| 00:00.01 | mikefoo | Anyone have an idea? |
| 00:00.24 | hardcampa | soundservers are completely unneccesary unless your soundcard sux though |
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| 00:00.50 | h3sp4wn | They are pretty unnecessary anyway |
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| 00:01.07 | h3sp4wn | the system sounds are annoying as hell |
| 00:01.08 | hardcampa | only reason to run a soundserver is if your soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing |
| 00:01.12 | hardcampa | as in you got an old soundcard |
| 00:01.16 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: jackd rules ! |
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| 00:01.43 | PetoKraus | hello, what is the difference between lenny and sid? |
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| 00:01.48 | karmatronic | hardcampa: with firewire sund cards , jackd is the only option |
| 00:01.58 | hardcampa | really |
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| 00:02.12 | karmatronic | PetoKraus: lenny is tesit |
| 00:02.21 | jelly-home | !releases |
| 00:02.22 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 00:02.26 | hardcampa | ok. Well in general. I think people got the wrong idea about soundservers, and believe they must have one |
| 00:02.33 | jelly-home | PetoKraus: see the links above. |
| 00:02.41 | PetoKraus | cutting trough it, thanks |
| 00:02.47 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: I can use it if I want to - but the kernel based mixing I get with the 4front drivers is good enough for me |
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| 00:03.32 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: dont get me wrong , apart from jackd for sound recording , i agree sound servers are useless |
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| 00:03.59 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: although sound transport is made easier with esd |
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| 00:04.31 | DawnLight | can't gcc use both my processors in amd64? |
| 00:04.58 | JoeBlakesley | didn't help |
| 00:05.08 | jelly-home | DawnLight: I don't think gcc can. But if you use make, you can tell it to run multiple gccs in parallel. |
| 00:05.16 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: I hate alsa and dmix with a passion (spent far too much time messing around after alsa breaks my ice based cards) 4front oss has been flawless so far |
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| 00:05.24 | DawnLight | ah... interesting |
| 00:05.28 | JoeBlakesley | esd made a noise when I reran it after reinstall but can play anything |
| 00:05.32 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: too bad it's non-free |
| 00:05.34 | fisxoj | jelly-home: how do you do that? |
| 00:05.37 | fisxoj | that would be neat |
| 00:05.50 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: Its gpl'ed for most of its cards |
| 00:05.52 | jelly-home | fisxoj: -j option |
| 00:05.55 | DawnLight | i have a big compile to make soon |
| 00:06.16 | DawnLight | would put my money to good use |
| 00:06.17 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I read the license, and regardless of what the author says, it's not gpl. |
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| 00:06.33 | fisxoj | jelly-home: does that work with make-kpkg too? |
| 00:06.44 | jelly-home | fisxoj: for make-kpkg, RTFM. |
| 00:06.47 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: You can have it either under CCDL / GPL or commercial |
| 00:07.07 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: his understanding of GPL is interesting, to put it mildly. |
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| 00:07.32 | h3sp4wn | Open Sound System is now available under 3 licenses: o GNU Public License (GPL) version 2 |
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| 00:08.07 | h3sp4wn | I thought part of the gpl was that it was all or nothing |
| 00:08.44 | DawnLight | how do i check the total size of a directory with it's contents? |
| 00:08.45 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: yeah, but the author doesn't think so. |
| 00:09.38 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: his license is gpl + additional restriction, ie. not gpl. |
| 00:10.24 | DawnLight | heh. nice licensing |
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| 00:11.21 | JoeBlakesley | aha apt-file is what I need |
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| 00:12.00 | KurtKraut | How can I change the default shell of a user that already exists ? adduser complains that 'user already exists' when I try to do a --shell |
| 00:12.04 | myki | Hello, I have problem with running X. X --version returns true (GNU coreutils) 5.97 (...). |
| 00:12.12 | myki | KurtKraut: chsh |
| 00:12.25 | h3sp4wn | I am already using non-free (nvidia) as it is so another makes no difference (as long as it works perfectly which it does unlike alsa) |
| 00:12.25 | hardcampa | or just edit the passwd |
| 00:12.39 | KurtKraut | myki, thanks |
| 00:13.04 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: if you don't redistribute it doesn't matter, right. |
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| 00:14.00 | jelly-home | Quote from http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/?p=8 -- The beauty of GPLv2 is that the license permits use of OSS only with operating systems and applications that are also released under GPL. |
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| 00:14.55 | h3sp4wn | You can get it under CCDL as well which is somewhat less restrictive in some ways |
| 00:14.58 | JoeBlakesley | me again |
| 00:15.21 | JoeBlakesley | might libesd-alsa0 be better than libesd0? |
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| 00:16.12 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: in any case, this business model doesn't seem to be working out for him. |
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| 00:16.52 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: He lastest for quite a number of years I think (and provided the original oss for linux ages ago) |
| 00:16.58 | flami | hrhr guess what the 3rd site is when you google for 4front oss ? :P |
| 00:16.59 | h3sp4wn | lasted* |
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| 00:17.19 | JoeBlakesley | amazing that fixed |
| 00:17.20 | JoeBlakesley | it |
| 00:17.27 | Greek-Boy | how do I enable ip forwarding in debian etch and keep it persistent throughout reboots? |
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| 00:17.51 | JoeBlakesley | I don't know anything about debian but one doesn't need to to guess what is going on |
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| 00:18.14 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: and the really high end cards will stay in the closed source one only anyway |
| 00:19.38 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: that might be true, but do people using those cards run linux, or, say, Windows with ASIO drivers? |
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| 00:20.24 | Greek-Boy | When I do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward it works but I need it to be persistent throughout boots |
| 00:20.37 | myki | Should /usr/bin/X11 be symlinked to ./ ? |
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| 00:20.55 | curiii | hey there. i just killed my HDD and the filesystem is no longer readable. is there a way to mount it, without teeling the filesystem? |
| 00:21.05 | curiii | it WAS ntfs.... |
| 00:21.13 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I've been using OSS while it was in the kernel. alsa is good enough now, even though it uses dmix and not and hw mixing that I had before |
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| 00:21.29 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I dunno I was thinking in say movie production I dunno what they use though |
| 00:21.50 | myki | curiii: tried to fix it low-level? E.g. spinrite |
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| 00:22.38 | curiii | myki: you think itll work with ntfs, too? |
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| 00:23.18 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I've bought linuxant, thought about XiG for X, but OSS doesn't offer that much of a competitive advantage compared to free drivers. Dunno. |
| 00:23.20 | myki | curiii: I'm certain since it's lower level than filesystem. |
| 00:23.35 | DawnLight | how do i check the total size of a directory with it's contents? |
| 00:23.39 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: my card in say three out of four alsa releases has crackling when dmix is on (and it has crystals for all the output freqs) |
| 00:23.41 | myki | DawnLight: du -sh |
| 00:23.49 | DawnLight | thanks myki |
| 00:24.12 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: how much did you pay for OSS btw? |
| 00:24.15 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I just gave up I don't think I would pay for oss but I can have it free as in beer and that is ok for the time being |
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| 00:24.37 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: paid 0 |
| 00:24.42 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: and that's exactly where 4Front's model breaks. |
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| 00:25.05 | myki | Does anybody have X working on unstable? |
| 00:25.09 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I don't think I am the target market |
| 00:25.39 | jelly-home | > What was disappointing is that open sourcing actually decreased our sales significantly. We are in unfortunate position of providing only device drivers that are supposed to be free. |
| 00:25.45 | __kaiser__ | is there a way to minimize a game, such as quake 3, in linux? I've tried alt-tab but doesn't work. |
| 00:26.59 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I have paid them before (and XiG) for freebsd drivers about 9 years ago (well company paid) |
| 00:27.40 | Greek-Boy | how do I enable ip forwarding in debian etch and keep it persistent throughout reboots? |
| 00:28.18 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: probably do the same again |
| 00:29.16 | nkuttler | myki: why do you ask? |
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| 00:30.04 | Maenad | can anyone name a decent free virtualization that can run a server within, like vmware server? |
| 00:30.06 | myki | nkuttler: I cannot run my X. X --version returns true (GNU coreutils) 5.97 (?). |
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| 00:30.27 | Maenad | vmware server makes the ip of my host (vista) change =/ |
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| 00:30.51 | jelly-home | Maenad: use a linux host :-P |
| 00:31.22 | danderson | hello. |
| 00:31.36 | Maenad | jelly-home: yeah i was afraid id have to do that, so i started a debian install a half hour ago |
| 00:31.51 | h3sp4wn | Maenad: You mean to virtualise windows ? or another os |
| 00:32.06 | Maenad | h3sp4wn: virtualize debian |
| 00:32.08 | danderson | I've just run into a very, very strange problem. I've installed the mongrel package from sid, and it appears that the /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/http11.so it provides is a win32 DLL (identified by `file`, and by various strings within the file) |
| 00:32.08 | urv | Greek-Boy: check out /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 00:32.24 | danderson | anyone want to venture a guess as to how the heck a win32 library made it into a debian package?! |
| 00:32.26 | nkuttler | myki: um... that's odd. you may want to /msg dpkg set up x? |
| 00:32.28 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 00:32.32 | jelly-home | Maenad: vmware-server works well on debian i386 for me, and also on RHEL5 x86-64 for my employer. |
| 00:32.52 | Maenad | * namit has quit (Success) |
| 00:32.53 | Maenad | lol, i wonder how long he's been trying (and failing) to get out of IRC, to the point where he has to accounce when its a success |
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| 00:33.13 | sparr__ | [how] can i run a non-executable binary without setting its executable flag? |
| 00:33.15 | Maenad | jelly-home: but i wanted to keep vista as the host, i mean |
| 00:33.37 | h3sp4wn | Maenad: I will switch my xen that I have running at home to solaris express and run a Debian domU ontop of that for my misc junk |
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| 00:34.12 | fas3r | it's possible to use two dhcp server on one subnet ? |
| 00:34.30 | h3sp4wn | Maenad: (currently its all Debian) but no zfs |
| 00:34.31 | jelly-home | Maenad: complain to VMWare, then |
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| 00:35.35 | sparr__ | fas3r: to what end? |
| 00:35.47 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: heh, I'm waiting for Debian GNU/Solaris to try zfs. (and I don't mean Nexenta) |
| 00:35.48 | fas3r | sparr_ what ? |
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| 00:36.01 | salvin | fas3r, is stupid |
| 00:36.32 | debzzz | how do i check if a certain apps is already installed ? |
| 00:36.40 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: my dom0 doesn't run anything so I am not so bothered - or if kfreebsd is stable enough in a few weeks and has it I might use that (Not sure it will be) |
| 00:37.15 | salvin | debzzz, dpkg -l | grep app |
| 00:37.26 | debzzz | thanks salvin |
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| 00:37.49 | salvin | or: dpkg -l package |
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| 00:38.01 | heatman | could someone tell me what the source that i need to add (for etch) for contrib and non-free. tried what was proposed by dpkg but it seems like i have wrong structure because i cannot connect |
| 00:38.58 | petemc | deb http://mirror etch main contrib non-free |
| 00:39.30 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: Is there anything available for Debian GNU/Solaris anywhere ? |
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| 00:40.28 | heatman | petemc: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free? |
| 00:40.42 | petemc | yes |
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| 00:41.01 | cusco | heatman: just add non-free in front of contrib or in front of main |
| 00:41.05 | cusco | in all your working lines |
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| 00:43.10 | parentheses | hi, what exactly is the difference bw "grub-install /dev/hda" |
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| 00:43.30 | parentheses | and grub (-i) then "root (hd00) " ? |
| 00:43.46 | parentheses | s/hd00/hd0,0/ |
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| 00:45.13 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: not that I know of, but DPL made some noises about cooperation with Nexenta |
| 00:45.46 | jelly-home | it would be nice if the legal status of it got cleared up |
| 00:46.38 | parentheses | Nexenta? <perk> |
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| 00:47.12 | fas3r__ | sparr_ : haa.. sorry i need to use different dhcp server by vlan |
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| 00:48.27 | a1fa | any zoneminder users in here? |
| 00:49.00 | parentheses | (or any grub users?) |
| 00:49.13 | a1fa | i use grub |
| 00:49.16 | a1fa | ;) |
| 00:49.23 | keith234 | lots of grub users |
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| 00:49.28 | a1fa | most are these days |
| 00:49.31 | a1fa | lilo has expired |
| 00:49.40 | maybeway36 | stitch hasn't |
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| 00:50.33 | snewp | hi, where can i find the dir of the TTF ? |
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| 00:51.43 | parentheses | (I had asked an easy grub question a minute ago, is all...) |
| 00:51.47 | nkuttler | snewp: i guess you search /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 00:52.20 | snewp | thanks nkuttler, found it |
| 00:52.21 | parentheses | I noticed in my Etch install there was a kernel image in / as well as the one in /boot ? |
| 00:53.23 | nkuttler | parentheses: are you sure that wasn't a symlink in /? |
| 00:53.59 | parentheses | ah thanks nk, that's prolly what that was |
| 00:54.22 | parentheses | funny thing, the install went fine but machine would not boot, darnit |
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| 00:55.41 | multi_io | I just noticed that I can lock up my X server to the point where I have to login from somewhere else and kill it by pressing and holding down a fewkey and randomly drag/click the mouse in Firefox (and probably other apps) |
| 00:56.56 | multi_io | (and I'm not doing this for fun, but because I initially managed to do this unintentionally) |
| 00:57.12 | parentheses | Gnome or KDE? |
| 00:57.14 | multi_io | is this "capability" somehow inherent to the X protocol? |
| 00:57.17 | multi_io | Xfce |
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| 01:01.47 | BEOWULF | I AM THE RIPPER, TERROR, SLASHER, I AM BEOWULF! |
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| 01:02.17 | snewp | how do i make the fonts have it's system color when logged in to root coz it seems it's only plain white when i do ls? |
| 01:02.36 | snewp | to* have |
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| 01:05.05 | salvin | snewp, add "alias ls='ls --color=auto' " in ~/.bashrc |
| 01:05.38 | norc | Can anyone explain to me the basic concept of HDCP (I mean, when does it restrict video playback?) |
| 01:06.03 | norc | I plan to buy a new TFT, but it's "HDCP" capability is slightly confusing me. :-) |
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| 01:07.40 | parentheses | salvin- you don't know offhand how to set the bg colour in tty do you? |
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| 01:08.16 | snewp | thanks salvin |
| 01:08.19 | salvin | parentheses, in the framebuffer? |
| 01:08.26 | parentheses | dunno |
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| 01:08.32 | parentheses | I did it once a while back |
| 01:08.44 | parentheses | would like to have each of my tty's a diff colour bg |
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| 01:09.58 | salvin | parentheses, grub or lilo? |
| 01:10.13 | parentheses | grub |
| 01:10.28 | parentheses | haven't used lilo since woody came out, lol |
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| 01:11.45 | salvin | parentheses, http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/ |
| 01:11.55 | parentheses | (thanks) |
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| 01:12.25 | salvin | parentheses, i use lilo :) |
| 01:12.45 | Maenad | uhh |
| 01:12.54 | Maenad | i dont see what Atalanta said... wtf? |
| 01:12.56 | Maenad | does anyone else? |
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| 01:13.40 | snewp | i'm trying to install my nvidia driver but i got an error: You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system. |
| 01:13.40 | snewp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.41 | ross` | excuse me.. how to you unpack .zip's with debian |
| 01:14.01 | snewp | unzip filename.zip |
| 01:14.23 | ross` | ty! |
| 01:15.06 | TwistedGenius | snewp, apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 01:15.11 | salvin | snacky, a package that starts with libc and ends with dev :) |
| 01:15.31 | myki | /etc/motd gets changed to The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software(..) every reboot. How to prevent it not using any scripts and workarounds? |
| 01:15.38 | salvin | snewp, |
| 01:16.10 | parentheses | lol salvin, just saw your lilo comment |
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| 01:16.42 | marek` | should swap be logical>? |
| 01:16.48 | marek` | or primary? |
| 01:16.56 | snewp | mine is logical |
| 01:17.06 | snewp | only my / is primary |
| 01:17.13 | salvin | marek`, is the same |
| 01:17.16 | parentheses | i think mine is illogical |
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| 01:17.20 | marek` | ah |
| 01:17.21 | marek` | okay |
| 01:17.22 | marek` | thanks |
| 01:17.43 | salvin | parentheses, what comment? |
| 01:17.50 | parentheses | using lilo |
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| 01:18.13 | parentheses | (I still don't get the thing about swap to physical memory ratio) |
| 01:18.15 | salvin | i like lilo :) |
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| 01:18.59 | parentheses | its nice that someone does |
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| 01:19.30 | salvin | parentheses, i have 6 lines in lilo.conf |
| 01:19.48 | DawnLight | is the etch kernel patched with force feedback? is HID_FF enabled? how can i find out? |
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| 01:19.58 | parentheses | i'm sure not going back to lilo after you sent me the splash image mod! |
| 01:20.17 | DawnLight | ah the grub splash! neat! |
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| 01:22.11 | salvin | lilo supports splash, too |
| 01:22.16 | CppIsWeird | in gkrellm, what kind of temp sensor is hwmon0? |
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| 01:22.59 | DawnLight | CppIsWeird: gkrellm uses libsensors for that, i think |
| 01:23.35 | CppIsWeird | DawnLight, i dont understand your response.\ |
| 01:23.35 | DawnLight | it doesn't help you a lot |
| 01:23.48 | CppIsWeird | how doesnt it? |
| 01:24.04 | stiv2k | whats the difference between chmod s and S ? |
| 01:24.06 | DawnLight | my response |
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| 01:24.15 | CppIsWeird | okie dokie |
| 01:24.27 | holycow | hey guys |
| 01:24.57 | DawnLight | you should know your sensors from configuring lm-sensors, CppIsWeird |
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| 01:26.33 | parentheses | (Anyone here used Shoutcast?) |
| 01:26.34 | marek` | hey |
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| 01:26.48 | marek` | how come its saying the swap partition that was found in uswsup's config file is not active |
| 01:27.11 | marek` | yet i just created a 3g logical swap partition |
| 01:27.17 | marek` | (while trying to install) |
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| 01:27.29 | marek` | its asking me to continue with out a valid swap partition or not |
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| 01:28.14 | marek` | any ideas? |
| 01:28.45 | parentheses | continue |
| 01:28.51 | marek` | without? |
| 01:29.03 | marek` | dont i need swap though? |
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| 01:29.23 | parentheses | its saying your swap isn't *active* ? |
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| 01:29.32 | marek` | yeah |
| 01:29.46 | marek` | so its saying that userspace software suspend wont work |
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| 01:29.59 | marek` | or something like that |
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| 01:30.33 | DawnLight | how can i find out what patches the debian kernel has? |
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| 01:31.13 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: you can look at the diff.gz of the kernel source package |
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| 01:31.26 | robboplus | what time server in Germany would you recommend? |
| 01:31.40 | DawnLight | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:31.40 | robboplus | i need something that i can really trust and stop using european pool |
| 01:31.53 | streuner | robboplus: nasa.gov ;-) |
| 01:32.06 | robboplus | streuner you sure that's in .de? :) |
| 01:32.07 | norc | robboplus: 0.de.pool.ntp.org ? |
| 01:32.24 | Harfish | if I successfully modprobe e1000, why can I not see eth0 on my machine? |
| 01:32.25 | streuner | robboplus: no, but its ok ;-) |
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| 01:32.41 | norc | robboplus: add 2-3 time servers |
| 01:32.43 | distatica | I'm trying to follow these directions: http://linux.seindal.dk/2004/08/15/getting-a-debian-kernel-source-tree-for-driver-compilation/ so that I can install rt2500 drivers (currently module-assistant fails with source not found) however, a search for kernel-source returns nothing of interest. Debian testing, recently installed. Am I missing something? |
| 01:32.50 | DawnLight | Harfish: ifconfig -a? |
| 01:32.57 | norc | and then configure ntp that it synchronizes with itself if other servers fail |
| 01:33.05 | norc | (so if your network fails it still works) |
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| 01:33.28 | streuner | robboplus: 198.123.30.132 works like a charm ;-) |
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| 01:33.40 | Harfish | ifconfig -a only shows lo |
| 01:33.50 | robboplus_ | re |
| 01:33.52 | suwro | morning |
| 01:33.52 | robboplus_ | sorry folks, just got booted |
| 01:33.54 | robboplus_ | streuner hm let me check the route |
| 01:34.12 | DawnLight | distatica: if m-a reports that the source isn't there, then you need to install the source package (i assume that if m-a knows about it, there is one) |
| 01:34.14 | robboplus_ | streuner you must be nasa official ;) |
| 01:34.15 | streuner | not the route..., just check the URL |
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| 01:34.32 | distatica | DawnLight: is that not what the tutorial I'm reading is talking about? |
| 01:34.33 | streuner | robboplus: no, but its ok ;-) |
| 01:34.40 | robboplus_ | streuner i don't really want nasa time server that is overseas :) |
| 01:34.54 | robboplus_ | i need something that is like 5-10ms from the box |
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| 01:35.01 | streuner | robboplus: why not? it just work! |
| 01:35.07 | DawnLight | distatica: which source can't it find? do you have buil-essential installed? |
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| 01:35.16 | hardcampa | you should use 3 servers so it can adjust and get the time "more" correct anyway |
| 01:35.18 | DawnLight | distatica: build-essential |
| 01:35.23 | hardcampa | timeservers* |
| 01:35.28 | suwro | I am having problems with java applets on amd64 debian - the question is - if i go back on pure 32 will i feel the difference? - i devel most php, images, flash, and ocasionally java (applets mostly) |
| 01:35.33 | distatica | yes, and I do apt-cache search kernel-source and it returns some stuff, not related to the kernel source tree |
| 01:35.43 | distatica | wacom tools is one, cpad, oprofile.. |
| 01:35.53 | distatica | and I have build-essential installed |
| 01:35.57 | robboplus_ | hardcampa that's how i have it now and it happens that it won't pull time for some reason... it fails once per day or so and i have to adjust manually |
| 01:35.59 | holycow | hey guys. does anyone sell cards that add pata ports for older pata66 drives? i'd like to load up an older debian server with more than 4 ide devices |
| 01:36.07 | hardcampa | robboplus_: hmm ok |
| 01:36.12 | holycow | or cards known to work well with debian i mean |
| 01:36.24 | robboplus_ | hardcampa not really sure why is it happening.. could my fault but can't find out |
| 01:36.31 | DawnLight | distatica: hold on |
| 01:36.36 | CaT[tm] | it's rare to want to change resolutions without restarting X but when you need it you /really/ need it. 8( |
| 01:36.40 | hardcampa | robboplus_: but you are runing the server not the client? |
| 01:36.41 | distatica | sure |
| 01:36.49 | hardcampa | running* |
| 01:36.54 | hardcampa | I mean.. ntpd |
| 01:37.07 | robboplus_ | norc many thanks for that de pool... just realised what i can dig up using that dns entry :) |
| 01:37.23 | robboplus_ | hardcampa nope, just using ntpdate |
| 01:37.28 | hardcampa | ah ok |
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| 01:37.39 | robboplus_ | hardcampa you recommend ntpd instead? |
| 01:37.41 | hardcampa | thought you were running the server. I always do |
| 01:37.45 | hardcampa | Even on my desktop |
| 01:37.51 | robboplus_ | hardcampa hm. |
| 01:37.59 | hardcampa | First I use ntpdate though |
| 01:38.01 | robboplus_ | perhaps it's a better idea than running ntpdate on cron.. |
| 01:38.06 | hardcampa | but I'm logged in in long intervals so. |
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| 01:39.13 | heatman | Im just installed my nvidia card using http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries . But now i get the following error http://paste.debian.net/42851 any idea how to fix that and get 3D rendering up and running? |
| 01:39.18 | DawnLight | distatica: did you try http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto ? |
| 01:39.24 | distatica | DawnLight: linux-tree-2.6.22 maybe? I'm running 2.6.22-2-486 or linux-source-2.6.22? |
| 01:39.44 | distatica | DawnLight: sure,that's where I started, then I ran into m-a saying there was no source |
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| 01:40.00 | distatica | I did module-assistant prepare too |
| 01:40.09 | distatica | which installed headers, but the source tree is not installed, I assume. |
| 01:40.16 | DawnLight | distatica: can you paste that error? (not here) |
| 01:40.22 | distatica | although /usr/src/linux contains some files.. |
| 01:40.46 | distatica | Source not found: Run: module-assistant auto-install |
| 01:40.48 | distatica | that's it. |
| 01:40.59 | distatica | after I run module-assistant auto-install rt2500-source |
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| 01:41.20 | Wedhus_Liar | Hello all |
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| 01:41.28 | Wedhus_Liar | anybody can help me? |
| 01:41.35 | distatica | oooh, wait a second |
| 01:41.44 | Wedhus_Liar | Okey |
| 01:42.02 | distatica | DawnLight: nevermind, I think I'm being dumb, I ran module-assistant auto-install now by itself, and it's installing some stuff. |
| 01:42.17 | distatica | including, a kernel package, lol. I thought that was just saying what command I ran. heh. |
| 01:42.26 | Wedhus_Liar | i want to update my Debian Woody |
| 01:42.34 | Wedhus_Liar | what must i do? |
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| 01:42.54 | DawnLight | distatica: try rt2500 instead of rt2500-source |
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| 01:43.03 | distatica | really? |
| 01:43.07 | distatica | Why's that? |
| 01:43.54 | DawnLight | distatica: i assume so becuase i ran m-a and pressed on 'select' and saw it |
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| 01:44.42 | distatica | m-a no arguments? I'm waiting for it to stop installing packages and then I'm going to try rt2500. |
| 01:45.21 | DawnLight | distatica: i don't know what m-a a-i does without further arguments :/ what is it doing?? |
| 01:45.24 | Orion_X11 | How do I remove kde desktop from my system? I have gnome and kde, but it is cosumming to much memory and I want to remove kde. |
| 01:45.37 | distatica | It's installing a bunch of stuff with apt |
| 01:45.46 | distatica | like, a LOT of stuff. |
| 01:45.48 | DawnLight | Orion_X11: you mean disk space? |
| 01:45.54 | thrashy | Anyone know of any software that can stream xvid avi's from a debian box (prefrably cli) |
| 01:45.55 | distatica | linux-wlan-ng-source just flew by |
| 01:46.40 | DawnLight | distatica: damn. it probebly is installling all the modules it knows about |
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| 01:46.52 | Tramp | !tell Wedhus_Liar about woody->etch |
| 01:47.00 | distatica | oh that's freaking handy |
| 01:47.11 | distatica | and it's missing some packages too, file not found.. |
| 01:47.19 | distatica | this could be interesting |
| 01:47.24 | DawnLight | distatica: it shoudn't act like this |
| 01:47.37 | distatica | yeah, it's installing nvidia stuff now. |
| 01:47.39 | DawnLight | file a bug report |
| 01:47.58 | distatica | grrr... I'm going to have to reinstall now I assume.. |
| 01:48.04 | DawnLight | oh my god... just stop it with control-c |
| 01:48.18 | Orion_X11 | DawnLight: No. I think it is cosumming too much memory. I have 512MB ram and the system is eating it |
| 01:48.22 | distatica | won't that break my apt now? |
| 01:48.28 | Orion_X11 | DawnLight: $ free -k > total used free shared buffers cached |
| 01:48.28 | Orion_X11 | Mem: 516456 504052 12404 0 17800 265288 |
| 01:48.35 | DawnLight | distatica: i guess not |
| 01:49.18 | Maenad | too many people start with "da" |
| 01:49.24 | Wedhus_Liar | woody -> sarge |
| 01:49.44 | DawnLight | Orion_X11: kde isn't running if you didn't start it |
| 01:49.51 | Tramp | Wedhus_Liar: msg the bot (dpkg) |
| 01:49.55 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: well... uninstalling kde won't give you more ram... but apt-get remove kdelibs might be a start |
| 01:50.12 | Wedhus_Liar | hmm |
| 01:50.18 | Wedhus_Liar | Tramp, can u help me? |
| 01:50.21 | holycow | uninstalling anying in linux won't give you more ram really |
| 01:50.29 | holycow | ram will allways be used to the max ... as it should be |
| 01:50.41 | Tramp | Wedhus_Liar: probably not better than the Bot 8) |
| 01:50.58 | Wedhus_Liar | Tramp, i have Proxy Server using Woody 3.0rc6 |
| 01:51.11 | Orion_X11 | Ok. So the solution is buying more ram. Isn't it? |
| 01:51.16 | Wedhus_Liar | using Squid 2.4, and it is to old |
| 01:51.21 | DawnLight | ah yes Orion_X11, that seems like alright behaviour |
| 01:51.30 | Wedhus_Liar | i want to update to version 2.5.9.10 |
| 01:51.39 | fas3r | i have strange problem ... my server dhcp receive repply and send response ( many ) but it just when the windows client go to take bad adress ( 165.169.21.5 for example) , it receive it address , i see it with tcmdump, i see 165.169.21.5 adress or other adress who are use by windows whenit don't contact dhcpserver .. |
| 01:51.43 | Orion_X11 | DawnLight: Thx. |
| 01:51.46 | Wedhus_Liar | but, this squid can't installed on woody |
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| 01:52.20 | DawnLight | Orion_X11: you can use a lighter desktop |
| 01:52.28 | distatica | DawnLight: ok, rt2500 compiled now. So obviously something is working. However, where do you put compiled modules? I apologize but the tutorial says: "put the compiled driver module in the right place to be used by your kernel, and load the module for you. " |
| 01:52.32 | distatica | which is rather vague |
| 01:52.36 | fas3r | so the client make many time to take ip |
| 01:52.50 | norc | What happens (or what options do I have) when I run a 4:3 application on a 16:10 monitor (with an nvidia graphicscard) |
| 01:53.10 | norc | Does it get stretched, will I get a 4:3 resolution with black bars? |
| 01:53.14 | norc | or how does the nvidia driver react |
| 01:53.26 | Orion_X11 | DawnLight: So. In my case gnome is using up my memory and making the system lazy. Is it? |
| 01:53.52 | DawnLight | Orion_X11: i'd try... xfce4 |
| 01:54.50 | DawnLight | i love xfce4. i wish my system were older so i'd have to use xfce4 |
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| 01:56.01 | Orion_X11 | DawnLight: Many thx. I will remove the memory hardware and rubber it, and clean it. Perhaps something is wrong and the to see what happens before buying more ram for me |
| 01:56.59 | twobitsprite | how do you rubber something? |
| 01:57.10 | nkuttler | Orion_X11: no, half your memory is used for caching. /msg dpkg free ram |
| 01:57.34 | Tramp | Wedhus_Liar: Well, the version you want appears to be in sarge (oldstable), so you have to update at least to sarge, I presume |
| 01:57.37 | DawnLight | Orion_X11: more ram will be great anyway, but if it is an older system, xfce4 is very good at keeping things light. and you can still run gnome/kde programs in it |
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| 01:58.17 | twobitsprite | ok, so I am still trying to set up wireless... I now have a wired network so I can chat and mess with it at the same time :) |
| 01:58.42 | DawnLight | is there a program that can monitor a file's size and tell me how fast it is changing? |
| 01:58.51 | Orion_X11 | DawnLight: Right. |
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| 01:59.18 | nkuttler | DawnLight: watch? |
| 01:59.32 | DawnLight | nkuttler: and the second part? |
| 02:00.06 | DawnLight | how fast it is changing in size. like 2kb/s |
| 02:00.08 | nkuttler | DawnLight: like... ls... du... or do you need some fancy progress bar or something? |
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| 02:00.52 | staniel | Hi guys |
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| 02:01.22 | DawnLight | !greet staniel |
| 02:01.22 | dpkg | Tag, staniel |
| 02:01.43 | staniel | I am running on a wifi connection which needs the mad-wifi to run, now after a reboot if the kernel has been upgraded, I lose the amdwifi module |
| 02:02.09 | staniel | so is there a way to make sure I have all the neccesary packages for m-a to build the module again |
| 02:02.11 | DawnLight | staniel: modules need to be built for each kernel |
| 02:02.13 | dondelelcaro | staniel: yes, because you have to build the madwifi module again. |
| 02:02.20 | staniel | well that I understand :P |
| 02:02.38 | dondelelcaro | staniel: so just m-a a-i -l kernel_version madwifi; |
| 02:02.43 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:02.49 | staniel | im asking since using m-a, is there a way to make sure I have all the neccesary packages on the local computer before a reboot |
| 02:02.55 | twobitsprite | is there a way to open up self-extracting EXE files in linux? |
| 02:03.03 | twobitsprite | (preferably without wine) |
| 02:03.16 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: if you're lucky, unzip (or one of the cab programs) will do it |
| 02:03.21 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: he probebly doesn't have the build-essential corresponding to his newer kernel |
| 02:03.24 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: I'll try, thanks |
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| 02:03.57 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: uh... build-essential rarely changes, and that command will download the appropriate headers for kernel version kernel_version |
| 02:04.07 | DawnLight | twobitsprite: i do it with ark :/ |
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| 02:04.28 | staniel | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:04.51 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: and the kernel version is the old one, not the new because he doesn't have internet access with the new kernel |
| 02:05.03 | Larks | Anyone know why samba read would be extremely slow? Or some tests I could run to determine possible problems? |
| 02:05.08 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: so? you specify the kernel_version of the new kernel. |
| 02:05.22 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: tell him that |
| 02:05.23 | Larks | Running Debian etch 2.6.18 amd64 |
| 02:05.29 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: I did... |
| 02:05.34 | staniel | oh shit |
| 02:05.56 | staniel | "bad luck, the kernel headers for teh target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." |
| 02:05.59 | dondelelcaro | I mean, if you want to build madwifi for the currently running kernel, you don't have to specify -l. |
| 02:06.14 | dondelelcaro | staniel: you're doing that while running the old kernel? |
| 02:06.17 | DawnLight | ah you did, sorry |
| 02:06.18 | staniel | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.22 | staniel | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 02:06.59 | DawnLight | so it is ok to build modules using one kernel for another? |
| 02:07.11 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: of course. |
| 02:07.19 | DawnLight | neato |
| 02:07.23 | staniel | see, I really don't car about building it, I just want to make sure I have the proper packages so that when I do reboot into the new kernel, I can build the module again |
| 02:08.04 | DawnLight | staniel: huh? this way you build it now and when you reboot you have the module ready |
| 02:08.16 | staniel | it just failed though |
| 02:08.32 | DawnLight | staniel: what did it fail on? |
| 02:08.40 | dondelelcaro | staniel: can you give us the full output? |
| 02:09.43 | parentheses | Is there a Debian equivalent of Quick Time Broadcaster ? |
| 02:09.48 | staniel | ahh hold on |
| 02:09.53 | staniel | I think I might have found it |
| 02:10.10 | dondelelcaro | staniel: note that it should look something like m-a a-i -l 2.6.22-3-686 madwifi or similar. |
| 02:10.22 | staniel | yeah - forgot the -686 part |
| 02:10.43 | staniel | checking the build logs didn't show it so I figured that was it |
| 02:11.13 | staniel | now its looking better |
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| 02:11.52 | parentheses | because QT Broadcaster makes it such a snap... I thought I heard there was a Debian verion of it |
| 02:12.22 | robboplus_ | * 0-23/12 * * * <--is this proper entry for cron task that should run every 12 hours: 00:00 and 12:00 ? |
| 02:12.22 | DawnLight | parentheses: what does it do? |
| 02:12.26 | dondelelcaro | parentheses: someone may have Debianized it, but Debian doesn't distribute it |
| 02:12.41 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: no |
| 02:12.47 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro hm.. |
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| 02:13.08 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: that will run every minute for an hour every twelve hours |
| 02:13.20 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro oh hm... |
| 02:13.23 | Lazarus | hey quick question what do i need to apt-get to get kernel modules |
| 02:13.24 | Lazarus | ? |
| 02:13.31 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro thank you, i will think it over and try again |
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| 02:13.38 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: man 5 crontab; for details |
| 02:13.41 | Lazarus | im useing a tiny install and the sources are not in /lib |
| 02:13.45 | dondelelcaro | Lazarus: they come with the kernel image itself. |
| 02:13.52 | Larks | Anyone know why samba read operations would be horribly slow? |
| 02:14.01 | Lazarus | hmm it didnt come with mine |
| 02:14.12 | Lazarus | i installed debian onto a flash disk |
| 02:14.13 | robboplus_ | 00 0-23/12 * * * <--is this proper entry for cron task that should run every 12 hours: 00:00 and 12:00 ? |
| 02:14.14 | dondelelcaro | Lazarus: what kernel do you have installed? |
| 02:14.17 | robboplus_ | :) |
| 02:14.26 | Lazarus | Linux BlackSun 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:14.26 | Lazarus | BlackSun:~/madwifi-0.9.3.3# |
| 02:14.34 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: yes, though 0 0,12 * * * is more compact |
| 02:14.47 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro thank you, i do like that one |
| 02:14.58 | robboplus_ | so it will work as you said on any version of cron? |
| 02:15.05 | robboplus_ | i never tried the , notation |
| 02:15.07 | dondelelcaro | robboplus_: it should |
| 02:15.26 | Lazarus | the errror im getting is Makefile.inc:66: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop. |
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| 02:15.36 | robboplus_ | dondelelcaro thank you |
| 02:15.39 | dondelelcaro | Lazarus: you want m-a a-i madwifi; |
| 02:15.40 | Lazarus | i checked lib and its not there |
| 02:15.43 | Lazarus | yeah |
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| 02:16.14 | dondelelcaro | don't muck with upstream madwifi source; you want to be able to remove those modules later. |
| 02:16.27 | Lazarus | can i apt-get em ? |
| 02:16.50 | dondelelcaro | Lazarus: just run: m-a a-i madwifi; aptitude install module-assistant; if you don't have m-a. |
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| 02:17.52 | norc | found the kitten again |
| 02:17.53 | Lazarus | wtf its downloading macromedia flash when i did that |
| 02:17.54 | Lazarus | wtf |
| 02:17.56 | fas3r | good night every body ;) |
| 02:17.59 | norc | abrotman: thanks to you I'm addicted :| |
| 02:18.10 | norc | I cant stop playing robotfindskitten |
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| 02:18.29 | Lazarus | uggh. its prob cause i was trying to install that last night and cancelled cause it was so slow |
| 02:20.08 | staniel | now time to test this out, to see if it really works |
| 02:20.11 | staniel | brb |
| 02:20.38 | Lazarus | this may take me a few |
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| 02:24.34 | Lazarus | awe |
| 02:24.37 | Lazarus | Installation of the madwifi-source source failed. |
| 02:24.39 | Lazarus | lol |
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| 02:24.50 | Lazarus | i must be missing another package somewhere |
| 02:25.47 | stiv2k | hey why is it that i can only view the contents of a directory if it is executable? |
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| 02:25.51 | stiv2k | u+x |
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| 02:27.03 | Tramp | stiv2k: this is not the case |
| 02:27.22 | stiv2k | well i created a directory with g+s and its for shared media |
| 02:27.27 | stiv2k | and it seems to be the case here |
| 02:27.34 | Tramp | stiv2k: you can list the directory from outside with "r" set. You just cannot chdir into it |
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| 02:28.03 | Lazarus | yay it compiled from source! |
| 02:28.04 | Lazarus | omg |
| 02:28.04 | stiv2k | when i try listing it i get something like this |
| 02:28.08 | Lazarus | it compiled from source |
| 02:28.11 | Lazarus | yay |
| 02:28.13 | stiv2k | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? Transformers[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo/Thumbs.db |
| 02:28.32 | stiv2k | the directory has permissions 640 |
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| 02:29.13 | darkbahamut | hi everyone |
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| 02:30.36 | staniel | alright, that worked, however now I got a problem where x isn't showing up properly |
| 02:30.47 | Lazarus | dondelelcaro is there a package like that for ati mobility ? |
| 02:30.47 | Lazarus | ? |
| 02:30.58 | staniel | I have dual display, a 15" crt and a 19" lcd |
| 02:31.29 | dondelelcaro | Lazarus: the ati mobility drivers are in X, and the modules are already in the kernel-image package. |
| 02:31.35 | marek` | how can i tell what wireless card i have? |
| 02:31.39 | Lazarus | hmm |
| 02:31.42 | marek` | i cant seem to find it in lshw |
| 02:31.45 | marek` | or lspci |
| 02:31.45 | Lazarus | fglx are not working... |
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| 02:33.16 | marek` | anyone? |
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| 02:34.49 | nepbabu | marek`, use lspci |
| 02:35.16 | marek` | i see a Network Controller |
| 02:35.19 | nepbabu | !tell Lazarus about ati |
| 02:35.21 | Lazarus | i regret apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:35.29 | Lazarus | omg |
| 02:35.30 | marek` | and ethernet controller |
| 02:35.32 | Lazarus | it wont stop |
| 02:35.41 | nepbabu | marek`, lspci as well |
| 02:35.49 | Lazarus | i used to think freebsd ports were bad for that |
| 02:35.50 | Lazarus | lol |
| 02:35.52 | milmazz | i recently finished to clone some computers with clonezilla, i want to know it is possible to change the hostname of every machine with dnsmasq? |
| 02:35.54 | darkbahamut | can anyone help me get my wireless working possibly? i have broadcom wireless |
| 02:35.54 | marek` | nepbabu, yeah from lspci |
| 02:35.58 | Lazarus | omg it just wont stop even after a reboot |
| 02:36.03 | nepbabu | marek`, look closely |
| 02:37.03 | nepbabu | milmazz, for i in a b c d; do `ssh you@othermachine hostname <hostname>` done; |
| 02:37.28 | marek` | nepbabu, http://rafb.net/paste/p/o78viU69.html |
| 02:37.43 | marek` | nepbabu, http://rafb.net/p/o78viU69.html |
| 02:38.09 | phogg | Lazarus: and what exactly do you expect a reboot to change? |
| 02:38.20 | nepbabu | marek`, 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4230 (rev 61 |
| 02:38.25 | Lazarus | well... everytime i apt-get anything |
| 02:38.30 | Lazarus | it trys to download flash |
| 02:38.39 | Lazarus | where does it store the info for that. |
| 02:38.48 | Lazarus | so i can stop it from trying to install flash |
| 02:39.01 | marek` | nepbabu, i'm tyring to build kernel, what option does that mean i need to specify in device drivers section of menuconfig? |
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| 02:39.16 | nepbabu | marek`, no clue man. |
| 02:39.19 | marek` | :/ |
| 02:39.27 | Lazarus | brb |
| 02:40.02 | Telstar | ok so there IS a version of QT streaming server that runs on Debian |
| 02:40.04 | milmazz | nepbabu: openssh-server package did not installed yet, the idea is to configured machines with puppet. But i need to change the hostnames of every machines. |
| 02:40.18 | stiv2k | Tramp: any idea? |
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| 02:40.29 | Telstar | but don't see any FOSS version of its counterpart, QT broadcast.... |
| 02:40.34 | phogg | stiv2k: lsattr |
| 02:40.52 | nepbabu | milmazz, no clue man. |
| 02:40.55 | proprietarysucks | My debian install has stopped at 95%, please help |
| 02:40.56 | stiv2k | phogg: what does that do? |
| 02:41.09 | phogg | stiv2k: Would it shock you to learn that it lists attributes? |
| 02:41.15 | phogg | stiv2k: read the man page |
| 02:41.23 | stiv2k | well yes but |
| 02:41.26 | stiv2k | hold up |
| 02:42.12 | Tramp | stiv2k: ?? sorry - you can see the files in the dir, as you just showed. Just not their Meta-Information. |
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| 02:44.07 | stiv2k | Tramp: it gives me permission denied when trying to view a directory chmodded 640 |
| 02:44.28 | bytekode | directories have to be "executable" to view their contents |
| 02:44.34 | bytekode | not just readable |
| 02:44.34 | stiv2k | they do? |
| 02:44.36 | Tramp | stiv2k: [03:28:30] <stiv2k> ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? Transformers[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo/Thumbs.db |
| 02:44.47 | Tramp | stiv2k: where is there a "permission denied" ? |
| 02:44.49 | stiv2k | Tramp: i thought you said that wasn't so |
| 02:44.52 | stiv2k | Tramp: with lsattr |
| 02:45.00 | stiv2k | steve@galatea:/home/media/disk1/movies$ lsattr Hostel.2.DVD.WORKPRINT.XViD-PUKKA/ |
| 02:45.01 | dalias | hey this is totally off-topic, but anyone know a safe site for sending free sms messages? |
| 02:45.01 | DawnLight | i'm getting "src/shader.cpp:132: undefined reference to `glUniform1f" while trying to compile vdrift. am i missing a library? |
| 02:45.04 | stiv2k | Hostel.2.DVD.WORKPRINT.XViD-PUKKA/p-h2.nfo: Permission denied |
| 02:45.17 | dalias | safe == does not harvest numbers for spam or something |
| 02:45.38 | Tramp | stiv2k: I have no idea about lsattr - did you ask about that? Sorry then. |
| 02:45.41 | Telstar | dalias- as many sites are there are out there, the code to do it must be out there too |
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| 02:46.01 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 02:46.04 | dalias | just code won't do it i think.. somehow you need access to the networks to send it.. |
| 02:46.11 | Telstar | yes that is the other part |
| 02:46.36 | Telstar | but that's why the technician leaves the junction box downstairs *unlocked* |
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| 02:46.55 | stiv2k | Tramp: bytekode: so directories DO have to be executable to be able to read them |
| 02:47.08 | phogg | stiv2k: just chmod a+x and you'll be fine |
| 02:47.23 | phogg | stiv2k: yes, info chmod |
| 02:47.27 | dalias | stiv2k, no, you can _read_ them without +x |
| 02:47.31 | Tramp | stiv2k: wtf - no, you just gave an example, which I repeate, that you can read them without x |
| 02:47.33 | dalias | but you can't access files in them without +x |
| 02:48.02 | Tramp | phogg: what are you saying here?? It is simply not true. |
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| 02:48.10 | phogg | Tramp: it's what he means |
| 02:48.31 | stiv2k | hm |
| 02:48.34 | Tramp | phogg: I start to get confused about what he means. |
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| 02:48.46 | stiv2k | i think i get it now |
| 02:48.52 | stiv2k | and this applies only to directories yes |
| 02:49.05 | Tramp | dalias: Although I don't quite understand, why the meta-information is not visible in the ls -l. |
| 02:49.08 | phogg | stiv2k: execute has a different meaning for regular files |
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| 02:49.28 | stiv2k | how can i chmod only directories in a given directory (assuming there exists a mix of regular files and directories) |
| 02:49.34 | stiv2k | cause i have to make them +x\ |
| 02:49.37 | synx | How do I search for packages matching certain tags these days? |
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| 02:49.56 | synx | stiv2k: find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod +x |
| 02:49.56 | phogg | stiv2k: find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec chmod a+x '{}' \; |
| 02:50.01 | Davey | Does anyone know of a guide to setting up uw-imap? :) |
| 02:50.08 | stiv2k | thanks |
| 02:50.30 | stiv2k | uh |
| 02:50.31 | staniel | Im having a problem with nvidia twinview, its showing a dual display, but both monitors are showing a resolution of 640x480 instead of what they are supposed to be configured for |
| 02:50.32 | stiv2k | which one should i use |
| 02:50.37 | phogg | or, actually, -exec chmod '{}' + would be better for recent GNU find |
| 02:50.37 | stiv2k | you guys both gave me 2 different commands |
| 02:50.38 | synx | phogg: the xargs way does it many directories at once, less executions of chmod |
| 02:50.50 | phogg | synx: like I said, + instead of \; |
| 02:50.56 | proprietarysucks | staniel: # setup |
| 02:50.58 | synx | stiv2k: There's not one way to do things. :) I like my way. |
| 02:51.13 | staniel | proprietarysucks: ? |
| 02:51.16 | Tramp | Ah I see. You can't access the inode of the files, thus no meta-information of course. |
| 02:51.17 | synx | +? |
| 02:51.46 | phogg | stiv2k: the xargs way passes as many files as possible to each invokation of chmod, which is more efficient. The same effect can be achieved with -exec by using + instead of \; |
| 02:51.46 | synx | phogg: Oh, thanks. Neat! |
| 02:51.58 | phogg | synx: gnu extension, but a very handy one |
| 02:52.09 | holycow | how do i find out what dir is taking up all the space in /? |
| 02:52.13 | dalias | tramp, the metainformation requires reading the _file_. it is not part of the directory |
| 02:52.17 | \amethyst | phogg: it's not a GNU extension anymore |
| 02:52.18 | phogg | holycow: is an X app okay? |
| 02:52.24 | proprietarysucks | staniel: myprompt# setup (enter) |
| 02:52.26 | \amethyst | phogg: it's standard as of 2003 or so |
| 02:52.26 | dalias | if you use an ounce of logic, it's obvious that it's not part of the directory |
| 02:52.29 | Tramp | dalias: yeah, I get it. It's in the inode. |
| 02:52.35 | phogg | \amethyst: afaik it is. At least, non-gnu find does not seem to have it |
| 02:52.36 | dalias | because the file may have hard links anywhere |
| 02:52.41 | dalias | okay :) |
| 02:52.43 | stiv2k | hey instead of a+x is there a way i can make it just user and group +x |
| 02:52.45 | phogg | \amethyst: ah, maybe my bsd find is too old |
| 02:52.46 | stiv2k | u+x g+x ? |
| 02:52.52 | dalias | ug+x |
| 02:52.54 | staniel | proprietarysucks: are you asking me to run that command? |
| 02:52.54 | holycow | phogg: disk useage analyser doesn't seem to actually be returning correct values for mounted hard drives at all to be honest |
| 02:52.57 | stiv2k | ok |
| 02:52.58 | synx | stiv2k: u+x,g+x |
| 02:52.58 | phogg | stiv2k: u+x, g+x |
| 02:53.01 | synx | Or 750 |
| 02:53.05 | \amethyst | phogg: It was in POSIX before GNU find supported it |
| 02:53.08 | synx | Octal is your friend |
| 02:53.14 | phogg | \amethyst: ah, I see |
| 02:53.19 | holycow | it thinks /home is 90 gigs when it acutally is a 160 gig hd formatted that way which is odd |
| 02:53.22 | dalias | synx, octal sets absolute mode, not changes to mode... |
| 02:53.28 | proprietarysucks | staniel: either that or I'm suddenly telling you random commands right after you asked a question |
| 02:53.32 | phogg | synx: octal sets read and write perms, non-ocal lets you be additive |
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| 02:53.34 | \amethyst | phogg: GNU find added it (and got it working properly) as of 2005 or so |
| 02:53.36 | staniel | proprietarysucks: command not found |
| 02:53.41 | holycow | df/du via cli seems to be okay maybe something that summarizes it a little more succinctly |
| 02:53.48 | synx | dalias: That can be both good and bad. |
| 02:53.49 | proprietarysucks | staniel: echo $UID |
| 02:54.08 | staniel | 0 |
| 02:54.40 | proprietarysucks | grep -i nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:54.53 | synx | So how do you search for apt packages using the tags? |
| 02:55.03 | synx | packagesearch no longer works in Unstable |
| 02:55.10 | Azar | huh? |
| 02:55.14 | staniel | proprietarysucks: driver is set to nvidia, if thats what you are looking for |
| 02:55.16 | phogg | holycow: du | sort -n # sort by size |
| 02:55.18 | Azar | apt-cache search <packagename> |
| 02:55.31 | staniel | proprietarysucks: I should mention it was working before I upgraded the kernel and nvidia version |
| 02:55.31 | synx | No, not the name. The tags. |
| 02:55.38 | holycow | phogg: aha! |
| 02:55.52 | phogg | holycow: fancier than that is a longer pipeline. |
| 02:56.04 | synx | Like use::browsing |
| 02:56.47 | Azar | synx: if you have aptitude installed, read the README file on /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 02:57.15 | synx | Azar: aptitude broke a while ago. :/ It's probably fixed though so I'll try that. |
| 02:57.40 | synx | OH COME ON it's 11 megabytes now? |
| 02:58.31 | staniel | proprietarysucks: found this in the Xorg.0.log 'no valid modes for "800x600,1440x900"; removing' |
| 02:58.31 | \amethyst | synx: ah, you probably lost debtags in the transition |
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| 02:59.02 | synx | Yeah, or something. debtags is for adding tags though, right? Not searching for them? |
| 02:59.24 | proprietarysucks | staniel: try a more traditional display |
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| 03:00.04 | KurtKraut | How can I know how much RAM in bytes (not in %) a process is using ? man ps is not understandable about it. |
| 03:00.13 | \amethyst | synx: debtags-edit is for adding tags |
| 03:00.31 | synx | Huh. debtags-edit is broken too I might add. |
| 03:00.33 | \amethyst | synx: the short description for debtags is "Enables support for package tags" |
| 03:00.43 | synx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:01.01 | \amethyst | synx: sounds like you need to update |
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| 03:01.19 | synx | Nope I updated just yesterday. |
| 03:01.20 | \amethyst | synx: the latest version 1.3+b4 depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.6 |
| 03:01.23 | synx | ... |
| 03:01.27 | synx | one moment |
| 03:01.45 | \amethyst | synx: oh, what architecture? |
| 03:01.55 | synx | i386 |
| 03:02.06 | \amethyst | only amd64, i386, and s390 have completed the transition |
| 03:02.07 | synx | But it must have updated since yesterday, is what it must have done. |
| 03:02.12 | \amethyst | aha |
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| 03:02.41 | phogg | I didn't know debian had an s390 arch |
| 03:02.45 | synx | I only wish I was on a RISC. |
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| 03:03.35 | staniel | proprietarysucks: thats 800x600 is the max for my one monitor, and 1440x900 is the native of the lcd... so what are you suggesting I use |
| 03:03.40 | verte | hello :) is there no package for libdvdcss in debian? totem asks for it when trying to play a dvd, but I can't find it. |
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| 03:05.05 | verte | as in, I tried the web interface under non-free and I tried synaptic |
| 03:05.05 | Unwise | verte: licensing issues - google debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:05.10 | phogg | verte: probably cannot be packaged for legal reasons. Try debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:05.11 | verte | ah, thankyou |
| 03:05.12 | dondelelcaro | verte: or see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian |
| 03:05.17 | phogg | damn it, lte again... |
| 03:05.19 | CppIsWeird | how do i get things to start up when i log into my account? |
| 03:05.25 | CppIsWeird | xinit? |
| 03:05.40 | Unwise | startx |
| 03:05.43 | phogg | CppIsWeird: I use bashrc, but for X apps xsession would be better |
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| 03:05.55 | CppIsWeird | where is it? |
| 03:06.05 | phogg | CppIsWeird: nowhere until you create it. ~/.xsession |
| 03:06.09 | Unwise | whereis startx |
| 03:06.19 | dalias | staniel, i don't think there's a real monitor limited to 800x600 |
| 03:06.35 | dalias | it's physically impossible for the horizontal resolution to be limited, in any case |
| 03:06.46 | CppIsWeird | so i create a file called .xsession and just put on the first line the program i want to execute? |
| 03:07.17 | heatman | Im just installed my nvidia card using http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries . But now i get the following error http://paste.debian.net/42851 any idea how to fix that and get 3D rendering up and running? |
| 03:07.17 | staniel | dalias: uhh.. what? |
| 03:07.22 | distatica | dalias: dunno about monitor, but my laptop does a max of 800x600, and I've looked for drivers to make it larger. |
| 03:07.23 | phogg | CppIsWeird: man xsession |
| 03:07.50 | dalias | i'm talking about an actual (crt) monitor not an lcd |
| 03:08.06 | dalias | which is what staniel seemed to be talking about |
| 03:08.10 | dalias | but maybe i was mistaken |
| 03:08.42 | distatica | ahh |
| 03:08.59 | staniel | dalias: hmm I don't quite follow but ok... |
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| 03:09.18 | dalias | what monitor is "limited to 800x600" ? |
| 03:09.19 | staniel | all im really looking to do is get the twinview working again so teh crt is set to 800x600 and the lcd to 1440x900 |
| 03:09.34 | staniel | the crt |
| 03:09.42 | dalias | what kind of crt is it? |
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| 03:09.51 | staniel | umm, a dell 15" |
| 03:09.53 | dalias | some weird fixed-frequency 27" thing? |
| 03:09.54 | dalias | oh |
| 03:10.12 | dalias | that should do higher resolutions just fine |
| 03:10.17 | Azar | heatman: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:10.25 | staniel | ah, I prefer it to be 800x600... |
| 03:10.32 | staniel | dalias: are you able to help me set up twinview |
| 03:10.34 | dalias | oh |
| 03:10.43 | dalias | sorry i dont know anything about twinview |
| 03:11.28 | dalias | all i know is that setting the lcd to anything other than its native res will be extremely ugly |
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| 03:11.37 | staniel | dalias: yeah |
| 03:11.51 | staniel | dalias: native is 1440x900.... and its showing up in 1024x768 now |
| 03:11.58 | dalias | uhg nasty |
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| 03:14.04 | DawnLight | i want a computer screen with a phi ratio. 1.618~ |
| 03:14.23 | DawnLight | 1440x900 is about it... |
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| 03:14.58 | dalias | widescreen is dumb |
| 03:15.00 | dalias | it's great for movies |
| 03:15.01 | \amethyst | DawnLight: 1440x890 would be very close |
| 03:15.17 | dalias | but a computer monitor is not for watching movies |
| 03:15.17 | \amethyst | dalias: it's not bad if you can turn it sideways :) |
| 03:15.34 | dalias | \amethyst, yeah and then everything runs slow :P |
| 03:15.47 | DawnLight | i want three 20" monitors |
| 03:15.56 | \amethyst | I've got two 21" |
| 03:16.12 | dalias | i'd much rather have one of the old full-page monitors |
| 03:16.17 | DawnLight | much fun for you indeed |
| 03:16.21 | dalias | that's roughly us-letter or a4 ratio |
| 03:16.39 | DawnLight | i want a slim serial console |
| 03:17.10 | staniel | I just want my dual display to work again |
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| 03:17.26 | smax | hi |
| 03:17.31 | smax | hi |
| 03:17.36 | smax | how do i discard all iptables rules ? |
| 03:17.42 | smax | i would like to start fresh. |
| 03:17.50 | DawnLight | staniel: whats wrong with your dual display? |
| 03:18.14 | staniel | DawnLight: the monitors are displaying the proper resolution |
| 03:18.16 | DawnLight | smax: it doesn't survive a reboot :) |
| 03:18.17 | staniel | using twinview |
| 03:18.28 | verte | hmm, I'm trying to find the url for the repository. any idea what I should be looking for? |
| 03:18.29 | \amethyst | smax: iptables -F chain |
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| 03:18.39 | verte | er, for debian-multimedia, this is. |
| 03:18.42 | \amethyst | smax: where chain is INPUT, OUTPUT, FORWARD, etc |
| 03:19.08 | DawnLight | staniel: i'm using twinview with two monitors. want me xorg.conf? |
| 03:19.19 | \amethyst | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 03:19.19 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root), or install the debian-multimedia-keyring package from the debian-multimedia.org repository. |
| 03:20.17 | staniel | DawnLight: hmm not just yet |
| 03:20.21 | staniel | see, x is loading up |
| 03:20.29 | staniel | but its just not setting the damn resolutions |
| 03:20.49 | Azar | staniel: why don't you set them? |
| 03:21.29 | staniel | Azar: I do |
| 03:21.37 | staniel | metamode 800x600,1440x900 |
| 03:21.39 | Azar | staniel: how? |
| 03:22.02 | Schalken | is configuring my debian installation to mount a seperate partition to /home on boot as simple as adding an entry to /etc/fstab? |
| 03:22.05 | Azar | uh no dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:22.12 | twobitsprite | so, I downloaded a driver/firmware package for my wireless card and it has a bunch of dll's, exe's and a cab file... which one is the firmware? |
| 03:22.30 | staniel | Azar: that wont handle twinview I don't htink |
| 03:22.34 | Azar | twobitsprite: ewww |
| 03:22.48 | staniel | DawnLight: can you post your xorg.conf to pastebin? |
| 03:22.50 | twobitsprite | Azar: I know, I know... |
| 03:22.55 | Azar | staniel: I am not sure but I guess I saw that option with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 03:23.00 | DawnLight | staniel: coming up |
| 03:23.08 | nepbabu | twobitsprite, put dll in the cab and prepare for exe hell. |
| 03:23.16 | Azar | twobitsprite: if you run Debian Linux you never "download" : is not mswindows |
| 03:23.18 | nepbabu | :) |
| 03:23.24 | nepbabu | Azar, hey man. |
| 03:23.26 | twobitsprite | nepbabu: what does that mean? |
| 03:23.35 | Azar | honorable nepbabu .. |
| 03:23.39 | staniel | thanks |
| 03:23.40 | twobitsprite | Azar: uh...? |
| 03:23.44 | nepbabu | heh |
| 03:23.48 | nepbabu | !beer Azar |
| 03:24.09 | Azar | twobitsprite: in Debian you use a package manager that downloads, installs and configures for you |
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| 03:24.55 | Azar | thank god Debian systems makes it hard to "download" crap from the net |
| 03:25.08 | Azar | well... to install I meant |
| 03:25.19 | twobitsprite | Azar: I'm not an idiot :P ... I'm talking about a firmware package that I had to get from dell... |
| 03:25.42 | Azar | twobitsprite: then get a .deb package, not dll and exe crap |
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| 03:25.59 | twobitsprite | Azar: can you point me to a .deb package on dell's website for my wireless firmware? :P |
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| 03:26.06 | DawnLight | staniel: http://paste.debian.net/42854 |
| 03:26.13 | Azar | twobitsprite: you talk about the infamous bcm ? |
| 03:26.29 | staniel | DawnLight: thanks |
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| 03:26.48 | twobitsprite | Azar: No, I was reading about how I need a firmware file |
| 03:27.10 | Azar | twobitsprite: you need a debian tool that installs a firmware |
