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| 00:00.22 | wols_ | acu: does this differenc computer have network access? |
| 00:00.32 | acu | wols_ yes |
| 00:00.43 | kwame | wols_: layer 8 problem :) |
| 00:01.05 | wols_ | acu: then what are you waiting for? |
| 00:01.08 | acu | kwame: what is layer 8 how do you solve it |
| 00:01.11 | kwame | any how, i'm new to debian, i'm looking on how to configure my keyboard on us_intl so I can use n+~ and accent in vowels |
| 00:01.28 | acu | wols_ I do not know how to do it from command interface (to my shame) |
| 00:01.40 | acu | could you jump start me ? |
| 00:01.44 | kwame | acu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8 |
| 00:01.51 | wols_ | !pastewithoutx |
| 00:01.51 | dpkg | methinks pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 00:02.06 | kwame | acu: are you using windows? you can download putty and ssh into that linux debian box |
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| 00:02.13 | wols_ | simply upload the whole log with a text mode browser |
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| 00:06.28 | sander | . |
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| 00:07.01 | S4nD3r | udev.rules file was deleted |
| 00:07.08 | S4nD3r | How to recreate it ??? |
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| 00:11.15 | mikefoo | Anyone know what pkg has the mail utility? |
| 00:11.17 | S4nD3r | udev.rules file was deleted |
| 00:11.17 | S4nD3r | How to recreate it ??? |
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| 00:12.11 | KurtKraut | I'm trying sync date/time with ntpdate but I'm getting this error: Can't adjust the time of day: Operation not permitted |
| 00:12.35 | S4nD3r | How to look for a string in a file in every folders? |
| 00:12.35 | KurtKraut | what should I do ? |
| 00:12.35 | S4nD3r | grep -R "Teste" * |
| 00:12.35 | S4nD3r | ?? |
| 00:12.39 | mikefoo | yah |
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| 00:14.59 | wols_ | KurtKraut: are your root? |
| 00:15.12 | KurtKraut | wols_, yes, I'm running this command as root. |
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| 00:15.42 | wols_ | S4nD3r: grep -r |
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| 00:23.51 | HappyHobo | this is an unrelated question but this is a humongous channel and I hope for an answer |
| 00:24.11 | HappyHobo | is there a cheap place to purchase mp3s online say 49 cents a song |
| 00:24.37 | Zippy2 | why dont you just go to the library |
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| 00:25.37 | HappyHobo | the library library or a site |
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| 00:26.24 | HappyHobo | okay you were saying library |
| 00:27.09 | azeem | HappyHobo: purchasing mp3s is off-topic here, please ask elsewhere |
| 00:27.31 | acu_ | what stage is lenny now ? |
| 00:27.37 | HappyHobo | sorry azeem there wasn't anything else happening and it's all related |
| 00:27.44 | marek` | hey |
| 00:27.51 | marek` | anyone know how to install from usb drive? |
| 00:28.02 | HappyHobo | there wouldn't be rhythmbox questions without mp3s |
| 00:28.27 | HappyHobo | doesn't it automatically mount marek` |
| 00:28.40 | marek` | well i dont know |
| 00:28.51 | marek` | like what files do u put on the usb drive to get it to run from there |
| 00:29.08 | HappyHobo | oh a bootstick |
| 00:29.12 | marek` | yeah |
| 00:29.17 | acu_ | I do not know how to overcome the imposibility to make either gnome or kde work on my hp pavillion amd64 laptop with nvidia card - and I do not know what to do - I tried muto d-i with newer kernels - it still does not work |
| 00:29.31 | marek` | can you point me to the location of the files i need to put on it? |
| 00:29.45 | HappyHobo | I wish I knew marek` because that would be very handy. |
| 00:30.02 | marek` | anyone else? |
| 00:30.20 | mikefoo | Anyone know what pkg has the mail utility? |
| 00:30.31 | marek` | mikefoo, mail utility? |
| 00:30.31 | mikefoo | or how I can find out. |
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| 00:30.58 | mikefoo | yah, /usr/bin/mail |
| 00:31.09 | mikefoo | to send a mail from command line |
| 00:31.09 | marek` | u dont have /usr/bin/mail? |
| 00:31.18 | thruxton | mikefoo: mailx |
| 00:31.20 | mikefoo | nope, for some reason |
| 00:31.24 | marek` | thats odd |
| 00:31.48 | KurtKraut | I want to run an app in a chroot enviroment. How can I install an app inside a chroot folder using apt ? |
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| 00:33.10 | streuner | mkdir /foo; chroot /foo; apt-get install foo |
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| 00:33.53 | HappyHobo | azeem just remember it's all connected |
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| 00:34.06 | mikefoo | streuner: what? |
| 00:34.12 | mikefoo | why would I need ot chroot anywhere? |
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| 00:34.51 | streuner | that was for KurtKraut :-) |
| 00:35.22 | Claudio32m | i'm trying to compile c source code.. is "apt-get install gcc g++ make" pretty much all I'll ever need? cause i was getting some errors so im reinstalling them, maybe i missed something? |
| 00:35.48 | KurtKraut | streuner, but with your instructions I'll be installing the app in the whole system. |
| 00:35.57 | streuner | KurtKraut: but, in debian.org/doc is a nice HOWTO about, IIRC |
| 00:36.17 | streuner | no, only in that folder |
| 00:36.35 | mikefoo | streuner: heh, sorry. |
| 00:37.22 | thruxton | Claudio32m: what errors? (those three packages are enough for basic c compiling) your not linking to libs you don't have installed are you? |
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| 00:37.35 | streuner | !b-e Claudio32m |
| 00:37.35 | dpkg | Claudio32m: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 00:38.17 | Claudio32m | is aptitude like apt-get ? |
| 00:38.44 | streuner | Some people say it would do magic in Debian ;-) |
| 00:38.45 | Claudio32m | thruxton - thats what i was trying to find out |
| 00:38.47 | marek` | clamiax, asme thing |
| 00:38.53 | marek` | err |
| 00:39.00 | streuner | !aptitude |
| 00:39.00 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 00:39.00 | marek` | Claudio32m, very similar |
| 00:39.46 | Zippy2 | how do you se why aptitude and why not aptitude and aptitude-fu?" |
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| 00:47.23 | aliljet | hey .. what happened to this "apache2-ssl-certificate" in etch? |
| 00:47.47 | aliljet | I just want to self sign a ssl certificate for my server the easy way... and that seems like it might be an easy way, but I can't seem to find that script anywhere on debian |
| 00:47.56 | stew | !self signed cert |
| 00:48.01 | stew | hmm, there is something |
| 00:48.03 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl cert |
| 00:48.03 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 00:48.10 | __rui__ | it is possible to redirect the output of a application to another console? |
| 00:48.17 | petemc | mksslcert or some such exists |
| 00:48.19 | aliljet | cool |
| 00:48.22 | edgardoweb | abita87@hotmail.com |
| 00:48.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: self signed cert is <reply> see self-signed ssl cert |
| 00:48.30 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 00:48.50 | acu_ | how do you add fonts for xserver xorg |
| 00:48.59 | acu_ | some files are not found there |
| 00:49.12 | dondelelcaro | generally you just aptitude install foopackagewhichsuppliesfont; |
| 00:49.19 | streuner | !ttf xf4 |
| 00:49.19 | dpkg | For info on how to get True Type Fonts working under XF4, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0011/msg01817.html, or http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html for up-to-date instructions for Woody and greater.. To make true type fonts to work on sid you'll need to configure X to use defoma fonts. Install the x-ttcidfont-conf to do this and then install the true type packages, for example msttcorefonts |
| 00:50.04 | streuner | ^^^ that would be the second case :-) |
| 00:50.27 | Tramp | enouf: the redirection __rui__: you can redirect to /dev/tty? or /dev/pts/* - provided you have write-permission to the device |
| 00:50.37 | Tramp | uhps. |
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| 00:52.05 | acu_ | a stupid question - is any chat tool I can use in text inteface only - on my laptop I cannot go in gnome or kde - and I do not know how to fix it |
| 00:52.11 | drwahl | i am trying to run vncserver, but whenever i do, it creates a NEW desktop. i want to have access to my current desktop. is this possible with vnc? |
| 00:52.13 | dondelelcaro | acu_: irssi |
| 00:52.30 | h3llfire | acu_: irssi, weechat, bitchx |
| 00:52.43 | dondelelcaro | !drxx |
| 00:52.43 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:52.44 | wols_ | drwahl: x11vnc |
| 00:52.59 | dondelelcaro | acu_: as a stopgap, you can use the above command and choose the vesa driver, which should work. |
| 00:53.01 | drwahl | wols_: thanks |
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| 00:54.07 | h3xis | is there a way for me to cuztomize my console screen? i would like to have a similar setup the way slackware has. ive found a console-setup package but i cant seem to figure out what command to use to use it |
| 00:54.22 | dondelelcaro | h3xis: which bit of the console do you want to customize? |
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| 00:54.37 | KurtKraut | A chroot enviroment must be done in a separated partition ? |
| 00:54.37 | dondelelcaro | (and which console are we talking about here?) |
| 00:54.41 | dondelelcaro | KurtKraut: no |
| 00:54.43 | h3xis | dondelelcaro, well, the font at least |
| 00:54.53 | KurtKraut | dondek, thanks |
| 00:55.00 | acu_ | thanks guys - i have to reboot now (I am in Vi$ta) - obviously I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - it did not work - but let me put vesa and cross fingers |
| 00:55.00 | dpkg | de nada, acu_ |
| 00:55.07 | h3xis | dondelelcaro, ctrl+alt+F1-6 |
| 00:55.31 | wols_ | acu_: how about pasting your xorg.log? |
| 00:55.39 | wols_ | and yes, this is even possible from vista on a dualboot |
| 00:56.10 | dondelelcaro | h3xis: then you want consolechars; or similar to loda the font you want. |
| 00:56.47 | lymeca | I just plugged a USB external HDD with FAT32 into my firewire port and Debian doesn't seem to see it. |
| 00:57.01 | lymeca | What is the device file for firewire ports? |
| 00:57.02 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: check dmesg; and see if it showed up there. |
| 00:57.21 | acu_ | wols_: that needed much more inteligence than I have now :) I will try to get a chat running in text mode and maybe manage from there (I almost wrote is such a pain in the ... that I have to spend 8 hours to fix something which is too basic - seem that freedom is not free and price might be steep) :) |
| 00:57.24 | dondelelcaro | lymeca: if everything is working properly, it'll be some /dev/sd*; device. |
| 00:57.39 | wols_ | lymeca: afaik, none. e.g. it's ethX for the networking, sdX for the disks, etc |
| 00:57.57 | wols_ | just like usb ports have no device file |
| 00:58.12 | wols_ | acu_: no it doesn't. get explore2fs and copy the file over |
| 00:58.28 | wols_ | acu_: considering you were unable to paste in text mode |
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| 00:59.26 | acu_ | wols_ thanks It will be an inteligence test which will show the cruel results in two minutes - I am rebooting now in debian |
| 01:00.18 | streuner | KurtKraut: chroot doesnt care on which partition you install... |
| 01:00.48 | lymeca | dondelelcaro: Look at this! |
| 01:00.51 | lymeca | FAT: Did not find valid FSINFO signature. |
| 01:00.51 | lymeca | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.54 | ma3x | wtf just happened to my machine shift ctrl caps dont work |
| 01:01.00 | ma3x | nothing unusual in dmesg |
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| 01:03.55 | S4nD3r | When I connect pendrive, this is not automounted, neither opens filmemanager, why? |
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| 01:04.24 | pipegeek | Howdy |
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| 01:04.39 | ma3x | SynapticsCtrl called. |
| 01:04.48 | ma3x | did that cause the crash of my keyboard functions? |
| 01:05.51 | KurtKraut | How can I set the Debian locale to english ? |
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| 01:07.00 | CppIsWeird | there any programs that will test the throughput of a harddrive? |
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| 01:08.53 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
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| 01:10.33 | wols_ | CppIsWeird: hdparm for example. or bonnie |
| 01:10.52 | wols_ | !tell KurtKraut about locale |
| 01:11.32 | s4xxon | hello, when i try to change the owner of the 'vmware' directory on a rw mounted partition even with root i dont have the permition to do that |
| 01:11.33 | s4xxon | rockpc:/media/win1# chown alarm vmware/ |
| 01:11.33 | s4xxon | chown: changing ownership of `vmware/': Operation not permitted |
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| 01:12.01 | s4xxon | though it did let me change the attributes to: drwxrwxr-x with chmod |
| 01:12.29 | KurtKraut | wo0zy, /etc/default/locale is a blank file... how should I use it ? |
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| 01:13.02 | S4nD3r | ?? |
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| 01:15.04 | jimmybgood | what does << mean in the context of package versions? |
| 01:15.26 | wols_ | S4nD3r: is this a fat filesystem? |
| 01:15.31 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: strictly less than |
| 01:15.33 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 01:15.46 | wols_ | s4xxon: ^^ see above |
| 01:15.53 | jimmybgood | how is strictly less than different from just less than? |
| 01:15.59 | s4xxon | above where ? |
| 01:16.02 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: because it's not also equal to. |
| 01:16.09 | wols_ | s4xxon: is this a fat filesystem? |
| 01:16.13 | s4xxon | yes |
| 01:16.26 | jimmybgood | but less than requires not equal to as well |
| 01:16.27 | wols_ | ever seen a fat filesystem with user and groups? |
| 01:16.42 | s4xxon | frankly talking no... |
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| 01:16.46 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: mathmatically, yes. |
| 01:17.26 | S4nD3r | thereis no this file gparted-disable-automount.fdi. in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy, its a problem ? |
| 01:17.30 | enouf | Tramp: what? i was afk for a while, am leaving agin in 2 minutes |
| 01:17.32 | wols_ | s4xxon: you can mount it undet another user (fat filesystems "inherit" the owner either from mount option or from the mountpoint) |
| 01:17.49 | s4xxon | i see, thank you :) |
| 01:17.59 | jimmybgood | so << is different than <=, I can see that, but how does it differ from < |
| 01:18.04 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: < is invalid. |
| 01:18.05 | Tramp | enouf: sorry. I replied to somebody else and had something leftover in my buffer 8) |
| 01:18.17 | enouf | Tramp: no worries ;-) |
| 01:18.24 | jimmybgood | not according to man dpkg |
| 01:19.15 | jimmybgood | i'm thinking < is the same as << |
| 01:19.57 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: < isn't used in control. |
| 01:20.21 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: --compare-versions supports it for purposes of laziness, but it's not used in control. |
| 01:20.46 | jimmybgood | dondelelcaro: ok, great answer |
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| 01:21.46 | dondelelcaro | (and actually, < used to mean earlier or equal-to) |
| 01:22.07 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: if you really want to know, policy is the thing to read. |
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| 01:22.41 | jimmybgood | gave up trying to find it in policy |
| 01:22.49 | dondelelcaro | jimmybgood: well, it's pretty easy; search for << |
| 01:23.22 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:25.45 | jimmybgood | html is one page per chapter, I was looking in wrong chapter. that's why I hate info files |
| 01:26.28 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 01:27.51 | jack|Helium | can anyone in here give me some quick IR help |
| 01:28.11 | jack|Helium | I have a thinkpad A21m, and I need to get lirc running on the integrated IR port |
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| 01:28.54 | jack|Helium | I have the driver compiled and installed, but when I do a modprobe lirc_sir, it says "Device or Resource Busy" |
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| 01:29.39 | jack|Helium | anyone maybe know why this is happening and how to get around it? |
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| 01:31.03 | dondelelcaro | jack|Helium: that usually means that the device doesn't exist or the module doesn't recognize it |
| 01:31.36 | dondelelcaro | jack|Helium: check dmesg; for more information |
| 01:31.49 | jack|Helium | it exists, and the module will install on other irq/io settings usually |
| 01:31.56 | flami | mumble.sf.net |
| 01:32.00 | nepbabu | hi dondelelcaro |
| 01:32.01 | flami | darn |
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| 01:32.14 | nepbabu | g'day everyone |
| 01:32.24 | darkbahamut | hey everyone |
| 01:32.43 | nepbabu | hey darkbahamut :) |
| 01:33.11 | darkbahamut | umm.. i got a noob question |
| 01:33.12 | S4nD3r | How make my pendrive automount when be inserted?? (lenny) |
| 01:33.15 | jack|Helium | dondelelcaro: it says on thinkwiki to run a setserial comand, but if I do that and then modprobe again, it hangs the system |
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| 01:33.41 | darkbahamut | does debian etch come with something to extract .tar? |
| 01:33.41 | jack|Helium | S4nD3r: It aught to do that automatically |
| 01:33.50 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: yes. tar. |
| 01:33.50 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: yes |
| 01:33.51 | Nyle | darkbahamut: yes, tar |
| 01:33.59 | Nyle | jinx |
| 01:34.06 | darkbahamut | lol that was cool |
| 01:34.11 | darkbahamut | 3 way jynx |
| 01:34.12 | nepbabu | !beer |
| 01:34.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 01:34.26 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: and I believe the archive manager as well |
| 01:34.43 | darkbahamut | cool ill check |
| 01:34.55 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, apt-get install file-roller; |
| 01:34.56 | darkbahamut | i just downloaded something thats .tar.gz |
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| 01:35.08 | S4nD3r | its not mount automatically |
| 01:35.09 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, file-roller some.tar.gz; |
| 01:35.23 | darkbahamut | k |
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| 01:35.25 | darkbahamut | thanks |
| 01:35.29 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: so tar -zxf foo.tar.gz; man tar; for details |
| 01:36.06 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, tar xvf some.tar.gz; |
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| 01:36.19 | nepbabu | dondelelcaro, see man pages as well. |
| 01:36.20 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 01:36.26 | Azar | ? ? |
| 01:36.27 | nepbabu | hey Azar |
| 01:36.29 | nepbabu | :) |
| 01:36.38 | Azar | hahaha someone spoonfeeding dondelecaro? |
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| 01:36.44 | nepbabu | nope. |
| 01:36.49 | nepbabu | tab fsck. :( |
| 01:36.56 | Azar | right, don't spoonfeed him |
| 01:37.07 | nepbabu | i know i know |
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| 01:37.45 | S4nD3r | its a but ? |
| 01:37.52 | S4nD3r | of lenny? |
| 01:38.01 | Azar | but? what is a but? |
| 01:38.15 | jack|Helium | anyone have any idea how I might get my IR working? |
| 01:38.22 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, have you got autofs, hal installed? |
| 01:38.40 | jack|Helium | modprobe lirc_sir returns "device or resouce busy" |
| 01:38.53 | nepbabu | jack|Helium, prolly it's busy then. |
| 01:38.55 | nepbabu | :D |
| 01:39.01 | S4nD3r | autofs not yet |
| 01:39.05 | S4nD3r | ready |
| 01:39.09 | S4nD3r | its installed right now |
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| 01:39.15 | jack|Helium | nepbabu: how do I make it "un-busy" |
| 01:39.22 | nepbabu | no idea jack |
| 01:39.43 | Azar | top or htop (if installed) see which process uses it and kill |
| 01:39.57 | S4nD3r | What to do right now ? |
| 01:40.08 | nepbabu | jack|Helium, try 'lsof' as well |
| 01:40.22 | jack|Helium | I would ask in #lirc, if there was a #lirc ;) |
| 01:40.44 | Azar | jack|Helium: easier: google "lirc problems" |
| 01:41.30 | S4nD3r | nepbabu, I installed autofs. But this is not automouting |
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| 01:42.10 | nepbabu | other than that i have no clue S4nD3r |
| 01:42.28 | darkbahamut | umm.. another noob question sorry |
| 01:42.28 | phaidros | re |
| 01:42.36 | nepbabu | !ask > darkbahamut |
| 01:42.37 | nepbabu | :) |
| 01:42.39 | darkbahamut | anyone know how to install ndiswrapper? |
| 01:42.44 | nepbabu | doh |
| 01:42.47 | darkbahamut | lol |
| 01:42.49 | nepbabu | !ask |
| 01:42.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:42.50 | S4nD3r | Ill see that site |
| 01:43.05 | darkbahamut | sry i never done anything on linux b4 |
| 01:43.20 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, what's the problem man? |
| 01:43.36 | Azar | nepbabu gonna fixor it |
| 01:43.52 | nepbabu | Azar, ahh well, i am expert like you guys.. :p |
| 01:43.53 | darkbahamut | nepbabu: i click install and nothing happens? |
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| 01:44.13 | jack|Helium | nepbabu: what am I looking for in lsof |
| 01:44.19 | S4nD3r | its so complicated |
| 01:44.20 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, what r ya talking about man? |
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| 01:44.27 | Azar | haha |
| 01:44.43 | nepbabu | *sigh* |
| 01:44.51 | mikearthur | !confi |
| 01:44.58 | darkbahamut | nepbabu: i downloaded ndiswrapper, extracted it, click on install and nothing happens |
| 01:45.05 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:45.07 | mikearthur | how do I reinstall configuration files? |
| 01:45.10 | Azar | darkbahamut: if you use Debian ofcourse clicking on some install not gonna work |
| 01:45.16 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, you need a good ndiswrapper guide. |
| 01:45.16 | marek` | hey |
| 01:45.19 | simonrvn | mikearthur: confmiss |
| 01:45.19 | nepbabu | !ndiswrapper |
| 01:45.19 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:45.24 | marek` | how can u turn off system beep through the command line? |
| 01:45.32 | nepbabu | hi simonrvn |
| 01:45.41 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: probably theres a debian package in a repo somewhere which would be easier by far |
| 01:45.46 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: I hate to say it, but gnome-volume-manager |
| 01:45.56 | darkbahamut | azar, nepbabu: i see.. ill check into it |
| 01:46.14 | nepbabu | marek`, try alsamixer |
| 01:46.18 | marek` | its not installed |
| 01:46.19 | Azar | nepbabu: you bettertell darkbahamut how Debian installs packages |
| 01:46.21 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, goodluck. |
| 01:46.32 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: unless of couse there are some native drivers for your card, in which case you can do some cool stuff like packet injection :) |
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| 01:46.43 | Azar | nepbabu: do you know how? |
| 01:46.46 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, you can't double-click and install packages in debian. |
| 01:46.53 | Azar | :) hahahaha |
| 01:47.01 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: i dont know i was just asked to try ndiswrapper |
| 01:47.01 | nepbabu | Azar, that's as easy as it gets man |
| 01:47.02 | nepbabu | :) |
| 01:47.17 | simonrvn | Azar: qotd |
| 01:47.21 | robboplus | anyone from Africa around? |
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| 01:47.28 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: who makes your card? or is it integrated? |
| 01:47.28 | Azar | hi simonrvn :) |
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| 01:47.49 | simonrvn | hi everyone |
| 01:47.56 | Azar | Mark Shuttleworth.... but he might be at #ubuntu |
| 01:47.56 | nepbabu | hey simonrvn |
| 01:48.03 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: yea its built in Broadcom wireless |
| 01:48.04 | marek` | okay i installed alsa-base and everything is muted in alsamixer |
| 01:48.07 | marek` | but i still get the beep |
| 01:48.10 | nepbabu | who is Mark Shuttleworth? |
| 01:48.18 | Azar | a guy from Africa |
| 01:48.22 | nepbabu | ahh |
| 01:48.23 | simonrvn | dude who founded canonical and ubuntu |
| 01:48.25 | marek` | there are only 3 options when i run 'alsamixer' |
| 01:48.26 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: thats what I have! there are native drivers! |
| 01:48.32 | nepbabu | right. |
| 01:48.34 | marek` | any ideas? |
| 01:48.38 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: woa cool |
| 01:48.40 | simonrvn | !wiki Mark_Shuttleworth |
| 01:49.01 | simonrvn | @wiki Mark_Shuttleworth |
| 01:49.01 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: so you know how to get that working? |
| 01:49.02 | nepbabu | bot is borked simonrvn |
| 01:49.06 | nepbabu | :p |
| 01:49.16 | simonrvn | @+wiki Mark_Shuttleworth |
| 01:49.18 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: hold on just a moment |
| 01:49.20 | ravenbird | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox Astronaut | name =Mark Shuttleworth | image =Mark Shuttleworth.jpg | type =Spaceflight Participant | nationality =South African / British | date_birth ={{birth date and age|1973|9|18}} | date_death = | place_birth =Welkom, Free State | place_death = | occupation =Entrepreneur | rank = | selection =2001 | time =9d 21h 25m | mission =Soyuz TM-34, |
| 01:49.25 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: cool thanks :D |
| 01:49.27 | nepbabu | w00t? |
| 01:49.41 | nepbabu | simonrvn, how many more you got hiding there? |
| 01:49.45 | nepbabu | :p |
| 01:50.04 | S4nD3r | gnome-volume-manager do not answer |
| 01:50.13 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, alsa-mizer |
| 01:50.19 | nepbabu | alsa-mixer |
| 01:50.21 | Azar | nepbabu: what OS are YOU running? |
| 01:50.26 | simonrvn | alsamixer |
| 01:50.30 | nepbabu | Azar, etch |
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| 01:50.56 | Azar | nepbabu: so how you do not know how to tell darkbahamut about the packaging manager in Debian? |
| 01:50.57 | S4nD3r | alsamixer works |
| 01:51.04 | marek` | incase anyone wants to know how to remove system beep just do 'rmmod pcspkr' |
| 01:51.11 | S4nD3r | shows sound setup |
| 01:51.13 | marek` | then add that to blacklist file for permanent removal |
| 01:51.16 | simonrvn | !rmmod |
| 01:51.16 | dpkg | i heard rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead |
| 01:51.17 | nepbabu | well, he doesn't want to know |
| 01:51.19 | nepbabu | :p |
| 01:51.31 | marek` | then modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 01:51.32 | marek` | whatever |
| 01:51.36 | Azar | nepbabu: just don't confuse the new users |
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| 01:51.47 | simonrvn | rmmod can do weird/nasty things |
| 01:51.53 | nepbabu | sure Azar |
| 01:51.59 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: I know I have the info somewhere around here... |
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| 01:52.18 | Azar | simonrvn: how do you quotd this? < nepbabu> dondelelcaro, see man pages as well |
| 01:52.27 | nepbabu | Azar, that was a typo |
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| 01:52.36 | Azar | nepbabu: it's ok it looks funny |
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| 01:52.44 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: what kinda computer do you have? |
| 01:52.47 | nepbabu | Azar, <nepbabu> tab fsck. :( |
| 01:52.50 | simonrvn | find a free qotdXXX then add it as such, then edit qotd0 if need be |
| 01:53.00 | sdubois92 | should i be alright just running make menu config, or is there anything in the config file i should edit? |
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| 01:53.03 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 01:53.07 | S4nD3r | gnome-volume-manager do not answer, what to do now ? |
| 01:53.15 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: are you running gnome? |
| 01:53.19 | S4nD3r | shure |
| 01:53.21 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 01:53.42 | jimmybgood | remove any reference to the keydrive in /etc/fstab and get rid of autofs |
| 01:54.02 | sdubois92 | jimmybgood: me? |
| 01:54.25 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: yes |
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| 01:55.19 | s4xxon | what is a similar command to 'free' ? |
| 01:55.23 | S4nD3r | and me ? |
| 01:55.37 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: i meant you not sdubois92 |
| 01:55.38 | simonrvn | memstat |
| 01:55.44 | s4xxon | danke :) |
| 01:55.57 | s4xxon | ehm dont have it |
| 01:56.05 | s4xxon | i mean this command/application |
| 01:56.16 | s4xxon | there was another that was taking also a -m flag, for showing in megabytes |
| 01:56.21 | s4xxon | cant remember which one it was |
| 01:56.35 | simonrvn | free does that |
| 01:56.50 | S4nD3r | jimmybgood, all references in fstab was removed |
| 01:56.57 | S4nD3r | and got rid of autofs |
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| 01:57.28 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone help me to find drivers for a graphic tabled with a press sensitive pensil ? |
| 01:57.32 | mikearthur | how can I find the "origin" for a apt-pin? |
| 01:57.45 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: well, it worked for me - try logging out and back in? |
| 01:57.55 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: IBM thinkpad A21m (external wireless card) |
| 01:57.57 | simonrvn | mikearthur: man apt_preferences |
| 01:57.57 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 01:58.07 | jack|Helium | jack|Helium: I think I used these packages: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/bcm43xx/http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/bcm43xx/ |
| 01:58.08 | rocketmagnet | where can i find drivers ? or how to search for them with apt-get |
| 01:58.17 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium? |
| 01:58.26 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: sorry, http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/bcm43xx/ |
| 01:58.42 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: cool thanks :D |
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| 01:59.03 | S4nD3r | keydrive didnt automount |
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| 01:59.23 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: unplug and plug back in? |
| 01:59.42 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: once they're installed (I'm not sure if you want the fiesty version , or one of the others), go into a teminal emulator and (as root/with sudo) type modprobe bcm43xx |
| 01:59.49 | S4nD3r | yes jimmybgood |
| 01:59.54 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: what kinda computer do you have? |
| 02:00.07 | cusco | S4nD3r: look in dmesg about that usb key |
| 02:00.14 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: sorry, i can't resist giving advice, but I'm out of ideas |
| 02:00.18 | cusco | then mount the /dev/sdXX |
| 02:00.28 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: thinkpad A21m with an external wifi card |
| 02:00.38 | S4nD3r | if I double click, is mounting |
| 02:00.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone recommend an el-cheapo webcam that is guaranteed to work with Linux? |
| 02:00.49 | cusco | using gnome? |
| 02:00.50 | jack|Helium | my card has a broadcom 4306 chip in it |
| 02:01.05 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ahh i got a HP Pavilion dv6040us |
| 02:01.24 | Nyle | jack|Helium: mine too |
| 02:01.28 | cusco | S4nD3r: are you using gnome? |
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| 02:01.39 | S4nD3r | Yes, gnome |
| 02:01.45 | Nyle | broadcom sucks |
| 02:02.00 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: im having problems with my acpi so im trying to find wlan and audio drivers to see if they will work with acpi=off |
| 02:02.00 | simonrvn | ...hairy donkey balls |
| 02:02.08 | Nyle | dude |
| 02:02.09 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: where are you double-clicking? |
| 02:02.09 | Nyle | sick |
| 02:02.12 | Nyle | but true |
| 02:02.21 | jack|Helium | Nyle: you're a thinkpad user |
| 02:02.21 | cusco | do you have the package gnome-volumes-manager installed? |
| 02:02.29 | Nyle | jack|Helium: nope |
| 02:02.34 | S4nD3r | in filemanager |
| 02:03.02 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: odd. My acpi works fine on this laptop, but I've had problems on other computers |
| 02:03.39 | Azar | misterrr Nyle my man |
| 02:03.41 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: that's a nice laptop... mines from pre-2000 |
| 02:04.03 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: i thought it sounded pretty old |
| 02:04.05 | __rui__ | how i can read data written to a tty? |
| 02:04.06 | S4nD3r | nautilus --no-desktop --browser %U |
| 02:04.20 | cusco | jack|Helium: you can use that bcm 4306 with ndiswrapper |
| 02:04.30 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: I like thinkpads a lot (good linux support), but I just wish mine were newer |
| 02:04.34 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: when you right click on icon do you have the option to mount volume? |
| 02:04.41 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 02:05.00 | Nyle | http://bash.org/?178890 |
| 02:05.02 | Nyle | no |
| 02:05.04 | jack|Helium | cusco: I know, but bcm43xx driver is native, and supports packet injection if it's patched |
| 02:05.09 | Nyle | http://www.stephenparker.me.uk/funny/donkey.jpg |
| 02:05.10 | Nyle | that |
| 02:05.19 | S4nD3r | jimmybgood, Yes ! |
| 02:05.21 | jack|Helium | cusco: and monitor mode even if it's not |
| 02:05.25 | cusco | jack|Helium: oh.. right so whats wrong with that one? |
| 02:05.27 | Nyle | thats in pakistan |
| 02:05.28 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:06.09 | jack|Helium | cusco: nothing... I'm complaining about my laptop, not my wifi :) |
| 02:06.09 | Azar | woohoo!! http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200711/error'd/woohoo.jpg |
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| 02:06.28 | Nyle | Azar: my main man dude homie bro |
| 02:06.34 | Nyle | I had something for you yesterday |
| 02:06.41 | Nyle | Azar: ping |
| 02:06.45 | Azar | man I had to run for a movie |
| 02:06.53 | Azar | yay a ping! |
| 02:06.57 | Nyle | i usually sit down to watch movies |
| 02:07.03 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: use gconf-editor |
| 02:07.05 | Nyle | but i guess if you like to run |
| 02:07.06 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: is the package installing alright? |
| 02:07.07 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:07.19 | S4nD3r | jimmybgood, ok |
| 02:07.20 | Azar | I like to lay on my oriental sofa |
| 02:07.20 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium |
| 02:07.21 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium |
| 02:07.23 | S4nD3r | what to change? |
| 02:07.47 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: umm i never installed anything b4 o.o |
| 02:08.02 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: also rly new to linux dunno what to do |
| 02:08.12 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: ok, I'll help then |
| 02:08.21 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: :D |
| 02:08.21 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: I've been in your position :) |
| 02:08.27 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: desktop - gnome - volume-manager check aoutmount_media |
| 02:08.41 | jimmybgood | automount_media |
| 02:08.43 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: go into synaptic package manager |
| 02:09.13 | S4nD3r | its checked |
| 02:09.29 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: maybe automount_drives maybe both |
| 02:09.32 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: k got it |
| 02:09.42 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: open* |
| 02:09.43 | S4nD3r | are both |
| 02:10.28 | S4nD3r | automount_drives and automount_media are checked |
| 02:11.13 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: oops, did the wrong thing first, but you'll need synaptic anyway, so dont close it |
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| 02:11.41 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: go to "Software Proporties" under administration |
| 02:12.36 | jack|Helium | enter the administration password in the box, then click the "Add" button |
| 02:13.07 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: then tell me when you're there |
| 02:13.23 | Nyle | taco bell, taco bell, product placement with taco bell |
| 02:13.28 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: umm where do i find this software properties? |
| 02:13.48 | jack|Helium | System > Administration > Software Proporties |
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| 02:14.26 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: its not there |
| 02:14.55 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: what version of debian are you using? |
| 02:14.56 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: all i have is alsaconf |
| 02:15.04 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: debian etch |
| 02:16.11 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: are you logged into gnome as a regular user? |
| 02:16.59 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: yup, but i needed to enter my admin password for the Synaptic Package Manager so i think i got admin privlages on it |
| 02:17.46 | jack|Helium | are you looking in system adminitration in the left side of synaptic, or system > administration in the bar at the top of the screen? |
| 02:18.07 | jack|Helium | it's in the one at the top (beside Applications and Places) |
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| 02:18.45 | S4nD3r | great |
| 02:18.50 | S4nD3r | now its working properly |
| 02:18.55 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: the bar at the top left of the desktop |
| 02:19.24 | jack|Helium | yeah, (near the foot) its not in there? |
| 02:19.34 | jack|Helium | odd. |
| 02:19.35 | S4nD3r | another issue |
| 02:19.41 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: wait wait i found it sry bout that |
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| 02:19.44 | S4nD3r | I have keydrive with 4GB |
| 02:19.48 | jack|Helium | that's fine |
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| 02:20.09 | darkbahamut | brb |
| 02:20.09 | S4nD3r | its recognized as mp4 or something like that |
| 02:20.17 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: click the "Add" button, then click "custom" in the window that opens |
| 02:20.39 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium:k |
| 02:20.56 | S4nD3r | When I connect a 1GB keydrive, it was recognized as usbdrive |
| 02:21.11 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: apt line? |
| 02:21.14 | jack|Helium | then in the box, type "deb http://ubuntu.cafuego.net dapper-cafuego bcm43xx" (just copy and paste |
| 02:21.26 | jack|Helium | without the quotes |
| 02:21.32 | S4nD3r | Is possible to setup software to recognize the keydrive of 4GB to opens as 1GB keydrive? |
| 02:22.05 | jack|Helium | then do add/custom again and put "deb-src http://ubuntu.cafuego.net dapper-cafuego bcm43xx" in the apt line |
| 02:22.41 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: when you're done, click close |
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| 02:23.00 | jack|Helium | if it asks you to refresh, click no/cancel |
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| 02:23.15 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: then in synaptic, hit the refresh button |
| 02:23.54 | jack|Helium | and tell me when you're done |
| 02:24.51 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium 1 sec |
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| 02:25.43 | darkbahamut | it says Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem. |
| 02:25.44 | darkbahamut | E: Malformed line 11 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (type) |
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| 02:26.04 | darkbahamut | it has an error |
| 02:26.14 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: it has an error* |
| 02:26.21 | jack|Helium | go into synaptic settings/repositories |
| 02:26.28 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: sorry, I am a slow typist |
| 02:26.42 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: np |
| 02:27.15 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, if it's partition size is 4gb, it will open 4gb. |
| 02:27.26 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, if it's 1gb it will open 1gb. :) |
| 02:27.27 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: do i have to add the sites again? |
| 02:27.29 | S4nD3r | This is ok ! |
| 02:27.35 | jack|Helium | no, just fix the last one |
| 02:27.44 | S4nD3r | But when the device is opened |
| 02:27.57 | jack|Helium | click on the one that says ubuntu.cafuego.net |
| 02:28.00 | S4nD3r | one is opened as music player |
| 02:28.11 | S4nD3r | other as device data ! |
| 02:28.21 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, i don't understand what you are saying bro. |
| 02:28.25 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: its not in the list |
| 02:28.30 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: actually ,there should be two... |
| 02:28.57 | S4nD3r | When keydrive of 4GB is connected, rhythmbox is opened |
| 02:29.02 | jack|Helium | uhh..., go into the software proporties and tell me if it's in there... |
| 02:29.04 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, ok. |
| 02:29.14 | S4nD3r | as I have connected a music device |
| 02:29.18 | jack|Helium | you can close synaptic settins/repositories |
| 02:29.21 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, yes |
| 02:29.42 | S4nD3r | But, when keydrive of 1GB is connected, nautilus is opened, as I have connected a data device |
| 02:29.47 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: it might not have saved |
| 02:29.54 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, so that is expected. right? |
| 02:29.59 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: that could be it |
| 02:30.11 | jack|Helium | is it in software proporties? |
| 02:30.38 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: when i hit reload b4 i closed the other window it had an error also said 2 programs were running |
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| 02:31.26 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: hmm its in the system properties |
| 02:31.37 | jack|Helium | click edit |
| 02:31.39 | S4nD3r | yes |
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| 02:32.27 | jack|Helium | the top should say http://ubuntu.cafuego.net |
| 02:32.33 | jack|Helium | the middle dapper-cafuego |
| 02:32.45 | jack|Helium | and the bottom bcm43xx |
| 02:33.12 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: is that what it says? |
| 02:33.33 | S4nD3r | forget it |
| 02:33.39 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: 1 sec there are 3 that say almost the same thing |
| 02:33.41 | S4nD3r | I have another doubt |
| 02:33.43 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: do you have music files on the 4GB device? |
| 02:33.48 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, forgotten |
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| 02:33.50 | nepbabu | :p |
| 02:34.05 | S4nD3r | I dont have music file there |
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| 02:34.30 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: umm nvm its not on the list i was looking at other ones.. ill re-add them |
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| 02:34.44 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: ok |
| 02:35.29 | S4nD3r | When umount device, is possible to show a message that device can be remove safely? |
| 02:36.13 | jack|Helium | when you're done, close software proporties, if it asks to refresh, say no, then in synaptic, click refresh |
| 02:36.43 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, i believe it's possible. |
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| 02:37.04 | S4nD3r | Theres this funcion in gnome? |
| 02:37.47 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, i think can use gnome notification for that. |
| 02:38.17 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, i have seen it in fedora and ubantu |
| 02:38.54 | S4nD3r | humm |
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| 02:39.26 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: done? |
| 02:39.35 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: i get an error E: Malformed line 11 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (type) |
| 02:39.38 | darkbahamut | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 02:40.00 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, check line 11 dude |
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| 02:40.27 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: but did it do any sort of updating? |
| 02:40.42 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: we can fix that afterward |
| 02:40.43 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: nope.. brb checking line 11 |
| 02:41.04 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:41.22 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: yup |
| 02:41.37 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: you need to be root to do that, but go ahead. |
| 02:42.05 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, it should be something like this -> "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ etch-backports main contrib non-free" |
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| 02:42.18 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:42.29 | nepbabu | TrueDD, laterz |
| 02:43.41 | darkbahamut | nepbabu, jack|Helium: it says "deb http://ubuntu.cafuego.net dapper-cafuego bcm43xx |
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| 02:43.55 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, is this ubantu? |
| 02:43.55 | mikearthur | I'm getting lots of ldconfig: file $LIBRARY.so.* is truncated messages, any ideas how to fix this? |
| 02:44.10 | darkbahamut | nepbabu: nope? |
| 02:45.06 | darkbahamut | nepbabu |
| 02:45.09 | darkbahamut | oops |
| 02:45.16 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: hold on |
| 02:45.19 | darkbahamut | nepbabu: this is debian etch |
| 02:45.33 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, let me see the exact line you need. wait. |
| 02:45.36 | jack|Helium | nepbabu: it doesnt matter... |
| 02:45.47 | nepbabu | jack|Helium, why? |
| 02:46.05 | Azar | hehe didn't know mister cafuego was on ubuntu |
| 02:46.16 | jack|Helium | nepbabu: I'm using it in lenny, and it works |
| 02:46.24 | mikearthur | how would I tell apt or dpkg to reinstall ALL packages? |
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| 02:46.43 | nepbabu | jack|Helium, and that's the exact line? |
| 02:46.44 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: I have "deb http://ubuntu.cafuego.net dapper-cafuego bcm43xx" |
| 02:47.14 | Nyle | cafeuego is everwhere |
| 02:47.48 | nepbabu | that's the correct line afaicr. jack|Helium darkbahamut |
| 02:47.51 | nepbabu | hmm.. |
| 02:48.03 | darkbahamut | weird o.O |
| 02:48.04 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, remove the double quotes if you have one. |
| 02:48.27 | darkbahamut | nepbabu: i made sure i had none |
| 02:48.51 | darkbahamut | nepbabu: umm...... nvm i dunno how they got there |
| 02:48.52 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, and 'apt-get update' doesn't work right? |
| 02:49.34 | Azar | darkbahamut: use a paster and paste the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:49.36 | Azar | !paster |
| 02:49.36 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:49.37 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: so that was it? |
| 02:49.51 | Azar | nepbabu: you made darkbahamut dizzy man |
| 02:49.54 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, which one do you want? |
| 02:49.56 | nepbabu | hehe |
| 02:49.58 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: checking now |
| 02:50.29 | nepbabu | jack|Helium, when getting bcmxxx, did it pull any other packages along with it? |
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| 02:50.47 | jack|Helium | nepbabu: nope, in fact, that's the only package in the reop |
| 02:50.50 | jack|Helium | *repo |
| 02:50.52 | nepbabu | jack|Helium, cool. |
| 02:51.03 | nepbabu | darkbahamut, get it directly using your web browser |
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| 02:51.21 | Azar | nepbabu: ever used Debian's suppositories? |
| 02:51.31 | nepbabu | Azar, nope. what's that man? |
| 02:51.33 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: if it updates right, you need to use synaptic to install bcm43xx-firmware |
| 02:52.13 | Azar | sorry I ment repositories |
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| 02:52.21 | nepbabu | heheh |
| 02:52.30 | nepbabu | i got that one Azar :( |
| 02:52.45 | Azar | really, I ment repositories |
| 02:52.47 | darkbahamut | nepbabu, jack|Helium: its not working how do i download it from web browser? |
| 02:53.07 | nepbabu | Azar, ok man. but according to wikip, it's something else. |
| 02:53.08 | mikearthur | how would I reinstall all my packages? |
| 02:53.12 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: in that case, you might want to remove those lines form sources.list |
| 02:53.16 | Azar | darkbahamut: can you KINDLY paste your /etc/apt/sources.list for me to see? |
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| 02:53.40 | Azar | !paste |
| 02:53.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:53.54 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/dapper-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.3-1ubuntu2_all.deb |
| 02:54.14 | jack|Helium | put that in your web browser |
| 02:54.25 | Azar | jack|Helium: this is a Debian channel, please use Debian sources |
| 02:54.32 | nepbabu | hehe |
| 02:54.38 | nepbabu | :)) |
| 02:54.38 | Azar | oh , and Debian is NOT ubuntu |
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| 02:54.51 | jack|Helium | Azar: there arent any... |
| 02:54.59 | Azar | dapper is ubuntu |
| 02:55.22 | Azar | so give him the Debian sources if you got 'em |
| 02:55.37 | jack|Helium | Azar: I know.. I'm runnning lenny, but there are no debian packages anywhere for this, and the 3rd party ubuntu ones work fine, so I use those |
| 02:55.59 | darkbahamut | 2 sec im trying to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list with nano |
| 02:56.00 | Azar | well it is incorrect you do whatever want to your box |
| 02:56.00 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: is it done downloading? |
| 02:56.04 | darkbahamut | 1 sec* |
| 02:56.26 | Azar | darkbahamut: on Debian use apt-get or aptitude to get a package |
| 02:56.41 | Azar | or compile a download the debian way |
| 02:56.56 | jack|Helium | Azar: I know. The package doesn't depend on anything else at all though, and should be universal to all distros |
| 02:57.05 | Azar | not on Debian |
| 02:57.13 | nepbabu | Azar, seriously man i thought suppositories were like different way of getting packages. hahaha |
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| 02:57.19 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:57.19 | nepbabu | !beer Azar |
| 02:58.22 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: almost there? |
| 02:58.36 | Azar | jack|Helium: when a package is not on the repository ment for your Debian version, there are backports that might contain that package |
| 02:58.40 | Azar | !backports |
| 02:58.40 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 02:58.59 | jack|Helium | Azar: there are no debian packages for 4cm43xx |
| 02:59.02 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: i think it downloaded |
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| 02:59.23 | jack|Helium | Azar: or ubuntu packages either for that matter, except these 3rd party ones |
| 02:59.28 | Azar | jack|Helium: I doubt that, unless BSD specifially forbids the use of their driver on other linux distros |
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| 02:59.41 | jack|Helium | Azar: it's not BSD |
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| 02:59.47 | nepbabu | hi wols |
| 03:00.01 | Azar | yea is not BSD I remember now, linux devs slapped BSD hands off of it |
| 03:00.26 | Azar | so is in linux so it might be there somewhere |
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| 03:00.33 | Azar | wtf? |
| 03:00.34 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: go into a terminal, and navigate to the place where it downloaded |
| 03:00.39 | jack|Helium | whoa.... |
| 03:00.45 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ok |
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| 03:00.53 | jack|Helium | quitters!! :) |
| 03:01.01 | S4nD3r | Id like to hiden devices mounted from desktop. |
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| 03:01.28 | jack|Helium | Azar: it's just the firmware files for a wifi card, not a program, or anything that would affect the system... |
| 03:01.57 | jack|Helium | Azar: the only difference from a tar.gz file is that this installs it to the right spot automatically |
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| 03:02.34 | Azar | jack|Helium: if you guys even BOTHER to google you could have this problem solved: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7949 |
