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| 00:09.49 | HappyHOBO | How come I have no sound playing videos but all of my system sounds are working perfectly? I have PCM and Master volumes both all the way up. |
| 00:10.14 | stew | HappyHOBO: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 00:10.53 | HappyHOBO | How would I find out stew? |
| 00:11.02 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 00:11.33 | stew | HappyHOBO: lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss |
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| 00:12.34 | HappyHOBO | It's loaded stew |
| 00:13.41 | stew | HappyHOBO: then i'd guess the problem is that something is already using your sound card and your sound card doesn't support hardware mixing |
| 00:13.55 | stew | HappyHOBO: does "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" return anything? |
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| 00:14.43 | HappyHOBO | /dev/dsp: 4308 |
| 00:14.43 | HappyHOBO | /dev/snd/controlC0: 4430 |
| 00:15.25 | ddalton | is it possible I don't have a lib dir? |
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| 00:15.37 | stew | HappyHOBO: what is 4308? (ps aux | grep 4308) |
| 00:15.38 | ddalton | I can't get the sources for my applications |
| 00:15.57 | stew | ddalton: what do you mean? what makes you ask this? |
| 00:15.59 | jakub_ | HappyH0B0: alsaconfig |
| 00:16.01 | Freakingme | ddalton that is possible. Though not plausible |
| 00:16.31 | ddalton | stew: When I run apt-get install I can only install the apps. It can't get the source and put it where ever it goes. |
| 00:16.45 | ddalton | BTW Im completely new to this. Only been on linux for 3 days |
| 00:16.52 | HappyHOBO | shane 4308 0.0 0.2 3608 2092 ? S Nov08 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps root 13021 0.0 0.0 4056 676 pts/0 R+ 18:15 0:00 grep 4308 |
| 00:16.54 | stew | ddalton: you want to get the source of a package? |
| 00:17.17 | ddalton | stew: Yes. But it gives me an error when I type apt-get install mut |
| 00:17.21 | ddalton | mutt |
| 00:17.27 | stew | ddalton: what error? |
| 00:17.29 | ddalton | about the source... |
| 00:17.38 | stew | show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:17.49 | ddalton | stew: I already have it so ill try something else... |
| 00:18.29 | stew | HappyHOBO: esd is the "enlightenment sound daemon" it is a way to share the sound card with multiple applications. perhaps the software you are using knows how to talk to esd instead of alsa directly? |
| 00:18.35 | stew | HappyHOBO: or you can just kill esd |
| 00:18.46 | stew | ddalton: how do you already have it if you get an error installing it? |
| 00:18.58 | HappyHOBO | how do I kill esd? |
| 00:19.01 | ddalton | stew: it installs just with no source.... |
| 00:19.09 | stew | ddalton: why do you need the source? |
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| 00:21.07 | HappyHOBO | killall -15 esd didn't work stew |
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| 00:21.25 | ddalton | ok Im using braille here. But it says something about not been able to stat etch/main... |
| 00:21.33 | ddalton | stat etch |
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| 00:22.10 | ugly | what wiki backend does urbandictionary run on? I'm looking to create a site of similar design, but not sure which wiki software would be most appropriate for the task |
| 00:22.31 | ugly | mediawiki seems like overkill |
| 00:23.04 | stew | ddalton: I'd guess that you haven't yet properly setup /etc/apt/sources.list ; |
| 00:23.20 | stew | ddalton: what country are you in? |
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| 00:23.36 | stew | HappyHOBO: you'd probably have to be root to kill it |
| 00:23.41 | ddalton | stew: yes I think so. Someone was helping me last night with that. /apt/sources.list or something like that? |
| 00:23.47 | HappyHOBO | I am root stew |
| 00:23.49 | ddalton | does that sound right? |
| 00:24.03 | abrotman | ugly: ask them http://www.urbandictionary.com/chat.php |
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| 00:24.05 | ddalton | stew: australia why? |
| 00:24.07 | stew | ddalton: yes. /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:24.16 | ddalton | ah thats the one. |
| 00:24.22 | ddalton | what shall I do to it? |
| 00:24.23 | extor | I just installed mod_php4 but it is not configured. I uninstalled and reinstalled mod_php4 and its still not appearing in httpd.conf and/or modules.conf. How can I get debian to do that for me? |
| 00:24.44 | ddalton | stew: can I just download one and replace my one? |
| 00:24.52 | ugly | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:25.03 | ddalton | stew: and it says something about no such file or directory. |
| 00:25.10 | ddalton | I think it is /var something |
| 00:25.30 | stew | ddalton: you want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add two lines: "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main" |
| 00:25.41 | ugly | abrotman: heh only took about 5 seconds for a 2girls1cup reference to show up in that chat room |
| 00:25.50 | stew | ddalton: after that, run "aptitude update" then "aptitude install mutt" should work. |
| 00:25.51 | HappyHOBO | I did alsaconf stew and now I have no sound at all. grrrrrr! |
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| 00:26.00 | abrotman | ugly: not surprised |
| 00:26.18 | ddalton | can you give me that last one again once I add this? And can I just use emacs? |
| 00:27.17 | stew | ddalton: yes, any editor you are comfortable with |
| 00:27.45 | dkr | why does ldd /usr/bin/scp have linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) and I don't have linux-gate in my system? does this mean it is an "optional" shared lib? |
| 00:28.39 | HappyHOBO | brb going to restart x and see if it restarts sound |
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| 00:29.48 | dkr | oh, it's a virtual DSO |
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| 00:30.11 | lavamind | hello |
| 00:30.30 | dkr | it broke ldd output processing in rssh chroot setup script. time to submit a patch. :) |
| 00:30.58 | HappyHobo | stew I have system sounds again but still no video sound |
| 00:31.06 | lavamind | quick question, on a vanilla Debian installation, what permissions are normally granted to users in the "admin" group ? |
| 00:31.25 | stew | HappyHobo: you either need to kill esd or tell whatever applicatoin you are trying to use to use esd |
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| 00:31.56 | dkr | lavamind: I don't even have an admin group. you aren't running debian stable? |
| 00:31.59 | HappyHobo | how do I tell kmplayer and epiphany to use esd stew? |
| 00:32.00 | stew | lavamind: a vanilla debian installation doesn't have an admin group |
| 00:32.06 | stew | HappyHobo: no idea |
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| 00:32.52 | abrotman | i doubt kmplayer wants anything to do with ESD |
| 00:33.17 | HappyHobo | I hate having to log out of linux and into Vista just to watch youtube, comcast videos and pornography. |
| 00:33.21 | lavamind | I have sid installed here, there's a group called "adm" |
| 00:33.26 | stew | HappyHobo: in mplayer it would be "-ao esd" but i don't know if those command line options work in kmplayer |
| 00:33.58 | stew | HappyHobo: i would recommend just ditching esd in any case |
| 00:34.14 | gyges | HappyHobo: you shouldn't need esd for those uses |
| 00:34.21 | stew | HappyHobo: if youreally need to listen to two sounds at once use dmix (which i thoguht was enabled by default these days) |
| 00:34.24 | thelostbutler | lavamind: why do you want to add users to adm group ? what is that you are trying to achieve |
| 00:34.26 | stew | !dmix |
| 00:34.27 | dpkg | it has been said that dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 00:34.37 | ddalton | stew: Ok I added the lines now what do I do? |
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| 00:34.47 | stew | lavamind: generally, adm has the ability to read logfiles. |
| 00:35.03 | stew | ddalton: run "aptitude update" then try to install again, perhaps "aptitude install mutt" |
| 00:35.12 | lavamind | I'd like to be able to mount an nfts partition via ntfs-3g on gnome |
| 00:35.29 | lavamind | right now I get the not privileged error message |
| 00:35.45 | gyges | I've recently returned to a debian install, but I only knew apt-get, what are the pros/cons of aptitude, if any? |
| 00:35.55 | lavamind | I read it was done via the admin group on some forum |
| 00:35.59 | dkr | also chown root:adm /dev/xconsole |
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| 00:36.06 | amphi | !tell gyges about why aptitude |
| 00:36.14 | gyges | thanks amphi |
| 00:36.16 | dkr | well, that's part of logging |
| 00:36.38 | gyges | amphi: good enough for me |
| 00:36.46 | lavamind | hrmm, maybe adding the username to "fuse" group will do it ? |
| 00:37.00 | dkr | lavamind: you need to add user to mount options in /tc/fstab to allo wnon-root to mount a fs |
| 00:37.02 | stew | lavamind: yes, probably. logout and log back in after being added to the group |
| 00:37.05 | HappyHobo | With mplayer I have sound but no video stew rofl |
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| 00:37.26 | stew | HappyHobo: try adding "-vo xv" or "-vo x11" |
| 00:37.56 | amphi | gyges: the conflict resolution seems to work very well |
| 00:38.24 | orto | How to install Xen on Lenny ?? |
| 00:38.58 | lavamind | dkr, if I add it to fstab, what option should I use to prevent mounting at startup? is it noauto ? |
| 00:39.30 | HymnToLife | lavamind, yep, noauto |
| 00:39.31 | dkr | lavamind: correct |
| 00:40.07 | lavamind | ok thanks, I will try adding the user to the group fuse and adding a line in fstab |
| 00:40.10 | dkr | lavamind: although if this your private amchien you might consider specifying uid=youruid and letting it be auto mounted so you always have access to it |
| 00:40.25 | dkr | (root woul dmount at boot, but your uid woul dhave perms) |
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| 00:41.09 | lavamind | hrmm, but ive always had a feeling that doing this for an ntfs partition would be bad, automounting at startup |
| 00:41.30 | ddalton | ok thanks for the help. Im not sure if its working yet but ill keep trying |
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| 00:41.51 | Karamon | Hello I have a problem with a computer that I'm working on where I get DNS resolution, but any time I ping a site (google, whatever) I get no response. Where can I begin to troubleshoot? |
| 00:42.01 | lavamind | perhaps that was only valid back when ntfs support was still really flaky ? |
| 00:43.05 | dkr | lavamind: sounds about right |
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| 00:43.34 | HappyHobo | epiphany is using mplayer and there is video but not sound stew |
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| 00:44.29 | Karamon | Is there perhaps a different channel more suited to my question? :) |
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| 00:45.19 | dkr | Karamon: #networking |
| 00:45.28 | lavamind | Karamon, is this a Debian system ? |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | Karamon: your ISP might be blocking ping |
| 00:45.50 | HappyHobo | i looked for a sound channel but there wasn't one |
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| 00:47.14 | gyges | HappyHobo: sound channel on freenode or in your system ? |
| 00:48.06 | Karamon | lavamind, abrotman: It is a debian system. I can ping items by their IP address, but when I ping google.com, this is the response: |
| 00:48.36 | HappyHobo | gyges: on freenode |
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| 00:49.03 | HappyHobo | I have a very frustertating situation |
| 00:49.12 | Karamon | PING google.com (64.233.187.99) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 00:49.15 | gyges | HappyHobo: I doubt that generally, are you looking for a specific sound project? |
| 00:49.17 | Karamon | But no ping responses |
| 00:49.33 | dvs | Karamon: that means it's blocked |
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| 00:49.39 | abrotman | but ping 64.233.187.99 works ? |
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| 00:50.01 | lavamind | Karamon, try : wget google.com |
| 00:50.18 | Karamon | abrotman: yes, ip addresses work |
| 00:50.27 | lavamind | Karamon, if it works, then only pings seem to be blocked |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | lavamind: ping isn't blocked |
| 00:50.45 | dvs | nameserver is pooched |
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| 00:51.08 | Karamon | lavamind: It hangs at "Resolving google.com" so maybe it is a DNS issue? |
| 00:51.26 | lavamind | Karamon, looks like a DNS issue , yes |
| 00:51.42 | Karamon | Does anyone know the ideal configuratin for resolv.conf for a comcast subscriber? |
| 00:52.04 | lavamind | Karamon, are you using a router or plugging your modem directly into your computer ? |
| 00:52.22 | Karamon | lavamind: router, and my resolv.conf has my router ip address as its DNS servers |
| 00:52.28 | HappyHobo | gyges I have system sounds but no sounds with video in epiphany or using kmplayer, mplayer has sound but no video |
| 00:52.36 | Karamon | lavamind: The only thing I'm not sure on is the "search" directive |
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| 00:53.17 | abrotman | Karamon: can you surf the web? |
| 00:53.19 | lavamind | Karamon, check your router's status page, look at the DNS entries there |
| 00:53.39 | Karamon | lavamind: I have looked at them, should I set the DNS entries there to the entries in resolv.conf? |
| 00:53.54 | lavamind | Karamon, won,t hurt to try |
| 00:54.25 | Nyle | Caramon... Majere |
| 00:54.36 | Nyle | dvs hey long time no see |
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| 00:55.16 | Karamon | lavamind: The first line of the resolv.conf is "search se.rr.com" roadrunner went out of business, does anyone know what this should be for comcast? |
| 00:55.41 | Nyle | roadrunner didn't go out of business |
| 00:55.56 | Nyle | my sister 2 miles away from here has road runner cable at her hous |
| 00:55.59 | lavamind | Karamon, a quick search on google turns up a lot of pages about problems with DNS and Comcast |
| 00:56.37 | abrotman | Karamon: you might want to reset your modem/router .. comcast sucks :) |
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| 00:57.02 | Karamon | lavamind, abrotman: I'm currently communicating with you through another computer on the same modem |
| 00:57.22 | abrotman | Karamon: does 'nslookup www.google.com' work from the debian box ? |
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| 00:58.04 | lavamind | Karamon, there's one site suggesting Comcast subscribers use OpenDNS servers |
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| 00:58.28 | Karamon | abrotman, lavamind: Thankyou very much for the help, after changing the DNS servers to Comcast's DNS servers on the debian box, the situation resolved itself. I |
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| 00:58.44 | abrotman | Karamon: your router should pass those on .. but whatever |
| 00:58.49 | Karamon | I'm still confused why the router wouldn't forward the DNS requests to comcast's servers, but whatever, problem solved. |
| 00:59.03 | lavamind | Karamon, if you have more problems, try using OpenDNS servers : 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 (www.opendns.com) |
| 00:59.17 | Karamon | will do, once again I appreciate the help guys! |
| 00:59.33 | gyges | and away they go |
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| 00:59.37 | HappyHobo | stew it won't let me have system sounds and video I had to cut it off. |
| 01:02.01 | TJNII | Is there a way to get apt-get to not set services to start by default? What I mean is if I install something like tftpd I want to set when/where it starts, not apt-get |
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| 01:05.57 | lavamind | TJNII, as far as I know, no, but you can always makes the necessary changes afterwards |
| 01:05.57 | lavamind | TJNII, plus, most debian packages for things such as ftp servers are set not to start until they are configured |
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| 01:06.45 | lavamind | TJNII, for example, you have to set ENABLED=1 in /etc/default/spamassassin for it to start, its packaged with ENABLED=0 |
| 01:06.45 | TJNII | lavamind: Well, that's what I've been doing. Having to run update-rc.d after installing is annoying |
| 01:07.03 | TJNII | And most packages I've installed start by default |
| 01:07.08 | TJNII | Oh well |
| 01:07.12 | TJNII | I'll live |
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| 01:08.22 | lavamind | TJNII, you can do it with sysv-rc-conf, its somewhat less painful than update-rc.d |
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| 01:12.08 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:12.08 | dpkg | my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis |
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| 01:16.50 | r121 | if I add a second NIC to my machine, how do I set it up so that the system knows that network A can be found on one interface, and everything else is found on the other? |
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| 01:19.45 | orto | sorry for silly question.. where is the best place to store iptables rules? |
| 01:21.11 | abrotman | whereever you want really |
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| 01:21.52 | dkr | orto: I make my own script called /etc/init.d/firewall |
| 01:22.09 | dkr | orto: you could use iptables-save |
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| 01:23.47 | orto | dkr: thanx, I'v already done in this way. And with what priority should it be in /etc/rcx.d ? |
| 01:24.49 | dkr | orto: I used S12 |
| 01:25.00 | vorpal | orto, presumeable immediately after network is brought up |
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| 01:25.54 | orto | dkr,vorpal: thank you! :) |
| 01:27.02 | vorpal | orto, should i buy the thinkpad? |
| 01:28.02 | orto | vorpal: yeah! |
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| 01:30.24 | picard_pwns_kirk | is there any way for me to get gnome 2.20 on Lenny? |
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| 01:32.05 | picard_pwns_kirk | hello? |
| 01:32.23 | Nyle | hi |
| 01:32.35 | Nyle | starwars_pwns_startrek |
| 01:32.36 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:32.42 | picard_pwns_kirk | any way to get gnome 2.20 on Lenny? |
| 01:32.57 | Nyle | picard_pwns_kirk: dunno, I don't use it |
| 01:33.29 | picard_pwns_kirk | does Lenny have it? |
| 01:33.29 | Nyle | skywalker_pwns_picard :D la de da... you could try to backport it, or wait a while |
| 01:33.38 | Nyle | picard_pwns_kirk: why don't you check for yourself |
| 01:33.44 | xula | Q: I have set the CPU scaling Governor to conservative, but each time I entered the GNOME, it automatically changed to ondemand. |
| 01:34.01 | picard_pwns_kirk | I figure it's easier to ask people why probably know |
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| 01:34.23 | Nyle | off the top of my head no, and I refuse to do your work for you |
| 01:34.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:34.46 | picard_pwns_kirk | wait... |
| 01:34.52 | picard_pwns_kirk | duh, lenny doesn't have it |
| 01:34.56 | picard_pwns_kirk | I'm using it |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | picard_pwns_kirk: just wait for it |
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| 01:35.20 | picard_pwns_kirk | okay |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | picard_pwns_kirk: also .. note the topic |
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| 01:35.43 | speckal | which of the /usr/src/linux* directories should /usr/src/linux point to? |
| 01:35.54 | speckal | etch 64-bit |
| 01:37.07 | Guerin | the one you want it to |
| 01:37.18 | stew | speckal: /usr/src/linux shouldn't exist according the the README in the kernel source |
| 01:37.32 | HappyHobo | thanks stew |
| 01:37.44 | speckal | stew: I have read that many times, but I assumed the default etch installation created the symlink for a reason |
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| 01:37.58 | stew | speckal: it doesn't create such a symlink |
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| 01:38.22 | speckal | something does. I have done many clean installs and I always get a /usr/src/linux symlink |
| 01:38.29 | stew | having said that, and having fixed his wrongly queued 'at' job, stew returns to the restaurant |
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| 01:38.54 | speckal | but if you guys say debian doesn't need it, I'm more than content with not having it :P |
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| 01:40.08 | n00b | i download the debian 4 and upgraded (gnome) (dist -upgrade) and ever since my keyboard mapping as been weird |
| 01:40.17 | n00b | Shift key is not even working |
| 01:40.42 | n00b | sometimes all the keys on the left acting |
| 01:40.44 | n00b | funny |
| 01:41.09 | n00b | my caps lock led is not even working |
| 01:41.25 | Nyle | put your keybaord in the washing machine |
| 01:41.51 | n00b | it is a laptop |
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| 01:42.04 | n00b | compaq nx9005 |
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| 01:42.07 | n00b | old |
| 01:42.31 | Nyle | !keymap |
| 01:42.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
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| 01:43.39 | factor | does anyone know what link i put in etc/apt/sources.list for debian kernel image source for xen |
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| 01:45.15 | abrotman | factor: apt-cache search xen .. they're already there |
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| 01:45.29 | factor | precompiled |
| 01:45.34 | factor | I want to recompile |
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| 01:45.46 | abrotman | apt-get source? |
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| 01:48.17 | factor | I will see if it is in the 2.6.18 kernel source |
| 01:48.29 | factor | just looks generic via apt-cache search though |
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| 01:50.34 | n00b | when i press the down arrow i am getting b |
| 01:50.40 | n00b | down d |
| 01:50.46 | n00b | whats that ? |
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| 01:52.06 | Asmodee` | I think I'm missing a step. I tried compiling a new kernel using my config from my current kernel. I followed this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch however, when I reboot I get the following error: /usr/lib/yaird/exec/run_init: current directory on the same filesystem as the root: Success Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 01:52.38 | factor | Asmodee:how did you make the kernel? |
| 01:52.41 | Asmodee` | I found a site explaining this yaird error and it said to remove and reinstall the kernel package after adding this line to /etc/kernel-img.conf: ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird |
| 01:53.52 | Asmodee` | factor: I followed this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch which said to perform fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 01:54.05 | factor | k |
| 01:54.51 | Asmodee` | Also to note, I did not change any kernel configuration options. I used my old .config as is. I also didn't change any partitions. |
| 01:55.04 | Asmodee` | I saw some threads that talked about problems with yaird when you change partition table, but I did not. |
| 01:57.48 | factor | in your /etc/lilo.conf how do you have initrd pointed to. |
| 01:58.11 | Asmodee` | I'm using grub and it is initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.23.1-custom |
| 01:58.23 | factor | k |
| 01:58.45 | Asmodee` | when I installed the newly compiled kernel package it automagically added the appropriate lines to grub/menu.lst |
| 02:01.45 | factor | I am not seeing the xen code in the deiban kernel ssource |
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| 02:02.12 | factor | just looke like a plain jane kernel source |
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| 02:03.02 | Asmodee` | Was that for me? I'm not using xen |
| 02:03.11 | factor | heh |
| 02:03.35 | factor | no I am trying to commpile the kernel with nividia drivers and xen source but cant find the pre patched version debian uses |
| 02:03.43 | n00b | my kepad led is not showin |
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| 02:14.35 | dansushi[server] | in linux, how does one make a GUI based application show up in the GUi from the Terminal? I remember it was something like "command -- 0:1" |
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| 02:15.11 | dondelelcaro | dansushi[server]: just run it |
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| 02:15.36 | dondelelcaro | dansushi[server]: unless you're in a terminal which doesn't not have DISPLAY set, in which case you DISPLAY=":0" foocmd; or whatever value for DISPLAY is appropriate. |
| 02:15.47 | dansushi[server] | ok, thanks |
| 02:17.37 | dondelelcaro | (most commands also accept --display or -display, but DISPLAY is universal) |
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| 02:22.12 | Tommy | Hello, how can i re-build my grub? A command to get it to search for other distros and add them to menu.lst. |
| 02:24.21 | Wyzard | Tommy: The main challenge there is coming up with a way to reliably detect arbitrary other distros, and figure out what kernel and kernel parameters they use |
| 02:24.50 | karsten | Tommy: What Wyzard said. You'll have to maintain a list of other boot options outside the current Debian install manually. |
| 02:25.22 | Tommy | I tried update-grub. but it didnt detect any other distros |
| 02:25.26 | dalias | if it weren't for initrd mess that wouldn't be needed... |
| 02:25.34 | Wyzard | update-grub only finds kernels in /boot |
| 02:25.39 | Wyzard | It's not meant to find other distros |
| 02:26.00 | Wyzard | For that, it'd have to go searching through other partitions and trying to mount them |
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| 02:28.01 | Tommy | Ah, i think i might just install another distro. Get it to detect all other distros then copy its menu.lst and then uninstall that distro but still use its menu.lst |
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| 02:29.40 | Tommy | Ok, im off to try that. |
| 02:29.47 | Wyzard | Tommy: Or you could just edit menu.lst by hand |
| 02:29.55 | Wyzard | It's not difficult, and I doubt you have a large number of distros on the same computer |
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| 02:30.13 | Wyzard | Also, another distro's menu.lst won't have the special comments needed for update-grub to work |
| 02:30.27 | Tommy | yeah, ive edited it a million times. But for this(mandriva) it just wont load all the way |
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| 02:31.35 | Tommy | I think mandriva just doesnt like to play nice |
| 02:31.39 | Tommy | Thansk. bye |
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| 02:35.28 | abrotman | he's using elive asking how to boot mandrake? |
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| 02:37.57 | pestilence | how do you get hardware detection going from the base system? install hal? |
| 02:38.42 | dondelelcaro | pestilence: it's done automatically using udev. |
| 02:38.53 | dondelelcaro | pestilence: unless you've not installed udev, you shouldn't have to do anything |
| 02:39.01 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 02:39.16 | pestilence | dondelelcaro: for example, my wireless USB card wasn't detected. |
| 02:39.36 | dondelelcaro | pestilence: what type of wireless card is it? [Not all of them are supported] |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | update-usbids might help |
| 02:40.02 | pestilence | dondelelcaro: linksys WUSB54G |
| 02:40.05 | pestilence | v4 |
| 02:40.21 | pestilence | it "just worked" when i plugged it into my ubuntu fiesty system :-/ |
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| 02:41.40 | dondelelcaro | pestilence: then it's most likely either missing the firmware for the rt2500, or the modules. |
| 02:42.05 | dondelelcaro | you should (in theory) be able to m-a a-i rt2500; and have it work |
| 02:42.17 | dondelelcaro | (assuming I've decoded the totally insane linksys model numbering system) |
| 02:42.38 | pestilence | you are right, that's the module ubuntu loaded when it worked |
| 02:42.58 | pestilence | however, i was hoping it would "just work" in debian too. i.e. it would be automatically detected and modprobe'd |
| 02:43.25 | GuHHH | can anyone help me with x11vnc and vncviewer? when i connect to x11vnc the viewer shows me a freezed image. i know that theres a command/configuration that solves it, but i dont remember :( |
| 02:44.15 | dondelelcaro | pestilence: it's not, because that module isn't in the upstream source code |
| 02:44.31 | pestilence | oh.... |
| 02:44.39 | pestilence | so i don't quite know what m-a a-i means |
| 02:45.03 | dalias | meta-a alt-i ? :P |
| 02:45.04 | dondelelcaro | pestilence: that builds it and installs it; since that module isn't in the linux kernel, we don't install it by default, and it's not available unless you ask for it |
| 02:45.10 | dondelelcaro | !m-a |
| 02:45.10 | dpkg | i guess module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 02:46.36 | pestilence | ah |
| 02:46.46 | pestilence | m-a isn't a very descriptive name. |
| 02:46.55 | dondelelcaro | m-a == module-assistant |
| 02:47.13 | dondelelcaro | but typing module-assistant takes orders of magnitude more time |
| 02:47.20 | pestilence | yea, i sympathize |
| 02:48.03 | pestilence | so a-i means auto-install? |
| 02:48.15 | pestilence | yea. |
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| 02:58.33 | dondelelcaro | yeah, if you've only got vfat on the pendrive |
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| 03:00.50 | baggend | Does anyone know if it's possible to create a RAID 1 partition on a drive to be used in software raid, while leaving the remaining space on that drive available for use? (one drive is bigger than the other, so I want to use the left over space for temp storage) |
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| 03:01.32 | dondelelcaro | baggend: yes. |
| 03:01.49 | Asmodee` | Is it possible to not use yaird when compiling a kernel? I'm still new to this whole initrd stuff, I've never had to deal with it before I started using debian. |
| 03:01.51 | dondelelcaro | baggend: software raid works with partitions on the drives, so partition, then set up raid. |
| 03:02.15 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: you don't specify any of it when compiling; the kernel package will use whatever initrd system you have installed when you install the kernel package |
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| 03:02.19 | baggend | dondelelcaro: Awesome, thanks! :) |
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| 03:03.36 | Asmodee` | ok, I'm having a problem which I'm fairly certain is due to yaird... what other options are available aside from yaird? |
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| 03:04.24 | stew | Asmodee`: initramfs-tools |
| 03:04.34 | dondelelcaro | initramfs-tools, yaird, ... there are others |
| 03:04.41 | stew | are there? |
| 03:05.15 | dondelelcaro | well, I thought there were others. They seem not to exist now. |
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| 03:07.02 | Asmodee` | Once I install initramfs-tools do I need to recompile my custom kernel and create the .deb, or I just need to remove and reinstall my .deb? |
| 03:07.42 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: just run mkinitramfs with appropriate options, though reinstalling the .deb should work too |
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| 03:07.54 | stew | Asmodee`: reinstall the deb or dpkg-reconfigure the package |
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| 03:11.11 | Ardi | hi to all .... how can i install flash for debian when i get the package form the adobe flash website they do not work |
| 03:12.02 | abrotman | Ardi: put the .so file in the plugins folder for your browser |
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| 03:12.46 | ironwolf | I am trying to setup a pxeboot server to preseed install Debian SID. I've downloaded the SID netboot image files; however, they're too old for the current version of SID. I can use the Etch netboot image files and point d-i mirror/udeb/suite to the testing tree; however this uses a base-installer version that won't allow me to select a kernel version in preseed (I want to install bigmem by default). How do I select a kernel version in preseed with SID? I |
| 03:13.23 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 03:14.33 | dondelelcaro | ironwolf: just install the base, and before you umount the target, install the bigmem kernel. |
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| 03:18.43 | ironwolf | dondelelcaro: yeah, I had thought of that as a possibility, I had hoped there was a cleaner way of doing it through preseed. The issue seems to appear in base-installer <1.83. Current Etch netboot was 1.7x. I was really hoping of an updated netboot image out there that I missed. Thanks. |
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| 03:19.07 | arash_ | what deb library contains pthreads? |
| 03:19.51 | Ardi | abrotman, how can i find the folder of the plugins ? |
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| 03:20.22 | abrotman | Ardi: for example .. /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ |
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| 03:23.59 | arash_ | anybody know where I can get the deb package with pthreads? |
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| 03:24.34 | dondelelcaro | arash_: libc has most of them, but there is a libpthreads-stubs library |
| 03:24.45 | dondelelcaro | arash_: unless you're looking for bindings for a particular language or something |
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| 03:25.46 | arash_ | glibc? |
| 03:25.51 | arash_ | what's the actual package name? |
| 03:25.54 | arash_ | <-- noob |
| 03:26.22 | ironwolf | arash_: libpthread-stubs0 |
| 03:26.43 | arash_ | hmm |
| 03:26.47 | arash_ | can't find it on etch |
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| 03:27.01 | ironwolf | arash_: try apt-cache search pthreads |
| 03:27.14 | arash_ | kaffe-pthreads - A POSIX threads enabled version of the Kaffe VM |
| 03:27.15 | arash_ | pbzip2 - parallel bzip2 implementation |
| 03:27.17 | arash_ | that's all I get |
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| 03:27.42 | arash_ | am I missing some repositories? |
| 03:28.22 | abrotman | !find libpthread etch |
| 03:28.54 | arash_ | yeah, I can't find it :P |
