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| 00:00.25 | DustyDingo | hm strange, i use unstable and have no updates for about two days now, can anybody verify that or does the mirror i use got problems? |
| 00:00.25 | albert | Zippy2: i have problem when i want to install grub or lilo it don't want install it on mbr |
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| 00:01.02 | edistar | is there a program with which you can monitor network activity, like top for cpu? |
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| 00:01.57 | stew | edistar: ntop ; iptraf |
| 00:01.58 | Zippy2 | albert: whats the error |
| 00:02.19 | albert | Zippy2: i need to specify /boot ? it's that ? |
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| 00:02.50 | edistar | stew: thx again! |
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| 00:03.42 | Zippy2 | albert: yes. unencrypted /boot with at least 250MB or so |
| 00:03.51 | Zippy2 | ext2/ext3 or whatever is supported on boot |
| 00:04.07 | albert | ok ^^ thx |
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| 00:05.29 | kjdis | When I change the NIC, or in this case change the motherboard with the exact same mobo (onboard NIC), eth0 becomes eth1 and then it's a pain to get it working again, anyone know how to fix that? |
| 00:05.30 | Zippy2 | i use faac to make m4a. why cant i play it? |
| 00:05.41 | Zippy2 | kjdis: find /etc|xargs grep eth1 |
| 00:05.44 | Zippy2 | its some udev file |
| 00:05.54 | kjdis | and then? |
| 00:05.56 | Zippy2 | i had that problem too |
| 00:06.00 | Zippy2 | kjdis: and then change eth1 to eth0 |
| 00:06.04 | Zippy2 | and make sure the mac is right |
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| 00:06.18 | stew | kjdis: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 00:06.41 | Zippy2 | i dont like udev |
| 00:07.31 | kjdis | oh ok stew, I'll try that |
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| 00:08.55 | kjdis | I don't actually have any persistent-net* files |
| 00:09.06 | kjdis | I'll try Zippy's suggestion |
| 00:09.15 | kisielk | I can't seem to get netselect-apt to work |
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| 00:09.48 | kisielk | it just says "Running netselect to choose 1 out of 1 address." and then "netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 00:09.48 | kisielk | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute." |
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| 00:09.58 | Zippy2 | kjdis: also try deleting /etc/iftab and rebooting |
| 00:10.12 | kisielk | but traceroute works justfine... |
| 00:10.16 | Vasistha | kisielk: it never worked all that well for me, anyway ... I just went through the list by hand, and looked for a location I knew to be physically nearby, and I was lucky enough to find a mirror in my city |
| 00:10.37 | Zippy2 | i get 9MBps to mit |
| 00:10.45 | kjdis | Zippy were you saying I should edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:10.55 | Zippy2 | kjdis: no. /etc/iftab |
| 00:11.03 | Zippy2 | rm it if its there and reboot |
| 00:11.06 | Gm4n | why would my system time be off if ntpd is running? |
| 00:11.18 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: no time servers are syncing? |
| 00:11.20 | Zippy2 | ntpdc -p |
| 00:11.28 | Zippy2 | if they are stratum 16, its not working |
| 00:11.31 | Gm4n | "Name or service not known" |
| 00:11.32 | hardcampa | ntpd can't cope with too large diffs |
| 00:11.33 | kisielk | Vasistha: yeah I guess I'll have to do that |
| 00:11.46 | Zippy2 | hardcampa: it wouldnt run, would it? |
| 00:11.49 | Gm4n | hardcampa: what's too large of a diff? |
| 00:11.52 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: do you have /etc/services? |
| 00:11.53 | DustyDingo | hm, can somebody tell me when the last package in unstable was updated? accutally it was monday with the mirrors i use? |
| 00:11.55 | hardcampa | yeah it would run but it would complain in the logs |
| 00:12.04 | Gm4n | I have one, yes Zippy2 |
| 00:12.14 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: where are you getting name or service not known? |
| 00:12.19 | kjdis | ok Zippy, I see what iftab does now, I'll try that |
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| 00:12.35 | Gm4n | Zippy2: when I issue the command "ntpdc -p", I get "Name or service not known" |
| 00:12.46 | Zippy2 | paste it to me in msg |
| 00:12.50 | DustyDingo | and i think this is kind of strange, isn't it? |
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| 00:13.16 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: whereis ntpdc |
| 00:13.32 | Gm4n | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.34 | themill | !sid status |
| 00:13.35 | dpkg | please see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00001.html |
| 00:13.38 | themill | DustyDingo: ^^ |
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| 00:13.40 | Greystripe | anyone know how to force an award bios to do the flash recovery thing, even with a good bios checksum? |
| 00:14.19 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: try to specify 127.0.0.1 somewhere. i dont have it i dont know the syntax |
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| 00:14.41 | atlfalcons866__ | why is my file system taking 2 mins to mount |
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| 00:14.55 | Gm4n | Zippy2: alrighty, it gave me output |
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| 00:15.09 | Gm4n | *is giving |
| 00:15.16 | Zippy2 | paste in msg to me |
| 00:15.34 | Gm4n | http://pastebin.ca/766621 |
| 00:15.46 | DustyDingo | themill: ah ok, it's just that some strange incidents fell together and i started to get a little nervouse |
| 00:16.02 | Zippy2 | bah |
| 00:16.12 | Gm4n | you'd rather have pasted? |
| 00:16.30 | Zippy2 | why else would i ask |
| 00:16.43 | kjdis | damn, it didn't work, links is up, it assigned my static IP, but the network doesn't actually work |
| 00:16.51 | Gm4n | my bad, most people prefer pastebin ;) |
| 00:16.54 | Zippy2 | are your stratums are 16. none of the servers are good |
| 00:17.00 | Zippy2 | try /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
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| 00:17.26 | Zippy2 | it has a poll period of 1024s for each. thats probably why it doesnt work (it isnt polling again for a while) |
| 00:17.29 | Gm4n | still giving me stratums of 16 |
| 00:17.32 | Zippy2 | if you restart ntpd it will repoll isntantly |
| 00:17.50 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: you have to wait until it syncs. im assuming theyre good in the first place. they could be permanently bad (i think it would have been your end that at fault) |
| 00:17.55 | Zippy2 | but it could be those servers too |
| 00:18.02 | Zippy2 | you could do ntptrace oneofthosehostnames |
| 00:18.09 | kjdis | THe line in the log that shows the nic coming up, says ff:ff:ff... at the end, does that mean it thinks my MAC is that? obviously it's somehow messed up now |
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| 00:18.39 | Gm4n | Zippy2: timed out, nothing received |
| 00:18.52 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: where are you located? |
| 00:19.06 | Gm4n | this box is in USA |
| 00:19.16 | Zippy2 | where in usa? |
| 00:19.23 | Gm4n | california (GMT -8) |
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| 00:19.47 | Zippy2 | 209.51.161.238 64.236.96.53 128.227.205.3 208.184.49.9 192.5.41.209 |
| 00:19.55 | Zippy2 | those are my timeservers, custom picked for new york city |
| 00:20.05 | Zippy2 | all stratum 1. try them out |
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| 00:20.17 | Gm4n | how do I do that? (I know 0 about ntp) |
| 00:20.35 | Zippy2 | .000986s offset for the first one. hot. |
| 00:20.40 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: ntpd conf |
| 00:20.45 | Zippy2 | rtfm |
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| 00:22.35 | xacier | what player can i play *.rm files? don't tell me it is realplay cruz sob doesn't exist |
| 00:22.45 | xacier | and mplayer does display crap |
| 00:22.55 | xacier | mplayer doesn't |
| 00:22.58 | streuner | helixplayer |
| 00:23.04 | streuner | !info helixplayer |
| 00:23.05 | xacier | hmmm |
| 00:23.07 | Gm4n | Zippy2: I'm using servers, but they're listed as stratum 16. how long should I wait before looking again? |
| 00:23.15 | streuner | its the free version of realplayer |
| 00:23.16 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: is that machine on the internet? |
| 00:23.26 | Gm4n | yes |
| 00:23.27 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: does it block outgoing udp 123? |
| 00:23.30 | Gm4n | nope |
| 00:23.41 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: you should wait a minute |
| 00:23.58 | streuner | !info helix-player |
| 00:24.05 | dpkg | helix-player: (Helix audio and video player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4088 kB, Installed size: 10600 kB |
| 00:24.12 | xacier | helix player doesn't exist with aptitude install |
| 00:24.18 | xacier | what else blahs |
| 00:24.25 | streuner | xacier: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:24.45 | xacier | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared librariesii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 00:24.59 | xacier | what does that mean? |
| 00:25.00 | streuner | !info helix-player etch |
| 00:25.11 | streuner | you are using etch/stable |
| 00:25.11 | Zippy2 | xacier: it means youre using debian stable |
| 00:25.16 | xacier | bash: !info: event not found |
| 00:25.23 | Ched | !sid |
| 00:25.23 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 00:25.35 | dpkg | helix-player: (Helix audio and video player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-2 (etch), Packaged size: 4088 kB, Installed size: 10600 kB |
| 00:25.43 | streuner | xacier: ^^^ |
| 00:25.57 | xacier | so i can't use helix? |
| 00:26.07 | xacier | and i can't watch rm movies? |
| 00:26.12 | Zippy2 | sigh |
| 00:26.16 | xacier | hmmm |
| 00:26.20 | Zippy2 | sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install helix-player |
| 00:27.05 | xacier | hmmm sumfin is moving |
| 00:27.15 | xacier | but ummm |
| 00:27.21 | xacier | Fetched 216kB in 3s (56.5kB/s) |
| 00:27.21 | xacier | Reading package lists... Done |
| 00:27.21 | xacier | bash: sudo: command not foundFetched 216kB in 3s (56.5kB/s) |
| 00:27.24 | xacier | Reading package lists... Done |
| 00:27.25 | xacier | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 00:27.36 | streuner | !Installit |
| 00:27.37 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 00:27.41 | xacier | sorry for the flooding |
| 00:27.46 | Zippy2 | you dont have sudo? |
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| 00:27.51 | Zippy2 | are you logged in as root? |
| 00:27.56 | xacier | um |
| 00:28.09 | xacier | i su to root |
| 00:28.15 | Zippy2 | hacker |
| 00:28.17 | themill | Zippy2: a default debian install doesn't have sudo stuff set up like that; this isn't ubuntu :) |
| 00:28.21 | xacier | so it is acting like root |
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| 00:28.49 | xacier | what should i do? |
| 00:28.54 | Zippy2 | themill: im using debian default install and i have sudo |
| 00:29.01 | themill | Zippy2: not etch |
| 00:29.12 | Zippy2 | ii libc6 2.6.1-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:29.24 | themill | Zippy2: and specifically not to allow the user to do everything automagically like that |
| 00:29.43 | xacier | hmm |
| 00:29.43 | Zippy2 | themill: ? |
| 00:29.52 | Zippy2 | themill: you mean dont paste them lines with sudo? |
| 00:30.16 | xacier | i tink it is like freebsd style with su |
| 00:30.17 | plundra | What is that small daemon called, that just more or less just "exports" the parallelport via tcp/ip? |
| 00:30.20 | xacier | whatever |
| 00:30.45 | Zippy2 | plundra: lpd? |
| 00:30.57 | plundra | Zippy2: I don't think so. |
| 00:30.59 | dondelelcaro | plundra: generally you don't want to just do that, because you'd like spooling and some other nicities |
| 00:31.03 | Zippy2 | cups? |
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| 00:31.11 | plundra | cups is being a bitch at the moment :-) |
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| 00:31.22 | dondelelcaro | plundra: but there's nothing really stoping you from hooking up a telnet daemon which talks directly to lp0 |
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| 00:31.31 | dondelelcaro | (as silly as that would be) |
| 00:31.33 | themill | Zippy2: yep... because you'll just get people telling you that sudo told them they weren't allowed to do that... |
| 00:31.33 | plundra | Keeps redirecting me to the https-variant of the pages (Even though I have Encryption Never), and it just doesn't work. |
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| 00:31.49 | plundra | dondelelcaro: Not sure that works with whatever the stuff was called in windows |
| 00:32.02 | plundra | I believe it was some jetdirect-emulator-thingy |
| 00:32.03 | dondelelcaro | plundra: what are you printing to? |
| 00:32.19 | jhulst | I'm trying to set up backuppc and would like to set the backup directory to something different than /var/lib, a symbolic link has problems the service starting and trying to make the dir |
| 00:32.20 | plundra | dondelelcaro: Nothing, I can't even add the printer :-P (A Canon i550) |
| 00:32.36 | dondelelcaro | !cups |
| 00:32.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
| 00:32.38 | kjdis | hmm, maybe someone can tell me how to get my MAC address? lspci? |
| 00:32.49 | dondelelcaro | plundra: you should probably start with cups, and do the steps above. |
| 00:32.50 | xacier | um in mplayer's description it is saying i can play rm files |
| 00:32.52 | plundra | kjdis: ifconfig? |
| 00:32.56 | xacier | but it can't |
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| 00:33.06 | STenyaK | hi all. quick question: what does debian use for merging /etc customized files with updated ones? thx |
| 00:33.13 | xacier | i found that to be misleading |
| 00:33.21 | themill | xacier: works for me |
| 00:33.22 | dondelelcaro | STenyaK: it's within dpkg, though some packages use ucf. |
| 00:33.27 | xacier | can someone fix the typo |
| 00:33.31 | xacier | it doesn't work for me |
| 00:33.39 | plundra | dondelelcaro: I doubt those pages will tell me why cups just ignores my requests, the browser just loads forever |
| 00:33.45 | dondelelcaro | xacier: it can with the right codec |
| 00:34.03 | dondelelcaro | plundra: is cups running? Which version of cupsys do you have installed? |
| 00:34.03 | plundra | It's the same with opera on another computer and links local on the box. |
| 00:34.05 | themill | !tell xacier about dmme |
| 00:34.07 | xacier | um where can i getit and how do i install it? |
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| 00:34.11 | xand | !why is videolan not in testing |
| 00:34.11 | dpkg | videolan is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=videolan |
| 00:34.18 | dondelelcaro | plundra: you have to use it locally, because by default it doesn't listen anywhere but localhost |
| 00:34.19 | STenyaK | dondelelcaro: ok, what happens in case of conflicts? is user prompted, files marked as conflicted, ..? |
| 00:34.22 | plundra | dondelelcaro: 1.2.7-4 (it's a stable box) |
| 00:34.33 | themill | night all! |
| 00:34.39 | dondelelcaro | STenyaK: user is promped to resolve the promblem |
| 00:34.44 | plundra | dondelelcaro: I've reconfigured it to allow my local network |
| 00:34.55 | STenyaK | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks a lot! :) |
| 00:35.03 | dondelelcaro | STenyaK: ucf can do a three way merge, but dpkg (as of now) cannot |
| 00:35.09 | streuner | xacier: codecs are usually in "essential file" (mplayer website) |
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| 00:35.24 | hunger__ | hey all |
| 00:35.35 | streuner | xacier: easier is just use marillat (/msg dpkg marillat) |
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| 00:35.43 | dondelelcaro | plundra: well, then you should probably check your configuration, or just try it with the default configuration for starters. |
| 00:36.40 | plundra | dondelelcaro: It's when I pick a driver and select "add printer" it borks, but I'll try using the _defautl_ conf |
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| 00:37.45 | LoWang77 | nice, got pine working thanks 3deb |
| 00:38.12 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:40.07 | Kevin`_ | are there any premade rootkits in the debian repository? |
| 00:40.54 | Ronin | pardon? |
| 00:41.00 | kjdis | Zippy still around? |
| 00:41.12 | streuner | Kevin`: go away |
| 00:41.18 | Kevin`_ | well, it would be easier then compiling one myself, and wouldn't mess with the file dependencies |
| 00:41.20 | Kevin`_ | aww :( |
| 00:41.35 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 00:42.04 | LoWang77 | ok, I got exim4 running, how do I change the port for communicating with an smtp smarthost |
| 00:42.08 | Zippy2 | Kevin`: im sure one of the ops would love to send you a .deb rootkit |
| 00:42.22 | Zippy2 | LoWang77: rtfm |
| 00:42.27 | Kevin`_ | Zippy2 probably, but I wouldn't trust it then :) |
| 00:42.38 | Zippy2 | Kevin`: they can gpg sign it |
| 00:42.59 | Kevin`_ | if it's signed with the proper debian key, sure :) |
| 00:42.59 | LoWang77 | been doing that |
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| 00:43.33 | Gm4n | Zippy2: I think I've waited long enough, but it's still 16 |
| 00:44.04 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: did you use the servers i gave you |
| 00:44.08 | Gm4n | yep |
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| 00:44.15 | Zippy2 | then your internet is broke! |
| 00:44.20 | hunger__ | anyone have problems installing sarge on a mobo with via chipset? I can't detect the disk drive, i'm trying the sata_via driver with no luck, TIA |
| 00:44.30 | Zippy2 | because im actively using those and they all work perfectly |
| 00:44.33 | Gm4n | Zippy2: no it's not, this is serving web pages and is 1000 miles away from me |
| 00:44.35 | kjdis | Zippy: I did that stuff you suggested, and now my MAC address is hosed, any ideas how to fix it? |
| 00:44.42 | Kevin`_ | how do you show the key fingerprint for an ssh server? |
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| 00:44.50 | kjdis | Zippy2: it's all FF:FF:FF... |
| 00:44.53 | Kevin`_ | (other then connecting from a client that doesn't know it) |
| 00:44.53 | CaBlGuY | greetings.. what would it take tomake debian "hardened"? Or is there already a hardened distro out there? |
| 00:44.58 | Zippy2 | kjdis: what did you do? |
| 00:45.10 | Zippy2 | and what chipset |
| 00:45.33 | Zippy2 | CaBlGuY: unplug it from the internet and rip out the serial/usb ports |
| 00:45.41 | CaBlGuY | LOL |
| 00:45.47 | CaBlGuY | seriously though... |
| 00:45.48 | kjdis | Zippy2: it happenned after I deleted /etc/iftab and rebooted, it's an SiS nic and I know for sure it works because it did in the past, and it had a valid MAC until I removed iftab and rebooted |
| 00:45.50 | Zippy2 | iptables |
| 00:45.54 | Zippy2 | and SElinux |
| 00:45.59 | CaBlGuY | k.. |
| 00:46.06 | Zippy2 | kjdis: do you have an eth0? |
| 00:46.11 | wwasher | CaBlGuY : turn off unneeded things. |
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| 00:46.30 | Zippy2 | CaBlGuY: netstat -anp as root and apt-get remove --purge whatever you dont need/use |
| 00:46.35 | kjdis | Zippy2: yes it's active and stuff, but becaise the MAC is all FFs it cannot actually communicate with the LAN |
| 00:46.35 | Zippy2 | (be sure you dont need it) |
| 00:46.44 | Zippy2 | kjdis: so change the mac address |
| 00:46.46 | Gm4n | Zippy2: could a big time disparity cause this? |
| 00:46.58 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: no. stratum 16 means unreachable |
| 00:47.10 | kjdis | Zippy2: so write a new iftab? How can I get the MAC that it was? |
| 00:47.16 | Zippy2 | try running ntpdate time.apple.com or something first (you have to turn off ntp-server) |
| 00:47.23 | Zippy2 | kjdis: check your logs |
| 00:47.23 | xacier | where do i copy the codecs into? |
| 00:47.30 | CaBlGuY | k, thanks Zippy2 0/ |
| 00:47.30 | xacier | i mean for the mplayer |
| 00:47.35 | kjdis | Zippy2: duh, heh didn't think of that |
| 00:47.56 | Zippy2 | kjdis: its ethernet's biggest flaw. |
| 00:48.18 | Zippy2 | (arp forging_ |
| 00:48.19 | Zippy2 | ) |
| 00:49.00 | kjdis | Zippy2: well the old MAC from a few days ago, different motherboard same model, is there, and since I'm prob gonna throw it out I'll just try it, should I write my own iftab again? |
| 00:49.18 | xacier | um where the heck is mplayer's code dir? |
| 00:49.23 | xacier | *codec |
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| 00:51.09 | DeathWolf | hum |
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| 00:51.17 | DeathWolf | Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory => Does that mean kernel support is not built? |
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| 00:51.20 | DeathWolf | *module |
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| 00:51.44 | DeathWolf | (I get that on lsmod) |
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| 00:52.11 | Freakingme | I'm having several problems with php caused by it's version: 5.2. How long will it approximately take before php 5.4 will be in the stable repos? |
| 00:52.20 | mne | hi guys. do you know a program I can use to draw schematics with registers, latches, flip flops, gates and such ? |
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| 00:53.04 | kjdis | heh, cool, I wrote a new iftab and also ifconfig'd the new MAC, seems to work |
| 00:53.21 | kjdis | Zippy2: thanks, I might never have thought to look in the log for the old MAC :) |
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| 01:00.54 | xacier | um where is mplayer's codecs directory? |
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| 01:01.00 | Gm4n | Zippy2: I now have a server with strata 2, what does that mean? |
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| 01:03.30 | Gm4n | oh, nevermind, that's a stupid question :) |
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| 01:07.34 | karmatronic | hi |
| 01:07.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:12.47 | Zippy2 | internet crapped out. sorry |
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| 01:13.02 | Zippy2 | Gm4n: it means you are connected |
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| 01:13.45 | Gm4n | Zippy2: I got things figured out, ran ntp manually, in foreground, skipped sanity checks, and had it quit after time update |
| 01:13.55 | Gm4n | time is now back on track :) |
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| 01:16.19 | Zippy2 | i set up a time server |
| 01:16.27 | Zippy2 | it was one of the most difficult things ive ever done |
| 01:16.38 | Zippy2 | i even set up full crypto |
| 01:16.48 | keith4_ | like, you joined the official ntp pool? |
| 01:16.51 | Zippy2 | yes, encrypted time |
| 01:16.58 | Zippy2 | no. it was for an edu |
| 01:17.04 | xacier | you people blows |
| 01:17.04 | Zippy2 | not published publically |
| 01:17.11 | xacier | i found my answer on google |
| 01:17.11 | keith4_ | ... why encrypt ntp? |
| 01:17.19 | xacier | adioz |
| 01:17.25 | Zippy2 | keith_: make sure no one changes time |
| 01:17.27 | xacier | you people are of no help |
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| 01:17.30 | hardcampa | lol |
| 01:17.37 | keith4_ | not our fault he can't use 'locate' |
| 01:17.38 | keith4_ | idiot |
| 01:17.44 | hardcampa | you don't encrypt ntp you prevent their access |
| 01:17.55 | hardcampa | you do that in the ntp.conf |
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| 01:18.18 | Zippy2 | hardcampa: i know about that |
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| 01:18.27 | OZ | You cannot change time! |
| 01:18.30 | Zippy2 | im not a document, look up why you would use it |
| 01:18.34 | OZ | for time is always changing... |
| 01:18.40 | Zippy2 | OZ: sure you can, spend more time on irc and youll see its possible |
| 01:18.50 | Zippy2 | i lost 10 years of my life |
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| 01:18.53 | OZ | I defy you to change time. |
| 01:18.54 | Zippy2 | and it felt like 1 |
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| 01:19.14 | OZ | Bah, you're just changing your perception |
| 01:19.23 | hardcampa | it's not the spoon that bends |
| 01:19.33 | OZ | It's the butterfly in asia... |
| 01:19.37 | hardcampa | yes! |
| 01:19.39 | OZ | with the monsoon ... here... |
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| 01:19.40 | hardcampa | haha |
| 01:19.43 | OZ | ..... I'm confused. |
| 01:20.03 | OZ | Hahah |
| 01:20.10 | Zippy2 | my perception? time is a human construct |
| 01:20.13 | Zippy2 | perception is everything |
| 01:21.05 | OZ | Yes, and since you're just a figment of my perception, I'm going to blink |
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| 01:21.11 | OZ | and you will cease to exist! |
| 01:21.15 | Zippy2 | not witty, sorry |
| 01:21.22 | minerale | greetings, is there linux support for hybrid hard drives? |
| 01:21.31 | Zippy2 | minerale: hybrid what and what? |
| 01:21.40 | OZ | Zippy2, wasn't aiming for witty... aiming for you to cease existance ;-D |
| 01:21.48 | Zippy2 | OZ: wish harder |
| 01:21.49 | OZ | just kidding.. |
| 01:22.17 | minerale | zippy2: you know memory is slow, so fast l1 and L2 cache is put in place to speed it up, hdd is slow so flash memory is added as cache to speed it up |
| 01:22.19 | Zippy2 | why does this laptop dvdrw drive go 2.0x burning dvd-r and then 4x 6x then 8. why cant it just go 8x from the start? |
| 01:22.26 | OZ | Heh. If I wish any harder I'm going to blow a vein somewhere |
| 01:22.47 | OZ | HDD has flash memory caches? |
| 01:22.56 | OZ | HDD's have, rather* |
| 01:22.59 | Zippy2 | minerale: so you want to boot off a usb or something and then mounted a hard drive as /? |
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| 01:23.09 | Zippy2 | thats been possible for a long time |
| 01:23.16 | minerale | zippy2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive |
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| 01:23.34 | Zippy2 | interesting |
| 01:23.51 | OZ | Wow |
| 01:23.52 | minerale | i'm not sure if there is linux support, the article claims there is not and I doubl that |
| 01:23.53 | OZ | that's nifty |
| 01:23.53 | Zippy2 | wow up to 1gig buffer |
| 01:23.57 | minerale | doub/doubt |
| 01:24.02 | Zippy2 | is that like intel turboboost or whatever? |
| 01:24.05 | Zippy2 | or is that something diff? |
| 01:24.11 | Zippy2 | minerale: im not sure |
| 01:24.11 | OZ | does having the cache limit the size of the actual platters? |
| 01:24.34 | Zippy2 | OZ: who cares? the more platters, the more probability of drive failure |
| 01:24.42 | OZ | though, I doubt size would matter much, since this could be very cool for things like webservers! |
| 01:24.48 | OZ | think of RAID'd hybrids! |
| 01:26.18 | OZ | Wow, I want to try that out now |
| 01:26.38 | OZ | What's this nonsense about it only being fully compatible with Vista? |
| 01:28.09 | Kevin`_ | it doesn't make sense for a hard drive to not be compatible with ANY operating system, unless it uses it's own controller card (in which case, avoid it) |
| 01:28.32 | Zippy2 | well, it does have a 1gig buffer |
| 01:28.37 | Zippy2 | it imght as well be raid |
| 01:29.10 | DeathWolf | hum, what was the way to make sure users cant see other users' processes? |
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| 01:29.23 | DeathWolf | (and that only root can see them) |
| 01:29.29 | OZ | delete all other users :D |
| 01:29.38 | DeathWolf | another way:) |
| 01:29.46 | OZ | Heheh, no idea, sorry |
| 01:29.49 | hardcampa | patch your kernel with something like grsecurity and such |
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| 01:29.58 | DeathWolf | meh, guess I'll have to return to grsec |
| 01:30.05 | Zippy2 | DeathWolf: sysctl? |
| 01:30.12 | DeathWolf | was it in sysctl? |
| 01:30.17 | Zippy2 | probably |
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| 01:30.34 | Zippy2 | at least in freebsd it is |
| 01:30.45 | DeathWolf | yeah |
| 01:30.47 | DeathWolf | in fbsd it is:) |
| 01:31.08 | tomb0y | how do u pass configuration options to suEXEC via apache2? im receiving this error "cannot get docroot information (/var/www)" and i need to tell suEXEC the correct path since /var/www is not it for me. |
| 01:31.09 | Zippy2 | :( |
| 01:31.19 | OZ | uh oh, just got to the drawbacks section |
| 01:31.28 | Zippy2 | OZ: to the pill? |
| 01:31.41 | OZ | What? |
| 01:31.43 | Zippy2 | it causes arterial plaque :( |
| 01:31.53 | OZ | Oh, no, the hybrids, sorry. |
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| 01:33.33 | minerale | is there some kind of netsplit going on? why do I only see a handful of people talking |
| 01:35.30 | OZ | could you imagine if all 647 were talking? |
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| 01:39.58 | ttick | I'm installing a new system. My old install had lots of trouble with foreign characters screwing up Mutt's display, and man pages, etc. Now I'm doing a new install. Which locale should I choose? us-en or us-en.UTF-8? Or does it even matter? |
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| 01:40.38 | Daemon | stew - are you about buddy? |
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| 01:40.41 | tzanger | good evening |
| 01:40.49 | ttick | !utf-8 |
| 01:40.50 | dpkg | [utf-8] Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man pages. |
| 01:41.31 | ttick | so, utf-8 is prefered? |
| 01:41.44 | tzanger | I have a newbie question... I'm trying to prevent a kernel module from loading through hotplug, but I'd like to install it later in the boot process, after I've done some other init (i.e. in /etc/rc.local). I've added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but that seems to prevent it from loading within /etc/rc.local when I run modprobe... is there a better way to do what I'm trying ot do? |
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| 01:48.52 | wols | tzanger: try /etc/modules |
| 01:48.56 | wols | also, update to etch |
| 01:49.07 | tzanger | I am running etch |
| 01:49.17 | wols | then you don't run hotplug |
| 01:49.23 | wols | if you do it's not proper upgrade |
| 01:49.47 | wols | what hotplug once did is now done by udev |
| 01:50.05 | tzanger | hotplug/udev I used them interchangeably |
| 01:50.07 | tzanger | my mistake |
| 01:50.57 | wols | u!tell tzanger about blacklist |
| 01:50.59 | tzanger | point is, I have "blacklist mymodule" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, and that's preventing it from being automatically loaded as expected, but modprobe mymodule in /etc/rc.local appears to also be affected. modprobe mymodule in a shell works fine |
| 01:51.00 | wols | !tell tzanger about blacklist |
| 01:51.10 | wols | it's supposedly blacklist.local |
| 01:51.21 | tzanger | interesting |
| 01:51.26 | tzanger | it's got a blacklist file |
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| 01:58.06 | Zippy2 | mm RT |
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| 01:59.38 | tzanger | wols: blacklist or blacklist.local, result's the same... rc.local does not seem able to load the module, although I have no trouble in a shell |
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| 02:03.23 | wols | tzanger: what about /etc/modules ? |
| 02:03.38 | wols | cause rc.local is really the wrong place |
| 02:03.55 | tzanger | wols: the wrong place to do pre-module-load-stuff? |
| 02:04.17 | wols | rc.local ist the wrong place to load modules |
| 02:04.52 | tzanger | fair enough, but I need to synchronize the module load with an application star |
| 02:04.53 | tzanger | t |
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| 02:10.45 | DeathWolf | hum, does anyone know where to get recent grsecurity patches(like for 2.6.23) |
| 02:10.56 | DeathWolf | the homepage hasnt obviously been updated for eons |
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| 02:19.07 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 02:20.20 | Azar | checked all this little Debian wonder box for noises, all fans, cpu fan run ok but the big power supply fan is chocking.. should I replace it? |
| 02:20.47 | Zippy2 | is that a question? |
| 02:20.57 | Azar | yes , it ends with a ? |
| 02:21.15 | Zippy2 | everything else isnt though |
| 02:21.23 | Azar | how critical is the power supply fan? |
| 02:21.37 | Zippy2 | are you serious? |
| 02:22.09 | Azar | cpu fan and the other two are ok, only the power supply is making noise |
| 02:22.19 | Zippy2 | why would you risk it? |
| 02:22.52 | Azar | man I wanted to dismantle it to try to clean/grease check for debris inside, but it looks darn hard to be taken out from there |
| 02:23.14 | Zippy2 | sucks for you, buy another case |
| 02:23.16 | rance1 | and when the powersupply does finally overhead and fry itself, you want to risk frying your components at the same time, spend the $50.00 or so and buy a new power supply |
| 02:23.54 | Azar | rance1: yeah I guess is the only way, but I still think the fan has some debris there |
| 02:24.08 | Azar | I cleaned the dust but I can't reach inside that fan |
| 02:24.20 | Zippy2 | use one of those air blower cans |
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| 02:24.28 | Azar | Zippy2: yeah that what I used |
| 02:24.36 | Azar | with that tiny tube |
| 02:24.57 | Azar | I "thought" I seen some wires obstructing the fan inside... |
| 02:25.09 | Azar | I need to dismantle it |
| 02:25.16 | Zippy2 | not advisable |
| 02:25.19 | Zippy2 | i hope you dont have a crt |
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| 02:25.29 | Azar | Zippy2: no, no crt here |
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| 02:25.43 | Zippy2 | ok good. no explosions in the near future for azar |
| 02:25.46 | Azar | the box is 3 years old... everything looks running ok |
| 02:25.50 | Zippy2 | 3 years? ahhahaha |
| 02:25.52 | rance1 | if your power supply is out of warranty, you could try to open it and replace the fan, but be carefult, the capactors and stuch can store power long after you unplug it, generally speaking, its best to just get a new power unit |
| 02:25.55 | Zippy2 | i was thinking 8+ |
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| 02:26.19 | Zippy2 | do you live near the beach with the window open or something? |
| 02:26.31 | FuzzplugJones | i was writing an email in pine when my internet hiccuped and i got disconnected. i did a ps ax, and found that pine is still running. is there *any* way to reconnect to that process with the new terminal connection? |
| 02:26.34 | Azar | Zippy2: no , no beach here |
| 02:27.06 | Azar | thanks guys, I only hope I can find the right power supply, the case is very small |
| 02:27.08 | dondelelcaro | FuzzplugJones: not unless you used screen, no. |
| 02:27.15 | Dewi | what approach could I take to get my system to report to me what files are being written? |
| 02:27.17 | FuzzplugJones | great. thanks. |
| 02:27.21 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: fuser |
| 02:28.00 | Azar | Zippy2: now that I cleaned the dust, it seems to make less noise, but ... still noise |
| 02:28.05 | dondelelcaro | (well, that'd tell you which files were open for writing; as far as which are actually being written at that moment in time, that's another story) |
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| 02:29.43 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: movable type - a CGI script that is supposed to be writing hundreds of little files for me, but... just doesn't seem to be doing it. It's difficult to strace a pid because they are so shortlived... and so far polling with lsof isn't turning up anything (although I'm not too good at filtering lsof) |
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| 02:30.33 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: is it possible to somehow attach strace to a process before it begins? |
| 02:30.45 | ujy99 | the debian installer cannot find my IDE CD/DVD ROM... |
| 02:30.48 | ujy99 | any ideas? |
| 02:30.53 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I mean without actually launching it via strace; this is running under apache |
| 02:31.35 | Dewi | ujy99: been a long time since I've seen that |
| 02:32.06 | Dewi | ujy99: don't know what to suggest... I wonder how hard it is to install from USB |
| 02:32.36 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: you can just start it in the console |
| 02:32.53 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: but if it's unable to, it should be writing stuff to the error log |
| 02:33.17 | ujy99 | anybody got ideas? |
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| 02:33.32 | dondelelcaro | ujy99: which installer? is it really an IDE CD/DVD? |
| 02:33.50 | ujy99 | dondelelcaro: etch or lenny netinst |
| 02:34.02 | ujy99 | dondelelcaro: yes. IDE drive not SATA |
| 02:34.13 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: do CGIs do that? |
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| 02:34.17 | ujy99 | dondelelcaro: i do have 2 SATA HDD connected though |
| 02:34.18 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes |
| 02:34.35 | dondelelcaro | ujy99: well, that's pretty unusual then; generally the cdrom is detected quite easily. What's the relevant dmesg output? |
| 02:35.42 | wols | ujy99: you still haven't told us the controller you use, did you? |
| 02:36.12 | ujy99 | wols: Intel conrtoller |
| 02:36.22 | wols | ujy99: and I told you before, this isn't true |
| 02:36.38 | wols | not unless the DVD is SATA connected |
| 02:36.53 | Dewi | wols: ? |
| 02:37.00 | Dewi | wols: intel doesn't make IDE controllers? |
| 02:37.02 | ujy99 | wols: idk then. |
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| 02:37.08 | wols | Dewi: intel chipsets don't have any ide controllers anymore. sata only |
| 02:38.08 | ujy99 | wols: i tried that installer you said yesterday, and nothing |
| 02:38.18 | Dewi | ujy99: usb key? |
| 02:38.19 | ujy99 | wols: still can't find the CDROM |
| 02:38.33 | ujy99 | Dewi: yea have one |
| 02:39.07 | Dewi | ujy99: I've never installed off one, but there's every possibility it's not too difficult |
| 02:39.13 | wols | ujy99: I read it in the logs. please put lspci on the flash drive and tell us what pci devices you have |
| 02:39.17 | wols | lspci -v and lspci -n |
| 02:39.20 | Azar | honorables, I need help with reading errors in syslog, could someone tell me what these error mean? http://paste.debian.net/41878 |
| 02:39.21 | wols | output of both |
| 02:39.50 | Dewi | ujy99: or even just booting a linux rescue disk off USB will allow you to get in there and see what the kernel is making of your IDE/CD-ROM |
| 02:39.58 | Dewi | as wols says |
| 02:40.09 | wols | Azar: what reading errors. seems lm-sensors reads evreything just fine |
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| 02:40.28 | Azar | wols: the [ALARM]s.. |
| 02:40.42 | wols | Azar: what mobo? |
| 02:40.43 | Azar | Temp3: -38 C (min = 15 C, max = 45 C) |
| 02:40.48 | Azar | Asus |
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| 02:41.35 | wols_ | 03:40 < wols> Azar: what mobo? |
| 02:41.37 | wols_ | 03:41 < wols> lm_sensors sometimes needs an offset added/subtracted to the raw value to be accurate |
| 02:41.40 | ujy99 | what am i looking for in lspci? |
| 02:41.41 | wols_ | 03:41 < wols_> if yours doesn't it might not work |
| 02:41.53 | wols_ | ujy99: the full output |
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| 02:42.08 | Azar | wols_ ah thanks :) |
| 02:42.13 | wols_ | save it to the usb stick and pastebin it it via your current inet connection |
| 02:42.31 | wols_ | Azar: read the k7s5a howto. pretty good description and uses the same sensor |
| 02:42.32 | ujy99 | wols: i think i found the ide.... |
| 02:42.40 | wols_ | ujy99: then lets hear |
| 02:42.45 | ujy99 | wols: marvell technology grp |
| 02:42.55 | wols_ | yes, the crappy shit as always |
| 02:43.10 | wols_ | tho. supposedly you can't boot from it. ever |
| 02:43.25 | ujy99 | this good? |
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| 02:44.05 | wols_ | ujy99: try all-generic-ide as a kernel parameter on the kmuto installer |
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| 02:45.23 | ujy99 | wols: "install acpi=off all-generic-ude" correct? |
| 02:46.02 | ujy99 | *ide |
| 02:48.06 | ujy99 | wols: did "install acpi=off all-generic-ide". still not detecting |
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| 02:49.13 | ujy99 | wols: dead end? |
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| 02:50.55 | Azar | thanks wols_ great howto! |
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| 02:52.40 | uniscript | can anyone help with a docbook-to-man problem? |
| 02:52.40 | ujy99 | wols_: is this a lost cause? |
| 02:52.40 | Nyle | Call toll free |
| 02:52.41 | Azar | mister Nyle! :) |
| 02:52.42 | Nyle | Master Nyle! :) |
| 02:53.34 | Azar | Nyle, #music? |
| 02:53.44 | Nyle | always |
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| 02:58.37 | Nyle | Maestro Nyle? |
| 02:58.37 | Nyle | :D |
| 02:58.58 | CyberMad | how to find out hard disk space ? |
| 02:59.05 | CyberMad | i forget.. what is the command.. :) |
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| 02:59.21 | \amethyst | CyberMad: df |
| 02:59.26 | CyberMad | thanks :) |
| 02:59.31 | \amethyst | CyberMad: or du depending on what you mean |
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| 03:00.50 | CyberMad | thanks.. the 1st one, but thank for valuable information for second answer |
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| 03:03.09 | Zippy2 | how do i know if kvm is using hardware? |
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| 03:08.52 | Jesse | when I do apt-get remove libapache-mod-perl I get this error: |
| 03:08.52 | Jesse | dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-perl (--remove): |
| 03:08.52 | Jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.52 | Jesse | /usr/bin/ucf: line 351: getopt: command not found |
| 03:08.52 | Jesse | any ideas? |
| 03:08.52 | Jesse | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 03:08.52 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 03:09.11 | Jesse | er |
| 03:09.17 | Jesse | anyone get that before I was kicked? |
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| 03:10.06 | dondelelcaro | Jesse: for whatever reason, you do not have getopt installed, probably because you've removed util-linux. Reinstall it, and try again. |
| 03:10.43 | dondelelcaro | considering that util-linux is Essential: yes, Priority: required, though, you had to work pretty hard to do that (or someone has been removing things or changing PATH insanely) |
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| 03:11.35 | Jesse | dman son playing around with root again (; |
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| 03:13.07 | smacnay | Is there a major update coming to "testing"? |
| 03:13.20 | wols_ | smacnay: there always is. constantly |
| 03:13.41 | simonrvn | ries still down... :/. i hope they manage to get it up soon. good luck to them. |
| 03:13.48 | smacnay | wols_: I just noticed a lack of anything for a day or two now. |
| 03:14.32 | Jesse | Thank you all |
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| 03:16.02 | Zippy2 | is qemu in lenny patched for kvm? |
| 03:16.16 | DeathWolf | how does one properly compile&install the fuse module from fuse-source? |
| 03:16.18 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: that's because ries has been down. |
| 03:16.31 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: ah, I didn't know |
| 03:16.37 | dondelelcaro | DeathWolf: m-a a-i fuse |
| 03:16.51 | dondelelcaro | !now you know |
| 03:16.52 | dpkg | And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE! |
| 03:17.11 | DeathWolf | awesome thanks dondelelcaro |
| 03:17.11 | keith4_ | is there anything i should know about running debian on CF? |
| 03:17.20 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: what happened to dpkg. hot too much juice? a few cpu cylces too many? |
| 03:17.27 | dondelelcaro | wols_: when? |
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| 03:17.39 | wols_ | < dpkg> And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE! |
| 03:17.48 | wols_ | without getting talked to |
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| 03:18.19 | wols_ | s/hot/got |
| 03:18.20 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: make sure you've either got a CF which write balances or a filesystem that does |
| 03:18.26 | DeathWolf | hum |
| 03:18.37 | wols_ | the question is why is dpkg suddenly prone to mindless outbursts? |
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| 03:18.47 | dondelelcaro | wols_: I addressed it |
| 03:18.49 | DeathWolf | dondelelcaro: it created the package and installed it but it does not seem to have installed any file nor can I modprobe anything(since the file is not there) |
| 03:18.52 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, i'm using "industrial" flash.... does that count? ;-) |
| 03:18.57 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: nope |
| 03:18.58 | wols_ | never seen that before |
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| 03:19.13 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, what's an example of a write-balancing filesystem? |
| 03:19.16 | dondelelcaro | DeathWolf: dpkg -l foss-*; or similar |
| 03:19.21 | corevette | where do i get the debian unstable repositories? |
| 03:19.34 | wols_ | corevette: what for? |
| 03:19.45 | corevette | well how do i get lets say the new version of gnome |
| 03:19.46 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: ubifs, there are probably others |
| 03:19.53 | wols_ | corevette: backport |
| 03:19.54 | corevette | in the repositories vols_ |
| 03:19.55 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: I only know of them, I haven't ever run with any of them |
| 03:19.56 | lontra | corevette: if you need to ask then you shouldn't run it |
| 03:20.12 | corevette | wols_ where is that |
| 03:20.20 | wols_ | !tell corevette about backports |
| 03:20.21 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks |
| 03:20.38 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: but you should be able to figure out whether it's even required by looking at the spec of your flash; the high-end stuff should have it built in (but the only way to know is to read) |
| 03:20.40 | wols_ | corevette: if you simply install packages from unstable you _will_ break you debian. and we won't feel sorry for you or help you much |
| 03:21.01 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, how convenient. i know how to read! |
| 03:21.15 | corevette | wols_: what about testing |
| 03:21.44 | odla | !pulseaudio |
| 03:21.45 | wols_ | corevette: same |
| 03:21.57 | wols_ | !tell corevette about bobbitt |
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| 03:22.44 | corevette | wols_ so how do i install the new gnome? |
| 03:22.46 | odla | would i need to reboot after installing pulseaudio to connect to the server? |
| 03:22.52 | dondelelcaro | I unfortunatly have the feeling that more and more people were born after lorena bobbitt |
| 03:23.03 | odla | corevette: install ubuntu or wait and be patient ;) |
| 03:23.17 | corevette | odla: where is the release schedule for debian |
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| 03:23.33 | odla | lol ... release schedule and debian :D |
| 03:23.34 | wols_ | corevette: such a thing does not exist |
| 03:23.49 | dondelelcaro | DeathWolf: once you figure out what package it installed, dpkg -L foopkg; will tell you what it did. (it also (usually) created a .deb in a temp directory; you can find that and dpkg-deb -c it) |
| 03:23.50 | wols_ | it's a stupid thing too: it's released when it's ready |
| 03:23.50 | gravity | Not entirely true... |
| 03:24.00 | corevette | wols_ isn't gnome ready? |
| 03:24.06 | odla | debian releases everytime it snows in cuba ;) |
| 03:24.16 | gravity | I think the goal is to release in September, but I could be way off |
