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| 00:06.04 | Wyzard | Are there any established best practices for using IPv6 in Debian? |
| 00:06.29 | Wyzard | I want to use a 6to4 address, but it looks like I'll have to come up with my own scheme for automatically configuring the IPv6 address based on the dynamic IPv4 address |
| 00:06.39 | UNDERsoN | How can I know what packages I have to apdate ( using apt) |
| 00:06.45 | stew | click your heels together and say "there's no place like :::1" |
| 00:06.50 | flyinprogramer | alright, off topic, other then its a debian webserver, i'm looking for mindmapping software where i could edit mindmaps through a web browser... |
| 00:06.54 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:07.09 | UNDERsoN | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.33 | flyinprogramer | or an awesome todo list type of software, again that i could access and edit through a web browser |
| 00:07.55 | stew | UNDERsoN: "aptitude update ; aptitude -s upgrade" the first command says 'go to the servers and see what is avaialable. the second says "simulate (-s) an upgrade, and tell me what you would do" |
| 00:07.58 | dryrot | trac ! |
| 00:08.11 | themill | UNDERsoN: apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade; or use cron-apt or adept-notifier or update-notifier |
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| 00:08.36 | SlackRat | adept? ack...... |
| 00:08.50 | themill | yeah well... |
| 00:08.57 | themill | never used it myself |
| 00:09.18 | SlackRat | DONT! run like hell in the opposite direction! |
| 00:09.27 | themill | heh |
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| 00:09.44 | stew | i am proud of myself for remembering to run "aptitude safe-upgrade" today, so that it wouldn't bitch at me |
| 00:09.56 | themill | !pony stew |
| 00:10.00 | stew | \*/ |
| 00:10.10 | themill | stew: well done ;) I still forget every time... |
| 00:10.19 | UNDERsoN | stew and themill thanks. Kernel update avalibe )) heh. |
| 00:10.23 | wols | now I know why I never get a pony, stew takes them all! |
| 00:10.34 | themill | !pony wols |
| 00:10.39 | SlackRat | you dont wanna know what he does with em either..... |
| 00:10.57 | wols | and you certainly don't know what I do with them |
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| 00:11.01 | wols | people need their proteins |
| 00:11.19 | themill | I'm wondering about writing an alias for the safe-upgrade thing.... just like I have gerp=grep... |
| 00:11.25 | SlackRat | filet of pony |
| 00:11.38 | themill | !kill SlackRat |
| 00:11.39 | stew | if i really received ponies for the stuff i do in channel, my wife would be much happier with me spending so much time in here |
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| 00:12.04 | themill | stew: you'd have a pretty bit feeding and stabling bill though.... |
| 00:12.06 | SlackRat | !kill themill |
| 00:12.09 | SlackRat | hah |
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| 00:12.10 | jelly-home | stew: but you'd stink of horses |
| 00:12.27 | enouf | jahshua: add vga=791 to your kernel root= line in menu.list |
| 00:12.28 | stew | you take the good you take the bad and there you have... |
| 00:12.36 | stew | a happy mrs. stew is a happy stew |
| 00:12.37 | themill | SlackRat: rather be killed by a knoppix cd than an aol cd. At least I died with dignity :) |
| 00:12.38 | SlackRat | er, actually he'd stink of ponies, a decidely different aroma |
| 00:12.50 | SlackRat | themill has a point...sigh |
| 00:13.02 | SlackRat | if i keep killing you,eventually itll be buntu tho.... |
| 00:13.04 | SlackRat | mwhahaha |
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| 00:14.09 | mavric | are the network mirrors for debian down? |
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| 00:14.39 | stew | mavric: no. it would take a lot to do such a thing, since there are so many spread across so many countries |
| 00:14.43 | themill | there were no updates for a few days if that's what you mean |
| 00:14.43 | mavric | trying to do a vb install of etch, and it stalls at the download packages |
| 00:15.02 | jahshua | enouf: thank you. |
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| 00:15.21 | stew | mavric: hit alt-f2 to get to a console and see if networking is working at all, and see if dns resolution is working |
| 00:15.33 | mavric | stew ok |
| 00:16.05 | petemc | dont expect to use ping to do that, tho |
| 00:16.15 | mavric | stew: ifconfig? |
| 00:16.24 | stew | is ping really not on the CDs? |
| 00:16.40 | petemc | it wasnt last time i tried |
| 00:17.20 | stew | mavric: see if "wget -O- http://google.com" works and if not try "wget -O- http://64.233.167.99" |
| 00:17.42 | Seq | does anybody know how I can have my repository share source files, but separate binary files? I'm using dupload to upload all files together, but apt-ftparchive seems to act up when trying to generate the binary repository |
| 00:18.21 | themill | reprepro will do it for you |
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| 00:19.00 | mavric | stew: yes it works |
| 00:19.08 | Seq | themill: thanks! |
| 00:19.21 | stew | mavric: both? |
| 00:19.31 | mavric | google works, lemme try the ip |
| 00:19.33 | stew | mavric: err, did google.com work (and therefore dns and networking both work?) |
| 00:19.36 | stew | mavric: nah don't bother |
| 00:19.45 | stew | mavric: if the first works they both work |
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| 00:19.56 | mavric | well i got the 100% notification |
| 00:20.31 | stew | mavric: hit alt-f3 (or is it alt-f4?) to get to the console, see if you can tell us which mirror it is trying to use |
| 00:20.46 | mavric | index html 100% |
| 00:20.51 | stew | or if there is some error there that is more informative |
| 00:20.59 | mavric | ok |
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| 00:21.56 | flyinprogramer | so does anyone know of any software, probably like php scripts, java or flash, applications that i could host on my webserver that enable me to create mind maps ? |
| 00:22.07 | mavric | stew : this is an older version of etch, have the repos changed? |
| 00:22.23 | abrotman | mavric: which one are you trying to use? |
| 00:22.28 | mavric | 4.0 |
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| 00:22.44 | abrotman | no .. which mirror |
| 00:22.53 | mavric | ftp.debian.us |
| 00:22.56 | Orion_X11 | Is there a debian appl for learning guitar? |
| 00:23.06 | mavric | ive tried the uk one as well |
| 00:23.07 | Ronin | Orion_X11: a guitar and a book |
| 00:23.23 | abrotman | actually .. dguitar can play the .g4 files |
| 00:23.35 | Orion_X11 | Ronin: Very funny :-( |
| 00:23.44 | mavric | my hardware is not supported in the original kernel for etch, therefore, im trying to install on a virtual box |
| 00:23.45 | SlackRat | damn, now i have to install dguitar.... |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | SlackRat: why? |
| 00:24.05 | mavric | which emulates older hardware, is my understanding |
| 00:24.06 | abrotman | erm .. plays .gp4 files |
| 00:24.24 | SlackRat | to check it out....just got a guitar after years of not playing....might as well try it |
| 00:24.37 | Ronin | who was joking? |
| 00:24.50 | abrotman | SlackRat: you can find .gp4 files at ultimate-guitar.com |
| 00:25.07 | stew | mavric: ftp.debian.us ? really? or do you mean ftp.us.debian.org ? |
| 00:25.09 | SlackRat | really? great.....i end up there often enough for chords and tabs |
| 00:25.17 | SlackRat | thanks |
| 00:25.23 | mavric | stew: ive tried both, as well as the uk mirror |
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| 00:26.27 | stew | mavric: can you go back to the console and tell me what happens if you run "wget -O /dev/null http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz" ? |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | SlackRat: well .. apparently dguitar on lenny is borked .. or java is .. not sure which yet |
| 00:26.43 | mavric | ok |
| 00:26.53 | SlackRat | hmn, installing on etch atm..... |
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| 00:27.14 | SlackRat | i d guess java, but im anti javist anyways, so.... |
| 00:27.50 | SlackRat | wow, no problems on etch |
| 00:28.00 | abrotman | yeah .. it worked for me before .. now it doesn't |
| 00:28.19 | mavric | wget: not an http or ftp url: /dev/null : stew |
| 00:28.40 | SlackRat | blame java, its easier |
| 00:28.43 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 00:28.44 | themill | mavric: check your typing... |
| 00:29.14 | themill | night all! |
| 00:29.15 | abrotman | SlackRat: oh .. i am :) |
| 00:29.40 | SlackRat | :-) |
| 00:29.43 | ale777 | hi guys, when i install a new package with apt-get where i know where the packgae has been installed? where do i access its documentation? |
| 00:29.43 | stew | mavric: "wget -O /dev/null http://...." thats "dash capital oh /dev/null..." |
| 00:30.04 | SlackRat | man <pkg name> ? |
| 00:30.13 | stew | ale777: "dpkg -L packagename" for the list of files it installed, the documentation is /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 00:30.30 | mavric | stew: its downloading |
| 00:30.31 | stew | ale777: and "dpkg -L packagename | grep man" would list any manpages it installed |
| 00:30.52 | stew | mavric: ok, this means that you are actually able to download from the ftp.us.debian.org mirror |
| 00:31.14 | stew | mavric: do you know if you were trying to use ftp or http in the installer? (http is recommended unless you have a good reason not to use it) |
| 00:31.17 | mavric | stew: thanks, that means something else is wrong |
| 00:31.31 | mavric | stew: ftp |
| 00:31.41 | mavric | stew: i will retry with http |
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| 00:32.01 | mavric | thanks for the help |
| 00:32.25 | stew | mavric: you're welcome. if it still doens't work, check alt-f3 or alt-f4 for any useful errors |
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| 00:33.04 | mypapit | ok, gtg now.. have phun! |
| 00:33.13 | Arafangion | stew: Why do you recommend http? |
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| 00:34.06 | abrotman | Arafangion: FTP sucks on so many levels :) |
| 00:34.12 | stew | Arafangion: its faster and less prone to problems. /msg dpkg ftp must die |
| 00:34.22 | S4nD3r | Hi there. I was downloading a file using wget |
| 00:34.38 | S4nD3r | but the connection was closed (ctrl+c) |
| 00:34.46 | S4nD3r | Is possible to continue downloading? |
| 00:34.53 | wols | S4nD3r: yes. man wget |
| 00:34.53 | jelly-home | S4nD3r: man wget. -c option. |
| 00:34.54 | S4nD3r | OR I need to download all again? |
| 00:35.25 | wols | S4nD3r: tho some servers don't support a reget, but usually they do |
| 00:35.34 | S4nD3r | I will use this option |
| 00:36.01 | S4nD3r | Im downloading ubuntu liveCD to install in my pendrive |
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| 00:38.48 | S4nD3r | Is there any distribution specific to install in pendrives? |
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| 00:40.43 | mavric | stew: which mirror would you recommend? |
| 00:41.01 | S4nD3r | Is availlable lenny live CD to download? |
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| 00:42.38 | Arafangion | abrotman: I already knew of those issues, except for the default-to-ascii, I guess I've been lucky to use recent implementations of ftp. |
| 00:42.57 | ale777 | stew: i have installed lighttpd but it seems some docs are missing |
| 00:42.58 | abrotman | Arafangion: ftp sucks! .. and i didn't reference you to that document |
| 00:43.15 | Arafangion | abrotman: Though when its presented like that, I don't see why people don't just use sftp. |
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| 00:43.23 | S4nD3r | Is availlable lenny live CD to download? |
| 00:43.43 | abrotman | Arafangion: are you serious? security? that'll never happen :) |
| 00:43.46 | S4nD3r | debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent This one??? |
| 00:43.47 | levander | how do I send server argument to the X server when I'm using the 'startx' command? |
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| 00:43.54 | Arafangion | S4nD3r: No, you have to drive to the office, and pay $999 per user for a copy. |
| 00:43.54 | levander | server arguments* |
| 00:44.08 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 00:44.16 | ale777 | stew: actually a lot of docs are missing |
| 00:44.47 | mavric | distro.ibiblio.com not working either |
| 00:44.54 | S4nD3r | stew, Is there liveCD of lenny? |
| 00:44.55 | Arafangion | abrotman: I often cynically believe that unless windows can handle <insert X> by default, then X will never occur. |
| 00:44.56 | AussieHatter | is it safe to remove /usr/share/doc ? |
| 00:45.18 | zythmer | levander: startx -- <insert arguments here like -nolisten tcp> |
| 00:45.22 | Arafangion | AussieHatter: It's probably safe to archive it, sure. |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | Arafangion: see |
| 00:46.02 | levander | zythmer: I tried 'startx -- -version', thinking I'd just get the version info and no X graphics pop up, but I got the X graphics. |
| 00:46.09 | AussieHatter | Arafangion, thx |
| 00:46.33 | mavric | guess ill have to try ubuntu or something, this sure isnt working out |
| 00:47.09 | Arafangion | abrotman: see what? |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | Arafangion: sftp won't happen :) |
| 00:47.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: Ahh, you meant "indeed". :) |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | no .. i meant "see!" |
| 00:47.52 | Arafangion | abrotman: Hmm, the exclaimation mark could work. |
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| 00:48.25 | Arafangion | abrotman: I also believe that the internet protocol of tomorrow is http, so I tend to try and resist as much as I can. |
| 00:48.47 | Arafangion | abrotman: My uni project uses http as its primary protocol, unfortunately, due to -crap- networks. |
| 00:48.48 | zythmer | levander: Tried 'Xorg -version'? I'm running X and it reports back fine. It may respond differently if you aren't already running it. |
| 00:48.50 | abrotman | of tomorrow? |
| 00:49.06 | Arafangion | abrotman: Some might say, "of today" instead. |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:49.34 | Arafangion | abrotman: I wrote a custom RPC system using http. |
| 00:50.01 | levander | zythmer: that was just a way to test if the '--' works. But, I think the problem was that 'startx' wanted me to be root for some reason. |
| 00:50.26 | levander | Different question: How do I pass server arguments to X when I'm kicking it off via gdm? |
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| 00:50.56 | S4nD3r | hello |
| 00:51.01 | dvs | hui |
| 00:51.14 | S4nD3r | is possible to get help step-by-step to install debian in usbdrive/ |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | Arafangion: you're a sick sick man |
| 00:51.44 | Arafangion | abrotman: It had to work with the uni network, which was a nasty proxy. ;( |
| 00:52.10 | Arafangion | abrotman: And I had a php guru on my team. ;) |
| 00:52.27 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 00:52.29 | abrotman | that's just sick |
| 00:52.31 | Arafangion | abrotman: Used a custom file format as well. :) |
| 00:52.53 | Arafangion | abrotman: And no, it wasn't XML, we aren't _that_ bad. |
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| 00:53.09 | AussieHatter | anyone know how long google proxys websites for ? |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | caches you mean? |
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| 00:54.23 | osmosis_ | Where can I download the .deb for php5-ffmpeg ? |
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| 00:54.53 | SlackRat | its not at debian.org? |
| 00:55.23 | SlackRat | under the branch you have installed? |
| 00:55.31 | S4nD3r | is possible to get help step-by-step to install debian in usbdrive/ |
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| 00:55.57 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 00:55.57 | dpkg | [usb-install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
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| 01:08.32 | AussieHatter | abrotman, no google is actually caching old data |
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| 01:09.01 | sine | hello. I try to install some packages and I always get message 'debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (strict.pm did not return a true value at (eval 1) line 2. |
| 01:09.26 | sine | could you help me with them, pls? |
| 01:09.31 | AussieHatter | oh, you said caches, then yes, caching is proxy isnt it ? |
| 01:10.03 | simonrvn | no, not necessarily |
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| 01:14.10 | Yggdrasil | hello, newb question here, how do i set mysql to start automatcly on boot? |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | when you install mysql-server .. that should happen |
| 01:14.46 | gbp | Yggdrasil: man update-rc.d |
| 01:15.42 | Yggdrasil | tha\nk u kind sir |
| 01:16.13 | btl | i tried installing debian 4.0r1 (netinst) but it won't detect either my linksys lne100tx OR my 3com 3c905 pci ethernet cards. any ideas what to do? (would full 3dvd set include these drivers?) |
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| 01:17.01 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
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| 01:17.20 | wols | btl: no |
| 01:17.20 | dvs | btl: I'm surprised that it doesn't detect either network card, especially the 3Com one. |
| 01:17.21 | Yggdrasil | 3c905 isnt that an isa card? |
| 01:17.25 | Yggdrasil | oh no |
| 01:17.29 | wols | and those cards are very very common so something is amiss |
| 01:17.31 | Yggdrasil | it should see that |
| 01:17.35 | dvs | Yggdrasil: the 509 is I think |
| 01:17.38 | btl | i even checked the modules directory, didnt have either module there |
| 01:17.41 | Yggdrasil | no its not |
| 01:17.43 | Yggdrasil | hmm |
| 01:17.53 | wols | btl: ifconfig -a |
| 01:17.53 | btl | wols: my thoughts exactly |
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| 01:18.07 | dvs | btl: the 3com one is 3c59x IIRC |
| 01:18.17 | btl | dvs: yes and that's not on the cd |
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| 01:18.31 | dvs | btl: probably in the initrd file |
| 01:18.55 | gbp | btl: faulty nic/pci slot? |
| 01:19.08 | dvs | btl: what motherboard? |
| 01:19.08 | btl | i have it booted on another drive right now with the 3c905 |
| 01:19.15 | btl | dvs: an old ass msi, but it works |
| 01:19.36 | dvs | btl: old "ass" is acceptable. As long as it isn't super new. |
| 01:19.43 | Yggdrasil | lspci? |
| 01:19.50 | Yggdrasil | give us that info |
| 01:19.59 | btl | Yggdrasil: lspci returned complete blank (which struck me as very very odd) |
| 01:20.10 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:20.20 | btl | on gentoo with the 3c905 in there, i get: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] |
| 01:20.22 | Yggdrasil | under that the os u said u booted |
| 01:20.23 | dvs | btl: Don't install it on a Mac? ;-) |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | did you try another slot? |
| 01:20.34 | wols | btl: more info about the mobo please then |
| 01:20.40 | btl | Yggdrasil: see above |
| 01:21.07 | btl | dvs: it's not a mac, it's a 1.2ghz amd thunderbird machine |
| 01:21.20 | wols | btl: if there aren't any pci devices listed it's quite understandable that not driver for any pci device will work... |
| 01:21.51 | btl | wols: booting from debian cd lspci returns nothing at all (as in, no text about any devices). booted under gentoo on the same machine it returns: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang] |
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| 01:22.41 | wols | cat /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 01:22.56 | btl | wols, booting from debian or gentoo? |
| 01:23.18 | Yggdrasil | odd |
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| 01:23.51 | btl | i'm just asking if the full install dvd has these modules? if anyone knows. the netinst image doesn't have them |
| 01:23.52 | wols | debian. I don't care about gentoo |
| 01:24.08 | wols | both netinst and the DVD do |
| 01:24.46 | wols | your problem lies elsewhere: no pci devices shown via lspci, then no drivers for PCI devices are loaded. ever |
| 01:24.55 | wols | cause those devices just "don't exist" |
| 01:25.19 | btl | wols: where's the 3c95x module on the netinst cd? because it's not in /lib/modules/.../kernel/drivers/net with the rest |
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| 01:25.48 | wols | checked the initrd? |
| 01:26.22 | btl | what am i supposed to check that for |
| 01:26.47 | wols | 3c59x is compiled in: /boot/config-2.6.18-4-k7:CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y |
| 01:27.00 | wols | so yes there is support for it. now do what I asked you to do please |
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| 01:28.16 | btljuice | wols: there is no /boot on the netinst cd i just booted from |
| 01:28.55 | btljuice | .. /proc/bus/pci/devices <- also blank |
| 01:28.59 | wols | btljuice: but there is a kernel and debina uses the same kernelsource for all its kernels. this drievr is in debian. if you don#t believe me, your choice |
| 01:29.12 | wols | boot with "noapic" perhaps |
| 01:29.20 | btljuice | wols: i'm not disagreeing with you. i |
| 01:29.23 | wols | if you can, pastebin the dmesg output |
| 01:29.28 | btljuice | i'm just saying there is no /boot path on that cd |
| 01:29.43 | btljuice | i can't, because it's not on the network (obvious reasons) |
| 01:30.00 | wols | do you have a usb drive? |
| 01:30.08 | wols | doh. can't use that either :( |
| 01:30.26 | wols | still dmesg should tell you or give you a clue why there is no PCI device at all |
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| 01:31.47 | wols | btljuice: this is the 4.0r1 etch netinst? not a lenny installer or such? |
| 01:32.31 | btljuice | it's 4.0r1 etch |
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| 01:32.53 | btljuice | dmesg has a line saying ACPI Exception |
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| 01:34.51 | wols | acpi=off too |
| 01:35.05 | wols | boot with noapic and acpi=off as bootparameters |
| 01:35.13 | btljuice | so at the boot prompt i type: noapic acpi=off |
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| 01:39.21 | btljuice | wols, that got it |
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| 01:40.35 | wols | take care to use those kernel parameters in your grub menu.lst too (the "#kopt" line |
| 01:42.09 | btljuice | i'll make a note to do that, thanks |
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| 01:59.56 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:59.56 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
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| 02:03.03 | gravity | dondelelcaro: EWIN? :-) |
| 02:03.13 | dondelelcaro | gravity: ENOBRAIN. ;-) |
| 02:03.18 | gravity | hehe |
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| 02:06.15 | aboyz | anyone hosting at rackspace? my server is down anyone else server is down"? |
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| 02:06.37 | Kevin` | aboyz why don't you call their support? |
| 02:06.54 | abrotman | Kevin`: that's the easy way! |
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| 02:07.34 | AussieHatter | any clues anyone on what could cause a network freeze for 30 secs or so then everythign is fine ? |
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| 02:09.42 | AussieHatter | is there a way i can see if a pragram has used swap space ? |
| 02:10.11 | karsten | AussieHatter: ps |
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| 02:14.12 | karsten | AussieHatter: VSZ - RSS ~= swap. |
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| 02:16.17 | bedorlan | -es |
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| 02:25.07 | AussieHatter | karsten, bedorlan, thx |
| 02:25.48 | charzero | How should I go about using 100M of my 1.5G of RAM as swap space? |
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| 02:26.16 | karsten | charzero: You don't use RAM as swap spcace, you use disk as swap space. |
| 02:26.24 | twiggz | http://live.pirillo.com |
| 02:26.28 | twiggz | funny shit there. |
| 02:26.34 | karsten | charzero: You can use RAM as a virtual disk / ramdrive. See your /dev/shm/ mount |
| 02:26.39 | sysop2 | you can use a ram disk on video memory for swap space |
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| 02:26.49 | charzero | karsten: I know. But Oracle, in its infinite wisdom, wants 1Gb of RAM, and my swap partition is only 900M. |
| 02:27.11 | karsten | charzero: add an additional swap file then of 100MB. |
| 02:27.45 | charzero | karsten: Are swap files new? |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | no |
| 02:27.55 | karsten | !tell charzero about swap file |
| 02:27.57 | karsten | charzero: No. |
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| 02:29.21 | karsten | charzero: They've been part of Linux for at least ten years (probably longer). dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swapfile1 bs=100M count=1; mkswap /var/swapfile1; swapon /var/swapfile1 |
| 02:29.47 | pleed | is it possible to read a list of all packages that are installed so i can use this list to install an identical system for testing purpose? |
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| 02:30.14 | karsten | charzero: You can put swapfiles wherever you want, there's no general location they're supposed to go. You'll have to activate them somehow at each boot though. In genelral, swapfiles are a temporary solution utnil you cna repartition your system apropriately. |
| 02:30.37 | AussieHatter | i have a problem on a network where after a random amount of time the network freezes for 30 seconds or so then comes good, is there a way i can use strace to see what is causing the freeze ? |
| 02:30.37 | gravity | pleed: dpkg --get-selectoins |
| 02:30.40 | karsten | pleed: man dpkg / get-selections | set-selections |
| 02:30.43 | gravity | pleed: er... get-selections |
| 02:31.14 | karsten | AussieHatter: strace or wiresharek would be where I'd start. |
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| 02:32.00 | pleed | thanks |
| 02:32.06 | AussieHatter | karsten, thx i will check it out |
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| 02:33.01 | gravyface | running Sarge (I know, I know) and just added a new PATA 320 GB drive -- dmesg sees it as that size, but when I create one primary partition/format with ext3 (1024 blocksize), df shows the size as 294GB. |
| 02:33.42 | dondelelcaro | gravyface: which bit of df are you reading? the freespace or the total size? |
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| 02:34.23 | dondelelcaro | !convert 320 gigabytes to gibibytes |
| 02:34.25 | dpkg | 320 gigabytes is approximately 298.023 gibibytes |
| 02:34.30 | dondelelcaro | furthermore, see above. |
| 02:34.34 | gravyface | Size column. |
| 02:34.36 | gravyface | df -lha |
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| 02:36.08 | AussieHatter | something recently about seagate giving rebates to customers for lying about waht a GB is |
| 02:36.23 | dondelelcaro | they're actually not lying about what a gigabyte is |
| 02:36.31 | karsten | gravyface: How base of you. |
| 02:36.32 | gravyface | its a seagate barracuda |
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| 02:36.54 | jimmybgood | dondelelcaro: uh, the courts found they were lying, thus the settlement |
| 02:37.04 | karsten | gravyface: There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand gibibytes, and those who don't. |
| 02:37.08 | gravyface | hahah |
| 02:37.22 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: courts find all sorts of unusual things |
| 02:37.36 | gravyface | k thanks guys. |
| 02:37.43 | jimmybgood | dondelelcaro: so, your point is? |
| 02:37.49 | dondelelcaro | the SI prefix giga has a defined meaning. |
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| 02:38.32 | jimmybgood | dondelelcaro: what has that to do with lying? |
| 02:39.05 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: they say their drives have 1 gigabyte, and they should be correct |
| 02:39.35 | dondelelcaro | consumers assume that gigabyte means 2**30 when that's not what the SI prefix is |
| 02:39.45 | jimmybgood | dondelelcaro: my point is that their intent was to deceive, whether the SI defines it or not |
| 02:39.56 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: is "byte" a SI unit? |
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| 02:40.10 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it's not a unit |
| 02:40.34 | wols_ | then why does a SI prefix apply if it's no SI unit? |
| 02:40.48 | dondelelcaro | wols_: because the SI prefixes are being used? |
| 02:40.52 | jimmybgood | dondelelcaro: further giga is a modification of a unit of measuring, not of counting |
| 02:41.10 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: "giga" came into the world via SI now? |
| 02:41.11 | jimmybgood | at least as far is SI is concerned |
| 02:41.41 | dondelelcaro | wols_: that's certainly the reason why we use it in computers, and why we use gibi to differentiate. |
| 02:41.59 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: hence "prefix" |
| 02:42.11 | jimmybgood | prefix to a unit |
| 02:42.27 | jimmybgood | a byte is not a unit of measurement, it's a thing |
| 02:42.42 | dondelelcaro | well, I like slightly; it's a measurement of information |
| 02:42.47 | dondelelcaro | s/like/lied/ |
| 02:43.22 | dondelelcaro | but it's not one that is currently defined by SI, because it's not really a physical quantity |
| 02:43.27 | jimmybgood | actually things are normally counted in powers of ten and so seagate would still be correct |
| 02:43.36 | abrotman | jimmybgood: a byte is a unit of measurement |
| 02:44.04 | jimmybgood | but bytes are typically counted in powers of two |
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| 02:44.14 | jimmybgood | and that's what people expect |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | so it doesn't quantify? |
| 02:44.24 | dondelelcaro | it's what some people expect |
| 02:44.46 | S4nD3r | I gave up to install debian in usbdrive |
| 02:44.46 | jimmybgood | dondelelcaro: most people who are interested |
| 02:44.50 | dondelelcaro | those who know, specify it explicitely. [And it's been a long time since I haven't read on a drive package that GB==10^9] |
| 02:45.29 | Supaplex | standards! there's a wonderful thing about standards. |
| 02:45.37 | S4nD3r | Its so hard to install |
| 02:45.50 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: there are a few working images out there already |
| 02:46.03 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: the main problem is getting your motherboard to boot the silly things |
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| 02:46.31 | S4nD3r | umm... |
| 02:46.37 | S4nD3r | anyway its so hard |
| 02:46.53 | S4nD3r | I didnt get to make installation in drive |
| 02:46.58 | S4nD3r | lol |
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| 02:48.24 | Supaplex | !be usb barbie |
| 02:48.24 | dpkg | usb is hard! |
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| 02:50.00 | streuner | "What does the ara said, after he flight against the wall?" |
| 02:50.10 | streuner | "Life is HARD" ;-) |
| 02:50.50 | jimmybgood | abrotman: according to NIST, the byte is not a base unit and I see no way of way defining a byte in combinations of SI base units |
| 02:51.42 | Supaplex | !be life barbie |
| 02:51.42 | dpkg | But life is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 02:51.45 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | so a byte doesn't quantify a number of bits? |
| 02:52.11 | AussieHatter | why is some swap space always allocated if there is plenty of ram ? |
| 02:52.22 | jimmybgood | yes, it does, but SI definitions have nothing to do with it - it's just counting |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | it's still measuring |
| 02:53.27 | jimmybgood | no, measuring has limited precision, counting is exact |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | a byte is 8 bits .. precise enough ? |
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| 02:53.47 | aboyz | anyone hosting at rackspace? my server is down anyone else server is down"? |
| 02:53.57 | jimmybgood | precision does not apply - it is exactly 8 bits |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | aboyz: did you call them yet? it's been over an hour |
| 02:54.03 | aboyz | yes |
| 02:54.05 | aboyz | they toldme power isssues |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | so why are you asking us? |
| 02:54.47 | aboyz | wonder if anyone is effective |
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| 02:54.51 | aboyz | or got server from them |
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| 02:55.08 | wols_ | as soon as I find out at what, I let you know |
| 02:55.34 | wols_ | and for the interim: /msg dpkg polls |
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| 02:56.24 | Supaplex | aboyz: ouch :P aren't they in the UK? |
| 02:56.40 | aboyz | they everywhere |
| 02:56.46 | aboyz | they in TEXAS |
| 02:56.55 | Supaplex | ohhHHhhh... really. |
| 02:56.57 | wols_ | Supaplex: don't encourage them |
| 02:57.02 | wols_ | Supaplex: and learn to use whois |
| 02:57.09 | Supaplex | the're pricey anyway |
| 02:57.45 | aboyz | pricey |
| 02:57.50 | S4nD3r | oh. my pen is crazy |
| 02:57.56 | S4nD3r | how to format it? |
| 02:58.02 | wols_ | Supaplex: man mkfs |
| 02:58.13 | Supaplex | >.> |
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| 02:59.26 | wols_ | Supaplex: I know. should've been S4nD3r |
| 02:59.32 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:59.52 | streuner | sda isnt a partition |
| 03:00.12 | Supaplex | wols_: no worries :) We all have our misdirects. |
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| 03:00.58 | AussieHatter | htop is much nicer than top |
| 03:01.07 | wols_ | S4nD3r: use an fdisk to create partitions first, then format that partition |
| 03:01.51 | S4nD3r | Im trying this |
| 03:02.52 | S4nD3r | Dispositivo Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 03:02.52 | S4nD3r | /dev/sda1 1 1023 3964094 b W95 FAT32 |
| 03:03.06 | S4nD3r | Its ok, right? |
| 03:03.44 | wols_ | yes |
| 03:03.50 | wols_ | looks like it |
| 03:04.17 | S4nD3r | this now ? mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 03:04.23 | Supaplex | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg i-g for the install guide. it covers this to |
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| 03:07.29 | S4nD3r | NOw its formated? |
| 03:07.46 | Supaplex | didn't the message tell you? |
| 03:08.17 | S4nD3r | theres no error |
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| 03:08.34 | Supaplex | that's usually success. echo $? it should be 0 |
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| 03:12.26 | NixNod | Someone here? |
| 03:13.14 | abrotman | no |
| 03:13.27 | jimmybgood | just us bots |
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| 03:14.38 | S4nD3r | just a help |
| 03:14.49 | S4nD3r | my pendrive, is automouting |
| 03:15.23 | S4nD3r | The "label" is : volume removivel 3,8GB |
| 03:15.28 | S4nD3r | is possible to chance it? |
| 03:15.31 | S4nD3r | change |
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| 03:16.10 | mogra | hello, debbers |
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| 03:18.34 | morrie | anyone have success connecting to an ubuntu box through vnc from a windows box? |
| 03:19.23 | mogra | yea |
| 03:19.25 | morrie | i am using a viewer and it doesn't ask me for a user, just a password... and i keep getting auth failures |
| 03:19.40 | morrie | do i need to create the same user in windows as the linux box? |
| 03:19.41 | mogra | but that didn't happen to me :| sry |
| 03:19.56 | eps | morrie, we do it every day at work, should be simple as |
| 03:20.02 | morrie | which vnc client do you use? |
| 03:20.06 | Arafangion | morrie: We don't support Ubuntu here, but anyway. |
| 03:20.07 | morrie | it's typically simpel for me |
| 03:20.09 | eps | winvnc I think |
| 03:20.16 | eps | we use tightvnc under linux |
| 03:20.31 | morrie | yeah, i know you don't, i should have changed buntu to linux |
| 03:20.49 | gravity | We don't support "linux" either really |
| 03:20.49 | morrie | im using realvnc and it doesn't ask for a user |
| 03:21.00 | eps | bah, ubuntu is still stealing the packages for vnc from debian, and it's an issue they both share, get over it |
| 03:21.13 | morrie | hehe, i know... it's a general issue is it not? |
| 03:21.15 | eps | morrie, yeah it assumes your current userident |
| 03:21.24 | gravity | eps: How do you know that it's a shared issue? |
| 03:21.26 | morrie | so I do need to create a new user |
| 03:21.27 | morrie | thanks |
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| 03:21.36 | gravity | Are you sure they haven't patched the package like they do for so many other packages? |
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| 03:21.52 | eps | gravity, because we have a series of debian boxes, and a series of ubuntu boxes, and we have to vnc to them daily...and I have to set them up |
| 03:22.12 | gravity | eps: And you |
| 03:22.17 | gravity | 've seen the issue in Debian? |
| 03:22.22 | eps | gravity, I use the debian deb's under ubuntu as it fixes a webmin issue and it still occurs - it is an issue with the viewer not really deb/ubu |
| 03:22.40 | eps | (webmin, ubuntu, and windows as all to make them win admins happy :/) |
| 03:22.55 | eps | and as far as I'm aware we support debian supported applications here |
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| 03:23.08 | eps | so for the purposes of helping him out lets just assume he said debian to start with |
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| 03:23.25 | gravity | eps: Not exactly, no. We don't support any old package in debian if they're running it on something else |
| 03:23.35 | gravity | eps: We don't support ssh or python running in cygwin |
| 03:23.44 | gravity | Or some gentoo custom-compiled X |
| 03:24.10 | eps | gravity, welcome to you making the linux support world suck. a user has now gone and wont get support because he didn't lie and you are pragmatic. well played |
| 03:24.27 | Arafangion | eps, morrie: Most ubuntu guys just want stuff to "work", from teh gnome panel, and are generally a pain - especially if they fail to realize that they're asking in #debian, not #ubuntu, and that debian != ubuntu. |
| 03:24.44 | Arafangion | eps, morrie: morrie doesn't seem to be in that category, though. |
| 03:24.47 | eps | it was a simple thing to fix, applied to debian current package, and instead, you had to interject |
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| 03:24.59 | gravity | eps: He didn't have to run away |
| 03:25.37 | eps | Arafangion, his issue was to do with the way vnc viewers deal with username enteries; if he had said debian instead of ubuntu people here would have helped him and found a solution |
| 03:25.40 | Arafangion | eps: And note that nobody told him to go, or even to go to #ubuntu, infact, he was already getting help. |
| 03:25.49 | Arafangion | eps: Which you did. |
| 03:25.51 | eps | instead you are flaming me, wasting time when you could be helping others, and generally being rude |
| 03:26.07 | gravity | eps: I wanted to make sure it did affect debian. Since it did, I didn't object to you helping him |
| 03:26.29 | gravity | eps: And no, making sure it's really a Debian problem, and thereby on-topic, isn't being rude. It's being prudent |
| 03:26.31 | Arafangion | eps: I wasn't being rude, I was just saying: "Just be aware that this isn't ubuntu, but anyway" - note that "but anyway" - disregards the issue. |
| 03:26.46 | wols_ | eps: the one being rude is you: wasting other people's ressources with offtopic question |
| 03:26.52 | eps | hay guys, vi is better than emacs, am i rite or WAT! |
| 03:26.56 | Arafangion | eps: If I said "Hey morris, we don't deal with Ubuntu here, try asking #ubuntu", that would've been a completely different issue. |
| 03:27.11 | Arafangion | eps: And vi sucks, there's a reason why there's an improved version of vi around. :) I like version 7 myself. ;) |
| 03:27.25 | eps | Arafangion, indeed, tell that to HP please :( |
| 03:27.37 | wols_ | eps: and if you want to help ubuntu people with their problems, this is fine too, but please do it in #ubuntu |
| 03:27.49 | eps | I joined the linux world when vim already existed, relearning how to use vi under aux was a real pain |
| 03:28.12 | eps | wols_, you are commenting without reading the whole conversation; how do I know this? you're premise is wrong, I asked no question. |
| 03:28.15 | Arafangion | wols_: morris strongly implied a generic linux problem, and was just asking for a generic solution - which he did infact find out the answer to. |
| 03:28.23 | eps | I have no interest in helping ubuntu users |
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| 03:28.32 | grandpapadot | Hi all. How do I tell how long a server has been offline? I tried looking through logs for a timestamp but I figured I would ask as there may be an easy way. This was a power outage. |
| 03:28.46 | eps | ...that is a good question |
| 03:28.53 | Arafangion | Indeed. |
| 03:28.59 | eps | I've always used ups logs |
| 03:29.06 | wols_ | eps: we can't control when people lie to us, but sooner or later someone had asked about the kernel, X vresion or libc version or whatever and it would've come out. at which point he'd be directed to #ubuntu |
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| 03:29.27 | lithophyte | Err http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 03:29.33 | Zippy2 | check logs of machines connected to it |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | lithophyte: /msg dpkg mirrors .. get a new one |
| 03:29.45 | lithophyte | what is wrong with update :( |
| 03:29.51 | wols_ | grandpapadot: the only way are date satamps. logs, files, etc. cause you can't measure something that is not there |
| 03:29.53 | Arafangion | grandpapadot: Excepting logs, I suppose the only clue you might have would be the atime and mtimes of files, unless you turned those off. |
| 03:29.59 | eps | wols_, the conversation is over, if you wish to lecture me you are welcome (free channel) but you are only wasting your own resources, believe me, I got all of this when I was new and a hundred times over the last ten years |
| 03:30.00 | gravity | lithophyte: Check the debian-devel-announce list archives |
| 03:30.04 | gravity | lithophyte: for this month |
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| 03:30.40 | eps | grandpapadot, what services do you have on it? if you have squid the access.log will have the last time a connection was made |
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| 03:31.00 | grandpapadot | Thanks. |
| 03:31.45 | abrotman | grandpapadot: look in /var/log/messages .. it should have MARK lines |
| 03:32.05 | wols_ | abrotman: why? isn#t MARK only used by iptables? |
| 03:32.13 | abrotman | no |
| 03:32.25 | grandpapadot | Thanks, abrotman. |
| 03:32.31 | Arafangion | wols_: What keyboard do you use? |
| 03:32.49 | wols_ | a logitech OEM keyboard |
| 03:32.53 | Arafangion | wols_: What layout? |
| 03:33.04 | wols_ | german |
| 03:33.13 | wols_ | apostrophe is shift # here |
| 03:33.16 | Arafangion | wols_: That's why you had that '#' there, then. :) |
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| 03:33.25 | wols_ | right atop the right shift key and besides the enter key |
| 03:33.27 | grandpapadot | abrotman: What does the "--MARK--" indicator actually mean? |
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| 03:33.44 | grandpapadot | "nothing to see here, move along" ? |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | !mark |
| 03:33.45 | dpkg | mark was Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart. In testing or unstable change /etc/default/syslogd... |
| 03:33.46 | wols_ | grandpapadot: usually iptables MARK |
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| 03:33.55 | grandpapadot | Ahh. Got it. Great. Thanks! |
| 03:34.02 | wols_ | abrotman: how often are those written? |
| 03:34.08 | eps | abrotman, thanks for that, will have to remember it :) |
| 03:34.17 | abrotman | wols_: uhm .. i think you can alter that |
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| 03:34.25 | wols_ | then how often by default? |
| 03:35.34 | wols_ | hmmm, seems to be minutes 35 and 55 every hour here |
| 03:35.37 | wols_ | strange choice |
| 03:35.50 | abrotman | 10 minutes? |
| 03:36.03 | wols_ | not here. and I never conciously messed with syslogd ever |
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| 03:36.23 | wols_ | my syslog there has a lot less granularity |
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| 03:39.18 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:40.42 | wols_ | then where is my x:15 mark? |
| 03:40.47 | wols_ | can't find it anywhere :( |
| 03:41.19 | abrotman | is there a repeat line? |
| 03:41.36 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.39 | abrotman | for exmaples |
| 03:42.19 | wols_ | no. just a pppoe message since I forgot to remove my cronjob watchdog script to restart pppd when it xited |
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| 03:42.55 | wols_ | that and --mark-- lines are all that there is in my /var/log/messages. no repeats even when pppd created a lotrs of repeats ("pppd[21459]: Timeout waiting for PADO packets") |
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| 03:43.30 | Zippy2 | maybe you had to & the pppoe thing? |
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| 03:43.41 | wols_ | Zippy2: huh? |
| 03:43.48 | Zippy2 | in crontab |
| 03:43.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:50.26 | hdevalence | why can't I hardlink directories? |
| 03:50.35 | Random832 | hdevalence: hysterical raisins |
| 03:50.56 | hdevalence | what? |
| 03:50.56 | Wyzard | hdevalence: because it'd be possible to create a directory cycle (a directory that contains itself) that way |
| 03:51.05 | dalias | also directory paths are canonical |
| 03:51.16 | dalias | each dir has exactly one canonical path |
| 03:51.19 | dalias | this is not true of files |
| 03:51.25 | Random832 | [serious answer: traditionally, the number of links for a directory was used to keep track of the number of subdirectories in the directory |
| 03:51.25 | Wyzard | hdevalence: and that's a bad thing to have in a filesystem -- it's impossible to delete except by root using a special "unsafe" delete option |
| 03:51.44 | hdevalence | so I should symlink? |
| 03:51.47 | dalias | yes |
| 03:51.54 | dalias | hard links are usually bad anyway |
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| 03:52.43 | dalias | altho they have a few good uses |
| 03:52.51 | dalias | like where permissions prevent symlinks from reaching |
| 03:52.58 | dalias | for example into/outof a chroot |
| 03:53.07 | dalias | or into a mode 700 directory |
| 03:53.50 | dalias | wyzard, maybe we should switch from linkcounted to garbage-collected filesystems.... |
| 03:53.56 | dalias | </sarcasm> |
| 03:54.07 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:54.18 | dalias | that would be a horrible horrible idea for many reasons |
| 03:54.32 | dalias | (much the same reasons why gc is always stupid compared to refcounting) |
| 03:54.53 | dalias | btw anyone know why rmdir requires the directory to be empty? |
| 03:54.58 | hdevalence | why is it better to use a hard-link over a symlink? |
| 03:54.58 | dalias | it's a good reason |
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| 03:55.05 | hdevalence | or the other way around |
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| 03:56.01 | dalias | hdevalence, symlinks point to the actual canonical pathname of the file. hardlinks just point to the inode, so they don't tell you anything about where the other links to the file live |
| 03:56.09 | dalias | this can be good or bad |
| 03:56.16 | dalias | but usually i find symlinks nicer |
| 03:56.33 | dalias | a symlink also remaind unbroken if you rm and recreate a file or mv another file over top of the file |
| 03:56.39 | dalias | hard links will be broken by these operations |
| 03:56.48 | Wyzard | symlinks make a clear distinction between "original file" and "link to the file" |
| 03:56.56 | Wyzard | A hardlink is just the same file in two places |
| 03:57.30 | Wyzard | It's appropriate in cases where you want to have the same file appear under different names, but symlinks are more appropriate in most other cases |
| 03:58.30 | dalias | btw do you have an answer to my rmdir question? :) |
| 03:59.07 | hdevalence | thanks for the info. by the way, what's the difference between rpm and deb? |
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| 03:59.51 | dalias | deb works and rpm doesn't? :) |
| 03:59.53 | Ryan52 | <hdevalence>: rpm is the package management system used by red hat based systems and deb is used by debian based distro |
| 03:59.57 | Wyzard | dalias: If you deleted a directory while it's not empty, the inodes in it would be orphaned, never having their refcounts decremented and the inodes deallocated if necessary |
| 04:00.12 | Wyzard | dalias: It'd be safe to do on a garbage-collected filesystem though :-P |
| 04:00.17 | kados | if I get an error "Out of memory - malloc (-731906048 bytes)" doing an operation, and I restart the box and try again and I get the same error, does that potentially indicate a memory leak? |
| 04:00.26 | dalias | wyzard, no, their refcounts would be decremented by the directory's deletion |
| 04:00.43 | dalias | the problem is that it's an unboundedly-large atomic operation in kernelspace |
| 04:00.53 | dalias | which is extremely problematic |
| 04:01.22 | simonrvn | s,package management system,package format, |
| 04:01.23 | hdevalence | Ryan52: I know that. what I meant by the question is like, do they handle things differently? they're basically both archives with metadata, right? |
| 04:01.28 | spq | kados, are you on 64bit? |
| 04:02.00 | kados | spq: yea |
| 04:02.06 | simonrvn | hdevalence: cpio for rpm, ar for deb; debs have 2 tarballs, gzipped, and a text file in them |
| 04:02.14 | simonrvn | hdevalence: er, in the ar |
| 04:02.14 | spq | kados, i think you have an application which is badly ported |
| 04:02.20 | spq | or not ported at all |
| 04:02.21 | Wyzard | True, it could work that way, but that'd really just amount to the kernel doing "rm -r *" for you automatically |
| 04:02.26 | kados | spq: ahh, could be |
| 04:02.42 | hdevalence | simonrvn: why two tarballs? |
| 04:02.50 | dalias | wyzard, yes, and add "atomically" on the end |
| 04:02.55 | dalias | which is the big problem |
| 04:02.58 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 04:02.59 | simonrvn | one for package mgt., the other contents |
| 04:02.59 | Wyzard | I understand the problem |
| 04:03.03 | spq | -731906048 is a negative number on 64bit but on 32bit its a positive (because the first 4bytes are removed) |
| 04:03.12 | spq | (kados) |
| 04:03.31 | kados | spq: so is there maybe a file somewhere that's surviving a reboot? |
| 04:03.41 | spq | ?? |
| 04:03.44 | spq | what? |
| 04:03.59 | spq | your application does not work on 64bit |
| 04:03.59 | kados | well, I'd expect if I reboot the box it wouldn't throw the error again |
| 04:04.07 | kados | ok, lemme start over |