| 03:29.19 | Asmodee` | is initrd even necessary at all? I've never had problems custom compiling kernels until I encountered this, whatever it is. |
| 03:31.45 | rmaj | debian lacks gdc (gnu D compiler), how to get one? |
| 03:32.39 | Ardi | abrotman, konqueror does not have a folder in usr/lib dang it this is more complicated that i thought |
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| 03:33.42 | abrotman | Ardi: try dropping it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 03:34.54 | Ardi | i do not have mozilla installed at all |
| 03:35.06 | pestilence | hrmm...i was able to get my usb wireless to associate when it was also plugged into the lan. but now that i've rebooted without the lan plugged in (also made some hardware configuration changes), it won't associate |
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| 03:36.11 | pestilence | if i rmmod rt2500usb, the system hangs :-( |
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| 03:38.13 | Zippy2 | why would you rmmod it |
| 03:39.31 | pestilence | Zippy2: i was wondering if reinserting it would change anything |
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| 03:39.49 | pestilence | but is rmmod'ing a module such a crazy thing to do? |
| 03:40.34 | Zippy2 | pestilence: no, but it would help to ifconfig whatever down first |
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| 03:40.42 | Zippy2 | it shouldnt crash but you could try to avoid it |
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| 03:42.10 | pestilence | ok, now i feel stupid. |
| 03:42.19 | pestilence | i opened the little antenna, and now it works |
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| 03:42.38 | pestilence | i kinda figured it wouldn't need the antenna to communicate with the AP which is less than 5 feet away |
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| 03:43.37 | Zippy2 | maybe its off until you open the antenna? |
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| 03:44.43 | pestilence | Zippy2: yea, that's what i am thinking |
| 03:46.36 | pestilence | hmm, now it stopped working again |
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| 03:51.35 | ShadowPhoenix | Is it possible to set up a cron to wget a webpage once a day? |
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| 03:52.22 | amphi | ShadowPhoenix: why not? |
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| 03:53.07 | ShadowPhoenix | like, I read the cron man notes but I am still unsure on what to do |
| 03:53.58 | pestilence | ShadowPhoenix: you can just put the command in the crontab, as if you were running it from the command line... |
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| 03:54.03 | petriborg | this will sound stupid - but could someone tell me how to force firefox to reinstall please? - it is broken saying some mozjs.so file is "missing" even though it isn't |
| 03:54.20 | pestilence | petriborg: you could try a new profile |
| 03:54.28 | ShadowPhoenix | pestilence: like, crontab -e? |
| 03:54.33 | abrotman | petriborg: aptitude reinstall iceweasel |
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| 03:54.41 | pestilence | mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old |
| 03:54.58 | petriborg | pestilence: i can't launch firefox the missing lib is stopping firefox-bin |
| 03:55.01 | pestilence | ShadowPhoenix: yes, and then add a valid entry |
| 03:55.07 | petriborg | abrotman: what is iceweasel? |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | that's firefox in debian |
| 03:55.23 | pestilence | petriborg: right, mv the entire mozilla directory, and it will force a new profile to be created |
| 03:55.23 | petriborg | oh! ok |
| 03:55.42 | petriborg | pestilence - tried that - no new moz dir is made |
| 03:55.46 | ShadowPhoenix | pestilence: can you please give me an example of a valid crontab entry? |
| 03:56.07 | pestilence | there are a bunch in /etc/crontab |
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| 03:56.36 | pestilence | the general format is |
| 03:56.41 | pestilence | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 03:56.55 | pestilence | so, if you want to run at 00:00 every day |
| 03:57.10 | pestilence | 0 0 * * * wget http://mycrazysite.com |
| 03:57.31 | robink | pestilence: Yes. |
| 03:57.47 | ShadowPhoenix | which user? |
| 03:57.48 | pestilence | robink: ? |
| 03:58.01 | ShadowPhoenix | oh, and pestilence: where would it wget it to? |
| 03:58.08 | pestilence | user is only valid if you are root. |
| 03:58.12 | petriborg | abrotman: thanks - didn't work, but it did reinstall so i'm guessing something else must be stopping the libmosjs.so file from being read :( |
| 03:58.14 | pestilence | i think. |
| 03:58.38 | pestilence | ShadowPhoenix: good question :-D. and you probably want to dump it to /dev/null |
| 03:59.13 | ShadowPhoenix | wget weather.com >> ~/prog/weather/file.txt ?? |
| 03:59.44 | pestilence | ShadowPhoenix: don't think it works like that. maybe you should just use curl |
| 03:59.56 | pestilence | curl does work like that. |
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| 04:00.27 | ShadowPhoenix | installing curl |
| 04:00.30 | pestilence | ShadowPhoenix: there is probably some way of telling wget where to put the files. perhaps something like PWD=/some/dir wget ... would do it |
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| 04:01.50 | ShadowPhoenix | how.. could I make it put it in different files every day? |
| 04:02.22 | ShadowPhoenix | like... "mv /file.txt /file | date | .txt ? |
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| 04:02.50 | pestilence | ShadowPhoenix: i'm sure this is covered in the bash guide :-D |
| 04:02.59 | Zippy2 | `date +%G%m%d` ? |
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| 04:03.55 | ShadowPhoenix | oops, nearly did it as root |
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| 04:05.07 | ShadowPhoenix | sweet, Zippy2, pestilence, that works! |
| 04:05.09 | ShadowPhoenix | PWD=~/prog/weather/ wget www.weather.com >> `date +%G%m%d`.txt |
| 04:05.12 | ShadowPhoenix | perfectly! |
| 04:05.42 | ShadowPhoenix | oh, how can i make it run every hour? |
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| 04:07.00 | wols | ShadowPhoenix: man 5 crontab |
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| 04:08.44 | ShadowPhoenix | AWESOME |
| 04:08.46 | ShadowPhoenix | 20 secopnds left |
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| 04:13.50 | ShadowPhoenix | ls |
| 04:13.55 | ShadowPhoenix | oops |
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| 04:18.40 | blow_fish | any good rts game? |
| 04:18.53 | blow_fish | netpanzer blows |
| 04:19.07 | Asmodee` | I was having issues with my custom kernel using mkinitrd.yaird, I am now using mkinitramfs and am getting a completely different error: Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev: /dev/sda1 does not exist. This would imply to me that the SATA or related module is not present, but I am using the config from my current (working) kernel without any changes. |
| 04:19.22 | blow_fish | is there a version of simcity for debian? |
| 04:19.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:19.34 | blow_fish | what is the name of the package? |
| 04:19.40 | abrotman | lincity or something |
| 04:19.45 | abrotman | it's ont exactly the same |
| 04:19.48 | blow_fish | nah that sucka blows |
| 04:20.08 | abrotman | then check happypenguin.org |
| 04:20.32 | niklauz | hey yall slightly OT question - anyone know if the apache public license is compatible with gpl? |
| 04:21.00 | abrotman | niklauz: this isn't a legal advice channel |
| 04:21.22 | abrotman | niklauz: you'd do better asking #gnu .. or checking opensource.org .. or just asking google |
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| 04:21.39 | ShadowPhoenix | how do I tell nano to display line breaks and newline symbols? |
| 04:21.40 | niklauz | abrotman: i know, okay, fair enough |
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| 04:22.33 | xjkx | would you recommend me a software to check cpu/hd/motherboard temperature, not being kde-based and not conky (didnt work here for some reason) ? |
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| 04:22.46 | ShadowPhoenix | lm_sensors? |
| 04:22.52 | blow_fish | my comp is slow for these 3d games |
| 04:22.54 | abrotman | gkrellm or whatever it is |
| 04:23.30 | pestilence | i added a module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and it still loaded! what gives? |
| 04:23.59 | abrotman | which module? |
| 04:24.04 | pestilence | rt2500usb |
| 04:24.07 | abrotman | !tell pestilence about blacklist |
| 04:24.15 | abrotman | !tell pestilence about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 04:24.52 | pestilence | abrotman: thanks |
| 04:25.01 | ShadowPhoenix | !tell ShadowPhoenix about nano |
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| 04:25.28 | blow_fish | i like vi but i am too dumb to use it |
| 04:25.41 | abrotman | blow_fish: do you have a question related to debian? |
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| 04:25.58 | blow_fish | yes, |
| 04:26.21 | blow_fish | what is the different between aptitude and apt-get and dpkg? |
| 04:26.31 | abrotman | they all have man pages |
| 04:26.33 | blow_fish | *difference |
| 04:26.46 | blow_fish | me can't read and confused |
| 04:26.55 | wols | abrotman: that's not a difference |
| 04:26.56 | abrotman | guess you've got all kinds of issues |
| 04:27.11 | wols | blow_fish: then us writing stuff you have to read won't help you either, will it? |
| 04:27.18 | blow_fish | you guessed right |
| 04:27.55 | wols | xjkx: gkrellm |
| 04:28.56 | blow_fish | if i dpkg a package, can i aptitude remove it? |
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| 04:29.11 | wols | blow_fish: yes |
| 04:29.31 | blow_fish | if i aptitude install one, can i dpkg -r it? |
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| 04:29.55 | vook | maybe |
| 04:30.18 | blow_fish | see there is my, um, confusion |
| 04:30.22 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 04:30.24 | vook | blow_fish: if you aptitude install a package, you should aptitude remove it |
| 04:32.32 | wols | blow_fish: dpkg doesn't do dependency resolution. it only installs the package you mentioned no dependeices |
| 04:32.57 | blow_fish | oh ok |
| 04:33.20 | vook | you could dpkg -r the package, but it is possible that while aptitude installing it, you also installed dependancies. Aptitude will remove the dependancies when you remove the package (if they are unused by any other package). |
| 04:33.27 | vook | keeps the system nice and tidy |
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| 04:34.41 | blow_fish | :) thx f for the explaination |
| 04:34.53 | bako1 | Hello, I have a question about setting your port to Full Duplex anyone able to help? |
| 04:35.07 | abrotman | ethtool or mii-tool |
| 04:35.13 | bako1 | yeah ive been trying |
| 04:35.26 | bako1 | mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD |
| 04:35.33 | bako1 | ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full |
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| 04:35.55 | bako1 | when i type mii-tool eth0 it comes up as 100mbit Full |
| 04:36.04 | bako1 | but when i type ethtool eth0 it comes up as Half |
| 04:36.13 | bako1 | twisted pair |
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| 04:37.15 | wols | when you plug in the cable, what does dmesg say? |
| 04:37.21 | bako1 | im only in ssh |
| 04:37.24 | bako1 | so I dont know |
| 04:37.43 | bako1 | i dont have physical access |
| 04:37.45 | wols | there still is a log |
| 04:37.50 | bako1 | somewhat of a newb |
| 04:37.54 | bako1 | new to linux |
| 04:37.59 | wols | then check the logs |
| 04:38.24 | bako1 | I apologize if I come off as a fool but I dont know how or where |
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| 04:38.38 | Naphidia | can someone have a look at this im getting errors |
| 04:38.39 | Naphidia | http://pastebin.ca/767980 |
| 04:39.11 | abrotman | you're running unstable ? |
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| 04:39.32 | Naphidia | maybe... not sure... its a jumpdrive... |
| 04:39.42 | Naphidia | i installed it onto encrypted partitons |
| 04:39.48 | Naphidia | so i suppose |
| 04:40.13 | Naphidia | lazarus:/etc/apt# uname -a |
| 04:40.13 | Naphidia | Linux lazarus 2.6.21.5-smp #2 SMP Tue Jun 19 14:58:11 CDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:40.13 | Naphidia | lazarus:/etc/apt# |
| 04:40.30 | vook | Naphidia: does dpkg-reconfigure x-server-org do anything? |
| 04:40.36 | bako1 | ok I figured out how to read the log but dont udnerstand it god im a newb |
| 04:40.56 | vook | oops : dpkh-reconfigure xserver-org |
| 04:41.00 | vook | ack |
| 04:41.13 | pestilence | what does it mean if my network interface doesn't work on boot, but works if i issue "ifconfig rausb0 up" before "ifup rausb0" ? |
| 04:41.33 | Naphidia | says Package `x-server-org' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 04:41.40 | Naphidia | but apt wont install it |
| 04:41.44 | Naphidia | thats the weird part |
| 04:41.52 | Naphidia | it just gives me the same error |
| 04:42.17 | vook | Naphidia: sorry - made a typo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:42.47 | vook | perhaps give : apt-get -f install a try |
| 04:42.55 | Naphidia | lazarus:/etc/apt# dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:42.56 | Naphidia | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed |
| 04:43.02 | Naphidia | its broke :( |
| 04:43.44 | ShadowPhoenix | Okay, who broke it? |
| 04:44.13 | vook | what are you using (ie , etch, testing, unstable)?? do you have multiple sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 04:44.25 | pestilence | !aliases |
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| 04:45.25 | Rusty1 | Naphidia: what does: aptitude install blackbox say? |
| 04:45.39 | Naphidia | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib |
| 04:45.44 | Naphidia | thats the one i used |
| 04:46.01 | vook | why sid? |
| 04:46.15 | abrotman | it would be dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:46.27 | Naphidia | aptitude didnt like it either |
| 04:46.36 | Naphidia | whats sid ? |
| 04:46.46 | Naphidia | i followed a tutorial i found... |
| 04:46.55 | Naphidia | http://feraga.com/library/howto_install_debian_linux_onto_a_usb_thumb_drive_with_the_root_partition_encrypted_using_uuids_initramfs_tools_dm_crypt |
| 04:47.01 | Naphidia | thats the one i was messing around with |
| 04:47.37 | Naphidia | what sources should i be useing ? |
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| 04:47.47 | vook | sid used to be unstable... |
| 04:47.50 | abrotman | kind of late now .. |
| 04:47.51 | Naphidia | o |
| 04:47.56 | abrotman | vook: sid is *always* unstable |
| 04:47.59 | Naphidia | well.. i guess i start over |
| 04:48.00 | Naphidia | lol |
| 04:48.09 | NiLon | I'm unstable also :) |
| 04:48.12 | abrotman | Naphidia: stick to etch if you can |
| 04:48.21 | Naphidia | is there a bootstrapper for slackware ? |
| 04:48.26 | Naphidia | hmm k |
| 04:48.38 | vook | abrotman: ok, thanks - I thought so, but was checking to make sure... |
| 04:48.46 | abrotman | you weren't checking .. you stated |
| 04:48.51 | abrotman | Naphidia: ask #slackware |
| 04:49.01 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 04:49.01 | dpkg | it has been said that usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 04:49.25 | Naphidia | hmm |
| 04:49.32 | Naphidia | do etch might do it eh |
| 04:49.56 | enouf | there's info in the ig as well for that |
| 04:50.13 | Naphidia | so what other branches are there ? |
| 04:50.21 | abrotman | Naphidia: please use stable |
| 04:50.22 | enouf | !releases |
| 04:50.22 | dpkg | from memory, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 04:50.24 | vook | Naphidia: etch, yes. big difference between etch (stable) and unstable |
| 04:50.30 | enouf | !release |
| 04:50.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 04:50.46 | Naphidia | whats sarge ? |
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| 04:50.53 | abrotman | please don't use sarge |
| 04:50.54 | vook | Naphidia: the old stable |
| 04:50.58 | Naphidia | oh okay |
| 04:51.01 | enouf | follow urls and read |
| 04:52.00 | vook | Naphidia: and avoid testing unless you really need some functionality within *and* until you really know what you are doing. |
| 04:52.28 | vook | I should say testing as in "testing" |
| 04:52.52 | niklauz | anyone know how i can force arts to use the same device it uses with alsa? |
| 04:53.07 | niklauz | i'm a little confused about the relationship between all these moving parts... :-( |
| 04:53.30 | Naphidia | man.. i shoulda made an image of this drive before i started fucking with kde and blackbox |
| 04:54.01 | enouf | heh -- /usr/bin/artsd -F 11 -S 4096 -a alsa -d -r 44100 -b 16 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f |
| 04:54.48 | niklauz | whoa enouf....! |
| 04:54.55 | niklauz | thanks :-) |
| 04:55.22 | enouf | niklauz: tried Kcontrol and set sound to ALSA? try 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' select alsa |
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| 04:55.45 | wols | what if one uses AC97 which can only do 48kHz? |
| 04:55.49 | enouf | niklauz: that's what returns from "ps aux | grep arts" |
| 04:56.47 | enouf | i'm using ac97, or so i thought .. wtf knows at this point though |
| 04:56.55 | niklauz | enouf: awesome, it seems like you really know what you're talking about |
| 04:57.08 | enouf | niklauz: no i don't actually ;-) |
| 04:57.26 | bakon | ok my turn help me setup this box to Full Duplex :) |
| 04:57.29 | bakon | i know I am close |
| 04:57.30 | enouf | niklauz: this is IRC, not risk-free ;-) |
| 04:57.32 | bakon | but doing something wrong |
| 04:57.33 | niklauz | so if i set alsa as the sound system and configure the device in kcontrol, and restart i should be okay |
| 04:57.35 | niklauz | hehe |
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| 04:57.50 | enouf | niklauz: perhaps, worth a shot in my book ;-) |
| 04:57.54 | niklauz | i think i've tried this before, but it does seems like it should work in a logical world |
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| 05:02.12 | niklauz | enouf: the whole sounds situation has always been a little confusing to me, for example, alsa is a common driver interface framework right? it then uses the drivers for the specific hardware, and then your applications or sounds servers work with alsa |
| 05:02.59 | niklauz | so it goes like application -> (sound server) -> alsa -> sound driver (depending on device) ??? like this right? |
| 05:03.00 | abrotman | arts and esd both suck :) |
| 05:03.21 | odla | pulseaudio? |
| 05:03.48 | ShadowPhoenix | blah, why doesn't crontab has a setting for seconds? |
| 05:04.16 | abrotman | that'd be silly |
| 05:04.43 | niklauz | right, thats another things about it, it seems like a lot of people agree that things should be better in this area so you have lots of competing solutions, but it's unclear which is best, and what sort of compromises one makes without being a sound guru... |
| 05:04.59 | jeffwheeler | that brings up something I've been curious about; is there any way to conveniently stream audio from my Mac to Debian machine? I've been having trouble doing it with FlowerSound and esd. |
| 05:05.14 | odla | niklauz: stay tuned to pulseaudio ... should be good |
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| 05:06.13 | niklauz | odla: pulseaudio is a a drop in replacement for esd right? i've looked into it a little bit, does that work on a layer above alsa, or does it replace it entirely? |
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| 05:06.44 | odla | niklauz: above alsa iirc ... but googling it would be your best bet |
| 05:07.43 | niklauz | odla, i've actually played with it a little in the past, but i sorta messed my machine up from using it |
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| 05:08.17 | odla | niklauz: sounds reasonable ;) |
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| 05:08.50 | niklauz | i guess what i'm really wondering is what does it take to get multiplex on a single alsa device? i think this is what dmix is for but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 05:09.14 | niklauz | odla, i think a lot of these solutions just need more glue |
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| 05:17.23 | niklauz | hey enouf, your suggestion pretty much did the trick, i've got kde audio coming to my bluetooth headphones, but the other apps are still going to the laptop speakers |
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| 05:18.18 | niklauz | i think i was getting confused because in kcontrol it asks you about your system settings for sounds, but it really means just for kde ;-) |
| 05:18.35 | niklauz | anyway do you know how i can set a device to the default for a whole system? |
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| 05:32.38 | ganesh | how to delete all cookies in my comp?? |
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| 05:36.47 | dondelelcaro | ganesh: you usually delete them in whatever application you are using that saves cookies. |
| 05:37.22 | dondelelcaro | but often, find ~ -type f -name 'cookies.txt'; will locate them all for you |
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| 05:39.34 | _2 | which would be the best distro for a fellow on dialup, who doesn't care much about eye candy, but needs it to be stable/dependable ? |
| 05:39.56 | _2 | and why ^ ? |
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| 05:40.44 | OminousZ | you should probably ask something like that in ##linux |
| 05:41.09 | OminousZ | since this is a distro-specific channel... you'll get biased answers mostly ;-P |
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| 05:41.20 | dondelelcaro | Debian |
| 05:41.28 | _2 | well i figured i could find both zealots and honest people in almost any channel |
| 05:41.40 | OminousZ | True enough |
| 05:41.57 | OminousZ | I'll be honest, I've only tried Ubuntu and Debian |
| 05:42.05 | _2 | the "and why" is really what my question is about. |
| 05:42.12 | OminousZ | so from my limited experience, I would obviously suggest Ub- ... gotcha. Debian :-P |
| 05:42.31 | _2 | :) ya got me... |
| 05:42.34 | dondelelcaro | !why debian |
| 05:42.34 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 05:42.38 | OminousZ | Mainly due to it having done everything it's supposed to do thus far |
| 05:43.08 | OminousZ | (but I'm sure that's a common happenstance with most linux distro's) |
| 05:43.11 | vook | your cookies will all be stored in /home/username/.somebrowser |
| 05:43.41 | _2 | OminousZ ok. but what kind of bandwidth are we talking ? i'm on dialup so gigabites of updates are not possable |
| 05:44.01 | vook | go apt-get mc (midnight commander) - and just start browsing around in those . folders |
| 05:44.11 | xsdg | _2: my first debian install was on a 14.4k modem |
| 05:44.28 | _2 | xsdg this year ? |
| 05:44.36 | xsdg | _2: no, back in 1999 :o) |
| 05:44.39 | OminousZ | _2, I've never really worried about bandwidth... tough question for me |
| 05:44.40 | dondelelcaro | _2: if you're running stable, you don't need the updates. Buy (or burn) thee DVDs, and you're good. |
| 05:44.44 | _2 | it probably all fit on one cd |
| 05:45.00 | xsdg | _2: regardless, I think the total you'd need to download, if you have to do it that way, is less than a gig |
| 05:45.22 | bakon | anyone able to help me setup my port to be Full Duplex and not half duplex? having a prob with miitool and ethtool |
| 05:45.37 | _2 | xsdg ok. that should be doable in about 4to5 months |
| 05:46.05 | xsdg | _2: ~150 megs or ~53 megs for the installer, ~250 megs for the base install, and then you figure out what you want from there |
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| 05:46.29 | xsdg | _2: regardless, programs are often Big these days, which is unfortunate |
| 05:46.51 | jimmybgood | _2: ubuntu will send you an install disk free |
| 05:46.59 | xsdg | _2: so if you're seriously bandwidth (or time- :o) limited, I'd say that snagging some CDs or DVDs is a good way to go |
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| 05:47.26 | _2 | oh i could actually do that. i have dl'd almost 2g of updates for the ubuntu installation i have and it's killing me to try to stay caught up errr actually get caught up |
| 05:48.16 | _2 | xsdg yeah i'm honestly considering the boxed set. that's why i kinda wanted to "troll" around in here a bit first. |
| 05:48.27 | jimmybgood | netbsd, then - i think that's about as lightweight as you can get |
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| 05:49.14 | _2 | jimmybgood while i am a minimalest of sorts that might be to light for me. |
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| 05:50.01 | Xenguy | !mp3 |
| 05:50.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 05:50.11 | vook | ubuntu schmubuntu - i dunno about ubuntu - it's damn slow |
| 05:50.31 | Xenguy | heh, I think debian is a bit faster |
| 05:50.33 | _2 | oh and can't spell either sorry |
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| 05:51.21 | _2 | slow ? faster ? where? what? |
| 05:52.03 | _2 | kernel bash xorg init(upstart) what are we comparing here slow and faster ? |
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| 05:53.51 | _2 | what? just vecause i typed the word troll everyone treats me like i am one ? did i do something to offend ? |
| 05:54.11 | _2 | s/vecause/because |
| 05:54.18 | vook | _2: dude chill |
| 05:54.48 | _2 | well everyone was talking to me, then no one was.... i'm not used to that. |
| 05:55.33 | jimmybgood | _2: cheapbytes has dvd of etch for $9.99 and updates are modest |
| 05:56.00 | _2 | jimmybgood got URL ? |
| 05:56.12 | jimmybgood | cheapbytes.com |
| 05:56.20 | _2 | k |
| 05:56.30 | vook | modest what? |
| 05:56.40 | vook | why buy? |
| 05:56.44 | jimmybgood | modest bandwidth requirements |
| 05:56.49 | _2 | vook dialup |
| 05:57.00 | dalias | if you have slow or no internet connection, you'd buy update cds... |
| 05:57.07 | vook | oh - I see. |
| 05:57.48 | dalias | grr is there mp3 patent trolling in the bot? |
| 05:57.53 | dalias | !ogg vorbis |
| 05:57.54 | dpkg | somebody said ogg vorbis was an MP3 alternative, see http://www.vorbis.com/. |
| 05:58.01 | dalias | ah okay not too bad... |
| 05:58.31 | dalias | since vorbis uses half the same algorithms as wma1/2 the claims of being more 'patent free' than mp3 are rather bogus |
| 05:58.33 | _2 | dalias if the updates are "modest" i can handle updating. just this ubuntu madness is too much for me to ever get updated. by the time i have dl'd the updates there are updates for the updates |
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| 05:58.43 | dalias | _2, lol |
| 05:59.14 | wols_ | _2: you used the wrong ubuntu then. Ubuntu 6.06 should be for you |
| 05:59.19 | _2 | dalias funny i know but i'm not laughing. it's the truth. |
| 05:59.20 | wols_ | or debian etch (which is newer) |
| 05:59.39 | _2 | wols_ that's what i have. 6.06 LTS |
| 06:00.04 | jimmybgood | openoffice, kde and gnome are the killers |
| 06:00.39 | _2 | i'm like "those guys think i'm made out of cable modems, and satilite uplinks...' |
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| 06:01.57 | jimmybgood | ues abiword for word processor and xfce as desktop and your updates will be much smaller |
| 06:02.36 | _2 | i like abiword and blackbox over xfce but that's just me. |
| 06:03.15 | jimmybgood | _2: actually i use fluxbox, very similar |
| 06:03.47 | _2 | actually i spend most of my time in a console anyway. but i'm not the only one that uses this computer and therein lies the need for kde/gnome and tons of updates |
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| 06:04.59 | jimmybgood | i think novell/suse uses binary patches for updates, so you only have to download the deltas |
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| 06:05.28 | cast | is there any plans for debian to use binary patches? |
| 06:06.24 | _2 | so debian etch devedez for $10 and updates wont wipe out my dialup connection maybe ??? i don't like suse don't ask. |
| 06:06.45 | Maliuta | that's all well and good _if_ you are using the standard distro compile |
| 06:07.18 | _2 | Maliuta @ ? |
| 06:07.30 | jimmybgood | _2: note that I didn't recommend it |
| 06:07.38 | _2 | jimmybgood :) |
| 06:07.56 | Maliuta | binary patches |
| 06:08.15 | _2 | oh yeah im with ya. k. |
| 06:08.15 | Maliuta | I tend to use custom compiles of anything that is mission critical |
| 06:08.32 | Maliuta | more control over what support is in/out |
| 06:08.51 | cast | Maliuta: if you're compiling your own things...then you'd provide your own security updates, you wouldn't want apt to remove and install debians own version of whatever it is |
| 06:08.59 | _2 | right. sounds gentoo'ish in a way |
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| 06:10.26 | _2 | only gentoo i have ever used has two panes that can be, and are by default; set to tree mode :))) |
| 06:11.00 | _2 | the os or the file manager ? |
| 06:11.03 | cast | sadly my attention span wasn't long enough to get firefox and xorg compiled |
| 06:11.17 | _2 | ah the os... |
| 06:11.24 | cast | the livecd was pretty though, booted into a nice console with a nice background |
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| 06:12.38 | _2 | yeah. i was talking about apt-get install gentoo the file manager jokingly of course. |
| 06:13.47 | _2 | would RHES be better/worse or just different for what i have described ? |
| 06:14.25 | cast | i wasn't listen, but naturally i'll have to say worse :D |
| 06:14.33 | jimmybgood | _2: do you mean Red Hat Enterprise Sucks? |
| 06:14.41 | niklauz | !asoundconf |
| 06:14.44 | _2 | i heard that it's not so good as a desktop. but there was little substance to that remark. |
| 06:14.51 | _2 | jimmybgood well close. |
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| 06:18.06 | MrTelephone | does anyone here use poptop pptpd? |
| 06:18.24 | _2 | ok thanks for the tod, and your input. |
| 06:19.08 | _2 | oh before i leave can i ask a help related question ? |
| 06:19.38 | _2 | can i install debian from the dvd onto a partitionless disk ? |
| 06:20.08 | MrTelephone | when connected through pptpd I can't connect to any microsoft site |
| 06:20.23 | cast | one can setup partitions in the installer, if thats what you mean. you could install it to a disk without partitions, hmm, not sure how booting that would work |
| 06:20.35 | _2 | cast no. partitionless. |
| 06:20.54 | MrTelephone | can't connect to microsoft.com, msn.com, anything microsoft :( |
| 06:20.55 | MrTelephone | wierd |
| 06:21.00 | _2 | well lilo can boot it. grub can't |
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| 06:21.48 | _2 | but will the installer allow installation that way, or is it like ubiquity (ubuntu's pos installer) |
| 06:22.32 | cast | MrTelephone: that's a good thing :> |
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| 06:24.49 | Xenguy | MrTelephone: <emperor's voice> good, good!</emperor's voice> |
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| 06:25.29 | jimmybgood | _2: how does the kernel find the root filesystem? |
| 06:25.50 | _2 | jimmybgood the commandline jsut like it does anywhere else |
| 06:25.58 | _2 | root=/dev/hda |
| 06:26.02 | MrTelephone | whats differenet about microsofts webservers |
| 06:26.07 | MrTelephone | it must be a packet size thing |
| 06:26.13 | jimmybgood | _2: like root=/dev/hda ? |
| 06:26.22 | _2 | jimmybgood yep |
| 06:26.47 | jimmybgood | interesting |
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| 06:27.41 | _2 | the kernel is not an issue. initial loading of said kernel is the only issue. grub has problems with that lilo loades an address not a file name thus lilo has no problem booting partitionless hd's |
| 06:29.37 | jimmybgood | gone are the days when you could boot a naked kernel on a floppy |
| 06:30.49 | _2 | jimmybgood yeah. i still have 5.25 & 3.5 floppy disks/drives but a kernel wont fit on them anymore |
| 06:31.39 | jimmybgood | my kernel would fit, but it now requires a bootloader |
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| 06:32.30 | _2 | boot loader ? 512 bites that's not a problem |
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| 06:33.00 | jimmybgood | but it's another layer of complexity |
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| 06:33.45 | jimmybgood | like your partitionless drive |
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| 06:34.02 | jimmybgood | just dd the kernel onto a unformatted floppy |
| 06:34.03 | dondelelcaro | _2: grub can load addresses too |
| 06:34.09 | mohkohn | good afternoon from my "Holiday in Cambodia" |
| 06:34.21 | _2 | oh that brings me to one more question. are debian kernels (the prebuilt kernels) initrd dependant or do they have ide and ext2 support built in ? |
| 06:34.56 | _2 | dondelelcaro but you can't install grub on partitionless hd's or i never figured out a way. |
| 06:35.01 | mohkohn | I am having trouble with my date. I asked for local time and it seems to have given me UTC |
| 06:35.11 | mohkohn | How can I fix? |
| 06:35.12 | dondelelcaro | _2: they are initrd dependent in most cases. |
| 06:35.24 | _2 | yuch. |
| 06:35.26 | Supaplex | _2: initrd by default, so unneeded modules can be not loaded, save space, do things like lvm+raid on / etc. |
| 06:35.29 | dondelelcaro | _2: sure you can; you just specify the offset of any files that you want grub to load |
| 06:35.48 | Supaplex | !tzconfig |
| 06:35.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 06:36.18 | _2 | dondelelcaro but grub has to load it's stage* file from address also thus the problem |
| 06:36.27 | dondelelcaro | _2: so? |
| 06:36.42 | dondelelcaro | (and it can actually stick the stages directly in the MBR) |
| 06:37.43 | dondelelcaro | of course, you really shouldn't ever need to unless you're doing insane things |
| 06:38.05 | mohkohn | It seems it thinks the correct time is UTC so I need to reset. I'll own up this might have been hu-man error. |
| 06:38.10 | _2 | dondelelcaro mbr is 512 bites. |
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| 06:39.29 | dondelelcaro | that should read directly after the MBR, actually. |
| 06:40.25 | _2 | which didn't change a thing. they would still have to be read in by address and grub isn't designed for that. |
| 06:40.29 | cast | _2: out of curiousity what is the point of being partitionless? |
| 06:40.41 | dondelelcaro | _2: sure it is |
| 06:40.57 | dondelelcaro | _2: any file you can specify in grub by filename, you can specify by ofset and length |
| 06:41.17 | _2 | cast well i'm not sure there is one. just don't like to conform to the normal i guess. |
| 06:41.23 | _2 | rebel spirit ? |
| 06:42.00 | dondelelcaro | the only difference is that you have to do so manually, which is generally a pain, fragile, and should almost never be required |