| 03:24.18 | wols_ | gravity: are you psychic and you know the next release date? |
| 03:24.21 | dondelelcaro | we have release prognostications |
| 03:24.36 | gravity | wols_: The release team has talked about it, it doesn't take a psychic |
| 03:24.44 | wols_ | goals and actual reality are two different things :) |
| 03:24.45 | dondelelcaro | and high prophets of release date predictions |
| 03:25.00 | corevette | does anyone know why debian doesn't release the new version of gnome? |
| 03:25.01 | odla | debian releases when gravity fixes all the bugs in X ;) |
| 03:25.03 | wols_ | supposedly etch was to be released in december I think. there was a nice roadmap too :) |
| 03:25.06 | dondelelcaro | I can tell you that it will release on a sunday. Is that good enough? |
| 03:25.20 | odla | dondelelcaro: why a sunday? |
| 03:25.42 | dondelelcaro | odla: if I told you, then everyone could predict it |
| 03:25.51 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:26.07 | odla | dondelelcaro: dds are fans of american football? |
| 03:26.22 | dondelelcaro | odla: then we'd really wouldn't release on sunday |
| 03:26.27 | dondelelcaro | (or monday either) |
| 03:26.28 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, sorry to be a pain... do you think this hardware has balancing built in? http://www.emphase.com/fdm4000 |
| 03:26.33 | wols_ | more like saturday is a day off for all the volunteers |
| 03:26.51 | keith4_ | dondelelcaro, it says "Wear-leveling algorithm to increase module lifetime" |
| 03:27.03 | dondelelcaro | keith4_: yeah, that's what you're looking for |
| 03:27.09 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: afaik all flash nowadays has wear levelling |
| 03:27.22 | odla | dondelelcaro: why sunday? please ... |
| 03:27.27 | dondelelcaro | wols_: oh, I'm sure there are some modules that don't. |
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| 03:28.02 | dondelelcaro | odla: the basic reason is that an actual release requires people to actually touch the archive. This usually happens on friday (or early saturday); then the cds get built, and tested (hopefully) and by then it's sunday. |
| 03:28.05 | Kevin`_ | nothing prevents YOU from doing wear levelling on a flash module if your using it directly - normally you have to anyway, because your using it directly.. |
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| 03:28.52 | odla | dondelelcaro: thanks :) ... btw do you know if ftp-master.debian.org is up yet? |
| 03:28.54 | harold | Is there an easy way to add all unix users to my database of samba users (without manually adding each one)? |
| 03:29.12 | dondelelcaro | odla: it was kind of up a while ago, but I don't know if the configuration has been completed yet |
| 03:29.29 | dondelelcaro | odla: probably it'll be up within the next 24 hours |
| 03:29.41 | odla | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:31.25 | Zippy2 | hark: doesnt samba link to Unix passwd? |
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| 03:31.39 | Zippy2 | harold |
| 03:32.40 | harold | Zippy2, nope, even if you already have 50 unix users AFAIK, you still have to create a samba account for each of em so they can login using samba. |
| 03:33.18 | keith4_ | you can tie samba to other stuff |
| 03:33.31 | keith4_ | i have the oreilly samba book around here somewhere |
| 03:33.31 | Kevin`_ | there must be some way to have samba use PAM or something for authentication |
| 03:33.37 | keith4_ | there is |
| 03:35.46 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: cool, good to hear that. it bugs me when one of my boxen is down, knowing that people makes requests to it. just a matter of scale of course, but i understand it. thanks for the info. |
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| 03:38.48 | shane` | this might be a bit of a long shot, but does anyone know which package supplies libdbus-1.so.2? - i've installed libdbus, but it only has libdbus-1.so.3... google hasn't offered many answers :( |
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| 03:40.58 | dondelelcaro | !+find libdbus-1.so.2 |
| 03:40.59 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:41.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell shane` -about search |
| 03:41.50 | shane` | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 03:42.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdbus-1.so.2' returned no results. |
| 03:42.28 | dondelelcaro | !+find libdbus-1.so.2 sarge |
| 03:42.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:42.59 | shane` | hrm |
| 03:43.12 | dondelelcaro | (anyway, it's probably libdbus-1-2 if I were to guess, but you may have to visit snapshot.debian.net to get that version) |
| 03:43.28 | shane` | yeah thats what i thought, so i installed that |
| 03:43.31 | shane` | still no luck |
| 03:43.53 | shane` | closest thing i've found on the net was an RPM - i converted to deb, installed... still no luck |
| 03:43.54 | dondelelcaro | shane`: what does libdus-1-2 have in it, then? |
| 03:44.03 | shane` | lemme check |
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| 03:44.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdbus-1.so.2' returned no results. |
| 03:44.51 | dondelelcaro | !+find libdbus-1.so.2 etch |
| 03:44.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 03:45.44 | shane` | not sure |
| 03:46.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libdbus-1.so.2' returned no results. |
| 03:46.18 | shane` | after installing the package i tried to do a find for libdbus-1.so.2, and couldn't find it |
| 03:46.23 | shane` | is there a better way to check? |
| 03:47.01 | stormshadow | sigh |
| 03:47.09 | wols_ | shane`: dpkg -L <package> |
| 03:47.35 | wols_ | in this case |grep lib |
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| 03:48.49 | shane` | hang on, i installed libdbus-1-3 |
| 03:48.59 | shane` | there isn't even libdbus-1-2 in my apt cache |
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| 03:49.11 | shane` | even after an apt-get update |
| 03:49.20 | dondelelcaro | shane`: that's why I said to look at snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:50.07 | shane` | ok cheers |
| 03:50.27 | simonrvn | i get libdbus-glib-1-2 libdbus-1-3 in sid... |
| 03:51.09 | dondelelcaro | though there really shouldn't be anything which has a dependency on that version of dbus anymore |
| 03:51.34 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:51.36 | shane` | apparently :\ |
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| 03:51.47 | MrTelephone | ~find openser mediaproxy |
| 03:51.49 | shane` | it actually depends on 1-3 AND 1-2 for some reason |
| 03:51.57 | MrTelephone | ~dpkg mediaproxy |
| 03:52.10 | MrTelephone | how do you search for a package |
| 03:52.26 | shane` | i tried creating a sym link to 1-3, but that wouldn't work either |
| 03:52.27 | shane` | :\ |
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| 03:53.09 | sid | What is that good flight simulator that is free software? |
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| 03:54.31 | Xenguy | sid: apt-cache search simulator |
| 03:54.32 | Xenguy | ? |
| 03:54.57 | sid | Xenguy: I did that, I don't see it |
| 03:55.00 | sid | that's why I came here |
| 03:55.06 | wols_ | !tell MrTelephone about search |
| 03:55.37 | sid | ahh, I found it. |
| 03:55.40 | sid | flightgear it's called |
| 03:55.49 | MrTelephone | apt-cache search .*mediaproxy.* |
| 03:55.50 | shane` | ahh! dondelelcaro, i found it on an ubuntu site LOL |
| 03:55.57 | simonrvn | fgfl or such... |
| 03:55.58 | shane` | installed now |
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| 03:56.08 | shane` | thanks for your help |
| 03:56.16 | simonrvn | MrTelephone: need to quote that, no need for the . though |
| 03:56.37 | wols_ | shane`: mixing debian and ubuntu will break your system |
| 03:56.53 | shane` | hrm |
| 03:57.03 | shane` | wols_: ah ok.. |
| 03:57.16 | shane` | just out of curiosity.. why? |
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| 03:57.37 | wols_ | cause they are different distros |
| 03:57.46 | shane` | ok fair enough |
| 03:57.51 | shane` | thanks for the heads up |
| 03:58.30 | sid | fgfs simonrvn |
| 03:58.42 | wols_ | shane`: what version of the dbus lib do you need? |
| 03:58.53 | MrTelephone | apt-cache search *switch* |
| 03:58.56 | simonrvn | sid: yeh |
| 03:59.10 | MrTelephone | apt-cache search "*switch*" |
| 03:59.25 | Xenguy | sid: that command gets me more output than I can use <shrug> |
| 03:59.53 | wols_ | MrTelephone: why those "*" ? |
| 04:00.07 | MrTelephone | You can install mediaproxy using the SWITCH Debian package |
| 04:00.15 | MrTelephone | hey where is the switch debian package |
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| 04:00.19 | MrTelephone | is that non-free? |
| 04:00.21 | shane` | wols_: 1-2 |
| 04:00.57 | wols_ | shane`: that's not possible since sid only has 1.1.1 |
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| 04:01.22 | pablo | ahh, my machine crashes due to iceweasel |
| 04:01.25 | wols_ | so 1-2 is a nonsense version |
| 04:01.32 | shane` | hrm well i've got 1-3 installed on etch |
| 04:01.42 | wols_ | shane`: that is no version number |
| 04:01.43 | simonrvn | i get libdbus-glib-1-2 libdbus-1-3 in sid... |
| 04:01.57 | pablo | ahh, my machine crashes due to iceweasel, what can i do |
| 04:01.58 | simonrvn | that's what he's referring to |
| 04:01.59 | shane` | simonrvn: i've got those too |
| 04:02.03 | simonrvn | the -X-Y |
| 04:02.20 | shane` | eh i don't know anything about libdbus, i just know that i need it |
| 04:02.31 | shane` | its complaining about not having libdbus-1.so.2 |
| 04:02.34 | wols_ | k. libdbus I get a 1-2 and a 1-3 in sid |
| 04:02.42 | wols_ | looked for only dbus, mea culpa |
| 04:03.20 | shane` | ah ok |
| 04:03.26 | shane` | interesting |
| 04:03.32 | simonrvn | i did that too, to find those |
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| 04:04.21 | simonrvn | the glib- one obviously has to do with libglib, not useful |
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| 04:07.07 | pablo | hi, iceweasel/firefox/epiphany crash very frequently, is this only a problem of mine? |
| 04:08.02 | Xenguy | pablo: if you run stable, then I would say yes |
| 04:08.33 | pablo | Xenguy: i run etch |
| 04:09.02 | Xenguy | pablo: yes, and etch is stable and can therefore never be unstable :-) |
| 04:09.07 | Xenguy | pablo: right? |
| 04:09.09 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 04:09.19 | simonrvn | pablo: running flash at all, with sound enabled? |
| 04:09.24 | pablo | sorry, i confused, i run lenny |
| 04:09.36 | shane` | hehe |
| 04:09.47 | pablo | Xenguy: if i install etch`s iceweasel, it shouldnt crash? |
| 04:09.48 | simonrvn | which is it? stop lying |
| 04:09.51 | Xenguy | heh - party line FTW |
| 04:11.22 | Zippy2 | Xenguy: iparty? |
| 04:11.24 | Xenguy | pablo: yes, it should not 'crash' |
| 04:11.46 | Xenguy | Zippy2: stream of consciousness mostly :-) |
| 04:11.56 | Zippy2 | ? |
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| 04:12.10 | Xenguy | Zippy2: see what I mean? |
| 04:12.17 | Xenguy | (don't answer that :-) |
| 04:12.28 | stormshadow | http://www.stoptheinnovation.com/ |
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| 04:12.51 | pablo | Xenguy: but isnt it the same? |
| 04:13.14 | Xenguy | pablo: is what the same? |
| 04:13.16 | simonrvn | pablo: lenny's and etch's? no they aren't |
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| 04:14.00 | pablo | simonrvn: iceweasel version on etch and lenny |
| 04:14.01 | Xenguy | pablo: etch = stable; lenny = testing; sid = unstable |
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| 04:14.35 | pablo | yeah i know that |
| 04:14.52 | Xenguy | pablo: sorry, just trying to be clear |
| 04:15.01 | wols_ | stormshadow: stop that spam |
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| 04:17.08 | harold | Zippy2, I've been reading the samba docs some more and from what I can gather it's only possible to allow PAM authentication with unencrypted passwords. But using unencrypted passwords is bad (even if you don't care about security) because NT4 and later win OS's will not use unencrypted passwords without registry hacks. So in short, it's not feasible to have samba authenticate directly from PAM. |
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| 04:18.28 | drbair | when ever my filesystem is under moderate load (say reading at 20MB/s) directory listings get REALLY slow making the system practically unusable. Any thoughts on improving this? |
| 04:18.30 | stormshadow | wols_ these guys gave me a $5 gift card to starbucks @ interop 07 |
| 04:19.59 | pablo | isnt there any good browser that does not crashes? |
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| 04:20.22 | Azar | firefox without images enabled, links, lynx , links2 |
| 04:20.31 | Gm4n | pablo: you may want to consider using a "stable" version of the operating system :P |
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| 04:21.07 | Azar | pablo: you are using what? |
| 04:21.16 | stormshadow | yeah, iceweasel does crash once in a while; but the overall is a b - |
| 04:21.47 | Azar | is not teh browser, but stupid images bugs on some websites |
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| 04:22.05 | pablo | Azar: i am in lenny using iceweasel |
| 04:22.14 | stormshadow | same here |
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| 04:22.32 | pablo | Azar: so i frequent those websites |
| 04:22.38 | briareus | hello all |
| 04:22.42 | Azar | pablo: on "some" sites images, pictures cause the browser to crash. So I browse with no images enabled |
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| 04:23.15 | Azar | on Preferences uncheck "Load images" and try again |
| 04:23.26 | pablo | Azar: and if i want a browser where i can see pics? |
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| 04:23.53 | briareus | I am installing the netinst etch v4.0 to a tower, and using this laptop here as the gateway (my only network option). I'd like to ask someone's step-by-step help to get past the error I am getting. |
| 04:23.55 | Azar | pablo: then tell the webmaster to check why the pics on his site cause your browser to crash |
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| 04:24.42 | Azar | after all these years there are still stupid webmasters |
| 04:24.44 | pablo | Azar: ok the webmaster is a stupid, but that shouldnt make the browser to crash |
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| 04:25.50 | Azar | pablo: if the webmaster does not apply the standard html codes, to comply with the browsers what can you do? |
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| 04:26.39 | briareus | the laptop/gateway's net device to the tower is eth0, ip 192.168.2.100, subnet 255.255.255.0 ...I have set towers ip to: 192.168.2.101, subn 255.255.255.0, default gateway to 192.168.2.0, nameserver to 192.168.2.100 and it fails with no helpful error |
| 04:28.05 | briareus | ah wait, I think I got it |
| 04:28.13 | pablo | Azar: even when i enter my linksys router the browser crashes |
| 04:28.14 | wols_ | briareus: default gateway 192.168.2.0 is not right |
| 04:28.16 | briareus | default gateway to 192.168.2.100, not the 0 |
| 04:28.25 | briareus | yes thanks wols_ that did it |
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| 04:28.41 | briareus | ah crap, but the mirror says it doesnt have the mirror on it |
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| 04:29.53 | wols_ | briareus: are you running a nameserver on the laptop? |
| 04:30.06 | briareus | the step is "configuring apt" and it is at 40% scanning the mirror, then fails (on any mirror I've tried) saying "The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available or does not have a valid release on it" |
| 04:30.15 | briareus | wols_: no, should I put something external on it? |
| 04:30.31 | wols_ | if you don't run a nameserver: yes |
| 04:30.47 | wols_ | what OS on the notebook? |
| 04:31.01 | Zippy2 | i bet ubuntu |
| 04:31.28 | briareus | anyone know of a good "what is my ip" site that will tell me my nameserver ? |
| 04:31.40 | wols_ | briareus: none. cause that can't be known |
| 04:31.51 | wols_ | again: what OS on the notebook |
| 04:32.01 | briareus | SourceMage, definitely NOT ubuntu |
| 04:32.04 | briareus | :) |
| 04:32.15 | briareus | I like debian, not ubuntu, thank you :D |
| 04:32.16 | wols_ | briareus: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:32.18 | odla | briareus: dungeons n' dragons? |
| 04:32.27 | briareus | thanks |
| 04:32.30 | Azar | pablo: for example I used to browse howtoforge site for howto's often now, it will crash my browser, and only if I disable images it works |
| 04:32.49 | wols_ | pablo: any extensions loaded? |
| 04:33.01 | pablo | wols_: no |
| 04:33.09 | wols_ | or tried with a new iceewasel config? |
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| 04:33.40 | briareus | grrr |
| 04:33.50 | pablo | Azar: ok, maybe it will work without photos, but i want to se photos |
| 04:34.05 | pablo | wols_: i use default config |
| 04:34.12 | wols_ | pablo: no you don't |
| 04:34.15 | wols_ | create a new one |
| 04:34.33 | briareus | they all fail with "Bad archive mirror" ...not a great error message imho, but its odd nonetheless |
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| 04:34.38 | Azar | pablo: try this one see if it crashes: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 04:34.58 | wols_ | briareus: go to another virtual console and check your network connectivity |
| 04:35.03 | briareus | or they fail with "installer failed to access the mirror" |
| 04:35.22 | briareus | I didn't know I could open a tty while in the installer |
| 04:35.30 | wols_ | briareus: you do have NAT set up on that notebook? |
| 04:35.34 | briareus | same method? ctrl alt fx ? |
| 04:35.34 | wols_ | and you know it works? |
| 04:36.02 | briareus | wols_: this worked before with 'that proprietary system' an hour ago |
| 04:36.23 | briareus | but I was only booting that to get files off of it before the wipe |
| 04:36.25 | wols_ | then what did you change from windows to debian? |
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| 04:36.45 | briareus | afaik nothing, but this installer is not like the sarge I've used in years past |
| 04:36.51 | wols_ | ah, so you didn't access the internet but only the noteboo9k. again: does your internet work? do you have NAT actually set up? |
| 04:37.06 | briareus | wols_: I thought I did, I could ping the outside world |
| 04:37.17 | briareus | both machines have rebooted since then, perhaps something here changed |
| 04:37.26 | aliljet | hey, I installed a copy of debian (remotely using debootstrap) to a partition on my fc6 box and was trying to boot into it (which seemed to not work, I couldn't ssh into the box), so I had it rebooted back into fc6 -- is there some easy way to tell if the machine even loaded debian or if it failed? (/var/log/dmesg?) |
| 04:37.28 | briareus | and can I go to another tty here in the installer? |
| 04:37.33 | Azar | briareus: show in a paster - the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list to wols |
| 04:37.49 | briareus | Azar: how, the machine can't get online |
| 04:37.53 | wols_ | aliljet: /var/log/kern.log /var/log/syslog |
| 04:38.07 | aliljet | yep, those are empty |
| 04:38.12 | wols_ | Azar: I don't want his sources.list. I want to know if his interweb works |
| 04:38.12 | aliljet | i take it the machine didn't even start then |
| 04:38.20 | Azar | ah ok |
| 04:38.26 | wols_ | aliljet: then it probably didn |
| 04:38.30 | keith4_ | aliljet, did you install ssh? |
| 04:38.32 | wols_ | *didn't |
| 04:38.41 | wols_ | misconfigured grub I'd say |
| 04:38.46 | aliljet | keith4L i did -- but those files are empty anyway, so it's probably a bad grub config.. |
| 04:38.46 | aliljet | yeah |
| 04:39.18 | Azar | briareus: you got a browser installed yet? if not use lynx at command line try accessing google |
| 04:39.28 | aliljet | w00t, i figured it out |
| 04:39.32 | aliljet | i wish there was an easy way to be sure |
| 04:39.32 | briareus | Azar: I'm still in the installer |
| 04:39.40 | Azar | ouch |
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| 04:39.44 | aliljet | by the way, how can I be sure when linux starts it loads the driver neccessary for me ethernet card? |
| 04:40.00 | wols_ | aliljet: put it in /etc/modules |
| 04:40.12 | wols_ | but usually it should start just fine |
| 04:40.25 | Hiendz | alguem fala portugues? |
| 04:40.29 | Azar | !br |
| 04:40.30 | aliljet | wols_: cool. |
| 04:40.30 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:40.32 | wols_ | briareus: have you checked by now? |
| 04:40.39 | briareus | wols_: I'm trying |
| 04:40.45 | briareus | i forget how to check, going over my notes |
| 04:40.48 | wols_ | how? |
| 04:40.50 | briareus | be right with you |
| 04:41.00 | wols_ | ping is a great start... |
| 04:41.16 | briareus | Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT) |
| 04:41.16 | briareus | target prot opt source destination |
| 04:41.16 | briareus | MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.2.0/24 anywhere |
| 04:41.24 | briareus | looks like it is set, now pinging |
| 04:41.48 | briareus | ping successful to the installing tower |
| 04:42.03 | wols_ | that is not what is needed. you need to be on the tower and ping THERE |
| 04:42.04 | briareus | I don't know how to get a prompt on the debian installer |
| 04:42.12 | wols_ | alt+f2 |
| 04:42.33 | briareus | ping: not found :/ |
| 04:42.47 | briareus | no ping command installed yet |
| 04:42.57 | wols_ | then look for any program in /usr/bin /target or /bin that might be usable |
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| 04:43.11 | wols_ | anything that uses the network. e.g. wget perhaps |
| 04:43.21 | wols_ | curl |
| 04:43.22 | wols_ | etc |
| 04:43.23 | briareus | nothing like that in the netinst debian etch |
| 04:43.53 | wols_ | netinst can be installed without any network present and then there is a ping |
| 04:43.56 | briareus | I am looking at the complete sh commandlist for this installer console, no net tools |
| 04:44.21 | Hiendz | REGISTER yy75tt |
| 04:44.33 | keith4_ | nice |
| 04:44.34 | wols_ | Hiendz: now go and set a new password |
| 04:44.42 | briareus | Hiendz: time for a new password |
| 04:44.44 | briareus | fast |
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| 04:45.11 | keith4_ | he didn't register it yet... |
| 04:45.20 | keith4_ | no real harm |
| 04:45.42 | briareus | hmm, with no net tools, I am kind of stuck for trying to ping out from the debian machine |
| 04:46.05 | briareus | the tower has no floppy, I have no thumbdrive, and the cdrom is in use. |
| 04:46.19 | briareus | I might have to end the install until I can take it to another location or something |
| 04:46.22 | wols_ | briareus: the netinst ISO does have network tools. now go and install it |
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| 04:46.29 | wols_ | briareus: wrong |
| 04:47.16 | briareus | wols_: I select the step to select and install software, and it refuses that step, instead bouncing back to the mirror step, as if it will not go past that step until complete |
| 04:47.24 | briareus | every time. |
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| 04:47.52 | wols_ | briareus: don't install any software then |
| 04:47.53 | Azar | briareus: so what is asking is to pick a mirror? |
| 04:48.02 | briareus | wols_: ... |
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| 04:48.06 | wols_ | briareus: you don't need it |
| 04:48.10 | briareus | wols_: you just told me to install the net tools |
| 04:48.18 | wols_ | I told you to install debian |
| 04:48.37 | wols_ | simply debian without any additional things like "standard" "desktop" or whatever |
| 04:49.18 | wols_ | provided you use the 150MB sized netinst ISO all the things to run debian are actually inside that image |
| 04:49.59 | briareus | its booting now |
| 04:51.29 | wols_ | on windows, did you use static IPs or DHCP? |
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| 04:51.57 | briareus | static. Wierd, as I started the network, it automatically chose the ip of the laptop, 192.168.2.100 |
| 04:52.08 | briareus | anyway, resetting to 192.168.2.101 |
| 04:52.27 | briareus | ping both ways work |
| 04:52.59 | wols_ | I did NOT ask you if you could ping the notebook. I asked you if you could ping an internet host! |
| 04:53.13 | briareus | take it easy, I am working on it |
| 04:53.24 | wols_ | "ping google.com" is hard to type? |
| 04:53.35 | briareus | I appreciate the help, seriously, but I am also ... |
| 04:53.41 | briareus | ok |
| 04:53.51 | briareus | unknown host |
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| 04:54.00 | wols_ | then what is in your resolv.conf? |
| 04:54.12 | briareus | the nameservers for our isp |
| 04:54.19 | wols_ | pastebin it |
| 04:55.15 | wols_ | alternatively: ping 64.233.167.99 |
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| 04:57.36 | song[exe] | Does anyone know how to get hibernate working on a laptop that's using nvidia? |
| 04:57.39 | briareus | http://pastebin.com/m69a6aed0 |
| 04:58.24 | briareus | ping 64.233.167.99 ...network unreachable |
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| 04:58.24 | briareus | NAT seems up, but I'm not experienced with it to be sure |
| 04:58.32 | wols_ | briareus: this resolv.conf is from the notebook I gather? who cares about that one? no one |
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| 04:58.43 | wols_ | anyways: fix your sourcemage NAT. it's borken |
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| 04:59.12 | briareus | wols_: I didnt know you meant the debian resolv.conf. That is empty |
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| 04:59.14 | BlueToothz | hi |
| 04:59.24 | wols_ | briareus: when it's empty it can't work, can it? |
| 04:59.45 | wols_ | but: until you fix your NAT you won't have joy. but this is OT here. ask sourcemage people |
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| 05:00.11 | briareus | it's not to do with sourcemage, it's a rule I received help to write in iptables |
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| 05:00.28 | wols_ | I don't care. it's OT in here that's all I care about |
| 05:00.38 | briareus | clearly. |
| 05:01.19 | wols_ | after you fixed the nat (can check by pinging with a IP) you need to fix your /etc/resolv.conf. then it should all work |
| 05:01.30 | wols_ | add a proper sources.list entry |
| 05:01.36 | wols_ | !tell briareus about sources.list |
| 05:01.46 | wols_ | and then you can run tasksel again or aptitude or whatever |
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| 05:03.10 | wols_ | btw: it's most likely your /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 05:03.36 | briareus | its 1 |
| 05:03.44 | briareus | I'm reworking that all now |
| 05:05.45 | BlueToothz | you know whats funny? that you even need to put that into the topic for this channel |
| 05:05.51 | BlueToothz | lol |
| 05:06.20 | BlueToothz | 'this is not <channel>' |
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| 05:07.34 | debian | hey how do you disable, gdm at start up? |
| 05:07.44 | wols_ | considering the dozen people from #ubuntu coming here each day to ask us for help with their distro since their own people are not able to help... it's sorely needed |
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| 05:07.49 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 05:07.49 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 05:09.34 | BlueToothz | hey how do i remove the defualt "epiphany web browser" - reason being is it is bugged out of cooperation. |
| 05:09.50 | wols_ | BlueToothz: like you remove any other package |
| 05:09.58 | BlueToothz | apt-get remove isnt working |
| 05:10.09 | wols_ | !tell BlueToothz about doesn't work |
| 05:10.16 | wols_ | !tell BlueToothz about bat |
| 05:10.22 | Zippy2 | hah im watching this movie american gangster and they have the lenox lounge on 125th and lenox in it. i was there a few months ago :B |
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| 05:10.53 | debian | hey |
| 05:11.17 | debian | how come when i start my gnome my sound card doesn't worked, i have to, restart the alsaconf and is getting annoying i have an ac97 sound card |
| 05:11.59 | wols_ | are sound drivers loaded before using alsaconf? |
| 05:12.05 | Zippy2 | debian: /etc/modules |
| 05:12.08 | debian | 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
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| 05:12.13 | debian | that's my sound card |
| 05:12.22 | Zippy2 | put the module names in /etc/modules |
| 05:12.32 | debian | Zippy2: what modules name do i put ? |
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| 05:12.49 | BlueToothz | i still dont understand wols_ - if your asking me what my output is, its saying i have no packages installed by that name - apt-get |
| 05:12.56 | wols_ | debian: make sure sound works and then pastebin the output of lsmod for us |
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| 05:13.00 | robertp | is it possible to have the stage1 portion of grub point to the stage2 contents on another physical disk? |
| 05:13.13 | wols_ | BlueToothz: the factoid clearly tells you what to do. do it |
| 05:13.32 | wols_ | robertp: yes |
| 05:13.33 | debian | wols_: alrighty |
| 05:13.52 | robertp | wols_: Thanks |
| 05:14.15 | wols_ | robertp: as long as its in the same PC :) |
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| 05:14.36 | wols_ | and as long as both stage1 and stage2 are accessible via int 13h from BIOS |
| 05:15.05 | debian | wols_: i'll pasted the output right away |
| 05:15.45 | BlueToothz | wols_, what? |
| 05:15.49 | debian | wols_: http://www.pastebin.ca/766827 |
| 05:16.02 | robertp | wols_: Do you know offhand how to install the stage1 portion to the MBR of the specific disk? If not, I'll go google. |
| 05:16.09 | debian | snd_via82xx |
| 05:16.12 | debian | is that one |
| 05:16.30 | debian | is it that nane wols_ ? |
| 05:16.54 | wols_ | debian: line 2 to 20 |
| 05:17.06 | wols_ | robertp: grub-install |
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| 05:17.39 | wols_ | robertp: by default, stage2 is always instaled to /boot/grub/ where stage1 will find it |
| 05:17.59 | wols_ | debian: line 20 to 2 are all sound modules |
| 05:18.00 | debian | wols_: i have to put all those? |
| 05:18.08 | wols_ | pretty much :) |
| 05:18.10 | BlueToothz | wols_, i did apt-get remove epiphany-browser. just had the wrong name. dont know why you couldnt just tell me this |
| 05:18.29 | debian | wols_: how do i check which module is it using though.? |
| 05:18.45 | wols_ | BlueToothz: I wanted to know what you typed. what the factoid asked you to do. if you are incapable of following simply directions, then irc support is not for you |
| 05:18.54 | wols_ | people in here are not psychic and know what typos you make |
| 05:19.05 | wols_ | debian: it uses all of them. or what do you mean? |
| 05:19.19 | debian | so i have to put all those on /etc/modules? |
| 05:19.39 | wols_ | debian: actually not all, some are automatically loaded. trouble is, I don't remember offhand which |
| 05:19.58 | BlueToothz | i didnt even tell you whati wrote wols_ |
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| 05:20.03 | debian | wols_: well everytime i started my pc and i want to hear something. perhaps no sound |
| 05:20.07 | wols_ | BlueToothz: that is the problem: you didn't tell |
| 05:20.13 | BlueToothz | sorry dude |
| 05:20.43 | BlueToothz | but i cached the name and found it out |
| 05:20.49 | debian | i'll be back |
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| 05:23.38 | BlueToothz | !tell blue about sid |
| 05:23.52 | aliljet | can anyone give me a quick tutorial on grub? I'm just trying to be very careful about my next reboot, and I want to be sure my config is correct |
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| 05:24.04 | aliljet | there are only a few lines which I'll paste somewhere really fas |
| 05:24.26 | wols_ | pastebin your menu.lst and your device.map |
| 05:24.28 | aliljet | http://rafb.net/p/aWQnHc60.html |
| 05:24.32 | aliljet | aye |
| 05:25.08 | wols_ | aliljet: this is not debian |
| 05:25.24 | wols_ | at least not "2.6.15-1" |
| 05:25.25 | aliljet | http://rafb.net/p/MYs0Bq65.html |
| 05:25.40 | wols_ | also root (hd0,0) is wrong for /dev/hda2. it would be (hd0,1) |
| 05:25.42 | aliljet | (yeah, the title is off, I didn't change that) |
| 05:25.55 | aliljet | are you sure? |
| 05:26.06 | aliljet | the grub configuration files are stored on hd(0,0)... |
| 05:26.19 | aliljet | in the /boot partition |
| 05:26.23 | wols_ | and LFS isn't debian either. |
| 05:26.24 | aliljet | (i pasted my df -h too) |
| 05:26.45 | wols_ | your kernel is stoed on hda1? |
| 05:27.05 | aliljet | it's complicated... my kernels are all stored in my boot partition .. ./dev/hda1... |
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| 05:27.15 | aliljet | I'm trying to convery my fc box to debian right now |
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| 05:27.29 | wols_ | then why mnt/lfs? |
| 05:27.39 | aliljet | so I made my swap into a normal ext3 partition, debootstrapped it, installed debian, and am trying to boot into it |
| 05:27.45 | aliljet | where do you see that? |
| 05:28.12 | wols_ | then the /boot/vmlinuz is wrong. see your FC entries |
| 05:28.24 | aliljet | I was just mounting the old swap to the mnt/lfs folder for no reason |
| 05:28.37 | aliljet | wols_: that was what I was wondering about too ... |
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| 05:28.58 | aliljet | is the root=hd(0,0) supposed to be to ensure grub can find it's configuration stuff? |
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| 05:29.16 | wols_ | no. it so grub can find the kernel it needs to boot |
| 05:29.17 | aliljet | and is the second root=/dev/hda2 for the kernel to know where it's root file system is? |
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| 05:29.28 | aliljet | the kernel is actually there then |
| 05:29.33 | wols_ | yes, that is the root filesystem for linux |
| 05:29.38 | aliljet | and I created a boot folder inside teh boot folder and symlinked everything |
| 05:29.54 | Zippy2 | omg. this jazz club i used to go to all the time was started by the mobster im watching in this movie played by denzel washington |
| 05:29.55 | aliljet | just to be 100% certain things wouldn't fail |
| 05:30.19 | aliljet | does this look vaguely like it could be correct? |
| 05:30.29 | aliljet | one more question |
| 05:30.34 | aliljet | why does /dev/sda appear for hd0 .. |
| 05:30.41 | aliljet | it's definitely /dev/hda inside fedora... |
| 05:30.46 | wols_ | cause there is libata now |
| 05:30.50 | wols_ | depends on the kernel you use |
| 05:31.11 | aliljet | i guess that won't affect anything anyway, it was working before |
| 05:31.17 | aliljet | and i'm sure this box can be rebooted back into fedora |
| 05:31.18 | aliljet | so here goes |
| 05:31.19 | wols_ | with libata all hdds, even IDE ones are /dev/sda |
| 05:31.22 | aliljet | cool |
| 05:31.39 | wols_ | it will mean your kernel won't find its root filesystem |
| 05:31.45 | wols_ | use UUIDs or Labels like fedora |
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| 05:32.10 | aliljet | what do you mean? |
| 05:32.22 | aliljet | oh snap |
| 05:32.27 | aliljet | I just booted into Debian! |
| 05:32.28 | aliljet | yay! |
| 05:32.32 | wols_ | if your kernel recognizes your harddisk as /dev/sda your root=/dev/hda2 will not work |
| 05:32.36 | lgonzal | hi |
| 05:32.37 | aliljet | it booted sooo quickly. |
| 05:32.46 | aliljet | let me see if it failed to find it's root |
| 05:32.56 | wols_ | if it booted, it didn't |
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| 05:33.05 | aliljet | what do you mean? |
| 05:33.10 | aliljet | it did, right? |
| 05:33.46 | aliljet | "/dev/hda2 3.8G 369M 3.2G 11% / |
| 05:33.49 | aliljet | I see that |
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| 05:36.25 | wols_ | it didn't fail to find its root |
| 05:37.24 | lgonzal | I was developed a program on GCC, when I set gcc -c AGENDA.C, this doesnt have any error, but when I put this comand gcc AGENDA.C -o AGENDA show me this error /tmp/ccwgAOzy.o:(.eh_frame+0x11): referencia a `__gxx_personality_v0' sin definir |
| 05:37.25 | lgonzal | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 05:37.25 | lgonzal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.39 | lgonzal | may can you help me?? |
| 05:38.01 | lgonzal | can may you help me? |
| 05:38.02 | lgonzal | SOS |
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| 05:38.56 | aliljet | wicked |
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| 05:39.27 | dondelelcaro | lgonzal: first off, use LANG=C when reporting errors here; secondly, you're most likely not linking with a library that you should be. |
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| 05:40.03 | torrr | I have many messages in my mailbox about anacron not having an adm groupp |
| 05:40.49 | lgonzal | thanks |
| 05:41.12 | Pogonip | I canMy system-tools-backend |
| 05:41.57 | Jyzygzel- | someone give me an example how to use date command |
| 05:42.46 | Pogonip | I can't run users-admin, I keep getting some sort of system-tools-backend error can anyone help? |
| 05:43.26 | torrr | what is group adm? should I have it? |
| 05:43.38 | Jyzygzel- | how do you format date?? |
| 05:44.43 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzel-: man date; has examples. |
| 05:44.48 | Jyzygzel- | no it does NOT |
| 05:44.49 | Crypticfortune | so i have a collection of nodes all netbooting etch via pxe with the exact same hardware and the exact same settings. each has 2 nics (though we only use 1 at the moment). however each node seems to have the second nic assigned to a random number (eg. eth5, eth17, eth10, whatever. in fact none of them are the same). any idea why? |
| 05:45.01 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzel-: well, info date; does for sure. |
| 05:45.14 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like it's that hard to figure out date +'%Y-%m-%d'; |
| 05:45.34 | Jyzygzel- | well wtf |
| 05:45.39 | Jyzygzel- | the manual didn't say anything abou a PLUS |
| 05:45.53 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzel-: date [OPTION]... [+FORMAT] <-- see the plus? |
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| 05:46.24 | Jyzygzel- | ... |
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| 05:47.37 | ma3x | are the konica printers/scanners supported on linux? |
| 05:48.04 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: the PS ones, definetly. Not sure about the scanners, but the sane website will tell you |
| 05:48.32 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, what is PS ? |
| 05:48.35 | Internat3 | anyone knwo if there is a reason there is no bnc package at all in debian/ |
| 05:49.00 | Jyzygzel- | they should really start adding examples to manuals |
| 05:49.07 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, my query is about PAGEPRO 1380MF |
| 05:49.11 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzel-: most manuals have them, and the info manual definetly does. |
| 05:49.25 | Jyzygzel- | didn't even know there is such a thing |
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| 05:50.16 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzel-: there are two very important things to read in manpages: the SYNOPSIS section, and the SEE ALSO section |
| 05:50.45 | dondelelcaro | spending some time reading info coreutils; is also a good idea |
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| 05:52.48 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, it's a multifunction scanner+printer. so it means you can print but not scan on linux? |
| 05:52.52 | wols_ | ma3x: PostScript |
| 05:53.04 | ma3x | wols_, does it scan? |
| 05:53.13 | wols_ | postscript? np |
| 05:53.15 | wols_ | *no |
| 05:54.10 | ma3x | so you can't scan then |
| 05:54.17 | ma3x | poor |
| 05:54.50 | ma3x | do you know any multifunction laser printer that works (+scanning) on linux? |
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| 05:55.07 | asdx | hi |
| 05:55.19 | Sashi | hi |
| 05:55.32 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: not sure if I'd personally bother with a multifunction, unless there are space considerations or an autofeeder involved |
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| 05:55.59 | Sashi | i dont think i recall any multifunction printer working on linux |
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| 05:57.39 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, well from time to time you need to scan or copy some pages. what do you do? |
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| 06:00.59 | Crypticfortune | where does debian decide what number to assign to nics while booting up? (ie: where does it pick what to make eth0 and what to make eth24?) |
| 06:01.16 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, you go to a cyber cafe to print a single page they charge you €2 |
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| 06:04.19 | crolle17 | how to solve my linking-problem? i did: sudo ln -s /mnt/daten /Desktop --> cd /Desktop --> sudo unlink /Desktop --> cd /Desktop --> bash: cd: /Desktop: No such file or directory |
| 06:05.25 | lgonzal | Hola alguien habla español |
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| 06:07.34 | asdx | lgonzal: yo |
| 06:07.57 | troubled | !z25 |
| 06:07.57 | dpkg | [z25] as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 06:08.02 | troubled | Crypticfortune: ^^ |
| 06:08.06 | lgonzal | asdx sera que me puedes ayudar con un problema que tengo en gcc |
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| 06:08.31 | anom01y | how do I add users to udev so I can access USB from another user ? |
| 06:08.35 | anom01y | er group |
| 06:08.53 | asdx | lgonzal: cual es el problema? |
| 06:08.54 | Crypticfortune | troubled: cool. thanks! |
| 06:08.58 | troubled | crolle17: mount --bind /mnt/daten /some/place/else |
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| 06:09.36 | wols_ | crolle17: read the topic please |
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| 06:10.20 | crolle17 | wols_, sorry |
| 06:10.34 | lgonzal | mira es que tengo un programa que hice en turbo c para windows y me funciona perfecto, lo compilo con gcc y no me genera error pero al tratar de obtener el ejecutable me saca este error y no tengo idea que peuede ser |
| 06:10.39 | lgonzal | AGENDA.o:(.eh_frame+0x11): referencia a `__gxx_personality_v0' sin definir |
| 06:10.40 | lgonzal | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 06:10.43 | wols_ | !es |
| 06:10.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:10.49 | troubled | crolle17: although im not really sure what your problem is. your cd'ing into a location you removed |
| 06:11.04 | wols_ | troubled: he's an ubuntu user. why are you asking? |
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| 06:11.46 | wols_ | lgonzal: have you installed build-essential? |
| 06:12.05 | crolle17 | troubled, sorry. i'm not allowed to speak here. |
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| 06:13.09 | troubled | wols_: i had no clue |
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| 06:14.43 | lgonzal | yes i have installed |
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| 06:22.45 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 06:25.42 | briareus | what driver would you use for an Intel 82865G integrated grfx card if VESA won't provide any usable modes? |
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| 06:26.16 | briareus | modes like 1024x768 800x600 ...i get an error in the log of (EE) screens found but none have a usable configuration |
| 06:28.04 | torrr | I get errors about logrotate that don't have adm group, but I do have an adm group. ??? |
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| 06:31.05 | Crypticfortune | briareus: that card should run with the i810 driver, shouldn't it? |
| 06:31.13 | briareus | I' |
| 06:31.18 | briareus | I'll try thanks |
| 06:31.59 | briareus | another question: I just completed an install of x-window-system-core, but I have no xorgconfig or xorgcfg command... how can I use apt to find what package provides such a command? |
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| 06:33.07 | briareus | Crypticfortune: the i810 worked, by the way thanks |
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| 06:34.18 | wols_ | briareus: that command is not in debian |
| 06:34.23 | wols_ | !tell briareus about drxx |
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| 06:34.55 | briareus | thanks |
| 06:35.47 | briareus | well, this is the first time I've run KDE on my own machine since... 2002? |
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| 06:38.38 | Nyle | kkde kicks ass |
| 06:38.55 | briareus | a matter of opinion, but many agree with you |
| 06:39.04 | Nyle | why state the obvious? |
| 06:39.10 | Nyle | of course its an opinion. |
| 06:39.48 | briareus | this is a very terse channel |
| 06:40.08 | briareus | just like I remember from back in the day |
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| 06:41.56 | aliljet | .europe |
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| 06:42.00 | aliljet | .asis |
| 06:42.09 | aliljet | ugh |
| 06:42.19 | aliljet | that was meant for a stupid stocks channel on efnet |
| 06:42.20 | aliljet | my bad |
| 06:42.22 | Nyle | are you smoking crack? |
| 06:42.23 | Nyle | ;) |
| 06:42.25 | aliljet | hehe |
| 06:42.28 | Nyle | j/k |
| 06:42.39 | aliljet | ;) |
| 06:42.53 | Nyle | I want a donut |
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| 06:43.15 | Nyle | cream filled chocolate donut, or maybe a choc. glazed donut |
| 06:43.34 | briareus | a matter of opinion, but many agree with you |
| 06:43.35 | briareus | ;) |
| 06:43.40 | briareus | as do I |
| 06:43.49 | briareus | a choco donut sounds awesome right now |
| 06:44.19 | Nyle | its too cold outside |
| 06:44.33 | Nyle | my parked is car over 2 blocks away |
| 06:44.39 | Nyle | er.. car is parked |
| 06:44.52 | Nyle | there is a dunkin donut like 3 miles away |
| 06:45.47 | Nyle | I don't like to eat much |
| 06:45.56 | Nyle | so I'm always hungry, and I got fatter |
| 06:46.13 | Nyle | I can't believe it. I hardly eat anything, and not very active though, but I'm getting fat |
| 06:46.22 | Nyle | I'm 152 lbs now man, it sucks |
| 06:46.22 | briareus | this is the only time of year it is tolerable to be outside at night |
| 06:46.27 | briareus | here in Phoenix |
| 06:46.32 | Nyle | im in nyc |
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| 06:46.40 | Nyle | its freezing outside |
| 06:47.10 | briareus | 68F outside here at 23:47 |
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| 06:47.19 | briareus | but in the summer its simply stupid hot |
| 06:47.25 | Nyle | !pot |
| 06:47.25 | dpkg | pot is probably what dd's smoke and eat, or the primary reason for weird commits from the Dutch developers Yummmmmm..... Plain Old Text |
| 06:47.32 | Nyle | lol |
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| 06:48.11 | Nyle | should rename it to 'doobian' |
| 06:48.12 | Nyle | hehe' |
| 06:48.18 | simonrvn | heh |
| 06:48.25 | Nyle | mr. raven |
| 06:48.28 | briareus | HAHA, there is a card game in KDE called "Lieutenant Skat"? hahaha |
| 06:48.35 | simonrvn | anyone does heimdal kerby and OL? |
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| 06:48.43 | simonrvn | 'ello dere mr. Nyle |
| 06:48.55 | Nyle | whats kickin ? |
| 06:48.56 | Dariuss | helo |
| 06:49.23 | Nyle | man |
| 06:49.24 | simonrvn | playing with my kdc, trying to get it to use another objectClass |
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| 06:49.52 | simonrvn | 'account' is very limited, and i'm afraid i'll have to mod the schema or the heimdal source ... :/ |
| 06:49.52 | Nyle | thick cotton leggings under my pants, thick cotton undershirt under my shirt, a warm hat, and two pairs of socks |
