| 00:00.04 | stew | esaym: yes |
| 00:00.15 | lyroy | after modifying the source all I need to do is dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:00.24 | Kevin` | I want a core 2, someone want to donate me one? :) |
| 00:00.30 | esaym | ok cool |
| 00:00.36 | stew | esaym: if its a desktop machine where you are going to want to use stuff like flash and java in a browser or certain non-free multimedia codecs, you may opt for 32 bit instead |
| 00:00.44 | abrotman | Kevin`: they're really not that expensive |
| 00:01.35 | jelly-home | Kevin`: I'll donate a cpu if you donate me 300 bucks or whatever |
| 00:01.40 | Kevin` | lol |
| 00:02.50 | jelly-home | we got some AMD X2 in business desktops at work and they're nice |
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| 00:03.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:03.24 | simonrvn | 300$? whoah |
| 00:03.42 | jelly-home | pulled the number out of thin air, I don't really have a clue |
| 00:03.48 | abrotman | not even close |
| 00:04.17 | simonrvn | more? less? |
| 00:04.21 | abrotman | less |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | check newegg |
| 00:04.29 | simonrvn | 150? |
| 00:04.38 | abrotman | i think you can get a lowend for $100 |
| 00:04.43 | simonrvn | fuck, i can get a p4 for 150 around here |
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| 00:04.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:05.03 | simonrvn | with dvd burner, 80 gb hdd, ... |
| 00:05.22 | jelly-home | i was thinking only the cpu |
| 00:05.23 | cire | is there a commandline-tool which shows all users and shares who are accessing my server via samba? |
| 00:05.23 | Kevin` | what's a good channel for the linux kernel? |
| 00:05.29 | jelly-home | Kevin`: ##kernel? |
| 00:05.30 | Kevin` | (on any network) |
| 00:05.52 | null | simonrvn: I get that using an spammer checkr, (0.8 points) Message has priority setting, but no X-Mailer |
| 00:05.58 | null | how can I add X-Mailer? |
| 00:06.14 | cire | eg. "username sharename/path/file" |
| 00:06.17 | simonrvn | X-Mailer, that should be added by squirrelmail |
| 00:06.26 | jelly-home | null: remove the priority setting instead |
| 00:06.37 | jelly-home | User-Agent is used these days |
| 00:06.43 | simonrvn | that would be better, removes the points for the priority |
| 00:06.56 | null | from config.php? :) |
| 00:07.28 | jelly-home | so you _are_ using squirrelmail? They have a channel. #squirrelmail |
| 00:07.38 | null | sorry jelly-home |
| 00:08.06 | jelly-home | uh. no need to be sorry |
| 00:08.52 | null | I am on #squirrelmail too, but no one responds me :) |
| 00:09.12 | jelly-home | so wait. |
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| 00:11.16 | null | $default_use_priority = false; interesting, using that remove 0.8 problem :) |
| 00:11.19 | null | thanks |
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| 00:11.45 | simonrvn | that should help |
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| 00:12.10 | NiSoOo | can i install debian through a usb disk-on-key? |
| 00:12.22 | stew | NiSoOo: yes, /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 00:12.36 | NiSoOo | tnx stew :) |
| 00:13.40 | NiSoOo | A BIOS capable of booting from a USB memory stick |
| 00:13.48 | NiSoOo | how do i check my bios? |
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| 00:16.44 | arnaudv | err |
| 00:17.00 | lyroy | the problem is when I run dpkg-buildpackage in the bind9 source directory, it dosent compile with the modification I've done in the source directory... do I miss something? |
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| 00:19.30 | arnaudv | hi all |
| 00:19.39 | arnaudv | havin a good time? |
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| 00:19.58 | dondelelcaro | lyroy: uh... what changes did you make? |
| 00:20.09 | arnaudv | don't have any questions just saying hi |
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| 00:20.09 | dondelelcaro | lyroy: and how do you know they weren't compiled with those modifications? |
| 00:20.14 | lyroy | the bind mysql modification |
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| 00:20.31 | SexyKen | Anyohe know of the linux virtual server? |
| 00:20.45 | stew | SexyKen: just as your real question |
| 00:20.51 | null | keepalived/heartbeat? |
| 00:21.05 | lyroy | I put the result in a log file and I did a grep mysql to see if he compile mysqldb.c and I did not find something |
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| 00:21.30 | SexyKen | I'm just curious to know if there is an IRC channel for it...how is that? |
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| 00:21.38 | stew | SexyKen: #linux-ha |
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| 00:22.19 | SexyKen | Do you have any experience with load balancing and ha using linux? |
| 00:23.23 | lyroy | the problem I think is there: |
| 00:23.24 | lyroy | dpkg-source -b bind9-9.3.4 |
| 00:23.25 | lyroy | dpkg-source: building bind9 using existing bind9_9.3.4.orig.tar.gz |
| 00:23.47 | lyroy | why he is using the tar.gz? |
| 00:23.56 | lyroy | instead of only the source directory |
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| 00:24.22 | amphi | lyroy: you want to use -nc with dpkg-buildpackage I think, otherwise it unpacks the code from the tarball again, I think |
| 00:24.45 | lyroy | ok I will try it |
| 00:25.13 | SexyKen | Just wonderin gif anyone has suggestions on software to use for Linux-Based Load Balancing and High Availability |
| 00:25.17 | amphi | lyroy: I had such a problem building a patched mplayer, and -nc was the solution IIRC |
| 00:26.05 | abrotman | SexyKen: #linux-ha |
| 00:26.14 | SexyKen | Yea -- all 10 people are dead ;-) |
| 00:27.01 | stew | SexyKen: i recommend using LVS and heartbeat. read the docs at ultramonkey.org |
| 00:27.33 | abrotman | there are 36 |
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| 00:28.54 | SexyKen | abrotman: Okay, and your point? When they're all quiet does it matter if there's 10, 36 or 1000? |
| 00:28.55 | SexyKen | Not so much. |
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| 00:29.30 | abrotman | SexyKen: you *asked* if there was an irc channel |
| 00:29.37 | NiSoOo | how do i check if my bios supports booting from mp3? |
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| 00:29.59 | abrotman | from mp3? |
| 00:30.12 | NiSoOo | usb disk-on-key |
| 00:30.16 | NiSoOo | also :p |
| 00:30.22 | abrotman | NiSoOo: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | NiSoOo: and then check your motherboard manual |
| 00:30.41 | SexyKen | And the question was answered *before* you... |
| 00:30.55 | NiSoOo | tnx |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | SexyKen: you asked after it was answered ... |
| 00:31.11 | esaym | is there a way to extract a deb to a folder? |
| 00:31.15 | abrotman | NiSoOo: or just go into your bios and look |
| 00:31.20 | abrotman | esaym: ar x file.deb |
| 00:31.46 | esaym | abrotman: oh ok let me see |
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| 00:33.26 | OlaX | esaym: dpkg -x file.deb |
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| 00:35.52 | nuxis | can someone help me with blackbox (there is no one who answers on #blackbox) |
| 00:36.11 | abrotman | nuxis: just ask |
| 00:36.31 | esaym | OlaX: will dpkg -x extract the deb in the current folder only? |
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| 00:36.42 | stew | esaym: in whatever folder you tell it to |
| 00:36.54 | nuxis | well I think blackbox reads the wrong config file I made the config files in my home dir but don't have the right menu however in my home dir the .blackboxrc is configured right |
| 00:36.57 | esaym | hmm |
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| 00:37.00 | esaym | ok thanks guys |
| 00:37.06 | petriborg | anyone in the channel have any experence trying to setup an encrypted raid during install? for some reason my encrypted swap won't mount |
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| 00:38.03 | skitpt | hello everyone im trying (for some hours now) to "install" a 4965agn wireless card on debian lenny amd64 running on 2.6.22-3 |
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| 00:38.34 | skitpt | can someone help me out ? i have tried iwlwifi but just ended up on a bunch of errors |
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| 00:38.56 | abrotman | nuxis: are the permissions correct? |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 00:39.18 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets and can be found at http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi It doesn't need the binary regulatory daemon but is not easy to get working with kernels older than 2.6.21. Not directly supported by Debian at present although microcode is in 'firmware-iwlwifi'. For a Debian HOWTO, see http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 00:39.25 | nuxis | in my home dir all permisions are set to nuxis yea |
| 00:39.35 | nuxis | and there is the config etc.. |
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| 00:41.33 | abrotman | nuxis: did you try blackbox -rc ~/.blackboxrc ? |
| 00:41.57 | nuxis | abrotman: yup but I need to enter a display and then it say"s display not found |
| 00:42.16 | abrotman | nuxis: how are you starting X ? |
| 00:42.22 | nuxis | abrotman: using gdm |
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| 00:42.38 | abrotman | so what's in your ~/.xsession ? |
| 00:42.53 | petriborg | magic crap from X |
| 00:42.57 | nuxis | I got a nice menu etc.. but when I added the strucutre in my home dir I din't got any menu |
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| 00:43.18 | nuxis | sec lemme paste it on pastebin |
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| 00:43.56 | nuxis | http://pastebin.com/m5d310d04 |
| 00:44.43 | abrotman | nuxis: your ~/.xsession |
| 00:44.56 | adrakoa | X development libraries not found ? |
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| 00:45.11 | nuxis | abrotman: in my home dir? |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:45.27 | nuxis | in home dir I only got .xsession-errors |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | what about .xinitrc ? |
| 00:45.51 | nuxis | nope nothing in home dir |
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| 00:46.39 | humbolto | what is the vserver kernel package for? |
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| 00:46.55 | abrotman | humbolto: apt-cache show <pkg> |
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| 00:47.04 | abrotman | nuxis: are you IRCing from X ? |
| 00:47.11 | nuxis | abrotman: atm yea |
| 00:48.16 | humbolto | abrotman: not really. does not tell any difference to the 686 package! |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:49.00 | humbolto | abrotman: I doubt they the 686 and the vserver-686 package are the same. |
| 00:49.17 | abrotman | humbolto: ask #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:49.21 | nuxis | abrotman: any idea? :( |
| 00:49.53 | abrotman | nuxis: i'd try to get out of X and start blackbox manually with startx and feed it the conf file .. |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | nuxis: did you check your .xsession-errors ? |
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| 00:50.18 | nuxis | :O |
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| 00:50.23 | nuxis | /home/nuxis/blackbox/menu: No such file or directory |
| 00:50.30 | sdubois92 | Is there a way to remove GNOME? |
| 00:50.34 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 00:50.34 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 00:51.10 | nuxis | abrotman: wya the hell say xseesion there is no menufile there is :s |
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| 00:51.30 | nuxis | oooooooooow I saved it under .blacbox/ |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | nuxis: you have a /home/nuxis/blackbox/ or a /home/nuxis/.blackbox/ ? |
| 00:51.45 | nuxis | yea lemme rename the folder sec |
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| 00:51.55 | nuxis | k brb |
| 00:52.27 | nuxis | well mate I love you :) |
| 00:52.32 | humbolto | abrotman: you don't have any idea yourself? I am surprised. |
| 00:52.33 | moope1 | what does ls -l in /dev list? |
| 00:52.43 | moope1 | block and device? |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | humbolto: yeah .. it's for a vserver installation .. but i don't know which kind of vserver .. or it's a kernel to run vservers on |
| 00:53.17 | humbolto | abrotman: What do they mean with vserver? virtualized server? |
| 00:53.27 | lyroy | Ok I try dpkg-buildpackage -nc ... and it still not compile the modification I've done in the bind source directory... does someone have another idea? |
| 00:53.41 | abrotman | !vserver |
| 00:53.41 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 00:53.57 | null | simonrvn: are you here? |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: run for the hills .. hide in canada! |
| 00:54.31 | dondelelcaro | lyroy: first, how have you made the changes? second, have you incremented the changelog? third, do the changes show up when you dpkg-source -b? fourth, have you built using just fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; ? |
| 00:55.11 | humbolto | abrotman: are -xen kernel package dom0 and for domU actually one package? |
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| 00:55.15 | Tramp | moope1: type, major, minor - see also man mknod |
| 00:55.31 | lyroy | dondelelcaro ... I've made the change using the bind-mysql mod |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | humbolto: i don't use xen |
| 00:55.48 | lyroy | and no and did not increment the changelog |
| 00:56.40 | dondelelcaro | lyroy: not using what, how? |
| 00:57.55 | DawnLight | yo here's my interfaces file. i'm not getting it right somehow. http://paste.debian.net/42656 |
| 00:58.06 | abrotman | oy |
| 00:58.08 | lyroy | after doing the dpkg-source -b command the result and with dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 00:58.28 | dondelelcaro | lyroy: run fakeroot debian/rules clean; then rerun dpkg-source -b |
| 00:59.18 | nuxis | k abrotman everything is fixed tnx :) |
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| 00:59.26 | lyroy | what is debian/rules ? |
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| 00:59.28 | abrotman | nuxis: enjoy! |
| 01:00.46 | lyroy | sorry for my ignorance :) |
| 01:00.59 | streuner | lyroy: get the source :-) |
| 01:01.07 | rdz | hi all.. i have probem, that is really annoying me, and i encounter that it affects several programs.... sometimes, when closing a daemon, that was listening on a certain port, i cannot restart it. sometimes it is just a matter of waitint a few seconds, sometimes it takes up to 15 minutes, until the port is freed and i can restart the process...... |
| 01:01.20 | streuner | !listvals debian/rules |
| 01:01.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian/rules' by value (6): source ;; sidiot ;; debian/rules ;; debhelper ;; gimp1.2-potato ;; rebuild from debian source. |
| 01:01.23 | rdz | i really wonder, how you guys deal with that? |
| 01:01.40 | \amethyst | rdz: how are you stopping and restarting the daemon? |
| 01:01.40 | streuner | !debian/rules |
| 01:01.41 | dpkg | somebody said debian/rules was the makefile that's used by dpkg-buildpackage when building a .deb from source. Edit debian/rules before you run "fakeroot debian/rules binary" (or "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot") to create a custom .deb package. For more info, ask me about "source". |
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| 01:02.16 | reto_ | heya, i'd like to install debian unstable/testing |
| 01:02.27 | rdz | \amethyst, differently... just now it happend with a zope instance and i cleanly shut the down process first, before i tried to restart |
| 01:02.30 | reto_ | is there a place to get the network mini iso? I just can find the stable ones |
| 01:02.32 | streuner | yeah, read /msg dpkg sid faq then :-) |
| 01:02.34 | SlackRat | you ll have to install testing |
| 01:02.36 | reto_ | or should I use stable and then just upgrade |
| 01:02.38 | abrotman | !tell reto_ about d-i |
| 01:02.45 | reto_ | uh, fast |
| 01:02.46 | streuner | reto_: no |
| 01:02.48 | abrotman | reto_: please run lenny .. not unstable |
| 01:02.52 | rdz | \amethyst, with another program, the program sometimes just crash, and then i would ike to be able to restart it |
| 01:02.53 | SlackRat | get the latest testing snapshot from debian.com |
| 01:02.55 | streuner | reto_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 01:02.57 | reto_ | I do know what I want :) |
| 01:03.04 | streuner | no |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | if you knew .. you wouldn't ask how to install it |
| 01:03.18 | streuner | SlackRat: debian.com ? nice :-) |
| 01:03.22 | reto_ | I just can't find the iso :) |
| 01:03.39 | lyroy | streuner wich debian/rules I need to edit ... I really don't understant that part? |
| 01:03.40 | rdz | \amethyst, however: this is really annoying.... i coudn't find a way to manually tell debian: this port should be freed |
| 01:03.41 | reto_ | alright but I think you already helped me :) |
| 01:03.43 | streuner | well, thats the tric ;-) |
| 01:03.44 | NiSoOo | where do i download usb version of debian |
| 01:03.45 | SlackRat | well, the isos are there somewhere...........<coughs> |
| 01:03.59 | reto_ | (no images in here for example) |
| 01:03.59 | reto_ | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/ |
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| 01:04.39 | streuner | lyroy: ask dondelelcaro, i just switched to #debian... |
| 01:04.56 | lyroy | dondelelcaro? |
| 01:05.08 | streuner | lyroy: bascially he just told you what to do |
| 01:05.09 | NiSoOo | yes with a "d" |
| 01:05.15 | dondelelcaro | lyroy: you need to run fakeroot debian/rules clean; then run dpkg-source -b. |
| 01:05.22 | Unwise | hello world |
| 01:05.34 | dondelelcaro | lyroy: after having incremented the version |
| 01:05.42 | rdz | \amethyst, do you have any idea, how i could manually free a port? i don't see a reason, why a port shoud be kept busy, when the process, that used it, doesn't run anymore.. |
| 01:05.46 | SlackRat | ack, sid came out with an installer? im hallucinating..... |
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| 01:05.53 | reto_ | found it, thanks guys |
| 01:05.57 | lyroy | I run the command "fakeroot debian/rules clean" like this? |
| 01:06.04 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 01:06.06 | reto_ | using the testing's nightly netinst iso |
| 01:06.26 | SlackRat | damn..... |
| 01:06.27 | lyroy | thats a strange parameter (debian/rules)? |
| 01:06.49 | streuner | reto_: please read sid faq first ! :-) |
| 01:07.24 | dondelelcaro | it's not a parameter. It's a makefile which happens to be executable. |
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| 01:08.49 | reto_ | streuner: qry :) |
| 01:08.50 | Unwise | Oops, I'm getting portscanned like crazy right now - back soon... |
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| 01:09.02 | reto_ | lol |
| 01:09.59 | streuner | no, dont use unstable/sid if you havent any experience with Debian |
| 01:10.35 | lyroy | dondelelcaro after running dpkg-source -b bind9-9... what I need to do ... |
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| 01:11.10 | flyinprogramer | why am i getting this error ? |
| 01:11.11 | flyinprogramer | http://pastebin.ca/777834 |
| 01:11.12 | reto_ | streuner: have you even read what I wrote in the query :)? |
| 01:11.25 | streuner | no |
| 01:11.43 | reto_ | alright, never mind, thanks for the advice |
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| 01:12.21 | streuner | well, you didnt read the guidelines then too |
| 01:12.21 | rdz | what can i do, when i get "(Address already in use)", although the process, who was listening on the port was already killed? |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: because tomcat isn't starting |
| 01:12.22 | rdz | it the only way to dea with it to wait? |
| 01:12.28 | \amethyst | flyinprogramer: try looking in the tomcat logs in /var/log/tomcat5.5/ and see what's causing the error |
| 01:12.38 | flyinprogramer | i'm trying to install tomcat |
| 01:12.47 | \amethyst | rdz: netstat -puntl lists no processes using that port |
| 01:12.48 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 01:13.10 | reto_ | streuner: you mean ' Do not ask for private replies'? |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | streuner: he's not nickserved |
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| 01:13.29 | streuner | abrotman: yes... |
| 01:13.53 | streuner | reto_: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 01:14.09 | rdz | \amethyst, thanks for that command.... |
| 01:14.29 | rdz | \amethyst, indee, there is still python listening... |
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| 01:14.57 | Maenad | i have a question about my specific setup: i have a network with two computers, one of them running Mac OS X and another running Vista. inside the Vista machine, if i run VMWare which is running a Debian server, is there a way i can set it up so i can access the files from the Debian server (inside the VM) over the network and from my Mac box? also, is there a way i can have the Debian VM serve outside of |
| 01:15.02 | Maenad | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.03 | flyinprogramer | does anyone know of a good guide for installing Tomcat ? |
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| 01:16.15 | abrotman | Maenad: ask #vmware |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: aptitude install tomcat ? |
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| 01:17.01 | flyinprogramer | abrotman, still results in that error |
| 01:17.06 | Maenad | abrotman: i asked in there too, but it kinda relates to like 5 different topics |
| 01:18.23 | abrotman | flyinprogramer: look in the error logs |
| 01:19.29 | flyinprogramer | 2007-11-16 20:18:55 status half-configured tomcat5.5 5.5.20-2 |
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| 01:19.58 | nuxis | guys normaly you fix broken packages with apt-get install -f right? well it doesn't work :s |
| 01:20.03 | streuner | flyinprogramer: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | nuxis: we need more info |
| 01:20.29 | flyinprogramer | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 01:20.34 | nuxis | yea well I try to install kdebase-dev and it says, kdebase-dev ... depends and so on.. |
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| 01:20.41 | nuxis | then E: broken packages |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 01:20.43 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 01:21.08 | streuner | flyinprogramer: please show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 01:21.15 | flyinprogramer | k |
| 01:21.29 | streuner | flyinprogramer: plus the whole error-message |
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| 01:21.59 | nuxis | abrotman: full error : http://pastebin.com/m6d6a0b0a |
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| 01:22.54 | abrotman | nuxis: paste your sources.list |
| 01:22.57 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.16 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me how i can find what audio devices are in my machine, and what driver i can use for them :) |
| 01:23.32 | nuxis | http://pastebin.com/m6d633a3d |
| 01:23.36 | flami | Hi, I jsut tried to use the acpi_cpufreq module to scale my cpufrequency (I read I should use taht module now instal od speedstep_centrino ) , 1st : it runs my CPU at full power . 2nd : Kpowersave doesnt allow cpufrequency scalinga nymore . anyone know how to deal with that problem ? |
| 01:23.40 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: install alsa-base and run alsaconf |
| 01:23.53 | DeZ_666 | Sweet! I'll try that right now, thanks DawnLight |
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| 01:24.19 | Unwise | Ah.. that's better. |
| 01:25.06 | abrotman | nuxis: have you tried to apt-get update before installing ? |
| 01:25.13 | nuxis | abrotman: yup |
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| 01:25.47 | nuxis | abrotman: I used the last line with # before |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | nuxis: you did what?> |
| 01:26.13 | nuxis | I used the # deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main |
| 01:26.16 | abrotman | nuxis: apt-cache policy kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev |
| 01:26.21 | DeZ_666 | DawnLight: it didnt find anything.. :( |
| 01:26.44 | nuxis | abrotman: nothing is installed and there from belnet.be |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | nuxis: apt-cache policy kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev |
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| 01:26.53 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: ooh shame... always worked for me :( |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | i want to see it |
| 01:27.08 | nuxis | ok sec |
| 01:27.08 | DarkBahamut | hey everyone |
| 01:27.19 | DeZ_666 | DawnLight: when i had fedora my sound worked /:) |
| 01:27.36 | nuxis | http://pastebin.com/m2adb4fe1 |
| 01:27.46 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: try running lspci and see if it knows about your card |
| 01:28.02 | streuner | DeZ_666: just follow the advice of DawnLight and it should work in Debian too |
| 01:28.28 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: Hey |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | nuxis: seems broken .. but correct .. i'd ask #debian-kde |
| 01:28.42 | streuner | there is no magic between, its a kernel-thingie... |
| 01:28.49 | DarkBahamut | Unwise: hi |
| 01:28.52 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: How's it going? |
| 01:29.10 | DeZ_666 | DawnLight: it sees it |
| 01:29.20 | nuxis | abrotman: what :s? |
| 01:29.24 | DeZ_666 | It also says my VGA card is an unknown device.. XD |
| 01:29.25 | DarkBahamut | Unwise:good.. not so good with linux tho.. you? |
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| 01:29.32 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: any luck with graphics? |
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| 01:29.47 | flyinprogramer | alright both the sources and log files are uploaded to paste.debian.net |
| 01:30.02 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: is it a new chipset? |
| 01:30.05 | DarkBahamut | Unwise: i tried the append acpi=off naopic like you said |
| 01:30.23 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: and? |
| 01:30.41 | DarkBahamut | Unwise: it works perfect but i cant find any info on my laptop and how to fix acpi |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | nuxis: it seems correct .. ask #debian-kde |
| 01:31.15 | nuxis | ow ok |
| 01:31.33 | DeZ_666 | DawnLight: i wouldnt exactly say so |
| 01:31.43 | DarkBahamut | Unwise: i was told its not good to have no acpi on laptops? |
| 01:31.50 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: Ah. hang out fer awhile. lemme check that puppy. |
| 01:32.11 | DarkBahamut | Unwise: ok thanks |
| 01:32.12 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: Righ not good.. |
| 01:32.25 | DeZ_666 | DawnLight: i have the name of the chipset here if thatd help ^^ |
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| 01:33.06 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: you can go googling about the lspci result fot the sound card. also alsa web site could be of use |
| 01:33.17 | abrotman | nuxis: what if you apt-get install kdelibs4-dev ? |
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| 01:34.02 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: or if it's a lappy you can google the model along with debian |
| 01:34.13 | DeZ_666 | Not a lap :P desktop |
| 01:34.49 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: happy hunting |
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| 01:34.59 | streuner | flyinprogramer: fine, you pasted the whole dpkg.log, we need the whole error-log (what happens if you run "apt-get update") |
| 01:35.25 | DeZ_666 | Heh |
| 01:35.28 | DeZ_666 | gee thanks |
| 01:35.29 | streuner | flyinprogramer: or better, apt-get -f install |
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| 01:36.07 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.18 | streuner | flyinprogramer: try "apt-get install --reinstall <package>" and paste that |
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| 01:37.00 | flyinprogramer | streuner where is the error log |
| 01:37.17 | streuner | flyingp: on your screen |
| 01:37.30 | flyinprogramer | alright |
| 01:37.43 | streuner | flyinprogramer: we need some infos _why_ its half-installed |
| 01:37.47 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: Please paste the output of 'lspci' you can make that output go to a test file like this: 'lspci > lspci.txt' and it'll make the text file in whatever directory you happen to be standing in;-) |
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| 01:38.12 | streuner | flyinprogramer: most likely a postinst error or such |
| 01:38.30 | DarkBahamut | Unwise: ok let me log onto linux |
| 01:38.34 | humbolto | does anybody know, how I can migrate my VMs from vmware server to Xen? Migrate in the sense of using the same disk images. |
| 01:38.36 | flyinprogramer | there, its posted |
| 01:38.42 | DarkBahamut | Unwise: im on windows now brb |
| 01:38.50 | DeZ_666 | Hey DawnLight..i found http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.23.html ? |
| 01:38.55 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: 'k |
| 01:39.05 | DeZ_666 | is it possible the driver will work..even though it says its not for linux? |
| 01:39.07 | streuner | flyinprogramer: you could run /var/lib/dpkg/info/postinst.<package>, that will show what happens |
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| 01:40.22 | humbolto | so probably converting vmware VMs to Xen VMs is a better discription of what I want to do. |
| 01:40.28 | flyinprogramer | /var/lib/dpkg/info/postinst.tomcat5.5 resulted in nothing |
| 01:41.02 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: what is the lspci result for that sound card? |
| 01:41.27 | flyinprogramer | "-bash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/postinst.tomcat5.5: No such file or directory |
| 01:41.27 | flyinprogramer | " |
| 01:41.37 | DeZ_666 | nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio |
| 01:41.42 | DeZ_666 | rev a2 |
| 01:42.19 | DeZ_666 | i tried looking for nForce 410 chipset audio drivers on the nvidia site, but it didnt show any |
| 01:42.55 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel |
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| 01:43.44 | DeZ_666 | Whats..that for? |
| 01:44.03 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: but you shouldn't need to follow the instructions there, debian should do that for you |
| 01:44.21 | DeZ_666 | DawnLight: this is an AMD64 board :s |
| 01:44.47 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: isn't that your sound card? |
| 01:45.04 | DeZ_666 | `Intel HDA'? |
| 01:45.27 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: whats your chipset? |
| 01:45.36 | DeZ_666 | nForce 410 |
| 01:45.54 | DeZ_666 | well, it says `nForce 410 chipset based' on the box |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | lspci ? |
| 01:46.19 | streuner | flyinprogramer: ps aux | grep tomcat |
| 01:46.28 | streuner | flyinprogramer: dont paste here |
| 01:46.51 | quleap | aphey |
| 01:46.56 | quleap | hey* |
| 01:46.58 | quleap | i got an easy Q |
| 01:46.59 | DeZ_666 | The box says `GeForce MCP61(V/S/P) + nForce 410 chipset based' |
| 01:47.07 | DeZ_666 | so i believe lspci sees it correctly |
| 01:47.07 | flyinprogramer | http://paste.debian.net/42662 |
| 01:47.11 | quleap | i got a PTR record set for my hostname through my isp |
| 01:47.21 | quleap | how do i get irc and other servers to use it |
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| 01:47.38 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: Hi |
| 01:47.48 | darkbahamut | Unwise: hey, can linux read text files? |
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| 01:48.00 | DeZ_666 | ..o.O |
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| 01:48.02 | Unwise | yup |
| 01:48.17 | darkbahamut | Unwise so im saving it wrong.. |
| 01:48.54 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: lspci > lspci.txt |
| 01:49.09 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: nano lspci.txt |
| 01:49.18 | quleap | Unwise: would you take a moment to assit me |
| 01:49.20 | quleap | or even link me |
| 01:49.46 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: did you run alsaconf as root? |
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| 01:50.10 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: you'll read it |
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| 01:50.12 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:50.19 | quleap | anyone? |
| 01:50.23 | quleap | even point me to a channel |
| 01:50.24 | darkbahamut | sry the terminal froze |
| 01:50.32 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: whazzup? |
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| 01:50.49 | darkbahamut | Unwise: i saved it as txt |
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| 01:51.13 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: you in Debian now? |
| 01:51.20 | darkbahamut | yup |
| 01:51.31 | streuner | flyinprogramer: ls -l /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d |
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| 01:52.02 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: can you read that file? |
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| 01:52.30 | darkbahamut | Unwise: not if i just click it |
| 01:52.35 | flyinprogramer | streuner posted |
| 01:52.38 | darkbahamut | Unwise: let me try nano |
| 01:53.02 | DeZ_666 | DawnLight: yes |
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| 01:53.31 | darkbahamut | Unwise: nano can read it |
| 01:53.37 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: what exactly does it tell you? |
| 01:53.37 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: cool |
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| 01:54.03 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: now paste the contents... |
| 01:54.17 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: could it be that it is disabled in the BIOS setup? |
| 01:54.23 | darkbahamut | Unwise: paste in irrsi? |
| 01:54.27 | DeZ_666 | it says No Supported PnP or PCI card found |
| 01:54.31 | quleap | screw this |
| 01:54.34 | DeZ_666 | i can check if its disabled actuall |
| 01:54.35 | DeZ_666 | y |
| 01:54.36 | quleap | im switching to freebsd |
| 01:54.40 | DeZ_666 | thats a good idea |
| 01:54.49 | quleap | y |
| 01:54.55 | abrotman | quleap: how will that help you configure a dns server? |
| 01:55.04 | quleap | fresh install |
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| 01:55.07 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:55.08 | quleap | ive done it before |
| 01:55.14 | quleap | i need to immerse myself inthe docs |
| 01:55.24 | quleap | hm what if i set my hostname in the router |
| 01:55.27 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: !paste |
| 01:55.28 | DawnLight | a man bath |
| 01:55.37 | Unwise | !paste |
| 01:55.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:55.41 | streuner | flyinprogramer: there must be a postinst script somewhere... |
| 01:55.49 | quleap | my kanotix install is all fucked up anyway |
| 01:55.57 | mogra | btw, got the new flash on the wife's machine, so far is working well.. |
| 01:56.03 | DeZ_666 | Hmm..my audio controller has two options: Auto or Disabled..and it set to Auto.. |
| 01:56.17 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: however you want to do it.... |
| 01:56.18 | darkbahamut | 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2) |
| 01:56.18 | darkbahamut | 00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2) |
| 01:56.18 | darkbahamut | 00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2) |
| 01:56.18 | darkbahamut | 00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2) |
| 01:56.18 | darkbahamut | 00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2) |
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| 01:56.25 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 01:56.26 | DawnLight | DeZ_666: try #alsa. good luck |
| 01:56.30 | DeZ_666 | Heh |
| 01:56.30 | abrotman | quleap: #kanotix please |
| 01:56.31 | DeZ_666 | ok |
| 01:56.32 | mogra | !paste |
| 01:56.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:56.45 | SlackRat | DeZ, you've checked all mixer volume levels? |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | mogra: bad timing |
| 01:56.52 | Unwise | Sorry guys... |
| 01:56.55 | streuner | flyinprogramer: search for "tomca*.postinst" |
| 01:57.10 | mogra | abrotman: eh, my aims off this evening... |
| 01:57.15 | fas3r | i have question about dhcp |
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| 01:57.31 | darkbahamut | oops |
| 01:57.36 | darkbahamut | i hit the wrong button |
| 01:57.38 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.39 | abrotman | !tell darkbahamut about paste |
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| 01:57.46 | darkbahamut | sry bout that |
| 01:57.47 | Unwise | !paste |
| 01:57.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 01:57.48 | DeZ_666 | SlackRat, alsaconf cant even see the device |
| 01:57.49 | darkbahamut | brb |
| 01:57.57 | quleap | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.00 | mogra | haha, is ok, darkbahamut, just for future reference |
| 01:58.05 | quleap | its just a simple debian distro tho |
| 01:58.10 | fas3r | if i install dhcp server on one server it's possible acces point who are connect on other server receive ip adress from the first server ? |
| 01:58.11 | SlackRat | it doesnt find any card? hmph |
| 01:58.21 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: I've never hit the wrong button...:P |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | quleap: it's NOT debian .. we do not support debian based distros in #debian |
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| 01:58.39 | SlackRat | sidux picked up where kanotix died out....check them out |
| 01:58.41 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: heh |
| 01:58.45 | quleap | who cares its not support |
| 01:58.47 | quleap | its advice |
| 01:59.12 | darkbahamut | Unwise: allright.. i hit the write button but i didnt know i woulpatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7200 (rev a1) |
| 01:59.15 | SlackRat | quleap !godsmite |
| 01:59.15 | darkbahamut | 15:57 < darkbahamut> 07:05.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller |
| 01:59.18 | darkbahamut | 15:57 < darkbahamut> 07:05.1 Sd get kicked |
| 01:59.27 | darkbahamut | Unwise:... |
| 01:59.33 | darkbahamut | Unwise: oops |
| 01:59.38 | SlackRat | damn bot never godsmites when i want it to.... |
| 01:59.50 | quleap | noob |
| 01:59.50 | darkbahamut | Unwise: i hit the right button but i didnt know i would get kicked |
| 02:00.05 | darkbahamut | Unwise: so all i do is typatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7200 (rev a1) |
| 02:00.08 | darkbahamut | 15:57 < darkbahamut> 07:05.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller |
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| 02:00.15 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: got a browser? |
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| 02:00.22 | darkbahamut | Unwise: why does this keep happening |
| 02:00.29 | darkbahamut | Unwise: oops |
| 02:00.37 | darkbahamut | Unwise: i think so |
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| 02:01.30 | darkbahamut | sry bout the weird posts irssi is acting up |
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| 02:02.18 | abrotman | you are |
| 02:02.26 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: I think you have a cache trying to dump to the channel - log off and back on. save the file somewhere and post it using a browser - go to winslop if you have to... |
| 02:03.10 | darkbahamut | Unwise: i think its ok now, umm... do you have the site for debian paste? |
| 02:03.14 | streuner | !dbugs 401713 |
| 02:03.17 | dpkg | DONE:#401713:G[tomcat5.5] tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d initscript fails on upgrade; Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:48:10 UTC |
| 02:03.19 | Guerin | darkbahamut: topic |
| 02:03.20 | Unwise | !paste |
| 02:03.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:03.40 | darkbahamut | !paste |
| 02:03.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:03.48 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:03.54 | streuner | flyinprogramer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401713 |
| 02:03.59 | darkbahamut | cool |
| 02:05.03 | darkbahamut | http://paste.debian.net/42664 |
| 02:05.06 | streuner | Guerin: debhelper already kicked him, it seems he need some experience after that ;-) |
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| 02:05.34 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: gottit - lemme read some |
| 02:05.50 | darkbahamut | Unwise: cool thanks |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | darkbahamut: what's your kernel (uname -a) |
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| 02:07.08 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone point me to some docs where i can read about the naming scheme of the linux dir structure (like var, etc, ...) ? |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | !fhs |
| 02:07.15 | dpkg | Unlike Gobolinux or <OS X>, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*) |
| 02:07.19 | darkbahamut | abrotman: ? |
| 02:07.19 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: AMD processor dual core? |
| 02:07.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | darkbahamut: what's your kernel (uname -a) |
| 02:07.36 | darkbahamut | Unwise: yup |
| 02:07.37 | Kevin` | where is the proper place to put firewall ruls in debian? |
| 02:07.47 | Kevin` | rules* |
| 02:07.50 | darkbahamut | abrotman: 1 sec |
| 02:07.56 | flyinprogramer | streuner, its a known bug, but is there a fix ? |
| 02:08.02 | mogra | !iptables |
| 02:08.02 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 02:08.04 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: do uname -a |
| 02:08.18 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: what's it tell you? |
| 02:08.21 | Kevin` | yay a proper debian way |
| 02:08.26 | darkbahamut | k |
| 02:08.40 | streuner | flyinprogramer: not in the bugreport (workaround), but did you try backports.org? |
| 02:09.00 | darkbahamut | abrotman: Linux Matrix 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Tue Oct 2 23:38:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:09.12 | darkbahamut | thats what came up |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | darkbahamut: i don't think that kernel/alsa supports that audio |
| 02:09.16 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 02:09.45 | darkbahamut | abrotman: ouch? |
| 02:09.53 | abrotman | ask #alsa |
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| 02:09.59 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: wrong kernel - maybe wrong install |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | show them your kernel version and your audio device |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | Unwise: wtf ? |
| 02:10.22 | Azar | :) I missed that |
| 02:10.50 | streuner | flyinprogramer: what does "apt-cache policy <package>" say, btw? |
| 02:10.59 | darkbahamut | Unwise: i was recommended Debian Etch i386 install |
| 02:11.19 | Kevin` | mogra the files referenced in that link don't seem to exist in etch |
| 02:11.41 | mogra | do you have iptables installed? |
| 02:11.44 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 02:12.23 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: lemme check something here... |