| 06:42.01 | _2 | dondelelcaro you can specify the stage# by name ? |
| 06:42.04 | cast | _2: ahh...wouldn't encrypted / be more rebelous? :D |
| 06:42.30 | _2 | cast yeah if it's partitionless :))) |
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| 06:44.13 | dondelelcaro | in any event, there's no reason why grub wouldn't work on a drive with just a filesystem, assuming you left enough leading space for the mbr |
| 06:45.55 | dondelelcaro | though you might as well just waste the extra few K and make your life easy |
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| 06:50.08 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 06:50.43 | Azar | long awaited but near here: the /ignore feature for bulletin boards |
| 06:51.03 | Azar | cast ask if mach supports it |
| 06:51.54 | Azar | I would guess yes since I heard that hurd goes on the sid way |
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| 06:58.11 | cast | Either set up a random translator as suggested by Massimo or do something like ``sudo cp /bin/bash /dev/random; sudo ln -s random /dev/urandom''. |
| 06:58.20 | cast | ^interesting suggestiong [on hurd mailing list] |
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| 07:00.38 | jimmybgood | does etch ahci driver (intel sata) have ncq support |
| 07:02.16 | dalias | cast, that is a really dumb suggestion |
| 07:03.01 | dalias | leading to insecure 'random' number generation and perhaps also incorrect program behavior |
| 07:03.06 | cast | definitely |
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| 07:03.20 | nephlim | hey guys |
| 07:03.32 | cast | but, still, if you were aware of those issues, interesting :P |
| 07:04.00 | nephlim | netatalk seems to be borken. the mac sees it, sees the share, but the mac hangs on connect |
| 07:04.05 | nephlim | any ideas? |
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| 07:07.11 | cast | to answer my earlier question, don't think mach has sata support |
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| 07:15.30 | mohkohn | ntpdate no servers can be used?? |
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| 07:24.03 | streuner_ | mohkohn: use a whole sentence, our crystal-thingie is in low stat ;-) |
| 07:24.05 | jack21 | Hi all |
| 07:24.25 | jack21 | I just bought a wireless router :D I need some help configuring it |
| 07:24.40 | streuner_ | hardware-router? |
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| 07:25.02 | jack21 | its a Netgear WGR614 G-64 |
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| 07:25.38 | jack21 | the guy just configured it on my dad`s laptop and left.. he didn`t know how to do it on linux and left |
| 07:26.28 | jack21 | hello |
| 07:26.38 | grub | jack21, what do you want to configure? |
| 07:26.44 | jack21 | the router.. |
| 07:26.46 | keta | jack21: man interfaces, man wireless, man iwconfig :) |
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| 07:27.06 | jack21 | how do I set a password ? So others can`t use it without the pass |
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| 07:27.34 | grub | !wpa |
| 07:27.34 | dpkg | methinks wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 07:27.45 | keta | doesn't it have a manual? |
| 07:27.57 | jack21 | no |
| 07:28.08 | streuner_ | oh, the router supports only WEP... |
| 07:28.13 | jack21 | I guess its on the cd.. I`ll check |
| 07:28.27 | jack21 | so.. I can`t use a pass ? |
| 07:30.20 | streuner_ | !wep |
| 07:30.20 | dpkg | wep is probably Wired Equivalent Privacy, the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. As secure as rot13. Ask me about <wpa>. |
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| 07:30.52 | streuner_ | !factinfo wep |
| 07:30.53 | dpkg | wep -- last modified at Mon Aug 20 13:28:11 2007 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@203-214-41-46.dyn.iinet.net.au; it has been requested 14 times, last by streuner_, 33s ago. |
| 07:31.32 | streuner_ | hm, gsimmons make always good factoids, pretty clear like the ubuntu-factoid... |
| 07:33.17 | streuner_ | schorem: log out and back in as user, come back then |
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| 07:37.10 | schorem | sorry |
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| 07:37.39 | streuner_ | there is no need to, you werent able to talk, thats all :-) |
| 07:38.09 | schorem | thnks :) |
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| 07:40.33 | reZo | hello, does anyone know of a guide for kernel module programming under intel / kernel version 2.6? |
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| 07:42.28 | Zoup | Imagine a website which provides session over cookies very strictly ( jsessionid ) , this cookies are not saved to cookies.txt file as they are 'for this session only' cookies , how do you use wget , httrack to mirror this website ? |
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| 07:43.18 | reZo | is this #web or #debian? :S |
| 07:43.32 | utopia | #debian |
| 07:43.40 | Zoup | well , i'm looking for debian application for this issue :) |
| 07:43.54 | Deltantor | This isnt #web? All along i thought /join #debian would bring me to #web |
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| 07:43.55 | reZo | why would a download care for cookies |
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| 07:43.57 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 07:44.00 | lkthomas | anyone using fluxbox ? |
| 07:44.04 | reZo | lol Deltantor |
| 07:44.08 | reZo | lkthomas: of cause |
| 07:44.17 | Zoup | documents that i need requires login :) |
| 07:44.26 | lkthomas | reZo: is there have any small program could shows diff location time ? |
| 07:44.29 | reZo | ic |
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| 07:44.55 | reZo | a universial clock? no idea, i just use google for that |
| 07:44.58 | Deltantor | Zoup, you have tried to use the user:pass@websiteurlhere in httrack, right? |
| 07:45.18 | Zoup | Deltantor: yes , as i told you its java session id not apache digest |
| 07:45.28 | Deltantor | Ahh |
| 07:47.24 | Deltantor | Well, as we have said, #web may be of more use than us |
| 07:47.41 | Zoup | Deltantor: hehe, you are great guys |
| 07:47.52 | Zoup | since no one answering on #web |
| 07:50.31 | Deltantor | ahehehem |
| 07:50.32 | Deltantor | -ChanServ- [#web] "Can anyone help with a JavaScript/etc problem?" Well how are we supposed to know until you tell us -what- the problem is. Moral: present your problem and wait. |
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| 07:51.09 | cast | s/wait./wait in the correct room./ |
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| 07:51.29 | cast | lkthomas: tzwatch? |
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| 07:51.52 | lkthomas | cast: let me take a look :) |
| 07:52.25 | lkthomas | cast: sorry, I want WM dock rather than console :) |
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| 07:59.57 | mohkohn | When I shutdown my Xorg sort of "greys out" and I can't see what is happening during shutdown. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 08:01.11 | Zoup | thanks all :) |
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| 08:06.54 | mohkohn | I will try to be clear. With this laptop when I shutdown gnome the screen just goes blank. |
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| 08:07.13 | grub | mohkohn, what does the log say? |
| 08:07.14 | mohkohn | normally with other computers I could see what was happening during shutdown. |
| 08:07.30 | grub | it shuts down, right? |
| 08:07.55 | mohkohn | grub, how do I check log. Yes shuts down since I installed 2.6.23.1 kernel |
| 08:08.11 | grub | mohkohn, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:11.16 | mohkohn | I also have a log .old would that show my last shutdown? |
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| 08:24.04 | mohkohn | grub http://pastebin.ca/768081 |
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| 08:25.57 | mic_p | Hi. I want to install "checkinstall" on etch, but i didn't found it on repo. On the net I see that somene say to install it from lenny, byt the libc version mismatch (2.6 -> 2.3), so how install it? From sources? |
| 08:26.14 | cast | hmm |
| 08:26.17 | cast | !checkinstall |
| 08:26.18 | dpkg | it has been said that checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 |
| 08:26.22 | cast | ahh, that POS |
| 08:26.31 | cast | may i suggest stow instead :) |
| 08:27.04 | mohkohn | grub .old http://pastebin.ca/768083 |
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| 08:31.51 | mic_p | dpkg: I know what are checkinstall/what do and I already seen the "bug" that remove it from etch, but it's there however the possibility to install it on etch? |
| 08:31.52 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, mic_p |
| 08:32.06 | cast | aww what, i'm not allowed an empty root pass :\ |
| 08:33.27 | `nstuff | why would you want that |
| 08:34.09 | cast | because its a temporary vm, and i like being able to do whatever i want |
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| 08:34.42 | `nstuff | set a pass and you will ;) |
| 08:37.21 | mic_p | dpkg: sorry, but I don't understand you... Wher I lost you? |
| 08:37.53 | keta | cast: if you wipe out the whole password bit from /etc/shadow aren't you able to passwordless login? |
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| 08:38.53 | mic_p | cast: I see stow, but it's not like checkinstall... It's only a trickle for leave the programs where are and make some symlinks! I need do create .deb, so simple add and remove the package and its files! |
| 08:39.17 | cast | mic_p: if you want to make a deb then use dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 08:41.20 | cast | installing/removing stow installed things is pretty trivial, cd /usr/local/stow && stow e17 to install, cd /usr/local/stow && stow -D e17 to uninstall, rm -r /usr/local/stow/e17/ to delete all files pertaining to |
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| 08:45.24 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:45.25 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
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| 08:46.11 | mic_p | cast: just tried db_make and it's so simple! "cd my_source && db_make && debuild binary " and it creates the deb packeges! WOW! :) |
| 08:46.14 | liable | isnt the dfs stuff from that branch in svn? |
| 08:46.19 | liable | oops |
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| 08:57.08 | chance2105 | Is there any kind of jive filter packaged in debian? |
| 08:57.29 | Eulex | !tell chance2105 about search |
| 08:59.14 | chance2105 | I ask because "apt-cache search jive" returns no results. |
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| 09:01.22 | Eulex | chance2105, apt-file might give better results. |
| 09:03.28 | factor | do you have to use grub to boot xen stuff or can lilo boot xen |
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| 09:04.22 | cast | need grub. |
| 09:04.43 | cast | lilo doesn't let you pass a module to a kernel, or something.. |
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| 09:05.32 | Usiu | Hi |
| 09:05.34 | Usiu | I cant install mysql on etch |
| 09:05.36 | Usiu | whats wrong ? |
| 09:05.43 | Usiu | is etch current stable ? |
| 09:05.59 | wAndyw78 | Yes |
| 09:06.01 | cast | i presume "you're doing it wrong" |
| 09:06.08 | cast | why can't you install mysql |
| 09:06.15 | chance2105 | Jive = package "filters". Thanks |
| 09:07.25 | wAndyw78 | Usiu: did you tried "aptitude install mysql-server" ? |
| 09:08.07 | Usiu | wAndyw78, iF mysql-server-5.0 |
| 09:08.29 | Usiu | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 09:08.37 | wAndyw78 | Usiu: "mysql-server" is a meta package for the latest version |
| 09:09.12 | Usiu | ok found what was wrong |
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| 09:10.08 | Usiu | in my.cfn it was set to bind to non existing interface |
| 09:10.08 | Usiu | maybe old config |
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| 09:16.19 | mohkohn | How do I tell my computer my clock is set to local time? |
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| 09:16.24 | Coke | Are there any starting/stopping scripts for Jack that can be put in /etc/init.d and that will start and stop jack properly? |
| 09:16.56 | cast | cool @ httptunnel Creates a bidirectional virtual data stream tunnelled in HTTP requests. The requests can be sent via a HTTP proxy if so desired. |
| 09:17.24 | mohkohn | I know about date --set but it reverts back after each reboot |
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| 09:17.32 | cast | !tzconfig |
| 09:17.32 | dpkg | somebody said setting time was if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 09:18.46 | mohkohn | cat /etc/timezone Asia/Phnom_Penh |
| 09:18.53 | cico | I am having a big problem in dist-upgrade of Debian. The big packages like openoffice-core are not downloading even after several "aptitude dist-upgrade" attempts. None of the mirrors succeed. All other packages are downloading. 900 MB of packages have been downloaded successfully. But the big packages with a total of 100 MB is not downloading. :-( |
| 09:18.56 | mohkohn | dpkg that might be it |
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| 09:19.50 | cast | cico: pastebin your sources.list perhaps |
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| 09:20.28 | mohkohn | I am already utc no |
| 09:20.29 | cico | cast: it has only two lines. I am pasting it here. |
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| 09:20.34 | mohkohn | utc=no |
| 09:20.36 | cast | alright. |
| 09:20.54 | cico | (1) deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free (2) deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 09:21.21 | cico | cast: I have tried replacing ftp.us with ftp.jp, ftp.kr, but nothing works. everytime I have done aptitude update followed by aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 09:22.33 | mohkohn | I will be running Win XP as a virtual machine with Xen. Would using UTC affect that? |
| 09:23.54 | cast | cico: nfi :\ - am still on etch here |
| 09:24.20 | cico | cast: nfi meaning? |
| 09:24.46 | cast | no fucking idea. |
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| 09:25.55 | cast | wth, how does on get real division and not integer division on bc? |
| 09:26.23 | cico | cast: scale=5 |
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| 09:26.31 | cico | cast: or whatever precison you want |
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| 09:26.58 | cast | ahh. |
| 09:27.08 | cast | was confused as multiplication with floats worked fine |
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| 09:28.34 | Eulex | cico, there's not a http proxy in between you and the mirrors? |
| 09:28.43 | Eulex | cico, if so, you could try ftp. |
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| 09:31.04 | cico | Eulex: there is an HTTP proxy between me and the mirror. |
| 09:31.09 | cico | Eulex: is that a problem? |
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| 09:31.27 | lvh | hi |
| 09:31.51 | Eulex | cico, with 99% certainty that's the problem if no http mirror works and all fails downloading. |
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| 09:32.22 | cico | Eulex: but it downloaded the smaller packages. may be the proxy server is timing out and releases the connection when it sees it is taking a long time. |
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| 09:33.20 | Eulex | cico, perhaps, and that's why you should try downloading directly and not through the proxy if possible. |
| 09:33.42 | cico | Eulex: I don't have direct access to web. I am in a corporate network. |
| 09:34.04 | cico | Eulex: I just created an HTTP tunnel to external proxy and it works fine. |
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| 09:52.13 | somian[0] | Halluu folks |
| 09:53.09 | cast | hello. |
| 09:53.30 | somian[0] | pondering* (I'm an NAS, just have trouble typing sometimes ;-) |
| 09:53.51 | cast | it's ontopic enough. |
| 09:53.52 | somian[0] | gah, nEs, LOL |
| 09:54.07 | somian[0] | "native English speaker" before anyone asks ;-) |
| 09:54.08 | cast | nes being? |
| 09:54.12 | cast | ahhh. |
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| 09:55.51 | somian[0] | My Asus mobo supports SATA II (2 connectors on the mainboard, btw) and I've got with two identical SATA disks (80GB 2.5 Hitachi drives, brand new) |
| 09:56.20 | lvh | cast: nintendo entertainment system |
| 09:56.42 | DawnLight | somian[0]: you really need raid? |
| 09:56.44 | lvh | somian[0]: software raid, or considering some kind of controller? |
| 09:59.10 | somian[0] | lvh: No hardware support, no. Just what I can get from using software. My current thinking is that nested RAID 0+1 is the best strategy for ensuring some data redundancy + getting some nice performance. |
| 09:59.15 | jelly-home | somian[0]: md based soft raid1 works. |
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| 09:59.39 | somian[0] | I gather that the two connectors on the mobo mean these are the 2 SATA channels that the mobo provides ... |
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| 09:59.50 | Nazcafan_ | hi |
| 09:59.55 | jelly-home | somian[0]: oh, you can't have 0+1 without at least four disks |
| 10:00.06 | Nazcafan_ | I can not use compiz on my testing box |
| 10:00.17 | Nazcafan_ | I just don't get window decorations |
| 10:00.20 | somian[0] | So in theory i should get the benefit of concurrency on top of all else? |
| 10:00.25 | Nazcafan_ | beryl works fine though |
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| 10:00.48 | JonkoPa | Hello. How do I convert a dmg to a iso? |
| 10:01.28 | somian[0] | DawnLight: I don't mean to disrespect you by ignoring you; but I find that an irrelevent question. |
| 10:01.43 | DawnLight | cool |
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| 10:01.53 | somian[0] | Since when did geeks have to have a reason for checking out some new technology? ;-) |
| 10:02.00 | jelly-home | somian[0]: I don't get the concurrency bit |
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| 10:02.07 | cast | zfs is pretty new :D |
| 10:02.13 | DawnLight | i'd do it with no reason |
| 10:02.20 | jelly-home | Debian doesn't support zfs. |
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| 10:02.44 | jelly-home | yet :-) |
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| 10:03.22 | somian[0] | Here's to geekiness, bro ;-) |
| 10:04.00 | cast | reasons are for the determinant |
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| 10:04.20 | somian[0] | heh heh |
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| 10:04.29 | JonkoPa | I want to convert a dmg to a iso, how do I do that? |
| 10:04.48 | somian[0] | Lordy, what's a dmg again? |
| 10:04.49 | cast | NFI what a dmg file is, try google |
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| 10:07.05 | cast | http://sourceforge.net/projects/dmg2iso holy shit batman! |
| 10:07.18 | cast | now, does it work on linux :\ |
| 10:07.37 | DawnLight | where can i find logs of who logged in when? |
| 10:07.55 | cast | `last` |
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| 10:08.16 | liable | auth.log |
| 10:08.51 | DawnLight | cast: its written in applescript |
| 10:08.57 | somian[0] | I swear I have come across dmg before so i shall have to follow cast's linkage ;-) |
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| 10:09.22 | DawnLight | dmg stands for damage? |
| 10:09.35 | Nyle_ | hmm |
| 10:09.37 | cast | thats a universal mac binary, though :\ |
| 10:09.47 | Nyle_ | didn't that guy from the movie Hackers play robin? |
| 10:10.02 | DawnLight | the UI is cocoa |
| 10:10.09 | Nyle_ | in the later batman movies... that guy sucked as a hacker and evern worse as robin |
| 10:10.23 | Nyle_ | and how come they used macs for hacking |
| 10:10.26 | somian[0] | Ohh, so the front end is whatever and the backend is applescript? ;-/ |
| 10:10.29 | Nyle_ | none of it made sense |
| 10:10.42 | DawnLight | i wonder how macos x looks like... /me goes #macosx |
| 10:10.43 | Nyle_ | DawnLight: brain damage? |
| 10:10.50 | Nyle_ | :D |
| 10:10.54 | somian[0] | True, old macs for hacking == whack-o |
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| 10:11.11 | Nyle_ | I was browsing around using kismet |
| 10:11.24 | cast | DawnLight: ahh, couldn't find the src [http://dmg2iso.cvs.sourceforge.net/dmg2iso/ be emptyy], maybe it was hopefull of me to think it might be crossplatformish c |
| 10:11.25 | DawnLight | a gift fell on my head at an early age |
| 10:11.28 | Nyle_ | hehe, I found a 10mbit down network, no ssid was being broadcast, but im on it now |
| 10:11.50 | Nyle_ | DawnLight: no I mean dmg stands for damange, for your brain if you use it |
| 10:11.53 | dimir | Moin! |
| 10:11.54 | Nyle_ | ehehe nm bad joke |
| 10:12.00 | somian[0] | Nyle: how could you get on without an ssid? Did you guess? |
| 10:12.06 | DawnLight | well since than i'm gifted |
| 10:12.08 | Nyle_ | somian[0]: no need to guess |
| 10:12.16 | Nyle_ | if you know what tools to use to find out |
| 10:12.18 | RichiH | is there a setting for dpkg to be more verbose about what postinst scripts try to do? |
| 10:12.20 | somian[0] | splainy for a weenie ;-) |
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| 10:12.29 | Nyle_ | come again? |
| 10:12.41 | RichiH | xserver-xorg's fails for me, but i can't see anything relevant in the bug tracker |
| 10:12.48 | DawnLight | the gift made me gifted |
| 10:12.49 | somian[0] | Explain to me, a wireless weenie, how you did it ;-) |
| 10:12.50 | nkuttler | RichiH: erm, edit the script? |
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| 10:13.02 | Nyle_ | somian[0]: I read the Kismet documentation |
| 10:13.10 | somian[0] | Ahh, ok |
| 10:13.20 | RichiH | nkuttler: that is number two on my list, yes :) |
| 10:13.28 | Nyle_ | I also use DDWRT on a WRT54G v6 |
| 10:13.38 | Nyle_ | the neutered version with half the system ram |
| 10:13.50 | Nyle_ | ddwrt micro without any features |
| 10:13.51 | somian[0] | I'll know where to look when and if I need to hack into a ap that's not b'casting its ssid now ;-) |
| 10:14.49 | Nyle_ | I don't condone hacking, I do however encourage testing on your own personal AP |
| 10:15.20 | somian[0] | I don't condone theft of other people's resources or data either, just for the record :-) |
| 10:15.23 | Nyle_ | if a signal is out there and not protected by wep, i dont' consider it hacking. if you try to crack a wep key, then that is bad |
| 10:15.29 | DawnLight | well it becomes mine after an hour or so |
| 10:15.31 | somian[0] | Agreed. |
| 10:16.10 | Nyle_ | its like any other signal. even legally, people are supposed to protect their own ap |
| 10:16.24 | Nyle_ | if they don't and someone uses it, well then thats bad for them |
| 10:16.35 | somian[0] | Quite right imo. |
| 10:17.10 | somian[0] | After all some of it is already a shared / public resource that they are using ... the airwaves |
| 10:17.31 | DawnLight | nah only joking. i'm thankful for this technology. my neighboor saves me a lot of money by not encrypting his AP. i'd thank him if i knew which neighboor it was |
| 10:17.40 | Nyle_ | lol |
| 10:17.42 | Nyle_ | same here |
| 10:17.50 | Nyle_ | I don't pay for internet, my roommate does |
| 10:17.53 | somian[0] | I'd consider it a bit dodgy to use their ap *and* do massive continuous b/w sucking as well tho ... that's my take, personally. |
| 10:18.00 | Nyle_ | but he has the lowest speeed cheapest dsl |
| 10:18.19 | Nyle_ | which is why im using kismet to look for networks, soon as i find an open one, I'm on bandwidthtest.com |
| 10:18.31 | Nyle_ | hehe |
| 10:18.40 | DawnLight | get a big antenna |
| 10:18.46 | somian[0] | It's like accidental marxism isn't it |
| 10:18.58 | Nyle_ | how so? |
| 10:19.00 | DawnLight | there are some good antennas |
| 10:19.04 | somian[0] | "From each according to his gifts, to each according to his needs". |
| 10:19.14 | somian[0] | Or something close to that. |
| 10:19.38 | Nyle_ | I don't see how this relates to materialism |
| 10:19.55 | lvh | i don't see how this relates to debian |
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| 10:20.17 | somian[0] | Eh? People pay for the link to the Internet that you are exploiting when you connect to their ap. |
| 10:20.18 | Nyle_ | I don't see any relation to debian either |
| 10:20.24 | xingu | alright, who put a bung in sid? |
| 10:20.41 | somian[0] | Therefor, material resources are quite the point. |
| 10:20.42 | Nyle_ | xingu: umm.. didn't sid had a bunghole |
| 10:20.45 | xingu | fess up, it was one of you lot, I'm sure |
| 10:20.46 | Nyle_ | +know |
| 10:21.03 | cast | wth, anyone know why duplicity --encrypt-key 0x.... src dst would ask me for a password still? |
| 10:21.41 | Nyle_ | I thought only beer barrels has bungholes |
| 10:21.53 | somian[0] | Is saying "marxism" really that awful now? Is that the level of ignorance that we've descended to? |
| 10:21.53 | Nyle_ | had* |
| 10:22.34 | Nyle_ | somian[0]: no it isn't, however it is not on topic for #debian |
| 10:22.36 | lvh | somian[0]: nah, I still just don't see how all of this relates to debian |
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| 10:24.09 | lvh | new bug, the ttf-tamil-fonts package looks for porn on my pc :-( |
| 10:24.09 | lvh | opendir: No such file or directory |
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| 10:30.53 | xingu | cast: thanks for that, I've been looking on and off for a tool just like that (duplicity) for a while |
| 10:31.00 | xingu | cast: obviously not too hard though ;) |
| 10:31.49 | chemist | is there an app or util that will tell me what type of RAM I have nstalled? |
| 10:32.04 | wols_ | possibly dmidecode |
| 10:32.08 | xingu | chemist: on most modern hardware, dmidecode |
| 10:32.12 | wols_ | what cpu and what chipset do you have? |
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| 10:32.39 | chemist | p4 intel chipset |
| 10:32.46 | chemist | i think |
| 10:32.48 | wols_ | a bit more specifc |
| 10:32.59 | chemist | hold on |
| 10:33.07 | wols_ | P4s used 4 different RAM types over their lifetime |
| 10:33.18 | wols_ | not to mention speed grades |
| 10:34.00 | cast | would that be sdr, rambus, ddr and? |
| 10:34.10 | wols_ | ddr2 |
| 10:34.13 | cast | ahh. |
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| 10:34.54 | chemist | intel 915 g chipset |
| 10:35.44 | wols_ | DDR2. usually PC2-533 |
| 10:36.14 | chemist | the manufacturer website says its ddr sdram |
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| 10:36.39 | chemist | but dont menion speed |
| 10:36.55 | tdn | How do I open Photoshop .psd files? |
| 10:39.25 | wols_ | interesting. i915 can use both DDR and DDR2 |
| 10:39.32 | cast | the gimp thinks it can open psd |
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| 10:42.49 | dante_2core | chemist, maybe lshw, hardinfo, hwlist, one of those? |
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| 10:45.13 | chemist | it's ok, dmidecode told me its ddr400 |
| 10:45.15 | chemist | thank |
| 10:45.18 | chemist | s |
| 10:45.30 | dante_2core | np |
| 10:49.01 | Qantourisc | i euu ... delteded sources.list ... |
| 10:49.08 | Qantourisc | anyone know where i can get the ogs ? |
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| 10:49.49 | cast | you mean you want a new sources.list? |
| 10:50.00 | Qantourisc | euuu yes |
| 10:50.36 | cast | then write a new one, sources.list has an example |
| 10:50.47 | Qantourisc | what about the cdroms ? |
| 10:50.54 | Qantourisc | i mean the mirrors ... ok .. |
| 10:51.07 | cast | http://rafb.net/p/pG96Ld59.txt that's mine, :> |
| 10:51.27 | Qantourisc | that's a differnt cdromset |
| 10:51.58 | cast | i think apt-cdrom will add cdroms to your sources |
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| 10:52.45 | Highshadow | hi i am running lenny anyone know some nice themes , icons |
| 10:53.12 | [Bart] | Highshadow: if you want themes, try emerald theme manager |
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| 10:53.51 | cast | Qantourisc: sorry, missed a word, man sources.list has an example :) |
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| 10:55.06 | ice63 | Highshadow: google is your frend... |
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| 10:56.09 | Highshadow | i do have a question about something .. lenny has apt-get autoremove does that work like apt-get remove --purge or aptitude where it deletes everything inlcuding conf files? |
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| 10:56.33 | DawnLight | Highshadow: just use aptitude |
| 10:57.06 | Highshadow | DawnLight, yeah i am using that i thought that maybe autoremove did the same job and made but easier |
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| 10:57.25 | ciSLOT | is anybody can tell me tool which provide developping own debian based linux distr? |
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| 10:57.36 | DawnLight | Highshadow: aptitude should be used and not apt-get |
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| 10:57.55 | [Bart] | DawnLight: why do you say that apt-get should not be used? |
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| 10:58.56 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 10:58.57 | DawnLight | ciSLOT: you want to start a new distro? consider cooperation with debian or another existing distro |
| 10:58.57 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 10:59.06 | DawnLight | [Bart]: ^ |
| 10:59.40 | ciSLOT | DawnLight: i want to make my own distro only for me |
| 10:59.43 | DawnLight | i'd say it is preffered not only from console |
| 10:59.49 | [Bart] | DawnLight: : yes, but still :) Im always using apt-get;.and I really don't see a reason to switch to aptitude |
| 11:00.09 | DawnLight | ciSLOT: why would you? |
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| 11:00.29 | DawnLight | [Bart]: well, did you try typing aptitude with no parameters? |
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| 11:01.34 | [Bart] | DawnLight: no, I even don't have it installed :) |
| 11:01.53 | ciSLOT | DawnLight: i don't want to configure debian every time i install it |
| 11:01.55 | [Bart] | DawnLight: I remember that I used this once, a year ago, and that broke my installation |
| 11:02.30 | dutchfish | [Bart], dont mix apt-get and aptitude |
| 11:02.36 | DawnLight | ciSLOT: use the debian installer preseed line |
| 11:02.47 | cast | ciSLOT: could install debian, then tarball it up |
| 11:02.52 | [Bart] | dutchfish: that's why I don't use it anymore :) |
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| 11:03.02 | DawnLight | [Bart]: aptitude's UI is powerful and easy. quite fun also |
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| 11:03.29 | DawnLight | !preseed |
| 11:03.29 | dpkg | [preseed] a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 11:03.30 | ciSLOT | DawnLight: and i want use some specific programms on my debian |
| 11:03.53 | ciSLOT | i just want my own iso |
| 11:04.06 | elenril | is there a program for comparing directory structures? |
| 11:04.24 | ciSLOT | elenril: diff |
| 11:04.29 | elenril | just filenames and sizes, NOT contents (16 GB over network is too much) |
| 11:04.41 | DawnLight | ciSLOT: you can have it, but it won't be another distro, it will be a customized debian install. at least thats how i'd do it |
| 11:04.54 | ciSLOT | yes |
| 11:05.03 | cast | could you do a recursive ls and diff that :o |
| 11:05.16 | DawnLight | ciSLOT: i'd see what preseed has to offer |
| 11:05.47 | ciSLOT | DawnLight: there are no tools to help me do it automatticaly? |
| 11:05.50 | elenril | cast, that's a good idea :) |
| 11:06.15 | dutchfish | cast, yup |
| 11:06.18 | ciSLOT | elenril: it wiil be not so easy |
| 11:06.51 | DawnLight | ciSLOT: never looked into that, sorry. i'd see what the debian installer has to offer in terms of scripting the installation process |
| 11:07.22 | ciSLOT | DawnLight: ok, thnx |
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| 11:09.13 | wols_ | !fai |
| 11:09.13 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 11:09.27 | elenril | ciSLOT, why not, it seems to work. |
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| 11:09.57 | humbolt | I just did a really stupid thing! I did execute: lvremove vgNAME lvNAME, which remove all lv on that vg. |
| 11:10.05 | humbolt | How can I recover this? |
| 11:10.10 | humbolt | I found some config files in /etc/lvm/backup and /etc/lvm/archives |
| 11:10.22 | humbolt | But what to do with it now? |
| 11:10.37 | tremby | i'm using a very old laptop and debian lenny. display driver is neomagic. mplayer displays mpeg files properly but i get just a blue screen for xvid files. mplayer thinks it's playing -- the numbers scroll along in the terminal window. any idea what's wrong? |
| 11:11.02 | cico | I was doing dist-upgrade. aptitude was downloading: http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main openoffice.org-core 2.2.1-10 [35.4MB], after 28 MB was downloaded, I lost connection, aptitude has left that package as "connection timed out" and started downloading the remaining packages. Now how can I make aptitude download the remaining part *only* of that package? |
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| 11:11.44 | DawnLight | cico: ahm... press q and start over |
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| 11:12.26 | cico | DawnLight: I am doing "aptitude dist-upgrade" from command line, would it start downloading the complete 35 MB or only the last 7 MB which it failed to download? |
| 11:12.32 | Trewas | tremby: I guess you are using xvideo output (-vo xv)? |
| 11:13.01 | tremby | Trewas: whatever's default -- i could try that and an alternative though -- what would the alternative be? |
| 11:13.05 | dutchfish | cico, doesnt it depend if you have http or ftp repo? |
| 11:13.09 | Eulex | cico, only what it failed to download. |
| 11:13.34 | cico | I am using http repo. |
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| 11:13.45 | Trewas | tremby: I'm not sure of the default, but xv is the best one if it works, your videos most likely will work ok with -vo x11 but that is slow (not hardware accelerated) |
| 11:13.59 | cico | Eulex: so where is the partially downloaded .deb file stored? |
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| 11:14.19 | tremby | ok Trewas i'll give them both a go, see what happens. |
| 11:14.25 | Eulex | cico, /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ |
| 11:14.39 | cico | Eulex: thans |
| 11:14.39 | SpeCon | hello all, i want to install irssi on my server but i get this error configure: error: GLIB is required to build irssi. |
| 11:14.41 | cico | thanks* |
| 11:14.51 | SpeCon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.57 | xep_ | hello |
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| 11:15.15 | xep_ | with gnome, i use "Navigating Remote Servers" to connect |