| 03:02.47 | Azar | do it the DEBIAN way , not the Ubuntu way |
| 03:02.52 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: when you're there (Need help?) type dpkg -i bcm43xx*deb |
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| 03:02.57 | Azar | or move to #ubuntu and teach them how to do it |
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| 03:03.07 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: or pause and let me look at what Azar linked to |
| 03:03.18 | minerale | is it possible to run squid via inetd? |
| 03:03.45 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: gconf editor apps - nautilus - desktop uncheck volumes_visible |
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| 03:04.40 | jack|Helium | Azar: yes, I know, but I had problems when I had to do that, and just got the files instead this way (which worked) |
| 03:04.47 | S4nD3r | fantastic |
| 03:04.56 | ehc | I frequently have complete cds with a song or two added on to the end. The songs at the end make the track fail to be recognized with cddb. Is there a way to search for the id3 tags for the songs that are on the cd without the last few that were added on? In k3b or another program? |
| 03:05.16 | darkbahamut | im a bit confused |
| 03:05.21 | Azar | heh S4nD3r just dropped off the wire |
| 03:06.11 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: Azar wants you to use bcm43xx-fwcutter to extract the firmware yourself, andthen install it manually. This didn't work for me (fwcutter wouldnt install right) but might for you. The guide is at the link he posted. If you still want to do it my way, I'll tell you, but it's fine if you dont |
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| 03:06.23 | Azar | jack|Helium: http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx < even easier |
| 03:06.46 | S4nD3r | almost perfect if worked |
| 03:07.11 | nepbabu | !beer Azar |
| 03:07.28 | jack|Helium | Azar: When I tried that (using one of those guides) apt complained and wouldnt install bmc43x-fwcutter |
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| 03:07.39 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: well umm i think i wanna try it your way first because you had success with it |
| 03:07.50 | Azar | jack|Helium: what kernel version you are using? |
| 03:08.01 | jack|Helium | Azar: 2.6.22 |
| 03:08.10 | Azar | then it should be there: no need to install |
| 03:08.11 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: ok, are you in a terminal |
| 03:08.17 | darkbahamut | yup |
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| 03:08.27 | jack|Helium | Azar: the driver is, the firmware, which the driver needs, is not |
| 03:08.39 | Azar | just add the module to the /etc/modules |
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| 03:09.01 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: you in the same folder as the file |
| 03:09.12 | Nyle | modules |
| 03:09.13 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:09.16 | Nyle | i like modules |
| 03:09.20 | nepbabu | yummy |
| 03:09.25 | nepbabu | hi Nyle |
| 03:09.28 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:09.34 | jack|Helium | Azar: the module only works if the firmware is present though... |
| 03:10.03 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: umm 1 sec |
| 03:10.51 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: when you are, if you still want to do it my way, the only thing you have to do is type (as root/with sudo) dpkg -i bcm43xx-firmware*.deb |
| 03:10.54 | S4nD3r | jimmybgood, after change the checked |
| 03:10.56 | S4nD3r | how to try? |
| 03:11.02 | Azar | jack|Helium: Getting and extracting the firmware: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7949 scroll down and read |
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| 03:11.53 | Azar | tho I think hotplug is no more in Etch: udev replaces it |
| 03:11.54 | Claudio32m | i setup a port forward using iptables, i rebooted and when i type iptables --list shouldn't I see it? |
| 03:11.55 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium do i have to locate the file only? |
| 03:12.05 | jack|Helium | Azar: I know, but like I said, when I tried it, bcm43xx-fwcutter wouldn't install through apt. I googled and searched the forums, but no one knew how to make it work |
| 03:12.30 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: try typing "cd ~/Desktop" |
| 03:12.31 | Claudio32m | the port forward works |
| 03:12.35 | jack|Helium | then type "ls" |
| 03:12.37 | Claudio32m | just cant list it with the --list |
| 03:12.44 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: is it in the list |
| 03:12.50 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: it's automatic - actually I'm not sure exactly what you want - i was just guessing |
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| 03:13.36 | kameron | what virtual machine software is hot right now? vmware, virtual box? bochs? |
| 03:13.37 | S4nD3r | I just woul like to not show mounted devices in desktop |
| 03:13.43 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: i see 1 sec |
| 03:13.45 | nepbabu | Claudio32m, what does it say? |
| 03:14.05 | jimmybgood | my hard disk volumes are disappear when I uncheck |
| 03:14.09 | Azar | jack|Helium: |
| 03:14.13 | Azar | !sid backports |
| 03:14.20 | Azar | !sid backport |
| 03:14.21 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ok im in the directory |
| 03:14.40 | trentg | How do I unmount a memory stick with GNOME 2.14 besides using the command line? |
| 03:14.49 | Azar | !simple sid backport |
| 03:14.49 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:14.53 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: dpkg -i bcm43xx-firmware*.deb |
| 03:15.03 | Azar | jack|Helium: use the sid backport to get the package |
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| 03:15.55 | Nyle | dpkg stupid |
| 03:15.56 | dpkg | well, stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='sudo rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
| 03:15.56 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ok it did something |
| 03:16.00 | Nyle | oops |
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| 03:16.25 | jack|Helium | Azar: hmm... ok. If I need to do it again, I'll do that. I guess that way, I dont have to worry at all about the fact that it's an ubuntu package. For now, it works fine, and shows no sign of breaking, so I don't think I'll change anything.... |
| 03:16.33 | Azar | wtf jack|Helium the package is in Etch as well: aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 03:16.42 | Nyle | you are sucking |
| 03:16.47 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: type "modprobe bcm43xx) |
| 03:16.50 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:16.54 | Nyle | currently a big fat lollipop |
| 03:16.56 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: sorry |
| 03:16.57 | jack|Helium | not that |
| 03:16.58 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:16.59 | trentg | Or can it not be done? |
| 03:17.04 | Azar | hahaha |
| 03:17.06 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: np |
| 03:17.07 | jack|Helium | modprobe bcm43xx |
| 03:17.15 | jack|Helium | no parethases |
| 03:17.16 | Nyle | fwcutter |
| 03:17.48 | nepbabu | wtf is blue moon? |
| 03:17.48 | Nyle | i have to pee |
| 03:17.50 | nepbabu | heh |
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| 03:17.54 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: k done |
| 03:17.59 | Nyle | moon |
| 03:18.00 | Azar | Nyle: thanks for sharing |
| 03:18.02 | rebbybrarbs | nepbabu: a delicious beer |
| 03:18.02 | jack|Helium | Azar: actually, I think it's in lenny too... I just dont want to mess anything up since it works already |
| 03:18.05 | Nyle | sure |
| 03:18.06 | Nyle | welcome |
| 03:18.10 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: does wifi work? |
| 03:18.10 | nepbabu | doh |
| 03:18.14 | Nyle | i have green goodness |
| 03:18.19 | Nyle | i have no munchies though |
| 03:18.25 | nepbabu | heh |
| 03:18.29 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: umm how can i tell? |
| 03:18.34 | Azar | jack|Helium: is in lenny too: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 03:18.41 | nepbabu | ahh |
| 03:18.46 | Azar | all you need is use aptitude install |
| 03:18.55 | jack|Helium | Azar: look a few lines up, I just said that... |
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| 03:19.05 | S4nD3r | jimmybgood, it worked |
| 03:19.10 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 03:19.15 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: is there network icon the the system tray |
| 03:19.23 | S4nD3r | I discover about pendrive of 4GB |
| 03:19.38 | jimmybgood | S4nD3r: lots of stuff in gconf editor |
| 03:19.39 | Azar | S4nD3r: thank god nepbabu was here to help you... |
| 03:19.57 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: only wired network, it could be because im runing under acpi=off |
| 03:20.01 | S4nD3r | Its been recognized as ipod. |
| 03:20.09 | jack|Helium | Azar: I know it may work now, but since what I already have works too, I dont see any reason to change it unless it breaks |
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| 03:20.17 | nepbabu | S4nD3r, is it all good now? |
| 03:20.19 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: I doubt it, but maybe |
| 03:20.24 | nepbabu | Azar, 0_o |
| 03:20.26 | S4nD3r | almost! |
| 03:20.35 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: if you right click is there a wireless option? |
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| 03:20.49 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ill check |
| 03:20.54 | Azar | jack|Helium: I am respecting Debian and care for it so it treats me good for the past 3 years. I would never mix foreign linux packages on it |
| 03:21.29 | Azar | Debian has its own packages and rules, don't treat it as if would be a microsoft software |
| 03:21.45 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ill try to log on without acpi=off |
| 03:21.46 | jack|Helium | Azar: I figure since it's essentially universal to all distro's it can't really hurt, but that's always a good plicy |
| 03:21.56 | Azar | slap a package from here, another from there.... garbage in / garbage out |
| 03:22.02 | holymoly | oops |
| 03:22.04 | holymoly | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.04 | Azar | what? |
| 03:22.06 | Azar | wtf? |
| 03:22.07 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: try restarting X first |
| 03:22.14 | Azar | Debian is NOT universal to all distros |
| 03:22.16 | darkbahamut | Azar: sorry i just wanted to try jack|Heliums way first |
| 03:22.30 | jack|Helium | Azar: no, the firmware is |
| 03:22.31 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ok |
| 03:22.37 | Azar | darkbahamut: if you want to stay stable and safe, use only Debian packages |
| 03:22.40 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: brb |
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| 03:23.13 | Azar | jack|Helium: but Debian package for that driver exists, no need to mix in from some other sources |
| 03:23.16 | jimmybgood | holymoly: what difference does it make ext2 or ext3? |
| 03:23.35 | Claudio32m | nepbabu it just lists stuff |
| 03:23.41 | jack|Helium | Azar: they're not packages for the driver. It's built into the kernel |
| 03:23.42 | Claudio32m | but nothing about my port forward |
| 03:23.44 | Claudio32m | generic message |
| 03:23.52 | holymoly | one has a journal the other doesnt. one requires a journal to be read in the other doesn't. i'm hoping converting ext2 would just drop the journal and keep the data. thoughts? |
| 03:23.56 | Azar | Debian has the most packages around, drivers included no need to try installing from other sites |
| 03:24.09 | Azar | Debian has the firmware tool |
| 03:24.11 | Azar | for it |
| 03:24.13 | jack|Helium | Azar: the debian package is for a tool to extract the firmware, the one I use is for the firmware itself, which regardless of distro, is always the same |
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| 03:24.41 | Azar | as long as is not made for ubuntu |
| 03:25.00 | darkbahamut | im gonna restart without acpi=off to see if it will work brb ok |
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| 03:25.23 | jimmybgood | holymoly: i don't think it makes any diff, but you can just "mount -t ext2 /dev/sbXX /mnt/point |
| 03:25.31 | jack|Helium | Azar: actually, ubuntu has the most packages around when I tried it for about a week and a half, but nonetheless never seemed to have what I wanted |
| 03:25.40 | holymoly | jimmybgood: thats what mean tho, it can't be fsckd |
| 03:25.44 | holymoly | system refuses to mount it |
| 03:25.52 | jack|Helium | Azar: and all of the anti-root-ness bugged me |
| 03:26.09 | Azar | anti what? :) |
| 03:26.13 | holymoly | one partition requires a manual fsck the others don't seem to register beyond them simply being there |
| 03:26.31 | holymoly | can't be mounted until a proper fsck is done, i.e. either journal is fixed or something else done to get to the data |
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| 03:26.56 | nepbabu | holymoly, ext2 != ext3. ext3 adds journalling to ext2. you can go from ext2->ext3 but not ext3->ext2. |
| 03:27.01 | Azar | jack|Helium: what about anti...root? |
| 03:27.13 | holymoly | nepbabu: aha didn't know that |
| 03:27.27 | nepbabu | holycow, ok you knew it know. |
| 03:27.29 | nepbabu | goodluck |
| 03:27.53 | jimmybgood | holymoly: you can't convert to ext2, but you can mount -t ext2, but it probably is too broken for anything to work |
| 03:28.06 | holymoly | ahhh interesting |
| 03:28.09 | holymoly | i'll try that |
| 03:28.33 | jack|Helium | Azar: I was in the IRC there, suggested that someone use su instead of typing sudo infront of all of about 30 commands. I got flames by about 10 different people at the least |
| 03:28.35 | Azar | jack|Helium: you can check whether you have a package available with apt-cache search <packagename> or, visit the package site and see if it is on another version: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 03:28.54 | jack|Helium | Azar: I know |
| 03:28.56 | Azar | jack|Helium: damn rude people! |
| 03:29.07 | Azar | I allways su but never tell, you know |
| 03:29.16 | jack|Helium | Azar: yeah |
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| 03:29.39 | Azar | ..or I get the turkeys gobble at me |
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| 03:30.01 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: it dosent work |
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| 03:30.25 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: have you tried modprobe bcm43xx |
| 03:30.32 | Azar | jack|Helium: I could not make him, but you may: tell darkbahamut to show you his sources.list |
| 03:30.39 | Azar | for sure he has some crap in there |
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| 03:31.06 | darkbahamut | Azar: im sorry i didnt see you ask b4 =( |
| 03:31.15 | jack|Helium | Azar: what does your sources.list say? you can get rid of all of the cafuego entries |
| 03:31.29 | Azar | most of the problems with installing come from a malformed source in /etc/apt/sources.list - usually |
| 03:31.32 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: Azar is probably right |
| 03:31.33 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: will try now brb |
| 03:31.41 | Azar | jack|Helium: hold on I will paste |
| 03:33.02 | jack|Helium | Azar: interestingly, I tried a debian based distro called elive once that refused to let you use sudo, and instead said always to use su. |
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| 03:34.34 | sdubois92 | should i be alright just running make menu config, or is there anything in the config file i should edit? |
| 03:34.36 | Azar | http://paste.debian.net/42767 < mine is sarge, you can copy then replace all "sarge" with "etch" or "lenny" whatever you use now |
| 03:34.58 | darkbahamut | Azar: where do i find the sources.list again? |
| 03:35.08 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: /etc/apt/ |
| 03:35.12 | Azar | darkbahamut: copy that on your sources.list and replace "sarge" with what your version is |
| 03:35.17 | darkbahamut | k 1 sec |
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| 03:35.37 | Azar | after you save it, run : aptitude update then aptitude upgrade |
| 03:35.40 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: make menu config is how you edit the config file |
| 03:36.21 | Azar | darkbahamut: respect all spaces and / there |
| 03:36.27 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: to see if the drivers work, try modprobe bcm43xx (but do what he said too, it will update your entire system, assumin you have internet) |
| 03:36.35 | ampex | does anyone know how to check/set the cache settings of a SATA drive? |
| 03:37.07 | jack|Helium | ampex: it would be with hdparm probably. try "man hdparm" |
| 03:37.42 | jack|Helium | ampex: but that's all I know |
| 03:38.01 | darkbahamut | Azar: heres my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/42768 |
| 03:38.02 | sdubois92 | jimmybgood: do i need to do anything before hand? |
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| 03:39.06 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: whoa! |
| 03:39.12 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: sorry, i wasn't following what exactly you are trying to do |
| 03:39.19 | darkbahamut | jsck|Helium: ? |
| 03:39.37 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: get rid of all the cafuego entries |
| 03:39.52 | darkbahamut | jsck|Helium: i dunno how they got there o.O |
| 03:39.56 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: and I figured out what was wrong earlier |
| 03:40.19 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: do you need to change anything from the default settings? |
| 03:40.20 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: they all need "deb" in front of them |
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| 03:40.43 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: btw, you can type the first few letters of someone's name, and then hit tab to make it finish it for you |
| 03:40.55 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: I know mine's hard ;) |
| 03:41.19 | sdubois92 | jimmybgood: after i under in /usr/src do i need to do anything before make menuconfig? |
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| 03:41.29 | sdubois92 | after i un tar* |
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| 03:41.45 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: also, wherever you see "sarge" change it to "etch" |
| 03:42.00 | darkbahamut | jsck|Helium: ok and that tab trick dont work o.o |
| 03:42.01 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: apply any patches |
| 03:42.03 | jack|Helium | I think |
| 03:42.32 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: yeah, replace sarge with etch |
| 03:42.34 | sdubois92 | jimmybgood: patches? |
| 03:42.52 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: why are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 03:43.07 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: when you're done with sources.list, I'll help with bcm43xx |
| 03:43.08 | sdubois92 | jimmybgood: just for the experience |
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| 03:43.28 | darkbahamut | is there only 1 deb http://ubuntu.cafuego.net dapper-cafuego bcm43xx line? |
| 03:43.49 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: you have the package from there, so you can get rid of all of them |
| 03:43.58 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: then do make menuconfig, usually people don't bother unless they need to patch in support for something that doesn't come with Debian |
| 03:44.18 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: ok.. woa that tab trick works o.O cool |
| 03:44.32 | Azar | darkbahamut: sorry I was away to grab a beer: delete all and replace with my sources (replace "sarge" on each line with etch) |
| 03:44.35 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: by the wahy, I really like make gconfig |
| 03:44.49 | jimmybgood | it's a nicer interface |
| 03:45.08 | sdubois92 | jimmybgood: does that come standard or do you need to add it? |
| 03:45.20 | jimmybgood | but requires lots of gtk2 and glib development packages |
| 03:45.41 | jimmybgood | comes standard, but see above - type it in and see what happens |
| 03:45.51 | Azar | darkbahamut: http://paste.debian.net/42767 < you can also replace ftp.de.debian.org with your ftp.tw.debian.org |
| 03:45.59 | sdubois92 | i'm already in menuconfig |
| 03:46.20 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: poke around and see all the fun things you can enable |
| 03:46.20 | darkbahamut | Azar, jack|Helium: ok done |
| 03:46.25 | Azar | darkbahamut: show me |
| 03:46.40 | darkbahamut | Azar: oo wait a sec need to add line |
| 03:47.17 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: i have endless hours of fun seeing what breaks when I disable stuff i shouldn't :) |
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| 03:48.20 | darkbahamut | Azar: http://paste.debian.net/42770 |
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| 03:48.22 | Azar | jack|Helium: I never used sudo because I simply did not understand the concept. I allways used su |
| 03:48.49 | jack|Helium | Azar: sudo is nice if you have to run only one command as root, but the same here usually. |
| 03:48.57 | jack|Helium | sudo seems kindof insecure to me |
| 03:49.05 | Azar | darkbahamut: you can delete: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free security does not need a deb-src |
| 03:49.49 | darkbahamut | Azar: both of them? |
| 03:49.58 | Azar | only the deb-src line for security |
| 03:50.02 | Azar | darkbahamut: add |
| 03:50.05 | Azar | # |
| 03:50.05 | Azar | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 03:50.05 | Azar | # |
| 03:50.06 | bahadunn | I guess technically that was a comment and not an action but oh well |
| 03:50.06 | Azar | deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 03:50.19 | Azar | both those lines |
| 03:50.32 | Azar | with etch instead ofcourse |
| 03:50.42 | bahadunn | deb-src lines never hurt |
| 03:50.45 | jack|Helium | Azar: I guess maybe having to type sudo in front of every command might remind you that what you're doing is potentially dangerous |
| 03:50.56 | nepbabu | Azar, is there a way in debian to use specific version of gcc? for e.g., i want g++ 3.x instead of 4.x |
| 03:51.11 | nepbabu | Azar, although i've got 4.x :/ |
| 03:51.15 | bahadunn | nepbabu: update the symlinks |
| 03:51.16 | Azar | nepbabu: depends on your Debian/kernel version |
| 03:51.23 | nepbabu | bahadunn, can't |
| 03:51.29 | bahadunn | nepbabu: why not? |
| 03:51.34 | nepbabu | Azar, why would i? |
| 03:51.36 | jack|Helium | nepbabu: uninstall all the others ;) (dont really do it though....) |
| 03:51.37 | nepbabu | oops |
| 03:51.38 | Azar | darkbahamut: also this line: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main < is not needed, delete |
| 03:51.42 | nepbabu | bahadunn, why would i? |
| 03:51.42 | bahadunn | nepbabu: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 03:52.00 | Azar | nepbabu: what would you what? |
| 03:52.00 | bahadunn | nepbabu: adjust the symlinks to point to the real gcc-x.x you want |
| 03:52.03 | jimmybgood | nepbabu: CC=gcc-3.4 make whatever |
| 03:52.03 | nepbabu | bahadunn, i know. i was looking for configs script like gentoo's gcc-config |
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| 03:52.08 | jack|Helium | nepbabu: I think there might be a "gcc_select" command, but I'm not sure |
| 03:52.08 | nepbabu | Azar, typo |
| 03:52.13 | Azar | gentoobie |
| 03:52.15 | Azar | :) |
| 03:52.21 | bahadunn | nepbabu: I do it the old fashioned way I guess |
| 03:52.56 | jack|Helium | Heh, I stated off in gentoo. It wasn't pretty... |
| 03:52.57 | nepbabu | bahadunn, yeah but if there was a script, it's much cleaner and my preferred way. :) |
| 03:52.59 | bahadunn | nepbabu: see what jimmybgood said? |
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| 03:53.05 | nepbabu | jack|Helium, looking. |
| 03:53.13 | Azar | compile until you drop |
| 03:53.14 | nepbabu | jimmybgood, also looking. |
| 03:53.15 | nepbabu | :) |
| 03:53.18 | nepbabu | heh |
| 03:53.45 | jack|Helium | Azar: and I was on a < 1GHZ machine too... without internet at the time |
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| 03:53.54 | bahadunn | jack|Helium: what were you thinking? |
| 03:54.20 | jack|Helium | bahadunn: I dont know if I was... |
| 03:54.21 | darkbahamut | Azar: http://paste.debian.net/42771 how does that look? |
| 03:54.25 | Azar | nepbabu: in my newbiness, way back using woody, upgrading the gcc created me problems with certain programs that require that you compile with the original gcc version of your installed kernel |
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| 03:54.49 | jack|Helium | bahadunn: I saw "customizable" and though "cool, I think I'll try that" |
| 03:54.51 | lontra | darkbahamut: are you running a mixed oldstable/stable? |
| 03:55.02 | nepbabu | hah |
| 03:55.02 | Azar | darkbahamut: now you are clean! save it then do : aptitude update aptitude upgrade |
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| 03:55.27 | darkbahamut | lontra: ? |
| 03:55.30 | Azar | if will tell you that it removes packages, don't worry, is a clean up, you reinstall using aptitude again: aptitude install <package> |
| 03:55.46 | Azar | lontra: no he just had a messed sources.list |
| 03:55.59 | lontra | Azar: ok |
| 03:57.45 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: when it's done, I know how you can test to see if the wireless works |
| 03:57.55 | nepbabu | jimmybgood, where would u put CC=3.4? |
| 03:58.16 | darkbahamut | Azar, jack|Helium: ok its done |
| 03:58.28 | jimmybgood | nepbabu: to compile a third party program or to build a deb? |
| 03:58.41 | nepbabu | jimmybgood, i am compiling my own code. |
| 03:58.42 | nepbabu | :/ |
| 03:58.51 | nepbabu | so there is no makefile at this stage. |
| 03:59.28 | nepbabu | gcc_select seems to be for darwin. :/ |
| 03:59.29 | jimmybgood | nepbabu: just put it in front of make |
| 03:59.45 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: ok, do modprobe bcm43xx |
| 03:59.46 | Azar | darkbahamut: did it gave you any errors when you upgraded? |
| 03:59.53 | jimmybgood | or you can put it in the Makefile |
| 04:00.02 | darkbahamut | Azar: i dont think it did |
| 04:00.32 | Azar | darkbahamut: now you could go root, and do : aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter see if it works |
| 04:00.38 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: modprobe bcm43xx whats that do? |
| 04:00.48 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: activates the drivers |
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| 04:01.17 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: if this doesnt work, you'll need to do what Azar is saying to |
| 04:01.31 | Frederick85 | my alsa driver seems to be muted and I'm not sure why |
| 04:01.35 | darkbahamut | i dont see the wireless so i did bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:01.49 | Azar | Frederick85: use alsamixer to unmute channels |
| 04:01.52 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: try moprobe bcm43xx |
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| 04:01.58 | darkbahamut | Azar: let it fetch and extract the firmware? |
| 04:02.04 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: then type iwconfig |
| 04:02.05 | Azar | hell yes! |
| 04:02.07 | jack|Helium | to test |
| 04:02.13 | Frederick85 | Azar: how do I unmute channels in alsa,mixer |
| 04:02.19 | darkbahamut | jack|Helium: 1 sec |
| 04:02.35 | Azar | Frederick85: install alsamixer if you dont have it then type in terminal: alsamixer |
| 04:02.55 | jack|Helium | Azar: if he does that, it might cause conflicts (he needs to only have one of those two installed at a time) |
| 04:03.00 | Frederick85 | Azar: yes it's open but i'm not sure how to unmute mono channel, stereo is unmuted |
| 04:03.06 | darkbahamut | Azar: Errors were encountered while processing: bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:03.10 | Azar | jack|Helium: read this: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/153/213/ |
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| 04:03.26 | Frederick85 | Azar: turning it up in volume doesn't unmute it |
| 04:03.51 | Azar | darkbahamut: "Prerequisites include having the linux-headers specific to your kernel and you should have build-essential installed as well. In fact, you should install build-essential on all your Linux boxes as a rule." |
| 04:04.03 | sdubois92 | I am compiling a kernel. After i run make menuconfig, what do I do? |
| 04:04.07 | Azar | darkbahamut: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 04:04.22 | jimmybgood | sdubois92: make |
| 04:04.23 | Azar | eye one similar with your linux kernel version |
| 04:04.27 | nepbabu | jimmybgood, i have no 3.4 man. i want gcc to pretend that it's compiling for 3.4 :/ |
| 04:04.32 | jack|Helium | Azar: that's why I had him do it my way ;) it's not so confusing |
| 04:04.39 | darkbahamut | Azar: what did that do? |
| 04:04.40 | Azar | then aptitude install linux-headers..blabla.bla..line |
| 04:04.45 | Frederick85 | Azar: M unmutes i |
| 04:04.51 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: did you try iwconfig to test? |
| 04:05.00 | Azar | jack|Helium: you do it the gentoo way and is confusing |
| 04:05.15 | Frederick85 | Azar: it is all unmuted but not playing any sound |
| 04:05.17 | Claudio32m | ok I know how to have linux start a command at boot time from rc.local but how can I have a command started from a specific user? i dont want it to run as root |
| 04:05.18 | darkbahamut | iwconfig no wireless extensions |
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| 04:05.23 | jack|Helium | Azar: I'm pretty sure that wasn't the gentoo way. |
| 04:05.24 | jimmybgood | nepbabu: you need gcc-3.4 to do that |
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| 04:05.34 | jack|Helium | Azar: they would have you compile it yourself |
| 04:05.42 | Azar | Frederick85: you need to instruct your player (see options) to use alsa, problly is using oss by default |
| 04:05.45 | nepbabu | jimmybgood, i knew that. i mean seriously |
| 04:05.46 | nepbabu | idiot. |
| 04:05.48 | nepbabu | sorry |
| 04:05.50 | nepbabu | :p |
| 04:05.56 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: then go ahead and do what he says |
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| 04:06.02 | Frederick85 | Azar, no i didn't find it was |
| 04:06.06 | Azar | jack|Helium: sorry , I confused you with nepbabu |
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| 04:06.18 | Azar | Frederick85: what is your player? |
| 04:06.24 | nepbabu | 0_o |
| 04:06.41 | Azar | jack|Helium: did you read that link? |
| 04:06.53 | jack|Helium | Azar: perhaps he has a different bcm43xx then usual (most, afaik, are 4306, but also a few others) |
| 04:07.09 | Azar | ah ok |
| 04:07.13 | jack|Helium | Azar: to some extent. It's a guide to doing it with fwcutter |
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| 04:07.25 | holymoly | lol |
| 04:07.28 | holymoly | man i hate ext3 |
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| 04:07.34 | holymoly | i'm going back to reiser |
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| 04:08.05 | nepbabu | !flame |
| 04:08.05 | dpkg | i guess flame is something people do on newsgroups or irc or when they yell at each other |
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| 04:08.14 | nepbabu | 0_o |
| 04:08.21 | s[exe] | What's the command for reinstalling something via apt-get? |
| 04:08.32 | holymoly | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 04:08.40 | jack|Helium | s[exe]: I think apt-get install --reinstall |
| 04:08.41 | Azar | well |
| 04:08.43 | Azar | !moo |
| 04:08.43 | s[exe] | apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 04:08.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 04:08.47 | s[exe] | liek that? |
| 04:08.49 | s[exe] | *like |
| 04:08.54 | Frederick85 | Azar: looks like dmesg isn't showing the device properly, do you recommend a reboot? |
| 04:08.55 | Frederick85 | Azar: it was working previously |
| 04:09.17 | Azar | Frederick85: any idea why it does not work? did you upgrade? |
| 04:09.18 | jack|Helium | s[exe]: I think |
| 04:09.32 | s[exe] | thanks jack|Helium, holymoly |
| 04:09.37 | jack|Helium | Azar: coolest easer egg ever... |
| 04:09.48 | Azar | Frederick85: one other thing might be in /etc/modules : do you see your alsa modules there? |
| 04:10.18 | Azar | jack|Helium: I used to be an egg , how did you guessed? |
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| 04:11.07 | Frederick85 | Azar: that directory doesn't exist |
| 04:11.23 | jack|Helium | Azar: I've never heard it called anything but that. Then again, I guess it's pretty well known now |
| 04:11.26 | Azar | Frederick85: less /etc/modules ? |
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| 04:11.41 | Frederick85 | Azar: oh its text file sorry |
| 04:11.46 | darkbahamut | Azar: umm i gtg for dinner |
| 04:11.47 | Azar | yea |
| 04:11.48 | Frederick85 | Azar: no I don't see Alsa modules in it |
| 04:12.10 | Azar | ok Frederick85 could you paste in a paster the content? need see |
| 04:12.25 | jack|Helium | Frederick85: you'll probably need to add it |
| 04:12.40 | Azar | jack|Helium: I need to see if there is any sound module in it |
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| 04:13.20 | Azar | it should.. |
| 04:13.53 | Azar | but not allways |
| 04:13.53 | Frederick85 | http://rafb.net/p/26Gkqt66.html |
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| 04:13.53 | Frederick85 | it's very small |
| 04:14.00 | Azar | jack|Helium: I am used with ancient ways of assigning modules, nowadays has been automated |
| 04:14.25 | Frederick85 | Azar: somehow my sound suddenly works |
| 04:14.27 | Azar | Frederick85: ouch |
| 04:14.35 | Azar | hehe temporarily Frederick85 |
| 04:14.49 | Frederick85 | i noticed in with gaim |
| 04:14.54 | Azar | ok can you tell me if you know what is the sound model ? sound card? |
| 04:15.08 | Azar | intel? via? |
| 04:15.10 | Azar | lspci |
| 04:15.20 | Azar | look after multimedia controller |
| 04:15.52 | Azar | mine is: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 04:15.58 | Azar | thats what you look for |
| 04:16.21 | jack|Helium | Anyone in here who can help with IR? |
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| 04:16.40 | Azar | jack|Helium: I never heard of never had that.. sorry |
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| 04:16.52 | Frederick85 | Azar: no problems not fixed yet i'll paste some output |
| 04:16.57 | jack|Helium | I need to get lirc_sir running. I have the module built, and it works, but when I try to modprobe it, it says "device or resouce busy" |
| 04:17.11 | Frederick85 | http://rafb.net/p/J1uMdv45.html |
| 04:17.16 | Azar | Frederick85: ever ran "alsaconf" command? |
| 04:17.32 | darkbahamut | Azar, jack|Helium: how long wil you 2 be here? |
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| 04:17.42 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: no idea... |
| 04:18.12 | darkbahamut | Azar, jack|Helium: i gtg to eat, ill be back later |
| 04:18.17 | Azar | ok darkbahamut |
| 04:18.27 | Frederick85 | Azar: alsaconfig worked well ;) |
| 04:18.29 | Azar | Frederick85: needed the output of your "lspci" command |
| 04:18.39 | Frederick85 | Azar: still need it? |
| 04:18.49 | jack|Helium | darkbahamut: cya later then |
| 04:18.51 | Azar | yes, need to get your alsa modules in /etc/modules |
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| 04:19.09 | Azar | if "alsaconf" command did not do the job need done manually |
| 04:19.28 | jack|Helium | Azar: alsaconf does it for you if you run it (and let it do that) |
| 04:19.32 | DeZ_666 | alsaconf doesnt find my soundcard x] |
| 04:19.49 | Azar | jack|Helium: if you look at his /etc/modules, is scary: almost empty: no sound modules |
| 04:20.07 | jack|Helium | Azar: mine too - everything in there I put in myself |
| 04:20.07 | Azar | so when he boots up, there are no snd modules loaded |
| 04:20.07 | darkbahamut | alright.. cya later everyone.. bye |
| 04:20.15 | Azar | bye darkbahamut |
| 04:20.26 | jack|Helium | Azar: most stuff ends up in /etc/modules.d/* |
| 04:20.33 | jack|Helium | Azar: have him look there |
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| 04:20.55 | Azar | I need to see which chipset he uses so get the pertaining modules for him to be loaded in /etc/modules |
| 04:21.00 | Frederick85 | Azar: http://rafb.net/p/psD23M91.html |
| 04:21.35 | jack|Helium | Azar: sorry, I meant modprobe.d |
| 04:22.03 | jack|Helium | Azar: e.g. mine are in /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 04:22.51 | Frederick85 | Azar: intel i810 AC'97 |
| 04:22.54 | jack|Helium | or is that just the options for modules |
| 04:23.19 | mandrigal | 3linux |
| 04:23.21 | mandrigal | oops |
| 04:23.55 | ampex | does anyone have any real world experience with ext3 vs xfs in a "my server just went down due to a power outage" scenario? I'e heard that xfs doesn't handle this situation very nicely. |
| 04:23.58 | marek` | hey |
| 04:24.10 | marek` | i am having trouble booting after compiling and installing a new kernel |
| 04:24.22 | marek` | its not kernel panic |
| 04:24.26 | marek` | but it says |
| 04:24.38 | marek` | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20 |
| 04:24.41 | marek` | Done. |
| 04:24.43 | Azar | Frederick85: are you on Etch, or Lenny? |
| 04:24.51 | jack|Helium | marek`: is there any chance you can just use a stock kernel? |
| 04:24.52 | marek` | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.06 | Azar | Frederick85: |
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| 04:25.10 | marek` | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.11 | marek` | no :/ |
| 04:25.15 | jack|Helium | Azar: what kernel is he running, I had trouble with sound in one of them |
| 04:25.24 | marek` | ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 04:25.30 | Azar | wait to see what he say |
| 04:25.33 | Azar | Frederick85: |
| 04:25.46 | DeZ_666 | >:| Why when I configure networking the static IP doesn't stay.. |
| 04:25.52 | jack|Helium | marek`: but another kernel works? |
| 04:26.01 | marek` | the original works |
| 04:26.09 | jack|Helium | DeZ_666: because you're using network manager probably |
| 04:26.22 | marek` | so it dropped me to a shell <initramfs> or something like that |
| 04:26.24 | Azar | Frederick85: http://hardware4linux.info/component/14249/ wtf? |
| 04:26.24 | jimmybgood | marek`: my first guess is you don't have the sata driver in your initrd |
| 04:26.32 | wols | DeZ_666: how do you configure it? |
| 04:26.37 | jack|Helium | marek`: I think you have to compile the kernel with the drivers for your root fs built in (not a module) but I'm not sure |
| 04:26.45 | marek` | ah |
| 04:26.59 | DeZ_666 | wols: using Desktop -> Administration -> Networking |
| 04:27.08 | DeZ_666 | and i have restarted since i applied the configuration |
| 04:27.10 | wols | !tell DeZ_666 about interfaces |
| 04:27.12 | wols | use that |
| 04:27.22 | jack|Helium | DeZ_666: I had that problem, and when I disabled networkmanager, it worked |
| 04:27.35 | marek` | so instead of doing: make config |
| 04:27.42 | DeZ_666 | It worked once before, im not sure how |
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| 04:27.44 | marek` | i should just skip that and copy the config file from /boot |
| 04:27.47 | marek` | ? |
| 04:27.48 | DeZ_666 | i just reinstalled debian :X |
| 04:28.03 | wols | marek`: then you can just do aptitudei nstall linux-image-2.6 |
| 04:28.08 | wols | cause that's what you get then |
| 04:28.10 | jack|Helium | marek`: why do you need a custom kernel? |
| 04:28.14 | wols | also use make menuconfig |
| 04:28.15 | jimmybgood | marek`: yes, either build in the driver or put the driver in an initrd |
| 04:28.33 | wols | jimmybgood: he has to build the driver for both of these scenarios |
| 04:28.51 | wols | DeZ_666: edit your interfaces file, /etc/init.d/networking restart. done |
| 04:29.15 | marek` | so what should i do then? |
| 04:29.19 | Frederick85 | Azar: Intel_ICH? |
| 04:29.31 | jack|Helium | DeZ_666: if you're not planning on moving the computer, and you're using a wired conection, I'd recomment getting rid of network manager |
| 04:29.32 | marek` | what if there are other drivers and such that i need as well? |
| 04:29.55 | jack|Helium | marek`: go find a kernel compilation guide on the internet... |
| 04:29.56 | DeZ_666 | How do I do that jack|Helium? |
| 04:30.03 | marek` | i was just reading the one in docs |
| 04:30.13 | DeZ_666 | Because Im not moving and its on a wired connection |
| 04:30.17 | marek` | /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 04:30.23 | wols | DeZ_666: remove the package |
| 04:30.24 | jack|Helium | marek`: or use a pre-compiled one... there are recent ones for debian somewhere on kernel.org |
| 04:30.43 | wols | marek`: you configure your kernel properly |
| 04:30.44 | marek` | i need 2.6.22.5 |
| 04:30.50 | jimmybgood | marek`: drivers can be built into the kernel or can be built as modules that can be added |
| 04:30.53 | wols | what harddisk controller do you have? |
| 04:31.20 | marek` | i'm not sure |
| 04:31.25 | marek` | let me check in bios |
| 04:31.27 | haggz | marek': use make menuconfig, load in your old config that works (its in /boot), then enable whatever extra drivers you need |
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| 04:31.40 | jack|Helium | DeZ_666: as root: use update-rc.d to disable network-manager and network-manager-dispatcher |
| 04:31.41 | wols | then be sure. of all your hardware. it's the first step of kernel compiles: know what you actually need |
| 04:31.50 | wols | marek`: it usually doesn't tell in BIOS |
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| 04:31.57 | wols | and rebooting isn't needed either |
| 04:31.58 | jimmybgood | marek`: if the drive controller driver is built in, the kernel can find the modules in the filesystem |
| 04:32.13 | jack|Helium | jimmybgood: I think that was his problem... |
| 04:32.26 | marek` | well when i initially install debian it worked with no problems |
| 04:32.28 | zeug | i need to boot off a 300GB drive in a machine that has a 137GB bios limitation. is there a floppy i can download that can override this? |
| 04:32.35 | DeZ_666 | I used synaptic to remove network-manager and network-manager-gnome, that works doesn't it? :) |
| 04:32.43 | Kevin` | zeug put /boot in the first 137gb |
| 04:32.44 | jimmybgood | jack|Helium: yes, it either needs to be built in or available in an initrd |
| 04:32.50 | Kevin` | zeug and ignore the limitation after that |
| 04:33.00 | jack|Helium | marek`: because the stock kernels all have built in filesystem drivers |
| 04:33.17 | marek` | haggz, where is old config supposed to be located? |
| 04:33.20 | jack|Helium | DeZ_666: yes, that should work too... |
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| 04:33.29 | Azar | Frederick85: run a "lsmod" see if you see snd_i810 there |
| 04:33.30 | Kevin` | zeug the floppy would need it's own pci, controller, ata drivers, which is very uncommon for a boot loader |
| 04:33.30 | wols | marek`: /boot/config* |
| 04:33.55 | marek` | alright |
| 04:33.57 | wols | Azar: it won't be. there might be an snd_intel_i8x0 or such tho |
| 04:33.59 | zeug | Kevin`, maybe a cd that could do this? i took the drive out of another machine and i just need to do this for a few weeks. |
| 04:34.05 | zeug | and i don't want to reformat |
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| 04:34.09 | Frederick85 | lsmod |
| 04:34.21 | Azar | Frederick85: yea lsmod on your terminal |
| 04:34.29 | Azar | wols: ah yes thanks |
| 04:34.30 | Kevin` | zeug simplest would be to put the kernel image on the floppy, then you don't need bios support for the hard drive at all |
| 04:34.44 | DeZ_666 | wols: where can i find out what all the directives mean in /etc/networking/interfaces? i see stuff i do not understand.. |
| 04:34.46 | Kevin` | (could also use a cd, but floppys are randomly rewritable) |
| 04:34.47 | Frederick85 | Azar: snd_page_alloc |
| 04:34.52 | wols | zeug:no. the 137GB limit is a hrdware limitation of the disk controller |
| 04:34.58 | jack|Helium | marek`: I've never had much success compiling kernels either. The closest I've gotten successfully is patching the bcm43xx module for packet injection ;) |
| 04:35.10 | Kevin` | wols reference? |
| 04:35.13 | wols | you can be fine if the whole linux partition is inside the first 137GB of the disk but otherwise: no joy |
| 04:35.14 | Azar | Frederick85: that all? |
| 04:35.21 | marek` | jack|Helium, heh |
| 04:35.42 | Azar | Frederick85: it looks like your "alsaconf" command didn't do shit |
| 04:35.46 | zeug | maybe i should just netboot it for a few weeks |
| 04:35.50 | Kevin` | I have used disks that are far larger then the era they were designed for by just keeping the bios out of it |
| 04:35.56 | zeug | it would probably be the easiest solution |
| 04:36.04 | Azar | wols: is modconf still in use in Etch? |
| 04:36.15 | jack|Helium | Azar: did he let it change the modprobe.d/modprobe.conf (and run it as root...) |
| 04:36.26 | Azar | wols: Frederick85 got alsa installed but has no alsa modules |
| 04:36.42 | Azar | jack|Helium: I dunno.. |
| 04:36.57 | wols | Azar: afaik yes |
| 04:37.21 | jack|Helium | Azar: I though that etch/lenny/everything else already had all of the alsa/modules assuming it's a normal install and not minimal |
| 04:37.31 | Azar | jack|Helium: so I thought too |
| 04:37.47 | wols | jack|Helium: no matter the instally type. it has the modules. kernel modules are not optional. they're part of the kernel |
| 04:37.56 | Azar | but once in a while there is a buddy coming here with a brand new Etch installed missing alsa or having alsa not working |
| 04:38.13 | wols | the only time this isn't so is on the lenny installer. it's buggy which is normal it not being there to install stuff |
| 04:38.29 | jack|Helium | wols: does minimal net install come with same kernel as standard though? |
| 04:38.38 | Azar | it should |
| 04:38.46 | jack|Helium | if so, maybe I should go disable alsa on my server ;) |
| 04:38.47 | Azar | kernel is set in stone for any type of install |
| 04:38.55 | wols | jack|Helium: yes. all debian kernels are made from the same source and same config |
| 04:39.00 | jack|Helium | its 400 MHZ, so I needed to be as small as possible |
| 04:39.00 | zeug | Kevin`, might flashing the bios fix it? |
| 04:39.05 | wols | only change are things like cpu type or added xen or such |
| 04:39.10 | Azar | or uninstall alsa, then install it back and run alsaconf |
| 04:39.11 | jack|Helium | runs great though! |
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| 04:39.22 | zeug | Kevin`, i mean, i have 320GB drives in use in a 350mhz machine, so it has to be a bios issue |
| 04:39.30 | Kevin` | zeug I don't know, i'm still waiting for a reference from wols that this is a controller issue not a bios issue |
| 04:39.42 | wols | zeug: what chipset? |
| 04:39.46 | Kevin` | (which doesn't match with my knowledge) |
| 04:39.59 | zeug | wols, its a msi board from 2001 |
| 04:40.00 | wols | Kevin`: you won't get one. either believe it or google your own |
| 04:40.08 | wols | zeug: answer my question |
| 04:40.12 | Azar | Frederick85: what you need is to find exact alsa modules you need to be loaded at bootup therefore manually add them on /etc/modules |
| 04:40.20 | zeug | wols, whats a fast way to find the chipset? |
| 04:40.20 | jack|Helium | zueg that's probably new enough |
| 04:40.24 | Kevin` | wols then answer this: has a bios update ever been used to fix this problem? |
| 04:40.31 | Frederick85 | Azar: how do I find out my own Ip address on local network |
| 04:40.44 | Kevin` | zeug lspci, look for ide |
| 04:40.45 | wols | Kevin`: yes |
| 04:40.45 | Azar | Frederick85: ifconfig |
| 04:40.57 | zeug | bah, too much work |
| 04:40.59 | Kevin` | wols then it couldn't be a controller problem.. |
| 04:41.06 | wols | Kevin`: wrong |
| 04:41.13 | Kevin` | linux doesn't use the bios on either the controller or computer for access |
| 04:41.13 | zeug | i'll just put the drive into one of my servers, go to rom-o-matic, and network boot it for a couple weeks |
| 04:41.19 | jack|Helium | zueg: try lshw |
| 04:41.19 | Azar | well bed time, tomorrow again back to work: good night honorables |
| 04:41.27 | wols | just cause a controller is 48bit capable doesn't mean the BIOS need to be |
| 04:41.30 | wols | zeug: lspci |
| 04:41.43 | zeug | lemme boot it off a knoppix disk |
| 04:41.44 | zeug | brb |
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| 04:42.38 | Kevin` | wols further discussion would require knowledge of the ata command set, so i'll just leave it in limbo for myself and learn more someday :) |
| 04:42.56 | jack|Helium | goodbye all! |
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| 04:43.02 | wols | Kevin`: the crux is, older ata controllers used a 32bit word for sector |
| 04:43.16 | wols | (possibly 36, not toally sure) |
| 04:43.30 | wols | that means it hits a limit at 137GB with 512byte sectors |
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| 04:43.49 | wols | which means newer chips used 48bit addressing there which lifted the limit |
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| 04:44.35 | wols | but BIOSes were designed of old and still sued 32bit instead of the 48 which means to fix the 137GB isuse many boardmakers had to issue a update even if the hardware could do it on their own |
| 04:44.57 | wols | linux therefore could do it after booting, the BIOS however couldn't boot those disks without an upgrade |
| 04:45.45 | nepbabu | woah |
| 04:45.49 | nepbabu | !spam |
| 04:45.49 | dpkg | well, spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), razor, crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) or <dspam>, or http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt |
| 04:45.49 | nepbabu | :D |
| 04:46.00 | nepbabu | wols, hi |
| 04:46.15 | wols | yes, it is sunday |
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| 04:46.23 | nepbabu | :p |
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| 04:48.20 | Nyle | rahul: ping |
| 04:48.24 | Nyle | poing |
| 04:48.52 | sarixe | hi, i just upgraded to gnome 2.20 in lenny, and my ipod stopped showing up when i plug it in |
| 04:48.55 | rahul | gloing |
| 04:49.02 | rahul | hmm, food |
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| 04:49.51 | rahul | damn, I should have ordered a burrito bowl from burritoville earlier |
| 04:49.56 | zeug | wols, it has a VIA VT82C586A chipset |
| 04:49.58 | rahul | or even better, from chipotle |
| 04:50.14 | Nyle | chipotal |
| 04:50.20 | Nyle | thats a funny way to say it |
| 04:50.34 | Nyle | not like chipotlay but like chipo tul |
| 04:50.35 | Nyle | lol |
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| 04:50.38 | Nyle | im high dude |
| 04:50.41 | rahul | heh |
| 04:50.45 | sarixe | noticably |
| 04:50.45 | rahul | join the club :P |
| 04:50.46 | wols | zeug: that could could very well be not capable to run that disk |
| 04:51.05 | Nyle | rahul: club? |
| 04:51.11 | rahul | you will be struck by the sight of... TEN THOUSAND FISTS IN THE AIR! |
| 04:51.12 | Nyle | rahul: ya'll meet every thursday? |
| 04:51.17 | rahul | at 4:20 |
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| 04:51.23 | Nyle | rahul: try to raise money for a feild trip to amsterdam |
| 04:51.25 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:51.27 | darkbahamut | hey everyone |
| 04:51.27 | rahul | heh |
| 04:51.39 | Nyle | hey dark something bahama guy |
| 04:51.41 | Nyle | whats up |
| 04:51.45 | zeug | wols, thanks anyways. i guess ill just netboot it. |
| 04:51.56 | rahul | bahama nights |
| 04:52.41 | wols | darkbahamut: any luck with acpi? |
| 04:53.04 | darkbahamut | wols: heya wols.. umm no luck yet |
| 04:53.05 | Nyle | I'm going to record some more videos with drums now |
| 04:53.19 | wols | darkbahamut: tried a newer kernel and acpi daemon yet? |
| 04:53.26 | darkbahamut | wols: im trying to get my wireless working right now |
| 04:53.31 | DeZ_666 | X.x bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 04:53.36 | darkbahamut | wols: umm nope o.o |
| 04:53.57 | wols | ah yes broadcom :( |
| 04:54.07 | wols | you using ndiswrapper or bcm43xx |
| 04:54.31 | darkbahamut | wols: i tried bcm43xx but no luck |
| 04:54.47 | wols | !tell darkbahamut about errors |
| 04:55.42 | darkbahamut | umm im on irssi right now |
| 04:55.57 | darkbahamut | that command is for a popup window isnt it? |
| 04:55.58 | wols | what has your irc client to do with it? |
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| 04:56.20 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.24 | wols | or alt+number |
| 04:56.28 | darkbahamut | a message from the bot right? |
| 04:56.30 | darkbahamut | o |
| 04:56.35 | wols | if you have a red number on your status line now |
| 04:56.58 | darkbahamut | i dont see any red |
| 04:57.26 | darkbahamut | but i see the bot trying to talk to me |
| 04:58.22 | darkbahamut | wols: i forgot what error it was, i just came back because i went to eat |
| 04:59.45 | Claudio32m | whats the worst thing that can happen if i do a dd of a parition thats not unmounted or not read-only? |
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| 05:01.13 | wols | Claudio32m: nothing. partition tables are never written in normal operation |
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| 05:01.55 | Claudio32m | so its safe? |
| 05:01.57 | darkbahamut | wols: umm do you think you can help me setup my wireless? |
| 05:02.00 | wols | however if you use dd to a partition that is mounted you could copy incinsistent data which will then need a fsck on the target and then won't be a 1:1 copy but has some data lost |
| 05:02.01 | Claudio32m | im gonna do a dd of my partition |
| 05:02.16 | wols | !tell darkbahamut about ask |
| 05:02.25 | wols | Claudio32m: remount it read only first |
| 05:02.34 | Claudio32m | i dont have a screen on the box right now |
| 05:02.45 | wols | what has that to do with it? |
| 05:02.50 | Claudio32m | i dont know how to do it |