| 04:04.16 | kados | I run the application agains a small data set it works fine |
| 04:04.23 | kados | then i threw some real data in it and it borked |
| 04:04.24 | spq | yes |
| 04:04.28 | spq | yes |
| 04:04.30 | moprilo | hi, I |
| 04:04.30 | kados | now, even after a reboot it won't work with small data |
| 04:04.37 | dalias | wyzard, rm -r actually cannot be implemented in bounded memory, so it can easily fail on huge trees |
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| 04:04.58 | marl__ | Does anyone here knows an IDE/Text editor that can highlight html/css/js code, autocompletate them, auto-close tags (in the same file, i mean, in the same .html file do those things)? One different from aptana and komodo editor |
| 04:05.03 | spq | why should a reboot fix an programming error??? |
| 04:05.07 | spq | (kados) |
| 04:05.10 | dalias | well |
| 04:05.28 | dalias | as long as max path depth is less than max open file descriptors, it can be bounded in memory by max path depth |
| 04:05.43 | moprilo | hi, I'm installing debian4r1, but when i finish i get "can't access tty", i have a dell 1900 with raid1. could that be it ? (the raid 1) |
| 04:05.46 | dalias | acually |
| 04:05.50 | dalias | maybe you can even do without that |
| 04:05.57 | spq | kados, what are you running? |
| 04:06.00 | abrotman | marl__: bluefish .. maybe .. also check nvu(not in debian) |
| 04:06.05 | dalias | i think you can get by with just one file descriptor !! |
| 04:06.18 | dalias | because you're deleting |
| 04:06.21 | abrotman | marl__: there's also the iceape composer |
| 04:06.28 | dalias | you don't need to keep track of what's already done -- it's gone :) |
| 04:06.29 | marl__ | ok |
| 04:06.33 | kados | spq: the application is Zebra : http://indexdata.dk/zebra |
| 04:06.41 | dalias | btw |
| 04:06.52 | dalias | i wonder if most rm -r implementations have a race condition with symlinks |
| 04:06.52 | Wyzard | moprilo: no, that has nothing to do with it |
| 04:06.59 | kados | spq: it's an index engine a la lucene |
| 04:07.20 | spq | kados, can you run it in 32bit mode? |
| 04:07.32 | kados | spq: run the box, or the app? |
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| 04:08.00 | kados | balrog:/# uname -a |
| 04:08.01 | kados | Linux balrog.liblime.com 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 01:57:43 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:08.07 | spq | both (if you have the app in 32bit mode, you have to have all libs in 32 bit mode too) |
| 04:08.16 | kados | kernel too? |
| 04:08.18 | spq | or you could just install a 32bit debian |
| 04:08.21 | Wyzard | That's not really practical for kados |
| 04:08.26 | Wyzard | It'd require installing a whole 32-bit Debian |
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| 04:08.35 | spq | kernel only needs additional 32bit "emulation" support |
| 04:09.09 | TJNII | I'm using openntpd and my clock is off by about 5 hours. /etc/timezone looks correct. Any hints? |
| 04:09.09 | moprilo | Wyzard: so what could it be? the server is a QuadCore.. does that mean is no longer a i386? |
| 04:09.10 | Wyzard | (or, alternatively, manual hackery that would be at least as much work as just installing a 32-bit Debian) |
| 04:09.27 | spq | Wyzard, why not just install 32bit libs? |
| 04:09.29 | Wyzard | moprilo: "i386" means any 32-bit x86-compatible processor |
| 04:10.07 | spq | Wyzard: ia32-libs ? |
| 04:10.34 | moprilo | Wyzard: but QuadCore is not 64bits from what i know of, so what could be the problem i'm getting? |
| 04:10.34 | Wyzard | spq: That doesn't include every library that might be needed by kados' app |
| 04:10.44 | Wyzard | spq: and the app itself would have to be built 32-bit too |
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| 04:10.50 | spq | yes |
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| 04:11.06 | spq | (i never had problems with that) |
| 04:11.11 | Wyzard | spq: which would mean either recompiling it, or if it's packaged, installing a 32-bit package |
| 04:11.20 | Wyzard | spq: but you can't install a 32-bit package on 64-bit Debian |
| 04:11.39 | spq | right, but i dont think he uses the debian packaged version |
| 04:11.43 | kados | I installed a debian package |
| 04:11.48 | kados | maybe that's my prob? |
| 04:11.54 | kados | maybe I should compile from source? |
| 04:12.01 | spq | with apt? |
| 04:12.06 | squisher | Hi! Where can I find the output of programs started by my X session? I want to debug I library, need to do some printfs but don't know where the output will go... |
| 04:12.07 | spq | or with dpkg? |
| 04:12.08 | Wyzard | kados: No, packages are generally preferable over compiling from source |
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| 04:12.09 | kados | yea, I installed with apt |
| 04:12.25 | squisher | s/debug I library/debug a library/ |
| 04:12.38 | spq | hmm, that means there is either really a 64bit bug in the package or something else is going on |
| 04:12.46 | Wyzard | moprilo: 64-bit support is irrelevant if you're running 32-bit Debian |
| 04:12.46 | wols_ | squisher: start the program from an X terminal |
| 04:12.50 | spq | you are in stable? |
| 04:12.50 | wols_ | or start X from a terminal |
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| 04:13.19 | squisher | wols_: it's a library, so can't do. Trying to debug libxfcegui4, which is started right away by xfce when I log in |
| 04:13.32 | squisher | wols_: I thought it'd be /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but nothing in there |
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| 04:14.28 | squisher | wols_: Yeah, I guess that's the right solution. Thanks |
| 04:14.28 | Tramp | squisher: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 04:14.53 | squisher | Tramp: Oh yeah! That's it, I know it was somewhere :-). Thanks! |
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| 04:15.37 | spq | <kados> you are in stable? |
| 04:16.27 | kados | spq: yea |
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| 04:20.42 | AussieHatter | which process do you think i should run strace on to work out a random network lag ? |
| 04:20.59 | wols_ | AussieHatter: kernel |
| 04:21.56 | AussieHatter | wols_, hmm, and which process is the specific kernel ? |
| 04:22.26 | wols_ | none |
| 04:22.53 | AussieHatter | i am trying it on smbd but there are smb daemons for each pc |
| 04:23.46 | wols_ | what's in your logs when the lag occurs or very shortly after? |
| 04:24.10 | wols_ | what processes take an unusual amount of cpu then? could it be a hardware issue? |
| 04:24.28 | wols_ | does it happen on all protocols or just a special one? |
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| 04:26.21 | AussieHatter | wols_, it could be, nothing unusual has shown up in syslog, it happens fairly randomly, i have changed switch, nics, turnded pcs off, an xp box just freezes for 30 or 40 secs then comes good again |
| 04:26.21 | AussieHatter | vmware has most priority and is using half the ram |
| 04:26.21 | wols_ | what has the freezing of an XP box to do with debian? |
| 04:26.21 | dalias | indeed..... |
| 04:26.21 | dalias | this is an xp issue |
| 04:26.21 | AussieHatter | no. its a fileserver |
| 04:26.21 | wols_ | next: you run a tainted kernel and wonder about fuckups? |
| 04:26.21 | AussieHatter | debian fileserver. vmware is fine in 20 ither locations |
| 04:26.21 | wols_ | AussieHatter: is the debian (!) fileserver freezing? |
| 04:26.26 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 04:26.26 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 04:26.41 | wols_ | run an untainted kernel and if it still occurs, then it might be a debian problem |
| 04:26.50 | AussieHatter | no, i am not blaming vmware. or anything yet. i am trying to find out why its happening. |
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| 04:27.05 | wols_ | you might not blame vmware but we do. tainted kernel, end of story |
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| 04:27.42 | wols_ | not to mention you haven't told us ANYTHING about the setup |
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| 04:27.58 | wols_ | I mean vmwares, windows freezing etc would be kinda pertinent |
| 04:28.23 | wols_ | e.g what is host, what is cleint, or what has vmware to do with a fileserver? |
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| 04:29.19 | AussieHatter | i was asking about strace. |
| 04:30.06 | hardbop200 | all - I just built aufs. I want to get a .deb kernel with aufs built-in. am I right that now I just copy my aufs.ko to $KERNEL/fs and do a make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image etc? |
| 04:30.12 | wols_ | the question wasn't answerable with the little information you provided |
| 04:30.19 | wols_ | hardbop200: no |
| 04:30.33 | wols_ | hardbop200: how is aufs distributed |
| 04:30.55 | hardbop200 | wols_: I'm not sure I understand how to answer your question... |
| 04:31.00 | wols_ | hardbop200: if you do what you suggested, make-kpkg will simply ignore your module |
| 04:31.07 | AussieHatter | yes, nor is the answer an easy one. i am trying to narrow down monitoring tools to find where to point the finger/ |
| 04:31.10 | wols_ | is aufs a kernel patch or what? |
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| 04:32.09 | wols_ | !tell AussieHatter about smart questions |
| 04:32.22 | hardbop200 | ah...well yes, there are kernel patches included (which I've done), but you also have to build the module and insmod it. I would like to include that in my kernel package so it can be installed on other systems. should the command be make-kpkg modules modules_image? |
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| 04:32.51 | wols_ | what part of "no" didn't you understand? |
| 04:33.33 | hardbop200 | wols_: sorry...I will shutup now. :) |
| 04:33.35 | wols_ | hardbop200: run m-a and look at one of those. then look at the sources for them to check how they do it if you can't put everything into your kernel source tree |
| 04:33.59 | hardbop200 | wols_: thanks for the tip, I will do that. |
| 04:34.06 | wols_ | using only a kernel patch would be the easiest way tho. then you could simply config the kernel like you want it and use make-kpkg |
| 04:34.30 | wols_ | can't this aufs module really not be included ina kernel source tree? |
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| 04:34.56 | hardbop200 | wols_: not sure...learning as I go, so my answers are probably incorrect. |
| 04:35.08 | factor | anyone know a good program to make video of the screen not just screen shot |
| 04:35.12 | wols_ | btw: what is "aufs"? me being german and "aufs" being a german word makes it kinda hard to google |
| 04:35.33 | Wyzard | lol |
| 04:35.39 | hardbop200 | aufs = another union file system. it's a replacement/improvement(?) on unionfs |
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| 04:36.23 | hardbop200 | just curious...what does "aufs" mean in german? |
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| 04:37.22 | wols_ | it's a colloquial for of "auf das" kinde like it's vs it is. it means "onto" plus an article for a noun |
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| 04:37.29 | wols_ | s/for/form |
| 04:37.53 | hardbop200 | ah |
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| 04:38.32 | wols_ | "aufs Auto" = "onto the car" |
| 04:38.50 | Cartooncat | anyone know of a telnet client that correctly supports crtl+c for debian? |
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| 04:39.09 | Wyzard | hmm... I remember learning "vom" as a contraction of "von dem", but I don't remember ever learning "aufs" |
| 04:39.16 | dalias | cartooncat, huh? |
| 04:39.23 | dalias | i think your idea of correct is incorrect.. |
| 04:39.28 | wols_ | Wyzard: colloquial, but not yet slang |
| 04:39.44 | wols_ | Wyzard: "auf das" |
| 04:39.55 | vovo | I am in trouble. I upgraded from etch to lenny. First, the fonts don't look good, the characters look thin and faded out at many portions, such as the vertical line of 'p', the left curve of some 'o'-es. please help. |
| 04:39.56 | Wyzard | I could certainly just be forgetting though -- I haven't really had any practice with German in about eight years |
| 04:40.17 | dalias | hmm wonder what vovo's problem could be |
| 04:40.17 | wols_ | Wyzard: even dict.leo.org knows it http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&search=aufs&relink=on |
| 04:40.26 | dalias | did fontconfig defaults change? |
| 04:40.41 | zythmer | factor: Have you tried captury or recordmydesktop? |
| 04:40.51 | Wyzard | vovo: That sounds like a hinting issue |
| 04:40.56 | wols_ | vovo: what screem what res and what videodriver? |
| 04:41.24 | dalias | vovo, showing a screenshot could help |
| 04:41.37 | wols_ | Wyzard: I had a similar issue with gf2mx, a 19" widescreen and nv. text was unreadbale |
| 04:41.39 | vovo | dalias, wols_, Wyzard: please wait, I'll provide a screen s hot |
| 04:42.04 | wols_ | using some proper modelines and nvidia magically made it all disappear |
| 04:42.21 | vovo | I have an intel card |
| 04:42.24 | Cartooncat | dalias, your likely right, I need to send the crtl+c to the remote when connected, is it possible? |
| 04:42.26 | Wyzard | wols_: That's odd -- the video driver shouldn't play any role in the appearance of displayed text |
| 04:42.36 | dalias | cartooncat, this is what the normal 'telnet' program does |
| 04:42.43 | Wyzard | It just displays bitmaps that are rendered by xorg or freetype |
| 04:42.46 | dalias | control-c is sent to the remote host |
| 04:42.50 | vovo | !tell me about paste |
| 04:43.01 | wols_ | Wyzard: might have worked with nv too but by then I was using nvidia already. couldn't find a way to tell nv about the res |
| 04:43.06 | dalias | only one special configurable escape character is interpreted locally |
| 04:43.10 | dalias | usually control-] |
| 04:43.14 | pythonic | hmm... postfix or exim? |
| 04:43.20 | wols_ | etch standard install surely didn't work for me. should be fixed in drxx I guess |
| 04:43.42 | wols_ | !start an MTA war |
| 04:43.43 | dpkg | qmail is a spam magnet |
| 04:43.50 | dalias | ahhaha |
| 04:43.52 | Wyzard | wols_: oh, you're talking about something different, just running an LCD at the wrong resolution |
| 04:43.54 | wols_ | pythonic: so now you know what not to use |
| 04:43.58 | dalias | no qmail is just buggy nonfree crap |
| 04:44.17 | dalias | with unacknowledged root vulns |
| 04:44.26 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: either works; postfix easier to configure, exim is more powerful |
| 04:44.30 | dalias | and broken promises of prizes for finding a vuln |
| 04:45.22 | pythonic | dondelelcaro: ok, thx. i think i'll start with postfix then :-) |
| 04:45.27 | vovo | dalias, wols_, Wyzard: Here is the pic:- http://picpaste.com/pics/irc.1194929067.png |
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| 04:45.57 | Wyzard | vovo: That looks fine to me |
| 04:46.10 | wols_ | vovo: I asked you some questions. please respond |
| 04:46.16 | mortal1 | I was wondering if anyone knew how to set the port on which telnetd-ssl runs in debian? (yes I know ssh is better, no i can't use it) |
| 04:46.21 | Wyzard | vovo: The stand of a 'p' is a single column of black pixels |
| 04:46.40 | wols_ | mortal1: is that daemon started via inetd? |
| 04:46.41 | mortal1 | I've looked in /etc/telnetd-ssl/ and neither file mentions anything about port |
| 04:46.56 | simonrvn | telent is 23 |
| 04:46.59 | simonrvn | net |
| 04:47.00 | mortal1 | wols_: um yes I think |
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| 04:47.07 | wols_ | mortal1: then that's your answer |
| 04:47.15 | dondelelcaro | blech. why telnet-ssl? |
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| 04:47.29 | mortal1 | because my work blocks ssh packets |
| 04:47.35 | spanther | how do i setup xmms that it reconnects radio streams after the loss of connection after reconnecting from router ? |
| 04:47.39 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:47.40 | dondelelcaro | mortal1: so use a different port |
| 04:47.59 | spanther | i mean that it trys to reconnect the radio stream ever and ever again until it reachs the host again (when internet is coming back) |
| 04:48.10 | dondelelcaro | since odds are if they're blocking 22, they're blocking 23, 25, 992, etc. |
| 04:48.11 | mortal1 | dondelelcaro: you don't understand, if it's not clear text or ssl encryption, it's blocked |
| 04:48.33 | mortal1 | no no, I've run ssh on port 443 (https) |
| 04:48.34 | wols_ | isn't ssh ssl? |
| 04:48.34 | dondelelcaro | mortal1: so ssh through stunnel |
| 04:48.44 | Wyzard | wols_: nope |
| 04:48.47 | pythonic | hmm.. and faximum supports postfix but not exim, .. so decision made! |
| 04:49.07 | Wyzard | wols_: OpenSSH uses the OpenSSL library for the crypto functions, but it's a completely different protocol network-wise |
| 04:49.18 | wols_ | interesting |
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| 04:49.31 | mortal1 | can I run stunnel on a windows machine without installing any software? |
| 04:49.46 | dondelelcaro | can you ssh on a windows machine without software? |
| 04:49.50 | Wyzard | mortal1: Do they decode the protocol in every TCP connection to determine whether it's plaintext and/or SSL? |
| 04:49.52 | simonrvn | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:49.52 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 04:50.04 | spanther | please say me what i do have to do that xmms automatically tries to reconnect streams after loosing connection |
| 04:50.05 | vovo | Wyzard, wols_: you see no problem at all in any of the character? |
| 04:50.16 | Wyzard | vovo: nope, looks fine to me |
| 04:50.21 | mortal1 | Wyzard: all I know is I've ran my ssh server on port 443 when i know they don't block that port |
| 04:50.26 | vovo | wols_: I am replying to yours, please wait. |
| 04:50.28 | wols_ | vovo: no. last time: I asked you something. please answer |
| 04:50.32 | mortal1 | and it was blocked |
| 04:50.44 | Wyzard | vovo: so the problem isn't with the text being rendered to the framebuffer, it's presumably with how the framebuffer is being displayed to the screen |
| 04:50.50 | Wyzard | vovo: Is it an LCD? |
| 04:50.50 | vovo | Wyzard: I guess printscreen reads from the image buffer which must be perfect. it is displaying wrong in the screen. |
| 04:51.02 | vovo | Wyzard: yes an LCD |
| 04:51.17 | wols_ | vovo: use the LCD's native resolution |
| 04:51.37 | Wyzard | vovo: LCDs only support one resolution, and anything else requires scaling, which can cause the artifacts you're talking about |
| 04:52.12 | mortal1 | Wyzard: I'm not sure how they're blocking ssh, I thought if I ran it on 443 it would look like an https connection, but I was wrong |
| 04:52.37 | vovo | wols_: my xorg.conf file:- http://pastebin.com/ma9633 Driver is i810 and resolution: 1152 x 768; Refresh rate: 55 Hz |
| 04:52.42 | Wyzard | mortal1: Try some arbitrary other port, like 12345 |
| 04:52.51 | simonrvn | so use another port .... |
| 04:52.57 | Wyzard | vovo: Is 1152x768 the native resolution for your LCD? |
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| 04:53.20 | vovo | Wyzard: I think so, because how it was when I first installed Debian by default. is there a way I can find out the native resolution? |
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| 04:53.38 | vovo | another question, how can I find the resolution from the shell? |
| 04:53.39 | wols_ | vovo: read-edid perhaps |
| 04:53.50 | wols_ | or better, check your LCD's manual |
| 04:53.53 | wols_ | what model is it? |
| 04:54.04 | vovo | Dell 14 inch monitor |
| 04:54.14 | wols_ | model? |
| 04:54.33 | mortal1 | Wyzard: only ports 80,443, and 21 are allowed |
| 04:54.55 | vovo | no idea, i just bought it from a friend, second hand |
| 04:55.08 | wols_ | usually it's printed on the monitor itself... |
| 04:55.18 | sf7 | hi! mplayer gives fatal error opening/initing the selected video_out(-vo) device. ive just installed it. can anyone help? |
| 04:55.18 | vovo | back side? |
| 04:55.37 | wols_ | sf7: which device exactly did you chose? |
| 04:55.41 | Wyzard | vovo: Actually, lenny's version of xorg is new enough that it can autodetect the appropriate resolution for a monitor |
| 04:55.45 | Tramp | mortal1: Probably they are proxying everything that goes out. So tunnelling may be your only possibility. Thereby you probably violate a security-policy of your company |
| 04:56.09 | vovo | Wyzard: can I run the installer of xorg once again? I don't remember whether I allowed it to overwrite my xorg.conf. |
| 04:56.18 | wols_ | Tramp: that goes without saying in a company paranoid enough to filter like that |
| 04:56.24 | Tramp | mortal1: And when they find out, you may get the sack. So think twice, if it's worth it. |
| 04:56.26 | wols_ | !tell vovo about drxx |
| 04:56.33 | Wyzard | vovo: If you open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a text editor, find the "Screen" section, and comment out all the SubSections that define video modes, xorg will automatically ask your monitor for its preferred resolution and use that |
| 04:56.35 | wols_ | vovo: but first you should know what res you have |
| 04:56.43 | mortal1 | Tramp: good point I guess |
| 04:56.56 | Tramp | wols_: Right. I just wanted to make it really clear 8) |
| 04:57.12 | spanther_ | wols_: do you know a way how to make xmms automatically reconnect after loosing internet connection for radio streams? |
| 04:57.20 | mortal1 | do you think they'd feel the same about a cleartext telnet connection to a home pc? |
| 04:57.27 | wols_ | spanther_: no |
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| 04:57.49 | Wyzard | vovo: Manually specifying resolutions isn't necessary anymore, at least on an LCD, but the xorg debconf questions haven't yet been updated to support the autodetection so you have to edit xorg.conf directly |
| 04:57.54 | wols_ | mortal1: considering you doing non work related stauff (hom PC) on company time: I'd say yes |
| 04:57.58 | Tramp | mortal1: When you have a security-officer, check with him. If you have good reasons, she may listen 8) |
| 04:58.09 | Tramp | s/When/If/ |
| 04:58.19 | ss3 | hola |
| 04:58.21 | ss3 | hi |
| 04:58.34 | vovo | Wyzard, wols_: Amount of memory (kB) to be used by the video card: ?? how much would be good? |
| 04:58.48 | wols_ | vovo: depends how much mem it actually has |
| 04:58.54 | Wyzard | vovo: Leave it blank; it's autodetected |
| 04:58.57 | vovo | wols_: 512 MB ram |
| 04:59.00 | vovo | ok |
| 04:59.06 | wols_ | vovo: video memory, not main memory |
| 04:59.17 | Wyzard | vovo: That's a legacy question from a long time ago when X couldn't figure these things out on its own |
| 04:59.19 | vovo | wols_: how can I find out? |
| 04:59.30 | wols_ | vovo: learn what hardware you actually have |
| 04:59.39 | dryrot | i want external usb drives to be magically mounted somewhere when i attach them, what do i do ? |
| 04:59.50 | wols_ | !automount |
| 04:59.50 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman> or <autofs>. |
| 05:00.06 | vovo | I am selecting, use kernel framebuffer device interface. |
| 05:00.22 | spanther_ | wols_: okay thank you anyway |
| 05:00.22 | Wyzard | vovo: and again, rather than using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", which wants to hard-code some video modes in xorg.conf, you can just take the video modes out of xorg.conf entirely, and xorg will figure out the right one |
| 05:00.23 | sf7 | wols_ i havent chosen any device. it's on the default: xmga Matrox...overlay in x11 window (using /...) |
| 05:01.04 | mortal1 | Well, given the amount of 'downtime' we have at work, I'll either A. install some compilers on my work machine B. Bring a laptop to work, or C. get some sort of remote connection to my home pc |
| 05:01.06 | wols_ | sf7: you have have a matrox card with matrox drivers? |
| 05:01.15 | mortal1 | or D. not work there |
| 05:01.35 | wols_ | you have to compile stuff on yourhome machine for work? |
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| 05:02.16 | mortal1 | wols_: No, I'm saying a condition I have while working there is that I be allowed to work on school projects when I have no assigned work |
| 05:02.26 | wols_ | ah |
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| 05:03.46 | sf7 | wols_ how to find out my video card / drivers? |
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| 05:05.10 | mortal1 | dang does anyone know what the option is to set the port telnetd runs on? |
| 05:05.55 | mortal1 | I'll work on this later, right now I need sleep |
| 05:05.56 | Zippy2 | is there any reason for luks to tell me a partition is not a luks partition, even if it is? |
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| 05:06.08 | Wyzard | Zippy2: data corruption? |
| 05:06.12 | Wyzard | Zippy2: or user error? |
| 05:06.12 | Zippy2 | nope |
| 05:06.16 | Zippy2 | nope |
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| 05:06.24 | Wyzard | then no |
| 05:06.39 | Zippy2 | does isluks work only if you luksopen'd it first? |
| 05:06.45 | Wyzard | no |
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| 05:07.00 | vovo | after doing dpkg-reconfigure, the fonts have become more awful. :-( |
| 05:07.22 | Tramp | Zippy2: you checked the return value, right? |
| 05:07.28 | sf7 | can anyone tell me how to find out my video card / drivers? |
| 05:07.48 | Wyzard | vovo: One of the steps in the reconfigure is picking resolutions to use |
| 05:07.51 | Wyzard | vovo: What did you pick? |
| 05:07.58 | vovo | wols_ : I did hit and trial and changed the resolution to 1024 x 768 and suddenly everything is fine. :-) |
| 05:08.01 | Tramp | Zippy2: ah, sorry. If it isn't it actully says so. |
| 05:08.03 | Zippy2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:08.42 | vovo | Wyzard: now it's fine. read above ^^^^ |
| 05:08.42 | Tramp | Zippy2: yeah, just realised that 8) |
| 05:08.42 | dalias | mortal_, don't use telnet... |
| 05:08.42 | Wyzard | vovo: so your LCD's native resolution is apparently 1024x768 |
| 05:08.42 | Zippy2 | this is great |
| 05:08.42 | vovo | Wyzard: why can't I display other resolutions properly? when I used to use Windows, it used to display all the resolutions properly. why so? |
| 05:08.42 | Zippy2 | 135.5gigs lost twice |
| 05:08.50 | Wyzard | vovo: no it didn't |
| 05:08.54 | Zippy2 | does luks not like being used 3 times on the same system? |
| 05:08.56 | Wyzard | vovo: An LCD only has one resolution |
| 05:09.06 | Zippy2 | forv/ swap and misc |
| 05:09.11 | Zippy2 | for / |
| 05:09.26 | Wyzard | vovo: 1024x768 is a fundamental, built-in, unchangeable property of your LCD -- that's how many pixels it physically has on the screen surface |
| 05:09.27 | vovo | Wyzard: ok. another question. I used preferences menu to select the resolution. can it be done from command line or xorg.conf, selecting the resolutioni? |
| 05:10.04 | vovo | Wyzard: oh, so when I give different resolutions, all the pixels do not align properly. like for some half of the pixel can be shown in the given resolution, thus appearing faded out? |
| 05:10.13 | Wyzard | vovo: exactly |
| 05:10.35 | Wyzard | vovo: Anything other than the LCD's native resolution causes the LCD to scale the image, which causes ugly artifacts like you saw |
| 05:10.49 | Wyzard | vovo: This is something that's done by the monitor itself, and has nothing to do with what OS you're using |
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| 05:10.58 | vovo | I have two more questions regarding etch to lenny upgrade. |
| 05:10.59 | zo | preferably you'll want to pick something that scales well to the native resolution, should you decide to change to a different one! |
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| 05:11.10 | vovo | just after logging in I get this error now: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet". |
| 05:11.21 | vovo | this started only after I completing dist-upgrade and rebooting. |
| 05:11.25 | simonrvn | kill the panel, it'll come back |
| 05:11.37 | vovo | simonrvn: that's for me? |
| 05:11.46 | simonrvn | killall gnome-panel |
| 05:11.59 | Wyzard | vovo: That's harmless if it's a transient occurrence... don't worry about it unless it's a recurring problem |
| 05:12.07 | Zippy2 | is there anyway to specify a luks passphrase noninteractively? |
| 05:12.07 | vovo | The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet". |
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| 05:12.11 | sf7 | lspci lists pci stuff, but won't detail my graphics card. is there an equiv command to lspci that'll do it? |
| 05:12.17 | vovo | Wyzard: it is recurrent. happens everytime after I log in. |
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| 05:12.25 | vovo | simonrvn: I did killall, panels came back with that error once again. |
| 05:12.41 | vovo | with that error it also asks me, "Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration?" |
| 05:12.44 | vovo | should I delete? |
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| 05:13.05 | simonrvn | say no, do it again. if it happens again, then you have a problem |
| 05:13.20 | Wyzard | vovo: If you want, sure... all it'll do is remove the mixer applet from your panel |
| 05:13.28 | Wyzard | vovo: You can right-click on the panel and add it again |
| 05:13.46 | vovo | how can I add the volume icon in the panel again. This time I don't see the volume icon in the list |
| 05:13.56 | simonrvn | once did it 3 times, and it stopped doing it, sometimes happens still with other ones, but i suspect it's the way the things "register" with the panel itself |
| 05:14.05 | Wyzard | vovo: Maybe it's in a package that you don't have installed |
| 05:14.24 | simonrvn | the mixer comes with capplets* |
| 05:14.29 | vovo | Wyzard: but it was there earlier. why did it vanish on dist-upgrade? |
| 05:14.33 | vovo | simonrvn: ok |
| 05:15.13 | Wyzard | vovo: I don't know; I'm speculating |
| 05:15.46 | vovo | capplets-data is shown as i A in aptitude interface |
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| 05:15.51 | vovo | I can't find any other capplets* |
| 05:17.15 | Wyzard | /usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2 is in the gnome-applets package |
| 05:17.21 | Wyzard | not capplets |
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| 05:17.31 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:17.58 | vovo | gnome-applets shows as c U in aptitude |
| 05:18.02 | vovo | what does c stand for? |
| 05:18.12 | simonrvn | configs remain |
| 05:18.12 | Wyzard | config files only, IIRC |
| 05:18.20 | Wyzard | meaning that it was removed but not purged |
| 05:18.48 | vovo | so I am installing gnome-applets |
| 05:18.59 | Wyzard | gnome-applets is depended upon by gnome-core though |
| 05:19.08 | Wyzard | Do you not have gnome-core installed? |
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| 05:19.40 | vovo | gnome-core is 'p U' |
| 05:19.53 | Wyzard | so you have an incomplete installation of GNOME |
| 05:20.20 | Wyzard | You should install at least gnome-core, or possibly gnome-desktop-environment (another metapackage which depends on gnome-core plus a bunch of other things that you probably expect to have) |
| 05:20.22 | vovo | Wyzard: what would the most parent package that I can install to install all others. actually, while dist-upgrade, lots of time the network went down. |
| 05:20.38 | vovo | Wyzard: ok! I did not understand one thing. |
| 05:20.52 | Arafangion | vovo: Interesting way of putting it. :) |
| 05:20.59 | Wyzard | vovo: The "most parent" is the "gnome" package, which depends on gnome-desktop-environment plus some applications |
| 05:21.26 | vovo | Wyzard: when my network was failing and lots of packages could not download, I was told in this channel just running, aptitude dist-upgrade again and it would try again. |
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| 05:21.28 | zythmer | simonrvn: When will that be merged? 23 or 24? I forget. |
| 05:21.50 | vovo | Wyzard: but once most of lenny components were installed, doing aptitude dist-upgrade was saying 0 installed, 0 upgraded, 0 removed everytime. |
| 05:21.55 | Wyzard | vovo: Running dist-upgrade again is the right way to continue the download |
| 05:21.58 | vovo | it was not installing any the stuff those were missed. |
| 05:22.03 | simonrvn | zythmer: 23.x |
| 05:22.04 | Wyzard | vovo: but you just don't have gnome-core installed |
| 05:22.08 | vovo | ok |
| 05:22.09 | Wyzard | vovo: so it doesn't participate in any upgrade |
| 05:23.04 | vovo | ok, I am trying to fix this. now my 3rd and last question regarding etch -> lenny upgrade. |
| 05:23.04 | simonrvn | zythmer: deb http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main |
| 05:23.05 | simonrvn | zythmer: emacs-snapshot |
| 05:23.27 | Wyzard | vovo: Anyway, the most parent package is "gnome" as I mentioned, but you don't necessarily want all of the set of apps which that brings in |
| 05:23.35 | vovo | Wyzard: ok |
| 05:23.51 | Wyzard | vovo: so my recommendation would be to look at the dependencies and install either gnome or gnome-desktop-environment |
| 05:27.16 | vovo | after I did dist-upgrade to lenny, the monospace font in gnome-terminal changed. here is the pic:- http://picpaste.com/pics/fonts.1194931496.png (the one on the left is a terminal from etch, the one on the right is a terminal I opened after lenny was installed) |
| 05:27.26 | vovo | if you notice, the lower case characters have become a little longer. |
| 05:27.36 | mogra | night, debs |
| 05:27.40 | sf7 | how do i make my movies default-play with mplayer not totem? |
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| 05:28.06 | vovo | the characters in lenny look a little more healthy. however, I like the old font. can I do anything now? |
| 05:28.54 | vovo | pic is here:- http://picpaste.com/pics/fonts.1194931496.png |
| 05:29.01 | Zippy2 | ok time to reencrypt my hard drive a third time |
| 05:29.20 | Zippy2 | which has more linux support with lenny? loopaes or cryptsetup? |
| 05:29.31 | Zippy2 | and which is better overall? |
| 05:29.43 | Zippy2 | im asking for opinions |
| 05:30.21 | zo | it is my firm opinion that since loopaes also starts with an l, it will be better! |
| 05:30.34 | Wyzard | vovo: Open System -> Preferences -> Font |
| 05:30.48 | Wyzard | vovo: Turn on subpixel smoothing |
| 05:30.59 | zo | :-P |
| 05:31.05 | vovo | Wyzard: it worked. thanks. |
| 05:31.12 | zo | I couldn't resist. |
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| 05:32.19 | Wyzard | vovo: Subpixel smoothing (also known as ClearType) helps a bit with clarity on LCDs, but that option also has the side effect of turning on full hinting, which makes a big difference in the crispness of text |
| 05:32.26 | Wyzard | vovo: especially in the font used by the terminal |
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| 05:32.38 | Zippy2 | zo: three words |
| 05:32.39 | vovo | yes. |
| 05:32.43 | Zippy2 | zo: flying spaghetti monster |
| 05:33.17 | zo | Huzzah |
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| 05:39.28 | vnn | hi, where should I look for bind connections logs in debian? |
| 05:40.14 | Zippy2 | if i want to make an encrypted partition do i have to cp /dev/urandom or whatever? can i just luksformat and cp /dev/zero to the encrypted partition? |
| 05:40.31 | Zippy2 | that would be multithreaded... |
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| 05:41.20 | Wyzard | Zippy2: Zeroing the encrypted device would be better IMO |
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| 05:41.34 | Tramp | Zippy2: urandom will take forever. For any level of healthy paranoia /dev/zero is sufficient |
| 05:42.38 | vnn | since when is paranoia any healthy? |
| 05:42.38 | Wyzard | Zippy2: If the attacker can tell the difference between ciphertext and random bits, he can tell which portions of the device contain "real" data and which have never been written to |
| 05:42.38 | Tramp | vnn: it's not? |
| 05:42.38 | vnn | its stressful |
| 05:42.39 | Wyzard | Zippy2: though distinguishing between ciphertext and random bits is supposed to be very difficult if the cipher is any good |
| 05:42.56 | Tramp | so is work |
| 05:43.00 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: aes-cbc-essiv 256 bit |
| 05:43.04 | Zippy2 | is that good enough? :} |
| 05:43.14 | Wyzard | Zippy2: no idea; I'm not a cryptographer |
| 05:43.19 | dondelelcaro | the other half is that if there's much structure to the ciphertext, it's not compressed. |
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| 05:43.30 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: it's the us government standard |
| 05:43.51 | Wyzard | Zippy2: but if you zero the LUKS device (that is, the block device created by luksOpen) then the entire underlying device will be output from the cipher, not random bits from urandom |
| 05:43.58 | vnn | DoJ or DoS? |
| 05:44.02 | vnn | or DoD |
| 05:44.05 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: but that's still as good isnt it? |
| 05:44.12 | Wyzard | Zippy2: so being able to distinguish ciphertext from urandom won't help the attacker |
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| 05:45.25 | Wyzard | Zippy2: Practically speaking, though, either should be sufficient |
| 05:45.54 | Wyzard | Zippy2: If this were a real high-security system you'd be asking highly-paid security consultants rather than people on IRC |
| 05:46.03 | Zippy2 | 20.1MBps average on c2d |
| 05:46.12 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: its my laptop |
| 05:46.20 | Wyzard | Zippy2: exactly |
| 05:46.30 | Wyzard | Zippy2: In principle, zeroing the LUKS device should be better, but either way is fine |
| 05:46.35 | Zippy2 | took dozens of hours to get crypto work with lenny |
| 05:46.46 | Zippy2 | deb-installer is borked |
| 05:46.50 | Wyzard | Zippy2: crypto is supported by the etch installer... |
| 05:46.53 | Zippy2 | getting better slowly thogh |
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| 05:47.00 | Zippy2 | etch too |
| 05:47.03 | vnn | I did setup bind for my domains and the server itself (caching) but why ain't it working for the local network in caching? do I need to give access? |
| 05:47.04 | Zippy2 | i tried etch first |
| 05:47.31 | Wyzard | Zippy2: and what didn't work about it? |
| 05:47.35 | Zippy2 | vnn: probably |
| 05:47.45 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: installer crashed when creating 3 luks partitions |
| 05:47.49 | Zippy2 | and 3 loop-aes partitions |
| 05:47.57 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 05:47.59 | Zippy2 | and a bunch of other configurations. ive literally done it 30+ times |
| 05:48.05 | Zippy2 | with ubuntu 7.10 too |
| 05:48.06 | Wyzard | Zippy2: Why do you need three LUKS partitions anyway? |
| 05:48.12 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: i tried loop-aes, too |
| 05:48.13 | vnn | Zippy2: do you know where and what kind of config? |
| 05:48.25 | Zippy2 | vnn: /etc/named.conf add hint zone . |
| 05:48.39 | Zippy2 | and listen on local network and dont firewall it |
| 05:48.52 | Wyzard | Zippy2: Create one LUKS partition with LVM in it for your filesystems |
| 05:49.04 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: i did that too, didnt work |
| 05:49.07 | Wyzard | Zippy2: Create another partition for random-encrypted swap |
| 05:49.13 | Zippy2 | i have random swap |
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| 05:49.16 | Wyzard | Zippy2: I *know* that works, because that's the setup I'm using |
| 05:49.18 | Zippy2 | i tried random root. didnt work |
| 05:49.32 | Zippy2 | i have fingerprint on boot. i dont need passphrase on boot |
| 05:49.39 | Wyzard | Zippy2: a random-encrypted root filesystem is nonsensical |
| 05:49.53 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: why? i just need it encrypted, i dont need it protected by a passphrase |
| 05:50.12 | Zippy2 | im already swiping a finger and logging in |
| 05:50.19 | TJNII | Which command does one use to display packages installed on the system? |
| 05:50.23 | Wyzard | Zippy2: random means the key is taken from /dev/random at boot time, and kept only in RAM |
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| 05:50.28 | Wyzard | Zippy2: not at install time, at boot time |
| 05:50.46 | Wyzard | Zippy2: and when the system's shut down, the random key is forgotten from RAM so the contents of the partition are unrecoverable |
| 05:50.54 | Zippy2 | damn |
| 05:50.58 | Zippy2 | true |
| 05:51.01 | Zippy2 | never thought about it :) |
| 05:51.09 | Wyzard | Zippy2: That's useful for swap, but to do it for your root filesystem means you lose all your data the first time you reboot |
| 05:51.23 | Zippy2 | it wouldnt let me do it to / |
| 05:51.26 | Zippy2 | <3 debian |
| 05:51.30 | Wyzard | for good reason |
| 05:51.35 | Zippy2 | actually it did. but it warned me |
| 05:51.38 | Zippy2 | afaim |
| 05:51.42 | Zippy2 | afairemember |
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| 05:52.13 | Tramp | TJNII: try /msg dpkg installed |
| 05:52.15 | Wyzard | How is your fingerprint reader integrated with your encryption setup, btw? |
| 05:52.19 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: its not |
| 05:52.27 | Zippy2 | it would be nice to be tho |
| 05:52.28 | Wyzard | oh, so it's just a BIOS thing? |
| 05:52.32 | Zippy2 | but tpm in linux is a waste of time |
| 05:52.48 | Wyzard | then someone could take out your hard drive and have unrestricted access to your data |
| 05:52.53 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: boot and hd protection. |
| 05:52.57 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: they cant because its encrypted |
| 05:53.01 | Zippy2 | the whole thing except /boot |
| 05:53.10 | Wyzard | yes, storing the key in TPM would be useful to avoid having to type a passphrase |
| 05:53.16 | Wyzard | Zippy2: It's encrypted by what? |
| 05:53.17 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: but how? |
| 05:53.31 | Wyzard | LUKS? Or something in your BIOS? |
| 05:53.32 | Zippy2 | luks / luks swap and luks /private (if it works) |
| 05:53.41 | Wyzard | ok |
| 05:53.42 | vnn | Zippy2: if the dns server is in dmz, do we consider the LAN is firewalled from it? |
| 05:53.46 | Wyzard | but you have to type a passphrase for that |
| 05:53.53 | Zippy2 | vnn: i would believe so |
| 05:53.59 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: for / and /private |
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| 05:54.02 | Wyzard | I thought you said you didn't use a passphrase because you have the fingerprint already |
| 05:54.10 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: i said thats what i would like |
| 05:54.17 | Wyzard | OK, I see |
| 05:54.30 | Zippy2 | <Zippy2> i have fingerprint on boot. i dont need passphrase on boot |
| 05:54.42 | Wyzard | Well, storing the key in TPM would avoid the need to type a passphrase at boot time |
| 05:54.51 | Wyzard | yeah, I misinterpreted that statement |
| 05:54.51 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: i dont think tpm is there yet for linux |
| 05:55.02 | Zippy2 | ive looked into it for a little. its craaaaaaaaaazy |
| 05:55.03 | Wyzard | Zippy2: but you have to type two separate passphrases for your two encrypted filesystems, right? |
| 05:55.15 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: right. i dont want my /private to be available on every boot |
| 05:55.22 | Wyzard | Zippy2: oh, ok |
| 05:55.23 | Zippy2 | only when i need it |
| 05:55.36 | Zippy2 | (which apparently is usually) |
| 05:55.37 | Wyzard | Zippy2: I was going to say, make a single LUKS volume and use it as a physical volume for LVM |
| 05:55.50 | Wyzard | That way you only need to type one passphrase, but you can have as many filesystems as you want within it |
| 05:55.54 | Zippy2 | i think lvm is unnecessary |
| 05:56.01 | Zippy2 | i did that in freebsd geli |
| 05:56.11 | Wyzard | It's not "necessary", but it's useful |
| 05:56.14 | Zippy2 | freebsd has keyboard problems. pain -- in -- the -- ass |
| 05:56.18 | Zippy2 | i wasted 100+ hours on that |
| 05:56.42 | vnn | argh..how do I forward dns to a whole LAN from the dmz with a linksys.. |
| 05:56.43 | Zippy2 | something about the usb keyboard and kbdmux builtin to the kernel and keystrokes not appearing on the screen |
| 05:57.00 | Zippy2 | vnn: it shouldnt be on the dmz |
| 05:57.23 | Zippy2 | unless you're securing your lan |
| 05:57.26 | Zippy2 | i believe |
| 05:57.30 | Zippy2 | im not an expert :) |
| 05:57.31 | vnn | it has external services |
| 05:58.01 | Zippy2 | does the nameserver has a public ip or just a lan ip? |
| 05:58.02 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 05:58.16 | Zippy2 | have |
| 05:58.29 | vnn | you mean the box? |
| 05:58.31 | vnn | it has both |
| 05:58.44 | Zippy2 | hm. |
| 05:58.57 | Zippy2 | do you understand what dmz is? |
| 05:59.41 | vnn | yeah, semi-secure zone for things that need contact with both internet and LAN |
| 06:00.03 | Zippy2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demilitarized_zone_%28computing%29 |
| 06:00.55 | Wyzard | That's what it really means, but on a consumer NAT router it just means "forward all ports to this internal IP" |
| 06:00.55 | Wyzard | afaik |
| 06:00.55 | Zippy2 | its not supposed to be on the lan |
| 06:00.59 | Zippy2 | its supposed to be its own network afaik |
| 06:01.06 | Wyzard | It is |
| 06:01.23 | Wyzard | But a consumer NAT router doesn't have a third interface for a real DMZ |
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| 06:01.54 | Wyzard | so it just forwards all ports to a certain machine on the LAN |
| 06:02.09 | Zippy2 | why would you do that? |
| 06:02.15 | Tramp | Hmm, but then it wouldn't have a public IP |
| 06:02.15 | Zippy2 | it just needs 2 ports |
| 06:02.18 | vnn | k |
| 06:02.23 | vnn | well it has more than an ns |
| 06:02.33 | Wyzard | Zippy2: I've never seen much use for the "feature" |
| 06:02.47 | vnn | ns, web server, mail server, imap, .. |
| 06:02.56 | Zippy2 | vnn: chroot it in the lan and do port forwarding |
| 06:02.59 | Wyzard | Zippy2: but apparently it's used by people who don't know anything about port forwarding |
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| 06:03.02 | mark__ | If you realle want to create a DMZ, then build your own router with Debian and Shorewall |
| 06:03.05 | Zippy2 | chroot it on the debian box and do port forwarding to that internal ip |
| 06:03.10 | mark__ | Shorewall has loads of docs about it |
| 06:03.20 | vnn | Zippy2: I only have like what..10 port forwarding slots on the router.. |
| 06:03.24 | Kevin` | dmz != port forwarding |
| 06:03.33 | Zippy2 | vnn: sucks for you. use linux to route |
| 06:03.38 | vnn | heh |
| 06:03.40 | Wyzard | eww, what kind of router is that? |
| 06:03.44 | Kevin` | dmz is a seperate network on anything that isn't a consumer router |
| 06:03.46 | vnn | if I could I'd do it |
| 06:03.51 | vnn | Linksys BEFSR41v3 |
| 06:03.51 | vnn | heh |
| 06:03.53 | Zippy2 | vnn: home use? |
| 06:04.07 | vnn | smb use |
| 06:04.17 | Zippy2 | home? commercial? |
| 06:04.19 | Wyzard | If you can run OpenWRT on it, you could make a real DMZ |
| 06:04.21 | vnn | small business |
| 06:04.39 | Zippy2 | vnn: you could pay for a router like astaro |
| 06:04.46 | Zippy2 | or use free m0n0wall or shorewall or whatever |
| 06:04.51 | Wyzard | It'd still have only one public IP available, but at least you could reconfigure the internal switch to make a third interface for the DMZ, rather than having it be a host on the LAN |
| 06:04.51 | Kevin` | isn't it odd that home's get nice linux routers, small business gets crap consumer routers, big business gets expensive routers that do about as much as a linux router |
| 06:04.53 | vnn | yep I tried to get them to spend a bit |
| 06:04.59 | vnn | they rly rly rly font want to.. |
| 06:05.20 | vnn | yea hehe |
| 06:05.25 | vnn | font=don't |
| 06:05.27 | Wyzard | Kevin`: The Actiontec routers that Verizon gives to their DSL and FiOS customers are actually Linux-based, and quite powerful |
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| 06:05.36 | Zippy2 | vnn: tell them national secrets are at stake |
| 06:06.20 | vnn | eh |
| 06:06.30 | Tramp | vnn: considering your problem: use rndc to make bind more verbose (I think the commands are "debug <level>" and "querylog"), then check the syslogs |
| 06:06.42 | Kevin` | Wyzard well, the "router" I got from my isp is vxworks based, and does insane things if it operates in anything more then a basic bridge |
| 06:06.48 | vnn | but uhm any way I could test if its rly the fw? |
| 06:06.50 | Zippy2 | vnn: 2 words. chrooting bind. |
| 06:06.56 | Zippy2 | google.com |
| 06:07.18 | Zippy2 | as far as your lan, just setup a "corporate" firewall |
| 06:07.29 | Kevin` | Wyzard I had to set up another linux system as a router with no support to get anything near a reasonable connection |
| 06:07.30 | Zippy2 | border firewall |
| 06:07.35 | Tramp | vnn: yes. tcpdump on the server and see, if queries come in (udp port 53) |
| 06:08.00 | Zippy2 | tcpdump -Aes0v port 53 ? |
| 06:08.04 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I prefer a real Linux box as a router anyway |
| 06:08.04 | vnn | well bind works for the internet |
| 06:08.22 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Currently I use a small-form-factor PC running four instances of Debian under Xen |
| 06:08.32 | mark__ | I'd still go for a Debian based firewall/router/nat gateway |
| 06:08.42 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: can you run winxp in xen? |
| 06:08.43 | mark__ | multiple nics in it, and your laughing |
| 06:08.46 | Arafangion | Anyone have the keyboard here? Is it good? http://www.daskeyboard.com/ |
| 06:08.55 | Wyzard | Zippy2: only on newer processors with hardware virtualization support |
| 06:08.56 | Arafangion | Note that's different from the original daskeyboard. |
| 06:08.59 | Kevin` | Zippy2 with hardware virtualization support, yes |
| 06:08.59 | Zippy2 | got it |
| 06:09.07 | Zippy2 | Kevin`: got a lenny howto? |
| 06:09.09 | Kevin` | (which unfortunately I don't have :() |
| 06:09.15 | Wyzard | Zippy2: but it's not very polished -- the monitor/keyboard/mouse are a VNC server |
| 06:09.21 | Arafangion | Software virtualization is apparently faster, anyway. |
| 06:09.21 | Zippy2 | ick |
| 06:09.28 | Zippy2 | Arafangion: how? |
| 06:09.39 | Wyzard | Zippy2: VMware is the most polished solution for desktop virtualization |
| 06:09.41 | Arafangion | Zippy2: Not entirely sure, wierd, eh? |
| 06:09.45 | Kevin` | Arafangion suuure. faster using what? |
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| 06:10.14 | Arafangion | Kevin`: "Classic" xen. |
| 06:10.15 | Zippy2 | im using vmware server |
| 06:10.20 | Kevin` | Arafangion and was this tested beyond the speed of the video drivers? |
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| 06:10.38 | Arafangion | Kevin`: No, I read it on some xen thingy. |
| 06:10.48 | Kevin` | Arafangion hmm, I could see classic xen bieng faster, but you need a supported client os to use that |
| 06:10.57 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Yup. |
| 06:11.02 | mark__ | Innotek Virtualbox is also quite nice and very fast |
| 06:11.13 | Arafangion | What's wrong with vmware server? |
| 06:11.22 | Kevin` | mark__ not much in the way of server features from virtualbox, though |
| 06:11.24 | Wyzard | Arafangion: "Classic" Xen is paravirtualization, where the OS is specially modified to run under the virtualization system... of course that's going to be faster |
| 06:11.50 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Indeed. |
| 06:11.53 | mark__ | Kevin`: True, vserver or Xen is what 'd be using in that case... Sorru misunderstood |
| 06:12.05 | Zippy2 | tcpdump -Aevs0 port 53 |
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| 06:12.08 | Zippy2 | i meant |
