6.23.1-slh-smp-19 #1 SMP |
| 02:04.33 | nomasteryoda | err, it is debian |
| 02:04.38 | nomasteryoda | not ubuntu |
| 02:04.39 | wols | nomasteryoda: no it is not. |
| 02:04.41 | wols | !sidux |
| 02:04.42 | dpkg | i heard sidux is a GNU/Linux Live CD distribution based on Debian's <unstable> branch. Go /join #sidux @ irc.oftc.net. See also <based on Debian caveats>. |
| 02:04.43 | simonrvn | no it isn't |
| 02:04.46 | nomasteryoda | ok |
| 02:04.49 | h3sp4wn | nomasteryoda: probably a bad idea to say that (even though it is to all intents and purposes 100% sid) |
| 02:04.54 | xIke_ | jelly-home, you mean if you run dpkg it automatically asks you for sudo password? no need to run it as sudo? |
| 02:05.00 | jelly-home | xIke_: eg. I wouldn't tell someone to "sudo adduser username fuse", since you have to be root to do adduser anyway. |
| 02:05.12 | wols | h3sp4wn: if it were sid it would be called debian and not sidux. QED |
| 02:05.12 | nomasteryoda | its working and thats all that matters |
| 02:05.17 | jelly-home | xIke_: no dude, you can be root. |
| 02:05.22 | nomasteryoda | but i also have debian etch on another partition |
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| 02:05.30 | xIke_ | jelly-home, lol |
| 02:05.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | xIke_, this is ot here |
| 02:05.44 | xIke_ | Kamping_Kaiser, ot? |
| 02:05.49 | wols | xIke_: off topic |
| 02:05.52 | h3sp4wn | wols: You can run debsums on it and its clean |
| 02:06.02 | wols | xIke_: go back to #ubuntu. jelly-home please ignore him |
| 02:06.11 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: so you ve got 50% of your machine working well , and halt part screwed :) |
| 02:06.19 | karmatronic | half |
| 02:06.21 | simonrvn | "Life's Short, Pow-wow Hard!" |
| 02:06.28 | wols | h3sp4wn: then why is it called sidux? |
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| 02:06.31 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 02:06.58 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: just joking ,ubuntu s ok |
| 02:06.59 | jelly-home | wols: I will. Well, differences between Debian and something else are borderline topical. O:-) |
| 02:07.00 | nomasteryoda | sound, video, network... hmm, so far i'm happy |
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| 02:07.17 | wols | jelly-home: no. it has no bearing on supporting debian |
| 02:07.21 | simonrvn | s,O,>, |
| 02:07.26 | h3sp4wn | wols: Actually it uses a different kernel - well the people who make it think this channel is crap for support of sid (a position I definately don't agree with) |
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| 02:07.42 | wols | h3sp4wn: I do. see the unstable factoid :P |
| 02:07.46 | nomasteryoda | wow |
| 02:07.47 | nomasteryoda | ok |
| 02:08.07 | xIke_ | :( and I wanted to learn. where is that topical since it clearly won't belong in ubuntu either since it's about debian... |
| 02:08.10 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: i cant stand dual boot though |
| 02:08.44 | jelly-home | xIke_: it will belong there, since that's where you should look for support for your distro |
| 02:08.49 | nomasteryoda | well, see ... i need some support from the newer kernel... and i'm too lazy to build that myself... so this is an option to see if i can even get close |
| 02:08.55 | nomasteryoda | to the features i want |
| 02:09.09 | nomasteryoda | if not, i wipe with gentoo |
| 02:09.10 | xIke_ | jelly-home, and If I want to learn about your distro...? |
| 02:09.17 | jelly-home | xIke_: install it. |
| 02:09.19 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: what features are you looking for ? |
| 02:09.44 | h3sp4wn | wols: well maybe it doesn't bother me either way (my (non sidux) sid doesn't break) |
| 02:09.44 | jelly-home | xIke_: this is a support channel, not really general debian chat. |
| 02:09.45 | xIke_ | jelly-home, and then all this "we don't use sudo, that's for newbies" stuff will make sense? |
| 02:09.53 | xIke_ | jelly-home, is there a general debian chat? |
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| 02:10.08 | jelly-home | xIke_: no idea |
| 02:10.17 | xIke_ | jelly-home, I've just been told I don't understand something, and would like to be pointed to where I can learn about it |
| 02:10.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian-offtopic |
| 02:10.24 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: if you feel like compiling all the time, and loose every form of social life,gentoo is definitely your bet |
| 02:10.29 | simonrvn | h3sp4wn: just little things like AliasMatch in apache don't work, but that's been the case in a while.. |
| 02:10.30 | nomasteryoda | proper bluetooth support for my motorola HT820... I have it working in ubuntu with a2dpd, but that is not supported anymore... pulseaudio is working better from what I've seen and i should be able to install it here |
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| 02:10.46 | simonrvn | s,in a,for a, |
| 02:11.03 | wols | h3sp4wn: mines sometimes does. PEBCAK is a wonderful thing |
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| 02:11.18 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: bluetooth works out of the box... |
| 02:11.41 | nomasteryoda | karmatronic: i agreee there... was going to install sabayon as another test |
| 02:11.46 | nomasteryoda | karmatronic: yes |
| 02:12.13 | nomasteryoda | just need the right stuff... discussed with dev on pulseaudio mail list today |
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| 02:12.27 | nomasteryoda | for stereo on this headset |
| 02:12.54 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: pulseaudio , that s an audio server,right ? |
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| 02:13.18 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: so your HT820 is an headset right ? |
| 02:13.51 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: I don't run apache on sid (cannot imagine why I would want to either really) |
| 02:14.12 | simonrvn | dev |
| 02:14.26 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: i ve always wanted to be able to make my cell phone behave as an headset , and have linux send it music ... |
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| 02:14.55 | h3sp4wn | simonrvn: development of apache itself ? (or applications using it ?) |
| 02:15.36 | simonrvn | apps using/depending on it |
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| 02:16.59 | h3sp4wn | I still use apache 1.3 never had a reason to change |
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| 02:17.16 | nomasteryoda | karmatronic: if the phone is unlocked, sure you can do that... i found that sprint supports that with samsung phones... but i use verizon... locked down tight... and phone only supports the headset feature |
| 02:17.20 | nomasteryoda | sux |
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| 02:20.03 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: how do you use this a2pd thing ? |
| 02:20.04 | gnubien | hi, need the full path to dpkg binary: which dkpg |
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| 02:20.16 | xIke_ | hi all, the debian-offtopic guys said I should ask this here... I was wondering how sudo works in debian. like, say I want to run dpkg... how would I do that as a super user? |
| 02:21.01 | karmatronic | xIke_: sudo works the same with every distrib |
| 02:21.09 | simonrvn | gnubien: and it doesn't work for you...? o_O |
| 02:21.33 | simonrvn | xIke_: sudo isn't the super-user, root is |
| 02:21.38 | gnubien | simonrvn: i'm writting a bash script and dont have debian running now |
| 02:21.42 | nomasteryoda | karmatronic: after pairing, with bluetooth-alsa pkg installed... then configure asoundrc and make a ~/a2dpdrc ... then call it as root... which I was tryign to gete around with pulse... |
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| 02:22.11 | simonrvn | xIke_: sudo allows you to run applications *as* the super-user, but you don't su with sudo (ordinarily) |
| 02:22.26 | jelly-home | gnubien: it should be in the path by default, it's in /usr/bin |
| 02:22.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnubien, /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 02:22.36 | karmatronic | nomasteryoda: you first pair it with rfcomm -9 |
| 02:22.38 | nomasteryoda | karmatronic: root or sudo ..... i use kdesu on my ubuntu box to call the line up... its a2dpd -g -v -o -f ~/.a2dpdrc |
| 02:22.46 | gnubien | thanks jelly-home and Kamping_Kaiser |
| 02:22.51 | simonrvn | gnubien: so you go to packages.debian.org to find it, but i'll give you a freebie, it's in /usr/bin |
| 02:22.52 | nomasteryoda | i have not done that.. .but i could |
| 02:22.59 | xIke_ | simonrvn, I thought sudo meant "super user do" so a command run by it is the same as logging in as super user and doing that command |
| 02:23.03 | gnubien | simonrvn: thanks |
| 02:23.15 | simonrvn | xIke_: yes, "super user do" a command |
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| 02:23.57 | xIke_ | simonrvn, so if I want to run a command as super user in debian, it's just like any other distrib? I just do sudo <command>? |
| 02:24.01 | simonrvn | xIke_: yes, but you don't su - root (to root). different, because sudo can be configured to disallow certain (or all) things |
| 02:24.16 | simonrvn | man sudo |
| 02:24.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | ad man su |
| 02:24.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | for context ;) |
| 02:24.36 | simonrvn | yeh, good idea, read that too |
| 02:24.47 | karmatronic | xIke_: the difference with ubuntu is that you would have to set manually etc/sudoers with something like visudo |
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| 02:24.59 | simonrvn | karmatronic: er what? |
| 02:25.07 | simonrvn | !visudo |
| 02:25.08 | dpkg | well, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
| 02:25.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/ubuntu/debian? |
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| 02:25.26 | simonrvn | !sudoers |
| 02:25.27 | dpkg | i guess sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
| 02:25.27 | h3sp4wn | the stupid thing about visudo is by default in debian it calls up nano |
| 02:25.50 | hardcampa | well it's noobified |
| 02:25.51 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: it calls whatever your $EDITOR is set as, afair |
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| 02:25.59 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: yeah .. but it does other stuff |
| 02:26.08 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yes, or alternatives' |
| 02:26.13 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: yeah but the default still shouldn't be nano |
| 02:26.26 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: why not? |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: it's whatever the editor is set to in alternatives |
| 02:26.30 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: dont like nano ? prefer mousepad :) ? |
| 02:26.41 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: or joe |
| 02:26.47 | jelly-home | "ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR" :-) |
| 02:26.48 | wols | nano is a good editors. drives less newbies to premature insanity |
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| 02:27.07 | h3sp4wn | some vi would be fine |
| 02:27.15 | h3sp4wn | nvi or whatever |
| 02:27.18 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: configureit. |
| 02:27.19 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: vim yes |
| 02:27.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, inmy experiance tehy dont bother reading the help at the bottom of the screen, and dont get it just as much as vi ;( |
| 02:27.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | h3sp4wn, vile? :D |
| 02:28.03 | h3sp4wn | Kamping_Kaiser: zile is ok (and nice and small) |
| 02:28.04 | jelly-home | !stop an editor war |
| 02:28.07 | wols | h3sp4wn: in sarge or woody it was vim-tiny IIRC |
| 02:28.27 | h3sp4wn | wols: That is pretty sensible |
| 02:28.37 | simonrvn | woody |
| 02:28.46 | wols | h3sp4wn: no it is not |
| 02:28.52 | jimlocker | what happens that's so bad when you switch between apt-get any aptitude? |
| 02:28.57 | wols | and mind you: I do use vim by default |
| 02:29.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | jimlocker, your computer gets eaten by vultures |
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| 02:29.19 | wols | jimlocker: aptitudes auto-remove feature gets badly broken |
| 02:29.21 | jelly-home | jimlocker: apt-get up until very recently didn't track automatically installed packages |
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| 02:29.46 | h3sp4wn | wols: Its exactly what you would get anywhere else |
| 02:29.59 | h3sp4wn | wols: bsd , solaris etc |
| 02:30.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | vim-[minimal,tiny] are evil |
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| 02:30.16 | wols | h3sp4wn: with that reasoning we should all use ed |
| 02:30.23 | jimlocker | I'm trying to just install xine-ui and it's trying to drag in a bunch of gnome crap |
| 02:30.25 | wols | cause then you could even feel at home on a PDP10 |
| 02:30.29 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I think vi is bad for noobs, and I think I'm not alone in that opinion. |
| 02:30.51 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: also, vi is overblown, and we all know what's the standard unix editor. |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | !depends xine-ui etch |
| 02:31.01 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: It was the first text editor I ever used |
| 02:31.04 | dpkg | xine-ui: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta9-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcucul0 (>= 0.99.beta9-1), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.15.5-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libx11-6, libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxine1 (>= 1.1.2-5), libxinerama1, libxtst6, libxv1, libxxf86vm1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 02:31.33 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: yeah, that's an objective way to choose the default for everyone else |
| 02:31.58 | h3sp4wn | Kamping_Kaiser: Why ? better to get into the habit of using hjkl instead of the arrows etc |
| 02:32.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | h3sp4wn, it acts nothing like a full vim perhaps? |
| 02:32.28 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: you never know when you might find yourself in front of a keyboard without cursor keys! |
| 02:32.55 | jimlocker | !depends xine-ui sid |
| 02:32.59 | dpkg | xine-ui: depends on libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta11-1), libcucul0 (>= 0.99.beta11-1), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libx11-6, libxext6, libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxine1 (>= 1.1.4), libxinerama1, libxtst6, libxv1, libxxf86vm1, libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 02:33.06 | jimlocker | not much different |
| 02:33.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, i find that occasionally. and my brain hurts as i remember vi navigation. the finters i think should be up/down are always oposite to vi[m]s opinion |
| 02:34.00 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: it's visually mnemonic :) |
| 02:34.12 | \amethyst | but that doesn't help the fingers |
| 02:34.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, er, right... i'll smile and nod :P (whats mnemonic?) |
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| 02:34.30 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: 'mnemonic' = 'memory hint' |
| 02:34.37 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: j has a descender, k has an ascender |
| 02:34.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry, but i dont get it :| |
| 02:35.06 | xIke_ | hey guys, thanks for all the help, I appreciate it. |
| 02:35.22 | jelly-home | \amethyst: my key caps are not in Garamond typeface, all the letters are inside the vertical |
| 02:35.38 | \amethyst | jelly-home: lowercase :) |
| 02:35.52 | jelly-home | \amethyst: they're not lowercase either :-) |
| 02:35.59 | jelly-home | but they should be :-) |
| 02:36.32 | jimlocker | I'm getting stuff in there like gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data gnome-mount libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libgnome2-0 and so on |
| 02:36.34 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: chances are any book that you read prior to starting to use the system will explain vi at least (right I will drop this now - I just don't think avoiding vi does anyone any favours really) |
| 02:36.47 | jimlocker | i thougth xine-ui was a standalone x11 thing |
| 02:36.59 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: "j" goes below the text baseline, so it means down. "k" goes above the mean line (it's taller than most lowercase letters), so it means up |
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| 02:37.16 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: j sticks down, k sticks up |
| 02:37.28 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I've survived without it for 15 years, use it only when I absolutely need to (ie. a clean commerical unix system) |
| 02:37.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, oh... wonder if i can remember that |
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| 02:37.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | cos thats cool |
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| 02:39.52 | xacier | any good place to get some qemu disk image? |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | don't they have them at the qemu website? |
| 02:40.42 | xacier | errrmmm only couple |
| 02:40.50 | xacier | i wanna try solaris |
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| 02:41.13 | karmatronic | xacier: good luck :) |
| 02:41.45 | jelly-home | xacier: you could just take some cd images and install, or use a livecd distro |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | xacier: you'd have to do that yoursefl |
| 02:42.09 | jelly-home | I think Schillig's brand had a livecd |
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| 02:43.11 | h3sp4wn | xacier: better work out how to use vi first (or vim-tiny) |
| 02:43.19 | karmatronic | xacier: a lot of solaris features are hardware-related anyway , so you wont have a chance to see them only with qemu or vmware |
| 02:43.29 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: :) |
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| 02:43.50 | jelly-home | xacier: Schillix it was called. |
| 02:44.12 | xacier | errmmmm i am downloading the developer preview |
| 02:44.21 | xacier | one cd with live/install |
| 02:44.23 | jelly-home | xacier: you might also try to find vmware player images and try to convert them |
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| 02:45.18 | xacier | jeeez will it run on a pentium2 450? |
| 02:45.34 | h3sp4wn | xacier: how much ram ? |
| 02:45.44 | xacier | even if i install it nakedly on the pentium2 it ain't gonna run |
| 02:46.01 | xacier | i am trying to do it on qemu |
| 02:46.36 | xacier | ah well forget it, i know it won't run on pent2 with 256 ram |
| 02:46.46 | xacier | it might crawl |
| 02:46.48 | xacier | LOL |
| 02:47.12 | jelly-home | xacier: the livecd could work reasonably well on the real hardware |
| 02:47.15 | h3sp4wn | maybe the text installer would work (from e.g SXDE) |
| 02:47.20 | ziyax | Is there way to install specific packages of lenny to etch? |
| 02:47.37 | h3sp4wn | the normal graphical installer needs 768 on its own |
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| 02:48.27 | xacier | can |
| 02:48.33 | karmatronic | ziyax: edit your sources.list to add sources for lenny , then apt-get update , install desired packaes , and quit the lines in sources.list, and apt-get update.be warned though that you shouldnt do that.It s risky |
| 02:48.34 | dserban | I'm a touch lost as to why my cron jobs don't execute. The logs show that cron is being called successfully for the hourly/daily/weekly/monthly jobs. All good and fine. But, my logs don't rotate at all. They haven't for over a month and I can't understand why logrotate isn't being called. (It is, but nothing comes of it). Can you suggest a place I can look at for clues? I've looked in all the cron.whatever files and dirs under |
| 02:48.34 | dserban | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.40 | xacier | can't people make os smaller and faster and better |
| 02:49.02 | jelly-home | ziyax: in general you don't want to do that if you want to keep your installation on stable, as installing packages from testing will pull in extra dependencies (like newer libc6, which makes your system effectively testing) |
| 02:49.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol "freeciv: Freeciv is tip to tail braindamaged and harms young hackers." classic |
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| 02:49.23 | xacier | current osss are like feeding a fat dude with pork meat every meal |
| 02:49.33 | jbm | mmm. pork. |
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| 02:49.45 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 02:49.51 | h3sp4wn | xacier: freebsd is not |
| 02:49.54 | jelly-home | ziyax: look at backports.org for the packages you need, or you can try doing a backport yourself, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:49.55 | karmatronic | xacier: dont know , but they can obviously make them worse and bigger and slower |
| 02:49.56 | lindenle | anyone know of a good tool for keeping track of a digital library of papers, compatability with bibtex would be a bonus. |
| 02:49.59 | xacier | freebsd is too |
| 02:50.02 | ziyax | hm ty |
| 02:50.11 | xacier | man i was using it couple hours ago |
| 02:50.21 | h3sp4wn | xacier: It can install on 32MB |
| 02:50.27 | xacier | of course if you only use prompt with no gui |
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| 02:50.45 | jelly-home | ziyax: if it's your personal desktop, chances are testing will work well enough for you. |
| 02:50.51 | karmatronic | xacier: GUI for install sux |
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| 02:50.55 | jbm | lindenle: no but please let me know if you find one, that would be useful. and i'd consider writing one if there isn't one available, i could use an interesting project. |
| 02:50.57 | karmatronic | xacier: curses will always rule |
| 02:50.58 | h3sp4wn | possibly even 16 |
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| 02:51.09 | xacier | well that is xorg's problem |
| 02:51.49 | lindenle | jbm: I am really jealous of the mac guys in my lab |
| 02:51.55 | jbm | what do they use? |
| 02:51.57 | lindenle | jbm: have you seen "Papers"? |
| 02:52.02 | jbm | no, /me looks |
| 02:52.34 | lindenle | I am sooooo jealous |
| 02:52.48 | jbm | neat. |
| 02:53.25 | karmatronic | lindenle: what s paper ? |
| 02:54.09 | lindenle | http://mekentosj.com/papers/ |
| 02:54.43 | jbm | i should get a mac. |
| 02:54.50 | haggz | ahh, its a coping strategy for us arxiv addicts, i see |
| 02:54.50 | jbm | maybe a mini. |
| 02:55.09 | lindenle | haggz: yeah I know |
| 02:55.12 | jelly-home | specialized search enjin? |
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| 02:55.47 | lindenle | thw nice part is it puts the pdf on your lappy so when you are on a "plane" |
| 02:55.56 | lindenle | or on the way back from skiing you can read them |
| 02:56.19 | lindenle | anyway I wish "WE" had something like that in linux |
| 02:56.35 | lindenle | actually jbm I would like to work on it it too but i have no time |
| 02:56.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | i want to file a bug on freeciv, but bugbuddy doesnt list it - do i need to use a different tool to file the bug? |
| 02:56.51 | lindenle | but I do have a framework from a buddy in python for just such an app |
| 02:56.57 | lindenle | if you want the code |
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| 02:57.48 | jelly-home | next thing someone's going to write a MacOS X ABI reimplementation like Wine |
| 02:58.11 | lindenle | ha ha please noooooo!!!! I already have to us Fing PPT on myt beautiful debian sys |
| 02:58.34 | lindenle | best thing was watching IE7 crash on web pages....i.e. not b/c of wine |
| 02:58.49 | jelly-home | crossover office is nicely integrated. |
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| 02:59.02 | lindenle | yes |
| 02:59.05 | lindenle | I like it |
| 02:59.14 | lindenle | bought a license for the whole lab |
| 02:59.19 | jelly-home | well worth the monies, IME |
| 02:59.26 | lindenle | absolutely |
| 02:59.56 | lindenle | im sad that no one knows of any app like this |
| 02:59.56 | Nyle | !bcm43xx |
| 02:59.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net |
| 03:00.06 | Nyle | alcohol and fatty foots don't mnix |
| 03:00.08 | Nyle | ow. |
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| 03:00.41 | jelly-home | Nyle: don't pour alcohol on your girlfriend's feet! |
| 03:00.50 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:00.52 | Nyle | I mean fatty foods |
| 03:00.55 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:01.06 | jelly-home | that's not nearly as interesting |
| 03:01.12 | Nyle | otherwise don't you think I would have said feet |
| 03:01.29 | Nyle | even though english isn't my native languge, I'm not that bad :) |
| 03:01.31 | jelly-home | I take the fifth |
| 03:01.50 | Nyle | I got an A in gov. class on the bill of rights |
| 03:02.35 | lindenle | if only the natural born citizens could claim that we might be better off |
| 03:02.39 | jelly-home | ah, you got to be greater American than the natives? |
| 03:02.53 | lindenle | Natives? |
| 03:02.58 | Nyle | I'm indian |
| 03:03.03 | Nyle | but not native american |
| 03:03.05 | lindenle | what Naives? |
| 03:03.12 | Nyle | simonrvn is native |
| 03:03.12 | lindenle | oops typo |
| 03:03.13 | jelly-home | I mean, people born in US, not native american |
| 03:03.22 | lindenle | yeah i know wa just bustin balls |
| 03:03.26 | Nyle | oh you mean natural citizens |
| 03:03.34 | lindenle | Nyle: IM going to Mumbai and Jaipur in Feb |
| 03:03.35 | jelly-home | that. |
| 03:03.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, reportbug. nice tool |
| 03:03.48 | Nyle | lindenle: great |
| 03:03.58 | lindenle | im a "people born in U.S." |
| 03:04.00 | Nyle | don't drink anything but bottled water |
| 03:04.05 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: and just when you thought it can't get better, reportbug-ng! |
| 03:04.06 | lindenle | thanks ;) |
| 03:04.18 | lindenle | really 'ng' |
| 03:04.22 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 03:04.24 | lindenle | I got to try that out |
| 03:04.48 | Nyle | lindenle: who are you talking to? |
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| 03:04.58 | jelly-home | lindenle: it has a gui, but a lot of features are still missing. It's version 0.3 or something |
| 03:04.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly-home, dont see that one. might have to install it... |
| 03:05.01 | lindenle | jelly-home about report bug |
| 03:05.23 | lindenle | jelly that looks kool |
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| 03:05.36 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: you know anything about broadcom drivers and how to patch them for injection |
| 03:05.38 | lindenle | I like the gui query interface |
| 03:06.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, yes. buy a new card. then ask #kubuntu |
| 03:06.13 | lindenle | checking to see when my caps lock bug will be fixed ... ;) |
| 03:06.25 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: why? |
| 03:06.30 | Nyle | I'm using etch. |
| 03:06.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | when did that happen? |
| 03:06.48 | Nyle | I don't just have one computer dude |
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| 03:07.03 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: remember, me trying to figure out the pxe boot error 32 |
| 03:07.14 | Nyle | i just installed it on one of my machines with a broadcom chip |
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| 03:09.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, broadcoms are C*nts. my fix is to put another nic in - seriously. someone else may have another fix |
| 03:10.02 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser: well true, but that isn't the case right now, in fact, I wouldn't even need to patch it if i had another wireless card |
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| 03:10.29 | Nyle | in fact, I did it last night, but I compiled it on the wrong machine by accident |
| 03:10.34 | Nyle | I had no idea where I was logged in |
| 03:10.35 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:10.58 | jelly-home | and that's with "seriously cut down on potting" :-) |
| 03:11.01 | abrotman | my broadcoms all work fine :) |
| 03:11.07 | Nyle | pottery |
| 03:11.11 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 03:11.22 | jelly-home | sorries, I don't know the sland |
| 03:11.23 | Nyle | jelly-home: thats with the alcohol last night |
| 03:11.25 | jelly-home | g |
| 03:11.42 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 03:11.44 | Nyle | I'm not a drinker |
| 03:11.57 | jelly-home | put hostname in $PS1 |
| 03:12.12 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:12.26 | Nyle | but where I was logged in last night it was a default .bashrc |
| 03:12.40 | Nyle | and i was drunk, thats my excuse and I'm sticking with it ;) |
| 03:12.44 | jelly-home | nothing like rebooting the wrong machine to make those little tweaks |
| 03:12.52 | Nyle | lol |
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| 03:13.02 | Nyle | have you seen my prompt? |
| 03:13.08 | Nyle | let me show you |
| 03:13.20 | jelly-home | I'll show you mine if you show me yours. |
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| 03:13.40 | simonrvn | mine output's the last exit status, hostname, pwd, and date/time |
| 03:13.47 | simonrvn | outputs* |
| 03:13.59 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite simonrvn |
| 03:14.07 | simonrvn | in full ansi colour ;p |
| 03:14.21 | itchi | simonrvn: zsh? :-) |
| 03:14.22 | jelly-home | mine doesn't have $?, but has # or => depending on whether I'm root or not |
| 03:14.26 | simonrvn | NOOOOOOOO!!!!!1111oneoneoneone11111 NOT THAAAAAAAAAT! |
| 03:14.43 | asg | simonrvn: bet that makes script(1) fun |
| 03:14.54 | simonrvn | yeh mine too, though it seems borked in mine, always puts out # even though i'm not uidNumber 0 |
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| 03:15.16 | jelly-home | %(#.#.=>) in zsh |
| 03:15.24 | itchi | simonrvn: Do you not like zsh? |
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| 03:15.40 | simonrvn | jelly-home: 'k; mine's... sec |
| 03:15.52 | rdkoli | hi folks |
| 03:16.08 | jelly-home | and hostname's on the right side usually |
| 03:16.17 | simonrvn | used to be this %(!.#.%%) |
| 03:16.18 | Nyle | damn my internet is too slow |
| 03:16.33 | simonrvn | now it's this %#, but that ain't working either |
| 03:16.43 | jelly-home | hm, %# ought to work |
| 03:16.47 | simonrvn | i'll try yours jelly-home |
| 03:16.54 | simonrvn | yeh, so i thought heh |
| 03:16.59 | simonrvn | i'm using zsh-beta |
| 03:17.00 | jelly-home | vared rulez |
| 03:17.12 | Nyle | http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?37511ba3fc.jpg |
| 03:17.21 | Nyle | thats my desktop and bash prompt |
| 03:17.29 | Nyle | I know lot of people use that famous zsh prompt |
| 03:17.35 | Nyle | but I like bash and thats all really |
| 03:18.12 | simonrvn | bleh, didn't work either |
| 03:18.14 | simonrvn | echo $UID |
| 03:18.14 | simonrvn | 1000 |
| 03:18.18 | itchi | Nyle: See http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/zsh_grml.jpg |
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| 03:18.45 | simonrvn | "(simon@acahkos) #" :/ |
| 03:18.46 | itchi | Nyle: ls<TAB> it show external commands, aliases, ... |
| 03:18.47 | jelly-home | bash has gotten up to zsh with all the major comparative advantages in the meantime, no special reason to use zsh really |
| 03:18.51 | rdkoli | i hv just installed debian etch on my PC, and m trying to connect adsl, but it is giving an error, "I dont like you go away", i tried connecting my adsl thru Fedora and it connects... pls help |
| 03:19.10 | simonrvn | i'm used to zsh now, i don't plan on switching ;) |
| 03:19.16 | jelly-home | me too. |
| 03:19.28 | Nyle | itchi: bash has extended completion, fills in package names, commands, external commands, aliases, command aliases etc. etc. |
| 03:19.40 | Nyle | I have a stoned shell |
| 03:19.41 | itchi | Nyle: if you type ie. aptitude i<TAB> it will even complete |
| 03:19.42 | Nyle | I like it |
| 03:19.50 | Nyle | itchi: bash does too |
| 03:19.51 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:19.56 | Nyle | takes a bit of work though |
| 03:19.57 | jelly-home | Nyle: zsh has that and... er... embedded ftp client, yeah! |
| 03:20.03 | simonrvn | didn't used to be that way, with bash |
| 03:20.10 | Nyle | nope |
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| 03:20.18 | Nyle | good thing now though |
| 03:20.19 | rdkoli | hey folks, i m trying debian for the first time pls help me connecting my adsl... |
| 03:20.25 | et | bash still lacks in some stuff i use daily |
| 03:20.28 | Nyle | jelly-home: yeh ok i have a hardon now |
| 03:21.00 | jelly-home | ls -l **/*.avi(.c-1) ... show avi files created in last 24 hours |
| 03:21.26 | jelly-home | recursively. |
| 03:21.29 | et | for i in /mnt/usb_*; mount $i # etc |
| 03:21.30 | Nyle | jelly-home: make love |
| 03:21.36 | jelly-home | not war. |
| 03:21.47 | rdkoli | is anyone listening to me?? |
| 03:21.57 | Nyle | rdkoli: technically no one is listening ;) |
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| 03:22.05 | Nyle | rdkoli: I have never setup dsl |
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| 03:22.30 | jelly-home | rdkoli: you might want to ask the real question, for example where are you stuck |
| 03:22.31 | Nyle | rdkoli: afaik, dsl modem should get wan ip automatically, all you need to do is probably use dhcp and plug your network cable in |
| 03:22.32 | rdkoli | fine... i thought someone here could assist me, like other distros |
| 03:22.47 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 03:22.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:23.06 | rdkoli | oh ok |
| 03:23.14 | Nyle | rdkoli: thats a much better way to ask |
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| 03:23.23 | rdkoli | thank you for the guidance |
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| 03:24.25 | jelly-home | is your modem a usb device, or are you connecting to it via ethernet? |
| 03:24.36 | simonrvn | jelly-home, Nyle, abrotman: http://simonraven.kisikew.org/imgs/l/lifes_short_powwow_hard_south_park.jpg |
| 03:24.43 | Nyle | usb sux0rz |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | simonrvn: do you have glasses ? |
| 03:25.00 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:25.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:25.13 | Nyle | they don't modulate |
| 03:25.18 | Nyle | or demodulate |
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| 03:25.43 | simonrvn | !tell schorem -about root |
| 03:25.44 | rdkoli | I have a problem with adsl; I'm running Debian version etch. when I try to do pon dsl-provider, i get the following output "I dont like you go away", I expected it to connect, as it works fine with my fedroa |
