| 00:00.04 | elmo40 | DawnLight: then what do you have alsa for? |
| 00:00.06 | _Alix | hence install without packages, which works just as well I might ad |
| 00:00.06 | stew | _Alix: like what? |
| 00:00.12 | melodosgr | stew: im downloading now.. hopefully this gonna work |
| 00:00.22 | |DawnLight| | elmo40: nexuiz, mainly |
| 00:00.39 | elmo40 | DawnLight: what is that? |
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| 00:01.27 | |DawnLight| | a game in debian, elmo40 |
| 00:01.29 | stew | _Alix: you can use the mysql 4 pacakges from sarge if you need mysql-server. however anything in debian should be able to work with mysql5 |
| 00:01.50 | |DawnLight| | !info nexuiz |
| 00:01.53 | dpkg | nexuiz: (A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 2.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 604 kB, Installed size: 1936 kB |
| 00:01.58 | _Alix | pointless argument |
| 00:02.01 | elmo40 | DawnLight: then run the game! |
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| 00:02.45 | timri | |DawnLight|: Just for the record, Nexuiz through sdl can use almost anything: esd oss alsa etc... |
| 00:02.45 | stew | _Alix: argument? oh. i thought you were looking for help. didn't know you were looking for an argument. |
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| 00:03.25 | melodosgr | stew: ive installed it through the deb package.. everything went roses.. love debian so much lol |
| 00:03.26 | minus198 | Could anyone answer my question? :/ |
| 00:03.34 | elmo40 | melodosgr: lovely, eh? |
| 00:03.37 | _Alix | Im not, im just saying that the package manager is not the be all and end all |
| 00:03.59 | timri | minus198: We might, if we knew what your question is :) |
| 00:04.03 | minus198 | Hi.. Im trying to compile: awn-extras-applets-0.2.1 But it complains about the package "Awn" not being found.. And I just installed awn and I even have the bar running. |
| 00:04.04 | stew | _Alix: do you have an actual quetsion? you asked one, but seemed to get upset when i tried to give you an answer to it |
| 00:04.08 | minus198 | There it is timri |
| 00:04.11 | _Alix | what did I ask? |
| 00:04.17 | timri | :) |
| 00:04.19 | stew | 18:59 < _Alix> tell me, how does apt fix everything when you want mysql4 and it will only give you 5 |
| 00:04.21 | elmo40 | minus198: then you need to 'tell' it where it is... soemthing like awn=/usr/share/... |
| 00:04.28 | _Alix | it was hypothetical |
| 00:04.33 | stew | _Alix: if you want help getting mysql4 installed via apt, i could help with that |
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| 00:04.43 | minus198 | elmo40, ok.. |
| 00:05.10 | _Alix | please don't highlight me, and its running from source, along with postgres thank you |
| 00:05.10 | elmo40 | minus198: did you ./configure ? If so, then edit the file to point to the correct location where it is installed |
| 00:05.20 | minus198 | ok |
| 00:05.40 | dondelelcaro | while there are certainly problems that the packaging system can't solve, like world hunger and cancer, for those that it can, you should use it. |
| 00:05.55 | _Alix | thanks |
| 00:06.13 | timri | dondelelcaro: aptitude purge world-hunger |
| 00:06.26 | elmo40 | timri: then no one gets rich! |
| 00:06.48 | melodosgr | my last question for today :P how do i switch off compiz without log off? |
| 00:07.00 | dalias | no, sadly idiots will still buy stuff even when they have everything they need |
| 00:07.03 | elmo40 | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 00:07.04 | elmo40 | :P |
| 00:07.16 | dalias | elmo40, ... |
| 00:07.22 | elmo40 | ;) Had to... |
| 00:07.35 | melodosgr | elmo40: :P |
| 00:07.46 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:07.48 | dondelelcaro | melodosgr: most window managers can take over a running window manager, or have a replace option |
| 00:07.59 | elmo40 | that nexuiz game is almost 300mb! How does it compare to warsow? |
| 00:08.08 | dalias | dondelelcaro, only if the existing wm is willing to exec them. |
| 00:08.49 | elmo40 | DawnLight: you there? |
| 00:10.14 | timri | elmo40: No :) |
| 00:10.26 | Th|sD|cK | hey guys, mt debian use 713.824 KB of ram! Is it normal?!Can I minimize ram usage? |
| 00:10.41 | elmo40 | that is high... |
| 00:10.42 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 00:10.42 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 00:10.47 | elmo40 | what do you have running? |
| 00:10.48 | minus198 | elmo40, i cant find it in "configure" |
| 00:11.02 | elmo40 | minus198: what are you trying to install? |
| 00:11.16 | minus198 | elmo40, awn-extra-applets |
| 00:11.29 | elmo40 | and that would be... |
| 00:12.01 | minus198 | you know what Avant window navigator is? |
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| 00:12.15 | minus198 | elmo40, http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ |
| 00:12.26 | minus198 | https://launchpad.net/awn *** |
| 00:12.46 | minus198 | i've installed the Bar, and everything works, just that I want some applets.. |
| 00:13.02 | minus198 | and now it complains about "No package 'awn' found" |
| 00:14.12 | elmo40 | sorry, cant help you (if you didnt notice) |
| 00:14.15 | Maenad | i looked online for about an hour to try and figure out a simple configuration for /etc/samba/smb.conf so that i can access my home dir over my network and i cant come up with anything that works. would someone mind helping me set that file up? |
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| 00:14.25 | HockeyInJune | I remember using pppoeconf on Ubuntu, now I have Debian, and that doesnt work. How do I set up my PPPoE connection on Debian? |
| 00:14.40 | abrotman | pppoeconf |
| 00:14.46 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 00:14.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 00:15.01 | elmo40 | lol |
| 00:15.04 | Th|sD|cK | elmo40, not so much! xorg takes 46.864KB, amarokapp takes 150.056 KB, konqueror takes 40.196 KB, knotify takes 34.272 KB |
| 00:15.06 | Ace2016 | Th|sD|cK: what program is using the ram and how? |
| 00:15.22 | elmo40 | amarok takes 150??? now that sucks... |
| 00:15.32 | HockeyInJune | bash: pppoeconf: command not found |
| 00:15.36 | elmo40 | why would that be so high? |
| 00:15.42 | Th|sD|cK | i don't know! |
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| 00:15.45 | abrotman | it's a Qt app ? :) |
| 00:15.49 | Th|sD|cK | swap is 0 |
| 00:16.15 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: are you root? |
| 00:16.16 | elmo40 | swap is the last thing to be used... only when RAM is totally consumed |
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| 00:16.20 | HockeyInJune | Of course |
| 00:16.27 | bucky | apt-get install pppoeconf |
| 00:16.27 | azeem | !installit |
| 00:16.28 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: pppoeconf is on all the installation media IIRC |
| 00:16.45 | Ace2016 | Th|sD|cK: my ksysguard shows 400MB of ram used by my programs, and 1.5GB used as a disk cache so it isn't a big deal really, the disk cache just makes stuff load faster |
| 00:17.09 | HockeyInJune | :O Now it is giving me bash: sudo: command not found |
| 00:17.13 | unlink | how do you get wget to show you the server's response even with 4xx or 5xx statuscodes? |
| 00:17.18 | Th|sD|cK | i'm use 700/1000 MB |
| 00:17.23 | karsten | !tell HockeyInJune about installit |
| 00:17.28 | Ace2016 | the single process using the most memory is opera at 144MB |
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| 00:17.42 | karsten | HockeyInJune: Getting the idea? |
| 00:17.47 | Ace2016 | Th|sD|cK: what program are you using to lookup the info? |
| 00:17.59 | HockeyInJune | Not quite |
| 00:17.59 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: sudo is not enabled by default in debian .. |
| 00:18.05 | HockeyInJune | ah |
| 00:18.06 | karsten | HockeyInJune: Didn't note that azeem had just done that. |
| 00:18.17 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: use 'su' .. be root .. apt-get install pppoeconf |
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| 00:18.41 | karsten | HockeyInJune: sudo is a better habit to get into though. |
| 00:18.48 | HockeyInJune | How can I apt-get if I dont have pppd set up? |
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| 00:18.57 | HockeyInJune | I used su |
| 00:19.11 | dondelelcaro | Th|sD|cK: odds are those programs aren't using as much actual memory as you think. If you're looking at the top output, it reports memory that has been requested but isn't actually in use, as well as shared memory and memory maps. |
| 00:19.25 | Th|sD|cK | i'm use central system control |
| 00:19.28 | HockeyInJune | ah |
| 00:19.32 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: it's on the CD |
| 00:19.38 | Ace2016 | central system control? whats that? |
| 00:19.46 | HockeyInJune | I never you apt-get was so extensible.. |
| 00:19.47 | dondelelcaro | Th|sD|cK: if you really want to know, you have to give us the output of ps axfu; free; and /proc/<pid>/smaps for the process you're concerned about. |
| 00:19.49 | dalias | the memory use by a program is what you get by taking the RSS column and subtracting the SHARED column |
| 00:20.13 | HockeyInJune | Much Thanks guys |
| 00:20.32 | dalias | oh the names are different on modern linux |
| 00:20.36 | dalias | RES-SHR |
| 00:20.40 | timri | Th|sD|cK: Ehh? Whut? |
| 00:20.44 | Th|sD|cK | i try to do |
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| 00:20.51 | timri | Th|sD|cK: pls ignore |
| 00:20.58 | dalias | VIRT is virtually meaningless (pardon the bad pun :) |
| 00:21.03 | cast | is there anything that would enable me to keep running an X program after i've killed X, and get it back after i've restarted X? [aka screen for X!] |
| 00:21.15 | dalias | cast, sadly no |
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| 00:21.27 | dalias | such a program would be amazingly useful |
| 00:21.28 | karsten | dalias: Puns cannot be pardoned. They can only be commuted. |
| 00:21.32 | petemc | cast: i use nx to do, albeit remotely |
| 00:21.37 | dalias | karsten, :) |
| 00:22.31 | karsten | dalias: VIRT == total virtual memory usage. VIRT - RES = swap (which isn't reported). |
| 00:22.45 | OlaX | cast: I use vnc and forward the port via ssh to access it remotely. |
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| 00:22.51 | karsten | And SHR shows the memory that's shared with other processes. |
| 00:22.52 | dalias | "virtual memory usage" is misleading |
| 00:23.13 | karsten | dalias: Linux memory management is called the "virtual memory" subsystem. |
| 00:23.31 | karsten | dalias: virtual memory in this case is all forms of memory, virtual or not. |
| 00:23.38 | dalias | arrg shut up already |
| 00:23.49 | dalias | stop telling me cs 101 with mistakes in it |
| 00:24.00 | bucky | !thwap dalias |
| 00:24.31 | dalias | VIRT is the size of the process's address space |
| 00:24.52 | dalias | RES is the size of the process's pages currently resident in physical memory |
| 00:25.07 | dalias | SHR is the size of the process's non-dirty pages |
| 00:25.17 | Ace2016 | non dirty? |
| 00:25.20 | karsten | OK, I thought that was "shared" |
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| 00:25.56 | dalias | dirty means "differing from the backing from which they were originally copied" |
