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| 00:15.24 | michal__ | anyone know how to prevent space from breaking a string up in bash for loops (for example) ? |
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| 00:16.04 | ozatomic | has there been any recent exploits for debian, on my server every site i have hosted on it, about 3 - 5 fiels in each site has the googlerank.info hack inserted into it |
| 00:16.37 | azeem | ozatomic: there are no exploits for operating systems, only for kernel and individual applications |
| 00:16.45 | stew | ozatomic: http://debian.org/security ; /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
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| 00:17.07 | ozatomic | i've gone there but i can't see any that would apply to me and i want to knwo how they got into my sevrer |
| 00:17.32 | azeem | ozatomic: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 00:17.33 | Kiowas | Hi |
| 00:17.47 | ozatomic | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 00:17.48 | michal__ | oh.. i think i've figured it out.. but it looks pretty weird with yet another set of brackets around it |
| 00:17.52 | michal__ | quotes rather |
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| 00:17.57 | cmang | ozatomic: take a look at the logs for your services for fishy stuff. I'd start with things like Apache logs, PHP. |
| 00:18.19 | snacky | how can I figure out which of my currently-installed packages depend on libssl ? |
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| 00:18.55 | Kiowas | I'm interested in upgrading to the testing distribution. But when I attempt a dist-upgrade I am warned about the followinr dependencies that will be left unresolved: libgnomevfs2-0 recommends gnome-mount, libslang2 recommends libpng12, openoffice.org-core recommends nfs-common. So, how much will break because of that if I do it? |
| 00:19.22 | azeem | ozatomic: and "cat /etc/debian_version"? |
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| 00:19.43 | ozatomic | 4.0 |
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| 00:20.24 | LightKnight | snacky: deborphan libssl-something |
| 00:20.59 | stew | Kiowas: are you using aptitude? or apt-get? (its recommended to use aptitude) |
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| 00:20.59 | Kiowas | stew, aptitude |
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| 00:22.08 | stew | Kiowas: you can run the aptitude frontend to try to sort out the dependencies. or after the upgrade you can run "aptitude install gnome-mount libslang2..." etc to try to bring them up to date |
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| 00:22.55 | Kiowas | stew, and if bringing them up to date doesn't work? |
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| 00:23.48 | stew | Kiowas: it would be fine. they will be able to be brought up to date eventually. this kind of breakage is not uncomon in testing. packages are often removed from testing to facilitate library transitions |
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| 00:24.45 | Kiowas | stew, what will break though? how important is libgnomevfs2-0? I don't know what that is. and libslang2. |
| 00:24.52 | ozatomic | azeem: does this look bad http://rafb.net/p/h4guKz77.html |
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| 00:26.05 | stew | Kiowas: libgnomevfs2-0 is critical to gnome. but its not critical that all of its recommended packages are installed. they are just recommended accompanying packages, not strict dependencies |
| 00:26.31 | azeem | ozatomic: no idea |
| 00:26.39 | Kiowas | stew, ok, thanks |
| 00:27.18 | stew | CONNECT? isn't that a proxy verb? |
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| 00:27.34 | ozatomic | not sure |
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| 00:30.46 | stew | ozatomic: yeah CONNECT is a proxy verb. it means that someone was attempting to use your site as a proxy to another site |
| 00:30.55 | ozatomic | arh ok |
| 00:31.06 | stew | ozatomic: the result code was a 302 which is a redirect. i'm not sure if that is an indication of success or failure |
| 00:31.21 | ozatomic | could be a vunrability though |
| 00:32.58 | stew | ozatomic: if, in fact, someone is able to use your webserver as a proxy to ramdom other sites, that is very bad |
| 00:35.18 | mogra | interesting, I've got a few similar statements like that in my apache access.log |
| 00:35.35 | mogra | but result code is 200, so |
| 00:35.45 | stew | 200 is success |
| 00:36.30 | mogra | 85.190.0.3 is the requesting IP |
| 00:36.42 | mogra | hmm |
| 00:37.13 | stew | oh |
| 00:37.15 | stew | that's freenode |
| 00:37.20 | mogra | ahh |
| 00:37.25 | mogra | now that's interesting XD |
| 00:37.32 | stew | run "whois 85.190.0.3" |
| 00:38.19 | stew | "If you see portscans/abuse from 85.190.0.3 Please read http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies" |
| 00:39.23 | mogra | ah |
| 00:39.27 | enouf | Kiowas: aren't you the one i mentioned the 'APT::Install-Recommends=False;' stuff to after you really wanted me (or anyone) to tell you how to keep recommends from being auto-installed using apt-get? |
| 00:39.43 | Kiowas | enouf, no |
| 00:39.55 | enouf | Kiowas: oh .. hrm my bad then |
| 00:40.10 | mogra | that's cool with me, I've been getting SSH attempts from some guy in Russia, so it just peaked my curiosity. |
| 00:40.35 | Ronin | mogra: wait for it :) |
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| 00:40.56 | mogra | Ronin: ? |
| 00:41.18 | Ronin | only from one ip? wait till you get hit by dozens or more |
| 00:41.20 | stew | mogra: welcome to the internet, you should expect hundreds to thousands of those attempts per day |
| 00:41.22 | stiv2k | hey would a dual core CPU have a significant increase in speed when it comes to say transcoding video compared to a single core? Cause i used one program that didnt have SMP support and it took like 5-6 hours and a different program that still did the same 2-pass encoding takes only 2 hours |
| 00:42.00 | mogra | stew: Yea, I know :D |
| 00:42.20 | mogra | stew: been playing this game for a long time. |
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| 00:52.26 | gordboy | quick plug. .deb & source tarball of xspect spectral analyzer for ALSA sound under Linux - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xspect/ - anyone interested in development/testing please pm me. thanks |
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| 00:54.04 | Decepticon | okay ive installed my hdd into my debian computer when i do fdisk -l i see /dev/hdb (a slave hdd i added!) as 500gb and fdisk -l tells me: Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table .... what is the next step for me to be able to use my hdd? |
| 00:54.05 | enouf | FWIW -- i have tested that app above from gordboy (xspect), on debian lenny/sid, works almost perfectly, it's small and fast, and interesting |
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| 00:55.09 | enouf | (whoops, i must mention, i d/l and compiled it, some days back, i have yet to try installing through the packed .deb) .. |
| 00:58.33 | Decepticon | dpkg tell me about partitioning hdd |
| 00:58.57 | Decepticon | dpkg tell me about partition hdd |
| 00:59.08 | Decepticon | dpkg tell me about partition |
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| 00:59.21 | Decepticon | dpkg tell me about partitions |
| 00:59.41 | Decepticon | :/ |
| 00:59.44 | Tramp | !selftell |
| 00:59.44 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 00:59.56 | Decepticon | i see, thanks for the tip |
| 01:00.05 | Decepticon | well can anyone tell me how to partition my hdd |
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| 01:00.23 | azeem | Decepticon: what is your problem? |
| 01:00.35 | azeem | did the installer not parition your harddisk? |
| 01:00.45 | Decepticon | i just added a hdd and i want to use it but its got no partitions on it |
| 01:00.55 | Decepticon | its an extra hdd |
| 01:01.20 | Szeraax | so you want to partition it then? |
| 01:01.32 | azeem | Decepticon: run gparted on it |
| 01:01.44 | Szeraax | are you OK with command line or do you like GUI? |
| 01:01.55 | Decepticon | i'd prefer gui |
| 01:02.03 | Szeraax | yeah, gparted is best |
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| 01:02.38 | Szeraax | which is really just a frontend for parted which is the command line tool |
| 01:03.00 | Decepticon | i see |
| 01:03.03 | Decepticon | thanks. ill look at it |
| 01:03.46 | Szeraax | enjoy |
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| 01:04.09 | jazzon666 | hoola |
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| 01:04.15 | Szeraax | yo |
| 01:04.32 | jazzon666 | alguna chica argentina? |
| 01:04.41 | Szeraax | nein |
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| 01:04.49 | Szeraax | ich bin Amerikan |
| 01:05.00 | Szeraax | (yes, i said than in German...) |
| 01:05.41 | methods | are all the new daemons like dbus and stuff becomes a defacto ? i mean aren't they *extra... is there a way for me to install debian with the bare bones for a server and remove all the extra fluffy desktop stuff used today ? |
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| 01:06.01 | Szeraax | oh yes |
| 01:06.02 | dondelelcaro | methods: you don't even need to install the desktop stuff in the first place. |
| 01:06.10 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 01:06.23 | methods | dondelelcaro: i dont mean *desktop as in kde... i mean stuff like dbus |
| 01:06.30 | Szeraax | you can create one that has as many packages and you have fingers and toes |
| 01:06.41 | Szeraax | as you have * |
| 01:06.44 | dondelelcaro | methods: well, all of that stuff is dependencies of gnome et al; if you don't install any of it, you won't have it |
| 01:07.16 | methods | well i accidently installed the desktop ... is there like a category removal tool to wipe out the entire desktop category ? |
| 01:07.21 | Szeraax | yeha |
| 01:07.23 | Szeraax | aptitude |
| 01:07.32 | dondelelcaro | methods: you can just mark everything in the desktop task as automatically installed, and it'll go away. |
| 01:07.35 | methods | is hald needed too ? |
| 01:07.36 | Szeraax | go to gnome or kde and choose remove |
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| 01:08.05 | methods | avahi-daemon NetworkManager ? wtf are those ? |
| 01:08.26 | stew | methods: "tasksel --task-packages desktop" will list the packages which were installed by the desktop task, aptitude remove those |
| 01:08.44 | HNS | When i used to work at a helpdesk we had avahi phones |
| 01:08.46 | Szeraax | just chose the meta package for the desktop and it will remove all those anyway |
| 01:09.07 | HNS | Nightmare job but great phones! |
| 01:09.11 | methods | you mea avaya ? |
| 01:09.12 | stew | Szeraax: i don't think so |
| 01:09.23 | HNS | hah |
| 01:09.24 | methods | yea i dont think that happens |
| 01:09.28 | HNS | you are right |
| 01:09.29 | methods | it just removes the meta package |
| 01:09.38 | HNS | Funny, I mixed the two up |
| 01:09.38 | pleed | does someone know what else is important to crypt? i have /home and swap. |
| 01:09.48 | Szeraax | stew: it should, so long as noother packages has those dependancies |
| 01:10.00 | stew | Szeraax: which package are you talking about? |
| 01:10.09 | Szeraax | that's why debians package management is soo great |
| 01:10.16 | HNS | avaya is a company started by some guys from bell labs i think |
| 01:10.18 | stew | methods: when you use aptitude to remove the meta package, it removes the dependencies as well |
| 01:10.23 | Szeraax | it doesn't leave random pacages |
| 01:10.26 | Szeraax | packages* |
| 01:10.28 | stew | methods: (so long as they aren't needed by other packages) |
| 01:10.32 | Szeraax | stew: kde |
| 01:10.37 | Szeraax | or 'gnome' |
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| 01:10.48 | HNS | so why gnome in stead of kde? |
| 01:10.50 | stew | Szeraax: yes, that is one of many packages installed by desktop |
| 01:10.53 | methods | so aptitude by default does more... and apt-get does less ? |
| 01:10.57 | stew | Szeraax: he'd still want to remove the others |
| 01:11.01 | Szeraax | they are the same |
| 01:11.08 | stew | Szeraax: no, they aren't |
| 01:11.17 | Szeraax | aptitude is frontend for apt-get |
| 01:11.25 | stew | Szeraax: "tasksel --task-packages desktop" you are only talking about one of the packages "desktop-base" |
| 01:12.14 | Szeraax | aptitude is friendlier |
| 01:12.14 | stew | aptitude and apt-get are both frontends for libapt |
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| 01:12.15 | methods | what is this tasksel ? some tyep of interface for apt-get tasks ? |
| 01:12.15 | kisielk_ | aptitude does everything apt-get can do |
| 01:12.15 | Szeraax | stew: i thought they were both frontends for dpkg... |
| 01:12.15 | kisielk_ | on the command line |
| 01:12.15 | HNS | middleware yeehaa! |
| 01:12.15 | kisielk_ | so there's no point in using apt-get any more |
| 01:12.22 | kisielk_ | especially since aptitude keeps track of dependencies better |
| 01:12.23 | stew | kisielk_: that's not true |
| 01:12.36 | kisielk_ | stew: how's that? |
| 01:12.45 | stew | kisielk_: apt-get source, apt-get build-dep |
| 01:12.51 | Szeraax | kisielk_: stew is right, aptitude can play minesweeper! |
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| 01:13.01 | HNS | well I use apt-cache |
| 01:13.07 | HNS | and apt-get |
| 01:13.20 | HNS | It's faster than scrolling through the menus |
| 01:13.21 | Szeraax | havent used apt-cache... will check that out |
| 01:13.32 | Szeraax | i dont scroll, i search |
| 01:13.45 | HNS | apt-cache search or show |
| 01:13.53 | HNS | yes |
| 01:14.02 | HNS | but I get all the results at once |
| 01:14.04 | HNS | ;) |
| 01:14.05 | Szeraax | hmm |
| 01:14.07 | Szeraax | nice |
| 01:14.09 | methods | to me it just sounds like apt-get is more raw bone while aptitude just takes the best gues and is more of an automated tool |
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| 01:14.22 | Szeraax | methods: nope |
| 01:14.30 | jared | How outdated are the packages in etch (stable) |
| 01:14.42 | Szeraax | apt-get is just not menu or very interactive |
| 01:14.43 | kisielk_ | stew: well, okay, aptitude doesn't do anything related to source packages, but I never use that |
| 01:14.50 | HNS | sure |
| 01:14.55 | Szeraax | jared: some, like pidgen are gaim. |
| 01:14.56 | kisielk_ | stew: but I suppose technically you are right :) |
| 01:14.59 | HNS | I use aptidude as well |
| 01:15.21 | jared | Szeraax, i'm pretty good with linux (I've been using ubuntu for a while now) would it be advisable to upgrade to unstable testing and use it if I want the latest? |
| 01:15.23 | Szeraax | kisielk_: i dont apt-get does with source either. I have always used dpkg when it comes to source |
| 01:15.37 | HNS | But then i'd rather use the graphical package manager |
| 01:15.49 | methods | ubuntu hasn't even been around 'a while' heh |
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| 01:16.03 | Szeraax | jared: i use etch, i hear that lenny is kinda buggy, but it certainly ain't sid, so you probly should be good |
| 01:16.11 | Szeraax | i don't think* |
| 01:16.20 | jared | wait...what is lenny? |
| 01:16.33 | Szeraax | unstable |
| 01:17.20 | dondelelcaro | uh... lenny is testing |
| 01:17.21 | Szeraax | etch=stable, lenny-unstable, sid-testing |
| 01:17.29 | Szeraax | did i mix those 2 up? |
| 01:17.29 | dondelelcaro | ugh. no. |
| 01:17.31 | Szeraax | whoops |
| 01:17.34 | Szeraax | my bad |
| 01:17.35 | dondelelcaro | sid is always unstable |
| 01:17.43 | Szeraax | k, switch those last 2... |
| 01:17.44 | HNS | You know what i like about synaptec? It's like being in windows update, only you can download software too ! Ans there isn't anyone screaming at you "You're an asshole! You'll burn in hell!". |
| 01:17.54 | Szeraax | or restart or die! |
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| 01:18.35 | HNS | Pretty fast szeraax |
| 01:19.14 | jared | I always heard of sid being the testing unstable |
| 01:19.40 | Szeraax | jared: no, there are 2 different ones for each of those... (testing, unstable) |
| 01:19.58 | drwahl | a script i have (for karamba) calls the command /sbin/ip addr show eth1, what package includes that utility? |
| 01:20.00 | Szeraax | apparently, i can't keep them stright, so i won't say which is whcih |
| 01:21.00 | drwahl | jared: sid is unstable, meaning the packages have not been thouroughly tested. Lenny is testing, meaning that no huge flaws have been found for a few weeks |
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| 01:21.25 | Szeraax | jared: yeah, what he said... |
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| 01:24.12 | Szeraax | well, guys, i gotta go take a Linux test now |
| 01:24.15 | Szeraax | best of luck to me |
| 01:24.25 | Szeraax | may god give you all a nice christmas... |
| 01:24.27 | Tramp | drwahl: iproute |
| 01:24.27 | Szeraax | :) |
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| 01:28.56 | _mre|666 | #politics is getting botflooded |
| 01:28.59 | _mre|666 | had to leave |
| 01:29.10 | _mre|666 | didn't think bots were allowed on freenode |
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| 01:30.19 | OminousZ | There's probably a limit per user |
| 01:30.43 | OminousZ | not that quantity matters when being used maliciously, from a rules standpoint |
| 01:31.05 | _mre|666 | yeah |
| 01:31.08 | YGingras | grub tells me that the Xen kernel is too big. Anything that I can do? |
| 01:31.13 | _mre|666 | people are stupid |
| 01:31.23 | _mre|666 | you'd think they'd find out about efnet |
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| 01:31.25 | _mre|666 | heh |
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| 01:32.52 | Zippy2 | efnet is too boring for botnets. opers get too amused by it |
| 01:33.27 | _mre|666 | lol |
| 01:33.31 | _mre|666 | isn't that the truth |
| 01:33.45 | _mre|666 | we have a few opers that hang out in #computers |
| 01:33.52 | OminousZ | You know what they say about stupidity... |
| 01:33.54 | _mre|666 | as soon as anybody floods in there, they all get glined |
| 01:33.55 | _mre|666 | hehe |
| 01:34.13 | _mre|666 | i think moon has killed like 20 trolls in there just this week |
| 01:34.25 | stew | can you guys please take this discussion to #defocus or some other more approproate place? |
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| 01:34.41 | Zippy2 | i wasnt discussing it |
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| 01:34.52 | _mre|666 | this is freenode, just talking about the network |
| 01:35.09 | _mre|666 | and it's getting flooded hard right now sucks |
| 01:35.25 | stew | _mre|666: if you need netowrk support, go to #freenode, if you want general chit-chat, go to #defocus |
| 01:35.44 | _mre|666 | stew: you an op in here? |
| 01:36.54 | techrush | _mre|666, go blue. |
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| 01:37.05 | _mre|666 | i'm sorry you're hell bent on killing any convo in here that isn't channel related, but if you don't run this channel, i don't see how your opinion matters |
| 01:37.33 | _mre|666 | tech: hahah... be careful, stew will tell us to go to #football if we talk about football |
| 01:37.38 | _mre|666 | GO BUCKS! |
| 01:37.42 | _mre|666 | heh |
| 01:38.09 | Zippy2 | i dont want no twubble!! |
| 01:38.15 | _mre|666 | hehe |
| 01:38.15 | stew | _mre|666: do you have a debian related question? if so, please just ask it. if not, please just move on |
| 01:38.16 | _mre|666 | either do i |
| 01:38.30 | techrush | i have a debian question |
| 01:38.32 | _mre|666 | stew: shutup... stop being a penis |
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| 01:38.43 | techrush | how can i make my apple bluetooth keyboard work |
| 01:38.56 | techrush | when i 1st installed it worked ok |
| 01:39.01 | techrush | then it just stopped |
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| 01:40.30 | Zippy2 | he did not just do that. |
| 01:40.31 | Unwise | gm |
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| 01:40.47 | Zippy2 | its probably been at least 5 years since ive seen a join flood |
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| 01:41.01 | methods | whats the NetworkManager all about ? is that a standard tool now ? or a desktop tool ? |
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| 01:41.11 | Zippy2 | methods: its a noob tool |
| 01:41.13 | stew | methods: desktop, certainly not standard |
| 01:41.20 | Zippy2 | when i install debian i instantly apt-get remove --purge network-manager |
| 01:41.39 | methods | so thats that funny thing that showed up on the gnome systray and cept messing with my /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:41.42 | techrush | it sure makes setting up WPA wireless easier |
| 01:41.46 | methods | well it would overide the settings |
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| 01:42.25 | methods | i always wonder why someone hasn't written a tool that snifs the wire and instantly programs the nic to be on the same network as other pc's |
| 01:42.33 | methods | they should make something like cdp standard |
| 01:42.39 | Zippy2 | methods: it's called dhcp |
| 01:42.45 | methods | um |
| 01:42.48 | methods | no |
| 01:42.53 | Zippy2 | um, yes. |
| 01:43.04 | methods | no |
| 01:43.11 | Zippy2 | obviously you dont know what dhcp is |
| 01:43.16 | methods | yes |
| 01:43.20 | Zippy2 | what's the d stand for in dhcp? |
| 01:43.24 | methods | dynamic |
| 01:43.29 | methods | host control protocol |
| 01:43.35 | Zippy2 | ok, what's the first phase of starting a dhcp client? |
| 01:43.51 | methods | obviously dhcp doens't always exist... and i said listening to the wire and auto-configurating |
| 01:43.59 | methods | dhcp broadcast |
| 01:44.08 | methods | i havn't cared in a long time |
| 01:44.22 | Zippy2 | did you ever learn dora? |
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| 01:44.35 | Zippy2 | ok enough chats. afk |
| 01:44.42 | extor | Jesus Aitch Fucking christ, the documentation for lighty's vhosts is just pathetic |
| 01:45.52 | methods | extor: i wrote a nice script for lighty one time to auto setup things based on directory structure in /var/www/servers |
| 01:46.06 | stew | techrush: do you see the keyboard when you run "hcitool scan" ? |
| 01:46.19 | techrush | stew, no |
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| 01:47.08 | stew | techrush: is the keyboard on? maybe try "hciconfig down ; hciconfig up" and try again? |
| 01:47.30 | cTATUK | Does anyone know of an Iceweas-equivalent to /etc/firefox/firefoxrc ? |
| 01:47.43 | cTATUK | *Iceweasel |
| 01:48.02 | techrush | the keyboard is on and i tried restarting the service |
| 01:48.04 | techrush | no luck :/ |
| 01:48.10 | extor | methods did that script help you regain some of your sanity? |
| 01:48.42 | Unwise | busy, bye |
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| 01:48.54 | methods | extor: as in being insane from lighty or you just being a dick? |
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| 01:49.58 | extor | insane from trying to get vhosts working in lighty |
| 01:50.07 | cTATUK | ah i see /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc thanks |
| 01:50.24 | extor | you didn't know me when you wrote the script, did you? |
| 01:52.27 | stew | techrush: can you see any devices with hcitool scan? maybe you should reload the bloototh module? |
| 01:52.43 | stew | techrush: do you see the little green light flashing on the bottom of the KB when you turn it on? |
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| 01:55.06 | methods | extor: i havn't used these in a while so... http://pastie.caboo.se/118655 |
| 01:55.45 | techrush | stew, i see the green light but i do not see any other BT devices |
| 01:56.00 | techrush | how do i reload the bluetooth module ? |
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| 01:57.05 | extor | methods I was remarking about the vhosts HOWTO |
| 01:57.23 | methods | yea i just use conditionals to acheive the same affect |
| 01:57.48 | methods | those scripts get ran and read the directories and create dynamic hosts... |
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| 02:01.40 | Decepticon | how do i install deb files from the command line? |
| 02:02.44 | techrush | i usually use dpkg -i nameof.deb |
| 02:03.15 | Decepticon | do i need to be root or use sudo for that ? |
| 02:03.20 | techrush | yes |
| 02:03.42 | Decepticon | okay thank you |
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| 02:06.17 | stew | techrush: "modprobe -r bluetooth ; modprobe bluetooth" would reload the bluetooth module |
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| 02:07.05 | techrush | stew it says im unable to that: FATAL: Module bluetooth is in use. |
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| 02:08.00 | stew | techrush: you might need to /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop first |
| 02:08.13 | stew | or whatever that init script is called these days |
| 02:08.40 | techrush | i did that and still get the same error |
| 02:09.38 | stew | techrush: 'hcitool con' doesn't list the keyboard, does it? |
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| 02:09.55 | techrush | no it doesnt show any connections |
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| 02:14.53 | Decepticon | whats a 'disklabel' in gparted? |
| 02:16.17 | streuner | volume |
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| 02:22.02 | xacier | i have couple ebookz copyright questions, if i store couple ebookz on my debian, is it legal? like playboy, programming bookz etc |
| 02:22.30 | xacier | man, i am scared like chicken day by day, |
| 02:22.56 | xacier | i have couple java ebookz, is it safe to keep, would the fbi knock on me? |
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| 02:25.38 | bolt | xacier: if your "ebookz" are pirated then no, it's not legal |
| 02:25.46 | bolt | xacier: piracy rarely is |
| 02:26.21 | xacier | um, like a copy of java programming ebookz by MIT off irc? |
| 02:26.29 | xacier | not legal? |
| 02:26.40 | bolt | xacier: ... |
| 02:27.05 | xacier | oka, me gonna rm -rf em |
| 02:27.06 | Decepticon | does partitioning usually take a long time? |
| 02:27.13 | Decepticon | with gparted? |
| 02:27.20 | bolt | Decepticon: no |
| 02:27.30 | OminousZ | Well, it depends on your outlook |
| 02:27.32 | bolt | Decepticon: making the filesystems might |
| 02:27.48 | Decepticon | hmm i see |
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| 02:39.21 | xacier | yow, since there are so much ebookz on irc, why not crack down the sob so i won't be tempted to download ebookz |
| 02:39.34 | xacier | just a thought |
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| 02:52.59 | Mauna_Loa | hi all |
| 02:53.21 | cTATUK | hello |
| 02:53.32 | cTATUK | how're you? |
| 02:53.57 | Mauna_Loa | I' running debian lenny and I'm considering pinning from sid |
| 02:54.04 | Mauna_Loa | fine, thanks, and you? |
| 02:54.17 | cTATUK | fine |
| 02:54.29 | cTATUK | pinning? |
| 02:54.33 | Mauna_Loa | I've read this wiki: |
| 02:54.36 | Mauna_Loa | http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 02:55.18 | Mauna_Loa | but I would like to receive advice concerning one thing |
| 02:55.44 | cTATUK | which package(s) are you looking to pin? |
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| 02:56.20 | Mauna_Loa | alsa-base, cause alsa-base in lenny has bugs |
| 02:56.39 | Mauna_Loa | JoshuaRodman made a comment to the aboce-mentioned document |
| 02:56.46 | cTATUK | ah |
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| 02:57.08 | Mauna_Loa | so the question is: do you think the method presented by JoshuaRodman is better? saffer? |
| 02:57.14 | Decepticon | i just partitioned a 500gb hdd to ext2 and mounted it... i got 459gb total, out of which 436gb is available... where is all this space disappearing and how do i reclaim it |
| 02:57.41 | xoz | Mauna_Loa: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:58.04 | Mauna_Loa | This system came from etch and, in the future, I want it to upgrade to next testing without any problems |
| 02:58.52 | Mauna_Loa | xoz: thanks, but I think pinning would be more secure and simple than getting backports |
| 02:59.04 | xoz | Mauna_Loa: /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 03:00.18 | Mauna_Loa | in order for me to upgrade alsa, I need to get some packages, so I think it would be esay to use pinning, instead of simple sid bacporting |
| 03:00.52 | wols_ | Mauna_Loa: if their dependencies are sid only you will brak your system |
| 03:01.00 | wols_ | pinning is usually bad |
| 03:01.04 | dondelelcaro | using backport is much safer |
| 03:01.11 | dondelelcaro | (unless you know precisely what you are doing) |
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| 03:02.10 | Mauna_Loa | dondelelcaro: but I reported a bug, and the packages mantainers told me to use pinning |
| 03:02.15 | Mauna_Loa | see for yourselves: |
| 03:02.26 | Mauna_Loa | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451266 |
| 03:02.36 | Decepticon | how do i tell what processes are using a specific mounted device? |
| 03:02.48 | wols_ | Decepticon: lsof, fuser |
| 03:04.11 | Mauna_Loa | wols_ I the dependencies of alsa packages are sid I wiil break my system if I do the sid pinning? |
| 03:04.40 | Mauna_Loa | the package mantainers of alsa told me to do these: |
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| 03:04.49 | Mauna_Loa | apt-get install -t sid alsa-base alsa-utils libasound2 linux-sound-base |
| 03:06.20 | Mauna_Loa | I'm confused... I'm running testing, not stable. I wiil break my system if I pin from sid? |
| 03:06.49 | dondelelcaro | Mauna_Loa: uh... I don't know if Elimar is actually a maintainer of alsa; he's definetly not a developer though. |
| 03:07.02 | dondelelcaro | Mauna_Loa: but as far as breaking your system; you'd have to look at what is being installed. |
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| 03:07.22 | dondelelcaro | Mauna_Loa: if it's only those packages, and nothing else, you'll probably be ok. |
| 03:07.49 | dondelelcaro | (note that his instructions do not actually set up pinning; they'll end up in you upgrading to unstable) |
| 03:09.55 | Mauna_Loa | dondelelcaro: yes, I know that, and that's why I would not follow is instructions in his exact terms, I only considered doing apt-pinning |
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| 03:10.37 | dondelelcaro | Mauna_Loa: but yeah, if you use pinning properly, and are careful to only upgrade those things, you should be ok. |
| 03:11.18 | Mauna_Loa | dondelelcaro: just one more question: I need to upgrade these packages: alsa-base alsa-utils libasound2 linux-sound-base. Do you think I can upgrade all those packages with simple sid backporting? if so, should I upgrade one package at each time? |
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| 03:12.25 | dondelelcaro | Mauna_Loa: you can, actually; those packages can easily be built with a simple sid backport. |
| 03:12.43 | dondelelcaro | Mauna_Loa: since iirc, they're all built from the same alsa source package. Once you build them, you can just install them. |
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| 03:14.28 | Mauna_Loa | dondelelcaro: thank you for your helpa dn advise! |
| 03:14.40 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 03:19.24 | SerajewelKS | what's a good gnome alarm program? |
| 03:19.26 | enouf | in a situation like Mauna_Loas (pinning, not backporting), do i recall correctly, that a line for sid/unstable needs to be added to sources.list, but then apt-get update shouldn't be run? i think i recall seeing errors from someone recently and helpful message saying 'do (or run) apt-get update to fix this' |
| 03:20.00 | enouf | i use sid now and have for some time, so i haven't had to mess with pinning, nor backporting anymore, for a while now |
| 03:20.21 | enouf | (well, it's mostly a testing/lenny at this point, but...) |
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| 03:22.14 | enouf | SerajewelKS: $ apt-cache search gnome | egrep 'alarm|clock' maybe? |
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| 03:23.16 | edju | Laptop won't boot from cd, floppy or usb - have to boot from hard drive. I want to repartition the drive. Plan to create a small partition and dwnload initrd, kernel and parted into it, modify grub, boot into it and go from there. Will that work? |
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| 03:26.26 | hyphenex | I'm going to using debain for a server platform. What is the basic base install?? |
| 03:26.39 | Mauna_Loa | enouf: yes, a line for sid needs to be added to sources.list, and then you should run aptitude update |
| 03:27.47 | enouf | Mauna_Loa: hrm, but i would think that your cache would be unnecessarily updated to ALL of sid's packages -- i suppose the pinning is very important in that instance then .. priority low for sid |
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| 03:28.24 | enouf | Mauna_Loa: i used to know all of this stuff, but have forgotten the details lately, hehe ;-) |
| 03:28.28 | Mauna_Loa | dondelelcaro: perhaps the best way to do the apt-pinning thing is to use the more conservative approach explained by JoshuaRodman on http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning ? |
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| 03:29.21 | Mauna_Loa | enouf: yeah, you should give hih priority for lenny and low priority for sid! |
| 03:30.46 | enouf | Mauna_Loa: indeed, rings a bell .. happy tones to you and your alsa ;-) |
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| 03:31.35 | enouf | Mauna_Loa: i believe it was mentioned that backporting is a better approach for you, perhaps i misunderstand |
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| 03:32.52 | Mauna_Loa | enouf: read the last sentence from JoshuaRodman: Installing packages with apt-get install packagename/unstable and apt-get install -t unstable packagename will both still work, but unstable packages will ONLY be installed by these commands. |
| 03:33.04 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone help me with partitoning during debian install? :) |
| 03:33.45 | enouf | Mauna_Loa: right, kust two ways to run the same command |
| 03:33.54 | enouf | s/kust/just |
| 03:34.51 | enouf | Mauna_Loa: that stil requires setting up pinning, etc, whereas backports are build and install with dpkg -i |
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| 03:35.51 | xoz | Mauna_Loa: instead of wasting your time discussing here, why not proceed with any of the suggestions. |
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| 03:38.54 | Mauna_Loa | xog: I will proceed with the suggestions tomorrow, cause now is very late. |
| 03:39.18 | Mauna_Loa | DeZ_666: what do you want to know? |
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| 03:39.47 | DeZ_666 | i want to make sure im doing this properly |
| 03:40.05 | DeZ_666 | Can I PM you my current settings which have not been saved yet? |
| 03:41.04 | dondelelcaro | DeZ_666: best to just use a paste site |
| 03:41.20 | DeZ_666 | dondelelcaro: i cant..im in debian's setup.. |
| 03:42.09 | dondelelcaro | DeZ_666: well, then use #flood |
| 03:42.34 | DeZ_666 | you mean..you will take a look at it? |
| 03:43.00 | dondelelcaro | I and anyone else, yes. |
| 03:43.32 | Mauna_Loa | DeZ_666: yes, just use #flood |
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| 03:44.05 | nichos | can anyone tell me where the config file is for grdesktop? No mention of it in the documentation |
| 03:44.45 | DeZ_666 | thats what it shows in debian's setup currently |
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| 03:47.28 | dondelelcaro | DeZ_666: ok; that looks fine, I guess. |
| 03:47.37 | root___________ | hi, how do I start x? |
| 03:47.40 | DeZ_666 | Alright im gonna go for it |
| 03:47.43 | dondelelcaro | root___________: startx |
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| 03:48.12 | dondelelcaro | DeZ_666: you may not actually need the swap partition if the fedora LVM has one, but it won't hurt. (You can use the same swap with fedora if you want) |
| 03:48.13 | root___________ | bash: startx: command not found |
| 03:48.20 | root___________ | :-( |
| 03:48.36 | Szeraax | root___________: do you have 'kde' or 'gnome' installed? |
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| 03:48.38 | DeZ_666 | dondelelcaro: haha now you tell me XD but i didnt see a swap in fedora's partitions? |
| 03:48.44 | dalias | why isn't root*!*@* g-lined? |
| 03:48.48 | dondelelcaro | DeZ_666: it'd be on the LVM. |
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| 03:48.52 | DeZ_666 | i am clueless about LVM :( |
| 03:49.00 | DeZ_666 | i have no idea how it works |
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| 03:49.17 | root___________ | [root@localhost ~]# kde |
| 03:49.18 | root___________ | -bash: kde: command not found |
| 03:49.20 | dondelelcaro | root___________: aptitude install xserver-xorg gnome; or similar. |
| 03:49.20 | root___________ | [root@localhost ~]# gnome |
| 03:49.22 | root___________ | -bash: gnome: command not found |
| 03:49.24 | root___________ | [root@localhost ~]# |
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| 03:50.13 | DeZ_666 | Ok its installing which i believe is good :) |
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| 03:50.27 | DeZ_666 | Im using Debian netinst x86-64 4.01 |
| 03:50.59 | SleepySocks | hey everyone, I notice that there are quite a few debian install cds. should I just start with the DebianLive cd |
| 03:51.09 | SleepySocks | or are its install options limited |
| 03:51.26 | Szeraax | SleepySocks: depends on what you want |
| 03:51.27 | SleepySocks | I need to control where the grub boot record is put |
| 03:51.35 | SleepySocks | hey szeraaz |
| 03:51.36 | Szeraax | SleepySocks: all of them will allow you to do that |
| 03:51.45 | Szeraax | seen me before? |
| 03:51.54 | Szeraax | (/we met?) |
| 03:52.08 | SleepySocks | ok, so I'll just get the debian live cd for my first foray from ubuntu to debian |
| 03:52.18 | cTATUK | any idea why iceweasel freezes so frequently when leaving flash video pages? |
| 03:52.23 | Szeraax | lol, that's a good way to go. |
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| 03:54.46 | dondelelcaro | cTATUK: probably the non-free flash plugin is total garbage? |
| 03:55.09 | cTATUK | i'm not using a non-free plugin.. |
| 03:56.01 | cTATUK | actually i might be but it doesn't appear to be a debian package |
