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00:01.32picard_pwns_kirkI'm currently installing and hoping to use debian in the very near future, does anyone have any tips or heads ups?
00:01.39jelly-homeDustyBin: that is, speed in one direction depends on the protocol used and its chattiness.  If you have streaming in both directions, you'll lose half the speed (and more)
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00:02.27dkrpicard_pwns_kirk: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03.html.en
00:02.27abrotman!ig
00:02.28dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5).  Lenny is now the new Testing!
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00:02.29xotahi! my locales are bad: http://pastebin.com/m9067be4 how can i reconfigure it?
00:03.04abrotmandpkg-reconfigure locales
00:03.05karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: Read the install guide, check http://www.debian.org/doc/
00:03.15DustyBinthe plot thickens, im getting different results from using iperf on the different machines, how odd. 1 machine says: 383 Mbits/sec and the other: 484 Mbits/sec  no where near 1000 Mbits/sec what it should be...
00:03.18picard_pwns_kirkwell, I can read docs
00:03.28picard_pwns_kirkor I can get user tips
00:03.40picard_pwns_kirkdocs can't tell me anecdotes
00:03.47DustyBini blame the bastards at asus and netgear
00:03.48xotaabrotman, http://pastebin.com/m4dcce253
00:03.51jelly-homeDustyBin: I have no idea about netgear, but with cisco 2960 switches and decent syskonnect (or server-motherboard e1000 or tg3) cards, tso enabled, no jumbo frames, I get 800-900 Mbps.
00:03.53dondelelcaroDustyBin: are you reading data off the disk or just sending data?
00:03.53xotaI've tested it yet
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00:04.19abrotmanxota: aptitude reinstall locales
00:04.23jelly-homeDustyBin: with iperf and tcp streams
00:04.31DustyBindondelelcaro: im benching marking the network speed with: iperf   you run a server and client between machines, it connects and checks out how fast your network is
00:04.36karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: Let me tell you an anecdote then.
00:04.43abrotmanxota: wait .. are you on unstable?
00:04.55jelly-homeDustyBin: have you checked the offload settings with ethtool?
00:04.56picard_pwns_kirksure
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00:04.59karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: Once I ran Another Distro.
00:05.05karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: Stuff happened.
00:05.10karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: Now I don't.
00:05.25picard_pwns_kirkokay...
00:05.39picard_pwns_kirkI'm converting from the ~buntus
00:05.48karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: Seriously:  the docs are pretty damned good.  If you want one of the best collections of anectdotes I've found WRT Debian, buy Martin Krafft's _The Debian System_.
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00:06.11picard_pwns_kirkI'll look into that
00:06.18DustyBinCannot get device tcp segmentation offload settings: Operation not supported
00:06.22jelly-homehopefully they're better than "stuff happened"
00:06.40jelly-homeDustyBin: you are root, right? :-)
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00:06.48DustyBinyes i am
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00:07.01DustyBinethtool -k eth0
00:07.08karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: The *buntus are pretty darned close to Debian, main difference being that Ubuntun will install a specified task.  With Debian you can install comperable tasks, or a bare minimum system and layer on what you want.
00:07.12jelly-homeDustyBin: either try upgrading the kernel, or your cards are crap
00:07.21thechefIs cups 1.2.7 affected by the vulnerability fixed in 1.3.4?
00:07.24DustyBinaye ok, they are only onboard NICs
00:07.35picard_pwns_kirkI tried Debian as my first distro, I think
00:07.43DustyBin02:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13)   both machines have same NIC
00:07.47picard_pwns_kirkthought it was too hard and went to Ubuntu
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00:08.16DustyBinLinux server 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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00:08.27hunger__hey all
00:08.30xotare
00:08.36xotasee this: http://pastebin.com/m53d94223 the aptitude reinstall locales
00:08.52karstenpicard_pwns_kirk: Ubuntu's a nice intro to Debian. I've been doing Debian since 1999, still touch other stuff, I'm impressed with what Ubuntu/Canonical have done, I still prefer Debian for myself.
00:09.06mineralewhat's the name of the algorithm that determines how to setup an arbitrary number of disks   --- in RAID ?
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00:09.11picard_pwns_kirkthe partitioner's slow
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00:09.21picard_pwns_kirkor perhaps it's the layout I chose...
00:09.40hunger__i'm trying to install debian on a machine w/ only sata drives, when asked to partition it doesn't list the drive, from what i've read as long as I use a 2.6 kernel I should be ok, is there anything else that I need to do?  TIA
00:09.45jelly-homeDustyBin: buy yourself some decent cards.  I needed vlan support and jumbo frames, and got SysKonnect 9821 v2.0.  They're not advertised as server stuff, but they work pretty well
00:09.57DustyBinaye thanks :D
00:10.13picard_pwns_kirkhunger__: are all the cords connected?
00:10.14DustyBini was going to get some netgear NICs to match my switch
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00:10.24hunger__oh forgot to mention, i'm installing via a netINST via USB.
00:10.28picard_pwns_kirkI did an install once, and I ran into that pro
00:10.40jelly-homeDustyBin: fwiw, jumbo frames amount to a drop in cpu usage, but not much speed change
00:10.53hunger__picard yeah, I was able to go into the BIOS and saw the drive is detected so i'm confused, I did this once before but with a live CD (this machine has no cdrom)
00:10.58DustyBinaye i dont mind about CPU
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00:11.13hunger__let me double check the cables again
00:11.21DustyBinmy server is loaded with a OTT pentium 3.2
00:11.34jelly-homeDustyBin: try finding a crossover cat 5e or cat 6 and doing some tests without the switch
00:11.40ale777how to hide "Authenticating with public key" message when I login?
00:11.41DustyBinok
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00:12.40jelly-homein real life I'm happy if I get 400Mbps sustained from disk. :-)
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00:14.23hunger__ok, all cables connected not sure why the drive is not detected
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00:14.40abrotmanhunger__: which controller?
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00:15.59hunger__abrot not sure let me check the mobo manual
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00:18.56hunger__look like via's, VT8237A and VT8237S
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00:20.01HNSvia is the root of all evil
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00:20.52abrotmanthere are worse hardware companies
00:21.05abrotmanhunger__: /msg dpkg kmuto .. maybe try a newer kernel
00:21.16HNSIt's actually strange that amd's work better on nvia than on via
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00:21.39HNSnvidia
00:21.40HNS*
00:21.47hunger__abrot yeah I was thinking about updating the kernel, this one was built a few months ago I think
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00:23.17hunger__cool, thanks abrot
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00:26.30atlfalcons866__is reiserfs faster than ext3
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00:26.52HNSyes
00:27.05HNSand Hans Reiser is like the coolest dude ever
00:27.38dondelelcaro!reiserfs
00:27.38dpkgi guess reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features.  See http://www.namesys.com.  It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash.  As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser.  See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems.  Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs>
00:27.55abrotmanatlfalcons866__: likely not
00:27.57OminousZI've heard reiserfs is good for smaller files, like, say, session data
00:28.30HNSdpkg troll :p
00:30.01dondelelcarowere it were a troll; it's unfortunatly there because of experience in this channel.
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00:31.06gravityHanz Rulz
00:31.21HNSYes, I know the story, It's jus politics :p
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00:38.44Supaplex!ext3 vs reiserfs
00:38.44dpkgsomebody said ext3 vs reiserfs was http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php
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00:41.49abrotman!fs comparison
00:41.49dpkgwell, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html
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00:43.51streuner!filesystems
00:43.51dpkgJournaling filesystems in a nutshell:  <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs.  medium-speed but reliable: ext3.  fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs.  slow, probably reliable: jfs.  unknown, probably buggy: reiser4.  If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/
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00:50.10HNSgood nightr
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00:51.31aarcaneHi, I've followed this howto to install debian: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/DebianDomU but I don't know where to find the last step "run base-config".  where do I find this, and is it essential ?
00:52.14Supaplexbase-config sounds pre-sarge
00:52.30Supaplex!base-config
00:52.30dpkgfrom memory, base-config is something to run to configure your base install and is obsolete in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status and see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 for manual setup instructions
00:52.40aarcaneokay, thanks :)
00:52.40Supaplexahh. sarge or earlier.
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00:53.10aarcanemost excellent
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00:55.22MrWGWSFTP is included with Debian's OpenSSH, I hope?
00:55.25MrWGWand enabled by default?
00:55.28MrWGWif not, how do I enable it?
00:55.49kgoetzi think so. just install openssh-server iirc
00:55.55MrWGWOpenSSH is installed
00:55.59MrWGWI'm logged in via it
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00:56.49simmerzon a debian machine using ldap for auth, why would I have "I have no name!@host" as my prompt?
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00:57.47erpoI'm getting 2.7-2.8MB/sec write performance for both brand new SATA drives I just installed. If they were ATA drives, I would instantly think "DMA", but that shouldn't be a problem here. Any idea what the problem might be?
00:58.17aarcaneis 32 MB enough to run debian, sshd, and support several ssh connections in->out ?
00:58.37abrotmanmaybe but it wont be fast
00:58.37kgoetzsarge perhaps
00:58.42Supaplexaarcane: this is no openwrt :)
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00:58.48abrotmanetch will install
00:58.55kgoetzreally?
00:58.57kgoetzhm.
00:59.00erpoHmm. Read performance is good, though.
00:59.22aarcanewell, it's a xen domU, and I just want to set up an SSH gateway of sorts..
01:00.01abrotmanoh .. the IG says 48MB ..
01:00.05abrotmanfor the install ..
01:00.11abrotmanbut i know it runs in less
01:00.12test2how can i get the module k8temp on etch please? ip02:/home/test2# modprobe  k8temp
01:00.12test2FATAL: Module k8temp not found.
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01:00.23Azarsimmerz: the way I remember, when you create an user you would opt to/not to create a user profile..
01:00.46abrotman!find k8temp etch
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01:00.48simmerzAzar: ??
01:00.55nkuttleraarcane: maybe you should do some port forwarding rather than connecting to it directly
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01:01.08simmerzAzar: it should just give me the username back in place of "I have no name!"
01:01.10Azarsimmerz: user profile where you put a name, and some other personal info
01:01.30kgoetzsimmerz: doesnt sound like an ldap problem, sounds like a .bashrc problem
01:01.53Azarsimmerz: it could be username: mikeb and his profile mike brennan@host
01:02.11aarcanenkuttler, the thing is there are a bunch of different hosts on the LAN that I may want to SSH in to, so I'm forwarding to a single SSH proxy, from which I intend to SSH out to wherever I want to connect to.
01:02.49simmerzok, except this is a clean install except for slapd/ldap auth
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01:02.53simmerzno change to the profile
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01:03.04simmerzand I always get simmerz@host normally
01:04.58rance1im running vmware on a debian etch kde workstation, and Im trying to figure out how to make sound available to the vms via the emulated sound card.  so far im not having any luck.  Google is not returning helpful information, and Im just confused about what to try?
01:11.13abrotmanrance1: have you asked #vmware?
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01:15.45el_alexlunahi all1!
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01:16.19K|NgGh0sTI assume, status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
01:16.25K|NgGh0sTmeans my HDD is dead?
01:17.04el_alexlunai'm afraid that its dead
01:17.35streunerK|NgGh0sT: check out smartmontools, but usually yes
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01:17.58K|NgGh0sTdamnit, I knew I should of done raid
01:18.09comperrwhats the debian equiv of ifconfig ?
01:18.19streunerifconfig ;-)
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01:18.43streuneryou mean prolly ipconfig?
01:19.16comperr....@...$ ifconfig
01:19.17comperr-bash: ifconfig: command not found
01:19.21K|NgGh0sTstreuner, how can I do that if I cant boot?
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01:19.59picard_pwns_kirkuse a live cd, K|NgGh0sT
01:20.02streunerK|NgGh0sT: sometimes that bitch just work
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01:20.09el_alexlunahi all!
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01:21.23streunerK|NgGh0sT: but if it even boot you are fucked
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01:21.25K|NgGh0sTNo way to try and recover data?
01:21.25streunerbackup ;-)
01:21.33streunerother methods are pretty expensive
01:21.39streunerwhat kind of data?
01:21.40K|NgGh0sTI was actually trying to backup when this happened
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01:22.11K|NgGh0sTAll my school work
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01:23.00astra-xdoes anyone know if the bug still exists for xorg in debian (etch, ubuntu) for sparc system that have the certian ati chipset that has a bug?
01:24.07abrotmanetch is not ubuntu
01:24.40abrotman!bts
01:24.40dpkgit has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
01:25.01karstendondelelcaro: reiserfs has a repair utility.
01:25.05karstendondelelcaro: It's called backups.
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01:25.55abrotmankarsten: thats' not funy!
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01:26.05vorpalwb
01:26.12streunerkarsten: haha
01:26.24streuner!start a fs war
01:26.25dpkgufs will eat all your data!!
01:26.28abrotmansee .. when the german guy laughs .. you know it's not funny
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01:26.36abrotman!laptop
01:26.36dpkgi guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/  For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
01:26.39streunerabrotman: haha
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01:26.51abrotmanit wasn't a joke ...
01:26.52vorpalsweet as
01:27.01vorpalthanks, mate
01:27.34streunerabrotman: i know you are serious, but i must smile anyway :-)
01:27.43astra-xdebian on sparc ultra 10, anyone have any luck with graphical desktop?
01:27.52karstenvorpal: I'm highly partial to ThinkPads.  Some folks like Apple HW but I can't stand the keyboards or touchpads & single mouse buttons.
01:27.54Azarhmmm that rather apply for a brit... they don't want to show off their emotions
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01:28.21vorpalkarsten, ah, i was inclined that way, too.  thanks
01:28.24karstenabrotman: I didn't say it was funny.
01:28.28streunerabrotman: see, nobody recommend in #debian reiserfs, so calm down ;-)
01:28.29abrotmanastra-x: you'd have to give more details
01:28.30abrotman!sparc
01:28.30dpkgwell, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org.  For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc
01:28.38kgoetz<3 sparc
01:29.03abrotmandpkg: sparc =~ s/debian-sparc/debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net/
01:29.03dpkgabrotman: OK
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01:29.14kgoetzabrotman: heh. i was about to suggest that
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01:29.26streunerabrotman: in fact, §somebody can say whatever s(he) want, nobody would listen too much about that (reiserfs)
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01:30.26streunerabrotman: besides, what FS do you use? ;-)
01:31.04abrotmanstreuner: ntfs!
01:31.23streunerok, that explains everything
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01:31.42Daemonanyone know why the install is hanging on 5% for etch on dell poweredge 1050 ????
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01:31.49dondelelcarokgoetz: right
01:31.52erpoHey, I use ntfs on Linux too. :)
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01:37.00Azarhehehe Thunderbird junks itself: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200711/error'd/spam.gif
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01:37.26streunerWhat does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
01:38.22streunerargh
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01:38.59gravitywill be
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01:39.40gravityAzar: It's an extension of what's already there, the same way ext3 was
01:40.34alamarcan somebody please confirm that couriermaildrop has no mysql support on etch?
01:41.02streunerget the source and find out
01:41.15streunerdebian/rules would tell you about
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01:41.28streuneror look at the depends
01:41.58abrotmanisn't there a courier mysql package?
01:42.40NiLonalamar I think that there is..
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01:43.21NiLonalamar http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch
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01:43.42NiLonI don't actually know content of that but you should check it :)
01:44.02alamarNiLon: I think it's one of those I read
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01:47.43onvsopheya all :)
01:47.52onvsopwould anyone be able to help me with a problem
01:48.06streunerjust ask
01:48.14onvsopi haev just switched too debian, come from a spaclware, red-hat, gentoo background
01:48.26onvsopi have noticed that charactes are showing up wrong in my terminal
01:48.31onvsopalso through ssh
01:48.37Daemoncan i still get a copy of sarge to download? or only etch?
01:48.44abrotmanDaemon: you can
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01:48.53Daemoncan u link me please?
01:48.54abrotmanonvsop: you may need more locales
01:49.01abrotmanDaemon: ftp.ch.debian.org has sarge ISOs
01:49.08onvsopthanks abrotman
01:49.09Daemoncant get etch to work for the life of me so mught as well try sarge
01:49.12onvsopwhat should i do exactly
01:49.14abrotmandpkg-reconfigure locales
01:49.38onvsopchamp :D
01:49.54onvsopshould i do al?
01:49.55onvsopall?
01:50.18onvsopprob not hey
01:50.19onvsophehe
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01:51.05onvsophmm should i pick the utd-8 one
01:51.11onvsopas default?
01:51.16onvsoputf-8
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01:52.03picard_pwns_kirkI need help compiling/installing Atheros drivers
01:52.10onvsopas in en_US or en_US.UTF-8?
01:52.12abrotman!madwifi install
01:52.13dpkgwell, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
01:52.24abrotmanonvsop: en_US.UTF-8 works pretty well
01:52.27picard_pwns_kirkthat requires a net connection
01:52.56picard_pwns_kirkmy ethernet jack doesn't work
01:52.56abrotmanyou have no wires ?
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01:52.59abrotmancute
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01:53.25wols_picard_pwns_kirk: and? you currently are on the internet
01:53.37picard_pwns_kirkI'm using a laptop
01:53.43wols_and?
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01:53.58wols_you now have an internet connection and can download whatever you need
01:54.12picard_pwns_kirkI came to get help
01:54.27wols_and abrotman gave you help via dpkg
01:54.42picard_pwns_kirkmake returns a slew of errors about the kernel location or something
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01:55.00wols_!tell picard_pwns_kirk about errors
01:55.17picard_pwns_kirkokay
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01:56.03elite_chaosHi everyone there is a new site out that is real great!!! This site is called Wired Geeks Forums and is based on Computer Security, hacking, gaming, warez, and also many more things. This is a fast growing community. Please check it out at http://www.wgforums.com
01:56.13boitonoHelp! I am the lesser part of a two man team to put together a new IPS firewall product.  The other guy wants to use RedHat because of two reasons, A: he prefers it and B: because it's DoD COE certified.  I need some solid selling points for us to move forward with Debian, the clear winner in my mind.
01:56.41simmerzAzar: kgoetz: it was because libnss-ldap.conf wasn't world readable.
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01:58.10wols_!why debian
01:58.10dpkghttp://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/
01:58.14abrotmanbrian ?
01:58.14picard_pwns_kirk<PROTECTED>
01:58.19picard_pwns_kirkthere
01:58.33wols_picard_pwns_kirk: install the kernel headers for your kernel
01:58.47picard_pwns_kirkokay
01:58.50abrotmanmore intarweb needed
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01:59.01abrotmanand might as well just get the freaking debian atheros m-a sources
01:59.52acuI want to stop vlc and the gui disapeared - what is ctrl-alt-del for debian ?
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02:00.25Bryansteinacu
02:00.31erpoacu: That depends on what you mean by ctrl-alt-del.
02:00.40Bryansteinyou just want to kill a process?
02:00.41picard_pwns_kirkI'll get back on if I have any other questions, thanks a million, wols_
02:00.50acuwant to kill a process
02:01.08erpoacu: gnome-system-monitor is good if you just came from windows.
02:02.04erpoacu: At some point, you should learn about the commands ps, kill, killall, and xkill.
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02:03.10acuerpo: thanks got system monitor - job done - thanks (it required three neurons but no alcohol)
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02:07.38picard_pwns_kirksorry to bother you all again
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02:08.03picard_pwns_kirkare there any .debs available for madwifi?
02:08.28amphipicard_pwns_kirk: yes, in non-free I believe
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02:08.52picard_pwns_kirkcan you give me a link from which I can download this package?
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02:10.22okie_dokiewhat app that i can play real player files?
02:10.33okie_dokieaka *.rm media files
02:10.52cishpixwhat is the command that must I use for
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02:11.00cishpixcheck who is login in NIS server
02:11.18okie_dokiego blow, me first
02:11.29TiMiDolol
02:11.56okie_dokieis that a package similar to the real player and plays *.rm?
02:12.00abrotmanamphi: those are source pacakges
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02:19.21abrotman!qotd0
02:19.29abrotmanoh well
02:20.12K|NgGh0sTBuffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 0 <--- Whats that mean?
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02:21.15Supaplexetch amd64, what gives? :) E: Build-Depends dependency for gcc-4.1 cannot be satisfied because the package gcc-multilib cannot be found
02:21.31Supaplexusing http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers
02:21.39Daemonis there anyone here who actually knows what their talking about?
02:21.46Daemoni dont think there is
02:21.58OminousZConsidering I'm not talking, yes.
02:22.02OminousZ:-)
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02:22.20K|NgGh0sTI'm typing!
02:22.29DaemonOminousZ 0 fancy yourself as a bit of a guru?
02:22.34OminousZThough, I do happen to know a thing or two about how not to piss people off.
02:23.13OminousZDaemon, your query, when applied to my statement and answer, would result in me knowing nothing.
02:23.26OminousZthe former query, that is.
02:23.36Daemonfigures cos no ones really does know anything in here
02:23.40Daemonjust pretend to
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02:23.53OminousZWell then, how can you definitively say what others know?
02:24.03OminousZBecause I can only assume that is inclusive of you
02:24.19OminousZand if you know nothing, then anything you say is based not on knowledge, and thus useless
02:24.19Daemonabsolutely
02:24.19Kevin`how do you build a kernel the debian way?
02:24.39abrotman!kp
02:24.48abrotmanKevin`: you use make-kpkg
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02:24.52DaemonOminousZ - nice theory but knowing nothing i can still spot a bullshitter :)
02:24.55methodswhat imap server does debian use by deafult ?
02:25.07Supaplexmethods: none. try <search>
02:25.07Kevin`abrotman in place of make? will that generate an appropriate initrd?
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02:25.31cishpixhelp me please
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02:25.33abrotmanKevin`: rough method .. get your config the way you want it .. make-kpkg --initrd --binary-all <other options you want>
02:25.37cishpixwhat is the command that must I use for
02:25.40cishpixcheck who is login in NIS server?
02:25.46abrotmanKevin`: when it's done .. you get four .deb files
02:25.48OminousZDaemon, That's good to know. I'll be sure to ask for your services when I'm looking to annoy.
02:25.52Kevin`k
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02:26.02abrotmanravenbird: kp
02:26.03ravenbirdi heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package  build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg'
02:26.06abrotmanthere you go
02:26.16DaemonOminousZ - annoying is not my talent, spotting bullshiters is
02:26.23abrotmanDaemon: are you done?
02:26.26OminousZWho would have guessed :-)
02:26.35Daemonabrotman - done what?
02:26.38Gh0steeabrotman, know an easy way to see if a drive is toasted or not?
02:26.39abrotmanbeing a fucktard
02:26.43Kevin`dpkg -i dpkg?
02:26.52Daemonyeah just saying my peace cos im pissed off
02:26.52okie_dokieya
02:26.53abrotmanKevin`: the ones you want .. yes
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02:27.01abrotmanDaemon: do it elsewhere
02:27.04Kevin`that was a question to the bot :)
02:27.04OminousZWhat's got you pissed off?
02:27.10Daemonabrotman - too late, done it here
02:27.20abrotmanDaemon: please stop
02:27.30abrotmanGh0stee: are you having errors?
02:27.48DaemonOminousZ - seriously.... been at this server for 16 hours now non stop and no one seems to be able to help me and ive got a courier picking it up n 7 hours
02:28.00abrotmanstop buying dell?
02:28.09Daemonbit late now
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02:28.21Gh0steeabrotman, I rebooted and then Grub frooze... been trying to repair it
02:28.23abrotmandid you try expert mode?
02:28.25OminousZ16 hours nonstop? No wonder you're cranky.
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02:28.39Daemonabrotman - no cos im not an expert
02:28.41dondelelcaroDaemon: if you have an actual question, ask. If you want to abuse people, please do it elsewhere.
02:28.42magicherehei, everybody how to install intel 815 graphic card
02:28.51abrotmanDaemon: use it .. it asks more questions
02:28.55Kevin`Daemon what's your problem, I don't see it in my backlog
02:29.06abrotmanmagichere: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. choose the i810 driver
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02:29.28magichereoh,Thx
02:29.57DaemonKevin` - i have a dell poweredge 1950 server with sas drives and im trying to get etch on it and its got a problem and doesnt like the drives so hangs all the time. ive tried different builds and one gets me through the installation but then hangs on boot
02:30.19Supaplex"a problem"
02:30.22OminousZpoweredge sounds familiar....
02:30.24astra-xDaemon: have you tried Gentoo?
02:30.24dondelelcaroDaemon: and you've used the noacpi option? where does it hang on boot?
02:30.30Kevin`Daemon are these drivers in kernel.org?
02:30.43OminousZI beleive I had issues with a dell poweredge server earlier this year...
02:30.46abrotmannoapic ?
02:30.52Kevin`Daemon if not, how are you using them for the install
02:31.05Daemonastra-x - i need debian (long stroy) - Kevin` - wouldnt know what i was looking for cos im a noob
02:31.41Daemonjust got to get it on here somehow
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02:32.01Daemoni know it will go on just i have no technical expertease
02:32.12Daemonbut im willing topay the man that helps me sort it
02:32.15lontraanyone know how i can create 4 columns in oo.org2 that are full page length?
02:32.17Kevin`Daemon after this amount of time, I would build a custom kernel targeted toward the machine from another box, enable debugging, and try running it with that
02:32.21Daemonthats bloody desperate now
02:32.23dondelelcaroDaemon: answering the questions that are asked will help
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02:32.39dondelelcaroDaemon: When does it hang? Does the etch installer work?
02:32.43Kevin`Daemon is there a message before it hangs, and are you sure this is a drive problem
02:32.49Supaplexeg, <custom netinst>
02:33.30Daemonthere's no error it sjust hangs on 18% of downloading the software to install it. It actually gets the software but doesnt install it. Just hangs after the download
02:33.36Daemonno error at all
02:33.51Supaplexsyslog and install messages are on other ttys
02:33.51Daemonsits there and smiles
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02:34.04dondelelcaroDaemon: at which part of downloading the software?
02:34.05Kevin`try a different mirror or an install without downloading anything (one way or another - first full cd would work)
02:34.16dondelelcaroDaemon: what are the messages on console 4 and 5 at that moment?
02:34.20Daemondondelelcaro - just after its done it
02:34.23OminousZif I remember correctly, the Dell Poweredge server I had so much trouble with earlier this year required a certain driver from Dell (that was included originally, but since the IT dept. at Uni are lame, they didn't pass cd's/drivers originally included) in order for the RAID to work with *nix
02:34.27Kevin`Daemon also, you can look at the other consoles while the install is running to get some idea of what the problem is
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02:34.42dondelelcaroDaemon: does it actually hang? or does the installer stop responding?
02:34.44Daemondondelelcaro - hang on i'll show u cos i typed it out earlier
02:34.44Kevin`Daemon your just doing the Standard Install option, right?
02:34.44abrotmandpkg: you came back!
02:34.54OminousZI'm looking over that particular server's stats, though... and I'm not seeing anything in particular that points to this same solution
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02:35.10abrotmanheh
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02:35.12Daemoni can still ctrl + alt + f2 or f3 or f4 but it stops installing
02:35.14OminousZeep
02:35.22abrotmanDaemon: so tell us what it says in the logging console
02:35.33Daemonhang on while i find my earlier pastebin
02:35.40dondelelcaroDaemon: it'd also be useful to know which installer you're using
02:35.54Daemonetch r1
02:35.55OminousZOh, nope, you might need that driver after all...
02:36.25Azarwhat we were muted for a moment? funny
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02:36.45OminousZWe're a bunch of yappin' fools ;-)
02:36.48Daemonhttp://pastebin.ca/764980 << thats what the terminal shows at the point it stops installing
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02:37.18Azarno, I think it was because of rejoins after server restore
02:37.24Azarah see? dpkg is back
02:37.38OminousZAh, could be Azar... I tend to not even see join/parts anymore...
02:37.44dondelelcaronah, the box that debhelper was on activated the OOM which lagged it out
02:37.49Daemoni tried a different installer and got it to install but when it rebooted after instaltion i got this error..... ALERT" /dev/sdb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!, check your root= boot arguemnt (cat /proc/cmdline). Check for missing modules (cat /pro/modules), or device files (ls /dev)
02:37.58Kevin`the url in this looks like it might be appropriate, someone mentioned it before
02:38.01Kevin`!custom netinst
02:38.01dpkgit has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni>
02:38.04Azarah haha, thanks for clearing up dondelecaro
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02:38.29Kevin`looks like it might be out of date
02:38.36dondelelcaroDaemon: at that point it's running the configuration
02:38.36ginomanHey, I'm running Debian etch i386 and I was just wondering if it would mess up my system if I compiled and ran the 2.6.23-1 kernel from www.kernel.org without the debian patches
02:38.42dondelelcaroDaemon: which installer is that?
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02:39.12Azarginoman: why not using a sid backport?
02:39.12Daemondondelelcaro - the one that gets me through the installtion or the other one?
02:39.13dondelelcaroDaemon: and the message that you're getting is because the root device that you selected doesn't exist, possibly because you didn't install a kernel which has the drivers for it and/or include the drivers in the initrd.
02:39.27dondelelcaroDaemon: whatever installer stops
02:39.27ginomancuz I just want to try and compile my own kernel
02:39.36kgoetzis there a debian equilvilant of ubuntus 'ubuntu-base' metapackage? (i'm asking out of intrest more then need)
02:39.38Azarginoman: ok one sec
02:39.38Daemondondelelcaro - the latest etch build
02:39.46dondelelcaroDaemon: which one?
02:39.48nkuttlerginoman: keep one working kernel
02:39.55ginomanI will
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02:40.09Daemondondelelcaro - debian-40r1-i386-netinst
02:40.21Azarginoman: some general guidelines: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch
02:40.38dondelelcaroDaemon: ok; that one should work, assuming you can actually get the SAS drives working; which is the version that was able to complete installing?
02:41.13Daemondondelelcaro - i couldnt tell you because ive tried so many i cant remember where i downloaded it from
02:41.25Daemonive still got the cd but dont know which version it is
02:41.49ginomanthanks
02:42.09dondelelcaroDaemon: so boot of whatever cd it was that worked, mount the root device of your presumably working install, and see what drivers you have loaded for the SAS device, and what kernel is running.
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02:42.36dondelelcaroDaemon: if it's a recent installer, it will have a rescue mode which will be able to do that for you, even.
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02:42.43Daemondondelelcaro - i have no idea what you said but would you be willing to walk me though it please?
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02:43.08Daemon$$$
02:43.11dondelelcaroDaemon: just start from what you can understand and ask questions. I or someone else will answer.
02:43.35Daemonok let me ge tthe cd in the bloody thing
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02:44.26abrotmanDaemon: is this a CERC or PERC controller?
02:44.33OminousZPERC
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02:44.47Daemoni think it perc
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02:45.01DaemonOminousZ - how do u know?
02:45.15DaemonOminousZ - cant pm u back cos im not registered
02:45.15OminousZhttp://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_1950?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~section=specs#tabtop
02:45.21OminousZno worries
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02:45.55Daemonjust installing the version that gets me though the installation but fails on reboot
02:46.31dondelelcaroDaemon: don't install it; just boot using the cd.
02:46.35Daemonyeah thats what i have
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02:46.56Daemondondelelcaro - to the install menu?
02:47.00dondelelcaroDaemon: use the rescue mode at the initial boot prompt
02:47.25Daemonbut ive tried other versions of the install since i tried this one?
02:47.31ujy99hi. installing a new debian box. getting hang @ install cd - "ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0"
02:47.47Daemonshould i install this one again then boot the rescue?
02:47.57abrotmangod .. linux.dell.com is so out of date and useless
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02:48.14robinkAnyone know where I can find a debootstrap binary tarball?
02:48.14Daemoni appreciate this guys cos im lost btw
02:48.18ujy99any ideas?
02:48.19dondelelcaroDaemon: did any of those other installs actually manage to install?
02:48.26dondelelcaroujy99: boot with noacpi
02:48.27robinkOr debootstrap untarred, I don't really care.  As long as it's not a dpkg.
02:48.45Daemondondelelcaro - only one, and i have the cd in now, but ive used another one since then.... want me to re-install it?
02:48.46dondelelcarorobink: the package debootstrap?
02:48.55robinkdondelelcaro: The debootstrap script/binary.
02:49.08dondelelcarorobink: just get the deb and unar/untar it.
02:49.10robinkdondelelcaro: I need to install Debian w/o the use of a Debian LiveCD (oddly enough, the netinstall LiveCD does not have network drivers).
02:49.14robinkdondelelcaro: Understood.
02:49.15Daemondondelelcaro - but it fails on reboot as soon as its installed
02:49.30dondelelcarorobink: though there is an rpm of it around
02:49.37robinkdondelelcaro: That's worse.
02:49.44robinkdondelelcaro: I'm currently on Gentoo and using a Gentoo LiveCD to isntall.
02:49.46ujy99dondelelcaro: did "install noacpi" nothing
02:49.49robinks/sn/ns/
02:49.53dondelelcaroDaemon: well, go ahead and reinstall it
02:49.56Daemonok
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02:50.01dondelelcaroDaemon: but don't reboot
02:50.13dondelelcaroDaemon: just go to the end of the installation, and stop there.
02:50.35Daemondondelelcaro - ok then i'll give you a shout
02:50.36dondelelcaroujy99: try the other options on F3 iirc
02:51.20robinkdondelelcaro: Is there a specific version I should download?  I don't want to grep through the Etch Packages.bz2
02:51.34ujy99dondelelcaro: worked (install acpi=off) fyi
02:51.35ujy99thx
02:52.00dondelelcarorobink: any will work; http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/
02:52.12dondelelcaroujy99: yeah, it's generally one of the set of those options that does it
02:52.15robinkdondelelcaro: I'm there now (well, same directory on a mirror).
02:52.23Daemondondelelcaro - doesnt it reboot itself after the install?
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02:52.45dondelelcaroDaemon: not if you don't press return at the end
02:53.00Daemonwhich is the last step then i should stop at?
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02:53.27ginomanwhat is the tickless system?
02:53.28dondelelcaroDaemon: when it asks you to remove the cd and reboot, of course.
02:53.37robinkdondelelcaro: It would seem I can't 'just untar' the .deb file as it is not either in a gzip or bzip2 form.
02:53.45robinkdondelelcaro: It is of course not a raw .tar file either.
02:53.46Daemonok didnt think it was that obvious, thought it did it itself
02:53.48abrotmanrobink: it's an 'ar' file
02:53.52robinkabrotman: I see...
02:53.59abrotmanrobink: ar x file.deb
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02:54.46dondelelcarorobink: yeah, the unar/untar bit wasn't a typo. ;-)
02:54.55robinkabrotman: OK
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02:56.17robinkHeck with it, I'm installing the Gentoo ebuild and scping it from the Gentoo LiveCD environment on the target.
02:56.19Daemondondelelcaro - ok its finnished the install, ejected the cd and asking me to press continue to reboot
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02:58.29Supaplexhttp://rafb.net/p/Cfeg5A67.html how do I get/create these other packages around lines 30+?
02:58.45robinkIn debootstrap-1.0.6, why are lenny and etch symlinks to sid?
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02:58.52robinketch should be stable and lenny testing, no?
02:59.23ginomanyes
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03:00.01dondelelcaroDaemon: so open a console, run uname -r; then mount the target (if it isn't already mounted on /target) and run dpkg -l linux*; give the output in a paste site.
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03:00.29dondelelcarorobink: because the same script works for all of them and it reads $0
03:00.29Daemondondelelcaro - do i do ctrl + alt + f2 first?
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03:00.34dondelelcaroDaemon: yes.
03:00.38Daemonok
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03:01.06Daemonuname -r = 2.6.22-2-486
03:01.47Daemonhow do i mounth the targer?
03:01.50Daemontarget ?
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03:01.59asdxhi
03:02.04asdxis there a termcap package in etch?
03:02.27abrotmanasdx: apt-cache termcap
03:02.32abrotmanerm .. apt-cache search
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03:02.47peterSasdx: termcap went away a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time ago
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03:03.00peterSasdx: what you probably want is libncurses5-dev
03:03.06abrotmanwasn't it still there in woody?
03:03.06Daemondondelelcaro - you said mount the target, what do you mean please?
03:03.20peterSabrotman: possibly.  I thought it was longer ago than that
03:03.23asdxpeterS: is there a way to get it?
03:03.34peterSasdx: why do you need it?  ncurses does the same thing now
03:03.39onvsophey abrotman, yuo there - thanks for your help earlier i had to step out suddenly
03:03.47abrotmanonvsop: get it working ?
