| 00:00.00 | Devas | stew is there a way to install debian with out low memory mode? |
| 00:00.06 | Devas | without* sorry |
| 00:00.17 | handl3r | mbroeker: go ahead |
| 00:00.19 | hdevalence | stew: It's specifically for the purpose of testing KDE4, so I'm not worried about stability... |
| 00:00.26 | mbroeker | handl3r, do you see my query? |
| 00:00.31 | stew | Jyzygzel-: can you put the errors from the mail.log into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:00.43 | Jyzygzel- | postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 00:00.45 | Smerdyakov | A calvacade of suggestions. Thanks. :-) |
| 00:00.45 | stew | hdevalence: man apt_preferences |
| 00:00.53 | Jyzygzel- | apt-get install postdrop? |
| 00:00.53 | handl3r | mbroeker: yes i saw it |
| 00:01.02 | Jyzygzel- | no |
| 00:01.08 | Jyzygzel- | even the local mail is not working? |
| 00:01.29 | Supaplex | abrotman: if only it was an rss feed. :) http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 00:01.32 | Jyzygzel- | lol |
| 00:01.35 | Jyzygzel- | thats pathetic |
| 00:01.54 | abrotman | Supaplex: it'd be way way too much info :) |
| 00:02.00 | Jyzygzel- | wtf |
| 00:02.09 | Jyzygzel- | stew why are we using sendmail? |
| 00:02.13 | Jyzygzel- | i don't even have it |
| 00:02.43 | Jyzygzel- | i have postfix |
| 00:02.58 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 00:02.58 | dpkg | sendmail loses mail |
| 00:03.14 | stew | Jyzygzel-: we are using the sendmail binary from postfix in order to try to send mail locally |
| 00:03.23 | Jyzygzel- | well damn |
| 00:03.28 | Jyzygzel- | the local mail is not working |
| 00:03.32 | Jyzygzel- | for an unknown reason |
| 00:03.44 | Jyzygzel- | postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 00:03.47 | Jyzygzel- | doesn't really help |
| 00:04.39 | Supaplex | Jyzygzel-: try apt-get install --reinstall postfix |
| 00:05.21 | stew | Jyzygzel-: does "ps aux | grep master" show /usr/lib/postfix/master as running? |
| 00:05.23 | Supaplex | dpkg-reconfigure if you need to reconfigure it after reinstall. hopefully the reinstall will help adjust some permissions to |
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| 00:11.28 | mignish | Could someone tell me where to find the file telling debian what apps to start on startup... using System > Sessions doesn't work... it won't hold |
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| 00:12.57 | melodosgr | hi guys! is there any nvidia onliner for lenny? |
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| 00:13.12 | themill | melodosgr: nvidia isn't in lenny |
| 00:13.20 | themill | melodosgr: so, no.... |
| 00:13.28 | melodosgr | ? |
| 00:13.51 | melodosgr | what do you mean isnt in lenny? |
| 00:13.58 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-816174f32ba98061bdd68615838ee453646721f1 |
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| 00:15.06 | melodosgr | i dont get this as ive always using etch and ive just used that onliner and did pretty much everything for me. is everything i need in this link? |
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| 00:16.39 | arash | really n00b question, how do I find out the latest version of a package using apt without actually downloading it? |
| 00:17.38 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:17.38 | themill | arash: apt-get update; apt-cache policy packagename |
| 00:17.46 | themill | arash: or from packages.debian.org |
| 00:17.52 | Supaplex | arash: or apt-get -s |
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| 00:18.27 | themill | arash: the -s argument to apt-get is to "simulate" so it will show you what it will do (including the version numbers) |
| 00:18.42 | themill | arash: if you want to know what the changes are, then consider installing the package apt-listchanges |
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| 00:19.06 | arash | themill: perfect, thanks |
| 00:19.16 | mignish | Could someone tell me how to get an app to load on startup... System > Sessions isn't working... it doesn't save my input. |
| 00:20.08 | Devas | somebody help-me please =( |
| 00:20.24 | Devas | i'm trying to install my pcmcia ethernet card, but "lspci | grep Ethernet" shows nothing, could it be caused by "low memory mode"? |
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| 00:23.23 | themill | mignish: what application? |
| 00:23.35 | mignish | fusion-icon |
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| 00:23.54 | admin_ | anyone know when DL'ing a webpage with wget how to also make it DL the pics |
| 00:23.55 | mignish | When I close session and open it, what I added is already gone. |
| 00:24.08 | mignish | themill, fusion-icon and compiz fusion work fine though. |
| 00:24.10 | Maulkin | admin_: read the man page |
| 00:24.24 | mignish | lol |
| 00:24.46 | admin_ | nothing is in the man page about it |
| 00:24.47 | admin_ | <.< |
| 00:25.33 | themill | admin_: look at the -p option more carefully then |
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| 00:26.07 | admin_ | ;) |
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| 00:26.47 | themill | admin_: you probably also want -k, iirc. |
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| 00:28.02 | themill | admin_: the example section specifically lists that as an example... you might like to practice your manpage reading skills too.... although I will grant that wget has a particularly long manpage. |
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| 00:29.08 | Gargantua | Hi |
| 00:29.20 | melodosgr | themill: ive tried everything.. how the heck to i get that kernel for nvidia on lenny :( |
| 00:29.26 | Gargantua | I was hoping someone could help me with a dependcy quesiton? |
| 00:29.37 | stew | Gargantua: just ask |
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| 00:29.54 | Gargantua | Ok, I need the application "kppp", and I don't have kde on my debian install. |
| 00:29.59 | Gargantua | how would I go about getting it? |
| 00:30.10 | karsten | Gargantua: Install it. |
| 00:30.15 | karsten | Gargantua: aptitude install kppp |
| 00:30.55 | karsten | Gargantua: aptitude will satisfy any necessary deps. You don't need to be running a KDE desktop to run KDE apps. You *will* need the relevant KDE / Qt libraries though. |
| 00:31.00 | Gargantua | karsten, I don't have internet on my debian install... I really need to get it as a package :\ |
| 00:31.03 | melodosgr | guys how do i get nvidia for lenny? :( |
| 00:31.09 | karsten | !tell Gargantua about apt-zip |
| 00:31.22 | Gargantua | what is the latest release of debian? I have etch, is that decent? |
| 00:31.22 | karsten | Gargantua: Not strictly necessary, though it makes life much easier if you do. |
| 00:31.27 | karsten | !release |
| 00:31.27 | dpkg | release is, like, Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 00:31.28 | themill | melodosgr: as I said, there's no nvidia packages in lenny. You have to do a lenny/sid mix and pull them out of sid as described on that link. I don't use nvidia so I can't tell you any more. |
| 00:31.52 | karsten | Gargantua: Got to head to a meeting, ask channel for further questions. |
| 00:32.12 | Gargantua | later |
| 00:32.34 | Gargantua | that still doesnt cover how I would get it without internet on the deb install :\ |
| 00:32.50 | karsten | Gargantua: apt-zip |
| 00:32.56 | karsten | Gargantua: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
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| 00:33.08 | Gargantua | I don't have ANY linux system with internet on it. |
| 00:33.22 | Devas | damn kernel bug =/ |
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| 00:33.29 | karsten | !tell Gargantua about knoppix |
| 00:33.36 | karsten | Gargantua: Get one. That's your problem. |
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| 00:33.48 | Maulkin | Whaty? |
| 00:33.53 | Gargantua | ... |
| 00:34.05 | Gargantua | I can't get my internet to work with linux.. dialup |
| 00:34.05 | Maulkin | Gargantua: you can download the CD or DVD sets if you don't have a net connection |
| 00:34.13 | karsten | Gargantua: There's plenty of bootable Linux systems you can get. Knloppix, Damn Small Linux, etc., for starters. |
| 00:34.14 | Gargantua | Maulkin, of WHAT? |
| 00:34.21 | Gargantua | I have debian INSATLLED |
| 00:34.22 | k_vv | hello...could anyone tell me how can i downgrade package in debian ? |
| 00:34.24 | Maulkin | Gargantua: Debian |
| 00:34.27 | Gargantua | I just need kppp |
| 00:34.30 | petemc | Gargantua: have you tried pppconfig? |
| 00:34.32 | Maulkin | Gargantua: What, the whole of Debian? |
| 00:34.33 | abrotman | what kind of bug is a request to move it from contrib to main ? |
| 00:34.37 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
| 00:34.37 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 00:34.40 | karsten | Gargantua: Get the Debian install disks, complete set. |
| 00:34.44 | petemc | Gargantua: or perhaps pppoeconfig |
| 00:34.45 | Maulkin | abrotman: wishlist |
| 00:34.50 | karsten | abrotman: That sounds like an abrotman bug to me. |
| 00:34.51 | Gargantua | karsten, I have the dvd :\ |
| 00:34.57 | abrotman | though .. i need to confirm another possible bug before that happens |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | themill: do you have contrib sources? |
| 00:35.40 | themill | yep |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | themill: do you have gij-4.2 installed? |
| 00:36.03 | k_vv | i see this is the same problem with every binary distro :/ |
| 00:36.17 | themill | !gentoosmite k_vv |
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| 00:37.11 | k_vv | themill: i know...i use gen2 for 3 years...but now i have to use fedora and it is very annoying system :/ |
| 00:37.23 | Gargantua | use slackware |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | gen2? that may be the worst yet |
| 00:37.43 | k_vv | yeah...no dependency check...jupi ;] |
| 00:37.54 | themill | abrotman: yes |
| 00:38.00 | Gargantua | k_vv, no dependency, period. |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | themill: java --version .. is it gij or sun ? |
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| 00:38.32 | k_vv | abrotman: gen2 has the most flexible package management i have ever seen...i miss that on other distros |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | jesus .. that's so moronic |
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| 00:39.22 | themill | abrotman: sun... I've been doing some java packaging that needs the sun compiler. |
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| 00:39.35 | themill | abrotman: (and it's -version not --version for java... silly sun) |
| 00:39.37 | abrotman | themill: could you temporarily update-alternatives --config java ? |
| 00:39.44 | abrotman | themill: in gij it's --version |
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| 00:40.16 | abrotman | themill: (note .. you also have to install dguitar ) |
| 00:40.27 | themill | abrotman: hmm.... gij is supposed to be command line compatible with sun java... |
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| 00:40.39 | abrotman | themill: well .. apparently that's yet another bug |
| 00:40.51 | themill | abrotman: alternatives updated |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | themill: install "dguitar" .. then just try to run it .. see if you get a vendor string mismatch |
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| 00:42.06 | abrotman | i'm sure it's not a widely used package .. but if it says it should work with gij .. it probably should at least function :) |
| 00:42.21 | Gargantua | does kppp need ppp to start with? |
| 00:42.22 | themill | abrotman: fya gij supports both -version and --version; sun java only does -version |
| 00:42.32 | abrotman | themill: oh .. that's silly |
| 00:43.04 | themill | abrotman: I get one horribly misshapen dialogue that says "Warning - incorrect Java vendor found" |
| 00:43.10 | abrotman | right .. me too |
| 00:43.13 | Spida | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397872 <- i am looking for a workaround/fix for that bug.... |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | i wonder if that's a dguitar issue or gij |
| 00:44.14 | themill | abrotman: I'll punt on dguitar having some dodgy deps |
| 00:44.26 | abrotman | i don't thikn the deps are the problem |
| 00:44.35 | abrotman | i just don't know anything else like dguitar that runs on java to test |
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| 00:46.17 | Unwise | gm |
| 00:46.28 | themill | abrotman: the check is in the dguitar sources |
| 00:46.28 | themill | abrotman: I'm on #debian-java atm -- want me to ping them on this? |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | themill: i tried yesterday .. they're quiet :) |
| 00:46.51 | infernix | hello men. does anyone know of a nice procmail frontend (pref. ncurses but X would work) or an easier replacement? my procmailrc is growing way too large to keep track of it all |
| 00:47.07 | infernix | i'd use ingo but i'm reluctant to install LAMP just for the horde framework |
| 00:47.28 | themill | abrotman: it's never a full channel... but it's a bit understrength compared to normal. |
| 00:48.48 | themill | abrotman: anyway, dguitar claims that free java will run the package in its deps but then barfs on free java, so that's a dguitar bug. dguitar/gui/DGuitar.java line 444 and 451 |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | themill: let me look |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | themill: yeah . guess it's a dguitar bug |
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| 00:51.16 | abrotman | right after dindin! |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | themill: thanks |
| 00:51.32 | abrotman | i should have just checked the source to start with .. but who'd have thought they'd hardcode the vendor string |
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| 00:52.51 | themill | abrotman: it's a pretty strange thing to do, I must say. But there it is. Yuck. |
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| 00:55.51 | fuzza | hi all |
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| 01:00.48 | themill | abrotman: ;rlbab. |
| 01:00.50 | themill | gah |
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| 01:01.16 | themill | abrotman: probably a good thing that dguitar has that check in there as it runs like a train wreck under free java anyway. |
| 01:01.17 | abrotman | totally get it.. wait .. no i don't |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | themill: then the dep should be fixed so that it only works with sun java |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | wait .. don't must things run like a trainwreck on gij ? |
| 01:01.58 | themill | yeah well |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:02.17 | themill | abrotman: yes, and the script in /usr/bin needs some magic in it to make sure it uses sun java even if gij is the currently selected alternative. |
| 01:02.33 | abrotman | well ... i'm staying out of that .. |
| 01:02.42 | themill | abrotman: the scripts for tuxguitar and jabref do that nicely. |
| 01:02.45 | moleprince | Hello. When using the debian testing installer from June 07, I get to the Detect Disks part, and it scans for disks then goes back to the menu without loading a partitioner. What am I doing wrong please? |
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| 01:02.57 | themill | abrotman: you could suggest that to the maintainer ;) |
| 01:03.03 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 01:03.12 | SamuraiDio | i'm having problems with swt |
| 01:03.54 | abrotman | themill: that's all you! .. my knowledge of java is that it starts with a 'j' |
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| 01:03.54 | dondelelcaro | moleprince: if you're using expert or have otherwise stepped out of the normal path, it revisits the menu after every step |
| 01:03.54 | SamuraiDio | and my openoffice segfaults when saving... i thing the cause may be the same |
| 01:03.58 | dondelelcaro | moleprince: but it's possible that something was busted in that particular version of the installer, too. |
| 01:04.05 | moleprince | dondelelcaro: Ah, how do I proceed then? I don't see a menu option to partition. |
| 01:04.23 | themill | abrotman: I've been doing *far* too much staring at java packaging of late.... ;( |
| 01:04.41 | abrotman | eww |
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| 01:05.19 | SamuraiDio | what is better to use? java or gcj? can i have the two? |
| 01:05.41 | themill | SamuraiDio: for compiling or running java programs? |
| 01:05.55 | mbroeker | ... |
| 01:06.06 | SamuraiDio | themill, just running |
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| 01:06.43 | themill | SamuraiDio: gij *might* work, but it might not... sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin are probably your better option. |
| 01:06.52 | themill | SamuraiDio: But they are non-free. |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | themill: based on the activity of that DD .. i'm guessing it won't get fixed :) |
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| 01:07.21 | themill | SamuraiDio: sun-java6-jre and -plugin are available from backports.org. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 01:07.27 | themill | abrotman: ahh.. nice. |
| 01:07.31 | dondelelcaro | moleprince: I don't remember the name of the menu option, unfortunatly, but it should be obvious which one is the right one |
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| 01:07.45 | dondelelcaro | moleprince: but if it doesn't work, get a more recent version of the installer. |
| 01:07.49 | SamuraiDio | themill, i'm having two problems with java apps. mu tuxguitar is saying a dont have swt, but i have it installed. and openoffice is segfaulting at save |
| 01:07.51 | aFlag | is there a way I can monitor the amount of tcp connections opened by a process. And their upload and download rates? |
| 01:08.36 | themill | abrotman: file bugs and hope someone nmus it.... |
| 01:08.48 | Sashi | is it me or is gnome-look down? |
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| 01:09.09 | abrotman | themill: does it actually run on gij ? |
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| 01:09.25 | abrotman | bah .. nevermind .. i'll just say i don't know :) |
| 01:09.55 | Devas | how can i past a url here? |
| 01:10.12 | themill | abrotman: dguitar... it opens up a "log" screen, and then hangs. With the eclipse jvm (I think it was) it got a little further towards the main screen and then hung. |
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| 01:10.28 | abrotman | themill: well .. i guess it needs to be fixed either way |
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| 01:11.19 | abrotman | yeah .. i only filed one |
| 01:11.19 | moleprince | dondelelcaro: I just looked and the most recent installer I can find is the one from Jun 15. I can't use the etch one as it doesn't support any of the network interfaces I have. |
| 01:11.21 | themill | SamuraiDio: sorry.. no idea off the top of my head and it's well past bed time for me.... too sleepy... |
| 01:11.46 | SamuraiDio | hehe, ok |
| 01:11.48 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
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| 01:12.24 | themill | night all! |
| 01:12.29 | SamuraiDio | when installing libs at /usr/local/lib what should i put at /etc/ld.so.conf? '/usr/local' or '/usr/local/lib'? |
| 01:12.42 | aFlag | :( |
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| 01:13.18 | dondelelcaro | moleprince: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ <-- et al. |
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| 01:15.15 | moleprince | dondelelcaro: I don't have a cd drive, unfortunately, so I'm stuck with the floppy installer builds. |
| 01:15.17 | Devas | dondelelcaro is there another mirror for weekly-builds? |
| 01:15.28 | dondelelcaro | Devas: anything that mirrors cdimage has it mirrored |
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| 01:16.13 | dondelelcaro | moleprince: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 01:16.30 | dondelelcaro | moleprince: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is kind of what you need to read. |
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| 01:17.47 | moleprince | dondelelcaro: Thank you kindly, I'll look it over. |
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| 01:18.55 | SamuraiDio | when installing libs at /usr/local/lib what should i put at /etc/ld.so.conf? '/usr/local' or '/usr/local/lib'? |
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| 01:20.53 | tiredbones | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:21.56 | Devas | dondelelcaro mirror is bad or my connection is way too bad |
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| 01:22.18 | dondelelcaro | Devas: of what? |
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| 01:22.39 | Devas | dondelelcaro weekly-builds |
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| 01:22.50 | dondelelcaro | Devas: the cdimage.d.o one? or a different mirror? |
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| 01:23.30 | Devas | dondelelcaro this and another one that i can't remember |
| 01:24.14 | Devas | dondelelcaro the build from june can't detect my pcmcia card because of a bug on kernel |
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| 01:24.32 | dondelelcaro | Devas: well, cdimage.d.o works here, usually at around 1Mbyte/s |
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| 01:24.46 | osmosis | im trying to do which php , but no output is returned. Ideas ? |
| 01:24.58 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: you don't have php4-cli or php5-cli installed. |
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| 01:25.42 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: your right. I thought which would say, not found, or something. |
| 01:25.57 | Devas | dondelelcaro i'm from brazil, could be it... |
| 01:26.00 | dondelelcaro | well, if which doesn't return anything, it's not found |
| 01:26.14 | dondelelcaro | Devas: could be; dunno what sort of conneciton you have |
| 01:26.24 | Devas | 4mb/cable |
| 01:26.35 | Devas | current rate 140k/s |
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| 01:28.59 | Devas | dondelelcaro i'm installing an old sarge.. it detects my pcmcia card fine.. |
| 01:29.26 | wols | osmosis: have you installed php5-cli? |
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| 01:32.18 | osmosis | wols: yah, not it works |
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| 01:37.56 | Devas | can i paste a url here? |
| 01:38.14 | aFlag | yes |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | depends what it is for |
| 01:38.52 | kisielk_ | can anyone recommend a log monitoring tool better than swatch? |
| 01:39.13 | SamuraiDio | once an app depends on gjc, can i use it with java? |
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| 01:44.26 | sikkle | how can we check what is tue current version of python on a debian sys ? |
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| 01:44.50 | dvs | sikkle: /msg dpkg info python |
| 01:45.13 | Klipsch | i am wondering why i am seeing man pages with bad chars into it |
| 01:45.30 | Klipsch | †|
| 01:45.33 | Klipsch | like that |
| 01:45.42 | karsten | Klipsch: Locale or terminal app. |
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| 01:46.07 | Klipsch | en_GB.UTF-8 |
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| 01:46.56 | abrotman | karsten: some are broken |
| 01:47.13 | karsten | Klipsch: Try: LANG=C man <foo> |
| 01:47.19 | karsten | Klipsch: ... for values of foo. |
| 01:47.27 | karsten | Klipsch: What manpage? |
| 01:48.22 | Klipsch | ahhhh now thats better |
| 01:48.29 | Klipsch | ' are bad chars |
| 01:48.34 | Klipsch | being displayed wrongly |
| 01:48.44 | dvs | Klipsch: what man page? |
| 01:48.52 | Klipsch | lftp for example |
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| 01:49.33 | karsten | Hrm. Works here. LANG=en_US.UTF-8, rxvt-xpm |
| 01:49.48 | karsten | erm, urxvt |
| 01:49.57 | cmang | Howdy. silly question - why is a package marked one version in the name, and then in parintheses showing another? Specifically: Package: linux-support-2.6.22-3 (2.6.22-6) |
| 01:50.25 | karsten | cmang: Displayed as output to what command? |
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| 01:51.00 | Klipsch | seems the problem is en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 01:51.14 | cmang | karsten: That paste is from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-support-2.6.22-3 ... but in synaptic in the name column, it shows -3 while 'latest version' (as well as installed version) it shows -5 or -6. Seems to be something with these kernel-related packages. |
| 01:51.31 | cmang | The real issue is that we're trying to compile a wifi driver, which can't find the .config for the currently running kernel |
| 01:51.34 | cmang | which is .22-3 |
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| 01:51.37 | the_sniff | weird |
| 01:51.44 | JordiGH | Are the dpkg factoids under a free license? :-) |
| 01:51.52 | dvs | cmang: the linux-support package version i'd imagine. |
| 01:51.56 | the_sniff | i got a mysql temp table on /var which is on a different partition |
| 01:51.58 | JordiGH | I just created a derivative work from one of them. |
| 01:52.00 | the_sniff | but / is loosing space too |
| 01:52.11 | JordiGH | Maybe we need to track down all the factoid contributors. |
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| 01:52.21 | JordiGH | And make them reassign copyright to Debian. :-) |
| 01:52.36 | cmang | dvs: I'm wondering if the name having a different version from the package version implies some compatibility. |
| 01:53.08 | dvs | cmang: I think it's a compatibility between the linux-support package and the linux-image package |
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| 01:53.17 | dvs | cmang: dunno for sure though |
| 01:54.55 | the_sniff | anyone? |
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| 01:55.16 | cmang | Does anyone know exactly which package contains the /usr/src/linux/.config file for kernel 2.6.22-3 in sid? |
| 01:55.37 | cmang | -686 :) |
| 01:55.43 | karsten | cmang: That's a generated file. |
| 01:55.44 | dvs | cmang: should be /boot/config-2.6.22-3 |
| 01:55.54 | cmang | ahh |
| 01:56.19 | cmang | dvs: awsome, thanks |
| 01:56.25 | dvs | np |
| 01:57.10 | karsten | cmang: Your installed kernel provides a config file placed in /boot, owned by the Debian kernel package, corresponding to the build options used for that kernl. |
| 01:57.25 | karsten | cmang: You can import those w/ make oldconfig in the kernel build process. |
| 01:57.35 | the_sniff | what could cause /var partition to take up space from /? |
| 01:58.08 | karsten | the_sniff: Um, having /var on the root partition, instead of on its own filesystem. |
| 01:58.18 | the_sniff | no its on its own partition |
| 01:58.26 | the_sniff | mysql has a /tmp tmpdir |
| 01:58.34 | the_sniff | but is creating the file in /var/lib/mysql |
| 01:58.39 | the_sniff | and / still losses the space |
| 01:58.42 | cmang | karsten: I see. I'd forgotten that it comes as part of the binary kernel package. That should work nicely, thanks for clarifying :). |
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| 01:59.31 | karsten | cmang: NP |
| 01:59.35 | lex_ | anyone have a G15 keyboard configured with a working lcd? |
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| 02:00.22 | JordiGH | Is that a Mac thing? |
| 02:01.14 | lex_ | neg, G15 is logitech's "new" keyboard. it just happens to ahve an LCD on it you can write to with scripts ect |
| 02:02.02 | JordiGH | Probably would need a kernel module for it, no? |
| 02:02.11 | JordiGH | If it's too new, maybe no one has written one for it yet? |
| 02:02.32 | wols | lex_: why didn't you google? |
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| 02:03.28 | lex_ | well there are things out there like G15daemon ect, but I can't seem to get them to work. It fails to init. the keyboard. Despite checking google (wols) and other linux fourms no one mentions how they ahve it configure in their xorg.conf |
| 02:03.54 | JordiGH | Does the module have a manpage? Most X modules do, don't they? |
| 02:04.02 | wols | why would one configure it in xorg.conf of all places? |
| 02:04.25 | wols | a daemon is not for xorg.conf |
| 02:04.52 | lex_ | i seem to be having trouble accessing the keyboard via the daemon, which is what's saying it can't initilize the keyboard |
| 02:04.54 | Nyle | pudding |
| 02:05.13 | lex_ | so that left me to assume that it's not configured properly which led me to the xorg... |
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| 02:06.07 | wols | the g15 acts as two differen usb devices. nothing to do with xorg from what I can see |
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| 02:06.46 | fuzza | I have an issue with the ppp package; I'm using it in persist mode so that it redials, but when it does it doesn't re-run the ip-up script. Is there any way to change that behaviour? (I have things to add routes and firewall rules etc for access by machines down the chain, which is a problem if eg. the link redials and gets a different interface...) |
| 02:07.22 | wols | fuzza: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 02:07.53 | fuzza | wols: yes, using it, but it doesn't re-execute :( |
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| 02:08.15 | wols | it always worked for me just fine. and I got a new IP everytime I reconnected |
| 02:08.35 | the_sniff | if anyone wondered its a mysql bug. writing to a diff place but never closing the |
| 02:08.39 | the_sniff | changing the config fixed it |
| 02:08.42 | the_sniff | good night :e |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | closing the ... statement? |
| 02:09.21 | netdaemon | any of you know of wireless surveying software? |
| 02:09.30 | karsten | netdaemon: kismet |
| 02:09.39 | karsten | netdaemon: Plugins for GPS exist. |
| 02:09.48 | netdaemon | similar to ekahau? |
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| 02:09.56 | karsten | netdaemon: NFC |
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| 02:10.06 | icnocop | during install, i specified my router ip as 192.168.110.1, and server ip of 192.168.110.148. however, it fails to communicate with any package manager mirrors. i pressed alt+F2 and tried to ping my router, but it says: From 192.168.110.148 icmp_seq=xx Destination Host Unreachable. |
| 02:10.08 | fuzza | wols: getting a new IP is fine, it's doing the processing with it afterwards that's the issue.. |
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| 02:10.30 | abrotman | icnocop: did you set your netmask correctly ? |
| 02:10.43 | Nyle | icnocop: check your subnet mask |
| 02:10.48 | idwer_|dnd | how do i create boot.catalog ? i need it for mkisofs... |
| 02:11.13 | bucky | icnocop: i thought your router addy was 192.168.110.1 ping 192.168.110.1 |
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| 02:11.24 | netdaemon | well ekahau allows you to upload a map...you point and click your location on the map and it tells you the wireless signal strength with different colors and what not... |
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| 02:13.13 | netdaemon | it may work...i'm not sure |
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| 02:15.03 | icnocop | yes, subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 and that is what i set during install. i did "ping 192.168.110.1" and the first line says: PING 192.168.110.1 (192.168.110.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 02:15.14 | icnocop | and the following lines say From 192.168.110.148 ... |
| 02:15.52 | icnocop | From 192.168.110.148 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable. |
| 02:15.55 | icnocop | etc. |
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| 02:16.52 | wols | fuzza: yes I know, and I did this or my NAT would have stopped working after reconnect. it needed to recompute my NAT settings after reconnect, whihc it did. ls -al /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
| 02:17.46 | wols | icnocop: ifconfig output please |
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| 02:18.38 | Wyzard | Is it allowed to have multiple "iface" stanzas for the same interface in /etc/networking/interfaces, using different address families? |
| 02:18.55 | Wyzard | e.g. "iface eth0 inet static" to assign an IPv4 address and "iface eth0 inet6 static" to assign an IPv6 address too |
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| 02:19.19 | wols | Wyzard: that would simply mean you have two IPs on the same interface |
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| 02:19.29 | wols | each ipv4 is also a ipv6 no? |
| 02:19.36 | icnocop | I tried to run ifconfig, but it produces: Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output. |
| 02:19.37 | Wyzard | wols: which is what I want |
| 02:19.39 | Wyzard | not really |
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| 02:20.03 | icnocop | i am using debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:20.08 | Wyzard | wols: IPv4 addresses can be mapped into IPv6 in various ways, but a configured IPv4 address doesn't automatically work for IPv6 communication |
| 02:20.12 | adrien-moduli2 | Hi everyone |
| 02:20.17 | wols | icnocop: lspci output |
| 02:20.48 | wols | Wyzard: doesn't say about working but ipv6 addresses are a superset of ipv4 I thought... |
| 02:21.31 | icnocop | sh: lspci: command not found |
| 02:21.42 | Wyzard | wols: IPv6 has its own, completely-independent address space, separate from that of IPv4 |
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| 02:21.56 | coagen | haha no lspci |
| 02:22.16 | wols | icnocop: what NIC? |
| 02:22.18 | Wyzard | wols: Some of that address space is reserved for transitional schemes involving embedded IPv4 addresses, but having an IPv4 address doesn't "just work" for IPv6 |
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| 02:22.29 | adrien-moduli2 | does anyone know if there is a tool that allows one to maximize windows over a grid (example: having 4 maximized windows on the same display) ? |
| 02:22.32 | icnocop | wols, i only have one nic |
| 02:22.41 | wols | icnocop: and it is which one? |
| 02:23.27 | icnocop | wols, it is vmware server's default nic. |
| 02:23.27 | bucky | icnocop: you're doing this from the console during install? that may be why he doesn't have lspci |
| 02:23.37 | wols | !vmware |
| 02:23.37 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 02:23.42 | wols | icnocop: have a nice day |
| 02:24.05 | bucky | !openvz |
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| 02:24.53 | icnocop | so what can i do to get debian installed in a virtual environment? is there an alternative to vmware? |
| 02:25.11 | wols | icnocop: host is windows, right? |
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| 02:25.16 | icnocop | wols, right. |
| 02:25.18 | Wyzard | icnocop: VMware works fine with Debian, both as host and guest |
| 02:25.26 | wols | then ask a windows channel for their virtualisation software |
| 02:25.31 | Wyzard | icnocop: VMware's emulated NIC is a pcnet32, which is supported out-of-the-box by Debian |
| 02:25.31 | coagen | screw vmware |
| 02:25.32 | wols | we use Xen and quemu |
| 02:25.34 | wols | *qemu |
| 02:25.40 | coagen | use virtualbox or qemu |
| 02:25.43 | Wyzard | icnocop: so if you have an eth0, you're fine on the guest side |
| 02:25.59 | wols | Wyzard: he most likely has a windows config issue with missing vmware services. not a debian problem |
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| 02:26.02 | Wyzard | icnocop: If you can't communicate on the network, it's probably something with your host-side VMware setup (broken bridging maybe) |
| 02:26.07 | Wyzard | exactly |
| 02:26.16 | icnocop | ok |
| 02:26.19 | wols | Wyzard: considering he has no /proc/net/dev... |
| 02:26.31 | icnocop | thank you. i will try to reinstall vmware server. |
| 02:26.35 | Wyzard | hmm, he said he had an IP assigned though |
| 02:26.43 | Nyle | ikwin |
| 02:26.47 | Nyle | oop |
| 02:26.55 | wols | Wyzard: what he says and what ifconfig says are different things. I trust ifconfig more |
| 02:27.01 | Wyzard | Nyle: Time to change your password :-P |
| 02:27.31 | Nyle | tjats mpot myc |
| 02:27.35 | Nyle | thats not my pw |
| 02:27.50 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.50 | wols | yeah right :) |
| 02:27.54 | Nyle | i swar |
| 02:27.57 | Nyle | :D |
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| 02:29.05 | adrien-moduli2 | Wyzard: few days ago you helped me with my pseudo sata raid drives, you were right they were a software raid mark on the disk and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda fixed it ! |
| 02:29.08 | adrien-moduli2 | thanks a lot |
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| 02:29.23 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: cool :-) |
| 02:29.57 | Wyzard | adrien-moduli2: That's one of those things that's easy to recognize after you've seen it at least once before... I had that same problem with a drive I bought from a friend, so I learned about it then |
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| 02:37.41 | Wyzard | wols: btw, in case you ever find it helpful to know, I checked and found that having both "iface eth0 inet static" and "iface eth0 inet6 static" does result in both types of address being configured on the interface, as I'd hoped |
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| 02:43.03 | sdubois92 | I'm trying to update my kernel and when i did "make menuconfig" it returned with a couple errors |
| 02:43.06 | sdubois92 | http://pastebin.com/m1de12894 |
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| 02:44.58 | ricosecada | Hi. Is there a smart way with one command to install all php5 related packages on a server without X? |
| 02:45.18 | ricosecada | Without having to type the name of each package. |
| 02:45.50 | Wyzard | ricosecada: You could use aptitude, which lets you browse through packages interactively |
| 02:46.13 | ricosecada | I didn't know it could do that :-) |
| 02:47.03 | ricosecada | I normally only use apt-get, thanks Wyzard, that works perfectly. |
| 02:47.29 | Wyzard | ricosecada: aptitude is better than apt-get in general |
| 02:47.56 | pleed | can someone please tell me how i can tell wget not to stop mirroring a website when it gets a 404 error? |
| 02:48.03 | ricosecada | will start using that, thanks |
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| 02:49.32 | wols | !lamp |
| 02:49.33 | dpkg | lamp is, like, Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 02:49.39 | wols | :/ |
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| 03:04.01 | mgpaulus | Hello, I'm having problems building the nvidia drivers for linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64, using module-assistant |
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| 03:07.31 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:07.31 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 03:09.15 | mgpaulus | I'm on etch_x86 (not x86_64 yet). I have nvidia-kernel installed on linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7. |
| 03:09.52 | mgpaulus | Wanted to install linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64, so I could see about upgrading to pure64, but when I try to do m-a a-b nvidia, I |
| 03:09.55 | mgpaulus | get an error |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | you can't upgrade to pure64 from i386 without reinstalling |
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| 03:11.28 | mgpaulus | ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-i386 (/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv-kernel.o) to format elf64-x86-64 |
| 03:11.55 | mgpaulus | (/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nvidia.o) is not supported |
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| 03:12.16 | mgpaulus | Yes, I understand I can't "upgrade". But, I can try to create a pure64 chroot session. |
| 03:12.24 | mgpaulus | But I need a 64 bit kernel to do that. |
| 03:12.25 | \amethyst | mgpaulus: you'll need the 64-bit nvidia package |
| 03:12.42 | \amethyst | mgpaulus: or just the .o files maybe |
| 03:13.31 | \amethyst | mgpaulus: however, I don't think that package is available for the i386 arch |
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| 03:14.35 | no_mind | can i ask a generic question which is not specific to debian ? |
| 03:15.35 | Wyzard | no_mind: If it's at least applicable to Debian then it's not really off-topic |
| 03:15.53 | sdubois92 | make menuconfig gave me this |
| 03:16.01 | sdubois92 | http://pastebin.com/m1de12894 |
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| 03:18.30 | cr3 | is there a way to limit people from calling su? I don't want people trying to guess the root password |
| 03:18.31 | wols_ | sdubois92: full output please |
| 03:18.37 | wols_ | also maybe use another gcc vresion |
| 03:19.01 | wols_ | cr3: then you need a better root password not prevent them from trying |
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| 03:19.04 | Wyzard | cr3: You can use the pam_wheel PAM module |
| 03:19.25 | sdubois92 | http://pastebin.com/m53330338 |
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| 03:19.46 | cr3 | wols_: there's nothing wrong with limiting access to su only to members of a specific group, I find it similar to having sudo limit commands to specific groups |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | !wheel |
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| 03:20.22 | dpkg | somebody said wheel was n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | cr3: ^^ |
| 03:21.09 | Wyzard | note that in Debian, the group with ID 0 is actually named "root", not "wheel" |
| 03:21.19 | no_mind | I want to know how to port an application to ARM archietecture (could be applicable to debina too) |
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| 03:21.27 | Wyzard | not that it really matters; a name is just a name, and it's the gid 0 that matters |
| 03:21.47 | wols_ | no_mind: compile it with a compiler that produces arm machine code |
| 03:22.16 | Wyzard | no_mind: and if it fails to compile, fix whatever problems are preventing it |
| 03:22.29 | no_mind | wols_, and what if you have to port a compiler (a JIT in my case) to ARM |
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| 03:23.09 | Wyzard | Find another compiler to compile it with |
| 03:23.18 | Wyzard | A compiler is just a program |
| 03:23.26 | wols_ | no_mind: the progrm you need to port, what is it written in? |
| 03:23.38 | Wyzard | but if it's a JIT then it probably outputs architecture-specific machine code |
| 03:23.52 | Wyzard | You'll need to make it output ARM machine code instead |
| 03:24.02 | wols_ | Wyzard: a JIT is a compiler like any other and can be made a crosscompiler |
| 03:24.16 | Wyzard | which is a rather large task |
| 03:24.18 | wols_ | cr3: Nov 14 04:25:03 adlatus su[2175]: FAILED su for root by klingens |
| 03:24.33 | wols_ | cr3: if too many of those happen, LART the user. easy solution |