| 11:15.19 | xep_ | a distant ftp |
| 11:15.23 | SpeCon | and also this |
| 11:15.24 | SpeCon | *** A new enough version of pkg-config was not found. |
| 11:15.26 | SpeCon | :s |
| 11:15.35 | xep_ | but does it provide a mounting point ? |
| 11:15.43 | xep_ | so that i can access to this server also from terminal ? |
| 11:15.45 | Trewas | tremby: xv might also have some limits how large video resolution it supports, or just have bugs in older/less well maintained drivers (or hardware) |
| 11:15.52 | humbolt | I need an LVM expert! |
| 11:16.31 | wols_ | !info libglib |
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| 11:20.56 | Highshadow | still thinking that maybe for new users aptitude would be hard to use instead of apt-get |
| 11:22.25 | liable | they can use it exactly the same on the command line |
| 11:22.29 | cast | i doubt, instead of knowing apt-get, apt-cache and dselect, they can get by with just a single command - aptitude |
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| 11:23.03 | Highshadow | yeah now thats one thing that killed my system along time ago "deslect " |
| 11:23.41 | xingu | "it wasn't the car that did for him, it was the loose nut behind the wheel" |
| 11:24.02 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 11:24.20 | cast | i ran tasksel on my already setup desktop...that wasn't cool, somehow half the system got uninstalled |
| 11:24.22 | Highshadow | lol yeah xingu i am sure you would know ;) |
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| 11:25.35 | humbolt | I need help with LVM! I accidently deleted not just one but all of my LVs! |
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| 11:26.00 | Highshadow | i suppose its whatever works for you cast |
| 11:27.04 | Highshadow | its pretty tough to break the system ..... here is what i mean ... cat /var/log/installer/lsb-release DISTRIB_ID=Debian DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer" DISTRIB_RELEASE="3.1 (installer build 20060306)" |
| 11:27.21 | Highshadow | this is whta i have now # lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) Release: unstable Codename: sid |
| 11:27.40 | xingu | ... for anyone not following along, 2.6.24rc has an SD/MMC data eating bug; http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=119447914401193&w=2 |
| 11:28.43 | dutchfish | xingu, would this also involve my datacard access from a HP printer through usb? |
| 11:29.12 | Highshadow | thanks for the link and the headups xingu |
| 11:29.25 | tremby | Trewas: x11 works for xvid files but very slowly. very strange -- why should xv work for mpeg but not xvid? |
| 11:29.27 | xingu | dutchfish: probably not, we're specifically talking bit banging mmc interfaces; the one like my notebook's, that is a usb block device, are fine. |
| 11:29.44 | dutchfish | xingu, oki |
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| 11:30.42 | Trewas | tremby: are the mpegs you tested with smaller (in resolution)? |
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| 11:31.01 | tremby | Trewas: no, about the same |
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| 11:33.03 | Trewas | tremby: hrm, xvideo problems with higher resolutions would have been my first guess... xvinfo shows what the card cand do with xvideo, maybe it shows something relevant |
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| 11:34.13 | k^^a | hi |
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| 11:35.45 | tremby | Trewas: nothing catches my eye, but then i have no idea what it all means! http://perigee.tremby.net/xvinfo.txt |
| 11:35.46 | k^^a | how build package *.deb with NVIDIA kernel module for 2.6.22 Linux kernel ? | I have GF4 MX 440 |
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| 11:36.42 | vook | k^^a - do you want to create a deb package?? |
| 11:37.10 | Qantourisc | where can i find a list of all settings i must perform to keep running stable ? |
| 11:37.33 | Qantourisc | one of them is change /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf: |
| 11:38.05 | k^^a | vook: yes |
| 11:38.36 | k^^a | vook: I have Debian SID |
| 11:38.39 | nkuttler | Qantourisc: ? |
| 11:39.03 | Qantourisc | nkuttler: when adding unstable trees he wants to update to unstable ... doing so is insane ... |
| 11:39.20 | Qantourisc | nkuttler: therefor it would be nice if you can only force to install unstables |
| 11:39.40 | Qantourisc | but therefor you must tell the package manager to prefer stable unless otherwise requested |
| 11:39.55 | nkuttler | Qantourisc: well mixing stable with unstable doesn't really work well. why don't you use backports? |
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| 11:40.39 | nkuttler | Qantourisc: ast apt about backports and simple sid backport |
| 11:40.48 | nkuttler | s/ast/ask/ |
| 11:40.54 | Qantourisc | no backports is not the entire goal |
| 11:41.05 | Qantourisc | the main goal is that he shouldn't randomly install unstable |
| 11:41.32 | nkuttler | Qantourisc: you mean apt? just don't put unstable sources in your sources.list |
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| 11:43.16 | k^^a | vook: Know you any repo with NVIDIA modules for new kernel ? |
| 11:43.44 | Qantourisc | k^^a: that'd be nice to have ... |
| 11:43.53 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:43.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 11:46.36 | Qantourisc | still don't understnad some of the twists that i has ... |
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| 11:48.54 | Veeven | How do I select a keyboard layout from command line? (Keyboard Preferences is crashing in lenny.) |
| 11:49.47 | k^^a | xingu: mc |
| 11:49.56 | k^^a | xingu: sorry |
| 11:50.29 | dutchfish | is there a debian package or way to produce seeded repreducable chunks of urandom data? i mean with the correct seed i want to generate exactly the same random output (like a hash does) |
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| 11:51.03 | jelly-home | or any pseudorandom generator |
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| 11:51.40 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes |
| 11:53.02 | Greek-Boy | will the command "ifdown eth0 | ifup eth0" bring my interface up again or will I end up being locked out? |
| 11:53.07 | Worf | hello there, ... oh ... just found the answer to my question in the topic ... |
| 11:53.07 | dutchfish | i need this to speed up production of pseudo random data i need chunks of 2 - 4 GB |
| 11:54.13 | Worf | Greek-Boy: || is logical "or" - i would use ; which doesn't care about the return value |
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| 11:54.59 | Greek-Boy | thanks worf |
| 11:55.07 | Worf | Greek-Boy: and when doing remote i would do it in a screen - and also do some "sleep 3m; shutdown -r now" or so in case you really lock yourself out |
| 11:55.24 | dutchfish | jelly-home, any suggestion? |
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| 11:55.44 | jelly-home | dutchfish: nope, sorry |
| 11:55.51 | Worf | Greek-Boy: that boy the box reboots if you locked yourself out, and if not you just cancel the reboot |
| 11:56.18 | Greek-Boy | make sense, thanks a lot |
| 11:56.41 | Worf | actually - you can give the time as parameter for shutdown directly ... makes more sense |
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| 11:57.35 | xingu | dutchfish: http://www.math.sci.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~m-mat/MT/SFMT/ |
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| 11:58.09 | Trewas | tremby: nothing catches my eye either, at least the resolution is not the problem (supports up to 1024x1024)... compared to a matrox card (which is probably about as old) the main difference is that your card suppors only a few visualids but I don't know if they matter that much |
| 11:58.15 | dutchfish | xingu, very cool, [bows politely] |
| 11:59.01 | xingu | dutchfish: I'd love to see a cuda variant of that if you're taking requests :) |
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| 12:00.52 | dutchfish | xingu, i delve into it, but i curently working on a fast breeder algoritm for genetic algoritms |
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| 12:18.11 | mne | hi. AFAIK limit.conf only works for processes that go through PAM. However, if a process is SUID/SGID the limits in limits.conf do not seem to apply. what can i do to enforce limits on such processes ? |
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| 12:19.30 | Qantourisc | apptitude thinks a package is broken, even thoug hall the deps are mathced ... |
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| 12:20.10 | picard_pwns_kirk | Qantourisc, it might be because it installed incorrectly |
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| 12:20.24 | Qantourisc | that is possible ? |
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| 12:21.39 | Qantourisc | as suggested |
| 12:22.49 | Bru___ | hi, i am struggling with vim: on insert mode my arrow keys become letters, while in view mode they do work as expected. what setting do i need to change to get them work as cursor moves in insert mode ? |
| 12:23.14 | Qantourisc | Bru___: is this over ssh or direct connection ? |
| 12:23.18 | Bru___ | ssh |
| 12:23.39 | humbolt | Do you guys know a relatively modern distro which runs fast on small footprint machines? |
| 12:23.39 | Qantourisc | Bru___: never had to change to fix it yet ... but has something to do with terminal settins |
| 12:24.04 | Qantourisc | Bru___: vim doesn't recoonize the input you give hims as "left arrow" |
| 12:24.25 | Qantourisc | Bru___: if you find how to fix it, i'd be happy :) |
| 12:24.29 | Bru___ | hm i am wondering because this is in insert mode only |
| 12:24.51 | Qantourisc | Bru___: if you ask in #vim : "left right is not supported" or something :) |
| 12:25.04 | Bru___ | :-( |
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| 12:25.26 | Bru___ | which editor was included in sarge? it worked there |
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| 12:25.37 | Qantourisc | Bru___: nano? vi ? pico ? |
| 12:25.40 | neotic | vi |
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| 12:25.43 | Worf | humbolt: doesn't your favourite distro do? just use other apps and you're fine ... ( or how small is small? ) |
| 12:26.10 | Bru___ | ok, thanks, then my solution will be - remove vim, install nano :-) |
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| 12:26.28 | JonkoPa | could someone tell me something about fonts, why is there somthing like monospace or times new roman, do they have any furhter purpose other then different looks? |
| 12:26.37 | Qantourisc | Bru___: no clue if it fixable or not |
| 12:27.07 | Qantourisc | Bru___: but i hate "terminal types" they ought to send the bloody keyboard input ... |
| 12:27.19 | Qantourisc | ok this is nice: |
| 12:27.27 | Qantourisc | i install openoffice with aptitude |
| 12:27.33 | ice63 | hello..can i get some help on debian's bootsplash i installed it with aptitude ...how can i get it to work ? |
| 12:27.36 | Bru___ | Qantourisc: thanks |
| 12:27.44 | Qantourisc | Bru___: i didn't solve your issue :) |
| 12:27.58 | Qantourisc | must be fixable though ... somehow ... |
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| 12:28.59 | Bru___ | Qantourisc: yeah should be, however i already was searching the web a while ... there are enough better editors around |
| 12:29.13 | Qantourisc | Bru___: there are ? what ones ? |
| 12:29.24 | Qantourisc | i'm always looking for a better editor :) |
| 12:29.43 | JonkoPa | all software sucks guys! all of them! :@- |
| 12:29.47 | Bru___ | Qantourisc: pspad, ultraedit |
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| 12:30.30 | Qantourisc | Bru___: they are both graphical ... |
| 12:30.46 | Worf | ice63: i don't know, but i guess it's one of what "aptitude search bootsplash" lists ... |
| 12:31.31 | Worf | ... bootsplash-theme-debian sounds promising ... |
| 12:31.37 | Bru___ | Qantourisc: yes, but i am usually using debian on servers only with very little need to modify files. they are all prepared on my windows box |
| 12:32.06 | Qantourisc | i see |
| 12:32.13 | Qantourisc | i usually just log in :) |
| 12:33.28 | ice63 | Worf: ok think you |
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| 12:34.38 | tamiya | Hey guys |
| 12:34.50 | Qantourisc | !stable but new |
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| 12:35.01 | Aviel14 | hey |
| 12:35.02 | Qantourisc | !combining stable and unstable |
| 12:35.18 | Qantourisc | i'm out of ideas ... |
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| 12:35.37 | Aviel14 | i need helpo |
| 12:35.39 | Aviel14 | i cant export LD_PRELOAD |
| 12:35.44 | Aviel14 | its write ignored |
| 12:36.04 | tamiya | I have a shortcut to Konsole. I'd like to configure it so that, upon starting the shortcut (Konsole), a command is automatically run/executed. |
| 12:36.07 | tamiya | Is this possible |
| 12:36.10 | Maulkin | !tell Qantourisc about backports |
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| 12:36.13 | efaistos_ | hi |
| 12:36.15 | Maulkin | !tell Qantourisc about pinning |
| 12:36.41 | efaistos_ | a litlle question ... why mldonkey configuration is in /var/lib/mldonkey ? |
| 12:38.45 | Maulkin | efaistos_: It possibly shouldn't be, file a bug |
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| 12:39.55 | tamiya | anyone? |
| 12:40.53 | Worf | tamiya: i think to do that you create a sesseion and somehow tell konsole to start with that session ... |
| 12:40.53 | niwt | tamiya: konsole -e command |
| 12:40.55 | efaistos_ | Maulkin: i think it should be in ~/.mldonkey maybe or /etc ? what do you think ? |
| 12:41.36 | tamiya | niwt: you're a genius!!!! It works!!!! |
| 12:41.49 | niwt | yeah, I tested it first |
| 12:42.13 | tamiya | Thanks, mate :) |
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| 12:43.17 | Maulkin | efaistos_: user files should be in a .file, global config in /etc |
| 12:43.47 | Maulkin | tamiya: try setting the shortcut to run $whatever command in a terminal. |
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| 12:43.49 | efaistos_ | Maulkin: yeah I know ... just still sleepy ;) |
| 12:44.04 | efaistos_ | and my english is not the best when i'm like this ;) |
| 12:44.08 | Maulkin | Or, yeah, -e |
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| 12:44.11 | Qantourisc | How do i reconnize an unstable from a stable pacakge ? |
| 12:44.14 | tamiya | works a treat |
| 12:44.21 | Qantourisc | (in apptitude |
| 12:44.38 | Maulkin | Qantourisc: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 12:44.38 | Worf | hehe - yeah, the difference between a genius and the rest is the knowledge of --help and man |
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| 12:45.15 | Qantourisc | lenny=unstable or stable ? |
| 12:45.21 | Qantourisc | fairly stable ? |
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| 12:45.26 | niwt | Worf: in addition to that, google raises my IQ by about 20 points |
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| 12:45.28 | efaistos_ | Qantourisc: testing |
| 12:45.33 | efaistos_ | lenny=testing |
| 12:45.42 | Worf | niwt: godlike ... :) |
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| 12:46.46 | Qantourisc | aa i pinend wrong :) |
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| 12:48.11 | niwt | I had weird stuff happen when I got pidgin from backports - some gnome stuff decided it had to uninstall |
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| 12:49.47 | abrotman | niwt: such as? |
| 12:50.07 | Aviel14 | i need help |
| 12:50.10 | Aviel14 | i cant |
| 12:50.17 | Aviel14 | i cant export LD_PRELOAD |
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| 12:50.49 | niwt | abrotman: gnome-system-tools |
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| 12:50.57 | niwt | gedit |
| 12:51.07 | abrotman | niwt: and if you try to reinstall them? |
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| 12:51.32 | niwt | abrotman: yeah, they reinstalled fine, but it took a little while to find out what I needed to get my gui network manager back |
| 12:51.37 | BadRobot | hi there |
| 12:51.42 | aasasas | i have this error: http://rafb.net/p/cxertH41.html anyone know as fix my error? |
| 12:51.57 | BadRobot | I need some help regarding the Debian KDE4 Live-cd |
| 12:52.10 | abrotman | BadRobot: ask the people that made it |
| 12:52.27 | abrotman | aasasas: did you ask #samba ? |
| 12:52.36 | BadRobot | i was trying to boot it up,but on the KDM screen ,it asks me for the login and password,so does anyone knows? |
| 12:53.04 | BadRobot | i don't know who did |
| 12:53.14 | BadRobot | Alexnader |
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| 12:54.14 | abrotman | BadRobot: where did you download it from? |
| 12:54.19 | moclobemide | how do i mount my cdrom drive when theres no gui |
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| 12:54.35 | niwt | BadRobot: login: user password: live |
| 12:55.17 | aasasas | yes abrotman and i haven't got any reply |
| 12:55.17 | abrotman | moclobemide: do you know which device it is? or the mount point? |
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| 12:55.41 | BadRobot | thx |
| 12:55.49 | moclobemide | abrotman: /dev/acd0 |
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| 12:56.16 | moclobemide | abrotman: It's apparantly mounted in /cdrom but it's not working |
| 12:56.26 | abrotman | moclobemide: you could do something like `mount /dev/acd0 /cdrom' |
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| 12:57.59 | moclobemide | abrotman: error incorrect superblock |
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| 12:58.19 | abrotman | can you read the CD elsewhere? |
| 12:58.28 | moclobemide | abrotman: no |
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| 12:58.41 | moclobemide | abrotman: when i ran the mount command it began to spin though |
| 12:58.41 | abrotman | moclobemide: so you can't read the CD in antoher machine or another OS ? |
| 12:58.54 | moclobemide | abrotman: i can read it in another machine yes |
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| 12:59.14 | Eulex | haha, funny. some guy running gentoo had a problem with an app displaying '?' instead of unicode characters. I was going to joke and asked whether he had his unicode use flag set. turns out they really have a unicode use flag... *shakes head* |
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| 12:59.46 | abrotman | moclobemide: can you mount another CD in debian? |
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| 13:02.47 | diafic | Rebooty |
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| 13:04.48 | xipietotec | !apt |
| 13:04.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
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| 13:06.03 | liable | odd, i have gallery2 on a host for my sister, and some photos are quite a lot faster to download than others, yet the file sizes are still as large as others that load slowly (getting resized by imagemagic), must be in jpeg quality i guess? |
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| 13:06.19 | moclobemide | abrotman: i figured out need to mount -t cd9660 /dev/cd0 /cdrom |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | cd9660? or iso9660 ? |
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| 13:10.58 | zignig | bleh! |
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| 13:12.48 | neotic | abrotman: iso |
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| 13:14.44 | abrotman | i was asking the other guy .. but whatever |
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| 13:19.54 | masus | hi all, will debian "DESKTOP" work with 256 mb of ram and 3 GB of HardDisk, thanks... |
| 13:20.02 | wols_ | masus: yes |
| 13:20.12 | masus | ok thanks |
| 13:20.17 | azeem | masus: there isn't one desktop, you can choose a desktop which will work though |
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| 13:20.40 | bzed | masus: don't choose the desktop target in tasksell, though, that'll giv you way too musch stuff. |
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| 13:20.47 | bzed | masus: you want to hand-select the packages |
| 13:20.52 | wols_ | !install gnome |
| 13:20.52 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 13:21.06 | bzed | gnome doesn;t even fit on a 3GB HD |
| 13:21.25 | masus | so yes or no :) |
| 13:21.41 | Maulkin | Try xfce |
| 13:21.43 | jelly-home | xfce might, but even xfce is probably too much for 256MB and a slow hdd |
| 13:22.04 | wols_ | jelly-home: I ran gnome fine on a athlon900 with 256MB |
| 13:22.06 | masus | no i have test xfce with freebsd but i get every day porblems |
| 13:22.16 | jelly-home | wols_: which version? how many years ago? |
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| 13:22.22 | wols_ | jelly-home: etch |
| 13:22.30 | wols_ | and I used ffox for a browser |
| 13:22.39 | jelly-home | wols_: only gnome, or any apps? :-) |
| 13:22.47 | abrotman | gnome runs okay in 256 |
| 13:22.49 | wols_ | as I said: firefox |
| 13:22.52 | masus | i need only ffox |
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| 13:23.08 | wols_ | masus:what desktop environment do you want? |
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| 13:23.24 | masus | wols_: i need only ffox thats enough for me maybe another solution |
| 13:23.32 | masus | it's not important |
| 13:23.33 | wols_ | masus: install gnome-core |
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| 13:23.53 | wols_ | don't install via tasksel (that "desktop" thing) |
| 13:23.54 | masus | ok i'll try |
| 13:24.38 | masus | no i understand |
| 13:24.38 | masus | minimal installation after apt-get |
| 13:24.47 | masus | thanks ... |
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| 13:24.58 | abrotman | probably want to use aptitue |
| 13:25.00 | abrotman | aptitude |
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| 13:25.42 | masus | ok |
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| 13:26.19 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 13:27.03 | reiser2 | i need to block usb and cd-roms in 3 computers |
| 13:27.13 | reiser2 | but all controlled from server |
| 13:27.24 | reiser2 | is possible that? |
| 13:27.58 | reiser2 | in windows box there is an application to do that |
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| 13:29.13 | Eulex | what does it mean when cdebootstrap outputs "E: Couldn't install system due to errors!" after trying to extract the base system? |
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| 13:29.33 | abrotman | Eulex: seems pretty obvious |
| 13:29.38 | rmaj | stew: well using source -b -t experimental failed to give me uptodate version of lib boost :( |
| 13:29.44 | apollo13 | Hi my new computer has an Attansic L1 gigabit lan card, where can I see if this driver is supported by the netinstall cd? |
| 13:30.14 | abrotman | apollo13: do you know which driver it uses? |
| 13:30.43 | apollo13 | abrotman: to be honest no, I am trying to find it out... |
| 13:30.43 | Eulex | abrotman, yeah, really... |
| 13:30.49 | abrotman | rmaj: libboost in exp is 1.34.1 |
| 13:31.09 | abrotman | apollo13: have you tried any linux at all ? |
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| 13:31.28 | apollo13 | abrotman: not yet I got the pc today... |
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| 13:31.52 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+Attansic+L1++debian+driver&btnG=Google+Search |
| 13:32.01 | apollo13 | it seems to be 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit |
| 13:32.01 | apollo13 | Ethernet Adapter (rev b0) |
| 13:33.10 | abrotman | apollo13: and if the google links don't help .. you can /msg dpkg kmuto to get an installer with a newer kernel |
| 13:33.33 | apollo13 | yeah, I'll try thx |
| 13:34.04 | abrotman | apollo13: or you could try a lenny netinst .. but there's no way to know if it's functional this week |
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| 13:34.29 | apollo13 | k, lenny did always work for me, so I am going to try it |
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| 13:34.46 | apollo13 | btw would the businesscard be enough or would you siggest the netinst? |
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| 13:34.59 | abrotman | i'd use the netinst |
| 13:35.05 | cast | i got sata hotswap working with sata_nv on a nforce5 board :D |
| 13:36.30 | niwt | apollo13: modprobe atl1 |
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| 13:36.43 | Eulex | now I'm confused |
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| 13:37.00 | abrotman | niwt: that driver isn't in etch |
| 13:37.08 | apollo13 | niwt: yeah thx I see, I'll try it, but currently my silly brother is installing windows :( |
| 13:37.23 | apollo13 | abrotman: well I won't be running etch... |
| 13:37.28 | niwt | abrotman: yeah, I noticed - sorry, I jumped into the conversation late |
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| 13:38.28 | apollo13 | niwt: no, I really appreciate you help. And I won't use etch so no problem here... |
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| 13:38.39 | Eulex | hah, never mind stupid me. the partition that I tried to create the chroot on was mounted noexec. |
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| 13:38.54 | abrotman | Eulex: that's just silly! |
| 13:39.33 | Eulex | hmm, strange thing is I never told it to be mounted noexec... |
| 13:39.49 | Eulex | it's /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb-ext3 ext3 defaults,user 0 0 in fstab |
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| 13:39.59 | rama | rama Su #debian Un Saluto a tutti |
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| 13:40.12 | abrotman | !it |
| 13:40.12 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 13:40.23 | niwt | apollo13: do you have a working lenny netinstall cd? |
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| 13:41.51 | apollo13 | niwT: I am about to download it |
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| 13:42.00 | apollo13 | can't find my old one.... |
| 13:42.07 | niwt | my old one doesn't work |
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| 13:42.34 | niwt | I did a base install of etch, then upgraded, but I had to use an old 3com nic |
| 13:42.39 | apollo13 | yeah, this is my intention too, but if I would have found it I would have tried it first... (and mine isn't this old) |
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| 13:46.04 | Eulex | woot \o/ it's working |
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| 13:46.13 | vzoric | how do i enable sound card on my laptop |
| 13:46.23 | vzoric | i have compaq nx6325 |
| 13:46.29 | Eulex | !alsa check-list |
| 13:46.33 | Eulex | !alsa checklist |
| 13:46.33 | dpkg | i guess alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:47.27 | vzoric | i dont have alsaconf |
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| 13:48.15 | cahoot | vzoric: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should suffice nowadays |
| 13:49.05 | Octopus | Hey, I have a directory where I am uploading my webfiles to, with a structure ./images ./styles and index.html in the root etc. Now when I upload files to the dir they only get 600 chmod. Is there some automatic way of letting them get 755 auto? |
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| 13:50.32 | laofeifei | Hi |
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| 13:51.17 | Octopus | Is that related to VSFTPD? |
| 13:51.31 | laofeifei | Anyone know where does openoffice package put its icon file? |
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| 13:51.40 | vzoric | cahoot: now it works |
| 13:51.44 | laofeifei | I used dpkg -L openoffice.org, |
| 13:51.50 | flajann | Does anyone know where I can find a debian/ubuntu package for MySQL 5.1? Or do I have to compile the generic package? |
| 13:51.51 | laofeifei | didn't find the icons |
| 13:52.09 | vzoric | cahoot: but is it possible i can regular sound on my keyboard |
| 13:52.37 | apollo13 | flajann: they are already in experimental :) |
| 13:52.40 | cahoot | vzoric: yes - works out of the box on my hp dv9000 |
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| 13:53.04 | vzoric | cahoot: nice, do you know can i do it on my nx6325 |
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| 13:53.55 | jelly-home | Octopus: before uploading, set umask in the ftp client to 022? That is, if your ftp server understands SITE UMASK command. |
| 13:54.01 | cahoot | vzoric: I'd try tuxmobil.org and linux-laptop.net |
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| 13:54.06 | Polarina | Hello. Is it a possibility we can get a more recent version of Wine into the repository? Be it sid or not. |
| 13:54.19 | flajann | apollo13: I am new to ubuntu/debian -- been using Fedora almost exclusively until now. |
| 13:54.28 | vzoric | cahoot: ty |
| 13:54.50 | Octopus | jelly-home: it's just bbedit and dreamweaver where I'm uploading my webfiles through |
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| 13:55.31 | jelly-home | Octopus: if they don't support it, try asking your provider to change the default umask then |
| 13:55.35 | apollo13 | flajann: well add the experimental sources to /etc/apt/sources.lst and put APT::Default-Release "etch"; into /etc/apt.conf (otherwise you could easily upgrade your whole sys to experimental...) |
| 13:55.40 | spinodal | i am trying to install debian etch with the netinst cdrom, and my system boots from it just fine. but after i hit "enter" to start the installation, it loads a couple of things and then stops with the message "Ready." and a blinking cursor. any ideas why this is happening? |
| 13:55.48 | Octopus | jelly-home: I am the admin of the debian system |
| 13:55.53 | Octopus | what should I change? |
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| 13:56.01 | massctrl | hi anyone using awstats on debian? why the hell is placing all the files in /usr/share/doc/awstats/ ? |
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| 13:56.06 | flajann | apollo13: Thanks |
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| 13:56.54 | ttick | anyone know which vim package contains syntax highlighting and functions, but doesn't include that graphical vim nonsense? |
| 13:57.02 | jelly-home | Octopus: well, find the umask setting in your ftpd configuration. I don't have a ready solution |
| 13:57.10 | neotic | ttick: it's your vimrc? |
| 13:57.24 | Octopus | jelly-home: ok, thanks, it is for VSFTPD if that helps |
| 13:57.48 | ttick | neotic: yes, but certain version of vim (the default pkg) don't support syntax highlighting |
| 13:58.08 | hark | ttick: vim-runtime |
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| 13:59.21 | ttick | hark: hmm, that didn't seem to do it. |
| 13:59.36 | ttick | hark: "E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version:" |
| 13:59.39 | hark | ttick: :syn on |
| 14:00.14 | ttick | hark: the problem is stuff like this: "E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: function!" |
| 14:00.41 | ttick | hark: hark: also, "syn on" produces the same error |
| 14:01.22 | hark | ttick: make sure vim-runtime is installed |
| 14:01.32 | ttick | hark: just installed it. |
| 14:01.53 | ttick | hark: unless there's something else to do besides: apt-get install vim-runtime |
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| 14:03.29 | hark | no, vim-tiny + vim-runtime should work afaik |
| 14:03.35 | masus | ttick: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Vim-HOWTO.html |
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| 14:04.50 | ttick | hark: hmm, I guess this is rather odd. |
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| 14:11.17 | nkuttler | rbd: a package install without a package? |
| 14:11.25 | WAndre | are there any news to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00001.html ? |
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| 14:15.34 | ttick | hark: lol, found it. apt-get install vim! So the forumula is tiny+runtime+vim |
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| 14:17.37 | simonrvn | WAndre: should be up soon so i hear |
| 14:17.49 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:18.09 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 14:18.13 | WAndre | simonrvn: would be nice and some more infos would be even nicer :-) |
| 14:19.15 | simonrvn | yesterday dondelelcaro said about 24 hours, knowing how these things can go sometimes could be later today or this evening (EST) |
| 14:20.02 | p-a-v | is nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-2.6-amd64 the package I should install for an amd64 running amd64 lenny? |
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| 14:20.28 | Polarina | p-a-v: I would compile from source. |
| 14:20.29 | WAndre | simonrvn: thanks, but I meant some offical infos (aka announcements) |
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| 14:20.48 | blinx | !luks |
| 14:20.48 | dpkg | somebody said luks was cryptsetup with luks support: "http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/debian/". LUKS is a secure way to store key's for a cryptopartition. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian' for more info |
| 14:20.51 | simonrvn | WAndre: i don't have any to offer *shrug* |
| 14:21.20 | blinx | I want to resize my luks partition, what I have to do to realize that? |
| 14:21.33 | WAndre | simonrvn: I don't blame you ;) |
| 14:21.57 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 14:23.24 | blinx | no one experiences with luks? |
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| 14:31.45 | rmaj | I can't use up to date libboost-dev, even building it from source (source -b -t experimental) fails |
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| 14:36.26 | marked | Hi. Setting up a new etch box here, with a few backports. Noticed there is a linux-image-2.6.22 backport. Can anyone advise for or against using that? |
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| 14:37.03 | liable | marked: does everything work with the current kernel? |
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| 14:37.20 | marked | liable: not sure, its a new box ;) |
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| 14:37.32 | libervisco | What kernel is in testing? |
| 14:37.35 | Polarina | marked: Just use the most recent kernel version. |
| 14:37.59 | nkuttler | rmaj: experimental isn't supposed to work. fix the problem, write a patch. |
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| 14:38.23 | marked | Polarina: so you are advising to use the backport? |
| 14:38.36 | liable | marked: i meant, does the hardware get detected and work? |
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| 14:39.15 | Polarina | marked: It doesn't harm anyone. I, for example, am using the testing repository, but I'm using the nvidia-drivers from sid to solve an annoying problem I had. |
