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| 00:03.53 | sdubois92 | its a great app |
| 00:04.02 | sdubois92 | It's like a modern day hotline |
| 00:04.15 | sdubois92 | tons of warez and what not |
| 00:04.18 | sdubois92 | i got it working |
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| 00:08.31 | sam1337 | Does debian have a graphical way of inputting a hdd encryption key similar to this: http://smallurl.co.uk/?1797 ? |
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| 00:10.38 | Nyle | !ping |
| 00:10.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:10.56 | sam1337 | !ding |
| 00:10.56 | dpkg | i guess ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/, or dong |
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| 00:12.02 | jahshua | hello, i have a command that i need to run to connect to me to my wpa network, i need it to be run on boot before the system runs the dhcp daemon, whereabouts in /etc/rc* would it be good to put this command? |
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| 00:12.26 | jahshua | i tried /etc/rc.local but no dice. |
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| 00:13.15 | h3sp4wn | jahshua: just read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 00:13.37 | fas3r | abrotman: sorry .. but where i configure my smtp server ? ( hostname, login and password ) ? |
| 00:14.08 | jahshua | h3sp4wn: okay, thanks. |
| 00:14.15 | abrotman | fas3r: huh? |
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| 00:15.31 | fas3r | yes i don't need to configure mutt ? because i have mail was send but i don't receive it |
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| 00:16.27 | Jabka | what is the name for the applet that shows all desktops in kde ? |
| 00:16.45 | wols_ | fas3r: depends how your mail system works |
| 00:16.51 | wols_ | by default mutt uses a mail spoolfile |
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| 00:17.26 | fas3r | i use external smtp server if it's the question |
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| 00:18.47 | wols_ | smtp is only for sending. you asked about receiving |
| 00:18.49 | jelly-home | if your local mta is configured to send mail of outside world there, it ought to work |
| 00:19.04 | fas3r | wols_ no sending mail not receive |
| 00:19.08 | jelly-home | s/of/for/ |
| 00:19.50 | wols_ | fas3r: check your logs. exim is there by default and is used by any debian MUA |
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| 00:19.56 | forrestgmp | for a web server material, with many domains, what is faster? a quad core w/ 1gig or a dual xeon w/ 1 gig ? |
| 00:20.11 | wols_ | forrestgmp: a quad of course |
| 00:20.44 | forrestgmp | isnt dual cpu supposed to be faster> |
| 00:20.52 | forrestgmp | quad core is just a single cheap |
| 00:20.53 | forrestgmp | chip |
| 00:21.01 | forrestgmp | with 4 sub chips inside |
| 00:21.08 | forrestgmp | a dual xeon is actually two totally separate cpus |
| 00:21.09 | fas3r | wols_: ok if i use external smtp server for send my mail i need to specify it in exim4 file config it's that ? |
| 00:21.25 | wols_ | forrestgmp: checked xeons lately? seen any singlecores? |
| 00:21.32 | shogunx | well, you would need apache2-mpm-prefork to take advantage... at least you do with openmosix. |
| 00:21.43 | shogunx | unless you are using heavy sql |
| 00:21.44 | wols_ | fas3r: yes, you need to treat it as a smarthost |
| 00:21.49 | forrestgmp | so, quad core is better than a dual-xeon ? |
| 00:22.05 | wols_ | !better |
| 00:22.05 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 00:22.15 | wols_ | forrestgmp: also it's not exactly debian related |
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| 00:22.42 | nny | anyone know the name of the program that lets you remaster an install cd after adding compiled programs etc. (afetr install).. used to know what it was |
| 00:23.06 | wols_ | nny: mkisofs or what? |
| 00:23.24 | wols_ | !tell nny about custom cd |
| 00:23.29 | nny | thanks |
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| 00:35.50 | n00bular | you guys know that the debian kernel for x86_64 does not support amd8151 chipset with agp by default and that anyone who has a motherboard based on that has to completely recompile a custom kernel build to enable support. right? |
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| 00:37.26 | frankr | Hey, I'm looking for a program which will make nice looking graphs of polynomial / algebraic functions like a graphing calculator would. Any ideas? |
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| 00:37.48 | abrotman | gnumeric ? openoffice? |
| 00:38.00 | n00bular | python with graph library? |
| 00:40.30 | frankr | Openoffice can graph polynomials? |
| 00:40.40 | n00bular | Scilab might be too beefy. |
| 00:41.08 | edju | No wireless, getting "No DHCPOFFERS received". Bad news is at http://rafb.net/p/xpwPCb36.html. Anyone w/ a few moments to take a look and, if anything pops out as an obvious error, lemme know? |
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| 00:43.31 | liable | edju: which dhclient you using? whats your route output? the link-local thing is prolly avahi related, do you have an alias in ifconfig output? |
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| 00:46.30 | dondelelcaro | frankr: R |
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| 00:47.15 | edju | liable, just a sec, please |
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| 00:49.36 | Nyle | is it possible to boot a debian system from pxeboot? I have a debian etch laptop with tftpboot setup, and I want to boot any old computer over the net, instead of booting the debian installer, how can I give the pxe client access to my already running installation of etch? |
| 00:50.04 | Nyle | s/etch/laptop |
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| 00:50.29 | chibi_killstick | does apt-get keep a record of what packages are installed and when? |
| 00:50.36 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:50.42 | Nyle | chibi_killstick: aptitude does |
| 00:50.47 | chibi_killstick | Nyle: but not apt-get |
| 00:50.53 | Nyle | I dont' kow |
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| 00:51.02 | liable | chibi_killstick: dpkg has a log in etch and upwards |
| 00:51.27 | edju | liable, dhclient - I dunno acp dhclient comees up blank. route also a blank. ifconfig - no, don't think so - standard output. |
| 00:51.34 | Nyle | try /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 00:51.57 | abrotman | chibi_killstick: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:52.04 | chibi_killstick | Nyle, liable : indeed, /var/log/dpkg.log is the oen |
| 00:52.06 | chibi_killstick | one |
| 00:52.07 | liable | edju: try setting a static ip and route then |
| 00:52.22 | Nyle | !pxe |
| 00:52.22 | dpkg | methinks pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 00:52.27 | chibi_killstick | thanks! |
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| 00:53.13 | edju | liable, have to set a static at the router - have to discoveer how first. |
| 00:53.29 | liable | edju: no you dont, just set it on the linux box |
| 00:53.46 | edju | liable, Ah - OK. |
| 00:54.14 | liable | edju: 192.168.1.3 seeing as thats an ip that it seems to have had before from that router |
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| 00:56.58 | n00bular | So what's with the led related options in the kernel? |
| 00:57.19 | n00bular | what are they for doing? |
| 00:58.14 | drc | did you try to google |
| 00:58.19 | edju | I changed interfaces from dhcp to static, added thee address. liable, now at network restart I get SIOCDELRT: no such process . |
| 00:59.14 | drc | how are you restarting your network |
| 00:59.21 | liable | edju: you could have just done it with ifconfig and route instead of altering the file |
| 00:59.30 | liable | edju: paste your infaces as it is now |
| 00:59.45 | Shadowcat | liable: in here?! |
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| 01:01.12 | liable | Shadowcat: of course not |
| 01:01.57 | edju | liable, http://rafb.net/p/fSiXPA68.html |
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| 01:02.47 | liable | edju: ok, does wlan0 exist in 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 01:03.29 | liable | edju: is it a seperate ap and router? |
| 01:03.44 | liable | cause dhclient was trying to ping .254 |
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| 01:03.58 | edju | liable - yes, w/ the 192.168.1.3 address, |
| 01:04.21 | liable | edju: and it shows as up and running? |
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| 01:04.57 | edju | liable, wait - it shows as "ethernet", |
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| 01:05.37 | edju | liable, getting a route, now , too. |
| 01:05.55 | liable | is it associated? |
| 01:06.01 | liable | in iwconfig |
| 01:06.09 | edju | sudo iwconfig |
| 01:06.26 | edju | sorry, getting keyboards mixed up. |
| 01:06.51 | edju | liable, No, it ain't. |
| 01:06.55 | Shadowcat | edju: that's right, now type the root password in here |
| 01:06.57 | Shadowcat | ;) |
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| 01:07.02 | liable | heh |
| 01:07.15 | liable | !beat Shadowcat |
| 01:07.19 | edju | password |
| 01:07.27 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
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| 01:12.21 | edju | liable, saw a question I missed - it's an AT&T combo router, modem and kitchen sing thngee. |
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| 01:17.40 | liable | edju: whats its ip? |
| 01:17.58 | abrotman | whats it's ip? :) |
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| 01:18.45 | abrotman | ow's! |
| 01:19.06 | liable | heh |
| 01:19.12 | guapo | has anyone here gotten Unreal Tournament 3 to work on debian? |
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| 01:19.44 | bzed | does anybody have an idea why iceweasel uses application/pgp for .diff files? |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | bzed: you did it! |
| 01:20.18 | edju | liable, 192.168.1.254 |
| 01:20.45 | liable | edju: why did you make the gateway .1 in your interfaces file? |
| 01:20.58 | guapo | has anyone here gotten Unreal Tournament 3 to work on debian? |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | bzed: mine doesn't have that |
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| 01:23.09 | guapo | does anyone here have the Unreal Tournament 3 demo? |
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| 01:24.02 | bzed | abrotman: are you using enigmail? |
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| 01:24.08 | abrotman | bzed: nope |
| 01:24.12 | BerMeJo | hi all |
| 01:25.13 | edju | liable, dunno - picked it up somewhere. the router shows the lap (inacitive) as .67, changed the static to that, and gateway to .254 - same results - SIOCDEELRT: no such process. |
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| 01:26.04 | liable | edju: paste the ifconfig, route and iwconfig output, also ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 output |
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| 01:28.35 | edju | liable, that's a lot of typing - but now iwconfig shows no ip at all. |
| 01:29.22 | liable | edju: it wont show an ip, but does it show the ssid and signal strength? |
| 01:30.56 | edju | liable, no ssid - sinal strength? is that Bit Rate, Tx-Power? |
| 01:31.19 | edju | liable, Oh, Signal level is 0 |
| 01:31.53 | edju | liable, when the atatic was .3, iwconfig showed that. |
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| 01:37.08 | dalias | made me smile: http://xkcd.com/178/ |
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| 01:39.54 | Ward1983_ | what do i need to isntall to be able to do a make? |
| 01:40.43 | haggz | Ward1983_: the build-essential package, at least, possibly more stuff depending on what you are compiling |
| 01:41.30 | Ward1983_ | haggz, ty then i'll start from build-essential :-) |
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| 01:55.50 | edju | liable, http://rafb.net/p/FM1l7b39.html |
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| 01:59.50 | ddalton | ok I want to install debian. Where do I get the files from? and what hardware info will I need? |
| 02:00.03 | ddalton | I got my box off ebay. |
| 02:00.06 | dalias | see the website |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | !d-i ddalton |
| 02:00.08 | dpkg | ddalton, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:00.11 | asg | ddalton: www.debian.org is a great place to start |
| 02:00.13 | liable | edju: set the essid with iwconfig, iwconfig essid <your ap> wlan0 (see if you can get it to associate) |
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| 02:00.40 | Nyle | !tell ddalton -about d-i |
| 02:00.44 | fisxoj | I'm getting "Bad magic number in super-block" when trying to fix an ext3 partition on a LUKS usb drive... can anyone help me fix it? |
| 02:01.14 | ddalton | and is there anything else I need to know about apart from hard disk size ram cpu speed and it is an i386? |
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| 02:01.18 | ddalton | I read the manual |
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| 02:01.34 | abrotman | ddalton: not really .. just grab the etch i386 netinst .. and go |
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| 02:01.56 | mike5805 | hi, is there a debian with a gui or do i have to install the base then install the gui |
| 02:02.12 | ddalton | ok and im visually impaired. Does anyone know how to get an accessible installer? |
| 02:02.18 | ddalton | with brltty? |
| 02:02.38 | ddalton | abrotman: so I don't have to know much? |
| 02:02.40 | dalias | fisxoj, look at man mount, under ext2 |
| 02:02.41 | wols_ | !tell mike5805 about ig |
| 02:02.54 | dalias | there's an option to use the backup superblocks instead of the main one that might help |
| 02:03.00 | edju | liable, light on the card blinked, but no association. |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | ddalton: oh .. uhm .. you need the speakup stuff ? |
| 02:03.17 | liable | edju: do that a couple of times |
| 02:03.19 | pleed | how can i see what application is listening on a specific port on my debian etch? |
| 02:03.27 | wols_ | pleed: netstat |
| 02:03.32 | abrotman | ddalton: i can't remember if the brltty stuff is in the kernel on the netinst or not |
| 02:03.41 | ddalton | abrotman: brltty because I don't have a hardware synth. |
| 02:03.48 | fisxoj | dalias: will that fix whatever's wrong so it can mount normally next time? |
| 02:03.57 | ddalton | ill just get sighted help then. |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | ddalton: though i imagine you'll know pretty quickly if it works or not |
| 02:04.02 | dalias | no, but it might at least let you get to your data |
| 02:04.13 | abrotman | ddalton: do you know the module name? |
| 02:04.19 | dalias | running fsck is the way to (try to) fix it |
| 02:04.32 | ddalton | abrotman: And what bios stuff needs to be changed? I know about the boot order... |
| 02:04.44 | mike5805 | thanks wols |
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| 02:04.49 | fisxoj | dalias: fsck won't run right now |
| 02:04.50 | abrotman | ddalton: hopefully nothing at all |
| 02:05.01 | fisxoj | if I find the option you're talking about, it might? |
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| 02:05.11 | ddalton | abrotman: I only know that it is a braille note 32 im using and the software is brltty. and it is connected through serial |
| 02:05.24 | dalias | fisxoj, e2fsck might have an option to use alternate (backup) superblocks |
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| 02:05.27 | dalias | check the manual |
| 02:05.37 | ddalton | abrotman: so just wack the disk in and go for it? |
| 02:05.42 | fisxoj | dalias, it does, I've already done that |
| 02:05.46 | fisxoj | it also give that error |
| 02:05.52 | edju | liable, nope - after 9 or 10 times |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | ddalton: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org/msg00898.html |
| 02:06.14 | ddalton | thanks im going to read it |
| 02:06.14 | dalias | fisxoj, well the fs migh tjust be gone |
| 02:06.22 | liable | edju: ok, can you turn the encryption off on the ap to test if it connects then? |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | ddalton: basically .. that guy says he's using a Evolution 88 .. and just stuck it in .. pressed enter to start the installer .. and the brltty started owrking after a few minutes or so |
| 02:07.51 | ddalton | abrotman: My only problem is that I am using a serial connection not usb |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | ddalton: i'm not sure it will matter .. |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | ddalton: but again .. you'll know fairly quickly i'd imagine .. or you could ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:08.25 | ddalton | sounds fairly easy though doesn't it. I just can't see mine going that smoothly |
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| 02:08.48 | abrotman | ddalton: i only know one person that uses a brltty .. dunno if she uses debian though |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | but i think hers is serial |
| 02:09.11 | ddalton | abrotman: ok and if I got it working. What is required in the installer? |
| 02:09.22 | ddalton | I have a win 2000 box here and just want to replace win with debian |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | ddalton: required? it asks you a few questions . hostname, netowrk info, etc |
| 02:10.07 | ddalton | oh ok so not difficult? |
| 02:10.13 | ddalton | or not to difficult? |
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| 02:10.22 | abrotman | ddalton: i don't think so .. but i've been doing it for awhile :) |
| 02:10.47 | ddalton | abrotman: And what do I need to read. Do I need anything during the install? |
| 02:10.54 | ddalton | like files or docs? |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | ddalton: just the prompts .. they're fairly well written |
| 02:11.39 | ddalton | abrotman: Ok so no hardware info disks windows drivers or anything? |
| 02:12.03 | abrotman | ddalton: hopefully not .. it will hopeflly just detect it all |
| 02:12.17 | edju | liable, turned wep off, light blinks a lot more, but no assoc. |
| 02:12.27 | ddalton | abrotman: ok and monitors? Will it detect that? |
| 02:12.38 | abrotman | ddalton: it should .. |
| 02:12.45 | liable | edju: did you disable they key with iwconfig? |
| 02:12.45 | abrotman | ddalton: do you know any of the specs on the machine you bought? |
| 02:12.55 | ddalton | abrotman:and if it doesn't what do I do? |
| 02:13.06 | ddalton | sorry but I can see something going wrong |
| 02:13.15 | ddalton | sorry for all the questions |
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| 02:13.39 | ddalton | abrotman: yes 800 mhz cpu 256 mb ram and 10 gb hdd. |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | ddalton: anything about the video card? |
| 02:13.51 | ddalton | I think it has on board sound. hang ill give you an url to the info |
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| 02:15.18 | ddalton | here is the add. |
| 02:15.19 | ddalton | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Compaq-Deskpro-Em-Pentium-III-800mhz-Pc-Great-Condition_W0QQitemZ200166277800QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3744QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:15.38 | liable | edju: iwconfig wlan0 key off |
| 02:15.42 | abrotman | ddalton: looking |
| 02:15.57 | ddalton | abrotman: it says "Onboard Graphics" |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | ddalton: yeah .. not much help .. i think you'll be okay though |
| 02:16.42 | ddalton | abrotman: I guess I can just ml him if any probs. Or could I google the specks of that machine? |
| 02:16.48 | dalias | don't all gfx except the newest nvidia crap have at least tolerable free drivers nowadays? |
| 02:16.52 | ddalton | the seller |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | ddalton: eh .. i'd just try it .. not sure the seller is going to know |
| 02:17.29 | liable | edju: gonna have to leave it with you, got stuff to do. good luck |
| 02:17.45 | ddalton | abrotman: ok I will. I guess it was only $30 so if it breaks it breaks |
| 02:17.52 | edju | liable, Thanks a lot, man - thanks. |
| 02:17.55 | streuner_ | abrotman: manual should know better... |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | streuner_: if it comees with one |
| 02:18.28 | ddalton | abrotman: If I have trouble maybe I can get a moddle number or docs off him. He sounded like a nice guy and does this for a job |
| 02:18.29 | streuner_ | abrotman: surely not, but maybe its online |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | ddalton: appears to have an intel card inside .. using the i810 X driver |
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| 02:18.57 | dalias | does i810 have free 3d drivers? |
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| 02:19.03 | dalias | i seem to remember hearing the answer was yes :) |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | ddalton: which probably means generic ac97 sound also |
| 02:19.08 | ddalton | no manual just a box no leads or anything |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | dalias: yes |
| 02:19.12 | dalias | nice |
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| 02:19.40 | abrotman | dalias: they work .. they're not super fast .. but they work |
| 02:19.42 | ddalton | abrotman: so do you think it will work? |
| 02:20.06 | dalias | probably faster than matrox g400 which is the only alternative i know.. |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | ddalton: yeah .. i'd say so |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | dalias: yes .. very likely faster than mga |
| 02:20.41 | ddalton | abrotman: good. So should I read the manual quickly before atempting an install? |
| 02:20.47 | ddalton | and maybe brltty's as well |
| 02:21.03 | abrotman | ddalton: probably .. you might even find it enjoyable :) |
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| 02:28.39 | ddalton | has anyone got a minute to try a command for me so I can see if this will work on my installation? |
| 02:28.48 | ddalton | should work form just a normal terminal |
| 02:28.51 | ddalton | from |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | ddalton: just ask |
| 02:30.20 | ddalton | ok what does this command do from a shell? brltty -bn -first_serial |
| 02:30.35 | ddalton | first_serial should be the address to the first serial port on the machine. |
| 02:30.41 | ddalton | not sure what this is called |
| 02:30.47 | abrotman | i don't have that installed |
| 02:30.55 | abrotman | but i'd imagine if i had one .. it'd have been installed |
| 02:30.58 | ddalton | Hopefully there will just be an error about no braille note or something connected. |
| 02:30.59 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe i have to be root |
| 02:31.05 | ddalton | yes sudo |
| 02:31.09 | abrotman | nope .. don't have it |
| 02:31.11 | ddalton | sorry forgot to say that |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | but i don't have that hardware |
| 02:31.34 | ddalton | abrotman: so it just says command not found? what happens if you type sudo brltty |
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| 02:31.48 | abrotman | ddalton: same .. but like i said .. i don't have that hardware |
| 02:31.52 | ddalton | on the default ubuntu livecd it just prints some version stuff. |
| 02:32.13 | ddalton | abrotman: so with "sudo brltty" it just says command not found? |
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| 02:32.28 | abrotman | ddalton: sure .. but i could check the installer i think |
| 02:32.50 | ddalton | abrotman: how do you check the installer? |
| 02:33.24 | ddalton | ill just send an ml to the brltty list and hopefully Ill get a reply soon. |
| 02:33.25 | abrotman | ddalton: qemu lets me boot it |
| 02:33.30 | ddalton | if I can't figure it out |
| 02:33.39 | ddalton | oh ok |
| 02:33.58 | ddalton | abrotman: so what does it say when you try the first command I sent? |
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| 02:34.14 | abrotman | ddalton: yes .. installer has the 'brltty' command |
| 02:35.13 | ddalton | abrotman: does it say something like no braille display on the port or no braille note if you type brltty -bn -port I think that was the command. |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | let me see |
| 02:35.58 | abrotman | ddalton: yeah .. can't open the device |
| 02:36.14 | ddalton | abrotman: doesn't sound bad... |
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| 02:36.33 | qazwsx | what packages do I need to install to make "gcc -m32" work on an amd64 machine? |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | ddalton: i say to just give it a whirl :) |
| 02:37.32 | dalias | debian should have a big fat warning "DO NOT INSTALL 64BIT VERSION UNLESS YOU KNOW A GOOD SPECIFIC REASON YOU NEED IT" |
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| 02:37.48 | qazwsx | isn't 64bit default faster? |
| 02:37.50 | abrotman | dalias: same for sid ? |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | qazwsx: only for some things |
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| 02:38.14 | dalias | maybe mildly for some things |
| 02:38.18 | fisxoj | hmm, I'm pretty sure fsck is wiping my disk right now |
| 02:38.24 | fisxoj | I was afraid it would come to that |
| 02:38.25 | dalias | overall probably much slower since it will use more memory and thus swap more and cache less |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:38.40 | dalias | fisxoj, what's on the disk? |
| 02:38.48 | fisxoj | dalias: nothing anymore :) |
| 02:38.51 | fisxoj | it was a backup |
| 02:38.53 | dalias | what was on it? |
| 02:39.02 | fisxoj | luckily... I guess I can back it up from the original |
| 02:39.05 | dalias | i mean what types of data |
| 02:39.09 | fisxoj | oh |
| 02:39.10 | dalias | ah |
| 02:39.16 | fisxoj | music, some .odf files |
| 02:39.21 | dalias | if there's stuff you want to recover it may be easy to recover |
| 02:39.23 | dalias | hmm.. |
| 02:39.27 | dalias | i dunno about recovering those |
| 02:39.35 | fisxoj | I can put things back o nit |
| 02:39.39 | fisxoj | it'll just be a pain |
| 02:39.46 | dalias | but there's a great program called photorec that will recover jpegs, pngs, mpegs, text files, ... |
| 02:39.55 | dalias | without any filesystem structures intact |
| 02:40.05 | dalias | it just grabs the raw data off the blocks |
| 02:40.08 | fisxoj | it's not worth it, but, thanks |
| 02:40.14 | fisxoj | I still have all the files on this computer |
| 02:40.16 | dalias | k |
| 02:40.25 | fisxoj | I just need to copy them back onto the drive |
| 02:40.26 | dalias | i figured since you said usb maybe it was photos or something |
| 02:40.30 | fisxoj | well, and reformat it, I guess |
| 02:40.40 | fisxoj | nah, but thanks for sugesting |
| 02:40.45 | fisxoj | *suggesting |
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| 02:43.15 | ddalton | abrotman: Ok I emailed the list hopefully I get a reply. |
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| 02:43.42 | ddalton | abrotman: when you tried the command with the -bn -port arguments what couldn't it open? |
| 02:43.55 | ddalton | or what ever the location of the serial port is |
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| 02:45.18 | abrotman | ddalton: uhm .. let me try again |
| 02:45.35 | ddalton | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | ddalton: what's the full command ? |
| 02:46.15 | ddalton | abrotman: brltty -bn -serial port where serial port is the path to your serial port. and maybe you need to run as sudo |
| 02:46.37 | abrotman | ddalton: -b wants a driver name |
| 02:46.53 | ddalton | abrotman: thats all it says? |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | no .. it spits out more .. but really wants a driver name |
| 02:47.30 | ddalton | hmm bn is the drive name |
| 02:47.36 | ddalton | driver the command is: |
| 02:47.37 | ddalton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:48.02 | ddalton | replacing bdriver with your braille display's driver |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | right .. "n" is a driver? |
| 02:48.16 | ddalton | oh did I type n? |
| 02:48.22 | ddalton | sorry its "bn" |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | no .. you typed -bn |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | but -b wants a driver name |
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| 02:49.14 | ddalton | what about sudo brltty -bbn -port |
| 02:49.21 | ddalton | (serial again) |
| 02:49.53 | abrotman | seems a little happier |
| 02:50.21 | abrotman | but i really think since i don't have the hardware .. it's going to throw some really bad errors |
| 02:50.23 | ddalton | whats it say? |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | it can't open some translation table |
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| 02:50.42 | ddalton | ok thanks for your help I have to go. bye |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 02:50.54 | ddalton | oh we needed to tell it that oops |
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| 02:51.12 | abrotman | ddalton: i say to just try it .. seems like it should work |
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| 02:56.47 | Archie1 | the debian installation disk sets the root partition to 7.5 gigs on guided mode, is that really enough for everything? |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | depends on the machine purpose |
| 02:57.59 | Archie1 | desktop.. |
| 02:58.13 | Archie1 | with a lot of installing/uninstalling |
| 02:58.28 | kgoetz | as long as /home is seperate, thast heaps |
| 02:58.31 | Archie1 | 100 meg games from apt-get in a blue moon.. :) |
| 02:58.38 | Archie1 | yeah /home is seperate.. |
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| 03:00.22 | ftp3 | hello.. i am using etch and I need libapache2-mod-auth-mysql, is there any workaround or anything? |
| 03:00.40 | abrotman | i don't think they are compatible |
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| 03:06.06 | Archie1 | i accidentally deleted /etc/modprobe.d/aliases how can i recover it? |
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| 03:06.07 | n3kl | Can I convert a raid 1 or 0 into a raid 5 on a running system? Would I need LVM setup to do it? |
| 03:06.07 | abrotman | !find modprobe.d/aliases |
| 03:06.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'modprobe.d/aliases' (1): (/etc/modprobe.d/aliases) in admin/module-init-tools. |
| 03:06.07 | Archie1 | ? |
| 03:06.29 | fisxoj | Archie1: probably reinstall that package |
| 03:06.34 | Archie1 | module-init-tools dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:07.53 | Archie1 | fisxoj: just checked man apt-get how do i reinstall something? |
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| 03:08.00 | Archie1 | i only see install.. |
| 03:08.17 | Archie1 | --reinstall |
| 03:08.21 | Archie1 | sowwy :) |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 03:09.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 03:10.21 | fisxoj | apt-get --reinstall install module-init-tools |
| 03:10.33 | fisxoj | seems to be right |
| 03:10.38 | fisxoj | I just reinstalled the gimp with it :) |
| 03:11.06 | Archie1 | :) |
| 03:11.35 | Archie1 | whats that weird c++ namespace thingy doing there?? |
| 03:11.41 | Archie1 | DPkg::Options |
| 03:11.55 | fisxoj | I don't know, but, the dpkg bot might know better than me |
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| 03:11.58 | kgoetz | funny, i asociate :: with perl |
| 03:12.00 | fisxoj | I'm just reading the man page and guessing |
| 03:12.35 | Archie1 | kgoetz: what does perl use it for? |
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| 03:13.05 | kgoetz | Archie1: not sure, perl modules tend to be in the format this::that |
| 03:15.06 | Archie1 | shit i tried both variations of the --reinstall install module-init-tools and neither worked.. |
| 03:15.10 | Archie1 | :( |
| 03:15.35 | Archie1 | i used a stupid > instead of a >> and truncated the entire file! |
| 03:15.51 | Archie1 | anyother way to get back the old config? |
| 03:15.51 | Eclipser | ha |
| 03:16.03 | Archie1 | i should really back up etc :) |
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| 03:16.54 | Archie1 | can someone just dcc it to me? |
| 03:17.04 | Archie1 | if its the same by every standard installation? |
| 03:17.16 | kgoetz | Archie1: whats wrong? |
| 03:17.26 | abrotman | Archie1: use the bit the bot said about the confmiss to reinstall the package |
| 03:17.37 | Archie1 | abrotman: it didnt help |
| 03:17.43 | abrotman | then you did it wrong |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | !find modprobe.d/aliases etch |
| 03:17.57 | Archie1 | maybe its the wrong pkg? |
| 03:17.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'modprobe.d/aliases' (1): (/etc/modprobe.d/aliases) in admin/module-init-tools. |
| 03:18.30 | Archie1 | i ran this: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install module-init-tools |
| 03:18.51 | abrotman | did you get any errors ? |
| 03:18.52 | Archie1 | and checking aliases was still empty |
| 03:18.54 | Archie1 | nope |
| 03:19.02 | Archie1 | i think its a different pkg |
| 03:19.35 | Archie1 | shit |
| 03:19.58 | Archie1 | this is why i can never be a sys admin :) |
| 03:20.19 | Archie1 | i'll bork up the system the minute i get there! :) |
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| 03:20.51 | fisxoj | dpkg -L says it's in that place on my system |
| 03:20.52 | dpkg | ii says it's in that place on my system 2.7-13.2 fisxoj's private stamp collection |
| 03:21.01 | Archie1 | abrotman: can you paste your /etc/modprobe.d/aliases file please? |
| 03:21.01 | fisxoj | er... |
| 03:21.11 | kgoetz | ol |
| 03:21.32 | Archie1 | or is it unique on every system? |
| 03:21.37 | fisxoj | I don't have a stamp collection... :P |
| 03:21.54 | axscode | : (network.c.300) can't bind to port: 80 permission denied <-- can someone help me. |
| 03:22.01 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/41510 |
| 03:22.25 | MaliutaWrk | axscode: it's <1024 you need to be root |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | axscode: something else is using it |
| 03:22.34 | Archie1 | abrotman: thank you |
| 03:22.39 | Ward1983_ | how cna i find out what package i'm missing here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/43377/ ? |
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| 03:23.08 | Archie1 | abrotman: would my previous aliases file be the same exact one? |
| 03:23.09 | abrotman | Ward1983_: are you using debian ? |
| 03:23.14 | abrotman | Archie1: maybe? :) |
| 03:23.21 | Ward1983_ | abrotman, offcourse (an ARM port) |
| 03:23.25 | Archie1 | i never changed it, fresh install.. |
| 03:23.26 | Zippy2 | axscode: you need to be root to bind to 80 |
| 03:23.26 | Zippy2 | afk |
| 03:23.34 | abrotman | Ward1983_: secondly .. what are you trying to compile |
| 03:23.39 | axscode | ok got it... Maliuta: problem with that is.. when im using root. it says www-data dont exist... though when i su www-data it drops me to www-data user |
| 03:23.52 | Ward1983_ | abrotman, gpe-bluetooth |
| 03:23.54 | axscode | ah ok got it. il change the port then |
| 03:23.55 | axscode | haha |
| 03:24.12 | Ward1983_ | abrotman, i just use the ubuntu pastebin out of habit, and it works well so |
| 03:24.18 | abrotman | Ward1983_: i'd ask the author why it won't compile |
| 03:24.44 | Ward1983_ | abrotman, they were annoying and rude and sent me here because handhelds.org makes familiar |
| 03:25.05 | abrotman | makes what ? |
| 03:25.22 | abrotman | seems to me the code is broken .. or requires something you don't have |
| 03:25.23 | Ward1983_ | abrotman, somethink they call "distro" |
| 03:25.47 | Ward1983_ | abrotman, i tihnk it requires something i don't have and i would like to know how i can fnid out what it is |
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| 03:26.05 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:26.09 | abrotman | Ward1983_: you'd ask the author .. or maybe check the INSTALLING file |
| 03:26.23 | Ward1983_ | abrotman, will do |
| 03:26.50 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:27.50 | Archie1 | whats the best method to get opengl working in etch for ati cards? |
| 03:28.12 | Archie1 | i've had problems using apt-get install fglrx-driver |
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| 03:28.24 | fisxoj | Archie1: the xorg radeon driver worked pretty well for me |
| 03:28.48 | Archie1 | fisxoj: what do you mean by xorg radeon driver? |
| 03:29.07 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, is that good? |
| 03:29.08 | Archie1 | which pkg? |
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| 03:29.39 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: very good! |
| 03:29.39 | fisxoj | Archie1: er, it's called ati, xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 03:30.01 | fisxoj | and you use ati in your xorg.conf, and it'll detect what driver the package provides to use |
| 03:30.12 | Archie1 | oh |
| 03:30.24 | Archie1 | fisxoj: whats the difference between that and fglrx-driver? |
| 03:30.53 | fisxoj | fglrx is probably faster or whatnot... the xorg one is the reverse-engineered, open-source driver |
| 03:31.00 | Archie1 | ah |
| 03:31.06 | streuner_ | !info gpe-bluetooth |
| 03:31.08 | dpkg | gpe-bluetooth: (Bluetooth connectivity tool for GPE), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.55-2 (sid), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 03:31.10 | Archie1 | and you get opengl on the opensource one?? |
| 03:31.17 | abrotman | depends on your card |
| 03:31.22 | fisxoj | yea |
| 03:31.29 | fisxoj | I did, I have a mobility radeo 9600 |
| 03:31.30 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: i didnt get that so far, its in Debian? |
| 03:31.31 | Archie1 | xpress 200m |
| 03:31.40 | Archie1 | nice |
| 03:31.47 | Archie1 | so you can get compiz then..:) |
| 03:31.52 | fisxoj | yea |
| 03:32.03 | Archie1 | are you currently on compiz? |
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| 03:32.07 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, its in unstable and testing but i jsut want to compile from source and apperantly i miss something, but i don't know how to find out what i miss |
| 03:32.26 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 03:32.35 | streuner_ | !simple sid backport |
| 03:32.36 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:32.52 | Ward1983_ | !backports |
| 03:32.52 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
| 03:32.58 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: apt-get build-dep gpe-bluetooth |
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| 03:33.23 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, "can't find sourcepackage" |
| 03:33.36 | abrotman | he doens't have lenny/sid source lines |
| 03:33.37 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: oh |
| 03:33.40 | abrotman | i'd imagine anyways |
| 03:33.58 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: look at pdo (package.debian.org) then |
| 03:34.06 | streuner_ | packages.debian.org |
| 03:34.19 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, i allready did i have the source, thats the one i need? |
| 03:34.35 | streuner_ | wait |
| 03:35.00 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, also, i allready came pretty far, i solved all the erros i had with ./configure and now i solved a few from make, but this one i can't get solved |
| 03:36.48 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: http://paste.debian.net/41511 |
| 03:37.47 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, thanx, how did you get that? |
| 03:38.31 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: nm, i think you need the -dev packages... |
| 03:39.11 | ddalton | abrotman: re the translation table. I need to tell it what table to use. There are lots of braille codes. |
| 03:39.43 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, there's only one with partially the same name as the file i missed with make and i can't install that one |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | ddalton: oh .. i don't know anything about that ... |
| 03:40.12 | abrotman | ddalton: hopefully it would guess |
| 03:40.19 | drc | nice advertisiments on that pastebin :> |
| 03:40.41 | ddalton | abrotman: im hoping I got a reply |
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| 03:40.49 | abrotman | drc: ? |
| 03:40.55 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: http://paste.debian.net/41512 |
| 03:41.24 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: thats what it want to install on my system (-dev packages) |