| 05:02.53 | Claudio32m | without the screen |
| 05:02.56 | wols | man mount |
| 05:03.01 | wols | do what? |
| 05:03.09 | Claudio32m | you cant umounted something you're using |
| 05:03.14 | Claudio32m | *umountr |
| 05:03.17 | wols | if you can't access the PC you can't dd either. if you can use dd then you can urn mount |
| 05:03.18 | Claudio32m | ahk *umount |
| 05:03.25 | Claudio32m | im doing it via ssh |
| 05:03.31 | wols | no one said anything about umount |
| 05:03.43 | darkbahamut | ok the bots rules are a bit confusing but ill try |
| 05:03.50 | Claudio32m | the doc i found on google described it that way |
| 05:03.51 | Claudio32m | thats why |
| 05:04.01 | Claudio32m | boot from a live cd |
| 05:04.08 | wols | I told you: remounte it read only |
| 05:04.21 | Claudio32m | how will i write the file locally if its read only? |
| 05:04.27 | darkbahamut | can anyone help me setup my wlan? i have a Broadcom wireless lan built in card |
| 05:04.35 | darkbahamut | thats all i know about it |
| 05:04.39 | darkbahamut | ^^ |
| 05:05.09 | wols | you cannot use dd to output a partition to that same partition... |
| 05:05.13 | sarixe | uh, just upgraded to gnome 2.20, and ipod is not being recognized at all |
| 05:05.15 | Claudio32m | oh ok |
| 05:05.15 | darkbahamut | bot says not to ask only one person |
| 05:05.35 | wols | darkbahamut: not not ask to ask just ask |
| 05:05.36 | Claudio32m | hmm i might just use partimage |
| 05:05.40 | Claudio32m | i've had good success with it in the past |
| 05:05.50 | wols | !wayttd Claudio32m |
| 05:05.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Claudio32m? |
| 05:06.01 | Claudio32m | do a complete backup of my parition |
| 05:06.06 | Claudio32m | with dd preferably |
| 05:06.11 | wols | what is the error you had with the bcm fwcutter? |
| 05:06.24 | wols | Claudio32m: and where do you want to save it? |
| 05:06.35 | Claudio32m | on the same partition cause i dont have access to another linux machine |
| 05:06.38 | Claudio32m | actually on my web host maybe |
| 05:06.42 | Claudio32m | would they acccept a large file |
| 05:06.46 | Claudio32m | ? |
| 05:06.47 | wols | that's impossibly |
| 05:06.53 | wols | say the partition is 10GB in size |
| 05:07.01 | Claudio32m | something like dd if=/dev/hda1 bs=1k conv=sync,noerror | gzip -c | ssh -c blowfish user@hostname "dd of=filename.gz bs=1k" |
| 05:07.12 | wols | now dd will create a 10GB image. where do you save if on a 10GB partition? |
| 05:07.32 | Claudio32m | my web host has 250gb i think |
| 05:07.33 | wols | why ssh when it'S on the same machine? |
| 05:07.46 | Zippy2 | noobs shouldnt play with hard drives. thats asking for trouble |
| 05:08.04 | Zippy2 | oh man this cleartype thing is awesome. huge difference |
| 05:08.17 | wols | darkbahamut: well? |
| 05:08.17 | Zippy2 | of course, a 21" crt is better |
| 05:08.29 | kingsley | If cell A1 of a spreadsheet is cleared, and therefor completely blank, why would putting "=A1" in cell A2 return "0" for cell A2, instead of returning nothing? |
| 05:08.45 | nepbabu | !noobs |
| 05:08.55 | nepbabu | doh |
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| 05:09.27 | wols | darkbahamut: what did the fwcutter say? |
| 05:09.30 | darkbahamut | wols: umm im afk for a sec my dads talking to me |
| 05:09.36 | wols | k |
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| 05:10.00 | nepbabu | Zippy2, which one is it man? |
| 05:10.26 | wols | nepbabu: /msg dpkg noob |
| 05:10.45 | wols | and yes, we can tell with you too, so no need to show us. again |
| 05:10.47 | nepbabu | wols, did you turn dpkg off? |
| 05:10.48 | nepbabu | :p |
| 05:10.51 | Zippy2 | nepbabu: is what |
| 05:10.56 | nepbabu | Zippy2, nevermind. |
| 05:10.59 | Zippy2 | crt>cleartype |
| 05:11.05 | marek` | hey |
| 05:11.09 | darkbahamut | wols: ok back |
| 05:11.15 | hardbop200 | okay, so I just reinstalled debian on my machine, and it won't boot unless I modify grub to boot from /dev/sda1 (/dev/hda1 errors out - hda1 doesn't exist). this prob seems common on the web...what should I do? stick with sda or something else? |
| 05:11.23 | marek` | i built with the config file from /boot |
| 05:11.24 | Zippy2 | if it's not beamed in to my brain, its not good enouh |
| 05:11.27 | marek` | but its still not working |
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| 05:11.43 | marek` | what i did was make menuconfig |
| 05:11.48 | marek` | and i loaded the config file |
| 05:11.52 | wols | hardbop200: if you installed debian it should be set properly already |
| 05:11.53 | marek` | then i did make-kpkg |
| 05:12.16 | wols | marek`: you copy the config file to .config, then you make menuconfig |
| 05:12.17 | nepbabu | hardbop200, if hda1 doesn't exist, it doesn't exist? |
| 05:12.30 | wols | also, I asked you something a long time ago and still waiting for an answer |
| 05:12.44 | marek` | then make config? |
| 05:12.56 | wols | hardbop200: due to libata, most hda disks are now sda |
| 05:13.02 | wols | marek`: never make config |
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| 05:13.06 | hardbop200 | wols: nope. |
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| 05:13.27 | darkbahamut | so.. umm does anyone know how to get Broadcom wlan working on debian etch? |
| 05:13.28 | nepbabu | hardbop200, how so? |
| 05:13.30 | wols | hardbop200: pastebin your menu.lst and your fstab please |
| 05:13.40 | hardbop200 | nepbabu: it exists, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I has something to do with the kernel's change from hda to sda for hard drives, that's all I know. |
| 05:13.50 | rahul | Nyle: who's playing drums? |
| 05:13.51 | wols | !tell darkbahamut about bcm43xx |
| 05:14.00 | nepbabu | rahul, yo |
| 05:14.05 | wols | rahul: it's a typo. he's playing drunk |
| 05:14.10 | hardbop200 | wols: forgive me, I don't know how to pastebin |
| 05:14.11 | rahul | heh |
| 05:14.16 | rahul | he doesn't get drunk much |
| 05:14.17 | wols | !tell hardbop200 about paste |
| 05:14.24 | haggz | marek`: does make-kpkg take care of installing the modules and updating the initrd also, and giving you a new boot option in grub? |
| 05:14.26 | wols | rahul: hence, playing |
| 05:14.31 | marek` | wols, so first i copy the config file, then i do make menuconfig and then make-kpkg? |
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| 05:14.48 | rahul | whence? |
| 05:14.49 | wols | marek`: usually yes, but answer my old question already |
| 05:15.04 | wols | rahul: now |
| 05:15.11 | rahul | hmm? |
| 05:15.12 | marek` | haggz, i think that make-kpkg creates a .deb file that you install with dpkg which does all of that |
| 05:15.21 | rahul | now is not a source |
| 05:15.24 | wols | marek`: you are right |
| 05:15.26 | marek` | wols, what was your old question? sorry for not responding :/ |
| 05:15.29 | rahul | unless we're talking zen here |
| 05:15.33 | wols | marek`: what disk controller |
| 05:15.43 | marek` | i am still not sure which one |
| 05:15.45 | wols | rahul: this is #debian. on a sunday. what else? |
| 05:15.53 | rahul | oy, it's sunday |
| 05:15.54 | nepbabu | what the heck is tss |
| 05:15.57 | nepbabu | :/ |
| 05:15.57 | wols | marek`: then you have no business compiling kernels |
| 05:16.05 | marek` | how can i figure that out? |
| 05:16.13 | wols | !what is my hardware |
| 05:16.14 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols |
| 05:16.30 | rahul | even the bot can't read your mind! |
| 05:16.43 | marek` | i mean is there some procedure to figure it out? |
| 05:16.46 | wols | it's defective! |
| 05:16.54 | rahul | marek`: look at it |
| 05:16.57 | wols | marek`: lshw, lspci, etc |
| 05:17.00 | rahul | read the invoice |
| 05:17.04 | marek` | i tried lspci |
| 05:17.06 | haggz | marek`: from your working kernel, the commands lsmod tells you what kernel modules are loaded in, and you can use lshw and lspci to get an overview of everything |
| 05:17.22 | wols | marek`: and what did lspci say? |
| 05:17.35 | marek` | oh shoot |
| 05:17.42 | marek` | the line was cut off right in the middle |
| 05:17.51 | marek` | its sata |
| 05:18.00 | wols | that'S NOT what I asked |
| 05:18.00 | marek` | sata storage controller ide rev 01 |
| 05:18.08 | wols | come back if you can answer questions that are asked |
| 05:18.47 | wols | darkbahamut: how far did you get? |
| 05:19.29 | Zippy2 | whats lshw |
| 05:19.29 | rahul | a command |
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| 05:19.33 | marek` | when i do lspci the only controllers that i get are: VGA compatible controller, Display controller, Ethernet controller, and network Controller |
| 05:19.33 | rahul | duh :P |
| 05:19.35 | Zippy2 | hmm since when |
| 05:19.44 | rahul | since it was written |
| 05:19.46 | rahul | heh |
| 05:19.58 | wols | marek`: pastebins are wonderful |
| 05:19.59 | Zippy2 | hmm |
| 05:20.01 | nepbabu | lshw -> list hardware |
| 05:20.07 | marek` | i cant pastebin |
| 05:20.15 | nepbabu | dpkg -S /usr/bin/lshw |
| 05:20.15 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/bin/lshw is installed! |
| 05:20.16 | Zippy2 | fdisk configuration: administrator_password=enabled boot=normal chassis=notebook f |
| 05:20.16 | Zippy2 | rontpanel_password=unknown keyboard_password=disabled power-on_password=enabled |
| 05:20.18 | nepbabu | hah |
| 05:20.19 | Zippy2 | neat |
| 05:20.41 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 05:20.46 | Zippy2 | my debian didnt come with lshw |
| 05:21.05 | marek` | mine either |
| 05:21.26 | Zippy2 | wow lshw is pretty cool |
| 05:21.33 | Zippy2 | does it come with the live disc? |
| 05:21.45 | marek` | its a scsi disk |
| 05:21.47 | hardbop200 | wols: I tried to pastebin but it isn't showing up, sorry to waste your time |
| 05:21.53 | marek` | Hitachi HTS72108 |
| 05:22.06 | wols | !installit |
| 05:22.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 05:22.07 | marek` | is that it!? |
| 05:22.36 | rahul | marek`: you don't know what scsi controller you have? |
| 05:22.55 | rahul | look at the box, ffs |
| 05:22.57 | wols | rahul: no, no you got it all wrong, it'S a SATA! |
| 05:22.58 | marek` | its a laptop |
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| 05:23.13 | rahul | then wtf is he saying it's scsi? |
| 05:23.34 | marek` | when i do lshw |
| 05:23.38 | wols | it's a special sata, the ones which can connect scsi disks |
| 05:23.43 | marek` | under *-ide |
| 05:23.58 | rahul | wols: those are special? |
| 05:24.03 | rahul | all of them can do that |
| 05:24.07 | marek` | under that it says product: 82801GBm/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE |
| 05:24.19 | wols | you have a sata controller that you can connect scsi disks to? |
| 05:24.20 | marek` | and under that *-disk |
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| 05:24.25 | wols | wow, you have 1337 hardware |
| 05:24.45 | marek` | under that description: SCSI Disk |
| 05:25.12 | rahul | erm |
| 05:25.27 | sarixe | damn, that's a huge hd |
| 05:25.29 | darkbahamut | wols: you wanted me to try fwcutter right? |
| 05:25.44 | wols | I wanted you to folow the factoid mainly |
| 05:26.15 | marek` | so what does this mean? |
| 05:26.37 | wols | it means you have a very common ICH7 sata controller |
| 05:26.41 | haggz | marek`: what is the version of the old kernel that you are trying to use the config from? |
| 05:26.49 | marek` | 2.6.18.5 |
| 05:26.59 | darkbahamut | wols: ill read more about it |
| 05:27.14 | marek` | and i'm trying to install 2.6.22.5 |
| 05:27.16 | haggz | what kernel version did they move the sata support? i know that causes a problem moving a config but i dont remember what the cutoff was |
| 05:27.43 | haggz | if 2.6.18 is on the wrong side of that gap, bringing in the old config will result in sata support not compiling in unless you reselect it |
| 05:28.10 | marek` | so i should load up the old config |
| 05:28.21 | marek` | then manually select what from where in the menuconfig? |
| 05:28.45 | wols | .18 should already have libata, but I'm not sure |
| 05:28.50 | haggz | marek`: lemme check the menu sequence for you, one minute |
| 05:28.55 | marek` | thanks |
| 05:32.37 | haggz | marek`: youll need device drivers -> scsi device support and device drivers -> serial ATA and parallel ATA active, and youll have to find your controller in the sata driver list |
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| 05:36.20 | haggz | marek`: if you have an ICH7 controller it looks like that's located very close to the top of the list, as "Intel ESB, ICH, PIIX3...support" |
| 05:37.48 | marek` | alright |
| 05:38.15 | haggz | marek`: please try to double-check and verify this, im just guessing on the basis of what im seeing poking through a .24-mm1 config |
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| 05:38.30 | marek` | okay i will let u know |
| 05:38.59 | marek` | i noticed when i load the config file it gives a lot of warnings |
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| 05:39.11 | marek` | i cant really see them because the window covers them |
| 05:40.02 | haggz | marek`: those should just be about options that have changed from the old to the newer kernel, and hopefully your problem was caused by losing a previously selected option that way |
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| 05:40.49 | marek` | a lot seemed to come up behind the window |
| 05:40.51 | marek` | but i cant read them |
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| 05:42.28 | marek` | i cant seem to find sata and parallel ata under scsi device support |
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| 05:43.11 | haggz | they are not under it, they are right below it in device drivers menu |
| 05:43.22 | haggz | but you need to have basic scsi support active also i believe |
| 05:43.29 | marek` | so do i want it as module or * |
| 05:43.37 | haggz | * id say |
| 05:43.41 | marek` | ok |
| 05:44.07 | haggz | a theoretically optimal kernel doesnt even use modules, it just compiles in what it needs, and only what it needs -- but no need to try to get that precise for you right now |
| 05:44.07 | marek` | now where is the drivers list? |
| 05:45.07 | haggz | from the main kernel menu device drivers -> serial ATA and parallel ATA devices should bring you to a long list of them |
| 05:45.17 | marek` | to activate my controller |
| 05:45.43 | marek` | serial ata and parallel ata drivers doesnt bring any list |
| 05:45.48 | marek` | it is just M * or _ |
| 05:46.15 | marek` | oh nvm |
| 05:46.16 | marek` | i'm dumb |
| 05:46.18 | marek` | i had to press enter |
| 05:46.26 | wols | enter |
| 05:46.29 | wols | !enter |
| 05:46.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 05:47.32 | marek` | so i'm looking for the intel one |
| 05:47.38 | marek` | Intel ESB, ICH, ... |
| 05:47.47 | Zippy2 | wtf are you doing |
| 05:48.06 | wols | Zippy2: wasting time |
| 05:48.10 | Zippy2 | oh ok |
| 05:48.14 | Zippy2 | back to movie bbl |
| 05:48.18 | marek` | adios |
| 05:49.08 | sarixe | so if you guys are just wasting time, are you available to help me with an iPod problem? |
| 05:49.18 | haggz | an iProblem? |
| 05:49.21 | sarixe | yep |
| 05:49.33 | nepbabu | wrong iProblem(tm) |
| 05:49.52 | sarixe | well, ever since i upgraded to gnome 2.20 in lenny this morning, ipod fails to automatically pop up when it's connected |
| 05:50.24 | sarixe | usually nautilus pops up the folder /media/<volume name> |
| 05:50.29 | sarixe | but it's not |
| 05:50.36 | marek` | i have one more question |
| 05:50.48 | Zippy2 | wow look at that |
| 05:51.18 | marek` | this laptop has a wireless card but it was not working in the previous debian install |
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| 05:51.38 | wols | marek`: again, what hardware? |
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| 05:51.49 | marek` | its a Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card |
| 05:51.56 | Zippy2 | lol dell |
| 05:52.02 | wols | hooray for broadcom shit |
| 05:52.03 | Zippy2 | i got atheros with my thinkpad |
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| 05:52.11 | marek` | dell latitude d520 :/ |
| 05:52.14 | Zippy2 | i told my brother about atheros and he got it too |
| 05:52.17 | sarixe | atheros pwns dell hw |
| 05:52.24 | Zippy2 | atheros owns everything |
| 05:52.28 | sarixe | i have atheros in my belkin |
| 05:52.32 | Zippy2 | i got 5 atheros devices |
| 05:52.34 | wols | marek`: debian etch kernel supports this wlan card |
| 05:52.44 | Zippy2 | access point, router, cardbus, pci, minipc |
| 05:52.50 | sarixe | nice |
| 05:52.51 | wols | Zippy2: I'm sure you have a 5metre dick too. who cares? |
| 05:52.57 | marek` | wols, do i need to include anything in the menuconfig |
| 05:53.02 | Zippy2 | wols: i care. why would yo ucare? :/ |
| 05:53.07 | nepbabu | heh |
| 05:53.08 | Zippy2 | oo new smartmontools |
| 05:53.08 | wols | marek`: yes, the bcm43xx driver |
| 05:53.12 | sarixe | damn! 5 metre... how do you even carry that around? |
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| 05:53.17 | Zippy2 | sarixe: carefully. |
| 05:53.18 | Zippy2 | zing. |
| 05:53.20 | sarixe | lolol |
| 05:53.42 | Zippy2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.43 | Zippy2 | YES! |
| 05:53.48 | Zippy2 | i kept getting those |
| 05:53.57 | sarixe | changelog for what? |
| 05:54.01 | Zippy2 | smartmontools |
| 05:54.04 | sarixe | o |
| 05:54.15 | marek` | wols, ah it wasnt checked |
| 05:54.22 | marek` | thats probably why it didnt work earlier |
| 05:54.25 | sarixe | are you in lenny, and do you happen to own an ipod classic? |
| 05:54.44 | sarixe | (or at least one product from the new gen of ipod) |
| 05:54.50 | wols | marek`: you will need firmware which is not in debian |
| 05:54.56 | wols | !tell marek` about bcm43xx |
| 05:55.05 | nepbabu | sarixe, put a bloody linux on it. http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page |
| 05:55.08 | nepbabu | ;p |
| 05:55.16 | marek` | is there anything else i need to fix up inside the menuconfig before i rebuild the kernel? |
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| 05:55.26 | osmosis | how come sshd doesnt have a incremental delay features ? |
| 05:55.28 | sarixe | nepbabu: can't... it's a new 6gen. not supported by any third-party software |
| 05:55.40 | sarixe | otherwise i'd have rockbox on there |
| 05:55.57 | nepbabu | ahh |
| 05:55.57 | sarixe | uh, looks like no usb drives are mounting, even |
| 05:56.07 | sarixe | flash drive fails to mount automatically |
| 05:56.17 | nepbabu | sarixe, mount -a? |
| 05:56.18 | Zippy2 | lol! |
| 05:56.27 | Zippy2 | is it a race war with apple and open source? |
| 05:56.29 | sarixe | true, but shouldn't they be automounting with gnome? |
| 05:56.51 | nepbabu | sarixe, auto mounting is not gnome |
| 05:56.55 | haggz | marek`: no way for us to tell really, if you have time you can check to make sure your devices are supported and the options make sense but from .18 to .22 most of your config ought to carry over |
| 05:56.55 | nepbabu | feature afaik. |
| 05:56.56 | sarixe | what is it? |
| 05:57.06 | sarixe | feature of what? |
| 05:57.19 | sarixe | and mount -a didn't do a thing |
| 05:57.19 | darkbahamut | umm.. im trying to install fwcutter and i get an error http://paste.debian.net/42774 does anyone know why? |
| 05:57.21 | nepbabu | sarixe, i think there are plethora of config scripts u have to edit before you can auto mount |
| 05:57.27 | marek` | haggz, alright well thanks for the help, its compiling now so we will know in a few minutes |
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| 05:57.34 | nepbabu | !tell sarixe about mount |
| 05:57.36 | darkbahamut | sry if i asked wrong im trying to follow the rules of the bot |
| 05:57.48 | sarixe | i know what mount is |
| 05:57.50 | ampex | any idea why on a standard debian etch install I see tcp6 connections being made to the outside world? |
| 05:57.57 | nepbabu | sarixe, try looking at autofs |
| 05:58.00 | ampex | this is according to netstat |
| 05:58.26 | sarixe | k |
| 05:58.26 | nepbabu | !tell sarixe about automount |
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| 05:58.38 | sarixe | ah, that may help |
| 05:59.07 | wols | ampex: avahi? |
| 05:59.13 | darkbahamut | umm.. nvm i gtg ill be back later |
| 05:59.15 | nepbabu | that avahi crap |
| 05:59.20 | nepbabu | !@@#!@##$@#$ |
| 05:59.22 | nepbabu | :p |
| 05:59.29 | ampex | wols: ? |
| 05:59.32 | sarixe | ah |
| 05:59.42 | sarixe | gnome-volume-manager is still 2.17 |
| 05:59.45 | Zippy2 | why is avahi installed by default? |
| 05:59.47 | sarixe | that may be why? |
| 05:59.48 | ampex | I just know that when I run netstat -tap it shows connections being made to my http server on port 80 as tcp6 |
| 05:59.56 | nepbabu | sarixe, so? |
| 06:00.00 | zjr | what determines the time that cron runs /etc/cron.daily? |
| 06:00.05 | Zippy2 | ampex: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and replace ipv6 with off |
| 06:00.14 | ampex | I don't really care if it's enabled |
| 06:00.19 | nepbabu | ampex, tcp6 is tcp using ipv6 i believe |
| 06:00.26 | ampex | I just don't understand how a connection to an ipv4 address can show as being tcp6 |
| 06:00.33 | sarixe | nepbabu : seems like there may be a discrepancy with gnome 2.20 not wanting to use 2.17 of gnome-volume-manager |
| 06:00.43 | sarixe | from very vague observations, that is |
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| 06:00.48 | Zippy2 | does gnome-power-manager still suck in 2.2? |
| 06:00.49 | nepbabu | sarixe, maybe man. try asking at #gnome |
| 06:00.51 | ampex | or is tcp6 backwards compatible? |
| 06:00.55 | sarixe | kk |
| 06:00.56 | jakelfenix | hello |
| 06:00.59 | nepbabu | maybe |
| 06:01.02 | ampex | so that tcp6 connections can be made between ipv4 hosts? |
| 06:01.51 | Zippy2 | ampex: why? |
| 06:02.00 | jakelfenix | how do i a bootstrap of a fedora system for use with a chroot in debian? |
| 06:02.17 | ampex | I'm just interested in why netstat shows tcp6 connections to ipv4 addresses |
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| 06:02.42 | wols | jakelfenix: ask #fedora |
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| 06:03.23 | dbmoodb | !deb |
| 06:03.23 | dpkg | it has been said that deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 06:04.02 | Zippy2 | ampex: maybe because ipv6 is just bound to your interface? |
| 06:04.08 | Zippy2 | oh i know why |
| 06:04.22 | Zippy2 | if it's a local socket that listens on ipv6, it will show a ipv6 socket type |
| 06:04.33 | Zippy2 | if you listen on 0.0.0.0 it will say just tcp |
| 06:04.35 | ampex | even if the actual connectio is ipv4 |
| 06:04.37 | ampex | ok |
| 06:04.38 | ampex | gotcha |
| 06:04.38 | Zippy2 | as opposed to :::: |
| 06:04.42 | Zippy2 | or * |
| 06:04.50 | ampex | so lighttpd must support ipv6 |
| 06:04.58 | Zippy2 | yep |
| 06:05.01 | sarixe | nepbabu : nobody's responding... |
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| 06:05.25 | nepbabu | patience |
| 06:05.37 | sarixe | true |
| 06:06.09 | dbmoodb | want us to visit the page ? |
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| 06:07.39 | sarixe | dbmoodb : you asking me? |
| 06:07.44 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 06:07.51 | dbmoodb | you want traffic we can provide |
| 06:07.53 | nepbabu | it doesn't matter even if lighttpd supports ipv6, your router/modem should support it. |
| 06:08.03 | sarixe | dbmoodb : what are you even talking about? |
| 06:08.06 | nepbabu | dbmoodb, microsoft.com |
| 06:08.08 | dbmoodb | .... |
| 06:08.10 | dbmoodb | what ? |
| 06:08.21 | nepbabu | that's your fscking traffic there |
| 06:08.50 | dbmoodb | ...? |
| 06:08.50 | dbmoodb | ah i don't get it |
| 06:08.56 | nepbabu | nevermind. :) |
| 06:09.06 | sarixe | nepbabu : it's dangerous to fsck a server when it's running... |
| 06:09.10 | dbmoodb | no i'm not running windows |
| 06:09.19 | sarixe | ... you may get an electric shock someplace uncomfortable |
| 06:09.22 | dbmoodb | and no i would not think that windows runs linux |
| 06:09.32 | dbmoodb | if i was to try do that i think they would get a bsod |
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| 06:11.39 | dbmoodb | !food |
| 06:11.40 | dpkg | food is probably "any substance that can be metabolized by an organism to give energy and build tissue," according to WordNet 2.0. Electricity for humans. |
| 06:12.01 | Zippy2 | router/modem support ipv6? |
| 06:12.02 | Zippy2 | since when? |
| 06:12.15 | dbmoodb | ah dude just get your self a tunnel - if he has a linux router lol |
| 06:12.28 | nepbabu | since now. |
| 06:12.58 | nepbabu | and your kernel. there u go. |
| 06:13.34 | nepbabu | unless they are satisfied, lightppd running listening on ipv6 is a moot |
| 06:13.35 | Zippy2 | who needs ipv6 besides vhost kiddies |
| 06:13.39 | sarixe | uh... why wouldn't a router support ipv6? (note that i don't know much of anything about ipv6 other than that it exists) |
| 06:13.44 | dalias | zippy2, huh? |
| 06:13.49 | dalias | ipv6 has nothing to dowith vhost |
| 06:14.04 | nepbabu | ipv6 is ip next gen so called. |
| 06:14.12 | zjr | where is the time defined for cron.daily? |
| 06:14.15 | dalias | ipv6 is the answer to "oh fsck, we ran out of ip addresses" |
| 06:14.39 | Zippy2 | dalias: what is it used for? the amazing backbone? |
| 06:14.52 | Zippy2 | the address space that connects to no one and nothing? |
| 06:15.08 | nepbabu | it's used for normal ip traffic. and will replace ipv4 |
| 06:15.09 | dalias | it's a separate protocol that the internet is in the (very slow) process of migrating to |
| 06:15.11 | Zippy2 | besides irc, universities and pastebin |
| 06:15.15 | Zippy2 | nepbabu: not for 10+ years |
| 06:15.16 | nepbabu | gtg all |
| 06:15.21 | nepbabu | Zippy2, wrong again |
| 06:15.28 | Zippy2 | nope. fraid not |
| 06:15.33 | nepbabu | check out wikipedia article my fren. |
| 06:15.36 | dalias | it will gradually replace ipv4 over the next ~10 years |
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| 06:15.54 | nepbabu | bye fellas |
| 06:15.56 | Zippy2 | gradually. im talking about prevalency |
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| 06:18.56 | dbmoodb | i think ipv6 will give my front door an ip - hopes |
| 06:19.36 | sarixe | well i think it would be kind of awesome if people could choose to get a free static ip |
| 06:20.03 | sarixe | because honestly, what's the deal with /not/ having one for free? |
| 06:20.11 | dbmoodb | well yeah most likely it will cost or we will be given a few |
| 06:20.28 | dbmoodb | in our net plans |
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| 06:24.23 | Zippy2 | why does your front door need to be on the internet? |
| 06:24.23 | Zippy2 | nat ftw |
| 06:24.48 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 06:25.00 | sarixe | static nat, ftw, which my stepdad won't fecking give me |
| 06:25.02 | dbmoodb | nat for the stupid |
| 06:25.12 | dbmoodb | static nat ? |
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| 06:25.39 | sarixe | it's when all unsolicited incoming traffic is redirected to a single computer on the lan |
| 06:25.55 | dbmoodb | ah sarixe - reset you modem / router and reconfigure it |
| 06:26.04 | polishpaul_ | how do i selectively update packages? like i want to update only apache2 |
| 06:26.17 | sarixe | then my stepdad realizes that HEY! the password isn't there! |
| 06:26.33 | dbmoodb | and |
| 06:26.37 | sarixe | then he proceeds to reset the router, then put everything back the way it was |
| 06:26.42 | dbmoodb | and |
| 06:26.52 | sarixe | and then i won't have static nat |
| 06:26.57 | sarixe | and i'll be in massive trouble |
| 06:27.34 | marek` | the new kernel worked |
| 06:27.36 | marek` | woo |
| 06:27.39 | sarixe | w00t |
| 06:28.15 | dbmoodb | i would give my brother static nat |
| 06:28.31 | dbmoodb | tis just stupid |
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| 06:28.34 | sarixe | well i'm not your brother, am i? |
| 06:28.40 | dbmoodb | ... ok |
| 06:28.48 | dbmoodb | i would give my mum it |
| 06:28.53 | dbmoodb | sic |
| 06:28.54 | sarixe | stepdad sez: "IT'S A SECURITY HAZARD!" |
| 06:28.58 | dbmoodb | no |
| 06:29.15 | sarixe | he also wouldn't let bittorrent ports open |
| 06:29.21 | sarixe | nor uPnP |
| 06:29.21 | dbmoodb | it is - a small one more to the point waste of time |
| 06:29.24 | dbmoodb | LOL |
| 06:29.31 | dbmoodb | ok dude reset it |
| 06:29.40 | dbmoodb | i woulf put up with that |
| 06:29.52 | dbmoodb | change you isp pass and watch the fun |
| 06:29.52 | Zippy2 | sounds like a smart step father |
| 06:29.53 | sarixe | well i can just wait until i get to my dad's house |
| 06:30.01 | sarixe | where i am the sysadmin of the network, basically |
| 06:30.09 | dbmoodb | basically lol |
| 06:30.09 | sarixe | i have no router firewall enabled |
| 06:30.20 | sarixe | just per-computer firewall |
| 06:30.24 | sarixe | and i run a server |
| 06:30.35 | dbmoodb | i am the admin on mine |
| 06:30.48 | dbmoodb | wtf per computer firewall ? |
| 06:30.50 | sarixe | and it works, because i have the static nat, and the necessary ports open! |
| 06:31.05 | dbmoodb | how about you turn off nat |
| 06:31.05 | sarixe | and i can get bittorrent working because there's not idiotic router firewall! |
| 06:31.10 | sarixe | no* |
| 06:31.13 | dbmoodb | ah dude |
| 06:31.22 | dbmoodb | your running a server |
| 06:31.39 | sarixe | yep |
| 06:31.43 | sarixe | it's a piece of crap |
| 06:31.46 | dbmoodb | whats the dynamic name ? |
| 06:31.48 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 06:31.52 | sarixe | but it's not really tolled that much |
| 06:31.57 | sarixe | i'm not telling you |
| 06:32.02 | dbmoodb | just a ssh ? |
| 06:32.05 | sarixe | no |
| 06:32.10 | sarixe | ssh/http |
| 06:32.26 | sarixe | trying to get usenet up also |
| 06:33.07 | dbmoodb | n=sarixe@ool-435403e9.dyn.optonline.net no cloak oh well |
| 06:33.16 | sarixe | that's THIS house, stoopid |
| 06:33.23 | dbmoodb | i know |
| 06:33.29 | sarixe | i'm not running the server here |
| 06:33.34 | dbmoodb | dur |
| 06:33.44 | dbmoodb | ssh 12 year old |
| 06:33.48 | sarixe | ? |
| 06:33.56 | dbmoodb | stop jumping up and down |
| 06:34.05 | sarixe | what? |
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| 06:34.22 | Zippy2 | sarixe: youbetter not live in long island |
| 06:34.26 | sarixe | nope |
| 06:34.32 | Zippy2 | brooklyn? |
| 06:34.35 | sarixe | nope |
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| 06:34.43 | Zippy2 | bronx? westchester? |
| 06:34.48 | sarixe | not ny |
| 06:34.49 | Zippy2 | new jersey? |
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| 06:34.51 | sarixe | yep |
| 06:35.07 | dbmoodb | ooooo gay |
| 06:35.08 | Zippy2 | yep |
| 06:35.12 | dbmoodb | see |
| 06:35.15 | sarixe | pfft @ dbmoodb |
| 06:35.17 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 06:35.27 | dbmoodb | i know tis not san |
| 06:35.33 | sarixe | ? |
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| 06:36.08 | dbmoodb | fran |
| 06:37.02 | sarixe | uh |
| 06:37.06 | sarixe | why would it be? |
| 06:37.17 | Zippy2 | what are we talking about |
| 06:37.29 | sarixe | no clue |
| 06:37.42 | dbmoodb | never mind |
| 06:37.46 | sarixe | but zippy, how'd you get my general location from that hostmask? |
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| 06:38.02 | frederick85 | what's a quick way to get java for debian |
| 06:38.02 | dbmoodb | another iinet user |
| 06:38.04 | Zippy2 | todays word of the day; bucolic |
| 06:38.09 | frederick85 | and jsp functionality |
| 06:38.12 | Zippy2 | sarixe: they are in all those places and connecticut |
| 06:38.14 | dbmoodb | fran |
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| 06:38.22 | sarixe | oh true |
| 06:38.23 | dbmoodb | !java |
| 06:38.24 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 06:38.29 | sarixe | i keep forgetting optimum is pretty local |
| 06:38.35 | dbmoodb | iinet it |
| 06:38.44 | Zippy2 | sarixe: thanks to monopoly laws |
| 06:38.52 | dbmoodb | lol owned |
| 06:38.59 | sarixe | at my dad's i have verizon (which i guess is local also...) but that has nwrk in the hostmask |
| 06:39.24 | dbmoodb | lol .... owned ? you cannot pick your own isp ? |
| 06:39.33 | sarixe | uh, not me myself |
| 06:39.37 | Zippy2 | cablevision>verizon |
| 06:39.40 | dbmoodb | you parents ? |
| 06:39.47 | sarixe | dbmoodb : yes |
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| 06:39.57 | dbmoodb | can they pick another isp tho |
| 06:40.01 | sarixe | Zippy2 : i know this, but my dad's a cheap guy |
| 06:40.16 | sarixe | i wish we had fios |
| 06:40.25 | sarixe | that's some crazy speed |
| 06:40.27 | Zippy2 | fios is bullshit |
| 06:40.31 | sarixe | o? |
| 06:40.39 | Zippy2 | cablevision is mostly fiber and has always been |
| 06:40.52 | sarixe | yes, but is it as fast as fios? |
| 06:41.05 | Zippy2 | its 15mbit/2 or 30/5 if you pay more |
| 06:41.08 | Zippy2 | how fast is fios? |
| 06:41.13 | Zippy2 | i dont need more than 15/2 |
| 06:41.22 | sarixe | i don't know the speeds exactly |
| 06:41.32 | dbmoodb | 15/2 ? |
| 06:41.38 | sarixe | but fios was, iirc, about twice the speed of ool |
| 06:41.45 | Zippy2 | 15Mbps down, 2Mbps up |
| 06:41.46 | dbmoodb | 15mbs ? sp slower than adsl2 + |
| 06:41.50 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 06:42.04 | dbmoodb | america ... don't you have faster net ? |
| 06:42.09 | Zippy2 | nope |
| 06:42.11 | dbmoodb | bs |
| 06:42.16 | Zippy2 | we have better routing though |
| 06:42.21 | dbmoodb | nar |
| 06:42.24 | Zippy2 | especially in new york where i am |
| 06:42.27 | dbmoodb | you are were the routing is |
| 06:42.31 | dbmoodb | not better |
| 06:42.37 | dbmoodb | just nas tapped |
| 06:42.37 | Zippy2 | ? |
| 06:42.44 | dbmoodb | nsa* |
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| 06:43.12 | Zippy2 | says who? that lame "hacker" group? |
| 06:43.18 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 06:43.24 | dbmoodb | the nsa |
| 06:43.35 | sarixe | well i read an article that shows you what to look for in a traceroute |
| 06:43.40 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 06:43.43 | dbmoodb | ah one sec |
| 06:43.43 | sarixe | and i tracerouted to google |
| 06:43.47 | sarixe | and it didn't come up |
| 06:43.50 | dbmoodb | nar |
| 06:43.53 | Zippy2 | i didnt save the url for the nsa thing |
| 06:43.58 | sarixe | of course, this person was using at&t |
| 06:44.05 | dbmoodb | you need to traceroute google |
| 06:44.21 | sarixe | uh |
| 06:44.31 | sarixe | what else? any website's good, right? |
| 06:44.39 | dbmoodb | 13 cr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.122.1.189) 248.288 ms 245.291 ms 245.640 ms |
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| 06:44.59 | sarixe | i think it was a san francisco location |
| 06:45.04 | dbmoodb | any att is not good |
| 06:45.08 | dbmoodb | i know |
| 06:45.12 | sarixe | what service you on? |
| 06:45.15 | Zippy2 | traceroute google? |
| 06:45.17 | dbmoodb | iinet |
| 06:45.29 | Zippy2 | i dont see at&t |
| 06:45.34 | dbmoodb | mm? |
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| 06:45.49 | dbmoodb | when you traceroute the nsa.gov ? |
| 06:45.58 | Zippy2 | 72.14.236.215 is the first hop passed my isp |
| 06:46.17 | Zippy2 | oh leet! cogentco! |
| 06:46.18 | Zippy2 | i love cogent |
| 06:46.24 | Zippy2 | cogent then at&t |
| 06:46.25 | dbmoodb | !iinet |
| 06:46.25 | dpkg | iinet is probably an australian ISP or http://www.iinet.net.au |
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| 06:46.35 | Zippy2 | i always get ultrafast speeds with cogent |
| 06:46.39 | dbmoodb | debian based |
| 06:46.40 | Zippy2 | probably cause of the nsa taps :D |
| 06:46.50 | dbmoodb | damn right zipy |
| 06:47.03 | sarixe | man |
| 06:47.08 | sarixe | dpkg knows everything |
| 06:47.08 | dpkg | Yes, I do, sarixe. |
| 06:47.16 | sarixe | nice |
| 06:47.17 | dbmoodb | the nsa doesn't know their tap runs both ways |
| 06:47.34 | dbmoodb | so you get access to their fast net channels - dur |
| 06:49.37 | sarixe | 13 gr1-a3110s1.attga.ip.att.net (192.205.33.201) 194.917 ms * * |
| 06:49.49 | sarixe | for nsa.gov |
| 06:50.13 | dbmoodb | Registrars.david@thirdgig:~$ whois nsa.gov |
| 06:50.13 | dbmoodb | % DOTGOV WHOIS Server ready |
| 06:50.13 | dbmoodb | Domain Name: nsa.gov |
| 06:50.13 | dbmoodb | Status: Active |
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| 06:51.30 | dbmoodb | ban - can we warn first ? |
| 06:51.39 | sarixe | lol |
| 06:51.53 | dbmoodb | a bit silly |
| 06:52.09 | dbmoodb | meh iinet runs off debian |
| 06:52.31 | dbmoodb | and is a sponsor i think |
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| 06:53.24 | sarixe | holy shit |
| 06:53.33 | sarixe | more than 30 hops from here to iinet.com.au |
| 06:53.59 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone help me with my audio card? for some reason it doesn't have drivers.. |
| 06:54.54 | sarixe | uh, what model? |
| 06:55.05 | DeZ_666 | Onboard soundcard |
| 06:55.09 | sarixe | ... |
| 06:55.10 | sarixe | what model? |
| 06:55.13 | DeZ_666 | its nForce 410 chipset |
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| 06:55.32 | sarixe | what does lspci give you about it? |
| 06:55.36 | Nyle | rahul: where? |
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| 06:56.02 | DeZ_666 | it sees it, it says nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio |
| 06:56.13 | DeZ_666 | http://www.pastebin.ca/779091 <-- look there |
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| 06:56.42 | sarixe | doesn't look like alsa supports it |
| 06:56.48 | DeZ_666 | :( |
| 06:57.00 | DeZ_666 | When I had fedora it worked OK.. D: |
| 06:57.09 | sarixe | maybe i'm wrong then |
| 06:57.21 | wols | DeZ_666: hda-intel |
| 06:57.34 | DeZ_666 | i dont have an intel board... |
| 06:58.10 | wols | you don't have an intel cpu either but still you run i386 |
| 06:58.36 | Nyle | hmm |
| 06:58.40 | Nyle | what do you have? |
| 06:58.51 | DeZ_666 | Processor? |
| 06:58.55 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:59.02 | DeZ_666 | AMD64 3500+ |
| 06:59.10 | Nyle | what does that mean? |
| 06:59.15 | Nyle | 3.5ghz? |
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| 06:59.18 | DeZ_666 | No |
| 06:59.21 | DeZ_666 | ~2.2ghz |
| 06:59.23 | wols | about 2GHz |
| 06:59.32 | Nyle | so why isn't it called 2200? |
| 06:59.37 | sarixe | wols, DeZ_666 : DeZ_666 is running x86_64, not i386 |
| 06:59.38 | DeZ_666 | Ask AMD? |
| 07:00.07 | DeZ_666 | and yes sarixe thanks for that clarification i would have said something but ive been wrong about a lot lately :) |
| 07:00.14 | sarixe | heh |
| 07:00.20 | sarixe | np |
| 07:00.31 | wols | Nyle: why is a P4 3GHz called a P4 630? |
| 07:00.51 | DeZ_666 | They are called that? o.O |
| 07:01.01 | sarixe | laff |
| 07:01.07 | sarixe | (it's called a model number) |
| 07:01.31 | DeZ_666 | I have a P4 521 |
| 07:01.49 | wols | Nyle: supposedly it's how fast you'd have to clock a athlon tbird to be as fast as this cpu |
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| 07:02.26 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 07:02.32 | dbmoodb | what to 521 |
| 07:02.38 | DeZ_666 | Huh? |
| 07:02.41 | wols | that's simply a number |
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| 07:02.51 | sarixe | i have the same processor... amd athlon 64 3500+ |
| 07:02.55 | sarixe | running 2.2ghz |
| 07:02.59 | sarixe | yet i run i386 |
| 07:03.14 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 07:03.31 | DeZ_666 | i dont think that matters especially.. |
| 07:03.43 | dbmoodb | !telstra |
| 07:03.43 | dpkg | methinks telstra is a set of clueless morons. Australia's largest telco that dominates the whole copper sector, and wouldn't know how to fix a phone line if they had a magical phone line fixing machine |
| 07:03.59 | DeZ_666 | LOL |
| 07:03.59 | sarixe | well at the time i first tried an x86_64 distro, support was very limited |
| 07:04.21 | DeZ_666 | sarixe: when i had fedora 8 my audio worked fine XD |
| 07:04.27 | sarixe | oo |
| 07:04.43 | sarixe | well at any rate, the big thing i suffered with was lack of java |
| 07:04.56 | sarixe | at that time, java hadn't even come out for x86_64 |
| 07:04.59 | sarixe | and this was ubuntu |
| 07:05.05 | DeZ_666 | Ah i see |
| 07:05.16 | DeZ_666 | im gonna load puppylinux see if it loads drivers for it |
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| 07:05.29 | sarixe | cool |
| 07:05.55 | DeZ_666 | well, if i find an OS that has drivers for it i can use those drivers in debian correct? :D |
| 07:06.08 | jimmybgood | I think the Debian 64 bit kernel with 32 bit user space works very well. |
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| 07:06.23 | dbmoodb | dez - not shit |
| 07:06.34 | dbmoodb | actually it depends |
| 07:06.42 | rvalles | DeZ_666: drivers are a kernel thing |
| 07:06.50 | dbmoodb | you need to be able to have them run nice with the linux kernel |
| 07:06.53 | marek` | hey |
| 07:06.57 | marek` | i'm trying to patch the kernel |
| 07:07.02 | dbmoodb | for |
| 07:07.03 | rvalles | DeZ_666: hardware support should be the same as long as you compile your own kernels with support for whatever hardware you have. |
| 07:07.04 | marek` | how long should this usually take? |
| 07:07.17 | dbmoodb | make or compile ? |
| 07:07.23 | dbmoodb | ones noes |
| 07:07.24 | DeZ_666 | rvalles: that sounds complex ^O^ and im not good with linux at all |
| 07:07.32 | rvalles | DeZ_666: (unless you cross architectures, like trying to install a sparc64 distribution on x86) |
| 07:07.37 | rvalles | DeZ_666: it's not that complex |
| 07:07.40 | marek` | patch -p1 ../path/to/patch-2.6.22.5 |
| 07:07.43 | rvalles | DeZ_666: can you compile programs? |
| 07:07.56 | wols | rvalles: you support him then when he fucks up his debian install |
| 07:08.02 | rvalles | wols: of course not :) |
| 07:08.03 | DeZ_666 | you mean using gcc, etc? |
| 07:08.23 | wols | marek`: what's that supposed to do? |
| 07:08.24 | rvalles | DeZ_666: well, I did build my first kernel on first week using linux, back in '2000. |
| 07:08.35 | rvalles | DeZ_666: ... and it booted! |
| 07:08.40 | DeZ_666 | :o |
| 07:08.40 | sarixe | man, it looks like i could totally run an amd64 debian |
| 07:08.43 | rvalles | DeZ_666: if I could, so can you. |
| 07:08.46 | sarixe | reading http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 07:08.55 | DeZ_666 | sarixe: why couldnt you? |
| 07:08.56 | zeno | Hi, hitting lower case 'P' results in a command-line box named 'Set Title'. This is new, maybe related to a 'sid' uPgrade. How do I stoP it ? |
| 07:09.02 | wols | marek`: this is not a proper patch commandline |
| 07:09.11 | DeZ_666 | im on debian 4.0r1 AMD64 |
| 07:09.11 | wols | marek`: patch -p1 < ../path/to/patch-2.6.22.5 |
| 07:09.15 | marek` | i left out the < |
| 07:09.16 | sarixe | DeZ_666 : remembering the experience with amd64 ubuntu |
| 07:09.16 | marek` | shoot |
| 07:09.18 | DeZ_666 | i used a netinst cd |
| 07:09.22 | marek` | it was haning for the next file |
| 07:09.22 | marek` | heh |
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| 07:09.54 | sarixe | i wonder... could i switch the arch on the fly, just by apt? |
| 07:10.07 | wols | sarixe: no |
| 07:10.12 | sarixe | k |
| 07:10.46 | sarixe | also, are programs being written to be optimized for 64-bit, or are they still mostly designed with 32-bit in mind? |
| 07:11.27 | dalias | that question is pretty empty |
| 07:11.37 | sarixe | meh |
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| 07:11.41 | sarixe | just curious |
| 07:11.47 | sarixe | because i did a test once |
| 07:11.57 | dalias | what would "optimized for 64 bit" mean? |
| 07:12.10 | sarixe | lame runs faster as a 32-bit program than as a 64-bit program... by far |
| 07:12.22 | DeZ_666 | K so it would seem Puppylinux has drivers for my audio card |
| 07:12.24 | sarixe | at least on windows xp x64 |
| 07:12.35 | dalias | sarixe, there are a couple optimizations |
| 07:12.46 | dalias | one is that all the optimized asm is only for x86, not x86-64 |
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| 07:12.54 | wols | DeZ_666: for a prize: what is the driver called? |
| 07:13.02 | sarixe | right, that's what i mean |
| 07:13.07 | dalias | so it's using the plain high-level C code when compiled on x86-64 |
| 07:13.08 | DeZ_666 | How do I find out what its called :) |
| 07:13.12 | dalias | not sure if that's the case with lame or not |
| 07:13.15 | dalias | but it's a possibility |
| 07:13.19 | dalias | if that's your question |
| 07:13.28 | wols | dalias: I can spare you you the guessing snd-hda-intel |
| 07:13.33 | dalias | then the answer is that lots of things are 'optimized' in this sense |
| 07:13.38 | sarixe | dalias : i believe that's it |
| 07:14.00 | dalias | mplayer particularly is able to compile almost all of its optimized asm in both x86 and x86-64 targets |
| 07:14.13 | dalias | including all the code in ffmpeg libraries |
| 07:14.20 | dalias | which is also used by most other multimedia apps |
| 07:14.20 | DeZ_666 | im gonna run alsaconf under puppylinux see what it gives.. |
| 07:14.27 | sarixe | well next weekend, i know what i'm doing. migrating to amd64 debian lenny |
| 07:14.33 | dalias | however |
| 07:14.39 | DeZ_666 | wols: you are indeed correct |
| 07:14.43 | dalias | x86-64 is not necessarily faster |
| 07:14.47 | DeZ_666 | how can i get that driver for my debian install |
| 07:14.48 | dalias | in many cases it may be slower |
| 07:14.55 | sarixe | i know, that's what i'm getting at |
| 07:15.04 | dalias | and _not_ because of lack of optimization |
| 07:15.07 | wols | DeZ_666: you already have it |
| 07:15.08 | dalias | but for fundamental reasons |
| 07:15.15 | sarixe | o? |
| 07:15.19 | dalias | on x86-64, every pointer uses 8 bytes rather than 4 |
| 07:15.26 | DeZ_666 | wols: explain? |
| 07:15.32 | dalias | so data structures full of pointers will be twice as large |
| 07:15.39 | sarixe | ah, damn |
| 07:15.40 | dalias | and thus only half as many will fit in the cache |
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| 07:16.13 | dalias | there are tradeoffs of course |
| 07:16.19 | dalias | 64-bit arithmetic will be faster |
| 07:16.28 | sarixe | right |
| 07:16.28 | dalias | and the x86-64 arch has a lot more registers available |
| 07:16.57 | DeZ_666 | Gah, there is no alsaconf X_X |
| 07:17.13 | dalias | but unless you really need for processes to be able to address more than 3 gigs of memory, there's no clearcut answer to whether you should use x86-64 or not |
| 07:17.15 | wols | !installit |
| 07:17.15 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 07:17.19 | sarixe | so basically, it's creating a need and a supply for that need... and just making tradeoffs that result in close to no speed increase? |
| 07:17.36 | dalias | there are cases when you really want or need 64-bit |
| 07:17.37 | DeZ_666 | wols: ive already downloaded every alsa package |
| 07:18.02 | dalias | like if your application deals with terrabytes of data and wants it all directly addressible without having to seek around the disk and map and unmap it |
| 07:18.12 | dalias | huge database things can surely benefit |
| 07:18.20 | dalias | terabytes* |
| 07:18.20 | sarixe | aye |
| 07:18.25 | dalias | i think |
| 07:18.32 | dalias | i always mess up that spelling |
| 07:18.33 | wols | dpkg -l alsa-utils |
| 07:18.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching alsa-utils |
| 07:18.42 | sarixe | it's tera- |
| 07:18.47 | wols | dpkg: shaddup |
| 07:18.48 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 07:18.54 | DeZ_666 | dpkg -l alsaconf |
| 07:18.54 | dpkg | ii alsaconf 3.5-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 07:19.02 | DeZ_666 | x.x i just looked for it.. |
| 07:19.12 | wols | !moron DeZ_666 |
| 07:19.12 | dpkg | DeZ_666: You are moron #90 |
| 07:19.28 | DeZ_666 | ..that isnt helping me |
| 07:20.02 | wols | < wols> dpkg -l alsa-utils wasn't either so who cares? |
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| 07:22.39 | dalias | sarixe, so, you have to decide for yourself if 64-bit is a good idea :) |
| 07:22.44 | sarixe | mm |
| 07:22.50 | sarixe | well, i probably won't do it |
| 07:22.57 | sarixe | there's no significant benefit |
| 07:23.02 | dalias | all other things being equal, i think using the smallest number of bits that will represent the address space size you need is good. |
| 07:23.04 | sarixe | and i'm good with the system i have |
| 07:23.18 | wols | sarixe: the only real downside is the shitty proprietary support |
| 07:23.19 | dalias | but with x86-64 there are also lots of other improvements to the instruction set |
| 07:23.27 | wols | at least as far as linux is concerned |
| 07:23.34 | sauvin | Such as? |
| 07:23.42 | sarixe | fglrx, probably |
| 07:23.52 | wols | no. java, flash mainly |
| 07:23.54 | dalias | and flash |
| 07:23.57 | sarixe | ah damn |
| 07:24.01 | sarixe | then it's a no go |
| 07:24.05 | dalias | heh |
| 07:24.26 | sarixe | but didn't i just read that amd64 debian supports the native running of 32bit bins? |
| 07:24.28 | dalias | this is one of the fundamental reasons proprietary software is bad |
| 07:24.35 | dalias | it locks you into a particular hardware platform |
| 07:24.47 | dalias | even if you want to transition to a new one you can't :( |
| 07:24.52 | dalias | sarixe, yes |
| 07:25.05 | dalias | sarixe, but it can't use 32bit shared-lib plugins in 64bit apps |
| 07:25.09 | dalias | so |
| 07:25.12 | sarixe | oh true |
| 07:25.16 | dalias | you could install a 32bit iceweasel |
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| 07:25.27 | dalias | but you can't use flash plugin with your 64bit iceweasel |
| 07:25.28 | sarixe | well that's kinda pointless then |
| 07:25.47 | sarixe | if i'm just gonna use 32bit apps anyway, i may as well stick with a 32bit system |
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| 07:25.54 | dalias | yeah |
| 07:26.08 | dalias | for now at least i think it's a mistake to use 64bit OS unless you really need to |
| 07:26.13 | sarixe | yep |
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| 07:27.19 | sauvin | I've arrived at a similar conclusion. |
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| 07:27.41 | darkbahamut | hey everyone |
| 07:27.45 | DeZ_666 | hi.. |
| 07:27.56 | sarixe | hey, it's that guy! |
| 07:28.08 | darkbahamut | o.O |
| 07:28.17 | DeZ_666 | ffs, why wont my ehternet card configure right |
| 07:28.18 | dalias | which darkbahamut are you named after? |
| 07:28.29 | wols | the dark one? |
| 07:28.33 | DeZ_666 | why is this so frustrating :( |
| 07:28.34 | darkbahamut | lol |
| 07:28.38 | dalias | ... |
| 07:28.39 | darkbahamut | im not rly sure |
| 07:29.20 | darkbahamut | i like bahamut-zero |
| 07:29.34 | darkbahamut | and neo-bahamut |
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| 07:31.22 | sarixe | i like unrealircd |
| 07:31.40 | darkbahamut | wols: can you have the bot send me the info about wlan again? |
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| 07:33.45 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 07:33.46 | dpkg | i heard dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 07:34.03 | darkbahamut | wols: umm.. nvm i found it |
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| 07:36.55 | cammoblammo | Does anyone know why the 2.6.23 kernel hasn't hit unstable yet? Or does it alws take this long? |
| 07:37.40 | dalias | wow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuRfQlMu2VY |
| 07:37.49 | techrush | all signs point to........ |
| 07:37.50 | techrush | maybe. |
| 07:40.01 | marek` | if i started to compile kernel with: make-kpkg but forgot to do it as root |
| 07:40.07 | marek` | then it said "error must be root" |
| 07:40.11 | acu | can you make a vesa driver display 1440X900 resolution (wide) ? I have an NVIDIA GEFORCE 7150 and I cannot make it work |
| 07:40.12 | marek` | do i have to make-kpkg clean? |
| 07:40.19 | marek` | or can i just do sudo make-kpkg again |
| 07:41.10 | darkbahamut | can anyone tell me why i get an error http://paste.debian.net/42776 when trying to install bcm43xx-fwcutter? |
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| 07:41.52 | darkbahamut | sry if i asked wrong im still getting use to the bots rules of how to ask |
| 07:42.12 | linux26 | Hello. I have the following in /etc/passwd: www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh ; what I can't understand is: why is the shell /bin/sh and not /bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin ? |
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| 07:43.04 | dalias | why does it matter? |
| 07:43.26 | dalias | the account cannot login anyway because it has no password or other authentication methods |
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| 07:44.43 | linux26 | why does the user ntpd have "/bin/false" as a shell even though it *too* can not login because it has no pass / no auth methods |
| 07:44.59 | dalias | i agree it's inconsistent |
| 07:45.02 | dalias | but not any harm |
| 07:45.12 | zrin | how can I search for all packages with tag network::routing? |
| 07:45.21 | dalias | file a bug report if you like |
| 07:45.26 | linux26 | so should the HTTPD get compromised, /bin/sh being the associated shell would make no difference |
| 07:45.40 | dalias | right, it will make no difference |
| 07:45.47 | linux26 | ok |
| 07:45.56 | linux26 | thanks |
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| 07:46.30 | dalias | the shell in /etc/passwd is only used when login progras (/bin/login on console, sshd, etc.) start a login session by authenticating a user |
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| 07:47.11 | dalias | if httpd is compromised with a code execution attack, the attacker can run whatever program they like |
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| 07:47.22 | dalias | their shellcode isn't going to look in /etc/passwd to see what shell to run |
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| 07:47.31 | dalias | it'll just run /bin/sh or whatever directly :) |
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| 07:47.50 | darkbahamut | can anyone help me? i dont know why i get this error http://paste.debian.net/42776 when trying to install bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 07:48.01 | linux26 | ntzt ntzt ntzt; as a responsible shellcoder, I would check /etc/passwd :) |
| 07:49.10 | hoxu | darkbahamut, hum, looks like the package invokes wget and tries to download a file that's no longer available |
| 07:49.37 | dalias | linux26, :) |
| 07:49.52 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i see.. umm is there any other way of installing it do you know? |