| 00:26.12 | karsten | dalias: man top disagrees w/ you. |
| 00:26.31 | Ace2016 | the backing from which they are coppied? can you dumb this down a bit more |
| 00:26.34 | karsten | dalias: VIRT: The total amount of virtual memory used by the task. It includes all code, data and shared libraries plus pages that have been swapped out |
| 00:26.41 | dalias | that's wrong |
| 00:26.58 | karsten | dalias: SHR: The amount of shared memory used by a task. It simply reflects memory that could be potentially shared with other processes. |
| 00:26.59 | dalias | "virtual memory used" is a meaningless phrase |
| 00:27.04 | karsten | dalias: File a bug. |
| 00:27.08 | simonrvn | so submit a patch |
| 00:27.19 | bucky | we're all wrong |
| 00:27.42 | timri | bucky: Including you ? |
| 00:27.50 | dalias | more like imprecise language |
| 00:27.52 | phogg | You're wrong, I'm wrong. The whole universe is wrong. So what are you going to do about it? |
| 00:27.54 | dalias | than "wrong" |
| 00:27.58 | Ace2016 | we kind of includes him too |
| 00:28.04 | dalias | anyway |
| 00:28.13 | simonrvn | n |
| 00:28.14 | dalias | RES-SHR is the only really useful number |
| 00:28.20 | dalias | (RES minus SHR) |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: wouldn't you rather shoot a bb gun at the kids outside? :) |
| 00:28.28 | phogg | simonrvn: paint flames on the side of the download window |
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| 00:29.00 | karsten | simonrvn: ... and add a "Vrooooommm!" WAV file loop. |
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| 00:29.08 | simonrvn | phogg: that would be my monitor |
| 00:29.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: aren't any around, besides, i don't have a bb gun |
| 00:29.39 | dondelelcaro | RES-SHR isn't necessarily useful either. |
| 00:29.45 | phogg | simonrvn: that makes painting easier, then. Get some quality oil paints. Once finished your download must speed up |
| 00:29.50 | simonrvn | karsten: just vroooom! ? |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | simonrvn: shucks |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: or loop the silly "Zoom zoom zoom" mazda commercial :) |
| 00:30.28 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh, that would drive me to suicide, no thanks |
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| 00:30.40 | timri | abrotman: Thanks for that mental image |
| 00:30.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:30.45 | simonrvn | or a shootingramage destroying cars |
| 00:30.54 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.19 | timri | anyway, the ultimate casemode is still filling up your CRT with water and a goldfish |
| 00:31.42 | timri | eh.. casemod |
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| 00:32.27 | karsten | simonrvn: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1523503,00.asp |
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| 00:32.43 | simonrvn | timri: while it's being used, though, that's not very safe |
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| 00:32.57 | darkbahamut | hi everyone |
| 00:32.59 | timri | simonrvn: WARNING: NSFW! rob enderle alert! |
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| 00:33.08 | karsten | timri: :) |
| 00:33.14 | timri | simonrvn: ZAP says the goldfish :) |
| 00:33.40 | karsten | timri: That's got to be the Most Reiculous Hardware Review Evar! |
| 00:34.19 | karsten | timri: "One impressive piece of execution is that when you fire the machine up it plays a WAV file of a Ferrari race car revving its engine. That alone is worth the relatively low $1,899 price of admission." |
| 00:34.42 | karsten | Yes! A $1899 WAV file! |
| 00:34.53 | simonrvn | money to burn, and no sense |
| 00:35.30 | cast | oh dog. |
| 00:35.31 | darkbahamut | hey does anyone know how to install flash player in Epiphany? |
| 00:35.54 | timri | :) |
| 00:35.55 | darkbahamut | web browser** |
| 00:35.57 | simonrvn | same diff ;p |
| 00:36.01 | karsten | cast: I liked it the first way. |
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| 00:36.32 | timri | karsten: Perhaps, but Janis Joplin makes no sense in that case. |
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| 00:36.45 | karsten | timri: ?? |
| 00:36.54 | simonrvn | s,Janis, St. Janis, |
| 00:37.10 | karsten | timri: That was a Mercedes Benz, anyway. |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | darkbahamut: /usr/lib/epiphany-browser/plugins/ |
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| 00:38.28 | darkbahamut | abrotman: umm, im a bit confused o.O |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 00:38.40 | timri | :) |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | oh .. sorry .. silly epiphany file structure |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | on my system it's /usr/lib/epiphany/2.14/plugins/ ... might vary on an etch system |
| 00:39.30 | darkbahamut | abrotman: im not confused about that part |
| 00:39.52 | abrotman | no .. epiphany won't make flash better :) |
| 00:39.53 | darkbahamut | abrotman: whats the directory for? |
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| 00:40.08 | abrotman | for plugins |
| 00:40.14 | abrotman | drop the libflashplayer.so in that directory |
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| 00:40.35 | darkbahamut | abrotman: oo.. i dont have the file yet lol |
| 00:40.53 | abrotman | okay then |
| 00:41.05 | Chascon | hey |
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| 00:47.20 | timri | karsten: Ah, " is top fibbing or telling honestly your imposed truth?" |
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| 00:51.39 | timri | ___ We now enter the "America need coffee", "Europe needs to go to bed" phase of international IRC ___ |
| 00:51.51 | timri | needs |
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| 00:52.14 | abrotman | coffee? |
| 00:52.26 | simonrvn | it's 19:52 where i am |
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| 00:52.44 | timri | Details, details :) |
| 00:52.49 | bakon | Hello, can anyone help me with mounting a second drive. I keep getting this error msg "mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /site2/site busy |
| 00:52.49 | bakon | " |
| 00:52.55 | timri | s/America/Australia |
| 00:52.58 | bakon | thanks in advance |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | bakon: well .. which is it? |
| 00:53.11 | timri | :) |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | look with 'mount' |
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| 00:53.36 | bakon | abrotman: it is not already mounted and no processes are using site2/site that I know of |
| 00:53.47 | bakon | i wil pastebin my fstab/mount and fdisk-l in 1 sec |
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| 00:54.04 | cast_ | pastebin the mount output, too |
| 00:54.05 | |DawnLight| | is there a first person shooter that is lighter than nexuiz and can be multi-played over ip? |
| 00:54.20 | simonrvn | on a related note, i see that /proc/mounts still doesn't display enough info to be a viable alternative for /etc/mtab |
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| 00:54.53 | Asmooh | how do i mount a mac disk in debian? |
| 00:54.56 | Asmooh | -t HFS ? |
| 00:55.00 | Asmooh | or HFS+ ? |
| 00:55.15 | bakon | cast_: abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d15cf6ca3 |
| 00:55.32 | bakon | Last night wot_ or wolt_ his name was tried to help we could not figure it out |
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| 00:55.41 | bakon | wols_* |
| 00:55.51 | timri | simonrvn: Mmm... just noticed that too. /proc/mounts doesnt give me the device root is mounted on... weird. |
| 00:56.28 | simonrvn | timri: there's a patch floating around for it, but still isn't mainline |
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| 00:56.57 | Asmooh | sdb: [mac] sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 ... and can't find a HFS filesystem on dev sdb1-4 |
| 00:56.58 | Asmooh | :/ |
| 00:57.00 | timri | simonrvn: thx. because "rootfs" isnt all that descriptive :) |
| 00:57.10 | bakon | cast_: abrotman: I used spaces in my fstab not sure if I was supposed to use tab |
| 00:57.13 | cast_ | does here, /dev/mapper/vg-root on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro), but maybe my use of lvm changes it |
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| 00:57.25 | simonrvn | Asmooh: hfs or hfsplus |
| 00:57.44 | bakon | cast_: was that command meant for me? |
| 00:57.47 | cast_ | that pastebin font is screwing my eyes up somehow :\ |
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| 00:58.03 | Asmooh | ah |
| 00:58.19 | cast_ | bakon: ahh no |
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| 00:58.43 | bakon | So yeah im stumped at what the problem could be Ive been googling and reading forums left and right |
| 00:58.52 | timri | cast_: oops, you're right, does here too (must learn to read before I write) |
| 00:59.06 | puchu | hi |
| 00:59.07 | simonrvn | though it's closer than it used to be. didn't used to display almost the same info |
| 00:59.10 | Asmooh | simonrvn, and fsck.hfsplus command not found? |
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| 00:59.18 | puchu | can i install packages from sid in etch? |
| 00:59.27 | cast_ | !tell puchu about simple sid backport |
| 00:59.32 | simonrvn | apt-caceh search hfsplus |
| 00:59.35 | simonrvn | cache |
| 00:59.57 | Asmooh | is it possible to install debian on a hfs disk? |
| 01:00.04 | Asmooh | or does it need to be ext |
| 01:00.17 | puchu | and how can i apt-get to install unstable versions? |
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| 01:01.01 | nkuttler | Asmooh: hm, iirc hfs doesn't support filename capitalization... should be a problem |
| 01:01.01 | cast_ | puchu: so what do you want to do, unstable versions of what? |
| 01:01.07 | Th|sD|cK | !tell Th|sD|cK about simple packages from sid backport |
| 01:01.23 | Asmooh | nkuttler, hmm ok |
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| 01:01.51 | cast_ | bakon: so, just for shits and giggles would it work if you went mkdir /tmpmntpoint; mount /dev/sdb1 /tmpmntpoint |
| 01:01.58 | Th|sD|cK | !tell Th|sD|cK about simple sid backport |
| 01:02.15 | cast_ | Th|sD|cK: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:02.23 | puchu | cast_ id like to have busybox 0.50 |
| 01:02.30 | puchu | cast_ id like to have dropbear0.50 |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | !tell Th|sD|cK about selftell |
| 01:02.34 | puchu | i ment |
| 01:02.53 | row | Any idea how long gpart should take to scan a 160gb ide drive? |
| 01:03.05 | row | it has been scanning for a looooong time |
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| 01:03.11 | Asmooh | hm |
| 01:03.24 | puchu | and is there a way to remove apps that where installed as dependency when the app that needs them is removed? |
| 01:03.29 | Asmooh | i installed hfstools but fsck.hfsplus doesnt work |
| 01:03.30 | cast_ | puchu: well, i'd try what dpkg told you |
| 01:03.31 | Asmooh | :( |
| 01:03.33 | k31th | abrotman: hows it going! |