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| 03:25.03 | Wyzard | wols_: sure, but a JIT whose output doesn't run on the machine where it was JITted isn't very useful |
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| 03:28.32 | cr3 | wols_: using pam_wheel seems to require much less maintenance |
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| 03:30.17 | abrotman | cr3: that'll work for you? |
| 03:30.22 | Cripps | I just did "apt-get install linux-image-686" ... is it possible to do an "m-a prepare" for the new kernel before I restart so that I can build my wireless module when I do restart? |
| 03:30.52 | Cripps | ... if so, how would I do it? |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | just grab the headers now |
| 03:31.12 | Cripps | abrotman, anything it will need besides the headers? |
| 03:31.29 | Cripps | *is there |
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| 03:31.46 | abrotman | not if you have the source packages already |
| 03:31.55 | Cripps | sounds good then. |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | not that i can think of anyways |
| 03:31.59 | Cripps | thanks. |
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| 03:47.36 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:47.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd99 is <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
| 03:47.39 | mogra | yo all |
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| 03:57.33 | methods | is there a bug in htop ? it appears to be pinned at 100% cpu... but i really doubt that |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | check with top or atop ? |
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| 04:03.03 | Caffeinism | Ubuntufags. |
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| 04:05.33 | xjkx | my xfce had a software that could make my screen be more brigthen :> is there a separated software i can use ? my monitor is very dark, the buttons aren't working, last time i googled i got two softwares that didn't work |
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| 04:11.50 | r3coba | hi there |
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| 04:13.34 | r3coba | i'm new to debian and I'm installing debian right now, and I reach the phase where I choose the kernel, but it only shows kernels to AMD, and I'm using an Intel, wich one should I choose? |
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| 04:13.58 | jimmybgood | r3coba: probably 686 |
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| 04:15.16 | r3coba | jimmybgood on the list only appears kernels like this "linux-image-2.6-amd64..." |
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| 04:15.51 | jimmybgood | nothing like linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 04:16.03 | r3coba | no :\ |
| 04:16.35 | r3coba | if I choose none what happens? |
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| 04:17.45 | ginoman | I prefer 2.6.22-2-686 |
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| 04:18.31 | jimmybgood | r3coba: you need a kernel, i don't want to tell you to supply your own. I don't understand why 686 isn't offered |
| 04:18.35 | wols_ | Rusty1: amd64 is a platform, not denoting an AMD only cpu |
| 04:19.25 | wols_ | r3coba: |
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| 04:19.55 | jimmybgood | does your kernel have 64 bit support? |
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| 04:20.36 | r3coba | wols_ ok but as jimmybgood says should be there an 686 for intel |
| 04:20.42 | jimmybgood | i mean does your processor have 64 bit support? |
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| 04:21.00 | r3coba | my cpu is an Mobile intel C2D7250 |
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| 04:21.23 | jimmybgood | i think amd64 is the architecture, which new Intel 64 bit processors comply to |
| 04:21.25 | wols_ | r3coba: he asked if you installed a 64bit debian or a 32bit one |
| 04:21.38 | nicnac | In using Tor in Firefox, i notice that the http proxy is 'localhost'. isn't this the local machine? can this be right? |
| 04:21.49 | r3coba | not sure I'll check |
| 04:21.57 | wols_ | nicnac: yes it's right. and it should be the socks proxy |
| 04:22.16 | wols_ | nicnac: go to a site which display your IP and see if it's your actaul IP |
| 04:22.41 | wols_ | r3coba: press alt+f2. there enter uname -a |
| 04:23.15 | r3coba | its 32 |
| 04:23.30 | wols_ | what does uname -a say? |
| 04:23.56 | jimmybgood | r3coba: are you installing etch, lenny or sid? |
| 04:23.59 | hackeron_ | any nvidia users here? -- I have a Quadro FX550 and a Geforce 6800 Ultra - I don't do much gaming, but I don't do CAD either, which card do you think I should use? |
| 04:24.00 | r3coba | wols_ I cant do that, I'm on graphic installation |
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| 04:24.20 | wols_ | r3coba: you can. press ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 04:24.35 | wols_ | with ctrl+alt+f7 you can go back to graphical UI |
| 04:25.12 | wols_ | hackeron_: 6800 is more powerful but uses more electricity too |
| 04:25.12 | wols_ | oops. quadro |
| 04:25.18 | hackeron_ | wols_: lol, start over |
| 04:25.30 | nicnac | wols_, I had checked with whatismyiptoday but how to know if the IP displayed is my actual IP? It should not be since the purpose of using the proxy is to hide my actual IP, right? |
| 04:25.49 | r3coba | wols_ Linux TristaoM 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 31 23.51.05 UTC 2007 x86_64 unknown |
| 04:26.07 | wols_ | hackeron_: quadro then. speed should be about the same. more or less. but quadro should need less power |
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| 04:26.11 | jimmybgood | for sid and lenny, new Intel processors use amd64 kernel |
| 04:26.23 | wols_ | ´/whis nicnac |
| 04:26.54 | wols_ | nicnac: your actual IP seems to be 116.14.193.240. so check if that is displayed in the rbwoser |
| 04:27.15 | wols_ | also with tor, usually oyu have another IP everytime you ocnnect to that whatismyip site |
| 04:27.23 | hackeron_ | wols_: I can't find much information about the quadro fx550 - do you know of any comparitive benchmarks? |
| 04:27.49 | wols_ | a quadro fx550 is a nvidia 7600 |
| 04:28.20 | nicnac | wols_, the browser does not display IP addr. |
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| 04:28.55 | wols_ | < nicnac> wols_, I had checked with whatismyiptoday <- what did you say there then? |
| 04:29.16 | hackeron_ | wols_: really? -- it seems to have half the memory speed and size of my 6800 |
| 04:29.26 | hackeron_ | wols_: but faster core speed, hmmm |
| 04:29.58 | r3coba | wols_ Linux TristaoM 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 31 23.51.05 UTC 2007 x86_64 unknown |
| 04:30.17 | wols_ | r3coba: that is a 64bit kernel and is fine |
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| 04:30.24 | jimmybgood | r3coba: do you want a 32 bit or 64 bit system? |
| 04:30.42 | nicnac | wols_, whatismyip gives me the IP. when i put it into IP Locator, it says, Osaka, Japan. |
| 04:31.13 | r3coba | jimmybgood what do you recommend? |
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| 04:31.30 | nicnac | wols_, whatismyip does not identify the country of the IP. |
| 04:31.32 | wols_ | r3coba: you have 64bit debian which might give you problems with things like flash or acrobat |
| 04:31.39 | jimmybgood | 64 bit kernel - 32 bit system and that's what you'll get if you select amd64 |
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| 04:31.54 | wols_ | nicnac: it doesn't need to .it gives you the IP it sees which is enough |
| 04:32.10 | wols_ | jimmybgood: huh? |
| 04:32.19 | vovo | whenever I click on a link in mail, it opens in epiphany. how can I make iceweasel my default browser? |
| 04:32.32 | jimmybgood | wols_: that's what I've got 64 bit kernel and 32 bit system |
| 04:32.37 | wols_ | jimmybgood: he is using etch. etch installer uses the proper platform's kernel for ach |
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| 04:32.47 | nicnac | wols_, does the Tor IP changes when I turn it on/off, or is it fixed for all time? |
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| 04:33.02 | cr3 | I removed /etc/securetty and yet root can still login, what gives? |
| 04:33.04 | wols_ | nicnac: it changes all the time. that is it's purpose... |
| 04:33.17 | nicnac | wols_, yeah, thks. |
| 04:33.21 | wols_ | cr3: log in how? |
| 04:33.38 | cr3 | wols_: console and gdm |
| 04:33.56 | nicnac | wols_, would folks in Mozilla knows ? |
| 04:34.37 | cr3 | wols_: aha! the problem seems to be I removed the file instead of emptying it :) |
| 04:34.44 | r3coba | wols_ jimmybgood so I can choose any kernel on the list? |
| 04:34.53 | wols_ | niru: english please |
| 04:34.57 | wols_ | r3coba: no |
| 04:35.11 | jimmybgood | r3coba: choose amd64 |
| 04:35.20 | r3coba | wols_ so what should i do now? |
| 04:35.26 | wols_ | r3coba: nothing |
| 04:36.01 | niru | wols_, what |
| 04:36.08 | wols_ | niru: sry |
| 04:36.31 | wols_ | nicnac deserted. well he's from sg, so we should count our blessings |
| 04:36.34 | r3coba | wols_ so how do I run the OS without kernel? |
| 04:36.41 | jimmybgood | r3coba: or choose nothing - you'll get amd64 |
| 04:37.05 | wols_ | r3coba: if you looked, you'd knew you already have a kernel. you cannot install debian without having a kernel and you don't need to explicitly install one |
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| 04:37.24 | wols_ | r3coba: ls -al /boot/vmlinuz* |
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| 04:38.24 | wols_ | vovo: man update-alternatives |
| 04:38.33 | r3coba | wols_ no such file or directory |
| 04:38.43 | vovo | !tell me about www-browser |
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| 04:38.50 | wols_ | r3coba: how are you installing debian. what installer EXACTLY? |
| 04:38.55 | liable | hrm, i cant get mplayer to play audio when i transcode with libfaac |
| 04:38.58 | wols_ | !tell vovo about selftell |
| 04:39.25 | vovo | ok wols_ |
| 04:39.54 | r3coba | wols_ I used this http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 04:40.43 | wols_ | r3coba: then choose linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 04:41.20 | r3coba | wols_ ok, but how do I come back to installer? |
| 04:41.39 | hackeron_ | wols_: where did you read the fx550 is a geforce 7600? |
| 04:41.54 | hackeron_ | wols_: google isnt being helpful, lol |
| 04:42.14 | jimmybgood | r3coba: alt+f7 |
| 04:42.14 | vovo | in update-alternatives, I get an output like this:- |
| 04:42.14 | vovo | + 1 /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 04:42.14 | vovo | * 2 /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 04:42.20 | vovo | what does + and * indicate? |
| 04:43.16 | r3coba | jimmybgood do nothing |
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| 04:43.30 | jimmybgood | ctl+alt+f7 |
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| 04:43.36 | vovo | earlier 1 was *+, when I selected, 2, 2 became * but 1 remained as + |
| 04:44.02 | r3coba | jimmybgood nothing too |
| 04:44.24 | wols_ | hackeron_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units#Quadro for example. learn to use google |
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| 04:45.16 | hackeron_ | wols_: err, I actually have this page open already, where does it say it uses the same chip as a 7600? |
| 04:45.49 | jimmybgood | hmm keep doing alt+right arrow |
| 04:45.50 | wols_ | hackeron_: what chip does the fx 550 use accroding to the page? |
| 04:46.16 | wols_ | r3coba: ctrl+alt+f1 to ctrl+alt+f12 |
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| 04:46.25 | wols_ | r3coba: one of them is what you want |
| 04:46.29 | hackeron_ | wols_: G73GL |
| 04:46.34 | r3coba | done with alt + -> |
| 04:46.47 | wols_ | hackeron_: and what does it say for the gf 7600 cards? |
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| 04:47.03 | hackeron_ | wols_: G73M |
| 04:47.30 | wols_ | hackeron_: try again. it's not mobile |
| 04:47.55 | hackeron_ | wols_: G73 |
| 04:48.18 | hackeron_ | wols_: but it has double the clock speed and double the momory and memory clock speed.... |
| 04:49.01 | wols_ | which means they clocked the quadro very low |
| 04:49.34 | wols_ | the quadro is basically a GF7300GT |
| 04:50.42 | hackeron_ | wols_: hmm, so they took a great chip and clocked it at half it's speed? |
| 04:51.05 | Seivan| | Does anyone know what a Threeway AND-gate is called :) |
| 04:52.09 | wols_ | hackeron_: just _try_ to read the table |
| 04:52.24 | wols_ | Seivan|: #electronics |
| 04:52.37 | wols_ | tho: don't use IRC for your homework. it kills kittens |
| 04:53.00 | Seivan| | wols_ Well how am I supposed to get the name :/ |
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| 04:54.39 | wols_ | Seivan|: you are OT here |
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| 04:56.28 | hackeron_ | wols_: ok, trying :) |
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| 04:57.00 | wols_ | hackeron_: compare the entry for 7300gt and your quadro and see. then compare the one for the 6800 with your quadro and decide |
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| 04:59.53 | Claudio32m | ok i just did a fresh netinst of debian and when i try to connect remotely from the internet via ssh it says "access denied" for my normal user, if i try to connect via ssh to my localhostname it lets me in, why? |
| 05:00.23 | wols_ | Claudio32m: netstat -anp |grep 22 |
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| 05:01.01 | hackeron_ | wols_: hmm, made a side by side table: http://rafb.net/p/Nd4fFS86.html < it looks like the 6800 ultra is better than the 7600 GT and the quadro is the worst card there, half the speed of the 7300 GT in most things |
| 05:01.06 | wols_ | by default, debian allows connections via ssh just fine. root is not allowed to log in via ssh directy but users are fine |
| 05:01.13 | Klipsch | just wondering: if i installed lftp using "configure, make, make install" is there a way to remove if fully from my box? |
| 05:01.25 | wols_ | Klipsch: ask lftp people not us |
| 05:01.37 | hackeron_ | wols_: or am I missing something? |
| 05:01.38 | Klipsch | what ever program |
| 05:01.49 | Claudio32m | im using dyndns |
| 05:01.59 | Claudio32m | for ssh |
| 05:02.19 | enabs | apt-get remove application name to remove (apt-get remove postfix) |
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| 05:02.51 | Klipsch | but i installed manualy from a .tar.gz |
| 05:02.53 | wols_ | Claudio32m: you you resolve your DNS has no baering on ssh |
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| 05:03.02 | wols_ | *how you resolve |
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| 05:03.24 | Claudio32m | port 22 is open on my firewall |
| 05:03.29 | Supaplex | Klipsch: sometimes there's a make uninstall |
| 05:03.31 | Claudio32m | i did a portscan |
| 05:03.37 | enabs | that why u have to unistall the program first then u can purge it |
| 05:03.41 | enabs | to remove the fiels |
| 05:04.10 | wols_ | Claudio32m: is it port forwarded? |
| 05:04.23 | Claudio32m | hmmm no dont believe so |
| 05:04.57 | dondelelcaro | enabs: uh... you can purge it in one step |
| 05:04.58 | Claudio32m | now i cant even connect via my hostname |
| 05:04.58 | Supaplex | enabs: try not to suggest purge unless someone wants their config files blown away. |
| 05:04.58 | Claudio32m | damn it |
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| 05:05.02 | Claudio32m | yesterday it worked |
| 05:05.04 | enabs | well they want to remove it from the box |
| 05:05.16 | enabs | Klipschjust wondering: if i installed lftp using "configure, make, make install" is there a way to remove if fully from my box? |
| 05:05.18 | Supaplex | enabs: that's what remove is for :) |
| 05:05.30 | enabs | yeah i knwo |
| 05:05.33 | wols_ | enabs: please read before you reply |
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| 05:05.56 | wols_ | if someone installs something with make install, one can't use apt-get to remove it again |
| 05:07.07 | enabs | yeah that true |
| 05:07.26 | enabs | so what will be best to remove it fully fro mthe box |
| 05:07.51 | Supaplex | enabs: try make uninstall, maybe the makefile has that target defined. |
| 05:08.14 | Supaplex | otherwise, you're generally SOL, and have to do it by hand. |
| 05:08.15 | enabs | kk |
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| 05:09.22 | jimmybgood | enabs: there is a program called installwatch which records what was installed so you can remove it by hand |
| 05:09.34 | enabs | coool |
| 05:09.44 | enabs | that wiill help alot |
| 05:09.59 | enabs | brb i will read about it (googling) |
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| 05:12.43 | jimmybgood | the debian package is checkinstall |
| 05:13.29 | Claudio32m | how do you remove an a package installed with apt-get install? |
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| 05:14.20 | kevjava | apt-get remove |
| 05:14.20 | enabs | (http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/installwatch.html) nice i found something i will test it for sure |
| 05:14.21 | punsad | Claudio32m: apt-get remove |
| 05:14.32 | punsad | Claudio32m: that's the beauty of debian |
| 05:14.45 | enabs | i love it |
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| 05:15.28 | punsad | enabs: yeah... it's a thing of beauty. |
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| 05:15.49 | enabs | yupy it is |
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| 05:17.18 | enabs | i love the free source |
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| 05:17.53 | Claudio32m | i dont know how to debug this |
| 05:18.01 | Claudio32m | i cant see my hostname from other machines anymore |
| 05:18.14 | Claudio32m | and cant login from remote, it says access denied after password |
| 05:18.15 | wols_ | define "can't see my hostname" |
| 05:18.26 | Claudio32m | well yesterday i did an ip scan on my netowrk |
| 05:18.29 | Claudio32m | and i saw "debian" |
| 05:18.35 | Claudio32m | now its not there |
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| 05:18.43 | wols_ | what did you use to do an ip scan? |
| 05:18.56 | Claudio32m | some free ipscan tool in vista |
| 05:19.00 | Claudio32m | it worked |
| 05:19.07 | Claudio32m | today when i reinstalled now it doesnt see it |
| 05:19.31 | wols_ | how does debian get its IP? |
| 05:19.44 | wols_ | and what is your DNS server inside the LAN? |
| 05:19.49 | Claudio32m | from my router |
| 05:19.51 | Claudio32m | dhcp |
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| 05:23.22 | Telstar | in the "old days" we used to copy the hosts file around the network |
| 05:23.42 | Claudio32m | would having a wireless card in the same pc cause a problem? |
| 05:23.48 | mogra | XD I do not miss those "old days", Telstar |
| 05:23.49 | Claudio32m | i have ethernet and wireless card im not using |
| 05:23.53 | Telstar | heh |
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| 05:24.08 | Claudio32m | its weird from debian xwindows network i can see all my o ther computers on the network |
| 05:24.14 | Claudio32m | but i cant ping debian from anywhere |
| 05:24.17 | Telstar | what, you don't like copying a file all over yr friggion nw? |
| 05:24.40 | mogra | not when that network is a University :\ |
| 05:24.51 | Telstar | lol |
| 05:25.17 | wols_ | Claudio32m: "debian xwindows network" is what? |
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| 05:26.24 | wols_ | cause there is no such thing |
| 05:26.53 | wols_ | and how exactly do you try to ping your debian box? |
| 05:27.43 | enabs | i this is a nice place to read about debain (http://hannibal.solstice.nl/) |
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| 05:27.58 | wols_ | debian.org is nice place to read about debian |
| 05:28.10 | enabs | yeah that 2 |
| 05:28.20 | enabs | google.com |
| 05:29.34 | enabs | hey i have a question i have instaled cyrus but cant get it to handle imap4 communication. |
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| 05:30.02 | enabs | u think that my problem can be on the certificates |
| 05:30.04 | enabs | ? |
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| 05:30.51 | punsad | I like debian-administration.org |
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| 05:31.41 | hardbop200 | okay, stupid question, but where and how do you set the TERM variable so it will always be the program you want? (i.e. mrxvt, xterm, uxterm, etc.) |
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| 05:32.49 | hardbop200 | initially I thought it would be in bash.profile, but I was told that was the wrong place to put it |
| 05:32.56 | wols_ | enabs: what is your problem? |
| 05:32.56 | jimmybgood | usually the terminal program sets the TERM variable |
| 05:32.58 | simonrvn | not a good idea to do that, unless you do some checking. anyway, it gets set when it's needed to be set |
| 05:33.06 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator; |
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| 05:34.26 | enabs | i have Configure /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf |
| 05:34.35 | hardbop200 | dondelelcaro: yes, but that always uses mrxvt-full, which ignores my customizations. How do I change that to plaine ol mrxvt? |
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| 05:34.55 | enabs | and have Create a Certificate Authority |
| 05:35.17 | simonrvn | hardbop200: that *configures* it |
| 05:35.39 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: uh... no it doesn't. |
| 05:35.58 | enabs | then created the CA?s private key |
| 05:36.19 | hardbop200 | it allows you to pick mrxvt-full, but NOT mrxvt. believe me, the two are somewhat different |
| 05:36.29 | enabs | but when i Restart the Cyrus-server /etc/init.d/cyrus2.2 restart |
| 05:36.29 | r3coba | i've made a mistake when installing debian I could install drub loader and lilo loader too, now when I restart the compt "missing operating system" how can I get in into the OS?~ |
| 05:36.32 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: then you don't have mrxvt registered as an alternative. |
| 05:36.43 | hardbop200 | ah! how do I do that? |
| 05:36.44 | r3coba | *couldn't |
| 05:37.01 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: though all that really means is that you should just use mrxvt-full in your Xresources instead of mrxvt |
| 05:37.08 | enabs | it gave me a wrror that it sat the private key is not working |
| 05:37.28 | enabs | but i can creat it and save it |
| 05:38.00 | wols_ | !tell enabs about errors |
| 05:38.00 | enabs | and when i chacked my openssl dir |
| 05:38.05 | jimmybgood | r3coba: the install disk should have a repair option |
| 05:38.09 | hardbop200 | so I need to RTFM on update-alternatives to figure out how to add an alternative, right? |
| 05:38.16 | wols_ | jimmybgood: he has no "install disk" |
| 05:38.34 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: yerp, but just fixing your .Xresources is probably easier |
| 05:38.52 | hardbop200 | k, thanks a lot for the good tips! |
| 05:38.53 | dondelelcaro | (since most likely mrxvt is just an alternative itself which happens to be fulfilled by mrxvt-full) |
| 05:39.09 | dondelelcaro | (or mrxvt-tiny or...) |
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| 05:39.14 | hardbop200 | thanks again ;) |
| 05:39.32 | r3coba | jimmybgood I have installed debian via downloadk, no psysical support |
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| 05:42.55 | jimmybgood | r3coba: does the machine have a bootable optical disk. it's not that hard to burn a net install disk |
| 05:43.00 | wols_ | r3coba: do you still have your windows isntall? |
| 05:43.34 | r3coba | wols_ yes.. and i'm trying to do this http://www.tippscout.de/repair-and-restore-master-boot-record-mbr_tipp_3114.html |
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| 05:46.25 | r3coba | the windows cd cannot find any partition :\ |
| 05:47.24 | wols_ | you deletet your MBR together with your partitiontable probably |
| 05:49.51 | r3coba | i had only one partition and I split it into 2 (1 primary, 1 logical - for ext3 and swap) I have installed debian on the new one, and I've tryed to install lilo and grub but with no success |
| 05:50.08 | wols_ | so you have no windows installed anymore |
| 05:50.36 | r3coba | fu** |
| 05:51.04 | wols_ | you can say fuck here if you want |
| 05:51.11 | r3coba | its impossible.. |
| 05:51.16 | jimmybgood | at this point it's probably easier to start over, but it could be rescued |
| 05:51.25 | wols_ | to install debian alongside of windosw, you need to resize the windows partition and then create new partition (s) on the now free space |
| 05:51.59 | r3coba | thats what I did |
| 05:53.02 | wols_ | I doubt it, since your BIOS say "missing operating system" |
| 05:53.17 | wols_ | or what is the EXACT error message? |
| 05:53.41 | r3coba | missing operating system |
| 05:54.25 | r3coba | is there a way to go to command line and try to change the mbr? |
| 05:54.54 | Telstar | its called fdisk i think |
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| 05:55.24 | Telstar | obv you mite want to check what yr active partition is |
| 05:55.25 | Claudio32m | when i install debian it asks for my domain name.. if i dont have a .com can i put my windows workgroup name? |
| 05:55.53 | Telstar | I bleeve it also says something to the effect you can make one up Claudio |
| 05:56.02 | Telstar | just so its the same on all yr machines |
| 05:56.16 | Claudio32m | regardless of the os? |
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| 05:56.41 | Telstar | well m$ won't let you set the domain to an invalid one i thing |
| 05:56.44 | Telstar | think |
| 05:56.47 | r3coba | how do I go to command line, if my laptop dont have floppy drive |
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| 05:57.01 | jimmybgood | r3coba: you need an os to have a command line on - you can't boot from the hard drive - so you have to boot an os on cd or floppy or network |
| 05:57.02 | Telstar | recovery image on thumbdrive? |
| 05:57.19 | sf7 | is there a mail notifier in debian for gmail? |
| 05:57.23 | bullgard4 | apt-cache accepts an argument ' search regex [ regex ... ]'. What will be the result if I put for 'regex' '-n flac'? What is the role of the '-n' switch in a regular expression? |
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| 05:58.57 | r3coba | i've tryed to install windows again but no harddrive found |
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| 05:59.51 | Telstar | r3coba- youre not installing on a XO by chance? |
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| 06:01.02 | r3coba | Telstar XO? |
| 06:01.05 | wols_ | r3coba: you need something that has a fdisk program and tell us how your partition table looks right now |
| 06:01.29 | wols_ | Telstar: he is not since he already had windows installed |
| 06:01.38 | wols_ | r3coba: ignore it. not relevant |
| 06:03.07 | r3coba | wols_ i cant eaven run via network "no boot filename received |
| 06:03.25 | liable | heh, stupid me is trying to work out wtf was wrong with myy ffmpeg, and it seems it was a bug |
| 06:04.31 | Telstar | liable- there are a couple of them |
| 06:04.51 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.57 | liable | Telstar: ya, faac was my problem |
| 06:05.15 | r3coba | on my network |
| 06:05.47 | Telstar | liable- you know any good place for ffmpeg scripts? |
| 06:06.02 | liable | Telstar: not of hand, sorry |
| 06:06.06 | liable | off* |
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| 06:06.40 | streuner_ | Ever tried google, it might help? ;-) |
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| 06:08.24 | streuner_ | liable: yesterday i saw the movie "Mad Max 1" |
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| 06:09.00 | liable | heh, thats an old classic, pretty funny to watch these days :) |
| 06:09.07 | sf7 | i just installed gmail-notify -- it takes 10 seconds to respond to any click? wahts wrong? i just ran it from the command line |
| 06:09.24 | liable | streuner_: mm2 is better |
| 06:09.28 | streuner_ | liable: yeah, they made with less money some classic |
| 06:09.32 | streuner_ | liable: hm |
| 06:11.26 | Telstar | personally i love the part where max takes off with a broken leg |
| 06:11.40 | Telstar | as if the clutch on that monster machine had no back pressure |
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| 06:12.14 | r3coba | wols_ what can i do now..? any bootable cd cant find the hard drive |
| 06:12.41 | jimmybgood | what bootable cd are you using? |
| 06:13.00 | Telstar | also how many is any |
| 06:13.10 | jimmybgood | can you burn a linux bootable cd? |
| 06:13.38 | r3coba | windows XP and my sony vaio recovery discs |
| 06:14.03 | streuner_ | r3coba: SATA? |
| 06:14.08 | GhostlyDeath | Has that AMD64 GNOME Keyboard Settings bug been fixed yet? |
| 06:14.12 | r3coba | I can download one and try it |
| 06:14.18 | streuner_ | !grml |
| 06:14.18 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 06:14.30 | r3coba | streuner_ its a laptop |
| 06:14.41 | jimmybgood | try www.sysresccd.org |
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| 06:18.07 | streuner_ | r3coba: there is a minimal version (about 58 MB) with the latest kernel... |
| 06:18.29 | streuner_ | r3coba: http://grml.org/faq/#whatissmall |
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| 06:20.31 | r3coba | i'am finishing the download |
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| 06:22.59 | r3coba | i've downloaded the file and I just need to copy do cd ? |
| 06:23.07 | streuner_ | burn |
| 06:23.11 | streuner_ | not copy |
| 06:23.24 | streuner_ | nero could do that in windows |
| 06:24.18 | Telstar | burn iso image, specifically |
| 06:24.40 | r3coba | there are several files |
| 06:24.46 | r3coba | not just one iso |
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| 06:25.20 | Telstar | so its a disk image, not an iso image? |
| 06:25.32 | wols_ | r3coba: can't find the harddisk or can't find a partition? big distinction there |
| 06:26.18 | jimmybgood | r3coba: should be just one iso file |
| 06:27.30 | streuner_ | r3coba: can you show us what kind of files you have (dont flood) |
| 06:27.30 | r3coba | hardrive |
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| 06:27.59 | wols_ | r3coba: if you really can't find the harddisk, your hardware is broken |
| 06:28.34 | r3coba | folders - bootdisk, isolinux, syslinux - files - sysrcd.dat, sysrdc.md5 |
| 06:30.10 | wols_ | r3coba: what did you download? grml or sysresccd? |
| 06:30.17 | streuner_ | r3coba: http://grml.deb.at/ |
| 06:30.18 | sf7_ | ?! is my sudo password diff from my su - password? its not working |
| 06:30.19 | r3coba | sysresccd |
| 06:30.34 | wols_ | jimmybgood: so tell him what to do |
| 06:30.42 | streuner_ | r3coba: what kind of CPU do you have? |
| 06:30.48 | wols_ | streuner_: C2D |
| 06:31.05 | streuner_ | wols_: 32bit? |
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| 06:32.35 | wols_ | he ran a 64bit kernel via goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 06:33.18 | jimmybgood | r3coba: you are reading the contents of the iso file. all you need to do is burn the iso file itself |
| 06:34.00 | r3coba | ok tks |
| 06:34.20 | streuner_ | r3coba: http://www.at.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows |
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| 06:37.43 | r3coba | streuner_ tks I know who to burn it |
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| 06:40.04 | blue_asterisk | how come debian requires you to reboot after kernel upgrade while centos upgrade kernels without reboots just fine? |
| 06:40.39 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 06:40.39 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 06:40.57 | Supaplex | because centos is less secure until it reboots? |
| 06:41.12 | blue_asterisk | how is it less secure? |
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| 06:41.37 | blue_asterisk | it upgrades the kernel without rebooting |
| 06:41.55 | Supaplex | you're not *running* the new kernel until it reboots. |
| 06:42.19 | Supaplex | you could delete /boot/vmli* - if you never had to reboot. you'd be fine |
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| 06:42.58 | blue_asterisk | I remember doing uname -r on centos before before I switched over to debian |
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| 06:43.11 | r3coba | got it |
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| 06:43.49 | blue_asterisk | if I remember correctly the new kernel version was listed |
| 06:43.57 | Supaplex | blue_asterisk: you mean to tell me uname -r output changes w/o a reboot? |
| 06:44.18 | r3coba | anyone nows how to use this? |
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| 06:44.41 | jimmybgood | r3coba: have you booted the cd? |
| 06:44.44 | Supaplex | what are you running? linux? or hurd? lol. This I have to see. I've never heard of a kernel upgrade taking effect w/o a reboot. |
| 06:44.54 | blue_asterisk | Supaplex: that's what I remember; maybe I'm just really ignorant in this case |
| 06:45.19 | Supaplex | feel free to reproduce it, I'm all ears if I'm wrong :) |
| 06:45.27 | r3coba | jimmybgood yes, now i'm on the prompt, dont know waht to do |
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| 06:45.47 | indraveni | when does the system, go into (initramfs) prompt ? |
| 06:45.48 | blue_asterisk | my centos was running over 200 days |
| 06:45.55 | jimmybgood | is the drive ide or sata? |
| 06:46.41 | r3coba | sata |
| 06:46.54 | indraveni | my system was working fine, and now when i restarted my system, its not going into desktop, or shell, instead its displaying a prompt, like (initramfs): and stoppping |
| 06:47.07 | liable | !kexec |
| 06:47.14 | indraveni | and I dont find most of the commands |
| 06:47.19 | Supaplex | humm maybe I can get kde to ignore c+a+d |
| 06:47.21 | indraveni | like cd, ls etc |
| 06:47.30 | jimmybgood | enter fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 06:48.24 | indraveni | fdisk command not found |
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| 06:49.01 | jimmybgood | r3coba: type "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and hit enter |
| 06:49.09 | jimmybgood | without the parenthesis |
| 06:49.29 | indraveni | befoer restarting, i have dont, chroot /dev/sda6 and then mount /proc |
| 06:49.31 | r3coba | ok just trying to find / |
| 06:49.35 | indraveni | but i dint umount before restarting |
| 06:49.41 | indraveni | will this create a problem ? |
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| 06:50.44 | r3coba | jimmybgood fdisk invalid option |
| 06:51.12 | r3coba | wooowww |
| 06:51.23 | sf7_ | what's the simplest way to view a .png from bash prompt? |
| 06:51.37 | r3coba | i insert fdisk -l and it shows to me all partitions |
| 06:51.38 | cast | display .png, but i use feh .png |
| 06:51.52 | jimmybgood | r3coba: try "fdisk /dev/sda" |
| 06:52.12 | wols_ | r3coba: the letter "l", not the number one |
| 06:52.26 | r3coba | lol |
| 06:52.41 | sf7_ | cast: how to get feh? |
| 06:52.43 | r3coba | yes its the same |
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| 06:52.56 | cast | !install it |
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| 06:53.03 | cast | !installit |
| 06:53.03 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 06:53.51 | jimmybgood | r3coba: hang on I'm switching computers so I can see what I'm doing |
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| 06:56.24 | r3coba | jimmybgood should write here what appears on that command? |
| 06:57.09 | jimmybgood | r3coba: I'm back, there is a rule about not pasting |
| 06:57.25 | Sebboh | hi. When I do a tcpdump and the summary at the end is: "1 packets captured, 67 packets received by filter".. What does 'filter' refer to? I want those packets, where are they? |
| 06:57.34 | jimmybgood | did you get something from "fdisk -l /dev/sda"? |
| 06:57.51 | r3coba | jimmybgood yes it shows me all partitions |
| 06:58.24 | jimmybgood | that's great - do they look to be the right size? |
| 06:58.41 | r3coba | absolutly |
| 07:00.21 | r3coba | and now? |
| 07:00.32 | wols_ | r3coba: try to mount those partitions |
| 07:00.43 | r3coba | how? |
| 07:00.59 | wols_ | mount /dev/partition /mountpoint |
| 07:01.11 | wols_ | you have to edit the options for mount accordingly |
| 07:01.25 | r3coba | yes but whats the mount point |
| 07:01.26 | jimmybgood | r3coba: first you have to make the mount point |
| 07:01.37 | wols_ | a directory |
| 07:01.45 | jimmybgood | like "mkdir /mnt/sda2" |
| 07:01.48 | Supaplex | where ever you want it to be |
| 07:02.18 | r3coba | so the windows is the sda2 |
| 07:02.31 | r3coba | mkdir /mnt/sda2 ? |
| 07:02.35 | jimmybgood | r3coba: you tell me |
| 07:03.01 | jimmybgood | which partition is the linux partition? |
| 07:03.03 | r3coba | yes here the windows is the sda2 |
| 07:03.17 | jimmybgood | sda1? |
| 07:03.33 | r3coba | is the backup |
| 07:03.51 | r3coba | dont recognize the command |
| 07:04.13 | jimmybgood | mkdir makes a directory that you can mount the partition on |
| 07:04.35 | jimmybgood | with sysresccd you have to make the mount point |
| 07:04.45 | jimmybgood | which is the linux partition? |
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| 07:05.51 | r3coba | wait |
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| 07:06.11 | r3coba | sda 3 |
| 07:06.36 | jimmybgood | mkdir /mnt/sda3 |
| 07:06.51 | jimmybgood | mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3 |
| 07:06.51 | r3coba | ok done |
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| 07:07.09 | jimmybgood | cd /mnt/sda3/boot |
| 07:07.13 | jimmybgood | ls |
| 07:07.50 | r3coba | now shows me some files |
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| 07:07.53 | Claudio32m | man i dont know what else to try |
| 07:07.57 | Claudio32m | just reinstalled debian again |
| 07:08.04 | Claudio32m | stil access denied from remote ssh logins |
| 07:08.15 | jimmybgood | is one of them vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-amd64 ? |
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| 07:09.05 | r3coba | yes |
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| 07:10.28 | jimmybgood | there should be one beginning with initrd - tell us if it's there and what it is |
| 07:10.56 | r3coba | initrd.img-2.6.18-5-adm64 |
| 07:11.07 | jimmybgood | cd /root |
| 07:11.21 | jimmybgood | umount /mnt/sda3 |
| 07:11.41 | sf7_ | why is apt-file update failing? http://pastebin.com/m79b24d79 |
| 07:11.51 | jimmybgood | forget that last one - leave it mounted |
| 07:11.53 | sf7_ | i put the disc in.. |
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| 07:12.11 | r3coba | ok |
| 07:13.50 | r3coba | and now? |
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| 07:14.20 | jimmybgood | everything looks good, do you want to install lilo or grub |
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| 07:15.23 | r3coba | anyone that brings my pc back |
| 07:15.41 | jimmybgood | i believe you can just enter "grub-install /dev/sda" and you can boot, but my grub is pretty rusty |
| 07:16.19 | jimmybgood | i'm sure there are other folks here who are more familiar with grub who might be able to help |
| 07:17.11 | jimmybgood | any comments wols_ ? |
| 07:18.21 | Claudio32m | maybe i found something wrong |
| 07:18.22 | jimmybgood | try ls "/mnt/sda3/boot/grub/menu.lst" |
| 07:18.34 | Claudio32m | when i login from rmote it says user@myhost.domain.com |
| 07:18.39 | Claudio32m | is that wrong? |
| 07:18.45 | Claudio32m | when asking for password |
| 07:19.18 | Claudio32m | cause i can login locall from another computer in the lan with putty |
| 07:19.23 | Claudio32m | but not from dyndns ip |
| 07:19.31 | r3coba | jimmybgood ls cannot acess |
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| 07:20.31 | jimmybgood | "ls /mnt/sda3/" again and see if grub directory is listed |
| 07:20.55 | r3coba | no |
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| 07:22.55 | Claudio32m | how do i restart sshd deamon withotu reboot? |
| 07:23.01 | jimmybgood | "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda3 /dev/sda" |
| 07:23.38 | cahoot | Claudio32m: invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
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| 07:23.41 | onvsop | heya all :D |
| 07:23.58 | onvsop | im used to gentoo/slack |
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| 07:24.01 | Schalken | is there a way i can install an i386 package on x86_64? |
| 07:24.15 | onvsop | how di i restart dhcp/network interfaces |
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| 07:24.23 | onvsop | what is the init script? |
| 07:24.45 | cahoot | onvsop: : invoke-rc.d <service> restart |
| 07:24.55 | Schalken | onvsop: you cant do ifdown / ifup? |
| 07:24.59 | logd | hi ;) i've a RAR archive splitted in many .00X files ARK would be able to uncompress ? |
| 07:25.38 | r3coba | jimmybgood no error message =) intallation finished. no error reported |
| 07:26.16 | jimmybgood | try "ls /mnt/sda3/boot/grub" |
| 07:26.48 | r3coba | lots of files now |
| 07:27.39 | Claudio32m | still get access denied |
| 07:27.47 | Claudio32m | searched google and debian.org |
| 07:27.48 | Claudio32m | i give up |
| 07:28.13 | jimmybgood | umount /mnt/sda3 |
| 07:28.32 | r3coba | done |
| 07:28.36 | jimmybgood | reboot |
| 07:28.43 | Sebboh | the init script for ssh might not be called ssh. It might be called openssh or something else. |
| 07:28.47 | onvsop | Schalken: yeah i can use ifup/ifdown, but i remember cases where on my gentoo box i had to restart the thole dhcpd etc |
| 07:28.48 | jimmybgood | take the cd out |
| 07:28.55 | onvsop | whole dhcpd |
| 07:28.56 | xoz | Claudio32m: try using ip address instead of hostname |
| 07:29.07 | Sebboh | .. forget my last line. Mine is called ssh. |
| 07:29.22 | Schalken | onvsop: thole? |
| 07:29.33 | r3coba | ok now a prompt with grub> |
| 07:29.34 | xoz | onvsop: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:29.55 | Claudio32m | the internet ip address? |
| 07:30.04 | Claudio32m | cause the lan ip works |
| 07:30.05 | onvsop | cheers :0 |
| 07:30.06 | Claudio32m | its frmo the outside |
| 07:30.24 | xoz | Claudio32m: try your internet ip address |
| 07:30.35 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 07:30.36 | jimmybgood | r3coba: i think i can show you the long, hard way to boot with grub, but I've forgotten how to set up an easy menu |
| 07:30.56 | Claudio32m | it works |
| 07:31.01 | jimmybgood | first "root (sd0,2)" |
| 07:31.04 | Claudio32m | with the internet ip address |
| 07:31.06 | Claudio32m | how come |
| 07:31.16 | onvsop | since upgrading to testing, init is tryign to load the kernel modules - powernow_k7 & acpi_cpufreq |
| 07:31.20 | onvsop | is ther any reason for this? |
| 07:31.25 | Claudio32m | dyndns should just point their host to that ip no? |
| 07:31.34 | xoz | Claudio32m: you need nameserver to point your hostname to correct ipaddess. |
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| 07:31.56 | Claudio32m | how do i do that |
| 07:32.06 | Claudio32m | i thought DDNS in my router did that |