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| 07:50.26 | hoxu | darkbahamut, no clue, but this seems related: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445133 |
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| 07:51.54 | hoxu | darkbahamut, "Fixed in version bcm43xx-fwcutter/1:006-2" |
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| 07:52.50 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i need to find a way to install it |
| 07:53.19 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i can get the file itself but i dont know how to install it |
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| 07:55.34 | jimmybgood | darkbahamut: are you running a web server on your local machine? |
| 07:56.00 | darkbahamut | jimmybgood: nope |
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| 07:57.03 | jimmybgood | if you were you could trick wget into downloading the file from your own machine |
| 07:57.07 | hoxu | darkbahamut, are you on sid? |
| 07:58.14 | darkbahamut | hoxu: ? |
| 07:58.36 | hoxu | what's in your /etc/debian_version? |
| 07:58.53 | darkbahamut | jimmybgood: isnt there any other way like in windows you just double click on install |
| 07:59.09 | darkbahamut | hoxu: debian etch |
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| 08:01.26 | jimmybgood | you could rebuild the package with a different script, but that's not trivial |
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| 08:01.45 | dalias | what is this package? |
| 08:01.53 | hoxu | bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 08:02.02 | dalias | what is that? |
| 08:02.24 | hoxu | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 08:02.26 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 08:03.32 | hoxu | the problem is fixed in sid version, but I wonder about the dependencies... |
| 08:03.40 | frederic185 | My wan ip address seems to be viewable from local network but behind the router it doesn't work |
| 08:03.40 | darkbahamut | i have the file i downloaded from one of those sites i just dont know how to install it |
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| 08:03.47 | S3v3N | Hello. I have problem with debian 4.0 r1 base system/console mode (because during the setup I hadn't internet). I do not receive any DHCPOFFERS. In my interfaces config is primary network set like that: "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp". I have VDSL and Dynamic IP so I don't need any username or password to connect on internet. My home network is connected like that: modem -> utp cable to 8 port switch -> 1 slot in switch for that utp cabl |
| 08:04.35 | S3v3N | slots on switch, direct connect with modem and it doesn't work. |
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| 08:05.18 | hoxu | darkbahamut, hrmh, maybe you could get the unstable .deb from http://ftp.debian.org/pool/contrib/b/bcm43xx-fwcutter/ and see if you can install it with "dpkg -i", if you can't, then you may need to do a backport or something |
| 08:05.39 | hoxu | I'm having a slow morning x_x |
| 08:05.47 | osmosis | how do I setup snmpd.conf on hosts so I can use cacti? |
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| 08:06.22 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i have the file i downloaded from a site i didnt try it yet |
| 08:06.28 | hoxu | S3v3N, what came after "utp cabl" on your first line? :p |
| 08:06.33 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i was using aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 08:07.07 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i just started linux and know almost nothing about it so i dont know how to install |
| 08:07.09 | hoxu | darkbahamut, well, assuming you are on i386, you could wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/contrib/b/bcm43xx-fwcutter/bcm43xx-fwcutter_006-3_i386.deb && dpkg -i bcm43xx-fwcutter_006-3_i386.deb |
| 08:07.16 | S3v3N | hoxu: modem - utp cable to switch you mean that? |
| 08:07.48 | hoxu | S3v3N, your line was cut |
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| 08:08.21 | hoxu | S3v3N, so do you get dhcp offers with another computer without problems? |
| 08:08.30 | S3v3N | yes but i have win xp there |
| 08:08.39 | S3v3N | and i also tried on this computer on which iom installing debian now |
| 08:08.42 | S3v3N | and it worked |
| 08:08.49 | S3v3N | but only with debian i cannot get dhcpoffers |
| 08:09.04 | hoxu | hold on, it works on another debian, but not this one? |
| 08:09.27 | S3v3N | no, it worked on this same computer, because i tried before with win xp |
| 08:09.33 | hoxu | oh |
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| 08:10.04 | hoxu | S3v3N, tried seeing what tcpdump says when you run dhclient? |
| 08:10.20 | S3v3N | nope wait i'll try |
| 08:10.49 | S3v3N | i cannot see tcpdump when i write dhclient eth0... |
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| 08:13.31 | S3v3N | any other ideas? |
| 08:13.33 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i got an error with dpkg -i |
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| 08:13.57 | darkbahamut | hoxu: says no such file or directory |
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| 08:16.13 | hoxu | S3v3N, "tcpdump -ni eth0 ether broadcast" in one terminal and "dhclient eth0" in another shows nothing in tcpdump? |
| 08:16.33 | hoxu | darkbahamut, well, did you wget/download the file succesfully? |
| 08:17.04 | S3v3N | hoxu: no it doesn't show nothing about tcpdump |
| 08:17.20 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i used a web browser im pretty sure it downloaded successfully |
| 08:17.45 | hoxu | darkbahamut, you need to run "dpkg -i <filename>" in the directory where the you download .deb into |
| 08:17.57 | S3v3N | hoxu: only, listening on lpf/eth0..... sending on ..... sending on socket / fallback, then dhcpdiscover on eth0...... port 67 interval ... |
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| 08:18.04 | hoxu | darkbahamut, you could use the command I suggested above |
| 08:18.50 | hoxu | S3v3N, so you *do* see the request on tcpdump, but just no reply? |
| 08:18.50 | darkbahamut | hoxu: i did that and i even double checked |
| 08:19.00 | S3v3N | hoxu: yes no reply.. |
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| 08:19.50 | hoxu | S3v3N, do you have any other interfaces or just eth0 (ifconfig -a)? |
| 08:20.04 | hoxu | darkbahamut, obviously if it says "no such file", the file isn't in the same directory |
| 08:20.11 | S3v3N | hoxu: just one, and this one is on motherboard. |
| 08:20.43 | hoxu | ahh, I wonder if that could be the problem |
| 08:21.00 | S3v3N | hoxu: with network card on motherboard? |
| 08:21.04 | darkbahamut | hoxu: umm.. nvm i got it but i still get an error ill add to debian paste |
| 08:21.19 | S3v3N | hoxu: i think no, because i tried with different network cards, i have 2, i tried both and it's the same problem... |
| 08:21.41 | S3v3N | hoxu: look i'll upload you dhclient eth0 picture, because this im doing on other computer and i cannot copy that... |
| 08:21.58 | hoxu | S3v3N, I'm running low on ideas... |
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| 08:22.22 | darkbahamut | hoxu: http://paste.debian.net/42777 |
| 08:22.39 | S3v3N | hoxu: http://s3v3n.s3.ohost.de/dhclienteth0.JPG |
| 08:23.15 | hoxu | darkbahamut, ok, you need to either do a backport of the package or something else... |
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| 08:25.05 | hoxu | S3v3N, I'm afraid I don't have any ideas if you already tried with another NIC and there's nothing wrong with the cables/modem etc |
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| 08:25.21 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me how to copy folders to root w/ mv? |
| 08:25.44 | beolnix | exit |
| 08:26.01 | hoxu | !tell darkbahamut about easy sid backport |
| 08:26.19 | S3v3N | hoxu: i have no ideas too because it's very strange stuff... |
| 08:27.10 | hoxu | S3v3N, did you attach another network card in the box, reboot, and run dhclient on eth1 (or eth0, whatever the new card was in)? |
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| 08:27.36 | S3v3N | i tried on eth0 and eth1 |
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| 08:27.42 | jimmybgood | darkbahamut: if you're desperate, install apache, move the file wl_apsta.o to the directory /var/www and add the line "127.0.0.1 boredklink.googlepages.com" to /etc/hosts and try again |
| 08:27.42 | S3v3N | but i also checked which one is connected ifconfig -a |
| 08:28.00 | S3v3N | but one i tried to reinstall debian and i choose in setup the correct network card |
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| 08:28.27 | hoxu | darkbahamut, jimmybgood's idea may be easiest :p |
| 08:29.15 | frederic185 | will grep -r 80 search just the folder it is sitting in |
| 08:29.20 | frederic185 | or the whole filesystem |
| 08:29.44 | hoxu | frederic185, man grep and type in "/^ *-r" :P |
| 08:29.58 | osmosis | trying to setup cacti and snmpd. anyone tell me what this means ? http://dpaste.com/25278/ |
| 08:30.07 | darkbahamut | jimmybgood: ok will try |
| 08:30.08 | hoxu | frederic185, you need to specify "." if you want it to search current directory and beneath |
| 08:30.39 | bucky | i'm trying to make a deb with 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' but the root directory requires me to run ../configure <- two periods from a build directory, how do i get debian/rules to build from the build directory? |
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| 08:38.53 | darkbahamut | brb |
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| 08:41.35 | jair | guys I have some questions about the best way to use lvm on my system |
| 08:41.53 | jair | anyone here with good understanding of LVM2? |
| 08:42.03 | jair | I think that is what I am using. |
| 08:42.28 | jair | LVM version: 2.02.07 (2006-07-17) |
| 08:43.25 | jair | here is how it looks right now => http://paste.debian.net/42779 |
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| 08:44.29 | jimmybgood | root looks pretty tight |
| 08:44.37 | jair | what I am trying to understand is if I have three hds on my system, what will be the best way to utilize the space but also have the option of resize if is needed and recover info in case of a disaster |
| 08:44.45 | jair | jimmybgood: right |
| 08:45.39 | dbmoodb | ok use one for a back up |
| 08:45.45 | dbmoodb | use the other two in raid 0 |
| 08:46.04 | dbmoodb | i think that is called raid 10 but i don't remember |
| 08:46.38 | jair | jimmybgood: so if this were you: hda=40GB - sda=74GB and hdb= 250GB how will you layout the disks for your install of debian etch? |
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| 08:47.21 | jair | dbmoodb: I have also an externak drive 250GB for disk backup |
| 08:47.41 | jair | but I am trying to get the best of the space and also flexibility |
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| 08:47.55 | jair | normally if I have this three disks |
| 08:48.31 | jimmybgood | i'm a real minimalist. i like things simple |
| 08:48.33 | dbmoodb | sure |
| 08:48.43 | jair | I should create a partition "100MB" just for boot (no lvm) right |
| 08:48.46 | dbmoodb | one for /home one for /usr and one for the rest |
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| 08:49.17 | jair | but what I hate is that "/" root is getting full now :( |
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| 08:49.40 | jair | that happened because I did not gave enough space to "/" |
| 08:49.42 | jair | :( |
| 08:49.54 | jimmybgood | but can't you resize it? |
| 08:50.01 | jair | there is no way i can resize it without loose the data? |
| 08:50.08 | dbmoodb | .... dd |
| 08:50.23 | jair | jimmybgood: I am not sure,,, that is why I am asking here |
| 08:50.42 | nvz | jair: I hate when my data gets loose |
| 08:50.49 | jair | I think I have two vg on my system |
| 08:51.37 | jair | http://paste.debian.net/42781 |
| 08:51.45 | nvz | tar it up and make it tight |
| 08:51.53 | jair | ? |
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| 08:52.07 | nvz | do I have to spell it out? |
| 08:52.27 | jair | nvz: you mean back up the data? |
| 08:52.33 | nvz | there you go |
| 08:52.45 | jair | yes, I will need to do that |
| 08:52.47 | nvz | whose ever heard that idea before |
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| 08:53.08 | jair | yes i think i will back up the data and then start testing |
| 08:53.11 | dbmoodb | "dd" |
| 08:53.12 | dbmoodb | ~dd |
| 08:53.13 | apt | it has been said that dd is `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info |
| 08:53.15 | dbmoodb | !dd |
| 08:53.15 | dpkg | from memory, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 08:53.28 | dbmoodb | ops didn't know they were identical |
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| 08:53.38 | nvz | I've been sitting here trying to figure out a way to cook up a cheap embedded desktop that can boot linux in like >10 sec |
| 08:53.50 | jair | hmm |
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| 08:54.22 | patrakov | how to search for bugs that I added information to? |
| 08:54.27 | nvz | seems cheap means using regular ia32 or ia64 hardware but fast means using expensive RISC hardware |
| 08:54.39 | patrakov | I want to change my e-mail address for all my bugs |
| 08:54.52 | nvz | either way CF drives are falling in price and dual CF to IDE adapters are cheap |
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| 08:56.15 | nvz | oh well thats neither here nor there right now |
| 08:57.02 | nvz | either that or at least a cheap ARM based system that could boot off CF trying to cram firmware onto a SLUG or WRT box is a PITA |
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| 08:57.36 | nvz | too easy to brick the things and too hard to fix |
| 08:59.04 | hoxu | nvz, I think you just toasted your annual quota of abbreviations |
| 08:59.25 | nvz | since when is there an annual quota? |
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| 08:59.39 | nvz | good thing its mid november |
| 09:00.19 | S3v3N | anybody with a LOT of experience at debian, here? |
| 09:00.25 | nvz | nope |
| 09:00.33 | nvz | people with debian experience got lives |
| 09:00.42 | nvz | they don't sit around on debian in #debian like we do |
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| 09:01.18 | dbmoodb | ahahahaha |
| 09:01.24 | S3v3N | lol |
| 09:01.26 | dbmoodb | nar they are in debian ops |
| 09:01.27 | nvz | where the hell else would you expect to find debian expierienced people? |
| 09:01.34 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.48 | S3v3N | no guys i have serious problem |
| 09:02.01 | cast | and you need serious help? |
| 09:02.03 | Deltantor | Whats wrong S3v3N? |
| 09:02.05 | nvz | me too its sunday and I am on workspace 1.. why.. |
| 09:02.07 | S3v3N | i'll paste again the problem |
| 09:02.10 | S3v3N | lol nvz |
| 09:02.16 | S3v3N | Hello. I have problem with debian 4.0 r1 base system/console mode (because during the setup I hadn't internet). I do not receive any DHCPOFFERS. In my interfaces config is primary network set like that: "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp". I have VDSL and Dynamic IP so I don't need any username or password to connect on internet. My home network is connected like that: modem -> utp cable to 8 port switch -> 1 slot in switch for that utp cabl |
| 09:02.26 | S3v3N | did you get the whole text? |
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| 09:02.42 | nvz | I should write a cron script to make my terminal fade more when its sunday |
| 09:03.27 | cast | S3v3N: you have one or two nics? and no, it didn't all paste |
| 09:03.31 | dbmoodb | ah so |
| 09:03.38 | S3v3N | where it end |
| 09:03.45 | dbmoodb | what is your problem - no ne t? |
| 09:04.04 | S3v3N | yes |
| 09:04.09 | S3v3N | cast: i have one nic, on motherboard |
| 09:04.43 | S3v3N | i have uploaded the picture before what happen when i write dhclient eth0 |
| 09:04.44 | dbmoodb | and |
| 09:04.52 | S3v3N | http://s3v3n.s3.ohost.de/dhclienteth0.JPG |
| 09:04.56 | S3v3N | maybe it helps |
| 09:05.10 | dbmoodb | well what about through networking manager - should make it easier |
| 09:05.11 | nvz | maybe |
| 09:05.17 | dbmoodb | oh did you kill that file ? |
| 09:05.20 | nvz | if robots had eyes |
| 09:05.23 | cast | if dhcp doesn't work then use static imho |
| 09:05.36 | dbmoodb | nar - the pic shows that he should kill the file |
| 09:05.44 | dbmoodb | have you tried eth1 ? |
| 09:05.47 | S3v3N | how can i use static if i have dynamic ip... |
| 09:05.55 | S3v3N | eth1, i don't have 2 nics, only one |
| 09:05.56 | dbmoodb | my first ethernet thing is a on eth1 |
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| 09:06.12 | hoxu | cast, you know, the "dynamic" part in DHCP is there for a reason :P |
| 09:06.17 | nvz | sounds like fuzzy logic at play |
| 09:06.18 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 09:06.28 | dbmoodb | wait is your modem doing the login ? |
| 09:06.42 | S3v3N | no |
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| 09:07.00 | nvz | fuzzy wuzzy wasn't so fuzzy was he? |
| 09:07.08 | hoxu | you need to address people, it makes it easier to see who is speaking to who :p |
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| 09:07.23 | dbmood1 | so how are you logging in then ? |
| 09:07.30 | S3v3N | to modem? |
| 09:07.33 | dbmood1 | no to your isp |
| 09:07.34 | nvz | I'm speaking to the caucus |
| 09:07.37 | cast | so you have computer -> 8 port switch -> man . i have NFI, i was expecting computers -> switch -> router -> internet |
| 09:07.40 | S3v3N | i dont, as i said i have vdsl |
| 09:08.03 | ness | Hi, what package do I have to install to get a para-virtualized linux kernel to run on xen? I.e. what happened to linux-image-xen? I'm running debian testing on amd64. |
| 09:08.04 | dbmood1 | vdsl ? |
| 09:08.08 | dbmood1 | so no login ... |
| 09:08.14 | hoxu | !vdsl |
| 09:08.14 | dpkg | vdsl is, like, Very high-speed DSL: 13 mbps down, 640 kbps up within 4,500ft; 52 down, 2.3 mbps up within 1,000ft, or "Very high bit-rate Digital Subscriber Line" |
| 09:08.23 | dbmood1 | sure - lol 13 mbps down |
| 09:08.29 | dbmood1 | ~adsl2+ |
| 09:08.35 | dbmood1 | !adsl2 |
| 09:08.41 | dbmood1 | no.... |
| 09:08.46 | dbmood1 | dsl2 |
| 09:08.50 | dbmood1 | oh well |
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| 09:09.11 | dbmood1 | so you are connected to your switch to the modem to the internet |
| 09:09.18 | dbmood1 | so there is no nat ? |
| 09:09.34 | dbmood1 | - i meant is the modem a router |
| 09:09.46 | hoxu | his XP box managed to get DHCP IP |
| 09:10.03 | dbmood1 | well good for xp |
| 09:10.10 | dbmood1 | but try power cycling |
| 09:10.15 | dbmood1 | your modem |
| 09:10.28 | dbmood1 | tis seeming to me that his getting an ip from his modem ? |
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| 09:12.04 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 09:12.04 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:12.16 | dbmood1 | !annoy dbmoodb |
| 09:12.23 | cast | ness: stable, i'd grab xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64, kernel package it depends on is xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 [obv. don't use amd64 if you don't use amd64] |
| 09:12.27 | dbmood1 | eh |
| 09:12.38 | hoxu | dbmood1, looks like dpkg does not like you |
| 09:12.39 | cast | ness: eh, bad paste, linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 09:12.43 | hoxu | !penixstrike dbmood1 |
| 09:12.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dbmood1 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:12.48 | dbmood1 | dpkg is going mad |
| 09:12.56 | S3v3N | dbmood1: modem is router |
| 09:12.58 | dbmood1 | ops |
| 09:13.03 | dbmood1 | oh so what is the ip |
| 09:13.06 | dbmood1 | just set it up manually |
| 09:13.08 | S3v3N | dbmood1: but i cannot connect to modem |
| 09:13.14 | dbmood1 | set it manually ? |
| 09:13.15 | S3v3N | modem just have 4 slots |
| 09:13.19 | dbmood1 | what ? |
| 09:13.23 | cemc | could i install debian etch on a 128mb usb stick ? |
| 09:13.25 | S3v3N | 4 slots?... |
| 09:13.28 | dbmood1 | you need to be on one of those slots your kidding me |
| 09:13.36 | S3v3N | yes i am |
| 09:13.38 | cast | cemc: it's big enough, if that's your question |
| 09:13.40 | S3v3N | im on first one |
| 09:13.44 | S3v3N | on second is ip telephone |
| 09:13.47 | dbmood1 | bs - so your saying you need to be sitting on what slot to use it |
| 09:13.59 | dbmood1 | lol - thought so |
| 09:14.09 | dbmood1 | so your plugged in ... don't see your problem set your ip manually |
| 09:14.15 | dbmood1 | static ip |
| 09:14.22 | dbmood1 | !static |
| 09:14.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, static is a stud |
| 09:14.23 | S3v3N | if i have dynamic ip ?!?! |
| 09:14.28 | dbmood1 | for ? |
| 09:14.33 | cemc | cast: ye |
| 09:14.33 | dbmood1 | your modem has the dynamic ip |
| 09:14.34 | S3v3N | how can i set up static ip then? |
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| 09:14.39 | dbmood1 | like i said |
| 09:14.41 | S3v3N | ok so |
| 09:14.44 | dbmood1 | i think your modem has the ip |
| 09:14.47 | S3v3N | auto eth0, iface eth0 inet static ? |
| 09:14.51 | dbmood1 | what ip does your xp box say it has ? |
| 09:14.54 | S3v3N | then i run ifdown and ifup again? |
| 09:15.03 | dbmood1 | mmm- see previous |
| 09:15.06 | liable | !tell S3v3N -about interfaces |
| 09:15.08 | Schalken | When updating the packages on my testing box, should i use aptitude upgrade or aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 09:15.28 | cast | cemc: once it's installed you can go through and rm -r things you don't muchneed, like /usr/share/doc is 427MB for my desktop |
| 09:15.43 | Decepticon__ | what does gnome desktop do when it auto detects a new hdd plugin, and mounting of the partition to a folder, and creating a icon on the desktop ... in terms of cli commands? |
| 09:15.47 | dbmood1 | sure i prefer to rm -rf * / |
| 09:15.53 | dbmood1 | frees up lots of space |
| 09:15.59 | dbmood1 | just don't run it it deletes most things |
| 09:16.22 | dbmood1 | cast why not apt-get remove doc ? |
| 09:16.52 | Decepticon__ | i want to be able to do the above without having to startx... |
| 09:17.10 | ness | cast: "Package xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:17.10 | ness | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 09:17.10 | ness | is only available from another source", the same for linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 09:17.16 | dbmood1 | ah dmesg - finds the address no and then mounts it ... |
| 09:17.22 | cast | dbmood1: well, say if i installed irssi, it would create /usr/share/doc/irssi, that's just irssi and not irssi-doc, non-doc packages fill up /usr/share/doc/ |
| 09:17.36 | dbmood1 | sure cast but the doc is there for a reason |
| 09:17.39 | dbmood1 | !doc |
| 09:17.40 | dpkg | somebody said doc was ...files are now stored under /usr/share/doc, or see documentation, or apt-cache search -- "-doc$" |
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| 09:18.04 | cast | dbmood1: so how would removing a -doc package get rid of my irssi docs? |
| 09:18.10 | dbmood1 | well it might |
| 09:18.31 | dbmood1 | if the doc file is a seperate deb or something |
| 09:18.39 | cast | i don't know if the base install has any -doc packages, i didn't expect it to but it could |
| 09:19.27 | liable | it would |
| 09:19.27 | liable | pretty much every package would have at least a changelog and such |
| 09:19.27 | liable | well, most |
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| 09:19.43 | cast | liable: yes, but those aren't included in a -doc package are they ;P |
| 09:19.52 | liable | cast: nope |
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| 09:20.20 | valdyn | -doc packages changelog would be in /usr/share/doc/package-doc/ |
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| 09:21.05 | AsuSbr | sup guys, can i install debian in this computer -> P2 64mb 10Gb ? |
| 09:21.11 | dbmood1 | why not ? |
| 09:21.13 | valdyn | AsuSbr: yes |
| 09:21.16 | AsuSbr | hm |
| 09:21.18 | AsuSbr | k |
| 09:21.20 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:21.23 | ringo999 | how do i start the installation menu from the shell again? dpkg-reconfigure ...? I want the menu part where it suggests apt sources... |
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| 09:21.37 | cast | AsuSbr: definitely. it'll run good. just don't select desktop environment when installing |
| 09:21.38 | AsuSbr | and what u think |
| 09:21.39 | AsuSbr | ? |
| 09:21.49 | AsuSbr | k |
| 09:21.54 | techrush | AsuSbr, "debian" will install and run quite easily but getting a desktop up might be a challenge |
| 09:22.03 | liable | ringo999: you cant use that bit, its actually part of the installer now |
| 09:22.04 | AsuSbr | eheh i know |
| 09:22.16 | liable | ringo999: edit the file manually |
| 09:22.37 | AsuSbr | nop, i want to learn about , servers, mail servers , etcs |
| 09:22.45 | ringo999 | liable: ok, but where do find source adresses? |
| 09:22.51 | cast | AsuSbr: ahh. you don't need any gui for that :) |
| 09:22.56 | liable | !mirrors |
| 09:22.56 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 09:23.00 | AsuSbr | ^^ |
| 09:23.10 | AsuSbr | where can i find this iso? |
| 09:23.28 | wols | ringo999: not possible |
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| 09:23.30 | AsuSbr | btw, i dont know too much, im noob in linux so |
| 09:23.32 | wols | !tell ringo999 about sources.list |
| 09:23.35 | AsuSbr | is free? |
| 09:23.36 | cast | AsuSbr: well, to start your learning, let me introduce you to http://debian.org! go look there |
| 09:23.44 | AsuSbr | thx dude |
| 09:23.45 | AsuSbr | ;) |
| 09:24.00 | AsuSbr | for the attention |
| 09:24.08 | nvz | ringo999: in synaptic you can use the repositories dialog or you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually |
| 09:24.16 | nvz | ringo999: you need to update afterwards |
| 09:24.32 | cast | AsuSbr: grab the netinstall if you have broadband i suggest |
| 09:24.40 | AsuSbr | hm |
| 09:25.08 | AsuSbr | k |
| 09:25.16 | cast | 'Network install' i mean |
| 09:25.55 | tt | Whats the easiest way to enable wpa2 in debian? |
| 09:27.11 | liable | tt: as a client? |
| 09:27.23 | dbmood1 | networking manager |
| 09:27.24 | AsuSbr | thx |
| 09:27.31 | dbmood1 | you already have it |
| 09:27.45 | dbmood1 | click on the networking symbol thing in gnome |
| 09:27.56 | tt | dbmood1: Me? |
| 09:27.58 | liable | dbmood1: htf do you know what he has? |
| 09:28.17 | tt | Im using larswm/openbox. No gnome here. |
| 09:28.30 | Deltantor | dbmood1, you fail it :P |
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| 09:28.56 | liable | tt: wpa-supp will just use it if your ap is using wpa2 |
| 09:28.59 | streuner | His crystal-thingie is in low stat, keep that in mind! |
| 09:29.00 | dbmood1 | eh |
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| 09:29.24 | dbmood1 | oh |
| 09:29.25 | dbmood1 | well then |
| 09:29.35 | dbmood1 | you need wpa-supplicant no ? |
| 09:29.39 | dbmood1 | and that is not as easy |
| 09:29.43 | tt | liable: I've googled for hours for a solution with wpa-supplicant. But I cant find sh*t. |
| 09:29.49 | dbmood1 | you can do it |
| 09:29.55 | dbmood1 | got it installed ? |
| 09:29.58 | liable | tt: its not a config option, it just does it |
| 09:30.14 | tt | wpa-s is installed |
| 09:30.15 | dbmood1 | !wpa |
| 09:30.15 | dpkg | [wpa] Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 09:30.45 | dbmoodb | :) |
| 09:31.10 | hoxu | don't use WPA, go for this -> http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
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| 09:31.15 | liable | tt: what are you actually having trouble with? it wont connect at all? you cant work out your config file? |
| 09:31.29 | dbmoodb | hoxu - not fun |
| 09:31.56 | tt | liable: I have no idea where to start. |
| 09:32.02 | tt | liable: Thats the problem. |
| 09:32.31 | liable | tt: the wpasupp docs is a great start, they are quite good, and have examples.. /usr/share/doc |
| 09:32.37 | xingu | anyone know offhand if glibc2.7 is bound for sid? I ask because I have an (external) repo who's plonker of a maintainer has just gone and rebased his sid packages against it |
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| 09:33.22 | dbmoodb | mmmm just copy the wpa set up in the interfaces config file on your other computer if you can't do it |
| 09:33.23 | liable | xingu: is it in exp? where did he get it.. |
| 09:33.25 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 09:34.03 | tt | liable: But where do I enter the config for wpa-s? It seemes like It have been integrated with /etc/network/interfaces, atleast some pages say. |
| 09:34.21 | liable | tt: just create the conf file |
| 09:34.24 | xingu | liable: nfi, it's a fuckup beginning to end; his only glibc2.6 packages surviving depend on sid's libwnck, and of the four available evils, "stay put until glibc2.7 hit sid" is the least impact to me |
| 09:34.34 | tt | liable: Any special name/place? |
| 09:34.44 | xingu | s/sid/lenny/ |
| 09:34.44 | dbmoodb | interfaces - should already exist |
| 09:34.49 | liable | tt: you *can* use it in interfaces, but if you have more than one ap you use, then you want a conf file |
| 09:34.54 | xingu | lenny's libwnck that is |
| 09:35.15 | liable | tt: /etc/wpasupplicant.conf |
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| 09:35.28 | dbmoodb | but ... sure he is not going to move around with this box is he ? |
| 09:35.52 | liable | tt: it has a dir in /etc that you can place the config file inside, but it matters not what its called or where it is |
| 09:36.08 | dbmoodb | ah get networking manager |
| 09:36.13 | dbmoodb | makes it so much easier |
| 09:36.14 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 09:36.36 | liable | sigh |
| 09:36.47 | xingu | liable: I *think*, that he is personally using a non-debian, .deb-based riceboy dist; and that his own upstream has taken glibc2.7 into their repo; but I don't really want to get close enough to the source of the stench to find out what it's made of, if you understand |
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| 09:37.25 | tt | liable: File created. Is this the info I should enter: http://andete.blogspot.com/2007/01/debian-wifi-wpa-supplicant-and.html (Top post) |
| 09:37.28 | liable | xingu: mmhmm, have fun with that one :) |
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| 09:37.46 | xingu | liable: least-worst #2, is rebuild all the packages against sid-current |
| 09:37.49 | xingu | liable: :) |
| 09:38.05 | dbmoodb | that would suck |
| 09:38.15 | liable | tt: please at least read the docs i mentioned before, once you have, i'll gladly point you in the right direction if you need the help |
| 09:38.44 | tt | liable: Thanks. I did read them but It was a long time ago. Thanks for the help I'll check back if I encounter more problems. |
| 09:39.02 | liable | np |
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| 09:49.02 | cafuego | what? |
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| 09:51.19 | tt | liable: A question, my router has WPA2-Person and Enterprise. What option should I use in my wpa-s to specify this? wpa2-psk for personal? And for enterprise? |
| 09:51.38 | bytekode | psk = pre-shared key |
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| 09:51.45 | liable | tt: ya, wpa-psk for personal |
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| 09:52.24 | tt | liable: Lets say I do enter the config in /etc/wpa-su... Do I need to do anything more before ifupdown to connect to the network? |
| 09:53.22 | liable | tt: if you want it to all work from ifup/down, you need to edit your interfaces file too. thats also covered in the docs. you may want to just try running it from the cli to see if it works first |
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| 09:53.47 | tt | liable: And how do I run it from cli? |
| 09:55.07 | liable | tt: wpa_supplicant -i <iface> -c /etc/wpasupplicant.conf (add a -dd in there for extra output) |
| 09:55.19 | tt | liable: Thanks |
| 09:55.44 | liable | then you will need to run dhclient if you get a dhcp ip |
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| 09:59.05 | s4xxon | hello, when i plug in my usb flash on debian and try to enter the directory i get the error : wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error... |
| 09:59.27 | s4xxon | when i do a pmount /dev/sda1 it works without a problem, but i dont want to get every time to console and type it so that it will mount my flash |
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| 10:00.16 | s4xxon | is there maybe a package i could be missing ? |
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| 10:02.09 | liable | s4xxon: sounds like whatever gui app is mounting it is giving it wrong options |
| 10:02.40 | s4xxon | the strange thing is that this error appearead after a fresh installation. |
| 10:03.00 | s4xxon | and i did just a base kde installation |
| 10:03.09 | s4xxon | what could i check for ? |
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| 10:04.50 | s4xxon | the flash is formated as fat |
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| 10:05.14 | liable | kde's automount has been a bit crap for a while, i dunno where this may be set or where you would start to debug it, try a kde channel |
| 10:05.48 | s4xxon | hm let me ask in kde if they know something |
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| 10:09.03 | s4xxon | fdisk shows me: /dev/sda1 * 1 7624 1951728 b W95 FAT32 |
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| 10:11.07 | xingu | sometimes I love unix; ipw3945 microcode just shat itself "ipw3945: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting.", drive did its nana "ipw3945: Can't stop Rx DMA.", but with a bit of care taken to unpick the networking stack, dropped the driver out, then used the hw kill switch to kick the peripheral, then put it all back together again - all without rebooting. :) |
| 10:11.14 | petterah | hello ppl :) anybody know what the tasksel "Standard system" installs, or how to find out, without actually installing it? |
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| 10:14.26 | pocukrani | !downgrade |
| 10:14.26 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 10:15.37 | s4xxon | pocukrani do a dpkg -i <packagename> it may work |
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| 10:15.50 | s4xxon | i did that yesterday with gcc to install build some modules |
| 10:16.23 | pocukrani | i have think to downgrade from etch to sarge |
| 10:16.36 | s4xxon | ohh. that could be risky :) |
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| 10:17.12 | pocukrani | yes |
| 10:17.13 | pocukrani | :> |
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| 10:18.24 | frederick85 | anybody know how I can use ipw2200 to get data from another access point and distribute it to others as an access point in combination |
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| 10:18.47 | liable | does 2200 do ap mode? |
| 10:19.33 | frederick85 | yes but I need an extra driver I think |
| 10:19.38 | frederick85 | !ipw2200-ap |
| 10:19.50 | liable | frederick85: check in your firmware dir |
| 10:20.06 | liable | frederick85: even though, i dont think you can make it act as a repeater |
| 10:20.08 | frederick85 | liable: /lib/firmware |
| 10:20.09 | frederick85 | ? |
| 10:20.18 | liable | ya |
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| 10:20.19 | frederick85 | oh ok |
| 10:20.32 | frederick85 | I need to somehow manage individual computers downloads |
| 10:20.39 | frederick85 | to prevent domestic disputes |
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| 10:20.57 | liable | heh |
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| 10:28.17 | s4xxon | fixed . i added : /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash vfat noauto,users,rw,umask=0 0 0 on fstab , no i dont need if noauto and umask=0 is needed |
| 10:28.52 | liable | s4xxon: umask=000 for the equivalent of 777 |
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| 10:29.15 | s4xxon | so umask=0 is equivalent to umask=000 ? |
| 10:29.31 | liable | nope, i dont think its actually valid |
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| 10:31.13 | xingu | well then, moment of truth I guess. |
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| 10:32.14 | webczat | hi |
| 10:32.29 | mutante | i watch apache access.log , see access that i dont want from spammer scripts, type "iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -s 212.158.167.0/255.255.255.0" ,ok, no error, then watch the logfile again and still connects from 212.158.167.109, 212.158.167.110, 212.158.167.111 ... confused |
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| 10:33.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt -j DROP have to come last? also you could try with -v for verbose iptables output |
| 10:33.17 | RYsh | How should I tell debian that my hardware clocks are set to local time ? |
| 10:33.32 | garo | A file with -r-sr-x--- can only be executed by the owner and the group of that file, and if it's executed by the group it permissions are raised to that of the owner, right ? |
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| 10:33.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | RYsh, look in /etc/default/rcS |
| 10:33.56 | RYsh | Kamping_Kaiser, ok |
| 10:34.21 | mutante | Kamping_Kaiser: -j at the end , and added -v, gives me DROP 0 opt -- in * out * 212.158.167.0/24 -> 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 10:34.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | garo, i *think* so. not sure sorry |
| 10:34.35 | RYsh | Kamping_Kaiser, UTC=no ? |
| 10:34.37 | mutante | Kamping_Kaiser: tail -f access.log, still 212.158.167.119 , 212.158.167.125 arg |
| 10:34.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | RYsh, looks right |
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| 10:35.01 | garo | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, thanks anyway ! |
| 10:35.04 | reber | hi all. Are there any ubuntu backports for debian ? |
| 10:35.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | reber, wtf? |
| 10:35.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | garo, sorry |
| 10:35.49 | garo | sorry for what ? you helped me :) |
| 10:35.49 | reber | wtf ? |
| 10:36.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | mutante, i'm not all that familar with iptables, "it looks wrong" doesnt help a lot i suspect *heh* |
| 10:36.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | garo, not being much help |
| 10:36.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | reber, yes. what the ... heck. |
| 10:36.45 | garo | Well i also tought so, and also wasn't sure but now i'm a bit more sure of it :) |
| 10:37.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | garo, you might also try a more generic ##linux type channel (or hang around here for someone who knows :)) |
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| 10:38.12 | garo | i did and they told me we were right :) |
| 10:38.19 | reber | Kamping_Kaiser, ok, i could use .deb from ubuntu directly (for some packages only), i wonder if there is a particuliar debian repository (like marillat or something equivalent) that adds ubuntu packages who doesn't exists in debian and who are *in* ubuntu. |
| 10:38.32 | xingu | hmm, they're not kidding about 169.04 on series-7 cards |
| 10:38.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | reber, not that i know of. |
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| 10:39.28 | reber | wtf for me is *why* ubuntu, but that's another (old) story :/ |
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| 10:40.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | :\ i know of a team working to try and get ubuntu specific packages up into debian, but not sure how they are with taht |
| 10:40.19 | reber | Kamping_Kaiser, okay |
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| 10:41.33 | s4xxon | strange on a debian maschine i installed yesterday my usb flash mounted automaticaly , on my system i had to enter a line in fstab . wonder why is that happening |
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| 10:42.59 | cemc | what do i have to install to get syntax highlighting in vi ? i say vim-full, but that wants to install like 30 packages, gnome stuff and others |
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| 10:43.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | cemc, 'vim' |
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| 10:45.50 | cemc | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, that worked |
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| 10:46.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | cemc, np |
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| 10:47.30 | cemc | here's another one: can i tell apt-get to confirm every install with a y/n question ? |
| 10:47.56 | cbr | http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html |
| 10:47.58 | cbr | is this a problem? |
| 10:48.07 | cbr | i get the warning on shutdown |
| 10:48.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | cemc, every package? |
| 10:49.20 | cemc | Kamping_Kaiser: nope, but when i install a package which has no deps, it doesn't ask anything, just installs it. i want it to ask me, even if it's a single package |
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| 10:49.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | cemc, not sure, you'll have to check the man page |
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| 10:52.57 | s4xxon | i got a problem with fstab. i added a line for my usb flash "/dev/sda1 /media/usbflash vfat noauto,users,rw,umask=0 0 0" . now when i umount it ,. and plug in my external hdd (which is ntfs and read only access) , it uses also the /dev/sda1 , and uses the same line (as the usb flash) of fstab. with a result not be able to mount it. how could this be fixed |
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| 10:54.07 | liable | a udev rule |
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| 10:55.12 | liable | trying to get your kde to work properly is probably a better idea though |
| 10:55.55 | s4xxon | wish i know how... |
| 10:56.03 | s4xxon | i need some basic help to know where and what to search for |
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| 10:57.02 | yang | I am wondering how can I fsck a drive ? Must I reboot with the rescue CD or is there some sequence in the bootup procedure which doesn't mount the drive automatically |
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| 10:58.49 | liable | yang: touch /forcefsck and reboot |
| 10:59.29 | yang | liable: does a log of fsck exists somewhere, where its said when it was last fsck-ed |
| 10:59.49 | liable | yang: /var/log/fsck/ |
| 10:59.58 | yang | thanks |
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| 11:01.07 | liable | SEcki: hal and dbus seem to be what kde uses, check for bugs on those |
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| 11:03.17 | s4xxon | all that sounds good. but u know i am not a developer to fix a bug |
| 11:03.59 | liable | yes, but there may be a workaround available.. |
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| 11:05.02 | s4xxon | so should i search for hal or udev on the net |
| 11:05.21 | ness | hi, I still cannot find out how to install a para-virtualized linux kernel.. is there really no package for a xen-ready linux kernel? |
| 11:05.31 | liable | hal and dbus on bugs.debian.org |
| 11:05.31 | petemc | there is in etch |
| 11:05.55 | ness | But I'm running lenny |
| 11:06.11 | petemc | then you'll need to build your own kernel |
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| 11:08.29 | peyj | hello |
| 11:08.31 | s4xxon | the bug exists in the website you just gave me but no solution... |
| 11:08.36 | nvz | !ede |
| 11:08.51 | ness | petemc: It isn't possible to install the one from etch? |
| 11:09.23 | petemc | ness: im not sure, i dont use testing |
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| 11:09.34 | peyj | I'm using openbox, but want to have a panel. When I used arch linux I remember a panel called 'tint' but the package tint in apt is a commandline tetris game... >.< |
| 11:09.56 | peyj | anyone with a idea how to get the tint panel in debian? |
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| 11:10.19 | peyj | sorry for my bad english :( |
| 11:10.29 | mooper | has anyone found belking routers to be utterly shite? |
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| 11:11.47 | peyj | nvm, I found it |
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| 11:15.49 | ness | I probably won't break anything installing a stable kernel on testing? (Except that maybe there will be interface clashes, so I should say "nothing that cannot be fixed by booting into the testing kernel") |
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| 11:16.22 | kdeuser^ | hello |
| 11:16.24 | peyj | ~$ tint |
| 11:16.25 | peyj | tint: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by tint) |
| 11:16.28 | peyj | what to do? |
| 11:16.30 | peyj | :( |
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| 11:16.45 | liable | ness: cant hurt to try, you can always boot the old one if it fails |
| 11:16.46 | cammoblammo | \quit "Toodily doodily neighbourinos!" |
| 11:16.48 | daccle | ness: you should use the debian tools to build it |
| 11:16.53 | xlotlu | apt keeps bugging me every now and then about invalid signature for the etch key, although it's installed -- that normal? |
| 11:16.55 | Eulex | peyj, where did you get that binary? |
| 11:17.32 | peyj | Eulex, http://code.google.com/p/ttm/ official site for tint, but it's a dead project |
| 11:17.44 | peyj | but it works fine in archlinux |
| 11:17.46 | Eulex | peyj, get the source and compile it. |
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| 11:18.00 | peyj | Eulex, hmm, ok... |
| 11:18.04 | Eulex | peyj, debian etch has got an older glibc than that binary needs. |
| 11:18.21 | peyj | older? |
| 11:18.23 | Eulex | peyj, recompiling it for your glibc will make it work, though. |
| 11:18.24 | peyj | hmm, ok |
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| 11:18.29 | ness | daccle: ok, I'll try that if it does not work or breaks in future. |
| 11:18.35 | Eulex | peyj, yes, they compiled it against a newer one. |
| 11:18.44 | peyj | ok, thnx |
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| 11:21.21 | peyj | Eulex, Iget this when doing make: |
| 11:21.30 | peyj | /bin/sh: pkg-config: command not found |
| 11:21.30 | peyj | /bin/sh: cc: command not found |
| 11:21.30 | peyj | make: *** [tint] Error 127 |
| 11:21.50 | peyj | should I just apt-get pkg-config and cc, then? |
| 11:21.54 | liable | !b-e peyj |
| 11:21.54 | dpkg | peyj: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 11:22.03 | peyj | ok, thanx |
| 11:22.17 | valdyn | !info libc6 etch |
| 11:22.27 | Eulex | 2.3.6, iirc |
| 11:24.08 | valdyn | peyj: its probably just linked ugly, maybe you can work around this by LD_PRELOADING a patched copy of your etch libc6.so |
| 11:24.29 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 11:24.36 | peyj | ... :S |
| 11:24.55 | peyj | well, I'll just keep on trying to build the svn.. :P |
| 11:25.15 | peyj | but make just gives me a hell lot of errors... >.< |
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| 11:26.56 | ness | thanks guys, it works! |
| 11:27.02 | daccle | ;-) |
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| 11:28.29 | peyj | valdyn and/or Eulex : http://pastebin.com/d7669e8f9 |
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| 11:32.40 | liable | you need libX11-dev and pkg-config for a start |
| 11:32.55 | peyj | liable, ok.. |
| 11:34.05 | peyj | liable, done that, no change |
| 11:34.44 | liable | peyj: it would have changed some.. make sure its not saying it cant find files up the top of the output |
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| 11:35.10 | liable | peyj: /msg dpkg search to find the packages that own those files |
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| 11:37.07 | peyj | liable, ok |
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| 11:37.53 | peyj | !info libc6 lenny |
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| 11:39.53 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
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| 11:49.35 | debian | I need Itunes, and normal musik player. |
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| 11:50.40 | debian | Can I get itunes and windows musik? |
| 11:51.14 | petemc | no |
| 11:52.36 | debian | Why not? Ubuntu has it! |
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| 11:52.46 | jelly-home | debian: itunes can't be in debian. commercial crossover office might support it |
| 11:52.58 | azeem | he wants itunes music, not itunes |
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| 11:53.18 | jelly-home | oh. what is "itunes music"? |
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| 11:56.41 | debian | How do I get higher sound ? |
| 11:56.45 | debian | In kde? |
| 11:57.01 | pettern | im running debian in vmware so im trying to make the installation as small and fast as possible without loosing any important features. right now im using xfce without a DM. Im using prelinking, deborphan and im keeping the system as simple as possible. Any suggestions to other things that could help? |
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| 11:58.44 | petemc | debian: what is windows musik? |
| 11:59.09 | hardcampa | debian: run kmix and fool around with the PCM level, that should be easy enough |
| 11:59.29 | hardcampa | then you also get a handy volume control |
| 11:59.58 | jelly-home | pettern: what are the important features? do you need X? |
| 12:01.24 | liable | !qotd2 |
| 12:01.25 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 12:01.47 | liable | doh, wrong qotd |
| 12:02.07 | pettern | jelly, yes i need x |
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| 12:02.29 | pettern | jelly-home, |
| 12:02.44 | jelly-home | yeah, I heard you |
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| 12:03.47 | cast | surely apt will never reboot your system? |
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| 12:05.53 | cmanns | hmm how'd I rsync /home/baggie/bagthat/*.tar from remote server to /home/bagthat on new server :3 (never used rsync before) |
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| 12:06.27 | cmanns | looks like rsync /home/baggie/bagthat/*.tar root@host:/home/bagthat |
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| 12:07.02 | liable | if its a tar file, scp will do, but anyway, rsync uses pretty muchthe same syntax |
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| 12:09.00 | cmanns | I've never used either |
| 12:09.11 | cmanns | I'm looking at the man page just looks very confusing ^_^ |
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| 12:09.24 | Ovi | hi |
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| 12:09.51 | cmanns | hi |
| 12:09.58 | Ovi | I've been searching on the net for thus prb but it didn't worked |
| 12:10.06 | Ovi | about changing my keyboard layout |
| 12:10.23 | liable | !keymap |
| 12:10.23 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 12:10.26 | Ovi | I tryed editing xorg.conf , setxkbmap |
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| 12:10.49 | Ovi | I did ran dpkg-reconfigure console-data , but nothing |
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| 12:11.32 | yos87 | hi |
| 12:11.33 | yos87 | hHi |
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| 12:12.41 | Ovi | hi there |
| 12:12.45 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:13.08 | yos87 | I have question, I access my pc through putty, and I want Ktorrent to run on that pc I accessed, when I run ktorrent it say can't determin display!, how to run it ? |
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| 12:13.21 | martin_ | Have anyone of you run "I-Doser" in wine? |
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| 12:15.03 | cmanns | martin_, nope but I-Doser is nice :3 |
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| 12:15.38 | Torgo | I'm trying to boot Sarge floppies on an old thinkpad. "floppy=thinkpad" is listed in the options, but doesn't work. (Seems to work on Woody just fine though.) |
| 12:15.43 | cmanns | Does, rsync -v root@bagthatpic.com:/home/baggie/bagthat/*.tar /home look correct? It says images001.tar |
| 12:15.43 | cmanns | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.51 | cmanns | So i can't tell |
| 12:15.59 | Ovi | dpkg: setting up X? |
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| 12:18.10 | zicho | cmanns: I know, thats why I'd like to get it working =/ |
| 12:18.24 | Ovi | it shows the correct language after I ran dpkg-reconfigure console-data but the buttons still don't work |
| 12:18.41 | liable | Ovi: which buttons? |
| 12:18.50 | Ovi | in the romanian language |
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| 12:20.02 | Ovi | liable: do you have any idea? |
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| 12:20.43 | liable | Ovi: sorry, i haven't ever had a computer with anything other than english, so I dont know much about that sort of thing |
| 12:20.54 | cmanns | zicho, just give it a try =) |
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| 12:21.30 | cmanns | I would if I 1) had i doser stll and 2) had a linux box with display |
| 12:21.31 | zicho | cmanns: well, im trying but its hard since the audio wont work. |
| 12:21.35 | cmanns | ah |
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| 12:21.53 | yos87 | how can I run a program on remote pc I access with putty? |
| 12:21.59 | zicho | and i cant find any good support on this issue, it says it cant find my audio device |
| 12:22.06 | dondelelcaro | yos87: just enter the command name. |
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| 12:22.50 | Kevin` | how do I disable dma for a hard drive during the install? |
| 12:22.52 | DustyDingo | hi, is there a way to limit the network bandwith usage of one application? |
| 12:23.17 | yos87 | donde1e1caro: I enter already, it say cannot determin dusplay |
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| 12:24.26 | DustyDingo | the main problem is, that the application i want to limit doesn't use unique destination ports and non predictable hosts, otherwise limiting it with tcpnice would be easy |