| 03:26.08 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:26.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol @ output |
| 03:26.28 | itchi | rdkoli: Just listen to him :-p |
| 03:26.38 | jelly-home | rdkoli: is that the exact and complete message? |
| 03:26.40 | rdkoli | I am using pppoe on my eth0 |
| 03:26.48 | bullgard4 | Why are there two different files ~/.recently-used and ~/.recentlyused.xbel? |
| 03:27.02 | rdkoli | yes thats what i can see in my messages |
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| 03:27.41 | simonrvn | rdkoli: check your log, ppp-errors.log, ppp.log |
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| 03:27.53 | jelly-home | rdkoli: are you running pon as root, or as an user? |
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| 03:28.09 | rdkoli | let me also tell you, my network contains more than 1 PPPOE Servers of atleast 3 different ISPs, and debian is seen to always check the 1st one |
| 03:29.31 | jelly-home | my dsl router does pppoa for me, I have no real experience with bridge-mode / pppoe |
| 03:29.35 | rdkoli | i m trying to connect pon as a user with sudo |
| 03:29.54 | kminor | Hello, I used Synaptic to LOCK the version of a particular package and now it's stating it's broken and I cannot populate any packages in synaptic nor can I use apt-get or dpkg --force-all/--force-remove-reinstreq or whatever to remove the package...any idea's on how to unlock the version lock in synaptic if you cannot select the package through synaptic? I've tried to 'unhold' at the command line, but it seems it's still locked...any suggestions woul |
| 03:29.56 | jelly-home | rdkoli: stupid question, does sudo work for other commands? |
| 03:30.16 | rdkoli | my pppoe-discovery shows me all the 3 ISPs |
| 03:30.29 | rdkoli | yes it does work |
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| 03:31.07 | rdkoli | and my tail messages match the MAC of the first ISP |
| 03:31.24 | jelly-home | I've run out of stupid questions, check the logs. :-| |
| 03:31.27 | rdkoli | I have access to all 3 ISPs ... but none connect |
| 03:31.54 | rdkoli | where should i find errors of pppoe |
| 03:32.02 | kminor | i've even looked into /var/lib/dpkg/info at the packages .preinst .postrm etc. files to no avail... |
| 03:32.27 | rdkoli | in fact, at this moment i m connected using fedora on one of my ISPs |
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| 03:33.03 | rdkoli | before asking question here, i even tried connecting all the ISPs and it works fine |
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| 03:35.04 | rdkoli | fedora uses system-config-network, where it asks for the servicename of the ISP for connecting, in debian i couldnt find such a thing |
| 03:35.19 | abrotman | pppoeconfig ? |
| 03:35.38 | pipp8 | lol |
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| 03:36.09 | rdkoli | pppoeconf, yes i m using the same to configure, the configuration goes well, but result is it just doesnt connect |
| 03:36.31 | jelly-home | rdkoli: the few times I used pppd (with modem), it appeared in /var/log/messages, ppp.log, ppp-connect-errors |
| 03:36.33 | simonrvn | um, you can easily specify which account to connect with |
| 03:37.12 | rdkoli | this is the 3rd installation of debian on the same machine, and i had tried using ubuntu once, and it connected after a small try |
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| 03:37.55 | simonrvn | jelly-home, Nyle, abrotman: did it over at sp-studio.de if you're interested. i had to add the drumstick and drum though |
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| 03:40.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:40.30 | rdkoli | i used plog just now, it says CHAP authentication error... but my chap file contains the username and password of the isp i m trying to connect |
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| 03:42.03 | Nyle | simonrvn: whats going on |
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| 03:44.14 | up365 | running etch, problem with bitstream vera fonts, it's in /etc/fonts after dl and extract, need it for some sites and googleearth |
| 03:45.09 | simonrvn | Nyle: just a pic |
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| 03:48.39 | Ward1983 | what do i need to add to my .xsession to let matchbox autoboot? |
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| 03:51.00 | bullgard4 | Why are there two different files ~/.recently-used and ~/.recentlyused.xbel? |
| 03:52.34 | nkuttler | Ward1983: exec matchbox ? |
| 03:53.20 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, then it would be matchbox-window-manager, but if i just type that matchbox does not start |
| 03:53.29 | Ward1983 | "matchbox: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. |
| 03:53.29 | Ward1983 | " |
| 03:53.29 | Nyle | bcm43xx is not modular? |
| 03:53.50 | Nyle | you can't build bcm43xx as a module? |
| 03:54.40 | nkuttler | Ward1983: erm, how do you start x? anything else in your ~/.xsession? |
| 03:54.57 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, startx, but then matchbox wont show |
| 03:55.05 | Ward1983 | nothing else there |
| 03:56.32 | nkuttler | Ward1983: ah... you probably want to add lines like matchbox-panel & to you xsession... dunno matchbox |
| 03:57.49 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, ok i'll try |
| 03:59.04 | abrotman | bullgard4: could you be less vague? |
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| 04:00.50 | bullgard4 | abrotman: I do not know why you call my question 'vage'. I believe I have put a concrete question. Tell my why you have reason to call my question 'vage', please. |
| 04:01.10 | abrotman | what are the files .. and what created them .. when were they last modified |
| 04:01.17 | abrotman | yeah .. it was vague |
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| 04:05.49 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, doesnt work |
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| 04:06.05 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, but i think i recall something about "default window manager" or something |
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| 04:09.34 | nkuttler | Ward1983: paste your ~/.xsession somewhere |
| 04:10.00 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, its empty lol |
| 04:10.29 | nkuttler | ... |
| 04:10.41 | Ward1983 | ? |
| 04:10.53 | Ward1983 | it was empty all the time |
| 04:11.02 | Ward1983 | i just installed matchbox with apt-get |
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| 04:11.09 | Ward1983 | and now it does not come up when i do startxc |
| 04:11.18 | nkuttler | Ward1983: i told you what to put in. man startx, man xsesion,... |
| 04:11.22 | Ward1983 | so i would like to let it start when i do startx |
| 04:11.37 | nkuttler | Ward1983: or just install a dm, like gdm, kdm |
| 04:11.38 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, and that did not work... |
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| 04:12.15 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, maybe |
| 04:12.20 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, (its a pda) |
| 04:13.02 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, would xdm do? |
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| 04:14.50 | nkuttler | Ward1983: what happens when you run startx? does x start or do you get an error? |
| 04:14.53 | simonrvn | !.xsession |
| 04:14.53 | dpkg | methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 04:15.40 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, it starts x and gives a message about xsession |
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| 04:17.02 | Ward1983 | dpkg, i have no clue what you mean by that |
| 04:17.31 | nkuttler | Ward1983: ...what message? |
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| 04:20.33 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, (this is typed over to the letter) Xsession: unable to start X session --- no "/"/root/.Xsession" file, no session managers, terminal emulators found; aborting. |
| 04:21.07 | Ward1983 | nkuttler, offcourse this error disappeares if i create the file |
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| 04:23.26 | slocate | DrunkenDonut yeah |
| 04:23.36 | Ward1983 | i'm 100% positivve i just had to add one line in a file last time i did this |
| 04:23.52 | Ward1983 | (last time was like 3 days ago) |
| 04:24.04 | Ward1983 | only i forgot which line :( |
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| 04:31.35 | Ward1983 | ok foudn the solution :-) |
| 04:31.44 | Ward1983 | http://www.nextabyte.com/wiki/index.php?title=Autostart_X_with_matchbox |
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| 04:35.57 | zeeeee | does dpkg utilities have a source repository or release website? i'd like to get its sources so i can build start-stop-daemon (on a non-deb embedded linux system) |
| 04:36.21 | simonrvn | apt-get source dpkg |
| 04:36.38 | zeeeee | simonrvn, any way without debian? |
| 04:36.41 | simonrvn | like any other package. you need deb-src (copy your current ones) |
| 04:36.51 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 04:36.51 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 04:37.40 | zeeeee | simonrvn, out of curiosity, how does development happen on these utilities without a source repository? |
| 04:38.27 | zeeeee | s/a source repository/version control system/ |
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| 04:41.30 | skyrocker | when did gnome become the default desktop for debian? |
| 04:41.47 | wols_ | never |
| 04:42.23 | skyrocker | aleast thats what the debian artwork site says |
| 04:42.44 | wols_ | debian has no default desktop, no matter what some site says, unless the site is debian.org |
| 04:45.02 | skyrocker | Gnome is the default desktop environment of Debian. It is contained on the first CD of the set above. There are two additional CDs: You will need them, if you want to make KDE or the lightweight Xfce your default desktop environment; they take care of all the necessary modifications. |
| 04:45.21 | skyrocker | http://www.ulrich-hansen.de/etch/index.htm |
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| 04:46.24 | skyrocker | claims that gnome is strange must be a pusher |
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| 04:52.32 | cast | when you select 'desktop environment' in tasksel, you get gnome. thats as close to a default as there is afaik |
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| 04:56.05 | dalias | tasksel is evil |
| 04:56.10 | dalias | it installs millions of useless things |
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| 04:59.21 | tazz | where do i file a bug for the kde4 live cd ? |
| 05:00.09 | cast | am setting up eth0 to have two ips, both static, here's an example line: http://rafb.net/p/vDwOHU86.txt now what dictates the netmask of /24 they've used there? |
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| 05:00.45 | cast | nvm, ill just use /24, thats whatdhcp gave me it seems |
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| 05:02.28 | nkuttler | cast: if you're on dhcp why not add an iface eth0:1 inet dhcp? |
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| 05:02.58 | wols_ | tazz: with the people who made that CD. it is NOT debian so it's OT here |
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| 05:03.10 | cast | nkuttler: that's an interesting idea, |
| 05:04.26 | \amethyst | cast: why not use an iface for eth0:0 ? |
| 05:04.34 | earnest | I installed linux-kernel-headers but I can't find module.h anywhere; I'd like to compile a kernel module, but I just don't have this header; I guess I must be package-mistaken, no? |
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| 05:05.34 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:06.53 | \amethyst | earnest: wrong package, you want linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:07.31 | smacnay | What do I need to install in Debian to get "taglib" and "tagpy"? |
| 05:07.37 | earnest | \amethyst: hm, interesting. thanks! |
| 05:07.48 | cast | \amethyst: for whatever reason VM providers example says run this: 'ifconfig eth0:1 [insert additional IP #1 here] netmask 255.255.255.0 up' http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/network.htm skipped :0 also, so i thought maybe eth0:0 was the same as eth0 or some such, wasn't sure on that detail |
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| 05:08.45 | earnest | i'm unlucky: linux-headers-2.6.18-5_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch2_i386.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 05:08.47 | cast | will change it to eth0:0 this time though |
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| 05:10.18 | cast | alright, we appear to be up on both interfaces :) |
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| 05:11.41 | \amethyst | earnest: sounds like you need to do apt-get update |
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| 05:12.04 | tazz | wols_: it IS a debian cd http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html so... |
| 05:12.11 | \amethyst | earnest: current version is 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4 not *etch2 |
| 05:12.29 | tazz | it is not OT |
| 05:13.05 | Ward1983 | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
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| 05:13.05 | Ward1983 | what is that? :s |
| 05:13.06 | tazz | actually my bad i didnt mention that it was a debian kde4 live cd. |
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| 05:14.23 | earnest | \amethyst: hm, why update? how does this work? the update will sort of fix urls? |
| 05:14.34 | Ward1983 | wtf |
| 05:14.42 | Ward1983 | i jsut fix all my stuff and then this happens |
| 05:14.43 | \amethyst | tazz: I'd recommend bringing it up on the debian-kde list, as that page suggests |
| 05:14.45 | Ward1983 | out of nowhere ! |
| 05:14.47 | Ward1983 | WTF |
| 05:14.54 | earnest | \amethyst: worked; updated, now i'm downloading. i don't get it though. :) |
| 05:15.01 | tazz | ah thanks... |
| 05:15.23 | earnest | i suppose they moved files behind my apt's back |
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| 05:16.36 | \amethyst | earnest: the etch4 version claims to be a security update; that might be why the old version went away |
| 05:16.49 | earnest | i see |
| 05:17.08 | icltlfatppl | Anyone here developing with Ruby on Rails on Debian? |
| 05:17.30 | earnest | my ``find'' for ``module.h'', however, still returns nothing |
| 05:17.38 | earnest | apparently the package does not bring such file |
| 05:18.01 | icltlfatppl | I'm wondering why ruby gems installs in /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/rake |
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| 05:18.11 | Ward1983 | my full output: http://pastebin.ca/760658 |
| 05:18.13 | Ward1983 | what is going wrong? |
| 05:18.24 | Ward1983 | smoke |
| 05:18.24 | \amethyst | earnest: err, you also need the arch-specific package |
| 05:18.31 | icltlfatppl | Or rather, why Ruby gems installs stuff in /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/ |
| 05:18.39 | \amethyst | earnest: what does uname -r say? |
| 05:18.48 | earnest | # uname -r |
| 05:18.48 | earnest | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 05:19.00 | earnest | I installed linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 05:19.54 | wols_ | tazz: debian has no live cd. there is a project that makes one sure, but right now, debian hasn't one |
| 05:20.22 | wols_ | and just cause your ive cd uses work done by the debian live CD project, doesn't mean it's debian either |
| 05:20.36 | wols_ | otherwise ubuntu or knoppix would be debian too |
| 05:20.41 | \amethyst | earnest: you should have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5/linux/module.h |
| 05:21.35 | earnest | I have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5, but linux in it |
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| 05:21.51 | zapnap | ok so i found a version of ruby 1.8.6 in backports that i want to install on debian etch |
| 05:22.00 | earnest | oh, i have include/linux |
| 05:22.18 | zapnap | can someone suggest the 'best way' to do this? should i add sid to my sources list and then do an apt-get install ruby1.8 etc |
| 05:22.19 | zapnap | ? |
| 05:22.38 | earnest | I don't get why find doesn't find it: # find /usr -name "module.h" returns nothing |
| 05:22.43 | wols_ | zapnap: backports has instructions what to do |
| 05:22.59 | wols_ | and using packages straight from sid will sooner or later crash your system |
| 05:23.15 | zapnap | wols_: that's what i was worried about |
| 05:23.17 | zapnap | :p |
| 05:24.23 | zapnap | wols_: i'm probably just not finding the instructions then. cuz backports says to add it to my sources list :) |
| 05:24.39 | wols_ | yes |
| 05:24.53 | zapnap | the only other thing it says is to use aptitude or synaptic instead of manually doing it from the cmd line |
| 05:25.20 | zapnap | wols_: sorry for the noob question but it's been quite some time since i've admin'd a deb box. srry! |
| 05:25.32 | zapnap | but any help is very much appreciated of course |
| 05:26.46 | wols_ | which instructions are you reading? |
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| 05:28.09 | zapnap | http://packages.debian.org/sid/ruby1.8/i386/download |
| 05:28.21 | zapnap | the wrong ones, most likely |
| 05:28.29 | \amethyst | zapnap: I thought you wanted the backport? |
| 05:28.47 | zapnap | \amethyst: i want a version of ruby 1.8.6 to run on etch |
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| 05:29.03 | \amethyst | You said "i found a version of ruby 1.8.6 in backports" |
| 05:29.12 | wols_ | !tell zapnap about bpo |
| 05:29.39 | \amethyst | there doesn't seem to be a 1.8.6 backport according to pdo |
| 05:29.39 | zapnap | \amethyst: i may be abusing the terms. i found one on backports.org in sid |
| 05:31.10 | zapnap | it's looking like i'm either going to have to create my own package then or just install from source |
| 05:31.13 | zapnap | i gues |
| 05:31.20 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 05:31.20 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 05:31.29 | \amethyst | could be worth trying |
| 05:32.20 | \amethyst | definitely better than installing the sid version in etch |
| 05:32.33 | zapnap | \amethyst: fair enough |
| 05:33.01 | zapnap | i can build that on one box and move it to the other, right? |
| 05:33.14 | \amethyst | especially since libc6 (rather, locales) is borked right now in sid |
| 05:33.34 | ahlfors | The bbold font in texlive-fonts-extra is broken in sid, and has been for a while. There is no bug report. It was also broken in openbsd, but they fixed it. Will someone please convert their patch and upload? http://www.mail-archive.com/ports@openbsd.org/msg12701.html |
| 05:33.36 | \amethyst | zapnap: yes, but make sure you build it on an etch box |
| 05:33.42 | zapnap | right. of course. |
| 05:34.48 | \amethyst | ahlfors: file a report and link to that patch |
| 05:35.16 | wols_ | zapnap: you are vrey confused |
| 05:35.16 | wols_ | backports or has nothing with sid |
| 05:35.32 | zapnap | wols_: as i stated, that's unsurprising. hence the 'noob' disclaimer. |
| 05:36.06 | \amethyst | wols_: the problem is, searching bpo takes you to pdo now |
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| 05:36.16 | Guerin | !noob |
| 05:36.16 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 05:36.18 | Guerin | ;) |
| 05:36.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 05:36.34 | zapnap | when you search on backports, you get offered sid packages |
| 05:36.41 | \amethyst | zapnap: not normally |
| 05:37.07 | \amethyst | unless you widen the search |
| 05:37.08 | Guerin | they'll be sid versions built for etch |
| 05:37.12 | Guerin | that's what a backport is |
| 05:38.02 | zapnap | Guerin: right. there were none listed under etch. but being uninformed, it looked mighty appealing with there was also a sid version listed that WAS the proper version on the same listing page. |
| 05:38.26 | \amethyst | when I search BPO for ruby1.8 I get a no results found page on pdo |
| 05:38.29 | Guerin | mm. Built for sid, not etch? |
| 05:38.29 | cast | tuxguardian looks like it might be a good 'personal' firewall |
| 05:38.32 | ahlfors | \amethyst, I run sid but I am not intimately familiar with the debian package system. Thus I can't write the patch myself. My experience is that no one tolerates sid users who are unable to fix a problem. Can I safely file such a report, or will I be criticized and then ignored? |
| 05:38.38 | zapnap | Guerin: exactly |
| 05:38.41 | \amethyst | Guerin: yes, it's the sid package |
| 05:38.50 | Guerin | bp.o seems to have slipped a bit |
| 05:39.08 | \amethyst | I have to click another link to a results list that contains the sid package |
| 05:39.12 | wols_ | Guerin: he is misreading his results |
| 05:39.28 | zapnap | wols_: yes, i WAS misreading the results. right. |
| 05:39.35 | Guerin | ahlfors: you can file, by all means. That's what sid is about. |
| 05:39.35 | \amethyst | ahlfors: Your experience comes from this channel? |
| 05:39.38 | wols_ | while bpo does use pdo to display results, it dispalys them from etch-backport as the "branch", not "sid" |
| 05:39.56 | \amethyst | ahlfors: This channel isn't as friendly as developers receiving bug reports :) |
| 05:39.56 | zapnap | just saying, it's confusing if it's the first time you've seen it ;-) |
| 05:39.58 | zapnap | that's all. |
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| 05:40.15 | \amethyst | zapnap: Exactly how were you doing the search? |
| 05:40.19 | Guerin | ahlfors: the only time we grief at sid users is if they can't muddle their way through typical config and packaging bugs - patch-writing is a bit beyond what we expect (though it's nice if you can) |
| 05:40.26 | zapnap | \amethyst: went to search box, entered criteria, hit search |
| 05:40.27 | zapnap | :) |
| 05:40.38 | \amethyst | zapnap: search box on backports.org? |
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| 05:40.56 | \amethyst | zapnap: this one? : http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages |
| 05:41.03 | wols_ | ahlfors: 9 of 10 sid users coming here have no clue about debian and use it cause it's "newest". after the 1000st of them, it gets old |
| 05:41.09 | zapnap | \_amethyst: i started searching on backports but then ended up being led to packages.debian.org |
| 05:41.14 | zapnap | of course i wasn't cognizant of it at the time |
| 05:41.29 | ahlfors | \amethyst, it was here, yes, I mentioned that I was running sid and someone told me to expect breakage, and not to complain about it unless I had a fix |
| 05:41.33 | \amethyst | zapnap: ah, then you clicked "62 results have not been displayed..." or something like that |
| 05:41.40 | \amethyst | ahlfors: you have a fix :) |
| 05:41.41 | zapnap | \amethyst: EXACTLY |
| 05:41.49 | \amethyst | ahlfors: and filing a bug report isn't complaining |
| 05:41.56 | zapnap | anyway |
| 05:42.00 | \amethyst | ahlfors: it is, in fact, your duty as a sid user |
| 05:42.08 | Guerin | !irritate ahlfors |
| 05:42.09 | dpkg | ahlfors: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde plz msg me, t-tyrant |
| 05:42.15 | zapnap | a bit surprised that there isn't a standard ruby 1.8.6 backported for etch i guess |
| 05:42.19 | Guerin | ahlfors: you weren't like that; so you're not one of the bad ones ;) |
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| 05:43.52 | ahlfors | Ok. But is it really possible that no one else has noticed this problem and filed a bug report about it? Lots of people use latex, right? |
| 05:44.17 | \amethyst | ahlfors: what is the problem exactly? |
| 05:44.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | ahlfors, thtas what looking in the BTS is for :) |
| 05:44.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | *thats |
| 05:44.49 | \amethyst | ahlfors: I can do $\mathbb{FOO}$ and it looks fine |
| 05:44.50 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: and which bold in particular? |
| 05:45.19 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: furthermore, you are using texlive, right? not tetex? |
| 05:46.01 | zapnap | i'll try building the packages on another box and moving them over.. if that doesn't work, i'm off to tarball land. ick. |
| 05:46.13 | ahlfors | The problem occurs when you \usepackage{bbold} and then include a $\mathbb{anything}$ at 11pt |
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| 05:46.26 | wols_ | !tell zapnap about simple sid backport |
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| 05:46.38 | ahlfors | 10pt and 12pt seem to work find, but 11pt is generated differently, and fails |
| 05:46.54 | \amethyst | ahlfors: there might not be any sid users who have encountered that precise set of conditions |
| 05:47.03 | ahlfors | dondelelcaro, yes, texlive. The package with the problem is texlive-fonts-extra |
| 05:47.08 | zapnap | wols_: yes, already know. |
| 05:47.15 | zapnap | that's what i'm working on |
| 05:47.44 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: well, file a bug; a lot of people don't use the math bb fonts in unstable. |
| 05:48.02 | \amethyst | I use mathbb, but not the bbold package |
| 05:48.30 | ahlfors | I like sans serif blackboard bold, so I always \usepackage{bbold} |
| 05:48.37 | \amethyst | how else are you going to refer to the rationals? :) |
| 05:49.02 | \amethyst | or natural numbers or integers or reals or complex numbers, for that matter |
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| 05:49.33 | ahlfors | dondelelcaro, like I said, the problem isn't with the usual mathbb font, it's with the sans serif replacement from texlive-fonts-extra |
| 05:49.59 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: right, so that's probably why someone else hasn't filed the bug. Go ahead and file it, and point to the patch. |
| 05:50.22 | ahlfors | ok, will do, thanks |
| 05:50.26 | dondelelcaro | (you should also include in your bug report a short snippet to generate the error so the maintainer can verify that the patch actually fixes it) |
| 05:51.30 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: I can count the times that I refer to those in my notes; something like 0. |
| 05:51.40 | ahlfors | I'll include: minimal error-generating tex source, sample of the error output, link to the openbsd fix, package versions,.... anything else? |
| 05:51.49 | dondelelcaro | that's good enough |
| 05:54.30 | \amethyst | your bug report will be in the 10th decile |
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| 05:54.53 | \amethyst | in terms of quality |
| 05:55.45 | ahlfors | is that bad or good? (I don't know if you sort deciles ascending or descending) |
| 05:55.45 | \amethyst | top 10% |
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| 06:04.09 | ahlfors | What kind of email address do you folks use for debian bug reports? I probably don't want to expose my main address, right? |
| 06:05.05 | simonrvn | no. just use some spamtrap addie, and do heavy filtering, or use a free email site like yahoo or gmail or something |
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| 06:16.41 | Samus_Aran | can someone tell me the proper way to tell apt to ignore a supposed dependancy issue with an older deb file which is not actually an issue ? |
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| 06:17.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Samus_Aran, hum? |
| 06:17.15 | Samus_Aran | in this case it is looking for a different version of libpng, but the current one works without problem |
| 06:18.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | what would the problem be installing the new version? |
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| 06:19.25 | Samus_Aran | it is a third party app. I'm just wondering how or if there is a way, to tell apt permanently that a particular package does not have a dependancy issue |
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| 06:23.18 | wols_ | Samus_Aran: you cannot tell apt to ignore anything |
| 06:23.34 | wols_ | Samus_Aran: maybe tell us the actual problem and we can suggest a solution |
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| 06:24.23 | Samus_Aran | it isn't one specific problem, it's just something that has come up many times over the years. usually when going to install an older app that isn't in the regular apt repos and some system lib has been updated to a new number |
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| 06:25.31 | Samus_Aran | is there any easy way to create a dummy package which simply provides the particular version number it is looking for, but is empty ? |
| 06:25.31 | sgeigerbot | Wow! This makes the 9/11 conspiracy obvious: http://scimethod.googlepages.com/verify |
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| 06:25.51 | wols_ | !tell Samus_Aran about equivs |
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| 06:26.34 | wols_ | Samus_Aran: stop the spaming your lower lifeform |
| 06:26.43 | wols_ | oops. that was for sgeigerbot |
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| 06:27.22 | PiousMinion | I've been playing around with different gui wifi tools and somehow I have a new "eth0:avahi" that came out of nowhere and has an IP. I can't get online, nor can I bring up eth0 or bring down eth0:avahi. Ideas? |
| 06:27.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | PiousMinion, you installed avahi/network manager? |
| 06:28.06 | wols_ | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:28.20 | wols_ | !avahi |
| 06:28.38 | PiousMinion | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
| 06:28.48 | PiousMinion | wols_: ok |
| 06:29.13 | wols_ | you could probably uninstall avahi too |
| 06:31.34 | Samus_Aran | wols_: thank you, I will try out this equivs package |
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| 06:41.11 | Samus_Aran | goodnight |
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| 06:41.23 | sgeigerbot | wols_: check it out. |
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| 06:49.40 | jacekows1i | what can cause network is unreachable error when i trying to set route - selinux? |
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| 07:06.39 | wols_ | sgeigerbot: do NOT repeat this spam in here. ever |
| 07:08.25 | osmosis_ | everything looks proper, but my /var/www/munin directory is empty. Any ideas ? |
| 07:09.15 | jacekowski | fill it |
| 07:10.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | osmosis_, what release are you running? |
| 07:10.42 | osmosis_ | Kamping_Kaiser: munin 1.2.5-1 |
| 07:11.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | munin? |
| 07:11.58 | osmosis_ | Kamping_Kaiser: yah...thats what I am trying to get working. http://munin.projects.linpro.no/ |
| 07:13.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | what debian release? |
| 07:13.16 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: just aptitude install munin; |
| 07:13.40 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: and presumably munin-node as well |
| 07:13.47 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: yah, thats what I thought too, but my /var/www/munin directory just stays empty. Its not generating anything. Ive let it sit for a couple days already. |
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| 07:13.56 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: I installed munin-node as well. |
| 07:14.17 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: you have to edit your /etc/munin/munin.conf you know. |
| 07:14.50 | dondelelcaro | otherwise the munin bit doesn't know which nodes it should talk to |
| 07:14.51 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: I looked in there, but the defaults look all good. |
| 07:15.13 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: its has localhost by default. |
| 07:15.22 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: and munin-node is running? |
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| 07:15.40 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: yup. |
| 07:16.04 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: what does /var/log/munin/munin-node.log and /var/log/munin/munin-update.log say? |
| 07:16.11 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: is cron running? |
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| 07:16.47 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: I only see a munin-node.log file. |
| 07:17.37 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: what does your /etc/cron.d/munin; say? |
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| 07:18.05 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: says # cron-jobs for munin |
| 07:18.33 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: and a bunch of /var/run/munin stuff |
| 07:18.48 | osmosis_ | */5 * * * * munin if [ -x /usr/bin/munin-cron ]; then /usr/bin/munin-cron; fi |
| 07:18.55 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: and what happens when you run /usr/bin/munin-cron ? |
| 07:19.00 | dondelelcaro | (as the munin user, of course) |
| 07:19.40 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: i can't really run it as the munin user...i can't su to that user. |
| 07:19.51 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: sure you can |
| 07:19.52 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: i dont think it has a shell set. |
| 07:19.56 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: doesn't matter |
| 07:20.18 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: just sudo -u -H /usr/bin/munin-cron; or su munin /usr/bin/munin-cron; is good enough. |
| 07:20.20 | osmosis_ | sudo su munin doesnt work |
| 07:20.25 | osmosis_ | oh ok |
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| 07:21.44 | osmosis_ | nah, su munin doesnt work |
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| 07:22.06 | osmosis_ | it uses /bin/false as the shell for that user in /etc/passwd |
| 07:22.29 | dondelelcaro | su munin -c /usr/bin/munin-cron; rather. |
| 07:22.41 | dondelelcaro | (or just use sudo) |
| 07:23.22 | dondelelcaro | sudo -u munin -H /usr/bin/munin-cron; or su munin -c /usr/bin/munin-cron; |
| 07:24.54 | osmosis_ | su munin -c /bin/bash; whoami; root |
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| 07:25.25 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: its not working. |
| 07:27.12 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: sudo -u munin -H /usr/bin/munin-cron; or su -s /bin/bash munin; definetly will. |
| 07:28.20 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: okay, that generated some files in my /var/www/munin now |
| 07:28.47 | dondelelcaro | osmosis_: ok, so do you have cron installed? is it running? |
| 07:29.30 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: i thought i did, but now i dont think I do. |
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| 07:29.54 | osmosis_ | ill do that |
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| 07:30.54 | osmosis_ | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 07:41.07 | stiv2k | can i add elements to a multidimensional array by simply stating them |
| 07:41.08 | stiv2k | like |
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| 07:41.21 | stiv2k | if i have array("foo" => "bar"); |
| 07:41.24 | stiv2k | err |
| 07:41.29 | stiv2k | $arr = array("foo" => "bar"); |
| 07:41.42 | stiv2k | can i say $arr['foo2'] = 'bar2' |
| 07:41.47 | stiv2k | and it will be put in the array |
| 07:41.52 | stiv2k | wow |
| 07:41.57 | stiv2k | this isn't #php |