| 06:12.18 | Kevin` | i'm using vmware now, works well enough, but it could be faster |
| 06:12.48 | NiLon | have you tried virtualbox? :) |
| 06:12.48 | Wyzard | Kevin`: VMware Server is a little sluggish with graphics because it's going through a socket |
| 06:12.52 | Zippy2 | Kevin`: i heard there are kernel patches for vmware called vmiin ubuntu |
| 06:12.53 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Workstation is a bit faster for that |
| 06:12.58 | vnn | ok seems its not getting ANY connection |
| 06:13.07 | Kevin` | Wyzard I don't use it for much graphics stuff |
| 06:13.15 | Arafangion | I doubt much stuff could be faster than vmware. |
| 06:13.31 | Kevin` | Zippy2 can you find the source for those? I don't use ubuntu :) |
| 06:13.40 | Wyzard | Zippy2: You might be thinking of VMX, which is related to VMware's "paravirtual kernel support" |
| 06:14.00 | Kevin` | Wyzard does that work with server or just esx |
| 06:14.20 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: im pretty sure i saw vmi |
| 06:14.21 | Wyzard | It's only supported by Workstation 6 afaik... it's a new feature |
| 06:14.35 | Wyzard | Maybe it was VMI; I'm not sure |
| 06:14.47 | Zippy2 | so vmware server the free version doesnt have hardware support/ |
| 06:14.49 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 06:15.28 | Zippy2 | only 50gigs more to encrypt |
| 06:15.29 | Wyzard | Recent Linux kernels can be compiled with a sort of optional paravirtualization, so that the kernel can boot on either "real" hardware or in a paravirtualized system |
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| 06:15.33 | Zippy2 | 50,000/20= |
| 06:15.46 | vnn | uhm is it possible it can only resolve the adresses my bind already has in cache but can't make any resolution requests? |
| 06:15.49 | Wyzard | (That's the "paravirt_ops" thing that was causing problems with the nVidia driver a few months ago) |
| 06:15.50 | Kevin` | why are you encrypting data |
| 06:16.04 | Zippy2 | vnn: yes. do zone "." |
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| 06:16.10 | Wyzard | VMI is the VMware paravirtualization feature, which hooks into Linux's paravirt_ops at boot time |
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| 06:16.14 | Zippy2 | Kevin`: paranoid |
| 06:16.31 | rokra | please can I delete every file in /var/cache/apt/archive? |
| 06:16.38 | Kevin` | Zippy2 IMO it's a good way to lose data, unless you h ave something to hide (in which case, go for it) |
| 06:16.42 | Zippy2 | rokra: use apt-get clean |
| 06:16.48 | Wyzard | Zippy2: VMware works without needing hardware virtualization support |
| 06:16.50 | rokra | Zippy2: ok thx |
| 06:17.03 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: but i have it and want to use it. |
| 06:17.14 | Wyzard | Zippy2: I think Workstation 6 *might* internally use the hardware feature if it's available, but I haven't seen it mentioned in the documentation |
| 06:17.23 | Zippy2 | so server doesnt? |
| 06:17.30 | Zippy2 | workstation isnt free :/ |
| 06:17.31 | Kevin` | I think vmware server will use it, but since I don't have it i'm not sure |
| 06:17.32 | Wyzard | no idea |
| 06:17.42 | Wyzard | I don't even know if Workstation does |
| 06:18.16 | Wyzard | I use Workstation 6 and I see messages like this in syslog when I boot a VM: |
| 06:18.21 | Wyzard | /dev/vmmon[3828]: HV check: anyNotCapable=0 anyUnlocked=0 anyEnabled=1 anyDisabled=0 |
| 06:18.37 | dotz | hi i found out somebody trying to brute log in via ssh ..i've got the Ip address, and added in hosts.deny but why isn't it blocking? |
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| 06:18.53 | Wyzard | "HV" might be short for "hardware virtualization", and "anyEnabled=1" could mean that it's noticed my processor supports it and has it enabled in the BIOS |
| 06:19.01 | Wyzard | but this is pure speculation on my part |
| 06:19.12 | Wyzard | Zippy2: See if you get lines like that in your logs from Server |
| 06:19.52 | Zippy2 | ok |
| 06:20.13 | Zippy2 | no HV |
| 06:20.26 | Wyzard | no messages like that? |
| 06:20.28 | Zippy2 | no -i anyenabled |
| 06:20.29 | Zippy2 | nope |
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| 06:20.34 | Wyzard | ok |
| 06:20.40 | Zippy2 | no HV |
| 06:20.50 | Wyzard | then *if* those messages represent use of hardware virtualization, apparently Server doesn't support it |
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| 06:22.00 | vnn | zone "." { |
| 06:22.01 | vnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.01 | vnn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.01 | vnn | }; |
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| 06:22.03 | Zippy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.05 | vnn | ops |
| 06:22.17 | Zippy2 | vnn: do you have root zones? |
| 06:22.25 | Zippy2 | 13 root servers |
| 06:23.09 | Zippy2 | not zones. cache or whatever |
| 06:23.09 | vnn | iios I already had that zone |
| 06:23.09 | vnn | it has type hint and goes to db.root |
| 06:23.09 | Zippy2 | so what happens when you dig someotherhost |
| 06:23.14 | Tramp | vnn: what did you do? You said you had no connections, didn't you? How will changing the config help? |
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| 06:23.46 | vnn | well there's "something" |
| 06:24.03 | Zippy2 | mozart requiem at 1:30am on a tuesday.sad. |
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| 06:24.26 | Tramp | vnn: put the output of tcpdump on a paster so we can understand what you mean. Including the tcpdump-command |
| 06:24.57 | dotz | hi i found out somebody trying to brute log in via ssh ..i've got the Ip address, and added in hosts.deny but why isn't it blocking? |
| 06:25.03 | vnn | C:\Documents and Settings\Jose>nslookup demonoid.com *** Can't find server name for address 192.168.1.25: Server failed |
| 06:25.12 | vnn | mm |
| 06:25.13 | vnn | ij |
| 06:25.15 | vnn | ok |
| 06:26.06 | Zippy2 | fail. |
| 06:26.23 | Tramp | dotz: how do you now it isn't blocking - which lines in auth.log do you mean that bother you? |
| 06:26.28 | Zippy2 | dotz: operator error |
| 06:26.45 | Zippy2 | apt-get install denyhosts |
| 06:27.27 | Zippy2 | denyhosts - an utility to help sys admins thwart ssh hackers |
| 06:27.33 | Zippy2 | might be able to help *cough* |
| 06:27.53 | Zippy2 | i work at an edu. it helps |
| 06:28.37 | Supaplex | iptables -m recent ftw :) |
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| 06:28.58 | vnn | ok, im trying to find out the correct parameter for port 53 |
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| 06:29.09 | Zippy2 | 62 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4245 2007-11-06 22:36 /etc/hosts.deny |
| 06:29.11 | Zippy2 | impressive |
| 06:29.21 | Tramp | vnn: tcpdump -ni eth0 udp port 53 |
| 06:29.32 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: i cant do that in an edu. the tenure professors would whine to the chairman |
| 06:29.39 | dotz | Tramp: auth.log still shows that ip address still trying to brute force attmpt to log in.. |
| 06:29.48 | Zippy2 | they still want telnet/ftp |
| 06:29.50 | dotz | do i need to restart any services for hosts.deny to take effect? |
| 06:29.59 | Zippy2 | no |
| 06:30.01 | wols_ | in what file does ffox the form passwords? |
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| 06:30.31 | Supaplex | wols_: and you didn't google this? |
| 06:30.40 | Tramp | dotz: do you know that entries in hosts_deny take effect /after/ the tcp connect. So you will have entries - but they look different than the entries from sshd about failed authentication |
| 06:31.16 | Tramp | dotz: That's why I was asking about the /exact/ entries that bother you. |
| 06:31.25 | dotz | Tramp: Nov 13 14:29:25 mother sshd[24843]: Failed password for root from 199.165.161.20 port 44098 ssh2 <-- keep happening in auth.log |
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| 06:31.38 | wols_ | Supaplex: I did. but it either talks about cleartext only (formhistory) or tells me about the options inside firefox |
| 06:31.43 | dotz | i'm tailing auth.log |
| 06:31.43 | Tramp | dotz: ok then. |
| 06:31.44 | wols_ | neither is any good for me |
| 06:31.54 | Kevin` | dotz that's common on an internet accessible server |
| 06:32.03 | dotz | Nov 13 14:29:24 mother sshd[24843]: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=ts.towfiq.com user=root |
| 06:32.04 | Zippy2 | wols_: either hes still connected or its not working |
| 06:32.18 | wols_ | Zippy2: hm? |
| 06:32.22 | Zippy2 | multiple guesses per session |
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| 06:32.38 | Zippy2 | couldve been connected since before denied |
| 06:32.42 | vnn | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/42239 |
| 06:33.15 | Supaplex | wols_: all I know is, it would be in .mozilla/firefox/<somedir>/... or so |
| 06:33.39 | Zippy2 | Supaplex: hacker |
| 06:33.41 | Tramp | dotz: I'm not sure if you have to restart sshd after changes in hosts.deny. |
| 06:33.49 | vnn | did a "ping microsoft.com" from a lan computer that has the dns as a primary ns |
| 06:33.51 | wols_ | Supaplex: I already know that. but which file |
| 06:34.08 | Wyzard | Tramp: Wouldn't that completely defeat the purpose of adding new entries to it dynamically? |
| 06:34.23 | Zippy2 | tru |
| 06:34.30 | Tramp | Wyzard: Absolutely. |
| 06:34.35 | dotz | Tramp: i'm not at the site now i'm logging in remotely..hm ok |
| 06:34.58 | Zippy2 | 30G left! |
| 06:35.01 | Tramp | dotz: The daemon can be restarted without breaking active connection |
| 06:35.21 | vnn | Tramp: so it passes, right? |
| 06:35.49 | dotz | Tramp: actually i'm looking at the processes via ps aux | grep ssh.. its connecting and disconnecting, all different PID |
| 06:35.57 | Tramp | vnn: yes. it is aking a forwarder, probably the one from the provider |
| 06:36.19 | vnn | so, should be all fine? |
| 06:36.21 | dotz | root 25208 0.0 0.2 4928 1872 ? Ss 14:35 0:00 sshd: [accepted], root 25208 1.3 0.2 6484 2244 ? Ss 14:35 0:00 sshd: root [priv], then repeats |
| 06:36.42 | wols_ | Supaplex: key3.db |
| 06:36.47 | Tramp | dotz: so my guess is, the syntax of your entry is incorrect |
| 06:37.00 | Zippy2 | pastebin hosts.dent |
| 06:37.08 | Zippy2 | deny |
| 06:37.09 | vnn | uhm seems it has no reply |
| 06:37.31 | dotz | Tramp: ALL: 199.165.161.20 (in hosts.deny) is that correct? |
| 06:38.07 | Zippy2 | yep |
| 06:38.14 | Zippy2 | as long as you dont allow everything |
| 06:38.42 | dotz | Zippy2: my hosts.allow is sshd sshd1 sshd2 : ALL : ALLOW could this be the problem |
| 06:38.52 | Zippy2 | lol |
| 06:38.59 | dotz | !paste |
| 06:38.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 06:39.20 | Zippy2 | isnt hosts.allow deprecated? |
| 06:39.25 | Tramp | dotz: actually: YES. read man hosts_access |
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| 06:40.02 | vnn | uhmmm is it me or bind replies an error? |
| 06:40.28 | Zippy2 | dig it, baby |
| 06:40.38 | Zippy2 | nslookup = deprecated |
| 06:40.56 | Supaplex | !pal nslookup |
| 06:41.09 | vnn | well I'm using ping |
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| 06:41.26 | Zippy2 | hm |
| 06:41.44 | Zippy2 | use nsl with debug |
| 06:41.45 | vnn | 01:39:24.141991 IP 192.168.1.25.53 > 192.168.1.125.1025: 21997- 0/13/13 (456) |
| 06:42.06 | Zippy2 | can you ping 125 |
| 06:42.10 | Zippy2 | from 25 |
| 06:42.26 | vnn | yup |
| 06:42.31 | vnn | and vice versa |
| 06:42.41 | Zippy2 | hm |
| 06:43.02 | Zippy2 | just take it off dmz |
| 06:43.13 | dotz | Tramp: i'm reading it..but please advise.. i know i've allowed sshd (mostly opened), and using hosts.deny to deny certain IPs |
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| 06:44.07 | Tramp | dotz: well, remove the explicit allow from hosts.allow. It is the entry which is first considered and wins |
| 06:44.34 | Tramp | dotz: It is the first bullet-point at the top of the manpage |
| 06:44.41 | Zippy2 | lol! |
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| 06:45.24 | vnn | maybe pasting my named.conf and named.conf.options can help? |
| 06:45.30 | Zippy2 | yep |
| 06:45.35 | Zippy2 | hes right. first bullet |
| 06:45.39 | Tramp | dotz: Access will be granted when (match in allow) ... otherwise access will be denied when ... (match in deny) otherwise access will be granted (i.e. no match anywhere) |
| 06:45.47 | Supaplex | vnn: w/o floods :) |
| 06:45.58 | vnn | yea, pastebin |
| 06:46.07 | Zippy2 | bin of paste |
| 06:46.15 | dotz | http://paste.debian.net/42240 |
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| 06:47.09 | dotz | k |
| 06:47.11 | michal_ | anyone have any idea why this would not echo true in bash? if [ `true` ]; then echo true; fi |
| 06:47.23 | vnn | my named.conf : http://paste.debian.net/42241 |
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| 06:47.38 | michal_ | never mind |
| 06:47.45 | michal_ | aparently i don't need [ ] |
| 06:48.06 | vnn | my named.conf.options : http://paste.debian.net/42242 |
| 06:49.07 | Nyle | HEY |
| 06:49.08 | Nyle | YO |
| 06:49.16 | Nyle | damn caps |
| 06:49.17 | Zippy2 | heyyo |
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| 06:49.33 | Nyle | i went to the bathroom |
| 06:49.39 | simonrvn | tmi |
| 06:49.39 | vnn | anything wrong with my named conf files? |
| 06:49.42 | Nyle | I went in there to do something, I just came back out and now I'm like |
| 06:49.45 | Tramp | dotz: ok now? |
| 06:49.46 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 06:49.46 | Nyle | wtf did I go into the restroom for |
| 06:49.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:50.03 | Zippy2 | real nerds dont use toilets |
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| 06:50.14 | Nyle | simonrvn: does it ever happen to you? you go into a room in your house, and you have no idea why you went in there |
| 06:50.37 | simonrvn | i have 1.5 room in here. not really. |
| 06:50.39 | dotz | Tramp: Yes!! i think i got it.. its so dangerous to allow all sshd in hosts.allow! |
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| 06:50.43 | dotz | learned something today :) |
| 06:50.45 | dotz | thx |
| 06:50.59 | dotz | Nov 13 14:49:29 mother sshd[25769]: refused connect from ::ffff:199.165.161.20 (::ffff:199.165.161.20) |
| 06:51.03 | Zippy2 | dotCOMmie: why dont use learn how to change the ssh port |
| 06:51.06 | Tramp | dotz: np. It just "disables" the .deny, as you found out 8) |
| 06:51.11 | Zippy2 | ues=you |
| 06:51.34 | simonrvn | Nyle: but yes, it happens sometimes |
| 06:51.41 | simonrvn | actually |
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| 06:51.45 | dotz | Tramp: i think the openssh-server installation added that in itself..hm |
| 06:51.52 | simonrvn | blah. you know what i mean :) |
| 06:52.10 | Nyle | heh |
| 06:52.22 | Nyle | my parents have 12 bedrooms in the house |
| 06:52.23 | Zippy2 | dotz: it didnt |
| 06:52.26 | Nyle | excluding the guest wing |
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| 06:52.31 | Zippy2 | its already added implicitly |
| 06:52.43 | vnn | so, about named.conf? |
| 06:52.46 | Nyle | simonrvn: as you can see, with my pottage I kinda used to get lost in my own house |
| 06:52.49 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:52.51 | simonrvn | i'm tired, cron.daily just started, and i wanna build the .debs for openldap 2.4.6, and i have to get up earl(ier) |
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| 06:53.01 | simonrvn | yeh, i'd get lost too |
| 06:53.04 | Nyle | simonrvn: you maintain anything? |
| 06:53.19 | simonrvn | only local "consumption" |
| 06:53.21 | sf7 | how can i make a movie open in mplayer rather than totem when i click it? |
| 06:53.23 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 06:53.46 | simonrvn | sometimes people fetch .debs i've built from me, but nothing spectacular |
| 06:54.20 | Tramp | vnn: hmm allow-recursion localhost is what you want? |
| 06:54.26 | simonrvn | ok, fuck it, i won't, i can't even think/type |
| 06:54.37 | Nyle | sf7: update-alternetives |
| 06:54.43 | Nyle | look in /etc/alternatives |
| 06:54.45 | vnn | Tramp: not sure what it is |
| 06:54.46 | Tramp | vnn: you only want to server the zones you defined for your LAN? |
| 06:55.02 | Nyle | OR, just specify if you have kde or gnome. you can basically right click the file and chose open with etc. etc. |
| 06:55.11 | vnn | the websites to everybody and the dns caching for my LAN only |
| 06:55.14 | Zippy2 | which is lighter?kde or gnome |
| 06:55.15 | dotz | anyway i installed denyhosts, it automatically added some IPs into my hosts.deny..where and how it get those ip from? auth.log? |
| 06:55.28 | Zippy2 | dotCOMmie: rtfm |
| 06:55.31 | Zippy2 | dotz |
| 06:55.34 | Zippy2 | and yes |
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| 06:55.35 | simonrvn | dotz: yes |
| 06:55.37 | Nyle | simonrvn: relax, go do it, if you wanna go do it, relax, go do it, if you wanna go do it |
| 06:55.48 | Nyle | that song was wicked, it was in the Zoolander movie |
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| 06:55.55 | Zippy2 | Nyle: did you see that music video? so hot |
| 06:55.55 | Nyle | I forget what its called and who its by |
| 06:56.01 | Tramp | vnn: I'm not a bind-expert, but if your LAN is using this DNS for all queries, the recursion must be allowed |
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| 06:56.07 | simonrvn | frankie goes to hollywood |
| 06:56.09 | Zippy2 | frankie goes to hollywood-relax |
| 06:56.10 | vnn | omg I love that quote Nyle |
| 06:56.12 | Nyle | word |
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| 06:56.27 | vnn | sentence |
| 06:56.28 | Nyle | wicked |
| 06:56.32 | Nyle | line |
| 06:56.32 | Zippy2 | Nyle: do you want me to ruin the music vid for you? |
| 06:56.36 | Nyle | no |
| 06:56.37 | simonrvn | fartfish |
| 06:56.45 | Zippy2 | damn |
| 06:56.48 | vnn | do it! |
| 06:56.50 | Zippy2 | i wish i had it |
| 06:56.51 | Nyle | simonrvn: i have a pipe, and i have papers. |
| 06:56.55 | Nyle | simonrvn: pick for me |
| 06:57.05 | Zippy2 | lets just say it involves leather and urination |
| 06:57.09 | simonrvn | !choose papers or pipe |
| 06:57.13 | simonrvn | meh |
| 06:57.18 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 06:57.29 | Nyle | I got 2 diff types of budds |
| 06:57.35 | Nyle | i think roll a fatty |
| 06:57.39 | Nyle | i'll |
| 06:57.42 | vnn | Zippy2: I wanna know more |
| 06:57.51 | simonrvn | bit of both |
| 06:57.52 | Zippy2 | vnn: laser beams. |
| 06:57.53 | vnn | Nyle: what kind? |
| 06:58.06 | Zippy2 | that is all. |
| 06:58.07 | Nyle | `purple cush, and shwag |
| 06:58.22 | Zippy2 | o benedictus! |
| 06:58.25 | vnn | Zippy2: I rly don't see... |
| 06:58.33 | Zippy2 | vnn: relax? |
| 06:58.36 | vnn | ok lets read on allow-recursion |
| 06:58.39 | Tramp | vnn: ok, I'm off. Check that recursion thing. |
| 06:58.39 | vnn | HAH |
| 06:58.40 | vnn | ok |
| 06:58.45 | vnn | thankies Tramp |
| 06:58.50 | Tramp | vnn: np |
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| 06:59.04 | Zippy2 | word. |
| 06:59.08 | wols_ | Nyle: frankie goes to hollywood |
| 06:59.11 | simonrvn | foo. |
| 06:59.21 | simonrvn | wols_: we covered it, thanks |
| 06:59.23 | Zippy2 | best quit msg ever |
| 06:59.27 | wols_ | doh |
| 06:59.31 | Zippy2 | wols_: welcome to 10 minutes ago |
| 06:59.31 | Nyle | simonrvn: by the way, have you prayed for me yet? |
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| 06:59.44 | vnn | Nyle: in which religion? |
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| 07:00.17 | Nyle | simonrvn: dunno if you got my message, but you have permission |
| 07:00.34 | Nyle | oh, ok sorry |
| 07:00.36 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.43 | Zippy2 | ok lets see how fast cp /dev/zero is |
| 07:01.11 | simonrvn | 0 km/h ;p |
| 07:01.24 | simonrvn | it wrapped around ;p |
| 07:01.31 | dto | how difficult would it be for me to find out if the following statement is true? "debian has contributors in every nation on earth". ? |
| 07:01.32 | Nyle | hey |
| 07:01.44 | Nyle | btw, simonrvn I learned something else few months ago |
| 07:01.44 | dto | if not, i wonder which countries are left out? |
| 07:01.48 | simonrvn | dto: db.debian.org |
| 07:01.55 | Nyle | I didn't wanna tell you yet cuz i was still checking it out and feeling it out |
| 07:02.04 | simonrvn | dto: they don't |
| 07:02.19 | Nyle | simonrvn: I learned guitar. From Bruce Lee. |
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| 07:02.25 | Nyle | go figure |
| 07:02.27 | simonrvn | nice |
| 07:02.28 | sf7 | gee im not understanding update-alternatives very well from the manpage :/ |
| 07:02.52 | Nyle | simonrvn: applying his philosophy and technique and dedication to martial arts to the guitar |
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| 07:03.02 | dto | simonrvn: i don't just mean debian developers. i mean the set of people who wrote all the software and documentation in all the packages |
| 07:03.04 | Nyle | in theory and in practice. I've gotten faster, more precise, with so much more control |
| 07:03.13 | simonrvn | nice :) |
| 07:03.24 | Nyle | bruce lee was a genius |
| 07:03.26 | dto | simonrvn: i.e. the known free software universe |
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| 07:03.39 | Nyle | dto: can't you see we're busy |
| 07:03.45 | simonrvn | Nyle: yes he was. just passing along what he knew |
| 07:04.28 | dto | Nyle: :P |
| 07:04.38 | Nyle | dto: j/k pal |
| 07:04.41 | Nyle | carry on |
| 07:04.42 | dto | i know :-) |
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| 07:05.07 | dto | i've decided to use it on my whole LAN (4 machines). |
| 07:05.16 | Zippy2 | i switched when slackware started distributing on p2p |
| 07:05.22 | vnn | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS it works |
| 07:05.24 | vnn | woohooo |
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| 07:05.27 | Nyle | spring semester in 2001 in college, some guy i knew said try debian |
| 07:05.30 | wols_ | dto: birma, vatican city, andorry and probably at least half of africa |
| 07:05.38 | wols_ | *andorra |
| 07:05.39 | Nyle | I did and well, here we are, after 6 years |
| 07:05.40 | dto | Nyle: you're lucky |
| 07:05.53 | dto | so, free software has no one in vatican city eh? |
| 07:05.57 | dto | interesting to know. |
| 07:05.59 | Zippy2 | i think mine was when slackware 7 came out. what year was that |
| 07:06.05 | sf7 | can anyone help me? i want to make movies launch in mplayer not totem |
| 07:06.11 | simonrvn | Nyle: http://tv.powwows.com/view_video.php?viewkey=a3230abfadd476e8b04c |
| 07:06.15 | wols_ | dto: debian contributor. define that then please |
| 07:06.16 | Nyle | sweet |
| 07:06.21 | sf7 | i dont understand how to use /etc/alternatives |
| 07:06.46 | Nyle | oh man |
| 07:06.52 | Nyle | simonrvn: dude god bless you man |
| 07:06.53 | Nyle | fuck |
| 07:06.53 | wols_ | sf7: /etc/alternatives/ is just a bunch of symlinks |
| 07:06.56 | vnn | wols_: oriental timor? tchad? ... |
| 07:06.58 | Nyle | i'm gonna toke up to this |
| 07:07.00 | Nyle | badass |
| 07:07.13 | sf7 | yeah i got that far |
| 07:07.30 | wols_ | vnn: papua new guinea. probably all of the micronesias and polynesias |
| 07:07.46 | wols_ | sf7: so is anything there right now pointing to totem? |
| 07:07.53 | Nyle | simonrvn: awe, there is a cute lil id |
| 07:07.56 | Nyle | many kids |
| 07:08.21 | dto | wols_: the people who are in that db.debian.org |
| 07:08.28 | vnn | naw, I know debian contributors from tahiti |
| 07:08.34 | Nyle | hey |
| 07:08.36 | Nyle | pakistan here! |
| 07:08.39 | Nyle | word |
| 07:08.45 | dto | wols_: it said they were debian developers, which I think is someone who's gone through the proper channels and sponsorship and such? |
| 07:08.46 | vnn | Nyle: how's benazir? |
| 07:08.59 | Nyle | no one cares about that slut |
| 07:09.00 | dto | Nyle: what is the situation in pakistan? |
| 07:09.02 | wols_ | dto: yes |
| 07:09.07 | Nyle | dto: consult google |
| 07:09.11 | dto | oh, sorry |
| 07:09.14 | vnn | hah |
| 07:09.18 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:09.24 | sf7 | wols_: sf7@73-37:/etc/alternatives$ ls -la|grep totem |
| 07:09.24 | sf7 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2007-09-29 22:13 gnome-video-thumbnailer -> /usr/bin/totem-video-thumbnailer |
| 07:09.24 | vnn | you in karachi or islamabad? |
| 07:09.29 | Nyle | I am in nyc |
| 07:09.32 | wols_ | dto: contributors aren't necessarily DDs |
| 07:09.37 | vnn | uhmf ok |
| 07:09.38 | Nyle | but I'm pakistani, and so are my debian friends in lahore |
| 07:09.39 | dto | wols_: oh. ok |
| 07:09.45 | Nyle | but im originally from lahore |
| 07:09.48 | vnn | k |
| 07:09.52 | dto | wols_: i'm still learning the debian world, so bear with me. |
| 07:09.52 | wols_ | sf7: link it to mplayer binary then? |
| 07:09.55 | dto | wols_: anyway, |
| 07:09.56 | vnn | I understand why you don't care |
| 07:10.13 | Zippy2 | Nyle: where |
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| 07:10.31 | Sisco | where can I download debian? |
| 07:10.35 | vnn | I'm from tehran |
| 07:10.37 | dto | Sisco: debian.org |
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| 07:10.41 | wols_ | Nyle: it's not always clear if Bush/Cheney is the better overlord than Musharraff :) |
| 07:10.41 | vnn | which isn't relatively so far eh |
| 07:10.42 | Zippy2 | i just met a guy from pak today |
| 07:10.43 | simonrvn | Nyle: tiny tots |
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| 07:11.14 | wols_ | simonrvn: cdimage.debian.org |
| 07:11.25 | Nyle | !di |
| 07:11.25 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:11.27 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 07:11.27 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:11.29 | Nyle | oops |
| 07:11.35 | Nyle | sorry, mistake |
| 07:11.45 | Nyle | now i know !di works too |
| 07:11.48 | simonrvn | wols_: yes dear |
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| 07:11.51 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 07:12.11 | Nyle | sf7: what do you use? kde or gnome? totem? I guess gnome |
| 07:12.14 | wols_ | simonrvn: bush isn't your overlord. your overlords's overlord is bush (just like mine) |
| 07:12.20 | Nyle | sf7: you only need to fix your file ascociations in gnome |
| 07:12.25 | wols_ | only in my case it's an overlordess (sp?) |
| 07:12.32 | wols_ | !tell dto about rules |
| 07:12.38 | simonrvn | wols_: fix your tab completion ;p |
| 07:12.41 | Zippy2 | primier bush |
| 07:12.44 | Nyle | sf7: ask #gnome, or in nautilus file manager, right click the file and see if you can open it with mmplayer and just make it so that it always does |
| 07:12.49 | Nyle | sf7: it should have otpions |
| 07:12.50 | wols_ | broken beyond repair :P |
| 07:12.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:13.10 | Zippy2 | Nyle: where in nyc are you |
| 07:13.13 | simonrvn | optchuns |
| 07:13.19 | Zippy2 | Nyle: are you a student |
| 07:13.28 | simonrvn | why the 20 questions? |
| 07:13.29 | Nyle | queens |
| 07:13.46 | Nyle | yes |
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| 07:13.58 | Zippy2 | simonrvn: uptown? |
| 07:13.59 | Zippy2 | oops. nyle |
| 07:14.08 | moc1obem1de | is debian a valued skill in employment or is RHEL moreso |
| 07:14.26 | simonrvn | linux-based os is |
| 07:14.30 | wols_ | moc1obem1de: RHEL. but it all depends on the place you apply and what they use |
| 07:14.31 | vnn | indeed |
| 07:14.32 | Zippy2 | moc1obem1de: rhel |
| 07:14.36 | Nyle | oh my god this joint is a mini blunt |
| 07:14.39 | wols_ | simonrvn: RH has shiny certs |
| 07:14.40 | Nyle | goddamn its huge |
| 07:14.41 | vnn | sure that RHEL is more frequent |
| 07:14.53 | simonrvn | rh can kiss my brown ass |
| 07:14.54 | vnn | Nyle: what kind? |
| 07:15.00 | Sisco | whats the best debian version for using debian as a router? |
| 07:15.01 | vnn | just got some NL and m39 |
| 07:15.03 | Zippy2 | Nyle: blnts wont getyou out of the question |
| 07:15.08 | vnn | Sisco: etch! |
| 07:15.08 | Wyzard | Sisco: stable |
| 07:15.08 | wols_ | Sisco: stable |
| 07:15.12 | Nyle | simonrvn: hmm, didnt know you were brown |
| 07:15.15 | Nyle | simonrvn: so am I |
| 07:15.19 | Nyle | wicked |
| 07:15.23 | Nyle | :D |
| 07:15.24 | Wyzard | Sisco: latest version, whatever that may be (currently etch) |
| 07:16.02 | simonrvn | Nyle: varies by season |
| 07:16.02 | Nyle | I'm always brown |
| 07:16.02 | simonrvn | winter i get paler, summer i get darker |
| 07:16.02 | Nyle | vnn: two kinds |
| 07:16.02 | Zippy2 | simonrvn: brownies and whities are so similar!! |
| 07:16.03 | simonrvn | the eyes and hair don't change colour ;p |
| 07:16.03 | Sisco | debian is 12GB's? |
| 07:16.05 | vnn | Nyle: ggot any names? |
| 07:16.17 | Wyzard | Sisco: only if you download the full CD or DVD set |
| 07:16.18 | Nyle | purple cush |
| 07:16.24 | vnn | simonrvn: exactly like me, under quebec's sun! :D |
| 07:16.28 | Nyle | midgrade shwag |
| 07:16.33 | Wyzard | Sisco: You only need that if you want have all the packages on-hand for installation without needing a network connection |
| 07:16.42 | moc1obem1de | wols_: i'm going to install centos to emulate RHEL and i'd like to know what technologies I should focus on mastering |
| 07:16.44 | Sisco | i only want to use it as a router |
| 07:16.45 | Nyle | !netinst |
| 07:16.45 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. |
| 07:16.58 | vnn | k |
| 07:17.02 | Zippy2 | moc1obem1de: makes no difference. you need a job. |
| 07:17.08 | Sisco | whats the smallist version of debian? |
| 07:17.08 | vnn | HAH |
| 07:17.13 | sf7 | dang, i hit a bug, now my desktop icons have vanished |
| 07:17.16 | Sisco | netinst just downloads the 12GB's during install right? |
| 07:17.22 | vnn | Sisco: net install |
| 07:17.25 | wols_ | moc1obem1de: asking questions in the right IRC channel is THE most important one. so far you totally fail this one |
| 07:17.25 | Wyzard | Sisco: The 12GB is the full set of all *available* packages |
| 07:17.25 | vnn | no |
| 07:17.31 | Wyzard | Sisco: You wouldnt' actually install all of them |
| 07:17.33 | Nyle | Sisco: NO! |
| 07:17.44 | vnn | downloading the 12gb of debian is like downloading the Internet for your library |
| 07:17.51 | Sisco | LOLO |
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| 07:17.54 | Zippy2 | i love students who come into college and say tell me eveyrthing about linux |
| 07:17.57 | Sisco | so just netinst would be good? |
| 07:17.58 | Wyzard | Sisco: I have a router running Debian and its filesystem is about 500MB full |
| 07:18.06 | Zippy2 | the best part is telling them theyre a failure and that its a waste of time for htem to try |
| 07:18.10 | Wyzard | Sisco: yes, netinst will download just the packages that are actually being installed |
| 07:18.11 | Sisco | Wyzard: did you use netinst for htat? |
| 07:18.11 | wols_ | Wyzard: that's a BIG router |
| 07:18.12 | Nyle | Sisco: just download the first cd |
| 07:18.19 | vnn | indeed big |
| 07:18.20 | Nyle | Sisco: just the first cd of 700~ish mb |
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| 07:18.24 | Nyle | Sisco: go from there |
| 07:18.25 | vnn | my openbsd is only 25mb |
| 07:18.25 | Wyzard | Sisco: yes |
| 07:18.42 | Sisco | vnn: lol |
| 07:18.46 | simonrvn | probsbly has emacs or something installed ;p |
| 07:18.56 | Zippy2 | vnn: admit it; the guy down the street installed it |
| 07:19.05 | Wyzard | wols_: It's router plus firehol plus pdnsd |
| 07:19.05 | vnn | naw |
| 07:19.16 | vnn | in fact its a fbsd...pfsense |
| 07:19.16 | vnn | :p |
| 07:19.20 | Wyzard | wols_: 100MB of it is /var/log, due mostly to all the logged RST packets from Comcast's bittorrent shaping |
| 07:19.26 | wols_ | Wyzard: and for that little bit your need 500MB? wtf? |
| 07:19.27 | Zippy2 | vnn: its not openbsd |
| 07:19.37 | vnn | I know, just said it, fbsd |
| 07:19.37 | vnn | :p |
| 07:19.45 | sf7 | i found a nautilus bug: which channel should i report it (if any) |
| 07:19.46 | simonrvn | if it's the same as i'm thinking, pdnsd got on my nerves. was trying out the ldap support in it. needs work... |
| 07:19.48 | Nyle | !open here |
| 07:19.52 | Nyle | -! |
| 07:20.06 | Nyle | nerds. |
| 07:20.12 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 07:20.12 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 07:20.18 | simonrvn | sf7: ^^^ |
| 07:20.20 | vnn | yea, I may work on obsd soon on a soekris |
| 07:20.33 | vnn | Nyle: you're insulting me, I'm a geek |
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| 07:20.50 | Zippy2 | vnn: you bite heads off chickens? |
| 07:20.56 | Nyle | im a nerd |
| 07:20.56 | Zippy2 | zing |
| 07:21.00 | vnn | yup |
| 07:21.08 | Wyzard | wols_: well, I haven't stripped it down to be as minimal as possible -- I'm not running any unnecessary services on it, but I have miscellaneous things like pciutils installed, and the standard set of manpages |
| 07:21.25 | Wyzard | wols_: and exim4 configured for local delivery only (as is the default) |
| 07:21.54 | Nyle | nullmailer |
| 07:22.10 | Sisco | ok 15 mins left for CD 1 |
| 07:22.23 | Wyzard | I hadn't heard of nullmailer before someone mentioned it to me earlier today, but I might look into it |
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| 07:22.29 | Nyle | Sisco: lucky bastard |
| 07:22.38 | Nyle | Sisco: I got 768kbps down |
| 07:22.39 | Nyle | :( |
| 07:22.43 | Sisco | 656.8KB/s |
| 07:22.45 | vnn | eek! |
| 07:22.46 | Sisco | :D |
| 07:22.50 | Wyzard | Sisco: You don't even really need the whole CD1, just the netinst CD which is much smaller |
| 07:22.57 | vnn | got 1180KB/s here |
| 07:22.59 | Nyle | yeh, that sounds like a 7-10mbit lan |
| 07:23.05 | Sisco | netinst was going to take longer |
| 07:23.10 | Sisco | from debian.org |
| 07:23.11 | Zippy2 | im 15Mbit down |
| 07:23.12 | Nyle | vnn: you got 10mbit |
| 07:23.16 | Sisco | I am using utorrent |
| 07:23.18 | vnn | yup |
| 07:23.27 | Sisco | I am getting 50mb down 10mb up |
| 07:23.28 | Sisco | soon |
| 07:23.32 | Sisco | business class :) |
| 07:23.38 | Zippy2 | i get it free |
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| 07:23.39 | Zippy2 | burn. |
| 07:23.40 | Sisco | thats why I want this setup good |
| 07:23.41 | stormshadow | no metorrent |
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| 07:23.55 | j0d3_ | hi |
| 07:24.00 | stormshadow | heya |
| 07:24.09 | Sisco | i am an overpaid pc consultant and its not a problem to pay it |
| 07:24.10 | Sisco | burn. |
| 07:24.15 | Nyle | Zippy2: I'm so good, they pay ME just to use their internet |
| 07:24.17 | Nyle | :D |
| 07:24.20 | Sisco | LOL :D |
| 07:24.22 | Zippy2 | Sisco: harsh |
| 07:24.30 | Sisco | Zippy2: yup |
| 07:24.32 | Sisco | lol |
| 07:24.41 | Nyle | Sisco: I was like that once |
| 07:24.46 | Nyle | I felt the money change me into an asshole |
| 07:24.50 | Nyle | so I quit my job and moved to nyc |
| 07:24.51 | stormshadow | Sisco: I need to go where u are. I'm overworked |
| 07:24.51 | Zippy2 | at least i dont live in socal |
| 07:24.54 | Sisco | LOL |
| 07:24.57 | Zippy2 | burn. (get it?? lol) |
| 07:25.00 | Nyle | i was making serious money |
| 07:25.02 | Sisco | stormshadow: socal |
| 07:25.13 | Sisco | lol |
| 07:25.14 | stormshadow | Nyle: It does in the beggin |
| 07:25.18 | Sisco | its not that hot here |
| 07:25.18 | Sisco | Zippy2 |
| 07:25.26 | Zippy2 | Sisco: wild fires |
| 07:25.39 | Sisco | hour from me |
| 07:25.39 | Zippy2 | Sisco: go outside, pc consultant |
| 07:25.46 | Sisco | theres nothing to burn around here |
| 07:25.47 | Sisco | its all city |
| 07:25.47 | Sisco | :P |
| 07:26.05 | stormshadow | where u Sisco |
| 07:26.05 | Nyle | I just wanna make enough money in my life to live comfortably and not have to go from paycheck to paycheck |
| 07:26.11 | Sisco | southern california |
| 07:26.11 | Sisco | stormshadow |
| 07:26.12 | Nyle | I don't really care about making a lot of money |
| 07:26.17 | stormshadow | me |
| 07:26.18 | stormshadow | too |
| 07:26.26 | Sisco | yeah |
| 07:26.26 | Sisco | i see |
| 07:26.27 | Sisco | ;p |
| 07:26.34 | stormshadow | :D |
| 07:26.36 | Zippy2 | i just got a new job |
| 07:26.37 | Sisco | i like to live large |
| 07:26.40 | Zippy2 | working for the other Man |
| 07:26.42 | Nyle | what do you do with all the money you have |
| 07:26.43 | Sisco | like bitch ass house |
| 07:26.44 | Zippy2 | state to federal |
| 07:26.45 | Sisco | porsche |
| 07:26.53 | Sisco | network surveilance on house |
| 07:26.54 | Sisco | etc.. |
| 07:26.57 | Nyle | you buy things that you think will fill the emptiness of life |
| 07:26.58 | Sisco | home automation |
| 07:26.58 | vnn | heh, been in Southern Central LA and Compton for 4 years |
| 07:27.00 | vnn | nice area |
| 07:27.00 | Nyle | and it doesn't work |
| 07:27.13 | Sisco | my brother owns a home theatre and home automation company |
| 07:27.15 | Zippy2 | vnn: how do you do a gang sign on irc |
| 07:27.19 | Sisco | i dont think it will feel emptyness |
| 07:27.19 | Sisco | lol |
| 07:27.33 | vnn | Zippy2: with ascii |
| 07:27.34 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.37 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 07:27.39 | Nyle | apt-get install figlet and use a figlet.pl irssi script |
| 07:27.45 | Sisco | it sure does rise my pleasure, conftorability, and entertainment |
| 07:27.47 | Zippy2 | simonrvn: im not feeling it, need more hard space |
| 07:27.53 | Nyle | or another client script to use figlet |
| 07:28.00 | simonrvn | that wasn't a gang sign... |
| 07:28.00 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.00 | vnn | ETG RSK SLOBK |
| 07:28.01 | Zippy2 | Nyle: you need this |
| 07:28.03 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.03 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:28.09 | Zippy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.10 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.11 | Zippy2 | damn |
| 07:28.14 | Zippy2 | -rwxrwxr-x 1 mylogin mylogin 135659 Jun 8 23:17 /home/mylogin/gay-11.0.pl |
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| 07:28.37 | Sisco | http://siscoconsulting.com/server.jpg |
| 07:28.43 | Sisco | a DVR I installed today |
| 07:28.43 | Sisco | :P |
| 07:28.44 | Zippy2 | # a suite of text filters to annoy people :D # |
| 07:28.47 | Nyle | Zippy2: are you prejudice against gay people? |
| 07:28.54 | vnn | erm |
| 07:28.57 | Zippy2 | Nyle: i wish i wrote it |
| 07:29.02 | vnn | no Sisco they aren't |
| 07:29.08 | vnn | got 19.22Tb here.. |
| 07:29.18 | Sisco | lol |
| 07:29.21 | Nyle | damn |
| 07:29.28 | Sisco | what the fuck you use that for |
| 07:29.30 | Zippy2 | im gonna get 2 40T boxes at work |
| 07:29.31 | Zippy2 | T |
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| 07:29.31 | Nyle | I thought my 1.5tb was good |
| 07:29.32 | Zippy2 | TB |
| 07:29.39 | Sisco | have a rainbow table for every encryption? |
| 07:29.39 | Nyle | but you possibly couldn't own that space |
| 07:29.42 | Nyle | its probably work related |
| 07:29.45 | Nyle | don't bullshit us |
| 07:29.54 | Zippy2 | i didnt say it was mine |
| 07:29.59 | Zippy2 | its for the government :| |
| 07:30.03 | vnn | Sisco: part backup for businesses, part warez, some rainbow tables |
| 07:30.04 | Nyle | not you |
| 07:30.08 | Nyle | im talking to vnn |
| 07:30.10 | Sisco | :P |
| 07:30.11 | Zippy2 | doh |
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| 07:30.20 | Sisco | what you mean government |
| 07:30.28 | vnn | omg, govt here |
| 07:30.30 | Sisco | Federal Agency? |
| 07:30.34 | Sisco | <- FBI |
| 07:30.37 | Sisco | :D lol jk |
| 07:30.47 | Zippy2 | im non profit :( |
| 07:31.03 | Nyle | I don't vote. |
| 07:31.04 | Zippy2 | no porsche |
| 07:31.21 | Nyle | my vote goes to... myself. |
| 07:31.34 | Nyle | I don't wanna be led, I go great on my own. I don't a fucking leader |
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| 07:31.40 | stormshadow | it's cold |
| 07:31.45 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 07:31.48 | Nyle | but whatever.. its too ot, ya'll have at it |
| 07:31.57 | Zippy2 | <Nyle> I don't wanna be led, I go great on my own. I don't a fucking leader |
| 07:31.58 | Zippy2 | lol |
| 07:32.03 | vnn | stormshadow: what do you call cold? |
| 07:32.10 | Sisco | kk |
| 07:32.13 | Sisco | g nite |
| 07:32.17 | stormshadow | lol |
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| 07:32.19 | Nyle | Zippy2: don't want a ... |
| 07:32.20 | cahoot | not really grasped the essence of democracy? |
| 07:32.28 | Nyle | I forgot 'want' |
| 07:32.30 | stormshadow | lemme check |
| 07:32.36 | Zippy2 | L'estate-Presto! YES! |
| 07:32.38 | CryptoMole | is there any way to reconfigure irq's for a given device |
| 07:32.47 | Zippy2 | my favorite season |
| 07:32.55 | Nyle | manual irq assignment happen sin bios I think |
| 07:32.59 | Zippy2 | in presto |
| 07:33.02 | Nyle | doesn't it? |
| 07:33.09 | stormshadow | vnn: 64 f |
| 07:33.17 | vnn | that is hot |
| 07:33.20 | wols_ | Nyle: for pci devices yes. but not all BIOSes support it |
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| 07:33.32 | Nyle | !irq |
| 07:33.32 | dpkg | methinks irq is (Interrupt request) This is a gateway for devices to request time from the processor to do their jobs. For instance, every time you hit a key on your keyboard an interrupt is generated on the keyboard IRQ. This is mainly only a concern for PC users. |
| 07:33.33 | CryptoMole | my setup is acpi configures my irq's |
| 07:33.37 | vnn | 32F here |
| 07:33.42 | vnn | so plz don't complain :p |
| 07:33.48 | wols_ | CryptoMole: what is your real problem? |
| 07:33.51 | stormshadow | lol :D |
| 07:34.04 | stormshadow | where are u vnn |
| 07:34.06 | CryptoMole | i have a pcmcia sound card |
| 07:34.23 | vnn | coldest temp I ever been was -97F |
| 07:34.23 | CryptoMole | and getting a kerel error |
| 07:34.34 | Zippy2 | my cpu hit 71c |
| 07:34.36 | vnn | stormshadow: near simonrvn, 3hrs north |
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| 07:34.38 | vnn | Quebec City |
| 07:34.40 | Zippy2 | maybe a little higher even |
| 07:34.41 | Nyle | its 48F here |
| 07:34.45 | Wyzard | CryptoMole: 16-bit PCMCIA? Or 32-bit CardBus? |
| 07:34.53 | CryptoMole | 32 |
| 07:35.04 | stormshadow | noway vnn -97f don't believe it |
| 07:35.12 | Wyzard | CryptoMole: OK, so it's basically PCI and shouldn't need manual IRQ configuration |
| 07:35.30 | vnn | stormshadow: in a Blizzard in Iqaluit, Nunavut, Canada |
| 07:35.53 | CryptoMole | but the dam thing dont work right |
| 07:35.53 | vnn | it includes wind chill factor.. |
| 07:36.14 | Nyle | !ot |
| 07:36.14 | dpkg | from memory, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 07:36.15 | wols_ | !tell CryptoMole about error |
| 07:36.15 | enouf | sometimes craptops need stuff like pci=routeirq boot option |
| 07:36.37 | wols_ | !tell CryptoMole about errors |
| 07:36.47 | enouf | !magic8ball wols_ |
| 07:37.00 | enouf | bah, bad dpkg, bad |
| 07:37.04 | vnn | heh |
| 07:37.09 | Nyle | enouf: hey hi there |
| 07:37.17 | enouf | Nyle: yo yo ma |
| 07:37.17 | vnn | stormshadow: I like extremes |
| 07:37.20 | Nyle | been a while |
| 07:37.22 | vnn | but not middles !@# |
| 07:37.25 | enouf | indeed |
| 07:37.26 | Nyle | enouf: yes, I like yo yo ma |
| 07:37.34 | Nyle | enouf: and kramer too :D |
| 07:37.36 | enouf | and dat too |
| 07:37.39 | stormshadow | Nunavut, Can is that near Vancouver? |
| 07:37.44 | enouf | ;-p |
| 07:37.48 | CryptoMole | wait will post error via patebin |
| 07:38.02 | Nyle | !paster |
| 07:38.02 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 07:38.04 | Nyle | is faster |
| 07:38.22 | Nyle | pastebin is like if you were getting head from a turtle |
| 07:38.26 | vnn | stormshadow, no its north of canada |
| 07:38.34 | vnn | lemme show you Iqaluit on a map |
| 07:38.36 | Nyle | very slow, is the meat of what I'm saying here |
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| 07:38.45 | stormshadow | oh |
| 07:39.36 | vnn | stormshadow: http://cdn-0.vtourist.com/1829820-Travel_Picture-Iqaluit.jpg |
| 07:40.33 | stormshadow | vnn: dats pretty cool |
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| 07:41.01 | Zippy2 | sleep afk |
| 07:41.27 | vnn | nite Zippy2 |
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| 07:48.33 | Nyle | !ping |
| 07:48.33 | dpkg | pong |
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| 07:49.24 | glontu | hello |
| 07:49.35 | glontu | is there a debian for core 2 duo machines ? |
| 07:50.22 | Nyle | glontu: yes there is |
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| 07:50.28 | Nyle | !di glontu |
| 07:50.34 | Nyle | no? |
| 07:50.46 | glontu | what is the version ? |
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| 07:51.05 | Nyle | etch |
| 07:51.08 | Nyle | debian 4.0 |
| 07:51.18 | Nyle | !etch |
| 07:51.18 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 07:51.53 | glontu | yes but i was wondering if it supports working woth both cores |
| 07:52.00 | Nyle | yes |
| 07:52.16 | glontu | and i need to install the 386 version or what ? |
| 07:52.37 | moc1obem1de | how do I create a simlink |
| 07:52.48 | Nyle | glontu: 686' |
| 07:52.53 | Nyle | moc1obem1de: man ln |
| 07:52.59 | glontu | oke .. thanks Nyle |
| 07:53.14 | Nyle | glontu: all modern debian kernels are SMP enabled |
| 07:53.27 | Nyle | glontu: I have a Core 2 E6300 |
| 07:55.04 | ma3x | can you add external usb hard disk to raid? |
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| 07:56.04 | Wyzard | ma3x: software RAID, yes |
| 07:56.21 | Wyzard | ma3x: You can add any block device to a Linux software RAID array, afaik |
| 07:56.57 | Nyle | export a block device over the net and add it to a raid |
| 07:57.06 | ma3x | Wyzard, and with what software can I manage it in linux (what package) ? |
| 07:57.07 | Nyle | thats fun |
| 07:57.12 | Wyzard | yep, can be done as a way of remote mirroring |
| 07:57.22 | Wyzard | though I think there's another driver that's better-suited for that |
| 07:57.33 | Nyle | hmm |
| 07:57.36 | Wyzard | ma3x: mdadm is the management tool for Linux software RAID arrays |
| 07:57.38 | ma3x | Nyle, over the lan or internet? |
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| 07:57.56 | Nyle | lan |
| 07:58.11 | ma3x | Nyle, why not? that's actually safer than over usb |
| 07:58.18 | Wyzard | It'd work over the Internet too |
| 07:58.20 | Nyle | sure |
| 07:58.25 | Wyzard | it'd just probably be too slow to be practical |
| 07:58.26 | Nyle | Wyzard: not too well |
| 07:58.32 | ma3x | Wyzard, what's the point of usb raids? usb gets so many resets. It's very faulty |
| 07:59.13 | Wyzard | ma3x: I dunno, I've never tried using a USB disk in a RAID array, nor paid much attention to the reset behavior of my USB devices |
| 07:59.28 | ma3x | I have an external usb hard disk and it gets reset randomly (maybe every 2-3 days) |
| 07:59.32 | Nyle | I dont even have any of those ungodly usb thingies |
| 07:59.35 | Nyle | fuck usb thingies |
| 07:59.38 | Wyzard | ma3x: but it's at least possible to create such an array |
| 07:59.38 | ma3x | so I always have to off/on it |
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| 08:00.00 | CryptoMole | now im pissed the dam sound card works in this other laptop not in my t60 |
| 08:00.20 | Nyle | I have a usbmate2.0 |
| 08:00.25 | CryptoMole | same kernel same debian testing |
| 08:00.30 | Nyle | and I just keep the hdds in my bag |
| 08:00.32 | ma3x | Nyle, whats usbmate |
| 08:00.41 | CryptoMole | yeah? |
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| 08:00.57 | Nyle | ma3x: its a little thing tha tlets you hook up ide devices to usb |
| 08:01.11 | CryptoMole | sweet |
| 08:01.13 | ma3x | like a usb flash? |
| 08:01.14 | Nyle | pata/sata/floppy |
| 08:01.23 | Nyle | all with power and everything |
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| 08:01.42 | ma3x | Nyle, enclosure |
| 08:01.49 | Nyle | nope |
| 08:01.54 | ma3x | well kinda |
| 08:01.55 | CryptoMole | it could be this card hates ibm thinkpads |
| 08:02.05 | Nyle | its like an rf nintendo thingy like |
| 08:02.07 | ma3x | that's what usb enclosures provide / except for floppy |
| 08:02.35 | Nyle | ma3x: well this is smaller, much smaller, and you can easly plug it into any kind of those devices |
| 08:02.36 | ma3x | Nyle, did you ever leave it on for a couple of days? |
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| 08:03.05 | Nyle | what usb hdd? its just an hdd in an enclosure man |
| 08:03.19 | Nyle | my hdd/compuer run 24/7/365 |
| 08:03.28 | ma3x | so you get resets? |
| 08:03.35 | Nyle | what resets? |
| 08:03.38 | ma3x | usb hd |
| 08:03.54 | Nyle | no... |
| 08:04.00 | Nyle | what are 'resets' |
| 08:04.13 | simonrvn | who are you talk to? |
| 08:04.16 | simonrvn | ing |
| 08:04.21 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:04.25 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.26 | ma3x | when you're unable to read/write to disk |
| 08:04.29 | ma3x | i/o errors |
| 08:04.33 | Nyle | awe |
| 08:04.54 | Nyle | ma3x: I get them all the time |
| 08:05.11 | Nyle | of course I usually just plug it out hehe |
| 08:05.16 | ma3x | yeah |
| 08:05.19 | Nyle | no really, I don't know what you're talking about |
| 08:05.32 | ma3x | firewire's a lot better, but not for hd, just for cameras.... |
| 08:05.45 | Wyzard | ma3x: for hard drives too, afaik |
| 08:05.56 | Nyle | once my sata hdd in my system was being identified as BzBzBzBzBzBzBzBzBz BzBzBzBz |
| 08:06.06 | Nyle | I changed the sata cable, and it was fine again |
| 08:06.10 | Wyzard | and the Mac's "target disk mode" is a great idea |
| 08:06.22 | Wyzard | Nyle: I had something similar happen with a PATA drive, and also fixed it by replacing the cable |
| 08:06.52 | Nyle | Wyzard: "We're not so different, you and I" |
| 08:07.01 | Sisco | whats the fastest hd cable available? |
| 08:08.08 | Nyle | what? |
| 08:08.15 | Wyzard | Sisco: Ultra320 SCSI |
| 08:08.21 | Wyzard | Sisco: or maybe fibre channel |
| 08:08.27 | vaq | Are there no build-in access-control in AoE ? (ATA OVER ETHERNET) |
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| 08:08.48 | Nyle | Wyzard: austin powers |
| 08:08.57 | Sisco | to run Ultra320 SCSI |
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| 08:09.07 | Sisco | do you get a PCIe card and plug the hard drives into it? |
| 08:09.17 | Wyzard | Nyle: never seen any of those movies |
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| 08:09.38 | Wyzard | Sisco: or you buy a server-class motherboard with a built-in SCSI controller |
| 08:09.42 | wAndyw | /joun #curl |
| 08:09.56 | Sisco | its for a gaming/developing machine |
| 08:10.16 | Sisco | are there any good server-class motherboards for gaming? |
| 08:10.16 | Sisco | lol |
| 08:10.30 | Wyzard | You don't need Ultra320 SCSI in a gaming/development machine |
| 08:10.37 | wols_ | Nyle: he has a SIS board IIRC. SIS -> shitty USB controllers |
| 08:10.47 | Wyzard | You need it in a high-volume server |
| 08:10.57 | wols_ | since harddisks are sually the thing using USB to its limit, they often go boom |
| 08:11.45 | Nyle | hmm |
| 08:11.57 | Nyle | what? |
| 08:12.01 | Nyle | no way |
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| 08:12.39 | Nyle | well, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 08:12.57 | Nyle | what do you mean by limit wols_ |
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| 08:15.36 | Sho_Mur | anybody knows how to add a startup script for derby db in debian(I am using embedded derby DB for embedded Tomcat app server) |
| 08:16.21 | wAndyw | Hi at all. Not debian specific but i don't know where to go (was also in #mediawiki). Is it possible to mirror a mediawiki with curl or wget? I want to have my wiki to burn on a CD for offline browsing. tried already wget -m -np -U mozilla but i think there are problems with php generated pages |
| 08:16.38 | Wyzard | Sisco: After checking, fibre channel is faster |
| 08:17.01 | Wyzard | Sisco: 20GFC -> 2000MB/sec |