| 06:49.58 | Nyle | that shit bottles in the heat man I tell ya |
| 06:50.17 | Nyle | simonrvn: ok good luck with it |
| 06:50.24 | Nyle | simonrvn: I'm about to to go the moon |
| 06:50.44 | simonrvn | i got a sweater, pair of longjohns, longjohn shirt and a t-shirt |
| 06:50.52 | Nyle | socks? |
| 06:50.53 | simonrvn | to th moon? ;) |
| 06:50.58 | simonrvn | yeh a pair |
| 06:51.21 | simonrvn | (still need to seal up the transom in the apt., hehe |
| 06:51.23 | simonrvn | ) |
| 06:51.33 | Nyle | i love sicks |
| 06:51.36 | rokra | Why sometimes , I modify the /etc/network/interfaces and to apply the change I do /etc/init.d/networking restart but it doesn t work, is there other solution to apply change? |
| 06:51.36 | Nyle | yeh the moon |
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| 06:51.51 | simonrvn | Nyle: enjoy |
| 06:52.17 | simonrvn | sometimes i almost miss it |
| 06:52.43 | Nyle | rokra: as root do this; sudo ifdown eth(x-being the number like eth1 eth0 whatever) so like, sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 |
| 06:52.54 | Nyle | rokra: why isn't /etc/init.d/networking restart working? |
| 06:52.59 | Nyle | do you get any error messages? |
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| 06:53.33 | simonrvn | i tend to use stop then start, seems to give it enough time to clear out porperly, even with the sleep in there |
| 06:53.39 | Nyle | yeh me too |
| 06:54.18 | simonrvn | ifdown/ifup seems to give it enough time too |
| 06:54.30 | Nyle | just do /etc/init.d/networking stop; sleep 5; /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 06:54.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:54.42 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:55.11 | rokra | Nyle: MAY BE THE SLEEP , I added some route in the network file |
| 06:55.39 | simonrvn | rokra: more likely you need to add a pre-down rule to clear the route |
| 06:55.49 | rokra | Nyle: Just to be sure that the syntax is correct , I want to reload the file and dont want to add them manually |
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| 06:56.39 | Nyle | rokra: I don't understand what you are saying |
| 06:57.13 | Nyle | !wayttd rokra |
| 06:57.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rokra? |
| 06:57.32 | Nyle | by the way, rokra in my language means money |
| 06:57.34 | Nyle | lots of money |
| 06:57.47 | Nyle | specifically large amounts of cash |
| 06:57.49 | Nyle | ;D |
| 06:58.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:58.12 | Crypticfortune | is there some handy way to get udev to unload and reload a network driver? (i want to see if my changes to z25_persistent-net.rules work ok without rebooting) |
| 06:58.46 | Nyle | network driver can be unloaded/reloaded by loading/unloading the driver module |
| 06:59.05 | Nyle | unless you specifically mean device nodes |
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| 06:59.53 | Crypticfortune | Nyle: er yes, sorry, that's what i mean. the drivers are in the kernel, not a module |
| 07:00.11 | Nyle | Crypticfortune: are they not build-able as modules? |
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| 07:00.21 | Nyle | but anyway, to answer your question, I don't know :( |
| 07:00.56 | briareus | there's a way, I forget how. |
| 07:01.01 | briareus | i mean a way other than a restart |
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| 07:01.20 | Crypticfortune | Nyle: they probably are, but these boxes are netbooting from a pxe server, so putting them in a module would be inconvenient |
| 07:01.31 | Nyle | hmm |
| 07:01.39 | rokra | I just added to ( up route add -net ......) in the interfaces file . Then I restart the networking script .However using netstat -rn ( nothing new appears ) why? |
| 07:02.22 | Coweater | i'm trying to remove a bunch of files with rm `locate blah`, but rm comes back with "Argument list too long", is there any way around this? |
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| 07:03.17 | Coweater | oh, xargs and find |
| 07:03.47 | Gokee2 | Is there a way to find out what commands a package provides? |
| 07:04.02 | Nyle | Gokee2: sure, dpkg -L package|grep bin |
| 07:04.16 | Nyle | or grep .sh sometimes too |
| 07:04.29 | Nyle | for some scripts located in /usr/share blahblah |
| 07:04.50 | Gokee2 | Nyle, Hmm that command on ace-of-penguins did not turn up anything |
| 07:06.08 | Gokee2 | Hmm I found it by guessing though |
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| 07:06.19 | Gokee2 | they are all ace_* commands |
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| 07:07.09 | Nyle | Coweater: it shouldn't, it works here for me |
| 07:07.31 | Nyle | Coweater: all it told me was can't remove blah, it is a directory, so I added -rf to it and voila |
| 07:07.43 | Nyle | blah was removed everywhere it was found by locate |
| 07:07.49 | up365 | just installed/upgraded from etch - lenny but only have command line interface, what's going on ? |
| 07:08.14 | Nyle | Coweater: what do you mean about xargs and find, what exacly is the command you are using? |
| 07:08.30 | Nyle | !tell up365 -about install x |
| 07:08.37 | Nyle | or was it |
| 07:08.38 | Nyle | !setup x |
| 07:08.38 | dpkg | To set up X in etch or later, "aptitude install xserver-xorg". Generally, say "no" to the question about the framebuffer. Also ask me about <drxx> for reconfiguring the xserver. |
| 07:09.00 | up365 | thank you |
| 07:09.02 | Nyle | sure |
| 07:09.03 | Coweater | locate returns too long a list for rm to handle, so you use find and pipe it into xargs, like find ./ -name "blah" -print0|xargs -0 rm |
| 07:09.17 | Nyle | ok |
| 07:10.28 | up365 | !drxx |
| 07:10.28 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 07:23.30 | zarac | so.. hmm... How come the owner of a file cannot change the group of it? ... |
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| 07:25.57 | blj | sorry for offtopic, need to know in Apache2 how i can override ServerAlias *.domain.tld for a sub-domain name that needs a different virtual host? i also have set global NameVirtualHost * |
| 07:26.55 | mrkorn315 | I cannot get flash to work in IW on AMD64, I've installed the flashplayer-mozilla and the nspluginwrapper from the repo dpkg told me |
| 07:26.56 | mandrigal | weird question; does anyone know a source tree with a debian subdirectory i can stare at? |
| 07:27.03 | mrkorn315 | its still saying I need to install flash |
| 07:27.40 | drc | blj: googletip http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=560613 |
| 07:27.58 | sep | zarac, you can change the group of a file only for groups your a member of |
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| 07:28.19 | blj | drc thanks, looking at it |
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| 07:28.44 | ritpumpa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:29.45 | caveman_ | mrkorn315: try flashplugin-nonfree - u using firefox? |
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| 07:29.45 | drc | blj: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/en/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 07:29.50 | drc | hopefully they are what you are looking for |
| 07:29.54 | zarac | so sep ... i could change the group to .. say "audio" or whatever it's called since i am a part of it? |
| 07:30.03 | zarac | but not to www-data since i'm not.. ? |
| 07:30.05 | sep | zarac, i belive so |
| 07:30.11 | zarac | i'll have to try that =D |
| 07:30.13 | zarac | thanks |
| 07:30.15 | blj | drc: yes been there, tried it. will try to make the wildcard a default |
| 07:30.17 | blj | thanks anyway |
| 07:30.18 | sep | zarac, and the reson why not should be ovious :) |
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| 07:30.26 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: this is my about:plugins section regaurding flash http://pastebin.ca/766892 |
| 07:30.37 | zarac | why? it's not obvious to me =D |
| 07:31.03 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: I'm using IW in Etch AMD64 |
| 07:31.19 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: I needed the nspluginwrapper since I guess flash is 32bit |
| 07:32.08 | Veeven | hello. I recently installed lenny. I have trouble connecting it to internet |
| 07:33.14 | Veeven | in the network settings (System > Administration > Networking), I chose DHCP |
| 07:33.33 | caveman_ | mrkorn315: thought you may be able to use the 32bit version? there isn't a 64 bit version? |
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| 07:34.41 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: thats what I am saying. it says I need nspluginwrapper to install, and about:plugins says its working, but I am still getting a dialog saying I must install flash 7.0 or better when I goto google video |
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| 07:34.55 | sep | zarac, becouse you should not be able to make a executeable. set sgid on it, and change the group to root. |
| 07:35.17 | mrkorn315 | !nspluginwrapper |
| 07:35.17 | dpkg | i heard nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in contrib on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 07:35.44 | zarac | sep: makes sense... but wouldn't it be enough to not be able to change the group to root? =D |
| 07:35.49 | mrkorn315 | I installed flashplugin-mozilla and the nspluginwrapper from that repo and about:plugins says I have flash 9.0 |
| 07:35.55 | mrkorn315 | yet it won't play flash |
| 07:36.04 | zarac | and sorry.. but what is sgid? =D |
| 07:36.25 | sep | zarac, becouse root is not the only important account on a system |
| 07:36.34 | zarac | =D |
| 07:36.36 | mrkorn315 | I feel like I'm waiting for things to catch up to me on AMD64 |
| 07:36.52 | mrkorn315 | its like my hardware is too new for the software community |
| 07:37.03 | caveman_ | mrkorn315: are you trying to use shockwave? That will probably take wine wouldn't it? |
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| 07:37.19 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: no I am trying to use flash, video.google.com |
| 07:37.51 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: shockwave works well with that crossover from my experience, but I'm not worried about that.. I'm sure it will be a bitch on AMD64 too |
| 07:38.15 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: flash is also known as "Shockwave Flash" |
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| 07:38.27 | mrkorn315 | but its different from the Shockwave you are thinking of |
| 07:38.54 | zarac | sed: this gave me a bit more meat on my bones.. but i still don't see the security risk of changing the group =D |
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| 07:41.09 | caveman_ | mrkorn315: are you installing the plugin before installing the wrapper, right? |
| 07:41.29 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: I just selected them both in the synaptic package manager |
| 07:41.42 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: and restarted iceweasel |
| 07:41.49 | zarac | ah... sep ... i'm reading up on SGID .. now it makes a bit more sense to me |
| 07:41.58 | caveman_ | i think the wrapper has to be installed after the plugin so it can search |
| 07:42.00 | zarac | and sorry sed i highlighted wrong ;) |
| 07:42.31 | caveman_ | the wrapper has to search for the plugins |
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| 07:43.30 | caveman_ | maybe that's it :P |
| 07:43.56 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: na there seems to be a command I can run to install plugins that came with it |
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| 07:44.38 | caveman_ | sorry, i dunno, i'm 32bit and clueless |
| 07:45.01 | fireba11 | woho, a 32bit caveman_ :_) |
| 07:45.26 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure should take care of the searching |
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| 07:47.05 | mrkorn315 | caveman_: its nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so and that didn't make it work, I restarted IW after installing the wrapper |
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| 07:47.39 | caveman_ | yup, i'm going to wait until 64bit is the norm, i like to keep it easy on myself |
| 07:47.49 | caveman_ | that should have worked though |
| 07:47.56 | frold_ | howto enable mod_rewrite on Debian 4 in apache? |
| 07:48.04 | Nyle | its easy enough |
| 07:48.14 | Nyle | !amd64 |
| 07:48.15 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 07:48.28 | Nyle | the howto explains how to run 32bit stuff in 64bit |
| 07:48.40 | Nyle | so really there shouldn't be any problems running amd64 |
| 07:48.53 | wols_ | theory and practice Nyle |
| 07:49.01 | Nyle | well yes |
| 07:49.01 | mrkorn315 | Nyle: right that will be a good read but I did the nspluginwrapper factoid, and I have nspluginwrapper installed but its not working for flash in IW |
| 07:49.18 | mrkorn315 | Nyle: I was also wondering about that for running 32bit applications though |
| 07:49.18 | Nyle | so, install a 32bit browser ? |
| 07:49.26 | mrkorn315 | hah |
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| 07:50.17 | caveman_ | mrkorn315: ya, i bet it's gonna be a 32bit browser for you for a while. |
| 07:51.26 | Nyle | what is the height of laziness? |
| 07:51.35 | Nyle | a man lying on top of a woman, waiting for an earthquake. |
| 07:51.45 | Nyle | get off yer butt and do some research/reading :) |
| 07:52.17 | mrkorn315 | Nyle: I just read the whole DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 07:52.28 | caveman_ | ya know, without geometry, there would be no point :P |
| 07:52.30 | mrkorn315 | Nyle: I've been reading around here longer than you :P |
| 07:53.03 | Nyle | yay! you win a cookie. |
| 07:53.24 | enveezee | I like cookies |
| 07:53.36 | Nyle | oye maaaaate |
| 07:53.40 | enveezee | I also like working plugins at times |
| 07:53.42 | Nyle | whats up |
| 07:53.45 | enveezee | not much |
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| 07:54.01 | Nyle | I seem to have lost a pipe |
| 07:54.04 | Nyle | somewhere |
| 07:54.06 | enveezee | 32bit browse mean I need a whole 32bit install with X? |
| 07:54.11 | enveezee | in a chroot? |
| 07:54.41 | Nyle | no |
| 07:54.47 | Nyle | read the amd64 howto |
| 07:54.51 | Nyle | you can also use ia32lis |
| 07:54.52 | Nyle | libs |
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| 07:56.27 | nesca | elo all :) |
| 07:56.32 | Nyle | hi |
| 07:56.55 | caveman_ | how the el r ya? |
| 07:57.21 | Nyle | modem. |
| 07:57.35 | nesca | i have problem with nscd daemon, i have 64bit arch, and nscd sometimes crash immidiately :( and i don't know why |
| 07:57.48 | zinx | that is no reason to omit 70% of the letters. |
| 07:57.56 | nesca | maybe smb. seen that? |
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| 07:58.10 | folken | nscd is a very broken piece of software. |
| 07:58.25 | enveezee | well I'm gonna give the 32bit chroot a go then I guess |
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| 07:58.28 | nesca | ehhh |
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| 07:58.48 | folken | i have seen people use monit to keep it running. |
| 07:58.49 | enveezee | seems simple enough.. and if all I need is a base install and a few apps that shouldnt take long |
| 07:58.51 | crm | when i plug in a firewire camera.. should i see something in dmesg? |
| 07:59.11 | Nyle | yay |
| 07:59.13 | nesca | but maybe is some patch on this, in logs i don't see enything :( |
| 07:59.20 | frold_ | never mind solved |
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| 07:59.35 | drwahl | i use Mac OS sometimes, and with it, i use a program called parallels. is there a program that is similar to parallels for linux? i assume vmware might be the closest thing... |
| 07:59.52 | enveezee | Nyle: actually |
| 08:00.08 | enveezee | how do I just install 32bit apps to try the ia32-libs? |
| 08:00.11 | caveman_ | crm: i would think that hal would plugin and show a removable drive |
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| 08:00.27 | crm | damn |
| 08:00.32 | crm | caveman_, i've got nothing |
| 08:00.34 | enveezee | like how would I pull the debian i386 version of the iceweasel to replace this one? |
| 08:02.08 | caveman_ | crm: maybe you need to put your camera in some kinda file transfer mode. |
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| 08:02.13 | enveezee | can synaptic do that or do I have to use aptitude? |
| 08:02.18 | Veeven | debian amd64 lenny is not getting IP and gw and netmask details from DHCP server. Thus not connecting to internet. any suggestions? |
| 08:02.31 | crm | caveman_, i think ive found the problem =(( |
| 08:02.54 | crm | caveman_, the pcmcia card im running it off is one of those no-name models |
| 08:03.09 | crm | caveman_, i have a bad feeling that it isn't supplying power |
| 08:03.25 | caveman_ | :( |
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| 08:04.06 | caveman_ | that sucs dino butt |
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| 08:04.51 | crm | you can say that again |
| 08:05.11 | caveman_ | that blows raptor as5 |
| 08:05.14 | crm | rotten snot gobblers |
| 08:05.58 | caveman_ | POS hardware anyway |
| 08:06.00 | crm | thanks caveman_ = |
| 08:06.02 | crm | ) |
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| 08:07.57 | enveezee | I take it if I use ia32-libs I can't have i386 packages managed by my package manager on AMD64? |
| 08:08.07 | enveezee | I don't see anything about this in the FAQ or howto |
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| 08:08.37 | enveezee | it would be nice to have the package system just replace iceweasel 64 with teh 32 bit and let me use it with the ia32-libs |
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| 08:17.32 | arash | what is the BIGMEM kernel? |
| 08:17.48 | dalias | its for >4gb ram systems i think |
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| 08:18.06 | dalias | dont use it unless you need it |
| 08:18.19 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:18.55 | simonrvn | dimir: hi there |
| 08:19.32 | arash | I have a 16GB box :P |
| 08:19.35 | arash | (server) |
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| 08:20.08 | simonrvn | 16 GB what? HDD? :P |
| 08:20.12 | arash | ;) |
| 08:20.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:20.25 | arash | also, is there an i686 iso image? |
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| 08:21.06 | simonrvn | no, use i386 |
| 08:21.14 | arash | and just upgrade the kernel later? |
| 08:21.19 | simonrvn | (it's not just for i386 ;) |
| 08:21.27 | arash | haha |
| 08:21.35 | simonrvn | you have your selection of kernel during install |
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| 08:21.49 | arash | oh right |
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| 08:23.41 | axscode | hi, is there like a ghex on debian netinstall |
| 08:23.51 | wols_ | simonrvn: there is no "i386" kernel anymore |
| 08:23.56 | wols_ | there is only the platform i386 |
| 08:24.01 | arash | if I go with an i386 install and upgrade the kernel later, all my other packages won't take advantage of the i686 instructions, right? |
| 08:24.10 | wols_ | arash: not right |
| 08:24.20 | arash | oh |
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| 08:24.24 | arash | how does it work then? =O |
| 08:24.26 | mancubus | Hello! |
| 08:24.30 | wols_ | the only other 686 package I know of is libc6 |
| 08:24.34 | simonrvn | wols_: i didn't say that |
| 08:24.37 | arash | ah |
| 08:24.40 | mancubus | How I can count amount of string in file? |
| 08:24.51 | wols_ | < simonrvn> no, use i386 |
| 08:25.00 | simonrvn | i was talking about the iso <arash> also, is there an i686 iso image? |
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| 08:27.08 | Sampppa_ | hey |
| 08:27.26 | Sampppa_ | can someone answer to few questions about making a deb package |
| 08:27.41 | wols_ | !tell Sampppa_ about ask |
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| 08:29.17 | Sampppa_ | i create a deb package. and when installing it i want it to create a folder which is writable to everyone. i can do chmod 777 in debian/rules file but after installing deb package, permissions for the folder are only for root |
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| 08:31.18 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: yes? |
| 08:31.32 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: which directory is that? |
| 08:31.35 | Sampppa_ | what should i do to make it writable for everyone, without manually chmodding it |
| 08:31.45 | Sampppa_ | its /usr/share/myapp |
| 08:31.47 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: and 777 is probably not best, better write it into README.Debian ? |
| 08:31.56 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: you can't make /usr writabel, some people mount it ro |
| 08:32.11 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: man dh_fixperms |
| 08:32.34 | Sampppa_ | what would be a better folder to use as writable ? |
| 08:32.36 | Deltantor | Heh, chmod 777 is what i use when im too lazy to figure out what i should set it too |
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| 08:33.09 | tarzeau | Deltantor: very very bad |
| 08:33.22 | Deltantor | Well, im the only one who uses this pc |
| 08:33.30 | Deltantor | So I allow myself to be a little lazy :P |
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| 08:33.59 | tarzeau | Deltantor: hard to get rid of bad habits... |
| 08:34.28 | Deltantor | vermi, I joined all of the debian help channels to freak you out :P |
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| 08:34.34 | vermi | snrk |
| 08:34.39 | Deltantor | Well, im here, on OFTC, and efnet |
| 08:35.39 | Sampppa_ | tarzeau: where should i create that folder which will get writable permissions? |
| 08:36.07 | vermi | Well, here is my question, #debian: I'm trying to get the most recent version of OOo (2.3), but the most current one available in etch is 2.0.4. So I switched all of my repos in sources.list from etch to experimental, did an apt-get update, and apt-get dist-ugprade openoffice.org, but it upgrades 0 items. Any thoughts? |
| 08:36.34 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: what software is it? why does it need write permission? |
| 08:36.39 | wols_ | vermi: experimental is no debian branch |
| 08:36.47 | Deltantor | Sid is though |
| 08:36.50 | tarzeau | wols_: it's an extension? |
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| 08:37.17 | vermi | wols_: experimental was certainly listed on the debian website |
| 08:37.20 | tarzeau | wols_: i'd still call it branch, if one calls stable, testing, sid branches (it's just not coupled to pkg moves and not complete) |
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| 08:37.28 | tarzeau | vermi: yes it's official, and exists |
| 08:37.33 | wols_ | tarzeau: the trouble is the "not complete" thing |
| 08:37.49 | Sampppa_ | tarzeau: its my own program which creates a html file, so thats why that folder should be writable that the program can write that file |
| 08:37.51 | tarzeau | wols_: that is the reason to not call it branch? then call it what? |
| 08:37.55 | cydork | vermi: it is not a full branch like sid or testing. It doesn't have all the packages.. |
| 08:38.06 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: why can't the html be written to the current directory? |
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| 08:38.17 | vermi | it unfortunately happens to be the only one with OOo 2.3 |
| 08:38.22 | wols_ | tarzeau: with a branch you can get a full debian system at any time. a broken system perhaps but a complete one |
| 08:38.24 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: i mean this is not MS-DOS where everyone can write to everywhere |
| 08:38.26 | wols_ | with experimental not so |
| 08:38.43 | tarzeau | wols_: where is this definition? in some official debian document? |
| 08:38.46 | cydork | vermi: well did you try backports.org? |
| 08:38.51 | tarzeau | wols_: so old-stable is a branch too? |
| 08:39.00 | wols_ | tarzeau: yes. it'S complete |
| 08:39.01 | tarzeau | wols_: and what about sid+experimental? |
| 08:39.02 | Sampppa_ | tarzeau: i know.. but it needs to be somewhere where my webserver can find it |
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| 08:39.10 | wols_ | sid alone is a branch |
| 08:39.19 | tarzeau | Sampppa_: do you know ~/public_html ? |
| 08:39.24 | tarzeau | wols_: and the both? |
| 08:39.31 | Sampppa_ | tarzeau: hah yeah, but its running on maemo device |
| 08:39.33 | wols_ | tarzeau: on which official debian doc is experimental a branch? |
| 08:39.37 | dalias | sampppa_, what are you trying to package? |
| 08:39.42 | vermi | i'll take a look, cydork |
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| 08:39.52 | dalias | making a world-writable directory is almost surely not a good thing to do.. |
| 08:39.52 | Sampppa_ | tarzeau: i dont have apacahe on it, and webserver i use is the one thath comes with vlc |
| 08:39.55 | dalias | for a package |
| 08:39.59 | cydork | tarzeau: experimental doesn't have all the packages.. hence it's not a complete branch.. it's repository.. |
| 08:40.00 | tarzeau | wols_: i asked you about the definition of branch. i don't know the answer to your question (nor mine) |
| 08:40.17 | wols_ | a complete debian, not a incomplete one |
| 08:40.22 | tarzeau | cydork: the question was not if it's a complete branch or not. it was is it a branch or is it not? ah call it repository |
| 08:40.41 | tarzeau | dalias: especially not in /usr |
| 08:40.51 | dalias | uhg.. |
| 08:40.54 | cydork | tarzeau: yes. it is nothing more than a repository.. |
| 08:41.02 | dalias | creating dirs under /usr violates policy, doesn't it? |
| 08:41.23 | dalias | regardless of whether they're writable |
| 08:41.46 | wols_ | I doubt that |
| 08:41.48 | enveezee | well it seems trying to run firefox ia32 on amd64 isnt working either it wont load any pages at all while other browsers will |
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| 08:42.00 | wols_ | a non X system doesn't need /usr/X11R6/ so it shouldn't have it |
| 08:42.09 | wols_ | hence x-window-system creates it |
| 08:42.14 | Sampppa_ | so what would be a correct data directory for my program, where it is allowed for program to write |
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| 08:42.41 | wols_ | some place under /var |
| 08:42.54 | dalias | wols_, but X11R6 is expliciatly allowed in policy, i would expect |
| 08:42.58 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:43.18 | wols_ | dalias: makes still no sense. a deb can create dirs there and write to them. just not normal apps |
| 08:43.22 | dalias | sampppa_, what is your program and why does it need systemwide data independent of user? |
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| 08:44.49 | Sampppa_ | dalias: im making a program which uses vlc to stream, and vlc httpd, my program generates html file with given parameters which can be viewable trough http |
| 08:44.52 | tarzeau | cydork: and the others are complete repositories, also called branches. all fine now |
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| 08:45.17 | dalias | there's no reason the directory should be world-writable |
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| 08:45.38 | Sampppa_ | okey |
| 08:45.43 | dalias | users need to manually either chown it or setup group permissions for whoever should be able to write there |
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| 08:46.01 | Sampppa_ | so where sould i create that dir and what should be correct permissions for it? |
| 08:46.08 | dalias | making it world-writable is circumventing security |
| 08:46.16 | frog | hi, http://www.pastebin.ca/766914 . i'm runnig only icewm & firefox. is it normal, that so much memory is used? |
| 08:46.25 | vermi | cydork et al: backports only has 2.2.1, but that's at least better than 2.0.4 |
| 08:46.26 | wols_ | Sampppa_: under /var somewhere. owned by whoever writes to it, 644 |
| 08:46.36 | dalias | wols_, directories need +x |
| 08:46.40 | dalias | so 755 not 644 |
| 08:46.43 | vermi | they added the ability to read Open XML formats in 2.2 anyway, didn't they? |
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| 08:46.49 | Sampppa_ | i need to make it so that user doesnt have to chmod anything and after installing .deb and when run program will be able to write that html file |
| 08:46.49 | wols_ | k |
| 08:47.00 | dalias | sampppa_, no, that is bogus |
| 08:47.09 | dalias | it circumvents all notions of security |
| 08:47.10 | cydork | vermi: true.. :) |
| 08:47.29 | dalias | the user must chown things if that's what they want |
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| 08:49.03 | Sampppa_ | are u saying that if i configure my package so that it will create a folder for example /var/tmp/myapp/ and if i configure my program to write html to that folder, and it will be able to write that dir? |
| 08:49.32 | dalias | 1. unix does not have folders |
| 08:49.49 | Sampppa_ | dir i mean |
| 08:49.55 | dalias | 2. /var/tmp is already world-writable and is not a place to create permanent directories intended to last |
| 08:50.18 | vermi | well, thanks for the suggestion cydork. i'll be back if i have any more questions :) |
| 08:51.04 | dalias | 3. if you're talking about users creating and modifying files for a server running on the machine, then the operator needs to setup appropriate permissions manually. default must not give all users permission. this is not dos/windows. |
| 08:51.08 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | hi guys, any news about debian sid updates? |
| 08:51.34 | Sampppa_ | dalias: this is nokia n800 maemo device, where default user has no root permissions |
| 08:51.59 | dalias | wow i discovered a simple trick to greatly improve font rendering and fix the pixel jitter glitches in firefox |
| 08:52.07 | dalias | change X resolution from 100dpi to 96dpi |
| 08:52.27 | dalias | 100dpi is bogus because there is no sane correspondence between points and pixels |
| 08:52.37 | dalias | 96dpi makes the font hinting actually work right |
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| 08:53.44 | dalias | because 72/96 = 3/4 |
| 08:54.32 | dalias | and 72/100 = 18/25 = bleh |
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| 08:57.56 | Maulkin_ | Sampppa_: even on maemo devices the packages are installed as root. |
| 08:58.21 | Sampppa_ | yeas |
| 08:58.22 | Sampppa_ | -a |
| 08:58.52 | Sampppa_ | is there a way to chmod folder in the device when installing a package? |
| 08:59.03 | Maulkin_ | However, #maemo on irc.freenode.net is better for you |
| 08:59.17 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: when I need to scan things, I use a scanner |
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| 09:00.22 | dondelelcaro | Sampppa_: that's almost never necessary, but you can use dpkg-statoverride if it's actually required. |
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| 09:01.34 | PiousMinion | I've noticed a new cd labeled "debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso". Does this only provide xfce or does it do and install with xfce4 default ? |
| 09:01.51 | Daemon | Sememmon: 3369672k << thats not 4gig is it? |
| 09:02.08 | PiousMinion | 3.3 |
| 09:02.18 | Daemon | update kernel ? |
| 09:02.23 | dondelelcaro | PiousMinion: it just happens to have xfce on it, and will install xfce if you choose the desktop task |
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| 09:03.07 | PiousMinion | dondelelcaro: will xfce be the only desktop environment that the desktop task installs on this CD? |
| 09:03.49 | n00bular | is there an easy way to execute a make without the make being aware of the already installed system libraries? I'm trying to make an deprecated version of zlib and there is a conflict with my current zlib. |
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| 09:04.12 | n00bular | it's related to messing with ancient graphics stuff like mesa 2.3 |
| 09:04.17 | derjens | hello everybody |
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| 09:04.53 | derjens | i am pretty confused! i just set up a new debian box with netinst. what packages do i need to perform "make"? |
| 09:04.55 | dondelelcaro | PiousMinion: it should be |
| 09:05.00 | dondelelcaro | !b-e derjens |
| 09:05.00 | dpkg | derjens: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 09:05.32 | dondelelcaro | derjens: depending on what you want to build, you may need other things besides build-essential as well. |
| 09:05.44 | derjens | that sounds easy:-) i just did not stumble over that package... |
| 09:06.10 | PiousMinion | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 09:06.14 | n00bular | curses I'll have to build a chroot. |
| 09:06.26 | derjens | i found a list of this other packages in the manual of the software but build-essentials was not listed |
| 09:06.31 | derjens | thank you very much |
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| 09:09.12 | Supaplex | !customer |
| 09:09.12 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 09:14.05 | E-bola | Hi guys |
| 09:14.11 | E-bola | after a system crash i get this perl error on debian etch: |
| 09:14.19 | enveezee | well I am having trouble connecting to the display from schroot http://pastebin.ca/766930 |
| 09:14.25 | E-bola | Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18.3) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11. |
| 09:14.38 | enveezee | running from a terminal emulator where $DISPLAY=":0.0" |
| 09:14.38 | E-bola | I dont understand what it means, somehow it thinks an amd version was installed? |
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| 09:15.36 | E-bola | anybody? |
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| 09:18.10 | Maulkin | E-bola: well, it looks like you're running a local version of perl. We can't really support that |
| 09:18.32 | E-bola | I'm not |
| 09:18.40 | E-bola | what i did do, is download some modules manualy with cpan |
| 09:18.41 | Maulkin | E-bola: /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm |
| 09:19.01 | E-bola | Maulkin: are you saying that wouldnt come from a normal debian perl isntallation? |
| 09:19.06 | Maulkin | E-bola: yes |
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| 09:19.12 | E-bola | hmm strange |
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| 09:19.18 | E-bola | i have enver installed perl from a tarball or similar |
| 09:19.22 | Maulkin | Debian doesn't put things in /usr/local |
| 09:19.41 | E-bola | ok fixed it |
| 09:19.44 | Maulkin | (that's for locally installed stuff) |
| 09:19.45 | E-bola | its the etch versino fo the package |
| 09:19.50 | E-bola | really really strange |
| 09:20.06 | Maulkin | However, it seems to be that you're using a i386 version of something, and you're running amd64 |
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| 09:20.38 | E-bola | im not running amd64 |
| 09:20.55 | Maulkin | Ahh, sorry. The executeable is amd64 |
| 09:21.11 | E-bola | I had 5.8.8-7etch installed |
| 09:21.20 | E-bola | i now "downgraded to 5.8.8-7 |
| 09:21.24 | E-bola | and that fixed the problem |
| 09:21.26 | Maulkin | However, I don't have /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm, so can't see what it's doing. |
| 09:22.11 | Asmooh | ik heb een quote uit een film, ik zoek de film er bij iemand? "Many has taken this tablet, but try not to let go" / I have a quote from a movie, but im searching for the movie "Many has taken this tablet, but try not to let go" --- Iemand die weet welke film / anyone knows wich movie im talking about? |
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| 09:23.02 | xand | !nl |
| 09:23.02 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
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| 09:24.30 | _zz | while trying to install an application on my test server, i got the following warning: |
| 09:24.54 | _zz | Failed: backgroundProcess Run Background Process = '6' The background process doesn't seem to have run. On windows this can be a problem with the version of apache or php - try different versions. |
| 09:24.59 | _zz | any clues what that might mean? |
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| 09:25.54 | factor | where can I get the xen kernel source for debian |
| 09:25.59 | factor | just looks like images onmly |
| 09:26.02 | factor | only |
| 09:26.30 | factor | apt-get source xen-server-2.6.18-src or something |
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| 09:37.32 | unnickable | has anybody here an idea why it could be, that root has no access to /dev/rtc (meaning it times out on select()) |
| 09:38.33 | wols_ | !tell unnickable about errors |
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| 09:39.24 | Cap_J_T_Kirk | guys, any news about debian sid updates? |
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| 09:40.44 | unnickable | ... I can't do any "hwclock" (because it times out) and adjtimex always hangs without timing out |
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| 09:41.26 | russo | hey guys |
| 09:41.34 | russo | i'm trying to resize a raid5 array i have |
| 09:41.42 | russo | i'm basically trying to add a partition |
| 09:42.10 | russo | atm all /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde /dev/sdf all have one drive and its just one big raid5 |
| 09:42.19 | russo | and now i want to split it essentially |
| 09:42.22 | russo | how can i do that? |
| 09:42.31 | russo | all have one partition* |
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| 09:44.07 | simonrvn | Nyle: fixed my kerberos :) |
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| 09:45.00 | wols_ | unnickable: I told you. you get an error message. what is it? |
| 09:45.24 | unnickable | root@nebuchadnezza:~# hwclock --systohc |
| 09:45.24 | unnickable | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 09:45.51 | unnickable | I already tried different kernels ... |
| 09:45.55 | zarac | is there any reason not to chmod my home directory to o-rx and putting www-data in group zarac? |
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| 09:46.26 | unnickable | I already did an strace on it and .... drumrolls .. it times out on select() |
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| 09:46.35 | simonrvn | or make another group that both you and the httpd are in |
| 09:46.47 | dondelelcaro | russo: so your best bet is to make a backup, shrink the filesystem, then shrink the arrays, then create the new partition |
| 09:46.48 | unnickable | root@nebuchadnezza:~# ls -l /dev/rtc |
| 09:46.48 | unnickable | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 10, 135 2007-11-09 10:11 /dev/rtc |
| 09:46.55 | zarac | oh.. maybe that's better =D |
| 09:47.00 | wols_ | unnickable: hwclock --directisa |
| 09:47.09 | simonrvn | certainly safer and scalable |
| 09:47.17 | zarac | thanks ;) |
| 09:47.21 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:47.30 | russo | dondelelcaro: make a backup, as in copy the data somwhere else... i've read there are ways to do this without damaging the raid |
| 09:47.38 | simonrvn | i'm suprised people don't think of adding another group |
| 09:47.39 | russo | i don't have that much space unfortunately :/ |
| 09:47.47 | russo | other than on this server |
| 09:47.49 | unnickable | the thing is, this also affects adjtimex ... so what's the thing behind this? .. is it hardware or module-dependent? |
| 09:47.52 | zarac | hehe.. i've never really used it before =D |
| 09:47.58 | dondelelcaro | russo: there are, but if you make any mistakes, you will loose data. |
| 09:48.07 | dondelelcaro | russo: that's why you back up the data. |
| 09:48.10 | wols_ | driver. the linux driver can't access rtc on lappies properly anymore |
| 09:48.13 | zarac | i mean.. of course i have .. but .. i'm no admin.. just have my own servers i play with |
| 09:48.16 | wols_ | directisa does a direct access and works |
| 09:48.20 | russo | dondelelcaro: :P the data i don't want to lose is backed up either way |
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| 09:48.30 | simonrvn | zarac: well, good place to start, is home stuff |
| 09:48.37 | zarac | sure thing =D |
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| 09:48.40 | russo | dondelelcaro: i did resize2fs i just can't find a way to get mdadm to shrink the drive |
| 09:48.51 | unnickable | ok, is this change documented somewhere I could have read it? |
| 09:48.51 | russo | its an ext3 |
| 09:48.53 | simonrvn | zarac: addgroup is the command. have fun there :) |
| 09:49.16 | zarac | was actually a few years ago and i have 4 servers running on different isp's throughout the country.. but all are just for fun =D |
| 09:49.29 | zarac | hehe i figured that.. thanks ;) |
| 09:49.32 | dondelelcaro | russo: then you just use shrink the filesystem appropriately, and the mdadm grow -z blahblahbalh; |
| 09:49.50 | russo | dondelelcaro: what does the -z flag do? |
| 09:49.53 | zarac | always pretty much only me accessing them =D |
| 09:49.59 | dondelelcaro | russo: changes the size of the raid array |
| 09:50.07 | russo | dondelelcaro: it says not enough space on disk |
| 09:50.34 | simonrvn | yeh, mine it's pretty much only the family, and anon people visiting the web sites |
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| 09:50.58 | russo | dondelelcaro: mdadm --grow /dev/md6 -z 480000000 <- that would make it 480GB right? |
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| 09:51.14 | dondelelcaro | russo: uh... do you have drives that are bigger than 480G? |
| 09:51.28 | russo | dondelelcaro: is the size i give it, per drive? |
| 09:51.28 | simonrvn | SASL installing layers <-- sign of WOOTage =) |
| 09:51.33 | dondelelcaro | russo: right. |
| 09:51.34 | russo | its a 4x250 |
| 09:51.38 | russo | oops :P |
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| 09:51.48 | dondelelcaro | russo: man mdadm; for details |
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| 09:52.00 | russo | dondelelcaro: i did it doesn't say, believe me mate :P |
| 09:52.06 | russo | i mean not which size |
| 09:52.15 | russo | atleast not where the --size flag is explained |
| 09:52.40 | dondelelcaro | russo: "Amount (in Kibibytes) of space to use from each drive in RAID1/4/5/6." |
| 09:52.45 | russo | doh! |
| 09:52.52 | russo | :P i just saw it too |
| 09:53.15 | dondelelcaro | I don't actually know if that's really what that option does, but that's what it's documented to do. |
| 09:53.20 | russo | i got one more question, do i have to fdisk now to add the partition |
| 09:53.36 | dondelelcaro | russo: once it has resynced, yes. |
| 09:54.35 | dondelelcaro | I personally suggest using sfdisk to save the partition table before starting, though. |
| 09:54.47 | dondelelcaro | (and reading how to restore it) |
| 09:57.25 | russo | dondelelcaro: will do :P |
| 09:57.38 | russo | dondelelcaro: thanks btw, mate :) |
| 09:58.52 | russo | dondelelcaro: do you know by chance if its safe to run sfdisk -d /dev/sdc | /dev/sdd ? for example |
| 09:58.59 | russo | or ist hat a destructive method |
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| 10:01.06 | tarzeau | can someone simplify/edit this eps? http://gnu.ethz.ch/asciitilde_BetecknaLowerCase.eps |
| 10:01.19 | tarzeau | i've tried with inkscape and scribus, but they were so frustrating |
| 10:01.26 | tarzeau | likewise fontforge and cenon |
| 10:02.49 | unnickable | wols_: so is there a way where I can config/modify/"patch" adjtimex also to do directaccess? at least in a way, that the postint-script doesn't block |
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| 10:04.18 | unnickable | I've not found/seen a way yet, to set this behaviour globally for all apps that try to use /dev/rtc |
| 10:04.28 | mne | hi, on debian sid i upgraded to the newest packages two days ago. after fixing quite a few problems everything seems to run fine now except for two things: xorg with AIGLX (nvidia) sometimes has problems with XV (xvideo) requiring a restart of xorg. The other thing is that applications freeze if the system load is 100%. Even resizing something like gnome-terminal takes ages and 100% cpu. i guess all this is xorg 1.4.0 related. are you guys familiar with these |
| 10:04.29 | mne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:06.21 | A_I_ | hello |
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| 10:06.41 | A_I_ | is there a command to get the content of debian/changelog of an installed package ? |
| 10:06.52 | A_I_ | like 'rpm --changelog' |
| 10:06.58 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ |
| 10:07.02 | A_I_ | no ! |
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| 10:07.09 | A_I_ | not all the packages are ther ! |
| 10:07.15 | simonrvn | changelog.Debian |
| 10:07.22 | A_I_ | I know but no |
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| 10:07.28 | py_ | hello |
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| 10:07.44 | simonrvn | packages.debian.org, aptitude's |
| 10:07.58 | A_I_ | we build our packages |
| 10:08.07 | A_I_ | and I want a quick command to get changelog |
| 10:08.16 | A_I_ | I can't imagine that it is not available in apt |
| 10:08.23 | A_I_ | as it is so useful |
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| 10:09.59 | py_ | I'm trying to install debian on an intel Mac Mini (Core Duo (not 2) version), in single boot. I'm using today's daily build of testing businesscard CD. The installer starts up fine, but it fails to detect my hard drive ("No disk drive detected"). Should I use another image? How to get it to find my hard drive? |
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| 10:13.19 | py_ | from what I found out, it's sata controller is an Intel ICH7-M. Is it supposed to be support by today's daily build of testing businesscard CD? |
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| 10:14.52 | simonrvn | A_I_: well, man page is there, read it ;) |
| 10:15.15 | A_I_ | which man page ? |
| 10:15.29 | simonrvn | apt-get, apt-cache |
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| 10:16.30 | py_ | are more drivers included on the netinst image than on the businesscard image? |
| 10:16.48 | liable | ich7 should be supported, dunno what the -M is though |
| 10:17.10 | liable | it's even in the etch kernel |
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| 10:17.29 | py_ | liable: very weird: I tried once again, and that time it got it... same box, same cd, same way to to it |
| 10:17.33 | py_ | hum |
| 10:17.48 | liable | be happy :) |
| 10:18.12 | py_ | liable: yep :-) |
| 10:18.13 | A_I_ | as every time apt/dpkg feel to be written for developpers and not for users |
| 10:18.25 | A_I_ | it is very non-practical |
| 10:19.24 | DawnLight | A_I_: try aptitude instead |
| 10:19.51 | tavaro | Help needed: I'm newbie user of Etch, installed it yesterday and have serious problem with my Voodoo3 2000 Pci Card seems that my Tdefxfb driver doesn't work ie in MediaPlayer /dev/fb0 not found help! |
| 10:20.09 | simonrvn | A_I_: apt-get is a proof of concept thing, aptitude is more "for users" |
| 10:20.39 | DawnLight | and you are right. users are not supposed to administer debian |
| 10:20.51 | A_I_ | aptitude changelog => "is not an official Ubuntu package, cannot display its changelog" |
| 10:21.02 | A_I_ | I know, we build this |
| 10:21.11 | A_I_ | with RPM it worked ... |
| 10:21.38 | A_I_ | the changelog is read even if the package comes from elsewhere than the official repository |
| 10:22.11 | A_I_ | I hate apt, dpkg and all .deb stuff! |
| 10:22.11 | DawnLight | aahm... is this a middle of conversation? are you using ubuntu? |
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| 10:22.46 | DawnLight | debian's packaging system is at the heart of debian's popularity and reputation |
| 10:22.49 | FunctorSalad | aptitude always freezes after I install something and the package list has been reloaded :( |
| 10:22.53 | FunctorSalad | any ideas? |
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| 10:23.08 | b_jonas | hi, |
| 10:23.37 | DawnLight | FunctorSalad: are you doing something kinky like running a few aptitudes at once? |