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| 12:24.49 | dondelelcaro | yos87: if it's a program that uses X windows, then you have to have an X server running locally. |
| 12:25.03 | gahan | is there a way to use php5 as an apache2 module if i'm using worker mpm? |
| 12:26.03 | dondelelcaro | gahan: no. |
| 12:26.11 | jelly-home | gahan: not with debian's php build |
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| 12:26.44 | Kevin` | anyone? |
| 12:27.00 | gahan | ok, is prefork much less efficient than apahe 1.3.x? |
| 12:27.00 | yos87 | donde1e1caro: But I don't want to run it here, I want to run it on the other pc only, the I want to close and keep that one running |
| 12:27.18 | dondelelcaro | yos87: it runs there but displays output locally. |
| 12:27.20 | jelly-home | gahan: prefork is exactly the same method that 1.3 uses |
| 12:27.26 | gahan | ok, thanks |
| 12:27.38 | bolt | "They're hacking our network! The first firewall is down! Only 3 left! Aaaaaaa!" ... dammit, movies piss me off sometimes |
| 12:27.47 | dondelelcaro | yos87: if you want it to use the remote X server, then prefix the right DISPLAY |
| 12:28.02 | jelly-home | bolt: it's not a movie, it's a tv series! :-) |
| 12:28.21 | dondelelcaro | which tv series? |
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| 12:28.36 | bolt | dondelelcaro: battlestar galactica |
| 12:28.38 | dondelelcaro | ah |
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| 12:28.44 | yos87 | dondelelcaro: how? what perfix the right DISPLAY? |
| 12:28.53 | jelly-home | and they had 5 firewalls afair ;-) |
| 12:29.11 | mavhk | dondelelcaro: one day they might make both a non stupid and good show |
| 12:29.22 | dondelelcaro | mavhk: there are a couple out there |
| 12:29.33 | wols | mavhk: shush! do you want the world to end? |
| 12:29.48 | dondelelcaro | mavhk: IT crowd, Denou Coil, and a few others. |
| 12:29.53 | bolt | jelly-home: terminator isn't much better. "the virus is spreading, but so far, the firewalls are holding up". is it really that strange that my users are wondering how tall our firewalls are? |
| 12:30.02 | mavhk | it crowd isn't about IT though |
| 12:30.05 | jelly-home | good thing I'm not a doctor so I can't groan at Dr. House |
| 12:30.29 | mavhk | dweebs is better, in a technical sense |
| 12:30.29 | yosef | d4x |
| 12:30.31 | dondelelcaro | it crowd *is* IT; it's just not about the IT bits |
| 12:30.38 | yosef | exit |
| 12:30.39 | yosef | exit |
| 12:31.01 | mavhk | it's just an office based comedy |
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| 12:31.29 | mavhk | can one write a realistic yet entertaining scene about security? |
| 12:31.43 | jelly-home | mavhk: BSG is a space based war drama ;-) |
| 12:31.44 | dondelelcaro | mavhk: matrix II |
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| 12:32.29 | dondelelcaro | a real vuln. probe, with a real exploit. |
| 12:32.50 | dondelelcaro | doesn't get much better than that, unless you want to go back to War Games. |
| 12:33.19 | bolt | mavhk: surely, it must be possible to talk about the hackers elevating their privileges, sniffing the network and exploiting different software instead of focusing only on software firewalls that are apparently made out of bricks |
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| 12:34.00 | jelly-home | I wouldn't be surprised if Cisco put bricks in their PIX. |
| 12:34.10 | dondelelcaro | bolt: that would require hiring writers who actually knew what they were talking about, like Charles Stross |
| 12:34.36 | bolt | dondelelcaro: true. i was really pleased about that part of matrix ii. looked at the screen and was like "gah. another bunch of useless text scrolling along. ... hey! they're actually doing something!" |
| 12:34.45 | Kevin` | bricks are strong, imagine how easy it would be to get through if it were made out of plasic instead! |
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| 12:35.08 | jelly-home | Kevin`: heavy machinery. must be good. |
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| 12:36.13 | bolt | jello-home: frack! |
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| 12:37.06 | DawnLight | just came back from a walk with the dogs. there's a chemtrail outside |
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| 12:37.36 | bolt | chemtrail? |
| 12:37.41 | jelly-home | where's your tinfoil hat? |
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| 12:38.30 | jelly-home | ... instead of tinfoil hats, EM paranoids would look much better in a complete chain-mail suit. |
| 12:38.33 | DawnLight | looks like a straight trail of cloud in the sky. airplanes make them |
| 12:38.49 | DawnLight | EM? |
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| 12:39.41 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/pic4/p1090016.jpg - how do you like my new hard drive? :) |
| 12:39.43 | jelly-home | yeah. electromagnetic radiation or detection, what the tinfoil hats are for |
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| 12:39.57 | DawnLight | do you know what these trails are made of so i can relax? |
| 12:40.14 | neotic | Kevin`: =D |
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| 12:40.23 | dbmoodb | ~opensuse |
| 12:40.23 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, opensuse is a bloated thing secretly engineered by microsoft to infiltrate linux users |
| 12:40.56 | DawnLight | !opensuse |
| 12:41.05 | dbmoodb | !opensuse |
| 12:41.12 | petemc | DawnLight: condensation |
| 12:41.13 | dbmoodb | where is our dpkg ? |
| 12:41.15 | Kevin` | ^that's why I asked how to disable dma. apparently those things don't support it, and it causes a large delay during startup probling |
| 12:41.21 | Kevin` | probing* |
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| 12:41.45 | DawnLight | petemc: normal engine byproduct? |
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| 12:42.25 | petemc | DawnLight: i dont know a whole lot about it |
| 12:42.27 | mavhk | it's just a cloud |
| 12:42.40 | dbmoodb | !meow |
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| 12:42.45 | DawnLight | Kevin`: is that RAM? |
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| 12:43.07 | Kevin` | DawnLight that's a CF card without a case |
| 12:43.43 | DawnLight | mavhk: it is made by airplanes. i've seen them numerous times in action |
| 12:43.52 | DawnLight | Kevin`: i'm sorry, what is CF? |
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| 12:44.00 | Kevin` | DawnLight compactflash |
| 12:44.25 | jelly-home | Kevin`: ide0=nodma or something? |
| 12:44.30 | DawnLight | so it is as fast as a rally car? |
| 12:44.49 | Kevin` | jelly-home ok, i'll try that when the install is done |
| 12:44.49 | jelly-home | fast? It can't even do dma :-D |
| 12:45.14 | jelly-home | Kevin`: replace ide0 with the channel that's actually used |
| 12:45.18 | vlt | Hello. For authenticating samba users with PAM on Debian 4 I had to enable unencrypted passwords for smb on every (w2k) client using the following reg entry: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkStation\Parameters] "EnablePlainTextPassword"=dword:00000001. Now the clients have to type in their smb passwd seperately for every new login. Any idea how to avoid this? |
| 12:45.22 | _Alix | wow^ |
| 12:45.24 | DawnLight | so if it isn't fast, what is it for? longevity? embeddedness? |
| 12:45.33 | mavhk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail |
| 12:45.49 | Kevin` | DawnLight no moving parts, quiet, shouldn't ever break from normal use |
| 12:46.06 | Kevin` | DawnLight and it doesn't need mounting |
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| 12:46.11 | _Alix | but Kevin` whats hte life expectancy vs an ide drive? |
| 12:46.46 | Kevin` | _Alix forever on reads, a few million writes per cell I think |
| 12:47.02 | _Alix | hmm, might have to give it ago, what fs do you use on it? |
| 12:47.11 | DawnLight | Kevin`: no mounting? as in no mounting in the virtual filesystem? how's that? |
| 12:47.18 | Kevin` | was thinking about that, probably ext3 or ext2 |
| 12:47.24 | _Alix | not reiser?:P |
| 12:47.35 | Kevin` | DawnLight physical mounting |
| 12:47.40 | Kevin` | it's held up by the wires |
| 12:48.14 | DawnLight | ahh... can a usb drive be made into this? |
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| 12:48.25 | _Alix | what size is it Kevin` ? |
| 12:48.28 | Kevin` | there are, of course, commercial adapters that do the same thing as what I did |
| 12:48.32 | Kevin` | DawnLight not without a controller |
| 12:48.36 | Kevin` | _Alix 2gb |
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| 12:48.49 | _Alix | hmm, I want one :p |
| 12:49.18 | DawnLight | the difference between a man and a boy is the price of the toy |
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| 12:50.12 | pingouin | ah ah ;) |
| 12:50.58 | Kevin` | _Alix it's fiddly work to keep track of all those wires (although it did work the first time), might want to consider just buying the passive adapter for whatever few dollars it is. I don't like buying things on the internet :) |
| 12:52.17 | _Alix | Ive seen thoes, but yours looks cooler |
| 12:52.21 | jelly-home | dpkg, kernel-params is Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt in linux source tree, or http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?v=linux-2.6 |
| 12:52.21 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 12:52.26 | _Alix | looking at mini-itx boards at the moment :p |
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| 12:52.42 | cast | import -window root doesn't catch my [true] transparent windows :( |
| 12:53.42 | _Alix | the new boards take the core2duo mobile cpus |
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| 12:54.45 | jelly-home | Kevin`: it looks like it already had a 44pin ide connector? |
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| 12:55.23 | Kevin` | jelly-home CF can work in 3 different modes, PCMCIA, IDE, and something else |
| 12:55.35 | Kevin` | depending how it's connected |
| 12:55.43 | Kevin` | the connector is 50 pins |
| 12:55.53 | Kevin` | and damn small :/ |
| 12:55.55 | jelly-home | ok, so it wasn't ide by default |
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| 12:56.31 | dbmoodb | opensuse |
| 12:56.32 | dbmoodb | suse |
| 12:56.34 | dbmoodb | !opensuse |
| 12:56.36 | dbmoodb | !suse |
| 12:56.37 | dpkg | i guess suse is a linux distribution that can be found at http://www.suse.com, or german, open source, *nix. . . you do the math. the root of all that is wrong and evil, or #suse, or see http://www.omahns-home.co.uk/downloads/sles9.png |
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| 12:56.45 | Kevin` | well, it didn't take more then connecting the wires the right way to make it ide, so i'm not really sure what the default would be. I suppose there is one, read the CF spec :) |
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| 12:57.39 | jelly-home | it didn't have an IDE connector. |
| 12:57.47 | _case | hello, i'm looking for a simple tool, that can output total bandwith on a monthly basis on a certain interface |
| 12:57.50 | _case | any suggestions? |
| 12:58.02 | Kevin` | of course not, it can't physically fit in an ide connector, the pin pitch is different |
| 12:58.09 | Kevin` | and out of order |
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| 13:02.42 | _Alix | _case vnstat |
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| 13:05.50 | _case | alix, nice tnx! |
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| 13:07.14 | XoX | can i backport alsa drivers from sid? |
| 13:07.24 | mrstocks | Hey, ive just done the most stupid thing ever and removed a whole -rf directory with lots of work... is there a simple way to recove it ? |
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| 13:09.16 | xand | restore it from backup |
| 13:09.26 | xand | !undelete |
| 13:09.27 | dpkg | [undeleting] Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 13:10.21 | mrstocks | Uhmm its a server, no desktop with ext3 |
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| 13:10.30 | mrstocks | and one hd |
| 13:10.46 | gladier | hey guys - im trying to make a debian package file but i need to put a post-installation script in and am dumbfounded as to how im supposed to do it |
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| 13:11.46 | steven43126 | mrstocks, try sleuthkit? read the man page for ils you may be able to recover it by searcing for unlinked inodes? |
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| 13:18.36 | peyj | can someone help me install http://projects.l3ib.org/trac/visibility/ ? =) |
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| 13:19.25 | hoxu | peyj, try #trac ? |
| 13:19.56 | peyj | hoxu, I meant more like, installing the application on that site ;) |
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| 13:21.16 | hoxu | peyj, yes, well, if it's not in debian I think you are better off asking the folks on #trac for help |
| 13:21.31 | hoxu | ah |
| 13:21.33 | hoxu | nevermind :p |
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| 13:22.03 | zjr | does apt keep any install history? eg to see what a package was upgraded from? |
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| 13:22.27 | wols | zjr: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
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| 13:23.28 | hoxu | !can anyone help me |
| 13:23.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just go for it |
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| 13:24.07 | zjr | wols: tx |
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| 13:28.43 | DustyBin | i have a directory full of sub-directories with lots of .zip files what i would like to uncompress within the same folder. I tried using this: find /mnt/audiostore -name '*.zip' -exec unzip -e -o {} \; it unzipped all the files but it left them all in the place where i executed that command, how could i find .zips and uncompress them in the same place it finds them? |
| 13:28.57 | XoX | hi |
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| 13:29.28 | XoX | is it possible to compile a custom kernel with make-kpkg and combine the modules in /usr/src/modules with the same kernel deb package |
| 13:29.38 | XoX | insted of doing make-kpkg modules_image |
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| 13:29.43 | XoX | and having a seperate package |
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| 13:30.21 | yosef | hi |
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| 13:30.43 | hoxu | DustyBin, you could use dirname and subshell where you cd to the directory of the zip before uncompressing it |
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| 13:30.53 | hoxu | DustyBin, dirname as in 'dirname' :P |
| 13:31.29 | yosef | hi |
| 13:32.00 | DustyBin | hoxu: i dont wnat to cd to every dir, there are LOTS n LOTs of sub-directories! |
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| 13:32.52 | mrsno | DustyBin there are certain exampels on google |
| 13:33.02 | DustyBin | aye ok check |
| 13:33.08 | hoxu | DustyBin, I meant from a script |
| 13:33.14 | mrsno | something like: (im no shell scripter) for <var> in <list> do command $<var>; done |
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| 13:34.51 | DustyBin | what do you make of this: http://pastebin.com/m513adc76 |
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| 13:35.22 | mikearthur | what has replaced update-modules? |
| 13:37.06 | hoxu | DustyBin, uh, you might want to add "-name '*.zip'" to find... |
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| 13:38.05 | hoxu | DustyBin, also, you might find it rewarding to go through this at some point: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 13:38.43 | DustyBin | aye ok :D |
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| 13:43.15 | Quibus | xingu: now the USB hub seems to work again... |
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| 13:50.52 | hoxu | !sing fhffhqvb |
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| 13:55.11 | deadeyes | hi all |
| 13:55.20 | deadeyes | I want to use encryption on some files... |
| 13:55.21 | _Alix | hello |
| 13:55.41 | deadeyes | but I dont want to create extra partitions |
| 13:55.53 | _Alix | theres a nice tutorial here http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/encryption/dmcrypt/ |
| 13:55.54 | hoxu | deadeyes, checked out encfs yet? |
| 13:55.57 | deadeyes | (I can more easily backup if it is a loopback) |
| 13:56.09 | deadeyes | hoxu, I will look about that:) |
| 13:56.13 | norc | Hello. I have Debian Etch, and the following problem with ntp; Apparently the package is completely broken, all files from the package appear to be some binary files, furthermore I can't reinstall or even remove ntp, because it will give the following messages: |
| 13:56.35 | deadeyes | I already tried dm_crypt... and all goes fine... but if I want to mount the loopback at login, it always fails :s |
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| 13:56.44 | adrakoa | h |
| 13:56.51 | hoxu | i |
| 13:56.52 | deadeyes | if I do it manually it works |
| 13:57.09 | deadeyes | I used the /etc/crypttab for it |
| 13:57.14 | _Alix | whats your mount scipt like |
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| 13:57.52 | jelly-home | hoxu: have you seen the output of nmeter utility? |
| 13:58.15 | hoxu | ? |
| 13:58.52 | jelly-home | hoxu: I mean, ever |
| 13:59.08 | jelly-home | [SSSSUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDi................] 8192 66M 548 10M 285k 8527 |
| 13:59.18 | deadeyes | _Alix, I had the following in crypttab: cryptedhome /home/gvm/.gvm.img none loop,noauto |
| 13:59.23 | jelly-home | and it goes su-su-sudi |
| 13:59.27 | norc | http://pastebin.ca/779961 < to my previous mentioned problem |
| 14:00.04 | deadeyes | _Alix, in fstab I have: /dev/mapper/cryptedhome /home/gvm/crypt-test auto noauto,loop 0 0 |
| 14:00.28 | deadeyes | hoxu, is encfs a good and safe way of encrypting data? |
| 14:00.48 | _Alix | I cant remember where i read how to auto load it |
| 14:00.48 | norc | deadeyes: define "safe" |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:01.00 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:01.00 | hoxu | deadeyes, don't even try to ask me questions like that :) |
| 14:01.15 | norc | abrotman: no bugs found regarding ntp that would explain this. |
| 14:01.27 | abrotman | norc: drive health okay? |
| 14:01.32 | norc | abrotman: yes |
| 14:01.33 | norc | its just ntp |
| 14:01.39 | norc | everything else is fine |
| 14:01.46 | norc | well |
| 14:01.51 | abrotman | uhoh |
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| 14:01.57 | norc | except that I have these error messages:ldconfig: /usr/lib/libbt.so is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 14:02.01 | deadeyes | norc, I dont want any to open my encrypted files... not only the 'n00bs' |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | norc: have you tried regetting the package ? |
| 14:02.04 | norc | but only regarding the libbt.so files |
| 14:02.04 | _Alix | deadeyes, http://pastebin.ca/779970 |
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| 14:02.12 | norc | abrotman: regetting? |
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| 14:02.24 | abrotman | norc: apt-get clean && aptitude install ntp |
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| 14:03.01 | norc | abrotman: doesnt help at all |
| 14:03.04 | deadeyes | _Alix, ok, but for this to work I need to put in my password manually right? |
| 14:03.09 | _Alix | yes on bootup |
| 14:03.12 | _Alix | it will prompt u |
| 14:03.31 | norc | but lets just assume it could be a harddrive problem, abrotman, do you know any way to check the status of sata drives? |
| 14:03.35 | deadeyes | _Alix, well I only want it to be available if I login to that account |
| 14:03.52 | _Alix | then you have to use pam, theres a tutorial for ubuntu on it, look it up |
| 14:03.55 | abrotman | norc: do they do SMART? errors in syslog/messages ? |
| 14:03.55 | norc | Because I want to be absolutely sure since there are some very sensitive files on this machine. ;) |
| 14:04.03 | deadeyes | _Alix, isnt there a way, for example pam_mount to do this automatically? otherwhise I have to type two times the password |
| 14:05.05 | _Alix | "There is also an add-on to encfs called pam-encfs. This add-on allows automatic decryption/encryption of a user home-directory upon login/logout." |
| 14:05.09 | _Alix | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FolderEncryption |
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| 14:05.14 | norc | abrotman: I think smartmontools works |
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| 14:05.53 | deadeyes | _Alix, any idea what the advantages, disadvantages are between dm_crypt and encfs? |
| 14:06.06 | norc | abrotman: its getting uglier.. apparently apt is still trying to execute the post-installation script for ntp |
| 14:06.09 | norc | and dies |
| 14:06.10 | _Alix | Im not sure, I just prefer dm_crypt |
| 14:06.28 | abrotman | norc: still ? |
| 14:06.28 | deadeyes | _Alix, ok, thanks for your directions |
| 14:06.33 | _Alix | np |
| 14:06.46 | norc | abrotman: well, I may never have noticed before |
| 14:06.56 | mooper | if you saw this "/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw)" when you ran $mount |
| 14:06.56 | hoxu | deadeyes, does dm_crypt need root privileges to set up? |
| 14:07.01 | mooper | what would that say to you? |
| 14:07.05 | mooper | lvm? |
| 14:07.19 | abrotman | norc: you could put a 'set -x' at the beginning of the scripts to see where it's dying |
| 14:07.21 | deadeyes | hoxu, I thought so |
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| 14:07.59 | norc | abrotman: "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error" << :o |
| 14:08.06 | DawnLight | i need help with /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/42714 thanks |
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| 14:08.23 | wormux | ho to all |
| 14:08.40 | wormux | i've a little problem with dfsbuild |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | norc: i meant which command is doing that |
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| 14:10.03 | wormux | this is my problm |
| 14:10.05 | wormux | http://rafb.net/p/dM4xna61.html |
| 14:10.17 | norc | abrotman: I dont think I understand |
| 14:10.27 | Mark17 | does anybody know something about vshed? |
| 14:10.42 | abrotman | norc: can you read the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ntp.post-inst script ? |
| 14:11.09 | abrotman | erm ... ntp.postinst |
| 14:11.18 | norc | abrotman: its scrambled binary as well |
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| 14:11.39 | norc | abrotman: like every single file from the ntp package |
| 14:12.01 | abrotman | norc: is this i386 |
| 14:12.03 | norc | abrotman: (the short smart check revealed no damage to the harddrive) |
| 14:12.05 | norc | abrotman: yes |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | and you did acgtually download the i386 ntp package ? |
| 14:12.33 | norc | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:12.58 | abrotman | norc: copy /var/cache/apt/archives/ntp* to /tmp/ .. and see if you can extract it manually |
| 14:13.09 | asg | abrotman: you could have him run file(1) on the binary to verify |
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| 14:13.21 | abrotman | see .. asg is good for something! |
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| 14:14.13 | abrotman | asg: you know what's sad .. when there's *nothing* on the boobtube .. and you end up watching scooby doo and the loch ness monster |
| 14:14.14 | norc | abrotman: well. that wouldnt be possible anymore |
| 14:14.16 | asg | abrotman: what, making Penix leave whenever I say something? |
| 14:14.25 | norc | abrotman: because you told me to do apt-get clean :) |
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| 14:14.33 | mesut | hi,im having problems with mod_chroot and apache2 on debian etch. ChrootDir is /home/jail, when i set DocumentRoot to / ,it works as exxpected,but if i choose Document Root a dir inside jail, ie /www for /home/jail/www , it checks ServerRoot/www (/etc/apache2/www) and cant find it of course. |
| 14:14.35 | abrotman | norc: and i told you to try to install it again |
| 14:14.36 | asg | abrotman: yeah, tv is shit today. |
| 14:14.37 | wormux | anyone can help me? |
| 14:14.43 | norc | abrotman: Yes, and it failed |
| 14:14.53 | abrotman | norc: aptitude reinstall ntp |
| 14:14.59 | peyj | anyone who has a stalonetray deb for etch? |
| 14:15.10 | norc | abrotman: 15:14 < norc> abrotman: Yes, and it failed |
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| 14:15.21 | abrotman | peyj: frank or sylvester ? |
| 14:15.36 | asg | !rimshot |
| 14:15.37 | dpkg | BA-DUM-TSHT! |
| 14:15.39 | norc | abrotman: it fails with the same error message :| |
| 14:15.48 | abrotman | norc: did it redownload ? |
| 14:15.51 | norc | abrotman: nope |
| 14:15.52 | peyj | abrotman, huh? |
| 14:16.32 | abrotman | norc: wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ntp_4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2_i386.deb |
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| 14:17.15 | deadeyes | _Alix, encfs seems loooads simpler to use |
| 14:17.21 | norc | abrotman: that worked alright |
| 14:17.23 | asg | mesut: have you consulted #apache? |
| 14:17.25 | deadeyes | hoxu, thanks for pointing me to encfs |
| 14:17.30 | norc | abrotman: shall I just copy those files to my system partition? |
| 14:17.35 | abrotman | asg: can i have your extra eggs ? |
| 14:17.37 | norc | thus overwriting all broken files |
| 14:17.44 | peyj | abrotman, do you, or do you don't know any etch .deb for stalonetray? |
| 14:17.46 | abrotman | norc: you can try |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | peyj: it was a bad joke .. but asg got it! |
| 14:17.58 | norc | abrotman: just realized that this wont work |
| 14:18.03 | peyj | ok :P |
| 14:18.05 | mesut | asg, yeah,here and there at same time,waiting both |
| 14:18.11 | abrotman | norc: because i don't have eggs ? |
| 14:18.20 | norc | abrotman: No, but because the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ntp.postinst will still be broken |
| 14:18.24 | asg | mesut: did you check the package documentation? /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 14:18.27 | abrotman | norc: so delete it |
| 14:18.36 | asg | abrotman: I have scotch eggs, you want em? |
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| 14:18.58 | mesut | asg, no,checked some online docs,and howtos only.letme check local one |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | no |
| 14:19.15 | norc | abrotman: I really hope you know what you are suggesting :) |
| 14:19.20 | sdubois92 | When i compile a kernel, after i run make menuconfig and then make, what do i do next |
| 14:19.27 | abrotman | norc: let's have asg verify! |
| 14:19.52 | asg | abrotman: delete the postinst? |
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| 14:19.59 | norc | well |
| 14:20.05 | norc | since they are broken I can delete them anyway |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | asg: he's going to dpkg -i the one he just wgot |
| 14:20.15 | norc | doesnt do any damage deleting completely broken files |
| 14:20.16 | asg | abrotman: I'd suggest editing it and putting exit 0 at the top and try to remove |
| 14:20.17 | norc | does it? |
| 14:20.17 | norc | ;) |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | asg: it's binary for some weird reason |
| 14:20.29 | norc | well |
| 14:20.34 | abrotman | or so he told me! |
| 14:20.44 | asg | abrotman: funky, I'd dpkg -i then |
| 14:20.44 | norc | they are not empty |
| 14:21.10 | asg | mesut: the question seems clear, or should be to someone with apache and mod_chroot experience. |
| 14:21.23 | mesut | ok thanks |
| 14:21.51 | mesut | usr/share/docs/ has some READMEs,im on them |
| 14:22.34 | asg | abrotman: do you know if stew has confirmed when sarge support will end? |
| 14:23.00 | norc | wow |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | asg: i've seen him say april quite a few times .. which is about a year after etch's release |
| 14:23.13 | abrotman | norc: did ntp make me eggs? |
| 14:23.15 | asg | abrotman: yeah, that's what I was afraid of. |
| 14:23.15 | norc | I purged ntp with dpkg, apparently this did the job |
| 14:23.21 | utopia_ | where would i find a iceweasal developer? |
| 14:23.25 | abrotman | asg: why? |
| 14:23.25 | norc | after I messed around with it a bit |
| 14:23.32 | asg | utopia_: /msg dpkg maint iceweasel |
| 14:23.40 | abrotman | asg: how many sarge boxen do you have left? |
| 14:23.43 | norc | still very very weird |
| 14:23.48 | utopia_ | thanks asg |
| 14:23.48 | asg | abrotman: about 75 |
| 14:23.55 | norc | abrotman: thanks for the tips anyway |
| 14:24.05 | abrotman | asg: sounds like a job for spoopin! |
| 14:24.07 | cast | mesut: apache chan would know more me thinks |
| 14:24.11 | abrotman | norc: i'm not sure i even helped :) |
| 14:24.25 | norc | abrotman: well, it would have taken some time until I would have used dpkg directly |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:24.31 | norc | (on my own) |
| 14:24.49 | abrotman | norc: have you tried to install any other packages since then? |
| 14:24.50 | asg | abrotman: it is but there are some tricky updates and I need to start scheduling it in the project plan. Since etch will not work reliably on my broken v100s, I'll have to secure more reasonable hardware. |
| 14:24.55 | norc | abrotman: nope |
| 14:24.59 | mesut | cast, yeah im on there too.thanks |
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| 14:25.02 | norc | actually I havent installed anything in months |
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| 14:25.13 | abrotman | asg: the v100 is a sun box? |
| 14:25.27 | abrotman | norc: you might want to try something simple like robotfindskitten |
| 14:25.39 | asg | abrotman: yeah, custom nortel built sun v100. I can't get any operating system to run reliably; the nics are shit. |
| 14:25.52 | abrotman | asg: pci slots for new ones! |
| 14:26.06 | norc | abrotman: I prefer nethack, thanks :) |
| 14:26.19 | jelly-home | robotfindskitten <3 |
| 14:26.19 | abrotman | norc: well .. whatever .. i'd try something .. you might have a larger problem |
| 14:26.34 | asg | abrotman: no, these are 1/2 size 1U appliances. |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | ick! |
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| 14:26.48 | norc | abrotman: Ah.. I get the idea, try to reproduce the problem |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | asg: so you've got five months to figure it out .. sounds easy! |
| 14:27.04 | jelly-home | asg: don't they have one pci slot available, like the older netras? |
| 14:27.14 | asg | abrotman: I have other things to do as well you know :) |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i've got one left .. and i need to finish the coding on the new stuff before i can shut off the old one |
| 14:28.10 | asg | jelly-home: it isn't just the nics though, the mobos are broken too; I can't even get Solaris to run reliably, go figure. |
| 14:28.27 | asg | abrotman: at least I don't have any production woody boxes left. |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | asg: you should talk to the network manager and try to get some new hardware! |
| 14:28.37 | maunix | hi everybody. I have my debian's .iso files in my hardisk, and I mounted them. I would like to know if is there a way to add them to my sources.list in order to be found by synaptic/apt? |
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| 14:28.44 | asg | abrotman: I am the network manager |
| 14:28.55 | abrotman | asg: i know .. should make it easy to get new hardware :) |
| 14:29.00 | norc | yay, found the kitten :( |
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| 14:29.05 | asg | abrotman: and upgrades to exchange and other ms shit will take all my money. |
| 14:29.07 | abrotman | norc: hehe |
| 14:29.15 | jelly-home | norc: you win! |
| 14:29.24 | asg | abrotman: suffice it to say, I'll find some near death intel kit that will work. |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | asg: to exchange? or upgrading exchange ? |
| 14:29.36 | asg | abrotman: upgrading |
| 14:29.48 | abrotman | asg: don't you also have an OCS deployment? |
| 14:29.56 | asg | abrotman: that's part of it |
| 14:30.10 | abrotman | asg: you should stock up on beer now :) |
| 14:30.26 | elmo22 | good morning (from EST) I have an 'apt' question. Why does apt download the same thing more then once? Get:12 http://debian.yorku.ca unstable/main 2007-11-17-2024.52.pdiff [9519B] ... Get:16 ... Get:19 They are all the same size, same numbers, what gives? |
| 14:30.28 | asg | abrotman: we've also been tasked with potentially replacing our CS1000 PBX with an Asterisk implementation ... that should be fun. |
| 14:30.54 | abrotman | elmo22: those are diff files for apt .. instead of downloading a 5MB file each time .. it gives you smaller files |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | asg: you need to multiply ... |
| 14:31.17 | elmo22 | but in the same apt-get update session? |
| 14:31.33 | abrotman | elmo22: the numbers should differ |
| 14:31.37 | asg | abrotman: do more with less is my motto |
| 14:31.57 | abrotman | asg: you should stick to the gov't motto .. do less with more :) |
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| 14:32.34 | asg | abrotman: t'would be nice |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | asg: what kind of NICs are in those v100s ? |
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| 14:33.10 | asg | abrotman: davicom |
| 14:33.25 | abrotman | asg: i thought those worked reasonably well ? |
| 14:33.31 | abrotman | apparently not :( |
| 14:33.44 | asg | abrotman: they are supposed to except they don't in these bastardized nortel v100 customs |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | oh ... |
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| 14:33.58 | abrotman | they removed the useful bits :) |
| 14:34.05 | asg | abrotman: I can't even get obsd to run reliably and it is rock solid on sun kit |
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| 14:34.19 | elmo22 | http://paste.debian.net/42798 |
| 14:34.43 | elmo22 | in there you will see, #12, 16, 19 are all the same. Just curious, thats all. |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | elmo22: it's really just pdiff files .. it's really not a big deal |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | and they're different sizes |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | asg: so what does nortel recommend to run on it ? |
| 14:36.02 | elmo22 | no, it isnt. just wondering why there are multiple downloads. |
| 14:36.05 | CalebRipley | I am searching for debian-installer.h and cdebconf/debconfclient.h, where can i download this files. i found nothing with google. |
| 14:36.08 | abrotman | oh .. no they are the same .. |
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| 14:36.36 | abrotman | !tell CalebRipley about search |
| 14:37.05 | sdubois92 | when im compiling the kernel, after i run make modules_install, what do i do next? |
| 14:37.18 | abrotman | !kp |
| 14:37.18 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 14:39.20 | norc | abrotman: wow, I didnt know there was a debian way(tm) :) |
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| 14:39.39 | abrotman | norc: there's a debian way for lots of stuff |
| 14:40.22 | norc | abrotman: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libbt.so.0 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start << I guess I dont have to worry about those? |
| 14:40.44 | abrotman | norc: you could try to reinstall the package that contains that .so |
| 14:40.53 | norc | and hope it doesnt work as well |
| 14:40.58 | norc | so I have something new to think about |
| 14:40.59 | norc | I'll try |
| 14:41.03 | elmo22 | abrotman: thanks for looking at the pastebin of my apt. I will ignore it, for now ;) It is kinda slow, but that may be due to a slow drive. |
| 14:41.12 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 14:41.12 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:41.34 | norc | oh... |
| 14:41.40 | norc | dejavu.. |
| 14:41.44 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 14:41.50 | norc | *but* |
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| 14:42.09 | norc | abrotman: it fixed itself |
| 14:42.15 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 14:42.22 | abrotman | norc: are you worried yet? :) |
| 14:42.25 | norc | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/780163 |
| 14:42.26 | elmo22 | i dont have a /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:42.33 | norc | abrotman: that my system is fixing itself? |
| 14:42.34 | abrotman | elmo22: create one |
| 14:42.39 | norc | not at all |
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| 14:43.01 | abrotman | norc: i think so .. i've never seen that .. and i've been using debian for quite awhile |
| 14:43.02 | norc | Oh dear.. I may know the reason |
| 14:43.22 | asg | abrotman: nortel recommended solaris 9 but they couldn't get it to work reliably so we gave up. |
| 14:43.35 | abrotman | asg: get a refund? |
| 14:43.36 | sdubois92 | when im compiling the kernel, after i run make modules_install, what do i do next? |
| 14:43.39 | asg | abrotman: we did |
| 14:43.48 | abrotman | so why do you still have them ? |
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| 14:44.07 | asg | abrotman: they didn't even want the hardware back which is why we wanted to use it for snort taps and other miscellaneous things |
| 14:44.08 | norc | apparently not.. hum |
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| 14:44.29 | norc | abrotman: Well, I think if I find a way to reproduce this bug I'll blow etch back to unstable ;) |
| 14:44.36 | jelly-home | asg: maybe they didn't want it because... it was crap? |
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| 14:44.38 | cmanns | Hey guys, I installed debian etch from business card iso, I apt-get install ssh it installed the openssh server, then on my other system I ssh'd via the priv ip, I set the ip to dmz mode on the router os every port is open yet i cant ssh from the domain, do i need to adjust iptables? |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | sdubois92: you sohuld really use make-kpkg |
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| 14:44.53 | asg | jelly-home: indeed, that's the only reasonable conclusion |
| 14:45.09 | clamiax | How can i disable the termcap initialization routines for *all* programs? |
| 14:45.09 | elmo22 | i make this pdiff 'false' and it will download the entire packages? That will be >5mb, right? |
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| 14:45.24 | sdubois92 | abrotman: I want to know how to do it the hard way |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | elmo22: yeah .. i have a feeling you'll be removing that file soon .. pdiff is *way* better |
| 14:45.31 | sdubois92 | just for the experience |
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| 14:45.46 | abrotman | sdubois92: did you think to look in the Documentation directory? |
| 14:45.48 | elmo22 | i have a very fast download, that is not the issue ;) |
| 14:45.51 | jelly-home | asg: were I paranoid, I'd suspect they sent you the hw knowing it was bad |
| 14:45.59 | elmo22 | ~1mb/s |
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| 14:46.36 | norc | elmo22: thats supposed to be fast? gramma löthberg has 40gbit/s !! |
| 14:46.40 | asg | jelly-home: that's odd though, they list $500,000 worth of MCS 5100 business; even nortel wouldn't be that stupid ... hmmm |
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| 14:46.48 | asg | s/list/lost/ |
| 14:46.48 | elmo22 | i live in Canada, that is all we have :/ |
| 14:47.15 | elmo22 | well, not true... we do have 10mb/s, just cant afford that one :P |
| 14:47.29 | norc | 10mb/s for the entire country, my god.. |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | canada has internet ? |
| 14:47.59 | jelly-home | inter company politics can sometimes result in funny deals |
| 14:48.01 | Ronin | abrotman: only by dog sled |
| 14:48.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:48.17 | jelly-home | Ronin: which rfc is that? |
| 14:48.25 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:48.55 | jelly-home | ttl must be a dog |
| 14:49.15 | elmo22 | ronin? when did you get this nick? |
| 14:49.15 | abrotman | asg: they probably didn't want the hardware back in inventory |
| 14:49.25 | asg | abrotman: nfc |
| 14:49.36 | abrotman | asg: you could donate them to the debian project :) |
| 14:49.36 | asg | jelly-home: you could probably run a decent MUSH over it though |
| 14:49.43 | Ronin | elmo22: had it for years, why? |
| 14:49.44 | elmo22 | Ronin: you are in ontario? |
| 14:49.48 | Ronin | elmo22: nope |
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| 14:50.03 | asg | abrotman: good idea, perhaps the borkage will delay the retirement of sarge updates :) |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:50.21 | abrotman | asg: all 75 are the v100s ? |
| 14:50.28 | asg | abrotman: no no, only 9 |
| 14:50.32 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 14:50.47 | asg | abrotman: the others are blades, 1u / 2u dells, etc. |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | asg: i guess you could ask DDs if they want them .. tell them they're a bit wonky though |
| 14:51.10 | norc | abrotman: I will tell you in 149 minutes if its the harddrive |
| 14:51.23 | abrotman | norc: that's a long test :) |
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| 14:51.36 | norc | abrotman: I believe thats why the option is called "long" |
| 14:51.53 | jelly-home | we've recently moved an Oracle instance from an aged V880 to a new intel machine, 2x dualcore etcetc, and it seems to me the old Sun was way faster |
| 14:52.01 | norc | Oracle! |
| 14:52.07 | norc | capitalists |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: it probably had way better IO |
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| 14:52.34 | cmanns | hmm I flushed iptables yet :22 still can't connect :3 |
| 14:52.45 | abrotman | that happens |
| 14:52.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: definitely. for some reason oracle only gets ~50MB/s from the disks specced at 200MB/s |
| 14:52.57 | elmo22 | Ronin: this is the Ronin i knew: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/87637/index.html |
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| 14:53.02 | graytron | cmanns: what's the default policy? |
| 14:53.08 | cmanns | ? |
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| 14:53.20 | abrotman | elmo22: there's a movie |
| 14:53.23 | clamiax | It's really boring to configure all the software (as w3m, vim, etc.). I'm looking for some termcap/terminfo environment variable, any suggest is appreciated. |
| 14:53.28 | elmo22 | abrotman: true |
| 14:53.31 | elmo22 | good one, too |
| 14:53.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: DMA ? |
| 14:53.34 | Ronin | abrotman: and the masterless samuri |
| 14:53.39 | Ronin | ohh thats not correct |
| 14:53.50 | abrotman | Ronin: i knew that .. but that's not a reference .. that's the definition ;) |
| 14:53.57 | cmanns | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: the FC card does only dma afaik |
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| 14:54.22 | Ronin | abrotman: true but it is where i picked it from, so there |
| 14:54.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: doesn't seem right .. but you'd probably have to run more tests |
| 14:54.40 | abrotman | Ronin: to hell with you and your dogsled internet! |
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| 14:55.06 | Ronin | mush mush |
| 14:55.16 | asg | moo moo |
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| 14:55.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: too bad it works well enough and oracle guys don't have time to spare. I only occasionally nag them about how slow the backup is on the new machine. |
| 14:55.57 | jelly-home | !mush |
| 14:56.05 | tziku | hi , i have a lot of close & opened sessions with: cs sshd[16086]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) . I change my ssh login port yesterday but still have unknow login tryes. |
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| 14:56.20 | cmen | hmm |
| 14:56.21 | _Alix | tziku, /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:56.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: just don't back it up . problem solved :) |
| 14:56.24 | cmen | router reboot didnt help :( |
| 14:56.26 | _Alix | otherwise it will listen on the old port |
| 14:56.36 | cmen | How'd I change the sshd port? |
| 14:56.42 | tziku | i already do this yesterday. |
| 14:56.46 | _Alix | its in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:56.48 | dutchfish | can someone hint me how to recompile the sane-back-end from the latest cvs from sane into a working package within debian etch? |
| 14:57.02 | _Alix | and you could use fail2ban to block login attemps, "apt-get install fail2ban" |
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| 14:57.13 | tziku | _Alix is listen correct. ssh now is not on 22. |
| 14:57.21 | _Alix | but your still getting login attempts? |
| 14:57.28 | acu | How can I make a Nvida Geforce 7150M work in wide mode 1440X900 ? |
| 14:57.28 | Ronin | tziku: welcome to the internet :) |
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| 14:57.47 | jelly-home | if fail2ban actually bans people, does it then not work as intended? |
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| 14:58.02 | acu | first of all, I have to use vesa even to run gdm or kde |
| 14:58.38 | _Alix | jelly-home its intention is to ban certain addresses |
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| 14:58.45 | _Alix | that login wrong |
| 14:58.45 | jelly-home | shouldn't it, well, fail to ban? |
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| 14:58.59 | _Alix | no, it means, fail to login = ban |
| 14:59.06 | cmen | D: |
| 14:59.16 | cmen | I change dit to port 24 and it still wont respond publically |
| 14:59.30 | abrotman | cmen: you flished the iptables rules on the server |
| 14:59.39 | _Alix | you can also use another application to ban certain countries but I can't remember its name, theres a tutorial on howtoforge.org that explans it |
| 14:59.56 | cmen | Do I need to set rules to allow port 24? |
| 15:00.08 | _Alix | it depends if you blocked it with another rule |
| 15:00.18 | abrotman | cmen: you have NO rules right now .. |
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| 15:01.41 | cmen | I dont believe so |
| 15:01.54 | cmen | nope |
| 15:01.59 | _Alix | do "iptable -F" to remove them then try and login |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | not if it's remote |
| 15:02.23 | cmen | no worky |
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| 15:04.29 | deepdiver | Hi room - anyone here to ask some questions about debian package maintanance? |
| 15:04.50 | abrotman | you can try here or |
| 15:04.51 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 15:04.52 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 15:05.54 | deepdiver | I'm building debian packages for an open source project |
| 15:06.23 | deepdiver | i'm almost done and now i'd like to bring the packages to the debian package system |
| 15:06.33 | daniele_982 | hello all i've installed debian sid by scratch but i'm not able to install gnome because are broken pakages.....same solve? |
| 15:07.00 | abrotman | deepdiver: you can ask someone to sponsor it |
| 15:07.03 | gravity | deepdiver: So you want to maintain your packages for Debian itself you mean? |
| 15:07.10 | daniele_982 | i can use only terminal... |
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| 15:07.16 | _Alix | daniele_982, "apt-get -F install" |
| 15:07.18 | _Alix | try that |
| 15:07.25 | deepdiver | from the docs i have read i shall become a debian develper to be allowed to upload |
| 15:07.36 | deepdiver | but this is abitt overkill I feel! |
| 15:07.42 | daniele_982 | _Alix: apt-get -f install gnome? |
| 15:07.45 | deepdiver | Any other idea? |
| 15:07.47 | gravity | deepdiver: Yes, there's a new "debian maintainer" process that sounds right fo ryou |
| 15:07.59 | _Alix | deepdiver you could run your own repo, daniele_982 no, with no package name |
| 15:08.01 | gravity | deepdiver: You should look at that. I don't know how well documented it is right now because it's just being set up as we speak |
| 15:08.16 | abrotman | deepdiver: you can ask someone to sponsor your package at mentors.debian.net .. |
| 15:08.19 | gravity | deepdiver: Alternately, as _Alix says, you can run your own repo |
| 15:08.25 | sdubois92 | I just found 10 bucks in my pocket! |
| 15:08.29 | _Alix | like debian-multimedia does |
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| 15:08.43 | cmen | Anything else you guys would suggest to run? |
| 15:08.47 | daniele_982 | _Alix: and so? i've not a DE |
| 15:09.04 | gravity | deepdiver: But I'd take a serious look at becoming a debian maintainer. It's a lot less work than becoming a debian developer, and it sounds like it's built for what you want to do |
| 15:09.24 | daniele_982 | _Alix: i've install sid by netinstall |
| 15:09.32 | abrotman | gravity: did that pass ? |
| 15:09.34 | _Alix | well you could rent one, or use a free host, of if you built the package you could email the application owner saying you have it and he could host it |
| 15:09.38 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 15:09.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:09.59 | gravity | aj is finishing the job of setting it up right now |
| 15:10.00 | deepdiver | thx alot for you answers! |
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| 15:10.14 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. so it's not quite ready yet |
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| 15:10.32 | gravity | abrotman: We have a few people in the d-m keyring, so it's working |
| 15:11.16 | deepdiver | The whole procedure to become a debian maintainer sounds really complex. All that stress for only 5 packges or so? |
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| 15:12.01 | daniele_982 | _Alix: ??? |
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| 15:12.37 | _Alix | try umm |
| 15:12.42 | gravity | deepdiver: What do you mean? What's so complex about it? |
| 15:12.43 | stew | deepdiver: you can find a current debian developer to sponsor your packages (which is part of the process of eventually becoming a DD or a DM) |
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| 15:13.01 | abrotman | gravity: i think he means DD not DM |
| 15:13.01 | labanux | hi everyone.. |
| 15:13.11 | gravity | abrotman: That's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 15:13.16 | _Alix | daniele_982, "apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xorg gnome gdm" |
| 15:13.28 | labanux | what is the main different between 40r0 and 40r1 installer CD? (1st CD) |
| 15:13.36 | gravity | _Alix: He doesn't need to install both xserver-xorg-core and xorg. xorg will pull in the xserver |
| 15:13.45 | labanux | are they using a different kernel version? |
| 15:13.45 | jelly-home | DM = Dungeon Master? |
| 15:13.46 | gravity | Besides, no one should be installing -core |
| 15:13.49 | daniele_982 | _Alix: i've installe gdm and xserver-xorg-core but gnome has broken pakages |
| 15:14.00 | _Alix | sorry then, daniele_982 got a log? |
| 15:14.16 | _Alix | I was just following http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/432 |
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| 15:14.23 | Ronin | daniele_982: well it is sid so broken packages aren't really that surprising |
| 15:14.54 | gravity | _Alix: Yeah, that's wrong |
| 15:14.55 | daniele_982 | Ronin: ok but i can't install a DE gnome or kde |
| 15:14.58 | gravity | I'll add to the comments there |
| 15:15.13 | gravity | Realistically, the xorg package is fairly minimalistic by itself |
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| 15:15.20 | gravity | You need to remove the drivers you don't need after that |
| 15:15.25 | daniele_982 | gnome-->gnome-office and rhytmbox |
| 15:15.26 | abrotman | gravity: oh come on .. how could you possibly know more about xorg than that website? :) |
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| 15:15.49 | yos87 | Hi |
| 15:16.16 | yos87 | I have question, how can I remove the (recent documents) from the menue ? |
| 15:16.19 | labanux | i'm trying to install an ISO image from hd, using hd-media image. It can load the kernel and initrd. But when the time comes to mount the ISO image, it says : different kernel version between image and ISO file.. Could anyone give me a clue how to fix this? |
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| 15:16.48 | deepdiver | gravity: From what I read and form what I heard it sounds like a hell of work for me AND for the debian community - and all just for a hand full of packages? |
| 15:17.33 | daniele_982 | _Alix: gnome-->depends by gnome-office and rhytmbox but nothing to install |
| 15:17.37 | stew | deepdiver: and its not necessary to do either in order to get your packages uploaded. you can have them sponsored by a current debian developer |
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| 15:17.40 | abrotman | deepdiver: so have someone sponsor your packages .. http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 15:18.14 | daniele_982 | _Alix: broken pakage |
| 15:18.23 | _Alix | daniele_982, use a new version? |
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| 15:19.01 | daniele_982 | _Alix: what? i'm using repository of debian sid (main contrib non-free) |
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| 15:19.21 | _Alix | your going to have ot ask someone else, im not sure |
| 15:19.22 | gravity | deepdiver: Are you sure you're not looking at the instructions for being a debian developer. They're different... |
| 15:20.01 | gravity | deepdiver: Becoming a debian maintainer requires you to get your gpg key signed by a debian developer so you're in the web of trust, and you need to be advocated by some current debian developers. This is all so we know we can trust you |
| 15:20.08 | daniele_982 | _Alix: gnome depends by gnome-office(2.18.3.1) and rytmbox(>=0.10) |