03:04.10onvsopnah.. :( after i change the locales do i have to restart anything
03:04.23ujy99new problem. debian installer cannot pickup my IDE cdrom
03:04.50asdxpeterS: i want to compile asterisk
03:04.54onvsopcould it be something with /etc/inputrc
03:04.55asdxpeterS: asterisk wants it
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03:05.06peterSasdx: surely asterisk can be satisfied with libncurses5-dev
03:05.13onvsopoh trhat only for inoput
03:05.23peterSasdx: also, asterisk packages already exist in debian, you might think twice about bothering to build your own version in the first place
03:05.38abrotmanand there's an unofficial repo for newer ones even
03:05.56peterSonvsop: if you re-login, your new session will get the contents of /etc/default/locale or /etc/environment
03:06.57asdxpeterS: ok
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03:07.26onvsopcheers peterS
03:07.28Daemondondelelcaro ?
03:07.32onvsopstill having this wierd problem :(
03:07.36peterSwhy does a PBX server need termcap anyway?  for TTD support? (:
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03:08.08asdxpeterS: termcap did the same thing that ncurses does now right?
03:08.39peterSasdx: right.  first there was termcap, then there was terminfo and curses, now we use ncurses which handles both terminfo and curses
03:08.53asdxpeterS: nice
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03:09.14onvsopwhen i ssh the ' characters show up as  & â
03:09.44onvsopand localy they show up as that square block character
03:09.45onvsop:(
03:09.47grendal_primehey i need to enable paging on my debian box..i need to reconfigure exim4 correct? so it can email out to a known smtp server?
03:09.48onvsopwierd hey
03:09.48peterSonvsop: probably when you paste ' you are really pasting the non-ascii right single quote character, and your character set stuff isn't defined consistently everywhere
03:10.18onvsopnah anything, even in man pages shows up like that
03:10.23onvsop:(
03:10.26mohamed_hello all, i have a question about framebuffer , anyone can help me to configure it ?
03:10.39peterSonvsop: right so the remote end is using UTF-8 and renders quote marks in Unicode, but your local terminal isn't using UTF-8 so you see something weird instead
03:10.39ujy99i did a "install acpi=off" and setup now tells me it can't find a cdrom.
03:10.57asdxpeterS: i see asterisk has some menuselect in the Makefile, it's a nice menu for selecting the things you want for the build, maybe that uses the termcap, but it compiled fine with ncurses now
03:11.10onvsopmy local terminal shows ' as that swuare block character
03:11.12asdxpeterS: i will take a look at the debian packages anyway ;)
03:11.20onvsopand in ssh i see  or â
03:11.23peterSasdx: yeah, probably stuff like that.  I was mostly joking, I know there are uses for ncurses in the user interface of PBX software
03:11.38asdxpeterS: ok
03:11.57peterSonvsop: on your local Linux text console you might try running, as root, 'unicode_start'
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03:12.08peterSonvsop: there's a bug where this doesn't always run correctly at boot time
03:12.53peterSonvsop: if you're in an xterm and you see this behavior, I don't know what causes that, because in the default Debian install, I think the X-based terminal windows all support Unicode fine by default
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03:13.28onvsopi did unicode_start
03:13.40onvsopand it gives me: Already in UTF-8 Mode
03:13.43onvsop:(
03:13.49peterSok try unicode_stop then unicode_start
03:14.38onvsopsame thing is happening ;(
03:14.45onvsopchanks for your help peterS
03:14.47onvsopthanks
03:15.55ujy99installer still can't find cdrom
03:16.05ujy99did a dmesg and nothing
03:16.05peterSit is possible that the error goes the other direction: your local console uses Unicode / UTF-8 but the remote end does not
03:17.02onvsopbut even locally things show up wrong ;(
03:17.15onvsopthe ' shows as the square block character
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03:17.38peterSit is not clear to me whether you are referring to a text console or an X console window, and if the latter, which one
03:17.45onvsoptext xonsole
03:17.49onvsoptext console sorry
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03:20.28Supaplexhow can gcc-4.1 have a build-dep of libc6-dev-i386-cross (>= 2.5) when 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4 is only available? host amd64, target i386
03:22.32dondelelcaroSupaplex: are you sure you're looking at the stable source package?
03:22.35Daemonok ive found a solution but i need debian netinstall kernal version 2.6.15, anyone know where i can get this from?
03:22.59Supaplexhumm
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03:23.31onvsophey peterS when i use the non-unicode locale all works fine :s
03:23.34dondelelcaroDaemon: you don't need that kernel.
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03:24.12dondelelcaroDaemon: just mount the target using mount /dev/sdb1 /target; (or whatever is correct) chroot /target; and verify that the kernel that is installed is the same version that the installer is using.
03:24.14Daemondondelelcaro - ive found a fix though and it says use that cos it gives me a working bootable system to work from and get it installed
03:24.27Supaplexah heck withit. I'll munge debian/control and see if I get away with lesser version deps. :-d
03:24.27ujy99if i do "install acpi=off" on the debian installer, it cannot pickup the CDROM
03:24.35ujy99any ideas?
03:24.46Daemondondelelcaro - ive tried that and it says failed, no such file or directory
03:24.57dondelelcaroDaemon: in the installer?
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03:25.15dondelelcaroDaemon: then look at dmesg and the logs and figure out what the proper root device is and mount that.
03:25.16Daemonin the terminal from the installer yes
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03:25.35dondelelcaroDaemon: /proc/partitions or ls -l /dev/; may be illuminating.
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03:26.05dondelelcarocat /proc/partitions
03:26.27Daemonthe seond command just scrolled loads of stuff
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03:47.02abrotmanDaemon-: have you tried either acpi=off or apic=noapic ?
03:47.02abrotmanor both
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03:47.02Daemon--i just type that at the install prompt?
03:47.02mortal1how do i reconfigure x like it did during the text based install?
03:49.24peterSdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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03:58.48stiv2kwhat is the channel for ndiswrapper?
03:59.18stiv2ki am so fed up with ndiswrapper randomly dropping my connection
03:59.32stiv2kit happens out of the blue, and doesnt work again unless i unload and reload the module
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04:10.18wert613there was a HUGE ntsplit eh?
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04:14.37stiv2kwhat is going on
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04:14.39simonrvnstiv2k: it's called a netsplit
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04:14.39stiv2ksimonrvn: i know
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04:15.30rdzsorry, if this is too ot, bu how can i uncomment a block of text with vim?
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04:17.51nepbabui assume this could possibly happen if one of AS is gone?
04:18.26nepbabuyeah reboot it baby
04:18.33nepbabu^_^
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04:28.37PiousMinionI've noticed that in ubuntu that if a dependency package is no longer needed that apt notifies you and provides a command to automatically remove these packages.  Is there a way to enable this in debian?
04:29.58stiv2kyes i would like that feature aswell
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04:30.38PiousMinionI'm not sure if it's a feature on a newer version of apt or if this is something ubuntu specific.
04:30.44ujy99i need serious help.... i tried the netinst of etch & lenny
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04:31.01PiousMinionujy99: sounds serious.
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04:31.11ujy99and the installer still can't pickup my IDE DVD Drive
04:32.13PiousMinionujy99: Tried a different cable and/or drive?
04:32.15daveintheskyctl-v, move to end of sel, d
04:32.37daveintheskyoops, x
04:32.38daveintheskynot d
04:32.40daveintheskyhaha vi
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04:33.09ujy99PiousMinion: i doubt thats the problem
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04:33.34ujy99in order to get the the installer i must do "install acpi=off" boot option
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04:34.05PiousMinionujy99: nothing else has worked and you havn't ruled it out.  Would take how many minutes?
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04:36.33PiousMinionwtf?
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04:37.02PiousMinionidk who "Peer" is but he's pissing a lot of people off at the moment.  :P
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04:37.49ujy99PiousMinion: just tried it, no luck
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04:38.32wolsujy99: what hardware do you have?
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04:39.25ujy99intel motherboard
04:39.38PiousMinionarch?
04:39.43ujy99g33
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04:40.06wolsujy99: what ide controller is it?
04:40.12wolscause intel chipsets don't have one
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04:41.56Aaronhey
04:42.05Aaroncan smoeone help me im having issued viewing my dvd,
04:42.05ujy99wols: can you be more specific
04:42.22wolswhat ide controller chip do you have in that mobo?
04:42.28PiousMinion"/msg dpkg lenny" state that "lenny is the binoculars".  what does that mean? heh
04:42.44wolsPiousMinion: toy story character. all debian releases are named after one
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04:42.45robinkdondelelcaro: Ah
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04:43.00wols!tell Aaron about ask
04:43.22ujy99wols: Intel® NH82801H I/O Controller Hub (ICH9DH)
04:43.24PiousMinionwols: I knew the release name scheme.  I thought lenny was the dog or something. thanks for clearing that up. lol
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04:43.39wolsujy99: no
04:43.47wols<PROTECTED>
04:43.58Ballsiushow do you install an older version of a package with apt-get install
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04:44.11PiousMinionAaron: Do you mean you can't see files on your DVD or that you cannot play a DVD movie?
04:45.25PiousMinionheh
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04:45.48daliasbleh how did latin1 crap get into device names database?
04:46.13ujy99wols: i thought the chipset controls the ide
04:46.26Ballsiushow do you install an older version of a package with apt-get install?
04:46.34wolsujy99: how often: intel chipsets have NO ide controllers anymore. SATA only
04:46.40rdzsorry, if this is too ot, bu how can i uncomment a block of text with vim?
04:46.48wolsBallsius: checked the howto?
04:46.55daliasno ide controller?
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04:46.58wols!apt-howto
04:46.58dpkgmethinks apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or aptitude install apt-howto-en
04:46.59daliasthat sounds ridiculous
04:47.07Ballsiusyeah i couldnt find info on it
04:47.15wolsdalias: not since i965 at least
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04:47.42daliasmeaning they can't use normal hard drives without an addon card?
04:48.10Ballsiusdoes anyone know how to install an older version with apt-get
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04:48.29PiousMiniondalias: I think he means the chipset itself doesn't have the controller, but the controller itself may be elsewhere on the board.  I'm speculating of course.
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04:48.39Ballsiusi was unable to find relevant informatin in the howto
04:48.40daliasah that would make sense perhaps
04:48.48ujy99so where do i stand?
04:48.51wolsBallsius: check the -t option
04:48.54daliasi can't imagine a board not being able to use a normal ide hd...
04:49.03daliasthat would be idiotic beyond all imagination
04:49.03xacierhmm
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04:49.25wolsdalias: intel boards usually can't boot from IDE anymore
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04:50.05daliaswtf
04:50.29wolsmost intel based boards come with an extra IDE chip so you can put in IDE devices, but you can't boot from them since it's a sucky chip
04:50.29PiousMinionujy99: I beleive knowing the name of the ide controller chip would help a lot in determining what the problem is. I'm clueless, but wols seems to know what's he's talking about.
04:50.46wols!tell ujy99 about kmuto
04:50.54wolsujy99: have you tried this installer?
04:50.57daliaswols, wow i won't be buying any of their crap..
04:51.29wolsyou shouldn't buy IDE devices anymore anyways
04:51.32ujy99wols: no
04:51.35PiousMinionwols: ujy99 has booted from his IDE dvd drive.  Would that mean his intel chipset has an IDE controller?
04:51.46wolsPiousMinion: yes
04:52.03wolsbut we still don't know which controller it iss
04:52.05ujy99wols: should i try the 1013 or 0720 iso?
04:52.21shogunxwols is correct.  tho i would still choose scsi over sata for generally higher manufacturing quality.
04:52.41wolsujy99: the one with the newest kernel
04:53.01wolsshogunx: not worth it for most people
04:53.04ujy99man.... i hope this works
04:53.20ujy99my asus board died so im try an intel board
04:53.38wolsujy99: right now, intel is the proper choice
04:53.39shogunxwols  for a everyday box, probably not.  a server most likely would be worth it tho.
04:53.46wolsnot necessarily a G series
04:54.00wolsshogunx: lower end serves are mostly SATA nowadays
04:54.28sussudioSTOP SCANNING ME
04:54.54ujy99wols: does this installer effect etch later on?
04:54.57daliaswols, i have no interest in any drive that can't work in machine made in the past 15 years
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04:55.02wolsujy99: how do you mean?
04:55.17daliasi don't buy backup hardware. if hardware fails i pull random junk out of the closet and hook it up
04:55.19wolsdalias: good luck finding RLL controllers
04:55.24schmicknoob question ... I need to get and install a driver from sourceforge.net... it's the Linux driver for the ZyDAS ZD1211(b) 802.11a/b/g USB WLAN chip.
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04:55.32K`zanHi folks, I find refernce to this, but aptitude can't find it, was it dropped or something?: utf8-migration-tool
04:55.32daliasand i'm sure as hell not going to find random junk with sata controllers
04:55.34K`zanTIA!
04:55.35wolsschmick: why?
04:55.42schmickmy laptop
04:55.45daliasalso sata is 10-20% more expensive and has no quality advantage
04:55.54daliasunlike scsi which often is higher manufacturing quality
04:55.55wolsschmick: that is no answer. zd1211 drivers are in debian
04:55.58ujy99wols: srry, will this installer effect the way debian acts/works?
04:56.01daliasalso i only use 2.5" drives
04:56.12wolsdalias: scsi and sata are EXACTLY the same drives mechanically
04:56.40shogunxdalias, saves you on the power that way.
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04:56.41schmickHow do I load it in debian?  I can't find it in synaptic package manager
04:56.41daliasfor reliability, durability, usability in laptops, power consumption, and acoustics purposes
04:56.41wolsujy99: kernel will be different than etch, all everything is the same
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04:56.58daliasand 2.5" is all plain ide
04:57.05schmickis there a secret to knowing the commandline for aptitude install?
04:57.42wols!tell schmick about search
04:57.42K`zandpkg -L utf8-migration-tool
04:57.42dpkgii  utf8-migration-tool                 3.6-15.2           k`zan's private porn collection
04:57.43schmickI'm rather new.  I know how to commandline install when someone tells me the exact command
04:57.45daliaswtf
04:57.55daliasl`zan's private porn colelction?!
04:58.02wolsschmick: you will need module assistant. the package is sd1211-source
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04:58.13K`zanoops ww Strangely I can't find the package.
04:58.24wols!tell K`zan about pdo
04:58.26ujy99wols: so if a new kernel is out, apt-get upgrade won't install the new kernel?
04:58.32schmicklike aptitude install ?something something somethingg"
04:58.45wolsujy99: no
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04:58.52robinkWhat debian package typically contains pkgdetails?
04:59.04wolsrobink: define "pkgdetails"
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04:59.20PiousMinionschmick: apt-cache search [whatever]      then     apt-get install  [package name]
04:59.20ujy99wols: so im going to be stuck with this kernel?
04:59.36K`zanI have ***NO*** idea where the porn thing came from, I don't collect the stuff - really :-)!
04:59.41wolsujy99: if you want your hardware to work you might keep it
04:59.53schmickwols: do I apt-get install sd1211-source ?
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05:00.15wolsK`zan: stop messaging people
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05:00.22schmickor aptitude install sd1211-source
05:00.30PiousMinionschmick: if your want the source installed. yeah, but I'd look for a binary.
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05:00.43robinkwols: debootstrap complains that it can't find pkgdetails.  I assumed pkgdetails was a script or application of some sort.
05:00.44PiousMinionschmick: I use apt-getr
05:00.47wolsPiousMinion: please tell me where this binary is ina  debian repo
05:00.49PiousMinionapt-get*
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05:01.02ujy99wols: some people tell me to upgrade the kernel whenever possible.
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05:01.16wolsujy99: then ask them why?
05:01.23wolscause debian surely doesn't
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05:01.28PiousMinionwols: I said I would look. I never claimed it was actually there. hehe
05:01.31ujy99wols: is this really nessesary?
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05:01.43wolsujy99: your choice
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05:01.54robinkwols: I would post the error message in full, but I thought it slightly lengthy for a high-traffic channel.
05:01.56ujy99wols: well security
05:01.56wolsthere are ways to install debian without CD
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05:02.27robinkwols: It's less than 3 lines, but rather wordy.
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05:03.04robinkE: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source
05:03.18wolsit clearly tells you what it wants
05:03.42robinkwols: I'd prefer to build pkgdetails from C.  However, not knowing the name of the package that contains it, I'm unable to either pull a binary or build source.
05:03.55wols!tell robink about search
05:04.04schmickwhat do I do with this?
05:04.05schmickE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
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05:04.25schmickE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
05:04.45wolsschmick: are you root?
05:04.48robinkwols: Searching packages.debian.org yielded no results.
05:04.54schmickyes
05:04.57wolsrobink: then I'd install perl
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05:04.59Bryansteinis aptitude running?
05:04.59robinkwols: ...and as I am not currently on a Debian system I cannot search my local package repository.
05:05.04wolsschmick: then close your other package management tools
05:05.07Bryansteinaptitude is running or something
05:05.09robinkwols: I'd really prefer to avoid that if at all possible.
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05:05.13schmickcool ... thx
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05:11.32schmicknow, I'm getting
05:11.32schmickE: Couldn't find package sd1211-source
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05:11.34Gh0steeAlright, I need help please. I rebooted yesterday and when I rebooted GRUB frooze at Stage 1.5.... Either how do I fix this? Is one of my drives dead?
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05:11.35wolsschmick: learn to type properly
05:11.35wolsa s is no z
05:11.35ujy99wols: still didn't detect my cdrom drive
05:11.35K`zanFixed it, when the technical solution is too convoluted, a sledge hammer works fine :-).
05:11.35K`zanTHanks folks.
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05:11.37schmickI'm a cut-and-paste guy ... helps compensate for my dislexia
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05:11.37ujy99wols: still didn't detect my cdrom drive. any ideas?
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05:11.54schmickwols: thanks ... it's working
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05:36.45Schalkendoes anybody know how to enable subpixel hinting?
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05:38.23somiajSchalken: irc.debian.org is part of a different irc network, it moved form freenode to OFTC, though a good number stay on freenode, thus this is it
05:38.27ujy99wols: well ubuntu works
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05:39.30vooksomiaj:   thanks actually - I've wondered what happened to the regulars...
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05:39.47daliasschalken, in /etc/fonts/conf.d, add a symlink to ../conf.avail/[whatever the appropriate file for your subpixel format is]
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05:40.11daliaswait
05:40.20daliasyou said "subpixel hinting". what does that mean?
05:40.27daliasi assumed you had said "subpixel rendering"
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05:45.39Schalkendalias: i didnt know there was a difference. in the KDE control center under Fonts it has "Enable Subpixel hinting" greyed out. Gtk apps have no subpixel hinting either.
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05:45.53sivikwhat does it mean when i get the following error "PRNG is not seeded"
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05:47.12daliasschalken, "subpixel hinting" is not a defined term
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05:47.24daliasschalken, so kde is being stupid and mislabelling the checkbox
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05:48.14Schalkendalias: i think i means subpixel rendering. (wouldnt subpixel hinting mean it snaps the shapes of the letters to every third of a pixel? that would be silly.)
05:48.45daliasyes, it would mean something like that
05:48.51Schalkendalias: awell anyway, it doesnt matter what it means, but i mean subpixel rendering, and i know ticking that checkbox turns on subpixel rendering.
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05:49.07daliaswhich isn't necessarily silly but i don't think there's a standard way to interpret the hints that allows that
05:49.17Gh0steeI need help please. I rebooted yesterday and when I rebooted GRUB frooze at Stage 1.5....Bios sees the drive, see's the serial. I ran some utils, MHDD only saw a few errors...  how do I fix this? Is one of my drives dead? How can I tell?
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05:49.39daliaswell i dunno how kde turns it on there, probably by overriding/ignoring what fontconfig selects...
05:49.50sivikwhat does "PRNG is not seeded" mean, i have never seen it before
05:49.52daliasi would just setup the subpixel rendering the standard fontconfig way
05:49.54Schalkendalias: hmm, i think apple does "subpixel hinting" because straight vertical lines sometimes have colouration.
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05:50.09Schalkendalias: and how would that be?
05:50.19daliasschalken, like i said, in /etc/fonts/conf.d
05:50.45daliasln -s ../conf.avail/whatever_the_right_subpixel_format_is .
05:50.49daliasi think it's probably...
05:51.00dalias10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf
05:51.00Schalkendalias: okay then, what do you mean by "subpixel format"?
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05:51.04daliasbut it could be bgr
05:51.09daliasif your pixels are backwards
05:51.23daliaslook at the available options in conf.avail
05:51.34Schalkennah, they are rgb horizontal way.
05:51.39daliasyou can try both rgb and bgr and see which looks right
05:51.39Schalkenokay, ty
05:51.51daliasthe v ones (v=vertical) are almost surely the wrong ones
05:51.52daliasalso
05:52.01daliasthere are some websites you can use to check if your display is rgb or bgr
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05:52.33Schalkendalias: okay i will search google, but im pretty sure its rgb left to right.
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05:53.12Schalkendalias: isnt there a debconf thing to configure fontconfig?
05:53.13daliasi dunno, maybe
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05:53.25daliasyou can also make a local .fonts.conf in your homedir to do it
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06:00.48SexyKenWell - it doesn't matter really.
06:01.04SexyKenYour red 1 should mirror an entire disk in true redundancy.
06:01.06SexyKen*RAID
06:01.29SexyKenTwo disks of equal size is the best way to go.
06:01.35SexyKenFull mirroring.
06:01.37SexyKenAll day babe.
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06:01.52ujy99SexyKen: ok. now im stuck with # of active & spare drives
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06:02.04ujy99i have two drives
06:02.29ujy99SexyKen: 2 active and 0 spare correct?
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06:05.16daliashey
06:05.29daliasis there any way to keep xpdf from creating the annoyig outline/bookmarks pane
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06:08.30SexyKen2 active and 0 spare, unless you have 3 drives
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06:11.25SexyKenIn most instances -- especially non-vital, 2 drives will be enough in a raid 1 config.  If one goes bad, the other has the data, and usually you'll have enough time to get a replacement for the bad drive.
06:11.40SexyKenIn other words, it's very unlikely that 2 drives will go bad at the same time, if they're of at least decent quality
06:11.51ddaltonI booted the installer and gave an argument on the command line to start brltty. It says there was something wrong with kernel modules. So I had to abort. Now it says "If you abort now your system may be left in an unusable state." What do I do?
06:11.55ddalton"yes or "no"
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06:16.26ddaltonok what cd do I get? the one I got was corrupted
06:16.33ddaltonis an internet one ok?
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06:17.27Supaplex!tell ddalton -about netinst
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06:17.49ddaltonBTW /part ##linux
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06:17.54ddaltonoops
06:18.08ddaltonBTW my sytem boots and I clicked yes. before
06:18.11ddaltonsystem
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06:18.52ddaltonwhats this link? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
06:19.29Supaplexthat's where you can download netinst from
06:19.43ddaltonand will that give me all the stuff I got with the other one?
06:19.46ddaltonthe actual cd?
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06:20.38Supaplexthe other one what?
06:20.48Supaplexcd1? dvd1? debian live?
06:20.50ddaltonI got a 700 mb iso.
06:20.52Gh0steeata1.00: tag 0 cmd 0x25 Emask 0x9 stat 0x51 err 0x40 (media error)
06:20.52Gh0steeata1: EH complete
06:20.52Gh0steeata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
06:20.52Gh0steeata1.00: (BMDMA stat 0x60)
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06:20.53ddaltonand burnt it to a cd.
06:20.54Gh0steeer
06:21.01ddaltonapparently I don't need the net for that.
06:21.18Supaplexno net needed for cd1. until you want updates or something not on cd1.
06:21.20ddaltoncd rom
06:22.32ddaltonok is it the 160 mb one?
06:22.32Supaplexyes, netinst is fairly small
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06:22.33ddaltonup
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06:22.54ddalton"debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso"?
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06:25.12ddaltonOk im blind and I can't really compare the md5 sums easily. can someone check it for me?
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06:25.19ddaltonif I give out my code?
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06:25.57Supaplexjust google the md5sum you found
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06:26.57ddaltoncan someone tell me if this is right for the net install cd?
06:26.58ddalton9c373cff16573af06a9b7b4a7e5e2d6f *debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso
06:27.28Supaplexhttp://www.google.com/search?q=9c373cff16573af06a9b7b4a7e5e2d6f&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a
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06:31.29ddaltondid I say the file name was:
06:31.32ddaltondebian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso
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06:31.53ddaltonis this the same as the one above?
06:31.53ddaltondebian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso
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06:32.24ddaltonsorry Im using a screenreader and its really hard to compare titles and codes
06:32.56Supaplexyes
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06:33.01Supaplexyour md5sum is valid
06:33.12ddaltongood. So its garanteed to work?
06:33.24Zippy2no lol
06:33.26Supaplexit's guaranteed to be identical to the published release
06:33.45ddaltonand if thats screwed up then im screwed?
06:33.54Zippy2not if you backup
06:34.09ddaltonand is it the same as the normal debian installer? will it have everything it had like brltty?
06:34.25Zippy2dunno
06:34.27ddaltonmy system told me I could make it unusable
06:34.37ddaltonbefore when I had to abort
06:35.33ddaltoncan you make a system unusable?
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06:36.42harkit does have brltty
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06:38.35kie27greetings all, am running debian, am seeing incoming and outgoing events blocked by firestarter on port 8080 labelled as webcache, any ideas what is producing the outgoing ones? could my machine be compromised?
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06:40.26stiv2khelp
06:40.32stiv2ki messed up my system somehow
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06:40.38stiv2kapt-get -f install just keeps erroring out
06:40.41stiv2kwith this
06:41.03stiv2kSetting up cpad-kernel-source (0.10-5) ...
06:41.03stiv2kBuilding cpad module for Linux 2.6.23.1-slh64-smp-22 (this may take a few minutes)...dpkg: error processing cpad-kernel-source (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
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06:44.36GhostlyDeathNET SPLIT!
06:44.49simonrvnoh here we go again :/. they're trying, "WALLOP quux:  Hello everyone - as you can see we've been having routing difficulties for about 1.5 hours now. Please be patient as we work them out; we apologize for the inconvenience. We'll let you know more when we can. Thanks for using Freenode!"
06:45.20GhostlyDeathI see
06:45.45GhostlyDeathJust think, on the other side we all dissappeared
06:45.57Zippy2hax
06:46.04wolsby now almost no one should be on anthony any more
06:46.05simonrvnnah
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06:46.35GhostlyDeath"* *** Notice -- Server is currently split, channel modes are limited
06:46.35GhostlyDeath* || No services can currently be detected
06:46.35GhostlyDeath* || Due to a network split, you can not obtain channel operator status in a new channel at this time"
06:46.49GhostlyDeath!damn \r
06:46.56amirfhi, my fs in read only mode how can i change it to rw ?
06:47.19simonrvnfix it first, there's a reason why it did that
06:47.42amirfsimonrvn: how ?
06:47.49GhostlyDeathamirf: fsck
06:48.01GhostlyDeathmight work
06:48.08simonrvnfsck
06:48.26amirfGhostlyDeath: 10x
06:48.30GhostlyDeath10x?
06:48.33zinx!10x
06:48.33dpkgfrom memory, 10x is a l33t way of saying "thank you", or see <pls>
06:48.43amirf10x = thanks
06:49.55GhostlyDeathLast I heard the 1337 way of saying "thank you" was "7 |-| 4 |\| |<  `/ () |_|"...
06:50.22zinxGhostlyDeath: the kiddies got lazy
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06:51.15GhostlyDeathwelcome back netsplitted people!
06:51.30GhostlyDeath10 at the same time is nie
06:51.32GhostlyDeathnice*
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06:56.30elnovatillomorning, how to take a screenshot in KKKK?
06:56.33elnovatillokde
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06:57.05simonrvnthere's a bunch of apps to do that, anything from gimp to a kde app.
06:57.11simonrvn!tell elnovatillo -about search
06:57.16GhostlyDeathKKKK?
06:57.21GhostlyDeathhmm more people split
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06:58.02elnovatillosorry , fo a moment the computer freezzzeee an i pushed K but it repeated 4 times.... maybe i have virus
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06:58.40GhostlyDeathThat has happeed to me where my computer was really busy and keyboard input was multiplied or ignored
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06:59.10elnovatilloi have video problems im taking a screenshot now
06:59.32GhostlyDeathWhat do they look like?
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06:59.45GhostlyDeathThe screenshots might not show video problems
06:59.49elnovatillolike vertical color lines...
06:59.53simonrvnvirus in debian? hehehehe
07:00.03SexyKenyea lol
07:00.04GhostlyDeathWHAT!? VIRUS ON LINUX NO WAY
07:00.07simonrvnriiight. rootkit maybe but virus?
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07:00.18GhostlyDeathsimonrvn: could have a virus
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07:00.40GhostlyDeathIf you think Linux doesn't have viruses then you are an idiot
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07:00.42elnovatillowell considering Google will make a google OS, for me as debian user it only means lot of virus will be developed
07:00.42GhostlyDeathand mass people just joined
07:00.48SexyKenYea, and it's possible that the virgin mary had aids, right?
07:00.50Penixthe sky is falling!
07:00.58neednickHi there,  anyone managed to fix the slow sata controller problem in 2.6.22?  I installed Ubuntu gutsy and it seems to be fine with their default 2.6.22.14 kernel. but when I try to compile a custom 2.6.22.11 kernel from kernel.org on debian its extremely slow
07:01.03GhostlyDeathWE ARE BEING FLOODED HELP
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07:01.44elnovatilloneednick:  this is #debian not #bubuntu
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07:02.10GhostlyDeathelnovatillo: I doubt it would be a virus as currently the most popular operating system is Windows with Mac next in line
07:02.19Penixpreach!
07:02.31GhostlyDeathelnovatillo: E-Terrorists like terrorizing what people use
07:02.44Penixhaha. I gotta use that one
07:02.46GhostlyDeathelnovatillo: If you were a terrorist, would you bomb a desert or a city?
07:02.50elnovatilloGhostlyDeath: dunno, but virus on millions of cellphones using linux google OS sounds very profitable
07:03.36elnovatilloand honestly i dont see why virus running on google OS wouldnt run on debian or other distribs
07:03.51GhostlyDeathIf the architecture matches it may run
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07:04.09GhostlyDeathmost cell phones are probably ARM based while most PCs are Intel now
07:04.19GhostlyDeathLittle-Endien dominates the market
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07:04.29Supaplexhow do I use reportbug on a recently closed bug?
07:04.39simonrvnelnovatillo: you fail to see the difference between a linux-based os and some wannabe os like windows then
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07:05.15GhostlyDeathsimonrvn: "Wannabe OS like windows"?
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07:05.41elnovatilloi though the wannabe was MacOS
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07:05.57SexyKenDebian runs great on my LS-PRO (Buffalo Linkstation Pro) - it's only a 400Mhz ARM CPU
07:06.03GhostlyDeathLinux is more of a wannabe in the home market since Windows dominates it
07:06.04SexyKen128MB Ram
07:06.11SexyKen320GB HD - runs pretty damn good :-)
07:06.30PenixSo, if Hyundai dominated the car industry right now, Ford would be the wannabe?
07:06.42Penixlogic award goes to GhostlyDeath
07:06.45simonrvnarm's a good cpu for leanness on resource usage
07:06.58GhostlyDeathPenix: I doubt the Koreans will dominate the market
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07:07.06Penixwhat does that have to do with it?
07:07.10simonrvni have him on /iggy i think
07:07.20Penixreplace hyundai with any company
07:07.26SexyKenIt's run EXTREMELY well considering the small clock rate and minimal amount of ram.
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07:07.37GhostlyDeathsimonrvn: On who?
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07:07.50elnovatillokoreans? the have samsung i think
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07:08.19GhostlyDeathMy laptop was made in china, hopefully I don't get lead poisoning..........
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07:08.35elnovatillolol
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07:08.46SexyKenMy penis is made in Motel 6 -- hopefully I can stay at the Sheraton one day....
07:08.46SexyKen?
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07:11.08elnovatilloim just waiting till somebody embeds Debian on the new Asus EEE umpc
07:11.08SexyKenBroke ass networks.
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07:11.08SexyKenWhat's an Sus EEE umpc?
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07:11.08SexyKenUltra Mobile PC?
07:11.08GhostlyDeathSome small PC
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07:11.08GhostlyDeathSomeone said it had a 4" screen
07:11.08elnovatillogoogle: asus eee
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07:11.09simonrvnSexyKen: routing issues. they haven't had any in ... wow, i've lost count, a long time, at least not like this. a couple of hiccups last month
07:11.09elnovatilloits damn good, just i hate xandros
07:11.09SexyKenWhat is xandros?
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07:11.10SexyKenWell -- it's the net...no matter what you have, the best of the best - expect problems sometime or another :-)
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07:11.10simonrvndebian derivative, a la lindows
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07:11.57simonrvnmrf, ries still having hardware issues :/
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07:12.35Penixused to get this sort of splittage every other day years ago
07:12.37Penixdamn kids...
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07:12.51elnovatillocome on somebody embed Debian into a iphone!!
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07:12.57Penixwhy?
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07:13.03Penixelnovatillo: what's stopping you?
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07:13.10simonrvnPenix: yeh, really. the bad old days
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07:13.18elnovatilloPenix:  i dotn have a iphone :P
07:13.36simonrvnwell, that kind hampers things, doesn't it....
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07:14.23Penixwrite debian on it
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07:14.24simonrvnPenix: heheh
07:14.32SexyKenThat Asus EEE doesn't look that great.
07:14.38simonrvnwith a nice little debian swirl over it
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07:14.51daliaswow that's one mad netsplit
07:15.01Penixsimonrvn: now you're just being silly
07:15.03daliaswho's the fscking kiddie ddosing freenode tonite?
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07:15.23Penixsry. just g0t my hndz on sub7. lolz
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07:16.28elnovatilloasus eee costs only $300 tahts the great thing, there no such a chea
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07:16.38elnovatillocheap hardware on market for taht price
07:16.46SexyKenWhat are the specs though?
07:16.56SexyKenI seen something about 1gb ram, but no clock speed on the CPU.
07:17.00SexyKenand 4gb hd, get real
07:17.05SexyKenThey make 8gb flash drives now.
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07:18.15PenixI can't wait for the olpc 'Give 1, Get 1' program to become available outside the US
07:18.26Penixasus schmasus
07:18.53wolsSexyKen: 900MHz Celeron
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07:19.50SexyKenSounds decent, but not amazing!
07:19.58SexyKenespecially if someone intents to run windows.
07:20.07wolsPenix: I can't wait until OLPCs show up on ebay. on return from an uruguayan or nigerian child
07:20.16elnovatilloasus eee was designed for linux
07:20.33wolsSexyKen: 800x480 and windows. yeah right. hint: you can't even show "display properties"
07:20.34Penixwols: hehe
07:21.01kie27Howdy all, am a little paranoid about my laptop since i now connect directly to the interent using 3G. Today saw outgoing connections blocked by firestarter on port 8080.  What is causing these connection attempts, could i be compromised?
07:22.15simonrvnweee, GRAB YOUR SURFBOARDS!
07:22.15Penixcowa bunga dude!
07:22.15simonrvnhehe
07:22.21Supaplexmove over cowa tipping, cowa bungee here we come!
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07:22.45simonrvnhehe
07:22.46kie27I will repeat, as i think the message will be wiped with all of those logouts.  Howdy all, am a little paranoid about my laptop since i now connect directly to the interent using 3G. Today saw outgoing connections blocked by firestarter on port 8080.  What is causing these connection attempts, could i be compromised?
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07:23.02Supaplex!tell kie27 -about repeat
07:23.03Penixkie27: of course you *could* be. doesn't mean that's what going on
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07:23.27Supaplexoh logouts. heh, smart ones /ignore all that :)
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07:23.43elnovatillokie27: tried to call yuor ISP : "blackout is haxoring my filez!!" ?
07:23.57Supaplexblame lolcats
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07:24.12Penixkie27: start by monitoring outgoing connections related to that port and find out what's creating them
07:24.15simonrvn"the moon is below the horizon"
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07:24.48cicokie27: outgoing connections mean, your computer was trying to connect to port 8080 of a remove server.
07:24.54Supaplex!+listkeys lolcats
07:24.55dpkgFactoid search of 'lolcats' by key returned no results.
07:24.59simonrvnkie27: iptstate, look for that port, then you can track down the process using the port
07:25.00Supaplexfooey.
07:25.22simonrvnor just use netstat ;p
07:25.22Penix!lose Supaplex
07:25.22dpkgSupaplex: You Lose.
07:25.29cicokie27: which means, some software or you yourself with your browser, were trying to connect to some website at port 8080.
07:25.40Supaplex!lolcats
07:25.41dpkgsomebody said lolcats was http://icanhascheezburger.com/?random
07:25.48Supaplex!win me
07:25.48dpkgCongratulations, supaplex! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza!
07:25.58simonrvn!beer Supaplex
07:26.03elnovatillosimonrvn: in wich package comes iptstate?
07:26.12simonrvniptstate iirc
07:27.07elnovatillodammit my pc is so slow... thsi doble processor CPU are a SCAM!!