| 03:41.44 | abrotman | ddalton: there is a mailing list for kind of this stuff .. http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/ |
| 03:42.11 | ddalton | thanks ill subscribe |
| 03:42.12 | abrotman | ddalton: i guess it's more for working out issues if you have them |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | ddalton: uhm . don't subscribe . seems to be mostly spam |
| 03:42.45 | of | hi .i am following this guide - http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html -- is it enough in the crontab -e to have */1 * * * * /home/user/run.sh ? |
| 03:42.46 | abrotman | ddalton: seems to be only a few legit messages |
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| 03:43.37 | ddalton | abrotman: its basic info it must be in the manual somewhere. |
| 03:43.37 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, if i apt-get install that whole list i immediately get a error |
| 03:43.40 | foopr | Is there an easy way to install a 32 bit mplayer on an AMD64 system? |
| 03:43.42 | ddalton | ill keep reading |
| 03:43.44 | of | i ran the cron job by hand and it worked. for some reason when i'm running the cron automatically. i can see that it's running but i get no results. .. |
| 03:43.57 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: what kind of error? |
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| 03:44.10 | foopr | Or any other movie player that can load win32 codecs. |
| 03:44.22 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, its ocmming up, just a sec i need to do it again with LANG=C |
| 03:44.28 | of | anyone? |
| 03:44.33 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, E: Package libeventdb2 has no installation candidate |
| 03:44.48 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: hm |
| 03:45.16 | Ward1983_ | why do devs want to make their packages only installable for other devs :s |
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| 03:45.56 | drc | abrotman: just check the earlier pastebin posts, spambots |
| 03:46.09 | drc | nothing spectacular |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | drc: guess i missed them |
| 03:47.32 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: did you check what abrotman told you? (lenny/sid deb-scr line) |
| 03:47.49 | stiv2k | is folding@home in debian? |
| 03:48.03 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, not yet, i wanted to do that if you ran out of suggestions |
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| 03:49.02 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: just add this line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:49.26 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, i can't find what abrotman said anymore, can you please paste it |
| 03:49.34 | stiv2k | or do i have to download it from their website |
| 03:49.39 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, i think my history must be a bit too short lol |
| 03:49.57 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 03:50.36 | abrotman | there is a .be mirror |
| 03:50.41 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, so i need to add that repo? |
| 03:51.04 | streuner_ | abrotman: hm |
| 03:51.10 | streuner_ | yes |
| 03:51.32 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, and then apt-get update and then apt-get install gpe-bluetooth ? |
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| 03:51.48 | ddalton | abrotman: what happens if you type brltty -h ? Sorry about all the questions but I need to know what table to use. |
| 03:51.51 | ddalton | like the code for it |
| 03:51.52 | streuner_ | !tell Ward1983_ about simple sid backport |
| 03:52.10 | ddalton | "sudo brltty -h" maybe |
| 03:52.13 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, thats the one i couldnt find anymore |
| 03:52.15 | abrotman | ddalton: moment |
| 03:52.21 | ddalton | abrotman: ok |
| 03:52.25 | Ward1983_ | !simple sid backport |
| 03:52.26 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 03:53.15 | abrotman | ddalton: -h prints the help contents |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | ddalton: are you looking for a certain tbl ? |
| 03:54.47 | ddalton | abrotman: yes something like uk. it will be english. |
| 03:54.52 | ddalton | what do you see with uk? |
| 03:54.57 | ddalton | or us |
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| 03:55.12 | donny__ | how do i reconfigure my timezone settings? |
| 03:55.24 | streuner_ | donny__: etch? |
| 03:55.27 | abrotman | ddalton: text.uk.tbl in /etc/brltty/ |
| 03:55.28 | donny__ | streuner_: yes |
| 03:55.34 | streuner_ | donny__: tzconfig |
| 03:55.43 | donny__ | streuner_: thanks |
| 03:56.05 | of | cron help anyone? this is really dumb |
| 03:56.10 | donny__ | streuner_: hmm.. it didn't seem to ask me about daylight savings |
| 03:56.14 | ddalton | abrotman: Ok what does this command do? You may need to run as sudo. "brltty -bbn -serial_port -t en_UK |
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| 03:56.18 | ddalton | " |
| 03:56.22 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, when i do that and i install the resulting debs, it says they are allready the latest versions |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | ddalton: -serial_port seems to be a bad option |
| 03:57.42 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: so you installed unstable package out of sid before? |
| 03:57.49 | ddalton | oh you need to replace -serial_port with the location to your port. |
| 03:57.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:58.09 | ddalton | but try: brltty -bbn -d serial_path -t en_UK |
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| 03:58.21 | abrotman | ddalton: en_UK seems bad .. i think just 'uk' might work |
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| 03:58.31 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, no i installed the latest stable ones probably (this is the first time i add a repo so) |
| 03:58.35 | ddalton | abrotman: Sorry about all of this but I can't really test myself in the installation |
| 03:58.46 | ddalton | ok try that |
| 03:58.46 | abrotman | ddalton: that's fine |
| 03:58.47 | ddalton | <abrotman> |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | ddalton: i did .. it loaded .. didn't complain |
| 03:58.55 | ddalton | oh what did it say? |
| 03:59.08 | abrotman | just spit out the version number ... and i'm back at the prompt |
| 03:59.24 | ddalton | abrotman: and was that in the installer? |
| 03:59.26 | abrotman | and the daemon seems to be running |
| 03:59.36 | abrotman | ddalton: in the shell in the installer (the manual tells you how to get there) |
| 03:59.45 | ddalton | so if you had a display connected it would be working? |
| 04:00.23 | abrotman | uhm .. i think |
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| 04:00.23 | ddalton | abrotman: and in the installer do I need to use "sudo"? |
| 04:00.24 | abrotman | ddalton: no |
| 04:00.50 | ddalton | so I just type: "brltty -bbn -serial-port-location -UK"? |
| 04:01.01 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: dpkg -l gpe-bluetooth |
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| 04:01.36 | abrotman | ddalton: i typed "brltty -bbn -ttyS0 -t uk |
| 04:01.37 | abrotman | " |
| 04:02.09 | Mordbrann | how do I enable MCE on a machine? It's compiled in the kernel but mcelog tells me /dev/mcelog is not available |
| 04:02.26 | ddalton | abrotman: ok ill type that. And how do I know what the serial port is called? |
| 04:02.40 | abrotman | ddalton: it'll likely be ttyS0 or ttyS1 |
| 04:03.34 | ddalton | abrotman: so if I type "ttyS0" and that fails I just try "ttyS1"? |
| 04:03.40 | abrotman | that's what i'd say |
| 04:03.41 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, jsut a minute my retarded system crashed |
| 04:04.58 | ddalton | abrotman: ok good. Ill try that then. I just need to backup some stuff and that I need sighted help for. Windows don't have an accessible installer :-( |
| 04:04.58 | ddalton | I don't need to install it but can't cut and paste stuff |
| 04:04.58 | abrotman | ddalton: well .. i thought you were going to try this on the new machine |
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| 04:05.07 | ddalton | abrotman: that's correct but just backing up some drivers in case something goes bad |
| 04:05.10 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 04:05.16 | Archie1 | anyone here was able to get the SB450 HDA Audio chip working on etch? |
| 04:05.51 | ddalton | is it case sensitive? "ttys" |
| 04:05.57 | ddalton | and what about the /dev part? |
| 04:06.02 | abrotman | i didn't use it |
| 04:06.07 | Archie1 | or a xpress 200m at card with opengl? :) |
| 04:06.11 | abrotman | but it is ttyS0 or ttyS1 |
| 04:06.13 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, brb, booting is gonna take a while |
| 04:06.19 | ddalton | abrotman, so no need for /dev? |
| 04:06.28 | abrotman | it didn't complain to me |
| 04:06.51 | ddalton | ok good. if it complains to me which it probably will :-) do I just try /dev/ttyS0? |
| 04:06.58 | ddalton | after trying 1 |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | seems like a plan :) |
| 04:07.12 | ddalton | oh good. sounds like I have a plan a b and c :-) |
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| 04:07.35 | Mordbrann | Archie1: try in #alsa? |
| 04:07.38 | ddalton | now whats probing? apparently it can render a display useless. |
| 04:07.43 | streuner_ | abrotman: night |
| 04:08.01 | ddalton | abrotman: ok thanks for all the help. I greatly appreciate it. |
| 04:08.17 | abrotman | ddalton: not a problem .. others here should be able to help as well |
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| 04:16.34 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, ok its booted, just a moment |
| 04:17.21 | TbbW | anyone here got a link to where i can read about how to set up a login prompt thru the com-port on a debian etch system ? |
| 04:17.59 | TbbW | i got this server without a screen ( i can ssh and use it that way ) but it wuld be usefull to be able to hook my laptop up to the comport and get a terminal that way |
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| 04:21.02 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, that just gives me the name of the package and a few other details |
| 04:21.42 | streuner_ | Ward1983_: well, its installed then.. |
| 04:22.42 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, ok i'll go for a smoke and check with synaptic then :-) |
| 04:22.49 | Ward1983_ | see if i can get it to work |
| 04:22.55 | Ward1983_ | streuner_, thanx for the help |
| 04:25.58 | \amethyst | TbbW: you might look at mgetty (and mgetty-docs) |
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| 04:28.06 | \amethyst | TbbW: it's designed for modems, it might work over a null-modem cable |
| 04:28.11 | maher | anyone good with shfs (not sshfs) - i've mounted something as root with rmode=755, but other users can't see anything inside it... |
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| 04:28.53 | triplc | hi all |
| 04:33.02 | \amethyst | maher: what are the remote permissions? |
| 04:33.27 | \amethyst | maher: of the directory you're mounting |
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| 04:34.33 | TbbW | \amethyst: hmm... i'll check, thanks for the tip :) |
| 04:35.31 | maher | \amethyst: i'm trying to mount my backups ro over shfs |
| 04:35.59 | maher | \amethyst: my moutn options are: root@localhost:/backup/dirvish/fourier /backup/public/fourier shfs ro,preserve,noaoto,rmode=755 0 0 |
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| 04:36.44 | maher | \amethyst: ah - /backup/dirvish/fourier is not publically accessible |
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| 04:38.42 | maher | \amethyst: but I _really really_ don't want the original backups to be accessible to ervyone rw |
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| 04:39.52 | maher | TbbW: sash is useful |
| 04:40.03 | maher | TbbW: at least you'll still have a shell... |
| 04:41.13 | maher | \amethyst: bah - maybe i should just use nfs instead... |
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| 04:44.22 | \amethyst | maher: or encrypted cifs even |
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| 04:45.28 | \amethyst | maher: (tunnelled over ssh, for example) |
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| 04:49.09 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
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| 04:50.28 | contrast83 | I was just trying to install Lenny using this CD - debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso, and I got an error about "no kernel modules found." Then it was unable to detect my ethernet card. |
| 04:50.46 | reZo | hai GreaseMonkey |
| 04:50.57 | GreaseMonkey | 'lo reZo |
| 04:50.59 | contrast83 | Is that the CD I should be using? |
| 04:51.15 | GreaseMonkey | my connection is probably going to die soon |
| 04:51.23 | reZo | what isp? |
| 04:51.31 | GreaseMonkey | telescum |
| 04:51.34 | reZo | yuck |
| 04:51.36 | reZo | slingshot ftw ;P |
| 04:51.39 | GreaseMonkey | http://telecom.co.nz |
| 04:51.50 | GreaseMonkey | yah |
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| 04:51.59 | GreaseMonkey | this was all we could find |
| 04:52.14 | reZo | most nz isp good plans are gone now anyways |
| 04:52.14 | GreaseMonkey | they don't even use citylink |
| 04:52.18 | reZo | only crappy one's are left |
| 04:52.25 | reZo | wtf is citylink |
| 04:52.28 | GreaseMonkey | well, we still have good plans |
| 04:52.30 | reZo | i'ev seen it mentioned so much |
| 04:52.33 | GreaseMonkey | it's just that they're all dialup |
| 04:52.44 | reZo | lawl |
| 04:52.45 | GreaseMonkey | citylink is a wellington fibre-optic cable network |
| 04:52.51 | reZo | oh nice |
| 04:52.51 | steven_elvisda | citylink is isp i think |
| 04:53.02 | reZo | only wellington? |
| 04:53.06 | GreaseMonkey | yah. |
| 04:53.09 | reZo | lame lol |
| 04:53.10 | GreaseMonkey | steven_elvisda, citylink is not an ISP |
| 04:53.28 | reZo | i gather citylink is wifi? |
| 04:53.34 | GreaseMonkey | no, firbe-optic |
| 04:53.37 | GreaseMonkey | *fibre |
| 04:53.44 | reZo | oh lol |
| 04:53.58 | reZo | how do you get it, at cafes or something? |
| 04:54.03 | GreaseMonkey | apparently it's damn fast if you're connecting to another on the citylink network |
| 04:54.16 | GreaseMonkey | some ISPs use citylink |
| 04:54.17 | reZo | nice |
| 04:54.21 | reZo | good for lans |
| 04:54.25 | GreaseMonkey | wait, i might have the name wrong, lemme check |
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| 04:54.31 | reZo | kk |
| 04:54.41 | GreaseMonkey | put the "FTW" into BF2 |
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| 04:55.07 | GreaseMonkey | http://www.citylink.co.nz |
| 04:57.10 | GreaseMonkey | citylink speeds are from 10Mbps to 1Gbps |
| 04:57.20 | reZo | ya |
| 04:57.21 | reZo | nice |
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| 04:58.25 | steven_elvisda | how can i install sendmail into my lovely debian? |
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| 04:58.37 | steven_elvisda | any tutorials? |
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| 05:02.35 | contrast83 | I'm trying to install Debian Lenny, but I'm getting an error that no kernel modules were found, and my ethernet card wasn't detected. Could someone please help me out? |
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| 05:15.56 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 05:16.07 | swaydam | hi |
| 05:16.08 | lkthomas | is there have any program doing ip accounting for bandwidth ? |
| 05:17.27 | Galaxor | Hi. I have a usb webcam (built in. It's a thinkpad I just got). Typing lsusb shows some devices that aren't identified. I feel that I simply need to install the right module, in order for the webcam to work. However, I don't know what module to install, if I can't see the ID string. What do I do? |
| 05:18.05 | \amethyst | Galaxor: the module won't tell lspci about it... try running update-pciids |
| 05:18.50 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:18.53 | \amethyst | sorry, you said usb |
| 05:19.07 | \amethyst | Ignore me |
| 05:19.34 | \amethyst | there is an update-usbids though |
| 05:19.40 | Galaxor | Oh, goodness. lsusb is hanging now. |
| 05:20.12 | \amethyst | I don't think that's supposed to happen :) |
| 05:20.14 | Galaxor | I ran update-usbids anyway. |
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| 05:21.23 | Galaxor | Does this mean I have to reboot my dang computer or something stupid? |
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| 05:31.18 | contrast83 | I'm trying to install Debian Lenny, but I'm getting an error that no kernel modules were found, and my ethernet card wasn't detected. Could someone please help me out? |
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| 05:33.03 | Galaxor | Hm. Nope, the new usbids didn't help. (I don't think). lsusb lists something from broadcom and something called chipsbnk. Nothing that looks like a webcam |
| 05:33.55 | Galaxor | Broadcom might be the bluetooth. |
| 05:34.11 | wols | Galaxor: that chipsbnk might be a flash drive? |
| 05:34.28 | Galaxor | wols: I don't believe I have one plugged in right now. |
| 05:34.34 | wols | Galaxor: can you pastebin the lsusb output please? |
| 05:34.47 | wols | contrast83: what NIC is it? |
| 05:34.53 | Galaxor | What pastebin? |
| 05:34.57 | wols | !paste |
| 05:34.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 05:35.19 | axscode | OT: hi, how to add fast-cgi support for lighttpd |
| 05:35.33 | contrast83 | wols: I don't know offhand TBH. Give me a minute and I'll boot into Elive to find out. |
| 05:35.51 | SDr | hey |
| 05:35.53 | Galaxor | http://paste.debian.net/41514 |
| 05:36.27 | wols | yes broadcom is the BT |
| 05:37.04 | wols | Galaxor: the chipsbnk is in fact the camera |
| 05:37.13 | Galaxor | Oh goodness. |
| 05:37.18 | Galaxor | How do we know this? |
| 05:37.22 | wols | you can see when you googie its USB ID. it says something about UVC driver |
| 05:37.32 | wols | but very vrey few google hits so it might not work |
| 05:38.04 | wols | Galaxor: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_(Feisty_Fawn)_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Webcam |
| 05:38.18 | wols | thinkwiki is simply > * than anything else for thinkpads :) |
| 05:38.54 | contrast83 | wols: It's a Realtek |
| 05:39.20 | wols | contrast83: which one? realtek makes many different ones |
| 05:39.36 | wols | use lspci to check, tho except wireless ones all should be supported out of the box |
| 05:40.06 | wols | but: lenny installers are experimental for testing the installer. it might be broken right now. which is why you should never use a lenny installer actauly. |
| 05:40.11 | wols | install stable and update to testing |
| 05:40.12 | contrast83 | wols: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ |
| 05:40.33 | Galaxor | wols: Thanks. |
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| 05:40.35 | wols | that is about the most common PCI NIC in existence. it certainly is supported in debian since linux 2.0 or so |
| 05:40.46 | axscode | hwo to check the freespace on /dev/hda1 please? |
| 05:40.59 | wols | contrast83: find /lib/modules/ -name 8139too |
| 05:41.03 | wols | contrast83: find /lib/modules/ -name 8139too.ko rather |
| 05:41.07 | wols | axscode: df |
| 05:41.11 | SDr | erm |
| 05:41.22 | SDr | how to configure exim4 to be able to send outgoing messages? |
| 05:41.31 | axscode | wols: asside from df? |
| 05:41.43 | wols | axscode: why is it not good enough? |
| 05:42.02 | wols | I'm sure somewhere in /proc the is the info too but I don't know offhand where |
| 05:42.02 | contrast83 | wols: /lib/modules/2.6.18-elive/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.ko |
| 05:42.10 | wols | contrast83: we don't support elive |
| 05:42.11 | wols | !elive |
| 05:42.12 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 05:42.21 | contrast83 | wols: I know that. I'm not asking you to. |
| 05:42.39 | wols | contrast83: none in this channel will help you. and if one does he is asked to go to #elive to help |
| 05:42.41 | contrast83 | wols: I'm trying to install Lenny. I booted into the eLive install to find the information you asked for. |
| 05:42.42 | axscode | wols: im on an embeded platform... the fl_disk is mounted on /mnt/fl_disk , df gives me nothing.. can you help me with that situation |
| 05:43.07 | contrast83 | wtf |
| 05:43.08 | wols | contrast83: k, then my advice is to install etch and upgrade, the way it's meant to be |
| 05:43.28 | wols | axscode: debian? on a embedded system? |
| 05:43.38 | axscode | yes why not? |
| 05:43.43 | contrast83 | wols: Alright, thanks. |
| 05:44.16 | wols | axscode: less /proc/diskstats |
| 05:44.33 | wols | axscode: but to find out what the numbers means is your homework assignment :) |
| 05:44.51 | axscode | wohhh |
| 05:44.59 | axscode | this is totally now my field |
| 05:45.19 | wols | axscode: I'd suggest to get the df source and peek in it |
| 05:45.22 | wols | fastest way imho |
| 05:45.24 | axscode | wols, it dont have /etc/mtab |
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| 05:45.43 | axscode | i use df, it says i have no /etc/mtab |
| 05:45.58 | wols | definitely not debian :) |
| 05:46.17 | axscode | wols, it is a debian.. /etc are stripped... |
| 05:46.19 | wols | you could create an mtab |
| 05:46.29 | wols | axscode: I doubt it |
| 05:46.34 | axscode | wols, problem again, its a read-only |
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| 05:47.00 | axscode | so i cant create files |
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| 05:47.36 | wols | again: apt-get source coreutils and check the source |
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| 05:47.39 | wols | faster than guessing |
| 05:48.06 | wols | df will probably check mtab for mounted filesystem and then ask proc for each mounted one for the info |
| 05:48.59 | axscode | i only have hda |
| 05:49.05 | axscode | and it only have hda1 |
| 05:49.16 | axscode | right now it is mounted to /mnt/fl_disk |
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| 05:50.07 | wols | you have more than that |
| 05:50.27 | axscode | what ya mean? |
| 05:50.38 | wols | a unix system without / is kinda awkward. tho I've seen one recently. I still don't know how they did THAT (ubuntu installed via wubi) |
| 05:51.19 | axscode | it is loaded by syslinux, a cramfs root.im is loaded after linux kernel is loaded. |
| 05:51.27 | wols | but ubuntun running on a windows ntfs drove as one file explains a lit) |
| 05:51.57 | axscode | its using syslinux coz the ide-flashdrive is using is a vfat fs |
| 05:52.42 | axscode | hmm theres no otherway to check the freesize right? |
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| 05:58.34 | richd | anyone know why my config file for xmms2 gets reset after everytime it shuts down? It doesn't seem to read the file when it loads either. (~/.config/xmms2/xmms2.conf, so its not permissions....) |
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| 06:02.29 | axscode | wols, someone at #linux tought me du -sh /mounted |
| 06:02.38 | axscode | gives used space. |
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| 06:04.32 | axscode | thats him thats him.. |
| 06:04.32 | axscode | :) |
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| 06:09.29 | breedx | so editing /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and running /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf *is* the (sarge) debian way to (re)configure exim right? |
| 06:12.11 | breedx | er, s/sarge/etch/ |
| 06:13.16 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 06:14.01 | breedx | wols: doesn't that just walk thru the default package prompts? |
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| 06:14.42 | wols | yes. maybe I should tell you that I never use exim4 and don't like it (much) so I might be mistaken |
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| 06:15.14 | cico | I am playing music with VLC player and I have a Philips ear phones. I can hear a lot of noise. The noise disappears on high treble. It sounds like noise due to extra vibrations on "bassy" music. Is there anything I can do in Linux or VLC to reduce this and get good music out of my ear phones? |
| 06:16.17 | Maliuta | buy better headpones? get a DSP that isn't next to the noise of a CPU and all the other electrical noise in a machine? |
| 06:16.23 | breedx | wols: well, just walking through the package defaults wasn't what I was looking for. |
| 06:16.43 | stiv2k | anyone here use Folding@Home? |
| 06:16.56 | nvz | cico: VLC has an equalizer you can turn down certain frequencies |
| 06:17.44 | nvz | cico: I'm looking at the windows version as I use better players on linux.. but its in Settings -> Extended GUI (Ctrl-G) |
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| 06:18.12 | cico | nvz: I just checked that mplayer is playing the same audio files very well. |
| 06:18.18 | haggz | stiv2k: i use the boinc software but not for that particular project |
| 06:18.19 | cico | nvz: what player do you suggest for Linux? |
| 06:18.30 | breedx | cico: assuming alsa, you might want to open alsamixer and confirm that input channels are muted etc/ |
| 06:18.44 | stiv2k | haggz: yeah i know folding@home doesnt run on boinc |
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| 06:18.50 | nvz | cico: my suggestions aren't that great for other people.. cause I am strange and my reasons for choosing applications are significatly different that most peoples |
| 06:19.09 | cico | breedx: ok |
| 06:19.20 | haggz | stiv2k: really? somehow i thought that boinc was the client that those guys developed based on their experience setting up the folding@home project |
| 06:19.21 | cico | nvz: still then I would like to know about your suggestion. |
| 06:19.25 | nvz | cico: I use mplayer where maximum configuration is needed such as for stubborn files or poor hardware, and xine-ui for everything else |
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| 06:19.33 | stiv2k | haggz: perhaps you're thinking of seti@home |
| 06:19.38 | cico | nvz: ok |
| 06:20.00 | haggz | stiv2k: probably so (goes to the web to refresh his memory) |
| 06:20.05 | nvz | cico: I like xine-ui cause I can easily make it video-only (no gui) and unlike mplayer can handle a simple function like repeat playlist |
| 06:20.52 | nvz | I don't understand why such an extensivly featured player like mplayer doesnt even have your standard repeat and shuffle options |
| 06:21.16 | nvz | if it does they are so fucking hidding I haven't in some 3 or more years using it found them |
| 06:22.26 | haggz | stiv2k: you were right, it was the seti@home people who started boinc after they had problems with bad data coming back from their original infrastructure -- at least if wikipedia can be trusted |
| 06:22.33 | cico | I can't find anything to manually control the frequencies in VLC |
| 06:22.35 | stiv2k | haggz: hehe |
| 06:22.49 | cico | there is one equalizer menu but they have preset names which is not conifgurable. |
| 06:22.59 | stiv2k | haggz: im a big supporter of seti@home but unfortunately i cant participate with this laptop because they do not have an x86_64 client |
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| 06:23.26 | nvz | cico: what I am looking at has 11 sliders |
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| 06:23.43 | nvz | cico: but as I say this is on windows.. cause windows doesn't have anything better than vlc that I know of |
| 06:23.57 | stiv2k | haggz: so i just ran up folding@home because they do have amd64 clients but i don't quite like their unfriendly interface |
| 06:24.03 | stiv2k | its actually extremely basic |
| 06:24.07 | nvz | I wouldn't use vlc on linux cause its not that good compared to alternatives IMO |
| 06:24.08 | stiv2k | just one command line executable |
| 06:24.13 | stiv2k | a log file and a config file |
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| 06:25.09 | ylwt01_ | 我原æ¥ç”¨è¿‡å…¶ä»–LINUX，今天在DEBIAN的官方网站看到DEBIAN对很多平å°éƒ½æ”¯æŒï¼Œè€Œä¸”分开了，还有FOR ARMçš„ |
| 06:25.18 | sauvin | Erm? |
| 06:25.44 | ylwt01_ | 这里ä¸è¯´ä¸æ–‡ï¼Ÿ |
| 06:25.57 | sauvin | If I had to guess, I'd say that's Chinese. I don't understand one single word :( |
| 06:25.58 | cico | nvz: VLC fares poorely in what aspects on Linux? |
| 06:26.08 | dondelelcaro | !cn |
| 06:26.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 06:26.34 | lkthomas | guys, is there have any simple way to check who is pulling our bandwidth ? |
| 06:26.41 | dondelelcaro | lkthomas: like ntop? |
| 06:26.55 | lkthomas | dondelelcaro: do yo use ntop ? |
| 06:27.01 | ylwt01_ | OK，who can tell DEBIAN for arm? |
| 06:27.15 | ylwt01_ | my english is poor |
| 06:27.22 | dondelelcaro | ylwt01_: the installation manual has instructions on how to install Debian on arm |
| 06:27.58 | dondelelcaro | ylwt01_: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/index.html.zh_CN |
| 06:28.00 | cico | what is the difference between xine-ui and mplayer? |
| 06:28.15 | nvz | cico: one is mplayer the other is xine |
| 06:28.21 | lethias | Should i avoid using getchar() just like gets? |
| 06:28.23 | nvz | completly different code base |
| 06:28.30 | cico | apt-get install xine installs nothing, where as apt-get install xine-ui does. |
| 06:28.30 | ylwt01_ | thank you ! |
| 06:28.52 | nvz | cico: xine comes in many different flavors as a backend for many different things |
| 06:29.05 | cico | so is xine-ui frontend for mplayer? |
| 06:29.10 | cico | or xine-ui frontend for xine? |
| 06:29.13 | nvz | no its a frontend for xine |
| 06:29.21 | nvz | !info gxine |
| 06:29.25 | nvz | is another IIRC |
| 06:29.30 | cico | so apt-get install xine-ui would install xine as well as xine-ui? |
| 06:29.40 | dpkg | gxine: (the xine video player, GTK+/Gnome user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.5.11-4 (sid), Packaged size: 457 kB, Installed size: 1300 kB |
| 06:30.20 | nvz | cico: no xine is a library that plays media.. it can be used with programs like amarok, or the xine movie player which comes in many different interfaces such as gxine, xine-ui |
| 06:30.43 | cico | when xine and mplayer opens, a video screen also opens by default along with the controls window. the controls window looks cool. When I want to play audio, I don't want that window to be there. how can I do this? |
| 06:31.13 | nvz | cico: with mplayer no controls open.. thats gmplayer |
| 06:31.36 | nvz | cico: and with xine-ui there is a option at the top of the menu (right click video window) that says show controls |
| 06:31.42 | nvz | it remembers the state on close/open |
| 06:32.24 | cico | no separate volume control in xine-ui? |
| 06:32.30 | cico | there is only mute or unmute. |
| 06:32.56 | nvz | uh I've never seen any apps have seperate volume control on my system |
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| 06:33.22 | nvz | they usually all control the PCM mixer |
| 06:33.27 | dondelelcaro | xine-ui has (had?) a control, but all it does is modulate PCM or whatever. |
| 06:33.35 | cico | mplayer, totem as well as vlc have their own volume bar which I can increase or decrease irrespective of the Linux volume control in the panel notification area. |
| 06:33.49 | dondelelcaro | mplayer changes the PCM as well. |
| 06:34.54 | cico | found the volume bar, it doesn't have a separate bar, but I need to just drag my mouse on a volume-like symbol |
| 06:35.00 | cico | and it indeed manipulates the PCM. |
| 06:35.13 | cico | when I move the volume bar in one player, it decreases it in the other player too. |
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| 06:35.36 | Nyle | oi bhen chode mal ko lun |
| 06:35.39 | Nyle | arggh! |
| 06:36.14 | nvz | for a minute there I thought you said choad |
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| 06:36.34 | cico | what is the difference between Master, Master S, Master M and PCM? |
| 06:37.40 | cico | the volume bar in VLC doesn't affect PCM or Master. |
| 06:39.57 | cico | after installing xine-ui, the audio quality of vlc has also improved? what can be the reason? |
| 06:40.31 | dondelelcaro | cico: the difference is dependent on your audio card |
| 06:41.11 | cico | dondelelcaro: earlier, when I had only vlc and mplayer, the same audio was producing a lot of noise in vlc but was playing absolutely fine in mplayer. |
| 06:42.51 | Nyle | nvz: cussing in hindi |
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| 06:46.34 | ylwt01_ | what does netinst mean? |
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| 06:48.21 | factor | ylwt01_: net install version small enought for quick download and as long as you have internet access , download the rest |
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| 06:48.36 | factor | its the one I use a lot. |
| 06:48.45 | factor | so you dont have to doanload all 21 cdroms |
| 06:49.02 | factor | just a <100Meg one to get it started |
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| 06:51.28 | lindenle | Anyone having trouble with Amarok today? |
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| 06:52.17 | Galaxor | vlc uses xine, correct? |
| 06:53.35 | sauvin | Which CDs are necessary for a basic install? |
| 06:53.51 | Maliuta | netisnt.iso |
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| 06:54.47 | sauvin | and if the net isn't available? |
| 06:55.23 | axscode | can i use regex in awk print? |
| 06:56.56 | Maliuta | there is enough on it for a basic install |
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| 06:59.28 | Galaxor | Oh: Does vlc have its own backend? |
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| 07:10.29 | stas123 | hi everyone |
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| 07:10.37 | stas123 | how do I figure out what program is hoggin all the CPU? |
| 07:10.46 | Galaxor | top |
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| 07:11.48 | stas123 | hm, that's the thing.. it shows all processes as not taking too much CPU (everything is 0%, a couple of processes showing 1% cpu usage) |
| 07:11.52 | stas123 | but the system is unresponsive |
| 07:12.37 | stas123 | uptime gives me 02:11:54 up 52 days, 4:59, 5 users, load average: 2.71, 1.67, 0.88 |
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| 07:13.16 | stas123 | and htop tells me I have like 100% usage on my 2nd cpu |
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| 07:13.26 | stas123 | (but reports the same per-process statistics as top) |
| 07:13.42 | stas123 | What do you think? |
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| 07:20.25 | stas123 | er, hi |
| 07:21.06 | stas123 | so how do I find cpu-hoggers? |
| 07:21.23 | stray | mmm, try top or htop |
| 07:21.44 | stas123 | they're both letting me down it seems, stray :| |
| 07:22.01 | Maliuta | ps is also useful |
| 07:22.05 | stas123 | they're reporting all processes at 0%, and a couple at %1 |
| 07:22.19 | stas123 | but htop says that CPU2 is loaded 100% |
| 07:22.28 | stas123 | and uptime says my load averages are over 2.00 |
| 07:22.44 | Maliuta | load average isn't indicative of cpu usage |
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| 07:22.58 | stas123 | and the system is unresponsive |
| 07:23.06 | stas123 | oh, what is load average indicative of? |
| 07:23.23 | Maliuta | and there are a number of I/O things that use cpu |
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| 07:23.41 | Maliuta | the number of processes waiting to write |
| 07:24.17 | stas123 | oh. So how do I track down the culprit that's causing the sluggishness? |
| 07:24.44 | stas123 | it's really bad, takes like 20 seconds to complete a login via ssh |
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| 07:24.50 | stas123 | if not longer |
| 07:25.20 | stray | if top/htop doesn't show the process, you could be rooted and the top/htop/ps etc are all rogue.. |
| 07:25.29 | stas123 | !! |
| 07:25.29 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 07:26.28 | stas123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.29 | stas123 | 387e590a531db6c1e94be39eec355f97 /usr/bin/top |
| 07:26.35 | stas123 | any good? |
| 07:28.32 | stas123 | I got package procps 1:3.2.7-3 |
| 07:28.42 | cico | I find problems with dpkg bot. |
| 07:28.51 | cico | like... |
| 07:28.54 | cico | !do you eat? |
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| 07:29.17 | stas123 | So am I rooted or just lost? |
| 07:29.24 | cico | it should omit the "do you" part before forming the response. |
| 07:30.34 | stas123 | can someone give me the correct md5 for top? |
| 07:31.14 | wols | !tell stas123 about debsums |
| 07:31.22 | wols | stas123: which version? |
| 07:31.48 | wols | yo _do_ know that there were tons of different top binaries shipped by debian over its lifetime? |
| 07:32.06 | wols | heck, each debian release ships about 10+ different ones. one for each platform |
| 07:32.09 | stas123 | wols:I got package procps 1:3.2.7-3 |
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| 07:32.18 | stas123 | oh |
| 07:32.19 | stas123 | that's true |
| 07:32.47 | stas123 | I have i386. But I'm going to look at debsums anyway |
| 07:33.10 | DukGalNamu | is there a calculator program that mimics TI calcs abilities with algebraic equations? |
| 07:33.18 | wols | last but not least: if you have a rootkit, the md5sum can't be trusted since your new fake top might give you the md5sum of the proper top |
| 07:33.40 | stas123 | how is that possible? |
| 07:33.41 | Galaxor | dukgalnamu: mupad is a nice symbolic math program. |
| 07:33.45 | stas123 | If my md5sum is compromised? |
| 07:34.04 | DukGalNamu | Galaxor: cli support? |
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| 07:34.08 | stas123 | debsums says everything is fine |
| 07:34.10 | wols | no not your md5sum |
| 07:34.18 | Galaxor | dukgalnamu: Yep. |
| 07:34.33 | stas123 | how could a fake top have the same md5sum as the proper top? |
| 07:35.00 | wols | by keeping the proper top around and when a fopen comes for top, the old proper top is returned |
| 07:35.06 | wols | while when a exec comes the fake one is |
| 07:35.08 | wols | easy |
| 07:35.18 | stas123 | hm |
| 07:35.25 | wols | that way, even an independet, statc md5sum is fooled |
| 07:35.50 | wols | run top, press T |
| 07:35.58 | DukGalNamu | Galaxor: any others? |
| 07:36.00 | wols | what are the PIDs witht he most time alotted |
| 07:36.12 | Galaxor | dukgalnamu: That's all I know about. |
| 07:36.21 | wols | also what does line 2, starting with "Cpu" say? |
| 07:37.10 | stas123 | Cpu(s): 0.7%us, 1.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 94.4%id, 3.6%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 07:37.26 | wols | your cpu is idle |
| 07:37.30 | wols | so what do you care |
| 07:37.38 | stas123 | er |
| 07:37.39 | wols | 3.6 wait tho |
| 07:37.43 | stas123 | it wasn't a second ago |
| 07:37.48 | wols | it is now |
| 07:37.57 | wols | wait seems high tho |
| 07:38.08 | stas123 | what's wait? |
| 07:38.17 | jelly-home | 3% doesn't sounds high |
| 07:38.20 | wols | which could explain your load (which is actually totally bogus for anything actually) |
| 07:38.26 | wols | basically the glxgears of its domain |
| 07:38.35 | wols | i/o wait |
| 07:38.44 | stas123 | hm |
| 07:38.58 | stas123 | wols, I don't know what top reports |
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| 07:39.08 | erpo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.12 | wols | jelly-home: the hdd needs to run full tilt transmitting data to reach that IIRC. at least with bM-DMA |
| 07:39.12 | stas123 | but htop says I have ~0% usage on CPU 1 and 90-100% on CPU2 |
| 07:39.26 | wols | erpo: silicon image 3112 |
| 07:39.31 | stas123 | and the system runs like molasses |
| 07:40.04 | wols | press "c" in top I think |
| 07:40.15 | wols | it can show both CPUs |
| 07:40.42 | stas123 | not working |
| 07:40.45 | erpo | wols: Thank you. :) |
| 07:41.02 | stas123 | c is changing the command name to the whole commandline for each process |
| 07:41.03 | wols | then check the manpage |
| 07:41.17 | jelly-home | if the loadavg was due to io, two processes would be completely blocked and iowait% would rise up to 100%/numcpus |
| 07:41.20 | wols | there is a key to display both cpus on top |
| 07:41.22 | stray | try 1 (one) |
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| 07:41.32 | stas123 | ah |
| 07:41.34 | stas123 | ty stray |
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| 07:42.54 | jelly-home | stas123: does 'vmstat 1' show b column constantly at values >0 ? |
| 07:43.50 | stas123 | jelly-home: yeah |
| 07:43.50 | stas123 | 3 |
| 07:44.44 | stas123 | top is showing Cpu0 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.3%id, 0.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 07:44.47 | stas123 | Cpu1 : 1.3%us, 1.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 97.4%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 07:45.59 | stas123 | What does that mean? |
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| 07:47.52 | stas123 | any ideas? |