| 01:03.48 | puchu | cast_ ? |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:04.04 | cast_ | puchu: the bot, called dpkg, messaged you something about sid backports, |
| 01:04.22 | timri | puchu: deborphan |
| 01:04.43 | k31th | I have just setup my laptop running etch... my crappy centrino card is not working... I am thinking maybe I should run lenny on this laptop? is that advisable ? |
| 01:04.47 | puchu | im a little bit confused |
| 01:04.53 | puchu | i normaly only use gentoo |
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| 01:04.58 | abrotman | centrino isn't a card |
| 01:05.09 | k31th | intel wireless |
| 01:05.12 | cast_ | one should use aptitude instead of apt-get imho and never have that problem imho, but some disagree |
| 01:05.12 | abrotman | lspci |
| 01:05.27 | puchu | cast_ i ment where can i get actual program version? |
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| 01:05.43 | cast_ | http://packages.debian.org/dropbear |
| 01:05.57 | cast_ | its 0.50, 0.48 is in etch |
| 01:05.59 | k31th | abrotman: 02:07.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04) |
| 01:06.09 | Asmooh | damn linux >( why cant it just mount my disk in read/write modes |
| 01:06.15 | puchu | cast_ what do i have to use to get 0.50, |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 01:06.18 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 01:06.22 | puchu | im now on etch |
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| 01:07.06 | cast_ | puchu: message the bot named 'dpkg' with the string 'simple sid backport', it will tell you what to do |
| 01:07.14 | puchu | what suit do i have to use? |
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| 01:07.25 | puchu | wwhich suit will have dropbear 050? |
| 01:07.36 | puchu | sid? |
| 01:07.42 | rsmith | in the default kernel for new debian x86 installs, does the kernel allow loading of extraneous modules? |
| 01:07.47 | abrotman | packages.debian.org is helpful |
| 01:07.58 | nvz | I don't know much about how google search history works but I've realized now after several weeks of seeing things appearing I know none of my computers even looked at that somehow other peoples google search history from lans I connect to is ending up on my account |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | or someone knows your password! |
| 01:08.33 | nvz | I don't think so.. that was my first thought |
| 01:08.57 | cast | nvz: clearing cookies after logining to to google services on other peoples computers? |
| 01:09.02 | nvz | but all my gadgets stay the same no emails or anything have been manipulated.. |
| 01:09.17 | nvz | cast: well the computers I use only I use on a regular basis |
| 01:09.49 | nvz | cast: the search results from this morning seem to be things my father would look at like politics, dirty jokes.. etc |
| 01:10.05 | nvz | we both use different laptops on the same connection sometimes |
| 01:10.07 | puchu | cast_ where i see which version uses 0.50? http://packages.debian.org/etch/dropbear only show 0.48 |
| 01:10.52 | nvz | this never happened before I started using wifi |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | packages.debian.org/dropbear |
| 01:10.52 | minus198 | Why isn't VLC in the repo? Is it becaise of that gay 10 day rule? |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | !tell minus198 about gay |
| 01:10.52 | azeem | !gay |
| 01:10.52 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 01:10.52 | cast | puchu: the link i showed you, http://packages.debian.org/dropbear, shows 0.50 |
| 01:10.52 | k31th | abrotman: would i just reboot to load that firmware im guessing? |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | k31th: maybe? .. my wifi doens't require firmware |
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| 01:11.12 | cast | what 10 day rule? |
| 01:11.17 | minus198 | abrotman, Sorry.. But could you answer my question :3 |
| 01:11.25 | k31th | abrotman: how did you configure your wifi? is there a gui or did you use /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:11.37 | puchu | cast thanks ... one last question how do i update to lenny? |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | minus198: are you done being offensive? |
| 01:11.59 | cast | puchu: and why would you want to do that :P |
| 01:12.05 | nkuttler | puchu: that's more like a first question |
| 01:12.13 | minus198 | abrotman, Yeah, sorry :( I didn't mean to.. |
| 01:12.21 | puchu | how can i do that please help me ... |
| 01:12.23 | k31th | puchu: change the enterys in /etc/apt/sources.lst to lenny then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade im guessing |
| 01:12.24 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 01:12.24 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 01:12.31 | nvz | idk I am about to go interrogate people to find out who these search results belong to |
| 01:12.31 | cast | it'll should be trivial to install dropbear 0.50 in etch |
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| 01:13.05 | k31th | is running lenny not a good idea then ? |
| 01:13.21 | minus198 | abrotman, How long do you think I'll have to wait? |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | minus198: it hasn't been in lenny for three months or so |
| 01:13.39 | minus198 | gah! |
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| 01:13.56 | minus198 | abrotman, Is it possible to use backports or something? |
| 01:14.02 | puchu | k31th thanks |
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| 01:14.34 | abrotman | minus198: sure .. you can backport it from sid |
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| 01:14.48 | cast | k31th: it's not a good idea or a bad idea, i just think if you have a running etch system, moving to lenny for a single package is going to give you more pain than backporting it |
| 01:15.03 | minus198 | abrotman, You don't happen to have a guide in your back-pocket do you? ;) |
| 01:15.15 | nvz | !simple sid backport |
| 01:15.16 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 01:15.34 | abrotman | !tell minus198 about simple sid backport |
| 01:15.40 | nvz | dpkg doesnt have pockets but keeps guides in his database |
| 01:15.56 | minus198 | :3 |
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| 01:17.47 | Asmooh | anyone knows how to use fsck.hfsplus ? |
| 01:17.53 | Asmooh | because it cant be found |
| 01:18.01 | nvz | !installit |
| 01:18.01 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 01:18.03 | cusco | hfsplust ools? |
| 01:18.16 | nvz | !find ^fsck.hfsplus$ |
| 01:18.32 | cusco | hfsplus |
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| 01:18.41 | k31th | cast: im not i was thinking of using lenny as this is a laptop doesnt need to be stable & i fancied a look at it :D |
| 01:18.58 | Asmooh | hfsplus also doesnt work |
| 01:19.01 | cast | hfsplus: usr/bin/hpfsck |
| 01:19.06 | nvz | you never know if that thing is working or not |
| 01:19.08 | cusco | Asmooh: install hfsplus |
| 01:19.11 | cast | hmm, closest i could find^ |
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| 01:19.13 | Asmooh | i have |
| 01:19.17 | nvz | it doesnt tell you if it doesn't find anything anymore |
| 01:19.21 | k31th | nvz: same :d |
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| 01:20.36 | Asmooh | HUH |
| 01:20.39 | cusco | Asmooh: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/lee/weblog/21 |
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| 01:20.44 | Asmooh | it says it isnt a hfs disk |
| 01:20.45 | Asmooh | :/ |
| 01:20.51 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:21.01 | nvz | isn't hfs that mac format? |
| 01:21.09 | Asmooh | yea |
| 01:21.13 | nvz | I heard there are compressed versions of that too |
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| 01:21.38 | phogg | well... hfsprogs: sbin/mkfs.hfsplus |
| 01:21.42 | nvz | Idk.. not a mac person |
| 01:22.26 | Asmooh | Disk: MACOS Journalated or something |
| 01:22.30 | Asmooh | is the disk |
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| 01:23.58 | Asmooh | but... |
| 01:24.04 | Asmooh | of i dont use the -f option.. |
| 01:24.09 | Asmooh | it mount as hfsplus |
| 01:24.16 | Asmooh | and not hfs :P |
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| 01:24.19 | Asmooh | but readonly |
| 01:24.28 | Asmooh | nvz, i need to "check" it |
| 01:24.36 | Asmooh | otherwise i cant write to it |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | hi .. welcome to the shitty world of hfs on linux |
| 01:24.45 | Asmooh | haha |
| 01:24.50 | phogg | Asmooh: and you have the fscker for hfsplus installed? |
| 01:24.57 | melodosgr | u guys now any cool mp3 player for deb? i was using one that was grey and same structure to winamp.. anyone remember hows that called? |
| 01:25.00 | phogg | and it does not work? |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | i don't think you can use hfsplus in R/W on linux |
| 01:25.18 | phogg | I am shocked, shocked. |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | melodosgr: audacious |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | or zinf |
| 01:25.22 | phogg | Well, not that shocked. |
| 01:25.22 | melodosgr | yea |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | or xmms |
| 01:25.25 | melodosgr | thanx |
| 01:25.32 | phogg | melodosgr: also try xmms2 |
| 01:25.35 | Asmooh | hfstools are installed yes |
| 01:25.40 | Asmooh | but there isnt a fscker |
| 01:25.45 | melodosgr | okeik |
| 01:25.52 | phogg | Asmooh: hfsprogs |
| 01:25.58 | phogg | hfsprogs: sbin/fsck.hfsplus |
| 01:26.21 | Asmooh | oudan:/usr/sbin# fs |
| 01:26.21 | Asmooh | fsck fsck.ext2 fsck.minix fsck.nfs fslsfonts fsview |
| 01:26.21 | Asmooh | fsck.cramfs fsck.ext3 fsck.msdos fsck.vfat fstobdf |
| 01:26.44 | phogg | Asmooh: With hfsprogs installed? |
| 01:26.47 | Asmooh | yes |
| 01:26.53 | phogg | which version? |
| 01:27.30 | Asmooh | hm |
| 01:27.35 | Asmooh | i have ufsutils in apt |
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| 01:27.47 | Asmooh | i installed hfsplus |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | phogg: where'd you get yours? |
| 01:28.20 | phogg | abrotman: sid |
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| 01:28.40 | abrotman | phogg: think maybe he's not on sid? |
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| 01:28.43 | melodosgr | something else.. im trying to play files through vlc on a network and i cant, i cant do it with mplayer neither.. but totem works , totem sucks though lol |
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| 01:28.53 | phogg | abrotman: that's why I asked about the package version |
| 01:28.59 | Asmooh | still no hfs |
| 01:29.05 | darkbahamut | hi everyone |
| 01:29.18 | Asmooh | Setting up hfsutils (3.2.6-11) ... |
| 01:29.57 | phogg | Asmooh: hfsprogs in unstable has a fscker... probably the one in stable does not. |
| 01:30.06 | phogg | if there is one |
| 01:30.08 | Asmooh | this is testing.. |
| 01:30.12 | phogg | which, hey look, there isn't |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | phogg: hfsprogs isn't in testing |
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| 01:30.29 | phogg | Asmooh: backport! |
| 01:30.30 | Asmooh | hfsprogs is not hfsutils? |