| 08:17.22 | Wyzard | Sisco: but you'd only find that on a huge disk array in a corporate datacenter |
| 08:17.37 | Sho_Mur | Wyzard, can you help me ^^^ |
| 08:17.57 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: No, I've never used Derby |
| 08:18.21 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: but if it's embedded, wouldn't that mean you don't need to start it separately? |
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| 08:18.41 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: i.e. it'd be loaded automatically by Tomcat, within Tomcat's own JVM |
| 08:19.22 | Sho_Mur | Wyzard, but for a Network server client Db it should start |
| 08:19.47 | Sho_Mur | now we are manually starting it with a command -h 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:20.21 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: I suppose, but if you need a shared networked database, you should probably consider something other than Derby, such as PostgreSQL |
| 08:20.33 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: i.e. a "real" database server |
| 08:21.24 | Sho_Mur | This is our SOA application specific DB we using a command like this java -jar derbyrun.jar server start -h 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:21.30 | Sho_Mur | to start it manually |
| 08:21.43 | yang | anyone that uses vsftpd knows why listen_port=921 parameter doesnt work ? |
| 08:22.14 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: Anyway, you could make an initscript for it -- make a copy of /etc/init.d/skeleton (call it /etc/init.d/derby or something) and customize it as needed |
| 08:22.30 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: Read the manpage for rc-update to learn how to set it up to be started automatically |
| 08:22.41 | yang | I guess the restart was needed |
| 08:23.13 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: but your "SOA application-specific DB" has nothing to do with being tied to Derby |
| 08:23.24 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: Just install a real database server and create your tables in it |
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| 08:25.02 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: You might need to install a new JDBC driver, but it's not like your application is firmly tied to Derby and can't run with anything else |
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| 08:26.21 | Sho_Mur | Wyzard, yup , let me try your init script tips , will be back soon |
| 08:26.54 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: I probably won't be around when you get back -- it's 3:30am here and I should be sleeping already :-) |
| 08:27.29 | Wyzard | Sho_Mur: Just remember that you need to use update-rc.d or your initscript won't actually be run by the system |
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| 08:41.52 | CryptoMole | hi all |
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| 08:42.36 | CryptoMole | please look at the error messages here: http://pastebin.ca/771844 |
| 08:42.49 | mitziyahu | how can i clean/check other user's mailboxes? (im root) |
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| 08:43.25 | SlayerXP | mitziyahu: the root user shouldn't be looking at ordinary users' mailboxes |
| 08:43.29 | CryptoMole | this has been an ongoing issue with my debian box |
| 08:43.52 | CryptoMole | the computer is a thinkpad t60 |
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| 08:46.57 | mitziyahu | SlayerXP it's just spam, taking alot of space |
| 08:47.02 | mitziyahu | i just wanna delete them |
| 08:47.15 | dimsuz | hi! dhcpd doesn't work with my wi-fi provider. pimp works. how do I make 'ifup' use pimp instead of dhcpd by default? |
| 08:47.43 | mitziyahu | can i delete /var/spool/mail/? |
| 08:47.49 | dimsuz | s/pimp/pump :) |
| 08:49.32 | CryptoMole | hey all please have a look at pastebin error messages |
| 08:49.49 | CryptoMole | http://pastebin.ca/771844 |
| 08:52.59 | mitziyahu | Anyone? |
| 08:53.09 | mitziyahu | can i delete all emails at /var/spool/mail :S? |
| 08:54.02 | NiLon | sure if you have rights to do so |
| 08:54.17 | cast | well, he's root |
| 08:54.26 | cast | i think he just wants to know if itll fuck things up |
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| 08:54.48 | mitziyahu | yup, cast is right, that's what i mean. will it? :p |
| 08:55.37 | cast | mitziyahu: i think you can run '> username' in /var/spool/mail/, i say that because that file for me is zero bytes :) |
| 08:56.07 | stormshadow | mitziyahu you won't cause a kernel panic |
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| 08:56.21 | CryptoMole | by debian thanks |
| 08:56.29 | cast | > filename reduces a file to zero bytes, btw |
| 08:56.38 | cast | [in bash at least, nfi about other shells] |
| 08:57.15 | CryptoMole | note to self dont ask in #debian |
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| 08:58.59 | stormshadow | srry crypto |
| 08:59.32 | mitziyahu | why would the apache user get mailer daemon mail :s |
| 09:00.26 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 09:04.54 | wols_ | stormshadow: cause postmaster and webmasster usually default to root |
| 09:05.10 | wols_ | mitziyahu: ^^ |
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| 09:05.54 | wols_ | and you can delete /var/spool/mail just fuine, the MTA will recreate the file if the user receives mail again |
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| 09:08.27 | stormshadow | wols_ huh?? |
| 09:08.56 | cast | what's the diff between /var/spool/mail and /var/mail? or are they hardlinks to the same files |
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| 09:09.43 | stormshadow | cast plz do your research |
| 09:09.55 | stormshadow | dis is not an oracle |
| 09:09.56 | cast | alright :( |
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| 09:10.27 | mitziyahu | rofl i think its diff distros |
| 09:10.48 | cast | the answer is its two hardlinks to the same file |
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| 09:12.04 | stormshadow | cast now you know & knowing is half the battle |
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| 09:12.31 | cast | what's the other half? |
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| 09:12.50 | stormshadow | using what u know |
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| 09:13.03 | stormshadow | ;D |
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| 09:13.15 | utopia_ | stormshadow is full of sh*t |
| 09:13.22 | stormshadow | lol |
| 09:13.28 | utopia_ | :) |
| 09:13.34 | mitziyahu | haha |
| 09:14.02 | cast | while we're educating each other |
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| 09:14.35 | cast | try not to use dis/plz/u/etc |
| 09:14.55 | utopia_ | i think im going to play theme hospital |
| 09:14.58 | utopia_ | later guys |
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| 09:15.10 | stormshadow | lata |
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| 09:19.05 | tarzeau | morning |
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| 09:24.49 | FordCortina | is there a way to do a one-off bypass of the cd-rom in apt-get/aptitude? |
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| 09:26.02 | stormshadow | FordCortina: are u saying not to use the cdrom as a repository? |
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| 09:27.31 | FordCortina | stormshadow: yes but just temporarily, maybe by adding some options to apt-get/apttude |
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| 09:27.33 | FordCortina | ? |
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| 09:28.59 | stormshadow | have u commented it out yet? |
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| 09:29.38 | FordCortina | i know about commenting out, I just wondered if there was an easier way. |
| 09:30.15 | FordCortina | i mean *really really* temporary |
| 09:32.04 | FordCortina | a command line switch.... tada!!! |
| 09:32.19 | cast | dude, *you* |
| 09:33.47 | stormshadow | lol |
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| 09:43.11 | FordCortina | stormshadow: anyhow tahn |
| 09:43.12 | Sty1 | Hello, is there anybody who can help me with booting over a NFS-Server? I get all times the error, that it failed to open the device '/lib/init/rw/rootdev' and then fsck died with exit status 8 |
| 09:43.26 | FordCortina | stormshadow: thanks for the help anyway |
| 09:44.57 | stormshadow | :D |
| 09:45.24 | masus | !tell masus about install m-a |
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| 09:47.44 | stormshadow | in that case man apt-get |
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| 09:49.59 | harpal | FordCortina, If you want to use another repository than edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 09:50.21 | stormshadow | in a nutshell |
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| 09:51.22 | moope1 | !svn |
| 09:51.22 | dpkg | [subversion] a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
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| 09:53.14 | badcfe | hello. i have an smp xeon. what etch installer cd version should i download? |
| 09:54.02 | badcfe | i see that the kernel on surch a system already installed is 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 09:54.33 | liable | xeons are amd64 kernel iirc |
| 09:54.33 | badcfe | flags are fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 09:54.37 | liable | !xeon |
| 09:54.51 | stormshadow | badcfe 32 or 64 |
| 09:54.53 | liable | !amd64 |
| 09:54.53 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 09:54.57 | stormshadow | xeons? |
| 09:55.15 | stormshadow | ok |
| 09:55.36 | badcfe | oh so its not safe to go for amd64? |
| 09:55.44 | badcfe | i should use the i386 ? |
| 09:55.45 | liable | it is |
| 09:55.58 | stormshadow | 64 is great |
| 09:56.04 | liable | but pure 64 isnt recommended unless you have a real need for it |
| 09:56.14 | badcfe | why? |
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| 09:56.23 | stormshadow | support for 64 |
| 09:56.29 | badcfe | "Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64" |
| 09:56.33 | badcfe | hmm |
| 09:56.49 | badcfe | whys that? |
| 09:56.56 | stormshadow | it a 32bit world |
| 09:57.00 | liable | badcfe: because, if you have a real need for it, you wont miss shit like flash and other proprietry stuff |
| 09:57.19 | stormshadow | I agree |
| 09:57.23 | badcfe | "it" being amd64? |
| 09:57.41 | stormshadow | for real sh** I use 64 |
| 09:57.46 | liable | yes, a pure 64 system as opposed to a 32 with a 64 kernel |
| 09:58.15 | liable | stormshadow: you can swear here, we don't mind :) |
| 09:58.24 | liable | yet.. |
| 09:58.37 | badcfe | so i should go for amd64 with my dial xeon then |
| 09:58.44 | badcfe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.47 | stormshadow | oh, cool |
| 09:58.50 | stormshadow | shit |
| 09:58.53 | liable | badcfe: is it for a server? |
| 09:58.57 | badcfe | yes |
| 09:59.03 | badcfe | badass production yes |
| 09:59.07 | stormshadow | lol |
| 09:59.09 | flami | if its a xeon and its a server id go for amd64 |
| 09:59.18 | liable | then, yeah, if you are only going to use things in the debian repos, sure |
| 09:59.22 | stormshadow | yeah |
| 09:59.29 | badcfe | only debian repos |
| 09:59.33 | flami | apache and all that is compiled at 64 bit |
| 09:59.34 | badcfe | no s*** |
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| 09:59.38 | stormshadow | then move on to lenny |
| 09:59.45 | liable | no |
| 09:59.53 | liable | its a server.. |
| 10:00.01 | stormshadow | oh |
| 10:00.10 | flami | you can backport if you need stuff from lenny |
| 10:00.20 | flami | !tell stormshadow about backports |
| 10:01.05 | moope1 | Im using thunderbird on my imap account for work but it isnt giving me all my emails? |
| 10:01.15 | moope1 | I mean, all my rad emails |
| 10:01.17 | moope1 | read |
| 10:01.41 | stormshadow | thanx flami |
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| 10:01.54 | flami | did dpkg talk to you? |
| 10:02.05 | flami | dpkg ignores me :( bhuuu |
| 10:02.14 | stormshadow | nope |
| 10:02.21 | flami | argh |
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| 10:02.38 | stormshadow | moope1 whut do u mean |
| 10:02.51 | stormshadow | were u using pop3 b4? |
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| 10:04.25 | stormshadow | flami I got it |
| 10:04.43 | InsomniaCity | Hi! I have a headless etch box that I want to run X apps on remotely... what would I need to install? |
| 10:04.50 | flami | so is the bot working or not? :P |
| 10:04.56 | moope1 | stormshadow: no, Its always been IMAP |
| 10:05.20 | flami | InsomniaCity, you want a remote desktop? |
| 10:05.29 | InsomniaCity | flami: no, just the occasional standalone app. |
| 10:05.47 | moope1 | stormshadow: I have 2 computers that I check emails on, My laptop and desktop. For instance the emails that Ilooked at yesterday are not on my laptop todya |
| 10:05.52 | badcfe | liable: thank you for help about that amd64. 8-) |
| 10:06.35 | flami | InsomniaCity, ahh you can tunnel x apps . but i dont know how :P I normally make a remote desktop with VNC or NX |
| 10:07.10 | InsomniaCity | flami: yeah, I can tunnel them fine, but I'm pretty sure X isn't even installed |
| 10:07.17 | stormshadow | moope1: I wish I could help... but I use evolution. But it sounds weird |
| 10:07.24 | InsomniaCity | correction, I know how to tunnel them fine from other boxes |
| 10:07.29 | InsomniaCity | but this one doesn't have X yet |
| 10:07.36 | InsomniaCity | but I don't know what I need to install |
| 10:07.38 | flami | moope1, that sounds as if your pop account would delete messages on the server that it downloaded |
| 10:08.10 | flami | ahh , well you need xserver-xorg that should do it |
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| 10:08.45 | stormshadow | yeah that'd be cool to setup |
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| 10:10.47 | liable | badcfe: np |
| 10:11.48 | moope1 | flami: dont use any pop |
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| 10:12.45 | biz | hi, I'm trying to get gnome-volume-manager automount removables (usb-sticks and so on), but as soon as it tries to do that, I get multiple dbus 'access denied' messages, how can I allow the user running gnome to access dbus stuff and auto-mount the volume? |
| 10:13.30 | flami | moope1, i heard of a bug in Thunderbird involving imap and not beein able to see stuff. cant remember what exactly :/ . maybe google. |
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| 10:18.14 | omry | how do I count how many processes each command have? (forks)? |
| 10:18.22 | omry | (or not forks) |
| 10:18.32 | avtobiff | pstree maybe |
| 10:18.34 | omry | but with the same command |
| 10:18.37 | omry | lookin |
| 10:18.38 | sep | omry pstree -a |
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| 10:20.12 | omry | sep, nice. any idea how to convert this to something like : | |-{mysqld} (15) ? |
| 10:20.22 | omry | where 15 is the number of instances of that line? |
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| 10:22.41 | omry | found: pstree -a | uniq -c |
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| 10:26.34 | sep | omry, just "pstree" |
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| 10:27.02 | sep | should say something like 15*[mysqld] |
| 10:27.10 | Bushmills | is there a nicer way to find out a users home dir from a bash script than cutting 6th colon delimited field in /etc/passwd? |
| 10:27.31 | omry | sep, yes. I see it now, but I still like mine better because it's sortable with sort -n |
| 10:27.44 | omry | (by number of processes) |
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| 10:28.48 | Bushmills | i am not really happy with |
| 10:28.48 | Bushmills | HOMEDIR=$(grep ^${USERNAME}: /etc/passwd | cut -f6 -d:) |
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| 10:29.24 | mazzanet | anyone had experience with webcams in linux? |
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| 10:30.00 | moope1 | I have a silly windows user who is flapping all over the shop like a big pink pansy. Whats the best way to take controll of his desktop? |
| 10:30.16 | mazzanet | unplug it. |
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| 10:31.45 | liable | flapping all over the shop? punch in the face wont help? :) |
| 10:31.55 | cahoot | mazzanet: of course |
| 10:32.10 | Bushmills | moope1, give him a task (which takes you a few seconds, but much longer under windows), then ridicule him. |
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| 10:32.28 | crumblenaut | in bash script, how would you compare the output of a command with a multi-line string? |
| 10:32.36 | mazzanet | cahoot: is that in regards to webcams? |
| 10:32.54 | moope1 | Bushmills: I have done that many times allready |
| 10:32.56 | Bushmills | crumblenaut: pardon? |
| 10:33.05 | cahoot | mazzanet: of course |
| 10:33.08 | Ronin | moope1: ignore them then and chuckle quietly to yourself |
| 10:33.38 | mazzanet | cahoot: http://mazzanet.id.au/storage/webcam.jpg |
| 10:33.41 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: just like if it was single-line. |
| 10:33.42 | mazzanet | that's my current result :P |
| 10:33.43 | crumblenaut | one sec i think i worked it out |
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| 10:33.49 | moope1 | aw, He pays me |
| 10:34.11 | Bushmills | moope. change job |
| 10:34.13 | cahoot | mazzanet: you got fog |
| 10:34.19 | moope1 | and he is a nice chap & he has been making the right noises about moving over to a proper OS |
| 10:34.36 | moope1 | Bushmills: Hey man, he pays me but I dont work for him |
| 10:34.44 | mazzanet | not exactly... |
| 10:34.44 | cahoot | mazzanet: is this a device using gspca? |
| 10:34.47 | moope1 | cmon, how do I rdesktop to him |
| 10:35.11 | Ronin | apparently moope1 doesn't have enough work to do heh |
| 10:35.12 | jelly-home | moope1: man rdesktop? |
| 10:35.12 | mazzanet | cahoot: sq905 |
| 10:35.17 | crumblenaut | Bushmills / jelly-home : like this http://pastebin.com/m4b8e878e but that works :P |
| 10:35.28 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: great! |
| 10:35.38 | crumblenaut | no, i meant i need a version that does work |
| 10:35.40 | crumblenaut | sorry, broken english :) |
| 10:35.48 | cahoot | mazzanet: sorry my expereince is limited to gspca and uvcvideo |
| 10:35.51 | jelly-home | less great. |
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| 10:36.17 | mazzanet | mkay |
| 10:36.22 | moope1 | jelly-home: em, okay but that is the clisnt |
| 10:36.22 | mazzanet | cahoot: thanks anyway |
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| 10:37.35 | masus | how to enable the shutdown and reboot for a user in xfce4, after i clik the logout button only the logout button is enabled the other 2 are disabled |
| 10:37.35 | capiira_ | anyone know how to set individual locale for time,date,etc. and keep it even after reboot ? |
| 10:37.41 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: compare with the actual multiline string. |
| 10:37.57 | masus | capiira_: use date |
| 10:38.02 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: put a newline instead of \n there |
| 10:38.13 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: also, quotes around `` |
| 10:38.59 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: also2, another newline at the end |
| 10:39.24 | masus | how to enable the shutdown and reboot for a user in xfce4, after i clik the logout button only the logout button is enabled the other 2 are disabled |
| 10:39.40 | crumblenaut | im getting there, one sec |
| 10:40.58 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: something like http://pastebin.com/d5146e965 |
| 10:41.06 | crumblenaut | nah i wanna do it myself :P |
| 10:42.06 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: also, if your command's output ever starts with a - , the shell will get mighty confused |
| 10:42.10 | bind_prob | Anyone here that could tell me the english word for (packbox) it's a seal that fitted around (for exampel) a shaft of a hydraulic engine ..... |
| 10:42.42 | bind_prob | this translation must be wrong .. piston pump with end stuffing box |
| 10:42.48 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: any more questions --> #bash |
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| 10:43.59 | XoX | samba can provide roaming profiles to winxp users? |
| 10:44.25 | capiira | masus but date is just to show or not ? |
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| 10:44.49 | capiira | date can't set default paper locale etc. |
| 10:44.53 | masus | capiira: no date -s "date format" |
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| 10:45.24 | capiira | and affect other applications how they display |
| 10:45.42 | masus | capiira: for example | date -s "2007-13-11 12:45:00" |
| 10:46.43 | capiira | but what do i need to do if i want to change my system to metric measurement |
| 10:46.50 | capiira | paper to A4 as default |
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| 10:47.48 | capiira | and date as Tuesday, 13. November 2007 to display that way everywhere |
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| 10:49.28 | cahoot | capiira: look at /etc/papersize? |
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| 10:50.12 | masus | anyone an idea how to enable the shutdown and reboot button in xfce4 |
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| 10:50.35 | capiira | ahh ok i was thinking locale is responsible for that |
| 10:51.17 | cahoot | capiira: might be si - all was localized after install here |
| 10:51.50 | cahoot | s/after/at/ |
| 10:52.56 | masus | :/ |
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| 10:54.22 | masus | ;( nobody an idea ? |
| 10:54.28 | masus | hey debian masters :) |
| 10:54.31 | capiira | never used xfce |
| 10:54.39 | masus | :) |
| 10:54.55 | jelly-home | capiira: dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 |
| 10:55.17 | jelly-home | to handle /etc/papersize in a clean way |
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| 10:56.01 | ts_ | I have done a 'dd if=/dev/sdb | gzip >/media/ACERDATA/backup.img.gz', Now, everything is OK but I need to put this DD image onto a flash CF card. I've tried it but the original image was from a 40gb HD image but only 500mb or so was in use. DD'ing it to a CF card I get 'run out of space' of course. is there any-way I am able to truncate the extended partition size?.. or even mount the image file so that I ca |
| 10:56.04 | capiira | for what is locale then ? |
| 10:56.08 | ts_ | n just copy the data directly onto the CF card? Thanks |
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| 10:57.00 | rmaj | how to use LCD in the correct (1600x1050) mode? |
| 10:57.05 | rmaj | it was working, now it just stoped |
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| 11:01.45 | dStulle | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 11:01.50 | dStulle | shit... |
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| 11:02.40 | dStulle | there is nothing comin up when I try to read the guidelines...??? |
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| 11:04.47 | dStulle | hi, anybody there who has exp with ruby on rails with debian? |
| 11:06.33 | rmaj | are there debian based distros aimed at not beeing outdated, besides ubuntu? |
| 11:06.46 | Asmooh | debian |
| 11:06.58 | cahoot | like to provoke? |
| 11:07.01 | jelly-home | rmaj: #debian doesn't know about other distros |
| 11:07.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | rmaj, bit of a stupid thing to say here |
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| 11:07.18 | Asmooh | use debian unstable or something, |
| 11:07.21 | jelly-home | effective trolling, though |
| 11:07.39 | simonrvn | not when he's being ignored. *plonk* |
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| 11:09.57 | dave_at_work | Hi guys. Does anyone know what program I can use to generate XML from a spreadsheet as shown in the example on this page:http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/08/04/indesign.html |
| 11:10.19 | rmaj | Asmooh: the same problem, and compiling froum experimental's source failed |
| 11:10.41 | rmaj | do I have to use experimental's g++ to build from experimental source? |
| 11:10.49 | Asmooh | well thats your problem |
| 11:11.09 | Asmooh | why do u think its calling: experimental? |
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| 11:11.46 | jelly-home | rmaj: experimental is _known_ to be broken. Perhaps you want to contact the maintainers if you want to help them with a newer version |
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| 11:12.27 | rmaj | jelly-home: are they as open to poiting out that something do not work? |
| 11:12.56 | jelly-home | rmaj: how would I know? |
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| 11:13.09 | MrWGW | how would I determine the size of a file from the command line? |
| 11:13.16 | rmaj | MrWGW: du -h |
| 11:13.23 | MrWGW | ty |
| 11:13.25 | rmaj | MrWGW: or stat or ls -lh |
| 11:13.34 | dave_at_work | when I say as shown, I mean in the format <employeeEmail>davidfmiller@gmail.com</employeeEmail> . I've tried Gnumeric and OOo but neither seem to do this :S |
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| 11:14.04 | MrWGW | thanks a lot |
| 11:14.10 | MrWGW | I constantly am forgetting that particular command |
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| 11:14.42 | rmaj | dave_at_work: what? |
| 11:15.07 | rmaj | dave_at_work: oocalc can't export to xml perhaps? |
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| 11:17.32 | dave_at_work | rmaj: well it has an xml option, and odc is supposedly xml based. i flicked to windows to try it in excel and it can't do it either. i'd be happy with a terminal ap. just anything that can get my enormous .odc file into that format |
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| 11:20.57 | rmaj | dave_at_work: so export to xml didnt worked correctly? perhaps ask open office mailing list? |
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| 11:21.46 | dave_at_work | rmaj: or i could ask if there's a more able ap available :) |
| 11:22.10 | dave_at_work | i mean c'mon there must be something better |
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| 11:22.36 | rmaj | export to .xml failed? |
| 11:22.51 | jelly-home | dave_at_work: export to csv and massage the data with perl. |
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| 11:23.16 | rmaj | or just sed, for such simple change ;) |
| 11:23.50 | coyctecm | does anyone have amd64 packages for cairo-lcd libxft-lcd ? |
| 11:24.15 | tiny | Hi! I've used apt-mirror to create local repo. mirror.list: http://rafb.net/p/RXHn8g78.html . |
| 11:24.16 | tarzeau | coyctecm: for firefox 2.0.0.9? |
| 11:24.16 | coyctecm | well quess I just make them myself :) |
| 11:24.42 | tiny | Now .. I've switched to local mirror (edited sources.list) and did an apt-get update . |
| 11:24.59 | tiny | But I can't install certain packages. Like subversion for example. |
| 11:25.17 | tiny | http://rafb.net/p/ZDyKaO47.html |
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| 11:25.31 | coyctecm | tarzeau: firefox? i mean those lcd patches from david turner |
| 11:25.35 | tiny | Any ideas what might be wrong? Why apt-mirror didn't dl that pacakge? |
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| 11:26.50 | dc2447 | in dpkg-query - how can I tell what package installed a file - the equiv of rpm -qf filename in RPM |
| 11:27.07 | jelly-home | dc2447: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 11:27.40 | tarzeau | coyctecm: ah |
| 11:28.56 | dc2447 | thanks jelly-home: but root@eul0001208:/etc/apache2/conf.d# dpkg-query -S /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset |
| 11:28.56 | dpkg | gern geschehen, dc2447 |
| 11:28.56 | dc2447 | dpkg: /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset not found |
| 11:29.06 | dc2447 | oops |
| 11:29.11 | dc2447 | sorry |
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| 11:30.50 | rubymonk | I installed approx (kind of like apt-proxy) and I try this command: # debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /mnt/buildroot http://localhost:9999/ which fails with this message: E: Failed getting release file http://localhost:9999/dists/lenny/Release May anyone please help me ? Approx works fine, I use it with apt-get (install ...) |
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| 11:32.23 | man_in_shack | anyone here set up X forwarding with ssh? i can't get it working |
| 11:32.27 | man_in_shack | led |
| 11:32.31 | simonrvn | !sshx |
| 11:32.31 | dpkg | it has been said that sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try ... |
| 11:32.34 | man_in_shack | oops, wrong keyboard heh |
| 11:32.38 | rubymonk | There is my approx.conf http://www.pastebin.ca/771934 |
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| 11:34.23 | vovo | I want to submit a .deb package for one software, is it necessary to submit the source .deb also for deb-src? wouldn't Debian accept only the .deb package for the binary? |
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| 11:34.57 | simonrvn | it isn't that simplae submitting packages to debian |
| 11:35.01 | wols_ | vovo: debian needs to have the source, otherwise it can't distribute |
| 11:35.01 | simonrvn | simple* |
| 11:35.03 | wols_ | read the DFSG |
| 11:35.07 | man_in_shack | simmerz, i've done everything that dpkg says and it still doesn't work |
| 11:35.31 | simonrvn | xbases-clients installed remote? |
| 11:35.33 | wols_ | !tell man_in_shack about errors |
| 11:35.35 | simonrvn | xbase* |
| 11:35.53 | rubymonk | !approx |
| 11:36.05 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, yes |
| 11:36.28 | man_in_shack | wols_, i don't get error messages, it just doesn't work |
| 11:36.33 | xushi | how do you cat into a file? cat test >> file.txt ? |
| 11:36.53 | xushi | dumb me.. it's echo |
| 11:37.08 | man_in_shack | i try ssh -X to the remote box, and whenever i run a gui program from there i get some variation on "cannot open display" |
| 11:37.10 | wols_ | if you don't get any error message you are not doing anything |
| 11:37.19 | wols_ | if you don't get an error message in linux, it's working |
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| 11:37.40 | man_in_shack | i don't get any errors about the X forwarding not working |
| 11:37.50 | man_in_shack | it's just not working |
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| 11:38.09 | simonrvn | ssh -vvv -X |
| 11:38.18 | blinx | I can't find the daily testing netinstall cd for i386 |
| 11:38.26 | cahoot | xauth missong on either side? |
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| 11:38.41 | rtyrt | hi all |
| 11:38.57 | rtyrt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.08 | man_in_shack | cahoot, nope |
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| 11:40.04 | rtyrt | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,3) |
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| 11:40.23 | simonrvn | obviously the DISPLAY isn't getting set |
| 11:40.25 | majmun | i haven't got the binary "mail", which package has it..? i've got postfix installed, so i also thought that this brings mail |
| 11:40.40 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: trying to run the ap in screen maybe? |
| 11:40.42 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, and setting it doesn't help either |
| 11:40.45 | simonrvn | app |
| 11:40.52 | man_in_shack | no, screen is not running |
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| 11:40.57 | rmaj | rtyrt: your boot manager is trying to start system from invalid root partition |
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| 11:41.36 | rtyrt | rmaj: so what need to do |
| 11:41.38 | kanaldrache | Moin! Does somebody know a package that install a mysql database while installing so i can a take a lokk how other package maintainers do that? |
| 11:41.48 | man_in_shack | http://rafb.net/p/PDkzrm72.html << output of ssh -vvvCX and a few attempted commands |
| 11:42.01 | rmaj | kanaldrache: perhaps snort |
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| 11:43.33 | dStulle | hi, anybody there who has exp with ruby on rails with debian? |
| 11:43.45 | simonrvn | debug3: Ignored env DISPLAY |
| 11:43.52 | rubymonk | I installed approx (kind of like apt-proxy) and I try this command: # debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /mnt/buildroot http://localhost:9999/ which fails with this message: E: Failed getting release file http://localhost:9999/dists/lenny/Release May anyone please help me ? Approx works fine, I use it with apt-get (install ...) There is my approx.conf http://www.pastebin.ca/771934 |
| 11:44.01 | simonrvn | debug3: Ignored env XAUTHORITY |
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| 11:44.20 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: do you have an ~/.Xauthority ? |
| 11:44.27 | man_in_shack | i should do |
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| 11:44.51 | man_in_shack | yes, i do |
| 11:45.15 | simonrvn | recent one? |
| 11:45.19 | cahoot | who owns it? |
| 11:45.53 | man_in_shack | yes, recent one |
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| 11:46.04 | man_in_shack | created today |
| 11:46.16 | man_in_shack | owned by the user trying to run ssh -X |
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| 11:48.29 | simonrvn | is xauth where that debug says it is? |
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| 11:49.12 | man_in_shack | there is an xauth app there, yes |
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| 11:51.15 | blinx | where I can download the daily netinstall of testing?? |
| 11:51.36 | simonrvn | !cd |
| 11:51.36 | dpkg | cd is probably a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 11:51.45 | simonrvn | !cdimage |
| 11:51.45 | dpkg | simonrvn, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
| 11:52.02 | blinx | simonrvn: there is no *daily* *testing* cd image |
| 11:52.22 | simonrvn | and i can do something about it? |
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| 11:53.12 | man_in_shack | blinx, why do you want a daily netinstall disc? |
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| 11:53.29 | drc | where did he meantion that he wants a cd |
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| 11:53.35 | cahoot | blinx: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ f ex |
| 11:53.48 | blinx | kk |
| 11:53.49 | blinx | thx |
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| 11:53.59 | simonrvn | !lart blinx |
| 11:54.00 | man_in_shack | drc, "download the daily netinstall" << i suppose that could also be a dvd :P |
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| 11:54.34 | drc | well I didn't mean that, but anyways ^_^ |
| 11:54.35 | Enverex | Hrm, because of the FTP master being down before, has all progress been delayed or should it all go through as if nothing had happened? |
| 11:54.59 | simonrvn | depends |
| 11:55.32 | man_in_shack | the progress i want happening isn't happening on the upstream end |
| 11:55.39 | Enverex | I just updated and looking at the list, there's not much there considering the time... |
| 11:55.43 | Enverex | heh |
| 11:56.16 | Enverex | Seems the latest ia32-libs break Second Life... grr |
| 11:56.40 | man_in_shack | that's not a bad thing ;) |
| 11:56.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:56.48 | Enverex | It is when I need it |
| 11:57.02 | Enverex | I'm not really motivated to submit bug reports when I look at the existing bug reports and it says they are "1 year and 240 days old" |
| 11:57.03 | wols_ | No one needs SL |
| 11:57.06 | wols_ | truly no one |
| 11:57.21 | drc | no one _needs_ computers, stupid argument wols_ :P |
| 11:57.32 | wols_ | drc: this is untrue |
| 11:57.48 | wols_ | you couldn't feed the world without them for example. logitsitc simply wouldn't work fast enough |
| 11:57.58 | wols_ | *logistics |
| 11:58.13 | simonrvn | no, you need clean water, food, air clothing, housing, and a small bunch of other things |
| 11:58.32 | drc | wols_: you can get your food from forests, that's your logistics =) |
| 11:58.55 | Enverex | What forests, heh... doesn't work for everyone |
| 11:59.01 | wols_ | simonrvn: if you are a tribe at the shores of lake algonquin: fine. If you live in new york, you need computers |
| 11:59.03 | cahoot | tough luck |
| 11:59.13 | simonrvn | there's basic needs, and needs to accomplish something |
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| 12:00.21 | drc | oh, that's quite well put |
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| 12:00.47 | simonrvn | i hope so, tooks me a few moments to think of that heh |
| 12:00.56 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 12:01.25 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: imma out ideas, except running ssh-agent, but that wouldn't help much at all |
| 12:01.42 | Enverex | What makes no sense though is the break was from 7.0.1-1 and 7.0.1-2 of Mesa. And there wasn't anything in the changelog that could cause anything like completely broken graphics... |
| 12:02.10 | simonrvn | googleearth isn't stable for me |
| 12:02.20 | simonrvn | used to |
| 12:02.30 | simonrvn | (bets there's a bts entry ;) |
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| 12:04.31 | simonrvn | could try running x on the remote, or copying over your Xauthority |
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| 12:04.52 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: ^^^ |
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| 12:05.30 | simonrvn | !wb |
| 12:05.31 | dpkg | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 12:06.09 | Zenox | Is there an port for running Debian on a Sun Fire T1000 (the UltraSPARC T1 architecture)? |
| 12:06.27 | Enverex | Erm, my laptop has an X1700 Mobility graphics chip and fglrx is installed and compiled, but X keeps trying to use VESA instead. I'd set it in the Xorg config file but I don't have one at the moment on there so I went to run X -configure but it segfaults. Is there any other way of getting a clear xorg.conf file on a machine without networking? |
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| 12:06.49 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, copy .Xauthority from client to server? |
| 12:07.05 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: yeh |
| 12:07.23 | man_in_shack | will try |
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| 12:07.56 | man_in_shack | no change |
| 12:08.18 | rage | Hey all, I would like to man 3 <function>, what do I need to install to get that documentation? |
| 12:08.30 | simonrvn | Zenox: sparc no workie? |
| 12:08.42 | simonrvn | manpages-dev |
| 12:08.49 | rage | Thank you :-) |
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| 12:10.27 | Grejao | hi all. I need to start my debian at multi-user in a text mode. but i alread have change the inittab to "2, 3, 4 and 5" and the system allways starts on graphical mode. someone can say me why? |
| 12:10.36 | cahoot | Enverex: dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg is no option? |
| 12:10.48 | Enverex | cahoot, What would that do specifically? |
| 12:11.18 | cahoot | Enverex: I'd expect it to create a xorg.conf |
| 12:11.19 | simonrvn | Grejao: /msg dpkg nodm should stop that |
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| 12:12.07 | Enverex | cahoot, Great, thanks |
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| 12:13.58 | Grejao | simonrvn: its doesnt work here |
| 12:14.24 | Grejao | says: "dpkg need an action option" |
| 12:14.53 | cahoot | Grejao: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:15.00 | simonrvn | '/msg dpkg nodm' (no quotes) here, not in terminal |
| 12:15.58 | Grejao | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
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| 12:17.20 | simonrvn | Grejao: that's the thing you run in console ;) |
| 12:17.29 | simonrvn | (as root) |
| 12:17.31 | Zenox | simonrvn: dunno, it's an friend of mine that doesn't even try to install debian on this machine as he doesnt think that it's installable on an T1 machine |
| 12:18.01 | simonrvn | Zenox: well, 32 and 64 are supported |
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| 12:18.33 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/ports/sparc |
| 12:18.50 | neednick | anythings possible if you're willing to spend a week tweaking the kernel and pulling your hair out :) |
| 12:18.59 | Zenox | simonrvn: i'll try to convince him |
| 12:19.01 | hatter | how do i send the consistent output of a ping to a file ? |
| 12:19.03 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 12:20.05 | simonrvn | hatter: redirection; man bash; /REDIRECT |
| 12:20.17 | simonrvn | poof, there it goes, the fricking thing |
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| 12:20.34 | hatter | simonrvn, thx, i'll check it out |
| 12:20.46 | Grejao | how do i install firebirdCS at debian?? :S |
| 12:20.53 | blinx | why is the server so slow? |
| 12:20.58 | blinx | laotzu.acc.umu.se |
| 12:21.41 | cahoot | snöhinder |
| 12:21.43 | blinx | k I will switch |
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| 12:22.40 | SpeedyG | Grejao: you could try using alien to install an rpm of it, no idea if there's a debian release of firebirdCS |
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| 12:23.06 | SpeedyG | Grejao: however, using alien isnt a prefered way to install stuff :) |
| 12:23.19 | billybongo | what's the correct method for updating exim 4.63 to 4.67 if you have a customised config? |
| 12:23.23 | Grejao | SpeedyG: have no deb package? |
| 12:23.28 | Grejao | to install with apt-get install |
| 12:23.33 | billybongo | I just wrecked my running exim and had to backpedal |
| 12:23.59 | infinity0 | i have a process "find" started by "nobody" with status "uninterruptible".. is this normal or what? |
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| 12:24.11 | man_in_shack | yay! |
| 12:24.18 | simonrvn | hmm, seems it was myplaces.kml, or the cache, buggering |
| 12:24.30 | moc1obem1de | does debian have good support for wireless on an initial installation |
| 12:24.32 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: cool :). what didja do? |
| 12:24.44 | moc1obem1de | wpa_supplicant and ipw2200 |
| 12:24.52 | hatter | didja ry doo ? |
| 12:24.58 | simonrvn | !ipw2200 |
| 12:24.58 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 12:24.59 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, turns out there was an sshd that wasn't shutting down |
| 12:25.05 | simonrvn | oooh |
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| 12:26.06 | man_in_shack | what is firebirdCS meant to be? |
| 12:26.06 | moc1obem1de | simonrvn: is the firmware on the first etch cd? |
| 12:26.06 | moc1obem1de | simonrvn: dvd i mean |
| 12:26.48 | simonrvn | read what the bot said |
| 12:27.11 | Grejao | how do i can found more repositorys for my debian etch? |
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| 12:27.42 | wols_ | Grejao: what do you need more repos for? |
| 12:27.43 | Bobbins | lll |
| 12:27.43 | Grejao | at the instalation have a screen that have many repositys data,,, how do i open this screen ? |
| 12:28.00 | wols_ | !tell Grejao about mirrors |
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| 12:28.12 | Grejao | wols_: its because i remember that i install FirebirdCS with apt |
| 12:28.13 | wols_ | note: it's all the same repository mirrored all over the world |
| 12:28.16 | moc1obem1de | simonrvn: yes i had read it, I am asking because I would need a network connection to go to that website to download the firmware. |
| 12:28.23 | wols_ | !tell Grejao about search |
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| 12:28.32 | wols_ | if you can find it there, fine, if not,it's not in debian |
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| 12:28.56 | moc1obem1de | simonrvn: it was a specific question about whether the package existed on the media. If you don't know i'll browse the archives though |
| 12:29.54 | wols_ | moc1obem1de: firmware is rarely if every on any debian cd. this firmware is defintiely not since it's not DFSG compliant |
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| 12:30.30 | moc1obem1de | well I do have a short ethernet plug. It shouldn't be much of a problem. |
| 12:30.36 | blinx | is the bot dpkg as a jabber id available ? |
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| 12:30.55 | wols_ | blinx: only as a website |
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| 12:32.02 | simonrvn | moc1obem1de: .... debian doesn't carry them |
| 12:32.04 | blinx | wols_: and where? |
| 12:32.29 | moc1obem1de | simonrvn: is the driver in the default kernel |
| 12:33.31 | blinx | simonrvn: is there any testing businesscard image which has a moderate download rate? the swedish download server is really to slow |
| 12:33.34 | simonrvn | re-read it |
| 12:33.44 | simonrvn | blinx: pick another then |
| 12:34.32 | blinx | but the servers don't contain any testing businesscard image |
| 12:34.50 | simonrvn | so wait ;) |
| 12:34.55 | blinx | hm |
| 12:35.02 | wols_ | moc1obem1de: did you even rad the factoid? |
| 12:35.04 | blinx | but with 9kb/s it is really to slow! |
| 12:35.08 | wols_ | blinx: use torrents. it's legal, honest |
| 12:35.29 | blinx | sure |
| 12:35.30 | wols_ | blinx: tho, you shouldn't use a testing installer anyways |
| 12:35.48 | simonrvn | wols_: i very much doubt it, at least not carefully |
| 12:35.55 | blinx | but I have not the capacity to download debian 2 times |
| 12:36.03 | moc1obem1de | wols_: yes I did, I was just wondering if it is referring to custom kernel or default |
| 12:36.11 | blinx | I want to install testing directly without etch and then the upgrade.. |
| 12:36.19 | blinx | the installer is not the problem |
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| 12:36.30 | wols_ | blinx: you can't spare 150M when you are on broadband? |
| 12:36.36 | wols_ | *150MB |
| 12:37.05 | simonrvn | blinx: the testing images are for *testing* not for being lazy |
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| 12:37.16 | wols_ | for testing the installer to be specific |
| 12:37.22 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:37.29 | blinx | simonrvn: sure but I used testing half a year since last weekend |
| 12:37.39 | blinx | it worked for me and it was ok |
| 12:37.48 | blinx | but on 64bit |
| 12:38.00 | wols_ | blinx: just get a netinst lenny or a business card etch |
| 12:38.21 | blinx | wols_: and then in the installer I select "testing"? |
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| 12:38.46 | wols_ | no. you don't install anything by coosing anything |
| 12:38.52 | wols_ | you switch to testing, then install stuff |
| 12:38.58 | wols_ | *choosing |
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| 12:39.09 | F_Reality_b | the roundcube package is gone? |
| 12:39.23 | blinx | F_Reality_b: roundcube is *beta* |
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| 12:39.48 | toet | the packages are missing x/ |
| 12:39.51 | blinx | wols_: and how can I switch to testing, sorry I don't understand what you mean |
| 12:39.57 | drcode | hi all |
| 12:40.05 | drcode | any one know channel support about clips? |
| 12:40.23 | wols_ | by edting your sources.list then aptitude update;aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 12:40.39 | blinx | wols_: in the live system, ok :) |
| 12:40.41 | blinx | thx |
| 12:40.57 | wols_ | !info php5 sid |
| 12:41.04 | wols_ | !info php5-cli sid |
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| 12:41.19 | t00t | all php5 packages missing for some reason |
| 12:41.27 | t00t | even though i try to get roundcube >.> |
| 12:42.04 | wols_ | Tomasu: use another mirror |
| 12:42.20 | jzu_ | hmm, any Linux experts around?-) |
| 12:42.21 | Tomasu | I would, but I dont know what mirror I'm using now :o |
| 12:42.25 | jzu_ | I have a silly question |
| 12:42.28 | Tomasu | wols_: ;) |
| 12:42.34 | blinx | jzu_: no only windows users |
| 12:42.38 | jzu_ | blinx: ;> |
| 12:42.42 | t00t | lol |
| 12:42.48 | blinx | !metaquestion |
| 12:42.48 | Tomasu | jzu_: you're asking if there are linux experts in a DEBIAN channel? |
| 12:42.49 | t00t | im using *cough* windows *cough* |
| 12:42.50 | Tomasu | :o |
| 12:42.50 | t00t | :( |
| 12:42.57 | wols_ | t00t: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/php5-cli_5.2.4-2_i386.deb |
| 12:42.57 | jzu_ | Tomasu: right ;> |
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| 12:43.10 | Tomasu | debian is like the cream of the crop for linux people. |
| 12:43.10 | blinx | !meta |
| 12:43.15 | jzu_ | Im running an server, it's hostname is "unikko", logs contain: Oct 28 18:32:01 localhost kernel: eth0: Happy Meal out of receive descriptors, packet dropped. |
| 12:43.20 | blinx | !ask ask |
| 12:43.27 | jzu_ | is there a way to change localhost > unikko, or does it fuck up something? |
| 12:43.34 | wols_ | jzu_: kernel version? |
| 12:43.45 | blinx | cu I will install it |
| 12:43.48 | Tomasu | jzu_: just set the hostname in /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 12:43.54 | wols_ | !hostname |
| 12:43.54 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 12:43.57 | t00t | apt-get update worked |
| 12:44.00 | Tomasu | under the eth0 part: hostname foo |
| 12:44.07 | dpkg | php5-cli: (command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2473 kB, Installed size: 5404 kB |
| 12:44.11 | Tomasu | it helps set the dhcp hostname that way |
| 12:44.11 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 12:44.19 | wols_ | dpkg: you are alte! |
| 12:44.19 | dpkg | wols_: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:44.32 | jzu_ | Tomasu: So I should just set FQDN to /etc/hostname |
| 12:44.42 | jzu_ | Tomasu: or /etc/resolv.conf?:O |
| 12:44.53 | Tomasu | jzu_: set the hostname in /etc/hostname and/or /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:45.08 | jzu_ | Tomasu: ok, I have hostname already set in /etc/hostname |
| 12:45.14 | Tomasu | did you reboot? |
| 12:45.15 | Tomasu | since? |
| 12:45.20 | jzu_ | Tomasu: it has always been set |
| 12:45.23 | Tomasu | ah |
| 12:45.38 | jzu_ | Tomasu: hostname displays correctly in shell, it's just logs that contain "localhost" instead of hostname |
| 12:45.44 | jelly | jzu_: do you have an entry mentioning that hostname in /etc/hosts? |
| 12:45.52 | Tomasu | maybe its grbbing it from hosts |
| 12:46.02 | jzu_ | jelly: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost unikko |
| 12:46.07 | Tomasu | ah |
| 12:46.12 | Tomasu | put unikko first |
| 12:46.15 | Tomasu | but I'd actually do: |
| 12:46.22 | Tomasu | my.real.ip unikko |
| 12:46.24 | wols_ | jzu_: that hosts is fine |
| 12:46.31 | Tomasu | and remove unikko from 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:46.38 | Tomasu | but thats just me |
| 12:46.46 | jzu_ | Tomasu: ah, right. |
| 12:46.54 | jelly | wols_: hostname as 127.0.0.1 is fine? |
| 12:47.13 | niru | can I get the aufs module for 2.6.21-1-486 kernel |
| 12:47.19 | wols_ | jelly: it is |
| 12:47.21 | Tomasu | but then I dont need to add lan addrs to hosts as I have my firewall handling adding DHCP hostnames to my local nameserver |
| 12:47.37 | wols_ | !tell niru about search |
| 12:47.37 | Tomasu | which is where the adding of hostname to intefaces comes in |
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| 12:47.46 | jzu_ | so I should put it as 127.0.0.1 unikko localhost, 193.65.210.161 unikko |
| 12:47.56 | Tomasu | dont duplicate the name |
| 12:48.00 | jzu_ | ah, ok |
| 12:48.05 | wols_ | t00t: why not? |