| 02:12.27 | streuner | flyinprogramer: no package in backports.org |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | darkbahamut: do what i told you .. ask #alsa |
| 02:12.50 | flyinprogramer | streuner, yah, i found nothing |
| 02:12.58 | flyinprogramer | and i just posted what you asked for |
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| 02:13.23 | Azar | darkbahamut: if your Debian works, is not a Debian issue, is an Alsa (application) issue |
| 02:13.33 | darkbahamut | abrotman: no one told me ask #alsa? |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | i did |
| 02:13.46 | darkbahamut | o |
| 02:13.52 | darkbahamut | i didnt see |
| 02:13.53 | streuner | flyinprogramer: strange then, i have no experience with tomcat at all, there must be another tric to install it then |
| 02:14.01 | Kevin` | mogra ? |
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| 02:14.04 | PDani | hi |
| 02:14.10 | Azar | servus |
| 02:14.21 | PDani | how can i set firefox to always use tabs intead of windows? |
| 02:14.47 | mogra | Kevin`: what files don't exist? |
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| 02:15.14 | rocketmagnet | abrotman: ty |
| 02:15.19 | Kevin` | mogra only the iptables utilities themselves exist |
| 02:15.52 | Azar | PDani: Edit, Preferences, Advanced |
| 02:15.58 | mogra | hmm, the howto linked here is for Sarge, did anything change in iptables setup in etch? |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | yes .. a lot |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | oh .. that howto should work |
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| 02:16.36 | mogra | abrotman: does it not use the init.d script anymore? |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | oh .. that's gone |
| 02:16.59 | Kevin` | so, how do you do it now? |
| 02:17.06 | abrotman | write your own init |
| 02:17.15 | Kevin` | icky icky |
| 02:17.27 | PDani | Azar: i can't find the option |
| 02:17.30 | Kevin` | your sure that's the formal recommendation for doing it? |
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| 02:17.48 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: model number of the slab again? |
| 02:18.13 | darkbahamut | Unwise: slab? |
| 02:18.34 | Azar | PDani: is about Tabbed Browsing, right? it must be on some options on the menus, I use a very old Firefox... menus might be in different places |
| 02:18.36 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: laptop - it's a slang term |
| 02:18.49 | Unwise | DarkBahamut: sorry |
| 02:18.53 | streuner | flyinprogramer: isnt that fixed in -3? |
| 02:19.04 | darkbahamut | Unwise: ahh i see, cool ill remember that its HP dv6040us |
| 02:19.07 | Azar | PDani: check all menus you got and look for "Tabbed Browsing": |
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| 02:19.23 | PDani | Azar: the problem is, i knew that there was an option, but now it seems it disappeared |
| 02:19.45 | PDani | Azar: i've already done that |
| 02:19.51 | streuner | flyinprogramer: Package: tomcat5.5 (tomcat5.5 5.5.20-2; fixed: 5.5.20-3) |
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| 02:20.07 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 02:20.07 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 02:20.07 | Azar | PDani: do you have a Help menu there? |
| 02:20.08 | PDani | Azar: i tried to find it in about:config too |
| 02:20.11 | streuner | flyinprogramer: just run "apt-get update" |
| 02:20.22 | PDani | Azar: yes |
| 02:20.46 | Azar | PDani: then look in Help Contents for Tabbed Browsing, see HOWTO set it up |
| 02:21.09 | flyinprogramer | streuner i have |
| 02:21.12 | streuner | flyinprogramer: version -3 should be in security.d.o |
| 02:21.12 | flyinprogramer | like 4 hours ago |
| 02:21.17 | streuner | hm |
| 02:21.52 | enouf | PDani: when all else fails about:config |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | darkbahamut: can you paste the output of `lspci -n` |
| 02:22.02 | PDani | Azar: i can't find any related information. i would like to exclude new windows |
| 02:22.14 | PDani | enouf: already done, found nothing |
| 02:22.16 | darkbahamut | Unwise: ok 1 sec |
| 02:22.44 | abrotman | darkbahamut: can you paste the output of `lspci -n` |
| 02:22.51 | Azar | PDani: shoot it on #firefox, maybe they know about, as I said, I use a 2004 firefox, that "just works" |
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| 02:23.08 | PDani | Azar: i tried, nobody answered |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | PDani: are you using firefox or iceweasel ? |
| 02:23.32 | PDani | iceweasel, but they're the same, afaik |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | PDani: and you want it to do what? |
| 02:23.47 | Unwise | darkbahamut: hmm. 64 bit bus amd64 turion - netinstall amd64. |
| 02:24.02 | PDani | abrotman: exclude new windows, open everything in tabs, and only in tabs |
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| 02:24.12 | abrotman | exclude new windows ? |
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| 02:24.18 | abrotman | PDani: you mean like popups ? |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | or you mean like when you middle click ? |
| 02:24.25 | PDani | abrotman: yes |
| 02:24.39 | PDani | i never want to see multiple firefox windows!! |
| 02:25.24 | PDani | everything in tabs |
| 02:25.24 | abrotman | PDani: for me .. Edit->Preferences->Tabs |
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| 02:25.30 | darkbahamut | Unwise: http://paste.debian.net/42666 |
| 02:25.31 | streuner | flyinprogramer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425899 |
| 02:25.39 | null__ | hello, how can I see how many public ip's has specific site like serverpronto.com ? |
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| 02:26.25 | abrotman | darkbahamut: add "snd-hda-intel" to /etc/modules and reboot |
| 02:26.32 | streuner | flyinprogramer: there is a _little_ workaround mentioned there... |
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| 02:27.02 | PDani | abrotman: "new pages should be opened in * a new tab" <-- i chose this, but it doesn't help. try this for example: startlap.com, almost any link |
| 02:27.21 | PDani | from the "boxes" on the page |
| 02:27.33 | darkbahamut | Unwise: ok brb |
| 02:27.46 | Guerin | PDani: often the problem is in the coding of the site itself |
| 02:27.47 | Nyle | hey dude man |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | darkbahamut: TRY ADDRESSING ME] |
| 02:28.11 | abrotman | jesus christ |
| 02:28.23 | mogra | Yes? |
| 02:28.35 | Unwise | abrotman: yow |
| 02:28.45 | darkbahamut | abrotman: oops these yellow names are hard to see |
| 02:28.52 | darkbahamut | abrotman: sry about that |
| 02:28.54 | mogra | oh, thought I heard someone say my name <.< |
| 02:28.57 | mogra | ok, carry on |
| 02:28.57 | abrotman | yeah .. yellow is hard to see compared to .. white |
| 02:29.06 | PDani | Guerin: all right. but i would like to set the default behaviour to new tab instead of new window, so when a workaround raises a window, raise it, but in a tab |
| 02:29.19 | flyinprogramer | streuner, yah, i tried that, it didn't work |
| 02:29.28 | streuner | haha |
| 02:29.28 | darkbahamut | abrotman: my irssi is actime up they are brite yellow when someone talks to me |
| 02:29.40 | darkbahamut | abrotman: acting up* |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | that's the way it's supposed to be |
| 02:30.00 | Guerin | PDani: i realise that's what you want. You probably want an extension to control that - there are about a dozen which can |
| 02:30.24 | darkbahamut | abrotman: well my name is blank on my side also lol so its kinda acting up |
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| 02:30.32 | Guerin | in fairness ... it's the fucktarditude of GNOME and KDE that they both have black-on-white terminals by default |
| 02:30.40 | Guerin | instead of white-on-black like the gods intended |
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| 02:31.15 | zophy | Guerin, werd |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | Guerin: i think it's pebcak |
| 02:31.24 | darkbahamut | abrotman: so i add "snd-hda-intel" to /etc/modules with nano editor? sry im new to linux i dont know much |
| 02:31.27 | streuner | flyinprogramer: When did you try that, 10 minutes ago? |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | darkbahamut: yes .. |
| 02:31.32 | Guerin | abrotman: and you are almost certainly not wrong. |
| 02:31.35 | zophy | i like seagreen on black |
| 02:31.44 | flyinprogramer | streuner, before i got on IRC |
| 02:31.48 | darkbahamut | abrotman: ok sry brb |
| 02:31.50 | flyinprogramer | like 2 hours ago |
| 02:31.55 | Guerin | zophy: i don't have an amstrad hard-on |
| 02:32.17 | zophy | i wish i could get a real amber color |
| 02:32.18 | Orion_X11 | How do I reinstall all my packages again from inside? |
| 02:32.24 | streuner | hm, and you asked the whole stuff again, that wasnt that fair not to mentioned that before... |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | Guerin: admittedly .. the other guy "helping" probably wasn't making it any better |
| 02:32.26 | Guerin | Orion_X11: reinstall |
| 02:32.58 | streuner | flyinprogramer: feel free to write another bugreport then |
| 02:33.08 | zophy | sadly, amber is a physical phenomonen |
| 02:33.17 | PDani | Guerin: i see... sad, that firefox can't do it by itself... it's pretty general expectation, i think.. :) |
| 02:33.19 | flyinprogramer | streuner, yah, i'll just wait for the sources to upgrade |
| 02:33.24 | streuner | flyinprogramer: just say that the workaround doesnt work |
| 02:33.30 | streuner | heh |
| 02:33.35 | Guerin | PDani: evidently not, since you're about the third person I can recall complaining about it |
| 02:33.43 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.48 | Orion_X11 | Guerin: When I try to do it. The system complains about having to fix "coreutils", but it is not broken an synaptic does not give the option to reinstall it again :-( |
| 02:34.07 | PDani | Guerin: :) |
| 02:34.17 | Guerin | Orion_X11: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 02:35.21 | Guerin | PDani: as I said - it's often just to do with the code. The concept of `tab' has no meaning in html; there's no target for it. But there are various ways of making a new window or something open, and it's very hard to catch all of them consistently |
| 02:35.32 | Guerin | by `code' in this case I mean the html |
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| 02:36.43 | Azar | is there a Ben Armstrong as well? |
| 02:36.49 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yes. |
| 02:36.54 | mogra | PDani: They could be using depricated things like "new_window" that forces a new window. W3C says not to. But who listens to them? :\ |
| 02:36.57 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah so is not you |
| 02:36.59 | streuner | flyinprogramer: please just ask next time "I didnt get tombcat in etch to work and i follow this <URL>..." |
| 02:37.29 | streuner | Azar: people.d.o |
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| 02:38.06 | Azar | streuner: ah :) I was interested in EeePC thought dondelecaro could be "the one" trying it |
| 02:38.20 | dondelelcaro | ah, no... |
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| 02:38.33 | darkbahamut | abrotman: ok i added the line to /etc/modules |
| 02:39.09 | flyinprogramer | streuner, alrighty, sounds good |
| 02:39.12 | streuner | flyinprogramer: just use ML debian-user or such |
| 02:39.22 | Azar | dondelelcaro: who knows, maybe soon there will be one like that |
| 02:39.28 | streuner | flyinprogramer: maybe someone else have experience with that problem |
| 02:39.53 | dondelelcaro | Azar: yeah; basically I want the OLPC with a real keyboard |
| 02:40.11 | dondelelcaro | the membrane thing is cool for kids, but not for me |
| 02:40.17 | flyinprogramer | is there away to have sources find the even more updated version of tomcat ? |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it has USB ports? or you mean the one in the laptop |
| 02:40.58 | Azar | soon.. soon... Linux PCs just took off, the sky is the limit... many good things to come |
| 02:41.00 | streuner | flyinprogramer: there is "simple sid backport", but i doubt its that easy |
| 02:41.12 | PDani | Guerin: i think, it souldn't be so hard to use tab objects instead of window objects everywhere... i mean, like in opera, not catching every call for a new window, and open tabs for them, but generally use the "tab" term instead of "window" term |
| 02:41.23 | streuner | flyinprogramer: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:41.35 | PDani | Guerin: i mean, for firefox development team :) |
| 02:41.47 | PDani | and only as a feature, of course |
| 02:41.47 | Azar | PDani: I "tab" my windows in my openbox menu list :) |
| 02:41.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I mean the built in one, yeah. |
| 02:41.55 | Guerin | PDani: i wouldn't have thought it was hard, either, but it's not been done so I can only assume it is. |
| 02:41.58 | petriborg | does anyone know if the crypto installer failure (documented here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto ) can be worked around when the swap is not mounting during the partition phase? |
| 02:41.58 | darkbahamut | abrotman: what was the added line in modules for? |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | darkbahamut: that's supposed to be your driver for that card .. but apparently your card sucks and there are many problems with it |
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| 02:43.09 | darkbahamut | abrotman: ouch |
| 02:43.36 | PDani | Guerin: then, i must simply live with this... :) |
| 02:44.06 | streuner | flyinprogramer: sometimes (very rare) some debian package doesnt work at all, i just use the source |
| 02:44.33 | flyinprogramer | yah, i guess i'll just wait |
| 02:44.54 | streuner | hm, that problem is reported in may.... |
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| 02:45.45 | PumpkinPie | chmod 770 * |
| 02:45.45 | PumpkinPie | -bash: /bin/chmod: Argument list too long |
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| 02:45.59 | PumpkinPie | I have too many files. Can you please give me alternative? |
| 02:46.12 | streuner | yes, be more specific ;-) |
| 02:46.13 | dussson | is google in webhosting? |
| 02:46.16 | darkbahamut | abrotman: think there is any way possible to get it working? |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: find |
| 02:46.48 | abrotman | dussson: hi .. this is #debian |
| 02:46.51 | mogra | !tell dussson about google |
| 02:46.54 | danf_1979 | Hi, I'm getting a lot of "CUPS-Accept-Jobs: Unauthorized" and another Unauthorized messages on error_log in /var/log/cups/error_log. I have a Epson CX7700. Any ideas? |
| 02:47.06 | PumpkinPie | oh man my irc client is now typing from right to left |
| 02:47.22 | mogra | dussson: try #google |
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| 02:47.35 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: how do I use ? |
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| 02:49.39 | dussson | i am using debian and i know about google page creator buit there seems to be no menu item from the google mail to get to it. |
| 02:49.58 | buu | dussson: What does that have to do with debian? |
| 02:50.01 | buu | Heh. |
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| 02:50.13 | Tramp | PumpkinPie: or "echo * | xargs chmod 770" should do - unless you have files with blanks in them |
| 02:50.30 | PumpkinPie | what is a file with a blank? |
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| 02:51.00 | Tramp | PumpkinPie: filenames I meant |
| 02:51.11 | PumpkinPie | what is a file name with a blank? |
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| 02:51.28 | dussson | hit the wrong button. so, google page creator is not working, has it been abandoned? |
| 02:51.29 | flyinprogramer | alright, thank you streuner , have a great night |
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| 02:52.20 | Tramp | PumpkinPie: any form of whitespace |
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| 02:52.57 | PumpkinPie | this will work too echo * | xargs chown nobody.apache? |
| 02:53.36 | PumpkinPie | it works |
| 02:53.39 | Tramp | PumpkinPie: yes |
| 02:53.40 | PumpkinPie | thx |
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| 02:53.58 | dondelelcaro | you don't need xargs if you're doing that |
| 02:54.21 | dondelelcaro | chown nobody:apache *; is good enough |
| 02:54.53 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: [03:46:00] <PumpkinPie> -bash: /bin/chmod: Argument list too long |
| 02:55.05 | dondelelcaro | then use find+xargs+chmod |
| 02:55.22 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: why use find when xargs is enough? |
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| 02:55.51 | dondelelcaro | because assuming that echo is a builtin is ugly |
| 02:55.57 | streuner | wols: at this time? what the hell are you working? :-) |
| 02:56.25 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: well, I picked this wisdom up yesterday (from stew iirc) and I found it pretty clever 8) |
| 02:56.47 | dondelelcaro | well, it works, but only when echo is a builtin; otherwise it'll fail with echo: argument list too long |
| 02:57.06 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: well, in this case we would have proceeded with plan B |
| 02:57.15 | dondelelcaro | (and learning the find [blah blah] -print0|xargs -0 chmod nobody:apache; mantra is the right thing to learn) |
| 02:58.09 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: ok, but then we would have needed longer, e.g. with the depth-argument etc. |
| 02:59.36 | enouf | heck, use a for loop |
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| 03:00.01 | Tramp | timtowtdy |
| 03:00.12 | Tramp | ... almost ... |
| 03:00.14 | dondelelcaro | heh. using a for loop is an exercise in pain |
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| 03:01.22 | PDani | tab mix plus solved my problem |
| 03:01.41 | Nyle | great extension |
| 03:02.00 | buu | dondelelcaro: Hey, since you're here, how would I do while(<FH>){} in bash? |
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| 03:02.11 | Davao | hello.after done installing a squid i tried to use 192.168.1.43 as proxy.i upt it in firefox..please take a look at my configuration and please correct me if im wrong...thanks http://pastebin.com/d8c9bf12 |
| 03:02.18 | buu | I've tried the usual for i in cat; business, but if the lines have spaces, it explodes. |
| 03:02.18 | Davao | put* |
| 03:02.24 | dondelelcaro | buu: with read |
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| 03:03.35 | dondelelcaro | but frankly, every time I start doing that sort of thing in bash, I invariably just output perl |
| 03:03.54 | dondelelcaro | the fine people in #bash probably know better, though |
| 03:04.11 | buu | dondelelcaro: The extra quoting is annoying for that. |
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| 03:05.17 | Azar | hmm VMS "the best OS?" who've thought |
| 03:05.24 | Azar | ah mister Nyle! :) |
| 03:05.28 | enouf | buu: don;t know if this helps, but i made a small while read line thing for gpg keys once; while read line ; do gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv "$line" ; gpg --export --armor |
| 03:05.28 | enouf | "$line" | sudo apt-key add - ; done < /tmp/file.with.gpg.keys |
| 03:05.30 | Nyle | it is I |
| 03:05.31 | cmanns | Tearing down this computer then building a new one, bb on irc in a few hrs :) |
| 03:06.08 | zythmer | buu: Like this: IFS="\n"; while read line; do\n echo "Line = $line"; \n done < filename; # Where all the \n are literal newlines and I agree with dondelelcaro... |
| 03:06.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: I thought most of the high priests of VMS had died off by now |
| 03:06.24 | Azar | nice #comment |
| 03:06.50 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I just put that question hoping one of you would remember it :) |
| 03:07.13 | Azar | I am too young never seen it, was it really a great OS? |
| 03:07.48 | dondelelcaro | dunno; I never was at a place that had it. |
| 03:07.48 | enouf | heh, i once tried mozilla on linux, added some tab plus thing (had everything and the kichen sink) .. the whole browser blew up (not that it worked correctly in the first place) |
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| 03:08.30 | Nyle | what do you mean it blew up |
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| 03:08.31 | null__ | hmm, why if I send mail as my local user like user@dom.com I am not spammer for gmail/hotmail and if I use anotheruser@dom.com I am? any ideas? |
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| 03:09.40 | enouf | Nyle: i mean the farts turned into flame throwing escapades |
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| 03:09.55 | Nyle | wow |
| 03:09.58 | enouf | :-p |
| 03:10.02 | Nyle | thats heavy |
| 03:10.16 | Nyle | you know |
| 03:10.20 | enouf | you seem so ... er mellow ;-) |
| 03:10.25 | Nyle | firefox on windows is a lot faster than it ison linux |
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| 03:10.40 | hardcamp` | opera is good on both though |
| 03:10.41 | Nyle | its pretty slow in drawing the windows and control sometimes |
| 03:10.45 | Nyle | and i have a damn goo dmachine |
| 03:10.48 | null__ | Nyle: and flash works better too ... |
| 03:10.48 | enouf | it's a bloated pig no matter which OS it's on |
| 03:10.52 | Nyle | well firefox has extensions |
| 03:11.36 | enouf | Virtual Money Store? |
| 03:11.44 | Azar | hahahahaha :) |
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| 03:11.54 | streuner | Nyle: feel free to critizise, but always keep in mind, its easier vs. create... |
| 03:12.00 | enouf | ;-P |
| 03:12.24 | Nyle | streuner: I don't understand |
| 03:12.54 | Nyle | easier vs create |
| 03:12.57 | Nyle | ?? |
| 03:13.02 | streuner | everyone can critizes, but its even harder to create... |
| 03:13.10 | Azar | Nyle: are you by chance... ignoring my hello? |
| 03:13.10 | Nyle | oh in that context |
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| 03:13.20 | Nyle | 10:05 < Nyle> it is I |
| 03:13.31 | Azar | achhh , sorry |
| 03:13.46 | Nyle | HELLO AZAR! |
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| 03:13.48 | Nyle | word |
| 03:13.55 | enouf | i actually admire and have respect for most all developers, programmers and coders (well except moronic web ones who bloat up sites with crap and use broken code) .. |
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| 03:14.12 | Azar | :) /me flaps eyelids faster and faster |
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| 03:14.27 | Nyle | streuner: its not easy to critisize something you love |
| 03:14.41 | Azar | enouf: fun read about Xming, you seen it? |
| 03:14.51 | Nyle | xming kicks booty |
| 03:15.11 | enouf | it's a shame a lot of the internet is coded like a POS, which then means web browser devs need to make their code work with all sorts of buggy crap .. ugh |
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| 03:15.15 | Azar | eh it kinda flunked at licence |
| 03:15.36 | enouf | i use links2 ..fast and furious[tm] :-) |
| 03:15.39 | Nyle | whats with the lisence' |
| 03:15.59 | Nyle | why does everything have to revolve around a liscence now |
| 03:16.16 | Steakk | is anyone here able to assist me in getting realvnc set up on etch? Just some backgroudn info: I am running KDE just fine locally on that box, no errors loading fonts, or drivers, etc...kdm boots up, then KDE after user/pass are input...but, when I start vncserver, I get: could not open default font 'fixed' (along with a bunch of problems with not being able to init font paths) |
| 03:16.16 | Azar | Nyle: juicy read, the developer don't know what GPL or Free Software is but licenced it and now it pooped |
| 03:16.18 | Nyle | is everyone that much of an asshole that they try to make profit off everything |
| 03:17.07 | streuner | most people could earn much more... |
| 03:17.18 | streuner | like RMS |
| 03:17.49 | streuner | if he would go another way, he would be rich... |
| 03:18.00 | streuner | keep that in mind... |
| 03:18.07 | dbe | streuner: Hes my mentor. |
| 03:18.55 | Azar | Nyle: http://blue-gnu.biz/content/xming_another_example_misunderstanding_libre_licenses |
| 03:19.01 | dbe | streuner: I'm going hes way and I dont care about being rich. |
| 03:19.11 | streuner | yeah |
| 03:19.29 | Azar | :) |
| 03:20.01 | Azar | I like his beard... I hope he auctiones it when he will decide to shave |
| 03:20.14 | dbe | I take 500-10000$ per website that I implement in my website revision system, that is money enough. |
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| 03:20.26 | streuner | haha |
| 03:20.35 | dbe | 1000$ even. |
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| 03:21.41 | dbe | streuner: I know you. |
| 03:21.53 | dbe | streuner: But its been years ago. |
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| 03:22.34 | streuner | dbe: could be, most likely in #debian |
| 03:22.58 | streuner | dbe: since '99 here |
| 03:23.04 | mick_home | hi everyone, I am trying to configure my sound card with no luck. my problem is that 1 have an onboard sound card and 2 tv capture cards w/ sound cards. seems to only be able to configure the capture cards :( |
| 03:23.09 | mick_home | i used alsaconf |
| 03:23.32 | mick_home | it sees the 3 cards -- and i can configure them separately -- but alsamixer / kmix only see one :( |
| 03:23.38 | dbe | streuner: I used Debian GNU/Linux before but switched to gNewSense a year ago. I'm just here because I'm bored. |
| 03:24.15 | mick_home | if someone could point out what i am doing wrong, i'd greatly appreciate it. |
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| 03:24.22 | mick_home | no use in watching tv w/o sound |
| 03:24.26 | mick_home | ;) |
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| 03:25.36 | W9ZEB | for a user to have access to the com ports, which group do they need to be a member of? |
| 03:26.05 | \amethyst | mick_home: does alsamixer -c 1 or alsamixer -c 2 work? |
| 03:26.19 | mick_home | amethyst - let me give that a try |
| 03:26.41 | mick_home | wrong -c argument '1' |
| 03:26.59 | petriborg | Is there a place on the debian webpage where the beta3 ISO of the netinstall CD might still exist? |
| 03:27.10 | petriborg | (for 386) |
| 03:27.19 | mogra | mick_home: Sony says some people like playing games without sound in response to bugs ont he PS3 *nodnod* |
| 03:27.21 | mick_home | seems it only "sees" 0 |
| 03:27.41 | mick_home | fuck |
| 03:27.42 | streuner | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer | If nobody answers, try debian-boot@lists.debian.org | status of today's builds: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 03:28.03 | streuner | petriborg: ^^^ |
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| 03:29.24 | petriborg | streuner - yeah i tried with the daily build first but it appears that the dm/crypto issue is not going to be solved in Etch, but it apparently worked in beta3 (hence the specific version) |
| 03:29.46 | mick_home | Yamaha OPL3-SA soundcard not found or device busy |
| 03:29.46 | mick_home | snd_opl3sa2: Unknown symbol snd_mpu401_uart_interrupt |
| 03:29.46 | mick_home | snd_opl3sa2: Unknown symbol snd_mpu401_uart_new |
| 03:30.08 | streuner | petriborg: just re-read the /topic of #debian-boot again |
| 03:30.24 | mick_home | that is in dmesg -- i thought that if i do: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload that it would stop and restart everything |
| 03:30.40 | mick_home | ahhhh.... |
| 03:30.41 | W9ZEB | better question |
| 03:30.44 | mick_home | i see: (failed: modules still loaded: snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc) |
| 03:30.46 | W9ZEB | what does debian name com ports? |
| 03:30.48 | W9ZEB | /dev/ |
| 03:30.59 | mick_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.59 | abrotman | ttyS0 etc |
| 03:31.00 | dalias | /dev/ttyS0 ttyS1 ttyS2 etc |
| 03:31.02 | mogra | well, it's an hour into useage and it appears Firefox is still using less than 10% CPU, I am thinking it was the Flash plugin... |
| 03:31.04 | Kevin` | W9ZEB normal pc serial ports will be ttyS |
| 03:31.13 | W9ZEB | ok |
| 03:31.18 | abrotman | mogra: just watch that RAM skyrocket :) |
| 03:31.30 | streuner | .0 for COM1, .1 for COM2 |
| 03:31.32 | mogra | abrotman: actually, that's not been a problem |
| 03:31.33 | W9ZEB | so /dev/ttyS0 & /dev/ttyUSB0 in my case |
| 03:31.39 | W9ZEB | got it |
| 03:31.41 | mick_home | W9ZEB: the users should be in the group "tty" |
| 03:31.42 | abrotman | mogra: it will be eventually :) |
| 03:31.44 | W9ZEB | been on BSD too long. |
| 03:32.02 | mogra | xD |
| 03:32.12 | dalias | putting users in tty group is possibly dangerous |
| 03:32.23 | dalias | depending on permissions it may allow them to sniff anyone's tty |
| 03:32.23 | W9ZEB | dalias: single user system |
| 03:32.26 | mick_home | ok, how can i find out what is keeping those sound modules running? |
| 03:32.32 | W9ZEB | and I NEED access to the com ports for ham radio aps. |
| 03:32.34 | W9ZEB | apps. |
| 03:32.39 | mogra | what do tty's smell like? |
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| 03:32.46 | dalias | chgrp'ing the device to an appropriate group (or even chown'ing it) is probably smarter |
| 03:32.49 | dondelelcaro | so if you need access, change the group of the TTY that you need to use |
| 03:32.54 | Kevin` | W9ZEB it disturbs me when people call them com ports :) |
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| 03:33.05 | W9ZEB | would you prefer RS232 |
| 03:33.12 | dalias | serial ports |
| 03:33.26 | dalias | that's always been the correct name regardless of OS |
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| 03:33.41 | W9ZEB | in any case, these are used for PTT & Ci-V |
| 03:34.05 | mick_home | i think i'll just need to reboot to make sure nothing is using the sound stuff |
| 03:34.11 | mick_home | damn this |
| 03:34.38 | mick_home | i'll brb |
| 03:34.39 | W9ZEB | dalias: so you'ld suggest using using chgrp on /dev/ttyS0 etc to say the icom group. |
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| 03:34.53 | W9ZEB | since both serial ports are connected to aformentioned icom :) |
| 03:34.59 | dalias | that's the more proper way according to good permissions model practices |
| 03:35.07 | dalias | but either would work ok if it's truely single user |
| 03:35.30 | W9ZEB | sniffer on the serial port that's talking Ci-V isn't going to be very interesting :) |
| 03:35.48 | dalias | imo practicing good permissions model is a good thing to do even if it seems like it doesn't make a difference |
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| 03:36.06 | dalias | because it keeps you thinking in the abstract sense about who should have permissions to what |
| 03:36.42 | dalias | so even when it has no direct advantage, the advantage is the manner of thinking that goes with it, a security-oriented manner |
| 03:38.52 | W9ZEB | interesting, ls -al /dev/ttyS* shows the devices owned by root:dialout' |
| 03:38.56 | W9ZEB | rather than tty. |
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| 03:39.17 | W9ZEB | dalias: that line of thought does make sense btw, and I agree completely. |
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| 03:40.09 | abrotman | so put yourself in the dialout group |
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| 03:42.35 | LamerMan | Hi everyone. I want to make a program that includes tcp server, but i wouldn't like to write the server by my own. Is there a good realization of async tcp server in some library that i could use? |
| 03:46.21 | Chascon | well, I found out why I couldn't build Iceape from source, and it has nothing to do with building it the non-Debian way ... somone took all the proprietary artwork and forgot to replace it. |
| 03:47.19 | dondelelcaro | eh? iceape builds just fine from souce |
| 03:48.12 | Azar | sounds like in "took his toys and left home" |
| 03:48.12 | streuner | why do you want that at all, there are seamonkey (binaries) or just Debian's packages which work... |
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| 03:49.53 | streuner | !info iceape |
| 03:50.11 | Davao | Quad-core is different from Core 2 duo? |
| 03:51.16 | streuner | Version: 1.1.6-1 (iceape) which is "SeaMonkey"... |
| 03:51.40 | streuner | and that is the latest available... |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | Davao: ask #hardware |
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| 03:53.26 | Azar | hopefully it has nothing to do with the Nov 5 found vulnerabilities: iceape |
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| 03:54.55 | ShADoW_LnX | Hi i have problems with my locales, if i try to change (spanish) i got that: http://rafb.net/p/X4P8S551.html anyone know what i can do? (sorry about my english) |
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| 03:56.26 | BsdGentleman | hi I need to create a symlink /usr/X11R6 that points to /usr/local |
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| 03:56.58 | streuner | man ln |
| 03:57.34 | ShADoW_LnX | BsdGentleman: ln -s /usr/X11R6 /usr/local |
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| 03:57.53 | ShADoW_LnX | anyone know how i can solve my problem? |
| 03:57.53 | abrotman | that's not good or right |
| 03:58.08 | Chascon | iceape-calendar is not seamonkey |
| 03:58.09 | abrotman | i doubt anyways ... |
| 03:58.12 | streuner | abrotman: true |
| 03:58.18 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: ever tried dpkg-reconfigure for your locales? |
| 03:58.27 | Chascon | iceape-calendar has calendar enabled |
| 03:58.38 | streuner | ShADoW_LnX: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:58.40 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: i got that when i try to reconfigure. |
| 03:58.58 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: I don't understand, maybe my fault why you need to Get ? |
| 03:59.05 | streuner | - a Calendar (Iceape Calendar) (not officially in the suite) |
| 03:59.06 | Azar | to use Get |
| 03:59.07 | ShADoW_LnX | streuner: ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:59.07 | Chascon | and no, it doesn't build, unless you're passing something to bypass the fact that the free artwork is missing |
| 03:59.18 | streuner | hm, lenny/testing |
| 03:59.34 | Decepticon__ | how do i permanatly turn off this system bell |
| 03:59.40 | Decepticon__ | it keeps ringing when im using putty |
| 03:59.42 | streuner | !bell |
| 03:59.42 | dpkg | it has been said that bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 03:59.42 | Decepticon__ | i dont know why |
| 03:59.43 | Chascon | at least not the mozconfig way |
| 03:59.44 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: y need to put my system in spanish (sorry about my english) |
| 03:59.55 | Decepticon__ | oh crap wrong chanenl |
| 03:59.57 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: use dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:59.57 | Decepticon__ | sorry |
| 04:00.05 | BsdGentleman | ShADoW_LnX: that is what I ran myself but it creates a file /usr/local/X11R6 |
| 04:00.17 | BsdGentleman | ShADoW_LnX: I fine thats a bit wierd |
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| 04:01.07 | Chascon | what does, "This package is empty for the moment." mean on Iceape-calendar/Sid page? http://packages.debian.org/sid/iceape-calendar |
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| 04:01.27 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: look that http://rafb.net/p/3rIshK50.html |
| 04:01.41 | Chascon | I mean the the source is available at http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceape/iceape_1.1.6.orig.tar.gz |
| 04:02.23 | abrotman | it depends on iceape-browser |
| 04:02.27 | Chascon | so how can the package be empty? unless it refers to the .deb? |
| 04:02.51 | Decepticon__ | do i have to change permissions with chmod when i insert a usb hdd? and after i mount it? |
| 04:03.04 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: did you by chance modified by hand the /locale file? |
| 04:03.34 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: where is located? /etc/envoroment? |
| 04:03.40 | ShADoW_LnX | *enviroment? |
| 04:03.48 | Azar | no |
| 04:04.13 | BsdGentleman | ShADoW_LnX: did you see what I was doing |
| 04:05.56 | ShADoW_LnX | BsdGentleman: i don't know whats happening becouse i use that many times to get a symbolic link. |
| 04:06.21 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: where are the locale file? |
| 04:07.10 | Decepticon__ | i cant seem to be able to write anything on my hdds, anyone know whats up |
| 04:07.31 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: depends: systemwide, browser, email ? |
| 04:07.39 | Azar | desktop too? |
| 04:07.53 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: system and desktop |
| 04:08.28 | Azar | cuz if is for openoffice and kde/gnome I am out :) |
| 04:09.20 | Chascon | anyway, where is the Iceape artwork kept? |
| 04:10.01 | dondelelcaro | Chascon: in the diff.gz, generally. |
| 04:10.03 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: i use fluxbox. |
| 04:10.39 | Chascon | ah, so I have to patch the source? |
| 04:10.44 | BsdGentleman | ShADoW_LnX: it seems to be creating X11R6 in /usr/local rather than /usr |
| 04:10.51 | dondelelcaro | Chascon: Debian source packages (usually) have three parts. a .dsc, an .orig.tar.gz, and a .diff.gz (the first tells you what the other components of the source are) |
| 04:11.09 | Chascon | that's why it won't build |
| 04:11.13 | dondelelcaro | Chascon: just dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceape/iceape_1.1.6-1.dsc; or whatever is appropriate. |
| 04:11.27 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: what you got in your environment variables? LANG=es_ES.ISO8859-1 ? |
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| 04:12.35 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: LANG=es_BO.UTF-8 |
| 04:13.12 | Azar | why es_BO? |
| 04:13.34 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: Bolivia----> South America |
| 04:13.51 | ShADoW_LnX | like es_AR Argentina. |
| 04:13.51 | Azar | bah... do Bolivianos speak a different spanish? |
| 04:14.05 | Azar | try es_ES |
| 04:14.28 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: no, but i try es_ES es_AR and the same problem |
| 04:15.14 | dondelelcaro | ShADoW_LnX: use LANG="es_ES.UTF8" |
| 04:15.26 | dondelelcaro | ShADoW_LnX: since the default for those locales is probably still the ISO-8859-1 garbage |
| 04:15.53 | dondelelcaro | (or es_BO.UTF-8 or en_US.UTF-8 or whatever) |
| 04:16.21 | ShADoW_LnX | my $locale result http://rafb.net/p/YbnQxT28.html |
| 04:16.43 | Decepticon__ | what package do i need to download in order to be able to sucessfully read/write from ntfs partitions |
| 04:17.47 | ShADoW_LnX | dondek: do you know why i get that locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory when i exec the locale command? |
| 04:18.15 | dondelelcaro | ShADoW_LnX: because you haven't built whatever locale you have set in LC_CTYPE (or whatever env LC_CTYPE is inheriting from) |
| 04:18.40 | dondelelcaro | ShADoW_LnX: locale -a; has to match with what locale; outputs, or you'll get those errors. |
| 04:18.48 | dondelelcaro | well, warnings, really. |
| 04:19.38 | Steakk | I have an ext3 partition (/dev/hdd1) which is 250gigs in size, and contains all of my multimedia ... When I mount it, seems only root can edit files on there (Write/Delete) unless I do a 'chmod 777 -Rv /media/' every mount ... I know there is something that can be done in /etc/fstab to prevent that from being needed....any ideas? |
| 04:19.45 | ShADoW_LnX | donde el caro, when i try to do dpkg-reconfigure locale i got that http://rafb.net/p/3rIshK50.html |
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| 04:19.46 | Steakk | if I throw umask=0777 into the options, I get this in demsg: EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "umask=0777" or missing value (and it does not mount) |
| 04:20.01 | xacier | is there a way to check spywares and dialers? |
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| 04:20.29 | wols_ | xacier: considering linux has none of those: not really |
| 04:20.46 | wols_ | there is clamav which finds some malware |
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| 04:21.33 | dondelelcaro | ShADoW_LnX: yes, I saw. Again, you need to set LANG, LANGUAGE or LC_ALL or whatever else you've set to es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 04:21.48 | xacier | um i am using dsl, i am afraid of dialers that dial out $$$$ |
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| 04:22.01 | xacier | like 1.4 bucks per minutes crap |
| 04:22.04 | xacier | oh man |
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| 04:22.25 | xacier | can they do anything with dsl? |
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| 04:22.40 | wols_ | xacier: no |
| 04:22.43 | ShADoW_LnX | dondelelcaro: but y try todo that reconfiguring locales, is any way to edit mannually with nano for example? (sorry about my english) |
| 04:22.48 | Kevin` | xacier not unless you have the phone line attached the the computer with a normal modem |
| 04:22.56 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: tried export? |
| 04:23.03 | Azar | as in: export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 04:23.07 | dondelelcaro | ShADoW_LnX: what about it? You don't need to muck with the locales; they're set properly. |
| 04:23.08 | wols_ | even if you had a isnd/modem connected as well: such things like dialers just don't exist in linux |
| 04:23.34 | dondelelcaro | ShADoW_LnX: you just need to fix your user's env variables (possibly /etc/profile too) to use the proper locale which you have built. |
| 04:23.37 | xacier | well i accidentally clicked on some cam link, it says exactly that 1.3 bucks per minute, oh man, |
| 04:23.54 | wols_ | xacier: under what browser and what OS? |
| 04:24.21 | xacier | debian and iceweasel |
| 04:24.21 | wols_ | then it cannot do anything |
| 04:24.29 | xacier | thank god |
| 04:24.59 | kriebel | it can't do anything no matter what you use |
| 04:25.00 | xacier | positively? i know my bro's comp got hijacked by dialers before |
| 04:25.00 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: ok that appears to work |
| 04:25.04 | kriebel | a DSL modem isn't a modem at all |
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| 04:25.20 | wols_ | so far the only malware targeting linux is when sometimes a daemon running as root (e.g. sshd) was vulnerarble and had a public IP |
| 04:25.22 | kriebel | now, if you have a modem.... |
| 04:25.30 | wols_ | no browser hijacking under linux |
| 04:26.04 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: you can also peek at /etc/locale.gen |
| 04:26.08 | wols_ | xacier: he can only get hijacked if he has a connection to the phone system, dsl lines cannot be taken over by dialers. not possible due to the way they work |
| 04:26.56 | Azar | ah, sorry didn't see dondelecaro's advice |
| 04:27.00 | xacier | well the only thing attached to my computer right now is the RJ45 cable |
| 04:27.02 | wols_ | ShADoW_LnX: paste the output of "env" in a pastebin perhaps |
| 04:27.45 | xacier | thx for the answers LOL |
| 04:27.49 | Azar | he wants all spanish and seems to have messed all LC_ stuff |
| 04:28.05 | Decepticon__ | how is it that backports has ntfs-3g 1:1.516-1~bpo.1 when the actual official stable version is 1.1104? |
| 04:28.22 | Decepticon__ | is the backports version older? |
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| 04:36.05 | ShADoW_LnX | Ok, that's work partially.........i see my system is in spanish becouse my fluxbox and conky are in spanish but sylpheed xmms and xchat still in english. |
| 04:36.37 | wols_ | ShADoW_LnX: restart the apps which aren't spanish yet |
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| 04:37.22 | ShADoW_LnX | wols_: i restart the entire system and still in english. |
| 04:38.06 | wols_ | cat /etc/environment |
| 04:38.18 | wols_ | and not all apps are capable of i18n |