| 14:39.42 | marked | liable: as far as I can tell, yes. I know there were some issues in the kernel up to a point with my ethernet chipset, but not sure if it will be an issue with the etch kernel. |
| 14:40.04 | Polarina | marked: Testing is stable enough for most users. In my opinion, the stable repository is for paranoid users. |
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| 14:40.06 | liable | Polarina: your example doesn't really show that it doesn't harm anyone.. |
| 14:40.13 | Maulkin | marked: is this a server or a desktop machine? |
| 14:40.24 | marked | Maulkin: server |
| 14:40.30 | marked | Maulkin: production |
| 14:40.30 | Maulkin | marked: use etch plain |
| 14:40.35 | Polarina | liable: That kernel version isn't going to do something harmful to you, but it might not work though. |
| 14:40.44 | Maulkin | I woudn't recommend backports at all |
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| 14:41.15 | marked | Maulkin: I'm only planning to use the clamav and spamassassin backports, to be current with those |
| 14:41.25 | Maulkin | marked: have a look at volotile |
| 14:41.33 | Maulkin | gah... volatile |
| 14:41.41 | Maulkin | !volatile |
| 14:41.41 | dpkg | volatile is, like, debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/ |
| 14:41.42 | liable | Polarina: how do you know that kernel doesnt have bugs for his hatdware, or any number of things that new kernels have bugs for |
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| 14:42.19 | Polarina | marked: For servers, security is top priority, so use etch, pure. However, I find it simpler to use Gentoo on servers and Debian for desktop environments. |
| 14:42.23 | Polarina | liable: Nothing. |
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| 14:42.23 | liable | marked: Maulkin is right, volatile is what you want for those things |
| 14:42.57 | Polarina | liable: It might not have to be related to hardware, it can be for other things, like filesystems. |
| 14:43.30 | marked | okay, thanks everyone, I'll look into volatile, and sounds like staying with the etch kernel is the way to go, unless something doesn't work and needs a newer kernel |
| 14:44.11 | rmaj | nkuttler: I dunno what the problem is exacly |
| 14:44.20 | Polarina | marked: Start out with the defaults, then step further as necessary. That's my tumb of rule. |
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| 14:44.30 | [GABRI] | + |
| 14:44.53 | zo | What's your other thumb, Polarina? |
| 14:45.10 | Polarina | zo: Experiment. |
| 14:45.23 | zo | Woohoo :-) |
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| 14:49.10 | apollo13 | hi, did someone already installed debian on an asus p5k mainboard with a jmicron sata raid controller? |
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| 14:50.11 | ttick | how do I eliminate the pulse in /var/log/messages "-- MARK --" |
| 14:50.17 | abrotman | !mark |
| 14:50.18 | dpkg | mark was Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart. In testing or unstable change /etc/default/syslogd... |
| 14:50.25 | Polarina | apollo13: Haven't you done that? Is it broken? Having issues? Are these dumb questions? Then ask us your real question to avoid dumbness. |
| 14:50.49 | apollo13 | hu? |
| 14:51.01 | liable | apollo13: the jmicron is the pata controller iirc |
| 14:51.09 | abrotman | !jmicron |
| 14:51.10 | dpkg | Having problems booting IDE on a JMicron chipset or MSI G965M-FI? Check out http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/16/1829231 |
| 14:51.11 | Polarina | apollo13: What is your problem? |
| 14:51.15 | apollo13 | ah, ok thx I'll try that one |
| 14:51.20 | apollo13 | well the discs are not found |
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| 14:51.33 | apollo13 | but I'll try the pata controller |
| 14:51.37 | abrotman | apollo13: you can try putting them in legacy mode |
| 14:51.39 | liable | apollo13: which p5k? |
| 14:51.46 | abrotman | if it has such a thing |
| 14:51.52 | liable | the newer ones have ich9 |
| 14:52.01 | liable | which is .21 and newer |
| 14:52.24 | abrotman | apollo13: are you using the lenny netinst ? |
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| 14:52.48 | mooper | has anyone here set up sun hardware? |
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| 14:53.09 | I-hate-irc-and-c | hello |
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| 14:54.00 | ttick | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:54.06 | apollo13 | abrotman: yeah, current build |
| 14:54.14 | abrotman | mooper: what about it? |
| 14:54.38 | apollo13 | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#ahci shouldn't the ahci driver work fine? |
| 14:54.59 | liable | apollo13: you cant try the pata controller, its what your cd drive is using most likely, unless you have an pata hard drive connected to it |
| 14:55.13 | k31th | alright guys, going to put debian on my laptop its a centrino 1.6ghz with a 30gig HD 1gb of ram... wats best to roll out Sid? in the past i have only used debian for server I have used Ubunt* on the desktop but not debian for about 5 years. |
| 14:55.14 | liable | apollo13: which installer? |
| 14:55.16 | apollo13 | liable: where can I select this contriller? |
| 14:55.20 | apollo13 | debian lenny netinsta |
| 14:55.22 | apollo13 | ll |
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| 14:55.46 | apollo13 | the cd drive is using (e)ide... |
| 14:55.59 | abrotman | k31th: don't use sid |
| 14:56.03 | mooper | abrotman: I have this new sun box, I have plugged a screen into it, switched it on but no signal to the screen |
| 14:56.04 | liable | apollo13: you cant, its how you have hooked your drives. and yeah, if its the lenny installer, and the bios is set to ahci, it should work |
| 14:56.22 | apollo13 | bios I'll take a look into the bios :) |
| 14:56.24 | abrotman | mooper: your monitor might not be compatible .. maybe ask #sparc |
| 14:56.32 | marked | Maulkin: liking the look of volatile, but no spamassassin in stable |
| 14:56.51 | k31th | abrotman: what would you recommend? |
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| 14:57.31 | liable | k31th: depends how comfortable you are with dpkg etc |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | k31th: etch or lenny |
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| 14:57.59 | liable | sids fine to try as long as you can fix the odd borkenness |
| 14:58.19 | k31th | etch i have running on a fair few servers... |
| 14:58.42 | elcuco | hi, i need help with ssh X11 forwarding. My debian lenny is running on vmware, the host is windowsXP. I can SSH from Windows (host) to Lenny (guest) but X11 is not beeing forwarded. I am runnning an X11 server on WindowsXP. |
| 14:58.49 | liable | but have you had to fix many broken packages? |
| 14:58.53 | elcuco | can anyone give me some hints for debugging this? |
| 14:58.55 | k31th | liable: no. |
| 14:59.11 | abrotman | please don't use sid |
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| 14:59.36 | k31th | liable: i dont want hell on a daily baises I want some thing that works well. |
| 14:59.36 | masus | by all |
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| 14:59.54 | abrotman | k31th: etch or lenny |
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| 15:00.22 | k31th | I think ill give lenny a try. |
| 15:00.27 | Polarina | k31th: But for the fun, you can upgrade to sid shortly before you format your hard-drive. ;) |
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| 15:01.35 | ttick | lol, visudo drops you into nano by default. ugh |
| 15:01.37 | k31th | where do i download lenny from? |
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| 15:01.57 | k31th | i only see etch atm |
| 15:01.58 | Polarina | k31th: Etch netinst, then upgrade to lenny afterwards. |
| 15:02.03 | liable | ttick: that would be because of your $editor setting i think |
| 15:02.05 | k31th | ah ok. |
| 15:02.27 | ttick | liable: echo $EDITOR -> vim |
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| 15:03.12 | liable | hrm, i am sure i have had it call vim before |
| 15:03.21 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.43 | ttick | liable: yeah, you can get it to call vim, but I just thought it was silly that by default it calls nano |
| 15:04.15 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.19 | ttick | cahoot: is that part of a command? |
| 15:04.25 | abc | How can i found a Tutorial or something who tell me how to install ATI Radeon X1300 on Debian Etch ?(fglrx or working radeon ?) |
| 15:05.12 | keta | ttick: doesn't it call $EDITOR by default? whatever it is |
| 15:05.13 | cahoot | ttick: it's one way to choose editor systemwide |
| 15:05.25 | Eulex | abc, if you want 3d accelerations, you'll need to use fglrx. |
| 15:05.36 | apollo13 | liable: I have configurer the j-micron esata/pata controller as ahci (choices: raid ide ahci) and sata mode is set to enchanced but use sata as is set to ide (only option :() any ideas? |
| 15:05.44 | ttick | cahoot: I don't have a command update-alternatives. Is that a dpkg command? |
| 15:05.59 | abrotman | it's a root command |
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| 15:06.14 | abc | i need a tutorial |
| 15:06.17 | ttick | ah, found it |
| 15:06.23 | littleball | i want to check whether a processor is core 2 duo processor or not. Is it possible to get such info from linux? |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 15:06.30 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 15:06.40 | abrotman | littleball: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:06.42 | abrotman | !whats my harware |
| 15:06.46 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 15:06.46 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 15:07.19 | abc | ti search in google but dont found anythicok |
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| 15:07.23 | abc | sry ok |
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| 15:07.41 | gentoo | hi there |
| 15:07.49 | keta | wow this chan keeps evolving, canned response to determine hardware is cool :D |
| 15:08.11 | gentoo | I have a problem with debian 4 |
| 15:08.25 | ttick | I'm trying to be good and migrate over to a sudo mentality after using su for the last 15 years. |
| 15:08.31 | gentoo | anyone help me please ... |
| 15:09.02 | Ronin | !tell gentoo about ask |
| 15:09.05 | keta | gentoo: I have a problem with gentoo, let's make a deal... |
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| 15:10.43 | gentoo | there's a proble with sound system ... |
| 15:11.15 | I-hate-irc-and-c | anyone here ho has installed counter strike source server on debian? |
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| 15:11.37 | marked | can someone give me some advice on volatile? I'd like to use it instead of backports for clamav and spamassassin, but there is no spamassassin in volatile/etch, only in volatile/etch-proposed-updates. |
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| 15:13.35 | sarixe | hi, how do i get virtualbox-ose running in lenny? |
| 15:13.49 | sarixe | it seems to have problems building the kernel modul |
| 15:13.50 | sarixe | e |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | gentoo: we need more information |
| 15:14.03 | hoxu | !tell gentoo about problem |
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| 15:15.03 | hark | sarixe: what's the error? |
| 15:15.21 | gentoo | the sound system works only for root. |
| 15:15.25 | sarixe | uh, lemme reproduce it |
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| 15:15.47 | gentoo | ? |
| 15:15.54 | keta | gentoo: adduser youruser audio |
| 15:15.56 | hark | gentoo: make sure you're part of the audio group |
| 15:16.01 | sarixe | hark: lemme pastebin |
| 15:16.28 | gentoo | I'll try, :) |
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| 15:16.49 | liable | gentoo: then the user has to log out and back in again |
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| 15:17.22 | sarixe | hark: http://pastebin.com/m6cc350ca |
| 15:18.07 | sarixe | hark: also, there's no virtualbox package that i can find |
| 15:18.21 | sarixe | just virtualbox-ose, and virtualbox-ose-source |
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| 15:18.48 | hark | sarixe: those are all you need |
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| 15:19.07 | sarixe | i installed them both though |
| 15:19.32 | hark | sarixe: m-a a-i virtualbox-ose |
| 15:19.45 | sarixe | ah true... i did m-a a-i virtualbox |
| 15:19.59 | sarixe | there we go |
| 15:20.00 | sarixe | thanks |
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| 15:21.29 | sarixe | uh, then what? |
| 15:21.38 | sarixe | /etc/init.d/vboxdrv isn't there |
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| 15:22.06 | Alam_Debian | DOOM |
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| 15:22.31 | sarixe | ...or is it different now? |
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| 15:23.18 | hark | why should it be there? |
| 15:23.37 | sarixe | uh... because it was there when i didn't have -ose |
| 15:23.46 | rrk | looking for a sarge mirror can't update it will break other app |
| 15:23.48 | sarixe | i originally had it installed from a downloaded .deb |
| 15:24.01 | sarixe | and then i just noticed the -ose in synaptic |
| 15:24.30 | hoxu | !tell rrk about mirrors |
| 15:24.56 | hark | sarixe: what does it do? why do you need it? |
| 15:25.13 | sarixe | it's the init script for starting the virtualbox kernel module |
| 15:25.21 | sarixe | hold on, lemme try something |
| 15:25.40 | sarixe | eh, nevermind |
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| 15:25.51 | sarixe | i was gonna kill the process, but remembered it's not even installed |
| 15:26.20 | sarixe | thing is, now when i start a virtual machine, it says there's a version mismatch between the software and the kernel module |
| 15:26.21 | XTF | Hi. How do I find out the fd a process is using to listen on a certain port? |
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| 15:27.00 | hoxu | XTF, fd? |
| 15:27.02 | rrk | lsof and grep for it |
| 15:27.43 | hark | lsof -i :port |
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| 15:28.32 | wols_ | is a socket an fd? |
| 15:28.39 | ttick | for some reason one package (mplayer) has "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" how do I fix this -- I installed it on another machine with Testing w/o a problem. |
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| 15:28.59 | rrk | anyone know where i can find a sarge mirror? |
| 15:29.03 | wols_ | !tell ttick about bat |
| 15:29.09 | wols_ | !tell rrk about mirror |
| 15:29.10 | XTF | hoxu: file descriptor |
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| 15:30.00 | ttick | abrotman: in flood |
| 15:30.09 | sarixe | ttick: pastebin it |
| 15:30.11 | ttick | lol, flood booted me. |
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| 15:31.03 | hoxu | XTF, figured, thanks, just struck me a bit weird in the context :) |
| 15:31.32 | ttick | http://paste.lisp.org/display/50607 |
| 15:31.59 | abrotman | ttick: don't mix versions of debian |
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| 15:32.19 | wols_ | !info libamrnb3 testing |
| 15:32.37 | ttick | abrotman: hmm. okay, how do I 'unmix' them? |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | ttick: you either upgrade fully to lenny, or reinstall |
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| 15:33.01 | abrotman | or try to selectively downgrade packages |
| 15:33.24 | abrotman | ttick: show us your sources |
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| 15:34.07 | rmaj | damn |
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| 15:34.35 | rmaj | why I can't install kxmleditor? |
| 15:34.45 | rmaj | "No candidate version found for kxmleditor" |
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| 15:36.26 | abrotman | rmaj: is it even in debian ? |
| 15:37.13 | Phil4 | rmaj, which Debian? |
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| 15:38.23 | rmaj | abrotman: yes, it is in stable |
| 15:38.26 | rmaj | Phil4: in testing |
| 15:38.37 | rmaj | !why is xmleditor not in testing |
| 15:38.37 | dpkg | xmleditor is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xmleditor |
| 15:38.39 | abrotman | that doesn't mean it's in testing |
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| 15:39.51 | ttick | abrotman: okay, thanks -- found the problem in srcs |
| 15:41.21 | xstation1 | i am useing debian etch as a mail server and postfix as the mta, is promail required to process mail? |
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| 15:41.49 | abrotman | xstation1: no |
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| 15:44.55 | xstation1 | abortman: ok thanks reaso i ask is becayse i am getting (delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused) |
| 15:45.43 | Maulkin | xstation1: postfix isn't running (well, not listening to 127.0.0.1 anwyay) |
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| 15:46.47 | xstation1 | Maulkin: if i do a telnet it opens on port 25 or am i getting mixed up |
| 15:47.16 | Maulkin | yes, you need to telnet to smtp |
| 15:47.24 | Maulkin | ie: telnet localhost smtp |
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| 15:48.26 | xstation1 | umm is that from remote or once i log in |
| 15:48.58 | Maulkin | Once you log in |
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| 15:53.06 | tingle | hi, i just installed debian whit xorg and fluxbox but my clock issnt correct how can i change it? i already checked my bios clock. |
| 15:53.39 | tingle | its an hour to far |
| 15:53.56 | xstation1 | Maulkin: I did open localhost smtp go trying 127.0.0.1 then connected to localhost.localdomain 220 mail.mydomain.net |
| 15:53.59 | Gryfelhase | tingle: set your bios-clock to greenwitch time, if yohu have nio windows for dualboot |
| 15:54.16 | Gryfelhase | I guess, you live 1 h east of greenwicth |
| 15:54.25 | xand | nl is gmt+1 |
| 15:54.33 | xand | tingle: install ntp |
| 15:54.34 | xand | !ntp |
| 15:54.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 15:54.37 | Maulkin | xstation1: right, and so where are you getting the connection refused error? |
| 15:54.38 | Gryfelhase | or use the date-comand |
| 15:54.49 | xand | ntp is better |
| 15:54.55 | Gryfelhase | but much more work |
| 15:54.59 | xand | no it's not |
| 15:55.07 | xand | "apt-get install ntp" and you're done |
| 15:55.11 | Gryfelhase | oh... |
| 15:55.14 | xand | it configures it for you these days |
| 15:55.14 | Gryfelhase | ok :) |
| 15:55.19 | tingle | xand: just install it? |
| 15:55.24 | xand | yes |
| 15:55.33 | xand | assuming your timezone is set correctly, it'll sort it out |
| 15:55.54 | Gryfelhase | I'm trining to comile a programm, and it seems, it can't find ioctl for the cdrom |
| 15:55.58 | tingle | omg it worked thanks :) |
| 15:55.59 | Gryfelhase | any tipps? |
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| 15:56.22 | \amethyst | Gryfelhase: what program are you compiling? |
| 15:56.24 | Gryfelhase | the neccesarrY libs seams to be installed |
| 15:56.29 | tingle | can i deinstall it again? or do i need to keep this program to keep my clock synced? |
| 15:56.41 | \amethyst | Gryfelhase: and what ioctl is it looking for? |
| 15:56.57 | xand | tingle: keep it |
| 15:57.03 | tingle | xand: ok thanks |
| 15:57.03 | Gryfelhase | \amethyst: No debian.program, itÄs called rpcemu |
| 15:57.04 | xand | tingle: your hardware clock won't keep perfect time |
| 15:57.18 | tingle | xand: ok understood :) |
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| 15:58.11 | Gryfelhase | ioctl for the cdrom |
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| 15:59.54 | ttick | is there any way to tell which process is writing to disk at any particular moment? |
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| 16:00.06 | ttick | something like top for disk access |
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| 16:00.34 | bzed | I think powertop provides some info about that, too. not sure anymore, though |
| 16:00.59 | xstation1 | Maulkin: from my mail log |
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| 16:01.38 | ttick | bzed: thanks, I'll check that out |
| 16:01.42 | hark | ttick: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug |
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| 16:05.47 | bzed | ttick: hmm no, just gave it a try... doesn;t do that |
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| 16:08.29 | abrotman | xstation1: did you alter the main.cf for postfix ? |
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| 16:09.25 | ness | hi, I'm running debian/testing on amd64. I need to build gcc (3.4.4) from source. This fails because xgcc doesn't find the 32 bit files (like gnu/stubs-32.h or the 32 bit libc). I know where they are (in /usr/include/i486-linux-gnu and /lib32), but why doesn't gcc find them? I ask here because I suspect that this is a non-standard debian trickery. |
| 16:10.23 | xstation1 | abortman: i have altered a few things for tls which part are you refering to specificly |
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| 16:10.36 | hark | xstation1: or master.cf? |
| 16:10.46 | abrotman | xstation1: so .. from the machine itself .. you can `telnet localhost 25` and it works ? |
| 16:11.50 | xstation1 | abrotman: yes i ssh in and did the telnet to local host that was ok |
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| 16:12.09 | jeffwheeler | (did that get sent to everybody? I'm sorry if it did) |
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| 16:13.39 | Strang3love | hello everyone |
| 16:14.07 | Strang3love | i have a question, need to get write permission on a cd-rw what is the command for that? |
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| 16:17.01 | Flimqy | Strang3love: There isn't "a command" for that. |
| 16:17.07 | Flimqy | Strang3love: You need to configure packet writing. |
| 16:17.12 | Strang3love | chmod? |
| 16:17.16 | Flimqy | Strang3love: Which I have absolutely no experience with. |
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| 16:17.37 | nkuttler | Strang3love: check the device, add yourself to the correct group |
| 16:17.37 | Flimqy | I expect it will also require re-writing the entire disk once |
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| 16:19.33 | abrotman | !packet writing |
| 16:19.41 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:19.41 | tuv | how do i modify a GTK widget? any tutorials? i want to use a Scale widget as a timeline |
| 16:19.49 | abrotman | tuv: ask on irc.gnome.org |
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| 16:20.32 | xstation1 | abrotman: i think i have discoverted something when postfic tries to send mail it says "to" a host then the meessage is what i said in the fist post |
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| 16:21.32 | Qantourisc | any tips for solving conflicts ? |
| 16:22.09 | cahoot | Qantourisc: a cool approach, ready to listen to both sides |
| 16:22.09 | hark | xstation1: amavis? |
| 16:22.32 | Qantourisc | cahoot: in aptitude :) |
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| 16:22.48 | aempi | hi there, i try to modify a .deb file, I opened it, made my changes to the postinst file, and repacked the modified files with "dpkg-deb -b foldername filename.deb" when i try to install this package, i get the error message: "unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory" althought the file was there. what could i have done wrong? |
| 16:23.01 | cahoot | Qantourisc: sorry saturday eve here |
| 16:23.09 | xstation1 | hark: yes i have amavis running ? |
| 16:23.22 | Qantourisc | cahoot: yes an i'm messing with debian ... |
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| 16:24.06 | hark | xstation1: check the amavis logs, or try disabling the content filter and see |
| 16:24.24 | cahoot | Qantourisc: your'e not mixing versions by chance? |
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| 16:24.40 | Qantourisc | cahoot: i am that's the cause of the problems :) |
| 16:24.59 | cahoot | Qantourisc: I see - way beyond me then |
| 16:25.04 | Qantourisc | hehe |
| 16:25.06 | Qantourisc | i see now |
| 16:25.17 | Qantourisc | for some reason he decided to try and install edgy ... |
| 16:25.55 | aempi | when i unpack the deb by hand with "ar -x" and then "tar -xvzf" the control.tar.gz the file is definately there :( |
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| 16:26.18 | Qantourisc | aa better :) |
| 16:26.19 | asas | hi people |
| 16:26.27 | asas | i have problem with AD and samba |
| 16:26.35 | asas | this is the error |
| 16:26.35 | Qantourisc | put the pin-prioirty below 200 irrc (i took 50) |
| 16:26.38 | asas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.48 | Master1337 | hi |
| 16:30.02 | Master1337 | how should a correct swap entry look in fstab? |
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| 16:30.37 | stew | Master1337: /dev/whatever none swap sw 0 0 |
| 16:30.53 | Master1337 | ok thanks :) |
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| 16:32.21 | xand | there's no 586 kernel for etch is there? |
| 16:33.15 | \amethyst | xand: no---you have a Pentium? |
| 16:33.23 | xand | a via c3 |
| 16:33.29 | xand | it's 500MHz but not 686 |
| 16:33.33 | xstation1 | hark: cant see a log is that the same as frshclam? |
| 16:33.42 | xstation1 | freshclam |
| 16:34.43 | xstation1 | did a ps -aux got clamav |
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| 16:35.43 | abrotman | xand: so what makes you think it's 586 |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:36.01 | xand | guess :P |
| 16:36.11 | xand | i'll just 486 kernel |
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| 16:36.23 | abrotman | xand: so how do you know it's not 686? |
| 16:36.45 | xand | 686 kernel doesn't boot, it lacks some of the 686 features |
| 16:36.52 | asas | http://rafb.net/p/eu69hI79.html |
| 16:36.55 | asas | what is the error? |
| 16:37.05 | abrotman | xand: wikipedia says it's -686 |
| 16:37.11 | xand | it's not |
| 16:37.18 | abrotman | xand: oh .. depends on the family of c3 |
| 16:37.23 | xand | probably yes |
| 16:37.28 | \amethyst | xand: ezra? |
| 16:37.29 | apollo13 | hi, I am getting a deboostrap error release name not found (current lenny netinst) is there a way to work around this? |
| 16:37.33 | biz | what is the right way to set process niceness as a user? suid nice on a single user machine without network shoulb be ok? sudo entry? any ideas? |
| 16:37.41 | xand | it's a samuel one |
| 16:37.43 | xand | iirc |
| 16:37.44 | \amethyst | ah |
| 16:37.46 | \amethyst | even older :) |
| 16:37.47 | apollo13 | (during installation of base system) |
| 16:37.57 | abrotman | xand: yep .. 486 for you! |
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| 16:38.40 | xand | all I'm using it for is scanning barcodes... maybe playing music |
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| 16:39.37 | pestilence | are there instructions someplace on getting via unichrome drivers in testing? |
| 16:39.50 | xstation1 | abrotman: is amavis and clamav the same or? |
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| 16:40.07 | abrotman | amavis can run overtop clamav |
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| 16:41.09 | xstation1 | abrotman: my english is poor overtop means? |
| 16:41.29 | abrotman | xstation1: they can work together |
| 16:41.33 | xand | overtop isn't an english word |
| 16:41.45 | xstation1 | ok thanks |
| 16:41.58 | abrotman | xand: you were saying? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/overtop |
| 16:42.26 | xand | must be american :) |
| 16:42.34 | abrotman | or your english sucks too :) |
| 16:43.10 | abrotman | xand: where did you get a c3 that old? |
| 16:43.50 | InsolitWork | how can i capture stderr output? |
| 16:44.01 | xstation1 | so i must look in clamav loos to see if it is stopping postfix at local host or look in filtering content |
| 16:44.01 | xand | its only two years old |
| 16:44.06 | xand | www.mini-itx.com sell them |
| 16:44.08 | xstation1 | logs |
| 16:44.29 | \amethyst | InsolitWork: 2>somefile |
| 16:44.41 | InsolitWork | that's it :D thanks |
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| 16:46.04 | abrotman | xand: i wish mini-itx weren't .uk :) |
| 16:46.59 | xand | i dont :P |
| 16:47.16 | xand | I need to get one of their picoPSUs |
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| 16:48.15 | abrotman | xand: all i have is logicsupply.com |
| 16:48.18 | abrotman | and a few other smaller ones |
| 16:49.22 | aempi | can't anyone help me with my postinst problem of the deb package? |
| 16:49.24 | aempi | :( |
| 16:49.29 | xand | makes a change |
| 16:49.41 | xand | !comfort aempi |
| 16:49.41 | dpkg | There, there, aempi. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 16:50.01 | Master1337 | rehi |
| 16:50.16 | Master1337 | can anyone please help me with uswsusp? |
| 16:50.51 | Master1337 | I have swap enabled at /dev/sda6, suspending with s2disk is fine |
| 16:51.04 | Master1337 | but the computer doesnt shutdown after writing image to disk |
| 16:51.06 | Master1337 | it reboots |
| 16:51.18 | Master1337 | and the kernel does not recognize any image |
| 16:51.26 | spal | xand: how can we set these kind of parameterized messages in dpkg? |
| 16:51.41 | Master1337 | and so doesn't resume, instead it whines about that /dev/sda6 being no valid swap |
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| 16:51.45 | xand | I don't remember |
| 16:51.49 | Master1337 | anyone know this problem or a solution |
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| 16:55.02 | xstation1 | abrotman: i was chatting to hark who may have gone he said that that i should check logs for amavis nothing there othr than : Can't download daily.cvd from database.clamav.net and in the content fliter the only two items that are not undifiened are $bypass_virus_checks_re); and bypass_spam_checks_re); so as my postfix question not sure |
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| 16:55.40 | abrotman | i don't tihnk that'd stop mail |
| 16:55.49 | asas | http://rafb.net/p/eu69hI79.html |
| 16:55.51 | asas | what is the error? |
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| 16:57.07 | abrotman | you're in the domain .. so it says |
| 16:57.29 | lbt | hi; I'd like to prevent my ieee1394 modules loading at startup whats 'the debian way'? |
| 16:58.56 | Eulex | !blacklist |
| 16:58.56 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 16:59.35 | xstation1 | abrotman; no i also . it is strange that telnet says 127.0.0.1 is ok yet mail sent on the "to" line is not going out what line were you referering to in postfix main c/f you mentioned before? |
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| 17:00.00 | abrotman | xstation1: ignore that ... try to disable clamav/amavis .. and try again |
| 17:00.01 | lbt | Eulex: ta :) |
| 17:00.07 | lbt | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 17:00.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 17:00.44 | tarzeau | how can i make when i startx, compiz --replace is run automatically? |
| 17:00.59 | xstation1 | abrotman: as in etc/init.d/clamav stop ? |
| 17:01.13 | abrotman | no .. take it out of your entire postfix config |
| 17:01.14 | rootman | I registered a domain name on godaddy.com, and I've finally obtained a static IP address for my server, so I want to host a website. But I need DNS for the domain name to point to my server. What are some cheap options for DNS? |
| 17:01.26 | abrotman | rootman: you can do your own dns |
| 17:01.37 | xstation1 | abrotman: ok |
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| 17:02.03 | rootman | How can that work, though? I need other people to find me.... |
| 17:02.31 | rootman | Maybe this isn't the best channel for this topic... what would be the correct one? |
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| 17:04.01 | asas | [2007/11/10 18:03:17, 1] nsswitch/winbindd_ads.c:ads_cached_connection(114) |
| 17:04.01 | asas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.04 | blj | is it possible to access svn using a ssh tunnel with the file:/// (i dont want to run svnserve) |
| 17:04.05 | asas | how i can fix my problem? |
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| 17:04.38 | rootman | Do most people who host websites host their own DNS also? |
| 17:05.01 | Maulkin | rootman: depends what you mean by 'most' |
| 17:05.15 | rootman | Maulkin, little people. Like me. Personal websites. |
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| 17:05.19 | Maulkin | No |
| 17:05.23 | blj | rootman: web hosting companies usually do |
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| 17:06.06 | rootman | Well, okay. Little people, like me, who host their own stuff. |
| 17:06.06 | rootman | :) |
| 17:06.06 | blj | rootman: use the DNS at your rgistrar comapnies |
| 17:06.06 | xstation1 | abrotman: i think you mean this line content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 |
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| 17:06.11 | rootman | I looked all over godaddy.com, and I counldn't find DNS service. |
| 17:06.15 | \amethyst | rootman: I used to host my own DNS over a cable connection |
| 17:06.37 | \amethyst | rootman: then my ISP started blocking incoming ports 53 and 80, and I had to get a real hosting site |
| 17:06.37 | blj | rootman: call them !? |
| 17:06.42 | jome | Good day, fine sirs |
| 17:06.47 | jome | I've got a few md-devices (RAID) and now am going to select partition type. Is it possible to select "physical volume for encryption" and have it work? Since it says physical volume I get confused (yet it's available on my md* devices!). |
| 17:07.05 | rootman | Okay.... I guess I'll work with godaddy on this some more. |
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| 17:07.21 | abrotman | i'd do my own dns if i had my own personal server |
| 17:07.25 | \amethyst | my current host lets me supply my own zone files, but that's mostly because I've done work for them in the past and they trust me |
| 17:07.55 | blj | rootman: soemthing like this might help http://help.shopify.com/design/show/Godaddy+DNS+Setup |
| 17:08.07 | rootman | thanks |
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| 17:11.45 | asas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.55 | asas | anyone know the problem? |
| 17:11.57 | lbt | !blacklist |
| 17:11.57 | cyzie | hi, im using ppp to dial to my isp for adsl inet connection. i have uncomment persist in the file /etc/ppp/options . however, soemtime i still get the disconnect and it would not dial to my isp. how do i ensure 100% it will autodial until success? |
| 17:11.57 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 17:12.04 | lbt | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 17:12.04 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 17:14.55 | fbhjr | I have installed a stock kernel (2.6.22-3-686) after many years of custom compiling kernels, and wonder if I need to compile custom to use console framebuffer. CONFIG_FB_VESA is set in the stock kernel, but no console framebuffer is present when booting |