| 07:48.22 | haggz | stas123: are all connected devices behaving properly? waiting on i/o is a common cause of bad lag in responsiveness |
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| 07:48.59 | stiv2k | OMGGGG |
| 07:49.00 | stiv2k | i cant kill this damn folding@home client |
| 07:49.01 | stiv2k | it just keeps starting up again |
| 07:49.21 | stiv2k | help |
| 07:49.37 | haggz | stiv2k: does it have a daemon in charge of it? |
| 07:50.24 | stiv2k | haggz: i dont know |
| 07:50.36 | stiv2k | their website said to kill it to run this command |
| 07:50.52 | stiv2k | kill -9 $(ps -C $(ls *Core_*.exe) -o pid=) |
| 07:51.02 | stiv2k | but it stops it and then 5 seconds later it starts up again |
| 07:51.34 | haggz | stiv2k: can you check the pid of the parent process to see whats starting it? |
| 07:51.39 | stiv2k | oh snap |
| 07:51.45 | stiv2k | found it |
| 07:51.47 | stiv2k | fah6 |
| 07:51.48 | stiv2k | :P |
| 07:52.45 | stas123 | haggz: how do I find out? |
| 07:53.20 | stas123 | I don't really have too many connected devices |
| 07:53.27 | haggz | stas123: depends on what kind of i/o is going on, just hard drive and network basically? |
| 07:53.32 | stas123 | keyboard, mouse, lan card |
| 07:53.37 | stas123 | yeah, pretty much |
| 07:53.41 | stas123 | I thinkthere's a video card |
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| 07:56.04 | stas123 | haggz: is there a way to find out for sure? |
| 07:56.27 | haggz | if something is stuck waiting on an i/o operation gone bad? |
| 07:56.36 | stas123 | I guess |
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| 07:57.20 | haggz | stas123: well, there's always SOME way, but I don't have a line of code to offer to help, sorry :( |
| 07:57.43 | stas123 | sigh |
| 07:57.55 | stas123 | could running out of ram do that? |
| 07:57.58 | stas123 | I have like 4MB free |
| 07:58.05 | haggz | stas123: you think you might be caught in a swap storm? |
| 07:58.13 | stas123 | what's that? |
| 07:58.16 | stas123 | sounds scary |
| 07:58.26 | haggz | stas123: yes running out of ram can hose your performance if the system starts swapping ram to disk constantly |
| 07:59.32 | haggz | stas123: but when you say you have 4mb free make sure that the used ram isn't just system ram caching |
| 07:59.48 | stas123 | hm |
| 07:59.50 | erpo | stas123: You can run top and look at the part where it says x.y%wa. That tells you what percent of the time the CPU is waiting around for IO to complete. |
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| 08:00.38 | haggz | erpo: his second cpu is stuck at 97% wait or something |
| 08:00.38 | stas123 | it's strictly above 90 |
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| 08:00.49 | stas123 | 97-98% |
| 08:00.53 | erpo | Oh, I haven't been paying attention to the channel. Carry on. |
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| 08:01.09 | stas123 | So what do I do about that? |
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| 08:01.20 | haggz | erpo: you just caught up to where we are pretty much, trying to figure out exactly what is causing the system to be waiting on i/o |
| 08:01.37 | erpo | And we suggested swapping might be the cause. |
| 08:01.46 | erpo | I don't see the output of a free command anywhere. |
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| 08:02.15 | stas123 | What's a free command? |
| 08:02.22 | erpo | Ah. |
| 08:02.25 | erpo | Type free and hit enter. |
| 08:02.44 | erpo | What does it say in the used and free columns in the line starting with -/+ buffers/cache ? |
| 08:02.51 | stas123 | Mem: 257000 252756 4244 0 788 898 |
| 08:03.05 | erpo | The next line. |
| 08:03.13 | stas123 | oh |
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| 08:03.14 | stas123 | -/+ buffers/cache: 242988 14012 |
| 08:03.15 | stas123 | orry |
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| 08:03.25 | erpo | stas123: You are very low on free memory. |
| 08:03.29 | haggz | stas123: you can get a very fine grained look at stuff with cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 08:03.48 | stas123 | oh cool |
| 08:03.58 | stas123 | so how do I figure out what's hoggin all my ram? |
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| 08:05.08 | haggz | stas123: ps or top can do it, another possibility is that the kernel isnt properly reclaiming memory that should be free |
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| 08:06.18 | stas123 | oh |
| 08:06.20 | erpo | stas123: Hit M in top. |
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| 08:06.34 | stas123 | capital M? or does it matter? |
| 08:06.39 | erpo | Yes, it does matter. |
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| 08:08.00 | stas123 | well Ithink I found the bastard |
| 08:08.06 | stas123 | is it alright to paste 4 lines in here? |
| 08:08.38 | skandaleras | stas123: maybe it's more polite to use pastebin.com |
| 08:09.05 | stas123 | you're right |
| 08:09.10 | stas123 | I'll just type it into one line |
| 08:09.29 | skandaleras | :) |
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| 08:09.51 | gypsymauro | how to know cpu temp on debian? |
| 08:10.11 | stas123 | 2985 stas 15 0 118m 90m 3076 S 0 36.0 129:45.24 xfdesktop |
| 08:10.15 | stas123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.18 | stas123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.21 | stas123 | damnit |
| 08:10.23 | stas123 | it pasted anyway |
| 08:10.28 | stas123 | MEM%: 36.0 xfdesktop, 18.3 xfce4-menu-plug, 10.9 irssi, 6.6 pptpconfig |
| 08:10.33 | stas123 | that's the polite thing I wanted to paste ;p |
| 08:11.39 | stas123 | of VIRT, RES, and SHR, which one do I care about? |
| 08:11.44 | labanux | what are the steps to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 08:11.49 | erpo | gypsymauro: I believe you want the lm-sensors package. |
| 08:11.55 | labanux | can anyone give me link for the documentation? |
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| 08:12.24 | haggz | stas123: RES is resident in memory currently |
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| 08:13.37 | skandaleras | labanux: have u changed the sources file? |
| 08:14.40 | skandaleras | labanux: you should look for information about "apt-get dist-upgrade" and the modifications needed in the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:15.00 | haggz | stas123: and yes from the looks of those numbers it seems like your xfce desktop components might have some kind of memory leak |
| 08:15.02 | labanux | skandaleras : not yet.., i know i have to change it. But before that should i do apt upgrade with this recent source list? (stable source list) |
| 08:15.45 | skandaleras | labanux: no, you're wrong |
| 08:16.00 | labanux | skandaleras : is apt dist-upgrade only for upgrading from different release? (ex : woody - lenny) |
| 08:16.00 | skandaleras | labanux: first step - change the servers |
| 08:16.02 | stas123 | :) so I'll restart that |
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| 08:16.07 | skandaleras | labanux: second - apt-get update |
| 08:16.15 | skandaleras | labanux: third - apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:16.51 | skandaleras | labanux: yes, it is |
| 08:17.00 | tobb87 | good morning, can please somebody check my ftp server: ftp://hainspiel44.homeip.net |
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| 08:18.19 | labanux | skandaleras : and can I do that from first install? |
| 08:19.24 | labanux | skandaleras : i haven't installed debian 4.0 yet.., i'm using ubuntu righ now. But i want to switch to debian, meanwhile i need some libraries that only available in testing |
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| 08:19.47 | erpo | tobb87: I can connect OK but it stalls when my client says "Entered Extended Passive Mode". This is probably because we're both behind firewalls. |
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| 08:21.05 | tobb87 | hm |
| 08:21.16 | tobb87 | can please some one else try... |
| 08:21.26 | skandaleras | labanux: sorry, I was in the kitchen ;) |
| 08:21.31 | wols | tobb87: are you behind a firewall (especially a NAT)? |
| 08:21.44 | skandaleras | labanux: so, you have an old debian installed ? |
| 08:21.51 | wols | and if so have you assigned the ftp server a range of high ports and forwarded them? |
| 08:22.02 | tobb87 | yes but this is not the problem |
| 08:22.05 | tobb87 | it works for months |
| 08:22.56 | skandaleras | labanux: if you want to get some fresh packages, try to not mix debian and ubuntu packages |
| 08:23.11 | wols | tobb87: Command:PASV |
| 08:23.11 | wols | Response:500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_bind |
| 08:23.16 | tobb87 | shit |
| 08:23.16 | skandaleras | labanux: the debian and ubuntu branches are quite different |
| 08:23.17 | labanux | skandaleras : no, i'm not trying to mix them.., i want fo fresh install |
| 08:23.36 | skandaleras | labanux: aha, and what debian version do you want to obtain? |
| 08:23.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | blasted epiphany. slows down as you download a big list of stuff, but doesnt have an option to clear its downlaod history :| |
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| 08:23.58 | wols | labanux: install etch, replace "etch" or "stable" in your sources.list with "lenny". then aptitude update;aptitude dist.upgrade |
| 08:24.01 | wols | eh voila: lenny |
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| 08:24.20 | skandaleras | labanux: there are net installers, maybe there is one for lenny |
| 08:24.30 | wols | skandaleras: there is but etch installres are better |
| 08:24.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone know how to make epiphany show the downlaod list? |
| 08:24.37 | wols | lenny installer is a beta installer |
| 08:24.41 | labanux | skandaleras : i've already use debian 4.0 before i user ubuntu, but there's some h/w drivers hasn't available yet in debian that time.. Now it's already available, that's why i switch back to debian. |
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| 08:24.58 | skandaleras | wols: thanks, I had this doubt |
| 08:25.21 | moshii | labanux: drivers are mostly a kernel issue |
| 08:25.23 | wols | labanux: what drivers? |
| 08:25.38 | sep | labanux, hardware supports comes from the linux kernel, not from the distro, if you need suport for newer hardware, use a backport kernel., or roll your own kernel. |
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| 08:25.51 | haggz | labanux: to save time/bandwidth, install from netinst and select minimal so you avoid installing a ton of etch packages that will be replaced within a few minutes |
| 08:26.09 | skandaleras | labanux: the folks are rigth, maybe you just need a newer kernel version |
| 08:26.19 | moshii | sep: for graphics hardware it'll come fomr x also however |
| 08:26.45 | wols | labanux: there is a 2.6.22 backport for etch. lenny doesn't have a newer kernel either |
| 08:26.59 | jelly-home | can programs in public domain be distributed in Debian? |
| 08:27.07 | wols | moshii: m-a to the rescue, so no need |
| 08:27.14 | wols | jelly-home: of course |
| 08:27.14 | labanux | it's the alsa-base |
| 08:27.17 | moshii | jelly-home: if they fit the dfsg |
| 08:27.26 | moshii | wols: um, for xorg drivers? |
| 08:27.27 | sep | moshii, true |
| 08:27.31 | wols | moshii: if it's really PD, then it does |
| 08:27.44 | wols | moshii: you meant nvidia and fglrx drivers, right? |
| 08:27.55 | moshii | wols: no, I mean all xorg drivers |
| 08:28.01 | stas123 | wols, haggz and everyone, thank you very much! |
| 08:28.11 | wols | moshii: what has this to do with a kernel? |
| 08:28.11 | stas123 | after killing xfce, now I got -/+ buffers/cache: 47632 209368 |
| 08:28.29 | stas123 | and everything is now running smooth as silk |
| 08:28.45 | haggz | stas123: yeah you were stuck in a swap storm caused by a memory leak in xfce |
| 08:28.46 | moshii | wols: nothing, the point is that not 100% of hardware support is in the kernel |
| 08:29.06 | stas123 | :) haggz probably not great for my hard drive.. it's been like this for weeks |
| 08:29.10 | wols | if you can backport kernels, proprietary driver backports are even less of an issue |
| 08:29.19 | jelly-home | not that anyone cares, but it seems djb is to put qmail in public domain, http://lwn.net/Articles/257120/ |
| 08:29.25 | moshii | wols: hence I said support for graphics hardware will be in x, not so easy to roll your own |
| 08:29.30 | wols | e.h. I did it with sid nvidia drivers just fine (also with m-a) |
| 08:29.35 | labanux | skandaleras, haggz, moshii : i've already upgrade to testing, and even unstable to get the latest alsa, but still my soundcard doesn't work. In ubuntu it works. But now I see that alsa-base in debian is newer than in ubuntu, so i think i should try this (ubuntu doesn't work well on my notebook btw..) |
| 08:29.46 | moshii | wols: that's the kernel half of the driver |
| 08:30.11 | wols | not just the kernel half |
| 08:30.30 | wols | the X one worked fine too. for compiz it wasw even needed |
| 08:31.09 | moshii | wols: the nvidia driver comes in two parts IIRC, a kernel interface and a mesa bit for X |
| 08:31.47 | wols | yes it does |
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| 08:32.10 | wols | it was interesting how nvidia-graphics-driver source package compiled |
| 08:32.27 | wols | after a bit of tweking the dependencies (stupid sid people...) |
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| 08:32.51 | moshii | labanux: sound hardware will be a combo of alsa's kernel drivers and the userland bits |
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| 08:33.05 | moshii | labanux: you need to tell us how exactly "it doesn't work" |
| 08:33.15 | yigal | awesome it doesn't work |
| 08:34.00 | labanux | moshii : the jack ouput can't be used.., so i can't use external speakers |
| 08:34.04 | yigal | so slow no one has problems to make fun of :( |
| 08:34.25 | yigal | labanux: is alsa acting up? |
| 08:34.54 | moshii | labanux: this is a laptop? |
| 08:35.14 | moshii | labanux: you've tried turning up the volume on the headphone output right? |
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| 08:35.45 | yigal | labanux: 1st check if software stuff is muted, if not you probably have to tweak alsa. |
| 08:35.52 | moshii | labanux: also, I'd say one function not working is pretty far from "doesn't work boohoo" considering how much worse it could be |
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| 08:37.49 | Zoup | on Intel core2 Due machine which port of debian is Ideal ? AMD64 ? |
| 08:37.58 | haggz | zoup: um, no, |
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| 08:38.24 | Zoup | haggz: which one then ? not ia64 for sure ? |
| 08:38.28 | jelly-home | Zoup: depends on what you're going to use the machine for. |
| 08:38.42 | yigal | Zoup: not amd64 atleast I don't think so |
| 08:38.48 | Zoup | jelly-home: well , looking for better performance |
| 08:38.59 | moshii | Zoup: amd64 should run on that |
| 08:39.01 | jelly-home | Zoup: which app? |
| 08:39.01 | labanux | moshii : i've googled this (since the first release of lenny), then i found that my soundcard only works with alsa-1.0.14 (it still in beta status that time) |
| 08:39.09 | moshii | Zoup: ia64 is not x86-64 at all |
| 08:39.14 | Zoup | jelly-home: its a laptop , all sort of |
| 08:39.40 | jelly-home | Zoup: do you plan on doing developing or using more than 2GB memory? |
| 08:39.52 | Zoup | jelly-home: No |
| 08:40.04 | jelly-home | Zoup: go with i386 then, my suggestion |
| 08:40.10 | Zoup | jelly-home: not using more than 2GB of memory but doing lots of development |
| 08:40.18 | Zoup | jelly-home: why ? is that unstable ? |
| 08:40.35 | moshii | jelly-home: don't you also have the advantage of have 64bit registers, and a lot of them from what I read of the ABI |
| 08:41.02 | jelly-home | Zoup: you'll probably want to run flash, java plugins or other (= non-free) i386 only software |
| 08:41.29 | Zoup | jelly-home: back to my main question , which port to use on core2 ? |
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| 08:42.04 | moshii | jelly-home: you can use nspluginviewer to wrap around 32bit plugins like that apparently |
| 08:42.24 | labanux | haggs : do netinst install everything from the network? |
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| 08:42.32 | jelly-home | moshii: yeah, but afaict it doesn't amount to much unless you use very specific apps, say oracle or other large db, or, in my case, stupidly written java service that allocates lots of memory |
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| 08:43.02 | jelly-home | Zoup: well, you got my answer to that |
| 08:43.37 | haggz | labanux: not everything but yes, you need net connectivity, my suggestion was to reduce the amount of time/bandwidth used on etch packages that will be upgraded if you are switching to lenny right away |
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| 08:45.09 | yigal | jelly-home: so for instance this laptop is a tk-55 amd64 I am computing things, or at least I can compute things a bit faster, using amd64 vs. i386, yes? |
| 08:45.17 | moshii | Zoup: The i386 port is more mature, and has less headaches. |
| 08:45.28 | jelly-home | yigal: no idea. benchmark your app. |
| 08:45.35 | yigal | jelly-home: yes I can |
| 08:45.55 | yigal | jelly-home: not yes on I can benchmark but yes in that it is faster |
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| 08:46.06 | labanux | haggz : when it need the connectivity? cause during the installation process my wireless card doesn't work.. *it need other packages which is not available by default in debian |
| 08:46.25 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:46.53 | haggz | labanux: ok, i agree netinst isnt ideal for you then |
| 08:46.57 | moshii | yigal: you should be able to do bigger calculations more quickly.. |
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| 08:47.32 | yigal | moshii: it helps with my physics computations that are nothing but big crunching :) |
| 08:48.21 | yigal | The number of admins vs. scientists in Debian is making me consider other distros - Gentoo - but for some strange reason I persist |
| 08:48.38 | moshii | yigal: but what if the 32bit mode of those processors looks ahead a packs down instructions.. ;) |
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| 08:49.25 | moshii | yigal: s/a packs/and packs/ |
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| 08:50.15 | yigal | moshii: no time to think, of course I am doing the right thing :) |
| 08:50.29 | labanux | haggz : ok. thanx.. |
| 08:50.39 | Zoup | jelly-home: and if i plan to use on of 64bit ? amd64 is the only one , right ? |
| 08:50.48 | jelly-home | Zoup: right |
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| 08:50.52 | Trewas | yigal: afaik amd64 is not any faster with floating point numbers than in i386 mode, the differences come mainly from having a double number of (64bit) registers so it helps some algorithms working with large numbers (some encryption algorithms for example have been said to be much faster) |
| 08:50.55 | moshii | Zoup: for x86-64 machines, yes |
| 08:51.07 | yigal | Zoup: there are no EMT64T distributions at present ? |
| 08:51.30 | moshii | yigal: AMD64 and EMT64T are the same |
| 08:51.37 | Zoup | jelly-home , moshii : guess its better to run few amd64 based live cd's first |
| 08:52.07 | yigal | moshii: ty, yes too drunk owell |
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| 08:53.28 | jelly-home | Zoup: of course. FWIW, I went back to i386 due to lack of browser java plugin. Also, Crossover Office wasn't available at the time. |
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| 08:53.55 | yigal | Zoup: but a chroot is always available - if you have the disk space |
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| 08:54.45 | Zoup | yigal: chroot alone ? guess i need kernel support for that |
| 08:55.06 | yigal | Zoup: no, no have your amd64 pure and then install a i386 chroot |
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| 08:55.15 | Zoup | jelly-home: well , Java plugin is kind of important for KVM Over IP's , cant live without that ... |
| 08:55.23 | Zoup | yigal: got it |
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| 08:56.12 | yigal | Trewas: what about integers? |
| 08:56.13 | moshii | yigal: you don't need a full chroot |
| 08:56.28 | yigal | moshii: in most cases no, I agree completely |
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| 08:56.58 | moshii | the advantage of a chroot is you don't have to work out what 32bit libs you need |
| 08:57.32 | Trewas | yigal: yeah I meant that algorithms using large integers may work faster, but note that all pointers are 64bit instead of 32bit so the binaries are somewhat bigger and that can in turn decrease the performance a bit (less stuff fitting to caches etc) |
| 08:57.50 | moshii | the disadvantage is that you don't really need all that stuff, and you'll have to use a 32bit browser also |
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| 09:00.23 | yigal | Trewas: that is interesting. I guess I will have to be very careful when performance becomes my issue, right now I just want the code to be able to work :) |
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| 09:00.54 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 09:01.10 | yigal | Trewas: I did assume however when I used amd64 vs. i386 that I would get a speed advantage using an amd64 processor but ? :) |
| 09:01.16 | kanaldrache | I have two interfaces with different ips in /etc/network/interfaces with different gateways |
| 09:01.22 | Zoup | Thanks all :) |
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| 09:02.01 | kanaldrache | route -n shows two default routes now ... if i ssh on one interfaces tcpdump shows that the answers are send to the internal interface |
| 09:02.58 | Trewas | yigal: I don't think any speed improvement (or difference) is guaranteed in general, it requires quite specific type of program to get a clear difference |
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| 09:03.04 | kanaldrache | If i delete the default route for eth1 and make a more specific route everything is working fine |
| 09:03.28 | kanaldrache | I always thought that linux takes the route mapped to the right interface? |
| 09:03.44 | streuner | aehm, thats ok then, no? |
| 09:04.49 | streuner | eth1 indicates that you have two NICs installed... |
| 09:05.04 | kanaldrache | No, i want the answers to the request on eth0 to leave on eth0, naturally... :) |
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| 09:05.32 | kanaldrache | Otherwise there will be no answer to my ssh on eth0... :) |
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| 09:07.25 | jelly-home | kanaldrache: don't put "gateway" in both interface description. It means "default route". |
| 09:09.17 | jelly-home | interestingly, if you do that, both routes for 0.0.0.0/0 appear to have the same metric. |
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| 09:11.39 | ciro-bonano | newbie question: I'm using debian stable, but apt-listbugs will sometimes warn me about errors when I want to upgrade packages. I don't think I had this like 2 years ago. Is this correct or do I not understand something about the Debian versions system? |
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| 09:13.21 | tehmaze_ | hello |
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| 09:14.04 | tehmaze_ | I have to repair grub and I use an encrypted root filesystem. Now the rescue CD can't mount my volume, any hints on how to fix grub now? |
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| 09:16.01 | crolle17 | how to set a time interval in the ssh_config? |
| 09:16.19 | streuner | man sshd_config |
| 09:17.43 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# man sshd_config | grep interval |
| 09:17.43 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.35 | crolle17 | streuner, sure? sshd_config? |
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| 09:19.59 | russo_ | hmm my /rpoc/fs/nfs/exports file is emtpy... even though exportfs -ra loads fine without any errors |
| 09:20.01 | russo_ | what could it be |
| 09:20.13 | russo | proc* |
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| 09:20.50 | SNow | I'm compiling kernel debian way and I get this error |
| 09:20.51 | SNow | objdump: 'fs/adfs/.tmp_dir.o': No such file |
| 09:21.09 | SNow | seemling we don't have the .tmp_dir file, but why is that? |
| 09:21.12 | SNow | seemingly.. |
| 09:21.37 | wols | adfs? is that the andrew file system? |
| 09:21.40 | streuner | Do you have a special reason for compiling kernels? |
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| 09:21.43 | triplc | hi all |
| 09:21.53 | wols | and the andrew file system to boot |
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| 09:23.03 | SNow | wols: probably, I've loaded the old config |
| 09:23.15 | SNow | streuner: yes I have, verlihub crashes with that version of kernel |
| 09:23.17 | SNow | I need an update |
| 09:23.23 | wols | did you make oldconfig? |
| 09:23.35 | SNow | I made make menuconfig and loaded oldconfig |
| 09:23.41 | wols | and if you don't need the adfs, why compile it? |
| 09:23.43 | SNow | (after cping it) |
| 09:24.08 | triplc | how to have xcompmgr in Etch? i am using Etch with Fluxbox, and i read on internet that i can use something like xcompmgr to add shadow to window to make it look good.... so i want to have a try... but do not see xcompmgr in Etch repo... searching google show that it's in Sid or experimental... anyway, can i have that shadow effect now, without upgrade to sid/experimental? |
| 09:24.18 | SNow | It was in the older version |
| 09:24.36 | wols | !tell triplc about simple sid backport |
| 09:24.47 | wols | SNow: that's no reason |
| 09:25.00 | wols | SNow: comes again to the question of streuner: why compile a kernel? |
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| 09:25.15 | wols | especially when you don't know if you need something or not |
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| 09:26.42 | streuner | There are more than 500 options to compile kernels for modern kernels, dont even think about if you dont really need that.. |
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| 09:29.04 | DustyBin | does anybody know of a terminal tool what can do bit conversions like this: http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/ |
| 09:29.26 | torgrimt | DustyBin: calc ;) |
| 09:29.55 | torgrimt | oh wrong, nevermind |
| 09:29.56 | wols | streuner: with a little knowledge of linux and hardware it's very easy |
| 09:30.18 | wols | I mean usually you know what kind of hardware you own. and if you don't you really don#t have any business to compile a kernel |
| 09:31.06 | DustyBin | torgrimt: calc is not user friendly, you would still have to put in the values yourself, i want a terminal tool what shows you all the conversions just like that website |
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| 09:31.50 | streuner | wols: that statement sucks |
| 09:31.52 | torgrimt | DustyBin: yes i see, thats why i said nevermind ;) |
| 09:32.05 | DustyBin | torgrimt: i think you should dig out C and code one for me :P |
| 09:32.21 | SNow | wols because verlihub does not work with that version, it outputs an error to me |
| 09:32.25 | torgrimt | haha ;) |
| 09:32.33 | streuner | wols: its not helpful to tell in a Debian Support channel where mostly newbies hanging around that compiling kernels is a "easy thing" |
| 09:32.53 | torgrimt | but it is an easy thing... |
| 09:33.06 | SNow | not an output, but it does not let me to connect more than 209 users |
| 09:33.17 | SNow | where the adfs is, I'll recompile |
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| 09:35.58 | SNow | anyone? |
| 09:36.02 | Portuguese | I guys |
| 09:36.08 | Portuguese | I have this rule ip6tables -I OUTPUT -s ::ffff:192.168.1.2 -j REJECT |
| 09:36.27 | Portuguese | but that IP still "spam" my network |
| 09:36.42 | Portuguese | when I run netstat |
| 09:36.48 | wols | streuner: point taken. but then, those newbies all run sid anyways |
| 09:36.57 | Portuguese | I have more then 43 connections from this IP to IMAP protocol |
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| 09:37.22 | streuner | wols: prolly, but that makes the thing not better... |
| 09:38.08 | wols | Portuguese: I'm far as you can imagine from being a iptables guru, but why OUTPUT? |
| 09:38.19 | Portuguese | sorry |
| 09:38.20 | wols | don#t you want incoming to stop? |
| 09:38.21 | Portuguese | I have both |
| 09:38.26 | Portuguese | INPUT and OUTPUT |
| 09:38.46 | Portuguese | and I still have the "spam" incoming |
| 09:38.49 | Portuguese | from that IP |
| 09:38.50 | jelly-home | (also, why ip6tables) |
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| 09:38.53 | wols | next: 192.168.1.2? that originating source is on your own LAN? and you can't stop it? |
| 09:39.14 | Portuguese | is wierd becouse I make ARP and no MAC address to this IP |
| 09:39.26 | Portuguese | and I can't find the server here in my company |
| 09:39.31 | wols | are you SURE this crook is on your LAN? |
| 09:39.40 | Portuguese | yes |
| 09:39.44 | Portuguese | is a local address |
| 09:39.49 | wols | do you happen to have a WLAN? |
| 09:40.22 | wols | cause otherwise there is a tail made of copper you can follow... |
| 09:40.28 | beli | why not stop the source of the traffic? |
| 09:41.15 | wols | and as jelly-home said: why ip6tables when it's a ipv4 address? |
| 09:41.45 | Portuguese | I can't find the source... we have a lot of project running I can't block everthing and just setup an internal firewall now... |
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| 09:41.56 | Portuguese | is ip6 |
| 09:42.04 | Portuguese | tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.:imap2 ::ffff:192.168.1.2:1312 ESTABLISHED |
| 09:42.05 | wols | 192.168.1.2 is? since when? |
| 09:42.10 | Portuguese | I have 43 connections |
| 09:42.17 | wols | you are repeating yourself |
| 09:43.08 | tehmaze_ | Portuguese, no it's ipv4 representated in and ipv6 address |
| 09:43.15 | tehmaze_ | s/and/an/ |
| 09:43.53 | jelly-home | Portuguese: already established connections will stay opened until the server-side processes realize a protocol-level timeout. You can try killing off those imapds |
| 09:44.27 | tehmaze_ | if it's courier you should be able to kill just the client instance |
| 09:44.37 | Portuguese | ok, The netstat show me like that..but still I setup a rule in hosts.deny for the ip4 as well 192.168.1.4 and I also setup a deny rule in iptables INCOMING for that IP |
| 09:44.44 | Portuguese | and I still recieve the connections |
| 09:44.47 | jelly-home | tehmaze_: eh, that's what I (thought I) said :-) |
| 09:45.01 | tehmaze_ | 'lag' :) |
| 09:45.18 | jelly-home | tehmaze_: sorry, I forget about that |
| 09:46.12 | Portuguese | yes true |
| 09:46.22 | jelly-home | Portuguese: You mean INPUT? Also, those are ipv4 addresses. Use iptables. |
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| 09:46.58 | jelly-home | #iptables is a better place for generic iptables advice |
| 09:47.14 | tehmaze_ | not sure courier will respect hosts.deny, this only works if you run your imapd trough (x)inetd I reckon? |
| 09:47.16 | Portuguese | yes jelly I used the iptables... but maybe is a delay ACK and the imap server |
| 09:49.10 | jelly-home | tehmaze_: works for any app that supports tcpwrappers one way or another. but those wouldn't keep the client from establishing connections |
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| 10:00.20 | orkam_wrk | hello |
| 10:00.47 | cubiq | I've seen system which highlights broken links. Does anyone know how I can easily spot broken symlinks in an ext3 filesystem? |
| 10:00.48 | orkam_wrk | How can I downgrade a single packet to a specific version using apt? |
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| 10:01.36 | XoX | hi |
| 10:01.45 | XoX | anyone know a site showing different backups solutions for different purposes ? |
| 10:01.50 | XoX | an overview |
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| 10:03.53 | Portuguese | tehmaze how do I clear the conecction from this ip to imap2 |
| 10:04.33 | tehmaze_ | kill the corresponding imapd |
| 10:04.43 | tehmaze_ | netstat -apn |
| 10:04.48 | tehmaze_ | netstat -apn | grep imap |
| 10:05.01 | tehmaze_ | to find the PID corresponding to the connection |
| 10:05.02 | SNow | Hey, I'm compiling an anope and I get this error in make |
| 10:05.04 | SNow | undefined reference to `pthread_kill_other_threads_np |
| 10:05.10 | SNow | In function `main': |
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| 10:06.18 | Portuguese | you want to read one funny thing... one of the connectins says is one of my colaegues computer but if I see is address is not 192.168.1.2 |
| 10:06.35 | Portuguese | tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.3:22 ::ffff:192.168.1.2:1378 ESTABLISHED32550/sshd: morten |
| 10:06.38 | Portuguese | morten user |
| 10:06.39 | Portuguese | is |
| 10:06.50 | Portuguese | morten pts/2 2007-11-05 10:11 (192.168.1.205) |
| 10:07.05 | Portuguese | how come the 192.168.1.2 is related to him? |
| 10:07.29 | tehmaze_ | maybe the address is truncated |
| 10:07.36 | tehmaze_ | to improve readability |
| 10:07.53 | Portuguese | how can I check that? |
| 10:08.17 | tehmaze_ | Portuguese, try; netstat -4apn |
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| 10:08.43 | Portuguese | no result for that IP |
| 10:09.02 | Portuguese | netstat -4apn | grep 192.168.1.2: | wc -l |
| 10:09.05 | Portuguese | 0 |
| 10:09.34 | tehmaze_ | is there some (masquerading) router in between by any chance? |
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| 10:09.52 | orkam_wrk | How can i upgrade a single packet and all tependencies to the lenny version on a sarge server? |
| 10:09.54 | Portuguese | we have a firewall |
| 10:10.17 | tehmaze_ | orkam_wrk, don't |
| 10:10.17 | orkam_wrk | Are there any quick-howtows or something available? |
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| 10:10.33 | tehmaze_ | orkam_wrk, -if- you are going to do it, use the deb-src, not a package |
| 10:10.56 | orkam_wrk | tehmaze_, the alternative is to deinstall lots of packages and compile all from source? |
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| 10:11.55 | orkam_wrk | the problem is that the version in sarge is too old and I have to update that package. Isn't it recommendet to use the packet manager in that case, too? |
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| 10:12.00 | tehmaze_ | orkam_wrk, well you'll get all kinds of issues because of conflicting (shared) library versions, (g)libc differences for example |
| 10:12.12 | russo | is there a way to add one package from testing |
| 10:13.07 | orkam_wrk | tehmaze_, I should compile from source, then? What do you suggest, russo? |
| 10:13.35 | russo | what? |
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| 10:13.39 | tehmaze_ | orkam_wrk, compiling from source -might- work, although you might need to recompile a lot of libraries in the end anyway |
| 10:13.56 | russo | yeah check the deps |
| 10:14.00 | russo | its usually a pain |
| 10:14.03 | russo | believe me |
| 10:14.09 | russo | thats where slackware was better :D |
| 10:14.23 | russo | don't like it... well you've been compiling everyhting from source :D |
| 10:14.27 | tehmaze_ | a better idea might be to update your complete system to etch->lenny |
| 10:14.28 | orkam_wrk | tehmaze_, the problem I have with compiling from source and not using apt is, that I will run into trouble later, when updating other system components |
| 10:14.35 | basanta | any recommended software for bandwidth shaping? |
| 10:15.09 | russo | orkam_wrk: what i suggest you do, is make a directory under /usr or /home/orkam called build |
| 10:15.22 | russo | then afterwards you can enter those dirs and do make uninstall |
| 10:15.27 | russo | and make clean |
| 10:15.32 | orkam_wrk | tehmaze_, I don't like to uptate that server to lenny, because it's a productive system and it isn't supposed to run a 'testing' branch. |
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| 10:15.35 | russo | and then you're usually good to go |
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| 10:16.13 | russo | is there a way to install one package from testing? noone answered... i need iscsi for stupid timemachine |
| 10:16.25 | orkam_wrk | russo, ok, if I get you right, I should compile the packet from source, but in a specific directory? |
| 10:16.28 | Portuguese | sorry I was at the phone |
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| 10:17.23 | russo | orkam_wrk: yes and leave everything you compiled there and whenever support comes out for the packages you compile, you can enter the dir (where you compiled it from source) and run make uninstal or sometimes make remove and then make clean |
| 10:17.27 | russo | and then you can delete the dir |
| 10:17.37 | russo | and the libs and everything else should be gone from your system |
| 10:17.46 | russo | however, this doesn't work for ALL packages :P |
| 10:17.56 | Portuguese | tehmaze if I see the ifocnfig I only have eth0 for the local network |
| 10:17.59 | orkam_wrk | well that might be the way |
| 10:18.00 | Portuguese | and lo |
| 10:18.10 | orkam_wrk | I'll try it like that |
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| 10:19.02 | russo | orkam_wrk: yeah thats what i do sometimes, but remember it does often happen that there are tons of libs missing (unfortunately) and it ends up being a greater waste of time than one would like |
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| 10:19.28 | torrr | hi |
| 10:19.53 | dobby | Is it possible to set limits to a file that even root cannot look at it? |
| 10:20.12 | orkam_wrk | russo, ok, but that's what I have to do... thank you for helping, so long |
| 10:20.33 | torrr | is there a way to insert unicode control char in linux? |
| 10:20.34 | russo | you might have to force reinstall some packages, in case you get incompatibility... and also i would never compile libs from a source that is still beta... that usually goes wrong :P |
| 10:20.38 | tehmaze_ | russo, to install one package from testing, just download the .deb and use dpkg -i <package>.deb |
| 10:20.54 | russo | right would that work if its from testing? |
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| 10:21.03 | russo | it usually says no candidates... or am i wrong |
| 10:21.04 | tehmaze_ | you'll find out soon enough :) |
| 10:21.07 | russo | :D |
| 10:21.22 | russo | orkam_wrk: i also keep my debs in a build dir :P |
| 10:21.24 | torrr | in opera in windows I did alt+8235 â¹» |
| 10:22.41 | russo | tehmaze_: ah... so it does work :D |
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| 10:22.50 | tehmaze_ | russo, nice |
| 10:22.56 | russo | erm |
| 10:22.58 | russo | i take it back |
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| 10:23.06 | russo | its missing dependencies |
| 10:23.09 | russo | ah screw it for now |
| 10:23.20 | torrr | but I don't think it works in linux |
| 10:24.09 | russo | torrr: i can't imagine this isn't on google, and also there are "character maps" in gnome and kde |
| 10:24.28 | russo | i mean utf is utf :P |
| 10:24.40 | russo | theres no magic to it on linux vs. windows |
| 10:24.51 | tehmaze_ | yup copy paste from your fav. 'special characters' app |
| 10:24.58 | tehmaze_ | :) |
| 10:25.29 | tehmaze_ | or choose a keyboard map that does have utf8 key bindings |
| 10:25.38 | dobby | Is it possible to set limits to a file that even root cannot read it? |
| 10:25.47 | Portuguese | no |
| 10:25.49 | tehmaze_ | dobby, maybe with chattr |
| 10:25.53 | russo | dobby: :D why would you want to do that |
| 10:26.00 | russo | dobby: its called rm <file> |
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| 10:26.36 | russo | in theory if root can't read it niether can the user |
| 10:26.38 | dobby | because the root user of the machine is a sys admin and he is not allowed to access dbf files on my system |
| 10:26.38 | Portuguese | you can setup a file with gpg ;) |
| 10:26.45 | torrr | russo: well it isn't working for me on the linux, and it does on the windows |
| 10:26.55 | torrr | russo: and I didn't find yet in google |
| 10:27.14 | Portuguese | it works fine man gpg and do it to the files |
| 10:27.18 | russo | torrr: hmm :/ can't help you then mate you could search for a utf8 map on google and copy the code |
| 10:27.23 | russo | for the char you want |
| 10:27.35 | tehmaze_ | dobby, heh, sucks if you can't trust root |
| 10:27.51 | russo | dobby: in such a situation you should create an admin user |
| 10:27.55 | dobby | I know that it works with selinux |
| 10:28.04 | russo | but root is system and an administrator per se |
| 10:28.10 | russo | the system can ALWAYS read your files |
| 10:28.31 | dobby | ok and then admin is in gorup root? |