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| 07:58.29 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:02.26 | sauvin | How do you blacklist stuff in etch? I can't get dmesg to quit kvetching about bcm43xx not being able to find microcode. |
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| 08:04.27 | kodess | if I want to upgrade my etch to lenny will it be enough just to change all occurences of 'etch' to 'lenny' and 'stable' to 'testing' in sources.list and then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 08:07.29 | kodess | In Slackware it was important in which order you install newer packages and I'm not sure if everything is gonna be ok |
| 08:08.19 | tb808kid | Hey, I have encrypted volume that automounts (added after installation as /dev/hdd) when I give the first password to /boot, i was wondering what i need to bring it into a new install, is it just the /dev/mapper/ file for the drive? |
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| 08:09.13 | feklee | How do I find out to which package a particular file belongs to? |
| 08:09.38 | stew | feklee: dpkg -S filename |
| 08:09.47 | feklee | stew, thanks |
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| 08:16.08 | tb808kid | A better question would be how would I safely move an encrypted /home partition to a new install (seems like the same thing)? |
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| 08:18.03 | tb808kid | As far as I can tell form Google searches, all need is the right /dev/map/* device, but I can't really afford to take a chance |
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| 08:20.44 | tb808kid | *from |
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| 08:25.15 | kodess | what about my question on etch->lenny upgrade? |
| 08:26.18 | streuner_ | /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:26.33 | streuner_ | read that first |
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| 08:26.34 | kodess | how do I upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 08:28.09 | TiMiDo | kodess, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 08:29.24 | kodess | if I want to upgrade my etch to lenny will it be enough just to change all occurences of 'etch' to 'lenny' and 'stable' to 'testing' in sources.list and then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 08:29.48 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:30.01 | streuner_ | you should read sid faq first, as we told you before |
| 08:30.43 | streuner_ | basically just use "lenny" and not "testing" in souces.list |
| 08:33.13 | TiMiDo | hey how do i installed my webcam the model is lifecam vx-3000 |
| 08:33.15 | TiMiDo | any ideas? |
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| 08:34.46 | kodess | streuner_: why do I need to read that faq about unstable if I want to get testing? |
| 08:34.50 | streuner_ | basically network-cameras are fine - you need no driver to use that |
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| 08:35.42 | streuner_ | kodess: some tips and trics also work for testing/lenny, plus basic knowledge which would be helpful |
| 08:36.02 | kodess | streuner_: ok, thanks. |
| 08:36.14 | streuner_ | it doesnt HURD â„¢ |
| 08:38.06 | streuner_ | well, if you dont find a driver for your webcam, just sell it and buy some supported stuff or (better) buy a network-cam |
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| 08:42.33 | dto | hi all. |
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| 08:43.01 | dto | how do I format a USB Mass Storage device for vfat? it says "unknown partition table" when I plug it in |
| 08:45.54 | streuner_ | use mkfs.dos to re-format that |
| 08:45.59 | streuner_ | !find mkfs.dos |
| 08:46.07 | simonrvn | dto: what says that? my mp3 player i get the same in dmesg, but works fine |
| 08:46.18 | streuner_ | !info dosfstools |
| 08:47.09 | dto | it doesn't say anythign about sdb1... sdb has unknown partitino table |
| 08:47.10 | rmaj | how to get ConceptGcc on deb? |
| 08:47.11 | dto | ok i'll try |
| 08:47.16 | dpkg | dosfstools: (Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT filesystems), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.11-2.3 (sid), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 08:47.31 | kodess | im worried about updating some critical packages such as grub, linux-image... |
| 08:48.15 | streuner_ | s/mkfs.dos/mkfs.vfat/ |
| 08:48.37 | kodess | is it possible that they won't work properly ? |
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| 08:49.31 | streuner_ | sure, thats why bugs.debian.org (BTS) exist |
| 08:50.45 | kodess | on the other hand can I leave them in old versions? |
| 08:51.28 | streuner_ | yes, you can put them on "hold" (/msg dpkg hold) |
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| 08:52.17 | kodess | and should I? |
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| 08:53.19 | streuner_ | depends on the situation |
| 08:53.58 | suppaman | hello |
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| 08:54.06 | dto | hi suppaman |
| 08:54.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | can someone help me out here - whats the maths to work out how long 40gb will take to download at 300kb/s? |
| 08:54.18 | suppaman | I found I was on lenny |
| 08:54.22 | suppaman | I tought I was on etch.. |
| 08:54.29 | suppaman | that was _shocking_ |
| 08:54.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | i wound up with 40 minutes :| (eg , wrong) |
| 08:54.35 | streuner_ | as we told you before, just read "sid faq", it mention package "apt-listbugs" which give you basic infos is there a problem (reported) or not... |
| 08:54.40 | suppaman | (well not really that shocking) |
| 08:54.48 | dto | is a gb 1000MB or 1024MB? |
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| 08:55.03 | suppaman | dto: it depends |
| 08:55.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | dto, 1024mb in this case. |
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| 08:55.21 | suppaman | dto: strictly 1024 would be a Gibibyte |
| 08:55.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | because it was `du -hs` that reported 38gb |
| 08:55.31 | suppaman | that is gigabinarybyte |
| 08:55.46 | jacekowski | 4G/day at 60kb/s |
| 08:55.59 | suppaman | but it depends vastly on the context |
| 08:56.10 | jacekowski | you have 5 times faster connection and 10x more data |
| 08:56.11 | dto | i'm making a custom .deb package of GNU Emacs that tracks CVS HEAD. |
| 08:56.14 | jacekowski | so about 2 days |
| 08:56.21 | dto | and putting together a new computer soon. |
| 08:56.23 | suppaman | if you're an hard disk producer obviosuly 1 GB is 1000Mb |
| 08:56.29 | dto | haha |
| 08:56.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | jacekowski, so it could be about 40 hours... buggr. |
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| 09:11.40 | Uragano3347560 | .:::] Ci40 @ Tutti [:::. »BuTT3rF|y sCr|pT«»rEvOLuTiOnZ»v2.6« |
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| 09:40.29 | sauvin | when I type 'info gcc' at the command line in etch, I get what you'd get when you type info with no arguments. How is this fixed? |
| 09:42.42 | nkuttler | sauvin: install gcc-foo-doc |
| 09:42.54 | sauvin | literally? |
| 09:43.12 | nkuttler | sauvin: no |
| 09:43.52 | sauvin | Why were basic system man pages removed from etch? |
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| 09:44.45 | streuner_ | some of the docs are non-free now |
| 09:45.11 | sauvin | Mmkay, what the hell does "free" mean? |
| 09:45.21 | streuner_ | !dfsg |
| 09:45.22 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 09:45.30 | streuner_ | read that |
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| 09:45.41 | sauvin | I'm gonna, but I fear it'll be a variation on the Fedora theme. |
| 09:45.49 | sauvin | Basic information is being restricted. |
| 09:45.58 | streuner_ | heh |
| 09:46.00 | feklee | I have radeonfb included in the kernel. How do I check whether it has been activated/used? |
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| 09:48.01 | \amethyst | sauvin: you can install gcc-doc if you add contrib and non-free |
| 09:48.07 | MelkorD | feklee: dmesg | grep radeonfb |
| 09:48.23 | sauvin | How are those added? |
| 09:48.38 | chuckkh | does Debian supply the tcl tutorial that's supposed to be included with the man pages? |
| 09:48.39 | \amethyst | !non-free |
| 09:48.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 09:48.45 | \amethyst | !non-free sources |
| 09:48.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 09:48.51 | feklee | MelkorD, OK - didn't think about the obvious. :-) Thanks for the hint - it seems to work. |
| 09:49.00 | feklee | I.e. radeonfb is used. |
| 09:49.17 | sauvin | Mmkay... thanks! |
| 09:49.19 | MelkorD | feklee: np :) |
| 09:50.02 | chuckkh | tcl tk- where's the tutorial |
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| 09:52.07 | \amethyst | sauvin: Debian doesn't consider the GNU Free Documentation Licence free because of the front- and back-cover provisions |
| 09:52.21 | \amethyst | and invariant sections |
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| 09:53.10 | eFfeM | hi, i am trying to install debian on a usb stick from another linux pc and I am stuck at this |
| 09:53.12 | eFfeM | /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 etch /mnt/debinst http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 09:53.30 | eFfeM | it says it cannot retrieve from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 09:53.44 | eFfeM | E: Failed getting release file ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/etch/Release |
| 09:53.55 | eFfeM | anyone an idea how to deal with this ? |
| 09:54.43 | \amethyst | eFfeM: same thing every time? |
| 09:54.43 | eFfeM | ftp.us.debian.org is reachable and can be pinged |
| 09:54.43 | \amethyst | um |
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| 09:54.47 | eFfeM | yes, repeatable |
| 09:54.48 | \amethyst | wait, why is it trying to get the release from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 09:54.55 | \amethyst | when you said http:// |
| 09:55.22 | eFfeM | because that is the command I gave (see above) |
| 09:55.26 | Eulex | eFfeM, it's supposed to be ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release. |
| 09:55.38 | \amethyst | oh, right |
| 09:55.40 | eFfeM | according to what is on http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apds03.html.en (section D.3.3) |
| 09:55.44 | Eulex | I assume you need to tell it http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 09:56.03 | \amethyst | yeah, and that's what's in that guide |
| 09:56.13 | \amethyst | but if you said http://, why is it trying ftp:// ? |
| 09:56.15 | Eulex | indeed |
| 09:56.16 | dalias | \amethyst, re: gfdl |
| 09:56.23 | dalias | i heard an amusing comment |
| 09:56.33 | dalias | that now, debian's "vrms" is more accurate than the real thing :) |
| 09:56.39 | eFfeM | using ftp gives the same error |
| 09:56.47 | \amethyst | dalias: haha |
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| 09:57.01 | \amethyst | eFfeM: yes, you still need the /debian at the end |
| 09:57.16 | eFfeM | yes, just tried that, it works, thanks alot |
| 09:58.09 | eFfeM | actually lost the /debian part during cut & paste |
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| 10:00.01 | eFfeM | seems to work like a charm now (trying to install an out of the box debian on usb for booting my eeePC) |
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| 10:00.44 | \amethyst | dalias: someone should distribute a book under the GFDL full of source code in invariant sections :) |
| 10:00.52 | dalias | haha |
| 10:01.05 | jacekowski | i have problem with debian |
| 10:01.07 | jacekowski | Error, eth0: netlink: No such process |
| 10:01.23 | jacekowski | or similar errors when i try to do anything with network |
| 10:01.41 | Eulex | is the driver for your network card loaded? |
| 10:01.45 | jacekowski | when i boot from livecd then everything work |
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| 10:01.50 | dalias | the thing is, i understand rms's motivation about unmodifiable literary works and whatnot |
| 10:01.56 | dalias | but they don't have a place in manuals |
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| 10:02.00 | eFfeM | is there also a good procedure to get a debian source tree on my PC so I can patch and recompile the kernel should eeePC specific changed be needed ? |
| 10:02.16 | jacekowski | then i chroot to broken system |
| 10:02.21 | Noboru | i need help guys,i need a logo contains linux mysql apache mysql,i cant find it, 720x250 res or so |
| 10:02.31 | jacekowski | and if i do anyhing then i get same error |
| 10:02.48 | Eulex | eFfeM, apt-get install the linux-source package you want? |
| 10:02.52 | jacekowski | outside chroot everything is still fine |
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| 10:03.09 | Eulex | Noboru, you might benefit googling for LAMP |
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| 10:03.32 | yos87 | hi |
| 10:03.52 | eFfeM | Eulex, yes, I think so, is the name of the package linux-source |
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| 10:04.14 | Eulex | !tell eFfeM about search |
| 10:04.23 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 10:04.24 | Noboru | hmm |
| 10:04.36 | yos87 | I have question, how can I change the date format appear on Gnome? |
| 10:04.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats the syntax to download from a DD's debian.org personal apt archive? i've got "deb http://people.debian.org/~jordi/debian/ ./ etch" in my sources.list, and i get the error "E: Malformed line 15 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (absolute dist)" |
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| 10:05.01 | robboplus | what can i do if box just reported that it run out of mem and killed mysqld because of that... now it won't let me ssh in... is it possible to stabilize it somehow? it responds to ping |
| 10:05.07 | \amethyst | dalias: as I see it the problem is it's too easy to exploit |
| 10:05.27 | \amethyst | a problem |
| 10:05.32 | eFfeM | !tell did not work, but just trying did; thanks for the info Eulex (and bear with me, it has been a year or so since I tweaked linux sources) |
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| 10:06.12 | Eulex | eFfeM, ? |
| 10:07.10 | Eulex | eFfeM, there's no single linux-source package. there are one per kernel version. dpkg should have told you how to search for packages, so you should have been able to search for packages containing linux-source |
| 10:07.15 | \amethyst | dalias: hm, things are really bad if CDs are "media that commonly have printed covers" |
| 10:07.58 | kodess | are useful points of upgrading from etch to lenny worth its harmful ones? |
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| 10:08.37 | TTT | hi, how do I find packages from repository that depend on package X? |
| 10:08.56 | eFfeM | Eulex, confused; apt-get install linux-source just started to install the 2.6.22 kernel (which is probably because the ubuntu system I am typing this from and runnign this on is 2.6.22) |
| 10:09.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | TTT, rdepends |
| 10:09.07 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 10:09.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 10:09.09 | eFfeM | so linux-source seems to exist |
| 10:09.25 | Eulex | eFfeM, there's no linux-source package in debian. obviously there is one in ubuntu, though. |
| 10:09.34 | eFfeM | ah, ok |
| 10:10.08 | eFfeM | issue is that I want to get a clean debian system for my eeePC and I am using my desktop PC as a host/development system |
| 10:10.25 | eFfeM | that is also why i am here and not in #ubuntu |
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| 10:10.29 | kodess | TTT: apt-get --no-download ? |
| 10:10.43 | robboplus | folks, what has gone wrong if login takes forever? is it totally dead now? |
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| 10:10.58 | Eulex | eFfeM, you want to download and install a debian kernel tree on a ubuntu box? |
| 10:11.46 | eFfeM | nooooh |
| 10:11.59 | TTT | kodess, i just searched through Packages.bz2, i found what I needed |
| 10:12.11 | Eulex | eFfeM, because apt-get install linux-source on an ubuntu system will get you an ubuntu kernel source tree... |
| 10:12.51 | eFfeM | Eulex, I have an eeePC which is a small laptop with only flash storage. First thing I want to do is to create a bootable usb disk for this eeePC (which is what I am doing now) |
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| 10:13.15 | TTT | to be more exact, I didn't find what I needed. We have libjingle that does voice over Jabber, and no clients depending on it... |
| 10:13.16 | eFfeM | but after that I want to be able to add some eeePC specific patches to the kernel, hence my questions to recompile |
| 10:13.38 | eFfeM | but recompiling on a system with only 4GB of storage does not seem to be a good idea |
| 10:13.58 | eFfeM | so want to compile a debian kernel on my current ubuntu system |
| 10:14.03 | dalias | eh? |
| 10:14.10 | dalias | compiling kernel does not need 4gb |
| 10:14.18 | dalias | it needs a few hundred megs |
| 10:14.49 | eFfeM | ok, so i could try a native compile |
| 10:14.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | eFfeM, build a debian chroot. |
| 10:15.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | a full chroot is 300~mb, a buildd chroot is ~150mb |
| 10:16.00 | eFfeM | Kamping_Kaiser, do you have a pointer to a place where to find some info on this (how to do that) |
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| 10:16.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | eFfeM, look at debootstrap, i'd suggest wiki.debian.org for a guide to using it |
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| 10:16.45 | eFfeM | ok, thanks! |
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| 10:17.14 | eFfeM | will do (and probably bother you later with more questions <grin>) |
| 10:18.39 | chickenFuego | hello. I just compiled a module (et131x, for ethernet) and everything worked fine after make modules_install, depmod -a, and modprobe. After a reboot, it works too. My question: I didn't insert the module name in /etc/modules, so how is it automatically loaded? (I had to add modules names in /etc/modules as I was under gentoo) |
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| 10:20.53 | lagaluga | hi |
| 10:21.06 | lagaluga | i m not use dpkg-reconfigure locales command |
| 10:21.23 | lagaluga | error |
| 10:21.27 | lagaluga | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 10:21.36 | lagaluga | how to? |
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| 10:36.23 | Nagasar | does debian etch have some defaults for uploaded files(trough php-scripts) |
| 10:36.49 | h4rm0ny | Hello. Hoped somebody could point me in the direction of a How To (or else just tell me if what I want can't be done). I'm setting up a small intranet server for a client and I want to know if it is possible to customise an install CD so that I can auto-configure their network settings, root passwords and even install specific packages and some files. That way, they can get themselves up and running again if in the future they have a hardware |
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| 10:38.28 | jean-charles | Which arch iso netinstall to download for a Core Duo laptop? |
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| 10:40.03 | macsim | hi, anybody use munin with postgrey plugin ? I can't stop this plugin to show: line 68: /var/log/mail.log: Permission denied |
| 10:41.06 | gryfel | silly question..... if I use a dvb-t/s/c revciever, I could use always a analoge-tvcard? |
| 10:42.10 | Deng_ | hi at all the people in the room...I'm one of those converted from windows to linux and 'playing' with it for some months now...learned to setup Debian from a netinstall and put what I want in it...now I'd like to build a firewall; I read Rusty Russell packet filtering howto and got the basis of ipfilter...what's next? where should I find a more deep lecture, maybe with some script examples as a point of departure...I |
| 10:42.10 | Deng_ | even tried arno's script, but ain't understood too much...:) |
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| 10:44.00 | russo | hey guys i want to partition my disk... i'm sort of confused about extended versus primary |
| 10:44.18 | nvz | russo: you are allowed 4 primary partitions only |
| 10:44.24 | russo | nvz: right i know |
| 10:44.34 | russo | but i'm not sure if i'm setting up extended correctly |
| 10:44.36 | macsim | russo, so do 3 primary and the rest in extended |
| 10:44.37 | nvz | russo: an extended partition is a primary partition that contains logical partitions |
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| 10:44.56 | russo | macsim: that was my question exactly :) |
| 10:45.04 | nvz | russo: so if you need more than 4 partitions you can only have 3 primary, cause your 4th has to be the extended one |
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| 10:45.15 | russo | :) |
| 10:45.16 | russo | ok |
| 10:45.17 | macsim | :) |
| 10:45.28 | russo | and then do i just add the partitions to the extended as normal |
| 10:45.41 | nvz | russo: this is why the logical partitions start with number 5 |
| 10:45.50 | russo | right i noticed that also |
| 10:45.56 | russo | but in fdisk they still appear the same |
| 10:46.06 | russo | i mean i don't see a difference atleast |
| 10:46.22 | macsim | russo, you'll not see a difference |
| 10:46.27 | russo | hwo big should my root be if i'm going to have seperat partitions for /var /home and /usr |
| 10:46.32 | nvz | russo: its just mostly a work around for an old legacy limitation |
| 10:46.41 | macsim | russo, 2gb is good size (for me) |
| 10:46.45 | russo | ok |
| 10:46.59 | russo | i mean theres a raid 5 there also... but thats another story |
| 10:47.18 | russo | openbsd 4.2 was giving me too much grief with my hardware :( |
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| 10:47.43 | nvz | russo: it all depends on your usage. I for one have some 40GB+ in /srv/samba and/or /srv/www |
| 10:47.44 | russo | and the 4 250GB drives don't want to just sit around for too much longer :D |
| 10:48.11 | russo | hmm /srv thats a good name, mate |
| 10:48.15 | russo | i think i might use that |
| 10:48.20 | nvz | russo: its in the FHS |
| 10:48.29 | nvz | ~fhs |
| 10:48.30 | apt | rumour has it, fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 10:48.30 | russo | stuff like /raid and /hdb seems a bit cheesy :P |
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| 10:48.51 | russo | cool! |
| 10:49.28 | nvz | russo: its loosly defined in the FHS, but I take it to mean where large ammounts of data for remote services goes.. I'd use it for anything that uses lots of data mail, http, samba..etc |
| 10:49.52 | nvz | russo: I never liked the idea of /var/ being used for mail and web |
| 10:50.12 | russo | well... :P |
| 10:50.21 | russo | i never liked /exports being in /etc |
| 10:50.34 | nvz | russo: and for samba-only users I often make them their own user accounts with shells set to /bin/false and homedirs inside /srv/samba/ instead of /home |
| 10:50.54 | nvz | just seems more organized to me |
| 10:51.03 | russo | right, well i do that too... but since its just me around here... :P |
| 10:51.12 | nvz | heh |
| 10:51.13 | russo | nah i need guest log-in on my samba |
| 10:51.24 | russo | cuz i have enough people dump backups on my servers |
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| 10:51.36 | nvz | well I'd encourage all users to read through the FHS sometime.. its a good outline for giving your an idea of how to organize things |
| 10:51.52 | russo | right |
| 10:51.53 | nvz | as the admin you are free to change or interpret that outline anyway you want |
| 10:51.53 | russo | will do |
| 10:51.56 | macsim | nvz, you are absolutly right |
| 10:52.04 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make in KDE that all windows and apps start in the mode where they were closed? ff and thunderbird and xchat start always in small windows instead of fullscreen |
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| 10:52.43 | russo | HardDisk_WP: something that kde specific, i would ask in #kde |
| 10:53.12 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: thats a confusing way to ask that question, but I think I know what you mean. No idea how to do it in KDE though.. I second asking kde users specificially |
| 10:53.28 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 10:53.37 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 10:53.45 | nvz | in my wm (sawfish) I set "matched windows" and tell windows how I want them to appear |
| 10:54.05 | nvz | and in nautilus for example with its spatial view mode it does that automatically |
| 10:54.10 | nvz | remembers window size and position |
| 10:55.25 | nvz | KDE is just such a slow and ugly pile of spaghetti code that I can't even stand to use it |
| 10:55.46 | russo | whats the command to copy the partition table from one drive ot the next |
| 10:55.49 | russo | fdisk -s ? |
| 10:56.03 | nvz | no idea, never wanted to do such a thing |
| 10:56.30 | nvz | its not like making a partition table is hard, and its not all that common I have identical drives |
| 10:56.31 | russo | well i need to copy the table to create a raid1 |
| 10:56.36 | nvz | but I understand you have a raid.. |
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| 10:57.12 | nvz | which is one case you could save a whole 60 seconds creating multiple tables v.s. wasting time figuring out how to copy them :P |
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| 10:58.36 | russo | i want to know how |
| 10:58.45 | russo | also i can't remember all the partitions i just made |
| 10:58.51 | russo | i'm in the cd shell |
| 10:58.52 | russo | :P |
| 10:59.01 | russo | its too much work |
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| 11:00.31 | russo | hmm i hope i have it under delicious |
| 11:00.38 | russo | i usually bookmark that kidn of stuff |
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| 11:20.25 | cast | debsums: no md5sums for gnupg |
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| 11:20.34 | cast | isn't that kinda...sigificant^ |
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| 11:29.37 | war | Is there anyway to run apt-cache search . for a particular repository in my sources.list? |
| 11:29.37 | macsim | chattr is not possible on reiserfs ? |
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| 11:30.53 | cast | well, chattr is in e2fsprogs |
| 11:31.19 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.32 | macsim | cast, oki shame on me :/ |
| 11:31.55 | macsim | cast, possible to do the same on reiserfs ? |
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| 11:32.54 | gnalle_ | Is there a debian repository with old versions of deb-packages? I need to downgrade octave2.9 because the latest version has a bug. The problem is that I cannot find a set of debs of octave2.9 and octave2.9-headers that match up. |
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| 11:33.04 | cast | dunnno man |
| 11:33.14 | cast | gnalle_: yeah, there is...now if only i could remember |
| 11:33.21 | macsim | cast, thanks a lot |
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| 11:34.15 | cast | gnalle_: ahh, i was thinking of http://archive.debian.org/, which isn't quite what you want - its old versions from old releases |
| 11:34.30 | gnalle_ | OK |
| 11:34.56 | cast | gnalle_: are the old packages still in your apt cache? :) |
| 11:35.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnalle_, snapshots.debian.net |
| 11:35.05 | gnalle_ | I can just search google for the debs, but that I would like something automatic. |
| 11:35.18 | gnalle_ | No I just did apt-clean (silly me) |
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| 11:35.53 | cast | snapshot* |
| 11:36.17 | gnalle_ | THanks |
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| 11:43.39 | eFfeM | hm, where do i download boot.img/gz to make a bootable usb disk ? |
| 11:44.09 | eFfeM | section 4.4.1 of the manual |
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| 11:47.13 | nkuttler | eFfeM: should be described somewhere in section 4... obtaining install media or so |
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| 11:47.55 | eFfeM | nkuttler, that only gives a link where to get the iso's not boot.img.gz |
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| 11:49.15 | nkuttler | eFfeM: wrong. read section 4. all of it. |
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| 11:49.43 | HN5 | !info nvidia-kernel-common |
| 11:50.00 | HN5 | !dpkg nvidia-kernel-common |
| 11:50.20 | eFfeM | nkuttler, oops, sorry, thanks alot! |
| 11:50.41 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 11:51.59 | HN5 | Finally I'm getting somewhere with this! |
| 11:52.04 | HN5 | :) |
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| 11:54.35 | mortal | does anyone else here have a problem with stopping a md device where the / partition is while shutting down? |
| 11:54.40 | mortal | md0: still in use |
| 11:54.46 | mortal | and resync in the next boot, annoying |
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| 11:55.15 | frido | Hi, when my mdraid1 is syncing, how can I know which disk while is done sync is source and which is destination ? |
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| 11:56.38 | liable | mdstats doesn't say so? (i cant remember) |
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| 11:58.49 | frido | liable: no :( |
| 11:59.07 | liable | frido: dmesg doesnt say which disk is running? |
| 11:59.40 | muh2000 | hi |
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| 12:00.14 | frido | liable: mdstat: md5 : active raid1 hdc8[1] hda8[0]; 166545728 blocks [2/2] [UU]; [===========>.........] check = 55.0% (91608448/166545728) |
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| 12:01.28 | muh2000 | i want to add a cronjob to cron.d but it complains.... Error: bad username; while reading /etc/cron.d/clamav 10 05,17 * * * * clamav clamscan -i --unrar --tgz --unzip -r /root/ /home/ /tmp/ /etc/ | mail -s "Virus Scan alles 12 stunden 05 und 17 uhr ClamAV Report" root@localhost |
| 12:02.00 | frido | liable: dmesg nothing :( |
| 12:02.06 | frido | liable: nothing usable |
| 12:02.09 | liable | frido: i would guess its hda8 thats getting synced. unless someone else here knows for sure, i guess you have to consult the docs :) |
| 12:02.52 | frido | liable: it doesn't depends on [1] [0] :) |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkfs.dos' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | wow, laaag |
| 12:05.20 | nkuttler | muh2000: looks like too many *s |
| 12:06.01 | mohamed_ | hello all, i want to create vdr only system, how to make kernel boot faster, ? |
| 12:06.12 | muh2000 | nkuttler: thnx no error after cron restart :) i think i should go to bed :( |
| 12:07.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | mohamed_, recompile it? |
| 12:07.51 | mohamed_ | Kamping_Kaiser, yes, but i don't know what is needed and what is not in it, is there any doc that i can know what is needed for this ? |
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| 12:08.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | mohamed_, i think theres a guide to rebuilding on the wiki, and that tells you (iirc) |
| 12:09.01 | nkuttler | mohamed_: look what modules are loaded with a debian kernel, compile them. although i guess that disabling unnecessary services will be more useful... |
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| 12:09.13 | Remoter | ftp://anonymous:anonymous@80.109.44.199:32767 |
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| 12:09.31 | mohamed_ | thx, Kamping_Kaiser nkuttler , |
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| 12:10.44 | h4rm0ny | Hello. Can anyone point me in the direction of a How To (or else just tell me if what I want can't be done) for making a custom install CD? I want to auto-configure network settings, root passwords and copy some specific files across. Familiar with Linux, but not super-advanced. Many thanks if you can start me off. |
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| 12:11.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | h4rm0ny, look at the preseeding guide |
| 12:12.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | its in the docs on debian.org |
| 12:12.07 | bzed | or look at FAI |
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| 12:12.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | fai is a head F*k |
| 12:12.25 | bzed | http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 12:12.36 | bzed | not true Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 12:12.57 | Fabio_Como | how can i restart sshd listening on a different port without modifying config file? (so that after reboot i can eventually have back the default port if something goes wrong) thanks. |
| 12:12.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | bzed, i found it that way when i tried it a while back (meaning ~6-9 months) |
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| 12:13.02 | bzed | if you have to setup several thousand computers, probably remotely, it's the only choice |
| 12:13.08 | bzed | Kamping_Kaiser: ^^ |
| 12:13.31 | bzed | Fabio_Como: why reboot? |
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| 12:14.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | bzed, yes, thats true enough. i'd probably have suggested it if he specified several thousand machines ;) |
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| 12:14.07 | mascodo | what the minimum requirement of memory RAM to install Debian ??? |
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| 12:14.14 | Fabio_Como | bzed: i have just remote ssh access on it.. so before changing the config file.. i would like to test if everything is ok with the new port.. |
| 12:14.15 | mascodo | 4.0 |
| 12:14.19 | art1 | hi. how should i list contents of a deb file? |
| 12:14.19 | mascodo | Debian 4 |
| 12:14.24 | beardy | !ig mascodo |
| 12:14.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | and at that level yes, the complexity is ok, but for 5-10 systems, its way to complex to make worth while (imo) |
| 12:14.33 | bzed | Fabio_Como: change the config, restart ssh from within yor session and try to connect again. just don;t close your old connection, it'll happily live until you've fixed it ;) |
| 12:14.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | bzed, ^^ (sorry) |
| 12:14.42 | beardy | ~ig mascodo |
| 12:14.43 | Fabio_Como | ah ok |
| 12:14.44 | h4rm0ny | Kamping_Kaiser & FAI - THANKS! Didn't know the right terminology to search on. Pre-seeding looks exactly what I want. |
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| 12:14.55 | Fabio_Como | i supposed that on restarting my ssh will break current connection |
| 12:15.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | mascodo, about 32mb iirc (maybe64) |
| 12:15.03 | bzed | Fabio_Como: no |
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| 12:15.32 | bzed | Fabio_Como: and still - there's no need to reboot if you want to change one service's config files. |
| 12:15.36 | beardy | mascodo: The install guide tells you. Probably 32MB, as said. |
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| 12:15.46 | bzed | Fabio_Como: just restart this service. /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 12:15.51 | beardy | !i-g |