| 07:32.08 | Claudio32m | automatically |
| 07:32.08 | r3coba | jimmybgood error while parsing number |
| 07:32.12 | xoz | Claudio32m: are you using a router like linksys? |
| 07:32.15 | Claudio32m | yes |
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| 07:32.27 | jimmybgood | r3coba: zero not O |
| 07:32.34 | xoz | Claudio32m: goto linksys setup. enable DMZ with address of your comp |
| 07:32.39 | Claudio32m | ok hang on |
| 07:32.51 | Claudio32m | isnt dmz dangerous |
| 07:33.00 | r3coba | jimmybgood unrecognized command |
| 07:33.23 | xoz | Claudio32m: if not, enable firewall to route ssh to your computer |
| 07:33.35 | jimmybgood | paste exactly the command you typed |
| 07:33.45 | r3coba | jimmybgood lol yes I used sdzero,2 |
| 07:33.47 | xoz | Claudio32m: yep. dangerous but easier to check if it works |
| 07:34.15 | xoz | Claudio32m: later, configure router to route services to your computer. for the meantime, test it using DMZ |
| 07:34.21 | Claudio32m | nope |
| 07:34.22 | Claudio32m | doesnt work |
| 07:34.36 | jimmybgood | "root (sd0,2)" when I said zero I meant the numeral 0 not the letter O |
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| 07:34.42 | xoz | Claudio32m: ping or use traceroute |
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| 07:35.09 | Claudio32m | ping reports a diff address |
| 07:35.13 | Claudio32m | than my internet ip |
| 07:35.21 | r3coba | jimmybgood yes I know thats the first thing I tryed . root (sd0,2) |
| 07:35.31 | xoz | Claudio32m: meaning the router address? |
| 07:35.31 | Claudio32m | probly dyndns's ip |
| 07:35.35 | Claudio32m | which should forward to mine |
| 07:35.37 | Claudio32m | yes |
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| 07:35.44 | jimmybgood | aah, "root (hd0,2)" |
| 07:35.48 | xoz | Claudio32m: linksys address? |
| 07:35.59 | Claudio32m | no |
| 07:36.22 | xoz | Claudio32m: maybe, you have to fix dyndns |
| 07:36.26 | Schalken | how come on my debian testing install when i shutdown the computer the disk spins down the spins up again and i get the message "WARNING DISK MAY NOT SPIN DOWN PROPERLY. UPDATE SHUTDOWN UTILITY" ? |
| 07:36.57 | xoz | Schalken: gooogle? |
| 07:37.19 | xoz | Schalken: if you have specific error, cut and paste to google |
| 07:37.54 | Schalken | xoz: yeah, not much help: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=WARNING+DISK+MAY+NOT+SPIN+DOWN+PROPERLY.+UPDATE+SHUTDOWN+UTILITY&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 07:38.09 | wols_ | Claudio32m: from where are you tryint to log in via public IP? |
| 07:38.12 | Schalken | as it happens at the end of the shutdown process, i dont think there is anything logged that i can look at, either |
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| 07:38.29 | xoz | Claudio32m: i think you have to login using your computer from the linksys... so that dyndns will update it. |
| 07:38.47 | r3coba | jimmybgood filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 |
| 07:39.01 | Claudio32m | wols_ putty from my windows box |
| 07:39.09 | Claudio32m | with dyndns's host |
| 07:39.32 | jimmybgood | kernel (hd0,2)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 07:39.33 | Sebboh | Schalken: well, my PC's bios does it's own 4 second powerdown thing for the disks... If your PC can do this too, maybe you don't have to worry about it? |
| 07:39.38 | wols_ | Claudio32m: your linksys NAT is shit. can you give someone in this channel your ssh server's IP? you can see if someone tried to log in via /var/log/auth.log |
| 07:39.45 | wols_ | if that works, you know it works |
| 07:39.58 | xoz | Claudio32m: the problem is straightforward. make sure that dyndns maps the correct ip. |
| 07:39.59 | wols_ | Schalken: how old is the disk? |
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| 07:40.29 | Schalken | wols_: its about 2yrs old. i have opensuse on here as well and it doesnt have trouble shutting itself down. |
| 07:40.32 | wols_ | Claudio32m: nat routers rarely are able to access the public IP from inside the NATed LAN |
| 07:40.33 | Claudio32m | it connects |
| 07:40.36 | Claudio32m | so i know it maps |
| 07:40.39 | Claudio32m | it asks for login/passwrd |
| 07:40.44 | Claudio32m | just says access denied |
| 07:40.45 | wols_ | then heads will park itself just fine |
| 07:41.09 | xoz | Claudio32m: using ordinary user? |
| 07:41.13 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 07:41.14 | Claudio32m | not root |
| 07:41.24 | xoz | Claudio32m: use ssh -v |
| 07:41.29 | wols_ | Claudio32m: what does auth.log say? |
| 07:42.02 | Schalken | Sebboh: i dont know, i'd just like debian to shutdown the disks properly. it doesnt sound healthy the way the disk spins down the up again and the down. |
| 07:42.05 | xoz | Claudio32m: and paste it somewhere we can see |
| 07:42.08 | Claudio32m | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive |
| 07:42.08 | Claudio32m | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 07:42.15 | Sebboh | Schalken: agreed. |
| 07:42.42 | r3coba | jimmybgood linux-bzImage, setup=0x1e00, size=0x16fb6b |
| 07:42.51 | jimmybgood | initrd (hd0,2)/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 07:42.59 | Schalken | is there a way i can find the script that outputs the message? |
| 07:43.09 | xoz | Claudio32m: have you tried ssh localhost in that machine? |
| 07:43.31 | Claudio32m | yes it works |
| 07:43.54 | Claudio32m | OH NO |
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| 07:43.57 | Claudio32m | connection refused |
| 07:44.01 | jimmybgood | you'll be booting soon and then all this garbage can be put in a config file and it will boot automatically |
| 07:44.16 | Schalken | some sort of command to search the init scripts for such a message... |
| 07:44.33 | r3coba | jimmybgood linux-initrd @ 0x37 ...etc |
| 07:44.37 | jimmybgood | boot |
| 07:44.42 | xoz | Claudio32m: use sshd -d if you can to check ssh server message |
| 07:44.48 | jimmybgood | just type in "boot" and hit enter |
| 07:45.07 | r3coba | booting |
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| 07:46.23 | suwro | hello |
| 07:46.28 | Schalken | hi |
| 07:47.19 | jimmybgood | at least we know your system isn't hosed. 696 people here I hope somebody knows how to help you write the config file. the only time i;ve used grub debian wrote the config file for me |
| 07:47.23 | Claudio32m | where's the firewall setup |
| 07:47.29 | Claudio32m | i never openned port 22 on my debian box |
| 07:47.29 | suwro | i have a problem when i try to install/remove xserver-xorg i get dpkg error progessing ... the preremoval script returned error exit status 10 - how can i fix this ? |
| 07:47.33 | Claudio32m | only on my router |
| 07:47.35 | Claudio32m | could that be it |
| 07:47.48 | xoz | Claudio32m: router |
| 07:48.00 | onvsop | since upgrading to testing, init is tryign to load the kernel modules - powernow_k7 & acpi_cpufreq, is there any reason for tihs? |
| 07:48.16 | Claudio32m | software firewall in d ebian |
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| 07:48.20 | Claudio32m | where is it |
| 07:48.22 | suwro | onvsop: laptop or desktop ? |
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| 07:48.39 | xoz | onvsop: check /etc/init.d/... grep for them |
| 07:48.57 | wols_ | Claudio32m: unless you install one explictly, there is none |
| 07:49.09 | wols_ | also if you get a password prompt you are beyond the firewall |
| 07:49.39 | Claudio32m | then i dont know what else to try |
| 07:49.42 | wols_ | r3coba: update-grub |
| 07:50.05 | wols_ | also dpkg-reconfigure grub should do the trick |
| 07:50.08 | xoz | Claudio32m: make sure you have correct hostname in /etc/hosts |
| 07:50.09 | r3coba | jimmybgood last line- /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off |
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| 07:50.26 | Claudio32m | debian:~# vi /etc/hosts |
| 07:50.26 | Claudio32m | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 07:50.26 | Claudio32m | 127.0.1.1 debian.WORKGROUP debian |
| 07:50.28 | r3coba | jimmybgood prompt on initramfs |
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| 07:50.51 | wols_ | Claudio32m: why do you have 127.0.1.0/24 as your network? |
| 07:50.57 | Claudio32m | it added it |
| 07:50.59 | Claudio32m | i didnt touch it |
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| 07:51.13 | wols_ | Claudio32m: pastebin your ifconfig output |
| 07:51.18 | wols_ | and I don#t believe you it did |
| 07:51.30 | xoz | Claudio32m: hostname output? |
| 07:51.44 | capiira | hi |
| 07:51.48 | Claudio32m | debian is my hostname output |
| 07:51.48 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:52.00 | Claudio32m | and 192.168.1.105 is my debian box ip from ifconfig |
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| 07:52.02 | sobersab1e | hi. |
| 07:52.07 | wols_ | Claudio32m: if 127.0.1.x is really your local LAN network then your router is misconfigured |
| 07:52.19 | wols_ | Claudio32m: remove the 127.0.1.1 line totally |
| 07:52.23 | r3coba | jimmybgood what to do now? |
| 07:52.24 | Claudio32m | which one |
| 07:52.26 | Claudio32m | there's 2 |
| 07:52.27 | suwro | how the heck do i force dpkg to remove xserver-xorg ignoring that error ? |
| 07:52.29 | jimmybgood | r3coba: I'm thinking |
| 07:52.34 | sobersab1e | what are the right perms of /var/log/exim4 ? |
| 07:52.34 | wols_ | there is only one. read what I wrote |
| 07:52.50 | wols_ | jimmybgood: did he run grub-install? |
| 07:52.51 | Claudio32m | ok |
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| 07:53.08 | jimmybgood | wols_: yes |
| 07:53.12 | xoz | Claudio32m: route -n? |
| 07:53.16 | suwro | damn - i think i have to reinstall |
| 07:53.24 | Claudio32m | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 07:53.24 | Claudio32m | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 07:53.24 | Claudio32m | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 07:53.28 | wols_ | jimmybgood: check that kernel parameters point to the proper root= and fstab too |
| 07:54.19 | jimmybgood | r3coba: reboot and reenter everything we went through but with one difference |
| 07:54.22 | xoz | Claudio32m: ping debian works? |
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| 07:54.30 | Claudio32m | no |
| 07:54.57 | xoz | Claudio32m: add 127.0.0.1 debian.WORKGROUP debian in /etc/hosts |
| 07:54.58 | suwro | Claudio32m: man is 192.168.1.1 a router or another device? |
| 07:55.02 | r3coba | wich one? |
| 07:55.02 | Claudio32m | router |
| 07:55.06 | suwro | ok |
| 07:55.12 | suwro | ping to router works? |
| 07:55.21 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 07:55.23 | jimmybgood | kernel (hd0,2)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-amd64 root=/dev/sda3 |
| 07:55.33 | r3coba | ok |
| 07:55.43 | suwro | ping to some out ip works? |
| 07:56.04 | suwro | ping 192.25.206.10 |
| 07:56.09 | xoz | Claudio32m: added it? then try ping debian again. |
| 07:56.16 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 07:56.19 | Claudio32m | i added it |
| 07:56.31 | Claudio32m | still cant ssh debian |
| 07:56.38 | Claudio32m | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.39 | Claudio32m | ssh: connect to host debian port 22: Connection refused |
| 07:56.52 | suwro | what ip does debian have? |
| 07:56.58 | Claudio32m | 192.168.1.105 |
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| 07:57.09 | suwro | local ip ? |
| 07:57.25 | suwro | is this your local ip ? |
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| 07:57.29 | cTATUK | hey |
| 07:57.30 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 07:57.42 | suwro | ok - any firewall enabled on local ? |
| 07:57.54 | cTATUK | does anyone know why my CPU runs at 100% all the time even though I have cpufreq set to conservative mode? |
| 07:57.59 | Claudio32m | i have firewall on my router |
| 07:58.02 | Claudio32m | port 22 is open |
| 07:58.04 | xoz | Claudio32m: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/04/08/22-ssh-and-port-forwarding-or-how-to-get-through-a-firewall |
| 07:58.28 | xoz | cTATUK: use top and check what process is using it |
| 07:58.57 | cTATUK | no no the cpu usage is down but i mean the scaling is always at 100% |
| 07:59.04 | suwro | you want to connect locally - i don't care what router routes |
| 07:59.06 | suwro | YET |
| 07:59.14 | xoz | Claudio32m: forget the link |
| 07:59.16 | cTATUK | if no processes are running then it stays at 100% clock speed |
| 07:59.21 | Schalken | xoz: wols_: Sebboh: I've found the hard drive issue on Linux Questions: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disk-might-not-be-spun-down-properly.-update-shutdown-utility-583307/ (note the last post) |
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| 07:59.36 | cTATUK | frequency scaling is what i'm talking about xoz |
| 07:59.41 | Claudio32m | xopher- ok |
| 07:59.48 | Claudio32m | xoz ok |
| 08:00.10 | r3coba | finally |
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| 08:00.31 | r3coba | now just a problem.. failed to start x server |
| 08:00.46 | sobersab1e | guys, can somebody run an md5sum on the file /usr/sbin/exim4 ? |
| 08:00.54 | sobersab1e | I am using feisty |
| 08:01.12 | sobersab1e | so whoever runs feisty, please pasty your md5sum of exim ? |
| 08:01.31 | xoz | sobersab1e: #ubuntu |
| 08:01.32 | jimmybgood | r3coba: scroll back and follow wols_ suggestions to make it easier |
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| 08:01.53 | sobersab1e | woopsie |
| 08:01.54 | sobersab1e | :) |
| 08:02.00 | sobersab1e | sorry, wrong window |
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| 08:02.37 | r3coba | jimmybgood what I need to do to run windows? |
| 08:03.23 | r3coba | jimmybgood where was wols_ writing |
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| 08:03.33 | jimmybgood | "dpkg-reconfigure grub" should write a config file that will give you the option to choose windows or linux at boot up |
| 08:03.54 | jimmybgood | you'll have to be root |
| 08:04.26 | jimmybgood | also "update-grub" might do the same - I'm not comfortable with grub |
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| 08:05.23 | jimmybgood | r3coba: do you know how to "su" ? |
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| 08:06.32 | r3coba | I cant login =\ |
| 08:07.02 | jimmybgood | what happens when you try? |
| 08:07.06 | r3coba | eaven with the user and the root |
| 08:07.14 | r3coba | login incorrect |
| 08:07.48 | jimmybgood | step by step what do you see and what happens? |
| 08:08.04 | r3coba | now I have a prompt to login.. |
| 08:08.28 | jimmybgood | is it a graphical prompt or a text (black and white) prompt? |
| 08:08.46 | r3coba | text |
| 08:09.10 | jimmybgood | what happens when you enter the user nam |
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| 08:09.12 | telmich | hello |
| 08:09.27 | telmich | what's the easiest way to downgrade from unstable to testing? |
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| 08:09.39 | r3coba | I type the user and then the password |
| 08:09.53 | r3coba | but always login incorrect |
| 08:09.57 | telmich | I'm having too much problems with the broken xorg in sid, so I want to try to change to testing |
| 08:11.35 | jimmybgood | r3coba: logins are case sensitive - you don't have caps lock on or typing in caps instead of small letters are you? |
| 08:11.52 | r3coba | jimmybgood no.. very strange |
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| 08:12.41 | jimmybgood | r3coba: i can give you an outline of how it can be fixed, but I don't have time to walk you through it |
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| 08:14.19 | telmich | trying to downgrade using the manual on http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html does not work, as apt-get dist-upgrade seems not to update anything, althoug Pin release a=testing has Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 08:14.24 | xoz | cTATUK: emifreq-applet |
| 08:14.39 | r3coba | jimmybgood ok just tell me how do I run windows |
| 08:15.24 | cTATUK | xoz i already have a gnome applet that displays the governance and frequency ... |
| 08:15.24 | telmich | argh, /etc/apt/apt.conf entry added to testing was wrong |
| 08:15.32 | cTATUK | what's emifreq-applet for? |
| 08:15.43 | xoz | cTATUK: apt-cache show |
| 08:17.21 | jimmybgood | r3coba: when you get to grub > enter "root (hd0,1)" then "makeactive" then "chainloader + 1" then "boot" |
| 08:17.44 | cusco | telmich: perhaps try snapshot.debian.net to find your previous working version of xorg, then downgrade it |
| 08:18.16 | r3coba | I will try in a second |
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| 08:19.12 | r3coba | jimmybgood at root (hd0,1) I get filesystem type unknown |
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| 08:20.27 | jimmybgood | are you sure windows is on sda2? you can try "root (hd0,0)" which is if windows is on sda1 |
| 08:20.53 | telmich | cusco: also a good idea, but it has been some time I remember a well running xorg |
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| 08:21.10 | r3coba | get the same error using hd0,0 |
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| 08:22.29 | jimmybgood | r3coba: doesn't look good for windows, sorry |
| 08:22.57 | jimmybgood | which windows is it? |
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| 08:23.14 | r3coba | jimmybgood vista |
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| 08:24.26 | jimmybgood | r3coba: sorry, I'm out of ideas - if grub can't recognize the file system it can't boot it |
| 08:24.50 | r3coba | jimmybgood its possible to install a graphical boot loader? |
| 08:25.02 | jimmybgood | r3coba: yes |
| 08:25.31 | r3coba | how? |
| 08:26.03 | jimmybgood | the only way, i've done it is from within the system, but you're locked out of the system now |
| 08:27.14 | r3coba | and if I use lilo? |
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| 08:27.41 | ronr | what package(s) do I need to set up a (read only) mirror of a svn repository? |
| 08:28.08 | jimmybgood | i think windows is broken somehow - you might want to try the windows disks again - grub may have fixed the mbr problem |
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| 08:32.08 | r3coba | jimmybgood ok I will try |
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| 08:32.31 | jimmybgood | r3coba: good luck, i've got to leave |
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| 08:34.13 | cusco | r3coba: use windows disc, go trough the recover options (recovery cosole) use the fixmbr tools and the fixboot tool. wou will have windows working hten. |
| 08:34.19 | cusco | then just retry debian |
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| 08:35.56 | dbmoodb | !omg |
| 08:35.57 | dpkg | i guess omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 08:36.04 | r3coba | jimmybgood ok thanks for all |
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| 08:36.34 | geandur | hi |
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| 08:36.55 | kantor | hi, is there a little program that automatically removes broken symbolic links ? |
| 08:37.16 | geandur | i got a problem i started with net-inst cd with a sata cdrom and it doesnt charge the sata cdrom modules |
| 08:37.28 | geandur | and the list i got there is no sata modules :( |
| 08:37.54 | geandur | any idea ? |
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| 08:39.11 | telmich | kantor: you can write it yourself pretty easy in shell-script: if [ -l "${file} ]; then if [ ! -e "${file} ]; then ... ; fi; fi |
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| 08:39.31 | kantor | ok thanks |
| 08:39.32 | geandur | yes k-man -L |
| 08:39.35 | cast | Package: symlinks |
| 08:39.38 | geandur | find -L |
| 08:39.42 | sauvin | http://books.google.com/books?id=PDqsRgXg1WIC&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=remove+broken+symbolic+links&source=web&ots=P03nFkMfHp&sig=4gqSAbtB0UXv_suD0PJ7O-boatE |
| 08:39.45 | xoz | kantor: find |
| 08:40.03 | geandur | anything about my sata module ? |
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| 08:40.19 | cast | symlinks -d :) |
| 08:40.19 | geandur | it's 4.0 it should include something |
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| 08:41.09 | dimgr | hi |
| 08:41.26 | geandur | cast do u have any idea ? |
| 08:41.38 | dimgr | i have a system with 4 cpus . Do i have to set concurrency_level =4 in kernelpkg.conf? |
| 08:41.49 | cast | geandur: nope. wasn't listening |
| 08:42.08 | geandur | i got a problem i started with net-inst cd with a sata cdrom and it doesnt charge the sata cdrom modules |
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| 08:42.15 | geandur | and the list i got there is no sata modules :( |
| 08:42.19 | geandur | just that |
| 08:42.47 | geandur | i thing i must put an ide cdrom or something.. |
| 08:43.06 | Mathiazz | do you know about sylsog.conf? |
| 08:43.22 | geandur | uh ? |
| 08:43.38 | simonrvn | never heard of a sylsog.conf :P |
| 08:44.08 | geandur | cast what do u think ? |
| 08:44.18 | Mathiazz | i forward the servers logs on a computer in my office |
| 08:44.58 | Mathiazz | i would like to display all this log on my screen WITHOUT the log of the machine in mt office |
| 08:45.00 | dimgr | anyone knows? |
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| 08:45.39 | Mathiazz | *.debug /dev/tty1 |
| 08:45.45 | simonrvn | dimgr: man make-kpkg |
| 08:45.55 | dimgr | i did |
| 08:45.58 | dimgr | didnt understand :P |
| 08:46.01 | Mathiazz | i add this line in my syslog.conf |
| 08:46.05 | Mathiazz | *.debug /dev/tty1 |
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| 08:46.11 | Mathiazz | and it works |
| 08:46.20 | simonrvn | Mathiazz: we saw it the first time |
| 08:46.56 | simonrvn | dimgr: concurrency ~= things that happen at the same time, more or less |
| 08:46.58 | dimgr | simonrvn: it says IF defined... that means if it is set like CONCURRENCY_LEVEL = 4 ? |
| 08:47.14 | Mathiazz | the pc who show the log is named vivaldi, and i don t want see the vivaldi log ... |
| 08:47.22 | simonrvn | yes, if defined, meaning if it's set and defined |
| 08:47.30 | Mathiazz | *.debug;!@vivaldi /dev/tty1 |
| 08:47.36 | Mathiazz | what is the syntax |
| 08:47.42 | Mathiazz | ?? |
| 08:47.50 | simonrvn | man syslog.conf |
| 08:48.03 | dimgr | so for a system with 4 cpu all i need to do is CONCURRENCY_LEVEL = 4? |
| 08:48.04 | Mathiazz | i read it thks =) |
| 08:48.07 | telmich | Â |
| 08:48.37 | simonrvn | dimgr: like the conf option yes; they mean the same thing (obviously) |
| 08:49.20 | geandur | i can't believe it |
| 08:49.42 | geandur | that 700 people can't answer that silly question about booting |
| 08:50.00 | geandur | even in gentoo de option have been faster |
| 08:50.02 | Mathiazz | mail.debug 1.2 1=name of the service 2=log level , but where is the name of the computer?? |
| 08:50.32 | simonrvn | geandur: quit whining please, and re-ask the question, and try to keep it on one line |
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| 08:51.27 | geandur | i got a problem i started with net-inst cd with a sata cdrom and it doesnt charge the sata cdrom modules, also I had a list of modules, but no one appears to be sata module* |
| 08:51.43 | Mathiazz | => my server log message from several of computer, ... mail.debug 1.2 1=name of the service 2=log level , but where is the name of the computer?? |
| 08:52.06 | Mathiazz | => i want to hide the log of the server log |
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| 08:52.47 | simonrvn | geandur: there is no installable module for sata cdroms - your sata controller probably isn't supported (being too new), or it didn't load the right one, or it wasn't built |
| 08:53.03 | simonrvn | !tell Mathiazz -about repeat |
| 08:53.13 | geandur | so only ata is avaible ? |
| 08:53.16 | geandur | what a shame |
| 08:53.28 | telmich | how can I remove all packages, that depend on xutils recursively? so I deinstalled all x-components after that? |
| 08:53.34 | simonrvn | built into the kernel |
| 08:53.50 | geandur | yesh first i should install it |
| 08:53.55 | simonrvn | remove the x libs, quicker |
| 08:53.59 | telmich | the problem is, apt-get remove does not work currently, as it tells me that I must run apt-get -f install, because of broken deps |
| 08:54.06 | simonrvn | use aptitude |
| 08:54.14 | simonrvn | so do that then |
| 08:54.17 | xoz | geandur: cant you install using usb? |
| 08:54.25 | simonrvn | too late |
| 08:54.41 | telmich | simonrvn: there's no aptitute installed currently |
| 08:54.55 | simonrvn | Mathiazz: it probably doesn't exist in that sysklogd, or the option is elsewhere |
| 08:55.40 | cahoot | switch from ahci to compatibility (SATA) in bios wouldn't help the SATA cdrom issue? |
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| 08:59.27 | gladiator09_1047 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=1579358 |
| 09:00.29 | Eulex | "Diesen link als spam melden" |
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| 09:01.12 | jelly-home | I can only figure out link and spam, and that much is correct. :-) |
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| 09:01.34 | Eulex | "Report this link as spam" |
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| 09:02.34 | badcfe | i have a binary that uses a shared object (ld). my ld is not configured with /usr/local/lib where i have that library. i have added a file with it in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ and run ldconfig but ldd still reports the object as unresolved. how do i proceed? |
| 09:02.37 | Eulex | and "Abschicken" means "Send", so you don't cancel your report ;P |
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| 09:02.52 | dalias | badcfe, rerun ldconfig |
| 09:02.58 | dalias | to update the cache |
| 09:03.00 | badcfe | i have |
| 09:03.48 | Eulex | badcfe, afaik debian has /usr/local/lib by default in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf. |
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| 09:04.07 | badcfe | theres no such file on my newly installed etch here |
| 09:04.16 | Eulex | oh, hmm |
| 09:04.26 | Eulex | lenny here |
| 09:04.33 | Symbi0nt | in which log can I see if email where send or not |
| 09:04.39 | Symbi0nt | sendmail log or so? |
| 09:04.45 | liable | yay, finally have a working argument to ffmpeg to get the damn thing to encode for my phone |
| 09:04.51 | badcfe | i only have /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf |
| 09:05.25 | liable | badcfe: you sure you dont have a file outside that dir? |
| 09:06.11 | Eulex | badcfe, just add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 09:07.26 | badcfe | ldconfig -v says libcbase.so.7 -> libcbase.so.7.0.0 but ldd on my binary says libcbase.so.7 => not found |
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| 09:08.58 | badcfe | file /usr/local/lib/libcbase.so.7.0.0 says its a 64bit elf -- its compiled localy so its good |
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| 09:09.14 | badcfe | so aparently ldconfig adds the lib, but the loader yet does not see it |
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| 09:10.41 | badcfe | i guess its because my binary was compiled on a lenny wich keeps the lib in another dir. how can i quicly resolv this? |
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| 09:12.02 | sep | badcfe, quick and ugly ? symlink the lib to the other path |
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| 09:16.53 | badcfe | sep: so the path is so to say hard-coded in the binary? |
| 09:17.56 | sep | badcfe, have no idea. it's just what i would have tried, given your problem description. |
| 09:18.00 | sep | or recompile :) |
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| 09:36.13 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:36.13 | dpkg | methinks qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
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| 09:39.06 | DeeTah | how to decompress debian's initrd? |
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| 09:40.22 | liable | its a cpio archive |
| 09:40.31 | liable | hrm, wonder if theres a factoid for it |
| 09:40.34 | liable | !initrd |
| 09:40.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg ... |
| 09:40.45 | liable | meh |
| 09:41.07 | Schalken | on my system, /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are my CD and DVD drives. what happened to /dev/hda and /dev/hdb ? |
| 09:41.51 | liable | do you have two pata controllers? |
| 09:42.28 | Schalken | (my hard drive is /dev/sda (its SATA)) |
| 09:42.34 | Schalken | liable: uhm... i dont know :P |
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| 09:43.02 | Schalken | liable: i think i have four PATA ports. |
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| 09:43.20 | Usiu | Hi |
| 09:43.29 | Schalken | liable: does that mean i have two PATA controllers? |
| 09:43.30 | Usiu | Is there any program that checks for file changes ? |
| 09:43.34 | Usiu | and alerts me about it? |
| 09:43.51 | liable | Schalken: possibly, check your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 09:44.12 | Schalken | liable: just has "(hd0) /dev/sda" |
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| 09:44.24 | Schalken | (which is my hard drive) |
| 09:44.41 | Schalken | liable: its not a problem, i was just wondering why they are hdc and hdd not hda and hdb |
| 09:44.59 | Usiu | Any help? |
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| 09:45.23 | cahoot | Usiu: thinking of something like 'tiger' ? |
| 09:45.25 | sf7_ | how to make sthg execute when debian (specifically gnome) starts? some file in /etc/init.d? which one? |
| 09:45.48 | liable | Schalken: is it a new install or an old one on new hardware? |
| 09:45.59 | Usiu | cahoot, hmm maybe:) |
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| 09:46.30 | Danielss89 | Hi |
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| 09:46.44 | Danielss89 | how can i see how much space is left on my harddrive |
| 09:46.57 | SlayerXP | Danielss89: df |
| 09:47.10 | Danielss89 | thx |
| 09:47.18 | cahoot | Danielss89: at least mounted partitons |
| 09:47.38 | Danielss89 | ok.. |
| 09:47.47 | Danielss89 | yeah i can see that i have one harddisk not mounted.. |
| 09:48.23 | Schalken | liable: new install. |
| 09:49.05 | Schalken | liable: do you think it might be determined by what PATA port they are plugged into on the motherboard? |
| 09:49.47 | liable | Schalken: thats all i can think of atm |
| 09:50.00 | pbi | Hi! I just tried to upgrade some packages. udev came to be upgraded, then it complained my kernel is too old and asked whether it should be installed. I refused, and then apt-get is stuck on this. The only way out seems to be apt-get -f install |
| 09:50.20 | pbi | is there any other way than upgrading my kernel ? |
| 09:50.31 | pbi | I just wnat to cancel udev installation! |
| 09:50.44 | badcfe | i have problems with stdarg on a 64bit arch. debian related? |
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| 09:51.13 | liable | pbi: you need to follow the release notes for sarge to etch |
| 09:51.29 | pbi | I'm on unstable since years |
| 09:52.12 | liable | then you have a *very* old version of unstable |
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| 09:52.41 | pbi | yep, 2001, I work on it everyday since |
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| 09:53.20 | liable | well, if its that old, the release notes should probably help |
| 09:53.26 | liable | go read them |
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| 09:54.49 | pbi | liable: thanks, I'm gonna read that. But do you think they will answer my question: how to not upgrade udev and keep my workgin version I'm happy with ? |
| 09:55.13 | liable | pbi: no it wont. you will need to upgrade completely |
| 09:55.17 | Schalken | liable: i have a feeling i have two PATA controllers. i have a pair of PATA ports behind the RAM which the drives are connected to, and another pair in front of the PCI ports. |
| 09:55.37 | Schalken | PCI slots* |
| 09:55.41 | liable | pbi: if you are happy using a sid install that is that old, you will have many security issues with it |
| 09:56.03 | Schalken | liable: the ones next to the PCI slots must be A and B, and the ones next to the RAM which the drives are plugged into must be C and D. :D |
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| 09:56.22 | liable | Schalken: try a switcharoo, or just live with the fatc, or make a udev rule |
| 09:56.40 | Schalken | liable: switch them while the computer is on? |
| 09:56.44 | liable | no |
| 09:56.46 | pbi | liable: you mean that apt-get is unable to go back in its previous state ? udev has not been upgraded yet. I'm a bit surprised there is no mean to remove a package that cannot be installed is to install it first.. |
| 09:56.56 | Schalken | liable: lol i didnt know you could hotplug PATAs :P |
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| 09:56.59 | liable | pbi: /msg dpkg hold |
| 09:57.13 | liable | Schalken: you cant and dont want to try |
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| 09:57.22 | Schalken | liable: lol okay |
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| 09:57.39 | liable | pbi: but you really want to run stable if you are going to let your box be so outdated |
| 09:58.07 | liable | erm, that didnt really come out like i wanted.. |
| 09:58.23 | Schalken | liable: i cant be bothered unplugging them though. PATA plugs are annoying to plug and unplug. |
| 09:58.32 | Schalken | but i think ive satisfied my curiosity for the moment :D |
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| 10:01.20 | pbi | everything is quite up to date, except my kernel because I don't reboot. I know I will update my kernel very soon and that will resolve my problems. But really need to know if there is a way to remove a broken not yet installed package without installing it completely. |
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| 10:02.14 | Usiu | Schalken, How to register what command was issued by what user ? |
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| 10:02.24 | Usiu | Schalken, for example who did su and reboot |
| 10:02.25 | g00se | How do i say to parted for 'end?' - Use the rest of the disk? |
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| 10:03.35 | Schalken | Usiu: hmm, if they did it in the command line it would be in their ~/.bash_history, if the process is still alive you can find it with the "ps" command. |
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| 10:04.40 | Schalken | Usiu: "ps faux" should list all processes and a bunch of other stuff. |
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| 10:04.59 | Usiu | Schalken, how about acct |
| 10:05.14 | Schalken | Usiu: dont know that command :P |
| 10:05.32 | Usiu | its a package and it has lastcom command |
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| 10:07.01 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know anything about an init lockup in unstable? doesn't seem to matter what kernel I use (older once-working kernel fails too), it just hangs right after modprobing the usb mass storage support, though the console is still live, so it looks like a userspace hang of some kind... |
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| 10:10.34 | Schalken | Usiu: cool |
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| 10:23.29 | InsolitWork | can anyone link me a guide to pattern matching with if clauses shell scripting? |
| 10:30.45 | epsilon | regex? just google it or check out advanced bash (scripting?) howto |
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| 10:31.37 | InsolitWork | epsilon: all i find is pattern replacement |
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| 10:32.16 | badcfe | on a 64bit arch i do vsyslog and the vfprintf with the same args. the vfprintf segfaults. in the core the args are still sane. seems like my /lib/libc.so.6 is not good. how may i verify this? is there a special libc for 64 that i must install? |
| 10:33.50 | badcfe | for example i see in apt cache theres a ia32-libs - ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems |
| 10:33.53 | badcfe | .. ? |
| 10:35.07 | badcfe | i have a xeon 64bit and amd64 debian etch by the way |
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| 10:37.11 | badcfe | the ting runs well on my genuine intel with 2.6.22-2-686 lenny. moved it to etch on that xeon and theres this error inside libc. |
| 10:37.16 | badcfe | is this a known issue? |
| 10:37.43 | badcfe | ofcourse i recompile natively on the respective platform before executing it. |
| 10:38.19 | badcfe | by the way, how do i easily find out if a system runs 64bit or not |
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| 10:39.03 | wols_ | badcfe: if it'S capable to run 64bit or if you actually running 64bit? |
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| 10:40.53 | Sebboh | ..Is there an automated tool that I can install on all my debian machines that will notify me if any of them ever use swap? :P |
| 10:42.38 | streuner | heh, why do you care at all? |
| 10:43.05 | Sebboh | :) money. |
| 10:46.37 | Sebboh | Of course, I don't care much if I swap occasionally on a desktop machine. But if I start swapping a lot on a production server a few months from now, and don't notice.. hmm. Well.. I guess nagios or something can tell us stuff like that.. |
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| 10:51.08 | riz_ | Hi. Does someone knows if the webcam integrated in Dell SP2008WFP monitor works with linux ? |
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| 10:51.15 | Daiden | Hey |
| 10:52.25 | streuner | riz_: ever tried groups.google.com? |
| 10:52.32 | Daiden | I have a whopper of a problem |
| 10:52.38 | Daiden | Been googling all over also |
| 10:53.01 | onvsop | since upgrading to testing, init is tryign to load the kernel modules - powernow_k7 & acpi_cpufreq, is there any reason for tihs? |
| 10:53.22 | streuner | riz_: "usenet" would know more, more than about 20-30 people who are actually active for specific hardware... |
| 10:53.56 | Daiden | I can't find anything about this problem either |
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| 10:55.02 | UNDERsoN | Hi What which tool I should use if I wanna know what program trying get access to the file? |
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| 10:55.12 | liable | Daiden: it would help if you actually told the channel wtf it is.. |
| 10:55.24 | liable | UNDERsoN: lsof |
| 10:55.33 | liable | UNDERsoN: or fuser |
| 10:55.40 | Daiden | I wasn't going to waste time telling anyone |
| 10:55.44 | Daiden | if they wasn't listening |
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| 10:55.59 | Daiden | I cat a file or use any text editor |
| 10:56.00 | Daiden | and scroll |
| 10:56.04 | Daiden | the kernel sends me |
| 10:56.06 | moope1 | anyone know if there is a character map? |
| 10:56.09 | liable | Daiden: thats the way irc works.. you state your issue, if someone knows, they try to help |
| 10:56.12 | Daiden | http://pastebin.ca/773103 |
| 10:56.20 | Daiden | and then hangs |
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| 10:56.50 | onvsop | soop |
| 10:56.55 | Daiden | The system is a proliant dl380 g1 |
| 10:57.01 | onvsop | sont sound good to me Daiden |
| 10:57.02 | Daiden | dual 1ghz with 4gb of ram |
| 10:57.03 | onvsop | dont |
| 10:57.04 | UNDERsoN | liable lsof shows in a real time? |
| 10:57.13 | Daiden | It runs hpasm module |
| 10:57.22 | Daiden | It's a health monitor |
| 10:57.26 | Daiden | The old kernel works fine |
| 10:57.31 | Daiden | the new kernel is running grsec |
| 10:57.46 | Daiden | I haven't been able to find anything about why it is hanging |
| 10:57.49 | Daiden | or understand this at all |
| 10:57.51 | Daiden | http://pastebin.ca/773103 |
| 10:57.56 | Daiden | I know I got an opps error |
| 10:58.03 | Daiden | Also I did a full hardware check |
| 10:58.05 | Daiden | with ubcd |
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| 10:58.10 | liable | UNDERsoN: it shows at the time you execute it. man lsof |
| 10:58.11 | Daiden | memtest hard drives etc. |
| 10:58.29 | XoX | is ftp.debian.org down? |
| 10:58.29 | Daiden | Anyone have any idea what the problem is from looking at that log |
| 10:58.35 | Daiden | Or at least what it is pertaining to |
| 10:58.40 | liable | XoX: was for me earlier |
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| 10:59.02 | XoX | what's the program that auto chooses a mirror for you |
| 10:59.04 | liable | XoX: use a mirror (you shouldn't use ftp.debian.org anyway) |
| 10:59.05 | XoX | apt-mirror something |
| 10:59.10 | liable | apt-spy |
| 10:59.50 | XoX | no , don't need that |
| 10:59.52 | mikes_ | i always find german mirrors very very fast |
| 10:59.56 | XoX | just one that lists the mirrors |
| 11:00.01 | Daiden | EIP is at __sched_text_start+0x13b/0x6d0 |
| 11:00.14 | XoX | apt-mirror |
| 11:00.18 | Daiden | Anyone know what these are pertaining to? |
| 11:00.25 | XoX | lol |
| 11:01.08 | Daiden | shells kernel: EIP: 0060:[<c06109fb>] Not tainted VLI |
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| 11:02.44 | Sebboh | question. What kernel do I put inside a xen guest machine? (k7, 686, 486...?) |
| 11:03.05 | liable | Daiden: that sort of thing you need to make a bug against the kernel. debugging kernel oopses is a little beyond what this channel is for. file a bug against the kernel image that causes it |
| 11:03.52 | InsolitWork | result=`ping www.google.com | grep Unknown` shouldn't this capture the output to $result? |
| 11:03.55 | Daiden | kernel: Oops: 0002 [#1] |
| 11:03.59 | Daiden | Pertains to hardware |
| 11:04.02 | Daiden | Doesn't it |
| 11:04.10 | Daiden | Memory module perhaps |
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| 11:04.40 | liable | Daiden: ask #kernel |
| 11:05.01 | Daiden | kk |
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| 11:06.18 | Sebboh | InsolitWork: you missed something. try grep -i for ignore case. it's UnKnown |
| 11:06.38 | InsolitWork | oh stupid me thanks Sebboh |
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| 11:07.47 | Sebboh | By the way, does anybody have an explaination for why it is UnKnown rather than unknown or Unknown? I can only assume that they did this to try and make it clear that this was a generated string, not the actual hostname... |
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| 11:10.21 | petemc | Sebboh: you can use the same kernel dom0 uses for domU |
| 11:10.48 | Sebboh | Actually, no, it would crash |
| 11:10.56 | Sebboh | I use a special xen kernel on dom0. |
| 11:10.57 | petemc | actually, yes |
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| 11:12.38 | Sebboh | ... In anycase, since I don't plan to run little domU's inside my domU, I don't think that I'll want to install the -xen kernel on there, since it depends on the hypervisor package, and, while I know that you generally know your stuff.. dude.. it would totally not boot. :) |
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| 11:13.29 | petemc | i dont know what you've done to your dom0 kernel, but the norm is to use the same kernel for both, has been for a few years |
| 11:13.42 | Sebboh | oh. hvm. |