| 03:27.30 | wols_ | twobitsprite: what chip? |
| 03:27.30 | ross` | how do i rename directories? |
| 03:27.33 | ross` | in debian |
| 03:27.35 | twobitsprite | Azar: unless you know of another reason why I'm getting "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" when trying to ifconfig up my wireless |
| 03:27.37 | staniel | DawnLight: crt and an lcd? or 2 lcds? |
| 03:27.43 | Azar | twobitsprite: but heck ! I have no idea what OS are you running, what kernel version, and what the heck you want to install |
| 03:27.46 | twobitsprite | "Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)" |
| 03:27.50 | zeeble | ross`: man cp, man mv |
| 03:27.55 | marek` | anyone know how to get the broadcom dell wireless 1380 wlan mini-pci card working? |
| 03:28.02 | zeeble | lol |
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| 03:28.07 | marek` | woa |
| 03:28.09 | twobitsprite | marek`: lol... I'm trying to figure out that exact thing :P |
| 03:28.09 | wols_ | !tell twobitsprite about bcm43xx |
| 03:28.11 | zeeble | surreal. |
| 03:28.16 | wols_ | twobitsprite: it is bcm |
| 03:28.20 | marek` | dell latitude d520? |
| 03:28.23 | Azar | :) thanks wols_ |
| 03:28.24 | wols_ | !tell marek` about bcm43xx |
| 03:28.29 | ross` | zeeble: ??? |
| 03:28.31 | DawnLight | staniel: the third option |
| 03:28.32 | marek` | i compiled kernel with bcm43xx |
| 03:28.36 | ross` | jsut tell me a command |
| 03:28.39 | ross` | i dont wanna read man files <> |
| 03:28.39 | staniel | DawnLight: 2 crt? |
| 03:28.43 | DawnLight | yes |
| 03:28.44 | zeeble | ross`: sorry then. |
| 03:28.47 | staniel | ahh |
| 03:28.54 | twobitsprite | wols_: ahh... right on... so, I need to compile a kernel? I'm running sid |
| 03:29.02 | twobitsprite | (but I haven't updated in a month or two |
| 03:29.05 | wols_ | twobitsprite: no you do not |
| 03:29.05 | twobitsprite | ) |
| 03:29.19 | twobitsprite | wols_: so, why isn't it working? |
| 03:29.28 | ross` | zeeble: CAN YOU JSUT TELL ME HOW? |
| 03:29.31 | ross` | sry caps |
| 03:29.38 | ross` | to rename fourms to public_html |
| 03:29.38 | ross` | ? |
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| 03:29.45 | marek` | twobitsprite, u need drivers |
| 03:29.50 | twobitsprite | ross`: if you don't want to read man files, maybe you shouldn't be running linux :P |
| 03:29.51 | zeeble | you dont need to compile a kernel, but that doesnt mean you dont need to do stuff. |
| 03:29.56 | wols_ | twobitsprite: cause you you too lazy to read |
| 03:30.05 | wols_ | !tell twobitsprite about doesn't work |
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| 03:30.17 | ross` | PLEASE just tell me a command |
| 03:30.20 | ross` | >< |
| 03:30.20 | marek` | !tell twobitsprite bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 03:30.24 | ross` | cmon its so easy |
| 03:30.36 | wols_ | ross`: you are right. man mv is SO easy |
| 03:30.36 | twobitsprite | wols_: I mentioned above what my error is, but I'll repeat: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" |
| 03:30.44 | twobitsprite | wols_: that's when trying to ifconfig up it |
| 03:30.45 | nepbabu | twobitsprite, try this http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx |
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| 03:30.49 | zeeble | if you google "how to rename file directory in linux", you'll find out much quicker |
| 03:30.50 | ross` | omg |
| 03:30.53 | ross` | why cant yuo just tell me how to do it |
| 03:30.56 | ross` | i dont want the man file |
| 03:31.01 | wols_ | twobitsprite: you need the firmware as the factoid tells you |
| 03:31.02 | ross` | i want rv whatever i have to do |
| 03:31.05 | ross` | -_- |
| 03:31.05 | nepbabu | ross`, yeah? |
| 03:31.11 | ross` | it take yuo 2 seconds to save me abuot 2 minutes |
| 03:31.15 | ross` | please |
| 03:31.22 | wols_ | ross`: you don't want the man file and we don't want lazy people |
| 03:31.29 | wols_ | !tell ross` about fish |
| 03:31.31 | nepbabu | wols_, hi man |
| 03:31.38 | nepbabu | what's cooking? |
| 03:31.40 | nepbabu | heh |
| 03:31.43 | zeeble | nothing has changed. |
| 03:32.15 | Unwise | wols_: gm |
| 03:32.26 | twobitsprite | ohhhh.... it works! :) |
| 03:32.27 | wols_ | gm? |
| 03:32.49 | Unwise | wols_: good morning |
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| 03:32.56 | Azar | twobitsprite: an me? |
| 03:33.04 | nepbabu | Azar, 0_o |
| 03:33.05 | twobitsprite | ohh, and Azar :) |
| 03:33.07 | ross` | actually wols its "give a man a fish, and he'll live for a day. teach him how to fish and he'll eat foreverrr ~ arrested development |
| 03:33.13 | ross` | eat for a day* |
| 03:33.25 | Claudio32m | dvd drive died on me.. i need to know whats the name of the apt-get install for gcc g++ and make.. there's a common package for all of them |
| 03:33.37 | twobitsprite | ross`: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:33.40 | wols_ | !tell Claudio32m about be-e |
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| 03:33.53 | wols_ | twobitsprite: he tries to avoid reading manpages |
| 03:33.54 | Unwise | hit him with a fish and he'll go away forever... |
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| 03:34.06 | twobitsprite | wols_: I know that, I'm just curious which man pages hes trying to avoid :P |
| 03:34.14 | wols_ | man mv |
| 03:34.18 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 03:34.19 | Azar | no, suck some fish bones and watch your brain grow |
| 03:34.31 | wols_ | !tell Claudio32m about b-e |
| 03:34.32 | nepbabu | which one? rm -rf /; ? |
| 03:34.34 | nepbabu | ;p |
| 03:34.49 | nepbabu | Claudio32m, apt-get install build-essential; |
| 03:34.52 | Claudio32m | thanks wolffc |
| 03:34.55 | wols_ | nepbabu: stuff like that gets you banned. fast. and I'm not joking |
| 03:34.56 | Claudio32m | thanks nepbabu |
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| 03:35.02 | twobitsprite | nepbabu: strange... that command gives me a lot of "Permission Denied"... :P |
| 03:35.03 | wols_ | actually you should be banned now |
| 03:35.09 | ross` | help, i dont need cp thats for copying files/directories |
| 03:35.15 | ross` | i need to rename fourms to public_html |
| 03:35.19 | nepbabu | wols_, :) |
| 03:35.25 | Unwise | wols_: yup |
| 03:35.27 | wols_ | that is no laughing matter you asshole |
| 03:35.29 | twobitsprite | ross`: sounds to me like you've been given the answer already |
| 03:35.42 | zeeble | ross`: mv is for move. now you need to read the manpage to figure out howto use it. |
| 03:36.03 | ross` | mv is not a valid command |
| 03:36.06 | ross` | there is no man file for mv |
| 03:36.08 | zeeble | geez |
| 03:36.12 | ross` | and i want to RENAME |
| 03:36.14 | ross` | not move |
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| 03:36.22 | zeeble | there is no "rename" |
| 03:36.22 | twobitsprite | !rename |
| 03:36.23 | wols_ | ross`: then you don't run debian and have no business here |
| 03:36.30 | ross` | -_- |
| 03:36.36 | ross` | i do run debian |
| 03:36.45 | ross` | and i seem to be 2 stupid to be here |
| 03:36.45 | wols_ | then you have mv and its manpage |
| 03:37.03 | zeeble | what happened to that beginner's linux guide.. RUTE or something |
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| 03:37.18 | wols_ | ross`: dpkg -l coreutils |
| 03:37.52 | wols_ | !tell ross` about grounding |
| 03:37.55 | Azar | ross`: go on a term and play until you learn, then come back: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
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| 03:38.58 | Unwise | ross`: bye |
| 03:39.35 | staniel | what really grinds my gears about this twinview shit, is that it was working before |
| 03:39.47 | staniel | now the latest release of this nvidia module has screwed it up somehow |
| 03:39.52 | Unwise | wols_: any luck with darkbahamut? |
| 03:40.05 | marek` | i'm getting error on aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 03:40.14 | marek` | lots of ERROR 404: Not found's |
| 03:40.16 | Azar | staniel: everytime you upgrade stuff, you are bound to reconfigure some things |
| 03:40.31 | wols_ | Unwise: no. he had problems with fwcutter |
| 03:40.36 | twobitsprite | marek`: try update maybe? |
| 03:40.40 | twobitsprite | marek`: worked for me |
| 03:40.41 | staniel | Azar: yeah I know... its just.. annoying |
| 03:40.55 | staniel | when it works, then all of a sudden cause they changed one minor thing, the whole works has to be changed |
| 03:40.56 | wols_ | twobitsprite: he runs etch, you don't |
| 03:41.00 | twobitsprite | ohh :P |
| 03:41.07 | marek` | nope |
| 03:41.07 | Unwise | wols_: graphics soted? |
| 03:41.19 | Azar | staniel: I guess if you create somehow a snapshot backup of your settings, when you upgrade gonna be easier to configure back the way it was |
| 03:41.25 | Unwise | wols_: sorted? |
| 03:41.27 | wols_ | Unwise: sorta. turning off acpi helps as I said all along |
| 03:41.29 | marek` | twobitsprite, did you add the contrib to the end of the already existing line in sources.list? |
| 03:41.37 | marek` | twobitsprite, or make a new line |
| 03:41.50 | Azar | there are bcm43xx-fwcutter packages for etch, lenny and sid |
| 03:42.01 | marek` | whats wrong then? |
| 03:42.18 | twobitsprite | marek`: if you're adding branches to you apt sources, you should be appending to existing lines, not adding new ones |
| 03:42.20 | Unwise | wols_: couple dsys ago he said he was running amd64 turion on 64 bit bus |
| 03:42.24 | wols_ | downside is mo acpi on a lappie |
| 03:42.26 | Nyle | you guys will be very happy to know |
| 03:42.31 | Nyle | that I am back from work |
| 03:42.45 | Nyle | alright, word. |
| 03:42.54 | Azar | hallelujah, Nyle! was about past due |
| 03:42.56 | Unwise | wols_: could have something to do with it. |
| 03:43.01 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:43.03 | marek` | still not working for some reason |
| 03:43.14 | Telstar | My sound card says it's installed but it only makes White Noise ! |
| 03:43.19 | nepbabu | hey Nyle |
| 03:43.22 | twobitsprite | marek`: did you update after fixing your sources.list? |
| 03:43.28 | marek` | yep |
| 03:43.30 | staniel | well heres a start atleast |
| 03:43.38 | staniel | I got the lcd to the right resolution |
| 03:43.41 | staniel | but the crt is black |
| 03:43.43 | twobitsprite | marek`: post your sources.list somewhere |
| 03:43.59 | Telstar | Also the sound card throughput doesn't seem to be enabled ? |
| 03:44.02 | marek` | its just the default 4 lines |
| 03:44.09 | marek` | except i added contrib to the end of the first 2 |
| 03:44.11 | nepbabu | there's a pastebin marek` |
| 03:44.17 | marek` | ehh |
| 03:44.23 | marek` | no x installed on box in question |
| 03:44.23 | Azar | wols_: last night we got the very same topic , it seems that the discussion is not over yet: bcm |
| 03:44.25 | nepbabu | !tell marek` about paste |
| 03:44.25 | twobitsprite | marek`: it might be in non-free |
| 03:44.48 | Unwise | Bye y'all... |
| 03:44.58 | nepbabu | Unwise, laterz |
| 03:45.10 | marek` | stil 404 errors |
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| 03:45.25 | Azar | marek`: is the aptitude command giving you that error? |
| 03:45.41 | twobitsprite | marek`: maybe you should paste the complete output of apt |
| 03:45.54 | Azar | twobitsprite: hold on let him answer ok? |
| 03:45.55 | twobitsprite | (in a paste-bin, of course) |
| 03:46.01 | marek` | Setting up bcm43xx-fwcutter (005-2)>.. |
| 03:46.02 | marek` | then |
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| 03:46.10 | Azar | marek`: answer my question |
| 03:46.21 | marek` | it tries to connect to http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o |
| 03:46.21 | twobitsprite | ok, so yeah it's the package that's giving the error |
| 03:46.23 | Azar | wtf is so hard to answer? |
| 03:46.35 | marek` | then a few more lines trying to resolve and then connect |
| 03:46.37 | marek` | then 404 error |
| 03:46.42 | Azar | twobitsprite: let him ANSWER |
| 03:46.51 | Azar | wtf |
| 03:46.54 | huck_2000 | hi, I'm trying to get my pcmcia working, ndiswrapper installed the driver and it shows it's associated with it but it's still not working. If I have to recompile the kernel image, is that just a question of re-installing it with synaptic? |
| 03:47.06 | marek` | it looks like error in downloading the file |
| 03:47.12 | twobitsprite | Azar: shh... he answered your question... the package downloaded properly, then when installing it, it couldn't download the actual firmware |
| 03:47.14 | Azar | ok you don't need to answer dammit |
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| 03:48.09 | twobitsprite | marek`: check the bug system and see if there is a bug on that package |
| 03:48.24 | marek` | where is bug system? |
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| 03:48.32 | twobitsprite | !bts |
| 03:48.32 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:48.42 | twobitsprite | whew, that's a long one |
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| 03:49.36 | marek` | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445133 |
| 03:50.12 | marek` | how do i make it use the alternate url? |
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| 03:50.52 | twobitsprite | marek`: I dunno, you can try pulling the package apart and see if there's a script in there you can edit |
| 03:51.18 | marek` | oh god |
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| 03:51.34 | marek` | could i just point in /etc/hosts the bad url to the good url? |
| 03:52.26 | twobitsprite | marek`: so long as the only part that's wrong is the hostname |
| 03:53.01 | marek` | :/ |
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| 03:53.20 | marek` | could i add http://ssomeshit/blah/foo.bar http://foo/bar |
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| 03:54.11 | twobitsprite | marek`: in /etc/hosts? |
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| 03:54.41 | marek` | yeah? |
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| 03:55.06 | twobitsprite | heh, no... /etc/hosts does not translate URLs in HTTP packets... it's just a mapping from hostnames to IP addresses |
| 03:55.11 | wols_ | nepbabu: you are still an asshole for this "joke" and you are an asshole for /msg people unaksed too |
| 03:55.21 | nepbabu | wols_, sorry man |
| 03:55.57 | staniel | would having the wrong horizsync and vert refresh cause a monitor not to go to its max resolution |
| 03:56.00 | marek` | i have no idea where to find any scripts to edit |
| 03:56.05 | marek` | so i'm freshout of ideas |
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| 03:56.30 | twobitsprite | marek`: if you download the actuall .deb and extract it... there's probably something in there |
| 03:58.47 | Azar | staniel: are you running Etch? |
| 03:58.57 | staniel | Azar: sid |
| 03:59.04 | marek` | how do i extract a .deb? |
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| 04:00.00 | Azar | staniel: ah so you use the nvidia installer? |
| 04:00.09 | staniel | Azar: umm.. no? |
| 04:00.11 | Azar | from nvidia site? |
| 04:00.14 | staniel | module assistant |
| 04:00.35 | Azar | what if you try to reinstall from scratch? nvidia I mean |
| 04:01.12 | staniel | well its not like the video isn't working |
| 04:01.22 | staniel | I just don't think I had the proper hs/vr rates before |
| 04:02.42 | floyd_n_milan | no xen kernel on testing? |
| 04:03.16 | Azar | staniel: this looks interesting: http://casoilresource.lawr.ucdavis.edu/drupal/node/299 |
| 04:03.56 | staniel | hmm... |
| 04:05.47 | Noboru | hi guys, how are you |
| 04:05.47 | dpkg | peachy, Noboru |
| 04:05.53 | Noboru | hi wols_ ,how do you do ? |
| 04:06.07 | Noboru | can i know, how do i get kernel 2.6.23 ? |
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| 04:06.52 | Noboru | i do not want to recompile it myself,but i need the version at least higher or equal to 2.6.23 ,because i need a module for kernel named connlimit,its included in 2.6.23 |
| 04:07.10 | Noboru | i am currently running 2.6.18-5 |
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| 04:08.12 | Azar | Noboru: Etch runs on 2.6.18, if you are on Etch and want a higher kernel you "maybe" find it on backports |
| 04:08.16 | wols_ | !tell nepbabu about backports |
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| 04:08.26 | edju | Any way to get vlc to play x-mplayer2 mime type? |
| 04:08.27 | wols_ | !tell Noboru about backports |
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| 04:10.35 | marek` | so how do i install this bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:10.38 | sdubois92-laptop | i'm trying to install the latest version of the kernel and when i boot it says "VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a corret "root=" boot opention; here are the available partitions: Kernel panic - not synching: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) |
| 04:11.00 | Azar | sdubois92-laptop: install on... what system? |
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| 04:11.13 | Azar | system-version |
| 04:11.17 | marek` | sdubois92-laptop, did you compile kernel the debian way? |
| 04:11.21 | sdubois92-laptop | no |
| 04:11.24 | sdubois92-laptop | the manual way |
| 04:11.27 | sdubois92-laptop | on Etch |
| 04:11.30 | marek` | well there you go |
| 04:11.32 | marek` | the debian way ftw |
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| 04:11.43 | sdubois92-laptop | I want to know how to do it the manual way |
| 04:11.51 | marek` | well its actually pretty manual |
| 04:11.54 | Azar | sdubois92-laptop: Etch is Debian Stable and only runs on 2.6.18 kernel: use backports to get a "higher" kernel: not the latest |
| 04:11.58 | Noboru | Azar, and wols_ ,thanks, but would this be a safe resolution by using backports ? my server is production server |
| 04:11.59 | marek` | you configure the kernel the wy you want it |
| 04:12.09 | Azar | Noboru: possibly not safe |
| 04:12.10 | sdubois92-laptop | so Etch only runs 2.6.18? |
| 04:12.18 | Azar | sdubois92-laptop: yep |
| 04:12.21 | marek` | then you use make-kpkg to make a .deb, then you install the deb and it installs the new kernel for you |
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| 04:12.25 | sdubois92-laptop | why? |
| 04:12.33 | Azar | because is stable :) |
| 04:12.55 | Azar | "latest" !=stable |
| 04:13.01 | marek` | read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 04:13.14 | wols_ | sdubois92-laptop: why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 04:13.26 | wols_ | sdubois92-laptop: also, we don't really support the manual way |
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| 04:13.41 | marek` | i got same error when i tried to do the manual way |
| 04:13.43 | marek` | :/ |
| 04:13.47 | marek` | debian way is much better |
| 04:14.25 | marek` | anyways anyone know how to resolve the bcm43xx-fwcutter 404 error problem? |
| 04:14.28 | wols_ | marek`: the reason this error happens is not manual way or debian way but how the kernel was configured |
| 04:14.55 | marek` | isnt the kernel panic because some files werent put in right place? |
| 04:15.02 | wols_ | marek`: sure: edit the postinst script with the proper ur backport the package from lenny/sid |
| 04:15.09 | wols_ | marek`: no |
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| 04:15.20 | wols_ | s/ur/url or/ |
| 04:15.42 | marek` | how do i backport it from lenny/sid? |
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| 04:15.58 | wols_ | !tell marek` abot simple sid backport |
| 04:16.19 | sdubois92-laptop | what will happen when they run out of Toy Story characters |
| 04:16.19 | wols_ | !tell marek` about simple sid backport |
| 04:16.30 | Azar | sdubois92-laptop: it is "de gustibus": it only depends what you want to run and how experienced you are: Debian Etch is the stable version for people who mainly needs security/stability versus latest kernel, latest games, latest packages |
| 04:16.33 | wols_ | sdubois92-laptop: world ends |
| 04:16.55 | Mr|Dave | i'm having a problem with a missing superblock on a 2 disk raid1 of which 1 of the disks seems to have gone (physically) missing. google doesn't seem to be very helpful with disappearing superblocks, can anyone help point me in the right direction? |
| 04:17.04 | Azar | nooooo we gonna start Toy Story 2nd season: slink2, potato2, woody2... |
| 04:17.09 | marek` | can i use those same commands with aptitude |
| 04:17.12 | marek` | the -b and stuff |
| 04:18.00 | Noboru | Azar, if i use backports, only install kernel 2.6.23, after this is done,i remove the source from source.1st ,will this be ok ? |
| 04:18.02 | sdubois92-laptop | I feel much better saying I use Debian Etch rather than saying Debian Potato |
| 04:18.05 | sdubois92-laptop | hehe |
| 04:18.17 | Azar | Noboru: you can just #comment it |
| 04:18.32 | Noboru | yeah whatever, i mean will this break apt ? |
| 04:18.51 | sdubois92-laptop | so what is the debian way to update the kernel |
| 04:18.53 | Azar | Noboru: no, but when you will do in the future security upgrades, gonna hiccup. |
| 04:19.01 | wols_ | !tell sdubois92-laptop about kp |
| 04:19.22 | Azar | Noboru: so use the source for backports, then when done, #comment the line and save the sources.list |
| 04:19.23 | Noboru | hiccup ? |
| 04:19.27 | wols_ | sdubois92-laptop: you haven't answered: why do you need another kernel? |
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| 04:19.51 | sdubois92-laptop | wols_: just for the experience |
| 04:19.58 | wols_ | Noboru: if there are security updates for the kenrel in the future you won#t get them |
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| 04:20.22 | Mr|Dave | an --examine --scan finds the superblock, but a straight --examine /dev/devicename does not, if that helps |
| 04:20.27 | Noboru | wols_, I see, so i think i better do not do this but wait for the 2.6.23 is out in debian |
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| 04:20.49 | Noboru | Thanks, i have another question please |
| 04:20.56 | Azar | sdubois92-laptop, Noboru, people usually go for a higher kernel out of necessity (hardwar issues), not that it has a brighter color |
| 04:21.03 | wols_ | Noboru: you will wait for about 1 or 2 years then |
| 04:21.23 | marek` | wols_, okay now that i got the deb installed should i remove it from sources.list? |
| 04:21.45 | Noboru | 1 to 1 year ? just from 2.6.18 to 2.6.xx ? |
| 04:21.47 | Azar | if you guys don't really need a newer kernel , but only "just because" you rather keep a well running system and stay with what you got |
| 04:22.13 | Azar | Noboru: if that warms you up, I am on Sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel and works fantastic |
| 04:22.21 | marek` | twobitsprite, after you got it installed what did you do to get wireless working? |
| 04:22.22 | wols_ | Noboru: etch is stable and will keep its kernel until lenny becomes stable. which will take about 1-2 years |
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| 04:22.47 | Noboru | I see |
| 04:22.49 | Wyzard | Well, there's some talk of releasing an optional "etch-and-a-half" update, which would include 2.6.22 or 2.6.23 |
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| 04:23.17 | Azar | yea, towards the end of life of Etch... gonna get a 2.6.23 I guess |
| 04:23.22 | Telstar | I have sound in a terminal, but not in Gnome... can someone give me a hint where to start? |
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| 04:23.30 | axscode | can someone look there apt-cache for me for boomerang ? if its available on apt.. |
| 04:23.31 | wols_ | Wyzard: just like there was definite statement that there would be a new kernel every ~6 months for etch to be compatible with new hardware (to avoid the kmuto scenario) |
| 04:23.44 | wols_ | it's more than 6 months after etch release. have you seen a new kernel yet? |
| 04:24.02 | Wyzard | wols_: Well, they missed the 6-month window, but I think that's more or less what etch-and-a-half is supposed to be |
| 04:24.05 | wols_ | !tell axscode about search |
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| 04:24.12 | Azar | axscode: apt will only look for a package that is on YOUR OWN repository: Etch, Lenny or Sid < one of them |
| 04:24.23 | axscode | wols: im on slack.. im asking if theres boomerang in the debian apt |
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| 04:24.37 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:24.44 | wols_ | axscode: and dpkg just told you how you can do this. don't be so lazy to not read 3 lines |
| 04:24.51 | Wyzard | wols_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2007/10/msg00330.html |
| 04:25.05 | Azar | axscode: look for yourself: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 04:25.11 | axscode | there. thanks.. |
| 04:25.13 | moprilo | hi guys.., can i get a recommendation on what to use for JSP's pages on debian? (apache-tomcat doesn't seem to be very popular?) |
| 04:25.47 | wols_ | Wyzard: I don't doubt you. there've been mails about kernel updates too... |
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| 04:25.48 | axscode | and i was told about dpkg. hehe |
| 04:25.49 | Noboru | wols_, i wonder if i install kernel from backport, will it be loaded properly with stuff i need like them are in my current etch,my current kenrel came from debian |
| 04:26.10 | Wyzard | moprilo: Tomcat seems more popular than any other free servlet container at least |
| 04:26.35 | Wyzard | moprilo: and it's included within JBoss (which is a full J2EE implementation) |
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| 04:26.40 | marek` | wols_, should i remove the sid entry from sources.list after installing the bcm43xx-fwcutter? |
| 04:26.50 | axscode | oh, theres none.. |
| 04:26.55 | cmanns | error: Cannot find MySQL header files I get that when compiling php, What package of mysql do I need to install I got mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common :3 |
| 04:27.07 | axscode | someone should make a .deb for boomerang. nice tools |
| 04:27.08 | DawnLight | how can i tell mv to move hidden files? |
| 04:27.09 | axscode | :) |
| 04:27.16 | wols_ | cmanns: the -dev files |
| 04:27.22 | moprilo | Wyzard: JBoss installs apache? |
| 04:27.22 | Wyzard | cmanns: Why are you compiling PHP when it's packaged already? |
| 04:27.31 | moprilo | or is JBoss has its own |
| 04:27.33 | moprilo | ? |
| 04:27.38 | Wyzard | moprilo: no, JBoss is its own HTTP server and doesn't need apache |
| 04:27.49 | wols_ | Wyzard: my guess is due to php 5.2.5 |
| 04:27.54 | moprilo | Wyzard:great.. thanks!, i'll try that |
| 04:27.54 | Wyzard | moprilo: Actually, Tomcast is the HTTP server in JBoss :-) |
| 04:28.11 | wols_ | cmanns: learn to use apt-get build-dep |
| 04:28.11 | Wyzard | *Tomcat |
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| 04:28.43 | cmanns | I can't find any dev files wols_ |
| 04:28.51 | Wyzard | wols_: What's special about 5.2.5? |
| 04:29.12 | wols_ | nothing. but it fixes exploits as is usualy with php... |
| 04:29.31 | wols_ | and last I looked, security.debian.org didn't say anything, yet |
| 04:30.00 | cmanns | None of the mysql packages i can find have -dev wols_ |
| 04:30.31 | Wyzard | cmanns: libmysqlclient-dev probably |
| 04:30.46 | wols_ | cmanns: you arenot looking then. apt-cache search mysql|grep mysql|grep dev |
| 04:30.48 | Wyzard | cmanns: but use the package unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise |
| 04:31.00 | cmanns | Yeah I searched bad wols_ my bad :( |
| 04:31.17 | wols_ | cmanns: but the way you are compiling your php breaks your debian package management. which means #debian shouldn't help you anyways |
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| 04:31.33 | cmanns | lol wow |
| 04:32.22 | Azar | cmanns: make nice and get the right way of compiling from mentors here |
| 04:32.49 | twiggz | anyone in southwestern arkansas here? |
| 04:33.02 | wols_ | !polls |
| 04:33.02 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 04:33.03 | Nyle | twiggz: you wanna go on a date? |
| 04:33.08 | cmanns | The last time I used php5-cgi from deb package manager it used too much memory I don't got much on this system is just for home use |
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| 04:33.18 | twiggz | No, a friend of mine and myself are starting a usergroup. |
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| 04:33.26 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:33.29 | wols_ | cmanns: that's no reason to compile it the way you do |
| 04:33.29 | Nyle | try ##linux |
| 04:33.40 | cmanns | wols_, why not? |
| 04:33.47 | Nyle | Azar: yes my friend? |
| 04:33.48 | twiggz | im banned in linux, i called SaveTheWOrld a piece of shit. |
| 04:33.49 | Wyzard | cmanns: Why would compiling it make it use less memory? |
| 04:33.52 | twiggz | ##linux |
| 04:33.53 | twiggz | that is |
| 04:33.54 | twiggz | lol |
| 04:33.57 | Nyle | Azar: do YOU wanna go out on a date? |
| 04:34.00 | cmanns | because I can disable everything I wont use |
| 04:34.02 | wols_ | cause it breaks your packagemanagement and it can be reached easily in a dbeian way |
| 04:34.03 | twiggz | hes a savetheworld hump the whales asshole. |
| 04:34.11 | Azar | Nyle: I was just thinking you never proposed to me this way |
| 04:34.26 | wols_ | cmanns: you can do this with the debian packages too. no need to compile the php.net source |
| 04:34.27 | Nyle | twiggz: Azar: i never said 'with me'. I just asked if ya'll wanted to go out on dates :D |
| 04:34.30 | Nyle | ahaha, burn |
| 04:34.32 | cmanns | oh |
| 04:34.34 | cmanns | Oh Well to late now |
| 04:34.44 | Azar | ;/ |
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| 04:35.05 | Nyle | its alright man smile |
| 04:35.10 | Wyzard | cmanns: Parts of programs that aren't being used get swapped out and effectively don't actually take up RAM |
| 04:35.20 | Nyle | I will come over one day and you will find me some california chronic and we'll party |
| 04:35.21 | Azar | Nyle: I can see you have a "rahul" withdrawal syndrome |
| 04:35.27 | Nyle | what? |
| 04:35.30 | cmanns | I'm used to it this way wols_ and due to my bad memory I need to stay used to it :) all these centos servers I have to manage don't have php-cgi in thir packages |
| 04:35.31 | Azar | :) |
| 04:35.31 | Nyle | no way |
| 04:35.32 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:35.50 | Nyle | centos sounds like mentos |
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| 04:35.53 | Nyle | happy fresh time |
| 04:35.57 | Nyle | sickens me. |
| 04:36.03 | Azar | cmanns: if I were you I'd buy wols dinner to teach me the right way |
| 04:36.03 | cmanns | Centos doesn't work right ever :( |
| 04:36.08 | Nyle | that too |
| 04:36.17 | cmanns | to teach you what |
| 04:36.20 | mesa-opiate | I would like to install debian on a laptop with no floppy,cdrom/dvd. Only bootable from hdd ( until I get an external floppy or cd ). Is this possible with netboot ? |
| 04:36.25 | Nyle | Azar: its that easy |
| 04:36.27 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:36.34 | Azar | cmanns: how to do things the Debian way |
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| 04:36.40 | Nyle | wols_: what do you want for dinner |
| 04:36.42 | Nyle | :D |
| 04:36.50 | cmanns | soilent green. |
| 04:36.54 | cmanns | :3 |
| 04:36.58 | wols_ | to eat without the blabber of Nyle |
| 04:37.05 | Azar | :) |
| 04:37.06 | cmanns | ...lol |
| 04:37.07 | Nyle | the guitarist from that band still has my damn amp |
| 04:37.08 | ppalmes | hi. if i have a folder with html docs. what's the script to print all htmls in this folder? |
| 04:37.10 | Nyle | that thief |
| 04:37.13 | Wyzard | cmanns: and the php5-cgi package isn't a big package anyway -- most of the PHP functions are in separate packages, and you only install the ones you want to use |
| 04:37.21 | mesa-opiate | win98 currently on the laptop. which I would like to resize the partition and leave it bootable also. |
| 04:37.25 | Wyzard | cmanns: php5-mysql, for example |
| 04:37.29 | Nyle | wols_: oh man |
| 04:37.32 | Nyle | that was a burn |
| 04:37.39 | Nyle | damn |
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| 04:38.08 | cmanns | Wyzard, yeah I dunno all I remember is I apt-get php5-mysql php5-gd and maybe 1 other package, the sites were performing horrible so I compiled php-cgi and it was better |
| 04:38.26 | cmanns | Anyways bye |
| 04:38.55 | Wyzard | cmanns: btw, the Apache module is often preferable over the CGI version of PHP |
| 04:39.01 | niru | I have 2.6.18 nautilus |
| 04:39.05 | cmanns | I don't use apache Wyzard :) |
| 04:39.11 | niru | How can i change the color of the fonts on the desktop |
| 04:39.40 | ppalmes | what is the command to convert html to pdf? |
| 04:39.43 | cmanns | niru, I'm sure in the settings of your display manager |
| 04:39.49 | cmanns | theme's or something :3 |
| 04:41.31 | Wyzard | I'm not sure if Nautilus supports customizing that, actually |
| 04:41.35 | Wyzard | I've never seen a setting for it |
| 04:42.32 | techrush | i dont think it does |
| 04:42.39 | techrush | the gnome guys would probably know |
| 04:43.00 | techrush | there may be a gconf setting burried deep somewhere |
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| 04:48.10 | Mr|Dave | can anyone help me change the major and minor blocks on a device? |
| 04:48.26 | mesa-opiate | man mknode |
| 04:48.30 | Mr|Dave | i can't use mknod because the device already exists |
| 04:48.30 | Wyzard | You mean the major and minor numbers of a device file? |
| 04:48.32 | Mr|Dave | yes |
| 04:48.34 | DawnLight | i'm looking to find whether or not the debian kernel has the force feedback patch. i'm looking in the /usr/src/kernel-patches which was installed by linux-patch-debian-* but i don't know exacftly what i'm looking for. my lead is "HID_FF is enabled in your kernel" |
| 04:48.37 | Wyzard | then rm it |
| 04:48.40 | Wyzard | and recreate it with mknod |
| 04:48.46 | Mr|Dave | a straight rm should work fine? let me try, thanks |
| 04:48.54 | Wyzard | A device file is just a file |
| 04:49.06 | Mr|Dave | sometimes i have a hard time believing a file is just a file |
| 04:49.11 | Wyzard | It's unusual to need to recreate one with different device numbers, though |
| 04:49.27 | Wyzard | That just makes it refer to a different device |
| 04:49.33 | wols_ | DawnLight: grep <stuff> /boot/config... |
| 04:49.39 | Mr|Dave | i screwed up a raid, tried to mdadm and recreate which turned my raid partition into a raid array |
| 04:49.51 | Mr|Dave | so my /dev/sda1 points to 9,127, when it should be 8,1... i think? |
| 04:50.08 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:50.12 | DawnLight | wols_: ah thanks. sounds betters |
| 04:50.13 | Wyzard | yes, sda1 is 8,1 |
| 04:50.14 | niru | cmanns, which display manager |
| 04:50.32 | Mr|Dave | the other drive in this raid1 is physically missing, so i only have 1 to work with and try to repair, but i was a bit too trigger happy with the whole business |
| 04:51.02 | cmanns | niru, ? |
| 04:51.09 | Mr|Dave | thank you, mdadm can see it just fine now |
| 04:52.52 | Azar | hehe press "a key" http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200711/error'd/raid.png |
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| 04:53.20 | Wyzard | Mr|Dave: Make sure you have the ownership and permissions right too, for security reasons: /dev/sda1 should be 660 and root:disk |
| 04:53.32 | Mr|Dave | hmm |
| 04:53.42 | Mr|Dave | it's root:root and not 660 |
| 04:53.54 | Mr|Dave | ok, changed, thanks |
| 04:53.56 | Wyzard | That's because you just created it with mknod |
| 04:54.00 | DawnLight | wols_: i have "# CONFIG_HID_FF is not set" in the /boot/config-*. what does that mean? is the kernel patched with the force-feedback? |
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| 04:54.25 | devicenull` | do I actually need a mail daemon? |
| 04:54.31 | wols_ | at least it has a setting for it |
| 04:54.31 | Wyzard | DawnLight: That means the option is not enabled in the kernel |
| 04:54.50 | wols_ | devicenull`: yes. it can be a very small one tho |
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| 04:54.56 | Wyzard | devicenull`: It's a good idea to have... system daemons will sometimes send mail to you to inform you of things |
| 04:54.58 | wols_ | but exim doesn't take much space if any |
| 04:55.02 | DawnLight | Wyzard: what does it take to enable it? |
| 04:55.04 | Mr|Dave | Wyzard: thank you, i imagine something would have broken later had you not let me know to change that |
| 04:55.18 | devicenull` | so I should take aptitudes advice and install xmail or something |
| 04:55.21 | wols_ | DawnLight:your action |
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| 04:55.27 | Wyzard | devicenull`: doesn't need to be capable of delivering mail over the network, but you want to at least have something that can handle mail locally on the machine itself |
| 04:55.29 | DawnLight | wols_: i am ready for action |
| 04:55.41 | Wyzard | DawnLight: enabling it in menuconfig and recompiling the kernel |
| 04:55.45 | click170 | Hey does anyone know which debian package contains the file kerberos.schema? I've been looking with apt-cache and trying to apt-get install all the packages I can find but nothing has worked so far. |
| 04:55.46 | devicenull` | yea, that seems like exactly what I need |
| 04:55.57 | wols_ | !tell click170 about search |
| 04:56.19 | wols_ | devicenull`: you don't need a full internet mailserver like this |
| 04:56.25 | wols_ | default exim4 is fine for what you asked |
| 04:57.09 | devicenull` | could I get away with something like nullmailer? |
| 04:57.22 | wols_ | yes |
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| 04:57.49 | mignish | !bot |
| 04:57.49 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 04:58.10 | mignish | !mod_lang.c |
| 04:58.18 | mignish | !dpkg help |
| 04:58.21 | wols_ | !tell mignish about msg the bot |
| 04:58.33 | mignish | I already did... no reply. |
| 04:58.44 | mignish | There we go. |
| 04:58.44 | wols_ | then you are not identified to services |
| 04:58.50 | wols_ | als there is #debian-bot |
| 04:58.56 | mignish | thanks |
| 04:59.03 | wols_ | and last but not least: use packages.debian.org |
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| 05:00.15 | mignish | Already did, thanks though. |
| 05:00.47 | plm156 | i have installed from latest bussinescard iso for amd64 , this claims to install lenny, /etc/debian_version says "lenny/sid", do i have to dist-upgrade to use sid amd64 packages ? |
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| 05:01.21 | wols_ | plm156: yes |
| 05:02.06 | plm156 | ok |
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| 05:03.04 | mignish | Does anyone know if there is a way to fix the "mod_lang.c problem" for proftpd? |
| 05:03.14 | plm156 | and the awnser to "are there going to be stability problems" is "who knows" ? |
| 05:03.49 | mignish | It's in testing... so you can count usually count on it. |
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| 05:04.20 | plm156 | mignish, i want to dist-upgrade to sid from testing amd64 |
| 05:04.21 | mignish | It's probably more stable then any Windows release the first year. |
| 05:04.52 | heatman | does anyone know where i could find the debian.noip2.sh script so that noip starts upon boot? |
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| 05:05.17 | wols_ | !tell heatman about search |
| 05:05.20 | mignish | go for it, plm156 |
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| 05:05.42 | wols_ | !tell mignish about errors |
| 05:06.32 | mignish | Starting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: LoadModule: error loading module 'mod_lang.c': Permission denied on line 38 of '/etc/proftpd/modules.conf' |
| 05:06.32 | mignish | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.03 | mignish | This happens when I install it with apt-get or when I reload or restart it. |
| 05:07.13 | wols_ | it clearly gives you a place where it errors. have you maybe decided to look yet? |
| 05:07.22 | mignish | Yes |
| 05:07.28 | wols_ | and what does it say? |
| 05:07.56 | mignish | On line 38 it just loads the module. |
| 05:08.00 | mignish | "mod_lang.c |
| 05:08.01 | mignish | " |
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| 05:08.50 | mignish | I'm running it as root though. |
| 05:09.00 | cmanns | Hey guys, I got a drive that used to have windows in my debian server, how'd I mount the drive? |
| 05:09.08 | smax | hi |
| 05:09.11 | cmanns | It's ntfs btw |
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| 05:09.23 | wols_ | cmanns: man mount |
| 05:09.25 | smax | what would be a situation where one would rather install debian rather than kubuntu ? |
| 05:09.32 | cmanns | wols_, kay |
| 05:09.35 | mignish | Do fdisk -l and then mount the NTFS drive |
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| 05:10.04 | wols_ | smax: all of them? |
| 05:10.09 | richardus | should mtr give any percentage of packet loss? |
| 05:10.17 | richardus | or what is a good percent if it should |
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| 05:10.38 | smax | well since debian is older than dirt, why debian? |
| 05:11.00 | Azar | smax: de gustibus |
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| 05:11.15 | wols_ | !why debian |
| 05:11.16 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 05:11.26 | Deceptigoon | theres soem characters that my debian etch sshd sends that cuases putty to BEEP really loud... the offending characters are ".]0;decepticon@decepticon: ~decepticon@decepticon:~$" |
| 05:11.33 | smax | Azar: this is America please speak American |
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| 05:11.36 | wols_ | smax: unlike current ubuntu, etch has the advantage of working properly |
| 05:11.38 | Deceptigoon | how do i stop the server from sending that |
| 05:11.50 | wols_ | smax: this sure as hell is NOT america |
| 05:11.51 | smax | thanx wols_ |
| 05:12.04 | Azar | smax: freedom of speech, exactly |
| 05:12.37 | fignew | wols_: Ubuntu and Debian both work (go figure) |
| 05:12.43 | smax | is Debian better than gentoo ? |
| 05:12.56 | wols_ | !tell smax about polls |
| 05:13.07 | Azar | smax: try it and form your own opinion |
| 05:13.40 | wols_ | debian is better than even peanut butter and jelly |
| 05:13.40 | wols_ | smax: have you more silly questions? |
| 05:13.40 | Deceptigoon | peanut butter jelly time |
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| 05:13.44 | smax | http://acad.kutztown.edu/~jgrau434/73.jpg |
| 05:13.46 | twiggz | gentoo = ricer linux |
| 05:14.20 | wols_ | smax: please stay on topic, don't post pictures of yourself |
| 05:14.36 | Azar | is he naked? doing nasty stuff? |
| 05:14.42 | twiggz | gentoo reminds me of the fast and the furious trend.....by a 10 thousand dollar rollerskate car and spend another 15 grand on it like its worth it and call it a race car... |
| 05:14.57 | wols_ | twiggz: if you want to talk about gentoo, there is #gentoo |
| 05:15.00 | Azar | twiggz: stop it, everyone uses what he/she likes |
| 05:15.14 | bucky | ~fishslap twiggz |
| 05:15.14 | apt | ACTION slaps twiggz up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 05:15.20 | twiggz | well, they asked for opinions on debian vs gentoo |
| 05:15.22 | twiggz | i gave mine. |
| 05:15.29 | twiggz | tyvm |
| 05:15.33 | twiggz | slap youselves. |
| 05:15.48 | Azar | twiggz: you don't need to, he is not a teacher and you are not on the 3rd grade |
| 05:15.52 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 05:16.03 | richardus | is it normal if i see any lost packets in mtr? |
| 05:16.07 | smax | im in 3rd grade |
| 05:16.11 | twiggz | [23:12:42] wols_ | debian is better than even peanut butter and jelly |
| 05:16.14 | twiggz | you gave yours. |
| 05:16.16 | twiggz | you had to. |
| 05:16.21 | twiggz | dont contradict yourself. |
| 05:16.22 | wols_ | richardus: no |
| 05:16.24 | twiggz | :) |
| 05:16.26 | Azar | smax: I could notice that, you don't know yet what a "de gustibus" is |
| 05:17.13 | twiggz | anyway, this is dumb conversation, with no point. i give an opinion and i get flamed by a bunch of wave the flag richard stallman wannabe hippies. |
| 05:17.15 | twiggz | afk |
| 05:17.19 | bucky | !badger twiggz |
| 05:17.19 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 05:17.38 | Azar | wow that burned |
| 05:17.51 | th0rv4ld | Hey, does it matter where the # goes if I'm commenting my sources.list file? |
| 05:17.51 | oshiii-_^ | indeed |
| 05:17.54 | richardus | wols_: i guess my campus connects through level3 b/c thats the name i'm seeing for these intermediate hops. is there anything i can do about it? |
| 05:17.57 | dondelelcaro | th0rv4ld: nope |
| 05:18.10 | wols_ | richardus: yes. change colleges |
| 05:18.35 | th0rv4ld | dondelelcaro: So, if I put the hash mark at the end of the line, it's still commented? Just want to be clear. |
| 05:18.48 | dondelelcaro | th0rv4ld: the end of the line is commented. man 5 sources.list; for details. |
| 05:18.50 | Azar | cheapy third hand connection |
| 05:18.56 | Wyzard | richardus: A bad Ethernet cable can cause lost packets |
| 05:19.47 | twiggz | oh yeah, while im thinking about it... |
| 05:19.51 | twiggz | !fuck bucky |
| 05:19.55 | bucky | i find it interesting that drobbins left gentoo after founding it because of having to deal with some people... i guess the same could be said of ian murdock |
| 05:19.57 | th0rv4ld | dondelelcaro: Thanks, man. I get how commenting works, I just wasn't sure if this was different. Basically, deb-src blah blah blah #here, here is commented, right? |
| 05:20.04 | th0rv4ld | !badger twiggz |
| 05:20.05 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 05:20.07 | twiggz | jerkoff, you can speak yourself...wow a bot. |
| 05:20.08 | Azar | twiggz: I guess you are off topic |
| 05:20.08 | dondelelcaro | th0rv4ld: right |
| 05:20.10 | twiggz | fucking fag. |
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| 05:20.37 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@c-67-166-67-100.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:20.40 | Azar | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 05:20.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:20.59 | th0rv4ld | Hey... Don't try to ban me. lol |
| 05:21.06 | Noboru | hi Azar there ? |
| 05:21.15 | Azar | sure mister Noboru |
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| 05:21.41 | th0rv4ld | I just did a random badger. >< |
| 05:21.45 | Noboru | Azar, hi, would you tell me what is the first number stand for when do netstat -ntu | awk '{print $5}' | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -n ? |
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| 05:21.56 | richardus | Wyzard: i just checked with another machine here on a diff. connection and the same intermediate level3 routers are dropping packets |
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| 05:22.03 | Noboru | i got a list of IPs with different numbers in the beginning |
| 05:22.13 | richardus | diff connection is still on campus though |
| 05:22.29 | wols_ | Noboru: how many connections |
| 05:22.33 | bucky | so who's on comcast in utah? |
| 05:22.43 | th0rv4ld | bucky: Me. |
| 05:22.50 | wols_ | bucky: don't do polls |
| 05:22.54 | th0rv4ld | unfortunately. |
| 05:22.57 | Azar | Noboru: honestly you know more than me, but make check if it is outbound or inbound, also you can verify the IP numbers (some applications connect outside somewhere) |
| 05:22.58 | Noboru | wols_, I see, one is 84 ,is this normal ? |
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| 05:23.08 | bucky | i'm by moab where are you? |
| 05:23.14 | Noboru | 80 connectings from that ip ?geez |
| 05:23.22 | th0rv4ld | bucky: Riverton/Herriman. |
| 05:23.34 | bucky | ic |
| 05:23.39 | th0rv4ld | bucky: It's west of Draper, southwest of SLC, etc. |
| 05:23.45 | bucky | i know |
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| 05:24.26 | Telstar | So I just finished installing Etch but it won't boot- Select Proper Boot Device |
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| 05:24.49 | Telstar | except that grub is set to 0,0 and thats where the vmlinuz is! |
| 05:24.51 | Wyzard | Noboru: looks like that number represents how many connections you have open to that IP |
| 05:25.03 | Telstar | TMI |
| 05:25.27 | wols_ | Telstar: do you get a grub boot menu? |
| 05:25.29 | Noboru | Wyzard, i see, so this is not normal |
| 05:25.46 | Telstar | no |
| 05:25.51 | Azar | http://www.all-nettools.com/toolbox < check the IP see if might be related to some application |
| 05:25.57 | Telstar | It just goes to "Boot Failure" |
| 05:26.02 | Wyzard | Noboru: Not normal to have 84 connections open to the same IP? |
| 05:26.02 | chronographer | Hello. I use cron to start my bittorrent program at midnight. Recently it stopped working, i use DISPLAY:0.0 to get the prog on the desktop. I found that using xhost + fixes this, but not after a reboot, how can I set this to fix permanently? |
| 05:26.02 | wols_ | Telstar: cause it sounds like a BIOS message |
| 05:26.03 | Telstar | so not even stage one is loading |
| 05:26.12 | Wyzard | Noboru: Probalby not, but without knowing what the connections are, it's hard to tell |
| 05:26.25 | Telstar | How do I verify grub one is on hda ? |
| 05:26.42 | Noboru | Wyzard, hmm and i wanted to check what site that IP is connecting to, i went to /var/log/httpd |
| 05:26.43 | Azar | Noboru: it might be the irc, some application needing stay connected... |
| 05:26.47 | wols_ | look at the MBR with a hexeditor |
| 05:26.49 | Noboru | but the acceess_log is empty,strange |
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| 05:26.53 | Telstar | oh crap |
| 05:27.04 | Telstar | (nvr used a hexeditr) |
| 05:27.07 | Azar | Noboru: /var/log/auth.log |
| 05:27.09 | dondelelcaro | chronographer: you'll be happer to just use rtorrent instead of bittorrent |
| 05:27.12 | plm156 | when booting the businesscard iso from hd-media is there a way from grub to pass the "expert" option ? form the kernel commandline ? |
| 05:27.12 | wols_ | Telstar: but it sounds like a BIOS issue, not a debian issue |
| 05:27.13 | Wyzard | Noboru: That's your apache log |
| 05:27.16 | plm156 | from |
| 05:27.17 | Noboru | Azar, let me check |
| 05:27.24 | Telstar | ah that would be good, wols |
| 05:27.24 | th0rv4ld | Telstar: He's right. It sounds like a boot error. Is your system commercially produced? |
| 05:27.33 | Noboru | Azar, not irc, i did that on my server which is put on the data-centre |
| 05:27.34 | th0rv4ld | bios error* |
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| 05:27.40 | dondelelcaro | chronographer: and you shouldn't ever use xhost +; |
| 05:27.41 | Wyzard | Noboru: It logs hits against your webserver, not every connection ever made |
| 05:27.44 | Noboru | Azar, i do not have irc server installed. |
| 05:27.45 | Azar | ah you got a server.. well |
| 05:28.02 | chronographer | yeah i understand that. I like deluge though, don't like comand line apps. |
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| 05:28.35 | Telstar | The thing is, Wols, the 1st time this happened, the machine would not boot when I passed it to hda1 with a boot disk |
| 05:28.57 | Telstar | th0r- no, its a bit Frankenstinian |
| 05:28.58 | Wyzard | Noboru: Run "netstat -ntu" and look at the local and remote port numbers for the lines involving that IP (the numbers after the colons) |
| 05:29.16 | th0rv4ld | Telstar: It's not a Dell mobo, is it? |
| 05:29.19 | Telstar | no |
| 05:29.22 | th0rv4ld | Ok. |
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| 05:29.30 | th0rv4ld | Just wondering. I'm pretty familiar with their systems. |
| 05:29.39 | Telstar | maybe you should work for them |
| 05:29.43 | th0rv4ld | I do. |
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| 05:30.01 | chronographer | Can I add localhost permanently to xhost? |
| 05:30.01 | Telstar | lol |
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| 05:30.09 | Noboru | Wyzard, let me check |
| 05:30.12 | chronographer | lol! |
| 05:30.20 | Azar | Noboru: check the ports see which app uses which of them |
| 05:30.25 | Telstar | so if grub is on /dev/hda and the bios is set to boot from the first HD...??? |
| 05:30.38 | ae | hi all... i'm wondering why "env php" does not appear to work on this debian server i am on.... any ideas? |
| 05:30.50 | Telstar | Also the weird thing is when I boot grub from a live cd, and then tell it to get the kernel from /dev/hda1.... |
| 05:30.53 | th0rv4ld | One of these days I'm going to end up in bash.org |
| 05:30.53 | dondelelcaro | ae: it's php5 or php4 or you don't have php5-cli or php4-cli installed. |
| 05:30.59 | Telstar | that does work either! |
| 05:31.21 | Telstar | s/does/doesn't/ |
| 05:31.22 | Noboru | Azar and Wyzard ,lots of time_wait |
| 05:31.24 | ae | dondelelcaro: oh. that makes perfect sense :) thanks |
| 05:31.27 | th0rv4ld | Telstar: Have you tried /dev/sda<number> |
| 05:31.28 | th0rv4ld | ? |
| 05:31.42 | Telstar | no only hda1, not sda1 |
| 05:31.59 | th0rv4ld | It's worth a shot. |
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| 05:32.10 | Telstar | trying it now |
| 05:32.21 | chronographer | isn't it hd0,0 ?? |
| 05:32.23 | Azar | Noboru: check the ports: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 05:32.33 | Wyzard | Noboru: TIME_WAIT means the connection is no longer open, but was closed just recently |
| 05:32.37 | th0rv4ld | It would be hda0 or sda0 or hda1/sda1, etc. |
| 05:32.37 | Wyzard | Noboru: What about the port numbers? |
| 05:32.38 | Telstar | no that's stage one, chronographer |
| 05:32.42 | chronographer | ok |
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| 05:33.10 | th0rv4ld | I used to have to deal with sda(#) when I was on *buntu |
| 05:33.12 | Noboru | Wyzard, all at my server port 80 |
| 05:33.16 | ae | dondelelcaro: that did it. thanks |
| 05:33.17 | Telstar | actually i may be wrong about that chron |
| 05:33.27 | Azar | Noboru: bah , http internet |
| 05:33.28 | dondelelcaro | ae: np |
| 05:33.41 | Telstar | hda1 is def stage2, but I don't think hd0,0 holds the mbr! |
| 05:33.43 | Noboru | but one is speciy tcp 0 1538 222.214.218.80:80 121.19.0.185:50239 FIN_WAIT1 |
| 05:33.44 | chronographer | using 'grub' you need to use 0's for a and 1 for b |
| 05:33.55 | Wyzard | Noboru: OK, so the same remote IP hit your server a bunch of times |
| 05:33.55 | Noboru | 1538 ? |
| 05:33.57 | chronographer | no |
| 05:34.12 | wols_ | Telstar: what is the EXACT error message you get? |
| 05:34.19 | Noboru | Wyzard, you mean that 1538 one ? |
| 05:34.34 | Wyzard | Noboru: No, the 80 and the 50239 |
| 05:34.47 | Wyzard | Noboru: but the fact that it's to port 80 basically explains what the connections are |
| 05:35.12 | th0rv4ld | Telstar: The MBR may have been set up elsewhere on the hardware. I made that mistake on a slackware install, once. |
| 05:35.21 | th0rv4ld | harddrive* |
| 05:35.22 | Wyzard | Noboru: and you're right that they should show up in your apache logs |
| 05:35.23 | Telstar | wols- the stage 1 error message is uninteresting, it is a bios message |
| 05:35.25 | Noboru | i thought that remote 50239 port is a single port ? |
| 05:35.38 | Telstar | I am about to get the stage 2 error message , although i hope i dont of course |
| 05:35.46 | Noboru | strange,in auth_log ? |
| 05:35.50 | Wyzard | Noboru: Yes, 50239 is a single port... what do you mean? |
| 05:36.04 | wols_ | Telstar: a stage 1 error message is not a BIOS message |
| 05:36.14 | wols_ | Telstar: so make up your mind |
| 05:36.20 | Noboru | Wyzard, you said so the same remote IP hit your server a bunch of times,i dont get it |
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| 05:36.41 | th0rv4ld | Telstar: If you're getting BIOS messages, it will not be after you've already started booting. It will be during POST. |
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| 05:37.10 | bakon | hello all |
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| 05:37.23 | Wyzard | Noboru: When a TCP connection is closed, it goes through a few cleanup states, such as FIN_WAIT1, and then sits in TIME_WAIT for awhile to prevent that port number from being re-used again too soon |
| 05:37.26 | th0rv4ld | bakon: Yo. |
| 05:37.49 | Telstar | wols- debian said the install went fine, I assume the problem is elsewhere! |
| 05:37.53 | th0rv4ld | Got another question: Do I -have- to install Testing to get a bootsplash? |
| 05:38.09 | Wyzard | Noboru: If you see a bunch of connections to your webserver in TIME_WAIT state, they most likely represent HTTP clients that recently connected to the webserver, retrieved a file, and disconnected |
| 05:38.12 | Telstar | wols- I did not mean a stage one error message, sorry |
| 05:38.28 | Telstar | i meant an error message that stage one didn't load |
| 05:38.29 | Noboru | Wyzard, this is complicated, :) would you just tell me an useful command to check how many connections to my port 80 from one IP that the thread is over 5 at the same time for example ? |
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| 05:38.34 | wols_ | if you don't want to tell, suit yourself, but don't expect help then |
| 05:39.03 | wols_ | Noboru: cannot exist |
| 05:39.06 | Wyzard | Noboru: If you just want to see connections that are actually currently open, look at just the ones that say ESTABLISHED in the State column |
| 05:39.08 | Telstar | in any case stage 2 is firing off |
| 05:39.16 | wols_ | netstat only gives current connections, no time is shown |
| 05:39.57 | bakon | question about FSTAb and Mounting a second drive, after I edit Fstab i type "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb /name but how do i get it to automatically load at bootup just edit the fstab and put it auto for the 4th column? anything else? |
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| 05:40.15 | wols_ | bakon: no |
| 05:40.17 | mikefoo | If i was to forward localhost:3306 to a remote-server:3306, would there be any problems with that? both web/db servers |
| 05:40.18 | Wyzard | wols_: well, if you consider TIME_WAIT to represent a "current" connection, even though the connection is actually closed |
| 05:40.21 | dbe | Why does privoxy says "Fatal error: can't bind to 127.0.0.1:8118: There may be another Privoxy or some other proxy running on port 8118" when I'm trying to start it with privoxy start /etc/privoxy/config. I have not changed anything in the config file and "netstat -an | grep 8118" says "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8118 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" |
| 05:40.40 | trebor1989 | Ugh, I seem to be having a problem with my amarok... For some reason I'll try and listen to a playlist on it and it'll only play the first song then give me an error saying "Audio output unavailable; the device is busy. xine parameters:". Anyone have any idea what I can do to fix this? |
| 05:40.48 | bakon | wols_: Thanks I thought I had it but I am new to linux and like to make sure I am doing something right before I do it |
| 05:40.56 | th0rv4ld | dbe: You're trying to get privoxy to bind to the loopback interface. |
| 05:41.01 | wols_ | dbe: that a prixoxy is already running |
| 05:41.05 | Wyzard | dbe: it means that there's already a process listening on port 8118 |
| 05:41.09 | Wyzard | dbe: probably another instance of privoxy |
| 05:41.10 | wols_ | dbe: stop the old one first |
| 05:41.19 | Telstar | what is the kernel doing right after it says hda cache flushes supported ?? |
| 05:41.31 | dbe | privoxy stop && privoxy start gives me the same shit. |
| 05:41.37 | Telstar | "the kernel is break dancing"" |
| 05:41.42 | wols_ | plm156: /etc/init.d/privoxy restart |
| 05:41.44 | th0rv4ld | ...Privoxy shouldn't be bound to 127.0.0.1, should it? |
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| 05:41.58 | chronographer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.59 | dbe | th0rv4ld: I have never used it before. |
| 05:42.04 | wols_ | th0rv4ld: it should. unless you want a public proxy |
| 05:42.27 | dbe | wols_: hmm, what am I doing? |
| 05:42.29 | th0rv4ld | wols_: Ah... Never thought of that. I always use a public proxy. |
| 05:42.29 | Wyzard | chronographer: You don't need xhost anything to use DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 05:42.52 | wols_ | chronographer: dondelelcaro already told you not to do it. and you need to do it on the server where youc an already access X |
| 05:42.58 | chronographer | i get an error, saying connection to 0.0 refused by server |
| 05:42.59 | Telstar | wols- i appreciate yr advice, dunno where grub is hiding but passing the kernel location at least boots the machine |
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| 05:43.08 | dbe | Have anyone experience with Privoxy? |
| 05:43.16 | Wyzard | chronographer: xauth perhaps |
| 05:43.26 | DawnLight | how can i manually switch meta modes in nvidia? |
| 05:43.29 | wols_ | Telstar: then grub is fine and your menu.lst broken |
| 05:43.33 | chronographer | ok looking at man now |
| 05:43.40 | Telstar | thats easy enough to edit |
| 05:43.50 | dbe | wols_: Have you used privoxy? |
| 05:43.55 | th0rv4ld | dbe: What are you trying to use privoxy for? Just surfing? |
| 05:44.00 | Wyzard | chronographer: Take a look at the sux package |
| 05:44.01 | wols_ | dbe: yes. /etc/init.d/privoxy restart |
| 05:44.06 | Telstar | the thing is, it seems to be hung at the point where its scanning hda |
| 05:44.07 | chronographer | ? |
| 05:44.19 | Telstar | I don't know what it's doing... |
| 05:44.20 | dbe | th0rv4ld: With tor. |
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| 05:44.35 | Telstar | ...but it sure is taking a long time. |
| 05:44.36 | Wyzard | chronographer: Actually, what are you trying to *do*, anyway? |
| 05:44.51 | chronographer | use cron to start a prog at midnight |
| 05:44.55 | wols_ | Telstar: try to boot with noapic and acpi=off perhaps? |
| 05:45.05 | th0rv4ld | dbe: is it just for your browser, or are you trying to make your system a proxy server? |
| 05:45.06 | dbe | th0rv4ld: Thanks good. |
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| 05:45.16 | Azar | Wyzard: port 50239 is used by a daemon ssh2 |
| 05:45.18 | Wyzard | chronographer: Using the same user account that already has an X session running on display :0? |
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| 05:45.27 | Telstar | wols- actually i was wondering if the HD might be too big for the bios? |
| 05:45.32 | chronographer | it used to work, then i changed something, setting up a ftp server and it DISPLAY command doesn't work now unless i use xhost + |
| 05:45.36 | chronographer | yes |
| 05:45.37 | dbe | wols_: Thanks. |
| 05:45.40 | wols_ | Telstar: when the kernel loads there is no bios anymore |
| 05:45.48 | Wyzard | Azar: Port 22 is the SSH port |
| 05:45.52 | Telstar | bc it didnt find grub and now is hung when it gets to mounting ? |
| 05:45.54 | chronographer | in a virtual terminal i replicate the prob, get error message above |
| 05:45.59 | dbe | th0rv4ld: Browser. |
| 05:45.59 | Wyzard | Azar: 50239 is just some arbitrary port number chosen by the client |
| 05:46.07 | Telstar | I don't know that it is trying to mount, perhaps it is still detecting |
| 05:46.12 | wols_ | Telstar: no. when the kernel is laoded neither bios nor grub is relevant anymore |
| 05:46.12 | DawnLight | chronographer: x clients try to connect to sessions that belong to their owner. so starting an x client by root isn't going to connect to the user's current session |
| 05:46.13 | th0rv4ld | dbe: http://foxyproxy.mozdev.org |
| 05:46.18 | bakon | Do I need to have a directory alreayd made when I make a Mount Point? |
| 05:46.31 | chronographer | i don't start one with root |
| 05:46.36 | wols_ | bakon: your mountpoint directory needs to exist yes |
| 05:46.40 | Telstar | oh ok, so what would cause it to hang right after it loads all the IDE? |
| 05:46.43 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Install foxyproxy on Iceweasel. It automatically configures with Tor, and you don't need Privoxy. |
| 05:46.45 | Azar | Wyzard: I just checked I didnt mean ssh but rather a linux daemon using that port... possibly some daemon trying its stuff |
| 05:46.53 | wols_ | Telstar: I told you what to do |
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| 05:47.04 | DawnLight | chronographer: so the user doesn't have an x session running |
| 05:47.06 | bakon | and if i typed the mount command without doing that and then made the directory that wont work? I am getting an error saying the dir is busy |
| 05:47.13 | chronographer | yes i do |
| 05:47.16 | wols_ | Azar: 50xxx is the CLIENT port of the connection |
| 05:47.20 | chronographer | 'it' does |
| 05:47.21 | Telstar | oh sure i try that wols, it has been known to work a lot, IMHE |
| 05:47.31 | wols_ | !tell bakon about errors |
| 05:47.56 | dbe | th0rv4ld: I'm using BurningDog. |
| 05:48.04 | DawnLight | chronographer: ahm... you said you are using cron, right? are you using cron to start this program? |
| 05:48.09 | chronographer | i get an error Xlib: conection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 05:48.16 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Is BurningDog compatible with Firefox? |
| 05:48.18 | Wyzard | Azar: You're not making much sense... are you talking about some script-kiddie attack program that's known to use a source port number of 50239? |
| 05:48.20 | chronographer | yeah cron with DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/deluge |
| 05:48.28 | bakon | Error: mount: /dev/sdb already mounted or /siteb busy |
| 05:48.35 | dbe | th0rv4ld: It is a mod of FF. |
| 05:48.43 | th0rv4ld | dbe: FoxyProxy will work. |
| 05:48.46 | Wyzard | Azar: That'd be rather unusual; network clients generally don't specify a source port number' |
| 05:48.47 | wols_ | bakon: you don#t mount sdb, that's a DISK |
| 05:48.52 | wols_ | you want to mount a partition |
| 05:48.54 | DawnLight | chronographer: well cron is not run by your user. it is run by root or cron or whatever |
| 05:48.55 | enouf | hi folks; can anyone suggest why i might have 2 of these at any given time? root 3615 0.0 0.1 2672 612 ? Ss Nov13 0:00 /sbin/syslogd (is 1) and root 5330 0.0 0.2 2672 816 ? Ss Nov14 0:00 /sbin/syslogd (is the 2nd) Could this be due to various FSs mounted on separate HDDs ? |
| 05:48.56 | chronographer | the error i get i found, by issuing the above command in a virtual terminal (ctrl alt F1) logged in as me |
| 05:49.03 | chronographer | crontab -e |
| 05:49.03 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Technically, FoxyProxy is made for firefox. I'm using it on iceweasel, and it works, fine. |
| 05:49.04 | bakon | sdb1 would be the partition? |
| 05:49.14 | bakon | wols_: sdb1 would be the partition? |
| 05:49.19 | dbe | th0rv4ld: foxyproxy is not avalible in gNewSense. |
| 05:49.19 | Wyzard | chronographer: and when you're doing this, you have an X session running as the same user? |
| 05:49.22 | wols_ | bakon: yes |
| 05:49.24 | chronographer | yeah |
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| 05:49.28 | enouf | basically 2 /sbin/syslogd running, both branched separately off of init |
| 05:49.29 | bakon | wols_: thanks |
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| 05:49.31 | Wyzard | chronographer: and no other X sessions? |
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| 05:49.45 | dbe | th0rv4ld: apt-get cache search foxyproxy # zer0 hits. |
| 05:49.47 | chronographer | not usually, mauybe my kids, but that is iunconsequencial |
| 05:49.49 | wols_ | enouf: fscked up rc files? |
| 05:49.58 | Telstar | wols_ so what is this connection between apci & HD detection ??! |
| 05:50.01 | Wyzard | chronographer: Open a terminal in the X session and run "whoami" and "echo $DISPLAY" to make sure |
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| 05:50.08 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Open BurningDog. http://foxyproxy.mozdev.org |
| 05:50.17 | bakon | Wols_: I amg etting the same exact error |
| 05:50.20 | Azar | Wyzard: I got an article here but I can't use pdf so you might want to take a look: that port is listed among others |
| 05:50.21 | Telstar | and btw thanks |
| 05:50.24 | enouf | wols_: hrm .. perhaps, i know sysv-rc-conf hasn't been playing nice .. thanks, i'll check |