| 12:48.10 | Tomasu | one name per ip |
| 12:48.13 | jzu_ | so I should add it interfaces instead of hosts, or? |
| 12:48.23 | Tomasu | heh |
| 12:48.27 | Tomasu | sorry if Im confusing you |
| 12:48.32 | wols_ | Tomasu: why only one name? |
| 12:48.33 | jzu_ | haha, no problem =) |
| 12:48.38 | wols_ | I ahve 3 for all, and it's fine |
| 12:48.39 | jzu_ | Tomasu: I wanna obey the RFC ;) |
| 12:48.48 | jelly | wols_: I see a sepatate entry for fqdn in a fresh etch install, 127.0.1.1 fqdn hostname |
| 12:48.51 | Tomasu | wols_: I meant you can only put a given name on ONE ip, |
| 12:48.58 | Tomasu | unless its set to roundrobin |
| 12:49.25 | wols_ | Tomasu: I have "adlatus" for localhost and my IP |
| 12:49.39 | Tomasu | sure it might work, but you aught not to ;) |
| 12:49.57 | wols_ | well I'm sure his problem won't be solved that way. |
| 12:49.58 | Tomasu | it might only return the first match from hosts |
| 12:49.59 | jzu_ | so uh, should I put 193.65.210.161 unikko.org to hosts, or 193.65.210.161 unikko |
| 12:50.13 | wols_ | cause why would syslog check DNS instead of hostname? |
| 12:50.26 | Tomasu | jzu_: I'd put xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx unikko and 127.0.0.1 localhost .... |
| 12:50.43 | Bobbins | can somebody explain what kernel tree handy is? |
| 12:50.47 | jzu_ | Tomasu: right, so I can remote the localhost.localdomain part from 127.0.0.1 ;) |
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| 12:51.13 | Tomasu | wols_: it may be using libc's lookup which will go through the resolver lib, which can be optionally set to do DNS before hosts |
| 12:51.29 | Tomasu | jzu_: or keep it, which ever |
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| 12:52.04 | Tomasu | wols_: libnss iirc is what is usually used to resove names, even via hosts |
| 12:52.09 | wols_ | Tomasu: libc's lookup how? and why? |
| 12:52.09 | Tomasu | or hostname.. |
| 12:52.24 | Tomasu | its a libc api function... |
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| 12:52.26 | zwox | hi |
| 12:52.31 | wols_ | which one is? |
| 12:52.44 | Tomasu | the one most people use to lookup the current hostname for a interface |
| 12:53.00 | Bobbins | can somebody explain what kernel tree handy is? |
| 12:53.04 | wols_ | I need an interface for a hostname? why? |
| 12:53.05 | zwox | does someone know how to output beep from sound card ? |
| 12:53.41 | Tomasu | wols_: you dont, but an app that needs to know what the hostname for an ip is, needs all that... |
| 12:53.55 | svzard | unlike in fedora the fonts/font rendering(?) in debian's browsers, mail clients, irc clients are very bad. can anything be done? |
| 12:54.24 | wols_ | why would syslog need an IP? |
| 12:54.29 | wols_ | it's a local function |
| 12:54.44 | svzard | they look fatty n ugly. arial font looks like a shivering sick man. |
| 12:54.48 | jzu_ | Tomasu: so what is the right syntax for /etc/network/interfaces to assign an hostname? |
| 12:54.49 | Tomasu | wols_: computers can have multiple ips, and thus multiple hostnames, |
| 12:54.49 | wols_ | Tomasu: man 2 gethostname |
| 12:55.00 | wols_ | I don't see an argument for the name IP or such there... |
| 12:55.03 | Tomasu | wols_: almost nothing uses that |
| 12:55.12 | Tomasu | oh, I thought you said hostname |
| 12:55.14 | Tomasu | not gethostname |
| 12:55.16 | wols_ | Tomasu: better tell gethostname that |
| 12:55.21 | Tomasu | jzu_: "hostname foo" |
| 12:55.28 | Tomasu | jzu_: under the device... |
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| 12:55.54 | jzu_ | Tomasu: yeah |
| 12:56.02 | Tomasu | wols_: really though, which hostname should it be trying to get you think? ;) |
| 12:56.02 | jzu_ | Tomasu: I have like thousand aliases for eth0 =) |
| 12:56.12 | jzu_ | Tomasu: eth0 unikko eth0:1 oopiumi.unikko.org etc :) |
| 12:56.17 | Tomasu | heh |
| 12:56.27 | wols_ | the machine's hostname. and again: what has it to do with any interface? |
| 12:56.28 | Tomasu | why? different IPs? |
| 12:56.35 | jzu_ | Tomasu: yeah, 13 IP's pool |
| 12:56.36 | Tomasu | wols_: which one? |
| 12:56.39 | wols_ | DNS hostname is not your /etc/hostname |
| 12:56.48 | jzu_ | wols_: true |
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| 12:57.01 | Tomasu | and I dont know of many thingsd that use /etc/hostname ;D or really care about it... |
| 12:57.03 | jzu_ | should I just put it as 127.0.0.1 unikko localhost to /etc/hosts |
| 12:57.14 | Tomasu | go ahead, see if it works. |
| 12:57.17 | jzu_ | yeah |
| 12:57.54 | jzu_ | nope, it didn't :) |
| 12:57.57 | jzu_ | this is getting fun |
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| 12:58.32 | Bobbins | can somebody explain what kernel tree handy is? |
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| 12:59.08 | wols_ | Tomasu: man 2 uname read the part about the meaninglessness of nodename (which is what gethostname returns |
| 12:59.46 | Tomasu | and yeah, I still don |
| 12:59.49 | jzu_ | Linux unikko 2.6.17.11-grsec #1 SMP Thu May 17 16:42:23 EEST 2007 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:59.53 | jzu_ | :) |
| 12:59.54 | jzu_ | shouldn't be there =) |
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| 13:00.04 | Tomasu | what shoudlnt? |
| 13:00.20 | jzu_ | Tomasu: I mean that it isn't as localhost in uname, so it can't be part of this problem :) |
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| 13:00.46 | Tomasu | yeah, I dunno what syslog is using in this case |
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| 13:01.04 | Tomasu | try restarting sylog, see if it uses the new hostname? |
| 13:01.10 | Tomasu | *syslog |
| 13:01.12 | wols_ | Tomasu: ti uses gethostname. |
| 13:01.15 | Tomasu | man Ive had too much caffiene |
| 13:01.26 | wols_ | and yes if you hcange hsotname you have to restart syslogd |
| 13:01.39 | Tomasu | or whatever you happen to be using |
| 13:01.43 | Tomasu | like syslog-ng... |
| 13:02.11 | jzu_ | I haven't touched hostname, it's always been set to unikko |
| 13:02.12 | wols_ | but he said it was always unikko |
| 13:02.25 | Tomasu | oh |
| 13:02.27 | Tomasu | I dunno |
| 13:02.32 | wols_ | jzu_: what you are saying doesn't add up |
| 13:02.40 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.49 | jzu_ | wols_: yeah. |
| 13:02.55 | jzu_ | restarting syslog did it |
| 13:03.03 | jzu_ | I have it now as 127.0.0.1 unikko localhost |
| 13:03.16 | wols_ | your /etc/hostst is irrelevant for this all |
| 13:03.21 | wols_ | Tomasu was wrong |
| 13:03.39 | jzu_ | no, it isn't irrelevant, since I changed hosts and now it uses unikko instead of localhost |
| 13:03.40 | Tomasu | wols_: so what fixed it then? if hostname was already set correctly? |
| 13:04.09 | jzu_ | yeah, Tomasy was right |
| 13:04.15 | wols_ | Tomasu: restarting syslog |
| 13:04.17 | Tomasu | wols_: if you look at it, its an error about an ethernet device |
| 13:04.18 | jzu_ | but anyways, thanks for you guys :-) |
| 13:04.31 | jzu_ | wols_: and setting hosts |
| 13:04.31 | wols_ | Tomasu: that's another problem. jzu simply lied to us |
| 13:04.38 | jzu_ | wols_: haha, how come :D |
| 13:04.41 | Tomasu | wols_: except that the hostname was always set right? |
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| 13:05.07 | wols_ | Tomasu: when his syslog started it was set to localhost |
| 13:05.25 | Tomasu | wols_: os so you say, but he has the machine in front of him, you dont. |
| 13:05.28 | Tomasu | *or so |
| 13:05.36 | wols_ | but I have a log of what he said |
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| 13:05.57 | wols_ | and people lying to us out of not really knowing what they re saying is very common here |
| 13:05.57 | rati | I have setup exim4 and now I can access my mails using outlook but when I try to sent my mails than its giving error - Server does not support SSL connection |
| 13:06.09 | jzu_ | wols_: Well the thing I have changed was the hosts |
| 13:06.18 | jzu_ | wols_: /etc/hostname has always been correct from day 1 |
| 13:06.24 | wols_ | rati: then either tell outlook not to use SSL/TLS or configure it for exim (TLS that is) |
| 13:06.27 | Tomasu | wols_: lets see the bit where he changed hostname is? |
| 13:06.44 | SlayerXP | rati: at a wild guess, I'd say that your problem is that the server does not support SSL connections. |
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| 13:07.03 | jzu_ | but anyways, I gotta head home, gotta go edit some photos > |
| 13:07.12 | jzu_ | laters *detach* |
| 13:07.23 | Tomasu | heh, love that screen. |
| 13:07.37 | Tomasu | too bad I have a thing for guis.. |
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| 13:11.11 | SpeedyG | hey, if I want a partition that can be read/written by both windows and linux, fat(32) would probably be the best choice right? |
| 13:11.18 | rati | SlayerXP: than what should I do that server can accept connection |
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| 13:12.29 | Tomasu | SpeedyG: for XP, ntfs3g or ext2 is nice. |
| 13:12.41 | Tomasu | ext under xp is a cinch with the fs-driver.org package |
| 13:12.43 | SpeedyG | Tomasu: winXP reads ext2? |
| 13:12.49 | wols_ | SpeedyG: yes |
| 13:12.52 | SpeedyG | nice |
| 13:12.52 | Tomasu | theres a driver for it yes |
| 13:12.57 | SpeedyG | ext2 it's gonna be then :) |
| 13:12.58 | wols_ | writes too |
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| 13:13.07 | wols_ | SpeedyG: no. use ext3 |
| 13:13.16 | Tomasu | it doedsnt do ext3 under windows |
| 13:13.22 | SpeedyG | wols_: right :) that'd be backwards compatible :) |
| 13:13.27 | wols_ | Tomasu: you do know what ext3 is? |
| 13:13.30 | Tomasu | that'll cause it to not apply any of th elog items before mounting under windows |
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| 13:13.39 | rati | wols_, If I disable that SSL in outlook than it gives me error unknown error occured |
| 13:13.43 | SpeedyG | Tomasu: ext3 is ext3 with a journaling option |
| 13:13.46 | Tomasu | causing the log to fail under linux |
| 13:13.50 | wols_ | rati: we cannot support outlook |
| 13:13.56 | SpeedyG | Tomasu: but the journaling wouldnt be obligatory |
| 13:14.07 | Tomasu | using ext3 in linux but not on windows can cause some confusion |
| 13:14.14 | Tomasu | I've tried it, its not the best idea. |
| 13:14.35 | Tomasu | if theres items in the log, that dont get applied, well then you loose that data. |
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| 13:14.54 | wols_ | Tomasu: if there is no log you always lose data in this case |
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| 13:15.08 | Tomasu | wols_: but at least you know you NEED to run fsck in that case. |
| 13:15.13 | wols_ | cause a log entry means an unclean shutdown. guess what happens on unclean shutdowns with ext2? |
| 13:15.17 | Tomasu | instead of assuming ext3 will handle it |
| 13:15.20 | rati | ok |
| 13:15.22 | |DuReX| | my computer keeps crashing, the error is http://pastebin.com/d4e48d192 , any id how i could solve this ? tried alot of different kernel versions ... |
| 13:15.35 | wols_ | you always know since there is af flag which telss your ext2 is uncleanly unmounted |
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| 13:16.04 | Tomasu | wols_: if you boot to linux sure. |
| 13:16.14 | Tomasu | fs-driver doesnt have an fsck |
| 13:16.41 | wols_ | if you uncleanly unmount a linux ext2 partition it's exatcly the same if you mount windows directly afterwards |
| 13:17.04 | Tomasu | except it didnt fix the errors... |
| 13:17.05 | wols_ | you simply don't lose anything |
| 13:17.09 | Tomasu | causuing more errors |
| 13:17.16 | wols_ | it won't fix the errors with ext2 either |
| 13:17.26 | Tomasu | it will since linux runs fsck ::) |
| 13:17.35 | Tomasu | its done on boot. ::) |
| 13:17.39 | SpeedyG | wols_: would it be possible to use winXP to format the disk ext2/3 ? |
| 13:17.39 | wols_ | Tomasu: NOT if you mount windows directly afterwards |
| 13:17.43 | wols_ | *plonk* |
| 13:17.45 | wols_ | SpeedyG: ne |
| 13:17.48 | SpeedyG | :( |
| 13:17.51 | Tomasu | which is exactly what I said |
| 13:17.52 | wols_ | *no |
| 13:17.58 | wols_ | well, you could use colinux ro such :) |
| 13:18.04 | Tomasu | and if you KNOW you picked ext2, you KNOW not to run windows after... |
| 13:18.16 | Tomasu | "oh I have ext3, it should be fine!" |
| 13:18.26 | Tomasu | except its fsck that runs the log rollback... |
| 13:18.26 | wols_ | !moron Tomasu |
| 13:18.27 | dpkg | Tomasu: You are moron #75 |
| 13:18.38 | Tomasu | nice |
| 13:18.41 | SpeedyG | well, know what.. i'll just format it fat32 |
| 13:18.43 | SpeedyG | :p |
| 13:18.45 | Tomasu | now I know where #debian gets the reputationf rom. |
| 13:19.25 | rubymonk | I installed approx (kind of like apt-proxy) and I try this command: # debootstrap --arch i386 lenny /mnt/buildroot http://localhost:9999/ which fails with this message: E: Failed getting release file http://localhost:9999/dists/lenny/Release May anyone please help me ? Approx works fine, I use it with apt-get (install ...) There is my approx.conf http://www.pastebin.ca/771934 |
| 13:19.25 | Tomasu | SpeedyG: cept now you need to defrag once in a while. |
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| 13:19.52 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:20.06 | SpeedyG | Tomasu: probably not.. the disk is only meant to cary a backup of my mydocs dir on my windows box :) |
| 13:20.09 | SamuraiDio | how do i disable daemons from starting at system boot? |
| 13:20.16 | simonrvn | rubymonk: you need something debootstrap can use. |
| 13:20.21 | SpeedyG | (some spare 10GB disk I found somewhere in a corner of a box ;) ) |
| 13:20.27 | rubymonk | simonrvn, What you mean ? |
| 13:20.35 | Tomasu | SpeedyG: you never know, if fat32 in windows is anything like NTFS, it'll auto fragment every file... |
| 13:20.44 | rubymonk | approx is just supposed to "proxy" the packages |
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| 13:21.03 | rubymonk | Well, to cache them actually |
| 13:21.05 | Tomasu | I once totally defragged an NTFS fs, installed a game, and most of the files were massively fragmented. |
| 13:21.11 | Tomasu | I was surprised. |
| 13:21.18 | Tomasu | I had to defrag again ::) |
| 13:21.30 | rocketmagnet | hi, what's a good cd ripping tool for debian ? |
| 13:21.33 | simonrvn | rubymonk: deboostrap is another way to install a system, you need a mirror |
| 13:21.38 | rubymonk | rocketmagnet, grip ? |
| 13:21.42 | cahoot | rocketmagnet: abcde |
| 13:22.01 | Tomasu | dd ftw! ;) |
| 13:22.06 | Tomasu | jk |
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| 13:22.20 | rubymonk | simonrvn, Right, but I don't want to go through a mirror directly since I have of debootstraps to do and that my internet connection runs at 128k |
| 13:22.41 | rubymonk | I want to cache the packages |
| 13:22.46 | Tomasu | rubymonk: you can make your main machine a mirror. |
| 13:22.54 | simonrvn | i doubt your 'approx' source has all that's needed |
| 13:23.00 | rubymonk | Tomasu, How? |
| 13:23.12 | Tomasu | rubymonk: apt-mirror and a http server? |
| 13:23.13 | rubymonk | humn... |
| 13:23.20 | Tomasu | not 100% sure... |
| 13:23.25 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 13:23.26 | rubymonk | ok |
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| 13:23.31 | rubymonk | Will look into it |
| 13:24.11 | wols_ | rubymonk: ask dpkg about apt-cacher and apt-proxy |
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| 13:25.39 | rubymonk | wols_, Right, it's what approx does... |
| 13:25.41 | rubymonk | but thanks, I'll look into it |
| 13:25.45 | rubymonk | wols_, I have approx configured... |
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| 13:29.29 | gkiagia | is it normal that make-kpkg has stuck in the very first command for about 10 minutes and is taking 50% cpu time?? |
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| 13:32.17 | stew | rubymonk: what happens when you try "wget http://localhost:9999/dists/lenny/Release" ? |
| 13:32.34 | stew | rubymonk: and what happens when you run "wget http://localhost:9999/debian/dists/lenny/Release" ? |
| 13:33.12 | rubymonk | In the first case, I get an 403 error "Forbidden" |
| 13:33.22 | rubymonk | In the second case, it downloaded soemthing |
| 13:33.41 | stew | rubymonk: try changing http://localhost:9999 to http://localhost:9999/debian in your debootstrap command |
| 13:33.59 | rubymonk | Good call :) |
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| 13:34.04 | rubymonk | Thanks a lot stew :) |
| 13:34.15 | simonrvn | oh wow, nice catch stew |
| 13:34.55 | stew | i guess approx works just like my apt-proxy then :) |
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| 13:37.26 | stork | any idea why run-parts refuses to execute a script :\ ? |
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| 13:39.49 | rubymonk | stew, I think they meant doing a copy, it even works on the same port... 9999 |
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| 13:42.22 | moleprince | Hello. Is there any way that I can check which ethernet/wireless adapters are supported in the floppy installer? I have three wireless adapters and two pcmcia ones and NONE of them work with the Etch installer. |
| 13:42.37 | thelostbutler | hello folks how does one open a jnlp file in iceweasel (running sid) |
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| 13:45.00 | sep | thelostbutler, basicaly you don't, but you may have to tell your firefox to open jnlp in javaws |
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| 13:45.44 | thelostbutler | sep: how woudl i do that ? |
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| 13:46.59 | sep | perhaps when you get the download windows, click on open using application, point it to your javaws, and and mark the allways use this application |
| 13:47.07 | wols_ | moc1obem1de: pretty much none you can buy right now |
| 13:47.21 | wols_ | moleprince: ^^ |
| 13:47.22 | sep | or you can add some mime strings that i'd have to google to find, and you can do that just as well as i |
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| 13:47.34 | wols_ | moleprince: you need at least a firmware |
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| 13:55.54 | thelostbutler | sep: that worked thanks |
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| 13:57.47 | BlackH8t | kann man noch irgendwie woody oder sarge laden / wo ? |
| 13:57.54 | moleprince | wols_ : What do you mean none that I can buy now? That I won't be able to find any cards compatible with debian? The list of compatible hardware is only good so far as an installed system, the installer system itself doesn't seem to support most of those. |
| 13:58.27 | BlackH8t | wrong channel, sry |
| 13:58.30 | moleprince | BlackH8t: Vielleichts sollen Sie denn fragen aus #debian-de :) |
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| 13:59.22 | FastPutty | someone usedcygwin ? |
| 13:59.42 | FastPutty | smeone go als: hiberfil.sys: Device or resource busy |
| 14:00.11 | moleprince | One of my cards is a 3C3FEM556C which is allegedly supported under the 3c574_cs driver, but when I try to load it using that it doesn't recognize it. |
| 14:00.26 | SlayerXP | FastPutty: I await the next part of this story, which connects your question with debian, with great interest |
| 14:02.15 | wols_ | moleprince: a few older carde were supported by ther vanilla kernel. but nowadays pretty much any card needs firmware and that firmware is non-free even when the driver is free -> debian can't distribute it |
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| 14:02.44 | wols_ | !tell moleprince about errors |
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| 14:04.49 | moleprince | wols_ The error is that the installer doesn't recognize the card even when I point it to the driver suggested by the compatible hardware list. I also have a Xircon RBEM56g-100 which is recognized but won't take an IP from DHCP even when offered. |
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| 14:06.17 | moleprince | wols_ I recognize the issue with firmware and such, which is why I asked if there was a way to find out whcih ones the installer supported. |
| 14:06.38 | wols_ | moleprince: use modprobe and try to load the driver that way |
| 14:06.42 | wols_ | not in the ncurses UI |
| 14:06.53 | FastPutty | i would like to know how to print like the 5th line on a text? |
| 14:07.02 | FastPutty | which command i should use for this |
| 14:07.32 | wols_ | FastPutty: head and tail should be able to do it |
| 14:07.53 | rubymonk | stew, Well deboostrap didn't show any error but... if I can trust iptraf, nothing is getting downloaded... sounds like it hangs... |
| 14:07.56 | rubymonk | nay idea ? |
| 14:07.57 | moleprince | wols_ The 3c574_cs module is loaded according to lsmod at least, but only lo shows in ifconfig. |
| 14:08.10 | wols_ | moleprince: ifconfig -a |
| 14:08.25 | moleprince | wols_ Already tried, same result. |
| 14:08.43 | wols_ | what does dmes say about the sriver? |
| 14:08.46 | wols_ | *driver |
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| 14:10.06 | moleprince | wols_ Not a peep. |
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| 14:10.50 | Enverex | Hrm, this isn't good, when I do dpkg-reconfigure for XOrg and let it work out the monitor on my laptop, the screen goes black and never comes back :( |
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| 14:12.00 | Enverex | I'm using a Mobility X1700 Radeon and I just can't get it to work properly now (screen goes off and doesn't come back with fglrx) |
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| 14:13.25 | drc | have you tried to switch the resolutions, there was some button combination which changed it |
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| 14:13.28 | drc | can't remember it |
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| 14:14.30 | Enverex | X doesn't actually start, when I checked the log it said that fglrx didn't like 8 bit (why would it be using that in the first place?) and it doesn't start, so why the screen doesn't come back doesn't make sense. Trying to switch to TTY1 or any others doesn't work either. |
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| 14:15.02 | drc | oh |
| 14:15.26 | drc | you need to check the configs |
| 14:15.39 | drc | if it tries to run it in 8bit, remove the 8bit part from the config |
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| 14:16.15 | Enverex | There isn't any 8bit in there |
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| 14:20.48 | winsnomore | got a problem with debian 4.01 |
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| 14:22.37 | winsnomore | It seems not to see boot partition after a fresh install .. boot partition is formatted with ext2 and it complains that the partition doesn't exist .. if I boot Suse from the same grub/menu.list it works fine. It seems to be confused with the drive terminology .. it is calling my ide disks /dev/sdb? and is looking for /dev/hda1 for boot .. can anytell where to fix it. |
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| 14:23.18 | fkm | Hi there. What do you think of the idea to have a webserver run the testing release of Debian Etch? Is this alright or suicide? |
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| 14:23.48 | winsnomore | etch is pretty old .. debian generally works |
| 14:23.52 | SlayerXP | fkm: i use testing on servers for certain reasons. you just have to be careful. |
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| 14:23.53 | cahoot | what would be the point? |
| 14:24.52 | fkm | SlayerXP, Ok. Sounds like I should leave it be then :) |
| 14:25.00 | Enverex | Ok this stupid VESA driver is killing my eyes, it wont run at my LCDs native res. Can someone aid me with the FGLRX issue to try and get it working? |
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| 14:25.04 | fkm | cahoot, So that I can install Kolab2 through APT |
| 14:25.07 | abrotman | fkm: is it internal or external? |
| 14:25.22 | wols_ | Enverex: what is your Xorg.l0.log? |
| 14:25.37 | fkm | abrotman, It's an external webserver with (not at the moment) two commercial pages on it |
| 14:26.09 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 14:26.09 | dpkg | well, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 14:26.09 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 14:26.09 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 14:26.16 | fkm | Thanks abrotman! |
| 14:26.32 | wols_ | winsnomore: from some kernel onward almost all hda devices are sda now. fix your menu.lst |
| 14:26.39 | Enverex | wols_, The FGLRX driver complains that 8bit isn't supported (although 8bit isn't specified in the config) |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | fkm: check the tracker of doom(maybe keep an eye on it) .. it's not a great idea .. but we've had people in here running servers on unstable (also oyu might want to look at backports.org to see if you could do it with etch+bakcports) |
| 14:26.56 | wols_ | Enverex: then pastebing both log and xorg.conf |
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| 14:27.24 | fkm | Ok, I'll do that. Thank you :) |
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| 14:27.56 | Enverex | wols_, Erm, not really possible because I have to replace the xorg.conf to get Xorg to load with vesa instead and then of course I have the log for now rather than then, but I'll work something out, bare with me |
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| 14:28.27 | wols_ | Enverex: what do you need X for for pasting anything? |
| 14:28.28 | winsnomore | wols .. I can fix the booting by pointing root=/dev/sdb3 .. but my /boot is on /dev/sdb1 (new term) ..but the darn grub/bootloader is looking for /dev/hda1 |
| 14:28.37 | wols_ | also there is this wonderful command named cp for the xorg.conf |
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| 14:28.44 | wols_ | and the equally nice timestamps in xorg.log |
| 14:29.16 | wols_ | !tell winsnomore about errors |
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| 14:29.37 | Enverex | wols_, Because without it I can't use X-Chat, have no mouse, no copy and paste and I need X to connect to my WPA2 network |
| 14:29.59 | wols_ | !tell Enverex about pastewithoutx |
| 14:30.35 | tboonstra | Hi Al, tough question/problem: I've got a server in a datacenter, which has 2 routes to reach it. One route always succeeds to reach the machine, the other one always fails. it has 1 IP address, and its arp table *looks* good, i'm not sure though. All my other machines in the same rack in the same IP range, and with almost the same config donot have this problem. Where should I look to fix this? |
| 14:30.43 | tboonstra | could anybody help? |
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| 14:30.55 | winsnomore | @wols the error it complains about is fsck failing .. well it's going to fail because it doesn't find the /dev/hda1 .. but it should be looking for /dev/sda1 .. it's kind of stupid circular thing .. .. i can boot the machine by just ignoring the error .. but would like to fix it. |
| 14:30.56 | ravenbird | okay, winsnomore |
| 14:31.31 | wols_ | winsnomore: either you tell me the exact error or you have to fix your problem yourself |
| 14:31.52 | wols_ | @forget wols the error it complains about |
| 14:31.53 | ravenbird | i forgot wols the error it complains about, wols_ |
| 14:32.25 | wols_ | winsnomore: don't use @ as first char of a line in here please |
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| 14:33.05 | rubymonk | How could I diagnose why deboostrap starts downloading packages and stop at some point ? Already tried --verbose but it tells nothing more... |
| 14:33.13 | rubymonk | there's no error, nothing |
| 14:33.17 | helo | please use "/me says to name ..." |
| 14:33.19 | winsnomore | @wols .. I don't have the error code .. it complained of e2fsck failed .. can't recognize the files system ext2 .. and dropped me to console shell .. if I mount /dev/sda1 it is fine .. but the boot loader/initrd image (i don't know which) is the one having a problem of naming drives. As I said if I just hit control-d and keep going the system boots fine. |
| 14:33.20 | ravenbird | winsnomore: what are you talking about? |
| 14:33.39 | rubymonk | The connections get closed and that's it |
| 14:33.40 | Enverex | wols_, Ok, it says vesa as the driver, forget that, it said fglrx at the time, I've changed it since, everything else is the same thing -- http://rafb.net/p/Use0ox98.html |
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| 14:34.22 | abrotman | winsnomore: stop with the @ .. it looks stupid |
| 14:34.53 | melodosgr | anyone here managed to get compiz-fusion properly working on his etch? |
| 14:35.10 | Enverex | Compiz on an Etch'a'Scetch? wow.. |
| 14:35.21 | melodosgr | wha? |
| 14:36.35 | simonrvn | etch, full name is etch'a'sketch ... |
| 14:36.41 | melodosgr | oh right. |
| 14:36.46 | melodosgr | well anyone? |
| 14:36.58 | winsnomore | ravebird: i am running debian-4.01-amd with 2 hard disks IDE and SATA .. IDE is boot drive with /boot partition and another part that has debian. Fresh debian install had root=/dev/hda3 .. which should have been /dev/sdb3 .. I corrected that .. but the boot fails in the middle complaining fsck failing on /dev/hda1 -- can't recognize "ext2" file system .. complains of "corrupted superblock" .. but I think that's because it's looking for t |
| 14:36.58 | winsnomore | he wrong drive .. /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | winsnomore: ravenbird is a bot .. leave it alone |
| 14:37.12 | XoX | what is this file responsible of /var/lib/nfs/state |
| 14:37.15 | Enverex | winsnomore, That's a bot, lol |
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| 14:38.58 | wols_ | winsnomore: pastebin yoour menu.lst and your debian fstab |
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| 14:40.35 | wols_ | Enverex: set DefaultDepth |
| 14:41.04 | abrotman | 20,000 Leagues! |
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| 14:41.44 | winsnomore | wols: title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22.5-31-default |
| 14:41.45 | winsnomore | root (hd0,0) |
| 14:41.45 | winsnomore | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.22.5-31-default root=/dev/sdb3 ro |
| 14:41.45 | winsnomore | initrd /initrd-2.6.22.5-31-default |
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| 14:42.34 | abrotman | is that a debian kernel? |
| 14:42.40 | wols_ | of course not |
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| 14:43.30 | moope1 | !key |
| 14:43.31 | dpkg | [key] Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 14:44.20 | moope1 | !locales |
| 14:44.21 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 14:44.28 | wols_ | !tell moope1 about selftell |
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| 14:44.52 | wols_ | winsnomore: what debian did you install? |
| 14:45.08 | winsnomore | wols: I got kicked out by using a paste command .. as you can see I am not used to IRC .. my second time only |
| 14:45.22 | wols_ | I saw. pleae answer my question |
| 14:45.26 | winsnomore | wols : 4.01 amd64 .. it's the testing release. |
| 14:45.33 | wols_ | that is wrong |
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| 14:45.47 | wols_ | your vmlinuz-2.6.22.5-31-default is not a debian kernel |
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| 14:46.00 | wols_ | !tell winsnomore about paste |
| 14:46.12 | wols_ | and 4.01 is etch aka stable, not testing |
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| 14:47.36 | winsnomore | wols: I just double checked . .it's 40r1.amd64-dvd.iso I burnt .. and the kernel DOES boot debian .. i did it an hour ago |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | no freaking way is that etch |
| 14:48.15 | wols_ | nevertheless it is NOT debian, debian uses kernel 2.6.18 |
| 14:48.33 | DawnLight | right ^ |
| 14:48.41 | abrotman | he compiled his own kernel .. and thought he knew better |
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| 14:49.13 | eike | i've got problems with creating a (sid) pbuilder environment... after (or while?) "Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt", it fails with the messages "E: Couldn't install system due to errors!", "pbuilder: cdebootstrap failed" |
| 14:49.21 | wols_ | abrotman: I suspect it's his suse or some other kernel |
| 14:49.47 | wols_ | yep, suse |
| 14:51.04 | rubymonk | How could I diagnose why deboostrap starts downloading packages and stop at some point ? Already tried --verbose but it tells nothing more... |
| 14:51.06 | rubymonk | The connections get closed and that's it |
| 14:51.07 | winsnomore | wols: yes .. you guys are right it's suse kernel but uses the partition that has debian installed .. but I didn't go it .. it was done by the debian installer .. I just didn't pay attention .. it's title even say Debian/Gnu kernel .. wtf .. thanks for the helpo |
| 14:51.11 | mirshafie | i've some permission trouble (i think). after i tried to chmod everything in my music folder at the same time, i got a message that the argument list was too long. after that i can't ls any subdirs in the music folder, and i cannot change permissions for anything there. here's an example: http://pastebin.ca/772052 |
| 14:51.41 | cast | chmod +x dir |
| 14:51.57 | wols_ | winsnomore: debian (and suse) can only deal with their own menu.lst |
| 14:52.13 | wols_ | your told debian installer to write a a suse menu.lst which was bad |
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| 14:52.17 | rubymonk | I straced it... nothing really relevant |
| 14:52.21 | cast | mirshafie: wait...looked at paste, i have nfi |
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| 14:52.47 | rubymonk | ... or nothing I could understand anyways... |
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| 14:53.01 | mirshafie | cast: yeah, i've never seen something like it... really strange. and this is what happened to 250 GBs of music! |
| 14:53.08 | Enverex | wols_, That fixed it, thanks. I thought it may but thought that it should have been trying 24 automatically in the first place... |
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| 14:53.21 | winsnomore | wols: ... I didn't Suse was already on the disk .. I didn't care for it .. installed debian on a different partition .. asked it to reformat and use the /boot on a different partition .. and it gave me this :-) |
| 14:53.46 | cast | mirshafie: does `find .` work? |
| 14:53.51 | wols_ | winsnomore: I don't believe you |
| 14:53.51 | rubymonk | mirshafie, But, of course, you got a backup.... right ? |
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| 14:54.50 | winsnomore | wols: Hey .. this was done last night .. btw why is menu.lst so divergent ? I used to have 5 distro's on different partitions .. are you saying something is changed |
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| 14:55.07 | mogra | morning, debbers |
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| 14:56.50 | mirshafie | cast: it finds all my dirs with a . in it :) but it doesn't help for the music |
| 14:57.01 | SpeedyG | afternoon mogra |
| 14:57.03 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 14:57.03 | wols_ | winsnomore: you used the same menu.lst for the two distros |
| 14:57.06 | mirshafie | rubymonk: nope, i didn't. my hdds were full at the time |
| 14:57.11 | wols_ | update-grub doesn't expect that and can't deal with this |
| 14:57.21 | cast | well, find . will list all files and subdirectories in in pwd |
| 14:57.24 | mogra | :) |
| 14:57.36 | cast | in the pwd* |
| 14:57.38 | rubymonk | mirshafie, Good moment to buy one and try to copy your data... |
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| 14:58.14 | winsnomore | wols: I have a menu.lst that I had pclinuxos as well as Suse booting from it ..and at one time mint also .. yes I had to fix the suse entries (for /dev/sdbxxx) but mint and pclinuxos have coexisted for a long time |
| 14:58.20 | mirshafie | rubymonk: acutally i just did :) so do you think if i copy the data it could unlock the permissions trouble? |
| 14:58.28 | mirshafie | btw my fs is clean according to fsck |
| 14:58.51 | rubymonk | mirshafie, Just try to get your data safe, then you can try stuff |
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| 14:59.13 | rubymonk | btw... are you positive your 'ls' command hasn't been modified by anyone ? |
| 14:59.25 | whatever__ | Hi, logrotate isn't rotating syslog and mail.log files I get the error error: unable to open /var/log/syslog.1 for compression |
| 14:59.42 | rubymonk | say... a crappy rootkit or something |
| 15:00.15 | cast | well, find didn't work either, and it was a direct consequence of his failed chmod |
| 15:00.57 | cast | i wouldn't have expected the command to run when you get an argument list too long error, though |
| 15:01.38 | cast | ask in #bash |
| 15:01.49 | rubymonk | At first sight, sounds like a broken FS... |
| 15:01.50 | cast | they might have an idea why ls says ? |
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| 15:02.07 | winsnomore | wols: Actually suse now likes to label disk partitions .. and avoids this h/s discrepancy. I think I understand my problem now .. I was using SUSE kernel and initrd and that had different naming than the debian .. what a mess .. |
| 15:02.08 | mirshafie | rubymonk: i'm not sure how that could have happened, but this is a pretty fresh debian install and i havn't installed anything wierd. howver i did do some things with .bashrc, so i'm trying a few different things there now |
| 15:02.25 | wols_ | !label |
| 15:02.45 | wols_ | winsnomore: debian can use naming by label or uuid too however it doesn't by default, which is a pity |
| 15:02.47 | mirshafie | i'll try in bash |
| 15:02.50 | rubymonk | mirshafie, Well, I hardly can think of a way your bashrc could affect in such manner your system |
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| 15:03.21 | mirshafie | rubymonk: me neither, but it removed the ls tweaks for the time being |
| 15:03.41 | rubymonk | mirshafie, Right, and lemme guess.... problem not solved |
| 15:03.42 | winsnomore | wols: yes I agree .. I hate labels .. .but will have to get used to them to avoid crap like this |
| 15:04.01 | mirshafie | rubymonk: you win a beer! |
| 15:04.28 | rubymonk | mirshafie, I don't know... My first guess would be your FS |
| 15:04.40 | cast | mirshafie: so what FS is it? |
| 15:04.44 | mirshafie | ext3 |
| 15:04.52 | winsnomore | .. I have to go now .. need to reboot to try the fix :-[) |
| 15:04.58 | mirshafie | and i did perform an fsck with the drive unmounted |
| 15:05.13 | cast | and dmesg didn't say anything scary when you remounted it? |
| 15:05.26 | rubymonk | mirshafie, fsck is a good tool, though, it only was written by humans... |
| 15:05.45 | rubymonk | good idea, the dmesg check |
| 15:06.19 | mirshafie | all those files were originally on a 250 GB ide drive, also ext3. i copied them all to a freshly formatted ext3 sata drive, and since it all worked nicely for a few days i reformatted my old drive |
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| 15:07.10 | mirshafie | rubymonk: |
| 15:07.14 | mirshafie | [16:03:26] ~ $ dmesg | grep sdb |
| 15:07.19 | mirshafie | SCSI device sdb: 488397168 512-byte hdwr sectors (250059 MB) |
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| 15:07.31 | mirshafie | sdb: Write Protect is off |
| 15:07.34 | mirshafie | sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 |
| 15:07.38 | mirshafie | SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back |
| 15:07.44 | mirshafie | SCSI device sdb: 488397168 512-byte hdwr sectors (250059 MB) |
| 15:07.46 | mirshafie | sdb: Write Protect is off |
| 15:07.48 | rubymonk | use pastein |
| 15:07.50 | mirshafie | sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 |
| 15:07.51 | mirshafie | SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back |
| 15:07.51 | mirshafie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.51 | mirshafie | sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb |
| 15:07.51 | mirshafie | EXT3 FS on sdb, internal journal |
| 15:07.51 | mirshafie | whops, sorry for the flooding |
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| 15:07.52 | rubymonk | pastebin even |
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| 15:08.11 | rubymonk | use pastebin |
| 15:08.22 | mirshafie | i will :) |
| 15:08.33 | fasta | Is there a feature-complete "contact database system" for personal use? I.e. something that is *designed* for that task only. |
| 15:09.29 | cast | aka an 'address book'? |
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| 15:10.07 | fasta | cast: I think it's a bit more general, as I also would need tags. |
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| 15:10.32 | cahoot | wife |
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| 15:11.12 | fasta | cahoot: ? |
| 15:11.21 | abrotman | cahoot: apt-cache search wife .. no results |
| 15:11.28 | fasta | !wife |
| 15:11.31 | cahoot | already installed |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | not portable! |
| 15:11.53 | cast | and if you uninstall it it takes half your packages with it? :\ |
| 15:11.54 | cahoot | true |
| 15:12.02 | eike | non-free and very expensive! |
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| 15:12.22 | cast | indeed @ non-free. can't share it with your friends |
| 15:12.29 | abrotman | not distributable! |
| 15:12.54 | eike | self-modifying... |
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| 15:13.33 | Bladerunner05 | hello after dist-upgrade I get may errors regarding locale like perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 15:13.45 | eike | still got a pbuilder problem... after (or while?) "Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt", it fails with the messages "E: Couldn't install system due to errors!", "pbuilder: cdebootstrap failed". any hints? |
| 15:14.03 | Bladerunner05 | LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "it_IT.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. |
| 15:14.12 | Bladerunner05 | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") |
| 15:14.17 | cahoot | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:14.52 | rubymonk | Well, it's official... debootstrap + approx pisses me off :( |
| 15:14.54 | wols_ | !tell Bladerunner05 about locales |
| 15:15.08 | rubymonk | I'm just tired of seeing it fail |
| 15:15.22 | abrotman | rubymonk: tried apt-proxy or apt-cacher ? |
| 15:15.27 | rubymonk | I will have to |
| 15:15.34 | rubymonk | unfortunately |
| 15:15.58 | rubymonk | I'll go apt-cacher since I heard about stability issues with apt-proxy |
| 15:16.02 | Bladerunner05 | •cahoot• done but return this error http://www.pastebin.ca/772073 |
| 15:17.29 | wols_ | Bladerunner05: dpkg -l locales |
| 15:18.26 | mirshafie | rubymonk: looks like there's something wrong with either chgrp, chmod or chown; because i tried this with some other files and the same thing happened. so i'll investigate this a bit more |
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| 15:19.30 | rubymonk | mirshafie, Hummm, ok... look for a rootkit |
| 15:19.35 | rubymonk | It might be this |
| 15:19.57 | mirshafie | rubymonk: how would i even find one? will klamav or the likes do it? |
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| 15:20.27 | twiggz | chkrootkit |
| 15:20.29 | twiggz | rkhunter |
| 15:20.55 | mirshafie | twiggz: thanks! |
| 15:20.56 | cast | debsums, too, but not all pkgs have md5 lists :< |
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| 15:22.46 | rubymonk | chkrootkit would have been pretty good before... it would show if your tools have been modified |
| 15:23.00 | rubymonk | mirshafie, What version of debian are you running ? |
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| 15:23.21 | mirshafie | rubymonk: lenny |
| 15:23.43 | cast | hmm |
| 15:23.44 | rubymonk | are your packages up to date ? |
| 15:24.03 | mirshafie | ops, sorry... i ran lenny before, now i run etch |
| 15:24.04 | rubymonk | you could try and compare your 'ls' md5 with someone else... |
| 15:24.17 | mirshafie | yes, i dist-upgraded a few days ago |
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| 15:25.09 | mirshafie | 151c428a7aa0c7131dea5e5f8e7da31a /bin/ls |
| 15:26.46 | mirshafie | rubymonk: http://pastebin.ca/772088 |
| 15:26.59 | rubymonk | Yeah, I got the same md5 |
| 15:27.13 | riot | how do i install an OTF-Font? |
| 15:27.23 | rubymonk | So... sounds more like an FS issue... |
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| 15:28.15 | mogra | !tell riot about fonts |
| 15:28.24 | mirshafie | rubymonk: yea, chkrootkit agrees |
| 15:28.33 | riot | mogra: thanks. |
| 15:28.43 | mogra | riot: ;) |
| 15:28.58 | riot | dpkg really is a smartass, as usual :> |
| 15:28.58 | dpkg | ...but really is already something else... |
| 15:29.05 | moope1 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable); E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 15:29.09 | rubymonk | mirshafie, Try copying your data on an other disk, if it works, you're in luck... |
| 15:29.13 | moope1 | How can I fix this? |
| 15:29.29 | rubymonk | then, do a surface check on your disk... try to format, etc... |
| 15:29.38 | abrotman | moope1: are you root? is something else running that might have it locked? |
| 15:29.48 | moope1 | yes root, the process died |
| 15:30.00 | rubymonk | mirshafie, You could also try to check your memory integrity |
| 15:30.01 | moope1 | I have fixed the problem that made the process die |
| 15:31.20 | moope1 | abrotman: ? |
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| 15:33.11 | wols_ | moope1: you have another package manager already open. synaptic, aptitude, etc |
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| 15:33.49 | riot | mogra: yet, this isn't that much helpful, because no link mentions otf :/ i already have some otf's installed but they seem related to tex |
| 15:33.52 | StFS | Hi... how do I get the apt package management system to completely ignore a package? I had to downgrade the ati driver to get back Xinerama support but now it always tells me to upgrade that package back (which will render my X setup useless since the new ati driver uses xrandr instead of xinerama)? |
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| 15:35.05 | cast | aptitude hold pkg perhaps |
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| 15:35.55 | mogra | riot: did you try dropping the fonts into ~/.fonts? |
| 15:36.34 | riot | mogra: nah, but i found a guide from ubuntu ;) |
| 15:36.46 | mogra | :) |
| 15:36.53 | mogra | hope it works for ya |
| 15:37.06 | riot | mogra: just copy it the font somehere into the fontpath (.fonts seems to suffice) and run fc-cache -f -v :) |
| 15:37.16 | riot | and, yes, it got the font :) |
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| 15:38.04 | mogra | Good to know :) |
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| 15:38.21 | mirshafie | rubymonk: i can copy the data, and the copies are owned by root and so on. but there's still something weird, because even after i change the permissions i can't access the dirs. i havn't been able to play any of the files yet |
| 15:38.31 | mirshafie | rubymonk: how do i check memory integrity |
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| 15:38.57 | riot | gnf. Yet, oowriter doesn't recognize most of my fonts :/ |
| 15:38.59 | rubymonk | mirshafie, There are tools around there... memtest works ok |
| 15:39.01 | cast | compiling the kernel 20 times in a row is a pretty good way |
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| 15:39.28 | mirshafie | right |
| 15:39.44 | rubymonk | mirshafie, copying your files creates the same issue on the other disk ? |
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| 15:39.53 | h3sp4wn | mirshafie: just use memtest86 |
| 15:39.58 | rubymonk | what if you try with an other FS on the new disk ? |
| 15:40.04 | mogra | yea, I was reading that somewhere, they got it installed but OO.o doesn't see it :[ |
| 15:40.43 | solemnwarning | I've got a debian box doing iptables NAT routing between 3 interfaces, a LAN, a DMZ and a cable modem |
| 15:40.49 | rubymonk | ok, apt-cacher wants apache.... I got apt-proxy... |
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| 15:41.13 | rubymonk | It's killing me to waste so much time for something _THAT_ basic |
| 15:41.17 | solemnwarning | LAN/modem to forwarded DMZ ports work fine, but DMZ to the internet IP gets a timeout on any of the forwarded ports |
| 15:41.35 | solemnwarning | The rules seem fine, so I'm not sure what's wrong |
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| 15:42.41 | mirshafie | rubymonk: when i first copy a directory with subdirs and files to a new disk, the files look normal, they are owned by root. first i tinkered with one of the dirs i copied, and it ended exactly as with my old disk, i got ?'s from ls. but i havn't been able to replicate this after that, so i'm not sure if it was chown, chgrp or chmod that caused this. |
| 15:42.46 | doudo | Hello, i found ogg files, i had previous mplayer installed, how should i proceed to enable mplayer to read this kind of video? |
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| 15:43.37 | cast | doudo: the mplayer from debian-multimedia plays, i thought the normal player did too |
| 15:43.39 | mirshafie | rubymonk: however, i'm now trying to do the same thing with a different dir on a new disk, and while the permissions look right, i still cannot access the files, not even as root. |
| 15:44.03 | cast | mirshafie: right about now i'd take out a livecd and try and mount it :) |
| 15:44.25 | mirshafie | cast: i guess i'll have to download one then :) |
| 15:44.26 | rubymonk | I agree with cast's advice |
| 15:44.40 | doudo | cast, thanks for your answer but what mean debian-multimedia, i only have aptitude command and xfce4 |
| 15:44.47 | rubymonk | mirshafie, Get used to the idea you probably will never see your files anymore |
| 15:44.52 | cast | mirshafie: if you have another loonix box you could export it via nbd, but everyone should have a livecd anyway |
| 15:45.01 | doudo | cast, the gmplayer i have does not see ogg files |
| 15:45.03 | mirshafie | rubymonk: i already have :-/ |
| 15:45.14 | mogra | doudo: Debian-Multimedia is a different repo. |
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| 15:45.40 | trentg | Samba/printing question. I can't print via samba until I print a page locally. Anyone know why? |
| 15:45.56 | cast | doudo: but if you run 'mplayer movie.ogg' does it work? |
| 15:45.59 | mirshafie | thanks for your help, cast & rubymonk |
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| 15:46.07 | mogra | !tell doudo about debian-multimedia.etch |
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| 15:46.38 | trentg | I should say, until I print a page on the samba server.. |
| 15:47.32 | StFS | cast: nope... hold doesn't work... it is actually kinda funny that it doesn't really seem to do anything to "hold" a package |
| 15:48.09 | StFS | I'm trying to figure out how pinning works but it doesn't seem to work at all at the moment :( |
| 15:48.13 | cast | hmm, it supresses upgrades of that package, for me at least, i guess in some situations it doesn't |
| 15:49.24 | doudo | cast, mplayer movie.ogg says error openning video_out seems another problem, thanks sorry must leave baby is screamming |
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| 15:50.48 | rubymonk | mirshafie, yw |
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| 16:02.48 | rati | I have added usr but it doesnt create /home/user directory. I have created user from shell. |
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| 16:04.52 | abrotman | did you use adduser or useradd ? |