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| 17:16.11 | xand | !framebuffer |
| 17:16.11 | dpkg | i guess framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
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| 17:16.29 | leleobhz | someone have installed debian in raid 0 soft sata raid? |
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| 17:17.46 | JeffH | Anyone know why libwww-mechanize-shell-perl doesn't seem to be in the stable repository? |
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| 17:18.45 | \amethyst | JeffH: because it wasn't packaged for Debian until August, and Etch was released in April |
| 17:18.59 | JeffH | I see. |
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| 17:19.27 | JeffH | wonder if there's a backports somewhere. |
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| 17:19.42 | \amethyst | JeffH: it has a lot of other dependencies that aren't in etch |
| 17:19.45 | xand | hmm, is it possible to get the netinstall boot cd to use ttyS0 as the console? |
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| 17:21.26 | InsolitWork | not sure if this is the right channel for this question, but can i create more than one tunnel with just one ssh connection? |
| 17:21.54 | \amethyst | JeffH: actually, it looks like only libhook-lexwrap-perl and libwww-mechanize-formfiller-perl aren't available for etch |
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| 17:23.32 | JeffH | I guess its time I learn how to use cpan |
| 17:23.42 | \amethyst | JeffH: the simple sid backport instructions might be sufficient |
| 17:23.56 | xstation1 | abortman: that seems to have do it---thankyou |
| 17:24.02 | JeffH | where do I get those? |
| 17:24.05 | \amethyst | JeffH: or look at dh-make-perl |
| 17:24.09 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 17:24.09 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 17:24.13 | asas | [2007/11/10 18:17:39, 1] nsswitch/winbindd_ads.c:ads_cached_connection(114) |
| 17:24.13 | asas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.17 | asas | why i have this error? |
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| 17:25.29 | \amethyst | JeffH: you'll have to do the two non-etch dependencies first, of course |
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| 17:31.34 | mrrcp | Anyone know of a GOOD VPN Server for debian |
| 17:31.35 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 17:31.47 | Nyle_ | openvpn |
| 17:32.05 | Nyle_ | !openvpn |
| 17:32.05 | dpkg | well, openvpn is at http://openvpn.net |
| 17:32.09 | asas | anyone know samba as ADS? |
| 17:32.34 | abrotman | asas: it said you were in the domain |
| 17:32.41 | mrrcp | Nyle_ is there a gui to it or anything |
| 17:32.45 | Nyle_ | no clue |
| 17:32.45 | mrrcp | to setup it |
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| 17:32.51 | Nyle_ | go find out |
| 17:32.53 | abrotman | mrrcp: read the documentation |
| 17:33.04 | Nyle_ | let me know too when you do |
| 17:33.06 | abrotman | !vpn |
| 17:33.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/ |
| 17:33.08 | asas | i have this error |
| 17:33.08 | asas | master:~# net ads join -U administrador@grupodeltron.com |
| 17:33.09 | asas | administrador@grupodeltron.com's password: |
| 17:33.09 | asas | [2007/11/10 18:31:33, 0] utils/net_ads.c:ads_startup(289) |
| 17:33.09 | asas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.42 | Wettoad | anyword on ftp-master? |
| 17:38.52 | dutchfish | no yet |
| 17:38.56 | Wettoad | thanks |
| 17:39.10 | guillaume1 | I have a bug in gnome-panel under testing -> http://pastebin.com/deaa1d67 |
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| 17:41.10 | cyzie | hi, im using ppp to dial to my isp for adsl inet connection. i have uncomment persist in the file /etc/ppp/options . however, soemtime i still get the disconnect and it would not dial to my isp. how do i ensure 100% it will autodial until success? |
| 17:42.20 | dutchfish | cyzie, i thought persistent ment bob till you drop |
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| 17:46.11 | cyzie | dutchfish, are you sure? |
| 17:46.21 | xand | cyzie: have you put it in /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 17:46.33 | dutchfish | cyzie, and maybe this helps: http://osdir.com/ml/security.ipcop.user/2003-06/msg00618.html |
| 17:46.45 | xand | with "auto dsl-provider" or similar |
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| 17:48.11 | cyzie | xand, yes, i have auto dsl-provider in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:50.08 | InsolitWork | is there a way when running a script that executes commands, to execute those commands with two different forks? |
| 17:51.38 | dutchfish | InsolitWork, http://www.webservertalk.com/archive99-2006-10-1696010.html |
| 17:51.40 | minus | hm... |
| 17:51.45 | minus | fedora core 8... |
| 17:51.51 | minus | maybe I should try it out... |
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| 17:52.51 | cyzie | thank dutchfish that should be bullet proof to ensure 2nd layer of 100% to stay connect to the net |
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| 17:53.47 | xand | is there a way of accessing a keyboard for reading data other than as stdin? |
| 17:53.54 | guillaume1 | I have a bug in gnome-panel under testing -> http://pastebin.com/deaa1d67 . can you tell me if I have to report it with reportbug or not plse ? |
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| 17:54.21 | dutchfish | xand, you mean piping? |
| 17:54.26 | xand | if it's not already reported, report it |
| 17:54.53 | xand | dutchfish: I mean, I don't want it to be treated as a keyboard but like a serial port or something I can read data from into a program :| |
| 17:55.18 | xand | it's not actually a keyboard but uses that interface and the pc sees it as a keyboard |
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| 17:56.20 | dutchfish | xand, you mean this? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/554 |
| 17:56.26 | guillaume1 | xand: sometime maintainer don't like that, that's why I wanna know if it's a real bug or not |
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| 17:57.43 | xand | dutchfish: no. |
| 17:58.00 | xand | I'm talking about treating a PS/2 device as a serial one |
| 17:59.47 | Honeyman | Hi all. I have a router with lartc-described setup (how to route the reply to the same interface, where the request was originated - see http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html) - "ip route" based, several tables, etc etc. |
| 17:59.51 | Honeyman | Can someone hint please, what should I do, if I just want to add a rule to describe, that the packets to some new (not previously described anywhere) network should be routed over one of the already available IPs? E.g., I already have networks net1, net2, net3 (for example, 192.168.(1,2,3).0/24) and now I want to describe that requests to 192.168.4.0/24 should be routed to 192.168.1.17? |
| 17:59.54 | Honeyman | Is it enough to me to do "ip route 192.168.0.4/24 via 192.168.1.17" (hence the rule goes to "main" ip route table)? Or should I do (instead? besides that?) also "ip route 192.168.0.4/24 via 192.168.1.17 table net1" for each table (net1, net2, net3)? Or should I do something more complex like creating a new table? |
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| 18:01.24 | dutchfish | xand, i dont know a solution other then hardware cables to connect to serial, sorry |
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| 18:03.06 | ap0c0lyps3 | /mng dpkg no public key |
| 18:03.45 | dutchfish | xand, but maybe there is a solution through getty, not sure |
| 18:03.51 | cahoot | s/mng/msg/ |
| 18:04.38 | ap0c0lyps3 | sorry typo |
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| 18:04.59 | ap0c0lyps3 | so whats the topic |
| 18:05.04 | minus | Hey ppl.. Can I put a Fedora Core 8 Live CD image on my iPod and boot and install from that? |
| 18:05.35 | dutchfish | !fedora |
| 18:05.35 | dpkg | Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, altough it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the comunity: #fedora http://fedoraproject.org/ |
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| 18:06.21 | xand | minus: install what? |
| 18:06.30 | minus | dutchfish, I'm using debian right now.. so.. |
| 18:06.55 | xand | minus: you want help installing fedora? |
| 18:07.10 | minus | xand, I want to put a Fedora Core LiveCD ISO image on my iPod cause I don't have a CD to burn on, and use my iPod to boot the LiveCD image |
| 18:07.16 | minus | xand, no.. |
| 18:07.21 | guillaume1 | i'm reading bugs with reportbug, do you know how can I jump from one bug detail to another ? |
| 18:07.24 | xand | go ask #fedora |
| 18:07.39 | xand | debian'll install to a usb harddisk |
| 18:07.51 | mrrcp | webmin loacted anywhere with a debian installer |
| 18:08.04 | dutchfish | minus, you mean using it as storage-device from within debian? |
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| 18:08.09 | xand | webmin was removed from debian |
| 18:08.17 | fbhjr | If I need a tdfx framebuffer module from a stock kernel to load at boot, thus enabling the console framebuffer, how do I make it so? Must I redo the initrd? |
| 18:08.27 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 18:08.28 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 18:08.31 | mrrcp | ahh |
| 18:08.51 | siplex | hello everybody |
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| 18:09.49 | minus198 | dutchfish, the question is: "Can I put a bootable Image on my iPod and start the bootable image from BIOS" |
| 18:10.07 | ap0c0lyps3 | is i want to compile a new kernel will my old modules still be there? |
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| 18:10.15 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi guys. Is anyone familiar with the inner workings of xkb? |
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| 18:10.31 | cahoot | ap0c0lyps3: where? |
| 18:10.39 | siplex | i'm not able to install fglrx-driver, aptitude claims "No candidate version found for fglrx-driver", any ideas? |
| 18:10.40 | ap0c0lyps3 | in the new kernel |
| 18:10.45 | dutchfish | minus198, http://www.geocities.com/kymacpherson/ipod/linux_ipod.html |
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| 18:11.22 | dutchfish | minus198, if you can boot from it depends on your comp |
| 18:11.44 | dutchfish | minus198, you need syslinux also |
| 18:11.49 | eltopo | sup |
| 18:12.15 | ap0c0lyps3 | i take that as a no? |
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| 18:12.49 | cahoot | ap0c0lyps3: all depends on how you config |
| 18:12.53 | minus198 | dutchfish, You have totally missunderstood my question... |
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| 18:13.08 | ap0c0lyps3 | k thnx |
| 18:13.09 | dutchfish | minus198, enlighten me |
| 18:13.23 | aempi | hi again, i've got a package now that is not installed properly, i want to remove it now. i tried "apt-get -f install" "apt-get -f remove" and "apt-get clean" but the package seems to be still there :/ |
| 18:13.43 | czq | i have a question about the "Software selection" part of the installation, what will "Standard system" install? |
| 18:13.46 | ap0c0lyps3 | apt-get remove package-name |
| 18:14.06 | minus198 | dutchfish, I don't have a empty CD, and I want to try Fedora Core 8 out. So I need a media to boot the ISO bootable image from. And then I though: You can boot a bootable image from a USB stick, is it possible to boot from a iPod |
| 18:14.32 | Dave_is_sexy | aempi: annoying isn't it? May I reccomend Aptitude - the solution to all Debian install badness |
| 18:14.37 | dutchfish | minus198, i got that |
| 18:14.38 | czq | minus198: dont you need a dvd for FC8? |
| 18:14.39 | concept10 | am I the only person that uses the "most" pager? |
| 18:14.50 | minus198 | czq, nope... |
| 18:14.59 | minus198 | the image was 700MB or something |
| 18:15.00 | Eulex | czq, packages that are marked as standard, required or important. |
| 18:15.23 | minus198 | Anyways... Gonna try it out... |
| 18:15.24 | czq | Eulex: is the "Desktop environment" only Gnome? |
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| 18:15.47 | dutchfish | minus198, if you bios supports booting from such a device, why not, as i said you need syslinux installed to boot from it |
| 18:15.50 | Kartoffelsalat | can i download older releases od debian packages? |
| 18:16.01 | minus198 | ok |
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| 18:16.11 | Eulex | czq, yes, that's gnome. it's easy to install kde manually afterwards, though. |
| 18:16.38 | czq | ya |
| 18:16.40 | czq | i want neither |
| 18:16.43 | czq | :/ |
| 18:16.49 | czq | oh well, standard it is |
| 18:16.50 | aempi | i will try aptitude |
| 18:16.51 | ap0c0lyps3 | try xfce low memory footprint |
| 18:17.05 | dutchfish | minus198, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 |
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| 18:18.01 | dutchfish | minus198, for fedora simulair should be possible |
| 18:18.15 | dutchfish | minus198, for that ask #fedora |
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| 18:19.17 | aempi | but doesn't aptitude add more complexity to my problem? |
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| 18:19.34 | czq | then ill put on what i want |
| 18:19.34 | czq | itd be kind of nice if they allowed you to choose the WM/DE |
| 18:19.36 | aempi | i'm fine with apt-get, there is just this one package i can't remove |
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| 18:20.07 | dutchfish | aempi, dont mix aptitude with apt-get |
| 18:20.09 | i-need-wpa | Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection, howto get driver?? |
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| 18:20.16 | Kartoffelsalat | i need gcc version 4.1.3... where can i get it as an deb package? |
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| 18:20.23 | dutchfish | !tell aempi about aptitude |
| 18:20.25 | ap0c0lyps3 | I think madwifi works with that |
| 18:20.27 | Eulex | !ipw3945 |
| 18:20.27 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d |
| 18:20.44 | Eulex | ap0c0lyps3, nope. |
| 18:20.56 | ap0c0lyps3 | sorry my mistake |
| 18:21.02 | HardDisk_WP | how do I unpack a file with file output "ramdisk.dat: gzip compressed data, was "ramdisk.dat.initrd", from FAT filesystem (MS-DOS, OS/2, NT), last modified: Sat Feb 17 13:37:50 2007"? |
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| 18:21.09 | Arrick | hey all, I have a question about the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-dvd/ ..... it doesnt work, as in it shows a scrambld page, and no download.... Http download doesnt work either, page doesnt respond |
| 18:21.16 | HardDisk_WP | I want to find out if a company illegally used GPL code |
| 18:21.24 | Arrick | who do i contact to let them know yoru DL sites are down |
| 18:21.28 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, gunzip |
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| 18:21.52 | aempi | ok, i used apt-get the last days, and i want to continue that, "dave_is_sexy" just suggested i should use aptitude, but i dont want to install just more software, i just want to clean this dependency conflict, or whatever it is and remove the package |
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| 18:21.54 | Eulex | Arrick, works fine here. |
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| 18:22.20 | ap0c0lyps3 | then why don't you just delete the files |
| 18:22.23 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, doesn't work: marco@marco-laptop:~/Recovery Manager$ gunzip ramdisk.dat |
| 18:22.23 | HardDisk_WP | gzip: ramdisk.dat: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 18:22.34 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, 4.1.3 is not in stable nor testing, is it sid? |
| 18:22.37 | lavamind | hello, I'm looking for a way to compare two directory trees |
| 18:22.40 | Arrick | Eulex, not one download will start, the Http downloads dont respond, and the bittorrent shows a scrambled page when you try to dl it |
| 18:22.51 | aempi | i try to remove sun-java5-bin and he tells me, that sun-java5-jre depends on that. i want to tell apt-get that i dont care, because i want to remove everything related to java, to reinstall it, how do i do that? |
| 18:23.08 | Kartoffelsalat | dutchfish: i do not know. i use debian lenny/testing an i have gcc 4.2.3 |
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| 18:23.11 | i-need-wpa | Would I have to reboot knetworkmanager to make it work? |
| 18:23.14 | Maulkin | aempi: that works for me. Right click on the link and 'save target as' |
| 18:23.20 | aempi | :( |
| 18:23.22 | lavamind | I know diff exists for comparing two file's contents, but I haven't found anything for file/folder structures ... |
| 18:23.28 | Kartoffelsalat | dutchfish: but i need it for compiling a module for linux :/ |
| 18:23.43 | Eulex | Arrick, the torrents works fine here |
| 18:23.45 | Maulkin | HardDisk_WP: mv ramdisk.dat ramdisk.gz && gunzip ramdisk.gz |
| 18:23.51 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 18:24.08 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, if its there look at a repo in debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.1/ |
| 18:24.16 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, if its there look at a repo in debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.2/ |
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| 18:24.26 | Eulex | Arrick, iso-dvd starts downloading well too |
| 18:24.26 | Kartoffelsalat | dutchfish: where/how? |
| 18:24.50 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, a sec |
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| 18:25.29 | Arrick | Eulex, are you next door to the server or something, because i have 3 others in 3 other channels telling me thay dont work as well |
| 18:25.38 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, ftp://ftp1.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-4.2/ |
| 18:25.48 | Tramp | lavamind: what is wrong with diff -r? |
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| 18:26.00 | ap0c0lyps3 | remove the jre then apt-get won't complain |
| 18:26.07 | Arrick | Eulex, this is what i get from all the torrents, http://arrickspcs.com/dvd1torrent.png |
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| 18:26.21 | HardDisk_WP | Maulkin, that worked |
| 18:26.22 | i-need-wpa | how do I update all packages? |
| 18:26.23 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 18:26.34 | HardDisk_WP | now I only need to unpack the ramdisk :X |
| 18:26.50 | lavamind | Tramp, I've tried, but some directories have spaces in them, which results in extra operand error |
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| 18:27.42 | i-need-wpa | Is debian safe enough to put it in a DMZ constantly? |
| 18:28.25 | tarzeau | i-need-wpa: yes |
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| 18:28.38 | Arrick | i-need-wpa, if you can get it downloaded, probably |
| 18:28.40 | tarzeau | i-need-wpa: actually that's why you have a DMZ |
| 18:28.48 | Tramp | lavamind: hmm. don't get it. How could that matter? |
| 18:28.59 | tarzeau | i-need-wpa: if you can't put ANYTHING in your DMZ, something's wrong |
| 18:29.06 | dutchfish | i-need-wpa, sure |
| 18:29.26 | lavamind | Tramp, for example : diff: extra operand `./My Documents/AECSL' |
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| 18:29.36 | Kartoffelsalat | dutchfish: i have not found gcc 4.1.3 - do i need to compile linux myself? :( (i am a few minutes away) |
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| 18:30.03 | \amethyst | traditional diff format has some problems with spaces |
| 18:30.06 | lavamind | Tramp, even though I've escaped the space in the command line |
| 18:30.14 | ap0c0lyps3 | you can't compile without gcc |
| 18:30.15 | i-need-wpa | Is wpa setup easy with debian? I'm going to need EAP TKIP and login with domain, username, and password? |
| 18:30.25 | \amethyst | lavamind: how are you diffing them, from a script? |
| 18:30.36 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, what you are trying to achive? |
| 18:30.44 | lavamind | \amethyst, from the command line (bash) |
| 18:30.57 | \amethyst | lavamind: what exactly are you typing? |
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| 18:31.22 | i-need-wpa | I just installed a kernel image or something now, is there a probabol reason why? |
| 18:31.26 | Arrick | it looks like im gona be stock downloadin 15+ cd's if they even work |
| 18:31.39 | lavamind | \amethyst, diff -r ./My\ Documents ./Somefolder/My\ Documents |
| 18:31.50 | Eulex | Arrick, apparently your browser is broken and is trying to display the torrent as text. |
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| 18:32.01 | i-need-wpa | Perl complains about my languae |
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| 18:32.40 | Arrick | I'll say one thing, my browser isnt broken, the second dvd torrent downloads, but none of the others Eulex so maybe someone needs to fix something on the server |
| 18:32.46 | i-need-wpa | !pastebin |
| 18:32.47 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 18:32.48 | Arrick | and the iso-dvd doesnt even open |
| 18:32.48 | \amethyst | lavamind: and diff gives you errors there? |
| 18:33.37 | Arrick | and the first cd one doesnt dl either, but the second and third do |
| 18:33.42 | lavamind | \amethyst, yep : diff: extra operand `./My Documents/AECSL' |
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| 18:33.49 | Arrick | so something is definately wrong on the server end |
| 18:34.06 | dutchfish | Arrick, i just mad enew dvd iso with jigdo from repo, i can asure you they are fine |
| 18:34.08 | i-need-wpa | what does this mean? http://paste.lisp.org/display/50613 SHould I change languae? |
| 18:34.13 | mikes | hello all. ftp-master is on again? |
| 18:34.17 | lavamind | \amethyst, --version : diff (GNU diffutils) 2.8.1 |
| 18:34.24 | Eulex | Arrick, what does cdimage.debian.org resolve to for you? |
| 18:34.32 | dutchfish | mikes, not yet |
| 18:34.32 | Arrick | dutchfish, does that take somethign special to use it? |
| 18:35.01 | Arrick | 130.239.18.137 |
| 18:35.01 | Eulex | Arrick, because I think it's supposed to resolve to different servers depending on where in the world you are. |
| 18:35.04 | dutchfish | !jigdo |
| 18:35.04 | dpkg | somebody said jigdo was *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 18:35.12 | Eulex | Arrick, actually, same here |
| 18:35.34 | Arrick | Im in Michigan USA |
| 18:35.39 | Eulex | Arrick, you don't have a http proxy in between you and the internet? |
| 18:35.43 | Arrick | nope |
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| 18:35.53 | AciD | kmymoney2 on Debian can t open a .kmy file, while the same file is ok on another distro (ubuntu). What s weird is that dpkg shows that it s the exact same version number: 0.8.7-2. Cant t find any bugs on the -unknown payee- problem on the bts |
| 18:35.58 | Eulex | Arrick, interesting, 130.239.18.137 is ftp.acc.umu.se. |
| 18:36.03 | Arrick | correct |
| 18:36.03 | \amethyst | lavamind: string, I have no problems doing the same thing.. unless the filenames have tabs |
| 18:36.08 | AciD | is that a debian-only pb ? |
| 18:36.14 | \amethyst | lavamind: what are you doing, anyway? |
| 18:36.18 | guillaume1 | is it normal that I have little connection shutdown under wpa/wifi ? |
| 18:36.34 | \amethyst | lavamind: comparing two directory trees... to what purpose? what do you need to do with the results? |
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| 18:36.41 | \amethyst | what results do you need exactly? |
| 18:36.51 | Eulex | Arrick, fyi, the torrents work here in both firefox and konqueror. |
| 18:37.13 | Arrick | ff doesnt work for it here, gives the same thing |
| 18:37.20 | lavamind | i need to merge the contents of these two folders, so I'd like to find out which files are newer in either trees |
| 18:37.31 | \amethyst | lavamind: do you know about rsync? |
| 18:37.50 | dutchfish | http://merkel.debian.org/~jeroen/mirrorstatus.html |
| 18:37.53 | Arrick | and i cant use jigdo until *after* I have a linux distro, because apt-get doesnt work on Windows |
| 18:38.11 | \amethyst | lavamind: install it and read the docs. It can keep them in sync, or with -n do a dry run (show you what it would do to get them in sync, but not actually do it) |
| 18:38.24 | lavamind | I'd like to do it manually, it's a one time operation, so I'd just like the relevant information and make decisions about which versi<ons to keep |
| 18:39.09 | i-need-wpa | LANGUAGE = (unset), how do I set the languae? |
| 18:39.21 | dutchfish | Arrick, wrong: http://www.uk.debian.org/~costar/jigdo/ |
| 18:39.26 | \amethyst | lavamind: rsync -n the two trees then |
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| 18:39.30 | lavamind | hrmm i suppose rsync can output what its about to do without doing it, as in a verbose dry run ? that would do it |
| 18:39.35 | \amethyst | lavamind: -vn |
| 18:40.01 | lavamind | \amethyst, alright that sound like just about what i need, thanks |
| 18:40.08 | \amethyst | lavamind: you'll also want --delete if you want it to show files that are only present in the destination |
| 18:40.15 | Arrick | thanks dutchfish |
| 18:40.32 | dutchfish | Arrick, yw |
| 18:40.36 | lavamind | \amethyst, ok, thanks, I'll read the doc |
| 18:42.31 | Arrick | dutchfish, error when running, http://arrickspcs.com/jigdoerror.png |
| 18:42.47 | i-need-wpa | Why would perl say this? LANGUAGE = (unset), |
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| 18:43.27 | dutchfish | Arrick, no idee read the http://www.uk.debian.org/~costar/jigdo/README.jigdo-easy.txt |
| 18:43.42 | Arrick | reading now |
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| 18:44.37 | mikes | i-need-wpa: i think that it's a locale issue |
| 18:44.44 | i-need-wpa | Hot to fix? |
| 18:44.52 | mikes | do a dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:45.10 | mikes | i-need-wpa: as root |
| 18:45.21 | roue | hola |
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| 18:46.27 | roue | I'm running etch and trying to set up xen. my motherboard's sata controller only works with lilo, though (grub says error 21 on bootup). Does anyone know if Xen works with lilo? Alternatively, I've banged my head against the lilo problem for a while, but if someone has ideas about how to fix it that would be great too. thanks. |
| 18:46.56 | roue | (grub error 21 problem that is) |
| 18:47.02 | i-need-wpa | mikes: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") |
| 18:47.29 | Nyle_ | google for grub error 21 |
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| 18:48.23 | roue | Nyle_ I've done that quite a bit. followed many of the suggestions, come up with zip. |
| 18:48.34 | blinx | how can I tell lvcreate to use the left space for a new logical volume? |
| 18:48.36 | blinx | !lvm |
| 18:48.36 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 18:48.36 | Nyle_ | I never messed around with Xen |
| 18:49.25 | rmaj | some awesome developer made a bug in krusader, I think it is a one line fix |
| 18:49.39 | rmaj | any chance we can get that fix this millenium to experimental? |
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| 18:49.55 | dutchfish | xen is not able to boot xen kernels by default |
| 18:50.07 | rmaj | sorting order is always: aaa bbb ____ccc (wtf) ddd instead ___ccc aaa bbb ddd |
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| 18:50.48 | dutchfish | roue, http://cyril.bouthors.org/blog/index/2006/08/17/16-xen-lilo |
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| 18:51.06 | roue | thanks dutchfish |
| 18:51.18 | dutchfish | roue, sorry they took this link down |
| 18:51.24 | Maulkin | rmaj: What's your bug number? |
| 18:51.31 | dutchfish | roue, hold on |
| 18:51.58 | lavamind | \amethyst, rsync -rvn just outputs a list of files ... |
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| 18:52.23 | rmaj | Maulkin: I can report in a moment. the question is is there any point, perhaps file systems will be deprecated at the time when that fix arrives to debian, basing on past experience... |
| 18:52.34 | roue | dutchfish I think I've found the article |
| 18:53.16 | Maulkin | rmaj: do you actually have a question, or are you just here to troll? |
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| 18:53.29 | dutchfish | roue, ok |
| 18:53.32 | rmaj | Maulkin: how fast can a simple fix get to testing |
| 18:53.37 | Maulkin | rmaj: 10 days |
| 18:53.39 | rmaj | if I code it, for example |
| 18:53.40 | Kartoffelsalat | dutchfish: i want to compile the vmware module for myy kernel |
| 18:54.05 | rmaj | Maulkin: and to testing? |
| 18:54.09 | Maulkin | rmaj: 10 days |
| 18:54.10 | dutchfish | Kartoffelsalat, cant help you with that, dont no zilch about vmware |
| 18:54.16 | rmaj | blah, I ment to experimental |
| 18:54.21 | Kartoffelsalat | i compiled with newer gcc versions (newer than the kernels gcc compiler) |
| 18:54.33 | rmaj | Maulkin: so I just apt-get source, then fix and send the diff? |
| 18:54.34 | Maulkin | In theory, about 5 mins |
| 18:54.52 | Maulkin | rmaj: That would work. |
| 18:55.07 | rmaj | how to build & install if I am inside downloaded sources dir |
| 18:55.18 | Maulkin | man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:56.58 | rmaj | is it true god will spawn a kitten for me when I contribute an usefull patch? |
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| 18:57.52 | Maulkin | rmaj: No, but if you randomly complain without doing anything about it, I'll kill one. So the net effect is the same. |
| 18:58.32 | limpio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.20 | mrrcp | anyone know why i keep getting this? mkdir /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/keys |
| 19:00.23 | mrrcp | bah |
| 19:00.34 | mrrcp | rpserver:/etc/openvpn/easy-rsa# ./clean-all |
| 19:00.34 | mrrcp | you must define KEY_DIR |
| 19:00.48 | sdubois92 | i am trying to build pidgin and it says i need GLIB 2.0 development headers |
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| 19:03.57 | amphi | sdubois92: install the -dev package |
| 19:04.32 | sdubois92 | amphi: i tried libglib2.0-data |
| 19:04.41 | sdubois92 | and libglib2.0-0 |
| 19:04.43 | sdubois92 | didnt work |
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| 19:04.47 | amphi | sdubois92: no |
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| 19:11.13 | qrck | how can i turn off the scrollback limit off for tty terminals ? |
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| 19:18.49 | dutchfish | qrck, You can't increase the amount of scrollback, because it is implemented using the video memory to store the scrollback text. |
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| 19:20.23 | dutchfish | qrck, maybe reducing the total number of VC's? look at linux/tty.h |
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| 19:21.07 | xingu | dutchfish: not totally true, CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK |
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| 19:21.33 | dutchfish | xingu, didnt know that, thx |
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| 19:25.33 | dutchfish | xingu, VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK_SIZE ? |
| 19:26.08 | dutchfish | xingu, it just crashed my xen domU |
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| 19:27.13 | mrrcp | hmm |
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| 19:29.23 | xingu | dutchfish: neat :) |
| 19:29.48 | Nyle | dutchfish: hm |
| 19:29.57 | Nyle | fish have nationalities too |
| 19:30.02 | Nyle | hmm |
| 19:30.03 | dutchfish | xingu, stupid me, i need it in dom)'s kernel, not domU |
| 19:30.26 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 19:30.26 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 19:30.42 | Nyle | that is a load of gargabe |
| 19:30.47 | xingu | Nyle: most of them seem to be icelandic according to the eu |
| 19:31.14 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 19:31.25 | Maulkin | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll take the boat out to the middle of the lake, get pissed, and come home with nothing" |
| 19:31.48 | dalias | !fire |
| 19:31.48 | dpkg | fire is, like, "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 19:31.58 | dutchfish | and hit im with a fish and never goes out for fishing |
| 19:32.03 | Nyle | Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll have to get a fishing liscence, rent boat time, buy fishing equipment, a net, maybe a fishing rod, then he has to have money for other supplies, then he has to get a permit/liscense for an open flame if he wishes to cook it, then he has to pay sanitation department to take the scales away otherwise he will get a ticket if he just dumps them somewhere |
| 19:32.09 | Nyle | so as you can see |
| 19:32.13 | Nyle | its a load of bullshit |
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| 19:32.20 | Nyle | it doesn't work, or hold up |
| 19:32.22 | Nyle | thanks |
| 19:32.30 | dalias | nyle, the fire one holds up tho |
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| 19:32.59 | Nyle | well |
| 19:33.13 | Nyle | i guess he will be 'warm' for the 'rest' of his life ;) |
| 19:33.32 | dutchfish | lol |
| 19:34.01 | Nyle | don't teach a man to fish |
| 19:34.09 | Nyle | tell the man to get a job and buy fish at the super market |
| 19:34.12 | Nyle | seriously |
| 19:34.15 | Nyle | lot less hassle |
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| 19:34.27 | shogunx | you could teach him how to dumpster dive. that would work. |
| 19:34.33 | Nyle | well |
| 19:34.35 | dutchfish | i just looking for a new car 1 month of more savings: http://www.teslamotors.com/ |
| 19:34.36 | Nyle | heh. |
| 19:34.48 | Nyle | cool |
| 19:34.54 | Nyle | i just bought a car few years ago so I'm st |
| 19:34.55 | Nyle | set |
| 19:35.38 | dutchfish | Nyle, there phrase was: burn rubber not gasoline ... very cool |
| 19:35.46 | guillaume1 | can someone help me with setup of gpsman and a bluetooth holux gpslim 236 ? |
| 19:35.47 | Nyle | cool |
| 19:35.54 | xingu | no point teaching a man to fish if you don't teach him how to scale and gut them; and if you do, not only will his sense of fashion disappear like fried chicken near oprah, he'll reek of them forever. |
| 19:35.55 | shogunx | seen this: http://xlr8sun.com ? |
| 19:36.21 | Nyle | xingu: and a blind man would walk past him, and say, "mmm.. good morning ladies" |
| 19:36.23 | Nyle | HAHAHA |
| 19:36.25 | Nyle | :D |
| 19:36.48 | Tramp | some men can't be taught anything with reasonable effort. |
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| 19:37.08 | Tramp | they're better off with being given a fish. |