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| 10:23.56 | FunctorSalad | DawnLight: ;) I don't think I do |
| 10:24.19 | FunctorSalad | I think when I do that it says that it couldn't get the lock, which is different |
| 10:24.21 | b_jonas | ok, ignore that, problem solved |
| 10:24.41 | FunctorSalad | in my case it just reloads the package list and then becomes unresponsive; I can still terminate it with ctrl+c |
| 10:24.55 | FunctorSalad | when I start it up fresh it works fine |
| 10:25.20 | FunctorSalad | I tried using a different terminal emulator, so that's probably not it |
| 10:25.26 | DawnLight | check to see if there's free space in the partition |
| 10:25.46 | FunctorSalad | yeah, plenty |
| 10:25.49 | DawnLight | and check whether you have instances of dpkg running |
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| 10:26.15 | FunctorSalad | "ps -e | grep dpkg" should do that, right? then I don't |
| 10:26.53 | wols_ | unnickable: there postinst script you can edit |
| 10:27.13 | wols_ | unnickable: /var/lib/dpkg/info/adjtimex.poatinst |
| 10:27.49 | DawnLight | FunctorSalad: is your sources.list ok? |
| 10:28.34 | FunctorSalad | DawnLight: well, I do have a few extra entries but update works fine, so in that sense it's ok |
| 10:28.39 | simonrvn | A_I_: this isn't ubuntu either. please go to the right channel |
| 10:28.48 | liable | cool, putty for my mobile |
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| 10:29.29 | DawnLight | FunctorSalad: etch? |
| 10:29.29 | A_I_ | simonrvn I thought this was low level enough to ask this here |
| 10:29.47 | DawnLight | !tell A_I_ about ubuntu |
| 10:30.18 | FunctorSalad | DawnLight: I'm using "testing" |
| 10:30.22 | A_I_ | thank you DawnLight I know this |
| 10:30.53 | A_I_ | DawnLight as I thought opensource is a community ready to help people ... |
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| 10:32.06 | DawnLight | A_I_: no ubuntu help here. best that way, i think |
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| 10:32.18 | wols_ | A_I_: even worse if you know it. now please go or install debian. your choice |
| 10:32.30 | DawnLight | nice one wols_ |
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| 10:34.30 | A_I_ | DawnLight wols_ it is always easy to critisize people for there closed minds or lack of comprehension (like big capitalist companies), but I see you act exactly the same here |
| 10:34.41 | A_I_ | you're not better than bill gates sorry |
| 10:34.56 | wols_ | bill gates is a lot better than me and has a few billions to prove it |
| 10:35.09 | A_I_ | ok |
| 10:35.12 | wols_ | A_I_: do you have a debian related question? |
| 10:35.15 | freakynl | i'm looking for a distribution to run plesk on and i'm having issues finding the period debian releases security updates for a version. as i'm not native english chances are i'm using the wrong words can anyone point me somehwere? |
| 10:35.32 | wols_ | freakynl: security.debian.org |
| 10:35.35 | A_I_ | your only criteria of judgement is the amount of money and stupidity |
| 10:35.48 | wols_ | only stable gets guaranteed security updates. and ples is simply shit |
| 10:35.57 | wols_ | e.g. you will need qmail and that alone is a can of worms |
| 10:36.00 | A_I_ | I thought it were the ideas people have to make our world going better |
| 10:36.22 | wols_ | the world would be a LOT better if people asked their questions in the proper channels. a LOT |
| 10:36.23 | A_I_ | thing people do to help others (or themself) |
| 10:36.25 | simonrvn | A_I_: right. you don't know us, so please, go to the right channel. i asked you nicely, at least pretend to respect us here. do we go asking in #ubuntu debian questions? |
| 10:36.50 | simonrvn | it's a different distro ... |
| 10:36.51 | FunctorSalad | ;) |
| 10:36.52 | wols_ | simonrvn: that was a good one :) |
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| 10:37.04 | A_I_ | oh yes it is so different |
| 10:37.07 | simonrvn | it's just the truth |
| 10:37.18 | A_I_ | really not the same |
| 10:37.23 | simonrvn | A_I_: in fact in many things it is |
| 10:37.27 | simonrvn | different |
| 10:37.38 | A_I_ | and in many things it is not |
| 10:37.59 | simonrvn | i don't care, frankly. different distro. |
| 10:38.20 | simonrvn | if this was a generic linux channel, things would be different, but it isn't. |
| 10:38.31 | wols_ | RH is the same software than debian. doesn't mean you'd go to a RH channel for debian help |
| 10:38.35 | simonrvn | (speaking for myself) |
| 10:38.46 | wols_ | a monkey has 99% of our DNA, but I still don't have hair all over |
| 10:38.54 | Ronin | wols_: tmi |
| 10:39.08 | freakynl | wols_: thanks, it says one year after a new stable release is made. this tells me very little. for example, if i would start using 4.0 now how until when (more or less) can i expect it to get security updates? |
| 10:39.12 | simonrvn | wols_: well maybe you do and you're not admitting it :P |
| 10:39.20 | wols_ | shall I tell you where I don't have hair exactly? :) |
| 10:39.20 | A_I_ | I feel here like a little aggressiveness toward ubuntu, you were ready to answer me and as soon you saw the magic word I only got "go out you smell like a rat" |
| 10:39.31 | simonrvn | wols_: now *thta's* TMI |
| 10:39.36 | wols_ | freakynl: usually 2-3 years |
| 10:39.47 | freakynl | for example ubuntu clearly states 6.0.6 is supported to 2011 |
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| 10:39.53 | FunctorSalad | (ot) wols_: heh. I always found that metric silly. will two programs that have 99% identical source code do similar things? |
| 10:39.58 | Ronin | A_I_: not at all, you install debian we'll spend hours helping you, you install something else you'll politely be told which channel to ask your questions in |
| 10:40.01 | wols_ | freakynl: from the time new stable is releasd. debian has no fixed release schedule but shoots for 18 months which it usually doesn't meet |
| 10:40.02 | A_I_ | "you are not the same go away" that what white people said to black one a century ago |
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| 10:40.18 | simonrvn | A_I_: i have none towards ubuntu, i suggest it to new users a lot. i have ill feelings towards people who insist on "oh it's not so different" |
| 10:40.27 | wols_ | A_I_: for the last time. please don't argue further |
| 10:40.30 | FunctorSalad | I mean usually they will, but in principle changing a single bit can change everything |
| 10:40.31 | wols_ | A_I_: it's OT |
| 10:40.42 | GutterPunk | I'd like to install puppet on Debian sarge, unfortunately it appears to be only available for etch. How can I set up the preferences file to prefer sarge over etch? It doesnt seem to work if I use Pin: release a=sarge. |
| 10:40.54 | simonrvn | A_I_: now don't get me fucking started |
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| 10:40.59 | A_I_ | I see also that you answer me, funny to see how people can be ... |
| 10:41.01 | wols_ | !tell GutterPunk about sarge->etch |
| 10:41.07 | freakynl | wols_: thanks :) |
| 10:41.10 | wols_ | GutterPunk: if you can't upgrade to etch you have to do a backport yourself |
| 10:41.17 | A_I_ | loosing time to say, you make us loosing time hahaha |
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| 10:41.22 | Daemon | how can i upload files through ssh ? |
| 10:41.22 | FunctorSalad | maybe you should make a #not-debian channel to divert such discussions, as in #not-math |
| 10:41.33 | Ronin | FunctorSalad: its called ##linux actually |
| 10:41.34 | wols_ | Daemon: scp |
| 10:41.35 | freakynl | Daemon: scp or sftp |
| 10:41.41 | wols_ | !tell Daemon about scp |
| 10:41.52 | Daemon | ta |
| 10:41.55 | GutterPunk | wols_: ah too bad. Thanks |
| 10:42.17 | wols_ | GutterPunk: check backports.org the sarge backports. maybe someone already did |
| 10:42.25 | Daemon | can i tell it to upload a directory and everything in it? |
| 10:42.31 | wols_ | GutterPunk: but you really should think about upgrading your sarge imhi |
| 10:42.40 | wols_ | Daemon: what client OS? |
| 10:42.42 | GutterPunk | wols_: nop, it's not in the backports |
| 10:42.46 | Daemon | or does it have to be compressed into one file |
| 10:42.48 | Daemon | vista |
| 10:42.57 | wols_ | Daemon: get filezila and use sftp |
| 10:43.06 | GutterPunk | wols_: I'm quite afraid of doing this on production machines... |
| 10:43.11 | Daemon | whats filezila? |
| 10:43.15 | simonrvn | "a century ago"... i guess he isn't black othrewise he'd know people are still targetted for racist attacks.... |
| 10:43.21 | wols_ | Daemon: it's purely client feature if you can upload more than one file per operation |
| 10:43.35 | wols_ | Daemon: filezilla is a GPLed windows ftp and sftp client |
| 10:43.36 | freakynl | Daemon: ... filezilla.sourceforge.net |
| 10:43.42 | Daemon | ok i'll have a look, thanks :) |
| 10:43.56 | wols_ | simonrvn: a century ago, the racists had the laws behind tuem |
| 10:43.58 | et | winscp's there too |
| 10:44.01 | freakynl | it's performance s*x btw due to inefficient algorythm, also available for linux nowadays btw |
| 10:44.03 | wols_ | nowadays they don't even when they still do it |
| 10:44.16 | simonrvn | wols_: that's true |
| 10:44.20 | Daemon | wols_ - i dont want the server do i? |
| 10:44.26 | freakynl | Daemon: no |
| 10:44.30 | wols_ | Daemon: no. client only |
| 10:44.48 | wols_ | freakynl: I know it's OT but do you have a better suggestion for ftp/sftp than filezilla? |
| 10:44.53 | Daemon | ok |
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| 10:45.20 | et | i don't know filezilla, but winscp is really nice imo |
| 10:45.37 | wols_ | et: can it do ftp? |
| 10:45.44 | smiler | nope |
| 10:45.47 | va | i have a directory with a unicode(?) char in it's name and i want to create another one like it. When i tab-complete its name i get "ls asdf\370", but when i do "mkdir asdf\370" i create simply asdf370. How do I enter the character code while creating a dir? |
| 10:45.50 | et | not "normal" ftp. sftp yes |
| 10:46.02 | freakynl | winscp is pretty nice and seems to perform better but never measured it. run linux on my laptop and do notice a (kind of huge) performance difference between the sftp tools there and filezilla on windows so i looked it up and appearantly the couldn't use the putty algorythm due to licensing issues or something don't exactly recall |
| 10:47.08 | wols_ | it's true that fz scp transfers are way slower than its ftp :( |
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| 10:48.18 | Daemon | wols_ - this is perfect, just like ftp.... thanks bud |
| 10:50.11 | freakynl | wols_: yea it's an algorythm licensing thing, dunno the details (i hate licensing issues :D) |
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| 10:51.37 | Daemon | wols_ - one last thing, once ive uploaded these files, if i want to assign them to a user on the system so that user can run them would this do it.... chown -R user1 /userdirectory ? |
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| 10:52.08 | wols_ | Daemon: if you log in as that user via sftp they should already be the users UID:GID |
| 10:52.22 | Daemon | ohh yeah good point |
| 10:52.35 | Daemon | didnt think hehe |
| 10:52.54 | Daemon | might need to set their permissions though, is that chmod ? |
| 10:53.05 | wols_ | yes it is |
| 10:53.13 | wols_ | tho: rightclicj on the file and you can do it via fz |
| 10:54.07 | Daemon | well i'll be needing to do it for a directory and all sub directories |
| 10:54.15 | Daemon | can i say that in fz? |
| 10:54.21 | wols_ | chmod -R might be easier |
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| 10:55.19 | Daemon | chmod -R 666 /directory ? |
| 10:56.43 | wols_ | chmod ugo+a I'd say |
| 10:56.52 | wols_ | you want to keep directories itself +x |
| 10:57.00 | Daemon | sorry youve lost me bud |
| 10:57.20 | freakynl | Daemon: man chmod :) |
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| 10:57.50 | wols_ | !permissions |
| 10:57.50 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 10:57.54 | Daemon | freakynl - not being funny im asking cos ive got to setoff in 1 hour to drive 500miles to install this thing and ive still loads to do |
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| 10:58.20 | Daemon | it was supposed to go by courier yesterday |
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| 11:05.39 | reto__ | Where should I thank/note who has helped on a debian package? |
| 11:06.00 | Maulkin | reto__: changelog probably |
| 11:06.26 | reto__ | not a list of all bug reports, but somebody has substantial contributed |
| 11:06.27 | reto__ | hm |
| 11:06.28 | reto__ | ok |
| 11:06.53 | Maulkin | Do you have a README.Debian? |
| 11:07.11 | reto__ | not yet |
| 11:07.29 | Maulkin | Not worth crating one just for that. I'd say changelog for now |
| 11:07.37 | reto__ | alright, |
| 11:07.38 | reto__ | thanks |
| 11:07.50 | freakynl | Daemon: sorry about that, but you will pick up on the options a lot quicker from the manual than we can explain them, it wasn't meant as a rtfm remark thus |
| 11:08.25 | petemc | Daemon: you got that 1950 set up ok? |
| 11:09.17 | Daemon | freakynl - no worries but im just under a lot of pressure so trying to get what help i can |
| 11:09.29 | Daemon | petemc - hey buddy, yeah everything is going great |
| 11:09.33 | petemc | good shit |
| 11:10.00 | Daemon | got it installed using the dvd version, disbaled some stuff from startup on the install like sendmail, ip6tables and iptables |
| 11:10.28 | Daemon | cos ip6tables i wont use, ive got my own script for iptables and sendmail i dont need cos directadmin will install whatever it needs |
| 11:10.44 | Daemon | few commands are different than debian but im getting the hang of it |
| 11:11.02 | Daemon | uploading some stuff now and probably gonna set off in an hour |
| 11:11.04 | Daemon | ish |
| 11:11.09 | Daemon | long drive |
| 11:11.33 | Daemon | just checked and to send it via courier is £100 for 12pm delivery on monday insured upto £1500 |
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| 11:13.03 | Daemon | had to use the PAE kernel as well cos it was only seeing 3.3gig |
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| 11:15.32 | alan | well, I found the problem on my sparc install. bug #399724. klibc is seg faulting |
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| 11:18.03 | ice63 | hmm i jest upgraded from etch to lenny i change my sources.list to lenny but how do i update the cd is it apt-get disk-upgrade ? |
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| 11:21.06 | datten | hi there :) |
| 11:21.11 | Miguel | Hi all |
| 11:21.12 | Miguel | Saludos |
| 11:21.19 | larsl | Is there a clean way to downgrade a package? libmxml 2.3 is completely broken, it won't load any XML files with a <!DOCTYPE> tag. |
| 11:21.24 | larsl | 2.2 worked. |
| 11:21.52 | Daemon | petemc - u still there? |
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| 11:22.05 | azeem | ivorw_: what do you mean with update the cd |
| 11:22.08 | petemc | Daemon: yeah |
| 11:22.10 | datten | if i install fluxbox there is no menu, i think the maintainer missed to integrate run generate-menus while the package installation |
| 11:22.18 | Daemon | petemc - how do i set the hostname? |
| 11:22.20 | simonrvn | larsl: fetch 2.2 from snapshot.debian.net and put it on hold once installed, and file a bug report if there is none |
| 11:22.39 | ivorw_ | ??? |
| 11:23.00 | petemc | Daemon: /etc/hosts - ipaddress foo.bar.com foo , /etc/hostname - foo |
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| 11:23.37 | larsl | simonrvn: Hold? |
| 11:23.37 | petemc | Daemon: /etc/hostname gets read by the kernel on boot |
| 11:23.38 | datten | i know how to generate a fluxbox menu by hand, but not all users know that, i think it should be fixed |
| 11:23.46 | simonrvn | larsl: /msg dpkg hold |
| 11:23.54 | Daemon | petemc - can i pm you? |
| 11:24.01 | petemc | best to ask in channel |
| 11:24.23 | azeem | Daemon: also, how to set a hostname is not something only petemc can answer |
| 11:24.46 | Daemon | ok, so i dont need to touch /etc/hosts then? just /etc/hostname? |
| 11:24.54 | azeem | Daemon: best to just ask in channel, not individuals, unless it's a specific follow-up to what you were discussing earlier |
| 11:25.05 | petemc | Daemon: you need to configure /etc/hosts |
| 11:25.52 | Daemon | so do i add this "342.345.345.234 keymaster.domain.com" ? |
| 11:26.15 | larsl | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 11:26.15 | petemc | Daemon: thats not a valid ip, and you need to add the shortname to the end, but aye |
| 11:26.34 | larsl | I wonder if even the upstream author tested mxml 2.3 before releasing it. |
| 11:26.48 | Daemon | yeah made that ip up, whats a shortname? |
| 11:26.53 | petemc | keymaster |
| 11:27.23 | Daemon | ahh gotchat so..... "342.345.345.234 keymaster.domain.com keymaster" on its own line ? |
| 11:27.35 | petemc | man hosts |
| 11:27.41 | Daemon | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 11:27.41 | Daemon | ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 |
| 11:27.49 | Daemon | ive already got that in, do i leave it? ^^^ |
| 11:28.06 | petemc | aye |
| 11:28.25 | Daemon | ok |
| 11:28.35 | Daemon | and dont need to touch /etc/hostname then ? |
| 11:28.48 | petemc | make sure it contains keymaster |
| 11:29.16 | Daemon | just the word keymaster? |
| 11:29.21 | petemc | yes |
| 11:29.23 | Daemon | nothing else? cos its blank as it is |
| 11:29.34 | Daemon | ok thank you very much :) |
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| 11:31.52 | k31th | how hard would it be to build a debian router with two WAN interfaces, and load balance between the two + if one falls over the other takes the load? |
| 11:32.33 | petemc | !split access |
| 11:32.33 | dpkg | well, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 11:34.24 | k31th | petemc: thanks man, are there any articals on setting up a debian router in general? |
| 11:34.51 | petemc | i would imagine so, im not aware of any off the top of my head |
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| 11:35.13 | k31th | i see. |
| 11:35.34 | Daemon | petemc - does spacing matter? |
| 11:36.00 | petemc | Daemon: see the manpage, its a tab between each entry |
| 11:36.15 | petemc | im not sure how much it matters, tbh |
| 11:36.20 | Daemon | ok and lastly do i have to reboot for changes to take effect? |
| 11:36.34 | petemc | for /etc/hostname, yes, /etc/hosts, no |
| 11:36.47 | rubymonk | I doubt it but... is there any way to detect if an ethernet interface is onboard ? |
| 11:36.48 | SlayerXP | you don't for hostname |
| 11:36.53 | petemc | you do |
| 11:36.53 | k31th | is there a way to do the reverse of a split acess? for example if i had inbound traffic pointing @ office1.mydomain.com could I some how have the domain with two IP's ? and it would round robin or if one failed it would use the next IP? |
| 11:36.57 | SlayerXP | just run /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 11:37.04 | Daemon | ok thx |
| 11:37.18 | petemc | oh right |
| 11:37.42 | Daemon | actually it wont matter thinking about it because the hostname and ip's im adding wont be right until i get it setup in the data center |
| 11:37.43 | petemc | SlayerXP: you sure that works? |
| 11:37.57 | Daemon | so when i boot it up in the data center it will take effect |
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| 11:38.12 | petemc | SlayerXP: as that just runs the hostname command, which i didnt think was sufficient |
| 11:38.42 | harold | Is there anyway to disable the stupid permissions checks on ~/. and ~/.ssh et al done by sshd? |
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| 11:40.24 | samu3l_ | hello |
| 11:41.05 | harold | To answer my own questions: StrictModes in sshd_config. |
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| 11:41.44 | Maulkin | Daemon: It also probably won't display until you re-login |
| 11:42.18 | Daemon | Maulkin - login as root? |
| 11:42.54 | Maulkin | Daemon: login as something. Your prompt is updated when you log in. |
| 11:43.01 | Maulkin | (IIRC, that should work) |
| 11:43.39 | Daemon | thats cool ive got to login when i get to the DC with it anyway |
| 11:43.42 | Daemon | cheers :) |
| 11:43.46 | Daemon | think im all done now |
| 11:43.51 | Daemon | thanks very much for your help guys |
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| 11:43.54 | Daemon | really appreciate it |
| 11:44.00 | Daemon | been a mad 50 hours |
| 11:44.08 | Daemon | now just a long drive there and back |
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| 11:46.21 | Maulkin | Welcome to the world of colocation |
| 11:46.34 | Maulkin | You'll learn to loathe data centres |
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| 11:46.59 | Daemon | hehe |
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| 11:48.45 | Enverex | Is there something going on lately? I've noticed there's virtually no updates for Sid lately |
| 11:49.45 | Maulkin | Yup |
| 11:49.48 | Maulkin | just a sec |
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| 11:50.14 | Trewas | ftp-master has been dead for a few days, which means no new packages |
| 11:50.17 | *** topic/#debian by Maulkin -> 4.0r1 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | No updates running at the moment: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00001.html |
| 11:50.25 | Maulkin | tada |
| 11:50.28 | Enverex | Thanks |
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| 11:50.37 | *** topic/#debian by Maulkin -> 4.0r1 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | No updates running at the moment: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00001.html |
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| 11:51.09 | Enverex | Maulkin, Any idea if mesa has been fixed? 7.0.1-2 breaks Second Life (people claim going back to -1 fixes it but it doesn't) so... bleh |
| 11:51.38 | SF7 | hi all! Can anyone help me get my usb-modem thingy working in debian? http://pastebin.com/m326722f3 |
| 11:52.01 | bildpunkt | hi |
| 11:52.42 | Enverex | !bts |
| 11:52.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 11:54.26 | ma3x | is there a nice clock for kde? |
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| 11:55.10 | Maulkin | Enverex: What? I don't know of any issues with it. Plus if something breaks Second Life, you need to talk to Linden Labs |
| 11:55.37 | Maulkin | Or possibly run Etch |
| 11:56.02 | Enverex | Maulkin, It was an update in the mesa packages but people say you need to downgrade 4 packages, so I'm wondering which one it would be filed under |
| 11:56.35 | Enverex | hrm, I wonder |
| 11:57.10 | Enverex | I downgraded and it didn't work, but maybe that's because I'm on x86_64 and SL is 32bit which means it's probably using a compatability package somewhere instead, not those packages |
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| 11:59.09 | Enverex | Maulkin, Is there any way to see when a package version was released in Debian? |
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| 12:03.50 | cambazz | jigdo wont run on my 64 bit windows |
| 12:03.54 | cambazz | i need to get debian |
| 12:03.58 | cambazz | where can I download from |
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| 12:05.10 | SlayerXP | hi.. how can I find out which portage package provides a specific library? |
| 12:05.16 | SlayerXP | err WW |
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| 12:05.33 | wols_ | SlayerXP: wrong channel |
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| 12:05.51 | SlayerXP | wols_: yes, hence WW |
| 12:05.56 | frold | Have anyone teste and installed dimdim on debian 4? |
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| 12:06.17 | wols_ | cambazz: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 12:06.26 | cambazz | wols_ : ok |
| 12:06.37 | cambazz | do I download iso-dvd or bt-cd or list-cd? |
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| 12:06.55 | cambazz | oh I get it |
| 12:07.07 | wols_ | I gave you the direct URL to ISOs... |
| 12:07.15 | wols_ | what more handholding do you need? |
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| 12:07.20 | blahdeblah | Hi. Does anyone know of a build of Mozilla Lightning calendar that is compatible with Icedove 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.14b.dfsg1-0etch1 on amd64? |
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| 12:08.49 | cambazz | wols_: yes, but it wont contain dvd |
| 12:09.10 | Veeven | anyone know how to connect to Internet in Debian using Reliance Broadband? |
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| 12:09.42 | wols_ | cambazz: then use another country's mirror |
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| 12:10.42 | drc | Veeven: what's so special in Reliance's broadband? |
| 12:11.27 | Veeven | I am not getting IP and gw, and netmask details from DHCP server |
| 12:11.57 | drc | :o |
| 12:12.06 | drc | did your isp give you them? |
| 12:12.14 | drc | you can set them manually |
| 12:12.14 | wols_ | Veeven: do you need username and password for connecting? |
| 12:12.34 | Veeven | yes, but that's in browser |
| 12:12.56 | wols_ | explain how you connect usually, e.g. under windows |
| 12:13.06 | Veeven | we go to their website and enter username and password |
| 12:13.20 | Enverex | I noticed a "serious" bug filed against ia32-libs for using /emul to put the libs in but it was marked wontfix. Why use /emul? Isn't the point of /lib32 and /usr/lib32 to be the place for those libraries? |
| 12:13.21 | wols_ | tried dhclient eth0 ? |
| 12:13.36 | Veeven | when I plug in the cable, Windows automatically detects |
| 12:13.45 | Veeven | wols_: I did |
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| 12:15.42 | Veeven | it says 'No DHCPOFFERS received' |
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| 12:19.09 | wols_ | werdan7: the windows machine that connects is the same hardware (dual boot)? |
| 12:19.34 | wols_ | Veeven: |
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| 12:19.57 | Veeven | wols_: yes |
| 12:20.23 | Veeven | the same connection is working under Windows |
| 12:20.41 | Enverex | Stupid question, how do you report a bug for a package? |
| 12:20.49 | azeem | !reportbug |
| 12:20.49 | dpkg | it has been said that reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 12:21.36 | Enverex | Ah, that was it |
| 12:22.43 | Veeven | drc: I could not set IP, etc manually (I took them from Windows) |
| 12:25.01 | DawnLight | do debian installer boot parameters like modules=ppp-udeb go straight to the udeb preseed line? |
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| 12:31.59 | cast | any ideas on a tool to convert some a4 scans to a pdf automagically? |
| 12:32.21 | petemc | tif? |
| 12:32.29 | wols_ | cast: ghostscript |
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| 12:34.53 | neonoe | hi, i have a pb with a chroot on a power-pc from the install cd. Usually on others pc, i mount /dev/ide/.../part1 /mnt/root; chroot /mnt/root. But on my ppc, it fails. Someone has ever had same pb? thank you for help |
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| 12:35.25 | liable | hrm, i wonder how to do a on a mobile with putty |
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| 12:36.00 | ttl- | Can i run Debian on a HP Workstation 4000 with dual Intel Xeon at 2ghz and 1gb of RIMM memory ? |
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| 12:36.31 | Sebboh | If I want to change a machine's hostname, what steps should I take? |
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| 12:38.07 | liable | !hostname |
| 12:38.07 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 12:38.25 | cast | 0 ~/tmp$ convert tut7.JPG tut7.pdf |
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| 12:38.34 | cast | uh, that was unexpectably easy |
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| 12:40.27 | Jyzygzel- | is there a VNC Server for debian? |
| 12:41.08 | neednick | apt-cache search vnc |
| 12:41.18 | streuner | Jyzygzel-: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:41.58 | Koenig^^^^ | i have put a new nic into my debian, because the MB nic had issues with the debian kernel and samba. Is there anything i need to do to get debian to recognize this new card and use it ? |
| 12:42.12 | Jyzygzel- | :( |
| 12:42.15 | arash | I'm configuring a server with some intel quad cores and 16GB of RAM, so I'd like 64 bit compatability, how do I go about doing this with deb? |
| 12:42.21 | Jyzygzel- | i was hoping someone would tell me a good one |
| 12:42.23 | Jyzygzel- | there are so many |
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| 12:43.14 | liberion | hey guys im trying to remember all the repos to get access to the debian repos ,lets main contrib and what else i forgot? |
| 12:43.44 | neednick | Koenig^^^^: if it hasn't auto-detected (ifconfig -a to see if the device is there) - have you compiled a custom kernel? |
| 12:43.49 | liberion | main contrib and what else?? |
| 12:43.57 | neednick | non-free |
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| 12:44.14 | marcin | Hi, I have a problem with /etc/network/interfaces. I set: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp but it doesn't start when system is startins. I'm using Etch. What I'm doing wrong? |
| 12:44.15 | liberion | neednick, so thats still a repo yes? |
| 12:44.26 | neednick | yup |
| 12:44.33 | liberion | neednick, thanx man! |
| 12:44.36 | streuner | !+tell marcin about interfaces |
| 12:44.37 | dpkg | told marcin about interfaces (Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>) |
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| 12:45.40 | marcin | Ach, I was reading it, and I did: ifup eth0 and it works, but at booting it doesn't run |
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| 12:46.41 | arash | *confused* |
| 12:46.41 | Koenig^^^^ | neednick : no i havent, but i recently updated the kernel via apt-get |
| 12:46.45 | arash | 64 bit linux v 32 bit |
| 12:46.47 | arash | help! |
| 12:46.50 | arash | err |
| 12:46.52 | edistar | hello! I have the following problem: when I boot eth1 works, then I open a browser, I can browse, but a few seconds later it doesn't work anymore! I tried to ifdown ifup eth1 but eth1 can't get any dhcp address anymore.. can anyone help? |
| 12:46.53 | arash | debian specifically |
| 12:47.05 | arash | how do I get 64-bit debian running on an intel box |
| 12:47.05 | edistar | arash: 32-bit |
| 12:47.08 | ma3x | how can i define MHz in the kernel boot options? |
| 12:47.13 | edistar | arash: what intel? |
| 12:47.15 | arash | edistar: what do you mean? |
| 12:47.22 | arash | edistar: the new clovertons |
| 12:47.25 | Koenig^^^^ | neednick : i think its there as eth1 but im not having network, all i need to do is set it up in the interfeces file or ? |
| 12:47.28 | arash | not the old ia-64 |
| 12:47.32 | edistar | arash: what is the exact problem? |
| 12:47.36 | arash | well |
| 12:47.39 | arash | i'm configuring a server |
| 12:47.45 | freepenguin | hi |
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| 12:47.49 | arash | and by default they can install 32 or 64 bit redhat |
| 12:47.51 | arash | or 32 bit debian |
| 12:48.04 | arash | i'm puzzled as to why 64 bit debian isn't an option |
| 12:48.05 | edistar | well.. I haven't really seen much of an advantage of 64-bit yet |
| 12:48.15 | cast | edistar: openssl! |
| 12:48.17 | blame | Nerolinux cannot find my dvdrw drive. What can be done to make nerolinux detect my dvdrw drive? |
| 12:48.18 | Schalken | how come the package zsnes exists for lenny ( http://packages.debian.org/lenny/zsnes ) but nor aptitude or adept can find it? |
| 12:48.19 | ma3x | does anybody know if you can change the kernel MHz or you have to recompile? |
| 12:48.21 | edistar | arash: maybe they haven't tested it yet |
| 12:48.23 | neednick | Koenig^^^^: if it has been detected then you can set it up with ifconfig to see if it works, else make sure the module is loaded |
| 12:48.29 | arash | edistar: well, I can install it myself |
| 12:48.30 | edistar | cast: what do you mean? |
| 12:48.41 | arash | so I'm wondering how to do that, using the default i386 ISO |
| 12:48.43 | liberion | ma3x, u havta recomplie |
| 12:48.53 | cast | Schalken: it's only available for i386 perhaps? |
| 12:49.01 | edistar | arash: you can't install 64-bit from the i386 cd |
| 12:49.04 | cast | edistar: it goes much muchly faster in 64bit |
| 12:49.14 | edistar | cast: ok |
| 12:49.18 | arash | edistar: what do I have to do after the install? |
| 12:49.24 | arash | or what are my other install options |
| 12:49.27 | liberion | arash, there is the 64 bit debian iso |
| 12:49.31 | edistar | arash: you have to download the amd64 ISO |
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| 12:49.34 | edistar | and install that |
| 12:49.35 | Koenig^^^^ | neednick : does ifconfig have some kind of guide to do this or ? (im real new at this) |
| 12:49.40 | arash | edistar: this is intel, not AMD |
| 12:49.44 | Schalken | cast: hmm, yes, that would explain it :D ty |
| 12:50.02 | edistar | arash: I know, but it's amd specs, intel just copied it, amd64 installs on intel cpus too |
| 12:50.07 | arash | is there a 64-bit intel ISO (not itanium) |
| 12:50.12 | neednick | Koenig^^^^: man ifconfig :) |
| 12:50.21 | arash | hmm, is that really the correct solution? =O |
| 12:50.21 | Koenig^^^^ | ok |
| 12:50.27 | Koenig^^^^ | ill try to look at it |
| 12:50.29 | edistar | arash: yes, I'm sure |
| 12:50.45 | Koenig^^^^ | im just in a very hurry to get it up right now |
| 12:50.53 | edistar | arash: it's just the name that stuck |
| 12:51.07 | Koenig^^^^ | not that i dont _want_ to spend time learning ^^ |
| 12:51.11 | edistar | arash: like i386, which is an intel name I think, for the 32.bit |
| 12:51.41 | arash | oh wow, interesting |
| 12:52.03 | liberion | arash, usually if a machine in an ia64 then amd64 usuallly installs ,all u get with an i386 cd the kernel may be recompiled for 64 bit but the toolchain is still i386 |
| 12:52.35 | liberion | arash, 32 bit in other words |
| 12:52.51 | cast | ia64 != em64t |
| 12:53.48 | edistar | I get ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP):eth1:link is not ready ... can anyone help? |
| 12:54.06 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Itanium_Sales_Forecasts_edit.png lol. |
| 12:55.44 | FunctorSalad | haha |
| 12:55.44 | liable | edistar: wireless card? |
| 12:55.48 | FunctorSalad | (cast) |
| 12:55.52 | edistar | liable: no, ethernet |
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| 12:56.00 | pyrecheios | hello |
| 12:56.01 | liable | edistar: is it plugged in? |
| 12:56.06 | liable | light on? |
| 12:56.25 | edistar | liable: yes, I am sure, it works briefly when I boot, and then I few seconds later it doesn't anymore |
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| 12:56.40 | Koenig^^^^ | neednick is there _any_ possibility of getting a prv with you to determine if this nic is even loaded |
| 12:56.43 | liable | edistar: hrm, anything in dmesg other than that? |
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| 12:57.03 | Koenig^^^^ | im so lost and so out of time after spending 10 hours trying to fix a samba last night |
| 12:57.16 | edistar | liable: I found this: http://marc.info/?l=debian-user&m=114541119530985&w=2 |
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| 12:57.23 | Koenig^^^^ | i need this up asap and not sure where to start |
| 12:57.47 | edistar | liable: nothing else in dmesg, just enabling interface and then ADDR.. |
| 12:57.53 | xoz | Koenig^^^^: can you briefly repeat the problem? |
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| 12:58.10 | liable | edistar: and bringing it up with ifconfig doesn't do anything? |
| 12:58.52 | edistar | liable: it just shows me the interface but it doesn't have an ip |
| 12:58.58 | neednick | edistar: does mii-tool show a link |
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| 12:59.21 | edistar | neednick: link ok |
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| 12:59.42 | liable | edistar: try running dhclient eth1 |
| 12:59.47 | neednick | edistar: firewall? |
| 12:59.51 | edistar | liable: I tried, doesn't work |
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| 13:00.01 | edistar | neednick: my other pc gets dhcp with the same cable |
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| 13:00.23 | edistar | and why should it work for 5 seconds after logon and then not work anymore if it's firewall |
| 13:00.23 | liable | edistar: reload the module for it and try |
| 13:00.34 | edistar | liable: how do I find out the module? |
| 13:01.11 | liable | edistar: lsmod or your lspci output and google |
| 13:02.24 | neednick | edistar: I've known configs to not play nicely. Its worth checking everything. |
| 13:02.29 | edistar | it's a marvell tec 88E8001 gbit controller |
| 13:02.49 | xoz | edistar: most likely, flaky driver |
| 13:02.51 | edistar | neednick: well, there is not firewall between dhcp server and pc |
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| 13:03.03 | liable | sky2 prolly |
| 13:03.13 | liable | and yeah, they have a few problems |
| 13:03.18 | edistar | ok |
| 13:03.29 | edistar | I'll be back in a minute... |
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| 13:04.06 | edistar | back |
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| 13:04.56 | cico | what is the meaning of the following in "aptitude upgrade" : The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486. There are so many packages which are not going to be upgraded, so all those packages are also going to remain. then why has it pointed out only linux-image as kept back? |
| 13:05.41 | cast | try a dist-upgrade, perhaps |
| 13:05.41 | liable | because you didnt say dist-upgrade |
| 13:06.09 | edistar | liable: btw, it only recognized the link as 100mbit allthough it's cat 7 all the way to the gbit router |
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| 13:06.21 | edistar | is that also the fault of the driver? |
| 13:06.37 | k31th | edistar: wat card? |
| 13:06.39 | liable | edistar: you could try ethtool and see what it says |
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| 13:07.14 | cico | cast: try a dist-upgrade? why? |
| 13:07.17 | edistar | ethtool? |
| 13:07.24 | edistar | k31th: its a marvel 88e8001 |
| 13:07.38 | edistar | s/marvel/marvell |
| 13:07.58 | cast | cico: man aptitude, see the difference |
| 13:08.50 | cico | cast: I know the difference. but I wonder why you suggest me to dist-upgrade? I don't want to do a dist-upgrade. |
| 13:08.51 | cast | cico: 'kept back' means there's an upgrade available, but the package is not being upgraded |
| 13:09.14 | edistar | liable: the module is ekge |
| 13:09.17 | liable | cico: read the man page, it explains it |
| 13:09.25 | liable | edistar: ok |
| 13:09.32 | liable | edistar: did reloading it help? |
| 13:09.42 | cico | if I remove, gnome-desktop-environment, will anything bad happen? will I not be able to use my GUI desktop? |
| 13:09.45 | edistar | liable: no, still the same problem |
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| 13:09.51 | k31th | lol |
| 13:10.06 | k31th | why do you want to remove that |
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| 13:10.14 | liable | cico: its a meta-package, so you'll be fine |
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| 13:11.11 | ma3x | is something wrong with kp mantra? |
| 13:11.11 | edistar | liable: http://hardware4linux.info/component/5811/ at the bottom tells me about 2 modules, but I only have one on my system here, so I suppose that'll be the one |
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| 13:11.15 | ma3x | Option revision requires an argument |
| 13:11.21 | toto | kikoo lol |
| 13:11.25 | liable | edistar: is it loaded? |
| 13:11.29 | ma3x | make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 13:11.40 | ma3x | it gives me that error ^^ |
| 13:11.50 | ma3x | what argument does it require? |
| 13:11.54 | ma3x | $VER is not enough? |
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| 13:12.41 | edistar | liable: I rebooted, and up to now everything is working again |
| 13:13.22 | Koenig^^^^ | my network has changed from eth0 to eth1 , i can ping my router but the machine is not visible through hostname, what can i do to fix this ? |
| 13:13.54 | Koenig^^^^ | im running a samba so i need the other machines to find it via \\server |
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| 13:16.10 | creufop | hello! I'm showing to my students how to compile a program from a tarball. We're trying to compile xaos. Xaos need Xlib for compiling. What's the debian package of Xlib ? |
| 13:16.17 | edistar | liable: seems to work now.... I am confused.. well, another question: if I have eth2 as wifi and eth1 as lan, if I have both active, which one will be chosen when I surf the web for example? |
| 13:16.36 | wols_ | creufop: you will need the xlib dev package |
| 13:16.46 | dalias | it depends on where you put your surfboard in the water |
| 13:17.12 | cico | when I try to do "aptitude remove evolution", it says it will remove these package also: [bug-buddy ekiga eog esound evince evolution-common fast-user-switch-applet file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdb gdm gedit gedit-common] and many more. But I need them. Why is it removing packages I haven't asked for. It says these are not being used but I use them. What should I do to keep them? |
| 13:17.18 | creufop | wols_, we're using a standard etch distro, and xlib-dev package is mssing |
| 13:17.28 | wols_ | creufop: it has another name |
| 13:17.31 | liable | edistar: which ever one has the fefault gw set |
| 13:17.41 | edistar | liable: ok, thanks |
| 13:17.46 | edistar | I am learning a lot with this laptop :) |
| 13:17.48 | creufop | wolffc, which one ? |
| 13:17.55 | creufop | wols_, , which one ? |
| 13:18.24 | stew | cico: they are marked as automatically installed and the package which caused them to be installed, "gnome" is being removed becuase you are removing a dependency of gnome |
| 13:19.06 | ma3x | stew, the arguments 'kp mantra' that dpkg suggests are not working. wrong command? |
| 13:19.06 | cico | stew: so what should I do? |
| 13:19.06 | stew | ma3x: be more specific |
| 13:19.10 | ma3x | stew, scroll up a little bit |
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| 13:19.27 | azeem | ma3x: you didn't quote an error |
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| 13:19.39 | stew | cico: "aptitude unmarkauto package1 package2 package3" or run "aptitude" and hit 'm' on all of the packages you want to keep |
| 13:19.43 | azeem | oh |
| 13:19.44 | azeem | 14:08 < ma3x> Option revision requires an argument |
| 13:20.02 | ma3x | azeem, I did Option revision requires an argument |
| 13:20.22 | stew | ma3x: what does "echo $VER" return? probably nothing, which is your problem |
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| 13:20.29 | ma3x | stew, nothing blank line |
| 13:20.35 | ma3x | why is that my problem? |
| 13:20.41 | Schalken | is there somewhere i can see a log of what happened during the last shutdown? |
| 13:21.03 | stew | ma3x: becuase that means that "--revision=$VER" is getting replaced by "--revision=" by your shell, since the VER variable is empty |
| 13:21.04 | Schalken | it popped up something about my hard drive not spinning down properly. |
| 13:21.17 | ma3x | stew, yeah but why is it empty? |
| 13:21.28 | stew | ma3x: why do you think it should be non-empty? |
| 13:21.47 | ma3x | stew, it's been always not-empty |
| 13:21.55 | azeem | ma3x: how did you set it before? |
| 13:22.07 | azeem | ah |
| 13:22.07 | azeem | VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') |
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| 13:22.28 | ma3x | so is dpkg giving some wrong instructions? |
| 13:22.45 | azeem | ma3x: you probably typoed something |
| 13:22.48 | Bonta | hi evryone, I need an Xlib-dev package, someone can tell me where I can find it please ? |
| 13:22.52 | stew | ma3x: i don't think so. you need to set the value of VER, which you haven't done yet |
| 13:22.55 | ma3x | azeem, I didn't I pasted the command |
| 13:23.04 | cico | I added a "sub-process gzip error" to dpkg in the "dpkg" of freenode. How did this get updated in the dpkg of irc.debian.org? vvvvv |
| 13:23.04 | cico | !sub-process gzip error |
| 13:23.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sub-process gzip error is a notorious error that occurs that when update goes mad. No matter how many times you try, you get this error: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1). Remove any files you find in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ and sanity should restore. You might want to go through http://tinyurl.com/35yyxf for more details. |
| 13:23.06 | azeem | ma3x: pastebin the command plus the full output |
| 13:23.15 | creufop | http://pastebin.com/me3625ed |
| 13:23.26 | azeem | stew: that command sets VER on the fly at the beginning of the command-line |
| 13:23.31 | azeem | doesn't export it though |
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| 13:24.32 | stew | creufop: run "apt-get update" and try again |
| 13:24.37 | ma3x | azeem, http://paste.debian.net/41917 |
| 13:24.41 | creufop | need help please : 15 students is watching you on a projector :-) |
| 13:24.48 | Bonta | insert coin creufop :p |
| 13:25.39 | azeem | ma3x: run "make-kpkg clean" first |
| 13:25.54 | azeem | ma3x: then run "VER=$(date[...]" on a second line, and paste the output |
| 13:25.56 | pyrecheios | creufop: try apt-cache search xlib | more |
| 13:25.58 | azeem | plus the command |
| 13:26.04 | pyrecheios | and search for the right packet |
| 13:26.10 | stew | he has the right package name |
| 13:26.19 | wols_ | creufop: get source for a (small) X program, run apt-get build-dep for it |
| 13:26.30 | stew | oh, no he doesn't |
| 13:26.34 | ma3x | azeem, what do you mean on a second line? |
| 13:26.45 | stew | creufop: x-dev, not xlib-dev |
| 13:26.48 | ma3x | azeem, that opens a > |
| 13:26.49 | wols_ | creufop: libx11-dev - |
| 13:26.50 | ma3x | then what? |
| 13:27.01 | wols_ | stew: x-dev is sorta deprecated |
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| 13:27.29 | azeem | ma3x: aha |
| 13:28.06 | ma3x | azeem, somebody changed the instructions in dpkg |
| 13:28.10 | creufop | stew, wols_ Bonta pyrecheios : http://pastebin.com/m3c968a7b |
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| 13:28.17 | azeem | ma3x: so pastebin the command plus the output |
| 13:28.27 | ma3x | azeem, here I will paste what you need to tell dpkg |
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| 13:28.46 | stew | creufop: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 13:28.47 | ma3x | azeem, he kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 13:28.59 | ma3x | with T in the front |
| 13:29.21 | ma3x | azeem, compare that with the current 'kp mantra' instructions from dpkg |
| 13:29.24 | creufop | stew, wols_ Bonta pyrecheios : http://pastebin.com/m4411f04b |
| 13:29.25 | ma3x | you'll see the difference |
| 13:29.26 | azeem | ma3x: why don't we fix your issue? |
| 13:29.33 | creufop | stew: I'm showing to my students how to compile a program from a tarball. We're trying to compile xaos. Xaos need Xlib for compiling. What's the debian package of Xlib ? |
| 13:29.54 | stew | creufop: x11proto-core-dev, which you already have |
| 13:29.54 | wols_ | creufop: I told you already |
| 13:29.57 | ma3x | azeem, but dpkg's one liner is wrong |
| 13:30.08 | azeem | ma3x: what does "ls -l /bin/sh" say? |
| 13:30.22 | ma3x | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-06-22 22:53 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 13:30.29 | creufop | stew, x11proto-core-dev installed |
| 13:30.34 | pyrecheios | creufop: i don't see any problem there.. :) |
| 13:31.04 | py_ | where can I put a command I want to get executed as early as possible, at each boot? |
| 13:31.13 | creufop | pyrecheios, # /usr/local/bin/xaos : Can not initialize driver |
| 13:31.48 | creufop | pyrecheios: configure: WARNING: There is no driver available. XaoS will not start. |
| 13:32.05 | azeem | ma3x: what does 'VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" env | grep ^VER' output? |