07:27.14simonrvno_O
07:27.30simonrvnsend it to me then ;). i need a dual proc for my server ;)
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07:28.28simonrvnyikes
07:28.28PenixI can't believe I've had an X2 chip just sitting right next to me in the box for months without caving and buying the rest of the system
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07:28.35Schalkenuhm, after adding a user with useradd, what is their password?
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07:29.05Supaplexman passwd
07:29.10simonrvnuseradd doesn't do that IIRC, you'll need to use passwd; use adduser, it's a lot better for this stuff
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07:29.38simonrvn(hint, it's not like RH's adduser at all ;)
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07:30.22Schalkensimonrvn: okay, how can i get rid of the user i added with useradd?
07:30.23kie27thanks for all those answers, the connections attempts only started today, and there have only been 7 attempts, of course they are blocked as i have a restrictive firewall policy, whitelisting only. oh and as for my isp, they still don't believe that it is possible to connect with linux so i don't think that they will be very helpful :)
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07:30.28stormshadowyeah adduser is much better
07:30.29elnovatilloredhat is death right?  i heard it belongs to microsoft adn they will start charging for licenses fees
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07:30.55simonrvnelnovatillo: where do you hear such bs?
07:30.56Penixelnovatillo: are you simple or just really bad at trying to troll?
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07:31.08wolselnovatillo: and why do you ask #debian about OT stuff?
07:31.10stormshadowhuh? what tha
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07:31.14simonrvnSchalken: uh, just ass the passwd
07:31.16kie27i think he is trolling, badly
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07:31.20simonrvnSchalken: add*
07:31.35simonrvn"ass the passwd" heheh
07:31.36stormshadowmaybe so
07:31.40cicoIs there a way to increase the timeout period when aptitude tries to fetch deb files in upgrade or dist-upgrade?
07:31.46Schalkensimonrvn: okay, how do i add the password?
07:31.46elnovatillolol, im no trolling, just wondering, ok enough with the offtopics
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07:32.01Supaplexelnovatillo: ask the horse, not the ass
07:32.08simonrvnSchalken: it's been mentioned 3 times already, 'passwd'
07:32.31stormshadowlol
07:32.33stormshadowlol
07:32.36stormshadowpasswd
07:32.38stormshadowlol
07:32.41cico!lol
07:32.41dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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07:33.04elnovatilloJo Jo Jo
07:33.06PenixI must've missed the memo about the renaming of 'Thursday' to 'Sunday'
07:33.10simonrvncico: you're not new to this chan, are you
07:33.18Schalkensimonrvn: i do "passwd nameofmyuser" as root and it asks me for the current users password :/
07:33.22stormshadowaol ruled the the common world for a while
07:33.29cicosimonrvn: I am not new.
07:33.30simonrvnSchalken: so hit enter
07:33.30stormshadowking of im
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07:33.36onvsopheya :)
07:33.49onvsopis anyone here having problems with mysql-server from the testing branch?
07:33.49Schalkensimonrvn: authentication failed. :/
07:34.02simonrvnSchalken: deluser foo then
07:34.09Penixyou mean userdel?
07:34.09Supaplexonvsop: did you ask bts?
07:34.18Schalkensimonrvn: sh: deluser: command not found
07:34.26onvsopbts?
07:34.37Supaplex!tell onvsop -about bts
07:34.41elnovatillowhats a proper way to decrease he process priority for lets say: vmware ??
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07:34.50Supaplexelnovatillo: renice
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07:35.11cicoI am doing an aptitude dist-upgrade and many .deb fetches are timing out. However, I am able to download them using 'wget'. the response comes after around 120 seconds. Is there a way I can increase the HTTP timeout in aptitude?
07:35.14Schalkensimonrvn: is there even a command to remove users by default?
07:35.14stormshadowim having probs with my vmware since my upgrade to lenny :(
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07:35.35elnovatillostormshadow: you will need to reinstall
07:35.50Penixstormshadow: tough luck
07:35.52cicoSchalken: what do you mean "by default"? there is a deluser command which you can run as 'root'.
07:36.01NiLoncico try different mirror?
07:36.02Penixstormshadow: ask the vmware folks for help
07:36.02dayaHow to identify which sound system is default in the system,
07:36.05onvsopcheers Supaplex
07:36.09onvsophaving a look now ;)
07:36.19cicoNiLon: I'll try different mirror. Just wondering if there is a way to increase the timeout.
07:36.34stormshadowelnovatillo: I've tried vmware-config.pl
07:36.38PenixSchalken: man userdel, man passwd, man useradd
07:36.44stormshadow& no good
07:36.51simonrvnSchalken: mrh?
07:36.55simonrvnthat's it
07:37.10NiLoncico apt.conf Acquire::http::Timeout
07:37.15elnovatillostormshadow: in my case the instalation required to compile certain modules for vmware, i think thats your case too, you will need a complete reinsatllation, i not sure tho
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07:37.48Penixdon't taze me bro!
07:37.52Schalkensorry, i just realised that i was actually logged in as the user i added but i didnt notice cuz the default bash prompt for the new user is exactly the same as for root :/
07:37.55stormshadow;)
07:38.05PenixI knew you in the skull & bones
07:38.06Schalkenokay, user removed, im going to try again with adduser
07:38.10Penixwere
07:38.23simonrvnSchalken: hehe
07:38.49onvsopcheers Supaplex - the bug was there: mysql-server unable to finish instalation
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07:39.08stormshadowelnovatillo: hmmmm... I'll have to loose my old vm's
07:39.23Penixstormshadow: no you don't
07:39.29elnovatillostormshadow: no reason, just move it to another foledr
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07:39.54Schalkensimonrvn: weird. the useradd command makes the new user's default PS1 the same as root's but adduser doesnt.
07:40.08Schalkensimonrvn: should i say its all useradd's fault?
07:40.11Penixvmware-config.pl should prompt you to rebuild the modules upon using a different kernel anyway iirc
07:40.17simonrvnSchalken: no
07:40.18onvsopwhats the best way to run stable branch, but use various packages from testing or unstable
07:40.24Penixonvsop: backports
07:40.37Penixonvsop: msg dpkg about it
07:40.50Tidusdpkg, backports | onvsop
07:41.05stormshadowoh I had an error messg can't build vmmon
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07:41.22elnovatillo!backport
07:41.22dpkgrumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org>
07:41.27Penixstormshadow: if it's some non-free vmware related thing, we can't help you
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07:41.38Penixstormshadow: try #vmware
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07:41.53stormshadowthanx
07:42.10Supaplex!depth charge vmmon.ko
07:42.15Schalkensimonrvn: but useradd is weird, im beginning to think it doesnt even copy files over from /etc/skel
07:42.19elnovatillostormshadow: yeah, probably yo changed the GCC version etc, you will need to match versions
07:42.24Supaplexstormshadow: oops. dpkg busticated it.
07:42.42PenixSchalken: man useradd
07:42.45PenixSchalken: it tells you about it
07:42.53onvsopcheers ;)
07:42.54PenixSchalken: that's why you use adduser
07:42.59simonrvnSchalken: no it doesn't
07:43.04onvsopso do i just add the backports  as another mirror
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07:43.29Schalkensimonrvn: that explains everything. are the command useradd and userdel there just for compatability?
07:43.39elnovatilloanyhow to save teh 'state' of windows positions opened in KDE?
07:43.39SchalkenPenix: i will now :D ty.
07:43.53simonrvnthey're the default nix/gnu tools. adduser is a wrapper
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07:44.12Supaplexelnovatillo: right click on the title bar, advanced, special window settings, ... explore. you'll find it.
07:44.31Supaplex!rap
07:44.31dpkgsittin' out on the street wit my homeys, sippin' on some beer wit cronies... baaaaam!
07:44.53Schalkensimonrvn: oh. so useradd is in fact the right command to use, its just doesnt do much more than add a user (not skel, no password, weird bash PS1) :/
07:45.01Schalkensimonrvn: hence adduser.
07:45.10simonrvnand weird-assed options to do shit
07:45.13Schalkenno skel*
07:45.29simonrvnusermod especially...
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07:45.51Schalkensimonrvn: what is used in place of usermod?
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07:46.01fatherof2i have a problem i suspect my son is using his computer in his room for illegal things. I was wondering if there is a program i can put on his system to view what he is doing from another computer, I dont want to jump to conclusions so i thought this would be the best way.
07:46.05onvsopcheers guys ;)
07:46.12Penixhaha
07:46.27Penixyou've got bigger problems
07:46.34Schalkenfatherof2: an ssh server?
07:46.37elnovatillofatherof2: technicly... Debian is illegal!!!
07:46.53Supaplexoh plz
07:46.58simonrvnelnovatillo: could you be quiet and stop spreading FUD?
07:46.58fatherof2no hes hacking into other systems and uploading viruses
07:47.12simonrvns,hacking,cracking,
07:47.15Penixfatherof2: so, now you suddenly know for sure?
07:47.21Schalkenelnovatillo: yeah, its getting annoying.
07:47.23fatherof2so i dont need any problems i just want to make sure before i yank his computer
07:47.31fatherof2no his friend advised me of this
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07:47.49Penixprobably more likely he's talking shite to his friend
07:47.51Schalkenfatherof2: what OS does he have on his computer?
07:47.57fatherof2kubuntu
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07:48.40fatherof2i was thinking maybe freenx but i dont know if i can see what hes doing with that program
07:49.03Schalkenfatherof2: first thing that comes to mind is to install an ssh server, add yourself as a user and login to his computer over the network and view whats going on in his folder, what processes are running etc.
07:49.08capiirabuy a small computer as router and use it as proxy for all
07:49.14capiirafetch urls and downloads
07:49.14drcto view what he is doing from another computer <-- I think that's not the best way to do it........
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07:49.26Schalkenfatherof2: oh, you want to *visually* see what he is doing in real time?
07:49.32fatherof2<PROTECTED>
07:49.41fatherof2i already have the ssh installed
07:49.50Schalkenfatherof2: hmm, more complicated.
07:49.53capiirahoe old is he ?
07:49.55drcfatherof2: have you checked does the law allow it?
07:49.56capiiraw
07:49.57fatherof215
07:50.20Schalkenfatherof2: i think a non-technical solution is better that a technical one in this case.
07:50.31drcSchalken: I agree..
07:50.32kie27i can save you some time, at that age he is spending most of his time surfing for pr~n
07:50.35fatherof2yes i just have to tell him i have him under surveillance
07:50.36The_SNiFFSparesMissing im getting it on a soft raid device with 2/2 (two out of two are working) whats the problem?
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07:50.40capiirahehe why you simply don't speak with him?
07:51.04simonrvninstall process accounting. the best way is to you know, *talk* to him.
07:51.07fatherof2i tried hes at that age of rebellion
07:51.20elnovatillofatherof2: just buy one of those hidden cameras and install targeting the monitor, Voila!!
07:51.20capiiraheh
07:51.23simonrvnget a freind to talk to him
07:51.27simonrvnfriend*
07:51.33fatherof2i could try
07:51.41capiiramaybe its the way how you talked to him ?
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07:51.51simonrvnit's a social issue, not a computing issue
07:51.52elnovatillofatherof2: classic hidden camera always works fine
07:51.53fatherof2im not sure
07:51.59fatherof2:)
07:52.01The_SNiFFwhats the problem?
07:52.06The_SNiFFand you can use VNC :.
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07:52.13capiiraand not father like talk "hey son wtf stop that else...."
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07:52.32fatherof2need to figure out a program for real time viewing from another computer
07:52.37The_SNiFFVNC
07:52.39capiiraconvert him to linux :D
07:52.40fatherof2oh no i sat him down asked like what is wrong
07:52.49The_SNiFFfatherof2: user VNC
07:52.51The_SNiFFuse*
07:53.00fatherof2caplira he uses kubuntu
07:53.04fatherof2vnc
07:53.09stormshadowvnc
07:53.09fatherof2alright ill look at it
07:53.17capiira:)
07:53.21The_SNiFFnow
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07:53.31The_SNiFFwould people kindly answer me? :p
07:53.39elnovatillofatherof2: another solution: get him a HOT girlfriend (very friendly $$) he will forget abou computers in 2 days...
07:53.40fatherof2thank you guys
07:53.45drcjust remember the effect it might have in your relationship, when he finds out / you tell him, that you have been SPYING him..
07:53.50fatherof2enovatillo
07:53.56fatherof2i dont know
07:54.01capiiralol
07:54.07fatherof2aww god
07:54.08The_SNiFFi'd just beat the crap out of him, though
07:54.13capiiralol
07:54.15The_SNiFFbut, hmm. what did he do?
07:54.18fatherof2pretty much comming to that point
07:54.34fatherof2his friend is saying hes uploading viruses to some people
07:54.41The_SNiFFoh
07:54.42The_SNiFFrofl
07:54.46fatherof2and one of those people i know pretty closely
07:54.51The_SNiFFevery 12 year old does that :p
07:55.05elnovatillofatherof2: he needs a GF with big TITies.. hes 15 !!!
07:55.08The_SNiFFcommon he prolly wants to spy on people with sub seven :D
07:55.10fatherof2i just dont want any problems i live in the us
07:55.26drcthen cut his internet connection
07:55.27The_SNiFFjust beat him up with a b-ball bat
07:55.32capiirajust simple change provider password add router add password and bingo
07:55.45fatherof2sounds good everyone
07:55.45The_SNiFFcommon thats a phone call!
07:55.47simonrvncome on people, the dude's here asking some serious questions, at least try to answer seriously instead of like a bunch of teenagers
07:55.51kie27the solution you want, is not technical, and violence isn't going to solve it either.
07:55.52The_SNiFFa baseball bat is better
07:56.00The_SNiFFbut how is that related to debian?
07:56.00capiira:D
07:56.09simonrvnThe_SNiFF: you especially
07:56.18The_SNiFFi was asking a question and didn't get an answet :p
07:56.22fatherof2ill beat him then take the computer and then get him a girl to make up
07:56.23The_SNiFFsimonrvn huh?
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07:56.30The_SNiFF:D LOL
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07:56.41fatherof2:)
07:56.46capiirajust don't hit his jewels
07:56.52fatherof2try not too
07:57.02kie27fatherof2: what year were you born in?
07:57.05fatherof2ill be back in a little while need to think this through
07:57.16simonrvnfatherof2: that's not a solution either. you'll just alienate him more
07:57.23simonrvn(beatin him i mean)
07:57.28simonrvng
07:57.28capiiraheh
07:57.37The_SNiFFdude, im guessing he's kidding
07:57.38elnovatillofatherof2: yeah, get him a GF with big titties for a bj, he will love you forever
07:57.47The_SNiFFanyway answer my question please :(
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07:57.58The_SNiFFelnovatillo: thats called a prostitude
07:58.00The_SNiFFtute
07:58.01fatherof2alright be back
07:58.06capiiratry to talk frind to him like a friend calm etc. alone just father & son maybe
07:58.14capiirafriendly
07:58.26simonrvnThe_SNiFF: so add them back in. man mdadm
07:58.43elnovatillofatherof2: tho i dont think #debian is a good place to ask about Parenting.... you know we are all fat bald in here... we live in the cyberworld...
07:58.43robinkIt's tempting to believe that fatherof2 was actually someone ~13-16.
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07:58.55simonrvnelnovatillo: speak for yourself
07:58.59stormshadowwhat can I use to play regular dvd on debian
07:59.01The_SNiFFsimonrvn but where do i see the ones that needed to be there? something like /etc/raidtab
07:59.09kie27no way that fatherof2 is really a father.
07:59.15simonrvnThe_SNiFF: /proc/mdstat
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07:59.30capiiralol
07:59.40capiiraim not fat & bald
07:59.42The_SNiFFsimonrvn well mdstat shows that 2 out of 2 are functioning. i need to see the config
07:59.43streuner_apt, lolstats
07:59.44apttotal count of lol on #debian: 10884
07:59.56The_SNiFFapt, roflstats
08:00.02simonrvnkie27: probably not, but i try not to mess up shit like that, you can scar people for life if you do it wrong
08:00.03stormshadowI wuz shocked by dells opensource solution for setting up raids on their servers
08:00.16stormshadowit's easy & fast
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08:00.29streuner_stormshadow: xine-u
08:00.31streuner_stormshadow: xine-ui
08:00.45The_SNiFFsimonrvn if he listens to people on irc when educating, the kid's gonna be scarred no matter what
08:00.52simonrvnThe_SNiFF: well, i don't know, you set it up ;)
08:00.53kie27thanks for the help eveyone, goto go
08:01.13streuner_stormshadow: http://www.xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236
08:01.17The_SNiFFand back to my question :p
08:01.21The_SNiFFwhat hold the raid config?
08:01.23simonrvnThe_SNiFF: probably already is :/
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08:01.33simonrvnThe_SNiFF: how did you set it up?
08:01.53stormshadowthanx
08:02.08streuner_stormshadow: you are welcome.
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08:03.29streuner_stormshadow: if you using udev, best thing would be to make an entry for the /dev in rules file of udev
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08:04.02The_SNiFFpeople hear of someone sending viruses and everyone's alive
08:04.07The_SNiFFwhen i need help no one is about :(
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08:05.02simonrvnwell, answer my question... ;)
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08:05.14Supaplex42!
08:05.19simonrvnhehe
08:05.37The_SNiFFwhat was your question
08:05.51simonrvnsimonrvn> The_SNiFF: how did you set it up?
08:05.51The_SNiFFhm my mdadm says i have just 2 devices and they're both used
08:05.53rowCan anyone recommend a very lightweight email forwarding daemon, don't want to install postfix or anything like that just want something to simple forward emails to other (external) email addresses.
08:06.01The_SNiFFbut i still got a SparesMissing error email
08:06.01simonrvnok
08:06.05The_SNiFFoh i did't see that
08:06.09rowI currently have postfix installed and seutp fine but want to keep this feature away from it if I can.
08:06.23streuner_row: procmail?
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08:06.55simonrvnThe_SNiFF: seen them in dmesg? check /var/log/dmesg if it's been a while since boot
08:07.07rowstreuner_: Will look into it, I have 2 ips I presume apt will let me install that and keep postfix, as I am going to run them on the different IPs.
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08:07.47rowstreuner_: procmail is not a smtpd so it does not accept mail does it?
08:07.49The_SNiFFsimonrvn the devices? i see them in /proc/mdstat the "error" email still shows me [2/2]
08:07.53The_SNiFFshould i paste the email?
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08:08.24streuner_row: it could forward mails too
08:08.24robinkrow: Procmail doesn't traditionally bind to an IP.
08:08.29The_SNiFFwhat does the sparesmissing mean, i might got it wrong :p
08:08.39robinkrow: It rather acts like a standard UNIX app that takes a pipe on stdin.
08:08.50rowThought as much.
08:09.34robinkrow: I dunno how big qmail is, but traditionally it's been small and it's certainly very capable of forwarding.
08:09.35simonrvnThe_SNiFF: 2/2? seems to me that it should say something else shouldn't it? IME anyway
08:09.40stormshadowprocmail is a mua or an mda
08:09.47rowrobink: you know of a light weight smtpd that I could use just for forwarding/relaying emails from config address->address not just standard mx relay. It also needs to be installable without removing postfix
08:10.21stormshadowtry qmail
08:10.31troubledsimonrvn: surfboard got lots of usage today :)
08:10.36simonrvnyeh
08:10.37robinkrow: Forgive me for following what may be a non-ideal line of inquiry, but by what means will your relay accept mail?
08:10.51troubledi think its passed now though
08:12.00rowrobink: let me explain my reasons. I run a full blown mailserver on this machine courier+postfix+mysql+maildrop etc etc but the client wants to be able to setup email forwarders for his clients so they are not ever going to be accepting mail just accept and forward mail when the email address is found in a db (not just the domain)
08:12.05robinkrow: Will it still accept mail via SMTP on port 25, or will it simply get invoked by a mail app (/usr/sbin/sendmail launched from a shell or its equivelant) that will wing it to the MTA via a UNIX domain socket or locally bound TCP port?
08:12.19rowI would like to keep the two database separate if I can.
08:12.27robinkrow: hmm
08:12.37robinkrow: So you want postfix to pass the mail on to another app that will maintain and use its own database?
08:12.49rower no, I don't mind using postfix in theory.
08:12.58rowbut I want to use a different virtual table
08:13.03rowwith a simple email->email lookup
08:13.11The_SNiFFsimonrvn it lists the devices and states the 2 out of 2 are working (meaning none is not used)
08:13.14rowif its not there just send relay access denied
08:13.18robinkrow: OK, well postfix is certainly capable of that, although how to do that is beyond my realm of knowledge (I have only a cursory familiarity with Postfix0.
08:13.22The_SNiFFsimonrvn: have any idea what does SparesMissing means?
08:13.24robinks/0/\)/
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08:13.46robinkrow: Ah, that's something ideally handled by Postfix.
08:13.50rowrobink: yeah I will ask postfix just rather keep the too apart
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08:14.01rowie different IPs etc
08:14.04simonrvnThe_SNiFF: sounds like a bogus error. did you happen to add another md device to it when you set it up? or move one, or such like that?
08:14.14rowtwo*
08:14.14robinkrow: I'm still not sure what would run on the alternate IP.
08:14.25The_SNiFFthere's another one that's working
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08:14.33cicoI am doing aptitude dist-upgrade? Why is it showing me the installation list twice and asking for confirmation twice. See: http://pastebin.com/m4bfe816e
08:14.35The_SNiFFi didn't touch it since like half a year ago when we installed it
08:14.47ringo999when installing a package through aptitude, how can I see where files have been installed to?
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08:14.53rowYeah, me either thats why I asked if there is some lightweight smtpd relay, I know there is ssmtpd can that do email->email lookups to check if its allowed to relay?
08:14.59rowor is that just for sending emails?
08:15.13simonrvnThe_SNiFF: it's probably looking for that, if it was at all connected to this one via mdadm
08:15.40robinkrow: ssmtpd is traditinally for sending mails locally within a system.
08:15.42Kage`I got a slight problem... I want to setup PAM so that: 1. I can only su into root if I belong to the group "suable"; 2. root can su into anyone (rootok); 3. I HAVE to supply a password when su-ing into root.
08:15.46Kage`Can someone help me with this
08:16.02robinkrow: I am however extremely unfamiliar with it and thus not of much use to you.
08:16.13The_SNiFFsimonrvn: "if it" whats it? and whats "this one" ? :S
08:16.20Kage`The problem I keep running into is that it does not ask me for a password when suing into root
08:16.37rowrobink: thanks anyway.
08:16.52simonrvnmdadm == it's; "if it" == the old MDs
08:16.57rowrobink: I will ask in postfix whats the easiest way to do it using a different lookup method.
08:17.04simonrvn"this one == the current raid
08:17.06simonrvn"
08:17.19simonrvnok, AFK, RL is wanting attention
08:18.32robinkrow: Highly recommended.  Good luck.
08:18.47Kage`Anyone here able to help me fix pam?
08:18.51stewKage`: you are using pam_wheel? or something else
08:19.11Kage`Yes
08:19.15Kage`pam_wheel
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08:19.43stewKage`: what is the line you added to /etc/pam.d/su for pam_wheel?
08:20.01Kage`stew, hold, I'll pastebin
08:20.23robinkrow: Just FYI: ssmtpd is no longer available in the Debian package repository.
08:20.36Kage`stew, http://pastebin.ca/765704
08:20.56simonrvnwhy are these effing hosts joe jobbing me...
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08:21.12simonrvnstupid dictionary attack...
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08:21.34robinksimonrvn: Sadly, I fell victim to a dictionary attack due to poor adminning on my part.
08:21.38simonrvnlame - they gotta try harder
08:21.53simonrvn"This is a fake (joe job) or sub-standard (lacking original headers) DSN."
08:22.04simonrvnalready planned for ;)
08:22.10blqhow can I test which version of glx I've got installed?
08:22.29simonrvnrobink: that sucks :/. sorry
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08:23.01robinksimonrvn: It's OK, and primarily my fault.  I was expecting someone to do something that they ended up not doing, but that in no way excuses me.
08:23.15SpeedyGhi, i've had this problem now several times, after a while my entire desktop freezes, all desktop related programs seem to go <defunct> and after a few seconds, ssh also dies.... anyone have a clue where too look for why this happens ?
08:23.40The_SNiFFdoes the mdadm monitor run automatically?
08:23.52stewKage`: why did you comment out the common-{auth,account,session} includes?
08:24.05Kage`stew, it came standard that way
08:24.10cicoI am doing aptitude dist-upgrade. Why is it showing me the installation list twice with both the lists slightly different and asking me to confirm twice? Will it install double copies of the packages present in both the lists. See: http://pastebin.com/m4bfe816e
08:24.12stewrobink: ssmtp is available
08:24.24robinkstew: Huh.  My search of p.d.o revealed nothing.
08:24.36stewrobink: the package name is ssmtp not ssmtpd
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08:24.56stewKage`: what version of debian are you running?
08:25.06Kage`Uhh
08:25.21Kage`<PROTECTED>
08:25.22robinkstew: Of course; didn't think to try that.
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08:25.56simonrvnThe_SNiFF: starts at boot by default IIRC
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08:26.23elnovatillohow to restart the video card drivers?
08:26.28robinkKage`: I think that may be a kernel version, although I'm not entirely sure.
08:26.32The_SNiFFsimonrvn so i just need to add an email address to the mdadm config?
08:26.36Supaplexelnovatillo: tug on the pull chain
08:26.37robinkKage`: If there was a debian 2.6, it's rather old at this point.
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08:27.17stewrobink: that's not a debian version.  its a version of a linux kernel released with an old version of centos
08:27.21streuner_elnovatillo: you start X again...
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08:27.25robinkKage`: No, last minor version of major version 2 of debian was 2.2.
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08:27.35Kage`It's kernal
08:27.49simonrvnThe_SNiFF: when debconf ran for it, did it ask you for one? it's been a while since i installed it
08:27.53simonrvn!kernal
08:27.53dpkg*KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL*
08:27.53Kage`I dunno what the debian version is, really.  It's a VPS
08:28.10The_SNiFFsimonrvn: dunno those are servers i didn't install
08:28.21simonrvnmm ok
08:28.30stewKage`: someone commented out those include lines.
08:28.37simonrvndpkg-reconfigure -plow mdadm
08:28.44The_SNiFFrobink: CentOS?
08:28.54simonrvnrobink: this is #debian ;)
08:28.55Kage`stew, well, I uncommented the common-auth, and it now asks for a password, no matter who su's
08:28.56robinkThe_SNiFF: stew inferred that we were talking about CentOS.
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08:29.01robinksimonrvn: I'm well aware of that.
08:29.07simonrvnrobink: *grin*
08:29.12Kage`stew, but it only allows the proper password to authenticate for suable-grouped users
08:29.36stewKage`: is that not what you wanted?
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08:29.46robinkObviously I'm doing a poor job of tracking on this conversation and its context...I'll politely butt out as I try to sort out my little debootstrap mess...
08:29.54Kage`stew, I want it to completely deny people who do not belong to the suable group
08:30.02Kage`But prompt for a password for those who do
08:30.15Kage`By completely deny, I mean not even prompt
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08:30.30stewKage`: and right now it is allowing people to su wh do not belong to the su group?
08:31.10stewoh
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08:31.59stewKage`: why not just "chgrp sugroup /bin/su ; chmod o-x /bin/su"
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08:32.44Kage`stew, because I want people to be able to su into other users
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08:33.18stew< Kage`> stew, I want it to completely deny people who do not belong to the suable group
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08:33.33Kage`stew, completely deny their ability to su to root
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08:34.02elnovatilloktorrent is teh best option for torreents?
08:34.09Kage`Like if they do not belong in "suable", and they type "su", it'll say: "Permission denied".  If they DO belong to "suable", ot
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08:34.11Kage`Ack
08:34.19Kage`stew, ... it'll prompt for a password
08:34.25stew03:31 < stew> Kage`: why not just "chgrp sugroup /bin/su ; chmod o-x /bin/su"
08:34.26stormshadowgnome rules
08:34.38Kage`[03:32:46A] { Kage`} stew, because I want people to be able to su into other users
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08:35.05elnovatillognome > kde ?
08:35.08stormshadowtransformers
08:35.21etelnovatillo: if you sort lexically, no
08:35.23Kage`Is there a way to block the password prompt from people who DO NOT belong to the "suable" group IF AND ONLY IF they're trying to su into root?
08:35.31stewKage`: no
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08:35.38Kage`Dammit :/
08:35.55stewafaik
08:36.11stewKage`: if you want that kind of fine grained control, use sudo
08:36.19usedhi there ... anybody knows a bacup system that burn data on the dvds when the archives become a given size? rather than doing it periodically?
08:36.52stewKage`: or write a wrapper for su
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08:37.03Kage`Eh, this is good enough, I guess...
08:37.33robinkHow would I go about installing Debian with a foreign Linux environment?
08:37.42stewKage`: when you are at the point that an unauthorized user knows your root password, you probably already lost
08:37.46robink(i.e. a Gentoo LiveCD)?
08:37.54streuner_rob: debootstrap
08:37.56stewrobink: /msg dpkg debootstrap
08:38.21robinkstreuner_, stew: debootstrap either wants perl or pkgdetails (which apparently is written in C).
08:38.41robinkThis is a blank system being initally set up using a totally foreign install system.
08:38.55streuner_!rube goldberg install
08:38.55dpkg"Hi!  I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card.  I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
08:39.21streuner_same situation, Linux without PERL...
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08:39.34robinkI have a network device, a CD-ROM drive and I can use an external mass storage device if necessary.
08:39.47streuner_read ig then
08:39.49streuner_!ig
08:39.49dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5).  Lenny is now the new Testing!
08:39.58stewrobink: are you sure it needs perl?
08:40.03stewrobink: what is pkgdetails?
08:40.05robinkstew: It says it does.
08:40.12robinkstew: No idea, it's not in p.d.o.
08:40.15stewrobink: where does it say this?
08:40.22robinkstew: On the commandline when I run it.
08:41.49stewrobink: yeah, it looks liek it either needs perl or a c compiler
08:42.04stewrobink: pkgdetails.c is distributed with debootstrap
08:42.21robinkstew: A C compiler I have access to (not from the LiveCD environment but from my desktop/workstation).
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08:42.31simonrvn!depends debootstrap
08:42.32dpkgdebootstrap: depends on wget, binutils
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08:42.43robinkstew: Desktop of course has perl as well, but as Perl is purely an interpreted language, a perl interpreter on my desktop is of little use ot the target machine.
08:42.58simonrvnwth
08:43.04robinksimonrvn: That very well may be, but it runs and then dies with a nonzero exit code saying it needs perl and/or pkgdetails.
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08:43.17stewrobink: yes.  it needs either perl or pkgdetails
08:43.27simonrvnprobably for debconf or some dpkg thing
08:43.46robinkstew: OK then.  ...and seeing as I'm really not excited about bootstrapping perl onto this target system and I can't find either a binary or source for pkgdetails, I'm feeling rather stuck.
08:44.00The_SNiFFWhats the idea behind a wet willy? :S
08:44.13stewrobink: what os is the target machine running now?
08:44.24robinkThe_SNiFF: Traditionally, it's lick your thumb and poke it in someone's ear.
08:44.35The_SNiFFyeah, but, why? thats disgusting
08:44.40robinkstew: Nothing.  It's been formatted ext3, that's it.  It's running a Gentoo LiveCD.
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08:44.49stewrobink: and a gentoo livecd doesn't have perl?
08:44.51robinkstew: ...as the Debian net install livecd did not have network drivers (?!?!)
08:45.00simonrvnThe_SNiFF: it's supposed to be funny/disgusting
08:45.01stewrobink: what network card?
08:45.04robinkstew: Not this one.  The larger image may have a perl interpreter, I don't remember.
08:45.08robinkstew: USB network dongle.
08:45.15The_SNiFFwhats funny about that. thats seriously stupid :O
08:45.16robinkstew: Realtek chipset, forget the model number.
08:45.59simonrvnThe_SNiFF: yes it is. but sometimes people are amused by stupid things ;)
08:46.04stewi'm very suprised that there would exist a livecd without perl
08:46.09robinkstew: RTL8150.
08:46.19simonrvnstew: same here
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08:46.36robinkstew: ...and again, there are *no* network drivers on the Debian netinstall CD, USB or otherwise.
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08:46.50simonrvnLOLZ WEE DONT NEEDZ PEARL ON THIZ LIVECD LOLZ
08:46.52stewrobink: there are lots of network drivers on the debian netinstall cd
08:47.11robinkstew: I was unable to find them, as was the debian install system.
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08:47.41The_SNiFFsimonrvn odd people :p
08:47.48simonrvnhehe
08:48.04ivan_I have just installed a default 4.0r1 on whole disk with encryption. After passphrase: "cryptsetup failed". Is it a known problem? solution?
08:48.05The_SNiFFi like stupid funny stuff, but here it'll get you smacked silly
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08:48.44BudgetDedicatedanyone here from italy with a moderate to good connection that is willing to run a test for me?
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08:48.53stew!find rtl8150.ko etch
08:48.58dpkgDebian Search of 'rtl8150.ko' (3 of 18): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/net/rtl8150.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/net/rtl8150.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/usb/net/rtl8150.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-686.
08:49.08robinkI'm currently in the process of pulling the Debian Etch DVD #1 over BitTorrent in the hopes that it will have a more complete set of network drivers in a place I would recognize (/lib/modules/`uname -r` would be nice); hopefully it won't bump me into a GUI without giving me the option of a text-based install.
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08:49.31robinkstew: Very good.  How would I go about obtaining that package from a LiveCD environment where there is no network support?
08:50.30stewrobink: this driver would also be included on the netinst cd.
08:50.40robinkstew: ...as a package?
08:51.14stewrobink: no, as a loadable module for the kernel that the install boots
08:51.37stewrobink: boot the installer, hit "alt-f2" and try to run "modprobe rtl8150"
08:51.48robinkstew: Again, the setup system found no such module and I was unable to find a module by looking through /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/net.
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08:52.09robinkstew: This was made slightly bumpy by the fact that /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/net *didn't exist*.
08:52.25robinkstew: I did, nothing came of it.
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08:53.24wolsrobink: did you try to install lenny?
08:53.34stewrobink: /msg dpkg kmuto
08:53.38robinkwols: Does lenny have an install image?
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08:54.08robinkstew: OK, but I was slightly thrown by the fact that the netinstall LiveCD environment seemed to have *no* network drivers.  None.
08:54.15robinkstew: Old or otherwise.
08:54.24stewrobink: it has many.  in fact it probably has the one you need
08:54.31robinkstew: I will nontheless try the image you linked me to.
08:54.44robinkstew: I did not find them in any place I was expecting to look.
08:54.47elnovatillorobink: you insatll any debian, then switch to lenny
08:54.48stewrobink: actually i suggest you just use the official net install
08:54.56stewrobink: did you try running "modprobe rtl8150"?
08:54.57robinkstew: That what I thought I was using.
08:55.03robinkelnovatillo: That was the plan.
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08:55.22robinkelnovatillo: ...and it's how I've done installs of testing/ in the past.
08:55.30robinkstew: Yes.  It didn't work.
08:55.33elnovatillorobink: the net install worked quiet fine for me yesterday
08:55.57wolsrobink: debian doesn't really have a livecd
08:56.01robinkelnovatillo: It's entirely possible I am using the wrong image or am simply unfamiliar with Debian's way of packaging and/or namespacing drivers.
08:56.07ivan_I have just installed a default 4.0r1 on whole disk with encryption, net install cd. After passphrase: "cryptsetup failed". Is it a known problem? solution?
08:56.16robinkwols: OK then, the install CD image.  Not sure what else to call it.
08:56.17elnovatillowhats that primitive thingie about "live cd" ?
08:56.25robinkReal men netboot?
08:56.28wolsrobink: how big is the image?
08:56.31robinkwols: Holdon
08:56.42robinkwols: 164M
08:56.55wolsthat is the netinst iso yes. I asked before: lenny?
08:57.12robinkwols: I'm still not sure what you mean.  The LiveCD wants to set up the network before it gets to actually installing.
08:57.26robinkwols: I am unable to install Etch so I can install Lenny by way of a dist-upgrade.
08:57.33wolsa) three is no livecd b) you don't know what version you install?
08:57.38elnovatillorobink:  real men netboot??  we call that Netinstall in debian
08:57.51robinkwols: I'm aware that I will initially be installing Etch, and I then plan to upgrade to lenny/testing.
08:58.13robinkelnovatillo: No, a netboot is when you actually do not use any physical media besides the 10/100bT link layer.
08:58.17wolsas stew showed you, your realtek 8150 has a driver in the kernel
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08:58.23mikeselnovatillo: there is also a netboot installation media
08:58.33stewrobink: the debian stable netinst contains a driver for your card
08:58.38stewrobink: i just found it on the cd myself
08:58.47robinkwols: That may be, but the driver is not in /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel/drivers/net, and I am unable to pull the package as I have no 'net connection.
08:58.54robinkstew: Where?
08:59.02robinkstew: Also, it's not a card, being connected via USB it's a dongle.