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| 16:05.13 | rati | I have done useradd |
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| 16:06.44 | abrotman | rati: use adduser |
| 16:07.19 | rati | abrotman, how to add that user with same group? |
| 16:07.47 | abrotman | it has a man page :) |
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| 16:09.36 | mogra | !tell rati about adduser |
| 16:09.38 | mogra | :3 |
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| 16:10.06 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can control the output interface packets are routed through in iptables? |
| 16:10.25 | solemnwarning | Somthing like 'iptables -t nat -A LOCALROUTE -i eth1 -d 10.1.0.0/16 -j ROUTE --oif eth1' would be good |
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| 16:11.07 | solemnwarning | For some stupid reason packets from eth1 don't get routed back to eth1 if they are configured to be forwarded |
| 16:11.22 | abrotman | solemnwarning: #iptables |
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| 16:21.55 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 16:21.56 | dpkg | <RQ> mwilson, i don't care what you think of me as long as you're helpful. |
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| 16:22.50 | kenjy | #nginx |
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| 16:24.12 | fasta | Why do I need to run fsck every 30 mounts and at the same time this isn't required in Windows(or is it just not visible or is my data less safe with Windows or ...)? |
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| 16:24.36 | abrotman | you can tune that .. and windows loses files :) |
| 16:24.45 | SlayerXP | fasta: because tha's the default if you don't set anything else. |
| 16:24.48 | fasta | Yes, I know I can tune that. |
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| 16:25.04 | abrotman | fasta: and not all filesystems do that on linux either |
| 16:25.06 | fasta | But still not running fsck is advertised as being a "bad idea". |
| 16:25.43 | DustyDingo | hi, i use debian stable on x86 and have some problems with alsa |
| 16:25.57 | fasta | abrotman: which one doesn't? |
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| 16:26.29 | fasta | I would like to hear a more elaborate answer on what Windows _is_ doing. |
| 16:26.31 | DustyDingo | i need a /dev/dsp device, so i installed alsa-oss but the device won't show up and there are no coresponding files in /proc/asound |
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| 16:27.39 | abrotman | fasta: you'd ask ##windows about what ntfs does |
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| 16:28.06 | abrotman | fasta: i believe xfs and reiser don't *require* fsck .. but i don't use them enough to really comment .. ZFS might be another to check |
| 16:28.16 | abrotman | DustyDingo: snd-pcm-oss |
| 16:28.41 | wols_ | DustyDingo: lsmod |grep oss |
| 16:28.54 | wols_ | abrotman: xfs doesn't, yes |
| 16:29.05 | kazim59 | Is there a Linux specification document that asks different distributions to adhere to some standards? |
| 16:29.08 | wols_ | zfs is no option it being not linux fs at all |
| 16:29.13 | wols_ | !lsb |
| 16:29.14 | dpkg | [lsb] The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 16:29.22 | DustyDingo | abrotman: there isn't such a package |
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| 16:29.32 | wols_ | DustyDingo: it's a kernel module |
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| 16:29.47 | wols_ | !alsa checklist |
| 16:29.47 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 16:31.01 | kazim59 | wols_: thankyou |
| 16:31.02 | DustyDingo | wols_: ok, snd-pcm-oss wasn't loaded automaticly |
| 16:31.10 | DustyDingo | though it does in current unstable |
| 16:31.15 | kazim59 | how much Debian adheres to LSB compared to other distros? |
| 16:31.35 | helo | we adhere to the LSB |
| 16:31.40 | wols_ | from what I remember, Debian is LSB compliant |
| 16:31.55 | helo | so do some other distros... ask in #distro ;) |
| 16:32.24 | wols_ | however, LSB specifies rpm as package management only which is vey silly for debian. but simply including rpm intot he distro satisfies LSB which is even more silly |
| 16:32.58 | helo | hah, that is kinda silly... |
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| 16:34.44 | DustyDingo | though rpm isn't such bad |
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| 16:35.43 | cast | yeah, if its not you using it it's not so bad ;) |
| 16:36.32 | mogra | deb>rpm |
| 16:37.12 | mogra | and the fact that apt will attempt to auto resolve dependencies... omg, that was such a godsend. *remembers RPM dependancy nightmares and hours looking through RPMFinder* |
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| 16:40.26 | helo | is there any way to determine the size a .tar.gz will occupy once decompressed? |
| 16:41.02 | mogra | isn't that a tar handle? |
| 16:41.49 | helo | i guess gzip would be the tool to use... |
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| 16:43.12 | rmaj | mogra: yeah rpms where very bad.. afair they developed some tools simmilar to apt-get in goals... yellow dog something |
| 16:43.35 | helo | gzip -l file.gz|tail -n 1|awk '{print $2}' |
| 16:43.37 | mogra | yum? |
| 16:43.44 | rmaj | why debian doesnt use ~/etc/ ? ut seems like a nice idea |
| 16:43.46 | rmaj | mogra: yes |
| 16:44.05 | mogra | I agree, but it'd have to be ~/.etc |
| 16:44.24 | et | like ~/.config? ;) |
| 16:44.35 | rmaj | mogra: actually ~/etc/ is better for not advanced user, ie remember to backup stuff... well anytihng is better then hundrets of .foo lying around home |
| 16:44.50 | mogra | again, agreed. |
| 16:44.59 | rmaj | so... who can we petition about that? |
| 16:45.07 | rmaj | some distros use it... afair LPD |
| 16:45.35 | mogra | but I still say ~/.etc and have a good backup manager installed by default that has a check box "config files" |
| 16:46.00 | mogra | etc sounds too much like misc or tmp to let the user see it :3 |
| 16:46.38 | rmaj | mogra: ~/.etc/ and hard link it to ~/config/ |
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| 16:47.08 | mogra | rmaj: now you are talking. |
| 16:47.46 | mogra | !jelly |
| 16:47.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, jelly is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelly |
| 16:48.47 | cast | is there a var one can set to put all of ~/.* into, say, ~/etc/? |
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| 16:49.27 | mogra | there ought to be, $HOMECONFIG, or something |
| 16:49.41 | enouf | omg |
| 16:50.11 | cast | the question would really be how many programs respected it |
| 16:50.59 | rmaj | cast: all programs in PLD I think |
| 16:51.04 | rmaj | it can be patched on |
| 16:51.17 | cast | PLD? |
| 16:51.25 | rmaj | !ggl pld linux |
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| 16:53.37 | helo | a backup program should just back up everything in $HOME |
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| 16:54.08 | cast | s/everything in $HOME/whta you tell it |
| 16:54.17 | ultr | hello |
| 16:54.27 | ultr | I just installed Debian on my new pc: for the first time I have a sata drive. When I shutdown debian I get a warning just before power-off: "DISK MIGHT NOT BE SPUN DOWN PROPERLY. [...]" "For more info, visit http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html". My disk is Samsung 250GB HD250HJ 7200 SATAII 8MB. Should I worry about my drive? :) |
| 16:54.31 | mogra | helo, why would it backup config files if they aren't wanted? |
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| 16:55.13 | helo | mogra: simplicity |
| 16:55.21 | cast | things like ~/.cache/ don't need backing up |
| 16:55.47 | cast | simplicity through huge backup sizes :P |
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| 16:57.29 | mogra | I would say, have ~/Pictures ~/Documents ~/Desktop, etc, and have the user able to select which get backed up. |
| 16:57.31 | helo | if someone checks "backup config" hoping to transfer some settings for a program that are set system-wide in /etc/whatever, they will be sol |
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| 16:58.02 | mogra | *blinks* |
| 16:58.40 | mogra | if someone checks "config" under the folder tree for "home" expecting it to backup system-wide /etc, yea, not only SOL, but Stupid. |
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| 16:59.47 | helo | most users who would need a ~/config for usability won't know what settings are in /etc/ vs $HOME |
| 17:00.28 | mogra | ~/config is only a storage place for things like .purple, .mozilla... |
| 17:00.29 | apt | mogra: okay |
| 17:00.50 | helo | .mozilla has a Cache in it too, gotta watch out for that! |
| 17:01.11 | cast | i crank the cache up high |
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| 17:01.43 | mogra | helo, .mozilla as in ~/.mozilla, silly. |
| 17:01.45 | cast | damn, this one cache dir is 438 mb |
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| 17:03.17 | mogra | which contains things like user's plugin list, etc |
| 17:05.05 | mogra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.37 | helo | *splat* thrown in and hidden from those who should avoid them |
| 17:06.26 | FasterPutty | how do i format a partition on debian? |
| 17:06.29 | FasterPutty | for example sda1 |
| 17:06.31 | FasterPutty | wanna format it |
| 17:06.41 | xand | mkfs |
| 17:06.44 | cast | mkfs.<TAB> /dev/sda1 |
| 17:06.48 | helo | i don't see the effort required to change decades-old config file conventions really making the system that much more friendly |
| 17:07.12 | abrotman | DustyDingo: it's a module |
| 17:07.13 | FasterPutty | can i format a fat32 on unix? |
| 17:07.14 | FasterPutty | lol |
| 17:08.02 | streuner | lol, of course, lol |
| 17:08.04 | cast | dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 17:08.07 | mogra | FasterPutty: yes, with dosfstools |
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| 17:09.11 | mogra | helo: so, you are saying, if you want user's homes backed up, just backup $HOME, including the .cache? |
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| 17:10.05 | moope1 | Just changed my root mysql password by force (It got changed during a restore) now getting error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
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| 17:10.58 | stew_ | moope1: you need to make sure the password for debian-sys-maint matches the password listed in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 17:11.32 | moope1 | stew_: okay, everything seems weirdly borked :( |
| 17:11.54 | anunah | Does anybody use OpenBox WM? |
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| 17:12.31 | cast | i use tar --exclude-caches and CACHEDIR.TAGs personally :) |
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| 17:12.35 | Blackhold | hello |
| 17:12.41 | mogra | allo |
| 17:13.09 | Blackhold | I would to configure my system to receive system mails to root user and then read them using mutt |
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| 17:14.02 | Blackhold | do I need exim to do that? |
| 17:14.11 | Blackhold | or some mail server? |
| 17:14.17 | helo | mogra: if you backup ~/config/, you're invariably going to get a bunch of program's caches (xmms, amarok, mozilla, etc) unless you rewrite how all of those programs use their config dir |
| 17:14.29 | Blackhold | or system sends it directly to /var/spool/mail user's forlder? |
| 17:14.32 | smagy2 | hello folks, how does one remove stale entries from nfs server's mount table ? i tried restarting nfs-kernel-server and running exportfs -rv . but of no help |
| 17:14.36 | smagy2 | would appreciate some hel |
| 17:14.40 | smagy2 | **help |
| 17:15.21 | dcnoye | is there a way to change how many entries there are in history ? |
| 17:15.39 | kazim59 | is debian purist-friendly? |
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| 17:16.02 | helo | yes, possibly the most purist-friendly (if you mean free software zealot friendly) |
| 17:16.03 | mogra | Debian is independant of religion |
| 17:16.08 | cast | dcnoye: sure is |
| 17:16.28 | dcnoye | ok, how is that done ? |
| 17:16.33 | cast | export HISTSIZE=5000 |
| 17:16.34 | wols_ | mogra: debian is its own religion |
| 17:16.40 | Zippy2 | what are deb and ian? |
| 17:16.43 | stew_ | kazim59: yes. http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 17:16.43 | dcnoye | cast: you rock |
| 17:16.43 | mogra | :) |
| 17:16.47 | wols_ | Zippy2: prophets |
| 17:16.52 | helo | Zippy2: syllables |
| 17:17.06 | Zippy2 | jehovas witnesses? |
| 17:17.08 | helo | hmmm... maybe not heh |
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| 17:19.29 | moope1 | How do I reset the mysql root password in debian, I think its slightly different for debian :/ |
| 17:19.54 | stew_ | !forgot mysql root password |
| 17:19.55 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 17:20.42 | helo | is there no "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server" or whatnot? |
| 17:20.42 | mbroeker | :) |
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| 17:22.08 | masus | hi all have problems to reset my root password in single user mode can anybody give me a tip howto change it. i have add the word single to the kernel line ... but i can't login in to my box |
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| 17:24.26 | mbroeker | masus, as a last chance: boot from a live cd, change your password ON THE LIVE CD; mount your rootfs to somewhere and copy the root:root string from your livecds shadow/passwd file to your local filesystem |
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| 17:24.58 | cast | better to chroot and run passwd don't you think |
| 17:25.15 | mbroeker | cast, well thats the better way. you are right |
| 17:25.21 | masus | howto chroot ? cant login |
| 17:25.33 | masus | only livecd ? |
| 17:25.42 | masus | is ther no other way :/ |
| 17:25.45 | mbroeker | masus, boot from a live cd and reset your passwd into the chroot |
| 17:26.15 | mbroeker | masus, try kernel bla init=/bin/bash |
| 17:26.47 | mbroeker | but i think your security policy will ask you again for the pwd |
| 17:28.05 | mogra | livecd is usually the best way there. |
| 17:28.17 | mogra | or a Toms Floppy |
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| 17:28.59 | et | init=/bin/bash is the first thing i try |
| 17:29.05 | masus | ok i'll try |
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| 17:30.20 | franzn | anyone could help me with LTSP? |
| 17:30.33 | masus | ro init=/bin/bash single or | ro init=/bin/bash |
| 17:30.53 | et | why "ro"? |
| 17:30.58 | vovo | Get:9 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main evolution-common 2.10.3-1 [35.6MB] |
| 17:30.58 | vovo | Get:10 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main evolution-common 2.10.3-1 [35.6MB] <== Why is it downloading the same package twice? |
| 17:31.00 | mbroeker | doesn't matter |
| 17:31.08 | masus | "/boot/wmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro single |
| 17:31.09 | masus | " |
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| 17:31.27 | masus | ok |
| 17:31.55 | mbroeker | just replace single with init=/bin/bash or init=/bin/sh |
| 17:32.06 | vovo | mbroeker: why doesn't matter? it is unnecessarily wasting time. |
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| 17:32.08 | masus | ok thanks i'll try one mom |
| 17:32.32 | mbroeker | vovo, my statement belongs to the ro-or-not question:) |
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| 17:32.38 | titanix88 | how large is a debian dvd? |
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| 17:32.48 | trentg | Does anyone know why I can't print via samba until I print a page locally on the server? |
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| 17:33.05 | marcus_ | hello people, I got problem when trying to install closed nvidia drivers. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-da25e4acfc1b456e21717d2178b938ba4306e9cd I followed this guide and installed nvidia-kernel-common but when trying to build the kernel module with m-a a-i nvidia it claims that there is no source. I couln't find the nvidia-kernel-source in my repos (I have non-free and contrib) so I downloaded the sid package from teh w |
| 17:33.19 | titanix88 | i mean image file size.:) |
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| 17:33.50 | et | marcus_: etch? |
| 17:33.51 | moope1 | stew_ that does not seem to b working :( |
| 17:34.03 | Yggdrasil | hello is there a cli user managment tool ? i jsut want to list all the users that have accoutns on a box |
| 17:34.32 | wols_ | Yggdrasil: getent |
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| 17:34.41 | stew_ | moope1: can you login to mysql with the username / password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf from the command line? |
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| 17:34.49 | marcus_ | et: cat /etc/issue: Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid |
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| 17:35.13 | twobitsprite | I know of this program which you can start the server one on end, and a client on the other and it will test the connection speed... but I forget what its called. Any ideas? |
| 17:35.26 | Yggdrasil | wolz_ getent /etc/passwd ? |
| 17:35.30 | jelly | rmaj: sorry, I'm busy. |
| 17:35.33 | stew_ | Yggdrasil: getent passwd |
| 17:35.39 | et | there's no nvidia-glx in lenny, is there? also, your line was truncated at "so I downloaded the sid package from teh w" |
| 17:35.48 | wols_ | et: there is |
| 17:35.49 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 17:36.01 | wols_ | oops. you're right. right now there isn't |
| 17:36.29 | ekimus_ | twobitsprite: netcat -vv? |
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| 17:36.57 | wols_ | marcus_: get nvidia-graphics-driver from sid and build the packages from that |
| 17:37.22 | marcus_ | wols, I got that one, but I never got nvidia-glx, maybe that's the problem? |
| 17:37.33 | jelly | twobitsprite: iperf? |
| 17:37.40 | ginoman | hey, has anyone else had problems with the bootup not commencing unless you repeatedly press random keys |
| 17:38.11 | jelly | ginoman: is it a laptop? |
| 17:38.18 | ginoman | ya |
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| 17:38.42 | jelly | ginoman: does it help if you just hold one key, eg. shift the whole time? |
| 17:38.51 | Zippy2 | when i use wodim to burn a dvd why does it start 2x, then 4x, then 8x? why not start 8x? |
| 17:38.57 | ginoman | I don't know.... I just tapped control and alt repeatedly |
| 17:39.05 | mbroeker | marcus_, if you cannot find the proper files in the debian repos, you will try the nvidia-installer. |
| 17:39.11 | jelly | ginoman: I've seen that happen on my thinkpad after a resume, but not on first boot |
| 17:39.20 | kingsob | im tyring to install a package, and its asking me to insert the debian cd, the problem is the server is at a remote locaion, so i have no way of doing this.. is there a way to make it download the required files from a ftp site somewhere? |
| 17:39.21 | ginoman | interesting..... |
| 17:39.35 | ginoman | why does it do that |
| 17:39.51 | Ronin | !tell kingsob about sources.list |
| 17:39.52 | marcus_ | mbroeker, I don't really understand if I'm using lenny or sid :S ? |
| 17:40.15 | jelly | ginoman: I have no idea. interrupt / acpi / tickless kernel problems? |
| 17:40.19 | wols_ | marcus_: if you got nvidia-graphics driver then your got nvidia-glx |
| 17:40.26 | jchlg | marcus_, ess :o cat /etc/apt/sources.lists | grep -i lenny |
| 17:40.29 | wols_ | nvidia-graphics-driver is a source package |
| 17:40.30 | ginoman | well it didn't do it on 2.6.18.... it only did that when I upgraded to 2.6.22 |
| 17:40.40 | jchlg | marcus_, ess :o cat /etc/apt/sources.lists | grep -i sid |
| 17:40.44 | jelly | ginoman: right. It started for me with 2.6.21 |
| 17:40.49 | mbroeker | marcus_, you can get the nvidia driver either with debian tools or with the nvidia installer from the nvidia webpage. |
| 17:40.54 | ginoman | hmmm |
| 17:40.56 | wols_ | kingsob: fix your sources.list on that server |
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| 17:41.02 | ginoman | a kernel bug? |
| 17:41.09 | kingsob | i see lost of things in sources.list |
| 17:41.13 | wols_ | mbroeker: please do not tell people to use the nvidia installer |
| 17:41.13 | kingsob | but still asks for cd |
| 17:41.25 | mbroeker | wols_, ok |
| 17:41.30 | wols_ | kingsob: remove the cdrom lines in your sources.list |
| 17:41.30 | marcus_ | it says lenny/sid, I got testing in my repos, I thought that was just a symlink to the stage the release comes to after unsatble? |
| 17:41.37 | jchlg | kingsob, put an # infront of your deb cdrom |
| 17:41.42 | wols_ | !tell marcus_ about releases |
| 17:41.45 | jelly | ginoman: grep NO_HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:41.47 | jchlg | kingsob, in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:42.09 | ginoman | and then issue "sudo apt-get update" kingsob |
| 17:42.13 | wols_ | kingsob: after you do this, update |
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| 17:42.41 | kingsob | thanks! |
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| 17:42.47 | kingsob | getting rid of the cerom line works |
| 17:42.49 | kingsob | cdrom |
| 17:42.53 | marcus_ | ok, thanks guys |
| 17:43.32 | RvGaTe | got an old laptop, from wich the screen is not fixable... completely blank... all the rest works perfect... any idea what i can do with this piece of hardware? i was thinking about a mobile server... for lanparties etc... any other ideas? |
| 17:43.34 | ginoman | = y |
| 17:43.43 | jelly | ginoman: I'm not sure if it's acpi/irq problems, kernel bug, or a combination thereof. But at least you know you're not alone. If you have CONFIG_NO_HZ=y, try building a kernel with that option disabled. |
| 17:44.10 | Zippy2 | no_hz saves power |
| 17:44.15 | ginoman | what's no_hz=y in the menuconfig |
| 17:44.34 | jelly | ginoman: do a search (press /), type NO_HZ |
| 17:44.38 | wols_ | ginoman: do you have a custom kernel or a debian kernel? |
| 17:44.41 | jelly | ginoman: in menuconfig. |
| 17:44.42 | ginoman | debian |
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| 17:45.28 | smagy2 | hello folks, how can i efficiently remove stale mount points from an nfs server, can i just stop the nfs-kernel-server daemon and delete the contents /var/lib/nfs/rmtab would that just work ? |
| 17:45.29 | ginoman | I wanted to compile a custom kernel but I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the options |
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| 17:45.32 | jelly | Zippy2: between saving power and exposing a bug that makes the machine unbootable, the choice is clear |
| 17:45.33 | wols_ | ginoman: why can't you use 2.6.18? |
| 17:45.42 | ginoman | sound drivers |
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| 17:45.48 | ginoman | and instabiliities |
| 17:45.50 | wols_ | jelly: why do you tell him to compile a custom kernel? |
| 17:45.54 | jchlg | ginoman, thats how you can learn |
| 17:46.03 | jelly | wols_: read above. |
| 17:46.10 | jchlg | jelly, :p |
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| 17:46.55 | jelly | wols_: he is seeing a bug caused (or at least exposed) by a config setting present in Debian's kernel. |
| 17:46.59 | jchlg | i agree that first point of view, recompiling a kernel with debian is ridiculous, cos of working mainly with deb module kernel |
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| 17:47.22 | jchlg | jelly, a bug in unstable deb so |
| 17:47.28 | Haris | !interfaces |
| 17:47.29 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 17:47.38 | masus | mbroeker do i have to mount anything after init=/bin/sh |
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| 17:48.20 | jelly | jchlg: or backports. Well, the only way to confirm the bug is related to NO_HZ is to change the setting. |
| 17:48.26 | mbroeker | masus, no, the tool "passwd" is in /bin/ and if /bin is on your rootfs / , use it to reset the root pwd |
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| 17:48.53 | mbroeker | masus, but i think its wise to "mount -o remount,rw" first |
| 17:49.04 | mbroeker | masus, but i think its wise to "mount -o remount,rw /" first |
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| 17:49.43 | jelly | ginoman: which brand and model, btw? |
| 17:49.51 | ginoman | laptop? |
| 17:49.54 | jelly | yeah |
| 17:50.04 | ginoman | Acer aspire 5100 |
| 17:50.14 | ginoman | AMD 64 |
| 17:50.27 | ginoman | with an ATI graphics and motherboard chipset |
| 17:50.55 | mbroeker | masus, sorry, passwd is in /usr/bin/ you need to mount your /usr partition... |
| 17:51.01 | masus | hmm |
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| 17:51.41 | masus | how to mount :S |
| 17:52.04 | ginoman | mount /dev/usrpart /usr |
| 17:52.14 | masus | ok |
| 17:52.26 | ginoman | usrpart is the device in /dev |
| 17:52.41 | jelly | ginoman: oh well. Mine's completely different. |
| 17:52.50 | ginoman | that's ok |
| 17:52.59 | mbroeker | masus, enter mount /usr at the prompt. should work |
| 17:53.06 | ginoman | I need an external mouse.... this touchpad is flipping annoying |
| 17:53.27 | jelly | still, that option makes the machine unstable and should probably be removed from a conservative distro kernel |
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| 17:54.11 | stew_ | jelly: which option? |
| 17:54.18 | jelly | stew: NO_HZ |
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| 17:54.27 | stew_ | ginoman: are you running a 32 bit os or a 64 bit os? |
| 17:54.30 | masus | mbroeker . thanks so much |
| 17:54.32 | masus | perfect |
| 17:54.33 | ginoman | did I just help someone on IRC? wow... i'm proud of myself.... 32 |
| 17:54.37 | stew_ | ginoman: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:55.05 | stew_ | ginoman: err, i mean 32 bit kernel or a 64 bit kernel |
| 17:55.06 | ginoman | 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 17:55.07 | jelly | stew: it's enabled in 2.6.22 686 and probably more |
| 17:55.14 | ginoman | 32 bit kernel |
| 17:55.20 | ginoman | i686 |
| 17:55.38 | stew_ | jelly: ok. i just saw amd64 and was going to say that it doesn't exist in amd64 yet |
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| 17:56.35 | ginoman | yeah, the hardware is AMD64 but when I used the kernel... it sortof worked, it crashed often, and there were numerous other problems with it |
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| 17:56.53 | jelly | stew: yup. Haven't taken a look lately, but amd64 support was completely integrated in .23 either AFAIR |
| 17:56.58 | ginoman | so I backed up /home/ and reinstalled |
| 17:57.12 | jelly | wasn't* |
| 17:57.13 | ginoman | using etch i386 |
| 17:57.21 | stew_ | jelly: no, it wassn't. word is that it will happen when amd64 and i386 codebases are merged |
| 17:57.29 | stew_ | jelly: which might happen for 2.6.24 |
| 17:57.29 | ginoman | and then did an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to g |
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| 17:57.33 | ginoman | to testing* |
| 17:57.38 | ginoman | DAMN TOUCHPAD |
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| 17:58.05 | mogra | you didn't touch the pad the right way... nice and soft, ginoman |
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| 17:58.35 | ginoman | no, it was the touchpad senses my palm nearby and sometimes the cursor reacts and deletes text I'm typing or will change the cursor position suddenly |
| 17:58.36 | jelly | stew: I hoped they wouldn't go that route (i386+amd64 merge) |
| 17:58.37 | smagy2 | hello folks, how can i efficiently remove stale mount points from an nfs server, can i just stop the nfs-kernel-server daemon and delete the contents /var/lib/nfs/rmtab would that just work ? |
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| 17:59.16 | stew_ | jelly: its at least the answer i got from #kernel-newbies when asking about when NO_HZ would be in amd64 |
| 17:59.24 | jelly | ginoman: this is one of the reasons trackpoints rule :-) |
| 17:59.45 | stew_ | this is one of the reasons that my touchpad is configured to only scroll, no clicks or mouse movement |
| 18:00.38 | jelly | stew_: but you probably need some other mouse moving device |
| 18:02.05 | stew_ | jelly: yes, my laptop also has a touchpoint |
| 18:03.04 | Supaplex | ~lart ginoman's touchpad |
| 18:03.04 | apt | stuffs ginoman's touchpad into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
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| 18:07.23 | FastPutty | is there a way to make a quick format on debian with mkfs? does it do it? |
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| 18:07.26 | FastPutty | or something else |
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| 18:09.06 | streuner | hm |
| 18:09.24 | streuner | FastPutty: we told you before |
| 18:09.57 | streuner | !info dosfstools |
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| 18:10.23 | FastPutty | streuner: no in unix format |
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| 18:10.33 | FastPutty | ext3 for example but i wanna know if there a way to do q cuik one |
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| 18:10.43 | FastPutty | mkfs take to much time with a 500gb |
| 18:10.57 | FastPutty | !info mkfs |
| 18:11.20 | SpeedyG | hey, i'm totally new at wireless stuff in *nix, and I wonder, I just installed ipw3945-modules for my kernel, but, how to use/activate it ? |
| 18:11.37 | SpeedyG | does it need a reboot ? |
| 18:11.37 | ladydoor | Hi...can someone recommend a program (pref. terminal-based) which can determine what processes are using the most RAM? I ask because the computer's running a little slow and free shows little RAM left, but top isn't showing anything consuming near the amount that's taken up. |
| 18:11.48 | dpkg | dosfstools: (Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT filesystems), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.11-2.3 (sid), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 18:12.02 | mark__ | ladydoor: I'd use top |
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| 18:12.10 | FastPutty | aydoor i dont have internet andi dont have dosfstools installed |
| 18:12.22 | abrotman | ladydoor: you have to sort by memory usage |
| 18:12.31 | ladydoor | mark__: As I said, top isn't showing anything consuming near the amount that's taken up. Thanks, though. |
| 18:12.34 | FastPutty | streuner |
| 18:12.51 | mbroeker | ladydoor, enter free -m and look at the -/+ buffers/cache: 207 296 line |
| 18:12.54 | mark__ | ladydoor: Sorry, just got from work, and jumped right in |
| 18:13.04 | helo | where in the initscripts is the best place to put 'echo "" > /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules' so that the network card mappings will be wiped out before the network modules are loaded? |
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| 18:13.15 | ladydoor | mark__: Fair enough :-) |
| 18:13.16 | mbroeker | in my example i have 296 mb "free" |
| 18:13.19 | abrotman | !z25 |
| 18:13.19 | dpkg | well, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. |
| 18:13.30 | ladydoor | mbroeker: 'K... |
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| 18:14.12 | ladydoor | mbroeker: I've about that much free as well, but only 8M of free ram. |
| 18:14.16 | mbroeker | ladydoor, your ram is always full, its a technique called precatching or prefetching whatever |
| 18:14.23 | dryrot | has anyone gotten otr-proxy to compile or work in etch ? |
| 18:14.26 | mbroeker | precaching |
| 18:14.29 | helo | ahh, cheers abrotman |
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| 18:15.00 | ladydoor | mbroeker: Aha. I guess something else is causing it to hang a bit then. *Sigh* |
| 18:15.10 | escay | hello, is anyone of you using yaps for sending sms? |
| 18:16.45 | ginoman | yeah, touchpoints rule.... but that's what happens when you get a laptop for christmas and your windows fanboy brother picks out the specs |
| 18:17.43 | Zippy2 | i dont like touchpoints. this logitech wireless mouse is awesome |
| 18:17.47 | escay | cast: i´ve never used jabber before, is it easy to handle? |
| 18:17.47 | mot_ | question |
| 18:17.52 | mot_ | my networking on this debian box works great |
| 18:17.54 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 18:17.54 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 18:18.00 | mot_ | but it keeps disconnecting me |
| 18:18.03 | xand | hmm, debian installer can't find the CD drive it's running from! :( |
| 18:18.03 | mot_ | that is, i have a static ip |
| 18:18.15 | mot_ | i'll be working on this box all day, then come back the next day and none of my other virtual hosts are down |
| 18:18.15 | cast | escay: it's an instant messaging network |
| 18:18.17 | abrotman | xand: sata or usb? |
| 18:18.17 | Zippy2 | question. why does network-manager suck so much |
| 18:18.21 | xand | abrotman: sata |
| 18:18.26 | mot_ | but this one since debian host will need to go through ifup eth1 again |
| 18:18.28 | cast | escay: as easy as any other IM network, me feels |
| 18:18.30 | mot_ | any ideas why it's dropping? |
| 18:18.36 | Zippy2 | mot_: wireless? |
| 18:18.42 | Zippy2 | mot_: dhcp? |
| 18:18.43 | abrotman | xand: maybe it's remapping it to another device? |
| 18:18.55 | mot_ | static wired |
| 18:19.03 | mot_ | i have a bunch of virtual hosts |
| 18:19.08 | mot_ | (a dozen or so) several of which are debain |
| 18:19.10 | Zippy2 | mot_: apt-get remove --purge network-manager and do it through /etc/network/interfacwes |
| 18:19.11 | mot_ | debian* |
| 18:19.12 | ginoman | Zippy2: oo oo I know!! |
| 18:19.14 | ginoman | I know! |
| 18:19.16 | Zippy2 | i hate network-manager. it does that to me |
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| 18:19.20 | escay | cast: ok, how does sending sms with work? is it as easy as sending an usual IM? |
| 18:19.20 | xand | abrotman: hmm how can i tell? |
| 18:19.22 | mot_ | Zippy2, i'm not using network manager |
| 18:19.23 | FastPutty | ok really no one know how to format in quick mode a sdc1 for example? |
| 18:19.28 | abrotman | xand: maybe dmesg? |
| 18:19.29 | Zippy2 | mot_: check logs |
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| 18:19.31 | mot_ | i don't even have x installed on this box. it's purely for research |
| 18:19.33 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm trying to get my wlan adapter working under debian, but somehow it wont work. it's an intel 3945, ipw3945 is installed but it doesnt work |
| 18:19.40 | mot_ | and i am doing it right through /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:19.50 | Zippy2 | mot_: is someone steal your ip? |
| 18:19.54 | Zippy2 | stealing |
| 18:20.06 | cast | escay: i think so, you have an sms gateway, and me thinks you message a special uid and it goes to that number but i am not sure |
| 18:20.09 | Zippy2 | i dont know how its 'down' |
| 18:20.10 | mot_ | Zippy2, not possible, i'm behind 2 layers of NAT. |
| 18:20.21 | Zippy2 | is the link down? |
| 18:20.25 | Zippy2 | unreachable from the outside? |
| 18:20.29 | xand | dmesg doesn't mention any dvd or cd drives |
| 18:20.30 | xand | gr |
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| 18:20.37 | mot_ | it's reachable, it just goes down sporadically |
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| 18:20.45 | escay | cast: thx so far - i´ll go and read about jabber + sms ;-) |
| 18:20.46 | mot_ | we have an assigned blocked of IPs and this one isn't typically in use |
| 18:20.46 | escay | cu |
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| 18:20.50 | ginoman | I know why networkmanager sucks |
| 18:21.02 | Zippy2 | why |
| 18:21.04 | Zippy2 | it uses hal? |
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| 18:21.16 | mot_ | i'll reboot and we'll see what happens |
| 18:21.19 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:21.34 | Zippy2 | hi |
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| 18:22.14 | petterah | hello, im about to setup my webdev server, mysql apache subversion, but should i split out /var on its own partition, or should i split out /var/lib/mysql, and /var/lib/www ? |
| 18:22.54 | ginoman | actually... I'd better not say |
| 18:22.55 | mbroeker | ladydoor, you can free up something by starting a big bang opengl computer game. after you quit, your mem is a few minutes really free... but only a few minutes... |
| 18:23.03 | xand | !d-i |
| 18:23.03 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:23.11 | SpeedyG | anybody who can help me with this problem??? |
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| 18:23.21 | ladydoor | mbroeker: Haha...fair enough. I don't have any though, and I think I found the problem, but thanks anyway. |
| 18:23.26 | ginoman | I'll refrain from saying because all that will do is cause problems |
| 18:23.37 | Zippy2 | ginoman: its made for noobs |
| 18:23.38 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 18:23.49 | ginoman | that's the neutral way of saying it |
| 18:23.58 | ginoman | but yeah |
| 18:24.00 | ginoman | that's the reason |
| 18:24.15 | Zippy2 | thought so |
| 18:24.21 | Zippy2 | the wireless thing is nice though, too bad the whole thing is a pita |
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| 18:24.51 | ginoman | yes.... wonderful wi-fi device manufacturers |
| 18:24.56 | ladydoor | mbroeker: As long as I can compile this LaTeX output for my paper periodically to make sure it looks okay, everything will be fine :-) |
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| 18:25.40 | Bladerunner05 | how can I read a core dump file ? wich is the command ? |
| 18:25.44 | xand | abrotman: I don't think it's doing anything with it, there's no disk-like devices in /dev |
| 18:26.13 | cast | Bladerunner05: sure, why not, vim -b :D |
| 18:26.31 | stew_ | Bladerunner05: gdb program /path/to/corefile |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | xand: no scd or anything like that? |
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| 18:26.50 | abrotman | xand: it's possible that the version of the installer doesn't have a driver for your sata controller ? |
| 18:27.01 | xand | yes it is possible and probably likely |
| 18:27.04 | xand | it's a new motherboard |
| 18:27.09 | abrotman | did you try a kmuto? |
| 18:27.14 | xand | a what? |
| 18:27.17 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 18:27.17 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:27.51 | xand | oh |
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| 18:28.07 | xand | actually i'd rather try lenny if there's a netinst for that |
| 18:28.21 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 18:28.21 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:28.27 | abrotman | third url |
| 18:28.50 | anabain | how can I get fsck.vfat? It seems it doesn't exist in my sid... |
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| 18:29.06 | abrotman | !find fsck.vfat sid |
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| 18:29.11 | dryrot | anabain: i think you need msdos tools ? |
| 18:29.15 | Zippy2 | mkdosfs -F32 /dev/whatever |
| 18:29.29 | Zippy2 | F32=fat32 |
| 18:29.40 | abrotman | fsck is not mkfs |
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| 18:29.42 | anabain | I want to check or repair a pen USB |
| 18:29.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fsck.vfat' (1): (/sbin/fsck.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
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| 18:29.47 | abrotman | anabain: ^^ |
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| 18:31.53 | mogra | dosfstools |
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| 18:36.52 | xand | abrotman: <troll> if a 6 year old XP installer works with no extra drivers, why can't etch! </troll> |
| 18:37.07 | abrotman | legacy mode? |
| 18:37.48 | mogra | xand: but, a 6 year old XP installer doesn't work with no extra drivers in 9/10 of the installs I do on my freelance house tech job. |
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| 18:38.19 | xand | mogra: yeah well, it does on this motherboard, at least to install :P |
| 18:39.00 | mogra | oh, just to install? You didn't mean to work? xD |
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| 18:40.24 | cast | xp install cd no worky on this box, due to large or perhaps sata, hard drives |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | more likely sata .. |
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| 18:43.23 | xand | oh, the lenny netinst has a windows installer :o |
| 18:43.43 | ginoman | ya |
| 18:43.49 | xand | I aint using that |
| 18:44.24 | cast | etch has an xwindows install too dunnit? |
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| 18:45.01 | xand | yay it worketh |
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| 18:45.06 | xand | cast: xwindows? |
| 18:45.19 | Zippy2 | x.org |
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| 18:45.36 | xand | it''s not called xwindows :P and I mean MS Windows |
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| 18:45.56 | mogra | is there a generally painless method of updating libc6 on stable? |
| 18:46.07 | cast | i don't understand, how is it that the netinst has a ms windows installer |
| 18:46.36 | idwer_ | is there any one wit experience in making a (custom) debian livecd ? |
| 18:46.39 | mogra | perhaps it installs XP via the net? |
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| 18:46.45 | \amethyst | idwer_: a bit |
| 18:46.51 | idwer_ | \amethyst: E: lh_chroot_devpts missing |
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| 18:47.30 | idwer_ | mount: devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 18:47.45 | \amethyst | idwer_: do you have /usr/bin/lh_chroot_devpts ? |
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| 18:48.11 | idwer_ | localhost:~/debian_sid_linuxbios_flashrom_superiotool_livecd# which lh_chroot_devpts |
| 18:48.11 | idwer_ | /usr/bin/lh_chroot_devpts |
| 18:48.29 | anabain | ok, I made mkdosfs -F32 /dev/xx and now I can't mount it: mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock any ideas? |
| 18:48.40 | xand | cast: insert CD in windows, it runs an installer program |
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| 18:48.57 | \amethyst | idwer_: hm.. it's not immediately clear where the error is coming from |
| 18:49.15 | cast | ohhhhhhh. i get it :) |
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| 18:49.30 | idwer_ | \amethyst: bbl, food |
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| 18:49.43 | \amethyst | idwer_: what step of the process gave you that error? |
| 18:49.55 | mogra | does XP even allow that level of hardware control required for that? o.O |
| 18:50.10 | idwer_ | \amethyst: |
| 18:50.10 | idwer_ | P: Begin mounting /dev/pts... |
| 18:50.10 | idwer_ | E: lh_chroot_devpts missing |
| 18:50.45 | \amethyst | idwer_: this is when you're doing lh_chroot ? |
| 18:51.51 | capiira | hmm is there a reason why debian just release compiz without -fusion ? |
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| 18:53.36 | Daejeo | can I run any streaming media server on CENTOS? I want to stream videos |
| 18:53.50 | up365 | capiira, it is compiz-fusion, in etch you don't have ccsm, just gconf-editor, in testing ccsm works afaik |
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| 18:54.29 | capiira | i have testing just did not install it because i saw no -fusion in the repo |
| 18:55.01 | capiira | package is called ccsm ? |
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| 18:55.47 | up365 | capiira, shame's repo, yes the manager is ccsm also gives you fusion icon |
| 18:56.00 | capiira | ah ok but is not official |
| 18:56.27 | capiira | i won't to destroy my system with third party repositories :d |
| 18:56.29 | capiira | :D |
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| 18:56.51 | fedya | how can i change the resolution? |
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| 18:57.01 | up365 | capiira, in debian that's all we got, you could try it on another HD |
| 18:57.07 | xand | ok, another stupid question... why isn't eth0's link up when debian installer loads, and thus dhcp not working? |
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| 18:57.11 | Th3On3 | hello |
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| 18:57.45 | xand | as in, r8169: eth0: link down <-- erm, no it's not |
| 18:58.00 | anabain | I made mkdosfs -F32 /dev/xx on a pendrive usb and now I can't mount it: mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock any ideas? |
| 18:58.03 | xand | (well, the LEDs aren't on, but that's because it seems to have disabled the connection :S) |
| 18:58.14 | capiira | yeah and i wonder why there is no official -fusion in sid or testing i mean if there is a reason |
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| 18:58.29 | capiira | debian keep updating compiz but without fusion |
| 18:58.39 | Th3On3 | i dist upgraded today a production server |
| 18:58.59 | up365 | fedya, Desktop-Preferences-Screen Resolution |
| 18:59.07 | capiira | compiz 0.6.3 is going to join but without the -fusion |
| 18:59.15 | Th3On3 | its on oldstable and there is something wrong with perl5.8.4 deb packages |
| 18:59.36 | pettern | what is the difference between regular and single user when i boot debian? i would guess i was locked to one user, but i can still run apps as different users |
| 19:00.18 | Maulkin | In single user mode, various services aren't started. It's a bit like 'safe mode' |
| 19:00.22 | mogra | single user mode is more of a "recovery" runlevel |
| 19:00.23 | Th3On3 | instaled amd64 pakages when the system is on a i386 arquictecture (dual cpu) |
| 19:00.31 | Th3On3 | sarge6 |
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| 19:01.15 | fedya | i did that but the only thing available is 640x480 |
| 19:01.21 | dalias | pettern, don't use singleuser mode except when you're trying to recover a multiuser system from major damage. |
| 19:01.29 | dalias | it's to keep users out while you repair things as root |
| 19:01.32 | dalias | no other purpose |
| 19:01.43 | up365 | fedya, what video card ? |
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| 19:02.04 | pettern | okay, thanks |
| 19:02.05 | mogra | isn't it dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver? |
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| 19:04.30 | fedya | up365: i have no clue, whatever came in the computer, its a dell e510 |
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| 19:05.26 | fedya | integrated, i believe its a intel chipset |
| 19:06.32 | mogra | probably i910 or i810 then |
| 19:07.21 | mogra | fedya, what is output of 'lspci|grep VGA' |
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| 19:07.36 | moope1 | Where is DirectoryIndex set in debian? |
| 19:07.42 | moope1 | I cant find it anywhere :( |
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| 19:08.05 | Maulkin | moope1: what for? |
| 19:08.12 | moope1 | sorry, apache2 |
| 19:08.21 | Maulkin | Tried in /etc/apache2/ ? |
| 19:08.22 | Doat | I have to move my /boot partition but since ext3 can't be moved I created a new ext3 partition of the same size to another location. Would it break my debian if I copied the whole /boot partition to the new ext3 partition and changed the new ext3 partition to /boot in /etc/fstab? |
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| 19:08.50 | moope1 | Maulkin: ya, I remember having it in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
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| 19:09.19 | Maulkin | moope1: try /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 19:09.22 | techbie | !tell moope1 about apache2 |
| 19:09.22 | xand | grrr, how do i make eth0's link come up? |
| 19:09.31 | Maulkin | xand: plug in a cable |
| 19:09.31 | xand | (it's a normal ethernet connection) |
| 19:09.36 | xand | it is plugged in. |
| 19:09.43 | Maulkin | Doat: in theory, it shoudl work |
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| 19:09.52 | xand | it works in windows but not in debian for some reasons (the LEDs turn off) |
| 19:09.53 | Maulkin | xand: And it has a link light? |
| 19:09.57 | xand | nope |
| 19:10.05 | xand | but if I boot into windows it does |
| 19:10.06 | massctrl | hello, is there a way to handle dns in such a way that a client gets the ip back of the server which is the closest to him? For example 1 have 5 webservers with the same content, and someone in US doing a request for www.domain.com ends up on the US server and some in EU ends up on the EU server for the same domain,...? |
| 19:10.19 | xand | I guess it's trying to be Clevar |
| 19:10.37 | Maulkin | What's the network card? |
| 19:10.46 | xand | erm. it's r8169 |
| 19:10.50 | Doat | Maulkin: actually it's not /boot, but root (/). Would it still work? I have another partition for /home |
| 19:10.53 | Maulkin | should be fine then |
| 19:11.06 | Maulkin | Doat: erm... in theory, yes... |
| 19:11.10 | xand | it detects it fine, ifconfig eth0 shows it ok, but the link doesn't come up in debian... |
| 19:11.12 | Doat | in theory.. hum |
| 19:11.18 | xand | I've just rebooted into WinXP and the LEDs come on |
| 19:11.20 | Doat | Maulkin: is there any safer way to do this? |
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| 19:12.08 | Maulkin | xand: try using ethtool to set it to manual negotiation |
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| 19:12.24 | fedya | mogra: vga compatible controller: intel corp 945G/GZ express integrated graphics controller (rev 02) |
| 19:12.30 | xand | I'll have fun installing that without network :( |
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| 19:12.49 | Maulkin | hrm |
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| 19:13.04 | Maulkin | right, when you plug in the cable, is there any output in dmesg? |
| 19:13.28 | Maulkin | xand: or do you have mii-tool installed? |
| 19:13.36 | lontra | how can i halt tasksel? ctrl+c or esc doesnt' work |
| 19:13.42 | xand | Maulkin: no and yes |
| 19:13.54 | Maulkin | right, what does mii-tool say? |
| 19:13.55 | serverser | hi one silly question |
| 19:14.04 | serverser | why i cann't boot i386 cd's |
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| 19:14.08 | serverser | just amd64 |
| 19:14.14 | Maulkin | .oO(Sounds like your switch is being silly) |
| 19:14.16 | xand | eth0: no link |
| 19:14.21 | Maulkin | wow... ok |
| 19:14.24 | serverser | i tried net-inst and 1st cd also |
| 19:14.24 | xand | I think it's the network card... |
| 19:14.30 | lontra | also i am running tasksel after a base install ... and i selected desktop but it had the mail server selected by default ... is that something you usually get on the 1st cd? |
| 19:14.34 | serverser | both dont boot... |
| 19:14.37 | xand | the LEDs don't come on when I switch the PC on, they come on when windows loads |
| 19:14.42 | marc7 | if I'm using a custom kernel, what options in the kernel do I need to enable to allow for IP forwarding (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward)? |
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| 19:14.51 | xand | I could try another switch |
| 19:14.55 | Maulkin | xand: any idea what your switch is capable of? |
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| 19:15.02 | serverser | any idea ? |
| 19:15.04 | fedya | do i not have the right driver installed? |
| 19:15.22 | DawnLight | is anyone finding the mouse very restricting |
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| 19:15.35 | xand | Maulkin: 10/100/1000 half/full duplex |