| 01:30.32 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:30.46 | melodosgr | something else.. im trying to play files through vlc on a network and i cant, i cant do it with mplayer neither.. but totem works , totem sucks though lol ok lol once again.. seems like i cant play with any other program those files on my network. do i have to restart my server? |
| 01:30.47 | karsten | What is the kernel option for SW RAID autodetection support? |
| 01:31.09 | phogg | Asmooh: Doesn't look like it. |
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| 01:32.28 | abrotman | autodetetion ? |
| 01:32.37 | Asmooh | installing hfsprogs |
| 01:32.39 | phogg | cast: interesting. Older name for the same thing? |
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| 01:33.01 | mkz | anyone aware of any application that can open a M$ Publisher document? |
| 01:33.10 | cast | phogg: it's the only match for apt-file search fsck|grep hfs |
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| 01:33.26 | phogg | cast: I'll take that as an "unknown" |
| 01:33.29 | cast | phogg: on etch, amd64 that is |
| 01:33.34 | abrotman | !info gco |
| 01:33.35 | dpkg | gco: (comics organizer), section gnome, is extra. Version: 0.5.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 01:33.49 | Asmooh | checking:) |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | i'm intrigued :) |
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| 01:34.10 | phogg | abrotman: seems like collection managers are all the rage these days |
| 01:34.14 | Asmooh | ARRGGGGG |
| 01:34.39 | Asmooh | HFS write access to a jounaled filesystem is not supported |
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| 01:34.51 | Asmooh | "use the force option at your own risk" |
| 01:34.57 | abrotman | kill linux? who is the idiot that used a half-assed proprietary filesystem ? |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | "_ |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | damn off by one |
| 01:35.27 | Asmooh | lol |
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| 01:35.53 | mnguyen | How to I create a new partition on an external HD? |
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| 01:36.08 | Asmooh | fdisk /dev/sdb* |
| 01:36.19 | Asmooh | or where your disk is |
| 01:36.23 | Asmooh | of cfdisk |
| 01:36.25 | Asmooh | or* |
| 01:36.30 | phogg | or your favoride fdisk-type program |
| 01:36.34 | kwame | Hi, i'm trying to configure my sound card and I think I have all the modules necesary, but cannot get any sound out of it |
| 01:36.45 | kwame | will not play any of the youtube or pandora |
| 01:36.46 | mnguyen | Asmooh, i cant seem to find fdisk... |
| 01:36.57 | phogg | kwame: is it muted? |
| 01:36.59 | kwame | I downloaded xmms but won't play any on-line radio station |
| 01:37.01 | kwame | http://pastebin.com/d7cc056fe |
| 01:37.09 | Asmooh | mnguyen, do u have cfdisk ? |
| 01:37.33 | kwame | phogg: i'm using alsamixer and don't see any M at the bottom of the indicators |
| 01:37.41 | phogg | kwame: do you ever get any sound at all? |
| 01:37.42 | mnguyen | Asmooh, nope. i have no clue what distro this is that I am using |
| 01:37.47 | kwame | phogg: noup |
| 01:37.55 | mnguyen | Asmooh, it's a machine that somebody asked me to work on |
| 01:37.57 | phogg | mnguyen: then go ask again in ##linux |
| 01:37.59 | Asmooh | ooh okay |
| 01:38.00 | kwame | phogg: I used alsaconf but that didn't do anything |
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| 01:38.27 | phogg | kwame: ... |
| 01:38.36 | phogg | kwame: so that's a no, is it? No sound, ever? |
| 01:38.51 | Asmooh | is there a way to turn jounaled off? |
| 01:39.05 | kwame | phogg: no, no sound ever |
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| 01:39.30 | Haris | Hello guys |
| 01:39.44 | Haris | I'm on sarge |
| 01:40.08 | phogg | kwame: Try using aplay to play a wav file. |
| 01:40.18 | Haris | I have /dev/usbdev1.1 and /dev/usbdev2.1 which one of them is a detected device? |
| 01:40.33 | Haris | dmesg confuses me. afaict, it only detects ports, not anything connected to it |
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| 01:45.25 | Haris | Review: http://pastebin.ca/790079 |
| 01:46.46 | up365 | kwame, I had to install oss-compat to get sound from realplayer(still no system sound)but all other sound works |
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| 01:47.40 | elmo40 | what is this 'Score' rating in aptitude? I was installing something, it showed me what to do to resolve issues, and it gave me a "Score is -163" *confused* |
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| 01:48.31 | Asmooh | is there a way to check if a disk is 100% perfect? or almost broken/badsectors? |
| 01:48.42 | gravity | elmo40: It uses that internally to figure out what the optimal solution is when it's a complicated change to the packaging system |
| 01:48.52 | gravity | elmo40: You can change the solution you want it to use, and it'll show you the score |
| 01:48.55 | gravity | elmo40: Or you can resolve it manually |
| 01:49.00 | elmo40 | so, for me, the number means nothing? |
| 01:49.03 | darkbahamut | hey can anyone help me setup my sound? lspci says i have nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 01:49.21 | gravity | elmo40: Pretty much. For me, the important thing is what it's changing wrt your packages. |
| 01:49.47 | elmo40 | gravity: it does install what i want it to install ;) So I guess I will just say Y |
| 01:50.09 | gravity | elmo40: Cool |
| 01:50.20 | elmo40 | thanks |
| 01:50.31 | up365 | darkbahamut, have you run alsaconf ? |
| 01:50.34 | gravity | No problem |
| 01:51.10 | darkbahamut | up365: yup i did that but when i try to play a wav file i get this weird sound that wont stop till i close the program |
| 01:51.25 | darkbahamut | up365: and when i play sound on the internet i get nothing |
| 01:53.22 | up365 | darkbahamut, I have no system sound but after installing oss-compat realplayer and internet sound worked(SB plat) |
| 01:54.10 | darkbahamut | up365: whats oss-compat? |
| 01:54.21 | daniel_John | what other directories should i back up other than these /root/ /home/ /etc/ /usr/local/ /var/spool/cron/) |
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| 01:54.26 | cast | the old sound arch, replaced by alsa now |
| 01:54.45 | n3kl | The "securing debian" manual seems to be quite outdated. Is there a newer version somewhere or something? |
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| 01:54.53 | darkbahamut | does anyone know whats wrong with my sound or how to fix it? |
| 01:55.00 | up365 | darkbahamut, found it in Synaptic after lots of trial and error |
| 01:55.03 | kjnfkjnkjfgkjfgk | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 01:55.27 | pramz | hello everyone, is there a prebuilt package for mysql-server 4.1 for etch? or a repo which has these packages ? |
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| 01:56.19 | up365 | darkbahamut, I pretty much installed 1 by 1 all the alsa and oss I could find in synaptic |
| 01:56.27 | cast | 5.0 is in etch, 4.0 in sarge, you want an older release though? |
| 01:56.45 | darkbahamut | up365: was it all hard to do? |
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| 01:56.47 | pramz | yes, one of the apps used needs 4.1.x |
| 01:57.20 | cast | sounds kinda dodgy, but i think itll be easier to compile it yourself rather than find a 4.1 .deb |
| 01:57.23 | pramz | I just want to know if there is a repo which has the 4.1.x packages or if i should build those myself |
| 01:57.37 | darkbahamut | up365: or do you meen all the drivers in alsaconf? |
| 01:57.39 | pramz | yea looks like i will be compiling it myself |
| 01:58.05 | up365 | darkbahamut, no ,open synaptic search for alsa oss and try each one until your sound works, no not the drivers in alsaconf |
| 01:58.13 | pramz | I just did not want to deal with all the dependency issues with stuff like php4-mysql perl-dbi-mysql but I guess those are linked against the 5 client |
| 01:59.04 | up365 | darkbahamut, my driver was listed in alsaconf went through that lots did no good |
| 01:59.44 | darkbahamut | up365: sry im a bit of a noob at linux i just installed it a few days ago |
| 02:00.50 | darkbahamut | up365: where do i find this synaptic search? |
| 02:01.04 | up365 | darkbahamut, np try opening Desktop-Admin-Synaptic search for alsa then oss |
| 02:01.07 | bucky | pramz: mysql-server-4.1 is in etch |
| 02:01.53 | pramz | its a meta package for mysql-server-5.0 |
| 02:02.10 | pramz | it installs 5.0.x instead .. a transitional package i mean |
| 02:02.11 | darkbahamut | up365: synaptic package manager? |
| 02:02.41 | abrotman | pramz: right .. no more 4.1 in etch .. make your own if you need it |
| 02:02.43 | up365 | darkbahamut, yes then search there for oss and alsa |
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| 02:03.13 | darkbahamut | up365: ok will try |
| 02:03.28 | up365 | darkbahamut, the installs will not hurt and you can always uninstall |
| 02:03.31 | pramz | abrotman, i am doing that right now, just wanted to know if anyone knew of any repos which had the 4.1.x version =) |
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| 02:03.59 | darkbahamut | up365: woa thats alot to install |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | pramz: no .. there's no 4.1 in etch at all |
| 02:04.40 | up365 | darkbahamut, try the oss-compat 1st that worked for my internet sound |
| 02:04.55 | darkbahamut | up365: ok |
| 02:06.17 | Haris | Guys, does this show any USB disks connected to the box ? -> http://pastebin.ca/790095 |
| 02:06.20 | darkbahamut | up365: do i need to reboot or anything? |
| 02:07.42 | up365 | darkbahamut, no just reload synaptic, close the internet program you're trying to run then reopen internet program |
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| 02:08.37 | n3kl | Haris: try dmesg | grep sd and tell me. |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | Haris: lsusb |
| 02:09.07 | darkbahamut | up365: it dosent work |
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| 02:09.38 | Haris | n3kl: Well, I can only find sda: sda1 sda2 there |
| 02:09.43 | Haris | no sdb |
| 02:09.51 | drmitch | anyone know of a reason why I can listen to shoutcast servers in the mplayer plugin for mozilla, but not in mplayer on console? it will play for a half second, then quit |
| 02:10.02 | Haris | # lsusb |
| 02:10.02 | Haris | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 02:10.02 | Haris | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 02:10.14 | Haris | lspci? |
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| 02:10.19 | eljefe | which .deb do i need to watch h.264-encoded videos (encoded from k9copy?) |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | is it a pci device? |
| 02:10.22 | up365 | darkbahamut, like I said it's going to be trial and error try some of the other oss and alsa installs, keep track of what you installed |
| 02:10.42 | darkbahamut | up365: ok |
| 02:11.13 | cast | eljefe: mplayer will, i use the one from debian-multimedia so i do not know about the debian.org one |
| 02:11.33 | eljefe | i'm using SMplayer on my Asus EeePC and it only plays the audio |