| 03:56.23 | cTATUK | File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 |
| 03:56.55 | cTATUK | how can i uninstall this plugin? |
| 03:58.33 | cTATUK | i think iceweasel may have been packaged with the plugin |
| 03:58.34 | cTATUK | not sure |
| 03:58.41 | Szeraax | i doubt it |
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| 03:59.12 | Szeraax | i didn't get IW with one... |
| 03:59.12 | cTATUK | what's IW? |
| 03:59.17 | Szeraax | iceweasel |
| 03:59.24 | cTATUK | ah |
| 03:59.34 | Szeraax | lazy me... |
| 03:59.37 | cTATUK | well i see flashplugin-nonfree on aptitude search |
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| 03:59.41 | cTATUK | but it's not installed |
| 03:59.52 | cTATUK | none of the results of `aptitude search flash` are installed |
| 04:00.04 | cTATUK | yet i still _do_ have a flash plugin |
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| 04:00.37 | cTATUK | i think i used the iceweasel tab that says 'new plugin available' and iceweasel automatically installed it instead of debian as a package ... |
| 04:00.41 | Szeraax | maybe it came from iceweasel... |
| 04:00.59 | Szeraax | lemme go looking... |
| 04:01.05 | cTATUK | so i'm wondering if i grab a debian flash package whether it will replace it |
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| 04:03.40 | Szeraax | question |
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| 04:04.11 | cTATUK | yeah? |
| 04:04.33 | Szeraax | what happens if you go to 'about: plugins' (with no space, pidgen wants to do an emoticon if it isn't there...) |
| 04:04.39 | Szeraax | as the URI |
| 04:04.42 | plediii | why does apt-cache search libjavaplugin |grep -v ia32 produce no results? Where do I get the plugin for iceweasel? |
| 04:05.23 | cTATUK | about: plugins with a space will error |
| 04:05.37 | cTATUK | The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded. |
| 04:05.48 | Szeraax | yeah, no space |
| 04:06.00 | cTATUK | okay so what are you asking? |
| 04:06.08 | Szeraax | if i dont have a space you get about:plugins |
| 04:06.18 | Szeraax | so i had to put in a space to prevent that |
| 04:06.32 | cTATUK | plediii: aptitude search java|grep plugin |
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| 04:08.05 | Szeraax | cTATUK: did you get a page from typing that? |
| 04:08.09 | wols_ | plediii: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 04:08.32 | cTATUK | Szeraax: yes i get a page from about:plugins |
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| 04:09.06 | plediii | cTATUK: I'm trying to understand those results. |
| 04:09.22 | plediii | wols_: that's the file I'm looking for, but there is no plugin under my jre/. |
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| 04:09.54 | wols_ | plediii: dpkg -l|grep java6 |
| 04:09.59 | plediii | I meant above apt-file search libjavaplugin |grep -v ia32 produces no results, not apt-cache. |
| 04:09.59 | wols_ | what does this say? pastebin |
| 04:10.04 | Szeraax | cTATUK: anything helpful there? i was reading some stuff and it looks like, if the plugin came wholey from iceweasel, then you remove it by deleting it. |
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| 04:10.51 | wols_ | plediii: note how there is no amd64 java plugin |
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| 04:11.14 | plediii | I should have said I'm running amd64 |
| 04:11.21 | plediii | I meant to on the first line :) |
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| 04:12.08 | plediii | Thank you. |
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| 04:13.22 | jason___ | hey guys quick question, while in gnome, whats a keyboard shortcut to execute a program |
| 04:13.32 | jason___ | like i want to quickly open a new console |
| 04:13.36 | Szeraax | jason___: windows r? |
| 04:13.40 | Szeraax | ohhh |
| 04:13.46 | Szeraax | go to the control center thigny |
| 04:13.51 | Szeraax | i think... |
| 04:13.56 | jason___ | and then ? |
| 04:14.00 | Szeraax | and choose application shortcuts |
| 04:14.06 | Szeraax | under something... |
| 04:14.12 | jason___ | is there no universal one ? |
| 04:14.19 | jason___ | i remember something with F2 |
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| 04:14.25 | Szeraax | so, for me, i run Konsole with strl shift e... |
| 04:14.29 | jason___ | oh alt f2 lol |
| 04:14.33 | Szeraax | ah |
| 04:14.38 | Szeraax | but it can be changed... |
| 04:14.54 | Szeraax | i bet... |
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| 04:15.12 | Szeraax | (I use KDE, so take any advice for what it's worth...) |
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| 04:16.29 | galleon | nautilus-open-terminal is a nice lil plugin too |
| 04:16.50 | Szeraax | well, see yalls later |
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| 04:17.38 | jason____ | oh my god this wireless keeps messing up |
| 04:17.48 | jason____ | so sorry, after clicking alt f2 what do i need to type to get a console ? |
| 04:18.03 | Mauna_Loa | by ppl |
| 04:18.14 | jason___ | alt f2 is fine |
| 04:18.14 | jason___ | but now what do i need to run so that it opens the terminal |
| 04:18.14 | jason___ | xterm or what? |
| 04:18.14 | jason___ | *type |
| 04:18.28 | jason____ | ? |
| 04:18.39 | galleon | gnome-terminal |
| 04:18.42 | galleon | would work |
| 04:18.54 | jason____ | excellent |
| 04:18.55 | jason____ | thnx |
| 04:18.57 | jason____ | :P |
| 04:19.00 | galleon | :) |
| 04:19.29 | jason____ | ok in order to check the status of my wlan |
| 04:19.37 | jason____ | its a stupid usb adapter |
| 04:19.39 | wols_ | !tell jason____ about enter |
| 04:19.46 | jason____ | is there any way to continuously probe dmesg ? |
| 04:19.55 | wols_ | tail -f dmesg |
| 04:20.05 | wols_ | erm, tail -f /var/log/kern.log rather |
| 04:20.13 | jason____ | ok :P |
| 04:20.17 | jason____ | first one wudnt work |
| 04:20.27 | wols_ | !enter |
| 04:20.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 04:21.14 | jason____ | are there any other interesting logs? |
| 04:21.21 | jason____ | which i could tail ? |
| 04:21.29 | dalias | ---? |
| 04:21.33 | dalias | wow that's long |
| 04:21.50 | dalias | i wonder if i'd get flamed if i started using unicode punctuation on irc |
| 04:21.59 | wols_ | jason____: not for your problem |
| 04:22.40 | wols_ | jason____: what does dmesg say about your wlan stick? |
| 04:22.43 | jason____ | yes, but in general im quite fond of having *interesting* logs scroll down the screen, for example the status of the memory or something similar, can you think of a log ? |
| 04:22.56 | jason____ | at the moment it says no IPv6 routers present |
| 04:23.02 | wols_ | no I cannot. stick with your current problem |
| 04:23.19 | wols_ | do you have a interface for your wlan now? |
| 04:23.22 | jason____ | it keeps disconnecting, but before i was using it for 2-3 hours non stop, works like a charm |
| 04:23.30 | jason____ | yes yes everything works, i was meant to tell you earlier |
| 04:24.02 | jason____ | but you were gone, basically now it keeps disconnecting because the laptop is on my lap, and i suspect the usb doesnt make good contact so the slightest move disconnects it |
| 04:24.18 | jason____ | so then i have to plug it out and back in and reactivate it |
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| 04:24.52 | jason____ | im reactivating using network settings, but i suspect a ifconfig wlan0 down followed by a wlan0 up would do the job as well or am i wrong ? |
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| 04:26.25 | jason____ | wols_: ? |
| 04:26.36 | wols_ | wrong. if configured correct a ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 would |
| 04:26.45 | wols_ | or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 04:28.43 | jason____ | ok thnx, |
| 04:28.51 | jason____ | am i back alive? |
| 04:29.29 | jason____ | ok networking restart works, could you just explain me why ifdown up wudnt work? |
| 04:29.36 | jason____ | does that just bring the interface down and up ? |
| 04:29.59 | wols_ | ifcdown up is gibberish |
| 04:30.17 | jason____ | in what sense ? |
| 04:30.34 | jason____ | for example in the network settings i can activate deactivate, wudnt ifup down do that? |
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| 04:33.16 | roe | are they any performance tweaks that will help cups print faster? |
| 04:33.37 | jason____ | anyways im going to bed, thanx again for your help wols_ |
| 04:33.37 | wols_ | yes. buy a fastre printer |
| 04:33.54 | wols_ | jason____: man ifup |
| 04:34.02 | wols_ | note what parameters it takes, same for ifdown |
| 04:34.02 | roe | printing to the printer using the postscript driver in windows is *much* faster |
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| 04:34.57 | jason____ | sorry, one last question, im such an amateur, how do i exit irssi again, i keep forgetting |
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| 04:35.14 | Rusty1 | jason____: , wols_ is a reading of man ifconfig also worth the effort ? |
| 04:35.26 | jason____ | im reading both anyways |
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| 04:36.02 | maher | how do i write a shell script to talk to a running mozilla instance? |
| 04:36.24 | wols_ | Rusty1: reading manpages is always worth the effort |
| 04:36.38 | wols_ | maher: talk in what way? |
| 04:37.04 | maher | wols_: I want to gran the current webage and grep it |
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| 04:37.11 | maher | wols_: I want to grab the current webage and grep it |
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| 04:37.44 | DeZ_666 | hey..can anyone PM me their grub bootloader section for debian so i can get an idea of what it looks like? |
| 04:37.48 | wols_ | maher: how would ffox give you the current page? |
| 04:37.55 | DeZ_666 | mines not booting correctly.. |
| 04:38.09 | wols_ | !tell DeZ_666 about errors |
| 04:38.22 | DeZ_666 | Error 17 :) |
| 04:38.30 | maher | wols_: for exampel there is a mozrepl plugin that lets you telnet to firefox and gives you a shell in there |
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| 04:38.55 | DeZ_666 | wols_: Grub says it cant mount the partition |
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| 04:39.15 | jason___ | just came back to say, ifup ifdown works just as fine |
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| 04:39.34 | jason___ | but i guess /etc/init.d/networking restart is better |
| 04:39.36 | maher | wols_: i was hoping there was an easier way... |
| 04:39.51 | wols_ | DeZ_666: what is it? grub error 17 or can't mount what partition? |
| 04:40.14 | DarkBahamut | hi everyone |
| 04:40.15 | DarkBahamut | hi wols |
| 04:40.25 | DeZ_666 | wols_: im trying to boot my debian installation in grub |
| 04:40.40 | DeZ_666 | and i manually configured grub, and the commands im using dont work |
| 04:40.52 | wols_ | DeZ_666: error 17 means grub is not properly installed. nothing to do with menu.lst usually |
| 04:41.06 | DeZ_666 | when i try booting it says 'Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition' |
| 04:41.12 | jason___ | ye i think u havent configure grub properly |
| 04:41.20 | DarkBahamut | wols: im able to get a desktop and a black screen at random |
| 04:41.23 | DeZ_666 | wols_: it boots windows XP and fedora fine :) |
| 04:42.25 | DarkBahamut | wols_: |
| 04:42.28 | DarkBahamut | * |
| 04:43.11 | wols_ | DarkBahamut: what about noapic and acpi=off |
| 04:43.22 | DarkBahamut | well |
| 04:43.39 | wols_ | DeZ_666: do you get grub's menu when booting? |
| 04:43.42 | DeZ_666 | Yep |
| 04:43.47 | DarkBahamut | last night i forgot how to add them to the boot and i didnt write it down |
| 04:43.55 | DarkBahamut | yea i get a grub menu |
| 04:43.55 | DeZ_666 | with a fedora background and everything ;) |
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| 04:43.58 | wols_ | ok, pastebin your menu.lst and the output of fidisk -l |
| 04:44.12 | wols_ | *fdisk -l |
| 04:44.14 | DeZ_666 | let me boot to fedora to do all that.. |
| 04:45.40 | jason___ | Quick question, oddly after my pc suspends to screensaver, and i had a iceweasel instance running, and i get back into the system i cant open iceweasel because it says an instance is already running. using top i cant see anything running though, my question is, is there any other task manager to do this ? |
| 04:45.58 | DeZ_666 | ps aux? |
| 04:46.00 | DeZ_666 | :D |
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| 04:47.09 | jason___ | but thats the same as top no ? |
| 04:47.15 | maher | jason___: it could have a stale lock file in .firefox or where ever it keeps it |
| 04:47.15 | dasunt | I'm setting up a webserver/firewall/fileserver for debian. |
| 04:47.46 | jason___ | maher: let me check |
| 04:47.46 | dasunt | The only thing the webserver is going to be used for is for a (boring) wiki for myself and for a streaming radio station so I can listen to my mp3s at work. |
| 04:48.02 | dasunt | I don't entirely trust the security of either the wiki code or the streaming radio station control script. |
| 04:48.10 | DarkBahamut | wols_: can you explain to me how to add acpi=off and naopic to the boot once more please? i tried last night and it said not a proper command or something like that |
| 04:48.34 | dasunt | Assuming that either is weak, under debian/apache, what would an insecure script be able to do? |
| 04:48.35 | wols_ | on the grub menu for your kernel you want to boot press e |
| 04:48.47 | dasunt | Assume I use a mount to bind the mp3 directory so it is only read-only. |
| 04:48.58 | wols_ | when it comes to the vmlinuz line, append "acpi=off noapic" there at the end |
| 04:49.05 | maher | dasunt: if you are the only person using it you could just run it on ssl with a username/password |
| 04:49.13 | heatman | is there an application that i can dl to modify grub, logon and various app splash screen? |
| 04:49.14 | dasunt | maher: Very true. |
| 04:49.35 | jason___ | wow my battery is empty... this means i have about 30 mins on this lappie hahahha |
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| 04:49.45 | jason___ | anyways im out thnx everyone |
| 04:49.53 | dasunt | maher: I could set it up so that the entire apache installation is ssl and requires username/password. |
| 04:49.56 | dasunt | I like that idae. |
| 04:49.58 | DarkBahamut | ok will try |
| 04:49.58 | dasunt | Er, idea. |
| 04:49.58 | jason___ | 30 mins total battery time is ridiculous lol .... |
| 04:50.00 | DarkBahamut | brb |
| 04:50.04 | dasunt | maher: Thanks. |
| 04:52.06 | dasunt | maher: I like that idea better than what I was going to do. ;) |
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| 04:53.26 | maher | dasunt: i do this for certain things - i think I just use .htaccess or something... |
| 04:53.33 | mrec | hi, how can I figure out the current runlevel? |
| 04:53.41 | maher | mrec: trpye runlevel |
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| 04:53.59 | DeZ_666 | wols_: http://www.rafb.net/p/JJP2oR77.html |
| 04:54.12 | mrec | maher: that's it thanks |
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| 04:55.46 | DeZ_666 | wols_: yt? |
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| 04:58.27 | schmick | does anyone know about linux-based cell phones? I've googled around and found a little info, but I'm trying to figure out what is available now with what cell-providers |
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| 04:59.14 | darkbahamut | back :D |
| 04:59.24 | darkbahamut | woa my name is blank o.O |
| 04:59.38 | darkbahamut | or is it just me? |
| 04:59.42 | DeZ_666 | just you.. |
| 04:59.52 | darkbahamut | well its not me its irssi lol |
| 05:00.23 | darkbahamut | hey wols_ o.O? |
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| 05:01.09 | DeZ_666 | wols_ needs to come back :( |
| 05:01.34 | darkbahamut | if only this had a call button or buzz |
| 05:02.00 | darkbahamut | ... |
| 05:02.24 | darkbahamut | wols_:??? |
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| 05:03.32 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: just ask your question. If someone knows, they'll answer. |
| 05:03.46 | darkbahamut | well it wasent a question rly |
| 05:03.57 | maher | do i get some sort of uberdork award for telneting into my browser? |
| 05:03.58 | darkbahamut | wow your name is blank also |
| 05:04.16 | dondelelcaro | uh... I have a realname listed |
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| 05:04.32 | dondelelcaro | maher: into your browser? or do you mean into your webserver? |
| 05:04.48 | maher | dondelelcaro: MozRepl |
| 05:05.27 | darkbahamut | umm whats a good irc program for debian desktop? |
| 05:06.06 | dondelelcaro | irssi, possibly xchat if you can't handle the console |
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| 05:06.30 | darkbahamut | well i see my name and one other name as blank-invisible |
| 05:06.35 | dalias | irss is the best irc program anywhere, but some people don't like it because it's non-gui |
| 05:06.41 | darkbahamut | white space |
| 05:06.49 | darkbahamut | o |
| 05:06.51 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: see your name where? |
| 05:06.55 | darkbahamut | i think irssi is cool |
| 05:07.05 | darkbahamut | by i type |
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| 05:07.07 | darkbahamut | <<<<<< |
| 05:07.12 | darkbahamut | b4* |
| 05:07.24 | dondelelcaro | uh... that's a nick |
| 05:07.25 | dalias | weechat is also nice |
| 05:07.49 | dondelelcaro | and the channel is usually what is on the input line, but you can change it if you want |
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| 05:08.50 | gol | if fsck cant find the partition and wont repair my drive what is the next step? |
| 05:09.28 | dondelelcaro | gol: fsck doesn't look for partitions; it just repairs filesystems on partitions. What's the problem, and the exact error message you are getting? |
| 05:10.12 | gol | e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb |
| 05:10.12 | dondelelcaro | gol: uh... you probably actually want /dev/sdb1 or similar. |
| 05:10.12 | maher | gol: try cat /proc/partitions and fdisk -l /dev/sdb and see if anything sees any partitions |
| 05:10.12 | gol | and there isn't a /dev/sdb1 , lol and the drive is clicking |
| 05:10.49 | maher | gol: how badly do you want info off this drive? |
| 05:10.58 | dondelelcaro | gol: well, if the drive is clicking and it can't read the partition table, then the drive is probably toast. |
| 05:11.15 | Zippy2 | like i said t oeveryone at work |
| 05:11.21 | Zippy2 | "it's a good thing you back up" |
| 05:11.26 | gol | maher: fairly bad |
| 05:11.28 | Zippy2 | said=say |
| 05:11.33 | gol | maher: not $100 bad though |
| 05:11.43 | maher | gol: i would just forget it then |
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| 05:11.53 | gol | maher: ok thx |
| 05:12.06 | DeZ_666 | Can someone help me boot to debian in GRUB? :( |
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| 05:12.59 | Quetzalcoatl | Does anyone have experience with xbindkeys? |
| 05:13.24 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: best to just ask your question |
| 05:14.25 | Quetzalcoatl | How do I map a keypress as Alt+Left_Arrow in .xbindkeysrc? |
| 05:14.29 | unix_infidel | anyone know of away of listing all remote access daemons running? |
| 05:15.00 | darkbahamut | oo i got a question |
| 05:15.19 | darkbahamut | how do i get my wireless working :D |
| 05:15.57 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: xbindkeys associates actions with keypresses; it doesn't remap keys. |
| 05:16.21 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: what do you want meta1+left arrow to do? |
| 05:16.27 | Quetzalcoatl | dondelelcaro: yes, but how do I tell it to associate the alt+left_arrow keypress with a certain key? |
| 05:16.47 | maher | unix_infidel: do you mean on a local machine or on a remote machien you don't have shell access to? |
| 05:16.56 | Zippy2 | Quetzalcoatl: do you have a thinkpad |
| 05:17.00 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: you mean with a certain action? |
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| 05:17.28 | Quetzalcoatl | Zippy2: no |
| 05:17.41 | Quetzalcoatl | dondelelcaro: I want a certain key to do "alt+left_arrow" |
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| 05:18.45 | DarkBahamut | testing... 123... o.O |
| 05:18.53 | DarkBahamut | still blank name |
| 05:19.08 | DarkBahamut | nick* |
| 05:19.47 | Matrix | cool |
| 05:20.04 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: so use xmodmap to map that key appropriately |
| 05:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: you'll want to make that key be a modifier as well as send that keysym |
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| 05:20.53 | Quetzalcoatl | dondelelcaro: Can't I do this in .xbindkeysrc? |
| 05:20.53 | maher | firefox is so complex - how does it ever work? |
| 05:20.59 | Quetzalcoatl | maher: poorly |
| 05:21.06 | DarkBahamut | firefox complex o.O |
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| 05:21.12 | DarkBahamut | firefox is easy? |
| 05:21.14 | maher | Quetzalcoatl: :) - but it often displays webpages for me! |
| 05:21.16 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: xbindkeys is for associating keys with commands, not for remapping keys. |
| 05:21.22 | Quetzalcoatl | maher: slowly |
| 05:21.36 | Quetzalcoatl | dondelelcaro: It's that or find the Firefox - Page Back command |
| 05:21.39 | Quetzalcoatl | And that's just as difficult |
| 05:21.50 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: no, it's not. |
| 05:22.00 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: install the keyconfig extension, and change it. |
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| 05:23.05 | Quetzalcoatl | I want this to be system-independent. |
| 05:23.12 | Quetzalcoatl | I don't want to have to install an extension. |
| 05:23.13 | wad | Hi, folks. I'd like to add a forum to my website (or "bulliten board", or whatever people call it). Server runs debian. What do you guys recommend? |
| 05:23.17 | dondelelcaro | uh... it's always going to be system depenendent. |
| 05:23.34 | gol | maher: ok similar drive issue but this time the drive does not click and it does show /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:23.39 | Quetzalcoatl | wad: phpbb |
| 05:23.45 | wad | Quetzalcoatl, thanks! |
| 05:23.58 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: and if you don't want to install an extension, then modify the xul directly. |
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| 05:24.16 | maher | so i've telnetted into my browser but i still can't work out how to get the webpage... |
| 05:24.19 | DarkBahamut | heya wols_ welcome back |
| 05:24.32 | Quetzalcoatl | dondelelcaro: there really isn't an easier way to say metakey232, do F5! ? :( |
| 05:24.42 | Quetzalcoatl | maher: GET |
| 05:24.51 | maher | gol: fsck doesn't work? |
| 05:24.54 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: the method is to use xmodmap |
| 05:25.06 | gol | maher: nope and it wont mount |
| 05:25.19 | maher | Quetzalcoatl: ?? in a repl shell? |
| 05:25.48 | Quetzalcoatl | maher: That's what you tell the HTTP server so that it sends you the page. GET |
| 05:26.03 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: in this case, keycode 232 = F8; or similar |
| 05:26.15 | dondelelcaro | Quetzalcoatl: man xmodmap; for details. |
| 05:26.21 | DarkBahamut | wols_: i did append acpi=off naopic and it seems to work better now |
| 05:26.32 | DarkBahamut | it starts up alot faster |
| 05:26.40 | DarkBahamut | and no black screen first try |
| 05:27.15 | maher | Quetzalcoatl: i'm in firefox not in the web server |
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| 05:32.34 | Quetzalcoatl | dondelelcaro: figured it out, needed to use xvkbd |
| 05:32.54 | gol | want tool tells you the fs type? |
| 05:33.00 | gol | of a partition |
| 05:33.14 | Zippy2 | fdisk |
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| 05:33.23 | Zippy2 | fdisk -l as root |
| 05:33.38 | gol | that just says Linux |
| 05:33.40 | DarkBahamut | wols_: you there? |
| 05:33.45 | gol | not ext2/ext3/etc |
| 05:34.14 | gol | Zippy2: know what I mean? |
| 05:36.52 | Zippy2 | um |
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| 05:37.06 | Zippy2 | just try mounting it i guess |
| 05:37.19 | gol | it wont |
| 05:37.35 | rrbiz | is there a way to rec straight to ogg ? |
| 05:37.36 | Zippy2 | strings the device |
| 05:37.45 | Zippy2 | rrbiz: pipe? |
| 05:38.20 | rrbiz | huh pipe ? |
| 05:38.51 | klys | libsox-fmt-ogg |
| 05:39.02 | Zippy2 | |=pipe |
| 05:39.52 | rrbiz | i know i can convert raw formats wav and such to ogg, but wondering if there's a direct way instead |
| 05:41.06 | Guerin | rec supports ogg |
| 05:41.16 | Guerin | if you had read the doc you'd know this |
| 05:42.38 | Zippy2 | sigh |
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| 05:43.25 | rrbiz | Guerin: ok cool i'll check that out |
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| 05:48.49 | CaT[tm] | I think... I think trying to run a seamonkey on etch/64bit is going to annoy. |
| 05:49.37 | wols | why? |
| 05:49.48 | wols | DarkBahamut: sorta |
| 05:50.17 | CaT[tm] | trying to get the various plugins going. |
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| 05:53.09 | vovo | is there a way to search and replace texts in all files in directory and sub-directories? |
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| 05:58.18 | larsbars | hi. I don't know if this is debian specific or not, but I'm running unstable and recently (one month?) when I tell gnome-power-manager to suspend I get the error message "Action forbidden; policy timeout is not valid...." There's a bug report filed against this, and apparently pam is at fault, but there is no fix available. Does anybody know a workaround for this? |
| 05:59.10 | factor | anyone know a good repository for openqrm |
| 05:59.15 | factor | for etc. |
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| 05:59.22 | factor | etch I mean |
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| 06:04.45 | DarkBahamut | afk for a bit brb |
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| 06:16.40 | heatman | I get this error: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable). Im used to ubuntu which i can use the following command: killall dpkg. Is thre a similar command that I can use to terminate apt? |
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| 06:19.00 | Zippy2 | omg grey on black! yes! i cant imagine how people can use black on white terminals |
| 06:19.09 | Zippy2 | heatman: ps xauw|grep apt |
| 06:19.12 | Zippy2 | or dpkg |
| 06:19.18 | wols | heatman: yes. the same command. however it won't help you. not even in ubuntu |
| 06:19.21 | Zippy2 | ok afk |
| 06:19.29 | wols | since dpkg never locks apt lists. not even in ubuntu |
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| 06:22.29 | heatman | Zippy2: root 3384 0.0 0.3 4888 1780 tty1 T Nov15 0:00 apt-get update |
| 06:22.36 | Zippy2 | thats it |
| 06:22.46 | heatman | Zippy2: how i kill? |
| 06:22.52 | Zippy2 | killall apt-get |
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| 06:23.35 | heatman | Zippy2: its does nothing |
| 06:23.47 | Zippy2 | are you root? try killall -9 apt-get if you are |
| 06:23.50 | dasunt | I have an onboard 3c905b and a pci 3c905c |
| 06:23.53 | dasunt | Just installed debian etch. |
| 06:23.58 | dasunt | 3c905b shows up as eth1 |
| 06:24.03 | dasunt | dmesg shows no other cards. |
| 06:24.04 | dasunt | Why? |
| 06:24.11 | Zippy2 | dasunt: hal sucks. thats why. |
| 06:24.27 | dasunt | Is it the kernel image I'm using? |
| 06:24.38 | dasunt | Maybe both are being loaded in the initrd bootloader. |
| 06:24.38 | heatman | Zippy2: TY... was the 9 that i was missing! couldnt remember! |
| 06:24.45 | dasunt | If so, how do I remove that? |
| 06:25.05 | Zippy2 | replace eth1 with eth0 in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 06:25.09 | Zippy2 | and reboot |
| 06:25.16 | dasunt | Okay, brb. |
| 06:25.20 | Zippy2 | make sure it has the right |
| 06:25.21 | Zippy2 | oh well |
| 06:25.48 | CaT[tm] | AH-HAHAHAHAHA! It took over half a gig of downloads but I got nspluginwrapper going under etch. woo! |
| 06:26.03 | CaT[tm] | ahm :) |
| 06:26.11 | Zippy2 | CaT[tm]: hahah! i dont have to download half a gig cause i own linux-friendly hardware |
| 06:26.25 | CaT[tm] | zippy: intel core 2 duo isn't linux friendly? |
| 06:26.31 | Zippy2 | it is |
| 06:26.35 | Zippy2 | thats why im using |
| 06:26.37 | wols | CaT[tm]: it is |
| 06:26.38 | Zippy2 | what im using |
| 06:26.50 | CaT[tm] | zippy: right. so I'm rather confused by your statement :) |
| 06:27.09 | Zippy2 | CaT[tm]: your processor isnt using ndiswrapper, your wireless nic probably is |
| 06:27.20 | CaT[tm] | it's not ndiswrapper :) |
| 06:27.25 | CaT[tm] | read what I said again :) |
| 06:27.27 | Zippy2 | oh nsplugin |
| 06:27.29 | Zippy2 | you suck |
| 06:27.41 | Zippy2 | CaT[tm]: 32bit compatibility? |
| 06:27.44 | CaT[tm] | yup |
| 06:28.01 | Zippy2 | CaT[tm]: i did that in 5 minutes with debootstrap |
| 06:28.08 | CaT[tm] | chroot? |
| 06:28.13 | Zippy2 | yep |
| 06:28.18 | CaT[tm] | no chroot here :) |
| 06:28.31 | Zippy2 | chroot is easy and fast |
| 06:28.48 | CaT[tm] | so was this (when you have a 10meg link :) |
| 06:28.56 | Zippy2 | im 15 megabit |
| 06:29.40 | CaT[tm] | chroot would have more maintenance issues I'd say |
| 06:29.46 | Zippy2 | nope |
| 06:29.50 | CaT[tm] | and you're limited to a chunk of your full filesystem |
| 06:29.55 | CaT[tm] | no? |
| 06:29.57 | Zippy2 | no im not |
| 06:30.00 | CaT[tm] | ah? |
| 06:30.04 | CaT[tm] | do tell :) |
| 06:30.06 | Zippy2 | im not limited to a chunk. how would that be? |
| 06:30.18 | CaT[tm] | well is the whole browser run in a 32bit chroot? |
| 06:30.25 | Zippy2 | i havent had any maintenance issues or filesystem problems |
| 06:30.34 | Zippy2 | no. i run wine in 32bit. i run web browser in 64 |
| 06:31.28 | CaT[tm] | erm. |
| 06:31.40 | CaT[tm] | crap |
| 06:31.49 | CaT[tm] | I'd ask how you're setup but I'm running out of time |
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| 06:31.51 | CaT[tm] | foo |
| 06:31.53 | Zippy2 | wait |
| 06:32.27 | Zippy2 | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 06:32.30 | CaT[tm] | I run seamonkey binaries off of mozilla.org |
| 06:32.44 | Zippy2 | whatever floats your bloat |
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| 06:33.05 | CaT[tm] | I just never could get used to firefox :) |
| 06:33.14 | Zippy2 | whats better about seamonkey? |
| 06:33.19 | Zippy2 | besides the name |
| 06:33.23 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 06:33.27 | CaT[tm] | userinterface I like |
| 06:33.32 | epsilon | seamonkey is a suite |
| 06:33.40 | CaT[tm] | and I don't seem to have the memory usage problems other people whinge about with ff |
| 06:33.51 | epsilon | but same gecko engine |
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| 06:36.37 | CaT[tm] | right. time to snot off home. thanks for the url zippy. I'll give it a look and ponder the differences. |
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| 06:39.56 | mandrigal | good evening |
| 06:41.43 | DeZ_666 | can anyone help me with booting debian? |
| 06:43.27 | DeZ_666 | Anyone? My menu.lst from grub is here and fdisk -l : http://www.rafb.net/p/JJP2oR77.html |
| 06:45.08 | wols | DeZ_666: which one is debian? |
| 06:45.20 | DeZ_666 | Where #---Server 2k3 is |
| 06:45.22 | wols | where is your debian kernel |
| 06:45.48 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.00 | wols | also, debian kernels have initrd |
| 06:46.01 | DeZ_666 | Ahaha i forget XD |
| 06:46.15 | DeZ_666 | wols: the debian installer didnt say to use initrd |
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| 06:46.35 | wols | it did |
| 06:46.42 | DeZ_666 | :/ lies |
| 06:46.45 | wols | debian kernels use initrd |
| 06:46.48 | wols | all of them |
| 06:46.50 | DeZ_666 | Whats the initrd line? |
| 06:47.08 | wols | also use your proper vomlinuz from /boot/ |
| 06:47.23 | DeZ_666 | Wha? |
| 06:47.37 | wols | *vmlinuz |
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| 06:47.41 | wols | what debian version to you use? |
| 06:47.46 | DeZ_666 | It said to use /vmlinuz.. |
| 06:47.55 | DeZ_666 | i installed it with a 4.01 netinst cd |
| 06:48.12 | DeZ_666 | err |
| 06:48.16 | DeZ_666 | 4.0r1 :) sorry |
| 06:48.23 | DarkBahamut | back |
| 06:48.25 | DarkBahamut | hi everyone |
| 06:48.28 | DeZ_666 | Hi. |
| 06:48.40 | wols | debian itself doesn't use that ever even if it puts it there |
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| 06:48.46 | wols | it uses /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 for example |
| 06:49.27 | DeZ_666 | Whats a wildcard in linux XD |
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| 06:49.35 | DeZ_666 | im using `find' in grub.. |
| 06:49.40 | DarkBahamut | wols: i did the acpi=off naopic and it seems to work alot better |
| 06:49.50 | wols | DarkBahamut: seen it already |
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| 06:50.04 | DarkBahamut | just checking because you were afk |
| 06:50.10 | DarkBahamut | o.o |
| 06:50.12 | wols | acpi problems are tricky to solve. without acpi you don't have powersaving, which is bad on a lappie |
| 06:50.26 | DarkBahamut | ouch |
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| 06:50.28 | DeZ_666 | wols: im still lost, what do the grub commands need to be? :( |
| 06:53.16 | DeZ_666 | wols: i did `find /vmlinuz' and it said it was on (hd0,3) |
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| 06:53.30 | wad | I'm running apache under debian. I've got a .org domain name, and a .com domain name. I'd like them both to go to the .org website. I understand that a URL rewrite rule is the optimal solution. Question: How should I structure this? Should I make a new entry under sites-available? |
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| 06:53.44 | dalias | this sounds more like apache help. |
| 06:53.50 | dalias | someone here might know and be able to help you |
| 06:53.57 | wad | The structure is more debian-ish, I thought. |
| 06:54.02 | dalias | but #apache would be more likely to be able to help you quickly |
| 06:54.06 | dalias | hmm |
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| 06:54.09 | wad | Thanks, I'll try there. |
| 06:54.10 | wols | wad: why rewrite it? why not just point the virtual site to the same directory for both? |
| 06:54.10 | dalias | i don't know |
| 06:54.26 | dalias | i hardly know apache so i don't know how debian-specific the question might or might not be |
| 06:54.36 | dalias | wols, redirect is better |
| 06:54.50 | wols | dalias: rewrite != redirect |
| 06:54.55 | dalias | otherwise google stats for the two won't count the same |
| 06:55.09 | dalias | so your link counts will be lower |
| 06:55.20 | dalias | generally it's bad to have the same page accessible by multiple names |
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| 06:55.30 | dalias | because it won't get as good a pagerank |
| 06:55.44 | wad | I would like to centralize the names, as soon as possible, yet. |
| 06:55.44 | DeZ_666 | wols: how do i add initrd ? :( |
| 06:55.48 | wad | s/yet/yes/ |
| 06:55.58 | blq | hi |
| 06:56.00 | dasunt | I have a firewall script that provides forwarding and NAT for a machine. |
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| 06:56.15 | dasunt | It is setup to use 'scriptname start|stop|restart' |
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| 06:56.24 | dasunt | What would be the best way to configure it to start automatically upon boot? |
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| 06:56.44 | wols | !tell dasunt about sysvinit |
| 06:57.07 | dasunt | wols: I know about the runlevels. |
| 06:57.16 | wols | then why do you ask? |
| 06:57.32 | dasunt | But since eth0 needs dhcp to get its address, and my firewall has a default deny, putting it before the network is up would probably be a bad idea, right? |
| 06:57.35 | DarkBahamut | wols do you know where i may get help on how to repair my acpi? |
| 06:57.42 | dasunt | Hmmm. |
| 06:57.52 | dasunt | Unless I make an exception for dhcp replies on eth0 |
| 06:58.03 | wols | !laptops |
| 06:58.03 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 06:58.24 | dasunt | Hmmm. |
| 06:58.26 | dasunt | BRB |
| 06:58.34 | DeZ_666 | wols: Can you..please help me? |
| 06:58.42 | mandrigal | yes! |
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| 06:58.56 | DarkBahamut | ? |
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| 07:00.38 | MeneM | > |
| 07:00.40 | MeneM | . |
| 07:00.55 | DarkBahamut | brb |
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| 07:01.18 | mandrigal | i got jar of kimchi open! |
| 07:01.22 | mandrigal | *my |
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| 07:01.36 | MeneM | Sorry, I'm checking out irssi |
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| 07:03.52 | DarkBahamut | umm what if my laptop is not on the list? |
| 07:04.44 | blq | I'm trying to get my sound card (nforce2 soundstorm) working.. as I read in the alsa wiki and in the #debian wiki the alsa drivers should work for me. So I installed alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-tools, alsa-mixer and alsa-mixer-gui. I ran alsaconf and chose the proper sound device but speaker-test still reports errors :/ http://paste.debian.net/42566 I'm not sure how to go on .. |
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| 07:06.14 | cahoot | blq: you're member of audio group? |
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| 07:07.05 | wols | blq: what did you "choose"? |
| 07:07.06 | blq | cahoot: I think so |
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| 07:07.25 | heatman | Is there a tool in debian that would allow me to blacklist my on board video card or do i have to do it manually? |
| 07:07.30 | wols | DarkBahamut: the sites ahve forums too afaik |
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| 07:07.33 | cahoot | blq: 'id' would tell for sure |
| 07:07.36 | wols | !tell heatman about blacklist |
| 07:07.44 | blq | wols: I chose the device called like my soundcard, somethinh like "nforce2 soundstorm ...." |
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| 07:08.03 | DeZ_666 | wols: whats `ro' do in GRUB, you know offhand? |
| 07:08.09 | blq | wols: intel8x0: nforce2 soundstorm etc.. |
| 07:08.20 | DeZ_666 | err, thats a kernel parameter..whats it do :P |
| 07:08.39 | wols | k |
| 07:08.47 | blq | cahoot: I'm in audio |