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| 04:39.09 | ShADoW_LnX | wols_: i got that on /etc/enviroment LANG=es_BO.UTF-8 |
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| 04:41.45 | ShADoW_LnX | wols_: any idea? |
| 04:44.38 | BsdGentleman | ShADoW_LnX: it was a simple problem of having targe and source backwards |
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| 04:45.22 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: what about dpkg-reconfigure perl? since you get perl message errors |
| 04:46.02 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: i solve that warning editing /etc/profile no more warnings |
| 04:47.23 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: your /etc/locale.gen is set to es? |
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| 04:48.47 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: http://rafb.net/p/wtlXc080.html |
| 04:48.57 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: i need to set only one? |
| 04:50.54 | wols_ | ShADoW_LnX: is that all that is in /etc/environment? |
| 04:51.29 | ShADoW_LnX | wols_: yes |
| 04:52.01 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: I see : en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 there do you need it? |
| 04:52.04 | wols_ | set LANGUAGE to your locale there too |
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| 04:52.35 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: not really there are by default |
| 04:52.39 | ShADoW_LnX | wols_: ok |
| 04:52.44 | Azar | so you can comment it |
| 04:52.51 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: ok |
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| 04:55.18 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: i only leave this uncomented i /etc/locale.gen es_BO.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
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| 04:56.58 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: you use KDE or Gnome? OpenOffice as well? |
| 04:57.19 | ShADoW_LnX | Azar: no, only fluxbox and abiword |
| 04:57.40 | Azar | ah ok |
| 04:57.46 | ShADoW_LnX | talking about abiword is possible to set by default save .doc files? |
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| 04:58.07 | Azar | dunno abiword :) |
| 04:58.09 | ShADoW_LnX | becouse i use .doc files at University. and work |
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| 05:00.53 | ShADoW_LnX | Abiword SOlved |
| 05:02.15 | ShADoW_LnX | changing all locales i still have xmms sylpheed xmms rox in english...... :( |
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| 05:04.28 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: xmms is known to be lacking active development and isn't going to be localized any time soon |
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| 05:04.57 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: ok. |
| 05:05.21 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: sylpheed is a legacy package - use claws-mail |
| 05:06.48 | Azar | ShADoW_LnX: I use xmms, but unfortunately debian dropped it |
| 05:06.57 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: did you try to install the claws-mail-i18n package? |
| 05:06.58 | Nyle | Azar: my main man |
| 05:07.12 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: i use sylpheed-claws |
| 05:07.19 | Azar | Nyle: my favorite friend |
| 05:07.32 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: no i dont try that. |
| 05:07.39 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: try it |
| 05:07.49 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: ok |
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| 05:09.18 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: i dont have that file on my repos |
| 05:10.43 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: then you must be uding something rather old |
| 05:10.52 | Deltantor | oshit |
| 05:10.55 | Deltantor | xmms got updated |
| 05:11.00 | Deltantor | GO COMPILER GO |
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| 05:12.18 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: i find sylpheed-claws-il18n, that's i need |
| 05:12.32 | rox | shtry it out |
| 05:12.42 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: try it out |
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| 05:17.10 | nepbabu | g'day folks :) |
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| 05:18.36 | rox | nepbabu: greetings |
| 05:19.13 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: ok works! now i need xchat xmms and rox (filer) |
| 05:21.10 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: forget localized xmms |
| 05:21.11 | xacier | is there a util that i can display current network traffic? |
| 05:21.45 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: but in another distro i have xmms in spanish...... |
| 05:22.20 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: maybe the distro has localized and didn't provide the patch upstream |
| 05:22.59 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: ok and in rox-filer i set spanish and still in english, i other distros thar works |
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| 05:23.30 | rox | ShADoW_LnX: i do no tuse rox |
| 05:23.48 | rox | s/no tuse/not use/ |
| 05:23.48 | ShADoW_LnX | rox: ok. |
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| 05:39.00 | manu_hack | is there any program on debian which could recognize what is said on the microphone, like saying a word and the word will come up on screen? |
| 05:39.20 | nepbabu | afaik no |
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| 05:40.27 | manu_hack | thx nepbabu, that'd be cool if there is one |
| 05:40.45 | nepbabu | manu_hack, but there is isn't. :) |
| 05:41.15 | manu_hack | will be some in the future :) |
| 05:41.30 | nepbabu | hope for the best. :/ |
| 05:42.12 | wols_ | manu_hack: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Speech-Recognition-HOWTO/software.html#FREESOFTWARE |
| 05:42.21 | acu | I just got a HP Pavillion dv9627cl Laptop AMDX2 with 2 GB ram - I am trying to install Debian and have vista and debian dual boot - When I am trying to install debian - it tells me that it doesnot find the Network card - which is Nvidia Nforce Network controler - what should I do so I go trough Debian installation beyond network devise point ? |
| 05:42.43 | Nyle | Azar: ping |
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| 05:44.53 | manu_hack | wols_: thanks, am reading it |
| 05:45.59 | wols_ | acu: what installer do you use? |
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| 05:49.14 | Internat | being a bit noobish here, i picked up a dual zeon 2.8 server.. and im not entireuly sure what the best kernel for it is |
| 05:49.28 | wols_ | Internat: -686 |
| 05:49.32 | Internat | Linux screamer 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP |
| 05:49.38 | Internat | that seem good to you? |
| 05:49.43 | wols_ | yes |
| 05:49.45 | acu | wols_ I got the Debian etch r1 netinstall for amd64 |
| 05:49.55 | wols_ | !tell acu about kmuto |
| 05:50.03 | DeZ_666 | i have 4.0r1 netinst for AMD64 lol |
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| 05:50.37 | Nyle | good stuff |
| 05:51.39 | DeZ_666 | hey um how do i get more screensavers :( |
| 05:51.48 | Nyle | !search |
| 05:51.48 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 05:51.59 | DeZ_666 | i installed some in the software manager but i dont know how to use them.. |
| 05:52.23 | Nyle | !screensaver |
| 05:52.27 | Nyle | hmm |
| 05:52.32 | Nyle | dpkg stupid bot |
| 05:52.33 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
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| 05:52.55 | kb3llm | .... a problem: i was doing apt-get dist-upgrade, thru ssh and it shut down networking.. did it stop mid-way or is it continuing without the ssh? |
| 05:53.09 | kb3llm | am i screwed? |
| 05:53.38 | acu | wols_ thanks a bunch - I am downloading muto's latest kernel - (that is a network install I guess) |
| 05:53.50 | kb3llm | anyone? please help.. |
| 05:54.06 | kb3llm | its headless, so i cant even see what its doing.. |
| 05:54.21 | DeZ_666 | o.o |
| 05:54.50 | wols_ | kb3llm: did it get a new kernel? |
| 05:55.03 | wols_ | or libc6 perhaps? |
| 05:55.20 | kb3llm | wols_: i dont know.. |
| 05:55.26 | wols_ | then we don't either |
| 05:55.38 | wols_ | what debian branch? if it's lenny or sid you should be hit |
| 05:55.55 | kb3llm | latest........... i did net install a few months ago. |
| 05:56.05 | wols_ | there is no "latest". what version? |
| 05:56.08 | kb3llm | by hit do you mean SOL or IN luck? |
| 05:56.14 | kb3llm | how do i find out? |
| 05:56.23 | wols_ | I mean hit with a baseball bat |
| 05:56.46 | kb3llm | so outta luck? |
| 05:56.53 | nepbabu | what's the problem with reinstalling? |
| 05:57.04 | kb3llm | nepbabu: its a server... (eeek) |
| 05:57.15 | nepbabu | ahh |
| 05:57.17 | kb3llm | just a small server, but still. |
| 05:57.30 | kb3llm | besides reinstalling is for windows.... |
| 05:57.32 | kb3llm | heh |
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| 05:57.46 | nepbabu | okay |
| 05:57.46 | kb3llm | so am I good? i dont know if i should reboot and hope networking comes back or what to do? |
| 05:57.51 | kb3llm | let it run for a while? |
| 05:57.55 | kb3llm | and keep trying to ssh it? |
| 05:58.44 | wols_ | have you any way to reach this server over the network? |
| 05:58.56 | kb3llm | no -it shut networking down |
| 05:59.01 | kb3llm | maybe if i reboot it? |
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| 05:59.10 | wols_ | how do you know it shut networking down? |
| 05:59.48 | kb3llm | because the last line is stopping network connection manager. |
| 05:59.56 | wols_ | what line? |
| 05:59.57 | kb3llm | then putty stopped |
| 06:00.01 | kb3llm | in the ssh session |
| 06:00.11 | wols_ | putty is not your networking |
| 06:00.28 | wols_ | and what is "networking connection manager" supposed to be? where does debian has this? |
| 06:00.35 | kb3llm | ? |
| 06:01.21 | wols_ | is this wireless? |
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| 06:03.06 | wols_ | why are you running network-manager on a server? |
| 06:06.07 | DeZ_666 | hey Nyle |
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| 06:06.21 | DeZ_666 | i already got several screensaver packages |
| 06:06.22 | aliljet2 | hey... |
| 06:06.27 | DeZ_666 | but i dont know how to use em |
| 06:06.30 | aliljet2 | i've got this weird question, maybe it's something people know about.. |
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| 06:06.35 | aliljet2 | I'm wondering how people day trade on debian? |
| 06:06.37 | aliljet2 | does anyone do that? |
| 06:06.52 | aliljet2 | Are there any portfolio management tools in debian? |
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| 06:09.40 | wols_ | aliljet: unlikely |
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| 06:09.57 | aliljet | wols_: you are definitely hte most active #debian helper ever =) |
| 06:10.04 | aliljet | wols_: why unlikely> |
| 06:10.45 | Internat | ok bit of a blonde moment here.. whast the easiest way for me to make anyemail that is sent to my local system by cron or smartd or antyhing, be relayed off the local computer so nothing is actually done here |
| 06:10.51 | Internat | ive tried using ssmtp before but failed misserably |
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| 06:14.09 | wols_ | aliljet: I am not |
| 06:14.51 | wols_ | Internat: try man aliases if it's available |
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| 06:31.00 | DeZ_666 | damnit |
| 06:31.07 | DeZ_666 | why does linux have to be so complex XD |
| 06:32.07 | Nyle | its not complex |
| 06:32.15 | Nyle | its just not candy coated with windows like bullshit |
| 06:32.34 | Nyle | plus its fairly easy to use and setup if you don't mind learning new things |
| 06:32.39 | DeZ_666 | Nyle: im getting an error from Make that i cant find what it means |
| 06:32.56 | wols_ | !tell DeZ_666 about errors |
| 06:33.04 | DeZ_666 | Why thanks --' |
| 06:33.19 | DeZ_666 | wols_: Error 127 |
| 06:33.21 | Nyle | TOKE IT UP MAN |
| 06:33.21 | DeZ_666 | :) |
| 06:33.22 | wols_ | and usually windows error messages are a lot mroe obsucre: no logic behind them |
| 06:33.31 | Nyle | friday night party in #debin |
| 06:33.35 | Nyle | argh |
| 06:33.46 | wols_ | !lart DeZ_666 |
| 06:33.52 | wols_ | you didn't read the factoid |
| 06:34.00 | DeZ_666 | What? |
| 06:34.06 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:34.15 | DeZ_666 | wols_: thats the entire fscking error |
| 06:34.17 | stiv2k | anyone here ever experience problems with a package calle 'cpad-kkernel-source'? |
| 06:34.20 | DeZ_666 | dont tell me to read the factiod |
| 06:34.22 | DeZ_666 | <,< |
| 06:34.25 | wols_ | DeZ_666: paste the full make output |
| 06:34.36 | DeZ_666 | Sec |
| 06:34.41 | Nyle | what |
| 06:34.54 | Nyle | how you gonna sit there and ask for help and not do what you're told |
| 06:34.58 | Nyle | what kinda shit is that |
| 06:35.20 | DeZ_666 | Nyle: it literally says |
| 06:35.24 | DeZ_666 | 'Error 127' |
| 06:35.54 | stew | DeZ_666: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 06:37.58 | DeZ_666 | http://www.rafb.net/p/joZfyY55.html |
| 06:38.16 | stew | DeZ_666: aptitude isntall build-essential |
| 06:38.22 | wols_ | !lart DeZ_666 |
| 06:38.27 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:38.29 | stew | wols_: please stop that |
| 06:38.33 | wols_ | you deserved it. you didn't read the factoid |
| 06:39.36 | wols_ | fyi, first error was "make: g++: Command not found" |
| 06:39.47 | Nyle | why won't the $DISPLAY var get set? |
| 06:40.00 | wols_ | cause you didn't set it? :) |
| 06:40.22 | Nyle | I am going to my lapotp through sshx and I set it to desktop (which is 192.168.1.150 in /etc/hosts) |
| 06:40.27 | Nyle | like desktop:0 |
| 06:40.42 | Nyle | and when I launch an xterm it just says display not set |
| 06:40.57 | Nyle | I don't i relogin and then it starts to say can't connect to display |
| 06:40.59 | stew | Nyle: is xbase-clients installed on each? |
| 06:41.03 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:41.07 | Nyle | thats the one |
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| 06:41.47 | Nyle | stew: thanks, solved it |
| 06:42.04 | wols_ | is it one of the scripts that would set DISPLAY? |
| 06:42.18 | Nyle | probably |
| 06:42.37 | stew | sshd sets DISPLAY, but only if it can run xauth sucessfully |
| 06:42.37 | Nyle | I wonder why it wouldn't get isntalled with aptitude install xorg |
| 06:42.39 | Nyle | which is what I did |
| 06:42.55 | Nyle | I had to delete an old .Xauthority file |
| 06:43.05 | Nyle | there was some error about that too but it went away afterwords |
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| 06:44.18 | DeZ_666 | :O sorry for that BS i pulled earlier guys |
| 06:44.21 | DeZ_666 | >.> |
| 06:44.25 | DeZ_666 | !apologize wols_ |
| 06:44.28 | DeZ_666 | :D |
| 06:44.32 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:44.35 | Nyle | cute |
| 06:44.36 | nepbabu | !enter |
| 06:44.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 06:44.45 | DeZ_666 | die -.- |
| 06:45.15 | Nyle | hey stew |
| 06:45.36 | stiv2k | help for some reason i am getting a permission denied when trying to view an NFS share... i havent changed my configuration recently so i have no idea why this could be |
| 06:45.41 | s[exe] | Wow, I'm incredibly confused. Partitioning on this laptop was done by a Dell installer thing. There's this partition (/dev/sda1) that doesn't seem to line up right: Its marked as starting towards the end of sda2 and continuing through the next partition. Its so .. bizarre. |
| 06:45.43 | stiv2k | it used to work |
| 06:46.10 | Kevin` | s[exe] recommendation: fix it |
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| 06:46.52 | Kevin` | dell is on my list of companies not to trust for things like this |
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| 06:48.56 | wols_ | DeZ_666: your program now compiled? |
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| 06:50.23 | Nyle | dell bad |
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| 06:51.55 | DeZ_666 | yes :) |
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| 06:53.30 | DeZ_666 | bah bloody hell |
| 06:53.34 | DeZ_666 | now the app isnt working --' |
| 06:53.52 | DeZ_666 | im missing some .so file.. |
| 06:57.20 | DeZ_666 | fsck :( |
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| 07:02.34 | DeZ_666 | hey..can someone tell me what the copy command is in bash O:) |
| 07:02.45 | Internat | cp |
| 07:02.52 | DeZ_666 | thanks |
| 07:03.09 | zythmer | it's not shell specific |
| 07:03.50 | DeZ_666 | in linux then :P |
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| 07:05.56 | nepbabu | DeZ_666, hey man you should get a book. |
| 07:06.00 | nepbabu | ^_^ |
| 07:07.04 | DeZ_666 | im no good with books :/ |
| 07:07.19 | nepbabu | i had that ref book called "The complete ref - Linux" or so i remember. |
| 07:07.25 | nepbabu | try wikis |
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| 07:08.31 | nepbabu | seriously if you want to learn about linux, you should read book, man pages and all that. it'll help you in long term. |
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| 07:09.01 | DarkBahamut | hi everyone |
| 07:09.11 | nepbabu | hey DarkBahamut |
| 07:09.26 | DarkBahamut | what about learing about linux? |
| 07:09.50 | nepbabu | learn linux? i was suggesting to DeZ_666 to get a book on linux |
| 07:09.57 | DarkBahamut | o |
| 07:10.03 | nepbabu | i.e., if he wants to learn |
| 07:10.11 | DarkBahamut | i myself know almost nothing about linux |
| 07:10.17 | DeZ_666 | <,< same |
| 07:10.25 | nepbabu | same here |
| 07:10.30 | nepbabu | :( |
| 07:10.37 | DarkBahamut | same ;( |
| 07:10.54 | DeZ_666 | heh, can either of you tell me what 'cannot stat' means while make'ing something? |
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| 07:11.07 | nepbabu | no clue |
| 07:11.13 | DarkBahamut | never heard of it |
| 07:11.17 | DarkBahamut | what are you trying to do |
| 07:11.36 | DeZ_666 | use make install on this application i have here |
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| 07:12.06 | DarkBahamut | so your trying to install something or just make an install of it? |
| 07:12.28 | DeZ_666 | trying to install it.. |
| 07:12.36 | DarkBahamut | what are you typing |
| 07:12.42 | DeZ_666 | `make install' |
| 07:12.53 | DarkBahamut | what app are you trying to install? |
| 07:13.12 | twiggz | is that emacs irc client worth a damn? |
| 07:13.22 | twiggz | like..how does it compare to weechat or irssi? |
| 07:13.24 | DeZ_666 | Umm its an application for tokenizing and downloading data to a microprocessor i have |
| 07:13.29 | twiggz | personally i like weechat. |
| 07:13.34 | twiggz | its like irssi with balls. |
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| 07:14.28 | nepbabu | without balls? |
| 07:14.41 | DarkBahamut | dez try using aptitude install? |
| 07:14.50 | DarkBahamut | without the ? |
| 07:15.08 | DeZ_666 | whats aptitude? |
| 07:15.19 | nepbabu | a test you have to pass |
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| 07:15.42 | nepbabu | it's said that it's very hard test |
| 07:15.44 | DarkBahamut | its a command used to install certant programs |
| 07:15.56 | nepbabu | 0_o |
| 07:16.18 | DeZ_666 | DarkBahamut: if you're saying this is gonna be in a repo it wont be |
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| 07:17.37 | wols_ | DeZ_666: aptitude is the default way to install stuff on debian etch. apt-get is sorta deprecated |
| 07:17.38 | DarkBahamut | wells i wasent sure thats why i said.. sry bout that |
| 07:18.00 | DarkBahamut | hi wols |
| 07:18.05 | DeZ_666 | Ah so i should use aptitude instead of apt-get? o.O |
| 07:18.08 | wols_ | DeZ_666: and if you need help with error messages paste the EXACT error message |
| 07:18.11 | DeZ_666 | I have learned something new today.. |
| 07:18.23 | dalias | *sigh* why does everyone keep talking apt-get down? |
| 07:18.27 | dalias | imo aptitude sucks |
| 07:18.34 | dalias | it uses 100+ megs of ram |
| 07:18.50 | DeZ_666 | www.pastebin.ca/778060 |
| 07:18.53 | dalias | and thereby swaps the whole box to hell |
| 07:18.56 | nepbabu | dalias, then use apt-get |
| 07:19.02 | nepbabu | stop complaining |
| 07:19.04 | nepbabu | :/ |
| 07:19.04 | dalias | i do use apt-get |
| 07:19.07 | wols_ | dalias: cause it's the standard. which is why #debian supports it. you don't have to use it (I don't), but in here you have to tell people about it |
| 07:19.17 | dalias | this is why i wish folks would stop trying to deprecate apt-get... |
| 07:19.27 | zythmer | wols_: Why don't you use it? What do you use instead? |
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| 07:19.58 | wols_ | zythmer: apt-get out of habit |
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| 07:20.08 | wols_ | DeZ_666: "No such file or directory" is a pretty big hint, isn't it? |
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| 07:20.39 | DarkBahamut | wols_: i tried searching everywhere i could but cant find any info on acpi =/ and my laptop is like an unknown model also i cant find anything on it |
| 07:20.46 | DeZ_666 | how do i manage to miss these things --' |
| 07:20.48 | DeZ_666 | anyways |
| 07:20.55 | DeZ_666 | 'make' returns an error i cant fix |
| 07:21.03 | DeZ_666 | a bug in the code |
| 07:21.10 | nepbabu | !pastebin | DeZ_666 |
| 07:21.12 | wols_ | you didn't compile stampbc probably |
| 07:21.43 | DeZ_666 | :| |
| 07:21.57 | DeZ_666 | i didnt get a friendly message nepbabu ;) |
| 07:22.09 | nepbabu | DeZ_666, the easiest way if you want is to apt-get/aptitude the package. |
| 07:22.11 | wols_ | DarkBahamut: wrote a mail/forum post to the sites I pointed you to? |
| 07:22.12 | nepbabu | DeZ_666, :) |
| 07:22.14 | DarkBahamut | lol what did it say? |
| 07:22.20 | DeZ_666 | nepbabu: i doubt its a package |
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| 07:22.26 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 07:22.40 | wols_ | nepbabu: just tell me where to get a compiler for a BASIC stamp in debian then... |
| 07:22.45 | nepbabu | DeZ_666, no man, i mean if you can't get the package in debian mirror, i prefer only to install them. |
| 07:22.45 | ribasushi | what was this page that showed why a package did not jump to testing? |
| 07:22.50 | ribasushi | I can't seem to find it anywhere |
| 07:22.51 | wols_ | !tell DarkBahamut about laptops |
| 07:23.00 | wols_ | !why is ribasushi not in testing |
| 07:23.00 | dpkg | ribasushi is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ribasushi |
| 07:23.04 | DeZ_666 | What do you mean 'only to install them' |
| 07:23.05 | nepbabu | wols_, then he'd have to compile it. :) |
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| 07:23.49 | DeZ_666 | wols_ / nepbabu i cant compile it --' |
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| 07:23.55 | hari | plz help me to upload the videos on ipod |
| 07:24.02 | nepbabu | DeZ_666, prolly you'd need additional headers for that? |
| 07:24.07 | wols_ | DeZ_666: since you're unable to learm, please stop stalking to me |
| 07:24.16 | wols_ | *learn |
| 07:24.23 | ribasushi | wols_: does "<package> is going in today" mean that it should be there already, or is it literally "today"? |
| 07:24.27 | nepbabu | DeZ_666, listen to wols_. he's more experienced than me. |
| 07:24.27 | hari | hello to all |
| 07:24.34 | wols_ | ribasushi: no clue |
| 07:24.42 | hari | i want to upload the video file in ipod |
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| 07:24.53 | DarkBahamut | wols_: i tried those sites that dpkg tells me about and my laptop is not listed |
| 07:25.16 | wols_ | DarkBahamut: then maybe you should *gasp* ASK them? |
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| 07:25.46 | DarkBahamut | wols_: huh? |
| 07:25.56 | DeZ_666 | wols_: i am willing to learn, im sorry ok |
| 07:26.06 | DeZ_666 | and id appreciate it if you could help me resolve this problem |
| 07:26.36 | DeZ_666 | I have the compiler error here www.pastebin.ca/778064 , and i dont think its because of headers |
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| 07:27.03 | wols_ | DeZ_666: what gcc version? |
| 07:27.14 | wols_ | try an older version if at all possible |
| 07:27.17 | DeZ_666 | 4.1.2 |
| 07:27.27 | DeZ_666 | Ah |
| 07:27.41 | DeZ_666 | in gcc -v it says (prerelease)...how do i roll-back? |
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| 07:28.59 | daaku | i'm messing around with the mysql config, and i've borked something - is there a way to 'clean-the-slate' so to speak? sort of start from scratch? |
| 07:29.24 | hari12 | how to upload the video files in ipod |
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| 07:33.52 | nepbabu | !beer Dark_Apostrophe |
| 07:33.55 | nepbabu | :) |
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| 07:34.24 | DarkBahamut | lol how do you make different commands like that? |
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| 07:34.41 | nepbabu | dpkg's got it already. |
| 07:34.50 | DarkBahamut | all i know is how to slap its all they got when right click |
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| 07:35.16 | nepbabu | how many times do you want to slap yourself man? |
| 07:35.23 | nepbabu | 0_o |
| 07:35.24 | cahoot | and in public? |
| 07:35.25 | DarkBahamut | i didnt lol |
| 07:35.33 | nepbabu | lol |
| 07:35.34 | wols_ | DeZ_666: apt-cache search gcc |grep gcc |
| 07:35.36 | DarkBahamut | that was dpkg last time |
| 07:35.43 | wols_ | DeZ_666: you can have more than one version of gcc installed |
| 07:35.51 | cahoot | !botplay |
| 07:35.51 | dpkg | Stop playing with me; you'll go blind! |
| 07:36.05 | nepbabu | 0_o |
| 07:36.12 | DarkBahamut | woa is dpkg a real person? he seems like a bot |
| 07:36.23 | nepbabu | yeah he's typing constantly in the corner |
| 07:36.25 | nepbabu | :) |
| 07:36.27 | DarkBahamut | or umm... it* |
| 07:36.34 | wols_ | dpkg: who owns you? |
| 07:36.34 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 07:36.51 | nepbabu | hah |
| 07:37.00 | DarkBahamut | so its a bot? |
| 07:37.20 | wols_ | of course |
| 07:37.23 | wols_ | dpkg: what are you? |
| 07:37.23 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:37.42 | DarkBahamut | lol how do you see <blootbot>? |
| 07:38.05 | cahoot | !lol |
| 07:38.06 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:38.18 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.34 | dalias | lol dpkg |
| 07:38.34 | ribasushi | dpkg: lol |
| 07:38.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:38.41 | DarkBahamut | cool |
| 07:38.50 | dalias | rotflmao |
| 07:38.52 | wols_ | but you might need to be identified to irc services for it to work |
| 07:39.08 | ribasushi | !lolcat |
| 07:39.12 | ribasushi | :(( |
| 07:39.15 | wols_ | !botabuse |
| 07:39.15 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 07:39.31 | wols_ | so please stop it. use /msg dpkg <factoid> instead |
| 07:39.52 | nepbabu | hehe |
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| 07:40.36 | ribasushi | but how does this make debian look in the eyes of all the lolcode devwelopers out there |
| 07:40.46 | ribasushi | it's like debian is not endorsing and suporting this language |
| 07:40.54 | DarkBahamut | wols_: what did you meen earlyer when you said *gasp* ask them? |
| 07:41.31 | wols_ | the sites dpkg linked you to allow you to ask people |
| 07:41.35 | nepbabu | i love sushi |
| 07:41.37 | nepbabu | :O |
| 07:41.40 | wols_ | via mailinglists, forums, etc |
| 07:41.43 | twiggz | sashimi! |
| 07:41.45 | DarkBahamut | o |
| 07:41.48 | DarkBahamut | i see |
| 07:41.49 | twiggz | kimchi is great too. |
| 07:42.00 | ribasushi | nepbabu: me too... let's make out! |
| 07:42.07 | nepbabu | 0_o |
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| 07:42.32 | DarkBahamut | wols_: also, sorry for all the questions and for bugging you |
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| 07:45.31 | twiggz | why does cnn say im using flash player 4 when i just installed the non-free flash 9 plugin ? |
| 07:45.37 | twiggz | with synaptic? |
| 07:45.39 | twiggz | lol |
| 07:45.43 | twiggz | thats so homosexual. |
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| 07:49.29 | hari12 | how to upload the video files in ipod |
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| 07:55.43 | hari12 | how to upload the video files in ipod |
| 07:56.19 | nepbabu | hari12, mount the ipod, cp videofile /mnt/ipod/ |
| 07:56.30 | SpeedyG | hi, every time I log in, all volume settings are turned to 0%, is there anything that I can do to keep it at the desired volume levels? |
| 07:58.29 | hari12 | nepbabu: we need the softawre for uplaod vidoes from system to ipod |
| 07:58.50 | nepbabu | hari12, mount is your software. cp is for copying. |
| 07:58.59 | nepbabu | hari12, what file system does ipod use? |
| 07:59.42 | hari12 | wipod is ntfs format |
| 07:59.51 | liable | innit gtkpod or something? |
| 08:00.09 | Kevin` | hari12 might want to change it to fat32 |
| 08:00.10 | hari12 | yes we are using gtk pod |
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| 08:00.40 | hari12 | liable, but it is for audio |
| 08:00.56 | hari12 | how to transfer video using gtk pod |
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| 08:01.30 | nepbabu | hari12, mount -t ntfs /dev/[h|s]d[a|b|c..] /mnt/ipod; cp videofile /mnt/ipod; ./rebuild_db; |
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| 08:02.48 | nepbabu | hari12, mount -t ntfs /dev/[h|s]d[a|b|c..] /mnt/ipod; cp videofile /mnt/ipod; ./rebuild_db; |
| 08:02.53 | nepbabu | doh |
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| 08:04.13 | hari12 | nepbabu,that is fine but we need the software like gtk pod to transfer the videos like gtk pod |
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| 08:06.07 | hari12 | libale.any software is there for transfering video in to ipod in GUI |
| 08:06.38 | liable | no idea, i dont even own an ipod |
| 08:06.42 | nepbabu | hari12, no idea man. |
| 08:06.56 | nepbabu | hey liable |
| 08:07.09 | morteng | please will netbeans run on debian? I have the etch and would prefer to run debian. |
| 08:07.31 | nepbabu | morteng, is netbeans java app? |
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| 08:07.40 | hari12 | nepbabu.can u brief about to mount vidoes in command line |
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| 08:07.58 | morteng | netbeans is definit java, I used automatix to install suns java. |
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| 08:08.12 | nepbabu | morteng, if java works, netbean should work then. |
| 08:08.28 | morteng | ok, I'll try |
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| 08:10.41 | nepbabu | see ya all. |
| 08:10.43 | nepbabu | :) |
| 08:10.47 | nepbabu | !bot you |
| 08:10.58 | nepbabu | doh |
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| 08:14.35 | Guerin | morteng: the moment you use automatix you waive all claims to support in #debian |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | (even if you're not using ubuntu) |
| 08:15.12 | Tomasu | I just borked my sudoers file, and now I can't login as root (su is locked, and sudo is failing), how can I fix it? |
| 08:15.24 | Tomasu | I hope I dont have to do a single user login ... |
| 08:15.34 | Guerin | Tomasu: unlock su |
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| 08:15.44 | Guerin | why the hell is su locked anyway? |
| 08:15.46 | Tomasu | Guerin: how, if I can't get root access? |
| 08:15.52 | Guerin | sudo for everything is stupid |
| 08:15.55 | Tomasu | its locked in some distros |
| 08:16.04 | Tomasu | I usually just alias su to sudo su - ;) |
| 08:16.14 | Guerin | Tomasu: not debian. If you're not running debian, all I can say is `sucks to be you' |
| 08:16.22 | Tomasu | ::) |
| 08:16.27 | Tomasu | anyone else? |
| 08:16.43 | Guerin | i expect that's all anyone will say in #debian |
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| 08:17.03 | Guerin | #ubuntu are probably experts on unborking a borked sudoers, since it's bound to happen to them daily. |
| 08:17.26 | Tomasu | if thats all anyone will say here, its quite a useless channel |
| 08:17.32 | Tomasu | but I doubt that very much |
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| 08:17.36 | Guerin | only to people who aren't running debian |
| 08:17.43 | Guerin | it's plenty useful to those who are |
| 08:17.44 | Tomasu | I do run debian, just not on this box |
| 08:17.55 | Tomasu | not if all you get from people is "STFU N00b!" |
| 08:18.00 | Guerin | then get back to us when you have a problem with your debian box |
| 08:18.03 | wols_ | Tomasu: then you don't have any business asking here |
| 08:18.06 | Tomasu | oy |
| 08:18.12 | Guerin | i haven't said STFU or noob even once |
| 08:18.14 | Tomasu | no ot questions ever? thats sad |
| 08:18.15 | morteng | I found netbeans as part of lenny (testing) and sid unstable. Is ist sufficient to populate /etc/apt/sources.list with lenny testing and append netbeans? |
| 08:18.32 | wols_ | morteng: no |
| 08:18.42 | Guerin | Tomasu: why exactly would you not ask in the channel of the distro you're using |
| 08:18.43 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:18.45 | Guerin | i mean |
| 08:19.02 | Tomasu | Guerin: debian'ers tend to actually know more? |
| 08:19.05 | Guerin | are you not doing so because you're banned there, because you like being difficult, or because you're just stupid? |
| 08:19.09 | Tomasu | or is that assumtion wrong? |
| 08:19.31 | stew | Tomasu: Guerin: please just drop it |
| 08:19.36 | Tomasu | ja |
| 08:19.42 | Tomasu | no use talking to him anyhow |
| 08:19.50 | Guerin | Tomasu: you're telling the story. #debianers tend to know much more about debian, but less about ubuntu. Strange, but true. |
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| 08:20.05 | Tomasu | Guerin: "tend to know more" period. |
| 08:20.13 | stew | Tomasu: Guerin: drop it |
| 08:20.16 | Guerin | stew: i did |
| 08:20.20 | Tomasu | lol |
| 08:20.57 | stew | morteng: in general you don't want to install packages from another release directly, /msg dpkg backports |
| 08:21.34 | morteng | Then I could upgrade my debian from etch 4.0 to lenny, will that work ? |
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| 08:22.02 | wols_ | morteng: it will but probably uncessessary |
| 08:22.05 | techouse | has any f you guys any ide which app should i use to play aspx files? |
| 08:22.27 | wols_ | just install sun java jdk, a backport should be very easy/trivial |
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| 08:22.46 | stew | in reality a backport in this case is really not necessary |
| 08:23.04 | morteng | I prefer to keep my debian as stable as possible, but I sometimes need some ubuntu packages, I can do that on ubuntu, and ask there. |
| 08:23.23 | wols_ | techouse: aspx are MS ASP webserver pages |
| 08:23.27 | wols_ | nothing to "play" |
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| 08:23.47 | wols_ | morteng: mixing distros is a very bad idea |
| 08:23.53 | techouse | hmm...i downloaded a windows media player playlist and the extension ia aspx |
| 08:23.55 | wols_ | either run debian or ubuntu |
| 08:24.07 | techouse | is a* |
| 08:24.07 | stew | i don't think that is what he is saying |
| 08:24.26 | morteng | thanks for the information about automatix, I love my debian and ubuntu can't change that. |
| 08:24.43 | wols_ | morteng: who told you about automatix? |
| 08:24.58 | stew | morteng: in general, you really don't want to mix releases, in the case of the netbeans package its probably ok to download both the -ide and -platform packages from lenny and dpkg -i them |
| 08:25.42 | morteng | automatix was found by google, on my weblog you can read more about that. i can look it up so that a warning could be issued. I think debianhelper.co.uk or something. |
| 08:26.08 | techouse | wols_: the aspx file as an asf playlist |
| 08:26.18 | techouse | is an* |
| 08:26.26 | morteng | I never heard anything about warning during automatix, I also read that a 64 bit debian port of automatix is being developed. |
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| 08:27.12 | wols_ | morteng: what has automatix to do with #debian? |
| 08:27.35 | wols_ | except that it breaks debian and we might have to pick up the pieces |
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| 08:27.53 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:27.56 | morteng | automatix is used for easily appending debian packages, not found by synaptic. |
| 08:28.26 | morteng | OK I can remove my automatix, |
| 08:28.43 | wols_ | morteng: too late. you probably already broke your debian |
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| 08:29.34 | sauvin | wols_, #ubuntu has a blanket policy of not helping people who've hosed their systems with things like automatix. |
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| 08:29.58 | morteng | I listened in a sun video about project glassfish, I presume that is not tailured for debian. |
| 08:30.48 | sauvin | If you can get source, you may be better off building it and installing to /usr/local rather than rely on some scripted non-Debian installer. |
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| 08:31.51 | sauvin | Otherwise, the general concensus seems to be that once you've automatixed your system, the best way to repair it is to reinstall. |
| 08:31.55 | techouse | lol...amarok can't play asf playlists, but mplayer can :D hahaha |
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| 08:32.42 | morteng | OK, I think I get the point. the source is available, the package is listed as .deb, If I Remember correctly, But I have plenty of disk space, and I can take the ubuntu version recommended. new to me is that automatix is not supported on #debian and not on #ubuntu. |
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| 08:33.14 | Nyle | you don't need automatix |
| 08:33.18 | Nyle | its garbage |
| 08:33.21 | stew | morteng: what do you mean by "take the ubuntu version recommended"? |
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| 08:33.50 | stew | morteng: you mean that this tool recommends that you install ubuntu packages onto debian? |
| 08:34.25 | morteng | I will keep of automatix in the future. Sun stated that project glass fish is the greates dunation of open source software to the ubuntu community. |
| 08:34.43 | morteng | I'm more used and familiar with debian, |
| 08:35.23 | morteng | my source is here une moment I'll look it up. and pase a url. |
| 08:36.44 | morteng | http://sunfeedroom.sun.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a39118861:1164cbfad07:-7ed8&rf=bm&st=1195288482264&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fr=111307_014023617_w7efaf987x1163a0f40c2x4f8&rdm=787427.7761664715 |
| 08:36.53 | morteng | glassfish for linux |
| 08:37.46 | sauvin | If you're really comfortable with debian, you'll find ubuntu reasonably familiar enough. |
| 08:37.48 | morteng | the fastest web application server, tomcat javadb databeses jsp everything, it looks great. |
| 08:38.09 | xingu | those shiny brochures, they're always gospel |
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| 08:38.43 | Quibus | hello all |
| 08:38.54 | sauvin | What's with all this (fire|ice|glass|$other_substance)(fox|weasel|fish|$other_animal) naming conventions, anyway? |
| 08:39.05 | Quibus | Anyone got an idea why my USB hub stopped working after years, with messages like this: hub 2-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 2 disabled |
| 08:39.06 | morteng | ok, I'll try ubuntu and next time I install debian I'll keep of automatix, please when will debian offer openjdk, still the java trap i feel is active. |
| 08:39.33 | stew | morteng: what is openjdk? |
| 08:39.34 | sauvin | Quibux: usb hubs, like anything else electronic, can fry. |
| 08:40.04 | sauvin | I'm guessing an open java development kit? |
| 08:40.42 | morteng | http://sunfeedroom.sun.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a39118861:1164cbfad07:-7ed8&rf=bm&st=1195288482264&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fr=111307_014023617_w7efaf987x1163a0f40c2x4f8&rdm=787427.7761664715 |
| 08:41.27 | morteng | open jdk is 6 Millions lines of code GPL licensed sun java development kit, for debian and all linuxes. |
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| 08:41.57 | morteng | openjdk solves the java trap. |
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| 08:42.14 | fengor | what about eclipse? |
| 08:42.26 | stew | morteng: is 100% of it free now? last i looked there were still parts of the classpath that were not yet free |
| 08:42.26 | morteng | If I am correctly informed, but nowadays I never believe what i read, |
| 08:42.27 | sauvin | What's this "java trap" you're talking about, and how do you see "openjdk" being a "solution" to it? |
| 08:42.44 | stew | sauvin: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html |
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| 08:45.01 | morteng | eclipse is interesting but I don't like it. the headnote of the java-trap articke i feel resolves the GPL problem. |
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| 08:45.47 | morteng | http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-welcomes-gpl-java.html |
| 08:45.58 | sauvin | ah. |
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| 08:47.58 | morteng | don't know if this holds for netbeans, eclipse is simply not my best piece of software, |
| 08:48.09 | Quibus | Netbeans will be freed as well |
| 08:48.35 | stew | morteng: netbeans must already be free as it is in debian's contrib repositories |
| 08:48.46 | morteng | That was good news. No java trap no netbenas trap the only trap whch remains is the Automatix trap. Right? |
| 08:49.34 | morteng | I can write and blog about the automatix trap, if I get time to do it. |
| 08:49.43 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone tell me why a VNC client is saying `Can't open display'? |
| 08:49.53 | DeZ_666 | Ive tried several clients and it doesnt give any other info |
| 08:50.08 | Quibus | sauvin: you really think my USB hub is fried? |
| 08:50.09 | chance2105 | 3d graphics drivers remain |
| 08:50.23 | wols_ | cause your DISPLAY environment variable is not set or wrong |
| 08:50.34 | sauvin | Quibus, I don't know for sure one way or another. It's one possible explanation. Do you not have other hubs? |
| 08:50.43 | Quibus | I do not |
| 08:51.00 | sauvin | They're cheap! Get one! |
| 08:51.14 | Quibus | it's built into my monitor |
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| 08:51.33 | sauvin | Your... monitor? |
| 08:51.41 | Quibus | yes |
| 08:51.44 | SpeedyG | ah, those |
| 08:51.57 | Quibus | An IIyama Vision Master Pro 451 |
| 08:51.57 | dutchfish | Quibus, DELL monitor? |
| 08:52.18 | Quibus | Worked for 5 years... |
| 08:52.39 | xingu | Quibus: have you upgraded your kernel recently? |
| 08:52.40 | sauvin | .oO(USB hubs in monitors?) |
| 08:52.53 | dutchfish | sauvin, yes |
| 08:52.54 | wols_ | sauvin: for years now. almost all TFTs do |
| 08:53.05 | Quibus | xingu: I'm running testing with stock kernel. AFAIK it hasn't been updated since a few months |
| 08:53.11 | sauvin | What's a TFT? |
| 08:53.20 | xingu | Quibus: just curious; check lsusb, and what it thinks about power budgets. |
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| 08:53.32 | Quibus | xingu: lsusb doesn't even list the hub anymore |
| 08:53.49 | xingu | Quibus: but yes, I've *personally* had a powered belkin hub go on the fritz, and the symptom was repeated bouncing just like that. |
| 08:54.13 | Quibus | oh wait, -v helps |
| 08:54.31 | Quibus | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.40 | xingu | Quibus: the reason I ask about kernel upgrade is that the kernel is now a lot stricter about enforcing claimed budgets |
| 08:55.04 | Quibus | how do I check those budgets exactly? |
| 08:55.04 | xingu | (probably, to prevent people cooking them tee hee) |
| 08:55.57 | morteng | I have some questions about GCJ the Gnu java compiler, It says Most APIs are supported, except the AWT and Swing. is this true? |