08:59.05stewrobink: inside ./pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6/nic-usb-modules-2.6.18-4-486-di_1.44_i386.udeb
08:59.19wolsrobink: in a debian etch installer?
08:59.20robinkstew: Is the install environment rootfs ro?
08:59.28robinkwols: Correct.
08:59.30robinkwols: 4.0-r1
08:59.33stewrobink: no
08:59.35robinkstew: No?
08:59.39stewno
08:59.42robinkstew: 4.0 is not Etch?
08:59.48stewrobink: 4.0 is etch
08:59.52wolsrobink: it is. but it has the driver you say it hasn't
09:00.08robinkwols: ...as a package?  I was told it was *not* a package earlier..
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09:00.17wolsno. in the kernel debian installs
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09:00.20wolssee above
09:00.26robinkwols: I see those as packages.
09:00.34wolsit's your kernel
09:00.43stewrobink: yes, its a package
09:00.47robinkwols: uh, no, it's kernel modules presumably *for* my kernel.
09:00.50Supaplexit's nutrition on a stick
09:01.15robinkSupaplex: Sorry, I still plan to *load* the modules, not *eat* them.
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09:03.12robinkPlease excuse me
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09:06.39robinkOK, I'm pulling the DVD install image (DVD 1 of the 3 (4?) DVD set).
09:06.49robinkHopefully it'll contain the proper kernel module in-tree.
09:06.53elnovatillorobink: LOL
09:06.58robinkelnovatillo: No such luck?
09:07.16stewrobink: as far as kernel modules are concerned.  the dvd will be setup identically to the netinst
09:07.16wolsrobink: btw. you don't need to setup your network to install debian
09:07.18elnovatillorobink: i think you should try Ubuntu
09:07.20wolsnot even with the netinst
09:07.33wolsonly with the businesscard iso. there you need it
09:07.35stewrobink: that is to say that it would also have the driver for your network card that the cd you already have does
09:07.38robinkwols: I was not aware of that.  I assumed that the netinst was what the name implied.
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09:08.20robinkstew: There's an implication there that the CD environment contains a driver in-tree as opposed to wrapped up in a package.
09:08.31stewrobink: the netinst contains a base system including a fully functional kernel, the name is meant to mean that if you want anything more than a base system you better be able to fetch any additional packages via the network
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09:08.55stewrobink: it shouldn't metter to you how the driver exists on the cd.  and the dvd would have the drivers packaged the same way
09:08.57PabloHi all!
09:09.04robinkstew: It will?
09:09.08robinkstew: Well, I'll cancel the download then.
09:09.13stewrobink: yes.  it will
09:09.19robinkstew: Please excuse me
09:10.11stewrobink: the cd/dvd does not contain a single kernel driver that is NOT wrapped up in a package
09:10.11PabloAnyone can I help me in order to build deb packages?
09:10.20stewPablo: /msg dpkg maint-guide
09:10.30stewPablo: if you have a more specific question, just ask it
09:11.26PabloCan anyone help me in order to build deb packages?
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09:11.37stewPablo: not unless you ask a more specific question
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09:11.42robinkstew: I disagree.  The netinst CD environment indeed contained drivers (in /lib/modules/kernelversion/kernel), they were just few and far between.
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09:12.03stewrobink: the netinst cd doesn't have a /lib directory
09:12.13robinkstew: The one I booted into did.
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09:12.19sobersabrefreaking NFS.
09:12.22sobersabrehi guys.
09:12.26elnovatillo2robink:  i heard ubuntu is a non brainer install distro, should work for you
09:12.35sobersabreI am trying to debug NFS problems once in a while.
09:12.36stormshadownfs rocks
09:12.41sobersabreNFS sux.
09:12.50stormshadowit's fast
09:12.54robinkelnovatillo2: It's ironic that so far the Debian install system is assuming I have a lower intelligence and familiarity with Linux than the Ubuntu install CD, but I'll give it another look.
09:13.08sobersabrestormshadow, it's not scalable.
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09:13.22sobersabreand if you're happy, you have a VERY simple network.
09:13.23stewrobink: when it boots it creates a /lib in memory and starts unpacking kernel udebs into it.  but the cd itself contains no .ko files that are not in packages
09:13.29PabloIs there any specific tool to build deb packages from binary file?
09:13.40robinkstew: I should have looked at /proc/mounts more carefully in that case.
09:13.41stormshadowscalable as any lan
09:13.57robinkstew: I assumed that /lib was just an extension of the rootfs (a ro cramfs-type setup).
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09:14.01sobersabrestormshadow, I have a mixed 100 and 1000 equipment.
09:14.11sobersabreI have a hell of problems.
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09:14.30stormshadowfor a peer 2 peer?
09:14.34sobersabreDo you think you can throw me a tip or 2  ( Taken into account that I did rtfm )
09:14.53sobersabrewhat do you mean p2p ?
09:15.02rrkcan any tell me the max memory size for a standard etch install or where the kernel config file is ?
09:15.10sobersabrethe server doesn't feel any load.
09:15.23sobersabrethe clients stall when heaevy NFS IO occurs
09:15.34sobersabreI cannot even run ps
09:15.37sobersabreor ls
09:15.41sobersabreor whatever.
09:16.00stewrrk: what does "uname -r" say?
09:16.00sobersabremaybe I shall start playing with sysctl.
09:16.14rrk1 sec
09:16.15stewrrk: the kernel config is /boot/config-$(uname -r)
09:16.24rrkthanks
09:16.48stewrrk: debian -486 kernels are set for 1gb, -686, -k7 for 4gb
09:17.05stormshadowsobersabre I use nfs just for a local area network using all *nix machines & a printer
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09:17.45stormshadowsimilar to an microsoft client environment
09:18.19sobersabrestormshadow, "all" is ... how many ?
09:18.21sobersabre:)
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09:19.46stormshadowthe standard size for such an environment is no more than 20 nodes; otherwise I'd use an client server environmnet
09:19.55rrkthanks that is the problem i need atleast 2 gig -- is it still the bigmemory pram?
09:20.16stewrrk: what does "uname -r" say?  what cpu do you have?
09:20.25rrk486
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09:20.32stormshadowsobersabre: im not sure what u've got going on
09:20.48stormshadowmaybe somthing complex
09:20.55stormshadowout of my scope
09:20.56stewrrk: what does "uname -r" say?
09:21.09rrki should rebuild -- the problem is that parallels will only work with a 32 bit kernel
09:21.16sobersabrestormshadow, ok. thanks.
09:21.23rrk1 sec
09:21.29basantaI was following this doc http://roback.cc/howtos/bandwidth.php   , can any one look and tell me do I have to have cbq( no idea what it is) installed?
09:21.42stewrrk: what do you mean by "parallels"?
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09:21.58stewbasanta: what does "uname -r" say?
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09:22.41basantastew, 2.6.18-4-686
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09:23.17stewbasanta: then you have cbq.  you would need the "iproute" package to be able to actually manipulate the rules.  is there a reason you are using cbq instead of htb?
09:24.00stewbasanta: have a look at the wondershaper package
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09:25.18rrk2.6.18-5-486
09:25.25stewrrk: what cpu do you have?
09:25.36rrkathlon 3500
09:25.55stewrrk: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7
09:26.12rrkok is that 64 bit?
09:26.20stewrrk: no.  it is 32 bit
09:26.25stormshadow:(
09:26.33basantastew, I was just trying to manage some lan users bandwidth
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09:26.41rrkgood  kernel-image xxxx right?
09:26.51stewrrk: no, linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7
09:26.58rrkok i see
09:27.02stewerr linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7
09:27.24basantastew, thanks for the suggestion I will look at wondershaper
09:28.09basantastew, is wondershaper good for IP masquerade bandwidth management?
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09:28.55stewbasanta: well cbq would let you say "limit this user to only X kb/s, even if he's the only one trying to use any bandwidth at all" whereas htb would let you say, "limit him to X kb/s unless nobody else is doing anything, in which case, let him use more bandwidth"
09:29.22stewbasanta: yes, wondershaper is good for ip masquerade too
09:29.39basantastew, ok that's better
09:30.16basantastew, can you provide me the link to the good docs
09:30.32wolsbasanta: lartc.org
09:30.58Supaplex!cbq
09:30.58dpkgcbq is probably Class Based Queueing, a queuing method for traffic control. Like limiting or reserving bandwith for a certain kind of traffic. A CBQ can contains multiple classes, which contain other queues themself
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09:33.38CyberMadmay someone help me with scripting.. no one in ubuntu or xubuntu channel can help me :(
09:33.41CyberMadsome of employee that use ubuntu 7.04 have problem with CUPS, so they must do: sudo -i   then enter password, then run /etc/init.d/cupsys restart   after that printer start printing... do you know how to make sudo -i with password then /etc/init.d/cupsys restart in single command or script?
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09:35.30wolsCyberMad: no we don't cause it's ubuntu
09:35.43SupaplexCyberMad: topic :)
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09:36.40CyberMad:) hehe
09:37.00CyberMadok sorry
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09:37.09SupaplexCyberMad: provided they haven't munged cups, read up on the cupsd.conf to change access/grants on printer restarting from the web interface
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09:37.40ringo999when installing a package through aptitude, how can I see where files have been installed to?
09:37.53Supaplexringo999: dpkg -L <package>
09:38.00jkitchenso.. I'm trying to upgrade a woody machine to etch, and now all of my packages are in an unconfigured state.  i try running dpkg --configure perl but it won't let me, saying perl-modules isn't configured.  i can't dpkg --configure perl-modules because perl isn't configured.  any advice?
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09:38.45Supaplexjkitchen: um, upgrade one dist at a time? what happened to sarge?
09:38.49wolsjkitchen: did you try to upgrade to sarge first?
09:39.09jkitchenno :\
09:39.18jkitchenmethinks that's part of the issue, eh? heh
09:39.29ukhwoody is a very different creature
09:39.34jkitchenblah.
09:39.49wolsjkitchen: it's not "part", it IS the issue
09:39.52stormshadowwoody is from back in da day
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09:40.12jkitchenis there a way to fix this?
09:40.22jkitchenwithout reinstalling entirely that is :)
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09:40.32jkitchenthat's not such a huge problem really, just a pain
09:41.12stewjkitchen: try to upgrade to sarge, if you have problems upgrading to sarge, show us the actual commands and actual errors in a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
09:41.35jkitchenwell, I think I've got mostly etch already installed at this point
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09:42.06jkitcheni'll give it a shot though
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09:43.58jkitchenamazingly this thing has just been churning out mail the whole time like i'm not even doing anything, heh
09:44.01elnovatilloHello, why my videos are looking like this??? http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2802/snapshot1jr1.png
09:44.05jkitchenold dual p3 500
09:45.18daliaselnovatillo, what program is that?
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09:45.53elnovatillodalias: kaboodle
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09:46.12daliasi dunno, i guess the program is buggy
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09:47.02elnovatillodalias: it looks the same in noatun, mplayer... etc
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09:47.13ringo999<PROTECTED>
09:47.17daliasokay 2 more possibilities
09:47.19daliasringo999, vrms
09:47.29dalias1. the video file itself is bogus
09:47.31daliasor
09:47.39dalias2. your xv driver is buggy
09:47.43daliastry mplayer -vo x11
09:47.49daliasand see if that fixes the problem
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09:48.05daliasif so, the xv driver (part of the video driver in X) is broken
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09:54.25debian-is-mehello
09:54.46Supaplexhell                    +o
09:55.14debian-is-meI installed debian from an netinstal thing. Now it tells me my wireless card isn't wrieless. Can it be that I haven't installed wireless-tools?
09:55.56stewdebian-is-me: what does you your wireless card isn't wireless, and what exactly does it say?
09:56.03stew^does^tells
09:56.29debian-is-meIn network configuration it shows me 2 wired cards and a modem
09:56.36debian-is-meI only have one wired
09:56.41debian-is-meand 1 wireless
09:56.58stewdebian-is-me: the other wired card is probably firewire
09:57.06stewdebian-is-me: which wireless card do you have?
09:57.13xandif you're debian you should be the expert :D
09:57.40debian-is-meBut Kubuntu livecd manages it fine
09:57.47debian-is-meand it shows only one wired card
09:57.51Supaplexhow do I quote control charaters in irssi?
09:57.52stewdebian-is-me: what driver does the kubuntu cd use for it?
09:58.00liableatheros?
09:58.06debian-is-meI don't know
09:58.18debian-is-meknetworkmanager
09:58.21stewdebian-is-me: what wireless card do you have?  which chipset does it use?
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09:58.47debian-is-mentel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
09:58.59stew!ipw3945
09:59.00dpkgIf you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
09:59.03olivahi there ... how do I list non essential packages with dpkg ?
09:59.40debian-is-methen i'll reboot and can you tell me again then?
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10:00.16rrkstew thanks all up and working
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10:00.44stew!ipw3945 =~ s#ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)#ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d#
10:00.45dpkgstew: OK
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10:01.15torrhow to install TTF for all users?
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10:06.14rrki have broadcom 4318 and 4306 etch on a a22 thinkpad  and sid on a t30 the cards seems to function as radios iwlist scan show the router and iwconfig shows the card but no connection and no dhcp with all security turned off
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10:06.50Daemon--i need to get etch version 2.6.15, anyone know where can download it from?
10:07.07rrkused b43 cutter sid bcm43xx for etch
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10:07.43wolsDaemon--: does not exist
10:07.49debian-is-me<PROTECTED>
10:08.07wolsrrk: do you have the bcm43xx firmware?
10:08.12rrkyes
10:08.17wols!anyone use old debian
10:08.17dpkgNo, no one uses old debian, not even the people who use it.
10:08.18Daemon--wols - u know what i mean
10:08.19liableDaemon--: snapshot.debian.net (beware that it may have security issues)
10:08.44Daemon--liable - yeah i'll update it after ive installed it....
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10:08.56liablerrk: does iwconfig show it as associated? ap mac address is shown and signal level?
10:09.26Daemon--just cant use any other versiont o get it on my system
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10:09.28rrkno ap but signal levels
10:09.42stewDaemon--: why can't you use a newer kernel?
10:09.50liablerrk: paste the ouput on a pastebin
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10:10.01rrkiwconfig?
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10:10.05liableyeah
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10:10.16rrk1 sec
10:10.22Daemon--stew - because there's known problems with it going onto dell poweredge 1950 and ive tried every other kernal
10:10.35tarzeauwasn't there an option in /etc somewhere that disabled updating of /etc/motd via bootmisc.sh ?
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10:10.54Daemon--stew - thats why i need it http://www.mail-archive.com/yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com/msg00492.html
10:10.58torranyone knows how to install TTF for all users?
10:11.07torrTTF fonts
10:11.14tarzeautorr: put in /usr/share/fonts/
10:11.20liabletarzeau: motd.tail?
10:11.31wols!defoma
10:11.32dpkghmm... defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts.
10:11.33torrtarzeau: that is all?
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10:11.58tarzeauliable: what do i do with that file?
10:12.03debian-is-mewould debian work with wpa? work well?
10:12.05tarzeautorr: i think so, depends for which software
10:12.11liabletarzeau: edit it how you like?
10:12.16stewDaemon--: that info is from before etch released.  it is talking about problems using yaird, which the current installers do not use.  have you tried a current etch installer?
10:12.30stewDaemon--: the last time I installed on a 1950 i used a newer kernel
10:12.47Daemon--stew - were you using sas drives?
10:12.47tarzeauliable: but that's only tailed, i want to replace it completely
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10:12.56tarzeauliable: the bootmisc.sh doesn't seem to allow that?
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10:13.01stewDaemon--: yes
10:13.11Daemon--then your my new best friend
10:13.18Daemon--cos ive been at this 24hours now
10:13.27stewDaemon--: have you tried a current etch installer?
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10:13.50Daemon--ive tried about 6 different kernals, a latest daily release, and http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ this one included
10:14.07Daemon--can you point me to the one you used please?
10:14.09stewDaemon--: and what happens?
10:14.20torrtarzeau: My /usr/share/fonts/ has three subdirs, truetype  type1  X11
10:14.24stewDaemon--: no, i can't i don't believe it exists any longer
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10:14.27Daemon--well different things for different ones
10:14.39sauvinDoes a base install include apt-get?
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10:14.46tarzeautorr: put it in truetype, but the ./ works too
10:14.47stewDaemon--: can you give me an example?
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10:14.53stewsauvin: yes
10:14.54tarzeauliable: #353229
10:15.04tarzeauliable: and it's tagged wontfix :(
10:15.17torrtarzeau: and the truetype has three subdirs too: openoffice/ ttf-dejavu/ ttf-lucida/
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10:15.29sobersabreguys, is it possible that a debian nfs client exceeds his maximum amount of sockets ?
10:15.31torrtarzeau: and the next level have TTF files
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10:15.37rrkwhere is paste bin
10:15.37tarzeauliable: there's 3 bugs about motd at bugs.debian.org/initscripts
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10:15.52Daemon--stew - well one of them gets as far as downloading the packages, then once their downloaded it doesnt install them and hangs. Another version installs it but hangs on reboot, and another verion wont get past the "loading" part from the boot screen
10:15.54tarzeautorr: you can create a subdir for your fonts and throw them in there if you want
10:15.57tarzeautorr: but ./ works too
10:16.21Seven_Six_Twowhy would a LUG need a dns server at an installfest?
10:16.25sobersabreI mean somehow because of network problems the client opens tcp connections, and the sockets hang too long, so their amount always grows until we have a DOS.
10:16.26sobersabre?
10:16.29torrtarzeau: I just want it to work, if it works, I'll be happy
10:16.31sobersabredoes this sound possible ?
10:16.33stewDaemon--: sounds like buggy hardware.  have you run memtest86?
10:16.42Kamping_KaiserSeven_Six_Two, i can think of a number of reasons
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10:17.05Daemon--stew - no, i'll see if its on the cd that came with it
10:17.16Kamping_KaiserSeven_Six_Two, including faking domains like ftp.debian.org, and security.debian.org for during the installs
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10:17.34Seven_Six_Twooh for local mirrors
10:17.52Kamping_Kaiserseems the most obvious answer :)
10:17.56rrkliable where is paste bin
10:17.56Kamping_Kaisertheres others
10:18.02Ronin!paste
10:18.02dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
10:18.04Kamping_Kaiser!tell rrk about pastebin
10:18.08Seven_Six_Twocan all distros be installed over the network like debian?
10:18.22liablerrk: pastebin.ca
10:18.26Seven_Six_Twowhat others?
10:18.26Daemon--stew - each cd hangs at exactly the same point every time, very consistant. are you sure its going to be hardware? the ssystem reports the ram as 4gig like its supposed to
10:18.27petemcDaemon--: i run debian on a good number of 1950s, theres a few hoops you have to jump through
10:18.28Kamping_KaiserSeven_Six_Two, probably.
10:18.46Kamping_KaiserSeven_Six_Two, all debian based and redhat based can, along with all gentoo based
10:18.51Kamping_Kaiserprobably most/all others too
10:18.53Daemon--petemc - with sas drives?
10:18.58petemcyes
10:19.05petemcyou need to rebuild the initrd after the first reboot
10:19.11petemcusing yaird
10:19.14Seven_Six_Twodo they all have minimal install cd's? I know you can do it with a floppy
10:19.19stewpetemc: really?  yaird?
10:19.23Seven_Six_Twoor usb
10:19.23petemcyup
10:19.28Daemon--petemc - can you point me first to the right netinstall iso please?
10:19.29stewinitramfs-tools works fine on mine
10:19.35rrkhttp://paste.debian.net/41780
10:19.38Kamping_KaiserSeven_Six_Two, no idea. i dont use not-debian based systems :)
10:19.47xand!nvidia
10:19.47dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
10:19.59xand!nvidia one-liner
10:19.59dpkg[nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.  1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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10:20.26petemcDaemon--: use the one you have, when you get the part you're supposed to reboot, boot off the cd again, mount your drives and install yaird
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10:20.46petemcthis is well documented
10:20.54stewthat's nuts.  yaird hasn't even been updated since before the hardware was manufactured
10:21.02petemchttp://henrihovi.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-on-dell-power-edge-1950.html
10:21.07stewand initramfs-tools works fine for me
10:21.14petemcon a 1950?
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10:21.23stewyes
10:21.28stewon a couple
10:21.32Daemon--petemc - ive been there 100x already and it doesnt work
10:21.38debian-is-meHow can i get the thing on the right side? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Linux_sreenshot.jpg
10:22.03cicoI can't find my apt.conf file. where is it located.
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10:22.11Daemon--petemc - ive found only one version that i can actually get theough the install on but i cant clikc back twice because it wont let me leave the partition manu once i reach it
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10:22.17wsxwshi there
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10:22.19Appiahthat exact one debian-is-me ?
10:22.33dimirMoin!
10:22.34stewthough who knows. the only things my 1950s could have to do with yours is that they for no good reason share the same model number
10:22.42debian-is-meSomethign like it, I want the ram and cpu thingi
10:22.45Daemon--and if i go into the terminal from there it doesnt find /dev/sda1
10:22.53debian-is-meand hardrive thingi
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10:23.01wsxwswhat would be the smartest way to do 'cat /etc/iptables-save | iptables-restore -c' automaticly on startup ?
10:23.13Daemon--stew - what drives are you drunning?
10:23.20Daemon--running*
10:23.58stewDaemon--: i have no idea.  all i know is that it has 6tb of drives connected via a sas on a perc5 controller
10:24.19stewDaemon--: try "modprobe megaraid_sas" and see if /dev/sda1 show us
10:24.22Daemon--HMM COULD HAVE SWORE IT ONLY USPPORTS 1.5TB
10:24.27Daemon--upps caps off
10:24.58Daemon--stew you'll have to bear with me if you dont mind while i get to that point again
10:25.08stewhere's one slice Disk /dev/sdb: 4192.1 GB, 4192156516352 bytes
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10:25.52wsxwsdid at least anybody see my question ?
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10:26.21stewwsxws: in a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces)
10:26.29stew(uuoc)
10:26.41jkitchenheh.  slowly but surely this woody -> halfway to etch is getting sidegraded to sarge :)
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10:26.49wsxwswhat does that mean exactly ?
10:26.52mrakhello
10:27.03Kamping_Kaiserhi
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10:27.04bzedstew: how are the controllers performance-wise?
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10:27.08onvsopheya all :)
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10:27.18elnovatillodalias: how do i fix the problem you said: the xv driver (part of the video driver in X) is broken
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10:27.33stewbzed: 42?
10:27.39elnovatillodalias: mplayer -vo x11 works fine...
10:27.39stew:)
10:27.42bzed:P
10:27.47daliaselnovatillo, what video driver/card do you have?
10:27.48Daemon--stew - itsd just installing now
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10:27.55stewi probably have bonnie++ output sitting around somewhere
10:27.58elnovatillodalias:  im using a ati x1300
10:28.01onvsopcan anyone help me out, i come from gentoo gackgroud and am used to the latest packages, there are some packages what i need the newest version of, but i have had a look and there are no backports, what is my best option
10:28.21daliasare you using some proprietary driver? or the one supplied ith debian?
10:28.22onvsopi have tried upgrading to testing/unstable - but this breakes other packages i need
10:28.25bzedonvsop: if you're used to fix a probably buggy system, use testing/unstable
10:28.39bzedonvsop: which packages does it break?
10:28.43onvsopmysql-server
10:28.46onvsop:(
10:28.49mrakwhen i try to build package it tell me compatibility level before 4 deprecated ... but packages were builded
10:28.54bzedonvsop: there should be a more recent verison in testing
10:28.55alex^^can anyone tell me why my x11 is not booting in dual head monitors? http://pastebin.com/m63b38fa5
10:29.03mrakits some warning or some fatal error ?
10:29.24simonrvnjust a warning
10:29.24elnovatillodalias:  propietary ati driver, the installer generated .deb files and i installed
10:29.25bzedonvsop: but the mysql-maintainer is looking for people to help with the packaging, so it may be older than it needs to be
10:29.28wsxwsstew could you please tell me a litle bit more cleare what i would have to do ?
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10:29.47onvsopahh isee
10:29.48mraksimonrvn: ok ... a wich problem with it ?
10:29.54onvsop:/
10:29.56cicoduring dist-upgrade, where does aptitude download the packages, which directory?
10:30.09onvsopthere is a but which stops it from installing/starting
10:30.18stewwsxws: add a 'pre-up' line to the stanza for the interface you want to protect in /etc/network/interfaces that calls iptables-restore
10:30.33daliaselnovatillo, then complain to ati, or else use the free driver
10:30.37daliasit's their bug
10:30.38rrkliable http://paste.debian.net/41780
10:30.47daliasif you use proprietary crap you're on your own
10:30.47liabletarzeau: i thought thats what the purpose of motd.yail was
10:30.50alex^^can anyone tell me why my x11 is not booting in dual head monitors? http://pastebin.com/m63b38fa5   # its loading up x11 and both monitors have the same screen, and the desktop is not spanning across two monitors .... =/ ... can someone check my conf please
10:30.54wsxwswhat is a pre-up line, what means stanza ?
10:30.59stewalex^^:         Screen      1  "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen1"
10:31.06stewalex^^: shouldn't one of those be Screen0 ?
10:31.14alex^^ah ok
10:31.28alex^^is there an easy way to shutdown x11 without having to do a hardreboot?
10:31.32liablerrk: hrm, can you paste the iwlist scan output?
10:31.33alex^^a reboot i mean
10:31.49stewalex^^: "Videocard0" should have "Screen 0" and a busid afaik
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10:31.55alex^^i remember from ctrl+alt key than would shutdown x11 and allow you to reboot
10:31.55stewalex^^: /etc/init.d/?dm restart
10:31.58wsxwscould u please tell me something like in file x add line y at position z ?
10:32.07stewwsxws: i did
10:32.46iguannahi all, do anybody what opction have to use with 'ls' to get the number of file into a dir?
10:32.50wsxwsthat might be corect if i would know what pre-up line would mean and what stanza is
10:32.52elnovatilloalex^^: add    Option      "DesktopSetup" "horizontal"   to your video card settings in xorg.conf
10:32.54stewwsxws: file: /etc/network/interfaces. position: the end of the interface stanza for the interface you are trying to protect, line: a line "pre-up command" where command is the command you want to have executed
10:33.04stewwsxws: if you don't, then read, "man interfaces"
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10:33.28alex^^elnovatillo, where abouts?
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10:33.35alex^^which section
10:33.43wsxwsi am german and those manuals are way to complicated to get them if u dont have a clue what they are talking about
10:33.52elnovatilloalex^^: add    Option      "DesktopSetup" "horizontal"   to your "video card" settings in xorg.conf
10:33.56stewalex^^: Device
10:33.56wsxwsthose manuals would be much better if there were some examples
10:34.08stewwsxws: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
10:34.16alex^^in both of them
10:34.18alex^^or just one?
10:34.29stewalex^^: you already have them in one, i'm saying to add it to the other
10:34.31elnovatillodalias: ok im switched now to ATI provided by debian, where should i go to fix the issue?
10:34.32zerodhey
10:34.54daliaselnovatillo, you need to report the bug to ati if you want them to fix it
10:35.01iguannai have used 'ls -la |wc -l ' other ways?
10:35.03stewbzed: http://paste.debian.net/41782
10:35.10daliasi dunno how to do that
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10:35.14steinchenhi
10:35.17daliasi don't use proprietary drivers
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10:35.22elnovatillodalias: im using now teh debian ati drivers, not the propietaries
10:35.36daliasdoes the bug still exist with the ones in debian?
10:35.37rrkliable ok will paste
10:35.39bzedstew: oh nice. is that a raid5?
10:35.45daliasif so, i doubt you really switched drivers..
10:35.46elnovatillodalias: yes
10:35.46Daemon--ok ive installed it, rebooted with the cd again, and gone back through the installtion until ive got to the partition part. i cant click back though cos t reloads the same page and wont let me go further back, stew, petemc
10:35.55stewbzed: yeah, 14 disk raid5 i think
10:36.03alex^^stew, this: http://pastebin.com/m2888eb2f ?
10:36.07steinchenhow do i get the last month like `date +%b` .. but the last month aswell? (like -1 month ago ...)
10:36.09alex^^elnovatillo, http://pastebin.com/m2888eb2f ... looks ok?
10:36.12zerodthat's a secret
10:36.14daliaselnovatillo, did you shutdown X and restart it? did you check which driver it's using now?
10:36.27elnovatillodalias: ok ill restart now
10:36.31dalias...
10:36.41elnovatillodalias:  to be sure is, VESA  the name for the driver rigth?
10:36.54bzedstew: good thing. sound slike somehting I could use :D
10:37.02elnovatillodalias: im changing Driver      "fglrx" for "vesa"
10:37.10steinchenis there something like 'date +%b -1 month ago' ?
10:37.12daliasno, vesa is a generic driver for any card with no acceleration at all
10:37.27daliasthe driver is probably called ati or something but i dunno for sure
10:37.31daliasask someone who uses ati
10:37.34elnovatillodalias: so whats the name for ati drivers provided by debian?
10:37.37stewbzed: me too.  it isn't mine.  its a client's
10:37.41Daemon--omg this is crazy
10:37.48Daemon--can someone help me please?
10:37.54elnovatilloDaemon--: ask
10:37.58Daemon--again?
10:38.00alex^^elnovatillo, does this conf look ok ? http://pastebin.com/m2888eb2f
10:38.01daliassome ati user, please help elnovatillo
10:38.04Daemon--arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
10:38.12rrkliable http://paste.debian.net/41783
10:38.12Daemon--im going out of my MINDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
10:38.17elnovatilloanyone with ATI video card in the bar?
10:38.32alex^^can someone please tell me if this config http://pastebin.com/m2888eb2f -> looks good for x11 dual monitor spanning desktop
10:38.34Daemon--please can someone help me get debian on a dell poweredge ??????????????????
10:38.41bzedstew: and it is faster than this stupid EMC thing we have here. but well, that's not really configure for performance
10:38.41stewalex^^: it looks fine
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10:39.02stewDaemon--: what exactly are you trying to do?  rebuild the initrd with yaird?
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10:39.23Daemon--stew - dont know, thats the thing i dont know whats wrong or how to fix it
10:39.24stewDaemon--: please stop with all of the repeated charcters.  its annoying
10:39.47stewDaemon--: so debian is currently installed but it won't boot?  or what?
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10:40.02elnovatillohow to uninstall a .deb package? (ie ati drivers propietary)
10:40.14Daemon--http://henrihovi.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-on-dell-power-edge-1950.html << trying to follow that guid (again)
10:40.15stewelnovatillo: dpkg -r packagename
10:40.18Daemon--guide*
10:40.31wsxwsso i just have to add pre-up cat /etc/iptables-save | iptables-restore -c ?
10:40.38Daemon--ive installed it, rebooted with the cd again, and gone back through the installtion until ive got to the partition part. i cant click back though cos t reloads the same page and wont let me go further back, stew
10:40.43liablerrk: you are trying to connect in managed mode to an ad-hoc peer
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10:41.05stewDaemon--: skip that part and go to the "hit alt-f2" part
10:41.09liablerrk: try essid "INTOUCH"
10:41.16harkelnovatillo: which ati card?
10:41.23rrkliable i have tried it both ways
10:41.25elnovatillohark: x1300
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10:41.31Daemon--stew - ok im in the console, now just carry on with the guide?
10:41.34stewDaemon--: yes
10:41.43Daemon--ok 2 seconds and it'll fail
10:41.49liablerrk: set the caps essid and show me the iwconfig output
10:41.49rrkwill reset /etc/network /interfaces
10:41.51stewDaemon--: why will it fail?
10:41.55rrkok
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10:43.11Daemon--mount /dev/sda1 /target <, that returns "no such file or directory"
10:43.19gcosminThis Application has Unexpectedly Quit: Invocation of this Java Application has caused an InvocationTargetException. This application will now exit. (LAX)
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10:43.29stewDaemon--: did you "mkdir /target"?
10:43.33Daemon--yes
10:43.33harkelnovatillo: it's not supported by the free radeon driver. maybe 2d only but with the avivo driver in experimental.
10:43.42stewDaemon--: try "modprobe megaraid_sas"
10:43.44liablerrk: what is the ad-hoc one thats not in caps anyway?
10:43.47gcosminI tried to ./ZendStudio-5_5_0.bin
10:43.54gcosminand I recive that error
10:44.04rrkwill chk
10:44.18Daemon--stew - ok didnt give me any output
10:44.39stewDaemon--: does /dev/sda1 exist now?
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10:44.52Daemon--do the same command as before?
10:44.55stewDaemon--: sure
10:45.02Daemon--no same error
10:45.28Daemon--mounting /dev/sda1 on /target failed: no cuch file or directory
10:45.36Daemon--such*
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10:46.14stewDaemon--: does "cat /proc/partitions" list any partitions starting with sd ?
10:46.29wsxwsstew so i simply had to add pre-up cat /etc/iptables-save | iptables-restore -c at the end of the auto eth0 block but before the auto eth0:1 and following blocks ? (i have 6 ips on here)
10:46.30cicoIs there a command to write a byte at an arbitrary position in /dev/sdb. say I want to write 'AB' (0x41,0x42) at byte 100, 101 of /dev/sdb (usbdisk) ?
10:46.55wolscico: fopen /dev/sdb
10:47.05wolsten fseek and fwrite. like any other file
10:47.10stewwsxws: sounds good
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10:47.21Daemon--stew yea all of them but their not sda1 their sdb, sdb1, sdb2 and sdb5
10:47.21cicowols: that has to be done using C code, right?
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10:47.41stewDaemon--: do you know which is your / partition?
10:47.43erikandhi
10:47.44wolscico: any programming langauge that can deal with files will do
10:47.45elnovatillodalias: Thanks bro, works perfect now, i reinstaled ATI drivers propietary
10:47.47rrkliable http://paste.debian.net/41785
10:48.04cicowols: yes, I am currently doing that using a C code. I was wondering if there is any tool like 'dd' which can do that.
10:48.08liablerrk: gimme 5, phone call
10:48.10Daemon--stew - i dont know anything bud honestly, im totaly lost
10:48.27the_sniffwhats iwconfig?
10:48.41wolsthe_sniff: ifconfig for wireless interfaces
10:48.47cicoI need to place my 45 byte boot-loader in /dev/sdb, for this dd is fine, but I am wondering how to place the magic bytes at location 510 and 511 in /dev/sdb?
10:48.52the_sniffoh
10:48.55wsxwsDaemon-- try df -akh
10:48.58stewDaemon--: you need to substitude whichever of sdb1, sdb2, sdb5 is your / partition for sda1 in that guide
10:49.09erikandI had this working yesterday: "abiword --to=pdf x.doc", but now it fails
10:49.11stewwsxws: df only lists mounted partitions
10:49.19wolsif dd can insert 45bytes only, then it can insert 2 bytes too
10:49.26erikand** (abiword:16883): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1280
10:49.29wsxwshis / isnt mounted ? okay, ill shut up ten
10:49.29wolscico: dd has the option "offset"
10:49.32Daemon--wsxws - invalid option -- a
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10:49.45erikandseems to be a cups problem
10:50.01wolserikand: it is
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10:50.14stewDaemon--: try "mount /dev/sdb2 /target" then "ls /target"  do you see, for instance a "vmlinuz" file?
10:50.16Daemon--stew - when installed it i put everything in one partition using the guided partitioner
10:50.17cicowols: but it accepts number of BLOCKs as the count, not an arbitrary number like 510
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10:50.25Daemon--ok
10:50.32stewDaemon--: wait
10:50.37Daemon--ok?
10:50.41wolscico: how are you writing only 45 bytes?
10:50.42stewDaemon--: try sdb5 not sdb2
10:50.44erikand<PROTECTED>
10:50.47Daemon--ok
10:51.02elnovatilloteh path for the sound is /dev/sound ?
10:51.02cicowols: because the length of the boot loader is 45 bytes.
10:51.28wsxwsstew is there a way to test the interfaces without rebooting ?
10:51.32wolscico: that's not what I asked
10:51.37Daemon--ok different error stew - mounting /dev/sdb5 on /target failed: invalid argument
10:51.42wolswsxws: /etc/init.d/networking restart
10:51.45cicowols: I am just doing, dd if=boot.bin of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 Now what if I want to write another two bytes, at location 510 and 511 of /dev/sdb
10:51.46wolsor ifup <interface>
10:51.55erikandwhat can I do to get forward?
10:51.57wolscico: use a smaller blocksize
10:51.59erikandreinstall something?
10:52.00stewwsxws: "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
10:52.11stewDaemon--: try sda1
10:52.12cicowols: can I use a blocksize 1?
10:52.17wolscico: yes
10:52.19cicoand skip the first 510 bytes
10:52.24cicowow! thanks. it never occurred to me.
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10:52.26erikandhow can I wajig reinstall abiword and all it's dependencies
10:52.30wsxwsyes. i surelay can say u r dump to me too. jesus sometimes im really stupid
10:52.36erikandor shouldn't I do that?