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| 05:50.33 | chronographer | whoami gives me |
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| 05:50.38 | Azar | http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:kIObymlPTN8J:www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~tapted/files/demon-handout.pdf+port+50239&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us |
| 05:50.39 | Wyzard | chronographer: It's consequental becuase :0.0 refers to the first running instance of X, whatever that may be |
| 05:50.45 | Telstar | whoareyou |
| 05:50.47 | chronographer | echo display in this display gives :0.0 |
| 05:50.48 | wols_ | Telstar: nothing cause ther is no apci. also apic and acpi don't have ahnything to do with it either. what makes you think your harddisk detection is to blame? |
| 05:50.50 | Wyzard | chronographer: If that's some other user's session, of course your program won't be able to connect to it |
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| 05:50.58 | enouf | wols_: might be a while, but i will report back once i find something |
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| 05:51.16 | dbe | th0rv4ld: I dont want to be dependent of source installations. |
| 05:51.19 | chronographer | echo display gives nothing in a virtual terminal |
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| 05:51.22 | Telstar | i mean that it was hanging at hda detection; turning acpi off causes it to not hang there |
| 05:51.28 | wols_ | bakon: pastebin your fstab |
| 05:51.35 | chronographer | which is true? Oh I always log in as me first, user switch to my kid |
| 05:51.52 | Telstar | wow that portmap demon is slow |
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| 05:51.59 | th0rv4ld | dbe: You don't need to compile it. |
| 05:52.39 | Wyzard | Azar: All that listing says is that once upon a time someone connected to someone's SSH server from a randomly-chosen source port that happened to be 50239 |
| 05:52.39 | Telstar | I had Sarge on the machine until yesterday |
| 05:52.42 | chronographer | sorry, i understand it is consequensial. my mistake |
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| 05:52.51 | dbe | th0rv4ld: I wonder why it isnt in apt sources in gNewSense. Is foxyproxy new? |
| 05:52.57 | bakon | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d6e375d6f |
| 05:53.05 | chronographer | but i leave the machine running with my session running, with deluge in cron to start at midnight |
| 05:53.20 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Let me get you a different URL. |
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| 05:54.02 | th0rv4ld | dbe: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/policy/0/2464/14508 |
| 05:54.18 | th0rv4ld | Accept the GPL, the file installs automatically. |
| 05:54.24 | wols_ | bakon: output of "mount" and ls -ld /site2 |
| 05:54.55 | nepbabu | what does this mean? *** stack smashing detected ***: ./function terminated |
| 05:54.58 | nepbabu | :( |
| 05:55.06 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: If something is requiring you to accept the GPL prior to installation, it shouldn't be doing that |
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| 05:55.19 | bakon | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d7a9393e9 |
| 05:55.26 | XoX | question how come nfs4 is in etch if it's still considered experimental |
| 05:55.29 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: The GPL only covers redistribution, not use... you can use the program even if you don't accept the GPL |
| 05:55.39 | dalias | btw |
| 05:55.43 | wols_ | bakon: I asked for the output of the command "mount" |
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| 05:55.47 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: It's a formality. It uses the GPL as the EULA. |
| 05:55.50 | Wyzard | nepbabu: Possibly a bug, or possibly an attempted buffer-overflow attack |
| 05:55.51 | bakon | wols_: sorry |
| 05:55.57 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: right, but the GPL is not a EULA |
| 05:56.00 | dalias | some installers make you click an "i agree" to install GPL software |
| 05:56.10 | Wyzard | and they shouldn't |
| 05:56.12 | nepbabu | Wyzard, so what can i do? |
| 05:56.12 | dalias | this is copyright infringement |
| 05:56.15 | bakon | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d53fb8101 |
| 05:56.19 | dbe | dalias: Yep and that is ugly. |
| 05:56.20 | dalias | the GPL does not allow additional restrictions |
| 05:56.22 | Nyle | k |
| 05:56.24 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: You can just pretend to accept while you click the button. Just like I do when I pretend to accept Microsoft's license agreement. |
| 05:56.30 | dalias | of which, forcing someone to agree to the GPL is an additional restriction |
| 05:56.53 | dbe | dalias: GPL is not a "click-wrap license". |
| 05:57.00 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Contact the author and tell them that they're infringing the GPL by imposing the additional restriction of making others accept the GPL as a condition of use :-) |
| 05:57.09 | wols_ | bakon: strange. "fdisk -l" |
| 05:57.11 | dalias | and using it as one is violating the terms of the GPL |
| 05:57.20 | dbe | Wyzard: OpenOffice do this too. |
| 05:57.20 | dalias | wyzard, :) |
| 05:57.22 | Noboru | Wyzard, is this correct for only displaying tcp connections and being established at local port 80 netstat -an -t tcp | grep ":80" | grep ESTABLISHED | awk '{printf "%s %s\n",$5,$6}' | sort |
| 05:57.26 | chronographer | can i reconfigure xauth ? |
| 05:57.29 | dalias | openoffice is gpl? |
| 05:57.35 | dalias | i thought it was some dumb sun license |
| 05:57.36 | dbe | dalias: LGPL |
| 05:57.39 | dalias | ah |
| 05:57.44 | bakon | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d2ebdc1d6 |
| 05:57.45 | dalias | really? |
| 05:57.57 | Nyle | whats the diff between lgpl and gpl |
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| 05:58.18 | dbe | Nyle: LGPL is weak copylefted while GPL is strong copylefted. |
| 05:58.44 | Azar | Noboru: I don't know about apache or servers but you ever checked your /var/log/auth.log ? there are lots of bots trying to crack username/password |
| 05:58.46 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: If the GPL didn't have to be accepted as a license before accessing the software, then Cedega couldn't force you to accept the GPL on the GPL-ed components before installing the whole package. |
| 05:58.51 | dbe | Nyle: You can include non-free software in a LGPLed source distribution. |
| 05:58.59 | tuvwx | i don't get it. if java was resource hungry for a torrent client, why would python be any better? (deluge-torrent?) |
| 05:59.00 | bakon | wols_: I am somewhat geussing that sdb is my 2nd disk i typed a command(one i do not remember) that listed everything in /dev and saw sdb and then i typed parted /dev/sdb print and it told me sdb was 250gig(the size of my 2nd drive) |
| 05:59.14 | th0rv4ld | The GPL is simply that: a license. |
| 05:59.23 | chronographer | python doesn't use a virtual machine does it? |
| 05:59.24 | bakon | wols_: so i am assuming sdb is the correct drive since sda is being used |
| 05:59.31 | th0rv4ld | This is why I hate debian-legal. |
| 05:59.31 | tuvwx | java is usually faster than python |
| 05:59.44 | Noboru | Azar, yes,mine too,including sakura company haha |
| 05:59.56 | wols_ | bakon: fdisk -l |
| 05:59.56 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: If Cedega forces you to accept the GPL prior to installation, they're doing the wrong thing too |
| 05:59.57 | Azar | Noboru: this can be fixed easily |
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| 06:00.11 | dbe | th0rv4ld: The connection has timed out; https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/policy/0/2464/14508 |
| 06:00.12 | Noboru | Azar, yes ? |
| 06:00.19 | bakon | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d2ebdc1d6 |
| 06:00.19 | wols_ | bakon: oops. yes sdb1 is the right one |
| 06:00.26 | wols_ | but I dunno why it would not work |
| 06:00.26 | tuvwx | chronographer, python is an interpreted language. it's worse than a virtual machine than runs binary code |
| 06:00.29 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: The GPL is a license that (conditionally) gives you permission to distribute the software, which would otherwise be forbidden by copyright law |
| 06:00.34 | Nyle | man all this license stuff is making my head hurt |
| 06:00.39 | bakon | wols_: could it be because my dir was not made when I first did it? |
| 06:00.45 | chronographer | oh i see |
| 06:00.48 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: *Running* a program is not forbidden by copyright law, so you don't need permission from the copyright holder to do it |
| 06:01.02 | Azar | Noboru: http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| 06:01.09 | wols_ | Wyzard: you make a copy to run it |
| 06:01.12 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: hence you don't need to accept any license |
| 06:01.19 | th0rv4ld | dbe: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2464 Try that. The install button is toward the bottom of the page, which will lead you to another install button. |
| 06:01.24 | Noboru | Azar, checking.thanks |
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| 06:01.58 | wols_ | Wyzard: also if what you say is true I can run any windows I like without paying billg his cut |
| 06:02.16 | dbe | th0rv4ld: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/policy/0/2464/14508 is back |
| 06:02.19 | Wyzard | wols_: I can't speak for other countries, but US copyright law has an exemption that says that if you have a computer program, you're allowed to make whatever copies are necessary for normal usage of the program |
| 06:02.26 | Wyzard | wols_: That covers both installing to HD and loading into RAM |
| 06:02.33 | Noboru | Azar, by the way,is there a way to check which site on my server connecting to a remote iP ? |
| 06:02.49 | dalias | yeah and that's obvious fair use too |
| 06:03.06 | Azar | Noboru: Wyzard might better know, I never had a server |
| 06:03.09 | dalias | just like reading a book using glasses... |
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| 06:03.18 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: By your definition, piracy doesn't exist. "Stealing money is illegal. Spending stolen money isn't." It doesn't work that way. If I buy a computer with Windows XP on it, and it turns out to be pirated, that doesn't mean it's OK to use it. |
| 06:03.25 | Wyzard | wols_: nope, because to get the Windows install CD you'd have to either commit theft (stealing a CD) or copyright infringement (to duplicate one) |
| 06:03.25 | dalias | yes the lens might allow you to see '2 copies' of the book at once... but... |
| 06:03.26 | Noboru | Azar, i mean,for example,i found they are connecting from my server to a remote server with lots of connections at the same tme,how do i dig out which sites are doing it ? |
| 06:03.28 | wols_ | "your honor this windows CD-R came to me by mail. I didn't make a copy, I just ran it". wonder how that defence is gonna work... |
| 06:03.29 | Wyzard | oops |
| 06:03.37 | dbe | th0rv4ld: Thanks for the URL. I hope it works. |
| 06:03.39 | Noboru | ok |
| 06:03.44 | wols_ | "and since I don#t make a copy I want to use it from now on" |
| 06:03.56 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Uninstall privoxy first, just in case. |
| 06:04.17 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: The laws are probably different for installations that were obtained from theft or copyright infringement |
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| 06:04.36 | dalias | how can one know if something came from infringement? |
| 06:04.39 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Theft is theft. Accepting stolen goods is still illegal, after the fact. |
| 06:04.54 | Nyle | dalias: how can one know anything? |
| 06:04.54 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: but if you have, say, a legitimate purchased Windows install CD, the law does not require you to get any additional permission or agree to any additional terms in order to install and use it |
| 06:05.06 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: If I sell you a stolen TV, and you find out it's stolen afterward, by law, you have to turn it in to the authorities, or you are an accessory. |
| 06:05.06 | dalias | for instance, suppose someone gives me a copy of a movie with the copyright information missing or replaced by a notice that it's public domain or licensed under a free license |
| 06:05.25 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Microsoft wants to impose additional restrictions above and beyond the scope of the law, so they make you agree to them prior to installation with a "EULA" |
| 06:05.27 | th0rv4ld | Accessory after the fact* |
| 06:05.37 | wols_ | Wyzard: indirectly it does. you need the activation and you can't bypass that activation |
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| 06:05.41 | Telstar | or suppose someone changed the gnu license on a wifi driver to bsd and.... oh nvrmnd |
| 06:05.42 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: If you violate the EULA, they can prosecute you. |
| 06:05.51 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: The GPL doesn't impose any restrictions above and beyond the law, and that's why there's no need that you agree to it prior to installation |
| 06:06.00 | dondelelcaro | the precise nature of EULAs and their legality is not entirely clear, but thankfully is not on topic for this channel. |
| 06:06.01 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: or get an injunction to prevent you from using the software. |
| 06:06.02 | dalias | wols_, any good warez has the activation hacked out.... |
| 06:06.07 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Right, for violation of a contract that you willingly agreed to |
| 06:06.14 | Noboru | hi Wyzard ,i need your help please |
| 06:06.17 | wols_ | dalias: that's breaking the law *gasp* |
| 06:06.18 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: That's a completely separate issue from copyright |
| 06:06.20 | dalias | wols_, :) |
| 06:06.23 | Azar | th0rv4ld: GPL is really simple and in fact harmless for a simple user. But if you take a GPL code and or/modify and redistribute it you have to preserve the GPL licence which say: the distribution of the code must keep the code open for view, modification and inspection -- you can't make it your own, close it and claim is yours |
| 06:06.38 | bakon | wols_: any ideas? could the disk be corrupted? |
| 06:06.44 | bakon | wols_: thanks for the help btw |
| 06:06.49 | Nyle | !ot |
| 06:06.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 06:06.50 | wols_ | bakon: no |
| 06:06.50 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Then what is your problem with them using the GPL as an EULA, if you don't have to accept it? |
| 06:07.03 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Just becaus the download button says you accept it? |
| 06:07.21 | Noboru | Wyzard, now i do netstat -an -t tcp | grep ":80" | grep ESTABLISHED | awk '{printf "%s %s\n",$5,$6}' | sort,i get this one ::ffff:60.48.251.:10868 ESTABLISHED,the IP number is not showing completely ? |
| 06:07.22 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: The GPL doesn't allow you to impose additional restrictions on people you distribute the software to |
| 06:07.23 | Nyle | dpkg: good bot |
| 06:07.24 | dpkg | :), Nyle |
| 06:07.24 | wols_ | bakon: don't have any proces open the /site2 directory. e.g no process should have it as its currend working directory |
| 06:07.43 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Making them agree to a contract (any contract, including acceptance of the GPL) prior to using the program is an additional restriction |
| 06:07.44 | Telstar | th0r- its considered neither a tort not a contract under us law |
| 06:07.44 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: What restrictions is he imposing? |
| 06:07.46 | dbe | th0rv4ld: privoxy is uninstalled and foxyproxy is installed with all default settings. Do I need to configure Tor? I have not touched anything in Tors configure files. |
| 06:07.53 | Azar | th0rv4ld: you take it open, you distribute it open |
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| 06:08.03 | bakon | wols_: i dont think i have any process opening /site2 |
| 06:08.08 | Nyle | Azar: i like pizza |
| 06:08.15 | Azar | Nyle: you make me hungry |
| 06:08.15 | Nyle | do you like it? |
| 06:08.25 | Nyle | I like lots of cheese |
| 06:08.27 | Telstar | !order pizza |
| 06:08.34 | wols_ | bakon: have you _checked_? |
| 06:08.37 | Wyzard | Noboru: That's an IPv6-looking address |
| 06:08.58 | bakon | wols_: would i type psaux for that? I am new and do not know all the commands. I have minmal things running on this |
| 06:08.59 | wols_ | bakon: no shell that has /site2/ as its working directory? |
| 06:08.59 | Nyle | ipv6 |
| 06:09.00 | Noboru | Wyzard, that addr is from the visitors ? |
| 06:09.08 | Azar | Nyle: your g/f just got in :) |
| 06:09.17 | Nyle | Azar: dude thats not right |
| 06:09.23 | Nyle | thats not funny |
| 06:09.24 | dalias | th0rv4ld, have you actually READ the GPL ? |
| 06:09.24 | Azar | you never know |
| 06:09.25 | Telstar | wols- even with noapic, it is still hanging, any other ideas? |
| 06:09.36 | Wyzard | Noboru: Presumably, but I'm not familiar with the notation that address is written in |
| 06:09.40 | Telstar | lol Dalias |
| 06:09.42 | Noboru | Wyzard, would you help me fixing it ? |
| 06:09.48 | Nyle | Azar: you're talking about future Mrs. Nyle |
| 06:09.53 | Noboru | Wyzard, i mean, i do not think its ipv6 |
| 06:09.54 | dalias | "You are not required to accept this License, ..." |
| 06:09.54 | Azar | :) |
| 06:09.55 | th0rv4ld | dbe: No. Install foxyproxy. the steps are: "dialog: would you like to configure foxyproxy with tor? y/n; Are you using tor with privoxy or without? with/without; default port for tor (safe to leave alone); do you want DNS requests to go through tor? y/n; DONE, restart browser." |
| 06:09.58 | Nyle | show respect |
| 06:10.07 | Noboru | Wyzard, but i do netstat...that command,it always show that ::fff:: |
| 06:10.08 | Nyle | or I will tell her and then she will beat you |
| 06:10.12 | dalias | requiring someone to accept it is an additional requirement |
| 06:10.26 | Azar | Noboru: follow the site I gave you install DenyHosts |
| 06:10.28 | Noboru | Wyzard, but in my another server do the same, it only shows ip with port number,same OS etch |
| 06:10.28 | Wyzard | Noboru: It probably isn't, but if you look at the $1 field on that line, you'll see that it says "tcp6" rather than "tcp" |
| 06:10.40 | dalias | "You may not impose further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein." |
| 06:10.43 | Nyle | that happened to me |
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| 06:10.55 | Nyle | I installed tftp server on my machine and it defaulted to the ipv6 version |
| 06:11.01 | bako1 | wols_: no no shell is in /site2/ |
| 06:11.09 | Wyzard | Noboru: My netstat shows both "tcp" and "tcp6" lines |
| 06:11.10 | Nyle | whacky |
| 06:11.22 | bako1 | I got disconnected sorry |
| 06:11.25 | bako1 | this is bakon |
| 06:11.30 | Wyzard | Noboru: I don't know offhand why it shows tcp6 lines, and I'm leaving soon so I'm not going to investigate it |
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| 06:11.36 | Telstar | Nyle- it *knows* |
| 06:11.42 | Noboru | Wyzard, i mean in my another server i run the same command,i never got that tcp6 show up |
| 06:11.45 | Azar | th0rv4ld: if you create software you may chose to licence under GPL if you want it open for anyone or chose a proprietary licence which keeps the code closed as you like |
| 06:11.51 | Nyle | Telstar: but I didn't want ipv6 |
| 06:11.53 | Noboru | Wyzard, okay. |
| 06:11.57 | Wyzard | Noboru: Maybe that server doesn't have IPv6 enabled |
| 06:12.10 | Noboru | I see. |
| 06:12.12 | Nyle | Telstar: so if you have ipv6 you don't need routers any more? |
| 06:12.17 | Nyle | you don't need NAT? |
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| 06:12.36 | Nyle | th0rv4ld: amen brother |
| 06:12.45 | dalias | someone should start sending GPL-compliance complaints to windows idiots putting GPL in a made-for-eula-crap "you must accept" box in the installer |
| 06:12.54 | dbe | th0rv4ld: This is good software for people (especially beginners) to browse the web anonymosly. |
| 06:13.00 | Telstar | th0r- and they will. |
| 06:13.04 | Wyzard | Nyle: Of course you need routers |
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| 06:13.13 | dbe | th0rv4ld: Thanks a lot for the recommendation. |
| 06:13.16 | Nyle | i mean routers in homes |
| 06:13.25 | Nyle | nat routers like for small home networks |
| 06:13.31 | Nyle | i suppose cuz we'll have enough ips |
| 06:13.31 | th0rv4ld | Everyone else flaming: Dudes, why the hell do you care if it says accept? If your forward button says zuruch, are you going to cry about it? |
| 06:13.32 | Wyzard | Nyle: Router, yes; NAT router, no |
| 06:13.40 | Nyle | Wyzard: which was m y next line |
| 06:13.41 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:13.54 | th0rv4ld | dbe: No problem. I learned how to use it to get around the proxy server at work. |
| 06:13.58 | Wyzard | Nyle: Assuming ISPs give customers /48 prefixes as they're supposed to, rather than single addresses (which would be brain-dead) |
| 06:14.08 | th0rv4ld | dbe: make sure you take gmail off of the whitelist. |
| 06:14.14 | th0rv4ld | dbe: otherwise you can't access it. |
| 06:14.15 | Nyle | Wyzard: hmm what is a /48 |
| 06:14.16 | dbe | th0rv4ld: How CPU expensive is Tor? And how strong anonymity does it provide? |
| 06:14.20 | nepbabu | Wyzard, how to get core dump from user-space? |
| 06:14.24 | Nyle | Wyzard: like a subnet mask? |
| 06:14.27 | Telstar | Wyz- that's quite the assumption |
| 06:14.34 | Azar | like the Xming developer tried to fool people using GPL on his licence but in fact he closed the code and put conditions.. |
| 06:14.53 | dalias | lol |
| 06:15.04 | th0rv4ld | dbe: enough anonymity that it will stop you from using gmail and downloading files from certain servers. CPU=jack sh*t |
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| 06:15.11 | Azar | yeah people really should learn waht GPL is before licencing |
| 06:15.17 | nepbabu | i don't like to take a dump atm |
| 06:15.30 | dalias | i think what we careabout, th0rv4ld, is that windows idiots are claiming to use the gpl but really have no idea what it's about, and infringing other people's gpl code that they've used in the process |
| 06:15.40 | Wyzard | nepbabu: SIGQUIT, I think, but you may need to use ulimit to enable coredumps first |
| 06:15.46 | th0rv4ld | dbe: It works fine on my grandmother's old 600 MHz CPU |
| 06:15.47 | dalias | the eula click-to-accept crap is just one of many symptoms of this |
| 06:15.52 | dbe | th0rv4ld: Where is the whitelist located? |
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| 06:15.59 | nepbabu | Wyzard, well i did. |
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| 06:16.20 | nepbabu | Wyzard, ulimit -c unlimited doesn't do shite |
| 06:16.32 | Azar | been more than 3 years I didn't need to click on any "agreement" other than the Debian installer |
| 06:16.44 | dalias | azar, :) |
| 06:16.53 | th0rv4ld | dbe: menu bar: tools>foxyproxy>options, or something like that. |
| 06:17.01 | Azar | Nyle is your fault: I am hungry now |
| 06:17.06 | th0rv4ld | I don't know. I'm still downloading source code for wine. My comp is overheating. >< |
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| 06:17.20 | Nyle | Azar: go to papajohns.com and place an order for delivery |
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| 06:17.25 | dalias | btw i suspect most windows users have someone else, who's not empowered to act as their legal agent, install software for them |
| 06:17.29 | Nyle | get a 16" pie with the works |
| 06:17.50 | Azar | mannn.. dinner time, nap time.. work tomorrow, good night honorables! |
| 06:17.55 | Nyle | it closed 17 minutes ago so i can't get any pizza now |
| 06:17.56 | dalias | like a child, friend, coworker, technician, etc. |
| 06:18.05 | Nyle | but in your timezone |
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| 06:18.17 | th0rv4ld | Azar: Ever install tar? It's not free software. Do you get a license agreement? No. STFU and quit flaming. |
| 06:18.18 | dalias | which rather voids the whole claim to legitimacy of these things |
| 06:18.26 | dalias | th0rv4ld, huh? |
| 06:18.29 | Nyle | the_lalelu: hey man |
| 06:18.34 | dalias | which tar? |
| 06:18.36 | th0rv4ld | Try installing Java. |
| 06:18.45 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Do you mean GNU tar? Or some other tar implementation? |
| 06:18.46 | th0rv4ld | Sorry... not tar |
| 06:18.47 | th0rv4ld | rar |
| 06:18.49 | dalias | java is nonfree |
| 06:18.50 | Nyle | you DO get a lisence agreement |
| 06:18.50 | th0rv4ld | rar* |
| 06:18.51 | th0rv4ld | >< |
| 06:18.55 | Nyle | for java |
| 06:18.57 | dalias | and uninteresting |
| 06:18.58 | Nyle | do you accept y |
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| 06:19.18 | th0rv4ld | Java can't install without accepting Sun Microsystems' terms of use. |
| 06:19.23 | Telstar | Wyzard- would dmesg be helpful in diagnosing why my Etch boot is just hanging? |
| 06:19.25 | Nyle | and why are you guys back on this bullshit topic |
| 06:19.29 | dalias | why would i want to install java? |
| 06:19.56 | th0rv4ld | dalias: to access more content on the internet than the iPhone. |
| 06:19.57 | dbe | th0rv4ld: I dont find exactly where the whitelist is located at Tools > Foxyproxy > Options. |
| 06:20.07 | Nyle | dalias: you would install java if you needed to use java |
| 06:20.10 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: That *may* change with Java 7 |
| 06:20.12 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Let me check. |
| 06:20.20 | Nyle | dalias: that is the reason why you would install java |
| 06:20.23 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard. That'll be nice if it does. |
| 06:20.37 | Telstar | it seems to like to hang at starting portmap daemon |
| 06:20.39 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: or, if not, there'll be an all-free relative that's mostly the same code and pure GPL |
| 06:20.44 | Telstar | but not consistantly |
| 06:20.49 | Nyle | dalias: so logically, if you don't need to use java, you won't install it |
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| 06:20.56 | Nyle | that was a pretty dumb question btw |
| 06:21.05 | dbe | th0rv4ld: Oh, its the list in "Proxies" |
| 06:21.17 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard. Don't get me wrong: I'm not a proponent of license agreements. I just really don't give a shit. When you walk into a building to purchase something the intrinsic license agreement is that they reserve the right to refuse service to you, if they so desire. |
| 06:21.31 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: If the software isn't meant to be used, they wouldn't offer it. |
| 06:21.44 | th0rv4ld | dbe: Correct. |
| 06:22.08 | Telstar | (the 'instrinsic' license?) |
| 06:22.14 | nepbabu | alright all the license lawyers. :) settle down. |
| 06:22.24 | Telstar | (as if we need yet *another* license) |
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| 06:22.39 | Nyle | googlix? |
| 06:22.42 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:22.55 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Of course it's meant to be used, but EULAs usually specify certain things you're not allowed to do, or that you grant the vendor permission to do |
| 06:22.56 | nepbabu | please 'ulimit -c unlimited' doesn't lead to generation of coredumps. anyone? |
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| 06:23.22 | dbe | th0rv4ld: So "Add new Proxy", I guess. What should be under "Proxy name"? |
| 06:23.27 | dalias | th0rv4ld, that's all nice and irrelevant. |
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| 06:23.56 | Nyle | ugh |
| 06:23.58 | Nyle | tech support |
| 06:24.08 | Nyle | i guess it pays the bills but FUCK dude |
| 06:24.10 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: like the Adobe Flash license which says you're not allowed to use it to test compatibility with your own Flash implementation that you're developing |
| 06:24.11 | Nyle | I would never |
| 06:24.17 | Nyle | too much pain |
| 06:24.18 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:24.21 | th0rv4ld | dalias: I'm just fed up with the whining |
| 06:24.37 | dalias | legitimate complaints about gpl infringement are not "whining" |
| 06:24.52 | Telstar | Wyzard- so are you allowed to ask someone else ?? |
| 06:24.53 | Nyle | !shh |
| 06:25.03 | Nyle | !ot |
| 06:25.03 | dpkg | ot is probably Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 06:25.07 | Nyle | !ask |
| 06:25.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:25.11 | Telstar | "psst, does my flash app work on your computer?" |
| 06:25.11 | Wyzard | dunno, it's been awhile since I read that license |
| 06:25.14 | Nyle | Telstar: ^^ |
| 06:25.28 | subha | hi aal |
| 06:25.30 | subha | all |
| 06:25.31 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:25.37 | DawnLight | i love calling those tech support dude and telling them "oh, just give me the details, i'm not using windows" heh!! |
| 06:25.38 | subha | i wnat to keep log for different machines when i am installing debian from a local server .how? |
| 06:25.40 | Telstar | Nyle- I was talking about the Adobe license, heh heh |
| 06:25.59 | Telstar | but *actually* I do have a question |
| 06:26.08 | Wyzard | Telstar: The idea is to discourage people from writing competing Flash implementations (such as gnash, which is free software) by forbidding them from watching a Flash file in both implementations to make sure it looks the same |
| 06:26.14 | Telstar | why is Etch friggin hanging on boot ? |
| 06:26.24 | DawnLight | thats a good one |
| 06:26.26 | Nyle | subha: wouldn't there be an install log file in /root on each machine? |
| 06:26.32 | Telstar | specifically on the port map daemon.... but then not alwasy just there |
| 06:26.50 | Nyle | Telstar: any other os boots? |
| 06:26.55 | bako1 | Question: I asked earlier and Wols_: did his best to help me But I still ran into problems. When i goto Mount i get the error: mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /site2/site busy |
| 06:27.01 | th0rv4ld | dalias: If you look at it, a license is just that: a license to use the software, under certain conditions. Unless the GPL defies the definition of license, then I believe that's what it is, too, isn't it? Just because it doesn't specify how to use the software, and only specifies distribution, that doesn't mean that by keeping the source private, selling the software for profit, and cutting Linus Thorvalds out of the Linux Kernel, |
| 06:27.01 | th0rv4ld | buttfuckOS, that the software license can't be revoked, just because it's GPL-ed. |
| 06:27.03 | subha | Nyle:no,i want these logs in the server m/c |
| 06:27.03 | Telstar | um its just Etch installed |
| 06:27.15 | Telstar | but Sarge booted up until today no problems |
| 06:27.20 | Nyle | subha: dunno how to do that |
| 06:27.30 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: No, it is *not* a license to use the software |
| 06:27.35 | Telstar | oh and live cds boot fine |
| 06:27.40 | Telstar | the Etch install went fine |
| 06:27.43 | Nyle | Telstar: at which point does the boot fail? |
| 06:27.47 | dalias | th0rv4ld, stop bullshitting about things you don't understand |
| 06:27.52 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Distribution of software is a type of use. |
| 06:27.55 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: No license is needed to run a computer program, just like no license is needed to look out your window and see things, or to walk down the street and talk to people |
| 06:28.01 | Telstar | seesm to like to hang during "strting portmap daemon" |
| 06:28.14 | Telstar | but was also hanging during ide detection |
| 06:28.36 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Do you come from some magical fairy world where you don't need a license to drive? Can you own a car without driving it? Yes. SAME DAMN THING. |
| 06:28.36 | Telstar | acpi=off *seems* to help... but not to whhere it boots completely |
| 06:28.36 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: If you want to make the word "use" that generic, sure, talking about software here on IRC is a form of "use" |
| 06:28.39 | dalias | th0rv4ld, the definition of a license, in law, is special permission granted by the relevant authority to do something that would otherwise be prohibited by law |
| 06:28.41 | Nyle | Telstar: run hd diagnostics |
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| 06:28.55 | Telstar | oh ok Nyle, any one in particular? |
| 06:29.09 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: The point is, *distributing* software requires permission from the copyright holder, in the form of a license... *running* software does not require permission from anyone, and thus needs no license |
| 06:29.13 | Nyle | doesn't matter, just want to make sure the ide devices are not bad |
| 06:29.19 | dalias | an eula is NOT a license because it does not grant permission to do anything that would otherwise be prohibited by law |
| 06:29.32 | Telstar | no I mean from a Live cd, which tool to use? |
| 06:29.49 | wols_ | Telstar: smartctl. long test |
| 06:29.49 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Driving requires a license only because the governments of the world have passed laws requiring one... they haven't passed laws requiring you to get permission to run a program on your computer |
| 06:29.50 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Tell that to Microsoft. According to them, running any MS app or OS is illegal without accepting the license. |
| 06:29.51 | Telstar | the last time I did a bad block scan it took all day |
| 06:29.54 | dbe | th0rv4ld: Found it. |
| 06:29.55 | Nyle | smartmontools |
| 06:30.00 | Telstar | yeah thats the one all right |
| 06:30.02 | Nyle | !info smartmontools |
| 06:30.11 | dalias | it instead asks you to agree voluntarily not to do things that you are allowed to do by law, in exchange for bogus permissions that you do not need (because the law already allows you to do those things) |
| 06:30.15 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:30.19 | Telstar | how can i tell it not to scan /home !! |
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| 06:30.26 | dalias | th0rv4ld, thankfully, microsoft does not write the law |
| 06:30.27 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Microsoft requires you to accept a contract or their software won't install, so they can impose additional restrictions that the law doesn't |
| 06:30.31 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I'd like to see how well you would hold up in copyright court by using a pirated copy of Vista and saying that it isn't illegal to use it, just to give it to others. |
| 06:30.41 | Nyle | slow bot |
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| 06:30.45 | Nyle | very slow |
| 06:30.47 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Free software doesn't do that -- your use of GPL software is covered only by copyright law, and not by any EULA contract |
| 06:30.50 | Nyle | dpkg are you alive? |
| 06:30.52 | Nyle | !ping |
| 06:30.52 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:31.28 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: if I had a pirated copy of Vista, I'd have committed infringement by obtaining it |
| 06:31.30 | Nyle | hey man whats with the bot |
| 06:31.30 | dpkg | smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.37-6 (sid), Packaged size: 277 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 06:31.34 | Nyle | there it goes |
| 06:31.38 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: I commit no infringement by downloading free software |
| 06:31.59 | dalias | wyzard, not necessarily re: vista |
| 06:32.18 | dalias | for instance what if someone slipped a warezed vista cd into your purse without you knowing it? |
| 06:32.32 | dalias | or if you were really ignorant about computers and someone gave you it telling you it's free software |
| 06:32.42 | Wyzard | I'm sure there are common-sense exceptions for that sort of thing, but I'm not a lawyer so I don't know the details |
| 06:33.02 | marek` | hey |
| 06:33.13 | th0rv4ld | Is everyone in here going to tell me they've never pirated anything? |
| 06:33.24 | Nyle | off fucking topic |
| 06:33.25 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 06:33.28 | Nyle | stfu already |
| 06:33.31 | Nyle | ffs |
| 06:33.41 | marek` | when doing m-a a-i ndiswrapper i get "build of the package ndiswrapper-sourcer failed!" |
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| 06:33.45 | marek` | i'm trying to install 1390 |
| 06:34.05 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: I've never pirated Debian, even though I never agreed to any EULA anytime I've installed it :-) |
| 06:34.11 | marek` | anyone seen this befor? |
| 06:34.54 | marek` | error was at |
| 06:35.15 | marek` | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.17 | wols_ | damn. bts is down |
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| 06:35.26 | marek` | then a few more errors after thath point |
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| 06:37.44 | Roy_M | Hi, Just wondering if anyone here is a member of the voyage linux mailing lists? |
| 06:38.53 | Nyle | marek`: hmm |
| 06:39.49 | marek` | how an i checkndiswrapper version? |
| 06:40.00 | Nyle | marek`: why are you biulding it |
| 06:40.14 | marek` | i'm not |
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| 06:40.30 | marek` | but i googled around and people seem to think that the newer verion is preferred |
| 06:40.36 | marek` | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/9235 |
| 06:40.57 | Nyle | stuff in debian stable works just fine |
| 06:42.03 | marek` | etch? |
| 06:42.11 | Nyle | ey |
| 06:42.12 | marek` | i'm in etch and its not working |
| 06:42.19 | bako1 | Question: to disable dm-mod/dm-mirror i edit my modules.dep BUt i am enw to linux and afraid of what I might mess up anything to beware when doing a search for dm-mod and commenting that line? |
| 06:42.23 | wols_ | Nyle: afaik he has a custom kernel. for whatever reason |
| 06:42.30 | bako1 | new* |
| 06:42.37 | Nyle | oh, so the plot thickens |
| 06:42.39 | th0rv4ld | Has the flame war died yet? |
| 06:42.49 | Nyle | th0rv4ld: no need to ask |
| 06:42.52 | Nyle | just relax |
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| 06:43.16 | wols_ | bako1: why would you edit your modules.dep? |
| 06:43.39 | bako1 | wols_: i was googling around for my problem and saw a post about disabling drive mapper to mount a 2nd drive |
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| 06:44.03 | nepbabu | see ya all. |
| 06:44.06 | bakon | wols_: was the post i was reading http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:KCv2anldoq0J:www.linuxquestions.org/questions/red-hat-31/devsda1-already-mounted-or-mnt-busy.-sata-sil-3112-494987/+mount:+/dev/+already+mounted+or+busy+debian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 06:44.16 | wols_ | bakon: a) I doubt you are currently using this module and b) you don't blacklist that way |
| 06:44.28 | wols_ | !tell bakon about blacklist |
| 06:44.39 | Wyzard | bakon: Mounting additional hard drives does not require disabling device-mapper |
| 06:44.52 | bakon | I just dont know how to get around this error I am getting |
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| 06:45.43 | Wyzard | bakon: As root, run "dmsetup ls" |
| 06:45.48 | Wyzard | bakon: Does it return any output? |
| 06:46.07 | bakon | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.07 | bakon | No devices found |
| 06:46.09 | th0rv4ld | I had the greatest tech support call today. I had a customer that was trying to use windows media player to create, edit, and burn videos to DVD. She was mad at Dell for selling her a system that couldn't do that with Windows Media Player. |
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| 06:46.24 | dalias | haha |
| 06:46.25 | Wyzard | bakon: then device-mapper is not the cause of your problem |
| 06:46.31 | th0rv4ld | I tried explaining the software isn't designed to do that. |
| 06:46.37 | bakon | wyzard: thanks now if I only new what was heh |
| 06:46.39 | th0rv4ld | She wouldn't take that as an answer. |
| 06:46.42 | bakon | knew* |
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| 06:47.01 | th0rv4ld | She assumed that the computer should do what she wants it to do however she wants it to do it, programming be damned. |
| 06:47.17 | niru | I want to change the desktop text color |
| 06:47.25 | dalias | i admire you for being able to do that job |
| 06:47.32 | dalias | i couldn't stand doing such a thing |
| 06:47.34 | th0rv4ld | niru: KDE or Gnome? |
| 06:47.45 | dalias | it's worse |
| 06:47.46 | dalias | way worse |
| 06:48.05 | dalias | someone who underestimates their level of idiocy is a lot less of a problem than someone who overestimates it |
| 06:48.27 | Wyzard | dalias: I think you meant that the other way around |
| 06:48.30 | th0rv4ld | If only you knew how many times I've gotten customers to like vista just because of its search feature. |
| 06:48.32 | niru | th0rv4ld, gnome |
| 06:48.38 | niru | I added some lines in .gtkrc |
| 06:48.40 | dalias | oh |
| 06:48.42 | dalias | i meant a lot more |
| 06:48.43 | dalias | sorry |
| 06:48.57 | niru | th0rv4ld, but it shows patches around the text instead of changing the color |
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| 06:49.15 | th0rv4ld | niru: Sorry... Rusty in gnome, at the moment. I've spent so much time with KDE lately that I almost forgot how to set up a network share in XP the other day. |
| 06:49.33 | niru | th0rv4ld, ok |
| 06:49.36 | dalias | isnt kde just like windows? |
| 06:49.38 | th0rv4ld | niru: Better luck next time. You might want to try someone else in the channel. |
| 06:49.39 | dalias | </troll> |
| 06:49.44 | th0rv4ld | dalias: LMAO |
| 06:50.05 | th0rv4ld | dalias: I still can't breathe from that. |
| 06:50.12 | th0rv4ld | </cigarette> |
| 06:50.18 | Telstar | what arguments should I pass smartctl ? |
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| 06:50.50 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: <cigarette> leads to </th0rv4ld> |
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| 06:51.27 | Wyzard | hmm, didn't know cigarettes could send TCP disconnects though |
| 06:51.38 | Telstar | only comcast brand smokes |
| 06:51.43 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:51.51 | dalias | :) |
| 06:51.54 | Telstar | they're just lookin out for you, s'all |
| 06:52.01 | slocate | ooonnn5 |
| 06:52.18 | slocate | 4333 |
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| 06:52.20 | Wyzard | Comcast isn't completely blocking bittorrent seeding anymore, btw |
| 06:52.24 | debian | Hello |
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| 06:52.41 | debian | Debian without desktop enviroment doesnt have x? |
| 06:52.45 | Wyzard | but I can't see any faster than 40-50kB/sec, even though that's not my full upload capacity |
| 06:52.49 | Wyzard | *seed |
| 06:52.50 | Telstar | they are still being sued, however |
| 06:52.55 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 06:53.01 | Wyzard | and I'm looking forward to having FiOS available |
| 06:53.21 | Telstar | so about this smartctl, just pass it -t and the target ? |
| 06:53.39 | Wyzard | "-t short" or "-t long" |
| 06:54.07 | Wyzard | It'll tell you how long to wait for the test to finish, and then you get your prompt back basically immediately |
| 06:54.16 | Telstar | oh right |
| 06:54.26 | Wyzard | The time it tells you is a minimum assuming the drive is idle; it can take significantly longer if the drive is in use |
| 06:54.39 | Wyzard | "smartctl -l selftest" to check the test status |
| 06:55.15 | Wyzard | If it's done, you'll see the results; if it's still running, it'll tell you so, and give an estimated percentage (which may or may not be completely bogus -- on my drives it seems to always be either 10% or 90%) |
| 06:55.29 | Telstar | wonder why that is |
| 06:56.03 | debian | How do i configure x? |
| 06:56.13 | Telstar | I just did a short test on just the boot partition |
| 06:56.19 | Telstar | but where are the test results? |
| 06:56.35 | Wyzard | Telstar: smartctl -l selftest /dev/foo |
| 06:56.41 | simonrvn | !drxx debian |
| 06:56.41 | dpkg | debian: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 06:56.44 | Wyzard | Telstar: but what do you mean just the boot partition? |
| 06:56.46 | Telstar | ah... |
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| 06:56.51 | Wyzard | Telstar: smartctl operates on entire drives, not partitions |
| 06:56.58 | Abu-Aadam | is command edit a command to open default text editor |
| 06:56.58 | Telstar | smartctl -t short /dev/hda1 |
| 06:57.05 | Telstar | hmmm |
| 06:57.10 | Wyzard | That probably just does hda |
| 06:57.29 | Wyzard | smartctl talks to the drive itself, which knows nothing about partitions |
| 06:57.35 | Wyzard | Partitions are a convenient fiction made up by the OS |
| 06:58.07 | Telstar | that is very good to know |
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| 06:58.30 | th0rv4ld | lmao I had to explain that to my roommate. He didn't get the whole HTML tag jargon. |
| 06:58.34 | Telstar | well if it can do a long scan on 170Gigs in 20 minutes Im fine with that |
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| 06:59.45 | Telstar | now without getting ahead of myself, if the test comes back ok.... what do I do to get Etch boot not to hang? |
| 06:59.46 | Wyzard | Telstar: It can take significantly longer (even several times as long) if the drive is in-use |
| 06:59.52 | simonrvn | Abu-Aadam: you want 'editor' not 'edit' |
| 06:59.53 | th0rv4ld | eugh... If i didn't hate the fuzziness of lower resolutions on LCD panels, I would be a lot more tempted to change from 1440x1050 to something lower. |
| 07:00.05 | Telstar | good thing its not this box then, but I can see why that would be |
| 07:00.14 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: The only fuzziness you get on an LCD is from using the wrong resolution |
| 07:00.28 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: An LCD has one and only one native resolution, and that's what you should run it at |
| 07:00.35 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Correct. That's why I'm not lowering my res. |
| 07:00.54 | Wyzard | Why would you be tempted to reduce it anyway? |
| 07:01.00 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I just hate tiny text, sometimes, and I don't like having to reconfigure all of the font sizes on everything. |
| 07:01.16 | Wyzard | I suppose |
| 07:01.22 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I do tech support. I look at computer screens all day. It hurts at the end of the night. |
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| 07:01.34 | Telstar | setting screen resolution really isn't the best way to adjust font sizing |
| 07:02.01 | Wyzard | If you remove the "-dpi 96" option that Debian's X packaging uses to fudge the DPI, xorg will calculate your monitor's true DPI and scale the fonts accordingly |
| 07:02.26 | Telstar | Wyzard- knowing this drive as I do, I'm pretty confident it will pass the test with flying colours! |
| 07:02.31 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Is that somewhere in xorg.conf ? |
| 07:02.59 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: No, not there... are you using GDM? |
| 07:03.09 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: kdm |
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| 07:03.30 | Wyzard | It'd be somewhere in the KDM configuration, then, but I'm not familiar with KDM |
| 07:03.46 | Wyzard | See if you can find the settings for the actual command-line options to be passed to the X server program when it's launched |
| 07:03.55 | Wyzard | GDM's default config has a "-dpi 96" there |
| 07:03.59 | simonrvn | /etc/X11 ;) |
| 07:04.01 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Yeah. Neither am I. I'm still pretty new to linux. |
| 07:04.26 | Wyzard | Actually, if you run "xdpyinfo | less" and press PgDn once or twice, you can see your current DPI |
| 07:04.34 | Wyzard | "resolution: 99x98 dots per inch" |
| 07:05.01 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Yet again, the bot knows. /msg dpkg dpi |
| 07:05.02 | Wyzard | If yours doesn't say 96x96, you don't need to go looking for a "-dpi 96" option anyway |
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| 07:05.20 | Wyzard | No, don't use the DisplaySize option |
| 07:05.29 | Wyzard | X can get that info from the monitor itself |
| 07:05.36 | Wyzard | That's only needed on old monitors |
| 07:05.46 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I think native DPI is somewhere around 100 or 120 on my LCD |
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| 07:05.52 | simonrvn | resolution: 75x75 dots per inch *g* |
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| 07:06.00 | Wyzard | The problem is that if X is started up with the DPI forced to 96, it'll use 96 rather than calculating the true DPI based on the display's size |
| 07:06.18 | slocate | l |
| 07:06.21 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Incorrect, in my case. X can't detect my native resolution. |
| 07:06.25 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: then your fonts will get significantly bigger if you switch from 96 to your true resolution |
| 07:06.34 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Do you have an old LCD or something? |
| 07:06.49 | slocate | l |
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| 07:07.03 | simonrvn | wrong window slocate ;) |
| 07:07.18 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Any recent monitor ought to be able to provide its specs to xorg via EDID |
| 07:07.31 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Nope. it's a notebook. Integrated intel graphics. System produced by uniwill. Take your pick. All I know is that I have to force it with 915resolution |
| 07:07.47 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: oh, that's different |
| 07:07.48 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Well, it is two or three years old. |
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| 07:08.04 | somian | That can happen (I guess) |
| 07:08.12 | Wyzard | 915resolution isn't really for telling X what resolution to use, it's just making it possible to actually use that video mode |
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| 07:08.23 | Wyzard | xorg can figure out on its own what mode it *should* use |
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| 07:08.57 | th0rv4ld | wyzard: Incorrect in my case, again. If i don't install 915resolution, X will defy my settings and set it to 1280x1024 |
| 07:09.17 | lubos | can anyone plase remind me what kernel option I need to have in order to use bootsplash on etch? |
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| 07:09.27 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Whether I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or rewrite xorg.conf |
| 07:09.38 | th0rv4ld | lubos: You have to go to testing. |
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| 07:09.44 | somian | And what is the native res on your laptop LCD, th0rv4ld? |
| 07:09.49 | th0rv4ld | lubos: let me get you a link. |
| 07:09.56 | Wyzard | That's because the i915 video driver can only use video modes that are preprogrammed into the video BIOS |
| 07:09.57 | th0rv4ld | somian: 1400x1050 |
| 07:10.02 | Wyzard | and your video BIOS doesn't have a 1440x1050 mode |
| 07:10.05 | somian | Yep, same as on mine. |
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| 07:10.12 | Wyzard | so X can't use 1440x1050 even though it knows it should |
| 07:10.28 | Wyzard | 915resolution fiddles with the video BIOS so that there's a 1440x1050 mode for xorg to use |
| 07:10.42 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Like I said, uniwill. It works fine in Windows. |
| 07:11.02 | Wyzard | because Windows knows how to program video modes directly, rather than relying on predefined modes in the video BIOS |
| 07:11.10 | somian | In my case I haven't had to use 915resolution ...my laptop is newer (acquired this year). |
| 07:11.11 | Wyzard | So does the newer version of the xorg driver |
| 07:11.15 | lubos | th0rv4ld: I got some link couple weeks ago and now i'm googling and can not find it anymore :-( |
| 07:11.25 | th0rv4ld | lubos: I'll get it for you. |
| 07:11.31 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: I have a laptop with an i915 and I've researched this |
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| 07:11.51 | lubos | th0rv4ld: i'm not on testing.. its stable version |
| 07:12.05 | th0rv4ld | lubos: Just please be patient. I'm compiling wine, running iceweasel, and IRCing, and my CPU is only 1.4 GHz |
| 07:12.16 | lubos | th0rv4ld: thanks :-) |
| 07:12.27 | th0rv4ld | lubos: The bootsplash package for Debian only works on testing. |
| 07:12.52 | th0rv4ld | lubos: The support is built into the kernel. |
| 07:12.53 | lubos | th0rv4ld: you are talking about splashy perhaps... |
| 07:13.59 | th0rv4ld | lubos: Actually, I think the package is bsplash-essentials and the kernel (whatever the package name is for that) |
| 07:14.36 | th0rv4ld | http://www.bootsplash.org/Debian |
| 07:15.09 | th0rv4ld | actually, use this instead. http://bstheme.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:15.20 | th0rv4ld | same thing, but it's a link to the right page. |
| 07:15.36 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: My system has an 855, I think, not a 915 |
| 07:15.54 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: same driver, same problem |
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| 07:16.21 | lubos | th0rv4ld: thank you |
| 07:16.26 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: xorg can detect your LCD's characteristics and figure out what mode it *should* use, but there's no such mode available in the video card until 915 creates one |
| 07:16.38 | Wyzard | until 915resolution creates one, that is |
| 07:16.56 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: So I have to continue to afro-engineer it. I'm fine with that. What about my dpi, then? |
| 07:17.13 | th0rv4ld | lubos: Not a problem. |
| 07:17.32 | th0rv4ld | lubos: Like I said, I think you need to do a full upgrade to testing, not just add the repositories. |
| 07:17.34 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: As long as you have 915resolution setting up your 1440x1050 mode in the video BIOS, you should be able to use xorg's autodetection features |
| 07:17.52 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: How do I get it to autodetect DPI? |
| 07:18.17 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Does it just do it every time I boot, or does it make a setting? |
| 07:18.26 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: ps -ef | grep /usr/bin/X |
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| 07:18.45 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: You should see a line that mentions "-audit 0" and "-auth" something |
| 07:18.55 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Do you see "-dpi 96" on that line too? |
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| 07:19.47 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: btw, are you running testing? |
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| 07:20.18 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: stable. |
| 07:20.22 | Wyzard | ok |
| 07:20.26 | th0rv4ld | and no |
| 07:20.30 | lubos | th0rv4ld: In testing you do not even have to do that... You need to nstall spalshy package. in etch you need to get support to kernel and install bootsplash. |
| 07:20.38 | th0rv4ld | I don't see anything relating to dpi |
| 07:20.52 | th0rv4ld | I don't see -audit 0 or -auth |
| 07:21.03 | Wyzard | You were talking about testing to lubos so I thought you might be... testing has a different driver, xserver-xorg-video-intel, which shouldn't require 915resolution |
| 07:21.13 | th0rv4ld | does me having su running make a different? |
| 07:21.19 | Wyzard | Do you see a line that says "/usr/bin/X"? |
| 07:21.26 | Wyzard | other than the grep command itself |
| 07:21.32 | Wyzard | no, using su doesn't matter |
| 07:21.39 | Wyzard | but I assume you currently have X running |
| 07:21.44 | th0rv4ld | xserver-xorg-video-intel fudged my resolution up, horribly, in ubuntu. I'll never use it again. |
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| 07:22.10 | Wyzard | It's been working fine for me on my laptop (which has a 915 and runs unstable) |
| 07:22.35 | th0rv4ld | It actually stretched the screen out, and made half of it black with pixellated lines |
| 07:22.38 | th0rv4ld | Mjolnir:/home/thorvald# ps -ef | grep /usr/bin/X |
| 07:22.38 | th0rv4ld | root 3769 3763 2 Nov18 tty7 00:05:15 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-lJl6KT |
| 07:22.39 | th0rv4ld | root 22179 10210 0 00:19 pts/1 00:00:00 grep /usr/bin/X |
| 07:22.47 | Wyzard | It's the current version of the driver, though, so if you vow to never use it again, you'll eventually be stuck in the stone age with an obsolete driver that isn't developed anymore |
| 07:22.47 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 07:23.12 | Wyzard | That might have been an earlier version of the modesetting driver... it used to be a bit buggy |
| 07:23.22 | Wyzard | It seems fine now though |
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| 07:23.34 | th0rv4ld | Ubuntu is built off of a snapshot of debian unstable, every six months. |
| 07:23.50 | th0rv4ld | And even with Gutsy, I still have to use 915resolution. |
| 07:23.58 | Wyzard | anyway, that line you pasted is the right one, but you're right that it doesn't look like its DPI is being forced |
| 07:24.14 | th0rv4ld | That's all that was returned |
| 07:24.26 | Wyzard | xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 07:24.29 | Wyzard | What does that say? |
| 07:25.08 | lubos | so you guys are telling me that there is no such a way to use bootsplash on etch? |
| 07:25.17 | th0rv4ld | Mjolnir:/home/thorvald# xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 07:25.17 | th0rv4ld | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 07:25.18 | th0rv4ld | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 07:25.18 | th0rv4ld | xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0". |
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| 07:25.28 | th0rv4ld | Did you get that? |
| 07:25.28 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Run it in X |
| 07:25.29 | th0rv4ld | >< |
| 07:25.34 | th0rv4ld | Ok. |
| 07:25.49 | th0rv4ld | lubos: Not on your life. |
| 07:25.58 | th0rv4ld | lubos: Use Ubuntu if you want a bootsplash. |
| 07:26.07 | th0rv4ld | lubos: or switch to testing. |
| 07:26.26 | th0rv4ld | lubos: Otherwise, pretend it's just BIOS being a pain in the ass. |
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| 07:27.17 | lubos | th0rv4ld: ubuntu ? I rather wait whole my life for it:-) |
| 07:27.41 | th0rv4ld | lubos: You won't have to. When does testing become stable, next? |
| 07:28.30 | Wyzard | Assuming an 18-month release cycle, about 9 more months |
| 07:28.38 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: xdpyinfo does nothing in a run dialog. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 07:28.41 | Wyzard | but Debian's releases tend to take longer than 18 months |
| 07:28.58 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Run it in a terminal window in X... it gets info about your X server and displays lots of output |
| 07:29.06 | lubos | th0rv4ld: this is more difficult for me... I can not switch to testing ... |
| 07:29.22 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I did it in YaKuake. It will return the same thing with Konsole. |
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| 07:29.51 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I can't open programs that rely on X with consoles. |
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| 07:30.16 | Wyzard | You can't open a konsole and run a command in it? |
| 07:30.33 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I can run commands in it, but it returns the following: |
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| 07:30.57 | th0rv4ld | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 07:30.57 | th0rv4ld | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 07:30.57 | th0rv4ld | xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0". |
| 07:31.01 | bakon | Question: in SSH how can i make it have the info before ~$ as a name instead of an IP? |
| 07:31.26 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I get the same thing in xterm, konsole, yakuake, and every other console I use. |
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| 07:31.56 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Run "xauth list" from a konsole and see if it returns a line that mentions "unix:0" |
| 07:31.58 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: as root or as a LUser. |
| 07:32.29 | th0rv4ld | xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority |
| 07:32.31 | Wyzard | Don't paste the line, though, since the hex digits are a sort of password |
| 07:32.46 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: As your normal user, not as root |
| 07:32.51 | th0rv4ld | mmkay |
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| 07:33.24 | th0rv4ld | Yuuuuummmm.... cookies. |
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| 07:34.14 | Wyzard | Do you see lines for hostname/unix:0 and localhost.localdomain/unix:0 ? |
| 07:34.14 | th0rv4ld | Is it still generating keys, or did it stop without returning me to a prompt? |
| 07:34.31 | Wyzard | You should get your prompt back immediately |
| 07:34.39 | Wyzard | It's not generating anything, it's just reading from a small file |
| 07:34.43 | Wyzard | your ~/.Xauthority |
| 07:35.14 | th0rv4ld | hostname/unix:0 and <my pre-NAT IP address>:0 |
| 07:35.23 | th0rv4ld | No prompt. |
| 07:35.28 | Wyzard | none for localhost.localdomain? |
| 07:35.34 | Wyzard | and it hung |
| 07:35.37 | Wyzard | Well, that's unusual |
| 07:35.39 | th0rv4ld | Nothing that says localhost.localdomain. |
| 07:36.00 | th0rv4ld | brb. I ran a program with wine a few hours ago that refuses to be killed. |
| 07:36.07 | th0rv4ld | That's hanging everything up. |
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| 07:36.22 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: If you quit X, delete your ~/.Xauthority, and then start X again, that might fix your problem |
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| 07:37.08 | elnovatillo | HELP !! After unpacking 162MB of additional disk space will be used. Err http://ftp.ru.debian.org lenny/main libportaudio2 19+svn20070125-1 404 Not Found [IP: 193.233.9.194 80] Failed to fetch http://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/portaudio19/libportaudio2_19+svn20070125-1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 193.233.9.194 80] E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? RESULT=10 |
| 07:37.37 | Wyzard | elnovatillo: That often just means the mirror hasn't finished syncing yet |
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| 07:37.44 | Wyzard | elnovatillo: Try it again later |
| 07:37.53 | elnovatillo | what on earth! |
| 07:38.22 | Wyzard | The 404s mean those .deb files aren't on the server |
| 07:38.39 | Wyzard | Since you're running testing, I'm guessing these are new packages that were just introduced today |
| 07:38.54 | Wyzard | The server has to download all the new .deb files itself, and that takes time |
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| 07:39.21 | Wyzard | If you try later, those files should be available |
| 07:40.36 | elnovatillo | ok thanks |
| 07:40.40 | telstar | hey Wyz, my smartctl test still has a few minutes, but was hoping someone here had some insight into why Etch might be hanging |
| 07:41.08 | Wyzard | without any information beyond "etch is hanging", I have no idea |
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| 07:41.14 | telstar | most of the stuff I found on Goog was after someone changed something |
| 07:41.24 | th0rv4ld | which file do I delete, again? |
| 07:41.30 | telstar | this is just a fresh seemingly successful install |
| 07:41.35 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: ~/.Xauthority |
| 07:41.37 | Wyzard | while X is not running |
| 07:41.57 | Wyzard | or at least, while you're not logged into it |
| 07:42.14 | Wyzard | then log into KDM again and the file will be recreated with new keys |
| 07:42.19 | Wyzard | and hopefully it won't be broken this time |
| 07:42.20 | th0rv4ld | mmkay |
| 07:42.21 | th0rv4ld | brb |
| 07:42.24 | telstar | Wyz- wasn't expecting anyone to know the answer of course, just where to start to look for it |
| 07:43.13 | Wyzard | telstar: For random lockups in different places (no consistent pattern), I'd investigate hardware first |
| 07:43.16 | Wyzard | maybe run memtest |
| 07:43.25 | Wyzard | check for overheating |
| 07:43.25 | Wyzard | etc. |
| 07:44.41 | telstar | thanks very much. |
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| 07:46.38 | nadim | Hi - I've been getting 'BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1' for the past 2 weeks now anytime I try to 'apt-get update' -- my keys look OK how can I find out the exact mirror I'm being routed to for "http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release" |
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| 07:47.26 | nadim | various google searches note "just wait" but its been over 2 weeks - so I'm guessing something more serious is wrong... |
| 07:47.40 | th0rv4ld | Mmkay. rm ~/.Xauthority done |
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| 07:47.59 | th0rv4ld | xauth list (not as root) returns only hostname/unix:0 |
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| 07:48.04 | th0rv4ld | plus the magic cookie |
| 07:48.21 | Wyzard | Do you get your prompt back now, or does it still hang? |
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| 07:48.40 | th0rv4ld | got the prompt back, but there's no localblahblahblah |
| 07:48.52 | Wyzard | nadim: I got BADSIG for a day or two after ftp-master came back up, but it's been fine for the past few days |
| 07:49.15 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Try running an X app from your konsole now |
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| 07:51.31 | th0rv4ld | amaroK opened. Let me test another. |
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| 07:51.56 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: You're a lifesaver, dude. |
| 07:51.58 | Wyzard | Try "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" |
| 07:52.12 | Wyzard | That's not a GUI app, but it's still an X app |
| 07:52.51 | th0rv4ld | resolution: 75x5 dots per inch |
| 07:53.11 | Wyzard | no wonder your text is so small |
| 07:53.18 | Wyzard | (assuming you meant 75x75, of course) |
| 07:53.34 | th0rv4ld | 75x75* |
| 07:53.47 | th0rv4ld | Any way to force it? |
| 07:53.51 | Wyzard | Take a look through your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any lines containing the number 75 |
| 07:53.59 | Wyzard | See if you can find anything mentioning DPI |
| 07:54.16 | th0rv4ld | nano /var/log/Xorg,9.log |
| 07:54.17 | th0rv4ld | gah |
| 07:54.19 | th0rv4ld | sorry |
| 07:54.20 | th0rv4ld | >< |
| 07:54.20 | nadim | Wyzard: as noted its been this way for me for at least 2 weeks - is there anything I can do on my end to bring this issue to aresolve ? |
| 07:54.38 | dalias | btw |