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| 07:09.16 | cahoot | blq: run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 && speaker-test |
| 07:10.38 | DarkBahamut | is it rly hard to repair acpi? these sites arent helping |
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| 07:12.02 | blq | cahoot: ok I chose alsa - but speaker-test is still giving the same output |
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| 07:12.33 | cahoot | blq: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - any output? |
| 07:12.46 | drwahl | is there any way to do a net-install but have it grab the 2.4 kernel? the 2.6 kernel is hanging on my chipset |
| 07:13.07 | blq | cahoot: no, no output :( |
| 07:13.35 | Nyle | !ping |
| 07:13.35 | dpkg | pong |
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| 07:13.39 | heatman | Wols: small question that the bot wont be able to awnser. To blacklist on board video card and stop conflick with my nvidia card, should i blacklist these 2 mod: intel_agp, agpgart? or just the first one? |
| 07:13.43 | Nyle | wow that took 4 seconds |
| 07:13.45 | blq | cahoot: lspci says: |
| 07:13.48 | blq | 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce Audio Processing Unit (rev a2) |
| 07:13.48 | blq | 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) |
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| 07:14.13 | cahoot | blq: what does cat /proc/asound/cards return? |
| 07:14.43 | blq | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.43 | blq | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.29 | blq | cahoot: doesn't look like expected - does it? |
| 07:15.48 | cahoot | no |
| 07:16.00 | drwahl | is there any way to do a net-install but have it grab the 2.4 kernel? the 2.6 kernel is hanging on my chipset |
| 07:16.08 | mandrigal | how can i see what groups i'm a part of? |
| 07:16.15 | blq | DeZ_666: congratulations! |
| 07:16.26 | DeZ_666 | :) |
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| 07:17.01 | blq | mandrigal: run id |
| 07:17.50 | cahoot | blq: is this etch or what? |
| 07:18.05 | blq | cahoot: it's lenny |
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| 07:18.32 | mandrigal | how do i add myself to a group? |
| 07:18.39 | blq | cahoot: I wanted to give compiz-fusion a try :) |
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| 07:19.12 | cahoot | blq: and a debian made kernel? |
| 07:19.36 | blq | cahoot: only debian stuff :) |
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| 07:20.14 | wols | drwahl: etch does not support 2.4. 2.6 only |
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| 07:20.24 | wols | drwahl: what hardware do you have? what chipset? |
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| 07:20.51 | blq | mandrigal: sudo adduser USER GROUP |
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| 07:21.15 | dalias | why not say "login as root, then adduser USER GROUP" ? |
| 07:21.22 | dalias | sudo is not installed by default |
| 07:21.24 | drwahl | wols: lemme be more precise, with the 2.6 kernel, my computer hangs on boot saying: agpart: via apollo chipset 133 |
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| 07:21.47 | wols | !tell drwahl about blacklist |
| 07:22.25 | wols | drwahl: you can install sarge (oldstable) |
| 07:22.37 | drwahl | wols: i could if i had in image |
| 07:22.57 | cahoot | blq: try modprobe snd-intel 8x0 |
| 07:23.08 | cahoot | blq: try modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 07:23.21 | wols | drwahl: http://ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/iso-images/debian/sarge/cd/ |
| 07:23.45 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 07:23.50 | drwahl | wols: i'll give that a shot. thanks! |
| 07:24.10 | blq | cahoot: snd-intel 8x0 says: snd_intel not found - snd-intel8x0 gives no response |
| 07:24.32 | mandrigal | if i wanna make a command outout to say a text file i do it with >> right? |
| 07:24.44 | cahoot | blq: run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 && speaker-test |
| 07:24.55 | mandrigal | comand >> a.txt |
| 07:25.35 | blq | cahoot: Resetting ALSA card 0...failed (none loaded). |
| 07:25.43 | cahoot | blq: what does cat /proc/asound/cards return? |
| 07:26.09 | blq | cahoot: still the same like before |
| 07:26.45 | cahoot | blq: what does cat /proc/asound/modules return? |
| 07:26.46 | mandrigal | yay i was right |
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| 07:27.47 | blq | cahoot: I ran alsaconf now cat /proc/asound/cards returns -- no soundcards -- |
| 07:27.54 | cahoot | blq: what does cat /proc/asound/modules return? |
| 07:28.12 | blq | cahoot: modules returns nothing |
| 07:29.42 | blq | cahoot: I would be really really happy if we get this working :) |
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| 07:30.32 | Nyle | sound problems? |
| 07:30.40 | mandrigal | as in no sound :( |
| 07:30.56 | Nyle | yup, sounds like a problem to me |
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| 07:31.15 | cahoot | blq: you haven't installed any out-of-kernel modules for sound by chance? |
| 07:31.38 | blq | cahoot: I tried to install the nforce driver without success |
| 07:31.57 | mandrigal | omg i have nothing in /usr/src/ |
| 07:31.57 | cahoot | blq: well that's prolly why alsa won't load |
| 07:32.16 | blq | cahoot: sounds like we getting closer |
| 07:32.27 | blq | cahoot: *we're |
| 07:33.02 | Nyle | yes |
| 07:33.11 | cahoot | blq: remove/unload whatever nforce-derived sound modules you've installed |
| 07:34.27 | blq | cahoot: I allready tried to run ./nforce-installer --uninstall but it looks like it didn'T work |
| 07:35.01 | cahoot | blq: figure out what the module is named - rmmod that module |
| 07:35.38 | blq | cahoot: ok |
| 07:36.03 | blq | nvsound 1543480 0 |
| 07:36.03 | blq | soundcore 7840 2 snd,nvsound |
| 07:36.13 | blq | cahoot: could it be one of these? |
| 07:36.26 | cahoot | nvsound looks like the culprit |
| 07:37.06 | blq | cahoot: okay I removed it |
| 07:37.13 | blq | cahoot: alsa reload ? |
| 07:37.27 | blq | eeek |
| 07:37.29 | blq | it works |
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| 07:37.35 | blq | <3 cahoot - thanks! |
| 07:41.13 | blq | cahoot: okay call me stupid but why does it load to infinity when I'm trying to test my sound system via kde control center? (If chosen advanced linux sound architecture) |
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| 07:42.27 | cahoot | load to infinity? |
| 07:42.33 | twiggz | kneegrows |
| 07:42.41 | Nyle | uhhm |
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| 07:43.18 | blq | cahoot: when I click on "test" a loading bar appears and loads slowly and again and again... |
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| 07:45.05 | cahoot | blq: that's tools I know nothing about |
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| 07:46.10 | albech | after doing a mv my / ran out of diskspace. The mv was on another partition though and now i cant find out what filled up the / partition.. it had 3gb free before |
| 07:46.15 | blq | cahoot: thankyou anyway |
| 07:46.44 | blq | cahoot: when I run speaker test should I hear something? |
| 07:47.23 | cahoot | blq: yes - artsd might be intering though |
| 07:47.30 | cahoot | interfering |
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| 07:48.55 | blq | cahoot: artsd wasn't running - but I didn't hear anything while running speaker-test |
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| 07:49.34 | blq | cahoot: omg I tried to start artsd and it started like a million processes |
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| 07:50.55 | blq | cahoot: I was running speaker-test as root - now I tried it with my desktop user and it is returning errors again - but different one I'll paste them |
| 07:51.10 | cahoot | blq: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should unmute and set reasonable levels |
| 07:51.37 | blq | http://paste.debian.net/42568 |
| 07:51.46 | albech | is there a way to exclude mounts with 'du'?? |
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| 07:52.20 | cahoot | blq: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - any output? |
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| 07:52.41 | cusco | hello my debianatic friends |
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| 07:53.24 | blq | cahoot: nope sorry - but speaker-test isn't returning anymore errors since I restartet alsa-utils |
| 07:53.25 | Nyle | ok hi |
| 07:54.18 | psyche | does someone know how i can hack ubuntu locally? |
| 07:54.32 | Nyle | why are you asking this here |
| 07:54.38 | streuner | !ubuntu |
| 07:54.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 07:54.50 | psyche | ok |
| 07:57.05 | DarkBahamut | hey, does anyone know how to repair acpi? |
| 07:57.10 | rahul | wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa |
| 07:57.14 | Nyle | hey rahul |
| 07:57.32 | rahul | I distribute the metal and I get the drunk |
| 07:58.02 | Nyle | rahul: check msg |
| 07:58.32 | gbp | quick little q/n :P in vi, i have a new line breaking two lines which should be one, how do i get the second line to join the first? am i stupid? lol |
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| 07:59.25 | rokra | Hello |
| 07:59.27 | gbp | i'm using vi on a vt100 terminal (ssh) if that makes any difference to what keys i use to do it. |
| 07:59.35 | gbp | hi rokra |
| 08:00.05 | rokra | Please how to change permission an a symbolic link? I m trying "chgrp group folder/" and the owner is always root:root instead of root:group ? |
| 08:00.48 | rahul | symlinks don't have hewir own perms |
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| 08:02.22 | DarkBahamut | wols: you there? |
| 08:03.39 | rahul | beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyorth |
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| 08:03.42 | rahul | gr? |
| 08:04.08 | DarkBahamut | anyone here know anything about acpi? |
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| 08:05.32 | Nyle | rahul: you drunk? |
| 08:05.54 | rahul | no |
| 08:05.56 | rahul | just wasted |
| 08:05.58 | rahul | :D |
| 08:06.09 | DarkBahamut | isnt it the same thing |
| 08:06.22 | rahul | no |
| 08:06.28 | rahul | wasted is MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:06.29 | DarkBahamut | close enough |
| 08:06.35 | rahul | BOOOOOOOOOOOOOBIES |
| 08:06.41 | rahul | www.pagansmind.com |
| 08:06.54 | blq | lol, party @ #debian :P |
| 08:06.58 | DarkBahamut | whats that site for o.O |
| 08:07.02 | rahul | NSFW, FWIW |
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| 08:07.07 | Nyle | what? |
| 08:07.09 | rahul | DarkBahamut: boobies |
| 08:07.13 | rahul | and metal |
| 08:07.16 | Nyle | rahul: you watch my video? |
| 08:07.18 | DarkBahamut | lol |
| 08:07.22 | rahul | Nyle: yeah |
| 08:07.27 | rahul | get a band, bitch |
| 08:07.30 | Nyle | heh |
| 08:07.34 | Nyle | find me a drummer |
| 08:07.51 | Nyle | tell you metal friends about my video, maybe they will wanna play after they hear me |
| 08:07.54 | Nyle | watch.. |
| 08:08.08 | mandrigal | anyone try to compile pidgin latley? |
| 08:08.14 | Nyle | nope |
| 08:08.20 | Nyle | i use kopete |
| 08:08.36 | mandrigal | i get an error |
| 08:08.53 | BlueToothz | how can i tar up a directory |
| 08:10.50 | BlueToothz | nvm |
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| 08:11.59 | DarkBahamut | o.O |
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| 08:12.29 | tims | need some help with rdns |
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| 08:13.55 | tims | !rdns |
| 08:14.04 | tims | ! rdns |
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| 08:16.01 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:16.17 | DarkBahamut | morning o.O |
| 08:16.19 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 08:16.37 | DarkBahamut | night time here |
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| 08:17.03 | kanaldrache | Is there a reason why i don't see empty directories in my debian package? They exist under the build-dir?! |
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| 08:19.55 | DarkBahamut | im going to sleep since im not getting any help.. ill ask again tomorrow |
| 08:19.58 | DarkBahamut | gnite everyone |
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| 08:21.29 | dacs | hi guys |
| 08:21.54 | kanaldrache | Do i need to put the empty dirs in a special file? |
| 08:22.06 | kanaldrache | The same things happends with my directories in package.dirs |
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| 08:23.44 | dacs | Please can someone help me ? at work i am blocked from myspace and some other sites, how ever i can ssh to my Debian box at home, is there is a way i can browse those site from my home Box |
| 08:24.15 | BlueToothz | so how do you make a tar, hehe, sorry |
| 08:24.15 | yos87 | Hi, I'm trying to use ktorrnet webinterface , when I put http://192.168.1.22:8080 I see the log in page, But when login , it say HTTP/1.1 internal server error, Failed to launch PHP excutable!, What can I do? |
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| 08:26.36 | blq | dacs: you can setup a proxy at your home box |
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| 08:27.33 | cusco | yos87: do you have a php enabled web server? |
| 08:27.44 | blq | dacs: you could use squid for example |
| 08:27.49 | cusco | like apache-mod-php |
| 08:28.11 | yos87 | cusco: I install it, I don't know if it's enabled or not, how to enable it? |
| 08:29.09 | cusco | if you installed it it should be enabled providing you restarted your apache after installing mod php |
| 08:29.31 | cusco | to check it just put some php file in your server and point the browser to it |
| 08:30.48 | cusco | yos87: or prehaps you should check the apache error.log and see why that error ocurred |
| 08:31.23 | yos87 | cusco: You mean, after installing I have to restart the apache? |
| 08:32.18 | dacs | blq: i have never used that |
| 08:32.52 | dacs | blq: do you have a tutorial |
| 08:32.53 | blq | !dpkg squid |
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| 08:33.26 | blq | dacs: I didn'T use squid my self yet too |
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| 08:34.00 | rokra | USING nfs I added a line in the fstab file and now the folder is mounted via the network. However doing mount I dont see info |
| 08:34.07 | marcin | Hello, how do you think, is it possible to install grub at /dev/md0 (raid0), beacuse I have a problem with that :| |
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| 08:35.16 | yos87 | cusco: I need same this page http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/dicas/verDica.php?codigo=8171 But in english, hehe |
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| 08:35.20 | sep | rokra, if you dont see it in mount , it's not mounted, try mouting it |
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| 08:36.48 | rokra | sep: yeap it s mounted the folder is available via the network |
| 08:37.00 | rokra | sep: but doing the mount command I don t see it |
| 08:37.04 | dacs | blq: but if i browse the internet from it will it be traced |
| 08:38.01 | cusco | yos87: I meant after installing libmod apache php, yes you need to restart apache |
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| 08:39.23 | yos87 | cusco: I have php and apache installed, But I don't have the libmod, sorry, I'm new, how to restart the apache ? |
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| 08:40.12 | cusco | yos87: for that you don't use apache's embbeded php, you use php-cli |
| 08:40.17 | cusco | command line interface |
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| 08:40.51 | blq | dacs: if you have squid installed on your home box your company will only be able to see that you have opened a connection to your home box - they could be able to see it if they use a hidden proxy or something like that and check the cache of it |
| 08:41.23 | cusco | looks like ktorrent has its own web server meaning you don't need apache for that |
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| 08:41.58 | cusco | so, what you need is php-cli |
| 08:42.19 | dacs | blq: when you say "they could see it" do you mean that they will see that i am using squid |
| 08:42.19 | cusco | and perhaps chose another port for ktorrent other than port 80 wich is being used by apache |
| 08:42.42 | blq | dacs: I mean that it is possible if they really want to |
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| 08:43.15 | dacs | how can i use the browser from the terminal thu |
| 08:43.27 | blq | dacs: to solve this you would have to use a ssl connection - but I'm not sure if it's possible to use ssl to connect to a http proxy |
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| 08:44.35 | blq | dacs: you could use links, links2 or lynx or something like that |
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| 08:49.39 | Lucky13 | hi, is there a way to replicate the partition structure to a new HD? I have a RAID 1 array and one of the HDs is broken. I have a new HD to replace... To add it to the RAID I need to create an equal partition structure, right? |
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| 08:52.30 | sep | Lucky13, man sfdisk |
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| 08:53.01 | Lucky13 | txs |
| 08:53.16 | sep | Lucky13, look at the -d argument in the man page |
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| 08:56.50 | dacs | i can't install lynx |
| 08:56.54 | Lucky13 | sep, txs man! |
| 08:57.39 | wols | !tell dacs about bat |
| 08:57.41 | mandrigal | any kde lovers here? |
| 08:57.51 | wols | !tell mandrigal about polls |
| 08:58.15 | mandrigal | heh |
| 08:58.21 | sep | mandrigal, look at http://popcon.debian.org/ for the numbers |
| 08:59.20 | dacs | wols: i am very sorry i typed the spelling wrong |
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| 09:02.37 | dacs | wols: i tried facebook.com and i got Incompatible browser is there is a solution for this please |
| 09:03.22 | liable | change yuser agent |
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| 09:03.39 | dacs | ? |
| 09:04.51 | streuner | liable: right, Mad Max 2 is prolly the best |
| 09:05.00 | liable | streuner: heh :) |
| 09:05.58 | streuner | liable: just remember the convo about the last week... |
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| 09:06.08 | liable | streuner: ya, i remember |
| 09:06.16 | wols | dacs: as liable said: change your user agent. or probably use something that can do javascript |
| 09:06.52 | dacs | wols: will do, any hints to what to use? |
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| 09:07.04 | liable | dacs: set in about:config or i think theres a user agent switcher thingo available |
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| 09:07.25 | wols | liable: lynx has no about:config |
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| 09:09.46 | blq | dacs: if your company blocks facebook.com if you use your default browser and you can reach it with lynx you prollly only have to change the network settings of your default browser |
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| 09:10.53 | liable | oh, he is using lynx i thought iceweasel for some reason.. |
| 09:11.32 | dacs | liable: nope lynx |
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| 09:12.14 | timri | sorry to barge in like this, but lynx has a -useragent commandline option |
| 09:12.14 | liable | stupid wireless |
| 09:12.29 | liable | not barging in at all :) |
| 09:12.37 | bolt | B |
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| 09:14.38 | bolt | though if you go to such extremes to use something at work which you are not allowed to use, maybe you also should consider if you have an unhealthy addition to it? |
| 09:15.03 | liable | huh? |
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| 09:15.32 | bolt | i didn't catch the whole story, but from what i read, he's trying to get around a facebook ban at work? |
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| 09:16.34 | cahoot | obviously a well motivated ban |
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| 09:17.40 | dacs | this lynx is not working for me |
| 09:18.50 | bolt | at my workplace, we have people who are really close to getting fired because of facebook. some of these people used to be really great colleagues who were always ahead of the schedule and always had time to chat. now they're late, stressed and always staring at facebook |
| 09:19.17 | bolt | oh well |
| 09:20.29 | dacs | bolt: yeah i agree, but when you work a grave shift and its 1 am and still have 7hrs to go and you finish all your work |
| 09:20.45 | dacs | bolt: facebook sounds good to me now |
| 09:21.08 | dacs | ;) |
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| 09:25.28 | sep | bolt, how is it different from wasting all your time on irc !!! |
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| 09:25.44 | bolt | sep: what's different is that i'm not at work |
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| 09:27.06 | amirf | can i run crontab manualy by ? "/etc/crontab" ? |
| 09:27.29 | g00se | When does /etc/group 'refresh'? Just opened new term and still not member of 'staff' group... |
| 09:27.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | g00se, after you log out |
| 09:27.44 | wols | g00se: logout |
| 09:27.49 | cahoot | g00se: or su <user> |
| 09:27.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | its nto the group file updating, its your login sesion |
| 09:27.56 | dacs | amirf: no i don't thinks so |
| 09:28.21 | dacs | amirf: why would you run it in cron if you are doing it manuall |
| 09:28.25 | amirf | <dacs>:so how can i |
| 09:28.27 | g00se | Kamping_Kaiser, wols: any workaround? |
| 09:28.38 | amirf | <dacs>:testing |
| 09:28.45 | liable | yes, log out |
| 09:28.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | g00se, work arounds? try what cahoot suggested i guess |
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| 09:28.59 | adrakoa | hi |
| 09:29.01 | g00se | cahoot: maybe yours will do it? |
| 09:29.05 | liable | amirf: can you tell your client to not use the <> ? |
| 09:29.17 | cahoot | at least for that shell |
| 09:29.36 | g00se | cahoot: You got it - thanks :-) |
| 09:29.56 | cusco | liable: what is wrong with using < > ? |
| 09:30.08 | cahoot | gpasswd should also work IIRC |
| 09:30.15 | dacs | liable: what client? i represent my self! :) |
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| 09:30.45 | liable | cusco: nothing really, its just redundent, and causes some clients not to highlight |
| 09:31.04 | cusco | ok then its nothing serious |
| 09:31.12 | liable | nah |
| 09:31.21 | cusco | cheers |
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| 09:32.01 | dacs | liable: you said " clients not to highlight" what did you meam |
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| 09:32.43 | liable | dacs: you can make your irc client highlight text when your nick (or another word) is used |
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| 09:34.46 | dacs | liable: how can you edit this in irssi |
| 09:35.21 | cusco | /set completition_char : |
| 09:36.02 | liable | dacs: /help hilight |
| 09:36.17 | cusco | or that! |
| 09:36.37 | dacs | cusco: and what is the keyword for the <> |
| 09:37.48 | cusco | I don't know |
| 09:38.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry for silly question - what dpkg tool should i use to clean a source tree? i used dpkg-buildpackage to (half)build the package |
| 09:39.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry - tc :$ |
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| 09:40.10 | dacs | Kamping_Kaiser: --purage |
| 09:41.23 | wols | dacs: purge deletes source files? |
| 09:41.44 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: since source isn't managed by dpkg: anything you like |
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| 09:42.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, i found a -tc switch to dpkg-buildpackage which claims to clean the tree - i'll try it out :) |
| 09:42.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for the feedback both |
| 09:43.03 | CaT[tm] | wub |
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| 09:43.12 | susanne-- | so i'm trying to run gnome over a vnc server. i've got vnc running, but gnome just displays the debian logo. what did i forget to install? |
| 09:43.26 | dacs | wols: it cleans the pkg right? i might be wrong |
| 09:43.33 | liable | sounds like the gdm login page |
| 09:43.41 | dacs | Kamping_Kaiser: sorry if i gave you wrong info |
| 09:43.45 | CaT[tm] | dacs: it completely purges the install deb from your system |
| 09:43.49 | epsilon | susanne--: does gnome start on local screen? |
| 09:44.03 | susanne-- | epsilon: no clue. headless box. |
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| 09:44.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | dacs, np |
| 09:44.30 | epsilon | then start gnome from console and wait for any error info |
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| 09:45.08 | epsilon | so /usr/bin/gnome-session |
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| 09:46.32 | susanne-- | as i indicated, it's a headless box. i lack physical access to be able to put a head on it, and starting gnome from within an ssh session doesn't produce anything useful. |
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| 09:47.32 | Backie | Can anyone help me with getting ndiswrapper working? |
| 09:48.46 | CaT[tm] | susanne: out of curiosity, why do you wish to start gnome in this manner? |
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| 09:50.27 | liable | Backie: there most be a ton of online docs about ndiswrapper |
| 09:51.10 | Backie | liable, where? I can only find one and its telling me to "modprobe ndiswrapper" and modprobe ain't workin |
| 09:51.36 | wols | !ndiswrapper |
| 09:51.36 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:51.51 | liable | Backie: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=debian+ndiswrapper+howto&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 09:52.06 | wols | Backie: tried the one liner? |
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| 09:52.27 | Backie | wols, one liner? |
| 09:52.33 | Internat3 | so i have a courier specific quesiton, and since no one is answering in the courier channel, ill go up the chain into more general channels.. |
| 09:52.41 | wols | Backie: what dpkg just wrote |
| 09:52.43 | Internat3 | this may well be a stupid question.. or a stupid idea im trying to do.. but basicly with my imap and pop users, i want way of telling them that they have been disabled. I use a mysql setup to locate the maildir for all the virtual users, I was thinking something a long the lines of having another directory setup thats readonly, that has an email in it, that advises people there account has been disabled.. |
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| 09:54.02 | CaT[tm] | internat3: my recommendation would be to go use dovecot ;) probably not what you want to hear though |
| 09:55.18 | susanne-- | so i'm trying to run gnome over a vnc server. i've got vnc running, but gnome just displays the debian logo. what did i forget to install? |
| 09:55.55 | liable | Internat3: sounds fair, just a username redirection to that email, dunno htw you would go about it though |
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| 09:56.38 | cahoot | susanne--: would 'the debian logo' be the desktop background? |
| 09:56.41 | wols | Internat3: in the DB enter the "DISABLED" username |
| 09:57.02 | wols | and in the mailbox make the maildirs, files, all of it read only of the user |
| 09:57.08 | wols | owned by root, only root can write |
| 09:57.32 | susanne-- | cahoot: looks like it. but nothing else runs. like, you know, a desktop environment. |
| 09:57.37 | wols | also set an alias or such that the mailbox doesn't get mail. or even make it user unknown if possible |
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| 10:01.28 | Internat3 | err how would the mailbox get full? nothing would be delivering to it.. id just have a message in there, that was read only.. |
| 10:01.56 | Internat3 | CaT[tm]: and in terms of dovecot vs courier.. how does that effect the overall outcome of what im trying to achive? |
| 10:02.36 | Internat3 | basicly mysql currently stores the location of the mailbox.. ill just make a function or stored proc, that returns a different address if its disabled |
| 10:03.10 | wols | the mailbox is not supposed to get full. it's disabled |
| 10:04.11 | CaT[tm] | internat3: well I can see how it could be done in dovecot. :) |
| 10:04.43 | CaT[tm] | internat3: but having run courier, I now run dovecot and I aint going back |
| 10:05.02 | Internat3 | everyone seems to say that, but since i have no experience with dovecot im hesitant to change my seutp |
| 10:05.14 | Internat3 | though i am rebuilding everything shortly, so i am open to opinions |
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| 10:05.29 | Internat | any particular reason dovecot is better then courier? |
| 10:05.54 | CaT[tm] | internat3: nicer config, plays nicer resource-usage-wise. |
| 10:06.12 | Internat | hmms guess ill play with it on my test box later and see how hard a mysql seutp in it is |
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| 10:07.13 | Internat | how hard is dovecot to setup in terms of using mysql to return EVERYTHING |
| 10:07.13 | CaT[tm] | I do one SELECT per email and one SELECT per auth. |
| 10:07.23 | CaT[tm] | one sql line |
| 10:07.51 | CaT[tm] | it's what i do with postgres. I do one select and dovecot uses the result for all its goodness |
| 10:07.53 | Internat | cause the tutorial i have has the location of files hardcoded etc, and only auth details pulled out of the database |
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| 10:08.04 | CaT[tm] | nope |
| 10:08.15 | CaT[tm] | i have auth+file loc in postgresql |
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| 10:08.51 | Internat | hmms.. |
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| 10:09.13 | CaT[tm] | internat: hard to do it all in one SELECT if it didn't :) |
| 10:09.21 | Internat | sure |
| 10:09.28 | Internat | i may have to go looking for some more tutorials me thinks |
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| 10:09.43 | CaT[tm] | the stuff on www.dovecot.org should be enough. |
| 10:09.52 | CaT[tm] | (should ;) |
| 10:09.58 | Internat | do u use postfix to deliver the email, or do you pass it off to dovecot for that, ive noticed it has some form of |
| 10:10.09 | CaT[tm] | I use exim |
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| 10:10.26 | Internat | u use exim to actually deliver, or pass off to dovecots lda? |
| 10:10.31 | CaT[tm] | single SELECT and it covers user, mailbox location, quota, away msgs, wether delivery is enabled, etc, etc |
| 10:10.37 | CaT[tm] | I use exim to deliver |
| 10:10.48 | Internat | hmmms |
| 10:10.56 | CaT[tm] | saves me having to start another program to deliver email. |
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| 10:11.04 | CaT[tm] | with possibly more hits to the db |
| 10:11.18 | Internat | hmmms |
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| 10:11.53 | sunway | i noticed that an empty file is created on ~/ on some period, how could i trace where it is from? |
| 10:11.56 | Internat | postfix unfortunatly doesnt support quotas out of the box or away messages so or server side filtering, so my new setup was going to outsource that delivery to to courier-maildrop |
| 10:12.20 | CaT[tm] | internat: investigate exim properly. |
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| 10:12.48 | CaT[tm] | internat: you'll need to write a wee bit of config but it's not hard. just sit down with the extensive and rather seriously complete docs. |
| 10:12.54 | Internat | lol i dont want to blow my entire service away :P im happy with postfix, it does its job fine for me at the moment.. courier on the other hand im willing to have some more leeway with |
| 10:12.55 | crptx | Hi |
| 10:13.07 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 10:13.12 | CaT[tm] | fair enough. |
| 10:13.13 | Backie | How do I install ndiswrapper module using package mangers? |
| 10:13.17 | crptx | you tell me ;) |
| 10:13.31 | Internat | hmmms |
| 10:13.43 | wols | Backie: dpkg gave you a direction earlier |
| 10:13.48 | CaT[tm] | internat: I'm just going off what I have setup, which works and works well for me. |
| 10:13.58 | wols | Internat: check workaround.org |
| 10:14.34 | wols | !tell Internat about ispmail |
| 10:14.59 | Internat | wols: im using the sarge setup from that at the moment |
| 10:15.04 | Internat | albiet with a lot of tweeking |
| 10:15.22 | Internat | the etch one changes to dovecot, which i was looking at, but doesnt show some things i was refering to |
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| 10:18.27 | Internat | CaT[tm] any chace of seeing a copy of ur dovecot-sql type file? |
| 10:19.33 | CaT[tm] | internat: access to that is behind a firewall and a few servers. my db schema is custom for my needs so my select is customised also. dovecot does not require any particular schema to exist. |
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| 10:20.25 | CaT[tm] | so create your table however you want and just make sure the select returns the right bits of data. |
| 10:20.26 | Internat | fair enuff. i hate trying to learn from doco.. its painful.. i seem to pick things better with an example, even if its not close to how im going to setep, so i have a decent starting point prior to mkaing heads or tail of the doco |
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| 10:20.53 | BsdGentleman | hi I have a query reguarding debian and ubuntu, Is ubuntu seemingly a experimental version of debian? |
| 10:20.57 | mosquito | hi |
| 10:21.05 | CaT[tm] | internat: the dovecot install has a sample sql config file |
| 10:21.17 | CaT[tm] | and I understand what you mean. examples are nice. :) |
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| 10:21.57 | mosquito | i have a machine and it restarts every hour.. i don't understand, why it is? no cron settings, no logs, just restart.. |
| 10:22.01 | Asmooh | why does debian dont have mythtv in apt? |
| 10:22.22 | CaT[tm] | mosq: overheating? |
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| 10:23.36 | CaT[tm] | internat: I recommend using the dovcot from etch btw. the sarge one is extremely outdated. |
| 10:23.42 | CaT[tm] | dovecot even |
| 10:23.47 | Internat | yeah im running etch |
| 10:24.17 | Internat | i guess i may play a bit with dovecot |
| 10:24.39 | mosquito | CaT[tm], maybe but why exactly every 60 minutes? |
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| 10:25.18 | CaT[tm] | internat: do. it's nice. :) I even get it to turn off caching for pop3 access as more often theno not a pop3 pickup leaves no mail behind. imap gets caching. |
| 10:26.12 | CaT[tm] | mosq: no idea. it's just a possibility. perhaps your ram is bad or your mb. |
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| 10:27.29 | mosquito | mb? |
| 10:27.55 | CaT[tm] | motherboard |
| 10:28.02 | CaT[tm] | hard to tell what exactly is wrong |
| 10:28.36 | mosquito | ok, i see |
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| 10:40.10 | mosquito | thx |
| 10:40.11 | mosquito | bye |
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| 10:41.54 | basix | hello people... |
| 10:42.07 | basix | do i need to download all 3 DVDs of debian to do a simple desktop installation? |
| 10:43.49 | Ronin | basix: no you dont |
| 10:44.19 | basix | Ronin, how do i find out whats on the individual dvds? |
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| 10:45.03 | Ronin | basix: debian.org i suspect but if you have a decent net connection you can do a net install and only use one mini cd |
| 10:45.26 | basix | Ronin, i dont have a decent net connection. thats the problem :( |
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| 10:45.32 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 10:51.35 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: you around ? |
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| 10:57.01 | jelly | SpeedyG: yes |
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| 10:57.42 | SpeedyG | jelly: ah, never mind :) had some issues re-setting my vnc stuff ;) kinda forgot the options.. but the man pages and google were quite helpfull :) |
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| 10:58.28 | jelly | SpeedyG: ok |
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| 10:59.03 | susanne-- | so i'm trying to run gnome over a vnc server. i've got vnc running, but gnome just displays the debian logo, eg background pic. what did i forget to install? |
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| 11:04.07 | wols | susanne--: how did you install gnome? |
| 11:04.35 | wols | !tell basix about cd contents |
| 11:04.36 | susanne-- | apt-get install gnome |
| 11:04.48 | susanne-- | works from the keyboard. |
| 11:04.48 | wols | susanne--: nothing. you installed all that is needed then |
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| 11:05.13 | susanne-- | so why do i not get any user knobs when it starts? |
| 11:05.26 | azeem | susanne--: check ~/.xsession-errors, maybe |
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| 11:05.56 | GuHHH | hey, about mail listing services... whats the most simple to configure, mailman or majordomo? |
| 11:06.24 | susanne-- | oh joyful. cairo taking a dump on me again. i've never been able to get past these. cairo does not yet support the requested image format. wtf? |
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| 11:08.16 | FireAeon | hi all |
| 11:08.18 | epsilon | milling libs? |
| 11:08.27 | epsilon | *missing libs? |
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| 11:08.46 | FireAeon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.46 | susanne-- | epsilon: no. seems vnserver doesn't support 8-bit color? |
| 11:10.27 | cahoot | FireAeon: you are ssh'ing as <user>? |
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| 11:12.34 | FireAeon | cahoot: yes of course user@server |
| 11:13.17 | FireAeon | ummm, it seems I do forget to copy public key in my .ssh dir v_v' |
| 11:13.26 | FireAeon | in the client machien |
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| 11:16.28 | susanne-- | found it. what a jackass bug. |