10:52.38Daemon--stew - do you mean sdb1 ?
10:52.48stewDaemon--: yes
10:52.51Daemon--ok
10:52.52wols!reinstall
10:52.52dpkgi heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install
10:53.12Daemon--stew - ok i think that worked, no output
10:53.15stewthat's not what he wants
10:53.24wsxwsSIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address  <<-- that doesnt sound good to me
10:53.26stewDaemon--: when you "ls /target" do you see a "vmlinuz" file?
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10:53.43DaemonikI see around the image previews nautilus displays there is an image border. Is this a file I can edit or is this hard-coded in the Nautilus binary?
10:53.43Daemon--stew - yes
10:53.45stewwsxws: show us your /etc/network/interfaces; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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10:54.11stewDaemon--: then "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" ; then proceed with that guide
10:54.37stewthat guide is kinda off on some stuff though
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10:55.01stewDaemon--: skip the installing of 2.6.18-1
10:55.11Daemon--stew - thank you very much, thats the furtherest ive got in 24hours
10:55.12elnovatillowhy i cant see my sata hardisk anymore in the /dev ?
10:55.19stewDaemon--: after you chroot, just run "mount -a" and skip the out mount stuff
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10:55.32stewDaemon--: whenever it says to use "apt-get" use "aptitude"
10:55.33Daemon--which part of the install guide should i carry on from?
10:56.22Daemon--stew - mount /sys /target/sys < is that the command i continue from?
10:56.27stewDaemon--: forget the install guide.  do this, "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; chroot /target"  that will open up a new shell
10:56.52wsxwsdd i do the pastinthingie right ?
10:56.56wsxwsdd = did
10:57.04Daemon--stew - ok done
10:57.22Daemon--now at "sh-3.1#"
10:57.35stewDaemon--: did you install amd64 or 1386?
10:57.42Daemon--i386
10:58.06stewDaemon--: inside that shell run "mount -a ; mount /proc ; mount /sys ; aptitude update ; aptitude install yaird initramfs-tools- linux-image-2.6.18-5-686"
10:58.08the_sniffwhats 1386
10:58.21stewthe_sniff: a typo for i386
10:58.24the_sniffoh
10:58.27the_snifflol:p
10:58.37Daemon--stew - is that 5 commands or 1 ?
10:58.57stewDaemon--: 5, but you can put them all on one line if you separate then with ;
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10:59.15Daemon--ok i'll type it exactly as you did
10:59.20stewDaemon--: note that there is a - at the end of "initramfs-tools-" and that is necessary
10:59.27elnovatillowhy i cant see my sata hardisk /dev/sda5 anymore in the /dev ?
10:59.31Daemon--ok
10:59.53Daemon--proc is already mounted stew
10:59.59stewDaemon--: fine
11:00.02wsxwsstew is there something special to happen after /msg dpkg ?
11:00.16tarzeauliable: i can't see anything about motd.yail ?
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11:00.20stewDaemon--: just for good measure, run "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" when that is all done, and you should see it say something about rebuilding the initrd with yaird
11:00.23Daemon--stew - cant find /sys in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
11:00.40tarzeauliable: you mean tail?
11:00.41stewwsxws: did you put your interfaces file into a pastebin?
11:00.44Daemon--stew gotta get that far first buddy
11:00.48liabletarzeau: yes
11:00.48tarzeauliable:         uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd
11:00.48tarzeau<PROTECTED>
11:00.54liabletail
11:00.58wsxwsyes
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11:01.01tarzeauliable: i want it without uname -snrvm without chaning the initscript
11:01.02stewwsxws: what is the url?
11:01.07wsxwshttp://pastebin.ca/765795
11:01.17elnovatillowhats the name of a sound device in /dev ?
11:01.29Daemon--stew - cant find /sys in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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11:03.37stewwsxws: you can take that "up route add..." line, that is done automatically by the netmask and gateway lines above
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11:04.17XoXhey
11:04.25stewwsxws: i'm not sure if that is causing your problem or not. but I dont' think so. can you also shoe the output of "ifconfig -a"
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11:04.37XoXis there a file that shows with what falgs a debian package was compiled ?
11:04.45XoXor maybe in the package itself it says
11:05.13stewDaemon--: "mount -t sysfs none /sys" instead
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11:05.51Daemon--ok that worked stew
11:05.56stewXoX: debian/rules in the source package.  you can get the source package by running "apt-get source packagename" which will extract it into a subdirectory of the current directory
11:06.16XoXis there another way besides getting the source
11:06.21stewXoX: no
11:06.32wsxwsstew http://pastebin.ca/765801
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11:06.37rrkliable you back ?
11:06.45liablerrk: iwconfig eth1 mode managed
11:06.56XoXwhy is asterisk-mysql only in sid
11:06.58XoX!
11:07.12liablerrk: yeah sorry, you have the right ssid now, but your card has gone into ad-hoc mode!
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11:07.21liablerrk: did you do that?
11:07.25rrkyes
11:07.28stewXoX: /msg dpkg why is asterisk-mysql not in testing
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11:07.50Daemon--stew ok so far so good its installing yaird and that linux image :D
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11:07.53stewwsxws: that all looks fine.  i'd try removing the extra "up route add..." line and see if it does any better.  you can also remove the "broadcast" line, it is no necessary
11:08.04stewDaemon--: and hopefully removing initramfs-tools
11:08.06Nylestew: well good morning
11:08.12stewyeah, i need to go to bed
11:08.18elnovatilloanyone knows how to display video movies in the KDE taskbar?
11:08.18Nylestew haha
11:08.20rrkliable you want me to change it back
11:08.26NyleI was going to say this is a good time to be up
11:08.29Daemon--stew - yeah it said it had to remove something, actually its done already.... what now ?
11:08.30liablerrk: it needs to be in managed mode
11:08.31Nyleheh
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11:08.36rrkok
11:08.49liablerrk: with that caps essid
11:08.51NyleI just did a 15 hour onsite for some computer co.
11:09.00stewDaemon--: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" which should say something about using yaird to rebuild the initrd
11:09.06Nylesince 3pm yesterday and i just now got home
11:09.08Daemon--ok buddy
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11:09.27Nyleyaird?
11:09.29stewDaemon--: (which the last command should have also said, but we are running it again for added extra redundant redundancy"
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11:09.34stewNyle: don't ask
11:09.37Nylewhy not mkinitramfs
11:09.38Nyleok
11:09.41NyleI won't
11:09.47Daemon--ok stew :)
11:11.13Daemon--stew - i got this.... Package `linux-image-2.6.18-5-686` is not installed and no ifo is available
11:11.19XoXstew, so i guess backporting asterisk-mysql to etch wouldnt be possible
11:11.37stewXoX: it is
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11:12.03Nyleit will be hard, because I don't know the depends of that package, but sometimes you need to backport the dependencies as well
11:12.08wsxwsi commented out the pre-up, the add.. and the broadcastlines, but i still get that error 4 times
11:12.14tarik_hi
11:12.20stewi've done it, it wasn't particularly harder than anything else
11:12.38Nyles/will/can
11:12.39Nyle:)
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11:13.02Daemon--stew - should i try installing it by itself?
11:13.11stewDaemon--: installing what?
11:13.15Daemon--stew - i got this.... Package `linux-image-2.6.18-5-686` is not installed and no ifo is available
11:13.16wsxwsoops, gotta pick up my daughter
11:13.16stewoh
11:13.20rrkliable pastebin is down
11:13.21XoXstew, what was hard? backporting asterisk-mysql ?
11:13.22wsxwsl8ters
11:13.22rrkMode:Managed  Frequency=2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:14:6C:25:2E:C4
11:13.27Nyle!paster
11:13.27dpkgpaster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
11:13.35stewDaemon--: i had told you to install that previously
11:13.36Schalkenwho put "GIMP has grown completely un-intutive to work with. The most simple task requires cumbersome manual reading." in the gimp dpkg factoid?
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11:13.42RamattackHi
11:13.44XoXstew, you backport the packages with dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us right?
11:13.46liablerrk: theres a heap of them, pastebin.ca as i mentioned before
11:13.49Nyle!factinfo gimp
11:13.50dpkggimp -- last modified at Thu Nov 10 10:36:53 2005 by ircdevil!n=maasha@130.226.106.174; it has been requested 25 times, last by Schalken, 1m 20s ago.
11:13.52Daemon--stew - and i did the command exactly as you told me
11:13.55Ramattackis it possible to apply an umask permanently for one directory?
11:13.57rrkok
11:13.58Nyle!gimp
11:13.59dpkgThe GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. http://gimp.org/  GIMP has grown completely un-intutive to work with. The most simple task requires cumbersome manual reading.
11:14.00stewDaemon--: "aptitude install yaird initramfs-tools- linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" is what I said
11:14.01Daemon--stew - just hasnt installed for some reason
11:14.04Nylewell thats not nice
11:14.10Daemon--stew - and thats what i ddi
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11:14.14Daemon--did*
11:14.17Nylethe ui kinda sucks but all in all for free software, its pretty badass
11:14.18petemc!factinfo gimp
11:14.18dpkggimp -- last modified at Thu Nov 10 10:36:53 2005 by ircdevil!n=maasha@130.226.106.174; it has been requested 27 times, last by Nyle, 20s ago.
11:14.23stewRamattack: no
11:14.31Daemon--stew - should i try it again by itself?
11:14.36Nylehey petemc ma main man
11:14.45petemcword up
11:14.50stewDaemon--: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:"?
11:15.00Daemon--stew - its my fault i messed up
11:15.03Nylemust... smoke... cig.
11:15.04simonrvnNyle: it's also not true. hi
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11:15.12Daemon--stew - i missed the -image [art of the file name
11:15.14Daemon--sorry
11:15.16stewDaemon--: it's certainly not my fault tha tyou messed up
11:15.31Daemon--sowwie :(
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11:15.32stew:P
11:15.43Daemon--should i install it by itself now or run the whole command again?
11:15.58SchalkenNyle: it sounds like a photoshopper talking :S gimp is simple but lacks features, imho, but thats completely subjective. can i removed it?
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11:16.10stewDaemon--: just install the one package, when you do you should see it say something about using yaird for building the initrd
11:16.31stewDaemon--: if you do, then exit this shell and reboot, and enjoy
11:16.46Ramattackstew, sure there is no way? I have sometime heard it's possible doing any way... don't remember...
11:16.52NyleSchalken: by all means
11:16.59SchalkenNyle: how so?
11:17.01NyleSchalken: /msg dpkg no blah is blah
11:17.11SchalkenNyle: blah being?
11:17.15stewRamattack: possibly using ACLs.  there is no way using plain ol' ext3 or whatever to force a umask per directory
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11:17.20Nyle!gimp
11:17.20dpkgThe GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. http://gimp.org/
11:17.25Daemon--stew - i dont get this, i didnt installed anything but removed 2 things and still saying it's not installed
11:17.37stewDaemon--: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-5-686" say for "Installed:" and "Candidate:"?
11:17.43rrkliable it is on flood
11:18.00Ramattackbut if there is a partition you could mount it with one umask... that should be possible? i think yes am I wrong?
11:18.01SchalkenNyle: hey cool, its just like a wiki :D
11:18.13NyleSchalken: what is wrong with the gimp factoid?
11:18.16stewRamattack: what filesystem type is on that partition?
11:18.21Ramattackext3
11:18.35stewRamattack: then i don't belive you can specify a umask
11:18.39Daemon--stew - unable to locate pagckage linux-image-2.6.18-5-686
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11:18.44Ramattackin wich filesystem you could
11:18.45Ramattack?
11:18.52NyleSchalken: I believe someone took out the offending bits already? I wasn't paying attention
11:18.59petemc!factinfo gimp
11:18.59dpkggimp -- last modified 1m 20s ago  by Schalken!n=jesse@C-59-101-139-148.mel.connect.net.au.
11:19.08stewRamattack: ones that don't support unix permissions natively, like vfat
11:19.15SchalkenNyle: nothing, now. i just didnt think it was necessary to put down pieces of software in a place many free software newbies go for quick info.
11:19.16petemci took out the superflous bits
11:19.16Nyleor ntfs?
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11:19.26stewDaemon--: did you run "aptitude update"
11:19.28Nyleacl != unix perms ? is it?
11:19.29RamattackI see...
11:19.31petemc+u
11:19.33Nylentfs acl i mean
11:19.34Ramattackyep
11:19.38RamattackNyle of course
11:19.39Daemon--stew - yes but i'll try again
11:19.41SchalkenNyle: but can i put in words of praise? :D
11:19.51stewDaemon--: does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain a line, "deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main"
11:20.04stewerr wtf i'm using ftp?
11:20.07NyleSchalken: feel free, remember this a public resource, just respect that fact.  You are more than welcome to contribute
11:20.08petemcSchalken: thats not really required either, the factoids should be just that - facts
11:20.11stewDaemon--: use http:// not ftp://
11:20.47Schalkenokay, ill leave it as what it is now then.
11:20.52Daemon--stew i gave 4 lines and their using lenny
11:20.58Daemon--have*
11:21.14stewDaemon--: oh.  why are you running testing?
11:21.26Nyle!tell Schalken -about dpkgbot
11:21.27Schalkennow i remember why i was looking up the gimp factoid in the first place, does anyone know where to get a deb of gimp 2.4?
11:21.44liablerrk: ok, thats better, but you still got no signal strength. try setting essid again a few times with iwconfig, check to see if you get a signal strength, run iwspy in another term
11:21.53Daemon--stew - its the only version i can get to install, all the others hang and wont complete the inatallation
11:21.54NyleI should actually update the page, include some more info about how to edit/add/ factoids etc.
11:22.08stewDaemon--: is this going to be a public facing server?
11:22.16Daemon--stew - yes
11:22.18rrkliable what does this mean
11:22.20rrkRTNETLINK answers: File exists
11:22.22rrkrun-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoipd exited with return code 2
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11:22.30Ramattackit's possible in adfs affs
11:22.34Ramattackumask..
11:22.34stewDaemon--: then testing is not appropriate
11:22.48liablerrk: dont play with ifup yet
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11:22.50NyleDebian/stable is a solid product
11:22.55Daemon--stew - but i cant get any other version to install
11:22.58liablerrk: or network restarting
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11:23.04rrkok
11:23.04NyleDaemon--: why not?
11:23.09liablerrk: just use ifconfig and iwconfig
11:23.09stewDaemon--: the kmuto.jp instlalers didn't work?
11:23.25SchalkenNyle: yeah, the debian wiki is looking a bit barren these days. i always read articles where they mention sarge and woody.
11:23.35Nylestew: I myself have had very little luck using kenshi's images
11:23.36rrkbeen taking down and up otherwise iwconfig says it is busy
11:23.41Daemon--stew - ive tried that etch-custom-1013.iso
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11:24.04Daemon--doesnt even get past the initial loading part when you press enter to install it
11:24.06liablerrk: doing which command?
11:24.13Daemon--just sits there
11:24.19rrkifdown ifup
11:24.26rrkifdown eth1
11:24.48stewDaemon--: well what does "dpkg -l linux-image\*" return?  stuff about 2.6.22-2-686 or so?  whatever it is, you want to run "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-2-686" or whatever version it returns
11:24.49simonrvner?
11:24.50Daemon--ok stew - i didnt install any packages with this install, anyway we can downgrade it from testing then?
11:25.03liablerrk: dont use that, by using ifup/down you are changing everything set with ifconfig/iwconfig
11:25.06stewDaemon--: you can downgrade.  it is a very tedious process
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11:25.16Nylehey looky who else is up; simonrvn
11:25.18Daemon--stew - what do you recommend?
11:25.23rrkok
11:25.33simonrvnNyle: yeh, bad sleep. going back soon :/
11:25.45stewDaemon--: finding a stable installer that works
11:25.46Nylesimonrvn: I just got home after 15 hours of work and 1 hour drive time
11:25.57simonrvnNyle: motherfucker, ouch
11:26.01Nylei know man
11:26.09Daemon--stew - id love to but ive got a mountain of versions ive tried here
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11:26.14Nyletrying to recompile my wifi drivers on etch right now
11:26.15debian-is-meWhy work that much?
11:26.17Nyleits being  apain
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11:26.27Nyledebian-is-me: bills, rent, food, gas, insurance
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11:26.48debian-is-meI work for 6 houres a day and a 10 min walk home.
11:27.01Daemon--stew - it returned 4 versions?
11:27.05Nyledpkg broadcom sucks
11:27.11Nylebah
11:27.12Daemon--first 2 no description available
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11:27.29debian-is-meAnd I can aford food rent , and what would I need insurance for? Healthcare in norway are free!
11:27.31rrkok liable what next
11:27.36liableNyle: they have new drivers with the mac80211 subsystem, you should try em
11:27.41Daemon--then linux 2.6.22+10 and 2.6.22-4 stew
11:27.48liablerrk: signal strength yet?
11:27.48Nyleoh shit really liable?
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11:27.55rrkno
11:27.57liableNyle: ya
11:28.06simmerz|workcan you set it so that low priority debconf questions come up on a package install, but only temporarily? by exporting some variable for instance?
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11:28.21Nylenice, I wonder if my custom kernel has that enabled I can't remember now I stripped it too much
11:28.30simmerz|worklike -p low works for dpkg-reconfigure
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11:28.41NyleI just recently put in a cheapo $5.99 broadcom card in my laptop
11:28.45liablerrk: well, untill you see that, you aint associated and wont get anywhere
11:28.47rrkliable you want me to reboot it
11:28.55liablerrk: nope
11:29.00rrkok
11:29.01stewDaemon--: you really don't want to be running testing on an internet facing server.  testing changes daily.  testing breaks in various ways daily.  testing deoesn't get the same security support that stable does
11:29.06Nyleliable: stock debian etch kernel should have that enabled yeah
11:29.07Nyle?
11:29.21rrkthe box is 20 feet from the router
11:29.30liableNyle: if you have the 22 kernel, you should be able to compile them, or you can try the wireless-dev kernel
11:29.32Nyleliable: basically I was trying to apply the packet injection patch on the driver
11:29.38Daemon--stew - then im back to square one, not knowing which way to turn and not having an installer that works
11:29.42NyleI got .18-5
11:29.53Daemon--stew - can you help me find one?
11:29.55NyleI do recall bpo containing a 22 kernel
11:29.58liableNyle: oh, the etch kernel wont work, unless they have mac80211 patches
11:30.15stewDaemon--: kmuto.jp
11:30.17NyleI think bpo _does_ have 22 backported
11:30.26liablethe intel ones *might* work, but its a gamble
11:30.26simmerz|workcan you set it so that low priority debconf questions come up on a package install, but only temporarily? by exporting some variable for instance? in the same way as -plow works for dpkg-reconfigure
11:30.38stewDaemon--: if the etch installers don't work, try a sarge installer and upgrade to etch
11:30.39simonrvnman debconf ;)
11:30.47Daemon--stew - http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ <<< ive tried the top one there and it wont even load the setup
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11:31.09liablerrk: if you run iwspy in another term, you might be able to get some info as to why its not associating
11:31.09Daemon--stew - tried that as well and doesnt find the eth controller
11:31.16stewDaemon--: then try the second from the top there
11:31.23stewDaemon--: and if that doesn't work try the third from the top
11:31.39NyleDaemon--: may I ask which one (nic) it is? I am only curious, I won't jump, I'll let stew handle it
11:31.40stewDaemon--: if that doesn't work try a sarge installer.  if that doesn't work try debootstrapping an install from a livecd
11:32.08stewits going to be a bnx2
11:32.09dc2447Anyone point me in the right direction for fixing this package mess? http://pastebin.com/m7f830ff9
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11:32.16Daemon--stew - the third one from the top is amd64 ???
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11:32.23Daemon--Nyle - im not sure
11:32.46Daemon--its a dell poweredge server
11:32.48stewDaemon--: i don't know. i'm not looking, i'm just saying that testing is not reasonable os to install for an internet facing server
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11:33.00stew09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 11)
11:33.08stewis at least what mine has
11:33.09Daemon--that sounds right stew
11:33.17NyleDaemon--: if you can find an ubuntu gutsy live cd, see if that detects it, and even if not, lspci should tell you a little.  if not (if its a desktop) search for your mobo specs, if its not onaboard, open it up and look at the card itself
11:33.22Nyleoh
11:33.23Nylebroadcom
11:33.36stewDaemon--: if it doesn't detect the network card, hit alt-f2 and run "modprobe bnx2" and then hit alt-f1 and proceed with the install
11:33.39Daemon--Nyle - i cant use ubuntu cos it has to be debian
11:33.39Nylehahaha /me points and laughs (at everyone who has it including Nyle)
11:33.42Nylegood luck buddy
11:33.45Nylebroadcom is a pos
11:33.59Daemon--ta
11:34.00NyleDaemon--: just to find out but i guess you know its broadcom
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11:34.14Daemon--i dont know anything
11:34.15Daemon--lol
11:34.21Nylemeaning using a ubuntu latest live cd to see what it says about the card
11:34.25Nylefrom lspci
11:34.54stewthere is no reason to boot ubuntu, since he is running debian right now
11:35.03Nylekmuto.jp also has a hcl
11:35.12dc2447The following packages have unmet dependencies.
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11:35.14stewDaemon--: what does "lsmod | grep bnx" say?
11:35.15Nyleyou can just put in the output of lspci something and it will tel lyou which driver you need
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11:35.34Daemon--stew -ve rebooted now cos you told me to try another version :(
11:35.34Nyleyeh, i did it again
11:35.35simonrvndc2447: use aptitude
11:35.46NyleI am not jumping in! stew is the man, bug him ;)
11:35.50dc2447simonrvn: I'm using apt
11:36.01Daemon--brb i need the toilet
11:36.02stewstew is going to bed.  good luck
11:36.04Nyledc2447: use aptitude as it has better dependency resolution
11:36.06simonrvnyes, i know
11:36.07Nyleg'night
11:36.10Nyleor mornin
11:36.17simonrvnstew: g'night
11:36.22simonrvner yeh =)
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11:36.39dc2447thanks
11:36.47Nyle!why aptitude
11:36.47dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
11:37.04Nyledc2447: ^^
11:37.28rrkliable iwlist show the router with good signal  91/100
11:37.37Nyleim going to bed also
11:37.41Nyle*out*
11:37.59liablerrk: yep, thats not the issue, its not actually associating
11:38.01rrkso the card is rvc
11:38.28rrkyes the associating
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11:39.16rrkboth laptops are doing the same thing
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11:41.30rrkliable how about channel selection
11:42.12Ramattackthanks a lot stew :)
11:42.16Ramattackbye mate!!!
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11:42.27cicoI need to write two bytes in a file, if I know the bytes in octal, I can do it using echo: echo -ne "\003\005" > file.txt, but how to do it if I know the file in hex. Is there any other command?
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11:43.27rrkliable no on the channel also
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11:45.22simonrvndc2447: s'ok. you know now
11:46.43dc2447simonrvn: you won't believe how I got in this situation ... it invloved someones setup script overwritting the sources.list for etc with sarge
11:46.57simonrvnO_O
11:47.26liablerrk: your channel looks correct
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11:48.37rrki tried 1 and 11 as they where in the iwlist scan
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11:52.36mrakcan any1 tell me url for backports of sarge
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11:54.44petemcmrak: backports.org
11:55.00petemcassuming by of you mean for
11:56.49mrakyeap
11:56.51mrakthx
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11:57.55picard_pwns_kirkNautilus looks repulsive. Is there any way I can get it to look like a real file manager?
11:58.27petemchow does a real file manager look?
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11:58.48picard_pwns_kirklike Konqueror
11:58.57picard_pwns_kirksort of
11:59.00azeemwhy don't you use KDE then?
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11:59.09picard_pwns_kirk'cause I don't like it
11:59.14azeemkonqueror is a web browser as well, should nautilus also browse the net?
11:59.20picard_pwns_kirkthere was a way to do it, I think
11:59.39azeempicard_pwns_kirk: to let nautilus browse the web?
12:00.15picard_pwns_kirkwell, what I really want is for nautilus to open folders in the same window, and have the little sidebar with the home folder, computer, etc.
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12:00.21azeem!disable spatial nautilus
12:00.21dpkgwell, disable spatial nautilus is "gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser true" then log out and log in again.
12:00.30azeempicard_pwns_kirk: ^^
12:00.33picard_pwns_kirkthanks
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12:02.02rrkliable Link Quality=100/100  Signal level=3/3  Noise level=184/100
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12:03.43onvsopis there any reason why when upgrading from the stable kernel to the testing one, /dev/hda becomes /dev/sda
12:04.01azeemthe kernel changed
12:04.19onvsopsoguess ill just eddit my fstab then :D
12:05.04neoticthis is troubling me alot, i've created a real simple script called "test", it contains one line to mount a nfs and #!/bin/bash of course, i've added it using update-rc.d test defaults, however, it doesnt work during boot. but if issue /etc/rc2.d/S20test it mounts and works.
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12:05.49dc2447neotic: make the nfs mount in fstab  - it is what it is designed to do
12:06.01dc2447onvsop: use labels
12:06.06dc2447not devices
12:06.07onvsopid's?
12:06.08simonrvnneotic: you need a start command; look at the skeleton script in /etc/init.d
12:06.09neoticdc2447: i did, it doesn't work
12:06.20azeemneotic: maybe at S20, networking isn't there yet?
12:06.22neoticdc2447: but mount -a works..
12:06.36dc2447neotic: portmap or summat isn't getting started on boot...
12:06.40simonrvnneotic: but yeh be better in fstab
12:07.03neoticyes it is, /etc/rcS.d/S40networking and S43portmap
12:07.10neoticbut S20 test is in rc2.d/
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12:08.11azeemneotic: there you go
12:08.25azeemneotic: move test to beyond 43 then
12:08.31neotichm, ok
12:09.11onvsopdc2447 do you mean the hardware id's or yu mean create labels
12:09.37infernixkernel: Eeek! page_mapcount(page) went negative! (-1)
12:09.39neoticazeem: doesnt work =) i could see it issuing the mount -t nfs command during boot in top, but it didn't mount
12:09.47infernixdoes anyone happen to know the meaning of this? faulty ram?
12:10.30infernixthere's like only 5 hits on google
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12:11.46nescaelo all :)
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12:12.26nescai have one question: how can i mkdir home user in pam.d if that dir dosnt exist?
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12:13.47erpoIt's possible to set my new SATA disk so that it immediately re-reads a written sector to verify that it wrote correctly. This trashes write performance. Is there a command I can use to disable this feature on my new drive?
12:14.01erpoIt's a seagate, btw.
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12:15.07FalscherHasehi. how can I recompile a debian package with debug information?
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12:15.35nescaneotic: but i want mkdir home directory when user will login to system
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12:16.09Schalkenuhm, i have an instance of aptitude locking the package management system and using 60% of the CPU, but i dont know where it is. its not in any terminal window and its not in any of TTYs. What should I do?
12:16.22nescawhen that dir dosnt exist
12:16.23erpoFalscherHase: I found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 to be of great help in recompiling debian packages from source. I don't know how to set the debug flag during compilation, but it's surely only a slight modification of that procedure.
12:16.29Schalkenshould i just kill it?
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12:21.42Schalkeni sent it SIGTERM and it closed itself. the package databse seems to be fine. phew.
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12:24.23FalscherHaseerpo: thanks for the good link
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12:28.31onvsopis it safe to dist-upgrade to testing?
12:28.40onvsopand whats the best way to clean unused packages
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12:29.03Dewionvsop: no, because it's still being tested
12:29.25azeemit's relatively safe
12:29.27Dewionvsop: but there is no reason to believe it will break
12:29.32azeemonvsop: do you have a 2.6 kernel running?
12:29.38onvsopyeah :)
12:29.57FalscherHaseerpo: ah,  export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt CFLAGS=-g"   then build as usual
12:30.14onvsopjust comment ot the security fixes mirrors yeah
12:30.24azeemCFLAGS have no business in DEb_BUILD_OPTINOS
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12:30.58azeemFalscherHase: Debian packages should get built with -g by default
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12:31.14erpoFalscherHase: Thanks. I'll remember that. :)
12:31.18azeemFalscherHase: rather do DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt nostrip" if you want to get unstripped debug packages
12:31.34FalscherHaseazeem: thank you! good to know
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12:34.42Slap_Stickis anyone aware of any software which can record streaming audio, i.e. record from a .ram file streaming real player audio?
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12:35.29FalscherHaseSlap_Stick: mplayer -dumpstream  is useful for a lot of streams
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12:35.39dc2447I have two identical servers - two identical sources.list - one finds a package - one doesn't - what craziness could that be - I have aptitude update on both
12:36.01azeemdc2447: run apt-cache policy on the package
12:36.13Slap_StickFalscherHase, thanks
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12:37.11dc2447azeem: installed [none] candidate [none]
12:37.20azeemand on the other?
12:37.41dc2447azeem: shows installed Installed: 4.1.11a-4sarge7
12:37.55dc2447ah
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12:37.59azeemdc2447: so you probably installed it before you upgraded to etch, and it's no longer available
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12:38.31dc2447azeem:I didn't think that packages would show up in apt-cache searches if not in repos
12:38.57azeemdc2447: they do
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12:39.27dc2447azeem: what should I be using instead of libmysqlclient14-dev on etch?
12:39.40azeemdon't ask me
12:39.44azeemask the channel
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12:40.18mike1ohow do I know what process is using is what device?
12:40.27dc2447mike1o: lsof
12:40.37wolsdc2447: etch only has mysql 5
12:40.48dc2447wols: - thanks
12:42.28Daemon--stew - are you there? i think ive got somewhere with this but need a quick word
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12:43.01wsxwshm, when i look at the links in the rc?.d pathes i start to wonder that some of them start with k and others with s, why is that ?
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12:45.21dc2447wsxws: k = kill s=start
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12:47.53Bokehif xserver-xorg/autodetect_video_card is set to true in debconf, does that mean you cannot set xserver-xorg/config/device/driver anymore? for some reason dpkg keeps setting my video driver as vesa even though xserver-xorg/config/device/driver has been set to nvidia
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12:51.51wsxwsoops, soory, back
12:52.01wsxwsthats was easy, thank u dc2447
12:52.32wsxwshow check what runlevel a server is running at actually ?
12:52.56KaMa$ runlevel
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12:53.15KaMasorry... #runlevel
12:53.31KaMaor $ who -r
12:53.32haroldWhy is there a separate entry is sources.list for security.debian.org? Why don't they just apply security fixes to the regular apt sources?
12:53.58haroldin*
12:54.34onvsophey all
12:54.48onvsopcan you tune2fs -L a mounted partition?
12:55.50KaMaonvsop: don't use tune2fs with mounted partition
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13:00.07onvsopcheers, is there ay other way to labela mounted partition of should i use aboot cd
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13:06.44onvsopwhen i try and label my partition i get Bad magicnimber in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda1, Couldn't find valid filesystem
13:06.53onvsopis this becasue the partition is mounted
13:07.09onvsopthis is with e2label & tune2fs
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13:17.41deadlyninjai have an unstable system but it passes all memtest86 tests, it seems to break while both cores are active, anyone have any idea how i can determine if its a hardware problem or not?
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13:20.28antiNeo_I'm trying to install debian on my eeepc... problem is, it's using some new atheros /ethernet/ controller and the debian installer doesn't have the driver. I'm thinking about doing a chroot install from my flash drive, but where am I going to find the driver?
13:20.49bahadunnany news on ftp-master?
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13:21.01azeemno
13:22.05debian-sandeadlyninja, I would try a Live CD distro (like knoppix) for example to test it first.  I would also check the log files.
13:23.16deadlyninjadebian-san, yeah thats a good idea
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13:26.14hardkodehello
13:26.31hardkodewhat is the command to remove the configurations of a package?
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13:27.23onvsopwhats the best command to upgrade all packages? aptitude upgrade *?
13:27.37onvsopwhen i try and label my partition i get Bad magicnimber in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda1, Couldn't find valid filesystem, is this becasue the partition is mounted
13:27.50syntaxxis there someone here who can advise which are the best network intrusion detection system software in unix/linux?
13:28.13nkuttlerhardkode: purge it
13:28.55Azar_onvsop: update/upgrade is only applying security patches
13:29.12onvsopohhh
13:29.17Azar_wtf @ my nick?
13:29.18onvsophmmm
13:29.30onvsophow do ouupgrade packages then?
13:30.02onvsopi just moved from gentoo and confused ;D
13:30.06etonvsop: packages stay the same version in stable (etch at the moment)
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13:30.20onvsopi have my mirrors set to testing
13:30.46vsayikirani want to install .deb pacakge file in terminal, what set of commands is needed
13:30.57onvsopbecause i need some newer packages and there are no backports
13:31.00Azaronvsop: even so, you get to stay with packages assigned by your version
13:31.18Azartry a sid backport
13:31.29vsayikiranplease anyone help me how to install .deb packages in xterm
13:31.31KaMavsayikiran: man dpkg
13:31.54FalscherHaseonvsop: packages are regularly update to newer versions in testing
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13:32.08FalscherHaseonvsop: try  apt-get upgrade  or  apt-get dist-upgrade
13:32.31FalscherHaseonvsop: there should be an equivalent command with aptitude, too
13:32.34hardkodelinux sucks donkey dick
13:32.38hardkodewhy is it always screwd?
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13:33.09Noboruhi guys
13:33.09onvsopwhat is the difference between "apt-get upgrade *" & apt-get dist-upgrade
13:33.37Noborudoe anyone know what is this type of IP ? it looks like ::ffff:221.194.13 IPV6 ?
13:33.48Noborui mean, IPV6' ip ?
13:34.03FalscherHaseonvsop: upgrade only does things that are "not dangerous"
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13:34.15onvsopahh nice :D
13:34.15Azardist-upgrade is done when you want to go up one version (if you point apt to next version in sources.list)
13:34.27FalscherHaseonvsop: with dist-upgrade packages can be uninstalled or extra packages installed
13:34.37onvsopi have source.list pointed to testign
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13:34.49onvsopso is it probably safer to just use upgrade
13:35.06ettesting does not like upgrade/dist-upgrade
13:35.10FalscherHaseonvsop: it may be necessary if a newer package version needs a new library, etc
13:35.14etit's safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
13:35.16Noboruhmmm
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13:35.24Azarusing aptitude instead of apt-get can resolve dependencies better, cleans broken packages too
13:35.37onvsophmmm, very confusing - hehe
13:35.41onvsopthanks guys :)
13:35.44Noborudoes anyone know why the result looks like ::ffff:221.194.13:48587 ESTABLISHED when i do netstat -an -t tcp | grep ":80" | grep ESTABLISHED | awk '{printf "%s %s\n",$5,$6}' | sort ?
13:35.50onvsopmuch appreciated
13:36.18Noboruthe result should be with the IP numbers looks like 222.221.222.333:3343 this type.
13:36.29Noboruwhat does that ::ffff: mean ?
13:36.51Noboruhmmm
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13:38.16vsayikiranwhat does this mean "The following packages have unmet dependencies:"
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13:38.45Azarvsayikiran: using apt-get or aptitude?
13:38.59vsayikiranAzar: apt-get
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13:39.16onvsopAzar: when i try and label my partition i get Bad magicnimber in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda1, Couldn't find valid filesystem, is this becasue the partition is mounted
13:39.17Azarvsayikiran: try again using aptitude, it might fix
13:39.33onvsopthis is with e2label & tune2fs
13:40.09bizis there a way to change the gtk theme "on - the - fly" for just some apps? eg. global theme is whatever, now i export some settings in one shell and all gtk apps started out of this shell use the specified theme?
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13:40.20Azaronvsop: hmm sorry me not good with partition issues
13:40.29SpeedyGHi, whats a good gui unzip/unrar program ?
13:40.32onvsopthats ok - thank anyway :D
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13:42.35Azarshort overview of "why aptitude" http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462
13:43.00Azaronvsop: that for you too :)
13:43.08andrewtaylor_hi, anyone know if there's a problem with backup2l under Etch? I'm getting /etc/backup2l.conf: line 264: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' and some other messages resulting in ERROR: The configuration file '/etc/backup2l.conf' is missing or incomplete.
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13:43.58onvsopcheers :)
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13:49.16andrewtaylor_does anyone have a working copy of backup2l on etch, could pastebin the /etc/backup2l.conf file so I can compare?
13:49.21importi need to apt-get ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils but i dont want to install them i just want to download them in a .deb format. I know it has to do with aptitude but i dont know exactly what to write out.please
13:49.41importhelp
13:49.43import:)
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13:50.41Azarimport: less /usr/share/doc/aptitude read the README file
13:50.45tarzeauwhen i try to embolden a font i get this result, someone rly good with fontforge? http://krum.ethz.ch/embolden.png
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13:53.50FastPuttyhi guys, what is the smnp to get the cpu temperature?