| 07:54.45 | th0rv4ld | Not only did I get the wrong window, I typoed it. |
| 07:54.46 | th0rv4ld | >< |
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| 07:55.05 | dalias | forcing dpi to 96 instead of 75 or 100 solves a lot of annoying glitches with firefox/iceweasel |
| 07:55.13 | Wyzard | nadim: Try a different mirror maybe |
| 07:55.21 | Wyzard | nadim: Other than that, dunno offhand |
| 07:55.38 | th0rv4ld | dalias: Like when I click a link, the tab's title changes, but the page doesn't? |
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| 07:55.48 | dalias | no |
| 07:55.51 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: no, that has nothing to do with your DPI |
| 07:55.52 | th0rv4ld | dalias: That's my biggest annoyance with iceweasel. |
| 07:55.56 | th0rv4ld | I figured not. |
| 07:55.59 | th0rv4ld | Just being hopeful. |
| 07:56.00 | th0rv4ld | >< |
| 07:56.08 | dalias | the jittering of text and images by one pixel when you move the mouse over them |
| 07:56.15 | Wyzard | dalias: I used to have a 126x126dpi display and I don't recall having any DPI-related "annoying glitches" |
| 07:56.19 | th0rv4ld | Never had that problem. |
| 07:56.20 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me why im getting these errors? http://www.pastebin.ca/783584 |
| 07:56.21 | Wyzard | though I use epiphany, not firefox |
| 07:56.45 | th0rv4ld | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" does not exist. |
| 07:56.48 | th0rv4ld | There's one line |
| 07:56.58 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: That one's harmless and normal; ignore it |
| 07:56.59 | dalias | wyzard, it doesn't manifest itself on all websites, just some |
| 07:57.02 | nadim | Wyzard: a different mirror other than 'http://security.debian.org' - that seems rather fundemental no or am I being routed somewhere else and not really that http... |
| 07:57.47 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: What is "/usr/mv" ? |
| 07:58.01 | DeZ_666 | thats non-existant |
| 07:58.02 | th0rv4ld | bunch of hex, but none of it adds to 75. Is it going to be just plain decimal 75? |
| 07:58.04 | DeZ_666 | mv is the command |
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| 07:58.30 | DeZ_666 | the line-returns didnt show up correctly |
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| 07:58.39 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Is the "/usr/" part of the command you typed? |
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| 07:59.05 | DeZ_666 | http://www.pastebin.ca/783596 is correct |
| 07:59.11 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Why are you moving a bunch of stuff from a user's home directory to /usr? |
| 07:59.22 | nadim | odd this gets more interesting - so 'http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates ...' works while 'http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates ...' -- doesn't, is that normal and shouldn't one be pointing to the other ? |
| 07:59.26 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard im moving stuff from some compressed folders |
| 07:59.36 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Is the value hexadecimal or decimal? |
| 07:59.41 | DeZ_666 | im trying to get my audio working and these are out of some compressed folder from Intel |
| 07:59.55 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: What value, the DPI? |
| 07:59.58 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: That's decimal |
| 08:00.00 | th0rv4ld | Ok. |
| 08:00.19 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Stuff you install by hand goes in /usr/local, not /usr |
| 08:00.49 | DeZ_666 | The folder i got out of the .tar.bz2 was `usr' |
| 08:00.58 | dalias | ...... |
| 08:01.01 | DeZ_666 | it contains the folders `bin, sbin, share' |
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| 08:01.20 | dalias | dez_666, this crap is not suitable for installing on debian |
| 08:01.31 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: /usr/local is the alternate /usr that's meant for things installed manually by the system administrator |
| 08:01.41 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: /usr is for things installed by the package system |
| 08:01.44 | DeZ_666 | then tell me how to fix my audio otherwise dalias |
| 08:02.03 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: how can i move these folders to /usr/local then? |
| 08:02.03 | dalias | you definitely should not be installing some broken random binaryware to fix it... |
| 08:02.08 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: What's wrong with Debian's alsa-tools? |
| 08:02.10 | dalias | all that will do is break your system to hell |
| 08:02.21 | DeZ_666 | it doesnt fscking work :) thats what Wyzard |
| 08:02.33 | Wyzard | !doesn't work |
| 08:02.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:02.36 | DeZ_666 | dalias: this is stuff from intel, how is it 'broken'? |
| 08:02.40 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: (==) I810(0): DPI set to (75, 75) |
| 08:02.40 | dalias | nor will whatever crap you're installing now work |
| 08:02.45 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: alsaconf cant see my audio card |
| 08:02.59 | DeZ_666 | however other distro's use Intel HDA for my card and it works fine |
| 08:03.10 | dalias | dez_666, well the way you've described the contents of that file shows that intel has no fucking clue what they're doing |
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| 08:04.04 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: All you need to use ALSA is to load the right driver module for your soundcard (which is normally done automatically by hardware detection these days) and run alsamixer to unmute the volume levels |
| 08:04.16 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: The driver for your soundcard is "snd-hda-intel" |
| 08:04.30 | th0rv4ld | (II) I810(0): Built-in Notebook LCD: Using hsync range of 30.00-67.00 kHz |
| 08:04.30 | th0rv4ld | (II) I810(0): Built-in Notebook LCD: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-75.00 $ |
| 08:04.31 | DeZ_666 | Where can I find that, and how can I get it to load that module..? |
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| 08:04.41 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Try "modprobe snd-hda-intel" |
| 08:04.45 | th0rv4ld | II) I810(0): Increasing the scanline pitch to allow tiling mode (1400 ->$ |
| 08:04.45 | th0rv4ld | (--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1400x1050 (pitch 2048) |
| 08:04.46 | th0rv4ld | (**) I810(0): *Built-in mode "1400x1050" |
| 08:04.51 | slocate | lol |
| 08:04.52 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Actually, run lsmod first and check if it's already loaded |
| 08:05.00 | th0rv4ld | (**) I810(0): Built-in mode "1280x1024" |
| 08:05.00 | th0rv4ld | (**) I810(0): Built-in mode "1024x768" |
| 08:05.08 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Don't paste like that |
| 08:05.08 | DeZ_666 | it says its loaded |
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| 08:05.22 | dalias | then just unmute and use it |
| 08:05.23 | DeZ_666 | th0rv4ld: may i suggest www.pastebin.ca ? |
| 08:05.37 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: ctrl+v doesn't work. |
| 08:05.44 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: then your sound card is recognized automatically by the boot-time hardware detection |
| 08:05.44 | th0rv4ld | lol |
| 08:05.49 | th0rv4ld | :-P |
| 08:05.54 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: run alsamixer and turn up the volume levels (they're all zeroed by default) |
| 08:06.11 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: it returns an error when i run it |
| 08:06.18 | Wyzard | when you run what? |
| 08:06.24 | slocate | 1 |
| 08:06.26 | Wyzard | alsamixer? |
| 08:06.29 | DeZ_666 | `function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device' |
| 08:06.32 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: That's all I have. (==) I810(0): DPI set to (75, 75) |
| 08:06.32 | DeZ_666 | yes, alsamixer |
| 08:06.56 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Maybe it's failing to detect your LCD panel's physical size after all, though that'd be pretty surprising |
| 08:07.00 | slocate | l |
| 08:07.07 | DeZ_666 | !alsa |
| 08:07.07 | dpkg | i heard alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist> |
| 08:07.10 | slocate | 2 |
| 08:07.18 | DeZ_666 | hmm wheres that shellscript i used.. |
| 08:07.21 | th0rv4ld | !chicken |
| 08:07.25 | th0rv4ld | darn. |
| 08:07.27 | th0rv4ld | lol |
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| 08:07.59 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: rmmod snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 08:08.05 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Any errors or warnings from that? |
| 08:08.14 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I have a really high resolution for a 14-inch. |
| 08:08.16 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: If not, run dmesg and see if there are any HDA-related messages there |
| 08:08.43 | DeZ_666 | Sec let me see |
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| 08:09.13 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: Try using that DisplaySize option that you read about earlier, and if you get a DPI other than 75, leave it there |
| 08:09.16 | DeZ_666 | No errors Wyzard |
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| 08:09.29 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: but if your DPI is still 75, something else must be forcing it |
| 08:09.40 | th0rv4ld | !dpi |
| 08:09.41 | dpkg | hmm... dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 08:09.41 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Not even in dmesg? |
| 08:10.08 | DeZ_666 | There does not appear to be |
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| 08:10.15 | DeZ_666 | im still reading it |
| 08:10.30 | D2b | hello |
| 08:10.35 | D2b | i`m in need of some help |
| 08:10.39 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: You don't have to read the whole thing; any relevant messages would be the most recent ones, at the end |
| 08:10.53 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc has -dpi 100 |
| 08:10.55 | D2b | i have installed debian for amd 64 but i have some problems with the net installing |
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| 08:11.07 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: That only affects the "startx" command, not KDM (afaik) |
| 08:11.14 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: lspci | grep audio |
| 08:11.17 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Paste that line |
| 08:11.25 | D2b | my connection is a fiberlink and i need to specify a username and password but the setup do not require this and i can`t run pppoeconf either |
| 08:11.29 | DeZ_666 | lspci finds it i should have mentioned earlier |
| 08:11.31 | D2b | can someone give me an idea ? |
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| 08:11.54 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: What I'm wondering about is the name it shows up with in lspci, and/or the actual PCI ID |
| 08:11.59 | Wyzard | slocate: Why do you keep doing that? |
| 08:12.15 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: give me a second and ill run the alsa info shellscript |
| 08:12.16 | D2b | can anyone help me ? |
| 08:12.34 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: I'm asking about lspci, not some unknown shellscript |
| 08:12.47 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: its the ALSA info shellscript |
| 08:12.59 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: lspci | grep audio |
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| 08:13.30 | D2b | am i invisible or something ? |
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| 08:13.52 | Wyzard | D2b: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds05.html.en |
| 08:13.57 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: www.pastebin.ca/783610 |
| 08:14.15 | clownish | hey, is there any good text-based mail-reader beside mutt, pine, elm? |
| 08:15.12 | D2b | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 08:17.03 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: looks like etch's kernel doesn't support that soundcard |
| 08:17.11 | DeZ_666 | son of a bitch.. |
| 08:17.17 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: The card's PCI ID is 10de:03f0 |
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| 08:17.32 | DeZ_666 | does that have any significance? |
| 08:17.43 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: If you run "/sbin/modinfo snd-hda-intel" and look at the "pci:" lines, you can see the list of PCI IDs that the driver knows about |
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| 08:18.21 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: There are a few that say "v000010DE" (nVidia's vendor code) but none of those is "d000003F0" (which would be the device code for the MCP61) |
| 08:18.39 | DeZ_666 | you are correct :'( |
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| 08:18.52 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: The snd-hda-intel driver in kernel 2.6.22 (on my sid system) lists it, though |
| 08:19.03 | DeZ_666 | MCP61? |
| 08:19.06 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: so the issue is just that you need a newer kernel to support that soundcard |
| 08:19.11 | Wedhus_Liar | Can i install Squid 2.5.6.10 on Debian Woody?? |
| 08:19.15 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: "Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)" |
| 08:19.29 | DeZ_666 | How do I get a new kernel? :X |
| 08:19.32 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: MCP61 is the name of the chipset |
| 08:19.49 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: You could install a backport, or (less preferable) upgrade to testing |
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| 08:20.00 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: or you could use a distro that's released more recently and has a newer kernel |
| 08:20.17 | DeZ_666 | I had fedora 8 on here which supported it |
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| 08:20.25 | DeZ_666 | and puppylinux 3.01 supports it |
| 08:20.25 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 08:20.31 | Wyzard | Ubuntu 7.10 would too |
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| 08:20.43 | DeZ_666 | Whats the risk of installing a testing? |
| 08:20.50 | Wyzard | and, as mentioned, Debian testing/unstable would |
| 08:21.04 | DeZ_666 | any large risks or great chances of bad things happening? |
| 08:21.05 | azeem | DeZ_666: less stability |
| 08:21.08 | Wyzard | testing isn't as stable; things break occasionally |
| 08:21.19 | azeem | DeZ_666: usually not, for desktop systems testing should be mostly fine |
| 08:21.22 | Wyzard | I wouldn't say there's a great risk of "bad things happening" |
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| 08:21.35 | DeZ_666 | Well, give me an example? |
| 08:21.40 | Wyzard | You just wouldn't want to run it on a mission-critical server |
| 08:21.57 | DeZ_666 | Oh haha. Well the FBI doesn't employ me so i might be ok :) |
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| 08:22.35 | DeZ_666 | How would I go about getting a testing kernel? |
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| 08:22.52 | azeem | DeZ_666: upgrade to testing |
| 08:22.59 | azeem | DeZ_666: what kernel are you running right now? |
| 08:23.06 | DeZ_666 | Uh |
| 08:23.12 | DeZ_666 | 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 08:23.15 | DeZ_666 | o.O |
| 08:23.24 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I added Xft.dpi: 96 to ~/.Xresources |
| 08:23.33 | azeem | ok |
| 08:23.43 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: That's not a very good solution IMO |
| 08:23.46 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Now my fonts seem to be larger, after a ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 08:24.04 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Why do you think that's not a good solution? |
| 08:24.19 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: Just want to know your opinion. |
| 08:24.23 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: That doesn't actually change xorg's idea of what the DPI is; it just tells one particular piece of software (the font rasterizer) to ignore xorg's DPI and use 96 instead |
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| 08:24.38 | Wyzard | th0rv4ld: It'd be better to change xorg's own idea of what the DPI is |
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| 08:24.53 | th0rv4ld | Wyzard: I agree with you. I'll keep looking. |
| 08:24.57 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
| 08:25.07 | DeZ_666 | hi |
| 08:25.12 | Wyzard | Anyway, it's 3:30am here and I have to go to work in the morning |
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| 08:25.20 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: wait |
| 08:25.27 | DeZ_666 | how do i upgrade to testing..? :D |
| 08:25.40 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: Others can help you with getting a newer kernel -- it's a common question |
| 08:25.45 | DeZ_666 | Oh ok |
| 08:25.52 | DeZ_666 | well thansk for all your help man |
| 08:26.02 | DeZ_666 | you've now become my favorite person on freenode XD |
| 08:26.09 | Wyzard | np, and now you've learned a bit about PCI IDs :-) |
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| 08:26.17 | Wyzard | (They're just a vendor code and a device code) |
| 08:26.26 | DeZ_666 | Bye ^^ |
| 08:26.29 | PeaceNLove | Is there channel devoted to apt-ge/dpkg packaging ? |
| 08:26.54 | PeaceNLove | dsc/dpkg/apt-get |
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| 08:26.58 | PeaceNLove | ? |
| 08:27.16 | Nyle | PeaceNLove: here is fine |
| 08:27.17 | darkbahamut | im not sure im still a nub at linux |
| 08:27.25 | Nyle | a nub> |
| 08:27.30 | darkbahamut | noob o.O |
| 08:27.32 | DeZ_666 | omfg yay i think i know how to get the new kernel XD |
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| 08:27.49 | DeZ_666 | http://aruljohn.com/info/kernel/ <-- Sweet. |
| 08:27.57 | PeaceNLove | etch is 4.0, right. Which number is lenny ? |
| 08:28.09 | PeaceNLove | 5.0 ? |
| 08:28.24 | darkbahamut | what version of linux is everyone using? |
| 08:28.38 | th0rv4ld | Darkbahamut: Debian Etch |
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| 08:29.00 | Nyle | !polls |
| 08:29.01 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 08:29.16 | DeZ_666 | !bad polls |
| 08:29.17 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
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| 08:29.38 | DeZ_666 | I like #3. |
| 08:29.44 | darkbahamut | many people like etch thats what i got now its not working so good for me |
| 08:29.56 | DeZ_666 | I wasn't aware there was a newer version |
| 08:29.56 | capiira | DeZ_666, http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 08:29.58 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: what problems are you having? |
| 08:30.01 | PeaceNLove | i like possl in generall, but true, polls on irc do not work |
| 08:30.08 | DeZ_666 | Oh thanks capiira!!! |
| 08:30.09 | DeZ_666 | :D |
| 08:30.17 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: no sound no audio and acpi problems |
| 08:30.25 | DeZ_666 | I was using http://aruljohn.com/info/kernel/ but i am on AMD64 |
| 08:30.31 | DeZ_666 | and the command i used didnt work.. |
| 08:30.43 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i ment no sound no wlan* |
| 08:31.24 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: I might be able to help with the wireless. What wireless card are you using? |
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| 08:31.27 | DeZ_666 | Ugh i forgot my networking crap is fubar'd |
| 08:31.36 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i have broadcom |
| 08:31.53 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Nobody can help you with that one. |
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| 08:31.58 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: lol |
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| 08:32.04 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i know i had atleast sound working ubuntu |
| 08:32.04 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me why new eth*'s keep appearing in the network settings window? |
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| 08:32.07 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: lol |
| 08:32.11 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Which broadcom card, specifically? |
| 08:32.17 | darkbahamut | umm |
| 08:32.26 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: 1 sec |
| 08:32.59 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) |
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| 08:33.17 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: thats what lspci says |
| 08:33.19 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: checking something. brb |
| 08:33.55 | Unwise | darkbahamut: hey! |
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| 08:34.08 | darkbahamut | Unwise: heya unwise hows it going? |
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| 08:34.32 | Unwise | darkbahamut: 'k you? |
| 08:34.36 | darkbahamut | Unwise: same |
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| 08:34.48 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Have you tried ndiswrapper? |
| 08:35.00 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: not yet |
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| 08:35.20 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: abandon all other hope except ndiswrapper. If it doesn't work, you're fucked. |
| 08:35.24 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i dont even know how to install stuff on linux yet |
| 08:35.41 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: open Konsole. |
| 08:35.44 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i know aptitude but thats it |
| 08:35.56 | DeZ_666 | Uh can anyone tell me why when i use `apt-get install kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot wget bzip2 build-essential' it asks for my debian-etch CD? |
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| 08:36.03 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: then use su to get a root prompt |
| 08:36.22 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: can it be gotten with aptitude? |
| 08:36.22 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: apt-get install ndiswrapper |
| 08:36.24 | dalias | dez_666, check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:36.36 | eth01 | whats the best way of implementing a web-cache onto my network (err, squid sucks IMHO) |
| 08:36.39 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: ok thanks will try brb :D |
| 08:37.07 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: ndiswrapper isn't in the repositories. Disregard that. |
| 08:37.16 | DeZ_666 | dalias: how do i/is it wise to remove the cd? |
| 08:37.24 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: it says E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper |
| 08:37.53 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: google ndiswrapper debian |
| 08:37.59 | dalias | depends on if you want to use the cd |
| 08:38.02 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: try instructions from there. |
| 08:38.11 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: umm i think i got it i used aptitude |
| 08:38.11 | DeZ_666 | I dont because I want new stuff |
| 08:38.18 | DeZ_666 | im upgrading my kernel |
| 08:38.24 | th0rv4ld | brb |
| 08:38.34 | DeZ_666 | and im not really sure, but i dont think using the cd is a good idea for that |
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| 08:39.11 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: umm nvm it didnt install correctly not found |
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| 08:39.28 | adrakoa | hi |
| 08:39.36 | darkbahamut | unwise: what version of linux do you use? |
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| 08:40.32 | DeZ_666 | K i just commented the line dalias, it didnt ask for the CD |
| 08:41.07 | eth01 | no web-caches? |
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| 08:41.55 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Instructions here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
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| 08:44.50 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: did you get that post? |
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| 08:46.34 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: im following it now :D |
| 08:46.52 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: No guarantees, but make sure you have the right windows drivers |
| 08:47.03 | th0rv4ld | !configure kdm |
| 08:47.20 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i need to get the windows drivers? |
| 08:47.52 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: according to gentoo-wiki, for most broadcom NICs you need the windows drivers |
| 08:48.11 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: will a .exe work? |
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| 08:48.38 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Probably not. You need the individual files. .dll |
| 08:49.00 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Do you have a Dell? |
| 08:49.05 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: HP |
| 08:49.23 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: apt-get install wine |
| 08:49.30 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i have a windows partition, i have dual boot |
| 08:49.54 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Then run the .exe in windows, and get the drivers after it extracts. |
| 08:49.57 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: whats wine? |
| 08:50.11 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Lets you run windows apps in linux |
| 08:50.16 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: cool |
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| 08:50.54 | th0rv4ld | It won't let you run the drivers that way. |
| 08:51.11 | th0rv4ld | Go to your windows partition in linux, and find the driver files after you unzip them. |
| 08:51.19 | th0rv4ld | Then copy them to the linux partition. |
| 08:51.27 | th0rv4ld | You might have to apt-get install ntfs-tools |
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| 08:52.27 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: im almost done installing ndiswrapper if it will work |
| 08:52.51 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: if the install will work* im trying now |
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| 08:53.12 | th0rv4ld | apt-get install ntfs-tools anyway. You will need it to make changes to your ntfs partition (deleting files, adding them, etc) |
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| 08:53.24 | th0rv4ld | brb |
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| 08:54.46 | th0rv4ld | back |
| 08:55.05 | th0rv4ld | !configure th0rv4ld |
| 08:55.10 | th0rv4ld | mmm... all better |
| 08:55.30 | darkbahamut | wb |
| 08:55.35 | darkbahamut | what did you just do? |
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| 08:56.29 | th0rv4ld | gah... sorry. I died again. |
| 08:56.30 | darkbahamut | wb th0rv4ld |
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| 08:56.47 | dto | hello. |
| 08:56.52 | DeZ_666 | haha. kernel configuring is confusing XD |
| 08:56.54 | darkbahamut | hi dto |
| 08:57.22 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: im at the part i need apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 but its not found |
| 08:57.24 | dto | i installed emacs from cvs on my debian system. how can i get its info documentation to show up? it doesn't show up in the info shell command, or in emacs M-x info |
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| 08:59.34 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: ill brb gonna get the files |
| 09:01.05 | vbgunz | anyone know of a good non biased page about the differences between Ubuntu and Debian? I |
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| 09:01.22 | vbgunz | also, does Debian work with ralink2500 wireless cards? |
| 09:01.26 | dalias | i think you're unlikely to find it |
| 09:01.48 | dalias | the ubuntu fanatics will have their fanboi crap |
| 09:01.50 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: I've used both, and I've found Debian to be more stable, more powerful, and to have more functionality. |
| 09:02.06 | dalias | and the sane people will all see how lame ubuntu is |
| 09:02.23 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: Ubuntu is made off of a snapshot of Debian Unstable every six months. |
| 09:02.24 | DeZ_666 | i didnt like ubuntu when i had it |
| 09:02.29 | dalias | i would characterize this dichotomy not as ubuntu fans vs debian fans |
| 09:02.34 | DeZ_666 | i had ubuntu fiesty fawn |
| 09:02.43 | dalias | but rather as ubuntu fans vs non-fans |
| 09:02.56 | vbgunz | I have used Ubuntu for over 2 years... nothing else really. the bugs though and the instability in the latest Kubuntu 7.10 got me looking for a solid Debian based distribution or Debian itself |
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| 09:03.12 | Aciid | debian rox |
| 09:03.16 | Aciid | :) |
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| 09:03.26 | vbgunz | truth is, the only app that got me wanting debian is apt-get |
| 09:03.27 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: I've used Ubuntu dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy, Xubuntu dapper, feisty, and gutsy, and Kubuntu dapper, feisty, and gutsy. |
| 09:03.33 | DeZ_666 | haha vbgunz |
| 09:03.43 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: I now use debian etch (stable) |
| 09:03.46 | Aciid | yea aptitude is too slow :) |
| 09:04.11 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: 'nuff said. |
| 09:04.28 | vbgunz | 2 things though got me hooked to Ubuntu. 1. it picks up my wireless card just great where other live CDs fail :( I have a wack card |
| 09:04.32 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils |
| 09:04.54 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: if that doesn't work, apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 09:05.05 | vbgunz | the second thing is, I like (the idea (not the bugs)) behind the latest software... how do you guys do it? |
| 09:05.20 | vbgunz | I mean Debian is basically running on older versions of everything no? |
| 09:05.41 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: no. Ubuntu is running on older versions, but they are unstable older versions. |
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| 09:06.00 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: Debian Stable is older, but it's stable. |
| 09:06.19 | th0rv4ld | If you want fast updates, use Ubuntu. If you want stability, use Debian. |
| 09:06.23 | vbgunz | for the first time in 2 years I am seriously considering old and stable over new and buggy :( |
| 09:06.27 | th0rv4ld | Anything Ubuntu can do, Debian does better. |
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| 09:06.48 | th0rv4ld | Ubuntu, MEPIS, and Linspire/Freespire are based off of Debian. |
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| 09:07.07 | th0rv4ld | Debian can be a little less user-friendly, but it is much more rewarding in the long run. |
| 09:07.25 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: ok i got the files :D |
| 09:07.33 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils and if that doesn't work, apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
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| 09:07.52 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: then continue with the instructions. |
| 09:08.02 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i did that b4 i loged off |
| 09:08.10 | th0rv4ld | Good. |
| 09:08.13 | th0rv4ld | So keep working. |
| 09:08.15 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i had to use aptitude |
| 09:08.22 | th0rv4ld | I'm still trying to fix my fucking DPI. |
| 09:08.27 | th0rv4ld | !fuck |
| 09:08.27 | dpkg | i heard fuck is cool |
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| 09:08.37 | darkbahamut | lol |
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| 09:08.44 | darkbahamut | !o.O |
| 09:08.52 | darkbahamut | !lol |
| 09:08.52 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 09:08.59 | th0rv4ld | !fail darkbahamut |
| 09:09.06 | th0rv4ld | !configure darkbahamut |
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| 09:09.39 | darkbahamut | hmm |
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| 09:10.49 | th0rv4ld | Is anyone else in here running KDE? |
| 09:12.01 | et | i bet many are |
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| 09:12.02 | maltepopalte | hi |
| 09:12.02 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: damm.. i wish i could help but i know nothing about linux as i just started =/ |
| 09:12.44 | th0rv4ld | Not a problem, dude. |
| 09:13.12 | th0rv4ld | I'm just tired of a font that's smaller than a TV pixel |
| 09:13.13 | th0rv4ld | lol |
| 09:13.13 | vbgunz | etch is stable? |
| 09:13.18 | th0rv4ld | Yes, it is. |
| 09:13.41 | th0rv4ld | !cry |
| 09:13.46 | th0rv4ld | !die |
| 09:13.46 | dpkg | I'll murder you th0rv4ld! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
| 09:14.03 | th0rv4ld | !kick dpkg |
| 09:14.06 | maltepopalte | I have an onboard soundcard and one on an pci slot. I deactivated the onboard sound but linux still loads the driver and finds it. I tried to blacklist the module, but in blacklist file there is a comment which says, that only modules which are loaded by hotplug are affected. how can I blacklist the module, so that it wont load on startup? |
| 09:14.19 | simonrvn | stop abusing the bot |
| 09:14.30 | darkbahamut | !slap |
| 09:14.34 | darkbahamut | ahh it dont work |
| 09:14.38 | darkbahamut | wait |
| 09:14.44 | th0rv4ld | !kick simonrvn |
| 09:14.47 | eth01 | !webmin |
| 09:14.47 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 09:14.48 | darkbahamut | !slap dpkg |
| 09:14.49 | th0rv4ld | There. Now I'm abusing you. |
| 09:14.56 | darkbahamut | lol |
| 09:14.56 | vbgunz | am gonna try the KDE live cd of etch. hopefully it'll pick up my wireless card. |
| 09:15.20 | eth01 | good for you. |
| 09:15.21 | th0rv4ld | There is no KDE liveCD of etch, is there? |
| 09:15.23 | simonrvn | moron |
| 09:15.40 | vbgunz | I am getting it from here http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/20070716/i386/ |
| 09:16.05 | vbgunz | btw, no significant difference between the img and iso, correct/ |
| 09:16.13 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone help me w/ building my kernel? Im following http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch and am at 2.6, but one of the .deb files wasnt there.. |
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| 09:17.02 | th0rv4ld | iso is a cd image file. |
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| 09:17.09 | th0rv4ld | You can burn it directly to a CD. |
| 09:17.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got a question |
| 09:17.25 | DeZ_666 | Well ask it then? |
| 09:17.30 | DeZ_666 | Unless you have something to hide? |
| 09:17.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it possible to give a virtual machine complete control over a USB device? |
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| 09:21.16 | vbgunz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.34 | DeZ_666 | http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 09:21.40 | DeZ_666 | eeerrrr |
| 09:21.45 | DeZ_666 | sry wrong link haha |
| 09:21.53 | th0rv4ld | brb |
| 09:22.39 | vbgunz | that link sounds real good too. I mean, I would like the latest kernel and de. is this pushing it OR should I just go unstable? |
| 09:23.04 | DeZ_666 | vbgunz: im using that guide |
| 09:23.11 | DeZ_666 | but one of the .deb files didnt appear and idk why |
| 09:23.13 | DeZ_666 | and it worries me |
| 09:23.22 | maltepopalte | how can I blacklist a module so that it wont load on startup? |
| 09:23.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.25 | eth01 | how can i unzip a .deb ? |
| 09:24.56 | adrakoa | dpkg --help | grep unpack |
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| 09:25.11 | eth01 | eh |
| 09:25.12 | simonrvn | it's not zipped; man dpkg; look for -x, or use --unpack |
| 09:25.25 | adrakoa | how can i unavi the people? |
| 09:25.32 | maltepopalte | Dark_Apostrophe it still loads the module |
| 09:25.32 | eth01 | dpkg -x axigen-5.0.0.i386.deb.tar.gz |
| 09:25.34 | eth01 | correct? |
| 09:25.36 | maltepopalte | Dark_Apostrophe # to load them. It does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel. |
| 09:25.45 | simonrvn | uh what? |
| 09:25.45 | zeeble | eth01: yes. or use ar with x |
| 09:25.46 | vbgunz | DeZ_666: do you have a guide for getting the latest KDE on etch? |
| 09:25.50 | adrakoa | eth01: tar -xvzf eth01 |
| 09:25.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | maltepopalte: :/ |
| 09:25.56 | vbgunz | I'd appreciate it :) |
| 09:26.00 | DeZ_666 | Nope |
| 09:26.13 | DeZ_666 | im a linux nub, i dont have the faintest idea |
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| 09:26.35 | vbgunz | ahh, I see. thats cool :) |
| 09:26.53 | DeZ_666 | Why do you think im worried over my kernel i just compiled |
| 09:26.54 | darkbahamut | brb |
| 09:27.01 | DeZ_666 | theres a file missing and i have no clue why or what to do |
| 09:27.25 | bytekode | the NSA is now in your machine |
| 09:27.38 | DeZ_666 | OHNOEZ. |
| 09:27.40 | DeZ_666 | !NSA |
| 09:27.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nsa is No Such Agency (aka. National Security Agency). See Bamford's book, _The Puzzle Palace_ |
| 09:27.43 | DeZ_666 | Haha |
| 09:27.46 | reto_ | hmm, I can't find the guidline which descriptes which urgency has to be used for what problem. |
| 09:27.53 | bytekode | ;p |
| 09:27.56 | reto_ | describes |
| 09:28.18 | eth01 | now I have this - axigen_5.0.0-1_i386.deb ... |
| 09:28.43 | bytekode | now dpkg -x |
| 09:29.02 | yang | I am trying to start asterisk by executing /etc/init.d/asterisk start .... it says starting, but after theat i cannot see it in the background...If I start it manually "asterisk -vvvc" it binds well...? |
| 09:29.06 | eth01 | dpkg-deb: --extract needs a target directory. Perhaps you should be using dpkg --install ? |
| 09:30.02 | tralala | yang, have you seen the README yet? |
| 09:30.38 | th0rv4ld | eth01: easier way: Open the file in X. You can automatically install it. |
| 09:30.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it possible to give a virtual machine complete control over a USB device? |
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| 09:31.43 | eth01 | Package libstdc++5 is not installed. ?!?! |
| 09:31.52 | simonrvn | eth01: mkdir foo; dpkg -x foo.deb foo |
| 09:32.06 | simonrvn | man dpkg ... |
| 09:32.12 | eth01 | i've done that, now. |
| 09:32.29 | th0rv4ld | apt-get install libstdc++5 |
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| 09:32.41 | eth01 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try âapt-get -f installâ with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 09:32.57 | th0rv4ld | brb |
| 09:33.05 | eth01 | no idea why it's using weird letters either . |
| 09:33.15 | et | that's a locale thing |
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| 09:33.40 | reto_ | I can't find the guidline which describes which urgency has to be used for what problem. Where can I find that? |
| 09:33.41 | Rv | hi |
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| 09:34.18 | th0rv4ld | back, I guess. |
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| 09:34.34 | Rv | i try to apt-get install apache-ssl and i got this error: dpkg: error processing apache-ssl (--configure): |
| 09:34.34 | Rv | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.02 | eth01 | http://pastebin.com/m8e9db1e, eh?!?! |
| 09:35.48 | th0rv4ld | rv: try apt-get -f install |
| 09:35.57 | th0rv4ld | You might have somehting else blocking it. |
| 09:36.24 | eth01 | i've tried it with force. |
| 09:36.26 | eth01 | still the same issue. |
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| 09:36.50 | neotic | which package do you need for mysqldump? |
| 09:37.01 | th0rv4ld | eth01: just a sec |
| 09:37.04 | liable | neotic: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:37.21 | eth01 | k |
| 09:37.30 | th0rv4ld | apt-get install gcc-3.3-base |
| 09:37.43 | th0rv4ld | then apt-get install libstdc++5 |
| 09:37.52 | DeZ_666 | grrrr stupid networking |
| 09:37.55 | yang | tralala: Running |
| 09:37.57 | yang | as root is disabled in /etc/init.d/asterisk for security reasons. |
| 09:38.00 | eth01 | http://pastebin.com/m15d6c4c1 |
| 09:38.00 | Rv | th0rv4ld, same error |
| 09:38.01 | DeZ_666 | i hate /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:38.18 | yang | tralala: so i must su - asterisk and then /etc/init.d/asterisk start ? |
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| 09:38.39 | th0rv4ld | yang: No. It means you cannot run it as root. |
| 09:38.46 | tralala | yang, you must follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/asterisk |
| 09:38.49 | th0rv4ld | yang: try running it as a limited user. |
| 09:39.13 | yang | th0rv4ld: hmmm |
| 09:39.16 | yang | limited? |
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| 09:39.27 | th0rv4ld | yang: Just a normal account. |
| 09:39.40 | th0rv4ld | yang: Not root. |
| 09:39.45 | th0rv4ld | !root |
| 09:39.45 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 09:39.48 | yang | th0rv4ld: by doing "asterisk -vc" from the asterisk account? |
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| 09:40.23 | th0rv4ld | yang: Are you logged in as root right now? |
| 09:40.37 | yang | th0rv4ld: usually programs are started by root by /etc/init.d/program start, i wonder why here is different |
| 09:40.39 | plm156 | if i have an amd64 installation , do i need to specify at sources.list the arch ? , i have a fresh install and a lot of unmet dependencies that need apt-get -f install (and then things like libc6 are starting to download) |
| 09:40.53 | yang | th0rv4ld: yes i am |
| 09:41.03 | th0rv4ld | yang: Log out and then log in as a user. |
| 09:41.12 | wols_ | !tell plm156 about bat |
| 09:41.25 | th0rv4ld | yang: then run your program |
| 09:41.31 | th0rv4ld | eth01: How's it coming? |
| 09:41.35 | wols_ | plm156: and you don't |
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| 09:42.16 | plm156 | wols_, ok |
| 09:42.30 | yang | th0rv4ld: i cannot run it as user asterisk - asterisk:x:106:112:Asterisk PBX daemon,,,:/var/lib/asterisk:/bin/false |
| 09:42.33 | eth01 | th0r: http://pastebin.com/m15d6c4c1 |
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| 09:42.45 | th0rv4ld | yang: hmm. |
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| 09:42.55 | eth01 | :( |
| 09:42.57 | darkbahamut | hi everyone |
| 09:42.59 | Thor__ | The San Diego fires were the work of illegal aliens hellbent on destroying the gay niggger ghetto. "Pennisbird watched with horror as 6 nigggher faggs burnt to death, leaving their black smooth muscular bodies motionless in a puddle of gay nigggher seemen with their oiled frizzy hair up in smoke. United GNAA releif fund is curently paying for his therapy", said GNAA President Timecop |
| 09:42.59 | Thor__ | Gay niggger Commandos in response are raiding migrant camps just south of LA, filling wetback anuses with rich foamy nigggger spooge. GNAA won't be nobody's fool. Lt Col CunntSlime, spokesnighhgger for GNAA special ops declined to comment on exact location or future plans. "All further questions are to be directed to DiKKy, our Norwegian field marshall", said CunntSlime. "We will avenge this Jew-funded wetback attack |
| 09:43.07 | zeeble | .. |
| 09:43.13 | *** part/#debian Thor__ (n=ElViking@201.160.163.127.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 09:43.14 | wols_ | !ops Thor__ is a troll |
| 09:43.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: Thor__ is a troll |
| 09:43.15 | liable | !ops Thor__ troll |
| 09:43.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: Thor__ troll |
| 09:43.18 | darkbahamut | no one knows anything about how to fix acpi do they? |
| 09:43.30 | th0rv4ld | eth0: That bad, hmm? |
| 09:43.34 | eth01 | yup. |
| 09:43.34 | wols_ | darkbahamut: what kernels did you try? |
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| 09:43.43 | *** kick/#debian [th0rv4ld!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-44-7.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
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| 09:43.48 | azeem | bah |
| 09:43.52 | liable | oops |
| 09:43.53 | liable | :) |
| 09:43.56 | eth01 | o0 |
| 09:44.04 | azeem | I shouldn't ban before lunch |
| 09:44.06 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm... ?? |
| 09:44.08 | liable | he left before i realised too :) |
| 09:44.09 | wols_ | azeem: you just fucked up :P |
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| 09:44.29 | eth01 | meh |
| 09:44.37 | wols_ | !coffee azeem |
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| 09:44.45 | darkbahamut | wols_: i dont really understand what kernal is rly |
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| 09:44.53 | wols_ | !kernel |
| 09:44.55 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.23.8, prepatch: 2.6.24-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.24-rc3-git1, 2.4: 2.4.35.4, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.24-rc2-mm1 |
| 09:44.58 | azeem | th0rv4ld: oops, sorry |
| 09:45.07 | wols_ | darkbahamut: linux is your kernel |
| 09:45.14 | darkbahamut | wols_: o |
| 09:45.21 | zeeble | :) |
| 09:45.23 | azeem | wols_: well, you invoked !ops *after* the guy had left already :P |
| 09:45.29 | darkbahamut | wols_: debian etch is the first and only ive tried |
| 09:45.31 | ndee | hi there, I try to mount a folder thru sshfs with following command sshfs host:/directory . I submit the correct password but then it tells me "remote host has disconnected", what could that be? |
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| 09:45.44 | wols_ | azeem: give me faster finger and I type faster :) |
| 09:45.50 | yang | tralala: i read the /usr/share/doc/asterisk/README.Debian |
| 09:45.59 | th0rv4ld | That's what I get for having a name that gets stolen by white supremacists. |
| 09:46.02 | yang | tralala: but I still don't understand how it must be started |
| 09:46.24 | th0rv4ld | Damn white supremacists using my name after I was born with it. |
| 09:46.25 | liable | th0rv4ld: nah, just the next one that matches in an irssi tab |
| 09:46.25 | wols_ | darkbahamut: try a newer, backports kernel |
| 09:46.28 | yang | tralala: asterisk shell is /bin/false |
| 09:46.30 | wols_ | !tell darkbahamut about backports |
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| 09:47.07 | th0rv4ld | I mean, I hate jews as much as the next guy... lmfao J/K |
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| 09:47.41 | eth01 | th0r: http://pastebin.com/m15d6c4c1 |
| 09:47.47 | th0rv4ld | Honestly, though, some of my best ashtrays are filled with them. :-P |
| 09:47.54 | th0rv4ld | eth01: just a sec. |
| 09:48.12 | darkbahamut | wols_: this may take a while.. brb |
| 09:48.20 | th0rv4ld | apt-get -f install then, dude |
| 09:48.36 | eth01 | i've tried, no luck. |
| 09:48.54 | th0rv4ld | you tried just "apt-get -f install"? |
| 09:48.59 | th0rv4ld | nothing else? |
| 09:49.06 | wols_ | eth01: what debian are you running? |
| 09:49.17 | eth01 | ah, apt-get -f install seemed to work fine. |
| 09:49.30 | eth01 | odd. |
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| 09:50.22 | Tadas15854 | <Tadas> Is there any irc bot created that could control my computer with CLI commands (shell imitation in chat)? I want to control my computer through irc... |
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| 09:50.52 | th0rv4ld | Yeah. |
| 09:51.06 | th0rv4ld | When you don't specify packages, is when to do it. |
| 09:51.57 | Eclipser | how would I create a complete list of recursive dependancies for a package? |
| 09:52.15 | azeem | apt-cache rdepends |
| 09:52.32 | Eclipser | isn't that a reverse dependancy info |
| 09:52.34 | azeem | Eclipser: though I'm not sure, that might include conflicts and/or recommends (though I doubt the latter) |
| 09:52.47 | azeem | Eclipser: what do you mean with recursive depends? |
| 09:52.59 | azeem | Eclipser: I don't think that's easily possible |
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| 09:53.08 | azeem | you'd need to graph the Packages file or something I guess |
| 09:53.10 | Eclipser | azeem, a package depends on some other package, I want to also know what packages those dependancies depend on |
| 09:53.20 | th0rv4ld | AHH! I JUST DID DPKG-RECONFIGURE -A!!! |
| 09:53.25 | bytekode | . |
| 09:53.38 | th0rv4ld | WHY ME?!? |
| 09:53.49 | wols_ | th0rv4ld: fix your keyboard please |
| 09:53.52 | bytekode | /bin/rm is the only solution now :) |
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| 09:54.28 | th0rv4ld | It was fixed. I was screaming for dear life. |
| 09:55.20 | darkbahamut | wols_: howcome it says E: Unable to find a source package for package when i do apt-get source package? |
| 09:55.42 | eth01 | no idea. |
| 09:55.44 | wols_ | darkbahamut: missing deb-src lines |
| 09:55.46 | th0rv4ld | Wow. I am truly impressed. I must now purchase a shark steam mop due to its l33t cleaning power. </monotone> |
| 09:56.01 | darkbahamut | wols_: i added what it told me to add |
| 09:56.05 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: which package? |
| 09:56.05 | vbgunz | I just tried the debian live cd. it does not find my wireless card. can someone help me get info about my card? I am currently in Kubuntu |
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| 09:56.24 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: lspci |
| 09:56.26 | wols_ | darkbahamut: you don't need any deb-src line for backports.org |
| 09:56.30 | Rv | anyone can tell me how to update debconf? |
| 09:56.40 | wols_ | vbgunz: lspci |
| 09:56.49 | vbgunz | Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 09:56.57 | wols_ | Rv: with aptittude like any other package |
| 09:57.04 | vbgunz | thats my wireless card. is there aa place to get a deb for it? |
| 09:57.13 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: Let me check |
| 09:57.34 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:57.40 | wols_ | !tell vbgunz about search |
| 09:57.49 | wols_ | vbgunz: search for rt2500 |
| 09:57.50 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
| 09:58.05 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: You will have to install Debian first. |
| 09:58.43 | th0rv4ld | eth01: Got it working, yet? |
| 09:58.49 | plm156 | i have problem to install packages at a fresh amd64 sid install http://paste.debian.net/42863 |
| 09:58.56 | darkbahamut | wols_: ill try a different site then |
| 09:59.02 | vbgunz | I don't want to install Debian just yet. I want to try it out but make sure I can get my wireless card working in it. was hoping I could find a deb :) |
| 09:59.06 | th0rv4ld | omg... I just put my head on a pillow, and my neck cracked. |
| 09:59.08 | vbgunz | I'll check that link |
| 09:59.23 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: step-by-step instructions to get it to work on debian are on that page. |
| 09:59.39 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: You will just need to stay wired for a little while while you set it up. |
| 09:59.44 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: it will work. |
| 09:59.50 | vbgunz | th0rv4ld: heh, without an internet connection, how am I to connect to the internet to make those instructions work :) |
| 10:00.06 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: Plug an ethernet cable into your ethernet port. |
| 10:00.14 | th0rv4ld | !derp |
| 10:00.15 | vbgunz | th0rv4ld: thats the thing, I am quite a distance away from it. it's not gonna happen :( |
| 10:00.20 | DeZ_666 | !fbi |
| 10:00.20 | dpkg | methinks fbi is the Federal Bureau of Investigation, or the frame buffer image viewer |
| 10:00.24 | DeZ_666 | :O |
| 10:00.30 | DeZ_666 | ORLYNAO |
| 10:00.36 | th0rv4ld | !enlarge penis |
| 10:00.48 | DeZ_666 | !slap th0rv4ld |
| 10:01.00 | th0rv4ld | DeZ_666: Anonymous is Legion. |
| 10:01.19 | DeZ_666 | What? |
| 10:01.23 | th0rv4ld | Nevermind. |
| 10:01.25 | th0rv4ld | lol |
| 10:01.30 | DeZ_666 | Ok :) |
| 10:01.36 | th0rv4ld | Thought from the ORLYNAO that you were a /b/tard |
| 10:01.40 | wols_ | darkbahamut: what did you try exactly? |
| 10:01.59 | DeZ_666 | heh ive never been to /b/ or 4chan for that matter |
| 10:02.11 | DeZ_666 | but ive picked up on their..habits.. |
| 10:02.25 | th0rv4ld | According to this infomercial, 90% of women are not satisfied with the size of their partner. |
| 10:02.35 | DeZ_666 | haha what the hell |
| 10:02.40 | th0rv4ld | I'm in the 10% that have always satisfied both women. |
| 10:02.42 | th0rv4ld | lmao |
| 10:02.42 | jelly | th0rv4ld: could you stop with the crap, please? |
| 10:02.49 | DeZ_666 | !cut the crap |
| 10:02.53 | DeZ_666 | :O NICE. |
| 10:03.08 | DeZ_666 | that made me lol. |
| 10:03.14 | th0rv4ld | OMG... People only respond in this thread if you troll. |
| 10:03.20 | th0rv4ld | That's how IRC works. |
| 10:03.30 | clamiax | bbiab |
| 10:03.34 | jelly | *plonk* |
| 10:03.37 | th0rv4ld | Either ignored or /ignored |
| 10:03.40 | th0rv4ld | lol |
| 10:03.40 | DeZ_666 | i agree :/ you should see the other network im on |
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| 10:04.03 | DeZ_666 | th0rv4ld: http://qdb.wargaming.org/?latest |
| 10:04.06 | DeZ_666 | I am Anger :( |
| 10:04.09 | vbgunz | I am on Kubuntu. I could perhaps build the ralink 2500 wireless deb here and hope it works in Debian? nothing wrong with hope huh :P |
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| 10:04.24 | clamiax | re |
| 10:04.35 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: Just do it on debian. Sacrifice your router for a little while and plug into the network. |
| 10:04.53 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: That's what I did. |
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| 10:05.02 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm. it says i need to choose a backport package? |
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| 10:05.10 | vbgunz | th0rv4ld: heh, I am on wireless for a reason. I do not have a 50+ foot cable atm :) |
| 10:05.12 | plm156 | wols_, it is an amd64 sid http://paste.debian.net/42863 , any hint ? |
| 10:05.24 | th0rv4ld | Anyone in here know how i can change my dpi in KDE? |
| 10:06.29 | th0rv4ld | over comcast. ^_^ |
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| 10:07.19 | vbgunz | I downloaded the debian live cd at 800kb steady over wireless. the ralink source if available. why is it not included with Debian by default? |
| 10:07.19 | th0rv4ld | Comcast forges packets to prevent you from getting torrents. |
| 10:07.19 | wols_ | th0rv4ld: why would you? use drxx |
| 10:07.20 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: because it doesn't comply with debian-legal standards. |
| 10:07.40 | DeZ_666 | th0rv4ld: what are you talking about? i get torrents fine over comcast.. |
| 10:07.48 | wols_ | DeZ_666: read the news |
| 10:07.54 | th0rv4ld | Comcast has been forging packets in some states. |
| 10:08.04 | DeZ_666 | Hmm. I wasn't aware |
| 10:08.08 | darkbahamut | wols_: how do i choose a package or know what to choose? |
| 10:08.10 | vbgunz | oh, another thing. what is the Debian live cd password for KDE su? |
| 10:08.13 | th0rv4ld | Enough states for it to be a felony in nine of them. |
| 10:08.14 | wols_ | th0rv4ld: you set your screen resolution and your monitor size |
| 10:08.17 | wols_ | rest should be automatic |
| 10:08.40 | th0rv4ld | wols_: My DPI is set to 75. It's not automatic. |
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| 10:08.57 | darkbahamut | Unwise: hey unwise welcome back |
| 10:09.14 | DeZ_666 | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/14/2330202 |
| 10:09.25 | Unwise | darkbahamut: hey - what time is it there? |
| 10:09.34 | vbgunz | what wireless cards work excellent in Debian out of the box? |
| 10:09.34 | wols_ | th0rv4ld: it is. screen res and monitor size define it |
| 10:09.41 | darkbahamut | Unwise: woa i didnt even notice the time lol |
| 10:10.03 | darkbahamut | Unwise: its 12:11 pm |
| 10:10.17 | DeZ_666 | Lies, its 2:11am |
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| 10:10.27 | Unwise | darkbahamut: where are you? |
| 10:10.33 | darkbahamut | Unwise: hawaii |
| 10:10.52 | Unwise | darkbahamut: forgot - I'm in Thailand |
| 10:10.59 | th0rv4ld | wols, dude, my screen resolution is 1400X1050 on a 14 inch screen. My DPI should be at least 90 |
| 10:11.08 | darkbahamut | Unwise: ahh |
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| 10:11.26 | wols_ | th0rv4ld: did you tell drxx about screensize? |
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| 10:11.38 | darkbahamut | Unwise: so you dont know much about the us? |
| 10:11.40 | th0rv4ld | vbgunz: I don't think any do. Just take my advice. Wire into the network for the hour it takes to install and set it up. |
| 10:12.01 | th0rv4ld | drxx? |
| 10:12.03 | Unwise | darkbahamut: I was raised in Chicago.. |
| 10:12.05 | wols_ | !drxx |
| 10:12.05 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 10:12.14 | darkbahamut | Unwise: ahh i see lol |
| 10:12.20 | wols_ | and have 100dpi fonts installed of course |
| 10:12.29 | vbgunz | th0rv4ld: I hear you. I am not trying to be stupid. just atm, its virtually impossible for me to do so. trust me, I would |
| 10:12.32 | darkbahamut | Unwise: i was born and raised in hawaii |
| 10:12.37 | darkbahamut | Unwise: it really sux |
| 10:12.49 | th0rv4ld | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not allow me to chose a dpi |
| 10:13.26 | Unwise | darkbahamut: don't know about that... any luck so far with you box? |
| 10:13.50 | darkbahamut | Unwise: no luck yet |
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| 10:14.15 | darkbahamut | Unwise: wols_ told me to try backport |
| 10:14.32 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Are you still trying to get a bootsplash? |
| 10:14.33 | darkbahamut | Unwise: im stuck though it says to choose a package |
| 10:14.49 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: ? |
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| 10:15.20 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i wasent trying to get bootsplash? |
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| 10:15.44 | vbgunz | does debhelper and module-assistant ship on the debian live cd by default? |
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| 10:15.50 | somian | greets again folks |
| 10:15.53 | DeZ_666 | Hi |
| 10:16.07 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: sorry. I've been up too long. |
| 10:16.12 | Unwise | darkbahamut: I'm out of date with what you're trying to do: please update me |
| 10:16.27 | somian | I've got no DNS and therefor no HTTP -- only thing working is this IRC connection to freenode. |
| 10:16.46 | th0rv4ld | brb |
| 10:17.02 | darkbahamut | Unwise: acpi is broken o.O |
| 10:17.13 | somian | Any chance someone could lend me a hand with a publicly accessible DNS server IP that I can plug into my router until my ISP (RoadRunner) gets around to fixing its servers? |
| 10:17.16 | darkbahamut | Unwise: need to find some way to update or repair it |
| 10:17.32 | Unwise | darkbahamut: machine spec again? |
| 10:17.33 | Ronin | somian: opendns |
| 10:17.34 | darkbahamut | Unwise: i was told to update my kernal |
| 10:17.45 | somian | I cannot resolve that from here, Ronin |
| 10:17.49 | darkbahamut | Unwise: lspci? |
| 10:17.50 | somian | As I just explained. |
| 10:17.59 | Unwise | darkbahamut: model number |
| 10:18.18 | darkbahamut | Unwise: HP Pavilion dv6040us |
| 10:18.26 | Ronin | ya and if you give me a second somian |
| 10:18.32 | somian | Cool ;-) |
| 10:18.32 | darkbahamut | Unwise: its not on the list of laptops its like an oddball |
| 10:18.49 | Unwise | darkbahamut: 'k I'll look it up - brb |
| 10:19.05 | Ronin | Our nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. |
| 10:19.27 | ccamacho | I am trying to follow some acpi events on my Debian Sid x86; but acpi_listen reports nothing and I don't event have the file /var/log/acpi... any idea about what's going on? |
| 10:19.28 | somian | Let me try plugging those in, brb |
| 10:19.50 | DeZ_666 | I hear 4.2.2.1-4.2.2.6 are the best DNS servers.. |
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| 10:20.38 | darkbahamut | wols_: hey wols |
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| 10:21.32 | dbmoodb | hello i am having an problem with my old inspiron dell laptop .... it would seem that it is not managing its temperature properly and is having i/o errors after a few days up time |
| 10:21.54 | dbmoodb | --- when it does stop working i can ssh in but ls does not work |
| 10:22.03 | dbmoodb | ls - just for an example of a command |
| 10:22.45 | ccamacho | my kernel is 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:24.32 | somian | Rats. Ronin, thanks, that was a genuine kindness but there is apparently something else wrong. Still not getting DNS resolution. Not via http nor with ping. |
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| 10:24.45 | somian | Thank you for helping though. |
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| 10:25.07 | indraveni | hi all |
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| 10:25.23 | indraveni | can some one tell me any device monitoring application |
| 10:25.30 | indraveni | something like a device manager in windows |
| 10:25.32 | Unwise | darkbahamut: check this link out: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/60673-debian-amd-turion-64-a.html - I think you may need to be with an amd-64 install to make it work well. |
| 10:25.34 | somian | gkrellm (sp?) |
| 10:25.48 | indraveni | i want ti have logs for the devices are are plugged into the system |
| 10:25.48 | somian | That was for indraveni |
| 10:25.57 | wols_ | indraveni: lspci |
| 10:25.59 | Internat | so this is probably a noob question.. but i have a script premade by someone that i cant change.. that when run prompts for a few things. so 3 inputs to which a user types something and presses enter to. in a bash/shell/x script.. whats the easiest way to automate passing those commands |
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| 10:26.24 | dbmoodb | ok so no answer ... |
| 10:26.25 | th0rv4ld | I need to go to bed. |
| 10:26.30 | th0rv4ld | Goodnight, everyone. |
| 10:26.41 | th0rv4ld | I think I increased my DPI. |
| 10:26.47 | wols_ | Unwise: why would amd64 be needed? |
| 10:26.50 | indraveni | I want to have a log for checking at what time , which client inserted which device |
| 10:27.05 | wols_ | indraveni: do already do. it's called your kernel log |
| 10:27.07 | indraveni | I want to maintain a client server environment here |
| 10:27.11 | th0rv4ld | At least my Karamba widgets are all slightly farther away from the edge of my screen. |
| 10:27.13 | th0rv4ld | >< |
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| 10:27.18 | th0rv4ld | Maybe I decreased it. |
| 10:27.25 | th0rv4ld | I didn't notice a change in text size. |
| 10:27.29 | th0rv4ld | No big deal. |
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| 10:27.44 | Unwise | wols_: he's running on an amd64 turion |
| 10:28.19 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone tell me how to get new screensavers on debian :D |
| 10:28.50 | darkbahamut | it was not my choice to install i386 version |
| 10:28.51 | wols_ | Unwise: and? |
| 10:28.51 | th0rv4ld | dez: gnome or KDE? |
| 10:28.57 | DeZ_666 | gnome |
| 10:28.57 | darkbahamut | someone recommended it to me |
| 10:29.13 | darkbahamut | i gave my full specs first |
| 10:29.16 | th0rv4ld | http://www.gnome-look.org |
| 10:29.22 | wols_ | darkbahamut: have you been at backports.org yet? |
| 10:29.34 | sep | DeZ_666, woudnt it be better to let the monitor go to suspend and same a little power, and a few trees, then to display pointless grafhics that nobody is going to watch in the first place ? |
| 10:29.41 | darkbahamut | wols_: it says i need to choose a package |
| 10:29.45 | sep | s/same/save/ |
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| 10:29.48 | Unwise | wols_: the acpi should work with that kernel |
| 10:30.00 | th0rv4ld | I also recommend http://www.ubuntusatanic.org |
| 10:30.00 | wols_ | Unwise: why? |
| 10:30.08 | th0rv4ld | They have a couple of interesting screensavers. |
| 10:30.19 | wols_ | what has acpi to do with registerwidth? |
| 10:30.41 | DeZ_666 | sep: i actually watch them..i would do a lot to get the many screensavers i had on mandriva.. |
| 10:30.43 | wols_ | darkbahamut: yes. a new kernel image. they're named linux-image |
| 10:30.56 | darkbahamut | wols_: i dunno what to choose when it says choose package, it dosent give me a list or anything |
| 10:31.08 | darkbahamut | wols_: o |
| 10:31.16 | wols_ | darkbahamut: it gives you a search field. you need a 2.6.22 kernel |
| 10:31.41 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm allright will look |
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| 10:33.31 | darkbahamut | wols_: i see.. ill brb |
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| 10:34.18 | dbmoodb | so can anyone give me any hints to try and fix my problem ? |
| 10:35.00 | dbmoodb | i think the box is just getting too hot ... and it is not adjusting the fans to as high as they can go |
| 10:35.37 | spectie | does anyone know where i can find a .deb of glibc-2.7-1 |
| 10:35.38 | spectie | ? |
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| 10:36.29 | Unwise | wols_: you're right, i'll sit back |
| 10:36.31 | wols_ | spectie: why would you need one? |
| 10:36.43 | spectie | locales |
| 10:36.45 | spectie | are broken |
| 10:36.46 | spectie | in unstable |
| 10:36.52 | spectie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:36.59 | wols_ | !unstable |
| 10:37.00 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 10:37.01 | spectie | its been like this for about 2 weeks |
| 10:37.09 | spectie | yes exactly wolffc |
| 10:37.11 | spectie | *wols |
| 10:37.11 | wols_ | spectie: something this easy you should be able to deal with on your own |
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| 10:37.26 | spectie | yes |
| 10:37.29 | spectie | i could |
| 10:37.33 | wols_ | spectie: apt-cache policy locales |
| 10:37.34 | spectie | i was looking |
| 10:37.36 | wols_ | what is the output? |
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| 10:37.51 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm having problem with my sound card in Debian. I have reinstalled Debian 5 times the last month duo to some testing and the sound card was only installed properly 2 times. This time I don't have sound again. Can someone help me determine the problem ? |
| 10:37.51 | spectie | let me pastebin it |
| 10:38.06 | spectie | wols_, http://www.nopaste.com/p/aRdbGoE2s |
| 10:38.11 | wols_ | Jemt: alsaconf |
| 10:38.11 | Unwise | bye, y'all |
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| 10:38.31 | wols_ | spectie: you run experimental. your own fault |
| 10:38.38 | spectie | i'm not running experimental |
| 10:38.43 | spectie | i'm running unstable |
| 10:38.46 | wols_ | !info locales |
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| 10:39.17 | simonrvn | you include experimental... </pedantic> |
| 10:39.38 | spectie | i have one sources line |
| 10:39.42 | spectie | that is unstable |
| 10:39.55 | wols_ | spectie: dpkg -l libc6. what version? |