| 11:13.43 | petemc | and thats what i do, so i cant advise on anything else |
| 11:13.48 | Sebboh | that's what I did to it. :) |
| 11:14.01 | petemc | im all paravirt |
| 11:14.05 | Sebboh | gotcha |
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| 11:15.19 | Sebboh | yeah, with mine, there's a whole list of stuff that I can't run on dom0... or inside a domU. For example, I can't run vmware on domU, because it uses special kernel modules that try to muck with ring0 or whatever, dunno, someone explained it to me once.)( |
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| 11:15.41 | Sebboh | ack, s/vmware on domU/vmware even on dom0/ |
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| 11:20.06 | UNDERsoN | Does python-selinux go by default in system |
| 11:20.07 | UNDERsoN | ? |
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| 11:20.43 | wols_ | UNDERsoN: Priority: standard |
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| 11:20.55 | wols_ | so it's part of the tasksel "standard" item |
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| 11:21.49 | k31th | Guys, is there a multi platform backup solution? We have 3 server 1 Linux 1 Windows 2000 1 Windows2003SBS wanting to get one large tape drive and have a central backup one having the tape drive in and the others having some sort of remote agent. Any ideas? |
| 11:22.05 | UNDERsoN | wols_ so it go with system? Can I delete it? I think that no promblem with it or they can be? |
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| 11:24.57 | wols_ | k31th: amanda? |
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| 11:27.08 | k31th | wols_: well check it out. |
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| 11:27.17 | k31th | wols_: need to backup to tape will that work |
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| 11:27.59 | wols_ | afbackup, etc. apt-cache search backup |less should give you some pointers to start on |
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| 11:34.03 | telmich | is it possible, to deinstall all programs that have unfilled dependencies? |
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| 11:35.35 | liable | if they have unforfilled depends, how did they get installed? |
| 11:35.41 | riz_ | streuner are you there ? |
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| 11:37.15 | telmich | liable: well, I removed some packages, because of a broken system, because I'm in the middle of a downgrade |
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| 11:37.37 | telmich | liable: the package xbase-clients from testing wants to overwrite many parts from other packages still installed from sid |
| 11:38.36 | liable | telmich: if you want to downgrade from sid, then just set your sources to testing and let it naturally do it when testing updates |
| 11:38.56 | telmich | liable: my aim is to remove all packages that are still installed from sid and replace them, but apt-get -f install fails, because xbase-clients from sid conflicts |
| 11:39.27 | telmich | liable: did that plus addded Pin-Priority: 1001 for testing to /etc/apt/preferences |
| 11:39.37 | M0ffe | apt-get install xbase-clients=<version> |
| 11:39.46 | M0ffe | where version is the testing version |
| 11:39.51 | M0ffe | that might work. |
| 11:39.55 | liable | telmich: downgrades arent supported, and sometimes not possible at all |
| 11:40.22 | Ace2016 | why would you downgrade? why no reinstall? |
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| 11:41.01 | liable | Ace2016: it would certainly be quicker and easier |
| 11:41.10 | telmich | Ace2016: because it's my laptop I would like to keep |
| 11:41.26 | telmich | Ace2016: although it looks pretty much like reinstalling will be faster now |
| 11:41.53 | Ace2016 | oh and didn't you have a /home partition that you can leave unchanged on reinstall? |
| 11:42.00 | telmich | Ace2016: I've |
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| 11:42.37 | telmich | Ace2016: though I think most times that linux distros should be able to do such things as being much smarter as other os :-) |
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| 11:43.23 | Ace2016 | i have /home (xfs) / (xfs) and /boot (ext3) |
| 11:43.53 | wols_ | telmich: what OS can downgrade all apps? |
| 11:44.14 | telmich | wols_: I thought debian could do and I think it's possible with gentoo, too |
| 11:44.20 | Ace2016 | but you can't downgrade that easily because an older package lacks things that new packages have and also due to the introduction of new apps and new deps which never existed before |
| 11:44.24 | swombat | is there still no apt package containing a sun jvm? |
| 11:44.29 | Ace2016 | downgrade is possible but messy |
| 11:44.35 | wols_ | swombat: there is |
| 11:44.36 | Ace2016 | yes there is |
| 11:44.41 | swombat | what's it called? |
| 11:44.48 | rvalles | telmich: and what's your key? |
| 11:44.51 | wols_ | !tell swombat about java |
| 11:44.51 | Ace2016 | just search synaptic for sun java |
| 11:45.03 | wols_ | swombat: it's in non-free or contrib |
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| 11:46.20 | swombat | ok, cheers |
| 11:46.43 | telmich | rvalles: my key? |
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| 11:51.55 | simmerz|work | is there a way to stop debconf asking questions during install without using the --force-yes or -y options? like an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d setting? |
| 11:52.12 | Usiu | What is vserver ? |
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| 11:52.49 | Usiu | ? |
| 11:52.51 | Usiu | Anyhelp ? |
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| 11:53.36 | liable | telmich: way easier to reinstall, particularly because you dont seem to know the intricacies of dpkg/apt, and trying to help someone over irc do this, you wont find many people able to do so willing to walk you through it |
| 11:54.06 | telmich | liable: hmm..ok |
| 11:54.38 | liable | telmich: and its these reasons why we try and discourage people from using sid in the first place |
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| 11:55.02 | liable | not elitism as many people seem to blame |
| 11:55.15 | wols_ | simmerz|work: yes -p<setting> |
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| 11:55.35 | wols_ | Usiu: virtualization |
| 11:55.37 | simmerz|work | wols_: thanks |
| 11:56.06 | wols_ | simmerz|work: you can at least set it to high so it won't ask too many questions :) |
| 11:56.11 | wols_ | dunno if you can totally stop asking |
| 11:56.12 | telmich | liable: well, I went fine with sid for some years, but the current xorg problems simply kill me |
| 11:56.29 | Usiu | wols_, alternative for xen? |
| 11:56.34 | Usiu | wols_, which is better ? |
| 11:56.41 | wols_ | !better |
| 11:56.41 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 11:56.42 | Usiu | wols_, more advanced? |
| 11:56.55 | liable | telmich: so rise to the challenge and get more familiar, check bts, file bugs, learn more about dpkg :) |
| 11:56.59 | Usiu | wols_, then which is more advanced? |
| 11:57.00 | simmerz|work | wols_: --non-interactive |
| 11:57.10 | wols_ | Usiu: there is no such thing |
| 11:57.14 | simmerz|work | Usiu: they both serve different purposes |
| 11:57.58 | Usiu | simmerz|work, what purposes ? |
| 11:58.14 | wols_ | !tell Usiu about vserver |
| 11:58.27 | ktwilight_ | Usiu, it's used in a different way for a particular objective |
| 11:58.33 | ktwilight_ | there's also VMware and Qemu |
| 11:58.40 | Usiu | ok |
| 11:58.46 | Usiu | so vserver is like Qemu ? |
| 11:58.50 | Usiu | or vmware ? |
| 11:58.52 | wols_ | no |
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| 11:59.03 | wols_ | !tell Usiu about enter |
| 11:59.08 | ktwilight_ | not really. it does things differently |
| 11:59.41 | Usiu | Well I want to run many servers on single machine. One for ssmtp and pop, one for squid, one for web |
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| 11:59.51 | Usiu | And I am considering using Xen for that |
| 12:00.19 | ktwilight_ | then i would consider vserver first |
| 12:00.45 | ktwilight_ | unless you have other plans |
| 12:02.45 | Usiu | ktwilight_, is vserver more stable? |
| 12:02.52 | Usiu | ktwilight_, for me Xen is easier |
| 12:03.00 | Usiu | ktwilight_, I am not familiar with vserver |
| 12:03.44 | ktwilight_ | vserver sits on top of your current OS, it works exactly like what you have now, but in isolation. |
| 12:03.59 | ktwilight_ | stability depends on your host. |
| 12:03.59 | Usiu | ktwilight_, so more efficient ? |
| 12:04.23 | ktwilight_ | definitely, performance lost is negligible compared to Xen |
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| 12:04.57 | Usiu | ktwilight_, how to use vserver, are there any tools allowing me to move domains, resize etc..? |
| 12:04.58 | ktwilight_ | just do apt-get install vserver (i think) |
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| 12:05.09 | ktwilight_ | it takes like 30mins to get a Guest up and running |
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| 12:05.37 | ktwilight_ | each Guest is assigned to an IP. i think you can set quotas, not sure. |
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| 12:05.49 | ktwilight_ | their wiki site is quite informative, and the guys on IRC are quite friendly. |
| 12:05.58 | Usiu | ok thanks |
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| 12:08.10 | XoX | how do i check IO activity |
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| 12:08.27 | XoX | vmstat? |
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| 12:10.18 | badcfe | wols_: both |
| 12:10.52 | liable | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 12:10.58 | liable | XoX: ^ then tail syslog |
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| 12:11.37 | GodEater | anyone know a reliable way to rollback a package install? A recent upgrade of libc has unforunately broken a lot on my ubuntu install... |
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| 12:11.56 | liable | XoX: thats if you want to see processes accessing the device.. |
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| 12:12.40 | g073nks | help, debian is forcing me to use my onboard videocard, even when it's disabled in bios... how do i make it use the one I have installed |
| 12:12.42 | wols_ | badcfe: uname -a |
| 12:12.43 | liable | at least you noticed before larting commenced :0 |
| 12:13.08 | wols_ | badcfe: and you never need s "pseical" libc6. the ia32libs are there so you can run 32bit programs under your 64bit debian if the need arises |
| 12:13.10 | liable | g073nks: if its disabled in bios, debian shouldnt see it |
| 12:13.23 | liable | s/debian/the kernel/ |
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| 12:13.30 | wols_ | g073nks: forcing you how? |
| 12:13.49 | wols_ | does it hold a gun to your head? to the head of your loved one? |
| 12:13.50 | g073nks | i had it set to auto, and it sent a scrambled picture to the onboard... until i re-enabled onboard |
| 12:14.00 | g073nks | it would deactivate my geforce |
| 12:14.01 | wols_ | what did this? |
| 12:14.13 | g073nks | gdm? |
| 12:14.16 | liable | what to auto? |
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| 12:14.23 | skwashd | hi all |
| 12:14.23 | wols_ | !tell g073nks about drxx |
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| 12:14.28 | g073nks | the bios has either Auto or Onboard as option |
| 12:14.29 | wols_ | g073nks: and choose the proper driver |
| 12:14.45 | liable | g073nks: it should have the optin to disable |
| 12:14.56 | wols_ | g073nks: when you boot, does the pciture come up on your PCI/AGP card when the kernel boots? |
| 12:15.15 | skwashd | i am running etch/amd64 on a GA-945GCM-S2L with a intel E6400 CPU and 4G RAM ... but linux is only seeing 3G ... any ideas? |
| 12:15.27 | icnocop | i installed vmware workstation on a windows 2003 sbs host OS. I was in the process of installing debian as a guest OS remotely (RDP), but during the time it was setting up the network, i can no longer connect to my host os. :( |
| 12:15.31 | g073nks | it boots command line all the way on my geforce... then switches to the onboard (intel) when gdm boots |
| 12:15.36 | wols_ | skwashd: does your BIOS see 4GB? |
| 12:15.56 | g073nks | liable, it doesn't... i checked |
| 12:15.57 | wols_ | g073nks: as I said: configure your X properly. nv or nvidia driver, whatever you want |
| 12:16.05 | g073nks | ok... |
| 12:16.07 | icnocop | i believe it was using a bridged nic |
| 12:16.17 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 12:16.18 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 12:16.23 | wols_ | icnocop: you've been told before |
| 12:16.27 | icnocop | hi wols |
| 12:16.29 | icnocop | i know. |
| 12:16.31 | skwashd | wols_: yeah ... i think it did ... lemme reboot and check |
| 12:16.37 | wols_ | if you know why do you ask? |
| 12:16.45 | icnocop | i do not want vmware support. |
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| 12:17.14 | wols_ | this is vmware support since debian has no control over the hardware, windows/vmware does |
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| 12:17.46 | wols_ | and you fucking up your windows host's networking for debian is certainly no debian problem |
| 12:17.55 | g073nks | wols, its not seeing the nvidia since i had to boot with the pci geforce disabled |
| 12:18.08 | wols_ | g073nks: why did you have to do this? |
| 12:18.10 | g073nks | i can't even get into single user mode on the geforce |
| 12:18.16 | wols_ | especialyl when it displays on the geforce |
| 12:18.19 | g073nks | because it won't display if it does |
| 12:18.19 | telmich | hmpf, reinstalling was not so good |
| 12:18.20 | wols_ | as you said |
| 12:18.22 | icnocop | it just seems weird that it happened. i am wondering if anyone else had this experience before; if not, then it should be considered as a warning. |
| 12:18.34 | wols_ | icnocop: #vmware. warn them |
| 12:18.37 | telmich | the installed cryptsetup now segfaults, when I try to luksOpen my homepartition |
| 12:18.37 | g073nks | it gets up to log in point.. then screen goes black |
| 12:18.56 | g073nks | changes to intel (scrambled picture if bios is set to auto) |
| 12:19.02 | wols_ | g073nks: boot in text mode, then run lspci |
| 12:19.10 | g073nks | same thing |
| 12:19.14 | g073nks | tried single user mod |
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| 12:19.16 | g073nks | mode |
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| 12:19.37 | wols_ | with framebuffer or without? |
| 12:19.44 | dc2447 | does anyone know if there any bugs in 2.6.8 which might result in high cpu loads not being visable when ps is run? i.e - uptime etc show a high cpuload and the box 'feels' laggy but ps shows zero active cpu |
| 12:20.03 | g073nks | wols_? |
| 12:20.08 | wols_ | dc2447: uptime doesn't display cpu load |
| 12:20.11 | tarzeau | how can i set the mirror in R (scripted)? |
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| 12:20.36 | wols_ | dc2447: it more accrately measures IO load |
| 12:20.43 | InsolitWork | why doesn't RESULT=`ping -c 4 www.google.com` capture the ping output? |
| 12:20.56 | dc2447 | wols_: sure I know that - it displays run queue |
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| 12:25.56 | rmaj | hello |
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| 12:26.03 | rmaj | how to move mysql database to another debian box |
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| 12:26.41 | wols_ | make a backup of it, easiest way is phpmyadmin but mysqldump or such would work too |
| 12:26.45 | Mitar | how can i enable Xen on Debian sid? |
| 12:27.01 | aliljet | Tia Williams had eight points to lead Fisk(0-2), which was 9-for-54 from the field. |
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| 12:27.05 | aliljet | lol |
| 12:28.17 | hoodlum | anomaly, wes! |
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| 12:34.52 | vovo | I want to take a diff of two different outputs, not two different files. so currently I am doing (1) p1 > a.txt; p2 > b.txt; diff -u a.txt b.txt; rm a.txt b.txt - Is there any way to do this more smartly without the need of ceating a.txt b.txt? |
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| 12:37.56 | mbroeker | vovo, use a shell script |
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| 12:38.20 | vovo | mbroeker: but even with that I have to create the files a.txt and b.txt |
| 12:38.34 | vovo | mbroeker: I am asking whether there is an approach to avoid the creation of temporary fiels |
| 12:38.36 | vovo | files* |
| 12:38.41 | troubled | wols_, rmaj: i believe you will have to deal with the debian-sys-maint account password differences though |
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| 12:39.32 | wols_ | troubled: depends what he trsnfers. if it's only some app's DB then no |
| 12:39.34 | troubled | assuming that is, you do a full dump |
| 12:39.39 | troubled | wols_: ^^^ |
| 12:39.40 | mbroeker | vovo, it doesnt matter how you solve your problem. Important is the Solution. |
| 12:39.56 | mbroeker | or the result |
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| 12:43.21 | rmaj | troubled: perhaps I can move just files from one db |
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| 12:43.56 | vovo | mbroeker: it matters how I solve the problem. I can't let 1000s of file creations per second, that will reduce the speed of the script drastically. |
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| 12:44.13 | troubled | rmaj: of course you can, but mysqldump is the "proper" way to do it without stopping the db system itself |
| 12:44.15 | vovo | mbroeker: and btw the solution is: diff -u <(hd sec.com) <(hd prin.com) |
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| 12:44.42 | dc2447 | mysqldump is only one way to move a database |
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| 12:44.54 | dc2447 | depends on the storage engine |
| 12:45.44 | Spida | how can I find out which packages were installed _BY_ME_ (not as a dependency)? |
| 12:45.54 | mbroeker | vovo, thx. i am searching for such solutions. |
| 12:48.01 | moope1 | er, anyone know how to get apache2 mod rewrite working with debian? mod_rewrite.c doesnt actually exist on my system. |
| 12:48.12 | moope1 | It should be included shouldnt it? |
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| 12:52.43 | dc2447 | moope1: LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so |
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| 12:54.06 | mbroeker | moope1, there is a debian specific tool for it |
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| 12:54.35 | mbroeker | actually, this tool creates symlinks from /etc/apache2/mods-available to mods-enabled |
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| 12:54.59 | subha | hi all |
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| 12:55.36 | dc2447 | vovo:assuming your diffs are line by line can you just loop through them in bash and use test to see if they are the same? |
| 12:55.54 | subha | how can check syslog file during installation time? as my installation failed...i need to check.. |
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| 12:56.12 | cahoot | try alt-f2 |
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| 12:59.44 | xand | oh well done etch |
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| 13:00.38 | subha | cahoot:but i want to save tat log file..for future use.. |
| 13:00.46 | subha | is it possible? |
| 13:01.40 | cahoot | subha: it seems to be done by default |
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| 13:02.02 | cahoot | subha: look in /var/log/installer |
| 13:02.10 | vovo | dc2447: I found a solution like this:- diff -u <(process1) <(process2) |
| 13:02.16 | vovo | dc2447: e.g. diff -u <(hd sec.com) <(hd prin.com) |
| 13:02.24 | [RUsh] | How can I create static arp-table in some interface and load it during boot? Address learning must be switched off |
| 13:02.35 | dc2447 | vovo: nice |
| 13:02.58 | xand | what xorg driver should I use in etch for a geforce 8600GT? |
| 13:03.04 | xand | nv doesn't work :( |
| 13:03.30 | cahoot | vesa? |
| 13:03.39 | xand | poo |
| 13:03.47 | dc2447 | xand:binary driver? |
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| 13:04.12 | xand | what does that mean? |
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| 13:05.04 | subha | cahoot:but my installation are not properly going.....it fails during "downloading installation component phase" thaen how it can come under /var/log..? |
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| 13:05.04 | cahoot | subha: in that case no |
| 13:05.11 | vovo | hwo can we set factoids in dpkg? I mean not "x is a y" manner. something like if I ask, "java", it will tell me, "don't use java". |
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| 13:05.25 | vovo | how* |
| 13:05.37 | dc2447 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.40 | subha | cahoot:through LAN can i get it../ |
| 13:05.58 | subha | using any kind of tools? |
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| 13:06.16 | liable | ftp.debian.org appears to be down again |
| 13:06.24 | vovo | isn't it ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 13:06.56 | vovo | or some other mirror like ftp.jp.debian.org, ftp.kr.debian.org, etc. |
| 13:07.38 | mbroeker | moope1, i found it: the tool is called a2enmod and manages it |
| 13:08.44 | liable | grr, this wireless connection is driving my ssh connection nuts |
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| 13:09.37 | skwashd-laptop | wols_: it turns out the bios only recognises 3G :( |
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| 13:10.55 | skwashd-laptop | oh well ... back to the shop tomorrow |
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| 13:11.12 | vovo | skwashd-laptop: bios of your phone? |
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| 13:15.03 | vchrizz | hi |
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| 13:19.26 | Bobbins | what is the problem for the error "make: *** No targets. Stop" |
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| 13:20.18 | cast | look in the Makefile |
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| 13:20.28 | dc2447 | Bobbins: there is no make targets in the Makefile - check you are in the right directory |
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| 13:20.55 | liable | crappy packaged source.. |
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| 13:21.41 | cast | 'apparently' cmake is supposed to be > make |
| 13:21.44 | Bobbins | for kernel 2.6 make file is obj-m += hello.o, is it? |
| 13:22.21 | Bobbins | dc2447: yes I am in the right directory |
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| 13:24.07 | liable | Bobbins: oh, you are making one eh? |
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| 13:24.30 | liable | Bobbins: you following ldd7? |
| 13:24.38 | liable | erm, 3 |
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| 13:24.57 | `miki` | is libapache-mod-suphp rather for security or for convenience? |
| 13:25.05 | Bobbins | liable: linux device driver-v3 |
| 13:25.12 | `miki` | in other word if one wants to make his server more secure should he install this package or avoid it? |
| 13:25.44 | dc2447 | `miki`: install |
| 13:25.57 | `miki` | so this a "securing" package? |
| 13:26.57 | liable | Bobbins: ya, its not clear on that makefile bit, iirc, its clarified later on. |
| 13:27.06 | liable | Bobbins: try #kernel maybe |
| 13:28.28 | Bobbins | liable: thanks |
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| 13:30.23 | sztamas | Hi, can somebody tell me if /etc/init.d/networking restart should pick up routes I added to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:30.54 | rubymonk | Hello everyone, where do I enable initrd in make menuconfig ? |
| 13:31.13 | rubymonk | Found |
| 13:31.14 | rubymonk | nm |
| 13:31.34 | sztamas | is /etc/init.d/networking do routes or that is executed by some other init.d script? |
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| 13:34.10 | frantz2 | i've bootrapped a new debian system, can i just copy over my whole /var/cache/apt/archives (same arch) to prevent downloading everything again? |
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| 13:37.51 | Spida | how can I find out which packages were installed _BY_ME_ (not as a dependency)? |
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| 13:41.23 | tiagos | Spida: How do you install your packages? If you use aptitude, look at /var/log/aptitude |
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| 13:41.50 | tiagos | frantz2: Yes you can. |
| 13:42.16 | Spida | tiagos: thx (for the answer to frantz2's question, too) |
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| 13:44.06 | tiredbones | I purchase a canon mp830, all-in-one, printer. Can't find a driver for it. Any recommendation for an all-in-one printer that works with leny? |
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| 13:44.43 | cast | i recommend you fuckingavoid all-in-ones |
| 13:45.05 | Spida | tiredbones: www.linuxprinting.org has a list of supported printers, iirc |
| 13:45.16 | Spida | cast: ACK. |
| 13:45.41 | tiredbones | cast, why's that |
| 13:45.56 | cast | really, decent scanner and decent laser printer is cheap, and you don't have a bastard of time getting either to work |
| 13:46.37 | tiagos | tiredbones: if you can, i agree with cast; if you can't, hp c3180 works well for me |
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| 13:48.32 | vin` | Spida: try aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 13:49.26 | tiredbones | cast, how do you handle your faxing? |
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| 13:50.12 | xand | sigh, how can I install nvidia drivers on etch when I have a kmuto kernel? |
| 13:50.16 | cast | people still use that? |
| 13:50.33 | xand | following the nvidia one-liner it wants to install 2.6.18 which won't work on my PC :( |
| 13:51.11 | cast | i know fuck all about faxing. nor care to. if i had to fax i'd get a fax machine, i suppose you could implement it with a model, scanner and printer? to much screwing around, |
| 13:51.28 | sztamas | can someone please help with setting up networking? |
| 13:51.29 | xand | fax... how 1980s |
| 13:51.56 | cast | xand: i just grab them from nvidia.com, beware you'll have to sh NVIDIA*run each time your kernel changes, but thats no big deal |
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| 13:52.01 | petemc | lots of industries still rely on faxing |
| 13:52.05 | sztamas | please, please |
| 13:52.25 | xand | !ask |
| 13:52.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:53.13 | xand | cast: I'll do that then, not the debian-way-that-fails |
| 13:53.14 | sztamas | xand: I did previously, no one replied :-( |
| 13:53.25 | cast | petemc: yeah, and it was horrible. was at a construction firm, after you fax, photocopy, the dimensions on the drawings changed :( |
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| 13:53.46 | sztamas | xand: do you know what picks up the up <command> lines in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:54.52 | xand | they're called when the interface comes up |
| 13:54.52 | Spida | petemc: yes. most of the industries that rely on faxing are spammers (at least for my case, 90% of all incoming faxes ARE spam) |
| 13:54.52 | xand | s/called/run |
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| 13:55.13 | vchrizz | ive got two ips (192.168.10.1 and 192.168.1.2) on eth0.. i can access the .10.* network but not .10.* .. im not sure if the routes are correct: |
| 13:55.15 | sztamas | xand: what init.d script do I have to run to apply the changes? |
| 13:55.17 | vchrizz | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 13:55.17 | vchrizz | 192.168.10.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 13:55.17 | vchrizz | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 13:56.10 | vchrizz | do i need to change any route? |
| 13:56.11 | xand | run the commands manually the first time |
| 13:56.55 | sztamas | xand: is that for me? |
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| 13:57.34 | xand | yes |
| 13:57.44 | sztamas | xand: I did |
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| 13:58.11 | tiredbones | thanks for the advice on the all-in-one printers. I guess this printer goes back to staples. |
| 13:58.13 | sztamas | it works manually |
| 13:58.16 | xand | btw, don't paste :o |
| 13:58.24 | xand | pastebin the interfaces file |
| 13:58.27 | xand | !pastebin |
| 13:58.28 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:59.04 | vchrizz | will do, sry |
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| 14:00.48 | cast | tiredbones: the cheap all-in-ones i see also tend to be not lasers, and consequently have shitty print quality. maybe that's changed though |
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| 14:02.47 | sztamas | xand: is there a command line tool in debian that pastes to rafb.net |
| 14:02.51 | sztamas | ? |
| 14:03.04 | cast | HEH |
| 14:03.11 | tiredbones | cast, I think i'll take your advice and buy a printer and copier separately. Although I'll look at hp c3180. |
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| 14:03.17 | cast | i have such a tool sztamas :) |
| 14:03.18 | crm | hi hi |
| 14:03.20 | xand | maybe by piping into wget >.< |
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| 14:03.37 | crm | i need to install a later version of libraw to my system |
| 14:03.41 | cast | xand: dude, no :P |
| 14:03.53 | cast | xand: unless wget is more impressive than i thought |
| 14:03.54 | crm | i don't want to "make install" as it's not managed by the deb package manager |
| 14:03.55 | xand | if it used GET that'd work c.c |
| 14:04.10 | crm | libraw has a directory called "debian" with some makefiles |
| 14:04.22 | crm | can anyone tell me how to make a .deb package from this? |
| 14:04.30 | xand | wget http://pastebin.blah?paste=`cat /etc/network/interfaces` or something :P |
| 14:05.11 | sztamas | xand: D'oh, Gentoo has nopaste and wgetpaste ... |
| 14:05.26 | cast | http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/ |
| 14:05.28 | Jyzygzy- | :-D |
| 14:05.28 | xand | copy them over c.c |
| 14:05.31 | Jyzygzy- | HAX |
| 14:06.01 | xand | apt-cache search pastebin # gives odd results |
| 14:06.07 | cast | it's a simple rubyscript, i made my own copy that confirms what you're pasting is what you ment to, and removes all the x crap |
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| 14:07.39 | sztamas | xand: here you go, |
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| 14:07.58 | sztamas | http://rafb.net/p/KVEjLK34.html |
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| 14:08.48 | sztamas | I want to get that route working, the logger is just a test ... it isn't working |
| 14:10.48 | sztamas | should I add eth0 to auto? |
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| 14:12.43 | tarzeau | did you ever want to have the fonts you're used to in debian also in mac os x or windows? now you can: http://krum.ethz.ch/fonts/ |
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| 14:13.16 | xand | which of these should I install for linux-headers? (from kmuto cd): linux-headers-2.6.21-2_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_amd64.deb or linux-headers-2.6.21-2-amd64_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_amd64.deb |
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| 14:16.14 | SpeedyG | hey, i'm trying to fix my samba/network stuff.. but somehow my windows box can't browse the network, it says it doesnt have the priviliges required, can this be a samba-issue, or would this be a windows issue? :) |
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| 14:17.21 | xand | SpeedyG: windows |
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| 14:17.27 | SpeedyG | xand: i'd guess so :) |
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| 14:18.28 | xand | am I being stupid, or is there no dpkg command to tell me what package a .deb file provides? |
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| 14:18.45 | sztamas | dpkg -L |
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| 14:18.58 | xand | no |
| 14:19.15 | cast | isn't the package a .deb file |
| 14:19.16 | xand | that lists the contents of a package |
| 14:19.38 | azeem_ | xand: -S |
| 14:19.41 | xand | if you had a file called "secret.deb" how would you know what package it contained? |
| 14:19.43 | azeem_ | xand: /msg dpkg serach |
| 14:19.46 | azeem_ | eh, search* |
| 14:19.57 | azeem_ | xand: or wait |
| 14:20.10 | azeem_ | xand: are you asking that foo_1.2.3-1.deb provides the foo package? |
| 14:20.15 | cast | can't you just work it out from the filename surely |
| 14:20.20 | xand | cast: no |
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| 14:20.28 | azeem_ | then what are you asking |
| 14:20.32 | xand | I'm trying to work out which of linux-headers-2.6.21-2_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_amd64.deb linux-headers-2.6.21-2-amd64_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_amd64.deb provides linux-headers :| |
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| 14:21.00 | xand | I installed etch using a kmuto CD and need the headers |
| 14:21.05 | azeem_ | xand: so you're talking about *virtual* packages |
| 14:21.18 | azeem_ | xand: run dpkg -I <deb> | grep Provides |
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| 14:21.58 | cast | ahh, i see @ provides |
| 14:22.02 | sztamas | so what is the difference between the ifupdown and the networking init scripts? |
| 14:22.14 | sztamas | does anyone know? |
| 14:22.34 | FromTO | I have a network printer that stopped responding to print commands. cups is saying "recoverable error 192... is busy, will try in 5 seconds" My wife has a mac and she is printing to it with no problems. I also can login to the printer itself and ping it and all. any help will be appreciated |
| 14:22.54 | xand | oh, -I... not listed in --help :( |
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| 14:25.47 | pingouin | how can i turn a ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd permanent ? i have to do it each time i boot the computer |
| 14:26.09 | abrotman | sztamas: you could read the networking init scripts and look for yourself |
| 14:26.28 | Asmooh | pingouin, u can mount it to /media or /mnt ? |
| 14:26.29 | cahoot | pingouin: sounds like a udev rule |
| 14:27.01 | sztamas | did that but it wasn't obvious at the first look, so I thought I try asking ... |
| 14:27.02 | pingouin | Asmooh: yes i use it 'normaly' when i want to mount /media/cdrom with data dvd/cdrom |
| 14:27.19 | Asmooh | ah okay :) |
| 14:28.20 | sztamas | anyways, it seems that neither takes my interface down and takes it up again on restart |
| 14:28.24 | pingouin | it's just for xine/mplayer or other player to play 'video' commercials dvd , it never found the /dev/dvd (wich is the default generally) |
| 14:28.42 | pingouin | for sure, after i checked, there is no /dev/dvd |
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| 14:29.38 | sztamas | I think that if the interface isn't added to auto in /etc/network/interfaces you bring it up and then you set the interface to auto and restart the interface won't be taken down |
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| 14:31.07 | sztamas | can someone who has an interface beside "lo" :-) do me a favour and tell me what you have in /etc/network/run/ifstate ? |
| 14:31.16 | cahoot | pingouin: look into /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
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| 14:32.13 | sztamas | is it "lo=lo\neth0=eth0" and so on? |
| 14:32.51 | pingouin | cahoot: ok, many thanks |
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| 14:34.35 | Arczibold | sztams: Yes. |
| 14:35.06 | pingouin | cahoot: strange i got a line for "dvd" ?! |
| 14:35.18 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:35.29 | sztamas | Arczibold: thanks |
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| 14:39.40 | cast | so if i install wine on amd64, can i run win32 apps? |
| 14:40.03 | cast | i suppose i'll find out in a few minutes |
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| 14:49.39 | simmerz|work | is there any particular reason why /etc/sudoers MUST be written by using visudo? |
| 14:50.00 | cahoot | isn't it just to make sure syntax is ok |
| 14:50.05 | SlayerXP | simmerz|work: it doesn't HAVE to be written by visudo |
| 14:50.06 | neotic | it doesnt need to be written by visudo |
| 14:50.24 | simmerz|work | from /etc/sudoers: This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. |
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| 14:50.50 | SlayerXP | simmerz|work: that's an opinion, I think you'll find that root can do pretty much whatever it likes |
| 14:50.59 | petemc | no, its readonly otherwise |
| 14:51.00 | cast | use visudo, though, |
| 14:51.05 | mbroeker | simmerz|work, probably the writer doesnt like or support emacs :) |
| 14:51.18 | SlayerXP | <esc>:wq! |
| 14:51.20 | simmerz|work | cast: not gonna use visudo if I'm using puppet/cfengine to manage my machines |
| 14:51.32 | cast | moope1: it can call emacs i thought |
| 14:51.44 | simmerz|work | visudo just uses $EDITOR |
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| 14:51.53 | simmerz|work | which by default is nano |
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| 14:52.06 | DawnLight | nano bah |
| 14:52.08 | Jyzygzy- | alias nano vim |
| 14:52.22 | neotic | eh |
| 14:52.25 | neotic | worst alias ever |
| 14:52.30 | Jyzygzy- | :-D |
| 14:52.32 | cast | i thought of making nano a symlink to vim to piss off nano users :D |
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| 14:52.45 | Jyzygzy- | Vim for the Win! |
| 14:53.03 | rati | how to know that certificate is in pem format? |
| 14:53.09 | rati | using openssl |
| 14:53.14 | mbroeker | nano can be pimped and will then be a full featured editor with syntax-hightlighting AND of course, Line-Numberin yeah:) |
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| 14:53.42 | cast | 'full featured' as in emacs/vim 'full featured' though :P |
| 14:53.52 | simmerz|work | just add export EDITOR=vim to rc.local or something like that, or your local bashrc |
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| 15:00.04 | FalscherHase | hi. how can i display the symbols of a shared library? |
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| 15:02.53 | tiagos | FalscherHase: man nm |
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| 15:04.15 | FalscherHase | tiagos: thanks! |
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| 15:04.28 | tiagos | FalscherHase: You could have tried 'apropos symbols'; anyway, you have to have binutils installed |
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| 15:07.26 | mbroeker | FalscherHase, you can do "strings /usr/lib/libabc.so" if nm fails with no output :) |
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| 15:07.50 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 15:08.16 | RT-EDP | hello everybody |
| 15:08.24 | RT-EDP | i have a little problem into debian kernel |
| 15:08.36 | adrakoa | howto don't load a module from grub... |
| 15:08.38 | adrakoa | ? |
| 15:08.52 | azeem | grub doesn't load (linux kernel) modules |
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| 15:09.36 | adrakoa | ok |
| 15:10.01 | adrakoa | azeem: install remains... |
| 15:10.02 | mbroeker | adrakoa, some devices accept common kernel parameters to disable that particular device. are you looking for such things? |
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| 15:10.44 | adrakoa | after i compile && load iwl4965, i have a kernel panic.. |
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| 15:11.36 | mbroeker | adrakoa, kernel /boot/vmlinux root=/dev/hda5 ro init=/bin/bash |
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| 15:12.00 | mbroeker | mount /usr/ and all the things you need and repair your kernel config OR disable the module |
| 15:12.02 | adrakoa | mbroeker: okiz |
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| 15:12.08 | FalscherHase | ok, my original problem is this: i have installed shogun-r. if i try to load it in R with library("sg") i get an error message "/usr/lib/R/site-library/sg/libs/sg.so: undefined symbol: clapack_dpotrf". |
| 15:12.25 | adrakoa | mbroeker: recompile perphaps the bzImage |
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| 15:14.54 | adrakoa | thx mbroeker |
| 15:15.28 | FalscherHase | ldd sg.so tells me liblapack.so.3 => /usr/lib/liblapack.so.3 so i thought liblapack.so.3 should contain a symbol clapack_dpotrf, but i think it doesn't. and now? |
| 15:15.44 | tiagos | I asked it on the mutt channel, but no answer so far: how to compose a new message (no reply) to the sender of the current message? |
| 15:16.53 | petemc | tiagos: press r, should ask if you want to keep the messag ebody |
| 15:17.34 | mbroeker | tiagos, press a and store an alias for it is also possible |
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| 15:18.18 | tiagos | petemc: but it will still set the In-Reply-To header |
| 15:18.36 | petemc | ah, right |
| 15:18.56 | petemc | tiagos: why, out of interest, not just compose a new mail with the correct address? |
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| 15:19.31 | tiagos | mbroeker: I want to avoid that. Several times I dont know the name of the person |
| 15:19.53 | tiagos | petemc: avoid typing, avoid having to remember the name |
| 15:19.58 | petemc | fair enough |
| 15:20.00 | grendal_prime | ok i need to rsync a dir, but there are two subdir's i need to exclude..is there a way to exclude an entire dir? |
| 15:20.16 | petemc | its an odd request, i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt implemented |
| 15:20.58 | rati | how to know that certificate is in pem format using openssl? |
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| 15:21.06 | tiagos | I've looked for a default 'to' header which I could set in a compose-hook |
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| 15:21.36 | grendal_prime | like /dir_to_rsync/dir_to_exclude/*.* something like that?? |
| 15:22.28 | mbroeker | actually, i use mutt only for viewing the content of my spam folder. |
| 15:22.48 | rubymonk | May anyone please help me on this apt-proxy issue ? http://www.pastebin.ca/773443 |
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| 15:23.06 | rubymonk | This is what the log tells... |
| 15:24.21 | rubymonk | What tries to get the file is debootstrap... giving me this error: W: Retrying failed download of http://localhost:9999/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
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| 15:27.11 | twobitsprite | so, I noticed that mysql doesn't like distributing man pages... is postgresql more opensource-friendly? |
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| 15:27.59 | abrotman | pgsql is BSDL if that impacts your decision |
| 15:28.18 | abrotman | twobitsprite: IMO .. pgsql is a technically superior DB (and yeah .. i find the docs are pretty good) |