| 13:32.06 | stew | creufop: "apt-get build-dep xaos" will install all of the build-dependencies |
| 13:32.21 | stew | creufop: i don't know what it means by a driver, read README and INSTALL if those exist |
| 13:32.48 | ma3x | azeem, say that again with "" proper please |
| 13:32.57 | azeem | uh? |
| 13:33.05 | azeem | everything inside the '' |
| 13:33.17 | ma3x | VER=20071109 |
| 13:33.20 | azeem | ok |
| 13:33.21 | pyrecheios | it just may be a path problem why it can not find the "driver" if this means the xlib and not locate it dynamically |
| 13:33.28 | pyrecheios | try to play with the code |
| 13:33.38 | pyrecheios | and see what it does |
| 13:33.42 | creufop | stew, try to compile xaos from the source code of sourceforge |
| 13:33.42 | pyrecheios | search for this string.. |
| 13:34.02 | stew | creufop: why would I, i can just "aptitude install xaos" |
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| 13:34.22 | creufop | stew: I'm showing to my students how to compile a program from a tarball. We're trying to compile xaos. Xaos need Xlib for compiling. What's the debian package of Xlib ? |
| 13:34.28 | ma3x | azeem, so? |
| 13:34.30 | pyrecheios | stew because of much reasons he is in a class |
| 13:34.39 | creufop | it's for teaching purpose |
| 13:35.01 | pyrecheios | creufop the problem is not the xlib packet you allready have them |
| 13:35.07 | stew | creufop: x11proto-core-dev, which you already have |
| 13:35.18 | azeem | ma3x: ok, I see what's wrong |
| 13:35.19 | pyrecheios | try one of this i just told you or choose another packet to compile |
| 13:35.23 | cico | does main have the most number of updates always? I always see in an "update" operation, gets stuck at Get:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages [4796kB] for a longer time. |
| 13:35.29 | stew | creufop: "apt-get build-dep xaos" will install all of the build-dependencies |
| 13:35.48 | ma3x | azeem, tell me when you finished editing dpkg so i can copy/paste the right output |
| 13:35.49 | cast | cico: it has the most packages, so likely itll have the most updates, yes |
| 13:35.52 | stew | cico: yes, main has by far the most number of packages |
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| 13:36.51 | azeem | ma3x: try now |
| 13:36.55 | creufop | stew, problem solved ! i've removed the directory of the tarball, untar it, and re-runs ./configure .. and now the system d'ont complain about xlib |
| 13:37.17 | creufop | thanks a lot stew pyrecheios wols_ !! |
| 13:38.11 | ma3x | azeem, akeroot? |
| 13:38.17 | azeem | gah |
| 13:38.27 | ma3x | lol |
| 13:38.36 | azeem | now |
| 13:38.39 | azeem | !kp mantra |
| 13:38.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 13:38.44 | ma3x | azeem, still giving errors |
| 13:38.45 | ma3x | Option revision requires an argument |
| 13:38.45 | ma3x | Option append-to-version requires an argument |
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| 13:39.03 | bullgard4 | What is an 'ACPI battery'? "detlef@MD97600:~$ laptop-detect -v; We're a laptop (ACPI batteries found)" (The ACPI Specification 3.0b doesnt know an 'ACPI battery'.) |
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| 13:39.36 | pixl | bye creufop...ouff !!! |
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| 13:39.55 | pyrecheios | ACPI means Advanced Configuration and Power Interface |
| 13:40.03 | azeem | who made up this factoid |
| 13:40.21 | stew | !factinfo kp mantra |
| 13:40.21 | dpkg | kp mantra -- last modified 1m 49s ago by azeem!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-12-87.dynamic.mnet-online.de; it has been requested 2 times, last by ma3x, 21s ago. |
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| 13:40.49 | stew | azeem: Aleric: http://dpkg.vireo.org/kp+mantra |
| 13:40.50 | ma3x | still not working stew |
| 13:41.03 | pyrecheios | Pixl, hehe:p |
| 13:41.20 | azeem | stew: is there revision history? |
| 13:41.25 | stew | azeem: no |
| 13:41.52 | ma3x | still not working |
| 13:41.58 | ma3x | damn it used to work |
| 13:42.09 | azeem | ma3x: can you try now |
| 13:43.00 | ma3x | azeem, seems to work |
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| 13:43.27 | ma3x | azeem, you added export only? |
| 13:44.19 | azeem | and splitted into two commands |
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| 13:44.31 | azeem | feel free to fix it otherwise |
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| 13:45.14 | ma3x | azeem, who modified it since the last time it was working? |
| 13:45.21 | ma3x | Last Modified By Aleric <~carlo@aleric.user.oftc.net> |
| 13:45.29 | ma3x | is that the big dondel? |
| 13:45.49 | azeem | ma3x: who knows, maybe it was broken before already |
| 13:45.56 | ma3x | nah it worked a few months ago |
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| 13:46.33 | azeem | that does not contradict my statement |
| 13:46.49 | ma3x | azeem, but what happened? shell upgrade? |
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| 13:47.07 | azeem | what do I know |
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| 13:49.49 | ma3x | what's this option for? CONFIG_HZ_250 for kernel booting speed? |
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| 13:50.15 | wols_ | ma3x: no. timeslices for the scheduler |
| 13:50.58 | ma3x | wols_, i've heard that affects time measurements somehow. true? |
| 13:51.49 | wols_ | possibly makes it more accurate (or less depending on default value) |
| 13:52.15 | robboplus_ | do i need 64-bit debian to make use of 6 or 8GB of ram? |
| 13:52.33 | ma3x | wols_, do you know what's the MHz on newer kernels? |
| 13:52.45 | ma3x | newer as in unstable |
| 13:52.52 | robboplus_ | ma3x did you mean Hz? it's 150 then |
| 13:53.07 | robboplus_ | or wait... 250, sorry. |
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| 13:53.39 | ma3x | rob, yeah Hz... are there kernels with 1000? if yes do you know which ones for example? |
| 13:53.58 | ma3x | and is there a way to specify the Hz in the kernel boot options? |
| 13:54.04 | stew | ma3x: debian doesn't provide them. if you need 1000, you have to compile it yourself |
| 13:54.06 | azeem | ma3x: why do you need that? |
| 13:54.25 | azeem | ma3x: to clarify, you're not talking about a server here? |
| 13:54.39 | robboplus_ | ma3x yes, you can change the hz |
| 13:54.46 | ma3x | azeem, nah home user |
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| 13:55.13 | ma3x | azeem, I tried vmware with windows as guest. and clock keeps going going forward/back all the time |
| 13:55.17 | robboplus_ | ma3x it won't help you with the clock problem though... |
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| 13:55.27 | robboplus_ | it's a deep shit |
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| 13:55.55 | robboplus_ | once again - do i need 64-bit debian for a machine with 6 or 8 gigs of ram? |
| 13:55.58 | ma3x | robboplus_, you tried it already? |
| 13:56.05 | robboplus_ | ma3x yes |
| 13:56.15 | robboplus_ | ma3x 100hz made it even WORSE to be honest... |
| 13:56.21 | stew | robboplus_: no, you can use a 32 bit 'bigmem' kernel |
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| 13:56.21 | ma3x | so you still have the problem or you fixed it somehow? |
| 13:56.35 | robboplus_ | stew thank you, so bigmem is what i really want |
| 13:56.38 | ma3x | I hate 64 bit machines, though mine is one |
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| 13:58.48 | biz | hi, is there a way to force gnome-session to only use :0.0? i have tried --display :0.0 and exporting DISPLAY=:0.0 and then starting gnome-session from .xsession, but it always grabs :0.1 too and starts the gnome stuff on :0.1 too.. any ideas? |
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| 14:03.42 | markit | hi, any info about when kernel 2.6.23 will be available in Sid/Unstable? |
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| 14:06.44 | stew | markit: nope |
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| 14:08.42 | Octopus | How can I see if some tool is started by default in my debian startup? |
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| 14:09.18 | stew | Octopus: look at /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d for starters |
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| 14:09.52 | drc | another way is to boot up your computer, and check which programs are running |
| 14:09.52 | drc | :D |
| 14:10.26 | Octopus | ok |
| 14:11.35 | Trevelyan` | Hi, Debian has been my desktop since 2003, and I would like to get a @Debian/user/Trevelyan mask to show my support. Is there anyone here who could authorise that? |
| 14:11.57 | abrotman | Trevelyan`: you'd ask freenode staff |
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| 14:12.26 | stew | no, that is up to the group contact, not staff, which i believe is dondelelcaro |
| 14:12.33 | Trevelyan` | they say they wont do it without the permission from the debian ops/group contacts |
| 14:12.37 | stew | though i don't konw of any such cloaks being given out |
| 14:12.51 | abrotman | oh . i thought it was just staff |
| 14:13.12 | Trevelyan` | i see other @distro-of-choice/user/Nickname masks, so i thought i'd ask |
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| 14:13.34 | Galaxor | Hm. My cpu does not seem to have virtualization support. It's an intel celeron 530. Does that actually not have virtualization, or can I enable it in the BIOS? |
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| 14:14.25 | drc | try to google for information while waiting for answers Galaxor |
| 14:14.27 | wols_ | Galaxor: no celerys have it |
| 14:14.42 | kloeri | abrotman: for project cloaks staff needs group contact approval |
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| 14:14.56 | petemc | Galaxor: you can still use paravirt |
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| 14:15.21 | Galaxor | petemc: Like kqemu? |
| 14:15.49 | Galaxor | wols: Dang. Now that I got this computer, I'm learning all the things I should've done differently. |
| 14:15.50 | petemc | Galaxor: anything that allows a modified host to run paravirtualised |
| 14:15.55 | petemc | Galaxor: i use xen |
| 14:16.13 | Galaxor | wols: But it's hard to know what all things are going to come up when buying a pc. |
| 14:16.34 | DawnLight | it is raining! |
| 14:18.03 | Jyzygzel- | is there a tool to remove useless packs from apt? |
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| 14:18.23 | DawnLight | by packs you mean packages? |
| 14:18.23 | petemc | Jyzygzel-: deborphan , if you use aptitude all the time you shouldnt have so much detritus |
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| 14:18.46 | Trevelyan` | apt-get autoremove, or deborphan and apt-get remove |
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| 14:19.01 | DawnLight | aptitude is da thing |
| 14:19.42 | Trevelyan` | apt-get now has tracking of what auto installed and what was user requested |
| 14:19.55 | Jyzygzel- | :o |
| 14:20.01 | abrotman | kloeri: so stew said |
| 14:20.04 | Jyzygzel- | i need to free some space |
| 14:20.16 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: deborphan |
| 14:20.16 | Jyzygzel- | im sure i have lots of stupid programs apt-getted |
| 14:20.19 | Jyzygzel- | ok |
| 14:20.21 | Trevelyan` | try also apt-get autoclean or apt-get clean |
| 14:20.29 | Trevelyan` | to remove cached packages |
| 14:21.10 | Jyzygzel- | hey can i alias 'apt-get install' to 'aptitude install' |
| 14:21.25 | Jyzygzel- | ppl just say that you shouldn't use apt-get install |
| 14:21.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jyzygzel-, yes |
| 14:21.31 | Jyzygzel- | i have no idea why and i don't even care |
| 14:21.41 | DawnLight | Jyzygzel-: did you ever open aptitude without parameters? |
| 14:21.43 | Jyzygzel- | but if its better to use aptitude then i might want to |
| 14:22.42 | stew | Jyzygzel-: there are still some things that apt-get can do that you can't do with aptitude, notably 'build-dep' |
| 14:22.45 | Trevelyan` | aptitude is a ncurses front end to apt, try it with out params. it sort of replaces the awful dselect |
| 14:23.02 | petemc | Trevelyan`: its a bit more than that |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | where's jetscreamer to extoll the "virtues" of dselect :) |
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| 14:23.55 | Trevelyan` | yes it had/has extras, some of which are being ported to apt. like tracking if a package was auto installed or user requested |
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| 14:24.31 | DawnLight | i've just purged dselect |
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| 14:25.03 | Octopus | Is there an option to list all users in debian? |
| 14:25.11 | Trevelyan` | i have to say the snr is much better in here then what i remember when i looked in a year or so ago. |
| 14:25.13 | stew | Octopus: getent passwd |
| 14:25.19 | Octopus | apart from checking home dirs, checking /etc/passwd |
| 14:25.30 | Trevelyan` | getent passwd |
| 14:25.34 | DawnLight | what happes if i remove the apt package? |
| 14:25.46 | Octopus | That's only listing /etc/passwd |
| 14:25.51 | Octopus | and also lists application users |
| 14:25.54 | stew | DawnLight: you are forced to download things by hand and install them with dpkg |
| 14:26.06 | Trevelyan` | no it lists libc nss users |
| 14:26.23 | DawnLight | stew: i don't wanna |
| 14:26.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | DawnLight, if you remove it, you deserve the following pain |
| 14:26.38 | Trevelyan` | Octopus, what do you mean 'application users' |
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| 14:26.46 | abrotman | DawnLight: it will warn you IIRC |
| 14:26.56 | Octopus | Trevelyan`: mysql/www-data etc |
| 14:26.59 | stew | Octopus: getent passwd | awk -F: '$3>=1000{print $1}' |
| 14:27.01 | Trevelyan` | i think its marked essential |
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| 14:27.21 | DawnLight | it does. tells Type 'Yes, I am aware this is a very bad idea' if you are. |
| 14:27.37 | Octopus | stew: thanks |
| 14:27.51 | Trevelyan` | Octopus, mysql has it own user db only for it, and apache can have user dbs all over the place |
| 14:27.57 | cmanns | On top, whats wa standfor? |
| 14:28.22 | stew | cmanns: io wait, time where runnable processes are waiting for io to complete |
| 14:28.27 | cmanns | ah |
| 14:28.30 | cmanns | So is 50% bad? |
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| 14:28.39 | cmanns | Cpu(s): 42.2%us, 2.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 8.8%id, 45.9%wa, 0.2%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:28.52 | stew | cmanns: it likely means that your hard disks are a bottleneck. perhaps you are swapping |
| 14:28.57 | abrotman | cmanns: depending on what the system is diong .. yes |
| 14:29.04 | cmanns | mysql/php |
| 14:29.13 | cmanns | Everythings slow, dog slow. |
| 14:29.14 | abrotman | cmanns: if you run 'vmstat' are the si/so numbers high ? |
| 14:29.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | cmanns, wa is waiting on io |
| 14:29.51 | cmanns | http://rafb.net/p/TAJw0a99.html |
| 14:29.55 | cmanns | They're 0's |
| 14:30.16 | abrotman | cmanns: did your 'wa' just go down ? |
| 14:30.20 | cmanns | Nope |
| 14:30.24 | Trevelyan` | Octopus, so for mysql: mysql -B mysql -e 'select * from user;' |
| 14:30.26 | cmanns | Heres a top output form alittle ago http://rafb.net/p/vk3LXV84.html |
| 14:31.07 | cmanns | woo |
| 14:31.09 | cmanns | Now my loads 16 |
| 14:31.27 | abrotman | cmanns: is php-cgi running a huge script? |
| 14:31.30 | cmanns | nope |
| 14:31.42 | cmanns | This is a vmware guest though its on a pretty speedy server |
| 14:32.00 | cmanns | I know i know vmware sucks but I couldn afford a server and its all my friend could give me in the datacenter |
| 14:32.27 | cmanns | We're running xcache, lighttpd, php-cgi (Non debian package) with memcache |
| 14:32.53 | stew | cmanns: run "vmstat 1" and let it run for a few seconds to get more input, and show us the results |
| 14:32.59 | cmanns | Sure |
| 14:33.21 | stew | when you just run "vmstat" its showing you the averages since the last boot, which might not be that helpful |
| 14:33.51 | cmanns | http://rafb.net/p/P9NHCV54.nln.html |
| 14:35.31 | stew | cmanns: its not spending very much time in iowait. anymore, seemingly. it looks like its just got lots of runnable processes (in the first column) |
| 14:35.45 | cmanns | hmm |
| 14:35.53 | cmanns | That may have been caused by the search indexing |
| 14:35.54 | abrotman | writing in spurts? |
| 14:36.12 | cmanns | large database, but still it has tons of php processes using too much cpu for having two opterons |
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| 14:37.53 | biz | seems like gnome-session is unable to leave separate x screens on the same display untouched? there is --display, which works for :1 or :2, but not for :0.1 or :0.0 (screen 0 and 1 on display 0) any ideas? |
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| 14:44.50 | PiousMinion | If I've install a few packages from unstable on etch is there a way I can easily downgrade them back to etch? |
| 14:44.54 | cmanns | Switching the most busy site to sphinx search helped as I can see on mytop I prolly have to optimize the databases too whenever i used mysql -p databasename it gave me this mesg about reading tables for like 2 mins |
| 14:46.15 | et | !downgrade |
| 14:46.15 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 14:46.21 | stew | PiousMinion: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 14:46.24 | DawnLight | PiousMinion: purge them, remove the unstable sources from the sources.list, update aptitude and install the stable versions. ask dpkg about backports |
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| 14:47.36 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, i've got a problem with munin node; i can telnet to the node and it's working but the reports are empty, I just get hostname [ ] and it's blank where the plugins are normally listed. has anyone seen this before? |
| 14:48.33 | cmanns | thank you for telling me about wa and such :) |
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| 14:49.25 | cmanns | I notice sendmail use some cpu "4 0.3 0:11.40 sendmail-mta |
| 14:49.25 | cmanns | " anyway to get it not using 4-8% or is that normal? |
| 14:49.39 | abrotman | cmanns: fyi .. man vmstat and man top explain it also |
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| 14:50.50 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 14:50.56 | rubymonk | !udev |
| 14:50.56 | cmanns | hmm |
| 14:50.56 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25> |
| 14:51.17 | Phil4 | hi guys, sorry if this is a silly question but... |
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| 14:51.32 | Phil4 | "The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings." "Expect was model "generic", layout "us" and no options, but the following settings were found: nidek "pc105", layout "gb" and no options." "Which would you like to use?" |
| 14:51.49 | Phil4 | Answer 1: Use X settings, Answer 2: Keep GNOME settings |
| 14:51.59 | rubymonk | I removed the z25 and the z45 file of udev... it still renamed my eth interface... any idea ? |
| 14:52.02 | Phil4 | I want the gb layout but it doesn't tell me whether X has that or GNOME has that |
| 14:52.50 | stew | why on earth does the README.Debian for qsynaptics have instructions on running svn-inject? |
| 14:52.53 | rubymonk | Phil4, dono about gnome... but if I need to change on the fly the kb layout, I'd use loadkeys |
| 14:53.10 | Phil4 | rubymonk, I just need to know which answer to pick for that question |
| 14:53.29 | rubymonk | Phil4, ? |
| 14:53.39 | hoxu | Phil4, you could also try your luck on ##gnome |
| 14:53.58 | Phil4 | rubymonk, the question I presented above is a box which requires me to give one of the answers |
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| 14:54.14 | petemc | Phil4: you have a 50% chance of getting the answer roght |
| 14:54.17 | petemc | s/ro/ri/ |
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| 14:54.35 | rubymonk | Phil4, Which layout you want ? |
| 14:54.37 | dennis1242342353 | What is better FTp or Samba ( not NFS please )? |
| 14:54.39 | Phil4 | lol petemc |
| 14:54.44 | Phil4 | rubymonk, the gb keyboard |
| 14:54.48 | rubymonk | dennis1242342353, Why not NFS ? |
| 14:54.54 | petemc | dennis1242342353: they're both different |
| 14:54.55 | rubymonk | Phil4, Well, take the gb one than |
| 14:55.04 | Phil4 | rubymonk, look at the answers I said were on offer |
| 14:55.11 | dennis1242342353 | dennis1242342353 well becuase of something bill gates wrote...called windows ..... |
| 14:55.17 | Phil4 | it does not state which setting X is carrying and which setting GNOME is carrying |
| 14:55.28 | Phil4 | how do I know which option will give me the gb keyboard? |
| 14:55.43 | rubymonk | dennis1242342353, All depends what you want to do and which level of integration you want for windows... |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | dennis1242342353: win32 can use nfs |
| 14:56.13 | rubymonk | hum.. |
| 14:56.26 | UNDERsoN | ata2 port slow to respond be... |
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| 14:56.31 | dennis1242342353 | dennis1242342353 well i used ssh but had slow network speeds ..then i remebers the S part...encryption of course that will get a gigabit connection done..and it's not needed in a local lan |
| 14:56.33 | UNDERsoN | how can I cange this |
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| 14:56.41 | dennis1242342353 | can windows mobile use NFS btw? |
| 14:56.50 | rubymonk | Well, anyhow, if he decides to use NFS, I'd tell him to note to use it with TCP, because linux's NFS with UDP SUCKS ARSE |
| 14:57.04 | rubymonk | :) |
| 14:57.05 | abrotman | dennis1242342353: ask ##windows |
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| 14:57.12 | rubymonk | "Mobile use" ? |
| 14:57.31 | Phil4 | ok, I guessed |
| 14:57.37 | Phil4 | correctly at that |
| 14:57.38 | Phil4 | lol |
| 14:57.42 | rubymonk | I removed the z25 and the z45 file of udev... it still renamed my eth interface... any idea ? |
| 14:57.51 | dennis1242342353 | abrotman lol they have one ???? btw windows mobile with SMB sucks big....thinking about it i'm better off with FTP..but can ssh also connect with plaintext (without encryption?) |
| 14:58.18 | rubymonk | :) |
| 14:58.20 | UNDERsoN | Debian at starting said that ata2 slow to respond be ... how can I cange it? |
| 14:58.21 | rubymonk | ssh un-encrypted ? |
| 14:58.24 | rubymonk | hehe |
| 14:58.26 | rubymonk | good one |
| 14:58.36 | dennis1242342353 | rubymonk sound stupid i know but i love the protocol |
| 14:58.48 | rubymonk | Why not using sftp instead of ftp ? |
| 14:59.03 | rubymonk | filezilla is a client for windows that connects to it |
| 14:59.12 | dennis1242342353 | rubymonk stiill need to use that encryption which i don't wanna |
| 14:59.24 | hoxu | O_ö |
| 14:59.24 | rubymonk | why not ? |
| 14:59.31 | dennis1242342353 | rubymonk speed :-) |
| 14:59.36 | rubymonk | use ftp then |
| 14:59.44 | rubymonk | as sucky it may be... |
| 14:59.46 | dennis1242342353 | rubymonk not samba? |
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| 15:00.01 | rubymonk | dennis1242342353, You still didn't tell your needs, how can I know ? |
| 15:00.14 | hoxu | umm, isn't ssh encryption so light for modern computers that the limiting factor is going to be disk or whatever you are tranferring files from? |
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| 15:00.26 | et | hoxu: nope |
| 15:00.27 | rubymonk | hoxu, No |
| 15:00.33 | hoxu | hmm |
| 15:00.45 | hoxu | interesting |
| 15:01.01 | et | but i wonder where you'd need speeds > 9MB/s |
| 15:01.05 | rubymonk | ssh uses ssl, meaning that's certainly an aes-cdc-* |
| 15:01.15 | rubymonk | which takes quite a lot of ressources to crypt |
| 15:01.18 | dennis1242342353 | rubymonk a simpel transfer without encryption suitd for both linux and winblows |
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| 15:01.34 | rubymonk | dennis1242342353, Well, any of them |
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| 15:01.50 | rubymonk | I'd tend to think that ftp would be simpler to configure |
| 15:02.03 | rubymonk | but I only used samba as primary PDC so... |
| 15:02.13 | rubymonk | s/primary// |
| 15:02.13 | atula | hello. should I use maildir or mbox mail format? I don't really care either one... just wanted to see what everyone eslse uses |
| 15:02.31 | rubymonk | maildir |
| 15:02.34 | rubymonk | without a doubt |
| 15:02.39 | rubymonk | mbox sucks |
| 15:02.41 | dennis1242342353 | rubymonk with fails faster samba or FTP? with samba i had errors a lot |
| 15:02.52 | atula | cool |
| 15:02.55 | atula | I thought so too |
| 15:03.01 | rubymonk | dennis1242342353, Go ftp |
| 15:03.21 | rubymonk | Never had an error with samba... |
| 15:03.34 | UNDERsoN | where I can find list of repositories? My repository in list doesn't work or it is very slow |
| 15:03.34 | rubymonk | well |
| 15:03.38 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 15:03.39 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 15:03.47 | rubymonk | never had an error I wasn't guilty of anyways :D |
| 15:04.13 | rubymonk | Noone has an idea for this ???? I removed the z25 and the z45 file of udev... it still renamed my eth interface... any idea ? |
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| 15:04.31 | solemnwarning | Hi |
| 15:04.51 | hoxu | !greet solemnwarning |
| 15:04.51 | dpkg | Tag, solemnwarning |
| 15:04.52 | solemnwarning | Are any email accounts besides root and postmaster supposed to exist on the local machine's domain? |
| 15:05.04 | rubymonk | why on earth this stupid udev thinks it should rename my interfaces.. ? |
| 15:05.18 | cmanns | Give them cute names :3 |
| 15:05.40 | rubymonk | solemnwarning, Well, you can have their definition on a remote ldap or sql server... |
| 15:05.51 | rubymonk | and the data itself... say... over NFS... |
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| 15:05.58 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 15:06.11 | UNDERsoN | which repository is prety fast. I don't want enable repoz from my country give me advice |
| 15:06.20 | solemnwarning | I mean, do any email accounts, as in users/addresses need to exist besides root and postmaster? |
| 15:06.25 | rubymonk | UNDERsoN, take one close of you |
| 15:06.27 | solemnwarning | Are any other addresses used by Debian/etc? |
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| 15:06.46 | dennis1242342353 | Trying to install proftpd on lenny but get this error LoadModule: error loading module 'mod_lang.c , how should i fix this? |
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| 15:07.13 | rubymonk | solemnwarning, might... |
| 15:07.36 | hoxu | solemnwarning, hum, I'd assume /etc/aliases ships with good defaults |
| 15:07.44 | solemnwarning | Good point |
| 15:07.59 | rubymonk | Damn, stupid udev |
| 15:08.07 | solemnwarning | I'm guessing all required accounts are alias'd to root by default? |
| 15:08.12 | rubymonk | I'll have to find out what that crap does... :( |
| 15:08.22 | rubymonk | solemnwarning, usually, yes |
| 15:08.28 | rubymonk | well, by default, yes |
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| 15:09.47 | darkapostrophe | why? |
| 15:09.49 | solemnwarning | Why? |
| 15:09.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 15:09.57 | rubymonk | it renamed my eth interface |
| 15:10.02 | solemnwarning | rubymonk: To what? |
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| 15:10.10 | rubymonk | from eth0 to eth3 |
| 15:10.12 | petemc | solemnwarning: when you're configuring exim for the first, you're asked which account mail to root goes to |
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| 15:10.23 | solemnwarning | rubymonk: That feature's great |
| 15:10.28 | rubymonk | even though I deleted the z25 and the z45 files |
| 15:10.45 | solemnwarning | I loved setting up etch and having eth names preserved based on first detection, not hardware location |
| 15:10.55 | rubymonk | solemnwarning, It's great if it doesn't do it when I expressly tell it to NOT touch |
| 15:10.57 | solemnwarning | Adding extra eth cards in sarge was a hazard for a router/server |
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| 15:11.43 | solemnwarning | I used to have to connect a loopback 8P8C on each port to test which one was which whenever I added/removed a card |
| 15:12.19 | rubymonk | solemnwarning, Right, I agree on this, still, if I tell it to not touch it, it shouldn't |
| 15:12.24 | rubymonk | and this purely sucks |
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| 15:12.27 | solemnwarning | True |
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| 15:12.29 | stew | rubymonk: how do you know that udev did it? |
| 15:12.51 | rubymonk | stew, from dmesg |
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| 15:13.11 | rubymonk | udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth3 |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | !blame udev |
| 15:14.14 | hoxu | rubymonk, tried grep -rn 'eth3' /etc ? |
| 15:14.27 | CoolCold | very funny when upgrading from kernel 2.4 to 2.6, rebooting machine and it's not responding |
| 15:14.47 | CoolCold | going to datacentr, lookin on console and see - eth0 now is eth1 and vice versa |
| 15:14.49 | stew | CoolCold: are you booting from SATA drives? |
| 15:14.49 | abrotman | CoolCold: sata ? |
| 15:14.50 | rubymonk | hoxu, Nothing |
| 15:14.54 | grendal_prime | anyone familiar with memcache? |
| 15:14.54 | abrotman | oh |
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| 15:15.15 | rubymonk | CoolCold, Hehe, yes |
| 15:15.22 | rubymonk | udev should be shot |
| 15:15.34 | stew | rubymonk: can you show us the output of "grep eth /etc/udev/rules.d/*" |
| 15:15.42 | stew | rubymonk: you are free to remove it |
| 15:15.58 | hoxu | !tell grendal_prime about anyone |
| 15:16.07 | rubymonk | at least this stew a software I use requires it |
| 15:16.17 | stew | rubymonk: what software? |
| 15:16.22 | solemnwarning | aptitude purge udev && aptitude install udev might work |
| 15:16.24 | rubymonk | stew, I think it's fuse |
| 15:16.35 | rubymonk | I need fuse for ntfsmount |
| 15:16.38 | solemnwarning | That will probably purge the file containing iface list |
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| 15:17.24 | grendal_prime | hoxu: ya i know but im trying to save time |
| 15:17.35 | stew | solemnwarning: that would make it definately do the the thing he doesn't want it to do |
| 15:17.47 | grendal_prime | ok php5-memcache anyone have a simple example where they cache an entire page of data? |
| 15:17.55 | grendal_prime | and yes i already asked in php |
| 15:18.02 | solemnwarning | stew: Oh? |
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| 15:18.21 | stew | solemnwarning: yes, debian ships udev configured to rename ethernet devices |
| 15:18.25 | solemnwarning | I'm assuming udev has record of 3 old eth cards, that's why it's eth3 |
| 15:18.31 | rubymonk | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/767189 |
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| 15:19.20 | rubymonk | Well, I thought that deleting the z25 and z45 files did the job... |
| 15:19.27 | rubymonk | as told by dpkg |
| 15:19.36 | PiousMinion | downgrading is a freaking nightmare. lol |
| 15:19.40 | stew | rubymonk: and you've rebooted since then? |
| 15:19.47 | rubymonk | stew, yes |
| 15:20.49 | stew | rubymonk: file a bug |
| 15:20.53 | hoxu | rubymonk, it's an alien invasion. There is no other explanation. |
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| 15:21.28 | rubymonk | damn :) |
| 15:21.42 | rubymonk | will file a bug |
| 15:22.05 | stew | rubymonk: is there some reason you can't just name the interfaces the way you want them in z25 ? |
| 15:22.34 | rubymonk | stew, Because the HD will go from a machine to an other |
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| 15:22.50 | rubymonk | So I always need to have an interface on eth0... |
| 15:23.05 | stew | rubymonk: and you don't know the MAC address of the machine it is going into? |
| 15:23.14 | rubymonk | stew, No |
| 15:23.26 | rubymonk | Interfaces may change |
| 15:23.34 | rubymonk | aswell as the machines |
| 15:23.45 | rubymonk | it's a mobile hard drive (tm) :) |
| 15:23.47 | stew | rubymonk: so you have to have an eth0, even if that happens to be, for instace a firewire port? |
| 15:24.31 | rubymonk | stew, well, I don't recall having compiled the kernel with support for this kind of thing |
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| 15:26.12 | dennis1242342353 | can you mount FTP server in a local system ? |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | !ftpfs |
| 15:26.27 | dpkg | a virtual filesystem for transparent FTP access. 'apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils' |
| 15:26.42 | PiousMinion | "122 not fully installed or removed" hmmmm |
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| 15:26.46 | abrotman | i think that's out of date |
| 15:26.51 | abrotman | dennis1242342353: apt-cache search ftpfs |
| 15:26.54 | erpo | I don't have access to the kernel source right now. Could someone tell me if the string ST3500630AS appears in drivers/scsi/sata_sil.c ? |
| 15:27.01 | petemc | dennis1242342353: if thats what you need to do, then samba is a better option |
| 15:27.15 | dennis1242342353 | petemc why that? |
| 15:27.30 | petemc | dennis1242342353: because its a network filesystem, ftp is not |
| 15:27.37 | rubymonk | I guess I'll write a small ruby script that will look for the eth\d :) |
| 15:28.07 | dennis1242342353 | petemc mmm kinda wonder why gthumb didn't work.....now i get it |
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| 15:28.44 | stew | rubymonk: try creating an empty z25_persistent-net.rules file |
| 15:29.02 | atula | hi. I'm trying to set up postfix and I'm in a bit of confusion. I'm doing a multiple domains set up with virtual user, non-UNIX user way. Now how do I manage users/password if all I do is editing the virtual_mailbox_maps? |
| 15:29.25 | rubymonk | stew, ok, trying |
| 15:29.38 | rubymonk | rebooting... |
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| 15:30.39 | rubymonk | stew, Same |
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| 15:31.59 | crumblenaut | hi, is the latest Apache in sarge (1.3.34-4.1) vulnerable to any of the Apache bugs that exist for this version of Apache or are they patched? |
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| 15:32.11 | crumblenaut | and is sarge still being updated in terms of security updates? |
| 15:33.13 | stew | rubymonk: you could try sticking with the default schmeme, but writing a modified /lib/udev/write_net_rules |
| 15:33.18 | \amethyst | crumblenaut: that's not the latest version in sarge |
| 15:33.35 | \amethyst | crumblenaut: sarge has 1.3.33-6sarge3. The version you refer to is from etch and lenny |
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| 15:33.59 | stew | crumblenaut: security support for sarge will stop in april |
| 15:34.07 | rubymonk | stew, What if I knew the MAC address ? |
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| 15:34.22 | stew | rubymonk: you could write a rule to give that address eth0 |
| 15:34.25 | crumblenaut | ok thanks |
| 15:34.37 | rubymonk | hum... any idea how to do this ? |
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| 15:35.23 | stew | rubymonk: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:00:00:00:00:00", NAME="eth0" |
| 15:36.09 | rubymonk | in z25 ? |
| 15:36.21 | stew | yes |
| 15:36.24 | rubymonk | nice |
| 15:36.25 | rubymonk | Thanks |
| 15:36.30 | rubymonk | I'll try this now |
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| 15:38.28 | UNDERsoN | where usualy I can get gpg key of repository |
| 15:38.34 | rubymonk | worked |
| 15:38.42 | rubymonk | thanks stew |
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| 15:39.58 | \amethyst | UNDERsoN: of the debian archive, or a third-party repository? |
| 15:40.36 | UNDERsoN | \amethyst debian |
| 15:40.48 | \amethyst | UNDERsoN: the package debian-archive-keyring |
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| 15:48.01 | riz_ | Hello. Does someone knows if soundblaster x-fi is supported from linux ? |
| 15:48.44 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 15:48.45 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 15:49.06 | sf7 | apt-get install rrdtool should work, right? it doesnt find it. |
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| 15:50.38 | sf7 | couild someone try apt-cache search rrdtool ? |
| 15:51.04 | hark | sf7: pastebin apt-cache policy |
| 15:51.12 | Eulex | riz_, only a binary proprietary beta driver for amd64 has been released. |
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| 15:51.37 | Eulex | there's no open source driver |
| 15:52.01 | rubymonk | sf7, It's there |
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| 15:53.31 | sf7 | dang, why cant i find it? im using nus.edu.sg source. |
| 15:53.41 | sf7 | has never failed me yet |
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| 15:56.16 | netwind | hi guy. is anybody using nut with dump ippon ups ? |
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| 15:59.58 | grub | Xitium, date |
| 15:59.58 | azeem | Xitium: date |
| 16:00.07 | Xitium | ahh, I was trying time :P |
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| 16:00.51 | riz_ | Eulex thanks. Ok I've erased my order and substitue it with Audigy ADVANCED HD. This probabily work fine with linux (actually I've audigy 2, and works fine) |
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| 16:02.24 | Eulex | riz_, check with alsa-project.org |
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| 16:03.23 | harold | I never actually loaded the conntrack module, but when I did lsmod it claims it was loaded. According to grep -R it's never referenced in /etc. Anyone know where modules like conntrack get loaded? |
| 16:03.57 | junix|work | what is the ATI one liner?? |
| 16:04.54 | Eulex | !ati oneliner |
| 16:05.17 | Freakingme | what is the preferred way of installing php 5.2.4 on my debian box? |
| 16:05.21 | Eulex | !test |
| 16:05.22 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:05.23 | Decepticon | fail |
| 16:05.28 | azeem | !test |
| 16:05.45 | Eulex | !ati one-liner |
| 16:05.46 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 16:07.22 | Eulex | Freakingme, whatever php5 that is in the release of debian you're using won't do? |
| 16:07.22 | stew | Freakingme: you need 5.2.4? 5.2.0 won't work? |
| 16:07.23 | Freakingme | indeed |
| 16:07.25 | stew | Freakingme: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 16:07.45 | stew | Freakingme: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:08.06 | Freakingme | thanks |
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| 16:12.25 | mike1o | are there any prebuilt low latency kernel solutions for debian? |
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| 16:13.19 | AnyFile | I have problem with font display with program inkview and rsvg-view (both program are to display svg image). In inkiew the font appear missed up, in rsvg-view they are not displayed at all. |
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| 16:14.06 | AnyFile | I do not know if this is related to, but if I install (or remove) a font package I receive a warning message "warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc does not exist or is not a directory" |
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| 16:16.21 | dennis1242342353 | how can i get NFS to export my whole /mnt directory and the under lying direcotrys? |
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| 16:20.35 | mike1o | !rt |
| 16:20.36 | dpkg | well, rt is Request Tracker |
| 16:20.45 | mike1o | !real time |
| 16:20.57 | mike1o | !realtime |
| 16:21.05 | petemc | !msg |
| 16:21.05 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 16:24.33 | jelly | dennis1242342353: you'd need to export all underlying mountpoints too, and use nohide option to access them transparently on the client. man exports |
| 16:24.36 | tingle | hi, i cant get my sound to work i just installed debian on my laptop for sound support i installed 'alsa-base' and 'alsa-utils' the 'alsamixer command' does work i can set the volume but i have no sound so far |
| 16:24.40 | tingle | can someone help me out? |
| 16:25.03 | dennis1242342353 | jelly so i need to export all 5000 sub directorys to acces them???? |
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| 16:26.11 | jelly | dennis1242342353: only if you have 5000 mount points under /mnt. Normal directory descending just works |
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| 16:26.38 | dennis1242342353 | jelly no i exported only /mnt ....so all the directorys decendings should work? |
| 16:26.59 | Jyzygzel- | anyone know how to get IRDa to work with Debian? |
| 16:27.06 | Jyzygzel- | i have IR port in my laptop |
| 16:27.16 | Jyzygzel- | but how do i detect it since its not in serial port |
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| 16:27.45 | jelly | dennis1242342353: yes |
| 16:28.02 | dennis1242342353 | jelly well is doens't :-) |
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| 16:28.18 | beardy | Jyzygzel-: See if dmesg said anything about it? |
| 16:28.24 | Jyzygzel- | oh ok |
| 16:28.50 | jelly | dennis1242342353: did you mount the partition on /mnt after exporting, or did it mount at boot? |
| 16:29.00 | Jyzygzel- | beardy my dmesg is already filled with something else |
| 16:29.15 | dennis1242342353 | jelly the partion was allready mounted when i installed nfs |
| 16:29.18 | beardy | Jyzygzel-: /var/log/dmesg IIRC. |
| 16:29.27 | beardy | Jyzygzel-: Also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ |
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| 16:29.35 | jelly | dennis1242342353: should work, then |
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| 16:30.09 | dennis1242342353 | jelly nope |
| 16:30.11 | jelly | dennis1242342353: can you pastebin df on the nfs server, and on the client when the share is mounted? |
| 16:30.27 | Jyzygzel- | beardy it just says irda_init() |
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| 16:30.36 | Jyzygzel- | cat /var/log/dmesg | grep irda |
| 16:31.02 | mike1o | are there any precompiled low latency kernels image packages somewhere? |
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| 16:31.06 | beardy | Jyzygzel-: Use less(1) instead, and see if there's more, at the following line? |
| 16:31.10 | dennis1242342353 | jelly second restarted everthing |
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| 16:32.03 | Jyzygzel- | beardy no theres not |
| 16:32.09 | Eulex | beardy, less is more! ;) |
| 16:32.16 | beardy | Jyzygzel-: Check that howto then. |
| 16:32.25 | hark | Jyzygzel-: dmesg |grep tty |
| 16:32.27 | beardy | Eulex: Definately. |
| 16:32.31 | dennis1242342353 | jelly http://pastebin.com/m952d287 is my export file |
| 16:33.13 | Jyzygzel- | hark yes |
| 16:33.19 | Jyzygzel- | i get 3 rows |
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| 16:34.58 | AnyFile | How less choose what editor to lunch when v is pressed? in the man page there is written that vi i s lanched if none variable (VISUAL, EDITOR) is set, but on my system pico is lunched even if no variables are set |
| 16:35.08 | dennis1242342353 | jelly and? |
| 16:35.29 | jelly | dennis1242342353: and what? I asked for df |
| 16:35.36 | beardy | AnyFile: It is set. |
| 16:35.40 | beardy | !alternatives |
| 16:35.41 | dpkg | well, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 16:35.48 | beardy | AnyFile: ^^^ |
| 16:35.55 | hark | Jyzygzel-: you can configure via dpkg-reconfigure irda-utils |
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| 16:36.17 | Jyzygzel- | oh |
| 16:36.22 | AnyFile | thanks |
| 16:36.24 | dennis1242342353 | jelly df of the nfs server http://pastebin.com/m4cdd0239 |
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| 16:36.40 | omry | hi all, my server goes very slow every once in a while and I can't figure out what causes it. can you recommended a good process log that will log cpu usage, memory usage, and anything else which might help analyze the problem after it happens? |
| 16:36.49 | beardy | AnyFile: Using update-alternatives you can select another default editor. But if you only want to change for your own user, setting $EDITOR in your .bashrc is better. |
| 16:37.00 | jelly | dennis1242342353: you have a mount point under /mnt. You need to export it. |
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| 16:38.59 | eroticon | Hello |
| 16:38.59 | jelly | dennis1242342353: if /mnt/gallery2 is not exported, all the clients are going to see is an empty directory there |
| 16:38.59 | eroticon | whats a good sources.list I could use that includes the lastest packages and security updates? |
| 16:38.59 | beardy | omry: top, if you are there when it happens, but yes.. there are things doing what you want, I don't recall any names, so I'd have to search, like you. |
| 16:38.59 | stew | eroticon: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 16:39.20 | eroticon | tog ctcp_flood_protection off |
| 16:39.46 | omry | beardy, top is not good enough because by the time it happens the system is loaded with stuff like many mysql processes, which I suspect are caused as a side effect of the real problem. |
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| 16:41.20 | assasuka | !simple sid backport |
| 16:41.20 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 16:41.27 | Jyzygzel- | SID! |
| 16:41.39 | mooper | does anyone know how to transcode DV video to WMV9? |
| 16:42.01 | Jyzygzel- | mooper prolly some really talented coders |
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| 16:42.11 | mooper | you recon? |
| 16:42.18 | sfb | Hey everyone. |
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| 16:42.42 | sfb | I was looking into packaging my library and during the discussion of future development I suggested that we implement Cg. |
| 16:42.59 | sfb | THe guy that is doing the packaging said that we'd get kicked out of main if we did that. |
| 16:43.21 | sfb | If we linked with Cg (nvidia-toolkit-cg is in non-free) where would our packages be put? |
| 16:44.25 | azeem | at best contrib |
| 16:44.39 | sfb | At worse? |
| 16:44.56 | dennis1242342353 | jelly got it |
| 16:44.57 | azeem | at worse the result is undistributable |
| 16:45.00 | sfb | We're GPLv2. We've already excluded our FMOD driver on Linux in favor of the OpenAL driver. |
| 16:45.20 | sfb | The problem is that I don't know of an "easy" way to put Cg into a loadable module. |
| 16:45.59 | azeem | asking in here is not like getting legal advise anyway |
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| 16:46.17 | azeem | sfb: you could ask debian-legal@lists.debian.org, but that is not legal advise, either |
| 16:46.21 | sfb | No, I'm not asking about GPL licensing - I'm asking about what repo I'll end up in and what the problems with that are. |
| 16:46.41 | sfb | So assuming we got put into contrib - what is the downside to that, as opposed to being in main? |
| 16:46.59 | azeem | people might refuse to install stuff from contrib, and contrib is not enabled by default |
| 16:47.17 | sfb | k |
| 16:47.31 | jelly | azeem: interestingly, base install enables main + s.d.o main & contrib |
| 16:48.04 | beardy | omry: You can look at "monit", but not really what you want either.. |
| 16:48.18 | omry | beardy, I know monit.. (and using it). |
| 16:48.33 | omry | I think I found something : acct package |
| 16:49.26 | beardy | omry: rrdtool? |
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| 16:49.41 | omry | beardy, hmm? |
| 16:49.43 | stew | jelly: s.d.o doesn't even support contrib |
| 16:49.44 | jelly | omry: atop could also be helpful, but for complete functionality you need a patched kernel |
| 16:49.55 | jelly | stew: sounds like a bug then |
| 16:50.15 | stew | jelly: they have an empty Pacakges.gz up there, so it doens't cause problems. but it does seem odd |