| 08:56.07 | stew | morteng: well a quick glance at the license that comes with the zipfile from openjdk says that it is not legally redistributable as is |
| 08:56.25 | morteng | interesting, |
| 08:56.30 | stew | morteng: it got software that is both apache 1.1 licensed and gpl2 licensed |
| 08:56.38 | xingu | Quibus: bHubContrCurrent from memory, in lsusb -v |
| 08:57.05 | morteng | ok, didn't know that. |
| 08:57.49 | stew | morteng: which means if debian were to try to distribute it, it would have to be crippled, the apache 1.1 licensed software would have to be removed from the source |
| 08:58.15 | sauvin | what's this "can't get device qualifier; operation not permitted" I'm seeing on lsusb -v output? |
| 08:59.00 | morteng | My understand ing was that the Trade mark java is well under protection by sun, but a compiler interpreter like J++ J# anyone can do, but not name it java. |
| 08:59.57 | xingu | sauvin: running as root? |
| 09:00.03 | morteng | This is for preventing Microsoft and other hostile forces from doing nasty things. |
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| 09:00.31 | sauvin | xingu, no, I think you might have something there. |
| 09:00.34 | Quibus | sauvin: it's all 0 milli Ampere |
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| 09:01.27 | sauvin | xingu, you were right. |
| 09:02.10 | xingu | "FlashBuster-U Floppy" that'll do. :) |
| 09:03.07 | Quibus | I mean, xingu: it's all 0 milli Amps |
| 09:03.12 | DeZ_666 | jesus :/ |
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| 09:03.22 | DeZ_666 | i am disliking debian very much XD |
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| 09:04.19 | xingu | Quibus: understood, just looking to see what can be queried; does the hub show up as a peripheral in lsusb -v ? |
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| 09:05.09 | xingu | Quibus: here for eg I have ... "Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000" which is the host port, and "Bus 005 Device 002: ID 057b:0000" which is my floopy drive peripheral |
| 09:05.53 | xingu | Quibus: unfortunately, only the peripheral is registering a power demand (MaxPower), I'm still trying to work out what the budget of the controller is/ where it's reported |
| 09:06.38 | sauvin | what's with the "not liking debian" about? |
| 09:07.28 | xingu | Quibus: I suspect it might be a boolean - "is the port overbudget, or not" - in PortPwrCtrlMask |
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| 09:09.07 | Quibus | xingu: all 0xff |
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| 09:10.38 | jesse | how do i made aptitude treat recommendations as dependencies? |
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| 09:11.07 | simonrvn | edit your aptitude prefs |
| 09:11.11 | xingu | Quibus: can you pastebin the lsbusb -v for that specific hub port on the host? (eg, bus 5 device 1 in my example above) |
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| 09:11.35 | xingu | Quibus: just want to compare/ contrast your busted case with my working one here to see what's different, will narrow the search scope considerably |
| 09:11.40 | arash_ | quick q about ip aliasing... I added an alias (eth1:1) with it's own public IP... now how can I access that interface locally (via a 127 ip)? |
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| 09:11.51 | Schalken | simonrvn: okay, and where would they be? |
| 09:11.58 | wols_ | Schalken: run aptitude, in there you can set it in the preferences |
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| 09:12.00 | Quibus | Bus 003 device 001 seems to be hubby |
| 09:12.13 | simonrvn | uh, in the menu... |
| 09:12.23 | Schalken | wols_: oh, i didnt know it has its own preferences UI. |
| 09:12.37 | Schalken | wols_: im doing an update right now, will check it in 10 mins. |
| 09:12.37 | wols_ | Schalken: a bit more than just preferences |
| 09:12.44 | Quibus | but 002-001 as well |
| 09:12.44 | xingu | Quibus: for you, it's hub 2 device 1 I think from your dmesg above |
| 09:12.45 | Schalken | or upgrade, rather. |
| 09:12.54 | morteng | /leave |
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| 09:13.08 | Quibus | 1-1 says Hub as well |
| 09:13.27 | Quibus | xingu: argh, I have to go. I'll get back to this as soon as I can... THanks!! |
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| 09:13.46 | xingu | Quibus: np |
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| 09:24.53 | coppercore | anyone home? |
| 09:25.04 | qrck | jep |
| 09:25.10 | coppercore | just out of curiousity |
| 09:25.16 | coppercore | i was looking through the ftp server |
| 09:25.19 | coppercore | i see 24cds |
| 09:25.21 | coppercore | and 3 dvds |
| 09:25.38 | coppercore | do these just contain the entire apt repository? |
| 09:25.55 | simonrvn | all of debian; just need 1, or the netinst |
| 09:26.00 | simonrvn | 1 cd |
| 09:26.17 | coppercore | right, i just use the netinst one |
| 09:26.25 | qrck | the entire archive of what you can get installed with apt is thrown in a pool.... |
| 09:26.28 | coppercore | just wondering what all the other cds were |
| 09:26.32 | coppercore | i mean 24... damn |
| 09:28.03 | sauvin | Well... I mean... it DOES contain a few python modules... |
| 09:28.11 | coppercore | o.O |
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| 09:28.21 | coppercore | heh |
| 09:28.24 | coppercore | businesscard iso |
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| 09:28.42 | coppercore | i take it just enough to start networking right? |
| 09:29.04 | simonrvn | networking, h/w detection, probably a couple other things |
| 09:29.21 | coppercore | multi-arch? |
| 09:29.33 | simonrvn | you can get away with doing it with 3 floppies ;) |
| 09:30.02 | coppercore | hehe |
| 09:30.08 | coppercore | i don't even use floppy drives anymore |
| 09:30.37 | coppercore | This image has a size of up to 40 MB. It is small enough to fit on business card-shaped CDs (available in differing sizes, e.g. 58×75 mm/2.3×3"). This image contains just the bare necessities to start a Debian installation, i.e. those parts of the installer which are necessary to configure networking and download the rest of the installation system. |
| 09:30.41 | coppercore | barebones indeed |
| 09:30.47 | simonrvn | no, the multi-arch cds are something else, there is one, i think ppc, x86, and amd64 |
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| 09:32.10 | sauvin | the DVD is like that, I think. |
| 09:32.29 | simonrvn | i've done installs from the previous os's partition, (called hd-media), booting from a large ramdisk, initrd and kernel |
| 09:32.33 | sauvin | As for floppies, I haven't even SEEN one recently. |
| 09:32.38 | simonrvn | no, the dvd has a lot more |
| 09:32.47 | simonrvn | s |
| 09:33.27 | coppercore | Multiarch is the term being used to refer to the capability of a system to run applications of multiple different binary targets on the same system. |
| 09:33.29 | coppercore | wow |
| 09:33.48 | simonrvn | normally, yeh |
| 09:34.33 | simonrvn | that cd i mentioned is just capable of booting any of those, and installing for that arch |
| 09:35.11 | DeZ_666 | Can someone tell me how to get a desktop environment from a command-line? :| |
| 09:35.25 | coppercore | startx ? |
| 09:35.45 | DeZ_666 | I dont have a desktop environment --' |
| 09:35.54 | Appiah | apt-get install ? |
| 09:35.58 | simonrvn | install it then |
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| 09:37.02 | coppercore | apt-get install (x system of your choice, problably x11) |
| 09:37.08 | coppercore | er *xorg |
| 09:37.08 | dutchfish | can i compile a kernel with debian and crasm for 6803? i am looking at kernel 2.0 for this |
| 09:37.14 | simonrvn | aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment xorg |
| 09:37.17 | DeZ_666 | coppercore: may i pm you |
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| 09:37.34 | simonrvn | (for instance) |
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| 09:38.18 | DeZ_666 | coppercore: you there? |
| 09:39.04 | DeZ_666 | simonrvn: may i pm you..? :) |
| 09:39.19 | coppercore | DeZ_666: just google installing xorg debian |
| 09:39.20 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:39.40 | simonrvn | thanks for asking though, much appreciated |
| 09:39.50 | coppercore | indeed |
| 09:40.04 | DeZ_666 | --' |
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| 09:41.26 | DeZ_666 | Whats the difference between stuff like xorg,xvesa, and gnome/kde? |
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| 09:41.58 | coppercore | xorg is the window system itself |
| 09:42.12 | coppercore | gnome/kde is the desktop enviroment |
| 09:42.21 | coppercore | without gnome/kde x is kind of bleh |
| 09:42.32 | DeZ_666 | So..ill need xorg first right? :) |
| 09:42.40 | simonrvn | not really ;) |
| 09:42.49 | simonrvn | DeZ_666: simonrvn> aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment xorg |
| 09:42.50 | DeZ_666 | why wont i need xorg? |
| 09:43.03 | DeZ_666 | That will install both at once? |
| 09:43.13 | simonrvn | the not really was WRT coppercore's comment about it being bleh |
| 09:43.48 | sauvin | what's the diff between kde and kdm? |
| 09:43.54 | simonrvn | which reminds me, i need to restart this x session, new s/w |
| 09:44.00 | coppercore | k desktop enviroment? |
| 09:44.03 | simonrvn | kdm is kde's display manager |
| 09:44.12 | coppercore | ah |
| 09:44.25 | DeZ_666 | hmm..its saying it cant resolve the mirror... :( |
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| 09:44.32 | sauvin | I'm running kde, but kdm isn't the default manager, according to some damn utility or other. |
| 09:44.51 | suppaman | hi |
| 09:45.05 | suppaman | my 100mbit connection is running somehow slow |
| 09:45.07 | DeZ_666 | how do i check if my ethernet adapter is configured..? |
| 09:45.17 | suppaman | DeZ_666: do you know its name ? |
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| 09:45.24 | DeZ_666 | i would assume eth0 |
| 09:45.31 | suppaman | DeZ_666: I meant the chipset |
| 09:45.40 | suppaman | DeZ_666: do you have just one NIC ? |
| 09:45.40 | DeZ_666 | nForce 410 |
| 09:45.42 | DeZ_666 | Yes |
| 09:45.56 | suppaman | DeZ_666: ifconfig then |
| 09:46.16 | suppaman | if by "configured" you mean ip configuration |
| 09:46.19 | DeZ_666 | And..what should i see? |
| 09:46.31 | suppaman | inet address mainly |
| 09:46.45 | DeZ_666 | I see loopback, but thats it |
| 09:46.48 | DeZ_666 | :( |
| 09:47.30 | suppaman | so you don't have the proper driver installed probably |
| 09:47.34 | suppaman | dmesg | grep eth |
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| 09:47.41 | suppaman | dmesg | grep -i nvidia |
| 09:47.46 | DeZ_666 | It has it |
| 09:47.52 | suppaman | what has what? |
| 09:48.01 | wols_ | !tell DeZ_666 about interfaces |
| 09:48.14 | DeZ_666 | i used dmesg | grep eth and it listed a driver and eth0 |
| 09:48.15 | wols_ | DeZ_666: do you use dhcp or static ips? |
| 09:48.18 | massctrl | Hi all, is here a way to do a vhost based bandwidth throttling, max connections, .. to an apache server using iptables? |
| 09:48.19 | DeZ_666 | static |
| 09:48.27 | wols_ | then you need to edit your interfaces |
| 09:48.44 | DeZ_666 | Ok |
| 09:48.59 | suppaman | wols_: but he said ifconfig didn't ever showed eth0 |
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| 09:50.26 | DeZ_666 | Hmm |
| 09:50.33 | DeZ_666 | !tell DeZ_666 about interfaces |
| 09:50.36 | wols_ | it won't when it's not configured. however ifconfig -a will |
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| 09:51.08 | suppaman | wols_: I was assuming it did |
| 09:51.32 | dutchfish | massctrl, what kind of vhost? |
| 09:51.57 | DeZ_666 | wols_: its set for dhcp in the config file |
| 09:52.17 | DeZ_666 | how do i get it assigned an IP? |
| 09:52.35 | massctrl | an apache based one. so basically find a way to let iptables find out that the client is requesting http://www.domain.com and throttle the bandwidth according to that. |
| 09:52.36 | simonrvn | so nice to have this multi-tty emacs :) |
| 09:52.39 | DeZ_666 | im fine with dhcp until i get a desktop environment |
| 09:52.41 | wols_ | by readint eh factoid dpkg just told you |
| 09:52.42 | xingu | !info libapache2-mod-cband |
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| 09:53.06 | vluther | i'm trying to install mysql-5.1 from experimental.. I have the /etc/apt/sources.list to be: |
| 09:53.07 | vluther | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 09:53.07 | vluther | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ experimental main |
| 09:53.08 | massctrl | xingu yeah that's completely defunct |
| 09:53.12 | dutchfish | massctrl, normally you do that within apache, so again: what kind of vhost? |
| 09:53.17 | wols_ | and when you don't have a DHCP server on the lan it won't work with dhcp |
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| 09:53.33 | DeZ_666 | I have a dhcp server that works perfectly OK |
| 09:53.48 | wols_ | if it did, you'd have an IP |
| 09:53.56 | vluther | but when i do apt-get install mysql-server-5.1 I get an error about broken dependencies and how 5.0.45 will be installed but 5.1.22 is needed |
| 09:54.01 | DeZ_666 | It works for my other machines? |
| 09:54.19 | vluther | mysql-server-5.1: Depends: mysql-client-5.1 (>= 5.1.22rc-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:54.23 | wols_ | DeZ_666: ifconfig -a |
| 09:54.29 | vluther | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.32 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-cband: (An Apache 2 module for bandwidth limiting the webserver), section net, is optional. Version: 0.9.7.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 09:54.44 | massctrl | dutchfish, i don't understand your question, an apache vhost, like www.domain.com which will do a reverse caching request to a backend server ... |
| 09:54.46 | DeZ_666 | It says 'BROADCAST MULTICAST' ? |
| 09:55.11 | wols_ | it says more than that |
| 09:55.11 | dutchfish | massctrl, xen, kvm, qemu, what? |
| 09:55.29 | DeZ_666 | It doesn't show a line for IP's, and thats what i need to see :P |
| 09:55.36 | Schalken | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html says that "85 packages are going in testing today". does that mean that in 24 hours I am going to have 85 updates? |
| 09:55.51 | Schalken | (i am on testing) |
| 09:55.53 | vluther | if tests, pass |
| 09:56.12 | wols_ | Schalken: no,since you won't have all those packages installed |
| 09:56.20 | massctrl | dutchfish: I think you understood me wrong: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ i'm not using any OS virtualization |
| 09:56.37 | Schalken | wols_: oh yeah. i didnt consider that :P but if i did have them installed, would they be upgradable? |
| 09:57.07 | dutchfish | massctrl, ok you can do that within apache like child-procs connectionrate, peristancy etc |
| 09:57.22 | Schalken | :O gnome is getting updated to 2.20 ( http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome-desktop ) whoo! |
| 09:57.43 | dutchfish | massctrl, accept for bandwidth throtling, but i wont recommend it on a heavy loaded server |
| 09:57.51 | vluther | so no one has installed mysql 5.1 here? |
| 09:58.08 | massctrl | dutchfish: hmyeah there's a promising module called mod_cband, but it doens't work with reverse caching, and one can't get in touch with the developer |
| 09:58.15 | Guerin | !tell vluther about ask |
| 09:58.18 | wols_ | vluther: since you don't know about experimental, why do you want to use it? |
| 09:58.27 | stew | vluther: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 09:58.33 | dutchfish | massctrl, apache2 is very capable of doing that without that package |
| 09:58.46 | vluther | wols: because 1. I'm trying out debian, 2. I want to experiment with the data partitioning for 5.1 |
| 09:58.51 | massctrl | dutchfish: really? using what ? |
| 09:59.04 | vluther | and thanks stew |
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| 09:59.38 | DeZ_666 | wols_: I set /etc/networking/interfaces to make eht0 use a static IP |
| 09:59.48 | DeZ_666 | and it still cant resolve that domain |
| 09:59.48 | dutchfish | massctrl, i you look carefully and understand its config, you will find out that they can be chained in such away to achive the same as you want, you have to delve into it, really |
| 10:00.07 | suppaman | anyone on my slow ethernet connection ? It's between a Debian and Tiger, rt2x00 on debian, crosscable. |
| 10:00.09 | zack23 | how do I fork a perl script and pipe all output (including errors) to a file? Just perl file.pl > output.txt & ? I don't think this captures errors - like database connection errors which normally get outputed on command line |
| 10:00.17 | wols_ | DeZ_666: resolver is something else |
| 10:00.21 | suppaman | by slow I mean 3 MB/s using ftp |
| 10:00.30 | DeZ_666 | how do i know if i have a internet connection :( |
| 10:00.44 | Guerin | zack23: 2>&1 |
| 10:00.47 | suppaman | DeZ_666: ping an ip address that's on internet |
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| 10:01.04 | wols_ | suppaman: rt2x00 is a wlan chip(driver. how can it have a crossover cable? |
| 10:01.08 | dutchfish | massctrl, there are also tools to monitor apache2 and automatically kill childs when load goes above a certain treshold, so to prevent ddos effects |
| 10:01.11 | suppaman | wols_: lol sorry |
| 10:01.20 | suppaman | wols_: you're right that's the pci wifi card |
| 10:01.26 | DeZ_666 | It says 'connect: Network is unreachable' |
| 10:01.26 | wols_ | also 3MB/s is fine for wlan |
| 10:01.32 | suppaman | it's a Realtek (pretty common) |
| 10:01.32 | zack23 | Guerin: so perl file.pl > output.txt 2>&1 ? |
| 10:01.35 | suppaman | no it's eth |
| 10:01.40 | wols_ | DeZ_666: for the last time, ifconfig -a |
| 10:01.41 | Guerin | zack23: give it a crack |
| 10:01.42 | vluther | ok that url is no help really.. all i want is apt to solve the dependency of getting the other crap it's complaining about. |
| 10:01.49 | massctrl | dutchfish: no you can't, apache can't handle natively vhost (bandwidth throttling, maximum amount of connection, and bandwidth quota's) |
| 10:01.50 | grub | DeZ_666, do you have the routes configured properly? |
| 10:02.04 | suppaman | wols_: well 3Mbit over my 10mbit wifi card would be great :-) |
| 10:02.08 | liable | thats usually the cause of that error |
| 10:02.16 | DeZ_666 | Hmm good question to ask |
| 10:02.19 | dutchfish | massctrl, not bandwidth throtling but for the rest yes it can |
| 10:02.27 | wols_ | suppaman: learn the difference between raw data rate and actual data rate on wlan |
| 10:02.30 | DeZ_666 | do i need to reboot after editing /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 10:02.37 | suppaman | eth0: VIA Rhine III at 0x1e800, |
| 10:03.23 | suppaman | wols_: that doesn't really matter as 802.11b could not reach 3Mbyte/s anyway, could it ? |
| 10:03.36 | liable | DeZ_666: no, you can use its init script, or just ifup/down |
| 10:03.44 | dutchfish | massctrl, the penalty for a separate solution (iptables contrack netfilter whatever) is to high on a busy webserver, so thats not what i would do |
| 10:03.53 | wols_ | suppaman: no. bur rt2x00 is not a 802.11b device afaik |
| 10:03.55 | suppaman | but I'm asking about the ethernet connection with cross cable, is there something I should tune ? |
| 10:04.11 | suppaman | wols_: I already told you I was wrong, you didn't get those lines ? |
| 10:04.17 | suppaman | didn't you* |
| 10:04.33 | wols_ | I did,. but then you went on about 802.11b |
| 10:04.53 | DeZ_666 | Omfg |
| 10:04.55 | suppaman | because, _after_ I pointed out I was wrong, you went on about the data rate on wlan |
| 10:05.06 | DeZ_666 | For some reason ifconifg -a keeps showing new eth's |
| 10:05.31 | massctrl | dutchfish: if you try to do this with max amount of child processes & MaxRequestsPerChild etc,.. that's server wide not per vhost |
| 10:05.32 | suppaman | wols_: but this is a pointless discusion, it's a VIA Rhine III chipset, 100mbit, connected with an ibook on a crossed cable |
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| 10:07.11 | massctrl | dutchfish: and anyhow that's to tweak the performance of your server, not to handle customer based resource throttling |
| 10:07.15 | DeZ_666 | wols_: why do new eth's keep appearing on the output of ifconfig -a? |
| 10:07.56 | wols_ | since you think we are psychic apparently, I let you divine the answer on your own. I'm sure you will find it |
| 10:08.09 | dutchfish | massctrl, if that is what you need, then you should start thinking virtual server, you simply dont want to sacrify costly cycles for throtling and filtering |
| 10:08.37 | DeZ_666 | wols_: i never assumed you were psychic..what do you need to know to help me, if you are willing? |
| 10:08.59 | massctrl | dutchfish: a virtualized os per customer ? yeah right |
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| 10:09.17 | dutchfish | massctrl, depends on the load, but yes |
| 10:10.04 | massctrl | dutchfish: I handle a few hundred domains/customers on 1 box, ... the Infrastructure and maintenance I would need to have all that in vm's ?... |
| 10:10.10 | dutchfish | massctrl, most of the time only a few customers would produce such a load, the rest will happely live within 1 virtual server setup |
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| 10:10.52 | dutchfish | massctrl, a second instance of apache2 aybe, another possibility? |
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| 10:12.11 | massctrl | dutchfish: hmm even that would consume too many resources, .. I'm afraid I will need a commercial solution. |
| 10:12.15 | reber | hi all. Is there an easy place to put some scripts to run at boot time on debian ? |
| 10:12.17 | dutchfish | massctrl, i have walked that pad before, bandwidth throthling cost more in cycles then it will save you in the end, at least with all the security in place |
| 10:12.39 | zack23 | Guerin: How do I make that 2>&1 background? Works good with the outputting but doesnt go in background... |
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| 10:13.02 | reber | (and avoid the update-rc stuff) |
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| 10:13.42 | dutchfish | massctrl, i went by xen, and actually it saves me time instead of cost me extra, i have all the benifits to tweak the resources as i like without the cost of loosing cycles on throtling, and much higher security level |
| 10:14.32 | dutchfish | massctrl, also i can customize on my clients demand whatever he wishes for |
| 10:14.46 | wols_ | !tell reber abour rc.local |
| 10:14.58 | sauvin | !tell sauvin about rc.local |
| 10:15.06 | massctrl | dutchfish: yeah I run xen myself but it's not the solution to my problem |
| 10:15.10 | dutchfish | massctrl, the overhead of xen is much much less then any other solution |
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| 10:15.46 | sauvin | Can a single core computer use xen? |
| 10:15.50 | dutchfish | massctrl, if you insist you can go by iptables and conntrack |
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| 10:16.24 | dutchfish | massctrl, it rather spartan to maintain |
| 10:16.35 | reber | thanks |
| 10:16.44 | DeZ_666 | man fsck it |
| 10:17.05 | massctrl | dutchfish: hm i will look at it, ... but that doesn't sound good, feels like I need a commercial solution like packeteer or something like that |
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| 10:18.05 | dutchfish | massctrl, even those cost you cpu cycles ... alot .... |
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| 10:18.50 | massctrl | dutchfish: yeah but they are natively handled by the box itself, ... i've seen them working and they're top notch |
| 10:19.39 | dutchfish | massctrl, well, xen is opensource and not cpu hungry and easy to maintain and cost ..... ah well ... its your call |
| 10:23.56 | dutchfish | sauvin, it can but does it benifit you? |
| 10:24.28 | sauvin | I don't know. Never really thought about it, but as I understand it, it would allow me to run two or more operating systems simultaneously. |
| 10:24.54 | sauvin | That *might* be attractive if I should want to run (for example) debian and freebsd at the same time. |
| 10:24.58 | dutchfish | sauvin, yup |
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| 10:25.14 | suppaman | wols_: psychic ? "relating or denoting faculties or phenomena that are apparently inexplicable" ? |
| 10:25.37 | dutchfish | sauvin, for a desktop you should also delve in qemu (to tryout distros) |
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| 10:26.47 | sauvin | I don't have the flags necessary to run kqemu. |
| 10:26.49 | dutchfish | sauvin, specially kvm and qemu can do nice things in future debian |
| 10:27.23 | dutchfish | sauvin, to bad, but you can still experiment with it without it |
| 10:27.44 | sauvin | qemu itself is a gas for running legacy DOS. |
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| 10:28.07 | dutchfish | sauvin, xen doesnt need it either but you are limited to non-M$ OSes |
| 10:28.26 | sauvin | so I understood. Windows won't run under xen without modification. |
| 10:28.47 | dutchfish | sauvin, yes, and thats not alowed |
| 10:29.14 | sauvin | Ask me if I care, though. :D |
| 10:29.19 | dutchfish | sauvin, unless your CPU has VT |
| 10:29.32 | sauvin | I don't think so... where are those flags stored again...? |
| 10:29.42 | suppaman | wols_: listen I know that dealing with public or being on a high traffic channel like this stresses nerves, but I really think you should change your attitude |
| 10:30.04 | suppaman | about the rest I'll find the answer on my own, that's not a problem |
| 10:30.11 | dutchfish | sauvin, cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 10:30.41 | dutchfish | sauvin, hold on |
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| 10:30.57 | sauvin | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow up pni lahf_lm ts fid vid ttp tm stc |
| 10:31.11 | sauvin | You were right. :D |
| 10:31.36 | wols_ | suppaman: when I tell someone a factoid 3 times on a single day and he still doesn't know that we cannot see what he sees at his machine, then it's useless |
| 10:32.10 | dutchfish | sauvin, http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors |
| 10:32.10 | dalias | !fire |
| 10:32.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 10:32.18 | dalias | wols_, i think that applies here |
| 10:32.45 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 10:32.45 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 10:33.02 | dalias | no, not fish, fire |
| 10:33.10 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 10:33.22 | dalias | when someone is that stupid, giving them an answer is a waste of time |
| 10:33.30 | dalias | better to flame them to death until they just go away |
| 10:33.35 | sauvin | Gah, mine's a Turion 64 ML-34. |
| 10:33.38 | dalias | :) |
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| 10:34.08 | sauvin | I guess VM is gonna hafta wait until my next puter. |
| 10:34.28 | wols_ | sauvin: no big use until there is I/O virtualization anyways |
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| 10:35.03 | sauvin | I've not needed it up until now. If I were serious about running another operating system, I could always install it in another partition or just get another computer. |
| 10:35.23 | dutchfish | wols_, you are right |
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| 10:35.37 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.39 | Trewas | don't some of the virtualization systems work without hardware support (vmware comes to mind)? |
| 10:35.55 | hikenboot | greetings all I used the following on a usb stick parted /dev/sda "mklabel msdos mkpart primary 0.0 25.0 mkpart primary 25.0 -0 set 1 boot on" fdisk -l tells me Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?) phys=(0, 1, 1) logical=(0, 1, 2) what does this mean |
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| 10:36.06 | wols_ | Trewas: yes |
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| 10:36.36 | hikenboot | Trewas yes they do vt enable or pacifica enabled hardware are not necessary |
| 10:36.42 | wols_ | hikenboot: why did you partiotn with those tools? |
| 10:36.43 | hikenboot | for either xen or vmware |
| 10:36.52 | dutchfish | wols_, Trewas but at a cost ;) (and i dont mean money) |
| 10:37.12 | hikenboot | wols_ I am following a howto on setting up a crypt loop |
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| 10:37.43 | wols_ | your partitiontable is inconsistent with itself basically |
| 10:37.43 | hikenboot | I want to be able to script it |
| 10:38.19 | hikenboot | is it because the usb stick has a hidden partition made by the manufacturer |
| 10:38.26 | morteng | please how do I set $JAVA_HOME under debian? is it .bashrc ? |
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| 10:39.56 | suppaman | wols_: are you referring to me with the "3 times factoid" ? |
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| 10:40.07 | hikenboot | when i boot the usb stick on a windows box it shows me stuff on it...that mounts only in windows |
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| 10:43.20 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 10:43.27 | bintut | how will i know if an ip address is a spoof one? |
| 10:43.40 | bintut | running iptstate on my firewall tells me that an ip address inside my lan is connecting to the internet but i don't know who that is and pinging that ip doesn't give me any response. |
| 10:44.20 | bintut | anyone can enlighten me about this? |
| 10:45.05 | suppaman | bintut: define "a spoof ip address" |
| 10:46.33 | xingu | bintut: vista tends to blackhole icmp echo-request |
| 10:46.43 | bintut | suppaman: a machine that uses an ip address that is not part of a network address where it belongs? |
| 10:46.46 | xingu | configuration depending, of course |
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| 10:47.41 | stew | bintut: my wild guess would be that it is your cable modem making a dhcp request. can you tell us anything more? like what ip was trying to connect ot what port on what ip? |
| 10:48.19 | bintut | i only have 2 machines connecting to my firewall/gateway and i don't know where the 3rd ip address came from |
| 10:48.26 | suppaman | bintut: you could tcpdump the interface with numeric address and use a regexp to match ip out of your network address |
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| 10:49.25 | bintut | my firewall/gateway also act as an access point.. my lan is actually a wireless one |
| 10:49.42 | stew | bintut: what exactly does your firewall tell you? |
| 10:50.04 | bintut | i only have 2 machines connecting to this access point/firewall/gateway |
| 10:50.38 | suppaman | bintut: so when your firewall says an ip address is connecting to internet couldn't that be one of your 2 machines ? |
| 10:50.39 | petemc | i locked an intruder out of my wireless one day, then spent a half hour a week later wondering why the wii couldnt connect.. |
| 10:50.57 | bintut | stew: its not there already when i just tried to run iptstate |
| 10:51.07 | suppaman | petemc: what a coincidence.. |
| 10:51.14 | petemc | really |
| 10:51.31 | bintut | suppaman: not one of my machines. i am running only one machine as of the moment.. |
| 10:51.46 | suppaman | bintut: the question still applies |
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| 10:52.03 | suppaman | 1 machines running, 1 ip address connecting to internet |
| 10:52.03 | samfreed | where are debian-kernel things discussed? |
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| 10:52.36 | bintut | suppaman: and i have 2 machines that was connected to the internet from my wlan that uses 2 different private ip addresses |
| 10:53.01 | stew | bintut: your firewall gave you some message which made you start asking questions in here, right? what was the exact message? |
| 10:53.04 | samfreed | where are debian-kernel things discussed? |
| 10:53.14 | stew | samfreed: #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org |
| 10:53.31 | stew | samfreed: but if it is a support question, this is the right place |
| 10:54.10 | samfreed | stew::thanks |
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| 10:55.26 | bintut | stew: i got a tcpdump file here.. i'll upload it on my web server.. but its big, around 80mb |
| 10:55.52 | suppaman | bintut: that's a bit too big indeed |
| 10:56.25 | bintut | yeah |
| 10:56.38 | marcin | What's is wrong - I compiled a kernel and after reboot I've kernel panic with tkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly message. |
| 10:56.46 | bintut | i open my capture file using wireshark here. |
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| 10:58.13 | stew | bintut: are you not just able to say "this ip was trying to connect to this ip on this port"? |
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| 11:00.41 | bintut | stew: my wlan network is 192.168.101.0/24, my laptop that i'm currently using is 192.168.101.101, the 2nd machine that is currently off is using an ip address of 192.168.101.106 and the stranger ip is 192.168.101.105. this 192.168.101.105 ip address was most connecting to at a tcp port 80 |
| 11:01.39 | suppaman | bintut: so you have your answer, the ip address is .105 |
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| 11:03.12 | bintut | suppaman: yeah. but my question was how will i know if the ip address is a spoof one? i want to know its real identity, where it came from.. |
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| 11:03.38 | wols_ | bintut: what kind of WLAN protection do you use? WPA? WEP? nothing? |
| 11:04.06 | suppaman | bintut: to me the question hasn't got a sense.. |
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| 11:04.38 | wols_ | bintut: most likely somene h4x0red your AP and was surfing with your connection |
| 11:04.52 | stew | bintut: its not a spoofed address, it is a real ip address |
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| 11:05.40 | suppaman | an ip address is an ip address, period |
| 11:05.51 | xingu | hah |
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| 11:06.01 | bintut | wols_: i must admit, i don't have any encryption BUT i restrict on my firewall to accept only connections or even forward connections from any ip address from my 192.168.101.0/24 EXCEPT for 192.168.101.101 and 192.168.101.106.. and 192.168.101.105 should not be able to connect to the internet although it can connect to my wlan.. |
| 11:06.04 | xingu | some ip addresses have magic properties |
| 11:06.12 | xingu | like 0/32 and 127/8 |
| 11:06.28 | xingu | and 224/12 for that matter |
| 11:06.58 | wols_ | bintut: enable mac filtering at least |
| 11:07.06 | suppaman | aren't them networks address representation? |
| 11:07.16 | xingu | s/12/4/ |
| 11:07.18 | suppaman | rather than an ip address ? |
| 11:07.39 | wols_ | and they they didn't just try port 80 but actually succeed then your firewall has holes |
| 11:07.40 | suppaman | ipv4 address is a 32bit number, and that's it afaik |
| 11:07.55 | xingu | pick any ip address in those ranges, use it, and you'll discover the magic of its property |
| 11:08.10 | xingu | and no, the top couple of bits in that word still matter |
| 11:09.15 | suppaman | still they are ranges of address and not ip address |
| 11:09.31 | suppaman | same difference between items and a set of items |
| 11:09.33 | xingu | I'm not going to ennumerate 224/4 for you. :) |
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| 11:09.44 | dutchfish | !ipcalc |
| 11:10.15 | stew | i assume that by spoofed address he means a martian |
| 11:10.18 | xingu | if you want to, fill your boots; but I prefer the lazy, sloppy form, of abusing cidr notation as shorthand for "any member of this set" |
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| 11:11.53 | suppaman | 224/24 is multicast, isn't it ? |
| 11:12.31 | suppaman | stew: a MARSv4 address ? |
| 11:12.46 | xingu | suppaman: 224/4, yes. |
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| 11:14.55 | zack23 | how do I see the contents of a line number in a file without opening it in an editor (over 500mb text file) - any quick ways? |
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| 11:17.01 | bintut | what do you suggests? |
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| 11:17.04 | xingu | zack23: sed -ne 'n p' </path/to/file |
| 11:17.14 | xingu | zack23: where n is your line # |
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| 11:17.31 | zack23 | thank you |
| 11:17.34 | stew | s/ne/n/;s/<// |
| 11:17.43 | xingu | zack23: a little inefficient, it'll probably keep reading to the end of the file |
| 11:18.07 | stew | sed -n 'n p;q' filename ; would not read to the end of the file |
| 11:18.25 | stew | err |
| 11:18.33 | stew | sed -n 'n {p;q}' filename ; would not read to the end of the file |
| 11:19.17 | xingu | stew: I've been bitten by too many platforms where the darling maintainer of sed has built it against a 32bit libc to be that fast and loose. :) |
| 11:19.50 | dutchfish | zack23, cat foo.text | head -[linenumber] | tail -1 |
| 11:20.32 | stew | xingu: and none of those platforms were debian |
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| 11:20.57 | stew | wait, 32 bit libc? isn't that every version of debian other than ia64 and amd64? |
| 11:21.51 | xingu | stew: debian's had its fair share of largefile problems over the years too |
| 11:22.26 | xingu | stew: yes, typically vendors have implemented largefile support in their _current_ libc, which is rarely the compatibility 32bit one. |
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| 11:22.59 | webczat | hi |
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| 11:23.43 | johnseb | hi all |
| 11:23.59 | humbolto | I have read PAE does not make sense on sysems with less than 4GB RAM for the obvious reasons and as it slows down things with an additional layer of abstraction. Is that right? |
| 11:24.01 | johnseb | i'm trying to stop my computer from going to sleep |
| 11:24.21 | johnseb | after 1/2 hour the screen turns blank |
| 11:24.45 | johnseb | i have followed all these instructions: http://wiki.dataflow.ws/FreeExperiments/LinuxDisableEnergySaving |
| 11:24.53 | johnseb | ... still does not work |
| 11:24.57 | johnseb | any idea? |
| 11:25.15 | johnseb | something has changed in the kernel maybe so options acpi are not supported? |
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| 11:25.23 | humbolto | Not the standard Xen hypervisor in Etch is the PAE hypervisor. Would I have to install the non-PAE HVM on my 2GB RAM system or would the PAE stuff simply not be used there automatically? |
| 11:25.29 | stew | johnseb: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
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| 11:27.11 | dutchfish | humbolto, why not use the vserver kernels inside dom-U's, they have even less overhead .. chears |
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| 11:28.01 | Usiu_ | Hi |
| 11:28.08 | Usiu_ | after installing new intel package |
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| 11:28.10 | adrakoa | hi |
| 11:28.15 | Usiu_ | fonts are not displayed correctly |
| 11:29.08 | Usiu_ | when I start desktop, fonts and icons are just multi colored dots |
| 11:29.14 | Usiu_ | any idea ? |
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| 11:29.24 | Usiu_ | runing compiz and fix that |
| 11:29.32 | Usiu_ | and switching back to metacity is still ok |
| 11:29.42 | Usiu_ | but restarting X doesnt help |
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| 11:31.13 | Eulex | Usiu_, testing/unstable? |
| 11:31.28 | Usiu_ | sid |
| 11:31.40 | Eulex | !btssmite Usiu_ |
| 11:31.59 | Usiu_ | Eulex, I use apt-listbugs |
| 11:32.02 | Eulex | and file a bug if there isn't one. |
| 11:32.32 | Usiu_ | Eulex, acctualy i filed bug about not working intel driver in march this year |
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| 11:32.58 | Usiu_ | Eulex, maintainers asked to try experimental it didnt work for a long time I even tried git |
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| 11:33.11 | Usiu_ | Eulex, I used old i815 driver |
| 11:33.25 | Usiu_ | Eulex, and had intel on hold |
| 11:33.25 | Eulex | Usiu_, is this bug related to that old bug? |
| 11:33.31 | Usiu_ | Eulex, partialy |
| 11:33.45 | Eulex | Usiu_, you just said that you upgraded to the new intel driver package and the bug started appearing. |
| 11:34.11 | Usiu_ | Eulex, today I realised that package is not on hold any more, and the bug disapeard I dont see black screen, everything fine in Xorg.log |
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| 11:34.41 | Usiu_ | Eulex, upgraded and now everything is slow, and when I start X I have to turn on compiz to fix fonts and icons as they are undreadable |
| 11:34.51 | Eulex | Usiu_, using intel or i815? in any case, a bug that appears with i815 is not necessarily related to a bug appearing with the intel driver |
| 11:35.05 | Usiu_ | Eulex, i815 works just fine |
| 11:35.09 | Usiu_ | Eulex, but is old |
| 11:35.24 | Eulex | Usiu_, you had the same issue in the past? |
| 11:35.29 | Usiu_ | Eulex, new driver intel which I guess was uploaded esterday |
| 11:35.43 | Usiu_ | Eulex, fixes my old bug black screen |
| 11:35.55 | Usiu_ | Eulex, but everything is slower and I get this icon, fonts issue |
| 11:36.05 | Eulex | Usiu_, ok, that issue fixed, now there's a new issue. file a bug about it. |
| 11:36.54 | Usiu_ | Eulex, I'll try to switch back to old i815 driver.. which was rebuilded for me by one of maintainers to use new 2.x xorg API |
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| 11:37.56 | Usiu_ | Eulex, I tried to boot and install ubuntu for workstation but it seems that they still use new intel driver which is buggy for my hardware so I get black screen and cant swtich to console |
| 11:38.44 | Usiu_ | Eulex, now debian fixed this, however things are slow.. I'll try if this icon, fonts is really driver related by switching back to i815 ok? |
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| 11:38.57 | Eulex | Usiu_, ok |
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| 11:39.10 | Eulex | Usiu_, might even change to vesa then |
| 11:39.33 | Usiu_ | Eulex, hm.. vesa was slow.. |
| 11:39.49 | Usiu_ | I have direct rendering: Yes |
| 11:39.52 | Usiu_ | with new intel driver |
| 11:40.20 | Eulex | should work. but be totally unaccelerated. but usable, as long as you don't try to use composite or opengl. |
| 11:40.47 | Usiu_ | Eulex, well launching compiz fixes the icons and fonts |
| 11:40.55 | Usiu_ | I was just curious and realised that |
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| 11:41.13 | Eulex | I'd say that it's probably a driver issue then |
| 11:41.22 | morteng | please how do i set JAVA_HOME ? I tried this http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx but echo $JAVA_HOME is empty, I have logged out and in, I have rebooted, no improvement. |
| 11:41.40 | Usiu_ | Eulex, but 626.114 FPS by glgears is fine for my card |
| 11:41.55 | Usiu_ | Eulex, while windows on desktop are slow.. |
| 11:42.02 | Usiu_ | even scrolling |
| 11:42.43 | Eulex | morteng, are you on etch or newer? |
| 11:43.08 | morteng | I have etch but I could have misconfigured it with automatix. |
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| 11:43.28 | morteng | java programs compiles and runs. |
| 11:44.22 | morteng | I can pastebin the content of /etc/profile |
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| 11:44.55 | Eulex | morteng, (1) uninstall that jre/jdk you installed (2) apt-get install sun-java5-jre |
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| 11:45.14 | Eulex | morteng, and automatix is broken by design, you should avoid it if possible§. |
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| 11:47.44 | Daiden | hey hey |
| 11:48.10 | amee2k | does debian support installation on a DiskOnChip flash device? |
| 11:48.47 | Eulex | amee2k, if linux supports it, it should. |
| 11:49.34 | amee2k | well, that is the question. there are drivers for it, but they are non-free afaik |
| 11:50.06 | amee2k | so i'm wondering if the stock installation isos support it. |