| 19:37.21 | Nyle | what does it matter |
| 19:37.21 | xingu | learning is something one does, not something that is done to one |
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| 19:37.34 | Nyle | after 50-60 years, if that, you're gone |
| 19:38.02 | xingu | Nyle: especially if you're eating fish filled with mercury |
| 19:38.06 | leleobhz | someone know how can i avoid the debian installer install the selinux and selinux polices? |
| 19:38.10 | Nyle | mercury |
| 19:38.13 | Nyle | selinux? |
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| 19:38.26 | leleobhz | because it causes a crash on my system |
| 19:38.36 | Nyle | leleobhz: I have no idea, however I can maybe suggest priority=low |
| 19:38.53 | Nyle | as a kernel parameter, which gives you many more options in the debian install menu |
| 19:38.57 | leleobhz | even magic keys doesnt work after the crash |
| 19:39.04 | Nyle | maybe that will help, but I don't know what selinux is |
| 19:39.10 | Nyle | magic keys |
| 19:39.15 | leleobhz | Nyle: sysrq |
| 19:39.18 | leleobhz | ;] |
| 19:39.23 | shogunx | i was once in st augustine, fl, squatting on an abandoned 16 room mansion. one day i got hungry, so i walked to the river. along the way, i bummed a hook. i had some hemp string. when i got to the river, a guy gave me a mullet for bait. i caught a 4 pound catfish, cleaned it with a borrowed knife, and cooked it on a 500 year old coquina grill. best fish dinner of my life. |
| 19:39.31 | leleobhz | Nyle: selinux is the worst thing ive seen |
| 19:39.32 | Nyle | i just know how to check my email on browser |
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| 19:39.38 | Nyle | i don't know nothing |
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| 19:39.41 | Nyle | :( |
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| 19:40.05 | leleobhz | Nyle: but know how can i avoid d-i to install the package? |
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| 19:40.26 | leleobhz | because the lockup comes while the postconfigure runs |
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| 19:40.41 | Nyle | no idea man |
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| 19:41.12 | leleobhz | anyway thanks Nyle ! |
| 19:41.12 | Nyle | at which point/step in the installation does this happen? |
| 19:43.19 | Nyle | !selinux |
| 19:43.19 | Nyle | !selinux |
| 19:43.20 | dpkg | i heard selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 19:43.20 | massctrl | anyone knows a good domain registrar that hosts the dns and offers a web application to handle dns records yourself ? |
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| 19:43.30 | Nyle | cricket just had a world cup too |
| 19:43.30 | Nyle | I think india won |
| 19:43.30 | shogunx | massctrl, check gandi.net |
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| 19:44.41 | sauvin | !@#$!@% |
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| 19:45.25 | lavamind | massctrl, I second gandi.net, great registrar |
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| 19:49.02 | keith342 | how do I enable XvMC? |
| 19:50.26 | keith342 | whoops wrong channel |
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| 20:00.59 | xingu | motherf-er. |
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| 20:01.30 | xingu | somehow, cricket's collect-subtrees had left a lockfile in /tmp; because, get this, one of the targets it was collecting on, *happened* to coldstart during collection |
| 20:01.56 | somian[0] | xingu: that almost made sense but not really ;-} |
| 20:02.27 | xingu | did it log anything? did it _fairycakes_ |
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| 20:03.11 | xingu | just toes up and black death of doom; worse, running the same command as su, doesn't replicate the fault |
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| 20:03.49 | xingu | so here's me wildly blaming everything from the phase of the moon to the smell of the fish market down the road... |
| 20:03.57 | jelly-home | xingu: which version? our cricket woks well when a machine is unavailable |
| 20:04.09 | xingu | jelly-home: sidly-current |
| 20:04.11 | Nyle | somian[0]: dude what the fuck |
| 20:04.16 | Nyle | don't message me again |
| 20:04.17 | jelly-home | mm, wokked crickets |
| 20:04.42 | somian[0] | .oO(Oh, he's on about boating ...) |
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| 20:05.26 | xingu | jelly-home: device that coldstarted came back up with a config that was an snmp bit bucket (discard-all traffic, not even an icmp please feckoff, port filtered) |
| 20:06.06 | xingu | jelly-home: guessing that the poll started and never completed, probably timed out, causing cricket-collect wrapper to not prune the /tmp lockfile |
| 20:07.11 | jelly-home | xingu: hm. how much time did you lose anyway? |
| 20:07.14 | jelly-home | ah |
| 20:07.15 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 20:07.46 | xingu | jelly-home: across all targets too :| just as well this a play system while I get to grips with its wonk |
| 20:08.07 | xingu | jelly-home: I think cricket-collect will be invited to leave any real deployment I build for this reason :) |
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| 20:13.24 | jelly-home | xingu: it shouldn't be too hard to reproduce your guessed cause, just put an exec OID /path/to/script-that-DROPs-snmp into snmpd.conf on a machine |
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| 20:15.05 | jelly-home | I've half a mind to try it on a machine right now to see if it'll confuse our Cricket version 1.0.5 (2004-03-28) :-) |
| 20:15.20 | xingu | jelly-home: pretty sure this is it, I have a brace of events in syslog co-inciding with the same second where cricket-collect fired |
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| 20:22.50 | Cope | I have 2 300G usb disks; for redunancy, which would be better? using software raid1? or an rsync job between the two? |
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| 20:23.46 | keith342 | software raid |
| 20:23.51 | keith342 | without a doubt |
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| 20:25.09 | keith342 | Cope: just make sure you setup nullmailer or such, so it can email you when a disk dies |
| 20:25.25 | keith342 | i almost like 600G of media last week, because I didn't realize a disk in a raid 5 had died weeks ago |
| 20:25.33 | Cope | dpkg: tell cope about nullmailer |
| 20:25.33 | keith342 | uh.... like=lost |
| 20:26.18 | Cope | I am not sure if these disks can be monitored with smart tools |
| 20:26.29 | keith342 | doesn't matter....mdadm will notify you |
| 20:26.47 | keith342 | when a disk dies, it will remove it from the raid, run in degraded mode, and notify you |
| 20:26.52 | keith342 | (that's the theory, anyway) |
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| 20:28.18 | Cope | ah ok |
| 20:28.21 | jelly-home | Cope: ATA<->USB chips typically provide only the bare minimum of commands, and that does not include passthru needed to have SMART working |
| 20:28.53 | Cope | so do mdutils log to syslog? |
| 20:30.19 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:30.39 | Ace2016 | how do i convert cue/bin files to an iso file? |
| 20:32.15 | Tramp | Ace2016: maybe with bchunk |
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| 20:33.05 | Ace2016 | ok i'll try it |
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| 20:38.19 | jelly-home | Ace2016: or you can just burn them with cdrdao |
| 20:38.47 | Ace2016 | ok bchunk worked |
| 20:38.58 | Ace2016 | jelly-home: burning it would just be a waste of a disk |
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| 20:41.47 | xingu | (yes, debian net-snmp does ship with lmsensors mib) |
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| 20:43.01 | jelly-home | Ace2016: well, a single cd is worth less than my say half an hour spent searching for cue2iso |
| 20:43.57 | Ace2016 | but this info will more valuble in the long term, now i know what to use next time i have to use convert a cue/bin files to iso |
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| 20:45.01 | MsTke | hi, my monitor or my graphiccard doesnt like any 800x600 Resolution (or something higher than 1024*768) at this moment my startup screen shows up in a very strange stretched way, could anybody tell me how to handle it? |
| 20:45.31 | MsTke | I already got grub under my control by limiting the pool of resolutions |
| 20:46.03 | ElDiabolo | Is there a list of NAS devices (like the SLUG) and the like that are supported by debian (as a platform)? |
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| 20:56.38 | cico | why is Debian called as geek's OS where as ubuntu is called newbie's OS inspite of the fact that most of things are equally easy on both. to install a package, synaptic is there. for shell users, aptitude is there. in fact there are more number of packages in Debian which makes software installatoin easier than Ubuntu. |
| 20:56.57 | Kobaz | cico: marketing |
| 20:57.01 | cico | still then why Ubuntu is called as newbie's OS but Debian is considered tough? |
| 20:57.12 | tarzeau | cico: in debian you have to think which software you want |
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| 20:57.19 | tarzeau | cico: in ubuntu you don't have the choice |
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| 20:57.47 | cico | tarzeau: so in ubuntu also. In ubuntu by default gcc is not installed. I have to install gcc and then I'll find it can't locate the header files |
| 20:57.53 | cico | then I have to think and install build-essential also |
| 20:57.56 | cico | it's same in both. |
| 20:58.00 | tarzeau | cico: do you have other c compilers? |
| 20:58.04 | Kobaz | like i said... it's marketing |
| 20:58.06 | Kobaz | heh |
| 20:58.14 | cico | tarzeau: no |
| 20:58.19 | tarzeau | cico: see? |
| 20:58.22 | Kobaz | it's the same os, some different things here and there, but essentially the same |
| 20:58.28 | Kobaz | it's like redhat/centos/fedora |
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| 20:58.41 | Kobaz | they are all pretty much exactly the same |
| 20:58.46 | cico | but I don't see any reason why Debian should be considered tough. |
| 20:58.55 | tarzeau | cico: neither do i |
| 20:59.08 | tarzeau | Kobaz: except some of them have more/newer software than the others |
| 20:59.11 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 20:59.22 | xingu | flawed premise; "called by whom" "considered by whom" etc. |
| 20:59.24 | Kobaz | but the underlying stuff is all the same |
| 20:59.25 | cico | people have a feeling that Debian is only for hard-core geeks. one of my colleague installed Debian and said he has now switched to the geekiest Linux. |
| 20:59.26 | xingu | OT, in any case. |
| 20:59.33 | xingu | which people |
| 20:59.40 | Kobaz | cico: LFS is the geekest of linux |
| 20:59.52 | cico | I installed Debian and found its more beautiful and more handy than Ubuntu. |
| 20:59.55 | xingu | sauvin's all nerd |
| 20:59.59 | tarzeau | cico: debian is not only for hard-core geeks. it's just the universal os |
| 21:00.07 | Kobaz | debian > * |
| 21:00.10 | tarzeau | cico: then use it :) |
| 21:00.17 | tarzeau | Kobaz: * that is free software |
| 21:00.32 | tarzeau | Kobaz: there's some stuff here and there which is just nicer elsewhere |
| 21:00.41 | cico | tarzeau: I am using it for the past 6 months. I was just wondering why such a different mindset of people for both the OS. |
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| 21:01.06 | Kobaz | i haven't found anything that's nicer outside of debian |
| 21:01.28 | tarzeau | cico: maybe because ubuntu just forked debian (keeping them in sync though, half yearly and partly more) |
| 21:01.31 | Kobaz | and alot of those nicities found in other distros, are just packages that happen to come with it, that can also be easily run on a debian system |
| 21:01.47 | Kobaz | so i don't consider them to be outside of debian |
| 21:01.49 | tarzeau | Kobaz: i don't talk linux only, or free software only |
| 21:01.52 | cico | exactly. I agree with Kobaz. |
| 21:02.20 | Kobaz | tarzeau: heh, non-free stuff mostly is crappy, safe for a few things |
| 21:02.27 | Kobaz | save |
| 21:02.33 | Kobaz | s/safe/save |
| 21:02.49 | Kobaz | we use fedora in the office |
| 21:02.50 | Kobaz | ack |
| 21:02.50 | tarzeau | Kobaz: i disagree |
| 21:02.52 | Kobaz | yum is so slow |
| 21:02.55 | ElDiabolo | oracle is one of the few exceptions |
| 21:03.06 | tarzeau | ElDiabolo: yuck |
| 21:03.14 | Sashi | apt-get is fast :P |
| 21:03.22 | Sashi | oracle? |
| 21:03.37 | tarzeau | Sashi: definitely faster than aptitude |
| 21:03.39 | abrotman | the database ? |
| 21:03.43 | Kobaz | tarzeau: if you make a list of non-free programs, i bet you we can come up with free software alternatives for a large percentage of that list that are just as good (if not better) |
| 21:03.44 | ElDiabolo | tarzeau: And sadly they do not have the idea to make it OS. |
| 21:03.47 | tarzeau | hardly the oracle in nethack |
| 21:03.59 | tarzeau | ElDiabolo: i don't care |
| 21:04.03 | Sashi | orcale? isnt that a DB type? |
| 21:04.04 | abrotman | Kobaz: that's extremely subjective |
| 21:04.06 | tarzeau | ElDiabolo: i've seen better software |
| 21:04.27 | Kobaz | abrotman: abrotman everything is subjective |
| 21:04.27 | tarzeau | Kobaz: you lose the bet then |
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| 21:04.30 | ElDiabolo | tarzeau: Better relational dbs? |
| 21:04.32 | tarzeau | Kobaz: if *I* make the list |
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| 21:04.38 | abrotman | Kobaz: no .. not really ... but that would be |
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| 21:05.32 | Kobaz | abrot: but what would be what? |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | is that even a question? |
| 21:06.08 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 21:06.09 | Kobaz | you said "but that would be" |
| 21:06.09 | Kobaz | i have no idea what you meant |
| 21:06.42 | abrotman | "that" is a list of free "better" than non-free |
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| 21:07.08 | Kobaz | well i said the same if not better |
| 21:07.15 | abrotman | still extremely subjective |
| 21:07.34 | Kobaz | but take your average linux person, and give him the list of non-free and free |
| 21:07.45 | Kobaz | i would think that that person would be okay with the list |
| 21:08.02 | Kobaz | for a decent percentage of it |
| 21:08.20 | Kobaz | there's always that "one thing (tm)" that the non-free has |
| 21:08.25 | Kobaz | so obviously not everyone will be happy |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | which means it's "subjective" .. 10 minutes later |
| 21:09.06 | Kobaz | i never said it wasn't |
| 21:09.10 | Kobaz | so i'm not sure what the issue is |
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| 21:10.14 | ElDiabolo | Actually there is some free software thats pretty crappy. osCommerce/xt:Commerce. |
| 21:10.15 | xingu | abrotman: give the poor man an empirical metric for "better" and put him out of his misery already :) |
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| 21:10.22 | Kobaz | ElDiabolo: yeap |
| 21:10.51 | Kobaz | there's tons of free software that should be shot and buried |
| 21:10.58 | tarzeau | Kobaz: ack |
| 21:10.59 | h3sp4wn | ElDiabolo: There is lots of free software that is crappy |
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| 21:11.24 | h3sp4wn | ElDiabolo: even that you use daily (xorg) |
| 21:11.27 | Zippy2 | kobaz! |
| 21:11.27 | Eulex | there's also lots of commercial software that is crappy. what's the difference? |
| 21:11.28 | xingu | h3sp4wn: that's what sourceforget is for, isn't it? |
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| 21:12.17 | Kobaz | zippy |
| 21:12.20 | Kobaz | where did you come from |
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| 21:12.25 | ElDiabolo | h3sp4wn: OK, in most cases I did not bother to read the sources. |
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| 21:13.02 | h3sp4wn | ElDiabolo: Me neither |
| 21:13.11 | Zippy2 | everywhere |
| 21:13.21 | Zippy2 | afk food |
| 21:13.29 | Kobaz | ElDiabolo: that's good, because many sources will give you seizures |
| 21:13.53 | h3sp4wn | ElDiabolo: but now I am using a non free xserver on my thinkpad and it performs so much better its untrue |
| 21:14.15 | Kobaz | heh |
| 21:14.29 | Kobaz | i haven't used a non-free xserver in like 10 years |
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| 21:15.34 | Maulkin | h3sp4wn: news to me, as the vast majority of DDs have thinkpads, and all run free X |
| 21:15.37 | h3sp4wn | I hadn't for maybe 8 years (from the exact same company) and it seems they still are as good as they were then (when both parties have the specs) |
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| 21:15.53 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: XiG? |
| 21:15.57 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: yep |
| 21:16.05 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: definately worth the money |
| 21:16.21 | abrotman | because xorg is crashy? |
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| 21:16.34 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: even for a common desktop user? |
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| 21:16.38 | xingu | it's a fast moving target, same old story |
| 21:16.41 | Ace2016 | In the memory usage log, whats buffer memory? |
| 21:16.47 | xingu | nothing's ever 100% complete :) |
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| 21:17.34 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: the price tag for the GL enabled version was unappealing the last time I took a look |
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| 21:18.04 | Eulex | h3sp4wn, out if interest, what graphics card have you got? |
| 21:18.49 | h3sp4wn | Eulex: radeon mobility M6 |
| 21:18.57 | Eulex | ok |
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| 21:19.07 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: it was interesting to see the performance can be done _way_ better than what Xorg does, though |
| 21:19.52 | xingu | jelly-home: um SGI proved that a *long* time ago. :) |
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| 21:20.08 | jelly-home | xingu: on same hardware? |
| 21:21.10 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: It doesn't crash |
| 21:21.11 | xingu | jelly-home: roughly speaking, the older boards are pretty naf by today's standards |
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| 21:21.21 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: yeah i have mobility x600, the fglrx drivers do suck, but they work :( |
| 21:21.22 | jelly-home | well, if it was worse hardware that would have been nice too :-) |
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| 21:21.35 | qbasicjedi | Ok, you f-ing debian people.... |
| 21:21.37 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: mine doesn't .. as long as acpi isn't involved ... |
| 21:21.44 | Kobaz | qbasicjedi: yeap that's us |
| 21:21.44 | qbasicjedi | I wanna download debian |
| 21:21.49 | abrotman | !d-i qbasicjedi |
| 21:21.49 | dpkg | qbasicjedi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:21.50 | qbasicjedi | but there's like 20 ISOs |
| 21:21.54 | qbasicjedi | Which do I get |
| 21:21.56 | abrotman | get the netinst |
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| 21:21.58 | Kobaz | qbasicjedi: get the debian net install |
| 21:22.04 | qbasicjedi | yeah, but... |
| 21:22.12 | qbasicjedi | I wanna get it with bittorrentt |
| 21:22.16 | Eulex | qbasicjedi, if you have wired internet on the box, get the netinst. |
| 21:22.22 | Kobaz | qbasicjedi: the net install is like 20 megs |
| 21:22.24 | Eulex | qbasicjedi, the netinst is ~140mb. |
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| 21:22.31 | Kobaz | qbasicjedi: you don't need torrent it |
| 21:22.32 | jelly-home | qbasicjedi: no need to, the mirrors are fast enough. |
| 21:22.33 | Eulex | Kobaz, untrue! |
| 21:22.35 | h3sp4wn | Kobaz: mine can use the free radeon driver or the $129 XiG xserver (I think it was worth the money) |
| 21:22.37 | abrotman | qbasicjedi: the netinst is only 130MB or so |
| 21:22.39 | Kobaz | Eulex: okay maybe a little bigger |
| 21:22.39 | qbasicjedi | Oh, alright |
| 21:22.50 | tarzeau | qbasicjedi: do you know www.freebasic.net ? |
| 21:22.57 | qbasicjedi | Yes |
| 21:23.07 | qbasicjedi | I've played with it |
| 21:23.09 | Polarina | GNOME within the testing repository is failing. When I right click a file and select Properties, it crashes. |
| 21:23.12 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: i should have gotten an nvidia board with my laptop |
| 21:23.16 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: well, low dollar makes the price more interesting. :-) |
| 21:23.21 | qbasicjedi | Anyway |
| 21:23.37 | Kobaz | h3sp4wn: i don't need 3d hardware accel, so i'm content with xorg |
| 21:23.40 | abrotman | Polarina: try with a fresh user .. if it persists .. file a bug |
| 21:23.44 | qbasicjedi | So, what is with all those 20 fricking ISOs? |
| 21:23.50 | qbasicjedi | Does it really take 20 ISOs?! |
| 21:23.53 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: does suspend/hibernate work? |
| 21:23.54 | Kobaz | qbasicjedi: debian has the most packages out of any other distro |
| 21:23.58 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: yes |
| 21:24.02 | jelly-home | ! |
| 21:24.04 | qbasicjedi | I knew that, but shit... |
| 21:24.17 | qbasicjedi | Why do they all have to be on the CDs? |
| 21:24.19 | Kobaz | qbasicjedi: if there's something you want, there's a high percentage of it being already a debian package... try that with fedora |
| 21:24.28 | Polarina | abrotman: The Bug Buddy tool appeared, and I filed the bug there, but then I got an e-mail mentioning that this bug is distro-specific and I should update to the latest version available, but I have already updated. |
| 21:24.28 | qbasicjedi | Wow |
| 21:24.30 | tarzeau | qbasicjedi: for the peoples without the INTERNET? |
| 21:24.37 | qbasicjedi | Well, I knew Debian kicked ass, but I never knew why. :D |
| 21:24.41 | abrotman | Polarina: so do what i just told you |
| 21:24.42 | Kobaz | hehe |
| 21:24.46 | qbasicjedi | People don't have the internet?! |
| 21:25.09 | Kobaz | qbasicjedi: i was looking for some random failover package.. and i'm like, hmm, i wonder if debian has it.... sure enough it's there |
| 21:25.10 | Polarina | abrotman: Ok, I'll do it as soon as I have a chance to. Thanks. |
| 21:25.11 | Eulex | qbasicjedi, if you have a box that is neither networked and has no dvd drive, you'd use them. but perhaps only get the ones you need. |
| 21:25.18 | qbasicjedi | Well, I suppsoe if I didn't have internet access, I'd have all the debian Cds and an image of the latest Wikipedia |
| 21:25.41 | Polarina | abrotman: But what should I do if it doesn't persist with a new user? |
| 21:25.43 | qbasicjedi | and some porn |
| 21:25.51 | Kobaz | yes, a requirement |
| 21:25.53 | abrotman | Polarina: fix your user .. or find the difference |
| 21:25.55 | qbasicjedi | Alright, netinst it is |
| 21:26.02 | Polarina | abrotman: Thank you. |
| 21:26.07 | qbasicjedi | How long does it take to install with the netinstal thingamajig? |
| 21:26.30 | Eulex | qbasicjedi, depends on how much you want to install and how fast your internet is. |
| 21:26.44 | qbasicjedi | I jsut got a letter yesterday from the telco |
| 21:26.47 | tarzeau | Eulex: and your harddisk/computer/memory |
| 21:26.53 | Eulex | yeah. |
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| 21:26.56 | qbasicjedi | They said they upgraded all our internet access to like rerally hella fast |
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| 21:27.06 | qbasicjedi | So yeah, fast internet |
| 21:27.09 | qbasicjedi | OK, well, thanks |
| 21:27.14 | qbasicjedi | I'll do netinstall then |
| 21:27.24 | Eulex | qbasicjedi, just installing a base system (basic working non-gui system) will be very quick, then it depends on how much you install more than that. |
| 21:29.12 | Eulex | here we go again |
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| 21:30.17 | spq | where can i findexact informations about the linux file access rights? |
| 21:30.20 | tuv | is it possible to have two terminals (keyboards, mice and monitors) for the same X server instance, or do i have to run two instances? |
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| 21:30.38 | lavamind | spq, ls -l |
| 21:30.58 | Kobaz | well you can have two keyboards and mice, but they will control the same pointer and session if you have one x server |
| 21:31.10 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 21:31.11 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 21:31.24 | spq | lavamind, i dont want the permissions,i want to know how linux handles the permissions - what is needed to rename a file, delete one etc |
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| 21:31.40 | Kobaz | spq: that url will be helpful; |
| 21:31.44 | abrotman | tuv: i think you can now |
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| 21:32.08 | tuv | abrotman, got any tutorials/links...etc? |
| 21:32.20 | spq | Kobaz, which one? |
| 21:32.24 | abrotman | tuv: no .. but i seem to recall someone mentioning it .. maybe ask #xorg |
| 21:32.34 | abrotman | spq: the bot just spit out like ten |
| 21:32.39 | tuv | abrotman, ok.. thanks |
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| 21:32.52 | Kobaz | spq: click any of them, heh |
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| 21:32.57 | spq | yes, thanks abrotman - i thought Kobaz forgot to paste his link |
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| 21:33.17 | tuv | abrotman, do you know if it's possible withing them interfering with each other? |
| 21:33.29 | Kobaz | spq: that should have been "those urls will be helpful" |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | tuv: oyu mean two sets of input? |
| 21:33.41 | spq | ah okay :) |
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| 21:33.51 | tuv | abrotman, yeah.. two independent users |
| 21:33.52 | Asmodee` | I was having issues with my custom kernel using mkinitrd.yaird, I am now using mkinitramfs and am getting a completely different error: Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev: /dev/sda1 does not exist. This would imply to me that the SATA or related module is not present, but I am using the config from my current (working) kernel without any changes. I've found a few threads |
| 21:33.58 | Kobaz | tuv: if you want two seperate x sessions, you need two seperate x servers going |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | tuv: i believe so .. but i'd ask #xorg |
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| 21:34.33 | patrick22 | ... something is wrong with my .config for my new kernel to boot from the old filesystem.... anyone able to help me debugging? |
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| 21:35.56 | patrick22 | I get a kernel-panic... unable to mount root partition |
| 21:36.05 | Kobaz | patrick22: that's bad |
| 21:36.08 | abrotman | you screwed up .. try a new config and compile |
| 21:37.35 | Kobaz | patrick22: either the root you specified doesn't exist, or the kernel didn't find the hardware that the root is on |
| 21:37.35 | Kobaz | mmm, the netsplit sucked him away |
| 21:37.46 | Polarina | Kobaz: It sure did. |
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| 21:38.08 | Eulex | damn script kiddie |
| 21:38.21 | Kobaz | no, that was me |
| 21:38.29 | Kobaz | i tripped over the ethernet cable |
| 21:38.44 | Eulex | Kobaz, you should glue them. |
| 21:38.46 | Ronin | Kobaz: you're worse then the damn cleaners :) |
| 21:39.26 | Kobaz | the cleaners took one of my nice plastic plates once |
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| 21:39.49 | Kobaz | it was a disposable plate, but i would clean it after lunch... those punks |
| 21:39.56 | Kobaz | patrick22: either the root you specified doesn't exist, or the kernel didn't find the hardware that the root is on |
| 21:40.45 | Kobaz | Eulex: okay, now the ethernet is firmly duct taped to the floor |
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| 21:41.10 | Ronin | give it 2 minutes heh |
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| 21:41.29 | mrrcp | anyone around here use openvpn |
| 21:41.29 | mrrcp | ? |
| 21:41.35 | Kobaz | me |
| 21:41.41 | Kobaz | there is an #openvpn channel though |
| 21:41.41 | Eulex | Kobaz, great success! |
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| 21:41.56 | mrrcp | kobaz could you help me perhaps? |
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| 21:42.07 | Kobaz | what's your q |
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| 21:42.26 | mrrcp | i need help setting up openvpn and what client in windows i should use to connect to the vpn |
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| 21:42.44 | Kobaz | mrrcp: search for openvpn-gui |
| 21:42.50 | mrrcp | in windows? |
| 21:42.54 | Kobaz | mrrcp: you still need the openvpn client.conf file |
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| 21:43.03 | Kobaz | mrrcp: but yeah, it has a little system tray icon and everything |
| 21:43.23 | mrrcp | and i can access my debian server with it |
| 21:43.23 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 21:43.30 | Kobaz | http://openvpn.se/ |
| 21:43.32 | Kobaz | uh huh |
| 21:43.34 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 21:43.40 | Kobaz | assuming the config is set up right |
| 21:43.42 | Ronin | it will connect to your vpn assuming you set it up correctly |
| 21:44.24 | mrrcp | when setting up the openvpn |
| 21:44.35 | mrrcp | it says need to set KEY |
| 21:44.41 | mrrcp | or somthing like that 1 sec |
| 21:44.51 | Kobaz | mrrcp: okay well, you need to set up the server first, and then test with another linux client |
| 21:44.54 | Kobaz | mrrcp: that's the easiest |
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| 21:45.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 21:45.10 | Kobaz | mrrcp: there is excellent docs on the openvpn site |
| 21:45.16 | mrrcp | i dont have another linux client |
| 21:45.27 | mrrcp | i wanna connect my laptop to my box over VPN |
| 21:45.32 | Kobaz | okay well, you can use the windows client instead, that will be fine |
| 21:45.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm wondering, how much bandwidth would be needed to have a VNC connection with a resolution of 1280x1024? |
| 21:45.34 | abrotman | so use openvpn |
| 21:45.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'd like to be able to VNC to this computer while I'm at work |
| 21:45.49 | abrotman | mrrcp: check the website .. i'm sure they have plenty of docs on how to connect to it from windows |
| 21:46.01 | Kobaz | mrrcp: http://openvpn.net/howto.html#examples |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: if you don't move the mouse .. 42 |
| 21:46.10 | Ronin | heh |
| 21:46.14 | Kobaz | abrotman: connecting from windows is really easy, you just set up the config and use the windows client |
| 21:46.24 | abrotman | Kobaz: i don't give a shit .. tell him |
| 21:46.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: 42... kb/s? |
| 21:46.28 | Kobaz | heh |
| 21:46.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Or 42 as in the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy? |
| 21:46.54 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: you'll have to try it yourself .. there are other variables |
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| 21:47.02 | Kobaz | do de do |
| 21:47.03 | Ronin | that is the answer to life the universe and everything |
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| 21:47.13 | Kobaz | time to go out into the dark cold dungeon to do the oil change |
| 21:47.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Also, I have no frickin clue how to do it, never done it before. |
| 21:47.20 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: start reading |
| 21:47.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: ... where? |
| 21:47.35 | mrrcp | i just need the GUI client for windows no? |
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| 21:47.55 | mrrcp | i mean i dont want openvpn server just the program the vpn into my server |
| 21:47.57 | Kobaz | mrrcp: #openvpn... download the windows client from openvpn.se |
| 21:48.10 | Kobaz | mrrcp: you must run the server |
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| 21:48.25 | mrrcp | on both machines |
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| 21:48.26 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 21:49.07 | Kobaz | you just need the server on one machine, the client on the other |
| 21:49.11 | Kobaz | mrrcp: /join #openvpn |
| 21:49.24 | mrrcp | k |
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| 21:51.26 | rmaj | is there some gui editor for xml files? |
| 21:51.39 | Polarina | rmaj: gedit |
| 21:52.38 | rmaj | Polarina: xml editor, not just a text editor |
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| 21:52.47 | abrotman | rmaj: apt-cache search xml editor |
| 21:52.55 | rmaj | there is a nice kxmleditor... not in Debian though (testing) so anything else? |
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| 21:54.00 | inimino | emacs |
| 21:54.03 | rmaj | mlview - An xml editor for GNOME environment |
| 21:54.04 | abrotman | rmaj: apt-cache search xml editor |
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| 21:58.09 | cactusbin | Hello, I am trying to install a WG511 v3 ("Made in china" v2) wireless PCMCIA card. There is no native driver so I attempted to install via ndiswrapper. I cabextracted and unshielded the exe from the netgear website and attempted to install the xp 2k and 98 drivers all to no avail. When I try to run ndiswrapper -l it says "driver installed" but not "hardware detected". Any suggestions? |
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| 21:59.03 | Polarina | cactusbin: Contact Microsoft's techincal support. |
| 21:59.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:59.37 | rmaj | only other editor in mlview, which is like x3 less futurefull then kxmleditor... why the later is not in testing |
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| 21:59.56 | abrotman | rmaj: you've been shown numerous times to find out why stuff isn't in testing |
| 21:59.56 | cactusbin | Polarina: how would that help? |
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| 22:00.00 | abrotman | cactusbin: ask #ndiswrapper |
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| 22:00.20 | abrotman | how to find out |
| 22:00.34 | Polarina | cactusbin: You are in the wrong channel. This is #debian, not a Windows(R) discussion one. |
| 22:00.35 | patrick22 | hello... I have a problem to get my new kernel to recognize my old file system... anyone would be able to help me debugging the .config file....? |