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| 16:50.33 | sfb | Thanks azeem |
| 16:50.42 | beardy | !+info rrdtool stable |
| 16:50.44 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:50.51 | stew | sfb: what license is nvidia-toolkit-cg under? |
| 16:51.35 | sfb | It's proprietary, some nvidia license. |
| 16:51.35 | dpkg | rrdtool: (Time-series data storage and display system (programs)), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.2.15-0.3 (etch), Packaged size: 485 kB, Installed size: 1072 kB |
| 16:51.36 | beardy | omry: ^^^ |
| 16:51.36 | sfb | Presumably the same as the video drivers. |
| 16:51.36 | stew | sfb: then GPL software linked against it is not distributable |
| 16:51.36 | omry | beardy, that's a generic took for data storage, right? |
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| 16:51.42 | omry | s/took/tool |
| 16:52.17 | jelly | omry: no, it's really a tool that puts numbers in round-robin tables |
| 16:52.21 | beardy | omry: I guess so yes, but probably some examples in the package, maybe doing what you want. |
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| 16:53.25 | sfb | It's too bad there's no Free alternative to it. |
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| 16:55.16 | azeem | sfb: and as I said before, it the result is not redistributable, it'll end up nowhere, not even non-free |
| 16:55.25 | azeem | s/it the/if the/ |
| 16:55.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | sfb, to what? (sorry, missed the first part of the convo) |
| 16:55.31 | Rapp | on amd64, how can i get iceweasel to use my java installation? |
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| 16:56.14 | jelly | omri: what the numbers represent is up to you, but it's usually used to collect all sorts of stats. cricket is one of the apps that uses rrdtool, it collects data from a server (or a farm) and draws pretty graphs :-) |
| 16:56.15 | sfb | Kamping_Kaiser: nVidia's Cg toolkit. |
| 16:57.51 | mogra | Rapp: is the plugin file linked in IW's plugin folder? |
| 16:57.51 | Rapp | where is IW's plugin folder? and which plugin shall i use? |
| 16:57.51 | Jyzygzel- | apt-get install vim-full |
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| 16:57.51 | Jyzygzel- | 45MB text editor :D |
| 16:57.51 | stew | Rapp: which java are you using? |
| 16:57.51 | stew | Rapp: sun's? |
| 16:57.51 | mogra | if there's a 64-bit version at java.com *can't remember* |
| 16:57.51 | sfb | Jyzygzel-: It's the Microsoft Word of console Linux. (; |
| 16:57.51 | mogra | Jyzygzel-: Don't be hating on vim like that, such a harsh statement |
| 16:57.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | sfb, ah right |
| 16:57.59 | Rapp | $ java -version |
| 16:57.59 | Rapp | java version "1.5.0" |
| 16:57.59 | Rapp | gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.2.1 (Debian 4.2.1-5) |
| 16:58.07 | Rapp | but i DO have sun's java installed, too |
| 16:58.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | 45mb? wtf? |
| 16:58.19 | stew | Rapp: sun doesn't probide a browser plugin for 64 bit |
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| 16:58.28 | Rapp | /etc/alternatives points to gcj |
| 16:58.32 | sfb | Kamping_Kaiser: Closest thing is libsh - but I need a full shader langauge that is driver agnostic (OGL and D3D) and platform agnostic (Intel, PPC) |
| 16:59.20 | Rapp | stew, no? hmpf... |
| 16:59.20 | Jyzygzel- | Kamping_Kaiser not mb but MB |
| 16:59.20 | Rapp | thank goodness konq uses the plain binary... |
| 16:59.21 | stew | Rapp: you can try gcjwebplugin |
| 16:59.21 | sfb | k, ttyl |
| 16:59.21 | Jyzygzel- | sfb no its (Microsoft Word)^2 |
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| 16:59.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jyzygzel-, point remains |
| 16:59.30 | tingle | hi, i cant get my sound to work i just installed debian on my laptop for sound support i installed 'alsa-base' and 'alsa-utils' the 'alsamixer command' does work i can set the volume but i have no sound so far. can someone help me out? |
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| 17:00.08 | mogra | tingle: tried alsaconf? |
| 17:00.09 | stew | tingle: how are you trying to play sound? is the volume both up and unmuted? for both master and pcm channels? |
| 17:00.15 | Jyzygzel- | Kamping_Kaiser the point that that statement set? |
| 17:00.21 | Jyzygzel- | are you sure? |
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| 17:01.09 | omry | jelly, atop seems interesting. how do I check data from a specific time? |
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| 17:01.19 | tingle | stew: yes there both up |
| 17:01.25 | Jyzygzel- | Kamping_Kaiser cause it would mean Meter Bit |
| 17:01.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jyzygzel-, basically, i'm saying 'wtf is with vim being 45 mb, i've never seen that before' |
| 17:01.34 | stew | tingle: what program are you using to play sound? |
| 17:01.40 | tingle | mogra: bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 17:01.42 | Jyzygzel- | 45 meter bits ;) |
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| 17:01.53 | tingle | stew: youtube.com |
| 17:01.56 | Jyzygzel- | i ment Mega Bytes |
| 17:02.09 | Jyzygzel- | :-D |
| 17:02.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | tonight has *not* ben my night |
| 17:02.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | *been |
| 17:02.27 | mogra | tingle: check aptitude for "alsaconf", I thought it was installed with alsa-utils, tho |
| 17:02.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 17:02.30 | stew | tingle: does aplay work? |
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| 17:03.10 | jelly | omry: it can log a to file and you can later review with atop (the client) |
| 17:03.25 | Rapp | wow, the gcj plugin sucks... :( |
| 17:03.38 | omry | jelly, the default installation in debian logs to a file. |
| 17:03.56 | tingle | stew: aplay seems to work only need to fetch a .mp3 |
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| 17:05.25 | stew | tingle: "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" |
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| 17:06.01 | mogra | Anyone know a good, but inexpensive, USB BT card that would work in any OS without much hassle? >.> |
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| 17:06.48 | jelly | omry: I'm not sure what you're asking. |
| 17:06.48 | tingle | stew: thanks diddnt work sadly enough :( |
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| 17:06.48 | tingle | stew: no sound i mean |
| 17:06.55 | omry | jelly, if I need to check what was happening yesterday, how do I do it with atop? |
| 17:06.56 | mogra | tingle: what kind of sound card? |
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| 17:07.42 | grendal_prime | i dont understand memcache |
| 17:07.42 | stew | tingle: can you show us the contents of /proc/asound/cards ; and the output of "amixer" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:07.42 | tingle | mogra: intel onboard card i installed debian on my laptop |
| 17:07.45 | jelly | omry: the man page provides options to read from a log file and choose only a particular chunk of it |
| 17:07.57 | omry | jelly, looking, thanks. |
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| 17:08.32 | tingle | stew: ok just a sec |
| 17:08.55 | mogra | tingle: I'll wait on the pastebin too. |
| 17:09.03 | tingle | mogra: thanks :) |
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| 17:09.37 | tingle | heres the paste: http://pastebin.com/m1706ebf4 |
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| 17:10.24 | mogra | tingle: tried modprobe snd-intel8x0? |
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| 17:11.12 | tingle | mogra: im sorry i dont know what you mean |
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| 17:11.26 | mogra | command: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 17:11.56 | mogra | Laptops are funny, I have to do that from time ot time with mine to get sound working. |
| 17:11.59 | tingle | mogra: done, tried to play a sound again but no difference? do i need to restart x/ |
| 17:12.08 | mogra | you shouldn't have to, no |
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| 17:12.34 | tingle | mogra: the weird thing is it worked a couples weeks back just by installing alsa-base |
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| 17:15.08 | stew | tingle: your master volume is muted |
| 17:15.08 | stew | Front Left: Playback 30 [100%] [off] |
| 17:15.08 | mogra | ow, that would do it |
| 17:15.08 | tingle | lol serious? XD |
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| 17:15.09 | tingle | you guys rock |
| 17:15.09 | tingle | it works now |
| 17:15.09 | tingle | im so sorry and kinda a shamed :) |
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| 17:15.14 | tingle | how can i get a output of all installed packages? |
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| 17:15.20 | mogra | :) |
| 17:15.22 | bahadunn | dpkg -l |
| 17:15.25 | TheZenienss | Guys gave a modprobe 8139too and only installed a network card the second he recognizes the lspci but not catch ip, someone has any idea? |
| 17:15.49 | bahadunn | TheZenienss: what? |
| 17:15.55 | mogra | you might need to rerun dhclient, no? |
| 17:15.57 | zack23 | I'm running etch - I see openssl.org says that 0.9.8g is the latest and most stable release, yet etch released a security update for 0.9.8c - did they just fix it in 0.9.8c or should I manually upgrade to 0.9.8g? |
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| 17:16.20 | TheZenienss | [bahadunn]: placa de rede relteck |
| 17:16.29 | TheZenienss | Network card relteck |
| 17:17.14 | bahadunn | zack23: etch is stable which means it only gets security updates not new versions of software |
| 17:17.15 | bahadunn | zack23: so debian security team backports the security patches to the version in etch |
| 17:17.15 | zack23 | bahadunn: So I am to assume those security fixes were merged into 0.9.8c then? Basically am I safe? |
| 17:17.15 | zack23 | bahadunn: ahh awesome. Thanks |
| 17:17.15 | TheZenienss | I am trying to install 2 network cards realteck in debian |
| 17:17.15 | tingle | well thanks everyone for helping me out i got no idea how i got muted but it works now :) thanks again |
| 17:17.26 | bahadunn | zack23: yes thats right |
| 17:18.00 | bahadunn | zack23: you can subscribe to the debian security announce mailing list and be notified whenever a new package comes out that fixes a security issue |
| 17:18.11 | TheZenienss | Have any idea? |
| 17:18.13 | bahadunn | zack23: it will tell you what was fixed and give a report about it |
| 17:18.28 | zack23 | bahadunn: thank you very much |
| 17:18.32 | bahadunn | zack23: welcome |
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| 17:18.43 | TheZenienss | have any ideia bahadunn |
| 17:18.45 | TheZenienss | ? |
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| 17:19.03 | bahadunn | zack23: it is also viewable on the debian security webpage |
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| 17:19.07 | bahadunn | zack23: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 17:20.42 | TheZenienss | I am trying to install 02 signs realteck in debian not work and someone could help me? |
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| 17:28.04 | runa | hey :) when I mount a remote share using CIFS (server is linux) and the share has symlinks the links are not resolved so I end with the remote symlinks pointing to files in my machine. This works if I use smbclient. any hints? |
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| 17:31.21 | freezer | hi |
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| 17:31.54 | freezer | don't beat me, but when will debian 5.0 be released? |
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| 17:32.09 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 17:32.09 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:32.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian 5? bit early to ask that isnt itr? |
| 17:32.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
| 17:32.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | it :) |
| 17:32.47 | freezer | why? |
| 17:32.49 | mogra | that's the Debian way of doing things |
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| 17:32.59 | freezer | is there any timeframe? |
| 17:33.08 | mogra | Yea, when Lenny is deemed "stable" |
| 17:33.13 | mogra | :D |
| 17:33.14 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 17:33.14 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:33.17 | freezer | like winter 08 |
| 17:33.18 | xand | freezer: who knows, a year? |
| 17:33.21 | mogra | that's how Etch worked |
| 17:33.22 | freezer | wtf |
| 17:33.35 | mogra | I don't think he gets the concept. |
| 17:33.38 | freezer | the packages in etch are so old *cry* |
| 17:33.39 | cico | !wir |
| 17:33.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 17:33.59 | simonrvn | freezer: ... |
| 17:34.01 | jelly | freezer: absolutely no timeframe for 5.0. The next release might even be 4.1 or something |
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| 17:34.09 | mogra | freezer: then use Lenny or Sid |
| 17:34.21 | freezer | sid is too unstable i guess |
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| 17:34.31 | freezer | and Lenny dunno |
| 17:34.33 | cico | my colleague uses full blown sid without a problem |
| 17:34.40 | cico | I am upgrading to Lenny today. |
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| 17:34.43 | freezer | can i use Lenny for my Notebook? |
| 17:34.46 | mogra | Lenny runs well on my Sager D87P |
| 17:34.53 | Nyle | when problem does occur, if he doesn't know how to fix it, he is toast, cuz sid isn't supported here |
| 17:35.18 | jelly | freezer: new software versions are less stable by definition. What packages do you need that are too old in etch? |
| 17:35.25 | freezer | i used sid a long time |
| 17:35.26 | amphi | freezer: why not? I do |
| 17:35.28 | mogra | probably libc6 |
| 17:35.33 | freezer | but then things get broken it suxx |
| 17:35.51 | freezer | and since this is my only computer i have right now.. |
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| 17:36.17 | mogra | freezer: isn't that what sid is for? break things, make them better, break things, make them better, throw them in lenny, break things, make them better until lenny is ready for stable release |
| 17:36.31 | freezer | xand: and the packages are much more 'up to date' than the ones from etch? |
| 17:36.37 | Phil | blah |
| 17:36.44 | xand | that varies |
| 17:36.45 | Phil | still not fixed VLC in Lenny :( |
| 17:36.55 | freezer | i need VLC |
| 17:36.56 | freezer | lol |
| 17:36.56 | xand | lack of VLC is the most annoying thing ;) |
| 17:37.09 | hark | Phil: only been 4 months, need more time ;) |
| 17:37.10 | mogra | Phil: then try compiling the newest VLC |
| 17:37.19 | freezer | i could use mplayer but VLC is more comfortable |
| 17:37.21 | amphi | mplayer works well |
| 17:37.31 | Phil | mogra, I'll slowly get it from Sid |
| 17:37.35 | jelly | because it's so hard pinning vlc to unstable. |
| 17:37.35 | Phil | how I love doing this |
| 17:37.49 | jelly | or building a backport. |
| 17:38.16 | mogra | I've been testing MEPIS for possible Grandma recommendation... and VLC runs well over there. |
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| 17:38.40 | jelly | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:38.40 | freezer | maybe i should switch to gentoo |
| 17:38.40 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 17:39.04 | amphi | freezer: could idea - melt your laptop ;) |
| 17:39.09 | amphi | s/could/good |
| 17:39.11 | jelly | freezer: have fun |
| 17:39.16 | freezer | lol :D |
| 17:39.30 | mogra | or Gutsy, at least it's semi-Deb, and runs VLC well >.> |
| 17:39.33 | freezer | why not? shouldn't be that hard |
| 17:39.48 | jelly | it's not topical here, in any case |
| 17:39.48 | abrotman | mogra: there's another debian based one that oyu might want to check out .. as soon as i remember the name :) |
| 17:39.58 | mogra | abrotman: Xandros? |
| 17:40.03 | freezer | abrotman: Ubuntu |
| 17:40.04 | freezer | ? |
| 17:40.05 | abrotman | no |
| 17:40.15 | freezer | Kubuntu? |
| 17:40.16 | mogra | freezer: Gutsy=Ubuntu :P |
| 17:40.25 | jelly | abrotman: abrotix? |
| 17:40.35 | freezer | mogra, i see |
| 17:40.36 | simonrvn | abrotu |
| 17:40.42 | bahadunn | hehe |
| 17:40.42 | freezer | rofl |
| 17:40.45 | jelly | abrotian |
| 17:40.48 | mogra | debrotian |
| 17:40.49 | freezer | dubuntu |
| 17:41.01 | freezer | Dubai :p |
| 17:41.03 | mogra | too much fun, yea |
| 17:41.05 | mogra | anyway |
| 17:41.14 | Eulex | Phil, the unstable packages of vlc works well on testing. |
| 17:41.27 | mogra | MEPIS is nice, but if Gutsy is true on the ease of FF plugins in LInux, it might be my recommendation |
| 17:41.33 | abrotman | mogra: http://www.symphonyos.com/ |
| 17:41.52 | Phil | Eulex, yeh |
| 17:41.56 | jelly | nexenta *ducks* |
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| 17:42.09 | mogra | abrotman: ooh, thx. |
| 17:42.15 | simonrvn | *quack* |
| 17:42.19 | pk | hello, where is the repository configuration in debian? |
| 17:42.21 | pk | i can't remember |
| 17:42.27 | mogra | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:42.27 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:42.39 | rmaj | jesus... boost library also is months old |
| 17:42.48 | rmaj | how can I use 1.34 boost lib? |
| 17:42.57 | mogra | Did someone call my name? *looks around* |
| 17:43.16 | abrotman | mogra: it's been around awhile .. not sure why people don't use it more ... |
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| 17:43.28 | abrotman | (for grandmas,etc) |
| 17:43.56 | jelly | looks like a one-man distro |
| 17:44.05 | mogra | abrotman: poor marketing? |
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| 17:44.25 | abrotman | mogra: not sure .. but it's a pretty simple interface for those that just need web/email/im |
| 17:44.34 | mogra | gOS |
| 17:44.38 | abrotman | jelly: if it is .. he's done a heck of a job |
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| 17:44.51 | mogra | Have granny just go to WalMart and buy the new $200 machine with gOS on it :3 |
| 17:44.52 | stew | rmaj: if you are going to get upset every time you discover that some software in debian is months old. you should probably switch to a different distribution |
| 17:45.09 | mogra | rflo |
| 17:45.10 | mogra | umm |
| 17:45.11 | rmaj | stew: it would seem so, too bad I used debian for long |
| 17:45.13 | mogra | rofl* |
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| 17:45.43 | stew | rmaj: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:47.15 | mogra | restate: Anyone know a good, but inexpensive, USB BT card that would work in any OS without much hassle? >.> |
| 17:47.22 | Nyle | heh, harsh but true |
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| 17:48.32 | stew | bluetooth without hassle? is that at all possible? |
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| 17:48.56 | abrotman | stew: bt is easy! :) |
| 17:49.17 | mogra | stew: I mean just detection. |
| 17:50.20 | Phil | why is it that my monitor will support various wide screen resolutions however Gnome is only letting me choose between 800x600 and 1024x768? |
| 17:50.55 | Eulex | Phil, what video card have you got and what X driver are you using? |
| 17:51.46 | Phil | am using xorg, if that's what you mean? |
| 17:51.52 | Eulex | no |
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| 17:52.00 | Eulex | what xorg video driver? |
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| 17:52.20 | mogra | I think he might mean Nvidia/Intel/AMDG/etc |
| 17:52.58 | Eulex | yes, for the video card part of the question. |
| 17:53.04 | Phil | vesa driver |
| 17:53.30 | Phil | Nvidia GeForce2 MX 400 |
| 17:54.06 | Eulex | Phil, then your video bios doesn't provide access to more modes than those modes through vesa vbe. try the nv or nvidia driver instead. |
| 17:54.14 | Phil | ok |
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| 17:54.37 | mogra | I recommend the nvidia *nod* |
| 17:54.38 | freezer | the nv driver is much more advanced these days? |
| 17:54.51 | freezer | more competetive to the nvidia? |
| 17:55.14 | mogra | I dunno, but I want proper AIGLX support back on my ATI card :( |
| 17:55.27 | Eulex | freezer, no. it doesn't even give 2d acceleration, afaik. but it should give him access to his modes. |
| 17:55.28 | stew | Phil: try the nv module first, as it is actually included in debian, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:55.41 | Phil | yah |
| 17:55.45 | Eulex | mogra, latest fglrx is supposed to have it, but it doesn't work for me. |
| 17:55.50 | Phil | rebooting |
| 17:55.59 | Phil | is there an easier way to restart X? |
| 17:56.00 | mogra | Eulex: is that 8.34? |
| 17:56.01 | stew | Phil: no need to reboot, just "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" |
| 17:56.03 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 17:56.04 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 17:56.07 | Phil | alright |
| 17:56.11 | Phil | will do so next time |
| 17:56.22 | Eulex | mogra, 8.42.3 |
| 17:56.44 | mogra | er, 8.43 or 8.44 was supposed to have it officially... let me double check |
| 17:56.56 | Phil | hrmmmm |
| 17:57.11 | Phil | that's changed it |
| 17:57.13 | Phil | cheers :) |
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| 17:57.47 | Eulex | mogra, oh, perhaps I'm mixing stuff up... |
| 17:57.49 | Naitse | hi |
| 17:57.56 | Naitse | i there a compiz manager???? |
| 17:58.04 | Eulex | yes. |
| 17:58.13 | simonrvn | yes??????? |
| 17:58.23 | takatumi | happy diwali y'all! |
| 17:58.23 | Naitse | where can i install it? |
| 17:58.24 | mogra | Eulex: yea, AMD is taking control of the driver direction and said "need GLX back in" |
| 17:58.45 | jelly | Eulex: fglrx 8.42.3 supports aiglx here, but not well enough to run compiz |
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| 17:59.33 | mogra | so pressure AMD Graphics :) |
| 17:59.42 | mogra | ATI should be the "awesome" it used to be >.> |
| 17:59.45 | Eulex | jelly, compiz just errors out on that GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available through neither direct rendering nor indirect rendering here, even though glxinfo lists the extension. |
| 18:00.44 | jelly | Eulex: Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" fixed that step for me on xpress 200 (rs485), but it failed on something else after that |
| 18:00.45 | Phil | although, annoyingly, when I play a wide screen movie in VLC, there are still reasonable sized black lines at the top and bottom |
| 18:00.47 | Phil | why is this? |
| 18:00.56 | Eulex | jelly, heh, ok |
| 18:01.12 | abrotman | Phil: different aspect ratio than your screen perhaps? |
| 18:01.23 | Phil | hrmmm |
| 18:01.24 | Phil | maybe |
| 18:01.29 | Eulex | Phil, are the black lines encoded into the video so it effectively is 4:3? |
| 18:01.48 | Phil | it does it with all I've tried, Eulex |
| 18:01.58 | Phil | most likely my aspect ratio is odd |
| 18:02.09 | freezer | http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/sys/473242713.html my ad, but i can't see the ad in the given category for the given day...anyone can? |
| 18:02.42 | Naitse | is the a compiz manager for debian etch? |
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| 18:03.17 | jelly | Eulex: that was with compiz 0.6.2 from experimental |
| 18:03.18 | stew | freezer: this is not the right forum for either adversitements, or help with craigslist |
| 18:03.30 | Eulex | jelly, ok |
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| 18:04.41 | Eulex | jelly, heh, interesting version number on 0.6.2 in experimental. |
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| 18:06.49 | wsxws | hi there :) |
| 18:06.59 | takatumi | 4hours and 54minutes for a DVD rip, is this normal, and yeah it's only 90% done. |
| 18:07.06 | wsxws | how to check which is the actual runlevel ? |
| 18:07.18 | hark | wsxws: /sbin/runlevel |
| 18:07.18 | mogra | why is it... that flash's vector controls... just feel... un vectorish... *pulls hair* |
| 18:07.23 | simonrvn | takatumi: happy diwali to you |
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| 18:07.55 | wsxws | how to check what is the actual os-versio ? |
| 18:07.55 | takatumi | simonrvn: danke & same to you :) |
| 18:07.57 | wsxws | n |
| 18:08.08 | sepski | !version |
| 18:08.08 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 18:08.40 | mogra | dpkg is very smart usr, ja |
| 18:08.51 | takatumi | simonrvn: neither do I officially, I'm christian too, but what the heck ;) |
| 18:09.05 | simonrvn | nor am i christian ;) |
| 18:09.18 | takatumi | mogra: it's a bot, it's as smart as you make it. |
| 18:09.37 | mogra | takatumi is now aliased as "Capn Obv" |
| 18:09.46 | mogra | :3 |
| 18:09.47 | wsxws | that debian_version thingie is cool |
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| 18:10.13 | wsxws | when i change modes for mounting in fstab, how can is make then work ? |
| 18:10.50 | wsxws | (i change my /tmp to noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 18:10.56 | wsxws | oops |
| 18:11.02 | wsxws | mya typing suck today |
| 18:11.13 | wsxws | i ment how can i activate the new settings ? |
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| 18:11.45 | sepski | wsxws, umount/mount or mount -o remount |
| 18:11.47 | Eulex | they will activate on next reboot. but if you want them to apply now, remount the partition. |
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| 18:13.26 | Nyle | how can I change the MAC of my NIC? |
| 18:13.29 | wsxws | mount -o remount does not work, also i can umount the /tmop, it tell me it would be busy |
| 18:13.41 | simonrvn | mount -o remount,rw,<other options> /foo |
| 18:13.43 | azeem | Nyle: why do you need to? |
| 18:13.48 | Nyle | well not change, spoof or whatever |
| 18:13.56 | Nyle | azeem: need to test my routers mac filtering |
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| 18:14.49 | Nyle | azeem: if i give my laptops mac through nmap the router responds, but if i try to connect to it otherwise no dice |
| 18:15.00 | stew | Nyle: ip link set addr 00:00:00:00:00 dev eth0 |
| 18:15.06 | Nyle | thanks |
| 18:15.41 | wsxws | mount -o remoutn gives out the -h file, trying -a remount gives out remount not found in fstab |
| 18:16.13 | stew | wsxws: "mount -o remount /mountpoint " or "mount -o remount /dev/whatever" |
| 18:16.21 | wsxws | mount -t remount did not give out any response |
| 18:16.37 | wsxws | ah |
| 18:16.52 | wsxws | mount -o remount /tmp semm to have worked |
| 18:17.02 | wsxws | how to check if the new options are valid ? |
| 18:18.27 | wsxws | at least i cant run a batch in there |
| 18:19.11 | wsxws | found it, typing just mount gives out the actual settings |
| 18:19.56 | wsxws | great, thanks a lot all :) |
| 18:20.09 | sepski | wsxws, and reading man mount would have saved you all the questions :) |
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| 18:20.51 | mogra | wsxws enters the room. Standing in front of him is the great ManTar and his friend ManMount... |
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| 18:21.06 | mogra | I love how they sound like RPG monsters :3 |
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| 18:22.35 | Optic | hey |
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| 18:22.51 | Optic | is there a way to restart a system with a new kernel from inside linux, without rebooting? |
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| 18:23.00 | Optic | I'm trying to make a failsafe boot system for upgrades |
| 18:23.05 | Zippy2 | Optic: no |
| 18:23.14 | plb | what is the current recommended client for ipod management in Debian? |
| 18:23.19 | Zippy2 | Optic: unless you use virtual machine |
| 18:23.22 | Zippy2 | but thats not restarting |
| 18:23.40 | Zippy2 | plb: is there an itunes for linux? |
| 18:23.47 | plb | Zippy2: nope |
| 18:23.52 | Optic | so I'd have to patch grub to check for something that indicates a problem with the system, and then boot into the recovery mode |
| 18:24.03 | stew | Optic: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 18:24.04 | Zippy2 | Optic: if it says to |
| 18:24.14 | stew | Optic: its already built into grub |
| 18:24.25 | wsxws | sepski the problem is that most of the mans are way to complicated for easy questions, if the would add some examples at the end the man wold be much more clear (me is german and chatting in english is one thing, reading such testfiles like they are in man is something else) |
| 18:24.29 | Optic | wicked |
| 18:24.52 | Eulex | there's actually a way to perform a 'soft' restart in new linux kernels. it just avoids rebooting the machine, though. all your apps will still be exited. |
| 18:25.07 | stew | wsxws: if you have good examples to add to the manpage, send them in a patch to the bts as a bug marked as wishlist |
| 18:25.08 | mogra | plb: /msg dpkg ipod |
| 18:25.23 | Optic | this is exactly what I want |
| 18:25.28 | Eulex | and you can 'boot' a new kernel with it. I don't remember the name of the feature, though. |
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| 18:25.54 | plb | so then is gtkpod still whats recommended? |
| 18:26.04 | mogra | in deb, probly |
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| 18:26.41 | Optic | soft reboot would also works |
| 18:27.17 | Optic | eulex: what i was thinking is to have some sort of pre-boot environment that could detect the state of the real system and "soft boot" into it if all was well |
| 18:27.38 | Optic | grub fallback seems to handle that situation |
| 18:27.41 | simonrvn | kexec IIRC |
| 18:28.05 | wsxws | stew werent u the one looking at my interfaces ? |
| 18:28.11 | simonrvn | for those hotpluggable cpus ;) |
| 18:28.28 | stew | wsxws: i dont' know. possibly |
| 18:28.36 | simonrvn | (don't try this at home kiddies) |
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| 18:30.18 | wsxws | anyway, i m glad i get helped in here in a fast and competent way nearly everytime i join here. thnaks again to all of u :) |
| 18:30.22 | wsxws | cu |
| 18:30.34 | simonrvn | blink |
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| 18:30.50 | stew | !customer |
| 18:30.50 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 18:32.34 | plb | you know it amazes me how #debian can be so friendly, and ##java can be so unfriendly :-P |
| 18:32.59 | mogra | do they not get enough caffeine in their coffee in the java channel? |
| 18:33.05 | plb | hehe |
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| 18:33.51 | plb | I have no idea.. maybe because .net is more popular lately... |
| 18:34.47 | Optic | is /boot somehow magic in linux? |
| 18:35.12 | stew | Optic: probably not. can you be more specific? |
| 18:35.14 | Optic | this grub page says it saves /boot/grub/default |
| 18:35.25 | Optic | but to which drive/partition? |
| 18:35.39 | Optic | the one specified in the grub root line? |
| 18:36.19 | Eulex | I'd assume so. |
| 18:36.22 | stew | Optic: the one in / unless you specify --root-direcotry |
| 18:36.41 | Optic | but how does it know what / is? :) |
| 18:36.41 | mogra | Optic: does an OS full of Ghosts, Daemons, Zombies, Shadows, etc, and with a Halloween release surprise you when "magic" comes into play? |
| 18:36.59 | plb | So my work wanted to me to port a C#.net app they wrote for a client who wanted it in java to integrate with some other java programs they had. The port was 95% making lowercase things in C#.net upper case and making collection accesses use .get and .put |
| 18:36.59 | stew | Optic: it assumes / is / unless you specify --root-directory |
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| 18:37.24 | stew | any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguisable from technology |
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| 18:38.46 | et | other people have been using it for a way longer time ;) |
| 18:38.57 | mogra | :3 |
| 18:39.51 | plb | eh... it was coined in 1973... so not that much longer... :-P |
| 18:40.41 | et | anything > 10 years is pretty long imo. |
| 18:40.50 | simonrvn | i'm older than that quote ... heh |
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| 18:41.09 | jelly | simonrvn: the inverted one, or the Clarke's one? |
| 18:41.17 | plb | hrm... actually that wasn't the Clarke quote... the inverted one is Niven |
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| 18:41.39 | plb | from 2002... |
| 18:41.44 | jelly | somewhere in Known Space? |
| 18:41.58 | simonrvn | ac clarke's |
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| 18:42.24 | plb | An article in "Analog Magazine" |
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| 18:42.36 | harold___ | Does my gateway need to be on a subnet that my machine is directly connected to? |
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| 18:42.53 | simonrvn | the irony is that i know songs that are older than all of us combined, or close |
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| 18:43.03 | plb | ..... |
| 18:43.21 | plb | how is that ironic? |
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| 18:44.01 | jelly | simonrvn: you sure? after all there's 697 people here. |
| 18:44.17 | mogra | 698 |
| 18:44.26 | plb | if we average 25 years old... which may be high for an irc channel... |
| 18:44.30 | jelly | !penixstrike mogra |
| 18:44.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mogra to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:44.46 | mogra | that was mean |
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| 18:44.51 | stew | i don't know how one could accurately determine the number of people in here |
| 18:44.52 | plb | that was bizarre |
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| 18:45.00 | RichiH | jelly: they prolly go along the lines of 'ugga agga ugga agga' |
| 18:45.18 | plb | It is more of a discrete probability function... |
| 18:45.22 | mogra | I dunno, I'm thinking more nature sounds *nods* |
| 18:45.28 | jelly | plb: !penixstrike without a target is bizarrer |
| 18:45.29 | RichiH | plb: Penix is a regular |
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| 18:45.40 | simonrvn | jelly: no, i was thinking of one of the 300 year old ones, i thought not after i typed that |
| 18:45.41 | plb | I hadn't seen it before... |
| 18:45.47 | jeward | So, I've discovered that there's a known bug in the version of MySQL that comes with etch. Is there any chance of getting it updated (in etch) to a newer version where the bug is fixed? |
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| 18:45.54 | RichiH | many of the regulars have had their own strike, at some point |
| 18:45.59 | RichiH | !richihstrike richih |
| 18:46.00 | abrotman | jeward: depends on the bug |
| 18:46.07 | abrotman | !fruitsmite RichiH |
| 18:46.09 | Eulex | !abrotmoo |
| 18:46.09 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 18:46.16 | plb | !abrotmanstrike |
| 18:46.25 | jelly | !listkeys strike |
| 18:46.25 | jeward | abrotman: It crashes if you have InnoDB tables. |
| 18:46.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'strike' by key (15 of 25): CMD: delegatestrike2 (.*?) ;; CMD: delegatestrike3 (.*?) ;; CMD: kawfeestrike (.*?) ;; CMD: penixstrike (.*?) ;; CMD: rahulstrike (.*?) ;; _default counter-strike ;; airstrike ;; counter strike ;; counter strike server ;; counterstrike ;; cstrike ;; kawfeestrike ;; kawfeestrike (.?*) ;; striker ;; xstrikeforce. |
| 18:46.31 | RichiH | abrotman: that should be fact gas |
| 18:46.41 | jeward | abrotman: Every few days in my experience. |
| 18:46.49 | abrotman | jeward: doesn't every version of mysql do that? :) |
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| 18:47.03 | jeward | jeward: The sarge version didn't! :) |
| 18:47.06 | jelly | RichiH: this version has better meter |
| 18:47.14 | abrotman | jeward: i can't imagine that happens for everyone .. check the BTS |
| 18:47.24 | jeward | abrotman: BTS? |
| 18:47.31 | Eulex | !btssmite jeward |
| 18:47.44 | stew | why? |
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| 18:48.01 | RichiH | because. |
| 18:48.05 | simonrvn | my fave is topicsmite |
| 18:48.08 | jelly | My work here is complete. |
| 18:48.11 | stew | jeward: such a bug wouldn't be high enough importance to put a new version into stable |
| 18:48.17 | simonrvn | peterS really put some thought into it |
| 18:48.19 | RichiH | !topicsmite simonrvn |
| 18:48.19 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon simonrvn. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:48.29 | jeward | stew: I was afraid you'd say that. |
| 18:48.29 | simonrvn | yay! |
| 18:48.44 | RichiH | peterS is unable to think |
| 18:48.49 | plb | again I propose a new chan, #debian-ontopic |
| 18:48.49 | RichiH | everyone knows that |
| 18:48.50 | RichiH | duh |
| 18:48.54 | stew | !peterSsmite RichiH |
| 18:49.08 | jeward | stew: So our options are to downgrade the MySQL package or install from source? |
| 18:49.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:49.11 | RichiH | !stew is a nasty bugger |
| 18:49.12 | dpkg | RichiH: okay |
| 18:49.18 | RichiH | stew: you were saying? |
| 18:49.23 | simonrvn | !simonrvn |
| 18:49.23 | dpkg | Old joke. |
| 18:49.35 | RichiH | mine should still be the classic |
| 18:49.36 | RichiH | !richih |
| 18:49.36 | dpkg | i guess richih is drop dead and let my nick be, sussudio, or bored and wants to take a bath |
| 18:49.39 | karsten | !karsten |
| 18:49.39 | dpkg | somebody said karsten was ladies, run for your lives!, or fine like wine |
| 18:49.41 | RichiH | indeed, it is |
| 18:49.50 | stew | jeward: or backport: /msg dpkg backports ; or patch the source of the debian package and recompile that |
| 18:50.17 | jeward | stew: Okay, thanks. |
| 18:50.22 | RichiH | plb: once you hang out here for more than a few years, you earn the right to be silly, sometimes ;) |
| 18:51.04 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 18:51.04 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
| 18:51.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 18:51.16 | stew | jeward: do you know that whatever bug this is has been fixed? I'm not experiencing what you are talking about fwiw |
| 18:51.27 | plb | RichiH: I'm just not regular enough to be regular.... My really problem is IRC is a complete productivity killer for me. |
| 18:51.36 | abrotman | plb: /part |
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| 18:51.49 | jeward | syew: You have InnoDB tables? |
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| 18:51.59 | jeward | Stew: You have InnoDB tables? |
| 18:52.10 | simonrvn | abrotman: looks for "he's an asshole" on youtube =;) |
| 18:52.15 | simonrvn | look* |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | simonrvn: which one? |
| 18:52.56 | simonrvn | oh, there's more than one? |
| 18:52.57 | jeward | stew: We only see it on the servers that actually have InnoDB tables. |
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| 18:53.05 | abrotman | simonrvn: the WoW one ? |
| 18:53.21 | SamuraiDio | aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:53.24 | SamuraiDio | help!! |
| 18:54.19 | simonrvn | abrotman: no, looking |
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| 18:56.48 | stew | jeward: yes, i have innodb tables |
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| 18:57.34 | tdn | How do I change keyboard layout to Danish? Right now it is set to English. |
| 18:57.45 | karsten | tdn: man locales |
| 18:58.12 | jeward | stew: Hmmmm, no restarts of MySQL? It restarts automatically, so you may have missed it? |
| 18:58.14 | tdn | karsten, No manual entry for locales |
| 18:58.42 | mogra | tdn: /msg dpkg locales |
| 18:58.58 | karsten | tdn: man locale. No s. |
| 18:59.18 | karsten | tdn: My bad. You can select your X keyboard w/ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:59.27 | tdn | karsten, ok. Thanks. |
| 18:59.42 | jelly | in any case, locales won't fix the keymap |
| 19:00.02 | karsten | tdn: It's the XkbLayout option of your InputDevice section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 19:00.28 | karsten | jelly: Sweet, didn't know that one. |
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| 19:01.01 | jelly | it doesn't work with x<tab> or xkb<tab> :-) |
| 19:01.07 | tdn | karsten, ok. |
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| 19:01.35 | hobbzilla | Why does Debian not clear the screen prior to logging out on the terminal session? |
| 19:01.42 | hobbzilla | I would consider that a security risk |
| 19:01.55 | karsten | hobbzilla: echo clear >> ~/.bash_logut |
| 19:02.00 | karsten | hobbzilla: echo clear >> ~/.bash_logout |
| 19:02.01 | hobbzilla | and I thought Debian was touted as being inherently secure... |
| 19:02.08 | jelly | I would consider that a nuisance. |
| 19:02.09 | hobbzilla | I understand how to fix it... |
| 19:02.23 | spinodal | what is the name of the gui program for viewing the keyboard layout and keycodes interactively? |
| 19:02.46 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me? |
| 19:02.52 | hobbzilla | I just think by default clearing the terminal display a security measure, no? |
| 19:02.58 | karsten | !tell SamuraiDio about ask |
| 19:03.06 | stew | jeward: nope, its only restarting once a day for log rotation |
| 19:03.11 | jelly | hobbzilla: a person that has physical access to the machine can do a bit more damage |
| 19:03.31 | SamuraiDio | karsten, i have asket before |
| 19:03.32 | mogra | hobbzilla: do you type your password in clear text when you type commands or something? o.O |
| 19:03.35 | SamuraiDio | aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:03.38 | hobbzilla | who said anything about physical access to a machine?? |
| 19:03.43 | SamuraiDio | my aptitude is echoing an error |
| 19:03.55 | hobbzilla | You can have a terminal open without physical access. |
| 19:04.03 | jelly | hobbzilla: how else would you see the terminal? |
| 19:04.08 | hobbzilla | umm.. KVM over Ethernet |
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| 19:04.18 | mogra | that's technically physical access |
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| 19:04.20 | hobbzilla | Term redirects.. |
| 19:04.26 | karsten | hobbzilla: check the history on this, you're welcome to file a wishlist bug on bash if you'd like. |
| 19:04.40 | karsten | mogra: Then technically I have physical access to you right now. |
| 19:04.43 | jelly | hobbzilla: one can do ctrl-alt-del over kvm, too |
| 19:04.55 | hobbzilla | So it is a bash thing then? |
| 19:04.55 | hobbzilla | why does RHEL clear the screen (by default) then? |
| 19:05.06 | karsten | hobbzilla: I think it's a fair gripe. As I said: file a bug. |
| 19:05.08 | SamuraiDio | i'm havin dependecy problem with apt-get/aptitude |
| 19:05.11 | karsten | !tell hobbzilla about bts |
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| 19:05.34 | karsten | hobbzilla: I've filed similar bugs against other packages in the past, sometimes the package has changed, sometimes not. |
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| 19:06.10 | karsten | hobbzilla: ... but that's how the process works. I'd make the argument you're making that with KVM and other remote access tools, the concept of "physical access" and implied security may no longer be valid. |
| 19:06.10 | mogra | hobbzilla: because RH thought it a good nice thing to do? o.O isn't that part of the different distro thing? |
| 19:06.47 | mogra | karsten: you have a KVM that connects to my computer via Ethernet? o.O especially when XP has shitty Terminal settings... |
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| 19:07.11 | hobbzilla | mogra: sure. But ask yourself why RH thought it would be "nice"... |
| 19:07.21 | hobbzilla | mogra: I can guarantee it wasn't done to be "nice" |
| 19:07.32 | hobbzilla | it was done for security reasons. |
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| 19:07.54 | hobbzilla | I also don't like the fact that during install, when typing the root password it displays ****** |
| 19:08.04 | hobbzilla | but that is a different thing altogether ! :) |
| 19:08.16 | stew | hobbzilla: for that, you can file a bug agasint the debian-installer pseudo-package |
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| 19:08.36 | Quetzalcoatl | Question: What's a pastebin program I can apt-install in Debian? |
| 19:08.43 | stew | hobbzilla: this isn't the right forum for discussing what RH is doing and why |
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| 19:08.50 | abrotman | Quetzalcoatl: apt-cache search paste ? |
| 19:09.00 | daniele_982 | hello all i've debian sid and a sony vaio fz18m but i can't change the brigthness with fn key or also same solution???? |
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| 19:09.06 | mogra | <i>that</i> is undeniably a security risk, ya... |
| 19:09.23 | xacier | in VI, how do i delete from line 1000 to 2500? |
| 19:09.23 | abrotman | though i don't see one |
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| 19:09.29 | hobbzilla | stew: fair enough. I won't make any comparisions with anything else -- won't that be a step backwards..... |
| 19:09.35 | mogra | but what I'm saying is it can be "argued" the "security risk" of clearing or not clearing the terminal. And I'm not arguing it's not... |
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| 19:09.49 | xacier | anyone? i need it quick |
| 19:09.52 | abrotman | xacier: go to line 1000 .. hit esc then '1500 dd' |
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| 19:10.20 | daniele_982 | no solve for me??? nothing vaio?? |
| 19:10.21 | daniele_982 | :( |
| 19:10.22 | xacier | :) let me try |
| 19:10.32 | tdn | I have set locales to en_DK.UTF-8, but I still cannot write Danish characters. Why is that? How do I enable it? |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | Quetzalcoatl: but i odn't see one |
| 19:10.37 | stew | hobbzilla: i understand that you are upset. i'm just trying to steer the conversation into a constructive one. You seemingly already know how to fix the problem with bash. you can report this as a bug against the bash package if you think it should be changed universally. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:10.43 | karsten | mogra: The counter-argument isn't "why isn't there a security risk to clearing the terminal", because there pretty clearly is one, but "what is the risk of clearing the terminal at logout". |
| 19:10.52 | graytron | xacier: go to line 100 and type "dd" 1500 times |
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| 19:11.23 | graytron | xacier: sorry, 100 |
| 19:11.28 | graytron | 1000 |
| 19:11.56 | karsten | hobbzilla: I'll echo what stew's saying, add that I think you've got a good point, and just want to note that in general "why does distro X do foo?" discussions are really not topical if distro X != Debian. |
| 19:12.14 | hobbzilla | stew: I'm not upset in the least. I just think without comparison, quality of what you have in front of you may be unclear. |
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| 19:12.37 | hobbzilla | karsten: fair enough. |
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| 19:12.59 | daniele_982 | i'm afraid |
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| 19:13.05 | bahadunn | anyone seen the chumby? |
| 19:13.28 | stew | hobbzilla: all we do here is support. if you need help fixing it we can help you fix it, if you want help figuring out how to suggest this change to debian, we can't point you to the bts, if you want a place to discuss how debian can be improved in general try http://lists.debian.org/debian-project |
| 19:13.43 | stew | ^can't^can |
| 19:13.43 | muh2000 | cron daemon: how can i switch of reports ? |
| 19:13.53 | hobbzilla | Can anyone explain to me why a package would have an offical backport for only the 64bit version ? |
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| 19:14.11 | stew | muh2000: you mean suppress the sending of reports? |
| 19:14.25 | stew | muh2000: set MAILTO="" (man 5 crontab) |
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| 19:14.29 | k^^a | hi |