| 15:28.23 | simonrvn | rubymonk: i wouldn't worry too much about that, if a Packages.gz exists. the .bz2 is the first one it tries for. if it's erroring and quitting because of it, then that's a bug IMO |
| 15:28.30 | twobitsprite | abrotman: cool, thanks |
| 15:28.52 | rubymonk | simonrvn, Well, it's been like 20 minutes it hangs... |
| 15:28.53 | simonrvn | pg* |
| 15:28.54 | twobitsprite | I'll be sure to let the mysql people know my decision :) |
| 15:29.01 | abrotman | twobitsprite: they won't really care .. |
| 15:29.06 | simonrvn | rubymonk: i'd call that a bug too |
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| 15:29.28 | rubymonk | Well, found the bug report... |
| 15:29.42 | simonrvn | it should just keep going and not care as long it can download some Packages.* file |
| 15:30.29 | simonrvn | the data is what's important, not if it's compressed or not... |
| 15:30.47 | simonrvn | </2 cents> |
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| 15:31.05 | Jabberwock | Hi. What package is tor in? |
| 15:31.09 | simonrvn | and hi abrotman |
| 15:31.24 | rubymonk | simonrvn, I don't care, it's debootstrap that wants to download it... |
| 15:31.37 | simonrvn | yeh, i realise that ;) |
| 15:31.39 | FalscherHase | Jabberwock: tor |
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| 15:31.53 | simonrvn | !tell Jabberwock -about search |
| 15:31.56 | Jabberwock | Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 15:32.11 | FalscherHase | Jabberwock: oh, it's only in testing and unstable |
| 15:32.14 | Jabberwock | !tell simonrvn -about presumptions |
| 15:32.22 | Jabberwock | Ah! Thanks. |
| 15:32.23 | abrotman | hi simonrvn! |
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| 15:32.46 | simonrvn | Jabberwock: troll |
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| 15:32.50 | abrotman | Jabberwock: the tor maintainer (and upstream) feel that tor moves too fast to be included in a stable release |
| 15:33.02 | Jabberwock | simonrvn: Hardly. |
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| 15:33.10 | Jabberwock | abrotman: Interesting... |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | Jabberwock: why interesting? |
| 15:33.16 | rubymonk | Crap, everything was working so fine yesterday :( |
| 15:33.22 | abrotman | fiber! |
| 15:33.22 | FalscherHase | Jabberwock: i see that backports.org has a tor package for stable |
| 15:33.25 | Jabberwock | abrotman: Because I had no other response :P |
| 15:33.33 | Jabberwock | FalscherHase: Thank you :) |
| 15:33.43 | abrotman | Jabberwock: if you look in the archived tor bug reports .. you sohuld see the RC bug that held it out of etch .. |
| 15:33.56 | Jabberwock | I just noticed that |
| 15:33.58 | Jabberwock | https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/152232 |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378758 |
| 15:34.14 | Jabberwock | I'll install from source |
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| 15:34.44 | abrotman | Jabberwock: i think weasel keeps unofficial packages |
| 15:34.55 | krissarge | Hello, smbdy could give me ideas ton configure a desktop for both home and work, but with NIS at work... Using another item of grub menu at boot ? |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 15:35.09 | simonrvn | people.d.o/~weasel/ iirc |
| 15:35.11 | Jabberwock | I'll `alien` the rpm |
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| 15:35.26 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:35.30 | Jabberwock | Well let me see what is in noreply.org first |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | apparently i'm on ignore |
| 15:35.40 | rubymonk | Well, ht ebug report I found wasn't the same issue :( |
| 15:35.54 | simonrvn | abrotman: eh? |
| 15:35.57 | Jabberwock | abrotman: Calm yourself. I'm reading what you're typing and exploring at the same time. |
| 15:36.10 | simonrvn | nm |
| 15:36.27 | abrotman | Jabberwock: that's the last time i give you cookies! |
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| 15:36.52 | rubymonk | abrotman, I'd accept your cookies :P |
| 15:36.57 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 15:36.58 | rubymonk | with my apt-proxy issue.. |
| 15:37.13 | abrotman | i wasn't even close |
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| 15:37.32 | Jabberwock | abrotman: I have no control over your perception or emotional response. I can only suggest you dim your sensitivity in this insensitive medium of buffoonery and confusion |
| 15:37.47 | rubymonk | uh |
| 15:37.50 | Jabberwock | I greatly appreciate your help :) |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | Jabberwock: next time i'll just give oyu the bug and let you flounder around :) |
| 15:38.06 | Jabberwock | Nice. |
| 15:38.08 | Eulex | I was 1 month 9 days off :) |
| 15:38.35 | abrotman | Eulex: not bad! |
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| 15:38.43 | abrotman | Eulex: did you win something? like a release? |
| 15:38.44 | Eulex | but arsion was closest |
| 15:38.59 | Eulex | ah, wait |
| 15:39.04 | Eulex | *2006* |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | Eulex: there are other etch pool factoids |
| 15:39.25 | Eulex | yep, I know |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | Eulex: looks like resiak was pretty darn close |
| 15:39.48 | Eulex | yep |
| 15:40.23 | abrotman | hark was close too .. but resiak was closer |
| 15:41.00 | simonrvn | caphuso was dead on ;p |
| 15:41.10 | abrotman | but he cheated! |
| 15:41.33 | simonrvn | afk, need food |
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| 15:49.09 | rubymonk | well... guess I'll give up on this crap |
| 15:49.10 | rubymonk | :( |
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| 15:49.57 | Jabberwock | Thank you all. |
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| 15:50.57 | Usiu | Hi |
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| 15:51.13 | Usiu | How to boot debian in single mode with networking and ssh ? |
| 15:51.15 | fedya | my vi is acting funny, whenever i'm in edit mode and im trying to use the arrows to move or delete someting it types letters, like it has the wrong keyboard layout or something |
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| 15:51.27 | Usiu | For example I want to resize2fs / filesystem |
| 15:51.40 | Usiu | is it possible to boot with / readonly mode ? |
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| 15:53.18 | Davey | Can anyone tell me the recommended --with-prefix value for some configure for something custom compiled? |
| 15:53.22 | abrotman | Usiu: use a livecd |
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| 15:53.28 | twobitsprite | fedya: do you have 'nocompatible' set? |
| 15:53.34 | abrotman | Davey: /usr/local/ most likely |
| 15:53.42 | Davey | abrotman: I think that just might be it, thanks |
| 15:53.50 | Usiu | abrotman, I am 300km far away only ssh :( |
| 15:53.58 | fedya | twobitsprite: where do you set that, and what should it be set to? |
| 15:54.00 | spal | Davey: mostly you can ignore it, it takes an appropriate value automatically. |
| 15:54.08 | rubymonk | Am I the only one to experience this ? Having apt-proxy working fine a day, touching nothing and having it stopping to work the other day ? |
| 15:54.19 | Davey | spal: PHP installs somewhere weird by default (at least, by debian standards ;) |
| 15:54.29 | twobitsprite | fedya: in vi you can type ":set nocompatible" or in your ~/.vimrc put "set nocompatible" |
| 15:54.30 | spal | Davey: ok |
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| 15:54.50 | twobitsprite | fedya: however, this is probably a question better suited for #vim |
| 15:55.45 | valdyn | rubymonk: you want to use approx |
| 15:55.47 | krissarge | Hello, smbdy could give me ideas ton configure a desktop for both home and work, but with NIS at work... Using another item of grub menu at boot ? |
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| 15:56.25 | rubymonk | valdyn, No, because approx seems to not work with debootstrap, tried yesterday, ended up installing apt-proxy |
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| 15:57.44 | valdyn | rubymonk: works fine with debootstrap |
| 15:57.58 | rubymonk | valdyn, Ok, then, I maybe misconfigured |
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| 15:58.13 | valdyn | rubymonk: guess so, its debootstrapping right now.. |
| 15:58.19 | valdyn | rubymonk: and its working fine |
| 15:58.28 | rubymonk | Would you mind pasting somewhere your approx.conf and sources.list ? |
| 15:58.48 | valdyn | rubymonk: what does the sources.list have to do with debootstrap? |
| 15:59.02 | rubymonk | err |
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| 15:59.13 | rubymonk | just having my brain glued now |
| 15:59.14 | rubymonk | :) |
| 15:59.23 | rubymonk | well, approx.conf |
| 15:59.28 | rubymonk | sorry :) |
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| 15:59.40 | simonrvn | rubymonk: sounds like you need to take a break from it a little |
| 16:00.04 | rubymonk | simonrvn, I'm in the last week before the release of the product... |
| 16:00.09 | rubymonk | And I'm late |
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| 16:00.26 | valdyn | rubymonk: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/rubymonk |
| 16:00.31 | rubymonk | valdyn, Thanks :) |
| 16:01.06 | valdyn | rubymonk: probably to loaded connection to access for you, let me know |
| 16:02.00 | rubymonk | What you mean ? |
| 16:02.06 | simonrvn | rubymonk: oh, too bad. not even like a couple of hours? |
| 16:02.32 | rubymonk | simonrvn, Well, I guess you're right... I'll maybe take an our or so |
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| 16:02.47 | rubymonk | just after configuring this and beeing able to really relax :P |
| 16:02.49 | valdyn | rubymonk: that valdyn.us.to bandwidth is small and it could be timing out when you access it |
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| 16:03.01 | rubymonk | oh, ok |
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| 16:03.09 | rubymonk | it worked :) |
| 16:03.12 | rubymonk | Thanks you :) |
| 16:03.33 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 16:04.14 | rubymonk | well, what worked is the bandwidth thing... trying the debootstrap soon :) |
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| 16:07.20 | helo | is there a command that sanely gets rid of everything currently in /var/log so that programs logging can continue to do so? |
| 16:08.06 | Eulex | rm? |
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| 16:08.29 | helo | if i rm a file that a daemon is logging to, will the daemon just recreate it? |
| 16:09.59 | amaia | hi! im suffering from a problem related to i/o performance on a linux software raid 1... when I write to the disk, i get 6MB/s (with the machine getting unresponsive - loads of 15). without raid, I get about 43MB/s |
| 16:10.07 | amaia | is there any way to optimize the raid? |
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| 16:11.24 | bwlang | amaia: i bet you have some config error... are you using mdadm? |
| 16:11.39 | amaia | yes |
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| 16:11.54 | bwlang | amaia: what does cat /proc/mdstat say? |
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| 16:13.22 | bwlang | amaia: here's a typical line md2 : active raid1 sde1[1] sdd1[0] |
| 16:13.22 | bwlang | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.52 | helo | if i want to clear nullmailer's queue, can i just rm /var/spool/nullmailer/{queue,tmp}/* ? |
| 16:14.24 | amaia | its like that |
| 16:14.27 | amaia | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 16:14.27 | amaia | md0 : active raid1 hda3[0] |
| 16:14.27 | amaia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.39 | helo | will i break any runnign programs if i do 'rm /var/log/*.gz /var/log/*.0; for f in /var/log/*; do [[ -f "$f" ]] && echo "" > "$f"; done' |
| 16:20.58 | helo | i'm unsure of the interaction when clearing out the contents of a file that may be in use |
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| 16:21.22 | helo | with the file pointers, etc |
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| 16:25.29 | bwlang | amaia: you only have one devicein your raid 1.... |
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| 16:25.55 | bwlang | amaia: at least that's what youprinted out... (but the UU conflict with that information) |
| 16:26.10 | amaia | hows that |
| 16:26.13 | amaia | oh |
| 16:26.22 | amaia | the hdb3 is missing right? |
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| 16:26.48 | bwlang | amaia: yeah - i don't know if it's supposed to be hdb3, but some drive is missing |
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| 16:27.07 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 16:27.14 | bwlang | amaia: it may be obvious... but you don't have both drivese connected as master and slave on the same cable do you? |
| 16:27.18 | abrotman | helo: likely not |
| 16:27.25 | sobersabre | Does anybody know when will be samba 3.0.26a in Debian Etch ? |
| 16:27.30 | abrotman | helo: you could check with fuser or lsof |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | sobersabre: it won't be .. you know how stable works .. |
| 16:27.58 | sobersabre | I can see: 3.0.24-6etch4 |
| 16:28.04 | amaia | bwlang, good question... it's a server someone installed and delivered to me to admin |
| 16:28.05 | Maulkin | sobersabre: Never |
| 16:28.07 | abrotman | right .. and that's what it will stay |
| 16:28.09 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 16:28.10 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 16:28.10 | sobersabre | and there's been quite a serious vuln. found. |
| 16:28.17 | amaia | i'll have to check but somethings not right here |
| 16:28.17 | abrotman | sobersabre: so they'll backport the fix |
| 16:28.23 | jelly | sobersabre: never. But security fixes get applied. |
| 16:28.37 | biopyte | hi folks, i'm connected to a local file server (samba). File transfers are very slow only for me, but not for colleagues here with their windows/mac. any idea? |
| 16:28.45 | bwlang | amaia: that would kill the performance - but i'd try failing the second drive out of the array and hot adding it back (actually i'd take a backup first!!) |
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| 16:28.53 | biopyte | lenny here |
| 16:28.55 | sobersabre | jelly: samba call their security fix "3.0.26a" |
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| 16:29.01 | abrotman | good for them |
| 16:29.04 | fedya | any idea why ncurses apps like aptitude have weird letters for the border instead of blocks through ssh? |
| 16:29.04 | Maulkin | sobersabre: Do you have a CVE ID? |
| 16:29.10 | sobersabre | Maulkin: yes. |
| 16:29.11 | jelly | sobersabre: subscribe to DSA if you want to keep track of security fixes. |
| 16:29.13 | sobersabre | moment. |
| 16:29.20 | amaia | bwlang, ok thanks! |
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| 16:29.37 | sobersabre | here: CVE-2007-4138 |
| 16:29.48 | jelly | sobersabre: or, for starters, just visit http://security.debian.org |
| 16:30.01 | Maulkin | [etch] - samba <not-affected> (Vulnerable code was introduced in 3.0.25) |
| 16:30.09 | Maulkin | sobersabre: There you go |
| 16:30.17 | abrotman | drama queen! :) |
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| 16:30.21 | jelly | Maulkin: show him how to fish |
| 16:30.34 | Maulkin | Debian is not affected at all by CVE-2007-4138 |
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| 16:30.52 | Maulkin | jelly: and they'll go out on the lake all day, get drunk, adn catch nothing. |
| 16:31.02 | abrotman | sounds like a good day! |
| 16:31.03 | sobersabre | Maulkin: why so ? |
| 16:31.11 | sobersabre | I mean why not affected ? |
| 16:31.12 | Maulkin | sobersabre: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2007-4138 |
| 16:31.15 | Maulkin | [etch] - samba <not-affected> (Vulnerable code was introduced in 3.0.25) |
| 16:31.22 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 16:31.24 | sobersabre | :) |
| 16:31.26 | abrotman | sobersabre: he just told you .. the broken code was introduced in 3.0.25 .. etch has 3.0.22 |
| 16:31.26 | sobersabre | :):) |
| 16:31.28 | jelly | Maulkin: thanks ;-) |
| 16:31.37 | sobersabre | abrotman: my etch has 24 |
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| 16:31.49 | Maulkin | sobersabre: that's still < 3.0.25 |
| 16:31.50 | apollo13 | hi, gnome-volume-manager tells me: volume.ignore set to true on /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_1D07_0E74, not mounting. Where is this settings? |
| 16:31.56 | sobersabre | Maulkin: true. |
| 16:32.08 | abrotman | sobersabre: erm .. yes .24 sorry |
| 16:32.20 | Maulkin | sobersabre: id you have a CVE ID, look at http://security-tracker.debian.net/ for current statuses. |
| 16:32.24 | Maulkin | *if |
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| 16:32.56 | jelly | twould be nice if http://security-tracker.debian.net/ was refenced right on s.d.o web page |
| 16:32.57 | sparr_w | Is it possible to remove pages from a PDF file without affecting the remaining pages in any way? |
| 16:33.05 | Maulkin | In fact, samba has no publically known open security holes. |
| 16:33.14 | sobersabre | Maulkin: I got it, thanks. I love Debian :) |
| 16:33.18 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:33.18 | cahoot | pdftk (IIRC) |
| 16:33.27 | Jyzygzy- | is there a better printer driver than cups? |
| 16:33.34 | sobersabre | Maulkin: and how about publically unknown ones ? |
| 16:33.35 | sobersabre | :) |
| 16:33.58 | sobersabre | as long as samba starts working with AD... isn't it a vulnerability in itself ? |
| 16:34.20 | Maulkin | sobersabre: Well, I can't tell you if there are or aren't any, can I? |
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| 16:34.44 | sobersabre | Maulkin: rhetorical question from me -> same same from you. |
| 16:34.54 | sobersabre | :] |
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| 16:36.11 | twobitsprite | what is the default admin user for postgresql in debian? |
| 16:36.20 | Maulkin | postgres |
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| 16:36.54 | Jyzygzy- | hey |
| 16:36.58 | Jyzygzy- | where do i see printer jobs? |
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| 16:37.19 | cahoot | localhost:631/jobs |
| 16:37.20 | twobitsprite | Maulkin: is there a password? |
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| 16:37.39 | Jyzygzy- | cahoot it says there are none |
| 16:37.48 | Jyzygzy- | but printer keeps printing and printing and printing |
| 16:37.49 | sobersabre | twobitsprite: grep postgre /etc/passwd |
| 16:37.51 | Scurz | twobitsprite: read the postgres official doc |
| 16:38.20 | twobitsprite | Scurz: I'm trying to :) |
| 16:38.32 | Scurz | :) |
| 16:38.33 | Maulkin | twobitsprite: no |
| 16:38.41 | sobersabre | twobitsprite: well, good luck in that! :) |
| 16:39.00 | sobersabre | make sure you realize what's the difference in local and host connection.... |
| 16:39.07 | cahoot | Jyzygzy-: happends if one sends wrong type of format to the printer |
| 16:39.09 | Scurz | twobitsprite: because it's written in the posgres officiel doc |
| 16:39.12 | sobersabre | ok guys thanks for the help! |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | twobitsprite: su to root .. then su - postgres |
| 16:39.45 | Jyzygzy- | jesus |
| 16:39.48 | Jyzygzy- | how do i reset it |
| 16:39.56 | Jyzygzy- | its constatntly sending data to printer |
| 16:39.56 | Scurz | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ ;) |
| 16:40.00 | mick_home | anyone work with vservers at all? i'm trying to create my first vserver based on my host OS. this is what i tried: |
| 16:40.01 | Jyzygzy- | i want it to STOP |
| 16:40.14 | mick_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.16 | mick_home | /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/cm: Function not implemented |
| 16:40.22 | Jyzygzy- | where is the printer control? |
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| 16:40.33 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: turn off the printer? |
| 16:40.39 | mick_home | Jyzygzy-: you want to stop the printer? |
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| 16:40.40 | Scurz | Jyzygzy-: you use which tool for your printer ? |
| 16:40.46 | Jyzygzy- | cups? |
| 16:40.47 | mick_home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:40.55 | abrotman | it's likely already been spooled and is in the printer memory .. good luck using cups to stop it |
| 16:40.56 | jelly | whoa, I've just hit global limit of open files on a desktop system. Apparently 16k is not enough. |
| 16:40.56 | Scurz | Jyzygzy-: /etc/init.d/cups stop ? |
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| 16:41.04 | Jyzygzy- | no such |
| 16:41.06 | cahoot | disconnect |
| 16:41.13 | cahoot | unplug |
| 16:41.18 | Jyzygzy- | cupsys |
| 16:41.18 | abrotman | TURN IT OFF |
| 16:41.20 | abrotman | jesus |
| 16:41.25 | cahoot | get physical |
| 16:41.27 | Scurz | cupsys yes |
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| 16:41.56 | rafas | there is some way of skip prompt for "apt-cdrom add" ? |
| 16:42.08 | Jyzygzy- | yay |
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| 16:42.11 | Jyzygzy- | it not printing anymore |
| 16:42.15 | Jyzygzy- | and no data is being received |
| 16:42.16 | cahoot | wow |
| 16:42.24 | Jyzygzy- | now i wanna get rid of cups and have something better |
| 16:42.29 | Jyzygzy- | something that actually works |
| 16:42.31 | mick_home | lol |
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| 16:42.35 | mick_home | cups does work |
| 16:42.45 | jelly | Jyzygzy-: cups works. You have a PEBCAK issue. |
| 16:42.54 | Jyzygzy- | what do i do |
| 16:42.58 | OminousZ | those are the worst |
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| 16:43.04 | Jyzygzy- | apt-get remove --purge cups |
| 16:43.09 | mick_home | ID10T errors are the hardest to fix |
| 16:43.10 | Jyzygzy- | then reinstall? |
| 16:43.16 | abrotman | !tell Jyzygzy- about enter |
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| 16:43.39 | OminousZ | ID 10 T? |
| 16:43.51 | norc | Hello. I guess the nvidia drivers are still not in Testing. Right? |
| 16:43.52 | Jyzygzy- | apt-get remove --purge cups && apt-get install cups |
| 16:43.56 | Jyzygzy- | this lets me start over? |
| 16:43.57 | abrotman | norc: right |
| 16:44.00 | Ronin | OminousZ: yep, most common error |
| 16:44.00 | norc | :| |
| 16:44.02 | cahoot | Jyzygzy-: reinstall won't magically fix misconfiguration |
| 16:44.09 | Jyzygzy- | well i wanna start over |
| 16:44.22 | grendal_prime | ok i need to rsync a dir, but there are two subdir's i need to exclude..is there a way to exclude an entire dir? |
| 16:44.33 | OminousZ | Never heard of an error id'd as 10 T |
| 16:44.40 | grendal_prime | ive tried the way it suggests..in the man file. it doesnt work though |
| 16:44.42 | XoX | in what package is ethool? |
| 16:44.57 | cahoot | ethtool? |
| 16:44.59 | jelly | OminousZ: don't be an. ;-) |
| 16:44.59 | Jyzygzy- | now |
| 16:45.02 | Jyzygzy- | can i do this |
| 16:45.04 | XoX | yes |
| 16:45.06 | Jyzygzy- | fuck this im just gonna try |
| 16:45.12 | XoX | i gues ethtool package |
| 16:45.14 | XoX | i guess |
| 16:45.15 | norc | abrotman: Is there a reason why packages that belong to unstable are not replaced by their previous versions if those are in stable? |
| 16:45.30 | abrotman | because they might not work? |
| 16:45.38 | norc | abrotman: because? .. |
| 16:45.39 | OminousZ | jelly, I'm gripping the edge of my desk waiting for the completion of that sentence, so I can finish my joke :-P |
| 16:45.48 | norc | abrotman: I thought stable meant "it works" |
| 16:45.51 | abrotman | norc: libc6 dependencies? kernel versions? blahblah |
| 16:45.54 | norc | oh |
| 16:46.01 | Maulkin | !downgrad |
| 16:46.01 | jelly | OminousZ: id10t? |
| 16:46.02 | abrotman | norc: sure .. but testing doesn't mean that stable packages will work with it |
| 16:46.04 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
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| 16:46.04 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 16:46.21 | mick_home | !vserver |
| 16:46.21 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
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| 16:46.33 | OminousZ | Oh my gosh! idiot?! Wow! You've taken numbers that resemble letters and replaced them! |
| 16:46.35 | mick_home | ok - that might help |
| 16:46.55 | OminousZ | Hey, that's so unique and fresh, you should watch out. That might catch on! |
| 16:46.59 | jelly | OminousZ: at least pebcak is less obvious |
| 16:47.03 | norc | Maulkin: Well, after a few days I decided that removing Debian Testing and installing Debian Stable was the easier solution. |
| 16:47.05 | mick_home | lol |
| 16:47.10 | OminousZ | indeed :-P |
| 16:47.14 | norc | abrotman: But I see you have a point there, thanks for the info |
| 16:47.33 | Maulkin | norc: yes, good plan. You'll need to re-install |
| 16:47.49 | jelly | OminousZ: but if you're doing support over the phone, an eye dee ten tee problem is all right I guess |
| 16:47.50 | norc | Maulkin: Well, I have. |
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| 16:47.56 | Jyzygzy- | so i install cups |
| 16:47.58 | norc | Maulkin: but now I want a specific version thats only in testing. |
| 16:48.08 | Jyzygzy- | i "add printer" and provide the correct "driver" |
| 16:48.10 | norc | Maulkin: and installing it manually would mean I have to install a lot of dependencies as well. |
| 16:48.15 | OminousZ | jelly, hey, yeah, you've got a point... it's not as obvious then |
| 16:48.17 | Maulkin | norc: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:48.22 | Maulkin | norc: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 16:48.25 | mikes_ | hello all! what's the best way to create a debian live cd? |
| 16:48.25 | norc | Maulkin: the package I require is not available in backports ;) |
| 16:48.33 | abrotman | norc: the nvidia driveres? |
| 16:48.33 | Maulkin | (though you're better off with backports) |
| 16:48.41 | Maulkin | !simple-cdd |
| 16:48.42 | rafas | some way of "apt-cdrom add" dont prompt? like apt-cdrom add <cd label> ?? |
| 16:48.42 | Maulkin | hrm |
| 16:48.42 | OminousZ | mikes, first you rub two sticks together... |
| 16:48.46 | abrotman | norc: you can /msg dpkg simple sid backport and build your own |
| 16:48.48 | norc | abrotman: no, thats the reason why I downgraded from testing to stable |
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| 16:49.02 | Maulkin | mikes_: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 16:49.12 | sparr_w | i want to print a pdf with shrunken pages, 4 pages per sheet of paper. what tool can do that? |
| 16:49.22 | abrotman | !simple-cdd is <reply>http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 16:49.22 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 16:49.26 | abrotman | Maulkin: better? :) |
| 16:49.32 | Maulkin | !cdd |
| 16:49.33 | dpkg | Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 16:49.36 | mikes_ | thanks a lot Maulkin |
| 16:49.36 | abrotman | oh damn it! |
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| 16:49.42 | Maulkin | You lose :) |
| 16:49.47 | abrotman | you called the wrong thing! |
| 16:49.58 | Airbottle | hey i have a process which status is not interruptable, but i want it to end, how can i do that? It doesnt work via process management |
| 16:50.09 | abrotman | maybe kill the PPID |
| 16:50.18 | norc | abrotman: that might get ugly, right? |
| 16:50.22 | XoX | anyone have problems with r8169 not working more than 100mbit? |
| 16:50.30 | Airbottle | i tried to play nexuiz, but it freezed, and now i cannot stop that program, |
| 16:50.34 | abrotman | norc: it's possible .. but it's better than what some others do |
| 16:50.39 | norc | Airbottle: kill -9 |
| 16:50.59 | norc | abrotman: ok, but it sounds interesting though |
| 16:51.07 | jelly | Airbottle: that's usually attributer to a driver or hardware problem |
| 16:51.16 | norc | abrotman: just to be sure, once I do this there is no easy way back. right |
| 16:51.19 | norc | ? |
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| 16:51.45 | abrotman | norc: uhm .. you can force the downgrade if you really need to |
| 16:51.53 | jelly | Airbottle: if kill -9 doesn't work (and it usually doesn't), not much you can do |
| 16:51.56 | norc | abrotman: which might make things even uglier |
| 16:52.05 | norc | jelly: actually there is nothing he can do |
| 16:52.06 | abrotman | norc: depends what the software is |
| 16:52.08 | norc | but reboot the box |
| 16:52.10 | Airbottle | bash: kill: nexuiz-linux-686-glx: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 16:52.19 | abrotman | so give it an PID |
| 16:52.37 | jelly | Airbottle: kill uses the process id (number) as the argument |
| 16:52.48 | Airbottle | i tried that, but i got no response |
| 16:52.48 | norc | 17:51 < jelly> Airbottle: if kill -9 doesn't work (and it usually doesn't), not much you can do |
| 16:52.54 | abrotman | or kill -9 `pidof nexuiz-linux-686-glx` |
| 16:52.56 | norc | what makes you say it usually doesnt |
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| 16:53.03 | abrotman | or kill the PPID |
| 16:53.13 | norc | because usually it works, because if this doesnt work it means there is something seriously wrong |
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| 16:53.27 | Braden` | Hello |
| 16:53.28 | Airbottle | it doesnt work norc |
| 16:53.41 | grendal_prime | abrotman: you any good with rsync? |
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| 16:53.45 | jelly | norc: for uninterruptible processes hung on I/O it doesn't |
| 16:53.46 | norc | abrotman: well, there are different packages, like gimp |
| 16:53.50 | grendal_prime | i need to rsync a dir, but there are two subdir's i need to exclude..is there a way to exclude an entire dir? |
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| 16:54.04 | norc | jelly: thats not a bug, its a feature |
| 16:54.04 | Tchinkatchuk_ | hi all |
| 16:54.14 | Braden` | I am trying to install debian. It boots into the install menu, but the install program can't detect my cdrom when thats what it booted off of in the first place. I am using Debian 4.0r1 |
| 16:54.20 | Tchinkatchuk_ | I need help on re installin mod_evasive20 on debian Sarge. Could someone help me ? I succeed in installation and remove but I can not reinstall anymore |
| 16:54.20 | Airbottle | ok thanks guys, i think i have to restart than, its taking 50 mb of my precious ram :p |
| 16:54.21 | abrotman | norc: that's a large chunk of stuff you'll need .. gimp2.4 isn't at backports.org? |
| 16:54.30 | norc | abrotman: nope |
| 16:54.41 | jelly | norc: I'm not arguing, just explaining. |
| 16:54.42 | abrotman | norc: well .. what'st eh worst that happens :) |
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| 16:54.55 | Braden` | Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 16:54.55 | norc | jelly: im just saying ;) |
| 16:54.58 | muh2000 | configure: WARNING: "STL header file was not found in /usr/include/g++." :/ how to fix that? |
| 16:55.01 | bfrog | is there some sort of menu editor for gnome, not alacarte, but like a _real_ menu editor |
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| 16:55.32 | jelly | muh2000: what are you trying to build? |
| 16:55.38 | abrotman | grendal_prime: man rsync .. there's a --exclude |
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| 16:55.45 | muh2000 | jellyy nzbget |
| 16:55.58 | norc | abrotman: I believe it's not in backports because it requires a lot of packages not available in stable. |
| 16:56.02 | grendal_prime | ya abrotman that does not seem to work for dir's |
| 16:56.22 | mbroeker | muh2000, did you install the corresponding -dev paks? |
| 16:56.39 | jelly | muh2000: you'll need to install a package that provides libstdc++-dev |
| 16:56.43 | norc | jelly: although its not really a feature either, its more like a workaround, because the peripheral software expects all I/O actions to completely work. |
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| 16:57.07 | jelly | norc: that crazy userspace! |
| 16:58.05 | muh2000 | jelly libstdc++6-4.2-dev is already installed |
| 16:58.38 | jelly | norc: FUSE wreaks havoc with the layers tho. You can have an uninterruptible process hung on, say, dead curlftpfs file, but you can kill off curlftpfs itself (and the process resumes and dies cleanly) |
| 16:58.57 | Braden` | Anyone at all? |
| 16:59.21 | jelly | muh2000: dunno then. It's a warning after all. |
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| 16:59.25 | norc | jelly: I didn't know that. |
| 16:59.39 | norc | I was referring to NFS etc |
| 16:59.54 | abrotman | grendal_prime: it's a pattern match |
| 17:00.00 | muh2000 | jelly well the make fails with multiple errors :( |
| 17:00.01 | abrotman | norc: or it's not done yet |
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| 17:00.18 | jelly | norc: yeah, nfs used to be the common case for me too until I started using hacks like sshfs and the aforementioned curlftpfs |
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| 17:01.15 | jelly | norc: fake ftp filesystem is nice if you want to boot a virtual machine off an iso image, but don't want to download all of it ;-) |
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| 17:01.39 | mbroeker | muh2000, which package requires an include path /some/where/g++ and where did you get it? |
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| 17:02.31 | norc | abrotman: The reason doesn't matter, because it's not there. ;) |
| 17:02.41 | abrotman | damn straight! |
| 17:02.42 | muh2000 | mbroeker: not a package, just an tar.gz (it is nzbget) |
| 17:03.15 | petemc | muh2000: you've tried hellanzb? |
| 17:03.17 | jelly | muh2000: where did you nzbget it? |
| 17:03.19 | norc | jelly: mhmm |
| 17:03.38 | norc | jelly: I'll take a look at it |
| 17:03.51 | Braden` | Has anyone here used debian 4.0r1, or does everyone just use Sarge? |
| 17:03.53 | mbroeker | muh2000, locate stl and you will see, that debian stores that files in /usr/include/c++ instead of g++ |
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| 17:04.02 | norc | Braden`: sarge is obsolete. |
| 17:04.11 | petemc | norc: not yet its not |
| 17:04.18 | petemc | by the definition of the word |
| 17:04.23 | jelly | Braden`: some people claim they've used it. |
| 17:04.31 | Braden` | norc: Then why can't this new debian installer detect my cdrom which is what the installer booted off of anyways |
| 17:04.36 | muh2000 | petemc: no, is it good? jelly: sourceforge, mbroeker ok i look it up |
| 17:04.41 | grendal_prime | abrotman: and i did man rsync already as well as google and try several differnt suggestions...its werid..non of them are working |
| 17:04.48 | petemc | muh2000: yeah, works well for me |
| 17:04.48 | norc | petemc: from debian.org: "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (sarge) — obsolete stable release" |
| 17:04.58 | petemc | norc: its still supported |
| 17:05.03 | norc | petemc: and obsolete |
| 17:05.04 | jelly | Braden`: is it a sata device? |
| 17:05.10 | muh2000 | petemc: is it cli or with a frontend? |
| 17:05.25 | petemc | norc: ill take it up with debian, then |
| 17:05.30 | jelly | Braden`: if it is, try installing from images at /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:05.32 | petemc | muh2000: cli |
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| 17:06.00 | muh2000 | petemc: is it possible to configure it as a daemon and let it scan a folder for nzb files every once in a while? |
| 17:06.04 | yetanothername | /Join #ubuntu-se |
| 17:06.06 | adrakoa | bye |
| 17:06.08 | petemc | muh2000: thats how it works |
| 17:06.08 | jelly | Braden`: the kernel in default images seems to be too old for a lot of recent hardware |
| 17:06.15 | norc | Braden`: well, why doesnt my car work anymore? |
| 17:06.36 | muh2000 | petemc: :) i think i should give it a try |
| 17:06.36 | mbroeker | muh2000, ln -s /usr/include/c++/ /usr/include/g++ && make && rm -f /usr/include/g++; |
| 17:06.42 | Braden` | its ata |
| 17:06.46 | Braden` | not sata |
| 17:07.24 | Jyzygzy- | whats the best light webbrowser? |
| 17:07.31 | Jyzygzy- | dillo apparrently does not support CSS? |
| 17:07.45 | norc | jelly: links2 |
| 17:07.46 | mbroeker | lighthttp or so |
| 17:07.52 | mbroeker | webbrowser |
| 17:07.54 | mbroeker | sorry |
| 17:07.55 | jelly | Braden`: well, I'd try kmuto's netinst with a newer kernel in that case too. Had to use it for an ASUS board |
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| 17:08.03 | Jyzygzy- | xlinks2 ;) |
| 17:08.06 | norc | err Jyzygzy- |
| 17:08.23 | Jyzygzy- | holy shit its crappy |
| 17:09.06 | norc | its nice |
| 17:09.06 | norc | and lightweigth |
| 17:09.06 | Jyzygzy- | dude say that after trying wikipedia |
| 17:09.06 | jelly | elinks ftw |
| 17:09.09 | fedya | how can i alias vi to vim permanently for all users? |
| 17:09.16 | norc | fedya: use symlinks |
| 17:09.25 | Braden` | My board is asus |
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| 17:09.42 | fedya | so i remove the original vi? or just make it vi.old or something? |
| 17:09.42 | norc | fedya: or add an alias to your /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 17:09.48 | jelly | fedya: what does /etc/alternatives/vi point to? |
| 17:10.20 | norc | fedya: `file /etc/alternatives/vi' |
| 17:10.50 | jelly | no, ls -l ;-) |
| 17:10.50 | norc | normally vi is a symlink to vim |
| 17:10.56 | norc | jelly: that works as well. |
| 17:11.18 | norc | jelly: mine is one character shorter |
| 17:11.25 | norc | thus saving memory |
| 17:11.41 | Jyzygzy- | so |
| 17:11.41 | muh2000 | mbroeker: the cmd didnt work. and sry wanted to copy your name not to query you ^^ |
| 17:11.42 | jelly | norc: you don't have a ls -l alias? |
| 17:11.45 | Jyzygzy- | the nice web browser |
| 17:11.47 | fedya | vi -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 17:11.49 | Jyzygzy- | that supports X |
| 17:11.51 | Jyzygzy- | CSS |
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| 17:11.58 | norc | Jyzygzy-: are you on KDE or GNOME? |
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| 17:12.00 | Jyzygzy- | a browser you can browse internet |
| 17:12.03 | Jyzygzy- | norc neither |
| 17:12.10 | Jyzygzy- | Wmii |
| 17:12.12 | fedya | for some reason when i do vi it runs in retard mode, and when i do vim it runs the way im used to, where using the arrow keys moves you around |
| 17:12.14 | muh2000 | i tried different locations... i give hellanzb a shot :) |
| 17:12.31 | norc | Jyzygzy-: doesnt matter then ;) |
| 17:12.50 | Jyzygzy- | i have 64MB memory |
| 17:12.58 | norc | Jyzygzy-: have you tried this great website yet? google.com |
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| 17:13.25 | norc | Jyzygzy-: http://www.google.de/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=Swiftfox:en-US:unofficial&hs=DOg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=lightweight+browsers+linux&spell=1 |
| 17:13.29 | norc | :) |
| 17:13.39 | Jyzygzy- | well ok |
| 17:13.41 | jelly | fedya: hm. if you do update-alternatives --config vi, does it offer anything else apart from /usr/bin/vim.tiny? |
| 17:13.46 | Jyzygzy- | i guess i don't need a browser |
| 17:13.47 | norc | 3rd item |
| 17:14.04 | Jyzygzy- | but the mail system would be nice |
| 17:14.06 | Eulex | Jyzygzy-, I'd recommend using xlinks2 on such a box, _any_ modern web browser will be dead slow on it. |
| 17:14.09 | Jyzygzy- | its still not working |
| 17:14.21 | fedya | there is only one program which provides vi, nothing to configure |
| 17:14.23 | Eulex | Jyzygzy-, try balsa. |
| 17:14.32 | mbroeker | muh2000, maybe your package uses a ./configure script which will fix it or you need to make sure that the include dirs are correct in the makefile |
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| 17:15.19 | fedya | really strange, one is loading /etc/vim/vimrc, the other is not because when i uncomment set compatible vim stops working right, when nocompatible remains set, vim works, vi doesnt |
| 17:15.34 | muh2000 | mbroeker: i looked for the path option to the header files with --help. tried the ones i have on my system. but failed. but i am trying hellanzb, i think it can fit my needs :) |
| 17:15.36 | jelly | fedya: well, a quick fix is to add an alias like someone else suggested, then. I would also try installing real vim and pointing vi to that |
| 17:15.42 | Jyzygzy- | postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 17:15.50 | norc | oi.. w3m is a nice pager as well |
| 17:16.13 | Tchinkatchuk_ | noob question ? is it dangerous to do : apt-get install gcc ? Because I have an error with apxs2 |
| 17:16.24 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: its never dangerous to install |
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| 17:16.38 | fedya | vim-full pkg? |
| 17:16.38 | Tchinkatchuk_ | it is an uopdate in fact norc |
| 17:16.48 | jelly | fedya: nah, just vim |
| 17:16.50 | mbroeker | Tchinkatchuk_, the dangerous part is to remove it. |
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| 17:17.08 | fedya | what would be the difference? |
| 17:17.17 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: are you upgrading your distribution? |
| 17:17.37 | Tchinkatchuk_ | binutils cpp gcc will be updated. I have no risk on thaht part ? I am sorry, I am really noob and it is just for a ... apache mod |
| 17:17.42 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: If you are not, just do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:17.58 | fedya | lol @ that |
| 17:18.01 | fedya | fixed it |
| 17:18.18 | Tchinkatchuk_ | I diid that before but apxs2 give me this error : i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | fedya: look at the description for vim-full (apt-cache show packagename) |
| 17:18.27 | fedya | vi and vim work just as im used to, even better actually, dont even have to press i to start typing in a new document |
| 17:18.35 | fedya | laff @ vim-tiny |
| 17:18.58 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: what debian version? |
| 17:19.22 | Tchinkatchuk_ | norc: with apt-get upgrade, I will have 220 updates ?? |
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| 17:19.39 | jelly | fedya: I think the -tiny didn't have syntax highlighting either |
| 17:19.48 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: that can happen if you dont update and upgrade your system regulary |
| 17:19.48 | Tchinkatchuk_ | norc: Debian 3.1 Sarge |
| 17:19.54 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: oh well |
| 17:20.06 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: *points at the topic* - sarge is still supported, but obsolete. |
| 17:20.23 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: a whole new debian release has happened since your ssytem was last upgraded. |
| 17:20.31 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 17:20.35 | Tchinkatchuk_ | norc: but it is not my server but a customer one and i am a real noob lol |
| 17:20.46 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: well ok, in that case you shouldnt dist-upgrade |
| 17:20.50 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: in that case, stop what you're doing NOW |