| 10:28.46 | russo | whats that debian-system user that appears in mysql? :P |
| 10:29.21 | tehmaze_ | russo, a mysql user with some shutdown/check capabililties |
| 10:29.40 | torrr | russo, it is a control char |
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| 10:31.13 | russo | dobby: i think the configuration you want is gonna get you over your head, 1.) root will always access all files. 2.) you could set specific settings in sudoers with specific commands 3.) you could make the the folder where the files are only accessible to you and not the "admin user" (not root) but i imagine if he did sudo vi /path/to/file he could still access it, for example, although don't hold my word on that |
| 10:31.17 | elik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.35 | russo | dobby: basically if someone you can't trust has root access... its game over, check mate, mate :P |
| 10:32.18 | russo | dobby: theres a really good howto on "securing debian" you might get some ideas there |
| 10:32.55 | russo | i.e. chroot all daemons |
| 10:33.00 | tehmaze_ | you can use gnupg to encrypt private content |
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| 10:33.08 | russo | true |
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| 10:35.49 | russo | so this new nokia e51 is the greatest phone i've ever had |
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| 10:36.00 | russo | does anyone know a site for good app dowloads for the e51 |
| 10:36.09 | russo | cuz nokia tries to sell apps |
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| 10:36.29 | russo | and i'll jump out the window before i pay 20 euros for some horrible vnc app, just for the ssh |
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| 10:37.16 | jelly-home | yeah, screw those app writers and their nasty capitalist ways! |
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| 10:38.48 | slot | How do I find kernel source. It seems that aptitude cant locate it. |
| 10:39.54 | jelly-home | slot: why do you need it? |
| 10:39.56 | nkuttler | slot: kernel.org or search for linux-source? |
| 10:40.12 | slot | Need it so I can install my nvidia driver |
| 10:40.42 | jelly-home | !nvidia |
| 10:40.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 10:44.04 | slot | Debian packages commonly lag behind a month or more. I have tried to install Debian drivers, but compiz doesnt like it. |
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| 10:52.37 | torrr | any one knows how to insert a unicode char by the Hex value? |
| 10:52.50 | et | insert where? |
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| 10:53.17 | torrr | a text area |
| 10:53.25 | et | where? |
| 10:53.43 | torrr | suppose here on the IRC |
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| 10:53.59 | et | ... which program, that's what's significant |
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| 10:54.18 | torrr | opera |
| 10:54.34 | sysadmin-lb | Hi All I am trying to setup my server to send SNMP data to my cacti server..I am using teh snmpd.conf file..is this correct or should I use the snmp file as mentinoed in the tutorials..the thing is that snmp.conf does not exist |
| 10:54.46 | et | don't know if opera uses any common input method |
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| 10:55.07 | CyberMad | how to fix this problem? when i do ./configure on package "kannel", i got: checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables :( |
| 10:55.10 | torgrimt | sysadmin-lb: /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 10:55.35 | torgrimt | sysadmin-lb: and just add com2sec readonly default public, and it should work as a proof of consept ;) |
| 10:55.41 | CyberMad | any help? |
| 10:56.12 | torrr | et: in windows you just do ALT+XXXX |
| 10:56.19 | liable | !b-e |
| 10:56.19 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 10:56.28 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 10:56.53 | CyberMad | !qotd49 |
| 10:56.53 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 10:57.13 | torgrimt | or pull gcc and make, should also take the most required |
| 10:57.13 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 10:57.15 | et | and in X, it depends on the input method your application uses |
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| 10:57.48 | et | for example in urxvt, you do control+shift+hex |
| 10:57.52 | wald0 | where are set the variables of the system like $XDG_DATA_HOME ? how i can view all the variables ? |
| 10:58.04 | et | if anything uses scim, you do control-u and then the hex code |
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| 11:00.21 | et | wald0: fire up a console and type "env" |
| 11:01.09 | et | and any program that was involved in starting an app can modify its environment vars |
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| 11:03.57 | Portuguese | can someone please explain me one thing... I have a server running imapd and is by default when the server recieves a connection from any LAN host it gaves the truncated IP 192.168.1.2 the problem is.... The IMAP connection is incressing, there is one client that presists with the connection and afterwords crash the server |
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| 11:04.27 | Portuguese | why the server give the 192.168.1.2 as a default IP for the connection |
| 11:04.42 | wald0 | et: and where are teorically those vars set ? like XDG that i don't have set here ? |
| 11:04.46 | Portuguese | and how can I check the presistent connection |
| 11:06.56 | sysadmin-lb | torgrimt: I have added the line and restarted snmpd however when I tested it with scli i got a time out |
| 11:07.11 | sysadmin-lb | I tested it on the localhost...any ideas ? |
| 11:07.26 | torgrimt | that should work out of the box |
| 11:07.39 | torgrimt | so you get timeout even from localhost? |
| 11:08.18 | torgrimt | there is also vim /etc/default/snmpd witch you can spesify what ips to bind to |
| 11:08.54 | CyberMad | I got this error when do ./configure : configure: error: You MUST have the libxml2 (aka gnome-xml) library installed... i tried apt-get install libxml2 or gnome-xml, but still get that error message |
| 11:09.00 | CyberMad | how to fix it? :) |
| 11:09.23 | torgrimt | you need the -dev package probably CyberMad |
| 11:10.14 | CyberMad | how to install it? |
| 11:10.45 | torgrimt | CyberMad: apt-get install libxml2-dev is a start ;) |
| 11:12.01 | et | wald0: like i said, can be set anywhere |
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| 11:12.54 | et | if a shell is involved in starting the app, it can be inside the shell startup scripts (.zshenv or .bashrc or alike) |
| 11:13.05 | CyberMad | thanks torgrimt |
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| 11:13.36 | wald0 | et: there's no xsession's that set some extra variables ? |
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| 11:14.50 | et | wald0: i already said it twice |
| 11:14.54 | et | it can be set anywhere |
| 11:15.05 | et | may be that they are set in .xsession |
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| 11:15.35 | wald0 | ok, thx |
| 11:15.40 | XoX | if a mirror drive shows up with bad sector does mdadm reports it as failed? |
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| 11:17.16 | jelly-home | XoX: only if it happens to try to read from it, I think |
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| 11:17.59 | Portuguese | jelly... do you jellybattle :)? |
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| 11:19.29 | jelly-home | Portuguese: negative |
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| 11:20.12 | Portuguese | :-) ok but is a nice game |
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| 11:20.26 | Portuguese | nice way to make ads in the future |
| 11:20.31 | Portuguese | game ad for logitech |
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| 11:31.15 | alvaro | Hi, I'm setting up a SMS gateway. I'm using a serial line switcher called NetMos Technology PCI 9845 Multi-I/O Controller. Using the normale ttyS0 of the motherboard I can get my SMS from the GSM modem, but when I use the Net Mos it seems doesn't know the peripherial.. any suggestion?! |
| 11:31.17 | CyberMad | after i install a package use ./configure, make, make install... how do i know where all the package installed path? |
| 11:31.34 | mitziyahu | Hey, what could an empty fdisk -l mean? |
| 11:31.56 | CyberMad | alvaro right now i setting up a sms gateway, but use kannel + gsm modem (itegno) |
| 11:31.56 | mitziyahu | i was trying to check the smart info on a device but i can't see it. its a software RAID |
| 11:32.09 | et | CyberMad: you set that with the --prefix option when ./configure-ing |
| 11:32.31 | CyberMad | et ok |
| 11:33.10 | alvaro | CyberMad, I'm using smstools. The sms server works but only if I use the standard serial port (ttyS0) of my motherboard. If I use the external pci card called NetMos Debian doesn't see the modems :( |
| 11:34.32 | jelly-home | alvaro: can you confirm that its serial port works at all with, say, a nul-modem cable and a second machine (or even nul-modem correct with a known good ttyS0) |
| 11:34.35 | jelly-home | connect* |
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| 11:36.38 | jelly-home | alvaro: I'd first try to see if the PCI serial port works at all. Next I'd try connecting the gsm device and talk to it with minicom. If it all works, it's your app? |
| 11:37.04 | alvaro | jelly-home, well, this machines always worked good with Red Hat 9. About 3 weeks ago I had problems with corrupted disks and I reinstall the systems. Now I try to play with setserial to connect the GSM modems but seems doesn't take cure about the NetMos peripherial |
| 11:38.06 | alvaro | If I use the COM1 (ttyS0) integrated in the motherboard all work fine, If i use the PCI serial port with 3 switches it doesn't work |
| 11:38.17 | alvaro | I tried to force setserial also, wait: |
| 11:39.25 | alvaro | http://pastebin.com/m37e5bdf3 |
| 11:40.15 | alvaro | If I do /etc/init.d/sms start using ttyS1, 2 and 3 it just says: Modem is not ready, retry |
| 11:41.37 | alvaro | jelly-home, any idea?! |
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| 11:44.55 | jelly-home | a systematic search for the cause would be better than just trying to use a port with a single app. |
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| 11:46.09 | alvaro_ | jelly-home, so whan I can do? :) |
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| 11:47.24 | jelly-home | alvaro_: RH9 is a very old system running a 2.4 kernel. Assuming your machine is now running Debian stable, you have a 2.6.18 kernel with acpi irq routing, maybe you need to use some other interrupt number, for example. |
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| 11:48.01 | alvaro_ | k |
| 11:48.24 | jelly-home | alvaro_: pastebin the contents of /proc/interrupts and lspci -v |
| 11:48.29 | tarzeau | alvaro_: and you can easily use kernel-package/make-kpkg to use a later one from www.kernel.org |
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| 11:49.05 | jelly-home | nah, serial port support isn't a fast-moving target. :-) |
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| 11:50.11 | jelly-home | alvaro_: can you talk to the modem using minicom? |
| 11:50.54 | alvaro_ | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/m837d689 |
| 11:51.06 | alvaro_ | I'm not very expert to use minicom :p |
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| 11:51.28 | alvaro_ | anyway when I type minicom in console my system seems to freeze |
| 11:51.43 | alvaro_ | I cannot type any Ctrl+Letter after I typed 'minicom' |
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| 11:52.52 | jelly-home | if you're messing with modems and serial lines you ought to familiarize with it |
| 11:53.12 | alvaro_ | eheh yes |
| 11:54.00 | jelly-home | run minicom -s to enter setup mode |
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| 11:54.34 | jelly-home | alvaro_: if you take a look at lspci output, you'll see your PCI card now uses "irq 193" |
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| 11:57.50 | alvaro_ | yes |
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| 11:58.24 | Asmooh | Nameserver question: Why does every domain in a soa record needs his own NS ? i setup the domain to go to an other dns server on another domain; but it needs his own NS in the rr record? it this normal? |
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| 12:00.21 | alvaro_ | jelly-home, I have to change the irq to 193?! |
| 12:01.11 | alvaro_ | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/m5e2a47f |
| 12:01.21 | alvaro_ | I forced ttyS2 and 3 to use irq 193 |
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| 12:07.30 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:07.31 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
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| 12:08.09 | liable | o_0 |
| 12:08.29 | DustyBin | "If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won." - Linus Torvalds |
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| 12:19.04 | Slap_Stick | is there a way to connect to my old session via ssh as the network dropped but i can still see my session on there |
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| 12:20.27 | jelly-home | Slap_Stick: no. |
| 12:20.31 | dbmoodb | hello i have a dell laptop running as a print server, it cannot maintain an uptime longer than 2 days, for it gets i/o errros. I suspect the hard disk is getting to hot (and the box its self) because the fans might not be triggering any way to check this ? |
| 12:20.56 | Slap_Stick | ok |
| 12:21.07 | jelly-home | Slap_Stick: if you expect this to happen, you can use screen on the remote machine and reconnect to it after you log in again |
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| 12:23.15 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: you can check temp.sensors of most IDE or SATA disks with smartctl (smartmontools package) |
| 12:24.23 | dbmoodb | i have checked the temp |
| 12:25.04 | dbmoodb | it seems fine now, but when i approach it when it is not working (sshing in works then ls - fails... cannot find the command disk blah) |
| 12:25.10 | nkuttler | dbmoodb: check the i8kutils, start fans if necessary |
| 12:25.12 | dbmoodb | the box is very hot |
| 12:25.47 | nkuttler | dbmoodb: and obviously don't close the display etc... |
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| 12:26.18 | mooper | what is the command for gzipping a directory? im using $gzip foo/ foo.gz -r but Im getting gzip: foo.gz: No such file or directory |
| 12:26.48 | dbmoodb | sorry ? |
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| 12:27.21 | mooper | gzip foo/ foo.gz -r |
| 12:27.24 | Spilio | hola |
| 12:27.24 | mooper | doesnt work |
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| 12:27.35 | jelly-home | mooper: gzip only works on single files |
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| 12:27.38 | dbmoodb | 1.0 8VD*** 48 -1 0 -1 0 -1 -1 |
| 12:27.44 | jelly-home | mooper: use tar. |
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| 12:28.09 | stew | azeem: ping? |
| 12:28.15 | azeem | stew: pon |
| 12:28.15 | azeem | g |
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| 12:29.09 | stew | azeem: i was looking at #441720 but I can't even get it to build once becuase quilt push fails. It seems like all the patches are being applied -p1 instead of -p0. any idea why or what I might be doing wrong? |
| 12:29.10 | dacs | good morning all |
| 12:29.21 | dacs | !MD5 |
| 12:29.22 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
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| 12:29.56 | stew | azeem: i see the -p0's in the series file, but it seems as if it is being ignored or something |
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| 12:30.23 | azeem | stew: (FTR, I'll upload the CLI as a new package, `msynctool' soonish. What to do about the GUI is uncertain right now) |
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| 12:30.37 | mooper | !tar |
| 12:30.37 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 12:30.45 | azeem | stew: could well be that quilt changed in the meantime, I didn't look at multisync0.90 for a while |
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| 12:30.53 | fasta | I have a list of predicable urls (only a number is different) that point to .rm files that I would like to download them all. Is there some easy way to do that? |
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| 12:31.04 | dacs | what is MD5? |
| 12:31.18 | mooper | fasta, I have a little bash script that does that |
| 12:32.08 | jelly-home | alvaro__: so your dmesg | egrep 'ttyS|serial|8250' http://pastebin.com/m4fe32a21 says your PCI card serial ports are at ttyS2 - ttyS5, or, since you only have three physical ports, probably ttyS2 - ttyS4 |
| 12:32.12 | fasta | mooper: can you dcc it? |
| 12:32.24 | mooper | fasta http://rafb.net/p/CKvTSQ81.html |
| 12:32.57 | alvaro__ | jelly-home, yes but If I try to get sms using that ports the output is always that the modem is not ready |
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| 12:33.15 | fasta | mooper: but that will only download the description file for the real media file. |
| 12:33.30 | fasta | mooper: do you know how I can download the stream given the rm file? |
| 12:33.40 | azeem | stew: debian/rules patch/unpatch works for me |
| 12:34.08 | DustyDingo | *grml* anyone else problems with current wpa_supplicant? |
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| 12:34.53 | DustyDingo | its very strange, wpa_suppllicant and kismet have segfaults after last upgrade |
| 12:35.17 | DustyDingo | though the only library, which was updated and is a dependency is libssl |
| 12:36.29 | jelly-home | alvaro__: can you get minicom to work with a modem connected to ttyS0? |
| 12:37.52 | stew | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/41532 |
| 12:38.03 | stew | azeem: tried an older version of quilt too, same thing |
| 12:38.11 | alvaro__ | jelly-home, If I use ttyS0 (COM1, motherboard) I can download SMS |
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| 12:38.25 | jelly-home | alvaro__: I didn't ask that. |
| 12:38.42 | alvaro__ | Well wait |
| 12:38.47 | azeem | stew: weird |
| 12:39.27 | alvaro__ | jelly-home, when I run minicom /dev/ttyS0 it seems to freeze |
| 12:40.07 | jelly-home | alvaro__: run minicom -s -> Serial port setup, set the device to /dev/ttyS0 and speed to whatever your modem supports (115200?) |
| 12:40.20 | alvaro__ | ok |
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| 12:41.41 | alvaro__ | jelly-home, yes |
| 12:41.43 | alvaro__ | it works |
| 12:41.49 | alvaro__ | AT S7=45 S0=0 L1 V1 X4 &c1 E1 Q0 |
| 12:41.49 | alvaro__ | OK |
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| 12:42.06 | jelly-home | alvaro__: great, now try the same with ttyS2 |
| 12:42.16 | Nom- | Howdy... is there any way I can manually flag a package as already configured? |
| 12:42.42 | Nom- | I've manually completed the package conifguration tasks, but it's failing when enabling nfs mounts... it's a staging server which doesn't have access to the NFS server :/ |
| 12:42.49 | azeem | Nom-: I don't think you can do that short of messing with the dpkg database |
| 12:42.57 | azeem | ... which is totally discouraged of course |
| 12:43.22 | nkuttler | Nom-: some of the install scripts failing? put an exit 0 in there... |
| 12:43.30 | azeem | Nom-: the better approach might be to edit the pre/postinst scripts |
| 12:43.33 | jelly-home | or put an exit 0 at the beginning of postinst ;-) |
| 12:43.38 | alvaro__ | jelly-home, black screen. No answer |
| 12:43.49 | Nom- | That'd be fine, but is there somewhere i can manually edit them without pulling apart the package and rebuilding it ? |
| 12:43.59 | Nom- | I don't want to change the original package, just my local copy |
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| 12:44.08 | jelly-home | Nom-: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package-name.postinst |
| 12:44.50 | stew | azeem: it builds for me in pbuilder. so it must be something unique to my system |
| 12:45.12 | jelly-home | Nom-: then just finish it off with dpkg --configure package-name (or -a) |
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| 12:46.38 | azeem | stew: ~/.quiltrc or something maybe? |
| 12:46.41 | jelly-home | alvaro__: hmm. pastebin lsmod, maybe removing and loading modules would mess things up a bit |
| 12:47.11 | jelly-home | alvaro__: is "serial" compiled in, or built as module? |
| 12:47.20 | alvaro__ | Compiled |
| 12:47.27 | alvaro__ | 2.6.23.1 |
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| 12:47.57 | stew | azeem: yea, that was it |
| 12:47.58 | jelly-home | alvaro__: ugh. how many ports did you put as maximum? should be at least 5. |
| 12:48.12 | alvaro__ | 16 |
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| 12:48.45 | Nom- | nice, just trying it now |
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| 12:48.56 | Nom- | seems ok so far, finding other things which it didn't like at the same time :) |
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| 12:49.11 | jelly-home | alvaro__: seems ok. can you pastebin the complete dmesg? |
| 12:49.17 | alvaro__ | wait |
| 12:49.35 | pleed | Has someone an idea how to encrypt (symmetrically) a file on debian? |
| 12:49.45 | tarzeau | pleed: sure, using openssl ? |
| 12:49.56 | zophy | i'm using the testing distro and both firefox and iceweasel crash leaving an error from gecko in .xsession-error, epiphany runs fine |
| 12:50.02 | stew | azeem: i don't get it. having QUILT_PATCHES="debian/patches" in my .quiltrc makes it break. all the other lines in there are seemingly fine |
| 12:50.11 | tarzeau | pleed: here's an example openssl enc -bf -e -k $password -in $file -out ${file}.bf |
| 12:50.30 | pleed | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 12:51.04 | tarzeau | can anyone use pbuilder on etch ? |
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| 12:51.56 | azeem | !anyone |
| 12:51.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:52.29 | alvaro__ | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/m38ff26af |
| 12:53.25 | tarzeau | well if i run pbuilder create --distribution sid it says: E: Couldn't install system due to errors! probably because of I: Can't find package libtasn1-2-bin for exclusion |
| 12:53.31 | tarzeau | on sid, it works. |
| 12:55.07 | azeem | tarzeau: now say "thanks, /me tries" as well :P |
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| 12:57.08 | budgee | ping! :) |
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| 12:57.30 | dbmoodb | !ask blah |
| 12:57.31 | budgee | ola - tell me, if I want aptitude/apt to skip the configuration dialogs, how can I do this. |
| 12:57.45 | tarzeau | azeem: thanks, i still can't use pbuilder on etch (for sid) |
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| 12:58.56 | stew | azeem: the fix for that bug is simple |
| 12:59.06 | agoria | ey |
| 12:59.08 | stew | azeem: the multisync0.90 one, not the quilt one |
| 12:59.14 | agoria | what was the command to restore conf files ? |
| 12:59.15 | jelly-home | alvaro__: I have no clues. What happens if you /etc/init.d/setserial restart? does your card (or its supposed driver, parport_serial) appear in /proc/interrupts then? |
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| 13:01.28 | jelly-home | alvaro__: other things I'd try - boot with various pci= options (like that pci=routeirq that dmesg mentions), and/or with acpi disabled. |
| 13:01.39 | agoria | How do i restore conf files Å? |
| 13:01.41 | agoria | to apache2 |
| 13:02.11 | alvaro__ | ok |
| 13:02.14 | stew | agoria: do you mean restore ones that are missing? or ones which you have changed but you want to revert to the originals? |
| 13:02.27 | agoria | ones that are missing :) |
| 13:02.30 | jelly-home | alvaro__: it might also help to move the card to some other PCI slot |
| 13:02.35 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'governor'? Is 'governor' synonymous to 'control program'? Example: "This daemon is less complicated than cpufreqd or cpudyn, at the cost of absolutely depending on a 2.6 kernel with the userspace governor and sysfs support enabled." |
| 13:02.45 | stew | agoria: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:02.52 | agoria | thank you ;) |
| 13:03.00 | stew | agoria: you'll need to reinstall apache2.2-common with confmiss, not apache2 |
| 13:03.12 | agoria | Okay, i'll try |
| 13:04.34 | agoria | still any apache2.conf :S |
| 13:05.27 | agoria | ahaha nevermind |
| 13:05.27 | agoria | :D |
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| 13:06.30 | agoria | what teh hell |
| 13:06.31 | agoria | Syntax error on line 141 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: |
| 13:06.40 | agoria | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 13:06.44 | agoria | o_O |
| 13:07.05 | Archie1 | is it a stupid idea to compile the latest stable kernel from source? the reason i attempting this is because the current setup of debian etch, has terrible support for my hardware.. |
| 13:07.41 | stew | Archie1: backports.org has 2.6.22 compiled for etch: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:08.02 | Archie1 | stew: is it stable? |
| 13:08.16 | agoria | stew, do you know how to fix that error ? it simply can't be a syntax error .. |
| 13:08.23 | jelly-home | Archie1: as far as any recent 2.6 kernel is :-) |
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| 13:08.46 | Archie1 | great |
| 13:08.57 | jelly-home | Archie1: that said, it works well in my virtualbox guest with etch |
| 13:09.02 | Archie1 | doing it manually would probably be hell |
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| 13:11.08 | agoria | ffs |
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| 13:11.28 | scyld | Hi people |
| 13:12.33 | scyld | tell me please - what version of xserver is included into debian 4.0rc1? |
| 13:12.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 450 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 13:13.05 | stew | agoria: try a2enmod authz_host |
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| 13:13.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | scyld, 7.1 :) |
| 13:13.32 | scyld | seems bad |
| 13:13.38 | stew | agoria: can you show us the contents of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:13.49 | scyld | I hoped it would be 7.2 |
| 13:14.07 | scyld | can I upgrade it? |
| 13:14.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | scyld, why? |
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| 13:14.11 | liable | hrm, someone was complaining about that order thing the other day. check bts |
| 13:14.16 | liable | agoria: ^^ |
| 13:14.23 | scyld | because of radeon |
| 13:14.29 | stew | liable: i'll bet he removed /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 13:14.31 | vaq | 14:14:00.449075 IP X.X:X:X:X.webcache > 70.84.48.66.54023: R 0:0(0) ack 1 win 0 |
| 13:14.34 | vaq | webcache what is that? |
| 13:14.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | night all. |
| 13:14.46 | stew | liable: its the very first non-core directive that appears in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 13:15.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | vaq, probably 8080 - look in /etc/services |
| 13:15.02 | scyld | xorg 7.2 is known to have better support radeons |
| 13:15.03 | jelly-home | vaq: service name for port 8080 |
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| 13:15.38 | zophy[] | firefox,iceweasel and/or flash crash if the X server is using 16 bit color depth |
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| 13:16.02 | agoria | stew - mods-enabled is an empty dir o_O =? |
| 13:16.08 | stew | agoria: that explains it |
| 13:16.21 | agoria | but why ? |
| 13:16.28 | agoria | aah |
| 13:16.31 | agoria | i know |
| 13:16.31 | agoria | :D |
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| 13:16.55 | agoria | what mods do i have to install ? |
| 13:17.14 | suppaman | hello |
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| 13:17.44 | agoria | include.load rewrite.load ssl.conf ssl.load suexec.load <-- thats my current mods-enabled .. |
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| 13:19.24 | tarzeau | does shfs-source work for anyone with a 2.6.23+ linux kernel? |
| 13:20.18 | Archie1 | jelly-home: did you download the latest kernel pkg manually or installed it via apt-get? |
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| 13:20.59 | jelly-home | Archie1: actually I downloaded 2.6.22 from unstable manually, don't tell anyone |
| 13:21.12 | Archie1 | hehe |
| 13:21.15 | stew | agoria: http://paste.debian.net/41534 |
| 13:21.30 | stew | agoria: that is what a fresh apache2 install looks like |
| 13:21.36 | Archie1 | jelly-home: well you just told everyone :-P |
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| 13:22.21 | jelly-home | Archie1: there was no backport at the time. But I'll be good and install from bpo now. |
| 13:22.35 | jelly-home | Archie1: with aptitude. |
| 13:22.36 | Archie1 | stew: can installing pkgs from the bpo break other pkgs? |
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| 13:23.15 | stew | Archie1: in general, bpo is safe to use. |
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| 13:23.29 | Archie1 | great! :) |
| 13:23.46 | Archie1 | i wish i new about this before.. |
| 13:23.53 | Archie1 | saved me a lot of headaches :) |
| 13:25.13 | Archie1 | is aptitude better than apt-get or are they essentially the same thing? |
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| 13:26.09 | jyf1987 | can anyone tell me how to ban the system tip? |
| 13:26.21 | asg | the what? |
| 13:26.53 | jyf1987 | ban the system message about who in and who out |
| 13:27.28 | asg | jyf1987: you might wish to ask in #debian-zh first |
| 13:27.41 | suppaman | jyf1987: system messag |
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| 13:27.45 | suppaman | message ? |
| 13:27.55 | suppaman | jyf1987: like in /var/log/message ? |
| 13:28.01 | jyf1987 | no in irc |
| 13:28.06 | jyf1987 | this channel |
| 13:28.21 | asg | jyf1987: /help ignore (if you use irssi) |
| 13:28.50 | jyf1987 | asg:you r chinese ? |
| 13:28.50 | agoria | stew - hmm .. how do i get those mods :s ? |
| 13:28.54 | asg | jyf1987: no |
| 13:29.20 | suppaman | ah now "system" acquires a whole new meaning |
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| 13:30.30 | jyf1987 | /ignore public |
| 13:30.33 | psyche_ | any idea how i can install Debian with PPPoE? |
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| 13:31.20 | atlfalcons866_ | will debian slow down as more space is used |
| 13:31.26 | azeem | psyche_: download the full CD#1, then setup pppoe |
| 13:31.29 | suppaman | psyche_: install "with" ? I think I used netinstall and then a pppoe connection once, is that what you mean? |
| 13:31.32 | jyf1987 | /ignore pubclic #debian |
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| 13:32.15 | pleed | what to you think of server administration with webmin? good? bad? why? |
| 13:32.22 | xand | !webmin |
| 13:32.23 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 13:32.27 | xand | that's what |
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| 13:33.24 | stew | agoria: a2enmod modname |
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| 13:35.29 | pleed | xand: well i just let computers connect to webmin which are in my vpn and i m rejecting the port from everywhere else so i think this is pretty secure isnt? |
| 13:35.43 | xand | I guess |
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| 13:38.28 | dbmoodb | hello |
| 13:38.49 | dbmoodb | i'm still getting problems - now even faster (hard disk ...) syslogd(2546): dirtied inode and kjournald(986): WRITE block 50304 on hda1 |
| 13:39.02 | asg | pleed: if you *have* to use it, I'd suggest binding to localhost and tunneling your browser to it via ssh tunnels. |
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| 13:39.47 | cast | i'm considering abandoning firefox, due to crashes i endure, does anyone have any opinions regarding the security of konqueror [in relation to ff]? |
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| 13:40.20 | cast | only other browser i can think to switch to would be epiphany |
| 13:40.27 | dbmoodb | !konqueror |
| 13:40.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, konqueror is a great webbrowser, filemanager, viewer et al and is located at http://www.konqueror.org |
| 13:40.35 | jelly-home | *cough*opera*cough* |
| 13:40.53 | pleed | asg: i dont have to use it but i will spend a lot of time in administration of my server and why not using something which makes thinks done faster. thats why i m asking how you think it is. |
| 13:40.54 | dbmoodb | !opera |
| 13:40.54 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt> |
| 13:40.55 | cast | that's not closed source :) |
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| 13:41.15 | jelly-home | cast: yes it is! |
| 13:41.19 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 13:42.01 | asg | pleed: Personally, I wouldn't use it; administering servers via cli over ssh is much more to my liking. If you prefer webmin, feel free to use it; just make sure it's locked down. |
| 13:42.08 | dbmoodb | mmm well anyone got a hard disk fix for me ? |
| 13:42.21 | petemc | buy a new one |
| 13:42.33 | dbmoodb | ah you think my debian install is dead or the hard disk is dead ? |
| 13:42.38 | petemc | (i didnt see your problem) |
| 13:42.38 | dbmoodb | i can't tell |
| 13:42.42 | dbmoodb | oh well it's above |
| 13:43.37 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: backup your data. run short and long smart tests. |
| 13:43.53 | dbmoodb | i ran the long test - where is it loggign the output too ? |
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| 13:44.12 | bzed | dbmoodb: smartctl -a /dev/hda |
| 13:44.16 | dbmoodb | ah yeah |
| 13:44.24 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: exit status of the test is available in that output |
| 13:45.16 | dbmoodb | oh crap |
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| 13:45.33 | dbmoodb | # 3 Short captive Completed without error 00% 224 - |
| 13:45.56 | bzed | I thought you were running a long test? |
| 13:45.59 | jelly-home | dbmoodb: that's actually !crap |
| 13:46.01 | dbmoodb | i did |
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| 13:46.08 | bzed | how? |
| 13:46.10 | bzed | and when? |
| 13:46.12 | dbmoodb | # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 7148 - |
| 13:46.19 | dbmoodb | but i don't believe that one |
| 13:46.45 | bzed | sometimes disks can't diagnose themself |
| 13:46.57 | dbmoodb | sure |
| 13:46.57 | bzed | what you can try is the appropriate tool from your HD's vendor |
| 13:47.10 | badcfe | i have a question about minicom, wich may be off-tobic. but are there any minicom exports here maybe? |
| 13:47.17 | bzed | they all have diagnostic tools you can boot from a floppy |
| 13:47.32 | bzed | !tell badcfe about anyone |
| 13:48.29 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 13:49.25 | dbmoodb | !tell dbmoodb dbmoodb |
| 13:49.47 | bzed | !tell dbmoodb about selftell |
| 13:50.06 | badcfe | i use minicom to connect via rs232 to an equipment. minicom sends the modem commands wich the equipment does ofcourse not understand, as it is not a madem at all. is it possible to totally deactivate all modem commands in minicom? |
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| 13:50.59 | cast | i'm quite liking konqueror, accepts things like gg:searchword [google], man:nmap, info:libc, is good :) |
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| 13:51.05 | dbmoodb | ah drat i cannot find any toolsfor it |
| 13:51.13 | bzed | badcfe: run minicom -s, edit the modem settings, remove the initialization string there and save it as default |
| 13:51.30 | bzed | badcfe: probably also change all other settings you'd change before saving |
| 13:51.42 | zjialejc | cast: now to figure out who really reads manpages with konqi :p |
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| 13:52.09 | bzed | dbmoodb: from which vendor is your HD? |
| 13:52.18 | badcfe | bzed: thanks (i could read that in the man, but just wondered if there was an option of "temporarily" desactivating them) |
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| 13:52.31 | bzed | badcfe: not afaik. |
| 13:52.39 | dbmoodb | nevermind i found it |
| 13:52.43 | dbmoodb | ibm is silly |
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| 13:52.57 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.58 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.58 | jyfl987 | who have used freetalk ? |
| 13:53.06 | bzed | dbmoodb: ibm sold their HD stuff to hitachi if I remember right |
| 13:53.15 | bzed | !tell jyfl987 about anyone |
| 13:53.21 | bahadunn | bzed: yes that is correct |
| 13:53.33 | bahadunn | still make good drives |
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| 13:53.38 | dbmoodb | ah no |
| 13:53.47 | bzed | the last IBM IDE drives were pretty much crap |
| 13:53.50 | dbmoodb | ibm have high faults no ? |
| 13:54.00 | bahadunn | not that I know of |
| 13:54.02 | dbmoodb | wait so are ibm or hitachi drives the crap ones ? |
| 13:54.06 | bzed | but the hitachi drives seem to be good again |
| 13:54.17 | dbmoodb | nar it says ibm/ hit... so which is it ? |
| 13:54.23 | bahadunn | just stay away from seagate |
| 13:54.24 | jyfl987 | anyone? |
| 13:54.29 | dbmoodb | ??/ seagate |
| 13:54.33 | dbmoodb | seagate own... |
| 13:54.34 | OminousZ | I've had some bad experience with maxtors, and alot of others I know have as well... |
| 13:54.35 | bahadunn | and maxtor was bought by seagate so stay away from maxtor too |
| 13:54.40 | bzed | bahadunn: nah, just don;t buy their cheap stuff. the Cheetahs are working well for years |
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| 13:54.50 | OminousZ | as in, fails suddenly and lose everything kind of bad |
| 13:54.52 | dbmoodb | .... the barra's a good |
| 13:54.57 | jyfl987 | bzed: i mean gnu freetalk for gtalk |
| 13:54.58 | bzed | maxtor is the really cheap line of seagate now |
| 13:55.05 | bahadunn | bzed: dont want to buy expensive drives really |
| 13:55.11 | bzed | !tell jyfl987 about anyone |
| 13:55.19 | bahadunn | we use quite a bit of western digitals |
| 13:55.21 | bzed | jyfl987: now go and read what dpkg told you |
| 13:55.23 | bahadunn | they seem pretty good |
| 13:55.30 | OminousZ | if you want to buy cheap drives, set up a RAID! |
| 13:55.43 | jyfl987 | ok sorry |
| 13:55.44 | bahadunn | or backup your data |
| 13:55.45 | bahadunn | :-P |
| 13:55.48 | dbmoodb | !raid |
| 13:55.48 | dpkg | well, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 13:55.50 | bzed | OminousZ: no, raids kill drives |
| 13:55.54 | OminousZ | thus you can ensure data retention even when cheap stuff goes horribly wrong! |
| 13:55.57 | dbmoodb | ah no - raid 1 |
| 13:56.03 | bzed | dbmoodb: reayd teh selftell piece again please |
| 13:56.05 | bahadunn | I have several hitachi drives for several years without any problems at all |
| 13:56.06 | OminousZ | bzed, who cares? they're CHEAP! |
| 13:56.16 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:56.19 | liable | bzed: eh? raid kills drives? |
| 13:56.26 | bzed | OminousZ: cheaper in the long run to buy disks which were made for raids |
| 13:56.32 | dbmoodb | raid is a bug spray |
| 13:56.34 | bahadunn | drives rarely just die these days |
| 13:56.35 | OminousZ | bzed, nonsense |
| 13:56.47 | bzed | liable: yes, no other place where drives are stressed as much as in raid sets |
| 13:56.48 | bahadunn | you should at least have some indication of the drive going bad and backup the data from it |
| 13:56.54 | OminousZ | since when does it matter if a drive is "made" for RAIDs? |
| 13:57.02 | bahadunn | dbmoodb: raid sucks as a bug spray |
| 13:57.09 | liable | bzed: and i imagine you have some data to back this claim up? |
| 13:57.11 | dbmoodb | mmm |
| 13:57.32 | bahadunn | bzed: yeah you have evidence? |
| 13:57.33 | dbmoodb | since he is in the money busienss |
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| 13:57.48 | bzed | OminousZ: pretty easy: there're drives which were made for 24/7/365 usage, and drives which prefer to be powered off and on every day |
| 13:58.09 | bahadunn | I have some drives in raid 1 for at least 3 years now which is a good time for a drives lifetime |
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| 13:58.20 | OminousZ | Okay, so, since I'm a nice guy, I'm just going to take your statements at face value to be true |
| 13:58.22 | bahadunn | for the money I spent on them they were worth 3 years so far |
| 13:58.41 | OminousZ | Regardless of it, the point remains, that if you're using a RAID, it doesn't matter, since they're cheap! |
| 13:58.54 | xoz_ | i notice that the less often you use your harddisk, the more it is prone to defect. i had not use my computer for 8 months, and the first thing that broke was the hd. |