| 15:20.32 | deepdiver | gravity: i have my infos from http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint |
| 15:20.42 | gravity | deepdiver: Yeah, that's for becoming a debian developer |
| 15:21.08 | daniele_982 | _Alix: i've tried to install gnome-core but same responce: depends by eog(2.18.2) and nautilus(2.18.1) |
| 15:21.11 | deepdiver | gravity: maybe it read more work than it is .... |
| 15:21.16 | gravity | It's a shame we didn't choose a new name for debian maintainer. It'd avoid more confusion |
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| 15:21.21 | gravity | Let me find better docs... |
| 15:21.25 | abrotman | deepdiver: seriously .. check out http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 15:21.51 | deepdiver | abrotman: I'll have a look - thanks alot! |
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| 15:23.06 | gravity | deepdiver: http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003 has the vote we made. Have a look at the bit about how people get included in the keyring |
| 15:23.16 | stew | deepdiver: i'm neither a DD nor a DM and i currently have 7 or so packages in debian, you just have to find sponsors |
| 15:23.33 | stew | deepdiver: and to do the thing that gravity is talking about, you'll also have to find sponsors |
| 15:23.36 | gravity | section 2 |
| 15:23.57 | gravity | abrotman: mentors kinda sucks. I don't know anyone who uses those packages. |
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| 15:24.33 | abrotman | gravity: it's there .. it is an option for him .. being a DD is a pain .. i haven't seen the docs to become a DM |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | erm .. becoming a DD |
| 15:25.07 | daniele_982 | no solution for me? |
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| 15:25.20 | abrotman | gravity: but people do get packages uploaded through mentors.d.n .. right ? |
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| 15:25.30 | gravity | daniele_982: Your solution is to pretty much wait for fixed packages or use testing for now |
| 15:25.49 | gravity | abrotman: I don't think they do to debian proper really |
| 15:25.51 | gravity | I could be wrong though |
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| 15:26.05 | abrotman | gravity: the website would imply they go do incoming |
| 15:26.10 | gravity | abrotman: I tend to think direct sponsorship is better if you can get it |
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| 15:26.45 | daniele_982 | gravity: in lenny what version of gnome are? 2.20 or 2.18? |
| 15:27.00 | gravity | daniele_982: I don't know off the top of my head, sorry |
| 15:27.06 | stew | lots of people use mentors.d.o regularly |
| 15:27.10 | stew | miry comes to mind |
| 15:27.12 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. but i think that implies you have some sort of friendship with a current DD |
| 15:27.19 | daniele_982 | gravity: you don't use lenny? |
| 15:27.23 | gravity | daniele_982: I use sid |
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| 15:27.54 | abrotman | daniele_982: i think it's a mix currently |
| 15:27.55 | daniele_982 | gravity: ok can you see what version of eog and nautilus are? |
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| 15:28.05 | abrotman | daniele_982: packages.debian.org/eog |
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| 15:28.54 | gravity | daniele_982: Both are 2.20 in sid |
| 15:29.30 | daniele_982 | gravity: i not understand....why with my repos are eog 2.18 ? |
| 15:29.37 | gravity | daniele_982: I don't know |
| 15:29.41 | daniele_982 | gravity: can you post your sources= |
| 15:29.42 | daniele_982 | ? |
| 15:29.47 | abrotman | daniele_982: for lenny? |
| 15:29.56 | gravity | daniele_982: I use the us.debian.org mirror |
| 15:30.00 | daniele_982 | abrotman: no no i'm using sid repos |
| 15:30.14 | abrotman | daniele_982: apt-cache policy eog ... is there a newer candidate ? |
| 15:30.47 | daniele_982 | abrotman: 2.20.2-1 |
| 15:30.56 | abrotman | daniele_982: okay .. so aptitude install eog |
| 15:31.24 | daniele_982 | abrotman: but when i install gnome-core it want 2.18.2 |
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| 15:32.15 | daniele_982 | abrotman: aptitude install gnome? -9755 |
| 15:32.24 | abrotman | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html |
| 15:32.33 | debian | what is envy? |
| 15:32.47 | abrotman | debian: google ? |
| 15:32.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | When I install a source package, where is the source put? |
| 15:33.07 | acu | I have a AMD64 laptop with an Nvidia GEforce 7150M - the problem is that it works only with vesa - I umsing debian - so I went to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg choose vesa instead of nv or nvidia and for resolution I choose 1440-900 (the resolution which works on vista) but the monitor is detected as generic - and also I got only 1024X768 res can anyone help ? |
| 15:33.07 | debian | Abrotman: No |
| 15:33.27 | abrotman | debian: your google is broken? |
| 15:33.31 | deepdiver | gravity: abrotman: thanks alot for your help! |
| 15:33.50 | debian | abrotman; yes, and I neeed envy to fix it |
| 15:33.58 | daniele_982 | abrotman: but what you advice??? aptitude install gnome? or other? |
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| 15:34.34 | gravity | daniele_982: Have you updated your sources lately? |
| 15:34.47 | gravity | debian: envy is a program to install proprietary video drivers |
| 15:34.56 | debian | Ok |
| 15:35.03 | daniele_982 | gravity: no i'm installed sid by scratch |
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| 15:35.20 | gravity | debian: You should be able to get your card up and running without envy |
| 15:35.24 | gravity | At least showing an image |
| 15:35.25 | debian | Is there a program to uninstall propetary (or not) wireless drivers? |
| 15:35.35 | gravity | debian: Depends on how you installed them |
| 15:36.06 | debian | Module something |
| 15:36.37 | daniele_982 | gravity: with netinstall |
| 15:36.40 | debian | Module helper? |
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| 15:37.12 | debian | I can uninstall all wireless driver. |
| 15:38.54 | daniele_982 | gravity: abrotman ............so? |
| 15:39.00 | cmen | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 15:39.00 | cmen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.21 | gravity | daniele_982: I'd wait and use something other than gnome for a little while until the gnome packages are updated for you |
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| 15:39.56 | daniele_982 | gravity: same problem with kde |
| 15:40.04 | gravity | daniele_982: try something else like icewm or windowmaker |
| 15:40.11 | cmen | XFCE :3 |
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| 15:40.32 | gravity | daniele_982: You can also try installing lenny and then upgrading to sid. |
| 15:40.40 | acu | how do you get envy for debian ? |
| 15:41.15 | cast | by using windows |
| 15:42.09 | gravity | acu: google is probably your best bet |
| 15:42.15 | gravity | It's not in the debian archive |
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| 15:45.13 | cusco | why use envy? |
| 15:45.28 | cusco | just check wich card you have and search for its driver |
| 15:45.32 | norc | Is there anyone with Vice (C64 Emulator) experience in here? |
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| 15:49.00 | gravity | Yeah, even the proprietary drivers are in non-free these days if you really want them |
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| 15:54.53 | abrotman | norc: maybe tarzeau .. he goofs with that stuff i think |
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| 15:57.30 | norc | abrotman: very well, I'll try to annoy him later about vice :) |
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| 15:59.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me get my webcam working? I asked in ##linux and ##hardware, but got no replies. |
| 15:59.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got a chicony twinklecam webcam |
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| 15:59.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've installed the ov51x-jpeg driver and modprobed it, but I still can't get any apps to show video from it |
| 16:00.06 | huck_2000 | I have my wireless card on my laptop plugged in, ndiswrapper installed and the driver installed but no network link. iwconfig isn't working and I've tried editing the /etc/network/interfaces file but still cannot get a connection. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Using debian Etch w/ 2.6.18-5-686 kernel |
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| 16:01.27 | elmo22 | Ronin: sorry, the nick of the man I knew was R0nin, with a 'zero' not an 'o'. Sorry for the confusion |
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| 16:02.21 | elmo22 | huck_2000: which wifi card? have you tried netcardconfig ? (or whatever it is called) |
| 16:02.38 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdr.php?id=79 |
| 16:02.49 | huck_2000 | It's an airlink101 wireless b card... havent tried netcardconfig... will try that now |
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| 16:03.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: Thanks |
| 16:03.31 | cusco | good luck! |
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| 16:06.28 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: also try http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
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| 16:06.50 | Ohmu | i installed debian from a netinst cd. now im doing apt-get dist-upgrade, and it wants the cd. why? does it need it? |
| 16:07.20 | pngwn | Ohmu, because it's in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:07.21 | asg | Ohmu: check your sources list, make sure it only includes network repositories |
| 16:07.34 | Ohmu | also do i need to do dist-update after ive done dist-upgrade? |
| 16:07.41 | Ohmu | thanks |
| 16:07.42 | reto_ | Ohmu: there's no dist-update |
| 16:07.48 | reto_ | Ohmu: and use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 16:07.56 | reto_ | Ohmu: it has the same arguments/options |
| 16:08.21 | Ohmu | gr8 - thx. good job i popped in here :) |
| 16:09.12 | elmo40 | Ohmu: you should have a network repo in there, it would have asked for one when you did the net isntall. |
| 16:09.21 | acu | how can you install linux headers |
| 16:09.30 | elmo40 | just remove the # in front of it, and add the # in front of the CD |
| 16:09.31 | abrotman | acu: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 16:09.31 | asg | acu: install build-essential |
| 16:09.44 | wols | acu: what for? |
| 16:09.58 | huck_2000 | netcardconfig isn't working for my pcmcia card... anyone else have any tips on getting my wireless working? |
| 16:10.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: http://paste.debian.net/42811 |
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| 16:10.39 | wols | huck_2000: netcardconfig? |
| 16:10.44 | asg | huck_2000: does 'iwlist wlan0 scan' show any APs? Does iwconfig even show your interface? |
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| 16:11.26 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 16:11.34 | acu | wols_ I am using muto's 2.6.23 kernel for debian on my laptop my Nvidia ge force does not work so I am trying to use envy |
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| 16:11.41 | acu | is such a pain |
| 16:11.55 | wols | acu: you won't get help here at all with envy |
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| 16:12.20 | Ohmu | aptitude says: Need to get 235MB/235MB of archives. After unpacking 4542kB will be used. |
| 16:12.22 | wols | and after you installed envy you probably won't get any help with your debian either anymore |
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| 16:12.30 | huck_2000 | wols: iwconfig says no wireless extensions. The driver is installed with ndiswrapper, the power light is on, but cannot get a link. iwlist wlan0 says unknowncommand wlan0 |
| 16:12.34 | Ohmu | huh? it gets 235 but only uses 4 1/2? |
| 16:12.43 | asg | Ohmu: it's overwriting existing binaries |
| 16:12.56 | wols | huck_2000: ifconfig -a. but I didn't ask you that |
| 16:13.00 | Ohmu | cool |
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| 16:13.16 | huck_2000 | wols: yea, sorry... I'll try that |
| 16:13.24 | huck_2000 | asg: I tried those without luck |
| 16:13.45 | huck_2000 | wols: ifconfig-a = wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:98:D8:46:B5 |
| 16:13.45 | huck_2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.45 | huck_2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.46 | huck_2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.46 | huck_2000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:13.50 | asg | huck_2000: if it doesn't show up in ifconfig -a, as wols suggested, then ndiswrapper is not working. Does 'dmesg' show a card init |
| 16:14.00 | elmo40 | such a no no... |
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| 16:14.36 | elmo40 | asg: it should also show in lspci, right? |
| 16:14.36 | huck_2000 | sorry about that |
| 16:14.50 | huck_2000 | i got kicked for pasting that in... |
| 16:14.54 | wols | elmo40: what should? |
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| 16:15.01 | asg | elmo40: it should but if ndiswrapper is working, he should see the init in dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 16:15.02 | elmo40 | wols: his wifi card |
| 16:15.18 | wols | no. but lspcmcia will show it |
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| 16:15.24 | elmo40 | ah yes, laptop... |
| 16:15.42 | wols | lspci will show pcmcia controllers tho |
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| 16:16.02 | huck_2000 | wols: elmo40: the card shows up in lspci |
| 16:16.06 | elmo40 | btw, what is hald for? i get errors when i apt-get upgrade, and i dont know what to do about it. |
| 16:16.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out? http://paste.debian.net/42811 |
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| 16:16.28 | acu | wols_ : thanks - I need to make my computer usefull - and have no Ideea how to overcome this basic things - obviously I tried some dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg so far only vesa gets me into some gui nothing else - |
| 16:16.28 | DustyBin | my root password doesnt work on mysql, anyone know how to reset it? |
| 16:16.39 | wols | elmo40: you shouldn't run sid |
| 16:16.41 | crptx | hi |
| 16:16.55 | Eulex | wols, lspci has always showed actual pcmcia cards here. both on my old and new laptop. |
| 16:17.03 | vicovni | hi, after install linux-patch-bootsplash deb package, how I apply this? |
| 16:17.09 | wols | Eulex: not my acx100 based card |
| 16:17.12 | Eulex | "04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)" <--- pcmcia card |
| 16:17.17 | wols | could be cardbus vs pcmcia |
| 16:17.22 | asg | DustyBin: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 16:17.23 | elmo40 | wols: oh... so can i remove it? |
| 16:17.28 | Eulex | perhaps |
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| 16:17.40 | Eulex | ah, right, this one is cardbus |
| 16:17.45 | Eulex | I'll check the other one |
| 16:17.52 | wols | Eulex: you could do whatever you want |
| 16:18.00 | yim | hi everyone |
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| 16:18.52 | Eulex | wols, *shrug*, the other one (an rtl8180, labelled as pc card) shows too |
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| 16:19.35 | yim | have any bandswitch controler debian? anyone know about this? help:) |
| 16:19.50 | wols | !wondershaper |
| 16:19.50 | dpkg | it has been said that wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 16:20.19 | plb | I hate every IRC channel but #debian |
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| 16:20.51 | wols | I guess we cacnel each other out |
| 16:21.17 | wols | Eulex: could be cause my pcmcia controller is very very old (p2 300 lappy...) |
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| 16:21.30 | elmo40 | wols: no, you add with plb to make a whole ;) |
| 16:21.49 | spal | (plb union wols) hate all channels |
| 16:21.51 | yim | ok u tell me learn about !wondershaper? to ontrol bandswitch? |
| 16:22.06 | Eulex | wols, my old laptop is a p2 300 too! :) |
| 16:22.29 | yim | to irc is good |
| 16:22.44 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:22.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:23.01 | yim | 10x |
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| 16:23.13 | polishpaul_ | Hey fellas, where can i configure the network interfaces? i need to bind some IP's to my nic... |
| 16:23.18 | wols | yim: best go to #debian-es or #debian-br (whatever people in .ar speak). |
| 16:23.28 | abrotman | polishpaul_: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:23.34 | yim | ok |
| 16:23.35 | wols | abrotman: two idiots, same thought? *g* |
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| 16:23.50 | wols | but you type faster |
| 16:23.51 | spal | polishpaul_: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:23.51 | polishpaul_ | abrotman, awesome |
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| 16:26.30 | plb | As soon as I say I'm using debian in 95% of the irc channels I get mocked :-( |
| 16:27.43 | xingu | plb: when you get old and grumpy, you learn that being right is more rewarding than being popular |
| 16:28.23 | plb | xingu: It's just really annoying that they'd rather blame the distro than help with the problem |
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| 16:29.11 | abrotman | xingu: you don't have to be old for that :) |
| 16:29.44 | xingu | abrotman: took a while to beat it into my thick skull |
| 16:29.56 | yim | #debian-es have only 76 users and anybody respond common anyone can help with bandswith control under debian or any unix like os plz |
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| 16:30.08 | asg | yim: check lartc.org |
| 16:30.11 | Nyle | plb: there are some who call me elitist cuz i use debian |
| 16:30.26 | Nyle | they think debian is for the 'elite asshole' |
| 16:30.26 | yim | 10x asg |
| 16:30.41 | mikes_ | i have problem with the euro sign. i have Option "XkbVariant" ",extended" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but i cannot type it. layout en,gr . any idea? |
| 16:30.46 | Nyle | if you really want to thank someone, at least take the time out to properly type 'thanks' |
| 16:30.50 | Nyle | just a thought |
| 16:31.10 | up365 | Nyle, a nation of sheep ;) |
| 16:31.25 | Nyle | in other words, you are saying that "i know you're taking your time to help me solve my problem, but I'm too lazy to say thanks, so here take a 10x |
| 16:31.28 | Nyle | wtf is that |
| 16:31.35 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 16:32.33 | radius | the irony - and you type w/e ;p |
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| 16:33.01 | Nyle | like w/? |
| 16:33.06 | Nyle | or &? |
| 16:33.08 | asg | !qotd58 |
| 16:33.08 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
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| 16:33.38 | Ohmu | :] |
| 16:33.42 | vjt | :D |
| 16:33.45 | Nyle | but one thing has nothing to do with another |
| 16:33.57 | Ohmu | humz0rz |
| 16:34.07 | Nyle | I suppose how you say thanks is the magnitude of your gratitude? |
| 16:34.18 | Nyle | 10x means ok whatever thanks for the help |
| 16:34.25 | plb | Ok.. so my users want a bunch of perl modules that don't have debianized packages.. in the past I just used CPAN to compile and install them but this recently led to trouble... is there a recommended procedure or something for install non-debianized perl modules? |
| 16:34.27 | Nyle | while thanks means, hey thanks a lot man, I sppreciate your help |
| 16:34.36 | Nyle | I'm thinking too much, I now go to lay down |
| 16:34.49 | \amethyst | plb: dh-make-perl |
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| 16:35.20 | plb | awesome, thanks \amesthyst |
| 16:35.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me what's wrong here? http://paste.debian.net/42814 |
| 16:35.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to get this device to work: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=2543 |
| 16:36.13 | plb | Dark_apostrophe are linux sources installed? |
| 16:36.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | plb: I think so |
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| 16:36.28 | spal | Dark_Apostrophe: lots of header files missing |
| 16:37.18 | plb | is there the /usr/src/linux symlink? |
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| 16:37.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | plb: Yes |
| 16:38.59 | plb | hrm... have you checked to see if those headers are present? |
| 16:39.03 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: modversions.h existed in older kernel versions |
| 16:39.11 | wols | the code you try to compile is old? |
| 16:39.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Points to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-amd64 |
| 16:39.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: That's the driver that page pointed to |
| 16:39.40 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: it looks like linux-2.4 driver source superficially |
| 16:39.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: I tried the ov51x and the ov51x-jpeg drivers too |
| 16:39.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | they didn't work |
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| 16:40.15 | plb | Dark_Apostrophe the site makes comments about having to patch their code for 2.6 |
| 16:40.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, I didn't notice that |
| 16:40.28 | wols | "Last edited onTue, 06 Apr 2004 15:57:42 +0200" |
| 16:40.28 | plb | http://nw802.sourceforge.net/news.html |
| 16:40.30 | wols | any more questions? |
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| 16:40.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: It's an ancient webcam |
| 16:40.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: It's only natural that it has ancient drivers :p |
| 16:40.51 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: have you fetched the cvs source tree? |
| 16:40.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
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| 16:40.59 | xingu | ... |
| 16:41.12 | plb | Dark_Apostrophe yeah try the CVS version... |
| 16:41.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
| 16:41.25 | plb | although it hasn't been updated since 3/1/07 |
| 16:42.06 | plb | Curiously the sourceforge page says the final release was made in 2003 |
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| 16:42.36 | xingu | nothing curious about abandonware on sourceforget |
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| 16:43.28 | plb | I just find it odd that they say "last" release in 2003 yet are still working on it as of 3/1/2007 |
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| 16:44.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | plb: Still fails |
| 16:44.44 | minus198 | Hi there.. How do I configure apache? I can't view it from outside the network.. It works if I do: "http://192.168.0.254" but not if I do it with: "http://minus.is-a-geek.org". SSH from outside the network works.. |
| 16:45.06 | picard_pwns_kirk | minus198: do you have port forwarding set up? |
| 16:45.19 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, ow.. maybe not :3 |
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| 16:46.23 | minus198 | thank you picard_pwns_kirk.. Im retarded or something xD |
| 16:46.40 | picard_pwns_kirk | minus198: I've been known to do that many times :) |
| 16:47.17 | vy | I need to start ipw3945d daemon to get my ipw3945 wireless nic load. I prepared a init.d/ipw3945d script for it. But I couldn't figure out in which level I should place this file into rc?.d to get it loaded before init.d/networking script. Any ideas? |
| 16:47.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, new error: |
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| 16:47.26 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, I just have one more question: Why does it automatically redirect to /apache2-default/, And how do I change it? |
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| 16:47.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/42816 |
| 16:47.49 | xingu | vy: apt-get install ipw3945d |
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| 16:47.51 | picard_pwns_kirk | minus198: stand by |
| 16:47.56 | xingu | vy: contains its very own init script... |
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| 16:48.27 | picard_pwns_kirk | minus198: go to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 16:48.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu? plb? |
| 16:48.42 | vy | xingu: It doesn't exist in stable etch. |
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| 16:49.04 | picard_pwns_kirk | minus198: change DocumentRoot to /var/www |
| 16:49.23 | vy | Hrm... in non-free. |
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| 16:49.34 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: ln -sf lines in the makefile are suspect |
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| 16:49.42 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: ... and failing as you're nonroot |
| 16:49.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh |
| 16:49.54 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: issue the same 2x ln's as uid=1 |
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| 16:49.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I didn't realize I had to be root to compile it |
| 16:49.57 | xingu | uid=0 |
| 16:50.06 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, it is already that.. But I se another thing, RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ |
| 16:50.17 | minus198 | I guess I need to remove that.. |
| 16:50.24 | picard_pwns_kirk | comment it out |
| 16:50.24 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: you shouldn't, the make rules are a bit bogus. |
| 16:50.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Still getting the error, even while compiling it as root |
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| 16:51.00 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: is it still issuing the ln -sf lines when you try making as root? |
| 16:51.15 | HyperDevil | is it smart to do this? /etc/hosts.deny ALL: ALL /etc/hosts.allow ALL: 10.0.1.* will this work? |
| 16:51.20 | Eclipser | how can I change my gtk global default font size? |
| 16:51.28 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, Thanks :3 |
| 16:51.38 | picard_pwns_kirk | no problem |
| 16:51.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: http://paste.debian.net/42818 |
| 16:52.02 | xingu | HyperDevil: better to use 10.0.1.0/255.255.255.0 or 10.0.1.0/24 |
| 16:52.26 | HyperDevil | xingu: why is that actually? |
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| 16:52.57 | troythetechguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.50 | hoxu | troythetechguy, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ ? :p |
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| 16:54.07 | vy | xingu: There is just firmware and daemon packages in non-free. Isn't there any package for kernel module also? |
| 16:54.12 | xingu | HyperDevil: former is a glob on the address as a string literal; latter tests ip address as a masked numeric |
| 16:54.19 | minus198 | troythetechguy, I just set up apache2 for the first time too.. My tip is to google for: "how setup apache debian" or something, and you will have some guides :) |
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| 16:54.26 | xingu | vy: m-a a-i ipw3945 |
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| 16:54.45 | HyperDevil | xingu: thanks, so here i go :) |
| 16:55.00 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: does /home/darkapostrophe/downloads/nw802-2.4/usbvideo.h exist? |
| 16:55.12 | troythetechguy | Thanks all for the recommendations. |
| 16:55.27 | vy | xingu: Thanks. |
| 16:55.32 | troythetechguy | minus198, Did you find the configuration fairly simple? |
| 16:55.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: yes |
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| 16:56.04 | minus198 | troythetechguy, well.. Yeah, but I needed some help from this channel though.. |
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| 16:56.53 | _xenonex__ | hello |
| 16:57.09 | sysop2 | I know this is not #kde, but I have a kdm question. what timeout do I set to allow kdm to stay open longer. if I switch to a new session in kde it will only stay on the login screen for a 1 minute or 2 before closing and switching back to my main kde session. |
| 16:57.14 | troythetechguy | minus198, Do I need to restart apache when ever I make a configuration change? |
| 16:57.15 | sysop2 | hi _xenonex__ |
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| 16:57.46 | minus198 | troythetechguy, Yes. You do that by doing: "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" |
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| 16:58.11 | minus198 | troythetechguy, it reboots in seconds. |
| 16:58.12 | vy | xingu: You sure there exists ipw3945 module? "m-a a-i ipw3945" tells me "ipw3945, what is ipw3945?". |
| 16:58.18 | minus198 | troythetechguy, restarts* |
| 16:58.24 | troythetechguy | minus198, Thanks. |
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| 16:58.43 | HyperDevil | xingu: do i need to restart something after editing the files? |
| 16:58.48 | xingu | vy: m-a prepare; m-a update; m-a a-i build ipw3945 |
| 16:58.51 | zinx | vy: it exists, perhaps not in the release you're using |
| 16:59.21 | xingu | HyperDevil: probably; some daemons parse it once, at coldstart; reboot if you want to be sure they all have. |
| 16:59.36 | xenonex | do you know how to make analog for freebsd's mount suiddir feature? |
| 16:59.44 | vy | zinx: It seems so. Anyway, thanks. |
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| 17:00.11 | xingu | vy: m-a will build it, if you let it. |
| 17:00.30 | s4xxon | when adding a new ethernet card on my system, will debian detect it automatically or i will need to do a procedure ? its a realtek one. |
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| 17:00.48 | vy | xingu: It still couldn't recognize ipw3945. |
| 17:01.02 | \amethyst | s4xxon: adding or replacing? |
| 17:01.18 | s4xxon | well adding. there was no ethernet on it |
| 17:01.19 | zinx | vy: which release *are* you using? |
| 17:01.27 | xingu | vy: you might need to install ipw3945-source |
| 17:01.43 | zinx | xingu: m-a will grab it automatically |
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| 17:01.49 | vy | zinx: etch stable (main non-free) |
| 17:01.59 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, Can you help me with some more configuring? Safety configurations. |
| 17:02.00 | zinx | !info ipw3945-source etch |
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| 17:02.21 | zinx | vy: i think it's in contrib |
| 17:02.26 | vy | Yeah. I get it. |
| 17:02.50 | dpkg | ipw3945-source: (Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 1.1.2-7 (etch), Packaged size: 160 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 17:03.05 | zinx | vy: there's also "iwlwifi" drivers, which don't appear to be in debian yet (dunno why), but do work with your card |
| 17:03.37 | zinx | vy: there at intellinuxwireless.org, but are harder to compile as they aren't nicely packaged, and actually require the kernel source package |
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| 17:04.54 | darkapostrophe | xingu: Now what? |
| 17:05.04 | vy | zinx: xingu: Thanks for your kindly help. I get it working. |
| 17:05.12 | xingu | np |
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| 17:06.24 | mesut | hi,i screwed some confs in /etc/php5 and /etc/apache2 how do i restore them to default states ? |
| 17:06.30 | zarac | what package does named come with? |
| 17:06.32 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm, the makefile is busted; it needs a -I directive to include /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/drivers/media/video/usbvideo/ as an include path. |
| 17:07.15 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: sorry, a bit preoccupied here, but that's the nub of it; the clue's in "Entering directory ..." then "error: usbvideo.h: No such file..." |
| 17:08.13 | darkapostrophe | xingu: It can't find usbvideo.h? What directory is it looking in? |
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| 17:09.05 | picard_pwns_kirk | minus198: what kind? |
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| 17:09.43 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, I don't know really. Just make it "hacker" safe xD |
| 17:09.55 | norc | If I want to download a file using wget, but the filename of the file that is send by the httpd is different than the ending of the URI, is there a way to configure wget so it uses that name? |
| 17:09.57 | picard_pwns_kirk | it should already be hacker safe |
| 17:10.04 | minus198 | ok :) |
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| 17:10.29 | norc | (for example http://foo/bar gives me quux.tar, and I dont want it to be saved under bar but quux.tar) |
| 17:10.58 | norc | I have been looking through the documentation, but I havent found anything useful yet |
| 17:11.18 | abrotman | norc: change the output file name |
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| 17:12.02 | xingu | damn, what's the name of the tool for creating dummy packages that satisfy dependancies |
| 17:12.10 | Ohmu | is it easier to embed a youtube video on ur website, or to play it straight from the website? |
| 17:12.15 | \amethyst | xingu: equivs |
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| 17:12.25 | xingu | a beer for that man, waitress |
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| 17:12.37 | norc | abrotman: I dont know the file names at that point.. |
| 17:12.46 | abrotman | oh |
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| 17:12.59 | tralala | dpkg, say I ain't no stinkin' waitress |
| 17:12.59 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' waitress |
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| 17:13.33 | darkapostrophe | xingu: Sorry to nag, but what, specifically, do I need to change to make this work? Sorry if I'm failing to see something obvious... |
| 17:13.53 | norc | abrotman: I have a mirror with hundreds of files, the only way to access them is via http (foo.org/download/120 foo.org/download/121 .. etc, which is perfectly legal in this case btw) |
| 17:14.17 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: you need to find the INClude flags line and add in -I/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/drivers/media/video/usbvideo |
| 17:14.35 | darkapostrophe | In makefile? |
| 17:14.37 | norc | well, I could set mozilla to automatically save it, write a script that iterates through the numbers and lets firefox open the links |
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| 17:15.58 | norc | well no |
| 17:16.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: In makefile? |
| 17:16.23 | norc | not exactly an option, because the numbers are not sequential |
| 17:16.28 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, If I want to add a wildcard, let say: "dump.mydomain.com". What do I do? |
| 17:16.37 | picard_pwns_kirk | I dunno |
| 17:16.44 | minus198 | picard_pwns_kirk, ok :/ |
| 17:16.44 | picard_pwns_kirk | never done that |
| 17:16.46 | norc | abrotman: is there any wget alternative? |
| 17:16.49 | norc | (and dont name curl pls) |
| 17:16.52 | abrotman | curl |
| 17:18.23 | norc | I dont think curl will do the job |
| 17:18.26 | norc | but Im reading the man right now |
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| 17:18.34 | norc | cant hurt to learn more about unix tools :| |
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| 17:19.40 | norc | abrotman: Ah, I could dump the header and parse the filename from it |
| 17:19.48 | norc | thats an acceptable solution |
| 17:20.00 | abrotman | see! |
| 17:20.07 | norc | but curl has some nice features |
| 17:20.18 | norc | likehttp://any.org/archive[1996-1999]/vol[1-4]/part{a,b,c}.html |
| 17:20.20 | norc | :) |
| 17:20.27 | norc | this is really nice candy |
| 17:20.29 | abrotman | i thought wget could do that too |
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| 17:21.01 | norc | well, they didnt brag about it in the manual then |
| 17:21.25 | xingu | norc: wget, --output-document ? |
| 17:21.39 | norc | xingu: what does that do? |
| 17:21.44 | norc | cant find it in my wget man |
| 17:22.03 | jelly-home | xingu: he doesn't know the name in advance |
| 17:22.17 | xingu | jelly-home: he must do, he knows the uri's... |
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| 17:22.27 | jelly-home | norc: don't look at man. GNU utilities docs are info |
| 17:22.28 | norc | xingu: yes, but the filename is in the response header |
| 17:22.43 | norc | jelly-home: yeah, but I dont know how to navigate in info >:> |
| 17:22.45 | xingu | norc: but that's the one you want to junk, yeah? |
| 17:22.51 | jelly-home | xingu: wget http://foo/bar -> filename gets to be baz.tar |
| 17:23.09 | xingu | hmm |
| 17:23.15 | norc | and that baz.tar is just mentioned in the http response header |
| 17:23.29 | xingu | sounds busted, to not have that as the default behaviour |
| 17:23.33 | norc | but since curl can dump the header in an external file I can parse that, problem solved |
| 17:23.33 | jelly-home | wget just doesn't handle that. I'd say file a bug, but that doesn't solve the problem at hand |
| 17:23.36 | xingu | write a patch :) |
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| 17:24.07 | xingu | norc: wget --server-response, likewise. |
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| 17:24.23 | jelly-home | you can get the headers with wget too. or with LWP's HEAD |
| 17:24.30 | norc | xingu: yeah, but then wget doesnt have this nice feature for ranges in the URI |
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| 17:25.08 | norc | let me just mix ruby with bash and unix tools.. to cook some nice dinner |
| 17:26.02 | xingu | so what happens if the remote tells you that actually you're retrieving /dev/nvidia, or something equally nasty? |
| 17:26.26 | tremby | will my debian lenny update to the 2.6.23 kernel when it's available, given that i have the linux-image-2.6-686 package installed? any idea when it will be available? |
| 17:26.26 | norc | xingu: I implicitly trust the owner of that mirror ;) |
| 17:26.49 | norc | xingu: besides, that requires the knowledge of how my script works. for all you know I could escape all special characters ;) |
| 17:27.02 | xingu | norc: or base the paths under a quantified root |
| 17:27.05 | polishpaul_ | so /etc/network/interfaces is the same as RHEL /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 ? |
| 17:27.06 | abrotman | tremby: yes |
| 17:27.10 | jelly-home | tremby: 1. probably (I ought to). 2. no idea. |
| 17:27.13 | norc | xingu: that as well |
| 17:27.17 | jelly-home | s/I/it/ |
| 17:27.24 | Jyzygzy- | how do i see who has connected to my DHCP server? |
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| 17:28.13 | tremby | the 2.6.23's supposed to have support for my wireless network card, which i haven't been able to get working manually. is it possible to manually install the new kernel? is there an idiot's guide you can recommend? |
| 17:28.14 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: you mean which ip addresses have ben leased out? |
| 17:28.20 | HyperDevil | i got php4 installed and the module is enabled in apache2.. still no php pages are created.. what could be wrong? |
| 17:28.26 | abrotman | !tell tremby about kp |
| 17:28.28 | abrotman | !tell tremby about kp mantra |
| 17:28.31 | minus198 | How do I make a "<thing>.mydomain.org"? I want a "dump.mydomain.org". |
| 17:28.33 | tremby | thanks |
| 17:28.37 | Jyzygzy- | jelly-home sure |
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| 17:28.47 | Jyzygzy- | the ones that are connecting to internet trought me |
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| 17:29.02 | Jyzygzy- | and have taken an IP-address with DHCP |
| 17:29.05 | troythetechguy | how do I make sure my debian distro has all the latest updates, using cli? |
| 17:29.05 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: if you're using dhcp3-server, /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases |
| 17:29.26 | Jyzygzy- | how do i know what im using? |
| 17:29.31 | norc | actually wget is better in my case |
| 17:29.39 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: you use what you installed. |
| 17:29.42 | polishpaul_ | for network interface configuration is /etc/network/interfaces is the same as RHEL /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 ? |
| 17:29.49 | Jyzygzy- | don't remember |
| 17:30.01 | Jyzygzy- | can i do: find / -name leases |
| 17:30.03 | abrotman | polishpaul_: i don't think it's exactly the same |
| 17:30.08 | abrotman | polishpaul_: man 5 interfaces |
| 17:30.25 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: look at the list of installed packages and serach for dhcp. |
| 17:30.27 | HyperDevil | i got php4 installed and the module is enabled in apache2.. still no php pages are created.. what could be wrong? |
| 17:30.53 | Jyzygzy- | man the old computer is slow searcher |
| 17:30.56 | abrotman | HyperDevil: how did you install php4 ? |
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| 17:31.07 | Jyzygzy- | found it |
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| 17:31.41 | Jyzygzy- | jelly-home yes i have someone here who i don't want |
| 17:31.41 | HyperDevil | abrotman: apt-get install mod-apache2-php4 |
| 17:31.50 | Jyzygzy- | jelly-home can i kick someone out? |
| 17:31.53 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 17:31.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:31.59 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: no. |
| 17:32.04 | Jyzygzy- | what? |
| 17:32.07 | Jyzygzy- | can i null route him? |
| 17:32.13 | Jyzygzy- | i don't want him to use my internet |
| 17:32.16 | Jyzygzy- | hes taking all the bandwidth |
| 17:32.17 | HyperDevil | abrotman: libapache2-mod-php4 is already the newest version. |
| 17:32.31 | abrotman | HyperDevil: what happens when you try to load a php page ? |
| 17:32.52 | HyperDevil | abrotman: my browser downlaods the php file |
| 17:33.05 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: if your machine is also the router for that network, you can do it, but dhcp doesn't have anything to do with it. |
| 17:33.05 | abrotman | HyperDevil: clear your browser cache and restart it |
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| 17:33.32 | HyperDevil | abrotman: some problem |
| 17:33.37 | HyperDevil | same |
| 17:33.40 | troythetechguy | Does anyone know the command for getting and installing the latest updates? |
| 17:33.43 | Jyzygzy- | jelly-home yea im the router |
| 17:33.55 | Jyzygzy- | and i don't want to route one |
| 17:33.58 | abrotman | troythetechguy: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 17:34.00 | Decepticon__ | what does gnome desktop do when it auto detects a new hdd plugin, and mounting of the partition to a folder, and creating a icon on the desktop ... in terms of cli commands? |
| 17:34.03 | Decepticon__ | i want to be able to do the above without having to startx... |
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| 17:34.11 | troythetechguy | abrotman, Thanks. |
| 17:34.12 | Jyzygzy- | can i drop him somehow? |
| 17:34.14 | cluck | hi |
| 17:34.41 | abrotman | HyperDevil: a2enmod php4 ? |
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| 17:35.07 | cluck | anyone can help me with the plone-site package? |
| 17:35.09 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: disconnect his line? change the wireless settings? |
| 17:35.12 | HyperDevil | abrotman: This module is already enabled! |
| 17:35.20 | fas3r | what's the protocol for dhcp fur use with tcpdump ? |
| 17:35.26 | abrotman | HyperDevil: can you try another browser ? |
| 17:35.48 | HyperDevil | abrotman: IE7: same problem |
| 17:35.53 | Jyzygzy- | not wireless |
| 17:36.02 | Jyzygzy- | i wanna disconnect him |
| 17:36.03 | fas3r | it's just i don't understand the server receive the request but i don't know go the reply ? |
| 17:36.07 | fas3r | ..* |
| 17:36.07 | Jyzygzy- | not route his packets |
| 17:36.29 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: the easiest thing to do is to disconnect the machine. |
| 17:36.37 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: physically. |
| 17:36.39 | Jyzygzy- | with what command? |
| 17:36.44 | Jyzygzy- | no i don't have physical access |
| 17:36.50 | Jyzygzy- | the door is locked |
| 17:36.54 | norc | erm.. wget prints all output to stderr? |
| 17:36.56 | abrotman | HyperDevil: is this a public server that i can reach ? |
| 17:37.04 | nvz | doors have hinges |
| 17:37.04 | Jyzygzy- | i could do this with iptables |
| 17:37.07 | Jyzygzy- | couldn't i |
| 17:37.08 | nvz | hinges come off |
| 17:37.08 | HyperDevil | abrotman: the server is internal.. |
| 17:37.11 | norc | or no wait.. |
| 17:37.12 | norc | I get it :| |
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| 17:37.15 | norc | I want curl |
| 17:37.19 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: yes |
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| 17:37.36 | HyperDevil | abrotman: the source from the HTML is php code, so apache2 does not call php4 or php4 is just lazy |
| 17:37.46 | abrotman | HyperDevil: make sure the AddType lines are there for php in the php4.conf .. and also make sure apache as restarted |
| 17:37.56 | Jyzygzy- | yea |
| 17:37.59 | Jyzygzy- | iptables! |
| 17:38.03 | jelly-home | umm, shouldn't that be AddHandler? |
| 17:38.05 | Jyzygzy- | we need to make a drop rule |
| 17:38.16 | Jyzygzy- | everything coming from 192.168.0.198 is gonna be dropped |
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| 17:38.23 | Jyzygzy- | that should do the trick |
| 17:38.30 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: you don't have to think out load |
| 17:38.36 | jelly-home | loud* |
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| 17:40.40 | HyperDevil | abrotman: AddType does not excist in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 17:40.49 | HyperDevil | abrotman: apache2 is already restarted |
| 17:41.00 | abrotman | HyperDevil: it wouldn't exist there .. i said it was php4.conf and it really is |
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| 17:41.25 | abrotman | HyperDevil: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf .. i think |
| 17:41.38 | HyperDevil | abrotman: yes AddType is there and enabled |
| 17:42.10 | Eulex | HyperDevil, did you do a force-reload of apache2? |
| 17:42.35 | HyperDevil | abrotman: no a full stop, and a full start.. no reload or restart |
| 17:42.53 | norc | xingu, abrotman: `curl #{uri + i.to_s} > #{$1}` if `curl -I #{uri + i.to_s}` =~ /filename="(.+)"/ |
| 17:42.56 | HyperDevil | Eulex i meant ;) |
| 17:42.58 | abrotman | HyperDevil: sounds like it should all be fine |
| 17:43.07 | norc | (ruby code) |
| 17:43.33 | Eulex | HyperDevil, checked your apache logs? |
| 17:43.45 | HyperDevil | abrotman: yes it does sound fine.. still the data is not parsed by php4, logfiles do not give any error message |
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| 17:44.17 | Jyzygzy- | how do you save aliases? |
| 17:44.23 | abrotman | HyperDevil: try a different PHP page |
| 17:44.30 | Jyzygzy- | i want autosave to alias command |
| 17:44.34 | Jyzygzy- | whenever i make alias it saves it |
| 17:44.51 | HyperDevil | abrotman: <php phpinfo(); ?> does not even work |
| 17:45.01 | Decepticon__ | Jyzygzy-: put them in your .bashrc then |
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| 17:47.27 | HyperDevil | abrotman: after a reboot it is working now.. WEIRD.. |
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| 17:48.53 | abrotman | sounds like he hadn't actually restarted apache ... but whatever |
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| 17:50.19 | acu | I have a AMD TurionX2 64 Laptop 2Gb RAM - with 17" WXGA+ amd mVidia GE Force 7150M Card (shares memory with the system)- I used Debian etch kernel 2.6.23 (muto's backport) - I cannot make it work except choosing vesa (not nv or nvidia) - and it gives me 1024X768 max resolution - I want to make it 1440X900 ( I have changed the Xorg.conf for screen by adding the resolution but still I cannot see that choice) - can anyone help me to get 1440X900 ? |
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| 17:51.55 | norc | Aren't the boolean operators in programming just syntactic sugar, to avoid using if clauses? |
| 17:52.04 | multi_io | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/aptitude-hell.txt |
| 17:52.04 | norc | This idea just crossed my mind |
| 17:52.25 | \amethyst | norc: More or less |
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| 17:53.15 | norc | acu: sorry, you have too much ram to get it working |
| 17:53.37 | norc | acu: are you, by accident, on testing or stable? |
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| 17:54.03 | dude__ | hello, can someone help http://rafb.net/p/aednxu15.html |
| 17:55.14 | xingu | norc: everything beyond test, set, and branch is sugar. |
| 17:55.19 | xingu | norc: but sugar is nummy |
| 17:56.10 | acu | norc: I am using stable - however I use the kernel 2.6.23 from muto's site (as I have a Nvidia Nforce networking controler which is not recognised by the 2.6.18 kernel which comes with etch r1 |
| 17:56.39 | dude__ | acu, which chip? |
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| 17:57.29 | acu | dude__ I have an AMD Turion X2 TL-58 1.9 Mghz --- for Nvidia is GEforce 7150M |
| 17:57.49 | dude__ | acu, what network chip? |
| 17:57.52 | norc | acu: do you really think the amount of ram and the clock frequency of your cpu matters? |
| 17:57.59 | Jyzygzy- | iptables -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.0.195 -p tcp -j DNAT --to-destination 64.111.96.38 |
| 17:58.03 | Jyzygzy- | why isnt this working? |
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| 17:58.29 | acu | norc: of course I hope no |
| 17:58.42 | stew | Jyzygzy-: becuase PREROUTING is in the nat table, not the filter table which is the default table |
| 17:58.50 | Jyzygzy- | what |
| 17:58.56 | Jyzygzy- | i don't undestand |
| 17:59.00 | Jyzygzy- | then what do i need to use? |
| 17:59.01 | norc | acu: then why do you keep mentioning total trivial facts that only imply that you want to show off ;) |
| 17:59.07 | stew | Jyzygzy-: -t nat |
| 17:59.11 | dude__ | acu i'am using lenny 2.6.22.3, i also have an nvidia nforce chip |
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| 17:59.22 | stew | norc: please just ignore the facts you don't think are relevant and move on |
| 17:59.29 | dude__ | i couldnt get mine to work either with etch 2.6.18 |
| 17:59.30 | _Alix | I have a 10ghz amd 9core lenny cpu and I can't get it to start |
| 17:59.37 | Jyzygzy- | stew didn't work |
| 17:59.43 | stew | Jyzygzy-: be more specific |
| 17:59.49 | Jyzygzy- | i replaced -A PREROUTING with -t nat |
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| 17:59.53 | acu | norc: but since the kernel is built for AMD 64 - that might have importance |
| 17:59.57 | netgear | anyone here use Option Globetrotter GT MAX 7.2 Ready PCMCIA Card> |
| 18:00.03 | stew | Jyzygzy-: why? |
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| 18:00.09 | acu | dude_ what graphics card do you have |
| 18:00.11 | Jyzygzy- | you said so? |
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| 18:00.20 | abrotman | netgear: no .. but it sounds damn cool! |
| 18:00.46 | netgear | i got debian installs now and need to find correct driver before installing - only have one pc |
| 18:00.49 | multi_io | does anybody except (maybe) the authors really understand how aptitude works? |
| 18:00.54 | Jyzygzy- | so what now? |
| 18:00.54 | acu | norc: there are systems at least 5 times more powerfull than what I have - no contest to show off - I need badly to get the system running and I need help |
| 18:00.57 | troythetechguy | from the command line, how do I reboot the computer? |
| 18:01.16 | Eulex | troythetechguy, 'reboot' |
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| 18:01.38 | troythetechguy | Eulex, re-start |
| 18:01.47 | dude__ | acu, ATI radeoan X1950GT super |
| 18:02.05 | Eulex | troythetechguy, I just gave you the command. |
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| 18:02.07 | dude__ | 512 memory. 650 clock |
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| 18:02.26 | dude__ | its ok, not bad |
| 18:02.28 | inFw | Hello. I've got a sarge system running, I'd like to know where I can find info on upgrading it to etch, what sources.list I should use if I upgrade it and otherwise. Also, are the risk of doing a full-system upgrade very high that something will go wrong? |
| 18:02.29 | stew | Jyzygzy-: you want to add something to the PREROUTING chain. and the prerouting chain is in the nat table. in your first line, you didn't specify the table you were trying to edit, and the default table is the filter table, which doesn't have a POSTROUTING chain |
| 18:02.38 | troythetechguy | Eulex, I tried that, and it says command not found. |
| 18:02.38 | abrotman | netgear: might help to tell us what it is |
| 18:02.47 | Eulex | troythetechguy, you need to be root. |
| 18:02.53 | netgear | its a hsdpa card |
| 18:02.58 | Daveman | :] |
| 18:03.00 | troythetechguy | Eulex, Oh, that explains it. Thanks. |
| 18:03.06 | norc | troythetechguy: shutdown -r |
| 18:03.20 | norc | troythetechguy: or Crtl + Alt + Del from your console (that requires physical access) |
| 18:03.33 | norc | or nvm :) |
| 18:03.39 | abrotman | netgear: http://packages.debian.org/nozomi-source |
| 18:03.53 | netgear | abrotman - does that work? |
| 18:03.58 | Jyzygzy- | stew so= |
| 18:04.04 | abrotman | netgear: it's a URL .. yes |
| 18:04.06 | Jyzygzy- | i didn't understand any of that |
| 18:04.08 | Jyzygzy- | how do i fix it |
| 18:04.20 | abrotman | netgear: i googled "Globetrotter debian driver" .. and that's what i got |
| 18:04.28 | netgear | abrotman - if i have r4.0 r1 all 3 dvd's with update package dvd is it on those discs? |