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| 22:00.45 | abrotman | Polarina: did you actually read his question? |
| 22:00.50 | Polarina | abrotman: Yes. |
| 22:00.57 | abrotman | Polarina: how is it a windows problem? |
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| 22:01.24 | Polarina | abrotman: I thought he had driver issues with Windows(R)... |
| 22:01.32 | cactusbin | ? |
| 22:01.32 | abrotman | so you didn't read the whole question ... |
| 22:01.39 | Polarina | abrotman: I did.. |
| 22:01.46 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 22:01.53 | \amethyst | Polarina: do you know what ndiswrapper is? |
| 22:01.54 | cactusbin | how would I use ndisrwapper on windows |
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| 22:02.08 | amphi | cactusbin: or, indeed, why? ;) |
| 22:02.09 | abrotman | cactusbin: ignore Polarina |
| 22:02.10 | Polarina | \amethyst: No... |
| 22:02.16 | cactusbin | :P |
| 22:02.17 | punsad | I'm having problems with a netinstall on some old hardware. the install seems to go fine, but on first boot, it just hangs at some point after some 'AGP' message. the hang point varies |
| 22:02.17 | \amethyst | !ndiswrapper |
| 22:02.18 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:02.18 | abrotman | cactusbin: please ask #ndiswrapper |
| 22:02.36 | \amethyst | Polarina: that's why it mentions Windows but is still Linux-relevant |
| 22:02.42 | acu | guys I am almost to buy HP dv9408nr Laptop with AMD Turion X2 1 GB Mem - 160 GB - did anyone use it with Debian or Ubuntu ? |
| 22:02.50 | Polarina | \amethyst: Oh.. Sorry. |
| 22:02.50 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 22:02.51 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 22:02.51 | punsad | I wonder if my hardware is just so old that the necessary modules aren't available |
| 22:03.00 | punsad | it use to run 3.0 without a problem |
| 22:03.20 | cactusbin | abrotman: I will... but they seem pretty empty |
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| 22:03.25 | Ace2016 | [22:01] <-- ChanServ has left this server (Shutting Down). |
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| 22:03.39 | Ace2016 | ha ha lol |
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| 22:04.21 | Fri13 | Hi! where is page what tells what versions debian comes (stable, unstable, test etc) and what DVD medias are needed to download to get basic KDE with it? |
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| 22:04.33 | rmaj | abrotman: Im reading http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kxmleditor.html |
| 22:04.56 | zarac | Fri13 have you tried www.debian.org ? |
| 22:05.08 | abrotman | Fri13: packages.debian.org and cdimage.debian.org |
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| 22:05.38 | rmaj | [2007-06-23] kxmleditor REMOVED from testing (Britney) so it was just removed from testing 4.5 months ago... why not instead put there the older version |
| 22:06.09 | abrotman | rmaj: maybe cause the old version was incompatible with new libraries? |
| 22:06.29 | Fri13 | zarac: yes, but http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ dont tell anything else than if i get sets of DVD, i get lots of not needed packages. But if i take just DVD1, can i get it working GUI? (im trying to help friend here). |
| 22:06.31 | Ace2016 | testing (Britney) is that what testing is now called? so the next debian release will be britney? |
| 22:06.44 | abrotman | Ace2016: no .. britney is part of "the girls" or dak |
| 22:06.46 | Eulex | Ace2016, lenny. |
| 22:06.46 | abrotman | !dak |
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| 22:06.47 | dpkg | dak (also known as the debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the debian archives, including the testing scripts. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/bzr/ for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing(and from incoming to unstable) around 1952UTC each day. |
| 22:06.48 | rmaj | abrotman: providing the older library seems to be one of solutions then |
| 22:06.49 | jelly-home | rmaj: britney is a script, it only does what it's told |
| 22:07.10 | abrotman | rmaj: or you could backport whatever krap you want and quit whining |
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| 22:07.15 | rmaj | jelly-home: where can I find actually human readable description of why this cool program was suddenly removed |
| 22:07.27 | abrotman | !tell rmaj about why kxmleditor is not in testing |
| 22:07.31 | Ace2016 | oh ok, i forgot lenny for a second, ok just seemed strange |
| 22:07.37 | rmaj | abrotman: I tried it with libboost-dev today, build script failed after some time |
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| 22:07.49 | abrotman | rmaj: so figure out why |
| 22:07.55 | zarac | Fri13 i believe even cd1 is enough.. i've only installed it on servers.. but i know there's a checkbox for "desktop environment" when installing.. i don't know if it comes with KDE or not though |
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| 22:08.11 | jelly-home | rmaj: tried "/msg dpkg why is XXX not in testing" yet? |
| 22:08.29 | rmaj | jelly-home: yes, thats how I found that packages.qa page |
| 22:08.44 | abrotman | rmaj: apparently it's a piece of shit software .. it's not even compiling on i386 |
| 22:08.57 | abrotman | rmaj: or .. its functionality has been rolled into kate |
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| 22:09.21 | rmaj | abrotman: its only editor I found that works on xml elements (not on text with highlight) |
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| 22:09.34 | rmaj | last time i386 version worked fine |
| 22:09.39 | abrotman | rmaj: SO COMPILE IT |
| 22:10.20 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is there any prebuilt version of Thunderbird/icedove that will work for etch 64-bit and still allow me to install extensions from mozilla.org? |
| 22:10.30 | L0GAN | does debian have a live cd? |
| 22:10.35 | streuner | no |
| 22:10.48 | \amethyst | !debian-live |
| 22:10.48 | dpkg | from memory, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:10.53 | streuner | there is a live-CD, but not official |
| 22:11.08 | L0GAN | ah shame |
| 22:11.09 | jelly-home | rmaj: so you've seen the qa page. Now click on the "removed from unstable" link, and read the bug number referenced there. |
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| 22:11.26 | L0GAN | As windows user I have no idea how to build own live cd's |
| 22:11.26 | ruth | how can i create a 200 mb file with dd? |
| 22:11.33 | ruth | just some random file |
| 22:11.37 | streuner | L0GAN: there are many debian-based live CDs out there, just use one of that |
| 22:11.50 | L0GAN | rater use official stuff |
| 22:11.53 | \amethyst | ruth: dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1024 count=204800 |
| 22:11.56 | streuner | L0GAN: grml.org |
| 22:12.01 | ruth | thx \amethyst |
| 22:12.02 | ruth | :9 |
| 22:12.14 | streuner | L0GAN: its debian based and have everything you need |
| 22:12.19 | tarzeau | L0GAN: check live-helper |
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| 22:12.26 | streuner | L0GAN: /msg dpkg grml |
| 22:12.30 | tarzeau | streuner: it doesn't have all i need, and isn't built using live-helper |
| 22:12.51 | rmaj | jelly-home: so they removed that application because there was no updates to it O_o huh? |
| 22:12.53 | L0GAN | thanks i'll write it down |
| 22:12.57 | streuner | tarzeau: dont make me dance the HAKA around you :-) |
| 22:13.14 | tarzeau | L0GAN: also try livecd.gnustep.org (it's debian based too) |
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| 22:14.32 | jelly-home | rmaj: that's what debian maintainer does when he can't maintain it. |
| 22:14.42 | L0GAN | tarzeau : thanks. because building an own live cd, even with detailed step by step instructions would be to complex for me I think |
| 22:14.59 | rmaj | jelly-home: so only thing needed is someone that will sometimes update it a bit, ie make it compatible with kde4? |
| 22:15.07 | L0GAN | also I dont have a linux installed |
| 22:15.19 | jelly-home | rmaj: I don't know what is needed, never taken a look at it. |
| 22:15.33 | rmaj | perhaps I can help to maintain that appl then |
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| 22:17.03 | Asmodee` | I was having issues with my custom kernel using mkinitrd.yaird, I am now using mkinitramfs and am getting a completely different error: Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev: /dev/sda1 does not exist. This would imply to me that the SATA or related module is not present, but I am using the config from my current (working) kernel without any changes. I've found a few threads |
| 22:17.12 | jelly-home | rmaj: I'd suggest contacting upstream |
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| 22:17.30 | Alexis | is there a way to make my wireless card scan for the avalible networks? |
| 22:18.07 | abrotman | man iwlist |
| 22:18.23 | Alexis | ? |
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| 22:20.30 | rmaj | I thought people would be more happy if someone volenteers time to help a bit |
| 22:20.38 | rmaj | jelly-home: good idea |
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| 22:21.30 | gcosmin | http://pastebin.com/mebcc019 |
| 22:21.44 | gcosmin | can some one help me with this one? |
| 22:22.09 | Asmodee` | gcosmin: yeah, set the DISPLAY variable appropriately |
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| 22:22.26 | gcosmin | Asmodee`: who to? |
| 22:22.31 | gcosmin | *how to? |
| 22:22.37 | Eulex | gcosmin, it needs X. |
| 22:22.39 | Asmodee` | Are you running this on your local machine with X installed? |
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| 22:22.57 | gcosmin | I'm in gnome now |
| 22:22.57 | Alexis | is there anyways to make ubuntu scan for avalible networks? |
| 22:23.05 | Asmodee` | export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0 should do it |
| 22:23.20 | rmaj | Alexis: best ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:23.24 | Eulex | Asmodee`, even simply :0 will do |
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| 22:23.41 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 22:24.03 | Jyzygzel- | can you somhow opne files with mc? |
| 22:24.04 | Jyzygzel- | open files |
| 22:24.08 | Asmodee` | does that cause it to use unix domain sockets? |
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| 22:24.25 | Asmodee` | I always use X over networks, so I have to specify addresses |
| 22:24.41 | Eulex | Asmodee`, I believe so. |
| 22:24.43 | trentg | Are there any NES emulators in the repos? |
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| 22:24.56 | Eulex | trentg, yes. tried searching? |
| 22:25.09 | trentg | I was looking for fakenes |
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| 22:25.35 | Eulex | not that one, but there are plenty others. |
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| 22:25.49 | Asmodee` | is it safe to use a UUID for the root partition in /etc/fstab? I've only ever used it for non root partitions |
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| 22:30.16 | Jyzygzel- | are there any good file managers? |
| 22:30.24 | Jyzygzel- | i wanna be able to search and open files |
| 22:30.25 | Ace2016 | konqueror |
| 22:30.31 | Jyzygzel- | waaaaaaaay to big |
| 22:30.46 | Jyzygzel- | add 100 more a:s |
| 22:30.54 | Ace2016 | nope, it does everything you asked for |
| 22:31.12 | Jyzygzel- | dude.. i don't have even the half of the memory that shit requires |
| 22:31.15 | obnauticus | How can i can i cat a file from bottom to top? |
| 22:31.17 | CyberGabber | Jyzygzel-: Take a look at MC ( Midmight Commander ) |
| 22:31.24 | Jyzygzel- | CyberGabber im using it atm |
| 22:31.30 | Jyzygzel- | its just that it isn't able to open files |
| 22:31.30 | Asmodee` | Is there a way to get the source for the newest kernel package and recompile it myself to get a near identical configuration? The only kernel source I see when doing apt-cache search is old |
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| 22:32.16 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: xfe or gentoo |
| 22:32.18 | CyberGabber | Jyzygzel-: Just press F3=view, or F4 =edit in MC |
| 22:32.27 | Jyzygzel- | edit? |
| 22:32.31 | Jyzygzel- | i wanna play the .mp3 |
| 22:32.40 | Jyzygzel- | with mplayer |
| 22:32.44 | qrck | obnauticus: use tac instead |
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| 22:33.22 | CyberGabber | Jyzygzel-: MC is just fine for filemanagement, if toy would like to play mp3 i donnu |
| 22:33.37 | Jyzygzel- | yea well i want a file manager that can open stuff |
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| 22:34.08 | abrotman | i just told you two |
| 22:34.15 | Jyzygzel- | oh |
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| 22:34.59 | psychonate | Jyzygzel-, I like rox |
| 22:35.05 | abrotman | you would! |
| 22:35.12 | kc9eye | how to get gnome application menu to update? |
| 22:35.22 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 22:35.28 | Jyzygzel- | midnight commander looked so awwsum :< |
| 22:35.39 | PiousMinion | Ok... "chown root.root README.txt; chmod 744 README.txt".... why am I able to remove the file via samba as a non-priv user? I'm freaking out. |
| 22:35.54 | Guerin | PiousMinion: because you don't understand how permissions work |
| 22:36.02 | abrotman | PiousMinion: did you read about samba permissions ? |
| 22:36.15 | PiousMinion | Guerin: could be |
| 22:36.41 | PiousMinion | abrotman: yes, but clearly I must have missed something. |
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| 22:37.30 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: what are the directory permissions? |
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| 22:37.33 | kc9eye | where is update-menus? |
| 22:37.43 | gcosmin | how can I set my path for java |
| 22:37.52 | gcosmin | ? |
| 22:38.04 | Jyzygzel- | xfe is cool! |
| 22:38.06 | gcosmin | Stack Trace: |
| 22:38.07 | gcosmin | java.awt.HeadlessException: |
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| 22:38.09 | gcosmin | ... |
| 22:38.10 | PiousMinion | jelly-home: the dir is set to allow read write in system and in samba. |
| 22:38.11 | gcosmin | :( |
| 22:38.17 | Jyzygzel- | now the same for console? :D |
| 22:38.23 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: ls -ld /path/to/dir |
| 22:38.45 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: have you forgotten to set the sticky bit? |
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| 22:39.36 | PiousMinion | jelly-home: sticky? heh |
| 22:40.22 | lobak | hello, i need help with xchat, how can i show the list of user on the channel? |
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| 22:40.46 | gcosmin | ... if I install java on my debian witg apt-get where it shoud me? |
| 22:40.48 | nareshov | Hi, what do I have to install to solve this: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgz" ? |
| 22:40.49 | PiousMinion | jelly-home: clueless as to sticky, but I guess I'll google it. thanks for the direction. |
| 22:40.50 | gcosmin | be? |
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| 22:41.06 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: info coreutils 'Mode Structure' and /msg dpkg permissions |
| 22:41.28 | PiousMinion | jelly-home: thanks |
| 22:41.29 | mortal1 | could someone please explain why the .deb package creators decided to bundle gcj with everything that uses java? |
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| 22:42.12 | Asmodee` | I'm trying to diagnose a problem I have with a custom kernel booting. If in grub I specify a partition like /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23.1-custom root=UUID=cbd1d094-6996-42e5-bfe7-11fa09eacdbe ro, does this take priority over what is listed in /etc/fstab as the root partition? |
| 22:42.35 | abrotman | mortal1: they didn't |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | mortal1: like what? |
| 22:42.50 | jelly-home | mortal1: not everything. If you install Sun's java in a package, you won't need gcj. |
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| 22:44.24 | jelly-home | mortal1: as an example, I have sun-java6-jre, azureus, and no gcj installed. |
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| 22:44.37 | sink | buenas |
| 22:44.46 | jelly-home | !es |
| 22:44.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:45.28 | sink | sry. i thought i were in -es, bye :) |
| 22:45.44 | mortal1 | jelly-home, yeah, how many times have i heard that, and yet, open office, azureus and nearly everything else from the repos has it bundled regardless if I have the sun-java6-sdk installed or not |
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| 22:46.05 | mortal1 | for some reason update-java-alternatives doesn't work |
| 22:46.31 | nareshov | -lgz anyone? |
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| 22:47.58 | jelly-home | nareshov: what? |
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| 22:48.15 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 22:48.16 | nareshov | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.30 | jelly-home | nareshov: is that supposed to be zlib library? |
| 22:48.41 | Azar | will there be a listed power supply model in dmesg? or any info about psu? |
| 22:49.01 | nareshov | I guess, I installed zlib1g-dev and it still doesn't work |
| 22:49.18 | Azar | ... as in video info, HD info, CPU info ... ? |
| 22:49.21 | nareshov | fixed it |
| 22:49.24 | nareshov | it's -lz |
| 22:49.31 | jelly-home | nareshov: yeah. |
| 22:49.32 | nareshov | phew |
| 22:49.47 | jelly-home | nareshov: been like that in a long time |
| 22:49.50 | Azar | ##hardware |
| 22:49.56 | nareshov | okay |
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| 22:50.26 | jelly-home | Azar: no, kernel usually doesn't care about power supplies. |
| 22:50.45 | Azar | jelly-home: thanks :) |
| 22:52.36 | jelly-home | mortal1: I've never used update-java-alternatives, but seem to remember fixing the links with plain update-alternatives |
| 22:53.11 | jelly-home | mortal1: in any case, the alternatives system is not used in package dependency resolution during installation |
| 22:54.18 | jelly-home | !info sun-java6-sdk sid |
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| 22:55.27 | jelly-home | mortal1: where did you install that sun-java6-sdk from? Doesn't seem to be available in the repository. |
| 22:55.29 | tumik | Hi! Is it some known bug or smth that my free ram amount shows about 4mb but really I have free ~100mb? I have ~300mb of ram and it shows I have 4mb free, The most ram-using programs: mysqld 5% irssi 3.7% apache2 1.8% etc, Sometimes it suddenly shows the real amount of ram but mostly just that ~5mb |
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| 22:56.26 | jelly-home | tumik: what application did you use to show you the numbers? |
| 22:56.27 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I think he mistyped "sun-java6-jdk" |
| 22:56.33 | \amethyst | jelly-home: which is in bpo |
| 22:56.37 | tumik | jelly-home: top |
| 22:56.48 | gkiagia | tumik: it's 4 MB if you count the disk cache. in fact the disk cache does not count |
| 22:57.27 | jelly-home | tumik: most of "buffers" and "cached" is also free to use by apps if needed |
| 22:57.30 | \amethyst | tumik: look at the second line (-/+ buffers/cache) of the output of the "free" command |
| 22:57.49 | \amethyst | tumik: Linux uses as much unused RAM as it can as a disk cache |
| 22:57.53 | obnauticus | How do I tail every 5 lines from the end of a file to the top. |
| 22:58.02 | mortal1 | jelly-home, it is in mine... |
| 22:58.08 | \amethyst | tumik: when an application needs that RAM, Linux will free up some of the disk cache |
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| 22:58.12 | obnauticus | like i want to turn the file backwards in increments of 5 |
| 22:58.13 | tumik | \amethyst: Thanks, now I think I understand :) |
| 22:58.26 | jelly-home | mortal1: care to pastebin apt-cache policy that package |
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| 22:58.50 | mortal1 | jelly-home, I don't have it installed right now |
| 22:59.23 | mortal1 | it required some stupid deps that were totally unnessesary, so i just have the jdk straight from java.sun.com |
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| 23:00.04 | jelly-home | my turn to shrug it off, then :-) |
| 23:00.12 | gcosmin | http://pastebin.com/m5735dbc7 |
| 23:00.41 | brotakku | gn8 |
| 23:00.59 | gcosmin | :-?? |
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| 23:01.41 | brotakku | gcosmin try with your Xserver on |
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| 23:02.00 | gcosmin | brotakku: I'm in gnome |
| 23:02.35 | brotakku | you have to run the application with a user, not root |
| 23:02.42 | gcosmin | I use eterm and if I echo $DISPLAY as user its ok, but I can't use echo as root and get $DISPLAY |
| 23:02.50 | brotakku | oder do gnomesu or something like this |
| 23:02.50 | gcosmin | brotakku: huh |
| 23:02.54 | brotakku | in KDE it's kdesu |
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| 23:09.09 | Asmodee` | On a system that boots with grub the root partition in specified 3 times. I'm trying to diagnose an issue related to a custom kernel I've compiled. It fails to find /dev/sda1. I've tried passing root=UUID=myuuidhere as a kernel argument, but that didn't resolve the problem. How do the 3 different root partitions interact/take priority (/etc/fstab, root as an argument to the kernel, and root as a grub argument)? |
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| 23:10.35 | wols_ | Asmodee`: is /boot/ on its own partition? |
| 23:10.35 | uberspaced | In the process of setting up a KDC using debian packages, I've put together some documentation on how to do it step by step |
| 23:11.04 | uberspaced | The docs from MIT about installing and admining are good, but it may not be clear what's needed at what stage to just get things done |
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| 23:11.37 | uberspaced | does this type of documentation exist? Like a pure Debian+Kerberos howto? |
| 23:11.53 | uberspaced | if it doesn't, where would be a good place for me to post my stuff and have it reviewed? |
| 23:12.13 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: if it can't find /dev/sda1, then generally you don't have the right modules built in or you've specified the wrong root optoin |
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| 23:12.42 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: the first root that is read is the kernel specification, which tells the kernel (or initrd) which device to mount to start init. |
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| 23:13.07 | dondelelcaro | after that, init is running, root is mounted (but generally read only) and the fstab is consulted to do anything else |
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| 23:13.26 | Asmodee` | wols_: there are 3 partitions, /, swap, and extended (contains swap) |
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| 23:14.01 | uberspaced | I used mediawiki for it; it probably wont be difficult to convert the stuff to another format |
| 23:14.11 | dv_ | hi |
| 23:14.15 | Asmodee` | dondelelcaro: I initially suspected the drive controller module was not compiled, but I then tried the .config from my working kernel and I have the same issue. |
| 23:14.25 | dv_ | is there a way to set the default gcc version if more than one are installed? |
| 23:14.29 | dv_ | right now gcc symlinks to gcc-4.2 |
| 23:14.37 | dv_ | but for nvidia's cuda I need gcc 4.1 |
| 23:14.49 | Asmodee` | I was thinking that the IDE/SATA drives may be recognized in a different order with the new kernel for some reason, which is why I tried specifying the UUID and am now curious as to the 3 methods of specifying the root partition. |
| 23:15.33 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: they could be, but the problem you're having is the root= option to the kernel being wrong. |
| 23:16.04 | Asmodee` | My working kernel and new kernel both used root=/dev/sda1, when this didn't work I proceeded to try using the UUID instead |
| 23:16.07 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: the grub one is actually the boot partition, which only affects whether the kernel can actually be loaded, and the fstab one only takes effect after the root partition is mounted the first time. |
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| 23:16.22 | CyberGabber | uberspaced: take a look at http://swik.net/Debian+kerberos |
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| 23:17.07 | eliteforce | hello, where can i find more information about the groups in /etc/group? |
| 23:17.24 | Asmodee` | What I would really like to do is just take the exact debian kernel source I have and recompile it using identical configuration, that way I can ensure at least compiling a kernel and installing it is functioning. |
| 23:17.31 | dondelelcaro | eliteforce: that's pretty much it; theres some documentation in basefiles |
| 23:17.41 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: Debian kernels require initrds. |
| 23:17.44 | Asmodee` | But the linux source package is quite old, so not the same as what I'm currently running |
| 23:17.59 | eliteforce | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 23:18.02 | snacky | system cloning/grub n00b question: using "cp -a", I copied all the contents of my system drive (sda1) onto another hard disk (sdb1). How can I run grub so that I can boot off sdb1 just the way I used to do from the other drive? |
| 23:18.05 | Asmodee` | I'm using mkinitramfs |
| 23:18.16 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: ok, so what is the exact error that you're getting? |
| 23:18.51 | Asmodee` | Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev: /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 23:19.00 | uberspaced | CyberGabber, on that page, I am unable to find a document that shows how to, using debian packages, create a KDC from scratch. |
| 23:19.18 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: and udev, I presume? |
| 23:19.20 | uberspaced | the documentation that comes with the packages is a regurgitation of the MIT docs |
| 23:19.25 | uberspaced | but in even worse form. |
| 23:19.46 | Asmodee` | I think that's the end of the error |
| 23:19.56 | Asmodee` | I mean nothing else being listed as missing |
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| 23:20.51 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: did the drives get detected above that? |
| 23:20.58 | CyberGabber | uberspaced: Maybe http://www.berabera.info/oldblog/lenglet/howtos/kerberoshowto/index.html ? |
| 23:21.14 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: are they still sda1? Have you tried sdb1 or similar? |
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| 23:22.22 | Asmodee` | I don't know if the drives are detected.. I keep asking the tech support (server is at a data center) various questions when they reboot my server to the old working kernel but usually they just reboot and dont give me any information, which is making this a real pain to resolve. I've tried sde1 thinking that maybe it was assigning the IDE before SATA with the new kernel (there is only 1 hdd in the system though) |
| 23:22.43 | rmaj | will it be possile to run kde3 applications when debian will move to kde4? and later |
| 23:23.07 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: are you booting off of an ide drive or a sata one? |
| 23:23.12 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: which kernel is this? |
| 23:23.14 | dondelelcaro | rmaj: yes |
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| 23:24.07 | Asmodee` | All I want to do is compile a custom kernel because there is a very minor modification I need to make, so I'm trying to just get a working kernel using my old .config. My working kernel is the debian 2.6.18-5-k7, but I'm trying to get 2.6.23.1... ideally I'd use the source to 2.6.18-5, but I can't seem to find that. It is booting off SATA (only drive in the system) |
| 23:24.13 | uberspaced | CyberGabber cool; how did you find that one? (i'm currently comparing that to what I have) |
| 23:24.25 | mbroeker | Can someone paste me "/etc/cron.d/php5" for Debian/Lenny ? |
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| 23:24.54 | wols_ | Asmodee`: just get the kernel sources then |
| 23:24.57 | wols_ | apt-get source |
| 23:24.58 | mbroeker | I have erased it accidently... |
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| 23:25.25 | wols_ | !tell mbroeker about confmiss |
| 23:25.26 | Asmodee` | wols_: I've done apt-cache search, but the sources available are older versions |
| 23:25.43 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/linux-2.6 |
| 23:25.52 | wols_ | older available sources of what exactly? |
| 23:26.00 | Asmodee` | wols_: the linux kernel |
| 23:26.01 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: and it's linux-source-2.6.18 which has the source code for that kernel |
| 23:26.31 | Asmodee` | So linux-source-2.6.18 is the same as 2.6.18-5? |
| 23:26.47 | dondelelcaro | Asmodee`: yes |
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| 23:27.08 | dondelelcaro | assuming you've got the newest version of the linux-source package, anyway |
| 23:27.21 | Asmodee` | ok I thought that was source for older revision of hte kernel |
| 23:27.43 | dondelelcaro | nope |
| 23:28.39 | slidesinger | Just to make sure I'm not spinning my wheels aimlessly, I want to make sure that my understanding of what I read is correct. |
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| 23:29.13 | slidesinger | It is possible for a DNS server to realize that it is not only server.domain. but also that it is domain. as well. The definition for domain. and server.domain. belong in the A record section of db.zone. Do I have this much correct? |
| 23:31.08 | riboflavin | hello. im using debian etch. how can i change my WM to xfce4 ? do i need to add it in /etc/X11/Xsession? |
| 23:32.03 | slidesinger | riboflavin: From the command line update-alternatives |
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| 23:32.16 | eliteforce | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.46 | mbroeker | wols_, thanks |
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| 23:33.48 | riboflavin | palermo:/etc/X11# update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 23:33.49 | riboflavin | /usr/bin/metacity |
| 23:33.49 | riboflavin | /usr/bin/xfwm4 |
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| 23:34.29 | Jyzygzel- | can i somehow list all the packgages that are installed in my computer? |
| 23:34.33 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 23:34.34 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 23:34.40 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: DNS server to know? I'm not sure I follow you. |
| 23:35.01 | Jyzygzel- | can i use the list so i can apt-get everything in that list to another computer? |
| 23:35.13 | stew | the !~M is questionable there |
| 23:35.20 | stew | Jyzygzel-: /msg dpkg selections |
| 23:35.21 | Jyzygzel- | ok |
| 23:35.30 | sikkle | is it possible df -h didnt show every partition ? |
| 23:35.39 | jelly-home | stew: "fully installed" :-P |
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| 23:36.09 | stew | sikkle: it woudl show all mounted partitions. if you want to see all known partitions you can use 'fdisk -l' |
| 23:36.41 | jeffwheeler | There isn't really any way to mount an SSH drive, is there? GNOME just pretends with HAL or some such using sftp, I suppose? |
| 23:36.44 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: dig domain typed from the command line of the DNS server returns host not found. I need it to return the host address. |
| 23:36.48 | fas3r | i have a ping problem .. on the first server i have two card ( 192.168.2.5 and 192.168.4.10) . the card 192.168.4.10 is connect on acces point with 192.168.4.2 address. on the second server i have two card ( 192.168.2.1 and internet). From the first server ( 192.168.2.5) i ping the Access point ( 192.168.4.2) it's normal. i have add route on the second server for ping the first server ..my... |
| 23:36.50 | fas3r | ...problem .. from the second server i ping 192.168.4.10 ( the first server) but i don't ping the acces point (192.168.4.2) .... i have test meetric 3 but i don't find where is the problem.. |
| 23:37.07 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: does dig @localhost domain; work? |
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| 23:39.18 | fas3r | haa |
| 23:39.20 | slidesinger | Jyzygzel-: install apt-show-versions, then type apt-show-versions > installed.pkgs at the command line puts everything into a text file called installed.pkgs that you can browse at your leasure. |
| 23:39.28 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: no |
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| 23:39.39 | fas3r | it's not because i don't forward paquet ......?? |
| 23:39.50 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: then you don't have the dns server configured correctly to resolve the domain name. |
| 23:39.57 | slidesinger | riboflavin: xfce is a DE, not a WM |
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| 23:40.36 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: That's what I was thinking. Well, back to the docs, I missed something. THanks. |
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| 23:40.54 | fas3r | nobody .. :s |
| 23:40.59 | dondelelcaro | slidesinger: np; when you have it right, dig @localhost domain.tld; will work. |
| 23:41.17 | slidesinger | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 23:41.30 | dondelelcaro | (whether it'll work without the @localhost depends on whether the root nameservers have delegated domain.tld to you) |
| 23:41.56 | slidesinger | None of the docs I've read mention that. |
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| 23:55.23 | thor | jest ktos z polski ? :) |
| 23:55.38 | zamuro | !pl |
| 23:55.38 | dpkg | somebody said pl was perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 23:55.56 | zamuro | !polska |
| 23:56.10 | g2g591 | wow this channel sure is quiet |
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| 23:56.50 | thor | thx zamuro |
| 23:56.50 | zamuro | There's always a first time for anything... This sure is one. |
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| 23:58.27 | iPwn3d | zamuro hi there |
| 23:58.47 | zamuro | !kiss iPwn3d |
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| 23:59.15 | iPwn3d | dpkg who are you? i can recognize your lips and that sweet smell but i dont know you |
| 23:59.17 | dpkg | iPwn3d: what are you talking about? |
| 23:59.23 | zamuro | lol |
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