| 12:15.51 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 12:16.40 | Fabio_Como | bzed: yes, i know it :) but i mean that i would like to try the new port without changing the "config file", so if evventuallyu i would be locked out... i can restart the machine.. and sshd will start reading its config |
| 12:17.18 | Fabio_Como | but if you say that restarting ssh will not break current connection |
| 12:17.20 | Fabio_Como | i can try it |
| 12:17.27 | beardy | Fabio_Como: You can listen on several ports.. I hope.. |
| 12:17.51 | beardy | Fabio_Como: No, it wont break running connections if you restart it. |
| 12:17.58 | Fabio_Como | ok |
| 12:17.59 | Fabio_Como | i try |
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| 12:18.52 | beardy | Fabio_Como: If you really want to safeguard, make an @reboot root cronjob copying a good config back, and then restart sshd, perhaps. |
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| 12:19.11 | beardy | Fabio_Como: Don't forget to remove it when you don't need it anymore though. |
| 12:19.19 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.32 | Zvpun | I need to SHA1 a given string, is there a tool that can do that for me? |
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| 12:20.23 | cast | Zvpun: sha1sum |
| 12:20.41 | beardy | petemc: But in the configuration of the "default" sshd, can one have several ports to listen on, or have several deamons started, without making a copy of it manually, the whole config and startup scripts and so on? |
| 12:20.53 | SNow | Hi, I have verlihub on debian, the problem that it reaches 209 users and stops, no one can connect, it responses but does not accept the connection, I've increased the limits of sysctl somaxconns, ulimit -n sort nofile 10240 in limits.conf what could it be else?! |
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| 12:20.56 | petemc | beardy: yes |
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| 12:22.38 | Fabio_Como | I did it.. now it works on the new port.. great :) |
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| 12:23.18 | Elive_user53 | Greets, everyone... |
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| 12:24.34 | Fabio_Como | thank bzed and beardy |
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| 12:25.03 | Elive_user53 | Probably a dumb question - I'm wanting to download the testing release of Lenny. I take it I just need to follow one of the links under "the current weekly snapshot of Debian testing" found here - http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 12:25.42 | evil_belgian | hello people |
| 12:25.42 | petemc | sounds about right |
| 12:25.44 | Fabio_Como | is there a way to check if the kernel i have installed on the machine allows the mounting of swap files? |
| 12:25.51 | Elive_user53 | petemc, That was to me? |
| 12:25.54 | petemc | yes |
| 12:26.00 | Elive_user53 | Cool, thanks. :-) |
| 12:26.02 | Zvpun | cast: thank you |
| 12:26.14 | petemc | Fabio_Como: swapon /file |
| 12:26.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | Fabio_Como, if it can mount swap partitions, it can mount swap files |
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| 12:27.10 | Fabio_Como | it's a virtual server, i have just 256mb of ram. i would like to setup some of my hd space as swap file.. but maybe the gave me a kernel that cannot mount them.. so i would like to check if that kernel module exists or not :) |
| 12:27.41 | Fabio_Como | the dist is a debian etch, but i think they give it with customized kernel |
| 12:27.58 | petemc | just try it |
| 12:28.00 | Fabio_Como | (by default it was a centos) but i asked a debian etch |
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| 12:28.52 | Buffer | hi |
| 12:29.15 | frido | liable: it looks, not possible to show while syncing, which drive is source and which destination :( |
| 12:29.38 | Buffer | I was wondering if anyone could throw me some good ideas about our backups solutions. We've got 1 server without raid and 1 server with sw-raid |
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| 12:30.11 | Buffer | Should we just put rsync-command to crontab and roll the server without raid-backup to the raid-backed server everynight |
| 12:30.34 | cast | raid-backup sounds funny |
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| 12:30.43 | nkuttler | a raid is no backup |
| 12:30.44 | Buffer | well, yeah, a bit wrong term |
| 12:30.46 | Buffer | i know |
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| 12:31.07 | nkuttler | Buffer: i like backuppc |
| 12:31.15 | Buffer | backuppc? |
| 12:31.22 | cast | i like rdiff-backup :D, or rsnapshot, |
| 12:31.28 | petemc | i like dirvish |
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| 12:32.05 | petemc | i moved from rdiff-backup to dirvish, and i plan to look at backuppc sometime in the future |
| 12:32.08 | Elive_user53 | petemc, So would this one - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso - be all I need? Just making sure because I'm seeing CD-1 through CD-26 on that page. |
| 12:32.10 | cast | maybe have whatever you're backing up on an lvm volume so you can take a snapshot and back that up, |
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| 12:32.38 | cast | petemc: oh, what shortcoming of rdiff-backup did you feel there was? |
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| 12:33.46 | Buffer | dirvish seems to be rather simple and useful |
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| 12:35.03 | petemc | cast: i dont recall any one thing, but after using them both a fair bit, i find dirvish easier to set up and recover files from |
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| 12:35.20 | petemc | Elive_user53: cd1 should be fine |
| 12:35.25 | Buffer | in what form does the dirvish store the data? |
| 12:35.33 | Buffer | is it some own spec or does it create for example tars? |
| 12:35.40 | petemc | its hardlinks |
| 12:35.44 | Elive_user53 | petemc, oh ok. just out of curiosity, what are all the other ones for? |
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| 12:36.02 | petemc | Elive_user53: they contain debian packages |
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| 12:36.12 | Buffer | petemc: hardlinks? :> |
| 12:36.14 | Elive_user53 | got cha... cd-1 would be gnome, right? |
| 12:36.34 | petemc | Buffer: theres nothing special, the files are stored on disk "normally" |
| 12:36.46 | Buffer | ah, ok |
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| 12:36.58 | Buffer | hmm.. that must take quite a lot of space though |
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| 12:37.09 | petemc | Buffer: theres just one copy of each file, the rest are hardlinks |
| 12:37.25 | Buffer | wait a minute,,, im not catching this now |
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| 12:38.38 | Elive_user53 | ok, i'm off. thanks again, petemc |
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| 12:39.05 | Buffer | we've got 2 300gb hdd's with only about 30 gb of used space in the disk 1. When we take a backup with dirvish the backup takes 30 gb of space right? |
| 12:39.20 | petemc | Buffer: http://pastebin.com/m613c4457 |
| 12:39.21 | Buffer | but then if we take a second backup in the next day it takes less? |
| 12:39.39 | Buffer | aha |
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| 12:40.16 | Buffer | dirvish doesnt re-backup those files which aren't edited etc |
| 12:40.34 | petemc | right |
| 12:40.40 | Buffer | ok |
| 12:40.51 | Buffer | basicly rsync uses the same method i think |
| 12:41.18 | petemc | not without some coaxing it doesnt |
| 12:41.26 | petemc | thats what dirvish/backuppc etc are for |
| 12:41.37 | Buffer | ok |
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| 12:41.58 | Buffer | I gotta test it soon |
| 12:42.25 | Buffer | In the server where we don't have the sw-raid, i could store the backups to the second hdd |
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| 12:43.09 | yannf | hello, i have this error message: "lilypond: Symbol `scm_i_freelist' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking" |
| 12:43.22 | yannf | it seems that it comes from guile |
| 12:43.29 | yannf | http://www.nabble.com/compiling-t4335400.html |
| 12:43.34 | yannf | any idea please? |
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| 12:44.04 | yannf | i have guile 1.8.1+1-5 from lenny |
| 12:44.28 | faemir | is anyone good with portforwarding here? |
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| 12:45.23 | xlotlu | how can i find out which app has my mouse grabbed? |
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| 12:47.16 | xlotlu | it was the one called low mouse batteries.. |
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| 12:49.40 | liable | stupid keepnick |
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| 12:53.28 | yannf | this seems related to this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=439923 |
| 12:56.30 | rubymonk | Hello everyone :) I have an issue I fail to understand... http://www.pastebin.ca/760862 May anyone help me on it please ? |
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| 12:57.07 | rubymonk | If I set /etc/network/interfaces to deal with eth0, I get the same error... |
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| 12:57.57 | asg | rubymonk: you need a broadcast <ip> line |
| 12:58.07 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 12:58.13 | rubymonk | *need* ? |
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| 12:58.22 | asg | rubymonk: and a netmask |
| 12:58.24 | rubymonk | I never define it and it works usually |
| 12:58.34 | rubymonk | Crap |
| 12:58.41 | rubymonk | I wrote network instead of netmask |
| 12:58.43 | rubymonk | stupid me |
| 12:58.49 | rubymonk | thank you asg |
| 12:58.56 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 12:59.24 | rubymonk | An other question... |
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| 12:59.48 | rubymonk | I deleted /etc/udev/rules.d/z25.... but udev re-creates it after boot... why ? |
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| 13:06.30 | bzed | rubymonk: because of z45...something...generator |
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| 13:08.15 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 13:08.27 | rubymonk | !help z25 |
| 13:08.44 | rubymonk | !help z45 |
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| 13:09.21 | h3sp4wn | rubymonk: Are you trying to delete the one relating to ethernet interfaces ? |
| 13:09.37 | rubymonk | yes |
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| 13:09.54 | rubymonk | Actually, I don't want it to mess with my network interfaces |
| 13:09.59 | liable | !z25 |
| 13:09.59 | dpkg | z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 13:10.13 | rubymonk | ah, ok |
| 13:10.15 | rubymonk | both |
| 13:10.18 | h3sp4wn | rubymonk: The kernel will almost certainly mess with it at some point |
| 13:10.19 | rubymonk | Thanks liable |
| 13:10.20 | rubymonk | :) |
| 13:10.24 | liable | np |
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| 13:16.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make in a math formula the | smybol? |
| 13:17.15 | HardDisk_WP | and does anyone know a easy-to-use math formula creator? I knew there was some, but dunno where |
| 13:17.23 | et | i think you picked the wrong channel |
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| 13:17.40 | cast | LaTeX is good for maths |
| 13:17.59 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: emacs and tex |
| 13:18.40 | xoz | HardDisk_WP: \| |
| 13:19.15 | rubymonk | Just wondering... Why udev feels like it shall rename my interfaces... out of wanting to bug me out... |
| 13:19.15 | rubymonk | ? |
| 13:19.18 | HardDisk_WP | something in a GUI, i meant |
| 13:19.20 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
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| 13:19.34 | HardDisk_WP | xoz, doesnt work at S({x sub 1 + x sub 2} over 2\|f({x sub 1 + x sub 2} over 2\)) |
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| 13:20.39 | cast | xemacs and tex |
| 13:20.47 | cast | :D |
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| 13:21.18 | xoz | HardDisk_WP: is this latex? what language? |
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| 13:21.32 | cast | that's not latex |
| 13:21.35 | HardDisk_WP | i'd rather mean something like the integrated formula editor of Openoffice, but as external application |
| 13:21.48 | HardDisk_WP | cast, isnt latex and this mathml stuff the same? |
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| 13:22.08 | flixil | hello |
| 13:22.16 | cast | what does wikipedia use? |
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| 13:23.49 | xoz | HardDisk_WP: if you use math formula and write scientific paper, latex+kile are ok. |
| 13:23.52 | HardDisk_WP | cast, dunno, but i dont need that for wikipedia...rather for a school presentation |
| 13:24.17 | cast | 'Mathematical Markup Language (MathML) is an application of XML' ahh i'd say mathml and latex are very different |
| 13:24.51 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_editor |
| 13:25.23 | HardDisk_WP | aah |
| 13:25.24 | HardDisk_WP | oomath |
| 13:25.30 | HardDisk_WP | this is what i searched for |
| 13:25.32 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: don't think there is any decent wysiwyg stuff for latex |
| 13:25.53 | cast | wysiwyg is against the spirit of latex :) |
| 13:26.25 | h3sp4wn | cast: I know but this university loves that crap and they don't have anything to do latex that way |
| 13:26.32 | flixil | I've got "usb 1-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" plugin (and using) a hard drive usb 2.0 in an old pc and using ehci_hcd. It works fine in my laptop. The old pc didn't have 2.0 usb just 1.1 so i bought a 2.0 usb pci card. In that 2.0 usb pci card my pendrive usb works fine with ehci_hcd |
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| 13:26.37 | cahoot | h3sp4wn: don't approve of LyX? |
| 13:27.26 | h3sp4wn | cahoot: Everytime I tried it it crashed after even just a short amount of pages |
| 13:27.52 | cahoot | I see |
| 13:28.10 | flixil | (i meant that the pendrive didn't work neither) |
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| 13:29.13 | cast | h3sp4wn: what does it matter what your uni loves, ssh out. leave them to writing their 200 page theses in MS word, its not your problem :) |
| 13:29.35 | dutchfish | flixil, does this "pendrive" contain software fro windows like U3? |
| 13:29.38 | h3sp4wn | cast: Doesn't matter whatsoever |
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| 13:30.07 | h3sp4wn | cast: I was just saying that if something that was suitable for doing tex in a word like way they would have paid any price for it |
| 13:30.37 | flixil | dutchfish, pendrive and harddrive are works on my laptop with 2.0 and have just a ext3 partition so they doesn't have windows software |
| 13:30.55 | h3sp4wn | cast: and if it was free (in any sense) they would definately use it - (I am happy with emacs) |
| 13:31.22 | cast | h3sp4wn: why would they use it over MS word? |
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| 13:31.52 | h3sp4wn | cast: Everyone uses it for typesetting maths its the standard way to do it |
| 13:32.35 | Eulex | h3sp4wn, tries lyx? |
| 13:32.37 | Eulex | *tried |
| 13:32.47 | cast | ahh. |
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| 13:33.26 | dutchfish | flixil, /msg dpkg about usb mount |
| 13:33.27 | flixil | dutchfish, do you have any idea? |
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| 13:34.31 | flixil | dutchfish, i don't want to have them automatically mounted... I just want them to work properly :) I'm first trying mounting them manually |
| 13:34.54 | flixil | fsck.ext3 makes that resets even without "mounting" the device |
| 13:35.07 | flixil | but just on the old pc |
| 13:35.57 | dutchfish | flixil, what does dmidecode tells you? |
| 13:36.49 | dutchfish | flixil, if old pc, did you try flipping the bios switch "legacy mode"? |
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| 13:37.29 | dutchfish | flixil, for usb, that is |
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| 13:38.41 | dutchfish | flixil, i asume you are using etch? |
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| 13:39.19 | chibi_killstick | logout |
| 13:39.35 | jubei | i'm trying to install php5-gd and aptitude wants to also install a ton of x11 libraries, WHY?:) |
| 13:40.05 | dutchfish | jubei, because of gd |
| 13:40.16 | jubei | dutchfish: x11-common ? |
| 13:40.24 | dutchfish | jubei, yup |
| 13:40.31 | jubei | *sigh* ok |
| 13:40.45 | jubei | dutchfish: thanks. |
| 13:41.24 | dutchfish | jubei, you could first check dependicies |
| 13:42.05 | jubei | dutchfish: what good will that do?:) |
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| 13:42.28 | dutchfish | jubei, to make sure your system is in good state before install php5-gd actually |
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| 13:43.12 | jubei | dutchfish: it's ok it's a fresh server , non-x11 install . upgraded updated etc |
| 13:43.23 | dutchfish | jubei, ok then |
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| 13:44.25 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 13:46.29 | asg | jubei: aptitude will by default install recommends while apt-get doesn't. php5-gd relies on a number of x libraries. |
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| 13:47.28 | Kartoffelsalat | is it possible to list all users and all groups as root? i need an overview |
| 13:47.39 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, w |
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| 13:48.34 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, or all users: cat /etc/passwd or groups: cat /etc/group |
| 13:48.36 | Kartoffelsalat | dutchfish: w shows only the logged in users :( |
| 13:48.44 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, yup |
| 13:48.47 | Kartoffelsalat | dutchfish: ok, i will try |
| 13:48.59 | asg | Kartoffelsalat: then look at /etc/passwd and /etc/group (or use getent) |
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| 13:49.27 | Kartoffelsalat | man is a user?ß? |
| 13:49.49 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, yup |
| 13:50.15 | Kartoffelsalat | so much users... wow - thanks - this is what i searched :) |
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| 13:52.07 | Kartoffelsalat | which gid and uids i should use for website-stuff (f.e. fcgid @ apache2) |
| 13:52.07 | Kartoffelsalat | i wanted to use 1001 upwards - but those are allready in use. which ids are normally free to use? |
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| 13:52.40 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, man passwd (actually you can use any - but 1000+ for normal users) |
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| 13:53.04 | Kartoffelsalat | oh, thanks - i will read this |
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| 13:53.10 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, man adduser too |
| 13:53.15 | asg | Kartoffelsalat: also, see adduser(8) and adduser.conf |
| 13:53.35 | asg | Kartoffelsalat: specifically, the 'system' option |
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| 13:54.11 | mathrick | hi |
| 13:54.29 | mathrick | what was that magic command to combine a deb-src and updated upstream tarball into an updated deb-src? |
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| 13:54.41 | Kartoffelsalat | how can i see adduser(8) directly? |
| 13:54.51 | asg | Kartoffelsalat: man 8 adduser |
| 13:54.52 | mathrick | Kartoffelsalat: man 8 adduser |
| 13:54.58 | Kartoffelsalat | ups... thanks |
| 13:55.51 | mathrick | gah, I always forget |
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| 13:56.05 | dutchfish | mathrick, dpkg --merge you mean? |
| 13:56.41 | stew | mathrick: uupdate? |
| 13:56.41 | mathrick | dutchfish: so such option in my dkpg |
| 13:56.50 | mathrick | stew: ooh, probably that |
| 13:56.58 | mathrick | no wonder it escapes completion on update* |
| 13:57.13 | stew | your completion sounds one-sided |
| 13:57.31 | mathrick | stew: update<TAB> completes stuff that starts with update |
| 13:57.53 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a math plotter gui? (i enter a formula and it plots the graph of the formula) |
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| 13:58.53 | cast | gnuplot |
| 13:59.03 | samfreed | Why do I not get an upgrade to linux-image-2.6.23 ? |
| 13:59.09 | samfreed | (unstable) |
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| 13:59.26 | stew | samfreed: becuase 2.6.23 isn't in debian yet |
| 14:00.06 | samfreed | stew: and why is that? |
| 14:00.09 | dutchfish | samfreed, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
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| 14:00.36 | TheSkyIsFalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.36 | cast | tar's been running for an our, using up both cpus :\ |
| 14:00.42 | TheSkyIsFalling | ops, sorry |
| 14:00.43 | stew | samfreed: becuase nobody has uploaded a package yet |
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| 14:00.58 | asg | cast: are you taring up google? |
| 14:01.14 | cast | just ~/ |
| 14:01.21 | asg | eep |
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| 14:01.36 | asg | cast: are you excluding /proc and /sys? |
| 14:01.46 | cast | i try not to mount those in ~/ :D |
| 14:02.01 | asg | cast: sorry, the tilde didn't show up well on this screen |
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| 14:02.25 | HardDisk_WP | cast, how do I call the gnuplot gui? |
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| 14:03.09 | cast | gnuplot> plot x**2 |
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| 14:03.39 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
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| 14:04.02 | cast | you can zoom around on graph and stuff |
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| 14:04.21 | cast | i like the output of R plots more personally |
| 14:04.29 | techouse | could someone tell me a good ftp client for linux? |
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| 14:04.43 | dutchfish | techouse, graphical or comandline? |
| 14:04.44 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 14:04.56 | jafonso | I already have grub installed, starting a distro. if I want to install another distro then start it through grub, all I have to do is update menu.lst on the previously installed distro's /boot/grub, right? |
| 14:04.57 | cast | dutchfish: he said good! |
| 14:05.07 | techouse | graphical |
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| 14:05.09 | dutchfish | cast, techouse ftp |
| 14:05.12 | asg | jafonso: yes |
| 14:05.22 | cast | techouse: lftp, ncftp, are both good. lftp is most powerfulest. neither are graphical. gftp is, though. and is a PITA |
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| 14:07.25 | techouse | and a good firewall? |
| 14:07.30 | techouse | except iptables |
| 14:07.53 | cast | iptables. |
| 14:07.58 | Ronin | whats wrong with iptables? |
| 14:08.09 | abrotman | !be a iptables barbie |
| 14:08.09 | dpkg | Aww, iptables is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 14:08.10 | xoz | shorewall, guarddog, etc |
| 14:08.12 | techouse | takes a lifetime to set up |
| 14:08.19 | Ronin | techouse: on the contrary |
| 14:08.29 | abrotman | techouse: so what .. try to learn something .. might be useful |
| 14:08.40 | techouse | well...i found kmyfirewall |
| 14:08.41 | Ronin | just requires some reading and learning, just like anything new does |
| 14:08.47 | techouse | it's a gui fr iptables |
| 14:09.12 | techouse | but it reported me some errors when trying to install the options into iptables |
| 14:09.18 | stew | techouse: fwbuilder is a gui will write an iptables script for you |
| 14:09.19 | dutchfish | techouse, if you dont grasp the inners of netfilter nor contrack, look at smoothwall express as a dedicated solution |
| 14:09.29 | Ronin | or ipcop |
| 14:10.22 | dutchfish | techouse, its debian based and has i simple web interface and does th ejob |
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| 14:10.40 | cdleonar2 | I have a wierd problem |
| 14:10.48 | Ronin | dutchfish: smoothwall is debian based? since when? |
| 14:10.49 | cdleonar2 | leo@fluffbox:~$ sudo -s |
| 14:10.49 | cdleonar2 | sudo: unable to resolve host fluffbox |
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| 14:11.18 | techouse | i'm getting fwbuilder |
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| 14:11.26 | dutchfish | Ronin, since 3.0 i suppose. i didnt say smoothwal i said smoothwall express |
| 14:11.26 | cdleonar2 | I'm on debian but I did ubuntu's sudo setup by myself |
| 14:11.41 | cdleonar2 | so I don't have a root password; if sudo doesn't work I'm locked out |
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| 14:12.10 | asg | cdleonar2: you can always reboot to single user if that happens |
| 14:12.23 | cdleonar2 | I want to avoid that |
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| 14:12.44 | stew | cdleonar2: what does "getent hosts fluffbox" return? |
| 14:12.46 | cdleonar2 | btw; fluffbox is not in /etc/hosts |
| 14:12.55 | cdleonar2 | nothing |
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| 14:13.01 | stew | cdleonar2: you'd probably have to fix that |
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| 14:13.15 | cdleonar2 | I can't edit /etc/hosts |
| 14:13.16 | cdleonar2 | :D |
| 14:13.28 | cdleonar2 | but hostname returns fluffbox |
| 14:13.54 | mathrick | mathrick@hatsumi:/tmp/sbcl-1.0.10$ cat /etc/hostname |
| 14:13.54 | mathrick | hatsumi |
| 14:14.00 | boulbul | hi, I have just updated my debian system on my laptop ibm x60... I am running lenny version. For some reason, my battery is not fully charging and only last for 30min, but before it used to last for nearly 2 hrs. any clues please |
| 14:14.11 | cdleonar2 | leo@fluffbox:~$ cat /etc/hostname |
| 14:14.11 | cdleonar2 | fluffbox |
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| 14:14.41 | cdleonar2 | I updated my system earlier today with synaptic and it worked |
| 14:14.42 | xoz | cdleonar2: boot with init=/bin/bash, mount -o remount,rw / ... edit hostname, change password. |
| 14:14.46 | stew | cdleonar2: can you maybe make fluffbox resolve via dns? (like, do you have access to this box's dns server)? |
| 14:14.54 | cdleonar2 | stew: no |
| 14:15.42 | cdleonar2 | xoz: I wanted to avoid that :( |
| 14:15.44 | max__ | hello everybody, i just installed debian and i can't figure with googling and wiki.debian.org how to setup direct rendering. Xorg is correctly configured and drm module is loaded correctly. This is the x error : (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. Any tip please ? |
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| 14:15.58 | max__ | of course, glxinfo reports Direct Rendering to be off |
| 14:16.25 | Batchy | boulbul : powertop is your best friend |
| 14:16.37 | biz | in which file are global locale settings defined? (i know af dpkg-reconfigure locales but where does it write to?) |
| 14:16.50 | max__ | i suppose that the part that i miss is what i do on gentoo with eselect ... |
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| 14:17.39 | boulbul | Batchy: is that a software? |
| 14:19.01 | dutchfish | boulbul, http://www.linux.com/feature/62091 |
| 14:19.17 | boulbul | Batchy: thanks man |
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| 14:21.18 | dutchfish | !locales |
| 14:21.18 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 14:21.50 | HNS | Hello, I get : "Package nvidia-settings is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 14:21.50 | HNS | when I do the oneliner |
| 14:22.51 | HNS | anybody knows what could be wrong? |
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| 14:24.35 | dutchfish | HNS, you are running etch? |
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| 14:24.41 | HNS | yes |
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| 14:24.48 | HNS | verse installatie |
| 14:25.21 | dutchfish | HNS, ceck your /etc/apt/sources.list - nvidia-settings is in etch |
| 14:25.48 | dutchfish | HNS, then apt-get install nvidia-settings |
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| 14:25.59 | HNS | dutchfish I did |
| 14:26.04 | HNS | check |
| 14:26.14 | HNS | I added non-free |
| 14:26.17 | dutchfish | HNS, what does it say? |
| 14:26.38 | dutchfish | HNS, pool/contrib/n/nvidia-settings/nvidia-settings_1.0+20060516-3_i386.deb |
| 14:27.26 | dutchfish | HNS, what architecture? |
| 14:27.35 | flixil | dutchfish, sorry i was away, yes i'm using etch |
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| 14:28.58 | flixil | dutchfish, I'm rebooting to search for that bios option of legacy |
| 14:29.03 | makk | hi, spamd is not logging in mail.log but in syslog - how can i change that? |
| 14:29.17 | makk | it used to be mail.log |
| 14:29.45 | HNS | dutchfish is there something wrong with that file? |
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| 14:30.10 | dutchfish | HNS, not at my site, but ther eis only support for 32bit intel |
| 14:30.28 | dutchfish | HNS, what architecture? |
| 14:30.32 | HNS | amd |
| 14:30.40 | HNS | sempron 32 bit |
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| 14:31.05 | dutchfish | HNS, thats the reason, no support for amd yet |
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| 14:31.19 | HNS | But |
| 14:31.25 | HNS | wot |
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| 14:31.41 | makk | hi, does anyone have any idea? |
| 14:31.53 | HNS | fuck |
| 14:32.08 | makk | i just can't figure out why spamd is logging in syslog in stead of mail.log |
| 14:32.12 | HNS | And the nvidia installer does have support |
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| 14:32.45 | dutchfish | HNS, i dont know, i dont use nvidia, you have to dig in there website for there closed drivers |
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| 14:35.21 | dutchfish | HNS, i know i would be pissed too, maybe mailing them releasing open source drivers will help? i hope, but dont think so |
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| 14:36.03 | Asmooh | where is the inetd restart scriot? |
| 14:36.05 | Asmooh | o=p |
| 14:36.24 | Asmooh | oh |
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| 14:36.29 | Asmooh | openbsd-inet |
| 14:36.30 | flixil | Here dmicode output of the oldpc (old is about 8 years old i think) http://rafb.net/p/z7zmoR44.html |
| 14:36.51 | flixil | maybe less... 6 maybe |
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| 14:38.35 | makk | hi, is there somebody who can help me out with spamassasin? |
| 14:39.04 | HNS | dutchfish but it doesnt say a word about it in the debian wiki |
| 14:39.26 | Ronin | makk: theres no doubt a spamassassin channel |
| 14:39.44 | makk | but i think this is a debian specific thing... |
| 14:39.54 | makk | but i can have a try |
| 14:40.14 | wols_ | dutchfish: please don't talk bollocks. |
| 14:40.33 | wols_ | dutchfish: and if you tell people to use nvidia drivers without reason, YOU will be tasked tos upport them, forever |
| 14:40.58 | dutchfish | HNS, http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=lenny&package=nvidia-settings |
| 14:41.09 | dutchfish | wols_, i don tlak bollocks |
| 14:41.11 | wols_ | dutchfish: he said ETCH |
| 14:41.17 | wols_ | you talk a lot of it |
| 14:41.38 | wols_ | dig in there website for there closed drivers <- pure bollocks |
| 14:41.39 | dutchfish | http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=etch&package=nvidia-settings |
| 14:41.43 | wols_ | HNS: it's in contrib |
| 14:41.58 | dutchfish | wols_, i said that plz read back |
| 14:42.05 | wols_ | dutchfish: and AMD not having support frm nvidia is even MORE bollocks |
| 14:42.05 | makk | join #spamassasin |
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| 14:42.45 | Pedro420 | nvz : nandrew ? |
| 14:42.56 | HNS | wols_: ahh, can you help me out ?^^ |
| 14:42.58 | dutchfish | wols_, i said the package nvidia-settings has only been build i386 look in the repos |
| 14:43.03 | wols_ | HNS: I just did |
| 14:43.20 | HNS | okey |
| 14:43.26 | wols_ | dutchfish: and what is a 32bit sempron exactly? |
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| 14:43.55 | yos872 | Hi, |
| 14:44.02 | yos872 | how can I conver the ape files to mp3 files? |
| 14:44.03 | wols_ | HNS: < wols_> HNS: it's in contrib |
| 14:44.04 | HNS | i386 |
| 14:44.06 | dutchfish | wols_, amd |
| 14:44.38 | wols_ | dutchfish: strangely enough I can't find a "amd" platform in debian. can you? |
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| 14:45.07 | HNS | wols_: lol |
| 14:45.12 | HNS | be easy on him :p |
| 14:45.24 | dutchfish | wols_, how do you explain his error? if you want me to gun down, while trying to help, fine by me, but help |
| 14:45.44 | wols_ | dutchfish: I already did. what error? that he hasn't contirb in his sources? |
| 14:45.45 | flixil | wols_, at least amd_64 is there |
| 14:46.03 | wols_ | and "amd" with which you mean amd64 I guess, certainly won't work on his CPU |
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| 14:46.14 | dutchfish | wols_, hehe |
| 14:46.18 | wols_ | flixil: no it isn't. and we were not talking about amd64 |
| 14:46.21 | flixil | wols_, please stop it :) |
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| 14:47.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: just never ever refer people to nvidia.com unless you have a really good reason to do so |
| 14:47.18 | wols_ | at least not while in #debian |
| 14:47.30 | kornerr | why doesn't Debian Etch 4.0 have QTDIR environment variable set? |
| 14:47.34 | dutchfish | ai captain |
| 14:47.38 | flixil | I've got "usb 1-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" plugin (and using) a hard drive usb 2.0 in an old pc and using ehci_hcd. It works fine in my laptop. The old pc didn't have 2.0 usb just 1.1 so i bought a 2.0 usb pci card. In that 2.0 usb pci card my pendrive usb doesn't works fine with ehci_hcd neither. |
| 14:47.43 | wols_ | kornerr: why should it? |
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| 14:48.02 | flixil | I pasted dmicode output of the pc here http://rafb.net/p/z7zmoR44.html |
| 14:48.03 | kornerr | because qtconfig says: ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES |
| 14:48.03 | kornerr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:48.31 | kornerr | so i wondered how to search for a qt installation with configure :$ |
| 14:49.09 | wols_ | kornerr: and? do you want it to have the approriate gtk variable set too and all the other ones you might ever need when you compile one of the 20000 packages in debian? your environment will be bigger than program memory |
| 14:49.23 | wols_ | kornerr: is the -dev package installed? |
| 14:49.25 | kornerr | lol |
| 14:49.49 | kornerr | yes |
| 14:50.07 | wols_ | kornerr: dpkg -L it then |
| 14:50.49 | kornerr | hm... |
| 14:50.52 | Batchy | kornerr: /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian.gz tells you that ''If you need to set QTDIR, do export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3'' |
| 14:51.02 | kornerr | well, hehe) |
| 14:51.06 | kornerr | manually, it's clear |
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| 14:52.12 | wols_ | kornerr: put it /etc/environmentif it bothers you so |
| 14:52.17 | kornerr | no |
| 14:52.20 | kornerr | doesn't bother me |
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| 14:53.24 | HNS | holy shit, thank you wols_ |
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| 14:54.30 | HNS | Is there a multiple monitor feature in debian? |
| 14:54.56 | hathe | HNS: xrandr |