| 17:20.50 | norc | but you could |
| 17:21.00 | Jyzygzy- | WTF |
| 17:21.02 | Tchinkatchuk_ | norc: jelly : lol |
| 17:21.04 | norc | I would certainly do |
| 17:21.14 | Jyzygzy- | i can't even get help fixing my MTA cause debian is so fukken custom |
| 17:21.17 | norc | Tchinkatchuk_: May I ask what you are actually doing? |
| 17:21.22 | norc | Jyzygzy-: exim? |
| 17:21.24 | Jyzygzy- | psotfix |
| 17:21.27 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, and output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:21.28 | Jyzygzy- | postfix |
| 17:21.30 | Jyzygzy- | should i install exim? |
| 17:21.33 | norc | /* no comment */ |
| 17:21.44 | amphi | 'should' ? |
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| 17:21.51 | Jyzygzy- | yea |
| 17:21.52 | Jyzygzy- | shoudö |
| 17:21.54 | norc | Jyzygzy-: if depends if you want exim |
| 17:21.54 | Jyzygzy- | lkprW4EÅX ¨ |
| 17:22.01 | Jyzygzy- | i dont know |
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| 17:22.11 | jelly | !tell Jyzygzy- -about enter |
| 17:22.29 | Jyzygzy- | OH |
| 17:22.32 | Tchinkatchuk_ | norc: sure. the only thing i am trying to do is an installation of the apache mod_evasive. i succeed in but desinstall it. So apt-get doesn not want to reinstall. I'll y with apxs2 to complile source but I have a gcc issue |
| 17:22.43 | Jyzygzy- | jelly maybe you wanna code a script to make my lines longer |
| 17:22.57 | Jyzygzy- | every time i press enter it checks if the line is too short |
| 17:23.41 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: http://hashbin.com/15e75.html |
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| 17:23.48 | jelly | Jyzygzy-: well, just stop with unnecessary remarks |
| 17:23.52 | Maulkin | Jyzygzy-: The answer involves engaging your brain to work out if you have finished speaking. |
| 17:24.10 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:24.56 | Tchinkatchuk_ | I need Libc6 2.6 to install my module |
| 17:25.01 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: So you've already half-upgraded to etch. (your hashbin link doesn't work) |
| 17:25.14 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: I'll check |
| 17:25.45 | jelly | libc6 2.6?! /me repeats the stop what you're doing NOW bit ;-) |
| 17:25.53 | fedya | yay, now that is exciting, i got mouse workig in vim!! |
| 17:26.03 | jelly | !pony fedya |
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| 17:27.40 | DawnLight | fedya: i've always wanted a mouse in console |
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| 17:27.54 | amphi | DawnLight: gpm |
| 17:27.56 | jelly | DawnLight: and gpm didn't hlp you? |
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| 17:28.08 | DawnLight | never did anything about it |
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| 17:28.30 | h3sp4wn | fedya: mice are bad and make things actually slower for the most part |
| 17:28.49 | DawnLight | yeah, i hate mice |
| 17:29.21 | DawnLight | i think either getting another hand or stop using the mouse |
| 17:29.25 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d7ccdeb27 |
| 17:29.33 | DawnLight | its restrictive |
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| 17:29.49 | rklassen | why are my interfaces getting renamed |
| 17:29.54 | amphi | DawnLight: not if it's in the keyboard, it isn't ;) |
| 17:30.23 | lontra | i can't seem to get my clock to stay at the correct time. my windows partition is set to the appropriate time but my debian partition is 6 hours behind that. it seems no matter what i try in debian i can't get windows and debian to both show the correct time ... any ideas? |
| 17:30.29 | DawnLight | amphi: like a thinkpad's? |
| 17:30.37 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: your paste is a bit broken, some lines read as "tp:// ..." or "ttp:// " |
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| 17:30.53 | amphi | DawnLight: exactly |
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| 17:30.58 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: I had to because http or ftp were not accepted ^^ |
| 17:31.01 | Maulkin | lontra: install ntp |
| 17:31.04 | DawnLight | lontra: aptitude install ntp |
| 17:31.24 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: :-| paste.debian.net seems to work for me. |
| 17:31.30 | DawnLight | lontra: debian sets system time to utc |
| 17:31.39 | fedya | anyone ever used ispconfig? |
| 17:31.40 | lontra | DawnLight: but utc isn't 5:31 am is it? |
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| 17:32.01 | fedya | utc is 5 32 right now i believe |
| 17:32.03 | r3coba | hi there |
| 17:32.14 | r3coba | wols_ jimmybgood are you there? |
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| 17:32.28 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: nice one : http://paste.debian.net/42408 |
| 17:32.35 | lontra | so installing ntp is all i need to do? |
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| 17:32.52 | flami | Hi, I can remeber a site where you could see when a package was estimated to be in Testing ... anyone know the URL ? |
| 17:33.00 | norc | lontra: you might need to configure it, set the time by hand as close to realtime as you can |
| 17:33.03 | Maulkin | !testing migration |
| 17:33.06 | Maulkin | poo |
| 17:33.07 | r3coba | how do I mount an usb pen? |
| 17:33.10 | Maulkin | Wed Nov 14 17:33:10 GMT 2007 |
| 17:33.16 | Maulkin | (that's UTC) |
| 17:33.17 | norc | r3coba: check dmesg for the device name, then just mount it anywhere you want |
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| 17:34.54 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: your system is half-way between sarge and etch, and so are your sources.list. If it wasn't a production system, I'd suggest upgrading to etch. Which apache do you have installed? |
| 17:34.54 | r3coba | norc sdb is a correct one? |
| 17:35.07 | norc | r3coba: sounds about right.. |
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| 17:35.47 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: I'm asking because if you have apache 1.3, there's libapache-mod-dosevasive for it in etch. |
| 17:35.55 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: it's apache2 |
| 17:36.06 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: I know but unfortunetelay it 2 ^^ |
| 17:36.18 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: you'll need a backport of libapache2-mod-evasive then |
| 17:36.28 | r3coba | norc its a pen with fat32 system file so .. mount -t fat32 /mnt/sdb /mnt/usb ? |
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| 17:36.31 | fedya | i think my ssh is using a wrong character set because i see a's with carrots above them for the ncurses window borders |
| 17:36.34 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: what's a backport ? |
| 17:36.59 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: _don't_ try to install packages from testing or unstable. /msg dpkg backports, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:37.28 | norc | r3coba: device nodes are located in /dev/ |
| 17:37.58 | DawnLight | damn i have i mouse in console 0_0 |
| 17:38.05 | norc | DawnLight: thats gpm :) |
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| 17:38.13 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: Do you think it's better for me to stop now and do not use mod_evasive in any case ? |
| 17:38.16 | r3coba | norc mount -t fat32 /dev/sdb /mnt/usb ? |
| 17:38.30 | norc | r3coba: I think /dev/sdb1 will be the right one |
| 17:38.34 | DawnLight | who needs a desktop environment |
| 17:38.40 | HostilePenguin | mouse scrolling and bery use 100% cpu if using 24 bit 16 bit works fine any sugestions? |
| 17:38.42 | jimmybgood | r3coba: yes, provided /mnt/usb exists |
| 17:38.52 | norc | DawnLight: thats a very good question. |
| 17:39.03 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: I would finish the upgrade to etch, and then (try to) make a backport of mod-evasive |
| 17:39.22 | DawnLight | next i'll just learn emacs and purge kde :o |
| 17:39.42 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: your users using php? php4 or php5? |
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| 17:39.46 | jimmybgood | r3coba: sometimes the device is /dev/sdb sometimes sdb1 sometimes sdb5 |
| 17:40.06 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: What are the risk to do teh apt-get upgrade for apache configuration ssl, and all system ? I know it is a stupid qeustion but i am only dev not admin :-) |
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| 17:40.15 | norc | DawnLight: "emacs sucks! vi forever!!!" ( |
| 17:40.15 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: php4 |
| 17:40.21 | norc | (just a quote) |
| 17:40.23 | r3coba | jimmybgood ok mounted, how do I copy files/folders from windows to usb? |
| 17:40.35 | zophy | DawnLight, Emacs is the computer, everything else is just unnecessary hardware |
| 17:40.39 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: well, some things might break and need fixing. |
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| 17:40.41 | norc | r3coba: from windows? |
| 17:40.50 | norc | r3coba: if you mean from a windows partition then you need to mount that partition as well |
| 17:41.16 | DawnLight | i've once seen a dude have seperate 'windows' in console. what does that? |
| 17:41.20 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: if you're a dev, ask the admin to upgrade the system properly and then continue with adding new functionality. |
| 17:41.28 | Tchinkatchuk_ | Ok, so I think I'll stop there because It's far away from my competences |
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| 17:41.31 | Braden` | DawnLight: screen |
| 17:41.37 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: yeah |
| 17:41.40 | r3coba | norc yes the windows partitions is already mounted |
| 17:41.50 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: Unfortunately, the admin is the customer and he's a fucking ... |
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| 17:41.54 | norc | r3coba: just move the files from the directory to where you want them |
| 17:41.57 | norc | or copy |
| 17:41.58 | norc | whatever |
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| 17:42.15 | DawnLight | Braden`: i mean simultaneosly. the console was divided into a few consoles |
| 17:42.20 | heisel | hola |
| 17:42.38 | Tchinkatchuk_ | jelly: norc : thanks for all your help. I hope never speak to you again ^^. Cheers and have a good night |
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| 17:42.45 | jelly | Tchinkatchuk_: ;-) |
| 17:42.46 | r3coba | norc sorry but wich is the command? cp (from) (to) |
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| 17:43.17 | norc | r3coba: yes |
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| 17:43.29 | jelly | that's quotable material. <Tchinkatchuk_> jelly: norc : thanks for all your help. I hope never speak to you again ^^. Cheers and have a good night |
| 17:43.31 | [HaldriK] | hello |
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| 17:43.34 | mooper | apache mod rewirite doesnt seem to be installed on my system, how do I install it and activate it so rewrite rules in a .htaccess file are used? |
| 17:43.42 | heisel | hola |
| 17:43.47 | mooper | mod_rewrite.c doesnt exist |
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| 17:44.21 | [HaldriK] | I need help, im trying with ippersonality but pathc is for kernel2.4, I need some like this for evade nmap on a server |
| 17:44.26 | zophy | DawnLight, C-a S |
| 17:44.29 | cast | apt-file search mod_rewrite|grep apache |
| 17:44.52 | jelly | mooper: a2enmod rewrite to activate it. Then restart (force-reload) apache, and you "only" have to set it up to work |
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| 17:45.24 | mooper | This module is already enabled! |
| 17:45.26 | Jyzygzy- | what do i put in the System mail name: |
| 17:45.29 | mooper | jelly^ |
| 17:45.40 | heisel | hola |
| 17:45.42 | jelly | mooper: you better believe it, mister |
| 17:45.49 | DawnLight | zophy: wow. interesting |
| 17:45.51 | Jyzygzy- | what do i put in the System mail name: |
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| 17:46.39 | jelly | mooper: so you just need to enable the engine in the config file (your vhost definition, for example) |
| 17:46.39 | mooper | jelly: why do you think it might be ignoring my rewrite rules? |
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| 17:47.00 | [HaldriK] | somebody knows ippersonality? |
| 17:47.06 | jelly | mooper: have you ever configured mod_rewrite to work from scratch? |
| 17:47.06 | xand | who? |
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| 17:47.42 | mooper | jelly: kinda about 5 months ago. that system has dies so Im having to rebuild |
| 17:48.01 | mooper | I still have the .htaccess file, I was thinking it would just work |
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| 17:48.13 | mooper | But I am by nature an optomist |
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| 17:48.28 | DawnLight | an optometrist? |
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| 17:48.45 | jelly | mooper: http://www.google.com/search?q=mod_rewrite+debian |
| 17:48.54 | Mark17 | hello, could someone say how i can change the following setting? now it is requesting a cdrom when i want to install something with apt-get |
| 17:49.04 | r3coba | sorry, but if I want to copy entire folder wich sintax is? |
| 17:49.09 | Mark17 | it should use http or ftp |
| 17:49.14 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i need to connect to irc using an ssh tunnel so made: my pc can't connect to irc but can connect via ssh to a desktop, this desktop can connect via ssh to an outside machine...how should i set up the ssh in order to have this 2 hops |
| 17:49.20 | norc | jelly: If I find myself on bash.org now... |
| 17:49.29 | Mark17 | r3coba: cp -R foldername new_foldername |
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| 17:49.58 | DawnLight | Mark17: man sources.list |
| 17:50.01 | blaamann | Mark17: Take a look in /etc/apt/sources |
| 17:50.03 | amphi | Mark17: remove cd references in your sources.list |
| 17:50.11 | nkuttler | assasukasse: man ssh, -L |
| 17:50.15 | jelly | mooper: or read the canonical mod_rewrite docs to enable it, and canonical apache docs to enable options to work in your .htaccess. #apache |
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| 17:50.34 | jelly | norc: I was thinking !qotd0 |
| 17:50.37 | assasukasse | nkuttler: i know how to do for the same machine that ssh...but not in case i need a double hop |
| 17:50.50 | norc | jelly: I see |
| 17:51.04 | jelly | norc: but I don't want to add a qoute of someone thanking me. :-| |
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| 17:51.33 | assasukasse | nkuttler: A B and C are 3 machines, C is outside of firewall, B can connect to C, and A can connect to B but not with C... |
| 17:51.47 | norc | jelly: you could always ask a third person to add that quote |
| 17:51.51 | norc | or fourth in this case |
| 17:51.54 | nkuttler | assasukasse: so ssh -L foo ssh -L foo... etc |
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| 17:52.06 | nkuttler | assasukasse: just keep forwarding ports |
| 17:52.14 | keith4 | how do I make etch auto-login and start x? |
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| 17:52.42 | sidux | After a hard drive failed, I installed a new drive, restored from backup and re-ran grub-install. Now it boots through "GRUB Loading stage1.5.", "GRUB loading, please wait..." and a small picture of a penguin followed by "Loading, please wait...". But then it hangs. What should I do? |
| 17:52.57 | jelly | !qotd202 |
| 17:52.58 | dpkg | well, qotd202 is <Tchinkatchuk_> jelly: norc : thanks for all your help. I hope never speak to you again ^^. Cheers and have a good night |
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| 17:53.05 | assasukasse | nkuttler: uhm so i do like this: on machine B: ssh -L 5000:irc.freenode.net:6667 userC@C, and on machine A ssh -L 6667:localhost:5000 userB@B? |
| 17:53.07 | norc | sidux: are you sure that it hangs? |
| 17:53.11 | amphi | jelly: heh |
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| 17:53.21 | norc | sidux: maybe your kernel is being loaded in quiet mode |
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| 17:54.20 | import | need some help. where does apt-get place files if you do apt-get -d install |
| 17:54.24 | robboplus_ | is there any reason for which apache would stop sending content in the middle of established connection? pages just start loading and then it takes forever or dies. |
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| 17:54.47 | norc | import: dpkg -L packagename |
| 17:54.52 | spal | robboplus_: are they HTML pages or server side scripts? |
| 17:55.17 | norc | oh wait |
| 17:55.21 | jelly | norc: you won't see it with the random quote qotd0, someone needs to find 7 more interesting quotes to fill up the qotd200 - 209 slot ;-) |
| 17:55.22 | norc | import: I didnt see the -d |
| 17:55.25 | nkuttler | assasukasse: i assume A runs the irc client? i'd do A->B->C then... but thinking about such stuff makes my head spin :-/ |
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| 17:55.27 | import | yea :) |
| 17:55.32 | import | sorry about that |
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| 17:55.34 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 17:55.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd83 is <WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
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| 17:55.51 | norc | import: /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 17:55.51 | assasukasse | nkuttler: u are right, A->B->C |
| 17:55.58 | import | aww ill check thank you |
| 17:56.19 | assasukasse | nkuttler: i dunno about the correct sintax :D i suppose i have to do some tests |
| 17:56.24 | sidux | norc: Thanks for asking. I think it hangs because messages from the kernel used to scroll up the console window during boot, and now they don't. Similarly, grub's configuration file named "menu.lst", passes the same options to the kernel now as when it used to work, so I doubt the kernel is in quiet mode. |
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| 17:56.41 | import | thank you found it |
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| 17:57.06 | norc | sidux: thats interesting |
| 17:57.07 | smacnay | Anyone know the workaround for the latest lenny update of texlive-formats-extra? |
| 17:57.16 | nkuttler | assasukasse: maybe -R is better for your case, just rtfm |
| 17:57.17 | import | norc how do bcm43xx-fwcutter work all i have to do is install it the it will find the broadcom driver and set it up? |
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| 17:57.37 | import | or i mean if i install it the system will then reconize the card |
| 17:57.45 | import | broadcom |
| 17:57.55 | norc | import: Don't ask me. |
| 17:57.56 | fedya | is there a debian hosting or apache setup tutorial somewhere, i want to know the "correct" way to do things, i want to set up this mod_status and some virtual hosts |
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| 17:57.59 | import | :) |
| 17:58.16 | norc | fedya: Oh, there is a website called google |
| 17:58.20 | import | i will google; |
| 17:58.30 | cast | apache has a big fat manual |
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| 17:58.49 | assasukasse | nkuttler: reverse tunnel...i dunno how to solve this prob :D |
| 17:59.07 | sidux | norc: It has been a long time since I've worked on this computer, and I find myself wondering whether I remembered to initialize the swap space. |
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| 17:59.27 | melodosgr | where can i get a debian sid net install iso |
| 17:59.29 | melodosgr | ? |
| 17:59.33 | sidux | How can I check if a certain partition has been initialized as swap space? |
| 17:59.38 | robboplus_ | spal that's server side - mostly php |
| 17:59.57 | r3coba | now i'm copying =) how can i check the capacity of a partition |
| 18:00.13 | norc | sidux: swap is unnecessary |
| 18:00.36 | norc | speaking of swap, I just heard that ppl actually move swap partition into a ramdisk in their ram.. |
| 18:00.42 | norc | is supposed to speed up everything |
| 18:00.46 | heisel | hola |
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| 18:01.16 | jimmybgood | r3coba: df |
| 18:01.22 | DawnLight | but swap is used only when ram is out, aint it? |
| 18:01.36 | norc | DawnLight: mostly, yes |
| 18:01.47 | heisel | hola |
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| 18:02.00 | DawnLight | in what kind of case would one want to do that, norc |
| 18:02.18 | norc | DawnLight: why not |
| 18:02.35 | r3coba | jimmybgood its possible to send files from a pc to another via router using cable? |
| 18:02.38 | norc | DawnLight: write a simple C application that allocates memory until malloc returns 0 |
| 18:02.41 | norc | see what happens |
| 18:02.43 | thelostbutler | hello folks, is there no debian package for perl module xml-rai ? i did search on packages.debian.org and didn't find it. i was wondering if it was known by another name |
| 18:02.51 | spal | robboplus: are you sure the PHP code is not creating the problem? |
| 18:02.53 | Maulkin | If a system has swap, it can swap out inactive memory pages when it's not being used. |
| 18:03.02 | DawnLight | norc: because if there is room in the ram for the swap partition then swap will not be used anyway |
| 18:03.05 | Maulkin | Swap isn't a problem, excessive swapping is. |
| 18:03.06 | fedya | i wanted to know if there's an official "debian way" of doing it |
| 18:03.17 | robboplus_ | spal nope because it's a commercial script and well tested |
| 18:03.26 | norc | DawnLight: oh well, you are talking about that, well yes |
| 18:03.32 | norc | swap in ram is pretty pointless, yes |
| 18:03.36 | norc | unless you have a ramdrive |
| 18:03.41 | jimmybgood | r3coba: of course - samba - ssh and many other ways |
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| 18:03.52 | norc | which is way faster than harddrives |
| 18:03.59 | Maulkin | Yeah... not quite sure on the point in swap in ram |
| 18:04.01 | DawnLight | fedya: what? |
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| 18:04.16 | jelly | fedya: start with README* in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common, then first link in google search for apache2 debian hosting |
| 18:04.17 | norc | Maulkin: there is simply no point at all |
| 18:04.22 | DawnLight | wow, i want a ramdrive |
| 18:04.29 | norc | DawnLight: buy it |
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| 18:04.35 | norc | this isnt the USSR |
| 18:04.38 | DawnLight | no, i want instant computing |
| 18:04.57 | DawnLight | i bet someone has that |
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| 18:05.34 | cusco | what do you mean instant computing? |
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| 18:05.50 | rklassen | why must udev rename my interfaces |
| 18:06.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ |
| 18:06.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 18:06.29 | Jyzygzy- | what do i put in the System mail name: |
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| 18:07.45 | jelly | DawnLight: what do you mean by "instant computing"? |
| 18:08.01 | Maulkin | 7uyjhy sdjkhasdfjkhasdf jkhfsdjklh |
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| 18:08.20 | DawnLight | jelly: no cpu percentages. zero time to calculate |
| 18:08.35 | jelly | DawnLight: calculate what? |
| 18:08.41 | DawnLight | same with ram read/write |
| 18:08.59 | Diafic | I need to go soon, fuse change |
| 18:09.07 | r3coba | jimmybgood so can you explain me the sintax? |
| 18:09.08 | DawnLight | imagine a clock set to 0 |
| 18:09.17 | norc | DawnLight: thats possible if you have infinite memory |
| 18:09.21 | jelly | DawnLight: create a scalable algo and throw lots of hardware at it. |
| 18:09.34 | DawnLight | no, i mean zero 0 |
| 18:09.56 | DawnLight | like if the ram is in the astral plane |
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| 18:10.06 | norc | DawnLight: are you a priest? |
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| 18:10.18 | jelly | DawnLight: you wouldn't need a computer then |
| 18:10.19 | DawnLight | no |
| 18:10.24 | Maulkin | Keep it on topic people, thans. |
| 18:10.26 | Maulkin | *thanks |
| 18:10.33 | jimmybgood | r3coba: time to do research - google about networking linux - pick something appropriate - give it a try - come back when you're stuck |
| 18:10.42 | graytron | so, 4.0r1 was released |
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| 18:11.05 | r3coba | jimmybgood ok good ideia |
| 18:11.18 | jimmybgood | r3coba: samba is good for networking linux and windows |
| 18:11.54 | norc | graytron: yes, about half a year ago |
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| 18:12.03 | norc | I think |
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| 18:12.53 | Toad | howdy all |
| 18:13.16 | Toad | I've been having this weird issue with my xterms when sshed in to other debian systems for the last few months (on etch) where the line wrapping gets all screwed up |
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| 18:13.33 | Toad | it's hard to reproduce unfortunately... but any thoughts? |
| 18:14.01 | DawnLight | i've installed the gkrellkam, a plugin for gkrellm that can show me my pretty face using the webcam. but it asks for a "Path to image viewer program" as well as the image source. what can i use as the image reader? i know my source is /dev/video0 |
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| 18:14.08 | Toad | it seems to basically forget how wide the xterm is |
| 18:14.33 | norc | Toad: any specific applications? |
| 18:14.52 | rubymonk | Anyone to help me understand why apt-get update hangs there ? http://www.pastebin.ca/773650 |
| 18:15.16 | Toad | norc: seems to happen a lot when using mysql client in particular |
| 18:15.21 | Jyzygzy- | what do i put in the System mail name: |
| 18:15.24 | Toad | but sometimes happens after using less |
| 18:15.25 | jelly | DawnLight: apt-cache search x image viewer? |
| 18:15.29 | norc | Jyzygzy-: dont repeat yourself please |
| 18:15.34 | Jyzygzy- | anserws |
| 18:15.35 | Toad | TERM is set to xterm |
| 18:15.40 | Jyzygzy- | how many hours do i have to stand here |
| 18:15.44 | Jyzygzy- | in the first damn question |
| 18:15.52 | norc | Jyzygzy-: please be nice and patient |
| 18:16.00 | norc | you wont get any answers from being rude and inpatient. |
| 18:16.04 | Jyzygzy- | isn't there an exim tutorial |
| 18:16.07 | Jyzygzy- | ITS EXIM |
| 18:16.09 | norc | there are a lot |
| 18:16.12 | DawnLight | jelly: you think it can be read by just any image viewer? |
| 18:16.14 | jelly | Jyzygzy-: if you don't know any better, put in the fqdn |
| 18:16.21 | jelly | DawnLight: I have no idea. |
| 18:16.21 | rubymonk | Jyzygzy-, There's the site exim new users |
| 18:16.33 | norc | Jyzygzy-: there is always google (dot) com |
| 18:16.44 | Jyzygzy- | !google debian exim installation tutorial |
| 18:16.47 | Genetics | [Google] #1 Debian -- Installing Debian Potato ( http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/installguide/ ) |
| 18:16.49 | Genetics | [Google] Desc: You'll find that Debian's install script uses a few simple conventions for navigation. ..... Debian uses a program called exim as its default mail handler. ... |
| 18:16.54 | Jyzygzy- | WOHOO |
| 18:16.56 | cusco | potato |
| 18:16.57 | Jyzygzy- | i guess |
| 18:17.12 | rubymonk | Jyzygzy-, setting up a mail server is a pain, if you can't figure this yourself.... maybe shoud you reconsider ? |
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| 18:17.27 | guillaume1 | rubymonk: why you apt refer to localhost ? |
| 18:17.36 | norc | Jyzygzy-: just remember, people are willingly in here to help, not because they must but because they want to |
| 18:17.46 | rubymonk | guillaume1, I use approx, something like apt-proxy |
| 18:17.47 | norc | and you weren't exactly showing respect. |
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| 18:17.48 | Maulkin | Who the hell is Genetics? |
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| 18:18.42 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: system mail name would be something like jyzygzy.com so people would have email addresses like joe@Jyzygzy.com |
| 18:18.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b %Genetics*!*@*.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] by Maulkin |
| 18:18.55 | rubymonk | valdyn, I used your config file... I have issues |
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| 18:19.05 | cusco | make sure that jyzygzy.com has a mx record to your ip |
| 18:19.22 | guillaume1 | rubymonk: you've more than one debian box ? |
| 18:19.25 | Maulkin | Set until an op approves it |
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| 18:19.43 | rubymonk | guillaume1, I have to do a lot of installs using debootstrap |
| 18:19.47 | jelly | Maulkin: was it a bot or what? |
| 18:19.56 | rubymonk | and my connection is a 128k |
| 18:20.03 | Maulkin | jelly: yes |
| 18:20.10 | cusco | just some script |
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| 18:20.45 | rubymonk | guillaume1, Yes, I unfortunately need approx... |
| 18:20.46 | Maulkin | Don't care if it's a script or a bot. It shoudn't be here, especially not listening to !something |
| 18:21.22 | jelly | well, if you've warned her/him/it of the ban, that's pretty much it |
| 18:21.23 | guillaume1 | rubymonk: and the package you break on is well downloaded in the local repository ? |
| 18:21.40 | Maulkin | They've got it. That's what +q is. |
| 18:21.41 | Jyzygzy- | cusco but what if im at home |
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| 18:21.47 | Jyzygzy- | i don't have any domains like this |
| 18:21.49 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: same thing |
| 18:21.52 | rubymonk | I have no idea, it's not even a package, just a simple apt-get update |
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| 18:22.04 | cusco | then why do you want a mail server at home? |
| 18:22.05 | Maulkin | !ping |
| 18:22.08 | Jyzygzy- | what |
| 18:22.08 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:22.09 | Jyzygzy- | no |
| 18:22.09 | Jyzygzy- | what |
| 18:22.24 | Jyzygzy- | im sertting Exim |
| 18:22.31 | rubymonk | !google Exim new users |
| 18:22.36 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: what for? |
| 18:22.37 | Jyzygzy- | wtf now ur confusing me |
| 18:22.43 | Jyzygzy- | i need to read my mail |
| 18:22.46 | Jyzygzy- | with POP3 |
| 18:22.53 | rubymonk | hum... |
| 18:23.00 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: you don't need a mail server for that, only a mail client |
| 18:23.01 | Jyzygzy- | also the local mailsystem |
| 18:23.08 | Jyzygzy- | MTA don't i need |
| 18:23.18 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: do you need a local mail system? |
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| 18:23.24 | Jyzygzy- | sure? |
| 18:23.30 | Braden` | When booting the debian cd it hangs when detecting my ide devices unless I pass "generic.all_generic_ide=1" as a parm. However, the same doesn't work when I try to boot the kernel off of the os. Why is that? |
| 18:23.31 | Jyzygzy- | isn't that kinda base system thing in unix |
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| 18:23.51 | cusco | im not sure |
| 18:23.54 | Jyzygzy- | cusco i wanna also send mail |
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| 18:23.59 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: if it is only local then you don't need a domain name |
| 18:24.03 | cusco | the hostname will do |
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| 18:24.08 | Jyzygzy- | localhost? |
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| 18:24.14 | Jyzygzy- | do i just write localhost |
| 18:24.14 | cusco | for instance |
| 18:24.18 | Jyzygzy- | well ok |
| 18:24.22 | Jyzygzy- | (it should say i can use that) |
| 18:24.23 | cusco | or old-pc-in-the-living-room |
| 18:24.30 | Jyzygzy- | lool |
| 18:24.32 | Jyzygzy- | im gonna use that |
| 18:24.37 | cusco | localhost is actually a bad choice |
| 18:24.47 | Jyzygzy- | yea i hate it |
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| 18:24.53 | rubymonk | I think I found what's wrong |
| 18:25.16 | cusco | you will know tho, hat that name won't resolve to anything unless locally! |
| 18:25.31 | Jyzygzy- | * ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken |
| 18:25.53 | Jyzygzy- | 2007-11-14 19:29:16 socket bind() to port 25 for address 127.0.0.1 failed: Address already in use: daemon abandoned |
| 18:26.03 | Jyzygzy- | lol nice |
| 18:26.29 | Jyzygzy- | how did you find out whos using the ports |
| 18:26.41 | Maulkin | man lsof |
| 18:26.45 | Jyzygzy- | yes |
| 18:26.54 | Jyzygzy- | lsof --help is enoudh |
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| 18:27.20 | venti | hi |
| 18:27.27 | Braden` | This kernel debian installs blows |
| 18:27.44 | Maulkin | Braden`: be constructive, or don't be here at all |
| 18:27.59 | venti | is there an easy way to patch a source package with a another patch? |
| 18:27.59 | rubymonk | My issue is now the following: http://www.pastebin.ca/773670 |
| 18:28.13 | Braden` | Maulkin: It won't load the ide devices without hanging |
| 18:28.23 | Braden` | The rescue cd does. the sarge cd does |
| 18:28.32 | Braden` | But why not the debian 4.0r1 cd? |
| 18:28.37 | Jyzygzy- | lsof sux |
| 18:28.40 | Jyzygzy- | whats the another one |
| 18:28.41 | rubymonk | Can't I simply rm -rf /var/cache/approx/* ? |
| 18:28.47 | Maulkin | Jyzygzy-: ask nicely |
| 18:28.49 | Jyzygzy- | there was a better |
| 18:28.57 | Jyzygzy- | lsof is too big |
| 18:29.03 | Jyzygzy- | im not able to find the correct flags |
| 18:29.15 | Maulkin | Braden`: try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 18:29.19 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: netstat -tapn |
| 18:29.20 | rubymonk | Well, so lsof is not the cause, you are... |
| 18:29.24 | Jyzygzy- | oh the netstat |
| 18:29.35 | Jyzygzy- | yea thst it! |
| 18:29.49 | cusco | its £10 PLEASE |
| 18:30.25 | nkuttler | vader-: iirc you can just throw it in debian/patches and add it to some file there, grep for existing patches and see how it's done |
| 18:30.32 | pleed | Is there a possibility to wake on lan in suspend-to-ram? |
| 18:30.35 | nkuttler | venti: ^^^ |
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| 18:30.52 | Jyzygzy- | uh there we go |
| 18:30.55 | Jyzygzy- | now exim has it ;) |
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| 18:31.58 | venti | nkuttler: thx, i'll look into it. |
| 18:32.19 | Asmooh | !find webmin |
| 18:32.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'webmin' (5 of 8): (/usr/share/insserv/overrides/webmin) in misc/insserv ;; (/etc/fail2ban/filter.d/webmin-auth.conf) in net/fail2ban ;; (/etc/prelude-lml/ruleset/webmin.rules) in admin/prelude-lml ;; (/usr/share/doc/awstats/html/awstats_webmin.html) in web/awstats ;; (/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/webmin) in admin/logcheck-database. |
| 18:32.37 | Asmooh | eh |
| 18:32.42 | Asmooh | im looking for the installer |
| 18:32.42 | Asmooh | :/ |
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| 18:33.09 | Asmooh | !apt webmin |
| 18:33.14 | Asmooh | hmm? |
| 18:33.17 | Usiu | Hi |
| 18:33.23 | Usiu | what wrong with mysql-server-5.0 |
| 18:33.30 | Asmooh | !dpkg webmin |
| 18:33.30 | Usiu | I cant install package |
| 18:33.39 | Asmooh | whatever im gonna compile |
| 18:33.40 | Asmooh | ;/ |
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| 18:33.45 | Spida | how do I configure debian to install grub to /boot/grub? |
| 18:33.53 | Usiu | Any help? |
| 18:33.56 | Eulex | !webmin |
| 18:33.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 18:34.06 | Eulex | !tell Usiu about bat |
| 18:34.08 | nkuttler | Usiu: telling us the error you get would help |
| 18:34.19 | Eulex | Spida, it does by default? |
| 18:34.31 | Asmooh | ah yea |
| 18:34.39 | Asmooh | but there isnt anything else then webmin so.. |
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| 18:35.14 | Spida | Eulex: no. |
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| 18:35.32 | Eulex | Usiu, perhaps phpmyadmin would do? or really, just don't use a web-based administration program. |
| 18:35.36 | Eulex | Spida, yes it does. |
| 18:35.55 | Usiu | Eulex, what webadmin?!?! |
| 18:36.02 | Eulex | Spida, what's your real problem |
| 18:36.06 | Usiu | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 18:36.06 | Usiu | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 18:36.06 | Usiu | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
| 18:36.06 | Usiu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.06 | *** kick/#debian [Usiu!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 18:36.06 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 18:36.08 | Eulex | Usiu, ah, sorry, wrong person |
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| 18:36.14 | Usiu | sorry |
| 18:36.25 | Eulex | !tell Usiu about pastebin |
| 18:36.37 | Eulex | Usiu, sorry, wrong person, that line was intended for Asmooh |
| 18:36.38 | Spida | Eulex: at least in etch, it does not. at least my /boot/grub is empty... |
| 18:36.46 | Jyzygzy- | how do i know if fetchmail is working? |
| 18:36.48 | Eulex | Asmooh, perhaps phpmyadmin would do? or really, just don't use a web-based administration program. |
| 18:36.50 | Usiu | nkuttler, I pasted it |
| 18:36.52 | Asmooh | oh |
| 18:36.59 | Asmooh | im not looking for an phpmyadmin |
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| 18:37.06 | Asmooh | i dont want to config all the files by hand |
| 18:37.09 | Asmooh | thats why |
| 18:37.17 | nkuttler | Usiu: that bit you pasted here looks like you're not running stable and need to fix the postinst script... |
| 18:37.35 | Usiu | nkuttler, I am running etch |
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| 18:37.54 | Usiu | nkuttler, fresh instalation |
| 18:38.00 | masus | hi all is it possible to cat a line between a number for example between 1006-1023 |
| 18:38.03 | no_mind | anyone able to run debian arm port under qemu ? |
| 18:38.41 | nkuttler | Usiu: put a set -x at the 2nd line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst, try install again, paste the output somewhere (not here) |
| 18:39.04 | Eulex | Spida, it does, if you install grub while installing debian. if you don't and want to add it later, you will have to move the files there yourself. or perhaps grub-install will do it yourself. |
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| 18:39.28 | Usiu | nkuttler, after -e ? |
| 18:39.46 | Eulex | Spida, eh, *for you |
| 18:40.01 | Spida | Eulex: i used debootstrab, since the debian-installer doesn't work for me |
| 18:41.30 | masus | hi all is it possible to cat a line between a number for example between 1006-1023 |
| 18:41.41 | masus | cat /filename 7-34 |
| 18:42.12 | Eulex | Spida, man grub-install |
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| 18:42.29 | cusco | masus: you can head it and tail it |
| 18:42.53 | masus | can u give me an example ? |
| 18:43.16 | cusco | head file.txt -n 1023|tail -n $(( 1023 - 1006)) |
| 18:43.24 | masus | hmm thanks |
| 18:43.35 | cusco | no problemo |
| 18:44.01 | jelly | tail -n +1006 foo | head -n $((1023 - 1006)) ;-) |
| 18:44.26 | jelly | I bet I have an off-by-one error or two in there, though |
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| 18:45.41 | cusco | I thought the same... erhaps not |
| 18:45.59 | jelly | seq 1 2000 > file |
| 18:46.21 | jelly | yours has lines 1007-1023, mine has 1006-1022 ;-) |
| 18:46.24 | cusco | I did't knwo about seq |
| 18:46.33 | cusco | haha :p |
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| 18:47.29 | jelly | both need a +1 for the calculated number-of-lines |
| 18:47.39 | cusco | yaps |
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| 18:48.17 | Braden` | Is Etch 4.0? |
| 18:48.23 | cusco | yes |
| 18:48.24 | wols_ | Braden`: yes |
| 18:48.52 | jelly | seq is a portable way to do eg: for i in `seq 1 100`; do stuff a hunnerd times; done |
| 18:49.00 | Braden` | I seem to be having problems getting Etch to detect my ata drives, but sarge seems to detect them just fine. |
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| 18:49.16 | Braden` | It keeps giving me stuff like: ata1: soft resetting port |
| 18:49.18 | Braden` | and the like |
| 18:49.21 | biopyte | exit |
| 18:49.23 | biopyte | q |
| 18:49.26 | wols_ | Braden`: are you sure they aren't just sda now instead of hda? |
| 18:49.26 | dcnoye | what causes this message from aptitude " WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! " ??? |
| 18:49.32 | jelly | Braden`: is that pata or sata? |
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| 18:49.47 | wols_ | !tell dcnoye about keys |
| 18:49.58 | Braden` | I have a pata drive (the one which is booting), a pata cdrom, and a sata drive |
| 18:50.13 | wols_ | dcnoye: they aren't signed |
| 18:50.22 | DawnLight | i've installed the gkrellkam, a plugin for gkrellm that can show me my pretty face using the webcam. but it asks for a "Path to image viewer program" as well as the image source. what can i use as the image reader? i know my source is /dev/video0 |
| 18:50.23 | Braden` | Should I unplug the sata drive and try it with just the pata one? |
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| 18:50.39 | wols_ | dcnoye: debian repo packages are all signed, the repo you got those packges from has no key to verify them available lcoally |
| 18:50.40 | dcnoye | how do i got about get them signed then (wols_ ) |
| 18:51.01 | jelly | dcnoye: only the repo owner can do that |
| 18:51.02 | dcnoye | oh |
| 18:51.15 | wols_ | dcnoye: by getting the key fromt he repo, usually from its website |
| 18:51.33 | dcnoye | i am getting them from carroll.aset.psu.edu |
| 18:51.34 | wols_ | dcnoye: what package is the warned one and from where is it from? |
| 18:51.43 | dcnoye | pound |
| 18:51.46 | Braden` | Yea, same result without the sata drive |
| 18:51.55 | dcnoye | its a loadbalancer |
| 18:52.01 | jelly | Bracki: are you doing a fresh installation? |
| 18:52.07 | dcnoye | reverse proxy |
| 18:52.12 | wols_ | then ask those psu.edu folks |
| 18:52.14 | jelly | Braden`: are you doing a fresh installation? |
| 18:52.20 | Braden` | jelly: yep |
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| 18:52.36 | Braden` | ata1: port is slow to respond, please be patient |
| 18:52.38 | Braden` | :P |
| 18:52.49 | jelly | Braden`: I'd suggest trying a netinst image with newer kernel, from /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 18:52.52 | dcnoye | definatelly, thanks wols_ jelly |
| 18:52.56 | dcnoye | ciao |
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| 18:54.34 | Braden` | jelly: That page has no netinst image |
| 18:55.04 | Braden` | Unless etch-custom-1013.iso is a netinst image |
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| 18:55.26 | jelly | Braden`: it is. |