| 19:14.45 | muh2000 | stew: thanx i will look this up :) |
| 19:15.07 | karsten | hobbzilla: The merits of the discussion are the benefits / disadvantages of implementing this. The more formal solution tests the terminal and $TERM values to see if the terminal can be properly cleared. Some can't. I think that's a pretty minor quibble. Another option is to put the clear screen sequence into /etc/issue. |
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| 19:15.11 | stew | muh2000: that will do it for an entire crontab. if you want to do it for a single entry, just redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null |
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| 19:15.22 | karsten | hobbzilla: ... whch *I* replace with an ANSI-art Debian logo anyway :) |
| 19:15.34 | muh2000 | stew: like > /dev/null after the line? |
| 19:15.40 | k^^a | who use mplayer-svn with dvdnav patch ? |
| 19:15.48 | stew | muh2000: yeah, and 2> /dev/null for stderr |
| 19:15.55 | karsten | tdn: gerne, BTW. |
| 19:16.16 | hobbzilla | karsten: Maybe I'll report that as a bug then. Don't clear the term but paste 80 lines of ASCII art. :) |
| 19:16.18 | stew | muh2000: however it might be wise to construct your scripts to only output stderr when there is actually an error that you would like to be reported |
| 19:16.30 | karsten | hobbzilla: :) |
| 19:16.31 | muh2000 | hmmmmm |
| 19:16.43 | proqesi | how can I speed up the keyboard repeat rate via some config file or command-line tool? |
| 19:16.48 | simonrvn | karsten: i'm still using that btw =) |
| 19:17.08 | stew | proqesi: in x? or in console? |
| 19:17.20 | daniele_982 | hello all i've debian sid and a sony vaio fz18m but i can't change the brigthness with fn key or also same solution???? |
| 19:17.34 | karsten | hobbzilla: http://paste.debian.net/41931 |
| 19:17.42 | karsten | simonrvn: The Debian logo? |
| 19:17.48 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:18.21 | jelly | simonrvn: but the big question is, is it in ANSI or just ascii + colors? |
| 19:18.35 | proqesi | stew: in x |
| 19:18.39 | stew | proqesi: man xset |
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| 19:19.01 | simonrvn | ESC[31m $$; Y$b._ _,d$P' ESC[0m _, _, ESC[31m,mb.ESC[0m |
| 19:19.09 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/issue |
| 19:19.10 | jelly | ascii. |
| 19:19.19 | karsten | ANSI |
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| 19:19.29 | karsten | jelly: ANSI escapes to generate color. |
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| 19:19.41 | hobbzilla | karsten: Nice. |
| 19:19.41 | Zippy2 | nice. i installed office 2007 in qemu and it crased |
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| 19:19.48 | simonrvn | ESC[31m `"Y$b._ ESC[0m $$ $$ $$ggggg$$ $$ $$ $$ ,$P" $$ $$ $$ # and yeh ansi |
| 19:19.52 | karsten | Zippy2: FEATURE! |
| 19:19.54 | jelly | no funneh IBM VGA characters hto |
| 19:20.10 | jelly | BBS style |
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| 19:20.41 | karsten | hobbzilla: That got posted to the debian-user list a long time back, I've used it on all my boxen sine. |
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| 19:20.54 | simonrvn | comes out red with lesss -r ;) |
| 19:20.54 | jelly | karsten: you're running sid! |
| 19:20.55 | simonrvn | less |
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| 19:21.03 | karsten | jelly: :) |
| 19:21.14 | bahadunn | boxen? |
| 19:22.20 | karsten | bahadunn: One ox, two oxen. One fox, two foxen. One box, two boxen. |
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| 19:23.07 | simonrvn | one unix, two unices |
| 19:23.30 | bahadunn | karsten: so you have 2 boxes? |
| 19:23.38 | proqesi | stew: how would I set it in console? |
| 19:23.39 | bahadunn | karsten: boxen == 2 boxes? |
| 19:23.45 | tdn | karsten, gerne? |
| 19:23.46 | daniele_982 | hello all i've debian sid and a sony vaio fz18m but i can't change the brigthness with fn key or also same solution???? |
| 19:24.16 | tdn | karsten, do you know how to enable Danish characters in X? |
| 19:24.44 | tdn | karsten, the keyboard layout is appearently Danish, but it's just the Danish characters that are not working. |
| 19:24.56 | stew | proqesi: i don't know. setterm perhaps |
| 19:25.13 | karsten | tdn: That I don't know. |
| 19:25.29 | Zippy2 | why does xorg have little horiz lines filling my screen |
| 19:25.34 | daniele_982 | porca troia nessuno con vaio? |
| 19:25.44 | karsten | !es |
| 19:25.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:25.54 | blackbart | How can I get it so that when I quit reading a manpage, it remains on the screen instead of clearing away? |
| 19:26.05 | tdn | karsten, ok. |
| 19:26.15 | karsten | tdn: Just a smattering of danish from a friend. |
| 19:26.20 | Zippy2 | blackbart: ctrl-c? |
| 19:26.27 | jelly | I see you people have colorful issues. |
| 19:26.29 | daniele_982 | karsten: ahahahahahha italian no espanol . I've debian sid and a sony vaio fz18m but i can't change the brigthness with fn key or also same solution???? |
| 19:26.33 | Zippy2 | nop |
| 19:26.35 | karsten | daniele_982: Yeah, I noticed. |
| 19:26.46 | Zippy2 | q works for me |
| 19:27.05 | daniele_982 | karsten: sony vaio? |
| 19:27.14 | karsten | daniele_982: There are some special key combos for various laptop vendors, eg: thinkpad, and others. Not sure about the Vaio. |
| 19:27.17 | Zippy2 | dani: xbacklight |
| 19:27.29 | Zippy2 | daniele |
| 19:27.45 | bahadunn | sony sucks |
| 19:27.49 | dutchfish | tdn, setxkbmap ? |
| 19:27.57 | daniele_982 | Zippy2: i've try a lot of programs but with any luck |
| 19:27.59 | blackbart | Zippy2, q quits, but it clears off whatever was on the screen. I want to be able to quit & still see the part of the manpage which was on my screen |
| 19:28.07 | jelly | tdn: which apps are you trying to use? |
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| 19:28.22 | Zippy2 | blackbart: q doesnt clear the screen in my debian lenny |
| 19:28.31 | Zippy2 | try stty sane first |
| 19:28.32 | daniele_982 | jelly: xbacklight for example |
| 19:28.37 | hobbzilla | So did a little more research and was not aware of this.. but apparently clearing (or even printing nice debian ASCII art) will not secure the term. |
| 19:28.52 | hobbzilla | Press "Shift-PgUp" and you can go backwards in the buffer.. |
| 19:28.57 | hobbzilla | scary.. |
| 19:29.00 | Zippy2 | hobbzilla: in xorg? |
| 19:29.01 | jelly | tdn: your terminal needs to support utf-8. you might need to logoff/login again if you've changed default system locale after logging in to X |
| 19:29.24 | Zippy2 | hobbzilla: just remove the scroll buffer |
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| 19:30.18 | daniele_982 | Zippy2: :( |
| 19:30.30 | hobbzilla | Zippy2: that may work for me.. but I'm sure that someone out there still wants a scroll buffer.. |
| 19:30.42 | tdn | jelly, I already did that. |
| 19:30.47 | mogra | there not a way to clear the scroll buffer? |
| 19:30.48 | tdn | jelly, I am trying to use Konsole. |
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| 19:31.05 | Zippy2 | hobbzilla: how about just lock your scren when you arent there? then you wont have to worry about someone going through your scroll buffer |
| 19:31.07 | tdn | dutchfish, Error loading new keyboard description |
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| 19:31.56 | libertad | Excuseme, Where I could find a good web editor WYSIWYG ? |
| 19:32.01 | dutchfish | tdn, read man page first its something like setxkbmap [xx] where xx represents 2letter country like nl for netherlands |
| 19:32.22 | jelly | tdn: hm, I think konsole should work. åëöäæø |
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| 19:32.57 | libertad | Excuseme, Where I could find a good web editor WYSIWYG ? |
| 19:33.13 | dutchfish | !bluefish |
| 19:33.13 | dpkg | i heard bluefish is probably a GTK+ HTML editor for linux at http://bluefish.linuxbox.com/ |
| 19:33.14 | JonkoPa | Is UML stable? |
| 19:33.24 | JonkoPa | stable enough to run in production environments? |
| 19:33.28 | karsten | JonkoPa: Pretty much. |
| 19:33.34 | hobbzilla | Zippy2 : that's great what is the command again to lock your screen while @ runlevel 3 terminal session. And what happens when I just want to leave (quit, logout, etc.) |
| 19:33.45 | tminos | :q |
| 19:33.50 | tminos | ... sorry. |
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| 19:34.45 | jelly | JonkoPa: I used it only for development, but I've seen hosting providers that offer it |
| 19:35.05 | libertad | I am php programer |
| 19:35.10 | tdn | jelly, but it does not :( |
| 19:35.15 | hobbzilla | It appears the best solution for this is going to be to find the max scroll buffer setting and echo out nothing (or a debian ASCII art) to the screen in a loop and then do a logout. |
| 19:35.20 | \amethyst | hobbzilla: there are lockvc and vlock |
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| 19:35.37 | \amethyst | hobbzilla: you are looking to clear the scrollback? |
| 19:35.41 | dutchfish | libertad, why not use zend or any editor will do |
| 19:35.59 | hobbzilla | No, I'm not looking to clear the buffer. |
| 19:36.03 | jelly | tdn: do you get funny characters instead of the correct ones, or just the usual us keyboard? |
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| 19:36.15 | libertad | dutchfish: Because it'nt free |
| 19:36.15 | hobbzilla | er.. I'm sorry.. I am looking to clear it. |
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| 19:36.30 | hobbzilla | Clear it NOT remove it. |
| 19:36.32 | hobbzilla | sorry. |
| 19:36.49 | stew | hobbzilla: vlock would lock a vt. clear will clear the screen. switching to another vt and back would erase the scrollback |
| 19:36.49 | dutchfish | libertad, i use sometimes mcedit (part of mc) |
| 19:37.01 | hobbzilla | It appears vlock & lockvc are not part of the minimal installation for Debian. |
| 19:37.11 | stew | certainly not |
| 19:37.23 | libertad | dutchfish: WYSIWYG |
| 19:37.29 | tdn | jelly, no. I just don't get anything when I type the chars. |
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| 19:37.33 | \amethyst | hobbzilla: you could use chvt from console-tools to switch to another vt and back |
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| 19:37.46 | \amethyst | hobbzilla: which has the side-effect of clearing the scrollback |
| 19:37.54 | dutchfish | libertad, there i sno such thing as WYSIWYG for php |
| 19:38.13 | stew | chvt only works as root though |
| 19:38.29 | libertad | dutchfish: HTML WYSIWYG and php hightlighter |
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| 19:39.12 | Zippy2 | hobbzilla: whats runlevel 3? |
| 19:39.14 | Zippy2 | console? |
| 19:39.31 | jelly | stew, hobbzilla: put a wrapper calling 'getty; chvt; chvt' in inittab instead of getty. ;-) |
| 19:39.32 | Zippy2 | i just use screen and when im done detach and logout |
| 19:39.56 | hobbzilla | Zippy2 : sorry runlevel N 2 ,etc |
| 19:40.02 | aslkdfjsdf | is any one worked with FAI? |
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| 19:40.36 | dutchfish | libertad, did you gave iceape suite a try? |
| 19:41.08 | pro | can anyone remind me what i have to do to make it stop telling me |
| 19:41.09 | pro | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 19:41.09 | pro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.09 | pro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.09 | pro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.09 | pro | every time i do anything with apt |
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| 19:41.27 | libertad | dutchfish: no |
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| 19:42.04 | Tramp | blackbart: set "DEFINE pager /usr/bin/pager -s -X" in your /etc/manpath.config |
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| 19:42.23 | dutchfish | libertad, maybe thats what you are looking for, i sued it in the past when my scills where poor, after that i used only editors and zend |
| 19:42.38 | blackbart | Tramp, cool, thanks |
| 19:42.50 | libertad | dutchfish: zend is not free |
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| 19:42.59 | dutchfish | libertad, i didnt say that |
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| 19:43.52 | hobbzilla | jelly: you are saying in the runlevel section make it /sbin/getty;/usr/bin/chvt;/usr/bin/chvt 38400 tty# ?? |
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| 19:44.43 | stew | do you have 38400 vts? :P |
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| 19:45.02 | stew | hobbzilla: 38400 tty# are arguments to getty, chvt needs an argument |
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| 19:45.21 | hobbzilla | stew : right. |
| 19:45.52 | hobbzilla | and I *might never* need 38k vts.. |
| 19:46.10 | \amethyst | hobbzilla: probably /sbin/getty 38400 tty#; chvt 12; chvt # |
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| 19:46.45 | \amethyst | hobbzilla: so on logout it changes to vt 12 and back to the current one (# is the same in both places) |
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| 19:47.02 | livecd_ | hello |
| 19:47.10 | \amethyst | err, s,chvt,/usr/bin/&, |
| 19:47.25 | hobbzilla | Okay I understand.. it does clear the buffer.. however not what is on the current screen. |
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| 19:47.54 | \amethyst | hobbzilla: then do /usr/bin/clear too |
| 19:47.54 | stew | hobbzilla: right, you'd have to clear that with "clear" in .bash_logout or some such |
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| 19:49.07 | \amethyst | actually, I'm not sure if ;-separated commands will work; you might have to make a script to do the sequence of commands you want, and refer to the script from inittab |
| 19:49.09 | livecd_ | a couple of days ago ....i having problems with the command "ls" .... the screen/monitor go off then i have to press reboot button |
| 19:49.17 | livecd_ | i'm using debian/testing |
| 19:49.35 | livecd_ | i check the disk and filesystem .... all it's ok |
| 19:49.40 | mot_ | hmm |
| 19:49.41 | livecd_ | any idea ? |
| 19:49.49 | \amethyst | livecd_: it happens whenever you do ls? |
| 19:49.51 | mot_ | what the difference between running something as a daemon and running it as a background process? |
| 19:49.56 | \amethyst | livecd_: from the console or xterm? |
| 19:50.01 | livecd_ | \amethyst yes |
| 19:50.01 | stew | mot_: nothing |
| 19:50.03 | livecd_ | both |
| 19:50.04 | hobbzilla | but what karsten was saying that "clear" might not work in all terms ? |
| 19:50.05 | \amethyst | mot_: a daemon usually doesn't have a controlling terminal |
| 19:50.15 | mot_ | \amethyst, what do you mean? |
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| 19:50.18 | hobbzilla | a better solution is to echo nothing? |
| 19:50.42 | livecd_ | both ...i mean xterm and console |
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| 19:51.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:51.12 | livecd_ | sometimes the first "ls" works ..... but sencond one .... crush |
| 19:51.35 | \amethyst | mot_: when you background a process it is still attached to the terminal you ran it from |
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| 19:52.30 | \amethyst | mot_: daemons typically give up their controlling terminal, so that (for example) they won't get SIGHUP when the terminal goes away |
| 19:52.56 | dutchfish | \amethyst, mot_ as screen can do also |
| 19:53.02 | \amethyst | mot_: also, daemons usually have init as their parent, so that when they die init will reap the zombie process |
| 19:53.48 | mot_ | ahhhhh gotcha |
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| 19:54.51 | Tramp | mot_: also, usually they chdir to /, so they won't interfere with umounts. There is more though. |
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| 19:55.24 | \amethyst | mot_: http://www.steve.org.uk/Reference/Unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 |
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| 19:56.06 | hobbzilla | stew: chvt in inittab didn't work. |
| 19:56.46 | \amethyst | dpkg, daemon =~ s/r"/r". Daemons typically have no controlling terminal; see http://www.steve.org.uk/Reference/Unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 for details on implementing a daemon. |
| 19:56.52 | disposab1e | what is the difference between /dev/random and urandom? |
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| 19:56.54 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:57.00 | \amethyst | dpkg, daemon =~ s!r"!r". Daemons typically have no controlling terminal; see http://www.steve.org.uk/Reference/Unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 for details on implementing a daemon.! |
| 19:57.01 | stew | not suprising. i'd guess that ;chvt 12 ;chvt 1 were passes as arguments to getty |
| 19:57.15 | stew | hobbzilla: ^^ |
| 19:57.47 | sandrot | so I'm running debian etch but I'd love to install postgresql 8.2, if I install it from source then I lose security updates right? Is there anyway to install the newer version and still get security updates? |
| 19:57.57 | stew | sandrot: no |
| 19:58.00 | hobbzilla | stew: well I"m just glad I could log back in... |
| 19:58.08 | alex12345 | does anybody know when lenny will be released? |
| 19:58.13 | dutchfish | sandrot, backports.org |
| 19:58.15 | stew | alex12345: certainly not |
| 19:58.21 | Ronin | alex12345: when it ready, maybe later |
| 19:58.27 | livecd_ | anyone with a similar problem with "ls" here ? (debian/testing) |
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| 19:59.06 | stew | livecd_: i'd run memtest86. there is no way that ls should be able to crash your machine |
| 19:59.33 | livecd_ | i'll run memtest86 |
| 19:59.48 | livecd_ | well does not crash exactly |
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| 20:00.06 | livecd_ | the monitor ...mmm.... enter in saving mode |
| 20:00.14 | sandrot | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 20:00.32 | stew | livecd_: it happens everytime you type ls? |
| 20:00.41 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a skype alternative for linux ?? this sh** uses 100% of my cpu usage |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | gizmo-project |
| 20:01.01 | abrotman | and ekiga |
| 20:01.11 | dutchfish | rocketmagnet, ekiga? |
| 20:01.20 | livecd_ | yes ....mostly .....sometimes the first "ls" works ..... but sencod one ..... turn off my monitor or something else |
| 20:01.20 | rocketmagnet | supports skype protokil ? |
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| 20:01.42 | livecd_ | i really don't know how to explain what really happens |
| 20:01.50 | livecd_ | because i can't see anything |
| 20:01.53 | disposab1e | rocketmagnet: they released version 2.0 beta today (skype) |
| 20:02.02 | disposab1e | rocketmagnet: have you tried that? |
| 20:02.25 | hobbzilla | Does anyone know if the scrollback buffer is a feature of the kernel or the VGA card? |
| 20:02.27 | rocketmagnet | disposab1e: i'm using this i think |
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| 20:03.02 | livecd_ | stew thanks anyway .... i'll test my memories |
| 20:03.12 | livecd_ | see you |
| 20:03.25 | disposab1e | what is the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom? |
| 20:03.37 | stew | disposab1e: man urandom |
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| 20:04.41 | disposab1e | stew: didn't know it had a manpage. thanks |
| 20:05.10 | |R | yeah i know ;| |
| 20:05.14 | |R | oops |
| 20:05.56 | stew | disposab1e: basically if security matters more than having it work quickly, use random, otherwise use urandom |
| 20:05.56 | sandrot | dutchfish: so you'll still get security updates with backports? do you need to use a separate command for that? |
| 20:06.16 | dutchfish | !backports |
| 20:06.17 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 20:07.23 | az | hello, i'd like to install nvidia debian way, but m-a says : Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available. do you know what is going on ? |
| 20:07.26 | abrotman | sandrot: not really .. they happen when they happen |
| 20:07.38 | abrotman | az: do you have contrib and non-free sources? |
| 20:07.49 | az | i have main contrib non-free in sources.list |
| 20:08.01 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 20:08.16 | dutchfish | sandrot, example: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 20:08.17 | az | lenny |
| 20:08.23 | abrotman | is nvidia still broken in lenny? |
| 20:08.35 | az | it looks like tome :( |
| 20:09.00 | wols_ | az: you need to backport it yourself from sid for example |
| 20:09.10 | sandrot | dutchfish: yeah, so those are security updates...I'll get them normaly just by doing apt-get update? |
| 20:10.12 | dutchfish | sandrot, delve into there wiki before you start out, it i snot that hard |
| 20:10.15 | az | i see, perhaps better than switching to unstable ... do you have good source for backport (mid europe) |
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| 20:10.39 | wols_ | az: no. I didn't say to switch to unstable I said backporting it from unstable yourself |
| 20:11.02 | az | wols_: yes i got it |
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| 20:11.35 | dutchfish | sandrot, and yes apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will still work for the othe packages from stable you have installed |
| 20:12.09 | Ranpha1 | He guys does kernel 2.6.22-2 have padlock support? |
| 20:12.13 | sandrot | dutchfish: thanks, I read the site...the question is does apt-get update && apt-get upgrade work for both stable and backports? |
| 20:12.20 | abrotman | Ranpha1: look in the config |
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| 20:12.23 | az | installer sucks |
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| 20:12.36 | abrotman | sandrot: sure .. but you still won't have security update for backports.org |
| 20:12.43 | Ranpha1 | abrotman euh....how do you do that bit of a newbie here |
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| 20:12.54 | abrotman | Ranpha1: is it installed now? |
| 20:12.55 | lrp | hello everyone |
| 20:12.56 | wols_ | az: #debian doesn't support the nvidia installer anyways |
| 20:12.59 | Ranpha1 | abrotman yeah |
| 20:13.05 | sandrot | abrotman: hmm, how does one get security updates for backports? |
| 20:13.09 | lrp | is there a network management solution for linux opensource ? |
| 20:13.13 | dutchfish | sandrot, installed from backports will only upgrade when backports will release such |
| 20:13.14 | abrotman | Ranpha1: look in /boot/ .. should be a config file there |
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| 20:13.22 | abrotman | sandrot: you cannot |
| 20:13.50 | az | installer fails for me anyway, and i like to avoid it |
| 20:14.00 | lrp | like netflow or something ? |
| 20:14.07 | Ranpha1 | abrotman mmm it's it in the config file.....with 2.6.21 i enabled padlock in /etc/modules but now it won't work |
| 20:14.29 | dutchfish | sandrot, rarely something gets broken, but stable is as is said stable and will get fastest security fixes |
| 20:14.31 | abrotman | you mean the module won't load ? |
| 20:14.45 | abrotman | sandrot: what do you need newer pgsql for? |
| 20:14.58 | lrp | !cfengine |
| 20:14.59 | dpkg | cfengine is probably a Tool for configuring and maintaining network machines |
| 20:15.03 | |R | uhm, just installed Maemo 4.0 SDK and needed VDSO support in kernel, so i rebooted with new kernel but i need to recompile the nvidia module... but when i make-kpkg this time (running unstable) i get: exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.23-10.00.Custom modules_image and then a bunch of lines looking like: /bin/sh: line 0: [: -ge: unary operator expected and then nothing to be done... any idea? :) |
| 20:15.04 | Ranpha1 | abrotman now it's wont load |
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| 20:15.28 | dutchfish | sandrot, i only use backports because i dont like testing or unstable in porduction envirenments, if possible i use only stable |
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| 20:16.19 | dutchfish | sandrot, so it depends on your needs |
| 20:16.39 | hyper___ch | how do you create a .deb file from the source code? anyone got a howto? |
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| 20:16.48 | stew | hyper___ch: /msg dpkg maint guide |
| 20:16.49 | Kobaz | do de do de do |
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| 20:17.02 | dutchfish | !ping |
| 20:17.02 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:17.08 | Kobaz | pung |
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| 20:17.28 | Kobaz | !ping -f 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:17.34 | sandrot | yeah, I like the idea of etch because it's more about stability than the latest and greatest but sometimes the newer packages are truely desired |
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| 20:18.05 | sandrot | I suppose I don't need the newest postgresql but they're always talking about speed improvements with their newer versions |
| 20:18.07 | Kobaz | so should i get an ati dualhead card or an nvidia dualhead card |
| 20:18.12 | abrotman | Ranpha1: do you get an error ? |
| 20:18.19 | dutchfish | sandrot, avoid them, but when neccesary use them with care |
| 20:18.26 | sandrot | I was just wondering about the implications of mixing newer packages with a stable system |
| 20:18.27 | abrotman | Kobaz: you mean "which is easy to get working in debian?" |
| 20:18.49 | sandrot | dutchfish: better to use backports than to compile packages yourself? |
| 20:18.53 | Ranpha1 | abrotman i get nothing no error or no message of being loaded , 2.6.18 works fine |
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| 20:19.08 | Freddie` | hello guys |
| 20:19.14 | mogra | howdy, lass |
| 20:19.23 | hyper___ch | stew: thex |
| 20:19.26 | hyper___ch | -e |
| 20:19.26 | dutchfish | sandrot, i prefer backports over slefcompiled, but sometimes i have too like vinilla kernel |
| 20:19.32 | abrotman | Ranpha1: sounds like it's loading to me .. lsmod .. doy ou see it ? |
| 20:19.54 | stew | is mj ray doing backports too now? |
| 20:19.55 | Ranpha1 | abrotman nothing ... |
| 20:20.18 | Kobaz | abrotman: heh |
| 20:20.38 | sandrot | I remember someone mentioning that people who make debian packages make sure it's optimally compiled for debian systems and self compiled might miss out on some things. |
| 20:20.38 | Kobaz | abrotman: well i've had bad luck in general with ati |
| 20:20.48 | hyper___ch | stew: hmmm... [21:20] <dpkg> Package 'guide' does not exist. |
| 20:21.07 | stew | dpkg: tell hyper___ch about maint-guide |
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| 20:21.23 | dutchfish | sandrot, sometimes that is true, like curent kernels and much more stuff |
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| 20:21.25 | hyper___ch | stew: thx ;) |
| 20:22.12 | dutchfish | sandrot, the biggest gain is stability and well tested and in time sec fixes |
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| 20:23.08 | dutchfish | sandrot, if you can go by the debian package always prefer that |
| 20:23.13 | stew | sandrot: its not that they would be optimally compiled. its that they will be more optimally isntalled with respect to file locations, and configuration and such |
| 20:23.30 | dutchfish | stew, yes that too |
| 20:23.49 | sandrot | thanks guys...super helpful |
| 20:23.51 | stew | well i guess it depends on what you mean by comiled. if you mean gcc, then debian doesn't in general do much in the way of optimization |
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| 20:24.37 | |R | I rebooted with recompiled kernel (i needed to add VDSO to 2.6.23 for Maemo) but i need to recompile the nvidia module now... but when i make-kpkg this time (it worked for many months before, i'm running unstable) i get: "exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.23-10.00.Custom modules_image" and then a bunch of lines looking like: "/bin/sh: line 0: [: -ge: unary operator expected" and then "nothing to be done"... any idea why this is broke |
| 20:24.39 | mogra | I think means kernel |
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| 20:26.13 | wols_ | |R: just get the driver again and compil it with m-a or dplg-buildpackage or such |
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| 20:27.02 | |R | wols_ : i have the debian nvidia package installed (the tar.gz in /usr/src) ... what's m-a ? |
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| 20:28.01 | wols_ | |R: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 20:28.03 | |R | wols_ : but there shouldn't be any link between make-kpkg and nvidia at this point... ? |
| 20:28.24 | |R | the kernel just can't get setuped :( |
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| 20:30.00 | fuzzy_logic | hi people |
| 20:30.30 | ebw | hi fuzzy |
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| 20:30.59 | Ranpha1 | abrotman no idea why it won't load? |
| 20:31.27 | Greek-Boy | how do I turn on ipv4 forwading in debian etch so that traffic can be routed between two NICs? |
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| 20:31.58 | dutchfish | Greek-Boy, http://documents.made-it.com/Debian_Internet_Server/Debian_Internet_Server-13.html |
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| 20:32.12 | Greek-Boy | thanks dutchfish |
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| 20:33.47 | stew | Greek-Boy: that document is outdated. don't use /etc/network/options but /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:33.53 | stew | *instead |
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| 20:34.24 | eeanm | whats the best way to split a tarball? I'm writing to a UDF-fs and it has a max filesize of 1gb. |
| 20:34.34 | Greek-Boy | i alraedy did the cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:34.35 | stew | eeanm: man split |
| 20:34.37 | eeanm | I could use split, but I was wondering if there's some way your supposed to do it |
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| 20:34.42 | eeanm | heh |
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| 20:35.27 | stew | Greek-Boy: that's fine. but you should edit /etc/sysctl.conf to make this happen at boot, "sysctl -p" will activate the changes in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 20:37.41 | Greek-Boy | thing is I am still not able to reach the network B from network A |
| 20:37.54 | Greek-Boy | though I am able to ping network B's NIC from network A |
| 20:38.09 | Greek-Boy | I used tcpdump and nothing comes up |
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| 20:39.41 | chemist | ~blist |
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| 20:40.14 | Ranpha1 | abortman, i did a modprobe padlock and it can't find the modu |
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| 20:41.22 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: are the netmasks on your network A hosts ok? |
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| 20:41.53 | cast | how does one get the sshd's public key fingerprint? |
| 20:42.27 | Ranpha1 | somebody knows how to enbale padlock support in 2.6.22?? |
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| 20:43.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Am I the only one getting spammed by zehraAa[hasta] |
| 20:43.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | ? |
| 20:43.46 | Ranpha1 | think so |
| 20:43.48 | mogra | I think so |
| 20:43.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Try leaving and rejoining |
| 20:44.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | See if you get /msg-ed too |
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| 20:44.42 | mogra | why do I want spam? Isn't that like telling me to stick my tongue to a pole? :D |
| 20:44.44 | hark | yeah, zehraAa[hasta] is a bot |
| 20:44.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
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| 20:44.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | someone do something about it? |
| 20:44.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | :p |
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| 20:45.16 | amphi | Dark_Apostrophe: nothing here |
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| 20:45.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | amphi: :/ |
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| 20:45.44 | hark | same on join nick change too like they do |
| 20:45.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | IP ban? |
| 20:46.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | 88.242.196.1 |
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| 20:46.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's its IP |
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| 20:46.11 | azeem | eh? |
| 20:46.16 | azeem | 21:42 -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@88.242.196.1] by stew |
| 20:46.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh. |
| 20:46.26 | Greek-Boy | Tramp, yeah theyre ok |
| 20:46.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Never mind, misread. |
| 20:47.06 | Tramp | cast: man ssh-keygen |
| 20:47.21 | _AleX_ | hi all. "ps aux" or "ps -ef" show all process, right ? so how to explain that ? : http://pastebin.com/m11677576 |
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| 20:48.17 | eeanm | _AleX_: 9136 != 9135 |
| 20:48.18 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: hmm. And you can reach hosts in net-B from the hosts B-nic? |
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| 20:48.29 | \amethyst | _AleX_: pstree is probably showing threads too |
| 20:48.33 | Ranpha1 | can i use a 2.6.18 in a testing debian? |
| 20:48.39 | wols_ | Ranpha1: yes |
| 20:48.53 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: and threads as PID ? |
| 20:48.56 | \amethyst | _AleX_: yes, that's it |
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| 20:49.02 | \amethyst | _AleX_: { } indicates a thread |
| 20:49.05 | _AleX_ | s/as/have/ |
| 20:49.10 | \amethyst | _AleX_: and it shows thread ID there |
| 20:49.16 | Ranpha1 | wols_ thanks i have a ques that 2.6.22 can't find my CPU that's why padlock won't load |
| 20:49.29 | Greek-Boy | Tramp: yip |
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| 20:49.42 | Ranpha1 | wols_ and if i compile a program with 2.6.22 ??? |
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| 20:49.56 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: i don't know the existence of TID (Thread ID) :-) |
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| 20:51.41 | \amethyst | _AleX_: look at ps -eTf It's the SPID column there |
| 20:51.55 | cast | Tramp: thanks |
| 20:52.00 | thelostbutler | hello folks. my /var/log/messages gets filled by mail.log enteries too . do i disable that logging to that file, my syslog conf is here http://pastebin.com/d76ad4ab5 would appreciate some help |
| 20:52.04 | \amethyst | _AleX_: also known as TID and LWP |
| 20:52.27 | \amethyst | _AleX_: ps -ef only shows one thread per process; -T or -L show them all |
| 20:52.30 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: And you have set a route for net B on the A hosts via your gateway? |
| 20:52.45 | hark | Ranpha1: what's padlock? |
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| 20:53.28 | Ranpha1 | hark : padlock is a crypto in a VIA C7 CPU |
| 20:54.00 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/m439cd1de |
| 20:54.23 | hark | Ranpha1: ah, modprobe it? |
| 20:54.36 | Ranpha1 | hark ...module not found |
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| 20:54.58 | \amethyst | _AleX_: yes.. 9136 is a thread ID but not a process ID, so it only shows up in ps -eTf not ps -ef |
| 20:55.06 | hark | Ranpha1: seems to be padlock-aes or padlock-sha here |
| 20:55.15 | \amethyst | _AleX_: man gettid has some information from a programmer's perspective |
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| 20:55.29 | Ranpha1 | hark using 2.6.22? |
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| 20:56.09 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: apparently, PID and TID are unique. you know why ? |
| 20:56.09 | hark | Ranpha1: yes |
| 20:56.27 | \amethyst | _AleX_: What do you mean¿ |
| 20:56.31 | Ranpha1 | hark ...trying now then they changed it ..it was only module paldock in 2.6.21 .mmm |
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| 20:56.46 | \amethyst | _AleX_: Identifiers are supposed to be unique, that's what makes them identifiers :) |
| 20:56.58 | qrck | which program provides the login string "debian login:" on the vc's ? |
| 20:57.09 | \amethyst | qrck: getty |
| 20:57.40 | hark | Ranpha1: there are two drivers now, one for AES algorithms and the other SHA1 and SHA256 algorithms |
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| 20:57.52 | Greek-Boy | Tramp: yes all static routes are there |
| 20:58.28 | Ranpha1 | hark thanks i see them now rebooting this server and then off to bed |
| 20:58.30 | qrck | \amethyst: is it hardcoded or where can i change that value ? |
| 20:58.44 | qrck | \amethyst: for colorizing or so... |
| 20:58.44 | Greek-Boy | tcpdump shows 23:56:08.205078 IP 172.16.77.7.1101 > 192.168.211.46.80: S 2424727961:2424727961(0) win 65535 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK> |
| 20:59.05 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: hmm. When you dump independently on both IFs, then ping A->B you see the echo-request go in on IF-A but not go out on IF-B? |
| 20:59.10 | Greek-Boy | thats when I try to browse to the phone |
| 20:59.32 | tuv | is there any performance penalty for using glade instead of hand coding? |
| 20:59.37 | Greek-Boy | yip I see the echo-request go in |
| 20:59.39 | Greek-Boy | but not out |
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| 21:00.56 | TJNII | apt-get install (package) asks for a media cd. To avoid this I rin apt-get source (package) before install, correct? |
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| 21:01.16 | Greek-Boy | hold on |
| 21:01.20 | Greek-Boy | i just realised something |
| 21:01.31 | Tramp | I can hardly wait |
| 21:01.32 | hark | TJNII: no, just remove the cd line in your sources.list |
| 21:01.44 | Greek-Boy | the PC's behind B dont have the debian box as a gateway |
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| 21:02.02 | TJNII | hark: Right-o. So what is apt-get source intended to do, then? |
| 21:02.02 | tuv | where can i find a comparison of glade vs. hand coded gtk? |
| 21:02.06 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: well, if you don't see the packet go out, it does not matter |
| 21:02.28 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: it will matter, when they try to send the echo-reply |
| 21:02.39 | spal | TJNII: after you remove the CD line in /etc/apt/sources.list, do an apt-get update, then apt-get would build a new list of package locations, etc. |
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| 21:03.12 | spal | TJNII: these locations would be corresponding to the mirror servers mentioned in your sources.list. Next time when you do apt-get install, the packages would be installed from the mentioned mirrors. |
| 21:03.14 | TJNII | Okay |
| 21:03.18 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: or you tell me, that you actually did not check but just replied to my questions affirmative |
| 21:03.20 | hark | TJNII: get the source package (man apt-get) |
| 21:03.36 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: TIP of the first process is PID+1, second PID+2 ... and the next process PID don't use a used TID ? http://pastebin.com/m7f57d70e |
| 21:03.40 | Greek-Boy | i did check |
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| 21:03.56 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: ok. Then still the packet is not forwarded |
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| 21:04.59 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: it goes into your GW but not out. So if forwarding is enabled, the only thing I can think of is netfilter-rules (i.e. iptables) |
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| 21:05.50 | TJNII | hark: Oh, I think I see. I'm still thinking Gentoo where it compiles everything. So source grabs the source code for that package, then? |
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| 21:06.49 | hobbzilla | Any reason why one would keep getting "Failed to fetch ... <package> MD5Sum mismatch" using apt-get install ? |
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| 21:07.04 | abrotman | possibly busted mirror |
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| 21:07.31 | hobbzilla | yeah but when I keep trying.. it eventually takes and installs.. |
| 21:07.33 | Tramp | Greek-Boy: Run "tcpdump -ni <A-if> icmp" on the GW. Ping A->B and past the tcdpump output. |
| 21:07.33 | hobbzilla | weird, no? |
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| 21:08.04 | Supaplex | hobbzilla: maybe it's a botched mirror sync. try a different mirror for a few hours, maybe this one will come back later. |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | hobbzilla: any disk errors in syslog? |
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| 21:09.03 | Scurz | hi |
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| 21:09.37 | hobbzilla | abrotman: nope nothing in syslog |
| 21:10.05 | stew | hobbzilla: its probably a bad mirror sync. use a different mirror or wait |
| 21:10.14 | thelostbutler | hello folks. my /var/log/messages gets filled by mail.log enteries too . do i disable that logging to that file, my syslog conf is here http://pastebin.com/d76ad4ab5 would appreciate some help |
| 21:10.27 | Scurz | When the problem with the glibc will be resolved ? |
| 21:10.32 | Scurz | (in sid) |
| 21:10.34 | hobbzilla | I eventually get it and installed.. |
| 21:10.40 | hobbzilla | I'm using http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ (FYI). |
| 21:10.52 | hobbzilla | just curious.. it has happened twice in the last 12 hours. |
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| 21:12.53 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/m28b8f161 |
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| 21:13.23 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: PPID = 1 for all threads mean that the parent is init (PID 1) ? |
| 21:13.36 | \amethyst | _AleX_: yes |
| 21:13.42 | hark | TJNII: yes |
| 21:13.56 | \amethyst | _AleX_: which means the process's real parent has died |
| 21:14.12 | Scurz | ideas? |
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| 21:14.40 | \amethyst | _AleX_: some processes do that intentionally by double-forking and letting the middle process exit(2) |
| 21:14.46 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: I've just start kmail :-) |
| 21:14.58 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 21:14.58 | stew | Scurz: they said it would be fixed in about a week about a week ago. however, since reis has been down, its not suprising that it is going to take longer |
| 21:14.58 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little WD-40, and 42 starving weasels. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 21:16.20 | Scurz | stew: ok, thanks. |
| 21:16.22 | TJNII | So is running the /etc/init.d/ scripts directly frowned upon in Debian? |
| 21:16.23 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: I understand ... and the result of the double-forking technique is that the PID of the process and threads are directly run by init |
| 21:16.56 | \amethyst | _AleX_: yes, when the middle process exits, its children are inherited by init |
| 21:17.29 | \amethyst | _AleX_: also, as you can see from the TTY column, it gave up its controlling terminal (if it ever had one) |
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| 21:18.04 | \amethyst | _AleX_: giving up the controlling terminal and double-forking are parts of the standard daemonization procedure |
| 21:18.07 | \amethyst | !daemon |
| 21:18.08 | dpkg | from memory, daemon is process that runs in the background attending to various tasks without human intervention, or "Disk And Execution MONitor". Daemons typically have no controlling terminal; see http://www.steve.org.uk/Reference/Unix/faq_2.html#SEC16 for details on implementing a daemon. |
| 21:18.28 | Tramp | thelostbutler: simply replace the "*" in the entry for /var/log/messages with a list of the ~20 services you want (i.e. everything but mail). Do this 3 times |
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| 21:19.19 | Tramp | thelostbutler: The list of facilities (sorry, services was the wrong term) can be found in man syslog |
| 21:19.28 | Tramp | *.conf |
| 21:19.43 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: I've launched kmail by clicking on an desktop icon, so tty = ? is normal (I suppose) |
| 21:19.52 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: very interesting discussion ;-) |
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| 21:20.25 | kisun | hello :) |
| 21:21.07 | TJNII | Hmmm... and what command do you use to see the state of the services? The rc-status command I'm used to from Gentoo is not here. |
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| 21:21.56 | keith4 | TJNII: which service? |
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| 21:22.42 | TJNII | keith4: A general list of services. What's running, what's not. |
| 21:23.00 | stew | TJNII: there is no such program. use ps |
| 21:23.11 | keith4 | or look in /var/run ;-) |
| 21:23.30 | TJNII | Not the answer I wanted, but workable none the less. |
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| 21:26.56 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am trying to backport miro on etch, i get this error, maybe someone more expert can help me |
| 21:26.58 | assasukasse | copying /home/builder/miro/miro-0.9.9.1/platform/gtk-x11/miro.1.gz -> /home/builder/miro/miro-0.9.9.1/debian/tmp/usr/share/man/man1 |
| 21:26.58 | assasukasse | error: Bad file descriptor |
| 21:27.17 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: if you're ok, i will save the buffer of xchat and put it on pastebin (forever post) ... and later i'll translate it in french and add to http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Le_syst%A8me_d%27exploitation_GNU-Linux in the "Processus" page |
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| 21:27.45 | TJNII | Oh, this isn't debian specific but rather a question I've had for a while and never asked: How do you link a process to an open port? |
| 21:28.33 | stew | TJNII: you mean you have an open port, and you want to know which process is bound to it? |
| 21:28.54 | TJNII | stew: Exactly |
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| 21:29.15 | stew | TJNII: "netstat -plnt | grep :portnum" as root |
| 21:29.29 | stew | TJNII: the pid will be in the last column |
| 21:29.46 | _AleX_ | I take this opportunity to pass a message to people who speak French : come help us in the redaction of this document |
| 21:30.01 | TJNII | stew: Awesome. Thanks |
| 21:30.02 | \amethyst | _AleX_: no problem :) |
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| 21:30.15 | _AleX_ | j'en profite pour passer un message aux personnes parlant francais : n'hésitez pas à venir nous aider à la rédaction de ce document |
| 21:30.16 | stew | TJNII: "lsof -i -n" is another |
| 21:30.47 | stew | _AleX_: what are you doing? |
| 21:30.51 | TJNII | ....I didn't know lsof did network stuff as well |
| 21:31.31 | kisun | if the ./configure -command says "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH", could it be thats the soure-code is in the wrong directory? |
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| 21:31.49 | stew | !b-i kisun |
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| 21:31.55 | stew | !b-e kisun |
| 21:31.55 | dpkg | kisun: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 21:31.55 | Nyle | it means you have no CC set maybe? |
| 21:32.00 | Nyle | be stew/ |
| 21:32.15 | \amethyst | kisun: you are probably also missing development libraries the program needs |
| 21:32.26 | \amethyst | kisun: is this a debian package that you're building? |