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| 11:50.25 | Eulex | the installers do not include non-free software |
| 11:50.31 | A-L-A-R-M | hello where can i find a good guide of how to install ati drivers ? |
| 11:50.56 | Eulex | !fglrx |
| 11:50.57 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
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| 11:51.19 | Eulex | hmm, that about xorg 7.1 is outdated |
| 11:51.27 | Eulex | !tell A-L-A-R-M about fglrx one-liner |
| 11:51.32 | A-L-A-R-M | thank you |
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| 11:51.59 | amee2k | hm... :/ |
| 11:52.40 | sigius | Hi, question. In gentoo i am used to doing '/etc/init.d/someservice status'. What would be the equivalent in debian ? |
| 11:53.32 | A-L-A-R-M | so. the drivers from the repository dont work under testing with new xorg ? |
| 11:53.48 | A-L-A-R-M | seems i was slow in asking . Eulex you got me :) |
| 11:53.56 | A-L-A-R-M | so the drivers are "ok" also with new xorg |
| 11:54.12 | Eulex | yes. at least with new enough drivers. |
| 11:54.36 | Eulex | but the ones in testing should be new enough for the xorg in testing. |
| 11:54.38 | A-L-A-R-M | allright, i will try it. thank you |
| 11:56.22 | A-L-A-R-M | one more question. is there a way when i plug in usb flash or external usb drives not to need always to do a pmount /dev/<devicename> ? |
| 11:56.47 | A-L-A-R-M | when pluging it in i cannot enter the drive / flash unless i do a pmount on the device |
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| 12:01.37 | linio | marcin^^: use kernel-package |
| 12:02.30 | marcin^^ | linio: what for? |
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| 12:07.05 | rush1 | How can I make my arp table static? |
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| 12:07.49 | Thlayli | hi, i'm installing a debian etch atm and have little to no experience with this distro. first thing i want to do is updating the sources.list. can someone please provide me with an up to date version of this file? |
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| 12:08.07 | Thlayli | i had no luck googling so far :( |
| 12:08.40 | sigius | In debian how can I tell whether a particular service is running ? |
| 12:08.45 | nkuttler | Thlayli: why update? /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 12:08.58 | Thlayli | nkuttler: thanks! |
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| 12:12.07 | zrin | I have an etch box as router and gateway. On WinXP nodes appear single host routing entries like "80.109.82.99 255.255.255.255 192.168.205.1 192.168.205.131 20". What causes these entries? Can this mechanism be used to push distinct routes to peer nodes, e.g. in a VPN setup? |
| 12:12.21 | zrin | rush1: man arp |
| 12:12.27 | rush1 | zrin: ok |
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| 12:13.56 | rush1 | zrin: and can it be done with iproute2 ? |
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| 12:14.58 | xingu | zrin: configuration dependant; pretty sure there's both a rip and an ospf implementation available for xp, and of course there's always directly connected routes from things like pppoe; finally, if the netmask is wide enough, it'll install routes learnt from arp; but with a weight of 20, I'd discount that, here. |
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| 12:15.14 | zrin | rush1: is "arp -s hostname hw_addr" what you're looking for? |
| 12:16.00 | xingu | zrin: you'd want to dig into ipconfig /all, route print; to firstly determine that the routes are not either directly connected, or, within directly connected subnets |
| 12:16.21 | rush1 | zrin: Yes I think. I want users not to be able to change their IP address |
| 12:16.23 | Orion_X11 | There is something wrong with my system, because as a normal user I can access any directory in the system! It was not so 2 days ago. How to make my system secure again? |
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| 12:16.53 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: like, which directory can you access that you shouldn't? |
| 12:16.54 | xingu | zrin: if you want to "push" routes, generally, you need a routing protocol that will allow this to happen; generally, vpn products push a /default/ route via the vpn encaps interface; some ipsec based ones like nortel contivity can push more complex topologies |
| 12:17.24 | Orion_X11 | nkuttler: root owner directories |
| 12:17.35 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: be specific |
| 12:17.48 | Orion_X11 | /usr/bin |
| 12:17.54 | xingu | zrin: if you want fluid routing, that allows for updates as distinct from link-up, you need to run a routing protocol; as I said, there's a rip implementation for xp, and I'm pretty sure the server variants have an ospf one hidden in the routing/remote access services component |
| 12:17.56 | Orion_X11 | 4example |
| 12:18.20 | zrin | xingu: yes ... the default route has metric 20 as well, so if I would be able to tell XP nodes to set distinct route (because the vpn server is not the gateway), then explicit client configuration would not be necessary |
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| 12:18.40 | Thlayli | nkuttler: dpkg sources.list won't work for me. don't i have to adjust it manually or something? |
| 12:18.44 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: well, you don't seem to know much about your filesystem yet. please don't touch the permissions |
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| 12:18.58 | xingu | zrin: look into your vpn server config, there's probably an option to set default via vpn tunnel at tunnel-up time. |
| 12:19.27 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: /msg dpkg fhs, have a look at what /usr/bin/ is |
| 12:19.35 | Orion_X11 | nkuttler: I now. But, I am referring to the whole system |
| 12:19.40 | nkuttler | Thlayli: what do you mean, doesn't work? |
| 12:20.12 | Thlayli | dpkg sources.list won't do anything but throw an error. i've been reading the man page and tried various things, yet it doesn't get me an up to date sources.list |
| 12:20.13 | zrin | xingu: setting the routes for vpn clients is not the problem, it is lan nodes on the server side that know nothing about the vpn tunnel |
| 12:20.20 | Orion_X11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.26 | nkuttler | Thlayli: type "/msg dpkg sources.list" in this window |
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| 12:20.30 | Thlayli | ah |
| 12:20.32 | Thlayli | ok |
| 12:20.35 | Thlayli | thanks |
| 12:20.59 | Thlayli | ok, i got it now :) |
| 12:21.07 | zrin | xingu: since the vpn server is not the default gateway for the lan, other lan nodes would need a route like 10.8.0.0/24 gw 192.168.206.2 |
| 12:21.16 | Orion_X11 | nkuttler: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 69632 2007-11-16 23:54 bin |
| 12:21.34 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: which is how it should be |
| 12:21.38 | xingu | zrin: *nod*; ok so all you really need to do, is configure that route on the hosts' default gateway |
| 12:21.54 | xingu | zrin: it will generate icmp redirects; and the hosts will learn and install routes as a result |
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| 12:22.00 | Orion_X11 | nkuttler: So I can't access it as a normal user |
| 12:22.05 | zrin | xingu: ok, I see |
| 12:22.19 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: well, you can read and execute stuff |
| 12:22.22 | xingu | zrin: unless you've crippled either of those two mechanisms that is ;) |
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| 12:22.49 | xingu | zrin: obviously a route generated as a result of icmp redirect will have a short lifetime and age-out rapidly |
| 12:22.57 | SpeedyG | hey, if I want to install some lenny package on etch, what should I do? and what should I dont? :D |
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| 12:23.17 | zrin | xingu: the default gateway is a simple d-link DI-604 doing PPTP, but I think it is possible to set routing on it |
| 12:23.26 | xingu | zrin: a better idea, is to fix your topology, and put the vpn concentrator on the other side of the gateway |
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| 12:23.54 | Orion_X11 | ls |
| 12:23.58 | xingu | zrin: heh, ok. :) |
| 12:24.02 | nkuttler | SpeedyG: which one and why? |
| 12:24.12 | SpeedyG | nkuttler: openttd :) |
| 12:24.20 | xingu | zrin: in that case just add a route 10.8/24 via 192.168.206.2 on the de-link |
| 12:24.34 | zrin | xingu: yes, I understand that |
| 12:24.39 | SpeedyG | nkuttler: because it's not in the etch repos :( |
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| 12:24.57 | xingu | zrin: it _should_ then start generating hosts for src=192.168.206/24 dst=10.8, to src, gateway=192.168.206.2 |
| 12:25.03 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:25.24 | xingu | zrin: unless its stack is as crippled as de-link's tend to be; in which case, throw it in the bin, and replace it with a c18xx-series :) |
| 12:25.42 | xingu | s/generating hosts/generating redirects/ |
| 12:25.45 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: kthx :) |
| 12:25.48 | zrin | xingu: what I still do not understand is what causes XP to add routes in my LAN with more straight forward topology, where an etch box acts as router/gateway |
| 12:25.54 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: or you could upgrade to lenny, with all the problems that come with it |
| 12:25.59 | xingu | zrin: icmp redirects I'm guessing. |
| 12:26.42 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: since my reinstall yesterday (because of a failed upgrade to lenny) I dont feel much for that option ;) |
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| 12:26.51 | zrin | xingu: here I have default route to 192.168.205.1, and XP is adding single host routes to the very same gateway |
| 12:26.52 | xingu | zrin: or, their netmask is wide enough that they can arp for the 10.8/24 dst directly (doubtful, you seem to have more clue than that required to configure for x/<8 netmasks) |
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| 12:27.34 | zrin | xingu: (I'm talking about two different LANs with different topologies) |
| 12:27.43 | xingu | zrin: to .131, or to .1? |
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| 12:28.43 | xingu | zrin: ok; in that case it's 98% certain that .1 is generating redirects; the reason it's doing so, is because (from .1's perspective) src=rx-interface and next-hop=rx-interface |
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| 12:29.10 | zrin | xingu: I have a very simple lan with etch as gateway (192.168.205.1). In this LAN I see automatic single host routes on XP nodes using the same gateway as the default route |
| 12:29.17 | xingu | zrin: so to get the delink to go thou and do likewise - just put that nailed up route for 10.8/24 via 206.2 |
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| 12:30.48 | zrin | xingu: I'll try that next - thank you |
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| 12:33.15 | flajann | Hey, I am migrating my dev environment from Fedora to Ubuntu/Debian, and the differences are driving me nuts. Is there an equivalent of the /etc/profile.d on Debian/Ubuntu? |
| 12:34.28 | Orion_X11 | How to paste a foo.png in http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 12:36.16 | Orion_X11 | How to paste an image file in http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 12:36.25 | SpeedyG | Orion_X11: you can put them on imageshack or somth :) |
| 12:38.23 | Orion_X11 | SpeedyG: I didn't get. Because there are only programming languages there |
| 12:38.43 | SpeedyG | Orion_X11: paste.debian.net is only for copy/pasting text-based information |
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| 12:39.02 | SpeedyG | Orion_X11: if you want to show an image of something, upload it to something like fileshack or imageshack or so :) |
| 12:39.10 | plundra | base64 the damn image and put it there \o/ :] |
| 12:39.11 | xand | !picpaste |
| 12:39.22 | xand | !paste |
| 12:39.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:39.32 | SpeedyG | look, picpaste.com :) |
| 12:39.32 | xand | there's the picture pastebin thign |
| 12:39.45 | SpeedyG | didnt know about that one :) thanks xand :) |
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| 12:42.37 | rrva_ | anyone got jrockit 7 on etch running? |
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| 12:43.02 | edistar | what is the easiest way to set a maximum size of a folder? |
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| 12:43.11 | rrva_ | edistar: quota |
| 12:43.30 | edistar | rrva_: does the standard debian kernel support it? |
| 12:43.40 | rrva_ | edistar: yes |
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| 12:44.01 | edistar | rrva_: thank you very much :) |
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| 12:44.04 | rrva_ | edistar: apt-get install quota |
| 12:45.20 | rrva_ | edistar: filesystem must be remounted with quota options (usrquota,grpquota,...) |
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| 12:47.56 | Orion_X11 | I have tried to fix yelp 4 many times. I haver reconfigured it, reinstalled it, etc. But, I haven't been lucky in fixating this program. I have thought of reinstalling the whole system because of yelp issue. Always that I need help it happens to me > http://picpaste.com/pics/Captura_da_tela.1195303452.png |
| 12:48.06 | Orion_X11 | I need help to fix it |
| 12:48.09 | Orion_X11 | Please |
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| 12:51.09 | Haris | Hello guys |
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| 12:51.26 | Haris | What's the point in having seperate packages for apache2-mpm-*? |
| 12:51.45 | Haris | ARe those for apache 2.0.x or will they also work with 2.2.x? |
| 12:52.06 | Haris | for eg, apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild |
| 12:52.21 | rrva | check package info with dpkg -s apache2-mpm-worker |
| 12:52.56 | Haris | How to check info for not installed packages? |
| 12:52.57 | dutchfish | Haris, some 2.1 some 2.2 |
| 12:53.14 | rrva | Haris: apt-cache show apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 12:55.26 | Haris | In Version: it says 2.2.3-4 and in description it says its for apcahe 2.1 |
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| 12:58.57 | Orion_X11 | Any help? Please |
| 12:59.05 | dutchfish | Haris, look in the depends |
| 12:59.22 | Orion_X11 | It seems that only with me it is happening :-( |
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| 13:00.16 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, prolly the solution is in the header, ie no assosiated style information |
| 13:00.55 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, xml xms |
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| 13:12.58 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 13:29.28 | rapi | hi all |
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| 13:30.12 | rapi | someone knows how consult webbanking with iceweasel? |
| 13:30.18 | AbsintheSyringe | why eclipse and azureus deps. wont go together? |
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| 13:34.27 | nkuttler | rapi: how about browsing to your bank's website? |
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| 13:36.14 | Ronin | good first start |
| 13:37.18 | rapi | nkuttler, in fact my bank doesn't know iceweasel as browser and deny access |
| 13:37.31 | Ronin | rapi: why? must be an error or message of some sort |
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| 13:38.05 | twiggz | we can access our checking and such online with iceweasel. |
| 13:38.06 | rapi | Ronin, https://webbanking.fortisbanque.lu/reb0101/WebBankingLogin/errorBrowser.jsp |
| 13:38.12 | twiggz | firefox and epiphany too. |
| 13:38.14 | nkuttler | rapi: uh... get some extension and sed the identifier to firefox, ie or something. tell your bank they suck |
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| 13:38.32 | rapi | nkuttler, :) you 're right |
| 13:38.45 | sigius | Hi question , In debian how can I tell whether a particular service is running ? |
| 13:38.48 | klikklak | has anyone had success running ati (pci) and nvidia (agp) cards? I need an tv-out and the cheapest card available would be an ati |
| 13:38.55 | klikklak | at the same time I mean |
| 13:39.07 | nkuttler | sigius: which one? |
| 13:39.14 | rapi | nkuttler, how can i change identifier? |
| 13:39.32 | sigius | nkuttler, any service under /etc/init.d |
| 13:39.49 | dutchfish | nkuttler, rapi it could also possible that you are behind a crapy proxy ;) |
| 13:39.53 | nkuttler | rapi: google user agent switcher or something |
| 13:40.29 | kriebel | sigius wants something like chkconfig or whatever it is in rhat |
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| 13:40.36 | sigius | in gentoo i am used to /etc/init.d/servicename status but with debian scripts this does not work |
| 13:40.43 | nkuttler | sigius: check your logs? |
| 13:41.35 | sigius | nkuttler, i can see how that works but its not really userfriendly (cf. said gentoo method) |
| 13:41.55 | rapi | dutchfish, good idea :) |
| 13:42.02 | rapi | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 13:45.57 | nkuttler | sigius: well, there's for example checkservice, never user it though. and many things in /etc/init.d/ aren't supposed to be "running". are you talking about network services? |
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| 13:46.52 | Orion_X11 | dutchfish: I have seen it. But, how to associate it? |
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| 13:47.16 | Orion_X11 | dutchfish: I have got all the dependencies in my system |
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| 13:47.26 | daniel_John | how can i make a copy of all the packages installed. so if need be i can easly redownload them |
| 13:47.34 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, i am not that good in xms but you can find out now |
| 13:47.50 | kriebel | daniel_John, dpkg -l |
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| 13:48.06 | Orion_X11 | dutchfish: Where? |
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| 13:49.28 | daniel_John | kriebel thanks. would i need to just save that as a text documnet and impor into synaptic |
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| 13:50.25 | daniel_John | ive tried using the synaptic download script but it wont generate a script |
| 13:50.40 | kriebel | I don't know about synaptic, but yeah. dpkg -l > packages |
| 13:51.11 | kriebel | that might not get you all of the package name, though |
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| 13:51.51 | nkuttler | daniel_John: try dpkg --get-selections | grep install > foo and later cat foo | dpkg --set-selections . untested |
| 13:52.19 | Orion_X11 | dutchfish: ??? |
| 13:52.21 | mikes_ | hello! i just created a custom kernel and mouse doesn't respond in kde. does anyone know what's the name of the module i need? |
| 13:52.54 | kriebel | usbhid most likely |
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| 13:54.00 | daniel_John | nkuttler, i dont understand those commands can you explin for me please |
| 13:54.34 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443927 |
| 13:54.47 | daniel_John | nkuttler, i understand the pipe but why the install |
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| 13:55.27 | dnanar | i'm trying to remove python-foomatic through aptitude (debian lenny): http://rafb.net/p/UKHVzq94.txt . Does anyone know how to solve this please ? |
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| 13:55.43 | kriebel | daniel_John, it removes from the list packages that dpkg knows about but aren't still installed |
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| 13:56.52 | rapi | nkuttler, it works with an user agent switcher.... Thanks a lot ! |
| 13:57.01 | yalu | anyone using apt-proxy? I do, and it takes like forever before apt* starts the actual downloading. so you do apt-get update eg and it will only start after a few minutes. after that everything works fine |
| 13:57.33 | kriebel | is there a question in there, yalu? |
| 13:57.37 | nkuttler | dnanar: fix the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-foomatic* |
| 13:58.06 | kriebel | yalu: I use apt-cacher and it does grind sometimes but it's never stalled for "minutes" |
| 13:58.21 | yalu | kriebel: yeah, sort of "does it sound recogniseable and if yes, what's there to do about it" :-) |
| 13:58.53 | kriebel | yalu: there's a program that runs apt-get update and apt-get upgrade with the download only option |
| 13:58.55 | kriebel | with cron |
| 13:59.18 | kriebel | so you wouldn't have to wait for it; it could run at night |
| 13:59.34 | kriebel | I think one or more of the gui apt systems can do that too |
| 13:59.39 | kriebel | like Ubuntu does |
| 13:59.43 | yalu | I unattended-upgrades I believe |
| 13:59.52 | daniel_John | nkuttler, why the foo ? |
| 14:00.09 | yalu | yes, in ubuntu you can configure that with adept-manager |
| 14:00.22 | nkuttler | !tell daniel_John about foo |
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| 14:00.28 | yalu | I don't think I heard about apt-cacher before |
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| 14:00.42 | kriebel | yalu: then maybe try apt-cacher. I think it's newer, and works a little differently |
| 14:00.49 | mrec | hi, does anyone know a way how to emulate suspending? |
| 14:01.09 | kriebel | also, it's only worth it if you have several machines or a slow connection |
| 14:01.20 | daniel_John | nkuttler, yeah i thought it was like a variable |
| 14:01.31 | mrec | suspending doesn't work on my notebook it just freezes or does nothing in case of hibernate to disk, although I have to fix up a driver but I'm not able to test it on my notebook so maybe passing it forward to a VM which supports it would be an option |
| 14:01.42 | yalu | apt-proxy has its problems ... I noticed it would also hang on an apt-get update if one of the backend servers are not reachable |
| 14:01.43 | mrec | does anyone know if vmware supports suspend to ram? |
| 14:02.00 | dnanar | nkuttler: huh... ok and.. how please ? |
| 14:02.47 | daniel_John | nkuttler, so the > caret is outputting the data into the foo file |
| 14:02.51 | nkuttler | dnanar: well, that's up to you. a good idea may be to put a set -x at the top of the script (if it's bash) |
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| 14:03.34 | nkuttler | daniel_John: um, yes. man bash, redirection i guess |
| 14:04.25 | daniel_John | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 14:04.59 | kriebel | ok, I need to go to work. |
| 14:06.02 | dnanar | nkuttler: :O thanks it worked |
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| 14:18.15 | Orion_X11 | dutchfish: Many thx. I will try to install that version to see what happens |
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| 14:18.25 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, gl |
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| 14:19.48 | debianaire | why a debian user would want to switch over to ubuntu? |
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| 14:20.54 | debianaire | ease of use? or the nifty graphics? |
| 14:21.08 | Ronin | debianaire: why would they want to? |
| 14:21.11 | flyinprogramer | alright, i'm trying to install tomcat5.5 but the install is failing, i'm working off of tomcat*****-2 and the problem is a known bug, i've been reading, and apparently there is a tomcat*****-3, but i'm not sure what i would have to do to change my sources to get apt-get to download -3, i've tried apt-get update, that didn't do it |
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| 14:22.55 | dutchfish | mrec, you mean force suspend? |
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| 14:23.33 | DaBonBon | i've been using debian for a long time .. now i feel i must contribute or somehow help it .. is there some page which lists how people willing to help can contribute to debian project ? |
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| 14:24.21 | debianaire | Ronin, perhaps debian stable package versions become old with each ubuntu release? |
| 14:24.41 | debianaire | Ronin, assuming they want latest versions |
| 14:24.52 | mrec | dutchfish: I need a way to test suspending somehow .. |
| 14:25.06 | mrec | the linux implementation doesn't work with my notebook |
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| 14:25.29 | DaBonBon | mrec: err.. linux implementation ? what do you mean by that ? |
| 14:26.05 | mrec | DaBonBon: at resuming my notebook is just stuck |
| 14:26.28 | DaBonBon | mrec: you're using etch or lenny or sid ? |
| 14:26.43 | mrec | DaBonBon: sid |
| 14:26.54 | thruxton | DaBonBon: http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 14:26.56 | mrec | but with the latest 2.6.23 kernel |
| 14:26.58 | DaBonBon | mrec: try out the stuff listed at http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/quirk-suspend-index.html |
| 14:27.13 | dutchfish | mrec, hibernate.sh |
| 14:27.18 | DaBonBon | thruxton: thank you |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | DaBonBon: what do you want to contribute? |
| 14:27.55 | dutchfish | mrec, i mean /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh |
| 14:28.03 | mrec | I have hibernate-disk hibernate-ram and hibernate although hibernate-disk writes the pages to the swap partition but at bootup it doesn't read those pages from swap (I added resume=/dev/hda2 resume=swap:/dev/hda2 resume2=/dev/hda2 and resume2=swap:/dev/hda2 |
| 14:28.07 | mrec | nothign worked out |
| 14:28.09 | mrec | nothing* |
| 14:28.27 | DaBonBon | abrotman: well i don't know .. something i can help with ? :) |
| 14:28.33 | DaBonBon | abrotman: i know little C/C++ |
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| 14:28.53 | mrec | dutchfish: the problem with suspend to ram is after suspending with echo -n mem > /sys/power/state it doesn't come up again |
| 14:29.01 | moope1 | mg |
| 14:29.08 | abrotman | DaBonBon: you can find/fix bugs, write documentation, create packages ... stuff linke that |
| 14:29.16 | mrec | (this all happens on shell, no X started even) |
| 14:29.35 | dutchfish | mrec, acpi-support is installed correctly? |
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| 14:30.10 | DaBonBon | dutchfish: doesn't sid now rely on hal and pm-suspend infrastructure |
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| 14:30.34 | DaBonBon | abrotman: create packages |
| 14:30.36 | dutchfish | DaBonBon, i assumed we where talking etch |
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| 14:30.46 | DaBonBon | abrotman: lol doesn't debian have lots already ;) |
| 14:30.51 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 14:30.59 | DaBonBon | dutchfish: nope, mrec said he's using sid |
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| 14:31.07 | abrotman | DaBonBon: there is a webpage somewhere of packges that need man pages .. if you'd rather do that |
| 14:31.07 | jeffwheeler | What is the ideal way to switch from using apt-get to aptitude? I've heard that it's bad to use them back and forth a bunch. |
| 14:31.24 | dutchfish | DaBonBon, mrec cant help you with sid, i dont know |
| 14:31.35 | DaBonBon | jeffwheeler: no it's not bad to use apt-get and aptitude both |
| 14:31.43 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, okay. |
| 14:31.46 | mrec | dutchfish: I'm looking at that package although it doesn't affect the problem that the linux kernel doesn't do it's job well enough to wake up the notebook again after suspend to ram |
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| 14:31.54 | abrotman | http://qa.debian.org/ |
| 14:32.09 | DaBonBon | jeffwheeler: it's just that when you install packages with apt-get, aptitude won't know of the dependencies which were optionally installed, so you won't be able to use aptitudes feature of auto removal of packages |
| 14:32.17 | DaBonBon | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:32.42 | jeffwheeler | DaBonBon: oh, okay; thanks. I'll start using aptitude now. |
| 14:32.47 | dutchfish | mrec, on my lenny laptop its works flawless both suspend-to-ram as suspend-to-disl |
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| 14:32.57 | DaBonBon | jeffwheeler: right, that's the best way to do it :) |
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| 14:34.10 | DaBonBon | does lenny use the hal quirks infrastructure for suspend, too ? |
| 14:35.17 | dutchfish | DaBonBon, i can check that in 1 hour, its not at my place right now (the lenny laptop) |
| 14:35.49 | DaBonBon | dutchfish: ok, just tell me, hwo do you suspend on it ? |
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| 14:36.31 | dutchfish | DaBonBon, simply leaving gnome, it has a suspend option form within, how it exactly does work i have to find out |
| 14:36.46 | DaBonBon | dutchfish: ah ok |
| 14:36.57 | dutchfish | DaBonBon, but it does |
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| 14:37.40 | DaBonBon | dutchfish: ok, i'd be thankful if you just tell me what infrastructure is used ! |
| 14:38.20 | dutchfish | DaBonBon, ok i will |
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| 14:39.27 | DaBonBon | ok i must leave .. bbl .. |
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| 14:40.35 | draeath | having some trouble... I'm installing a SPARC64 with netboot (boot net:rarp) and I would like to pass arguments to the installer - I need expert mode (it's loading a module without prompting that is causing a DMA hang) |
| 14:40.43 | draeath | I can't seem to see where I can enter those arguments. |
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| 14:48.13 | draeath | anyone familiar with installation when booting from network? |
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| 14:50.52 | pettern | how do i atostart dhclient at boot? |
| 14:50.56 | pettern | autostart* |
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| 14:54.02 | mbroeker | pettern, i think, the dhcpclient is important for your networking. so look at /etc/network/* and try to install rcconf |
| 14:54.17 | nubb | hello :) i've got bridging to work with bridge-utils, but only thing i'm confused about is what i should do to /etc/network/interfaces now, and whether this bridge will still be there when i reboot...? |
| 14:55.13 | abrotman | nubb: google "debian bridge howto" |
| 14:55.27 | nubb | abrot, i've looked at 10 howtos... none of them answer those questions :P |
| 14:55.47 | nubb | the one i can check experimentally by rebooting, but the /etc/network/interfaces one i'm confused about... |
| 14:55.48 | _Alix | just reboot and hope :p |
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| 14:56.15 | abrotman | nubb: do you have both bridged interfaces in the file? |
| 14:56.47 | nubb | abrot, i used bridge-utils to create it... so i have no clue what (if anything) was saved, or where |
| 14:57.16 | abrotman | hit abro<tab> |
| 14:58.15 | draeath | hmm, anyone know where I could get help with this topic? (passing arguments to the kernel booted from RARP/TFTP on sparc) |
| 14:58.23 | dutchfish | nubb, the brctl show is voletile unless you alter your interfaces file in network |
| 14:58.24 | draeath | nobody here or in ##linux seems to knopw |
| 14:58.28 | abrotman | #sparc? |
| 14:58.35 | abrotman | or #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:59.07 | draeath | it's not something the tftp server/rarp would specify? the RARP server directs it to get the file "0a408131" in my instance |
| 14:59.14 | nubb | dutch, ahh, thanks :) so i should either put those commands i used into a script for boot, or figure out what exactly the equivalents of the commands were inside the /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:59.15 | draeath | i can but the sparc guys though... |
| 14:59.46 | abrotman | nubb: http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/qemu-debian .. seems to discuss it |
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| 15:00.32 | dutchfish | nubb, right look what abrotman sugested |
| 15:00.40 | AlteKiet | how can I enable vino on a X-session already running. Using ssh? |
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| 15:01.20 | pablo | hi, can i do an apt downgrade |
| 15:01.34 | pablo | i am on lenny and i installed some sid packages |
| 15:01.39 | pablo | how can i go back? |
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| 15:01.45 | suppaman | how do I copy to a path creating dirs in path if they don't exist ? |
| 15:01.53 | nubb | abrotman/dutchfish, hmm thanks, that looks like what i need :) |
| 15:02.11 | abrotman | !force downgrade |
| 15:02.34 | abrotman | !partial downgrade |
| 15:02.34 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
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| 15:04.07 | humbolto | has anybody ever converted a vmware VM to Xen? |
| 15:05.02 | subopt | I need to create a very simple background image, just a set of colored boxes. What's the easiest app for something like that? |
| 15:05.25 | Azar | subopt: if you got the image, just use feh |
| 15:05.31 | nkuttler | AlteKiet: try DISPLAY=:0.0 foo |
| 15:05.40 | subopt | Azar: i need to draw it |
| 15:05.42 | dutchfish | humbolto, linux or hvm? |
| 15:05.53 | Azar | subopt: gimp? |
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| 15:05.59 | mrrcp | anyone here use openvpn |
| 15:06.23 | subopt | Azar: thanks, but i was hoping for something w/no learning curve. |
| 15:06.40 | humbolto | dutchfish: linux |
| 15:07.01 | dutchfish | humbolto, yes, please ask |
| 15:07.02 | hoxu | I have a keyboard-dead KDE session on :0, is there any way to find out which X program is receiving keypresses on a certain display (afaics this problem is not kde-specific)? |
| 15:07.03 | abrotman | subopt: kpaint might work fro you .. |
| 15:07.08 | Azar | subopt: exactly that why I never used a drawing program :) |
| 15:07.17 | subopt | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:07.19 | abrotman | subopt: and there are small drawing apps for gnome if you prefer |
| 15:07.23 | hoxu | !tell mrrcp about anyone |
| 15:07.25 | Azar | subopt: search for an image online, grab it then set it as your background |
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| 15:07.40 | abrotman | !info xpaint etch |
| 15:08.30 | _Alix | mrrcp, tinc works quite well |
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| 15:08.57 | dpkg | xpaint: (simple paint program for X), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.7.8.1-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 390 kB, Installed size: 1204 kB |
| 15:09.04 | humbolto | dutchfish: how to do that? And are the disk image files compatible? Should be as jumpbox provides it's VMs with both vmware and xen config files but just one disk image. Please advise. |
| 15:09.53 | mrrcp | tinc? |
| 15:10.13 | hoxu | mrrcp, apt-cache show tinc |
| 15:10.35 | _Alix | mrrcp, its a vpn application |
| 15:10.41 | humbolto | dutchfish: I read you can convert the disk images with qemu. But I am wondering if the one or the other (Xen, VMware) can read the disk image format of the opponent. |
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| 15:12.31 | dutchfish | humbolto, thats 1 way to go, i just mounted it adn dd it, created a xen image on lvm, xm shutdown image, dd it to the lvm partition, installed apropriate vserver kernel and xen config file and boot eh voila |
| 15:13.38 | humbolto | dutchfish: I see. Vserver kernel is not needed for Xen though, is it? |
| 15:13.54 | dutchfish | humbolto, not imperative no, but desirable |
| 15:13.55 | humbolto | Thought Vserver is another virtualization technology. |
| 15:14.10 | dutchfish | humbolto, i meant xen-vserver |
| 15:14.11 | humbolto | dutchfish: Why? |
| 15:14.44 | humbolto | dutchfish: This is some kind of user-space server partitioning thing, right? |
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| 15:14.58 | dutchfish | humbolto, if you dont need hardware accesss from within your dom-U its better security and less overhead (faster dom-U) |
| 15:15.00 | tbsi | hellow |
| 15:15.08 | tbsi | how do i find out what debian release i'm running? |
| 15:15.45 | humbolto | dutchfish: Really? Thought this does not have anything to do with Xen at all. |
| 15:15.48 | hoxu | tbsi, /etc/debian_version |
| 15:15.59 | dutchfish | humbolto, oh it does |
| 15:16.08 | humbolto | dutchfish: Thought that is like the virtuzzo stuff. |
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| 15:16.13 | dutchfish | humbolto, but it depends on your needs |
| 15:16.19 | dutchfish | !hvm |
| 15:16.20 | dpkg | well, hvm is used under xen to allow full virtualization of unmodified operating systems such as windows and unmodified kernels, for this to work you need a CPU with intel's VT or amd's pacifica support. xen also needs a special package xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 (Etch) to work with hvm. Read this for futher information on motherboards http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Motherboards |
| 15:16.58 | tbsi | thx |
| 15:17.19 | humbolto | !vserver |
| 15:17.19 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 15:18.04 | humbolto | dutchfish: so not really a Xen technology. |
| 15:18.14 | dutchfish | humbolto, xen-verser like linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 |
| 15:18.38 | dutchfish | humbolto, hehe i meant a adapted kernel |
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| 15:19.25 | debian | Hello |
| 15:19.37 | debian | Grub error 15, no cd boot. What to do= |
| 15:19.38 | debian | ? |
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| 15:20.46 | debian | Please help me!! |
| 15:21.11 | Eulex | debian, look up what the error means and then correct what is wrong? |
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| 15:22.07 | humbolto | dutchfish: anyways, when I am not dd-ing the disk image to LVM, do I need to convert the disk image to Xen/qemu? and if so, can VMware read the Xen/qemu image format? |
| 15:22.55 | dutchfish | humbolto, if you can reach the file on the guest by other means, sure, anything will do to clone it |
| 15:23.06 | dutchfish | humbolto, files* |
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| 15:23.59 | dutchfish | humbolto, but i am not a vmware expert, in fact i hate it |
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| 15:25.00 | masus | hi all, what is the best way to balance 2 internet connections |
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| 15:25.25 | humbolto | dutchfish: I don't reach it on the guest. I reach it on the host (dom0). Much simpler. |
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| 15:25.50 | dutchfish | humbolto, ok |
| 15:26.16 | abrotman | masus: load balance or fail over or channelbonding? |
| 15:26.23 | dutchfish | humbolto, as long as it is not booted its fine |
| 15:26.45 | hoxu | humbolto, were you trying to convert vmware image to xen or what? |
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| 15:26.58 | masus | abrotman: load balance |
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| 15:28.17 | abrotman | masus: there's a package called pen .. dunno if that's what you're lookiing for or not |
| 15:28.36 | abrotman | also one called balance |
| 15:28.42 | masus | ok i'll see |
| 15:28.48 | dutchfish | humbolto, for your info: http://ian.blenke.com/vmware/vmdk/xen/hvm/qemu/vmware_to_xen_hvm.html |
| 15:29.14 | Torgo | I'm trying to start a debian install on a ThinkPad 750P (very old). The root floppy isn't recognized even though I tested it (read the image using dd and compare the md5sum to the root.img I downloaded) and used floppy=thinkpad as a kernel parameter. I get end_requiest: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0\n Cannot find root floppy: /dev/floppy/0: cannot mount |
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| 15:29.34 | abrotman | Torgo: i'd try another floppy |
| 15:29.45 | abrotman | Torgo: also consider the TP floppy drive is busted |
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| 15:30.02 | masus | abrotman: is pen in the packages of debian |
| 15:30.03 | Torgo | abrotman: I have done that, and tested the floppy by reading it using dd. The boot floppy works perfectly too. |
| 15:30.11 | humbolto | hoxu: That's what I am planning to do. |
| 15:30.20 | abrotman | Torgo: just not in the TP ? |
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| 15:30.28 | abrotman | masus: apt-cache show pen |
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| 15:30.44 | Torgo | abrotman: right. Is it possible the kernel on the debian sarge floppies doesn't recognize the floppy=thinkpad parameter? |
| 15:30.50 | Noboru | how can i avoid accessing to an IP at the remote port 80 from my server ? |
| 15:30.53 | _Krieger_ | how to restrict or at least control torrenting in local network? |
| 15:30.57 | abrotman | Torgo: yes .. very possible |
| 15:31.02 | Torgo | oeyh |
| 15:31.09 | abrotman | Torgo: why not use etch ? |
| 15:31.10 | Noboru | iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth9 -p tcp -d 1.2.3.4 --dport 80 -j DROP,this does not work |
| 15:31.17 | hoxu | humbolto, dunno about the subject, but this may be informative: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2006-04/msg00823.html |
| 15:31.17 | capiira | hmmm hi anyone know if there is a way to set x.orgs dpi ? |
| 15:31.57 | masus | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:32.18 | Torgo | abrotman: well... uhm... I'm using the floppies to start an Xubuntu install. Using their installfromfloppies instructions. I was researching which version to try. |
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| 15:32.41 | hoxu | Noboru, are you sure the packets aren't leaving through another interface then? |
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| 15:33.01 | tbsi | what does it mean when i get something like E: Invalid operation mysql-server-5.0 |
| 15:33.23 | abrotman | tbsi: you didn't give apt-get or aptitude an action |
| 15:33.29 | hoxu | tbsi, try apt-get install <package> |
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| 15:34.05 | abrotman | Torgo: you can use the sarge floppies to start a xubuntu install ? |
| 15:34.45 | Noboru | hoxu, i have only eth0 as the ethernet card on my server |
| 15:35.06 | Noboru | hoxu, and now someone is using some tool to downloading from that remote IP and i wanna ban it |
| 15:35.16 | tbsi | oh thanks |
| 15:35.20 | hoxu | Noboru, no need for "-o eth0" then? |
| 15:35.35 | Torgo | abrotman: that's what this page says: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies |
| 15:35.43 | hoxu | Noboru, I don't see why that rule wouldn't work, unless there's one before it in the OUTPUT chain that already matches |
| 15:36.24 | Torgo | abrotman: there's a debootstrap package they made for the purpose |
| 15:37.12 | abrotman | Torgo: your laptop can't boot CDs ? |
| 15:37.34 | Torgo | abrotman: as I wrote, it's very old. Doesn't even have a CD drive. I'm hoping to boot floppies and do a network install. |
| 15:37.41 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 15:37.45 | Torgo | heh |
| 15:37.50 | abrotman | Torgo: try another floppy disk |
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| 15:38.05 | Torgo | i tested it/them and have tried other diskettes. |
| 15:38.14 | abrotman | no go huh ? |
| 15:38.28 | Torgo | nope. same immediate I/O error. |
| 15:38.44 | abrotman | http://www.geocities.com/dueze/thinkpad750c.html |
| 15:38.47 | abrotman | is that your machine ? |
| 15:39.23 | Torgo | very close, but not color and does have a pen. it's a tablet convertible. |
| 15:39.31 | abrotman | not color? |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | how much RAM do you have ? |
| 15:39.49 | Torgo | I have 36MB |
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| 15:40.13 | Torgo | 5GB disk |
| 15:40.28 | abrotman | you could try any other floppies .. basically they just want you to partition and then grab the ubuntu stuff |
| 15:40.41 | Torgo | maybe slackware, then. |
| 15:41.00 | abrotman | Torgo: you could even actually install something like potato .. then upgrade to something more recent .. |
| 15:41.11 | Torgo | ah, yes. very nice. |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | Torgo: you realize that with Xubuntu that machine will be ****very**** slow ? |