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| 18:04.30 | troythetechguy | norc, I didn't know if it was safe to use ctrl + alt + del, but I guess it is. |
| 18:04.34 | acu | dude - you think lenny might deal better with nvidia Ge force graphics card |
| 18:04.36 | netgear | yes i had that too |
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| 18:04.58 | abrotman | netgear: not quite .. you'll have all the bits needed to install it .. but not that source package itself |
| 18:05.03 | netgear | that is why i was asking if anyone is using it to see if it works |
| 18:05.08 | norc | troythetechguy: it is :) |
| 18:05.12 | netgear | ok |
| 18:05.21 | abrotman | netgear: i live in the states .. what's 3G ? :) |
| 18:05.36 | netgear | :) |
| 18:05.44 | dude__ | inFw, http://rafb.net/p/FBudRu21.html |
| 18:05.52 | abrotman | netgear: so .. `aptitude install module-assistant` .. and then m-a prepare |
| 18:06.01 | Eulex | abrotman, 384kbit wireless internet |
| 18:06.06 | xingu | abrotman: the speed delta airlines achieve from 10k feet up, when the last engine goes |
| 18:06.10 | abrotman | Eulex: i know what it is l.. i was kidding |
| 18:06.37 | abrotman | Eulex: i was making a joke that in the states 3G is not very common |
| 18:06.43 | netgear | actually quite fast even here in africa |
| 18:06.52 | Eulex | abrotman, k |
| 18:07.14 | inFw | dude__, and I should just apt-get dist-upgrade after changing to that sources.list? |
| 18:07.23 | dude__ | yeah |
| 18:07.41 | abrotman | netgear: anyways .. once you do the m-a prepare .. grab http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nozomi/nozomi-source_2.1-2_all.deb |
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| 18:07.44 | Eulex | abrotman, EDGE is more common, there, right? |
| 18:07.47 | inFw | Okay, thanks dude__. |
| 18:07.55 | dude__ | inFw, remove uchicago.edu |
| 18:08.00 | dude__ | i forgot about that |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | netgear: then dpkg -i it .. then m-a a-i nozomi .. i think that will work for you |
| 18:08.05 | dude__ | its probably dead |
| 18:08.05 | abrotman | Eulex: yeah .. it still sucks :) |
| 18:08.06 | inFw | Okay |
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| 18:08.58 | netgear | abrotman, thanks , backing up then i will install and try it |
| 18:09.01 | abrotman | Eulex: it's like 200kbps or something |
| 18:09.09 | dude__ | inFw, hang on |
| 18:09.11 | abrotman | netgear: oh .. i thought you'd already installed |
| 18:09.12 | Jyzygzy- | is there a Graphical Rule Creator for IPTables?? |
| 18:09.20 | abrotman | vi |
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| 18:09.34 | stew | Jyzygzy-: fwbuilder |
| 18:09.45 | netgear | no, that is why i wanted to troubleshoot before i installed otherwise i need to reinstall win to have internet to fix problem :) |
| 18:09.49 | dude__ | inFw, thats the wrong one |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | netgear: http://www.pharscape.org/ |
| 18:10.18 | stew | inFw: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:10.33 | Jyzygzy- | ok! |
| 18:10.38 | Jyzygzy- | i hope it displays the command |
| 18:10.40 | stew | inFw: you don't want to just run dist-upgrade and you don't want to use apt-get |
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| 18:11.29 | fas3r | what's the protocol use for dhcp it's icmp ? |
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| 18:11.53 | jelly-home | fas3r: google doesn't help? |
| 18:11.54 | inFw | stew, thanks |
| 18:12.09 | fas3r | i don't go to see ^^ |
| 18:12.10 | stew | fas3r: udp |
| 18:12.50 | abrotman | netgear: that URL i gave you above .. you shold burn the driver to a CD before you remove windows |
| 18:12.53 | minus198 | Can someone explain how I set up subdomains? |
| 18:13.00 | abrotman | netgear: the one ending in .deb :) |
| 18:13.02 | minus198 | cant find any good guides |
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| 18:13.09 | netgear | abrotman, can we talk in prvt? |
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| 18:13.20 | abrotman | minus198: you mean like blah.domain.net ? |
| 18:13.25 | abrotman | netgear: i'd rather keep it in here ... |
| 18:13.31 | minus198 | abrotman, Yeah :) |
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| 18:13.43 | netgear | ok,just hard to keep track of what you type to me, but ok |
| 18:13.52 | abrotman | minus198: any basic DNS howto should cover that |
| 18:14.04 | abrotman | netgear: you can ask me to repeat anything i've said above if you can't find it |
| 18:14.05 | polishpaul_ | can i mix DHCP and STATIC in /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 18:14.10 | abrotman | netgear: or /lastlog abrotman |
| 18:14.15 | abrotman | polishpaul_: yes |
| 18:14.29 | cusco | Jyzygzy-: search for iptables front end |
| 18:14.37 | Jyzygzy- | ? |
| 18:14.40 | alys | Not having a CD burner (my rig is 'ancient') I thought I would install etch by downloading and using the two floppies - as described in the installation notes. Everything went well until I was confronted with a system prompt and I don't know what to do next? Any ideas, please? |
| 18:14.41 | Jyzygzy- | fwbuilder? |
| 18:14.47 | fas3r | it's just i don't understand see log of dhcp server it's send the reply but i don't know where it block |
| 18:14.58 | abrotman | alys: do you want X ? |
| 18:15.08 | alys | not necessarily... |
| 18:15.15 | abrotman | alys: so what would you like to do |
| 18:15.17 | netgear | the link you gave me on pharscape mentions that one needs to look at GT MAX 3.6 forum for details, I cant seem to find that forum on the page |
| 18:15.29 | dude__ | inFw, http://rafb.net/p/eXAC6b89.html |
| 18:15.46 | alys | I really want to know what I have to type to get the install to proceed... |
| 18:15.49 | abrotman | netgear: at the top |
| 18:15.57 | abrotman | alys: which prompt are you at ? |
| 18:16.17 | alys | I'm in sarge, now - I would have to install again to tell you - sorry. |
| 18:16.28 | netgear | thanks |
| 18:16.34 | abrotman | alys: if you want etch .. just dist-upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 18:16.44 | stew | uhh? |
| 18:16.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:17.07 | jelly-home | !seen tarzeau |
| 18:17.07 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian, last said: 'if i use exec() it checks PATH or not?'. |
| 18:17.08 | alys | abrotman: thanks - I'll do that. |
| 18:17.28 | stew | alys: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:17.38 | alys | stew: thanks |
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| 18:18.18 | Jyzygzy- | fwbuilder is too hard |
| 18:18.27 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 18:18.29 | zinx | jelly-home: i thought it was python |
| 18:18.47 | Jyzygzy- | so lets go back |
| 18:18.48 | jelly-home | zinx: okay then, an all package wise guy :-P |
| 18:18.50 | Jyzygzy- | iptables -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.0.195 -p tcp -j DNAT --to-destination 64.111.96.38 |
| 18:18.53 | Jyzygzy- | how do you fix that |
| 18:18.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: tarzeau won't make them because he doens't want to deal with the python policy or some crap |
| 18:19.06 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: ask #iptables |
| 18:19.11 | Jyzygzy- | they didn't know |
| 18:19.24 | stew | Jyzygzy-: i told you how to fix it |
| 18:19.27 | Jyzygzy- | they just knew that it needs "fixing" |
| 18:19.32 | Jyzygzy- | where |
| 18:19.39 | Jyzygzy- | i don't have hilighting |
| 18:19.44 | Jyzygzy- | i dind't see it |
| 18:20.04 | stew | Jyzygzy-: you are trying to edit the PREROUTING chain in the filter table, but there is no PREROUTING chain in the filter table, its in the nat table, so you have to specify it specifically |
| 18:20.04 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: /lastlog stew |
| 18:20.11 | Jyzygzy- | i don't have lastlog |
| 18:20.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: heh, third link on google is http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/bubnbros/ |
| 18:20.27 | Jyzygzy- | hmm so i have choose a table |
| 18:20.35 | abrotman | oh .. i thought he didn't want to make them |
| 18:20.38 | stew | Jyzygzy-: yes, you have to choose the nat table |
| 18:20.43 | Jyzygzy- | nice |
| 18:20.52 | zinx | abrotman: maybe he just doesn't want to make official ones :) |
| 18:21.05 | abrotman | zinx: he can't .. he's not a DD .. he has to get a sponsor |
| 18:21.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: is that just for kfreebsd ? |
| 18:21.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: who cares, there's a .diff.gz! |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 18:21.59 | zinx | dsc+diff.gz+orig'd |
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| 18:22.09 | jelly-home | ... but it's rather old. upstream is at 1.6 |
| 18:22.10 | zinx | you <3 dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:22.25 | netgear | abrotman, i wanted to ask another thing in advance - how well supported is screen export to eg. projector in linux? |
| 18:22.36 | zinx | netgear: depends on your video driver |
| 18:22.58 | netgear | ok |
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| 18:23.03 | wils0n_ | netgear, linux doesnt know anything about a projector. You just plug a projector into a VGA/DVI output |
| 18:23.46 | zinx | it does know about multiple outputs - so it's basically as well supported as pluging another monitor in is, for whatever your particular configuration is |
| 18:24.14 | zinx | or if you only need the projector, as well as a single monitor's supported (which tends to be quite well) |
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| 18:31.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Are you around? |
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| 18:33.54 | _SKiTZO | im having trouble getting lighttpd + php5 + sqlite + pdo work properly. so far i have lighttpd running php5 perfectly as fastcgi |
| 18:34.14 | _SKiTZO | i have also verified tha sqlite3 is included in the php config |
| 18:34.34 | _SKiTZO | BUT whenever i try to open a sqlite database i get an exception "could not find driver" |
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| 18:34.44 | _SKiTZO | any help on this is much appreciated!" |
| 18:35.01 | _SKiTZO | i suspect im missing some sort of php_pdo_sqlite.so file |
| 18:35.10 | _SKiTZO | the link between sqlite and pdo |
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| 18:35.44 | torrrrr | say is there a driver or something for using a flash memory as disk, that has the algorithm that prevents wearing off ? |
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| 18:36.23 | ebil | I'm trying to get the fglrx drivers working, here's what happens: they load up, but when I check fglrxinfo, it says I'm still using the MESA drivers. also, I have no XV, so xine is running slow as molasses. |
| 18:36.41 | _SKiTZO | torrrrr: there is no algorithm that can prevent that. unless oyu use som sort of raid with hot spare or something |
| 18:36.56 | _SKiTZO | the flash disks actually do it in the firmware |
| 18:37.17 | _SKiTZO | so they probably have more memory than advertized then keep some redundancy |
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| 18:37.35 | _SKiTZO | im no expert .. maybe im mistaken |
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| 18:39.11 | \amethyst | torrrrr: the JFFS2 filesystem tries to be good about levelling out disk usage |
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| 18:40.05 | torrrrr | _SKiTZO: There should be a count kept somewhere, and a table mapping of disk a place to where it really is on the disk. When that place count is too high this place should get swaped with a place that is less used |
| 18:40.22 | torrrrr | \amethyst: thanks, I will look it up |
| 18:40.29 | \amethyst | torrrrr: many media do that already |
| 18:40.50 | _SKiTZO | i get it wo avoid wear in one place |
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| 18:41.16 | torrrrr | \amethyst: what do you mean Like a CF card do it by itself? |
| 18:41.18 | \amethyst | torrrrr: JFFS2 is log-structured, and treats the entire medium as a circular log. It doesn't re-use a block until it's circled around the entire filesystem at least once |
| 18:41.26 | _SKiTZO | that would if implemented properly allow a bit of redundancy as well, atleast as long as the fs was not full |
| 18:41.30 | \amethyst | torrrrr: yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_levelling |
| 18:42.06 | netgear | just a question, which server has the biggest debian room? |
| 18:42.15 | _SKiTZO | because you dont have to delete something when you store it in another location, so the old dataq would still be there |
| 18:42.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me install my webcam? |
| 18:42.42 | \amethyst | I have reason to suspect the iRiver iFP-700 mp3 player doesn't do wear levelling though |
| 18:42.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's an old chicony twinklecam that is supposed to use this diver: http://nw802.sf.net/ |
| 18:42.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I can't compile the driver |
| 18:42.55 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, the actual problem is...? |
| 18:43.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: http://paste.debian.net/42818 |
| 18:43.48 | _SKiTZO | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have kernel headers? or the kernel source anyplace handy? |
| 18:44.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 18:44.04 | _SKiTZO | Dark_Apostrophe: you might also want to read the driver docs to see if it is supposed to work with your kernel |
| 18:44.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's in /usr/src/linux |
| 18:44.15 | _SKiTZO | ok |
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| 18:44.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | _SKiTZO: It says on the driver's front page that it should work with 2.6 if patched properly |
| 18:44.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | As for docs, there are none |
| 18:44.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | At least none that I can find |
| 18:44.48 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, it creates a symlink to usbvideo.h but still can't find it when compiling? |
| 18:44.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | I suppose so, hoxu |
| 18:45.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know how to read make-choke-ish |
| 18:45.26 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, you need to adjust your eyes like this: >_< |
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| 18:45.47 | _SKiTZO | yes.. soon you will be able to see the blonde in red too |
| 18:46.10 | abrotman | torrrrr: wearing off ? |
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| 18:46.27 | abrotman | probably not worth it ... |
| 18:46.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: So what do I do? |
| 18:46.58 | torrrrr | abrotman: yea the flash has a 100000 or something re-writing limit |
| 18:47.02 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, you could start by trying to make it find that header somehow |
| 18:47.12 | abrotman | torrrrr: that's a hardware problem .. |
| 18:47.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: Which I do, how? :p |
| 18:47.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: Sort of a newb, here. :) |
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| 18:47.52 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, mmm, the project page on http://sourceforge.net/projects/nw802/ says "New and last release"... dated 2003-08-21 -_- |
| 18:47.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know |
| 18:48.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm using CVS |
| 18:48.09 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: if it talks about a patch, have you found that patch? |
| 18:48.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes, and I have applied it |
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| 18:48.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | It says what to do on the front page: http://nw802.sf.net/ |
| 18:48.38 | Jyzygzy- | wols i need to send the packets from 192.168.0.104 to DROP in the FORWARD table? |
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| 18:49.57 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: your linux headers are installed? usbvideo.h is on your disk? |
| 18:50.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes and yes |
| 18:50.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | usbvideo.h is in the driver source dir |
| 18:51.00 | wols | a symlink of the file? |
| 18:51.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, the actual file, I believe |
| 18:51.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Let me check |
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| 18:51.24 | coppercore | lol |
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| 18:51.46 | ribnitz | heyas. |
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| 18:52.38 | hoxu | !greet ribnitz |
| 18:52.39 | dpkg | Gr33tz, ribnitz |
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| 18:53.40 | utopia_ | !greet hoxu |
| 18:53.40 | dpkg | G'day, hoxu |
| 18:53.56 | hoxu | utopia_, just now noticed I came in? |
| 18:53.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: Err... it's not there... :o |
| 18:54.18 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, planning to do something about it? ;P |
| 18:54.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: It was there in the stable release I downloaded (the ancient one) but apparently not in the CVS checkout |
| 18:54.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | But the stable release failed to compile as well |
| 18:54.37 | cemc | i've installed etch on a computer, and at install it said eth0 is firewire, eth1 one onboard NIC, and eth2 the other onboard NIC. how can i change that order? i want eth2 to be eth0 as that's what i'm using |
| 18:54.50 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, same or different error? |
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| 18:55.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: Let me check, I'll download it. |
| 18:55.19 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, nevermind though, if the stable is four years old that's useless information I guess |
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| 18:55.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | I suppose. |
| 18:55.53 | _SKiTZO | what is the package name for the sqlite3 PDO driver (php database stuff) ?? |
| 18:56.00 | _SKiTZO | or how can i search for it |
| 18:56.01 | _SKiTZO | ? |
| 18:56.20 | abrotman | apt-cache search php sqlite ? |
| 18:56.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: So... well... now what? :/ |
| 18:56.34 | hoxu | cemc, /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules ? |
| 18:57.07 | DawnLight | _SKiTZO: learn to search with aptitude |
| 18:57.33 | hoxu | !tell _SKiTZO about search |
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| 18:58.14 | cemc | hoxu: seems the right file :) can i just modify it, or is there some tool to do that? |
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| 18:59.15 | hoxu | cemc, I think it might be generated by some voodoo magic, I'd say, backup, modify and see if anything blows up... and rest assured, if I'm giving you wrong advice, the debian gurus will hang me sooner or later |
| 18:59.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: Any ideas? |
| 18:59.31 | cemc | :)) |
| 18:59.43 | cemc | ok, thanks, i'll try it |
| 19:00.05 | cherek | русские есть? |
| 19:00.08 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, well, I think it would be a good start to put usbvideo.h somewhere it's expecting it... so there's no usbvideo.h in ~/downloads/nw802-2.4/ ? |
| 19:00.20 | abrotman | cherek: english please |
| 19:00.27 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 19:00.28 | dpkg | [ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 19:00.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: Apparently not |
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| 19:01.03 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, what does that ln -sf do then? I thought it symlinks the header there |
| 19:01.25 | _SKiTZO | it doesnt exist :( |
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| 19:01.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: No idea... :p |
| 19:02.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: I'll CP the file from the kernel source into the source dir. |
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| 19:03.27 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, sounds like a plan |
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| 19:06.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: It still chokes... |
| 19:06.17 | _SKiTZO | hm. i have sqlite3, php5-sqlite3 and php5-pdo installed. The last two show up in my phpinfo() (http://nutstation.com/test.php) BUT under pdo it says no drivers were found! I have yet to find what the name is of the package that I need to install to have this working |
| 19:06.20 | _SKiTZO | any ideas? |
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| 19:06.59 | digininja | hi |
| 19:07.11 | digininja | I can't get xorg going using 3.1r3 |
| 19:07.15 | digininja | i586 |
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| 19:07.23 | digininja | I can't find xorgconfig anywhere |
| 19:07.28 | abrotman | 3.1 has xfree86 |
| 19:07.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: http://paste.debian.net/42828 |
| 19:07.41 | digininja | what is the configure commadn for xfree86? |
| 19:07.51 | digininja | I am on command line IRC |
| 19:07.51 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:07.59 | digininja | k |
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| 19:08.40 | hoxu | !bob2 song |
| 19:08.53 | hoxu | !sing bob2 |
| 19:08.54 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 19:09.15 | digininja | would it be mroe wise to run a distupgrade |
| 19:09.19 | digininja | then reinstall xorg? |
| 19:09.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: Any idea? |
| 19:09.25 | digininja | it xorg currently used? |
| 19:09.36 | digininja | or deos debian use xfree86? |
| 19:09.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | digininja: Xorg |
| 19:09.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | digininja: Since 4.0, Debian uses Xorg |
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| 19:09.59 | digininja | how do I upgrade to 4.0 from 3.1 |
| 19:10.01 | abrotman | digininja: yes .. it would likely be better to go to etch |
| 19:10.07 | abrotman | !tell digininja about sarge->etch |
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| 19:10.20 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, well, maybe you could mess with the makefile and see if you can add some include paths for gcc... |
| 19:10.22 | chris_goe | hi |
| 19:10.38 | digininja | can aptitude be used to upgrade to 4.0? |
| 19:10.39 | abrotman | digininja: what is your video card ? |
| 19:10.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: I wouldn't know what to add :/ |
| 19:10.43 | abrotman | digininja: yes |
| 19:10.44 | digininja | 128 rage ati |
| 19:10.49 | hoxu | Dark_Apostrophe, or you could report a bug on the project page and make the project admin happy for peaked activity? :P |
| 19:10.51 | digininja | what is command? |
| 19:10.58 | abrotman | command for what? |
| 19:10.58 | chris_goe | i've got a RAID-0 made from 3 disks. |
| 19:11.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | hoxu: Hahah |
| 19:11.04 | digininja | upgarde 3.1 to 4.0 |
| 19:11.06 | chris_goe | now one disk has been replaced |
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| 19:11.10 | abrotman | !tell digininja about sarge->etch |
| 19:11.18 | digininja | that is not doing anthing |
| 19:11.22 | digininja | I am on irssi |
| 19:11.24 | digininja | commadn line |
| 19:11.31 | digininja | abrotman |
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| 19:11.38 | xand | !tell me about sarge->etch |
| 19:11.41 | chris_goe | and I know the content is "lost" (well, not really, I've made backups) |
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| 19:11.45 | abrotman | digininja: yes .. it opened a new window for you .. hit ctrl-n until you see a window with a msg from dpkg |
| 19:11.49 | xand | digininja: it'll make dpkg pm you |
| 19:11.54 | xand | /query dpkg |
| 19:11.59 | chris_goe | but how do I get the md4 device to "active" again? |
| 19:12.25 | digininja | I have no broser |
| 19:12.36 | digininja | I cant surf net |
| 19:12.36 | abrotman | digininja: install lynx |
| 19:12.41 | digininja | I am in command line only |
| 19:12.43 | abrotman | or links |
| 19:12.44 | abrotman | or w3m |
| 19:12.46 | digininja | oh for fucks sake |
| 19:12.46 | chris_goe | grep md4 /proc/mdstat |
| 19:12.46 | chris_goe | md4 : inactive hdd2[3](S) sdb2[0] hdb2[1] |
| 19:12.50 | digininja | cmon |
| 19:12.57 | acu | what version of kernel is lenny using ? |
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| 19:13.04 | abrotman | 2.6.22 |
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| 19:13.16 | qrck | 22-3 ? |
| 19:13.26 | ziyax | lenny rox:p |
| 19:13.40 | hoxu | digininja, real men use telnet straight to port 80 for web browsing (or install w3m/links/lynx like suggested:) |
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| 19:14.38 | chris_goe | and mdadm /dev/md4 --manage --run won't do the trick |
| 19:14.39 | acu | thanks abrotman - I have a laptop with Nvidia Nforce network card and is not recognized by earlier kernels - however I have tough time making the Nvidia GE force graphic card - so it seem I have to go for lenny - give a try |
| 19:14.40 | chris_goe | anyone? |
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| 19:15.03 | abrotman | acu: sure .. except the nvidia drivers aren't currently in lenny either :) |
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| 19:16.01 | acu | abrotman: so I should not try |
| 19:16.16 | jelly-home | there is no try. |
| 19:17.00 | abrotman | acu: you can .. but you'll have to get the nvidia drivers from unstable or some such solution |
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| 19:20.39 | dryrot | is there tor in debian etch ? |
| 19:20.46 | hoxu | !info tor etch |
| 19:21.18 | abrotman | dryrot: no .. it was held out by the upstream and maintainer |
| 19:21.21 | acu | I installed kenshi muto's backport but I later realize that if you have to update the headers for nvidia requires expertise - and actually it installed the other kernels resulting in a lot of confusion |
| 19:21.28 | abrotman | !tor |
| 19:21.28 | dpkg | i guess tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
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| 19:22.26 | dryrot | weird, in an earlier version of etch i had running, i was able to apt-get install tor |
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| 19:23.03 | abrotman | dryrot: before its release .. yes |
| 19:23.21 | acu | One more question - I have noticed that there is no w32codec from marillat repository for AMD64 - what is the alternative ? |
| 19:23.31 | abrotman | run 32bit linux |
| 19:24.05 | qrck | 32bit in 64bit arch works but not vice versa.... |
| 19:24.20 | qrck | or ? |
| 19:24.36 | valdyn | acu: you probably dont need those codecs at all |
| 19:24.48 | valdyn | acu: ( i dont at least ) |
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| 19:26.25 | GiacomoL | Hi, I run etch and tried to install the updated ATI driver following http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide , which works up to the very last step (module-assistant a-i fglrx). the error I get then is "fglrx-kernel-2.6.18-5-686 depends on fglrx-driver (= 8.42.3-2); however: Version of fglrx-driver on system is 8.42.3-1". The script only produced *-1 debs... what did I do wrong? |
| 19:26.49 | GiacomoL | thank you for any answer |
| 19:27.36 | abrotman | GiacomoL: aptitude update && aptitude install fglrx-driver ? |
| 19:27.49 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 19:28.20 | abrotman | GiacomoL: that guide is probably not right |
| 19:28.51 | abrotman | GiacomoL: which method on that page did you use ? |
| 19:29.21 | GiacomoL | Method 2, to generate the package |
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| 19:29.38 | GiacomoL | skipping on the _64 stuff which I don't need |
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| 19:30.53 | GiacomoL | aptitude is a bit too brutal with my config, i'm very careful with my repository list :) |
| 19:31.23 | abrotman | and why didn't you just use the fglrx in etch already? |
| 19:31.51 | smica | uptime |
| 19:31.56 | smica | ooops |
| 19:31.58 | GiacomoL | i had that, I wanted to upgrade to see if I can get glest to run |
| 19:31.58 | smica | sorry |
| 19:32.50 | abrotman | GiacomoL: well .. somehow you goofed badly .. |
| 19:33.05 | xingu | heh, tres cool... http://www.norazza.com/pocket_RAID/pocket_RAID.htm |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | GiacomoL: do you have a deb-src for unstable ? |
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| 19:33.35 | GiacomoL | abrotman, yes |
| 19:34.00 | GiacomoL | abrotman, do you think that's the cause? |
| 19:34.05 | abrotman | GiacomoL: you can try to build that .. but honestly i'm not sure it will work |
| 19:34.15 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/fglrx-driver |
| 19:35.25 | utopia_ | when i install a package, like an apache module for example, does it autoconfigure it for me? |
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| 19:36.45 | abrotman | what do you mean autoconfigure ? |
| 19:37.22 | utopia_ | does it configure apache files for me? |
| 19:37.29 | utopia_ | apache configuration* |
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| 19:38.05 | abrotman | probably depends on the module |
| 19:38.12 | abrotman | i'd guess most do |
| 19:38.16 | utopia_ | thanks |
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| 19:38.53 | ErichK | Can anyone tell me how to install compiz and get it working? |
| 19:40.01 | vod | ErichK: when you install it, it comes with zero configuration and everything disabled |
| 19:40.14 | vod | ErichK: so you run it and it looks like it's broken |
| 19:40.18 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes? |
| 19:40.52 | ErichK | I installed compiz, but when I run it, it says /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
| 19:41.15 | vod | ErichK: Oh, you have to edit your xserver config file |
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| 19:42.32 | vin` | nlaskdasl;dsak;dlkas;l |
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| 19:42.36 | vod | ErichK: Section "Extensions" |
| 19:42.36 | vod | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.37 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I wondered if there was a package for bub-n-burs somewhere |
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| 19:42.39 | vin` | sorry |
| 19:42.43 | jelly-home | bros, even |
| 19:42.50 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i was just thinking about making it! |
| 19:42.56 | tarzeau | jelly-home: after so long time nobody's done it |
| 19:43.32 | tarzeau | jelly-home: be in #bub-n-bros |
| 19:43.39 | jelly-home | tarzeau: your build of 1.4 is third link on google for bub-n-bros |
| 19:43.48 | jelly-home | but well, it's 1. |
| 19:43.52 | tarzeau | jelly-home: oh i should update it |
| 19:44.02 | tarzeau | 1.6 is out |
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| 19:46.18 | ErichK | Cheers Vod |
| 19:47.57 | faemir | http://www.miguelcarrasco.net/miguelcarrasco/WindowsLiveWriter/LinuxCrashTop10Images_A04C/linux_bonus_12_2.jpg :D |
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| 19:51.53 | beowulf | THEY SAY YOU HAVE A MONSTER HERE |
| 19:52.01 | beowulf | I AM HERE TO KILL YOUR MONTER |
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| 19:52.19 | beowulf | I AM RIPPER, SLASHER, TERROR |
| 19:52.20 | beowulf | I |
| 19:52.21 | beowulf | AM |
| 19:52.25 | beowulf | BEOWWULF!!!!!!! |
| 19:52.31 | rBUG | YOU ARE... AN IDIOT |
| 19:52.34 | qrck | beowulf are you blonde ? |
| 19:52.36 | qrck | lol |
| 19:52.36 | Nyle | and you are a bug |
| 19:52.40 | beowulf | its a great movie |
| 19:52.42 | beowulf | have u guys seen it |
| 19:52.45 | GiacomoL | yes |
| 19:52.50 | beowulf | great isnt it |
| 19:52.50 | cast | what movie? |
| 19:52.53 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 19:52.53 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 19:52.58 | beowulf | Beowulf |
| 19:52.59 | GiacomoL | expected better :/ |
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| 19:53.06 | beowulf | i rthink its great |
| 19:53.07 | beowulf | good action |
| 19:53.09 | beowulf | good acting |
| 19:53.11 | beowulf | good story |
| 19:53.14 | beowulf | good cinematography |
| 19:53.15 | beowulf | good dialog |
| 19:53.17 | beowulf | good music |
| 19:53.19 | Nyle | !enter |
| 19:53.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 19:53.30 | beowulf | ok |
| 19:53.43 | Nyle | thanks |
| 19:53.53 | twobitsprite | hey... I'm trying to get my laptop to connect to a wireless network. I assume iwspy is the program which would list the available networks, but it says my card doesn't support scanning (or something) |
| 19:53.53 | qrck | WHOM THEY SHOUTING AT... |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | qrck: stop please |
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| 19:54.12 | qrck | hills galore, have to climb one wait.... |
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| 19:54.29 | qrck | DO YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW! |
| 19:54.32 | qrck | lol |
| 19:54.35 | twobitsprite | unfortunately, I have to reboot into windows to google and chat on here, so I can't remember the exact error |
| 19:54.52 | twobitsprite | *plonk* -> qrck |
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| 19:54.55 | beowulf | twobitsprite, this is good |
| 19:54.58 | beowulf | twobitsprite, windows is your fiend |
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| 19:55.01 | beowulf | friend |
| 19:55.04 | Nyle | no it isn't |
| 19:55.07 | abrotman | beowulf: please troll elsewhere |
| 19:55.17 | twobitsprite | *plonk* beowulf |
| 19:55.42 | Nyle | pain |
| 19:56.25 | twobitsprite | anyways. I've never set up wireless in linux before, but I do know about iwconfig, etc... I just can't seem to grok how to use them exactly |
| 19:56.31 | fas3r | i have problem with my ap .. i have an access point connect on the first server .. this server containt dhcprelay, this server is connect on a second server, this server have the dhcp server, when a client connect on the acces point i see the request on the second server and i on log file of dhcp server i see it send reply but the reply don't go to client ..i have test with tcpdump on the... |
| 19:56.33 | fas3r | ...first server i see the request but not the reply ... ( all route are correct if i use static ip on wireless client i ping all success) |
| 19:56.35 | abrotman | twobitsprite: such as what ? |
| 19:56.53 | beowulf | they say you have a monstar here |
| 19:57.07 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I'm not sure how to get it to connect to the AP at this coffee shop :) |
| 19:57.23 | abrotman | twobitsprite: no GUI ? |
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| 19:57.39 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I have a GUI, but it doesn't give me a list of available networks |
| 19:57.41 | Nyle | twobitsprite: so note the settings in windows, about channel/ssid/key etc. etc. and then go and set it manually on your linux box |
| 19:57.47 | abrotman | twobitsprite: which GUI ? |
| 19:57.50 | torr | \amethyst: do you know if the JFFS2 works well? |
| 19:58.08 | twobitsprite | abrotman: not sure... it's in the "System" menu in Gnome |
| 19:58.15 | abrotman | twobitsprite: in the interfaces .. it'd be wireless-essid <SSID> .. and see iwconfig for other options |
| 19:58.29 | abrotman | twobitsprite: mine always shows other networks if i look for them in gnome |
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| 19:59.04 | twobitsprite | abrotman: well... if it uses the same thing as iwspy, then iwspy gives me errors when trying to scan for things... says my card doesn't support scanning (or something) |
| 19:59.26 | beowulf | I AM RIPPER, SLASHER, TERROR |
| 19:59.33 | Nyle | dude for fucks sake |
| 19:59.34 | Nyle | stfu |
| 19:59.37 | beowulf | I AM BEOWULF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:59.43 | beowulf | they say you have a monsta here |
| 19:59.54 | amphi | !pal beowulf |
| 19:59.55 | Nyle | !ops beowulf is trolling and being a general idiot |
| 19:59.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: beowulf is trolling and being a general idiot |
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| 20:00.09 | twobitsprite | heh... its always so funny to have already /ignore'd a troll and watch other people complain about them |
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| 20:00.57 | Nyle | twobitsprite: how come you don't set the ssid/channel etc. manually |
| 20:01.00 | abrotman | LoRez: again please |
| 20:01.08 | twobitsprite | Nyle: I'll go and try that |
| 20:01.26 | twobitsprite | I was just hoping someone might know how to get the GUI to show the networks |
| 20:01.34 | Nyle | I don't know gnome at all |
| 20:01.46 | Nyle | i have used it briefly and did not like it |
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| 20:02.26 | twobitsprite | ok, I'm off to reboot, wish me luck |
| 20:02.33 | twobitsprite | and thanks |
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| 20:05.09 | fas3r | haa i need to active forward with ip table it's this ... no ? |
| 20:05.10 | wAndyw78 | Hi, is there a easy way to list server usage vie network like ftp, ssh, http ... ? |
| 20:06.05 | norc | wAndyw78: uptime |
| 20:06.23 | norc | wAndyw78: or what do you mean with "server usage" |
| 20:07.02 | norc | wAndyw78: cat /proc/loadavg will actually suffice btw |
| 20:08.27 | wAndyw78 | norc: I thought some output like :"12 users connected via ftp", "5 users vis ssh" and so on |
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| 20:10.18 | abrotman | wAndyw78: w or who .. maybe |
| 20:10.36 | norc | abrotman: yeah, that will do the job |
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| 20:11.48 | peyj | hmm, how can I write a list of installed packages to a file? :) |
| 20:11.49 | muhoo | do y'all advise using TCP or UDP for an nfs server? |
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| 20:11.52 | GiacomoL | abrotman, i fetched and compiled the sources from sid, and it worked a charm... thanks a lot |
| 20:11.56 | muhoo | local network, 100mbps ethernet |
| 20:12.01 | twobitsprite | it didn't work :( |
| 20:12.04 | abrotman | GiacomoL: enjoy |
| 20:12.18 | beowulf | I AM THE RIPPER, TERROR, SLASHER, I AM BEOWULF! |
| 20:12.20 | muhoo | my current settings are: ers=3,rw,hard,timeo=14,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr,noauto |
| 20:12.28 | muhoo | uh, vers not ers |
| 20:12.35 | twobitsprite | I entered all of the information for the wireless network, and it wouldn't come up |
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| 20:14.09 | tiredbones_ | I download a print driver for my hp-photosmart c6280 printer. I'm not sure where this ppd file should be placed. I'm using leny with xfce. I think it should be placed here, /usr/share/ppd/cups-included/HP, but different doc tell people to place it a different place? Where should it be place to be recognize? |
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| 20:15.29 | twobitsprite | ohh, and the error that iwspy gives me is more like "this devices does not support statistics collection" |
| 20:16.12 | abrotman | twobitsprite: did you try `iwlist scanning` ? |
| 20:16.18 | twobitsprite | no |
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| 20:16.44 | twobitsprite | *sigh* |
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| 20:16.48 | twobitsprite | this is a pain :P |
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| 20:17.32 | abrotman | twobitsprite: i'm not sure what's hard about it |
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| 20:17.48 | twobitsprite | abrotman: me either :P |
| 20:18.01 | peyj | can I list my installed packages with aptitude? |
| 20:18.02 | twobitsprite | it should just come up when I enter the information, right? |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | what is "it" |
| 20:18.16 | abrotman | and what information |
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| 20:18.44 | twobitsprite | i.e.: iwconfig wlan0 essid "Cup of Joe Hillsborough" channel 6 |
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| 20:19.09 | patriots911 | morning |
| 20:19.24 | DawnLight | evening |
| 20:19.25 | twobitsprite | do I need to some thing else after running that? |
| 20:19.33 | twobitsprite | afternoon |
| 20:19.39 | patriots911 | any body have an idea is there a sphinx saloon somewhere here |
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| 20:20.05 | reto_ | huh? |
| 20:20.07 | twobitsprite | take a left at the stop light, you can't miss it |
| 20:20.11 | DawnLight | twobitsprite: you probably want to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces so it will be available for ifupdown |
| 20:20.20 | reto_ | that looks like a broken sudo: http://rafb.net/p/15KRvN63.html |
| 20:20.24 | abrotman | patriots911: huh ? |
| 20:20.30 | patriots911 | sphinx: for voice recognizing |
| 20:20.32 | twobitsprite | DawnLight: I might do that after I get it working first :) |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | patriots911: isn't htat a java thing ? |
| 20:21.02 | patriots911 | yes |
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| 20:21.08 | DawnLight | twobitsprite: want me to paste mine as an example? |
| 20:21.14 | twobitsprite | sure |
| 20:21.25 | DawnLight | one minute |
| 20:21.49 | abrotman | patriots911: might have better luck asking #java |
| 20:22.39 | patriots911 | thns |
| 20:23.15 | heatman | Hello. Is there a way to force apt-get's removal process? I tried installing compiz-fusion-gnome and its causing conflict with something else that was installed... now that I try to remove it I get errors of unmet dependencies which cannot be solve by using apt-get install -f like suggested. Anyone have an idea? |
| 20:23.27 | patriots911 | \j java |
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| 20:23.38 | twobitsprite | heatman: try aptitude |
| 20:23.44 | norc | heatman: you can do dpkg --purge.. |
| 20:23.47 | norc | heatman: that will remove for sure |
| 20:23.59 | norc | heatman: but try man apt before that.. |
| 20:24.07 | norc | heatman: I believe it contains the solution for your problem |
| 20:24.15 | heatman | norc: ok ill try that |
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| 20:24.47 | tiredbones_ | I download a print driver for my hp-photosmart c6280 printer. I'm not sure where this ppd file should be placed. I'm using leny with xfce. I think it should be placed here, /usr/share/ppd/cups-included/HP, but different doc tell people to place it a different place? Where should it be place to be recognize? |
| 20:24.52 | JonkoPa | Could someone tell me about fonts, what fonts is suited for what purpose? |
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| 20:24.58 | norc | heatman: Oh, I should tell you this: dont remove dependencies... |
| 20:24.59 | twobitsprite | !repeat |
| 20:24.59 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:25.33 | DawnLight | twobitsprite: http://paste.debian.net/42832 is the interfaces file for my router/server box. the post-up and post-down lines in the ath0 (atheros wireless nic) configure NAT |
| 20:25.45 | cahoot | JonkoPa: you want a course on user interfaces? |
| 20:26.12 | heatman | norc: so I will haver to do it package by package? |
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| 20:26.38 | JonkoPa | cahoot, I want to know what fonts are suited for what purpose? I.e what font or better said what font fammily is best suited for process writing? |
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| 20:26.51 | xerophyte | with vi how can i goto the very top of the buffer ? |
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| 20:26.58 | xingu | heatman: what does dpkg -l libc6 say under "version"? |
| 20:27.06 | abrotman | JonkoPa: i like arial .. does that help you? |
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| 20:27.12 | DawnLight | tiredbones_: in most cases you shouldn't need to download ppd's. the package is in the repos. |
| 20:27.13 | heatman | norc: cuz the problem is that because of that problem it prevents me to install anything via apt-get |
| 20:27.15 | twobitsprite | DawnLight: hmm... what is that "wireless-mode managed"? how do I know what I need to put there? or, is "managed" the usual? |
| 20:27.21 | JonkoPa | abrotman, no because it doesn't answer my question |
| 20:27.33 | abrotman | JonkoPa: but it's a font i like for process writing! |
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| 20:27.41 | JonkoPa | haha |
| 20:28.12 | abrotman | JonkoPa: only you can answer that .. some people prefer everything in times new roman for example .. it's subjective |
| 20:28.18 | norc | heatman: that sounds like a blocker to me.. |
| 20:28.20 | heatman | xingu: libc6 = 2.3.6.ds1-13et |
| 20:28.24 | norc | heatman: considered reporting that bug? |
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| 20:28.40 | tiredbones_ | DawnLight, are you saying the ppd should already be on the system or that I do apt-get on it? |
| 20:28.46 | patriots911 | sorry, |
| 20:28.55 | xingu | heatman: fair do; shame's sid repo is bit horked, was just checking for that. |
| 20:29.06 | DawnLight | twobitsprite: managed is the common method. it means that your wireless nic is associated with an access point (wireless router) |
| 20:29.07 | heatman | norc: new to debian; could you indicate me where i should post bug? |
| 20:29.16 | twobitsprite | ok |
| 20:29.19 | patriots911 | but should i be identified when logging to JAVA channel |
| 20:29.19 | twobitsprite | I'll try that |
| 20:29.28 | norc | heatman: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 20:29.33 | heatman | norc: ok ty |
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| 20:29.45 | norc | heatman: and please read carefully before posting this in a minute |
| 20:29.52 | twobitsprite | DawnLight: also, the file you pasted has "wireles-mode" not "wireless-mode" ... ? |
| 20:29.54 | patriots911 | is there a sphinx channel on the freenode server |
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| 20:30.15 | DawnLight | tiredbones_: you need to install the package with the ppds. i think the cupsys package suggests it. anyway, check out http://linux-printing.org, i think |
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| 20:30.51 | twobitsprite | patriots911: if its not #sphinx or ##sphinx it probably doesn't exist... or try /help list |
| 20:30.56 | patriots911 | unLoi em noi cho tinh chung ta, nhu doan cuoi trong cuon phim buon. Nguoi da den nhu la giac mo roi ra di cho anh bat ngo... http://www.freewebtown.com/nhatquanglan/index.html |
| 20:30.57 | abrotman | patriots911: i think you'd get a better answer in #java .. but i don't see a #sphinx in /list |
| 20:30.57 | DawnLight | twobitsprite: haven't noticed it. right. it works because it is the default |
| 20:30.57 | patriots911 | Loi em noi cho tinh chung ta, nhu doan cuoi trong cuon phim buon. Nguoi da den nhu la giac mo roi ra di cho anh bat ngo... http://www.freewebtown.com/nhatquanglan/index.html |
| 20:30.58 | heatman | norc: ? |
| 20:31.09 | weng | hi, im trying to install xchat using apt-get but i got some errors xchat: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3) but 2.8.20-7 is to be installed |
| 20:31.11 | norc | heatman: well, just make sure you read the "How to report bugs" site |
| 20:31.28 | heatman | norc: oh yeah, i will |
| 20:31.38 | tiredbones_ | DawnLight, thanks, I assumed that cups was installed. I'll check that out. thanks again! |
| 20:31.50 | twobitsprite | DawnLight: ok, I'll give it a try... brb |
| 20:31.52 | abrotman | weng: do an apt-get update first ? |
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| 20:32.02 | beowulf | I AM THE RIPPER, TERROR, SLASHER, I AM BEOWULF! |
| 20:32.22 | abrotman | !ops beowulf would like to be banned |
| 20:32.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: beowulf would like to be banned |
| 20:32.40 | weng | abrotman: ahh ok, after update .. apt-get upgrade right? |
| 20:32.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:32.53 | beowulf | !ops abrotman would like to be banned |
| 20:32.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: beowulf complains about: abrotman would like to be banned |
| 20:32.55 | weng | ok thanks |
| 20:32.58 | stiv2k | i dont understand why i transferring stuff to my server over SFTP (802.11g wireless) wont go any faster than like 680 KB/s |
| 20:33.18 | abrotman | wengghagah |
| 20:33.19 | xingu | stiv2k: because crypto is slow. |
| 20:33.33 | stiv2k | ah |
| 20:33.42 | stiv2k | xingu: what is a better file transfer method i can use? |
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| 20:33.51 | xingu | stiv2k: http's pretty good |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | but not encrypted |
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| 20:34.03 | stiv2k | yea? how can i do that |
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| 20:34.13 | xingu | stiv2k: web server, wget |
| 20:34.28 | stiv2k | xingu: hmm but im transferring files TO the server |
| 20:34.28 | abrotman | stiv2k: are you uploading or downloading ? |
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| 20:34.35 | abrotman | stiv2k: just use sftp |
| 20:34.37 | stiv2k | uploading |
| 20:34.45 | stiv2k | i want it to go faster :/ |
| 20:34.46 | DawnLight | tiredbones_: ahm... if your printer's recommended driver in linux-printing is the hplip, there is an hplip package. after you install it check out the /usr/share/doc/hplip/README.Debian |
| 20:34.53 | abrotman | stiv2k: get out and push ? |
| 20:34.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:34.56 | heatman | norc: lol reading atm and i need a package reportbug which i cannot install! |
| 20:34.57 | stiv2k | hehh |
| 20:35.09 | abrotman | heatman: there are other ways to report bugs |
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| 20:35.16 | amphi | abrotman: beowulf PM'd you too? |
| 20:35.22 | xingu | stiv2k: rsync, or nfs4/tcp are pretty nippy too |
| 20:35.31 | abrotman | amphi: no .. /lastlog him .. he's being an idiot |
| 20:35.34 | beowulf | amphi, what? |
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| 20:35.37 | stiv2k | nfs4? |
| 20:35.48 | stiv2k | is that something different than the nfs-common i know of or w/e |
| 20:35.57 | norc | heatman: please consult abrotman, he knows everything. |
| 20:36.02 | amphi | abrotman: indeed - he PM'd me for further idiocy, I've had him on ignore since then |
| 20:36.10 | bucky | i'm trying to build a deb for libc6, when i fakeroot debian/rules binary it says 'you must configure in a separate build directory' how can i get around this? |
| 20:36.25 | abrotman | amphi: well .. apparently nothing will happen about it |
| 20:36.32 | abrotman | heatman: what did you break ? |
| 20:36.41 | abrotman | xingu: those aren't encrypted ? |
| 20:36.44 | norc | haha abrotman :) |
| 20:36.47 | valdyn | heatman: you dont need reportbug to report a bug afaict |
| 20:36.51 | norc | always assume that its the users error |
| 20:36.53 | xingu | stiv2k: nb, none of those are encrypted; if you need fast ssl, you need hw designed for it |
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| 20:37.30 | stiv2k | right i understand that but i don't really see the need for encryption cause im just uploading movies to my server over WLAN |
| 20:37.42 | xingu | so rsync is probably a very good fit |
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| 20:38.04 | heatman | abrotman: cant use apt-get or aptitude because i tried installing compiz-fusion-gnome and it conflicts with a package that i had previously, which I was unaware of, and now when trying to remve package i get mesage that i have unmet dependencies |
| 20:38.07 | xingu | spin up rsyncd, and use its native transport, then tell us what numbers you get |
| 20:38.26 | stiv2k | xingu: im currently booted into windows, are there windows rsync clients? |
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| 20:38.30 | abrotman | heatman: so if you apt-get remove compiz-fusion-gnome .. what happens ? |
| 20:38.36 | xingu | there's windows rsync servers even |
| 20:38.47 | stiv2k | interesting |
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| 20:40.11 | xingu | stiv2k: http://itefix.no/cwrsync/ |
| 20:40.21 | norc | abrotman: < heatman> Hello. Is there a way to force apt-get's removal process? I tried installing compiz-fusion-gnome and its causing conflict with something else that was installed... now that I try to remove it I get errors of unmet dependencies which cannot be solve by using apt-get install -f like suggested. Anyone have an idea? |
| 20:40.51 | abrotman | heatman: show us the output of `apt-get -f install` |
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| 20:40.52 | heatman | abrotman: the following packages have unmet dependencies: compiz-fusion-pluigins-main: Depends: compiz-plugins (>=0.6.2) but 0.2.2-1 is to be installed.... |
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| 20:41.03 | heatman | abrotman: ok sec |
| 20:41.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:41.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:41.11 | norc | oh oh .. |
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| 20:41.48 | cemc | how can i disable IPv6 entirely in etch? is there another way or i just edit modprobe.conf/aliases, net-pf-10 off ? |
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| 20:42.09 | stiv2k | xingu: i don't have cygwin installed :/ |
| 20:42.19 | xingu | stiv2k: the installer is self contained |
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| 20:42.44 | acu | if you add the debian backports repository - are not you creating conflicts between official debian packages and backport ? |
| 20:42.52 | stiv2k | oh cool |