| 02:11.35 | Haris | n3kl: http://pastebin.ca/790101 |
| 02:11.38 | vezult | I'm attempting to set up quotas on my debian webserver. Whenever, I try to do something with the quota utilities it tells me that the quota file is not found or is in the wrong format. |
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| 02:12.05 | Haris | vezult: re-initialize quotas :p |
| 02:12.17 | vezult | Haris: yes, but how? ;o) |
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| 02:19.12 | vezult | when I do: quotaon -vF vfsv0 -a; it tells me that it cant find the quota file to turn quotas on or off. |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | doesn't man quotaon mention a file ? |
| 02:19.55 | vezult | supposedly {a,}quota.user is supposed to exist in the root of the filesystem on which quotas are enabled... |
| 02:20.09 | vezult | but if I touch that file, I still get the message |
| 02:20.21 | abrotman | maybe something should be in it ? |
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| 02:21.04 | vezult | abrotman: perhaps...I'm just not sure what. |
| 02:21.07 | nhuisman | does anyone know a way to block root logins via sshdconfig but also allow root login with ssh keys from a specific machine? |
| 02:21.23 | nhuisman | otherwise I don't know a way to easily mass administer the boxes |
| 02:21.29 | nhuisman | but I don't want root open to anyone else |
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| 02:22.17 | darkbahamut | up365: these files arent all for sound are they? |
| 02:22.27 | vezult | nhuisman: what about with tcpwrappers? |
| 02:23.17 | vezult | nhuisman: of course that wouldn't just affect specific users.. |
| 02:23.20 | nhuisman | I guess that would work, but i'd like to let other users in via ssh on non root acounts |
| 02:23.27 | nhuisman | yeah |
| 02:23.56 | up365 | darkbahamut, they all have something to do with sound yes, don't know the particulars |
| 02:24.17 | vezult | nhuisman: AllowedGroups would be about the same deal, I guess. |
| 02:24.31 | darkbahamut | what about all the alsaplayers? |
| 02:24.49 | nhuisman | would that let me deny root from all except one ip? |
| 02:24.53 | darkbahamut | up365: what about all the alsa players* |
| 02:25.27 | nhuisman | hmm it sort of looks that way |
| 02:26.01 | up365 | darkbahamut, I believe I tried them all it was only blind luck that oss-compat worked for internet only still no sys sound |
| 02:26.05 | Haris | If a usb device was connected, would sarge detect it or would I need MAKEDEV to access it? |
| 02:26.24 | darkbahamut | up365: theres gotta be some other way |
| 02:27.47 | up365 | darkbahamut, yeah when you find let everyone know ;) seriously I looked forums, google and edited conf files all to no avail |
| 02:28.04 | elmo40 | if this is a stand alone computer, do i need S20nfs-kernel-server to start at boot? |
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| 02:29.27 | darkbahamut | up365: ill look into it |
| 02:29.35 | darkbahamut | do you have the same sound as me? |
| 02:29.44 | darkbahamut | up365: do you have the same sound as me* |
| 02:30.06 | up365 | darkbahamut, that alsaconf seems as if it finds card, loads and should be ready for sound but not I have SB plat not onboard |
| 02:30.09 | abrotman | elmo40: not likely |
| 02:30.23 | elmo40 | abrotman: it is for sharing, right? |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | !nfs |
| 02:30.36 | dpkg | it has been said that nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 02:31.28 | up365 | darkbahamut, I got sound from TVtime with no problem go figure |
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| 02:35.58 | elmo40 | !tvtime |
| 02:35.59 | dpkg | somebody said tvtime was http://sourceforge.net/projects/tvtime, or a drug-free way to promote regularity |
| 02:36.12 | elmo40 | !xawtv |
| 02:36.12 | dpkg | i heard xawtv is used to watch tv in X. You need bttv or video4linux. or at http://www.in-berlin.de/User/kraxel/xawtv.html, or xawtv sucks and you should use tvtime |
| 02:36.15 | SJrX | Can I ask an Ubuntu Question :P j/k. Hmmmm has anyone heard of a bug when updating doing something that destroys or corrupts bind and makes it not start? |
| 02:36.26 | SJrX | this is a debian question |
| 02:36.42 | SJrX | my box seems to die and not start up, and while I'm waiting for my hosting provider to get back to me as to why |
| 02:36.46 | SJrX | I thought I would check |
| 02:37.11 | SJrX | I was just doing something that updated libssl, it attempted to shutdown bind9 but then hung. |
| 02:37.21 | SJrX | I killed teh process, tried again, it failed. |
| 02:37.29 | SJrX | I tried stopping bind9 gracefully, my request hung. |
| 02:37.32 | SJrX | I killed -9 it. |
| 02:38.14 | SJrX | libssl finished fine, I tried to start bind9, it hung, opened a new console, tried to look at the syslog and the system died. |
| 02:38.20 | SJrX | When it restarts it hangs on starting bind9. |
| 02:38.35 | Guerin | SJrX: lesson: don't us ubuntu. |
| 02:38.36 | abrotman | SJrX: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:38.41 | Guerin | use, even |
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| 02:38.49 | SJrX | lol this is debian |
| 02:38.53 | SJrX | I was just joking cause I saw the topic |
| 02:38.58 | nhuisman | if one HAD to install an ftpd on debian would you install proftpd or wu-ftpd |
| 02:38.59 | SJrX | debian testing I believe |
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| 02:39.02 | abrotman | SJrX: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:39.13 | Guerin | nhuisman: no. One would use vsftpd. |
| 02:39.15 | abrotman | nhuisman: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 02:39.17 | SJrX | abrotman the box is down |
| 02:39.22 | SJrX | what are you thinking? |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | SJrX: how do you plan to fix it? |
| 02:39.32 | Ronin | nhuisman: or look into scp |
| 02:39.37 | SJrX | I dunno I'm waiting for my colo provider to get be access. |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | right |
| 02:39.45 | SJrX | abrotman I think I saw that get removed / upgraded. |
| 02:39.50 | Guerin | SJrX: lesson: don't run testing on a remote machine. |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:39.57 | nhuisman | Ronin: yeah I'd prefer scp but unfortunately we need an ftp server |
| 02:40.00 | SJrX | that's hardly a lesson |
| 02:40.07 | Ronin | nhuisman: make em run sftp |
| 02:40.08 | Guerin | SJrX: of course it fucking is |
| 02:40.09 | nhuisman | idiot remote users who don't know how how to install an scp client etc |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | removing libc6 will be :) |
| 02:40.26 | Ronin | nhuisman: windows clients? |
| 02:40.27 | SJrX | abrotman well I dunno, I trust apt, and it's not like I told it to remove the package |
| 02:40.34 | SJrX | I was installing mediawiki-extensions |
| 02:40.37 | Guerin | nhuisman: putty / winscp |
| 02:40.39 | SJrX | and a few other mediawiki things. |
| 02:40.54 | nhuisman | Guerin: yeah but i've been ordered to provide an ftp server |
| 02:40.58 | up365 | elmo40, I have a nvidia TV2000 XP card and only had to edit modprobe.conf (options bttvcard=34 tuner=38) save restart |
| 02:40.59 | SJrX | Guerin debian testing has served me well, for YEARS |
| 02:41.00 | Guerin | SJrX: this is what happens in testing. If you can't afford for shit to break, run stable. |
| 02:41.02 | abrotman | so installing mediawiki broke bind and removed libc6 eh ? |
| 02:41.11 | nhuisman | this is in a vm so i dont' care as much if it gets hacked |
| 02:41.12 | Ronin | Guerin: i was thinking winscp, nhuisman they'll never see the difference especially if you do it right |
| 02:41.20 | Guerin | SJrX: and every time someone says that, they're busy collecting the pieces |
| 02:41.23 | SJrX | Hey, I never said that I was going to throw myself off a building, it's a personal machine |
| 02:41.25 | nhuisman | yeah I just can't count on remote users being able to install winscp |
| 02:41.28 | elmo40 | up365: my card was already setup (bt878) |
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| 02:41.39 | nhuisman | remote collaborators |
| 02:41.43 | Guerin | nhuisman: there is no install - it's a single binary which you can provide. |
| 02:41.44 | SJrX | it's a personal webserver, that hosted next to nothing on it. |
| 02:41.48 | SJrX | I'm not too worried. |
| 02:41.54 | up365 | elmo40, so you got TVtime then ? |
| 02:42.07 | Ronin | nhuisman: they have a ftp client though? if they can get that... |
| 02:42.07 | Guerin | SJrX: just nuke it and reinstall stable, then |
| 02:42.08 | SJrX | Since when does debian testing mean no support? |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | you don't have a box to fix do you ? |
| 02:42.28 | darkbahamut | up365: brb |
| 02:42.37 | Guerin | SJrX: it doesn't mean `no support', it means `if your setup is complicated we're much less likely to care |
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| 02:42.42 | elmo40 | up365: yes. channels dont come in, though... could be the damn filter the cable compnay adds. :/ |
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| 02:42.49 | nhuisman | well it looks like vsftpd is pretty secure |
| 02:42.56 | elmo40 | nhuisman: umm, ya. |
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| 02:43.06 | SJrX | hmmm, I was just wondering if thtere was a known issue, I should have access to the partition within an hour or two |
| 02:43.06 | Guerin | nhuisman: good enough for openbsd.org, it's good enough for you |
| 02:43.12 | nhuisman | yeah that sold me |
| 02:43.21 | Guerin | SJrX: if there is, it'll be documented on bugs.debian.org |
| 02:43.24 | abrotman | SJrX: when you have a running box to answer our questions .. we might be able to help more ... |
| 02:43.26 | up365 | elmo40, some of my channels are really clear, others suck |
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| 02:43.43 | aarcane | Hi, I'm getting ready to install Debian on my laptop, and I'd like some help compiling a few bits of info I haven't yet found on google |
| 02:43.57 | Guerin | aarcane: be specific |
| 02:44.03 | elmo40 | up365: i found xawtv to be easier to fine-tune. |
| 02:44.13 | Guerin | aarcane: (i don't know which sense you're using `compiling' for instance) |
| 02:44.33 | elmo40 | |DawnLight|: you playing games yet? |
| 02:45.32 | up365 | elmo40, ok I'll take a look had xawtv before awhile ago |
| 02:46.03 | |DawnLight| | elmo40: well, no. thought my graphics card will handle nexuiz but it doesn't. i'm not sure it does 3d accelaration at all |
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| 02:46.30 | |DawnLight| | Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 21) |
| 02:46.41 | aarcane | I'm planning on using my laptop for some Pro audio editing, and I want to run Enlightenment E17. I'm wondering what the best way to install E17 is, and what packages I should use for Pro Audio Editing, other than the obvious alsa and Audacity. |
| 02:46.47 | |DawnLight| | in linux i mean |
| 02:47.31 | |DawnLight| | aarcane: why the capitals on pro audio editing? |