| 10:39.55 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm do i need to use pinning and or verify the downloaded backports you can import backports.org archive’s key into apt? |
| 10:40.08 | spectie | 2.6.1-6 |
| 10:40.20 | wols_ | darkbahamut: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 10:40.31 | wols_ | spectie: then your uk mirror is busted |
| 10:40.32 | darkbahamut | wols_: im over there |
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| 10:40.37 | dworkin | is there any virtualisation software (like virtualbox) that supports 1Gbps networking? (not vmware) |
| 10:40.41 | spectie | wols_, ok |
| 10:40.42 | spectie | thanks |
| 10:40.44 | spectie | thats what i thought |
| 10:40.46 | spectie | let me try another |
| 10:40.51 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm nvm ill do it anyways |
| 10:40.57 | spectie | wols_, which do you use ? |
| 10:41.06 | wols_ | de.deban.org |
| 10:41.17 | wols_ | which has 2.6.1 as it should |
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| 10:41.26 | spectie | wols_, ok |
| 10:41.29 | spectie | i'll try that |
| 10:41.30 | spectie | thanks :) |
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| 10:42.12 | dpkg | locales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]), section libs, is standard. Version: 2.7-0exp6 (sid), Packaged size: 4333 kB, Installed size: 11196 kB |
| 10:42.38 | wols_ | dpkg: you are fucking late! |
| 10:42.38 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols_ |
| 10:42.44 | somian_ | Heh heh heh, Ronin -- rebooting the router did the trick now |
| 10:42.54 | wols_ | spectie: not to mention it seems we get a new libc6 soon. see the version |
| 10:43.37 | wols_ | spectie: we had libc6 2.6.1 for weeks not and it seems today it's updated. or debian maintainers fucked up in sid |
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| 10:43.48 | spectie | :/ |
| 10:43.58 | wols_ | spectie: lenny should still have 2.6.1 for locales. get it from there |
| 10:44.04 | wols_ | and install it with dpkg |
| 10:44.08 | spectie | hmm |
| 10:44.12 | spectie | de.debian.org |
| 10:44.15 | spectie | has the same problem |
| 10:44.18 | spectie | let me get it from lenny |
| 10:44.20 | wols_ | I just told you |
| 10:44.24 | spectie | sorry |
| 10:44.45 | spectie | i'm doing about 10 things at once and people keep asking me things and i just want this to work so i can throw another thing off my todo list |
| 10:44.53 | spectie | i'm sure you've been in a similar situation, or if not, feel lucky :) |
| 10:44.54 | g00se | Looking for a superlite browser. links/lynx don't cut it for me. Suggestions? |
| 10:45.05 | SlayerXP | g00se: telnet |
| 10:45.39 | salvin | SlayerXP, lol |
| 10:45.39 | g00se | SlayerXP: (trying to stifle laughter) |
| 10:45.54 | salvin | g00se, hexedit |
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| 10:46.17 | darkbahamut | wols_: what happens when its finished installing? do i need to restart? |
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| 10:46.55 | wols_ | darkbahamut: yes you need to reboot. your boot menu will have a new kernel |
| 10:47.09 | darkbahamut | wols_: ok brb |
| 10:47.35 | g00se | Hang on - there's links2 ... |
| 10:48.28 | Jemt | wols_, Thanks |
| 10:48.31 | Jemt | BRB |
| 10:48.41 | wols_ | g00se: dillo |
| 10:49.10 | spectie | wols_, thanks!!! it works :)) |
| 10:49.36 | g00se | wols: Thanks - shall take a look. |
| 10:49.39 | wols_ | the question remains: why do you run sidß |
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| 10:50.07 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm how can i tell if it worked? |
| 10:50.07 | Schalken | "aptitude search ~M" shows all automatically installed packages, but how do i see all manually installed packages? |
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| 10:50.53 | wols_ | darkbahamut: uname -a |
| 10:50.56 | wols_ | what kernel do you run now? |
| 10:51.17 | darkbahamut | Linux Matrix 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Tue Oct 2 23:38:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:51.34 | darkbahamut | wols_: it didnt work o.o |
| 10:51.54 | darkbahamut | wols_: or did it? |
| 10:51.57 | wols_ | do you have a 2.6.22 kernel in your boot menu? |
| 10:52.07 | darkbahamut | wols_: nope |
| 10:52.21 | wols_ | ten you haven't installed it. how did you try to isntall the new kernel? what line? |
| 10:52.25 | darkbahamut | wols_: i did everything that the guide said |
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| 10:53.16 | darkbahamut | umm 1 sec |
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| 10:54.49 | SpeedyG | hey, is there a way to lookup all ip's belonging to a certain hostname? |
| 10:55.26 | petemc | host www.google.com |
| 10:55.30 | wols_ | dig |
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| 10:55.51 | petemc | tho you wont necessarily get all.. |
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| 10:56.39 | maniacxs | hi. on a host tonight a upgrade ran. It was for following packages: "dhcp-client fetchmail file libkrb53 libmagic1 libpcre3 libperl5.8 libssl-dev libssl0.9.7 libssl0.9.8 libt1-5 openssl perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules phpmyadmin spamassassin spamc vim vim-common vim-doc vim-runtime" now i have changed ctime for some files belonging to the openssh-client package. does somebody know if something like this is possible through libssl |
| 10:56.39 | maniacxs | packages? |
| 10:56.39 | darkbahamut | wols_: after i added the line to sources.list i used apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 |
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| 10:58.51 | ArmEagle | Hi, does anyone know where the 'central' spot for tools like gnome-obex(-send |
| 10:59.05 | ArmEagle | .. ) is (website) |
| 11:00.10 | wols_ | darkbahamut: that is not it. you want linux-image |
| 11:00.11 | ArmEagle | bluetooth connectivity on my debian (headless) box is causing major annoyance. |
| 11:00.18 | wols_ | linuix-patch is a patch for linux kernel source |
| 11:00.54 | wols_ | maniacxs: security.debian.org if you want to see all security updates |
| 11:00.56 | darkbahamut | wols_: o i thought that was it |
| 11:01.01 | darkbahamut | wols_: sry |
| 11:01.07 | wols_ | no problem |
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| 11:01.42 | cmanns | is there a way to make rsync skip a file if it exsists already |
| 11:02.02 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm what do i search for to find the image? |
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| 11:06.30 | nkuttler | ArmEagle: try /usr/share/doc/foo/copyright |
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| 11:08.25 | ArmEagle | unfortunately no docs. But i got another idea just now. |
| 11:08.26 | maniacxs | i do not see there anything that would explain the changes ctimes |
| 11:08.35 | Jemt | wols_: This is very weird - it simply seems that alsa-base and alsa-utils are not installed every time - even though I'm performing the exact same installation. Have you ever experienced this before ? |
| 11:09.05 | darkbahamut | wols_: i need to go to sleep soon |
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| 11:10.56 | Hoxzer | hwo do I calculate horinzonal sync ? |
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| 11:11.49 | melodosgr | ive just made a dist-upgrade from lenny to sid and now i cannot see my background ;( |
| 11:12.29 | melodosgr | the panels are there but just the region of the wallpaper is covered with blue and i cannot see the icons etc.. |
| 11:12.31 | melodosgr | any ideas? |
| 11:13.03 | darkbahamut | wellz.. gnite everyone |
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| 11:13.29 | darkbahamut | o.O |
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| 11:18.12 | pumpkin0 | My Openoffice fails to do spellchecking. i installed hunspell-de-de. the package showsup in in the openoffice settings. But it does not complain about any words. I guess the document is set to english (no english checker installed). How do i change that ? |
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| 11:19.23 | gamag | i |
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| 11:19.35 | pumpkin0 | Oh, got it. |
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| 11:20.47 | XoX | how to check cpu usage on a specific cpu |
| 11:22.01 | Jemt | XoX: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq |
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| 11:22.18 | Jemt | XoX: That will show you the current speed of cpu0 |
| 11:22.35 | Jemt | XoX: Ah, usage - sorry |
| 11:22.53 | Jemt | XoX: I recommend 'htop' - excellent program for monitoring resource usage |
| 11:24.33 | simonrvn | oh this is fucked. i restart x, and i find "maximum" size is 800x600. what a load of crap. |
| 11:25.31 | Jemt | simonrvn: Easy.. Can you change the resolution in Desktop > Preferences > Resolution ? |
| 11:25.39 | suppaman | hello |
| 11:25.49 | Jemt | simonrvn: If not, try running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 11:26.22 | Jemt | simonrvn: Answer 'no' when asked if you want to use Framebuffer and if you don't know what video adapter you have, then select VESA |
| 11:26.40 | Jemt | simonrvn: Got nVidia? Select 'nv' |
| 11:27.00 | Jemt | Matrox is probably 'mgx' while ati is simply 'ati' |
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| 11:28.16 | simonrvn | Jemt: i know what to do... thanks anyway |
| 11:28.37 | simonrvn | this conf was fine before the fucking upgrade |
| 11:28.54 | Jemt | simonrvn: Please control your language! What upgrade? To Etch ? |
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| 11:29.16 | Jemt | I havn't expirenced any problems at all. BRB |
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| 11:34.03 | simonrvn | ... |
| 11:34.28 | troubled | Jemt: mind him, terrets |
| 11:34.32 | troubled | :) |
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| 11:35.59 | simonrvn | tourrette's ;) |
| 11:36.21 | troubled | meh whatever, i aint putting that much effort into your language :) |
| 11:36.44 | simonrvn | and no. i'm pissed, that what. it's minor but i need sleep, and can't.... bah. fucking upgrade broke x, that's all. |
| 11:37.01 | troubled | let me guess, sid? |
| 11:37.08 | simonrvn | of course |
| 11:37.11 | gamag | I did an "aptitude update" on lenny. The update list was huge:- http://pastebin.com/m46e30b82 <-- Is this normal? In etch it used to be just 6-7 Gets only. |
| 11:37.19 | azeem | gamag: yes |
| 11:37.24 | azeem | gamag: etch is stable, lenny is testing |
| 11:37.39 | azeem | i.e. only security updates are issues for etch |
| 11:37.39 | troubled | simonrvn: well, guess it was bound to happen sooner or later |
| 11:37.56 | troubled | ive never touched sid for good reasons ;) |
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| 11:38.09 | azeem | gamag: eh |
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| 11:38.15 | azeem | gamag: that is just the package diff stuff |
| 11:38.19 | gamag | azeem: I can understand if there are 100s of GET requests for aptitude upgrade. But why such a long list for aptitude update? |
| 11:38.33 | azeem | see above |
| 11:38.41 | simonrvn | i ran sid up until the stable switch to etch on a so-called production beast. got tired of confs breaking ;) |
| 11:38.41 | gamag | azeem: yes but why so many package diffs. On etch it used to download only the package diffs from main, contrib, non-free |
| 11:38.59 | azeem | gamag: it used to download the *whole file* from main, contrib, non-free |
| 11:39.08 | azeem | now it downloads the diff since your last update |
| 11:39.15 | gamag | azeem: ok |
| 11:39.52 | azeem | if it bothers you too much, you can turn it off |
| 11:40.00 | azeem | !pdiff |
| 11:40.00 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 11:40.16 | fkm | Hi :) Is there a way to know when a Package will be released in a specific distribution? I'm waiting for kolabd on Etch :\ |
| 11:40.20 | simonrvn | the difference before and after is that the pdiffs unload the the bandwidth used to transfer a wholes Packages.* file to the user, in patching an already present Packages |
| 11:40.31 | simonrvn | blah |
| 11:40.31 | fengor | what was the name of thunderbirdin etch again? icedove? |
| 11:40.41 | petemc | fkm: etch doesnt get new packages |
| 11:40.46 | troubled | fengor: think so |
| 11:40.47 | fkm | Ok :( |
| 11:40.50 | fengor | thanks troubled |
| 11:40.54 | fkm | Thank you petemc |
| 11:41.02 | troubled | or was it iceweasel? |
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| 11:41.12 | troubled | well, ones mail and ones www, forget which is which :) |
| 11:41.21 | fengor | yeah same here ;) |
| 11:41.23 | troubled | !iceweasel |
| 11:41.24 | dpkg | i heard iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 11:41.26 | simonrvn | i can probably get away with downgrading xserver-xorg ;p |
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| 11:41.36 | troubled | fengor: ^^^^ there ya go |
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| 11:41.40 | troubled | !icedove |
| 11:41.40 | dpkg | somebody said icedove was a fork to replace thunderbird. Debian is unable to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name due to trademark restrictions. See also DFSG, iceweasel, or gnuzilla http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. |
| 11:42.16 | troubled | well, you were right, but man i hate name changes :( |
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| 11:43.37 | jelly | !icecrap |
| 11:43.48 | simonrvn | s,xorg,xorg-core, ; damn name changes |
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| 11:44.21 | troubled | xorg wasnt near as bad. still has X in it at least |
| 11:44.40 | simonrvn | -core has the actual binary |
| 11:44.58 | troubled | although i suppose s/fire/ice/ and s/fox/weasel/ s/bird/dove/ isnt too bad |
| 11:45.25 | simonrvn | weasel is nothing like a fox ;). except maybe 4 legs |
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| 11:46.43 | Jemt | troubled, Hehe |
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| 11:47.52 | simonrvn | !tell fqh -about root |
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| 11:49.25 | simonrvn | for some dumb reason, it (Xorg) stopped being able to see any mode larger than 800x600. really weird. looks like they pulled some git co pull from a coupla days ago |
| 11:49.39 | simonrvn | s,co ,, |
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| 11:51.47 | Jemt | Later :) |
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| 11:53.48 | simonrvn | too bad it doesn't just read from /etc/fb.modes ;p (yeh right) |
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| 11:59.51 | simonrvn | yup, i was right. it's borked |
| 12:00.10 | simonrvn | just ran startx, went to 1024x768 fine |
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| 12:01.54 | simonrvn | regulars: might want to note people coming in with the problem i just had: tell them to downgrade and fetch xserver-xorg-core version 2:1.4-3 and xserver-xorg (latter might not be needed) |
| 12:02.19 | bytekode | ok |
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| 12:05.04 | dotdotdotxpoint | if I want to run a program as a given group, what do I need to type? |
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| 12:05.45 | simonrvn | sg <groupname> |
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| 12:08.37 | ttyp0 | hi there, I'm looking for some documentation about default users in /etc/passwd whiich come on debien etch |
| 12:08.44 | ttyp0 | there is a user called "irc" |
| 12:09.00 | ttyp0 | i don't know what does this user |
| 12:09.11 | ttyp0 | please, can anybody point me to some documentation on this? |
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| 12:09.33 | ruben | Hi, on debian etch, wich package contains 'usleep' tool? |
| 12:09.35 | techbie | hello all, i upgraded the kernel 2.6.22-3 from backports, now when i shutdown the machine using shutdown -h now , it halts the system, but not poweroff it. |
| 12:10.14 | ttyp0 | ruben: install apt-file |
| 12:10.16 | ttyp0 | update it |
| 12:10.17 | wols_ | !tell ruben about searcj |
| 12:10.19 | wols_ | !tell ruben about search |
| 12:10.20 | ttyp0 | and search :-) |
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| 12:10.51 | wols_ | ttyp0: installed a irc server? |
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| 12:11.06 | wols_ | ttyp0: what home directory, can the user log in, what UID? |
| 12:11.14 | ruben | thanks |
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| 12:11.39 | simonrvn | 'irc' is for any ircds installed. didn't think base-passwd still had it =) |
| 12:11.41 | ttyp0 | wolffc, home dir is /var/run/ircd |
| 12:11.46 | ruben | aptitude search usleep returns nothing |
| 12:11.48 | ttyp0 | but no ircd is installed |
| 12:11.54 | ttyp0 | it's the default installation |
| 12:12.15 | ttyp0 | ruben: install apt-file |
| 12:12.22 | ttyp0 | apt-get install apt-file |
| 12:12.26 | ttyp0 | apt-file update |
| 12:12.32 | ttyp0 | apt-file search usleep |
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| 12:12.37 | ttyp0 | and you're donde |
| 12:12.39 | ttyp0 | :) |
| 12:12.47 | simonrvn | add dlocate to that ;) |
| 12:13.12 | simonrvn | though that's for already installed stuff... it is quicker than dpkg -S |
| 12:13.38 | ttyp0 | wols_, btw uid and gid for "irc" user is 39:39 |
| 12:13.42 | ttyp0 | it comes by default |
| 12:13.45 | ttyp0 | :-\ |
| 12:13.55 | ttyp0 | don't know for what pourposes |
| 12:14.11 | simonrvn | we're gonna re-do the lodge... do it with the right materials... and other reasons |
| 12:14.25 | wols_ | ttyp0: simonrvn told you |
| 12:14.25 | simonrvn | .:07:11:38:. <simonrvn> 'irc' is for any ircds installed. didn't think base-passwd still had it =) |
| 12:14.49 | simonrvn | it's like a specialised 'daemon' user |
| 12:15.01 | ttyp0 | yes yes sorry i didn't read you before |
| 12:15.03 | ttyp0 | sorry |
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| 12:15.32 | simonrvn | it's ok, people miss reading me often ;p |
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| 12:16.00 | ttyp0 | simonrvn, sometimes it happens to me too heh |
| 12:16.49 | simonrvn | *shrug*. dunno why, just life i guess |
| 12:16.53 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 12:19.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I set permissions to allow Virtualbox to use USB devices? |
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| 12:20.17 | Schalken | Dark_Apostrophe: afaik you need the binary version of virtual box first. |
| 12:20.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | The proprietary one? :o |
| 12:20.31 | ttyp0 | Dark_Apostrophe, I use the virtualbox which comes with apt |
| 12:20.35 | Schalken | Dark_Apostrophe: (not the debian package, which is virtual box OSE (open source edition)) |
| 12:20.39 | ttyp0 | and there's no need to give any special permission |
| 12:20.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Schalken: That's the one I installed |
| 12:20.49 | ttyp0 | you have to "add" the usb devices |
| 12:20.51 | ttyp0 | one by one |
| 12:20.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did |
| 12:20.56 | ttyp0 | to your vbox machines |
| 12:20.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | But they're all greyed out |
| 12:21.02 | ttyp0 | on the "usb" section of each them |
| 12:21.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't select any of them |
| 12:21.09 | Schalken | ttyp0: oh, the OSE version has USB support? |
| 12:21.20 | ttyp0 | Schalken, yes |
| 12:21.24 | ttyp0 | well, at least i use it |
| 12:21.28 | ttyp0 | and works perfectly |
| 12:21.28 | ttyp0 | :d |
| 12:21.34 | ttyp0 | i use it on debian and on gentoo |
| 12:21.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | ttyp0: Strange that mine does now |
| 12:21.40 | ttyp0 | on gentoo i use virtualbox-bin |
| 12:21.40 | Schalken | ttyp0: sweet! im using virtual box to use my windows-only printer :D |
| 12:21.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | not* |
| 12:21.42 | ruben | ttyp0: yes, it is installed |
| 12:21.43 | ttyp0 | which is the propietary one |
| 12:21.50 | ttyp0 | in debian i simply apt-get install virrtualbox |
| 12:22.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Schalken: My only need for Windows is for my webcam... that's why I installed virtualbox |
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| 12:22.21 | Schalken | ttyp0: well, in the about dialogue it says "1.4 OSE" or just "1.4" |
| 12:22.26 | ruben | # apt-file search usleep |
| 12:22.28 | ruben | # |
| 12:22.33 | ruben | ttyp0: nothing returned |
| 12:22.40 | ttyp0 | ahmmm, the debian one is not here, is on my father's computer |
| 12:22.44 | ttyp0 | so i can't tell you |
| 12:22.53 | Schalken | ttyp0: ah ok. |
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| 12:23.11 | ttyp0 | ruben: did you update the db? |
| 12:23.20 | |bb7| | hi, is there a way to kill a whole process branch? |
| 12:23.20 | ruben | how can I updated that? |
| 12:23.38 | ruben | apt-file update |
| 12:23.41 | ruben | ah ok, one moment |
| 12:23.43 | ttyp0 | :D |
| 12:23.56 | ruben | wich difference are using aptitude search vs apt-file search ? |
| 12:23.57 | Schalken | ttyp0: well according to packages.debian.org "virtualbox" is a virtual package which installs "virtualbox-ose" which, as the name and description suggest, is the open source version. |
| 12:24.01 | ttyp0 | like simonrvn said, sometimes people miss reading me |
| 12:24.01 | ttyp0 | :D |
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| 12:24.13 | zeeble | miss reading, or misreading? |
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| 12:24.33 | ttyp0 | zeeble: sorry i'm spanish and my english is not very good |
| 12:24.39 | ttyp0 | i'm sorry if that's not correct |
| 12:24.49 | zeeble | ttyp0: don't worry :) i was just pulling your leg. sorry. |
| 12:24.51 | Schalken | how can i get dpkg to give me info on a package? |
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| 12:24.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Schalken: I downloaded the deb I installed from Vbox's website |
| 12:25.22 | Schalken | Dark_Apostrophe: see if "OSE" is mentioned in the about diualogue. |
| 12:25.24 | ttyp0 | Schalken, do it with apt |
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| 12:25.25 | ttyp0 | apt-cache show package |
| 12:25.36 | Schalken | ttyp0: oh, i mean dpkg the IRC bot |
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| 12:26.22 | Duzchip | 'lo |
| 12:26.32 | zeeble | Schalken: /msg dpkg info <packagename> |
| 12:26.37 | ttyp0 | Schalken, ah ok, sorry it's the first time i come into this channel |
| 12:26.39 | Schalken | Dark_Apostrophe: looks like the one on the virtualbox website is the binary version anyway, so either way you should be able to use USB devices. |
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| 12:26.46 | Schalken | zeeble: ah, ty |
| 12:26.47 | Duzchip | Anyone got the broadcom-card working on the Dell Inspiron 1501 in Debian please? Without ndiswrapper that is |
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| 12:27.13 | Enverex | Are there any Flash decompilers for Linux? (not doing well finding any) |
| 12:27.16 | ttyp0 | ruben: did you find the usleep? |
| 12:27.29 | tarzeau | can the netgear usb wireless with id 1385:5f01 work on debian? |
| 12:27.42 | ttyp0 | ruben: i't on the "nosql" package |
| 12:27.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Schalken: I just installed the OSE edition |
| 12:28.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Schalken: Hopefully it'll do the trick |
| 12:28.43 | Duzchip | Anyone know of any usb-wireless-card thats easy to get working (without ndiswrapper (want monitor-mode to work)) under debian please? |
| 12:28.43 | Duzchip | maybe with a prism-chip? (heard they're easy to get working. |
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| 12:29.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Schalken: :o There is no USB category any more! |
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| 12:29.21 | wols_ | Duzchip: I'd get an atheros based one |
| 12:29.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Schalken: It's gone, both from settings and from the Devices menu |
| 12:29.44 | Duzchip | wols_: Thanks |
| 12:30.01 | Duzchip | wols_: Know of any ExpressCards? or that might be the same there? |
| 12:31.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Holy mother of netsplits! |
| 12:34.14 | cast | i've asked this before but can't find it in my logs, how does one update the groups they're in without relogging in? |
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| 12:35.27 | cast | so no idea what the command to update the `groups` output without relogging in is? |
| 12:36.05 | petemc | there isnt one? |
| 12:36.10 | cast | there is. |
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| 12:36.51 | petemc | cast: great, let us know when you remember |
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| 12:42.48 | smiler | yea, isn't it lovely |
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| 12:43.55 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 12:44.04 | simonrvn | guess we had 'nother split/join |
| 12:44.13 | SamuraiDio | how can i disable MPD from starting at system startup? |
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| 12:44.25 | simonrvn | prolly some skript kiddie again... |
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| 12:45.25 | troythetechguy | I installed etch on an old PC, and installed only the basics - no gui. To keep my distro up to date I need to run update and upgrade from the command line, right? |
| 12:45.37 | azeem | troythetechguy: yes |
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| 12:45.38 | k31th | Any one have any recomends for a soho ADSL modem / router ? |
| 12:45.55 | melodosgr | anyone having problems after upgrading to sid? |
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| 12:46.02 | melodosgr | i mean xorg probs |
| 12:46.09 | azeem | melodosgr: check the bts |
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| 12:46.19 | melodosgr | azeem: huh? |
| 12:46.22 | troythetechguy | azeem, anything else i should do? I'm using this pc as a way for me to learn apache, so it's a web server too. |
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| 12:46.28 | simonrvn | didn't file the bug report yet ;). wait please |
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| 12:46.50 | melodosgr | azeem: whats the bts |
| 12:47.01 | azeem | melodosgr: you should know when you're running unstable |
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| 12:47.09 | azeem | !bts |
| 12:47.09 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 12:47.24 | simonrvn | !btssmite melodosgr |
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| 12:47.49 | melodosgr | simonrvn: will that sort my probs out? |
| 12:48.11 | simonrvn | sec. lemme file the bug report, and it will once you go read it |
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| 12:48.44 | infinity0 | what's etch m68k? |
| 12:48.54 | troythetechguy | Does anyone have a guess as to why ssh (login process) is running extremely slow? |
| 12:48.56 | simonrvn | etch on m68k heh |
| 12:49.11 | infinity0 | oh right, didn't know what m68k is :/ |
| 12:49.17 | azeem | troythetechguy: maybe your DNS lookups time out |
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| 12:49.31 | infinity0 | why's it separate from the other etches? |
| 12:49.33 | azeem | troythetechguy: try "host foo" instead of "ssh foo" and see how fast that it |
| 12:49.34 | azeem | is* |
| 12:49.44 | azeem | infinity0: because it's inofficial |
| 12:49.52 | infinity0 | oh ok |
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| 12:51.26 | jones- | hi |
| 12:51.43 | jones- | I got the following problem when issuing "aplay foo.mp3" on Debian Etch: |
| 12:51.46 | troubled | simonrvn: you there? |
| 12:51.47 | jones- | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 12:51.48 | jones- | aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 12:51.53 | jones- | can anyone help? |
| 12:52.02 | jones- | I google for the problem and it seems to be an open issue. |
| 12:52.03 | melodosgr | wha happened to me is after upgrading to sid everything is alright but when i log on to my account the panels are there ok but the wallpaper is blue and it covers the icons.. |
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| 12:52.45 | dimir | jones-: perhaps you also run some other (oss or something) module and it took over the device. |
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| 12:52.57 | dimir | jones-: make sure ALSA is the only driver you run. |
| 12:52.58 | jones- | dimir: how can I find out? |
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| 12:53.17 | jones- | dimir: ESD is disabled in the gnome preferences, at least. |
| 12:53.22 | dimir | jones-: lsmod | grep esd |
| 12:53.25 | dimir | jones-: lsmod | grep oss |
| 12:53.44 | jones- | dimir: yes, I have snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:53.51 | dimir | jones-: snd_ prefix is OK |
| 12:54.01 | dimir | snd_ prefixed modules are samba ones. |
| 12:54.02 | jones- | dimir: then I'm clean |
| 12:54.09 | dimir | But make sure there is no others. |
| 12:54.13 | jones- | dimir: samba? you mean alsa? |
| 12:54.47 | dimir | LOL |
| 12:54.59 | dimir | ye, alsa, sorry. Just playing with Samba over here. LOL |
| 12:55.12 | jones- | :) |
| 12:55.22 | jones- | dimir: anyway, I'm clean, no oss or esd modules |
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| 12:57.05 | dimir | jones-: by the way, how come you make sure aplay supports mp3? |
| 12:57.08 | simonrvn | melodosgr: anyway, go see snapshot.debian.net and look under xorg-server for version 2:1.4-3 of xserver-xorg-core and fetch and install the right one |
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| 12:57.14 | dimir | s/make sure/be sure/ |
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| 12:57.55 | jones- | dimir: I get the same errors by other player too |
| 12:58.36 | jones- | dimir: no, actuallly no: totem doesn't give me any error from the command line, but I can still hear nothing |
| 12:58.44 | jones- | I still can hear nothing, I mean |
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| 12:59.15 | dimir | jones-: mplayer foo.mp3 works? |
| 12:59.44 | jones- | dimir: no, with similar error: |
| 12:59.46 | jones- | [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1248:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 12:59.50 | jones- | [AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Device or resource busy |
| 12:59.52 | jones- | [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 13:02.30 | jula | Hello. I've got / on a Sw-RAID-0 (md0) and /home on a Sw-RAID-1 (md1). When I type halt I get messages like "still in use" (see #flood). Is this normal, when / is on a raid-device. Does the fs switch to ro-mode first? |
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| 13:05.17 | jula | By the was: When running dpkg-reconfigure mdadm, should I add md1 (/home) to "MD arrays needed for the root filesystem" ? |
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| 13:09.47 | cast | fengor, petemc: thanks, it was newgrp :) |
| 13:11.25 | fengor | no problem cast, just grepped my logs after group and your nick ;p |
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| 13:11.41 | cast | what...i did that too :\ |
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| 13:12.00 | cast | but i grepped for a question mark too, hmm |
| 13:12.47 | fengor | no question marked on the line in question |
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| 13:13.01 | troythetechguy | when I do apt-get update, the upgrade, I'm told the following packages were kept back: linux-image-2.6-486. What does this mean? |
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| 13:13.43 | wols_ | !tell troythetechguy about kept-back |
| 13:14.09 | wols_ | troythetechguy: you probably also want to get a different kernel unless you really run a 486 or original pentium |
| 13:14.21 | wols_ | !tell troythetechguy about kept back |
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| 13:15.52 | jula | Can "md0 still in use" (/ is on md0) shortly before poweroff daimage the filesystem? |
| 13:17.13 | epsilon | are all filesytem umounted properly? |
| 13:17.49 | jula | epsilon: I get unmounting local filesystems ... done |
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| 13:18.14 | troythetechguy | wols_, according to the boot up screen, the processor is a Pentium -S CPU @ 150MHZ. This is an older PC that was given to me, and i'm using it to learn apace. Does the kernel then fit for this pc? |
| 13:18.20 | SamuraiDio | once i had updated my Debian to Lenny, by example, how can i downgrade al packages back to Etch? |
| 13:18.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | SamuraiDio, you dont |
| 13:19.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, that kernel fits for that hardware |
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| 13:20.28 | epsilon | Pentium-S? |
| 13:20.35 | SamuraiDio | Kamping_Kaiser, isnt there a way to do some # apt-ger -r etch install everything? |
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| 13:21.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | SamuraiDio, no. not unlessyou do some ugly scripting and forced downgrading of packages by hand |
| 13:21.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | packages are designed to go up, not down |
| 13:21.32 | SamuraiDio | ok, tnx |
| 13:21.54 | troythetechguy | I choose debian etch because my system has low resources (32mb ram, 150 mhz Pentium). Being new to debian (and a newer linux user in general), is there any other security measure I should do besides running apt-get update, then upgrade daily? |
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| 13:22.01 | epsilon | you can use pinning to downgrade, but it's not supported AKA no guarantee it will work |
| 13:22.24 | bahadunn | I have done a downgrade before |
| 13:22.30 | bahadunn | but its messy |
| 13:22.34 | rvalles | what the heck; I'm getting repeatly moved to #debian-overflow :/ |
| 13:22.45 | bahadunn | rvalles: stop overflowing |
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| 13:23.02 | rvalles | bahadunn: but what's overflowing? |
| 13:23.11 | epsilon | troythetechguy: 32MB is *very* low |
| 13:23.17 | troythetechguy | With a little reading, is it possible I can create a script that runs apt-get update, upgrade at a specified time, daily? |
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| 13:23.38 | troythetechguy | epsilon, I know. I was surprised it even allowed me to complete the install! |
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| 13:23.59 | bahadunn | rvalles: usually when a lot of people are joining the channel if the number is above a limit they get put into overflow |
| 13:23.59 | dokma | hi everyone |
| 13:24.12 | troythetechguy | epsilon, As for the processor type, the boot screen said pentium-s. I too have not heard of the "-s" before. |
| 13:24.12 | bahadunn | rvalles: happens usually when there is a netsplit |
| 13:24.28 | rvalles | bahadunn: ok |
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| 13:24.53 | epsilon | well 150MHz should be Pentium 1, what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say |
| 13:24.55 | epsilon | ? |
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| 13:25.36 | dokma | I've got a predicament about installing a new kernel on a dedicated server. All I have is ssh root access to it. I wan't to compile and install a custom kernel. But how do I make sure I'm not locked out if something goes wrong??? |
| 13:25.42 | troythetechguy | epsilon, To stay up to date, and secure with the latest fixes, is there anything else you'd recommend, in addition to running apt-get? |
| 13:25.58 | stew | dokma: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 13:26.22 | dokma | stew !! you're the man! |
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| 13:26.53 | troythetechguy | epsilon, /proc/cpuinfo states: cpu MHz : 150.048 |
| 13:26.58 | DaBonBon | is the list of release blockers for Lenny frozen ? |
| 13:27.18 | stew | DaBonBon: i don't think such a list has even been penned yet |
| 13:27.36 | bahadunn | dokma: do it right the first time |
| 13:27.41 | DaBonBon | stew: oh ok, i was referring to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/06/msg00005.html |
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| 13:28.11 | dokma | bahadunn: unfortunately I have not reached perfection |
| 13:28.13 | dokma | yet |
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| 13:28.29 | bahadunn | dokma: practice makes perfect |
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| 13:29.18 | dokma | bahadunn: stew got it right the first time |
| 13:29.25 | dokma | we need to look up to him |
| 13:29.39 | bahadunn | uh ok |
| 13:29.46 | bahadunn | stew: you hear this? |
| 13:29.51 | DaBonBon | dokma: just because i'm curious, what are you discussing about ? |
| 13:29.52 | bahadunn | stew: or see it rather |
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| 13:30.22 | dokma | DaBonBon: I need to compile a kernel for a dedicated box with root ssh access only |
| 13:30.26 | bahadunn | yikes |
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| 13:30.37 | dokma | so I'm concerned about not locking myself out of the box |
| 13:30.46 | dokma | by setting up a faulty kernel |
| 13:31.05 | dokma | stew gave the correct answer |
| 13:31.06 | bahadunn | dokma: what you do is find out all the hardware this system has |
| 13:31.14 | bahadunn | dokma: then you make sure you enable it in the kernel |
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| 13:31.32 | troythetechguy | how can i tell what version kernel I'm running? |
| 13:31.34 | bahadunn | dokma: and use the grub fall back for good measure |
| 13:31.46 | dokma | bahadunn: stew gave the right answer |
| 13:31.53 | bahadunn | dokma: but whether you use grub fall back or not you must do it right for the new kernel to work |
| 13:32.02 | wols_ | troythetechguy: yes |
| 13:32.04 | bahadunn | dokma: okay |
| 13:32.10 | bahadunn | dokma: do what he says then |
| 13:32.16 | dokma | I'm onto it |
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| 13:32.31 | Maenad | i just installed debian and selected Website Serving when going through setup, but i cant access it over my network. is there a step im missing? when i ping localhost on the debian server, it says 127.0.0.1 =/ |
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| 13:33.16 | DaBonBon | dokma: i see |
| 13:33.28 | wols_ | Maenad: what else should it say? |
| 13:33.37 | bakon | Question: can anyone help me When i goto mount my 2nd HDD i get this error 'mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /site2/site busy |
| 13:33.37 | bakon | ' |
| 13:33.44 | wols_ | localhost is 127.0.01 and if it isn't, something's wrong |
| 13:34.00 | dokma | DaBonBon: stew nailed it right in the eye: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
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| 13:35.17 | dbmoodb | !troll |
| 13:35.17 | dpkg | it has been said that troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
| 13:35.47 | suppaman | hello |
| 13:35.56 | azeem | dbmoodb: please /msg the bot |
| 13:36.21 | dbmoodb | sorry just needed that |
| 13:36.23 | bahadunn | stew: looks like you have a fan |
| 13:36.25 | dbmoodb | tis a good bot |
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| 13:36.26 | Maenad | wols_: oh right, i see it works now =) |
| 13:36.34 | bahadunn | stew: maybe you two can get together and take windy walks |
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| 13:37.33 | Maenad | wols_: im new to networking, it doesnt make so much sense to me |
| 13:37.43 | Maenad | how do i enable ssh on debian? |
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| 13:37.52 | wols_ | install it? |
| 13:37.53 | Maenad | (or smb or afp) |
| 13:37.59 | wols_ | same answer |
| 13:38.01 | Maenad | oh okay. like netatalk? |
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| 13:38.09 | cast | install openssh-server |
| 13:38.15 | wols_ | you have netatalk installed? |
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| 13:38.30 | Maenad | im going to if you say it works for afp |
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| 13:40.04 | dokma | bahadunn: now don't be jelaous |
| 13:40.07 | dokma | ;) |
| 13:40.18 | fasta | I have one eps file that takes about 5 seconds to render. Is there some tool that "optimizes eps files"? |
| 13:40.21 | dokma | we know you're pretty good to |
| 13:40.25 | Odd_Bloke | Hey guys, I'm running unstable and am trying to get the Python Samba bindings. I notice that there are packages available in stable and testing but not in unstable. How can I go about getting hold of them? |
| 13:40.28 | bahadunn | dokma: never would be |
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| 13:40.48 | bahadunn | dokma: I never have to use grub fall back because I compile perfect kernels |
| 13:41.02 | dokma | bahadunn: there you see |
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| 13:41.16 | dokma | bahadunn: maybee you could help me setup dovecot from inetd ? |
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| 13:41.26 | bahadunn | dokma: I dont think so |
| 13:41.48 | dokma | bahadunn: hmm... never done it? |
| 13:42.03 | dokma | which mda you use? |
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| 13:42.30 | Maenad | is there a program that i can install on debian which would let it show up in Mac OS X's Network folder? |
| 13:42.49 | bahadunn | dokma: no but I dont want to help you anymore |
| 13:42.54 | bahadunn | dokma: piss off |
| 13:43.35 | liable | aww |
| 13:43.42 | dokma | bahadunn: you're a bad sport |
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| 13:44.01 | dokma | bahadunn: you can't expect to mess with people without getting messed back at ;) |
| 13:44.11 | dokma | bahadunn: go to daddy |
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| 13:44.28 | bahadunn | dokma: have fun with your dovecot |
| 13:44.44 | bahadunn | dokma: better read the manuals |
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| 13:45.11 | dokma | bahadunn: I'm starting to like you |
| 13:45.18 | bahadunn | dokma: maybe stew can bail you out |
| 13:45.29 | dokma | you remind me of my girl friend that gets inflamed every time I mess with her |
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| 13:45.43 | azeem | bahadunn, dokma: how about you two take your conversation elsewhere? |
| 13:45.51 | dokma | :) |
| 13:45.56 | dokma | couldn't help it |
| 13:45.58 | dokma | sorry |
| 13:47.02 | Maenad | do i need to configure netatalk to see the pc on my mac's network folder? |
| 13:47.04 | bahadunn | azeem: yes master |
| 13:47.06 | Maenad | (or reboot?) |
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| 13:47.50 | loesh | my debian etch freezes up from time to time. I cant seem to find anything in the logs under /var/log. I am on a dell precision 390, and i have a gut feeling that it might be the built in network card. anyone have any suggestions where to start looking? |
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| 13:48.32 | nvz | loesh: there is almost no situation where a network card would lock up a system |
| 13:48.51 | liable | nvz: not particularly true |
| 13:49.00 | liable | any kernel module can do that |
| 13:49.05 | nvz | loesh: when all else fails sysrq kill something :P |
| 13:49.07 | Enverex | Does anyone know if it's possible to use swftools to extract everything from a .swf file? It only seems to allow one file at once which is stupid |
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| 13:49.40 | loesh | nvz, ok thanks for that info, i found it a bit hard to belive that it would die that badly.. |
| 13:49.45 | nvz | liable: not likely imo for intermittant lockups.. it would be widely known if a kernel in etch were doing that |
| 13:49.58 | liable | nvz: we just hope that stable kernel modules generally dont do that |
| 13:50.00 | Phil4 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=775 <--- anyone know what this is about? :S |
| 13:50.30 | loesh | hmm i had an issue with that on my home desktop. dont remember the driver module now though... |
| 13:50.30 | liable | nvz: the sky2 is a fairly good example of a badly behaving one |
| 13:50.35 | loesh | yea thats the one :) |
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| 13:50.53 | nvz | loesh: idk you need to get more info run a good monitor applet that shows cpu,loadavg,ram,swap,disk, and net access |
| 13:51.10 | nvz | loesh: what you are using sky2? |
| 13:51.18 | loesh | nvz, well i am running gkrellm that gives me all that... |
| 13:51.31 | loesh | nvz, no not on this machine... |
| 13:51.34 | troythetechguy | Sorry, I had to step away. Did anyone say how I can find the version of my kernel? |
| 13:51.44 | nvz | I am using the gnome-system-monitor applet myself |
| 13:51.44 | liable | troythetechguy: uname -r |
| 13:51.48 | loesh | but the problem i had with that one is pretty much alike the one i am experiencing now.. |
| 13:51.53 | reto_ | I can't find the guidline which describes which urgency has to be used for what problem. Where can I find that? |
| 13:52.08 | troythetechguy | Thanks liable . |
| 13:52.13 | liable | np |
| 13:52.17 | azeem | reto_: in general, 'low' |
| 13:52.30 | azeem | reto_: what kind of urgency are you talking about anyway? |
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| 13:52.35 | maltepopalte | hi |
| 13:52.50 | nvz | loesh: sysrq kill will work if its software locking up.. bittorrent does that to me sometimes and I have to sysrq |
| 13:53.00 | maltepopalte | how can I config my acpi under debian? which modules should be loaded and alike |
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| 13:53.32 | liable | depends what your hardware is and what you want to do |
| 13:53.38 | loesh | hmm, ok thing is the whole machine just starts moving ultraslow and if a lucky i can change desktop then it freezes completley.. |
| 13:53.38 | maltepopalte | is there a gui or a "hidden" config file? I just found the events but nothing appropriate |
| 13:54.09 | liable | loesh: what makes you think its the network card? |
| 13:54.34 | loesh | i am suspectign faulty hardware since this started happening since a move of the computer and i did not have these problems before... but it is very hard to trace since i cant find anything in the logs. |
| 13:54.34 | troythetechguy | My current kernel version is 2.6.18-4-486, and when i upgrade the kept back version is linux-image-2.6-486. Therefore, I already have a newer version of the kernel installed, right? |
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| 13:55.10 | Th|sD|cK | hello |
| 13:55.15 | loesh | liable, i guess im drawing parallels to my trouble with the sky2 driver. So thats probably a dum hunch.. |
| 13:55.29 | liable | troythetechguy: no, that newer 2.6-486 would install the -5 kernel as a dependancy |
| 13:55.35 | reto_ | azeem: the changelog urgency |
| 13:55.51 | liable | troythetechguy: the linux-image-2.6-486 package is a meta package |
| 13:56.11 | reto_ | azeem: so in which cases is one allowed to use a higher urgency? only security issues? |
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| 13:56.31 | liable | loesh: probably |
| 13:56.36 | reto_ | azeem: I'm just wondering, I don't mind the 10 (i think) days in testing |
| 13:56.36 | troythetechguy | liable, Ok, now I'm lost. So I want to upgrade? |
| 13:56.37 | reto_ | ehmm, unstable |
| 13:56.42 | liable | troythetechguy: yes |
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| 13:57.32 | troythetechguy | liable, and it's possible this upgrade was held back because i used apt-get upgrade, not apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:58.12 | codazoda | When I run lsusb on one of my machines, the program seems to lockup. I can't CTRL-C to stop it, so I have to kill it. I'm using a USB keyboard and mouse, so USB itself is working. Any ideas? |
| 13:58.18 | liable | troythetechguy: yes, because the meta package depends on the new kernel, yet an upgrade wont upgrade it due to other depends.. read the apt-howto |
| 13:58.38 | ringo999 | anyone here using vim: how do i use/access a value from a register in a substitute expression?? |
| 13:58.53 | liable | hrm, i explained that rather poorly |
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| 13:59.55 | sha1sum | is "Virtual Memory" the same thing as swap? |
| 14:00.11 | cast | yip |
| 14:00.16 | sha1sum | cool thanks |
| 14:00.27 | liable | sha1sum: good to see your stronger now ;) |
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| 14:00.55 | sha256sum | liable: hehehe |
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| 14:01.54 | azeem | reto_: a higher urgency is also fine when fixing RC bugs |
| 14:02.21 | reto_ | ko |
| 14:02.29 | reto_ | -> ok |
| 14:02.40 | Th|sD|cK | i run 2.6.18-5-686 kernel and kde, when i try to change resolution kde switch on login user without any fix...howto change resolution?! |
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| 14:08.36 | Maenad | hi i just installed samba and im trying to connect from my mac to the debian samba server, but it says my password is incorrect! im using the same one i used when i installed and logged into debian, though! |
| 14:08.38 | mikes_ | Th|sD|cK: have you configures xorg ? |
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| 14:08.50 | mikes_ | *configured |
| 14:08.59 | mikes_ | !paste |
| 14:08.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:09.20 | Th|sD|cK | mikes, no... |
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| 14:10.28 | mikes_ | Th|sD|cK: do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , pick the resolutions you want, restart xserver and it should be fine |
| 14:10.28 | liable | samba is a real pits to debug when it complains about auth problems. the error is the same for just about every problem |
| 14:10.32 | mikes_ | Th|sD|cK: or just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you have the appropriate knowledge |
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| 14:11.16 | Th|sD|cK | mikes, ok i'm going it tnx |
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| 14:11.32 | mikes_ | Th|sD|cK: before editing or reconfiguring take a backup of the current xorg.conf |
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| 14:12.33 | Th|sD|cK | ok |
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| 14:13.14 | Maenad | hi i just installed samba and im trying to connect from my mac to the debian samba server, but it says my password is incorrect! im using the same one i used when i installed and logged into debian, though! |
| 14:13.25 | liable | enouf: been fishing? |
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| 14:13.50 | enouf | liable: yep ;-) swinging my trout about |
| 14:13.59 | BotaniCar | Maenad: you did do a "smbpasswd -a" for that user ? |
| 14:14.08 | liable | erm, not sure i want to ask further.. :P |
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| 14:17.08 | wiedenmann | I have a symbolic link to a directory with name d, "ls d" shows the link I need to type "ls d/" to see its content, can I change something to get the content with "ls d"? |
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| 14:18.51 | liable | wiedenmann: hrm, i just made a symbolic link to a directory named d, and ls d shows me the contents |
| 14:19.27 | troythetechguy | Must I reboot after upgrading the kernel? |
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| 14:19.48 | liable | troythetechguy: if you want to use it, yes |
| 14:20.58 | tralala | troythetechguy, that's the only thing linux can't do without a reboot |
| 14:21.02 | liable | i take it your troy_the_windows_tech_guy :) |
| 14:21.06 | troythetechguy | liable, Thanks for your help with this. I actually found this command (apt-get -u install linux-image-2.6-486) in the documentation you pointed me to. I used it, and I'm now rebooting. |
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| 14:21.27 | liable | tralala: but it can (which you are prolly aware) |
| 14:21.37 | wiedenmann | liable: that means at least somehow its possible, but where do I configure that? |
| 14:21.38 | liable | tralala: cool, np |
| 14:21.49 | troythetechguy | liable, Yeah, I cut my teeth on Windows, but I've now seen the light! :) |
| 14:22.10 | liable | wiedenmann: no idea, i just made a symbolic link to a dir and it showed the contents when i ls'd it |
| 14:22.17 | tralala | liable, eh? |
| 14:22.23 | liable | tralala: kexec |
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| 14:26.08 | salvin | who use vim? |
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| 14:26.30 | cast | me use vim |
| 14:26.36 | salvin | vim-full? |
| 14:27.23 | Loigor | me too |
| 14:27.26 | salvin | how do you copy text from vim to other apps? |
| 14:27.30 | norc_ | 15:20 < tralala> troythetechguy, that's the only thing linux can't do without a reboot |
| 14:27.33 | norc_ | nope |
| 14:27.35 | norc_ | thats not true |
| 14:27.38 | Loigor | salvin: with ur mouze |
| 14:27.39 | et | "*y |
| 14:27.40 | norc_ | there is kexec |
| 14:27.41 | cast | salvin: in x? |
| 14:27.47 | et | or "+y |
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| 14:27.56 | salvin | Loigor, don't works |
| 14:28.00 | cast | norc_: well, you might as well reboot since you can't keep your apps running :( |
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| 14:28.12 | norc_ | cast: still, its not a reboot |
| 14:28.13 | troythetechguy | liable, Since all I need to do now to keep my disto updated is run the apt-get update, upgrade commands, can I create a script that runs these commands, daily? |
| 14:28.15 | Archie1 | how do i run a patch that patches multiple files? https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=186406&atid=917159&file_id=238397&aid=1759916 |
| 14:28.20 | wiedenmann | salvin: :he clipboard |
| 14:28.24 | elmo40 | salvin: highlight with your mouse, then middle click to your new app |
| 14:28.30 | wols_ | Archie1: man patch |
| 14:28.33 | norc_ | troythetechguy: use cron |
| 14:28.40 | wols_ | Archie1: it "runs" like any other patchfile |
| 14:29.00 | Archie1 | wols_: but what do i redirect it to? |
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| 14:29.03 | salvin | elmo40, no |
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| 14:29.10 | norc_ | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y |
| 14:29.15 | elmo40 | salvin: why not? |
| 14:29.18 | cast | cron-apt might be a good idea |
| 14:29.19 | Archie1 | for single file patch i'd do patch <patch> > file |
| 14:30.16 | salvin | elmo40, may be an xterm problem |
| 14:30.23 | salvin | try with xterm |
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| 14:31.29 | liable | troythetechguy: there is a cron-apt thing, but if you use stable (which by the kernel version you have, it seems you do) you are best off by subscribing to debian-security-announce mailing list, which will tell you when packages get updated due to security upgrades |
| 14:31.43 | liable | !dsa |
| 14:31.43 | dpkg | hmm... dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame |
| 14:31.47 | elmo40 | salvin: left-click and hold to highlight, then middle-click to paste. What are you going from and to? |
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| 14:31.58 | liable | eek |
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| 14:32.04 | norc_ | One should mention that there are no updates in stable. |
| 14:32.04 | salvin | elmo40, i know |
| 14:32.11 | liable | !factinfo dsa |
| 14:32.11 | dpkg | dsa -- last modified at Mon Jul 24 18:43:42 2006 by lolman!~lolman@batcave.autiste.org; it has been requested 21 times, last by liable, 27s ago. |
| 14:32.14 | salvin | from term works |
| 14:32.17 | elmo40 | 2006? |
| 14:32.19 | salvin | form vim not |
| 14:32.39 | elmo40 | works from vim on mine... even works from links2! |
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| 14:33.14 | salvin | elmo40, have you lenny? |
| 14:33.15 | liable | some hatred it seems for the security team.. |
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| 14:33.33 | elmo40 | salvin: that does not matter. |
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| 14:33.44 | elmo40 | try shift+insert |
| 14:33.55 | stew | liable: i think the hatred is for the DSA team, not the security team |
| 14:34.03 | tralala | liable, interesting. Any support in debian? |
| 14:34.04 | salvin | elmo40, is the same |
| 14:34.06 | keith4 | why does nautilus suck so bad at browsing network-mounted filesystems? |
| 14:34.26 | liable | tralala: check your config for kexec, i dont think debian enables it |
| 14:34.40 | salvin | elmo40, with shift+ins i can paste in vim |
| 14:34.52 | elmo40 | keith4: just cuz... |
| 14:35.22 | elmo40 | salvin: i dont see any problems on my side... whwat is it you can not do? You are confusing. |
| 14:35.35 | keith4 | i want to give it a chance, i really do... but i always end up back in a terminal, because i can't wait 10 seconds for a window to draw |
| 14:35.35 | ThisD|cK | mikes_ i try your suggest, but when i try to change resolution by kde i got login kde without new resolution |
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| 14:35.48 | ThisD|cK | need i right driver? |
| 14:35.50 | tralala | liable, it's enabled and there's even a userspace tool packaged. I'll play with it some day. |
| 14:35.57 | wols_ | Archie1: . |
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| 14:36.14 | wols_ | you don't need to redirecto to anything. see man patch |
| 14:36.20 | liable | tralala: i never tried it myself, seems a bit funky for my liking, but it apparently works |
| 14:36.20 | elmo40 | keith4: mc? |
| 14:36.26 | salvin | elmo40, i can drag and drop in vim |
| 14:36.35 | ThisD|cK | su |
| 14:36.39 | keith4 | elmo40: huh? |
| 14:36.57 | elmo40 | keith4: for you mounted file system... cant you use mc? |
| 14:36.58 | salvin | but i can't copy from vim and paste to another app |
| 14:37.11 | keith4 | eh... never was a fan of it |
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| 14:37.29 | elmo40 | salvin: you can NOT copy from vim? now that sounds odd. |
| 14:37.49 | keith4 | i'll just keep complaining about nautilus, but then never do anything about it |
| 14:38.19 | liable | thats the linux way :) |
| 14:38.40 | salvin | elmo40, i can copy |
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| 14:38.53 | liable | vim has a copy mode |
| 14:38.54 | salvin | bet i can NOT paste to another term |
| 14:38.59 | salvin | or app |
| 14:39.14 | salvin | but* |
| 14:39.47 | cast | since you're in x, could you just use gvim? |
| 14:39.48 | elmo40 | salvin: i see no reason not to. mine works like a charm (highlight then middle-click to past) |
| 14:40.01 | elmo40 | your term must be foobared |
| 14:40.03 | liable | stew: console or xterm? |
| 14:40.10 | liable | salvin: ^^ |
| 14:40.19 | salvin | it's strange |
| 14:40.25 | salvin | liable, xterm |
| 14:41.01 | liable | just higlighting should enable it, then middle click in next window |
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| 14:41.31 | salvin | liable, without vim works |
| 14:41.45 | salvin | from xterm to xterm |
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| 14:42.12 | elmo40 | just make sure you keep the text highlighted in vim! It is volatile! Do not click twice in vim to de-highlight the text. |
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| 14:42.54 | liable | the only one that gives me trouble like that is mc in a ssh session |
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| 14:43.26 | liable | i havent ever had vim be a pain like that |
| 14:44.00 | mrrcp | anyone use openvpn |
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| 14:44.22 | cast | mrrcp: most of #openvpn, i imagine |
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| 14:45.28 | salvin | elmo40, on Eterm works correcly oO |
| 14:45.29 | mrrcp | mabey i need help from a debian user |
| 14:45.31 | mrrcp | ? |
| 14:45.59 | salvin | on xterm go in visual mode |
| 14:46.07 | loesh | ok probably a strange question, but i would like to check my CPU temperature and i cant seem to get sensors working. Running a dell precision 390. |
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| 14:47.01 | amphi | loesh: acpi -t ? |
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| 14:47.38 | loesh | amphi, oh, no support for thermal. |
| 14:48.00 | loesh | is that a kernel option i should enable? or is it my hardware that does not support it? |
| 14:48.13 | amphi | loesh: try modprobe thermal |
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| 14:48.56 | schildkroet | hi |
| 14:49.39 | salvin | elmo40, without "set mouse=a" in .vimrc works |
| 14:50.08 | loesh | amphi, modprobe didnt cause an errer but still no support for thermal... |
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| 14:50.41 | amphi | loesh: perhaps your hw doesn't support it; look at /proc/acpi |
| 14:50.45 | cast | what does acpi -t show? returns 40.0 here |
| 14:51.41 | loesh | amphi, hmm, /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty at least :/ |
| 14:51.46 | schildkroet | excuse me, I'm doing this so seldomly -- where can I change the domain name of a Debian.box? Do I need to ad the domain name in /etc/hostname? |
| 14:52.23 | amphi | loesh: this is a laptop? |
| 14:52.34 | Maliuta | schildkroet: hostname |
| 14:52.36 | loesh | amphi, no its a desktop |
| 14:52.45 | petemc | schildkroet: /etc/hostname for the shortname (foo) , /etc/hosts for the domains (bar.com) |
| 14:52.50 | Maliuta | schildkroet: if you can't figure it out try the manpage |
| 14:52.58 | schildkroet | petemc: thanks |
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| 14:53.03 | vanksi | hmm, how do i change the current locale on console, i can change it from teminal->character encoding but i must change it everytime i open a new console window |
| 14:53.17 | petemc | schildkroet: in /etc/hosts , you would have "ipaddress foo.bar.com foo" |
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| 14:57.27 | cast | wow |
| 14:58.02 | cast | that's fucking bizzare, watching htop's uptime clock tick over, the seconds sometimes jump in increments of 2 |
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| 15:00.26 | liable | loesh: i had to compile lmsensors to get it working on a recent mobo with an x35 or whatever they call that ich9 chip |
| 15:01.53 | loesh | liable, oh, the one bundled in debian is a bit old? |
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| 15:02.04 | loesh | but shold acpi -t give me somethiong? |
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| 15:02.07 | th0rv4ld | Wow. I just got a shower. |
| 15:02.15 | th0rv4ld | Still got the under-chin beard, though. |
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| 15:02.26 | th0rv4ld | I'm still a good linux user, I guess. |
| 15:02.30 | th0rv4ld | :-P |
| 15:04.31 | cast | aww what, can i only run one OS instance using kvm? |
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| 15:04.36 | dbmoodb | !wikipedia |
| 15:04.54 | petemc | dbmoodb: whats with joining and printing random factoids into the channel? |
| 15:05.03 | dbmoodb | not this time |
| 15:05.06 | dbmoodb | just checking that |
| 15:05.12 | petemc | not for lack of trying.. |
| 15:05.19 | dbmoodb | i really should have dpkg on speed dial |
| 15:05.21 | liable | dbmoodb: you can msg the bot |
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| 15:06.29 | liable | loesh: i dont recall if the unstable version installed, (i think it did, but didnt work) but compiling the latest lmsensors (and lib) made it work ok |
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| 15:06.59 | liable | loesh: not that i suggest compiling shit on your debian box of course ;) |
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| 15:08.26 | robboplus_ | is it possible to wipe dead ssh sessions? |
| 15:08.39 | robboplus_ | there is a bunch of those in who |
| 15:08.51 | loesh | liable, hehe ill give it a try.. |
| 15:08.51 | cast | tried killing them? |
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| 15:09.41 | schildkroet | petemc, Maliuta: thanks for your help about the hostname |
| 15:09.41 | robboplus_ | cast hm, just wondering how should i do that.. each points to a particular pts and that's about it |
| 15:09.46 | asdasdas | can someone dump this file into pastebin for me |
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| 15:09.54 | asdasdas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:10.05 | asdasdas | u seem to be missing mine for some reason |
| 15:10.09 | asdasdas | i * |
| 15:10.24 | Xteven | hi |
| 15:10.35 | Xteven | can someone give me an estimate when lenny will be stable ? |
| 15:10.35 | azeem | asdasdas: dude, this one is pretty installation-specific |
| 15:10.46 | asdasdas | ? |
| 15:10.56 | azeem | asdasdas: you cannot just use somebody else's available |
| 15:11.05 | asdasdas | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 15:11.05 | asdasdas | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 15:11.08 | azeem | it's "/var", i.e. system variable data |
| 15:11.12 | abrotman | there should be a backup in that dir IIRC |
| 15:11.13 | azeem | asdasdas: so? |
| 15:11.13 | asdasdas | how the fuk do i fix this ? |
| 15:11.17 | cast | robboplus_: ps aux, should see something like sshd: user@pts/X |
| 15:11.26 | azeem | asdasdas: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
| 15:11.29 | azeem | as root |
| 15:11.30 | robboplus_ | cast hm... that's right... then i just kill that one? |
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| 15:11.44 | cast | robboplus_: well, i'd try that |
| 15:11.44 | robboplus_ | cast no risk in that, like some freeze etc. |
| 15:11.57 | Josh_ | anybody with simple-cdd experience here? |
| 15:12.10 | asdasdas | any ideas how i could have deleted that file by accident to prevent this in the future ? |
| 15:12.17 | cast | robboplus_: as its not a root process, theres no risk in that |
| 15:13.20 | robboplus_ | cast i just killed a wrong pts by mistake... there was no login on it though... now wondering what happened :) |
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| 15:14.38 | liable | asdasdas: to prevent this from happening again, get someone to change the root password and not let you know it :P |
| 15:14.41 | cast | robboplus_: like the one you were using? |
| 15:14.52 | asdasdas | haha |
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| 15:15.01 | asdasdas | actually i use sudo -i |
| 15:15.03 | asdasdas | usually |
| 15:15.11 | asdasdas | wwhich is prob bad |
| 15:15.27 | robboplus_ | cast nope... some other like: 4140 0.0 0.1 4196 1716 pts/11 Ss+ 09:57 0:00 -bash |
| 15:15.37 | robboplus_ | no idea what that one was.. |
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| 15:19.52 | asdasdas | hey how do i install a package useing apt-get if the package doesnt have a valid gpg key ? |
| 15:19.53 | asdasdas | ? |
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| 15:20.46 | cast | ive dpkg -i'ed unsigned packages before, FWIW |
| 15:20.56 | dennis5345345354 | h just installed etch on a SiS chipset. I know that alsamixer work and put my rear jack wrong (already fixed) but now the gnome volume manager says no sound card dectect , alsaconf says it is, what can i do? |
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| 15:21.19 | blq | What could it be caused by that I am able to see the sound output at the arts controll tool, have double checked the cables and amplifier power, have double checked the alsamixers and still be unable to hear any sound? |
| 15:21.54 | blq | (I'm using a NForce2 Soundstorm onboard soundcard) |
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| 15:22.50 | saintiss | blq, so it's not muted? |
| 15:23.14 | loesh | liable, well a new compiled lm sensprs seems to do the trick.. except that i dont have the coretemp module and i cant seem to install it :/ |
| 15:23.35 | abrotman | asdasdas: it asks you if you want to allow it |