| 11:18.38 | susanne-- | anybody speak torrentflux? what do the status lights on the left of each torrent line in the table mean? green, yellow, red, black ... can't find docs anywhere |
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| 11:23.20 | zaharazod | susanne--: i think they're just connection health |
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| 11:23.35 | zaharazod | ie. peer to leech ratio |
| 11:23.37 | Sty1 | hello, is there anybody out there who is knowing how i can activate TCP/IP over ORBit? Because of my NFS-Home directory? |
| 11:24.17 | zaharazod | (and black might mean inactive.. lost my dsl a few months ago, so its been a while since i used torrentflux =) |
| 11:24.30 | Yellow | Hi all.. |
| 11:24.42 | Sty1 | hi Yellow |
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| 11:25.11 | Sty1 | Is there anybody out there who is knowing how i can activate TCP/IP over ORBit? Because of my NFS-Home directory? |
| 11:25.47 | Sty1 | Everytime I want to login with gdm and start gnome this is the error, but with root it works perfectly. |
| 11:26.18 | Yellow | Got a question.. Installed Ubuntu yesterday on my P3 933 mhz.. But it was to slow to work with.. So i think i'll install Debian on it.. Always used to use Debian BTW.. What can i install best. Etch or Sarge ? |
| 11:27.17 | Yellow | Is has to be a desktop comupter btw :) |
| 11:27.48 | cahoot | since etch is the present stable ... |
| 11:27.58 | Sty1 | yes etch, why sarge? |
| 11:28.21 | Yellow | Because Sarge is more complex because it's newer? |
| 11:28.26 | Yellow | srry Etch |
| 11:28.34 | Yellow | and it's for an old computer |
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| 11:29.26 | wols | sarge is older |
| 11:29.33 | wols | etch is newer. what computer do you want to use? |
| 11:29.41 | Yellow | P3 933 mhz |
| 11:29.42 | wols | hoe much ram most importantly |
| 11:29.43 | Sty1 | p3 933 |
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| 11:29.47 | Yellow | 256 mb |
| 11:29.53 | wols | use etch |
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| 11:30.18 | sunway | could lastcomm show which process create a certain file? |
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| 11:30.22 | Sty1 | how can i activate TCP/IP for ORBit? |
| 11:30.33 | Yellow | thx folks |
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| 11:30.43 | Yellow | will download sarge installer now |
| 11:30.53 | cahoot | heh |
| 11:30.54 | Yellow | damn.. etch installer |
| 11:31.04 | Yellow | srry :P |
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| 11:31.49 | marcin | Hi, is it possible to make initrd image if I have a kernel without modules support and I doesn't use kmodules. |
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| 11:32.24 | cahoot | the purpose being? |
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| 11:37.34 | FireAeon | cahoot: didn´t work anyway :(. I have double checked that server has the same plublic key that mine, still asking for password when ssh'ing :( |
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| 11:39.29 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:39.30 | dpkg | <Nexus> And how can I recursively shut off the sticky bit? <Nexus> greycat, Well, because I don't like it. :) Because I don't fully understand it and have never used it. |
| 11:40.39 | wols | marcin: what would you put in the initrd without modules? |
| 11:43.09 | susanne-- | so i'm using X over vnc and my keyboard map is all jacked. how to change it? |
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| 11:46.10 | wols | susanne--: what debian version? |
| 11:46.17 | wols | and jacked how? |
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| 11:51.33 | susanne-- | i open a terminal and try something like "ssh summerfuck" and i get "bbk7bmgvhmd'" |
| 11:51.53 | susanne-- | consistent in any keyboard interface box |
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| 11:54.56 | suteri_ | Hi all. |
| 11:55.54 | suteri_ | Where could I find information about passing options to kernel modules and the specific format to use? I'm trying to force my 8139too nic to half duplex. |
| 11:55.55 | adrakoa | susanne--: change the server's issue |
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| 11:56.55 | suteri_ | And I*m running Debian testing, with 2.6.22-2-amd64 kernel. |
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| 11:58.12 | adrakoa | suteri_: download the kernel.source and it has Documentation |
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| 11:58.46 | dacs | !dpkg ssl |
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| 12:04.23 | XoX | does bonding module in linux requires ethool installed for it to work? |
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| 12:05.25 | dacs | how can i get SSL for my apache2, i looked in the /etc/apache2 and couldn't find the SSL directory |
| 12:05.51 | cahoot | suteri_: should be able to pass the option via a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 12:09.52 | phogg | dacs: mod_ssl? |
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| 12:14.33 | suteri_ | adrakoa, cahoot: Thanks. |
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| 12:18.28 | Sty1 | Anyboy knows why only root can open the firefox? With the user: firefox starting, but after a short time it will be closed. |
| 12:19.18 | \amethyst | Sty1: do you get any error messages when you run it from the command line? |
| 12:19.52 | Sty1 | no |
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| 12:20.13 | Sty1 | when i will press the enter botton i land in the next line ... |
| 12:20.19 | Sty1 | and nothing happens |
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| 12:20.52 | \amethyst | not even any messages when it closes? |
| 12:20.59 | Coke | is there a cli tool that will burn files directly to an iso on a CD like growisofs would for a dvd? |
| 12:21.11 | dacs | phogg: are you saying i should install mod_ssl |
| 12:21.44 | wols | Sty1: create a new user, try to open ffox with that user |
| 12:22.40 | Sty1 | ok i will try it |
| 12:23.09 | \amethyst | Sty1: or you could even start firefox as an existing user, with a different profile |
| 12:23.09 | Sty1 | thx |
| 12:23.09 | \amethyst | Sty1: something like firefox -ProfileManager |
| 12:23.20 | \amethyst | then make a profile |
| 12:23.48 | Sty1 | ok |
| 12:24.32 | blq | hm.. I'm still working on my soundcard (nforce2 soundstorm onboard).. I've completely purged alsa-base, alsa-utils and linux-sound-base and reinstalled them, then I ran alsaconf and selected the proper sound device. Now cat /proc/asound/modules returns 0 snd_intel8x0 and cat /proc/asound/card returns the proper sound device. it's looking like speaker-test is working proper but I'm unable to hear anything. in alsamixer at least Master and PCM and some other are turned |
| 12:24.32 | blq | on. I don't know how to go on :( |
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| 12:27.37 | cahoot | blq: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should both unkute and set reasonable levels |
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| 12:27.42 | cahoot | unmute |
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| 12:29.08 | blq | cahoot: I still can't hear anything :/ |
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| 12:30.02 | cahoot | blq: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - any output? |
| 12:30.35 | blq | cahoot: no, should there be any? |
| 12:30.54 | cahoot | no just checking the device isn't occupied |
| 12:31.34 | blq | cahoot: okay |
| 12:32.12 | cahoot | blq: only further idea is - run alsamixer and test different settings there |
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| 12:32.52 | blq | cahoot: :( I allready tried that |
| 12:33.13 | susanne-- | i don't get this and i don't understand how to fix it. my X keymap under a vnc server is jacked; my keymap on the console is okay. how to fix? |
| 12:33.25 | blq | cahoot: is it possible that alsa is using the digital output instead of the direct one? |
| 12:33.31 | cahoot | yes |
| 12:34.04 | blq | cahoot: but that would be something I could controll via alsamixer, would it? |
| 12:34.15 | cahoot | rtaher that's one thing you could try to toggle in alsamixer |
| 12:37.20 | blq | cahoot: to be sure I now turned on everything - but still nothing happens :( |
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| 12:39.28 | mooper | is there a commandf line |
| 12:39.40 | mooper | tool for burning iso's to CD? |
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| 12:40.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | mooper: makeisofsm, wodim, cdrdao |
| 12:41.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Do you have your client set to automatically /msg people who talk? |
| 12:42.23 | blq | cahoot: thx anyway.. maybe I'll get it working some days :/ |
| 12:42.54 | mooper | ah poo, how do I register for freenode? |
| 12:43.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:43.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | mooper: ^ |
| 12:43.38 | mooper | ta Dark_Apostrophe |
| 12:43.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | np |
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| 12:56.49 | indraveni | help needed please |
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| 12:57.52 | adrakoa | help help |
| 12:58.15 | harpal | !ask |
| 12:58.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:02.48 | Dreamerwolf | Estou com problemas aki, montei um servidor NIS/NFS debian com estaçoes debian, agora quando entro via rdesktop em uma maquina ela cai depois de alguns minutos, o estranho é que isso so acontece na estaçao, no servidor ta tudo OK, o que pode ser??? |
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| 13:04.43 | mooper | !lart |
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| 13:05.41 | wols | !es |
| 13:05.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:05.42 | adrakoa | Dreamerwolf: dmesg? |
| 13:06.37 | adrakoa | !pt |
| 13:06.38 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:08.04 | cast | can someone remind me as to the name of the encrypted file infrastructure that recently got added to linux? |
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| 13:09.14 | Dreamerwolf | [adrakoa] O estranho é que se eu dar um rdesktop em uma maquina qualuer ele entra e quando dou o login e senha ele fecha, mas se eu der um login e senha errado e depois o certo ele entra mas depois de alguns segundos ele fecha sozinho |
| 13:10.09 | rubymonk | Dreamerwolf, Vai no #debian-pt, eles fala portuguese |
| 13:10.44 | cast | ahh. ecryptfs, [was reading something unrelated about unionfs and came accross it, heh] |
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| 13:14.15 | possie | can anyone tell me a good network speed tester, i forgot the name of a tooling, which you could specify tcp and udp packets |
| 13:14.15 | possie | i thought HP developed it |
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| 13:14.16 | neotic | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory if that fails, what's wrong? |
| 13:14.16 | neotic | a new install |
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| 13:16.53 | wols | !tell neotic about b-e |
| 13:17.34 | neotic | wols: :* |
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| 13:18.12 | kanaldrach1 | I get errorcode 10 and want to see the reason |
| 13:18.42 | kanaldrach1 | sed 's/CTRL-V ALT-RET$//' |
| 13:18.43 | wols | !tell kanaldrach1 about ba |
| 13:18.46 | wols | !tell kanaldrach1 about bat |
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| 13:20.45 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:20.48 | kanaldrach1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.53 | kanaldrach1 | *urg* |
| 13:21.01 | SamuraiDio | what develop package do i need to build apps with alsa support? |
| 13:21.13 | Wu_ | ...hi, I've some backporting doubts...I use debian etch and installed Nvidia drivers via module-assistant...taken sources from Sid and everything seemed ok until nvidia-glx installation, which required xserver-xorg-core version 1.2.4...I edited /debian/control.in erasing the version indication of xserver in Dependances and it installed...but still not sure if I acted correctly... |
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| 13:21.48 | \amethyst | SamuraiDio: libasound2-dev is the C development library for ALSA |
| 13:22.07 | SamuraiDio | \amethyst, tnx |
| 13:22.13 | kanaldrach1 | http://paste.debian.net/42588 |
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| 13:23.07 | \amethyst | kanaldrach1: so there's a problem in this package's postinst script |
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| 13:23.48 | \amethyst | kanaldrach1: you could try asking the people who gave you the package |
| 13:24.14 | \amethyst | kanaldrach1: or look in the script /var/lib/dpkg/info/mailversand.postinst to see what's failing |
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| 13:25.21 | \amethyst | kanaldrach1: you could try adding set -x at the top of the script then dpkg --confgure mailversand |
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| 13:26.00 | \amethyst | kanaldrach1: that will try again, but with shell script tracing turned on, so you can see exactly which line causes the error |
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| 13:28.15 | wols | Wu_: it will be fine |
| 13:29.25 | Wu_ | ...thanks a lot, wols...it seemed to have worked as 3d rendering is now enabled...but, as I'm still a newbie, I needed to be sure...:) thanks again... |
| 13:29.57 | wols | Wu_: as sure as one can be with proprietary software :) |
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| 13:30.21 | clinty | hello |
| 13:30.37 | clinty | in what file could i defined i want to use a clock in utc ? |
| 13:30.38 | Wu_ | ...yup, of course...but I've read somewhere there are good news about the new open drivers...:) |
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| 13:33.37 | kanaldrach1 | \amethyst: Thanks |
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| 13:34.13 | cahoot | clinty: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 13:35.20 | clinty | thanks a lot cahoot ! |
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| 13:44.07 | cast | http://rafb.net/p/e2eq1U70.txt any ideas whats causing ecryptfs-utils to fail to build? tried both vanilla sources and the sid src pkg |
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| 13:58.00 | stew | cast: try building it with gcc-3.4 |
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| 13:58.43 | \amethyst | cast: it's failing to #include <sys/wait.h> probably |
| 13:58.51 | cast | hmm, alright |
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| 14:04.44 | alexIdoia | hi |
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| 14:06.02 | alexIdoia | I badly used gparted and my computer does not start anymore, on a powerpc, the partition reserved for the apple boot (hfs) has been partition to ext3, is there a way I could partion it back to hfs and restart my system without having to reinstall the whole thing + |
| 14:06.49 | cast | hmm, 3.4 had the same problem |
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| 14:07.42 | alexIdoia | 3,4 ? |
| 14:08.19 | cast | ahh not you alexIdoia |
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| 14:14.59 | Shazaum | hi all |
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| 14:19.49 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 14:19.49 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 14:23.52 | tarzeau | if i use exec() it checks PATH or not? |
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| 14:31.08 | Cripps | is there a way for me to set kpdf to load an entire pdf into memory so that I can go through it quickly? I have the option set for "agressive memory usage" (I have 2GB RAM), but it's still sluggish when I want scroll down to the next page in the file. |
| 14:32.24 | Penix | I now have a working bluetooth connection. yay |
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| 14:34.55 | rubymonk | Single user mode goes to init 1, right ? So a script in /etc/rc1.d/ will be executed, right ? |
| 14:35.39 | \amethyst | rubymonk: no |
| 14:35.40 | \amethyst | rubymonk: single-user is S |
| 14:35.50 | rubymonk | rcS.d ? |
| 14:35.53 | \amethyst | rubymonk: err, it's S on boot, 1 when you go down to single-user from multi-user |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:36.15 | rubymonk | ok, So If a script is there, it will be run, right ? |
| 14:36.23 | mogra | if you "init 1", it's rc1.d, for isntance |
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| 14:36.30 | \amethyst | rubymonk: when booting into single-user mode, yes |
| 14:36.39 | rubymonk | \amethyst, Great, thank you :) |
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| 14:41.15 | cast | night guys |
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| 14:41.33 | Shazaum | night |
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| 14:45.29 | maul^ | I started my debian, now it asks me for my username&password via GUI. when debian is in that state, I cannot connect it via VNC. what should I do? |
| 14:46.58 | drc | connect to it via ssh and try to fix it |
| 14:47.02 | drc | :P |
| 14:47.34 | abrotman | i think he wants to use VNC at the DM |
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| 14:54.20 | stew | Sheogorath: please turn that off in here |
| 14:55.06 | Sheogorath | stew: I was just a test, i didn't know that it makes a amsg on all my servers. |
| 14:55.14 | Sheogorath | an* |
| 14:55.23 | bolt | maul^: set up some sort of auto-login, perhaps? (INSECURE!) |
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| 14:55.37 | triplc | hi all |
| 14:56.02 | g00se | Is it necessary to have vim.full to get syntax highlighting? |
| 14:56.04 | maul^ | bolt: I cannot, because of security |
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| 14:57.19 | abrotman | g00se: try :syntax on |
| 14:57.20 | bolt | g00se: just create a .vimrc in your home directory and put "syntax on" in it |
| 14:57.44 | g00se | I just did that and i got .. hang on ... |
| 14:58.42 | bolt | g00se: i use vim.basic. that has syntax highlighting. |
| 14:58.45 | g00se | E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version |
| 14:59.07 | bolt | then you're probably on tiny |
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| 15:00.12 | g00se | bolt: You're right. So it's >= basic? |
| 15:00.37 | bolt | g00se: afaik |
| 15:00.39 | triplc | How to get a LD_PRELOAD "automatically" for some specific application/program? I have an xvnkb.so file, which allows me to type Vietnamese whenever it is linked with a program. For example, when I want to type Vietnamese in office, I run "LD_PRELOAD=~/bin/lib/xvnkb.so ooffice". I do not want to type Vietnamese in all programs (for example, not in terminal program)... but some. Currently I have to write bash script for each program I need, which is quite inc |
| 15:02.56 | bolt | triplc: write a bash script that accepts a variable for the program to execute? or just do "alias viet=LD_PRELOAD....." and do viet ooffice |
| 15:03.08 | g00se | bolt: Thanks. Something odd - Etch seems to have only vim-tiny and vim-full (?) |
| 15:03.16 | abrotman | then install full |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | or learn how to code without syntax highlighting :) |
| 15:03.34 | g00se | abrotman: It's massive |
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| 15:03.38 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
| 15:04.21 | g00se | bolt: What are you running to have basic? |
| 15:04.48 | triplc | bolt, yeah... that's what I have... but I have to call that scripts whenever I need that. For example, IceWeasel calls ooffice directly without calling my scripts... so, in order to tell iceweasel... i have to reconfigure iceweal... same with thunar... etc.etc which is quite inconvenient |
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| 15:05.23 | bolt | triplc: then replace whatever command iceweasel probably runs with your script |
| 15:05.30 | abrotman | Shazaum: please stop with public annoucements |
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| 15:06.02 | cahoot | that's hard on irc |
| 15:06.05 | triplc | ah |
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| 15:06.16 | bolt | g00se: i don't think i'm on any specific release anymore. i'm on an intel mac mini, so i've mixed and matched until i got what i wanted |
| 15:06.17 | MicroChip32 | how do i go about rconfiguring and recompiling the kernel from the command line ??? i cant find menuconfig |
| 15:06.19 | Shazaum | abrotman: why? |
| 15:06.44 | abrotman | Shazaum: because no one in here cares that you are eating |
| 15:06.46 | bolt | g00se: however, i think i just did apt-get install vim and used update-alternatives, which still lists vim.basic as an editor |
| 15:06.57 | FastPutty | hi guys, someone got an idea why i so many "TCP ACKed lost segment" with tshark in debian. I have 2 lan linked. m debian works as a router tat let pass everything from both way |
| 15:07.04 | g00se | bolt: OK. I'll look into that |
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| 15:07.58 | \amethyst | g00se: vim.basic comes from package 'vim' |
| 15:08.21 | wols | MicroChip32: make menuconfig it is |
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| 15:08.42 | g00se | amethyst: Thanks. All very confusing |
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| 15:10.08 | MicroChip32 | wols : from what dir |
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| 15:10.44 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 15:10.54 | Haris | I put in a 3rd NIC and this box is not detecting it |
| 15:10.57 | bolt | MicroChip32: you don't sound like someone who should be building his own kernel... |
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| 15:11.14 | abrotman | Haris: dmesg and lspci |
| 15:11.16 | bartden | hi, how do i extract a certain directory out of a tar file ? |
| 15:11.32 | MicroChip32 | bolt, well ive never done it on debian, used to do it on redhat all the time, but the dirs appear to be all different, or else im missing a module or two |
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| 15:11.50 | g00se | bolt: Your suggestion was available after using amethyst's. Thanks folks |
| 15:12.03 | Haris | That's what I'm worried about. dmesg has no mention of it. Trying lspci as soon as the box boots up |
| 15:12.03 | bolt | g00se: np |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | !tell MicroChip32 about kp |
| 15:12.28 | jelly | bartden: tar xf archive.tar your/directory |
| 15:12.28 | MicroChip32 | abrotman : thanks |
| 15:12.48 | Haris | Ok |
| 15:12.59 | wols | MicroChip32: from your kernel source dir |
| 15:12.59 | Haris | I have three NIC mentioned, 1 3COM and 2 Intels |
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| 15:13.31 | MicroChip32 | yep, didnt have the kernel/build packages |
| 15:13.49 | Haris | Ah I see |
| 15:13.58 | Haris | etch wants me to manually setup the interface for it?\ |
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| 15:14.23 | Haris | abrotman: After 2 reboots, there's no mention of the new NIC |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | so set it up |
| 15:14.44 | Haris | is that how etch works? |
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| 15:15.10 | abrotman | hi dacs |
| 15:15.25 | dacs | am good how about you |
| 15:15.26 | abrotman | Haris: that's how most OSs work |
| 15:15.32 | abrotman | fine .. peachy |
| 15:15.57 | FastPutty | guys, soneone has to tune anything in the sysctl of debian to make it as a extremly high firewall? |
| 15:16.05 | FastPutty | i have debian working as router, but i lost so many tcp segment |
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| 15:16.24 | FastPutty | because i recieve a lot of tcp ack segment |
| 15:16.29 | FastPutty | so i los a couple of it |
| 15:17.24 | wols | what are "ack segments" and why would your lose them? |
| 15:17.28 | Haris | abrotman: fc doesn't do it like this. It does auto-detect and setup hardware with kudzu on bootup |
| 15:17.32 | Haris | Ok |
| 15:17.41 | abrotman | Haris: just set it up .. it's not hard |
| 15:17.49 | Haris | Already done |
| 15:17.52 | abrotman | Haris: if you want a magic OS .. use one |
| 15:18.20 | Haris | with 3 NIC, 1 for lan and 2 for 2 different ISPs, should I setup the second's gateway in interfaces file as well or is that a no no? |
| 15:18.28 | FastPutty | wols: i have no idea |
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| 15:18.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:18.50 | wols | FastPutty: if you have no idea what an ack segment is, why are you talking about them? |
| 15:18.53 | Haris | abrotman: Its just a feature. The more automated management, the less headache to the sys admin and easy mgmt :p |
| 15:19.02 | abrotman | Haris: quit being so lazy |
| 15:19.07 | Haris | Ok :p |
| 15:19.09 | bolt | FastPutty: does losing these segments somehow affect your network? |
| 15:19.14 | Haris | how about the gateway? |
| 15:19.16 | FastPutty | bolt: of course |
| 15:19.17 | Haris | can I have 2? |
| 15:19.20 | FastPutty | bolt: it fast for 3 first min |
| 15:19.25 | FastPutty | bolt: and it come slow with time |
| 15:19.44 | abrotman | you don't even know what they are .. how can you know if they affect your network |
| 15:19.57 | FastPutty | becuas epople use the firewall as a router to get information in the other side of the network |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | Haris: you can have tons of routes .. but only one default gateway |
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| 15:20.25 | FastPutty | wols: i am talking abotu it ebcause my network is rpetty slow |
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| 15:20.33 | FastPutty | wols>: and im pretty or almost sure it because of it |
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| 15:20.43 | wols | FastPutty: you still ahven't answered my questions. talk to me if you can |
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| 15:20.52 | Haris | I suspect a quick /etc/init.d/network restart and the third interface should be up |
| 15:20.52 | wols | FastPutty: because of WHAT? |
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| 15:21.14 | FastPutty | wols: because my network is super slow |
| 15:21.17 | s-andy | hi! what is the best solution to connect two offices by vpn? currently we are using openvpn... |
| 15:21.24 | FastPutty | Wols: i cannot comunicate from eth0 to eth1... |
| 15:21.39 | wols | FastPutty: you are talking nonsense. repeat after me: think, _then_ write |
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| 15:21.43 | FastPutty | well i could for the 3 first min, then it lag after |
| 15:22.04 | abrotman | s-andy: seems like a good one |
| 15:22.09 | MicroChip32 | sounds like worm infection to me |
| 15:22.17 | FastPutty | ok listen, when a computer in the eth1 try to talk with a server in eth0, it works for the 3 first min, then start lagging after... |
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| 15:22.36 | FastPutty | after what i see with tshark, i lost many tcp ack segment |
| 15:22.38 | Haris | Nope the third interface is NOT up |
| 15:22.49 | wols | FastPutty: what generates all those acks? |
| 15:23.14 | Haris | abrotman: Do I need a reboot after adding a physical interface into /etc/network/interfaces for it to work? |
| 15:23.21 | wols | Haris: ifconfig -a. all 3 interfaces present (plus lo)? |
| 15:23.24 | FastPutty | wols: actually i am not sure |
| 15:23.27 | wols | Haris: no |
| 15:23.41 | Haris | wols: Yep and sit0 too |
| 15:23.43 | s-andy | abrotman: what about the speed? the transfer between network will be around 5 Mbit.... |
| 15:23.48 | Haris | ifconfig -a has it |
| 15:23.51 | Haris | ifconfig doesn't |
| 15:24.04 | wols | Haris: pastebin your interfaces |
| 15:24.09 | FastPutty | wols: thats why i need someone help to figure out the issue |
| 15:24.29 | bolt | Haris: ifconfig ethwhatever up |
| 15:24.35 | FastPutty | wols: i think poeple send data that make those ack segment lost happen |
| 15:24.50 | wols | FastPutty: you are a genius! |
| 15:24.53 | wols | people send data! |
| 15:24.54 | FastPutty | wols: from eth1 to eth0, there's a lot of little packet passing no stop.. |
| 15:25.08 | wols | FastPutty: where are those packets coming from? |
| 15:25.13 | Haris | wols: http://pastebin.ca/777119 |
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| 15:25.30 | Haris | eth2 is the new one |
| 15:25.33 | MrKeuner | hi, I cannot connect to OFTC recently is there a problem? |
| 15:25.42 | FastPutty | wols: i mean data... a lot of little text file goes trough it |
| 15:25.48 | Haris | that's my new adsl connection |
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| 15:25.56 | wols | Haris: auto eth2 helps. a lot |
| 15:26.13 | Haris | :p |
| 15:26.16 | Haris | missed that |
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| 15:26.34 | FastPutty | wols: i have my other firewall on and it work pretty good |
| 15:26.43 | Haris | B|ngo! |
| 15:26.55 | FastPutty | wols: because it wan to lan |
| 15:26.58 | Haris | after restarting network its up |
| 15:27.02 | Outlaw84 | I am trying to find out which mailheader is used by mail client to thread emails. Does anyone in here know or of a channel where they might know? |
| 15:27.02 | FastPutty | wols: i lost segment packet when i am on lan to lan |
| 15:27.03 | Haris | I can ping the gateway |
| 15:27.15 | Haris | Ok, I have squid going out through eth0 on this box right now |
| 15:27.31 | Haris | What I want to do is throw all browsing traffic on eth2 and still have eth0 set as default gw |
| 15:27.33 | wols | Outlaw84: there is none. at least no standardized one |
| 15:27.33 | dacs | Haris: don't you have dhcp |
| 15:27.37 | FastPutty | wols: something i flooding my network i guess right? |
| 15:27.40 | Haris | Will it work? |
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| 15:27.53 | FastPutty | wols>: it make the debian slow down, can i tweak ip information, maybe it would help |
| 15:27.56 | Haris | dacs: For some unexplainable reason, I despise dhcp |
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| 15:28.06 | FastPutty | i heard about the MTU also |
| 15:28.10 | Haris | I mean I try to avoid it unless its absolutely necessary |
| 15:28.13 | DeathWolf | Hello, when I do ps aux, I see uids rather than usernames, what can cause that? |
| 15:28.15 | Haris | I like static IPs |
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| 15:28.27 | wols | FastPutty: I asked you tons of questions. you ignored all of them, so I think now I reciprocrate |
| 15:28.38 | Haris | dacs: But .. dhcp for what in context? |
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| 15:28.44 | dacs | Haris: is this a wireless |
| 15:28.55 | Haris | eth0 is wireless cir |
| 15:29.00 | FastPutty | wols: i dont get anything of your question |
| 15:29.10 | FastPutty | wols: i thought i have asnwering you all already |
| 15:29.14 | Haris | same up/down |
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| 15:29.17 | wols | I don't get anything of your english too. we're even |
| 15:29.18 | dacs | Haris: and you are having a problem with eth0 |
| 15:29.21 | Outlaw84 | wols: oh, damn that bad.. hum then I'll have to do some kind of content-check instead :/ thanks for the info |
| 15:29.23 | Haris | dacs: Nope |
| 15:29.29 | Haris | dacs: Not having a problem with any if now |
| 15:29.43 | Haris | dacs: Just want to know if I can have traffic move in and out through multiple interfaces |
| 15:29.44 | dacs | oh you got it working |
| 15:29.49 | Haris | (Y) |
| 15:29.54 | wols | Outlaw84: usually MUas use things like subject, dates, x-in-reference-to, message ids, etc |
| 15:29.55 | Haris | *thumbs up* |
| 15:29.58 | Haris | yes |
| 15:30.00 | wols | but nothing in the protocol that does it |
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| 15:30.14 | dacs | Haris: you will need to use iptables |
| 15:30.38 | dacs | Haris: but please don't take my works for granted i am still a n00be |
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| 15:31.00 | FastPutty | wols: i see, if you dont want to help and cannot, you don't need to do like you could... |
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| 15:31.21 | FastPutty | wols: sorry for my english, i am living not in a english country... |
| 15:31.38 | Haris | dacs: I'v been using iptables for a long time now ;) |
| 15:31.48 | FastPutty | wols: i learn my english myself, so i guess it good enough :) |
| 15:32.02 | abrotman | not really |
| 15:32.14 | dacs | Haris: well i think you got it all down |
| 15:32.19 | xerophyte | how can i change hostname without rebooting the server .. i have edit the file /etc/hostname and hostname new.hostname.com .. is that good enough |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | xerophyte: some services may have taken the hostname at boot though |
| 15:32.59 | dacs | xerophyte: /reload or restart |
| 15:33.20 | Aw0L | how do I add support for something when I install a package - like installing rsync with acl support? |
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| 15:34.19 | xerophyte | dacs: reload or restart ? of what .. do you mean services which runs on the servers ? |
| 15:34.51 | dacs | xerophyte: yes |
| 15:35.03 | dacs | xerophyte: are you using apache2 |
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| 15:35.57 | Haris | Time to get off work |
| 15:36.02 | Haris | later people |
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| 15:36.09 | dacs | Haris: same here |
| 15:36.11 | dacs | :) |
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| 15:37.11 | dacs | Adios people |
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| 15:47.27 | bony | i am facing problems with configuring adsl modem with my debian system. this modem is connected to the system through USB cable since there is no other option like ethernet for the modem this is the only way to connect the modem to system. can any one help me out in configuring the system so that i can start using the net? |
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| 15:48.11 | harpal | How to create swap filesystem? |
| 15:48.18 | wols | bony: does the modem give you a ethernet interface? |
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| 15:48.26 | wols | harpal: man mkswap |
| 15:48.42 | bony | wols, how to check that? |
| 15:48.43 | Aw0L | harpal, mkswap /dev/hdx (for IDE drives) |
| 15:48.51 | wols | bony: ifconfig -a |
| 15:48.53 | bony | wols, i tried with pppoeconf command |
| 15:48.54 | wols | Aw0L: NO. |
| 15:48.54 | Aw0L | too slow |
| 15:49.01 | Aw0L | wols, why not? |
| 15:49.16 | wols | one doesn't want to make a _wholw_ harddisk swap |
| 15:49.22 | wols | *whole |
| 15:49.26 | Aw0L | whoops |
| 15:49.29 | bony | wols, i can see only one ethernet |
| 15:49.29 | Aw0L | you're right |
| 15:49.30 | Aw0L | sorry |
| 15:49.31 | Aw0L | !! |
| 15:49.31 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 15:49.35 | cahoot | unless a dedicated one |
| 15:49.39 | Aw0L | okay, mkswap /dev/hdxx |
| 15:49.41 | Aw0L | :) |
| 15:49.52 | wols | bony: and this ethernet is which? |
| 15:50.02 | harpal | Aw0L, wols, thanks |
| 15:50.12 | Aw0L | harpal, I'm not awake yet, listen to wols |
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| 15:50.37 | oramirez | which debian package contains ifconfig ? |
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| 15:50.59 | Aw0L | so, how do you install a package with support? I want rsync w/ acl support for instance...? |
| 15:50.59 | bony | wols, eth0 |
| 15:51.04 | wols | oramirez: dpkg -S /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:51.18 | wols | bony: is your eth0 your usb device, yes or no? |
| 15:51.20 | bony | wols, there is a ethernet card on the system may the eth0 is for that |
| 15:51.23 | Aw0L | yeah, I can't even ask a coherent question today |
| 15:51.31 | bony | wols, no its not the usb device |
| 15:51.40 | wols | bony: lsusb |
| 15:51.57 | harpal | ok |
| 15:51.57 | bony | ok |
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| 15:52.02 | bony | wols, ok i did that |
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| 15:52.05 | dokma | hey guys! |
| 15:52.21 | megasquid | anyone know if there is a debian etch package for apache activemq? |
| 15:52.22 | dokma | which password encryption is used for users passwords? |
| 15:52.39 | wols | dokma: none. it's a hash. man crypt |
| 15:52.56 | dokma | wols thanks! |
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| 15:53.41 | abrotman | wols: unless you choose md5 ? |
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| 15:54.54 | wols | abrotman: probably |
| 15:54.54 | oramirez | wols, thank you. |
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| 15:59.23 | DeathWolf | for some reason, the group of my /proc is set to one of the user's group... is there any reason that could explain that? |
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| 16:07.02 | gordo | is anyone here good at fixing C++ codes? |
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| 16:07.58 | gordo | i need some help with a parroll program and i cant figure whats wrong with the code i wrote in C++ |
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| 16:08.15 | zinx | gordo: try #C++ |
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| 16:08.58 | gordo | sorry im cind of new at programming what do you mean by that |
| 16:09.06 | gordo | kind* |
| 16:09.08 | wols | gordo: that you are in the wrong channel |
| 16:09.21 | gordo | o ok thanks |
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| 16:18.48 | bahadunn | anyone ever heard of such a thing as an invisible packet? |
| 16:19.07 | bahadunn | a packet that crosses an interface yet no packet sniffing of anything can see it? |
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| 16:21.16 | wols | either the kernel sees it or it's not transmitted |
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| 16:22.38 | bahadunn | yep |
| 16:22.58 | bahadunn | some guy is telling me he can float invisible packets right past me without me seeing them on the interface |
| 16:23.08 | esaym | is there a way to use "ssh-copy-id" with a different port? |
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| 16:23.25 | m4lu7 | OY. debian testing installer is giving me fits... |
| 16:23.47 | m4lu7 | I choose guided setup, use entire disk, LVM ... |
| 16:23.56 | m4lu7 | single partition, |