| 18:55.28 | Braden` | The kernel debian installed is 2.6.18 |
| 18:55.47 | jelly | Braden`: wait, you got it installed? |
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| 18:55.50 | Braden` | Yea |
| 18:55.54 | Braden` | It just won't boot |
| 18:56.13 | Braden` | to get the installer to work I had to pass the boot parm: generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
| 18:56.27 | Braden` | But that same thing doesn't work with the kernel (or at least not with grub) |
| 18:56.28 | jelly | Braden`: ah. have you tried booting using the same param? |
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| 18:57.06 | Braden` | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-686-5 root=/dev/hda1 noapic ro generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
| 18:57.09 | Braden` | no dice |
| 18:57.35 | jelly | Braden`: an alternative can be to: boot from the cd, mount your root, and install a backported newer kernel |
| 18:57.56 | Braden` | hmm |
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| 18:58.42 | moprilo | can someone point me to a good dedicated server hosting supporting debian? (east coast ..better) |
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| 18:59.42 | jelly | Braden`: make it detect the hardware, then go to alt-f2 console, mount the root partition, chroot to it, mount any other necessary partitions (/proc, /boot?), add a backports.org line to sources list (/msg dpkg bpo), update, install linux-image-2.6.22-686 |
| 19:01.10 | Braden` | What is the difference between 686 and 386? |
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| 19:01.54 | Braden` | My processor is an Intel P4 2.7ghz with hyperthreading |
| 19:02.01 | Braden` | (if that matters) |
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| 19:02.48 | jelly | Braden`: (doesn't very much) sorry, linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 seems to be the one available. |
| 19:03.27 | thelostbutler | moprilo: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting is starting point |
| 19:03.36 | jelly | Braden`: the -386 build is generic and doesn't use the features available in P2 processors and newer |
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| 19:06.24 | qrck | eww god cpan -r started from /root dir is linking against gentoo libs up in /gentoo how comes? |
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| 19:08.32 | rohan | hi .. in a given directory, how do i find recursively find all the files that do not belong to any package ? find | xargs dpkg -S | grep "not found" is giving false positives |
| 19:09.12 | Braden` | Ok |
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| 19:10.36 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know how to install Beryl? |
| 19:10.45 | HardDisk_WP | the beryl wiki is closed |
| 19:10.57 | rohan | HardDisk_WP: why are you going for beryl now, and not compiz-fusion ? |
| 19:11.17 | HardDisk_WP | that's in debian already? |
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| 19:11.20 | vovo | can compiz be used with GNome? |
| 19:11.22 | HardDisk_WP | k |
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| 19:12.07 | HardDisk_WP | rohan, d'you know which packets I have to install and what to change in xserver config for compiz? |
| 19:12.26 | vovo | HardDisk_WP: packets? packages, you mean? |
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| 19:12.34 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 19:12.35 | rohan | HardDisk_WP: which graphics card do you have ? |
| 19:12.41 | HardDisk_WP | NVIDIA 8600 M GT |
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| 19:12.54 | HardDisk_WP | Kernel 2.6.23.1 homebrew, nvidia driver 100.X |
| 19:12.56 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: what debian version do you run? |
| 19:13.02 | HardDisk_WP | lenny |
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| 19:13.06 | donaldo | hi all. using etch. i installed some program that checks a list of known debian mirrors and changes your /etc/apt/sources.list to use the fastest ones? what is that program called again? i need to run it again because one of the servers it selected isn't working. |
| 19:13.06 | rohan | HardDisk_WP: ok, nvidia driver up and running ? |
| 19:13.11 | HardDisk_WP | yepp |
| 19:13.22 | HardDisk_WP | after a bit of patching ;) |
| 19:14.06 | cahoot | donaldo: apt-spy? |
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| 19:14.56 | donaldo | cahoot: hm, thanks for the suggestion, but that seems to not be it :( |
| 19:15.28 | HardDisk_WP | arrgh |
| 19:15.40 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell apt-get to ignore unauthenticated packages? |
| 19:15.40 | wols_ | !tell HardDisk_WP about errors |
| 19:15.49 | HardDisk_WP | apt-build can't install it |
| 19:16.07 | HardDisk_WP | whines about specifying -y without --force-yes |
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| 19:18.26 | Manes | donaldo; you've "netselect" which test a given server list and returns the most performant |
| 19:19.08 | donaldo | Manes: that name sounds right. but it didn't merely print out the best performers, it modified my sources.list for me too |
| 19:19.24 | donaldo | Manes: ah, it was netselect-apt |
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| 19:19.45 | Manes | donaldo: i think a bit of bash scripting will be enough |
| 19:19.57 | donaldo | Manes: i don't follow |
| 19:20.04 | donaldo | Manes: enough to do what? |
| 19:20.10 | donaldo | Manes: inject the results into sources.list? |
| 19:20.20 | Manes | donaldo: yes |
| 19:20.41 | donaldo | Manes: i don't really care, i just wanted to update my list because the host it selected is down |
| 19:20.51 | donaldo | Manes: thanks for your help |
| 19:20.59 | Manes | donaldo: np |
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| 19:21.41 | donaldo | also however, this does bring to mind a question i've thought about before: shouldn't there be a distinction between which logical package repositories you select, and which actual servers you want to use? |
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| 19:22.43 | donaldo | i mean it may be kinda convenient to use a unified model since you can specify both repository and server/baseURL in one fell swoop |
| 19:22.54 | donaldo | but ultimately i don't think that's something anyone is really dying for |
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| 19:23.29 | nots | hi. Where I can donwload current stable cd images with KDE ? |
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| 19:23.47 | guillaume1 | On my laptop the sound control buttons aren't link with my soundcard, where can I fix that ? |
| 19:24.08 | donaldo | whereas, by decoupling logical repository identifiers from repository PROVIDER identifiers, you come much closer to being able to a much better model for netselect-apt's sort of functionality |
| 19:24.17 | Manes | nots: just read Debian FAQ on the debian website... |
| 19:24.21 | rohan | guillaume1: yes, hang on .. |
| 19:25.04 | nots | Manes: thanx |
| 19:25.04 | rohan | guillaume1: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys use that .. |
| 19:25.13 | wols_ | nots: cdimage.debian.org |
| 19:25.29 | guillaume1 | rohan: I'll thk u |
| 19:26.33 | rohan | guillaume1: np :) |
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| 19:29.45 | Judas- | If i got a webserver running apache and a ftp daemon, and i want to limit bw on a monthly basis per user account, how should i do that ? |
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| 19:30.07 | karsten | donaldo: Opinions are like *ssh*les. |
| 19:30.22 | karsten | donaldo: They should be shown rarely in public, and wiped carefully after use. |
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| 19:32.33 | karsten | donaldo: I'm not sure I follow where you're going with the logical / provider repository identifiers. This refers to what? |
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| 19:32.52 | lontra | what's analogous to kdevelop for gnome? |
| 19:32.53 | Asmooh | i have a problem, i have squid3 installed and well it working, BUT i cant get to one site,, doesnt connect;; all the othersites are working but one not |
| 19:33.02 | karsten | lontra: emacs. |
| 19:33.06 | valdyn | lontra: anjuta |
| 19:33.13 | lontra | karsten: emacs ... he he |
| 19:33.26 | karsten | lontra: Why are you laughing? |
| 19:33.29 | valdyn | lontra: or anjuta + glade or any editor + glade |
| 19:33.40 | Asmooh | and with lynx is also working |
| 19:33.54 | lontra | karsten: i guess i don't see very much similiarity with emacs and kdevelop ... at least superficially |
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| 19:34.30 | karsten | lontra: emacs is *the* *nix IDE. Well, if you don't consider *nix itself to be an IDE. |
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| 19:34.50 | donaldo | karsten: well look at how clumsy and inappropriate the usage of netselect-apt is. when one of the servers in my sources.list becomes slower than others, or entirely unavailable, apt is unable to deal with the problem. netselect-apt's solution seems to be re-run netselect-apt every time you want to update that list. it can do no better, however, until hostnames/baseURLs are decoupled from logical/notional apt package repositories |
| 19:35.05 | lontra | !slap Canadian_BoY |
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| 19:35.35 | karsten | donaldo: Most of the country-code servers are in fact round-robined off a number of different hosts. At least in theory. |
| 19:35.46 | donaldo | karsten: heh |
| 19:35.57 | donaldo | karsten: well that's a good measure for load balancing on the server side, but |
| 19:36.16 | donaldo | karsten: as i understand it, DNS round robin does NOT care about latency between you and the server you're asking for |
| 19:36.28 | valdyn | donaldo: you really just want apt-get to find a good mirror automagically |
| 19:36.29 | lontra | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:36.41 | bahadunn | donaldo: it doesnt care if a server is down either |
| 19:36.42 | donaldo | valdyn: ultimately, yes. but in the mean time, decoupling those things could have other benefits |
| 19:36.50 | donaldo | bahadunn: good point :) |
| 19:36.52 | karsten | donaldo: Yeah. There's a tool which can find fast servers (apt-something, I forget which), but yes, you need to configure it manually. |
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| 19:37.12 | bahadunn | donaldo: where are you located? |
| 19:37.17 | karsten | donaldo: You could file a wishlist feature bug. |
| 19:37.20 | bahadunn | karsten: I think apt-mirror |
| 19:37.24 | donaldo | bahadunn: usa (pittsburgh) |
| 19:37.31 | bahadunn | hhmmmm |
| 19:37.39 | karsten | donaldo: Since when is Pittsburgh in the US? |
| 19:37.49 | donaldo | karsten: lol, wut? |
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| 19:38.12 | karsten | lontra: Not much, you? |
| 19:38.23 | bahadunn | donaldo: http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 19:38.26 | lontra | karsten: not too much either |
| 19:38.33 | pleed | does anyone know if it is possible to wake on lan after suspend to ram? |
| 19:38.34 | flami | Im trying to install a nice theme for KDM , but KDM theme manager keeps on complaining that there are files overriding it, and that i should refer to another file... which doesnt say anything . which files override the kdmrc ? |
| 19:38.41 | donaldo | oh i see. karsten is referring to the year 2011 when the working class, lead by yours truly, stages a coup, and we secede from the union. |
| 19:38.50 | lontra | flami: you could install the kdm theme selector |
| 19:38.55 | karsten | lontra: Anyhow, I think you got your GNOME answer. I tend to use vim and screen and bash myself for a hell of a lot of stuff. |
| 19:38.57 | lontra | flami: that's the easy way to do it |
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| 19:39.11 | lontra | karsten: thanks ;) |
| 19:39.20 | karsten | donaldo: The future news I saw had it that the rest of the US seceeded from Pittsburgh, but yeah, whatever. |
| 19:39.37 | donaldo | lol |
| 19:39.49 | valdyn | donaldo: i suppose "netselect-apt && apt-get whatever" already does this. |
| 19:39.53 | donaldo | karsten: i think cleveland is ahead of us on the list of cities the US wants to forget about |
| 19:40.09 | lontra | donaldo: and the state of new jersey and the south |
| 19:40.13 | valdyn | donaldo: maybe with some options for netselect-apt and a wrapper around that line |
| 19:40.20 | bahadunn | donaldo: it will be that soon? |
| 19:40.32 | wols_ | karsten: more likely tejas declares war on the rest of the world. they certainly have more guns than all others, at least per capita :) |
| 19:40.32 | donaldo | valdyn: eh, it does, but i just installed debian on a work machine, and for the first time am giving GUI tools like the synaptic package manager a chance ;) didn't feel like shutting it down just to regen my mirror selection |
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| 19:41.09 | donaldo | tejas? |
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| 19:41.41 | lontra | he he |
| 19:41.43 | Braden` | jelly: It works! You get a cookie. =] |
| 19:41.50 | Braden` | jelly: Thank you! =] |
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| 19:42.12 | lontra | !win jelly |
| 19:42.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:42.25 | Braden` | heh |
| 19:43.08 | jelly | someone should set up a script that responds to install.*ata with /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:43.21 | flami | lontra, well thats what im useing , but there seems to be a 2nd config folder in /var/run/kdm which overrides /etc/kde3(kdm |
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| 19:43.41 | karsten | donaldo: The proper name for the hurricane, tornado, croc, and tumbleweed magnet stuck between the Great State of Louisiana and New Mexico, after it's re-united with Mexico. |
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| 19:44.04 | Braden` | Actually, the backports thing was the fix |
| 19:44.11 | donaldo | lol |
| 19:44.15 | donaldo | very clever |
| 19:44.22 | Braden` | so... /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:44.23 | Braden` | :P |
| 19:44.24 | donaldo | me no hablo espanglish |
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| 19:45.10 | lontra | flami: maybe this helps ... scroll 1/2 way down ... http://manual.sidux.com/en/wm-kde-en.htm |
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| 19:46.38 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:47.27 | pablo__ | hi |
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| 19:47.37 | pablo__ | do you guys know if it's possible through DHCP to request a block? say you have a network like 10.1.0.0/16 and you want to reserve a block like 10.1.1.0/24 for a different DHCP server to manage |
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| 19:50.04 | ziyax | hello any1 apache2.2.3-etch user here? |
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| 19:50.28 | lontra | ziyax: what's your question? |
| 19:50.47 | ziyax | Do you get high loads with it |
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| 19:51.52 | Eulex | apache 2.2 is not in etch. |
| 19:51.58 | ziyax | its in etch |
| 19:52.00 | ziyax | -.- |
| 19:52.12 | ziyax | http://packages.debian.org/apache2 |
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| 19:52.41 | Eulex | so sorry, my mistake... |
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| 19:52.44 | Maulkin | ziyax: I'm sure there's lots of users here... |
| 19:52.59 | streuner | Eulex: enough |
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| 19:53.04 | ziyax | well my server runs only 1 site and getting high loads and memory usage |
| 19:53.10 | ziyax | Eulex its ok we all humans |
| 19:53.23 | Asmooh | anyone knows how i can accept redirects in squid ? |
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| 19:54.34 | Telstar | Q: Can anyone give me hint how to run the external monitor on my Dell Inspiron 4100 ? |
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| 19:54.54 | streuner | ziyax: nice statement |
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| 19:54.56 | Maulkin | ziyax: I have 8 servers that run a tiny part of one site, and all experience loads of > 30 most of the day. You're gonna have to be more specific. |
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| 19:55.23 | streuner | ziyax: we need more details like Maulkin already mentioned |
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| 19:56.00 | streuner | ziyax: are you sure its apache which causes high loads and mem usuage? |
| 19:56.04 | ziyax | Well i'm running portal on it php5 and xcache installed for opcode and memcached installed for mysql and mysql runs on centos box |
| 19:56.08 | edju | laptop boots only from the hard drive and I need to repartition. So - create a new small part, download the proper initrd, kernel and gparted, modify grub, boot into it and repartition. sound like that would work? |
| 19:56.10 | ziyax | and only apache2 runs on that box |
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| 19:56.38 | edju | *gparted*parted |
| 19:56.39 | ziyax | nothing more or less only apache2 |
| 19:57.15 | dondelelcaro | ziyax: so what exactly are the symptoms, then? |
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| 19:58.04 | ziyax | Well i was running CentOS on that box and installed apache2.2.6 but box had dmg so we switched to debian with new install |
| 19:58.18 | ziyax | and when i was running that repos from centos didnt get any high loads |
| 19:58.26 | ziyax | same php code and same db |
| 19:58.57 | ziyax | and it was also php5 i dunno why i'm getting high loads with etch package |
| 19:59.18 | valdyn | what the hell is "high loads" |
| 19:59.23 | valdyn | 1000? 100? 10? |
| 19:59.28 | ziyax | hm |
| 19:59.36 | dondelelcaro | ziyax: what are "high loads", what does ps axfu; output? what is the full status of the webserver? what do you mean by "high memory usage"? |
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| 19:59.53 | karsten | ziyax: Is this high load average, or high CPU usage, or ... ? What jobs are in 'D' or 'R' state? |
| 20:00.01 | lontra | how can i find the hostname of my network HP deskjet 5850 printer? i can set it in gnome-network-manager as hpsetup |
| 20:00.03 | ziyax | memory gets full and can not swap and when i do cat /proc/loadavg i see 196.2 192.2 195.4 such numbers |
| 20:00.09 | ziyax | full cpu and memory usage |
| 20:00.18 | streuner | ziyax: you arent very informative, how often must i tell you that? |
| 20:00.36 | dondelelcaro | ziyax: give us the output that I've requested; we'll need that to see what is happening. |
| 20:00.55 | karsten | !tell ziyax about pastebin |
| 20:01.03 | ziyax | i know whats pastebin |
| 20:01.12 | ziyax | wait i'm upgrading system now, |
| 20:01.19 | dondelelcaro | huh? |
| 20:01.24 | ziyax | to backports |
| 20:01.30 | streuner | uh |
| 20:01.32 | ziyax | i wanna try out its package |
| 20:01.42 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 20:01.48 | streuner | ziyax: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 20:02.27 | karsten | ziyax: 'ps waux; ps axfu; free; vmstat 4 6; iostat 4 6; |
| 20:02.38 | karsten | ziyax: pastebin that output. |
| 20:02.50 | streuner | ziyax: also the output of "cat /proc/version" |
| 20:03.13 | ziyax | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 |
| 20:03.19 | valdyn | hah |
| 20:03.23 | valdyn | funny |
| 20:03.24 | karsten | ziyax: Pastebin all of that so it's on one page. |
| 20:03.30 | ziyax | Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4) |
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| 20:03.39 | streuner | hm, that's lenny/testing |
| 20:03.49 | ziyax | nope |
| 20:03.52 | ziyax | i did dist-upgrade |
| 20:04.03 | ziyax | for new kernel |
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| 20:04.14 | valdyn | ziyax: geez |
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| 20:04.16 | jelly | ziyax: your libc6 is from testing. |
| 20:04.34 | valdyn | ziyax: dist-upgrade can upgrade about anything _except_ the kernel |
| 20:04.47 | valdyn | ziyax: ( it could upgrade the kernel but usually does not ) |
| 20:05.04 | stew | anyone know an easy way to cannonicalize a path in bash? |
| 20:05.18 | ziyax | ah u want this |
| 20:05.22 | ziyax | sorry i did on cs server |
| 20:05.23 | karsten | stew: Define "cannonicalize" |
| 20:05.25 | ziyax | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 20:05.27 | jelly | stew: without readlink? |
| 20:05.35 | stew | karsten: a/../a/b -> a/b |
| 20:05.38 | karsten | stew: ... and I believe you mean "canonicalize", unless you'd like large holes through it. |
| 20:05.48 | karsten | stew: Ah. Good question. |
| 20:05.55 | stew | yeah i want to remove the large holes :) |
| 20:06.17 | karsten | stew: Oh, so you want to *de-cannonicalize* your path. |
| 20:06.37 | cahoot | stew: you do not want a redirection #bash? |
| 20:06.43 | karsten | stew: Shell function, parse out path, cd to each location, 'pwd', assemble results. |
| 20:06.51 | stew | ew |
| 20:07.03 | karsten | stew: Hey, I'm a scripter. |
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| 20:08.21 | karsten | stew: realpath(3) |
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| 20:12.25 | bahadunn | stew: what you want? |
| 20:12.52 | karsten | stew: EIther the system call or the cd solution. You prett much have to go to the location. Regexing through it is tricky. |
| 20:13.10 | bahadunn | what is he trying to do? |
| 20:13.36 | karsten | bahadunn: See the referenced manpage above. |
| 20:13.55 | bahadunn | karsten: I dont want to use realpath |
| 20:14.06 | bahadunn | I want to knwo what his goal is |
| 20:14.23 | karsten | bahadunn: The manpage defines canonicalization of paths. |
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| 20:14.26 | karsten | bahadunn: RTFM. |
| 20:14.48 | karsten | bahadunn: And if what stew wants is different, he can give us the delta from what that manpage describes. |
| 20:15.57 | bahadunn | he wants it done in bash anyways |
| 20:16.26 | bahadunn | sounds like he just wants the absolute path of a relative path |
| 20:16.27 | jelly | readlink is in coreutils, that's good enough for me. And if he wants it portable, it shouldn't be in _bash_ anyway |
| 20:16.32 | bahadunn | but its not clear |
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| 20:16.57 | kenjy | how can I know the city location of a IP? |
| 20:17.11 | wols_ | geolocation |
| 20:17.22 | bahadunn | kenjy: look it up or use some geo thing |
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| 20:17.26 | wols_ | lots of sites out there which do it. not very reliable at all |
| 20:17.31 | bahadunn | kenjy: there are online tools which will tell you |
| 20:17.34 | jelly | geoip? |
| 20:17.37 | wols_ | at most you can decide what coutnry someone is in |
| 20:17.59 | kenjy | bahandunn: Im trying with the host command, we were atacked and I need to know from where are the ips in the access log |
| 20:18.03 | streuner | of course, the server is in US and iam sitting in .de ;-) |
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| 20:18.21 | stew | file='/etc/../etc/passwd';file=$(cd $(dirname $file) && pwd )/$(basename $file);echo $file <- works for me |
| 20:18.22 | bahadunn | kenjy: try whois? |
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| 20:18.34 | bahadunn | kenjy: some online site |
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| 20:18.44 | kenjy | bahadunn: for a lot of ips? |
| 20:18.57 | bahadunn | kenjy: whois will tell you who the abuse contact for that ip address is |
| 20:19.05 | bahadunn | kenjy: well how many we talking? |
| 20:19.18 | kenjy | bahandunn: more than 1000 |
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| 20:19.32 | bahadunn | kenjy: well thats a lot |
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| 20:19.37 | karsten | kenjy: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/spam-lookup-all |
| 20:19.39 | bahadunn | kenjy: maybe cut your losses? |
| 20:19.46 | karsten | kenjy: Shell script. Run it over a list of IPs. |
| 20:20.04 | bahadunn | kenjy: have you defended against the attack? |
| 20:20.05 | karsten | kenjy: for IP in $( cat list ); do spam-lookup-all $IP; done |
| 20:20.14 | bahadunn | kenjy: I assume DDOS attack? |
| 20:20.24 | karsten | kenjy: It includes additional information but comes up with whom you should report abuse to. |
| 20:20.40 | bahadunn | kenjy: what karsten said sounds good |
| 20:20.49 | bahadunn | kenjy: you still have to send a lot of emails though |
| 20:21.02 | cahoot | AKA spam |
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| 20:22.44 | karsten | kenjy: You'll want to throw some additional logic around that. Generally, just report to the abuse contact if that's present, hit postmaster or other contacts if abuse doesn't exist. You can check for manning of abuse & postmaster at http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/ (also has a DNS lookup). |
| 20:22.56 | karsten | kenjy: I used that basic setup for spam reporting a few years ago. |
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| 20:23.50 | kenjy | karsten: it's not a spam atack, they added more than 4000 users to a phpbb database |
| 20:24.12 | kenjy | karsten: I need to know if they was from one location and if thats right from where :S |
| 20:25.05 | karsten | kenjy: www.routeviews.org offers IP => CIDR and IP => ASN lookups |
| 20:25.22 | kenjy | karsten: tnks |
| 20:25.29 | karsten | kenjy: That should give you an idea of the localization of the attack. ASN and CIDR are administrative units as well, so you'll get reporting addresses as well. |
| 20:25.30 | dondelelcaro | stew: if you want complete, (cd $foo; pwd -P) |
| 20:25.56 | karsten | kenjy: I suspect it's going to turn out to be a botnet through largely residential/commercial DSL / Cable space. But good luck. |
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| 20:26.15 | bahadunn | stew: http://rafb.net/p/OMf3tq32.html |
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| 20:26.46 | kenjy | karsten: tnks |
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| 20:27.11 | karsten | kenjy: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/monthly-asn-report is the sort of report I was generating (as well as specific communications with responsible providers / admins). |
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| 20:29.30 | jelly | karsten: heh, MSN-AS-BLOCK |
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| 20:30.09 | stew | dondelelcaro: man pwd doesn't list -P, what does it do? |
| 20:30.14 | karsten | jelly: Hotmail. |
| 20:30.22 | karsten | jelly: Worked with them directly to resolve a number of issues. |
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| 20:30.37 | karsten | jelly: Webmail providers are very popular with 419 scammers. |
| 20:30.43 | Asmooh | why can i surf every website with squid but not the one i want to :/ |
| 20:30.47 | debian-is-me | Debian regualr wont boot on amd 64 intel dual core cpu |
| 20:30.53 | Asmooh | it doesnt even load |
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| 20:31.02 | karsten | !tell debian-is-me about smart questions |
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| 20:31.14 | jelly | karsten: ah, automated account opening and perusing. |
| 20:31.19 | dondelelcaro | stew: help pwd; it only has meaning if you're using the shell builtin; if you're using /usr/bin/pwd, that's always as if you were using -P |
| 20:31.23 | lyroy | Is it possible to set usrquota according to quota infos store in a mysql table, if so where can I get more information? |
| 20:31.23 | karsten | jelly: ?? |
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| 20:31.40 | jelly | karsten: where you they get all the accounts from? |
| 20:31.44 | jelly | s/you/would/ |
| 20:32.20 | Telstar | (stormnet auction on ebay?)_ |
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| 20:32.25 | stew | dondelelcaro: oh, actually i didn't realize it was a builtin, and that explains a lot |
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| 20:33.19 | sayers | Is there a place where I can get the testing iso |
| 20:33.31 | DawnLight | sayers: debian.org |
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| 20:33.40 | flami | Hi , I think the KdmTheme package of testing does not work correctly , it didnt modify the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file . the one out of stable works just fine . |
| 20:33.41 | sayers | DawnLight, it seems hidden... |
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| 20:33.52 | DawnLight | just read through |
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| 20:33.55 | debian-is-me | So should debian i386 work on Intel core 2 duo? |
| 20:34.00 | dondelelcaro | sayers: debian.org/CD if you're lost, though it is on the left hand side. |
| 20:34.03 | jelly | Telstar: that's quite indirect, using a botnet to sniff out hotmail accounts, then usnig those accounts to spam? |
| 20:34.04 | dondelelcaro | debian-is-me: yes, or amd64. |
| 20:34.09 | wols_ | !tell sayers about d-i |
| 20:35.03 | sayers | I need testing, donaldo |
| 20:35.13 | sayers | dondelelcaro, * |
| 20:35.19 | dondelelcaro | sayers: and? |
| 20:35.22 | donaldo | :) |
| 20:35.41 | sayers | It's not there. |
| 20:35.44 | wols_ | sayers: dpkg already told you |
| 20:35.54 | dondelelcaro | sayers: um... it certainly is. |
| 20:36.14 | sayers | wols_, not really. |
| 20:36.24 | wols_ | then read more carefully |
| 20:36.26 | sayers | It says weekly snapshots of the image are made. |
| 20:37.03 | wols_ | what does? |
| 20:37.03 | dondelelcaro | how else did you expect testing to be put on cd besides as a snapshot? |
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| 20:38.10 | sayers | dondelelcaro, The snapshot is not there or I have horrible vision |
| 20:38.36 | sayers | I find this, but there is no net-inst. |
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| 20:39.10 | Farhadix | hi guys :) |
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| 20:39.16 | Farhadix | where I can find sid repositories? |
| 20:39.27 | bahadunn | Farhadix: any debian mirrors |
| 20:39.36 | dondelelcaro | sayers: then visit http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and read the pargraph where it says "Images for testing..." |
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| 20:41.06 | sayers | dondelelcaro, yes indeed, however those are not net-inst cd's |
| 20:41.13 | dondelelcaro | sayers: sure they are |
| 20:41.18 | yoshx | hello |
| 20:41.21 | sayers | it's a collection of a lot. |
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| 20:41.48 | sayers | dondelelcaro, You are looking on the debian-installer page |
| 20:42.01 | dondelelcaro | sayers: yes |
| 20:42.22 | sayers | dondelelcaro, and in the testing section, it only shows full cd/dvd sets |
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| 20:42.34 | dondelelcaro | sayers: that entire page is testing sets. |
| 20:42.39 | dondelelcaro | sayers: reread the bit in bold again |
| 20:42.49 | Jokinen | cd-iso torrent tracker doest work?! :E |
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| 20:43.17 | sayers | dondelelcaro, oh wow. I never would've guessed. |
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| 20:45.25 | andinator | http://www.ex-periment.wmn.eu/?id=7982 |
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| 20:46.15 | lunartear | erm.. I'm in a catch 22 it seems. Apparently I can't install debconf without debconf already installed. |
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| 20:46.26 | Arie | can some1 help me on mounting a usb drive? |
| 20:47.06 | Asmooh | where is your drive? |
| 20:47.08 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: you can, actually, but you'd be pretty hard pressed to not have it installed. |
| 20:47.13 | riz_ | Hello guys. Does someone use speedtch usb modem ? I need an help on reconnect it when disconnection occurred |
| 20:47.14 | Asmooh | mount -t /dev/sda* |
| 20:47.46 | Asmooh | anyone knows a better proxy server then squid ? because it doesnt work |
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| 20:48.06 | bahadunn | Asmooh: tiny proxy? |
| 20:48.09 | lunartear | dondelelcaro, well I currently dont have debconf installed, but need to get it installed. I had to recompile perl manually to get rid of threads, and now debconf is futzed |
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| 20:48.31 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: why in the world did you recompile perl? |
| 20:48.46 | dondelelcaro | having done that, I'd be surprised if anything works. |
| 20:48.48 | lunartear | cause it was precompiled with "THREADS" |
| 20:48.52 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: so? |
| 20:49.04 | lunartear | with threads i can't use it |
| 20:49.18 | bahadunn | lunartear: why not? |
| 20:49.22 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: why in particular do you think you can't use perl with threads? |
| 20:49.43 | lunartear | some software requiring perl said it wouldnt work with threaded perl |
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| 20:49.53 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: well, the software almost certainly is lying. |
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| 20:50.13 | dondelelcaro | since it doesn't have to use threads |
| 20:50.16 | lunartear | anyway it doesnt matter. I'm in the situation none the less |
| 20:50.26 | debian-is-me | Is there any 64bit motherboards that actually supports 16 exabytes? |
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| 20:50.45 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: so reinstall the original perl, then give us the full output of your aptitude/apt-get run. |
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| 20:51.02 | neotic | debian-is-me: no |
| 20:51.07 | debian-is-me | OK |
| 20:51.11 | lunartear | how do i reinstall the original perl when debconf isnt installed |
| 20:51.11 | jelly | lunartear: next time, if you _really_ need to have own perl, install it into a separate prefix like /opt/perl |
| 20:51.16 | debian-is-me | How much does debian support? |
| 20:51.20 | ezguy | hi, which files do i need to edit to rename eth0? |
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| 20:51.39 | Arie | mm crapyy |
| 20:51.52 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: aptitude --reinstall install perl-base perl perl-modules; |
| 20:51.52 | jelly | lunartear: download the packages and install with dpkg -i perl_... debconf_... ? |
| 20:52.02 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: the processors only support 48-bit address space (256 TB) |
| 20:52.03 | lunartear | jelly that wont work |
| 20:52.10 | dondelelcaro | lunartear: if that fails, give us the full and complete output, including the commands that you ran. |
| 20:52.23 | debian-is-me | And debian can use 256 tb of ram? |
| 20:52.31 | ezguy | any ideas? |
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| 20:53.22 | jelly | debian-is-me: ask that the person selling you a 256TB system. |
| 20:53.43 | debian-is-me | I just want to know, so I'm prepared |
| 20:54.18 | dondelelcaro | there's no real reason why it wouldn't be able to |
| 20:54.33 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: According to the Linux kernel, "Current X86-64 implementations only support 40 bits of address space, but we support up to 46 bits" |
| 20:54.43 | Arie | i still can;t mount a usb drive.. |
| 20:54.52 | Arie | i don't get an error.. |
| 20:55.03 | Arie | but where is going?:P |
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| 20:55.03 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: (Documentation/x86_64/mm.txt, which might be out of date) |
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| 20:55.30 | xingu | numa numa |
| 20:55.35 | gridl0ck | can anyone recommend a good prog that takes advantage of my new laptops builtin webcam? |
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| 20:55.47 | jelly | debhelper: prepared for what? no physical x86-64 system is capable of carrying that much |
| 20:55.49 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: so it sounds like Linux currently supports up to 64 TB, but you can't use over 1TB in a real computer yet |
| 20:55.51 | debian-is-me | ok |
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| 20:56.13 | debian-is-me | So I can get a hold of 1TB ram? |
| 20:56.25 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: You'll have to upgrade your kernel when the 128 TB machine comes out :) |
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| 20:56.50 | debian-is-me | Ok, I dislike reboots. |
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| 20:57.25 | sepski | debian-is-me, if i could plug in a 128TB ram module in my computer... I'D REBOOT IN A USEC! |
| 20:57.33 | lunartear | dondelelcaro, it appears to have worked. Now i need to see if anything else is broken |
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| 20:57.47 | xingu | if your datasets are anywhere near 1TB, FSB bandwidth (or lack of) is going to be a very very real problem. |
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| 20:58.33 | debian-is-me | sepski: I plug in and out harddrives while writing files to them, without unmounting them. The hardware isn't slowing me down. |
| 20:58.44 | debian-is-me | It can wait |
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| 20:59.28 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: if you want that much memory, I'd say IBM big iron is the way to go |
| 20:59.45 | \amethyst | you can run a *fuckload* of copies of Linux on one of those things |
| 20:59.50 | \amethyst | at the same time, that is |
| 20:59.56 | debian-is-me | Didn't they have a supercomputer named blue something? |
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| 21:00.08 | \amethyst | forget the supercomputer, I'm talking about mainframes :) |
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| 21:00.14 | debian-is-me | Ok |
| 21:00.18 | Asmooh | bahadunn, tiny doesnt support post |
| 21:00.21 | Asmooh | ? |
| 21:00.27 | jelly | \amethyst: but that's not x86-64. |
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| 21:00.53 | \amethyst | no, but neither is 1TB of memory just yet :) |
| 21:01.09 | bahadunn | Asmooh: you asked for another proxy |
| 21:01.14 | bahadunn | Asmooh: I gave you one |
| 21:01.16 | Asmooh | yea |
| 21:01.36 | Asmooh | it works yes, but it doesnt save any username/pass |
| 21:01.43 | bahadunn | Asmooh: sorry |
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| 21:02.31 | \amethyst | debian-is-me: 256GB is the largest number I'm seeing out there for x86-64 machines |
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| 21:02.47 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: top500 is <reply> top500 is the list of the top 500 supercomputers in the world. As of writing, #1 is BlueGene/L at 596Tflops over 212K processors with 73TB ram |
| 21:02.47 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 21:03.03 | abrotman | there's a URL |
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| 21:03.21 | k31th | abrotman: hows it going |
| 21:03.23 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: top500 =~ s#ram#ram. See http://www.top500.org/ for more information.# |
| 21:03.23 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 21:06.18 | jelly | dondelelcaro: not even 1 Pflop! ;-) Ok, the /P promises to go there. |
| 21:07.10 | jelly | cue the conspiracy theorists |
| 21:07.19 | dondelelcaro | though it's rather doubtfull that the classified machines are faster |
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| 21:07.25 | OminousZ | Bring in the foil! Shiny side up! |
| 21:08.10 | jelly | I bet NSA can crack your passwords and openvpns real good. |
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| 21:08.36 | k31th | jelly: lol |
| 21:08.47 | k31th | jelly: you honestly think that ? |
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| 21:09.10 | jelly | k31th: there is no hiding. |
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| 21:09.36 | k31th | 256bit with keys ? |
| 21:09.47 | k31th | you think the NSA can crack that and sniff my traffic? |
| 21:10.11 | jelly | k31th: can? Or did they already DO THAT?!! |
| 21:11.35 | pleed | does anyone know if wol from suspend to ram is possible? |
| 21:11.50 | cast | it's not so bad even if they can IMHO, as they'd want to keep that very very secret so the world keeps using the broken ciphers, no point risking exposing that its broken for a single chum like one of us |
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| 21:12.16 | Zippy2 | anyone know anything about qemu? |
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| 21:12.37 | jelly | Zippy2: I bet the people in #qemu know something. |
| 21:12.45 | Zippy2 | good idea |
| 21:13.34 | jelly | Now that he's quit, I can finally log in from my 1TB Xeon. |
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| 21:17.09 | ma3x | why do i get these errors when i create dvd with varsha |
| 21:17.10 | ma3x | WARN: unknown mpeg2 aspect ratio 1 |
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| 21:19.13 | dutche- | I'm using debian live cd in my notebook, and I need to use a wireless connection...does anybody can help me? |
| 21:21.00 | k31th | of coarse they do... Ubuntu live cd... |
| 21:21.06 | Nielsen | lol |
| 21:21.38 | dutche- | ubuntu...well..I already burned a cd |
| 21:21.43 | dutche- | with debian live.. |
| 21:21.46 | dutche- | :-/ |
| 21:21.50 | k31th | I was Joking :p |
| 21:22.01 | dutche- | :D |
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| 21:27.35 | Braden` | Is there a piece of documentation for the debian specific configuration of postfix? I am familiar with how to configure postfix, but I am used to running postmap after I configure things, etc. I cannot find the text file version of 'virtual' etc before they are postmap'd. |
| 21:28.15 | abrotman | create them ? |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | any docs would be in /usr/share/doc/postfix/ |
| 21:28.56 | snot_ | how can I mount a tar.gz file? sometimes I dont feel like unpacking the entire file... |
| 21:28.58 | Braden` | I think I found something on google. |
| 21:29.16 | Braden` | afk |
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| 21:29.44 | abrotman | snot_: mount it? |
| 21:30.06 | snot_ | abrotman: indeed... |
| 21:30.11 | mbroeker | snot_, read the manpage for tar. you can extact the whole archive or parts of it |
| 21:30.40 | snot | mbroeker: yeah, maybe I'm looking for something silly |
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| 21:31.17 | rgouveia | hi ... i've done a netinstall with just the base system. after booting i ran aptitude search sudo and got no results. i just have 2 entries in sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updatedes main contrib non-free and the 2nd line starting with deb-src. am i missing any repos? |
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| 21:31.43 | cahoot | snot: you want a filebrowser to 'look into' the archive? |
| 21:31.49 | crptx | hello |