| 13:58.55 | bahadunn | OminousZ: even raid can fail |
| 13:59.01 | dbmoodb | nar the point is both drives will be used |
| 13:59.03 | liable | bzed: hrm, my seagates in a raid have been running three years now quite happily. i think you mean laptop drives are the ones that are designed to spin down |
| 13:59.05 | bahadunn | OminousZ: just cause you have raid does not mean you cannot backup your data |
| 13:59.09 | dbmoodb | so you can get half the life time |
| 13:59.11 | bzed | we're running about 200 drives around the clock, it's jsut what we've expierienced |
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| 13:59.36 | OminousZ | Yeah, even RAID can fail, but it you set it up with data retendtion in mind, the odds are astronomical to the point of highly improbable if not impossible |
| 13:59.48 | bahadunn | bzed: we also run a lot of drives in raid and not 24/7 and we do not see the raid drives dying more then the non-raid drives |
| 14:00.05 | liable | raid isnt a solution meaning you dont nedd to do backups |
| 14:00.06 | bahadunn | OminousZ: okay if you say so |
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| 14:00.14 | OminousZ | And with time factored in, where you can hotswap, you'd have to walk away and come back 50 years before it might fail |
| 14:00.17 | dbmoodb | fecking windows computer will not eject a cd... |
| 14:00.19 | petemc | OminousZ: the only thing you can be sure of is that the drive will fail at some point |
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| 14:00.22 | bahadunn | OminousZ: I will trust my experience more then your word for it |
| 14:00.25 | liable | file system errors will eat your data on a raid as easy as a single drive |
| 14:00.29 | bzed | liable: no, there's even a difference between drives for consumers and drives for servers. Most companes got special Sata drives out which were designed for running in raid sets for that reason |
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| 14:00.44 | OminousZ | petemc, I'm aware of this.... that's why I'm saying... drives are CHEAP in RAID solution! |
| 14:00.50 | bahadunn | OminousZ: I have had raid 5 with hot spare fail on me before |
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| 14:01.10 | liable | bzed: can you show me an example of such a drive thats designed for raid? |
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| 14:01.16 | petemc | OminousZ: the price is variable depending how you use it? :) |
| 14:01.23 | liable | i would like to see the manufacturer data |
| 14:01.42 | petemc | google published a good paper on the reliability of cheap drives |
| 14:01.53 | OminousZ | petemc, if you're not using Inexpensive Drives/Disks, then it doesn't fit the acronym of RAID |
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| 14:02.04 | OminousZ | thus, irrelevant to entire discussion |
| 14:02.08 | bzed | liable: http://www.westerndigital.com/en/ for example |
| 14:02.42 | liable | petemc: iirc, it leaned towards the cheap end |
| 14:02.42 | petemc | it did |
| 14:02.42 | bzed | liable: look at the big advertising on the page. if that's not enough, compare the specs of eterprise drives with the consumer drives |
| 14:02.48 | OminousZ | and bahadunn, I'm not talking about a 5 drive solution, when I say "if you build it with data retention in mind" |
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| 14:03.37 | OminousZ | And still, I'm not precluding the possibility of complete and utter failure, I'm saying it's very easy to make it highly improbable. That's all. |
| 14:03.38 | liable | bzed: i dont see anything about raid drives |
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| 14:04.39 | bzed | liable: it says WDs raid edition on the first page. but you can just look at the enterprise drives, they should be all fine for server/raid/... use |
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| 14:05.05 | liable | bzed: i am arguing your point about raid being hard on drives, and you are yet to show me anything saying it is |
| 14:05.20 | liable | it doesnt make anysense at all if you think about it |
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| 14:05.33 | OminousZ | Nah, he didn't say it would be on it, just that the HDD is geared for RAID usage |
| 14:05.39 | bzed | right |
| 14:06.06 | liable | hrm |
| 14:06.07 | liable | 22:55 < bzed> OminousZ: no, raids kill drives |
| 14:06.36 | bzed | if you look what a serious raid controller does with drives you'll see that if there's no traffic the raid controller will jsut check the raidsets, optimize stuff and so on |
| 14:06.46 | OminousZ | Which I can see how someone might market that, but really, I think the RAID solution naturally puts anything but HDD write speed and capacity into a very miniscule corner of what could affect * on your system |
| 14:06.58 | bzed | a drive in a serious raid controller is working 24/7 |
| 14:07.13 | bzed | I'm not talking about the cheap raid shit you get in the supermarket |
| 14:07.30 | bzed | i doubt they do any checks, and there's nothing to optimize for them |
| 14:07.40 | liable | any drive in a serious box is working |
| 14:07.44 | OminousZ | Well, that's the raid controller |
| 14:07.50 | liable | your argument is silly |
| 14:07.54 | OminousZ | the drives just do what they're told |
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| 14:08.05 | liable | *why* is a raid harsher on a drive? |
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| 14:08.18 | bahadunn | OminousZ: we have an 8 drive in raid 5 |
| 14:08.29 | bahadunn | OminousZ: with hot spare |
| 14:08.38 | OminousZ | Okay, and? |
| 14:08.50 | bahadunn | OminousZ: and it failed |
| 14:08.58 | agoria | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running |
| 14:09.01 | OminousZ | Congratulations. |
| 14:09.02 | agoria | what does that mean ? |
| 14:09.08 | OminousZ | You had a RAID that failed. |
| 14:09.08 | liable | must be tardsday |
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| 14:09.11 | bahadunn | OminousZ: backup yoru data |
| 14:09.14 | bzed | liable: because it results in moves of the drive head jsut around the clock, something a drive in your desktop never does |
| 14:09.15 | nkuttler | agoria: it's not running |
| 14:09.21 | agoria | oh rly |
| 14:09.26 | OminousZ | bahadunn, How about you stop making a useless point? |
| 14:09.27 | agoria | no pid file ?p |
| 14:09.38 | OminousZ | RAIDs can fail, I've said this at least 3 times now |
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| 14:10.15 | junix|work | is there anyone using the ATI drivers on debian stable? |
| 14:10.32 | bahadunn | junix|work: use to |
| 14:10.33 | bzed | !tell junix|work about anyone |
| 14:10.37 | dbmoodb | !ati |
| 14:10.37 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd> |
| 14:10.37 | bahadunn | junix|work: not recently though |
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| 14:11.34 | junix|work | bahadunn: hmmm...i just got a new computer at work |
| 14:11.45 | bahadunn | junix|work: use fglrx |
| 14:11.59 | junix|work | what kind of problems will i see? |
| 14:12.24 | junix|work | i have a ATI 2400 Pro |
| 14:12.33 | XoX | how to list mtime of files using ls |
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| 14:14.05 | bahadunn | junix|work: if you have kernel headers it should be fine |
| 14:14.10 | bahadunn | junix|work: just run the installer |
| 14:14.14 | junix|work | ok |
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| 14:18.54 | tiredbones | I just installed etch. I'm changing the browser to Icewesal. I want to add some plugins, such as flashplugin- nonfree. I went to edit the sources.list and notice the main was lenny, Do I use lenny's nonfree for this plugin? |
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| 14:19.22 | dbmoodb | apt-get |
| 14:19.43 | azeem | tiredbones: what do you mean with "notice the main was lenny", was it like that in your sources.list before you edited it? |
| 14:20.04 | tiredbones | azeem, yes |
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| 14:20.18 | azeem | tiredbones: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 14:20.52 | tiredbones | azeem, give me a sec, my install is on another machine |
| 14:20.58 | azeem | sure |
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| 14:22.26 | agoria | Why do i get an 404 error, but there is an index.html in my documentroot folder ? |
| 14:22.34 | rocketmagnet | hi, i know it's not channel related, but does someone know why the default 'ftp' client is not able to remove hole directories ? i allways get something like 550 Could not delete prop-base: No such file or directory |
| 14:22.39 | abrotman | agoria: check your apache logs |
| 14:23.08 | rocketmagnet | but the files exists =( |
| 14:23.13 | bahadunn | abrotman: howdy? |
| 14:23.24 | agoria | abrlt |
| 14:23.31 | agoria | abrotman - access.log or error.log ? |
| 14:24.03 | tiredbones | azeem, libc6 is 2.6.1.1 + b1 |
| 14:24.28 | azeem | tiredbones: you've install lenny/testing then, not etch |
| 14:24.44 | bahadunn | agoria: error.log first |
| 14:25.05 | rocketmagnet | hm |
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| 14:25.42 | rocketmagnet | i've read the man ftp stuff but they don't tell much about this, only that there is 'mdelete' and 'rmdir' but both doesn't remove any directories =( |
| 14:25.58 | agoria | [Thu Nov 01 11:21:43 2007] [notice] mod_python: Creating 8 session mutexes based on 150 max processes and 0 max threads. |
| 14:25.59 | bahadunn | agoria: sounds like maybe you need to define a DirectoryIndex index.html in your virtual host configuration |
| 14:26.08 | agoria | Hm |
| 14:26.14 | agoria | I think it is defined |
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| 14:26.34 | bahadunn | agoria: seems in new apache2 packages it had to be explicitly set for each virtual host |
| 14:26.48 | bahadunn | agoria: I only thought of it because I remember having to do that on my server |
| 14:27.02 | agoria | Hmm |
| 14:27.03 | bahadunn | agoria: but I am wondering if that is true for etch |
| 14:27.19 | bahadunn | agoria: I think maybe that happened in lenny and not etch so what I just told you might be a waste of time |
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| 14:27.33 | agoria | Hehe |
| 14:27.35 | agoria | I can try :D |
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| 14:27.50 | bahadunn | agoria: yeah it doesnt hurt to try it |
| 14:27.56 | tiredbones | azeem, well I download this release about 3 months ago and just now installed it. Lenny is ok . I'll to lenny rep files. thanks for your time |
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| 14:28.23 | cast | rocketmagnet: if its giving you pain ncftp/lftp are very good clients, if you have either one installed |
| 14:28.45 | rocketmagnet | i want a console client |
| 14:28.51 | rocketmagnet | the gftp for gtk sucks |
| 14:29.05 | jelly-home | rocketmagnet: lftp is very nice. |
| 14:29.06 | rocketmagnet | just quits after some files when i select more stuff to delete |
| 14:29.12 | simonrvn | lftp |
| 14:29.19 | bahadunn | rocketmagnet: ncftp or lftp are very good |
| 14:29.21 | clamiax | How can i make a video by grabbing X11? |
| 14:29.22 | rocketmagnet | but why does ftp does not allow mdelete and rmdir for directories ? |
| 14:29.34 | rocketmagnet | i can delete file per file |
| 14:29.38 | rocketmagnet | but not a dir at once |
| 14:29.42 | cast | ftp> rmdir wtf |
| 14:29.42 | cast | 250 Remove directory operation successful. |
| 14:29.49 | cast | seems to work fine, was your dir empty? |
| 14:29.54 | rocketmagnet | no |
| 14:30.01 | bahadunn | rocketmagnet: maybe your server does not allow directory removal |
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| 14:30.02 | rocketmagnet | ftp> mdelete jupload |
| 14:30.02 | rocketmagnet | mdelete . [anpqy?]? a |
| 14:30.25 | rocketmagnet | 550 Could not delete .classpath: No such file or directory |
| 14:30.37 | rocketmagnet | bahadunn: and what should i do then ? |
| 14:31.04 | rocketmagnet | does ncftp handle this ? |
| 14:31.07 | agoria | bahadunn - doesnt help :/ |
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| 14:31.50 | bahadunn | agoria: strange |
| 14:32.02 | agoria | yes .. |
| 14:32.03 | agoria | hm |
| 14:32.04 | bahadunn | agoria: you sure there are no mistakes for your documentroot etc...? |
| 14:32.23 | agoria | DocumentRoot /var/www |
| 14:32.40 | abrotman | bahadunn: hi |
| 14:32.47 | bahadunn | abrotman: howdy? |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | agoria: check both logs .. but if it's not found it willb e in the error log |
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| 14:32.53 | abrotman | bahadunn: hi! |
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| 14:33.05 | agoria | h |
| 14:33.07 | agoria | okay .. |
| 14:33.09 | bahadunn | abrotman: howdy? == how do you do? |
| 14:33.26 | Manes | hi |
| 14:33.41 | rocketmagnet | hm, with ncftp, what do i need to enter password ? i get 'this is a private system - no anyonymous logins' |
| 14:34.03 | cast | rocketmagnet: help open |
| 14:34.05 | agoria | suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec) |
| 14:34.06 | abrotman | bahadunn: not really .. but i'm fine :) |
| 14:34.10 | agoria | could it be that ? |
| 14:34.21 | rocketmagnet | cast: ty |
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| 14:34.32 | themill | !tell cerise about root |
| 14:34.37 | abrotman | agoria: there should be a line in your error log that says file wasn't found or some such thing |
| 14:34.42 | Manes | I was looking to install OpenLDAP, but i couldn't find the OpenLDAP package with APT, is it anymore available ? |
| 14:34.52 | bahadunn | abrotman: sorry things are not good but happy you are fine |
| 14:34.58 | agoria | abrotman, there aint |
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| 14:36.07 | rocketmagnet | cast: i get same error message here =( |
| 14:36.14 | cast | :( |
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| 14:36.37 | tarzeau | how can i create a tap device? |
| 14:36.43 | rocketmagnet | cast: delete wwwroot/: server said: Could not delete wwwroot/: Invalid argument |
| 14:36.46 | abrotman | bahadunn: things aren't good with you ? |
| 14:36.53 | E-bola | Do anybody run debian on hp servers? Im wondering if you can team together the 2 nic's on the proliant dl rack servers? |
| 14:36.56 | E-bola | like you can in windows |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | agoria: there shold be something |
| 14:36.58 | rocketmagnet | but here is see the important stuff :'SERVER SAID:' =( =( |
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| 14:37.15 | abrotman | E-bola: failover or summing the bandwidth ? |
| 14:37.19 | agoria | abrotman - should i try to paste the whole log ? |
| 14:37.24 | abrotman | agoria: you can |
| 14:37.25 | agoria | to a paster of course :D |
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| 14:37.26 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:37.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:37.29 | SlayerXP | E-bola: shorter answer: yes. |
| 14:37.31 | agoria | Okay .. |
| 14:37.35 | bahadunn | abrotman: yes things are okay with me |
| 14:37.35 | agoria | how do i select all in vim :D ? |
| 14:37.51 | E-bola | abrtoman: both if possible, but im looking for failover manily |
| 14:37.51 | E-bola | mainly even |
| 14:37.56 | codazoda | I've got IceWeasel 2.0.0.6 installed under Debian. But, the spell checking doesn't seem to work. I've installed aspell, to see if it uses that. Am I missing something else? |
| 14:38.15 | abrotman | E-bola: you use channel bonding to make them appear as one .. failover you'd probably google for, but it shouldn't be hard |
| 14:38.19 | E-bola | SlayerXP / abrtoman: Im just wondering if there are any official hp way to do it |
| 14:38.41 | E-bola | i was very pleasently supprised that most of the hp drivers/software came as natively packaged for debian etch |
| 14:38.52 | E-bola | its the first time i install a debian server where everything just works fromt he vendor :) |
| 14:39.06 | pleed | my server has an open port 111 where rcpbind is listening on. does it need to be open? |
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| 14:39.23 | abrotman | pleed: likely not |
| 14:39.29 | abrotman | pleed: are you using NFS ? |
| 14:39.37 | abrotman | that's the mots common use |
| 14:39.37 | pleed | abrotman: no |
| 14:39.45 | mark_s | hi all, I have a Debian Fileserver with nfs running. Now one of our customer installed a router (VPN) in our office. How can I make sure only our clients (10 MacOSX) can connect to the server? I guess with nfs the customer can see our fileserver through his router. We use the 192.168.0.XXX net. |
| 14:40.04 | pleed | abrotman: well my problem is to find out if it s needed by a service |
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| 14:40.29 | bahadunn | abrotman: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/v/10-28-2007/dsc02876.jpg.html |
| 14:40.33 | PSyKo | howto install fglrx ? |
| 14:40.47 | E-bola | SlayerXP: do you run hp? |
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| 14:41.18 | cast | mark_s: can assign perms based on ips |
| 14:41.29 | bahadunn | abrotman: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/v/AdrielleSeptember/dsc02812b.jpg.html |
| 14:41.34 | abrotman | !tell PSyKo about fglrx one-liner |
| 14:41.39 | mark_s | cast: where do I do this? |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | bahadunn: eww .. kids! |
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| 14:42.05 | abrotman | or rather .. kid |
| 14:42.10 | PSyKo | thx a lot abrotman |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | bahadunn: why do you keep changing nicks darn it? :) |
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| 14:43.05 | sinizzl | hi |
| 14:43.07 | sinizzl | how does dovecot handle usernames? |
| 14:43.10 | sinizzl | does it use teh normal entries in /etc/passwd ? because it's telling me username 'whatever' is unrecognized. it used to work before though with that username. what password does it use? a user's normal shell password in /etc/shadow ? |
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| 14:44.30 | bahadunn | abrotman: hey she is my kid |
| 14:44.38 | bahadunn | abrotman: I dont like other kids that much though |
| 14:44.39 | abrotman | i gathered |
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| 14:44.46 | bahadunn | abrotman: I have 3 nicks |
| 14:44.50 | bahadunn | abrotman: I dont change them |
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| 14:45.07 | abrotman | bahadunn: it's hard to keep track :) |
| 14:45.10 | bahadunn | abrotman: sorry |
| 14:45.21 | bahadunn | abrotman: I am mostly using bahadunn these days |
| 14:45.46 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:45.50 | sinizzl | anyone familiar with dovecot? |
| 14:45.53 | Ovi | I ran a port scan and I realised I got some open ports I weren't aware of. Are there any problems about that? |
| 14:45.55 | cast | mark_s: /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} might be one way, /etc/exports another |
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| 14:46.07 | bahadunn | abrotman: if you ever come to the Bahamas do NOT do business with cable bahamas unless you like doing business with the most assinine people who live here |
| 14:46.25 | abrotman | bahadunn: well .. hopefully i wouldn't be signing up for tv :) |
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| 14:46.30 | bahadunn | sinizzl: a bit |
| 14:46.38 | bahadunn | abrotman: but internet you would I am sure |
| 14:46.43 | mark_s | cast: does it matter which one I choose? |
| 14:46.59 | abrotman | bahadunn: oh .. yeah :) |
| 14:47.11 | sinizzl | bahadunn: how does dovecot handle usernames? i want a very simple setup. i got this username "beef" (for incoming spam etc.) |
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| 14:47.21 | sinizzl | it's telling me that the username was not recognized. |
| 14:47.36 | sinizzl | but teh user itself does exist and has a shell. it does receive mail via postfix |
| 14:47.54 | orkam_wrk | I have compiled a package from source and installed it in /usr/local. /usr/local/bin is in $PATH. If I do '/usr/local/bin/myapp', it works. But just 'myapp' fells me: file or dir not found. How can I make that known to my system without creating a symlink in /usr/bin ? |
| 14:49.06 | nkuttler | orkam_wrk: add it to your $PATH... should be explained in ~/.bash* somewhere i guess |
| 14:49.08 | orkam_wrk | I do not want to make excessive use of symlinks, because it will more difficult to maintain the system for others later... |
| 14:49.16 | stew | orkam_wrk: what does "echo $PATH" print? |
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| 14:49.30 | orkam_wrk | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/bin |
| 14:49.34 | cast | mark_s: i do not know |
| 14:49.46 | orkam_wrk | like I told you: /usr/local/bin IS in $PATH |
| 14:50.00 | nkuttler | oops... |
| 14:50.18 | cast | mark_s: i'd setup /etc/exports to be as restrictive as possible, and see where that got me, personally |
| 14:50.20 | nkuttler | orkam_wrk: what does which myapp say? |
| 14:50.33 | orkam_wrk | one moment... |
| 14:50.48 | bahadunn | sinizzl: oh are you using dovecot for smtp? |
| 14:51.40 | orkam_wrk | http://nopaste.info/fbf12ed4e3.html |
| 14:51.44 | mark_s | cast: ok, I'll check that. Thank you. |
| 14:51.46 | orkam_wrk | that is what I did |
| 14:52.14 | orkam_wrk | btw which ogrinfo tells me: /usr/local/bin/ogrinfo |
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| 14:53.29 | orkam_wrk | It's a component of the gdal package. Like I'm still on sarge I couldn't use the lanny packet (actual version). So I did apt-get remove gdal and compiled it from source. |
| 14:53.53 | orkam_wrk | I did already compile some other apps against the gdal libs, that does work fine. |
| 14:54.15 | orkam_wrk | Only, I'm not able to execute the command as user if I'm not in /usr/local/bin . |
| 14:54.31 | orkam_wrk | Sounds strange, I know, but, what could be the problem? |
| 14:54.40 | stew | orkam_wrk: what is the exact error message you get? |
| 14:54.49 | sinizzl | bahadunn: im using dovecot for pop3 |
| 14:54.51 | orkam_wrk | stew, look at my paste |
| 14:55.21 | orkam_wrk | the error message is german, and means 'file or directory not found' |
| 14:55.29 | sinizzl | bahadunn: as i said, i want a very basic setup. i ahve a homeserver that's online 24/7 and i want to receive mail on it. receiving with postfix works flawlessly but downloading the mails on another computer with pop3 doesn't quite seem to work. it's always rejecting username |
| 14:55.47 | stew | orkam_wrk: can you type "bash" to start a new subshell and see if the problem persists in the subshell? |
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| 14:56.11 | orkam_wrk | stew, I'm in a screen, but it should be possible, yea |
| 14:56.31 | VladimirZ | what is the difference between debian and ubuntu |
| 14:56.34 | orkam_wrk | stew YES! |
| 14:56.37 | spq | i have problems with nscd, it is very slow (because the backend is slow) but a full request like getent passwd is only as slow as a single user request is, is it possible to feed nscds cache with a query like the one done by getent? |
| 14:56.40 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 14:56.40 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 14:56.51 | stew | orkam_wrk: so just exit that shell having problems and forget it ever happened |
| 14:56.56 | orkam_wrk | that's it... maybe the problem was related to the 'old' env of the screen |
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| 14:57.14 | orkam_wrk | stew, thank you very much! |
| 14:57.22 | VladimirZ | where can i find documentation how to set something on debian |
| 14:57.30 | dbmoodb | ah for what ? |
| 14:57.51 | VladimirZ | for a lot of things:) |
| 14:57.56 | dbmoodb | like ? |
| 14:57.57 | abrotman | VladimirZ: such as? |
| 14:58.01 | xand | google |
| 14:58.02 | VladimirZ | wireless connection |
| 14:58.08 | dbmoodb | for what hardware ? |
| 14:58.13 | dbmoodb | or just in general ? |
| 14:58.13 | VladimirZ | broadcom |
| 14:58.20 | dbmoodb | well sure i am using one right now |
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| 14:58.59 | dbmoodb | once you get the firmware you can use bcm43-fwcutter i think it is called to grab what you need and then from there you can use the gnome networking manager to do what ever you want |
| 14:59.10 | stew | VladimirZ: install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
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| 14:59.57 | VladimirZ | ok |
| 14:59.59 | abrotman | dbmoodb: bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 15:00.02 | VladimirZ | ty |
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| 15:02.29 | bahadunn | sinizzl: is the username a system user or in some database or something? |
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| 15:03.02 | DawnLight | yo |
| 15:03.12 | Scurz | hi here |
| 15:04.18 | uptownben | Hi All. I just got a fsck failed. Run manually. message on boot. and I was dropped to a "press CTRL-D or login" prompt. I want to run fsck to fix whatever disk errors there are, but I'm not sure of the correct switches... |
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| 15:05.04 | Scurz | I've a little problem with iptables and ftp, I can connect me on a ftp space (port 20 and 21) without problem, but I can't do "ls" when I'm connected on the ftp space... ideas? |
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| 15:05.33 | aventis | hello |
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| 15:06.56 | aventis | can i have link to debian etch ftp/http mirror link from Israel to get updates? |
| 15:07.14 | asg | aventis: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:07.27 | cast | Scurz: this with the 'ftp' command? |
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| 15:07.42 | Scurz | cast: no, I'm using yafc |
| 15:08.01 | cast | ahh. nvm then :) |
| 15:08.06 | DawnLight | a stranger will be logging in to a box that i've set up for him to develop software in C in. funny sentance. he will be working with an irrigation controller attached to a serial port on this machine. so i would like to secure my system enough. i don't have experience with this. is there a guide somewhere? any tips? first thing i'd like to do is to disallow the use of the su command for his account. how should i do such a thing? |
| 15:08.21 | cast | i just had ls failing because i wasn't in passive mode, |
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| 15:08.53 | cast | DawnLight: install vserver is my suggestion |
| 15:09.20 | DawnLight | aventis: shalom, the mirror is in isoc.org.il |
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| 15:10.04 | Scurz | cast: ok, apparently, that's good with the 'ftp' command. Thanks. |
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| 15:10.44 | cast | !secure debian |
| 15:10.45 | dpkg | it has been said that secure debian is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 15:11.01 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 15:11.34 | cast | DawnLight: i don't know how to add permissions to use the serial port, the vserver channel is on OFTC, OFTN? eh...irc.debian.org, that place. |
| 15:11.48 | Scurz | cast: but, why, with yafc, that's not good ? because I'm in passive mode? |
| 15:11.50 | cast | i presume its possible |
| 15:12.06 | cast | Scurz: no idea bro, i don't even know what yafc is :) |
| 15:12.45 | Scurz | cast: it's a ftp client. |
| 15:13.40 | bzed | DawnLight: you can;t disable su for the account, it also doesn;t make much sense - choose a better root password instead. |
| 15:14.12 | bzed | DawnLight: vservers are pretty easy to setup, adding the device file into the guest is easy usually, too |
| 15:14.29 | DawnLight | bzed: i thought it could get brute forced. but i'm going to go for the vserver thing and check it out |
| 15:14.37 | bzed | DawnLight: http://www.linux-vserver.org has a pretty good documentation, otherwise ask in #vserver on OFTC |
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| 15:14.58 | bzed | DawnLight: brute-forcing a good password using su takes years |
| 15:15.04 | num000 | hello, is anyone here from turkey who knows if wordpress.com is reachable from turkey? is the case still going on? |
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| 15:15.17 | streuner | !politics |
| 15:15.17 | dpkg | well, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 15:15.22 | Ronin | what case? |
| 15:15.38 | num000 | turkey is blocking wordpress.com |
| 15:15.47 | streuner | thats OT |
| 15:15.56 | Ronin | ahh |
| 15:15.57 | streuner | num000: discuss that somewhere else, please. |
| 15:16.02 | bzed | num000: ask in #turkey or so please. |
| 15:16.07 | num000 | ok |
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| 15:17.11 | Insolit | if i set a directory with full permissions, all files moved to that directory will inherit those permissions right? |
| 15:17.16 | RichiH | so... |
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| 15:17.37 | Scurz | cast: there is the same problem with filezilla... |
| 15:17.52 | RichiH | setting up cli mail system so that mail(1) will use a remote smtp server to sent stuff to |
| 15:17.59 | RichiH | any pointers to what i should read? |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | you want a smarthost? |
| 15:18.13 | streuner | hehe |
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| 15:18.20 | denken | is it just me or is debmirror seriously broken in some way? it will not work reliably no matter what i do. essentially this exact problem: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/4727 |
| 15:18.42 | streuner | RichiH: postfix or exim is pretty easy to setup using smarthost... |
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| 15:18.50 | asg | RichiH: use nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 15:19.04 | abrotman | asg: you know how to take all the fun out of it |
| 15:19.25 | asg | abrotman: well, I could point him to the new bat book that's being released by O'Reilly |
| 15:19.36 | agoria | what should i type insteed of apache2.2-common to download the conf files for php5 ? |
| 15:19.42 | agoria | php.5.2-common :D ? |
| 15:19.46 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 15:19.58 | agoria | ty |
| 15:19.58 | abrotman | asg: seems reasonable .. what could possibly go wrong? |
| 15:20.02 | RichiH | nullmailer reads good |
| 15:20.10 | streuner | RichiH: which MTA do you use, btw? |
| 15:20.13 | asg | abrotman: open relay ftw! |
| 15:20.33 | abrotman | asg: maybe he wants that .. you know those wacky germans |
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| 15:20.50 | streuner | !hakadance abrotman |
| 15:20.59 | asg | abrotman: nah, he wants nullmailer, I know it |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | streuner: hukka ? |
| 15:21.28 | asg | abrotman: humpa |
| 15:21.32 | abrotman | asg: oh fine .. make it easy on him .. |
| 15:21.34 | simonrvn | woompa |
| 15:22.00 | asg | abrotman: I may need him to help my buy Biers if I make it to .de next summer |
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| 15:22.19 | streuner | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haka |
| 15:22.34 | abrotman | what makes you think i can read english? |
| 15:22.53 | RichiH | asg: as ssmtp reads even easier, i think i want that |
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| 15:23.01 | simonrvn | abrotman: true, you are american |
| 15:23.02 | asg | RichiH: :) |
| 15:23.16 | asg | !simonrvn++ |
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| 15:23.42 | simonrvn | abrotman: you walked into that one *grin* *blush* |
| 15:23.50 | RichiH | asg: ssmtp allows to rewrite local mail to external addresses, as well? |
| 15:24.08 | agoria | hmm |
| 15:24.19 | asg | RichiH: I think so, I haven't used it in a long time ... just know it's useful for those lightweight smarthost forwarding scenearios. |
| 15:24.22 | agoria | i need to download a new copy of php5.conf - how to do :)? |
| 15:24.29 | asg | abrotman: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:24.31 | asg | bah |
| 15:24.35 | asg | agoria: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:24.37 | RichiH | asg: aye, ta |
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| 15:24.45 | asg | RichiH: not a problem |
| 15:24.46 | agoria | had try'd thatr |
| 15:24.47 | agoria | thatr |
| 15:24.49 | agoria | that |
| 15:24.58 | agoria | but it aint downloadet php5.conf o.O |
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| 15:25.15 | streuner | purge them all and re-install php5 |
| 15:25.15 | asg | agoria: you have to use it on the package that actually contains the file you need. /msg dpkg search |
| 15:25.29 | streuner | !find php5.conf |
| 15:25.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'php5.conf' (1): (/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf) in net/libapache2-mod-php5. |
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| 15:26.18 | DustyBin | i need to share my soundcard with vmware but it complains the device is busy and in use, and thats true, it is, how do you change the permissions of devices in /dev ? my soundcard is this: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-11-05 13:52 dsp |
| 15:26.18 | simonrvn | php.ini |
| 15:26.40 | simonrvn | DustyBin: uh, that's not going to help |
| 15:26.45 | agoria | still not any php5.conf :S |
| 15:26.54 | DustyBin | simonrvn: :( |
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| 15:27.13 | bzed | !tell DustyBin about dmix |
| 15:27.28 | streuner | agoria: apt-get install --reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:27.34 | abrotman | streuner: it's a conf file |
| 15:27.50 | streuner | hm, some postinst script create it? |
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| 15:28.24 | streuner | grep everything then :-) |
| 15:28.44 | streuner | in /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 15:29.15 | abrotman | it's a conf file in libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 15:32.07 | streuner | Who wants PHP anyway? ;-) |
| 15:32.15 | streuner | PHP is crap |
| 15:32.47 | bahadunn | streuner: what do you use in place of php? |
| 15:33.23 | streuner | bahadunn: pure html |
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| 15:33.29 | RichiH | asg: works |
| 15:33.37 | asg | cool |
| 15:33.40 | bahadunn | streuner: ah |
| 15:33.54 | streuner | bahadunn: but, i must say, i use webmail... |
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| 15:34.01 | RichiH | in related news, i will probably use that for all my personal boxen |
| 15:34.03 | streuner | and most of them using php |
| 15:34.04 | RichiH | like.. right now |
| 15:34.20 | RichiH | asg: does it cache and try to resend when there is an error? |
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| 15:34.32 | bahadunn | streuner: yes I know what you mean |
| 15:34.56 | bahadunn | streuner: I dislike php also but I use some stuff that is written in php |
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| 15:35.46 | asg | RichiH: I don't think it does, for that you need a real MTA iirc. Newer versions might, I've only used the sarge version. |
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| 15:37.47 | killersh | helo. logrotate for apache2 calls /etc/init.d/apache2 restart. restart action in init script is implemented as apache_stop(); sleep(10); apache_start(); |
| 15:38.10 | killersh | thus if it takes more than 10 seconds to stop apache, logrotate effectively kills apache. i think it's delirium |
| 15:38.21 | killersh | what people who wrote this stuff were thinking about? |
| 15:38.54 | streuner | killersh: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 15:40.36 | stew | killersh: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:41.28 | killersh | Etch 4.0 |
| 15:41.48 | killersh | streuner: you mean version? ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:42.11 | killersh | so actually question is why can't initscript just call apache2ctl restart. at least |
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| 15:42.30 | streuner | !info libc6 etch |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 15:42.55 | stew | killersh: yours looks different than this: http://paste.debian.net/41542 ? |
| 15:43.43 | killersh | stew: no, my looks exactly same. see /etc/init.d/apache2 tail for some weirdness.. |
| 15:44.22 | Spida | how do I tell module-assistant to run without the ncurses-gui? |
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| 15:44.51 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 15:45.02 | solemnwarning | I've got 3 disks in a machine, but only two work currently |
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| 15:45.11 | stew | killersh: you mean "tail /etc/init.d/apache2"? |
| 15:45.16 | stew | killersh: i don't see any wierdness |
| 15:45.33 | solemnwarning | Will the debian installer create a degraded RAID-5 array over two disks so I can get this thing running before I get disk 3 sorted out? |
| 15:45.56 | \amethyst | killersh: I see it doing apache_sync_stop, then apache2ctl start, in the init.d script on my etch machine |
| 15:46.07 | \amethyst | killersh: what version of the apache2 package? |
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| 15:46.16 | killersh | tail -n 16 /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 15:46.16 | stew | killersh: what does "md5sum /etc/init.d/apache2" return? |
| 15:46.30 | killersh | restart is implemented as stop(); wait 10 seconds; start; |
| 15:46.39 | \amethyst | killersh: and did you upgrade from something other than etch? |
| 15:46.45 | killersh | it should be implemented via just sending SIGHUP |
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| 15:47.08 | stew | killersh: http://paste.debian.net/41543 |
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| 15:50.23 | killersh | aha, probably it was updated to do synchronized stop instead of waiting 10 seconds.. however, why not just apache2ctl restart, or apache2ctl graceful? |
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| 15:50.56 | killersh | i don't actually want to have downtime because of log rotations |
| 15:51.21 | cloakable | heh |
| 15:51.32 | stew | killersh: i'd recommend using the debian init script instead of whichever one you are using |
| 15:51.35 | themill | killersh: look at reload rather than restart as the argument to the init script |
| 15:52.00 | killersh | i'm using debian init script, probably a bit older than you do |
| 15:52.30 | streuner | version of libc6 look different than the version which is in etch actually |
| 15:52.33 | stew | killersh: what does "md5sum /etc/init.d/apache2" return? |
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| 15:53.32 | \amethyst | killersh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=439027 |
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| 15:57.26 | Ward1983_ | what do i need to apt-get to get killall? |
| 15:57.33 | solemnwarning | psmisc |
| 15:57.33 | mike1o | how do I extract .daa poweriso files? |
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| 15:57.36 | streuner | dpkg, \amethyst++ |
| 15:58.30 | UNDERsoN | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.18 | stew | UNDERsoN: don't, instead change the first line of the python program to be "#!/usr/bin/python2.4" instead of "#!/usr/bin/python" |
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| 16:00.00 | Ward1983_ | solemnwarning, thanx |
| 16:00.01 | killersh | stew: i have version 2.2.3-4 installed, while current is 2.2.3-4+etch1 |
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| 16:00.21 | stew | killersh: what does "md5sum /etc/init.d/apache2" return? |
| 16:00.27 | stew | killersh: what does "dpkg -s apache2.2-common | grep init\.d" return? |
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| 16:00.48 | stew | killersh: do they match? |
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| 16:01.18 | \amethyst | stew: no, the bug killersh identified was fixed in 2.2.3-4+etch1 |
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| 16:02.00 | stew | \amethyst: what is the bug#? |
| 16:02.05 | \amethyst | killersh: The 2.2.3-4+etch1 changelog includes * When doing a restart, wait for the server to die [. . .] |
| 16:02.05 | killersh | stew: yup, they match. |
| 16:02.11 | killersh | \amethyst: ok thanks. |
| 16:02.13 | UNDERsoN | stew problem is there are a lot off python programs, also install configuration used python path. So that is the problem. |
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| 16:02.34 | \amethyst | stew: 298689 is the one mentioned there |
| 16:02.38 | killersh | hope in few years they'll realize that there's apache2ctl restart command |
| 16:02.43 | stew | \amethyst: ok |
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| 16:02.50 | killersh | or implement reload in logrotate script.. |
| 16:02.52 | stew | killersh: its being used currently |