| 14:55.04 | wols_ | no. well there is, X can do it just fine, but you have to edit your xorg.cof manually to use it |
| 14:55.16 | HNS | roger |
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| 14:55.32 | wols_ | so debian doesn't help you to set it up |
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| 14:55.41 | HNS | kde does :p |
| 14:55.42 | VladimirZ | hi, can someone help me witch ISO file can i download and install it just to have basics installation packages |
| 14:55.49 | VladimirZ | i dont need full installation |
| 14:55.55 | petemc | the netinst |
| 14:55.58 | wols_ | VladimirZ: netinsta. the 150MB ISO |
| 14:56.05 | wols_ | *netinst |
| 14:56.06 | VladimirZ | ok |
| 14:56.15 | FalscherHase | HNS: if you are on debian unstable and have Xorg 7.3 you could try grandr, that's graphical |
| 14:56.24 | hathe | HNS: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 14:56.43 | HNS | thank you for the hints |
| 14:57.15 | VladimirZ | do you have any suggestion i want to install debian on my pc but i have laptop aswel with distro is ok for supporting laptops?* |
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| 14:57.37 | flixil | VladimirZ, i've got debian on my laptop as well |
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| 14:58.18 | VladimirZ | flixil: cool ty |
| 14:58.33 | VladimirZ | flixil: and you use gnome or kde? |
| 14:58.41 | flixil | xfce4 |
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| 14:59.08 | flixil | I used to use ion before the dev wanted that change of names :) |
| 14:59.40 | VladimirZ | xfce4? :) |
| 14:59.49 | abrotman | !xfce |
| 14:59.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Etch: aptitude install xfce4 ; add " xfce4-goodies" to that line for even more plugins. |
| 15:00.04 | flixil | Exactly that :) |
| 15:00.10 | flixil | !enlightenment |
| 15:00.11 | dpkg | somebody said e was from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite, or http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
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| 15:00.35 | VladimirZ | nice |
| 15:01.07 | flixil | The problem is that e17 is still under development and e16 is stable but not as pretty as e17... |
| 15:01.14 | techouse | how do i open a password encrypted rar file in linux? |
| 15:01.24 | petemc | unrar |
| 15:01.30 | techouse | ark just crashes when trying to do so |
| 15:01.31 | VladimirZ | e=enlightenment? |
| 15:01.32 | Ronin | then put in the password whenit askes |
| 15:01.50 | flixil | VladimirZ, yes |
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| 15:01.55 | flixil | techouse, do you know the password? |
| 15:02.00 | techouse | yes |
| 15:02.24 | VladimirZ | flixil: where can i see screenshot of e17 |
| 15:02.53 | techouse | well..i started downloading a non encrypted rar now |
| 15:03.01 | flixil | VladimirZ, there is a cdlive called elive that uses debian + enlightenment and some goodies also... you can try it (installed is not as good as debian itself so use it as cdlive better) |
| 15:03.13 | flixil | techouse, unrar x -p password file i think |
| 15:03.31 | flixil | techouse, unrar x -ppassword file i think |
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| 15:03.56 | petemc | unrar -e should prompt for the password |
| 15:05.26 | flixil | No idea about my usb2.0 problem? :( |
| 15:05.34 | linio | VladimirZ: look at: http://zdjecia.wonder.pl/skrinszoty/e17_5 |
| 15:06.15 | linio | an old e17 screnshot |
| 15:06.29 | flixil | VladimirZ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jyg0SYCI6U |
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| 15:07.24 | VladimirZ | ty |
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| 15:08.09 | kornerr | i have another dumb question |
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| 15:08.30 | VladimirZ | let me install debian on laptop |
| 15:08.31 | VladimirZ | brb |
| 15:08.42 | flixil | How can i know if a usb2.0 pci card is working properly? |
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| 15:09.14 | kornerr | why does /usr/lib/qt3 contains only plugins, but doesn't contain anything else? where as /usr/share/qt3 contains the real qt3 *without* plugins which is a symlink to /usr/lib/qt3/plugins ? |
| 15:09.35 | kornerr | i'm just curios :$ |
| 15:09.44 | flixil | kornerr, i supose it's because of lfs |
| 15:09.46 | flixil | !lfs |
| 15:09.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 15:09.52 | flixil | no not that xD |
| 15:09.56 | kornerr | lol |
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| 15:10.07 | biopyte | hi, 'aptitude-upgrade' tells me 'The following packages have been automatically kept back: ...' and 'The following packages have been kept back: ...'. What does this mean? |
| 15:10.08 | flixil | !lhs |
| 15:10.08 | dpkg | lhs is, like, Left Hand Side |
| 15:10.11 | flixil | ... |
| 15:10.15 | kornerr | lol |
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| 15:10.20 | kornerr | are you kidding? |
| 15:10.28 | kornerr | )) |
| 15:10.30 | flixil | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
| 15:10.35 | kornerr | hm |
| 15:10.40 | kornerr | that makes sense now) |
| 15:10.41 | flixil | I never remember that xD |
| 15:10.48 | flixil | !fhs |
| 15:10.48 | dpkg | [fhs] Unlike Gobolinux or <OS X>, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
| 15:11.12 | kornerr | ok, thanks |
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| 15:14.40 | biopyte | and what does 'score is 119' mean? |
| 15:14.44 | HardDisk_WP | if I have a modem and a PC and a flatrate for my mobile phone, can I use my PC as a internet gateway? |
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| 15:15.32 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: you can use a computer as a gateway, yes |
| 15:15.40 | HardDisk_WP | so that I can get into the internet from my mobile phone via my PC |
| 15:15.44 | VladimirZ | flixil: you still here? |
| 15:15.54 | HardDisk_WP | ok, does debian have any packages for that stuff? |
| 15:16.07 | petemc | ipmasq |
| 15:16.09 | Cephexin | HardDisk_WP: yep, but you should check your mobile's access privilege, for example firewalls on the mobile and such and the phenomenon of letting the connection being established |
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| 15:16.42 | petemc | whenever ive used the network on my mobile, ive got a private address in the 10.0.0.0 range |
| 15:17.06 | Cephexin | HardDisk_WP: yes, have you ever used TuxMobile suite? |
| 15:17.13 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: how would your phone connect to your pc? |
| 15:17.18 | HardDisk_WP | via modem |
| 15:17.19 | flixil | VladimirZ, yes i am |
| 15:17.33 | Cephexin | HardDisk_WP: the package name is "tuxmobil" |
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| 15:17.54 | HardDisk_WP | Cephexin, is not in testing :( |
| 15:17.56 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: your mobile would dial your computer? |
| 15:17.58 | VladimirZ | flixil: i just need a help with partitions, i have 35gb disk and 1gb ram, can you suggest how should i create partitions |
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| 15:18.19 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: sounds like you want a ppp server |
| 15:18.27 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 15:18.29 | flixil | VladimirZ, make the cd guess the best partitioning and you'll be fine |
| 15:19.03 | flixil | VladimirZ, or just make a 256MB swap partition, a 3GB / partition and the rest for home |
| 15:19.30 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, if a ppp server is that kind of program, which acts as a dial-up internet provider, then yes |
| 15:19.31 | flixil | maybe 5GB for / you've got plenty and so you won't run out off |
| 15:19.38 | VladimirZ | why only 256mb for swap? |
| 15:20.00 | VladimirZ | isnt 2xram=swap |
| 15:20.02 | VladimirZ | ? |
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| 15:20.10 | flixil | VladimirZ, because you've got 1GB of ram and you surely won't ever use that ram |
| 15:20.24 | VladimirZ | ok |
| 15:20.27 | Cephexin | HardDisk_WP: sounds like you want to share your internet on the mobile device, if so, you are going to do it through bluetooth connectivity |
| 15:20.31 | flixil | VladimirZ, maybe for little amounts of rams... but you can live without swap |
| 15:20.32 | HardDisk_WP | eh no |
| 15:21.01 | Cephexin | HardDisk_WP: so whatcha wanna do? |
| 15:21.02 | HardDisk_WP | you know, normally you establish a modem connection on your phone to a number of your provider to get internet on the phone |
| 15:21.08 | HardDisk_WP | but this costs a lot |
| 15:21.09 | VladimirZ | flixil: ok ty |
| 15:21.11 | VladimirZ | brb |
| 15:21.42 | HardDisk_WP | so I want to have at my modem at home a machine, which serves as a provider... |
| 15:21.59 | HardDisk_WP | because with my flatrate it doesnt cost me anything to go to internet then... |
| 15:22.15 | Cephexin | hum, it should be done well unless you're not going to use GPRS or somesuch man |
| 15:22.16 | suppaman | flixil: he can run out of space |
| 15:22.17 | suppaman | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:22.17 | suppaman | /dev/hda2 3.6G 3.0G 606M 84% / |
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| 15:22.47 | suppaman | I wonder how could I make the systema thinner |
| 15:23.00 | HardDisk_WP | Cephexin, yepp...but I need some piece of software on my PC which serves as a gateway |
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| 15:23.08 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: a ppp server |
| 15:23.19 | redtape | does anyone recommend a way of writing to an NTFS partition from linux? |
| 15:23.24 | redtape | or is that a bad idea? |
| 15:23.36 | flixil | suppaman, well so i said best 5GB for / (i just got 3GB for /) |
| 15:23.39 | Cephexin | HardDisk_WP: You need a Wireless Router, afterward you should enable mobile internet sharing on your modem |
| 15:23.40 | suppaman | redtape: doesn't the ntfs driver allow you to ? |
| 15:23.44 | dutchfish | !ntfs-3g |
| 15:23.44 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 15:23.57 | redtape | hmm ok |
| 15:23.58 | Cephexin | HardDisk_WP: this is the neat one, which uses GPRS or so, but costs, so the second solution is to use a PPP server |
| 15:23.58 | suppaman | flixil: I think I should clean cache or so |
| 15:24.00 | kornerr | cu |
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| 15:24.07 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 15:24.08 | flixil | suppaman, apt-get clean? |
| 15:24.13 | suppaman | already done ;-) |
| 15:24.16 | suppaman | autoclean too |
| 15:24.19 | redtape | a few people on various forums i have looked on recommend not to write onto an NTFS partition |
| 15:24.24 | redtape | they say it is dangerous |
| 15:24.26 | redtape | is it? |
| 15:24.31 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: but you will only get about 9600 baud |
| 15:24.35 | suppaman | now I've 640Mb free |
| 15:24.36 | flixil | redtape, it was with the earlier drivers |
| 15:24.44 | asg | wols_: it's good enough for irc :) |
| 15:24.51 | wols_ | asg: and ssh |
| 15:24.52 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i know, but better that lil' bit for free, than paying for it |
| 15:25.33 | redtape | so what is the best driver to get then? |
| 15:25.40 | redtape | ntfs-3g? |
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| 15:25.47 | mathrick | redtape: AFAIK the userspace NTFS driver should be pretty stable with writes |
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| 15:25.54 | wols_ | redtape: it's the only driver if you want to write to NTFS |
| 15:26.06 | redtape | sorry, what do you mean by userspace? |
| 15:26.08 | dutchfish | redtape, if you have you have i choice i would prefer a native fs, but thats not always possible, ntfs-3g hasnt let me down so far |
| 15:26.19 | wols_ | !userspace |
| 15:26.31 | wols_ | redtape: the opposite of kernelspace |
| 15:26.32 | flixil | redtape, anyway... if you wanna use a pendrive with ntfs... maybe it's better to install ext3 driver on windows and use ext3... |
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| 15:27.02 | redtape | what i want to do is have a partition that both windows and linux can write to |
| 15:27.14 | petemc | use fat |
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| 15:27.22 | flixil | wols_, does it refers about what the trap or int or syscall asm instruction does kernelspace and userspace? |
| 15:27.23 | redtape | is fat not a bit crap though? |
| 15:27.27 | petemc | no, its fine |
| 15:27.30 | redtape | ok |
| 15:27.36 | petemc | has its limits, but its tried and tested |
| 15:27.37 | wols_ | flixil: does what? |
| 15:27.50 | redtape | so, I'll reformat the partition so that its fat rather than ntfs then |
| 15:27.56 | redtape | ill do that in a bit |
| 15:27.57 | flixil | wols_, use the hardware level 0 or 4 |
| 15:28.16 | flixil | the same as when you do a syscall that you int (or trap or syscall) |
| 15:28.28 | wols_ | flixil: there is no "hardware level 4" (there is no 0 either but I guess I know what you wanted to say there) |
| 15:28.34 | redtape | and that means that I can give myself read/write access to it from linux |
| 15:28.40 | redtape | would i be correct? |
| 15:28.46 | wols_ | flixil: it means the context unedr which it is executed |
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| 15:28.53 | wols_ | redtape: yes |
| 15:29.04 | redtape | ok, thanks for the help guys, i appreciate it |
| 15:29.19 | flixil | no no context... context means a change from wait to run zombie... |
| 15:29.27 | wols_ | !tell redtape about vfatrw |
| 15:29.31 | flixil | i mean a change in level... (sorry for my bad english xD) |
| 15:29.40 | wols_ | flixil: yes context. it means a bit more than you'd think |
| 15:29.57 | redtape | thanks wols |
| 15:30.14 | flixil | ok (but i think that the word context is overexploted xD) |
| 15:30.26 | flixil | I did understand the kernelspace then :) |
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| 15:31.22 | flixil | btw what was the maximum size of a fat windows partition? |
| 15:31.38 | capiira | go wikipedia |
| 15:32.06 | capiira | you will find infos about all partition types there |
| 15:32.36 | capiira | max file & partition size |
| 15:32.39 | capiira | etc. |
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| 15:33.38 | dutchfish | capiira, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 15:34.21 | capiira | i dont need it, its flixil! |
| 15:34.55 | dutchfish | sorry, my misread |
| 15:34.58 | capiira | :) |
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| 15:36.10 | flixil | :) |
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| 15:41.02 | ruben | Hello, under linux how can I do fsck.ntfs or something to /dev/hda1 (windows) ? |
| 15:41.49 | wols_ | ruben: you can't |
| 15:42.04 | ruben | wols_: :( |
| 15:42.25 | ruben | exists windows live CD or something? |
| 15:42.44 | wols_ | this is #debian, not #windows. ask elsewhere |
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| 15:43.09 | dutchfish | ruben, this is offtopic, but try save mode and shedule a disk check and reboot in windows |
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| 15:43.32 | ruben | ok thanks, also |
| 15:43.37 | ruben | if I run an vmware on linux, can I mount my windows partition? |
| 15:43.45 | ruben | using vmware with windows |
| 15:43.49 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 15:43.49 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 15:44.17 | Eulex | ruben, there's ntfsfix. but that's hardly an fsck. |
| 15:44.22 | jazbo2185 | hmmm I can't seem to use any of the actual editing commands in audacity (trim, cut etc...) |
| 15:44.41 | ruben | dutchfish: sorry for offtopic here, but, I think that my disk fsck fails and all time reboot before 'windows' logo ... :P |
| 15:45.04 | wols_ | ruben: we odn't care. this is #debian and not #windows or #hardware or whatever |
| 15:45.06 | Eulex | wols_, not completely offtopic. there's fsck.vfat. |
| 15:45.15 | ruben | thanks for ntfsfix! |
| 15:45.36 | dutchfish | ruben, last resort you can try booting of an install cd login at prompt and use the recovery tools, if not: you are lost |
| 15:46.06 | ruben | thanks dutchfish && cya |
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| 15:47.39 | n00n_c | hi |
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| 15:49.12 | jazbo2185 | All the editing commands show "disabled" in audacity. How can I enable editing commands in audacity??? |
| 15:49.55 | Vlad | hi all i would like to know what package must i install to have "man printf" -.- |
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| 15:50.25 | wols_ | !tell Vlad about search |
| 15:51.11 | h3sp4wn | Vlad: depends which printf |
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| 15:54.23 | the_sniff | what could possibly cause a crontab to not run? |
| 15:54.40 | itchi | the_sniff: Wrong command? |
| 15:54.47 | the_sniff | other than cde that is :p |
| 15:54.51 | the_sniff | hmm just a sec |
| 15:55.07 | itchi | I like fortune: |
| 15:55.11 | itchi | You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely. |
| 15:55.17 | the_sniff | 1 * * * * /home/www/sites/stars.co.il/www/new2/admin/mailling/crontab/send_to_reg.php 2>>/var/log/cron.stars.co.il 1>>/var/log/cron.stars.co.il |
| 15:55.18 | itchi | :-p |
| 15:55.21 | the_sniff | thats the command |
| 15:55.33 | the_sniff | and the file is empty (i created it) |
| 15:55.50 | itchi | the_sniff: Does that php script been output some stuff? |
| 15:56.01 | the_sniff | Yup |
| 15:56.10 | itchi | the_sniff: Wich user runs that? And have he read access to that file and write to the output? |
| 15:56.52 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 15:57.10 | the_sniff | yes |
| 15:57.18 | the_sniff | its the apache user and it has access |
| 15:57.35 | itchi | the_sniff: Not to write i guess |
| 15:57.41 | the_sniff | nope |
| 15:58.08 | DustyBin | "In my opinion MS is a lot better at making money than it is at making good operating systems." - Linus Torvalds |
| 15:58.49 | the_sniff | no doubt about that:> |
| 16:00.05 | dutchfish | DustyBin, yup, arghh ... http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39290511,00.htm |
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| 16:00.07 | the_sniff | itchi running it from the same user works |
| 16:00.07 | the_sniff | btw |
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| 16:00.45 | eegore | is there a way to do a bit for bit copy of a disk at command line |
| 16:00.52 | phogg | eegore: dd |
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| 16:01.12 | eegore | can I dd to an image? |
| 16:01.19 | phogg | eegore: yes |
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| 16:03.00 | VladimirZ | flixil: hey, still here? |
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| 16:04.53 | flixil | VladimirZ, yes... |
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| 16:05.04 | the_sniff | itchi: seems that is ok when im running it without a 'sun' to make it run each sunday |
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| 16:06.11 | VladimirZ | flixil: i installed debian without X packages, can you tell me how can i install X packages + xfce4 |
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| 16:06.17 | dimir | This highlighting never stops. |
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| 16:06.31 | dimir | aptitude install xserver-xorg |
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| 16:06.52 | dimir | aptitude install xfce4 |
| 16:06.56 | dimir | NEEEEXT! |
| 16:07.10 | itchi | the_sniff: Pastebin the whole cron line? |
| 16:07.32 | russo | how can i delete a raid array completely? |
| 16:07.44 | flixil | apt-get install xfce4 xorg xfce4-goodies |
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| 16:08.03 | techouse | i installed guarddog....what do i have to enable to listen to internet radios? |
| 16:08.07 | flixil | but xfce4 is not as complete as kde nor gnome... |
| 16:08.11 | techouse | it just won't connect |
| 16:08.19 | flixil | if you are new i recomend you kde or gnome |
| 16:08.20 | russo | i.e. i have /dev/md6 and it has /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 and i want to delete /dev/md6 completely |
| 16:08.36 | the_sniff | itchi: http://rafb.net/p/ScBPro27.html |
| 16:08.51 | techouse | and what do i have to enable to connect to irc via port +7000 |
| 16:08.53 | techouse | ? |
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| 16:09.27 | itchi | the_sniff: Normal |
| 16:09.42 | the_sniff | what do you mean? |
| 16:09.51 | itchi | the_sniff: Replace "sun" with the number of the day of the week |
| 16:09.58 | the_sniff | 1 or 0? |
| 16:10.12 | itchi | the_sniff: Good question :-p |
| 16:10.18 | itchi | the_sniff: Hold on |
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| 16:11.00 | itchi | the_sniff: Sunday = 0 or 7 |
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| 16:11.43 | the_sniff | odd that is worked before |
| 16:11.56 | the_sniff | thanks |
| 16:12.02 | the_sniff | can i see the reference?: p |
| 16:12.21 | itchi | the_sniff: That's in a cron of one of my comps :-p |
| 16:12.29 | the_sniff | oh |
| 16:12.30 | the_sniff | lol |
| 16:12.33 | the_sniff | it must be sure |
| 16:12.41 | the_sniff | cause users getting stuff in sat might be maaad :p |
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| 16:13.13 | itchi | the_sniff: My weekly rsnapshot is done sunday :-p |
| 16:13.21 | the_sniff | k kewl thanks " |
| 16:13.22 | the_sniff | :p |
| 16:13.36 | itchi | the_sniff: http://rafb.net/p/2uqSRz82.html |
| 16:13.44 | itchi | the_sniff: Look to the header |
| 16:13.56 | the_sniff | yeah i see |
| 16:13.57 | the_sniff | thanks :) |
| 16:14.17 | itchi | the_sniff: Paste that in a cron ;-) |
| 16:14.48 | the_sniff | what: D |
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| 16:15.01 | itchi | the_sniff: The header, as reference |
| 16:15.14 | dutchfish | to get day of week in curent locale: date +%u |
| 16:15.24 | the_sniff | itchi oh :p |
| 16:16.10 | itchi | dutchfish: Nice trick ;-) |
| 16:16.22 | russo | gah! this is driving me nuts |
| 16:16.32 | russo | there has to be a way to delete a raid array :P |
| 16:16.33 | the_sniff | itchi is there a certain way to test this? |
| 16:16.52 | itchi | the_sniff: Wait next week :-p |
| 16:17.05 | the_sniff | hehe faster one? |
| 16:17.17 | itchi | the_sniff: Or touch the time/date (not recommended) |
| 16:17.26 | the_sniff | nah its a live server :p |
| 16:17.38 | the_sniff | now that ratchet postfix "p: |
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| 16:17.47 | itchi | the_sniff: Be patient then :-) |
| 16:18.45 | itchi | Can i get bash doing like this? http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/zsh_grml.jpg ls<TAB> |
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| 16:25.29 | vzoric | can anyone tell me how should i edit my sources.list to have evertyhing latest version but not beta |
| 16:25.52 | itchi | vzoric: Avoid that |
| 16:26.09 | vzoric | itchi: why? |
| 16:26.21 | itchi | vzoric: Seeing your question level, i may not sugest you to do that |
| 16:26.43 | DustyBin | vzoric: just rename every instance of etch to lenny |
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| 16:26.55 | DustyBin | then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:27.21 | dutchfish | !lenny |
| 16:27.21 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 16:27.43 | DustyBin | lenny makes a nice desktop, i wouldnt use it on servers though |
| 16:28.00 | Ched | !sid |
| 16:28.00 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
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| 16:28.22 | DustyBin | does anyone here run a sid desktop? ive never tried that before |
| 16:28.52 | Andymeows | I've got a question, I'm trying to install postgresql-8.2 with apt-get, but when I simulate it, it tries to install postgresql-7.4 |
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| 16:28.55 | DustyBin | is kde 4 in sid? |
| 16:29.56 | dutchfish | Andymeows, apt-get install postgresql-8.1 (etch) |
| 16:30.33 | Andymeows | dutchfish, is 8.2 not in the debian repository? |
| 16:30.54 | dutchfish | Andymeows, not in etch as far as i know |
| 16:31.17 | Andymeows | okay, maybe I'll install it from source |
| 16:31.25 | techouse | i try setting up kmyfirewall and it tell sme the following error: sh: /usr/sbin/iptables no such directory |
| 16:32.04 | petemc | its in /sbin/ |
| 16:32.06 | gravity | DustyBin: I don't think it is |
| 16:32.06 | dutchfish | Andymeows, look in backports.org |
| 16:32.25 | Nyle | I have a question regarding pxe-boot. Say for example, you use pxelinux.0 to boot and that in turn passes the control to the debian installer kernel/initrd.gz. The same way, one could pass control to any kernel/ramdisk image? I am trying to basically find out what is required for a pure network boot, no HDD in client etc. |
| 16:32.25 | gravity | DustyBin: Someone on the kde packagers team said that they wouldn't be shipping kde4 with lenny, so I doubt it's in sid |
| 16:32.35 | dutchfish | Andymeows, maybe its there laready? |
| 16:32.53 | DustyBin | ok |
| 16:33.02 | Andymeows | dutchfish, I'm taking a look now |
| 16:33.32 | Andymeows | dutchfish, or maybe I should add the testing repository |
| 16:33.55 | dutchfish | Andymeows, http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/postgresql |
| 16:35.14 | Andymeows | dutchfish, cool, thanks! |
| 16:35.30 | petemc | Nyle: nfsroot |
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| 16:42.10 | russo | how can i check if both my cores are detected |
| 16:42.14 | Nyle | hmm |
| 16:42.18 | Nyle | !info nfsroot |
| 16:42.42 | dutchfish | russo, cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 16:42.45 | Nyle | petemc: what is it? |
| 16:43.14 | petemc | pretty much what the name says |
| 16:43.19 | Nyle | yeh |
| 16:43.20 | russo | dutchfish: i thougth that was just info on my proc in general... not whats actually dtected |
| 16:43.32 | Nyle | I don't understand why I would need that? |
| 16:43.54 | russo | i thougth you could see both in top somehow |
| 16:43.54 | petemc | Nyle: to have a networked root filesystem |
| 16:43.56 | Nyle | because honesty right now I don't even know what I want exctly |
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| 16:44.08 | dutchfish | russo, top press 1 |
| 16:44.17 | russo | ah! ty :D |
| 16:44.26 | Nyle | hmm, petemc is the stock debian kernel able to boot via nfs? |
| 16:44.34 | russo | now i may calm down |
| 16:44.53 | Nyle | petemc: so I would basically be mounting my server / to the client through nfs? |
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| 16:45.09 | petemc | Nyle: right |
| 16:45.20 | Nyle | petemc: that I don't want |
| 16:45.23 | petemc | Nyle: you dont have to go that route |
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| 16:45.37 | Nyle | petemc: I was thinking more like this, and maybe you could advise if this is possible or not |
| 16:46.04 | HardDisk_WP | hi all, i got a problem w/ thinkfinger and a couple of other selfcompiled libraries |
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| 16:46.33 | HardDisk_WP | although /usr/local/lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf |
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| 16:46.44 | HardDisk_WP | apps fault because of not found .so's |
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| 16:46.57 | Nyle | my server is running debian etch. I wanted to take the knoppix or any live cd kernel/initrd.gz and put that into /tftpboot/along with the .iso file, and use the knoppix kernel to boot the iso, since knoppix has cheatcodes in the kernel which allow it to boot from the iso with loop |
| 16:47.05 | HardDisk_WP | they all work only if i run before the app export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/ |
| 16:47.06 | Nyle | so can one run a live cd like this over the network? |
| 16:47.10 | petemc | Nyle: sure |
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| 16:47.18 | petemc | ive not done it, but why not.. |
| 16:47.21 | Nyle | aw wicked |
| 16:47.25 | Nyle | I'm going to try it out |
| 16:47.44 | dutchfish | Nyle, read about live-helper, thats how i did it |
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| 16:47.49 | Nyle | ok |
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| 16:48.04 | dutchfish | Nyle, its in backports or lenny |
| 16:48.11 | Nyle | Livehelper is a customer service tool for your website that enables visitors to instantly receive live help and live support from your personnel. |
| 16:48.14 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:48.28 | dutchfish | Nyle, no, not that one, wait |
| 16:48.32 | Nyle | i know |
| 16:48.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:48.38 | Nyle | !info live-helper |
| 16:48.41 | dpkg | live-helper: (Debian Live helper programs), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.0~a34-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1863 kB, Installed size: 5472 kB |
| 16:48.41 | Nyle | oh you said backports |
| 16:48.52 | dutchfish | Nyle, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:49.04 | eFfeM | hi, i just installed debian on my laptop, but I am missing the atl2.ko module for my network interface, anyone an idea where to get one? (I used etch netinst to install) |
| 16:49.08 | Nyle | its packaged here in main I believe |
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| 16:51.39 | eFfeM | is atl2.ko part of debian ? |
| 16:51.47 | Nyle | which network card is it? |
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| 16:52.51 | eFfeM | attensic ethernet controller (wired), they are now taken over by atheros |
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| 16:53.16 | eFfeM | lots of google hits on it |
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| 16:54.19 | eFfeM | got one from a .21 kernel, but with version check disabled it generates an error if I load it |
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| 16:55.19 | eFfeM | is there a way to find out if this module atl2.ko exists in debian etch? (it is not in netinst) |
| 16:55.35 | dutchfish | eFfeM, apt-file? |
| 16:55.58 | eFfeM | eh, without a network connection this is quite hard ... |
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| 16:56.13 | eFfeM | and the system I am typing this on is not a debian system |
| 16:56.35 | eFfeM | but thanks for the suggestion |
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| 16:56.39 | dutchfish | eFfeM, ok, maybe i can look for you if same architecture and on etch? |
| 16:56.54 | eFfeM | i am on etch, 386 architecture |
| 16:57.02 | dutchfish | eFfeM, hold on |
| 16:57.05 | eFfeM | tnx |
| 16:58.55 | dutchfish | eFfeM, nope |
| 16:59.55 | eFfeM | ok, thanks |
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| 17:00.47 | eFfeM | saw it in the latest #ubuntu but didn't dare yet to load that one as it is a .22 kernel and etch is .18 |
| 17:01.30 | dutchfish | eFfeM, right |
| 17:02.02 | dutchfish | eFfeM, maybe you could use the kernel form backports, maybe its in there? |
| 17:02.27 | eFfeM | hm, didn't think about that, will give it a try |
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| 17:02.48 | dutchfish | eFfeM, that way you can run on etch if you planned for a server |
| 17:03.08 | Nyle | hypnotic, gin, vodka, ice, orange juice |
| 17:03.12 | Nyle | soe other stuff |
| 17:03.26 | dutchfish | chears |
| 17:03.33 | Nyle | I have 1 more computer now than I did before |
| 17:03.40 | Nyle | for a total of 8 |
| 17:03.42 | eFfeM | dutchfish, this is not for a server, but a subnotebook |
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| 17:03.55 | Nyle | I guess I have my heatsource for the winter |
| 17:03.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:03.59 | dutchfish | eFfeM, why not try lenny then? |
| 17:04.10 | Nyle | !lenny |
| 17:04.10 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 17:04.18 | eFfeM | good plan |
| 17:04.24 | Nyle | testing release is always not a good plan |
| 17:04.28 | eFfeM | this is experimental anyway |
| 17:04.33 | Nyle | sometimes, but if you don't know what you're getting into |
| 17:04.45 | Nyle | sure upto testing is supported here |
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| 17:04.48 | eFfeM | ah, i'm a unix oldtimer and i like to live on the edge |
| 17:05.00 | Nyle | eFfeM: then you should look at sid |
| 17:05.00 | dutchfish | eFfeM, its on 2.6.21 if i am not mistaken |
| 17:05.18 | Nyle | eFfeM: if you're an old timer you should be right at home with it |
| 17:05.37 | Nyle | its the lastest stuff, somewhat latest, and yes there are massive issues with it when it breaks or packages are missing or being worked on |
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| 17:05.40 | eFfeM | 2.6.21 would be fine as the eeePC subnotebook I am trying to get this on also natively is on 2.6.21 |
| 17:05.47 | Nyle | but if you put up with all that |
| 17:05.55 | eFfeM | so better chance to use the existing module for wired and even for wireless |
| 17:06.02 | eFfeM | i like challenges |
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| 17:06.11 | Nyle | eFfeM: you like challenges? |
| 17:06.22 | Nyle | help me patch my driver source for my wifi to get injection working |
| 17:06.31 | Nyle | lest I upgrade to a kernel they DO have a patch for |
| 17:06.55 | Nyle | but I like 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 17:07.20 | eFfeM | Nyle sounds indeed like a challenge |
| 17:08.04 | acu | I want to cut 1 min from 3 min mp3 - as usually nothing works - audacity needs some libmp3lame.so and I have only libmp3lame.so.0 can anyone help ? |
| 17:08.24 | Nyle | acu: thats fine |
| 17:08.42 | Nyle | acu: just tell audacity to look for so.0 files and it will be listed in /usr/lib |
| 17:08.48 | Nyle | i think thats where it is anyway |
| 17:08.56 | eFfeM | what version is the lenny kernel? |
| 17:08.59 | Nyle | acu: or just make a symlink from so.0 to so |
| 17:08.59 | acu | Nyle: thanks |
| 17:09.05 | Nyle | eFfeM: not sure |
| 17:09.13 | acu | it seem that it works |
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| 17:09.28 | acu | that is why linux is not for everyone :) |
| 17:09.42 | eFfeM | as there seems not to be a sid iso and I would need to install from PC as the network is not working |
| 17:09.44 | Nyle | it is for everyone |
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| 17:09.58 | Nyle | people have just been brainwashed by shitty software like windows |
| 17:10.31 | Nyle | eFfeM: there isn't any sid iso |
| 17:10.43 | Nyle | eFfeM: do you have an operating system on the system? |
| 17:10.59 | eFfeM | yes, but no network driver |
| 17:11.10 | Nyle | eFfeM: is it wired or wireless |
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| 17:11.31 | eFfeM | no wired network driver, need atl2.ko |
| 17:11.37 | eFfeM | and wireless is atheros too |
| 17:11.40 | jelly-home | eFfeM: there's 2.6.22 in backports.org |
| 17:11.46 | Nyle | how do you know that? |
| 17:12.07 | Nyle | eFfeM: go to this site, and put in the output of lspci etc. it will tell you what you need |
| 17:12.19 | Nyle | just wanna make sure you're looking for the right driver |
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| 17:12.28 | Nyle | my internet is extremely slow |
| 17:12.30 | jelly-home | eFfeM: and there's Kenshi Muto's netinst images with newer kernels, too |
| 17:12.51 | Nyle | jelly-home: ugh |
| 17:12.53 | jelly-home | !kmuto |
| 17:12.53 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:13.05 | Nyle | I guess kenshi's shit works for people |
| 17:13.09 | Nyle | never worked for me |
| 17:13.16 | Nyle | those were the days of 2.6.19 |
| 17:13.22 | jelly-home | works-for-me |