| 15:41.25 | dutchfish | Noboru, correct me if i am wrong, but does that rule not work for established connection but only for new ones? |
| 15:41.39 | Noboru | wait. |
| 15:41.43 | Torgo | abrotman: oh sure. Absolutely. Just want to make it go. |
| 15:41.55 | Torgo | well, maybe not "go" :) |
| 15:42.07 | abrotman | Torgo: for reference .. i have a 486 DX2/66 with 36MB running etch .. it is very slow when doing certain tasks .. and that's not even running X |
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| 15:42.20 | Azar | Torgo: base install then use X without a desktop, just fluxbox or openbox |
| 15:42.33 | abrotman | Azar: you should read the scrollback |
| 15:42.44 | Azar | ah... abrotman sorry |
| 15:43.19 | hoxu | dutchfish, Noboru: the rule drops all packets regardless of state, right? |
| 15:43.23 | Torgo | azar: I may resort to that. I have had a text-only slackware running on it before. Seemed... OK. |
| 15:43.46 | dutchfish | hoxu, that was my q |
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| 15:43.55 | Azar | floppy oh mannn |
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| 15:44.13 | Azar | woody to the rescue :) |
| 15:44.34 | hoxu | dutchfish, --state NEW would match only packets starting new connection |
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| 15:44.58 | dutchfish | hoxu, ok |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | Azar: sarge should work .. but woody has even older kernels |
| 15:45.34 | Azar | abrotman: yeah I was thinkin woody is very forgiving with hardware then he could jump on sarge/2.6 |
| 15:45.51 | Torgo | (sigh) Etch has one of those wacky setups where my keyboard doesn't work. What's the kernel parameter to fix that? |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | he could try .. i'm not sure how much luck he'll have |
| 15:45.58 | Torgo | (enter gives me an "a") |
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| 15:47.03 | Torgo | I can type the kernel parameters, but when it asks for the root floppy, the keyboard is all wacky. |
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| 15:48.43 | Torgo | something like keyboard reset.... something |
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| 15:51.16 | Azar | Torgo: if you will try installing woody, do only base, make sure your eth0 works then upgrade to Sarge http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 15:51.51 | Torgo | azar: I'll give it a shot. Etch won't recognize the root floppy either. |
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| 15:52.05 | Azar | Torgo: might be your machine is too old for Etch |
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| 15:52.16 | Torgo | never! |
| 15:52.18 | Torgo | :) |
| 15:52.22 | dutchfish | lol |
| 15:52.25 | Azar | Torgo: I am sure with Sarge will work |
| 15:52.38 | abrotman | sarge didn't work 10 minutes ago |
| 15:52.46 | Torgo | azar: The sarge floppies are where I started. Root won't recognize. |
| 15:52.56 | Chi11y | what is my best bet for making a distro derived from debian to share with friends? |
| 15:53.01 | abrotman | Torgo: did you try both sarge kernels ? |
| 15:53.05 | abrotman | !ccd |
| 15:53.09 | Azar | Torgo: same issue I had with Sarge install last year. I gave up and started with woody |
| 15:53.09 | abrotman | ffs |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | !simple-ccd |
| 15:53.14 | abrotman | i give up |
| 15:53.16 | abrotman | !simple-cdd |
| 15:53.17 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 15:53.19 | abrotman | yay |
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| 15:53.21 | Azar | hah |
| 15:53.25 | Azar | hehehe |
| 15:53.45 | Torgo | azar: there's only one boot.img for sarge, right? |
| 15:53.50 | Azar | woody is very forgiving, will install anyhow on any older machine |
| 15:54.07 | hoxu | abrotman, hint: /msg dpkg listkeys ccd ;P |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | shut it! |
| 15:54.25 | Azar | plus it has a very flexible install I allways liked the woody installation |
| 15:54.44 | DeathWolf | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/150651 => Anyone knows a clean solution to that problem? |
| 15:55.46 | abrotman | DeathWolf: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:55.53 | DeathWolf | I meant that problem in debian |
| 15:55.54 | DeathWolf | it's the same |
| 15:56.04 | DeathWolf | (and I'm running debian) |
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| 15:56.14 | DeathWolf | apr_dbd_mysql.so basically does not exist |
| 15:56.21 | Azar | I sinned by installing woody and upgrading to sarge and staying with sarge |
| 15:56.31 | abrotman | DeathWolf: right ... last i chedcked .. the mysql-auth stuff didn't work with apache2 |
| 15:56.38 | DeathWolf | damn:/ |
| 15:56.39 | Torgo | azar: I'm actually trying to install xubuntu. |
| 15:56.43 | DeathWolf | So... what can I do? |
| 15:56.52 | abrotman | DeathWolf: not use it ? |
| 15:56.56 | Azar | Torgo: it might be too much for your hardware |
| 15:57.05 | Torgo | it might. |
| 15:57.12 | DeathWolf | well I could dirty the system and home built it I guess |
| 15:57.24 | Azar | Torgo: but if you want to have that machine running "something" I guess woody>sarge is the way |
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| 15:58.17 | dutchfish | Azar, Torgo i am following this road for my old ibm, maybe this helps for you too: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 15:58.33 | Torgo | (looking at the mirror list...) anyone know where I can get woody? |
| 15:58.43 | Azar | lucky dog, I allways dreamed of having an old ibm |
| 15:58.43 | abrotman | Torgo: woody floppies ? |
| 15:58.49 | Torgo | yeah |
| 15:58.58 | abrotman | maybe archive.debian.org |
| 15:59.10 | Torgo | thanks, dutchfish, but this ThinkPad is so old it doesn't have a CD drive. |
| 15:59.27 | DeathWolf | what would be the clean way to rebuild a modified aprutils package with mysql dbd? |
| 15:59.30 | dutchfish | Torgo, http://slagroom.snt.utwente.nl/debian-archive/dists/ |
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| 15:59.57 | abrotman | http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-3.0/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 16:00.05 | dutchfish | Torgo, does it netboot? |
| 16:00.20 | abrotman | does it "net" :) |
| 16:00.33 | Torgo | egad! Use the 20 floppies?!? |
| 16:00.37 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok ok ... ;) |
| 16:00.41 | Torgo | wow. |
| 16:00.46 | abrotman | Torgo: no .. it does not |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | Torgo: not if you have a supported NIC |
| 16:01.04 | Torgo | dutchfish: The BIOS says it will boot over the net, but I don't think my NIC will. |
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| 16:01.19 | Torgo | I have used the fedora floppy installer a few versions back to install over a network. |
| 16:01.20 | edistar | how do I set a quota limit for a specific directory? |
| 16:01.50 | abrotman | Torgo: i believe you need six floppies for woody .. but it's been a long time |
| 16:01.53 | dutchfish | Torgo, if am not alsheimering at th emoment, i remember that i used netboot alot with those old thinky's |
| 16:01.57 | abrotman | maybe it was only two ... |
| 16:02.01 | hoxu | edistar, I thought quotas are partition-specific? |
| 16:02.09 | edistar | hoxu: oh, not good |
| 16:02.30 | edistar | then can anyone tell me how I can set the max size of a directory? |
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| 16:02.32 | hoxu | edistar, I may be mistaken though, don't give up yet :p |
| 16:03.00 | edistar | hoxu: I thought so too, but then someone here told me to use quota.. so I thought it was possible |
| 16:03.25 | Torgo | Maybe i'll try Fedora 3 again, just to make sure the hardware works. |
| 16:03.27 | hoxu | well, maybe they meant you could put the directory on a separate partition |
| 16:04.06 | edistar | hoxu: yes, I suppose so :( |
| 16:04.14 | Torgo | dutchfish, do you mean booting a floppy that then does a PXE boot? |
| 16:05.10 | dutchfish | Torgo, yep |
| 16:05.18 | abrotman | Torgo: it loads enough of the installer to go out to the net and get the rest of your packages |
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| 16:05.28 | Torgo | cool |
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| 16:06.52 | dutchfish | Torgo, thats the same way the native software was installed on it, maybe you cant find it on big blue's website |
| 16:06.55 | DeathWolf | how does one build the deb package after apt-get source'ing it(do not want to use -b since I'm modifying a few files) |
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| 16:08.07 | asg | bouncing boob, nice |
| 16:08.10 | DeathWolf | ok, n/m, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:08.24 | abrotman | !source |
| 16:08.24 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 16:08.38 | dutchfish | Torgo, some models even dont need a flop but can boot directly from bios if a ibm card was used |
| 16:08.43 | Gizgiz | filled.inbox@gmail.com |
| 16:08.55 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:09.18 | Torgo | dutchfish: this machine's BIOS does allow me to set it to boot over a network, but I don't have an IBM NIC. |
| 16:09.54 | dutchfish | Torgo, anyone just try, if you get ip from dhcp it should work |
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| 16:11.16 | frederick85 | !ipw2200 |
| 16:11.16 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 16:11.27 | abrotman | HA! |
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| 16:11.35 | abrotman | your god is not strong enough! |
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| 16:11.45 | DeathWolf | I'm my god. I pray to myself. |
| 16:11.50 | DeathWolf | A bit schyzo |
| 16:12.01 | abrotman | then i guess you'll know who is to blame |
| 16:12.08 | DeathWolf | hehe |
| 16:12.25 | DeathWolf | Who'd think I'd kill a god someday. |
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| 16:14.02 | Unwise | hello |
| 16:14.17 | xand | why hello |
| 16:14.25 | adrakoa | why why hello? |
| 16:14.36 | Unwise | why not? |
| 16:14.57 | abrotman | oh not again |
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| 16:15.41 | asg | abrotman: are you a bowl of petunias? |
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| 16:15.55 | Unwise | get it sorted? |
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| 16:16.12 | abrotman | asg: i smell pretty! |
| 16:16.22 | dutchfish | rofl |
| 16:16.31 | asg | abrotman: at least you aren't plummeting to certain death on Magrathea |
| 16:16.46 | DawnLight | yo. an interfaces/bridge-utils question here http://paste.debian.net/42714 |
| 16:17.05 | abrotman | asg: i'm watching Legion of Superheroes :) |
| 16:17.10 | frederick85 | does anybody know how how to stop links blocking HTTP_REFERER information |
| 16:17.26 | frederick85 | the web-browser links |
| 16:17.28 | asg | frederick85: ask #apache |
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| 16:17.56 | asg | abrotman: form of a bucket of water, form of a vibrator superheros or something new and lame? |
| 16:18.00 | adrakoa | !superhero |
| 16:18.16 | abrotman | asg: superman .. blahblah .. it's oaky |
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| 16:18.38 | asg | abrotman: I always imagined you as Apache Chief ... enock chock! |
| 16:19.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:19.20 | Unwise | bye |
| 16:19.20 | dutchfish | frederick85, use an anynomizer |
| 16:19.23 | dutchfish | !tor |
| 16:19.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
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| 16:21.06 | frederick85 | any advice on setting up mouse for gpm |
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| 16:22.02 | DawnLight | frederick85: it asks you a few questions... if you got them wrong "dpkg-reconfigure gpm" as root |
| 16:22.21 | frederick85 | DawnLight: don't worry it's actually done. |
| 16:23.49 | DawnLight | ah thank god |
| 16:24.01 | salvin | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: module-assistant |
| 16:24.05 | salvin | lol? |
| 16:24.28 | Azar | salvin: aptitude or apt-get? |
| 16:24.34 | salvin | apt-get |
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| 16:24.40 | Azar | try aptitude |
| 16:24.57 | DawnLight | !tell salvin about aptitude |
| 16:25.07 | salvin | ok ok |
| 16:25.14 | Azar | ...and stay with aptitude. don't mix them |
| 16:25.20 | abrotman | salvin: do you need module-assistant for something ? |
| 16:25.36 | DawnLight | i love m-a |
| 16:25.40 | salvin | abrotman, yes |
| 16:25.48 | DawnLight | find it very assistive |
| 16:25.56 | abrotman | salvin: so install it explicitly |
| 16:25.58 | DawnLight | especially with the modules |
| 16:26.25 | Azar | hehe |
| 16:26.44 | frederick85 | how can you emulate 3 mouse buttons with gpm the man page didn't specify that option |
| 16:26.51 | salvin | aptitude -> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: module-assistant |
| 16:27.00 | salvin | abrotman, i know |
| 16:27.15 | abrotman | oka then ... |
| 16:27.36 | Azar | this reminds me of a comment on amazon about a pair of socks: the commenter gave the item 5 stars because he found the socks excellent to filter dirt on one of his bathroom pipes |
| 16:27.41 | salvin | but it's strange :) |
| 16:28.00 | Azar | salvin: go for it then reinstall using aptitude |
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| 16:29.13 | Azar | salvin: this is a way of aptitude telling you: I never installed this package, I don't know it therefore it will be removed |
| 16:29.28 | taime1 | is it possible that i have a bad install if my laptop only moiunts a usb drive like once every ten or twelve plugins? |
| 16:29.45 | abrotman | or you have bad hardware |
| 16:29.49 | taime1 | mounts* |
| 16:29.57 | taime1 | yea, abortman, i was thinking that too |
| 16:30.26 | taime1 | beers? |
| 16:30.33 | taime1 | i was like, wtf? |
| 16:30.44 | abrotman | mmm .. beers |
| 16:30.49 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:30.56 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:31.00 | Daveman | despite it being before noon, on a saturday :p |
| 16:31.07 | abrotman | just barely before noon! |
| 16:31.07 | Daveman | but hey, it's all good ;) |
| 16:31.14 | Daveman | heh heh, yeah |
| 16:31.14 | salvin | Azar, but m-a must put itself in its package depends... |
| 16:31.19 | Daveman | and it'll haze the distinction anyway |
| 16:31.46 | Azar | salvin: aptitude removes packages+relatives, installs it the same way |
| 16:32.23 | taime1 | is there a way to know whether its my hardware or an OS problem? |
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| 16:33.14 | Azar | salvin: read this short info: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 16:33.16 | Wyzard | salvin: If you want aptitude to keep module-assistant installed even though nothing depends on it, "aptitude unmarkauto module-assitant", or select the package in aptitude's interactive mode and press 'm' or '+' |
| 16:33.41 | taime1 | cuz i guess even tho my usb drive lights up and gets power, i guess its still possible that the usb port is bad? |
| 16:34.14 | DawnLight | an interfaces/bridge-utils question, explained here: http://paste.debian.net/42714 |
| 16:34.27 | Wyzard | taime1: I have a USB port on my monitor that works fine for some devices, but generates lots of errors (in syslog) for a certain flash drive that has no problems anywhere else |
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| 16:36.43 | Chi11y | what is my best bet for making a distro derived from debian to share with friends? |
| 16:36.53 | _Alix | !simple-ccd |
| 16:37.11 | _Alix | http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD/Howto |
| 16:37.28 | Chi11y | kkthnx :) |
| 16:37.36 | taime1 | Wyzard: if it mounts but sometimes doesnt the SAME usb drive, then it is likely a hardware problem ha? |
| 16:37.38 | wubrgamer | hey guys, quick question, if I install debian stable (4.1 I think ?)...can I add the testing repo's which would make it a testing version of debian ? |
| 16:37.38 | wubrgamer | or would I have to re-install with the testing cd's ? |
| 16:37.47 | abrotman | etch is 4.0 |
| 16:37.54 | abrotman | !tell wubrgamer about etch->lenny |
| 16:38.09 | Wyzard | taime1: Possibly, but not definitely... dunno |
| 16:38.14 | masus | !tell masus about etch->lenny |
| 16:38.16 | taime1 | hmm... crummy |
| 16:38.21 | abrotman | !tell masus about selftell |
| 16:38.31 | \amethyst | taime1: have you tried other high-speed devices on the same port? |
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| 16:39.07 | taime1 | yeah |
| 16:39.13 | taime1 | didnt mount those at all |
| 16:39.42 | wubrgamer | thanks ! also, how many cd's do I need ? just the first ? or all 21 *cringe*? |
| 16:40.05 | Wyzard | wubrgamer: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you don't even need the whole first CD |
| 16:40.08 | Wyzard | just the much smaller netinst one |
| 16:40.33 | Wyzard | The full CD/DVD set is all the packages that are available for installation, but you'll probably only ever install a small fraction of those |
| 16:40.33 | wubrgamer | I do ! |
| 16:40.48 | Wyzard | The netinst CD will download just what's needed, during installation |
| 16:40.57 | wubrgamer | have an internet connection that is ! yay ! netinst I go ! |
| 16:41.09 | wubrgamer | but can I install from just the first disk, out of curiosity |
| 16:41.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:41.25 | wubrgamer | thnx |
| 16:41.25 | abrotman | the netinst is still the way to go |
| 16:41.44 | wubrgamer | might I ask where the advantage is ? |
| 16:41.59 | Wyzard | wubrgamer: You can, but I actually prefer not to, because it leaves apt configured to get packages from that CD |
| 16:42.18 | Wyzard | so when you ask it to install a package, if it's one that was available on the CD, it asks you to insert the CD, rather than just downloading the package |
| 16:42.22 | abrotman | wubrgamer: advantage of which method? |
| 16:42.46 | Wyzard | I'd rather spend 30 seconds downloading something than have to go find a CD and put it in my drive, so I prefer not to have apt configured with any CD sources |
| 16:42.49 | abrotman | wubrgamer: for most situations .. the netinst is the way to go |
| 16:42.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: comment out the CD source! |
| 16:43.04 | Wyzard | I do |
| 16:43.19 | Wyzard | but using netinst avoids the need to do that in the first place |
| 16:43.27 | Wyzard | so it's a little nicer :-) |
| 16:43.32 | abrotman | not if you tell the netinst the only source is the CD |
| 16:43.42 | abrotman | (not sure why you would) |
| 16:44.36 | Wyzard | Actually, I prefer the even-smaller businesscard image rather than the netinst one |
| 16:44.48 | wubrgamer | what's the businesscard image for ? |
| 16:45.04 | Wyzard | same thing, but it doesn't even include the "base system" on the CD, and has to download that too |
| 16:45.08 | abrotman | wubrgamer: it *requires* the internet |
| 16:45.37 | Wyzard | I don't know if this is still true, but it used to be that the businesscard CD only had room for one kernel, so it had the generic -386 one that'd work on anything, and that's what it'd install |
| 16:45.39 | dutchfish | also the bizz image doesnt have that much netcard drivers on board (as i ran into) |
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| 16:45.43 | Wyzard | oops, that is, the netinst CD would |
| 16:46.04 | Wyzard | whereas the businesscard CD didn't contain any kernel, and always had to download one, so it'd download the most appropriate one for the current system (i.e. -686) |
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| 16:46.22 | Wyzard | so using businesscard instead of netinst would save me the trouble of having to install the -686 kernel manually afterward |
| 16:46.31 | wubrgamer | k |
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| 16:46.59 | wubrgamer | hey ,why do you have this is NOT #UBUNTU |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | wubrgamer: because this is #debian |
| 16:47.12 | wubrgamer | aren't the two projects supposed to be really like...interconnected and stuff ? |
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| 16:47.16 | Wyzard | because Ubuntu users often ask questions about Ubuntu here |
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| 16:47.21 | wubrgamer | I thought they played off each other |
| 16:47.27 | Wyzard | Ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 16:47.37 | wubrgamer | and bounced work back and forth ? |
| 16:47.42 | Wyzard | but that doesn't mean it's the same thing |
| 16:47.50 | wubrgamer | ok |
| 16:47.56 | wubrgamer | well, I g2g, but thnx every1 |
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| 16:47.59 | Wyzard | taime1: If the question is applicable to Debian too then it's not really a big deal |
| 16:48.02 | abrotman | taime1: and hopefully we never destroy your system |
| 16:48.07 | taime1 | lol |
| 16:48.10 | Wyzard | but Ubuntu has differences that we don't keep track of |
| 16:48.14 | taime1 | i only ask questions that apply |
| 16:48.22 | abrotman | and packages that act differently |
| 16:48.40 | Wyzard | so advice meant for Debian could be wrong on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu can have problems that don't exist in Debian |
| 16:48.42 | taime1 | i hate #ubuntu |
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| 16:49.08 | dryrot | ha |
| 16:49.17 | taime1 | morons |
| 16:49.18 | SpeedyG | taime1: remove the # in front of that ;) |
| 16:49.25 | taime1 | that too SpeedyG |
| 16:49.26 | abrotman | taime1: most of the users are too |
| 16:49.35 | stew | stop |
| 16:49.35 | dryrot | hey so i installed etch, how do i make my wireless work? i have embedded intel wireless (ubuntu recognizes it) |
| 16:49.41 | taime1 | im ashamed to admit that my desktop runs it |
| 16:49.44 | dryrot | unix should be hard to use! |
| 16:49.47 | abrotman | dryrot: which one? |
| 16:49.48 | dryrot | it was hard to make |
| 16:49.54 | taime1 | but only cuz i dont want to erase all i have done before i knew better |
| 16:49.59 | SpeedyG | taime1: everybody makes mistakes in life ;) |
| 16:50.08 | abrotman | dryrot: ipw2200? 3945? |
| 16:50.08 | taime1 | 'thanks, i needed to hear that |
| 16:50.49 | SpeedyG | taime1: btw, I found that if you know which software packages are installed |
| 16:50.55 | abrotman | stew: you're DD-ish! .. do you know how lintian generates the missing man page report? |
| 16:50.55 | Wyzard | taime1: I'd probably run Ubuntu on my desktop if I wasn't running sid |
| 16:50.57 | SpeedyG | its fairly easy to reinstall without much trouble ;) |
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| 16:51.24 | stew | abrotman: what do you mean, exactly? |
| 16:51.46 | dryrot | abrotman: I have Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 16:51.50 | abrotman | stew: qa.debian.org has a missing man page thing .. but it doesn't seem accurate (based on my lenny laptop) |
| 16:51.51 | taime1 | the only thing ubuntu has goin for itself is ease of install |
| 16:51.52 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 16:51.52 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 16:52.16 | abrotman | stew: for example .. it says /usr/bin/gedit is missing its man page .. but it seems to exist on my system |
| 16:52.20 | Wyzard | I disagree with that factoid -- /usr/local/lib/firmware is a more appropriate place than /lib/firmware for firmware files that are being installed manually |
| 16:52.28 | taime1 | i respect debian.. i use elive |
| 16:52.39 | DawnLight | an interfaces/bridge-utils question, explained here: http://paste.debian.net/42714 |
| 16:52.57 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: if thats the reason, you should take a look at sidux :) thats a fork of debian based on sid ;) |
| 16:53.06 | dryrot | too bad there isnt a magical package i can just install |
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| 16:53.15 | Wyzard | taime1: I use Ubuntu (actually XUbuntu) on secondary boxes that I don't intend to do as much customization or fine-tuning of, or for throwaway installs (e.g. in VMware for testing stuff) |
| 16:53.21 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: nah, plain sid is fine :-) |
| 16:53.31 | stew | abrotman: afaik, its getting the data from the same lintian runs as lintian.debian.org. |
| 16:53.32 | taime1 | right |
| 16:53.32 | abrotman | dryrot: you just need the firmware AFAIK |
| 16:53.41 | twiggz | poobuntu |
| 16:53.42 | abrotman | stew: but it's wrong? |
| 16:53.43 | taime1 | again, basically only good for a quick easy install |
| 16:53.57 | Wyzard | dryrot: You already have the driver (it's part of the standard kernel), but the driver needs the firmware to work |
| 16:53.59 | dryrot | abrotman: so i put the firmware in /lib/firmware ? |
| 16:54.00 | stew | abrotman: and lintian.debian.org ran lintian most recently against gedit 2.20.3, is that the one you have? |
| 16:54.02 | Wyzard | dryrot: and Debian doesn't distribute the firmware |
| 16:54.04 | stew | abrotman: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/mDebian_GNOME_Maintainers.html#gedit |
| 16:54.16 | Wyzard | dryrot: /lib/firmware will work, but /usr/local/lib/firmware would be preferable |
| 16:54.21 | abrotman | stew: but 'man gedit' works fine |
| 16:54.23 | twiggz | their gonna have hindubuntu to go along with the gosh darn ubuntu christian edition, hahaha |
| 16:54.27 | abrotman | and is actually a man page |
| 16:54.31 | twiggz | protestant ubuntu |
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| 16:54.40 | taime1 | there is a satanic and muslim eidtion too |
| 16:54.45 | stew | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/sid/gedit/i386/filelist <- i dont see a manpage there |
| 16:54.45 | abrotman | stew: i have gedit 2.18.x |
| 16:54.47 | twiggz | yeah, thats going a bit far. |
| 16:54.52 | _Alix | so many deriritivces |
| 16:54.54 | _Alix | its pretty lame |
| 16:54.59 | twiggz | yes, it is pretty lame. |
| 16:55.05 | abrotman | stew: hrm |
| 16:55.17 | taime1 | alphabetsoupubuntu |
| 16:55.23 | twiggz | haha |
| 16:55.25 | _Alix | ubuntu4kids |
| 16:55.29 | abrotman | stew: it's in gedit-common |
| 16:55.29 | _Alix | ubuntuaduldedition |
| 16:55.32 | stew | taime1: twiggz: please go to #ubuntu to discuss ubuntu |
| 16:55.38 | taime1 | n00buntu |
| 16:55.51 | stew | abrotman: the binary isn't |
| 16:55.54 | taime1 | okay, im done.. sorry.. it was kinda slow |
| 16:55.57 | abrotman | stew: so the lintian report is correct .. even though the man page exists .. hrm |
| 16:56.12 | twiggz | why would i want to go into that zoo they call a channel? |
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| 16:56.31 | abrotman | stew: so the ideal thing to do would be to file a bug on gedit to include the manpage from gedit-common ? |
| 16:57.10 | stew | yeah, quoting policy 12.1: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.1 "Each program, utility, and function should have an associated manual page included in the same package." |
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| 16:57.56 | abrotman | seems silly to file a bug on it .. i wonder if there's a way to automate the check to massfile .. i found a few others that say they are missing but exist |
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| 16:59.20 | drwahl | does anyone here have any experience with ext4 ? i'm wondering how "developmental" it is? is it stable/reliable at all? |
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| 17:01.23 | shamrock | does anyone know the procedure for updating the information |
| 17:01.23 | shamrock | catalog lspci uses to list devices based on device ID? |
| 17:01.51 | Wyzard | shamrock: update-pciids |
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| 17:02.34 | shamrock | thanks. would you know if thats ubuntu compatible too? |
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| 17:02.46 | stew | abrotman: yeah, that would be easily scripted |
| 17:02.56 | Wyzard | shamrock: Probably, but #ubuntu would be the place to ask that |
| 17:02.56 | stew | abrotman: in fact, i probably have it half way scripted already |
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| 17:03.34 | ETj | hi all |
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| 17:04.34 | DawnLight | brilliant |
| 17:04.37 | abrotman | maybe they should just alter policy! :) |
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| 17:05.28 | ETj | I have some probs after the yesterday update of my lenny: performing a startx, x starts correctly, but the screen remains black (kde does not shows up); the pointer is on, so X seems to be working; known issue or only a problem of mine? |
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| 17:08.44 | reto_ | ping? |
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| 17:11.02 | reto_ | is security.debian.org a bit slow atm? |
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| 17:11.43 | abrotman | possibly |
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| 17:14.56 | AbsintheSyringe | guys after years and years of kde, I'm moving to gnome, what is used on gnome instead of lisa? or lisa is being used again? |
| 17:15.06 | abrotman | lisa? |
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| 17:16.00 | dutchfish | lisa was caldera? |
| 17:16.17 | abrotman | lisa is a kde thing |
| 17:16.21 | AbsintheSyringe | yea, lisa lisa.sourceforge.net |
| 17:16.27 | AbsintheSyringe | yea what is gnome thing? |
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| 17:17.06 | abrotman | there's a gnome network manager |
| 17:17.22 | groomy | Hi! Can somebody to explain me how I can use DEB_BUILD_OPTS with apt-get? |
| 17:17.24 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, it takes care of lan? |
| 17:17.41 | abrotman | !info lisa etch |
| 17:17.50 | wols_ | lisa.sourceforge.net is a LISP environment. why can't you use that on gnome? and how doe sit support kde explicitly? |
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| 17:18.09 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: i guess i'm confused what it actually does |
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| 17:19.51 | dpkg | lisa: (LAN information server for KDE), section net, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-5 (etch), Packaged size: 168 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 17:20.12 | dutchfish | !sawfish |
| 17:20.12 | dpkg | hmm... sawfish is at http://sawmill.sourceforge.net, and really the coolest windowmanager out there, and the E killer, or still not as small and fast as fvwm2, or broken a lot, or a window-manager written and configurable in Lisp, or a window manager that 0wnz everyone, or a window manager that really rocks, or a fish with a long wobbly serrated nose, or discussed at #sawfish |
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| 17:20.40 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: well i don't know how it's provided .. but the nautilus thingie sees MS machines |
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| 17:20.49 | groomy | anybody use DEB_BUILD_OPTS ? |
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| 17:21.46 | stew | groomy: lots of people, just as your real question |
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| 17:23.37 | cusco_ | hello dudes |
| 17:23.44 | groomy | stew: I need to compile php with --disable-discard-path throw apt-get |
| 17:23.52 | cusco_ | I am comming to seek help with ddclient |
| 17:24.00 | webczat | which debian is newest? lenny or etch? |
| 17:24.04 | groomy | stew: how I can to show this key with DEB_BUILD_OPTS |
| 17:24.05 | groomy | ? |
| 17:24.09 | webczat | newer |
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| 17:24.16 | abrotman | webczat: etch is the newest release .. lenny is still testing |
| 17:24.30 | webczat | yes, i have this. |
| 17:25.19 | cusco_ | any body that uses ddclient has this trouble? works first time and then gives some randm error about some random line in the script ddclient? |
| 17:25.37 | groomy | stew: anyway I use this sudo apt-get install php5-cli php5-cgi |
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| 17:25.59 | cusco_ | how do I set permissions to a file so it cannot be changed? |
| 17:26.06 | groomy | stew: but php was compiled without --disable-discard-path |
| 17:26.26 | tralala | cusco_, chmod -w file |
| 17:26.29 | groomy | stew: I know that for this aim I need to use DEB_BUILD_OPTS |
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| 17:26.39 | tralala | or maybe a-w |
| 17:26.42 | abrotman | cusco_: you want to make the permissions unable to be changed or just the file ? |
| 17:26.49 | groomy | stew: But I don't know how? |
| 17:27.00 | webczat | my gnome doesn't work properly, for example: if i want to go to desktop, my gnome displays error. i have debian etch RC 0 |
| 17:27.20 | wols_ | webczat: then update? |
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| 17:27.33 | webczat | hmmm |
| 17:27.47 | cusco_ | just the file |
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| 17:27.52 | cusco_ | -w it is then |
| 17:28.01 | dutchfish | cusco_, or even root cant alter chattr +i test_file |
| 17:28.13 | cusco_ | thats the one dutchfish |
| 17:28.16 | cusco_ | tcheers |
| 17:29.12 | stew | groomy: you don't use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for that, you edit debian/rules ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 17:29.40 | webczat | what is dpkg bot? |
| 17:29.49 | tralala | dpkg, what are you? |
| 17:29.49 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:30.15 | webczat | ;P |
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| 17:31.24 | cusco_ | ddclient still has a unitialized value after first usage |
| 17:31.25 | cusco_ | damn |
| 17:32.03 | wols_ | cusco_: purge it, then reinstall? |
| 17:32.08 | wols_ | sounds like a bad file on your disk |
| 17:32.09 | cusco_ | did that manny times |
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| 17:33.08 | wols_ | unlikely ddclient would have such an error |
| 17:33.28 | dryrot | i wonder if virtualbox would boot Leopard |
| 17:33.32 | wols_ | or maybe use another client like ez-iüupdate. no shortage on them |
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| 17:35.37 | cusco_ | well it works fine first usage (after install) then there is a unitialized value on line 1973 |
| 17:35.45 | cusco_ | then I remove the package and install it |
| 17:35.49 | cusco_ | and works fine one time |
| 17:35.53 | dutchfish | dryrot, i havent succeded, but rumours are that it has be done |
| 17:36.04 | edgardoweb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWTvBAzJsPk&NR=1 |
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| 17:36.54 | maltepopalte | hi |
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| 17:37.13 | tralala | cusco_, testing/unstable? |
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| 17:37.43 | maltepopalte | I try to get my wlan working. it does not assign an ip automatically at startup - wpa-roam needs a manual method but why? |
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| 17:38.54 | wols_ | maltepopalte: what package is wpa-roam from? |
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| 17:39.48 | tralala | maltepopalte, are you sure you need wpa-roam? |
| 17:40.57 | maltepopalte | tralala it loads the wpa_supplicant.conf file |
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| 17:41.51 | _E-bola | with the bind included in etch cant you tell it to talk to a forwarder dns server on a port different than 53? |
| 17:42.21 | maltepopalte | tralala I just installed debian the first time today - I dont have a clue what this is all about. If I use wpa-roam which loads my config for wpa, I cant assign an IP statically. How can I circumvent that? |
| 17:42.23 | tralala | maltepopalte, use a wpa-conf line in interfaces |
| 17:42.33 | maltepopalte | tralala I try |
| 17:42.46 | xingu | _E-bola: forwarders ipv4_address port integer; |
| 17:42.51 | xingu | _E-bola: per named.conf(5) |
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| 17:43.29 | maltepopalte | tralala that was it |
| 17:43.45 | _E-bola | hmm i just searched that man page |
| 17:44.00 | xingu | _E-bola: have you installed bind8, or bind9? |
| 17:44.06 | _E-bola | bind |
| 17:44.14 | _E-bola | it didnt have a number next to it, so which ever is the default in etch |
| 17:44.18 | xingu | that's bind8; so possibly, no. |
| 17:44.19 | _E-bola | i think its version 8 |
| 17:44.29 | _E-bola | u couldnt specify a port before 9? |
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| 17:44.43 | xingu | bind9 has nicer lexical sugar; but worse performance, under some operating conditions. |
| 17:44.45 | _E-bola | because i couldnt find any information about specifying a port in my man page |
| 17:44.59 | _E-bola | i just need a local caching dns server |
| 17:45.02 | xingu | bind's pretty crap performance-wise anyway, so don't let that stop you (from using bind9) |
| 17:45.06 | _E-bola | which will direct certain lookups to my rbldnsd |
| 17:45.08 | bonez39 | is it safe to disconnect a keyboard, either from a running machine, or from a NON-POWERED KVM switch, or do I need to power down before simply replacing one keyboard with another? |
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| 17:46.04 | xingu | bonez39: usb, safe, at/xt, safe, ps/2, not safe. |
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| 17:47.11 | bonez39 | it's a USB interface...... |
| 17:47.39 | tralala | _E-bola, maybe dnsmasq can do |
| 17:47.46 | bonez39 | xingu: thanks....I guess it's safe then to assume that a ps/2 draws more power and thus is not advised to replace with power up? |
| 17:47.48 | xingu | should be fine then, bus is designed for hotplug, and driver stack should assume this |
| 17:48.14 | _E-bola | tralala: do you know how i can integrate dnsmasq with rbldnsd? |
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| 17:48.32 | xingu | bonez39: I can't remember the ins and outs, and it's an implemention specific detail in any case; suffice to say that hotplugging ps/2 interfaces will blow some ps/2 controllers. |
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| 17:48.48 | bonez39 | xingu: actually, it is ps/2...has the round plug.....the question then...I just need to switch to a machine I can easily switch off and back on...and then power that machine off....and then replace it? |
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| 17:49.01 | tralala | _E-bola, I don't even know what rbldnsd is |
| 17:49.07 | liquidbread | Does anyone know how to change the default latex from pdflatex ? |
| 17:49.19 | liquidbread | Besides changing the symlink... |
| 17:49.40 | _E-bola | its a small dns daemon to support RBL's (blacklist lists) |
| 17:50.04 | _E-bola | so i need a caching service which lets me use a specific forwarding dns server for specific domains |
| 17:50.12 | _E-bola | such that rbldnsd is used for certqain lookups |
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| 17:51.03 | abrotman | stew: regarding the man pages .. it says that it should be in the same package .. but not must/required ... i'm not sure it's really a policy bug |
| 17:51.04 | xingu | _E-bola: just use bind9 |
| 17:51.21 | _E-bola | xingu: i am... |
| 17:51.25 | _E-bola | installing it as we speak |
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| 17:51.58 | _E-bola | im a bit scared about installing a dns server hehe |
| 17:52.06 | _E-bola | ive heard so many rumours about bind being vunerable |
| 17:52.15 | _E-bola | and ive never had to install one before in 7 years of debian life |
| 17:52.16 | _E-bola | :) |
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| 17:53.00 | node_6 | are etch amd64 default installs typically slow to boot? |
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| 17:53.24 | DawnLight | _E-bola: dnsmasq is a snap to configure but i've heard it less suitible for big networks |
| 17:53.37 | edgardoweb | q re lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQK2ttesWg&feature=related |
| 17:53.56 | _E-bola | i think ile just stick with bind9 for now |
| 17:54.05 | bwlang | i'm building a custom kernel with a few patches for disk head parking... while reading the make-kpkg man page i see various options for --added-patches, --revision, --append to... but i don't understand which i should use. any guidance? |
| 17:54.06 | _E-bola | i should ahve plenty of ressources anyway so i dont mind its performance |
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| 17:54.32 | dutchfish | is there any front-end glue in etch for asterisk? |
| 17:54.34 | tralala | bwlang, /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 17:54.43 | xingu | bonez39: a quick bash at "I-can't-believe-it's-not-gospel"-Wikipedia confirms; ps/2 interface has no buffering between the peripheral and the ps/2 microcontroller, and the connector is not make-before-break; so hotplugging _may_ be fatal, but won't _always_ be. |
| 17:54.50 | bwlang | _E-bola: don't do it don't do it... i've used djbdns and dnsmasq... both are superior |
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| 17:55.14 | xingu | bonez39: if that's an acceptable risk, then go for it; but if it bbq's you this one time, don't say you weren't warned. :) |
| 17:55.19 | _E-bola | bwlang: superior how? |
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| 17:56.29 | bwlang | tralala: that helps a bit... but doesn't address the added-patches bit. do you know what that's for? |
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| 17:56.48 | bwlang | _E-bola: easier to configure, use less resources, fewer bugs |
| 17:57.02 | petemc | bwlang: i dont think thats true at all |
| 17:57.03 | bonez39 | xingu: thanks.... |
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| 17:57.07 | abrotman | bind9 isn't exactly hard to configure |
| 17:57.12 | abrotman | well .. for simple things ayways |
| 17:57.25 | _E-bola | bind sems quite straight forward to confdigure |
| 17:57.28 | petemc | it is |
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| 17:58.01 | bwlang | abrotman: yeah - for simple things... but if you want to do something like resolve internal hosts it's easier to shoot yourslef in the foot with bind. |
| 17:58.06 | abrotman | it is? |
| 17:58.10 | tralala | bwlang, if you have already patched the sources successfully, all you need is to compile |
| 17:58.13 | xingu | where bind (and, for that matter djbdns) are both busted, is on the slow path; if you feed bind 4k+ RD queries a second, it swandives |
| 17:58.14 | _E-bola | how do i make bind9 only listen on 127.0.0.1?` |
| 17:58.19 | _E-bola | i dont want it open from the outside world |
| 17:58.27 | xingu | I forget exactly where the limit is for djbdns, but it's within an order of magnitude |
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| 17:58.31 | _E-bola | i see both an interface var, listen-on and listen-on-v6 |
| 17:58.38 | abrotman | _E-bola: you don't want it to listen for any requests ? |
| 17:58.40 | abrotman | at all? |
| 17:58.41 | xingu | as for handling tcp queries, fuggedaboutit |
| 17:58.44 | abrotman | (other than localhost) |
| 17:58.48 | _E-bola | abortman: only local requests |
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| 17:58.57 | _E-bola | its a caching server for a local mailscanner |
| 17:59.01 | tralala | _E-bola, you likely want to bind it to the LAN address not lo |
| 17:59.06 | _E-bola | so i only want it accessible from the server it runs on |
| 17:59.07 | xingu | _E-bola: listen-on |
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| 17:59.14 | _E-bola | tralala: why? |
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| 17:59.16 | masus | hi all, how to install debian etch on raid1 |
| 17:59.35 | _E-bola | if i bind it tot he lan address its not local? |
| 17:59.38 | Nyle | isn't it covered inthe installatio manual? |
| 17:59.41 | Nyle | !ig |
| 17:59.41 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 17:59.43 | tralala | _E-bola, oh okay, if it's only local lo is fine |
| 18:00.16 | Maenad | when installing debian, if i choose Mail Server in the list, will it actually give me a real mail server (pop3 and everything) that i can give to people as emailaddy@mycompany.com ? |