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| 20:44.47 | heatman | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/42833 |
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| 20:44.55 | stiv2k | hmm |
| 20:45.03 | stiv2k | xingu: what port does rsync use |
| 20:45.03 | niklas | I have installed Debian on my slave harddrive. But now I've removed the master drive and use the old slave as the only drive. So GRUB is not found when I boot the computer. How can I change so that I can use my old slave to boot from? Or does it matter if it's slave or not? Is it OK to keep everything as is, with the hard drive as slave, and no master? I'm going to insert another hard drive later. |
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| 20:45.16 | xingu | stiv2k: 873 |
| 20:45.20 | abrotman | heatman: okay .. do you want them gone or installed ? |
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| 20:45.37 | stiv2k | is rsyncd in a separate package? |
| 20:45.47 | heatman | abrotman: well would like to get rid of conflict to have compiz-fusion |
| 20:45.57 | abrotman | heatman: /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 20:46.07 | abrotman | heatman: use it on the compiz-gnome package |
| 20:46.08 | xingu | stiv2k: /etc/default/rsync:RSYNC_ENABLE |
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| 20:46.45 | stiv2k | ah |
| 20:46.52 | stiv2k | i also need an rsyncd.conf? |
| 20:46.54 | xingu | stiv2k: you'll also need to configure /etc/rsyncd.conf |
| 20:46.58 | xingu | snap |
| 20:47.13 | stiv2k | i don't have one though |
| 20:47.20 | stiv2k | i'd need a default one to modify |
| 20:47.22 | heatman | abrotman: tyvm! |
| 20:47.27 | xingu | stiv2k: /usr/share/doc/rsync/examples/rsyncd.conf |
| 20:47.33 | abrotman | heatman: all taken care of ? |
| 20:47.45 | xingu | stiv2k: nb, this is all pretty standard stuff, for debian systems admin |
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| 20:48.44 | stiv2k | should i be editing any of those module options |
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| 20:49.03 | xingu | stiv2k: it's worth taking the ten minutes or so to get this bootstrapped; rsync is a block-delta protocol, it indexes a file into a list of checksummed blocks at both ends, and only transfers the difference |
| 20:49.05 | heatman | abrotman: nah, get the same error even using that command |
| 20:49.06 | tt | I'm searching for a network manager that isn't gnomes or kde's. Any suggestions? |
| 20:49.13 | abrotman | heatman: which command ? |
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| 20:49.31 | stiv2k | cool |
| 20:49.42 | xingu | stiv2k: and, it's blazingly fast _even_ when the target doesn't exist; the native protocol is well engineered. |
| 20:49.44 | heatman | abrotman: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
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| 20:50.10 | norc | oO |
| 20:50.11 | norc | namespaces |
| 20:50.15 | norc | that looks odd |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | heatman: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-gnome<whatevertherestis> |
| 20:50.23 | xjkx | how much GB does debian's source (softwares on apt-get) have? |
| 20:50.34 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 20:50.35 | xingu | stiv2k: "module options" - the sample defines a [ftp] share path, which points to /var/www/pub |
| 20:50.39 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18715 packages, 1729 maintainers, 42065 MB installed size, 13766 MB compressed size. |
| 20:50.40 | xjkx | Not to include testing/unstable |
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| 20:50.50 | stiv2k | xingu: do i need that? |
| 20:50.51 | norc | xjkx: etch is stable |
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| 20:50.55 | xingu | stiv2k: it also sets it as read-only; tweak to suit your own requirement |
| 20:51.04 | stiv2k | im not sure what it does though |
| 20:51.21 | stiv2k | like is that where files go or come from when people use rsync |
| 20:51.23 | xingu | stiv2k: it permits anonymous, read-only access, to /var/www/pub |
| 20:51.28 | stiv2k | ah |
| 20:51.30 | norc | xjkx: actually its a lot more if you think about the different architectures |
| 20:51.39 | xingu | stiv2k: exactly so; your path identifier, references the exposed label "ftp" |
| 20:51.51 | xingu | stiv2k: the path backing that on the server end, is whatever is configured. |
| 20:51.59 | stiv2k | itsk ind of like samba |
| 20:52.34 | xingu | stiv2k: in more ways than one; the project is hosted with samba, and some of the lead samba developers created it. :) |
| 20:52.57 | stiv2k | neat factoid |
| 20:53.07 | heatman | abrotman: Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-fusion-gnome |
| 20:53.17 | abrotman | heatman: paste the output |
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| 20:53.26 | xingu | I think they got annoyed with the braindamage of smb/cifs and decided to write a _good_ file transfer protocol |
| 20:53.41 | defbyte | hi, does someone know a ogg to mp3 converter tool that is also available for windows ? |
| 20:54.18 | Alarm | hello, i just removed java5 and installed java6-jdk on my debian system and although it was installed succesfuly , when i do a java --version i get that there is no command 'java' . rockpc:/home/alarm# whereis java java: /usr/bin/java /etc/java /usr/share/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz |
| 20:54.22 | Alarm | how can i fix that ? |
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| 20:54.45 | xingu | cifs is ok performance-wise, but the ability to unpick its frankly idiotic structures in a timely fashion becomes a gating factor |
| 20:54.55 | abrotman | Alarm: update-alternatives --config java |
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| 20:55.02 | fernando_ | how can I set the variable cxx=g++-4.2 ?? |
| 20:55.20 | heatman | abrotman: says no such file or directory but package has been dled by apt |
| 20:55.21 | cast | defbyte: wtf does this look like? |
| 20:55.32 | beowulf | I AM THE RIPPER, TERROR, SLASHER, I AM BEOWULF! |
| 20:55.34 | abrotman | heatman: paste it |
| 20:55.40 | heatman | abrotman: k |
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| 20:56.07 | Alarm | ok that was it :) thank you , i am such a full, i once used this command again, i got a terrible memory, although i remember something with export. or am i wrong ? |
| 20:56.35 | defbyte | cast, i'm sorry you hate fu** ms that much =) |
| 20:56.37 | heatman | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/42834 |
| 20:56.51 | stiv2k | hmm |
| 20:56.54 | abrotman | heatman: you need the full filename |
| 20:56.59 | stiv2k | i do not know if the server is started on my laptop |
| 20:57.25 | xingu | stiv2k: invoke-rc.d rsync restart |
| 20:57.30 | heatman | abrotman: kk with the version number included? |
| 20:57.41 | cast | defbyte: if you don't care about song metadata like in id3 tags, just use a for loop with oggdec and lame |
| 20:57.43 | stiv2k | alright |
| 20:57.51 | stiv2k | so what command would i type in to start downloading stuff from it |
| 20:57.57 | abrotman | heatman: yeah .. it'll be like compiz-fusion-gnome-4.52.5.25-sr.deb or something .. whatever the version number is |
| 20:58.18 | xingu | stiv2k: so on the client end, rsync ftp::yourserver/file x:/wherever/ |
| 20:58.55 | xingu | stiv2k: actually hang on 2s. |
| 20:59.07 | stiv2k | rsync: getaddrinfo: ftp 873: Name or service not known |
| 20:59.07 | stiv2k | rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(104) [receiver=2.6.9] |
| 20:59.38 | xingu | stiv2k: rsync yourserver::ftp/file x:/wherever/ |
| 21:00.11 | xingu | stiv2k: sorry, it's been a while since I actually banged out the command by hand, that's usually deeply nested inside shellscript for me. :) |
| 21:00.19 | stiv2k | oh heh |
| 21:00.28 | stiv2k | is the x: supposed to signify a windows drive |
| 21:00.42 | xingu | stiv2k: exactly so |
| 21:01.01 | stiv2k | let me clarify i am sending files from a windows server to the linux client (which is actually my server) |
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| 21:01.16 | xingu | stiv2k: aah; in that case the share needs to be rw and you need |
| 21:01.32 | xingu | stiv2k: rsync x:/path/file.ext yourserver::ftp/ |
| 21:01.48 | beowulf | ok guys i'm gonna go watch a movie |
| 21:02.37 | xingu | stiv2k: it's always rsync src dst; so you're pushing from win32 to linux, and hence src is your local path for you. |
| 21:02.43 | stiv2k | steve@galatea:~$ rsync C:/Documents And Settings/Steve/My Documents/movies 192.168.1.146::ftp/ |
| 21:02.46 | stiv2k | The source and destination cannot both be remote. |
| 21:02.48 | stiv2k | rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1068) [receiver=2.6.9] |
| 21:02.50 | stiv2k | oh oops |
| 21:03.16 | stiv2k | so how the heck do i run the rsync command on windows |
| 21:03.24 | xingu | stiv2k: hmm; it's handling the drive letters differently to how I'd assumed; that's something you'll need to check up on |
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| 21:03.41 | xingu | stiv2k: for the moment, just cd to movies; then rsync file.ext 192.168.1.146::ftp/ |
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| 21:04.29 | heatman | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/42835 |
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| 21:05.05 | stiv2k | i am in windows though i dont have 'rsync' in the cmd |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | heatman: apt-get -f install |
| 21:05.30 | xingu | stiv2k: hmm; try the c:\ sytax |
| 21:05.37 | cahoot | stiv2k: file a wishlist bug to ms |
| 21:05.51 | stiv2k | i dunno what he said |
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| 21:06.54 | Manes | but if i try to exec /home/tor/chroot/tor/bin/tor it works... |
| 21:06.57 | heatman | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/42836 |
| 21:06.57 | Manes | any ideas ? |
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| 21:08.04 | abrotman | heatman: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install compiz-gnome |
| 21:08.20 | axolx | hey guys -- is there any tool in the debian repos to measure bandwidth? when the network is slow i want to be able to know if the problem lies between my debian router and outside world or between my debian host and debian router |
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| 21:08.43 | abrotman | heatman: erm .. append compiz-plugins to that also |
| 21:09.00 | heatman | abrotman: append? |
| 21:09.07 | abrotman | add it to the end |
| 21:09.20 | heatman | k |
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| 21:10.10 | Alarm | is there a way to get over or a workaround to the bug with the hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 ? |
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| 21:10.52 | Alarm | when i turn on my external usb hdd and try to enter the directory i get the above error |
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| 21:11.21 | Alarm | checked online and saw that it is a bug, is there somehow i could mount my drive every time i turn it on ? |
| 21:11.23 | robin_sz | hmmm |
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| 21:11.49 | robin_sz | so, why do cfgstoragemaker, snmpd and mrtg not be compatible on the same debain release? |
| 21:12.03 | heatman | abrotman: thank you seems like it worked |
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| 21:12.09 | robin_sz | I thought the idea was that the packages on a release woudl work together? |
| 21:12.19 | PetoKraus | hello, what's the sid repository? |
| 21:12.24 | abrotman | heatman: do a `apt-get -f install` .. see if it wants to do anything |
| 21:12.27 | tarzeau | !sid |
| 21:12.27 | dpkg | the <unstable> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq> |
| 21:12.27 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 21:12.27 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 21:12.36 | simonrvn | got backports installed? |
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| 21:13.00 | simonrvn | robin_sz: ^^ |
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| 21:13.07 | heatman | abrotman: kk once its rebooted.. pc freezes due to my nvidia card.. need to fix that after |
| 21:13.21 | abrotman | heatman: i don't know much about nvidia |
| 21:13.29 | heatman | abrotman |
| 21:13.37 | robin_sz | simonrvn? |
| 21:13.55 | heatman | abrotman: its okie... its something to due to me needing to blacklist my onboard card |
| 21:13.59 | simonrvn | ^^ or ^^ means look up; simonrvn> got backports installed? |
| 21:14.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:14.06 | simonrvn | ^^^ rather |
| 21:14.10 | robin_sz | hmm, no |
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| 21:14.15 | robin_sz | its all etch |
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| 21:16.07 | simonrvn | robin_sz: you sure it's them conflicting, and not some dep or something else? |
| 21:16.26 | robin_sz | simonrvn: basically, install snmpd, enable disk monitoring, run cfgstoragemaker to generate a mrtg config and the output of cfgstorage,aker does not work with mrtg |
| 21:16.58 | simonrvn | file a bug if none exist |
| 21:17.04 | heatman | abrotman: ty no more probs with compiz |
| 21:17.42 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:17.49 | heatman | Does anyone know the command to test glxgears? |
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| 21:18.04 | norc | heatman: glxgears? |
| 21:18.28 | norc | (you need to install mesa-utils first) |
| 21:18.47 | robin_sz | its basically missing some crap from snmp afaict "Unknown SNMP var hrStorageAllocationUnits.4" .. |
| 21:18.48 | DawnLight | heatman: ahm... try the documentation in /usr/share/doc/mesa-something |
| 21:18.58 | robin_sz | you'd think someone would check this stuff, no? |
| 21:20.05 | abrotman | heatman: glxgears --printfps |
| 21:20.13 | heatman | ty |
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| 21:20.23 | stiv2k | xingu: i got it working, thanks!!! |
| 21:20.40 | stiv2k | i wish rsync would tell me the speed its transferring at |
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| 21:21.47 | jelly-home | stiv2k: -P option might be useful. |
| 21:21.52 | simonrvn | robin_sz: yes, one would (i would). some people don't for some reason. |
| 21:22.22 | simonrvn | robin_sz: that could also be missing MIBs, not being loaded or something |
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| 21:23.05 | simonrvn | ugh, the weather doing crazy shit on my hips and knees |
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| 21:24.49 | DawnLight | wear pants |
| 21:24.52 | robin_sz | simonrvn: could be, but hten the generated cfg should load them? |
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| 21:25.13 | simonrvn | no, they're loaded in snmpd |
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| 21:25.26 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 21:25.29 | robin_sz | sure? |
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| 21:26.08 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 21:27.25 | acu | are the backports upgrading the kernel too |
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| 21:27.49 | abrotman | acu: they can |
| 21:29.53 | robin_sz | simonrvn: so what is the LoadMIBs: /usr/share/snmp/mibs/HOST-RESOURCES-MIB.txt line in mrtg all about then? |
| 21:30.14 | simonrvn | that loads just one, that one |
| 21:30.31 | simonrvn | that's for the client; the server also has to load it |
| 21:31.01 | robin_sz | running snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.9 seems to walk the hard disk |
| 21:31.08 | simonrvn | sure |
| 21:31.21 | robin_sz | oooookkkk |
| 21:31.37 | robin_sz | so .. you can probably tell, im out of my depth here |
| 21:31.45 | simonrvn | yeh ;) |
| 21:31.58 | simonrvn | s'ok, gotta start somewhere |
| 21:32.05 | robin_sz | should I do the other thing? |
| 21:32.13 | robin_sz | with the goats blood and chicken bones? |
| 21:32.29 | simonrvn | 'other thing'? oh, might as well, it helps |
| 21:32.32 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 21:32.37 | robin_sz | ok .. |
| 21:32.38 | robin_sz | so .. |
| 21:32.52 | acu | abrotman: if you add the backports should I take off the official repositories or it is always the newest version which takes precedence (or whatever term you use) |
| 21:32.54 | jelly-home | robin_sz: don't forget waving the rubber chicken |
| 21:32.56 | Maenad | can anyone name a decent free virtualization that can run a server within, like vmware server? |
| 21:32.57 | niklas | is it possible to install a group of tools after the installation has finished? I mean like you can do in the installation, select e.g. developer tools. |
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| 21:33.06 | simonrvn | but, you should have done that already, for breakfast |
| 21:33.10 | norc | acu: you can use pinning |
| 21:33.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 21:33.24 | norc | acu: thus only installing those packages from backports that you want |
| 21:33.25 | jelly-home | Maenad: gratis free or libre free? |
| 21:33.28 | \amethyst | niklas: tasksel |
| 21:33.30 | robin_sz | I presume its snmpd.conf that I tweak, all I doen so far is what I found in the howto, eneable the public community, added "disk / 100000" |
| 21:33.32 | abrotman | acu: you need both .. you might want to look at pinning ... /msg dpkg pinning |
| 21:33.33 | simonrvn | which reminds me... bbiab |
| 21:33.42 | Maenad | both, preferably, but at least gratis |
| 21:33.54 | jelly-home | Maenad: vmware server is gratis. |
| 21:34.04 | Maenad | yeah but i dont wanna use it |
| 21:34.15 | Maenad | it makes my ip of my host OS change =/ |
| 21:34.19 | niklas | amethyst: yay, thanks alot! |
| 21:34.33 | jelly-home | Maenad: not here it doesn't |
| 21:34.34 | acu | abrotman norc - thanks - I usually use synaptics package manager - I guess that does not have such fancy choice |
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| 21:35.26 | jelly-home | Maenad: virtualbox-ose is libre, but still a relatively new product and has bugs |
| 21:36.00 | jelly-home | Maenad: they also have their own build which is only gratis |
| 21:36.09 | simonrvn | much better |
| 21:36.22 | jelly-home | !info virtualbox-ose sid |
| 21:36.27 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose: (PC virtualization solution), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.5.2-dfsg2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5951 kB, Installed size: 19060 kB |
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| 21:36.37 | eth01 | can I get 'chkconfig' on etch? |
| 21:36.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:36.56 | simonrvn | !chkconfig |
| 21:36.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, chkconfig is if you are looking for chkconfig try man update-rc.d |
| 21:37.18 | heatman | what are the sources for non free and contrib for apt? |
| 21:37.25 | eth01 | so, update-rc-.d instead? |
| 21:37.32 | abrotman | heatman: /msg dpkg contrib .. /msg dpkg non-free |
| 21:37.39 | heatman | ty |
| 21:37.41 | robin_sz | simonrvn: so .. what else do I need in snmpd.conf, its basically the etch dist one |
| 21:37.51 | jelly-home | eth01: you can get update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 21:38.08 | jelly-home | eth01: update-rc.d is the low-level command line |
| 21:38.28 | eth01 | i'm trying to install APF, and i need to use chkconfig according to the docs. .. |
| 21:39.13 | robin_sz | w000000t! ... its snowing! |
| 21:39.19 | jelly-home | eth01: they lie. |
| 21:39.21 | simonrvn | robin_sz: well, tbh, i wouldn't recommend this since it involves editing both the init.d/ and default/ files |
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| 21:39.43 | DawnLight | wow we don't get snow here! |
| 21:39.52 | dryrot | how do i install ntfs-3g ? |
| 21:39.54 | eth01 | jelly: sure. i have noticed it works without using chkconfig :) |
| 21:40.10 | DawnLight | dryrot: from backports |
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| 21:41.22 | plb_ | Am i crazy or is there a new XMMS release out??? |
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| 21:42.08 | norc | plb_: not possible |
| 21:42.18 | abrotman | there's an xmms2 |
| 21:42.25 | plb_ | look at xmms.org |
| 21:42.29 | plb_ | 1.2.11 |
| 21:42.33 | plb_ | nov 16 |
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| 21:42.45 | plb_ | maybe im dreaming |
| 21:42.48 | plb_ | =\ |
| 21:43.05 | Maenad | jelly: im using vista though |
| 21:43.09 | norc | abrotman: xmms2 is dead as well |
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| 21:43.30 | plb_ | http://www.xmms.org/ XMMS 1.2.11 Released |
| 21:43.38 | plb_ | 211 days ago we released 1.2.10, so what better day to release 1.2.11? Download source |
| 21:43.41 | plb_ | er |
| 21:43.42 | plb_ | 1211 |
| 21:43.50 | hiwk | is there any known problems with the latest lenny i386 netinst? |
| 21:43.55 | hiwk | I try to install it, but it fails on installing base system |
| 21:44.00 | hiwk | it says it can't find mount |
| 21:44.01 | abrotman | hiwk: it's being worked on every day ? |
| 21:44.10 | hiwk | chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 21:44.19 | hiwk | and suprise, mount is nowhere to be found on /target, but it is in /bin/ |
| 21:44.19 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 21:47.25 | hiwk | abrotman: thank you |
| 21:47.39 | hiwk | I'll try an etch instead and upgrade to lenny later |
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| 21:48.10 | tokemm | hello, does FFMPEG support .RMVB files ? |
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| 21:49.21 | norc | tokemm: arent those real media containers? |
| 21:49.27 | KurtKraut | How can I know how much traffic has passed thru a specific port to a specific host ? |
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| 21:49.47 | norc | KurtKraut: iptables |
| 21:50.11 | norc | abrotman: should know the details, I dont use iptables much. *hint* |
| 21:50.37 | KurtKraut | norc, with what iptables module ? Do you remember ? |
| 21:50.38 | tokemm | yes.. |
| 21:50.55 | tokemm | but in Mencoder I can convert a .RMVB file into a .MPEG one... |
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| 21:51.19 | norc | tokemm: you can play rmvb files with mplayer |
| 21:51.31 | tokemm | I'd like to know if I can do it with FFMPEG as well... I'm trying but it didn't work..... |
| 21:51.37 | abrotman | probably not iptables |
| 21:51.37 | norc | Cant help you there |
| 21:51.38 | robin_sz | oh well, bug submitted |
| 21:51.41 | norc | tokemm: but unlikely |
| 21:51.42 | debzzz | hi, i have updated my etch but when i try to install xchat i got an error: xchat: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3) but 2.8.20-7 is to be installed |
| 21:51.43 | abrotman | probably more like something like ntop |
| 21:51.58 | abrotman | debzzz: didn't we go over this earlier ? |
| 21:52.16 | debzzz | yep abrotman , did do the apt-get upgrade but no go |
| 21:52.29 | norc | KurtKraut: as I said, I dont know much about iptables, because I rarely use it. |
| 21:52.48 | abrotman | debzzz: paste your sources somewhere .. and also the output of `apt-cache policy xchat libgtk2.0-0" |
| 21:53.00 | jelly-home | debzzz: sounds like you tried to install a package from something other than etch |
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| 21:53.50 | debzzz | k |
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| 21:55.04 | debzzz | http://pastebin.ca/781499 |
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| 21:55.29 | debzzz | im not sure if my source is with etch |
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| 21:55.39 | capiira | thats sid |
| 21:55.52 | debzzz | ow :( |
| 21:56.00 | capiira | sid has often dependencies errors |
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| 21:57.41 | elmo40 | abrotman: using the 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' is SO much better! Now it is not comparing to all the apps in their repo, it only upgrades if there is a difference. Quicker this way. |
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| 21:58.01 | keith234 | is there any way to automatically monitor an LVM? |
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| 21:58.21 | abrotman | elmo40: i disagree .. but whatever :) |
| 21:58.38 | masus | can anybody tell me the different between apt and aptitude is it th same ? :) |
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| 21:59.07 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 21:59.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 21:59.14 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 21:59.14 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 21:59.26 | tarzeau | capiira: no, some packages in sid often have dependency errors |
| 21:59.27 | masus | ok thanks |
| 21:59.59 | Jyzygzy- | iptables -I INPUT -s 192.168.0.195 -p tcp -destination-port 4000:5000 -j DROP |
| 22:00.08 | Jyzygzy- | Bad argument `4000:5000' |
| 22:00.11 | Jyzygzy- | how can this be? |
| 22:00.19 | Jyzygzy- | --destination-port,--dport [!] port[:port] |
| 22:00.21 | Jyzygzy- | it should work |
| 22:00.22 | debzzz | where can i get etch's mirrors ? |
| 22:00.47 | capiira | you can't downgrade! |
| 22:01.10 | capiira | at least not that much you will end in the hell if you try :D |
| 22:01.24 | tiredbones | I have a leny system with xfce. if I select XFCE -> SETTING -> HPLIP toolbox I get a message informing me that my HP device is not detected and that I should run the command " isusb" to determine the port my printer is on. When I exec this command as root I get that the command could not be found. Is there a package that I have to install to get this command, if so what package? |
| 22:01.35 | masus | Jyzygzy-: try --destination-port |
| 22:01.36 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 22:01.36 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:01.41 | debzzz | capiira: is Sid after etch ? |
| 22:01.45 | capiira | better reinstall or change the sources to lenny and wait till that becomes stable |
| 22:01.47 | Jyzygzy- | ohhhh |
| 22:01.49 | Jyzygzy- | :D |
| 22:01.50 | norc | debzzz: no, sid is unstable |
| 22:01.53 | norc | debzzz: lenny is testing |
| 22:02.10 | norc | debzzz: just imagine the toy story characters, could you imagine sid to win? |
| 22:02.31 | debzzz | i got ur point, im kinda new to debian :) |
| 22:02.53 | norc | speaking of toy story characters, what are going to do in 400 years, when all toy story characters are taken for debian versions? |
| 22:02.55 | capiira | sid = rolling branch, there is no sid release! in sid the new packages join in |
| 22:02.56 | keith234 | tiredbones, you mean 'lsusb' ? |
| 22:03.32 | debzzz | !mirrors |
| 22:03.32 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:03.37 | norc | do we have only obsolete, one stable and sid ? |
| 22:03.42 | norc | or whats gonna happen then? |
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| 22:03.58 | norc | I think this is an important issue :| |
| 22:03.58 | Manes | i tried to chroot tor by following instructions on http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorInChroot but when i try the testing step "chroot $TORCHROOT /tor/bin/tor" i got chroot: cannot run command `/home/tor/chroot/tor/bin/tor': No such file or directory but if i try to exec /home/tor/chroot/tor/bin/tor it works... Any ideas ? |
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| 22:06.11 | tiredbones | keith234, it could be, my fonts are awful small and I haven't figured out hoe to increase them. Thats my next task. |
| 22:06.41 | capiira | debzzz if the sid packages are ok and after a while the debian people say hallelujah then the sid packages join testing and someday the debian people say "hey testing is good enough to become stable let us freeze it and bugfix it to death till it becomes really stable" |
| 22:06.46 | keith234 | tiredbones, install "usbutils" |
| 22:06.53 | robin_sz | sigh .... |
| 22:07.13 | capiira | and a new stable is born! |
| 22:07.19 | norc | capiira: It might be important to point out, that this is unlike gentoo, where there is no difference between stable, testing and unstable. |
| 22:07.26 | debzzz | hmmm, well i guess i have to reinstall this |
| 22:07.32 | norc | s/there// |
| 22:08.17 | capiira | yeah |
| 22:08.19 | tiredbones | keith234, lsusb did the trick. |
| 22:08.21 | debzzz | since i cant downgrade |
| 22:08.39 | norc | debzzz: oh you can downgrade |
| 22:08.42 | debzzz | deb ftp://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:08.51 | debzzz | is that ok for the etch source.list ? |
| 22:08.58 | norc | somebody pls give the right command for dpkg to teach debzzz about downgrade? |
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| 22:09.14 | keith234 | !downgrade |
| 22:09.14 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 22:09.24 | capiira | you can but i think its easier for him to reinstall :D |
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| 22:09.33 | debzzz | it's ok norc, better reinstall it to be familiar with debian |
| 22:09.35 | keith234 | much easier to reinstall |
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| 22:09.44 | norc | agreed |
| 22:10.03 | debzzz | that's one way of learning :p |
| 22:10.20 | capiira | yeah if you have enough time go a head downgrading :D |
| 22:10.37 | capiira | reinstall takes 30 min on a modern system |
| 22:10.39 | capiira | :D |
| 22:10.44 | debzzz | i'll just reinstall |
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| 22:10.51 | debzzz | hah, it takes me an hour :p |
| 22:10.55 | debzzz | deb ftp://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 22:10.57 | capiira | puhh |
| 22:11.05 | debzzz | is that ok for the etch source list ? |
| 22:11.18 | debzzz | so that i can use that after my reinstallation |
| 22:11.24 | capiira | the cd should do everything automatically |
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| 22:11.42 | debzzz | i have the 2 cds capiira |
| 22:12.18 | capiira | but yeah that would be stable! and is right if you're from tw |
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| 22:12.30 | debzzz | yeah im from asia |
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| 22:13.21 | capiira | maybe http://ftp. |
| 22:13.27 | capiira | but that depends of the mirrow |
| 22:13.31 | capiira | mirror |
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| 22:14.00 | Ace2016 | yay i had the first problem with debian sid today, and i got it fixed too |
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| 22:14.26 | debzzz | lemme try |
| 22:14.43 | Ace2016 | yea my compiz fusion broke due to dep problems and i went into the archives and i got all the working versions installed, it was hard but i did it :D |
| 22:14.45 | capiira | the cd installer usually do everything you need debzzz |
| 22:14.49 | MauL^ | If I have multiple domains hosted in one computer, how should I set the A Records ? |
| 22:15.08 | debzzz | thanks capiira , imma reinstall now |
| 22:15.09 | debzzz | bbl |
| 22:15.27 | capiira | Ace2016, but then it was not debian, it was a third party foreign package :D |
| 22:15.46 | Ace2016 | -_- |
| 22:16.06 | Ace2016 | i only use linux because of stuff like compiz fusion |
| 22:16.17 | capiira | lol |
| 22:17.25 | abrotman | MauL^: #dns |
| 22:17.43 | MauL^ | abrotman, ok |
| 22:18.08 | capiira | Ace2016, so you sit the whole day in front of your pc and rotate the cube ? :D |
| 22:18.36 | minus198 | how come killall gives me "command not found" ? |
| 22:18.43 | minus198 | isn't killall standard? |
| 22:19.00 | capiira | loged as root ? |
| 22:19.04 | minus198 | yeah |
| 22:19.16 | cast | Package: psmisc |
| 22:19.21 | cast | Priority: optional |
| 22:19.45 | Ace2016 | no its faster to use stuff like active desktop borders, like edge flip on mouse, moving window and stuff, and i get 4 desktops, and i have wobbly windows and its just faster to start and i have all the apps i really need and the only game i have works on it, and i have xp in a vm so if i need to use it, if i use it xp gets one desktop and i get 3 desktops for apps, i really like to give 1 desktop per app |
| 22:19.45 | jelly-home | pkill? |
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| 22:20.16 | capiira | killall, should be installed as standard yeah but i don't know what package contains it |
| 22:20.35 | phaidros | base-system ? |
| 22:20.52 | capiira | maybe or ...utils |
| 22:20.54 | cast | apt-file search bin/killall heh |
| 22:21.08 | jelly-home | !find bin/pkill |
| 22:21.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pkill' (2): (/usr/bin/pkill) in admin/procps ;; (/usr/bin/pkillall) in utils/librapi2-tools. |
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| 22:22.04 | jelly-home | procps is not Essential, but is Priority: required and probably more likely to be installed |
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| 22:22.19 | jelly-home | minus198: so try pkill instead |
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| 22:22.43 | minus198 | jelly-home, ok |
| 22:22.44 | minus198 | :) |
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| 22:23.00 | CppIsWeird | whats the graphical configuration editor for gnome again? is it gconf? |
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| 22:24.23 | minus198 | yeah |
| 22:24.25 | stiv2k | hey if you stop an RSYNC transfer and start it back up again will it resume where it left off? |
| 22:24.26 | minus198 | gconf-editor |
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| 22:24.56 | CppIsWeird | gconf and gconf-editor mean two different things? |
| 22:25.27 | robin_sz | stiv2k: no , but it doesnt matter, basically rsync wiill be fine |
| 22:25.51 | petemc | it will if you use --partial |
| 22:25.51 | stiv2k | robin_sz: will it restart the file it stopped on ? |
| 22:26.09 | robin_sz | ^^ |
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| 22:26.38 | robin_sz | if the files are small, dont worry, or use the --partial option, |
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| 22:26.46 | robin_sz | like what he said |
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| 22:27.15 | tiredbones | has anyone here used HPLIP toolbox? If so, did it work for you? |
| 22:27.34 | robin_sz | yes, it did |
| 22:27.41 | myki | Hello. I've tried to install locales on my sid, but I get: " locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 but it is not installable". I can't find this package anywhere |
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| 22:28.01 | fisxoj | myki: yea, I've had that for over a week now |
| 22:28.19 | myki | is that somehow related to: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/11/msg00033.html ? |
| 22:28.31 | fisxoj | does anyone know how to set scaling_governor back to ondemand after resuming with Tux on Ice? |
| 22:28.32 | DawnLight | i want to compile the latest vdrift. i'm looking at http://wiki.vdrift.net/Software_requirements and i'm not sure as to which debian packages provide me with the SDL-* that is mentioned there. |
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| 22:28.59 | nkuttler | myki: get one from testing or snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:29.08 | tiredbones | robin_sz, what hp printer did you use the hp mgr on? |
| 22:29.11 | beowulf | I AM THE RIPPER, TERROR, SLASHER, I AM BEOWULF! |
| 22:29.41 | petemc | you should probably stop doing that |
| 22:29.56 | fisxoj | DawnLight: there are libsdl-{gfx|image} packages |
| 22:30.16 | fisxoj | and -dev packages if you're building something |
| 22:30.27 | jelly-home | beowulf: don't make the ops go all sparta on you. |
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| 22:30.57 | stew | beowulf: please keep it on-topic |
| 22:31.03 | stew | beowulf: do you have a debian related question? |
| 22:31.10 | fisxoj | DawnLight: so, I imagine you want libsdl-{image|gfx|net}1.2-dev |
| 22:31.35 | DawnLight | great. thanks fisxoj |
| 22:31.48 | fisxoj | nihil est |
| 22:32.16 | abrotman | stew: he's been doing that all day .. please ban |
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| 22:34.26 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, is there a good Debian rescue CD I can use? |
| 22:34.34 | Led_Zeppelin | which has lot of SCSI drivers already built in? |
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| 22:34.43 | cast | if i create a 500mb tmpfs on /dev/shm, is that using 500mb of ram even when empty? i presumed it only used as much ram as was used up in /tmp |
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| 22:34.59 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 22:35.00 | dpkg | rescue is probably at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 22:36.27 | xdcdx | I unmounted, deleted and recreated some partitions using cfdsk, then I regenerated the filesystems with mkfs.ext3. I remounted them but 'df' shows the old partition sizes, while 'cfdisk' shows the new partition sizes. What's happening here, how can I fix this? |
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| 22:36.40 | jane_k04 | hi |
| 22:36.57 | xdcdx | fdisk shows the correct size too |
| 22:37.01 | jane_k04 | is this the proper # for asking you a q about RAID 0 and debian installation ? |
| 22:37.57 | abrotman | you can try |
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| 22:39.00 | jane_k04 | I m trying to install on 2 disks 80g + 40g with software raid |
| 22:39.09 | jane_k04 | and install debian on that |
| 22:39.14 | jane_k04 | from a cdrom |
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| 22:40.29 | jane_k04 | the raid 0 works fine ( as far as i can tell) |
| 22:40.38 | jane_k04 | but when i try to install on it with LVM |
| 22:40.53 | jane_k04 | or seperated partitions error occurs |
| 22:41.15 | jane_k04 | saying too many (primary) partiions in the partition table |
| 22:41.23 | jane_k04 | any ideas ? |
| 22:44.10 | cast | is there the option to setup software raid in the installer? |
| 22:44.19 | abrotman | ys |
| 22:44.28 | cast | hmm, never noticed |
| 22:44.32 | jane_k04 | yes and it works nice |
| 22:44.35 | jane_k04 | aaaa |
| 22:44.40 | jane_k04 | i think i saw my mistake |
| 22:44.43 | jane_k04 | hold on a sec |
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| 22:50.26 | cast | i see it, neat :) |
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| 22:50.54 | jane_k04 | i was wrong |
| 22:51.01 | jane_k04 | i cant figure it out |
| 22:51.14 | jane_k04 | i have a RAID0 |
| 22:51.16 | jane_k04 | as 120g |
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| 22:51.49 | jane_k04 | and i cant install fs on it |
| 22:52.00 | jane_k04 | actually nothing besides one partition |
| 22:52.06 | jane_k04 | :S |
| 22:52.49 | jane_k04 | hmm |
| 22:52.56 | jane_k04 | it worked :D |
| 22:53.31 | jane_k04 | nope |
| 22:54.08 | cast | your life is a series of ups and downs :P |
| 22:54.14 | jane_k04 | right :P |
| 22:54.22 | jane_k04 | i ll try to reboot once again |
| 22:54.41 | jane_k04 | the RAID0 |
| 22:54.42 | jane_k04 | is there |
| 22:54.49 | jane_k04 | with one 120g disk |
| 22:54.58 | jane_k04 | when i tried to setup an lvm on it |
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| 22:55.33 | jane_k04 | it says the error and only one partition survives |
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| 22:56.26 | jane_k04 | Ill give a try without LVM on it |
| 22:59.06 | jane_k04 | I managed to have one 120g ext3 |
| 22:59.09 | jane_k04 | partition |
| 22:59.13 | jane_k04 | hmm |
| 22:59.58 | cast | doh, i'm not allowed a blank passwd for LUKS in the installer :< |
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| 23:00.28 | frankr | what command can I run to see ports taht are used nad which processes are binded to them |
| 23:00.45 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 23:00.45 | dpkg | well, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 23:02.06 | Nik0 | !help |
| 23:02.50 | xdcdx | how can I update the /dev/sda? files after deleting and creating new partitions with fdisk ? |
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| 23:03.50 | Jyzygzy- | does debian make a good gateway? |
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| 23:04.07 | Jyzygzy- | like a good NAT firewall router thingy |
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| 23:04.15 | Ronin | gave up on ipcop Jyzygzy- ? |
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| 23:04.23 | Jyzygzy- | haha kinda :D |
| 23:04.32 | Jyzygzy- | its so limited |
| 23:04.38 | Ronin | limited? heh |
| 23:04.45 | Jyzygzy- | can't install new stuff |
| 23:04.53 | Ronin | of course not, its a firewall |
| 23:05.03 | cast | Jyzygzy-: OpenBSD is really good in that role |
| 23:05.04 | Jyzygzy- | yea well i need more junk ;) |
| 23:05.08 | jane_k04 | debian can be whatever you want it to be |
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| 23:05.22 | Jyzygzy- | jane_k04 ofc but what i mean is it easy? |
| 23:05.26 | Jyzygzy- | how does it work out |
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| 23:05.51 | Jyzygzy- | i know that there isn't gonna be any nice Web UI for controlling it |
| 23:06.11 | Ronin | Jyzygzy-: you do know the more shit you install the more holes you have a tendency to make |
| 23:06.12 | jane_k04 | you can have a nice web ui or whatever for controlling it |
| 23:06.17 | frankr | Jyzygzy-: not really easy. But easier than some other distros |
| 23:06.22 | jane_k04 | but you dont want it |
| 23:06.29 | Jyzygzy- | Ronin depends what you install |
| 23:06.35 | cast | good and not limited are difficult to mix with easy |
| 23:06.39 | jane_k04 | btw i ve managed to setup the &^#(@# RAID :D |
| 23:06.41 | frankr | Jyzygzy-: I always found debian's package management system to be very very useful - as opposed to slackware where it was difficult to find packages |
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| 23:06.46 | frankr | extremely difficult |
| 23:06.53 | Jyzygzy- | yea |
| 23:07.30 | Ronin | heh my crystal ball is seeing into the future |
| 23:07.39 | Jyzygzy- | Ronin for example if you install wget it really isn't gonna make the firewall bad |
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| 23:08.07 | Jyzygzy- | but yea.. i desperatly need a real QoS with Layer-7 |
| 23:09.00 | Ronin | yep i see maybe 3 days into the future and can hear Jyzygzy- all ready |
| 23:09.16 | Ronin | Jyzygzy-: your firewall doesnt need wget why install it |
| 23:09.19 | jelly-home | Jyzygzy-: and I desperately want a pony. |
| 23:09.27 | abrotman | !pony jelly-home |
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| 23:09.33 | uau | latest X seems broken (ignores monitor configuration when starting and uses very low res instead), does it work for anyone else? |
| 23:09.34 | jane_k04 | a pony ehheh |
| 23:09.37 | jelly-home | aw, shucks abrotman! |
| 23:09.41 | Jyzygzy- | Ronin well it actually does and i already installed it ;D |
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| 23:09.50 | Jyzygzy- | someone made a package for it |
| 23:10.23 | jane_k04 | you can also combine firewall with Dia and X so you can have your diagrams ready :P |
| 23:10.24 | jane_k04 | ehehehehe |
| 23:10.28 | jane_k04 | nahhh |
| 23:10.29 | jane_k04 | no way |
| 23:11.15 | elmo40 | abrotman: when it was 'true' for Pdiffs, it would sit there, taking forever (to compare?) Now, it is more streamlined. I dont see it downloading anything unless it has to. |
| 23:11.28 | jane_k04 | or better yet with gimp and mplayer so that you can watch a few avi while the packets goes through |
| 23:11.29 | jane_k04 | ehehe |
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| 23:11.35 | Jyzygzy- | there are ppl making installation programs for junk |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | elmo40: to each their own :) |
| 23:11.43 | Jyzygzy- | i just don't know how they make those |
| 23:11.43 | elmo40 | true |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | elmo40: is it a slow computer? |
| 23:11.52 | Jyzygzy- | cause documentation is zero |
| 23:11.56 | elmo40 | just telling you my experience. I have not seen it run faster. |
| 23:12.08 | elmo40 | not too slow... 1,300 |
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| 23:14.59 | norc | I think this is the best channel to ask the following mathematical question. Is there any existing theory about negative speed? |
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| 23:15.11 | norc | or lets call it a physical question |
| 23:15.16 | abrotman | #maths |
| 23:15.21 | norc | ah, great :) |
| 23:15.24 | norc | *joins* |
| 23:15.32 | norc | unless |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | erm .. #math |
| 23:15.35 | norc | this channel doesnt exist |
| 23:15.37 | norc | ah |
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| 23:15.50 | norc | For a moment I really thought you were playing a trick on me |
| 23:16.06 | abrotman | also #mathematics |
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| 23:16.51 | multi_io | man, why is openoffice so *unbearably* slow? |
| 23:17.11 | cast | because you should be using vim :D |
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| 23:20.32 | h3sp4wn | multi_io: Its not just slow its not even that good for ms office interoperability |
| 23:21.27 | minus198 | What do I set to disable showing of leaves and joins in irssi? |
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| 23:22.02 | abrotman | "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
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| 23:23.50 | multi_io | I have an E6300 with 1.5 GB RAM, and it takes a second for a menu to draw itself, 2 seconds for it to disappear again and the background to redraw completely |
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| 23:25.11 | jelly-home | multi_io: openoffice is really a microsoft conspiracy used to make you buy MS Office. |
| 23:25.17 | h3sp4wn | Is there any of the circuit analysis programs in debian that are compatible with spice |
| 23:25.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:25.20 | vy | Hi! Isn't it possible to disable the dialog interface of module-assistant? |
| 23:25.28 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: geda? |
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| 23:25.52 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: yeah but that uses spice-ng still and that is not in Debian |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | apt-cache search circuit spice shows three |
| 23:26.19 | abrotman | dunno if that's what you're looking for though |
| 23:26.33 | multi_io | jelly-home: seems so |
| 23:26.42 | multi_io | I hear the Windoze version is much faster |
| 23:27.10 | hiwk | åä/wc |
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| 23:27.31 | h3sp4wn | I have looked at those two they are for generating the .cid file to pass to a varient of spice |
| 23:27.37 | abrotman | ooh |
| 23:28.14 | cast | multi_io: somethings wrong if its *that* slow |
| 23:28.38 | h3sp4wn | Well unless I am missing something very obvious (##electronics recommends some thing under wine and I don't really want to do that) |
| 23:29.50 | cast | opening oo.o the first time for me takes about 4-5 seconds, first blank document 2ish seconds, each one after that sub 300ms |
| 23:30.02 | JoeBlakesley | hi I'm having problems with my sound in testing |
| 23:30.14 | abrotman | does it sound like FrankTV? |
| 23:30.22 | JoeBlakesley | I get the GNOME loading sound then can't play anything |
| 23:30.38 | JoeBlakesley | after restart |
| 23:30.51 | JoeBlakesley | error |
| 23:31.03 | JoeBlakesley | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:866:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 23:31.03 | JoeBlakesley | aplay: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
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| 23:32.00 | JoeBlakesley | my only enabled sound card is showing up in /proc/asound/cards |
| 23:32.22 | abrotman | is esound running ? |
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| 23:32.30 | JoeBlakesley | alsaconf and modprobing the drivers doesn't help |
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| 23:33.02 | CaT[tm] | hmm. is it possible to setup an lvm vg over a dmcrypt partition? |
| 23:33.07 | multi_io | cast: yeah. It doesn'T even consume the CPU during those redraws |
| 23:33.21 | JoeBlakesley | I was prevously modprobing after each startup because my sound wasn't getting set up for some reason in startup scripts |
| 23:34.03 | distatica | I need help, technically, and now mentally. I installed debian using the latest netinst iso, checking only standard install and laptop (although the hard drive is attached to a PC currently). Immediately after I upgraded to testing, and did apt-get install xserver-xorg, however when I try to run startx I get the Error: No Valid FontPath could be found. I have looked and it's true they don't |
| 23:34.14 | distatica | exist, however I am having a heck of a time finding out what package I need to install to get them there. |
| 23:34.31 | JoeBlakesley | abrotman: was that to me? |
| 23:34.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:35.10 | JoeBlakesley | there isn't a process with that name if that's what im looknig for |
| 23:35.13 | abrotman | distatica: aptitude install xorg |
| 23:35.20 | zamuro | !xfonts-base |
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| 23:35.29 | zamuro | !xfonts |
| 23:35.29 | dpkg | If you are manually installing X using apt-get you will need xfonts-base. If your font aliases get corrupted, you can try dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base, yet if all else fails you will need to dpkg -P xfonts-base && apt-get install xfonts-base, so that the configuration for the fonts used in X are restored. |
| 23:35.42 | abrotman | no really .. he should install xorg |
| 23:35.55 | JoeBlakesley | its snd_ca0106 btw I'm using |
| 23:36.03 | JoeBlakesley | don't know why I keep having issues with it |
| 23:36.07 | cast | CaT[tm]: sure is |
| 23:36.16 | distatica | ahhh, now that's a sight for sore eyes, xfonts-base |
| 23:36.18 | distatica | thanks so much |
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| 23:36.34 | abrotman | distatica: aptitude install xorg |
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| 23:37.52 | JoeBlakesley | definitely never used esound |
| 23:38.07 | distatica | well, I used apt-get but, same deal. works now, thanks. |
| 23:39.45 | tiredbones | I finally got my HP Photosmart c6280 printer working with HPLIP Toolbox. Thanks to all who helped. |
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| 23:40.29 | tiredbones | HP has to more work into though. |
| 23:40.46 | JoeBlakesley | but now it has changed to 866 |
| 23:41.06 | felipeMadrid | hola |
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| 23:41.23 | felipeMadrid | alguien para hablar un rato de Etch y Java? Soy MUY nuevo en esto |
| 23:41.24 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:41.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:42.02 | felipeMadrid | hay alguien? |
| 23:42.28 | zamuro | felipeMadrid #debian-es... aquí no dan soporte en castellano. |
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| 23:43.23 | JoeBlakesley | can I totally reinstall all the sound drivers inc. startup scripts from sctach somehow? |
| 23:44.58 | felipeMadrid | sorry... i'm not looking for support..maybe some ideas for java programming under Linux |
| 23:45.08 | felipeMadrid | thanks zamuro |
| 23:45.58 | felipeMadrid | if someone wants to help me in Java programming under linux i rather will thank him/her |
| 23:46.12 | cast | well thats OT here felipeMadrid, try #java or something |
| 23:46.15 | abrotman | maybe want #java |
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| 23:46.51 | felipeMadrid | thank you abrotman |
| 23:46.59 | felipeMadrid | i am new here |
| 23:47.06 | felipeMadrid | i will try that |
| 23:47.11 | felipeMadrid | kind regards |
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| 23:48.25 | JoeBlakesley | right I only get this sound issue after gnome loads up |
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| 23:48.55 | JoeBlakesley | sounds fine until it finishes starting up and from console while login screen is displayed in X session |
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| 23:49.44 | norc | doesnt gnome come with a house-made sound daemon? |
| 23:49.58 | karmatronic | norc: esd |
| 23:50.04 | norc | right :| |
| 23:50.24 | norc | then it must be kde |
| 23:50.52 | JoeBlakesley | huh? |
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| 23:51.05 | norc | JoeBlakesley: could be esd is broken? |
| 23:51.13 | JoeBlakesley | right |
| 23:51.18 | JoeBlakesley | I haven't got kde |
| 23:51.29 | multi_io | hmm, after a restart of X, OOo is about 10x as fast as before :-P |
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| 23:52.14 | JoeBlakesley | I killed esd and it works now |
| 23:52.22 | karmatronic | JoeBlakesley: yeah |
| 23:52.30 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 23:52.33 | slocate | multi_io, 10.5.1/ |
| 23:52.41 | karmatronic | JoeBlakesley: who needs esd anyway.... |
| 23:52.43 | slocate | ? |
| 23:52.48 | JoeBlakesley | thanks |
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| 23:53.03 | JoeBlakesley | im guessing it does the desktop env sounds like windows maximsing right? |
| 23:53.14 | myki | /quit |
| 23:53.23 | JoeBlakesley | I can live without that |
| 23:53.58 | cast | seeing as its 0930, night all! |
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| 23:54.11 | karmatronic | JoeBlakesley: cool thing about sound servers is that they allow several sound at the same time |
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| 23:54.42 | JoeBlakesley | aaah |
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| 23:56.15 | JoeBlakesley | so maybe if I reinstall whatrever package esd is in |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | esd is almost as bad as arts .. you really shouldn't use either |
| 23:56.51 | JoeBlakesley | well actually I think it was more like a hdd failure |
| 23:57.21 | JoeBlakesley | but it seems ok now |
| 23:58.00 | TbbW | anyone know a way to restart apache each morning at 5am ? |
| 23:58.06 | JoeBlakesley | are you suggesting just running sound apps one at a time? |
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| 23:59.28 | jelly-home | TbbW: cron. |
| 23:59.57 | mikefoo | Hey guys I have a wierd problem, I have a NAS mounted via smbfs, when I du a file it sats its like 100 times the real size, but when I mv the file off the mount, it tells me the correct size. |