13:53.55FastPuttydo anyone got an idea
13:54.49Phoixanyone here running or ever run debian on a zaurus sl-c3x00?  just interested because im in the process of installing debain on my zaurus sl-c3200 ... am just restoring it to its factory default OS and am then going to install debain into the 6gb compact flash hdd and then have it dual boot between the two differant os's
13:54.50bahadunntarzeau: why you embolden the font man?
13:54.55bahadunntarzeau: leave the font alone
13:55.09onvsopdoes anyone know of any good guies for building debian kernels
13:55.14onvsopguides
13:55.20zaharazodPhoix:  i run it on a c1000...
13:55.50Phoixcool, does it run smoothly? i have never had debain running on my zaurus before
13:56.10zaharazodPhoix:  i don't have X working at the moment, so yes.
13:56.18Phoixi see
13:56.21Phoixcool
13:56.25tarzeaubahadunn: i need the font in bold?
13:56.29zaharazodX has been tricky since the last few x.org-related transitions
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13:56.37bahadunnonvsop: there ought to be tons if you google for it
13:56.43bahadunntarzeau: just messin with you
13:56.53tarzeaubahadunn: go learn fontforge instead
13:57.01bahadunntarzeau: no time
13:57.05zaharazodxfree86 had something called "tinyx" that worked well
13:57.06onvsopeyeah ivehad a google :)
13:57.20onvsopjust watign to know if there was an exceptional guide - hehe
13:57.28bahadunntarzeau: I will learn it for $100 US an hour
13:57.33zaharazodfrom what i've read though, some of the more "traditional" handheld distros are moving to x.org
13:57.33Azaronvsop: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch
13:57.40zaharazodso it should be possible
13:57.40onvsopcheers :D
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13:57.57Phoixcool
13:58.06zaharazodPhoix:  whats the cpu in the 3200?
13:58.12Phoixi'll tell you if i get it working..
13:59.00Azaronvsop: personally I allways use "aptitude" when upgrading kernel or Debian version... some prefer apt-get, your choice
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13:59.26zaharazodPhoix:  gl.. let me know if you have any trouble with keymaps or anything, i seem to remember having to do that by hand
13:59.49Phoixumm its, i'm just looking for the manual.. i've forgotten i think its something along the lines of PXA Xscale 416Mhz
13:59.52zaharazodalso, use apt-get and not aptitude, or you'll run out of memory real fast
13:59.56onvsopii may need to compile my own kernel son thats all :D
13:59.58onvsopsoon
14:00.13Phoixok
14:00.16Phoix:)
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14:00.25Phoixfound manual..
14:00.50zaharazodand disable apt diff downloading
14:01.05Phoixits : Intel Xscale PXA 270, 416Mhz
14:01.16Phoixok
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14:01.32Phoix128MB Flash
14:01.36bahadunnanyone have a chumby yet?
14:01.41Phoix64MB SDRAM
14:01.54zaharazodcool.. basically the same as the c1k, with a disk
14:02.19zaharazod(i'm using a 2gb sd card as /)
14:02.21bahadunnguess not
14:02.31DustyBincould anyone recommend a gigabit NIC what works well with linux?
14:02.48Phoixit has an SD card slot but i dont use it (at the moment)
14:02.51importThe read me doesnt exist azar
14:03.05import<PROTECTED>
14:03.11Azarimport: do you have it installed? try apt-get install aptitude
14:03.16importk
14:03.45creufophow to reconfigure the time format (UTC or GMT) ?
14:03.49zaharazodPhoix:  your root will be on the CF, right?
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14:03.57importbecause im having alot of problems right now
14:04.00xozcreufop: /etc/defaults/
14:04.07importndiswrapper-utils-1.9: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is to be installed
14:04.17xozcreufop: rcS i  think is the filename
14:04.23Phoixyeah on the internal CF .. that acts as a hard drive (6gb)
14:04.24importE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
14:04.32Phoixthen i have an extra CF card slot
14:04.36Azarimport: well no wonder, I am thinking you are using Debian and you are using *buntu stuff... does not apply HERE
14:04.41xozimport: ubuntu?
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14:04.59zaharazodhehe
14:05.00jellyimport: this is not #ubuntu
14:05.00Azarimport: Debian is NOT ubuntu and viceversa
14:05.03importyeah but its based on deb so if i can use aptitude it will work
14:05.12zaharazodi remember spending quite a while trying to get root-on-flash to work
14:05.12Azarimport: not same packages, man
14:05.13creufopthanks xoz
14:05.16importaptitude has the same command line and works the same
14:05.19FastPuttyhi guys, what is the smnp to get the cpu temperature? with snmpget i think it possible someone got an idea?
14:05.22zaharazodits not worth the effort
14:05.28xozimport: #ubuntu is very helpful. go there
14:05.30Azarimport: there are NOT same packages
14:05.38importim ban from #ubuntu
14:05.40Phoixheh .. ok
14:05.43\amethys1import: the problem is that the packages are different and have different dependencies
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14:05.50zaharazodFastPutty:  you can always use snmpwalk to see the available mibs
14:05.52jellyimport: we can't know that.  Ubuntu may have patches or addons to their software
14:05.53xozimport: good for you. install debian and we can help
14:05.57Azarimport: then remove ubuntu and install Debian
14:06.07importlol
14:06.15bzed!lol
14:06.15importim gona try to fix this ill be back
14:06.15dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
14:06.24jellylol
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14:06.39azeem!aolify jelly
14:07.02xozdpkg: laugh
14:07.18jellydpkg: drop your panties, Sir William, I cannot wait til breakfast!
14:07.29mungaI need a web interface to record a ssh public key and the copy it with a cron job in .ssh/authorized_keys. Like the one in use on souceforge... Is there such software around ?
14:07.38FastPuttyzaharazod: i never use snmpwalk...XD
14:07.50importaright be back later
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14:10.13SpeedyGhi, anyone know of a good gui-based unzip/unrar program for *nix ?
14:10.24dc2447ark
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14:11.33xozSpeedyG: kde has one. try apt-cache search keyword
14:11.34zaharazodFastPutty:  well, it might depend on the device, version of snmp, etc..
14:12.47bzedxoz: which is called ark...as mentioned by dc2447
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14:14.58FalscherHaseSpeedyG: some file managers can open archives and display them like directories
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14:15.09xozSpeedyG: krusader also
14:15.34SpeedyGxoz: arent those both kde-only apps ?
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14:15.51xozSpeedyG: apt-cache search zip kde
14:15.53azeemthere's file-roller as well
14:15.56azeemfor Gnome
14:16.49xozand apt-cache search zip gnome should output file-roller
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14:17.26SF7hi! can anyone help me with a wvdial problem?  http://pastebin.com/m326722f3
14:17.33FastPuttyzaharazod`:  i wanna scan my localhost (debian)
14:17.40FastPuttyzaharazod: the cpu temperature of my debian server
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14:20.49zaharazodFastPutty:  well, for localhost, there are probably easier ways than snmp
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14:20.54dc2does anyone use the ati x1300 pro card under linux?
14:21.07FastPuttyzaharazod: hm ok
14:21.13lontrahi do i need an additional program in to suspend from the gnome-power-manager?  i have installed powersaved and i can suspend and recover from a CLI with powersave -u but when i try to suspend from gnome-power-manager my screen goes blank and then it locks myself requring me to add my user passwd
14:21.20zaharazodFastPutty:  snmp is mostly for polling remote devices
14:21.35FastPuttyzaharazod: but i want to get the cpu in command line like a return..
14:21.42FastPuttyzaharazod: because i wanna make a script from tat
14:21.46zaharazodFastPutty:  check out lm-sensors
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14:22.38wiebelwhen i want to downgrade some packages am i supposed to "forbid-version" the most recent one or is there a better way?
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14:23.46wiebelor more general, is anyone using claws-mail (w/ plugins) on sid?
14:24.08lontraalso what's the gnome-panel applet for 4 desktoops?
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14:24.29FastPuttyzaharazod: does the lm-sensors return a prompt answer?
14:24.49OminousZdoes for me
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14:25.11FastPuttyOminousZ you talking to me?
14:25.20OminousZyep
14:25.26zaharazodFastPutty:  yeah, it should
14:25.39zaharazodFastPutty:  you'll need to set up kernel support for the sensors you have
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14:27.39onvsopumm if i set my sources.list to testing, should i comment out the mirrors for the secutity updates?
14:27.44andrewtaylor_which etch package provides 'mail' - I used to be able (on Sarge) to run 'mail' to read messages from cron etc.
14:29.17petemcmailx
14:29.23petemcandrewtaylor_: /msg dpkg search
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14:31.40FastPuttyOminousZ: ok thanks you
14:32.01OminousZah don't thank me, I didn't do anything
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14:33.03FastPuttyOminousz: Sorry, no sensors were detected.
14:33.09FastPuttyis tat normal? i did a sensors-detect
14:33.31OminousZman lm-sensors
14:34.07FastPuttyNo manual entry for lm-sensors
14:34.08FastPuttyhhaha
14:34.19OminousZeep
14:34.40liabledepends on your hardeware and debian version, i had to compile sensors for new hardware on etch
14:34.50andrewtaylor_I've added cron.*/var/log/cron.log to my syslogd.conf file - I've restarted both cron and syslogd but it's not creating the file - Am I doing something wrong?
14:34.58onvsopumm if i set my sources.list to testing, should i comment out the mirrors for the secutity updates?
14:35.21FastPuttyliable: hmmmm
14:35.36FastPuttyliable: so what you recommend me to do? i need to compile from the scratch?
14:35.45drconvsop: I don't think that it's needed
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14:36.59cydorkonvsop: set the security line to testing.. You do get get security updates for testing.. Once in a while.
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14:38.12zaharazodFastPutty:  figure out exactly what sensors are on your mobo
14:38.19onvsopnice ;D cheers cydork, i didnt thikn testing had security updates
14:38.28zaharazodthen figure out whether your kernel has support
14:38.41liableFastPutty: i got the latest sensors and compiled it, yeah. wasnt a big deal
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14:40.08cydorkonvsop: sid/unstable doesn't get security updates but testing does..
14:40.24onvsopahh :) sweet
14:40.24bzedunstable just gets the new version
14:40.27junix-othermy system won't boot into 2.6.18-5, i have a dell Optiplex 740
14:41.49xozjunix-other: explain more. what is the error
14:42.14junix-otherit stops upon Detecting Hardware
14:42.16junix-otherand is stuck there
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14:42.26onvsopthanks guys :D
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14:42.59xozjunix-other: try init=bin/bash ... edit the kernel boot param. add this line.
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14:45.40Palishhey.  Please humor me, I've been up all night trying to get this project done.  Does anyone know how to do a recursive find-and-replace in unix?
14:45.51petemcfind and sed
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14:46.21xozperl or ruby also
14:46.23Palisha specific example :/
14:46.43petemcfind . -type f |while read ; do sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' ; done
14:46.51petemcPalish: you cant read documentation?
14:46.53Error323hello everyone, for some weird reason I can't get my audio to work as non-root user
14:47.09PalishI've been up almost 24 hours now.. Rails decided that an assumption that my entire codebase was written on was invalid, and changed it for no reason.  45 minutes until I have to go to work.. Huge meeting later today.  I'm sorta freaking out.
14:47.10tarzeau!audio
14:47.10dpkg[sound] ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>.  For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard
14:47.13Error323this started to happen after installing xmms, closing it and reloading it
14:47.15Palishit'd be nice if someone would just help a newbie.
14:47.24xozError323: add user to sound group
14:47.25petemcfind . -type f |while read ; do sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' "$REPLY" ; done
14:47.30bzedPalish: what do you exactly want to do
14:47.59Error323thx xoz, i'll try
14:48.04PalishStarting at a specific folder, search for every *.rb file.  For each *.rb file, replace "foo" with "bar".
14:48.09Palishrepeat for all subfolders
14:48.12junix-otherxoz, where do i add this line??
14:48.19bzedPalish: within the file, or in the filename?
14:48.24Palishwithin the file
14:48.46xozjunix-other: in the grub prompt. kernel .... root=/dev/...  then add init=/bin/bash
14:48.49Error323the group sound doesn't exist on my system
14:49.12bzedPalish: make a copy before you try petemc's line, also add a -name \*.rb to the find args
14:49.36xozError323: audio
14:49.46petemcPalish: find . -type f -name '*.rb' | while read ; do sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' "$REPLY" ; done
14:49.53bzedPalish: or use i like find . -type f -name \*.rb -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i 's,foo,bar,g'
14:50.14PalishI'll try that line real fast.  Thanks a *lot*.
14:50.17PalishI really do appreciate it.
14:50.36petemcwhy? mine works
14:50.40xozor -exec
14:50.41bzedmine too :P
14:50.48petemcso why favour one over the other?
14:50.49dc2447for i in find . -name \*.rb -type f ; do perl -p -i -e 's/foo/bar/g' $i
14:50.51bzedxoz: exec is slow
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14:51.05bzedpetemc: becasue xargs is the fastest
14:51.22Error323xoz: group audio exists, do I need to reload something? if so what? alsamixer output: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
14:51.25bzeddc2447: that won';t work if you have enough files
14:51.26petemcbzed: you know for sure?
14:51.28Palishby the way
14:51.37Palishcan I do s/\<foo/bar/g ?
14:51.42Palishto say "word break before foo"
14:51.58Error323cmd: "usermod -Gaudio user"
14:52.03xozError323: adduser user audio. then relogin.
14:52.11Error323rgr
14:52.12bzedpetemc: if I remember right while forks a subshell for every line you read. xargs just fills MAX_ARGS, runs the command... and so on
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14:52.40junix-otherxoz, how do i save the line???
14:52.43xozbzed: forks should be faster for multiprocessing, no?
14:53.02bzedxoz: why? they're not runnign in parallel
14:53.08xozjunix-other: no, edit... then b to boot.
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14:53.22Error323xoz, thnx that did the trick
14:53.25bzedPalish: what do you exactly mean by 'word break before foo' ?
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14:53.50PalishI'd like to skip over "some_foo"
14:53.55Palishbut "foo_baz" would be fair game
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14:53.58xozjunix-other: init=/bin/bash skips loading the modules... it is for emergency. you have to mount -o remount,rw / to troubleshoot after you have the shell prompt.
14:54.00Palishfor the substitution
14:54.23junix-otherxoz, this happened after i put the ati drivers on
14:54.37codazodaWhen I install software, I have been manually keeping track of the dependencies that were installed, in case I want to uninstall after trying something.  For example, "apt-get install gnomebaker" gives me a list that says "The following extra packages will be installed".  Does aptitude keep track of this itself?  So, I could list the packages that came with gnomebaker?
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14:54.40bzedPalish: or use i like find . -type f -name \*.rb -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i 's,foo_baz,foo_bar,g' <- probably that way?
14:54.42xozjunix-other: you have to go to shell and remove those modules
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14:55.22xozcodazoda: if you use apt-get... you can use feta to remove those useless files.
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14:55.56Opticif I was speccing a web server for mostly cpu-bound tasks, would I be better off with two dual core xeons, or one quad core xeon?
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14:56.06xozcodazoda: feta orphan
14:56.25Palishbzed: not sure.. I understood when it was a straight regular expression
14:56.29Palishbut not anymore :/
14:56.31codazodaxoz: So, that would remove any libraries that are no longer needed?
14:56.42danikhi how i can install debian on usb pendrive 4gb?
14:56.43danik;]
14:56.44bzedPalish: if you knwo regexps just use them in sed
14:56.54xozcodazoda: yep.
14:57.07codazodaCool.
14:57.23bzedPalish: I think you ahve to use \( \), though... I don;t use sed with regexps often enough
14:57.30xozcodazoda: tracks down unneeded libs and remove it.
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14:58.24codazodaxoz: Is it always (or usually) safe to use?
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14:58.47Palishsurely there's some simple way to say "match a whole word" instead of "match a partial word"
14:58.57Palishvi lets you do :s/\<foo/bar/g
14:59.07Palishwhich would skip over some_foo, but not foo_baz
14:59.46petemcPalish: make a copy of one file and try it
14:59.56Palishhm?
15:00.01petemcsuck it and see
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15:01.54xozcodazoda: install and read the docs. it is safe because debian policy is very good. it just uses the debs packaging system features to look for dead deps.
15:01.54xozcodazoda: from my experience, it is ok. otherwise, it should not have been placed in the debian stable for a long time.
15:02.09dc2447Following my error of having sarge sourcelist on an etch box - I now have some apache packages listed as installed by dpkg-query but can't be removed by apt or aptitude - how can I purge my system of these packages?
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15:02.24Palishso
15:02.44Palishthat code you gave me doesn't appear to recursively walk through every subfolder
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15:02.51Palishwait
15:02.55Palishdifferent extension, nevermind, sorry
15:03.01Palishcan I do -name '*.rb;*.rhtml' ?
15:03.17Palishfind . -type f -name '*.rb;*.rhtml' | ...
15:03.21bzedPalish: no, run it twice then
15:03.29codazodaI guess I kept it pretty clean.  Only one orphan package.  Thanks for the info.
15:03.32bzedPalish: or use find -name foo -o -name bar
15:03.40bzedPalish: that coudl work, too
15:03.54Palishhm?
15:03.54bzedPalish: and for your replacing problem - probably something like echo ' blubfoo bar ' | sed 's, \([^ ]*\)foo, \1bar ,g'
15:04.10Palishwhat's the -o?
15:04.18bzedPalish: "OR"
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15:05.35Palishthanks :)
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15:15.56jacekowskihi
15:16.08dc2447anyone offer some thoughts on fixing this? http://pastebin.com/m32cefa
15:16.15jacekowskiDHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
15:16.16jacekowskiDHCPACK from 85.214.1.1
15:16.16jacekowskiSIOCADDRT: No such process
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15:16.34jacekowskiwhen i run dhclient
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15:16.53jacekowskiwhen i trying to set routes by hand i have same error
15:16.55hobbzillaHey all! Anyone know of a Debian repository that I can use that has prebuilt packages for Etch using the newer version of Hylafax?
15:16.55jacekowskibut
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15:17.41jacekowskiwhen i chroot to other system (recovery) from broken debian dhclient works
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15:19.09onvsopdoes anyone know were the debian grub config file is
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15:19.37stewonvsop: /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst
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15:20.20dc2447last try - anyone suggest what to do when dpkg says a package is installed when it isn't?
15:20.32onvsophmm nah not that one isnt there another one which tells update-grub about the root device etc
15:20.40stewdc2447: aptitude reinstall packagename
15:20.47onvsopfor exampe if i edit menu.list menually
15:20.58onvsopthen run update-grub it will ovveride the settings
15:21.03stewonvsop: the # groot= and # kopt= lines in menu.lst
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15:21.17onvsopah :D
15:21.20stewonvsop: note that those #s are necessary and should not be removed
15:21.27onvsopcheers stew
15:21.30onvsopchamp :D
15:21.58dc2447stew:  the package name is different - dpkg shows sarge packages which aren't installed
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15:22.17killershhelo. i'd like to make a script running in daemon mode -- so it will run on start of system etc. is there some infrastructure to help with this?
15:22.30stewdc2447: how did the packages get removed?
15:22.44stewkillersh: man start-stop-daemon
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15:23.06stewdc2447: what is an example of such a package
15:23.35dc2447stew: http://pastebin.com/m32cefa
15:24.08gryfie_Hi, fsck.ext3 gives a return-code of 127 when chekcing my partition, but that value is impossible, if the man-page is correct
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15:24.26dc2447stew: I had a sarge sources list on a etch box - have fixed that but now packages are screwed up
15:24.41stewdc2447: what is an example of a package that is screwed up?
15:25.00dc2447stew: apache2-common  2.0.54-5sarge1
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15:25.13azeemdc2447: what does "dpkg -l apache2-common | tail -1" say?
15:25.33dc2447rc  apache2-common 2.0.54-5sarge1 next generation, scalable, extendable web server
15:25.39azeemso?
15:25.50stewdc2447: c menas that the the dpkg database thinks that it is removed
15:26.01azeemdc2447: so dpkg doesn't think it's installed
15:26.15dc2447Ok - thanks guys
15:26.26dc2447something very odd here
15:26.30stewdc2447: what is odd?
15:26.59stewdc2447: 'rc' means "you requested removal (r) and it has been removed but not purges, so configuration files (c) remain"
15:27.08stew^purges^purged
15:27.38dc2447when I install all the apache  packages for etch -apache complains as if it has half insllaed packages - I'll retry
15:27.47stewdc2447: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
15:28.09dc2447stew: - which command?
15:28.23stewdc2447: the command that causes it to complain
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15:37.24dc2447Thanks stew et al - purging the packages was the answer - cheers
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15:43.30KodessI want two cloned screens on two different monitors each with its own resolution. I wrote in xorg.cong Option "TwinView" and Option "TwinViewOrientation" "Clone" and left "MetaModes" #ed. How do I get different reoslutions on the two monitors? One of them is a laptop wide screen and the other is a usual LG1950.
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15:44.34DuzchipHeya, is there a program to preview .eps -files in debian?
15:45.14Kodessactually it is supposed to have been able to do that quickly with no xorg.conf edititng
15:45.41KodessDuzchip: any picture viewer
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15:46.02Duzchipkodess: cant get any to work
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15:49.33Insolitanyone knows what "backout" is?
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15:50.24Duzchipgqview wont work with .eps, gwenview wont work
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15:50.33Duzchipgimp wont work
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15:51.14xozDuzchip: gv, kghostview, etc
15:51.41xozDuzchip: apt-cache search eps viewer. xpdf maybe
15:52.16xozand evince
15:52.22Duzchipkghostview worked
15:52.23Duzchipthanks
15:52.26Duzchipevince didn't work
15:52.37xozgv als
15:52.42xozalso*
15:53.15wiebelwhen i want to downgrade some packages am i supposed to "forbid-version" the most recent one or is there a better way? (sorry been afk)
15:53.16xozDuzchip: or you can epstopdf or eps2pdf and use xpdf...etc
15:53.25xoz!downgrade
15:53.26dpkgmethinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated.  Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade.  You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
15:54.17wiebelhmmm ... to say "sweet" would be lying, but thx anyway xoz
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15:58.57assasukassehi is there anyone that has compiled gimp 2.4.1 on debian etch?
15:59.12atulahello. I'm trying to set up an email server with postfix/squirrelmail. I guess the thing I'm confused about is this: if a mail account is represented by a user (created by useradd perhaps--just without shell access) then how does it know about the user@dmainname.com? A little bit confused. I just made a ln of /usr/shared/squirrelmail and was able to access email of one of the user. In any case, could someone enlighten me because no matter now many postfi
15:59.13atulax tutorial I read.. I just dont get the "ah-hah" realization I'm looking for.
15:59.17atulathank you so much
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15:59.20JonkoPais debian stable really suited for production server ?
15:59.24JonkoPaor is it to old?
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15:59.38atulastable is plenty for a server
15:59.43atulawhat kind of server though?
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15:59.53JonkoPais it plenty for a _production_ server?
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16:00.09atulawell... like I said. what kind of serveR?
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16:00.17atulaif it's just for a webserver... then yeah
16:00.19assasukasseJonkoPa: stable is perfect for a server
16:00.29gryfie_how do I enable dma on a sata-disc?
16:00.32atulabut if you're thinking about more complicated hosting stuff.. it's a different story
16:00.32JonkoPawebserver, mailing, basicly hosting purposes
16:00.40atulawell.. then it's fine
16:00.41JonkoPaI was thinking of tagging testing
16:00.45JonkoPaor mixing it
16:00.46atulain fact.. it's the best solution
16:00.55assasukasseJonkoPa: i would stay with stable
16:00.58wiebelgryfie_, I'm not sure if there  is something like PIO on SATA
16:00.59DawnLightfor production use stable
16:01.00atulaif you go any newer.. you'd risk breaking stuff
16:01.02tinyHi! I have a need for local debian package repository in case I need to install any package later on a box that will not have inet access. Any specific debian commands for cloning package repo?
16:01.18wiebelgryfie_, but just AFAIK
16:01.31gryfie_wiebel: Ok, that makes sense :)
16:01.40atulatiny: just get the packages and install them locally?
16:02.03atulaanyone care to explain to me my email server question?
16:02.29tinyatula: you mean like rsync the repo?
16:03.02gryfie_if I use fsck.ext3 -c, where does it store the badblock-file?
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16:04.07wiebelatula, I don't get the point of your question
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16:04.33bizi've just installed vim-scripts, but i can't use the colorschemes shipped with it since they don't appear in the list, so i have to load them with the full path - what is the right way to get their path into vim's search path for colorschemes?
16:04.38atulawiebel: about the email server?
16:05.25atulawiebel: I'm trying to set up an email server with postfix and squirrelmail. I just don't get how local users are associated with email users and how they are connected with domain.
16:05.26wiebelatula, if postfix feels responsible for *@domain.name it will simply place the mails to its local user accounts, or refuse the delivery if there is no such user
16:05.45wiebelok, then i got you right
16:06.00wiebelyou have to tell postfix what is his local domain
16:06.03atulawiebel: so basically, an email user is just a local user without shell access?
16:06.16wiebelexactly
16:06.24atulahere's the monkey wrench into the issue. what if there are more than a few domains?
16:06.25xandthey can have shell access
16:06.28wiebelbut sure enough there are other ways
16:06.39wiebelno
16:06.46xandand they don't have to be normal users
16:06.48wiebelno, i misread that
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16:07.18wiebelper default postfix only serves "real" local users
16:07.21atulaxand: is there a package that handles mail users?
16:07.24rubymonkHello everyone, Is there a place other than /etc/modules where I can write what modules to load. My issue is that I need to load an IDE module before ide_generic...
16:07.28rubymonkAny idea ?
16:07.46almatheaDo I really _must_ to have some linux-image version installed?
16:07.47azeemwhy don't put it before ide_generic then?
16:07.58azeem!equivs
16:07.58dpkgrumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal>
16:08.03rubymonkazeem, ide_generic is not in /etc/modules
16:08.07rubymonkit's load automatically
16:08.14azeemrubymonk: then check /etc/modprobe.d
16:08.19rubymonkok, thanks
16:08.28almatheaazeem, factoid for me?
16:08.34azeemyes
16:08.47almatheaOk, I'll check it out thanks.
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16:09.02azeemalmathea: what happens when you try to remove linux-image?
16:09.24azeemalmathea: nothing bad happens here
16:10.04almatheaazeem, well, after I remove it, aptitude tries to resolve it back.
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16:11.25azeemno idea
16:11.30gryfie_if fsck.ext3 -ckf brings every time the message "filesystem modified".... and returns state 1, I guess the harddisc is damaged in a way, it's not worth to map the blocks out?
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16:12.18gryfie_after a fresh mkfs.ext3 (tryed with diffrent distributions)
16:13.41wiebelatula, you have the local_recipient_maps variable in main.cf
16:15.08atulawiebel: it seems that I'm missing quite a bit of params in the main.cf.. I'm free to add the missing ones, correct?
16:15.29atulawiebel: I thin what I'm looking for is virtual user/mailbox http://www.akadia.com/services/postfix_separate_mailboxes.html
16:16.28wiebelatula, sure, you have loads of sample cf modules which you can simply paste to your main.cf
16:17.13atulawiebel: okay. that sounds right... I guess I'm confused about the concept of a mail server.. went through the same thing when I had to set up an "ftp server" hehe
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16:20.16atulawiebel: postfix is the mta. now what are pop and imap? I mean I understand what those protocols are... just don't understand their role on a server
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16:20.42etatula: for that, you'd use for example dovecot
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16:21.38atulaah, I see.. dovecot is the pop/imap server
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16:25.28Greek-Boyi accidentaly deleted my rc.local. Where do I get a stock version of it for debian etch?
16:26.10Greek-Boyactually i didn't delete it. just did a cp command by accident and replaced it
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16:26.49abrotman!find rc.local etch
16:27.05dpkgDebian Search of 'rc.local' (4): (/etc/init.d/rc.local) in admin/initscripts ;; (/usr/share/doc/ipip/examples/n8fow/rc.local) in net/ipip ;; (/usr/share/doc/mimefilter/examples/rc.local.s10.gz) in mail/mimefilter ;; (/usr/share/doc/smartlist/examples/{rc.local.r00|rc.local.s20}) in mail/smartlist.
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16:30.36Greek-Boythanks
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16:30.42wiebelatula, basicaly the mta only speaks SMTP, POP must be provided by it's own server, the same goes with IMAP. After the MTA has put the mails in to the user's mbox (or Maildir or whatever) the POP/IMAP server must be able to look at thos boxes
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16:31.43wiebelso the connection between yout MTA and yout IMAP/POP server is just any local service (Filesystem, mysql ...)
16:32.04wiebel:local::
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16:33.16JonkoPappl from Europ do need non-Us right?
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16:34.28petemcJonkoPa: no, thats not the case any more
16:34.44JonkoPapetemc, could you tell me more about that?
16:34.56Ronin!non-us
16:34.56dpkgrumour has it, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ...
16:35.50wiebel!crypto
16:35.51dpkgCryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws.  This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US.  That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US.  Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors".
16:36.12wiebelmunition, lol
16:36.26JonkoPabut non-Us is 'obsolete' so !crypto is not uptodate?
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16:37.13wiebelJonkoPa, " Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ..." should be up-to-date
16:37.44Zippy2since when does google have a "security team"?
16:37.54Zippy2http://openpkg.com/go/OpenPKG-SA-2007.023
16:37.57wiebelwhatever, that's a dead lock
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16:39.11assasukasse!dpkg help
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16:39.26Roninhelp with what assasukasse ?
16:39.42assasukasseRonin: i forgot the command to install from debian source
16:39.54assasukassesince i am in etch and i need to fast backport some stuffs
16:40.15Ronin!simple sid backport
16:40.16dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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16:40.41assasukasseRonin: better to use sid or lenny for backports?
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16:43.36cydorkassasukasse: you should check the backports.org first..
16:43.43assasukassecydork: did already
16:44.15cydorkassasukasse: aah then simple sid backport it is..
16:44.55assasukassecydork: unfortunately gimp 2.4 cant be built from sid since fails..i am trying to see if it is in lenny instead
16:45.14cydorkassasukasse: i don't think so..
16:45.30assasukassethen i stay for now :d
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16:45.40assasukassein sid says i don't have the right version of debhelper
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16:46.53assasukasseseems that it needs gtk2.10
16:46.57assasukassewhile i have only 2.8
16:47.16assasukasseis that possible to tell it to download the gtk2.10 and install in /opt/libs so that i can compile anyway?
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16:47.28wwwnickhi, is possible find somewhere md5sum for 40r1-i386 netinstall iso?
16:47.31zerodhey
16:48.26thelostbutlerwwwnick: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/
16:48.55thelostbutlerwwwnick: oops wrong url sorry
16:49.27wwwnickthelostbutler: i found the file myself :)
16:49.39wwwnicki doesn`t notice this md5sums file before...
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16:49.58thelostbutlerwwwnick: 9c373cff16573af06a9b7b4a7e5e2d6f it is there in that file
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16:50.10thelostbutlerhttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
16:50.52wwwnickthelostbutler: hm, ok, just to be sure, this netinstall iso is bootable, right?
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16:52.46msikmaHi there :) I have a small problem that's probably really easy to fix, apt-related
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16:53.39msikmaI was updating a computer remotely via SSH. A debconf message popped up while doing that. I lost the ssh connection before I could give an answer, however, so now the apt directory is locked and I can't fix the system.
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16:54.12msikmaI'm not very good with Debian systems, I've only recently started using it for work, so I'm still getting used to things.
16:54.54msikmaSo I'd probably need to somehow cancel the running process, to make it possible for me to update the system via apt again, and then just simply apt-get dist-upgrade -f or something like that?
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16:58.17robbopluswhat you think? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/07/microsoft_tries_to_patent_automatic_goodbye_messages/
16:58.36robboplusas my opinion is that Ballmer seriously needs a reboot :)
16:58.58msikmaIs it possible to reattach a running process to another user?
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16:59.04msikmaOr rather, the same user...but one who logged in again
16:59.27robboplusno
16:59.46msikmaGuess I'll just have to...KILL IT.
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17:02.08somiajmsikma: in the future, if you run things from inside a screensession you can just reattach to the screen session if you have a DC
17:02.12helowhat is the easiest way to tell what module(s) a network device (e.g. eth1) is using?
17:02.27msikmasomiaj: huh, so I can?
17:02.33msikmaHow would I do this?
17:02.52tnksI was curious about packaging practices.  sun-java5-bin creates a symlink from  /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun -> java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.13.  Is this done by an install script?  Or does the "ar" archiving support symlinks fine?
17:02.55somiajmsikma: you would have to run screen from the start, in this case you cannot, but if you learn to use screen (apt-cache show screen) you can avoid this in the future
17:03.18somiajhelo: lsmod, and look at the modules
17:03.26msikmaI see, that's interesting...
17:03.30msikmaFor now I'll just kill and retry
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17:04.07helosomaij: there is no mention of eth0/eth1 in lsmod's output
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17:04.56somiajhelo: you could dmesg | grep eth0 that sometimes says which module grabed the card, for the most part I just look at the output of lsmod, and then just figure out which nic modules are running
17:05.09heloi guess i could use z25_persistent-net.rules
17:05.29Greek-Boynow i'm trying to get dhcpd to listen and assign addresses only on a specific NIC/network but its not working :( asking for a range on the second NIC too
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17:06.28MrBrdoI have a RTL-8139 card and i have 8139cp driver loaded and ifconfig -a shows no interfaces..
17:07.10Zippy2MrBrdo: does lspci show the card
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17:10.02somiajMrBrdo: I think you need the 8139too driver, and udev sometimes loads the wrong driver in your case, rmmod 8139cp && modprobe 8139too and see if that helps you out
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17:13.28MrBrdosomiaj i tried blacklisting 8139cp now, we'll see what happens
17:13.31MrBrdoZippy2 yes it does, but i have too rtl cards though and i'm not sure which one is which.. and none of the two get loaded
17:15.06assasukassei did apt-get build-dep gimp, installed the packages and built the .deb, how do i remove the .dev files now?
17:16.19stewassasukasse: apt-get remove package1 package2 package3 etc...
17:16.25assasukasseeww
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17:17.56jellynext time remember to save the "packages to be installed" bit when doing build-dep somewhere
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17:18.23stewor use pbuilder :)
17:18.26jellydpkg.log might be helpful
17:18.33jellynah, too much overhead
17:19.20jellyaptitude could surely use some deb-src support
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17:20.50stewjelly: i'm sure a patch would be welcome :P
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17:30.01elnovatillohello, any applet to watch movies in the taskbar in kde??
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17:30.34elnovatillo.;/bhobklb. lbbkl b puy[b
17:30.37elnovatillouigvbpfv
17:30.42rahuldpkg: any ideas?
17:30.42dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a box full of herring, a little WD-40, and a dozen sex-crazed badgers.  And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!
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17:39.27ManuPis eyeOS secure?
17:39.40azeemManuP: how is that question related to Debian?
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17:40.38ManuPazeem, wow, right, now that you say that :) at least, i am using debian ^^
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17:41.07edistardoes anyone know a lightweight chat client that runs on debian, textbased pidgin or so?
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17:41.15azeemManuP: this is not a general discussion channel for Debian users, try #debian-offtopic for that
17:41.21azeemedistar: irssi
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17:41.43olaKubuntu sucks, how to get it to become gutsy gibboin?
17:42.23edistarola: this is #debian, not #ubuntu
17:43.02somiajedistar: you mean an IM client?
17:43.05olaYeah, but I don't neeed ubuntu help
17:43.14olaI need debian kubuntu help
17:43.40stewola: please aski in #kubuntu or #ubuntu, not here. this channel only supports debian, not ubuntu or kubuntu
17:43.46cahootyou are a bit confused wrt debian and ubuntus
17:44.01olaKubuntu is debian with kde
17:44.10azeemola: it's not
17:44.14azeemola: it's Ubuntu with KDE
17:44.21azeemola: so go to #kubuntu or #ubuntu
17:45.08olaWhat is ubuntu then? debian with gnome?
17:45.25stewola: a completely separate distribute of gnu/linux than debian
17:45.39stewerr distribution*
17:45.54olaOk, is dell latitude d630 a good linux computer?
17:46.03capiirais debian maintaining  their sites? incoming.debian.org is not working since days!
17:46.18stewcapiira: yes,  the machine hosting it had a hardware failure which is being worked on
17:46.19somiajola: just because they are based off of debian, they are acually their own distrubition, they have their own package layout, they just use the debian base to make their os, but they are independent from debian
17:46.45capiiraah ok  thank you :)
17:47.11stewcapiira: i'd expect an announcement on http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce when it has been resolved
17:47.16elnovatilloany softawre to convert any video into a .flv file/
17:47.28capiira:)
17:47.58olaCan I rezise a partition I'm currently using? ext3?
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17:49.24capiirano
17:49.28Eulexola, ext3 doesn't support online resizing. you need to unmount it.