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| 16:03.06 | stew | killersh: reload is currently implemented in the more recentl logrotate scripts |
| 16:03.18 | stew | killersh: you should probably upgrade the box to stable in any case |
| 16:03.33 | killersh | in 2.2.3-4+etch1 or in further release? |
| 16:04.46 | \amethyst | killersh: yes, which is the current version in etch |
| 16:05.06 | \amethyst | killersh: maybe you installed before the 4.0r1 point release and haven't upgraded since? |
| 16:05.32 | stew | \amethyst: no, he's using etch from before it was released as 4.0r0 |
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| 16:05.38 | \amethyst | oh, even worse |
| 16:05.47 | jelly-home | maybe the conffile was manually edited and not updated since |
| 16:05.52 | stew | 10:41 < killersh> streuner: you mean version? ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:05.53 | \amethyst | that too |
| 16:06.05 | stew | jelly-home: i had him check, and the init script was not changed |
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| 16:07.20 | UNDERsoN | stew I meen that files with #!/usr/bin/python lines ~20. It's a site. It use python path in configuration. Does dpkg have option which tell dpkg python=python2.4 or not? |
| 16:07.45 | brubelsabs | I need the e1000-ich9 network module, but etch hasn't it. How could I perform a network install? |
| 16:07.50 | jelly-home | stew: I meant the logrotate one, that ought to invoke the init script |
| 16:08.07 | stew | jelly-home: it does |
| 16:08.13 | jelly-home | oh |
| 16:08.23 | stew | jelly-home: otherwise he wouldn't be here |
| 16:08.23 | jelly-home | carry on then :-) |
| 16:08.26 | stew | :) |
| 16:08.27 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 16:08.27 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:08.31 | L0cKn | brubelsabs: You cannot |
| 16:08.35 | L0cKn | :-) |
| 16:08.48 | brubelsabs | L0cKn: :-( |
| 16:09.01 | stew | UNDERsoN: there is no such option in dpkg. it used to be strongly recommended that you NOT touch that symlink. i dont' know if that changed with the last major python overhaul |
| 16:09.15 | stew | bzed: do you know? is it ok for him to change the /urs/bin/python link to 2.4? |
| 16:09.17 | abrotman | !tell brubelsabs about kmuto |
| 16:09.20 | killersh | stew: actually i have two servers, second one also has this problem and it has " |
| 16:09.29 | killersh | 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 16:09.34 | L0cKn | brubelsabs: I've installed the base system and with Knoppix (Live) I've downloaded and installed that module |
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| 16:09.46 | killersh | i don't really understand this numbers, but it's after 4.0r0? |
| 16:09.48 | L0cKn | (Chroot by live to Debian) |
| 16:09.53 | L0cKn | :-) |
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| 16:09.59 | bzed | stew, UNDERsoN: sorry, I'm not 100% sure what the question/problem is |
| 16:10.12 | L0cKn | Sorry, but my English is horrible |
| 16:10.16 | L0cKn | I'm only 14 :-) |
| 16:10.33 | brubelsabs | abrotman: kmuto? |
| 16:10.34 | stew | bzed: he has a lot of non-packaged stuff making the assumption that /usr/bin/python is 2.4 |
| 16:10.35 | abrotman | brubelsabs: if kmuto doesn't work for you .. /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 16:10.37 | stew | oh wait |
| 16:10.40 | stew | /usr/bin/python should be 2.4 |
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| 16:10.43 | stew | !info python |
| 16:10.45 | bzed | UNDERsoN: I'd say you're using ubuntu |
| 16:10.46 | abrotman | brubelsabs: kmuto is a DD that makes etch installers with newer kernels |
| 16:10.48 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-6 (sid), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 16:10.50 | Steven_elvisda_ | hello every one |
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| 16:11.00 | nepbabu | Steven_elvisda_, yo |
| 16:11.01 | stew | UNDERsoN: what does "readlink -f $(which python)" return? |
| 16:11.09 | bzed | UNDERsoN: are you using ubuntu? |
| 16:11.15 | stouset | So, this is extremely odd. The internal clock in one of my machines isn't incrementing. |
| 16:11.29 | Steven_elvisda_ | i can not sendmail to blahblah@yahoo.com via /usr/sbin/sendmail -t |
| 16:11.30 | stouset | Anyone have a clue what might cause that? |
| 16:11.31 | Steven_elvisda_ | what wrong? |
| 16:11.35 | jelly-home | python is still -> python2.4 in lenny |
| 16:11.36 | Steven_elvisda_ | typeed |
| 16:11.42 | bzed | stouset: is probably a ntpd runnign which dires to move the clock to the right time? |
| 16:11.50 | Steven_elvisda_ | /usr/sbin/sendmail -t blahblah@yahoo.com |
| 16:11.51 | UNDERsoN | stew /usr/bin/python2.5 |
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| 16:12.15 | stew | UNDERsoN: what does "apt-cache policy python | grep Installed" return? |
| 16:12.17 | bzed | UNDERsoN: you still didn;t answer my question |
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| 16:12.59 | fasta | I takes 0.012 ms to ping my other machine. But during ssh login it justs waits and waits and never asks for my password. Why? |
| 16:13.10 | bzed | fasta: sounds like you have a DNS problem |
| 16:13.13 | asg | fasta: it's probably doing a reverse lookup on your IP |
| 16:13.16 | stouset | bzed: No ntpd. |
| 16:13.20 | abrotman | fasta: rdns |
| 16:13.26 | jelly-home | fasta: care to pastebin ssh -vvv remote-machine ? |
| 16:13.29 | Steven_elvisda_ | anyidea everyone? |
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| 16:14.16 | jelly-home | Steven_elvisda_: you haven't provided any error message, exit status, or log file lines that might indicate the cause |
| 16:14.17 | bzed | stew: I'm sure we have an Ubuntu user there... |
| 16:14.23 | fasta | debug1: Applying options for * |
| 16:14.26 | fasta | debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 |
| 16:14.26 | fasta | debug1: Connecting to uber [192.168.2.100] port 22. |
| 16:14.29 | stew | bzed: yeah. sorry to bother you |
| 16:14.34 | Steven_elvisda_ | jelly-home: so? |
| 16:14.36 | jelly-home | fasta: PASTEBIN |
| 16:14.36 | bzed | stew: not a problem at all |
| 16:14.46 | fasta | jelly-home: that's the last most important bits |
| 16:14.49 | fasta | jelly-home: 3 lines. |
| 16:15.00 | jelly-home | fasta: nothing below? |
| 16:15.01 | Steven_elvisda_ | ohhh |
| 16:15.03 | fasta | jelly-home: was the paste limit lowered again? |
| 16:15.07 | fasta | jelly-home: no |
| 16:15.15 | jelly-home | ah, ok then |
| 16:16.01 | jelly-home | fasta: I'd expected it to go somewhat further. :-) Does telnet uber 22 connect? |
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| 16:16.27 | fasta | jelly-home: Trying 192.168.2.100... and then nothing |
| 16:16.37 | fasta | jelly-home: so, that would be no. |
| 16:16.41 | fasta | jelly-home: both are Debian |
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| 16:16.59 | jelly-home | fasta: you be having network problems then, or .2.100 isn't really your machine? |
| 16:17.29 | jelly-home | s/your machine/the machine you wanted to connect to/ |
| 16:18.03 | fasta | jelly-home: never mind it |
| 16:18.09 | fasta | jelly-home: I did something stupid |
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| 16:20.03 | jelly-home | !tell Steven_elvisda_ -about smart questions |
| 16:20.08 | jelly-home | !tell Steven_elvisda_ -about ask |
| 16:20.27 | nepbabu | sometimes sshd version incompatibility can also cause this |
| 16:21.09 | Steven_elvisda_ | jelly-home: piseth@li11-13:~$ /usr/sbin/sendmail -t ppboy1629@yahoo.com |
| 16:21.10 | Steven_elvisda_ | hello ppboy1629 this is second question |
| 16:21.13 | Steven_elvisda_ | here is |
| 16:21.21 | jelly-home | cause the tcp connection to hang? unlikely |
| 16:21.50 | nepbabu | jelly-home, yeah man. i had osx <-> debian one time. didn't work |
| 16:22.48 | brubelsabs | abrotman, L0cKn: thanks |
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| 16:22.58 | L0cKn | Np brubelsabs :-) |
| 16:22.59 | dbe` | Is there a free clone of the game backpacker? |
| 16:23.17 | jelly-home | Steven_elvisda_: you ended that with EOF (ctrl-d)? what was the exit status? run echo $? right after the sendmail command |
| 16:23.22 | L0cKn | i don't know |
| 16:23.28 | Steven_elvisda_ | yeah |
| 16:23.34 | Steven_elvisda_ | jelly-home: thanks for ur helping |
| 16:23.42 | Steven_elvisda_ | now it is smooth now |
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| 16:23.47 | Steven_elvisda_ | i got email |
| 16:23.50 | Steven_elvisda_ | thanks friend |
| 16:23.55 | JonkoPa | How do I configure my timezone? from console? |
| 16:24.03 | jelly-home | Steven_elvisda_: np |
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| 16:25.00 | jelly-home | !tell JonkoPa -about tzconfig |
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| 16:25.20 | Steven_elvisda_ | !tell Steven_elvisda_ -about tzconfig |
| 16:25.27 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, tzconfig |
| 16:25.49 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, manually set /etc/timezone -> your timezone |
| 16:26.21 | grub | hi, what client for voice+video in debian? |
| 16:26.28 | JonkoPa | nepbabu, I installed ntp but it keeps on saying: Fri Jan 25 03:03:20 CET 2002 |
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| 16:26.50 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, cat /etc/timezone and see. |
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| 16:26.59 | JonkoPa | nepbabu, it says Amsterdam/Europe |
| 16:27.15 | JonkoPa | i mean Europe/Amsterdam NelsonFx |
| 16:27.17 | JonkoPa | nepbabu, |
| 16:27.24 | nepbabu | Jonbo, what about /etc/ntp/* ? |
| 16:27.48 | nepbabu | ntp.conf JonkoPa |
| 16:27.48 | vook | x/clear |
| 16:28.06 | JonkoPa | nepbabu, what should I look fore? |
| 16:28.31 | nepbabu | Jonbo, you got server some.ntp.server.there ? |
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| 16:28.43 | AciD` | hi |
| 16:29.04 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, "server x.x.x.x" |
| 16:29.15 | nepbabu | AciD, hi man |
| 16:29.22 | JonkoPa | nepbabu, just server ntp.ubuntu.com |
| 16:29.38 | nepbabu | Jonbo, you are in nl ? |
| 16:29.43 | JonkoPa | nepbabu, yes |
| 16:29.46 | nepbabu | wait |
| 16:30.01 | Ward1983_ | whats the command again to update the menus ? |
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| 16:30.26 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, try this nl.pool.ntp.org |
| 16:30.59 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, then do "invoke-rc.d ntp restart" |
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| 16:32.33 | JonkoPa | nepbabu, still the same |
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| 16:33.18 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, what about from your session? |
| 16:33.56 | sohmestra | what is the point of a 127.0.1.1 entry in /etc/hosts? |
| 16:34.17 | stew | sohmestra: generally to allow your hostname to be resolved |
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| 16:34.33 | nepbabu | sohmestra, man hosts |
| 16:34.39 | sohmestra | stew is there a reason why it can't go in 127.0.0.1? |
| 16:34.43 | stew | sohmestra: no |
| 16:34.48 | sohmestra | nepbabu: I'll check it out. |
| 16:34.54 | solemnwarning | Because some fool decided loopback needed an entire /8 subnet |
| 16:35.33 | nepbabu | JonkoPa, can't you just set timezone from your gui session? |
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| 16:36.53 | sysadmin-lb | regarding ssh-keygen and the rsa key generated by it..can I use them on windows to encrypt decrypt plain text...if yes what tool should i use on windows to use them ? |
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| 16:38.03 | Noboru | can i ask a hardware firewall question ? |
| 16:38.23 | Ronin | sysadmin-lb: no, those keys are for ssh without passwords not encrypting data etc. |
| 16:39.07 | Noboru | my cusumer told me it's slower connecting to my new server than the old one at the same data-centre,now the guys in datacenter shutdown hardware firewall on the new server, the connecting speeds improves a lot,how come ? |
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| 16:39.33 | ks | is there an analog of /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions ? |
| 16:39.45 | nsk | hello debian people |
| 16:39.48 | Noboru | with the firewall on, browser on the pages built on the new server, all are acting slower :( very strange. |
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| 16:40.21 | nsk | anyone knows why apt-get update complaints: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/etch/volatile/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden |
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| 16:41.57 | nsk | my home PC does not complaint about volatile, but my server does, consistently for weeks |
| 16:42.47 | sysadmin-lb | Ronin: any idea about a suitable program to create those keys for encryption decryption ? |
| 16:43.16 | Ronin | sysadmin-lb: looked in pgp and the linux version? |
| 16:43.20 | Ronin | into |
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| 16:45.10 | labanux | hi everyone.., i'm just finished install debian 4.0, but i don't get any default debian source.list.. where can i get it? |
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| 16:45.20 | Ronin | !tell labanux about sources.list |
| 16:45.45 | labanux | Ronin : thanx.. |
| 16:46.23 | labanux | Ronin : how about non-free, and non-US packages? |
| 16:46.43 | nsk | also, my home pc updates from the security repository just well, while the server says md5sum mismatch... |
| 16:46.47 | labanux | deb http://kambing.ui.edu/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 16:46.49 | labanux | deb http://kambing.ui.edu/debian non-US stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:46.49 | labanux | deb http://kambing.ui.edu stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 16:47.18 | labanux | that's my source list, but i get error message from 2nd and 3rd link/ |
| 16:47.23 | Detox_at_Work | anyone install etch onto a Vista PC? Would like to have my duel boot back but dont want to hose the new pc |
| 16:47.31 | DustyBin | has anyone had any luck with getting a vnc client refresh rate nice when running with compiz? |
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| 16:48.08 | mike1o | I installed the fakeroot package... but fakeroot is still not available as a command... why? |
| 16:48.11 | labanux | !tell source.list |
| 16:48.19 | nsk | Detox_at_Work: I believe grub should boot vista just fine, no? |
| 16:48.30 | Detox_at_Work | dont's know |
| 16:48.45 | nsk | anyone being aware of why my home pc updates from debian-volatile while the server always says 403 Forbidden ? |
| 16:48.48 | Detox_at_Work | all I find in google search is horror stories |
| 16:48.51 | Ronin | !tell labanux about non-us |
| 16:48.58 | Ronin | !tell labanux about non-free |
| 16:49.48 | labanux | !tell labanux about updates |
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| 16:50.06 | luis[27] | hi all |
| 16:50.21 | jelly-home | Detox_at_Work: you could run linux inside a virtual machine |
| 16:50.48 | Detox_at_Work | don't want to lose the speed |
| 16:50.51 | jelly-home | Detox_at_Work: or use vista's own boot loader |
| 16:51.02 | Detox_at_Work | besides ,, would then have to buy VM Ware |
| 16:51.11 | nsk | Detox_at_Work: it is a good idea to use two hard drives if u can |
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| 16:51.17 | Detox_at_Work | only ahve 1 |
| 16:51.19 | Detox_at_Work | is laptop |
| 16:51.22 | nepbabu | nsk, what does your sources.list say? |
| 16:51.25 | jelly-home | Detox_at_Work: nah, vmware-server, vmware-player and virtualbox are gratis |
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| 16:51.40 | Detox_at_Work | vista's boot loader will work? |
| 16:51.44 | nsk | Detox_at_Work: google tells me in grub you have to use rootnoverify and makeactive for vista dualboot... don't know more. |
| 16:51.45 | Detox_at_Work | do I need EasyBCD? |
| 16:52.00 | Detox_at_Work | k |
| 16:52.02 | nepbabu | Detox_at_Work, install grub in your mbr and let it do all the hardwork |
| 16:52.17 | Detox_at_Work | can you past tjhe google search you used? |
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| 16:52.24 | nsk | nepbabu: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 16:52.27 | jelly-home | nepbabu: that is so not the advice I'd give |
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| 16:52.49 | nepbabu | jelly-home, well, it'd work :) |
| 16:52.49 | jelly-home | nepbabu: my laptop loses functionality if MBR is touched |
| 16:52.56 | nepbabu | jelly-home, not my pc, not my laptop |
| 16:52.58 | nepbabu | :D |
| 16:53.17 | nsk | Detox_at_Work: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+grub+vista&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 16:53.20 | Detox_at_Work | so jelly ,,, recommend jsut isntall debian and let grub do it's thing? |
| 16:53.24 | jelly-home | and I have no idea how Vista reacts to MBR being hosed |
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| 16:53.41 | nsk | Detox_at_Work: the second google result seems to have some stuff |
| 16:53.48 | Detox_at_Work | nsk ,,, thanks for the reading |
| 16:53.56 | jacod | serial console is enabled in grub, but works only until initrd is loaded |
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| 16:54.28 | jelly-home | Detox_at_Work: no. I recommend to make an image of the whole disk first. Then try to google on how to use vista's boot manager to chainload grub from the new partition. |
| 16:54.32 | nepbabu | nsk, that line doesn't look right to me. :-/ |
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| 16:54.56 | Detox_at_Work | ok |
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| 16:55.03 | jelly-home | Detox_at_Work: that's what I would do if I had no experince with Vista (and I don't) |
| 16:55.09 | Detox_at_Work | me either |
| 16:55.15 | Detox_at_Work | but that sounds safe |
| 16:55.17 | FastPutty | smeone know why i still can connect to the prot 22.. here the ip tables rules; http://pastebin.com/m3ec12139 |
| 16:55.20 | nepbabu | vista sucks |
| 16:55.26 | nsk | nepbabu: I copied-pasted it from http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 16:55.48 | nsk | Detox_at_Work: are you sure you need to dual boot into vista? |
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| 16:57.12 | nsk | nepbabu: even though the line is copy-paste from debian webpages, it doesn't work on the server, even though it works on the home pc |
| 16:57.13 | nepbabu | nsk, works fine for me man. |
| 16:57.24 | nepbabu | nsk, have no idea. dumbfounded |
| 16:57.37 | nsk | and there isn't any firewall blocking anything |
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| 16:57.42 | nsk | ok thanks |
| 16:58.21 | NOTevil_ | i'm trying to install mysql-server-4.1 (but getting 5.0), how do i configure to use oldstable? will that do what i want? |
| 16:58.31 | stew | FastPutty: what makes you think you should be able to connect to port 22? |
| 16:58.47 | FastPutty | stew:i connected with another internet conenctin |
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| 16:58.51 | FastPutty | stew: and it works |
| 16:58.54 | sinizzl | how do i define a password for a user in courier-pop3 ? |
| 16:59.01 | stew | FastPutty: over which interface? |
| 16:59.04 | FastPutty | eth0 |
| 16:59.12 | nepbabu | nsk, 503 -> 503 Service Unavailable |
| 16:59.24 | nepbabu | nsk, so i have no idea why that shouldn't work. |
| 16:59.45 | abrotman | NOTevil_: it might not work on etch |
| 16:59.53 | FastPutty | stew: got an idea? |
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| 17:00.12 | stew | FastPutty: well on your INPUT chain you said to drop all packets by default, and there is no rule there to say to do anything differeent with ssh packets |
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| 17:00.21 | cubiq | I just installed a new debian system. What do I need to download to get the kernel sources? apt-get kernel-sources or? |
| 17:00.27 | FastPutty | stew: so it shold drop by default no? |
| 17:00.34 | FastPutty | stew: then why i a able to connect? |
| 17:00.34 | stew | FastPutty: yes |
| 17:00.35 | nsk | nepbabu: mine still says Forbidden for volatile (it never worked) and md5sum mismatch for security (last few hours), home pc works for both just ok - strange |
| 17:00.37 | FastPutty | stew: tat weird... |
| 17:00.50 | cubiq | !kernel-source |
| 17:00.59 | stew | FastPutty: you were able to establish a new connection? or continue using an existing connection? |
| 17:01.09 | FastPutty | stew: establish new one |
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| 17:01.28 | stew | FastPutty: you wouldn't be able to on eth0, you would on eth1 |
| 17:01.32 | nepbabu | nsk, what about sloppy archive? |
| 17:01.40 | FastPutty | oh stew , my mistake |
| 17:01.46 | FastPutty | it on port 5001 |
| 17:01.50 | FastPutty | i have a rules enable it.. |
| 17:01.53 | NOTevil_ | abrotman: strange. i have one debian 4.0 with mysql 4.1 runnning and replicating fine, just trying to setup another when i ran into this. :S |
| 17:01.55 | FastPutty | sorry |
| 17:02.09 | nepbabu | nsk, deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile-sloppy main contrib non-free |
| 17:03.06 | nsk | nepbabu: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/etch/volatile-sloppy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden |
| 17:03.42 | nepbabu | :-/ |
| 17:03.58 | nsk | nepbabu: sloppy works fine on the home pc though |
| 17:04.36 | nsk | I have also tried other mirrors and the problem is consistent with all mirrors I tried |
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| 17:05.40 | nsk | a quick google search seems to suggest that no one has experienced this problem |
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| 17:05.48 | nepbabu | nsk, try diff mirror |
| 17:05.57 | nepbabu | nsk, perhaps your local one |
| 17:05.58 | PetoKraus | hello, Ricoh card reader support - driver package - anyone? |
| 17:05.59 | stmaher | Hi there.. does anyone know what the mantis package is under? |
| 17:06.17 | stmaher | apt-cache search mantis + website shows nothing |
| 17:06.38 | nepbabu | nsk, http://www.debian.org/volatile/volatile-mirrors |
| 17:07.33 | nepbabu | stmaher, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mantis&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 17:07.38 | ktwilight | is there a debian equilevant for rpm -Va? |
| 17:07.47 | ks | alien ? |
| 17:07.49 | zinx | what does rpm -Va do? |
| 17:07.54 | nsk | nepbabu: ok thanks, I have tried most including the local, I'll try more though |
| 17:07.57 | ktwilight | apparently it does an integrity check on the installed packages |
| 17:08.04 | stmaher | nepbabu, How come there is no etch package? |
| 17:08.17 | nepbabu | stmaher, probably dropped. |
| 17:08.23 | zinx | there's debsums |
| 17:08.25 | PetoKraus | hello, Ricoh card reader support - driver package - anyone? |
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| 17:08.40 | nepbabu | PetoKraus, what does google(tm) say? |
| 17:08.49 | ktwilight | zinx, hm, but that's only for .deb packages, what i meant was the files that were installed. |
| 17:08.53 | stmaher | nepbabu, Pity.. thanks anyway :-) |
| 17:08.59 | PetoKraus | nepbabu, i tried to search for it, i found none |
| 17:09.00 | zinx | the only files that were installed are from .deb files |
| 17:09.18 | zinx | and they are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 17:09.44 | zinx | ktwilight: debsums does what you want.. if you don't want it, there's probably nothing to do what you want :/ |
| 17:09.49 | nepbabu | stmaher, one time i wanted to play saurbraten so bad. too bad the dd don't agree certain license(s). :( so life moves on. ;) |
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| 17:10.06 | zinx | ktwilight: apparently it uses dpkg's list of installed stuff too.. doesn't need the .deb |
| 17:10.08 | ktwilight | zinx, hm, just checking :) |
| 17:10.37 | nepbabu | stmaher, you can always get the source do it that way. |
| 17:11.00 | stmaher | nepbabu, Yeah I know.. but the apt-get package is far sexier to maintain :-0 |
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| 17:11.12 | nepbabu | :) |
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| 17:11.30 | nepbabu | PetoKraus, what is this ricoh driver for? |
| 17:11.36 | PetoKraus | card reader |
| 17:11.42 | PetoKraus | sd/xd/mmc/*.* |
| 17:11.43 | ktwilight | zinx, yes, debsums does it ;) |
| 17:11.55 | PetoKraus | nepbabu, lspci finds it |
| 17:12.06 | nepbabu | PetoKraus, what does it say for ricoh? |
| 17:12.23 | PetoKraus | sec |
| 17:12.36 | PetoKraus | http://irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/376 |
| 17:12.56 | PetoKraus | when i plug the card in, nothing happens |
| 17:13.03 | PetoKraus | when i do it under vista, it works |
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| 17:13.32 | zinx | PetoKraus: do you have hal and a volume manager loaded? |
| 17:13.46 | PetoKraus | hmm? how do i know? |
| 17:14.01 | PetoKraus | i mean, i've never seen these names before... |
| 17:14.27 | zinx | ps auxwww | egrep 'hal|volume' |
| 17:14.48 | denken | ps auxwww | egrep '(hal|volume)' |
| 17:14.51 | PetoKraus | there is a bunch of findings |
| 17:14.56 | JonkoPa | How do I manually change time in linux? |
| 17:15.02 | jduggan | date |
| 17:15.33 | PetoKraus | http://irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/377 |
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| 17:16.07 | zinx | PetoKraus: are you using KDE or GNOME? |
| 17:16.15 | PetoKraus | E17 under Gnome |
| 17:16.33 | zinx | PetoKraus: aptitude install gnome-volume-manager |
| 17:16.39 | zinx | PetoKraus: you will probably have to start it manually |
| 17:16.43 | zinx | (the first time) |
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| 17:16.50 | zinx | or just log out/in if you don't want to :/ |
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| 17:17.01 | PetoKraus | what does it do? |
| 17:17.13 | PetoKraus | dynamic mounter? or something like that? |
| 17:17.14 | zinx | PetoKraus: it auto-mounts stuff like SD cards. |
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| 17:17.23 | zinx | though that is configurable |
| 17:17.40 | zinx | PetoKraus: also can run programs when cameras/scanners/etc are plugged in |
| 17:17.53 | gonzoman | hi, anyone here with some knowledge about the 'debian custom cd' guide? |
| 17:18.29 | PetoKraus | i dont like the fact that the command removes half of my... |
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| 17:18.47 | zinx | PetoKraus: i'm going to have to depart soon - that reader is supported, so if it still doesn't work, some driver may have somehow not been auto-loaded |
| 17:18.55 | PetoKraus | ok |
| 17:18.56 | gonzoman | I gues this line : find ''' -name ''''.udeb' -a -type f || sort >$TMPFILE |
| 17:18.57 | PetoKraus | thanks |
| 17:19.00 | zinx | PetoKraus: erh, your system's busted if installing gnome-volume-manager removes stuff |
| 17:19.04 | gonzoman | is giving an error |
| 17:19.11 | PetoKraus | :D |
| 17:19.44 | stew | PetoKraus: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:20.18 | gonzoman | find: invalid expression; you have used a binary operator with nothing before it . |
| 17:20.33 | PetoKraus | http://irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/379 |
| 17:20.36 | PetoKraus | it looks nice |
| 17:20.37 | PetoKraus | :D |
| 17:21.07 | zinx | aptitude'd |
| 17:21.15 | zinx | you may want to reinstall some of that :x |
| 17:21.21 | PetoKraus | :D |
| 17:21.21 | zinx | it looks like gnome-volume-manager was already installed o_O |
| 17:21.27 | stew | that all looks normal. and isn't a sign that something is wrong |
| 17:21.39 | PetoKraus | yes, i would like, basically, everything back :) |
| 17:21.45 | zinx | PetoKraus: try starting it manually |
| 17:21.49 | zinx | the command is gnome-volume-manager |
| 17:21.51 | stew | PetoKraus: aptitude install package1 package2 pacakge3... |
| 17:22.04 | PetoKraus | ok, i did it |
| 17:22.15 | PetoKraus | stew, how about apt-getting into it? |
| 17:22.28 | stew | PetoKraus: sure |
| 17:22.36 | PetoKraus | ok ;) |
| 17:22.57 | stew | PetoKraus: that stuff being removed has nothing to do with installing gnome-volume-manager. it was just aptitude removing packages that to it appeared to be orphaned |
| 17:23.16 | PetoKraus | hmm |
| 17:23.21 | stew | PetoKraus: your version of apt-get is not new enough to be smart enough to clean up orphaned packages |
| 17:23.23 | zinx | yeah, unfortunately aptitude only works well if you always use it |
| 17:23.29 | PetoKraus | :D |
| 17:23.32 | PetoKraus | that's it |
| 17:24.47 | nepbabu | PetoKraus, so did hal solve the problem? |
| 17:25.05 | PetoKraus | i would first of all install the packages back |
| 17:25.06 | PetoKraus | :D |
| 17:25.26 | PetoKraus | and i don't have any card to test with right now |
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| 17:25.32 | PetoKraus | but thanks, i'll try it next time |
| 17:26.50 | zinx | iinteresting |
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| 17:27.08 | nepbabu | is that a troll or what ? |
| 17:27.12 | nepbabu | :) |
| 17:27.21 | zinx | PetoKraus: what kind of card is it? |
| 17:27.31 | zinx | PetoKraus: that you were trying? |
| 17:27.45 | PetoKraus | Ricoh card reader in Dell Inspiron |
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| 17:28.18 | zinx | PetoKraus: yeah, but what kind of card? it won't create any block devices without something stuffed in it |
| 17:28.25 | PetoKraus | i know |
| 17:28.27 | PetoKraus | it was xD card |
| 17:28.33 | zinx | ah |
| 17:28.58 | nepbabu | PetoKraus, try modprobe sdhci; modprobe mmc_core; |
| 17:29.13 | zinx | not sure xD is supported, actually |
| 17:29.13 | PetoKraus | ok |
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| 17:29.42 | PetoKraus | modprobed successfully |
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| 17:30.09 | nepbabu | PetoKraus, ok. now do "dmesg" and see if your card is listed as [s/h]d[a/b/c] ? |
| 17:30.20 | mindframe- | how can i configure apt to use a socks5 proxy? |
| 17:30.34 | seth1248 | Why do I keep getting: NTP support is not installed - when I try to activate Syncronize clock with internet servers even (even though the package ntp is installed on my system)? |
| 17:31.01 | PetoKraus | nepbabu, i don't have any memory card to test with right now |
| 17:31.36 | nepbabu | ok test it later. |
| 17:31.58 | nepbabu | mindframe-, afaik you can't use socks proxy with apt. only http proxy |
| 17:32.01 | nepbabu | i could be wrong |
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| 17:32.51 | mindframe- | ah that's what i figured |
| 17:32.52 | mindframe- | darn |
| 17:33.29 | nepbabu | mindframe-, why would you need to socksify apt? |
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| 17:34.45 | SamuraiDio | how can i set MPD to not start as root on boot? |
| 17:35.05 | mindframe- | nepbabu, on foreign networks and i dont want to use their proxy |
| 17:35.15 | mindframe- | vpn'd to work, want to use my proxy |
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| 17:35.29 | nepbabu | ahhhh cool |
| 17:35.33 | mindframe- | i just started up squid |
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| 17:36.00 | nepbabu | SamuraiDio, what is mpd? |
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| 17:36.22 | SamuraiDio | music player daemon |
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| 17:38.35 | epsilon | SamuraiDio: if it's started by /etc/init.d/<daemon>, just unlink with update-rc.d |
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| 17:38.56 | bonez31 | I am having trouble with cups...on debian sarge.....anyone know of a good tutorial on setting up printing on debian with cups ? |
| 17:38.58 | epsilon | read the manual and you'll understand what I mean |
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| 17:39.25 | epsilon | bonez31: google? |
| 17:39.45 | nepbabu | epsilon, that's probably not what he wants to do though ;) |
| 17:39.55 | epsilon | beside that, CUPS has own webinterface with click-together-all-printers |
| 17:40.47 | SamuraiDio | epsilon, whats that? |
| 17:41.08 | epsilon | he said 'on boot' - how the hell do I know as which user the daemon is running as |
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| 17:42.00 | nepbabu | on boot mpd == non-root. |
| 17:42.22 | nepbabu | epsilon, update-rc.d has options to remove during boot. :) |
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| 17:44.50 | jelly-home | nepbabu: isn't there a wrapper called "socksify" that does just that? |
| 17:45.13 | nepbabu | jelly-home, oh didn't know that. :-/ |
| 17:45.17 | jelly-home | !find bin/socksify etch |
| 17:45.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/socksify' (1): (/usr/bin/socksify) in net/dante-client. |
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| 17:45.34 | ks | is 3.1 too old ? |
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| 17:45.47 | Golumn | I have recently install debian etch on a box, where can I find some source to add into the source.list |
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| 17:46.08 | aventis | hello |
| 17:46.44 | jelly-home | mindframe-: if you don't get far with squid, try using the LD_PRELOAD wrapper "socksify apt-get ..." from dante-client package |
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| 17:46.51 | aventis | im looking for GYache 1.1.0 debian etch package, is it available? |
| 17:46.59 | wAndyw78 | !dpkg sources.list |
| 17:47.35 | nepbabu | aventis, hi |
| 17:48.02 | jelly-home | mindframe-: [socksify] configuration is in /etc/dante.conf |
| 17:48.09 | wAndyw78 | Golumn: why do you think, you have to add lines to your sources.list ? |
| 17:48.17 | aventis | nepbabu:hello |
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| 17:48.41 | Golumn | I only have the dvd ub ut |
| 17:48.51 | Golumn | on it |
| 17:49.05 | nepbabu | jelly-home, hey man, how would one make a program run as non-root during bootup? |
| 17:49.12 | bonez31 | epsilon: yes, googled way before checking here..but will google it again |
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| 17:49.36 | jelly-home | nepbabu: create an init script and use su or start-stop-daemon in it |
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| 17:49.54 | nepbabu | jelly-home, so that's a bit of work of my own right? |
| 17:50.02 | jelly-home | nepbabu: right |
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| 17:50.18 | nepbabu | jelly-home, i was thinking a tool existed for that. |
| 17:50.20 | stew | nepbabu: does the program start now as root? |
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| 17:50.53 | wAndyw78 | !sources.list |
| 17:50.53 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:51.09 | nepbabu | stew, not without creating an init script and have "su" in start) bit |
| 17:51.22 | nepbabu | then update-rc.d |
| 17:51.23 | wAndyw78 | Golumn: okay? |
| 17:51.38 | stew | nepbabu: is your init script using start-stop-daemon? |
| 17:52.03 | nepbabu | stew, i am not sure i understand start-stop-daemon properly |
| 17:52.26 | Golumn | thanks |
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| 17:53.08 | windyh | network-manager disappeared from my menu - how can I start it from terminal? |
| 17:53.10 | jelly-home | nepbabu: there's a skeleton init script in /etc/init.d/skeleton, you can use it as a template for your own |
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| 17:53.35 | wAndyw78 | windyh: nm-applet |
| 17:53.37 | nepbabu | jelly-home, i found it. just as you said. thanks. :) but i just wanted to know. someon else asked the question |
| 17:53.41 | windyh | thanks |
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| 17:53.55 | nepbabu | jelly-home, i was thinking something along the same line as you said, creating init.d script :) |
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| 17:54.57 | jelly-home | nepbabu: a quicker and dirtier way to do it could be to put something like su user -c 'your-daemon --whatever' in /etc/init.d/rc.local |
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| 17:55.23 | jelly-home | nepbabu: sorry, /etc/rc.local |
| 17:55.31 | nepbabu | jelly, right |
| 17:55.33 | wAndyw78 | windyh: there is a option --disable-sm (or something like this) which should be used, if problems occour |
| 17:55.49 | windyh | wAndyw78: that just gives me a panel icon that says I'm not connected - how do I start the setup utility? |
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| 17:56.23 | wAndyw78 | windyh: a setup utility ? |
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| 17:56.57 | wAndyw78 | windyh: did you disabled all line except lo in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 17:57.11 | windyh | wAndyw78: I want to be able to make choices like static vs. dhcp, netmask, etch |
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| 17:57.32 | windyh | I just had to use ifconfig to get online |
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| 17:58.39 | wAndyw78 | windyh: didn't use network-manager-gnome for a long time, but i think, there was a option in teh drop down menu, where you can manually add entrys and configure them static, dhcp.... |
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| 17:58.58 | nepbabu | jelly-home, in rc.local # By default this script does nothing. it wouldn't execute even if i put su -c "daemon" there ? |
| 17:59.06 | windyh | yeah, it's listed under system, networking, but it disappeared from my menu |
| 17:59.23 | nepbabu | su user -c "daemon" sorry |
| 17:59.43 | nepbabu | that's the default setup of rc.local btw |
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| 18:00.35 | nepbabu | meh heheh... it says in big letters "By **default**" hah.. all good |
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| 18:02.30 | markit | hi, any info about when kernel 2.6.23 will be in Sid? |
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| 18:04.16 | jelly-home | nepbabu: it executes all right, that literally means it doesn't do anything in its default form. |
| 18:04.57 | nepbabu | jelly-home, yup. thanks man. |
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| 18:07.58 | nepbabu | abc's got interview with hans reiser |
| 18:08.15 | nepbabu | interesting piece |
| 18:08.17 | nepbabu | :) |
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| 18:10.23 | jelly-home | url. |
| 18:11.12 | jelly-home | (not that it's topical, but it's just impolite to mention juicy gossip and then let the other side search for it themselves) |
| 18:11.17 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 18:11.27 | nepbabu | jelly-home, eh :) |
| 18:11.31 | nepbabu | jelly-home, here http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3807336&page=1 |
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| 18:12.00 | jelly-home | I asked for the sake of community, of course :-) |
| 18:12.22 | nepbabu | jelly-home, sure |
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| 18:17.56 | qrck | /bin/sh: /exec: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
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| 18:18.49 | sorl- | anyone have modern disk layout recommendations? |
| 18:18.58 | sorl- | for a webserver |
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| 18:19.14 | qrck | /bin/sh: /msghello: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
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| 18:19.25 | azeem | qrck: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:19.35 | azeem | qrck: /msg is an irc command, not a shell command |
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| 18:20.21 | qrck | i just tried to put a quit_message with shell evaluation... |
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| 18:21.31 | jelly-home | !penixstrike qrck |
| 18:21.31 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking qrck to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:21.39 | qrck | /bin/sh: You: command not found |
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| 18:21.46 | azeem | qrck: please do that elsewhere |
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| 18:21.52 | jelly-home | #test exists for a reason |
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| 18:22.17 | qrck | i didn't know you'll notice that there.... |
| 18:22.24 | qrck | sorry |
| 18:22.26 | azeem | 19:18 < qrck> /bin/sh: You: command not found |
| 18:22.47 | SexyKen | Anyone use tape drives before? |
| 18:22.56 | jelly-home | SexyKen: before what? |
| 18:23.12 | SexyKen | Before today- douche. |
| 18:23.37 | jelly-home | no, they've only announced the first tape drive this morn. |
| 18:23.50 | SexyKen | earlier: earlier in time; previously; "I had known her before"; "as I said before"; "he called me the day before but your call had come even ... |
| 18:23.56 | jelly-home | sounds promising. |
| 18:24.07 | SexyKen | Hey Jelly - you my friend, are lonely. |