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| 16:24.41 | m4lu7 | then onto "install base system, it grabs some debs ... gets right about to libc6 and *whoppa!* (without sound effects), and error. "Failure to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc" ... |
| 16:25.13 | m4lu7 | should I just drop to a console, and mkdir /target/proc & try again?? |
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| 16:28.16 | alan` | how can i install NX on Sarge? |
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| 16:30.12 | m4lu7 | well. copying /bin/mount to target/bin helped it get past the mount issue .. turns out that /target/bin/mount didn't exist, which would explain why the chroot /target mount -t ... didn't work. then it failed on dpkg. it's not in /target/bin ... guess this weekly snapshot is borked. |
| 16:30.21 | blistov_ | i'm trying to get NetworkManager and knetworkmanager working on an eeePC. for some reason, knetworkmanager is recognising my atheros chip (wifi) as wired, and not seeingg the wired device at all. any ideas? |
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| 16:30.50 | alan` | o eeePC's are nice |
| 16:30.59 | mbroeker | bahadunn, take a look at this page: http://www.honeynet.org/tools/sebek/ and google for it. |
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| 16:31.41 | h3sp4wn | alan`: afaik the wifi driver has not been added to madwifi yet but otherwise they are ok |
| 16:31.43 | mandel | hi, I have dual screen setup. When I try to play a video on the second screen, the video data still get displayed on the first screen. (I sue the fglrx driver) |
| 16:31.49 | alan` | o yeah |
| 16:31.56 | alan` | i was just about to write use the madwifi drivers |
| 16:32.20 | h3sp4wn | alan`: they added it ? or did you get xandros to release the stuff from their fork ? |
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| 16:32.39 | alan` | no i thought madwifi would support it |
| 16:32.41 | skyweb | hi to all |
| 16:32.48 | alan` | i'll check it out though |
| 16:32.57 | bahadunn | mbroeker: what about it? |
| 16:33.15 | alan` | h3sp4wn: do you know anything about NX? |
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| 16:33.18 | skyweb | i'm searching program to mirror ftp site (and eventually sync always to it) any suggestion? |
| 16:33.30 | skyweb | from console |
| 16:33.32 | alan` | or why when i use VNC all i get is a gray screen and nothing loads |
| 16:33.37 | h3sp4wn | alan`: I use NX |
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| 16:33.45 | mbroeker | bahadunn, you have asked something that belongs to that page. another keyword will be rootkits |
| 16:33.57 | h3sp4wn | alan`: But I set it up once and it has been fine since |
| 16:35.03 | alan` | i'm trying to set up NX |
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| 16:35.12 | alan` | but debian took nxagent outta the respository |
| 16:35.37 | h3sp4wn | I use the binary nomachine client |
| 16:36.19 | FastPutty | is that normal that when i open my program and it goes trough my debanf irewall i receive those message: http://pastebin.com/m67b6edc8 |
| 16:36.21 | alan` | i have NX working on my Fedora server, it just won't work on this, and this is the good one outta my 3 servers in my basement |
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| 16:36.45 | megasquid | i'm installing a binary version of software, where's the best location to install the software? |
| 16:37.12 | mbroeker | megasquid, /opt/ or /usr/local i think |
| 16:37.45 | megasquid | mbroeker, thanks, what is the /opt directory for? |
| 16:37.50 | megasquid | never used it before |
| 16:38.04 | mbroeker | optional packages ? |
| 16:38.23 | h3sp4wn | alan`: I got some deb's from somewhere I think perhaps kanotix |
| 16:39.28 | snacky | can anyone (especially wols ) suggest what is their favorite command-line IMAP client? |
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| 16:43.07 | RedFoxy | hi all |
| 16:43.48 | RedFoxy | boys I've a troubles with my debian etch, i just update it with apt and it upgrade my perl, now i've that error on perl: Can't locate object method "new" via package "Net::FTP" at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm line 74. |
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| 16:45.05 | RedFoxy | that's a know bug |
| 16:45.08 | RedFoxy | or what? |
| 16:45.15 | RedFoxy | i've 2 servers with that trouble! |
| 16:45.50 | RedFoxy | there is no way to roll back or to fix it? |
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| 16:46.05 | jelly | RedFoxy: things in /usr/local aren't part of debian |
| 16:46.08 | drc | sure, have you backuped your system |
| 16:46.28 | RedFoxy | jelly what? |
| 16:46.38 | drc | he means, go to perl |
| 16:46.41 | RedFoxy | i'm a very silly of perl :P |
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| 16:46.59 | azeem | RedFoxy: Debian doesn't touch /usr/local, so get support from whoever put the files there |
| 16:47.04 | jelly | RedFoxy: you have a locally installed Net::FTP module, Debian doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 16:47.09 | blistov_ | bah, what is the madwifi package name in deb? |
| 16:47.20 | cahoot | driveropts in wodim.conf - comma separated or space? |
| 16:47.21 | h3sp4wn | blistov_: Its only in non-free (as madwifi-source) |
| 16:47.31 | RedFoxy | when i use perl -MCPAN -e shell |
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| 16:47.39 | RedFoxy | or when i try to use phpize or php-config |
| 16:47.44 | RedFoxy | i get that error |
| 16:47.56 | azeem | RedFoxy: 17:43 < azeem> RedFoxy: Debian doesn't touch /usr/local, so get support from whoever put the files there |
| 16:48.02 | blistov_ | h3sp4wn, whats that mean? i'm from gentooland where everything is really really easy. |
| 16:48.16 | RedFoxy | azeem: what do you mean? |
| 16:48.25 | azeem | RedFoxy: what part did you not understand? |
| 16:48.25 | drc | RedFoxy: go to #perl |
| 16:48.27 | drc | or somewhere else |
| 16:48.37 | h3sp4wn | RedFoxy: I am guessing you used cpan right ? |
| 16:48.48 | RedFoxy | azeem: so get support from whoever put the files there |
| 16:49.06 | azeem | RedFoxy: who installed /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm on your system? |
| 16:49.08 | RedFoxy | h3sp4wn: under perl -MCPA -e shell when i du upgrade i get that erro |
| 16:49.14 | azeem | RedFoxy: if nobody except you is admin, you should fix it yourself |
| 16:49.30 | RedFoxy | azeem ho sorry, sure it's here |
| 16:49.41 | RedFoxy | # la /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm |
| 16:49.42 | RedFoxy | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 45340 2007-05-19 15:56 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm |
| 16:49.58 | azeem | RedFoxy: right |
| 16:49.59 | h3sp4wn | RedFoxy: You should have used - dh-make-perl |
| 16:50.03 | azeem | RedFoxy: and Debian didn't put it there |
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| 16:50.16 | blistov_ | So, if I install madwifi-source (i'm used to compiling myself .. gentoo) should networkmanager start working? |
| 16:50.24 | RedFoxy | h3sp4wn: what is it??' |
| 16:50.39 | alan` | blistov_: most likely |
| 16:50.43 | h3sp4wn | RedFoxy: for makeing debian-packages of perl modules (that are not already in debian) |
| 16:50.44 | alan` | it depends if its supported or not |
| 16:50.51 | flami | blistov_, you know how to compile the kernel module ? |
| 16:50.56 | h3sp4wn | blistov_: use module-assistant to build it |
| 16:50.57 | blistov_ | I'm so confused. how do you set use flags :) ? how do i know if apt-get install ettercap will get a build thats been compiled with gtk support? |
| 16:50.59 | RedFoxy | i never used it |
| 16:51.05 | RedFoxy | h3sp4wn: i never used it |
| 16:51.07 | jelly | !find Net/FTP.pm etch |
| 16:51.25 | Nyle | hi |
| 16:51.33 | flami | blistov_, you type m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi , and it does all you need . then install madwifi-tools too |
| 16:51.34 | blistov_ | h3sp4wn, I know how to do anything that is specifically linux. Anything with regards to apt-get or debian specific, i'm at a lloss. |
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| 16:52.00 | h3sp4wn | blistov_: you can patch madwifi into your own kernel if you want |
| 16:52.05 | jelly | dpkg: you are slow |
| 16:52.05 | dpkg | jelly: what are you talking about? |
| 16:52.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Net/FTP.pm' (2): (/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm) in perl/perl-modules ;; (/usr/lib/maxdb/devtools/bin/Net/FTP.pm) in devel/maxdb-buildtools. |
| 16:52.33 | Nyle | dpkg is a p3 512mb bot |
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| 16:52.46 | Nyle | shouldn't be that slow, but dunno how many people are using the bot at the same time |
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| 16:52.55 | blistov_ | urg... so if i do apt-get install madwifi-source (done) what does it actually do? doesn't look like it compiled anything. where would it put the source? |
| 16:53.23 | azeem | using !find is always slow |
| 16:53.29 | azeem | it's an external process which is slow |
| 16:53.48 | bolt | blinx: /usr/src, methinks |
| 16:53.54 | bolt | blinx: or your home dir |
| 16:53.54 | flami | blistov_, look above i wrote what you need to do |
| 16:54.06 | bolt | er. blistov_ |
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| 16:54.09 | stew | blistov_: the source is install with /usr/src ; you would compile it with m-a: /msg dpkg madwifi-insatll |
| 16:54.13 | stew | err |
| 16:54.14 | RedFoxy | ho shit! |
| 16:54.16 | RedFoxy | # locate FTP.pm |
| 16:54.17 | RedFoxy | /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/Net/FTP.pm |
| 16:54.17 | RedFoxy | /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm |
| 16:54.17 | RedFoxy | /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm |
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| 16:54.18 | jelly | RedFoxy: you have installed things with CPAN that now clash with Debian provided parts of perl. Rename/remove that file (/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm) and try again. Ask #perl about what is really going on. |
| 16:54.21 | stew | blistov_: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 16:54.36 | jelly | RedFoxy: you have installed things with CPAN that now clash with Debian provided parts of perl. Rename/remove that file (/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/FTP.pm) and try again. Ask #perl about what is really going on. |
| 16:54.40 | RedFoxy | it's normal to have 3 FTP.pm? :P |
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| 16:55.05 | stew | RedFoxy: its normal to only have the last one, which is the one that was installed by debian |
| 16:55.23 | RedFoxy | stew: mmmm |
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| 16:56.24 | bolt | RedFoxy: no! don't you eat stew! |
| 16:56.26 | stew | RedFoxy: what does "which perl" return? |
| 16:56.38 | azeem | bolt: please stop confusing people |
| 16:56.54 | bolt | azeem: ? |
| 16:56.57 | RedFoxy | # which perl |
| 16:56.58 | RedFoxy | /usr/bin/perl |
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| 16:58.18 | jelly | RedFoxy: how many modules have you installed with cpan? If you don't know any better, you can remove _everything_ from /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 and just install the things you need again |
| 16:58.41 | bolt | azeem: what? iirc, i've done that one time the last half a year or so, and that was already 5 minutes ago... |
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| 16:59.06 | RedFoxy | jelly: i can do it but i think that's abnormal to have 2 per directories, 5.8.4 and 5.8.8 |
| 16:59.47 | mogra | Wow... I think I'm creating monsters... one of my students just got into a fight that started as a Linux vs Windows arguement. o.o |
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| 17:00.39 | flami | you mean like beating up people ? ... I knew it Weenydoze makes people asocial . |
| 17:01.27 | mogra | something like that, more like, a g4m3r and one of my Linux OS students got into an arguement that got fists flying. |
| 17:01.42 | RedFoxy | mmm |
| 17:01.48 | azeem | bolt: hrm? |
| 17:02.00 | RedFoxy | jelly and azeem: i just do mv /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm /tmp and now it goes |
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| 17:02.08 | flami | yeah g4m3rs . baad breed ;) |
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| 17:02.30 | mogra | flami: the truth |
| 17:02.36 | bolt | azeem: you told me to stop confusing people, and i didn't understand why you told me that |
| 17:02.44 | azeem | 17:52 < bolt> RedFoxy: no! don't you eat stew! |
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| 17:03.04 | flami | ! M 4 1337 H4xxOR ! |
| 17:03.16 | RedFoxy | he? |
| 17:03.20 | stew | RedFoxy: in general you should avoid using CPAN directly on debian. many of the things you would normally install from CPAN (such as Net::FTP) are available as debian pacakges. in the rare case that what you need isn't packaged, use dh-make-perl to automatically build a package from a cpan module |
| 17:03.48 | mogra | flami: I think the term is script kiddy |
| 17:03.51 | jelly | RedFoxy: Thinking is irrelevant. Instead, learn about Perl @INC variable (path for locaing modules) and where CPAN installs things by default. |
| 17:03.53 | RedFoxy | stew: how do I use it? |
| 17:03.54 | mogra | :3 |
| 17:04.06 | bolt | azeem: your point being..? <RedFoxy> stew: mmmm | <bolt> RedFoxy: no! don't you eat stew! |
| 17:04.18 | RedFoxy | bolt: lol |
| 17:04.22 | flami | yeah the ones that always bombard my apache trying to find phpmyadmin ;) |
| 17:04.48 | SpeedyG | flami: anoying innit? :) |
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| 17:05.06 | SpeedyG | caused me to move it to a subdir of /var/www/ |
| 17:05.08 | jelly | stew: CPAN is a great way to avoid giving root privileges to Perl devel guys |
| 17:05.11 | SpeedyG | instead the maindir |
| 17:05.19 | flami | yeah espacially because nothing is in the default folder ... |
| 17:05.27 | stew | RedFoxy: aptitude install dh-make-perl ; man dh-make-perl |
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| 17:05.48 | jelly | stew: and dh-make-perl doesn't do recursive dependencies |
| 17:06.30 | RedFoxy | stew i'm installing it |
| 17:06.36 | jelly | (well, as far as I know. I've mostly used it as d-m-p --build --cpan Single::Module) |
| 17:06.46 | bolt | bah. never mind |
| 17:07.01 | azeem | bolt: how does "mmm" have anything to do with eating? |
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| 17:07.05 | stew | RedFoxy: again, you should normally not need it. you wouldn't need it for the modules you have mentioned so far |
| 17:07.16 | jelly | azeem: Stew. Mmmm. Yummy. |
| 17:07.28 | stew | seriously, guys, thanks for all the hilights |
| 17:07.31 | azeem | jelly: yes, but how does that have anything to do with Debian support? |
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| 17:07.33 | RedFoxy | stew: i use mcpan only for spamassassin |
| 17:07.34 | bolt | azeem: well it is something you might say looking at good food as, for instance, stew. just drop the matter, would you? |
| 17:07.40 | stew | jelly: well using CPAN causes the problems he is having as well |
| 17:07.41 | jelly | azeem: it doesn't |
| 17:07.44 | azeem | bolt: you picked it up again |
| 17:07.46 | RedFoxy | stew: because the package is too old |
| 17:07.58 | bolt | azeem: i just said never mind. so never mind. |
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| 17:10.04 | jelly | is there a bot command to search volatile? |
| 17:10.07 | s-andy | hi, why this command may not work: /sbin/tc filter add dev eth1 parent 3: protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip dst x.x.x.x flowid 3:16? |
| 17:10.20 | s-andy | returns: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 17:10.27 | jelly | spamassassin sounds like one of the things that could be in volatile. |
| 17:10.28 | Eulex | can I get the cpu usage per thread and cpu of a process? |
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| 17:11.10 | twiggz | weechat > * |
| 17:11.39 | blistov_ | thanks flami |
| 17:11.42 | blistov_ | i'm workin' on it. |
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| 17:12.48 | jelly | RedFoxy: and indeed, there is spamassassin 3.2.3 in volatile. |
| 17:12.50 | blistov_ | I think though, that the more I use someone elses binaries, the more I realise how much I'd rather compile my own one the cluster, and install from there. |
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| 17:15.02 | DarkBahamut | hi everyone |
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| 17:16.56 | mogra | would adding /var/lib/mysql to a backup script instead of "dump" command be more efficient? |
| 17:16.58 | blistov_ | bah, need eeepc kernel headers. |
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| 17:17.57 | Maliuta | mogra: that depends on what you want to backup |
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| 17:18.43 | mogra | Maliuta: for example? |
| 17:19.10 | Maliuta | mogra: the dump has value over a copy of the files in that you can import into a new DB instance and get all the data and table structure back easily. trying to re-init with just the files would require futzing about with the mysql config frist |
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| 17:19.31 | DarkBahamut | does anyone know how to fix acpi? |
| 17:19.42 | mogra | Maliuta: in that case, keeping the dump command. |
| 17:19.46 | mogra | thanks :) |
| 17:19.59 | Maliuta | mogra: you need to realise that there is more to the configuration of the db server than just the files in that one dir |
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| 17:20.19 | mogra | Maliuta: I figured there would be something like that. |
| 17:20.31 | shanti | hi .. what installermedium can i use to install debian on a intel-dualcore 64bit cpu ? |
| 17:20.52 | Maliuta | it's a similar argument to using tar of a variant to backup files as opposed to a filesystem dump ... what do you want to be able to do with the "backup" |
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| 17:23.53 | mogra | right now, as I've got it, tar grabs /etc, /home, /var/log, /var/www, certain folders in /usr/share (mediawiki sites)... and /var/backups (where the system drops sql dumps, etc) |
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| 17:25.02 | alan` | shanti: all of the media has 64 bit support i think |
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| 17:25.28 | alan` | and you don't need 64bit if you aren't going to be using 64bit programs |
| 17:25.51 | smiler | or use more than 4gb of ram |
| 17:26.13 | shanti | alan`: i need bigram inside and 64bit codebase |
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| 17:26.59 | Nyle | hey whats a good basic video editor in debian? |
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| 17:27.06 | Nyle | something with a nice simple interface |
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| 17:27.13 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 17:27.13 | shanti | since all distro have dedicated 64bit-distro does debain have so too ? |
| 17:27.15 | stew | shanti: if you want to run the 64 bit version of debian, download an 'amd64' installer |
| 17:27.16 | webczat | hi all! |
| 17:27.31 | Moongoose2 | how can i mount an LVM partition in etch ? |
| 17:27.35 | Maliuta | Nyle: whats goo video editor in any other linux distro? |
| 17:27.36 | stew | shanti: yes, debian has ia64 and amd64, you want amd64 |
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| 17:27.54 | Nyle | Maliuta: if you make videos, and you want to edit stuff you know |
| 17:27.59 | Xteven | hi, I'm looking for a channel that discusses preseeing in d-i |
| 17:28.01 | shanti | stew: for the intel-64bit too ? |
| 17:28.11 | alan` | yes |
| 17:28.17 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: mount /dev/<volume_group>/<logical_volume> /<mount_point> |
| 17:28.19 | shanti | tnx |
| 17:28.29 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: checking... |
| 17:28.43 | Maliuta | Nyle: why would debian be different to any other linux distro? |
| 17:29.06 | Maliuta | Nyle: if it's not packaged roll your own package or use the likes of stow |
| 17:29.07 | Nyle | Maliuta: it wouldn't |
| 17:29.15 | Nyle | I don't understand the nature of your query |
| 17:29.23 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: what drivers does it require. i have no /dev/v[tab] other then 'vcs' |
| 17:29.28 | shanti | alan`: updates and patches will come in 64bit as frequently as in 32bit ? |
| 17:29.28 | Nyle | just either answer my very simple question or don't. |
| 17:29.39 | Maliuta | <Nyle> hey whats a good basic video editor in debian? |
| 17:29.56 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: try cinelerra maybe |
| 17:30.03 | Nyle | so you're gonna play the word game now? who said what? |
| 17:30.04 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 17:30.05 | alan` | they should |
| 17:30.06 | Maliuta | so _I_ want to know what you think makes debian different from any other distro in this respect |
| 17:30.14 | Nyle | nothing, bro. |
| 17:30.18 | Nyle | its all good |
| 17:30.22 | Maliuta | so why ask here? |
| 17:30.27 | stew | Moongoose2: it requires the "dm_mod" module; if the volume group is not yet activated, try "vgchange -a y" |
| 17:30.30 | Nyle | you win, leave me alone |
| 17:30.31 | Maliuta | why would be give a shite? |
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| 17:30.42 | Haris | Re-iterating my earlier Q. I have 2 NICs pointing at 2 different ISPs. eth0 is default gw. eth2 is the new ISP. I need all browsing related traffic (port: 80, 443) destined for internet to go out through eth2 and all the rest to go through eth0 as normal. How can I do it, by simply applying some iptables rules? |
| 17:30.51 | mogra | geez, back off a little, Mal. |
| 17:30.55 | Moongoose2 | stew: i tried vgchange -ay and it mapped the partition |
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| 17:31.00 | mogra | send him to v4Lin or something |
| 17:31.14 | Maliuta | mogra: I am sick of newbies who can't RTFM |
| 17:31.20 | stew | stop |
| 17:31.22 | Moongoose2 | stew: i just need to mount it somehow, i think ? |
| 17:31.26 | stew | time for people to start using /ignore |
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| 17:31.45 | stew | Maliuta: if you are sick of someone use /ignore. we don't need to know about it |
| 17:31.50 | mindshift | where can I get hold of the net install testing iso? |
| 17:31.55 | mogra | Be as sick as you want, but you don't have to be an ass. ;) |
| 17:31.59 | Nyle | !d-i mindshift |
| 17:32.00 | dpkg | mindshift, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:32.12 | stew | mogra: drop it |
| 17:32.13 | Nyle | mindshift: follow the 2nd link |
| 17:32.29 | Moongoose2 | Use ignore, its like "internet" where you decide what to like. |
| 17:32.41 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 17:32.56 | Moongoose2 | id never use it though.. |
| 17:33.38 | Moongoose2 | stew: so after vgchange -ay .. im stuck |
| 17:34.01 | stew | Moongoose2: do you see your lvs in /dev/mapper? |
| 17:34.08 | Moongoose2 | hold on.. |
| 17:34.11 | mindshift | ok thanks |
| 17:34.26 | mindshift | is testing stable to use if you don't want old programs? |
| 17:34.30 | shanti | tnx :-) |
| 17:34.42 | mogra | mindshift: depends on what you call stable |
| 17:34.53 | mindshift | just doesn't crash |
| 17:35.05 | stew | !test |
| 17:35.05 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:35.25 | Maliuta | I use unstable for desktop, it's stable enough and I can generally fix anything that goes wrong myself |
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| 17:35.33 | Maliuta | not to say it's for everyone |
| 17:35.58 | Moongoose2 | stew: Thank you so very much! ... i have mounted the volume now and im able to retrive the datas |
| 17:36.03 | SamuraiDio | !test |
| 17:36.03 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:36.10 | SamuraiDio | !count |
| 17:36.10 | dpkg | somebody said count was what apt doesn't. |
| 17:36.22 | Nyle | hmm |
| 17:36.28 | mindshift | why can't I use aptitude along with apt-get? |
| 17:36.38 | mindshift | why not get rid of one of them? |
| 17:36.53 | Moongoose2 | stew: I had my whole repository on that disk so youve gained a few points on my part. Thanks again! |
| 17:36.56 | Maliuta | I don't install craptitude :) |
| 17:37.05 | RedFoxy | ok i go see ya boys |
| 17:37.07 | stew | mindshift: you can ; if you are on stable, you might need to every once and a while manually tweek which packages aptitude believes have been automatically installed |
| 17:37.07 | Nyle | aptitude is great |
| 17:37.08 | RedFoxy | thank's for all |
| 17:37.21 | kellyh | LVM + XFS makes a pretty good combination i find |
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| 17:37.25 | DarkBahamut | hey, does anyone know how to fix acpi? |
| 17:37.32 | kellyh | (except XFS's inability to shrink) |
| 17:37.34 | twiggz | i like aptitude...but i prefer freebsd ports. |
| 17:37.35 | Maliuta | apt-get, apt-cache and dselect (occaisionally) are all I need |
| 17:37.44 | Maliuta | kellyh: amen |
| 17:38.02 | kellyh | sadly I've lost my hardware RAID5 |
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| 17:38.09 | Maliuta | kellyh: even better if the underlying setup is hardware raid |
| 17:38.17 | kellyh | as the replacement server i'm migrating to hasn't got the raid controller |
| 17:38.19 | stew | did anyone else get a random private msg from RA3OR ? |
| 17:38.23 | SamuraiDio | !juice |
| 17:38.23 | dpkg | i heard juice is one of the illest MC's of all time, kid... |
| 17:38.28 | Maliuta | stew: yeah |
| 17:38.33 | Moongoose2 | That LVM chokes windows xp's installer (lol) |
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| 17:38.50 | kellyh | Maliuta: it is on my outgoing server, but the replacement is the same thing but 4U rather than 2U, but the addon RAID controller is sadly duff |
| 17:38.55 | SamuraiDio | !SamuraiDio |
| 17:39.03 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: which window manager is XP? |
| 17:39.05 | kellyh | Moongoose2: use partition hiding? |
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| 17:39.19 | Maliuta | kellyh: vendor? |
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| 17:39.26 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: one that crashes all the time, live window vissta |
| 17:39.46 | kellyh | Maliuta: HP/Compaq ML370, replacing a DL380, with smartarray 5i |
| 17:40.29 | FastPutty | is there any dustribution based on debian for Firewall ? |
| 17:40.31 | Maliuta | kellyh: ahhh ML, the not cool stuff |
| 17:40.43 | kellyh | Maliuta: it was free though |
| 17:40.56 | Maliuta | FastPutty: minimal install with handwritten tables rules |
| 17:41.24 | Maliuta | FastPutty: but if the sole purpose is FW I would recomend the likes of openbsd - pf rocks |
| 17:41.39 | kellyh | Maliuta: hencce why getting a replacement raid board isn't cost effective |
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| 17:41.55 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:41.57 | kellyh | Maliuta: IPCop/Smoothwall are pretty good too i find |
| 17:41.58 | n-iCe | How do I install postgresql libpq++ ? |
| 17:42.06 | Maliuta | kellyh: you need to make commercial decisions based on more than just the cost of hardware |
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| 17:42.11 | n-iCe | Or how can I know if are already installed in my box |
| 17:42.16 | Haris | Anyone? |
| 17:42.23 | kellyh | Maliuta: its being used at home, it isn't a commercial set up lol |
| 17:42.25 | mindshift | maybe debian isn't something for be, seems a bit bloated for a minimalist |
| 17:42.31 | mindshift | for me |
| 17:42.48 | Maliuta | kellyh: those are linux/iptables distros, not BSD with PF |
| 17:42.49 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: i remember the old compaqs, had to load kernel using HIGH_MEM= foovar, plus the special nuts'n bolts in the old hw was a pain. Do they still use those weird screws in the HW ? |
| 17:43.18 | kellyh | Maliuta: i know, they work well though all the same i find |
| 17:43.25 | Haris | Guys? |
| 17:43.31 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: not the HP kit I have come in touch with |
| 17:43.34 | kellyh | Moongoose2: weird screens? |
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| 17:43.40 | kellyh | *screws |
| 17:43.53 | FastPutty | Maliuta:`well i need a debian firewall based on debian. and able to use iptables/ip_forwarding |
| 17:44.15 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: ok, used to have tose octogonal screws. kellyh==bot ? |
| 17:44.20 | Maliuta | FastPutty: why? when there is better tech out there to do the same job? |
| 17:44.35 | kellyh | Moongoose2: hah, i ain't a bot. |
| 17:44.37 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: there is still some hex in place |
| 17:44.38 | Moongoose2 | tose/those |
| 17:44.44 | FastPutty | Maliuta: i hae debian firewal on, but i lost fpacket, i cwanna compare it with another distro build for firewall |
| 17:44.48 | FastPutty | Maliuta: thats why |
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| 17:44.55 | kellyh | Moongoose2: most compaq stuff i've come across uses hex screws |
| 17:45.11 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: ok, because that was the reason i didnt ever wanna buy one anymore, so i didnt. |
| 17:45.24 | Maliuta | compaq haven't been releasing stuff as compaq for a while now |
| 17:45.50 | Moongoose2 | bought by what comp ? |
| 17:45.52 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: I have been dealing with dell kit for the last 18 months, it's got similar issues |
| 17:46.08 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: HP |
| 17:46.11 | kellyh | Moongoose2: Compaq were bought by HP |
| 17:46.11 | Moongoose2 | Im actually on an old dell right now :) |
| 17:46.15 | Moongoose2 | ok |
| 17:46.31 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: I prefer HP ILO to Dell DRAC |
| 17:46.56 | Moongoose2 | maybe they changed the screws. That would be good anyhow. |
| 17:47.10 | Maliuta | also dell do bleeding edge stuff HP are a bit more pragmatic in the approach and so stuff is better supported on release |
| 17:47.32 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: i prefer underground mountains with miles of computers all working :=) |
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| 17:47.40 | n-iCe | ji |
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| 17:47.41 | n-iCe | hi |
| 17:47.54 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: If I have to open the hardware at that point something is wrong. It should be on lease and any upgrades done by their techs under my supervision |
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| 17:48.20 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: you work for NSA in the 5 level sub basement? |
| 17:48.34 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: like old ram becomes, well old and has to be replaced |
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| 17:48.48 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: no, im not liking nsa much |
| 17:49.08 | Moongoose2 | Maliuta: the flask system isnt even nice |
| 17:49.11 | Moongoose2 | :) |
| 17:50.10 | Maliuta | Moongoose2: if I still have hardware that is 3+ y/o in service I have monkeys lower down the food chain for that |
| 17:50.20 | vogoncoder | neat! |
| 17:50.28 | Nyle | http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#apt |
| 17:50.31 | Nyle | look what i found |
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| 17:50.37 | Nyle | yay, lets keep fingers crossed |
| 17:50.39 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: I am no a _Senior_ sys admin |
| 17:50.43 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: in the end everyone is a monkey :=) |
| 17:50.44 | n-iCe | how do I install libpq++ ? |
| 17:51.04 | Nyle | n-iCe: apt-cache search libpq? |
| 17:51.07 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: no, the monkeys are the ones that just do as told and produce crap |
| 17:51.11 | Nyle | find out the package name and then apt-get install it |
| 17:51.14 | stew | n-iCe: is that different than libpqxx ? |
| 17:51.21 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: I just do. Not liking the titles much to be honest because they are misleading at times |
| 17:51.24 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: i..e. NOC monkey or Code monkey |
| 17:51.41 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: more-monkey |
| 17:51.43 | vogoncoder | :) |
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| 17:52.21 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: but its a dualies |
| 17:52.28 | mogra | less monkey |
| 17:52.37 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: as long as it says Systems Administrator somewhere I generally don't care, I have sufficient skill and experience to fit into the Senior bracket and get the according pay and resposibilities |
| 17:52.37 | vogoncoder | momonkeys! :) |
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| 17:53.27 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: I'll sic' my MMOD [Minion Monkeys Of Doooooom(tm)] onto you ;P |
| 17:53.48 | vogoncoder | I get by myself but i dont get to code like i really want to do. I get to IT-stuff up |
| 17:53.58 | vogoncoder | ;) |
| 17:54.04 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: being a non-monkey means skill, ability and understanding of the problems faced |
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| 17:55.00 | vogoncoder | ive been coding for OSS/GNU etc since about 1998, before that i used to play some with various linguas like Amos etc |
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| 17:57.07 | vogoncoder | IE: codemonkey by choise and liking it. Problem is i have too little time to do my favourite deeds (coding) atm |
| 17:57.33 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: how are your memory management skills? (my pet peve with devs) |
| 17:57.57 | vogoncoder | What are you looking for in that ? |
| 17:57.57 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: not all coders are monkeys |
| 17:58.20 | Maliuta | the ability to call free() when required |
| 17:58.25 | vogoncoder | im not, a monkey in that dept. I mostly just buy and fix stuff. |
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| 17:59.06 | dalias | btw lots of 'good' memory management practices are bad |
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| 17:59.19 | vogoncoder | Im pretty good in that dept but i missed a free() once. I felt horrible :=) |
| 17:59.21 | dalias | for instance when a large app is exiting, it should NOT free() its memory |
| 17:59.22 | Maliuta | understanding how a language allocates memory and why certain practices, though valid, lead to memory blowout |
| 17:59.25 | vogoncoder | terrible hehe |
| 17:59.31 | dalias | it should free() stuff it no longer needs while still running |
| 17:59.38 | dalias | but on exit it should explicitly avoid free() |
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| 17:59.56 | dalias | because it will pull pages back in from swap, only to discard them moments later |
| 18:00.13 | dalias | forcing data out of the filesystem cache and/or forcing other apps into swap |
| 18:00.28 | Maliuta | dalias: it al comes down to understanding allocation in each language and situation |
| 18:00.43 | dalias | if the program just calls exit(), the pages will just die in swap without getting pulled back to main memory |
| 18:01.00 | rrbiz | any1 use sox to rec ? |
| 18:01.14 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: im risking a ban but heres a few things ive done: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux.html (do as you wish.. oper) |
| 18:01.22 | dalias | ever noticed how exiting from firefox/openoffice/other bloatware causes massive swapping? |
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| 18:01.26 | dalias | this is the reason |
| 18:01.39 | Maliuta | dalias: I have seen issues where no using a free() (of what ever type is valid in that language) just causes a "program" to use more and more memory as something is looped over |
| 18:02.18 | Eulex | dalias, they've got more memory leaks plugged, now they're hunting memory fragmentation. |
| 18:02.23 | Eulex | Maliuta, I have caused them. |
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| 18:02.37 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: use realloc, its nice |
| 18:02.38 | dalias | maliuta, of course you have to free memory that's no longer needed while the program remains running |
| 18:02.45 | Maliuta | dalias: ever noticed how those programs don't perform free()'s when the should (closing of windows etc)? |
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| 18:03.30 | dalias | and of course this crapware gets it all wrong |
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| 18:03.31 | Eulex | vogoncoder, and irrelevant :) |
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| 18:03.49 | vogoncoder | Eulex: how so ? |
| 18:04.10 | vogoncoder | Eulex: greetz. |
| 18:04.12 | Eulex | Maliuta, firefox caches the last dozen open pages or so. |
| 18:04.26 | Eulex | vogoncoder, well, to a memory leak discussion. |
| 18:04.39 | Maliuta | Eulex: then you come to someone like me to get the resource usage in production, or dev, environments upped: I see the code and demand it gets fixed, massivly reducing memory used and speeding up the program |
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| 18:04.55 | mogra | Eulex: It's based on the amount of RAM available. |
| 18:05.16 | Eulex | mogra, oh? |
| 18:05.26 | mogra | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.cache.memory.capacity |
| 18:05.28 | dalias | the best solution is never to allocate memory at all in components that can avoid it |
| 18:05.40 | vogoncoder | Eulex: yes, so instead of declaring and initializing stuff in the middle of the code, use realloc and declare it in the declarations at the top :=) |
| 18:05.41 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: no offence, I _hate_ gui tools for those tasks ... not enough of the possible options are available, limits what I can do with the configs |
| 18:05.42 | Eulex | Maliuta, hah, good luck understanding gecko. |
| 18:05.47 | dalias | for instance use the stack properly, or use bounded-in-space algorithms |
| 18:06.10 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: freedom of choise |