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| 02:48.20 | aarcane | |DawnLight|, force of habit. I know some distros I've researched for it have special low latency kernels or packages though for "pro audio editing", which is why I specify the pro part |
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| 02:49.13 | Guerin | aarcane: ok. Media editing stuff is a bit crap on free software, and much depends on your hardware. Also, E17 is nowhere near ready for primetime, but soulmachine.org might still have packages for debian. You're much better off asking in a music-centric channel since most of that stuff is quite specialised. |
| 02:49.17 | dto | aarcane: you should have jackd and a low-latency kernel |
| 02:49.36 | Guerin | aarcane: you might indeed need to build a real-time or low-lat kernel. |
| 02:49.41 | dto | aarcane: sometimes people on #dataflow will help |
| 02:49.45 | Guerin | jack and ladspa are your friends |
| 02:50.32 | aarcane | Guerin, I know E17 isn't ready for primetime, but I would like to use it anyway |
| 02:50.45 | Guerin | your funeral |
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| 02:51.04 | Guerin | the bigger concern for me would be getting used to a new way of doing everything, and new apps |
| 02:51.14 | Guerin | especially if you have paying contracts to fulfil |
| 02:52.16 | aarcane | not planning it for production use yet. |
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| 02:52.50 | Guerin | that's refreshingly sane |
| 02:53.19 | elmo40 | aarcane: you want to edit audio? do you have a 64-bit system? try 64studio.com |
| 02:53.25 | Guerin | what I mean by `a bit crap' is that you can still probably do most everything, but it's a lot more work than the apps you're probably used to |
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| 02:53.47 | Guerin | i don't do audio, but I have done a bit of video stuff, and in unix it's painful |
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| 02:55.55 | nhuisman | how would I let a user scp but no log in? |
| 02:56.03 | nhuisman | put nologin in the shell? |
| 02:56.06 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman: use rssh |
| 02:56.35 | elmo40 | i installed Debian Etch. I dont like how it handles Alt+#. I want to alt+2 to get to #elive in irssi, but it gives me ² instead :/ |
| 02:56.41 | nhuisman | well i'd sort of like to let me ssh in |
| 02:57.00 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: you've got 8 bit input on in your shell instead of meta sends escape. |
| 02:57.10 | Ronin | speaking of ftp, i have to figure out how to get vsftp to listen for sftp and on port 990, |
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| 02:57.21 | Ronin | why cant anyone ever do things the simple way |
| 02:57.31 | nhuisman | vsftp can listen for sftp? |
| 02:57.37 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: set in your .Xresources XTerm*eightBitInput: false and XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true |
| 02:57.49 | nhuisman | err duh nm |
| 02:57.50 | elmo40 | oh... dondelelcaro this is the default. Where do I change that? I do not see it in .bashrc or profile |
| 02:57.59 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: it's in your .Xresources, of course. |
| 02:58.52 | kgoetz | hi all. how can i save my debian-sys-maint user from mysql before overwriting the database? |
| 02:59.08 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: hey; how goes? |
| 02:59.17 | elmo40 | of course... why did i not think of that |
| 02:59.25 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: good; just busy. |
| 02:59.34 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: ::nod:: |
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| 03:01.08 | vezult | nhuisman: it does ftp-ssl, not sftp |
| 03:01.28 | nhuisman | ftps |
| 03:01.43 | elmo40 | dondelelcaro: and the same thing with Alt+Backspace 'should' be set to 'delete until blank'. Same location? |
| 03:01.57 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: that'll happen automatically. |
| 03:02.25 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: if you have eightBitInput: true, alt doesn't send escape. |
| 03:03.12 | elmo40 | i do not find a .Xresources file, only the /etc/X11/Xresources/ directory. |
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| 03:04.00 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: it's ~/.Xresources |
| 03:04.21 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.Xresources for an example. |
| 03:04.30 | elmo40 | aarcane: Or, you can try jacklab.org A very nice audio distro. |
| 03:04.42 | elmo40 | thank you. |
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| 03:11.12 | nhuisman | well that's pretty fricking annoying. if I change the shell of a user to something invalid debian doesn't dump and say invalid shell it just says bad password |
| 03:11.16 | nhuisman | even in the damn auth.og |
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| 03:12.35 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman: not leaking information is the proper thing to do |
| 03:12.43 | nhuisman | even in my own logs? |
| 03:12.50 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman: unless you've turned on pam debugging, yes. |
| 03:12.56 | nhuisman | i see |
| 03:13.12 | dondelelcaro | (it also depends on *which* logs you're talking about; auth.log usually has more information) |
| 03:13.21 | rares000 | gftp takes 30 sec to retrieve file listings everytime i go into a dir is there an issue that may be my WGR614v6 netgear router is screwing up? |
| 03:13.22 | nhuisman | yeah i was looking at auth.log |
| 03:13.26 | nhuisman | just said password failure |
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| 03:14.07 | nhuisman | ever used scp only? |
| 03:14.11 | nhuisman | err "scponly" |
| 03:14.22 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman: again, you're looking for rssh. |
| 03:14.43 | nhuisman | ok so if I use rssh, the question is. How do I get into the box? |
| 03:14.53 | dondelelcaro | eh? |
| 03:15.09 | nhuisman | let me read the man first I guess |
| 03:15.15 | dondelelcaro | you use rssh as the shell for the users who you want to be scp only. apt-cache show rssh; and attain enlightenment |
| 03:15.31 | elmo40 | dondelelcaro: can i just make the file and add that one line to it? XTerm*eightBitInput: false |
| 03:15.34 | nhuisman | ah ok it's a shell not a daemon |
| 03:15.42 | elmo40 | or do i need all the other stuff for Xterm? |
| 03:15.44 | nhuisman | just reading their faq now too |
| 03:15.55 | dondelelcaro | elmo40: and the metaSendsEscape, line, yes. |
| 03:16.10 | elmo40 | :) |
| 03:16.11 | dalias | are you trying to get utf-8 working right? |
| 03:16.13 | elmo40 | simple enough |
| 03:16.20 | dalias | btw... |
| 03:16.26 | dalias | debian should fix these bugs by default |
| 03:16.31 | elmo40 | dalias: i want my alt+# to move me in irssi, not give me a symbol |
| 03:16.33 | magyar | hi all, i have a firewire port and ethernet card (realtek), when I install etch the firewire becomes eth0 and the realtek eth1, but when i look in dmesg, i see the realtek module loading as eth0. In short I caan't get the networking going. Please, any advice is appreciated. Thank you. |
| 03:16.39 | dalias | either at compiletime or in the /etc/X11/appdefaults files |
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| 03:16.49 | dalias | ah.. |
| 03:16.51 | dalias | i see |
| 03:17.06 | elmo40 | magyar: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:17.08 | elmo40 | check there |
| 03:17.11 | dalias | file a bug report against the xterm package |
| 03:17.19 | elmo40 | dalias: this is a bug? |
| 03:17.22 | dalias | it's really a bug that this broken behavior is default |
| 03:17.23 | dalias | yes |
| 03:17.44 | dalias | it inhibits xterm from working right at all in non-ascii-only locales |
| 03:17.45 | elmo40 | i see... |
| 03:17.47 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; there's a menu in xterm that you can easily switch back and forth with if you want |
| 03:17.54 | Guerin | i suspect the maintainer will disagree |
| 03:17.56 | dondelelcaro | dalias: and no, that's not what it does. |
| 03:18.05 | dalias | dondelelcaro, it is |
| 03:18.06 | magyar | elmo40: did and both are set to dhcp, the issue is i get no light on the switch, as the module for the card is not working or loading. P.S the same system works when booted in XP |
| 03:18.19 | dondelelcaro | dalias: it has nothing to do with making xterm not work properly in non-ascii only locales. |
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| 03:18.55 | dalias | meta+a generating a lone byte of 0x40+'a' (or whatever) is broken |
| 03:19.18 | dalias | especially if the locale is multibyte |
| 03:19.28 | dalias | it puts invalid sequences in the input stream |
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| 03:19.58 | dalias | and there's no legitimate reason for 'eightBitInput' (which is misnamed) to be on |
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| 03:20.32 | xacier | does debian have 128bit 2D/3D VIA S3 Graphics UniChrome Pro Processor support? |
| 03:20.46 | elmo40 | debian doesnt process anything... |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | xacier: it should |
| 03:20.58 | xacier | i guess not huh, its xorg |
| 03:21.07 | dondelelcaro | xacier: you can get those working, but you have to use the unichrome project drivers. |
| 03:21.08 | dalias | dondelelcaro, do you have a reason to claim otherwise? |
| 03:21.19 | Guerin | xacier: that's supported by the kernel and x server, not the os as a whole. If linux and xorg support it, debian very likely does. |
| 03:21.34 | dondelelcaro | dalias: in either position non-ascii locales work perfectly. The only question is how meta is handled by the terminal |
| 03:21.59 | dondelelcaro | dalias: doing 8 bit input or having meta send escape are both perfectly reasonable things to do |
| 03:22.05 | dalias | no they're not |
| 03:22.10 | dalias | they clash with non-ascii charset |
| 03:22.14 | dalias | especially multibyte |
| 03:22.17 | dondelelcaro | dalias: how in the world do they clash? |
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| 03:22.38 | dondelelcaro | dalias: you use an entirely different input system to input multibyte characters |
| 03:22.43 | elmoRXVT | dalias: in rxvt it does the proper thing... |
| 03:22.51 | elmoRXVT | so it is an Xterm issue |
| 03:23.02 | dalias | meta+key becomes either indistinguishable from a high character (in 8bit locales) or lone illegal bytes (in utf8 locale) |
| 03:23.06 | dondelelcaro | elmoRXVT: yes, it's specifically the setting I told you about. |
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| 03:23.22 | dondelelcaro | dalias: so? |
| 03:23.44 | dondelelcaro | elmoRXVT: you're probably better off using rxvt-unicode anyway |
| 03:23.48 | dalias | both of these behaviors are utterly broken and like i said they clash with the character encoding |
| 03:24.05 | dondelelcaro | dalias: they have nothing to do with the character encoding; you can insert arbitrary byte streams into most terminals |
| 03:24.05 | dalias | or rather, restated in a better way, it becomes impossible to process meta+keys |
| 03:24.30 | dalias | dondelelcaro, and no correct application running in the terminal will interpret those bogus bytes |