| 18:24.40 | jelly-home | that's true but not topical. Just ask the question. |
| 18:25.00 | dkr | so ronery |
| 18:25.28 | dkr | !anyone > SexyKen |
| 18:25.35 | nepbabu | SexyKen, are you a guy/girl? |
| 18:25.37 | nepbabu | ^_^ |
| 18:25.41 | dkr | nepbabu: grow up |
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| 18:25.59 | nepbabu | i grew up tomorrow |
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| 18:26.08 | jelly-home | dkr, !tell nickname about something |
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| 18:26.21 | dkr | !anyone > dkr |
| 18:26.34 | savetheWorld | does anyone know if DNSmasq can be installed and used (for local DNS caching) on a system which has a static IP without causing problems? |
| 18:26.36 | dkr | darn, I always confuse my LAMP bots features |
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| 18:27.29 | jelly-home | dkr: that > always looked illogical to me, I'd think of people as processes, not as files or devices |
| 18:27.47 | mrjive | hi *, is there a command to unpin a package previously pinned via apt-listbugs? |
| 18:27.55 | dkr | savetheWorld: I don't see why not |
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| 18:28.12 | SexyKen | Women are Hot Swap Drive Bays, and I'm a hot swap drive. |
| 18:28.13 | mrjive | cannota find anything in the documentation |
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| 18:28.26 | sinizzl | hi there |
| 18:28.35 | qrck | anyone seen my quit message ? |
| 18:28.35 | savetheWorld | dkr: So in "who wants to be a Millionare" parlance that like an 80% sure? :-) |
| 18:28.36 | dkr | savetheWorld: you could put the MAC in dhcpd.conf with the static ip to make the static ip assigned the same way as the rest |
| 18:28.36 | sinizzl | how can i restore a package's original config files? |
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| 18:28.59 | itchi | Hi, which 'ps' viewer do you recomend? Somethings like in the spirit of xpdf: little, nice and does what it may |
| 18:29.02 | troubled | !confmiss |
| 18:29.02 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:29.13 | hakan_ | how do I check the integrity of an installed package? |
| 18:29.18 | hakan_ | itchi, try gv |
| 18:29.19 | savetheWorld | dkr: I dont do any DHCP internally. i only want dnsmasq forthe caching |
| 18:29.23 | jelly-home | mrjive: /msg dpkg pinning and read the linked page, or if you feel lucky, just delete the relevant paragraph from /etc/apt/preferences |
| 18:29.23 | troubled | hakan_: debsums? |
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| 18:29.54 | itchi | hakan_: Thanks |
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| 18:30.14 | mrjive | i know a can delete from preferences file, but i'm looking for a command |
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| 18:30.37 | mrjive | jelly-home i'm trying to write a simple script for that |
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| 18:30.46 | hakan_ | troubled, thanks! |
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| 18:31.05 | mrjive | jelly-home but i'm still finding the best method |
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| 18:31.20 | mrjive | s/finding/searching for/ |
| 18:31.21 | jelly-home | mrjive: no command that I know of, sorry |
| 18:31.37 | troubled | hakan_: they arent always generated automatically though. you need to requently run debsums_gen to do that (or debsums with the gen option) |
| 18:31.46 | mrjive | jelly-home mmm that's a pity :) |
| 18:31.50 | troubled | s/^/np/ :) |
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| 18:32.14 | hakan_ | troubled, good to know |
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| 18:32.53 | smacnay | anyone using "testing" have issues with installing gmpc plugins? |
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| 18:33.01 | troubled | hakan_: also go to know, i wouldnt rely on it for any sort of real security. but its handy to see if someone was accidently altered or similar :) |
| 18:33.15 | troubled | s/someone/something/ |
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| 18:34.05 | hakan_ | troubled, I just want to find out which package I killed. Somehow my X does not want to start anymore and I think I deleted some files by accident |
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| 18:34.58 | sinizzl | the confmiss option doesn't recover missing config files. how do i reinstall them? |
| 18:35.00 | troubled | hakan_: whats the error? |
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| 18:35.22 | sinizzl | it's says that at the end of the apt-get line: grep: /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 18:35.50 | troubled | sinizzl: "whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone" |
| 18:36.09 | sinizzl | troubled: they are gone. so how do i recover them? |
| 18:36.10 | jelly-home | sinizzl: can you paste the exact command you're running? Does the directory /etc/dovecot exist? |
| 18:36.10 | sinizzl | ^^ |
| 18:36.13 | hakan_ | troubled, blank screen (black) without being able to switch to text console anymore |
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| 18:36.20 | troubled | oh, my favorite part: "dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpise, and that you want them to stay deleted." |
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| 18:36.33 | sinizzl | jelly-home: no it does not. i created that directory myself and it poured out teh same error message |
| 18:36.36 | hakan_ | troubled, now I tried Xorg -configure, which crashes |
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| 18:36.51 | jelly-home | sinizzl: oh well. purge and reinstall, then |
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| 18:36.58 | sinizzl | jelly-home: how do i do that? |
| 18:37.00 | thelostbutler | is there a #debian-legal or something like that ? |
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| 18:37.08 | sinizzl | sorry for being such a noob.... but yeah.... there i go |
| 18:37.11 | nepbabu | hakan_, what about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:37.27 | noocx | hi |
| 18:37.28 | jelly-home | sinizzl: aptitude purge packagename and aptitude install ... |
| 18:37.30 | hufff | anybody who can tell me how i can remove pending apt-get installs ? something went wrong and i dont want to use -f install ;( |
| 18:37.37 | troubled | hakan_: hmm, not a big X person, but I had issues like that with my ATI and the framebuffer driver. wouldnt lock up, but you could tell it was running, just blank screen. I could still technically c-a-d the machine and it would reboot after a few moments too |
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| 18:37.44 | hakan_ | nepbabu, haven't tried that yet |
| 18:38.08 | sinizzl | thx jelly-home |
| 18:38.11 | nepbabu | hakan_, as root |
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| 18:39.12 | stew | sinizzl: which package did you reinstall with confmiss? |
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| 18:40.27 | hakan_ | nepbabu, heh :) trying dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and the monitor autodetection left a blank screen now |
| 18:40.44 | jelly-home | sinizzl: if it's dovecot, the package with the config files will probably be dovecot-common and that's what you needed to use for the confmiss procedure |
| 18:40.45 | noocx | xserver-xorg is buggy in sid now |
| 18:41.00 | nepbabu | hakan_, what does it mean it left blank screen? |
| 18:41.00 | hufff | anybody knows what files to remove to make apt-get work again without using -f install ? |
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| 18:41.20 | windyh | could someone do me a favor and go into their menu, find Networking, and tell me the executable associated with that entry? |
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| 18:41.59 | noocx | could you tell me when xorg 7.3+4 will be available? |
| 18:42.07 | hakan_ | nepbabu, blank screen. I mean a black screen. And I cannot switch to text console anymore. CTRL-ALT backspace doesn't help either |
| 18:42.46 | nepbabu | hakan_, try alternate tty, CTRL-ALT-F[1/2/3/...] |
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| 18:43.34 | hakan_ | nepbabu, that's how I try to switch to the text console(s) |
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| 18:44.20 | nepbabu | hakan_, ctrl-alt-backspace won't work if you aren't running any window session |
| 18:44.37 | FastPutty | soeone help me why i cannot use cat /root/debug > mail networkadmin@xxxx.com ???? |
| 18:44.43 | nepbabu | hakan_, gnome/kde etc.. |
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| 18:44.50 | FastPutty | it used to work before |
| 18:45.01 | hakan_ | nepbabu, ctrl-alt backspace kills X |
| 18:45.02 | troubled | hakan_: ctrl-alt-f1 is the standard way to switch btw |
| 18:45.15 | hufff | please anybody knows what files to remove to make apt-get work again without using -f install ? |
| 18:45.16 | hakan_ | and ctrl-alt-f1 does not work either :) |
| 18:45.27 | troubled | hakan_: c-a-backspc depends on if your have it enabled ot not |
| 18:45.33 | dkr | windyh: network-admin ( if I understood your peculiar question correctly) |
| 18:45.33 | nepbabu | hakan_, it won't work if X isn't running. :) |
| 18:45.37 | hakan_ | troubled, I wouldn't ask for help here if I had a trivial problem |
| 18:45.51 | jelly-home | hufff: why do you not want to apt-get -f install? |
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| 18:46.07 | troubled | hakan_: well, we dont know your level of skill ;) curious, does ctl-alt-del reboot the machine after a few seconds? |
| 18:46.15 | hakan_ | I am pretty sure that I deleted a file by mistake. But I cannot find which one |
| 18:46.18 | hufff | jelly: i tried to install a local .deb file, and that wants to remove packages that i want to keep |
| 18:46.24 | rahul | how troubling |
| 18:46.25 | hakan_ | troubled, reboot works |
| 18:46.27 | dkr | hufff: apt-get clean, perhaps ? |
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| 18:46.33 | windyh | dkr: thanks, I guess I need to install that |
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| 18:46.51 | jelly-home | hufff: what happens when you apt-get remove local-package? |
| 18:47.10 | dkr | windyh: it's in thepackage called gnome-system-tools |
| 18:47.19 | windyh | ah, thanks |
| 18:47.20 | troubled | hakan_: you might want to temporarily boot into single mode and temp disable X from starting at least until you get it figured out |
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| 18:47.52 | hufff | apt-get clean doesnt work, and apt-get remove <package> gives back unmet dependencies errors |
| 18:47.57 | troubled | hakan_: also, if you deleted a file, have you looked at your bash history throughly to see what one you might have deleted? |
| 18:48.01 | windyh | weird that it disappeared itself |
| 18:48.08 | hakan_ | troubled, I am in single mode and trying to figure what I killed :) |
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| 18:48.18 | dkr | hufff: try using aptitude, it's slightly better at resolving broken dependencies |
| 18:48.27 | hakan_ | troubled, next thing is .bash_history, thanks! |
| 18:48.29 | troubled | hakan_: try: history | less |
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| 18:48.42 | hufff | dkr: that gives an error that it cant lock the cache file, and no changes will be made |
| 18:48.50 | troubled | then "/rm" to search perhaps |
| 18:48.50 | jelly-home | hufff: I'd remove (or purge) it with dpkg, then see if apt-get -f install still wants to remove those |
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| 18:49.05 | FastPutty | someone could tell me why $cat /var/log/syslog > mail test@test.com do not work? |
| 18:49.06 | dkr | hufff: you can't run multiple package management programs at the same time |
| 18:49.07 | jelly-home | hufff: packages you want |
| 18:49.09 | nepbabu | troubled, hakan_ history | grep rm :) |
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| 18:49.23 | troubled | nepbabu: or that ;) |
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| 18:49.38 | hakan_ | nepbabu, ^R rm |
| 18:49.39 | simonrvn | bah, fucking bell |
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| 18:49.46 | troubled | even better heh |
| 18:49.49 | FFdsd | hello who mount NTSF for read and write ? |
| 18:49.52 | hufff | jelly: purging doesnt work either ;( |
| 18:49.56 | troubled | simonrvn: *beep* |
| 18:50.06 | hufff | no way to delete the cache file that has the changes in it that apt-get wants to do ? |
| 18:50.07 | nepbabu | troubled, hakan_ i think he delete from his session. |
| 18:50.09 | troubled | simonrvn: ctrl-a,ctrl-g ;p |
| 18:50.14 | dkr | FFdsd: use ntfs-3g fs type, instead of just ntfs |
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| 18:50.18 | FFdsd | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 18:50.18 | FFdsd | fuse_mount failed. |
| 18:50.23 | jelly-home | hufff: it would be nicer if you shown the actual command run and the message it gave |
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| 18:50.37 | saskia_ | hallo |
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| 18:50.43 | hufff | jelly, can i pm you? too much txt to paste here |
| 18:50.49 | saskia_ | j |
| 18:50.52 | stew | hufff: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:50.54 | jelly-home | hufff: use a pastebin |
| 18:51.00 | FFdsd | dkr: ntfsmount /dev/sda5 /mnt/D -o rw |
| 18:51.01 | keith4_ | is there some trick to using cpan on etch? |
| 18:51.02 | FFdsd | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 18:51.11 | nepbabu | hakan_, did your reverse history reveal something? |
| 18:51.12 | hakan_ | troubled, ok got it. I did rm -rf /usr/src/modules/fglrx |
| 18:51.14 | keith4_ | i keep getting "make had returned bad status, install seems impossible" |
| 18:51.20 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:51.42 | troubled | hakan_: :) |
| 18:51.47 | jelly-home | FFdsd: is the fuse kernel module loaded? |
| 18:52.07 | FFdsd | how look ? |
| 18:52.09 | dkr | FFdsd: aptitude install ntfs-3g |
| 18:52.18 | jelly-home | FFdsd: lsmod |grep fuse |
| 18:52.37 | labanux | anyone know why did i always get this error message everytime i tried to install ttf-opensymbol? "/usr/share/fonts: failed to write cache" |
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| 18:53.01 | jelly-home | FFdsd: also, listen to what dkr says. ntfsmount won't give you write support, you need ntfs-3g instead |
| 18:53.21 | hufff | http://paste.lisp.org/display/50327 this is the error that keeps coming back, both with apt-get -f install, and dpkg --configure |
| 18:53.22 | hakan_ | troubled, but that's not the problem as module-assistant rebuilds the files there |
| 18:54.08 | FFdsd | ntfs-3g not in standarte release ( |
| 18:54.10 | jelly-home | hufff: what about that removing of the package with dpkg? |
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| 18:55.00 | hufff | jelly: http://paste.lisp.org/display/50328 |
| 18:55.33 | hakan_ | troubled, Xorg -configure gives me a stack trace with signal 11 |
| 18:55.38 | stew | hufff: so the problem is that you tried to install libssl from testing/unstable but you are runnning testing. i'd recommend fixing it by installing libssl from stable with "aptitude install libssl0.9.8=0.9.8c-4etch1" |
| 18:55.46 | dkr | FFdsd: I guess it is in non-free, since I have ntfs-3g on my etch system which just has: main contrib non-free |
| 18:56.00 | jelly-home | hufff: seems like you have been trying to install a package from testing or unstable onto stable. That's a very bad thing to do. |
| 18:56.09 | stew | dkr: ntfs-3g is not in etch |
| 18:56.29 | FordCortina | when i do "aptitude search sun" i don't see "sun-java6-jdk" but it's clearly on backports http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-jdk . I've got backports in sources.list with main contrib and non-free . I've also run aptitude update. Any idea what I'm missing? |
| 18:56.38 | dkr | oooooh, that was the one that was in etch , but removed alter? I guess I installed before the removal |
| 18:56.42 | dkr | later |
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| 18:56.58 | dqs | hi all, how can I make a dummy nic in debian ? |
| 18:57.05 | stew | dkr: it was removed a few months before etch was released |
| 18:57.16 | dkr | stew: so, "yes", :) |
| 18:57.32 | intr80_ | dqs: ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.9 |
| 18:58.02 | hufff | jelly: i know, stupid move, thank god you guys can kick me back in the right direction.. |
| 18:58.26 | dqs | intr80_ : so I just add another entry in /etc/network/interfaces as if it was a physical card ? |
| 18:58.38 | hufff | stew, jelly.. the aptitude fix worked =] thanks a lot !! |
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| 18:58.56 | noocx | anyone knows a patch for xserver-xorg 7.3+3's postinst script? |
| 18:58.57 | hufff | if i was vietnamese i would love you long time |
| 18:58.59 | jelly-home | hufff: you might want to remove testing/unstable from sources.list. |
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| 18:59.16 | hufff | will do |
| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | hufff: you can look at backports.org for the newer versions of _some_ packages that work with stable |
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| 18:59.43 | stew | hufff: in the future you should not be isntalling packages compiled for another release onto stable. use a backport if you must: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:00.04 | stew | noocx: if we did, it would be in the bts |
| 19:00.13 | dkr | stew: is there a mechanism in place to tell people about removals like that via package management? hrm, maybe. ahh, found it, in aptitude ntfs-3g shows up in the "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" section |
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| 19:00.22 | noocx | stew: ok thx |
| 19:00.27 | nepbabu | hakan_, did you try removing fglrx and then X -configure? |
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| 19:00.53 | hakan_ | nepbabu, not yet |
| 19:00.58 | stew | dkr: there is http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename ; but i lied. it was never in etch |
| 19:00.59 | hufff | jelly: will look there, all i need is openssl >= 0.9.8f |
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| 19:01.07 | jelly-home | hufff: why? |
| 19:02.16 | hufff | jelly: all versions before 0.9.8f have a security hole in it that can be used for remote code execution |
| 19:02.16 | jelly-home | hufff: (I mean, why do you need it? Debian takes care of security problems. You'd only have to need it if a feature wasn't available in 0.9.8c) |
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| 19:02.52 | stew | actually i lied again: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/ntfs-3g/news/20061115T233910Z.html |
| 19:02.55 | dkr | stew: I'm pretty sure it was. I only installed etch on my home machine last year, the only non-standard repo is debian-multimedia |
| 19:03.11 | FordCortina | ah i worked out my problem |
| 19:03.18 | FordCortina | only i386 is on backports |
| 19:03.21 | FordCortina | not x64 |
| 19:03.26 | dalias | hufff, what? |
| 19:03.29 | jelly-home | hufff: that's what fixes in security.debian.org are for. Check the changelog in that package for your hole. |
| 19:03.40 | FordCortina | in fact the x64 jre package seems screwed up |
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| 19:03.45 | dalias | are you unaware that debian fixes vulns _without_ forced upgrades to new versions? |
| 19:04.10 | dkr | hufff: when debian applies a security patch, often they do not bump the version number of the software |
| 19:04.17 | paul`_` | hello, on debian etch, it seems that cron entries in /etc/cron.d are not run. If I put the same content in crontab, it works. Perms are ok. Any hint please ? |
| 19:04.18 | dalias | this is what makes debian excel beyond all the other crap out there |
| 19:04.34 | hufff | dalias, i didnt know that.. almost screwed up my server lol.. |
| 19:04.45 | stew | paul`_`: what is the name of the file that isn't being run in /etc/cron.d ? |
| 19:04.45 | hufff | but this i wont forget anymore.. stupid /me |
| 19:05.07 | paul`_` | stew, hello, the file name is 'runPortal' |
| 19:05.13 | dalias | with other systems you have to upgrade to latest version and possibly suffer new bugs and incompatibilities |
| 19:05.14 | stew | paul`_`: is it chmod +x ? |
| 19:05.40 | dalias | but debian applies the patches to the current version in stable and just releases a patched package |
| 19:05.57 | stew | usually |
| 19:05.59 | paul`_` | stew, no is it not, but used to be IIRC. should it be ? |
| 19:06.11 | hufff | dalias: very good to know, you are now also on my i-love-you list =] |
| 19:06.13 | dkr | hufff: you can look at the changelog to see what vulnerabilities were patched. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.8c-4etch1/changelog |
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| 19:06.28 | stew | paul`_`: actually, no it doesn't, i'm gettting confused with cron.hourly, nevermind me |
| 19:06.29 | dkr | you can see several patches were made to the 0.9.8c version |
| 19:06.40 | hufff | dkr: thanks! |
| 19:06.42 | capiira | hmm my wlan just stoped working and i don't know why! :/ it shows the access points but can't joint the network |
| 19:06.46 | paul`_` | stew, no problem, thanks |
| 19:07.14 | hufff | im off again, thanks for your help guys ! |
| 19:07.23 | savetheWorld | capiira: what does ifconfig show for the wlan interface? |
| 19:07.25 | stew | paul`_`: note that entries in cron.d need an extra field to specify the user to run as |
| 19:07.52 | hakan_ | nepbabu, I removed fglrx and installed the vesa driver. Now Xorg -configure does not crash anymore |
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| 19:08.13 | stew | paul`_`: can you show us the contents of 'runPortal'? |
| 19:08.16 | capiira | savetheWorld, its there full and healthy |
| 19:08.22 | nepbabu | hakan_, cool |
| 19:08.25 | nepbabu | :) |
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| 19:08.49 | hakan_ | nepbabu, now I just have to get fglrx back ... |
| 19:08.57 | savetheWorld | capiira: can you ping anything out thru that interface? |
| 19:08.59 | capiira | interfaces do not work and network manager also dont work |
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| 19:09.15 | wAndyw78 | how can i convert a pdf into an png per page? |
| 19:09.16 | savetheWorld | capiira: wll, can you restart the network services? |
| 19:09.18 | nepbabu | ok hakan_ |
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| 19:09.22 | paul`_` | stew, for sure : */10 * * * * www-data cd /opt/scripts/rubyPortal && ./rubyPortal.rb |
| 19:09.25 | capiira | nah i can't ping without being connected to the accesspoint |
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| 19:09.49 | savetheWorld | capiira: um, is it plugged in? |
| 19:09.51 | windyh | wAndyw78: you can open a pdf with gimp |
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| 19:10.06 | wAndyw78 | windyh: okay, thank you |
| 19:10.10 | stew | paul`_`: are you sure its not getting run? can you change it to something like "touch /tmp/kilroy && cd /opt/scripts/rubyPortal && ./rubyPortal.rb" and see if /tmp/kilroy appears within 10 minutes? |
| 19:10.12 | capiira | yeah was working all the time |
| 19:10.22 | paul`_` | yes I'm sure stew |
| 19:10.36 | stew | paul`_`: i'm wondering if your ./rubyPortal.rb file is depending on something being present in the environment |
| 19:10.39 | windyh | wAndyw78: be careful - it'll open a file for every page |
| 19:10.43 | capiira | i get Nov 5 12:08:58 xstation dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers |
| 19:11.07 | paul`_` | stew, no it is not. the exact same line past in crontab is properly run |
| 19:11.51 | paul`_` | stew: that's why I think I did something wrong specificly with cron.d/ |
| 19:11.56 | capiira | maybe wpasupplicant is broken |
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| 19:13.12 | capiira | i also get Nov 5 12:05:28 xstation dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/ath0 for sub-path ath0.dbus.get.reason |
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| 19:13.23 | capiira | madwidi drivers |
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| 19:14.40 | stew | paul`_`: the only way in that they would differ is the environment |
| 19:16.02 | stew | paul`_`: for instance, if you rubyPortal.rb file was depending on the PATH variable being set, i'd expect it to fail in cron.d |
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| 19:16.33 | stew | paul`_`: so actually, try "/usr/bin/touch /tmp/kilroy" in the cron.d file and see if it appears |
| 19:17.01 | paul`_` | stew: ok let's try |
| 19:17.02 | mutante | how did i get from seeing an open listening socket in the output of netstats to the corresponding pid/uid that opened it |
| 19:17.07 | capiira | brb |
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| 19:19.20 | mutante | ah, -ap nevermind |
| 19:19.31 | xoz | laser_tk_: mutante |
| 19:19.38 | xoz | oops |
| 19:20.10 | mutante | uhm,wait, but there is nothing listed in the PID column that appears with -p to netstats |
| 19:20.15 | irix | Hi all, I want to know how much bandwidth is requiered for a 50GB debian mirror? (a released architecture and an unreleased architecture) |
| 19:20.30 | xoz | mutante: -plunt? |
| 19:20.48 | stew | irix: ask #debian-mirrors on irc.debian.org |
| 19:20.58 | irix | stew: thanks |
| 19:21.26 | mutante | xoz: got it, wrong shell, wasnt root :p |
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| 19:23.05 | HNS | !dpkg xrandr |
| 19:23.17 | HNS | !info xrandr |
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| 19:25.11 | xnor | Maybe a weird question but is there any way of preventing a "useful" system memorydump? Like crypt the memory? |
| 19:25.52 | paul`_` | stew: no nothing is touched |
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| 19:26.40 | xoz | paul`_`: tried chmod +x? |
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| 19:26.59 | stew | they don't need +x |
| 19:26.59 | savetheWorld | xnor This is a question that the security researchers have examined |
| 19:27.29 | xoz | ah |
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| 19:28.26 | HardDisk_WP | how do I have wget download every .run file in the hierarchy under http://mirrors.ecology.uni-kiel.de/games/liflg/ ? |
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| 19:28.28 | stew | paul`_`: is cron running? |
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| 19:28.41 | HardDisk_WP | or better, mirror the whole liflg/ structure? |
| 19:29.20 | HNS | If i changed my xorg.conf, after i backed it up, (how) can I load the changes? |
| 19:29.32 | HNS | have |
| 19:29.52 | ma3x | what will happen if I add clock=pit to the boot options? |
| 19:29.53 | paul`_` | stew: it is yes, everything in cron.{hourly,daily,monthly} and in crontab is run on time. |
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| 19:30.00 | rtmex | Hi all, how can I list the services status on Debian? I know in Fedora is with /sbin/service --status-all |
| 19:30.06 | steven_elvisda | how can i decompress *.zip in debian? |
| 19:30.30 | L0cKn | Install the zip tool |
| 19:30.32 | L0cKn | :-S |
| 19:30.37 | dkr | steven_elvisda: echo *.zip| xargs unzip |
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| 19:30.51 | dkr | oh, I thought the issue was unzipping more than one at a time. :) |
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| 19:31.15 | eri-- | guys can anybody tell me a guide on how to shape ipsec tunnels? |
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| 19:31.31 | dkr | eri--: lartc.org has some good traffic shaping info |
| 19:32.05 | eri-- | i didn't find for ipsec |
| 19:32.10 | eri-- | or i don't know how to find one |
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| 19:32.18 | steven_elvisda | ermm |
| 19:32.34 | rtmex | Hi all, how can I list the services status on Debian? I know in Fedora is with /sbin/service --status-all |
| 19:33.03 | steven_elvisda | dkr: what is that? |
| 19:33.15 | SexyKen | When using pdkg to install a .deb -- is there a way to tell it to install dependencies as well |
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| 19:33.32 | dkr | steven_elvisda: if you didn't know what "unzip" was, ignore my answer |
| 19:33.56 | stew | steven_elvisda: unzip \*.zip |
| 19:33.56 | eri-- | dkr any pointer? |
| 19:34.13 | dkr | eri--: that was a URL |
| 19:34.13 | stew | steven_elvisda: oh |
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| 19:34.16 | stew | steven_elvisda: you mean just "how do i decompress a .zip file"? |
| 19:34.25 | dkr | eri--: http://lartc.org |
| 19:34.26 | stew | steven_elvisda: unzip /path/to/some.zip |
| 19:34.31 | soup_ | how can I tell what plugins totem has? |
| 19:34.40 | steven_elvisda | unzip |
| 19:34.40 | steven_elvisda | -sh: unzip: command not found |
| 19:34.46 | SexyKen | Anyone know ? |
| 19:34.47 | steven_elvisda | i think i don have packet unzip |
| 19:34.48 | Eulex | !installit |
| 19:34.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 19:34.55 | stew | steven_elvisda: install it |
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| 19:35.25 | stew | !installit is also aptitude |
| 19:35.26 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 19:35.57 | dqs | hi I created a dummy interface in dom0 and want to use this to connect to my domU's. I've done "(network-script network-bridge netdev=dummy0)" and when I check the bridge with brctl show, I can see that xenbr0 is associated with vif0.0,peth0,dummy0,vif5.0 But I can't ping my domU(5) which is in the same ip range,... |
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| 19:38.55 | Goundy | hi all |
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| 19:39.02 | Goundy | does the broadcom 4318 works on debian ? |
| 19:39.08 | Meglo | Nope. |
| 19:39.30 | Goundy | :/ |
| 19:39.34 | capiira | ndiswrapper? |
| 19:39.35 | Goundy | same as ubuntu ! |
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| 19:39.53 | Goundy | I tried ndiswrapper on ubuntu but .... nothing! no scan results >< |
| 19:40.00 | capiira | :/ |
| 19:40.13 | capiira | just sold my bc4318 |
| 19:40.22 | Goundy | erg |
| 19:40.30 | capiira | and now my madwifi stoped working |
| 19:40.36 | Goundy | :< |
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| 19:40.42 | Goundy | need pcmcia > atheros powered |
| 19:40.44 | Goundy | :/ |
| 19:41.05 | capiira | mini pci here |
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| 19:41.21 | Goundy | I see |
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| 19:41.51 | Goundy | ****** EOMs, they should make some efforts for us :/ |
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| 19:45.03 | steven_elvisda | nice thanks dkr and stew |
| 19:45.09 | steven_elvisda | i success now |
| 19:45.22 | codazoda | Under debian my motif apps, like nedit, are "ugly". Can anyone tell me how to change the styles of motif apps? I think there are various types, like "win95", etc? |
| 19:45.42 | codazoda | Or point me at a good resource? |
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| 19:46.05 | soup_ | !totem |
| 19:46.05 | dpkg | well, totem is a gnome movie player that can use either libxine or gstreamer. packaged as totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 19:46.19 | soup_ | !totem-plugins |
| 19:46.39 | soup_ | !totem-xine |
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| 19:49.09 | codazoda | My searches on Google about Motif are just turning up rants about design philosophy. Not information about how to change the style. |
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| 19:51.03 | markit | any info about when kernel 2.6.23 will be in Sid? |
| 19:52.13 | mike1o | genksyms is missing in my kernel tree |
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| 19:55.45 | Goundy | http://www.moanmyip.com/ |
| 19:55.46 | Goundy | ^^ |
| 19:56.17 | ameyer | o_O |
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| 19:58.40 | n3kl | haha! |
| 19:58.52 | pv2b | i'm trying to get my /dev/parport0 working, but when i try opening it, i just get "no such file or directory". i have an entry in dmesg, and (i think) the proper module is loaded. what might i be doing wrong? |
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| 20:02.13 | elenril | when i do gcc --std=c99, i get M_PI undeclared error |
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| 20:02.22 | elenril | without std99 everything is fine |
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| 20:03.26 | markit | mike1o: are you answering me? what do you mean? |
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| 20:03.34 | MUhhh | hi i have a problem trying to mount my celphone ( a sony eric. w300i), when I do a dmseg (http://pastebin.com/m73467d34) show my celphone on ttyACM0 and ttyACM1 , but when i gonna mount ( mount -a /dev/ttyACM0 /mnt/w300) it say that ttyACM0 dont exist... |
| 20:03.39 | MUhhh | what y must do ? |
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| 20:04.12 | MUhhh | I use debian lenny |
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| 20:04.18 | capiira | hehe i hate & love debian ;D |
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| 20:04.26 | capiira | wlan is working again |
| 20:04.34 | abrotman | MUhhh: do you have permission? |
| 20:04.54 | MUhhh | abrotman, i do everything with su |
| 20:04.56 | dqs | how can i prevent an init script from starting at boot time ? |
| 20:05.01 | HNS | I have chenged screen settings(made dual head) in my xorg.conf, can I reload it on desktop? |
| 20:05.07 | capiira | my prob was: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449200 |
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| 20:05.51 | utopia_ | what program is good for creating fav icons? |
| 20:06.05 | mike1o | markit, actually it was a question :-) |
| 20:06.25 | capiira | inkscape gimp use whatever you want :D |
| 20:06.27 | markit | :) |
| 20:06.45 | markit | wondering why no one seems to know about 2.6.23 kernel... has been released 1 month ago |
| 20:06.49 | capiira | fav icons is nothing special |
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| 20:07.30 | capiira | i'm running my self made vanilla 2.6.23.1 |
| 20:08.03 | capiira | i don't notice a difference with the new cfg scheduler |
| 20:08.05 | MUhhh | any idea ? |
| 20:08.35 | capiira | sometimes the mouse pointer still lags |
| 20:08.52 | MUhhh | hi i have a problem trying to mount my celphone ( a sony eric. w300i), when I do a dmseg (http://pastebin.com/m73467d34) show my celphone on ttyACM0 and ttyACM1 , but when i gonna mount ( mount -a /dev/ttyACM0 /mnt/w300) it say that ttyACM0 dont exist... |
| 20:08.55 | MUhhh | help plz |
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| 20:09.30 | stew | MUhhh: what does "ls -l /dev/ttyACM0" return? |
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| 20:09.58 | MUhhh | the folder or dir dont exist |
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| 20:10.43 | MUhhh | stew, but when i do a dmesg show that my celphone is mount on ttyACM0 and ttyACM1 |
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| 20:11.42 | stew | MUhhh: if its showin up as scsi emulation for mass storage, then it should be /dev/sdX ; where X could be a,b,c,d,e... |
| 20:11.48 | stew | MUhhh: see if it shows up in "fdisk -l" |
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| 20:12.38 | asperon | hi guys, if i just want one package from sid, how to i tell apt where to get it? |
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| 20:13.00 | stew | asperon: what version of debian are you runing? |
| 20:13.07 | MUhhh | stew, when i do a fdisk -l dont show anything about my celphone , and when i do a ls /dev/sd* nothin appear |
| 20:13.09 | MUhhh | *nothing |
| 20:13.27 | asperon | stew: lenny, or a sliding downgrade from sid to lenny |
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| 20:14.00 | stew | asperon: /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
| 20:14.03 | asperon | thing is, i am running the 2.6.22 kernel, and need the ivtv kernel source from sif |
| 20:14.05 | asperon | thnx |
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| 20:14.11 | asperon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.13 | asperon | ops =) |
| 20:14.35 | stew | asperon: after you set up the mix, "aptitude -t unstable install ivtv-source" |
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| 20:18.41 | soup_ | how do you allow root to open a window? I get cannot open display whenever I'm su'd on a console |
| 20:18.52 | stew | soup_: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 20:19.22 | soup_ | stew: thanks :) |
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| 20:19.57 | smacnay | IS there a standalone id3 tag editor? |
| 20:20.31 | stew | smacnay: id3 |
| 20:20.40 | smacnay | stew: thanks |
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| 20:24.06 | nepbabu | :) |
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| 20:34.57 | sorl_ | anyone knows what debian partition sizes are? |
| 20:35.15 | Goundy | the size you want ? |
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| 20:35.26 | stew | soup_: what exactly do you mean? "fdisk -l" should list sizes of known partitions |
| 20:35.42 | stew | sorl_: ^^ |
| 20:36.24 | sorl_ | stew, for a new disk layout i mean |
| 20:36.46 | stew | sorl_: are you talking about the guided partitioning in the installer? |
| 20:36.55 | Vasistha | sorl_: are you asking for partitioning recommendations? |
| 20:37.23 | sorl_ | Vasistha, yes something like that, its for a web server |
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| 20:37.50 | nepbabu | where's the home of gnome weather? :/ |
| 20:37.56 | Vasistha | sorl_: you'll probably want to give /var a sizable partition of its own |
| 20:38.05 | nepbabu | weather applet i mean |
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| 20:38.28 | nepbabu | google(tm) returns nothing atm. :( |
| 20:38.31 | sorl_ | Vasistha, yes im thinking of doing even /var/log as a seperate too |
| 20:39.22 | Vasistha | nepbabu: maybe ask on irc.gnome.org (I think that's the right network) |
| 20:39.35 | nepbabu | Vasistha, i'll ask in #gnome. thanks |
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| 20:41.01 | sorl_ | should i care about creating logical partitions at all? |
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| 20:42.33 | Vasistha | sorl_: if you need more than four partitions, then you'll need to have logical partitions. I usually do them even if I don't need more than four, just to leave room for growth |
| 20:42.51 | dkr | heh, remember earlier discussion about debian applying security patches instead of bumping to new versions? "Version 7.0 of the PCRE library featured a major rewrite of the regular |
| 20:42.51 | dkr | expression compiler, and it was deemed infeasible to backport the |
| 20:42.51 | dkr | security fixes in version 7.3 to the versions in Debian's stable and |
| 20:42.51 | dkr | oldstable distributions (6.7 and 4.5, respectively). Therefore, this update contains version 7.3, with special patches to improve the compatibility with the older versions." |
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| 20:43.03 | dkr | oops :) |
| 20:43.53 | sorl_ | Vasistha, yes yes |
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| 20:52.09 | FromTO | I get this message every time I try to use my printer recoverable: Network host '192.168.1.11' is busy; will retry in 20 seconds.. My wife can print from her laptop while I cannot. Any ideas why I get this from cups |
| 20:52.14 | tarzeau | no more /bin/arch ? |
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| 20:53.34 | tarzeau | uname -m will have to do then |
| 20:55.49 | Rockj | Greetings, anyne using wordpress from lenny-repos? Anyone had difficults with it? I'm having troubles like adding categories and such stuff. No idea why... writing posts works so that means db-access should be fine.. |
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| 20:56.26 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: best first thing to check would be the BTS |
| 20:56.38 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: if someone has seen a problem, they would have filed a bug (or should have, anyway) |
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| 21:05.06 | Rockj | dondelelcaro: it was in last version too, might be some cranky setup I got..but it's not that hard to install wordpress on debian :/ |
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| 21:06.21 | Rockj | checking the websites FAQ now. |
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| 21:11.02 | flyinprogramer | alright, not really a debian question, more of a general computer question, i just got a new case, the thing has 5 fans in it, and i've unplugged my processor fan, the average temperature for my use appears to be around 27-30, 27 at idol, 30 when using the processor at a 100% while opening a program |