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| 18:06.35 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: i doubt theyll limit your configs though :=) |
| 18:06.52 | dalias | for instance in a web page, you don't need to malloc crap for each html element |
| 18:06.56 | mogra | You can also manually set the cap in about:config. |
| 18:07.21 | Eulex | vogoncoder, not a solution in many many cases. how about deallocations in the middle of the alloced block? |
| 18:07.28 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: gbindadmin will though. i wish i had the time to merge the tmoppile codes |
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| 18:07.37 | dalias | instead measure (either exactly or with an estimate that gives a good upper bound) the amount of memory that will be needed before parsing, malloc one big chunk, and work all in that chunk |
| 18:07.43 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: I have just had bad experience with a large number of GUI tools not allowing me to add specific directives into files, then trying to fix it in the mess of a file they leave behind :) |
| 18:08.03 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: nothing personal against your stuff, which I haven't tried |
| 18:08.06 | vogoncoder | Eulex: declare, use while() or so, dealloc at eOF |
| 18:08.32 | Haris | Did I ask a Q that has no answer? |
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| 18:08.39 | Haris | or am I being ignored? |
| 18:08.44 | Eulex | vogoncoder, right, still only applies to a few situations. |
| 18:08.48 | helo | you're just being given answers that have no question... |
| 18:08.58 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: I would like it if youre a bit because i always like comments to improve |
| 18:08.59 | helo | (for you) |
| 18:09.09 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: I find vim is good enough for me to create my configs :) |
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| 18:09.31 | twiggz | does anyone in here use Transmission for bittorrent? |
| 18:09.36 | vogoncoder | Eulex: Well, if you manage to not deallocate something then the code needs to be fixed! :=) |
| 18:09.43 | McGoner | can anyone tell me what i should check to see that is my wireless internet controller switched on ? i am using HP NX6110 and running on it Debian etch stable |
| 18:09.43 | twiggz | Transmission-gtk to be exact |
| 18:09.45 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: vim + man pages + other extensive docs == good configs :) |
| 18:10.05 | Eulex | vogoncoder, everything might not need to be deallocated at _once_. |
| 18:10.15 | Maliuta | McGoner: iwconfig |
| 18:10.26 | McGoner | ty |
| 18:10.27 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: yes, yes they are but not for newbs at this time (2007). |
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| 18:10.35 | mkz | I'd like to buy a USB bluetooth transceiver. Can anyone recommend a good source to identify a product that is linux-compatible? |
| 18:11.09 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: the windows "where do I point and click for this" mentality has not place in the *nix world :) |
| 18:11.24 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: Servers are not easy to configure. Proftpd and sendmail servers can be really hard for newbs |
| 18:11.30 | twiggz | i use a CCK bluetooth usb dongle |
| 18:11.44 | Maliuta | I stopped using microsoft stuff with the move to GUI based stuff in win95 :) |
| 18:11.47 | twiggz | 2.0+EDR Vista |
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| 18:11.50 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: I see, well.. i think youre wrong :=) |
| 18:11.55 | twiggz | and it is supported in linux. |
| 18:12.03 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 18:12.06 | assasukasse | i have an ssh issue |
| 18:12.12 | assasukasse | if someone can help... thanks http://tinyurl.com/233z3s |
| 18:12.14 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: that's where reading the docs comes in |
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| 18:12.52 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: 1000-2000 dl's a month and that not including debian, fedora, slackware etc |
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| 18:12.59 | Maliuta | most of my mail solutions these days are postfix+ldap+tls+dovecot |
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| 18:13.09 | stew | vogoncoder: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:13.24 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: there are lots of monkeys out the thinking they are sys-admins |
| 18:13.30 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: not denying that :) |
| 18:13.41 | vogoncoder | Answering Maliuta, i had one and you helped me, thanks! |
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| 18:14.59 | Maliuta | stew: read the conversation, it doesn't have to be specifically about a debian package or how a debian package maintainer decided a config should be laid out to be relavant |
| 18:15.23 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: you could argue that you dislike the kernel config file because its too gui. Id not agree to that though :=) |
| 18:15.38 | vogoncoder | Choise is ok |
| 18:15.39 | limpio | hi, i understand there is a 'community' repo, is it a safe one when it comes to downloading apps from it? |
| 18:16.11 | vogoncoder | limpio: yes |
| 18:16.16 | Maliuta | vogoncoder: I use make menuconfig, it organises the options (all of them) into a structure that makes finding things easy |
| 18:16.31 | stew | Maliuta: this conversation doesn't appear to ba at all on-topic |
| 18:16.34 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: yes, its a gui :) |
| 18:16.39 | stew | vogoncoder: Maliuta; please take it elsewhere |
| 18:16.49 | vogoncoder | ok, ssh, Maliuta |
| 18:17.03 | vogoncoder | nice to talk to you though. |
| 18:17.35 | Maliuta | wow, memory management and configuration methods are off topic in a geek based channel ... when did this happen? |
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| 18:17.56 | vogoncoder | yes, i agree Maliuta... pretty crazy |
| 18:18.05 | stew | Maliuta: this is a debian support channel |
| 18:18.13 | stew | Maliuta: please just drop it |
| 18:18.19 | Maliuta | my nick has be registered here for 7 years now, I have been IRCing on this network for longer and _never_ have I come across that |
| 18:18.42 | vogoncoder | #defocal or what was the name of that discard-channel again ? |
| 18:19.19 | Maliuta | stew: if 1 person learned something through that exchange it was worthwhile |
| 18:19.22 | stew | Maliuta: ok. well please take it elsewhere now. the topic of this channel is not up for negotiation |
| 18:19.24 | vogoncoder | SKARE |
| 18:19.28 | limpio | vogoncoder: thanks |
| 18:19.31 | vogoncoder | np |
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| 18:20.36 | stew | limpio: if you use a non-debian repository you are certainly taking more of a risk. evaluating that risk is something you'll probably have to do on your own. there are certainly a lot of good repsoitories out there but also some bad ones |
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| 18:21.14 | stew | limpio: lots of people used dotdeb for a long time becuase they had php5 packages available, but we ended up with a lot of people in here becuase their version of php5 was very problematic |
| 18:21.17 | vogoncoder | I hate it when people get along, its so... evil ? :=) |
| 18:22.19 | Maliuta | if it comes down to something like that it's not hard to roll your own debs for software |
| 18:22.20 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: try #defocus (same same but a weee bit different maybe..) |
| 18:22.42 | Maliuta | especially if your php or apache is mission critical |
| 18:22.56 | vogoncoder | Not saying you should change channels though... stew... hmmz |
| 18:23.04 | limpio | stew, thanks, i'm getting ready to install arch tomorrow and i'm checking my favorite apps, that's all |
| 18:23.13 | Maliuta | just because a package maintainer build with a certain set of options doesn't make it right |
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| 18:23.58 | Maliuta | pfft. |
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| 18:24.13 | vogoncoder | Nighty.. |
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| 18:26.59 | vogoncoder | Maliuta: you seemed sane though. I dont like irc because well, of stupid reasons like "Oh, youre talking about computers in here. We dont like that and we hate codings..". Mindboggelings for the gilted :P |
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| 18:29.28 | przemek_ | !pl |
| 18:29.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
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| 18:29.58 | przemek_ | glxinfo | grep direct |
| 18:29.58 | przemek_ | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 18:29.58 | przemek_ | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 18:30.02 | przemek_ | help |
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| 18:32.44 | zrin | what kind of address would be 153.161.18.201 |
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| 18:33.01 | przemek_ | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:33.02 | przemek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.02 | przemek_ | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 18:33.02 | przemek_ | (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 18:33.02 | przemek_ | (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
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| 18:33.28 | stew | zrin: uhh, an ipv4 address? what do you mean? |
| 18:33.55 | stew | a class B address? |
| 18:34.37 | zrin | stew: whois doesn't know it, traceroute gives almost nothing, and a rather new etch box has sent sth to it |
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| 18:36.05 | zrin | stew: could you please traceroute to it and give me the last reachable node? |
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| 18:38.14 | zrin | it seems to be chinese ... I'd like to have a shorewall action China/DROP all all |
| 18:38.16 | stew | zrin: it aparantly not routable |
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| 18:39.03 | stew | zrin: it doesn't go beyond my isp's router on multiple isp's |
| 18:39.09 | przemek_ | help me man? |
| 18:39.12 | zrin | stew: yes, same here |
| 18:39.26 | zrin | stew: thank you |
| 18:39.35 | McGoner | what should i write into /etc/network/interfaces file for wireless connection? i have in there only lan connection |
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| 18:41.03 | mutante | suddenly my server has a load average of ~ 20 , its all from apache2 procs, in netstat i see tons of connections to port 80, but from IPs that keep changing and are not resolvable, quite a few are at least from the subnet but not all. How do i defend myself? not sure how im supposed to tell between good and bad user then, but effectively the server is not usable anymore, and its not just that it go so popular suddenly |
| 18:41.17 | przemek_ | have error X Error of failed request: GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest |
| 18:41.17 | przemek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.17 | przemek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.17 | przemek_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.17 | przemek_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.47 | vulture | mutante: That's what you call a DDoS. The real fix is upstream.. |
| 18:42.01 | vulture | mutante: Did you anger any script kiddies recently? |
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| 18:42.12 | mutante | vulture: well, its on a rented remote server in a rack |
| 18:42.28 | mutante | vulture: not that i know of |
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| 18:42.43 | mutante | vulture: i think they might be spammers trying to parse all my wiki pages, i run a mediawiki |
| 18:43.03 | mutante | and i found people talking about blog spam from an IP in that range ,too |
| 18:43.04 | vulture | mutante: Possible - are they making coherent, complete requests? |
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| 18:43.25 | vulture | DDoS usually involve just connection attempts, not much more than that |
| 18:43.39 | stew | mutante: figure out what they are hitting. when that happens to us, its often becuase some spammer has found a blog where he can leave comments or something, and they are leaving comments which is expensive resource wise because it hits the database. |
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| 18:43.58 | Aciid | hey can i ask a quick question on here? |
| 18:44.05 | stew | mutante: if you can eliminate the form postings that they are making, or make it so that they return quickly without having to write to the disk, you'll lessen the load |
| 18:44.11 | stew | Aciid: as long as its debian related, sure |
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| 18:44.39 | mutante | vulture: at least i see way more "SYN_RECV" and "CLOSE_WAIT" in netstats, than i see actual CONNECTs |
| 18:44.42 | Aciid | Whats the easiest way to install "chroot" on debian 4.0 to work as ssh module (the simpliest way preferred) |
| 18:44.54 | Aciid | so people could not go off their home folder |
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| 18:45.03 | Zippy2 | work as ssh module? |
| 18:45.07 | stew | McGoner: you can make an entry in interfaces just like a wiered insterface, but you can also add "wireless-foo" entries. "man 7 wireless" for details |
| 18:45.14 | Aciid | i saw something like "pam.chroot" |
| 18:45.21 | Aciid | so i think its ssh related |
| 18:45.22 | mutante | stew: thanks for the hints |
| 18:45.29 | vulture | mutante: Then it doesn't sound much like a crawler or blog spammer, though it could be. |
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| 18:46.16 | stew | but if it were just SYN_RECVD, then the apache processes wouldn't be at the top, right? |
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| 18:46.45 | mutante | vulture: i have also seen Yahoo Slurp slow down the server in the past, but then i can resolve the IPs to hostnames |
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| 18:47.02 | mutante | checking more logs.. |
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| 18:47.17 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 18:47.31 | stew | mutante: see if you see lots of POSTs to the same page in the apache logs |
| 18:47.55 | DarkBahamut | hey everyone |
| 18:48.16 | ribnitz | Suppose I have a printer that does PCL(something), and PS(1 and 2), is it better to use the printer with the postscript driver of gutenprint, or the pcl one? |
| 18:48.46 | abrotman | ribnitz: it really depends on the printer |
| 18:49.18 | ribnitz | abrotman: HPLJ 5M. |
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| 18:49.41 | mutante | stew: oh damn... /w/trackback.php?article=Quotes HTTP/1.1" 400 141 "-" "WordPress/1.9" , they are all UserAgent "WordPress".. thats that strange "trackback" feature... wordpress blogs connecting to my mediawiki.. but i still wonder how that started to suddenly, |
| 18:50.02 | abrotman | ribnitz: well .. i can't tell you .. i'm just saying it depends on the printer :) |
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| 18:50.13 | DarkBahamut | i was wondering if anyone can help me? with acpi? |
| 18:50.22 | abrotman | DarkBahamut: ask a better question |
| 18:50.23 | ribnitz | abrotman: printing PDF is awful.. |
| 18:50.31 | DarkBahamut | thats all i need help with |
| 18:50.39 | ribnitz | abrotman: at least to the PCL driver in windoze. |
| 18:50.40 | DarkBahamut | im able to boot fine when i disable it |
| 18:50.52 | DarkBahamut | when its enabled i get a black screen |
| 18:50.52 | abrotman | ribnitz: so try the other driver .. we have a printer here that has issues with large PDFs using the PS driver but works fine with PCL .. but the PCL doesn't work well for other large documents |
| 18:51.01 | stew | mutante: 400 means it is a malformed request |
| 18:51.03 | Aciid | So any ideas for the chroot? |
| 18:51.19 | mutante | stew: WordPress/1.9 , WordPress/2.0, WordPress/2.1.2 .... ddosed by blogs |
| 18:51.26 | ribnitz | abrotman: Large document, for me is like 30-50 pages. |
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| 18:53.44 | DarkBahamut | abrotman: what kinda question is better? what do i ask |
| 18:53.49 | abrotman | ribnitz: right .. im just saying to try both drivers |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | DarkBahamut: i'm not sure if oyu can selectively load only part of acpi or not |
| 18:54.21 | ribnitz | abrotman: So far, I have had better results overall with the PS one. |
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| 18:55.01 | abrotman | ribnitz: it's not always the number of pages .. sometimes it's also the document contents |
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| 18:55.18 | DarkBahamut | abrotman: when i boot normaly i get a black screen but when i boot with acpi=off it works just fine so i was told my acpi is broken and its hard to fix |
| 18:55.26 | ribnitz | abrotman: images take longer |
| 18:55.52 | DrAk0 | if a company invites you on a .eu country, excluding the hotel, how much per day they should give you? |
| 18:55.52 | DarkBahamut | abrotman: acpi=off naopic* |
| 18:55.58 | abrotman | DarkBahamut: that's quite possible .. many machines have a broken acpi implementation |
| 18:56.21 | ribnitz | DarkBahamut: the problem with ACPI is there are many implementations that are "partly standards compliant". |
| 18:57.26 | DarkBahamut | i have a laptop and i was told its not good to have no acpi |
| 18:57.50 | ribnitz | DrAk0: That depends on what you do. |
| 18:58.06 | DrAk0 | ribnitz, just staying for meetings |
| 18:58.13 | DrAk0 | so just food and transportation |
| 18:58.46 | ribnitz | DrAk0: and lodging. |
| 18:59.01 | abrotman | DarkBahamut: how old/new is the laptop ? |
| 18:59.28 | DrAk0 | ribnitz, not thats not included. |
| 18:59.39 | DarkBahamut | abrotman: its not that old HP dv6040us |
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| 19:00.10 | DarkBahamut | abrotman: im not sure exactly how old though |
| 19:00.24 | abrotman | DarkBahamut: you could try asking the acpi mailing list |
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| 19:01.05 | DarkBahamut | abrotman: im not rly good at writing error reports |
| 19:01.25 | DrAk0 | ribnitz, 110€ is asking too much? |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | DarkBahamut: i didn't mean to write an error report |
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| 19:02.59 | mutante | stew: i moved/deleted "trackback.php" and that let the load avg drop from 20 to like 2 already ,,,duh |
| 19:03.01 | abrotman | http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ |
| 19:03.09 | FordCortina | does anybody have any why when i cannot "search" again in ice weasel by pressing enter in debian_x86, but i can debian_x86_64? |
| 19:03.19 | FordCortina | "search again"* |
| 19:04.24 | ribnitz | DrAk0: Usual fees for skilled workers, doing something like a techincal install are often 1k euro. |
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| 19:04.39 | FordCortina | oh wait |
| 19:04.42 | FordCortina | it worked |
| 19:04.53 | FordCortina | after deleting my whole FF config |
| 19:04.54 | FordCortina | heh |
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| 19:05.10 | Daveman | Good day, abrotman :) |
| 19:05.19 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:05.47 | jramirez123 | Streaming Audio Server????????? any program? |
| 19:06.26 | McGoner | i added new interface to /etc/network/interfaces file. but know when i try ifup wlan0 (what i added there) then i get messeges /etc/network/interfaces:16: duplicate interface |
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| 19:06.43 | McGoner | ifup could not read interfaces file |
| 19:07.21 | stew | McGoner: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:07.49 | DrAk0 | ribnitz, im takling about expenses |
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| 19:08.04 | DrAk0 | ribnitz, im going for meetings |
| 19:08.30 | ribnitz | DrAk0: no idea there |
| 19:08.50 | DrAk0 | np thanks anyway, i sent the email asking for 110€ now |
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| 19:12.09 | JordiGH | Whoa, ntfs-3g scares me. I'm not used to being able to write to ntfs partitions. |
| 19:12.12 | JordiGH | Is this really safe? |
| 19:12.14 | Dave2 | yes. |
| 19:12.22 | mogra | is there a known lag problem with FF's flash plugin in Etch? |
| 19:12.29 | McGoner | http://goner.planet.ee/interfaces my interfaces |
| 19:12.41 | JordiGH | mogra: Which plugin? The non-free one? |
| 19:12.47 | mogra | Lemme check |
| 19:12.59 | JordiGH | mogra: It's responsible for crashing Iceweasel frequently on mine. |
| 19:13.05 | JordiGH | Then again, everything crashes Iceweasel. :-) |
| 19:13.16 | mogra | yea, my wife's machine is having this problem |
| 19:13.20 | mogra | and it's not just Iceweasel |
| 19:13.28 | mogra | anything that loads FF's flash plugin |
| 19:13.29 | JordiGH | Flash crashes everything? |
| 19:13.40 | JordiGH | Uh, FF isn't final fantasy, is it? |
| 19:13.45 | mogra | Firefox |
| 19:13.50 | mogra | Iceweasel |
| 19:13.53 | mogra | Gecko, whatever |
| 19:13.58 | stew | McGoner: "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" appears twice. you should get rid of one |
| 19:14.03 | mogra | She's on Swiftfox right now, still lagging |
| 19:14.14 | Zippy2 | http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/personal/11/16/flying.spaghettimonster.ap/index.html |
| 19:14.17 | mogra | Even Konqueror when it loads the flash plugin. |
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| 19:14.21 | JordiGH | How can anything but Gecko, whatever, run the flash plugin? |
| 19:14.36 | JordiGH | I mean, run the FF plugin? |
| 19:14.50 | JordiGH | You mean, the one from Adobe? The one that Konqueror automatically searches and downloads? |
| 19:14.56 | abrotman | JordiGH: IIRC konq has an interface to use any mozilla plugins |
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| 19:15.09 | h3sp4wn | opera also does afaik |
| 19:15.12 | JordiGH | abrotman: I didn't realise it was built for Mozilla. |
| 19:15.14 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 19:15.25 | McGoner | ty stew , thats better but know i get a load of errors :P |
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| 19:15.57 | JordiGH | How's Gnash coming along? I haven't tried it recently. |
| 19:16.14 | mogra | she's on the adobe plugin |
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| 19:16.36 | JordiGH | mogra: Issues galore with that. I'm amazed the thing works at all. ;-) |
| 19:16.52 | JordiGH | mogra: Crashes all the time on me too. Usually when I quickly switch focus away from it. |
| 19:16.52 | mogra | JordiGH: I'm sure I've tried others :P |
| 19:17.07 | JordiGH | mogra: So how's Gnash these days? |
| 19:17.15 | mutante | the bulletin of the FreeSoftwareFoundation recently mentioned progress with Gnash |
| 19:17.19 | mutante | "SWF v7+ compliant Gnash can play many current flash movies. |
| 19:17.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: not usable for every day stuff |
| 19:17.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: :-( |
| 19:17.31 | mutante | but i didnt try it :p |
| 19:17.34 | stew | JordiGH: i only have one application launcher in my desktop panel, and it runs "killall gtk-gnash" |
| 19:17.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:17.47 | JordiGH | I don't get Adobe. Why did they make pdf an open standard but not Flash? |
| 19:17.57 | JordiGH | stew: Feel the love. ;-) |
| 19:18.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: uhm .. hi .. i'm macromedia .. we make TONS of money selling flash development software ... |
| 19:18.16 | mogra | "I don't get Adobe" either |
| 19:18.24 | stew | it works for youtube, not always when you try to rewind or repeat a video |
| 19:18.29 | mutante | cause they just bought Macromedia and are still busy with getting the product lines together |
| 19:18.29 | stew | doesn't work at all for lots of stuff |
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| 19:18.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: And doesn't Adobe sell the Acrobat stuff too? |
| 19:18.58 | abrotman | JordiGH: yeah .. but Acrobat isn't nearly as niche as flash |
| 19:19.09 | McGoner | the errors that i got : goner.planet.ee/1.png |
| 19:19.17 | mogra | There are other, and better, PDF viewers than Acrobat. |
| 19:19.18 | McGoner | the errors that i got : http://goner.planet.ee/1.png |
| 19:19.21 | JordiGH | Flash is hardly niche. It's almost impossible to browse the internet these days without flash. :-/ |
| 19:19.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: but it's niche because the flash competitors are ... ? |
| 19:19.42 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: I don't bother with it nothing I actually want to see uses it |
| 19:19.47 | amphi | JordiGH: eh? I use w3m most of the time, with no problem |
| 19:19.49 | JordiGH | And what are the competitors to pdf? Postscript? |
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| 19:19.57 | abrotman | JordiGH: any document format |
| 19:20.04 | mutante | mogra: cant really confirm that on windows, still trouble with printing PDF files correctly at work sometimes, when we tried all those free PDF writer alternatives |
| 19:20.12 | JordiGH | .doc is a competitor to pdf? O RLY? |
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| 19:20.28 | mogra | technically, yes |
| 19:20.29 | abrotman | JordiGH: you've never been to a website that distributes .doc files ? |
| 19:20.34 | mogra | to the .doc thing |
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| 19:21.04 | JordiGH | amphi: You haven't seen some of the citation indexing sites that we have to use sometimes. This isn't for anything fancy or graphical. It's actually for work. And it's flash-only/javascript-only. |
| 19:21.14 | mogra | mutante: We use HTML2Doc and XSL:FO for creating PDF files. |
| 19:21.24 | amphi | JordiGH: brilliant :( |
| 19:21.25 | h3sp4wn | pdf's are fine with pdflatex |
| 19:21.45 | mogra | >.> they don't like latex here. Windows company :( |
| 19:21.57 | JordiGH | Wtf. |
| 19:22.00 | mutante | mogra: well different situation , we are getting PDFs from external from different sources, and have to make sure they look ok when printed |
| 19:22.00 | karsten | Is there a text-mode format for exporting wireshark packet dumps? If not, what's the general tool for analyzing a dumpfile (toher than wireshark itself again?) |
| 19:22.01 | JordiGH | LaTeX is for Windows too. |
| 19:22.12 | ribnitz | mogra: OOFfice can produce PDFs fine, reads some docs as well.. |
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| 19:22.33 | karsten | ribnitz: OO.o or MS Office? |
| 19:22.40 | amphi | antiword works well on the occasional ms word file I get :) |
| 19:22.44 | JordiGH | abrotman: I guess Processing is a vague flash competitor. :-/ |
| 19:22.46 | ribnitz | karsten: OO.o |
| 19:22.48 | mutante | and "apt-cache show antiword" if you gotta read the .doc file from debian console, just btw |
| 19:22.50 | mogra | ribnitz: I know, that's what I use at home. Any documents sent to Family/friends get saved as PDF |
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| 19:23.02 | JordiGH | karsten: OO.o exports pdfs indeed. |
| 19:23.05 | abrotman | JordiGH: and there's some MS thing too .. but flash is *everywhere* and there's no real replacement i'm aware of |
| 19:23.17 | mogra | anyway, flash in Firefox, if it's on, it causes 98% CPU useage in firefox-bin |
| 19:23.26 | ribnitz | mogra: Any attached "text file" I send is either plain-text, or PDF |
| 19:23.29 | abrotman | mogra: so stpo using flash :) |
| 19:23.29 | mogra | or swiftfox-bin, or Epiphany, or Konqueror. |
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| 19:23.38 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 19:23.51 | Haris | like on fbsd I update ports, do we need to do similar with aptitude/apt-get on etch? |
| 19:23.54 | JordiGH | mogra: Not much we can do for you. :-/ |
| 19:23.57 | mogra | abrotman: I'm not the one using, it's my wife, and she likes Youtube. Not an option. |
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| 19:24.04 | McGoner | how can i connect my network interface and mu wifi card in my laptop so ifup would not dell me that i dont have such device? |
| 19:24.10 | JordiGH | Haris: What is "update ports"? |
| 19:24.11 | Haris | what's the tool that runs on GUI startup and downloads new updates? |
| 19:24.25 | Haris | JordiGH: I guess only those who have used fbsd would know |
| 19:24.28 | JordiGH | Haris: Synaptic, I guess. |
| 19:24.32 | karsten | Haris: Which desktop? |
| 19:24.39 | karsten | Haris: GNOME, KDE, ...? |
| 19:24.42 | h3sp4wn | Haris: aptitude (if you are on stable then just use aptitude update && aptitude upgrade (periodically) |
| 19:24.46 | mutante | mogra: what about telling her to use youtubex.com , save the files, and then you play them offline with standalone ".flv" player |
| 19:24.48 | Haris | karsten: checking |
| 19:24.52 | abrotman | mogra: which version of flash is it? |
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| 19:25.23 | abrotman | Haris: have you read any debian documentation? |
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| 19:25.53 | JordiGH | So do the BSDs actually distribute Opera? |
| 19:26.03 | mutante | http://flv-player.net/ |
| 19:26.05 | mogra | An interesting note, btw... My machine runs Lenny and doesn't have this problem. |
| 19:26.21 | abrotman | mogra: which version of flash? |
| 19:26.23 | capiira | is the new x working ok from sid ? |
| 19:26.23 | JordiGH | mogra: Is the flash problem on etch, then? |
| 19:26.27 | Haris | abrotman: I might have skimmed it, at best |
| 19:26.31 | JordiGH | mogra: Because if it's on sid, I'll smack ya. ;-) |
| 19:26.36 | abrotman | Haris: maybe you should read some more of it :) |
| 19:26.37 | ribnitz | capiira: Mine seems to be. |
| 19:26.40 | stew | c |
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| 19:26.56 | mogra | JordiGH: Why would I put my wife, who I am in good standing with and adore, on sid? |
| 19:27.01 | mogra | Wife != Geek |
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| 19:27.05 | abrotman | mogra: http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_15507 |
| 19:27.06 | capiira | i tried it few eeks ago and evdev + keyboard light was broken |
| 19:27.42 | Haris | karsten: Its gnome |
| 19:27.44 | JordiGH | mogra: Some wives == geek. :-) |
| 19:27.47 | Zippy2 | lol |
| 19:27.58 | Haris | JordiGH: That's VERY rare |
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| 19:28.07 | mogra | JordiGH: She's Geek when it comes to History, not COmputers. |
| 19:28.27 | mogra | JordiGH: And note, she uses and loves Debian Etch :3 |
| 19:28.49 | JordiGH | mogra: My girlfriend enjoyed etch too. Unfortunately, now that I'm not there to admin it for her, she won't install it by herself. :-( |
| 19:28.57 | abrotman | mogra: you might want to see if the newer version of flash "fixes" it |
| 19:29.04 | capiira | my gf is running sid :D |
| 19:29.06 | McGoner | what driver i should use for intel wireles pro 2200 card ? |
| 19:29.11 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 19:29.12 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 19:29.24 | mogra | JordiGH: ssh + vino |
| 19:29.52 | JordiGH | mogra: I'd have to walk her on the phone through enough of an install until she gets an ssh server running. |
| 19:29.53 | boitono | What is the debian way to clone a system? I need to clone an existing system(packages and configuration) and need a way to do it painlessly. |
| 19:30.07 | JordiGH | dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:30.09 | JordiGH | Where was this? |
| 19:30.16 | JordiGH | !clone system |
| 19:30.23 | azeem | !reinstall |
| 19:30.23 | dpkg | [reinstall] COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 19:30.24 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 19:30.24 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 19:30.43 | JordiGH | Thx brotty. |
| 19:30.56 | JordiGH | Alex. |
| 19:31.09 | mogra | abrotman: she's on 9.0.31.0.1 |
| 19:31.19 | abrotman | i think adobe is up to 9.0.48 or something |
| 19:31.22 | ribnitz | JordiGH: is there a system imager tool? |
| 19:31.31 | JordiGH | ribnitz: gparted? |
| 19:31.31 | boitono | can I integrate that into the debian netinstall cd some how? |
| 19:31.36 | JordiGH | ribnitz: qtparted? |
| 19:31.47 | JordiGH | ribnitz: dd? :P |
| 19:31.48 | Haris | where to change hostname for etch? |
| 19:32.03 | capiira | is there a way to download the whole dpkg bot db :D ? its so useful and full of answers! |
| 19:32.07 | ledet | Haris: /etc/hosts? |
| 19:32.08 | JordiGH | Haris: /etc/hostname then somewhere in /proc and one more place I forget. |
| 19:32.19 | JordiGH | !change hostname |
| 19:32.20 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 19:32.26 | JordiGH | !oh yeah? |
| 19:32.26 | dpkg | it has been said that yeah is whatever |
| 19:32.27 | abrotman | !tell capiira about your factoids |
| 19:32.28 | OlaX | ribnitz: partimage is nice. |
| 19:32.32 | Haris | Has that samba bug been fixed yet? The one that would leave an entry in df -ah output after an unmount |
| 19:32.35 | mogra | abrotman: you are correct |
| 19:32.35 | stew | !reinstall =~ s#COLUMNS#aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS# |
| 19:32.36 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:32.50 | capiira | wow thanks :D |
| 19:32.57 | JordiGH | What's with the # separator? |
| 19:32.58 | azeem | stew: heh |
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| 19:33.02 | amphi | Haris: hostname will change it; edit /etc/hostname to make it permanent |
| 19:33.04 | JordiGH | stew has weird Perlisms. |
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| 19:33.21 | abrotman | !tell Haris about hostname |
| 19:33.49 | stew | JordiGH: dpkg only accepts 3 different separators, and i got used to using # instead of / becuase / is so often used in factoids (for urls) and I can't remember what the third is |
| 19:34.01 | abrotman | , |
| 19:34.12 | JordiGH | s,foo,yermom,g |
| 19:34.13 | cast | on openbsd, one can kill a tcpcon with tcpdrop, i want to simulate a disconnection with irssi, is there a similar tool to do that under linux? |
| 19:34.32 | abrotman | cast: pull the network cable :) |
| 19:34.34 | cast | [i could do it under kFreeBSD, i suspect] |
| 19:34.39 | boitono | How do you automate a debian install? |
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| 19:34.45 | abrotman | boitono: /msg dpkg fai |
| 19:35.22 | JordiGH | stew: I think I heard that before. It's still fun to pick on you for your Perlisms. :-) |
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| 19:37.07 | boitono | abrotman, dpkg fai? |
| 19:37.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell boitono about fai |
| 19:37.18 | JordiGH | !tell boitono about fai |
| 19:37.28 | mogra | I'm removing the flashplayer and installing the one from adobe.com |
| 19:38.07 | JordiGH | mogra: My "best" experience with flash has been to not install anything from Debian, browse to a page with flash, and let Iceweasel download the player for me. |
| 19:38.29 | JordiGH | mogra: Of course, then this has to be done per user, but perhaps your wife won't care. |
| 19:38.29 | mogra | haha |
| 19:38.33 | capiira | there is also a newer one from labs.adobe.com |
| 19:38.39 | capiira | works nice |
| 19:38.58 | mogra | capiira: I prefer to give her full releases, not beta. |
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| 19:39.44 | JordiGH | mogra: Btw, I have never seen an installer script that works unless it's one that dpkg run from the official Debian repos. ;-) |
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| 19:40.05 | JordiGH | People keep trying to come up with Windowsy ways to install stuff in *nix systems. They never work. |
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| 19:40.32 | mogra | JordiGH: All this one does is copy so files into the folders you tell it to. |
| 19:40.41 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: The loki installer works fine |
| 19:40.48 | h3sp4wn | or did |
| 19:40.49 | cast | NVIDIA one, too |
| 19:40.56 | JordiGH | mogra: Yeah, I've had issues with Iceweasel getting confused about where to find the plugin. |
| 19:41.07 | JordiGH | cast: The nvidia installer never has worked for me. Maybe I should try it again. |
| 19:41.08 | h3sp4wn | the nvidia one isn't fine (doesn't make deb's) |
| 19:41.34 | capiira | works fine here |
| 19:41.47 | capiira | --uninstall too |
| 19:41.56 | capiira | don't need debs |
| 19:41.58 | JordiGH | capiira: But it doesn't here. Which is the point. The damn thing doesn't work where it should. |
| 19:42.10 | capiira | whats the error message ? |
| 19:42.11 | JordiGH | They get some cases right, but not all of them. |
| 19:42.12 | h3sp4wn | If it installs stuff anywhere other than /usr/local or /opt then it is not fine |
| 19:42.18 | JordiGH | capiira: A black screen. |
| 19:42.23 | h3sp4wn | (unless it works with the native packaging format) |
| 19:42.30 | mogra | NVIDIA works fine |
| 19:42.42 | Haris | its funny |
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| 19:42.48 | capiira | what is your card? |
| 19:42.49 | h3sp4wn | It does work properly with the solaris NVIDIA drivers though |
| 19:42.53 | Haris | etch is working faster than fbsd on vmware |
| 19:43.03 | h3sp4wn | (i.e makes a SYSV pkg) |
| 19:43.09 | Haris | maybe I put etch on ide and fbsd on scsi, that's why |
| 19:43.14 | Haris | doesn't make sense |
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| 19:43.36 | JordiGH | capiira: It was a while ago. On a different system than this one. Don't try to fix it. I'm just telling you, installing the nvidia blob in many systems with slightly differing configurations is hell compared to the bliss of installing the free radeon driver and getting Compiz working on the first try. |
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| 19:43.39 | h3sp4wn | Haris: Using freebsd 7 ? |
| 19:43.45 | Haris | 6.2 |
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| 19:44.12 | JordiGH | Haris: Must fbsd be faster than etch for the universe to make sense? |
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| 19:44.38 | Tsarin | \idme |
| 19:44.48 | Haris | JordiGH: A miss-configured OS is a bad thing |