| 15:23.51 | blq | saintiss: I'm sure that there isn'T muted anything and every bar is turned to it's maximum - I'm not sure if I maybe missconfigured anything in the mixers |
| 15:23.56 | cast | and, you've got 3 or 4 potential plugs to plug the speakers into as its 5.1, have you used the right one [if you don't have 5.1 sound anyway]? [ |
| 15:24.00 | asdasdas | mine doesn't :) |
| 15:24.39 | XoX | how to see MAC address of frames with tcpdump |
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| 15:26.12 | blq | XoX: as far as I know tcp is using windows and not frames |
| 15:26.13 | abrotman | asdasdas: are you using debian? |
| 15:26.35 | kblin | hi |
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| 15:27.12 | asdasdas | yeah |
| 15:27.16 | asdasdas | oh i foundthe key |
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| 15:27.21 | asdasdas | to verify the packages |
| 15:27.23 | asdasdas | even better |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | the enter key? |
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| 15:28.10 | basix | to install debian do i need to download ALL DVDs? or just no.1 will do/ |
| 15:28.26 | abrotman | !d-i basix |
| 15:28.26 | dpkg | basix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:29.22 | basix | abrotman, how do i find out if my hardware isn't supported? |
| 15:29.35 | abrotman | basix: tell us a little bit about it? :) |
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| 15:29.47 | abrotman | basix: how new/old is it? any odd devices? |
| 15:31.27 | basix | abrotman, i'll tell you everything about it :P Its a C2D E6400, 1Gig Kingston ( 533MHz FSB ), Intel DG965RYCK motherboard, 1x120GB Samsung SATA HDD, 1x80GB Seagate PATA HDD, PS/2 mouse, PS/2 keyboard, Samsung 740N LCD monitor, standard speakers. Thats just about it :) |
| 15:31.50 | asdasdas | hmm im still getting errors that packages are not installed when they are |
| 15:31.51 | abrotman | you forgot your video card |
| 15:31.52 | asdasdas | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libgnome2-0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | it's not telling you the package isn't installed |
| 15:32.09 | basix | abrotman, its the onboard graphics adapter that comes along with the motherboard |
| 15:32.16 | asdasdas | :/ |
| 15:32.22 | abrotman | basix: do you know which ICH it is? |
| 15:32.40 | basix | abrotman, hang on. |
| 15:32.40 | abrotman | asdasdas: reinstall libgnome |
| 15:32.58 | abrotman | basix: and are you planning to run etch or lenny? |
| 15:33.28 | basix | abrotman, Etch i guess i.e. Debian 4.0r1 I've downloaded those images. |
| 15:33.35 | basix | actually only 2 DVDs until now |
| 15:34.02 | abrotman | i think etch will work .. but i'm not 100% certain |
| 15:34.34 | basix | abrotman, why? ( btw, lspci seems to be missing from my system! :( ) |
| 15:34.48 | abrotman | basix: you alreayd have it installed? |
| 15:35.10 | basix | abrotman, no. i'm running F7 right now. |
| 15:35.33 | abrotman | basix: i'm not sure which ICH that has .. so that might be an issue, and also the 965 should work in X but not 100% certain |
| 15:35.36 | basix | abrotman, its running fine but i'm tired of the stupid package management system! :( |
| 15:35.50 | abrotman | in debian lspci is in pciutils .. dunno about FC7 |
| 15:36.00 | basix | abrotman, what version of X comes along with Etch? If I knew, i'd check it out |
| 15:36.07 | kblin | can anyone recommend a small web proxy that can be run by a user? I want to use a ssh tunnel to get out of my local network and to the web proxy on a remote box, but the proxy only needs to be running when the tunnel is open |
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| 15:36.25 | w0jtas` | anyone is using linux-vserver here ?? |
| 15:36.38 | abrotman | basix: 7.1 |
| 15:37.12 | basix | abrotman, okay. btw my question is still unanswered. do i need the entire DVD set before i can install the system? or there are just waay too many packages? |
| 15:37.45 | abrotman | basix: no .. you can use the netinst .. and it's way easier .. if you've already downloaded the DVDs .. you can just burn the first one and that should be sufficient to install |
| 15:38.24 | basix | abrotman, i dont have a good internet connection. thats the whole reason for downloading the DVDs. |
| 15:38.28 | troythetechguy | Sorry, had to step away again. If I understand, I can set up a cron job to run the apt-get update/upgrade daily? |
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| 15:39.25 | abrotman | basix: how fast isi t? |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | troythetechguy: you really shouldn't have it do the upgrade automagically |
| 15:39.53 | basix | abrotman, its capped and its only 256Kbps ( thats bits not bytes ) |
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| 15:40.16 | abrotman | capped as in? you can only download a certain amount per month? |
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| 15:40.56 | petemc | troythetechguy: theres a package called cron-apt that does the legwork for you, but as you've been told, its a bad idea to blindly update |
| 15:41.38 | basix | abrotman, yup |
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| 15:42.40 | troythetechguy | The reason being is because I want to see what's being upgraded before it's done, right? |
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| 15:44.31 | troythetechguy | To keep my pc (running Debian etch & Apache) updated against security breeches, is there anything else I need to do beside running apt-get update/upgrade? Will this also include any updates for apache, or do I need to do something separate? |
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| 15:45.19 | fignew | troythetechguy: Apache will update itself if it was installed with apt |
| 15:45.25 | sneex | stand stuff, yes ... |
| 15:45.32 | sneex | standard* |
| 15:45.33 | fignew | you'll have to reboot for kernel upgrades |
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| 15:45.57 | fignew | errm kernel security updates |
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| 15:46.46 | fignew | you still want to check logs though |
| 15:47.03 | basix | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/42888 check this out. lspci of my config. please tell me if its okay? |
| 15:48.13 | stew | troythetechguy: for software installed from debian's main mirrors, running apt-get update/upgrade should be enough to keep up with security. you may with to subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce to be notified when updates have been made available |
| 15:48.32 | troythetechguy | fignew, Because I'm new to all this, my question maybe elementary, but when you say apache updates itself, does this mean when I run apt-get, or does it just update on its own? |
| 15:48.53 | fignew | sorry, when you run apt-get update/upgrade |
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| 15:49.39 | sneex | but only stanard apache stuff gets updated -- if you have added custom mods then you are on your own mostly |
| 15:49.43 | sneex | standard* |
| 15:49.47 | tziku | hello, i already installed php4 but is not working. What is the utility name to enable it ? (i know it something). |
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| 15:50.05 | w0jtas` | tziku: do you mean a2enmod ? |
| 15:50.14 | tziku | yes yes :) thanks |
| 15:50.22 | w0jtas` | np. |
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| 15:50.40 | twobitsp1ite | which package provides resize2fs? |
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| 15:51.28 | petemc | troythetechguy: e2fsprogs /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:51.38 | petemc | twobitsp1ite: ^^ |
| 15:51.46 | twobitsp1ite | thanks |
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| 15:53.30 | Hadaka | hey, what's the power management for laptop package set of choice these days? gnome-power-manager, hal and what? pm-utils, acpid, acpi-support, etc? |
| 15:53.39 | troythetechguy | fignew, That's what I thought. Thank you. |
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| 15:54.55 | fignew | troythetechguy: setting up apache & other servers is a great way to learn Linux. |
| 15:54.58 | fignew | good luck :) |
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| 15:55.55 | troythetechguy | fignew, Thank you. Do you know of any beginner documentation for apache that you'd recommend? Most of the stuff I found online is a bit over my head at this time. |
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| 15:57.07 | elmo40 | troythetechguy: what do you need to do? just open the httpd.conf file and read it. Many comments in it already. |
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| 15:57.51 | Ki0wa | Hi AllZ |
| 15:58.02 | abrotman | basix: if we had known about the cap before .. the netinst is totally the way to go |
| 15:58.23 | abrotman | basix: i "think" ICH8 works with etch |
| 15:58.32 | Ki0wa | how i can install python 2.4.2 ? |
| 15:58.50 | basix | abrotman, hmm... what packages reside on DVD3? as that is the only one missing... |
| 15:59.00 | troythetechguy | elmo40, Maybe that's where my confusion comes in; my httpd.conf file is empty. The file location is /etc/apache2/httpd.conf. Is this right? |
| 15:59.02 | fignew | troythetechguy: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server looks pretty good |
| 15:59.17 | fignew | troythetechguy: hmm, it shouldn't be empty |
| 15:59.27 | fignew | is there anything else in that directory? |
| 15:59.27 | Ki0wa | how i can install python 2.4.2 ? |
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| 15:59.33 | abrotman | basix: the least installed .. you can use the DVD1/2 for most of your stuff, and include http sources for security updates, and what would have been on DVD3 |
| 15:59.37 | elmo40 | oh, you didnt say apache2... |
| 15:59.51 | elmo40 | fignew: apache2 doesnt use it |
| 15:59.58 | stew | Ki0wa: is there a reason that 2.4.4 wouldn't work for you? |
| 16:00.25 | Ki0wa | stew i must to do bittorent |
| 16:00.25 | elmo40 | troythetechguy: i think there is an apache2.conf file... dont remember now, i went back to apache1. |
| 16:00.30 | basix | abrotman, can you tell me the kernel version of Debian 4.0r1? |
| 16:00.31 | troythetechguy | elmo40 fignew I thought I read somewhere that apache2 does not use it. Should I be using a different version of apache for beginning? |
| 16:00.32 | fignew | elmo40: that's right, I'm a lighttpd guy... last time I used apache was back at like 1.3.20 :P |
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| 16:00.50 | fignew | troythetechguy: no, apache2 is what you want |
| 16:00.58 | abrotman | basix: 2.6.18 |
| 16:01.00 | stew | Ki0wa: what version of debian are you running? the bittorrent or bittornado packages in debian will work with the version of python they are shipped with, "aptitude install bittorent" or "aptitude bittornado" |
| 16:01.15 | stew | Ki0wa: but rtorrent is better and not dependent on python |
| 16:01.17 | basix | abrotman, thats the latest?? |
| 16:01.26 | Ki0wa | stew i looked this faq http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-command-line-bittorrent-client.html |
| 16:01.46 | elmo40 | troythetechguy: apache1 or apache2, doesnt matter. |
| 16:01.52 | abrotman | basix: that's the one in etch .. there are newer kernels at backports.org |
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| 16:02.01 | Ki0wa | stew: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 16:02.08 | elmo40 | troythetechguy: look for another .conf file... |
| 16:02.11 | abrotman | basix: but officially, it's 2.6.18 (not sure if they are planning the mid-etch updates still or not,stew?) |
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| 16:02.41 | basix | abrotman, hmm.. |
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| 16:03.14 | stew | abrotman: i haven't heard anything about that since the initial announcement |
| 16:03.21 | troythetechguy | Well, it look like I need to labor over some apache2 manuals. At this time I have apache2 installed, and I'm able to access my pc running apache from outside the LAN (that in itself took awhile to configure)! My next step it to lean how to set up a secure username and password page for access to the server. |
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| 16:03.45 | elmo40 | troythetechguy: fun times |
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| 16:03.58 | abrotman | basix: there are also unofficial installers with newer kernels |
| 16:04.19 | stew | Ki0wa: i would't recommend following that guide. i'd recommend you either "aptitude install bittorrent" if you want the official client, "aptitude install bittornado" if you want a slightly better client, or install rtorrent from sarge-backports if you want an even better client, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:04.22 | dokma | I installed a new kernel and have setup fallback to prevent being locked out of dedicated box. New kernel did not boot and the fallback saved me. Where can I check what went wrong with the new kernel? Which logs? |
| 16:04.45 | basix | abrotman, i dont think so i'll be using them |
| 16:05.12 | basix | abrotman, once installed, if i upgrade the kernel, whats the latest kernel? |
| 16:05.23 | fignew | troythetechguy: look into .htaccess :) |
| 16:05.31 | stew | dokma: likely there are no logs, because likely it didn't get far enough in the boot process to mount any filesystems in order to be able to write to logs |
| 16:05.42 | elmo40 | fignew: that is it ;) |
| 16:05.51 | dokma | stew: yeah, that makes sense |
| 16:05.57 | abrotman | basix: in etch .. still 2.6.18 |
| 16:06.15 | dokma | I can't see any reasonable way to resolve the problem |
| 16:06.15 | abrotman | basix: you can of course compile any kernel you'd like |
| 16:06.30 | basix | abrotman, i dont think i'll want to do that :P |
| 16:06.43 | Ki0wa | stew i must to use a client torrent wich is not GUi. |
| 16:07.03 | Ki0wa | i wat to administr the downloads with shell |
| 16:07.06 | Ki0wa | want* |
| 16:07.14 | abrotman | basix: well .. like i said, you can compile any kernel you'd like .. or see backports.org for a 2.6.22 |
| 16:07.27 | fignew | Ki0wa: rtorrent |
| 16:07.40 | basix | abrotman, the unstable repo wont have the newer kernels? |
| 16:07.41 | stew | Ki0wa: bittorrent and bittornado provide a "btdownloadcurses" and "btdownloadheadless". rtorrent is a ncurses (text) based client |
| 16:08.17 | abrotman | basix: the backports.org has a kernel version compiled for etch from unstable sources |
| 16:08.31 | Ki0wa | stew ok, then i must to install rtorrent |
| 16:08.39 | basix | abrotman, okay...lets hope or the best :P |
| 16:08.40 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: there's also mldonkey which runs as a daemon in the background which you can telnet into to manage torrents |
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| 16:08.50 | abrotman | basix: have you already backed up your data ? |
| 16:09.04 | Ki0wa | how i can install rtorrent? |
| 16:09.24 | neotic | apt-get install rtorrent |
| 16:09.40 | Ki0wa | ok |
| 16:10.14 | basix | abrotman, yup, one question though, if i run some command which produces too much output and pipe it to more ( like some-cmd | more ), the output still scrolls. how do i keep that from happening? |
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| 16:10.19 | Ki0wa | neotic: E: Couldn't find package rtorrent |
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| 16:11.12 | stew | Ki0wa: this is becuase it wasn't available when the old version of debian you are running was released. you can get rtorrent from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo ; make sure you are using sarge-backports and not etch-backports |
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| 16:11.25 | abrotman | basix: scrolls off the screen? it might think you have more $LINES than you actually do |
| 16:11.26 | twobitsp1ite | is there a way to get aptitude to stop telling me which packages have been kept-back? |
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| 16:11.34 | Ki0wa | stew look, aptitude install rtorrent |
| 16:11.34 | Ki0wa | E: /usr/lib/libsh/.aptitude - mkdir (13 Permission denied) |
| 16:11.37 | Ki0wa | ?? |
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| 16:11.52 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: run as root, or with sudo |
| 16:11.55 | basix | abrotman, for example with X, if i run X --help | more, the output keeps on scrolling..? |
| 16:12.15 | neotic | Ki0wa: as root |
| 16:12.15 | twobitsp1ite | basix: it might be stuff put out on stderr |
| 16:12.16 | Ki0wa | twobitsp1ite: bash: sudo: command not found |
| 16:12.21 | Ki0wa | i'm root |
| 16:12.25 | w0jtas` | which package contains 'killall' ?? |
| 16:12.27 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: whoami |
| 16:12.31 | neotic | w0jtas`: haha :D |
| 16:12.42 | Ki0wa | twobitsp1ite ? |
| 16:12.50 | neotic | Ki0wa: write: whoami |
| 16:12.53 | abrotman | basix: oh .. | more should work |
| 16:12.54 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: the command "whoami" |
| 16:13.03 | fignew | w0jtas`: psmisc |
| 16:13.11 | Ki0wa | whoami |
| 16:13.12 | Ki0wa | root |
| 16:13.13 | basix | abrotman, try it out on your system and tell me if it works. |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | it does |
| 16:13.31 | basix | twobitsp1ite, okay. |
| 16:13.33 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: and you get Permission Denied while running as root?? |
| 16:13.34 | stew | Ki0wa: what does "echo $HOME" return? |
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| 16:13.55 | Ki0wa | echo $HOME |
| 16:13.55 | Ki0wa | /usr/lib/libsh |
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| 16:14.10 | Maenad | echo 1 |
| 16:14.13 | Maenad | lol |
| 16:14.26 | twobitsp1ite | Maenad: I don't get it |
| 16:14.53 | Maenad | is there some guide online that explains how to get a debian web server up and running from a fresh netinstall? |
| 16:14.56 | neotic | Ki0wa: write: HOME=/root |
| 16:15.21 | Maenad | i technically have it up and running, but i dont know how to do certain things like enable php and install mysql, and i cant find httpd.conf to change the document root |
| 16:15.22 | Ki0wa | nothing |
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| 16:15.30 | twobitsp1ite | why is your HOME set to /usr/lib/libsh?? |
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| 16:15.48 | stew | Ki0wa: /usr/lib/libsh is a strange place for your HOME. is that what is listed in "getent passwd root" ? |
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| 16:17.07 | Ki0wa | stew i'm italian.. i can't understand everything you say |
| 16:17.27 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: type: getent passwd root |
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| 16:17.30 | Maenad | im greek =) |
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| 16:17.39 | Maenad | μολον λαβε |
| 16:17.43 | Ki0wa | ok |
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| 16:18.23 | Ki0wa | twobitsp1ite done |
| 16:18.27 | Ki0wa | nothing.. |
| 16:18.29 | netgear | abrotman, you in? |
| 16:18.30 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: what does it say? |
| 16:18.32 | twobitsp1ite | nothing? |
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| 16:18.34 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:18.35 | Ki0wa | yes |
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| 16:18.58 | twobitsp1ite | Ki0wa: I don't know what you did, but your system is all messed up |
| 16:19.00 | impiety | where can i get an updated list of debian repositories |
| 16:19.04 | netgear | abrotman, i have some questions regarding the option gt max 7.2 ready hsdpa card |
| 16:19.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:19.14 | abrotman | i don't have one though |
| 16:19.15 | blq | What could it be caused by that I am able to see the sound output at the arts controll tool, have double checked the cables and amplifier power, have double checked the alsamixers and still be unable to hear any sound? (I'm using a NForce2 Soundstorm onboard soundcard) I've gathered some information here: http://pastebin.ca/784157 |
| 16:19.18 | Ronin | !tell impiety about mirrors |
| 16:19.31 | impiety | Ronin: Thanks |
| 16:19.35 | netgear | debian picks up the device, as usb drive i presume |
| 16:19.46 | Ki0wa | twobitsp1ite i can update the last version ? |
| 16:19.57 | netgear | i installed that .deb nozimo you told me to |
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| 16:20.15 | netgear | but when using lspci i dont see the device |
| 16:20.32 | abrotman | try lsusb |
| 16:20.34 | netgear | i only see some generic device |
| 16:20.49 | netgear | ok i will have to reboot for that - im on win again |
| 16:20.53 | netgear | another thing swap |
| 16:20.53 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 16:21.02 | abrotman | and you have no internet without it ? |
| 16:21.07 | netgear | it had issues with swap - i did manual partitioning |
| 16:21.09 | netgear | yes |
| 16:21.16 | abrotman | okay .. i thought so .. |
| 16:21.25 | netgear | so uswsusp had to try and mount it |
| 16:21.29 | netgear | but it didnt work |
| 16:21.37 | abrotman | that's for suspend .. nto swap |
| 16:21.40 | troythetechguy | One last question: does anyone know why the ssh prompt for password is extremely slow when accessing my older pc (150MHZ 32MB RAM). Could it be due to the low system resources? I though it was accessing faster when I first set it up. |
| 16:22.05 | basix | isn't there anybody with Intel 965 chipset in this channel??? |
| 16:22.33 | abrotman | basix: i'm sure someone does |
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| 16:22.59 | nvz | I got a 915 in the laptop IIRC |
| 16:23.06 | nvz | but what difference does it make |
| 16:23.21 | netgear | abrotman - so why would there be a issue with the swap i had created? |
| 16:23.59 | netgear | do i still need swap if i had 2gb memory? |
| 16:24.23 | keith4 | "need"? |
| 16:24.40 | keith4 | you only ever "need" swap if you use more memory than you have, technically |
| 16:24.43 | epsilon | depends how much of 2GB you use |
| 16:24.52 | keith4 | you can get by without it if you never use all of your memory |
| 16:24.53 | netgear | not much |
| 16:25.01 | streuner | usually no, but in case RAM is full its useful to have sway (no data lost) |
| 16:25.06 | netgear | keith4 youre not from knoxville are you? |
| 16:25.11 | streuner | s/sway/swap/ |
| 16:25.14 | keith4 | netgear: nope |
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| 16:25.47 | streuner | !listvals 965 |
| 16:25.48 | netgear | anyone using 3g pcmcia card? |
| 16:25.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of '965' by value (15 of 16): 104! ;; 127! ;; 130! ;; 143! ;; 2000!pt12 ;; 2000!pt16 ;; 2000!pt4 ;; 55! ;; 96! ;; CMD: reduce (.*?) lameness ;; bustedphp4 ;; early floyd ;; iwlwifi ;; jmicron ;; rfc1333. |
| 16:26.17 | hoxu | !query |
| 16:26.18 | dpkg | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query dpkg" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 16:26.19 | hoxu | !or else |
| 16:26.19 | dpkg | or bob2 will cry. |
| 16:26.26 | mne | hi, i would like to use the new nvidia beta driver (it contains a fix for an annoying problem). I didn't see anything in experimental yet. For obvious reasons i don't want to use nvidias installer. |
| 16:26.35 | keith4 | basix: i have 945 chipset, fwiw |
| 16:27.14 | streuner | mne: Debian's packages (nvidia) are downloaded and debianized... |
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| 16:28.04 | streuner | mne: /msg dpkg simple sid backport , it should help to make (create) a simple package |
| 16:28.36 | vanksi | how do i change the current locale in console? i can change it from teminal->character encoding but i must change it everytime i open a new console window |
| 16:28.47 | mne | streuner, right. but i found no information how to debianize them. i tried to use the old debian tree (that also contains 5 sourcecode patches). however, it does not work. also the patches are for the current (non-beta) driver version |
| 16:29.25 | streuner | mne: so nvidia-glx package (source) isnt enough infos about? |
| 16:29.51 | impiety | i keep getting this locales error, i've looked for ways to remedy the situation, however none of the methods are working |
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| 16:30.11 | mne | streuner, hmm, not really. i can use the debian/rules, but the pacthes any everything else is version specific |
| 16:30.13 | streuner | impiety: let us guss, you are running unstable? :-) |
| 16:30.22 | impiety | streuner: yeah... |
| 16:30.32 | impiety | streuner: I take it that's the problem |
| 16:30.35 | streuner | How about to read BTS? |
| 16:30.58 | twobitsp1ite | !tell impiety about bts |
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| 16:31.36 | streuner | impiety: in case you already have that, apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 16:31.45 | streuner | dont* |
| 16:32.11 | streuner | mne: iam out of ideas then |
| 16:32.25 | impiety | thanks a lot |
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| 16:33.12 | bahadunn | is it safe? is it secret? |
| 16:33.22 | mne | streuner, hmm, i'll have a look if i can integrate the patches manually. maybe that will work. without patches it doesn't want to compile. the beta driver would be nice since it fixed a problem with glx and xv. |
| 16:33.38 | twobitsp1ite | bahadunn: my precious!! |
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| 16:33.51 | bahadunn | twobitsp1ite: careful now |
| 16:33.53 | streuner | !maint nvidia-glx |
| 16:34.13 | netgear | what dev would a usb interface modem be if serial is ttyS1 etc? |
| 16:34.15 | bahadunn | twobitsp1ite: precious is not on topic here |
| 16:34.38 | mne | streuner, yeah, i could mail them... and they will possibly answer that they don't want to package a beta driver :P |
| 16:34.48 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: Debian NVIDIA Maintainers <pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 16:35.10 | twobitsp1ite | dpkg: ping |
| 16:35.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:35.13 | streuner | mne: sure, but maybe he give you an hint to do that (own package) |
| 16:35.30 | mne | streuner, thank's. i'll try it. |
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| 16:37.31 | streuner | mne: besides, experimental packages arent in the mirrors ;-) |
| 16:38.05 | mne | streuner, i had a look at http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 16:38.15 | puchu | hi |
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| 16:38.28 | puchu | where can i find a overview of suits i can use with debootstrap? |
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| 16:39.03 | streuner | mne: experiemental is a playground, so its up to Randall he create one or not |
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| 16:39.55 | mne | streuner, i'll just ask the nvidia-glx maintainers. maybe they can help me writing patches for the nvidia beta driver. |
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| 16:42.47 | spal | hi! I did an "aptitude update" and then an "aptiude dist-upgrade" from Etch to Lenny. Now, when I do "aptitude install pidgin", it selects no package:- 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 52 not upgraded. - I can't find "pidgin" in the aptitude user interface too. what may be the problem? |
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| 16:45.10 | projectuber | Jey |
| 16:45.13 | projectuber | Hey |
| 16:45.27 | hoxu | spal, what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:45.29 | n0x | is there a place where apt stores packages u installed ? even if u removed them ? |
| 16:45.46 | azeem | n0x: /var/cache/apt/archves |
| 16:45.48 | azeem | archives* |
| 16:46.06 | n0x | will it hurt if i clear it ? |
| 16:46.21 | azeem | n0x: no, it's a cache |
| 16:46.27 | azeem | unless you think you need those .debs for later |
| 16:46.27 | n0x | k |
| 16:46.27 | hoxu | n0x, apt-get clean |
| 16:46.35 | n0x | apt-get clean didnt work |
| 16:46.49 | azeem | !didn't work |
| 16:46.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:46.53 | n0x | i tried to reinstall a package and it wanted a dir i had to remove manually |
| 16:47.04 | n0x | and well the dir is deleted now... |
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| 16:47.30 | azeem | n0x: what die? |
| 16:47.31 | azeem | dir* |
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| 16:47.53 | n0x | chown: cannot access `/etc/privoxy/user.action': No such file or directory |
| 16:47.53 | n0x | chown: cannot access `/etc/privoxy/trust': No such file or directory |
| 16:47.55 | spal | hoxu: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 16:47.56 | spal | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
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| 16:49.03 | spal | hoxu: ignore it. pidgin is installed.i didn't check it properly |
| 16:49.11 | hoxu | heh |
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| 16:49.13 | projectuber | How can i tell which debian version I am currently using? |
| 16:49.25 | hoxu | projectuber, /etc/debian_version |
| 16:49.25 | wols_ | !version |
| 16:49.25 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 16:49.54 | hoxu | !prize me |
| 16:50.07 | n0x | dpkg: error processing tor (--configure): |
| 16:50.07 | n0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.07 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 16:50.07 | impiety | aww |
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| 16:50.24 | hoxu | !tell n0x about paste |
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| 16:50.26 | impiety | woo...I'm glad I came here, that bts stuff resolved my problem |
| 16:50.50 | projectuber | ah thanks wols |
| 16:51.02 | zirc0n | hey, i've got a question about mutt (i've asked in #mutt but everyones idle, but i run it on debian :) ... my question is does anyone know if its possible to ignore updates in certain directories on an imap server? in particular i don't want to be notified everytime [Gmail]/* changes |
| 16:51.30 | atlfalcons | how can i install debian if i already have 3 Parititons |
| 16:51.34 | n0x | maybe a better question, how do i reinstall a package, complete with all the config files ? |
| 16:51.46 | azeem | !confmiss |
| 16:51.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:51.55 | atlfalcons | !partitions |
| 16:51.56 | dpkg | somebody said partitions was Don't use multiple partitions unless you have a good reason to do so and understand the ramifications! The Sarge installer recommends only a swap partition and a root (/) partition, this is perfectly fine for just about everybody. |
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| 16:52.52 | hoxu | atlfalcons, you mean you have three full partitions and need space to install debian? |
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| 16:53.11 | Xteven | hi |
| 16:53.19 | hoxu | atlfalcons, or more like, three partitions spanning a full disk? |
| 16:53.25 | Xteven | how can I disable the entire persistent net thing on etch ? (udev) |
| 16:53.28 | n0x | it didnt work |
| 16:53.28 | atlfalcons | 3 paritions spanning a disk |
| 16:53.34 | atlfalcons | is there a max of 3 |
| 16:53.41 | n0x | i don't know how to fix it :/ |
| 16:53.51 | petemc | Xteven: /msg dpkg x25 |
| 16:53.56 | petemc | ermm z25 |
| 16:54.03 | Xteven | ok thx |
| 16:54.27 | hoxu | n0x, we don't know either, unless you tell us what was the problem |
| 16:54.28 | spal | cat /etc/debian_version shows the versioin as "lenny/sid". why sid? I upgraded to lenny only. |
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| 16:55.12 | n0x | well i removed a package, useing apt-get remove privoxy hten i rm -fr the conf dir because they were still there |
| 16:55.22 | hoxu | spal, don't worry, I'm on sid and mine says lenny/sid as well, it's all balanced in the end... ;) |
| 16:55.24 | n0x | now when i reinstall it doesnt recreate the config files |
| 16:55.28 | troythetechguy | I see this when running ssh-vvv [debug1: An invalid name was supplied]. What does it mean, and how can I fix it? |
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| 16:56.16 | bulio | I downloaded a .deb, but how can I install its dependencies? |
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| 16:56.33 | bulio | it requires 10 things, and is there a command just to have dpkg download them all? |
| 16:56.33 | basix | abrotman, i need to pass linux generic.all_generic_ide=1 irqpoll and set my BIOS to AHCI ( under the drive configuration ). This is for Intel DG965RY motherboard. |
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| 16:56.51 | stew | bulio: "dpkg -i foo.deb ; aptitude -f install" the first fails with missing dependencies, the second fixes the dependencies |
| 16:57.22 | hoxu | stew, that works? Cool, thanks for the info :) |
| 16:57.45 | atlfalcons | does debian support jfs |
| 16:58.40 | n0x | okay here |
| 16:58.40 | bulio | does anyone know where I can get the bittorrent client transmission |
| 16:58.42 | n0x | http://pastebin.ca/784275 |
| 16:58.50 | n0x | thats the erors and the whole mess i made |
| 16:58.52 | n0x | http://pastebin.ca/784275 |
| 16:58.55 | n0x | have a peek |
| 16:58.56 | bulio | etch's version is .61, official is .93 |
| 16:59.05 | n0x | idk how to fix all that crap |
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| 16:59.45 | puchu | hi |
| 16:59.58 | puchu | can i somewhere find debootstrap for mispsel? |
| 17:00.01 | puchu | mipsel |
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| 17:00.30 | robboplus_ | hm does anyone know if enabling promisc on eth0 can cause networking performance issues? |
| 17:00.30 | azeem | puchu: debootstrap is arch-independent |
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| 17:00.41 | azeem | at least in testing/unstable |
| 17:00.58 | puchu | but can i somehwere find a binary mipsel version? |
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| 17:01.17 | n0x | anyideas ? |
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| 17:02.28 | abrotman | basix: okay .. on the installer command line do that |
| 17:02.48 | stew | puchu: you mean you need one that is binary instead of perl/sh ? |
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| 17:03.03 | puchu | yeah |
| 17:03.04 | hoxu | robboplus_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promiscuous_mode - "the latency of network responses will also increase, which can be detected." |
| 17:03.16 | basix | abrotman, yeah. btw i want an opinion of XFS. I know its really good and FAST. But how fault tolerant is it? Also can i access it from my windoze partition ( please no flames! ) |
| 17:03.19 | stew | puchu: http://packages.debian.org/cdebootstrap |
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| 17:04.01 | wols_ | basix: no access from windows |
| 17:04.08 | wols_ | !xfs |
| 17:04.09 | dpkg | xfs is probably "the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures." |
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| 17:04.34 | puchu | cool thanks |
| 17:05.04 | abrotman | basix: i use ext3 where it matters |
| 17:05.33 | abrotman | basix: /msg dpkg explore2fs .. for info about ext2/3 from win32 |
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| 17:06.01 | n0x | anyone have any ideas how i can fix this ? http://pastebin.ca/784275 |
| 17:06.02 | n0x | ? |
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| 17:06.17 | basix | abrotman, me too :P i've always used ext2/3 but i really wanna try out XFS. Guess i'll try it out this time :P |
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| 17:08.07 | robboplus_ | hoxu... hmm... |
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| 17:08.53 | robboplus_ | hoxu and does it make any sense that i'm getting ridiculously low speeds with my ip aliases while i get full speed with main ip? the interface is set to promisc and there is a br0 in there, i don't get it |
| 17:09.13 | hardwire | anybody else using lenny and suffering from awesome amounts of operating system clock skew? |
| 17:09.18 | robboplus_ | same physical box, just different ip |
| 17:09.31 | hardwire | every 30 seconds my clock is set back 4 seconds |
| 17:09.38 | hardwire | hwclock is fine |
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| 17:09.56 | XoX | what is a MII tranciever and why realtek dosent have one |
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| 17:10.17 | robboplus_ | XoX because rtl sucks ass? |
| 17:10.27 | robboplus_ | hardwire ntpdate |
| 17:10.35 | twobitsprite | I just built myself a live cd, but when I boot from it, fdisk -l doesn't show any devices and I can't mount /dev/hda1 ... |
| 17:10.39 | hardwire | robboplus_: no kidding!? |
| 17:10.47 | hardwire | and just like magic that will fix my issews!? |
| 17:11.06 | hardwire | robboplus_: I've been measuring it by using ntpdate :) |
| 17:11.07 | robboplus_ | hardwire no, it takes a bit of brain as well as you might want to run it |
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| 17:11.23 | robboplus_ | you don't measure that way.. you sync time with ntpdate :) |
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| 17:11.33 | Decepticun | test |
| 17:11.39 | hardwire | I'm measuring how horribly far behind my clock gets with it. |
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| 17:12.07 | stew | hardwire: are you running inside vmware? lots of people running vmware are seemingly having similar problems |
| 17:12.18 | hardwire | stew: newp.. |
| 17:12.18 | cahoot | hardwire: what kind of mobo/chipset? nforce? |
| 17:12.23 | stew | hardwire: you should install the ntp package which runs a daemon that will constantly sync your clock |
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| 17:12.37 | hardwire | ok.. sorry.. hi :) |
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| 17:12.53 | twobitsprite | do I need to install a package to be able to mount my harddrive... lspci says I have an intel 82801GBM/GHM SATA controller... |
| 17:13.02 | hardwire | ntp isn't a solution |
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| 17:13.06 | hardwire | it is, but not really |
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| 17:13.19 | robboplus_ | hardwire you are running amd, aren't you? |
| 17:13.23 | hardwire | if nobody is having this issue, then its isolated and I can try to focus on my system |
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| 17:13.59 | gamag | how can I uninstall GNome and install KDE instead? |
| 17:14.50 | hardwire | stew: there should be some sort of IRC ranking to show people as "not a newb" |
| 17:14.50 | cast | gamag: yes. |
| 17:15.19 | gamag | cast: question was "how" ? :-) |
| 17:15.24 | stew | hardwire: no |
| 17:15.28 | hardwire | no? |
| 17:15.30 | hardwire | http://www.poaexp.com/sspencer-o745/lshw.html |
| 17:15.32 | hardwire | anyhoot.. |
| 17:15.55 | hardwire | I didn't find anything in the debian bug reports for the kernel or in general |
| 17:16.13 | hardwire | this wouldn't bug me so much if it didn't exists over reboots. |
| 17:16.18 | cast | gamag: lol. my bad. install the 'kde' package |
| 17:16.38 | hoxu | gamag, you could also try kdebase for minimal install |
| 17:16.44 | gamag | I have lots of apps installed like Iceweasel, Pidgin, Openoffice. would they run just fine with KDE? I am going to use KDE for the first time |
| 17:16.55 | cast | they would run fine. |
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| 17:17.04 | hoxu | gamag, just install kde and test it out, when you are comfortable you can remove gnome |
| 17:17.15 | gamag | how can I remove gnome later? |
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| 17:17.21 | twobitsprite | does anyone know what kernel module I need on my live cd to mount my SATA drives? |
| 17:17.30 | robboplus_ | hardwire i asked you a question... do you use AMD cpu in that machine? |
| 17:17.38 | bahadunn | twobitsprite: depends on what sata controller you have |
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| 17:17.45 | hardwire | robboplus_: http://www.poaexp.com/sspencer-o745/lshw.html |
| 17:17.45 | twobitsprite | bahadunn: intel |
| 17:17.49 | Sufixx | Hi, does anyone know why this line in crontab "2 0 * * chmod o+r /home/sufixx/log/irc/#gimp-pl/`date +%Y/%m/%d`.txt" does not work? |
| 17:17.52 | gamag | I have heard that KDE is faster and very light weight. About how much less space than GNome it occupies on the hard disk? |
| 17:17.54 | hoxu | gamag, I'd use aptitude and mark packages I don't need automatically installed in the gnome category |
| 17:17.56 | robboplus_ | hardwire can't you just tell me? |
| 17:17.56 | dserban | any known problems with the nautilus package currently? Aptitude complains that it depends on a virtual package, though I can't find any bug reports on b.d.o and yes I'm running sid :). |
| 17:18.00 | twobitsprite | bahadunn: "00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01)" |
| 17:18.04 | bahadunn | twobitsprite: if it was not auto detected that is not a good sign |
| 17:18.07 | hardwire | robboplus_: its a core 2 duo |
| 17:18.25 | twobitsprite | bahadunn: well... this is a minimal live-cd... should it detect that? |
| 17:18.34 | robboplus_ | hardwire basically there might be issues like that on multicore machines... |
| 17:18.36 | hoxu | Sufixx, read man 5 crontab, you need five fields, not four |
| 17:18.40 | AbsintheSyringe | gamag, I've been kde fan for years, and belive it or not I'm thinking of moving back to gnome, kde is not lite, gnome is way liter |
| 17:18.51 | hardwire | robboplus_: maybe? |
| 17:18.51 | twobitsprite | I mean; debian had no problems detecting when I installed originally... it's just the live cd that doesn't see it |
| 17:19.05 | hardwire | anybody else with multi core cpu's having massive clock skew issues under normal load? |
| 17:19.05 | gamag | hoxu: so if I find anything with the name 'gnome' in aptitude, I should mark it as automatically installed? |
| 17:19.14 | rubymonk | AbsintheSyringe, I did this... then I felt gnome was too heavy... I now run xfce :P |
| 17:19.20 | robboplus_ | hardwire it has to do with timing differences on those cores |
| 17:19.25 | hoxu | gamag, anything you feel you don't need anymore :) |
| 17:19.41 | Sufixx | hoxu: sorry, wrong paste - I've got 5 fields |
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| 17:19.42 | AbsintheSyringe | rubymonk, well yea if you wanna go lite, then yea xfce is a definete \m/ :) |
| 17:19.43 | gamag | rubymonk: you also felt GNome is lighter than KDE? |
| 17:19.47 | bahadunn | twobitsprite: depends on the kernel and what it has enabled in it |
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| 17:19.51 | cast | if you want faster and lightweight stay away from gnome or kde me thinks |
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| 17:20.00 | twobitsprite | bahadunn: default kernel for lenny |
| 17:20.05 | robboplus_ | hardwire what you need to fix is the kernel, one of my boxes went back just 40 seconds in 72 days up.. |
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| 17:20.12 | rubymonk | gamag, Yes, but I heard they did some effort... try it out, I dono how it is now |
| 17:20.18 | stew | hardwire: do you have some reason that you wouldn't want to run ntpd which is a good idea since all clocks skew anyway, and would probably fix this problem? |
| 17:20.19 | bahadunn | twobitsprite: what is that 2.6.22? |
| 17:20.30 | hoxu | Sufixx, you could create a wrapper script where you put the command and then just call that from cron |
| 17:20.30 | rubymonk | xfce runs fine |
| 17:20.37 | twobitsprite | lemme check |
| 17:20.39 | robboplus_ | hardwire though the problem is more likely to appear on amd machine than intel one so i'm suprised |
| 17:20.43 | hardwire | stew: 4 seconds every 30 seconds is above the norm |
| 17:20.46 | gamag | rubymonk: I am currently running GNome but I have read that KDE is better in the Linus-Schaller flame war in gnome list |
| 17:20.48 | rubymonk | I hate to have to wait for a window to appear |
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| 17:20.52 | gamag | so I want to use KDE |
| 17:20.52 | rubymonk | I feel I waste time |
| 17:20.52 | hardwire | I don't mind running ntpd, but thats not a good fix. |
| 17:21.01 | stew | hardwire: why isn't it a good fix? |
| 17:21.03 | robboplus_ | ... |
| 17:21.12 | twobitsprite | bahadunn: 2.6.22-2 |
| 17:21.19 | robboplus_ | stew he can't listen.. i just told him what's wrong |
| 17:21.23 | hardwire | stew: because my clock would jump forward all the time |
| 17:21.25 | hardwire | like, a lot |
| 17:21.28 | robboplus_ | and i'm sure about it as i went tru that before |
| 17:21.29 | stew | hardwire: no, it woulnd't |
| 17:21.46 | hardwire | and ntpd has a hard enough time handling this skew since it has a default upper bound of how many seconds it can skew by on each update. |
| 17:21.54 | hardwire | I've been running ntpd on it |
| 17:21.59 | hardwire | and its still running slow |
| 17:22.12 | stew | hardwire: what is the default upper bound of how many seconds it can skew by each update? |
| 17:22.17 | hardwire | I have to stop the ntpd process and run ntpdate by hand |
| 17:22.30 | hardwire | stew: I'm unsure, I know it exists, and it appears to be in the way of this issue |
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| 17:22.46 | bahadunn | twobitsprite: ata_piix? |
| 17:22.55 | bahadunn | twobitsprite: modprobe ata_piix maybe? |
| 17:22.58 | stew | hardwire: is the limit greater than 1 second? |
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| 17:23.22 | rmaj | pidgin-guifications plugin is working not too good out of the box; a fix for it is a single file... should I send the patch to maintainer to include an usable theme instead the borked one? |
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| 17:23.24 | hardwire | stew: admit it, thats a lot of skew |
| 17:23.29 | stew | hardwire: what is? |
| 17:23.39 | twobitsprite | bahadunn: I'll try, thanks |
| 17:23.42 | hardwire | dropping 4 seconds every half minute |
| 17:23.49 | hardwire | you don't think thats just a little odd? |
| 17:23.52 | stew | hardwire: yes, that is a lot. |
| 17:23.54 | stew | hardwire: dunno |
| 17:24.03 | hardwire | I mean.. 28 seconds a week.. thats different |
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| 17:24.35 | hoxu | hardwire, is that from broken hardware or what? |
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| 17:25.16 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: on my nforce board clock skew was related to apic (defective bios) |
| 17:25.19 | dto | my system clock has suddenly gone wrong. i have ntpdate installed, but it doesn't seem to be fixing |
| 17:25.26 | cahoot | hardwire: ^^ |
| 17:25.39 | dto | it says EST but it's still hours off |
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| 17:25.54 | hardwire | dto: got ntpdate? |
| 17:26.02 | hardwire | I'm having a similar issue |
| 17:26.03 | cast | does ntpdate installed mean you've ran ntpdate? |
| 17:26.13 | hardwire | run this |
| 17:26.25 | hardwire | watch -n 15 -d ntpdate bigben.cac.washington.edu |
| 17:26.36 | hardwire | tell me how many seconds you get adjusted by every 15 seconds |
| 17:26.42 | hardwire | I'm at 2 seconds |
| 17:26.55 | hardwire | well. 2.9 |
| 17:27.20 | mbroeker | seconds? |
| 17:27.20 | hardwire | dto: running lenny? |
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| 17:27.32 | mbroeker | or milliseconds? |
| 17:27.38 | hardwire | full seconds |
| 17:27.46 | dto | hardwire: yeah |
| 17:27.51 | dto | er, "testing" anyway |
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| 17:27.56 | hardwire | dto: yeh |
| 17:28.02 | dto | 19 Nov 08:27:26 ntpdate[8451]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 17:28.07 | dto | hmm, i think i also have ntp running |
| 17:28.08 | hardwire | dto: well, your just silly |
| 17:28.12 | hardwire | /etc/init.d/ntp stop |
| 17:28.17 | vanksi | does anyone know howto change the default locale in console? i can change it from terminal->set character encoding but i cant make it default |
| 17:28.17 | hardwire | then run ntpdate |
| 17:28.21 | hardwire | then restart ntp |
| 17:28.26 | humbolto | Is there a way to retrieve an exact cpu model information? something like this Intel® Xeon® processor 7041 instead of Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz version: 15.4.1? |
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| 17:28.38 | hardwire | I hope dto got that :P |
| 17:28.48 | artworx | what's the difference between vserver and non-vserver kernel image? |
| 17:28.53 | jeward | Hi, I'm in the process of upgrading 220+ servers from sarge to etch, but am running into intermittent MySQL 5.0 crashes. I've backported a newer version of MySQL to about 20 servers, but am still experiencing these crashes. I need some help trying to milk reasons for the crashing from MySQL. |
| 17:28.57 | hardwire | artworx: the vserver part |
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| 17:28.59 | cast | hardwire: does /proc/cpuinfo give you anything useful? |
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| 17:29.12 | cast | artworx: vserver allows OS level virtualization |
| 17:29.18 | hardwire | artworx: vserver is a virtualization/jail implementation |
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| 17:29.29 | cast | humbolto even |
| 17:29.29 | hardwire | cast: not rly |
| 17:29.32 | artworx | hardwire: 10x |
| 17:29.37 | twobitsprite | hmm... ata_piix loaded, but it didn't help me mount my hdd |
| 17:29.38 | dto | 19 Nov 12:28:26 ntpdate[8463]: step time server 140.142.16.34 offset 14399.5986 |
| 17:29.39 | dto | 13 sec |
| 17:29.48 | dto | hardwire: thanks, seems to work now |
| 17:29.51 | hardwire | cast: http://www.poaexp.com/sspencer-o745/lshw.html |
| 17:29.58 | hardwire | dto: do me a favor |
| 17:30.01 | hardwire | run that command line above |
| 17:30.06 | jeward | stew: I wanted to ask you what, if anything you have configured for InnoDB in your my.cnf? |
| 17:30.20 | humbolto | cast: nop, cpuinfo sucks even more than lshw (no version info at all). |
| 17:30.21 | hardwire | dto: watch -n 15 -d ntpdate bigben.cac.washington.edu |
| 17:30.42 | stew | dto: install ntpd which syncs your clock continuously |
| 17:30.48 | hardwire | he had it installed |
| 17:30.55 | hardwire | he had to stop it in order to use ntpdate |
| 17:31.09 | dto | oic |
| 17:31.10 | hardwire | in this instance ntpd refused to update anything over 128 seconds in difference |
| 17:31.15 | dto | ahh, cool |
| 17:31.18 | hardwire | thats pretty normal |
| 17:31.23 | dto | i wonder how it got out of whack in the first place? |
| 17:31.30 | hardwire | or, the skew was limited and taking forever to update it |
| 17:31.38 | hardwire | dto: got cats? |
| 17:31.45 | hardwire | mine find neat ways to cause issues |
| 17:31.47 | stew | hardwire: well if 128 is the limit, you'd be able to use it |
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| 17:31.56 | dto | hardwire: :) |
| 17:31.57 | hardwire | stew: thats not the same limit |
| 17:32.03 | dto | no, i have an incontinent dog though |
| 17:32.10 | hardwire | theres the skew amount limit, and the initial adjustment limit |
| 17:32.11 | dto | her name is cookie :-) |
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| 17:32.45 | stew | jeward: i didn't do anything special. i think i'm using the default config with some increased cache sizes |
| 17:32.46 | hardwire | dto: aww pet cookie for me |
| 17:33.18 | jeward | stew: Damn. Any way to get more error logging out of mysqld? |
| 17:33.21 | puchu | when i try this a amd64 sys i get an error .... debootstrap --arch mipsel lenny . ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian/ |
| 17:33.22 | twobitsprite | gah... how do I get console to stop beeping? |
| 17:33.27 | puchu | how can i make this work |
| 17:33.31 | puchu | the chroot doesnt work .... |
| 17:33.33 | hardwire | twobitsprite: modprobe -r pcspkr |
| 17:33.33 | dto | hardwire: she wears a diaper :-) |
| 17:33.34 | hardwire | :) |
| 17:33.37 | stew | hardwire: is your kernel tickless? |
| 17:33.40 | hardwire | dto: my cats need one |
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| 17:34.05 | leobiker | panas, tengo un problema una targeta de red inalambrica NEXXT, instale ndiswrapper para ver si linux la detecta, busque en el cd de instalacion el archivo .inf pero a lo que le doy ejecutar no me instala los drivers |
| 17:34.05 | leobiker | alguien que me ayude? |
| 17:34.08 | FastPutty | hi is it possible to see ack lost segment with tcpdump? |
| 17:34.09 | stew | !es |
| 17:34.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:34.10 | dserban | sorry is there a problem with the nautilus package? |
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| 17:34.19 | hardwire | stew: 2.6.22 |
| 17:34.19 | stew | jeward: i dunno, ask #mysql |
| 17:34.21 | FastPutty | like tshark |
| 17:34.24 | hardwire | debian stock vserver image |
| 17:34.25 | twobitsprite | hardwire: that's good way to do it :) thanks |
| 17:34.27 | hardwire | it has config_hz set |
| 17:34.29 | yetifoot | does anyone have a good recommendation for OCR software? I tried a few, gocr, clara, ocrad, tessarect, and a couple of others, but they weren't good enough to work with an old photocopy of a typewritten document |
| 17:34.32 | cast | twobitsprite: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s8.6.7 too |
| 17:34.36 | jeward | stew: Okay, thanks. |
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| 17:35.01 | stew | hardwire: what does "getconf CLK_TCK" return? |
| 17:35.18 | darkbahamut | hi everyone |
| 17:35.32 | leobiker | >panas, tengo un problema una targeta de red inalambrica NEXXT, instale ndiswrapper para ver si linux la detecta, busque en el cd de instalacion el archivo .inf pero a lo que le doy ejecutar no me instala los drivers |
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| 17:35.54 | fas3r | hello every body |
| 17:35.59 | FastPutty | ls -al |
| 17:36.00 | puchu | is there a way to do a debootstrap from a amd64 sys and get a working mipsel root? |
| 17:36.01 | stew | leobiker: english only in here. if you want to speak spanish, /join #debian-es |
| 17:36.11 | hardwire | stew: 100 |
| 17:36.13 | stew | puchu: yes, with the --arch parameter to debootstrap |
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| 17:36.22 | leobiker | ok sorry, my friends |
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| 17:36.36 | puchu | stew yeah but a only get a sys without all need binaries |
| 17:36.40 | darkbahamut | wols_: you there? |
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| 17:36.45 | fas3r | freeradius eap-leap is authentification by login and password ? |
| 17:36.47 | stew | puchu: what is a binary you need that isnt' installed? |
| 17:37.01 | puchu | apt-get for example |
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| 17:37.13 | stew | puchu: debootstrap would definately install apt-get |
| 17:37.21 | stew | leobiker: "/join #debian-es" not "join #debian-es" |
| 17:37.44 | puchu | stew no |
| 17:37.53 | puchu | im starting it once again to get the error |
| 17:38.23 | darkbahamut | !configure wols_ |
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| 17:39.03 | darkbahamut | ok.. hes afk |
| 17:39.25 | puchu | stew: I: Extracting zlib1g... |
| 17:39.25 | puchu | war: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/puchu/Desktop/torrent/new/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 17:39.34 | puchu | and i end up with an none working sys |
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| 17:40.56 | stew | puchu: "man debootstrap", you need the --foreign switch |
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| 17:41.24 | fasta | What package contains the astron style file (LaTeX)? Or is it simply not packaged? |
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| 17:41.40 | mbroeker | puchu, and chroot /home/puchu/*/new/ <SPACE> <dot> |
| 17:41.47 | darkbahamut | does anyone here know about backports? |
| 17:42.05 | puchu | stew okay ill give it a try |
| 17:42.08 | puchu | thanks |
| 17:42.10 | fasta | !tell darkbahamut about backports |
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| 17:42.34 | darkbahamut | fasta: i know what dpkg has to say |
| 17:42.50 | cast | well then |
| 17:42.51 | darkbahamut | fasta: i cant find a linux-image though |
| 17:43.10 | fasta | darkbahamut: hint: ask your real question then next time. |
| 17:43.25 | fasta | darkbahamut: your question is still ill-specified. |
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| 17:43.40 | darkbahamut | fasta: i had to ask if anyone knew about it first |
| 17:43.42 | hoxu | !calmdown fasta darkbahamut |
| 17:43.48 | stew | darkbahamut: for which version of debian? |
| 17:43.52 | wols_ | darkbahamut: linux-image |
| 17:44.05 | fasta | !ask |
| 17:44.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:44.07 | darkbahamut | wols_: heya wols |
| 17:44.15 | FastPutty | someone know how o make tcpdump work as tshark? |
| 17:44.15 | minus | is it possible to set up a printserver that supports USB on debian etch? Cause I read a guide stating that it wasn't possible |
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| 17:44.24 | wols_ | darkbahamut: you never need to know if anyone knows about anything. it's very much frowned upon here |
| 17:44.26 | darkbahamut | stew: ummm.. i forgot |
| 17:44.31 | wols_ | !tell darkbahamut about anyone |
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| 17:44.39 | darkbahamut | wols_: o |
| 17:44.42 | mogra | minus: My print server uses USB. |
| 17:44.50 | wols_ | minus: supports usb how? |
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| 17:45.08 | wols_ | of course debian can use usb connected printers |
| 17:45.13 | wols_ | and it can work as a print serevr too |
| 17:45.15 | stew | darkbahamut: well they would be in the linux-2.6 folder in the pool on backports |
| 17:45.23 | stew | darkbahamut: but you need to know if you are running sarge or etch |
| 17:45.52 | mogra | If it is compatible with CUPS or LPR, Debian can do it. |
| 17:45.53 | minus | wols_, Well.. I've just set up a server running Etch. And now I tried to fixed it so that it is a printserver. But I found a guide, that said that USB printers weren't supported |
| 17:45.54 | wols_ | stew: he runs etcha nd still has his problem with ACPI I asked you about |
| 17:46.02 | wols_ | stew: so I suggested a newer backported kernel |
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| 17:46.11 | hardwire | stew: haha.. the ntpq -pn offset to each ntp peer is growing |
| 17:46.13 | mogra | minus: how old is that guide o.O |
| 17:46.15 | FastPutty | how do you see acked segment and request with tcpdump? |
| 17:46.18 | hardwire | instead of shrinking |
| 17:46.19 | minus | mogra, don't know :P |
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| 17:46.32 | minus | mogra, http://www.aboutdebian.com/lan.htm |
| 17:46.42 | minus | ow.. sarge.. that is old.. |
| 17:47.11 | mogra | eh, my print server was on Sarge and USB was working. |
| 17:47.17 | minus | ok |
| 17:47.32 | mogra | but yes, if there's a CUPS driver for the printer, it will work. |
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| 17:47.56 | fasta | Can I do a query for all packages for all versions of Debian to see whether any of them contains file foo? (I.e. not locally) |
| 17:48.17 | wols_ | !tell fasta about search |
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| 17:50.01 | minus | Does anyone know a good guide how to set up a printserver on debian? |
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| 17:51.40 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm theres alot of images for 2.6 does it matter what i choose? |
| 17:51.51 | mogra | !tell minus about cups |
| 17:51.54 | mogra | that's a good place to start |
| 17:51.56 | minus | mogra, thanks |
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| 17:53.46 | wols_ | darkbahamut: I told you the vresion. as for the cpu, either k7 or 686 |
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| 17:54.22 | dokma | is there a way to make sure that members of a folder inherit the same group as the folder? |
| 17:54.41 | stew | dokma: set the directory g+s |
| 17:54.50 | dokma | hey stew |
| 17:54.54 | dokma | are you a human? |
| 17:55.01 | stew | dokma: yes |
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| 17:55.11 | dokma | ohh, I couldn't tell ;) |
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| 17:55.57 | Ronin | heh |
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| 17:56.47 | darkbahamut | wols_: yea but i forgot what version you said |
| 17:56.59 | gamag | how can I write a widget that can run on GNome as well as KDE? Is it possible? |
| 17:57.28 | darkbahamut | wols_: sry i shouldhave written it down |
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| 17:58.44 | juso | if I have /blah/blah1/blah2, what would give me variables of blah,blah1,blah2 using awk, Anyone know? |
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| 18:00.55 | dokma | stew: do you know what happens if I run a cycle of three fallback kernels and then I boot the fourth time. |
| 18:01.12 | Ronin | damn it, why arent those iptables rules active |
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| 18:01.57 | stew | dokma: i don't understand the question, can you be more specific? |
| 18:02.20 | juso | if I have directory path of /blah/blah1/blah2, what would give me variables of blah,blah1,blah2 using awk, Anyone know? |
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| 18:02.31 | petemc | awk -F "/" |
| 18:02.39 | lfelipe | hi |
| 18:02.54 | dokma | I've setup 3 kernels in a fallback. on the first boot first one will boot, one the second the second one, on the third the third one. But which one boots on the fourth boot? |
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| 18:03.31 | petemc | dokma: the default kernel? im guessing, obviously |
| 18:03.32 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme, why sun-java6-jre isn't in the repos anymore ? i'm using etch |
| 18:03.48 | deadbeef | how do install it ? |
| 18:04.00 | dokma | yeah, me too |
| 18:04.10 | mrrcp | anyone here tryed ebox? |
| 18:04.13 | darkbahamut | wols_: umm nvm i think i got it |
| 18:04.16 | mrrcp | or use it |
| 18:04.16 | dokma | I can't figure out when and how does grub advance the fallback pointer |
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| 18:04.45 | dokma | there is probably some rule that grub uses to detect if the system booted |
| 18:04.47 | dokma | and if it did |
| 18:04.53 | dokma | it will not advance the fallback pointer |
| 18:05.02 | dokma | so that kernel should boot on the next boot also |
| 18:05.10 | stew | dokma: you mean the first one fails, and the second one fails and the third one fails? |
| 18:05.53 | dokma | stew: I'd like to know what happens in that case yes. And also what will happen when first fails, second succeedes and I reboot. |
| 18:05.56 | dto | what is the name of the "no architecture" architecture in debian packaging? |
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| 18:06.06 | darkbahamut | brb |
| 18:06.25 | gridl0ck | running debian lenny, on a new asus laptop and it has a LCD/LED clock on the base - wondering if there is something would allow me to activate that? any ideas or point me in the right direction. thanks. (: |
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| 18:06.43 | dokma | stew: does the kernel that succeeds gets booted next time? |
| 18:06.56 | petemc | gridl0ck: you could check one of the linux laptop sites to see if someone with that model has found a way |
| 18:07.03 | dokma | so first fails, second runs and then second gets booted every time? |
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| 18:07.05 | stew | dokma: when the first 2 fail, it boots the last and hopes for the best. if the first fails and the second works, the second is now set to the default until you run "grub-set-default" |
| 18:07.06 | petemc | gridl0ck: linux-laptop.net and such |
| 18:07.16 | minus | mogra, When I try to administrate CUPS, it says that I need to go thru "<ip>:631/admin" But when I do so, it just stands there and loads... |
| 18:07.19 | gridl0ck | petemc, thanks |
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| 18:07.28 | dokma | stew: yeah, that was my guess too |
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| 18:07.33 | dokma | seems logical |
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| 18:08.00 | stew | dokma: actually i think that may depend on wheterh you ahve "savedefault" or "savedefault fallback" in that kernel, but i dont' really know |
| 18:08.16 | mogra | minus: are you doing this from the server box going to localhost:631? |
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| 18:08.41 | minus | no, I edited "localhost:631" to just: "631" so that I can do it from my workstation |
| 18:08.50 | dokma | rstew: I'm being rather pushy about this, cause if I lock myself out I'll probably have to pay for an intervention on the box |
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| 18:09.41 | petemc | dokma: wouldnt it be sensible to just use one, known working, fallback kernel in that case? |
| 18:10.03 | dokma | it would |
| 18:10.06 | minus | mogra, ow.. found out that I need to make a new user.. |
| 18:10.09 | dokma | that's exactly what I've setup |
| 18:10.11 | dokma | however |
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| 18:10.17 | dokma | when I run update-grub |
| 18:10.22 | dokma | it gets overwritten |
| 18:10.24 | mogra | minus: xD haha, forgot that part. Good you found it *nods* |
| 18:10.29 | dokma | which is a very nice way to get locked out |
| 18:10.30 | minus | :3 |
| 18:10.51 | dokma | so I'm rechecking everything 5 times |
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| 18:11.12 | dokma | plus my clients would hate it if they had to wait till morning to get their sites back up |
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| 18:11.39 | Maenad | on a fresh debian install (with the Web Server option checked) where would i find apache's httpd.conf file (or whatever file has Document Root in it)? |
| 18:12.08 | petemc | Maenad: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 18:12.31 | Maenad | thanks |
| 18:12.40 | stittel | Maenad: Technically there is /etc/apache2/httpd.conf—however, Debian uses another way to configure the webserver. |
| 18:12.46 | Maenad | stittel: whats that? |
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| 18:13.15 | stittel | Maenad: Global options are supposed to be in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and site-specific options in /etc/apache2/sites-available. |
| 18:13.34 | Maenad | also, i just installed "openssh-server" and i assume it configured itself automatically, because when i try to ssh into the pc from my mac, it asks for a password, but whatever i enter is wrong! do i need to set the ssh password from the pc somehow? |
| 18:13.43 | stittel | Maenad: From there sites can be enable/disabled with a2ensite and a2dissite. |
| 18:13.44 | Maenad | stittel: thanks |
| 18:13.52 | Maenad | =) |
| 18:14.30 | stittel | Maenad: Read the debian-specific readme for more details about that. |
| 18:14.30 | dokma | stew: I just found out that /boot/grub/default contains 2 as the default kernel |
| 18:14.30 | nouva | anyone known of articles or site on cleaning up cache nor junk on debian?? |
| 18:14.30 | dokma | even though 1 got booted fine |
| 18:14.42 | dokma | it seems to me that grub advances the pointer no matter if it booted or not |
| 18:14.45 | stittel | dokma: Why should runlevel 2 don't make you boot fine? |
| 18:14.58 | dokma | runlevel? |
| 18:15.06 | stittel | dokma: Argh, sorry! |
| 18:15.07 | Maenad | oh nevermind about ssh |
| 18:15.12 | dokma | I thought that's the file that saves the default kernel? |
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| 18:15.17 | sinizzl | hi folks |
| 18:15.17 | dokma | no prob |
| 18:15.18 | Maenad | mwahaha ssh is awesome! who invented it!? |
| 18:15.20 | Maenad | xD |
| 18:15.26 | Jyzygzy- | echo -e "GET http://google.com HTTP/1.0\nRange:1-2\n\n" | nc google.com 80 |
| 18:15.29 | Jyzygzy- | whats wrong ;< |
| 18:15.32 | minus | Maenad, lol ^^ |
| 18:15.35 | cast | Mr Edward Ssh |