| 18:00.41 | Maenad | .. and then it will be compatible with other mail servers like gmail and hotmail and yahoo, etc? |
| 18:01.16 | xingu | _E-bola: just listen-on port .. { 127.0.0.1/8; }; |
| 18:01.35 | tralala | Maenad, most likely yes |
| 18:01.42 | Maenad | wow |
| 18:01.49 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
| 18:02.05 | tralala | Maenad, of course, you'll need to set a few things up |
| 18:02.21 | xingu | _E-bola: you probably also want either listen-on-v6 port .. { ::1; }; or listen-on-v6 port .. { none; }; |
| 18:02.27 | abrotman | masus: swraid or hwraid? |
| 18:02.44 | Maenad | tralala: like? |
| 18:02.54 | masus | abrotman:hw |
| 18:03.05 | abrotman | masus: you set that up in raid controller |
| 18:03.12 | masus | i have set it up |
| 18:03.17 | _E-bola | xingu: thanks |
| 18:03.24 | masus | but i want to install debian now , but i see both scsi hd's |
| 18:03.27 | xingu | _E-bola: more correctly, ::1/128; |
| 18:03.28 | _E-bola | i was just now browsing to see how to disable listening on ipv6 |
| 18:03.29 | abrotman | masus: what raid controller ? |
| 18:03.33 | _E-bola | i thought just removing the line woudl be enough |
| 18:03.37 | xingu | nope |
| 18:03.38 | masus | nvidia |
| 18:03.45 | xingu | default is listen on all ipv6 interfaces |
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| 18:03.55 | abrotman | masus: i doubt that's real raid |
| 18:04.03 | tralala | Maenad, mail server parameters, for example relay hosts |
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| 18:04.15 | Maenad | tralala: okay much beyond me then |
| 18:04.39 | tralala | in this case you shouldn't be setting up a corporate mail server |
| 18:05.16 | wols_ | masus: what raid controller is it? |
| 18:05.38 | masus | one mom, i'll take a look |
| 18:06.10 | _E-bola | xingu: listen-on-v6 { none; }; dont apewar to be enough to stop listneing on ipv6 |
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| 18:06.34 | wols_ | PhrkOnLsh_out: don't do that in here |
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| 18:07.08 | tralala | !tell PhrkOnLsh_out -about away |
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| 18:07.46 | xingu | _E-bola: sounds busticated; it does here |
| 18:07.55 | xingu | _E-bola: you did invoke-rc.d bind9 restart ? |
| 18:08.04 | edgardoweb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rQgA4IZrj0&feature=related |
| 18:08.32 | _E-bola | yes |
| 18:08.32 | abrotman | edgardoweb: stop doing that |
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| 18:08.47 | _E-bola | hmm http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/DNS_-_Bind9 states u need to edit /etc/default/bind |
| 18:08.51 | masus | NVIDIA RAID IDE ROM BIOS 4 84 / NVIDIA MIRROR |
| 18:08.53 | _E-bola | vi /etc/default/bind9 |
| 18:08.53 | _E-bola | OPTIONS="-4 -u bind" |
| 18:08.53 | _E-bola | //-4 = to use ipv4 only. |
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| 18:09.13 | xingu | _E-bola: hmm, seems misdiagnosed; check your syslog. |
| 18:09.21 | wols_ | masus: that's no RAID controller. it's fakeraid. use software raid |
| 18:09.31 | xingu | _E-bola: and check for a false +ve match, the ndc port is #953... |
| 18:09.40 | edgardoweb | abrotman: :S |
| 18:09.45 | masus | ok howto install debian on sw raid |
| 18:09.49 | stew | abrotman: yeah. and that policy isn't being enforced anyway. |
| 18:09.54 | _E-bola | I'm sory... i dont knwo what ndc is... |
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| 18:10.01 | _E-bola | but it is indeed 964 its listening on |
| 18:10.02 | abrotman | stew: so filing bugs on that is kind of .. useless |
| 18:10.30 | masus | do i have to create both hd's manual ? |
| 18:10.46 | stew | abrotman: well i'd argue that they should either move the manpage or add a lintian override |
| 18:11.12 | wols_ | masus: nyle already told you |
| 18:11.13 | tralala | masus, check out the fine installation guide + the official wiki |
| 18:11.37 | _E-bola | adding -4 to bind under default solved it... |
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| 18:11.49 | Nyle | who beeped me |
| 18:11.52 | Nyle | oh hmm |
| 18:12.04 | tralala | Nyle, beeeep |
| 18:12.08 | Nyle | word |
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| 18:12.19 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.37 | Nyle | that totally floods my entire screen so i don't do it no more |
| 18:12.49 | petemc | you're too popular |
| 18:12.50 | wols_ | petemc: when you run NX, what kind of session do you use? |
| 18:12.53 | Nyle | i just look up, I have a specific color for an entir eline in my hilights |
| 18:12.57 | petemc | wols_: gnome |
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| 18:13.06 | masus | ok thanks .. |
| 18:13.08 | Nyle | hmm, I use kde |
| 18:13.09 | tralala | Nyle, lastlog has limit |
| 18:13.14 | Nyle | tralala: i don't know ! |
| 18:13.16 | wols_ | and it simply run "startgnome" then or whateevr gnome uses? |
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| 18:13.29 | tralala | Nyle, you do now |
| 18:13.32 | Nyle | wols_: i would immagine so |
| 18:13.36 | petemc | wols_: im presume so, its always "just worked" |
| 18:13.41 | petemc | s/im/i/ |
| 18:13.57 | wols_ | petemc: your NX server has keyboard, mouse, etc? |
| 18:14.07 | petemc | plugged in? no |
| 18:14.23 | dutchfish | is there any front-end glue in etch for asterisk? |
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| 18:15.08 | Nyle | tralala: my friendly dude man homie bro, how do you specify that |
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| 18:15.34 | Nyle | is it -count or just specify a # |
| 18:15.34 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:15.39 | xingu | _E-bola: controls { inet 127.0.0.1 allow { 127.0.0.1; } }; |
| 18:15.42 | Nyle | cuz its not working |
| 18:15.43 | tralala | just a number |
| 18:15.46 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:15.48 | Nyle | hm |
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| 18:16.06 | _E-bola | xingu: ? |
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| 18:17.54 | ribnitz | heyas people; how do I get my terminal to display those special characters (like ae..) |
| 18:18.13 | xingu | _E-bola: sorry, to stop it listening for the rndc control port on ::/0#953, you need to define a controls stanza |
| 18:18.34 | _E-bola | xingu: ahhh ok, well one other way seemed to be to add -4 to the startup options |
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| 18:18.35 | tralala | ribnitz, use a unicode capable terminal, font and locale |
| 18:18.40 | xingu | _E-bola: for eg; controls {\n inet 127.0.0.1 allow { 127.0.0.1; };\n};\n |
| 18:18.57 | xingu | _E-bola: as I said, misdiagnosis; it abounds, when it comes to bind. |
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| 18:19.45 | ribnitz | trala: "Terminal" |
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| 18:20.21 | tims | i have etch installed on my labtop and while traveling how can i recive mails from three diffrent vps's? |
| 18:20.49 | _E-bola | In general im a bit anoyed that there doesnt apear to be an easy simple way to disable ipv6 support completely in debian |
| 18:21.09 | wols_ | tims: install an imap or pop3 server on the VPS |
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| 18:22.07 | xingu | _E-bola: why would you want to? |
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| 18:22.29 | _E-bola | xingu: to get rid of the extra lines i various conf files, and from the output of netstat |
| 18:22.34 | shriphani | is anyone using the d3a theme ? |
| 18:22.39 | _E-bola | when im not using ipv6 in anyway, its just junk information |
| 18:22.41 | tims | wols_ i have got pop3 running postfix on all three vps's |
| 18:23.30 | xingu | _E-bola: it's your funeral; personally, I'd prefer a toggle to kill ipv4 |
| 18:23.47 | _E-bola | lol, thats not quite likely to happen anytime soon :) |
| 18:24.06 | _E-bola | what can you reach without using ipv4, 0,1% of the internet? |
| 18:24.15 | tims | wols_ thats pop3 installed as part of the postfix setup |
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| 18:24.35 | wols_ | tims: postfix has nothing to do with pop3. nothing at all |
| 18:24.35 | h3sp4wn | _E-bola: all of it using a gateway |
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| 18:24.55 | wols_ | and if you have pop3, so what's the problem? |
| 18:24.59 | _E-bola | gateway's/bridgning orwhateve ru wanna call it, all uses ipv4 |
| 18:25.19 | _E-bola | damn my keyboard sux :) |
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| 18:26.06 | tims | wols_ the only thing is that most of the mail sent to the admins of the vp's is done via tls static ip to static ip, but still i could catch the massages coming in via pop3 |
| 18:26.19 | Hoxzer | ok, guys what was that partition that works on command line but has menu based UI (like kernel menuconfig) and is also similar to those in ubuntu and debian install ? |
| 18:26.31 | dutchfish | xingu, still having a gap in my knowledge about ipv6. is there any good tutor on firewalling, so i can leave nat? |
| 18:26.37 | Hoxzer | partition +manager+ |
| 18:26.50 | wols_ | Hoxzer: cfdisk |
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| 18:27.03 | xingu | dutchfish: you'll be pushing the proverbial uphill, there; the goal is to bring back end to end connectivity. |
| 18:27.34 | dutchfish | xingu, ok ok, but still |
| 18:27.37 | xingu | dutchfish: oh, so you can *kill* nat; well there's not much to learn |
| 18:27.40 | tims | wols_ my ip address on my labtop is not static but still as you said they can be sent to me via pop3 |
| 18:28.07 | xingu | dutchfish: if you're .eu based, go sign up a test account with sixxs.net and install aiccu to access it |
| 18:28.13 | xingu | dutchfish: then, learn by doing. |
| 18:28.32 | dutchfish | xingu, i am eu based, is it expensive to do so? |
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| 18:28.56 | dutchfish | xingu, love to learn it |
| 18:29.05 | xingu | dutchfish: not really too much to get a handle on; ::1/128 is loopback, fe80:: is link-local, fec0:: is the unholy and despised (deprecated by now, probably) site-local. |
| 18:29.14 | xingu | dutchfish: free as in zero cost |
| 18:29.26 | dutchfish | xingu, gone delv into, for sure |
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| 18:30.46 | xingu | dutchfish: sixxs/aiccu will spin you up a 6in4 tunnel with global connectivity; configure "heartbeat" tunnel method seems to work well. |
| 18:31.24 | dutchfish | xingu, i am just missing the knowledge for implementing a firewall, would it be bridge based? and yes i am thinking of 6in4 |
| 18:31.25 | xingu | dutchfish: iptables6 is the equivalency for iptables; the old knowledge about ports and flow directions maps directly |
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| 18:32.00 | dutchfish | xingu, sounds easy enough then, and bye bye nat |
| 18:32.04 | xingu | dutchfish: plan for a scenario where your protected hosts are using globally routable addresses |
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| 18:32.54 | xingu | dutchfish: once you get that up to speed - bug your provider for native uplink. |
| 18:32.56 | dutchfish | xingu, and performance (i known i will loose a bit)? |
| 18:33.44 | dutchfish | xingu, alrady bugged my provider, answer: we will experiment with it in 2008 |
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| 18:34.02 | xingu | dutchfish: on your end, there's some protocol overhead (header length is larger); via tunnel, it'll add latency, and probably be shaped at the far end |
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| 18:34.22 | cusco_ | tralala: sorry. yes testing! |
| 18:34.25 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 18:34.27 | dutchfish | xingu, that i am a bit worried about |
| 18:34.47 | xingu | dutchfish: also, 6in4 is decapsulated on the route processor on most platforms today |
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| 18:34.59 | dutchfish | xingu, for the rest i would prefer to have it |
| 18:35.04 | xingu | dutchfish: so under contention, forwarding performance suffers |
| 18:35.29 | karmatronic | anyone using xmms2 and having an idea of a good cli ? |
| 18:35.47 | dutchfish | xingu, thx again for all the tips! |
| 18:35.48 | xingu | dutchfish: it doesn't cost you anything to have a test tunnel up; and there's nothing stopping you moving the near-side over to pure ipv6 |
| 18:36.11 | dutchfish | xingu, i surely gone try |
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| 18:36.28 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Can Debian rescue windows? |
| 18:36.40 | xingu | dutchfish: goethe is ipv6 capable, on freenode. |
| 18:36.49 | dutchfish | xingu, cool |
| 18:36.56 | DawnLight | I-hate-irc-and-c: it can replace it |
| 18:37.12 | tralala | I-hate-irc-and-c, it can rescue your pc from it |
| 18:38.31 | bwlang | I-hate-irc-and-c: you're probably looking for something else - try 'resuce is possible' ti |
| 18:39.05 | DawnLight | or debian.exe |
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| 18:53.49 | marinosi | hello ..I 've got a laptop with ipw3945 wificard.I 've loaded once ipwraw module and unloaded ipw3945 and since then ipwraw is always loaded on boot!How can I find which script loads ipwraw?!I do grep -irn ipwraw /etc but it returns nothing..I tried also to blacklist the module but again nothing... |
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| 18:55.27 | simonrvn | /etc/udev/*; /etc/modules ? |
| 18:55.28 | thruxton | marinosi: did you rmmod ipwraw? |
| 18:55.35 | simonrvn | modprobe -r |
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| 18:57.01 | marinosi | yes I know how to remove it manually |
| 18:57.03 | Wu | hi at all...anyone has notice about Avant Window Navigator running on an etch configuration (with compiz fusion already installed...)? |
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| 18:57.14 | marinosi | The matter is that every time I reboot it gets loaded! |
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| 18:57.25 | simonrvn | /etc/udev/*; /etc/modules ? |
| 18:57.32 | node_6 | does the nvidia package not install 32-bit opengl support? |
| 18:57.34 | abrotman | !initramfs-blacklist |
| 18:57.36 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 18:58.05 | acu | I am trying to install debian on HP Pavillion with 17 screen AMD64 - I downloaded the kmoto kernel 2.63. - however I cannot start gdm - can anyone help me hout |
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| 18:58.12 | I-hate-irc-and-c | A file in windows is damaged, can I replace a winxp pro with debian? |
| 18:58.16 | abrotman | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:58.17 | dpkg | blacklist-initramfs is, like, If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 18:58.26 | marinosi | simonrvn: grep -irn ipwraw /etc returns nothing , so there is no entry in it |
| 18:58.28 | simonrvn | node_6: there is no 'nvidia' package, there's several nvidia related packages |
| 18:58.31 | abrotman | I-hate-irc-and-c: sure .. but that won't help you recover that file |
| 18:58.35 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Can it do vpn, wpa tkip eap, windows 2003 server thinks |
| 18:58.42 | I-hate-irc-and-c | ? |
| 18:58.48 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Is it easy to setup? |
| 18:59.19 | marinosi | abrotman: So I have to blacklist the module in order to not be loaded?And if i want to load it manual later is there any problem? |
| 18:59.27 | dimir | Troll? |
| 19:00.00 | I-hate-irc-and-c | No |
| 19:00.04 | I-hate-irc-and-c | I need help. |
| 19:00.19 | krebis | hi people, where the pack binutils is installde in etch ???!!! /usr/local/bin ??? its correct ??? |
| 19:00.25 | I-hate-irc-and-c | My school uses windows. I don't. And they wont give me any support on linux. |
| 19:00.33 | marinosi | abrotman: and also , I use a custom kernel |
| 19:00.42 | I-hate-irc-and-c | So I need to know if I can do what I need to. |
| 19:00.59 | simonrvn | krebis: /usr/bin; /usr/local/bin is for local stuff |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | krebis: dpkg -L binutils |
| 19:01.28 | I-hate-irc-and-c | I need printers and files from a windows 2003 server. I also need wpa, with eap and tkip, and vpn. Does debian support this? |
| 19:01.37 | marinosi | how can ipwraw not loaded by any script?Isn't that stupid? |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | marinosi: welcome to udev |
| 19:01.46 | simonrvn | I-hate-irc-and-c: honestly, there's little you can't do on a linux-based os. just need imagination, software, and skills |
| 19:01.50 | wols_ | I-hate-irc-and-c: it does but not the way you want. stay with windows |
| 19:02.08 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Why not the way I want? |
| 19:02.11 | krebis | thanks simonrvn, abrotman :) |
| 19:02.17 | I-hate-irc-and-c | I don't need printer, and files. |
| 19:02.25 | wols_ | cause you need to learn too much to make it worthwhile for you |
| 19:02.30 | I-hate-irc-and-c | I just need internet through wpa, |
| 19:02.51 | marinosi | abrotman: lol :-) .Do you know how can I blacklist-initramfs if I use a custom kernel ?dpkg -i "kernel_image"? |
| 19:03.06 | abrotman | dunno .. it's your kernel :) |
| 19:03.07 | wols_ | marinosi: of course you can |
| 19:03.35 | marinosi | wols_: how?with the way I told?Install the kernel image again? |
| 19:04.03 | Torgo | I'm back... still trying to get sarge floppies working on an old ThinkPad. |
| 19:04.09 | abrotman | woody! |
| 19:04.12 | Torgo | (or again, rather) |
| 19:04.16 | Torgo | Really? |
| 19:04.20 | wols_ | marinosi: if it's a kernel-package image, yes |
| 19:04.22 | abrotman | that machine is so old |
| 19:04.39 | Torgo | I tried the slackware floppies, which I got booted and networking going, but of course debootstrap needs more than that. |
| 19:05.08 | h3sp4wn | Torgo: it needs /bin/sh that is all |
| 19:05.36 | h3sp4wn | and wget and binutils |
| 19:05.45 | acu | I get the following message XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer ) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining - what does it mean how can i fix it ? |
| 19:05.52 | Torgo | h3s[4wn, when I run debootstrap, it says "E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source" |
| 19:05.58 | Torgo | h3sp4wn |
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| 19:09.24 | streuner | Maulkin: the referee decided that france and italy go to EM, bad decisions, sheat! |
| 19:09.44 | thruxton | streuner: yeah, what a crappy call |
| 19:09.53 | edgardoweb | http://wiki.gusl.org.ve/index.php?title=POS |
| 19:10.05 | streuner | thruxton: not only that last decision was bad... |
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| 19:10.33 | abrotman | edgardoweb: if you do that again i'm going to report you as a spammer |
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| 19:11.00 | edgardoweb | abrotman: Wiki Linux troll |
| 19:11.13 | abrotman | edgardoweb: do it elsewhere |
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| 19:14.10 | streuner | thruxton: they (UEFA) want that italy and france go to EM, money rules... |
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| 19:15.09 | ZeroCool | hey ya fucking niggaz! |
| 19:15.24 | streuner | !ops ZeroCool want leave us |
| 19:15.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: ZeroCool want leave us |
| 19:15.41 | ZeroCool | wazzap? ho's ? |
| 19:15.46 | simonrvn | ZeroCool: shut up moron |
| 19:16.02 | ZeroCool | simonrvn: fuck off biaach |
| 19:16.17 | simonrvn | i'm no one's bitch, now kiss off asswipe |
| 19:16.30 | ZeroCool | simonrvn: wonna suck my dick? |
| 19:16.34 | streuner | ZeroCool: go away! |
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| 19:16.42 | simonrvn | you're not my type dickshit |
| 19:16.48 | thruxton | streuner: I hope your wrong :) sad if that was the case |
| 19:16.52 | ZeroCool | streuner: go to suck |
| 19:17.02 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 19:17.02 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:17.09 | marinosi | wols_: dpkg -i _my_kernel_image does not fix the problem..The module loads on boot again...:S |
| 19:17.18 | ZeroCool | test |
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| 19:17.28 | streuner | thruxton: its almost always so, F1 is even worser |
| 19:17.37 | ZeroCool | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck f |
| 19:17.37 | ZeroCool | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
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| 19:17.49 | simonrvn | racist idiot... |
| 19:17.50 | abrotman | yay staff! |
| 19:17.55 | simonrvn | woot! |
| 19:17.58 | Daveman | abrotman ftw! |
| 19:18.03 | abrotman | i'm not staff |
| 19:18.05 | bjk | is it possible to have dhclient request a specific IP from a dhcp server? |
| 19:18.06 | Daveman | oh, or me :) |
| 19:18.19 | streuner | bjk: sure |
| 19:18.25 | bjk | streuner: how? |
| 19:18.28 | simonrvn | ha, he left the chicken shit |
| 19:18.29 | abrotman | bjk: many dhcp servers have the ability to give out IPs based on MAC |
| 19:18.33 | streuner | bjk: say that to your dhcp-client |
| 19:18.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: he got klined |
| 19:18.41 | abrotman | oh . no he didn't |
| 19:18.42 | Daveman | Yep |
| 19:18.45 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 19:18.51 | simonrvn | even better |
| 19:19.04 | bjk | abrotman: do you know the protocol option off-hand? |
| 19:19.11 | acu | Can anyone help I get the following message XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer ) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining - what does it mean how can i fix it |
| 19:19.12 | marinosi | anyone has an idea how to update initrd not to read blacklist.local? |
| 19:19.13 | abrotman | bjk: it depends on the dhcp server |
| 19:19.14 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Can knetworkmanager easilly use wpa? |
| 19:19.31 | I-hate-irc-and-c | or do I have to edit a shitload of files? |
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| 19:19.38 | streuner | bjk: via /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 19:19.41 | Daveman | yum |
| 19:19.44 | mrrcp | How can i change my openvpn ip address |
| 19:19.50 | briareus | I ran an: aptitude search gkrell ...to find a package with gkrellm themes. I found none. Anyone know of one in apt? If not I will go get the tar with them all, I'm just curious |
| 19:19.52 | ompaul | bjk, it is more normal to have a specific dhcp server talk to a particular machine where it has the dns name mac address and ip in a little section all to itself |
| 19:19.59 | bjk | streuner: didn't see anything in the manual page |
| 19:20.20 | thruxton | bjk: man dhcp-options it think might help |
| 19:20.25 | ompaul | bjk, to have a particular machine choose its up stream would be a bit of fun |
| 19:20.34 | simonrvn | apologies for the language |
| 19:20.51 | abrotman | briareus: apt-cache search gkrel |
| 19:21.06 | briareus | ah, more general search? |
| 19:21.06 | streuner | bjk: /etc/dhclient.conf -> #alias { ;# interface "eth0"; ;# fixed-address 192.5.5.213; |
| 19:21.20 | bjk | streuner: ahh good. thanks |
| 19:21.34 | briareus | ok, same result, so its not in apt |
| 19:21.55 | marinosi | Is there any replacement for udev? |
| 19:22.06 | h3sp4wn | marinosi: hotplug2 or mdev |
| 19:22.06 | streuner | not really |
| 19:22.19 | streuner | marinosi: whats wrong with udev? |
| 19:22.34 | streuner | its working like a charm in Debian |
| 19:22.46 | marinosi | it 's stupid to do things alone that I don't want to... |
| 19:23.05 | marinosi | I have 2 modules for the same card, I load one from an rc script and it loads the other |
| 19:23.11 | bjk | streuner: what about the initial address without the alias? |
| 19:23.15 | marinosi | for some reason and I do not want to |
| 19:23.30 | streuner | !blacklist |
| 19:23.30 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 19:23.51 | marinosi | streuner: did it |
| 19:23.56 | marinosi | .. |
| 19:24.37 | streuner | bjk: read /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 19:25.54 | Appiah | Can anyone recommend a ftpserver thats not vsftpd or proftpd? :P |
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| 19:26.20 | \amethyst | Appiah: pure-ftpd ? |
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| 19:26.38 | Appiah | I'll give that one a try |
| 19:26.42 | briareus | are there alternate lists for apt? sort of like the non-free and rejected lists in other distro repos? |
| 19:26.42 | streuner | marinosi: if you running a custom kernel, why not just throw the other module out? |
| 19:26.43 | Appiah | thanks \amethyst |
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| 19:27.47 | wols_ | briareus: of course there are. anyone can host his own apt repo if he so wishes |
| 19:27.58 | frederick85 | i'v been trying to get wpa_supplicant and dhclient to get my eth2 network connection working but the guides online are leading me in the wrong places |
| 19:28.01 | \amethyst | briareus: There are non-free and contrib, but those are components rather than repositories |
| 19:28.08 | briareus | wols_: well, any notable ones people like? |
| 19:28.26 | \amethyst | briareus: debian-multimedia is popular, though possibly illegal in the US |
| 19:28.27 | briareus | I don't know the difference between components and repositories |
| 19:28.35 | \amethyst | (because of patents) |
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| 19:29.58 | marinosi | streuner: I use it sometimes..I just don't want it to load at boot..I have ipw3945 for wifi use and sometimes I use ipwraw. |
| 19:30.05 | frederick85 | how do I make wpa_supplicant start at boot and eth2 to dhcp |
| 19:30.23 | marinosi | streuner: I do not want ipwraw to load on boot |
| 19:31.02 | I-hate-irc-and-c | can I boot ultimate boot cd from grub? how? |
| 19:31.57 | nkuttler | I-hate-irc-and-c: tell your bios to boot from cd |
| 19:32.04 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Screw bios |
| 19:32.12 | I-hate-irc-and-c | I need bios password first |
| 19:32.17 | I-hate-irc-and-c | from ultimate boot cd |
| 19:33.37 | nkuttler | I-hate-irc-and-c: hm, don't think that's possible. alternatively take the battery out of the box, wait a day or so, put it back in. |
| 19:33.55 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Laptop |
| 19:34.28 | Mark17 | how can i change it so that it starts by default with an other kernel? |
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| 19:34.54 | Entrophy | when someone makes a default installation of etch as a server, without any modifications that aren't necessary, does etch create the 5% reserve for the ext{2,3} partitions? |
| 19:35.00 | nkuttler | I-hate-irc-and-c: hm, google bios master password for your board |
| 19:35.07 | abrotman | Entrophy: yes |
| 19:35.08 | Eulex | I-hate-irc-and-c, http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Chainloading_a_bootable_CD-ROM_from_GRUB |
| 19:35.13 | frederick85 | anybody know my question |
| 19:35.33 | Mark17 | how can i change it so that it starts by default with an other kernel? boatloader: grub, debian version: 4.0r1 |
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| 19:36.01 | Entrophy | and if that 5% is in place, and the /tmp partition gains a file that fills up the remaining HDD space, will it _completely_destroy_ and shutdown the server? |
| 19:36.05 | Entrophy | I don't think so |
| 19:36.20 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Eulex: debian wont boot |
| 19:36.22 | Torgo | anyone know where I can get woody boot floppis? |
| 19:36.24 | Torgo | +e |
| 19:36.30 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Mainly because it isnt installed |
| 19:36.34 | abrotman | Torgo: i pasted it earlier |
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| 19:36.41 | marek` | can i run kernel 2.6.22.5 with a debian release? |
| 19:36.49 | marek` | does it matter which release? |
| 19:36.52 | abrotman | http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-3.0/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 19:36.55 | Torgo | crap. I know. But I saw a list of 20 images. Is that right? |
| 19:37.00 | Torgo | thanks |
| 19:37.12 | Torgo | ah MUCH better. |
| 19:37.19 | nkuttler | Mark17: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:37.32 | Entrophy | could a full HDD w/ reserved blocks still shut down if the HDD was filled by a process other than root? |
| 19:37.34 | Eulex | I-hate-irc-and-c, can you boot a floppy? |
| 19:37.38 | abrotman | Torgo: you'll have to make your own sources.list that use archive.debian.org |
| 19:37.41 | I-hate-irc-and-c | No |
| 19:37.43 | Kurt_ | Hi. I installled mailgraph and that is a .cgi, is there a way to let the cgi-dir be outside apache doc-root and still show the graphs? as in host.domain.com/graph instead of host.domain.com/cgi-bin/graph.cgi ? |
| 19:37.48 | Eulex | I-hate-irc-and-c, then you're SOL |
| 19:38.07 | I-hate-irc-and-c | Can't I use grub console to boot cd? |
| 19:38.17 | Torgo | abrotman: where's the boot.bin? |
| 19:38.46 | marek` | anyone? |
| 19:38.49 | abrotman | Torgo: images-1.44 ? |
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| 19:39.35 | Torgo | abrotman: ok... but then which do I boot from? Rescue.bin? |
| 19:39.44 | xingu | ooh err, new nvidia upstream |
| 19:39.55 | Torgo | you think compact would work? |
| 19:39.57 | marek` | I-hate-irc-and-c, just put in the CD and in your bios set it to boot from the CD first, then u can install |
| 19:40.05 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:40.13 | Eulex | I-hate-irc-and-c, you could try http://www.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t21605.html |
| 19:40.34 | I-hate-irc-and-c | marek: bios password |
| 19:40.48 | Eulex | I-hate-irc-and-c, but if that doesn't work: no, you can't. |
| 19:40.49 | marek` | if u dont know bios password then u probably shouldnt be installing anything on that computer |
| 19:40.58 | marek` | bekuz someone specifically doenst want u to |
| 19:41.31 | Torgo | abrotman, great. making floppies now. |
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| 19:41.40 | marek` | i'm not sure but i think only way to reset bios password is to pop out the cmos battery on your motherboard |
| 19:41.46 | marek` | (then replace it) |
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| 19:42.49 | marek` | so can you run debian with a 2.6.22.5 kernel? |
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| 19:43.43 | spanther | !ipw3045 |
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| 19:43.48 | spanther | !ipw3945 |
| 19:43.48 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d". |
| 19:44.07 | Eulex | marek`, yes. is 2.6.18 new enough for you to install with? if so, just install debian, then install the newer kernel. |
| 19:44.30 | marek` | can i apt-get the newer one? |
| 19:44.45 | Torgo | abrotman, is that a glass of beer? |
| 19:44.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:44.56 | Torgo | at the top of the woody bootscreen... |
| 19:45.01 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 19:45.04 | Eulex | marek`, not automatically when running stable. there is a 2.6.22 kernel at backports.org, though. |
| 19:45.08 | Torgo | tux is holding a drink |
| 19:45.14 | pramz | anyone know which repository has mysql-server-4.1 for etch ? The one in the etch repos is a transitional package to the 5.x series |
| 19:45.21 | marek` | Eulex, i'm running etch i think |
| 19:45.32 | marek` | Eulex, either etch or lenny.. not sure |
| 19:45.43 | marek` | Eulex, its lenny, sorry |
| 19:45.46 | Eulex | marek`, lenny has 2.6.22, so then just apt-get it. |
| 19:45.52 | I-hate-irc-and-c | What is the name for my cd rom in grub? |
| 19:45.58 | marek` | Eulex, but it doesnt have 2.6.22.5 |
| 19:46.13 | Eulex | Torgo, it's perhaps the debian official use logo? |
| 19:46.18 | Eulex | Torgo, http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | might be coffee |
| 19:46.27 | Torgo | abrotman, well it found the root disk, so it looks like there is a bug in later distros... and my floppy is bad. bah. |
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| 19:46.36 | Eulex | marek`, how do you tell? |
| 19:46.51 | marek` | Eulex, i see 2.6.22-2 |
| 19:47.15 | Torgo | eulex, no. I've booted woody, and once it starts, there's an icon at the top of the screen. It's tux holding what looks like a big glass of beer. |
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| 19:47.22 | spherez | someone know how to open a file .jis with debian ? |
| 19:48.11 | ribnitz | spherez: was does file say? |
| 19:48.14 | Eulex | marek`, -2 is not a kernel version number, it's the revision of the debian kernel package with that kernel package. 2.6.22-2 may be any 2.6.22 kernel. but you should really update to the 2.6.22-4 kernel. a moment, I will look up whether it's 2.6.22.5 or newer. |
| 19:48.22 | Eulex | Torgo, oh. heh. |
| 19:48.38 | marek` | Eulex, thanks! |
| 19:49.23 | spherez | the file have the extention .jis i don't invent nothing : .jis |
| 19:49.27 | spherez | ribnitz, |
| 19:49.29 | Eulex | marek`, 2.6.22-2 is actually 2.6.22.1. 2.6.22-4 is 2.6.22.2 |
| 19:50.04 | marek` | Eulex, can i download .5 from kernel.org? |
| 19:50.08 | marek` | will that work if i do it? |
| 19:50.18 | Eulex | marek`, it would. |
| 19:50.35 | Eulex | marek`, why do you specifically need 2.6.22.5? |
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| 19:50.53 | marek` | i want to install mosix but the kernel patch in the software is for kernel .5 |
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| 19:51.47 | Eulex | marek`, ok. you'll have to compile your kernel anyway, so sure, you could get your kernel source from kernel.org |
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| 19:52.04 | gamag | I have a binary machine code for 8086, generated using ld --oformat binary. How can I disassemble this into 8086 assembly codes using objdump? objdump -d -mi8086 file.bin - what other options do I need to add? |
| 19:52.06 | marek` | opk cool |
| 19:52.18 | Eulex | marek`, in any case, no debian kernel package was released with 2.6.22.5. nearest is 2.6.22-3 which was based on 2.6.22.6. |
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| 19:52.21 | marek` | are there any instructions for compiling and installing the new kernel? |
| 19:52.50 | Eulex | gamag, you might want to try ndisasm |
| 19:52.57 | Eulex | !tell marek` about kp |
| 19:53.04 | marek` | thanks |
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| 19:53.17 | frederick85 | i can't get my wireless card to work |
| 19:53.21 | gamag | there is nobody in #ndisasm |
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| 19:54.09 | Eulex | gamag, it's a command. the disassembler that comes with nasm. |
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| 19:55.27 | frederick85 | my wireless cars a intel2200 and i need to use wpa_supplicant also |
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| 19:57.16 | Eulex | frederick85, wireless car? :D |
| 19:57.42 | jelly-home | !ipw2200 |
| 19:57.42 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 19:58.17 | jelly-home | Eulex: you never had one as a kid? |
| 19:58.19 | frederick85 | jelly-home: yeah i followed dpkg's instructions already, my wireless card shows up in iwconfig |
| 19:58.33 | frederick85 | jelly-home: I can't find a good guide for wpa_supplicant that works |
| 19:58.45 | Eulex | jelly-home, I did |
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| 19:59.17 | jelly-home | frederick85: this basically works for me: iface eth1 inet dhcp\n wpa-conf /home/jelly/.wpa/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 19:59.57 | jelly-home | frederick85: (that's /etc/network/interfaces for my ipw2915) |
| 20:00.17 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:00.20 | frederick85 | jelly-home: ok |
| 20:00.27 | jelly-home | frederick85: and man wpa_supplicant.conf has examples |
| 20:00.52 | debian | How can I update hardrive list? |
| 20:00.54 | frederick85 | jelly-home: i'll pastebin my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:01.25 | jelly-home | frederick85: I'm mostly on wired though, and only enable eth1 manually with "ifup eth1" when I need it |
| 20:01.40 | frederick85 | jelly-home: tell me if i did something wrong here http://rafb.net/p/7PXnwK25.html |
| 20:02.08 | jelly-home | frederick85: no idea, but it's different from mine ;-) |
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| 20:02.51 | debian | How can I update hardrive list? The bios didn't recognize! |
| 20:02.56 | frederick85 | jelly-home: examples on the net differ alot i found |
| 20:03.22 | wols_ | frederick85: what is the reason for "iface default"? |
| 20:03.23 | frederick85 | jelly-home: i made mine a bit like yours, how do I restart the network |
| 20:03.37 | frederick85 | iface eth2 inet |
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| 20:03.49 | h3sp4wn | frederick85: Did you not read the documentation included with wpa_supplicant (README.modes.gz) |
| 20:03.53 | frederick85 | wols_: not sure |
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| 20:04.17 | frederick85 | h3sp4wn: no it's more getting it connected to the network, i'v used it on other OS's many times before |
| 20:04.27 | frederick85 | I'm just not used to getting it to work in Debian |
| 20:04.49 | jelly-home | frederick85: in general, ifdown eth2; ifup eth2 |
| 20:05.00 | h3sp4wn | obviously you didn't read it or you would have known that that document is debian specific |
| 20:05.13 | frederick85 | hmm it said couldn't read interfacesfile |
| 20:05.21 | h3sp4wn | /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 20:05.44 | Appiah | I dont know what to do anyomre, I tried changing FTPserver I tried switching ports , still no transfer cant go over 200kb/sec. .. and avg about 150kb/sec tried from different comps and ISPs... But If I download from the same server with HTTP I can get my normal ~1mb/sec speed. Why is that? |
| 20:05.49 | jelly-home | frederick85: weird. are you root? ls -ld /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:06.13 | frederick85 | ok so if I unplug my ethernet cable it doesn't connect |
| 20:06.16 | frederick85 | i'll try it again |
| 20:06.23 | jelly-home | frederick85: which release of debian are you using? |
| 20:06.31 | wols_ | Appiah: possibly throttling by the ISP? |
| 20:07.03 | Appiah | there are no such restrictions on the ISP which the server is on |
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| 20:07.55 | Torgo | abrotman: It's working so far. Thanks! But now, after loading drivers, shoudl I configure device drivers, or configure pcmcia? |
| 20:08.20 | abrotman | probably need both |
| 20:08.23 | DawnLight | i don't know much about building, makefiles and compiling. is there a howto build the kfreebsd? |
| 20:08.26 | Torgo | which first? |
| 20:08.30 | abrotman | do pcmcia first if your NIC is pcmcia |
| 20:08.33 | Torgo | just wing it? |
| 20:08.37 | Torgo | cool. |
| 20:09.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: eh, cardbus devices are just hotpluggable PCI. They works. |
| 20:09.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: this is a 486 laptop |
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| 20:10.03 | jelly-home | oh. carry on then |
| 20:10.19 | gamag | can hd command be made to print the offset addresses as decimal? |
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| 20:11.34 | simonrvn | convert it to dec ;) |
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| 20:11.43 | jelly-home | gamag: have you read the man page? |
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| 20:12.14 | jelly-home | gamag: it says it can. |
| 20:12.27 | marek` | hey |
| 20:12.43 | marek` | i'm trying to install lenny from the daily build and its saying 'no kernel modules were found' |
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| 20:12.52 | abbe | hi channel |
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| 20:13.15 | frederic185 | it works now |
| 20:13.16 | marek` | 'this is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version abailable in the archive' |
| 20:13.16 | abbe | I've a query regarding Debian "Testing". Is it stable enough to be used as regular desktop |
| 20:13.31 | Torgo | abrotman, it's asking me to select an installation server. Is there where I need to make a sources.list? |
| 20:13.34 | marek` | what is the deal with that? |
| 20:13.35 | wols_ | marek`: why are you using the lenny installer? |
| 20:13.36 | DawnLight | can i use my current debian gnu/linux to build a freebsd kernel and have it as an alternative kernel or is it not like that? |
| 20:13.44 | marek` | why not? |
| 20:13.57 | abrotman | Torgo: yes .. moment |
| 20:13.57 | wols_ | because it's beta and for testing the installer only |
| 20:14.09 | marek` | oh |
| 20:14.10 | frederic185 | damn i love debian compared to FBSD |
| 20:14.15 | abrotman | Torgo: try this "http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/" |
| 20:14.17 | marek` | so i should use stable cd, and then upgrade? |
| 20:14.35 | jelly-home | abbe: people use it as a desktop. Things break sometimes. |
| 20:14.48 | frederic185 | marek`: netinstall |
| 20:15.12 | marek` | so i can get the lenny netinstall? |
| 20:15.17 | Torgo | abrotman, "Installing Base System, please wait..."!!!!1!one |
| 20:15.31 | abbe | jelly-home: okay |
| 20:15.32 | CalebRipley | Hello, is there anyone who can help me for a configuration of debian installation floppys? I have to chance the general sources.list which where generaterd by choose-mirror 1.07. There i have to chance the sources.list enty "stable" to "oldstable" or "sarge". |
| 20:15.34 | gamag | jelly-home: all options display the input offset in hexadecimal. I want it in decimal. |
| 20:15.36 | frederic185 | marek`: just install a minimum system and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:15.42 | h3sp4wn | frederick85: no zfs in debian though afaik |
| 20:15.47 | marek` | frederic185, thats what i did |
| 20:16.01 | abbe | jelly-home: so similar in stability to ubuntu gutsy, or equivalent distros or unstable than that, hmm... |
| 20:16.08 | marek` | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:16.10 | marek` | i got that one |
| 20:16.14 | frederic185 | marek`: yeah that would be best, not if your net is slow though |
| 20:16.33 | frederic185 | h3sp4wn: whats zfs |
| 20:16.39 | abbe | is there any list of main features available in current testing, or I've to figure out from packages.debian.org ? |
| 20:16.43 | jelly-home | abbe: I have no idea about ubuntu's stability, sorry |
| 20:16.58 | abbe | abbe: okay, np, thanks |
| 20:17.15 | h3sp4wn | frederic185: suns filesystem / volume manager |
| 20:17.34 | debian | Cand debian fix an ntfs partition? |
| 20:17.35 | Torgo | abrotman. Wow. Slow. It's been too long since I fired up this machine. |
| 20:17.52 | abrotman | Torgo: uh .. yeah .. it is a 486 :) |
| 20:17.52 | frederic185 | h3sp4wn: yeah FBSD good for server but i got sick of some features, the gentoo / FBSD combination might be better |
| 20:17.56 | marek` | frederic185, but that didnt work |
| 20:17.58 | Torgo | heh |
| 20:18.00 | marek` | frederic185, i got errors |
| 20:18.13 | frederic185 | marek`: what errors? |
| 20:18.36 | marek` | 'no kernel modules were found' |
| 20:18.36 | abbe | frederic185: what problem with default FreeBSD ? |
| 20:18.36 | marek` | 'this is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version abailable in the archive' |
| 20:18.51 | frederic185 | marek`: i just used the latest stable netinstall and I thought it was best one out, last one I had was a 2.2 kernel |
| 20:19.13 | frederic185 | abbe: I kept breaking packages |
| 20:19.14 | marek` | i installed from the page i posted |
| 20:19.19 | marek` | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:19.28 | frederic185 | abbe: upgrading was pretty hard |
| 20:19.32 | marek` | should i get the image from somewhere else? |
| 20:19.50 | abbe | frederic185: hmm... make buildinstall buildkernel installkernel; mergemaster ... |
| 20:20.16 | frederic185 | abbe: i was doing portupgrade -a and it wouldn't upgrade gnome |
| 20:20.26 | abbe | frederic185: okay, from ? |
| 20:20.30 | frederic185 | abbe: and the installer kept messing up for me |