| 19:44.54 | Haris | Any miss-configured os |
| 19:44.59 | JordiGH | Haris: Hm? |
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| 19:45.08 | Tsarin | Good Morning Vietn^H^H^H^H Debian |
| 19:45.14 | pickcoder | some O/Ss are mis-configured by design |
| 19:45.44 | h3sp4wn | Is the kfreebsd available with a kernel that can use zfs yet ? |
| 19:45.52 | mutante | has the "every OS sucks" song on his mind |
| 19:46.02 | JordiGH | mutante: Does rms sing it? |
| 19:46.11 | JordiGH | !start an os war |
| 19:46.11 | dpkg | DOS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 19:46.14 | mutante | JordiGH: Three Dead Trolls,, i think |
| 19:46.15 | capiira | i hate computers at all |
| 19:46.20 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:46.21 | JordiGH | DOS?? |
| 19:46.28 | Tsarin | Does anyone here run a tumblelog on Debian? I run Stable/Etch and want to run one. I see a list here: http://tumblepedia.net/wiki/Tumblelog_Engines and was wondering if anyone has some experience with capabilities and compatibilities before I start downloading and testing them. |
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| 19:46.38 | pickcoder | Dr DOS is in... |
| 19:46.57 | JordiGH | mutante: Heh. Trolls. :-) |
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| 19:47.15 | mutante | JordiGH: http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/ossuckscable.html~content |
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| 19:48.34 | pickcoder | when there's more than one way to do something right, there'll always be a wrong way to someone |
| 19:49.09 | JordiGH | I understand it's impossible to do it wrong in Python. |
| 19:49.11 | mogra | Dr. Who? |
| 19:49.28 | capiira | nite |
| 19:50.18 | JordiGH | Heh. "Computers are for two things: 1) play pong 2) go to the moon." |
| 19:50.34 | JordiGH | 32 kb of RAM was enough to go to the moon. |
| 19:50.34 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: Unless you are of the mindset that object oriented just is wrong |
| 19:50.45 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: I'm not. :-) |
| 19:51.16 | lindenle | What is a good tool for doing memory profiling in Linux? |
| 19:51.21 | JordiGH | valgrind |
| 19:51.32 | JordiGH | lindenle: Uh, you mean for coding, right? |
| 19:51.34 | lindenle | Will it actuallt tell me which objects the memory is in? |
| 19:51.39 | Tsarin | if anyone has thoughts or suggestions on running a tumblelog on Debian, I would appreciate connecting to discuss. dugan002 -at- biocontact -dot- org |
| 19:51.40 | lindenle | JordiGH: Yeah |
| 19:51.44 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: I don't see the point in it (anything higher level than C I would prefer to use functional) |
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| 19:52.03 | unbeatabl | hi, if i have just one IP, can i add SSL on it? and still be able to virtual host other users on that IP? |
| 19:52.18 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: It helps me organise my code. There's also a lot of good ideas in C++ besides object orientation. ;-) |
| 19:52.23 | kingsob | i'm tyring to find where this folder would be on debian, /etc/xinetd.d |
| 19:52.24 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: instantiation and morphing is nice to have in higher level code |
| 19:52.27 | mutante | using GOTO was fun though |
| 19:52.43 | JordiGH | lindenle: Yeah, valgrind is what you should use. There isn't anything better. There are some frontends for it if you like. Kdevelop, for instance. |
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| 19:52.50 | abrotman | unbeatabl: i believe so .. might want to verify with #apache |
| 19:52.51 | pickcoder | yeah, you can do without it.. it makes designing more fun, though |
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| 19:53.03 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.18 | hardcampa | JordiGH: also one of the advantages of knowing C++ imho is that all other languages becomes real easy to learn. |
| 19:53.30 | pickcoder | unbeatabl: your SSL cert can be a wildcard on your domain. *.mydomain.com |
| 19:53.38 | hardcampa | C comes naturally C# is a breeze etc |
| 19:53.38 | pickcoder | so it can serve SSL for all vhosts on that domain |
| 19:53.42 | pickcoder | as long as they are secondaries |
| 19:53.43 | amphi | mutante: not as much as COME FROM ;) |
| 19:53.58 | pickcoder | but you have to order a wildcard cert.. not a regular cert |
| 19:53.59 | unbeatabl | hmm |
| 19:53.59 | JordiGH | hardcampa: I disagree. I hate C and it doesn't make much sense to me sometimes. :-) |
| 19:54.04 | mutante | lets learn chinese in order to make learning french seem easier |
| 19:54.06 | unbeatabl | is there a wildcard domain cert? |
| 19:54.18 | hardcampa | really? that's wierd, I consider C a great language |
| 19:54.25 | JordiGH | The first time I saw the K&R style function argument declaration I asked myself, "wtf is this shit"? :-) |
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| 19:54.40 | hardcampa | JordiGH: hehe |
| 19:54.58 | hardcampa | The thing i dislike I mean really dislike is the GNU indentations |
| 19:55.11 | JordiGH | hardcampa: I figured out how to turn that off in Emacs! :D |
| 19:55.12 | hardcampa | Why oh why did they make them so ugly |
| 19:55.12 | pickcoder | unbeatabl: https://www.thawte.com/ssl-digital-certificates/wildcardssl/index.html |
| 19:55.18 | pickcoder | or google for wildcard certificate |
| 19:55.24 | hardcampa | JordiGH: I know but I'm talking about the GNU standard what they want |
| 19:55.28 | unbeatabl | i dont want subdomain wildcard |
| 19:55.31 | unbeatabl | that is no use to me |
| 19:55.31 | hardcampa | (I'm typing this from emacs so I know believe me) |
| 19:55.36 | cast | doh. i'm begining to think linux doesn't have a tcpdrop equiv |
| 19:55.39 | munga | unbeatabl: you just need to specify *.domain |
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| 19:55.45 | JordiGH | hardcampa: Do you mean the indentation of { in a newline after for/if/while ? |
| 19:55.47 | pickcoder | unbeatabl: you asked about vhosts, so I stated that you could offer them SSL too |
| 19:55.53 | unbeatabl | yeah but * is subdomain |
| 19:55.57 | pickcoder | otherwise www.mydomain.com can be secured |
| 19:56.01 | hardcampa | yeah they want them starting tabbed in on the next line etc |
| 19:56.02 | unbeatabl | i have like over 400 domains |
| 19:56.03 | hardcampa | it's so ugly |
| 19:56.04 | pickcoder | and theirdomain.mydomain.com won't be |
| 19:56.07 | unbeatabl | i want to SSL enable all of them |
| 19:56.14 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
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| 19:56.22 | hardcampa | JordiGH: otherwise I run stroustrups style in emacs |
| 19:56.23 | pickcoder | * can not be a domain |
| 19:56.32 | simonrvn | then read what's being said to you |
| 19:56.33 | cast | 400 domains sounds like you should know 400x more than me :\ |
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| 19:56.59 | JordiGH | hardcampa: Go to the line that does that. C-c C-o. That should give you the name of the thing that Emacs uses for indenting that. Something like substatement-open. Then in Costumise the C group, there's an alist where you can turn off indentation for that. Tada! |
| 19:57.02 | simonrvn | no, just means money to burn, probably illicit, and not enough know-how |
| 19:57.25 | unbeatabl | so, theres no such thing? |
| 19:57.31 | unbeatabl | as a server wide certificate? |
| 19:57.32 | pickcoder | unbeatabl: did you even read what I stated? |
| 19:57.40 | unbeatabl | im not talkin about subdomain1.mydomain.com |
| 19:57.44 | hardcampa | JordiGH: I think you misunderstand me. I know all that. It's just that if you are supposed to write a GNU program and follow the standard, say in a project. Then you're forced to use that ugly style. |
| 19:57.44 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a good way to "rsync" (or similar) some iso-8859-1 encoded files to a remote host using utf8 for its file system? |
| 19:57.46 | pickcoder | then no |
| 19:57.46 | simonrvn | unbeatabl: scroll up |
| 19:57.51 | pickcoder | certificates are by domain |
| 19:58.00 | pickcoder | if you have 400 primary domains then you need a cert for each one |
| 19:58.05 | unbeatabl | so i have to purchase each and every one of them ssl? |
| 19:58.07 | simonrvn | duh |
| 19:58.09 | unbeatabl | oh boy |
| 19:58.11 | JordiGH | hardcampa: The GNU coding standards are a bit more flexible than that as far as indentation goes. |
| 19:58.19 | mutante | i think HQ9+ is the bestest programming language. It can do exactly 4 things as its name already says: H - Prints "Hello, world!" , Q - Prints its own source , 9 - Prints "99 bottles of beer" , and + "increment the accumulator". All you need at school and quick to learn ;) |
| 19:58.22 | unbeatabl | not the answer i wanted to hear =/ |
| 19:58.29 | pickcoder | how in the heck are you managing 400 domains and don't understand SSL cert basics |
| 19:58.40 | unbeatabl | cuz i never needed them |
| 19:58.43 | bahadunn | JordiGH: you ever seen what Linus says about the gnu coding standards? |
| 19:58.43 | unbeatabl | =p |
| 19:58.45 | simonrvn | pickcoder: have fun |
| 19:58.50 | JordiGH | bahadunn: I'm sure he hates them. |
| 19:58.55 | hardcampa | bahadunn: what he say? |
| 19:59.01 | bahadunn | JordiGH: yeah but its funny |
| 19:59.16 | JordiGH | bahadunn: So tell us, how does he hate them exactly? |
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| 19:59.28 | bahadunn | JordiGH: its in the kernel documents |
| 19:59.36 | bahadunn | coding style file I think |
| 19:59.42 | JordiGH | bahadunn: I'll have to grep the kernel source? |
| 19:59.53 | bahadunn | hold on |
| 19:59.57 | JordiGH | Is "fuck me gently with a chainsaw" still in the kernel source?? |
| 19:59.59 | JordiGH | ? |
| 20:00.03 | JordiGH | (one ?, not three) |
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| 20:00.15 | cast | lmao. |
| 20:00.38 | bahadunn | First off, I'd suggest printing out a copy of the GNU coding standards, |
| 20:00.39 | bahadunn | and NOT read it. Burn them, it's a great symbolic gesture. |
| 20:00.43 | bahadunn | thats what he says |
| 20:00.45 | JordiGH | http://durak.org/sean/pubs/kfc/ |
| 20:00.50 | bahadunn | Documentation/CodingStyle |
| 20:00.52 | hardcampa | you mean /usr/src/kernel/whateverkernel/Documentation/CodingStyle |
| 20:00.54 | hardcampa | yeah |
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| 20:00.57 | bahadunn | yep |
| 20:01.31 | JordiGH | Hey. "love" is beating "fuck". :-( |
| 20:01.52 | bahadunn | grep -r chainsaw * |
| 20:01.53 | bahadunn | arch/sparc/kernel/ptrace.c:/* Fuck me gently with a chainsaw... */ |
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| 20:01.57 | bahadunn | still there it seems |
| 20:01.58 | bahadunn | :) |
| 20:02.09 | simonrvn | i *hate* gnu indentation |
| 20:02.13 | hardcampa | Kernighan and Richies coding style is the right one in my eyes. |
| 20:02.21 | simonrvn | this shit is so effing annoying: |
| 20:02.28 | bahadunn | me too |
| 20:02.29 | simonrvn | if(foo....) |
| 20:02.32 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.37 | simonrvn | GRR |
| 20:02.38 | unbeatabl | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-13215.html |
| 20:02.39 | JordiGH | hardcampa: You really line int foo() int a, char b{/*stuffstuffstuff*/} ? :-( |
| 20:02.41 | hardcampa | simonrvn: hehe exactly |
| 20:02.43 | bahadunn | hardcampa: practice of programming has a lot of good ideas on style as well |
| 20:02.44 | hardcampa | that's what I've been saying |
| 20:02.49 | unbeatabl | so it IS posible to have multiple SSL on single IP |
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| 20:03.03 | bahadunn | unbeatabl: not ideally |
| 20:03.09 | JordiGH | bahadunn: Where is "the word 'fuck' is here so you can grep for it." ? |
| 20:03.24 | bahadunn | JordiGH: what? |
| 20:03.30 | simonrvn | fuck is in the kernel source 43 times |
| 20:03.30 | unbeatabl | huh |
| 20:03.36 | bahadunn | hehe |
| 20:03.42 | JordiGH | bahadunn: The line in quotes is somewhere in the kernel, or it used to be. |
| 20:03.47 | bahadunn | those coders like to use the colourful language |
| 20:03.48 | mutante | results 1-10 of about 920 for "ptrace.c chainsaw" |
| 20:04.25 | bahadunn | probably |
| 20:04.27 | bahadunn | why wouldnt they |
| 20:04.42 | mutante | " Called by kernel/ptrace.c when detaching" aahaa, i see |
| 20:04.43 | bahadunn | JordiGH: that line might be gone |
| 20:04.55 | bahadunn | this one is funny |
| 20:04.57 | simonrvn | they do, i don't recall the 'fuck'stats, but it was pretty high IIRC |
| 20:04.58 | bahadunn | Documentation/DocBook/kernel-locking.tmpl: If you don't see why, please stay the fuck away from my code. |
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| 20:06.10 | simonrvn | (this was netbsd) |
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| 20:07.39 | simonrvn | turning those SA rules into c-binaries was simple and genius. makes the spam filtering fly |
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| 20:08.23 | unbeatabl | anoyne have any idea what this could mean? http://www.geotrust.com/products/ssl_certificates/georoot.asp ? does that mean i can run my own verisign.com with this ? |
| 20:08.30 | mutante | apt-cache search fuck |
| 20:08.58 | simonrvn | unbeatabl: it's called self-signed |
| 20:09.02 | lyroy | Is there a way to re-compile bind9 from the package I get with the apt-get... I know I need to get the bind9 sources but how can I unistall the actual running bind and install the version of bind that I compile using the dpkg command? |
| 20:09.15 | simonrvn | M$IE pukes on them |
| 20:09.48 | simonrvn | (IMO, stupid, the encryption is just as good) |
| 20:09.51 | mutante | unbeatabl: cheak out cacert.org |
| 20:10.10 | xingu | !tell lyroy -about simple sid backport |
| 20:10.14 | simonrvn | cacert.org r0x |
| 20:10.46 | simonrvn | people who recognised a computing need, and decided to go the way they did. |
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| 20:10.54 | mutante | yeah, just one thing, cacert root cert is not in browsers by default |
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| 20:11.14 | mutante | and it seems like they are not getting in it so quickly.. |
| 20:11.20 | simonrvn | yeh, same goes for self-signed. all you need is a link to the cacert |
| 20:11.22 | mutante | even though its their main goal since forever |
| 20:11.38 | simonrvn | (if you don't have FS access ;) |
| 20:11.46 | lyroy | well xingu I wnat to compile bind with the mysql-bind support and I don't think it as been release as an official bind package? |
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| 20:11.56 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 20:12.10 | mutante | made me think if its Verisign/Thawte trying to keep Mozilla from adding it |
| 20:12.22 | dazjorz | I'm trying to manually install Debian inside a qemu since the installer seems to fail (I'm trying to fix it myself for now, if that won't work, I'll try to find out why the installer won't do it too) |
| 20:12.44 | xingu | lyroy: patch it into the debian release, fix what breaks. |
| 20:13.02 | dazjorz | I'm now chrooted to /target and running dpkg -i base-passwd_3.5.13_i386.deb, at the "setting up base-passwd" step, it says "tempnam: No such file or directory" |
| 20:13.04 | simonrvn | mutante: wouldn't be surprised, or at the very least lobbying mozcorp/org to not get it in |
| 20:13.16 | dazjorz | I don't have a tempnam tool on any of my system, but I found out there seems to be a tempnam.h |
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| 20:13.25 | simonrvn | bah, nm, i think you know what i mean |
| 20:13.26 | dazjorz | what's usually the cause of "tempnam: No such file or directory" ? |
| 20:14.39 | azeem | dazjorz: "tempnam not installed" |
| 20:14.46 | dazjorz | azeem: ? |
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| 20:15.54 | ManuP | i mounted a nfs-dir. but any user can delete files of any other user. is this normal? chmod dont work for other user, but delete does... why? |
| 20:16.20 | \amethyst | ManuP: what are the permissions on the files? |
| 20:16.21 | simonrvn | check parent dir ownership |
| 20:16.28 | \amethyst | err, right |
| 20:16.34 | \amethyst | on the containing directory |
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| 20:16.38 | lyroy | xingu for thaht I need to bind 9 sources? |
| 20:16.41 | J_P | hi all |
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| 20:17.28 | mutante | back when that windows source code leaked on the net, did somebody grep that for "fuck" as well? :p |
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| 20:17.34 | ribnitz | heyas. |
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| 20:17.38 | ManuP | \amethyst, the file has 700 an any other user can delete it. |
| 20:17.45 | J_P | I have one client doing downlaod via http, in gateway with tcpdump I looking requests, But I would like know what is the name of the file that client are downloading, how I do this ? |
| 20:17.49 | dazjorz | azeem: what did you mean ? |
| 20:17.50 | xingu | apt-get source ... will grab the upstream source tarball and the debian(ising) diff against it. |
| 20:17.55 | \amethyst | ManuP: what about the directory that contains the file? |
| 20:17.58 | cTATUK | How do I force aptitude to always upgrade all available packages instead of keeping them back? |
| 20:18.02 | \amethyst | ManuP: that's what matters when deleting |
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| 20:18.10 | ribnitz | Is there some irc software that can do multiple channels, on different servers? |
| 20:18.16 | ribnitz | can irssi do that? |
| 20:18.36 | cTATUK | I added the WineHQ repo to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and now libwine and wine are kept back when running 'aptitude upgrade'. |
| 20:18.37 | Ronin | ribnitz: irssi can, bitchx can scrollz can |
| 20:18.39 | mutante | ribnitz: yes |
| 20:18.43 | ManuP | \amethyst, it is the "source"-folder of the nfs. this is rw... permissions are 777... okay, i see. |
| 20:18.48 | hardcampa | ribnitz: ehm all irc software can |
| 20:18.50 | ribnitz | Ronin: how od I do that? |
| 20:18.53 | hardcampa | like all clients |
| 20:19.15 | mutante | and "screen" can have multiple windows in one screen,too |
| 20:19.19 | ribnitz | when I mean can.. I mean at the same time. |
| 20:19.19 | hardcampa | I'm in emacs now with erc on 2 networks (ownz irssi) =P |
| 20:19.28 | Ronin | ribnitz: look on thier respective websites or man ircclient |
| 20:19.34 | \amethyst | ManuP: chmod +t directory |
| 20:19.46 | \amethyst | ManuP: then only the owner of a file in that directory can delete it |
| 20:19.51 | ribnitz | \amethyst: sticky tag on dir.. |
| 20:20.06 | Nyle | simonrvn: hey |
| 20:20.09 | vin` | !greetings |
| 20:20.09 | ManuP | \amethyst, what stands +t for? |
| 20:20.09 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 20:20.18 | \amethyst | ManuP: 'sticky' |
| 20:20.31 | \amethyst | ManuP: look for 'STICKY DIRECTORIES' in man chmod |
| 20:20.36 | mutante | i was about to say "that only ops can set topic" :p |
| 20:20.42 | Nyle | +n |
| 20:20.47 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:21.08 | Nyle | nm |
| 20:21.09 | cTATUK | !greetings |
| 20:21.09 | dpkg | hello, ctatuk |
| 20:21.18 | Nyle | !greet |
| 20:21.21 | Nyle | hm |
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| 20:22.02 | vin` | Nyle: are you from india? |
| 20:22.07 | Nyle | sure |
| 20:22.14 | Nyle | why not |
| 20:22.18 | Nyle | I could be from india |
| 20:22.28 | Nyle | simonrvn: ping |
| 20:22.45 | dazjorz | apt-get keeps saying that I have unmet dependencies, how do I remove that warning and make it do what I want, regardless of errors on my system ? |
| 20:22.50 | vin` | didn't say why not, namaste. |
| 20:23.18 | vin` | !namaste |
| 20:23.18 | Nyle | salaam-u-alaikum |
| 20:23.24 | ManuP | \amethyst, okay, i now see that the parent directory is for permitting to delete a file or not. |
| 20:23.50 | mutante | dazjorz: apt-get upgrade -f .. i guess |
| 20:24.00 | mutante | f for force |
| 20:24.05 | dazjorz | mutante, that'll try to fix the problems, I just want it to do what I asked for |
| 20:24.14 | dazjorz | hmm wait |
| 20:24.17 | dazjorz | maybe if I give a package name, too |
| 20:24.29 | ManuP | \amethyst, what do i do if i want to give a user rights to write in a dir, but he should not be able to delete a file of an other user? ist this the "sticky" thing? |
| 20:24.33 | dazjorz | Nope, still "unmet dependencies" mutante |
| 20:24.58 | vin` | dpkg: namaste is I honor the Spirit in you which is also in me. |
| 20:24.58 | dpkg | okay, vin` |
| 20:25.12 | mutante | dazjorz: if you just want to install a single package no matter what apt-get thinkgs of it , you could as well "dpkg -i blah.deb" ? shrug |
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| 20:25.43 | dazjorz | mutante, Yeah that's true |
| 20:25.57 | dazjorz | But then I'll also need to download the package (search through packages, etc) ;) |
| 20:26.05 | dazjorz | Bah |
| 20:26.11 | dazjorz | It keeps saying "tempnam: No such file or directory" |
| 20:26.20 | dazjorz | Maybe I'll just download and install strace to see what file or directory it can't find |
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| 20:26.30 | ManuP | \amethyst, if i have a dir with 777 and a file with 700T in it, any user still can delte the file. |
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| 20:26.34 | unbeatabl | anyone know what cacert.org do? if you use them, can you get ssl site without that SSL error popup warning message? |
| 20:27.11 | dazjorz | unbeatabl, Most browsers don't have their CA certificate as allowed |
| 20:27.14 | dazjorz | unbeatabl, ..by default |
| 20:27.18 | lyroy | xingu after modifying the debian bind 9 sources is there a special way to compile it to build a .deb package? by the way thanks for your help |
| 20:27.34 | dazjorz | unbeatabl, so you'll probably have the SSL warning message, but at least you'll have CA signed certificates |
| 20:27.36 | unbeatabl | huh |
| 20:27.57 | \amethyst | ManuP: correct |
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| 20:30.12 | stew | !namaste =~ s#I#<reply>$who: I# |
| 20:30.13 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 20:30.37 | ManuP | \amethyst, the man-pages tells about sticky, that the deleting of a file is not permitted besides you are the owner. i dont understand... |
| 20:31.26 | Gatonegro | Hello folks. I have a problem --- whenever I try to install a new package, apt (or dpkg) returns "dpkg-query: files list file for package `sane-utils` is missing final newline. |
| 20:31.35 | Gatonegro | What can I do? |
| 20:31.56 | stew | Gatonegro: echo >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/sane-utils.list |
| 20:32.01 | stew | Gatonegro: note that i said >> not > |
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| 20:33.27 | Gatonegro | stew: Thanks a heap. |
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| 20:33.50 | mutante | unbeatabl: its not perfect, you still have to explain to your users, but its still better than then usual "self signed" errors |
| 20:33.57 | \amethyst | ManuP: if the sticky bit is set on the parent directory, then deleting the file is only permitted by the owner |
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| 20:34.18 | \amethyst | ManuP: if the sticky bit is not set, deleting is permitted to anyone who can write to the directory |
| 20:34.26 | capt-rogers | debian4-I want to install sshd and make it a default startup...apt-get install sshd.....and to make it boot on startup? TIA |
| 20:35.36 | ManuP | \amethyst, okay, the parent dir... k, thanks |
| 20:35.40 | Nyle | !namaste |
| 20:35.40 | dpkg | nyle: I honor the Spirit in you which is also in me. |
| 20:35.45 | Nyle | nice |
| 20:36.12 | Nyle | dpkg quit screwying up my nick |
| 20:36.15 | Nyle | its Nyle not nyle |
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| 20:38.04 | ManuP | is there a possibility to link from a nfs dir to another dir on the server, so that the linked dir is accessable via nfs? i tried ln -s but it hadnt the wished effect. |
| 20:38.04 | fbcit | Where can I find a list of acceptable values for the LANG env var? |
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| 20:38.40 | weisswurst | how to create a 150 mb file with zeros with dd? |
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| 20:39.02 | wols | weisswurst: dd if=/dev/zero |
| 20:39.34 | \amethyst | weisswurst: dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=150 |
| 20:42.30 | vin` | stew: gave up on NM? |
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| 20:43.13 | mutante | what can i use to send a message like with "wall" but only to one specific user's tty |
| 20:43.24 | \amethyst | mutante: write |
| 20:43.27 | mutante | ah,thanks |
| 20:43.28 | stew | vin`: no, in fact i made the first visible progress in a year earlier this week, by finishing PnP |
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| 20:43.40 | vin` | stew: congrats! |
| 20:44.00 | stew | vin`: and now i think i'm already half done with TnS, it shouldn't be long before i'm in DAMnation, thanks |
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| 20:45.37 | minerale | how do I select the output directory when extracting a tar file? |
| 20:45.45 | minerale | is it -D or -C ? |
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| 20:46.26 | dazjorz | could somebody explain to me what 'tempnam' is ? apt-get is failing to install packages like base-passwd because of it |
| 20:46.26 | minerale | all the mane page says for -C is "change to directory" -- but does not expand what that means |
| 20:46.45 | ManuP | minerale, try it |
| 20:46.59 | minerale | manup: i get dir does not exist |
| 20:47.26 | minerale | manup: I want to extract a tar archive into a folder named foo |
| 20:48.10 | mbroeker | minerale, tar -xvzf foo.tar.gz -C /tmp/foo |
| 20:48.18 | dazjorz | or does anybody have a "debootstrapping Debian" guide ? |
| 20:48.26 | h3sp4wn | !debootstrap |
| 20:48.26 | dpkg | i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 20:48.42 | ManuP | minerale, it is the -C option |
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| 20:48.55 | ManuP | minerale, if the dir dont exist, you have to create it first... |
| 20:49.14 | dazjorz | thanks h3sp4wn |
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| 20:49.41 | ice63 | is shorewall the best firewall for debian ? |
| 20:49.53 | ice63 | or not |
| 20:50.39 | mbroeker | ice63, its the easiest firewall for administration. |
| 20:50.47 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: There was a debian takeover script but I don't think it has been updated recently |
| 20:51.24 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn, I think `debootstrap` will do it :) |
| 20:52.02 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: given you have a spare partition - if its a remote server when you don't have a serial console you only get once chance etc |
| 20:52.12 | h3sp4wn | without getting isp to mess around |
| 20:52.31 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn, Yeah, I had a server where I could do that a while ago |
| 20:52.36 | dazjorz | but the owner decided to reinstall |
| 20:52.54 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn, I'm currently installing in a qemu, mainly to play with the thing :) |
| 20:53.03 | ice63 | mbroeker: ok but what about ipcop ? |
| 20:53.15 | mbroeker | duno |
| 20:53.25 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: That makes things considerably easier |
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| 20:53.42 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: If you have the chance its nice to play with it under xen |
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| 20:54.01 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn, Yeah I'm definitely going to try this out completely before even thinking about doing it remotely |
| 20:54.15 | dazjorz | Well, seriously thinking |
| 20:54.40 | dazjorz | That server I spoke of, wasn't a production server anyway, and it was going to be reinstalled anyway |
| 20:55.05 | dazjorz | I hope I'll never have to do a migration from a Unix to a different Unix... |
| 20:55.30 | h3sp4wn | dazjorz: not so bad with new hardware |
| 20:55.59 | h3sp4wn | even windows -> unix was not bad when I had to do it |
| 20:56.05 | dazjorz | :O |
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| 20:57.00 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn, I can't imagine how frightening it'll be to make a machine reboot, after installing a hopefully-working system, and setting up grub etc. |
| 20:57.16 | dazjorz | I mean, you can check it a hundred times, but there's always a chance you or somebody will have to go all the way there |
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| 20:57.36 | dazjorz | Hopefully I'll never work at NASA or ESA having to do something like that with a sattelite :P |
| 20:58.00 | h3sp4wn | That never should have to happen |
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| 20:58.28 | dazjorz | h3sp4wn, Well you never know |
| 20:58.39 | stew | i've done redhat->debian remote installs on dedicated servers a bunch of times now that the place that we host machines doesn't do debian anymore, grub-fallback is a livesaver |
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| 20:59.21 | h3sp4wn | stew: with no access to serial console or with ? |
| 20:59.32 | stew | h3sp4wn: without |
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| 21:00.05 | reiseesel | hi there.. |
| 21:00.45 | dazjorz | stew, If the kernel panics, will grub still have enough control to reboot? (I know you can reset the default to another OS, but for that, you'll have to reboot) |
| 21:00.59 | dazjorz | I wish Linux kernel panic would reboot after x seconds, or so, a compiled-in value |
| 21:01.00 | h3sp4wn | stew: I have done similar things but always with a hardware serial console |
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| 21:01.22 | stew | dazjorz: yes, grub has a fallback mechanism, if one kernel doens't work, it will fallback to the next |
| 21:01.27 | stew | !grub fallback |
| 21:01.27 | dpkg | i heard grub fallback is grub has a mechanism for setting up fallback kernels in case the default kernel doesn't boot for some reason, read about it here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 21:01.44 | reiseesel | i've been on slack quite a while now and have found my way back to debian recently, im just wondering if there is a package of the ion3 wm |
| 21:01.55 | RickH | Is anyone able to assist with denyhosts? Mine broke (probably an update/upgrade) I've looked around the net (all day) :( and think the problem is with deny hosts and python but I can't seem to get it fixed. |
| 21:02.06 | reiseesel | i've heard some rumors about renaming it but havent found anything about a new name |
| 21:02.19 | stew | h3sp4wn: i can submit a reboot ticket and say "if you could, please tell me what happens when kernel A doesn't boot then boot kernel B" |
| 21:02.45 | dazjorz | stew, How does grub know a kernel failed ? |
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| 21:04.19 | stew | dazjorz: i don't know |
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| 21:05.07 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if version 3.0 of Firefox might allow users to search web pages for regular expressions? |
| 21:05.22 | mogra | "There's Ubuntu, but that only works inside Windows XP anyway." I don't know what this kid is smoking |
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| 21:06.03 | Naw | Hello |
| 21:06.14 | RickH | (Denyhosts) This is the error I'm seeing, (http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361085) but changing the "#!/usr/bin/python2.4" doesn't help any :( |
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| 21:06.39 | Naw | Hi every body |
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| 21:07.02 | Naw | finelly my base sys is ok ! |
| 21:08.16 | Naw | what should i install xdm or gdm ( i am locking ro install openbox ) |
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| 21:08.33 | h3sp4wn | Naw: xdm should be fine |
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| 21:10.28 | Naw | h3sp4wn: oki Thanks |
| 21:11.09 | h3sp4wn | Naw: if you set the x-window-manager alternative correctly then it should just work |
| 21:11.21 | h3sp4wn | (or you only have openbox installed not any other wm) |
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| 21:12.22 | Naw | i have only openbox |
| 21:13.23 | h3sp4wn | Naw: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 21:14.06 | Naw | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.19 | Naw | thats all |
| 21:14.31 | h3sp4wn | yep so just installing xdm and then you won't have to mess with .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 21:14.51 | Naw | noce |
| 21:14.54 | Naw | nice |
| 21:14.58 | Naw | :) |
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| 21:20.10 | Nyle | guhnome |
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| 21:20.32 | Naw | this is the best ... i can just have open box and gdm in 60 second |
| 21:20.40 | Naw | yupiiii |
| 21:20.50 | Nyle | kde |
| 21:20.56 | Naw | i love this nex world |
| 21:21.05 | Naw | openbox |
| 21:21.08 | Nyle | nex? |
| 21:21.15 | Nyle | openbox i know |
| 21:21.16 | Naw | new lol |
| 21:21.21 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:21.34 | Nyle | wets wan |
| 21:21.38 | Nyle | wilder |
| 21:21.41 | Naw | and xdm Roxxx |
| 21:21.47 | Nyle | noo |
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| 21:22.00 | Nyle | startx? |
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| 21:24.18 | Naw | euh !! how can i turn the desktop to black in openbox |
| 21:24.20 | Naw | ? |
| 21:24.23 | Naw | lol |
| 21:24.45 | JordiGH | lol? |
| 21:25.10 | Naw | -lol |
| 21:25.17 | jelly-home | !tell the N people about enter |
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| 21:25.33 | xand | FROM THE PLANET N |
| 21:25.46 | JordiGH | Is that whence Captain N hails? |
| 21:27.30 | Nyle | what is this retardedness in here |
| 21:27.34 | Nyle | cut it out |
| 21:27.47 | Nyle | for what I needed, I didn't need a video editor |
| 21:27.50 | Nyle | mencoder works fine |
| 21:28.29 | Nyle | kino I couldn't really figure out |
| 21:28.32 | blq | I'm still in trouble with my sound output... I mangaged to install and configure the alsa drivers and if I play a audio file for example with Juk I can "see" the output at the aRts Control Tool... but my speakers still keep quiet :( any Ideas? |
| 21:28.46 | Nyle | blq: check your cables |
| 21:28.49 | Nyle | wires etc. |
| 21:28.54 | Nyle | make sure the speakers work |
| 21:29.01 | blq | Nyle: they are connected correctly .. |
| 21:29.15 | Nyle | check the volume levels? |
| 21:29.21 | Nyle | in alsamixer |
| 21:29.23 | blq | Nyle: every mixer is at it's maximum |
| 21:29.33 | Nyle | speakers are functional? |
| 21:29.46 | blq | Nyle: sure |
| 21:30.03 | Nyle | take the speaker wire out and touch it to some metal |
| 21:30.17 | Nyle | nah, im just yanki ya |
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| 21:30.42 | Nyle | why don't you try to turn arts off |
| 21:31.09 | blq | Nyle: give me a second the door bell. .. |
| 21:31.16 | Nyle | arts is garbage anyway |
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| 21:31.38 | shaun_ | hey |
| 21:31.44 | jelly-home | ho |
| 21:31.45 | Nyle | blq: how did you install and configure? |
| 21:32.15 | shaun_ | what kernel is etch 40r1 using? |
| 21:32.33 | blq | Nyle: at first I removed alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-tools and linux-sound-base and purged it |
| 21:32.34 | Nyle | 2.6.18-5 |
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| 21:32.42 | twiggz | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:32.44 | Nyle | blq: ok |
| 21:32.54 | shaun_ | is any release using 2.6.22? |
| 21:33.02 | blq | Nyle: then I installed alsa-base etc. and linux-sound-base and ran alsaconf |
| 21:33.02 | jelly-home | shaun_: why do you ask? |
| 21:33.04 | twiggz | unstable |
| 21:33.06 | abrotman | lenny |
| 21:33.18 | Nyle | twiggz: also 386, and amd64, and others... so basically not specifically -686, just 2.6.18-5 is enough |
| 21:33.24 | abrotman | shaun_: you can get etch with a .22 kernel if you really need it |
| 21:33.27 | stew | shaun_: there are backported 2.6.22 kernels available for stable : /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:33.28 | blq | Nyle: then I reseted alsa-utils by invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 21:33.28 | jelly-home | shaun_: the kernel can be upgraded independently of the rest |
| 21:33.37 | cato | does anyone know where I can download a netinstall-iso for debian sarge? |
| 21:33.37 | shaun_ | ah |
| 21:33.42 | twiggz | Nyle: im aware of that, i was just saying what kernel is running on MY etch 4.0r1 machine. |
| 21:33.44 | shaun_ | okay i will try for that then |
| 21:33.48 | twiggz | nitpicker |
| 21:33.50 | stew | cato: go to debian.org and click on "Getting Debian" |
| 21:33.50 | abrotman | Cato: ftp.ch.debian.org |
| 21:33.57 | Nyle | twiggz: thats great |
| 21:34.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: _if_? There's lots of hardware that just doesn't work with etch default |
| 21:34.06 | twiggz | yes, wonderful of you to notice. |
| 21:34.12 | abrotman | cato: be aware that sarge is only supported for about six more months |
| 21:34.30 | stew | oh, he's asking about sarge |
| 21:34.38 | stew | cato: why do you want sarge instead of stable? |
| 21:34.50 | cato | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:35.33 | cato | I need a bit older software ... |
| 21:35.45 | xand | why? |
| 21:35.56 | zrin | NTP? |
| 21:35.58 | jelly-home | etch is also a bit older! :-) |
| 21:36.06 | shaun_ | will the same work for lenny? |
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| 21:36.13 | shaun_ | installing the backport |
| 21:36.16 | cato | i wrote some software, and the produktive server is a bit older than my system |
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| 21:36.32 | jelly-home | shaun_: lenny already has 2.6.22 |
| 21:36.40 | shaun_ | oh |
| 21:36.44 | shaun_ | my version has 2.6.21 |
| 21:36.52 | shaun_ | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 21:37.19 | abrotman | shaun_: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:37.20 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