| 18:15.51 | sinizzl | how do i shutdown access to cups/samba from the internet? |
| 18:16.02 | Maenad | seriouslty this is brand new to me but its awesome |
| 18:16.13 | Maenad | now i dont need to go into my bedroom ever again and touch that server! |
| 18:16.19 | Maenad | i could remove the keyboard/mouse/monitor if i wanted =D |
| 18:16.19 | stittel | sinizzl: You want to terminate the services or bind them locally? |
| 18:16.27 | sinizzl | stittel: bind them locally |
| 18:16.32 | sinizzl | can i use iptables for this? |
| 18:16.38 | cast | Maenad: welcome to networking, where you can utilize non-local resources :P |
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| 18:17.01 | stittel | sinizzl: That would not be binding, but port filtering. Yes, you could do that, but why not just configure cups and samba the right way? |
| 18:17.11 | sinizzl | unfortunately they're open for anyone. a friend of mine considered it really cool printing out goatse a hundred times |
| 18:17.24 | sinizzl | stittel: allright, i'll go with the latter... but how do i do that? hehe |
| 18:17.24 | cast | nbd.ko is pretty cool, not sure how stable it is in use though |
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| 18:18.20 | stittel | sinizzl: For CUPS that would be an appropriate listen statement, like "Listen localhost:631". |
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| 18:18.39 | sinizzl | stittel: ah yes. but i want to be able to listen from LAN as well |
| 18:18.41 | basix | hello people. i have a fresh install of debian. how i have mucked it up a little. i wanted to install grub instead of lilo. so i did an apt-get install grub and apt-get remove lilo. i've not yet rebooted the system but i have a bad feeling that grub is not configured for my system. how do i configure it? |
| 18:19.05 | Maenad | cast: =D |
| 18:19.11 | stittel | sinizzl: Well, say, if 192.168.0.3 is your LAN interface, you could say "Listen 192.168.0.3:631". |
| 18:19.26 | sinizzl | can i use wildcards? |
| 18:19.34 | sinizzl | like listen 192.168.*.*:631 ? |
| 18:19.48 | stittel | sinizzl: It's the interface, not the range of allowed IP addresses. |
| 18:19.56 | sinizzl | ah, allright |
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| 18:20.35 | stittel | sinizzl: Regarding Samba: I don't have a Samba system around at the moment. But either look it up in the documentation or otherwise, surely somebody else can help you (it's quite a common case). |
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| 18:20.46 | sinizzl | mkay |
| 18:20.50 | sinizzl | thank you very much so far |
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| 18:21.24 | Maenad | im looking for how to stop my server from directing itself to ./apache2-default/ which i dont want. i looked in /etc/apache2/apache2/httpd.conf and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/httpd.conf and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/apache2.conf and none of these have that line in there. can someone tell me where id find that line so i can stop it from redirecting to ./apache2-default when i open the website up in a browser? |
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| 18:22.00 | stew | Maenad: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
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| 18:22.26 | stittel | Maenad: I also wonder where that /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/httpd.conf comes from. |
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| 18:22.51 | Th|sD|cK | sorry guys what is difference ia64 and amd64? |
| 18:22.53 | Maenad | stittel: oh lol wrong dir |
| 18:22.57 | th0r_at_w0rk | !simple sid backports |
| 18:22.58 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 18:23.13 | mrrcp | anyone know if debian has a openvpn-web-gui? |
| 18:23.20 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: AMD64 is x86-64 an 64bit extention of the old x86 architecture. |
| 18:23.37 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: IA64 is an entirely new architecture, not having much in common with x86. |
| 18:23.46 | Th|sD|cK | uhmmm |
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| 18:23.56 | th0r_at_w0rk | mrrcp: aptitude search openvpn |
| 18:24.05 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: If you don't know what IA64 is, you don't have a IA64 maschine in front of you. :) |
| 18:24.08 | th0r_at_w0rk | See if something looks familiar. |
| 18:24.40 | Th|sD|cK | i have pentium D and i have amd64, but i want reinstall averything....which is better for me? amd64 or ia 64? |
| 18:24.46 | minus | mogra, hm.. I still cant get it to work though... |
| 18:24.56 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: You quite simply can't run IA-64 on that machine. |
| 18:25.11 | Th|sD|cK | hehe ok, than i install amd64 |
| 18:25.23 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: And if this is a usual desktop system: I'd recommend the normal 32bit x86 version. |
| 18:25.35 | jeward | MySQL logging doesn't seem to work properly since upgrading to etch. I have empty files in /var/log/mysql. |
| 18:25.40 | Maenad | is there a guide about using apache under debian? for instance, one that will answer these questions for me so you guys dont have to (and so i can figure out how to restart the apache server)? |
| 18:25.43 | th0r_at_w0rk | !cut th0rv4ld |
| 18:26.20 | stittel | Maenad: Restart Apache: "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" or "/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload" |
| 18:26.24 | minus | can someone tell me how to setup cups? I cant get remove browsing to work.. I cant login as admin.. |
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| 18:26.41 | Maenad | thanks. from my experience with gentoo i knew it had something to do with init.d but thats all i could think |
| 18:26.54 | stittel | Maenad: And have you checked /usr/share/doc/apache2 ? |
| 18:26.58 | jeward | In fact, I set the log_error variable in my.cnf and the file is not created when I restart mysql. |
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| 18:27.06 | tremby | i want to set up an ftp server but don't know which to choose. it's going to be very lightly used and ease of setup is a big plus. any suggestions? |
| 18:27.14 | Th|sD|cK | uhmmm...is not stable amd64?! |
| 18:27.18 | stittel | Maenad: There is also a nice README.Debian in there. |
| 18:27.23 | Maenad | stittel: thanks |
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| 18:27.45 | Maenad | stittel: im brand new to *actually* using linux, ive only messed around in bash and with gcc, thats all ive ever done before this |
| 18:27.48 | mrrcp | Maenad: /etc/init.d/apache |
| 18:28.03 | Maenad | mrrcp: thanks |
| 18:28.10 | th0r_at_w0rk | !kick dpkg |
| 18:28.20 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: Proprietary software like flash (skype, Adobe Reader, Realplayer etc.) is not available in 64bit. |
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| 18:28.40 | Maenad | when you install samba, do you need to configure it to add users or are they automatically added? |
| 18:28.43 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: This means that you will need a lot of 32bit compatibility packages (like a 32bit Browser and its dependency to run flash). |
| 18:28.44 | Th|sD|cK | oh, i installed flash player and work fine |
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| 18:28.57 | Th|sD|cK | on amd64 |
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| 18:29.04 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: Not with a 64bit browser without using a wrapper (which was unstable last time I tried it). |
| 18:29.27 | Th|sD|cK | oh yes i used a 32 bit wrapper |
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| 18:29.49 | Th|sD|cK | tnx! |
| 18:29.53 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: Well, feel free to install 64bit. Still on the normal desktop system you won't have any gains from that. |
| 18:29.57 | jeward | MySQL has stopped logging after sarge->etch upgrade. I set the log_error variable in my.cnf and the file is not created when I restart mysql. |
| 18:30.22 | abrotman | jeward: where is it trying to log, and does it have permission? |
| 18:30.23 | Th|sD|cK | may be i'll install both |
| 18:30.24 | stittel | Th|sD|cK: And the downsite of more memory usage, worse startup time of 32bit apps and more fiddling with compatbility packages. |
| 18:30.38 | jazhambo | hey folks. I seem to be having all kinds of networking problems. I'm connecting to a router via cat5. When I ping the internet, it takes many seconds even though the time is a few milliseconds. If I put the ip number in then the pings come back fast. Any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 18:30.47 | jeward | abrotman: It creates the normal mysql.err files, but they are empty. |
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| 18:31.37 | jeward | abrotman: I tried changing the name of the file with the my.cnf file, but no new file was created on restart. |
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| 18:31.54 | Th|sD|cK | stittel, i'm configuring a etch32 bit on my friend's pc, i got "hda lost interrupt"sometimes on the boot system...what i can check? |
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| 18:31.59 | sinizzl | how do i mount nfs volumes using a different username ? |
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| 18:33.02 | jeward | abrotman: Correction, the newest mysql.err file is from October, but there are current (empty) mysql.log files in /var/log/mysql. |
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| 18:33.19 | Th|sD|cK | alessandro |
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| 18:34.13 | mrrcp | Maenad u have to add them |
| 18:34.32 | mrrcp | its fairly simple thp |
| 18:34.34 | mrrcp | tho |
| 18:34.41 | puchu | when i make a debian install with debootstrap --foreign --arch mipsel lenny /test |
| 18:34.47 | Th|sD|cK | i got "hda lost interrupt" sometimes on the boot system, how to fix it?! |
| 18:34.49 | jeward | abrotman: I find empty files in /var/log/mysql, but mysqld_safe does log to syslog and daemon.log. |
| 18:34.53 | puchu | how can complete the install on the mipsel host? |
| 18:35.47 | jazhambo | Sorry if this is a repeat but my crappy network connection messing up irc... Why would pinging "google.com" take a very long time (though time is still reported as 50ms) but if I ping google.com's ip number the ping is very fast? |
| 18:37.07 | mrrcp | you have your DNS correct? |
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| 18:37.23 | mrrcp | jazhambo |
| 18:37.37 | jazhambo | mrrcp how do I check? |
| 18:38.18 | abrotman | jeward: so something is rotating them |
| 18:38.54 | mrrcp | jazhambo are you DHCP or STATIC |
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| 18:39.16 | mrrcp | the ip |
| 18:39.22 | jazhambo | mrrcp dhcp |
| 18:39.23 | mrrcp | !kick |
| 18:39.27 | mrrcp | ahh |
| 18:39.29 | mrrcp | hmm |
| 18:39.52 | mrrcp | are you using a router/gateway |
| 18:39.59 | jazhambo | mrrcp another (M$) box I have attached to the same router is working just fine |
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| 18:40.11 | mrrcp | ok |
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| 18:40.31 | mrrcp | check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:40.37 | mrrcp | see if it has a DNS in there |
| 18:40.46 | jeward | abrotman: They are being rotated, but they are all empty (mysql.log files). The mysql.err files are all from last month though, not current. I upgraded last month. |
| 18:40.58 | jazhambo | mrrcp: don't see anything about dns in there |
| 18:40.59 | abrotman | jeward: so you don't have any errors .. yay! :) |
| 18:41.05 | abrotman | jeward: who owns the files? |
| 18:41.07 | jeward | abrotman: :) I wish! |
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| 18:41.24 | jeward | abrotman: The files are all mysql:adm. |
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| 18:41.54 | h3sp4wn | puchu: http://wiki.wl500g.info/index.php/Debian%20Distribution (something like that I guess) its super slow though |
| 18:41.59 | jeward | abrotman: I just tried restarting with: log-error = /var/log/mysqld-error-log |
| 18:42.10 | jeward | abrotman: Nothing new on restart. |
| 18:42.24 | mrrcp | jaz paste me what you have priv |
| 18:42.25 | jeward | abrotman: I'll try in /tmp. |
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| 18:43.00 | ZEA | can I disable preview icons to specific types of files? I want to keep images and video previews, but I want to disable pdf |
| 18:43.58 | jeward | abrotman: Fascinating, it creates the logfile in /tmp, but not in:drwxr-sr-x 2 mysql adm 4096 Nov 19 00:19 . |
| 18:43.58 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.09 | jeward | (I opened up the privs in hopes it would work. |
| 18:44.22 | th0r_at_w0rk | !yum |
| 18:44.36 | th0r_at_w0rk | ... |
| 18:44.46 | Eulex | pwned |
| 18:44.48 | mrrcp | jazhambo you there ? |
| 18:44.52 | jazhambo | Yah |
| 18:44.53 | abrotman | jeward: you could check the BTS |
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| 18:45.18 | jeward | abrotman: Will do. |
| 18:45.19 | mrrcp | Try to make a static and see if it works better |
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| 18:45.43 | mrrcp | or add the DNS info |
| 18:45.47 | mrrcp | either way |
| 18:46.00 | mrrcp | thats why its taking so long prob |
| 18:46.26 | mrrcp | Jeward are you using debian as a server or ? |
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| 18:46.33 | jazhambo | Arg, it used to work fine. Now last few weeks it's giving all kinds of problems, wierd... |
| 18:46.33 | jazhambo | It drops the connection every so often |
| 18:46.34 | mrrcp | sorry |
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| 18:47.16 | jazhambo | Then sometimes I "ifup eth0" like 50 times and it wont connect. I'm forced to _restart_ the computer. blows |
| 18:47.19 | mrrcp | what kind of router are u using |
| 18:47.20 | jeward | mrrcp: Debian is both server and client? |
| 18:47.38 | mrrcp | jeward i mean like a file server |
| 18:47.44 | mrrcp | or such |
| 18:47.52 | jeward | mrrcp: No. |
| 18:48.06 | mrrcp | i ment jazhambo sorry |
| 18:48.31 | jazhambo | multiple different routers give me the same kind of baloney |
| 18:48.34 | jeward | mrrcp: Everything was fine under sarge. MySQL is crashing after upgrading to etch, and I've just learned today that it was not logging errors. |
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| 18:50.01 | basix | !repeat |
| 18:50.01 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:50.19 | basix | !repeat |
| 18:50.19 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:50.34 | mrrcp | !op |
| 18:50.37 | mrrcp | :P |
| 18:50.42 | fas3r | it's possible i run a dhcp server and a relay dhcp on same machin ? |
| 18:50.44 | jeward | abrotman: I can't seem to find anything on this in the BTS, but admittedly, I can't find much in the BTS. |
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| 18:51.10 | abrotman | jeward: hehe |
| 18:51.16 | mrrcp | fas3r : i think so |
| 18:51.18 | petemc | fas3r: why would you? |
| 18:51.18 | jeward | abrotman: :) |
| 18:51.49 | abrotman | jeward: try temporarily changing the perms on the mysql log to 666 and restart mysql |
| 18:51.59 | jeward | abrotman: I'll try opening the group permissions up on /var/log/mysql. |
| 18:52.07 | fas3r | petemc: it's for vlan i need to use two different dhcp server |
| 18:52.10 | abrotman | jeward: make sure the dir perms are also correct |
| 18:52.20 | Gun_Smoke | anyone else not care for gnome BitTorrent? |
| 18:52.32 | jeward | abrotman: You mean the directory? I've already opened the directory up somewhat. |
| 18:52.40 | Th|sD|cK | i got "hda lost interrupt" sometimes on the boot system, how to fix it?! |
| 18:52.40 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:53.28 | twobitsprite | is anyone here running debian on a dell inspiron e1405 and get this constant clicking sound from? |
| 18:53.43 | abrotman | likely your HDD |
| 18:53.45 | jeward | abrotman: In fact, on closer inspection, it looks like even mysql.log is only written at log rotation time 00:19. |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | jeward: but is that mysql writing or logrotate ? |
| 18:54.07 | twobitsprite | it's not a mechanical sound, it's like an audio device, but it's not the regular audio card... |
| 18:54.15 | abrotman | is there an option to ls to show just filename and time ? |
| 18:54.24 | jeward | abrotman: My guess is logrotate. |
| 18:54.41 | jeward | abrotman: Trying it with 777 on /var/log/mysql |
| 18:55.20 | jeward | abrotman: No change! |
| 18:55.38 | abrotman | jeward: you might want to ask #mysql if you're missing sometihng about logging |
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| 18:56.03 | abrotman | jeward: or check in the docs folder for mysql-server and see if there's anything useful in there |
| 18:56.07 | jeward | abrotman Unfortunately they sais "debian startup is farked and we don't understand it". |
| 18:56.17 | abrotman | is it starting? |
| 18:56.19 | simonrvn | chmod 777 rarely solves anything |
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| 18:56.25 | abrotman | the problem is logging .. not starting |
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| 18:56.52 | jeward | abrotman: Yes, but the loggin is defined in the starting, and they say they don't understand it, "It's weird." |
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| 18:57.22 | abrotman | useless buttheads :) |
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| 18:57.33 | jeward | abrotman: Agreed! ;) |
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| 18:58.07 | debian | How to autoconfigure xserver? |
| 18:58.08 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, with the dir 777 and the error log specified in my.cnf, it creates a new log on restart in /var/log/mysql. |
| 18:58.23 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:58.26 | debian | And what driver should Intel laptop screencards use? |
| 18:58.31 | Maenad | debian? |
| 18:58.39 | abrotman | debian: what is your window manager? |
| 18:58.46 | debian | Gnome? |
| 18:58.46 | jeward | abrotman: I'll tighten it up a little towards what it was before I started. |
| 18:58.57 | simonrvn | metacity then |
| 18:59.02 | abrotman | debian: aptitude install xorg gdm ... and your driver is i810 |
| 18:59.09 | abrotman | jeward: is it logging now ? |
| 18:59.32 | simonrvn | jeward: good |
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| 18:59.45 | jeward | abrotman: It created a new log in a 777 directory when I hard coded the filename. |
| 18:59.58 | abrotman | jeward: see .. this is why sane people use pgsql :) |
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| 19:00.19 | jeward | abrotman: What's that? :) |
| 19:00.31 | abrotman | useful! |
| 19:00.32 | jeward | abrotman: Postgres? |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | yeah |
| 19:00.43 | cahoot | like google? |
| 19:01.23 | simonrvn | like who? |
| 19:01.27 | simonrvn | :p |
| 19:01.28 | debian | That would make kde work too? |
| 19:02.10 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, this is realy strange. I've restored the directory to it's original permissions and now it writes logs there? |
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| 19:02.36 | jeward | abrotman: But why do I have to hard code the error log filename? |
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| 19:03.05 | abrotman | jeward: not sure .. you'd probably have to run the whole thing in debug mode to find out |
| 19:03.27 | debian | Would a novice be able to make debian use wpa? And vpn? |
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| 19:03.39 | jeward | abrotman: I'm going to try hardcoding the default error log name now and then removing the hard coding. |
| 19:03.39 | Gun_Smoke | So deluge won't work on etch. next best thing would be?? |
| 19:04.08 | abrotman | for what? |
| 19:04.17 | jeward | abrotman: Is it okay for mysqld_safe and mysqld to log to the same file? |
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| 19:07.10 | abrotman | jeward: no clue |
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| 19:08.17 | jeward | Abrotman: MAYBE the way to specify the error log was changed from err-log to log-error between the versions. |
| 19:08.22 | valdyn | debian: sure, depending on the status of your wlan device driver |
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| 19:08.45 | abrotman | jeward: it's possible .. i don't have mysql on any etch machines (and i hope to keep it that way) |
| 19:08.46 | valdyn | debian: vpn means alot of actual implementations |
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| 19:09.04 | jeward | abrotman: You switched to postgres? |
| 19:09.22 | abrotman | jeward: i've always been on postgresql .. i was using it before i ever touched mysql |
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| 19:09.55 | TwinX | what's the latest stable kernel? |
| 19:10.08 | abrotman | 2.6.18 |
| 19:10.13 | TwinX | ok thanks |
| 19:10.35 | debian | So I wont get vpn? |
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| 19:11.30 | jeward | abrotman: Okay, I'll cause all my servers to at least log errors and then maybe I can figure out why their MySQLs are crashing! |
| 19:11.30 | basix | can somone please tell me why grub-install just hangs there and doesn't do anything? I'm trying to install grub on /dev/hda (mbr) its formatted with XFS. I'm running Etch 4.0r1 |
| 19:11.36 | jeward | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 19:12.01 | abrotman | jeward: cause mysql sucks? :) |
| 19:12.18 | jeward | abrotman: That's been said around here more than once... |
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| 19:12.21 | hoxu | !bunnysmite abrotman |
| 19:12.33 | debian | One guy in Kubuntu said that vpn works fine, is he wrong? |
| 19:12.39 | jeward | abrotman: We've started using db2 in some cases and I can't say it seems much better! ;) |
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| 19:13.03 | h3sp4wn | debian: what are you talking about ? |
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| 19:13.26 | DarkBahamut | wols_: hey |
| 19:13.43 | abrotman | debian: kubuntu is NOT debian .. |
| 19:13.43 | jeward | abrotman: I've used it in prior jobs, not sure why it's not used here other than history. |
| 19:13.55 | petemc | basix: can you install grub on an xfs partition? i dont use it but i think i recall hearing you cant.. |
| 19:13.59 | debian | Based on, I use debian, but kubuntu doesn really have any real new features. |
| 19:14.11 | DarkBahamut | hello everyone |
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| 19:14.22 | debian | Do I have to manually install wpa? |
| 19:15.11 | debian | Or does it come by itself? |
| 19:15.31 | basix | petemc...what you saying man.. i selected XFS as the file system for the boot partition. what do i do now? reinstall it all over again??? |
| 19:15.33 | petemc | debian: you seem to jump from question to question without any regard to what questions people ask in response to yours, which seems a bit rude |
| 19:17.43 | debian | Oh, sorry. |
| 19:17.43 | petemc | basix: im suggesting that xfs is perhaps not the best choice for a fs for a boot partition |
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| 19:17.43 | debian | Someone told me Virtual Private Network workes fine in debian, Is this true? |
| 19:17.43 | basix | petemc, okay fine. so now what do i do? format the boot partition and reinstall it? if so how? i've got a clean debian install on my hand here. |
| 19:17.44 | Silviana | l.a |
| 19:17.44 | Silviana | oa |
| 19:17.44 | petemc | debian: yes, but as you've been told, vpn is a generic, often misused term |
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| 19:17.44 | petemc | basix: make it ext3 |
| 19:17.44 | petemc | or ext2 |
| 19:17.44 | _Alix | tinc is a good vpn solution on debian |
| 19:17.44 | debian | Ok, my it guy said they used it. So to get acces to the server I think I need it, or to get network and internet. |
| 19:17.51 | fasta | Does Debian support Web2.0? |
| 19:18.02 | basix | petemc, then what? |
| 19:18.10 | abrotman | fasta: does the webbrowser ? |
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| 19:18.19 | petemc | basix: install grub, how did you get debian installed without installing it anyway? |
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| 19:18.33 | fasta | abrotman: it was a troll attempt. |
| 19:18.37 | fasta | abrotman: I failed. |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | you failed |
| 19:18.40 | basix | petemc, lilo! :( |
| 19:18.45 | fasta | abrotman: heh |
| 19:18.49 | petemc | basix: what about it? |
| 19:19.20 | basix | petemc, the installer installed lilo by default. it didnt ask for my permission |
| 19:19.35 | petemc | basix: where did you get your install media? |
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| 19:19.58 | basix | petemc, from the debian site |
| 19:20.05 | basix | petemc, i'm using 4.0r1 |
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| 19:20.42 | basix | petemc, and why doesn't allow me to select the packages i'd like to install? i mean customize the packages to be installed? |
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| 19:20.54 | basix | petemc, i'm not doing a netinstall |
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| 19:21.37 | petemc | basix: grub should be the default |
| 19:21.57 | petemc | basix: you can skip tasksel and just use aptitude to install the packages you want when the install is done |
| 19:22.06 | basix | petemc, hmm okay.. |
| 19:22.18 | petemc | the install guide might be worth a look, too |
| 19:24.45 | thelostbutler | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.45 | debian | Xserver doesnt find my laptopscreen |
| 19:24.45 | debian | Can I make it configure itself? |
| 19:24.45 | petemc | !drxx debian |
| 19:24.45 | dpkg | debian: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 19:24.46 | hoxu | !sing bob2 |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 19:24.46 | debian | I've ran that command, but it asks me a shitload of questions that I dont know the answer too. |
| 19:24.46 | petemc | try just hitting enter |
| 19:24.46 | abrotman | it's your hardware |
| 19:25.09 | debian | It worked on another install, then I installed the hole system at once, now I wanted to setup it my self. |
| 19:25.25 | debian | In the install it fixed everyting by itself |
| 19:25.27 | puchu | is there somewhere a debootstrap guid available? |
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| 19:25.31 | hoxu | thelostbutler, incompatible library versions or something? Maybe #perl folks know? |
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| 19:26.50 | twobitsprite | will is break anything if I change the /usr/bin/python symlink to point to 2.5 instead of 2.4? |
| 19:26.53 | abrotman | puchu: a gui for deboostrap? |
| 19:27.02 | abrotman | twobitsprite: it might .. |
| 19:27.14 | thelostbutler | hoxu: not much help there as of yet. i am looking for hints as to where i should start looking |
| 19:27.22 | puchu | abrotman no a guide how to use --foreign |
| 19:27.25 | abrotman | twobitsprite: it's set to 2.4 for the default ... apps are expecting that |
| 19:27.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:27.40 | puchu | it created me a dir a chrooted into it on mipsel but what do i do now |
| 19:27.50 | stew | i think moving that now that we have the new python policy maybe that isn't as bad as it used to be |
| 19:27.56 | twobitsprite | abrotman: k, thanks |
| 19:28.01 | stew | puchu: it should have created a debootstrap script to run once you are on the native arch |
| 19:28.35 | puchu | ./debootstrap |
| 19:28.35 | puchu | irule: usage: [OPTION]... <suite> <target> [<mirror> [<script>]] ... |
| 19:28.46 | puchu | pwd .. /debootstrap |
| 19:29.12 | basix | is it possible to use a debian machine as a cobbler server? |
| 19:29.28 | puchu | ./debootstrap --arch mipsel sid . |
| 19:29.28 | puchu | et: No such script: /debootstrap/scripts/sid |
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| 19:29.31 | puchu | @stew |
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| 19:31.08 | PC-Ente | hi |
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| 19:32.57 | D0pamine | hi kbreheny |
| 19:33.35 | D0pamine | if you'd be so kind as to explain your problem to these good people , i'm sure someone would be good enough to help if they know the answer to your problem |
| 19:33.51 | utopia_ | D0pamine is evil |
| 19:34.00 | utopia_ | sertonin ftw! |
| 19:34.05 | D0pamine | :P |
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| 19:34.18 | kbreheny | Hi - can anyone help me? I am a newbie - am running debian on a HP NC6400 Laptop with an intel graphics driver - compiz-fusion works fine but when running that window manager all video players crash - has anyone else experienced this issue? |
| 19:34.25 | debian | Is 00:1c.1 Intel Cooperation and 00:1c.5 Intel Cooperation my screencard? |
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| 19:34.47 | petemc | kbreheny: use mplayer and play with the -vo options |
| 19:35.12 | kbreheny | ok will give it a try - thanks |
| 19:35.19 | petemc | np |
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| 19:37.49 | robboplus_ | folks, can someone please explain to me why so many dropped ones? |
| 19:37.50 | robboplus_ | 2243 packets received by filter |
| 19:37.50 | robboplus_ | 1920 packets dropped by kernel |
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| 19:38.03 | robboplus_ | that's from tcpdump on my br0 |
| 19:38.20 | sinizzl | i have a router that routes the internet (from eth0) to lan (eth1). how do i use iptables to close ALL ports on eth0 ? |
| 19:38.38 | elmo40 | !iptables |
| 19:38.38 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
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| 19:39.34 | debian | How do I scroll up in console mode? |
| 19:40.02 | kbreheny | hmmm - sound works but no video |
| 19:40.12 | elmo40 | debian: hold Shift and press PageUP |
| 19:40.25 | elmo40 | or use the scroll wheel (if it is setup) |
| 19:40.49 | cast | debian: definitely a good idea to learn screen if you're using console mode in any serious capacity |
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| 19:41.15 | abrotman | cast: please don't confuse him |
| 19:41.22 | cast | why? |
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| 19:41.28 | debian | Yeah, Thanks alot |
| 19:41.38 | cast | if he switches from tty1 to tty2 he can't scroll up in tty1 anymore |
| 19:41.45 | cast | and how can he copy and paste? |
| 19:41.56 | debian | I cant |
| 19:42.17 | debian | Is VGA not the built in screen in my laptop? |
| 19:42.20 | cast | debian: well, screen enables scrolling even if you switch away from the tty and copy and pasting |
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| 19:42.43 | Gun_Smoke | I am not liking gnome BitTorrent.. What are you using? |
| 19:42.49 | elmo40 | great... really confuse him now :/ |
| 19:42.58 | elmo40 | Gun_Smoke: a simple torrent app is transmission |
| 19:43.12 | Gun_Smoke | elmo40: Thanks |
| 19:43.32 | DawnLight | yo |
| 19:43.50 | elmo40 | Gun_Smoke: but it is VERY basic |
| 19:43.53 | elmo40 | DawnLight: hi |
| 19:43.54 | cast | this is #debian, not #5yearolds, since when did being new to debian equate to being mentally lacking? |
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| 19:44.10 | elmo40 | cast: every morning i wake up... |
| 19:44.24 | cast | why dpm |
| 19:44.31 | Gun_Smoke | elmo40: I like deluge.. But it seems to be on the bench for etch. |
| 19:44.33 | cast | s/why dpm// :) |
| 19:44.43 | DawnLight | emotionally lacking, perhaps |
| 19:45.43 | DawnLight | "hey, i'm a geek and i have feelings" |
| 19:45.44 | DawnLight | "really" |
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| 19:46.00 | elmo40 | we feel? |
| 19:46.15 | hardcampa | Best gui torrent client there is isn't in debian etch =( |
| 19:46.21 | Gun_Smoke | bah |
| 19:46.25 | elmo40 | !emotion |
| 19:46.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, emotion is something apt doesn't have |
| 19:46.27 | DawnLight | "i thought about it yesterday and deducted that we do" |
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| 19:46.32 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: tried "transmission" ? |
| 19:46.35 | Gun_Smoke | hardcampa: would be? |
| 19:46.40 | elmo40 | hardcampa: and what client is that? |
| 19:46.45 | hardcampa | http://qbittorrent.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 19:47.00 | elmo40 | is ok... |
| 19:47.11 | hardcampa | closest you have to utorrent on linux |
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| 19:47.14 | DawnLight | hardcampa: how 'bout you package it? |
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| 19:47.34 | hardcampa | only if you pay me. =) |
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| 19:47.40 | DawnLight | and in two , maybe three years, i'll aptitude install it :) |
| 19:47.50 | hardcampa | =) |
| 19:47.51 | rmaj | how to get a screensaver that actually hides the desktop, including popup windows? |
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| 19:48.05 | kapitan_hak | hi! |
| 19:48.11 | DawnLight | rmaj: what screensaver doesn't hide the desktop? |
| 19:48.21 | hardcampa | The reason to why that client owns btw apart from a nice gui, is that it is fast. |
| 19:48.33 | hardcampa | KTorrent for example is really slow in comparison |
| 19:48.38 | kapitan_hak | How install debian etch on SMP platform? |
| 19:48.41 | Gun_Smoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.45 | abrotman | kapitan_hak: just install it like anywhere else |
| 19:48.47 | DawnLight | ktorrent is slow? hmm... bah |
| 19:48.51 | rmaj | DawnLight: the one I have, I guess to be xscreensaver |
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| 19:49.09 | abrotman | rmaj: just pick a screensaver that doesn't divulge bits of the desktop |
| 19:49.10 | yetifoot | i found ktorrent speed great, as long as i used a new version, not the junk in etch |
| 19:49.12 | kapitan_hak | abrotman: But, i have a error |
| 19:49.19 | abrotman | kapitan_hak: okay .. so tell us aboutit |
| 19:49.27 | kapitan_hak | abrotman: It's kernel panic |
| 19:49.28 | hardcampa | yetifoot: ok.. well they might have changed it then. I use the "junk" in etch =) |
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| 19:49.35 | DawnLight | rmaj: xscreensaver is a buch of different ones. /usr/share/doc/xscreensaver/ |
| 19:49.41 | rmaj | where do I set which screenshot |
| 19:49.46 | rmaj | DawnLight: blank one |
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| 19:49.49 | abrotman | kapitan_hak: acpi=off noapic |
| 19:49.53 | rmaj | the blank screen, so I guess this is a bu |
| 19:49.58 | rmaj | bug even |
| 19:50.00 | Gun_Smoke | what pisses me off is that gnome BitTorrents doesn't show pretty much anything.. Seeders/leachers/ connections etc.. |
| 19:50.16 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: then freaking compile the one you want |
| 19:50.23 | omg0_ | is everyone in IT on here |
| 19:50.32 | asg | no, I'm in NC |
| 19:50.33 | DawnLight | yes |
| 19:50.35 | abrotman | there are 5,000 ways to steal music/movies .. just pick one and get it working |
| 19:50.59 | yetifoot | http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com/ |
| 19:51.03 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: maybe I "freaking" will.. dick. |
| 19:51.17 | omg0_ | I need a job |
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| 19:52.02 | omg0_ | anyone have a entry level IT job. |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: you've been going on for awhile .. just make it work |
| 19:52.12 | abrotman | omg0_: do you ahve a debian question |
| 19:52.20 | rmaj | omg0_: ask in ##linux or ##defocus |
| 19:52.31 | rmaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.58 | DawnLight | i have three graphics adapters here, does anyone know which of those have 3d acceleration in linux? [S3 Trio 3D On Board] [S3 ViRGE/DX On Board] [ATI Rage IIc] |
| 19:53.06 | abrotman | none |
| 19:53.13 | DawnLight | nooooooooooo |
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| 19:53.27 | h3sp4wn | The rage should shouldn't it |
| 19:53.28 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure they don't .. and even if they did .. it would suck |
| 19:53.35 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: not that one |
| 19:53.42 | kapitan_hak | abrotman: It not works ;( |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: depends on the age of the Rage .. the IIc was usually a server board around 1997 or something |
| 19:53.51 | DawnLight | only a little would be enough |
| 19:54.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: IIc chips are found on todays server boards too. They work. :-) |
| 19:54.16 | kapitan_hak | abrotman: The last called function is kernel_threads_helper |
| 19:54.29 | DawnLight | sure it works. they all work |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | kapitan_hak: go to #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .., ask there |
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| 19:54.39 | yetifoot | i can send out an ATI rage 128 pro for free lol, i got too many of those things |
| 19:54.40 | xingu | age of the rage, now there's a metal album name if I ever heard one |
| 19:54.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: they are .. and they haven't changed much |
| 19:54.50 | debian | I just deleted xorg.conf now it worx |
| 19:55.14 | jelly-home | a Rage Pro is much the same thing, only with some 3d |
| 19:55.27 | DawnLight | so... no hope at all? not some exotic driver project? |
| 19:55.45 | xingu | DawnLight: the silicon's too feeble |
| 19:55.55 | abrotman | i don't think the S3 cards even work in Xorg |
| 19:55.58 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 19:55.59 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 19:56.03 | jelly-home | DawnLight: what kind of 3d would you do with them? Forget compiz, that's for sure. |
| 19:56.15 | asg | abrotman: mine still requires X v.3 |
| 19:56.16 | DawnLight | only a little nexuiz :) |
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| 19:56.55 | yetifoot | my graphics card does nexuiz/tremulous/saurbraten just fine, and it cost $30 new, just buy a new card... |
| 19:56.59 | petemc | i use a pci s3 card with xorg, works |
| 19:57.02 | jelly-home | DawnLight: unlikely. I had problems with tuxracer and a Rage Pro, and it's better than your cards |
| 19:57.09 | petemc | doesnt work /well/ , but it works |
| 19:57.09 | abrotman | DawnLight: you could try using software GL .. but it'll likely not work |
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| 19:57.33 | jelly-home | DawnLight: that was in, like 2000-2002 or so |
| 19:57.48 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: How much worse is it than a rage XL ? |
| 19:58.08 | yetifoot | lol, back in 2000 or so, i couldn't get any better than 640x480x256 with all the linuxes i tried |
| 19:58.09 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: a rage IIc ? |
| 19:58.16 | DawnLight | i'll see what i have on another box... |
| 19:58.16 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: yeah |
| 19:58.20 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: IIc? I think it's pretty much the same |
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| 19:58.42 | th0r_at_w0rk | !hotkey |
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| 19:58.45 | DawnLight | what about Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 21) ? |
| 19:58.47 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: a rage IIc is utter crap .. great for servers .. and a 2d installation .. i think they're largely unchanged since the late 90s |
| 19:58.48 | levander | Does anyone know where the doc's are on how to configure xorg.conf for the open source nvidia driver? |
| 19:58.55 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 19:58.55 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:58.57 | abrotman | use the nv |
| 19:59.15 | polter | hey everyone.. I've been googling forever.. but I can't seem to find any reliable info on what repos should be in my sources.list on lenny by default |
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| 19:59.21 | debian | It is easier to delete the xorg.conf |
| 19:59.21 | polter | anyone who can help? |
| 19:59.23 | debian | I just did |
| 19:59.28 | yetifoot | levander, i just use nvidia-xconfig, but yeah, just change drive from nv to nvidia |
| 19:59.30 | jelly-home | DawnLight: you got AGP on the mainboard? Find a first-gen Radeon or something |
| 19:59.32 | debian | Then it fixes everything |
| 19:59.39 | levander | abrotman: I'm having problems, I need to know about specific options available in xorg.conf for the nv driver. |
| 19:59.40 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage#3D_RAGE_II_.28IIC.2C_II.2B.2C_II.2BDVD.29 |
| 19:59.50 | abrotman | levander: man nv |
| 20:00.02 | abrotman | !tell polter about sources.list |
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| 20:00.14 | DawnLight | is this "Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 21)" capable of 3d? |
| 20:00.21 | lfelipe | hi |
| 20:00.30 | lfelipe | what are the unstable repositories? |
| 20:00.39 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: The box I have one on is my personal server but I would never want X on that |
| 20:00.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | DawnLight: i believe so |
| 20:00.55 | levander | abrotman: 'man nv' has some stuff. Doesn't mention TV out. Do you know if it supports TV out? |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | doubt it |
| 20:01.20 | yetifoot | levander, i set up my TV out for nvidia ok, just on google searches for 'twinview' |
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| 20:01.34 | debian | ntfs-3g is ntfs support? |
| 20:01.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: rage pro has vidix drivers in mplayer... you can watch the movies in textmode background ;-) |
| 20:01.47 | lfelipe | debian: yes |
| 20:01.50 | DawnLight | ah good to hear. will investigate further. thanks friends |
| 20:02.03 | levander | yetifoot: I've got a setup, it's working fine for SVIDEO. No picture for COMPONENT. |
| 20:02.12 | levander | yetifoot: You're not running a 6200 are you? |
| 20:02.21 | yetifoot | levander, yeah, i am |
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| 20:02.36 | compaq | hello |
| 20:02.37 | levander | yetifoot: Does COMPONENT out work for you? |
| 20:03.02 | compaq | !ntfs |
| 20:03.02 | dpkg | methinks ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 2 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and NTFS-3G, a FUSE driver able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the latter, ask me about <ntfs-3g>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
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| 20:03.19 | yetifoot | i don't have the tv-out set up anymore, as it was basically crap, but i just had a scart lead connection, not really sure what video mode it used |
| 20:03.37 | polter | can I get vlc on testing? |
| 20:03.51 | Plex | I'm running Debian Etch 2.6.18-5-amd64, GeForce 7300 GS (latest drivers, from official site.) I downloaded and installed Adobe Flash 9 & etc according to http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ After a random amount of time of viewing any flash plugin, my display becomes choppy. Nearly immediately after, |
| 20:03.52 | Plex | the display freezes (Alt-SysRq still seems to function, but anything display-related does not.) I have no clue what might be causing this: any suggestions as to what logs I should read, etc? |
| 20:03.52 | levander | yetifoot: I been hammering on this COMPONENT out for over a week. Looks like I'm stuck with SVIDEO... |
| 20:03.57 | th0r_at_w0rk | compaq: Try ntfs-tools |
| 20:04.47 | yetifoot | levander, i found it really troublesome, like i kept having to restart the PC everytime i changed settings, and sometimes that alone didn't work, i had to plug/unplug the leads a bunch of times |
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| 20:05.31 | levander | yetifoot: Yeah, it really sux. And, NVIDIA will not comment on nvnews.net whether or not it's a bug, if they've tested it well, etc.. |
| 20:05.48 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: Looks like you can have 3d with the Xsun server and solaris with that rage II (according to the sun HCL) |
| 20:06.17 | DawnLight | h3sp4wn: too bad i'm using debian, eh |
| 20:06.38 | polter | is there any way to get vlc and virtualbox (non-free) running on Testing? Would make my life a bit easier |
| 20:06.54 | compaq | It wont install anything |
| 20:07.00 | compaq | Not ntfs-3g |
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| 20:07.22 | yetifoot | polter vlc will be fine, i know that is ok, and you can probably get virtualbox just fine on testing too, you may need to compile it though not sure |
| 20:07.28 | lbt | hi... I'm trying to optimise a boot-up for a minimal build. I'd like to know when init scripts are being started so I can see where the time is going (ie an instrumented /sbin/init). Any ideas? |
| 20:07.45 | stew | compaq: ntfs-3g is not in etch, the current stable, you can get it from backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:07.50 | DawnLight | i want to see whether this [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP i have can do 3d. where would i be looking? /usr/share/doc/x-server-xorg-video-sis/ doesn't have anything interesting |
| 20:07.53 | polter | yetifoot, well virtualbox asks for libxalan and xerces.. and so far I had no luck |
| 20:08.10 | mbroeker | polter, try editing /etc/apt/sources.list and change the line lenny main contrib non-free and install vlc! |
| 20:08.11 | elmo40 | hardcampa: there is one for etch... deb http://hydr0g3n.free.fr/qbittorrent/stable/ ./ |
| 20:08.22 | yetifoot | polter have you looked around places like debian-unofficial? they might have it |
| 20:08.28 | polter | mbroeker, thought I tried that... |
| 20:08.28 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: dunno - I am not bothered one way or the other for the most part (I have enough Debian boxes atm) |
| 20:08.33 | omg0_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.42 | stew | vlc has been missing from testing for months |
| 20:08.44 | polter | I'll try to find a way for those things to work |
| 20:08.51 | polter | stew, it seems so yeah |
| 20:08.51 | mbroeker | polter, add deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 20:08.56 | th0r_at_w0rk | !tor |
| 20:08.56 | dpkg | i heard tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 20:08.59 | polter | mbroeker, on my way :) |
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| 20:09.28 | polter | gotta say.. been trying out different distros for a while now.. but I seem to keep coming back to debian.. |
| 20:09.35 | h3sp4wn | DawnLight: Can you not just pick up a dirt cheap ati 9250 pci from somewhere ? |
| 20:09.47 | stew | polter: don't bother, mbroeker is just guessing incorrectly |
| 20:10.05 | Zippy2 | tor sucks |
| 20:10.08 | polter | stew, well I will probably need it anyway |
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| 20:10.24 | stew | polter: your best bet is to backport it from unstable, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:11.00 | abrotman | th0r_at_w0rk: please msg the bot |
| 20:11.39 | polter | stew, thanks. the best advice today. :) |
| 20:12.02 | stew | polter: which language do you need xerces/xalan bindings for? c? |
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| 20:12.10 | netgear | abrotman, i have installed nozomi source and when using lsusb i get Bus 006 Device 002 ID05c6:1000 Qualcomm Inc |
| 20:12.11 | elmo40 | hardcampa: my question is this... if you say it is like utorrent, then can you select what files in the download you do not want? Some torrents have hundreds of files, and maybe i only want 50 of them, utorrent will allow me to select only those 50. |
| 20:12.19 | abrotman | netgear: isn't that a good thing ? |
| 20:12.29 | netgear | well i suppose so |
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| 20:12.34 | polter | stew, dunno really |
| 20:12.45 | mbroeker | polter, well, it isnt there anyway. I can't install it. |
| 20:12.47 | stew | polter: what makes you think you need them at all? |
| 20:12.47 | netgear | but what device is my "modem" then? |
| 20:12.52 | omg0_ | stew is very good/helpful/knowledgeable. So i abrotman when he is ready |
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| 20:13.19 | polter | stew, when trying to run the generic installer för virtualbox it complains about not finding those packages |
| 20:13.26 | compaq | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) me want driver |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 20:13.32 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d". |
| 20:13.40 | mbroeker | polter, looks like this on my config: http://rafb.net/p/NywLS986.html |
| 20:14.20 | netgear | abrotman,some links talk about kernel compiling to get it going, and i have no idea on how to do that |
| 20:14.34 | compaq | perl is birching me bout locales |
| 20:14.36 | stew | polter: "apt-cache search -n libxerces dev" "apt-cache search -n libxalan dev" |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | netgear: i'm not sure you have to .. did you read the forum about your device? |
| 20:14.45 | stew | compaq: aptitude install locales |
| 20:15.17 | xingu | DawnLight: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/CategoryHardware |
| 20:15.24 | stew | mbroeker: vlc is not currently in testing. if you need to install it backport it from unstable |
| 20:15.47 | netgear | abrotman, let me make sure i have it all together,im so confused allready |
| 20:16.23 | dansushi | how does one 'lock' a user into their certain home folder, and prevent them from going in any other user's folders? |
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| 20:16.58 | compaq | what is linux-image_ |
| 20:16.58 | stew | dansushi: for someone that is logged via ssh or what? |
| 20:16.59 | compaq | ? |
| 20:17.01 | netgear | chown folder user:group |
| 20:17.26 | lbt | hi again... I'm trying to optimise a boot-up for a minimal build. I'd like to know when init scripts are being started so I can see where the time is going (ie an instrumented /sbin/init). Any ideas? |
| 20:17.26 | dansushi | stew: yeah |
| 20:17.26 | Greek-Boy | how do I get sox to encode/decode mp3 in debian? |
| 20:17.26 | stew | netgear: that's backwards |
| 20:17.30 | netgear | ok im new |
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| 20:17.48 | stew | dansushi: in general, you don't. you'd need some specialized shell to do that. afaik debian doesn't provide any such shell. |
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| 20:17.51 | netgear | and tired |
| 20:17.53 | stew | dansushi: why do you want this? |
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| 20:18.14 | dansushi | just so a user can't view or do anything to my files |
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| 20:18.44 | stew | dansushi: use filesystem permissions to stop him from viewing files you don't want him to see |
| 20:18.50 | yetifoot | can't you just set permissions? |
| 20:18.52 | yetifoot | nevermind |
| 20:19.21 | stew | dansushi: you don't really want him to be prevented from reading *every* file. for instance, you probably want to let him read /bin/ls |
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| 20:19.31 | biopyte | hi folks, i need a backup tool that automatically backups one directory to a samba share. should not be too hard to use. any recommendations? |
| 20:19.32 | dansushi | yeah |
| 20:19.35 | dansushi | i mean /home/dan/ |
| 20:19.41 | dansushi | for me for example |
| 20:19.48 | stew | dansushi: waht about /home/dan? |
| 20:19.56 | dansushi | hang on... |
| 20:20.16 | compaq | Is knetworkmanager 0.1 the newes one_ |
| 20:20.18 | stew | dansushi: if you don't want others to be able to read /home/dan, "chmod 700 /home/dan" |
| 20:20.26 | compaq | !knetworkmanager |
| 20:21.01 | dansushi | ok, thanks |
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| 20:21.35 | stew | dansushi: you can make that the default for new users if you "dpkg-reconfigure adduser" ; you might want to read /msg dpkg Permissions |
| 20:21.58 | dto | how do i completely remove GNOME from my system? |
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| 20:22.08 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 20:22.09 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 20:22.30 | dto | thank you :-) |
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| 20:22.48 | dto | so can i generally do !whateveriwanttoask |
| 20:22.50 | dto | ? |
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| 20:23.33 | karsten | dto: ?? |
| 20:23.37 | netgear | abrotman, i seem to only get a link on WP and WK serial number cards and GRPS |
| 20:23.45 | dto | karsten: for example, |
| 20:23.51 | dto | !cdbs |
| 20:23.51 | dpkg | i heard cdbs is a build system for Debian packages based on Makefile inheritance. located at http://build-common.alioth.debian.org |
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| 20:23.58 | dto | ok. it's like fsbot on #emacs :-) |
| 20:24.04 | compaq | ) |
| 20:24.04 | compaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.06 | abrotman | netgear: isn't that a good thing ? |
| 20:24.08 | dimbit | ndiswrapper anyone??? |
| 20:24.09 | compaq | ) |
| 20:24.09 | compaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.15 | abrotman | compaq: we can see that |
| 20:24.17 | karsten | dansushi: there's the restricted shell (option on bash). |
| 20:24.17 | compaq | doh |
| 20:24.20 | karsten | stew: ^^ |
| 20:24.25 | compaq | Not what I meant to past |
| 20:24.27 | dto | karsten: today i learned how to use checkinstall to make a debian package out of my project |
| 20:24.29 | dto | and of a few other things |
| 20:24.32 | dimbit | "dirver installed" but no "hardware present" line :( |
| 20:24.32 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:24.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:24.42 | karsten | dto: Yes, you can ask the bot (dpkg) what you want, but please /msg it. |
| 20:24.45 | compaq | aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d do I have to restart after? |
| 20:24.48 | dto | karsten: ok |
| 20:25.10 | netgear | abrotman, i have FT serial number :) |
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| 20:25.26 | stew | compaq: no, just "modprobe ipw3945" |
| 20:25.43 | stew | compaq: you might want to list "ipw3945" in /etc/modules if you want the module loaded automatically at boot |
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| 20:26.44 | compaq | Knetworkmanager is bad |
| 20:26.51 | karsten | dansushi:Add'l information about Unix / Linux; the OS was designed from the start to be more open and permissive rather than less. You can set read-only user directories if you want (or set user directory / file perms to 750 / 640, and add other users to your user group if you want them to read your files. |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | netgear: and nothing in the forums about that at all ?> |
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| 20:27.42 | compaq | It wont see my wired card, and sows no wireless networks |
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| 20:28.20 | karsten | dansushi: Otherwise, set home directories 700/600 to keep others from reading them. You can invoke restricted shills if you want (previously described) or use some form of virtualization (KVM would probably be the lightest) to lock users into their own virtualized host. |
| 20:28.32 | netgear | abrotman, maybe im too tired for this right now |
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| 20:29.22 | abrotman | netgear: too much partying! |
| 20:29.29 | dansushi | karsten: thanks for the info, but my knowledge of linux doesn't go that for into what you are saying |
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| 20:29.39 | dansushi | i appreciate it though |
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| 20:29.49 | matttis | !de |
| 20:29.49 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 20:30.43 | lbt | !checkinstall |
| 20:30.43 | dpkg | i heard checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 |
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| 20:31.57 | xingu | hmm, so glibc2.7 about to hit sid |
| 20:32.21 | karsten | dansushi: 700/600 refers to permission modes, which are based on octal. The three digits stand for owner, group, and world permissions, and range from 0 to 7. 0 == no perms, 1 == execute, 2 == read, 4 == write, and you add them up. So 700 == owner read/write/execute (RWX), 660 == owner & group RW. |
| 20:32.29 | abrotman | xingu: they're sid users .. they should know how to deal with it .. right? |
| 20:32.39 | karsten | dansushi: man chmod" |
| 20:32.53 | juso | Anyone know off hand how I could mount a ftp account on local server? |
| 20:32.58 | karsten | dansushi: "man chmod" for more info. (chmod == CHange MODe). |
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| 20:33.03 | xingu | abrotman: it's even ...exp... just for good measure :) |
| 20:33.04 | dansushi | ok, thanks |
| 20:33.09 | karsten | juso: /msg dpkg fuse |
| 20:33.36 | karsten | juso: I'd use mc myself or Konqueror or not Nautilus (though you might look at it) and the application-based FTP support. |
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| 20:33.52 | juso | I dont have xwindow |
| 20:33.57 | Aciid | Hey how can i disallow ssh to outside my computer? |
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| 20:34.07 | Aciid | without installing ssh client |
| 20:34.07 | karsten | Aciid: Firewall |
| 20:34.29 | karsten | Aciid: Firewall. |
| 20:34.29 | Aciid | i mean how can i restrict my clients from using ssh to outside |
| 20:34.40 | Aciid | karsten: ok then |
| 20:34.43 | stew | Aciid: aptitude remove openssh-client |
| 20:34.46 | karsten | Aciid: See above. |
| 20:35.07 | bucky | none of the links work on http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/ except the one to g forge... is there any more documentation for cdbs ? |
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| 20:36.48 | stew | Aciid: other than not letting them have access to an ssh client. there is probably no easy way to do what you want. you can easily block their ability to make connections to remote sites on port 22, but that wouldn't stop them from using ssh on a non-standard port |
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| 20:36.59 | bucky | nm.. i found some at file:///usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs-doc.html |
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| 20:37.13 | Zippy2 | theres always an easy way |
| 20:37.37 | Manoj | stew: how does that work with them using their own ssh client? |
| 20:37.40 | karsten | Aciid: ... unless you had a firewall which inspected packet contents and blocked anything which looked like SSH. |
| 20:37.44 | lbt | hi again... I asked about trying to optimise a boot-up to see when init scripts are being started so I can see where the time is going (ie an instrumented /sbin/init). FWIW the answer was 'bootchart' :) |
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| 20:37.46 | stew | Manoj: it doesn't |
| 20:37.48 | Manoj | sh perl |
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| 20:37.58 | peyj | hello |
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| 20:38.08 | peyj | anyone here who uses wbar? |
| 20:38.18 | karsten | !tell peyj about anyone |
| 20:38.22 | Manoj | libnet-ssh-perl - Perl extension for secure shell |
| 20:38.25 | karsten | peyj: Just ask your question. |
| 20:38.27 | Manoj | libnet-ssh-perl-perl - Perl client Interface to SSH |
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| 20:38.42 | lontra | how do i setup ntfs-3g so that a regular user can mount/unmount my ntfs windows partition? |
| 20:38.58 | peyj | karsten, how can I configure wbars position and such? |
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| 20:39.05 | Manoj | so, with either one of these perl libraries, I can knock up a ssh client that talks to an sshd remotely on a onn-standard port |
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| 20:39.32 | Manoj | If you can't trust your users, you can't stop them from talking to a remote sshd. |
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| 20:39.37 | karsten | peyj: I've got no idea. Ask the channel |
| 20:39.48 | stew | yeah, and if you can't trust your users, don't give them a shell |
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| 20:39.55 | peyj | that was what I did, kinda :P |
| 20:40.02 | peyj | anyone, how can I configure wbars position and such? |
| 20:40.07 | peyj | ;) |
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| 20:40.26 | juso | I need pearl module Cache::File, what is the best way to go about installing? |
| 20:40.30 | juso | perl* |
| 20:40.35 | tralala | peyj, is the fine manual not saying anything? |
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| 20:40.54 | Manoj | libcache-cache-perl - Managed caches of persistent information |
| 20:41.02 | Manoj | libcache-perl - the Cache interface |
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| 20:41.18 | Manoj | libfile-cache-perl - File::Cache, a filesystem-based object store |
| 20:41.42 | karsten | Manoj: A guy I know well works at a place that blocks outbound port 22. For some reason there seem to be a few servers running at 80, 8080, 8081, 443, etc. |
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| 20:42.00 | juso | how would I search for what provides "File:;Cache"? |
| 20:42.09 | goat|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.16 | stew | juso: in general, Foo::Bar will be named libfoo-bar-perl or libfoo-perl. but if you can't find them that way, "apt-file search foo/bar.pm": /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:42.29 | Manoj | karsten: One can easily setup a proxy ssh server that allows redirects set up on port 8080, or something |
| 20:42.31 | karsten | peyj: In general: jsut ask your question. If there's no (or insufficient) response, either Google or find a more apporopriate place to ask. Repeat questions, preface quesations ("does anybody use ...", etc., just clusttter up things and don't do much of any use. |
| 20:42.39 | karsten | Manoj: That too. |
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| 20:43.06 | karsten | Manoj: One response by Security is to threaten imposing a stateful packet-inspection firewall to block anything which looks like SSH. |
| 20:43.16 | bucky | juso, apt-cache search libfile-cache-perl |
| 20:43.21 | xingu | bypassing a network's acceptable use policy seems like a dumb thing to do, to me. |
| 20:43.27 | Manoj | karsten: oh, like openssl? |
| 20:43.33 | petemc | goat|work: see if a link is negotiated in dmesg |
| 20:43.40 | Manoj | karsten: goodbye all https connections :-) |
| 20:43.47 | karsten | Manoj: I suppose the next step would be to get Dan Kaminsky to gin up an SSH-over-DNS solution. |
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| 20:43.54 | karsten | Manoj: ... oh, wait. He already did. |
| 20:43.56 | petemc | goat|work: perhaps you need a cross over cable |
| 20:43.57 | goat|work | petemc: eth0: lin up, full duplex, speed 100 mbps |
| 20:44.10 | petemc | oh |
| 20:44.24 | goat|work | I have used patch, hardware says its auto-sensing switch |
| 20:44.37 | goat|work | sorry, i've used patch in the past with no problem |
| 20:44.38 | karsten | Manoj: http://dnstunnel.de/ http://www.doxpara.com/ |
| 20:44.42 | petemc | common enough these days |
| 20:45.16 | Manoj | I've used dnstunnel once |
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| 20:46.22 | karsten | I've used it somewhat less frequently. |
| 20:46.29 | karsten | But it's one hell of a slick hack. |
| 20:46.31 | stew | i never think of setting up a dns tunnel until i'm somewhere when i'd need one in order to set one up |
| 20:46.38 | petemc | ive heard ozzyman dns is decent |
| 20:46.47 | abrotman | you're all sick! |
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| 20:47.34 | karsten | abrotman: Takes one to know one. |
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| 20:48.18 | DawnLight | a sicko? |
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| 20:49.53 | distatica | I really have no clue where to ask this question, it belongs in a number of different channels. I have a debian laptop, running fluxbox and xtightvncviewer, and I have a windows 2000 box running tightvnc server. I connect with xtighvncviewer -fullscreen and I can't use alt+tab to switch windows. Is this a vnc issue, windows issue, linux issue, any idea? |
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| 20:50.41 | peyj | when using simple-cdd, will dotfiles and such be the same after reinstall? |
| 20:50.42 | tralala | distatica, what if you connect without -fullscreen and use the F8 menu to go to fullscreen? |
| 20:50.58 | peyj | hmm, maybe should have asked that in #custom |
| 20:51.00 | peyj | sorry |
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| 20:51.18 | karsten | distatica: alt-tab won't switch windows within VNC, or for applications outside VNC? |
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| 20:51.26 | distatica | for applications within vnc |
| 20:51.32 | peyj | well, #custom is dead.. :( |
| 20:51.45 | distatica | nothing else is running other than fluxbox and xtightvncviewer, and it's being launched from the fluxbox menu |
| 20:51.47 | karsten | distatica: In general, that's the domain of your windowmanager, which can allow/disallow specific keystrokes / keybindings from being passed through to an application. |
| 20:51.51 | karsten | distatica: See above. |
| 20:51.58 | karsten | distatica: I'd start w/ fluxbox. |
| 20:52.11 | distatica | hmm... ok, so this is a fluxbox question. |
| 20:52.14 | distatica | great, thank you :) |
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| 20:53.29 | karsten | distatica: One quick test would be to run xtighvncviewer on either a bare X session, or under twm (which doesn't steal any keybindings) and see if the problem goes away. |
| 20:53.38 | karsten | distatica: If that's the case, then yes, it's fluxbox. |
| 20:53.45 | karsten | distatica: startx $( which twm ) -- :1 |
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| 20:54.04 | karsten | distatica: ... should launch a twm session on display :1 (vc 8 usually), if run from console. |
| 20:54.49 | projectuber | How can i disable my system to not boot into xwindows by default? |
| 20:54.56 | karsten | distatica: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common # allow any console user to start an X session if necessary. |
| 20:54.59 | karsten | !nox |
| 20:54.59 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 20:55.10 | Honeyman | Hi all. Quite a non-debian question, but for a debian application: can anyone hint me how to draw multi-sheet(page/tab) diagrams in Dia? Is it possible at all? |
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| 20:55.36 | karsten | Honeyman: IME Dia looks a lot better than it is, functionality seems pretty sparse. |
| 20:55.51 | karsten | Honeyman: Might try the KDE office suite or OO.o's drawing program. |
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| 20:56.43 | Honeyman | karsten: err... thanks for hint. For "KDE office suite", do you mean Kivio? |
| 20:57.05 | Honeyman | By "diagrams", I mean a UML diagram. Dia is pretty enough for it... except multiple pages. |
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| 20:58.24 | Manoj | I use bouml for UML diagrams, it is far less effort in bouml |
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| 20:59.00 | edistar | how do I change the CC variable to gcc-4.1? I am trying to install the official nvidia driver.. |
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| 20:59.46 | bucky | edistar, what version does gcc --version say now? |