| 17:13.28 | Nyle | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl |
| 17:13.46 | acu | one more question - I want to by a portable device which can: see pdf files, browse internet, see odt excel word, play mp3, play videos and if possible be used as a phone - what is most open device out there which is open source oriented and it works ? (I need something like an Iphone or Blackberry curve) - but open source versions (as much as possible) any sugestions ? |
| 17:13.46 | Nyle | jelly-home: no the image was good, the driver as promised wasn't in there |
| 17:14.16 | Nyle | eFfeM: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl |
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| 17:14.20 | eFfeM | tnx, got it |
| 17:14.28 | eFfeM | lspci lists the device as Atheros Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter (rev a0) |
| 17:14.34 | h3sp4wn | acu: do you need a decent keyboard ? |
| 17:14.36 | jelly-home | Nyle: when I said "works-for-me", I meant I could use it to install on hardware that etch didn't work on |
| 17:14.40 | teekay_ | out of interest |
| 17:14.53 | Nyle | eFfeM: follow instructions on page |
| 17:14.57 | jelly-home | !test |
| 17:14.57 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:15.12 | Nyle | jelly-home: the same reason I used those images, but they failed to initialize my hardware |
| 17:15.33 | Nyle | JMB363 PATA controller, Marvell Yukon gb eth, sky2 |
| 17:15.37 | acu | h3sp4wn: not necessarily - I want more to be able to browse not to message a lot |
| 17:15.41 | Nyle | around jan/feb 2007 |
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| 17:16.04 | Nyle | this images did not help me, so I had to go with a daily |
| 17:16.10 | Nyle | his* |
| 17:16.16 | jelly-home | well, whatever works |
| 17:16.21 | Nyle | yup |
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| 17:18.05 | wols_ | acu: ask a channel where this is on topic |
| 17:19.07 | acu | wols_ which channel (I guess this will be open source linux PDA) - but where should I go |
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| 17:20.44 | wols_ | acu: I don't know but certainly not debian. #hardwre perhaps |
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| 17:21.57 | acu | wols_ thanks - I just thought from 700 debianers few would have gone trough before me |
| 17:21.57 | dutchfish | acu, maybe this: http://intimate.handhelds.org/screens.html |
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| 17:23.01 | eFfeM | hm, neither the wireles or wired chip list a driver in the hcl page |
| 17:23.20 | wols_ | !tell eFfeM about madwifi |
| 17:23.35 | wols_ | eFfeM: as for your atl2 based one, it should work under 2.6.22+ or so |
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| 17:24.32 | eFfeM | wols_ and how do I get such a kernel on my system? |
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| 17:25.18 | wols_ | you've been already told about kmuto. LONG time ago |
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| 17:26.40 | eFfeM | yes, but the hcl does not list my device |
| 17:27.01 | andy_ | i'm running unstable and having some problems with my mouse -- most of the time it works perfect but every once in a while it seems to register 2 clicks -- is anyone else having similar problems? |
| 17:27.33 | andy_ | i searched the bugs and found some similar stuff -- but nothing that seems quite as inconsitent |
| 17:27.36 | DustyBin | ive upgraded my home LAN to base 1000 speed, but it doesnt feel like NFS is going as fast as it should, here is my /etc/exports of the share: /mnt/netstore 192.168.0.3(rw,async,subtree_check) <-- does that look ok for FULL speed NFS ? |
| 17:28.25 | andy_ | also i get this error in my xorg.log "[config/hal] couldn't initialise context: (null) ((null))" |
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| 17:32.49 | dutchfish | wols_, what is your opinion on using a vanilla kernel for this? |
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| 17:33.14 | wols_ | "this" being what? |
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| 17:34.18 | dutchfish | wols_, to use atl2.ko driver |
| 17:34.36 | wols_ | sure, but won't help him for installing |
| 17:34.43 | wols_ | I use a vanilla kernel myself |
| 17:34.52 | dutchfish | wols_, k |
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| 17:35.52 | eFfeM | well roamed around on kmuto site, now downloading etch-custom-1013.iso (there was not really a link on the hcl page) |
| 17:35.58 | eFfeM | see if that cures things |
| 17:36.17 | eFfeM | so probably I'll be quiet for a while :-) |
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| 17:39.29 | cast | i'm trying to understand the xfsdump man page, this part confuses me: ' Note that any new files or directories created in a directory which has the "no dump" attribute set will automatically inherit this attribute. Also note that xfsdump does not check directories for the "no dump" attribute." |
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| 17:39.51 | cast | s/"$/'/ |
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| 17:40.05 | ivoks | hi all |
| 17:40.49 | dutchfish | cast, as far as i expirienced xfs does check for this tribute but not on subdirs when this atrib is set |
| 17:41.07 | cast | so what does the second sentence mean? |
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| 17:41.46 | Ward1983 | what does this mean? FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 17:41.47 | dutchfish | cast, i can be wrong: but that should read i check dir but not subdirs when the no atribute is set |
| 17:41.51 | ivoks | i have a question about debian policy; is it ok to change configuration file or conffile of already installed package in tasksel postinst script of some task? |
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| 17:42.16 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.38 | xsdg | ivoks: you're probably likely to get a better response in #debian-devel on OFTC |
| 17:42.58 | ivoks | xsdg: ok, thanks |
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| 17:43.19 | dutchfish | cast, no, it meant subdirs inherit the no dump atribute (that is if nothing breaks) |
| 17:43.21 | xsdg | np |
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| 17:43.55 | cast | dutchfish: right, anything inside a dir marked no dump isn't dumped |
| 17:44.17 | dutchfish | cast, yep, thats how it should be |
| 17:44.28 | cast | dutchfish: but the next sentence says xfsdump doesn't check dirs for the no dump attribute, which is the opposite of what the previous sentence implies |
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| 17:44.57 | dutchfish | cast, i my expirience replace the word dir for subdir |
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| 17:45.14 | cast | mmm |
| 17:45.16 | cast | its a bug! |
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| 17:45.35 | dutchfish | cast, or an error in the man page, dont know ... |
| 17:45.44 | cast | well, that's a bug :) |
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| 17:45.53 | dutchfish | cast, right ;) |
| 17:46.52 | dutchfish | cast, as info: i stopped using xfs on my xen systems, went back to ext3 |
| 17:47.49 | cast | dutchfish: why? |
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| 17:48.04 | dutchfish | cast, ext3 and nfs4 cooperate much better |
| 17:48.05 | cockroach | hi. i'm trying to auto-start and auto-stop my bluetooth subsystem when i connect/disconnect my bluetooth module. starting works just fine, but it just won't stop it (using udev, btw). is there a way to tell udev to show all the events it receives? or how could i debug this? |
| 17:48.06 | xacier | where do i copy the bitstream fonts to? |
| 17:48.11 | xacier | anyone? |
| 17:48.52 | wols_ | xacier: apt-cache show ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 17:48.55 | dutchfish | cast, the performance loss is minimal ext3 versus xfs |
| 17:49.28 | cast | dutchfish: ohh. and did you set up kerebos[sp] with nfs4? |
| 17:49.43 | et | is there a way to get a certain package (e.g. mplayer) from a certain source (e.g. debian-multimedia)? |
| 17:49.50 | dutchfish | cast, i odnt need it, but i gues it could be done |
| 17:50.15 | wols_ | et: yes |
| 17:50.23 | cast | hmm |
| 17:50.38 | et | so, how do i do it? ;) |
| 17:50.47 | cast | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:50.48 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 17:50.54 | dutchfish | cast, i am also investigating lustre, (testdrive it) it has great promises |
| 17:50.59 | wols_ | by having debian-multimedia in your sources.list |
| 17:51.10 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: xfs is alot faster if its configured for optimum performance (and on a UPS) |
| 17:52.02 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, it depends on what you are reaching for, my first wish is stability, and ways to recover on errors |
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| 17:53.33 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/linux/pdf/Linux-FS-Performance-Comparison.pdf |
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| 17:54.03 | ManxPower | A somewhat off topic question: What do you do to people that come in here asking for help on non-debian distros? We have an issue similar to that on a channel I'm on. Just wanted to see how others handle the issue. |
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| 17:54.31 | wols_ | ManxPower: we tell them to go away |
| 17:54.32 | cast | hmm, i want a program [hg serve] to listen on port 80, but want it to run under a normal system user and not root, any suggestions? it doesn't have capability to drop root privledges after binding that i've seen |
| 17:54.34 | wols_ | e.g. |
| 17:54.38 | wols_ | !tell ManxPower about ubuntu |
| 17:54.40 | petemc | ManxPower: send them to an appropriate channel/forum |
| 17:54.45 | ManxPower | wols_: and if they don't? kick/ban? |
| 17:54.48 | wols_ | ManxPower: /msg dpkg based on debian |
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| 17:55.03 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: That is on 2.4.9 (xfs wasn't even added to the main linux tree until 2.4.18 |
| 17:55.09 | cast | ManxPower: they get approximately ~0 help, and everyone scorns them...seems to always work |
| 17:55.10 | wols_ | the ops will tell them to stop the OT talk and yes, kick or ban if they persist |
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| 17:55.34 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, there are newer on the net, i just radomly picked one |
| 17:55.39 | ManxPower | Thanks everyone! |
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| 17:56.02 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, ext3 has improved alot also |
| 17:56.12 | Ward1983_ | how come this happens? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43285/ |
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| 17:56.34 | suppaman | is there a deb package with X background arts ? |
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| 17:56.44 | suppaman | some cool debianish-art ? |
| 17:56.50 | eFfeM | the .23 kernel from kmuto does not list my network card either |
| 17:57.09 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: and its default configuration is crap - I think I will use a freebsd or solaris express dom0 next time I visit my xen machine anyway (zfs and xen makes sense) |
| 17:57.10 | eFfeM | guess it is really not in, trying to install it anyway just to be safe |
| 17:57.18 | wols_ | eFfeM: does the linux kernel itself (not a debian kernel) support your card? |
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| 17:57.48 | cast | Ward1983_: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable <--that part is why your x didn't start |
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| 17:58.12 | christianp | hi all |
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| 17:58.21 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, i admit it need some tweaking to get optimal results, but thats not a problem |
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| 17:58.35 | eFfeM | wols_: no idea, but it is supported by ubuntu |
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| 17:58.43 | Ward1983_ | cast, thanx |
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| 17:58.46 | christianp | hi all |
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| 17:58.55 | eFfeM | and the compu comes with a .21 kernel with a module for it |
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| 17:59.08 | cast | Ward1983_: i think anyway, i'm presuming EE means error :> |
| 17:59.13 | christianp | problems with apt... a package in unconsistent state block me |
| 17:59.54 | christianp | how can i make it working again? |
| 17:59.54 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, dont forget these are rather quiet new technologies, give it some time |
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| 17:59.55 | Ward1983_ | cast, the markers are there too, EE does mean error :p |
| 17:59.55 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: zfs is reasonably mature now |
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| 18:00.10 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, sure and xfs will eventually improve also |
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| 18:00.18 | Ward1983_ | LOL omg what happened to my xorg.conf haha |
| 18:00.28 | Ward1983_ | load "glx" on a pda hahahaha |
| 18:00.40 | cast | Ward1983_: good point |
| 18:00.44 | lea_w | I don't want a certain package to be started at boot time, but every time the package gets upgraded, the /etc/rc?.d/ symlinks get re-created. How can I prevent that? |
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| 18:01.01 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, keep an eye on lustre |
| 18:01.06 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: xfs is totally fine now (It just needs to be on a UPS they are not even expensive now) |
| 18:01.20 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, agree |
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| 18:01.59 | xsdg | h3sp4wn: of course, that's not entirely possible on a laptop |
| 18:03.01 | Ward1983_ | cast, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43288/ |
| 18:03.13 | Ward1983_ | cast, still the same without glx and dri |
| 18:03.18 | xsdg | h3sp4wn: also, having a filesystem that loses data in power outages doesn't really inspire confidence |
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| 18:03.36 | wols_ | Ward1983_: what videocard/driver? |
| 18:03.53 | Ward1983_ | wols_, its a pda lol i have no clue |
| 18:03.55 | h3sp4wn | xsdg: Anything in ram is lost on a power outage anyway |
| 18:04.05 | Ward1983_ | wols_, i can paste my xorg.conf though |
| 18:04.14 | wols_ | Ward1983_: then finding out is the first step to troubleshoot your X problems |
| 18:04.18 | xsdg | h3sp4wn: of course, but stuff that's already on disk shouldn't end up gone |
| 18:04.23 | simonrvn | xsdg: hi, and i use ext3 or jfs for that and other reasons |
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| 18:04.27 | h3sp4wn | xsdg: It doesn't |
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| 18:04.34 | simonrvn | i gave up xfs |
| 18:04.39 | simonrvn | up on* |
| 18:04.42 | Ward1983_ | wols_, i booted before this error came out of nowhere |
| 18:04.46 | h3sp4wn | xsdg: It is the stuff thats cached in ram ready to be written to disk when its a suitable time |
| 18:05.06 | Ward1983_ | wols_, and i actually still see the graphical environment it jsut quits really fast |
| 18:05.10 | Ward1983_ | nvm i'll just reinstall |
| 18:05.13 | xsdg | h3sp4wn: on the contrary, I've encountered a problem multiple times with XFS where aftera power outage, files have the same length but are filled either with NULLs or with the contents of different files |
| 18:05.23 | capiira_ | hmm is there a way to let a partition like /dev/hda2 become hda1 without formating ? |
| 18:05.25 | Ward1983_ | linux is full of errors that apperantly nobody van help me with |
| 18:05.26 | xsdg | h3sp4wn: which is completely unacceptable for me |
| 18:05.30 | simonrvn | the worst thing that happened top me with jfs was needing to replay the journal... oooh wow, so horrible :P |
| 18:06.13 | capiira_ | you have a lot of alternatives Ward1983_ ! |
| 18:06.13 | simonrvn | linux is a kernel |
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| 18:06.44 | Ward1983_ | capiira_, not trough in this case |
| 18:06.50 | Ward1983_ | capiira_, i mean true |
| 18:06.51 | simonrvn | zfs sounds promising |
| 18:06.51 | Ward1983_ | lol |
| 18:06.56 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.59 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 18:07.08 | simonrvn | loldude lives! |
| 18:07.13 | wols_ | simonrvn: not until Sun pulls a SGI |
| 18:07.25 | xsdg | wols_: hmm? |
| 18:07.41 | wols_ | goes bankrupt and totally switches over to linux |
| 18:07.51 | xand | solaris > linux for servers |
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| 18:08.01 | h3sp4wn | wols_: Thats quite unlikely to happen |
| 18:08.12 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: not really |
| 18:08.30 | xsdg | wols_: linux has ZFS already (except it's only usable through FUSE, because of licensing issues :o/ ) |
| 18:08.45 | wols_ | xsdg: that's not really "have it", is it? |
| 18:08.48 | xand | FUSE is awful for production use |
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| 18:09.03 | simonrvn | xand: agreed |
| 18:09.11 | xsdg | wols_: well, that's like saying that linux doesn't "have" card drivers that aren't in the kernel |
| 18:09.25 | xsdg | xand: in what ways? |
| 18:09.44 | wols_ | xsdg: anyone using FUSE in a serevr should be shot |
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| 18:09.49 | xand | sshfs is awful |
| 18:09.53 | wols_ | especially for critical storage (some sshfs once is fine) |
| 18:09.59 | xand | slow, unstable, not suitable for multiple users |
| 18:10.36 | xsdg | xand: slow and not-for-multiusers, yes. When is it unstable? |
| 18:10.44 | xand | when I've used it |
| 18:10.47 | suppaman | bye |
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| 18:10.59 | xsdg | hmm |
| 18:11.05 | xand | kept having to remount... nothing wrong with my connection |
| 18:11.14 | cast | and how much slower is fuse than in kernel filesystems? |
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| 18:12.01 | xsdg | cast: dunno; I'm not sure if people have benchmarked |
| 18:12.55 | Ward1983_ | how can i record everything i do in a terminal and end up with a script? |
| 18:13.32 | Steps | hi there, i want to remaster the debian netinst cd. so i copied the contents of it to disk and created a iso from it again (without modfications) to see if this works. but the installation process terminates with cdrom-detect saying "the available cd is not a Debian CD!" |
| 18:13.38 | cast | Ward1983_: there is something to do exactly that...but i forget it, you could just history|tail though |
| 18:13.46 | Steps | i'm only able to find knoppix remastering howtos |
| 18:14.06 | Steps | do i have to patch the cdrom-detect package or do i need to create a new checksum anywhere? |
| 18:14.15 | Ward1983_ | cast, its gonna be quite a lot |
| 18:14.41 | cast | my history files 5000 lines, :) |
| 18:14.44 | xsdg | Steps: you may want to look at jigdo |
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| 18:15.03 | xsdg | Steps: I haven't touched it before, so I dunno if it'll do what you want, but it might be a start |
| 18:15.07 | Ward1983_ | cast, still then i need to remove all the numbers by hand |
| 18:15.30 | cast | look at ~/.bash_history |
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| 18:15.58 | Steps | what i want is simply including my own preseed-config into the cd |
| 18:16.14 | cast | but removing the numbers is easy if you were to use history|cut -b 8- |
| 18:16.20 | Steps | doesn't the debian team want me to remaster their installation cds? |
| 18:16.21 | Ward1983_ | cast, nice, thanx |
| 18:16.23 | h3sp4wn | Steps: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso |
| 18:17.05 | Steps | k, thx, i will try that right now |
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| 18:18.10 | cga | hi all |
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| 18:19.39 | daniele_982 | hello all sameone with laptop vaio? |
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| 18:21.47 | daniele_982 | fz series |
| 18:22.13 | cast | what do you guys think, is apache sans php a big security issue? right now i'm running thttpd |
| 18:22.18 | eFfeM | wols_: the 2.6.23.1 kernel does not yet support my controller, only the atl1 one, not atl2 |
| 18:22.27 | cast | the config i'd use would be the debian default |
| 18:22.36 | eFfeM | guess this is the end of this experiment |
| 18:22.44 | DustyDingo | hm, my wpa_suppliant crashes after an update, the only dependency, which was newly installed is libssl |
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| 18:23.07 | simonrvn | cast: i think the default config gives away too much on what the "product" is, but other than that, nothing really wrong with it |
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| 18:23.49 | cast | you mean its version string? |
| 18:24.05 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:24.27 | simonrvn | ServerTokens |
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| 18:28.12 | levander | What's the apt-get command to make sure all the files are there correctly for an installed package? |
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| 18:29.31 | Eulex | levander, you could try debsums. but that's not an apt-get command. |
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| 18:30.22 | levander | Eulex: is there a command to reinstall (over the top of the current one) a package? |
| 18:30.43 | daniele_982 | sameone with sony-vaio FZ??? |
| 18:30.46 | Eulex | levander, yes. --reinstall. |
| 18:31.07 | xsdg | laurly: apt-get --reinstall install <package>, to be clear |
| 18:31.09 | levander | Eulex: "apt-get install --reinstall <package>"? |
| 18:31.18 | levander | okay, thanks guys |
| 18:31.20 | Eulex | levander, yes. |
| 18:31.24 | et | or just aptitude reinstall |
| 18:31.31 | Eulex | !tell daniele_982 about laptop |
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| 18:32.02 | daniele_982 | Eulex: i've seen it!!!! no solve so i'm here |
| 18:32.22 | daniele_982 | Eulex: problem with fn event |
| 18:32.44 | levander | You know, I've got this one box that I was using aptitude on. But now that apt-get supports orphan tracking too, everyone's switched back to apt-get. If I just start using apt-get on that box, am I going to lose all the orphan tracking I accumulated with aptitude? |
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| 18:35.54 | XxxXXxxx | hello who know good icq client bat not show IP and protocol icq |
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| 18:36.25 | Steps | hi there |
| 18:36.42 | Steps | the best solution is using jabber and the icq transport to it ;) |
| 18:37.02 | Steps | so you have many many clients to choose from |
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| 18:37.25 | Steps | i use it with gmail , so i have my chatlogs of icq and msn saved in my inbox |
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| 18:37.40 | Steps | look at jabbin.com for e.g. |
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| 18:38.13 | XxxXXxxx | senxxxxxxx |
| 18:38.19 | xacier | is there a winamp debian package? |
| 18:39.02 | cga | hi all, how do i add more screensavers to gnome-screensaver? should i just install xscreensaver? |
| 18:39.03 | Steps | why not using xmms, xacier? |
| 18:39.05 | Ace2016 | no, winamp runs on windows, it does not run on linux, you can use it on linux through wine |
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| 18:39.23 | cga | xacier, try audacious |
| 18:39.51 | xacier | i want shoutcast damnit |
| 18:40.02 | xacier | is there a package with shoutcast? |
| 18:40.07 | cga | again, try audacious |
| 18:40.43 | xacier | okie dokie |
| 18:40.45 | xacier | :) |
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| 18:41.21 | james | hello everybody, how to definitively blacklist a module please ? I don't want to compile a kernel with a correct config because of the time it takes to compile it. I've searched google and man modprobe and added "blacklist i915" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and "i915.blacklist=yes" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local which causes an error ... any tip please ? |
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| 18:42.22 | james | it keeps loading on the top of i810 which i want to use when i start xorg, even if i stop udev |
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| 18:43.00 | doomster | heya! |
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| 18:45.12 | doomster | I'm getting an md5sum mismatch trying to install flashplayer-nonfree, any workarounds? |
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| 18:49.56 | Sebboh | Where is my wordlist file? |
| 18:50.44 | Sebboh | Come on, I've got one on Solaris 6, I should hope that my Debian testing machine has one. :P |
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| 18:52.48 | solanaceo | hi guys,,,, i am new to debian. i would look for info on the net, but right now i don't have http navigation, just irc. so.. could anybody in here chat a little with me and tell me the beautys of debian? |
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| 18:53.46 | cast | the reference manual |
| 18:53.47 | redduck666 | solanaceo: what do you consider a beauty? |
| 18:53.47 | Sebboh | solanaceo: Debian has a really strong package management system. |
| 18:54.10 | Sebboh | .. redduck666, oh. Well, that's what I consider beauty. ;) |
| 18:54.21 | cast | the fact that stable is stable :D |
| 18:54.24 | xacier | is there a gui for xmms2? |
| 18:54.39 | Sebboh | xacier: how'd you get it without one? |
| 18:54.52 | cast | xacier: sure, gxmms2 looks like one |
| 18:54.53 | Nyle | how come the user can't write to /usr *no permissions* |
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| 18:55.09 | cast | Nyle: because then the user could do bad things |
| 18:55.21 | Sebboh | Nyle, /usr isn't for the user exactly. |
| 18:55.27 | Ace2016 | very bad things |
| 18:55.38 | Sebboh | Nyle, /usr is where the system stores software that the user will run. (Also other stuff.) |
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| 18:55.49 | Sebboh | The user = all users. |
| 18:56.00 | Nyle | i see |
| 18:56.21 | Sebboh | User A can't modify User B's chat client, otherwise, A might spy on B or something. :) |
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| 18:56.33 | Nyle | so when applications not in packages of debian install to /usr and say the user should drop stuff here then what? |
| 18:56.38 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:56.54 | n3kl | What pam.d/ file do I add ldap authentication modules to? |
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| 18:57.03 | Nyle | for example, doomsday doom2 engine installs to there, and then says you should drop addon packs in /usr/doomsday/addons/ |
| 18:57.09 | simonrvn | n3kl: pam-ldap |
| 18:57.20 | simonrvn | n3kl: libpam-ldap to be precise |
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| 18:57.40 | doomster | Nyle, apps shouldn't install to that location |
| 18:57.49 | cast | Nyle: /usr/local/ is where you can install too |
| 18:57.49 | Ace2016 | Nyle: then you can use cp to copy the thing there as root, or use kdesu konqueror and then copy the thing, but writing to your own workspace with kdesu konqueror will mess up permissions |
| 18:57.56 | simonrvn | Nyle: that should be going in /usr/local/share/doomsday or such |
| 18:57.58 | n3kl | simonrvn: yes, but in which file do the lines similar to auth sufficient pam_ldap.so use_first_pass reside? |
| 18:58.00 | Sebboh | Nyle: don't use non-debian packages on a debian system, it the results of that operation are undefined. However, as a general rule, when you need to modify something in the system area, use sudo to gain superuser priveledges temporarily. |
| 18:58.06 | redduck666 | n3kl: common-account common-auth common-password |
| 18:58.10 | Nyle | simonrvn: yeh, thats where I mean |
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| 18:58.13 | simonrvn | n3kl: /etc/pam.d/common-* |
| 18:58.13 | Nyle | i just mean in the /usr tree |
| 18:58.30 | Sebboh | *privilege, even. |
| 18:58.32 | itchi | Nyle: Usually, you can drop software in your home dir, see for non-root install in the docs of software |
| 18:58.37 | Ace2016 | doomster: what about install instructions asking people to do stuff like copy firmware to a non user writable place |
| 18:58.50 | Nyle | itchi: yeh, ~/.deng/addons |
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| 18:58.52 | kromagg | anyone know why xhost +root@ doesn't work? |
| 18:58.55 | kromagg | is that by design? |
| 18:59.01 | Nyle | itchi: I was just wondering why they do that when /usr isn't for user to write to |
| 18:59.28 | itchi | Nyle: Normally, you may have config file that let you define the path |
| 18:59.39 | Ace2016 | Nyle: can you tell me what you would even need a user of the computer to put into that place? admins are responsible for installing |
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| 19:00.07 | doomster | Ace2016, for that, I think applications should provide a lib dir, e.g. /usr/lib/myhardware, but you should read the Linux FHS which contains info about such things |
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| 19:00.38 | itchi | Nyle: 'Default' it may in the /usr/share but you may put it where you want |
| 19:01.11 | Sebboh | Ace2016: correct, the .files are generally configuration information, but, you'll also find that they contain a lot of stuff that is similar to the 'Local Settings' and 'Application Data' folder in a WinXP users's home directory. Also, .files are often hidden by default! |
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| 19:02.00 | itchi | Sebboh: Filenames starting with a dot are "hidden" ;-) |
| 19:02.07 | doomster | Sebboh, all files starting with a dot are by convention considered 'hidden' |
| 19:02.23 | Sebboh | "Also, .files are often hidden by default!" ... ? |
| 19:02.33 | Nyle | Ace2016: I am asking the same question as you |
| 19:03.17 | Ace2016 | yea i never did understand why win has registry, its as crazy as putting every single setting into a text file and zipping that up, what they should have done is what linux does and put them a settings folder and then create settingsedit or something that allows you to edit each app's settings, so settings edit goes into each .folder and reads settings.data and then shows the user all the settings of the system, that would be what i would do |
| 19:03.56 | Sebboh | Ace2016: The registry is a good idea and the *nix world should get one. |
| 19:04.07 | dalias | sebboh, no, you're on crack |
| 19:04.17 | itchi | Ace2016: The crazy thing is that for some changes in the registry, a reboot is required |
| 19:04.19 | dalias | the registry is a HUGE problem and antithetical to unix philosophy |
| 19:04.19 | Nyle | you talk as if you think MS developers know what they are doing when it coems to OS development |
| 19:04.22 | Nyle | c'mon man |
| 19:04.23 | Ace2016 | Sebboh: can you tell me why its good? i hate it, programmers hide stuff in there |
| 19:04.26 | dalias | rtfm the art of unix programming |
| 19:04.29 | Sebboh | That being said, I'm out of here, because I don't want to get into this. |
| 19:04.43 | dalias | ace2016, idiots like sebboh think it's good "for performance" |
| 19:04.45 | vampirefrog | hi. why would apt-get say a package is manual installed? and how do I install over it? |
| 19:05.00 | Nyle | its not called being an idiot |
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| 19:05.06 | trentg | GNOME and KDE have registries, don't they? |
| 19:05.07 | Nyle | its called not having enough knowledge |
| 19:05.07 | itchi | dalias: Avoid name calls |
| 19:05.12 | Nyle | there is no reason for name calling |
| 19:05.21 | dalias | because they're thinking of applications that share lots of settings between one another and might need to open 20 (or 200?) different config files |
| 19:05.24 | dalias | such apps are just WRONG |
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| 19:05.37 | Sebboh | Debbie does dalias, two things, please. Don't call strangers idiot, and, that's not why I favor it. And, the idea wasn't implemented correctly on windows, FYI. Bye! |
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| 19:05.52 | dalias | the idea is fundamentally wrong |
| 19:05.57 | dalias | regardless of how it's implemented |
| 19:06.01 | doomster | having a few dozen different configfile formats and parsers is insane too |
| 19:06.02 | Nyle | you're fundamentally wrong |
| 19:06.04 | Nyle | now shush |
| 19:06.05 | Sebboh | calm the hell down it's irc. Good lord. |
| 19:06.08 | dalias | any configuration except flat text is fundamentally wrong |
| 19:06.11 | Ace2016 | performance boost? doubt that, if the registry is one file it would have to be accessed over and over, and would most likely be kept in ram and waste resources, but if it was in .folders then each program reads its config files and does its job |
| 19:06.21 | Nyle | Sebboh: irc is a medium. People are real. |
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| 19:06.25 | dalias | ace2016, indeed, flat files always perform better |
| 19:06.31 | TiMiDo | hey can someone help me to get my webcam working? |
| 19:06.31 | Nyle | "calm down, its just a phone conversation." |
| 19:06.39 | dalias | just like grep foo file.txt is faster than sql queries |
| 19:06.41 | Nyle | what kinda excuse is that for calming down :) |
| 19:06.45 | Sebboh | dalias: Right. And config other than flat text is fundamentally wrong. You know what's wrong? Fundamentalism, in any context. :/ |
| 19:06.50 | alex116 | can I get a link to a howto about how to do remote logins so I have my session on my screen but am logged in somewhere else? |
| 19:06.56 | Sebboh | s/And/Any/ |
| 19:07.02 | dalias | sebboh, it's called sanity not fundamentalism |
| 19:07.11 | Nyle | alex116: ssh? or graphical? |
| 19:07.12 | itchi | TiMiDo: Plug and Play with it?? |
| 19:07.20 | dalias | you nonensically attach the word "fundamentalism" just because you see the word fundamental |
| 19:07.22 | Nyle | itchi: scratch it |
| 19:07.28 | TiMiDo | itchi, i did, the webcam light is on, but what program can i used to view it? |
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| 19:07.55 | Sebboh | dalias: No, I attach it to your goundless belief in some absolute that you read in some book that you seem to cherish! |
| 19:07.56 | itchi | TiMiDo: gqcam ? |
| 19:07.57 | dalias | fundamental here means for basic reasons that cannot be overcome. not some religious reason |
| 19:07.59 | Nyle | lots of webcam software for kde and gnome and X |
| 19:08.06 | Sebboh | s/go/gro/ |
| 19:08.06 | Nyle | !search |
| 19:08.06 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 19:08.12 | Nyle | !webcam |
| 19:08.12 | dpkg | well, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 19:08.15 | dalias | sebboh, i don't cherist esr's book. i hate esr. but he has a good explanation of the reasons. |
| 19:08.17 | Nyle | voila? |
| 19:08.20 | Nyle | ok then |
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| 19:08.46 | Ace2016 | Sebboh: can you just say why you like the registry idea? i really want to know the other side of the registry argument, i can't figure out what it is |