| 03:24.34 | dondelelcaro | dalias: so? |
| 03:24.40 | dalias | so it's a broken setup |
| 03:24.46 | dalias | extremely broken for the default |
| 03:25.35 | dalias | setting bit 8 for meta is an idiotic practice that was supposed to be abolished 15-20 years ago |
| 03:25.42 | dondelelcaro | dalias: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=179286 |
| 03:25.47 | dalias | yet xterm still insists on having it on by default |
| 03:25.54 | dalias | and the only result is breakage |
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| 03:27.05 | dalias | amen to that bug report |
| 03:27.10 | dalias | now why isn't anyone acting on it? |
| 03:27.17 | elmo40 | :/ |
| 03:27.17 | dondelelcaro | it's not broken. It's a suboptimal default, because most people don't use xterm like that. Just because you don't use it that way, doesn't mean that others would. |
| 03:27.22 | dalias | it's broken |
| 03:27.32 | dalias | for anyone who uses non-ascii |
| 03:27.37 | dalias | and since utf-8 is now the default |
| 03:27.43 | dalias | it's broken across the board |
| 03:27.43 | dondelelcaro | !tell dalias -about enter |
| 03:28.20 | dalias | why do you want this nasty setting on by default? |
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| 03:28.29 | dalias | is there any practical reason behind your love for it? |
| 03:28.42 | dondelelcaro | uh... if you bothered to look at my .Xresources and what I've said, you'll see that I don't think it's a good default. |
| 03:28.53 | dalias | then why are you arguing with me? |
| 03:29.13 | dondelelcaro | because you're claiming that it's a broken setting, and that the *option* should be removed. |
| 03:29.16 | dalias | shouldn't the appropriate behavior be for debian to fix the default |
| 03:29.25 | dalias | my claim is that the default should be fixed |
| 03:29.36 | dondelelcaro | changed, not fixed. |
| 03:29.39 | dalias | actually i also think the option is fundamentally broken and should be removed, but i don't care to argue over that |
| 03:29.51 | dalias | it IS a bug, not just a non-optimal default |
| 03:29.57 | dondelelcaro | sure, so it should be changed. |
| 03:29.59 | nhuisman | dondelelcaro: Do you happen to know if it's possible to have rssh chroot to each users home dir instead of a central chroot |
| 03:29.59 | dalias | it prevents meta+keys from working |
| 03:30.14 | dondelelcaro | nhuisman: no, and chrooting users is generally pointless. |
| 03:30.36 | dalias | the biggest bad thing a user can do is send spam |
| 03:30.38 | dondelelcaro | meta keys work fine, the just don't do what you'd expect. |
| 03:30.39 | dalias | chroot will not stop this |
| 03:30.46 | dalias | dondelelcaro, they don't do anything usable |
| 03:31.00 | dondelelcaro | dalias: in some locales they do |
| 03:31.08 | dondelelcaro | (but not any that I'm using) |
| 03:31.10 | dalias | no, not even in those locales |
| 03:31.25 | dalias | it's not valid for meta+some letter to enter a ¼ or something |
| 03:31.31 | abrotman | you've tried all the locales? |
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| 03:31.46 | Guerin | the only person worth having this argument with is the maintainer |
| 03:31.50 | dalias | abrotman, no, i merely know the rationale behind why it's wrong regardless of locale |
| 03:32.00 | dondelelcaro | dalias: so file a patch, and un wontfix the bug. |
| 03:32.05 | Guerin | file your bug with the appropriate reasoning and await a response |
| 03:32.27 | dalias | guerin, honestly i'd like to understand why there is such strong objection to considering this a bug and fixing it |
| 03:32.28 | abrotman | dalias: so fix it .. quit bitching in here .. not getting you anywhere |
| 03:32.39 | dondelelcaro | and try to be slightly more ingratiating; someone might actually fix it. |
| 03:32.42 | Guerin | dalias: i'm sure the maint will be happy to explain their reasoning. |
| 03:33.21 | dalias | it's probably "xterm has always done it this way and we don't care that all it does is cause problems" |
| 03:33.35 | Guerin | dalias: well ... there are other terminals which aren't shit |
| 03:33.41 | dalias | another broken thing in xterm is utf8Title being off by default |
| 03:33.44 | abrotman | and he's still not fixing it |
| 03:34.12 | zeeble | dalias: file your bug report. post your fix. post your reasoning. irc isnt the right place to argue about the merits of a maintainer's logic. |
| 03:34.17 | Guerin | it seems to me that your definition of `broken' approximates `how I would like it to be' |
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| 03:34.21 | Guerin | oh, sorry |
| 03:34.24 | Guerin | it seems to me that your definition of `broken' approximates `not how I would like it to be' |
| 03:34.32 | dalias | no |
| 03:34.42 | Guerin | it most certainly does seem that way to me |
| 03:34.43 | dalias | it's an issue of something fundamentally wrong |
| 03:34.58 | dalias | if the locale's encoding is utf-8 then all text sent to the terminal is to be interpreted as utf-8 |
| 03:35.08 | Guerin | i think you're missing the distinction between `sub-optimal' and `wrong' |
| 03:35.16 | dalias | somehow considering titlebar text special and treating it as latin-1 arbitrarily is utter nonsense |
| 03:35.19 | abrotman | and "quit bitching and fix it" :) |
| 03:35.23 | dondelelcaro | the question isn't what the terminal is; it's what the window manager is running as |
| 03:35.24 | dalias | guerin, not sub-optimal |
| 03:35.31 | Guerin | (which is common in people with an axe to grind) |
| 03:35.36 | dalias | it makes it so non-english users will see the WRONG thing in the title |
| 03:35.51 | Guerin | yes |
| 03:35.54 | Guerin | sub-optimal |
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| 03:36.00 | dalias | no, buggy |
| 03:36.03 | Guerin | it would be NICE if it were different |
| 03:36.15 | dalias | broken i18n/m17n is a bug |
| 03:36.18 | Guerin | not to say the thing doesn't work without it |
| 03:36.19 | dalias | not 'sub-optimal' |
| 03:36.30 | dalias | if your language is not english, the thing does not work without it |
| 03:36.45 | Guerin | not strictly true |
| 03:36.48 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, the right thing to do would be for it to obey the locale |
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| 03:37.01 | grendal_prime | this is making me fkn crazy |
| 03:37.26 | dalias | dondelelcaro, indeed |
| 03:38.02 | dondelelcaro | but that'd require someone to actually write a patch for xterm |
| 03:38.04 | grendal_prime | i have a postgresdb server...every couple of days the permissions on the log file get changed to root:adm and then the service fails on system boot because the postgres user(aparently) cant write to the log file??? |
| 03:38.08 | dalias | thomas dickey marked the bug wontfix with no explanation... |
| 03:38.23 | dondelelcaro | dalias: so unmark it, and provide a patch. You have my blessing. |
| 03:38.32 | dalias | dondelelcaro, since debian's default is utf-8 now, just defaulting to utf-8 would work fine |
| 03:38.40 | xacier | eee asus is on ebay for 400 bucks, is it worth it? |
| 03:38.41 | dalias | at least better than the current situation |
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| 03:38.47 | abrotman | grendal_prime: check the logrotate script |
| 03:39.03 | grendal_prime | i set them back to the postgress user and that sticks for a couple of days..then the log (im assuming when it gets rotated) reverts back to root:adm perms |
| 03:39.09 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrr |
| 03:39.09 | dalias | dondelelcaro, a patch for what? it's a one-liner to appdefaults |
| 03:39.16 | dalias | hardly needs a patch |
| 03:39.17 | dondelelcaro | dalias: and the manpage |
| 03:39.18 | abrotman | so fix it .. what's hard about that? |
| 03:39.25 | dondelelcaro | dalias: and UXTerm |
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| 03:40.11 | xacier | can i install debian on eee? |
| 03:40.17 | abrotman | on who? |
| 03:40.25 | xacier | eee pc |
| 03:40.37 | xacier | haven't heard of it? |
| 03:40.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: gonads and strife! |
| 03:40.43 | dalias | it would be nice to know why thomas dickey marks it "wontfix"... |
| 03:40.51 | xacier | asus eee pc! |
| 03:40.55 | abrotman | xacier: sure .. ben blogged about it .. but i don't recall if he installed debian or not |
| 03:41.09 | grendal_prime | this looks like mars text to me.. |
| 03:41.13 | grendal_prime | what am i looking for? |
| 03:41.20 | eljefe | yeah you can on EeePC but the wifi and eth0 need drivers |
| 03:41.23 | eljefe | thats all i know |
| 03:41.27 | xacier | it is using Xandros |
| 03:41.33 | xacier | why not debian eh? |
| 03:41.41 | grendal_prime | the apache entry has this...create 640 root adm |
| 03:41.42 | abrotman | grendal_prime: what's the create mode for the postgresql logs ? |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | xacier: how would we know |
| 03:41.59 | grendal_prime | does not have one |
| 03:42.10 | grendal_prime | not for the postgres-common entry |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | grendal_prime: man logrotate .. you can cahnge the ownership/access perms when it creates logs |
| 03:42.41 | grendal_prime | do i need to add that? and if so...how do i make sure its...postgres:postgres |
| 03:42.57 | grendal_prime | ill look at one of the servers...dup what it has |
| 03:43.03 | grendal_prime | thand abrotman |
| 03:43.08 | grendal_prime | thanks that is.. |
| 03:43.21 | grendal_prime | as i was explaining the problem...i realized what it could be.. |
| 03:43.38 | grendal_prime | thanks for the input..and being a sounding wall again.. |
| 03:44.13 | Claudio32m | i have a p3 motherboard with on IDE connector, i need to replace the cd/dvd drive.. does the standard IDE (not E-IDE) even support dvd formats? |
| 03:44.25 | Claudio32m | or should i just get a CD-RW drive |
| 03:44.33 | nhuisman | third option, throw away that mobo |
| 03:44.34 | nhuisman | ;P |
| 03:44.38 | Claudio32m | no |
| 03:44.40 | Claudio32m | linux runs on it |
| 03:45.05 | grendal_prime | by the way guys..i had something happentoday that made me really thankfull for this distrobution. I had to work on a rh ent. 3 system...omfg...i forgot what that was like it had been soo long... I really appreciate this distro and all the help i get in this channel...Thanks to all of you.. |
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| 03:46.07 | abrotman | Claudio32m: yes .. a DVD drive would work |
| 03:47.05 | Claudio32m | abrotman - DVD-RW too? or am I pushing it? |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | why not? a cdrw works |
| 03:47.30 | Claudio32m | because of the limitations of how much data can be stored using IDE technology |
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| 03:50.31 | goat|work | I have an embedded device running debian, and its not able to get network access, i need to install tcpdump to try to troubleshoot the network problems. can anyone suggest what deb's i need, and maybe a link on how to install manually? (putting the deb's in a folder on the disk) |