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| 21:37.39 | shaun_ | ah okay, thanks :] |
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| 21:38.26 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+10 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 21:38.52 | jordin | ehhh!!!!!!!1 |
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| 21:42.15 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 21:47.20 | Gatonegro | Hello again, folks... I am not sure if this is the appropiate place to ask this, but i don't know what causes it either: the files in my hard drive are much bigger than they should. For instance, a 50-line bash script is 1.5Kb in size. |
| 21:47.37 | \amethyst | Gatonegro: bigger by what measure? |
| 21:47.52 | stew | Gatonegro: how are you determining the size of the files? |
| 21:47.53 | Gatonegro | \amethyst: By using ls. |
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| 21:48.07 | Gatonegro | stew: ls, and K3B. |
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| 21:48.18 | \amethyst | Gatonegro: 1.5 kB is a reasonable size for a 50-line shell script |
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| 21:48.24 | \amethyst | Gatonegro: how big do you think it should be? |
| 21:48.26 | Gatonegro | (Found it when I tried to write a data CD.) |
| 21:48.54 | wols | Gatonegro: and depending on filesystem the file would be 2kB |
| 21:48.55 | stew | that's 30 bytes per line? that doesn't seem unreasonable |
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| 21:49.22 | wols | same on CD (smallest allocation unit on CD is 2048bytes) |
| 21:50.08 | Gatonegro | wols: I am using ext3. |
| 21:50.19 | h3sp4wn | utf8 takes 2 bytes per char right ? (seems very normal) |
| 21:50.38 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: err, no |
| 21:50.46 | \amethyst | h3sp4wn: utf8 takes 1 to 6 bytes per character |
| 21:50.50 | stew | h3sp4wn: utf8 takes 1 byte for some characters more for others |
| 21:51.15 | abrotman | wtf character takes 6 bytes? |
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| 21:51.25 | JordiGH | abrotman: Probably some in the Chinese scripts? |
| 21:51.26 | stew | abrotman: |
| 21:51.34 | h3sp4wn | stew: Interesting now I don't understand something else but nevermind its not Debian related |
| 21:51.39 | abrotman | i'm not a character! |
| 21:51.50 | JordiGH | Oh, you are QUITE a character, I daresay. |
| 21:51.55 | Eulex | abrotman, those character codes that would use 6 bytes have not been mapped to characters. |
| 21:52.09 | Eulex | afaik. |
| 21:52.10 | stew | abrotman: you must not have a font to display the 6 byte character i just pretended to paste |
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| 21:52.53 | ribnitz | you mean there are chars that cannot be displayed in UTF8? |
| 21:52.56 | JordiGH | Is UTF-8 one of those things like ipv6 that has more characters than total number of elementary particles in the universe? |
| 21:53.05 | Eulex | ribnitz, no |
| 21:53.06 | JordiGH | Every electron in the universe can have its own ipv6 address, right? |
| 21:53.18 | \amethyst | ribnitz: no, but there are valid utf-8 sequences that do not correspond to unicode characters |
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| 21:53.31 | nikok | hmm utf-8 fight? i'm still using iso in my server 'cos most of my shell users don't know how to change iso from putty settings |
| 21:53.35 | nikok | see ya later |
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| 21:55.05 | Eulex | \amethyst, actually, largest utf-8 character is 4 bytes. |
| 21:55.52 | Eulex | according to wikipedia. thought 6 bytes sounded a little big, so I looked it up. |
| 21:55.54 | \amethyst | Eulex: Ah, I see the RFC restricted it to the unicode range |
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| 21:57.29 | stew | JordiGH: so if its 4 bytes, its smaller than ipv4 sized, not ipv6 sized |
| 21:57.41 | jelly-home | stew: my font pretends not to have the character you didn't paste |
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| 21:58.02 | abrotman | stew: pretended to paste huh? <insert 8byte char here> |
| 21:58.05 | JordiGH | stew: Well. Still a helluva lot of characters. |
| 21:58.12 | JordiGH | Could we type in Egyptian? |
| 21:58.33 | stew | there are cuneiform utf-8 characters |
| 21:58.40 | \amethyst | Eulex: The ISO standard from 1993 and 1996 defines a UTF-8 mapping for the entire 32-bit space, but RFC 3629 restricted UTF-8 to 0x10FFFF |
| 21:58.57 | jelly-home | ¯|_ |
| 21:59.05 | JordiGH | Bah. That's not Egyptian. |
| 21:59.16 | stew | oh yeah there are heiroglyphics too |
| 21:59.17 | Eulex | \amethyst, oh. yeah, they restricyed it to 21 bits later on. |
| 21:59.20 | streuner | Why doesnt this work in interfaces? /bin/cat /etc/iptables | /sbin/iptables-restore -c |
| 21:59.21 | jelly-home | that's a Bangles' song reference! |
| 21:59.23 | JordiGH | Sumerians would use Debian, no doubt. |
| 21:59.38 | streuner | Why doesnt this work in interfaces? "pre-up /bin/cat /etc/iptables | /sbin/iptables-restore -c" |
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| 22:00.25 | jelly-home | streuner: pipe? does ifupdown use sh -c 'stuff'? |
| 22:00.40 | Eulex | \amethyst, prolly realized that all those bits would never be used :) |
| 22:00.49 | streuner | jelly-home: prolly not |
| 22:00.56 | jelly-home | streuner: what about foo < file ? |
| 22:01.37 | jelly-home | maybe it has an uuc detector |
| 22:01.38 | streuner | jelly-home: didnt try yet |
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| 22:11.05 | rmaj | what are good 2 people games in linux? |
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| 22:12.48 | Mitja | ? |
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| 22:13.16 | adrakoa | rmaj: gnuchess |
| 22:13.43 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:13.49 | adrakoa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.04 | Nyle | i like scrabble |
| 22:14.24 | Nyle | and monopoly when there are lots of people around |
| 22:14.36 | adrakoa | risk |
| 22:14.46 | Nyle | i never got into risk |
| 22:14.51 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 22:14.51 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 22:14.56 | adrakoa | it's more surprising |
| 22:14.56 | rahul | ^ that's a good game |
| 22:15.00 | Nyle | rahul: got anotherone |
| 22:15.08 | Nyle | rahul: msg |
| 22:15.26 | rahul | I gotta run |
| 22:15.34 | Nyle | start running |
| 22:15.37 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: is someone randomly /msg'ing you? |
| 22:15.43 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: oh no |
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| 22:15.49 | Nyle | I meant me and rahul talk in msg |
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| 22:15.58 | Nyle | about ot stuf you know |
| 22:16.01 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok. We were having a problem earlier with that |
| 22:16.17 | rahul | botsex solicitations |
| 22:16.22 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:16.27 | Nyle | you haven't ran yet? |
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| 22:16.36 | rahul | actually gotta take a shower still |
| 22:16.44 | adrakoa | Nyle: he's freeze |
| 22:16.56 | Nyle | rahul: go check it out then |
| 22:16.57 | Nyle | 2 min |
| 22:17.05 | rahul | I will after my shower |
| 22:17.10 | rahul | when I'm getting dressed |
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| 22:17.16 | Nyle | ok |
| 22:17.23 | rahul | just think, I'll be naked watching videos of you |
| 22:17.26 | Nyle | I gotta get a haircut |
| 22:17.28 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 22:17.31 | rahul | hahah |
| 22:17.31 | Nyle | i hate you |
| 22:17.33 | rahul | heh |
| 22:17.38 | mogra | umm, is this on topic XD |
| 22:17.58 | rahul | mogra: botsex? |
| 22:18.04 | rahul | dpkg: botsex |
| 22:18.04 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
| 22:18.09 | Nyle | umm |
| 22:18.11 | mogra | !dpkg sex |
| 22:18.14 | adrakoa | !mirror person |
| 22:18.16 | mogra | !sex |
| 22:18.16 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 22:18.19 | rahul | shrug, but anyway....... |
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| 22:18.44 | Nyle | lol |
| 22:19.03 | jelly-home | "cd" is a nice though |
| 22:19.05 | jelly-home | touch |
| 22:19.56 | Nyle | finger |
| 22:20.05 | adrakoa | feet |
| 22:20.12 | Nyle | in jr. high we used to say stuipd thigns |
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| 22:20.32 | Nyle | "twat did you say? I cunt understand you. I have an ear infucktion. Let me just finger it out. Bare ass me again" |
| 22:20.44 | mogra | twat dick you say* |
| 22:20.48 | Nyle | etc. etc. and you could keep going on and it used to be really funny |
| 22:21.36 | adrakoa | Nyle: jr. high looks very boring :p |
| 22:21.57 | jelly-home | I meant, the rest is a known joke, but the cd; command is a tiny bit more subtle that the rest |
| 22:22.05 | jelly-home | than* argh |
| 22:23.22 | Nyle | hmmm orange flavored orbit gum |
| 22:23.32 | Nyle | its so good i just wanna eat it, but I can't, cuz its gum |
| 22:24.14 | jelly-home | they also have hard candy |
| 22:24.25 | adrakoa | orbit are hard |
| 22:24.30 | adrakoa | :) |
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| 22:28.44 | drmitch | sorry for not "R-ingTFM' but I don't even know what to search for. is there a way in gnu-screen to switch screens? I want to swap screen1 and screen2 so that the switching order will go from 1,2,3 to 1,3,2 |
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| 22:29.39 | Nyle | drmitch: man screen |
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| 22:30.10 | Nyle | c^a, c^d to detatch, screen -list, screen -r, screen -d |
| 22:30.11 | Nyle | etc. etc |
| 22:31.21 | dondelelcaro | drmitch: specifically, read about the command line mode and the number command. |
| 22:32.26 | rmaj | how to download a http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=1234 something to hard drive (as a file to play offline)? |
| 22:32.58 | drmitch | rmaj: google has a link on the site |
| 22:33.41 | rmaj | drmitch: download for: iPod wtf |
| 22:34.10 | mavhk | just dl the ipod version |
| 22:34.14 | rmaj | its a .mp4 ! |
| 22:34.18 | mavhk | exactly |
| 22:34.19 | rmaj | how to play it O_o |
| 22:34.19 | \amethyst | drmitch: the number command |
| 22:34.24 | mavhk | use a computer |
| 22:34.38 | rmaj | mp4 is mpeg4? |
| 22:34.40 | \amethyst | drmitch: ctrl-a :number 7 swaps the current window with window 7 |
| 22:34.42 | mavhk | vlc will play it |
| 22:35.02 | drmitch | or you could freshmeat search "video download" |
| 22:35.09 | drmitch | thanks \amethyst and dondelelcaro |
| 22:35.11 | rmaj | mavhk: oh and I was going to use the abacus |
| 22:35.23 | \amethyst | oh, dondelelcaro beat me to it |
| 22:35.32 | Nyle | and me too |
| 22:35.34 | rmaj | mavhk: thanks; btw vlc rulez almost :) |
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| 22:35.39 | Nyle | no |
| 22:35.41 | Nyle | mplayer rules |
| 22:35.56 | Nyle | mplayer rules with an s not a z |
| 22:36.04 | rmaj | Nyle: it rules when playing dvd menus |
| 22:36.15 | Nyle | so does mplayer |
| 22:36.19 | mavhk | at rules at being a free dvd player that works on windows |
| 22:36.29 | jelly-home | unlike, say, vlc |
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| 22:36.29 | rmaj | Nyle: since which version in debian? |
| 22:36.32 | Nyle | we are not in #windows |
| 22:36.55 | Nyle | since always |
| 22:37.03 | Nyle | mplayer is THE 'm' player for linux |
| 22:37.04 | jelly-home | mplayer never did menus for me |
| 22:37.05 | Nyle | bar none |
| 22:37.24 | mogra | VLC is pretty tight, I think it falls in that "CHOICES" thing |
| 22:37.29 | rmaj | Nyle: mplayer didnt play dvd _menus_ last time I checked |
| 22:37.38 | Nyle | what do you mean dvd menu? |
| 22:37.43 | jelly-home | eh. |
| 22:37.46 | Nyle | gmplayer |
| 22:37.46 | Nyle | dude |
| 22:37.50 | rmaj | mogra: vlc lacks borderless-shitless-puire-image window mode |
| 22:37.50 | Nyle | its fully graphical |
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| 22:38.00 | Nyle | its the same as mplayer |
| 22:38.08 | mogra | rmaj: you mean fullscreen? |
| 22:38.15 | jelly-home | Nyle: put a dvd in in dvd player, get a menu |
| 22:38.16 | maki | hi |
| 22:38.25 | Nyle | hang on |
| 22:38.35 | Nyle | i got blade trinity |
| 22:38.35 | rmaj | mogra: nope, windowed, but with tiny 4 pixel border, instead huge border+window title+menu+other crap |
| 22:38.50 | maki | does the netinstall cd have graphical installer? |
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| 22:39.20 | Nyle | maki: yes |
| 22:39.20 | rmaj | Nyle: dvd menus... its exacly what it sounds like |
| 22:39.34 | rmaj | GUI menu to chooase options, language and with other bonus stuff |
| 22:39.48 | Nyle | you mean inside the dvd? |
| 22:39.48 | maki | ok |
| 22:40.00 | Nyle | you get menus the player |
| 22:40.01 | jelly-home | good thing this channel is for support and not for polls and flame wars |
| 22:40.06 | Nyle | for subtitle, chapters and everything |
| 22:40.30 | rmaj | vlc fails |
| 22:40.33 | Nyle | well m player wont' play my dvd |
| 22:40.35 | Nyle | it crashed |
| 22:40.37 | Nyle | locked up |
| 22:40.40 | rmaj | to play an 13posterunekS02x17.mp4: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 1 |
| 22:40.45 | Nyle | now the process is a zombie |
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| 22:41.21 | rmaj | Nyle: the DVD menu is customise, it have nice graphics and stuff, with data taken from given DVD |
| 22:41.55 | Nyle | that makes no sense |
| 22:42.07 | mogra | You are really arguing your case, there, Nyle. |
| 22:42.16 | Nyle | I have no idea what dvd menu is? |
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| 22:42.29 | Nyle | how can I argue if i have no idea |
| 22:42.33 | Nyle | hmm |
| 22:42.44 | rmaj | [00000300] mp4 demuxer error: MP4 plugin discarded (no moov box) [00000293] access_file access error: seeking too far [mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 0xb222eaf0]mov: header not found !!! (err:0, moov:0, mdat:0) pos:0 VLC when playingISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 1 |
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| 22:43.01 | Nyle | I got dvd menus in mplayer |
| 22:43.06 | Nyle | i dunno what you guys are going on about |
| 22:43.12 | Nyle | im looking at blade 3 right now |
| 22:43.12 | fas3r | hello everybosy |
| 22:43.16 | Nyle | right click for menus |
| 22:43.17 | fas3r | everybody* |
| 22:43.18 | mogra | I'm not on about anything, I'm just commenting that your mplayer crashed. |
| 22:43.19 | Nyle | easy |
| 22:43.20 | amphi | Nyle: having only used mplayer, I was quite unaware there was such a thing for several years ;) |
| 22:43.26 | maki | bye, gonna come back when i install debian :) |
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| 22:43.31 | Nyle | ok bye |
| 22:43.33 | Nyle | good luck |
| 22:43.43 | rmaj | amphi: it works actually now? how to? |
| 22:43.55 | jelly-home | Nyle: there's no "right click" on dvd menus. Which version of mplayer? |
| 22:44.13 | amphi | rmaj: mplayer dvd://n where n is the bit you want to see |
| 22:44.15 | Nyle | jelly-home: the one in sid |
| 22:44.28 | icnocop | how do i find out who is currently logged in to my server? (i.e. ssh and sftp) |
| 22:44.48 | jelly-home | Nyle: and that is...? |
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| 22:44.53 | rmaj | amphi: uhm.. but how to see the menu itself |
| 22:44.57 | amphi | rmaj: often dvd:// is enough, but sometimes the 'content' is dvd://3 or whatever |
| 22:45.01 | Nyle | i dunno man quit making me do all sorts of work |
| 22:45.01 | rmaj | dvd://2 will go to chapter 2 |
| 22:45.27 | Nyle | Version: 1.0~rc2-4 |
| 22:45.30 | mogra | perhaps this should be taken to #mplayer xD |
| 22:45.34 | amphi | rmaj: as I said, I never saw the menu, or even knew there was such a thing - I only found out watching a dvd on someone's hardware player ;) |
| 22:45.45 | rmaj | amphi: well this is obvious :) |
| 22:45.54 | rmaj | the question is does mplayher support actuall dvd menus now |
| 22:45.59 | Nyle | Maintainer: A Mennucc1 <mennucc1@debian.org> |
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| 22:46.17 | amphi | rmaj: ISTR hearing it did, sorta |
| 22:46.20 | rmaj | ok I failed to play this stupid file :< |
| 22:46.24 | Nyle | I have had dvd menus in mplayer for over 3 years now |
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| 22:46.41 | Nyle | all you do is pop in a dvd, start mmplayer, right clck int he player window, and use the dvd menus |
| 22:46.42 | mogra | Nyle, what menu are you referring to? Right-Click is a context menu |
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| 22:46.43 | rmaj | anyone can download to hdd and play offline following: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9208418729889410819 ? |
| 22:46.44 | Nyle | whats so fuckig hard about it |
| 22:46.46 | Nyle | goddamit man |
| 22:46.50 | Nyle | its gmplayer not mplayer |
| 22:46.51 | n-iCe- | How can I kill all the proccess? |
| 22:46.54 | Nyle | mplayer has no gui or no menus |
| 22:47.31 | twiggz | can anyone point me into the right direction for getting a creative webcam to work? |
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| 22:47.37 | Nyle | im gonna go chew some gum |
| 22:47.39 | twiggz | im googling...but they all seem to be deadends... |
| 22:47.39 | vjt | Nyle, fire up gmplayer :) |
| 22:48.12 | Nyle | ok |
| 22:48.19 | Nyle | why |
| 22:48.19 | assasukasse | hi all |
| 22:48.30 | assasukasse | how can i check wich program is using my port 6883 |
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| 22:48.51 | NiSoOo | ? |
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| 22:49.04 | Nyle | mogra: oh |
| 22:49.05 | Nyle | umm |
| 22:49.10 | mbroeker | assasukasse, netstat -atulpen last column |
| 22:49.10 | mogra | Nyle, I think they mean the MENU that comes up when you pop a DVD into a DVD player, you know, "Play", "Options", "Special Features" |
| 22:49.12 | Nyle | what exactly is a dvd menu |
| 22:49.26 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:49.29 | mogra | mplayer skips that |
| 22:49.30 | Nyle | thats not a menu? |
| 22:49.32 | Nyle | i mean |
| 22:49.34 | Nyle | thats not a menu |
| 22:49.35 | Nyle | per se |
| 22:49.41 | Nyle | thsoe are dvd options |
| 22:49.47 | Nyle | oh ok i know what yo umean now |
| 22:49.52 | mogra | It's called a "DVD Menu" on many DVD Players |
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| 22:50.07 | Nyle | yeh i get it now, i just didn't know it was also called dvd menu |
| 22:50.13 | Nyle | I thought it was the 'dvd' menu on mplayer |
| 22:50.25 | mogra | I figured you were. |
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| 22:50.49 | jelly-home | you choose what to play on it, which audio track, language for subs... it's a menu ;-) |
| 22:50.56 | Nyle | heh |
| 22:51.00 | Nyle | no its options |
| 22:51.03 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 22:52.01 | assasukasse | thanks mbroeker |
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| 22:54.06 | twiggz | creative webcams? anybody? |
| 22:56.13 | amphi | twiggz: no thanks |
| 22:56.50 | twiggz | no thanks as in you dont know shit about them or as in your being rude? |
| 22:57.46 | Nyle | maybe he was trying to be funny |
| 22:58.04 | twiggz | oh, harharhar. |
| 22:58.09 | Nyle | see |
| 22:58.17 | Nyle | now you are being rude. |
| 22:58.27 | twiggz | no, i was being sarcastic. |
| 22:58.33 | Nyle | simonrvn: hey there |
| 22:58.37 | simonrvn | hi |
| 22:58.43 | twiggz | if i was being rude id have called someone a cocksucker or an asshole. |
| 22:58.45 | twiggz | lol. |
| 22:58.46 | Nyle | I have a treat for you simon |
| 22:58.51 | Nyle | you have a minute or two |
| 22:58.52 | twiggz | thats just me though. |
| 22:59.25 | simonrvn | twiggz: *rolls eyes* |
| 22:59.28 | simonrvn | Nyle: sure |
| 22:59.36 | Nyle | msg |
| 22:59.53 | rahul | sounds toasty |
| 22:59.54 | rahul | heh |
| 23:00.17 | twiggz | Simoneloco: dont let them roll to far, you may need those later. |
| 23:00.22 | twiggz | er |
| 23:00.27 | twiggz | simonrvn^ |
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| 23:01.23 | simonrvn | they have springs on them, i'm not worried |
| 23:01.33 | Nyle | rahul: what? |
| 23:01.43 | Nyle | you want me to kick your ass |
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| 23:01.46 | Nyle | cuz I know where yo live |
| 23:01.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:01.48 | rahul | heh |
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| 23:02.06 | simonrvn | hey there rahul - i was just wondering about you wednesday |
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| 23:02.26 | rahul | simonrvn: oh, because that's the day I usualy wear womens' underwear? |
| 23:02.36 | Nyle | yeh he was out whoring himself to completely strangers all over the country... ok thats worse |
| 23:02.40 | rahul | interesting... what did you want to do with my underwear? |
| 23:02.41 | Nyle | cross dressing? |
| 23:02.43 | Nyle | I mean c'mon |
| 23:02.46 | rahul | heh |
| 23:02.54 | Nyle | my grammar sucks |
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| 23:04.40 | Nyle | rahul gandoo |
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| 23:04.46 | Nyle | :D |
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| 23:05.02 | rahul | behnchode |
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| 23:05.10 | Nyle | ye |
| 23:05.14 | Nyle | yes I am |
| 23:05.16 | Nyle | ehhehe |
| 23:05.17 | Nyle | yes I am |
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| 23:06.13 | mick_home_ | hey everyone - how do i find out what packages require a particular one (that isn't installed) |
| 23:06.20 | rahul | http://www.myspace.com/raintime <- check their cover of Beat It |
| 23:06.29 | fox32 | mick_home_: you can look it up online |
| 23:06.33 | simonrvn | rahul: nah, just wondering if you were ok |
| 23:06.35 | fox32 | i have a problem |
| 23:06.35 | rahul | mick_home_: aptitude install blah and then say not when it asks |
| 23:06.36 | mick_home_ | i want to find an xmpp client that uses gloox |
| 23:06.52 | rahul | simonrvn: well, you can be sure that whereever I am, I'm never quite ok |
| 23:06.53 | fox32 | i cant get the wireless internet to work |
| 23:06.58 | fox32 | but ubuntu works fine |
| 23:06.59 | mick_home_ | taht isn't really what i want to do |
| 23:06.59 | dutchfish | i am running alot into an anoying bug: seahorse freezes up evevrytime i check properties see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406139, will there be fix migrating into etch? or do i have to live with it? can i fix this myself by compiling a newer version ( make a backport)? |
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| 23:07.11 | mick_home_ | i want to do a reverse lookup of a dependency |
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| 23:07.23 | mick_home_ | "what requires that dependency" basically |
| 23:07.34 | rahul | apt-cache showpkg blah |
| 23:07.49 | fox32 | Does anyone know about WIFI |
| 23:07.50 | mick_home_ | ah thanks :) |
| 23:07.55 | fox32 | i need help with WIFI |
| 23:08.01 | rahul | mick_home_: but it should be in the package's info in aptitude |
| 23:08.03 | mick_home_ | fox32: enough to know to not use it |
| 23:08.05 | rahul | "Reverse Depends" |
| 23:08.12 | fox32 | mick_home_: why not |
| 23:08.59 | mick_home_ | ah crap - none of them use gloox :( |
| 23:09.08 | fox32 | i need help with WIFI |
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| 23:09.14 | rahul | damn, that cover of beat it is hillarious |
| 23:09.17 | mick_home_ | fox32: oh i have always had issues w/ wifi -- needing nsdiswrapper and such nonsense |
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| 23:09.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | i have a question RE the orphaned packages in debian. do they ever get NMU'd (conceptually) to update them one-off, or do they stay orphaned at <level> until they are adopted/removed? |
| 23:09.40 | fox32 | mick_home_: ubuntu works fine |
| 23:09.42 | rahul | Kamping_Kaiser: they sometimes get maintained |
| 23:10.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | rahul, do you know if theres a policy of maintaining or not, or is it just 'i want it updated, i'll update it'? |
| 23:10.44 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: in general they bitrot, they might be qa uploaded from time to time to fix bugs, especially packaging bugs, but most often they bitrot until they are adopted or removeed |
| 23:10.45 | fox32 | i need help with WIFI |
| 23:10.50 | fox32 | Does anyone know about WIFI |
| 23:10.59 | rahul | Kamping_Kaiser: well, NMUs are not to be taken lightly |
| 23:11.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew, ok |
| 23:11.26 | rahul | Kamping_Kaiser: also, sometimes debian-qa will "maintain" the package |
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| 23:11.39 | pmo_ | fox32, you have a laptop and wifi doesn't work ? |
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| 23:11.52 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: i doubt there would be specific policy, but if you wanted to look, the debian developer reference is more likely to have something than the debian policy manual |
| 23:12.09 | fox32 | pmo_: its a desktop |
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| 23:12.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew, i'll have a look, thanks. |
| 23:12.15 | fox32 | but i use wireless |
| 23:12.24 | fox32 | because i roll it around |
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| 23:12.45 | pmo_ | fox32, you should find out what chip is on you device and setup the appropriate driver |
| 23:13.05 | pmo_ | fox32, what says a iwconfig |
| 23:13.32 | fox32 | IEEE 802.11g |
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| 23:13.47 | pmo_ | fox32, good, recognized :) |
| 23:14.03 | fox32 | i really wanna use debian |
| 23:14.04 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: if there is a particular piece of orphaned software that interests you, you could always consider adopting it yourself |
| 23:14.07 | pmo_ | fox32, now the deal is to set it up |
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| 23:14.26 | fox32 | how do i do that |
| 23:14.57 | pmo_ | fox32, what is the name of the device.. ethX or raX ? |
| 23:14.58 | dutchfish | i am running alot into an anoying bug: seahorse freezes up everytime i check properties see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406139, will there be a fix migrating into etch? or do i have to live with it? can i fix this myself by compiling a newer version ( make a backport)? |
| 23:15.14 | fox32 | ath0 |
| 23:15.34 | rahul | show me how fuckin strong is your bite. just beat it! |
| 23:15.34 | Szeraa1 | dutchfish: what version do you run? woody, etch? |
| 23:15.42 | dutchfish | Szeraa1, etch |
| 23:15.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew, i'm a long way from being able to adopt stuff i think (i'm just starting to go through the doco) |
| 23:15.53 | fox32 | pmo_: pmed you all of it |
| 23:16.09 | Szeraa1 | if its in the repos for etch, the bug shouldn't be there |
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| 23:16.26 | pmo_ | fox32, if you want |
| 23:16.27 | Szeraa1 | but since it appears to be, i think that when fixed, it will be put into etch |
| 23:16.53 | Szeraa1 | fox32: what is happening with it? |
| 23:16.54 | stew | dutchfish: that is not a bug that would be migrated to etch |
| 23:16.58 | pmo_ | fox32, iwconfig ath0 ? |
| 23:17.07 | fox32 | um |
| 23:17.12 | fox32 | im on ubuntu right now |
| 23:17.14 | stew | dutchfish: err the fix would not be migrated to etch. its not security related and it does not make the package unusable |
| 23:17.14 | Szeraa1 | k |
| 23:17.18 | fox32 | using wireless |
| 23:17.25 | fox32 | i wanna use debian |
| 23:17.31 | fox32 | but i cant figure out where to start |
| 23:17.37 | fox32 | ubuntu detects it right away |
| 23:17.37 | Szeraa1 | what card do yo have? |
| 23:17.43 | fox32 | im not sure |
| 23:17.50 | Szeraa1 | internal for lappy? |
| 23:17.55 | dutchfish | stew, its in 0.9.7-1 till 0.9.10-1 fixed probably in 0.9.10-2 |
| 23:17.57 | fox32 | internal |
| 23:17.59 | fox32 | for tower |
| 23:18.00 | fox32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.01 | pmo_ | fox32, you seem pretty close.. since the more difficult can be, to install the driver, when this one doesn'"t really work |
| 23:18.09 | Szeraa1 | what about lspci |
| 23:18.24 | pmo_ | fox32, iwconfig ath0 and iwlist scan |
| 23:18.39 | fox32 | pm you the output? |
| 23:18.43 | pmo_ | fox32, yes |
| 23:18.46 | Szeraa1 | would rather pastebin |
| 23:18.50 | Szeraa1 | so all can see it... |
| 23:19.00 | pmo_ | Szeraa1, yep better.. |
| 23:19.04 | fox32 | link? |
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| 23:19.07 | Szeraa1 | yes |
| 23:19.18 | pmo_ | fox32, well you should see your wireless access point on iwlist scan ? |
| 23:19.19 | Szeraa1 | wtf, Szeraa1? should be Szeraax... |
| 23:19.32 | pmo_ | fox32, something like Cell ... |
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| 23:20.09 | pmo_ | fox32, that means it can find out the AP.. |
| 23:20.14 | fox32 | http://pastebin.com/d4a2fc175 |
| 23:20.46 | pmo_ | fox32, good :) |
| 23:20.49 | Nyle | man I'm bored |
| 23:20.56 | fox32 | http://pastebin.com/d737f2b00 |
| 23:21.10 | Szeraa1 | k |
| 23:21.11 | cusco | fox32: what is the chipset of your wireless device? |
| 23:21.16 | Szeraa1 | what about 'lspci' |
| 23:21.18 | pmo_ | fox32, it is working ? |
| 23:21.23 | Szeraa1 | cusco: he doesn't know |
| 23:21.31 | cusco | ath0, can you install madwifi on debian? |
| 23:21.33 | fox32 | pmo_: it works on ubuntu |
| 23:21.36 | fox32 | i wanna use debian |
| 23:21.41 | fox32 | idk |
| 23:21.52 | fox32 | id have to uninstall and reinstall |
| 23:21.52 | cusco | fox32: if you have a ath0 that means you have an atheros |
| 23:21.54 | Szeraa1 | proly just doesn't have madwifi done... |
| 23:22.00 | cusco | and you're using the madwifi driver |
| 23:22.02 | fox32 | alli need is madwifi |
| 23:22.06 | Szeraa1 | yes |
| 23:22.17 | fox32 | on debian |
| 23:22.17 | fox32 | and it will work |
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| 23:22.17 | Szeraa1 | yes |
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| 23:22.28 | fox32 | thanks for you help |
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| 23:22.41 | Szeraa1 | madwifi isn't in any official repos though, you will have to add a custom one or dl the packages yourself |
| 23:22.52 | cusco | so to install madwifi on debian just check http://madwifi.org/ |
| 23:23.00 | cusco | !tell fox32 about madwifi |
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| 23:23.49 | Szeraa1 | night all |
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| 23:23.59 | null | Hello, I have a little problem, I think that my mail setup is correct, but only with hotmail & gmail my mails goes to SPAM dir, any idea how can I debug that? |
| 23:24.03 | cusco | wrong |
| 23:24.09 | cusco | madwifi is in the non-free section |
| 23:24.44 | cusco | null: what are you using to filter spam? spamassassin? |
| 23:25.07 | null | cusco: no no, the problem comes on gmail/hotmail filters :( |
| 23:25.13 | cusco | ahhh |
| 23:25.20 | null | I have a problem sending mail to those sites. |
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| 23:25.42 | null | my reverse dns points correct to my mx too, all I think that is correct ... :/ |
| 23:25.45 | cusco | do you have a reverse dns entry for your mailserver's ip? |
| 23:25.50 | null | yes |
| 23:25.53 | cusco | do you have an spf reccord? |
| 23:26.02 | null | yes, and it passes to gmail as 'OK' |
| 23:26.18 | simonrvn | Nyle: it's like with my singing, i used to have very little confidence in my ability. now, i know i can sing, and well. i just have always keep in mind *why* i'm doing it, and who for (the community, as well as myself) |
| 23:26.23 | cusco | hmmm :( |
| 23:26.27 | cusco | I don't know |
| 23:26.38 | null | cusco: Yes, is very strange ... |
| 23:26.52 | null | cusco: do you know some way to debug something like that? |
| 23:27.04 | simonrvn | null: is it newly set up? |
| 23:27.09 | cusco | would it be due to the content? |
| 23:27.19 | cusco | have you sent just a test email with no adverts on etc |
| 23:27.22 | simonrvn | sometimes a new mx will make them go "oh that's poo" |
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| 23:27.26 | null | simonrvn: nope, comes frome more that two years! hehehe |
| 23:27.35 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:27.36 | zeug | is there a simple one-liner i can run to test the write speed of a drive? |
| 23:28.02 | cusco | zeug: there is hdparm |
| 23:28.10 | cusco | zeug: hdparm -Tt /dev/hda1 |
| 23:28.13 | cusco | or something |
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| 23:28.44 | null | simonrvn: it's strange, it only happends on gmail & hotmail sites. |
| 23:29.11 | null | If I send using my ISP 'works' sometime, but I want to know why it does not work? :) |
| 23:29.17 | zeug | cusco, thanks, that works |
| 23:29.26 | simonrvn | hotmail i'm not too surprised, gmail, they might've tagged your ip block as a dynamic ip block with spammer issues |
| 23:29.59 | simonrvn | hotmail still accepts my mail, but the domain's been around a long time |
| 23:30.08 | Jyzygzy- | what is the best file system for a fileserver? |
| 23:30.10 | simonrvn | longish* |
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| 23:30.19 | Jyzygzy- | to store big files |
| 23:30.29 | simonrvn | Jyzygzy-: *not* resier |
| 23:30.44 | null | simonrvn: it is possible to see 'why gmail considers me as spammer' ? I have a static IP |
| 23:30.47 | simonrvn | Jyzygzy-: i usually go for ext3, jfs, ext2 |
| 23:31.02 | Jyzygzy- | something that is safe |
| 23:31.05 | Jyzygzy- | does not brake easily |
| 23:31.11 | simonrvn | null: must be something else then. |
| 23:31.14 | simonrvn | "break" |
| 23:31.21 | Jyzygzy- | yea |
| 23:31.44 | simonrvn | those ^^ IME are the safest |
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| 23:33.08 | simonrvn | null: have you tried with just a test email? is your mta inserting odd headers? |
| 23:34.09 | null | simonrvn: nope, my spamassasin score 0.1 only |
| 23:34.22 | simonrvn | 0.1? |
| 23:34.26 | simonrvn | why not 0? |
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| 23:34.48 | hello_there | hi |
| 23:34.51 | hello_there | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.01 | null | simonrvn: can I send you an email? :) |
| 23:35.05 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 23:35.14 | fanti | how must the apt.sources line looks like when i do want to get the packages from experimental http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ available for apt-get ? |
| 23:35.17 | Jyzygzy- | cat /dev/random > /proc/kmsg |
| 23:35.19 | null | to see if you see something wrong |
| 23:35.26 | simonrvn | null: sec |
| 23:35.34 | hello_there | Jyzygzy- i'm on windows |
| 23:35.51 | simonrvn | kinda pointless then, innit |
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| 23:40.10 | simonrvn | null: did you get all that? |
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| 23:41.01 | simonrvn | null: i tagged it not spam. it'll help a bit ;) |
| 23:41.14 | null | thank you! |
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| 23:50.24 | Dunedan | I've a little question about packaging deb-packages: Is it possible to remove redundant dependencies of a packages automagically? E.g.: konversation depends on kdelibs4c2a, so it don't need explicit depend on libfam0 because kdelibs4c2a already depends on that lib. |
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| 23:52.41 | lyroy | after modifying the bind9 source how can I build it to update the actual running bind? |
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| 23:53.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | lyroy, depends where you got the source |
| 23:53.17 | lyroy | from apt source |
| 23:53.23 | lyroy | apt-get source |
| 23:53.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dunedan, debian/control |
| 23:53.52 | Kevin` | there is some automated command for it right? |
| 23:53.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | lyroy, dpkg-buildpackage to build package, dpkg -i <x,y,z>.deb to install |
| 23:54.03 | Kevin` | (there must be, the packages are built automatically) |
| 23:54.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres a few of them |
| 23:54.22 | Dunedan | Kamping_Kaiser: I can do it manually there, but it's hard to figure out which dependencies are redunant. Is there a way to find that out? |
| 23:54.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | pbuilder/dpkg-buildpackage and others i dont know of |
| 23:54.40 | simonrvn | i tend to use debuild |
| 23:54.46 | lyroy | thanks I will try this! |
| 23:54.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dunedan, ah. i didnt get the question - not sure. is the answer. try #debian-mentors on oftc? |
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| 23:55.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | not tried debuild *hm* |
| 23:55.07 | Dunedan | all right. Thanks. |
| 23:56.07 | lyroy | I untar the source from apt-get source bind after modifying the sources do I need to tar it? |
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| 23:56.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | simonrvn, debuild looks interesting. |
| 23:56.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | lyroy, you dont do that :| |
| 23:57.00 | lyroy | why? |
| 23:57.01 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 23:57.01 | dpkg | somebody said nmg was Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 23:57.15 | Kevin` | lyroy it should have extracted the source for you |
| 23:57.23 | Kevin` | and applied any patches |
| 23:57.26 | lyroy | hmm |
| 23:57.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont think apt-get source does - you need to dpkg-source -x |
| 23:58.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk. |
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| 23:58.36 | lyroy | so I need to get the source from apt-get source bind9 ... and the dpkg-source -x ??? |
| 23:59.24 | stew | lyroy: no, apt-get source runs dpkg-soruce -x for you |
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| 23:59.48 | lyroy | stew your right :) |
| 23:59.50 | esaym | is amd64 kernel the best for intel core 2 duo? |