| 20:59.56 | edistar | bucky: 4.2.3 |
| 21:00.06 | distatica | karsten: I ran TWM, fixed the problem entirely, thank you greatly. |
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| 21:00.18 | edistar | bucky: there was an easy way but I can't remember it.. |
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| 21:00.50 | bucky | edistar, does dpkg -l gcc-4.1 say it's installed with 'ii' |
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| 21:01.28 | edistar | bucky: yep |
| 21:01.40 | edistar | bucky: I just need to tell the system somehow to use gcc4.1 as default |
| 21:02.09 | bucky | edistar, either make /usr/bin/gcc a soft link to gcc-4.1 or export CC=gcc-4.1 |
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| 21:02.39 | edistar | bucky: thats it, export |
| 21:02.44 | edistar | thx |
| 21:02.56 | th0r_at_w0rk | Does anyone here program in LOLCODE? |
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| 21:03.21 | dacs | hi all |
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| 21:03.40 | DawnLight | whats the best way to move a user with all his files from one box to another in a network? |
| 21:03.40 | Th|sD|cK | i need mount ntfs disk, which way is best? |
| 21:03.55 | DawnLight | !tell Th|sD|cK about ntfs-3g |
| 21:03.56 | Honeyman | Did anyone here succeed in running fglrx/unstable (8.42) together with compiz? Any dark magic used? |
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| 21:04.35 | Th|sD|cK | it's what i want hear tnx |
| 21:04.56 | Th|sD|cK | oh but i use etch... |
| 21:05.17 | DawnLight | !tell Th|sD|cK about backports |
| 21:05.20 | DawnLight | me too |
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| 21:05.28 | compaq | I love debian!! |
| 21:05.32 | compaq | Wireless works! |
| 21:05.37 | DawnLight | omg! |
| 21:05.42 | DawnLight | !beer everyone |
| 21:05.46 | compaq | I have wpa! |
| 21:05.48 | abrotman | mmm .. beer |
| 21:05.52 | ameyer | !kill me |
| 21:05.57 | ameyer | nice |
| 21:06.04 | ameyer | !kill yourself |
| 21:06.08 | ameyer | haha... |
| 21:06.18 | ameyer | ok, enough bot abuse from me |
| 21:06.18 | bucky | th0r_at_w0rk, HAI, CAN HAS STDIO?, VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!", KTHXBYE |
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| 21:08.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:09.03 | compaq | What filetype is wpa certificates? |
| 21:09.12 | karsten | distatica: NP. |
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| 21:09.38 | karsten | distatica: The question then becomes: how do you tell fluxbox not to steal specific keybindings from xtighvncviewer. |
| 21:09.57 | karsten | distatica: I know how to do that in WindowMaker, but not fluxbox. RTFM or find an appropriate discussion / list to ask. |
| 21:10.53 | keith4 | any way to hide the mouse with CLI? |
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| 21:10.53 | karsten | keith4: Hide the cheese? |
| 21:11.08 | karsten | keith4: Hide, or disable the mouse? |
| 21:11.10 | DawnLight | whats the best way to move a user with all his files from one box to another in a network? can i just "adduser daddy" and copy the home? |
| 21:11.12 | keith4 | i'd like to move the cheese to the bottom right corner then, and hope that the mouse will follow it |
| 21:11.43 | keith4 | DawnLight: if you want to be diligent, you could use 'find' to find all the files that he owns, too |
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| 21:11.45 | biopyte | quit |
| 21:11.49 | biopyte | quit |
| 21:11.52 | biopyte | exit |
| 21:11.55 | karsten | biopyte: /quit |
| 21:12.00 | biopyte | sorry |
| 21:12.04 | DawnLight | keith4: thanks. /me does |
| 21:12.12 | dto | what is the debian packaging system equivalent of RPM's "noarch"? i'm trying to specify that a package is platform-independent (emacs lisp files) |
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| 21:12.21 | bonez46 | I just attempted to install oo and it ran out of room just with 'dpkg -i *.deb' .. how do I tell it to install in a specific location? |
| 21:12.26 | keith4 | DawnLight: if you don't keep his uid the same, it could be tricky |
| 21:12.41 | bonez46 | I have read the dpkg man pages, but didn't see there how to specify installation location |
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| 21:12.45 | Eulex | bonez46, you can't. |
| 21:12.46 | karsten | keith4: Yes, it's possible (eg: Xine hides the mouse during fullscreen movie playback), but what userspace hooks exist, I don't know. |
| 21:12.56 | mutante | keith4: maybe by stopping the "gdm" demon? |
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| 21:13.11 | juso | Depends: libfuse-perl (>= 0.06) but it is not installable, how can I install it? I think I did the cpan install and things got screwed, anyone help? |
| 21:13.11 | keith4 | mutante: i'm not using gdm |
| 21:13.11 | DawnLight | keith4: adduser --uid ? |
| 21:13.13 | bonez46 | eulex? eh? |
| 21:13.18 | karsten | mutante: Nope. |
| 21:13.20 | karsten | keith4: ^^ |
| 21:13.22 | Eulex | bonez46, well, you can extract to any location, but dpkg -i does more than extract it. |
| 21:13.34 | keith4 | DawnLight: dunno |
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| 21:13.43 | DawnLight | keith4: the idea |
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| 21:13.48 | keith4 | karsten: yah, that's what I'm thinking... it's possible, but i can't figure out how |
| 21:14.13 | bonez46 | Eulex: here's the thing..on this system...running etch..I have 260 mb...for / and yet 360GB for my /home directory....that's where I WANT oo to install |
| 21:14.21 | keith4 | juso: libfuse-perl is packaged... you don't need to use CPAN |
| 21:14.37 | keith4 | bonez46: sounds like someone partitioned poorly |
| 21:14.55 | bonez46 | keith4 how much room should I have for /? |
| 21:15.17 | karsten | keith4: There is an X primitives scripting language. |
| 21:15.20 | bonez46 | anything I can use now, after the fact to enlarge /? |
| 21:15.24 | jelly-home | bonez46: depends on whether you have separate /usr, /var, and /tmp or not |
| 21:15.34 | DawnLight | and bonez46, how come you're using dpgk -i and not aptitude? |
| 21:15.53 | xingu | keith4: my booze-addled memory seems to recall that at one stage something like xli could load a pixmap (.xpm) as the x11 cursor |
| 21:15.55 | keith4 | if you just have / and /home... you're going to want at least several gigs for a system capable of running openoffice |
| 21:16.02 | bonez46 | DawnLight: aptitude does dangerous things....so I stick with apt-get and dpkg |
| 21:16.07 | DawnLight | bonez46: use gparted |
| 21:16.14 | xingu | keith4: you could load a 1x1, transparent pixel pixmap... |
| 21:16.17 | keith4 | xingu: now we're getting somewhere! |
| 21:16.23 | DawnLight | !tell bonez46 about aptitude |
| 21:16.25 | vulture | bonez46: What king of dangerous things? |
| 21:16.34 | jelly-home | xingu: dude, where is my cursor? |
| 21:16.42 | bonez46 | vulture: rips out all sorts of stuff that I want to stay on my system.... |
| 21:16.53 | keith4 | bonez46: sounds like you have bigger problems, then |
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| 21:17.02 | vulture | bonez46: it doesn't remove anything unless you let it. & If it's suggesting you remove things, there may be a reason for it.. |
| 21:17.09 | DawnLight | bonez46: not more dangerous than using a root shell anyhow |
| 21:17.10 | karsten | bonez46: I'd recommend 6-10 GB for a Debian installation. You can do it in less but it's more difficult. |
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| 21:17.43 | bonez46 | karsten: well, I'd like to use some sort of tool and resize it....... |
| 21:17.51 | karsten | bonez46: gparted |
| 21:17.52 | keith4 | what filesystem is it? |
| 21:17.55 | karsten | bonez46: ... or fdisk. |
| 21:17.59 | DawnLight | bonez46: you'd be much happier once you've learned aptitude |
| 21:17.59 | bonez46 | ext3 |
| 21:18.12 | keith4 | you *can* grow ext3... i've done it. but not while it's mounted |
| 21:18.24 | stew | keith4: you can grow ext3 while it is mounted |
| 21:18.34 | bonez46 | so to run gparted....close all apps, right? and then switch to level 1 or 2? |
| 21:18.35 | keith4 | that's the theory, but it scares me |
| 21:18.36 | DawnLight | means you'll have to boot from live cd or something |
| 21:18.38 | bonez46 | and run gparted? |
| 21:18.40 | keith4 | no |
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| 21:18.57 | keith4 | the g in gparted is for Gnome |
| 21:19.04 | bonez46 | ah, ....ok |
| 21:19.14 | karsten | bonez46: My preference is: backup, repartition, build filesystems, restore. |
| 21:19.21 | karsten | keith4: graphical, IIRC. |
| 21:19.21 | mutante | on the console is just "parted" |
| 21:19.42 | karsten | keith4: GNOME. Whatever :) |
| 21:19.46 | keith4 | bonez46: karsten speaks truth |
| 21:19.48 | DawnLight | bonez46: use knoppix or the gparted live cd |
| 21:20.24 | karsten | keith4: It's like the "gnu" in "gnuplot", which stands for "gnuthing" |
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| 21:20.45 | bonez46 | so, even though, here in gnome, I can run gparted.....I shouldn't change anything with a drive mounted., need to unmount first.. |
| 21:20.48 | keith4 | karsten: i'm just relaying what the man page says. don't shoot the messenger ;-) |
| 21:20.52 | karsten | bonez46: I skipped the step of verifying backups (at least partially). |
| 21:20.57 | stew | given the choice of gparted or resize2fs, i'd certainly choose resize2fs |
| 21:21.04 | karsten | keith4: Yeah, yeah. Since when does anyone read manpages? |
| 21:21.19 | keith4 | when one wants to be sure one is correct before opening ones mouth |
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| 21:21.32 | keith4 | stew: he still needs to resize the partition, anyway |
| 21:21.33 | DawnLight | !sure |
| 21:21.37 | keith4 | unless it's LVM |
| 21:21.39 | AKX | What's the command to read/set ext3 file flags? |
| 21:21.43 | rhys | ello all. |
| 21:21.43 | bonez46 | nothing really critical on this box.....for now... |
| 21:21.47 | stew | AKX: tune2fs |
| 21:21.57 | mutante | how do i install all manpages to all packages, without installing all packages |
| 21:21.58 | AKX | stew, no, not that. Per-file flags |
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| 21:22.07 | stew | AKX: chattr |
| 21:22.10 | stew | AKX: (and lsattr) |
| 21:22.10 | AKX | Thanks =) |
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| 21:22.25 | mutante | i asked that before ,but had to sneak it in one more time, because on topic ;) |
| 21:22.29 | karsten | stew: Given the option between a bullet through the brain and amputating a leg, I'd still choose a weeklong vacation in Acapulco. |
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| 21:22.56 | stew | karsten: go for it. take all the time you like |
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| 21:23.09 | rhys | does anyone know of a good howto for PAM + Kerberos and ssh... i want users to be able to log in via ssh, and not root, and only root to log in at the console. |
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| 21:23.25 | mutante | i miss a meta-package that gets them ALL, not like those few in "manpages" |
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| 21:24.09 | famicon | can someone please provide me with a link on how i can create my own install cd with an updated kernel |
| 21:24.27 | stew | famicon: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 21:24.56 | famicon | just what i needed, thank you |
| 21:25.31 | mutante | rhys: "log in via ssh, and not root" = "PermitRootLogin yes/no" in sshd_config, but it sounds like you know that already |
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| 21:26.19 | compaq | How can an IT guy discover I use linux? |
| 21:26.35 | mutante | he could try nmap OS fingerprinting |
| 21:26.44 | jelly-home | there's a good number of ways. |
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| 21:27.00 | compaq | Does it take a long time on 400-1000 computers? |
| 21:27.24 | keith4 | maybe a few hours |
| 21:27.26 | jelly-home | compaq: fingerprinting? matter of minutes |
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| 21:27.34 | keith4 | to fingerprint 1000 comps |
| 21:27.52 | keith4 | compaq: but if you have no ports open.... it's difficult to tell |
| 21:27.58 | compaq | Ok |
| 21:28.06 | compaq | But I need port 80 |
| 21:28.14 | famicon | why, is it illigal to run linux or somjething |
| 21:28.17 | karsten | compaq: Scanning your own box w/ nmap as you close ports is a good way to find out. |
| 21:28.17 | keith4 | you're running a web server? |
| 21:28.18 | famicon | i mean |
| 21:28.29 | jelly-home | keith4: if it's a LAN and there's no need for port scanning, there are known open and closed ports, sure |
| 21:28.31 | famicon | surely your company it crowd will appreciate a fellow penguinista |
| 21:28.34 | karsten | compaq: What famicon said. I'd suggest you find a way to do so w/ approval. |
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| 21:28.52 | mutante | hmm, cant you still discover it from differences in the TCP/IP stack, even if you dont have open ports, but as long as you get some kind of reply |
| 21:29.15 | jelly-home | mutante: yes. there are passive fingerprinting tools |
| 21:29.22 | jelly-home | p0f ? |
| 21:29.36 | compaq | Then I have to change computer name I-m-the-it-guy |
| 21:29.41 | karsten | compaq: If you NAT the host behind another (approved) system, and forward web traffic, you're better off. Note that apache itself will identify the host and SO. |
| 21:29.47 | karsten | compaq: s/SO/OS/ |
| 21:29.49 | dockane | hi all.. just plugged in a pcmcia nic into a thinkpad t21, running etch. dmesg shows eth1: RTL8139 and eth1: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C' but ifconfig says "no such device". what did i miss? |
| 21:30.13 | keith4 | see /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:30.45 | dockane | keith4: i put a static stanza into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:30.56 | dwu_ | my newly installed font shows up in gtk-theme-switch but not when i do xlsfonts |
| 21:31.11 | dwu_ | mscore fonts also doesnt show up in xlsfonts but can be used in firefox |
| 21:31.12 | dwu_ | why is that |
| 21:31.22 | stew | xprobe2 seems to fingerprint a machine in about a second |
| 21:31.25 | famicon | did you rebuild your fontcache |
| 21:31.54 | rhys | mutante: yea. I can disable root login no problem in ssh, but I actually want to do it in pam. And I have no idea how to disable all but root on console login |
| 21:32.06 | dockane | keith4: http://rafb.net/p/gPtqrT81.html |
| 21:32.07 | jelly-home | stew: but you have to know the ports in advance. |
| 21:32.21 | stew | ips? |
| 21:32.28 | karsten | compaq: The bigger point: your employer controls your network, and if you're violating policy you may find yourself with a problem (or without a job) regardless of how well you can hide the host. |
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| 21:32.52 | eth01 | what would happen if I were to add if you like a SATA IDE HDD (10gb) onto my motherboard? |
| 21:32.53 | compaq | If my network has a network thing, windows 2003 server as primary domain controller, can I connect to that? |
| 21:32.54 | jelly-home | stew: no, ports? didn't xprobe2 need to know two open and two closed, two tcp and two udp ports? |
| 21:33.05 | eth01 | so, basically adding a new harddrive. |
| 21:33.12 | dockane | ahh should be some sort of hotplug device, shouldnt it? sorry |
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| 21:33.45 | karsten | compaq: Shure. Duct-tape yourself to the Win2K server. |
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| 21:33.50 | karsten | compaq: Ask a sensible question. |
| 21:33.50 | jelly-home | compaq: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:33.52 | compaq | Is samba usually installed? |
| 21:34.01 | dwu_ | famicon: hwo do i do that? |
| 21:34.02 | karsten | !tell compaq about installit |
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| 21:34.24 | compaq | To get a bittorent tracker into my school network |
| 21:34.29 | bonez39 | I reboot, start up etch in single user mode...give root passwd....question now, since it's in character mode...is parted the way to try to resize on the fly, partitions, or is something else better ? |
| 21:34.35 | stew | jelly-home: no. you can optionally provide some |
| 21:35.05 | karsten | compaq: No non-required packages are installed by default. So no, samba isn't "usually" installed. |
| 21:35.21 | karsten | compaq: It's installed if you install it directly, or install something which depends on it. |
| 21:35.24 | dwu_ | famicon: i did fc-cache -v -c |
| 21:35.27 | dwu_ | didnt work |
| 21:35.30 | compaq | Ok |
| 21:35.50 | compaq | But portmap is non required, and installed b y default |
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| 21:36.04 | karsten | compaq: No, it isn't installed by default. |
| 21:36.16 | compaq | In a basic net inst it came |
| 21:36.17 | karsten | compaq: It's installed if you require portmap in another package (say: NFS). |
| 21:36.31 | compaq | Didn't ask for nfs |
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| 21:36.40 | compaq | Install it |
| 21:36.44 | jelly-home | openbsd-inetd supposedly does rpc. portmap must die. |
| 21:36.50 | cr3 | what's that command to enable or activate apache2 modules on debian? |
| 21:36.55 | karsten | compaq: I didn't say you did, but that would be an example of something qhich requires portmapper. |
| 21:37.39 | compaq | Samba askes for Workgroup/Domain name |
| 21:37.44 | compaq | Samba server |
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| 21:38.14 | compaq | I want to be a client, I think, and if two servers is on the same domain, ho will people connect to |
| 21:38.16 | compaq | ? |
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| 21:39.00 | _yannick | How can I let a normal user use 'mount'? |
| 21:39.11 | karsten | compaq: Install smbclient. |
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| 21:39.30 | karsten | _yannick: man mount sudo |
| 21:39.38 | dalias | or put the user option in fstab |
| 21:39.42 | dalias | for that filesystem |
| 21:39.49 | karsten | dalias: man mount :) |
| 21:39.56 | dalias | okay |
| 21:40.00 | _yannick | that did not work dallias |
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| 21:40.13 | dalias | _yannick, what is your mount command then? |
| 21:40.24 | dalias | you cannot override any options, only mount the volume by name |
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| 21:40.29 | _yannick | #//172.16.120.64/feeds /home/site/public_html_www2/feeds smbfs user,username=cautela_smb 0 0 |
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| 21:40.42 | _yannick | is what I put in /etc/fstab |
| 21:40.52 | dalias | mount /home/site/public_html_www2/feeds |
| 21:40.59 | dalias | should work |
| 21:41.14 | karsten | _yannick: Or you can make your life a living hell and use an automounter. |
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| 21:41.17 | _yannick | then mount -t smbfs -o username=cautela_smb //172.16.120.64/uploads /home/site/public_html_worker/uploads |
| 21:41.25 | dalias | _yannick, you cannot do that |
| 21:41.25 | _yannick | does not work for a normal user |
| 21:41.28 | dalias | just use the command i gave |
| 21:41.31 | _yannick | ok |
| 21:41.50 | wubrgamer | hey guys, I'm currently installing, and it's hanging on INSTALLING THE BASE SYSTEM 6%: retrieving passwd |
| 21:41.50 | dalias | mount-as-user must be completely absent of options and filesystem type |
| 21:41.58 | wubrgamer | is that a bug, will it finish ? |
| 21:42.10 | wubrgamer | or am I fsck'd ? |
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| 21:42.29 | dalias | retrieving passwd? |
| 21:42.34 | stew | wubrgamer: switch to the install logs with "alt-f3" or (or is it alt-f4?) to see if you can see any progress or errors |
| 21:42.35 | dalias | sounds odd |
| 21:42.41 | stew | why? |
| 21:42.42 | mog | anyone else having problems with rhythmbox in debian unstable |
| 21:42.50 | stew | mog: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:42.58 | mog | cant get it to playback anything |
| 21:43.26 | wubrgamer | idk what to make of any of it |
| 21:44.05 | wubrgamer | it seems to be still, it's not doing much |
| 21:44.09 | wubrgamer | or...anything actually... |
| 21:44.19 | compaq | How to use samba? |
| 21:44.33 | karsten | wubrgamer: It's probably trying to retrieve the 'passwd' package, not setting a system password. |
| 21:44.34 | compaq | client |
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| 21:44.48 | _yannick | dalias: I get this error |
| 21:44.48 | _yannick | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.52 | karsten | wubrgamer: Likely a network hiccup between you and your package archive. |
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| 21:45.10 | wubrgamer | aack, how long should this take ? |
| 21:45.23 | karsten | wubrgamer: A few seconds. |
| 21:45.30 | karsten | wubrgamer: ... per package. |
| 21:45.37 | wubrgamer | it's been a few minutes |
| 21:45.40 | karsten | compaq: man smbclient, man smbmount |
| 21:45.53 | juso | Anyone know off hand how I could mount a ftp account on local server? |
| 21:46.26 | karsten | juso: See mycearlier answer |
| 21:46.44 | wubrgamer | urghh....I'll just wait, I'm sure it's nothing, ubuntu has the same thing where it just hangs like this....(I'm trying to convert to debian pure btw...not asking ubuntu Q's in here !) |
| 21:46.46 | karsten | compaq: You'll probably want to install smbfs as well. |
| 21:47.37 | juso | karsten: I know its pkg'ed but I cpaned already, and now things dont seem to want to install, pkgs |
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| 21:49.31 | compaq | !intel screencard |
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| 21:50.01 | compaq | !intelscreencarddriver |
| 21:50.12 | jelly-home | compaq: /msg dpkg stuff |
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| 21:50.28 | compaq | I want intel screencard driver |
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| 21:50.50 | karsten | compaq: I'm not sure there's an intel screencard factoid. /msg dpkg listkeys *pattern* |
| 21:51.14 | karsten | compaq: ... where '*pattern*' is some glob, eg: '*intel*' |
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| 21:51.34 | compaq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.44 | karsten | compaq: No space before the slash. |
| 21:54.18 | TwinX | !windows |
| 21:54.18 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 21:54.23 | Decepticun | where is the Linux kernel (2.6.18-5-686) source directory for debian etch? |
| 21:54.58 | karsten | Decepticun: aptitude install linux-source-<version> |
| 21:55.06 | karsten | !tell Decepticun about search. |
| 21:55.19 | Decepticun | karsten: what does that do |
| 21:55.28 | Decepticun | "linux-source-<version>" |
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| 21:55.59 | karsten | Decepticun: It installs some specified version of linux sources, which would appear to be the answer to your question. |
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| 21:56.29 | AKX | What's the best/preferred BitTorrent client for Debian? |
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| 21:56.41 | amphi | rtorrent |
| 21:56.57 | AKX | Okay.. Then I just need to learn to use it properly ;) |
| 21:57.10 | Decepticun | im trying to build truecrypt and its asking me that question... i dont know what to put down... its giving [/usr/src/linux] in brackets as an example i think |
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| 21:57.15 | Decepticun | karsten: ^^ |
| 21:57.27 | karsten | AKX: I generally use btdownloadcurses or ktorrent myself. |
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| 21:58.29 | karsten | Decepticun: If /usr/src/linux doesn't contain a Kernel source tree, and there isn't one by default unless you install / download one, then get and download a kernel source tree. I'd prefer a sylink from the psecific version to /usr/src/linux/ myself. Note that you can also specify some spcific alternateive path. |
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| 22:01.00 | Decepticun | karsten: so i should pretty much download a linux-source-<version> with apt-get |
| 22:01.14 | \amethyst | Decepticun: you don't need the full sources to compile modules, just the linux-headers-<version>-<arch> package |
| 22:01.21 | techrush | if i install the "rubybook" package from the repos where do i access it from ? |
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| 22:01.42 | Decepticun | \amethyst: im not exactly sure whats required here... |
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| 22:01.46 | Decepticun | being a noob |
| 22:01.54 | TwinX | Decepticun; sudo apt-get linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 22:01.57 | famicon | well go read up dammit |
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| 22:02.02 | \amethyst | Decepticun: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:02.03 | famicon | this isnt #ubuntu |
| 22:02.15 | \amethyst | the linux-source package will not suffice |
| 22:02.43 | \amethyst | since you'd have to at least configure it so you get a config.h etc |
| 22:03.35 | karsten | Decepticun: Yes. |
| 22:03.57 | karsten | Decepticun: Many source packages only require kernel *headers*, not full sources. |
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| 22:04.11 | karsten | Decepticun: OTOH, full sources can be useful for other things, so I tend to grab 'em. |
| 22:04.31 | keith4 | you're making this too hard |
| 22:04.39 | keith4 | Decepticun: what kernel version are you running? |
| 22:04.45 | keith4 | (try 'uname -a') |
| 22:05.07 | karsten | Decepticun: aptitude install kernel-source-$( uname -r ) |
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| 22:05.37 | karsten | Decepticun: ... should grab sources to your current kernel. They're dropped as a b2zipped tarball in /usr/src. Untar them there (or elsewhere). |
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| 22:07.19 | DarkBahamut | wols_: hey, you there? |
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| 22:08.35 | compaq | What desktop effect thing woud you recomend? |
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| 22:10.16 | cast | transparency |
| 22:10.23 | neotic | Cuuuube. |
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| 22:10.54 | DarkBahamut | hey everyone, what version linux would you recommend for laptops? |
| 22:10.58 | dacs | is there is a command i can used for example to generate names from a critria |
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| 22:11.32 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Debian, natch. |
| 22:11.38 | karsten | dacs: Clarify. |
| 22:11.45 | compaq | What program to install? |
| 22:12.14 | DarkBahamut | karsten: natch o.o |
| 22:12.26 | DarkBahamut | karsten: never heard of it ^_^ |
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| 22:12.50 | DarkBahamut | karsten: ill look it up |
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| 22:13.11 | dacs | karsten: i want to provide letters, and the command will generate names |
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| 22:13.52 | karsten | dacs: What sort of letters, what sort of names? |
| 22:13.59 | Gyde | hey, how do I mount/install from a bin file (I have maple from my university in a bin fine) |
| 22:14.17 | karsten | dacs: grep and a wordlists are old faves. |
| 22:14.20 | Gyde | a bin file* |
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| 22:15.16 | karsten | Gyde: What's 'file' say about the filetype? |
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| 22:16.37 | dacs | karsten: for example if i put jim, services,computer,george the out put will be something like jim computer service or jgeorge service or gjim computer services |
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| 22:17.09 | \amethyst | that's a woefully underspecified problem :) |
| 22:17.27 | \amethyst | what about "gjim services computer" |
| 22:17.31 | robboplus_ | is there a user/pass set by default for debian exim4 installation? |
| 22:17.42 | petemc | robboplus_: to do what? |
| 22:17.43 | \amethyst | or "cservices george jim" |
| 22:17.58 | robboplus_ | petemc for SMTP |
| 22:18.13 | petemc | robboplus_: for smtp auth? no, its not set up by default |
| 22:18.26 | robboplus_ | petemc thank you |
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| 22:21.18 | dockane | hmm still no luck with my pcmcia nic on my thinkpad t21/etch: http://nopaste.info/c3ff9c09b9.html any ideas? |
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| 22:22.34 | amphi | dockane: ifconfig -a doesn't show it? |
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| 22:23.10 | dockane | amphi: nope |
| 22:24.02 | karsten | dacs: I'm not following, sorry. |
| 22:24.08 | amphi | I never had any problems with my 8139 cardbus card - are you using the 8139too module? |
| 22:24.17 | dockane | yes |
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| 22:25.52 | Q1713 | could somebody offer me some general linux help |
| 22:26.25 | dacs | karsten: it okay man, i thought i read something about it in a prel document and they say thats how the name prel was born |
| 22:27.08 | snewp | how can i stop smtp service .. i cant seem to find it in rcconf? |
| 22:27.22 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.30 | dacs | snewp: do "w" and kill that process |
| 22:27.37 | petemc | w? |
| 22:27.43 | dacs | yes |
| 22:27.47 | keith4 | no |
| 22:27.49 | petemc | the smtp service is a logged in user? |
| 22:28.00 | keith4 | very unlikely |
| 22:28.10 | keith4 | but that would be interesting |
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| 22:28.32 | keith4 | "hold on guys, i have to log into my mail server and send out some email" |
| 22:28.37 | karsten | dacs: "samba" was made by scanning the system dictionary for all words matching 's.*m.*b.*' |
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| 22:29.02 | karsten | dacs: WTF is "prel" |
| 22:29.11 | keith4 | perl? |
| 22:29.17 | dacs | karsten: yes that was it samba |
| 22:29.18 | zack23 | does this seem right? to mount /dev/sdb (external USB hard drive) /dev/sdb /backup ext3 defaults,acl 0 0 |
| 22:29.22 | keith4 | don't hate on dyslexic typists |
| 22:29.23 | dacs | perl |
| 22:29.28 | valdyn | zack23: no |
| 22:29.31 | mkz | if I removed a module (snd-hda-intel.ko) from /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/ and restore the file (I was testing to see if the driver was causing a problem), how do I get linux to load the driver? I didn't do anything but move the file then move it back, but since I've moved it back it's still not loading... |
| 22:29.38 | unixun | hi, i need screen capture video + audio support for illustration purpose, any idea which application will do that? |
| 22:29.40 | keith4 | !ubuntu |
| 22:29.40 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 22:29.40 | karsten | dacs: :) |
| 22:29.42 | bucky | telnet 127.0.0.1 25 <- talking to my smtp |
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| 22:29.45 | zack23 | valdyn: what's wrong with it? |
| 22:29.49 | petemc | zack23: sure |
| 22:29.59 | dacs | karsten: so how can i search the system dictionary |
| 22:30.03 | valdyn | zack23: no reason not to use at least partitions |
| 22:30.14 | valdyn | zack23: while sdb is the whole disk |
| 22:30.19 | petemc | oh, right |
| 22:30.23 | snewp | thanks petemc |
| 22:30.24 | karsten | dacs: grep <pattern> /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 22:30.26 | \amethyst | unixun: istanbul |
| 22:30.30 | Q1713 | i need a mentor |
| 22:30.33 | zack23 | "/dev/sdb on /backup type ext3 (rw)" |
| 22:30.41 | zack23 | it has no partitions |
| 22:30.49 | keith4 | yikes |
| 22:30.52 | unixun | \amethyst, is it free? |
| 22:30.55 | keith4 | formatted like a giant floppy disk |
| 22:31.02 | karsten | dacs: Eg: grep '^d.*a.*c.*s' /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 22:31.14 | valdyn | zack23: sure it has no partitions since you already overwrite the partition table when running mkfs |
| 22:31.25 | valdyn | zack23: that does not mean that you shouldnt use partitions |
| 22:31.31 | \amethyst | unixun: yes, and it's in debian |
| 22:31.56 | unixun | \amethyst, thanks |
| 22:32.23 | dacs | karsten: i see now , thank you so much |
| 22:32.29 | karsten | dacs: NP |
| 22:32.36 | karsten | dacs: Another fun one is wordplay. |
| 22:32.58 | karsten | dacs: aptitude install wordplay, then "wordplay -x "<your full name>" (or some other text) |
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| 22:33.19 | karsten | dacs: Look for words you'd like to see in the output, then "wordplay -m <word to match> "<your full name>" |
| 22:33.36 | karsten | dacs: That's how I got "mass freakish talent" from my full name ;-) |
| 22:33.42 | \amethyst | unixun: there's also byzanz, which 1) doesn't supprot audio and 2) generates animated GIFs, which as you can imagine get quite full |
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| 22:34.26 | karsten | dacs: s/-m/-w/ |
| 22:34.47 | unixun | \amethyst, thanks again :) |
| 22:34.48 | dacs | karsten: what is s/ -m/-w/ |
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| 22:35.24 | karsten | dacs: from vim / sed: replace '-m' with '-w' above. |
| 22:35.51 | karsten | dacs: s/oldword/newword/ # substitute "newword" for "oldword". |
| 22:35.56 | bonez39 | does knoppix live cd have a default passwd? |
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| 22:36.06 | karsten | bonez39: #knoppix |
| 22:36.10 | karsten | !tell bonez39 about knoppix |
| 22:36.19 | dacs | karsten: what are you saying you lost me 100% |
| 22:36.27 | DarkBahamut | karsten: umm what was the linux called again? |
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| 22:36.51 | dockane | amphi. it works.. for some reason its eth3, not eth1 |
| 22:37.01 | karsten | dacs: It's a shorthand way for describing an edit to perform in a line of text. Rather than rewrite the entire line. |
| 22:37.16 | karsten | dacs: So, fixed, the line I gave you should read: |
| 22:37.22 | bonez39 | karsten: yeah, I realized the folly of my question as soon as I hit Enter |
| 22:37.25 | karsten | dacs: Look for words you'd like to see in the output, then "wordplay -w <word to match> "<your full name>" |
| 22:37.31 | karsten | DarkBahamut: ?? |
| 22:37.33 | karsten | bonez39: NP |
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| 22:37.49 | karsten | DarkBahamut: linux-source-$( uname -r ) |
| 22:37.56 | karsten | DarkBahamut: IIRC your question |
| 22:38.00 | DarkBahamut | karsten: recommended for laptops? you gave me the name of a linux |
| 22:38.08 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Debian. |
| 22:38.12 | mkz | ok, so my question concerning having moved snd-hda-intel.ko is not relavent to the channel since I"m using ubuntu? In a strictly debian installation if a module is removed so as to prevent it from loading then replaced, would there be anything required to get it to load? |
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| 22:38.42 | karsten | DarkBahamut: You're in #debian. The general recommendation is going to be "use Debian" if you ask for a distro comparison. Which in general we don't do. |
| 22:38.43 | DarkBahamut | karsten: i have Debian Etch.. its not working so great with my laptop |
| 22:39.00 | karsten | DarkBahamut: That said, Debian works fine on many laptops. It's what I'm using on my IBM ThinkPad T42p. |
| 22:39.00 | DarkBahamut | karsten: i see |
| 22:39.10 | dserban | virtualbox: problem ... vbox complains that vboxdrv isn't loaded and recommends that I download the modules package, which doesn't exist. Then I try to m-a something, but it's not in the list and try to brute force m-a build virtualbox-ose-guest... still doesn't work. The wiki entry's pretty light on info. Suggestions? |
| 22:39.14 | karsten | DarkBahamut: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 22:39.25 | karsten | DarkBahamut: ... which is to say: describe specifically what does/doesn't work. |
| 22:39.37 | purkinje | how do i register? |
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| 22:39.52 | DarkBahamut | karsten: ive tried many things dpkg says nothing worked so far |
| 22:40.03 | karsten | purkinje: Send your check for $1000 care of me at 100 Main Street, My Fair City, USA. |
| 22:40.07 | cast | purkinje: register for..? |
| 22:40.12 | karsten | purkinje: Register for what? |
| 22:40.15 | purkinje | sure... |
| 22:40.32 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Then ask the channel. Or answer my question: what doesn't work? |
| 22:40.37 | DarkBahamut | karsten: i even upgraded my kernal not even that worked so i thought i should try a different linux |
| 22:40.38 | purkinje | give me the telephone number for the remitent... |
| 22:40.53 | DarkBahamut | karsten: acpi dosent work |
| 22:41.00 | valdyn | geez |
| 22:41.03 | karsten | DarkBahamut: You might also want to run the following script and post it (it generates a list of hardware and system settings): http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/system-info |
| 22:41.21 | purkinje | oh, thanks...!! |
| 22:41.22 | abrotman | steals your pr0n too! |
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| 22:41.35 | dacs | karsten: its not working for me |
| 22:41.40 | purkinje | the open source community is so generous!!! |
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| 22:41.46 | compaq | not me neither |
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| 22:42.01 | amphi | dockane: you can use ifrename or udev to rename it |
| 22:42.03 | bucky | purkinje: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER |
| 22:42.13 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Fixed URL: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/system-info |
| 22:42.14 | purkinje | thanks, bucky |
| 22:42.21 | purkinje | that hurted feelings, right? |
| 22:42.26 | bucky | hehe |
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| 22:42.58 | karsten | Sample output at: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/system-info-ciderhouse |
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| 22:43.10 | dacs | karsten: wordplay -w <dogmatic> "<Jim carry>" |
| 22:43.14 | compaq | Anyone here use opera? |
| 22:43.20 | DarkBahamut | karsten: well.. im on windows right now, was gonna ask if i should get a new linux so i can download it |
| 22:43.41 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Only works if "jim carry" can be used to generate "dogmatic", which it can't. |
| 22:43.47 | dacs | compaq:No, but i watch her thu |
| 22:44.07 | valdyn | DarkBahamut: how are we supposed to give you useful advice if you arent even beginning to tell us what you need, what doesn't work. |
| 22:44.08 | compaq | No, the browser, Not Operah Winfrey |
| 22:44.27 | dacs | lol |
| 22:44.32 | karsten | dacs: wordplay -lx "jim carry" |
| 22:44.51 | compaq | I want someone to develop a progam called Automagical |
| 22:45.13 | DarkBahamut | valdyn: ive explained and asked many times b4 no one can or will help.. |
| 22:45.20 | compaq | It configures all driver, and makes everything work. Just plug and play! |
| 22:45.27 | Internat | so im playing in bash, and i have an executeable that returns 5 lines.. how would i go about ignoring the first 3 lines, and putting the next 2 into variables"? |
| 22:45.31 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Most of that script should run from pretty much any basic Linux boot, including stuff like Tom's Root Boot. I like trying Knoppix and seeing what HW it autodetects, though Debian's pretty much got that all figured out these days too. |
| 22:45.34 | valdyn | DarkBahamut: no you didnt |
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| 22:45.52 | compaq | Anyone here ho can start making it? |
| 22:45.59 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Sometimes it's specific boot options. "acpi=on" or "acpi=noacpi" might, for example, be necessary for your HW. |
| 22:46.07 | DarkBahamut | valdyn: you just were not there when i did |
| 22:46.10 | karsten | DarkBahamut: w/o specific information it's hard to say for sure. |
| 22:46.38 | karsten | compaq: apt-cache show discover |
| 22:46.44 | DarkBahamut | karsten: mine only runs with append acpi=off naopic |
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| 22:47.21 | DarkBahamut | also it has no sound or wlan |
| 22:47.34 | compaq | I dont have soung |
| 22:48.04 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Pretty common for all but very new HW. |
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| 22:48.16 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Address them one at a time. |
| 22:48.29 | karsten | DarkBahamut: Disable acpi then. /msg dpkg sound |
| 22:48.30 | DarkBahamut | karsten: sry about that |
| 22:48.33 | compaq | Hov can I get sound? |
| 22:48.43 | karsten | DarkBahamut: ... and for your wlan card, give info on the card itself. |
| 22:48.47 | karsten | !tell compaq about sound |
| 22:49.05 | DarkBahamut | karsten: ill brb gonna log onto linux |
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| 22:49.21 | karsten | DarkBahamut: The script I gave, run from Knoppix, should give you a pretty good inventory of your system, configuration, drivers, etc. |
| 22:49.27 | karsten | Feh. |
| 22:49.43 | compaq | I have alsa |
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| 22:51.02 | dacs | karsten: what is wrong with this "grep '^M.*l.*s.*r.*s' /etc/dictionaries-common/words" |
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| 22:51.41 | compaq | I apt-got firefox, it gave me iceweasel, why |
| 22:51.46 | compaq | ? |
| 22:52.32 | karsten | dacs: No words match that. |
| 22:52.46 | streuner | compaq: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 22:52.47 | karsten | dacs: Try: grep 'm.*l.*s.*r.*s' /etc/dictionaries-common/words |
| 22:52.53 | dkr | dacs: what are you tryting to find? looks like it might be too greedy |
| 22:52.54 | karsten | dacs: ... five matches. |
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| 22:53.39 | valdyn | compaq: iceweasel is debians rebranded firefox. Rebranding is done for license reasons |
| 22:53.41 | dacs | dkr: busniess name |
| 22:53.43 | dacs | :) |
| 22:53.58 | twobitsprite | how can I tell what file system a partition is? I found this mysterious third partition on my disk... |
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| 22:54.37 | dkr | dacs: I don't think "molesters" would be a good business name. ;) |
| 22:54.47 | dacs | yep |
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| 22:54.59 | twobitsprite | dkr, I suppose that depends on the business, doesn't it? :P |
| 22:55.20 | dacs | jinitor services |
| 22:55.23 | karsten | twobitsprite: Mount it w/ '-t auto' option, and mount will autodetect it. |
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| 22:55.32 | dacs | lol |
| 22:55.34 | dacs | hahahah |
| 22:55.43 | dkr | dacs: "Clean Sweep" |
| 22:55.47 | twobitsprite | karsten, it says I must specify the filesystem type |
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| 22:56.07 | karsten | twobitsprite: then there's likely no FS. |
| 22:56.13 | twobitsprite | hmm, strange |
| 22:56.14 | dkr | dacs: "White Glove" |
| 22:56.26 | karsten | twobitsprite: or it's one that's not loaded. |
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| 22:56.47 | karsten | twobitsprite: 'cat /proc/filesystems' will list currently recognized filesystems. |
| 22:56.49 | darkbahamut | karsten: heres my lspci http://paste.debian.net/42941 |
| 22:56.50 | twobitsprite | ohh wait... it's an extended partition :P |
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| 22:57.46 | karsten | twobitsprite: Yeah, that could do it. |
| 22:57.52 | karsten | twobitsprite: Don't nuke it then :) |
| 22:57.58 | karsten | twobitsprite: 'fdisk -l /dev/<disk> |
| 22:58.01 | dkr | "two bits" fits for that, though. :) |
| 22:58.15 | dacs | i gtg guys |
| 22:58.22 | dacs | talk to you later |
| 22:58.29 | dacs | thanks for all the help |
| 22:58.31 | karsten | dkr: Brought to you by the same folks who thought "640KB should be enough for anybody" |
| 22:58.41 | dacs | exit |
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| 22:58.55 | xand | I have ntp installed and running but the time is out by 80 seconds... why might that be? :| |
| 22:59.10 | cast | use LVM, who gives a shit @ 4 partition limit :) |
| 22:59.16 | dkr | xand: out compared to what? |
| 22:59.28 | xand | dkr: real time :P |
| 22:59.44 | dkr | xand: and it takes a while to synch and figure out clock skew. been running ntpd long? |
| 22:59.46 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to get wlan Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) working? |
| 22:59.59 | dkr | xand: what is your source for "real time"? |
| 23:00.10 | xand | work server and the BT speaking clock |
| 23:00.32 | eth01 | 123 |
| 23:00.37 | xand | yes, 123 |
| 23:00.40 | dkr | you could run ntpq and get mroe details about the servers your ntp is conecting to |
| 23:00.41 | eth01 | and BT have nothing to do with it. |
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| 23:00.46 | xand | well, whatever :P |
| 23:01.07 | petemc | eth01: sure they do |
| 23:01.14 | dkr | the AT&T time service was ended this year i vaguely recall reading about. the last in the us |
| 23:01.20 | eth01 | petemc: nope. |
| 23:01.33 | compaq | Does AT&T have ipv6? |
| 23:01.35 | petemc | eth01: its called the bt speaking clock |
| 23:01.47 | xand | "BT's sponsored Timelin" |
| 23:01.49 | xand | +e |
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| 23:02.08 | xand | wikipedia claims it's a BT service |
| 23:02.15 | eth01 | petemc: it's not entirely owned by BT. |
| 23:02.23 | petemc | .. |
| 23:02.27 | dkr | no one cares about england |
| 23:02.42 | eth01 | nobody cares about fat amercians |
| 23:02.47 | petemc | easy now |
| 23:02.49 | eth01 | oh, sorry. |
| 23:02.56 | eth01 | i was being stereotypical. |
| 23:03.12 | xand | what about the fat english? |
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| 23:03.23 | dkr | heh, using stereotypes as insults is a stereotype now? :) |
| 23:03.24 | eth01 | :P |
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| 23:03.39 | eth01 | dkr: no, a stereotype is a stereotype. |
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| 23:03.55 | xand | I prefer 7.1 surround types. |
| 23:03.55 | dto | i cannot seem to get checkinstall to produce anything but i386 architecture debs. i'm passing --arch="any" and it doesn't work |
| 23:03.56 | mike1o | im having a weird package conflict, vlc won't install and it has the "c" next to it in aptitude... |
| 23:04.02 | dto | also tried --pkgarch="any" |
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| 23:04.22 | phaidros | whats the recommended way to have a mailinglist manager with webinterface on a postfix/virtual system? |
| 23:04.25 | phaidros | especially if I'd wanted to have different webinterfaces for different list hosts .. |
| 23:04.26 | puchu | hi |
| 23:04.28 | phaidros | any suggestions? |
| 23:04.30 | dkr | eth01: look up the words "using" and "being" :) |
| 23:04.36 | puchu | in which package van i find stdio.h? |
| 23:04.39 | eth01 | dkr: ... |
| 23:04.40 | xand | phaidros: dunno, we use sympa but with exim |
| 23:04.51 | phaidros | xand: ok :) |
| 23:04.53 | eth01 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eth01 |
| 23:04.54 | eth01 | ;) |
| 23:04.59 | phaidros | but sympa webinterface is rather ugly .. |
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| 23:05.14 | xand | phaidros: it's also slow :( |
| 23:05.31 | phaidros | yeah, neaver liked sympa. |
| 23:05.34 | dkr | mailman? |
| 23:05.40 | phaidros | mailman is nice but bloated .. |
| 23:05.55 | phaidros | I'm actually looking for an alternative with webinterface .. |
| 23:06.00 | dkr | if you don't want any bloat, there is always majordomo, :) |
| 23:06.10 | phaidros | anyone tried minimalist with minimalist-manager ? |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | if you want a daily headache .. there's majordomo :) |
| 23:06.20 | phaidros | dkr: hmmm, actually never tried it :D |
| 23:06.24 | abrotman | mailman isn't too bad |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | and the guys in #mailman are actually helpful |
| 23:06.42 | dkr | phaidros: majordomo is a really old one, was the most popular before web admin concept even existed |
| 23:06.46 | tiredbones_ | now that I have my printer connect on lenny system I'm going to try to get my camcorder to work. I have a Panasonic pv-dv202; what software do I need to install for this camcorder? |
| 23:06.47 | eth01 | dkr: refresh ... |
| 23:06.54 | jelly-home | Mailman works. GUI could be better. |
| 23:06.57 | phaidros | hm, true, but I'm getting headache thinking of mailman to configure different mailinglist vdomains / webinterfaces .. |
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| 23:07.36 | jelly-home | phaidros: you need patches to get real virtual domain support |
| 23:07.53 | phaidros | actually I've to confess I liked ezmlm with qmail very much .. that was a nice one .. |
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| 23:08.07 | phaidros | jelly-home: are you aware of a howto for that? |
| 23:08.37 | dkr | ezmlm's anthropomorphism is annoying :) |
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| 23:08.58 | phaidros | damn, if I'd know what that means :D |
| 23:09.12 | dkr | attributing human qualities to the non-human |
| 23:09.21 | jelly-home | phaidros: I have my own patchset. ;-) There's one or two well known and maintained patches, ask in #mailman or browse the sf.net requests / bugs list |
| 23:09.26 | eth01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.26 | phaidros | yeah in that manner I liked it, lol |
| 23:09.41 | phaidros | thx eth01 |
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| 23:10.11 | phaidros | jelly-home: what do you actually solve with your conf/patches? what kind of scenario? |
| 23:10.32 | jelly-home | eth01: you're aware you just said ezmlm does it (and not its authors), right? |
| 23:10.44 | dkr | jelly-home: lol |
| 23:10.50 | eth01 | anthropomorphism .... |
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| 23:10.56 | jelly-home | phaidros: lists foo@domain.com and foo@domain2.org |
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| 23:11.01 | dkr | self-referential humor, ftw |
| 23:11.44 | eth01 | dkr: nice use of language, it's as if you're trying to 'win' one over-me. |
| 23:11.47 | phaidros | jelly-home: and does your mailman serve that on 2 seperate webinterfaces? so you have all lists from vdomain1 on http://lists.vdomain1 and the same for vdomain2 ? |
| 23:11.48 | eth01 | it's failing :) |
| 23:11.57 | Schalken | how come http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gimp says gimp in testing is 2.4, but http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gimp and my package manager says its 2.2? |
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| 23:13.01 | jelly-home | phaidros: currently all the domains share the same web host. |
| 23:13.15 | phaidros | jelly-home: thats what I want to avoid .. :/ |
| 23:13.20 | dkr | eth01: uhm, I made a comment about a mailing lis tmanagement system. Not everything is about you, you Narcissist. ;) |
| 23:13.23 | phaidros | jelly-home: any ideas for such a thing? |
| 23:13.34 | eth01 | phaidros: that would only work if you were to run an internal domain naming system. |
| 23:13.34 | unixun | \amethyst, do you know any application that can convert from swf to avi or mpg? |
| 23:13.43 | jelly-home | phaidros: haven't integrated it with our dns yet, and it's basically a cosmetic issue |
| 23:13.47 | eth01 | dkr: lol |
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| 23:14.03 | compaq | How can I find the name of a "hidden" network? |
| 23:14.09 | abrotman | it's hidden .. |
| 23:14.16 | darkbahamut | hey umm how do i install flash player in debian etch? |
| 23:14.27 | phaidros | hm, but is mailman capable of showing only the lists hosted on the vdomain which is served via http as well? |
| 23:14.27 | compaq | my neigboer has hidden |
| 23:14.35 | dkr | compaq: networks don't really have names (unless you are talkign about windows workgroups maybe) |
| 23:14.36 | jelly-home | phaidros: I don't know about the multiple web interfaces. But this is the well known patch: http://nix.lauft.net/mailman/ |
| 23:14.37 | compaq | I want some fast internet |
| 23:14.40 | eth01 | compaq: airsnort. |
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| 23:14.51 | compaq | dkr: Wireless dofus |
| 23:14.52 | eth01 | compaq: I don't endorse "stealing" WiFi either :) |
| 23:15.02 | compaq | I'm not stealing |
| 23:15.04 | dkr | compaq: you are hear seeking help by insulting people? |
| 23:15.08 | dkr | er, here |
| 23:15.08 | compaq | Borowing |
| 23:15.21 | phaidros | jelly-home: thanx mate! |
| 23:15.24 | eth01 | you are wanting to look at 'hidden' networks, so you can get 'fast internet' - and that's not stealing? |
| 23:15.29 | eth01 | then what the fuck is it. |
| 23:15.29 | compaq | dkr: You are here helping by spelling wrong? |
| 23:15.46 | compaq | No, the guy doesn't loose anything |
| 23:15.50 | eth01 | whatever. |
| 23:15.54 | nick_ | Is there a command that will tell you all the hosts on your local network? |
| 23:15.55 | Maenad | i installed netatalk from synaptic package manager. can someone tell me how i would add a user who can connect to it? |
| 23:15.59 | compaq | I borrow capacity on his line |
| 23:16.01 | dkr | compaq: lose. not loose ;) |
| 23:16.04 | phaidros | compaq: german lĂaw eg says it is illegal touse a protected (hidden) and therefore privte communication channel .. |
| 23:16.29 | eth01 | exuses, exuses. |
| 23:16.40 | compaq | Then send the german police on my neigboer |
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| 23:16.49 | phaidros | well, compaq start a free network :) |
| 23:16.51 | dkr | we need a name for the internet phenomenon whereby if you complain about someone's spelling/grammar you are bound to make a mistake yourself |
| 23:17.01 | phaidros | make a mesh, based on free software like openwrt |
| 23:17.06 | nick_ | dkr (fuckwit) |
| 23:17.17 | Penix_ | heh |
| 23:17.24 | eth01 | phaidros: lol |
| 23:17.35 | jelly-home | phaidros: I think there was another, perhaps better maintained patch (at least I think it was newer), but can't find it now. Try #mailman |
| 23:17.36 | compaq | Then maybe you should help me make it visibole so that he doesnt get in legal troubles? |
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| 23:17.55 | dkr | wow, did this channel degrade so much in a week? |
| 23:17.57 | phaidros | eth01: well, nothing funny there :) ppl do it, there are networks with over 2 thousand nodes in europe .. |
| 23:18.07 | phaidros | completely free and civil society based :D |
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| 23:18.30 | phaidros | jelly-home: on freenode? |
| 23:18.31 | eth01 | I want my 50meg connection, to stay at 50meg :) |
| 23:18.35 | Penix | dkr: you're new here, aren't you? |
| 23:18.43 | stew | nick_: i'm giving you a 10 minute break. please refrain from calling people names in the future |
| 23:18.43 | jelly-home | phaidros: yeah |
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| 23:19.12 | stew | dkr: compaq: please keep it constructive. and ignore the spelling and grammar mistakes. use /ignore if you must |
| 23:19.18 | phaidros | eth01: I want my 26mbit connection freely used by anybody who doesn't actually steal my needed bandwidth, assuring that by QOS :) |
| 23:19.41 | jelly-home | phaidros: do you upside-down-ternet them? |
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| 23:19.52 | phaidros | jelly-home: ?? |
| 23:20.11 | dkr | he called me a "dofus" when I mentioned that networks don't really have names as a prelude to trying to understand his question. I only corrected his misspelling after he complained about mine. sheesh, things have deterioted |
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| 23:20.35 | eth01 | personal choice. |
| 23:20.36 | jelly-home | phaidros: obviously not. I won't spoil the joke by explaining it, though. |
| 23:20.47 | phaidros | compaq: its a setting on his acces point. he can hide/show the essid |
| 23:21.18 | phaidros | jelly-home: sry :) as non native language-jokes nearĂly almost pass by me .. hehe, no worries :D |
| 23:21.32 | eth01 | also, allowing other people to openly connect to my network would jeapordize my personal security. |
| 23:21.36 | jelly-home | phaidros: nah, just google it ;-) |
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| 23:22.36 | eth01 | typo ^ |
| 23:22.37 | phaidros | jelly-home: hm, I don't like the upside-down-ternet attitude to much :) |
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| 23:22.54 | phaidros | actually its about bridging the digital devide |
| 23:22.59 | phaidros | and that meant seriously |
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| 23:23.04 | eth01 | internet should be free anyway. |
| 23:23.09 | phaidros | yeah |
| 23:23.28 | phaidros | alot of ppl contribbuting in creating thos networks. strong communities get created .. |
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| 23:23.37 | eth01 | i don't care what anybody says, internet should be free :) |
| 23:23.41 | phaidros | free networks like free software :D |
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| 23:26.06 | phaidros | ok, that was to much swing with the morality club :) |
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| 23:27.06 | dimbit | any idea why I can only see the first 1Gb of my 2Gb SD card??! |
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| 23:27.50 | snewp | how can i change the text in bootup it seems so large i have uncomment this out fdefoptions=vga=773 from /boot/grub but still the same |
| 23:28.14 | timri | snewp: vga=791 |
| 23:28.35 | snewp | timri, and do i have to do grub-update ? |
| 23:28.41 | timri | snewp: nope |
| 23:28.49 | snewp | ah ok thanks |
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| 23:29.41 | compaq | stew: dofus |
| 23:29.53 | compaq | not two o |
| 23:29.55 | compaq | s |
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| 23:31.15 | lontra | anyone know how i would wrap text around a table in oo.org2? |
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| 23:31.46 | timri | lontra: Put it in its own frame ? dunno |
| 23:31.54 | melodosgr | is there any kind of way to change gnome's windows style and not having other windows poping ? |
| 23:32.15 | snewp | themes ? |
| 23:32.18 | melodosgr | i just want to click on a folder and to stay always on one window |
| 23:32.21 | melodosgr | is that it? |
| 23:32.26 | cast | thats a nautilus setting |
| 23:32.26 | snewp | ow |
| 23:32.28 | melodosgr | i need themes? |
| 23:32.34 | cast | set it to be a browser |
| 23:32.36 | snewp | cast is correct |
| 23:32.48 | melodosgr | cast: how mate? |
| 23:32.50 | snewp | i just dont know how |
| 23:33.04 | snewp | i've been facing that too |
| 23:33.13 | cast | well, nautilus --browser will do what you want, i don't know how to set it to always be on from the gui |
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| 23:33.32 | Schalken | how can i install an i386 package on an amd64 system? i am trying to install opera. |
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| 23:34.38 | timri | melodosgr: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser true |
| 23:34.47 | timri | melodosgr: disclaimer I use KDE |
| 23:35.10 | melodosgr | timri: do i put that on terminal? |
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| 23:35.18 | timri | melodosgr: yes |
| 23:35.24 | melodosgr | cheers |
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| 23:35.56 | timri | melodosgr: You'll have to log out and in I think |
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| 23:37.38 | melodosgr | timri: it worked straight away like a charm |
| 23:37.44 | melodosgr | thanx a lot buddy ;) |
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| 23:38.11 | dokma | stew: I managed to lock my self out of the server |
| 23:38.19 | dokma | even though I used the fallbacks |
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| 23:38.24 | karmatronic | hello |
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| 23:40.06 | melodosgr | im having another small prob as well.. im trying to install netbeans for java and although ive already installed jdk and jre it says theres no virtual java machine on my system.. any ideas out that? |
| 23:40.16 | timri | esteel: THE esteel? Mr nexuiz ?? |
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| 23:40.40 | esteel | uhm.. lol yeah but i hardly think so :) |
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| 23:41.31 | timri | esteel: Ah, pls ignore me then. I might have mixed you up with someone else. |
| 23:41.56 | tiredbones_ | Does anyone here use MPlayer with a camcorder? |
| 23:42.01 | esteel | timri: well i mean i'm involved with nexuiz indeed.. but i hardly think of me as mr nexuiz :P |
| 23:42.25 | timri | esteel: Ah, ok. I only remember you kicking my butt all the time |
| 23:42.51 | timri | esteel: Speaking of which, "dont shoot santa" time is coming :) |
| 23:43.15 | esteel | indeed.. hope i finde some time, was rather busy with work as of late |
| 23:43.25 | esteel | i think i did not play in 2 months :( |
| 23:44.27 | timri | esteel: I re-started playing 2 weeks ago (left for a while for the lack of CTF quality and my own general suckiness :) |
| 23:44.32 | mbroeker | tiredbones_, i think you need something like mplayer tv://1 -tv driver=v4l:device=/dev/video0 |
| 23:45.22 | timri | tiredbones_: Not what you asked, but I use my webcam with vlc like this: vlc -I dummy -v --noaudio --ttl 12 v4l:/dev/video0:size=320x240 |
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| 23:46.18 | esteel | timri: well 2.4 is in the works :) |
| 23:46.33 | timri | esteel: Cool! |
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| 23:46.43 | tiredbones_ | mbroeker, thanks for the info. |
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| 23:47.06 | esteel | timri: well main stuff will be the new menu.. hope we can finish it in time |
| 23:47.22 | timri | esteel: In time? For what? |
| 23:47.43 | esteel | well its been long enough since 2.3 :) |
| 23:47.48 | tiredbones_ | timri, that gives me some idea what I got to do. thanks |
| 23:48.00 | timri | esteel: May 31 ? |
| 23:48.20 | esteel | timri: that would be too late imo :) |
| 23:48.28 | timri | :) |
| 23:49.21 | esteel | meh i still have an invitation to fosdem to answer.. and work tomorrow.. need some sleep first :P |
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| 23:49.43 | esteel | night timri, see you.. |
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| 23:49.49 | timri | esteel: cya |
| 23:50.01 | salvin_ | who use mplayer? |
| 23:50.14 | timri | salvin_: I do |
| 23:50.22 | mbroeker | too |
| 23:50.46 | timri | salvin_: As a matter of fact I ran svn update just now :) |
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| 23:51.08 | salvin_ | timri, you have nav? |
| 23:51.27 | timri | salvin_: ? |
| 23:51.31 | salvin_ | for navigate in a dvd menu? |
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| 23:51.57 | timri | salvin_: I don't own ANY DVD :) |
| 23:52.19 | salvin_ | pirate!!! :) |
| 23:52.31 | melodosgr | can someone help me please? :( ive just installed jdk through the debian repos but when i install netbeans on my machine says that the jdk is not installed!! ?? |
| 23:52.36 | timri | salvin_: Absolutely not, I just dont watch all that much :) |
| 23:53.00 | stew | melodosgr: which jdk did you install? |
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| 23:53.03 | dokma | melodosgr: probably something about paths |
| 23:53.05 | melodosgr | 6 |
| 23:53.15 | stew | melodosgr: netbeans requires 5 |
| 23:53.16 | timri | melodosgr: export JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun" |
| 23:53.16 | melodosgr | but how is that possible? |
| 23:53.31 | melodosgr | hmm |
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| 23:53.46 | melodosgr | timri: what |
| 23:53.46 | melodosgr | ? |
| 23:54.07 | stew | melodosgr: err, no, i'm wrong, i'm sorry the newer ones should work with 6 |
| 23:54.10 | timri | It's an env var you need to point to the correct java path |
| 23:54.34 | melodosgr | timri: terminal? |
| 23:54.41 | timri | melodosgr: Yep :) |
| 23:54.44 | stew | melodosgr: i don't believe you have to set that environment variable |
| 23:54.53 | stew | melodosgr: can you show us the exact error you are getting? |
| 23:55.13 | melodosgr | timri: it just says that it searches for a jvm machine and it cant find it |
| 23:55.16 | stew | melodosgr: and you should doublecheck what if anything is in /usr/share/doc/netbeans-*/README.Debian |
| 23:55.17 | melodosgr | so it fails installation |
| 23:55.29 | stew | melodosgr: wait, what command are you using to isntall it? |
| 23:55.36 | timri | melodosgr: By the way: you'll want to add that line to ~/.bashrc |
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| 23:55.52 | melodosgr | im just doing ./the binary |
| 23:56.08 | stew | melodosgr: wait, you mean you aren't using the netbeans package? |
| 23:56.10 | timri | stew: Curious, It was needed on my pc. (downloaded netbeans 5.5 from the site, though) |
| 23:56.28 | melodosgr | its very odd cause it worked great on etch |
| 23:56.41 | melodosgr | doing the same thing using the etch repos |
| 23:56.43 | stew | timri: i was assuming he was using the debian packages, since he was using the debian packages for java |
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| 23:56.47 | melodosgr | and then install jdk 6 |
| 23:57.00 | melodosgr | it just wored |
| 23:57.03 | melodosgr | ked* |
| 23:57.04 | stew | melodosgr: is there a reason you aren't using the debian packages? |
| 23:57.18 | melodosgr | huh? im using em |
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| 23:57.41 | stew | melodosgr: how did you install netbeans? |
| 23:57.57 | stew | melodosgr: you said you "./the binary" but that is not the way you would install a debian package |
| 23:57.57 | melodosgr | by just doin ./netbeans etc.. |
| 23:58.03 | |DawnLight| | how do i test alsa? |
| 23:58.10 | melodosgr | its not the debian package |
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| 23:58.25 | stew | melodosgr: yes, i know. i'm asking if you have a good reason not to use the debian package? |
| 23:58.26 | _Alix | melodosgr, "java -version" |
| 23:58.26 | melodosgr | not even sure if there is a netbeans debian package |
| 23:58.35 | stew | melodosgr: there is |
| 23:58.39 | melodosgr | lol |
| 23:58.41 | melodosgr | really? |
| 23:58.41 | _Alix | you don't need to use the package |
| 23:58.41 | stew | !info netbeans-ide |
| 23:58.43 | dpkg | netbeans-ide: (IDE for Java Development and More), section contrib/devel, is optional. Version: 5.5.1+dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 69590 kB, Installed size: 152592 kB |
| 23:58.43 | tiredbones_ | when trying to install MPlayer, using synaptic, the message informs me that the software is not authenticated. Should I still use it? |
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| 23:59.00 | stew | _Alix: he doesn't need to use the netbeans package. but if he was using it, he wouldn't ahve the problems he is having |
| 23:59.09 | |DawnLight| | i mean, after i've installed alsa-base and alsa-utils and succesfully ran alsaconf. what would be a simple way to test it? |
| 23:59.12 | _Alix | oh because apt fixes everything |
| 23:59.27 | _Alix | tell me, how does apt fix everything when you want mysql4 and it will only give you 5 |
| 23:59.28 | minus198 | Hi.. Im trying to compile: awn-extras-applets-0.2.1 But it complains about the package "Awn" not being found.. And I just installed awn and I even have the bar running. |
| 23:59.38 | elmo40 | DawnLight: open xmms |
| 23:59.42 | elmo40 | play music... |
| 23:59.42 | stew | _Alix: mysql4 is no longer availalbe in the current debian release |
| 23:59.54 | |DawnLight| | elmo40: don't have neither |
| 23:59.54 | _Alix | yes but news flash, some applications require it |