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| 19:09.00 | TiMiDo | itchi, /dev/video: No such file or directory |
| 19:09.01 | dalias | ace2016, it's surely a "performance" argument |
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| 19:09.04 | Nyle | the registry is garbage for many reasons |
| 19:09.08 | steven_elvisda | hello how can i change port ssh? |
| 19:09.13 | steven_elvisda | now my ssh port is 22 |
| 19:09.16 | steven_elvisda | i want to change it |
| 19:09.17 | dalias | just like the people who argue for storing data in an sql database rather than flat text for "performance" |
| 19:09.17 | Nyle | the design and application of the registry is inherenly flawed |
| 19:09.24 | steven_elvisda | how can i do this? |
| 19:09.25 | itchi | TiMiDo: There may maybe video0 or 1 or whatever |
| 19:09.27 | dalias | even tho the flat text is always faster until the size becomes huge |
| 19:09.36 | Nyle | steven_elvisda: /etc/ssh/sshd_conf |
| 19:09.39 | Nyle | something like that anyway |
| 19:09.46 | itchi | steven_elvisda: Configure it, or look with ssh --help |
| 19:09.46 | TiMiDo | itchi, how can i run it with video0? |
| 19:09.47 | dalias | (and if your config data is that huge, your system is horribly broken. like windows.) |
| 19:09.54 | itchi | TiMiDo: appname --help |
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| 19:10.05 | itchi | !fish |
| 19:10.05 | dpkg | it has been said that fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
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| 19:10.13 | dalias | actually, sebboh might be thinking of some sort of "runtime changing config data" issue too |
| 19:10.20 | Nyle | that is bullshit |
| 19:10.23 | Nyle | the fish thing |
| 19:10.29 | Sebboh | Who said it was ideal!?! Woah people! This is exactly the problem! Dalias says text files are the only way to do config.. ONLY.. Really? Quantum computers? Sim chips? Space probes? And some people seem to think that I think that the registry is the one true path.. Nope! .ircrc? Yeah that needs to be a text file. |
| 19:10.33 | Nyle | give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day |
| 19:10.36 | TiMiDo | is not working itchi with video1 or video0 |
| 19:10.36 | itchi | Nyle: No, that's true life |
| 19:10.39 | steven_elvisda | ermm |
| 19:11.01 | dalias | sebboh, we're talking about applications on unix. that's the topic at hand. |
| 19:11.03 | Sebboh | The path to enlightenment is in the middle way. ! |
| 19:11.03 | itchi | Nyle: Or i guess that you misread/misunderstand it |
| 19:11.14 | Sebboh | dalias: right. Sim chips, space probes. |
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| 19:11.19 | dalias | whether i believe the same thing for other matters is another thing |
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| 19:11.20 | Nyle | teach a man to fish, and he has to get a fishing liscence, boat time, or rent a boat, then he has to buy fishing equipment, then to cook it he needs a liscence for an open flame, and then he has to properly pay the sanitation department to take the scales and trash away |
| 19:11.22 | Sebboh | Dunno about the big Q yet. :) |
| 19:11.25 | Nyle | seriously |
| 19:11.27 | Nyle | don't teach a man how to fish |
| 19:11.32 | Nyle | tell the man to get a job and buy fish |
| 19:11.32 | itchi | TiMiDo: The kernel detected the webcam? |
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| 19:11.38 | Ace2016 | Sebboh: whit so what does that mean? so have an rc file for config and a registry file for ??? |
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| 19:11.43 | Sebboh | hi sparr__. |
| 19:11.47 | dalias | sebboh, those specialty apps don't need ANY standardized interface, just whatever works best for them |
| 19:11.48 | itchi | Nyle: a job == fish |
| 19:11.55 | TiMiDo | itchi, yeah usb 2-1: SN9C105 PC Camera Controller detected (vid:pid 0x045E:0x00F5) |
| 19:11.57 | Nyle | itchi: joke. |
| 19:12.02 | itchi | At least, fishing |
| 19:12.04 | dalias | they're outside the domain of any discussion by us |
| 19:12.25 | dalias | however if i were implementing them, their config would be symbol definitions in the lisp machine... |
| 19:12.25 | itchi | TiMiDo: Sorry, i have no webcam right now, so i may not much of help |
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| 19:12.40 | Nyle | itchi: you are swedish? |
| 19:12.48 | itchi | Nyle: No, Belgian |
| 19:12.55 | Nyle | ahh |
| 19:12.57 | Nyle | like the waffles |
| 19:13.03 | Nyle | cool |
| 19:13.05 | rubymonk | which side of the civil war ? :) |
| 19:13.06 | itchi | Nyle: Exactly :-p |
| 19:13.18 | dalias | looks like sebboh is refusing to answer |
| 19:13.52 | itchi | rubymonk: People think there are two sides in Belgium. Flemish and French. Heh, i'm from Brussels |
| 19:13.55 | Sebboh | Ace2016: for the kind of thing windows uses it for: associating a token with a bit of code, then putting that token in different places to make that code happen there. Ever wonder how video card vendors can customize the display options applet? |
| 19:14.05 | itchi | There are 3! |
| 19:14.27 | rubymonk | itchi, Well, lately, people were proved right... |
| 19:14.28 | dalias | sebboh, (1) that has nothing to do with condig, and (2) it's malicious |
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| 19:14.42 | Sebboh | dalias: you take your personal chagrin and shove it! Do not attack me personally. Why would you do that? |
| 19:14.44 | Nyle | its not good for design |
| 19:14.47 | dalias | no one wants nasty video card drivers adding their own spam to the options widgets |
| 19:14.51 | itchi | rubymonk: Anyway, Flemish are stupid |
| 19:14.58 | rubymonk | itchi, Hahahaha, see ? |
| 19:15.01 | rubymonk | :) |
| 19:15.02 | Sebboh | [13:12:15] <dalias> looks like sebboh is refusing to answer |
| 19:15.10 | Nyle | dudes |
| 19:15.15 | rubymonk | So I guess Brussels is on the french side :P |
| 19:15.28 | Nyle | Sebboh: dalias: pleae take this to ##windows or #elsewhere |
| 19:15.35 | dalias | nyle, the issue isn't windows |
| 19:15.38 | itchi | rubymonk: When there where still fishing, the right side was made much money and have "build" Belgium. Now that the right side earn lesser money and the left side much more. The want to be independent |
| 19:15.42 | Nyle | the issue isn't on topic for #debian |
| 19:15.47 | dalias | it's sebboh telling us that unix/linux/whatever should be windows-like |
| 19:15.50 | steven_elvisda | sorry for dummy question |
| 19:15.52 | Nyle | and frankly its annoying seeing you two argue |
| 19:15.53 | dalias | which is blatently offensive |
| 19:15.56 | steven_elvisda | how to restart sshd? |
| 19:15.58 | steven_elvisda | i typed |
| 19:16.03 | steven_elvisda | services sshd restart |
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| 19:16.07 | steven_elvisda | but does not work |
| 19:16.17 | Nyle | dalias: when you know he is wrong in your opinion, and you tried to tell him otherwise, and he wont' listen, so just end it now. |
| 19:16.20 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.24 | rubymonk | itchi, Any rumours of separation ? |
| 19:16.30 | dalias | sebboh, what ace2016 just said is what i use |
| 19:16.33 | dalias | errm |
| 19:16.38 | dalias | i meant to say that to steven_elvisda |
| 19:16.42 | dalias | bad tab comp |
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| 19:16.51 | steven_elvisda | ohhh |
| 19:17.01 | itchi | rubymonk: Yeah, but no conclussion, i wonder why the flemish side is still not in the cell. That's just a big racistic side. |
| 19:17.04 | dalias | no idea what "services" command is or if it even exists |
| 19:17.18 | Nyle | itchi: racist. |
| 19:18.04 | robboplus | is it possible to run a DOS app on linux? |
| 19:18.07 | rubymonk | itchi, Hum... you think it'll split or it'll keep in the rumours state ? If they split... which side will the king stay on ? |
| 19:18.14 | Nyle | robboplus: depends. try dosbox |
| 19:18.23 | robboplus | Nyle thank you |
| 19:18.28 | dalias | robboplus, there are various emulators and virtualization systes that can be used |
| 19:18.32 | Nyle | itchi: racistic isn't a word :) |
| 19:18.33 | Sebboh | robboplus: or look up qemu, not sure if dosbox is based on that or not. |
| 19:18.41 | itchi | rubymonk: It will maybe, but i wonder |
| 19:18.43 | steven_elvisda | li11-13:/etc/init.d# ssh restart |
| 19:18.44 | steven_elvisda | ssh: restart: Name or service not known |
| 19:18.45 | dalias | dosemu, dosbox, qemu, ... |
| 19:18.47 | itchi | Nyle: :-p |
| 19:18.55 | robboplus | oh i basically just need to run a very simple exe and that should be a non-brainer |
| 19:18.56 | Nyle | steven_elvisda: #? |
| 19:18.57 | dalias | sebboh, dosemu predates qemu by something like 10 years... |
| 19:19.00 | steven_elvisda | li11-13:~# /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 19:19.00 | steven_elvisda | -bash: /etc/init.d/sshd: No such file or directory |
| 19:19.04 | robboplus | if brainer then i just find a winbox :) |
| 19:19.16 | Nyle | steven_elvisda: do it as root |
| 19:19.21 | steven_elvisda | yeah |
| 19:19.23 | Nyle | steven_elvisda: and use tab completion in bash |
| 19:19.23 | steven_elvisda | i'm root |
| 19:19.32 | dalias | robboplus, it's not so much a no-brainer because a dos app needs a whole dos environment. but dosbox is pretty good i think |
| 19:19.38 | dalias | dosemu is much harder to setup |
| 19:19.48 | Nyle | steven_elvisda: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 19:19.49 | itchi | rubymonk: It will split if the whole flemish side is in cell for racisme |
| 19:20.01 | Nyle | steven_elvisda: if not sudo, then do /etc/init.d/ssh restart as root |
| 19:20.02 | rubymonk | Nyle, Well, racism actually means you state there are races, meaning almost everyone is a racist as people say "black" "white" "asian" or even "african american"..." |
| 19:20.04 | robboplus | dalias but that wouldn't work for a win32 app with no gui, would it? |
| 19:20.12 | Nyle | I know what racism is |
| 19:20.15 | Nyle | what the fuck |
| 19:20.19 | steven_elvisda | okei |
| 19:20.21 | steven_elvisda | done |
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| 19:20.23 | steven_elvisda | thanks Nyle |
| 19:20.23 | Nyle | all I said was racistic isn't a word |
| 19:20.24 | robboplus | i mean some apps just look like DOS ones but in fact they are not, right? |
| 19:20.29 | Nyle | how you gather I don't know about racism is beyond me |
| 19:20.30 | Nyle | ;) |
| 19:20.33 | itchi | rubymonk: I life in flemish country, i'm (on papper) flemish, but i'm not ok with the spirit they take |
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| 19:20.59 | dalias | robboplus, that is not a dos app but a win32 app |
| 19:21.10 | vampirefrog | how do I search for a file inside the packages? |
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| 19:21.14 | dalias | if you want to run a win32 app you need wine |
| 19:21.17 | Nyle | !search |
| 19:21.17 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 19:21.18 | robboplus | rubymonk what you just said is plain stupid... and has nothing to do with racism |
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| 19:21.38 | Nyle | !info apt-file |
| 19:21.40 | dpkg | apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.8.2 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 19:21.44 | itchi | It's insulting someone about his origin |
| 19:21.46 | dalias | or you can wait til sebboh and the gnome fanatics finish making linux into windows, then run the win32 app natively.... |
| 19:21.49 | steven_elvisda | !info sendmail |
| 19:21.49 | robboplus | dalias that's right.. i think i'm better just finding a winbox for this task |
| 19:21.53 | dpkg | sendmail: (powerful, efficient, and scalable Mail Transport Agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 8.14.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 198 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 19:22.00 | itchi | Anyway, a bit of discrimination |
| 19:22.01 | dalias | ..... |
| 19:22.01 | Nyle | I am looking forward to amarok/kde4 on windows |
| 19:22.03 | Nyle | so shush |
| 19:22.08 | dalias | who put that propaganda about sendmail into the bot? |
| 19:22.21 | Nyle | what propaganda? |
| 19:22.29 | dalias | dpkg, no sendmail is a huge bloated insecure Mail Transport Agent |
| 19:22.29 | dpkg | dalias: okay |
| 19:22.38 | vampirefrog | Nyle: ah, thx |
| 19:22.48 | rubymonk | robboplus, Well, ask a linguist |
| 19:22.57 | itchi | !factinfo sendmail |
| 19:22.57 | dpkg | sendmail -- last modified 28s ago by dalias!i=dalias@216-12-86-13.cv.mvl.ntelos.net; it has been requested once, last by Nyle, 7s ago. |
| 19:23.00 | rubymonk | racism "race" "ism" |
| 19:23.02 | daveinthesky | I think the word you're looking for is "racialist" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KglSPl7g14Q hahaha |
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| 19:23.10 | dalias | wow i didnt know i could do that |
| 19:23.13 | robboplus | rubymonk that has nothing to do with what you just mentioned. |
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| 19:23.18 | Nyle | daveinthesky: some black comedy I guess? |
| 19:23.22 | Nyle | I heard that word before |
| 19:23.23 | rubymonk | robboplus, ask a linguist |
| 19:23.28 | dalias | i was expecting the bot to refuse my change... |
| 19:23.30 | itchi | dalias: See /msg dpkg help |
| 19:23.30 | robboplus | rubymonk please do NOT confuse people about racism if you have no clue what it means... |
| 19:23.31 | Nyle | what is today? |
| 19:23.31 | rubymonk | it's just a mis-used term just like "hacker" |
| 19:23.34 | Nyle | ahhh yes |
| 19:23.37 | Nyle | today is ... |
| 19:23.38 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 19:23.39 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 19:23.46 | dalias | lol |
| 19:23.53 | rubymonk | now, racist discrimination is what you mean |
| 19:23.56 | robboplus | rubymonk a genealogy of a word has nothing to do with word's meaning in most cases. |
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| 19:24.07 | rubymonk | or even, racist-based discrimination |
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| 19:24.20 | Nyle | the world daughter in english came from sanskrit |
| 19:24.23 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:24.27 | Nyle | word* |
| 19:24.30 | rubymonk | Nyle, :) |
| 19:24.49 | Nyle | it was the farmers daughters that used to go out and milk the cows every morning |
| 19:24.53 | Nyle | milk fetchers |
| 19:24.58 | rubymonk | robboplus, If you don't know what you're talking about, just don't interrupt people. Go in a uni see a linguist that knows his shit and ask him. |
| 19:25.01 | Nyle | milk is called Doodh |
| 19:25.02 | robboplus | rubymonk racism is a common abbrev. for racist discrimination in fact and that's what one means talking about being racism. |
| 19:25.03 | Nyle | similar to daughter |
| 19:25.08 | Nyle | etc. i dunno make the connection |
| 19:25.11 | robboplus | racist* |
| 19:25.17 | Nyle | I am a racist |
| 19:25.21 | Nyle | I am proud. |
| 19:25.35 | dalias | !sunday |
| 19:25.36 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 19:25.40 | Nyle | I don't discriminate when it comes to racism |
| 19:25.43 | rubymonk | robboplus, That's the usual saying, just like "hacker" instead of cracker, doesn't mean it's true |
| 19:25.46 | Nyle | I hate every race on this planet equally :) |
| 19:25.48 | robboplus | Nyle that means that you discriminate some people and this is what i mean when arguing with rubymonk.. he just can't get it. |
| 19:25.58 | Nyle | robboplus: no I'm kidding dude |
| 19:26.04 | robboplus | Nyle i know :) |
| 19:26.04 | Nyle | if anything, I'm beyond racism |
| 19:26.11 | Nyle | I'm a misanthrope |
| 19:26.28 | robboplus | Nyle and again - you are beyond racism which means that you don't discriminate people of different races |
| 19:26.29 | dalias | psychopath is the less-positive term for it :) |
| 19:26.37 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:26.39 | robboplus | lol dalias |
| 19:26.40 | itchi | Nyle: Discriminating someone is very sad. Think to you may get that too |
| 19:27.02 | Nyle | itchi: I'm not white. so I get lots of racism to put up with |
| 19:27.06 | itchi | Nyle: Do to the other what you like to get from others |
| 19:27.10 | Nyle | I don't care, I just say people are idiots and leave it at that |
| 19:27.45 | robboplus | rubymonk: Racism has many definitions, the most common and widely accepted being the belief that members of one race are intrinsically superior or inferior to members of other races. |
| 19:27.47 | Nyle | "because in the end, the universe unfolds exactly as it should." |
| 19:27.47 | itchi | Nyle: I'm white and still get racisme problems, it's not a question of color at all. It's a question of f* stupid people |
| 19:27.53 | dalias | i normally reserve the word idiot for the likes of people who promote copying windows design.. :P |
| 19:28.00 | dalias | or likewise apple design |
| 19:28.06 | robboplus | rubymonk you know where is that def from? still want to argue? |
| 19:28.27 | Nyle | itchi: see, you don't have anything to worry about |
| 19:28.29 | Nyle | smile |
| 19:28.30 | rubymonk | robboplus, You are just wrong but as everyone now changes the form of this word, you probably soon are going to be right |
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| 19:28.30 | Nyle | you're white |
| 19:28.36 | itchi | Nyle: :-p |
| 19:28.40 | Nyle | especially after 9/11 |
| 19:28.40 | rubymonk | though, the origin of this word is the one I given |
| 19:28.52 | Nyle | I had to put up with some shit, I was not in any northern state either |
| 19:29.00 | Nyle | i was in oklahoma and those rednecks take shit pretty seriously |
| 19:29.07 | Nyle | it sucked for a while but it was ok |
| 19:29.12 | robboplus | rubymonk we are not speaking of an origin... there are 1000s of words that has changed their meaning |
| 19:29.15 | itchi | Nyle: nah, rasicm is everywhere. It's near the same problem as be free. We may need to fight for this :-s |
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| 19:29.21 | robboplus | rubymonk and any linguist will tell you that |
| 19:29.34 | Nyle | racism could be a positive thing |
| 19:29.43 | rubymonk | robboplus, Go see a linguist and don't bother me anymore. Then, see what he'll tell you |
| 19:29.48 | Nyle | if the negativity and insult and etc. are taken out |
| 19:29.58 | rubymonk | And take a good one, not one that just got graduated |
| 19:30.07 | robboplus | Nyle basically yes but everywhere in media and else racism is actually negative and you can hardly make any point like rubymonk just did to anyone |
| 19:30.09 | itchi | Nyle: What left then? |
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| 19:30.29 | robboplus | rubymonk man, do you really THINK that wikipedia isn't enough? |
| 19:30.44 | rubymonk | Wikipedia is... well, sorry, a BIG crap |
| 19:30.45 | Nyle | positive racism, yeh, americans, you got a good army, you keep it and make it big for the whole planet. Japanese people, you are good at technology, so make it for the whole planet. russians, you good with technology and army too, protect our planet. indian people, you make good food, so cook for the whole planet |
| 19:30.46 | robboplus | still want to argue? i don't get it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism |
| 19:30.57 | rubymonk | Hahahaha |
| 19:31.00 | Nyle | something like that anyway |
| 19:31.08 | Nyle | work together to make a good beautiful earth |
| 19:31.09 | rubymonk | Someone taking wikipedia as a demonstrating source |
| 19:31.17 | robboplus | rubymonk MANY linguists worked on that definition... |
| 19:31.18 | rubymonk | robboplus, Are you over 16 ? |
| 19:31.29 | robboplus | rubymonk what is your problem? |
| 19:31.31 | rubymonk | Yeah... you just lost your credibility |
| 19:31.37 | rubymonk | See ya |
| 19:31.39 | itchi | Nyle: Now you got the point, working togheter to build a better life |
| 19:31.48 | robboplus | you just lost your point completely... |
| 19:31.53 | robboplus | so yes, just run away. |
| 19:32.01 | Nyle | yeh |
| 19:32.09 | Nyle | "my opinion is better than yours" |
| 19:32.12 | Nyle | c'mon guys. |
| 19:32.17 | robboplus | Nyle it's him, not me. |
| 19:32.31 | ben_goodger | oh, do please grow up |
| 19:32.40 | robboplus | Nyle i tried to explain something and he went like "are you over 16"... that's good for 18yo |
| 19:32.45 | Nyle | don't include me into it |
| 19:32.48 | Nyle | just cut it out |
| 19:32.51 | Nyle | please, guys |
| 19:32.55 | itchi | Ah, that's going wrong here :-s |
| 19:32.59 | robboplus | he is gone so let's just go back to debian :) |
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| 19:33.17 | itchi | Yeah, debian, love me and i will love you :-p |
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| 19:33.20 | vampirefrog | i get this error: http://rafb.net/p/aPDxLk53.html |
| 19:33.24 | robboplus | and since when wikipedia isn't a reliable source of information anymore? :) |
| 19:33.25 | Nyle | I need to sexify debian |
| 19:33.27 | Nyle | mm |
| 19:33.34 | Nyle | nice nude hot lady wallpaper |
| 19:33.51 | ben_goodger | vampirefrog: what distribution are you using? |
| 19:33.52 | Nyle | with a debian tatto on her butt! |
| 19:33.53 | Nyle | omg |
| 19:33.57 | vampirefrog | lenny |
| 19:34.00 | robboplus | lol Nyle |
| 19:34.03 | Nyle | nice photoshop work |
| 19:34.10 | itchi | vampirefrog: Is the error not clear? |
| 19:34.21 | vampirefrog | not for me :) |
| 19:34.33 | wols_ | vampirefrog: show us your sources.list |
| 19:34.36 | vampirefrog | k |
| 19:34.39 | itchi | vampirefrog: Well try to focus on line 16 |
| 19:34.47 | wols_ | or apt-cache policy http://rafb.net/p/aPDxLk53.html |
| 19:34.55 | wols_ | apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 |
| 19:35.06 | vampirefrog | let me paste sources.list firs |
| 19:35.06 | vampirefrog | t |
| 19:35.39 | vampirefrog | http://rafb.net/p/T4uEw762.html |
| 19:36.10 | vampirefrog | http://rafb.net/p/OcU5PJ83.html |
| 19:36.19 | vampirefrog | the e# is the shell prompt :P |
| 19:36.20 | wols_ | !info http://rafb.net/p/T4uEw762.html |
| 19:36.26 | wols_ | !info libgtk2.0-0 lenny |
| 19:36.29 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.12.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1888 kB, Installed size: 4792 kB |
| 19:37.13 | wols_ | vampirefrog: the mirror is broken |
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| 19:37.18 | Nyle | wols_: whats up with your pastes |
| 19:37.19 | vampirefrog | aw crud |
| 19:37.34 | wols_ | Nyle: advanced stupidity. note the "advanced" bit |
| 19:37.46 | vampirefrog | how do I pick the other romanian mirror? |
| 19:38.19 | itchi | vampirefrog: See /msg dpkg mirror |
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| 19:39.25 | Cyllene | Hello. How can I setup vnc4server so that when I connect the local keyboard, mouse AND monitor are disabled? |
| 19:40.01 | vampirefrog | ah, ok I can use ftp mirrors too? |
| 19:40.31 | redduck666 | how can i find keycodes of arbitrary key presses? |
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| 19:40.33 | vampirefrog | so I just replace the urls in sources.list? |
| 19:40.35 | itchi | vampirefrog: Sure but see /msg dpkg ftpmustdie |
| 19:40.58 | itchi | vampirefrog: Go for http |
| 19:41.11 | vampirefrog | should this mirror be fixed soon? are these ususal mirror troubles? |
| 19:41.41 | itchi | vampirefrog: If it's broken, yeah, the may need to be fixed ;-) |
| 19:42.00 | itchi | vampirefrog: I may say, contact the owner and inform him |
| 19:42.11 | vampirefrog | ok |
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| 19:45.06 | vampirefrog | how the heck do i find the owner? :) |
| 19:45.11 | rkpisanu | hello. is it exists a windows replacement program url snooper ? |
| 19:45.12 | salvin | itchi, where's scratchy? |
| 19:45.25 | itchi | salvin: Normally, on #debian-nl |
| 19:45.53 | itchi | salvin: But the (supybot) bot is sleeping now :-p |
| 19:46.14 | wols_ | rkpisanu: to you mean a network sniffer like wireshark? |
| 19:46.51 | rkpisanu | yes, similar, but only print url |
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| 19:49.25 | itchi | rkpisanu: Do you suspect you bro watchin prono? :-) |
| 19:49.40 | itchi | Bah, my keyboard is used |
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| 19:50.27 | rkpisanu | nope |
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| 19:51.12 | pleed | Can anyone tell me how to build an own kernel in debian? several things cant be found when invoking "make menuconfig". Do i need the kernel headers? Something else? |
| 19:51.25 | sdubois92 | when i load gproftpd it freezes, so i removed it, and proftpd and did rm -r /etc/proftpd, reinstalled gproftp and it asked if it shuld replace proftpd.conf and i clicked yes and it froze again |
| 19:51.26 | wols_ | you need the kernel sources |
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| 19:51.34 | wols_ | pleed: install kernel-package and read its docs |
| 19:51.36 | itchi | pleed: ncurse |
| 19:51.36 | pleed | wols_: i have the kernel sources |
| 19:51.44 | petemc | pleed: build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 19:52.12 | jeboz | hi, im a newbie, and was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction on installing debian ? |
| 19:52.16 | pleed | ah damn ncurses missed. thanks! |
| 19:52.19 | wols_ | sdubois92: wrong way to remove config files |
| 19:52.22 | wols_ | !tell sdubois92 about confmiss |
| 19:52.59 | wols_ | !tell jeboz about ig |
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| 19:53.54 | DustyBin | does anybody know of a way of showing the transfer speed when copying a file? |
| 19:54.10 | sdubois92 | so what do i need to do to get it working? should i remove gproftpd and proftpd again? |
| 19:54.11 | DustyBin | simple question, but no simple solution on linux |
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| 19:54.33 | Batchy | use scp ? |
| 19:54.44 | jeboz | thanks, but what do i do when i start the boot and it does nothing but a black screen ? |
| 19:54.45 | DustyBin | does that show transfer speeds? |
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| 19:55.01 | wols_ | jeboz: start to boot what exactly? |
| 19:55.14 | jeboz | im using latest netinstall etch 4.r1 |
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| 19:56.00 | jeboz | well boot from the disk and get the debian screen wich give me option for help or boot |
| 19:56.00 | wols_ | jeboz: what boot medium? |
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| 19:56.00 | jeboz | i choose boot and then i get just a black screen |
| 19:56.00 | sdubois92 | so what do i need to do to get it working? should i remove gproftpd and proftpd again? |
| 19:56.05 | jeboz | from net install cd |
| 19:56.28 | wols_ | jeboz: try to play with boot parameters. what is your hardware? |
| 19:56.44 | jeboz | im using thinkpad r51e |
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| 19:57.43 | DustyBin | i think i found the solution, you can use dd to test speed! |
| 19:57.55 | wols_ | !thinkpad |
| 19:57.55 | dpkg | thinkpad is, like, one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html, or <mwavem> |
| 19:58.38 | segura | Hello guys. I have a problem with Fonts I cannot solve with my debian installation. Helvetica font is not available (for example in openoffice). Running emacs indicates something like "Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*--*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruc". Looked to fontpath in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/X11/fs/config and they are correct and indicate "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi". Xfontsel show me the fonts |
| 19:59.01 | jeboz | thanks guys, ill take a look and hopefully im up and running soon |
| 19:59.17 | jeboz | our of curisotiy, is debian a good place to start if ur a linux newbie |
| 19:59.32 | sdubois92 | jeboz: try ubuntu |
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| 19:59.42 | minerale | Greetings, how do I burn a .iso file from the command line? |
| 19:59.45 | jeboz | ubuntu just donst work |
| 19:59.52 | jeboz | :) |
| 19:59.58 | sdubois92 | what do you mean? |
| 20:00.02 | ben_goodger | jeboz: theoretically yes. but you need to be prepared to read stuff |
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| 20:00.25 | jeboz | ah ok, ubuntu dapper was good, everyting after that has been just headache |
| 20:00.37 | jeboz | might as well learn how to do the stuff it gives u on myown |
| 20:01.06 | sdubois92 | jeboz: before you try anything new, research it. it makes life a lot easier |
| 20:01.08 | segura | (Sorry, got a connection problem ... did somebody tried to reply to my question ?) |
| 20:01.11 | sdubois92 | ie, setting up Apache |
| 20:01.24 | ben_goodger | segura: nope |
| 20:01.35 | segura | thanks ben_goodger |
| 20:01.48 | jeboz | ya, thanks for the advice fellas, ill look around try it out :) |
| 20:02.13 | vampirefrog | ok I changed the mirror and mplayer was able to install, but now I get this error http://rafb.net/p/tT1nLz71.html |
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| 20:03.57 | russo | where are modules stores that should be automounted on boot? |
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| 20:04.30 | simonrvn | /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 20:04.31 | Backie | See once you extract java runtime 3 how do you get debian to notice its installed? |
| 20:04.48 | wols_ | vampirefrog: dpkg -l |grep xserver |
| 20:05.12 | russo | simonrvn: no i meant what script where i can add modules that should be loaded on boot |
| 20:05.26 | wols_ | russo: /etc/modules |
| 20:05.28 | vampirefrog | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/CutZB719.html |
| 20:05.56 | vampirefrog | Cut ZB 719 |
| 20:05.57 | vampirefrog | :D |
| 20:06.07 | vampirefrog | ZoidBerg |
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| 20:06.28 | wols_ | vampirefrog: looks alright. check if your new repository has the package via apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core |
| 20:06.53 | vampirefrog | Installed and Candidate are the same |
| 20:07.04 | vampirefrog | I just did a dist-upgrade too |
| 20:07.27 | vampirefrog | do you want a paste of that output too? |
| 20:07.39 | Backie | See once you extract java runtime 3 to /usr/java/ how do you get debian to notice its installed? |
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| 20:13.35 | vampirefrog | wols_: what else can I do? |
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| 20:14.40 | Dougy | hey guys |
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| 20:14.48 | Dougy | Anyone here got some time to assist me with a project? |
| 20:14.52 | wols_ | Backie: we don't support non dbeian stuff |
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| 20:15.02 | wols_ | Backie: especially not stuff that you can get via apt-get |
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| 20:15.16 | Dougy | a web based projet |
| 20:15.29 | wols_ | Dougy: is your question debian related? |
| 20:15.39 | Dougy | wols_: yes. |
| 20:15.50 | Dougy | It's about EOL distros |
| 20:15.52 | Dougy | debian being one |
| 20:15.58 | L0cKn | Debian.. |
| 20:15.59 | L0cKn | Hmmm |
| 20:16.06 | wols_ | Dougy: ##linux |
| 20:16.09 | L0cKn | Debian is the best Linux distribution :-O |
| 20:16.09 | openstandards | hi quick question what do i need to check in gconf to pervent naulitus from opening a new window when clicking on a folder |
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| 20:16.29 | Backie | Wols_ well getting debian to notice software is install is a debian product |
| 20:16.31 | Dougy | wols_ yes sir |
| 20:16.44 | ben_goodger | openstandards: edit > preferences > behaviour > always open in browser windows |
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| 20:17.10 | wols_ | Backie: the only way debian installs software is via apt-get/dpkg and then debian package management recognizes the software just fine |
| 20:17.11 | opexoc | Why debian is the best distribution? :) |
| 20:17.21 | wols_ | !why debian |
| 20:17.21 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 20:17.51 | wols_ | Backie: since you didn't do it that way: ask the people who you got the software from, but not us |
| 20:17.55 | pleed | Does anyone have an idea why my TAP openvpn server doesnt let the clients connect to each other. tcpdump on the server shows that it doesnt answer the arp request sent by the clients. any ideas? |
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| 20:18.22 | Backie | Wols_, um I would have got it from debian but they don't give you it, and sub are just as usually as yous |
| 20:18.24 | wols_ | pleed: client to client is allowed in the server config? |
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| 20:18.39 | Backie | *useless |
| 20:18.40 | wols_ | !tell Backie about java |
| 20:18.48 | pleed | wols_: didnt know i have to extra allow it |
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| 20:19.26 | wols_ | Backie: can you translate your speech to mere mortals? |
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| 20:19.50 | codesquid2 | Greetings |
| 20:20.14 | codesquid2 | how can I install _all_ the -dev packages for all the other packages I have installed? |
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| 20:21.31 | pleed | wols_: thanks! that fixed the problem |
| 20:22.16 | DustyBin | what would this be in kilobytes? |
| 20:22.18 | DustyBin | 104718.40 kbits/sec |
| 20:22.35 | wols_ | divide by 1024 |
| 20:22.39 | DustyBin | ok |
| 20:22.53 | wols_ | arg! |
| 20:22.57 | wols_ | ignore my I'm stupid |
| 20:23.03 | wols_ | of course it should be divide by 8 |
| 20:23.14 | DustyBin | wols_ stupid? never.. |
| 20:23.29 | pleed | wols_: and i thought it would be a bridging problem... |
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| 20:28.44 | openstandards | hi do you know what needs to be done to sync a sony ericsson 990i to a gnome box |
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| 20:29.49 | nkuttler | codesquid2: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:30.06 | abrotman | openstandards: did you check the gammu website? |
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| 20:32.10 | openstandards | gammu...nope |
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| 20:32.33 | dimm0k | with kernel 2.6.21.5 my dell inspiron 9300's HD was seen as sda, but compiling 2.6.23.1 i get a kernel panic during boot where it looks to be seeing my HD as hda... anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:32.33 | codesquid2 | nkuttler: trying to compile some custom programs. I'm used from Gentoo to have the headers for every installed library already available. |
| 20:33.13 | abrotman | codesquid2: do you actually need them? |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | codesquid2: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 20:33.54 | codesquid2 | wxWidgets SVN trunk for example |
| 20:34.04 | codesquid2 | I know how to manually install the required -dev headers |
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| 20:34.18 | codesquid2 | but to reduce work overhead, I'd like to have all -dev packages installed |
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| 20:35.26 | dondelelcaro | you can't have them all installed, because some of them conflict with eachother, and doing so would require installing most of the archive. |
| 20:36.15 | nkuttler | codesquid2: apt-get build-dep package might help |
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| 20:36.24 | dondelelcaro | you *can* use auto-apt or similar to cause then to be installed when they're requested, but that's not exactly optimal. |
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| 20:37.09 | Ward1983_ | y |