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| 20:20.42 | frederic185 | abbe: from? |
| 20:20.45 | marek` | frederic185, it seems like they forgot to include the right kernel in the cd or something |
| 20:20.55 | abbe | frederic185: okay, did you checked /usr/ports/UPDATING ? |
| 20:21.07 | briareus | hi, got a question. I have a pcmcia lan card in my thinkpad, its eth0. I also have a pcmcia wlan card that I am trying to get up. I'd like to call it eth1 or eth2 or whatever, but I don't know how to set that up in debian |
| 20:21.12 | wols_ | abbe: #freebsd |
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| 20:21.23 | abbe | wols_: oops, sorry. |
| 20:21.31 | frederic185 | abbe: yeah, But i'm going to use debian now anyway, Another thing I didn't like about it was my local server doesn't have the latest FBSD ports |
| 20:21.32 | wols_ | briareus: what wlan chip? |
| 20:21.39 | frederic185 | abbe: and #freebsd has alot of rude people |
| 20:21.54 | jelly-home | frederic185: hey, we have rude people too. |
| 20:21.58 | briareus | wols_: the pcmcia card is an orinoco gold |
| 20:22.02 | abbe | hehe |
| 20:22.02 | frederic185 | abbe: Just my personal experience wasn't so great |
| 20:22.03 | wols_ | frederic185: we're more rude if people talk about *bsd in #debian |
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| 20:22.38 | wols_ | briareus: load the driver it uses, and you have an interface. naming is automaitc |
| 20:22.38 | briareus | wols_: I know how to use iwlist to scan and iwconfig to connect, but I dont know how to set the hardware, I tried to find a 'netconf' like command |
| 20:22.38 | frederic185 | wols_: yeah i'm just answering this bloke |
| 20:22.41 | abbe | frederic185: okay, np, but mailing list is quite cool, anyways no more *bsd talk in channel |
| 20:23.01 | frederic185 | abbe: a developer mailing list? |
| 20:23.32 | briareus | wols_: the driver is already loaded |
| 20:23.39 | wols_ | briareus: ifconfig -a |
| 20:23.55 | wols_ | !tell briareus about interfaces |
| 20:24.05 | briareus | hmm, there it is as eth1, I didnt see it before. I did pull/push the card just now |
| 20:24.17 | briareus | thanks for the info wols_ |
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| 20:25.40 | anirban | HI I am having problem with kio_fish on lenny on AMD 64 |
| 20:25.56 | briareus | wols_: up and connected, thanks |
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| 20:26.03 | anirban | it is dying unexceptedly |
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| 20:26.28 | Torgo | abrotman, thank you for your tips and patience. Here's hoping the install goes well... I'll let you know... maybe by the end of the year. ;) |
| 20:26.31 | abbe | anirban: you run lenny, I'm thinking to install it. |
| 20:26.45 | s4xxon | hello, i got an external usb hdd. when i plug it in and try to open it i get an error message: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000. |
| 20:26.54 | abrotman | Torgo: hehe .. sorry .. might have been easier to get the 20 floppies and do it that way .. but as long as it's installing |
| 20:26.57 | anirban | and konqueror is not giving enough error mesg to fix it |
| 20:27.00 | abbe | anirban: how is lenny in terms of stability |
| 20:27.06 | s4xxon | if i go through console and type "pmount /dev/sda1 then i can access the drive |
| 20:27.06 | anirban | it is good |
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| 20:27.17 | s4xxon | without it i cant enter it at all |
| 20:27.21 | abbe | anirban: is it okay for a regular desktop use |
| 20:27.27 | fignew | anirban: try sshing into the host instead of using konq |
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| 20:27.37 | fignew | that'll tell you the error (most likely) |
| 20:27.39 | jnguy[h] | Not sure if this is a debian question or an xfce4 question, but how can I make it such that I can shutdown my machine by hitting the power button on my panel wtihout entering a password? |
| 20:27.40 | anirban | yeah it is good for regular desktop use |
| 20:27.55 | anirban | yeah I can ssh the host with out any problem |
| 20:27.58 | abbe | anirban: okay, and did you also use selinux on debian |
| 20:28.20 | fignew | anirban: can you use sftp:// ? |
| 20:28.26 | anirban | but I need to transfer lots of file that is why I need kio_fish |
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| 20:28.50 | anirban | No I do not use selinux |
| 20:29.02 | anirban | does it turned on automatically |
| 20:29.03 | eliteforce | hey, is there a bot or a channel where security fixes are announced? |
| 20:29.13 | anirban | trying it fignew |
| 20:29.25 | tralala | eliteforce, there's a mailing list |
| 20:29.43 | eliteforce | tralala: i know, but i wondered if there's something similar on irc |
| 20:30.08 | anirban | it is working fignew |
| 20:30.11 | anirban | thanks a lot |
| 20:30.20 | tralala | eliteforce, I don't think so |
| 20:30.27 | fignew | good :) sftp is faster too :) |
| 20:30.29 | anirban | but previously I used fish |
| 20:30.32 | abbe | anirban: nop, one needs to explicitly turn it on, anyways thanks for the replies :) |
| 20:30.43 | anirban | is it changed now or I am using a different protocol |
| 20:31.02 | anirban | ohh about lenny |
| 20:31.23 | anirban | it detected by broad com WiFi card on my laptop from stcok installation |
| 20:31.31 | eliteforce | tralala: 'kay, thanks anyway |
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| 20:31.46 | anirban | only I need to install bcm cutter and it is working with out any problem |
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| 20:32.50 | jelly-home | eliteforce: #debian-security on irc.d.o tracks the security team svn, but that's not exactly what you asked for |
| 20:33.20 | smacnay | Hi folks, what are the major differences between latex and context? |
| 20:33.47 | tralala | jelly-home, a lil' too late |
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| 20:34.13 | jelly-home | tralala: eh, too bad for him |
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| 20:34.53 | tralala | jelly-home, copying debian-security on irc is pointless anyhow |
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| 20:36.34 | jelly-home | tralala: that guy has his/their own security blog / web page. if I had to guess, he wanted a way to look at the releases in real-time |
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| 20:38.07 | zinx | [BaHaMuT(n=LoveBaby@88.243.46.198)] <- FPV spammer, he's baaaaack |
| 20:38.36 | Ronin | zinx: tell the ops |
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| 20:38.47 | zinx | fsh |
| 20:38.52 | zinx | !ops [BaHaMuT(n=LoveBaby@88.243.46.198)] <- FPV spammer, he's baaaaack |
| 20:38.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: [BaHaMuT(n=LoveBaby@88.243.46.198)] <- FPV spammer, he's baaaaack |
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| 20:41.01 | Nyle | hey look whos here |
| 20:41.07 | tralala | jelly-home, faster than they're posted in the list? |
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| 20:41.12 | Nyle | mr peter s |
| 20:41.14 | Nyle | word |
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| 20:41.45 | jelly-home | tralala: mail can take, like, minutes to get delivered! |
| 20:42.32 | jelly-home | tralala: Elite Force Security needs to be better than that. |
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| 20:43.06 | tralala | yay! |
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| 20:51.56 | axolx | hey guys -- how can i tell in a sh script if a given process is running? i want to run "killall -TERM procname" only if procname is running |
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| 20:54.31 | abrotman | axolx: pidof |
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| 20:58.12 | tokemm | hello all, how can I merge a subtitle in a movie using ffmpeg or Mencoder ? |
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| 21:01.43 | debian | what cand ebian do to ntfs information or something? |
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| 21:02.02 | debian | data, tables, something like that? |
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| 21:02.51 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:03.09 | debian | The ntfs windows wont boot, but the files are okay |
| 21:03.25 | reto_ | I'm trying to debug a problem with aptitude, but I have a hard time using gdb, anybody can take a look why I can't print i? |
| 21:03.28 | reto_ | http://rafb.net/p/Ku4q2V15.html |
| 21:03.35 | debian | It says something, how to fix it? check for errors and get rid of them? |
| 21:03.37 | zinx | it was probably optimized out |
| 21:03.37 | reto_ | shouldn't that work? |
| 21:03.45 | reto_ | oh |
| 21:03.53 | reto_ | zinx: -O0? or is there a way? |
| 21:03.56 | reto_ | to print it? |
| 21:04.00 | azeem | debian: if windows doesn't boot, ask elsewhere for support, please |
| 21:04.10 | wols_ | debian: debian can't do this. boot from a windows CD instead |
| 21:04.12 | zinx | -g -O0 will work, or just leaving -O off and using -g |
| 21:04.13 | debian | But, they said I should ask here. |
| 21:04.19 | azeem | debian: who is "they"? |
| 21:04.26 | reto_ | zinx: I compiled it using the DEB tags |
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| 21:04.38 | debian | Because I only want the partiton to work, the windowzers in ##windows |
| 21:04.46 | zinx | reto_: i think most debian stuff defaults to -O2 |
| 21:04.47 | azeem | debian: so what |
| 21:04.48 | waseem57 | fsd |
| 21:04.49 | reto_ | zinx: btw, does the vector iterator look sane to you? |
| 21:04.56 | debian | No |
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| 21:05.39 | wols_ | debian: let me get this straight, your windows isn't booting anymore? |
| 21:05.42 | zinx | reto_: syntactically? sure |
| 21:05.46 | debian | yes |
| 21:05.54 | reto_ | zinx: alright |
| 21:05.57 | wols_ | debian: pastebin your menu.lst |
| 21:06.05 | zinx | reto_: can't say much logically about it without browsing over a lot of likely convoluted code |
| 21:06.07 | debian | I dont have windows there |
| 21:06.11 | reto_ | of course |
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| 21:06.35 | debian | But it boots to bluescreen |
| 21:06.36 | wols_ | debian: is this why it's not booting or what? to know if we can help you you must tell us more about the problem |
| 21:06.55 | wols_ | debian: bluescreens are not the problem of debian, sorry. ask windows people |
| 21:06.56 | debian | unmountabole_boot_volume or something similar |
| 21:07.24 | debian | WOuld rezising the partition mybe help? |
| 21:07.36 | wols_ | we don't know about windows. wrong channel |
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| 21:07.55 | debian | But I need linux tools |
| 21:08.03 | wols_ | linux tools to do what? |
| 21:08.05 | reto_ | zinx: nopt is set, but they are using -g -O2 :/ |
| 21:08.11 | reto_ | zinx: thats not correct, aye? |
| 21:08.21 | tralala | wols_, virus cleaning :) |
| 21:08.38 | wols_ | tralala: I'd say to steal and transplant a brain |
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| 21:09.36 | tralala | wols_, won't fit in such a small skull |
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| 21:11.42 | Random832 | are there any packages of older versions of zsnes? |
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| 21:12.17 | charzero | My /resolv.conf (created by dhclient) has "search foo.bar.org". If I do `host localhost`, I get "localhost.foo.bar.org does not exist, try again". Is this a problem? |
| 21:12.29 | charzero | s/resolv.conf/etc\/resolv.conf |
| 21:12.43 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 21:12.43 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 21:12.47 | wols_ | Random832: snapshot.debian.net might have them |
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| 21:13.13 | xsdg | charzero: localhost should be set in /etc/hosts |
| 21:13.31 | xsdg | charzero: for example, the first line of mine is: |
| 21:13.32 | xsdg | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 21:13.33 | minus198 | What am I supposed to add in sources.list? non-free and? I've forgotten :3 |
| 21:13.44 | xsdg | minus198: contrib? |
| 21:13.49 | minus198 | Ah! |
| 21:13.50 | minus198 | Thank you |
| 21:13.52 | charzero | xsdg: The first line of my /etc/hosts is "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
| 21:13.52 | Random832 | ok - how do i stop it from upgrading a package |
| 21:14.00 | xsdg | charzero: oh, duh |
| 21:14.12 | abrotman | !tell Random832 about hold |
| 21:14.12 | xsdg | charzero: the `host` command is DNS-specific, so it won't look at /etc/hosts |
| 21:14.25 | xsdg | charzero: `ping localhost` should work properly, though |
| 21:14.27 | tralala | Random832, ctrl+c? |
| 21:14.54 | charzero | xsdg: ping works. However, I suspect `host locahost` not working is causing a problem with Oracle. |
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| 21:16.02 | xsdg | charzero: it shouldn't be calling the `host` command |
| 21:16.08 | tralala | charzero, in order for "host localhost" to work you need a dns entry |
| 21:16.12 | xsdg | charzero: what problems are you noticing? |
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| 21:16.41 | debian | How do I forceunomunt? |
| 21:17.00 | xsdg | hmm... it _does_ look like many domains have an A record for localhost.domain, though |
| 21:17.03 | wols_ | there is only umount |
| 21:17.04 | xsdg | debian: umount -f |
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| 21:17.28 | charzero | xsdg: oracle-xe fails to start its network listener. I've found about others having the same problem, and they've been caused by localhost resolving issues. |
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| 21:17.37 | wols_ | xsdg: I doubt he has NFS problems |
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| 21:18.00 | charzero | xsdg: Hmm. I see Google has localhost.google.com A 127.0.0.1. I could try that. |
| 21:18.00 | debian | command not found |
| 21:18.03 | xsdg | charzero: yeah, I was mistaken; all of the (3) domains I've looked at have a DNS record for localhost that points to 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:18.09 | xsdg | charzero: yeah |
| 21:18.14 | xsdg | debian: are you root? |
| 21:18.21 | debian | yes |
| 21:18.45 | wols_ | debian: /bin/umount |
| 21:18.47 | xsdg | debian: what if you use the full path? /bin/umount |
| 21:19.00 | debian | can I use disk manager? |
| 21:19.11 | debian | No |
| 21:19.21 | wols_ | debian: what debian install is this? |
| 21:19.35 | debian | Debian etch |
| 21:20.34 | debian | WHat folder is my hardrives in? |
| 21:20.34 | wols_ | debian: can't be, cause package mount which umount contains is a required package |
| 21:20.34 | wols_ | your debian wouldn't boot without it |
| 21:20.34 | wols_ | debian: nonsensical question |
| 21:20.35 | debian | In linux you never have to reboot |
| 21:20.41 | debian | Is it dev? |
| 21:20.46 | debian | media? |
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| 21:20.56 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.08 | wols_ | debian: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 21:21.11 | wols_ | what does this say? |
| 21:21.13 | xsdg | debian: can you paste the contents of /proc/mounts to a pastesite? |
| 21:21.13 | tralala | debian, you do - when you upgrade linux |
| 21:21.40 | debian | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 21:22.53 | debian | never upgraded |
| 21:23.47 | debian | gparted wont rezise |
| 21:23.53 | abrotman | debian: this is a ##windows issue .. grub boots your OS .. your OS is screwed up |
| 21:24.11 | xsdg | abrotman: eh? |
| 21:24.22 | debian | WTF? that i cant unmount? |
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| 21:24.49 | xsdg | debian: what are you trying to unmount? |
| 21:24.54 | mikefoo | is there a smb 2GB file size limit? |
| 21:24.57 | debian | Want to resize |
| 21:25.23 | xsdg | mikefoo: likely, though I'm not sure |
| 21:25.23 | wols_ | debian: resize what? |
| 21:25.26 | debian | An ntfs partiton that is somewhat damaged |
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| 21:25.52 | xsdg | debian: how is it damaged? |
| 21:26.18 | debian | No badly |
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| 21:26.36 | debian | Just so windows wont boot and grub wotn resize |
| 21:26.45 | minus198 | how do I check what hostname I set during the installation? |
| 21:26.54 | xsdg | minus198: cat /etc/hostname |
| 21:26.58 | minus198 | thank you :) |
| 21:27.00 | xsdg | (unless you've changed it since the install) |
| 21:27.07 | minus198 | Nope.. |
| 21:27.09 | xsdg | minus198: wait. are you still in the installer? |
| 21:27.12 | minus198 | nope |
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| 21:27.22 | minus198 | Just installed and setting it up to a server |
| 21:27.40 | minus198 | Hm.. Apparently I din't set any.. |
| 21:27.44 | humbolto | Does a Xen disk necessarily have to be IDE (e.g. hda) or can I also set it to be sda instead? |
| 21:27.49 | minus198 | Cause it just says:: "minusserv" |
| 21:28.09 | minus198 | xsdg, how do I set a hostname? |
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| 21:28.19 | xsdg | humbolto: I'm fairly certain it can deal with non-IDE drives |
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| 21:28.27 | xsdg | minus198: the `hostname` command :o) |
| 21:28.36 | minus198 | xD |
| 21:28.38 | xsdg | minus198: you also need to set /etc/hostname for the change to persist across reboots |
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| 21:28.49 | minus198 | xsdg, ok :) |
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| 21:31.29 | S4nD3r | How to discover which window managers are installed in my box? |
| 21:31.34 | minus198 | xsdg, how do I set a domain name then? |
| 21:31.44 | LightKnight | minerale: "man hostname" |
| 21:31.47 | LightKnight | erm |
| 21:31.52 | LightKnight | minus198: "man hostname" |
| 21:31.54 | minus198 | LightKnight, ok :) |
| 21:31.56 | petemc | S4nD3r: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 21:32.59 | S4nD3r | Id like to remove metacity blackbox kwin and twm |
| 21:33.12 | abrotman | or just --list |
| 21:34.09 | mikefoo | is there a smb 2GB file size limit? |
| 21:34.16 | S4nD3r | apt-get remove --purge metacity blackbox kwin twm |
| 21:34.32 | S4nD3r | Will remove this: blackbox* gnome* gnome-core* gnome-desktop-environment* gnome-office* kde-amusements* kde-core* kdebase* kwin* metacity* twm* |
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| 21:35.16 | LightKnight | seem all just like virtuals to me |
| 21:37.00 | centrx | mikefoo, there is a FAT32 2GB file size limit IIRC |
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| 21:38.28 | abrotman | S4nD3r: is that what you want? |
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| 21:39.12 | S4nD3r | No. |
| 21:39.45 | S4nD3r | I got to remove blackbox, twm and amaterus |
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| 21:41.10 | S4nD3r | I will use enlightenment, then I tried to remove anothers |
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| 21:41.18 | S4nD3r | I got to do !! thnks |
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| 21:41.36 | tziku | hello, how can i set ssh-server to allow connections only from a list of ips ? |
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| 21:42.00 | Zippy2 | hosts.deny |
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| 21:42.45 | tziku | there i deny ip's...i want to deny all except 2 ips. |
| 21:42.56 | tralala | security wise it's far better to allow key-only authentication and (optionally) configure port-knock |
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| 21:43.32 | Zippy2 | hosts.allow |
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| 21:43.44 | nvzn | hi, does wpasupplicant package support TTLS? |
| 21:43.50 | Zippy2 | nvz: yes |
| 21:43.52 | tralala | moving ssh to a non-standard port will keep your logs clean of automated attack attempts |
| 21:44.31 | nvzn | because i'm getting an error with version 0.5.5.2, says EAP 'TTLS' unknown |
| 21:44.33 | tziku | i already think at this tralala but i think is more secure to filter all ips except 2 |
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| 21:46.49 | tralala | ips can be forged |
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| 21:47.29 | tralala | also an IP whitelist might leave you locked out of your box in certain situations |
| 21:47.34 | reto_ | zinx: found and fixed the bug (patched, that is) :) one important bug less in debia *juhu* :) |
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| 21:49.04 | mikefoo | Hi, im on debian 4.0, and with a 2.4 kernel, how can I upgrade to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:49.28 | tralala | I personally use a non-standard port + key auth. Port knocking adds yet another protection but might lock you out if you're behind a proxy. |
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| 21:49.55 | tralala | mikefoo, aptitude install linux-image-2.6 |
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| 21:51.08 | Palish | Hello.. I've installed the mono package, but 'mcs' and 'gmcs' don't exist. Does anyone know what you use for Debian to compile C# code? |
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| 21:51.44 | sauvin | BAD mouse! How do you get a 2.4 kernel on debian 4.0? |
| 21:52.06 | tralala | etch doesn't support 2.4 |
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| 21:52.13 | wols_ | sauvin: you can't |
| 21:52.22 | abrotman | you can .. it's not supported .. things may break |
| 21:52.25 | sauvin | Somebody just said something to that effect before I got moused out. |
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| 21:52.59 | abrotman | sauvin: do hyou want a 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 21:53.16 | sauvin | Hell, no, I'm keeping my 2.6. |
| 21:53.25 | abrotman | so what are you asking for? |
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| 21:54.08 | hightower | is there a way to use any debian iso image to boot a headless (serial console only) server? |
| 21:54.12 | sauvin | Somebody just said "I'm on debian 4.0 and have a 2.4 kernel. How do I get a 2.6 kernel?" and I was, like, what the FRACK? |
| 21:54.40 | wols_ | sauvin: can happen when upgradng from sarge |
| 21:54.48 | sauvin | Oh. |
| 21:55.21 | sauvin | yes, that makes sense. I didn't start using debian until I installed 4.0 from a DVD and don't know anything about debian before that point. |
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| 21:57.58 | tralala | anybody care to send me drivers/media/video/bt8xx/{bttv.h,bttvp.h} from 2.6.22 sources? |
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| 22:02.01 | mrrcp | How do i get PROFTPD to just bind to a single IP and not ALL of my ips |
| 22:02.02 | mrrcp | ? |
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| 22:03.04 | centrx | mrrcp, change proftpd.conf |
| 22:03.11 | mrrcp | to what |
| 22:03.17 | centrx | it looks like it has <VirtualHost *> syntax |
| 22:03.19 | mrrcp | i tryed DefaultAdress 192. |
| 22:03.26 | centrx | if you change the start to your specific IP that should work |
| 22:03.28 | mrrcp | nah i dont want a Virtu host |
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| 22:03.50 | mrrcp | i want it just to accept on 1 ip |
| 22:03.56 | mrrcp | right now it works with any ip |
| 22:04.06 | mrrcp | the DOC says DefaultAddress |
| 22:04.11 | mrrcp | but thats not working |
| 22:04.33 | mrrcp | Im useing a VPN so i want ONLY VPN ips to allow to connect |
| 22:04.36 | centrx | did you reload proftpd |
| 22:04.45 | mrrcp | yea i reload and REBOOT the system |
| 22:04.56 | centrx | you don't need to reboot |
| 22:05.13 | mrrcp | yea i know |
| 22:05.20 | DawnLight | !reboot |
| 22:05.20 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
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| 22:05.30 | mrrcp | lol |
| 22:05.37 | mrrcp | anyways |
| 22:06.00 | mrrcp | i am correct on the DefaultAdress |
| 22:06.02 | mrrcp | no? |
| 22:06.25 | robboplus_ | does anyone know if it's possible to decode SHA1'd word? |
| 22:06.56 | wols_ | robboplus_: SHA1 is a hash... |
| 22:07.07 | centrx | mrrcp, I do not know much about it |
| 22:07.11 | robboplus_ | yes it is, wols |
| 22:07.14 | centrx | robboplus_, in a hash, data is lost |
| 22:07.16 | sauvin | ... which means it's the hamburger made from the cow that was 'word'. |
| 22:07.26 | wols_ | robboplus_: you obviously don't |
| 22:07.28 | sauvin | You can't reconstitute the cow from it. |
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| 22:07.36 | centrx | robboplus_, you cannot reverse a hash, the only way to find out what the original word is to brute-force check every combination of letters |
| 22:07.42 | robboplus_ | mhm. |
| 22:07.53 | Tramp | mrrcp: "192." doesn't look like an address to me. |
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| 22:08.11 | mrrcp | heh |
| 22:08.13 | robboplus_ | centrx, sauvin, wols: thank you, i understand now |
| 22:08.20 | wols_ | if you mean to ask if there are hash collissions in a meanungful time: afaik there have been papers doing work on it. but so far no one has demonstrated "good enough" attacks |
| 22:08.20 | mrrcp | 192. is a address for VPN |
| 22:08.28 | wols_ | so sha1 is better than md5 still |
| 22:08.41 | robboplus_ | sounds great in my ears :) |
| 22:09.41 | Tramp | mrrcp: sorry then, no idea what you are talking about. |
| 22:09.42 | mrrcp | hrm |
| 22:09.49 | mrrcp | you dont know what VPN is? |
| 22:10.44 | wols_ | mrrcp: you've been told you use the <VirtualHost> config. your loss if you dismiss it |
| 22:11.09 | mikefoo | I have a NAS device, where I mounted via SMB, its giving me a 2GB file limit, is this because of a SMB limit? |
| 22:11.17 | mrrcp | wols_ im telling you thats not correct ... because the MAIN ip still works |
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| 22:12.29 | wols_ | mikefoo: no |
| 22:12.48 | wols_ | mikefoo: at least my SMB server works fine with 4GB+ files |
| 22:12.55 | mikefoo | wols_: yah mine too =( |
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| 22:16.14 | DawnLight | i need help with the bridge-utils scripts as in what to put in /etc/network/interfaces. my question is at http://paste.debian.net/42714 |
| 22:17.04 | martin_ | Does anyone know any good thinkpad to run debian on? |
| 22:17.07 | DawnLight | i hope what i want is supported. it isn't documented all that well |
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| 22:17.33 | wols_ | martin_: all of them? |
| 22:17.35 | DawnLight | martin_: most of them, i think |
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| 22:17.52 | wols_ | martin_: go to the thinkwiki |
| 22:17.55 | martin_ | Okay, good. |
| 22:17.57 | DawnLight | i have one here, only its bork |
| 22:18.26 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 22:18.26 | dpkg | laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 22:18.33 | LennyInstalled | I have a question, my pendrive was automounting in /media/usbdisk, but after upgrade to lenny, is automouting to /media/disk |
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| 22:18.47 | LennyInstalled | Is possible to setup this to automount to /media/usbdisk ??? |
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| 22:19.27 | kb3llm | is there no way to install kde in lenny/sid? it says kdegraphics has unmet dependencies. |
| 22:19.34 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 22:19.34 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 22:19.37 | abrotman | start smaller |
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| 22:19.52 | kb3llm | abrotman: thanks! :-) |
| 22:19.59 | sauvin | LennyInstalled, I think that can be adjusted in udev rules somewhere. |
| 22:20.09 | DawnLight | allow-hotplug doesn't seem to work with br* interfaces so I'm using allow-auto but the problem with that the server isn't always on so it tries DHCP in vain. any ideas? |
| 22:20.14 | claudio32m | whats the command to see the stauts of services running/stopped ? |
| 22:20.19 | claudio32m | *status |
| 22:20.26 | LennyInstalled | I will see it |
| 22:20.44 | DawnLight | claudio32m: ps aux is nice |
| 22:20.50 | LennyInstalled | udev is in /proc ? |
| 22:20.52 | claudio32m | oh yeah right |
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| 22:20.53 | claudio32m | hehe |
| 22:20.55 | claudio32m | thanks |
| 22:21.05 | wols_ | !udev |
| 22:21.06 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
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| 22:21.38 | kb3llm | what is the executable for kde? (like gnome is gnome-session) |
| 22:21.48 | wols_ | startkde |
| 22:21.53 | kb3llm | wols_: thanks. |
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| 22:23.21 | claudio32m | i did "ps -aux|grep ftpd" and no result, however my ftpd is running, thats why I asked how to check my services statuses |
| 22:23.51 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 22:24.10 | claudio32m | unless its another ftp deamon |
| 22:24.13 | claudio32m | that debian installs by default |
| 22:24.22 | centrx | claudio32m, look at inetd |
| 22:24.39 | enouf | hi folks; a long while back i complained a tad bit about sudo not being able to do everything root can, and when called out, my example failed O.o ( like ls /dev/.static/dev, or somesuch), but since then i've found other things, like "sudo echo '2' > /procsys/vm/overcommit_memory" returns permission denied (someone else also has this issue with /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed) .. |
| 22:24.41 | claudio32m | centrx - in the inetd config file? |
| 22:24.46 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.47 | centrx | claudio32m, that is the TCP Internet superserver which launches daemons when it receives connections from the appropriate ports |
| 22:25.00 | centrx | s/daemons/servers |
| 22:25.08 | claudio32m | oh so it only runs it when someone requests the service? |
| 22:25.23 | centrx | yes |
| 22:25.40 | minus198 | How do I configure ssh so that I can access it from outside the network. Cause when ssh to the computer and enter the password, it says: "permission denied" |
| 22:25.41 | claudio32m | so theoretically if i connect via ftp and then check, ftpd should be running |
| 22:25.44 | centrx | claudio32m, yes |
| 22:25.49 | claudio32m | nice |
| 22:25.49 | claudio32m | thanks |
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| 22:25.58 | enouf | BTW - my entry in sudoers for my user is; username ALL= NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 22:26.14 | enouf | er /etc/sudoers as such |
| 22:26.43 | claudio32m | centrx you were right, i just did the test |
| 22:26.58 | DawnLight | allow-hotplug doesn't seem to work with br* interfaces so I'm using allow-auto but the problem with that the server isn't always on so it tries DHCP in vain. any ideas? |
| 22:26.59 | humbolto | Are there any Xen users here? |
| 22:27.01 | humbolto | I messed up. |
| 22:27.16 | claudio32m | so when i did "apt-get install ftpd" it automatically added it to the inetd configuration file(s) ? |
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| 22:27.28 | humbolto | When I install Xen but don't configure anything yet, will my interfaces come up as usual or will they be dead due to missing bridging configuration? |
| 22:27.38 | centrx | claudio32m, yes |
| 22:27.43 | claudio32m | very nice |
| 22:28.03 | petemc | humbolto: if you have nothing configured it wont change them |
| 22:28.13 | centrx | claudio32m, you can also change it so it runs constantly, but I think the only reason to do that is if are running a server with a high number of connections constantly coming in |
| 22:28.38 | humbolto | petemc: Well then, hopefully it will come up. |
| 22:29.11 | humbolto | petemc: already takes quite a while and I have no serial console to the thing. |
| 22:29.43 | petemc | did you configure any of the network scripts? |
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| 22:30.00 | petemc | as in, uncomment them in the config file |
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| 22:30.11 | humbolto | petemc: nothing as far as I remember. |
| 22:30.35 | humbolto | petemc: but I am not quite sure, as I was working on two systems. |
| 22:30.54 | petemc | humbolto: did you configure the xen kernel before rebooting? |
| 22:31.00 | Trewas | enouf: shell does the redirection and sudo does not help for that, that shows one solution: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Redirection_with_sudo.html |
| 22:32.22 | enouf | Trewas: thanks a ton, i'm still trying to grasp why - i suppose from that example, sudo needs to launch a subshell? |
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| 22:33.55 | Trewas | enouf: yeah, otherwise your normal shell is the process which tries to open the file stdout is redirected to, and fails |
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| 22:34.09 | enouf | Trewas: also, i just realized the $ sudo sh -c echo "2" > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory <--doesn't work, same permission denied, whereas--> $ sudo sh -c 'echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory' does work |
| 22:34.23 | enouf | note the placement of single quotes |
| 22:34.47 | enouf | Trewas: well, thanks again .. hopefully this will sink in |
| 22:35.23 | Trewas | enouf: you need the second version so that the sudoed shell runs the whole command, including the redirection |
| 22:36.09 | enouf | ahhh.. gracias ;-) |
| 22:36.17 | LennyInstalled | How to recreate udev.rules? |
| 22:36.44 | enouf | LennyInstalled: see /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 22:37.30 | DawnLight | I need help with the debian scripts for the brctl. allow-hotplug doesn't seem to work with br* interfaces so I'm using allow-auto but the problem with that the server isn't always on so it tries DHCP in vain. any ideas? i've tried something that didn't work - http://paste.debian.net/42714. am i not phrasing myself properly? |
| 22:38.08 | LennyInstalled | is possible to chance the description of icon too ?? |
| 22:38.14 | Nyle | sure |
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| 22:43.21 | enouf | LennyInstalled: i don't understand that question |
| 22:43.55 | LennyInstalled | In gnome, my computer, appears icons |
| 22:44.11 | LennyInstalled | when connect pendrive, shows a descriptin |
| 22:44.14 | LennyInstalled | description |
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| 22:47.45 | alterego | Is it possible to install using apt-get but making it force dependency errors? |
| 22:48.43 | abrotman | you can .. but you shouldn't |
| 22:48.50 | alterego | I know, I have to. |
| 22:49.13 | alterego | This package is compiled against an old patch and it specifically requests that build version :/ |
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| 22:49.37 | enouf | DawnLight: just guessing here but man dhcpcd-bin, see /etc/dhcpcd.sh (and other files noted in that man page) .. erm, is openbsd-inetd running? portmap? how about avahi-daemon? (all guesses) .. and have you gone over "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" with a fine toothed comb, what about /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/bridge? |
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| 22:52.32 | enouf | eww.. one more file /etc/default/dhcpcd |
| 22:52.45 | W9ZEB | debian in a somewhat less than standard use... http://www.w9zeb.org/files/enya-desktop.png |
| 22:54.22 | enouf | LennyInstalled: gnome-volume-manager ? (i don't use gnome) gconf ? |
| 22:55.01 | enouf | LennyInstalled: sure you can make your device named whatever you want with udev rules |
| 22:55.38 | enouf | i believe the SYMLINK item is for that, IIRC |
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| 22:56.34 | enouf | !checkinstall |
| 22:56.35 | dpkg | somebody said checkinstall was a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 |
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| 22:57.59 | LennyInstalled | strange |
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| 23:00.34 | LennyInstalled | its in filemanager |
| 23:00.37 | LennyInstalled | Is possible to change the description of device (usb - pendrive) ? |
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| 23:01.00 | stdan | hi, can anyone help me with nfs server? i get a "Function not implemented" error when trying to export. Thanks! |
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| 23:01.58 | enouf | LennyInstalled: i'm not sure what you mean "description" can you give anither device's or file's example of it's "description"? |
| 23:02.22 | LennyInstalled | Reprodutor de música USB DISK 2.0: Volume RemovÃvel 3,8 GB |
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| 23:02.32 | LennyInstalled | This is the icon description |
| 23:02.45 | LennyInstalled | in filemanager |
| 23:03.01 | tuv | anyone tried debtorrent? how well does it work? |
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| 23:03.25 | enouf | LennyInstalled: well, you might want to change it's Volume name, see man e2label (for ext2/3 FS), or try and right click it and rename it |
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| 23:04.05 | enouf | LennyInstalled: man volname also |
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| 23:05.02 | enouf | LennyInstalled: also ls -l /dev/disk/by-label |
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| 23:05.48 | LennyInstalled | volname just show volume name |
| 23:05.54 | enouf | LennyInstalled: i need to go now, good luck |
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| 23:06.03 | LennyInstalled | ok then |
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| 23:08.20 | enouf | LennyInstalled: also ls -l /dev/disk/* , then udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sdX or /sdXX or whatever .. i suppose gnome has it;s generic way of parsing hte kernel and udev rules for that "description" . i really don't know |
| 23:08.35 | enouf | ok, out |
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| 23:14.19 | stdan | hi, can anyone help me with nfs server? i get a "Function not implemented" error when trying to export. Thanks! |
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| 23:19.47 | sinizzl | hi |
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| 23:19.55 | sinizzl | is therey by any chance a windows xp suppor/help channel? |
| 23:20.10 | azeem | sinizzl: not here |
| 23:20.16 | sinizzl | i know. |
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| 23:20.24 | sinizzl | azeem: is there one on this server? |
| 23:20.34 | wols_ | ##windows |
| 23:20.36 | azeem | sinizzl: asking about it in here is off-topic |
| 23:20.46 | sinizzl | azeem: jajajajajajaja. |
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| 23:22.04 | LennyInstalled | How to recread udev files ? |
| 23:22.10 | LennyInstalled | How to recreate udev files ? |
| 23:24.03 | Nyle | someone should have told him about /list |
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| 23:27.17 | LennyInstalled | Erro org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy. |
| 23:27.20 | LennyInstalled | How solve it ? |
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| 23:30.55 | sdubois92 | what file should i download from kernel.org? |
| 23:31.12 | azeem | sdubois92: what do you want to do? |
| 23:31.22 | LennyInstalled | how solve it?? |
| 23:31.22 | LennyInstalled | hal-storage-can-unmount-volumes-mounted-by-others refused uid 1000 |
| 23:31.29 | sdubois92 | compile the latest stable release |
| 23:31.47 | azeem | LennyInstalled: did you install gnome-mount? |
| 23:31.51 | azeem | sdubois92: why? |
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| 23:32.15 | DawnLight | enouf: i don't have dhcpcd, but dhclient |
| 23:32.16 | sdubois92 | just so i can know how |
| 23:32.17 | LennyInstalled | sure! |
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| 23:33.36 | LennyInstalled | I need to solve this problem |
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| 23:35.03 | LennyInstalled | umount: /media/disk: busy device |
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| 23:39.29 | unixun | hi, i tried to increase the number of loop devices with adding "options max_loop=256" to /etc/modprobe.conf but is did not work, any idea? |
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| 23:42.35 | kameron | hey i want to install debian to a virtual box to do some testing with a few deb files im releasing |
| 23:43.01 | kameron | can i download the first cd and be up and running with a window manager? |
| 23:43.31 | kameron | i dont have time to download the minimal cd and download a window manager from there, tc |
| 23:43.32 | kameron | etc |
| 23:43.43 | wols_ | kameron: yes |
| 23:43.44 | codazoda | I print from my Debian box to a shared printer that is connected to a Windows 2000 box. After I hibernate, I can no longer print. I need to disconnect and reconnect to that printer share somehow. How might I do that? |
| 23:43.50 | kameron | wols_, yes what? |
| 23:44.02 | wols_ | yes to your question |
| 23:44.24 | kameron | i can get the first cd and it will include a WM, browser, and other basic elements? |
| 23:44.59 | DawnLight | kameron: it is based on popularity |
| 23:45.08 | kameron | okay |
| 23:45.17 | Internat | !kp mantra |
| 23:45.17 | dpkg | kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 23:45.55 | codazoda | I've configured my printer under CUPS. |
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| 23:46.30 | kameron | thanks wols_ DawnLight |
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| 23:47.09 | acu | How do you configure the Xserver I get a Fatal Server error: no screens foound (XIO: fatal IO error 104 on Xserver "0:0" |
| 23:47.23 | streuner | !no screens found |
| 23:47.23 | dpkg | screens found is probably not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X.org) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 23:49.08 | codazoda | Oh, so I just go into CUPS and click "Start". Duh. |
| 23:50.42 | acu | what kernel is lenny using ? |
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| 23:51.48 | h3xis | acu, 2.6.18 |
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| 23:52.14 | acu | h3xis: thanks - does it have driver for broadcom and sata ? |
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| 23:52.26 | kwame | hi, I'm new to debian and don't know where to set up my keyboard as us_intl |
| 23:52.34 | h3xis | acu, i havent the slightest idea. i build my own |
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| 23:52.55 | h3xis | acu, sata - it would seem so. as for broadcom i'm not sure |
| 23:52.59 | kwame | I'm spanish writer/speaking and want to use enie n+~ and accents in vowels |
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| 23:53.14 | h3sp4wn | acu: lenny has 2.6.22 according to dpkg |
| 23:53.38 | KurtKraut | How do I change the machine name in Debian ? |
| 23:53.44 | kwame | !seen damog |
| 23:53.44 | dpkg | damog <~damog@cpe-72-225-236-31.nyc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 6d 1h 23m 19s ago, saying: 'okay'. |
| 23:54.03 | kwame | KurtKraut: just type hostname new_hostname |
| 23:54.34 | KurtKraut | kwame, does that change require reboot ? |
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| 23:54.39 | DawnLight | KurtKraut: and /etc/hostname |
| 23:54.56 | DawnLight | !reboot |
| 23:54.57 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 23:55.06 | KurtKraut | ok ok :P |
| 23:55.14 | kwame | DawnLight: and that too |
| 23:55.25 | acu | h3xis: I have trouble starting the xorg xserver also the bcm43xx broadcom wireless - and I have trouble with both - I am not able to start either of that - I am especially frustrated not being able to start gdm |
| 23:55.37 | acu | maybe I should try lenny |
| 23:55.43 | kwame | acu: it |
| 23:55.58 | kwame | acu: it's not a matter of debian version, it's a layer 8 problem |
| 23:55.59 | kwame | :) |
| 23:56.08 | wols_ | acu: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:56.26 | kwame | KurtKraut: and no, that does not require reboot |
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| 23:57.55 | KurtKraut | kwame, thanks |
| 23:58.04 | kwame | KurtKraut: np |
| 23:59.56 | acu | wols: unfortunately my Xorg log is in a different computer - not the one I chat now |