| 19:15.44 | Maulkin | xand: try: mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD |
| 19:15.45 | xand | both it and NIC should be using 1000 full |
| 19:15.52 | Maulkin | xand: try: mii-tool -F 1000baseTx-FD |
| 19:15.53 | Maulkin | :) |
| 19:15.58 | cast | only because i pile my desk with shit and there's no room to move it, since i've switched to a trackball :) |
| 19:16.07 | DawnLight | what can i use to capture from my webcam? |
| 19:16.18 | Maulkin | hrm... not sure that card can do gig networking |
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| 19:16.45 | Saar | how can i force a package which apt-get upgrade holds back to be upgraded? |
| 19:16.47 | Maulkin | Oh, prehaps it can |
| 19:16.49 | xand | Maulkin: mii-tool --help only lists 10/100base* |
| 19:16.59 | xand | and doesn't like 1000baseTx-FD |
| 19:17.07 | Maulkin | xand: Yay for realtek. |
| 19:17.12 | Maulkin | try the 100Mbits one then |
| 19:17.23 | Saar | --ignore-hold sorry :) |
| 19:17.40 | xand | it's set to 100Mbit full duplex but still no link :) |
| 19:17.43 | Maulkin | If that doesn't work, we'll try something else. |
| 19:17.44 | Maulkin | ok. |
| 19:17.47 | lontra | is the Mail Server as default selection on if you leave the defaults on the 1st CD? |
| 19:17.53 | lontra | s a/as |
| 19:17.59 | xand | if ethtool will be useful I can probably fine a usb network card to get that installed |
| 19:18.00 | Maulkin | rmmod r8169 |
| 19:18.23 | abrotman | modprobe -r! |
| 19:18.23 | xand | done |
| 19:18.28 | Maulkin | insmod r8169 media = 0x08 |
| 19:18.31 | Maulkin | abrotman: no. |
| 19:18.51 | fedya | how would you reconfigure the x server? |
| 19:18.55 | xand | erm, can't find r8169, no such file or dir |
| 19:18.55 | Maulkin | !drxx |
| 19:18.55 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:19.04 | Maulkin | erk, sorry |
| 19:19.06 | serverser | eoooooo |
| 19:19.17 | serverser | nobody know something about this simply thing ? |
| 19:19.28 | Maulkin | try modprobe r8169 media = 0x08 |
| 19:20.08 | Maulkin | serverser: I can't think of a reason why it woudn't work off the top of my head. Why not just uise teh amd64 media? |
| 19:20.26 | abrotman | Maulkin: you take all the fun out of it |
| 19:20.35 | xand | "r8169: media option is deprecated" |
| 19:20.41 | Maulkin | yup, I know :) |
| 19:20.51 | Maulkin | xand: any link? |
| 19:20.58 | xand | nope :( |
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| 19:21.11 | Maulkin | try removing and re-inserting with 0x04 |
| 19:21.22 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
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| 19:21.30 | xand | same |
| 19:21.40 | Maulkin | xand: try a differernt switch |
| 19:21.41 | Maulkin | :) |
| 19:21.48 | xand | tried that just now ;) does the same |
| 19:22.02 | Maulkin | Try to avoid realtek in future? :) |
| 19:22.11 | Maulkin | (no, really though, they suck) |
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| 19:22.18 | Daejeo | can I run any streaming media server on CENTOS? I want to stream videos |
| 19:22.28 | Maulkin | Daejeo: ask #centos |
| 19:22.30 | xand | yeah well it's onboard |
| 19:22.45 | amphi | my 8139 cardbus card works ok |
| 19:22.54 | Maulkin | xand: generally are. I buy seperate good ones, as they're a) good and b) cheap these days |
| 19:23.28 | Maulkin | They normally work ok, for some values of 'work', but that's about the best I can say about them :) |
| 19:23.32 | idwer_ | \amethyst: no, lh_build |
| 19:23.41 | Maulkin | I've got a box with about 50 here, and I can't even give them away. |
| 19:24.38 | xand | i tend to run out of pci slots |
| 19:24.59 | cast | http://www.saxnet.de/en/docu.htm runs debian :D WLAN thingy |
| 19:25.10 | xand | the gigabit PCI card I have spare also has r8169 chip on, but I know it works in debian |
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| 19:25.17 | xand | so I'll put that in |
| 19:25.48 | Maulkin | xand: oh... it's a USB device? |
| 19:25.56 | xand | nope |
| 19:26.05 | Maulkin | xand: the previous one :) |
| 19:26.05 | xand | one I've been trying is on the motherboard |
| 19:26.16 | Maulkin | ahh, ok |
| 19:26.32 | idwer_ | \amethyst: i think i found the cause, / was full |
| 19:26.34 | idwer_ | is* |
| 19:26.46 | \amethyst | idwer_: aha |
| 19:27.01 | abrotman | maybe it was 312 |
| 19:27.04 | xand | netgear ga311 has r8169 chip |
| 19:27.08 | xand | that's what i'm about to put in |
| 19:27.11 | abrotman | FA .. not ga |
| 19:27.21 | xand | ga is fastar! |
| 19:27.23 | abrotman | i'm not rich like you! .. no money to throw around |
| 19:27.29 | xand | lol |
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| 19:28.39 | stew_ | if only it weren't so verbose |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | pingouin: knowing and using .. are two totally different things |
| 19:29.33 | abrotman | stew_: good .. i'll ask you all my questions :) |
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| 19:29.58 | pingouin | abrotman: wich xslt proc do you use ? xalan or xsltproc ? |
| 19:30.04 | abrotman | fop ? |
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| 19:31.13 | fedya | well i just did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and that messed it up, now i dont see anything |
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| 19:36.31 | abrotman | fedya: do it again .. but correctly this time |
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| 19:37.17 | blinx | how can I synchronize two local apt archives directories so I save a lot of bandwidth? |
| 19:37.41 | abrotman | you could use apt-proxy |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | but you want to sync them to the main archive? |
| 19:38.03 | abrotman | you'd use rsync most likely |
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| 19:38.29 | blinx | abrotman: something like apt-proxy |
| 19:38.43 | xand | grumble |
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| 19:38.50 | fedya | abrotman: the screen is flashing, i dont know how to get back to it, and i cant seem to switch to a vterm |
| 19:38.54 | xand | insert pci network card and machine doesn't post :D |
| 19:39.26 | abrotman | fedya: wait for it to stop trying to start X |
| 19:39.39 | xand | SIGH |
| 19:39.46 | fedya | uh it's been flashing for 20 minutes probably now |
| 19:39.53 | abrotman | xand: another slot ? |
| 19:40.01 | xand | tried different card, that was OK |
| 19:40.02 | xand | but |
| 19:40.07 | xand | MAC address is all Fs |
| 19:40.10 | xand | :S |
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| 19:41.06 | xand | I hate computers |
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| 19:41.22 | abrotman | xand: Have you tried to use an abacus to send email? |
| 19:41.35 | xand | nope |
| 19:41.41 | anabain_ | how can I override the argument number limitation when trying to copy with cp? |
| 19:41.55 | dkr | anabain_: xargs |
| 19:41.55 | stew_ | anabain_: use xargs |
| 19:42.08 | anabain_ | xargs? |
| 19:42.14 | anabain_ | is an option? |
| 19:42.16 | dkr | it's a command |
| 19:42.18 | idwer_ | anabain_ copy in clusters of a* / A*, etcetera |
| 19:42.27 | stew_ | anabain_: what is the command that is failing for you now? |
| 19:42.56 | dkr | idwer_: that's the solution people use that haven't learned of xargs, yet. :) |
| 19:43.02 | anabain_ | stew_, cp /from/here/* /to/here/ |
| 19:43.25 | stew_ | anabain_: echo /from/here/* | xargs cp --target-directory /to/here |
| 19:43.36 | idwer_ | dkr: ah, and so was i :) |
| 19:43.42 | \amethyst | stew_: ugh |
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| 19:44.10 | dkr | stew_: you can't do that stew_ , you are still using a glob expansion |
| 19:44.20 | stew_ | dkr: you mean becuase of spaces or what? |
| 19:44.26 | \amethyst | dkr: actually, it will work, since echo is usually a builtin |
| 19:44.31 | \amethyst | but it has problems with spaces |
| 19:44.36 | dkr | find /from/here -print0 | xargs cp --target-directory /to/here |
| 19:44.37 | stew_ | anabain_: that makes the assumption that there are no spaces in the filenames |
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| 19:44.51 | dkr | stew_: it would use the same space in commandline, which is the limit cp * runs into |
| 19:44.58 | stew_ | dkr: no it wouldn't |
| 19:45.02 | anabain_ | I think they don't contain spaces, I'll check anyway |
| 19:45.03 | dkr | amoutn of space, I mean |
| 19:45.19 | stew_ | dkr: xargs splits the command into multiple commands that's the entire point. |
| 19:45.24 | dkr | oops, forgot the -0 for null delimited input: find /from/here -print0 | xargs -0 cp --target-directory /to/here |
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| 19:45.36 | stew_ | dkr: that does something different than his command |
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| 19:45.41 | dkr | stew_: your "/from/here/*" has nothing to do with xargs |
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| 19:45.48 | stew_ | dkr: yes, and it wasn't a command |
| 19:45.49 | dkr | that is expanded by shell |
| 19:46.00 | dkr | shell commandlines have a size limit |
| 19:46.09 | stew_ | dkr: yes, that wasn't a command |
| 19:46.10 | donaldo | hi all. by default it seems debian hashes hostnames in ~/.ssh/known_hosts now. how can i find the line i'm looking for? |
| 19:46.36 | stew_ | dkr: shell builtins don't have a limit in bash zsh dash ksh tcsh. |
| 19:47.04 | anabain_ | is this correct, then? find /from/here -print0 | xargs -0 cp --target-directory /to/here |
| 19:47.09 | abrotman | sohuld be easy to test .. just use /tmp/ and touch 100k files and then try to use echo to move them? |
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| 19:47.42 | ilyak_ | ÷ÓÅÍ ÈÏÒÏÛ amarok |
| 19:47.45 | stew_ | anabain_: that will do recursively find files in all subdirectories then put them all in /to/here, flattening them out into one directory |
| 19:47.48 | dkr | stew_: so glob expansion happens differently if there is a shell built-in before the *? |
| 19:47.54 | stew_ | dkr: no, it doesn't |
| 19:48.01 | et | find /from/here -exec cp {} /to/here + |
| 19:48.25 | stew_ | dkr: try "grep foo /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" and "echo /var/lib/dpkg/info/* | xargs grep foo" |
| 19:48.51 | Tramp | donaldo: man ssh-keygen, search for hash |
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| 19:48.58 | dkr | heh, none of us thought of simpler solution(if you want to maintain the tree): cp -a /frome/here /to/here |
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| 19:49.13 | donaldo | Tramp: thanks. i tried ssh-keygen --help, but it just ... started creating a new key pair |
| 19:49.29 | Tramp | donaldo: np |
| 19:49.34 | stew_ | donaldo: are you lookig for the hash just to remove it? |
| 19:49.39 | kisielk_ | I have a script in /etc/cron.d (specifically, the one for cacti) that doesn't seem to be running, why would that be? |
| 19:49.46 | kisielk_ | It's supposedly set to run every 5 minutes.. |
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| 19:50.03 | dkr | stew_: hrm, so when I do randomprogram * in a dir with 10k files, I am not running into a shell commandline limit, but it is always the fault of randomprogram? |
| 19:50.23 | donaldo | stew_: yes |
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| 19:50.36 | stew_ | donaldo: "ssh-keygen -R hostname" will remove it |
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| 19:51.00 | donaldo | stew_: gracias |
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| 19:51.27 | stew_ | dkr: no, becuase "randomprogram *" tells your shell to run a command named randomprogram, thus subject to the command line length limit. "echo *" doesn't execute a command, it tells your shell to expand a glob and print the output |
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| 19:52.17 | stew_ | dkr: "echo *" is not spawning a process |
| 19:52.55 | dkr | yeah, I just thought glob expansion happened first, before any commands or built-ins are run |
| 19:52.57 | stew_ | dkr: by contrast, "/bin/echo * | xargs" would, in fact, fail becuase the * would be expanded, then it would try to run the /bin/echo command with an argument list too long |
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| 19:53.10 | stew_ | dkr: yes, that is correct, glob expansion happens first |
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| 19:55.05 | xand | what package is eth(-)tool in? apt-cache search doesn't find it |
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| 19:55.51 | stew_ | xand: ethtool |
| 19:55.59 | pickcoder | !info ethtool |
| 19:56.01 | dpkg | ethtool: (display or change ethernet card settings), section utils, is extra. Version: 6-0 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
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| 19:56.09 | dkr | stew_: I think I was confusing "argument list too long" with commandline too long |
| 19:56.35 | stew_ | dkr: are they not the same thing? |
| 19:56.48 | xand | grrr, due to lame sources |
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| 19:58.12 | dkr | stew_: heh, my test brought up another possible problem, "Word too long." /bin/echo `perl -wle'print"a"x2**15'` |
| 19:58.19 | DawnLight | how do you call the thing that maked a deb out of any source? |
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| 19:58.27 | abrotman | alien? |
| 19:58.38 | DawnLight | aahm |
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| 20:00.06 | DawnLight | can alien do that? the description sais its for making debs out of non-native packages. i was told there's something that makes debs out of simple source |
| 20:00.12 | stew_ | dkr: i don't get that error. but note that "echo" and "/bin/echo" are two different things |
| 20:00.15 | xand | Maulkin: why would mii-tool say my link is 100Mbps but ethtool says 1000Mbps (and the switch LEDs agree)? does mii-tool not support >100Mbps? |
| 20:00.46 | stew_ | DawnLight: there is checkinstall (but not in etch) |
| 20:01.01 | DawnLight | bah |
| 20:01.06 | solemnwarning | Can dhclient be configured to call a script whenever it gets a new IP address? |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | checkinstall and stow |
| 20:01.22 | abrotman | and they don't make .deb files |
| 20:01.24 | rubymonk | Anyone to tell me how I remove those messages please ? http://www.pastebin.ca/772396 |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | fix your locale |
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| 20:01.46 | dkr | stew_: yeah, I was trying with and without shell built-in to experiment. Obviously I was confused, though. because I thought glob expansion had to do with the commandline size limit(the number of characters typed at your prompt) not the number of arguments allowed for running a command |
| 20:01.55 | xand | Maulkin: hmm man page says only 100Mbps and 10Mbps... looks like a program for removal or upgrading >.< |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | ethtool doesn't support Gb does it? |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | or is that mii-tool |
| 20:02.31 | rubymonk | abrotman, how ? dpkg-reconfigure something (I run this all from a script and the system it runs on is freshly debootstrapped) |
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| 20:02.53 | xand | Maulkin: oh, apparently MII stuff doesn't work with gigabit cards ;) |
| 20:02.56 | dkr | solemnwarning: post-up in interfaces? |
| 20:02.57 | mogra | <durhur>isn't mii-tool that thing on the wii?</durhur> |
| 20:03.03 | rubymonk | actually, such a flood for a little locale issue... It's expensive... |
| 20:03.11 | solemnwarning | dkr: Will that be called whenever the IP address changes? :\ |
| 20:03.13 | stew_ | dkr: aiui, the command line lenght limit is a limit when runing the execv syscall. when you run "echo" in a shell, it doesn't have to call execv to start a new process to do the echoing, it can do the echoing itself in your existing shell process |
| 20:03.27 | blinx | abrotman: is it possible to realize the synchronization of two archives directories with rsync or something like that? I mean one pc is off while the other is on, etc.. So each pc should have the same contents in the archives directory.... |
| 20:03.46 | stew_ | solemnwarning: i assume that this is what the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-{enter,exit}-hooks.d directories are for |
| 20:03.52 | abrotman | blinx: you could rsync them i suppose |
| 20:04.01 | xand | abrotman: the latter |
| 20:04.03 | zicho | Does anyone know what "Songbird" is? |
| 20:04.04 | stew_ | solemnwarning: and no, post-up in interfaces is not called by dhclient |
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| 20:04.10 | abrotman | zicho: yes |
| 20:04.13 | blinx | abrotman: any link for me |
| 20:04.14 | blinx | ß |
| 20:04.21 | abrotman | man rsync ? |
| 20:04.30 | zicho | abrotman: Do you know if it is possible to install on Debian without having firefox installed? |
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| 20:04.42 | abrotman | zicho: nope .. last time i tried it i had to compile it |
| 20:04.54 | abrotman | and it really wasn't that good |
| 20:04.56 | zicho | Doh. |
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| 20:05.12 | zicho | Well, screw it then. Perhaps i should wait til its a later version. |
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| 20:06.10 | abrotman | and if so .. could we name it "TweetyBird" ? |
| 20:06.17 | lontra | +1 |
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| 20:07.03 | lontra | or BigBird |
| 20:07.24 | zicho | Whats "TB"? |
| 20:07.26 | dkr | interesting shortcut I remembered, btw: hold down alt and type a number, then hit a character and that character will be repeated the specified number of times |
| 20:07.44 | lontra | !away |
| 20:07.44 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 20:07.54 | dkr | zicho: ^^^ |
| 20:07.59 | ched_ | !sid |
| 20:07.59 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 20:08.10 | dondelelcaro | zicho: please turn off the back notification |
| 20:08.10 | zicho | I was tricked! |
| 20:08.11 | idwer_ | dkr: in which program ? |
| 20:08.16 | dkr | idwer_: bash or tcsh |
| 20:08.39 | idwer_ | ah |
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| 20:09.37 | idwer_ | could be useful sometimes |
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| 20:09.54 | dkr | useful for testing commandline limits is about all I can think of, heh |
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| 20:13.01 | abrotman | Supaplex: your movie got removed |
| 20:13.24 | anabain_ | is there any option in ls command that prints the remaining space in the device? |
| 20:13.29 | anabain_ | I can't find it |
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| 20:13.41 | beardy | anabain_: No. df(1) |
| 20:13.49 | anabain_ | ok |
| 20:14.07 | beardy | anabain_: You may want 'df -h'. |
| 20:15.17 | anabain_ | ok, and if I want to know the size of a dir? |
| 20:15.41 | fengor | man du |
| 20:15.45 | beardy | anabain_: du |
| 20:15.46 | anabain_ | thanx |
| 20:15.54 | mirak | does anyone knows how to run a x application inside a chroot ? |
| 20:15.59 | rubymonk | abrotman, I don't want to go through dpkg-reconfigure locales... Can I simply modify /etc/environment ? |
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| 20:16.42 | tzanger | good afternoon |
| 20:16.54 | dkr | rubymonk: of course. you can always do things manually instead of the fast, simple way. one of the joys of debian, :) |
| 20:17.12 | rubymonk | Actually, this is a script... I don't want to be bugged out by prompts |
| 20:17.23 | tzanger | is there a script or something I can direct the system to run bfore hibernation and immediately after? |
| 20:17.37 | tzanger | I imagine it would be something either with the udev or ACPI subsystems, but I'm not sure where to start looking |
| 20:17.46 | rubymonk | I modified /etc/environment, it didn't apply the changes... there might have a command to run |
| 20:18.03 | rubymonk | Any idea ? |
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| 20:18.42 | abrotman | maybe /etc/acpi/ |
| 20:18.49 | abrotman | rubymonk: modify it to do what? |
| 20:19.06 | rubymonk | abrotman, To not be bugged by those perl messages |
| 20:19.36 | rubymonk | about the locales, etc... |
| 20:19.40 | tzanger | abrotman: damn, I had no idea that directory even existed |
| 20:19.43 | tzanger | that should be perfect, I think |
| 20:19.45 | rubymonk | Like this http://www.pastebin.ca/772396 |
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| 20:20.09 | rubymonk | So, I'd like to "manually" (script) set the locale to C |
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| 20:20.59 | tzanger | bah, it seems that alsactl doesn' thave the 'power' command anymore |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | tzanger: use He-Man |
| 20:21.18 | tzanger | abrotman: ? |
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| 20:21.32 | abrotman | tzanger: it's an old cartoon .. nevermind |
| 20:21.43 | tzanger | yes I am aware of the cartoon :-) |
| 20:21.45 | dkr | tzanger: "I *have* the power" -- He-Man |
| 20:21.49 | tzanger | haha |
| 20:21.57 | dkr | tzanger: then learn what "?" means? ;) |
| 20:22.36 | tzanger | dkr: I didn't understand the connection between he-man and getting alsa to simulate a power cycle was |
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| 20:22.59 | dkr | and you expected us to expand "?" into that? ;) |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | i did .. that's why i explained |
| 20:23.31 | tomdick | i've got a small mailserver (that is not an open relay) that has been abused by spammers. several users have apparently had their accounts compromised and IPs from nigeria, other african countries are using the squirrelmail interface (and a script i presume) to send lots of messages. is there a way to block IPs that open too many connections? |
| 20:24.01 | abrotman | iptables .. but be careful |
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| 20:24.54 | boguh | hi, how can i change the display settings with xrandr? |
| 20:25.01 | abrotman | man xrandr |
| 20:25.07 | abrotman | your card/driver have to support it |
| 20:25.25 | boguh | abrotman fglrx driver |
| 20:25.42 | dkr | I use the gnome randr applet to turn my monitor sideways. :) |
| 20:25.59 | abrotman | boguh: i have on idea if the binary non-free driver supports xrandr extensions |
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| 20:27.11 | tomdick | abrotman: should i ask in #netfilter? |
| 20:27.16 | kombi | my first ever box in canada.. how do I change the lingo to english?.. |
| 20:27.16 | abrotman | #iptables more likely |
| 20:27.26 | tomdick | thanks |
| 20:27.36 | FastPutty | someone could help me, http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drawing1ep1.jpg . i can ping from B to C, and A to D, but i cannot ping from B to D someone know the problem? |
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| 20:28.23 | abrotman | tomdick: or you could block all of nigeria :) |
| 20:28.54 | mogra | what if he has an old college buddy from nigeria? :( |
| 20:28.54 | tomdick | abrotman: it's being discussed... :-) |
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| 20:29.16 | tomdick | mogra: he can use smtp like a decent human being |
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| 20:29.29 | mogra | :D |
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| 20:29.45 | kombi | FastPutty: is that your homework? |
| 20:29.46 | abrotman | tomdick: okay |
| 20:29.58 | FastPutty | kombi: not my homework, there what actually my network is |
| 20:30.11 | tomdick | FastPutty: i'm no network engineer, but have you checked your routes? |
| 20:30.16 | FastPutty | kombi: i draw it with visio so it easier to see.. i dont like paint |
| 20:30.24 | abrotman | FastPutty: try #networking |
| 20:30.24 | kombi | you might need nat in there |
| 20:30.37 | stew_ | how do i add a > before a bunch of lines in a row in vim? |
| 20:30.44 | FastPutty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:30.51 | grassroot | FastPutty : you should check out dia |
| 20:30.52 | FastPutty | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.58 | FastPutty | dia? |
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| 20:31.09 | grassroot | works great for diagrams |
| 20:31.15 | kombi | how do I change the system language? I've never seen linux talk to me in french.. |
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| 20:31.30 | FastPutty | grassrooot: what do you mean? |
| 20:31.35 | kombi | plus I don't speak french, really.. |
| 20:31.43 | grassroot | FastPutty better then paint and viseo... combined |
| 20:31.48 | kombi | aide moi! |
| 20:32.03 | hatter | i have a problem with 7.10 and samba shares, after a random time the windows boxex connected to them freeze for a minute or so then they come good again. |
| 20:32.06 | Tramp | stew: e.g.: 1,$s/^/>/ |
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| 20:32.13 | FastPutty | so no one know what my problem is right? |
| 20:32.20 | stew_ | Tramp: duh, right |
| 20:32.37 | mogra | !fr |
| 20:32.37 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:32.37 | hatter | oops |
| 20:32.43 | hatter | #debian |
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| 20:32.51 | jelly-home | just a > is ugly. > and a space is nice |
| 20:32.53 | qrck | kombi: export LANGUAGE=bla LC_CTYPE and LC_MESSAGES too in your global profile |
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| 20:33.13 | Tramp | FastPutty: can you tcpdump on all boxes? |
| 20:33.22 | kombi | thanks qrck! |
| 20:33.22 | jelly-home | qrck: bzzt. wrong. |
| 20:33.23 | FastPutty | nop onl my debian machin |
| 20:33.24 | grassroot | FastPutty: it could be you don't have the right kernel modules installed |
| 20:33.29 | FastPutty | my vpn box is a checkpoint.. |
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| 20:33.39 | jelly-home | kombi: put it in /etc/environment instead |
| 20:33.40 | qrck | jelly-home: why ? |
| 20:33.53 | FastPutty | grassroot: ican ping internet withoutr touble anyway |
| 20:34.03 | jelly-home | or even /etc/default/locale |
| 20:34.14 | FastPutty | grassroot: i used the kernel tat come with etch 4.0 rc1 |
| 20:35.22 | qrck | jelly-home: there's no /etc/environment |
| 20:35.24 | jelly-home | kombi: actually, scratch all that and let dpkg do it: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:35.33 | qrck | jelly-home: at least not in my /etc |
| 20:35.35 | kombi | right you are..! |
| 20:35.59 | h3sp4wn | qrck: look at the pam configuration |
| 20:36.02 | Tramp | FastPutty: and, by the way, 172.168.1.1 is a public IP address |
| 20:36.07 | h3sp4wn | qrck: /etc/environment is the right place for it |
| 20:36.24 | jelly-home | qrck: create it if you need it. but for locale, /etc/default/locale is the "right" place |
| 20:36.25 | kombi | Tramp: it is not.. |
| 20:36.27 | qrck | h3sp4wn: so one has to create it ? |
| 20:36.30 | boulbul | hi, I had my system running on debian 2.6.18-4-686, I have upgraded the distro 2.6.22-2-686, for some reason I can not get my wifi card working, but iF I go back to the old kernel it works fine... I am running it on an IBM x60 and I was using the ipw3945d driver |
| 20:36.35 | qrck | oh ok |
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| 20:36.40 | qrck | thank you all |
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| 20:37.23 | kombi | lol: dpkg-reconfigure: locale n'est pas install?...rofl |
| 20:37.48 | Tramp | kombi: FastPutty: according to RFC 1918 it is - or am I missing something? It belongs to AOL?? |
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| 20:38.07 | mogra | kombi |
| 20:38.09 | mogra | !fr |
| 20:38.09 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:38.10 | mogra | :) |
| 20:38.20 | qrck | kombi: actually you have to put locale's you want in /etc/locale.gen or define some yourself with loceledef and then run locale-gen |
| 20:38.23 | Tramp | NetRange: 172.128.0.0 - 172.191.255.255 OrgName: America Online |
| 20:38.23 | kombi | mogra: ough... |
| 20:38.27 | mogra | :D |
| 20:38.33 | FastPutty | Tramp: imena its 172.16.1.1 |
| 20:38.39 | tomdick | boulbul: did you use module-assistant to get your wireless working? if so, you'll need to redo it in the new kernel |
| 20:38.50 | FastPutty | Tramp: little mistake in the diagram |
| 20:39.01 | qrck | kombi: or link /etc/locale.gen to /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED and run locale-gen |
| 20:39.05 | Tramp | FastPutty: Ah. You should I know that? |
| 20:39.07 | valdyn | !ipw3945 |
| 20:39.07 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d |
| 20:39.20 | FastPutty | Tramp: sorry :) |
| 20:39.22 | jelly-home | qrck: bzzt. dpkg-reconfigure locales does that, too :-) |
| 20:39.34 | helo | dpkg: what if i don't want to? |
| 20:39.41 | Tramp | FastPutty: np. |
| 20:39.50 | FastPutty | Tramp: do you have an idea about what my problem is? |
| 20:39.51 | qrck | jelly-home: however, but not on mine box.... i had to do it all manually.... |
| 20:39.53 | helo | this 'dpkg' fellow keeps bossing everyone around... |
| 20:40.03 | qrck | heh |
| 20:40.36 | jelly-home | qrck: your debconf priority might be set really high, so all questions get default values without asking |
| 20:40.51 | Tramp | FastPutty: I asked already if you can tcpdump on all boxes or not |
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| 20:41.09 | FastPutty | tramp: i do not have tcpdump on the vpn box |
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| 20:41.46 | FastPutty | and not in the 172 too |
| 20:41.56 | qrck | jelly-home: can be, i didn't fiddle with that one since first installation.... and i don't remember to what it was set...f |
| 20:42.11 | Tramp | FastPutty: Bad. Do you see the echo-request from b->d leave eth0 of a? |
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| 20:42.27 | jelly-home | qrck: debconf-show debconf |grep debconf/priority ? is it critical? |
| 20:42.30 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 20:42.54 | qrck | jelly-home: ya ok, i'll have a look thank you |
| 20:43.07 | FastPutty | tramp: i will check it now sec |
| 20:43.09 | waspius | hi i am trying to install amsn and i get the error tcl scripting language could not be found..do u know why? |
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| 20:43.39 | jelly-home | waspius: you trying to build from source? |
| 20:43.45 | waspius | no |
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| 20:43.51 | yos87 | I have problem, When I open the terminal, I'm getting this message all the time, so I cannot use the terminal very well, Message from syslogd@localhost at Wed Nov 14 00:41:53 2007 . localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 20:44.24 | valdyn | yos87: edit /etc/sysctl.conf and more importantly fix your hardware ( cpu cooling ) |
| 20:44.49 | jelly-home | waspius: which debian release? dpkg -l libc6 amsn|tail -2 |
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| 20:45.25 | waspius | jelly-home: net install debian 4.0 |
| 20:45.39 | kombi | oh my god, apt-cache search php5 returns nothing on this box... am I on woody then or sth? |
| 20:45.51 | yos87 | valdyn: what I have to write in the sysctl.conf to stop this message? |
| 20:45.51 | jelly-home | !version |
| 20:45.52 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 20:46.12 | kombi | thanks jelly |
| 20:46.24 | valdyn | yos87: there should be a line: # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 20:46.25 | kombi | 3.1.. sigh |
| 20:46.38 | jelly-home | kombi: that's sarge (oldstable) |
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| 20:47.02 | kombi | can you throw me the factoide on moving to etch? |
| 20:47.11 | jelly-home | kombi: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 20:47.54 | kombi | thanks! |
| 20:48.06 | jelly-home | waspius: care to paste that dpkg|grep? |
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| 20:48.33 | yos87 | valdyn: Ok, I remove the # , Thank you for your help |
| 20:49.39 | boulbul | tomdick: I did not, I only had to install it from synaptic then installed the firmware.. that is all |
| 20:49.44 | kombi | jelly-home: tough luck, it's a vps.. |
| 20:49.50 | kombi | ..even.. |
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| 20:50.16 | valdyn | boulbul: you need a new driver for the new kernel, see what dpkg said about it |
| 20:50.28 | jelly-home | kombi: there could be a php5 in backports |
| 20:50.38 | yos87 | valdyn: I get the message again |
| 20:50.40 | waspius | dpkg -l libc6 amsn|tail -2 |
| 20:50.40 | dpkg | ii libc6 amsn|tail -2 3.3-12.2 waspius's private porn collection |
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| 20:51.00 | valdyn | yos87: running "sysctl -p" is not mentioned in that sysctl.conf_ |
| 20:51.01 | valdyn | yos87: running "sysctl -p" is not mentioned in that sysctl.conf? |
| 20:51.06 | jelly-home | waspius: not the porn, the output of the command |
| 20:51.13 | waspius | jelly-home: 3.3-12.2 |
| 20:51.21 | jelly-home | waspius: and libc6? |
| 20:51.36 | valdyn | yos87: just run that... |
| 20:51.36 | waspius | ii |
| 20:51.48 | waspius | jelly-home: ii |
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| 20:52.18 | jelly-home | waspius: uh, better pastebin it. your output is all messed up |
| 20:52.19 | yos87 | valdyn: warning: /etc/sysctl.conf(28): invalid syntax, continuing.. |
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| 20:52.54 | vampirefrog | hi. is there a way to display a loading slider (like ubuntu) at boot time, instead of all those messages? |
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| 20:53.08 | valdyn | yos87: well, no idea what you put in there that breaks the syntax rules.. |
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| 20:53.43 | yos87 | valdyn: ok, thank you very much |
| 20:53.55 | valdyn | yos87: you can for instance "cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk" to verify what should be there |
| 20:54.03 | waspius | jelly-home: ok i fixed it |
| 20:54.41 | yos87 | valdyn, 7 4 1 7 |
| 20:55.10 | valdyn | yos87: that's what it should be? |
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| 20:55.17 | valdyn | yos87: not for me anyway |
| 20:55.24 | kombi | with apt, how do you get the version of a package again? |
| 20:55.31 | valdyn | kernel/printk = 4 4 1 7 |
| 20:56.01 | kombi | showpkg, sorry.. |
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| 21:05.48 | jelly-home | kombi: apt-cache policy packagename is nice, too |
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| 21:06.28 | jelly-home | kombi: especially if you have extra sources.list entries |
| 21:06.32 | xand | hmmm |
| 21:06.38 | brianski | can someone tell me what a trailing + in a permission string from ls output means? ie drwxrwxr-x+ ? |
| 21:07.04 | kombi | policy packagename, kewl! |
| 21:08.01 | kombi | brianski: I never even fully understood permissions.. |
| 21:08.01 | xand | brianski: it means there's an ACL |
| 21:08.01 | brianski | xand - do you know how i can get more information about ACLs? |
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| 21:09.17 | xand | brianski: the actual ACL or acls in general? getfacl shows them |
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| 21:09.57 | eike | creating a pbuilder environment fails here. the last messages are "Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt" "Couldn't install system due to errors" "pbuilder: cdebootstrap failed" - any hints? |
| 21:11.16 | stew_ | eike: perhaps try debootstrap instead of cdebootstrap? |
| 21:11.41 | stew_ | eike: or try to run cdebootstrap by hand and see if you get more descriptive errors? |
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| 21:12.15 | stew_ | eike: perhaps /tmp (or wherever it's trying to build the chroot) is mounted nodev? |
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| 21:12.47 | eike | one moment, i'll try the first first :o) |
| 21:13.41 | eike | strange enough, when i put DEBOOTSTRAP="debootstrap" (instead DEBOOTSTRAP="cdebootstrap"), it starts anyhow... |
| 21:13.59 | eike | (when i put this into pbuilderrc) |
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| 21:19.37 | t1loc | plop |
| 21:19.48 | mogra | polp |
| 21:20.08 | t1loc | mogra: tu sais ou ce situe le fichier de config des carte reseau ? |
| 21:20.10 | t1loc | stp |
| 21:20.23 | mogra | !fr |
| 21:20.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:20.24 | Eulex | !fr |
| 21:20.34 | Eulex | pwned |
| 21:20.55 | t1loc | mogra i'm banning toi debian-fr ... |
| 21:21.25 | mogra | t1loc: je sais un peu fr, en svp |
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| 21:22.23 | t1loc | mogra: i search the folder who configure the network |
| 21:22.42 | stew_ | t1loc: man interfaces |
| 21:22.57 | mogra | thx, stew_ |
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| 21:23.04 | t1loc | thanks for your help |
| 21:23.16 | mogra | np |
| 21:23.28 | xand | if I select "Desktop system" in tasksel it should install gnome, gdm, yes? |
| 21:23.37 | mogra | yes |
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| 21:24.10 | xand | bah, tasksel or aptitude or similar is broken in lenny |
| 21:24.24 | stew_ | xand: tasksel --task-packages desktop ; will tell you would it would install |
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| 21:25.09 | eike | i get the same great error message from cdebootstrap: "Couldn't install system due to errors!" |
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| 21:30.27 | xand | stew_: odd the "desktop" task doesn't include gdm or similar |
| 21:30.38 | stew_ | xand: it includes gnome which depends on gdm |
| 21:30.39 | Jyzygzel- | what will happen if i rm -r /var/mail |
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| 21:30.49 | xand | stew_: it doesn't |
| 21:31.15 | xand | tasksel --task-package desktop | grep gnome = null |
| 21:31.19 | slidesinger | I need to configure a jet direct card over the LAN from my debian box, can I do this? HP does not list any tools that aren't for windoze. |
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| 21:31.34 | xand | it gives a list of only 39 packages |
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| 21:32.02 | stew_ | xand: hmm, perhaps it gets pulled in via desktop-base via Suggests? |
| 21:32.22 | infinity_ | i can't create a file on an NFS mount. why might that be. I get permission denied, the directory is 777 and i'm not root. |
| 21:32.50 | Cornishman | infinity_: you have ntfs-3g installed? |
| 21:32.57 | infinity_ | no. |
| 21:33.19 | rgouveia | hi ... i am currently running unstable but would like to move to testing. i know i have to reinstall but my laptop doesn't have a cdrom drive so is there any way to boot an installation, from grub for eg.? |
| 21:33.24 | infinity_ | its a new install. just getting it online and data restored. |
| 21:33.25 | Cornishman | ntfs-3g gives you read/write |
| 21:33.32 | infinity_ | ext3 file systems |
| 21:33.35 | stew_ | Cornishman: he's not talking about ntfs |
| 21:33.38 | Cornishman | ahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:33.41 | Cornishman | yes I see now |
| 21:33.43 | stew_ | infinity_: are the uids the same on both machines? |
| 21:33.43 | Cornishman | sorry |
| 21:33.46 | xand | stew_: well... I did tasksel --task-package desktop > file; apt-get install `echo $(<file)`; and it didn't install gnome or gdm |
| 21:33.46 | stew_ | infinity_: oh, 777 |
| 21:33.52 | infinity_ | uids are set by YP |
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| 21:34.15 | infinity_ | but if i'm a user and its 777, uid's shouldn't matter |
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| 21:34.43 | infinity_ | its so weird. its like something i ro, but i checked the nfs mount and and device mount |
| 21:34.48 | infinity_ | its all rw |
| 21:34.54 | ginoman | male!!! |
| 21:35.04 | ginoman | 777 is the wicked number in Linux |
| 21:35.14 | jelly-home | male? |
| 21:35.15 | xand | male? |
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| 21:35.20 | xand | did you mean "man"? |
| 21:35.30 | ginoman | Mah-Lay it's latin for "How bad!" |
| 21:35.43 | xand | !latin |
| 21:35.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, latin is an old dead but beautiful language |
| 21:35.43 | jelly-home | used babelfish to translate man -> spanish -> back |
| 21:35.57 | infinity_ | hmmm ... |
| 21:35.58 | stew_ | xand: maybe with aptitude it would becuase aptitude would isntall suggests and apt-get wouldn't? i dunno |
| 21:36.11 | ginoman | I exclaimed that because someone has files in permission 777 |
| 21:36.16 | ginoman | big major no no |
| 21:36.25 | ginoman | except in rare occasion |
| 21:36.26 | xand | stew_: aptitude does the same |
| 21:36.43 | xand | it's buggered... tasksel did bomb out when I ran it, so was trying it manually so I can see errors |
| 21:37.00 | infinity_ | duuuuu. nfs is ro by default unless you specify otherwise. |
| 21:37.03 | xand | !installed packages |
| 21:37.03 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 21:37.09 | ginoman | better yet..... 755 |
| 21:37.11 | infinity_ | ...in etc/exports |
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| 21:38.07 | eike | stew_: it seems "pbuilder create --debootstrap debootstrap" works, while putting "DEBOOTSTRAP="debootstrap" into /etc/pbuilderrc didn't... |
| 21:38.15 | xand | a mess of broken dependencies :( |
| 21:38.32 | xand | sigh at etch's kernel for not working on my system and lenny being broken :'( |
| 21:38.35 | stew_ | eike: becuase you already have a ~/.pbuilderrc ? |
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| 21:38.58 | stew_ | xand: !kmuto ? |
| 21:39.06 | eike | stew_: good idea - but i don't... |
| 21:39.13 | Arczibold | real |
| 21:39.18 | xand | stew_: didn't really want to use non-debian stuff |
| 21:39.20 | eike | a, i do! |
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| 21:39.55 | eike | stew_: great, thanks! |
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| 21:40.31 | eike | stew_: it seems there's a problem ATM with cdebootstrap, but debootstrap will build my packages. is cdebootstrap generally supposed to be superior? |
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| 21:41.19 | techbie | hello all, i am using etch and 2.6.22 kernel from backports , the problem is that when i shutdown the machine it halts , but does not power off automatically, |
| 21:41.35 | TurboBee | somehow my friend broke my apt-get install for bacula here is the error msg http://pastebin.com/m67b52a8c any clue how to fix that? |
| 21:41.42 | kritical | I need to transfer a lot of data between two servers via crossover cable... I was just going to use NFS because it's easy.. but it turns out a lot of packages need to be installed/removed on one of the servers to use it... can anyone recommend an easy/fast alternative method? SCP? FTP?... |
| 21:41.50 | stew_ | eike: they are both just used to create the base.tar.gz that pbuilder would use. they should produce identical results afaik. cdeboostrap is written in C instead of sh and perl, so maybe its just there to be faster, i don't know |
| 21:42.33 | eike | stew_: ok, thanks |
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| 21:42.47 | stew_ | kritical: rsync over ssh? |
| 21:43.03 | amphi | kritical: sshfs perhaps / |
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| 21:43.39 | dkr | encrypting when transferring via crossover seems overkill |
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| 21:43.56 | wally | hi, I know this is not quite a place to ask this but anyway... does anybody know what tool was used to create this? http://internet-sicherheit.de/fileadmin/npo/images/tools/internetkarte_gross.png |
| 21:44.33 | rubymonk | wally, Why not asking them ? |
| 21:44.38 | rubymonk | send a mail... |
| 21:44.39 | dkr | there is a perl module that makes graphs that look like that |
| 21:44.42 | bzed | wally: looks like graphviz/dotty |
| 21:44.56 | dkr | ah, yep, .dot is the format it used |
| 21:44.58 | wally | rubymonk: already did, if you see it was created back in 2005 |
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| 21:45.41 | bzed | dkr: at least you can use it to create the graph as svg and then work on it in inkscape |
| 21:45.42 | wally | bzed: I think it is graphviz!# |
| 21:45.56 | wally | thank you very much!!! |
| 21:46.21 | wally | rubymonk: look and learn, there's no better place to ask stuff than here (: |
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| 21:46.39 | idwer_ | \amethyst: ping ? |
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| 21:48.39 | bzed | wally: you're welcome |
| 21:48.49 | elenril | hi |
| 21:49.09 | elenril | how do i enable sync to vblank with intel drivers |
| 21:50.17 | \amethyst | idwer_: sorry, I've been away from the keyboard |
| 21:50.57 | idwer_ | \amethyst: do you happen to know why lh_build skips a particular package ? i can apt-get install that package though |
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| 21:51.12 | idwer_ | os the repository is configured ok |
| 21:51.15 | idwer_ | so* |
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| 21:52.31 | \amethyst | idwer_: skips? |
| 21:52.48 | idwer_ | yeah, it's not downloaded |
| 21:52.56 | idwer_ | as a $file.deb |
| 21:53.00 | \amethyst | idwer_: and it's listed where? |
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| 21:53.13 | idwer_ | debian sid, superiotool |
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| 21:53.41 | blahblahx | is it legal to not include the /usr/share/doc files on a distro but link to them on a download page? |
| 21:53.51 | \amethyst | idwer_: I mean, do you have that package listed in some file in config/chroot_local-packageslists/ ? |
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| 21:54.00 | \amethyst | blahblahx: you'll be omitting a lot of copyright notices that way |
| 21:54.17 | idwer_ | i created a custom packagelist-file |
| 21:54.32 | idwer_ | everything else from that list is fetched... |
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| 21:54.46 | \amethyst | idwer_: do you see any error message about that package? |
| 21:55.06 | blahblahx | \amethyst: i know, thats why im asking if its legal to link to them on a download page with the files? |
| 21:55.09 | stew_ | blahblahx: for an overwelming majority of the packages, you must include the copyright file |
| 21:55.13 | stew_ | blahblahx: no |
| 21:55.31 | et | that depends on the license, really |
| 21:55.43 | blahblahx | stew_: so i cant link to them on a download page with all the intact files? |
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| 21:55.53 | et | it's not okay for gpled stuff, afaict |
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| 21:56.45 | stew_ | blahblahx: what are you going to put up for download? every individual file? a .deb? a .tar.gz? |
| 21:56.54 | blahblahx | et: is there any sneaky way to not acutally include the files on the physical cd? |
| 21:57.02 | blahblahx | stew_: all the doc folders |
| 21:57.06 | \amethyst | blahblahx: you can remove everything else from /usr/share/doc except for the copyright files |
| 21:57.16 | stew_ | blahblahx: if the software is on the cd, the copyright must be on the cd |
| 21:57.32 | blahblahx | damn |
| 21:57.36 | stew_ | blahblahx: (if you are planning to distribute the cd, if it is for your own use, do whatever you like) |
| 21:57.43 | karsten | stew_: ... or distributed together with it. |
| 21:57.46 | blahblahx | no im distributing it |
| 21:57.47 | bzed | blahblahx: why don't you even think aboutit? the documentataion is small, just ship it |
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| 21:57.58 | blahblahx | bzed: no its 38mb |
| 21:58.03 | bzed | OMG |
| 21:58.06 | karsten | stew_: Eg: on paper, on a COPYRIGHT file associated with the disk. |
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| 21:58.22 | blahblahx | well guys are there any files that i can legally exclude from the cd to save space? |
| 21:58.27 | bzed | blahblahx: that's really much compared with today's CD/DVD sizes and prices |
| 21:58.31 | karsten | stew_: I went through this discussion a few years ago with Tom Oehsler of Tom's Root Boot & RMS. |
| 21:58.42 | bzed | blahblahx: exclude packages you odn;t need |
| 21:59.09 | blahblahx | bzed: yeah but im making a custom distro that fits on a 350mb minicd |
| 21:59.13 | \amethyst | blahblahx: you can (for any free packages) exclude every file from the documentation except the copyright file |
| 21:59.28 | bzed | blahblahx: just use grml or DSL - no need to create a new one |
| 21:59.34 | karsten | blahblahx: If it's for your own use, you aren't bound by requirements to provide the license files. |
| 21:59.49 | blahblahx | bzed: but it has a full gnome+ cool gui apps and codecs |
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| 22:00.06 | limpio | use ratpoison instead |
| 22:00.24 | karsten | blahblahx: If you're distributing the disk, you'll have to comply with license requirements for the software, which in general means accompanying the software with the license text. Need not be on the same media. |
| 22:00.26 | blahblahx | but the point is it has a full gnome desktop crammed into the minicd |
| 22:00.45 | blahblahx | karsten: but the software is on the media, so the copyright has to be |
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| 22:01.40 | karsten | blahblahx: On Debian, some packages include the GNU GPL by reference to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL |
| 22:01.44 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one disable tcp wrappers ? i am running sarge |
| 22:02.00 | karsten | blahblahx: Can you please cite the license terms which require you to distribute the license on the same media? |
| 22:02.10 | h3sp4wn | blahblahx: with squashfs which I guess you are using anyway then the space usage for the licensess in /usr/share/doc will be tiny |
| 22:02.45 | blahblahx | h3sp4wn: but it still takes up about 20mb which is just what i need to shave off |
| 22:03.07 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: there's generally little point of doing that; unless you have things in deny/allow, they're effectively disabled. |
| 22:03.16 | h3sp4wn | blahblahx: just for the copyright notices ? I don't believe it |
| 22:03.32 | blahblahx | h3sp4wn: no for the entirety of /usr/share/doc |
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| 22:04.33 | h3sp4wn | blahblahx: switching to uclibc would probably save you a boatload of space |
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| 22:04.35 | eike | blahblahx: if you think you're users won't read documentation, remove averything except the licence files... |
| 22:04.40 | karsten | blahblahx: In the case of GPL v2, the requirement for including the text fo the GPL itself is: "give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program." |
| 22:04.55 | karsten | blahblahx: Not necessarially on the same media as the program, but along with it. |
| 22:05.18 | thelostbutler | h3sp4wn: apparently rpc.mountd is doing lookups to deny/allow and i want to stop that since that is wasting cycles on a system with high load. i was looking into recompileing nfs-kernel-server but didn't find the option to mention during compile time |
| 22:05.24 | blahblahx | eike: but thats a pain considering i have over 100 folders in /usr/share/doc |
| 22:05.45 | blahblahx | karsten: but maybe not every piece of software on my cd is using GPL v2 |
| 22:05.49 | karsten | blahblahx: Effectively: the contents of /usr/share/doc/<packagename> for all packages you include should tend to cover it, if you're starting from Debian. |
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| 22:06.01 | eike | blahblahx: what's the problem? the result won't be large |