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| 21:32.29 | moprilo | hi guys i have a debian base install and i want to know the upload and download speeds.. *like in speakeasy.net. Is there a way to get it text based? |
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| 21:33.41 | abrotman | snot: that kind of stuff is likely to be part of FUSE .. if it exists |
| 21:33.45 | abrotman | moprilo: jnettop |
| 21:33.47 | abrotman | or ntop |
| 21:33.50 | abrotman | or atop maybe |
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| 21:34.22 | moprilo | abrotman: thanks i'll look into that |
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| 21:34.41 | sobersabre | hi guys. situation: a person [not me] wants to install debian system. the computer is inside a DHCP network, but the guy DOES NOT want to use the network during the installation. |
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| 21:35.02 | abrotman | sobersabre: so what does he want to do? |
| 21:35.05 | fasta | Why is there nobody that actually tests applications that are distributed with Debian? |
| 21:35.13 | abrotman | fasta: file bugs .. quit whining |
| 21:35.14 | crptx | ? |
| 21:35.15 | sobersabre | he wants to install via the DVD |
| 21:35.19 | sobersabre | abrotman: got it ? |
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| 21:35.29 | sobersabre | and he says "the installer is sneaking into the internet" |
| 21:35.30 | sobersabre | :) |
| 21:35.31 | abrotman | sobersabre: sure .. just don't setup http sources .. (though you really should) |
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| 21:35.56 | fasta | abrotman: I seriously should file a bug: "this software is not worth the bandwidth, please remove it"? |
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| 21:36.10 | sobersabre | abrotman: the guys says "I've specified not to use the mirrors and updates, but it connects and does something via the network" |
| 21:36.12 | abrotman | fasta: if you don't like debian .. don't use it .. no one is forcing you .. |
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| 21:36.15 | fignew | fasta: there's thousands of people that bugtest for debian :D |
| 21:36.19 | abrotman | sobersabre: "something" ? |
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| 21:36.51 | Eulex | fasta, wonderfully specific complaint you have there. |
| 21:36.55 | sobersabre | nvm. |
| 21:37.28 | fasta | Eulex: I tested all addressbook applications for somebody and they all suck beyond belief. |
| 21:37.51 | miknix | hello everyone. Any way to install cupsys without some x11 libs? I'm installing it on a low mem system without x11. I would like to keep it minimal |
| 21:37.55 | Eulex | fasta, then write a better one. or help the ones developing ones. |
| 21:38.06 | fasta | It should be a special thing for Debian to distribute someones software. |
| 21:38.17 | fasta | This way it's just disappointing potential users. |
| 21:38.35 | fignew | fasta: what's so bad about these programs? what programs were they? |
| 21:38.36 | abrotman | fasta: *all* of them? |
| 21:38.53 | Eulex | fasta, that's not how debian works. software is in debian because debian developers chose to put them in debian and maintain them, because they find them useful. |
| 21:38.53 | fasta | abrotman: yes, all of them(with the word addressbook in the description). |
| 21:38.55 | cahoot | outrageus |
| 21:39.01 | abrotman | fasta: such as ? |
| 21:39.26 | fasta | abrotman: kaddressbook, Evolution, delume, xmaddd<something> |
| 21:39.35 | sobersabre | abrotman: is there a way to create installation log, so after the user completes, I could see what the user actually has chosen ? |
| 21:39.51 | sobersabre | I mean at each stage of debian-installer. |
| 21:40.00 | sobersabre | I mean at etch stage :) |
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| 21:40.06 | miknix | http://pastebin.com/d7d528af6 these are a lot of deeps to install cups |
| 21:40.17 | [tor]_ | How can i tell apt-get to overwrite changed config files without asking? Tried with -y but that did not help. |
| 21:40.19 | fasta | Eulex: how does one become a Debian developer? Doesn't that require a mentor? |
| 21:40.25 | fignew | so how do these applications "suck beyond belief"? |
| 21:40.31 | Eulex | sobersabre, /var/log/debian-installer/ |
| 21:40.47 | fasta | fignew: kaddressbook crashes with 4 contacts and simple usage. |
| 21:40.57 | Eulex | !tell fasta about nm |
| 21:41.11 | fignew | never's crashed on me :/ |
| 21:41.22 | sobersabre | Eulex: is it kept after the initial reboot ? |
| 21:41.28 | fasta | fignew: I can't help that. |
| 21:41.50 | fasta | fignew: delume is too trivial for words. |
| 21:42.00 | fasta | fignew: I suspect < 1000 lines of code. |
| 21:42.20 | fasta | fignew: Evolution was limited in that one cannot add fields as user. |
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| 21:42.45 | fasta | fignew: and that x<something> comes out of the 80's and has no features. |
| 21:42.47 | fignew | Isn't it wonderful - Some people's needs don't require massive software |
| 21:42.56 | hardcampa | emacs is all you need |
| 21:42.59 | fasta | fignew: so, in short, they such beyond belief. |
| 21:43.18 | Eulex | sobersabre, I have my partman log in there, and the partitioning is done before rebooting. |
| 21:43.19 | sobersabre | Eulex: I don't have such folder in my Debian. |
| 21:43.32 | fasta | hardcampa: yes, I used that once, but I stopped using gnus myself (for which there was some addon). |
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| 21:43.39 | fasta | hardcampa: what was the name of that package again? |
| 21:43.48 | hardcampa | vm? |
| 21:43.52 | hardcampa | or what you mean |
| 21:44.06 | fasta | hardcampa: addressbook component for emacs. |
| 21:44.17 | Eulex | sobersabre, oh. might be an artifact of my somewhat special install cd then (it was a sarge rc one) |
| 21:44.21 | fignew | Well, I use kaddressbook and it works wonderfully for me. You might want to look into what's causing it to crash. |
| 21:44.22 | hardcampa | ahum ... could be org |
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| 21:44.49 | Chascon | hi |
| 21:44.50 | Eulex | fasta, well. then fix on of them. or help the devs fix them. complaining here won't help you. |
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| 21:45.21 | moope2 | What is the best wireless security do deter casual attempts? We have Linux Windblows and smack in our house. |
| 21:45.31 | hardcampa | fasta whatever you're looking for (if it's for emacs) go here http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki if you don't already. |
| 21:46.02 | fasta | Eulex: I am saying that distributing something that nobody has a use for is stupid. Evolution has other features (like sending mail), but kaddressbook has no excuse(just like the other applications). |
| 21:46.06 | fignew | moope2: Casual? WPA |
| 21:46.50 | Chascon | anyone try building Iceape? or IceApe Calendar? Building craps out with .../mozilla/suite/branding/content/logo.gif' doesn't exist at ... /mozilla/config/make-jars.pl line 443 Seamonkey 116 builds fine. |
| 21:46.58 | Eulex | fasta, the maintainers of the software has use for it, therefore they distribute it. assumning that no one has use for something that you don't have use for is an awful generalization. |
| 21:47.00 | idwer_ | any mkisofs/debootstrap/live-helper experts in the house ? |
| 21:47.12 | fignew | kaddressbook doesn't do what fasta wants... Debian should stop distributing it! |
| 21:47.32 | hardcampa | fasta perhaps it was this one you ment: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CategoryBbdb |
| 21:47.50 | fasta | fignew: another feature that doesn't work in kaddressbook: van Foobar should be before Johnson. |
| 21:48.04 | fasta | fignew: I already found the section in the manual that talks about that. |
| 21:48.12 | fignew | you can sort by first or last name |
| 21:48.13 | fasta | fignew: and guess what: the feature doesn't work! |
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| 21:48.16 | ma3x | anyone here understands varsha? when i try to add .mpg file to create dvd it says unknown aspect ratio? but why? i've encoded my file with aspect 4/3 |
| 21:48.19 | ma3x | it should recognize it already |
| 21:48.23 | Eulex | fasta, you assume the feature is not working and that it's not just an absence of that specific feature? |
| 21:48.24 | Chascon | as far as I can tell, the free artwork is missing, which is why it seems to complain |
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| 21:48.29 | fasta | fignew: I am sorting it by last name. |
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| 21:48.42 | karlpersson | Hello there. I'm gaving some trouble with dhclient |
| 21:48.45 | fasta | Eulex: no, I don't assume that. |
| 21:48.49 | fasta | Eulex: I read the manual. |
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| 21:49.03 | karlpersson | s/ga/hav |
| 21:49.04 | fignew | ok... so lastname Foobar will be before lastname Johnson |
| 21:49.06 | Eulex | it says that it should sort it like that? |
| 21:49.23 | fasta | fignew: I said "van Foobar", not Foobar |
| 21:50.04 | Tramp | ma3x: no idea what varsha is. But "aspect ratio 1" means 1:1, not 4:3 |
| 21:50.07 | karlpersson | SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address. \n |
| 21:50.07 | karlpersson | SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Cannot assign requested address |
| 21:50.07 | fignew | yea, van being the fist name |
| 21:50.08 | fasta | fignew: such a completely basic feature does not work. To me, that means nobody uses the software. |
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| 21:50.14 | fignew | which it isn't sorting by |
| 21:50.18 | fignew | fasta: I USE IT |
| 21:50.24 | fasta | fignew: van is _not_ the first name |
| 21:50.32 | karlpersson | Does anyone know what that is? |
| 21:50.36 | fasta | fignew: "van" is part of the last name. |
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| 21:50.43 | fasta | fignew: but it should be ignored in sorting. |
| 21:50.49 | ma3x | Tramp, but my file is already aspect 4:3 not 1. and varsha (dvdauthor) says it's aspect 1 |
| 21:50.51 | ma3x | why the hell? |
| 21:51.14 | fignew | fasta: are you kidding me? |
| 21:51.16 | Eulex | fasta, kaddressbook apparently doesn't do some language-specific sorting of lastnames. so? file a feature request. |
| 21:51.28 | cahoot | fasta: that's not defined by LC_COLLATE or such? |
| 21:51.29 | fasta | Eulex: there's nothing language specific about that |
| 21:51.32 | fignew | his last name starts with V. I sure as hell want it after F |
| 21:51.43 | Tramp | ma3x: because the encoder set it? E.g. in transcode you can set --export_asr explicitely. You may have to check the manual of your encoder. |
| 21:52.02 | ma3x | Tramp, it is already encoded 4/3 |
| 21:52.08 | fasta | cahoot: I don't know that. |
| 21:52.16 | Tramp | ma3x: what are you encoding with? |
| 21:52.21 | Eulex | fasta, well, country-origin-specific. |
| 21:52.25 | ma3x | Tramp, mencoder Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect. |
| 21:52.25 | ma3x | ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=1.3333 |
| 21:52.28 | fasta | Eulex: The feature that should do that is already present. |
| 21:52.38 | fasta | Eulex: I told you that I read the manual and it doesn't work. |
| 21:52.57 | fasta | Eulex: it's just not based on language or country. |
| 21:53.01 | Asmooh | it there no simple proxy server that support POST ? |
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| 21:53.12 | Eulex | fasta, file a bug? make them fix it? |
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| 21:53.33 | fasta | Eulex: as I already said: I don't believe that any of those applications will ever do something sensible. |
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| 21:53.54 | cahoot | fasta so? |
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| 21:54.19 | fasta | cahoot: so, I find it stupid that Debian promotes the use of broken software. |
| 21:54.56 | fasta | cahoot: non-GUI GNU software is mostly OK, but the rest is often not worth looking at. |
| 21:55.11 | cahoot | fasta: right you're entitled to your opinion |
| 21:55.36 | fasta | cahoot: and who decides what software gets distributed? |
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| 21:55.51 | fasta | It's a democratic mess? |
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| 21:56.20 | cahoot | fasta: right democracy is at fault too? |
| 21:56.37 | fasta | cahoot: democracy does not lead to quality software. |
| 21:56.46 | cahoot | whining does? |
| 21:57.00 | fasta | cahoot: if someone would care, yes. |
| 21:57.07 | fasta | cahoot: but probably nobody does. |
| 21:57.07 | Eulex | fasta, it's an anarchistic 'mess' even, if you'd like to express it like that. as I've told you twice, every dev decides what software they want to package. |
| 21:57.31 | Eulex | and maintain. |
| 21:57.42 | fasta | Eulex: you mean "maintain". |
| 21:57.51 | Eulex | package *and* maintain. |
| 21:57.59 | fasta | Eulex: as if every broken package is fixed in some timeframe. |
| 21:58.03 | dondelelcaro | fasta: if a piece of software isn't well maintained, file bugs |
| 21:58.09 | fasta | which is what "maintaining" is. |
| 21:58.15 | dondelelcaro | fasta: if they don't get fixed, the packages get orphaned, and then removed. |
| 21:58.37 | abrotman | sobersabre: there's one in /var/log/ after the install |
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| 21:58.46 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I have done so, and they were removed in a bureaucratic manner. |
| 21:59.06 | abrotman | got bug numbers to share? |
| 21:59.07 | fasta | dondelelcaro: About the only way I get bugs fixed is when I know the author of the software. |
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| 21:59.17 | fasta | abrotman: We had this discussion before. |
| 21:59.25 | fasta | Sometimes bugs do get fixed. |
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| 21:59.41 | Bracki | Whats the difference between shorewall and shorewall-lite? |
| 21:59.42 | abrotman | fasta: so they weren't good bugs? |
| 21:59.50 | fasta | abrotman: they were good bugs. |
| 21:59.55 | abrotman | so share the bug# |
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| 22:00.18 | fasta | abrotman: Do you really want to have the same discussion we already had months ago? |
| 22:00.28 | fasta | abrotman: I prefer to avoid cycles in my life. |
| 22:00.29 | abrotman | fasta: why? because you still haven't learned? |
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| 22:00.42 | fasta | abrotman: what should I have learned? |
| 22:00.43 | abrotman | is this a krusader bug also? |
| 22:00.48 | Eulex | fasta, you cannot demand that a bug be fixed. if it's a bug that you can have opinions about (feature-bugs), the dev might disagree. if they are crash-bugs, the dev might not be able to fix it with the info you provide, if they cannot reproduce it themselves. |
| 22:00.58 | abrotman | Eulex: he could fix it himself :) |
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| 22:01.13 | Eulex | abrotman, I already told him. thrice, I think. |
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| 22:02.01 | karsten | jelly-home: What's this about accounts? |
| 22:02.16 | Eulex | he appears to not listen and be locked away from reality, though. |
| 22:02.18 | jelly | karsten: oh, ignore |
| 22:02.20 | sparr_w | trying to remember the name of a curses(esque) console "window manager" that lets you run multiple console apps in small 'windows'. ideas? |
| 22:02.25 | abrotman | mc |
| 22:02.26 | fasta | abrotman: #428337 |
| 22:02.28 | abrotman | screen? |
| 22:02.28 | dondelelcaro | fasta: the packages were removed? The only beuracracy there is that someone has to file a removal request against ftp.debian.org |
| 22:02.47 | Tramp | ma3x: I rarely use mencoder, but it looks to me, as if you would have to specify the aspect-ratio explicitely when encoding. May be an option of the codec. |
| 22:03.07 | karsten | jelly: Ignoring. |
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| 22:03.22 | fasta | dondelelcaro: ok, is there some formal set of rules that tell when a package is orphaned or marked as not maintained? |
| 22:03.24 | karsten | sparr_w: ratpoison, ion |
| 22:03.28 | dondelelcaro | fasta: no |
| 22:03.30 | ma3x | Tramp, thing is I've already encoded with other program, and aspect seems wrong, so I'm trying to copy it somehow wiht mencoder, but it wont set the aspect |
| 22:03.32 | karsten | sparr_w: whatever it is dondelelcaro runs. |
| 22:03.42 | fasta | dondelelcaro: Then there's no reason for any progress whatsoever. |
| 22:04.12 | abrotman | fasta: see .. here's the weird bit .. you shouldn't even have to modprobe the floppy module |
| 22:04.35 | dondelelcaro | fasta: why does there need to be a formal set of rules? When someone notices a package is ill-maintained, they contact the maintainer. If the maintainer doesn't respond, they mark the maintainer MIA and/or orphan packages. |
| 22:04.47 | abrotman | fasta: and filing that against "gnome" was definitely not right |
| 22:04.48 | dondelelcaro | fasta: if no one adopts the packages, they're removed. |
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| 22:05.10 | jelly | !mia |
| 22:05.10 | dpkg | methinks mia is missing in action. status of missing unknown. as opposed to KIA, POW, or AWOL. |
| 22:05.14 | fasta | abrotman: when I file something wrongly, it should be reassigned. |
| 22:05.20 | dondelelcaro | fasta: and it was |
| 22:05.27 | jelly | dpkg: some day I'm going to update that factoid! |
| 22:05.31 | abrotman | fasta: and it was |
| 22:05.34 | abrotman | sorry :) |
| 22:05.35 | fasta | dondelelcaro: and it was reassigned back |
| 22:05.39 | dondelelcaro | fasta: no, it wasn't. |
| 22:05.41 | dondelelcaro | fasta: it was closed. |
| 22:05.53 | fasta | dondelelcaro: closing as gnome maintainer sees no necessity to work on. |
| 22:06.05 | Arie | hi can i send a message to some1 who is logged into my system? |
| 22:06.08 | dondelelcaro | fasta: yes, but it was closed while assigned to the linux kernel package. |
| 22:06.09 | fasta | dondelelcaro: not formally reassigned, maybe. |
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| 22:06.14 | Arie | he is logged in using ssh |
| 22:06.16 | sparr_w | abrotman: can screen show multiple things at once? ive used screen, i dont think its what im looking for |
| 22:06.19 | dondelelcaro | Arie: using write, yes. |
| 22:06.22 | abrotman | fasta: you can reopen and reassign the bug .. but it shouldn't have been filed against "gnome" .. that is a metapackage and entirely too vague |
| 22:06.30 | abrotman | sparr_w: you can split in screen |
| 22:06.37 | hardcampa | you can? |
| 22:06.39 | hardcampa | how |
| 22:06.41 | abrotman | (or does that require a patch?) |
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| 22:06.44 | amphi | ma3x: even when you specify the aspect? |
| 22:06.44 | fasta | abrotman: as a user I cannot be expected to know exactly what component should do what. |
| 22:06.47 | sparr_w | karsten: im not looking for an X window manager |
| 22:06.54 | fasta | abrotman: I didn't write the software. |
| 22:06.57 | abrotman | fasta: then maybe you shouldn't be running lenny/unstable |
| 22:07.00 | hardcampa | abrotman: I think that would require a patch |
| 22:07.11 | amphi | sparr_w: you can split screen windows, if that's what you mean |
| 22:07.11 | abrotman | hardcampa: c-a S |
| 22:07.11 | jelly | abrotman: but a new user wouldn't even have an idea of which package to file against. gnome-vfs-whatever? hal? |
| 22:07.14 | fasta | abrotman: do you seriously believe it works in Stable? |
| 22:07.17 | ma3x | amphi, no because I do -ovc copy. I have to reencode it |
| 22:07.20 | abrotman | fasta: did you try it in stable? |
| 22:07.21 | hardcampa | abrotman hum... |
| 22:07.37 | amphi | ma3x: mplayer can fix the aspect at playtime |
| 22:07.38 | fasta | abrotman: no |
| 22:07.39 | abrotman | hardcampa: it's in the man page .. i've never used it |
| 22:07.45 | sparr_w | amphi / abrotman: good to know, but i still dont think thats what im looking for |
| 22:07.48 | hardcampa | abrotman hmm don't work |
| 22:07.58 | ma3x | amphi, I need to have another file (a copy if possible of that .avi divx) with the correct aspect |
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| 22:07.59 | dondelelcaro | fasta: if you can reproduce it reliably, and it doesn't work with mount -t auto; then reopen it with extra information. |
| 22:08.00 | abrotman | hardcampa: maybve you have to do more to get it to work |
| 22:08.22 | abrotman | fasta: it's either a kernel bug or a bug in gnome-volume-manager (AFAICT anyways) |
| 22:08.31 | dondelelcaro | fasta: if it does work with mount -t auto, then reopen it and reassign it to gnome-volume-manager with extra information. |
| 22:08.55 | dondelelcaro | fasta: the information you've provided so far isn't enough to figure out what the issue is completely, and since you haven't responded further to the bug, no one is going to do any work on it. |
| 22:08.57 | hardcampa | abrotman: probably.. |
| 22:09.10 | Arie | thanks |
| 22:09.23 | Tramp | ma3x: you have to check the options of the codec you use (-ovc) for a possibility to set tha ratio. |
| 22:09.40 | abrotman | fasta: if the g-v-m maintainer thinks it's a lower level bug .. maybe it's a hal or udev bug |
| 22:09.57 | hardcampa | abrotman =) http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Using_screen#Regions |
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| 22:10.01 | ma3x | tralala, yes it's not a problem to set it, but the thing is that I have to encode it, and I want to just copy it, because encoding would last 2-3 hours |
| 22:10.14 | ma3x | Tramp, ^^ |
| 22:10.17 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I don't see why the information isn't enough. The one who received the bug report could simply test it for him/hisself and when I am not right, tell me: "works for me, maybe you did that and that wrong, closing. " |
| 22:10.18 | ma3x | tralala, not for you mistake sorry |
| 22:10.29 | fasta | her* |
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| 22:10.39 | hardcampa | abrotman: if you pardon that it's a gentoo link it's still informative |
| 22:10.40 | dondelelcaro | fasta: well, I've just told you why it wasn't enough. |
| 22:10.41 | abrotman | hardcampa: i believe there's a patch for vertical split also |
| 22:10.46 | hardcampa | ok |
| 22:11.06 | hardcampa | hmm I've been using emacs instead when I want splits and such.. would be neat to have it in screen directly though |
| 22:11.11 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I believe you haven't. |
| 22:11.13 | jelly | fasta: sometimes you have to deal with maintainers that are less than helpful |
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| 22:11.28 | abrotman | or be more helpful with the maintainer |
| 22:11.50 | dondelelcaro | fasta: you need to indicate whether it happens with mount -t auto and whether it happens all the time, etc. |
| 22:11.50 | Xires | I have a weird issue..after a recent upgrade, I seem to have lost my keyboard LEDs..num-lock, caps-lock & scroll-lock don't come on anymore at all..loading the leds kernel module doesn't appear to help..any ideas? |
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| 22:12.01 | Ronin | Xires: let me guess, sid? |
| 22:12.02 | fasta | dondelelcaro: of course it happened all the time. |
| 22:12.09 | abrotman | you didn't say anything like that |
| 22:12.10 | Xires | Ronin; yes |
| 22:12.11 | jelly | abrotman: I'd expect one to at least try to reproduce the issue, too. |
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| 22:12.19 | abrotman | jelly: fix dguitar! |
| 22:12.20 | fasta | abrotman: that seems rather obvious. |
| 22:12.25 | abrotman | fasta: no .. it's not |
| 22:12.27 | Tramp | ma3x: copy? Didn't you say it was a divx (mpeg4) source? |
| 22:12.36 | abrotman | fasta: what if it's an ext2 floppy ? |
| 22:12.52 | fasta | abrotman: I said "steps to reproduce". |
| 22:12.52 | jelly | abrotman: I will when I'm made maint. thereof ;-) |
| 22:13.11 | Xires | Ronin; so I take it this is a known issue for sid? |
| 22:13.18 | Ronin | Xires: i know its a common problem currently |
| 22:13.18 | abrotman | jelly: i have a feeling you could adopt it .. the DD seems to have been allowing NMUs for quite awhile |
| 22:13.19 | fasta | abrotman: if a maintainer doesn't understand that, he/she is lazy or stupid. |
| 22:13.32 | ma3x | Tramp, yes |
| 22:13.34 | Ronin | hah |
| 22:13.34 | Xires | Ronin; can you point me to any suggested fixes?? |
| 22:13.37 | abrotman | fasta: then be more helpful .. show them why you think it's a bug in g-v-m |
| 22:13.48 | Ronin | Xires: checked the bts? |
| 22:13.52 | jelly | fasta: well, now you've been given more info to add to the report, and a better package to reassign it to. |
| 22:13.55 | abrotman | fasta: don't file half-assed bugs |
| 22:13.58 | fasta | abrotman: you are arguing about a component. |
| 22:14.08 | Tramp | ma3x: How are you supposed to make a DVD from a divx without re-encoding to mpeg2? |
| 22:14.16 | abrotman | fasta: you're arguing about a bug report that contains NO useful information |
| 22:14.20 | Xires | Ronin; going to simply say 'no', as I don't understand the acronym |
| 22:14.27 | Ronin | !tell Xires about bts |
| 22:14.28 | fasta | abrotman: the point is that the end-user(i.e. me) has a problem that does work on another operating system. |
| 22:14.37 | abrotman | the point is that you're lazy |
| 22:14.39 | ma3x | Tramp, I am re-encoding to mpeg2 but it's no use because even when I specify the ratio it doesn't accept it |
| 22:14.47 | ma3x | Tramp, I have to first change this divx file |
| 22:14.47 | fasta | abrotman: wth? What report are you looking at? |
| 22:14.48 | Xires | oh..I should've known that |
| 22:14.56 | abrotman | jelly: the DD of dguitar only has like three packages .. most seem fairly out of date |
| 22:14.59 | fasta | abrotman: I supplied exact steps to reproduce. |
| 22:15.07 | fasta | abrotman: any dump computer could understand them. |
| 22:15.10 | fasta | dumb* |
| 22:15.12 | hardcampa | abrotman sweet, split screen works nicely now in screen, was nothing to it. (i ha remapped my Ctrl-a key due to emacs though, that's why it didn't work) |
| 22:15.18 | abrotman | doh! |
| 22:15.19 | Tramp | ma3x: no. You have to re-encode to mpeg2 and tell the mpeg2-codec to embed the correct aspect-ratio in the mpeg2. |
| 22:15.21 | hardcampa | =) |
| 22:15.21 | Ronin | Xires: i dont run sid so i havent been paying much attention but i do know its a common problem currently |
| 22:15.44 | dondelelcaro | fasta: instead of complaining here, you could take action to actually work on resolving the problem; providing the extra information that I indicated along with reoopening the bug. |
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| 22:16.01 | Xires | Ronin; understood, ty..not certain where to start when checking BTS..will have a look, though |
| 22:16.03 | abrotman | hardcampa: now your life is complete? :) |
| 22:16.08 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I cannot reproduce it anymore, since I don't have a floppy drive anymore. |
| 22:16.13 | hardcampa | yes now I can die |
| 22:16.21 | ma3x | Tramp, I did that I specified in -lavcopts aspect=4/3 but then when i dvdauthor the file (to prepare it make the vob files it complaines about "unknown aspect") |
| 22:16.22 | fasta | dondelelcaro: it was just meant as an illustration. |
| 22:16.24 | dondelelcaro | fasta: but if you're not willing to expend some effort to make Debian better, then complaining about maintainers being unwilling to expend effort on your problems is useless.. |
| 22:16.31 | dondelelcaro | fasta: well, perhaps the maintainers don't have floppy drives either? |
| 22:16.46 | fasta | dondelelcaro: that could be, but then they should state that in the BTS. |
| 22:16.53 | LjL | dondelelcaro: can i PM you about the dpkg bot? |
| 22:17.08 | dondelelcaro | LjL: best to just ask here |
| 22:17.29 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I spent more time on making Debian better than the average Debian user probably. |
| 22:17.35 | jelly | fasta: so reopen, reassign, and mention that you're not complaining about the need to manually modprobe, but about g-v-m not doing its job with a floppy (while doing it with say an usb stick with the same fs) |
| 22:17.35 | LjL | dondelelcaro, well, i'd like to know the algorithm and parameters it uses to set +l |
| 22:17.36 | abrotman | haha |
| 22:17.46 | Ronin | think i just sprayed beer out my nose on that one |
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| 22:17.47 | dondelelcaro | LjL: dpkg doesn't touch +L |
| 22:17.50 | dondelelcaro | s/L/l/ |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | deborphan ? |
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| 22:18.11 | abrotman | erm .. debhelper |
| 22:18.22 | LjL | dondelelcaro: oh gah you're right... do you own debhelper as well, or can point me to someone who does, or know its algorithm anyway? |
| 22:18.49 | jelly | LjL: looks to me like it sets current number +15 every now and then. |
| 22:18.49 | fasta | jelly: to me it appears that the maintainer simply was too lazy to try to reproduce it following the steps I defined. |
| 22:18.53 | dondelelcaro | LjL: that's done with debhelper which is an eggdrop, which uses something like chansize +/- 10 within +/- 3 every 5 minutes. |
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| 22:19.01 | LjL | jelly: the "every now and then" is the key :) |
| 22:19.04 | jelly | fasta: it could be. deal with it. |
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| 22:19.20 | fasta | jelly: and I already said I cannot reproduce it myself anymore, since I don't have a floppy drive anymore. |
| 22:19.23 | dondelelcaro | fasta: the maintainer felt that it was a kernel problem; reassigned. the kernel maintainer noted that since it worked, it wasn't. and closed the bug. |
| 22:19.29 | jelly | fasta: *shrug* |
| 22:19.30 | dondelelcaro | fasta: if it's still a problem, reopen. If not, move on. |
| 22:19.34 | Eulex | fasta, or perhaps, as he said, he believed it was a kernel issue. |
| 22:19.35 | LjL | dondelelcaro: "withing +/-3" meaning that, if the user count only changed by 3 or less, it doesn't touch it? |
| 22:19.38 | fasta | dondelelcaro: yes, move on, please. |
| 22:19.42 | dondelelcaro | LjL: something like that. |
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| 22:20.10 | jelly | fasta: if you want to make a point, take steps to reproduce. qemu or virtualbox have floppy driver emulation |
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| 22:20.31 | LjL | dondelelcaro: and, every 5 minutes? i was testing with every 30 *seconds* right now. doing it only every 5 minutes still allows to almost never reach the limit when not under attack? |
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| 22:20.48 | karlpersson | Hi, while trying to run dhclient I get the following: http://pastebin.se/58523 |
| 22:20.53 | karlpersson | Does that tell you anything |
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| 22:21.03 | karlpersson | My computer is connected trough a swtich |
| 22:21.14 | dondelelcaro | LjL: pretty much |
| 22:21.28 | dondelelcaro | LjL: but +J is actually a bit more fine grained than +l |
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| 22:22.41 | LjL | dondelelcaro: good to know... i was probably being overcautious. thanks. well, the problem with +J is that we decided we don't like it in our channel, so it has to be just a bot |
| 22:22.41 | dondelelcaro | LjL: why? |
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| 22:22.52 | dondelelcaro | LjL: in general, if you're having problems with +J, it's because you don't have it set well |
| 22:22.55 | LjL | dondelelcaro: because of how horribly it behaves during server deaths (and even some very massive netsplits without server deaths) |
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| 22:23.20 | dondelelcaro | LjL: netsplits generally disable +J |
| 22:23.24 | DawnLight | someone has to come up with a way to sing in irc |
| 22:23.25 | LjL | uhm now for instance it set a limit of 779, even though the users are just 764 |
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| 22:23.44 | dondelelcaro | LjL: and in the cases when they don't, you can disable it using chanserv. |
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| 22:24.16 | LjL | dondelelcaro: unless chanserv is dead =) honestly though, if it were for me, i'd just leave +J set and deal with the consequences when they happen. but it's not just me. |
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| 22:24.29 | dondelelcaro | oh well; best of luck. |
| 22:24.54 | LjL | dondelelcaro: well, currently we have neither +J nor a bot, so at least it can only get better :) |
| 22:26.08 | Tramp | ma3x: I think, that is the wrong option. What you probably want is the vaspect-parameter of -mpegopts of the Muxer. |
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| 22:26.49 | Tramp | ma3x: But this is just an educated guess. As I said, I rarely use mencoder/mplayer and the manpage is a PITA. |
| 22:27.02 | ma3x | Tramp, I didn't know that option thanks !!!! |
| 22:27.40 | Tramp | ma3x: Just a Tip: use avisplit to extract a minute or so from the avi to test. |
| 22:27.58 | dondelelcaro | LjL: yeah, it's actually +/- 15 +/- 5 grace every 10 minutes |
| 22:27.59 | ma3x | Tramp, I use ctrl+c |
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| 22:30.35 | Tramp | ma3x: yeah. This option is mentioned on line 7356 of the manpage ... |
| 22:32.04 | ma3x | Tramp, yeah and it works!!! |
| 22:32.07 | ma3x | thanks dude |
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| 22:34.13 | bartden | is it possible to send a complete dir over scp to another host ? |
| 22:34.20 | bartden | or with sftp |
| 22:34.47 | Tramp | ma3x: np, learned something too 8) |
| 22:35.10 | Tramp | bartden: Think it is the -r-option to scp |
| 22:35.11 | Zippy2 | scp -r |
| 22:35.37 | ma3x | Tramp, yup I've been doing all my videos with mencoder. it's the best out there |
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| 22:35.51 | dondelelcaro | bartden: though you'll find that rsync is more suitable for that kind of thing |
| 22:36.00 | Tramp | ma3x: I just don't like its manpage 8) |
| 22:36.30 | ma3x | Tramp, why not, confusing? |
| 22:36.42 | Tramp | ma3x: Too long |
| 22:37.04 | ma3x | Tramp, yeah I often ask for help, as you see I'm unable to find it myself |
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| 22:37.57 | r3coba | hey again |
| 22:38.03 | Tramp | ma3x: *g* - yeah just find some ... who does the reading for you ;) |
| 22:38.32 | ma3x | hehe |
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| 22:44.49 | diegosx | i need help |
| 22:44.58 | diegosx | i wanna download debian |
| 22:45.02 | diegosx | but i dont know what |
| 22:45.03 | diegosx | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 22:45.04 | diegosx | of this |
| 22:45.33 | diegosx | wich? |
| 22:46.44 | abrotman | diegosx: you have broadband? |
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| 22:47.00 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 22:47.15 | diegosx | yes |
| 22:47.26 | diegosx | this is a alternate? |
| 22:47.39 | diegosx | because i have a laptop |
| 22:47.49 | diegosx | it has 128 MB RAM |
| 22:48.37 | Asmooh | thats the netinstall |
| 22:48.58 | diegosx | i wanna the install |
| 22:49.03 | Asmooh | then it dowload the lastest packages from internet |
| 22:49.06 | Asmooh | not from dvd :) |
| 22:50.34 | ma3x | abrotman, why not give him the url with mirrors? maybe he doesn't have torrent program |
| 22:50.49 | diegosx | i have the torrent program |
| 22:51.00 | diegosx | uTorrent |
| 22:51.10 | ma3x | ah great then download it |
| 22:51.12 | abrotman | ma3x: he gave me the damn directory of bittorrents |
| 22:51.17 | diegosx | but wich? |
| 22:51.22 | abrotman | diegosx: the netinst |
| 22:51.23 | diegosx | i wanna de alternate cd |
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| 22:51.44 | abrotman | then get CD1 |
| 22:51.49 | diegosx | or the instalation in text mode |
| 22:52.01 | diegosx | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 22:52.02 | diegosx | this? |
| 22:52.20 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 22:52.24 | sayers | Is there any recommended e-comerence software for my server? |
| 22:52.29 | diegosx | ok |
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| 22:56.36 | mirak | hi |
| 22:56.57 | mirak | is there a way with APT to do something similar to portage ? |
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| 22:57.17 | mirak | or it would need to heavy modifications ? |
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| 23:00.43 | Ronin | mirak: that depends, what does portage do that you want |
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| 23:01.21 | mirak | Ronin: in depth dependencies compiling |
| 23:02.12 | mirak | Ronin: I don't care about use flags, just gcc compile options are fine |
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| 23:02.45 | mirak | Ronin: apt-build compile a package, put just install dependencies without compiling them. it also doesn't rebuild static libraries |
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| 23:09.05 | mirak | Ronin: heyyy |
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| 23:14.54 | ricosecada | Anyone using git as cvs? |
| 23:15.26 | cast | linus |
| 23:15.31 | Jyzygzy- | linus torvalds |
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| 23:16.11 | Jyzygzy- | call his home number and ask instructions |
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| 23:16.47 | temp1234 | anyone have a problem with snort-mysql and oinkmaster; once I run oinkmaster to update rules to the registered snort.org ones, snort no longer flags alerts, is there something I need to adjust in snort.conf |
| 23:17.12 | ricosecada | Jyzygzy, instructions for what? |
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| 23:18.45 | Jyzygzy- | for kebab |
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| 23:20.03 | ricosecada | Jyzygzy, damn your funny man! |
| 23:20.11 | Jyzygzy- | yea i know |
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| 23:25.22 | LjL | dondelelcaro, by the way, you're right that +J is ignored on netsplits, but what we have observed is that with big netsplits (even without server deaths), many people exceed SendQ (probably because of the huge flow of "foo has quit"/"foo has joined" messages) and quit. since their clients then reconnects immediately, they all hit +J |
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| 23:27.31 | dondelelcaro | LjL: sure, but that's generally a relatively small percentage, at least on this channel. |
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| 23:27.52 | dondelelcaro | (we know, because we watch who is in #debian-overflow) |
| 23:28.19 | dondelelcaro | there are occasionally exceptional circumstances, but in those cases, you just remove the +J temporarily |
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| 23:28.40 | LjL | dondelelcaro: well, the bigger the channel, the greater the percentage (and i do mean *percentage*, not just absolute number), since there will be more join/part messages. but yes, it's definitely not even close to 50% |
| 23:29.31 | LjL | dondelelcaro: yes... the only really serious problem is on server deaths (and even then). |
| 23:30.58 | DawnLight | i'm getting spam from one particular spammer. i can reckognize his style of writing. horrible job he has. anyway, i'd like to track down the bastard and put a stop to this. i've hundreds of messages from him saved away. is it possible? |
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| 23:32.10 | streuner | hm, sounds you learned to *love* him :-) |
| 23:32.44 | streuner | besides of technical issues, you are wasting too much time with enemies... |
| 23:32.54 | DawnLight | i'd love to find out if i'd miss his messages |
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| 23:33.11 | DawnLight | one enemy, it seems |
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| 23:35.25 | DawnLight | well, apart from those coming from murphy.debian.org |
| 23:37.00 | streuner | DawnLight: http://spamlinks.net/filter-client-unix.htm - it may help |
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| 23:39.20 | DawnLight | streuner: thanks but i don't like the idea of it. there's one chimp who has me addy in his list. this may be taken care of singularly |
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| 23:42.20 | ThRiX | hi at all |
| 23:42.22 | ThRiX | how resolve "Not configured to listen on any interfaces!" error when launch dhcp 3 server |
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| 23:48.21 | jelly-home | ThRiX: configure it to listen on some interfaces. /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 23:48.46 | ThRiX | INTERFACES="eth0" ? |
| 23:48.51 | jelly-home | right |
| 23:49.01 | ThRiX | is already configured... |
| 23:49.32 | ThRiX | like dhcpd.conf... |
| 23:49.57 | ThRiX | nothing? |
| 23:51.04 | Kevin` | ThRiX your configuration looks right in theory, so I suspect you have a syntax or logical problem we're not seeing. which is why I want any errors about the configuration? |
| 23:51.04 | xlotlu | any tool to fix misreported length of mp3s? |
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| 23:51.47 | ThRiX | ok |
| 23:52.00 | ThRiX | can i paste error on syslog? |
| 23:52.22 | Kevin` | ThRiX google pastebin |
| 23:52.26 | Tramp | !paste |
| 23:52.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:52.31 | ThRiX | ok |
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| 23:53.32 | amphi | xlotlu: misreported by what? I've seen mplayer confused by vbr mp3s |
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| 23:54.02 | xlotlu | amphi: it is vbr, but it's misreported by everything.. |
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| 23:54.34 | ThRiX | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m3c80beee |
| 23:54.57 | ThRiX | is right? |
| 23:55.29 | ThRiX | or http://pastebin.com/m3c80beee |
| 23:56.02 | amphi | xlotlu: perhaps they all use the same backend? ;) |
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| 23:56.58 | xlotlu | amphi: true, i only tried mplayer and xine.. but that doesn't make things less annoying |
| 23:57.01 | ThRiX | and here http://pastebin.com/m64f77746 |
| 23:57.10 | ThRiX | is my config... |
| 23:57.57 | ThRiX | ... |
| 23:58.15 | sarixe | how do i manually edit the gnome menu? |
| 23:58.18 | ThRiX | Kevin`: ??? |
| 23:58.32 | sarixe | i built a new gtkpod, and it needs special arguments |
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| 23:59.06 | Kevin` | ThRiX which of those is the error messages |
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| 23:59.16 | sarixe | nevermind |
| 23:59.24 | sivik | ok, i installed sendmail and now i can't ping or go anywhere on the internet unless i type in the ip address, my resolver is no longer working, how do i go about fixing it |
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| 23:59.43 | ThRiX | ??? |
| 23:59.58 | ThRiX | Kevin`: i don't understand |