17:49.31capiirayou need to unmount it first
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17:49.42stewman resize2fs
17:49.42Greek-Boywhat happened to the lame and soxmix packages?
17:49.44stewall of you
17:49.50olacan I do that while I'm running debian off it and kde?
17:50.09stewola: man resize2fs
17:50.16Eulexstew, aah.
17:50.28Eulexola, nevermind me.
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17:51.25capiirabut just expand
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17:51.42olaI want it to be smaler
17:51.59Eulexola, then you need to unmount it.
17:52.03capiiraunmount it
17:52.10capiirause a live cd and do it from there
17:52.14DustyDingo*grml* what is the alsa util to play a sine?
17:52.39DustyDingoit is able to do speaker tests, etc. can't remeber the name
17:53.01capiiraalsa player?
17:53.06ebel[work]I've made some custom debs and I'd like to make a CD for use with apt-cdrom. How do I create the CD image?
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17:53.44stewGreek-Boy: soxmix is in the sox package, there was never a soxmix package afaic.  lame is not in debian due to patent restrictions
17:53.52DustyDingocapiira: no
17:54.29cahootDustyDingo: don't know if there's a plain alsautil - ecasound can
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17:55.24Greek-Boystew: thanks for the info. does sox package support liblame?
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17:55.54stewGreek-Boy: i don't know
17:55.59Greek-Boythanks
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17:58.58capiiraDustyBin, http://alsa.opensrc.org/Alsa-utils
17:59.02capiiraups
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17:59.26capiiraDustyDingo! ^^^^^ url was for you
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18:03.20DustyDingohm, speaker-test, that could have been obvious
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18:06.47HSorgYvesgood morning
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18:08.04HSorgYvesi am one of the developers of GeoGebra and the maintainer of the installers... we are planing to provide a debian package in the near future... can anyone point me to a good starting point of information?
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18:09.05stewHSorgYves: /msg dpkg maint-guide ; /msg dpkg policy
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18:10.16egn_what kernel is debian sid linux running on currently?
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18:10.39lyscerWhen I try to do an apt-get update my mirrors are failing. Another wierd thing is that while it is doing it's thing it says: [conntecting to mirrors.kernel.org] [connecting to http.us.debian.org]... Does it just try to connect to everything all at once?
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18:11.09egn_stew: thanks
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18:11.30MaulkinMeh. New I'd forgotton somewhere
18:11.47stewMaulkin: aloha
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18:12.41luca\\Hello, after doing su i became root but i can't became an user (vu2001) and i remain root... Why? The vu2001 has /bin/false as shell...
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18:14.47luca\\stew :* thank you but...months ago
18:14.53luca\\i could switch easily ...
18:14.58luca\\What is changed? :| boh...
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18:16.16mortal1hello all, I just installed the sun jdk deb package, and I want to tell linux to use this, instead of gcj for applications like OO.org, azureus, etc
18:16.25mortal1how do I do this?
18:16.35stewmortal1: update-alternatives --config java
18:16.40stewluca\\: i dont' know
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18:17.09lyscerhow do I see what version of linux I am running on a machine?
18:17.15lyscersorry, debian
18:17.24lyscerI want to know if it is etch/sarge/etc...
18:17.44stewlyscer: compare the installed version of libc6 to available versions from http://packages.debian.org/libc6
18:17.49mortal1stew, tried that, and it says there is nothing to configure, because gcj isn't already present
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18:18.20mortal1I don't want to install gcj, as gcj is a terrible implimentation of java
18:18.25Pred2k4hi, aint there IdleTimeout in sshd_config anymore?
18:18.32stewmortal1: i dont' understand what you are asking then
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18:18.51mortal1stew, I'm wondering if there's any other method to do that?
18:18.56abrotmanmortal1: did you install the sun java from debian packages?
18:19.04mortal1yes
18:19.16mortal1it was out of the repositories
18:19.21stewmortal1: you could do it by hand, but there is no reason not to just use update-alternatives
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18:19.30stewmortal1: what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return?
18:19.53lyscerstew: Sorry, where is the libc6 I am suppose to look at?
18:19.59mortal1stew, I'd have to get back to you on that, I'm not currently at my machine
18:20.06stewlyscer: "dpkg -l libc6" would tell you the version
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18:20.22Greek-Boyhow do I create a network bridge in debian between two interfaces so that I am able to to reach the PC's on eth1 through eth0 interface if I use the debian box as a gateway to eth1's network?
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18:20.39lyscerstew: Thanks
18:20.46lyscerfound and compared
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18:25.09DawnLight!greet TrueDD
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18:26.08TrueDDDawnLight, hi
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18:26.59TrueDDDawnLight, you though I was a bot ?
18:27.14DawnLighthad no such thought
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18:27.36SupaplexTrueDD: countless people say hi when they join.
18:27.36DawnLight!bot
18:27.37dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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18:28.08TrueDDSupaplex, I see :)
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18:29.28blahttp://www.ex-periment.wmn.eu/?id=47990
18:30.01Ronin!ops bla is spamming some stupid online game
18:30.01dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: bla is spamming some stupid online game
18:30.01DawnLightnow that is a bot
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18:34.35rubymonkAllright, after analysis, I got this issue: http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxKernelIdeProblem I use initramfs and it sounds my chipset (Via NForce2 MCP2A) it supported by the module amd74xx. Now... the issue is that debian loads ide_generic instead of amd74xx and I have no DMA support. Some people over internet says to load amd74xx BEFORE ide_generic which didn't seem to solve my issue (updated /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and set MODULES=list in initramfs.c
18:34.36rubymonkonf, just to make sure the modules file will have the only loaded modules, in that order... May please anyone help me ? I really need it...)
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18:36.06wols!tell rubymonk about blacklist
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18:36.18rubymonkhum... ok, I'll do it... hope it will work
18:36.20rubymonkThanks
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18:36.27wolsread ALL of it
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18:39.12rubymonkI have there a file called "blacklist", not "blacklist.local"... This matters, right ?
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18:39.45maxamillionrubymonk: i've never heard of blacklist.local, but i know that modprobe will check blacklist.custom just as it does blacklist
18:40.19rubymonkWell, I'll follow blindly what dpkg said
18:40.25rubymonkWe'll see then
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18:42.38stewmaxamillion: it checks all files in /etc/modprobe.d regardless of name
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18:43.02maxamillionstew: ah ... i was not aware of that
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18:43.27rubymonkOk
18:43.29rubymonkI did it
18:43.32rubymonkrebooted
18:43.38rubymonkand the module is loaded...
18:43.43rubymonkAnd yes, I have read it all
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18:46.15Eulexrubymonk, uh, yes.
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18:46.16Eulexrubymonk, if your /boot is on a separate partition, that is
18:46.16rubymonkit is
18:46.16rubymonkit's read-only
18:46.24rubymonkremounted it
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18:46.57Eulexthen make it read-write
18:46.57rubymonkand ran again the command, rebooting now
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18:46.58xjkxstew, my monitor is a crt
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18:47.17xjkxstew, my monitor is a crt
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18:47.37stewxjkx: apt-cache show xvattr
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18:48.38rubymonkWorked :)
18:48.41rubymonkThanks guys
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18:57.20diafic*ehem*
18:57.25diaficFREENODE SUCKS.
18:57.27diaficThat is all.
18:57.35stewdiafic: please keep it constructive, and on-topic
18:57.48dutchfishwhat happened? just want to know
18:57.55diaficdutchfish, netsplat.
18:57.56stewdutchfish: google for netsplit
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18:59.14edistarcan anyone help me? I have set up my network driver with ndiswrapper and the little wifi led is on so somehow it works, but I need to set my wlan interface to dhcp in textbased mode, any tips?
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18:59.32dutchfishstew, thx for explanation
18:59.35sam_ukwhat is the recommended driver for intel graphics please?
18:59.37wols!tell edistar about interfaces
18:59.42sam_uki would like direct rendering
18:59.46wolssam_uk: i810
18:59.55nkuttleredistar: man dhclient, man interfaces
19:00.04edistarnkuttler: ok, thx
19:00.05sam_ukis there a how-to somewher please?
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19:02.29MiescoSHould I upgrade to testing?
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19:03.41nkuttlerMiesco: no
19:03.41SupaplexMiesco: if it's not labled 'stable' be prepared for issues.
19:03.42M0useP0t4t0how do I install Deluge (torrent cllient) on Etch? I tried & resolved all dependencies, but it won't install
19:03.42MiescoSHould I get unstable?
19:03.57SupaplexMiesco: certianly no
19:04.27nkuttlerMiesco: learn how to fix things first
19:04.30MiescoOkay
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19:04.50Supaplex!sid upgrade to Miesco
19:04.55Supaplex!sid upgrade
19:04.55dpkgRepeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.
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19:05.23Supaplexbut yea, get some <grounding> on stable first.
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19:05.31iruleis mysql 5.0.32 too old?
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19:06.34xjkxstew, on man i found this and followed  xvattr -a XV_BRIGHTNESS -v 125 and if thtats the way didnt work, i think 125 was the max, tried 130 and said it couldnt
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19:07.05irule5.0.32 comes as default in debian etch, is there an easy way to upgrade it?
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19:07.27nkuttlerirule: why do you want to do that?
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19:07.42dutchfishstew, i am not sure what to look for, i tested adapter according to manufacurers manual, but after 10Gbit i stopped with not even 1 dropped package
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19:07.51irulenkuttler bacula is comlpaining
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19:08.23dutchfishstew, i also replaced the switch, same result happens
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19:09.02nkuttlerirule: you should rather file a bug report agains a package if things in stable don't work as expected
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19:09.13dutchfishstew, either there something fishy going on or the physical link is dieng, dont know how to check that
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19:10.20stewdutchfish: tried replacing the cable?  how long is the cable from the nic to the switch?
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19:10.33dutchfishstew, of coarse, was my first bet, all certified and tested cat 5E
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19:10.42sam_anyone know where the XF86.Config files for a client resides on a etch LTSP system?
19:10.48dutchfishstew, shielded connectors
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19:11.29dutchfishstew, cable length 1.5 mtr
19:11.30Supaplexsam_: only ltsp people would know. debian keeps it in /etc/X11/
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19:12.32dutchfishstew, it must be something to the uplink
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19:13.00dutchfishstew, ~ 10 dropped packets in 15 min
19:13.07stewdutchfish: uplink?  i thought you were seeing it on a particular port?
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19:13.27dutchfishstew, yes the port is an uplink in a small vlan
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19:14.42dutchfishstew, only the linux machine have this issue
19:14.53abrotmanstop this crazy ride!
19:14.58dutchfishstew, machine(s)
19:15.09guillaume1gpsdrive fail too : (gpsdrive:17049): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
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19:15.28stewguillaume1: are you trying to run gpsdrive as root?
19:15.40guillaume1stew: no
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19:16.01stewguillaume1: are you trying to run it as the user that is currently logged into X?
19:16.08abrotmanwhat happens if you try to run a suid binary in X as a user?
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19:16.10guillaume1stew: yes
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19:16.56dutchfishstew, i am out, i have to do some checks, other alarms are ringing on this net, cya later
19:17.19stewguillaume1: can you double check?  what does "w | awk '$2~/:0/{print $1}'" return?
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19:17.34stewguillaume1: and what does "whoami" return?
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19:20.28guillaume1stew not the same output : first is "guillaum" second is "guillaume"
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19:21.08simonrvnstiv2k: looks like you were right, see notice =)
19:21.29simonrvnguillaume1: first was truncated
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19:22.23guillaume1simonrvn: ok so it's the same output
19:23.20slakmagikI'm having trouble posting with slrn - in Slackware I had 'set sendmail_command "/usr/local/bin/msmtp -oi -t -oem -odb"' which didn't work on Debian, of course. I modified it to /usr/bin/msmtp and, when I cat a mail message through that, it sends. But not in slrn. No clue where to start with this one, really. My msmtp log shows no errors but also shows no attempt other than my cat command.
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19:25.40diabeatus2hello, I am getting the following error while using apt, any idea how to resolve? E: The package libc6 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
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19:25.47stewdiabeatus2: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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19:26.29diabeatus2http://pastebin.com/m26d9e0e7
19:26.34simonrvnmo'fo'ing kiddies ....
19:26.34diabeatus2stew thanks
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19:26.51abrotman!sdn
19:26.51dpkgit has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
19:26.54junix-otherhi i can't boot machine anymore now that I have loaded the ATI drivers on etch
19:27.29rvsjoenis "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT" enough to allow inbound ssh when default policy is DROP ?
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19:28.04guillaume1stew: under root gpsman and gpsdrive start. how can I fix this problem ?
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19:28.39diabeatus2stew anyideas?
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19:29.19abrotmanrvsjoen: looks right .. maybe ask #iptables
19:29.49rvsjoenI did, got an answer too, thanks :)
19:29.54dtohi folks. i have an HDD in an external USB enclosure. it shows up as USB storage device, but there's no partition table (the drive is unformatted.) how do I go about putting a filesystem on it?
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19:33.25masushi all i have 2 gb of ram , but my debian etch show me only 800 mb of ram how to fix this
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19:33.25masushi all i have 2 gb of ram , but my debian etch show me only 800 mb of ram how to fix this. thanks...
19:33.25diabeatus2stew did you see that pastebin?
19:33.25abrotmanmasus: what is your CPU ?
19:33.25masusabrotman: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 244
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19:33.25abrotmanmasus: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k8
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19:33.46masushmmm ok . thats all ?
19:33.54abrotmanor maybe it's -amd64 .. one or the other should work :)
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19:33.54diabeatus2stew you still here?
19:33.55abrotman!info linux-image-2.6-k8 etch
19:33.55abrotman!info linux-image-2.6-amd64 etch
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19:33.55dpkglinux-image-2.6-amd64: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB
19:33.55abrotmanmasus: yep ..
19:33.55masusok thanks
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19:34.01abrotmanmasus: you're using the default -486 kernel .. which doesn't support that much RAM (because a 486 doesn't either)
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19:34.13guillaume1masus: sometime it may come from bios too
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19:34.23stewdiabeatus2: yes
19:34.31masusnot from bios because on freebsd there was 2gb
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19:34.37diabeatus2any ideas on how to fix that?
19:34.42stewdiabeatus2: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
19:34.49diabeatus2oh, you missed that
19:34.55diabeatus2http://pastebin.com/m26d9e0e7
19:35.18guillaume1masus: just upgrade your kernel so
19:35.23masusok ..
19:35.26stewdiabeatus2: yeah, you are running unstable, but only have sources available for stable
19:35.28abrotmani already said that!
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19:35.52stewdiabeatus2: so you can't reinstall libc6 becuase you have the unstable version of libc6 and you don't have an unstable repository
19:36.02diabeatus2is sarge unstable?
19:36.14stewdiabeatus2: i don't know what is causing it to believe that you need to reinstall libc6.  what command did you run that told you that?
19:36.35stewdiabeatus2: no sarge is "oldstable" which replaced by etch as the current "stable" in april
19:36.50diabeatus2the first thing i did with this box was "apt-get update" when i got the box
19:36.56diabeatus2pre-existing enviroment
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19:37.26jinzohello
19:37.27diabeatus2not really production, but i dont have a monitor/keyboard to access the box
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19:37.57diabeatus2can i just change the "stable"s in sources.list to unstables, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade?
19:38.05jinzoI'm runig etch, and when I try to install libncurses5-dev I get " libncurses5-dev: Depends: libncurses5 (= 5.5-5) but 5.6+20070908-1 is to be installedE: Broken packages"
19:38.07stewdiabeatus2: you probably should reinstall stable
19:38.08jinzoany ideas ?
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19:38.27abrotmanjinzo: do you ahve security sources?
19:38.35diabeatus2stew not possible at this time, no monitor or keyboard, no way to get one
19:38.42abrotmanjinzo: and did you run aptitude update before trying to install ?
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19:39.06jinzoabrotman, "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" and I updated the system with apt-get
19:39.15dtohi tro
19:39.35slakmagikOkay, now I'm even more confused. How is it possible to be able to post to alt.test and not be able to post to linux.debian.user? I just posted to alt.test and it worked.
19:39.36stewjinzo: you are trying ot mix etch and lenny aka stable and testing, which is neither supported nor recommended
19:39.37abrotmanjinzo: you're mixing versions of debian
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19:40.16jinzostew, / abrotman erm how could that happen ?
19:40.23jinzoin my sources list, everywhere I have etch
19:40.25abrotmanjinzo: paste your sources somewhere
19:40.35stewjinzo: you added a testing / unstable at some point, installed some software, then changed it back
19:40.36junix-otherhi i can't boot machine anymore now that I have loaded the ATI drivers on etch
19:40.44salvinhouston
19:40.50salvini have a problem
19:41.01stewsalvin: if you have a question, just ask it
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19:41.20thelostbutlerjunix-other:  boot or just  load X environment ?
19:41.38jinzoabrotman, stew http://pastebin.ca/766272 <-- sources list, I can't remember I would ever do that, but it's troo I didn't set up the box
19:41.42junix-otherits boots....and then doesn't bring up X
19:41.43jinzowhat's a solution ?
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19:41.55stewjinzo: if you run "apt-cache policy libc6 libncurses5" and compare the Installed: versions, to the available versions from http://packages.debian.org/libc6 http://packages.debian.org/libncurses5  you'll see that you have upgraded to testing
19:42.40drbair_wor1on my XFS filesystem, I can watch each and every file pull up the xattr's if I strace 'ls -l'. Listing a directory of a thousand files can take a few minutes. Any thoughts?
19:42.41jinzostew, so basicly unistalling libncurses5 and libc, and reinstalling them will help?
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19:42.59jinzostew, so basicly unistalling libncurses5 and libc, and reinstalling them will help? ( I'll repeat that couse of the flood )
19:43.04stewjinzo: you can't uninstall libc6, its hte most fundamental library on your system  every program written in C depends on it (except the kernel)
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19:43.33thelostbutlerjunix-other:  take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues to the problem
19:43.35stewjinzo: your options are to upgrade fully to testing, reinstall stable from scratch, or do the tedious manual process of downgrading all of your packages to stable
19:43.41salvini installed module nvidia with m-a
19:44.01salvinnvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx
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19:44.17salvinbut don't works
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19:45.19jinzostew, reinstall and upgrading fully to testing isn't an option, as I'm runing as a xen domU, so I get the kernel from the dom0
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19:45.57stew!partial downgrade
19:45.57dpkgThis may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'
19:46.15guillaume1does compiz-fusion may generate bug in other apps running ? It seem that X have some pbs
19:46.16dtoi'm using GNU parted to create a partition table for a new disk. what partition table type should I use? i want to make one big XFS partition
19:46.28GalaxorI have an mt-daapd question:  I have a few mp3 files that just don't end up getting served over my daap.  Rhythmbox's daap server serves them just fine, but mt-daapd doesn't turn them up in its scan.  Does anybody know if there's a way to debug the scan, and have it tell me why it's ignoring certain files?
19:46.36stewjinzo: see what dpkg said.  expect it to take a LONG time.
19:46.39GalaxorOr if there's a better place to ask this question?
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19:47.23stewdto: DOS
19:47.25jinzostew, hmmz just askedi n ##xen, and they say I can have different version
19:47.32beeredI'm having a brain fart and can't remember name of the (I think python based) network mapper that can create charts of the LAN based on traffic. Anybody smart out there knows what I'm talking about? :)
19:47.40stewjinzo: what do you mean?  different version of what?
19:47.47jinzoso upgrading to testing is to change the sources.list and upgrade ( of debian )
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19:48.15stewjinzo: note that running testing on a internet facing server is not a good idea
19:48.18assasukassehi everyone, i tried to build gimp 2.4.1 from unstable on debian etch, but building fails because debhelper can't find a dep..what should i do in this case, i am building in a chroot
19:48.20dtostew: really?
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19:48.33stewassasukasse: backport the dependency first
19:48.40Supaplexjinzo: I lost most of my configs that way. well, it was <downgrade> but still. back it up before you purge :)
19:48.51jinzostew, it's behind 2 firewalls and only 10 ppl have access to it ( and use it )
19:48.51jinzoerm 10 ppl are using services that run on it
19:49.03stewdto: that's what most people use.  that is what the debian installer would install
19:49.04assasukassestew thanks
19:49.18dtostew: ok, thank you :-)
19:49.26dtostew: btw I am hardware blogging all week
19:49.30beeredarghhh... anyone?
19:49.32stewassasukasse: did you check for a backport on backports.org?
19:49.42dtostew: first project pics coming in a few hours
19:50.04beeredit had a monkey-like name...
19:50.30assasukassestew yes but they didnt do..
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19:57.26assasukassestew, only the package libcurl4-tls-dev is not available in stable, but there is libcurl3...should i compile the dep or just try some sort of hack
19:57.39drbair_wor1ls -l's are suddenly taking forever on my XFS partition. I can watch it stop at every file when it tries to pull its extended attributes. Any ideas?
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19:58.10stewassasukasse: you should compile the dependency.  its the soname changed its becuase the libraries are no longer compatible
19:58.19assasukasseok
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19:59.38assasukassethanks stew
19:59.54assasukassebut for now i will do w/o Gnutls support...lets see if it works anyway
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20:04.09dondelelcarostew: it's probably because it's really using libcurl
20:04.44dondelelcarostew: and libcurl4-gnutls-dev is the real dev package, since all curl uses gnutls
20:04.53stewright
20:04.55dondelelcaro(presumably for the help browser et al)
20:04.57bzedstew: does it need kerberos, too - then it's libcurl-tls :)
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20:06.30assasukassenothing, it also needs gtk+ very update
20:06.51assasukassed
20:06.51assasukassethat are not in etch
20:06.58stewassasukasse: well that is natural, especially when you realize what gtk stands for
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20:07.14logyatiis there a way to redirect all traffic going to x.x.x.x:22 to y.y.y.y:22 using iptables? i wanna do this in my desktop... everytime i try to ssh x.x.x.x, it goes to y.y.y.y
20:08.06guillaume1stew: I see that gpsman and gpsdrive use tk8.4 and gnome-panel too. As I have pb with all of them I think all come from tk8.4.
20:09.05jinzobtw: stew the libc6 version says Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2
20:09.05jinzoso it's still an etch thingy :P
20:09.05assasukassestew i wonder if it would even be backported then to etch..
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20:14.33jinzodamn, stew would you be so kind and msg me your last lines ?
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20:14.57_Romik_hi :-)
20:15.20abrotmanjinzo: /lastlog stew
20:15.36_Romik_I just installed vegastrake in debian lenny, but can't find executable files, why?
20:15.56wolsrobink: dpkg -L <package> |grep bin
20:16.07DawnLightseems like the quick brown server jumped over it's head
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20:17.41logyatiis there a way to redirect all traffic going to x.x.x.x:22 to y.y.y.y:22 using iptables? im asking it just for example... i need everytime i try to access an ip from my desktop, it redirects me to another one
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20:17.42jinzoabrotman, I only get your msg
20:18.47neoticlogyati: yes
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20:20.18maddashisn't there some way to get a list of the most recently posted debian bugs?
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20:22.20dondelelcaromaddash: yes
20:22.38logyatiis there a way to redirect all traffic going to x.x.x.x:22 to y.y.y.y:22 using iptables? im asking it just for example... i need everytime i try to access an ip from my desktop, it redirects me to another one
20:22.39stewmaddash: subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-bugs-dist
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20:23.15dondelelcaromaddash: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?newest=10 FE.
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20:26.50HardDisk_WPhi
20:27.18HardDisk_WPhow do I tell scp to check if a file already exists, and if the file exist, it shall look for the size, and if the size isnt the same, it shall copy the file?
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20:27.38petemcuse rsync
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20:27.41HardDisk_WPi had a scp copy interrupted at 1,2G of 2G and I dont want to copy the first 1.2G
20:27.51HardDisk_WPpetemc, nothing easier? :(
20:27.53petemcrsync with the partial option
20:27.57picard_pwns_kirkhow do I upgrade from Etch to Sid?
20:28.04petemcHardDisk_WP: rsync isnt hard
20:28.25HardDisk_WPdon't i need to configure a daemon etc. first?
20:28.27DawnLight!upgrade sid
20:28.33maddashdondelelcaro: thanks
20:28.40DawnLight!sid upgrade
20:28.41dpkgRepeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead.
20:28.42petemcHardDisk_WP: no, just install it, it uses ssh by default
20:28.53HardDisk_WPokay...
20:29.04DawnLightpicard_pwns_kirk: dpkg ^
20:29.05picard_pwns_kirkI miss the Ubuntu alphas, and I like living on the edge
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20:29.10HardDisk_WPpicard_pwns_kirk, you want to upgrade to testing, in no case to sid
20:29.12mot_question guys
20:29.15mot_when i run apt-get update
20:29.24mot_i keep getting my mirror url
20:29.25DawnLightpicard_pwns_kirk: try testing
20:29.27picard_pwns_kirkk
20:29.31mot_followed by "error 302 found"
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20:29.39mot_and i can't apt-get or apt-get update...any ideas?
20:29.52HardDisk_WPmot_, you use OpenDNS?
20:29.58mot_no
20:30.09HardDisk_WPpaste ONE line please
20:30.11HardDisk_WPof this error
20:30.17NyleI had a funny one
20:30.22Nyle!dnuts
20:30.22dpkgmethinks dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq>
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20:31.55picard_pwns_kirk!upgrade lenny
20:34.24DawnLighti have two openssh servers running in one address at different ports and i'm getting these messages "RSA host key for blah.blah.org has changed and you have requested strict checking." what is this?
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20:35.41Ranpha1How can i switch my network card to half or full duplex? Ihave a gigiabit network and debian etch with speeds of 54mbit
20:35.59Zippy2uh
20:36.18jkitchenRanpha1: shut your wireless card off? :P
20:36.28Zippy2ethtool
20:36.29Ranpha1jkitchen which ? .....
20:36.54picard_pwns_kirkokay, how would I go about upgrading to the unstable?
20:37.01picard_pwns_kirks/unstable/tesing
20:37.05Ranpha1jkitchen funny he , got the same problem yesterday with lenny, got back to etch and speeds is more down now....my internet download is even faster
20:37.10jkitchenpicard_pwns_kirk: topic!
20:37.11picard_pwns_kirks/tesing/testing
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20:37.28picard_pwns_kirksorry
20:37.32picard_pwns_kirkI'm a n00b
20:37.39aliljethad to make sure I was in #debian before I transition my remote fc6 server to debian etch =)
20:37.41jkitchenRanpha1: your connection to the internet is fast enough that your lan is the lmiting factor?
20:37.44Zippy2picard_pwns_kirk: s/unstable/testing/g'
20:37.53Zippy2's/    in /etc/apt/sources.list
20:38.00Zippy2or whichever you want
20:38.04Ranpha1jkitchen yup and it's a new gigabit network with r8169 chipsets
20:38.14Ranpha1jkitchen banging my head here
20:38.16jkitchenRanpha1: wtf kind of internet connection do you have?
20:38.30jkitchenand where do I sign up
20:38.42Ranpha1jkitchen normal 6mbit connection but when i transfer speeds on the lan the speed is 700KB/s
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20:38.51jkitchenoh i see
20:40.12jkitchenyou said 'internet' there, so i thought you meant 'internet'
20:40.12Supaplexthe r8169 is lousy
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20:40.21Ranpha1Supaplex i know that but 54 mbit!!!
20:40.25Zippy2jkdsoft: Internet
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20:40.26Supaplexuse an 8139C+ before r8169 comon :P
20:40.26Ranpha1Supaplex it's on the mainboard
20:40.26Supaplexouch
20:40.26Ranpha1Supaplex but it has to be a little faster then 100mbit right???
20:40.26Supaplexnow I get why so many are all over this problem.
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20:40.58simonrvn"flies to shit" comes to mind ;p
20:41.19Supaplex!simonrvn++
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20:42.24Supaplex!diminishing returns
20:42.24dpkgdiminishing returns is, like, where you spend more money/time/resources to get LESS in return.  What's your cost worth?
20:42.28SupaplexRanpha1: it's like buying a gigabit adapter for pccard expecting it to outperform 100mbit. pccard can only pump out 54mbit.
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20:42.59Supaplexsure, the link heartbeat etc is up to speed, but you want throughoutput.
20:43.11Ranpha1supaplex but these are the same mainboard, same OS running the smae chipset ....
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20:43.17_Romik_why I did't found vegastrike in debian lenny (data and music have only)
20:43.21_Romik_?
20:43.52SupaplexRanpha1: I know. it's an illustration. what's the best that networking device had performed for you under any circumstance?
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20:44.03Zippy2where do i download lame in lenny?
20:44.08dondelelcaro!tell _Romik_ -about why vegastrike is not in testing
20:44.40Zippy2?
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20:44.57Supaplex!+info lame lenny
20:44.59dpkgUpdating debian files... please wait.
20:45.02Ranpha1Supaplex ...but my 100mbit (same mainboard ) was faster than this ....even lenny was slow
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20:45.09xdashould i run vmware as root?
20:45.17dpkgPackage 'lame' does not exist.
20:45.18Zippy2xda: try runing without root first to find out
20:45.34_Romik_thanks
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20:45.34froldAnyone have tested dimdim?
20:46.00SpeedyGfrold: I bet someone has
20:46.04SupaplexRanpha1: you're not the first to complain about how lousy r8169 is.
20:46.22philthI have a removable drive which is often moved between two linux machines where the username - uid mappings are different, is there a way to force the same user to ownt eh entire drive?
20:46.30philthor perhaps a better Filesystem?
20:46.35Ranpha1Supaplex yeah but comeon 54 mbit ....
20:47.11xinguRanpha1: what is your delay, as measured using ping between source and sink?
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20:47.42Ranpha1xingu ping 0.9ms
20:48.03Ranpha1how can you change to half duplex btw?
20:48.37SpeedyGRanpha1: I did that using ethtools
20:48.40petshi, im using debian etch (stable) on my HP NX6110  , what i should look for to use my wirelesse internet connection that i have
20:48.50SupaplexRanpha1: it's only pushing 54mbit?
20:49.04Ranpha1Supaplex yup iperf gave that result
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20:49.16Ranpha1Supaplex with lenny it was 500mbit under etch 54 mbit
20:49.25Ranpha1SpeedyG how can't figur it out
20:49.26SupaplexohhHHhh.. I get it now.
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20:50.39SupaplexRanpha1: try a newer kernel?
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20:50.40YggdrasilHello,
20:50.40Supaplexhi Yggdrasil :)
20:50.40Yggdrasilis ther ea cli cmd to list all users on a box ?
20:50.40Yggdrasilsupaplex howdy
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20:51.05SupaplexYggdrasil: w, who
20:51.05gdfHow do I boot off a Debian CD for maintenance purposes
20:51.13gdfi.e to mount my root filesystem and dig around it
20:51.13Ranpha1Supaplex yeah but the transfer speed was like 100mbit than 1000mbit so i saw that kernel higher than 2.6.19 had this problem so changed back to 2.6.18 but it's slower now..way to slow
20:51.13Supaplex!tell gdf -about rescue
20:51.13Yggdrasilall users that have accounts on a box, not whos is logged in
20:51.13wolspets: what WLAN chip is it?
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20:51.13stewmot_: what is the correct url?
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20:51.13mot_i can't copy and paste
20:51.13brotakkuhttp://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html where can I get vmlinux initrd.gz and syslinux.cfg from?
20:51.14mot_*sigh* too lazy to type it out
20:51.14brotakkuit says from the debian archive
20:51.20nkuttlergdf: use F1 when it boots, it's described somewhere
20:51.20brotakkubut WHERE exactly there?
20:51.28mot_http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
20:51.31mot_it definitely exists
20:51.34SpeedyGRanpha1: ethtools -i ethX --change duplex half(or full) (where the X in ethX is your networkcard ?)
20:51.38mot_i followed the path
20:51.57gdfafter a apt-get dist-upgrade I get a Being: waiting for root file system
20:51.59mot_it's the exact same sources.list on several other debian vmware hosts
20:52.06gdfthe box hangs for a couple minutes and then drops into a busybox
20:52.06mot_and they all work fine.
20:52.10gdfpossible fix folks?
20:52.17gdfThis is a production machine I need to get going as soon as possible...
20:52.26mot_use an older kernel.
20:52.31Ranpha1SpeedyG won't work
20:52.35mot_:) i've had that problem trying to use newer kernels.
20:52.38SkaagI have a Debian 4.0 box that hangs on this line while it boots:
20:52.41SkaagStarting boot logger: bootlogd[81327.362074] Adding 2097144k swap on /dev/sda2.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:2097144k
20:52.44SpeedyGRanpha1: why
20:52.46Ranpha1SpeedyG bad command
20:52.53SpeedyGyou should install it first ;)
20:52.55wolsgdf: what kernel did you have before and what one now?
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20:53.02gdfmot: tried that, woldnt work.
20:53.04\amethystmot_:  At least one of the mirrors is being slow
20:53.11gdfwols: i think .25
20:53.19gdfI dont remember dude, I would have to go down and find out
20:53.20wolsgdf: there is no 2.6.25
20:53.31gdfI tried to boot the old kernel from GRUB and it wouldnt work
20:53.34SkaagI tried remaking the swap area but that's not it
20:53.35\amethystmot_:  mirrors.kernel.org has two addresses in round-robin DNS
20:53.39gdfany suggestions?
20:53.47SpeedyGRanpha1: you should install it first ;)
20:53.49wolsgdf: yes. tell us the kernel versions involved
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20:53.54gdfok hold up
20:54.08Ranpha1SpeedyG it is installed but the command is not right
20:54.11SupaplexRanpha1: I think someone said this, but double check your speed and duplex settings on the switches/network pathways to the other dest.
20:54.14DawnLightSkaag: did you check your HDD?
20:54.31\amethystmot_:  it looks like .39 is working fine, but .7 is being very slow to connect... the connection is happening eventually
20:54.59Ranpha1Supaplex well everthing is 1000mbit but i had a problem with that duplex stuff i want to try half duplex but i don't know how anymore
20:55.21HardDisk_WPpetemc, ping
20:56.27\amethystRanpha1:  mii-tool -F 100baseTx-HD eth0
20:56.43petemcHardDisk_WP: hi
20:57.14HardDisk_WPpetemc, d'you know how to specify for rsync ssh user and password?
20:57.15Ranpha1\amethyst wasn't mii-tool outdated?? i'm using ethtool
20:57.22stewmot_: which ip address for mirrors.kernel.org is it using?
20:57.22mot_how would i know? it retrieves by hostname
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20:57.22stewgdf: rebuild the initrd woth "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version" where $version is the string that matches the directory name in /lib/modules for that kernel
20:57.22mot_nm i fixed it
20:57.22mot_in /etc/network/interfaces
20:57.22stewmot_: what was the fix?
20:57.22mot_i had dhcp instead of static
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20:57.25SpeedyGRanpha1: my bad, it should be ' ethtool --change ethX duplex full '
20:57.29petemcHardDisk_WP: user@host
20:57.33HardDisk_WPok
20:57.37SpeedyGRanpha1: without the '' ofcours :)
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20:58.13HardDisk_WPhow do I control overwriting stuff?
20:58.13\amethystRanpha1:  oh, right... ethtool -s eth0 duplex half
20:58.13HardDisk_WPit shall overwrite only stuff where size is wrong
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20:59.04SkaagDawnLight: an fsck shows it's clean
20:59.20Ranpha1SpeedyG testing now a second
20:59.36DawnLightSkaag: i'd try a surface scan
20:59.43acuI have a toshiba pocket PC can I transfer files from debian to the device ?
21:00.01brotakkuhttp://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html where can I get vmlinux initrd.gz and syslinux.cfg from?
21:00.11brotakkuit says the debian archive
21:00.14brotakkubut what/where is it?
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21:00.21SkaagDawnLight: I'm forcing a check now (to ignore the clean flag)
21:00.26Ranpha1SpeedyG lol half gives me 9mbit
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21:00.45\amethystHardDisk_WP:  you want rsync to ignore the date and only use the file size to determine whether files are different?
21:00.57HardDisk_WPyepp
21:01.08HardDisk_WPI have on PC1 /usr/local/games/gta.vc
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21:01.22HardDisk_WPon PC2 there is a incomplete copy of it at the same location
21:01.33nkuttler<PROTECTED>
21:01.35HardDisk_WPand I want to complete the incomplete copy on PC2
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21:01.45DawnLightSkaag: i don't know fsck. can it do surface scans?
21:01.56mike1ois there a way to convert msdos 8 character filenames into normal linux files?
21:02.18abrotmanmike1o: you can leave the 8.3 file names .. it won't hurt anything
21:02.22junix-otheri am having more trouble with Debian 4.0 now, I have a Dell Optiplex 745 with a ATI Radeon 2400 Pro, brand new install, its sitting at Detecting Hadrware...