| 22:06.12 | karsten | blahblahx: I didn't say that that was the terms for *all* *licenses*. I was giving you a *specific* example in the case of *GPLv2* |
| 22:06.30 | karsten | blahblahx: If you're going to play langauge lawyer I'm going to expect you to read with intelligence and comprehension. |
| 22:06.39 | karsten | blahblahx: This discussion belongs on #debian-offtopic BTW. |
| 22:06.52 | blahblahx | okay well im done with the liscencing issue |
| 22:07.05 | \amethyst | blahblahx: you can do something like mkdir /usr/share/copyrights ; for x in /usr/share/doc/*; do dn=$(basename $x); cp $dn |
| 22:07.19 | karsten | eike: Whether or not users will read docs doesn't releive anyone of their licensing obligations for compliance. |
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| 22:07.28 | \amethyst | blahblahx: that way you have all the copyrights in one directory, named by package |
| 22:07.28 | blahblahx | i want to just know if there is anything else i can legally and safetly take off to make my final cd about 25mb smaller |
| 22:07.30 | ouba | hello |
| 22:07.39 | \amethyst | blahblahx: do you really have 25mb of copyright files? |
| 22:07.58 | eike | karsten: if people are readung docs (and sometimes, they should), you don't need only the licence files but the whole docs. that was my point |
| 22:08.11 | h3sp4wn | If they all contain the GPL it should be able to be compressed to almost nothing |
| 22:08.24 | dkr | blahblahx: bzip instead of gzip everything that is normally gzipped. :) |
| 22:08.30 | karsten | eike: Then your point is off-topic to the question at hand. |
| 22:08.34 | blahblahx | \amethyst: not of copyright files but of total stuff in /usr/share/doc. and i have about 00 folders in there and not enough time to sort through it all |
| 22:08.41 | eike | karsten: ...and i said "remove anything =>except the licence files...<=" |
| 22:08.45 | karsten | eike: ... oh. |
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| 22:08.56 | karsten | eike: Yeah. I'm reading with comprehension now :P' |
| 22:08.58 | dkr | is 00 > 0? |
| 22:09.02 | eike | :o) |
| 22:09.13 | karsten | dkr: lexically or arithmetically? |
| 22:09.22 | dkr | joingly |
| 22:09.22 | karsten | dkr: echo -e '00\n0' | sort |
| 22:09.43 | karsten | dkr: Lexically, yes, 00 > 0 |
| 22:10.03 | dkr | you really know how to take a joke too far. :) |
| 22:10.24 | karsten | dkr: I *am* a joke taken too far. |
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| 22:12.24 | ouba | perhaps somebody can help me with a pam problem. I cannot change the password, when I try passwd (even for user root), I've got the following error "passwd : Authentication information cannot be recovered" |
| 22:12.34 | eike | blahblahx: there are dozens or hundreds of live cds out there. i guess if you want to produce something competing them, you have to take lots of time anyhow |
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| 22:12.56 | karsten | ouba: 'strace passwd' |
| 22:12.57 | ouba | My configuration use LDAP, but even disabling ldap doesn't resolve the problem |
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| 22:13.08 | blahblahx | [sarcasm] thanks for being helpful [sarcasm] |
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| 22:13.24 | karsten | ouba: What's your auth mechanism? Files? Are you using ldap or NIS? does /etc/nsswitch.conf exist and if so pastebin it. |
| 22:13.26 | xand | emo |
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| 22:13.36 | drasko | hi all. apt-get update hangs like this: 99% [16 Packages rred 20652032] [11 Sources bzip2 6299648] 39.6kB/s 0s |
| 22:13.40 | drasko | any ideas? |
| 22:13.56 | eike | i do think this was instructive, blahblahx... i think it just wasn't what you wanted to hear |
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| 22:13.59 | ouba | karsten: I use LDAP also ... |
| 22:14.19 | ouba | karsten : you want strace + nsswitch + /etc/pam.d/common-* ? |
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| 22:15.19 | keith4 | how do I stop the screen from blanking? using etch and fluxbox |
| 22:15.27 | karsten | drasko: cd /var/lib/apt/lists/; rm *_Packages *.gpg *_Release *.IndexDiff *_Sources |
| 22:15.33 | karsten | drasko: ... and try your update again. |
| 22:15.51 | karsten | ouba: See if strace tells you anything interesting. Check your LDAP server as well. |
| 22:15.58 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i would like to override an option during configure stage when building a package. how would i do it. i did take look at the new maint guide; but it wasn't obvious to me would appreciate some help |
| 22:16.00 | karsten | ouba: Last 100 lines or so of strace output. |
| 22:16.04 | karsten | !tell ouba about pastebin |
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| 22:16.24 | drasko | karsten, and how to kill apt that hanged |
| 22:16.25 | drasko | ? |
| 22:16.32 | solar_sea | ctrl+c |
| 22:17.04 | thelostbutler | i trying to set a different value to --with-statedir when building a package. thx |
| 22:17.13 | ouba | karsten : http://pastebin.com/d1267ef66 |
| 22:17.50 | boulbul | Hi, Please help me install my wifi card on my debian system on an IBM running lenny version. It works fine with etch using driver ipw3945, I can see it installed on synaptic, but do not know what else should I do? |
| 22:17.52 | boulbul | please |
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| 22:17.53 | boulbul | help |
| 22:18.01 | ouba | karsten: in fact, I can login into my server with ldap account, I can "su -" to an ldap account |
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| 22:18.23 | ouba | karsten: I can login with local account and also su - to local account |
| 22:18.41 | ouba | karsten: getent passwd returns all the defined account (both ldap + local) |
| 22:19.09 | ouba | karsten: but I am unable to change any password through passwd command ... |
| 22:19.28 | kombi | was there a time in sarge when libapache2-mod-php4 was compiled --without-mysql? |
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| 22:20.17 | thelostbutler | boulbul: later half of http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 should be helpful |
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| 22:20.29 | kombi | just looked at phpinfo and couldn't believe it.. |
| 22:21.30 | boulbul | thelostbutler: thanks |
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| 22:22.38 | Terminus | kombi: hasn't it always been the case that the module is installed separately? |
| 22:22.52 | boulbul | thelostbutler: I always used ipw drivers on IBM computers... and that is what is recommended |
| 22:22.52 | pickcoder | ouba: is files listed first in nsswitch.conf? |
| 22:22.57 | pickcoder | for passwd |
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| 22:23.14 | boulbul | thelostbutler: I do not think that ndiswraper will solve it |
| 22:23.17 | thelostbutler | boulbul: i said the later half for configuring, i didnt say the first part about the drivers |
| 22:23.18 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 22:23.22 | ouba | pickcoder, i specified compat first |
| 22:23.24 | ouba | then ldap |
| 22:23.30 | boulbul | thelostbutler:ok |
| 22:24.13 | ouba | pickcoder, put files instead of compat doesn't change anything |
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| 22:25.01 | boulbul | thelostbutler: it is about the old driver ipw2200, mine work with ipw3945 |
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| 22:26.33 | ekimus_ | hello, somewhere in the installation manual there was a section on which mountpoints are save to create. can't find it right now iirc it was: /root /usr /var /home. anything missing? |
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| 22:26.49 | amphi | boulbul: what's the problem? for 3945 you need the module, the fw, and the nasty daemon |
| 22:27.03 | thelostbutler | ekimus_: /etc ? |
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| 22:27.17 | Devas | hey all.. i'm installing debian on my notebook but the network card is a pcmcia tamarack, what driver should I use? |
| 22:27.28 | idwer_ | amphi: no, see iwlwifi, that doesn't requires a daemon anymore |
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| 22:28.12 | hugohagogo | ekimus: perhaps you put all eggs in th same basket |
| 22:28.27 | mudder | ekimus_: i usually create mountpoints in /media |
| 22:28.38 | ekimus_ | thelostbutler: /etc? how would you find /etc/fstab to mount the other stuff then? |
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| 22:28.53 | Klipsch | hey guys, i was wondering what is the tool that does source .bash_profile for me on ssh session start? because atm nothing seems to do it i always need to do it myself to see colors, having functional aliases etc... |
| 22:28.56 | ouba | karsten, do you see something wrong ? |
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| 22:29.17 | mikefoo | what is the equivilent to rc.local in debian? i need to just out on line, on startup to run. |
| 22:29.26 | idwer_ | Klipsch: man usermod, change your shell to bash |
| 22:29.33 | dondelelcaro | Klipsch: it's bash that does it. man bash; for details. |
| 22:29.39 | dondelelcaro | idwer_: you can just use chsh for that |
| 22:29.41 | dkr | Klipsch: .bashrc ? |
| 22:29.54 | dkr | well, he said he has to source it, not run bash |
| 22:30.02 | dondelelcaro | Klipsch: specifically, you want to read the INVOCATION section |
| 22:30.06 | idwer_ | dondelelcaro: hm true |
| 22:30.38 | boulbul | amphi: I have it installed. I can see that on synaptic... when I boot using kernel 2.6.18-4-686 it works fine but not with kernel 2.6.21-2-686 |
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| 22:31.04 | cdleonard | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 22:31.08 | thelostbutler | ekimus_: i misunderstood your question. plz disregard my answer. i didn't realize it was typo, you meant safe and not save |
| 22:31.14 | cdleonard | this seems bad |
| 22:31.16 | mikefoo | what is the equivilent to rc.local in debian? i need to just out on line, on startup to run. |
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| 22:31.44 | dondelelcaro | mikefoo: rc.local |
| 22:31.46 | ouba | karsten, I also disable completely ldap (nsswitch, pam.d/common-*) and same behaviour |
| 22:31.49 | karsten | ouba: Sorry, back. |
| 22:32.12 | ekimus_ | mikefoo: there isn't anything ready but there's /etc/init.d/skeleton to copy. after you can simply create a script just make sure it return 0 on success... |
| 22:32.16 | ouba | karsten, no problem :) |
| 22:32.25 | jelly-home | ekimus_: or, there's /etc/rc.local! |
| 22:32.27 | dondelelcaro | ouba: you should have something like compat files in your nsswitch.conf |
| 22:32.46 | Klipsch | how to know what is default shell |
| 22:32.49 | Klipsch | or my current shell |
| 22:32.52 | dondelelcaro | ouba: since you generally want to use libnss-ldap, then fall back to the files if something doesn't exist. |
| 22:32.56 | boulbul | amphi: when I try to start /etc/inet.d/ipw3945 I get |
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| 22:33.06 | dondelelcaro | Klipsch: getent passwd $(id -u) |
| 22:33.09 | abrotman | Klipsch: echo $SHELL |
| 22:33.24 | axolx | anyone knows of an alternative to offlinemap? having trouble finding on google |
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| 22:33.30 | Klipsch | i am already using /bin/bash |
| 22:33.33 | dondelelcaro | axolx: there isn't one, as far as I know |
| 22:33.38 | ouba | dondelelcaro, it doesn't work too :( even with ldap disable, i cannot change pass for local user (root for instance) |
| 22:33.52 | Klipsch | ah n |
| 22:33.55 | axolx | dondelelcaro: that sucks! offlineimap has been giving me major headaches! |
| 22:33.56 | Klipsch | no |
| 22:33.56 | Klipsch | sh |
| 22:34.15 | dondelelcaro | axolx: well, perhaps figuring out what the problem is with offlineimap and resolving them would be a good step |
| 22:34.16 | ekimus_ | jelly-home: no wonder i never saw it. i expected it in /etc/init.d/ :) |
| 22:34.45 | axolx | dondelelcaro: you never get UID problems ? |
| 22:34.47 | jelly-home | ekimus_: yeah, me too |
| 22:34.57 | karsten | ouba: I'm not sure what the problem is, but I smell LDAP issues, perhaps update perms on the LDAP server. |
| 22:35.01 | dondelelcaro | axolx: no, because my imap server doesn't suck. |
| 22:35.08 | dondelelcaro | ouba: how does it fail? |
| 22:35.16 | dondelelcaro | axolx: if you use dovecot, you should be fine. |
| 22:35.20 | ouba | karsten : but if I disable ldap, i still have problem for root |
| 22:35.25 | axolx | dondelelcaro: i dont host my own email |
| 22:35.28 | boulbul | amphi: when I try to start /etc/inet.d/ipw3945 I get an error: Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded. |
| 22:35.30 | amphi | boulbul: beyond what I said, I don't know; I have a 2200bg here |
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| 22:35.43 | ouba | dondelelcaro, passwd : Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 22:35.49 | amphi | boulbul: I guess you must modprobe the module first |
| 22:35.49 | axolx | dondelelcaro: why should only 1 server work. IMAP is a standard |
| 22:35.54 | karsten | ouba: Hrm. |
| 22:35.57 | pickcoder | ouba: try pam_unix_auth.so, pam_unix_acct.so, and pam_unix_passwd.so respectively |
| 22:36.03 | axolx | or protocol :) either way |
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| 22:36.08 | karsten | ouba: I'm stumped, sorry. |
| 22:36.09 | boulbul | ok, is it modprobe ipw3945? |
| 22:36.18 | pickcoder | instead of pam_unix.so |
| 22:36.20 | ouba | karsten, no problem .... |
| 22:36.25 | dondelelcaro | axolx: it works with any imap server which implements UIDs in a consistent fashion. |
| 22:36.26 | drasko | hi all. How can I kill apt-get update which hanged |
| 22:36.28 | drasko | ? |
| 22:36.38 | ouba | pickcoder, could you be more precise, I don't understand what do you want me to do ? |
| 22:36.41 | dondelelcaro | axolx: unfortunatly, the number of IMAP servers which actually do that is unfortunatly small. |
| 22:36.41 | drasko | I tried with kill, but it does not work |
| 22:36.46 | karsten | drasko: 'killall apt-get' as root |
| 22:36.47 | boulbul | amphi: I got this error: Error running install command for ipw3945 |
| 22:36.53 | thelostbutler | can someone please tell me how to pass a value to a config option when building a debian package. i am interested in overiding --with-statedir config value |
| 22:36.53 | axolx | dondelelcaro: is there a way for me to tell what server my host is using short of contacting my host? |
| 22:36.59 | karsten | drasko: 'killall -5' and '-7' next, then try '-9' |
| 22:37.08 | dondelelcaro | axolx: just telnet to the imap server; it should advertise. |
| 22:37.34 | amphi | boulbul: that is not overly informative |
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| 22:37.55 | Klipsch | dondelelcaro why when i do usermod it dosent put users as bash by default |
| 22:37.56 | Klipsch | ? |
| 22:38.01 | boulbul | amphi: please tell me what other info I can give you? |
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| 22:38.17 | axolx | dondelelcaro: courier imap. does it suck? |
| 22:38.19 | karsten | Klipsch: there's a usermod config file somewhere. |
| 22:38.23 | karsten | Klipsch: man usermod |
| 22:38.27 | dondelelcaro | axolx: it has uid issues, yes. |
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| 22:38.30 | ouba | karsten, dondelecaro, pickcoder hum, I delete use_first_pass from pam config file |
| 22:38.32 | ouba | and now it works |
| 22:38.37 | Supaplex | !*YAWN* |
| 22:38.38 | dpkg | somebody said *yawn* was a subliminal contagin in the state of California |
| 22:38.40 | axolx | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:38.47 | Klipsch | ok |
| 22:39.06 | ouba | so now, I will have to reanable ldap ! |
| 22:39.10 | karsten | Klipsch: /etc/default/useradd |
| 22:39.25 | karsten | ouba: Blame PAM. Works for me :) |
| 22:39.32 | drasko | karsten, thanks. It's dead. But now when I try : ls /var/lib/apt/lists, it hangs also. So I can not delete files from there, because rm hans also on that sir |
| 22:39.46 | ouba | karsten : the worst is it worked one day ! |
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| 22:39.47 | axolx | dondelelcaro: how only offlineimap has problems w this though? webmail works fine and the OSX Mail.app also never has problem with the IMAP server |
| 22:39.53 | karsten | drasko: 'dmesg' and look for disk errors. |
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| 22:40.01 | karsten | drasko: Sounds like you've got problems with that directory. |
| 22:40.01 | dondelelcaro | axolx: because offlineimap does a two directional sync |
| 22:40.17 | karsten | ouba: PAM is voodoo majick to me. |
| 22:40.17 | boulbul | amphi: I have pasted my lspci output to this |
| 22:40.18 | boulbul | http://pidgin.im/nopaste/101 |
| 22:40.33 | ouba | karsten, a little bit the same think :) |
| 22:40.41 | dondelelcaro | axolx: if the UIDs change, that means that offlineimap can no longer tell what the correspondence is between the UIDs which have been retrieved previously and modified and the ones on the server. |
| 22:41.00 | drasko | karsten, can I remove the whole dir and create again another with the same name? |
| 22:41.14 | stew_ | dondelelcaro: do you use mutt with offlineimap? |
| 22:41.14 | axolx | dondelelcaro: do you know of a reliable host that uses a good imap server? |
| 22:41.19 | amphi | boulbul: if you say you have an ipw3945, I believe you ;) |
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| 22:41.35 | karsten | drasko: Check for disk errors first. |
| 22:41.46 | dondelelcaro | stew_: yes |
| 22:41.53 | karsten | drasko: dmesg or /var/log/messages should show them. I'd rely on dmesg as any files on disk are suspect. |
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| 22:41.58 | drasko | dmesg gives me: DMA write timed out parport0: FIFO is stuck parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio DMA write timed out |
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| 22:42.12 | karsten | drasko: However /var/log/messages will show timestamps. |
| 22:42.14 | karsten | drasko: Hrm. |
| 22:42.26 | karsten | drasko: That's not disk. parport0 is your parallel port. |
| 22:43.39 | boulbul | amphi: I am looking at my synaptic, I can see that I have module 2.6.18. Would it work with kernel 2.6.22 |
| 22:43.41 | boulbul | ? |
| 22:43.49 | amphi | boulbul: no |
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| 22:44.17 | boulbul | amphi: ok... I see now |
| 22:44.21 | amphi | boulbul: unless you modprobe it with --force-vermagic, which generally leads to a kernel panic AFAICS |
| 22:44.43 | drasko | karsten, when I rebooted I suceeded deleting files from /var/lib/apt/lists. After that apt-get update was ok once, but when I run it again, it hung. |
| 22:44.51 | boulbul | amphi: no, thanks that is too risky. |
| 22:45.42 | amphi | boulbul: it has always resulted in disaster when I've tried it ;) |
| 22:46.02 | amphi | boulbul: but you could build the module for your kernel, with module-assistant, if necessary |
| 22:46.14 | chemist | any idea what I can use to record from spdif input |
| 22:46.39 | karsten | drasko: smells like disk failure |
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| 22:47.29 | drasko | karsten, you mean physically? |
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| 22:47.43 | axolx | dondelelcaro: do you know what servers implement UID correctly besides dovecot, so that i can look for a hosting provider that uses one of those? |
| 22:48.30 | drasko | karsten, is it safe to remove /var/lib/apt/lists and create another one? |
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| 22:49.42 | Jyzygzel- | where is fetchmail configuration files located in debian? |
| 22:49.49 | Jyzygzel- | i cant find them |
| 22:50.03 | cahoot | chemist: ecasound can handle most audio work |
| 22:50.18 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: probably ~/.fetchmailrc |
| 22:50.21 | boulbul | amphi: with module assistance I got an error: 2.6.22-2.-686 not found... what is that I need to install, is it the kernel source? |
| 22:50.39 | pickcoder | boulbul: did you run "prepare"? |
| 22:50.44 | amphi | boulbul: kernel-headers should be enough |
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| 22:50.57 | Jyzygzel- | how the heck do i configure it?? |
| 22:51.06 | Jyzygzel- | ITS EMPTY |
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| 22:51.45 | abrotman | Jyzygzel-: it has a man page |
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| 22:55.36 | kisielk_ | I have a script in /etc/cron.d that's supposed to run every 5 minutes (starts with */5) but it never runs... |
| 22:55.42 | kisielk_ | any idea as to why? |
| 22:55.49 | stoove | what is the best/easiest way to backup a css protected dvd to a iso file? |
| 22:56.03 | ouba | karsten, pickcoder, dondelelcaro, it works ! |
| 22:56.18 | ouba | in fact, i use a filter in my pam_ldap.conf |
| 22:56.25 | ouba | account_status=active |
| 22:56.36 | ouba | and i changed recently into my schema to a boolean value |
| 22:56.44 | ouba | so i need to upgrade to account_status=TRUE in the conf |
| 22:56.48 | ouba | now it works better :) |
| 22:56.53 | ouba | thnks all for your help |
| 22:57.32 | Devas | hey all.. i'm installing debian on my notebook but the network card is a pcmcia tamarack, what driver should I use? tried pcnet_cs without success |
| 22:58.05 | pickcoder | Devas: look at lspci -vn and get the vendor number and device number |
| 22:58.11 | Tramp | kisielk_: how do you know that it doesn't run? |
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| 22:58.28 | kisielk_ | Tramp: because it doesn't seem to do what it should, and also I see nothing in syslog |
| 22:58.31 | Klipsch | by the way, i found a bug with nano. If you use securecrt and a session in xterm, try to read a big file with nano. Then use your arrows to go down the file you will notice that the buffer you see is really really really BAD!! check this out guys! |
| 22:58.42 | boulbul | my |
| 22:59.04 | kisielk_ | Tramp: all the other scripts from /etc/cron.d have a /USR/SBIN/CRON entry in syslog when they run |
| 22:59.31 | Tramp | kisielk_: have it /usr/bin/touch a file in /tmp at the very beginning. |
| 22:59.52 | kisielk_ | Tramp: alright, but if it's the case that it didn't run, then what? |
| 23:00.05 | Tramp | kisielk_: What's the crontab-entry for the file (which crontab) and what's the ls -l of the script? |
| 23:00.05 | stew | kisielk_: note that things in /etc/cron.d would have no path set |
| 23:00.21 | stew | kisielk_: i believe that the files in /etc/cron.d would also need to have a filename compliant with run-parts |
| 23:00.22 | Tramp | kisielk_: then we'll see 8) |
| 23:00.38 | kisielk_ | the script it /etc/cron.d/cacti |
| 23:00.50 | Tramp | kisielk_: that name is ok. |
| 23:01.00 | kisielk_ | it has MAILTO=root as the first line, then */5 * * * * www-data /usr/bin/touch /tmp/cactiran; /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>/var/log/cacti/poller-error.log |
| 23:01.06 | kisielk_ | (I just added the touch part) |
| 23:01.22 | kisielk_ | it came from the cacti package.. |
| 23:01.32 | kisielk_ | so I figure it *should* work, but it's not doing anything |
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| 23:02.25 | pickcoder | kisielk_: try 0-55/5 * * * * |
| 23:02.47 | kisielk_ | pickcoder: well, I have another script which starts with */5 that runs just fine, so I doubt that's the issue |
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| 23:03.12 | pickcoder | file permissions of the script? |
| 23:03.22 | kisielk_ | nope |
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| 23:03.26 | pickcoder | what are they |
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| 23:03.51 | kisielk_ | 644 root:root |
| 23:03.54 | chemist | cahoot: thanks, will give it a try |
| 23:03.55 | kisielk_ | just like everything else |
| 23:04.09 | kisielk_ | cron even seems to pick up the changes to the script |
| 23:04.18 | kisielk_ | since I get "Nov 13 15:01:01 watcher /usr/sbin/cron[13190]: (*system*cacti) RELOAD (/etc/cron.d/cacti)" |
| 23:04.20 | kisielk_ | in my syslog |
| 23:04.28 | DawnLight | i need help with : ERROR opening V4L interface |
| 23:04.28 | DawnLight | : No such device |
| 23:04.30 | kisielk_ | but then there's never any line for the script being run |
| 23:05.07 | cahoot | chemist: something like: ecasound -i alsa,spdif -o test.wav |
| 23:05.25 | ouba | bye |
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| 23:05.53 | kisielk_ | Tramp: well, it doesn't seem to have run... |
| 23:06.07 | pickcoder | kisielk_: why are you redirecting stdout and stderr when you have MAILTO set? |
| 23:06.22 | kisielk_ | pickcoder: I didn't write the script, it came from the cacti package |
| 23:06.37 | kisielk_ | pickcoder: but apparently that script is really verbose, so they don't do mailing |
| 23:06.39 | buu | What package to man pages for things like syscalls and such hide in? |
| 23:06.44 | buu | Er, *do man pages.. |
| 23:06.53 | stew | buu: manpages-dev |
| 23:07.03 | pickcoder | kisielk_: so MAILTO should be null |
| 23:07.05 | pickcoder | not root |
| 23:07.10 | Devas | pickcoder where can i get vendor number? give me an example |
| 23:07.17 | stew | kisielk_: you could try "SHELL=/bin/bash" |
| 23:07.25 | kisielk_ | pickcoder: well, that doesn't make a difference in whether or not the script runs, does it? |
| 23:07.30 | buu | stew: Hot. |
| 23:07.54 | pickcoder | Devas: run lspci to get the bus address of the card |
| 23:08.03 | pickcoder | then run lspci -n to see the vendor/device IDs |
| 23:08.47 | pickcoder | 05:06.0 0200: 8086:107c (rev 05) |
| 23:08.52 | pickcoder | 8086 is the vendor |
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| 23:09.01 | pickcoder | 107c is the device (revision 05) |
| 23:09.49 | stew_ | dani_: thats an e1000 |
| 23:09.56 | stew_ | Devas: ^^ |
| 23:10.04 | pickcoder | that's my card stew |
| 23:10.05 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:10.17 | pickcoder | sample for how to read lspci -n |
| 23:10.21 | stew_ | Devas: pickcoder has an e1000, they are nice cards |
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| 23:10.41 | pickcoder | that box has 2 |
| 23:10.46 | Devas | pickcoder ok: 104c:ac51 |
| 23:10.58 | pickcoder | it's a proxy router. :) |
| 23:11.01 | kisielk_ | hm, that script is still not running.. |
| 23:11.04 | stew_ | that's pcmcia |
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| 23:11.37 | Klipsch | by the way, i found a bug with nano. If you use securecrt and a session in xterm, try to read a big file with nano. Then use your arrows to go down the file you will notice that the buffer you see is really really really BAD!! check this out guys! |
| 23:11.48 | stew_ | kisielk_: what happens when you run "su - www-data -c "/usr/bin/touch /tmp/cactiran; /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php" |
| 23:12.00 | Ronin | Klipsch: sure its a bug in nano and not securecrt etc.? |
| 23:12.01 | Jyzygzel- | how can i access my POP3 mail? |
| 23:12.02 | stew_ | Klipsch: did you report it? /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 23:12.04 | Jyzygzel- | what is a good program for that |
| 23:12.05 | Tramp | kisielk_: hmm. currently no clue, but I'm testing something. |
| 23:12.06 | Jyzygzel- | for console |
| 23:12.06 | kisielk_ | stew_: well, the poller script itself runs fine if I run it as www-data |
| 23:12.17 | kisielk_ | no errors or anything |
| 23:12.27 | kisielk_ | I mean, if this thing was causing an error, I wouldn't mind so much |
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| 23:12.41 | Devas | pickcoder did you get the numbers? |
| 23:12.41 | kisielk_ | ah ha |
| 23:12.43 | kisielk_ | I found the problem |
| 23:12.48 | pickcoder | Devas: that's a cardbus |
| 23:12.54 | kisielk_ | pam_access was blocking www-data |
| 23:13.00 | pickcoder | what's the network card's numbers? |
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| 23:13.11 | handl3r | hallo |
| 23:13.22 | Tramp | kisielk_: found that in auth.log? |
| 23:13.26 | kisielk_ | Tramp: yeah |
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| 23:13.41 | kisielk_ | Tramp: our servers are pretty well hardened so nobody but root and a certain group can log in |
| 23:14.07 | Devas | pickcoder please give me an example again |
| 23:14.14 | Klipsch | Ronin pretty sure... maybe you can test |
| 23:14.22 | pickcoder | 05:06.0 0200: 8086:107c (rev 05) |
| 23:14.25 | TJNII | How do you make a second NIC start at boot? Just edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:14.26 | Ronin | Klipsch: nope, no securecrt/windows here |
| 23:14.33 | pickcoder | third number set is the vendor:device |
| 23:14.35 | Ronin | Klipsch: checked the bts? |
| 23:14.36 | handl3r | I just installed debian from a netinst but now i get "Fatal server error: no screens found" i have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but still no luck |
| 23:14.41 | boulbul | boulbul: module assistant failed |
| 23:14.42 | Klipsch | yes Ronin |
| 23:14.48 | Ronin | and? |
| 23:14.57 | Klipsch | by the way, with pico its fine |
| 23:15.04 | Klipsch | cuz even gentoo it does same for me |
| 23:15.11 | Klipsch | only way is to use pico |
| 23:15.14 | Klipsch | and debian has no pico |
| 23:15.24 | Ronin | Klipsch: which release of debian? |
| 23:15.29 | kisielk_ | Tramp: ironically, I'm setting up this server to monitor syslogs, which would let me catch problems like this |
| 23:15.30 | Klipsch | v4 |
| 23:15.37 | pickcoder | DawnLight: you need the video4linux modules |
| 23:15.38 | boulbul | amphi: thanks for your help, I gave up I got error messages with the module assistance... thanks for your help anyway... I just have to stick with kerel...18 |
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| 23:16.03 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: It does have pico just build the pine source code |
| 23:16.16 | Tramp | kisielk_: well, guess the logs are fine 8) |
| 23:16.18 | DawnLight | pickcoder: they in debian? |
| 23:16.18 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: apt-get -b source pine |
| 23:16.50 | Klipsch | h3sp4wn why no .deb? |
| 23:16.50 | Devas | pickcoder 00:04.0 0607: 104c:ac51 |
| 23:16.52 | pickcoder | DawnLight: aptitude search v4l |
| 23:17.09 | pickcoder | Devas: that's the same PCI cardbus id |
| 23:17.22 | pickcoder | do you not see "Ethernet" somewhere in the lspci list? |
| 23:17.42 | Ronin | Klipsch: licensing issue if i recall correctly |
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| 23:18.18 | Devas | pickcoder i have another number here |
| 23:18.21 | Devas | pickcoder 00:04.1 0607: 104c:ac51 |
| 23:18.26 | stew | Klipsch: pine/pico are not in debian becuase they are non-free |
| 23:18.30 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: Yep licensing - Not sure whether pico is still included in alpine or not (if it is you can get alpine from backports or lenny/sid) |
| 23:18.45 | pickcoder | Devas: you have two cardbus slots then |
| 23:18.50 | Klipsch | apt-get -b source pine dosent work |
| 23:19.01 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: you would have to add non-free |
| 23:19.01 | pickcoder | apparently nothing is in them, if you don't see the card listed in lspci |
| 23:19.09 | h3sp4wn | !tell Klipsch about non-free |
| 23:19.10 | pickcoder | or the card/slot is borked |
| 23:19.24 | stew | h3sp4wn: there is a package named 'pine' in non-free? |
| 23:19.25 | Devas | pickcoder with -vn i can't see names, only -v |
| 23:19.33 | h3sp4wn | stew: apt-cache madison pine |
| 23:19.35 | Jyzygzel- | what is a good POP3 program |
| 23:19.36 | pickcoder | just do lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 23:19.47 | h3sp4wn | stew: the source is there (I told him how to build it earlier) |
| 23:19.50 | neotic | Jyzygzel-: courier-pop3d? daemon or client? |
| 23:20.04 | Jyzygzel- | i don't know |
| 23:20.09 | Jyzygzel- | i want my pop3 mail |
| 23:20.10 | neotic | don't ask then |
| 23:20.12 | Jyzygzel- | in one way or another |
| 23:20.18 | Jyzygzel- | to mutt? |
| 23:20.20 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: actually you will need the deb-src lines as well |
| 23:20.21 | Jyzygzel- | how the heck should i know |
| 23:20.34 | Jyzygzel- | thats why im asking |
| 23:20.35 | neotic | Jyzygzel-: http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2001-09/msg00111.html |
| 23:20.40 | Jyzygzel- | there are ppl who know |
| 23:20.47 | neotic | Jyzygzel-: google first ;P mutt +pop3 |
| 23:20.47 | Klipsch | hhee h3sp4wn you lost me there |
| 23:20.50 | stew | ahh, was only looking at binary packages |
| 23:21.00 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: e.g - deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:22.06 | Devas | pickcoder nothing, i'll switch to windows and see if it is working properly |
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| 23:22.22 | pickcoder | Devas: pastebin your lspci list |
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| 23:22.43 | Jyzygzel- | jesus fucking christ |
| 23:22.46 | Jyzygzel- | mutt sux |
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| 23:23.07 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: or you can get alpine-pico from backports.org - http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/alpine-pico |
| 23:23.23 | stew | yes, and mutt claims that it sucks itself. it claims however that it sucks less than all the other MUAs |
| 23:23.32 | Jyzygzel- | "oh you wanna send mail, well mutt can only do that with special plugin" |
| 23:23.42 | Jyzygzel- | "oh now you wanna read mail, WELL you need couple plugins" |
| 23:23.51 | stew | Jyzygzel-: these things you are saying are not true |
| 23:23.59 | tminos | I think the latest mutt has SMTP support now, actually. |
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| 23:24.18 | Jyzygzel- | i tryed to install this fetchmail |
| 23:24.19 | handl3r | I just installed debian from a netinst but now i get "Fatal server error: no screens found" i have done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but still no luck |
| 23:24.24 | Jyzygzel- | it was horrible piece of shit |
| 23:24.37 | Ronin | heh Jyzygzel- do you like anything? |
| 23:24.41 | stew | Jyzygzel-: do you have a question? |
| 23:24.48 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 23:24.53 | Jyzygzel- | why doesn't the fetchmail work |
| 23:25.07 | stew | Jyzygzel-: can you be more specific? |
| 23:25.10 | pickcoder | Jyzygzel-: obviously you fully understand all of the tools you've slandered.. right? |
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| 23:25.12 | h3sp4wn | mutt is fine (darn site easier than getting maildir to work with pine) |
| 23:25.16 | Jyzygzel- | well i cant see nothing nowhere |
| 23:25.25 | stew | Jyzygzel-: how did you try to run fetchmail? |
| 23:25.28 | Jyzygzel- | i think i started the daemon |
| 23:25.35 | Jyzygzel- | since then there has been nothing |
| 23:25.36 | stew | Jyzygzel-: how did you start the daemon? |
| 23:25.50 | Jyzygzel- | from init.d/ |
| 23:25.54 | Jyzygzel- | fetchmail start |
| 23:26.14 | stew | Jyzygzel-: have you checked /var/log/mail.log for errors? |
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| 23:26.32 | handl3r | Why do i keep getting "no screens found" when i try to boot debian? |
| 23:27.00 | Jyzygzel- | Nov 14 01:05:46 localhost fetchmail[29278]: SMTP error: 451 4.3.0 Temporary system failure. Please try again later. |
| 23:27.19 | neotic | Jyzygzel-: if you think fetchmail is a pain in the ass to config, you should try sendmail :D |
| 23:27.30 | Jyzygzel- | i already tried |
| 23:27.30 | stew | Jyzygzel-: this means that fetchmail tried to hand off mail to your local MTA and it is not working |
| 23:27.34 | Jyzygzel- | just uninstalled it |
| 23:27.34 | mbroeker | handl3r, sounds like a misconfigured xorg.conf ... |
| 23:27.35 | pickcoder | sendmail isn't an MUA |
| 23:27.40 | Jyzygzel- | it was horrible |
| 23:27.43 | stew | Jyzygzel-: which MTA are you running? |
| 23:27.47 | Jyzygzel- | exim4 |
| 23:27.52 | Jyzygzel- | i think |
| 23:28.05 | Jyzygzel- | or the other one |
| 23:28.10 | Jyzygzel- | yea i think its the otehr one |
| 23:28.15 | stew | Jyzygzel-: are you intending to use exim's delivery? or a MDA such as procmail or maildrop? |
| 23:28.17 | Jyzygzel- | the one that name i don't remember |
| 23:28.22 | Jyzygzel- | not sendmail |
| 23:28.24 | Jyzygzel- | something other |
| 23:28.24 | pickcoder | postfix |
| 23:28.25 | handl3r | mbroeker: i ran dpkg reconfigure xserver-sorg |
| 23:28.27 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
| 23:28.30 | Jyzygzel- | postfix is the one |
| 23:28.35 | pickcoder | ps ax| grep master |
| 23:28.41 | pickcoder | if master is running then it's postfix |
| 23:28.41 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" return? |
| 23:28.49 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 23:28.52 | handl3r | mbroeker: still get the same thing |
| 23:28.56 | Jyzygzel- | oistfix |
| 23:29.00 | Jyzygzel- | postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 23:29.25 | stew | Jyzygzel-: are you intending to use postfix's default local delivery or use an MDA like procmail or maildrop? |
| 23:29.49 | Jyzygzel- | neither |
| 23:30.01 | Devas | pickcoder lspci | grep Ethernet shows nothing, could it be caused by "low memory mode"? |
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| 23:30.03 | stew | Jyzygzel-: you're all set then |
| 23:30.06 | stew | its using neither |
| 23:30.15 | Jyzygzel- | well its not working |
| 23:30.23 | Jyzygzel- | i can't see any mail in my mutt |
| 23:30.36 | stew | Jyzygzel-: i'm guessing you want postfix to deliever the mail then? |
| 23:30.39 | mbroeker | handl3r, you can paste your xorg.conf AND the corresponding error messages to your prefered nopaste-server. it makes things easier... |
| 23:30.43 | Jyzygzel- | maybe |
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| 23:30.52 | Jyzygzel- | if that gets my mail then yea |
| 23:31.13 | handl3r | mbroeker umm i dont really have a way to do that, its on another computer |
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| 23:32.20 | Jyzygzel- | well |
| 23:32.23 | mbroeker | handl3r, ok look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:32.25 | Jyzygzel- | something is broken fosho |
| 23:32.27 | Jyzygzel- | i don't know what |
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| 23:32.45 | codazoda | I've got a modem installed under Deb. I think I have the drivers all worked out, because minicom gives me OK to "at". But, when I try to "atdt1234567" I get "NO CARRIER". My Googleing is turning up just junk about PPP setups. Any idea's where I might look for details? |
| 23:32.49 | Jyzygzel- | so fetchmail should get the shit from the mail server |
| 23:32.52 | Jyzygzel- | give it to postfix |
| 23:32.56 | Jyzygzel- | and postfix gives it to mutt |
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| 23:33.05 | Jyzygzel- | seems very unlikely that that is goin to happen |
| 23:33.09 | Jyzygzel- | i mean thats 3 programs |
| 23:33.28 | Jyzygzel- | none of them is properly configured |
| 23:33.37 | Jyzygzel- | cause i have no idea how to configure them |
| 23:33.38 | mbroeker | handl3r, and take a look into your generated /etc/X11/xorg.conf ( look for a line like Section "Screen" ... |
| 23:33.43 | Jyzygzel- | they ask so damn hard questions |
| 23:34.04 | handl3r | mbroeker: ok what should i be looking for in the log??? |
| 23:34.34 | Jyzygzel- | again who designed this system |
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| 23:34.42 | Jyzygzel- | its bullshit |
| 23:34.42 | Zippy2 | codazoda: is your phone line connected and active? |
| 23:34.55 | codazoda | Zippy2, It is, yes. |
| 23:34.59 | Jyzygzel- | always when there is lots of programs that have to co-operate |
| 23:35.02 | Jyzygzel- | it gets too hard |
| 23:35.02 | mbroeker | handl3r, there are proper error messages at the end. if not, everything in the xserver is fine and it should work :) |
| 23:35.05 | codazoda | Tried 2 different cords, to be sure. |
| 23:35.08 | Jyzygzel- | like the Cups + Samba |
| 23:35.12 | Jyzygzel- | you never get it to work |
| 23:35.15 | stew | Jyzygzel-: cna you show us the line from fetchmailrc without the passwords? |
| 23:35.27 | stew | Jyzygzel-: please don't use enter so much, and please keep your comments constructvive |
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| 23:35.57 | |DuReX| | when u recompile a kernel, and u do make modules_install, does it overwrite the existing modules or not ? |
| 23:36.00 | Jyzygzel- | poll pop.foo.bar protocol POP3 user "TESTING" there with password "TESTER" |
| 23:36.20 | handl3r | mbroeker: "(EE) No devices detected." and "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 23:36.36 | stew | Jyzygzel-: it seems to me that fetchmail receives the email correctly, and hands off email to postfix and postfix doesn't want to deliver it. its unclear so far if it is becuase postfix isn't setup correctly or if fetchmail is asking it to do something invalid |
| 23:36.44 | codazoda | Modems use to come with nice big manuals. We use to have to work out the best init string to get our BBS up and running. Now they just tell us the chipset (if we're lucky). :) |
| 23:36.49 | mbroeker | handl3r, well, your xorg-config is screwed up. retry it |
| 23:37.27 | stew | Jyzygzel-: what is the name of the user on your system that you want this mail to be delievered to? |
| 23:37.28 | handl3r | mbroeker: with? dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 23:37.49 | hdevalence | hey, if I did something like 'apt-cache search expression | cut -d' ' -f1 , how would I pass that into apt-get? |
| 23:37.53 | Jyzygzel- | stew aids |
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| 23:38.23 | Momerath616 | I'm having an issue with Nautilus. Every time I try to access a directory outside of my home directory it crashes. |
| 23:38.25 | Klipsch | h3sp4wn i did apt-get -b source pine |
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| 23:38.34 | Klipsch | h3sp4wn but it didnt installed |
| 23:38.37 | h3sp4wn | Klipsch: and dpkg -i the deb's ? |
| 23:38.38 | Klipsch | only compiled i think |
| 23:38.38 | mbroeker | handl3r, seems to be a good idea dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:38.42 | stew | Jyzygzel-: add to the end of that line "is user aids here" |
| 23:38.44 | Klipsch | ah ok |
| 23:39.00 | Jyzygzel- | what is that |
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| 23:39.19 | hermogenes | hdevalence: apt-get install $('...') |
| 23:39.21 | handl3r | mbroeker: okay, got the same thing... :( |
| 23:39.28 | stew | Jyzygzel-: that says that the user named TESTING on the remote site should have his mail delivered to aids on the local machine |
| 23:39.29 | humbolto | Is there a way to boot form USB if the BIOS does not support it? |
| 23:39.42 | Momerath616 | Anyone else have this problem before? |
| 23:39.53 | Jyzygzel- | ok i added |
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| 23:39.58 | Jyzygzel- | how do i try fetch the mail |
| 23:40.21 | humbolto | When I have a bootable image for an USB stick, what do I need to do, to be able to put this image on a normal HDD partition and boot from it? beside dd if= of=. that part is clear. |
| 23:41.14 | Klipsch | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:41.23 | Devas | i'm trying to install my pcmcia ethernet card, but "lspci | grep Ethernet" shows nothing, could it be caused by "low memory mode"? |
| 23:41.29 | stew | Jyzygzel-: can you try to run "echo test | sendmail aids" look at the mail.log and see if that successfully delivers mail to the aids user or if it puts a similar 451 error into the mail.log |
| 23:41.33 | Klipsch | and still cant use pico h3sp4wn lol |
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| 23:42.35 | mbroeker | handl3r, what kind of gpu do you have? |
| 23:42.42 | Jyzygzel- | postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 23:42.49 | Jyzygzel- | well ofc its not gonna work |
| 23:42.51 | Jyzygzel- | it never had :-D |
| 23:42.52 | handl3r | mbroeker: ati x700pro |
| 23:43.05 | Jyzygzel- | the post system has always been broken |
| 23:43.10 | Jyzygzel- | noone knows how to configure it |
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| 23:44.56 | mbroeker | handl3r, i think its best to ask someone with an ati card for his/her config. |
| 23:45.02 | Jyzygzel- | apt-get remove mail |
| 23:45.13 | handl3r | mbroeker: ok |
| 23:45.13 | Jyzygzel- | i hate the whole mail system |
| 23:45.15 | Jyzygzel- | it sux so bad |
| 23:45.24 | Jyzygzel- | --purge! |
| 23:45.25 | stew | Jyzygzel-: do you intend to send mail out from this machine as well? |
| 23:45.30 | stew | Jyzygzel-: please stop |
| 23:45.38 | Jyzygzel- | mail out |
| 23:45.38 | Jyzygzel- | sure |
| 23:45.46 | Jyzygzel- | would be nice to send mail |
| 23:45.55 | stew | Jyzygzel-: do you know if your isp allows you to or do you have to use their smart host? |
| 23:46.05 | Jyzygzel- | i have to use their host |
| 23:46.30 | Jyzygzel- | i discovered that you cannot send mail in LAN |
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| 23:46.42 | Jyzygzel- | it wont route correctly |
| 23:46.45 | stew | Jyzygzel-: "dpkg-reconfigure postfix" choose "Internet with smarthost" |
| 23:47.02 | Jyzygzel- | c how could have i known that ;< |
| 23:47.02 | mbroeker | handl3r, where did you find the driver for your card? |
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| 23:47.13 | stew | Jyzygzel-: /msg dpkg reference |
| 23:47.22 | Jyzygzel- | "mail name" |
| 23:47.32 | Jyzygzel- | i have no idea |
| 23:47.40 | stew | Jyzygzel-: use your hostname |
| 23:47.47 | Jyzygzel- | what is my hostname? |
| 23:47.50 | handl3r | mbroeker: im just using the ati one that came with the install |
| 23:47.56 | Devas | stew could you help me later? |
| 23:47.58 | Jyzygzel- | can i just write something very random to this |
| 23:48.08 | stew | Devas: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 23:48.25 | THC4k | hi, i'm trying to install matplotlib with aptitude, which likes to install tex, which in turn wants to install support for every language on the planet ... whats wrong there, can i limit it to just one language? |
| 23:48.27 | Jyzygzel- | my hostname changes |
| 23:48.30 | Jyzygzel- | its dynamic |
| 23:48.38 | stew | Jyzygzel-: how do you change your hostname? |
| 23:48.41 | Jyzygzel- | curl whatismyip.org usually works |
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| 23:48.53 | Jyzygzel- | to get the newest |
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| 23:49.05 | DawnLight | checkip.dyndns.com |
| 23:49.10 | Jyzygzel- | yea |
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| 23:49.18 | Jyzygzel- | whatever floats your boat |
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| 23:49.22 | stew | Jyzygzel-: not your ip address, but your hostname. what is returned by "hostname --fqdn"? |
| 23:49.34 | Jyzygzel- | isn't that a same think? |
| 23:49.36 | Jyzygzel- | thing* |
| 23:49.38 | stew | no |
| 23:49.41 | Jyzygzel- | ic |
| 23:49.58 | Jyzygzel- | localhost.localdomain |
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| 23:50.10 | Jyzygzel- | every OS has the domain and hostname thing |
| 23:50.14 | Jyzygzel- | i never learned what they mean |
| 23:50.43 | Jyzygzel- | i know that you caan buy domains |
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| 23:50.56 | Jyzygzel- | but it probably does not mean those domains |
| 23:51.13 | ttick | Just installed etch/lenny again. Now, for some reason my laptop fan is on all the time. No idea why. Not even blowing warm air. When I unplug it, the fan will stop after about 30sec. Any idea where I might check the fan control settings? |
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| 23:52.16 | Jyzygzel- | but yea.. |
| 23:52.26 | Jyzygzel- | the mailname |
| 23:52.28 | Jyzygzel- | no idea |
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| 23:53.10 | Jyzygzel- | Your `mail name' is the hostname portion of the address to be shown on outgoing news and mail messages (following the username and @ sign). |
| 23:53.22 | mbroeker | handl3r, try this page first: ( you can enter it by hand if you cannot copy it to your working machine) lspci -n | grep ati |
| 23:53.27 | Jyzygzel- | i mean wtf |
| 23:53.38 | DawnLight | should showing me the webcam capture live be taking 100% cpu? |
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| 23:53.45 | Jyzygzel- | why doesn't it tell can i just put anything in in |
| 23:53.54 | Jyzygzel- | or MAYBE so i have to put something in it |
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| 23:54.08 | Jyzygzel- | im gonna use billgates |
| 23:54.13 | handl3r | mbroeker: okay i did that but nothing came up |
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| 23:54.54 | mbroeker | handl3r, hum, copy the value with ati in its name into that form... |
| 23:55.12 | Devas | i'm trying to install my pcmcia ethernet card, but "lspci | grep Ethernet" shows nothing, could it be caused by "low memory mode"? |
| 23:55.23 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i pull samba from experimental i have the source added to my apt.sources and am doing apt-get install -t experimental samba? but its not upgrading it |
| 23:55.38 | handl3r | mbroeker: is there a way to scroll up in a ttyl |
| 23:55.43 | stew | Jyzygzel-: this is the mailname that will appear in the Received: headers and the HELO when your MTA sends mail to the smarthost. if you have a fully qualified hostname, (such as yourcomputer.yourdomain.com) you should put it here. if you are using a smarthost, this likely doesn't matter too much |
| 23:55.52 | stew | handl3r: shift-pgup |
| 23:56.06 | Jyzygzel- | stew i just wrote "billgates" |
| 23:56.08 | handl3r | ok |
| 23:56.18 | Jyzygzel- | im just hitting enter |
| 23:56.26 | Jyzygzel- | i have no idea what these questions mean |
| 23:56.33 | stew | Jyzygzel-: if you have questions, just ask |
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| 23:56.35 | Jyzygzel- | but i knew the one that asked me about SMTP |
| 23:56.47 | Jyzygzel- | i used the one my ISP gave me |
| 23:56.56 | Jyzygzel- | these other questions.. no idea |
| 23:57.39 | handl3r | mbroeker: what value? i dont see any |
| 23:57.44 | mbroeker | well its complicated, handl3r |
| 23:57.46 | hdevalence | how do I get apt to prefer packages from one repo over another |
| 23:58.02 | mbroeker | damn |
| 23:58.17 | stew | hdevalence: are they two different repositories for the same release? or different releases? or what? |
| 23:58.17 | mbroeker | handl3r, enter lspci without parameters |
| 23:58.28 | Jyzygzel- | stew well its set up |
| 23:58.33 | handl3r | mbroeker: okay i get a lot of hex numbers |
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| 23:59.01 | Smerdyakov | How can I determine programmatically whether a package is installed? |
| 23:59.08 | stew | Jyzygzel-: run "echo test | sendmail aids" and tell me if it puts a sucess or failure message in the log file |
| 23:59.23 | themill | Smerdyakov: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 23:59.30 | Jyzygzel- | stew the same error |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | !inout |
| 23:59.32 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 23:59.33 | stew | Smerdyakov: ^^^ or dpkg -s packagename |
| 23:59.37 | hdevalence | stew: I'm running a vm to test kde4, so I'm using experimental, but I also need sid to get packages that aren't in experimental. |
| 23:59.48 | mbroeker | can you query me or can i query you? |
| 23:59.51 | mbroeker | handl3r, ^^ |
| 23:59.56 | themill | Smerdyakov: or dpkg -l packagename |
| 23:59.57 | handl3r | ya |