| 21:32.37 | Nyle | \amethyst: that is a completely different message |
| 21:32.49 | kisun | no really its conky 1.4.8 |
| 21:33.18 | alanhaggai | I am using Linux ( which is acting as the internet connection server). Unfortunately, when other users are downloading torrents, etc. I (at the server) get only limited bandwidth. Is there any way to limit it so that the server will always be having some fixed bandwidth? |
| 21:33.27 | \amethyst | Nyle: right, but if he's missing b-i, installing just b-i won't be enough to compile the package |
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| 21:33.36 | \amethyst | s/won't/probably &/ |
| 21:33.36 | Nyle | b-e! |
| 21:33.41 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:33.42 | Nyle | and no it won't |
| 21:33.43 | \amethyst | b-e right |
| 21:34.01 | \amethyst | kisun: do apt-get build-dep conky |
| 21:34.11 | Nyle | but when he runs configure, it will check to see if the dependencies are met or not, and let you know of what is missing |
| 21:34.13 | _AleX_ | stew: a wikibooks in french explaining the base of the administration of a Debian system .. I do that with my students |
| 21:34.19 | Nyle | or that |
| 21:34.22 | stew | !wayc kisun |
| 21:34.23 | dpkg | kisun: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 21:34.25 | \amethyst | kisun: since 1.4.8 and 1.4.7 probably use the same dependencies |
| 21:34.27 | Nyle | !info conky |
| 21:34.29 | dpkg | conky: (highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 21:34.36 | Nyle | ah |
| 21:34.41 | Nyle | thats what that is |
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| 21:35.11 | kisun | yes |
| 21:35.34 | TJNII | Okay, one last question and I'm done for now: How do you set the runlevels of the /etc/init.d scripts? I'm looking for something like Gentoo's rc-update |
| 21:35.35 | alanhaggai | Hi, I am using Debian (which is acting as the internet connection server). Unfortunately, when other users are downloading torrents, etc. I (at the server) get only limited bandwidth. Is there any way to limit it so that the server will always be having some fixed bandwidth? |
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| 21:36.01 | Nyle | wondershaper |
| 21:36.05 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 21:36.10 | abrotman | alanhaggai: wondershaper |
| 21:36.29 | alanhaggai | Ok Nyle and abrotman |
| 21:36.31 | Nyle | stew: what was that bandwidth shaping tool you told me about a while ago? |
| 21:36.39 | stew | !wondershaper |
| 21:36.39 | dpkg | wondershaper is, like, a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 21:36.51 | Nyle | ahh yes then thats it |
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| 21:39.01 | fuzzy_logic | hi people i really have a strange problem.. somehow i can't log in to mysql in command line.. it says ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES).. can anyone help me please? |
| 21:39.32 | Nyle | by default root level access has no pw on myql |
| 21:39.34 | Nyle | mysql |
| 21:39.44 | jelly-home | !i forgot mysql password |
| 21:39.48 | Nyle | maybe try to log in without a password? |
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| 21:40.19 | _AleX_ | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/f3ed963fe |
| 21:40.19 | Nyle | jelly-home: well that didn't do anything |
| 21:40.27 | DownhillGames | or follow the instructions it spams when you first started it *points to logs* |
| 21:40.36 | jelly-home | !forgot mysql root password |
| 21:40.36 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 21:41.11 | fuzzy_logic | thanks jelly-home, will try thaqt |
| 21:41.26 | jelly-home | fuzzy_logic: did you have a root password at all? |
| 21:41.35 | fuzzy_logic | yes, of course i did :) |
| 21:41.42 | jelly-home | k |
| 21:42.28 | stevo_inco | Hi guys... I'm getting the following error when I choose the "Install" item in Dselect: "dselect: no access method is selected/configured" |
| 21:42.42 | stevo_inco | It appears that apt has dissapeared off of my system. :-S |
| 21:42.54 | stevo_inco | I don't know what on earth I did to kill it lol |
| 21:43.18 | stevo_inco | Does anyone know how to install apt (or fix whatever the heck I broke) with out use of the package manager? |
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| 21:43.55 | kisun | bitchx says I have 9 mails, how can I read these mails? |
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| 21:48.20 | mot_ | question |
| 21:48.21 | alanhaggai | kisun: Try typing mutt in a terminal. |
| 21:48.33 | mot_ | what would the easiest way be to go through a bunch of header files and replace a like string? |
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| 21:48.48 | mot_ | that is, i have headers including the relative path of something when they need to include the absolute path of something |
| 21:48.53 | mot_ | and there are about ~300 entries to correct |
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| 21:49.08 | alanhaggai | mot_: Make a script with sed to replace the said string. |
| 21:49.17 | mot_ | sed? |
| 21:49.37 | alanhaggai | mot_: sed = stream editor |
| 21:50.17 | alanhaggai | mot_: Eg: to replace a word apple with orange, I would use: s/apple/orange/ |
| 21:50.29 | kisun | thanks u are right |
| 21:50.35 | alanhaggai | mot_: Just search a bit on sed and you will get to know of it. |
| 21:50.40 | mot_ | well |
| 21:50.49 | alanhaggai | kisun: No problem. |
| 21:50.51 | mot_ | i don't want to run a command and mis-modify a bunch of header files :O |
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| 21:51.01 | jelly-home | stevo_inco: dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt|tail -3 |
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| 21:51.42 | Tramp | mot_: something close to "perl -i.bak -wpe 's/foo/bar/' *.h". Make a backup first. |
| 21:52.05 | mot_ | hmmm |
| 21:52.11 | mot_ | where'd the perl command come from? |
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| 21:52.18 | Jyzygzel- | how do you make a VNC connection to the current X session?? |
| 21:52.23 | Tramp | mot_: from me |
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| 21:53.01 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: Use a vncserver and a vncclient. |
| 21:53.12 | mot_ | hmm okay so if i "walk" into a directory and want to every .h file through sed and replace something, that will work, in theory? |
| 21:53.29 | kisun | finger kisun |
| 21:53.39 | alanhaggai | mot_: It will work if you do it right. |
| 21:53.42 | Jyzygzel- | alanhaggai vncserver starts a new x session to :1 |
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| 21:54.14 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: Yes. True. I too just tried starting, and it is starting :1 |
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| 21:54.29 | tarrybone | Jyzygzel-: i am sure there are better, or at least equal, solutions, but i have used krfb for such purposes |
| 21:55.39 | stevo_inco | jelly-home, dpkg and libc6 both show installed, but apt is set to 'rc'. |
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| 21:56.37 | sirlog_postfix | Hi together. I have a problem with my postfix. I want to sent emails using my providerserver as relay. My provider needs a SSL/TLS secured connection. So as I red in some forums I need the TLS certificate of my provider right? How do I get this? Or how to configure postfix to negotiate the key automatically? |
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| 21:56.57 | nhuismanwork | anyone use network load balancing? If so what scheme seems to work best? |
| 21:57.05 | nhuismanwork | balance-rr, balance-xor, balance-tlb, etc |
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| 21:57.52 | mot_ | Tramp, |
| 21:57.56 | karmatronic | hi |
| 21:58.00 | mot_ | do i need to escape slashes ? |
| 21:58.07 | mot_ | perl -i.bak -wpe 's/<net-snmp/</usr/local/net-snmp/include//' *.h |
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| 21:58.14 | mot_ | because that crapped out a bunch of syntax errors |
| 21:58.39 | Jyzygzel- | jesus christ im not using KDE |
| 21:58.54 | Tramp | mot_: yes. Use "s:/foo:/bar:" (i.e. ":" instead of slashes) or any other character which is not in the strings |
| 21:58.58 | stew | mot_: yes, or use s#<net-snmp#</usr/local/net-snmp/include/# instead |
| 21:59.13 | amphi | Jyzygzel-: why would you? ;) |
| 21:59.23 | Jyzygzel- | i just want the damn VNC |
| 21:59.25 | fuzzy_logic | anyone here uses mantis? |
| 21:59.33 | karmatronic | Jyzygzel-: so ? |
| 21:59.35 | jelly-home | stevo_inco: so, wget apt_*.deb for your release and install with dpkg |
| 21:59.43 | Jyzygzel- | and it always starts to wrong place |
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| 21:59.47 | stew | fuzzy_logic: just assume yes and ask your real question |
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| 22:00.09 | fuzzy_logic | what is the default password of the user administrator in a clean install? |
| 22:00.13 | karmatronic | Jyzygzel-: vnc works well here .... |
| 22:00.26 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: the one you gave it during the install |
| 22:00.27 | karmatronic | fuzzy_logic: you have to set one during install |
| 22:00.33 | abrotman | oh .. in mantix? |
| 22:00.35 | abrotman | mantis ? |
| 22:01.00 | TJNII | Is there a way to get apt-get to not set services to start by default? What I mean is if I install something like tftpd I want to set when/where it starts, not apt-get |
| 22:01.07 | karmatronic | abrotman: btw i had to ask you why you re using epiphany |
| 22:01.10 | fuzzy_logic | abrotman&karmatronic: already found it, it was administrator/root, i didn't have to give any info on that |
| 22:01.12 | jelly-home | stevo_inco: like, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 22:01.15 | karmatronic | abrotman: any particualar reason? |
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| 22:01.41 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: Try installing x11vnc. It allows to connect to display :0 |
| 22:02.15 | abrotman | karmatronic: i mainly use opera ... but i found plugins for epiphany that almost let me replace opera with epiphany |
| 22:02.29 | spacix | Hey, I just made one account for my vsftpd user, that should only have access to the www root, and set the /var/www/sitename as his home dir in passwd, only it keeps making the .bash_history file in the root, is there a way to set another default dir for that .bash_history file? |
| 22:02.49 | karmatronic | abrotman: and why dont you use firefox? |
| 22:02.50 | abrotman | karmatronic: i have ways that i like to use my browser .. IW/FF doesn't even come close .. with plugins i can make epiphany somewhat close |
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| 22:03.16 | Manes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.18 | karmatronic | abrotman: ok got it |
| 22:03.29 | abrotman | karmatronic: you don't like epiphany? |
| 22:03.43 | abrotman | the rendering engine in FF/IW and epiphany are both gecko |
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| 22:03.53 | karmatronic | abrotman: well never gave it a try , so i was wondering if there s anything beyond firefox.... |
| 22:04.04 | abrotman | karmatronic: just easier for me to work with .. |
| 22:04.08 | karmatronic | abrotman: the same for thunderbird |
| 22:04.15 | azeem | epiphany is better integrated into Gnome than firefox |
| 22:04.25 | karmatronic | abrotman: maybe i should give a try to evolution too |
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| 22:04.35 | In[d]y | How can I find my PGP "key id"? |
| 22:04.39 | abrotman | karmatronic: basically .. i really only touch the mouse to click links .. and if i wanted to tab through tons of links .. i guess i could use that |
| 22:04.54 | abrotman | azeem: that helps too :) |
| 22:05.05 | karmatronic | abrotman: mouse-hater ? |
| 22:05.22 | abrotman | karmatronic: i have a thinkpad .. so i just have a nubby |
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| 22:05.54 | abrotman | karmatronic: and not really .. the mouse means i have to move my hands from the keyboard etc .. why do that if you don't have to? |
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| 22:06.23 | karmatronic | abrotman: yeah. i m lazy too :) |
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| 22:07.06 | Jyzygzel- | how do i change the window manager that vncserver has |
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| 22:08.26 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: basically it connects to the display that has already been started, right? |
| 22:09.00 | Jyzygzel- | no it does not |
| 22:09.04 | Jyzygzel- | and thats why i hate it |
| 22:09.13 | Jyzygzel- | i don't want it to create its own shit |
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| 22:09.42 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: For me, it is running well. I am not sure why it is so at your end. |
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| 22:10.09 | Jyzygzel- | what |
| 22:10.13 | Jyzygzel- | vncserver? |
| 22:10.15 | sivik | can one create a .deb from a tar.gz file like you can with a .rpm package |
| 22:10.28 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: No. x11vnc |
| 22:10.34 | Jyzygzel- | well wtf |
| 22:10.36 | sivik | x11vnc is fun |
| 22:10.41 | Jyzygzel- | that shitty software does not even work |
| 22:10.46 | Jyzygzel- | how do you even start it |
| 22:11.29 | inimino | sounds like you don't know how to use it, not that it doesn't work |
| 22:11.29 | sivik | start with x11vnc? |
| 22:11.29 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: you even rtfm |
| 22:11.32 | Jyzygzel- | have you actually took a look in the manual |
| 22:11.33 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: x11vnc -display :0 |
| 22:11.45 | Jyzygzel- | its like taking a phonebook of the world |
| 22:11.59 | Jyzygzel- | alanhaggai yea an no client can connect to it |
| 22:12.23 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: Clients can, and I have connected now. |
| 22:12.25 | Jyzygzel- | the clients just get stuck "No authentivation needed" |
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| 22:12.33 | Jyzygzel- | its complete bullshit client |
| 22:12.40 | Jyzygzel- | i mean server |
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| 22:13.13 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: If it doesn't work for you, that doesn't make it bad. Just try. |
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| 22:13.35 | Jyzygzel- | i just tried with two different computer |
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| 22:13.40 | Jyzygzel- | and with two different clients |
| 22:13.41 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: the thing that is less obvious is that you need to provide an authentication method |
| 22:13.42 | alanhaggai | Jyzygzel-: It is a working one, and I am using it right now successfully. |
| 22:13.44 | Jyzygzel- | both of them wont connect |
| 22:13.54 | amphi | "how do you even start it", haha - yes, it must be bad software |
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| 22:14.10 | Jyzygzel- | well i don't need an authentication |
| 22:14.19 | Jyzygzel- | i just want it to connect |
| 22:14.35 | alanhaggai | Which is the best torrent client for gnome? |
| 22:14.35 | Ronin | Jyzygzel-: error logs |
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| 22:15.09 | amphi | alanhaggai: I like rtorrent, but it's not 'for gnome' in any way |
| 22:15.13 | Jyzygzel- | it not working |
| 22:15.16 | Jyzygzel- | where error logs |
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| 22:15.36 | Ronin | Jyzygzel-: heh read the man to find out ;) |
| 22:15.39 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: the brief example from the manual works here. |
| 22:15.57 | Jyzygzel- | well not here |
| 22:16.02 | Jyzygzel- | the server code is complete shit |
| 22:16.11 | Jyzygzel- | it does not work with VNC clients |
| 22:16.18 | alanhaggai | amphi: I will try that. Any other suggestions? |
| 22:16.24 | jelly-home | Jyzygzel-: you read the code? |
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| 22:16.28 | jelly-home | wow |
| 22:16.39 | Jyzygzel- | did the programmers even bother to look at the VNC protocol spesifications |
| 22:16.50 | Jyzygzel- | or did they just make their own proocol and call it vnc |
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| 22:17.23 | Tommy | Hello, i ran the new KDE4 beta debian livecd. But when it got to login i didnt know what to put as username/password. What do i use? |
| 22:17.54 | alanhaggai | Tommy: Try just bypassing it by pressing enter. |
| 22:18.32 | amphi | alanhaggai: no |
| 22:18.40 | Tommy | alanhaggai: that doesnt work |
| 22:18.57 | alanhaggai | amphi: Oh. Ok. |
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| 22:19.02 | Ronin | jelly-home: good idea |
| 22:19.09 | Tommy | I assumed it would auto-login, but it doesnt |
| 22:19.36 | mogra | it's not in the documentation anywehere? |
| 22:19.36 | archangel7863 | what is the equivalent package name for db4-devel? |
| 22:19.37 | mogra | where* |
| 22:19.44 | alanhaggai | When might kde4 feature in Debian? Atleast in testing/unstable? |
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| 22:20.28 | ttick | what is the main pkg name for X these days? Strangely, I installed fluxbox, and xdm, but no X came up with xdm. |
| 22:20.31 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 22:20.39 | jelly-home | !install x |
| 22:20.39 | dpkg | somebody said install xf4 was apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 22:20.39 | stew | ttick: xorg |
| 22:20.46 | archangel7863 | db4-devel is what it is called on red-hat what it is called for debian? |
| 22:20.54 | ttick | stew: thanks |
| 22:21.09 | jelly-home | hmm, that install x factoid looks sargeish |
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| 22:23.06 | ttick | that install x factoid is barely readable if you don't already know what you're doing. |
| 22:23.27 | Ronin | ttick: apt-get install is barely readable? |
| 22:23.36 | stew | xorg does edid on its own now, doesn't it |
| 22:24.02 | Ronin | edid? |
| 22:24.03 | ttick | Ronin: from what it says, does it recommend apt-get install xf4? read-edid? mdetect discover or install xorg? |
| 22:24.12 | Ronin | oops never mind |
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| 22:24.28 | Ronin | could use updating thats for sure |
| 22:26.00 | ttick | #debian sure is quiet these days |
| 22:26.26 | Ronin | ttick: sssh dont jinx it |
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| 22:26.32 | ttick | Ronin: heh |
| 22:26.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | ttick, split over two networks now |
| 22:26.41 | ttick | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, that would explain it. |
| 22:26.41 | stew | !forget install xf4 |
| 22:26.46 | MrDomino | plus #ubuntu... =p |
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| 22:28.24 | spacix | Hey, I just made one account for my vsftpd user, that should only have access to the www root, and set the /var/www/sitename as his home dir in passwd, only it keeps making the .bash_history file in the root, is there a way to set another default dir for that .bash_history file? |
| 22:28.48 | Galaxor | Hi. I've got a 64-bit host machine, and I'm trying to use kqemu to run some 32-bit guests. Using kqemu on my 64-bit machine means using qemu-system-x86_64. The 32-bit guests don't seem to like being in this environment. damnsmalllinux, for example, hangs with a black screen, and puppylinux gives me a kernel panic at boot time |
| 22:29.22 | abrotman | does a 64bit OS guest work? |
| 22:29.41 | stew | !install x |
| 22:29.41 | dpkg | to install x in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. if you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4> |
| 22:29.53 | Ronin | there we go |
| 22:29.55 | Galaxor | abrotman: That's an excellent question. Do you know of any quick and easy to download 64-bit linuxes I can test with? |
| 22:30.18 | stew | Galaxor: how about debian |
| 22:30.39 | Galaxor | stew: oh yeah -- the businesscard or netinst discs! |
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| 22:31.16 | jelly-home | stew: great, the only thing missing is xfce! :-) |
| 22:31.35 | Ronin | picky picky picky |
| 22:31.54 | Galaxor | Downloading. |
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| 22:32.41 | setog3 | hi, wich mp3 player can play things like ftp://host/plop.mp3 in a m3u file ? I find only mplayer, but I search something with an ncurses gui or a gtk |
| 22:32.44 | stew | jelly-home: exercise is left to the reader |
| 22:33.15 | abrotman | setog3: i think totem can do m3u |
| 22:33.21 | stew | gmplayer? |
| 22:33.23 | jelly-home | OTOH, sometimes completeness must be sacrificed for the sake of being concise. :-D |
| 22:33.26 | abrotman | there's xmms/audacious also |
| 22:33.37 | Galaxor | No, 64-bit debian businesscard does not appear to work in kqemu. |
| 22:33.49 | abrotman | blame canada! |
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| 22:33.59 | Ronin | abrotman: we can take it |
| 22:34.07 | setog3 | abrotman: the problem isn't m3u, but link like ftp://host plop/plop.mp3 .. I get error with xmms, and same with amarok, only mplayer works fine |
| 22:34.25 | Galaxor | Actually, that was the worst crash yet -- the other o one printed out the kernel panic message on the emulated screen. Debian businesscard crashed the qemu console. |
| 22:34.35 | ttick | ! fonts |
| 22:34.35 | dpkg | well, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 22:34.36 | stevo_inc | Who the heck was talking to me before my xchat crashed few minutes ago?? lol |
| 22:34.51 | stevo_inc | jelly-home, that was you, huh? |
| 22:34.53 | Galaxor | *sigh* maybe if I compile it from scratch... |
| 22:35.32 | jelly-home | setog3: that would imply libxine doesn't handle ftp:// urls. |
| 22:35.48 | karsten | stevo_inc: jelly-home, who can't tab-complete, apparently |
| 22:36.04 | stevo_inc | lol |
| 22:36.06 | stevo_inc | :) |
| 22:36.08 | abrotman | Galaxor: thought to ask #qemu ? |
| 22:36.11 | setog3 | jelly: I think I do a mistake when I wrote my m3u file.. because I allready read http:// file with xmms |
| 22:36.26 | Galaxor | abrotman: Now *that* is a good idea. |
| 22:36.37 | stevo_inc | jelly-home, your suggestion worked. It just took me a while because I had to install several dependencies the same way. Thanks for your help. |
| 22:36.38 | abrotman | Galaxor: just wait .. i've got another one in there somewhere |
| 22:37.14 | jelly-home | stevo_inc: glad to have helped |
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| 22:41.38 | jair | guys if I need to tar and gzip a directory all i do is => tar -cvf directory.tar.gz directory? |
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| 22:41.39 | setog3 | jelly-home: finaly .. it works if it's http .. and didn't with ftp |
| 22:42.24 | stew | jair: you need a z option as well to do the gzip part |
| 22:42.47 | elgar | i use debian 4.0 and just switched to another mainboard, now some hardware dont work properly. what have i to do now? |
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| 22:43.02 | stew | elgar: give us an example |
| 22:43.12 | elgar | sound dont work |
| 22:43.19 | elgar | i used alsaconf |
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| 22:43.28 | jair | stew: so will be tar -cvfz directory.tar.gz directory? |
| 22:43.29 | stew | elgar: does alsaconf detect your card? |
| 22:43.33 | stew | jair: yes |
| 22:43.38 | jair | elgar: yes |
| 22:43.50 | elgar | i think yes |
| 22:44.05 | elgar | there was a SIS device, but the other one was too |
| 22:44.08 | elgar | so i dont know |
| 22:44.35 | elgar | and btw, does debian unload the old modules by itself? |
| 22:44.38 | jair | elgar: you probably want to check this site =>http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/10/steps-to-get-audio-to-work-in-debian.html |
| 22:44.56 | elgar | THX jair |
| 22:45.02 | jair | you are welcome |
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| 22:47.03 | elgar | one more question. I cant believe everything is alright after i switched the mobo. Network ok, and Graphiccard ok. But i feel some kind of inconsistent |
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| 22:47.27 | elgar | when i get sound working is everything alright? |
| 22:47.59 | ttick | !artwiz |
| 22:48.04 | ttick | ! artwiz |
| 22:48.09 | ttick | hmm |
| 22:48.23 | jair | elgar: what do you mean? |
| 22:48.24 | Guerin | !tell ttick about msg the bot |
| 22:48.25 | ttick | what happen to the xfonts-artwiz? |
| 22:48.37 | Guerin | !search |
| 22:48.37 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 22:48.41 | jair | Thank you very much stew :) |
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| 22:48.59 | thunder_storm | hi @ all |
| 22:49.03 | thunder_storm | i have installed my mailserver according to the how-to http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ - everything works fine, but my problem is, the process clamscan runs every 2-4 minutes and produce a server-load (cpu) from 100% - and this 24 h / 7 days per week |
| 22:49.11 | jair | stew: I am compressing the directories and gzipping them ;) |
| 22:49.27 | karsten | thunder_storm: How much mail are you processing? |
| 22:49.28 | jair | stew: sorry tarring them and compressing them |
| 22:49.47 | karsten | thunder_storm: ... and is this 100% CPU load or high system load values? |
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| 22:50.21 | thunder_storm | hi karsten. i receive 300 spam-mails per day, it seems to be 1 spam-mail all 3-4 minutes |
| 22:50.41 | ttick | yeah, apt-cache search artwiz yields nothing. Wasn't that part of the standard sarge install, was it removed from etch? |
| 22:51.13 | karsten | thunder_storm: Well, in general, you want to avoid reprocessing mail you've already got a reason to reject. |
| 22:51.30 | thunder_storm | every 3-4 minutes the clamscan process runs for 2-4 minutes, again and again and produce 100% cpu-load |
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| 22:52.07 | thunder_storm | load average: 4.80, 4.30, 4.21 |
| 22:52.09 | spq | is it possible to use the ifdef ifndef ... commands knownfrom the gcc-preprocessor out of c (to generate configfiles) |
| 22:53.21 | thunder_storm | karsten: rejecting mails is a good idea - but my knowlege is not so good in this area. you know the workaround-howto? |
| 22:53.24 | nhuismanwork | it seems like the more balance-rr nics I add to my bond the slower the single xfer rate is? |
| 22:53.38 | nhuismanwork | is this because of out of order transmissions causing tcp to congest? |
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| 22:54.28 | zophy{} | what is the best gui frontend for svn ? |
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| 22:54.47 | karsten | thunder_storm: If you've installed exim4 or postfix you've got a lot fo options to reject mail based on IP at receipt time. |
| 22:55.13 | karsten | thunder_storm: Content-based processing is much more intensive, so AV scanning and spam scanning tend to consume a lot of CPU cycles. |
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| 22:55.53 | thunder_storm | karsten: you know documentations / tutorials for learn to rejecting emails? |
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| 22:56.42 | ttick | zophy: eclipse makes a nice subversion frontend -- though, that's a little heavyweight for just svn browsing. |
| 22:57.19 | karsten | thunder_storm: BBIAM, meeting. |
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| 22:58.23 | thunder_storm | karsten: one permission to resolve my problem is, i deactivate the clamscan soon as possible |
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| 22:59.12 | zophy[] | what is the best gui frontend for svn ? |
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| 23:00.35 | karsten | thunder_storm: Sec... |
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| 23:01.20 | karsten | thunder_storm: Which MTA are you using? |
| 23:01.37 | tls_81 | good evening, I have a server running etch that perhaps once a week the interface eth0 goes down and then back up again a few seconds later. when it happens it's always 2 to 3 times separated by a few minutes... possible causes? |
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| 23:02.11 | karsten | thunder_storm: In general, as mail comes in: determine if it's from a known good sender (remote mailserver), and shunt it to your normal processing (spam and AV filter). |
| 23:02.12 | tls_81 | the logs are not very helpful... Load is not high at that time and only few connections to the server... |
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| 23:02.57 | thunder_storm | karsten: i'm using postfix and dovecot |
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| 23:03.30 | thunder_storm | according to this how-to: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ |
| 23:03.41 | muh2000 | i installed imagemagick with apt-get. but where is it stored? i cant find it under /usr/bin :( |
| 23:04.07 | karsten | thunder_storm: If it's not from a known good sender: is it from a known bad sender (locally maintained list, automated if possible), is it the first time you've seen the server (greymilter / greylist, temporary reject), run a bayesian classifier (good, reasonably fast), run output through spamassassin (better, but slow and memory-heavy), and only pass the stuff that's still coming through through an AV filter. |
| 23:04.35 | bts3685 | muh2000: is it /usr/share/bin? |
| 23:04.53 | tls_81 | is this normal? |
| 23:04.57 | karsten | thunder_storm: You might reverse the order of the spam and AV filtering if it turns out you get more viral mail than spam. In any case, you want to reject the mail at the MTA and forbid delivery, *NOT* accept it then generate a nondelivery notification, which is itself spam. |
| 23:05.08 | muh2000 | bts3685: no :( |
| 23:05.16 | karsten | muh2000: dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin |
| 23:05.20 | bts3685 | hold on, i'll find it |
| 23:05.40 | tls_81 | whereis imagemagik? |
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| 23:05.50 | muh2000 | karsten: aaahhh ok :) thnx |
| 23:06.15 | karsten | muh2000: ... will show you where the binaries went. It doesn't actually have an "imagemagick" binary. You'll have: convert, identify, mogrify, composite, etc. |
| 23:06.23 | bts3685 | yeah |
| 23:06.38 | bts3685 | i was just gonna say "uhh... it's not one binary" |
| 23:06.40 | karsten | thunder_storm: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_spam_postfix/ |
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| 23:07.03 | muh2000 | karsten: yeah that came in my mind when i executed the the dpkg -L imagemagick | grep bin :) |
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| 23:07.36 | karsten | thunder_storm: What I'd look for is something which takes the results of spamassassin and bayesian classifiers (eg: bogofilter) and add the remote server IP to a temporarially (1h - 1day) banned hostlist. |
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| 23:07.50 | karsten | thunder_storm: IP-based rejections are fast and cheap. |
| 23:07.51 | bts3685 | muh2000: from the looks of it, they all should be /usr/bin/<foo> |
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| 23:08.03 | karsten | thunder_storm: Local mailserver dumps about 40k delivery attempts a day. |
| 23:08.06 | muh2000 | bts3685: yes they are all in /usr/bin :) |
| 23:08.10 | bts3685 | unless you're using something strange like SuSE or so forth |
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| 23:09.13 | thunder_storm | karsten: i thank you so much - i have understand it |
| 23:09.15 | karsten | thunder_storm: http://osdir.com/ml/user-groups.linux.ilug.general/2004-03/msg00121.html |
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| 23:10.30 | stew | karsten: though do you really want to put, for instance, gmail's mailservers into a blacklist? |
| 23:10.49 | thunder_storm | karsten: your informations are great - i will learn the way, how to do it |
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| 23:11.07 | blahdeblah | Does anyone know of a build of Mozilla Lightning calendar that is compatible with Icedove 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.14b.dfsg1-0etch1 on amd64? |
| 23:11.17 | karsten | thunder_storm: google "postfix spam filter" or "postfix spam filtering" for more. I think the postfix manual will have some very good tips. Try also the #postfix channel here. |
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| 23:12.21 | thunder_storm | karsten: thank you for your very good support |
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| 23:12.51 | karsten | thunder_storm: http://postfix.wiki.xs4all.nl/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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| 23:12.59 | karsten | thunder_storm: ... is the postfix wiki w/ more spam refs. |
| 23:13.02 | ShadowPhoenix | Please help me, how do I undo "rm"???? |
| 23:13.10 | ShadowPhoenix | I just "rm"ed a file :( |
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| 23:13.24 | ShadowPhoenix | I believe my filesystem is ext3 |
| 23:13.44 | DawnLight | i've heard rm is forever |
| 23:14.03 | bts3685 | you're confusing that with diamonds. |
| 23:14.08 | bts3685 | ShadowPhoenix: first things first, |
| 23:14.11 | bts3685 | STOP USING THE COMPUTER |
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| 23:14.21 | bts3685 | boot from knoppix |
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| 23:14.35 | DawnLight | stop any downloads |
| 23:14.39 | bts3685 | the longer you use the computer, the more you risk writing over the node |
| 23:14.51 | jelly-ho | nah, just hard-reset and don't let it boot |
| 23:14.54 | ShadowPhoenix | is it hard to save it? |
| 23:15.07 | bts3685 | ShadowPhoenix: look up unrm and lazarus |
| 23:15.13 | ShadowPhoenix | (I just deleted gcc for some reason) |
| 23:15.14 | bts3685 | and become familiar with GNU ddrescue |
| 23:15.14 | jelly-ho | ShadowPhoenix: is the file worth more than $50? |
| 23:15.26 | blahdeblah | ShadowPhoenix: Why not just reinstall gcc? |
| 23:15.31 | ttick | okay, really, anyone know why the xfonts-artwiz pkg went away? Or is it under a different name now? It was in sarge, no longer there for some reason. |
| 23:15.41 | DawnLight | ShadowPhoenix: yeah, that is a file everyone has |
| 23:15.42 | ShadowPhoenix | last time I tried in in gentoo it went all screwy :( |
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| 23:15.57 | bts3685 | that's because gentoo uses gcc to compile. |
| 23:16.19 | ShadowPhoenix | doesn't debian? |
| 23:16.25 | bts3685 | only if you're compiling |
| 23:16.32 | blahdeblah | ShadowPhoenix: yes, but not every time you install a package |
| 23:16.34 | bts3685 | when you install, it doesn't compile |
| 23:16.41 | ShadowPhoenix | OH |
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| 23:16.50 | bts3685 | ShadowPhoenix: here's what you do: |
| 23:16.55 | ShadowPhoenix | apt-get install gcc? |
| 23:16.59 | bts3685 | aptitude remove --purge gcc |
| 23:17.01 | bts3685 | THEN |
| 23:17.05 | bts3685 | aptitude install gcc |
| 23:17.11 | ShadowPhoenix | sweet! |
| 23:17.13 | bts3685 | we want to start fresh. |
| 23:17.13 | blahdeblah | bts3685: That's aptitude purge, not aptitude remove --purge |
| 23:17.41 | bts3685 | blahdeblah: really? i've always done it that way. hell, i didn't know there was a shorter way to do it. thanks for the tip! |
| 23:18.00 | blahdeblah | bts3685: I'm pretty sure aptitude doesn't support that syntax - only apt-get does. |
| 23:18.21 | blahdeblah | Then again, i could be wrong. |
| 23:18.39 | blahdeblah | I thought i got a syntax error last time i tried that, but it looks like it works. I'll shut up now. |
| 23:18.43 | bts3685 | yeah, i just tried it out. works fine. but now that i know a shorter form.. :) |
| 23:18.45 | DawnLight | is there something similar to drupal in the repos? |
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| 23:19.40 | bts3685 | DawnLight: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=drupal&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 23:20.08 | bts3685 | (does anyone else find it weird that drupal4.7 is in sid, and drupal5 is in lenny?) |
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| 23:20.52 | stew | bts3685: drupal5 is in both |
| 23:21.01 | DawnLight | bts3685: i want in stable! but nice anyway, wow. nice. heh |
| 23:21.39 | bts3685 | DawnLight: drupal4.5 is in sarge repos. i'd venture that to be considered stable. |
| 23:21.58 | DawnLight | i wonder how them upgrades work with those things |
| 23:21.58 | blahdeblah | bts3685: Anyone using drupal from debian is asking for trouble - it doesn't get updated anywhere near often enough. |
| 23:22.14 | bts3685 | stew: yeah, but you'd think 4.7 would see lenny, not 5 |
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| 23:22.47 | bts3685 | blahdeblah: i agree. DawnLight: if i were you, i'd install from source and remember to check for updates often. more work, but more secure. |
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| 23:23.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. totem seems buggy. (supprise supprise). wonder if its worth reporting a bug |
| 23:23.22 | DawnLight | main thing bugging me about drupal are the upgrades. move this here, back this up, delete this, download this, decompress that, upload this... |
| 23:23.35 | blahdeblah | DawnLight: Tell me about it - what a pain! |
| 23:23.46 | blahdeblah | Still, it's a very flexible CMS that has a lot of uses. |
| 23:23.57 | ttick | reinstalling everything from scratch is such a mixed blessing. You never really remember everyhting you did last time. |
| 23:24.07 | DawnLight | i like it. and i don't even know php! |
| 23:24.53 | stew | bts3685: the drupal-4.7 is provided by the drupal source package. it was removed from testing when etch was testing becuase it was deemed not fit for release. this block on it entering testing has remained in place since then. the drupal5 package which is considered completely different by debian does not have such a block and so it has migrated to testing |
| 23:25.22 | bts3685 | stew: ahhh. thanks for the clarification! |
| 23:25.23 | ShadowPhoenix | Sweet! It WORKED! :D |
| 23:25.25 | ShadowPhoenix | Thank you guys! |
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| 23:25.32 | ShadowPhoenix | Now my sister is alive again!!! |
| 23:25.34 | bts3685 | ShadowPhoenix: glad we could help! |
| 23:25.35 | ShadowPhoenix | *system |
| 23:25.38 | bts3685 | .... |
| 23:25.45 | bts3685 | if i wasn't so lazy, i'd bash.org that. |
| 23:25.50 | ShadowPhoenix | bash.org? |
| 23:26.06 | bts3685 | http://bash.org/ |
| 23:26.14 | bts3685 | it will suck all free time from you. |
| 23:26.27 | ShadowPhoenix | hmm |
| 23:26.33 | ShadowPhoenix | to click, or not to click... |
| 23:26.34 | jelly-ho | well not all, just the time to read top 100-200 |
| 23:26.44 | mirak | is there a way to reload user groups without login out and relog in ? |
| 23:26.57 | jelly-ho | mirak: no |
| 23:26.59 | ShadowPhoenix | I just remember seeing the goatse when I clicked on a link X.X |
| 23:27.19 | mirak | jelly-ho: there is really no way to force reload the rights ? |
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| 23:27.53 | bts3685 | ShadowPhoenix: the link i posed is safe. the links posted in many of those quotes, however, are not. haha |
| 23:28.09 | jelly-ho | mirak: correct. those are inherited from the parent process, and when you logged in you didn't have them |
| 23:28.14 | inimino | mirak: try sg and newgrp |
| 23:28.31 | jelly-ho | mirak: you can log in a second time on another console |
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| 23:28.43 | mirak | jelly-ho: yes or with ssh lol |
| 23:28.48 | jelly-ho | right |
| 23:28.54 | inimino | you can simply open a terminal, use sg, and run what you need |
| 23:29.10 | ShadowPhoenix | lol |
| 23:29.11 | mirak | jelly-ho: I am not sure I can login again, exept maybe with su |
| 23:29.20 | ShadowPhoenix | Awesome, then I will check it out bts3685 =) |
| 23:29.24 | ShadowPhoenix | See ya guys! Thanks again! |
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| 23:31.53 | jelly-ho | inimino: well even though sg is a setuid, I just tried to add myself to another group, then sg to that group and id doesn't show it. Neither does creating a file. |
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| 23:32.12 | tingle | hi, how can i unzip a .zip package? i already instapp zip and unzip but cant figure it out i read the man but get this message End-of-central-directory signature not found. |
| 23:32.19 | thunder_storm | karsten: do you have a second? |
| 23:32.27 | jelly-ho | inimino: oh nm, I'm blind. It works |
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| 23:33.34 | jelly-ho | tingle: your zip file is probably not complete then |
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| 23:33.48 | thunder_storm | TROUBLE in check_mail: virus_scan FAILED: virus_scan: ALL VIRUS SCANNERS FAILED: ClamAV-clamd av-scanner FAILED: Too many retries to talk to /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (Can't connect toUNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl: No such file or directory) at (eval 48) line 268.; ClamAV-clamscan av-scanner FAILED:/usr/bin/clamscan timed out at (eval 48) line 462 |
| 23:34.10 | jelly-ho | thunder_storm: clamd died? |
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| 23:34.25 | thunder_storm | it seems to be |
| 23:34.29 | tingle | jelly-ho: thats to bad :( |
| 23:34.43 | karsten | thunder_storm: Sometimes three. |
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| 23:34.59 | tingle | jelly-ho: i was trying to download the fluxbox matrix theme i really love it :P |
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| 23:35.11 | karsten | thunder_storm: Sounds like your clamscan daemon isn't running, but I'm not an expert here. |
| 23:35.38 | jelly-ho | weird thing is apparently the fallback, standalone clamscan failed too |
| 23:36.40 | thunder_storm | karsten: in the logfile i see thousands of these messages :-) |
| 23:36.43 | jelly-ho | clamd is the daemon (failure to connect to its socket is the first error), and clamscan is command line, doesn't depend on clamd running |
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| 23:36.56 | Ep2 | hio |
| 23:37.21 | jelly-ho | thunder_storm: if you trace the log to when the messages started, you'll find out when clamav stopped working well |
| 23:37.46 | jelly-ho | thunder_storm: check if clamd is running and try restarting the service. |
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| 23:37.56 | thunder_storm | jelly-ho: i will deactivate clamd now - i see, it works not -> since the last update |
| 23:38.56 | jelly-ho | sure, if you have another antivirus |
| 23:39.25 | jelly-ho | thunder_storm: but the line above looks like you only have clamav |
| 23:39.35 | thunder_storm | jelly-ho: hm - do i need a virus-scanner, really? |
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| 23:40.08 | jelly-ho | thunder_storm: only if you want your windows users not to get viruses via mail |
| 23:40.15 | thunder_storm | i use the mail-server only for my and the computer of my wife |
| 23:40.52 | jelly-ho | if any of those is a windows machine, you want it |
| 23:40.53 | thunder_storm | my wife use windows-xp and have antivir - i'm using ubuntu gutsy |
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| 23:41.21 | nhuismanwork | hey question, what is the max throughput of a gige interface in mbytes/sec? |
| 23:41.23 | nhuismanwork | 125? |
| 23:41.34 | jelly-ho | nhuismanwork: theoretical? yes. |
| 23:41.51 | nhuismanwork | so the second question is, is it possible to use bonding mode 0 to up this? |
| 23:41.52 | pestilence | why can't i download testing cd's with bittorrent? |
| 23:42.02 | pestilence | "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." |
| 23:42.07 | nhuismanwork | i seem to get worse and worse performance for a single tcp session the more I add in nics |
| 23:42.18 | nhuismanwork | starts at like 105mbytes/sec with one nic |
| 23:42.23 | nhuismanwork | then goes to 75 with 2 and 66 with 3 |
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| 23:42.34 | jelly-ho | nhuismanwork: use multiple streams. |
| 23:42.39 | nhuismanwork | can't |
| 23:42.43 | nhuismanwork | it's a drbd session |
| 23:43.00 | jelly-ho | does the other side use bonding too? |
| 23:43.02 | nhuismanwork | yes |
| 23:43.16 | nhuismanwork | i would think it should go up |
| 23:43.32 | nhuismanwork | unless out of order packets are causing tcp/ip to slow it down |
| 23:43.42 | stew | pestilence: what is the url to the .torrent that you are having trouble with? |
| 23:43.50 | jelly-ho | nhuismanwork: I have no experience with it, only some vague notion on how it's supposed to work :-) |
| 23:43.57 | nhuismanwork | np |
| 23:44.02 | pestilence | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 23:44.06 | pestilence | stew: ^^ |
| 23:44.07 | jelly-ho | nhuismanwork: what's your mtu, btw? |
| 23:44.11 | nhuismanwork | 1500 |
| 23:44.14 | nhuismanwork | could goto jumbo frames |
| 23:44.16 | pestilence | i get the same thing for DVD's |
| 23:44.36 | jelly-ho | nhuismanwork: how much cpu do you lose on interrupts/softirq? |
| 23:44.48 | jelly-ho | nhuismanwork: and system? |
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| 23:45.05 | nhuismanwork | dual core 2.2 ghz, only using like 12% cpu |
| 23:45.23 | jelly-ho | not too much |
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| 23:46.33 | jelly-ho | nhuismanwork: I don't think you'd gain much with jumbo frames but who knows |
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| 23:48.00 | pestilence | stew: work for you? |
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| 23:49.11 | ddalton | anyone know a command line irc client? |
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| 23:49.16 | ddalton | or just one that will work in the console |
| 23:49.30 | pestilence | ddalton: irssi |
| 23:49.37 | karsten | DawnLight: irssi |
| 23:49.41 | karsten | ddalton: ^^ |
| 23:49.45 | karsten | ddalton: Best there is IMO. |
| 23:50.06 | ddalton | thanks... |
| 23:50.18 | ddalton | and my apt-get install can't get the source for emacs. Why? |
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| 23:53.18 | ddalton | how do I join here? with irssi? |
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| 23:53.37 | ddalton | I can't get any sources for anything. I am a programmer and want them... |
| 23:53.45 | ddalton | Or becoming one :-) |
| 23:54.03 | karsten | ddalton: install irssi. 'irssi', then '/server irc.freenode.net; /join #debian' |
| 23:54.11 | karsten | ddalton: /help will give you a command summary |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
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| 23:55.10 | martin_ | How can i make the volume keys on my keyboard work without using Xorg? |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 23:55.54 | dkr | hack the keyboard driver? |
| 23:56.00 | abrotman | i dont' think that requires X |
| 23:56.43 | dkr | i think it does, :) "lineakd is the daemon that runs in the background of an X session and listens to incoming events from multimedia buttons" |
| 23:57.31 | ddalton | is the ; part of it? |
| 23:57.39 | ddalton | karsten |
| 23:58.00 | karsten | ddalton: ';' is a command seperator on bash. |
| 23:58.17 | martin_ | I will look into lineakd. Thanks abrotman, dkr! |
| 23:58.20 | karsten | ddalton: Launch irssi. Then run the following commands in the irssi session. |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | martin_: if you have a thinkpad .. there's a program for those button |
| 23:58.34 | abrotman | buttons |
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| 23:58.56 | martin_ | No, Dell! |
| 23:59.19 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | dpkg: a little slow |
| 23:59.54 | martin_ | I know they work in Ubuntu. But I have installed a basic Debian and would like them to work without always having X running! |
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