21:02.34SkaagDawnLight: it's a virtual disk (it's a file), i'm sure the surface is ok
21:02.54stewHardDisk_WP: --size-only
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21:03.35solanaceoHi folks,.. do you know of any how-to for PPP Dial-in server with mgetty in etch/lenny? The most i found was for woody...so.. i am following a mixture of different how-to's focused to other distros (leaf, redhat...), but i would really like a debian one (and possibly, updated)
21:03.38HardDisk_WPstew, so then commandline would be "rsync -r --size-only marco@192.168.0.102:/usr/local/games/gta.vc ."?
21:03.38DawnLight!love aliljet
21:03.38Ranpha1Guys my giabit network (r8169 chip) is running at 8mbit ....help
21:03.55HardDisk_WPsolanaceo, i didnt found anything for that also...
21:04.26solanaceoHardDisk_WP, so what?? trial and error w/ headaches?
21:04.27HardDisk_WPRanpha1, cable broken/bad quality/only four of the 8 pins connected?
21:04.41DawnLightRanpha1: ^ good idea
21:04.47stewHardDisk_WP: gta.vc is a file or directory?
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21:05.01maddashrofl http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=450656
21:05.05stewHardDisk_WP: oh, that's grand theft auto?
21:05.07petshow can i make sure that my Wireless internet reciver i turned on ? lspci shows me that i ihave Intel Wireless Pro 2200 installed what should be correct
21:05.08ameyerperhaps whatever's sending data can only do 8 mbps
21:05.15Ranpha1HardDisk_WP nope cable is new , switch is 1000mbit
21:05.43xinguRanpha1: downclock to 100-base full-duplex
21:05.47HardDisk_WPstew, yes, it's GTA, and it's a directory
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21:06.07Ranpha1xingu yeah nice...spend 60 euro on a switch
21:06.10HardDisk_WPRanpha1, checked your LAN wiring at the patchpanel?
21:06.16DawnLightwhat funny maddash?
21:06.36Ranpha1HardDisk_WP on lenny i did 4MiB/s ...and dropping now...
21:06.43HardDisk_WPI had same problem, and i found out I only wired 4 of the 8 wires which locked me on 100mbit
21:06.53HardDisk_WPRanpha1, machine2machine or machine2internet??
21:07.00bizare there any alternatives to jtv and tvbrowser (both java based) EPGs (tv program guides)?
21:07.11HardDisk_WPbiz, nxtvepg
21:07.13Ranpha1HardDisk_WP machine to machine
21:07.20SkaagDawnLight: yes it has a -c option
21:07.31HardDisk_WPRanpha1, fragmented disk, general CPU load on one of them?
21:07.31Ranpha1HardDisk_WP my giabit network is giving my 8mbit ......
21:07.35bizHardDisk_WP: are there debian packages available?
21:07.42Ranpha1HardDisk_WP new installed OS
21:07.44HardDisk_WPbiz, yepp, should be
21:07.50HardDisk_WPRanpha1, on both?
21:07.50bizHardDisk_WP: thanks..
21:07.58nkuttlerpets: iwconfig probably
21:08.00HardDisk_WPbiz, it works only with a TV card
21:08.07Ranpha1anyway i'm going to bed ..otherwise the speed is dropping below 6mbit and that's internet
21:08.12Ranpha1cya
21:08.14HardDisk_WPcya
21:08.23bizHardDisk_WP: oh... damn. no alternative?
21:08.38HardDisk_WPbiz, you can use internet based services
21:08.47HardDisk_WPI never dealt with such things
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21:09.30ameyerI know he's gone, but transferring stuff between my desktop and laptop over ssh on my 100 mbps lan only does 30-40 mbps, seems to be a disk issue
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21:09.46ameyer(my laptop's ancient slow hard drive I mean)
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21:10.05SpeedyGameyer: mbps or MB/s ?
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21:11.30ameyerbits
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21:11.41SpeedyGhm, thats like 3MB/s
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21:11.52SpeedyGI transfer at max of 40MB/s on my gbit network
21:12.30ameyer4-5ish actually
21:12.30SpeedyGbut thats also a disk-issue
21:12.30gdfthe kernel version is 2.6.18-5
21:12.30gdf2.6.18-4 the old one
21:12.30neotic40MB/S = 320Mbit
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21:12.31gdfI get a Begin: waiting for root file system upon boot
21:12.38gdfany help on this matter will be truly appreciated.
21:12.45ameyeryou have to relize, we're talking about a 6 GB ATA/33 (I think) laptop HD on one end
21:13.05ameyerI'd be surprised if it was even 5400 RPM
21:13.06stewgdf: does one kernel boot and the other not?  or does neither kernel boot?
21:13.17SpeedyGameyer: when you said 'ancient slow hard drive' I was guessing something like that :) and those are usually 4200 or slower ;)
21:13.26gdfneither kernel boot dude
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21:14.41DawnLightis there a GUI for debian that is similar to the windows 'network connections' thing?
21:14.43stewgdf: boot a rescue cd / install cd / live cd.  mount your root partition in /target, mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; chroot /target ; mount -a ; mount /proc ; mount /sys ; dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 ; exit ; reboot
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21:15.01\amethystDawnLight:  network-manager maybe
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21:15.07stewDawnLight: network-manager, which has a nm-applet for gnome or knetworkmanager (i think) for kde
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21:15.34DawnLightthanks
21:15.48\amethystDawnLight:  packages network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde for the applets
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21:16.22chris_goewhen accessing a cvs pserver: how do I authenticate against PAM, but still let the cvs pserver process run as the "cvs:cvs" user
21:16.36chris_goeis sth. like *:*:cvs in CVSROOT/passwd possible?
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21:16.42gdfmount -a did not work...
21:16.44chris_goeso I don't have to maintain CVSROOT/passwd but still don't have to bother with different uids across the repo
21:17.42blank_realplay
21:17.52blank_ooops sorry about that
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21:19.00th0rv4ldI'm having trouble with amaroK. Anyone around?
21:19.15neoticyea, switch to something good
21:19.55th0rv4ldOther than that?
21:20.04th0rv4ldIt's not building a collection database.
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21:20.08\amethystchris_goe:  does DefaultPamUser=cvs  do what you want?
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21:20.15th0rv4ldI'm using Debian Etch.
21:20.16SupaplexI'm am distinctly not a round. I'm human!
21:20.45chris_goe\amethyst: will check....
21:20.49th0rv4ldI installed the SQLite packages.
21:20.53wwwnickhi, how i can do mirror raid with netinstall boot cd ?
21:21.02th0rv4ldBut I have no idea how to do it.
21:22.30chris_goe\amethyst: no, the cvs process is still running as $user
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21:22.57\amethystchris_goe:  hrm
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21:24.31dtoi tried to "apt-get install mdadm", but answered the configuration questions wrong. now I can't seem to get it to ask me the questions again (even with dpkg-reconfigure, or even when i remove the package and reinstall it.)
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21:25.36dtoah. apt-get --purge remove mdadm
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21:25.39abrotmandto: dpkg-reconfigure -plow mdadm
21:25.41chris_goethe cvs process is spawned by xinetd and (because of user=root in xinetd.conf) then running as the authenticated user. so I guess it "should" not be a permission/capabilities problem
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21:26.44aridese<PROTECTED>
21:26.46DawnLighti have two openssh servers running in one address at different ports and i'm getting these messages "RSA host key for blah.blah.org has changed and you have requested strict checking." what is this?
21:27.14DawnLightaridese: did you try purging and installing it again?
21:27.36stewaridese: /msg dpkg confmiss
21:27.47montoyaapt-get upgrade... 0 packages to upgrade! why???
21:27.59chris_goeDawnLight: your ssh server has 2 different hostkeys (one on each port)
21:28.12stewmontoya: becuase the machine that accepts new uploaded packages has been down for days
21:28.18chris_goetry to use the same hostkey for both instances.
21:28.18junix-otheri am having more trouble with Debian 4.0 now, I have a Dell Optiplex 745 with a ATI Radeon 2400 Pro, brand new install, its sitting at Detecting Hadrware...
21:28.32chris_goeor use different (DNS-)names
21:28.32DawnLightchris_goe: well, they are two servers behind the NAT router
21:28.53dtonice. my external usb XFS RAID array works!
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21:29.03montoyastew: days??? but are more days :(
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21:29.31aridesestew, thanks -- what about getting apt-get to overwrite a file that's already there?
21:29.41stewaridese: instead of confmiss, use confnew
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21:29.47chris_goeDawnLight: same thing, but different to tackle, i guess.
21:29.47aridesethanks
21:29.51stewmontoya: yes, it has been down for days.
21:30.01montoya:(
21:30.10DawnLightchris_goe: but why would they be different? i've used ssh-copy-id to put the keys there. the only part which is different is the local hostname
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21:30.47chris_goebut each machine has it's own key, don't they?
21:31.30DawnLightchris_goe: it's own key? why? isn't it my id_rsa.pub we're talking about? i have one of that
21:32.36chris_goeDawnLight: I'm talking about /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*key
21:33.07stewDawnLight: its talking about /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub on the server, which you are using to identify it is the same server you talked to (to try to ensure that nobody is trying to intercept traffic as a "man in the middle")
21:33.14chris_goewhen the client connects, it check if the host key is still the same (checks against ~/.ssh/known_hosts)
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21:33.40chris_goestew: I'm not a "it" ;)
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21:34.35DawnLighti didn't know there was such a mechanism. so how would i explain to my client that i have two servers in the same address?
21:36.00chris_goeDawnLight: try to use a different dns name for the same box
21:37.09chris_goee.g. yourbox.com:22 will be yourbox1.com:22 and yourbox.com:1222 will be yourbox2.com:1222
21:37.11DawnLighthmm... will aliasing it locally be enough?
21:37.24stewDawnLight: yes
21:37.28chris_goethen play around with CheckHostIP and HostKeyAlias
21:37.36gdfdude
21:37.38gdfthat did not fix it
21:37.53DawnLightthanks a bunch
21:37.54gdfstew i did that, did not work
21:37.55gdfsame error
21:38.06stewgdf: dpkg-reconfigure ran successfully?
21:38.10DawnLighti'd blame stew
21:38.16gdfstew: yeah
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21:38.40stewgdf: are you sure the root=/dev/whatever you are passing to your kernel is for the correct device?
21:38.45gdfshould i clean /boot and apt-get the kernel again?
21:38.49gdfstew: yes, positive
21:39.16stewgdf: did it build the initrd with initramfs-tools or yaird?
21:39.25stewgdf: whichever it used, i'd recommend trying the other
21:40.09gdfstew: initramfs-tool
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21:40.29gdfstew: tell me which way to go from here... dpkg-reconfigure ran successfully but wouldnt fix it.
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21:41.24gdfwhat do you suggest?
21:41.29stewgdf: try "aptitude install initramfs-tools- yaird" then dpkg-reconfigure again
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21:41.57gdfok thanks, ill let ya know in a bit.
21:41.58gdfbrb
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21:43.21DawnLightcan i locally alias a dns name to another dns name, and not an ip address?
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21:44.15Internat3yeah im pretty sure u cant do name to name
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21:44.46DawnLightwhen there's a will...
21:45.35OlaXI seek some advice: I have a 320G sata drive that is going bad (making a noise, no data loss yet).  It is half of a 2 drive 640G raid0. I have 510G of data on the raid.  The replacement drives I have been given are 4 250G drives.  The problem: there are only 4 sata ports on the machine.  Does anyone have a good strategy for migrating the data?
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21:46.43DawnLighti don't think there's a good one. hehehe
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21:47.04stewOlaX: one would sincerely hope that if you are storing that much data in RAID0 that you have a backup you can restore from (especially if a drive is failing)
21:47.14wwwnickOlaX: buy one 320G :)
21:48.18DawnLighttransfer it over ethernet, perhaps
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21:50.20themill!tell SexyKenSP about root
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21:50.36junix-otheri am having more trouble with Debian 4.0 now, I have a Dell Optiplex 745 with a ATI Radeon 2400 Pro, brand new install, its sitting at Detecting Hadrware..., now i think its stuck at starting X
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21:52.10train`junix-other, try passing noapic acpi=off  to kernel while booting
21:52.14train`see if it helps
21:52.15grendal_primedid you start it without acpi
21:52.25grendal_primethat should do it junix-other
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21:54.13iclubVen a ver mexicanos muy chidos y a ver cual de ellos será el más popular. Tal vez seas tú? ven a ver www.iclub.com.mx
21:54.25Ched!pkg
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21:54.55junix-othertrain`, thanks
21:55.12junix-othertrain`, how do i do that?
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21:55.47train`hm :) while you are on grub booting screen
21:55.59train`press 'e'
21:56.02junix-otherhow do i save the line tho??
21:56.21junix-otherdo i need to add it to the end of a specific line??
21:56.28train`yes
21:56.33train`the kernel line
21:56.37junix-otherok
21:56.48train`kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-686 root=/dev/mapper/vg01-root ro noapic acpi=off
21:56.49DawnLightjunix-other: look for kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst
21:56.54\amethystchris_goe:  Looking at the source... it seems that DefaultPamUser is only used if the user was authenticated, but isn't a user on this machine
21:56.56train`then you press 'b'
21:57.12train`if it boots okay, then you should stick it in menu.lst
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21:57.28junix-othertrain`, ok try now
21:57.31junix-otherthanks
21:57.35train`np
21:57.52\amethystchris_goe:  I wonder if you could do something by using DefaultPamUser, letting the auth succeed in the pam rules, but making the account rule fail?  I'm not sure
21:58.28junix-otherit worked on the intial install i did
21:58.39\amethystchris_goe:  or you can patch the source and make your own version that always uses DefaultPamUser
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21:59.23junix-othertrain`, it takes forever to boot
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22:00.01train`junix-other, well, try only with acpi=off , remove noapic
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22:00.25train`if it doesn't work ... try with some newer/older kernel version
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22:00.48train`if you tweaked your BIOS settings, try to reset them, and start over
22:02.04junix-otherit sits at Detecing Hardware...
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22:02.10junix-othernot sure why
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22:02.51train`do you have some USB stuff, or floppy attached? remove it if so, maybe thats why it takes so long
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22:03.11junix-otheri have a USB to PS/2 converter for my KVM
22:03.36train`I have some trouble in the past with X and KVM switches :)
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22:04.11junix-otherlovely
22:04.25fastaWhy does aptitude -r dist-upgrade ignore the -r option?
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22:07.49RyushinCan someone tell me if SAS and SATA have the same connectors on the back of the drives?
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22:08.21RyushinI have disk trays that are made for SATA drives, and I need to upgrade to SAS.
22:08.37aliljethey, i'm making a transition to debian from a fc5 box... is there an easy way to tell if the box supports SMP (whether or not I should install an SMP kernel, that is)
22:08.53Ryushincat /proc/cpuinfo
22:08.56dondelelcaroaliljet: all of the modern kernels do, but cat /proc/cpuinfo; will tell you
22:08.57aliljetcool
22:08.59Ryushinhow many procs show up.
22:09.24aliljetTI UltraSparc IIIi (Jalapeno)
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22:09.33aliljetwhoa, i didn't even realize it was a sun box.. hmm
22:09.45aliljetCPU0:           online
22:09.45aliljetCPU1:           online
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22:11.19aliljetsparc64-smp =(
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22:12.44aliljetshit, i was ssh'd into another box, whoops
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22:13.23Ryushinaliljet:  Debian runs on sparc too.  :)
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22:13.54aliljetyeah, but I was wondering why the box was using sparc when I was sure it was an i386 box =)
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22:17.34lontrais there a way to make edit the setting of Qt apps in GNOME w/o kcontrol installed?  i.e. i want to make my fonts smaller
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22:19.13gdfdude
22:19.16gdfthere are no files in /sys
22:19.41gdfwhat could i do
22:20.00fastaPull the plug?
22:20.07w0nderlol
22:20.16gdfseriously bro, some co worked broke it and rmed the thing.
22:20.19gdfi have a /sys, no files inside.
22:20.21themilllontra: you could try editing ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
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22:20.53olritype mount -> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
22:21.14Jyzygzel-how do i change the BG color of xterm?
22:21.16Jyzygzel-the default
22:21.19gdfolri: what?
22:21.45olriis it mounted ? type mount and see
22:21.50themilllontra: you need to tell the apps about the change, running kbuildsycoca might do that
22:21.51Gm4nI just apt-get installed ntp ntp-server ntp-simple, but ntpq -p reports "Name or service not known"... what does this mean, and how do I try and fix it?
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22:21.56gdfolri: no
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22:23.45Jyzygzel-How do i change the default BG Color of xterm?
22:24.40gdfwhat should i type
22:24.51gdfI get a Begin: Waiting for root file system when I boot
22:25.09gdfI already booted off a debian CD through rescue, then mounted everything and dpkg-reconfigure
22:25.12gdfnothng worked...
22:25.20train`Jyzygzel-, try with xterm --help, look for color, it's easy
22:26.05stewgdf: "mount /sys" if there are no files in /sys
22:26.16bzedgdf: which disks are you using, on which ocntroller?
22:26.44olrigdf: mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys  -onodev,noexec,nosuid
22:26.56olrigdf: without entry in  /etc/fstab
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22:27.19Jyzygzel-can you somehow search environment variables?
22:27.27Jyzygzel-liek what variables there is
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22:27.46train`Jyzygzel-,  try with `env'
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22:27.52olriJyzygzel-: xterm -bg green :-)
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22:30.12junix-othertrain`, ist stuck on loading X
22:30.17junix-otheri think
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22:31.07train`junix-other, if it boots faster, but it's stuck on loading X only, try with vesa driver, just for the test
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22:32.00junix-otheri can't even get that far....
22:32.03infinity0uh... is there a way i can request a piece of free software to be debianised, and if not, how do i create one?
22:32.12junix-otheri wonder if it has somethign to do with 4.0
22:32.20stewinfinity0: /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg maint-guide
22:32.23Jyzygzel-so hey
22:32.33infinity0ah ty stew
22:32.33Jyzygzel-how do i set that by default the xterm is black?
22:32.43Jyzygzel-so when system executes: xterm
22:32.45Jyzygzel-its black
22:32.58Jyzygzel-cause i hate when Wmii gives me those white terminals
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22:33.15dkrJyzygzel-: edit ~/.Xresources  and add XTerm*background: Black
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22:33.54dkrand you prob want to change XTerm*foreground  too :) unless you can read black on black. :)
22:34.58dkrxrdb -merge ~/.Xresources   to update the changes in current server
22:35.00Jyzygzel-didnt work
22:35.05Jyzygzel-still white
22:35.20Jyzygzel-ohh
22:35.32RoninJyzygzel-: search google? man xterm? cant recall how i did it when i ran xterm
22:35.33dkrit's usually just read when X starts up
22:35.46Jyzygzel-can xterm have a scrollbar?
22:36.08dkrJyzygzel-: yes, an ugly one
22:36.21Jyzygzel-well can i change my system default consoler?
22:36.33Jyzygzel-i wanna use pterm
22:36.40dkrof course, you can use whatever you want
22:37.00dkrdon't know what you mean by default, you just run whatever term you want
22:37.04Jyzygzel-how do i change it
22:37.14Jyzygzel-well wmii starts xterm by default
22:37.20Jyzygzel-with alt+enter
22:37.24dkrso tell it to start something else :)
22:37.26stewJyzygzel-: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
22:38.10Jyzygzel-:D
22:38.34stewJyzygzel-: or you can configure plugin_config["standard"]["x-terminal-emulator"] in wmiirc
22:38.44dkrnever knew about that, oh, heh mine is set to gnome-terminal.wrapper  but I've never used gnome-terminal.  heh
22:39.10Jyzygzel-what is the best console by the way?
22:39.17dkrno such thing
22:39.23Jyzygzel-if we don't count the heavy ones
22:39.24RoninJyzygzel-: subjective
22:39.31Roninone persons best is anothers junk
22:39.53dkrI still use xterm,  I don't need scrollbars or tabs or transparent backgrounds. :)
22:40.16Jyzygzel-well scrollbar is a must have
22:40.20stewJyzygzel-: if you want something less heavy than xterm try urxvt
22:40.27Roninpersonally im using aterm, eterm and gnome-terminal sometimes
22:40.34dkri can still scroll, I just use mousewheel or pageup/pagedwn
22:40.49Ronindkr: exactly
22:41.01Jyzygzel-lol how did you manage to get that working
22:41.12Jyzygzel-Pg Dw and Up just make some weird chars
22:41.18Roninits the term your using
22:41.39stewrmaj: /msg dpkg bts
22:41.42Jyzygzel-i hate that they don't sceoll the buffer
22:41.53stewJyzygzel-: use shift-pgup
22:42.04Jyzygzel-?? :D
22:42.05Jyzygzel-it works
22:42.08rmajstew: by broken I mean that it takes a minute (on 1 GHz) to open history of a contact (O_o)
22:42.10dkrjysby default shift-pageup/down are for scrolling.  but I reassinged to work without shift in my .Xresources file, and other nifty stuff like making insert key paste :)
22:42.16dkrer, Jyzygzel-
22:42.24stewrmaj: by bts i mean http://bugs.debian.org/kopete
22:42.28Jyzygzel-how do you do this
22:42.40Jyzygzel-i want also insert to paste!
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22:43.09dkrI'll use pastebot with my .Xresources for it
22:43.16themillrmaj: where is this chat history? (and are you using etch or lenny/sid?)
22:43.21rmajstew: noone reported it
22:43.31Jyzygzel-dkr ok, but only if you only use console to paste it
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22:43.42rmajthemill: lenny, when I right click on contact, I think you hae to enable a plugin first
22:43.45Jyzygzel-:-S
22:43.48edistarhow do I change the system timezone?
22:44.01stewedistar: tzconfig
22:44.12edistarstew: doesn
22:44.15dkrJyzygzel-: http://paste.debian.net/41861
22:44.21edistar't seem to be on my system
22:44.30stewedistar: what version of debian are you running?
22:44.32Jyzygzel-dkr did you use netcat to paste it? :-D
22:44.39edistarstew: lenny
22:45.03dkrJyzygzel-: telnet and I manually typed the HTTP POST
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22:45.22Jyzygzel-good good
22:45.22stewedistar: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
22:45.31edistarstew, ok thanks
22:45.52Jyzygzel-i mean to be truely pro you have to make the http header in echo ""
22:46.09edistarstew: works, brilliant :)
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22:49.37stewrmaj: do you have the most recent version of kopete?  you said it was "ancient" however the version in lenny is only a few months old
22:51.08edistarhow do I see the temperature of my pc/pcu/gpu etc? somewhere in proc?
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22:51.18themillrmaj: thanks for that... it actually does exist in etch too, but if you've upgraded from sarge then it's broken until you disable and then reenable the plugin it seems. I'd forgotten it was there...
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22:52.20stewedistar: modprobe thermal ; then look around /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ; or install acpi and run "acpi -V"
22:52.34soup_how do you setup compiz when you are using metacity and gnome?
22:52.43stewedistar: if you don't get information from acpi there are other possibilities
22:52.56abrotmansoup_: compiz replaces metacity AFAIK
22:53.17soup_hrm
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22:53.53edistarstew: I only see Thermal 1, do you think thats the only sensor in this laptop?
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22:54.06soup_abrotman: do you remember how to change the window manager if you are using gdm/gnome?
22:54.48stewedistar: possibly.  have a look around the urls in "/msg dpkg laptop"
22:54.58edistarok, thx
22:55.05toetanyone from the uk?
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22:55.15abrotmansoup_: eh .. compiz --replace? maybe
22:55.16abrotman!compiz
22:55.16dpkgcompiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server..  Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
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22:55.50stewtoet: lots of people.
22:56.00Ronintoet: and lots arent
22:56.06toethows the weather? as bad as brittish weather experts say? lol
22:56.14stewtoet: wrong channel
22:56.34toetillegal to chat here instead of needing support?
22:56.50abrotmanthis is a support channel .. if you want general chat .. try #defocus
22:57.02Ronintoet: theres other channesl for that
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22:57.22gdfstew
22:57.30gdfyaird made the thing, it works perfectly NOW!!!!
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22:57.41gdfThank you a lot, now what does not work are the modules, for example modprobe eth0 does not work
22:57.46gdfmy card does not get detected...
22:57.53stewgdf: what card is it?
22:58.01LoWang77does anyone know where I can get pine for amd64
22:58.03gdfstew: I dont know, used to work as eth0
22:58.11gdfi never took the time to find out which card was it, an integrated intel i think
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22:58.48gdfshould i dpkg -i a new kernel-image?
22:58.52soup_abortman: thx ill look at that page
22:59.00stewgdf: what does "lspci -n | grep 0200" say in the 3rd column? probably something like "8086:2028"
22:59.14stewgdf: no, you don't need a new kernel, you just need to load a driver.
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23:00.33gdfi cannot tell off hand, give me a sec and ill figure it out...
23:00.47gdfwhy the modules are not loading tho?
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23:00.56gdfthey used to work before i went and ran dpkg-recnfigure yaird...
23:01.29stewgdf: if it is intel, you could try "modprobe e1000" and/or "modprobe e100"
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23:01.49stewgdf: your card might also be eth2 now not eth1 (see if "ifconfig -a" lists eth1,eth2)
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23:03.00gdfstew: ill be back in a second, dont go anywhere please
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23:04.10stewbut i have to pee
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23:04.19chemistI want to connect a network drive at startup so I entered it in fstab, but fstab runs before the network is up, how can I go about doing this?
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23:05.10stewchemist: you can mount the drive in a "post-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces)
23:05.21Arrickhey all
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23:06.27Arrickquick question... I am looking to build a securty vuln testing box, with debian, but my box is 450 mhz, with 512 mb memory, which version of debian would be the best for it?
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23:06.27chemiststew: can you expanda on that?
23:06.37stewArrick: stable
23:06.38dkrArrick: stable
23:06.40Arrickok thanks
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23:07.06dkrArrick: or use backtrack, a distro designed for that
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23:07.19stewchemist: interfaces provides hooks for you to run commands when the network is brought up.  i'm suggesting you use the "post-up" hook to mount the volume when the network that gets you access to that volume is brought up
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23:07.52chemistthanks.....goes to read interfaces man
23:07.57eroticon-stew: dude
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23:08.04Arrickyou have a link dkr ?
23:08.07eroticon-im back, this is the guy with the yaird issue i was talking to you regarding the modules
23:08.11eroticon-are you around still?
23:08.22eroticon-what do you want me to type, lcpci -n
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23:09.14eroticon-is there anyone else around who could possibly help me to get my old modules up and running?
23:09.19eroticon-at least until stew comes back in
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23:10.27steweroticon-: what does "lspci -n  | grep 0200" say in the third column?
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23:11.54eroticon-stew: lets see
23:12.08Arrickyou have a link dkr ?
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23:12.40eroticon-third column?
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23:13.01dkrArrick: you seriously couldn't find it with web search in the last 5 minutes?
23:13.02streunerjust paste the whole stuff into paste.debian.net
23:13.05LoWang77what package contains the old "chat" program
23:13.06LoWang77unix
23:13.09steweroticon-: yes, probably something liek "8086:10de"
23:13.24dkrLoWang77: talk?
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23:13.29streunerLoWang77: "old chat program"? there are many
23:13.31eroticon-0a:00.0 0200: 10b7:9055 (rev30)
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23:13.35Arrickwell, I just now googled it, because im in about 30 conversations dkr sorry
23:13.52eroticon-0a:01,0 0200: 8086:1076 (rev05)
23:13.58steweroticon-: its a 3c59x, so "modprobe 3c59x" and add 3c59x to /etc/modules
23:14.03Supaplex!pciid [8086:1076]
23:14.03dpkgegrep -i --color `echo 8086:1076 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
23:14.08LoWang77thanks
23:14.12eroticon-let me try that
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23:14.13Supaplexer no
23:14.26Supaplexnm, the no. my bad. :P
23:14.33steweroticon-: that second one is a "e1000" do the same with e1000
23:14.33Supaplex!pciid [10b7:9055]
23:14.33dpkgegrep -i --color `echo 10b7:9055 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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23:15.01Supaplexfirst is 3c59x
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23:15.05eroticon-sec i think that worked you are amazing dude.
23:15.07eroticon-be back in a second
23:15.16stew!which module for 0200
23:15.16dpkgto find which modules supports 0200, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/0200/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap
23:15.19stew:)
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23:15.44Supaplexstew: gmta :)
23:15.44streunerwould be easier, IMO, with "hcl" :-)
23:15.53streuner!hcl
23:15.53dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/
23:16.16streunerwell, so it works too
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23:19.01Roninnow i remember why i ignored joins and parts :)
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23:20.00streunerRonin: you prolly never was in #bash then
23:20.09Roninstreuner: nope
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23:20.29streunerRonin: everyone becomes OP..., another line...
23:20.31ArrickI specifically ignored them, and I am still seeing them
23:21.29blue_asteriskany reasons why php.ini would be ignored by lighttpd on debian?
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23:22.06blue_asteriskI created a test page with phpinfo() in it and checked the path
23:22.12Supaplexblue_asterisk: where's php.info say it's from?
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23:22.23Supaplexmod_php or php cgi?
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23:22.51blue_asteriskSupaplex: cgi
23:22.57blue_asteriskfastcgi
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23:23.05Supaplexhumm... a cgi is a cgi ... does it run the same from the commandline? (run the cgi version)
23:23.35blue_asteriskyeah, I did `/usr/bin/php5-cgi -i`; same thing
23:23.51SupaplexI'm sure the php folks see this plenty :) - yeah, that's just odd it ignores php.ini.
23:24.17blue_asteriskyeah, VERY annoying
23:24.39Supaplexmaybe it's in bugs.debian.org
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23:25.20themillblue_asterisk: did you restart the webserver after making changes (presume that's necessary for lighttpd and fastcgi)
23:25.20blue_asteriskI killed all the lighttpd processes and restarted lighttpd, but it still doesn't work
23:25.31eroticon-quick question
23:25.31eroticon-my eth0 interfase does not go up on boot
23:25.31themillis this bloody network running on a yo-yo or something?
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23:25.32eroticon-i edited /etc/network/interfases correctly
23:25.32eroticon-i have to ifconfig it manually.
23:25.36eroticon-which file handles the automatic ifconfig upon boot?
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23:25.43dkreroticon-: not of you spelled it wrong there like you did here. :)
23:25.49dkrs/of/if/
23:25.58themilleroticon-: do you have "auto eth0" ?
23:26.05eroticon-let me check i have static
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23:26.51themilleroticon-: static/dhcp is a different thing to auto eth0. auto eth0 says to automatically bring up the interface on boot....
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23:27.01eroticon-it was indeed not listed on auto
23:27.07eroticon-i added a line below auto l0, auto eth0
23:27.12themillsounds fine
23:27.12eroticon-thanks a BUNCH
23:27.20themillno worries!
23:27.30themill!next
23:27.31dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
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23:27.46streuner!factinfo next
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23:28.11streunerthemill: "customer" has the same content
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23:28.57blue_asteriskwhere the **** is php5-cgi reading the values from?! I delete /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini and lighttpd still was able to restart
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23:29.11themillstreuner: next -> customer, but in a queue, the person would call out "next" not "customer" ;)
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23:29.30blue_asteriskand yes, lighttpd is using the /usr/bin/php5-cgi binary
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23:29.51eroticon-stew and themill THANKS
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23:30.28Zippy2why does ^s freeze my ssh session
23:30.49rahulZippy2: because that's what XOFF is supposed to do
23:30.53dkrZippy2: that is the control code for stopping the screen from scrolling, like pushign scroll lock
23:31.05dkr^s to stop, ^q to quontinue
23:31.08Zippy2oohh ok
23:31.10themillheh
23:31.18Zippy210 years and still a noob
23:31.29rahulremember XON/XOFF flow control?
23:31.31LoWang77damn it, I can't get pine to compile on AMD64 deb
23:31.33Zippy2yep
23:31.38Zippy2vaguely tho
23:31.40rahulthat's what ctrl-s and ctrl-q are
23:31.41themillZippy2: there's always something new to learn.... or remember
23:31.52rahulthe XON and XOFF characters
23:32.01LoWang77is there a good replacement for pine, anyone know?
23:32.06rahuloh my
23:32.09dkroak
23:32.10Zippy2LoWang77: mutt?
23:32.18LoWang77screw mutt
23:32.20rahulLoWang77: you're even more behind than Zippy2
23:32.24LoWang77heh
23:32.27Zippy2i use pine <3
23:32.27LoWang77kickin in old school
23:32.31themillLoWang77: alpine perhaps
23:32.32LoWang77and yes I remeber xon/off
23:32.34Zippy2<PROTECTED>
23:32.37dkricedove. :)
23:32.41themillkmail...
23:32.47LoWang77pine rocks
23:32.55Zippy2LoWang77: so why do you want to leave pine?
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23:33.06dkrthe license change, of course
23:33.10LoWang77I don't, I just can't apt-get install pine on this new box
23:33.22themill!pine
23:33.22dpkgpine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified Binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include <elm>, <mutt>, <spruce>, <sylpheed>, <balsa>, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To build pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about <nano>, or there MAY be additional help in #pine
23:33.35blue_asteriskLoWang77: ping changed the licence
23:33.40LoWang77I know
23:33.43LoWang77that was some time ago
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23:33.52Zippy2what plays .m4a besides mplayer? console player?
23:33.57Zippy2wasnt there a faac123 or osmething
23:34.01LoWang77still doesn't chang the fact I want it
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23:34.25dkrah, elm spruce and balsa are the other "wood" mail clients, :)
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23:34.57dkrLoWang77: add non-free to your apt/sources.list ?
23:35.28nnyanyone got a way to get xandr to actually recognize my lcd as 1680x1050>? right now it's not, and xorg.log is apparently saying it is detecting the lcd at the right resolution
23:35.29themillLoWang77: then read that section "To build pine debs: ..."
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23:40.10Eclipserwhat's happening with sid? I haven't seen updates in several days
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23:40.37dkrit's unstable
23:40.47Eclipserwell duh?
23:41.35themillEclipser: ftp-master is broken; no uploads are possible and same for sid->lenny transitions
23:41.45Eclipseraha
23:41.47themillEclipser: see recent message on d-d-a
23:41.57Eclipserthanks
23:42.00rahulEclipser: why aren't you subscribed to d-d-a?
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23:42.10Eclipserrahul, I don't use email really
23:42.16rahulerm
23:42.23rahulthen don't use irc.
23:42.26Eclipsero.O
23:42.28Eclipser<.<
23:42.44EclipserI just opened my mailbox today after a few months
23:42.46rahulyou should keep track of things you choose to use
23:42.51Supaplexdpkg: confuse Eclipser
23:42.51dpkgYes, where are my ferret tomorrow, Eclipser? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra cream
23:42.52Eclipserhad about 8k messages of which about 7.8k were spam
23:42.55themillEclipser: there's an implicit assumption that people using lenny and sid will be on d-d-a to keep track of how things will break.
23:43.06rahulEclipser: you can use gmane for tracking mailing lists
23:43.26rahulyou have no excuse for bothering user support when you're using a development release...
23:43.53Eclipserthemill, I'm not really good at following stuff like that, besides I have time to fix it when it breaks :)
23:43.54rahuland development support won't be interested in repeating what they already told people, either...
23:44.21rahulEclipser: well, get better at it. when something isn't doing what you expect, at LEAST check what's already been discussed
23:44.45rahulinstead of coming into an irc channel for something different and asking for help
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23:45.36wwwnickhm, how can i trick debian installer to create lvm on raid1 ?
23:46.08Supaplexcreate raid first?
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23:47.03blue_asteriskwhat are the proper permissions for php.ini on debian?  can somebody please check the permissions on their installation?
23:47.13wwwnickSupaplex: yes, i have done it and when i try to create lvm on md1, debian installer fail as it is looking for /dev/md1/1p1
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23:47.39dkrblue_asterisk: i expect it simply has to be readable by the user apache runs as www-data
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23:47.56Supaplexblue_asterisk: php.ini is generally not very sensitive. 644 should be good
23:48.11blue_asteriskgroup www-data?
23:48.23Vasisthablue_asterisk: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
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23:51.05blue_asteriskstupid permissions on php.ini @#$#$@#$!
23:51.18blue_asteriskthanks guys
23:52.00fas3ri want to test LVM with dm-crypt ( LVM crypted) directly with the netinstall cd  .. it create just one show partition ( / boot ) .. my question :   when i will on step where i need to install grub or lilo i need to specify /boot ?
23:52.10Supaplexblue_asterisk: write up the sysadmin ;)
23:52.54aliljethey... when you "apt-get install ssh" on etch -- does the sshd daemon automatically start or do I have to make some kind of configuration setting?
23:53.08Knorrieit starts
23:53.08Zippy2fas3r: no idea what you said
23:53.11aliljetcool
23:53.20aliljetit's set as S20ssh, so it should work
23:54.30Zippy2apt-get install openssh-server
23:54.34Zippy2it automatically starts
23:56.14blue_asteriskaliljet: look into denyhosts
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