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| 20:39.42 | abrotman | erm .. did lists.d.o go offline? |
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| 20:40.26 | xsdg | abrotman: looks like it; it doesn't ping, at least |
| 20:40.32 | xsdg | that sucks :o) |
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| 20:40.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did lists.d.o die? |
| 20:41.17 | streuner | heh |
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| 20:41.29 | codesquid2 | nkuttler: build-dep isn't enough |
| 20:41.42 | xsdg | abrotman: reported to #d-d on oftc |
| 20:41.45 | codesquid2 | for example wxWidgets can use built-in libpng or the system's libpng |
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| 20:41.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, it's being moved. |
| 20:42.35 | codesquid2 | nkuttler: and apt-get build-dep doesn't pull in libpng-dev |
| 20:43.17 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: does master have another name, or is that it's primary name? |
| 20:43.35 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but it looks like the network that msater and murphy are behind is down, though it was working a second ago |
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| 20:43.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: so it will be resuscitated soon? :) |
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| 20:43.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh .. that's not good .. but okay |
| 20:44.02 | dondelelcaro | well, presumably. I sent mail thorugh it at 12:26 |
| 20:44.13 | dondelelcaro | (18 minutes ago) |
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| 20:47.23 | snacky | I recently updated all my xmame packages, and xmame.x11 no longer respects the "-x11" argument (though it's still listed in the manpage). any clues what I should do/where I should look? |
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| 20:55.35 | abrotman | snacky: updated from where ? |
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| 20:57.07 | pleed | is there a special command to add an init script to a runlevel under debian? |
| 20:57.15 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 20:57.21 | pleed | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:57.57 | snacky | abrotman: debian testing repo |
| 20:58.14 | abrotman | but that's the same version that is in stable |
| 20:58.24 | abrotman | or so packages.d.o says |
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| 20:59.01 | pleed | can someone explain to me what these SK numbers say in the links to the init scripts? |
| 20:59.08 | snacky | not sure what version I had before but I'm pretty sure it was about 1 year old. and it supported the "-x11 3" (which enables XView) option |
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| 20:59.58 | Jabka | how can i know what package uses a port ? using nmap i got 8081/tcp open blackice-icecap |
| 21:00.00 | vampirefrog | how do I forcefully reinstall a package? |
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| 21:00.30 | xoz | apt-get install --reinstall package |
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| 21:00.32 | abrotman | Jabka: fuser -n tcp 8081 |
| 21:01.22 | vampirefrog | ah thanks xoz |
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| 21:01.55 | abrotman | snacky: you could check the changelog |
| 21:02.27 | abrotman | snacky: and in my lenny veresion ..it has a -x11 |
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| 21:02.55 | abrotman | (though the version is the same in everything except oldstable) |
| 21:03.33 | Jabka | does mono should hold 8081 port open by default ? |
| 21:03.48 | Jabka | i meen www-data |
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| 21:05.07 | Jabka | abrotman:Thank you |
| 21:05.21 | abrotman | snacky: did you search the man page for -x11 ? |
| 21:05.30 | snacky | abrotman: yes. it's in there. |
| 21:05.40 | abrotman | snacky: so i'm not crazy? |
| 21:05.58 | snacky | abrotman: man page for "xmame.x11" and "xmame" |
| 21:06.11 | abrotman | snacky: those are the same man page |
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| 21:07.43 | abrotman | snacky: if you look at the man page for xmame.x11 (ls -l /usr/share/man/man6/xmame.x11.6.gz) .. it should point to the xmame one |
| 21:07.57 | snacky | abrotman: anyway, the man page lists the option, and the binary rejects it |
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| 21:08.07 | abrotman | snacky: then you'd file a bug on it .. |
| 21:08.12 | abrotman | snacky: also check the changelog |
| 21:08.24 | Ace2016 | guys its happening again |
| 21:08.32 | Ace2016 | the startup sound in kde sounds bad again |
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| 21:08.57 | Ace2016 | it seems when the system starts up and i login the startup sound sounds bad but on the next login its ok |
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| 21:10.20 | snacky | abrotman: changelog provides no clue. |
| 21:10.31 | abrotman | snacky: okay .. then you might want to file a bug |
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| 21:12.49 | Jabka | Does any one familuer with Free BTN software ? (Balanced Ternary Notation) |
| 21:13.01 | Jabka | i mean that is based on it |
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| 21:20.18 | noocx | hi |
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| 21:22.28 | noocx | can someone help me, how can i remove a half-configured package(xserver-xorg from sid) with dpkg? I can't install or uninstall it, post-installation script gives an error code 10 |
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| 21:23.47 | redduck666 | noocx: dpkg -r <package name> |
| 21:23.57 | noocx | i tried that too, doesnt work |
| 21:24.00 | rubymonk | Hello :) Can I recompile the kernel just like any package ? As in: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 modify a little of the kernel source and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? |
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| 21:24.36 | rubymonk | I *think* it should work... just wondering if it WILL actually work :) |
| 21:25.43 | Jabka | noocx what exactly isn't working ? |
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| 21:27.09 | tims108 | any books or good info for mutt mail client? |
| 21:27.20 | noocx | Jabka: i remove the whole xorg, now i tried to install it again and i cant reinstall it because xserver-xorg's post-install script gives an error |
| 21:27.24 | noocx | removed* |
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| 21:28.01 | redduck666 | noocx: how about posting the error? |
| 21:28.14 | noocx | ok i type it |
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| 21:30.02 | Jabka | Any one that works on DNA here ? |
| 21:30.23 | Jabka | or ony other aspect of chemestry and computing ? |
| 21:31.44 | noocx | i cant type the exact error message in english |
| 21:31.50 | noocx | i get an error code only |
| 21:31.58 | noocx | from pre-install script and post-install script |
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| 21:32.06 | noocx | error code 10 |
| 21:32.33 | noocx | pre-removal script sorry |
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| 21:34.35 | noocx | i tried dpkg with -force too |
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| 21:36.18 | suppaman | I'd like to get a command's output as user but the command need to be launched as root, what are possibile solutions, suid apart ? |
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| 21:37.54 | wols_ | huh? "output as user"? |
| 21:38.19 | sauvin | redirect the output to a file that 'user' can later read. |
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| 21:39.55 | abrotman | sauvin: just dump it to a text file .. and chown or chmod so the user can read it |
| 21:40.18 | sauvin | tell that to suppaman! |
| 21:41.16 | suppaman | I'm trying to put network throughput into fbpanel |
| 21:41.32 | suppaman | but slurm and ethstatus (user usable) aren't suitable |
| 21:41.37 | suppaman | I should use iptraf |
| 21:41.38 | redduck666 | suppaman: the thing that matters is not as which user the command is launched, but as which use the shell launching the command is launched. |
| 21:42.00 | redduck666 | anyway, i'd go with abrotman's suggestion. |
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| 21:42.19 | L0cKn | Good Night IRC :-) |
| 21:42.20 | abrotman | ntop ? |
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| 21:42.31 | rubymonk | Hello :) Can I recompile the kernel just like any package ? As in: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 modify a little of the kernel source and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? |
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| 21:43.51 | wols_ | rubymonk: you can but you shouldn't |
| 21:43.51 | rubymonk | Why so ? |
| 21:43.51 | wols_ | use kernel-package |
| 21:43.52 | wols_ | well it will compile about a dozen kernels then |
| 21:43.59 | rubymonk | oh, for each arch right ? |
| 21:44.05 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 21:44.13 | rubymonk | Didn't think about it |
| 21:44.24 | rubymonk | Right, thanks wols_ |
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| 21:44.48 | rubymonk | Actually... wait |
| 21:44.59 | rubymonk | Nah, not for each arch |
| 21:45.09 | rubymonk | why a dozen kernels? |
| 21:45.24 | noocx | http://pastebin.com/m7f389e07 |
| 21:45.32 | noocx | this is the error message |
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| 21:45.48 | suppaman | redduck666: I won't launch anything by my own, fbpanel has a config file that allows for "generic monitor" |
| 21:45.53 | |DuReX| | http://pastebin.com/m3c5789e0 <- any id whats causing this ? :( |
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| 21:46.22 | |DuReX| | hi smiler :) |
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| 21:48.49 | vms | Does the netinst contain the kernel source suitable for recompiling the linux kernel on, say, an old sony vaio picturebook with transmeta crusoe processor? |
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| 21:48.57 | lymeca | I'm trying to copy 1GB files off of the SDHC 4gb card in my camera using libgphoto2 frontends such as gtkam and digikam,but always around ~90% transferring my whole computer locks up until several minutes after I power down the camera which is connected via USB. |
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| 21:49.27 | lymeca | Smaller files are still transferred fine,but the large ones just refuse to be copied off...but I need to get to them! What can I do> |
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| 21:52.34 | efaistos | hi does someone use network-manager applet ? I tried it but apparently there is something not working ... |
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| 21:53.14 | h3sp4wn | efaistos: Its crap if you want to change something use gconf-editor |
| 21:53.43 | h3sp4wn | i.e remove a network that you typoed the passphrase etc |
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| 21:54.23 | efaistos | h3sp4wn: i would like an applet for a person who doesnt know much about linux ... |
| 21:54.27 | efaistos | or computer at all |
| 21:54.49 | h3sp4wn | efaistos: That is not a suitable application then |
| 21:55.06 | h3sp4wn | efaistos: I have heard the kde network manager is more sensible |
| 21:55.09 | h3sp4wn | (but never used it) |
| 21:55.16 | efaistos | gnome user |
| 21:55.37 | gkiagia | nah, network manager sucks in both kde and gnome |
| 21:56.00 | efaistos | gkiagia: another applet usable under gnome ? |
| 21:56.10 | h3sp4wn | gkiagia: apparantly you can remove networks and stuff from the gui in the kde one |
| 21:56.31 | h3sp4wn | messing around in gconf is not suitable for a new computer user |
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| 21:56.53 | efaistos | h3sp4wn: i agree with that |
| 21:57.00 | gkiagia | efaistos: gnome has a nice configuration dialog for network settings but I don't know of any applet |
| 21:57.18 | snacky | abrotman: I filed a bug. I also found the same problem exists in upstream. I'll try downloading an ancient xmame from upstream and see if I learn anything |
| 21:57.50 | abrotman | snacky: hrm .. okay |
| 21:58.18 | gkiagia | h3sp4wn: well, the kde network manager for me is the most useless app on my desktop... I only have it just to see if network manager is connected or not when I want to use dhcp |
| 21:58.49 | h3sp4wn | snacky: sdlmame is the only currently maintained one |
| 21:58.52 | efaistos | http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/ found this one |
| 21:58.58 | h3sp4wn | snacky: what is the issue ? |
| 21:59.23 | suppaman | bye |
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| 21:59.28 | snacky | "-x11 3" uses hardware acceleration |
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| 21:59.42 | snacky | sdl really sucks by comparison |
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| 21:59.47 | h3sp4wn | snacky: with which version of mame ? |
| 22:00.05 | h3sp4wn | sdlmame plays ever gave I am have tried with opengl at 100% speed for me |
| 22:00.06 | snacky | h3sp4wn: I started with .106 here. I'm going back to .95 to see how it does |
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| 22:00.14 | abrotman | snacky: sdl has an option to use hw accel IIRC |
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| 22:00.37 | snacky | h3sp4wn: yes, opengl is the other reasonable option besides XView |
| 22:01.00 | h3sp4wn | snacky: http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/sdlmame0120u2.zip |
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| 22:01.54 | h3sp4wn | all others are not even remotely upto date with upstream mame |
| 22:01.59 | h3sp4wn | (xmame and advancemame) |
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| 22:05.13 | levander | I've had memtest going for like two hours, and it's only 30% complete, no errors found. Do you guys let it run for the full (several hours) test before deciding your memory is okay? |
| 22:05.18 | efaistos | hmmm ... wifi-radar doesnt work with normal user ? and it doesnt detect the wireless connections available :'( |
| 22:05.43 | snacky | abrotman, h3sp4wn: what options do you run xmame with to cause it to run in fullscreen? I have to ask since the man page is wrong and the options I used to use don't work |
| 22:05.57 | abrotman | i don't use xmame |
| 22:06.09 | abrotman | levander: you should really let it run at least overnight .. if not longer |
| 22:06.25 | levander | damn |
| 22:06.39 | levander | i was hoping to try some other stuff with that box today |
| 22:06.42 | levander | but, thanks abrotman |
| 22:06.54 | levander | you been here a long time answering questions, i remember you from like a year ago |
| 22:06.55 | h3sp4wn | snacky: I don't use xmame either for the reasons above |
| 22:07.02 | drc | that must be quite a huge memory test if it takes that long :P |
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| 22:07.39 | levander | drc: It's a 440BX motherboard. The memory is slower than today's memory. It's only 512MB of RAM. |
| 22:07.40 | snacky | h3sp4wn: so, are you using debian's xmame-sdl, or, rbelmont's sources? |
| 22:08.03 | h3sp4wn | snacky: the sources |
| 22:08.29 | h3sp4wn | sdlmame is not in debian or was not last time I checked |
| 22:09.01 | elif | hi, theres is a good manual to set /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm file? or maybe .Xdefaults ? thks anyhelp |
| 22:09.25 | h3sp4wn | elif: What do you want to do ? |
| 22:09.31 | h3sp4wn | elif: (probably not) |
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| 22:09.50 | elif | I want my xterm to have proper size when initiating |
| 22:09.51 | elif | it |
| 22:09.55 | elif | font |
| 22:09.58 | elif | also |
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| 22:10.33 | h3sp4wn | debian uses .Xresources |
| 22:10.35 | elif | every time I start xterm the fonts are too tiny and I have to use the mouse to set it properly |
| 22:10.56 | elif | and the size of window its too small also |
| 22:11.18 | h3sp4wn | http://paste.debian.net/41499 (I use that but) |
| 22:11.45 | elif | thks h3sp4wn I'll get a look |
| 22:12.38 | h3sp4wn | man xterm is hugely complicated |
| 22:13.09 | elif | yes, I don't know why X-apps has to be soo difficult to setup |
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| 22:13.23 | elif | it was a design decision ;-) |
| 22:14.09 | elif | they thought how can we get it more complicated ?? |
| 22:15.07 | elif | but, they 're nice when working properly |
| 22:18.09 | elif | do I have to rum xrdb before see changes ? |
| 22:18.28 | h3sp4wn | yep |
| 22:18.45 | dakoo | how much tire pressure i need to keep in my car tire? |
| 22:18.48 | h3sp4wn | but if you use .Xresources instead of .Xdefaults you don't have to do the merge manually every time |
| 22:19.41 | elif | I did from the cmd line but no changes seems to appear, I set white fo bg to see if any changes, but none |
| 22:19.46 | sauvin | dakoo, about 32 PSI. |
| 22:19.47 | elif | I wrote to .Xresources |
| 22:19.58 | dakoo | sauvin: thank you |
| 22:20.01 | h3sp4wn | is it in xrdb -query ? |
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| 22:20.02 | abrotman | dakoo: are you serious? |
| 22:20.21 | abrotman | dakoo: read your owner's manual .. 32 is very likely wrong |
| 22:20.34 | thruxton | elif: xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources did nothing? |
| 22:20.36 | dakoo | abrotman: oh no |
| 22:20.48 | dakoo | 32 seems like a nice round number |
| 22:21.04 | sauvin | I guess years and years of experience working with cars doesn't count for much, eh? |
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| 22:21.29 | sauvin | It won't be less than 28 or more than 35. |
| 22:21.36 | elif | I got it now, it appears to -query, thks, but I' ll have to adjust the geometry |
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| 22:21.47 | elif | it is too small yet |
| 22:22.10 | dakoo | sauvin: i'll do 32, just looked at my car tire and it seems low, probably because of cold |
| 22:22.47 | sauvin | dakoo, your owner's manual may differ with me slightly, and if you'll look at the side of the tire, you'll probably see recommendations as well. |
| 22:23.05 | stiv2k | hey where did gnome-system-monitor go? |
| 22:23.12 | dakoo | sauvin: it may also be listed on the door |
| 22:23.20 | sauvin | Yes, actually, it very well may. |
| 22:23.40 | dakoo | i'll check those places |
| 22:24.07 | elif | what from that line define the font size : XTerm*font: -xos4-terminus-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso8859-15 ? |
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| 22:24.48 | h3sp4wn | elif: its just the font I wanted from xlsfonts |
| 22:25.20 | elif | how the font size can be changed ? |
| 22:25.24 | h3sp4wn | elif: there is shorter names for them but they vary between systems |
| 22:25.58 | elif | the font you choose appears nice to me, just the size I would like to change |
| 22:26.12 | elif | make it bigger |
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| 22:28.46 | nite613__ | Runnning testing and xorg recently broke. Now startx brings a screen with white pixels creeping in from the corners. Intel 830 card, uses the i810 driver in xorg, intel_agp is loaded, and everything WAS working fine; I must have recently updated and not restarted my X server |
| 22:29.29 | nite613__ | I've seen this white creeping thing before, used to happen when I'd swtich to a text term and back again - I recall it had somethign to do with re-running the video-post when switching back, but can't recall where I twiddled that option |
| 22:29.52 | nite613__ | of course now it happens even on first init, running kdm |
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| 22:30.24 | horny_15 | hi |
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| 22:31.15 | simonrvn | sucks |
| 22:31.29 | Dave2 | that went in completely the opposite direction to what I was expecting. |
| 22:31.42 | simonrvn | what did? |
| 22:31.59 | Dave2 | the person who just parted. |
| 22:32.05 | simonrvn | mm |
| 22:32.19 | simonrvn | expected actual trolling? |
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| 22:33.24 | elif | hum... I ran xlsfonts. How can I saw then to choose one properly ? |
| 22:33.33 | simonrvn | for? |
| 22:33.42 | simonrvn | xfontsel FTW |
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| 22:34.20 | elif | simonrvn: thks |
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| 22:36.46 | Nuxis | how do I fix broken packages apt-get ...? |
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| 22:36.58 | abrotman | why is it broken? |
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| 22:37.34 | Nuxis | abrotman: got some problem dunno wya but I'm setting up a ircd server and I can't connect to it and aptitude say's it's not installed |
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| 22:38.23 | Nuxis | however I can find the config's and the deamon |
| 22:38.24 | abrotman | how did you install it? |
| 22:38.31 | Nuxis | apt-get install ircd-hybrid |
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| 22:38.46 | Nuxis | apt-get --purge remove ircd-hybrid doesn't work because it say it isn't installed |
| 22:38.57 | Nuxis | but I can find all files on the system |
| 22:39.14 | abrotman | Nuxis: dpkg -l irc* |
| 22:39.21 | Nuxis | kk I try that sec |
| 22:39.30 | simonrvn | probably have to wrap that in quotes |
| 22:39.38 | simonrvn | shell special |
| 22:39.52 | Nuxis | yup rc ircd-hybrid 7.2.2.dfsg.2-3 high-performance secure IRC server |
| 22:39.55 | Nuxis | and some others |
| 22:40.02 | abrotman | it's already been removed |
| 22:40.11 | Nuxis | but wya I can find the deamon etc... :s |
| 22:40.29 | Nuxis | sec I try something |
| 22:41.05 | Nuxis | k I installed it let me check or I can connect to it |
| 22:41.30 | Nuxis | well connection estab.. and then it get lost |
| 22:41.58 | abrotman | so check the ircd logs |
| 22:42.08 | simonrvn | "daemon" |
| 22:42.11 | Nuxis | kk tnx I will try it |
| 22:42.23 | Nuxis | now sleep school tomorow :( Night all |
| 22:42.32 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 22:42.40 | elif | I think I'll give up with the fonts size stuff, It's too much effort to have it right, thats the kind of stuff that turns out to be user unfriendly, but who says that the bash (only reason to use xterm) is friendly ;-) |
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| 22:45.15 | levander | Is there any benchmark for 2D (not 3D) graphics? I think my video card is freezing up when I'm doing 2D graphics (ie browsing web). |
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| 22:47.42 | levander | I just need something that does a lot of 2D graphics that's not Firefox. |
| 22:48.07 | Nuxis | abrotman: I fixed it :) the ports 6667-6669 are in use I changed it to 6661 and it's working now. NOw I gonna sleep and I find out what program is using that ports tnx |
| 22:48.29 | Nuxis | cya all |
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| 22:48.31 | abrotman | ok |
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| 22:48.35 | abrotman | levander: just play a game |
| 22:48.38 | Trewas | levander: there's x11perf |
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| 22:48.44 | nico_ | hi |
| 22:49.25 | nico_ | anybody can help getting my treo to sync with my laptop? |
| 22:49.40 | stiv2k | does anybody know what happened to the enemy-territory game and why is it not free anymore? |
| 22:49.50 | stiv2k | moreover, unavailable |
| 22:50.00 | stiv2k | i loved that game |
| 22:50.03 | h3sp4wn | It was never free or it would have been added to Debian |
| 22:50.21 | stiv2k | erhm, not free as in 'open source' but free as in $0 |
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| 22:54.13 | netdaemon | the engine is open source :P |
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| 22:54.44 | stiv2k | heh |
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| 22:54.56 | netdaemon | thats about it |
| 22:54.57 | netdaemon | lol |
| 22:55.08 | levander | Why when I run x11perf do I just get a list of all the options available? I looked at the man page, and don't see any required arguments. |
| 22:55.10 | netdaemon | uses a modified quake3 engine |
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| 22:55.50 | Trewas | levander: 'x11perf -all' runs all the tests |
| 22:56.05 | stiv2k | netdaemon: but still, i remember being able to go to their website and download the entire game and play for free... now it seems you have to buy it? since when did they do that and why |
| 22:56.21 | levander | Trewas: I don't want to run all the tests, just the five that are run by default (default according to the man page). |
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| 22:56.38 | levander | Trewas: all the tests are supposed to take a long time, that's not what I'm after right now. |
| 22:56.45 | Gibbonz | anyone else noticed the installer doesn't observe mount options? |
| 22:56.48 | netdaemon | stiv2k: link? |
| 22:57.00 | stiv2k | netdaemon: http://enemy-territory.com |
| 22:57.16 | stiv2k | WHAO |
| 22:57.18 | stiv2k | wtf |
| 22:57.23 | stiv2k | that is _NOT_ the website i saw the other day |
| 22:57.46 | stiv2k | the other day i was looking at something about quake wars and it had links to purchase the game and whatnot |
| 22:57.48 | abrotman | Gibbonz: i'd imagine it's not the full mount command |
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| 22:58.05 | stiv2k | ah |
| 22:58.07 | stiv2k | http://www.enemyterritory.com/ |
| 22:58.11 | netdaemon | stiv2k: http://www.planetwolfenstein.com/enemyterritory/ |
| 22:58.15 | stiv2k | http://enemy-territory.com |
| 22:58.18 | stiv2k | two different websites |
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| 22:58.24 | netdaemon | wrong game |
| 22:58.25 | netdaemon | lol |
| 22:58.34 | levander | Trewas: I'm running x11perf -all, I don't see jack on my screen, except for this one window in the upper left of my desktop that has a bunch of lines squiggling on it. Is that really a 2D benchmark? |
| 22:58.41 | stiv2k | lol |
| 22:58.55 | jelly-home | levander: yes it is |
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| 22:59.03 | abrotman | levander: i think you can change the resolution of the test |
| 22:59.12 | Trewas | levander: I noticed options for either all or single tests, and it is supposed to test all the 2d operations X can do |
| 22:59.28 | levander | I don't think those squiggly lines are really stressing my video card like I was hoping... |
| 22:59.40 | Gibbonz | i set noatime when defining partitions but they don't show in mount |
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| 22:59.46 | abrotman | you asked for 2d damn it! |
| 22:59.49 | levander | Maybe it's stressing X, and not my video card? |
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| 23:00.00 | Trewas | levander: obviosly, X and 2d graphics is so 80's :) |
| 23:00.05 | levander | abrotman: You've seen all the stuff Firefox does in 2D? |
| 23:00.08 | jelly-home | levander: they're not, it measures performance of X11 |
| 23:00.10 | Gibbonz | checked the atime of /target/etc/fstab and it seems to be a default mount |
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| 23:00.15 | abrotman | levander: i told you to play a game :) |
| 23:00.24 | levander | Okay, which game? |
| 23:00.30 | abrotman | one you like? |
| 23:00.39 | abrotman | find an SDL full screen game or some crap |
| 23:00.39 | Gibbonz | of course the target fstab has the mount options :) |
| 23:00.42 | levander | i don't play any games on Linux |
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| 23:02.30 | levander | okay, i found abuse-sdl, i'll try that whatever that is |
| 23:02.33 | levander | thanks abrotman |
| 23:02.50 | abrotman | hehe .. written by crack.com IIRC |
| 23:03.17 | levander | abuse isn't gonna do cracky stuff to my PC is it??? |
| 23:03.34 | abrotman | no .. abuse was written by a bunch of teenagers |
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| 23:03.58 | abrotman | levander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_%28computer_game%29 |
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| 23:04.28 | levander | Well, this x11perf does have my graphics card up to 67 C. I think it was around 40 C before I started... Wish I had checke before I started x11perf. |
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| 23:07.38 | levander | Anyone remembers how many tests memtest runs? I'm on test #4. |
| 23:07.57 | zinx | which memtest? memtest86+ has around 10 i think |
| 23:08.04 | zinx | maybe a bit more |
| 23:08.18 | abrotman | levander: it doesn't stop IIRC |
| 23:08.19 | levander | yeah, i should give up waiting, like everyone else told me to, just come back tomorrow.. |
| 23:08.23 | zinx | and some run slower than others - and some are more effective than others |
| 23:08.26 | levander | doesn't stop??? |
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| 23:08.32 | zinx | levander: it will do multiple passes |
| 23:08.39 | levander | is letting it run for 4.5 hours with no errors found enough? |
| 23:08.48 | zinx | levander: what pass is it on? |
| 23:09.17 | levander | Oh, that's what that column means. It's on Pass 3. |
| 23:09.19 | zinx | levander: the speed it runs varies quite a bit by ram speed/processor speed/amount of cache/etc |
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| 23:09.25 | zinx | levander: then your ram's probably fine |
| 23:09.31 | levander | yeah, i'm stopping it |
| 23:09.33 | levander | thanks guys |
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| 23:11.11 | stopher | Hello- I need to install freeb-0.13.tar.gz onto debian. The software that relies on freeb looks for it in /usr/share/freeb/public. Can I get information on installing this, please? |
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| 23:11.50 | levander | okay, i wanna run a filesystem check to see if that last system freeze and hard reboot screwed up the filesystem. Just go into single user mode and "fsck -A"? |
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| 23:19.00 | levander | Now there are like Egyptian hieroglyphics dancing around on the x11perf window |
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| 23:19.37 | jelly-home | levander: they don't dance, they walk. |
| 23:19.56 | jelly-home | ... like an Egyptian. |
| 23:21.31 | stopher | bash.org anyone? :P |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | oh .. you can have that pleasure |
| 23:21.56 | [Naigovan] | -)) |
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| 23:22.23 | jelly-home | zero chance to get good ratings, though |
| 23:22.31 | stopher | yeah true dat |
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| 23:23.52 | stopher | i foudn the freeb thing on google :) |
| 23:24.15 | stopher | now do I really want to get up and walk to the server and do it---now that i know it will forever be on a website? |
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| 23:25.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: Hazy Shade of Winter? |
| 23:26.14 | jelly-home | locate Hazy doesn't return any matches, so I guess not |
| 23:26.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: you suck :) |
| 23:27.06 | jelly-home | nah, I sucked 30 years ago |
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| 23:27.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's a pretty good cover .. if you can find it |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | i think it's from the 'Less than Zero' soundtrack |
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| 23:29.04 | Nyle | did ya now |
| 23:29.07 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 23:30.35 | russo | how can i set jumboframes on debian |
| 23:30.44 | russo | i mean in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:31.11 | abrotman | you mean your mtu ? |
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| 23:31.46 | jelly-home | right, add "mtu 9000" or whatever the desired vaule |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces tell syou how |
| 23:32.10 | jelly-home | hardware and drivers have to support it |
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| 23:34.54 | russo | abrotman: yes :P |
| 23:34.57 | russo | ok |
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| 23:39.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: fortunately youtube has everything |
| 23:39.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: you found it? |
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| 23:41.48 | jelly-home | sure did |
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| 23:43.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: did you like it ? |
| 23:43.43 | stiv2k | hmm anyone here play enemy-territory? |
| 23:43.46 | stiv2k | the game is giving this error |
| 23:43.52 | stiv2k | ..loading libGL.so.1: QGL_Init: dlopen libGL.so.1 failed: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:43.56 | stiv2k | Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem |
| 23:44.44 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's much better than the usual Bangles hits that still get played; then again, it is a Simon&Garfunkel song ;-) |
| 23:44.51 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:46.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: and if you get a chance .. that came from a good movie |
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| 23:46.31 | abrotman | (though there is a book version also) |
| 23:46.36 | fas3r | hello every body |
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| 23:47.38 | fas3r | what the more easy command for send ail with file ? |
| 23:48.18 | fas3r | mail* |
| 23:48.24 | jelly-home | echo | mutt -s "Some subject" -a some.file recipient@example.org |
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| 23:48.58 | abrotman | !tell assasukasse about away |
| 23:49.18 | fas3r | jelly-home: ok thank ;) |
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| 23:50.54 | manu_hack | is it possible to read pdf files without using X? |
| 23:51.20 | sdubois92 | I'm trying to install a program from source and it says it could not locate OpenSSL. where is it? |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | libssl-dev |
| 23:52.02 | abrotman | manu_hack: do you have apt-file ? |
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| 23:52.47 | abrotman | manu_hack: there's pdf2ps .. once you have ps .. you can change it to lots of things including txt |
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| 23:54.07 | fas3r | jelly-home: mutt is based on exim4 or mutt is independent ? |
| 23:54.10 | manu_hack | abrotman: thx, |
| 23:54.26 | fas3r | it's just i use postif with ldap and i don't want create conflict |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | fas3r: mutt is its own program .. it's a MUA |
| 23:54.38 | fas3r | postfix* |
| 23:54.46 | fas3r | abrotman: oki |
| 23:54.54 | sdubois92 | abrotman: now its saying it cant find readline |
| 23:55.04 | abrotman | sdubois92: libreadline-dev? |
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| 23:55.31 | abrotman | sdubois92: apt-cache -- search -dev readline |
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| 23:58.27 | sdubois92 | abrotman: the program installed, when i try to run it (the program is wire = www.zankasoftware.com) the command is not found |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | i have no idea what that is .. i can only help with errors :) |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | BBS? are you serious? |
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