| 21:11.35 | flyinprogramer | i was wondering what a safe temperature would be, and note my temps are in celsious |
| 21:11.45 | stew | flyinprogramer: ask #hardware |
| 21:11.50 | flyinprogramer | alright |
| 21:12.11 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: i've had cpu's run for weeks at 90 degrees C |
| 21:12.20 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: they don't usually go above 80 |
| 21:12.33 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: and for harddisks between 38 and 51 |
| 21:12.43 | Vasistha | flyinprogramer: (and yes, those are celcius measurements) |
| 21:12.49 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: gfx temps up to 65 |
| 21:13.04 | mirak | why isn't the FHS changed to adopt gobolinux hierarchy style ? |
| 21:13.22 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: some electronics used to make holes into the earth heat way above 100/200 degrees, and sometimes works for weeks |
| 21:13.34 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: when they break, the just take the next hardware |
| 21:13.48 | tarzeau | mirak: because FHS is linux centric |
| 21:13.54 | Rockj | dondelelcaro: wordpress bug against firefox it seems. disabling javascript works |
| 21:14.15 | tarzeau | mirak: and linux means also unix, which means shove all files all across the filesystem randomly (almost) |
| 21:14.17 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: ah |
| 21:14.55 | flyinprogramer | right, but i don't want to burn up my processor, so since those temps are crazy bigger than mine, you'd say i'm safe with that 3-4 degree increase? |
| 21:15.14 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: yes |
| 21:15.39 | mirak | tarzeau: they are stuffed randomly |
| 21:15.48 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: i've had hd's run at 60 degrees for weeks unnoticed because we hadn't temperature monitoring (because PSU fans died) |
| 21:15.48 | mirak | tarzeau: I prefer the word stuffed |
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| 21:16.01 | tarzeau | mirak: ah :) |
| 21:16.25 | tarzeau | mirak: if you've ever used a NeXT computer, you'd see it's also possible another way |
| 21:16.41 | tarzeau | actually, like Apple Mac OS X has it |
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| 21:17.28 | tarzeau | mirak: why someone would want that? so users can install binary software at where they have write permissions to, why i wrote this ugly hack: www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
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| 21:17.57 | mirak | tarrybone: I mean I can imagine that at the begining there was only a /bin, kind of lile c:/windows/system32/ then, they realised they could use images, so binaries with images inside where getting to big, so they stuffed them in /usr, then /bin became to stuffed, so they created a /usr/bin and /usr/share, because images where already there. |
| 21:18.18 | mirak | like/lile |
| 21:19.05 | tarzeau | mirak: and do you know /opt ? |
| 21:19.08 | mirak | tarzeau: well OS X uses they normal unix way exept for applications, but the UNIX layout is still there for the base system |
| 21:19.14 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am having a problem with ssh tunnel |
| 21:19.18 | mirak | tarzeau: yes I have some things in it |
| 21:19.20 | assasukasse | i am ssh tunnelling vnc |
| 21:19.28 | assasukasse | but seems not working while it worked b4 |
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| 21:19.57 | mirak | tarzeau: I didn't understand the authorisation for binary thing |
| 21:20.23 | jelly-home | tarzeau: each user could have his own unionfs / namespace, and _really_ install whatever stuff [s]he wanted :-) |
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| 21:20.39 | tarzeau | jelly-home: unfortunately that doesn't work with 80 % of the software on linux |
| 21:20.58 | jelly-home | minor implementation details |
| 21:21.10 | tarzeau | jelly-home: maybe install it, it won't ever work without a major effort to fix it |
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| 21:21.20 | tarzeau | jelly-home: if it was that easy, we'd have it |
| 21:21.42 | Lunar_Lamp | When I do "hostname -f" the fully qualified domain name doesn't match my rDNS entry - how do I change this? |
| 21:21.57 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: edit /etc/hosts |
| 21:22.05 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, ok |
| 21:22.08 | assasukasse | uhm, seems i can't bind the port, someone can remember me the program to check which ports are locked? |
| 21:22.11 | mirak | tarzeau: maybe one day someone will say, well this layout is dumb, let's change it |
| 21:22.16 | jelly-home | tarzeau: non-services ought to work |
| 21:22.22 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, is that the only file I need to edit? |
| 21:22.33 | tarzeau | mirak: yeah, NeXT said so, in 1989 :) |
| 21:22.40 | tarzeau | mirak: GNUstep did the same, 6 years later |
| 21:22.51 | tarzeau | mirak: Apple said so around 2000 |
| 21:22.58 | tarzeau | mirak: MS-DOS never knew something different |
| 21:23.22 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: yes |
| 21:23.31 | tarzeau | jelly-home: if you try it, you see it |
| 21:23.33 | jelly-home | mirak: there already are two main ideas on how to lay out filesystems, and they both have some advantages and disadvantages |
| 21:23.48 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, thankyou :-) Is there a neat guide so I don't mess up the syntax etc? |
| 21:23.51 | rahul | plan 9. |
| 21:24.02 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: man hosts :) |
| 21:24.06 | mirak | tarzeau: because it's not even coherent, why a /usr/X11 ? and I don't talk about /usr/java lol |
| 21:24.18 | dkr | hysterical raisins! |
| 21:24.20 | rahul | mirak: both of those are deprecated |
| 21:24.27 | tarzeau | mirak: X11 is another disaster |
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| 21:24.32 | tarzeau | mirak: NeXT didn't ship it :) |
| 21:24.55 | xingu | next shipped with the thundering performance that is mach ports |
| 21:24.57 | mike1o | why is the genksyms script missing from my kernel tree? |
| 21:25.01 | mirak | jelly-home: what are the advantages of actual FHS besides "it will not break compatibility" ? |
| 21:25.21 | Eulex | that it's a standard? |
| 21:25.24 | jelly-home | mirak: no need to mess with PATH. no duplicates of code. |
| 21:25.26 | rahul | it does break compatibility |
| 21:25.37 | rahul | it estabishes a simple, clean standard |
| 21:25.50 | jelly-home | mirak: you can all find it on Google if you bother |
| 21:25.59 | rahul | no binaries in /etc/ for example! |
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| 21:26.14 | jelly-home | rahul: you leave my Solaris alone! |
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| 21:26.29 | rahul | heh |
| 21:27.04 | jelly-home | rahul: watch out, we're in a sunspot low these days. |
| 21:27.06 | rahul | http://spaceweather.com/images2007/05nov07/coronalhole_soho_163.gif |
| 21:27.06 | mirak | jelly-home: for PATH it's a non issue if you do a symlink to an equivalent of /programs for exemple |
| 21:27.14 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, hmm, do I need to restart a service to get /etc/hosts reread? |
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| 21:27.44 | jelly-home | mirak: something needs to handle the symlinks then. |
| 21:27.46 | mirak | jelly-home: you see how long it is to find an application in the PATH anyway ? |
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| 21:27.57 | xingu | compatibility, the bane of youth, the comedy of middle age, the tragedy of the aged |
| 21:27.59 | jelly-home | mirak: no. |
| 21:28.10 | redtape | xingu: what??? |
| 21:28.14 | mirak | jelly-home: just open bash and type TAB :) |
| 21:28.14 | redtape | dont think i get it |
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| 21:28.43 | mirak | jelly-home: not that slow |
| 21:28.50 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: no, hostname shoul read it every time |
| 21:28.57 | jelly-home | compatibility is why most of us still use a crappy arch that boots up as a 8/16 bit machine. |
| 21:29.21 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, hmm, well, the previous hostname wasn't in there, but after putting the correct one in there (matching rDNS) it's not updated. |
| 21:29.21 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: that is, if you haven't modified /etc/nsswitch.conf to read something else before file for hosts |
| 21:29.24 | jelly-home | mirak: I don't use bash, sorry. |
| 21:29.41 | xingu | redtape: wait until you've had to retrain 200-300 people or so in a new system; then you'll understand. |
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| 21:29.55 | mirak | jelly-home: you can install more than one version of the same application easily with gobolinux |
| 21:29.56 | redtape | ok |
| 21:29.59 | redtape | :) |
| 21:30.00 | mirak | that's nice |
| 21:30.02 | jelly-home | mirak: also, this is not the room for an argument. If you have a Debian support question, feel free to address me. |
| 21:30.03 | mirak | ok |
| 21:30.07 | mirak | bye |
| 21:30.28 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, in nsswitch the line "hosts" has "files DNS" - is that correct? |
| 21:30.35 | assasukasse | how do i check which ports are currently in use in my system? |
| 21:30.41 | redtape | xingu: theres something very dilbert-esque in that statement |
| 21:30.43 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: yes, that means it looks in /etc/hosts before tryng dns |
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| 21:30.53 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 21:30.53 | dpkg | hmm... open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 21:30.56 | redtape | "the comedy of middle-age" |
| 21:30.58 | redtape | i like that |
| 21:31.01 | xingu | redtape: mmm |
| 21:31.09 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, hmm, previously it seems to have been aquiring it from DNS - how do I "flush" that and get it to re-read? |
| 21:31.36 | labanux | anyone know how to make debian looks like linux mint desktop? |
| 21:31.47 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: by "it", do you mean the hostname command? it doesn't have any cache, you can strace it and see it open /etc/hosts every time |
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| 21:32.24 | assasukasse | i am trying to tunnel to a machine, but seems that every time i give ssh -L 5901:localhost:5900 user@machine |
| 21:32.31 | assasukasse | i get an error that can't bing port 5901 |
| 21:32.34 | jelly-home | xingu: retraining wouldn't have hurt as much if the darn implementors had actually listened to our people and implemented the next thing the logical way... exactly the same as the old one. |
| 21:32.36 | assasukasse | on this machine i am typing from |
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| 21:33.41 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, so any suggestions why it isn't working? :-/ |
| 21:33.55 | jelly-home | mike1o: kernel now dumps stack traces with symbol names already there. |
| 21:34.21 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: ip you put in hosts file doesn't match your system ip? ;) |
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| 21:35.09 | NolanG | I am running Debian Etch 4.0 in Xen. It frequently crashes with: kernel panic - not syncing. The stack trace shows a problem with tcp_tso_segment. Any idea how to troubleshoot this further? |
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| 21:35.24 | xingu | jelly-home: :) it's easy to scrap a system you've never shipped, and it's easy to be amused by one you didn't design; until you've done both, you don't have a real grip on how tightly people bind to the oddest things |
| 21:36.12 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, it does :-( |
| 21:36.16 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: hrm, man hostname says, "The address families hostname tries when looking up the FQDN, aliases and network addresses of the host are determined by the configuration of your resolver" |
| 21:36.49 | mike1o | jelly-home, what if I need the genksyms script? |
| 21:36.56 | jelly-home | mike1o: sorry, I was thinking of ksymoops... my 2.6.23 source has scripts/genksyms/genksyms.c |
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| 21:38.05 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, aha, I commented out all entries in /etc/resolv.conf and I got the error message "Hostname: Host name lookup failure" |
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| 21:38.47 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: do you have any 127/8 entries ni /etc/hosts? |
| 21:38.54 | junix|work | how do i do extended desktops using ATI Radeon 2400 Pro?? |
| 21:39.27 | Alarm | hello,when loading icon themes (for kde) . it loads all the icons in memory, or it loads them when they are used by each application ? cause i downloaded a file like 100mb big. i know that like that my system needs more memory, the point it how it uses it with those icons |
| 21:39.35 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, I have 127.0.0.1 there - that and the IP address as the only two lines |
| 21:39.58 | Vasistha | Alarm: probably a question for #kde |
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| 21:40.36 | Alarm | okie |
| 21:41.52 | dkr | Lunar_Lamp: does "strace -eopen hostname -f" show it opening /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:42.32 | doomster | greetings! |
| 21:42.44 | Lunar_Lamp | dkr, yes |
| 21:42.50 | dkr | doomster: salutations! |
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| 21:43.21 | guillaume | hello, I setup a wpa acess under ndiswraper, but the network adress of my wlan0 isn't in the range of my local network (192.168.1.x), my router is setup as wifi access point for fon users and my isp provider users. How can I fix the dhcp ? |
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| 21:45.53 | TurboBee | I just started using my X as a normal user, I was being lazy the first 24hrs of my new install and used X as root. well now when I start to use Iceweasel certain pages won't load as if the document is missing. They load fine as root |
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| 21:46.13 | TurboBee | do I have to reset the permsisions on a certain directory? |
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| 21:49.18 | karmatronic | hi |
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| 21:49.41 | assasukasse | can someone tell me what means this ssh message? debug1: channel 3: free: direct-tcpip: listening port 5901 for localhost port 5900, connect from 127.0.0.1 port 57278, nchannels 4 |
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| 21:50.12 | doomster | I have two machines, connected to a switch which is connected to a DSL modem. Each of them can reach the internet via that modem, but I somehow can't find a way for them to ping each other, always 'destination host unreachable'. |
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| 21:51.11 | petemc | doomster: are they both connected via wired ethernet or.. ? |
| 21:51.27 | doomster | yes, wired ethernet. |
| 21:52.02 | petemc | they both have addresses within the same subnet? |
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| 21:52.25 | doomster | yes 192.168.0.3 and 5 |
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| 21:53.27 | doomster | the route looks okay, too. |
| 21:53.42 | petemc | what you dont need to route between those two hosts |
| 21:53.58 | petemc | erm, s/what// |
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| 21:54.29 | petemc | are the switch and dsl modem the same device? |
| 21:54.34 | doomster | well, at least it needs to know that 192.168/16 needs to go through eth0. |
| 21:54.43 | petemc | thats not routing |
| 21:54.48 | doomster | petemc, no, they are separate |
| 21:55.02 | petemc | what kind of switch plugs into a dsl modem? |
| 21:55.07 | petemc | switches are dumb |
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| 21:55.25 | doomster | petemc, it's the output of '/sbin/route' or 'ip route show' which I meant. What would you call it? |
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| 21:55.42 | petemc | whatever, its not relevant to your question |
| 21:56.04 | petemc | 2 hosts on the same subnet dont need a gateway to communicate |
| 21:56.42 | doomster | petemc, it's PPPoE, so I used a switch in order to make it accessible from both machines. It worked in the past. |
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| 21:59.30 | tabris|away | doomster: uhhh. I duno what you're smoking, but most modems only allow one PPPoE session at a time. |
| 21:59.44 | tabris|away | doomster: and as such, you need a router, not a switch, for that. |
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| 22:00.11 | doomster | I'm not smoking anything (all gone...) but I don't have two concurrent PPPoE sessions. |
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| 22:00.52 | doomster | well, one machine can route for the other. |
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| 22:02.04 | sam1337 | If I use encrypted lvm and the police steal my pc's hdd from me to examine it for downloaded movies can I still get arrested? |
| 22:02.05 | petemc | if you have 2 machines plugged into a switch, both having addresses on the 192.168.0.0./24 subnet, they would be able to contact each other |
| 22:02.48 | doomster | petemc, ...unless at least one the machines is mine... :( |
| 22:02.54 | petemc | no |
| 22:03.06 | petemc | theres some other variable you're not telling us |
| 22:03.39 | doomster | tell me which one and I'll tell you it's value ;) |
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| 22:04.23 | doomster | I'll remove the switch and replace it with a cross-cable, connecting the two machines directly. Maybe the switch is broken.... |
| 22:04.51 | petemc | if they can both connect to the internet, its working on some capacity |
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| 22:05.00 | petemc | s/on/in/ |
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| 22:06.14 | doomster | exactly that is what puzzles me, but I can't make sense of it.... |
| 22:06.34 | petemc | what kind of device is doing the pppoe? |
| 22:07.50 | petemc | tho, again, that isnt germane to your question |
| 22:07.51 | doomster | cisco 677i dsl modem |
| 22:07.57 | petemc | doomster: what kind of switch is it? |
| 22:08.25 | doomster | sky link with 8 ports |
| 22:09.13 | doomster | petemc, brb, Ill try the direct connection, but I have to go offline for that..... |
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| 22:12.07 | pleed | does someone know what s wrong with "iptables -A INPUT --proto !tcp -i eth0 --dport 80 -j REJECT" ? iptables says "!tcp: event not found" |
| 22:12.27 | jelly-home | pleed: you shell doesn't like unquoted ! |
| 22:12.39 | pleed | jelly-home: xD |
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| 22:12.59 | pleed | jelly-home: no "!tcp" doesnt work either |
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| 22:13.11 | stew | pleed: use single quotes or \!tcp |
| 22:13.13 | jelly-home | pleed: single quotes or escape with \ |
| 22:13.28 | jelly-home | stew: I'll get you next time! |
| 22:13.32 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one tell me why a file name like this is messing up cat ? cat MakeupQ_20071102.sort-u produces no error cat MakeupQ_20071102.sort-u.log-2 produces the error sort: open failed: 2: No such file or directory i even. would it be a possible file system corruption ? |
| 22:14.37 | pleed | jelly-home: when typing iptables -A INPUT --proto \!tcp -i eth0 --dport 80 -j REJECT it says "unknown protocol" |
| 22:15.30 | synak_ | thelosbutler; cat doesnt complain with that filename on this side. try cat -- file |
| 22:16.05 | jelly-home | pleed: now you just need to fix your syntax (apparently -p \!tcp isn't acceptable) |
| 22:16.47 | Zippy2 | where do i get smartmontools 3.5.7 for debian etch |
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| 22:17.17 | streuner | !info smartmontools etch |
| 22:17.21 | dpkg | smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.36-8 (etch), Packaged size: 256 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 22:17.26 | jelly-home | pleed: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 22:17.35 | streuner | Zippy2: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:17.41 | pleed | jelly-home: "iptables -A INPUT --proto \!tcp -i eth0 --dport 80 -j REJECT" |
| 22:17.52 | pleed | jelly-home: and iptables gets --proto !tcp |
| 22:18.03 | jelly-home | pleed: in words, please |
| 22:18.07 | stew | Zippy2: why would you need such an ancient version of smartmontools? won't a more current version do? |
| 22:18.25 | stew | Zippy2: the oldest version that debian ever had was 5.1.1 |
| 22:18.26 | streuner | Zippy2: 3.5.7? |
| 22:18.32 | pleed | jelly-home: dont know in englisch |
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| 22:18.55 | pleed | jelly-home: i dont really understand you |
| 22:19.12 | streuner | Zippy2: why do you think you need a newer version? |
| 22:19.14 | jelly-home | pleed: what are you trying to accomplish with this rule? |
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| 22:19.48 | Aw0L | Just a general question: What do debian folks think of ubuntuers? |
| 22:19.53 | pleed | jelly-home: block all incoming traffic to port 80 except tcp |
| 22:20.13 | streuner | Aw0L: wanna start a flamewar? |
| 22:20.46 | Aw0L | streuner, no, just wonder what the general consensus was |
| 22:21.17 | OXIj | hi all. i have a question. but now about hardware... I have APC UPS and chieftec box if i turn off the power then power supply in case start cracking and UPS shows overload. its power supply bug? |
| 22:21.23 | jelly-home | pleed: ports are only applicable to ip based protocols, and there's only two in general use, tcp and udp. |
| 22:22.02 | pleed | jelly-home: ah damn u re right. thanks |
| 22:22.11 | pleed | so i just block udp port 80 |
| 22:22.29 | streuner | Aw0L: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
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| 22:23.01 | jelly-home | pleed: no need to, IMHO. Instead, block all udp traffic except known good (dns, ntp, anything else you need) |
| 22:23.22 | Aw0L | streuner, so it's just viewed as sub-par? (I'm not an ubuntu-guy by the way) |
| 22:23.44 | jelly-home | Aw0L: ubuntu has different goals than Debian. |
| 22:24.09 | Aw0L | jelly-home, like ubuntu wants to be popular, and Debian wants to be good? |
| 22:24.35 | stew | Aw0L: debian wants to be free; please go to #ubuntu if you want to discuss the goals of ubuntu |
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| 22:24.42 | stew | Aw0L: this is not a good forum for polling users |
| 22:24.49 | jelly-home | Aw0L: I don't really know much about ubuntu. |
| 22:24.58 | Zippy2 | streuner: 3.5.6 doesnt work with my hard drive/sata |
| 22:25.03 | pleed | jelly-home: ok so i can do a -proto udp -j REJECT and then -proto udp -dport 53 -j ACCEPT right? |
| 22:25.15 | Aw0L | stew, okay, thanks |
| 22:25.44 | stew | pleed: other way around |
| 22:26.06 | streuner | Zippy2: 3.5.6 isnt even in unstable/sid |
| 22:26.31 | jelly-home | pleed: yes, with two changes: 1. it has to be the other way round -- first matched rule is used. 2. better to just DROP the udp traffic |
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| 22:27.19 | Zippy2 | im using etch |
| 22:27.23 | Zippy2 | im getting this: |
| 22:27.28 | Zippy2 | ata1.00: tag 0 cmd 0xb0 Emask 0x2 stat 0x50 err 0x0 (HSM violation) |
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| 22:27.54 | Zippy2 | and then it soft resets the sata port |
| 22:27.58 | pleed | jelly-home: ok thanks |
| 22:28.05 | jelly-home | Zippy2: that's with -d ata? |
| 22:28.21 | pleed | jelly-home: so it s like on cisco acl right? |
| 22:28.41 | jelly-home | pleed: it serves the same purpose |
| 22:29.02 | Zippy2 | jelly: yes |
| 22:29.37 | Zippy2 | it's a brand new hard drive-dell |
| 22:29.42 | Zippy2 | dell computer. |
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| 22:30.06 | Zippy2 | Device: ATA Hitachi HDT72502 Version: V5DO |
| 22:30.39 | jelly-home | Zippy2: I vaguely remember seeing the error somewhere... can you pastebin lspci output? Which driver is used for the sata controller? |
| 22:30.53 | Zippy2 | ill pastebin lspci and lsmod |
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| 22:32.13 | Zippy2 | http://pastebin.com/m5e457a1d |
| 22:32.56 | jelly-home | Zippy2: which kernel, etch 2.6.18-5-*? |
| 22:33.11 | Zippy2 | 2.6.18-5-amd64 SMP |
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| 22:33.18 | Zippy2 | unmodified |
| 22:33.58 | Zippy2 | does tar follows symlinks by default? |
| 22:33.59 | suppaman | I'd like to poll an interface speed in kbytes/s, any hint ? |
| 22:34.06 | jelly-home | Zippy2: dunno, I'd try a newer kernel. |
| 22:34.08 | Zippy2 | suppaman: iptraf |
| 22:34.16 | Zippy2 | jelly: i want to stick with etch, it's a server. do i have any choice? |
| 22:34.40 | jelly-home | Zippy2: you can only replace the kernel, nothing else. |
| 22:34.59 | jelly-home | Zippy2: I think there's a build of 2.6.22 in backports.org |
| 22:35.14 | \amethyst | Zippy2: tar -h follows symlinks |
| 22:35.17 | suppaman | Zippy2: I'm fiddling with it just now, do you know if I can just get the speed of an iface on stdout ? |
| 22:35.51 | Zippy2 | \amethyst: but it doesnt by default? |
| 22:35.59 | Zippy2 | suppaman: there's some program. search apt-get |
| 22:36.20 | suppaman | Zippy2: I did, I got ethstatus and another whose name I can't recall just now |
| 22:36.23 | suppaman | smurf ? |
| 22:36.27 | \amethyst | Zippy2: no, by default stores only the link |
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| 22:37.00 | suppaman | slurm |
| 22:37.05 | suppaman | that is |
| 22:37.07 | Zippy2 | \amethyst: store the link meaning the file that is linked? |
| 22:37.14 | Zippy2 | suppaman: dont remember the name of it |
| 22:37.18 | jelly-home | Zippy2: (I meant you can replace the kernel and keep the rest intact) |
| 22:37.22 | karmatronic | ho the |
| 22:37.25 | Zippy2 | jelly: do you think lenny is stable enough to use for a server? |
| 22:37.26 | \amethyst | Zippy2: no, it stores "this is a symlink to /blah" |
| 22:37.33 | Zippy2 | \amethyst: ok good thats what i want. thanks |
| 22:38.00 | jelly-home | Zippy2: I wouldn't use it in a production environment unless I absolutely had to. |
| 22:38.04 | stew | Zippy2: lenny is not appropriate for a server. use backports of whatever packages from lenny you would need |
| 22:38.05 | Zippy2 | ok backports.org it is |
| 22:38.08 | Zippy2 | thanks |
| 22:38.11 | suppaman | Zippy2: search what for in apt-get ? |
| 22:38.18 | Zippy2 | suppaman: sigh fine |
| 22:38.18 | suppaman | Zippy2: I think I found all of them (3) on lenny |
| 22:38.46 | Zippy2 | suppaman: maybe sysstat? |
| 22:38.50 | Zippy2 | like freebsd |
| 22:38.54 | Zippy2 | i dont remember |
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| 22:41.46 | junix|work | how do i do extended desktops using ATI Radeon 2400 Pro?? |
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| 22:42.18 | jelly-home | suppaman: nmeter is nice too. |
| 22:42.44 | suppaman | jelly-home: I'd just like to poll the speed of wifi nic to show it in fbpanel |
| 22:42.50 | doomster | petemc: I'm not sure what the problem is, direct connection via a cross-cable worked after I rebooted one of the machines (it has an autodetection for the cable). I'll keep on looking... thanx for your help! |
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| 22:43.06 | suppaman | jelly-home: it hasn't to be nice as long as it works |
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| 22:44.40 | suppaman | jelly-home: as I still haven't found a solution |
| 22:44.47 | Zippy2 | ok so upgrade the kernel with backports? |
| 22:44.50 | Zippy2 | and smartmontools |
| 22:44.50 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 22:45.13 | suppaman | jelly-home: mm can't find it in lenny |
| 22:46.29 | jelly-home | suppaman: I think it's not in debian |
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| 22:47.11 | suppaman | lol I see |
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| 22:47.12 | suppaman | You have searched for nmeter in packages names and descriptions in all suites, all sections, and all architectures (including subword matching). |
| 22:47.12 | suppaman | Sorry, your search gave no results |
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| 22:47.22 | suppaman | :-) |
| 22:47.51 | jelly-home | suppaman: you can just take two numbers from ifconfig subtract and divide by the sleep interval |
| 22:49.16 | jelly-home | suppaman: or from /sys/class/net/IFACE/statistics/???bytes |
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| 22:49.48 | suppaman | jelly-home: do you mean taking two numbers with a delay? |
| 22:50.06 | jelly-home | suppaman: naturally |
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| 22:50.47 | suppaman | jelly-home: I wonder how would fbpanel handle this |
| 22:50.53 | suppaman | jelly-home: BUT |
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| 22:50.56 | tuv | i found cutmp3, mp3splt, and quelcom. any recommendation as of which is a better mp3 cutter? |
| 22:51.14 | suppaman | jelly-home: I could run the polling apart and write it in a user readable file, and just get the file content in fbpanel |
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| 22:52.18 | jelly-home | suppaman: that's what all the cool snmp helpers apps do :-) |
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| 22:52.35 | suppaman | snmp the protocol ? |
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| 22:53.26 | jelly-home | suppaman: yeah, it usually used to poll the machines for all sorts of statistics. custom stats are usually created the way you described. |
| 22:53.56 | suppaman | I'm not that good at bash |
| 22:53.59 | suppaman | I'll try |
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| 22:55.48 | jelly-home | interface byte counters often have numbers bigger than what bash arithmetics can handle, so you might have to do the math with something like bc |
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| 22:57.59 | suppaman | mm I see |
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| 22:58.52 | suppaman | bc is integer only, isn't it ? |
| 22:59.13 | dkr | add: aliased to perl -Mbignum -le 'print(!*)' |
| 22:59.22 | jelly-home | it can do floats. scale=4 gives 4 digits right of decimal point |
| 22:59.33 | suppaman | scale=4 bc |
| 22:59.53 | jelly-home | tx1=$(cat /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/tx_bytes); sleep 5; tx2=$(cat /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/tx_bytes); echo out speed $(echo "scale=3; ($tx2-$tx1)/5/1024"|bc) KBps; |
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| 23:02.59 | suppaman | jelly-home: are tx1 and tx2 auto typeset to integer ? |
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| 23:03.10 | suppaman | I always decalare them explictly |
| 23:03.11 | jelly-home | suppaman: it's shell, all strings. :-) |
| 23:03.30 | suppaman | bash can do integer arithmetic |
| 23:03.46 | jelly-home | I bet it's limited to 2^^31-1 |
| 23:04.28 | Vasistha | rather than echo | bc, I usually use: bc -l <<<"3.5+2.2" |
| 23:04.54 | Vasistha | last I checked, bash did 64-bit signed integers |
| 23:04.55 | stew | $ echo $((4294967295 * 16)) |
| 23:04.56 | stew | 68719476720 |
| 23:05.00 | jelly-home | I usually don't use constructs not available in common /bin/sh |
| 23:06.14 | jelly-home | yeah, my zsh wraps around 63-64 bits |
| 23:08.03 | suppaman | Vasistha: other then being nicer has it other benefits ? |
| 23:08.36 | jelly-home | Vasistha: a here-doc in 0 lines, purty |
| 23:08.37 | Vasistha | suppaman: probably not :) |
| 23:08.59 | Vasistha | jelly-home: I think it's called a here-string when it's with <<< instead of << |
| 23:09.44 | FordCortina | i install a java jdk via make-jpkg... update-alternatives says it knows where the installation is but java,javac etc are not on my path.... symlinks /etc/alternatives seem to point still to my 1.5 jdk which is no longer installed. How do I make update-alternatives fix itself? |
| 23:10.52 | suppaman | how do I echo a newline ? |
| 23:10.54 | jelly-home | update-alternatives --auto java ? |
| 23:11.07 | suppaman | usually I just insert an echo on a single line |
| 23:11.15 | jelly-home | FordCortina: same for javac |
| 23:11.22 | Vasistha | suppaman: echo -e '\n' I think |
| 23:11.26 | jelly-home | suppaman: just echo |
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| 23:11.58 | Vasistha | suppaman: help echo |
| 23:12.07 | suppaman | jelly-home: I mean instead of having echo "blah"; echo "blah"; echo somethign like echo -e "blah\nblah\n\n" |
| 23:12.10 | jelly-home | oh, you want to echo -e 'stuff\nmore stuff\n\n\nyay, stuff' |
| 23:12.20 | suppaman | I want and it seems solved |
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| 23:12.52 | jelly-home | I'm too dumb, it's AM here. |
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| 23:13.27 | suppaman | here too |
| 23:13.30 | suppaman | I'm tired btw |
| 23:13.38 | Loigor | go to sleep |
| 23:13.42 | suppaman | jelly-home: CET ? |
| 23:13.51 | jelly-home | ya |
| 23:14.03 | suppaman | Loigor: that's the poor man's solution |
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| 23:14.19 | Loigor | so, youre not poor? |
| 23:14.33 | suppaman | Loigor: man, I'm heading to bed in minutes |
| 23:14.43 | Loigor | :P |
| 23:14.48 | suppaman | now I remember why I wanted to use iptraf |
| 23:14.56 | jelly-home | rich man solution is to make coffee, watch avis and get real exhausted before doing the correct thing |
| 23:15.04 | suppaman | I just wanted to monitor traffic to and from internet, not local traffic |
| 23:15.13 | suppaman | avis ? |
| 23:15.17 | suppaman | car rent ? |
| 23:15.19 | jelly-home | .avi s |
| 23:15.25 | suppaman | ah |
| 23:15.28 | suppaman | you mean porn |
| 23:15.42 | jelly-home | eh, bad SF actually |
| 23:15.46 | jelly-home | Heroes |
| 23:16.04 | suppaman | I'm at 2x06 I think |
| 23:16.15 | suppaman | that Nakamura guy drives me crazy |
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| 23:16.28 | Loigor | if you guys watch heroes |
| 23:16.41 | jelly-home | the following episode is fresh from under the ... er, torrent client. |
| 23:16.44 | Loigor | i'm going to watch futurama |
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| 23:16.57 | suppaman | jelly-home: lol here too, I think first season is on air this year |
| 23:17.03 | dkr | suppaman: "destroy the space-time continuum" vs "kissing hot girl". easy decision! |
| 23:17.15 | suppaman | dkr: don't spoiler ? |
| 23:17.17 | suppaman | ! |
| 23:17.22 | suppaman | or ppl may kill you |
| 23:17.22 | dkr | I didn't say what he chose. :) |
| 23:17.42 | suppaman | I liked the greato scott |
| 23:17.46 | jelly-home | The second season seems to be written a bit worse. Hope the Hollywootd writers strike works out. ;-) |
| 23:18.03 | suppaman | I've just seen first two episodes of Scrubs season 7 |
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| 23:18.18 | suppaman | it's even crappier than 6.. |
| 23:18.30 | suppaman | damn, I loved Scrubs |
| 23:22.34 | jelly-home | Hiro Protagonist was a nice name for a major character. This Hiro isn't very original. OTOH, they're based off DC/Marvel style superheroes, so it could be worse. |
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| 23:24.00 | suppaman | mm Tx speed are way too high |
| 23:24.14 | suppaman | I wonder where could I put tx and rx speed |
| 23:24.19 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.05 | Loigor | lul |
| 23:27.06 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:30.51 | FordCortina | jelly-home: thanks --auto java worked |
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| 23:34.11 | suppaman | mm tx speed is way too high |
| 23:38.27 | jelly-home | suppaman: /var/tmp or /var/run/customdir or /var/lib/customdir |
| 23:38.49 | jelly-home | suppaman: probably the last |
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| 23:42.56 | suppaman | jelly-home: why /var/tmp instead of temp ? |
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| 23:43.06 | suppaman | btw I'm seriously going to bed |
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| 23:49.08 | KaZeR | hi there. |
| 23:49.20 | KaZeR | i'm new to debian and can't get ffmpeg installed with mp3 encoder |
| 23:49.25 | KaZeR | can anyone help? |
| 23:49.48 | abrotman | are you on etch ? |
| 23:50.20 | KaZeR | it's not my box :) how can i tell? |
| 23:50.21 | abrotman | does ffmpeg support mp3 ? |
| 23:50.32 | suppaman | I think so |
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| 23:50.40 | jelly-home | among other stuff |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | or does it need an external library/application to do it ? |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | !lame |
| 23:51.03 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:51.29 | jelly-home | frankly I don't care, mplayer and mencoder from d-m just work with whatever codec needed :-) |
| 23:52.09 | rwp | KaZeR, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 23:52.15 | suppaman | ok I'm off to sleep |
| 23:52.17 | suppaman | by |
| 23:52.18 | suppaman | 'night |
| 23:52.22 | KaZeR | 4.0 |
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| 23:52.49 | rwp | 4.0 is Etch, Debian Stable |
| 23:53.03 | KaZeR | ok thanks |
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| 23:53.28 | jelly-home | KaZeR: why do you need it? Would you settle for prebuilt packages? |
| 23:54.00 | BlueToothz | hi what is this problem. |
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| 23:54.02 | BlueToothz | iSystems:~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Internet Explorer# ./iexplore.exe |
| 23:54.02 | BlueToothz | bash: ./iexplore.exe: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:54.03 | abrotman | i think he's using hte one in etch now |
| 23:54.07 | BlueToothz | cannot execute binary |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | BlueToothz: ask #winehq |
| 23:54.12 | BlueToothz | do i need to chmod |
| 23:54.23 | rwp | KaZeR, As abrotman said, you probably need lame from debian-multimedia.org. |
| 23:54.28 | BlueToothz | rolls eyes why am i even here then |
| 23:54.32 | jelly-home | KaZeR: /msg dpkg d-m |
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| 23:54.37 | abrotman | rwp: it appears ffmpeg should do it |
| 23:54.42 | KaZeR | jelly, requested by the user owning the box for multimedia encoding |
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| 23:55.08 | KaZeR | thanks jelly |
| 23:55.19 | KaZeR | thanks jelly-home |
| 23:55.29 | jelly-home | that's me in the corner |
| 23:55.32 | abrotman | if i had to guess .. no lame in debian .. and ffmpeg can't do mp3 either |
| 23:55.45 | abrotman | just a guess though |
| 23:55.48 | rwp | abrotman, Hmm... Not the one in Etch. But perhaps the ffmpeg from debian-multimedia.org though. |
| 23:55.53 | abrotman | right |
| 23:55.58 | rwp | agreed |
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| 23:56.06 | themill | Can anyone explain this "not-a-bug" to me? http://bugs.debian.org/449423 |
| 23:56.27 | jelly-home | ... !anyone :-) |
| 23:56.31 | themill | I've just hit the same problem... went looking... found that it's not a bug ... |
| 23:56.40 | themill | !kill jelly-home |
| 23:56.47 | KaZeR | thanks guys, this is perfect |
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| 23:58.30 | KaZeR | good night! |
| 23:58.32 | jelly-home | themill: the rest of the package from glibc-2.7 source are on the way? |
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| 23:58.39 | jelly-home | packages* |
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| 23:58.49 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 23:58.52 | abrotman | themill: it means .. it's not a bug |
| 23:59.03 | Nazcafan | how do I load automatically a module at startup ? |
| 23:59.05 | themill | jelly-home: I guess so... perhaps the ftp-master crash is the problem. An explanation would be helpful though ;( |
| 23:59.34 | jelly-home | themill: from a person calling himself madcoder? |
| 23:59.40 | rwp | themill, It could mean that the rest of the packages are in the pipeline. But I personally think that closing the bug that way with such a terse explaination is bad and makes it okay to argue the point. |
| 23:59.47 | jmcnaught | is it possible to have two name servers running on the same system (e.g. running debian on a virtual server, want to administer DNS on my own without getting a 2nd VPS)? |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | Nazcafan: put it in /etc/modules |
| 23:59.56 | themill | jelly-home: heh... |