| 03:50.31 | magyar | hi all, i have a firewire port and ethernet card (realtek), when I install etch the firewire becomes eth0 and the realtek eth1, but when i look in dmesg, i see the realtek module loading as eth0. In short I caan't get the networking going. Please, any advice is appreciated. Thank you. |
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| 03:51.04 | Claudio32m | you know what it should work, I mean if the specs say its |
| 03:51.06 | Claudio32m | "ide" |
| 03:51.11 | Claudio32m | then i'll get an "ide" drive |
| 03:51.17 | Claudio32m | thats the end of it |
| 03:51.59 | goat|work | ^^ i'm running etch |
| 03:54.26 | grendal_prime | magyar: i would use tcpdump |
| 03:54.36 | grendal_prime | thats the name of the package i believe.. |
| 03:54.57 | grendal_prime | unles you wanted something a little more intuitive..then you could use tethereal |
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| 03:55.31 | Wyzard | magyar: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules is the reason why your interfaces are being renamed |
| 03:55.46 | Wyzard | magyar: Feel free to edit it |
| 03:57.17 | grendal_prime | howabout parsing xml in php..anyone? |
| 03:57.19 | magyar | Wyzard: did it earlier, but that doesnt help |
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| 03:57.53 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ##php ? |
| 03:57.56 | Wyzard | magyar: It's nothing to do with getting networking "working", but it'll set you set your Ethernet card to eth0 if you prefer it that way |
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| 03:58.07 | magyar | Wyzard: i get no lite on the switch, that means the module is not being loaded, I would like to prevent the firewire from loading completley |
| 03:58.29 | grendal_prime | ya tried that lastnight abrotman |
| 03:58.30 | Wyzard | magyar: The FireWire driver isn't preventing your Ethernet from working |
| 03:58.40 | grendal_prime | ill give it another go tonight thought |
| 03:58.44 | grendal_prime | what the hell |
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| 03:58.47 | Wyzard | magyar: and if you have a device for the Ethernet card at all (even if it's called eth1 or whatever), that means the driver is loaded |
| 03:58.54 | magyar | Wyzard: I have a dual boot, XP works like a dream |
| 03:59.18 | Wyzard | magyar: OK, so it's probably not a bad cable -- that's useful to know |
| 03:59.37 | magyar | Wyzard: usually, i have noticed in the past, there is module issues if the card has no light when plugged in to a switch |
| 04:00.06 | Wyzard | magyar: Lack of a driver being loaded is one possible cause (not the only one) for no light on the switch |
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| 04:00.42 | Wyzard | magyar: but if the card shows up as a network interface (e.g. in "ifconfig -a" or "ip link show"), the driver is loaded and has recognized the card |
| 04:00.48 | magyar | Wyzard: just poped in, i'l try to remove some modules and see if that will help |
| 04:01.19 | Wyzard | magyar: Removing arbitrary other modules is unlikely to make a difference |
| 04:01.37 | Wyzard | magyar: Other drivers aren't talking to your network card and have nothing to do with configuring your network card |
| 04:01.53 | magyar | Wyzard: which is kind of strange, the above you mentioned, if "enable hotplug" is set, if i yank the cable out i get a if down error in dmesg |
| 04:02.11 | Wyzard | then the card is definitely recognized by the driver |
| 04:02.34 | magyar | Wyzard: it only shows that the card is up with 100MB speed, but in reality it ain't |
| 04:03.00 | rmullins | has anyone else hit the errno 28: no space left on device int /data/cache/i18n with a new etch system when installing moinmoin? |
| 04:03.11 | magyar | Wyzard: i am not getting the "hotplug notice" on this card |
| 04:03.11 | Wyzard | magyar: That could be a driver problem and/or a cable problem |
| 04:03.23 | Wyzard | magyar: What type of card? |
| 04:03.33 | magyar | Wyzard: realtek |
| 04:03.42 | Wyzard | model number? |
| 04:03.46 | magyar | Wyzard: 8139 onboard |
| 04:04.02 | magyar | Wyzard: never i had an issue with these cards |
| 04:04.10 | magyar | one of the best performers |
| 04:04.14 | Wyzard | yeah, those should have no trouble at all |
| 04:04.18 | magyar | odd |
| 04:05.10 | Wyzard | What do you mean when you say that it doesn't get a "hotplug notice"? |
| 04:05.16 | Wyzard | udev doesn't load the driver automatically? |
| 04:05.16 | magyar | Wyzard: and if i lsmod, i get no modules showing usage of eth except the firewire module |
| 04:05.42 | Wyzard | Does lsmod show "8139too" in its output? |
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| 04:06.11 | lavamind | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.21 | lavamind | this is using Debian sid |
| 04:06.40 | magyar | Wyzard: in /etc/network/interfaces if the "allow-hotplug eth0" is used, when the cable is unplugged, a notice will display in dmesg that cable is unplugged |
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| 04:07.09 | Wyzard | magyar: "allow-hotplug" isn't related to physically plugging in a cable |
| 04:07.35 | Wyzard | magyar: That message is from the driver and will happen anytime the driver is loaded, regardless of the contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:08.29 | xoz | lavamind: when you switch session, did you umount usb drive first from user1? |
| 04:08.41 | dalias | it wasn't mounted yet then, i think... |
| 04:08.55 | xoz | ok |
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| 04:09.31 | lavamind | xoz: the drive wasnt mounted yet at that time |
| 04:09.55 | Sebboh | Question: is there a program that will provide a dump of the traffic on my USB? |
| 04:09.59 | lavamind | xoz, its inserted only when the session is switched to user2 |
| 04:10.09 | abrotman | Sebboh: which device? |
| 04:10.15 | xoz | lavamind: can you check the difference between user1 and user2 groups they belong? at user1, type groups and then same with user2 |
| 04:10.34 | Sebboh | abrotman, all of them? |
| 04:10.40 | abrotman | greedy eh ? |
| 04:10.45 | Sebboh | abrotman: or, a gamepad. |
| 04:10.57 | abrotman | so ttyUSB0 ? |
| 04:11.05 | Sebboh | abrotman: what's that? |
| 04:11.12 | magyar | Wyzard: i feel dumb right now. In the morning I messed with it for an hour after the install. Did reboot and the above changes in udev and so forth but no light. I shut the system down. As we speak I turn the nit on and see the light on port 4. Bahh... , no words. Are you really a Wyzard? |
| 04:11.20 | xoz | lavamind: possible that the default user belongs to the group needed for default disk mounting while user2 was created with not defaults for this. |
| 04:11.33 | abrotman | Sebboh: you might be able to cat the device then feed it input |
| 04:11.39 | Wyzard | magyar: No, I just liked the spelling with the 'y' :-) |
| 04:11.39 | Sebboh | I know zilch about USB. |
| 04:12.20 | Wyzard | My only experience with a ttyUSB0 is a USB-to-serial converter that I have |
| 04:12.25 | Wyzard | It "just works" |
| 04:12.36 | magyar | why as "y" ? |
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| 04:12.39 | magyar | ask |
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| 04:13.06 | Sebboh | abrotman, ok, I plugged a gamepad into my USB hub which is built into my monitor. How do I know which device to cat? |
| 04:13.09 | Wyzard | Sebboh: ttyUSB should be no different from any other serial device afaik... take a look at the minicom package |
| 04:13.09 | xoz | lavamind: also grep /etc for the occurrence of user1... maybe, user1 has more configs in /etc than user2. im just guessing the difference is somewhere in one of /etc config files |
| 04:13.19 | Wyzard | magyar: no particular reason... I just picked a word and liked it |
| 04:13.38 | abrotman | Wyzard: how much is dry ice? :) |
| 04:13.41 | Wyzard | Sebboh: oh, that's probably not a serial device (in the tty* sense) at all |
| 04:13.51 | Wyzard | abrotman: no idea; I've never bought any |
| 04:13.57 | lavamind | xoz, it seems user2 has the same config |
| 04:14.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: what kind of geek are you? :) |
| 04:14.19 | Wyzard | the kind that doesn't buy dry ice, I guess |
| 04:14.31 | lavamind | xoz, but honeslty at this point i'm not 100% sure the device wasnt unmounted when the session was switched |
| 04:14.41 | n3kl | Anyone know if a way to setup and manage a vpm mesh? |
| 04:14.42 | xoz | lavamind: can you grep the occurrence of user1 in /etc? grep -iR user1 /etc. |
| 04:14.46 | lavamind | xoz, I just tested it now and it worked as expected ... |
| 04:14.47 | Maliuta | Wyzard: real geeks don't buy their dry ice ... the make it ;) |
| 04:14.49 | Sebboh | abrotman, dry ice is fairly cheap. Almost as cheap as water-ice, which is overpriced these days. |
| 04:14.49 | n3kl | er VPN mesh? |
| 04:15.02 | Wyzard | n3kl: dunno about the mesh part, but take a look at OpenVPN |
| 04:15.04 | xoz | lavamind: possible that caching also is the problem. try from reboot login as user2. |
| 04:15.26 | n3kl | Wyzard: its the mesh I am after. I have worked with OpenVPN quite a lot. |
| 04:15.29 | xoz | lavamind: what do you mean worked as expected? |
| 04:15.37 | lavamind | xoz, I'll investigate this with the user that had the problem, after testing it myself I think its likely a user error |
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| 04:16.02 | Wyzard | magyar: btw, just so you know, the "allow-hotplug" actually refers to hotplugging the card itself, not the cable |
| 04:16.17 | Wyzard | magyar: basically, if the PCI device suddenly shows up on the bus, it'll get ifup'ed automatically |
| 04:16.37 | lavamind | xoz, when mounting a usb drive in a "secondary" session, the drive was mounted and owned by the active user session |
| 04:16.38 | n3kl | The only way that I know of to setup a mesh, would be to setup static links to each of the clients. That would be a log of configs and subnets to manage. |
| 04:16.54 | xoz | lavamind: yeah. unless it was not umounted, user2 won't have the chance to mount it. can you mount it from user2 manually to check if it was unmounted from switching user1? |
| 04:17.09 | Wyzard | magyar: At boot time, udev scans the system's hardware and generates synthetic hotplug events for all of it (to simulate everything being plugged in suddenly) to trigger driver-loading for all of it, and the "allow-hotplug" causes your network interface to be brought up automatically at that time |
| 04:17.41 | Wyzard | n3kl: That's the only way I can think of too |
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| 04:18.03 | xoz | lavamind: checked /etc/fstab? |
| 04:18.07 | n3kl | Anyone know of any blacknet projects out there? |
| 04:18.08 | lavamind | xoz, I'll try that if the problem creeps up again, as I said it seems to be working as expected now for me |
| 04:18.23 | Wyzard | n3kl: Well, "mesh" implies a peer-to-peer sort of system, not a bunch of clients connecting to a single server |
| 04:18.24 | xoz | lavamind: ok |
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| 04:18.33 | lavamind | xoz, thanks for the help |
| 04:18.41 | xoz | lavamind: np |
| 04:18.42 | Wyzard | n3kl: if your goal is to have lots of "clients" who can all connect to your VPN, you'd just use OpenVPN's multi-client server mode |
| 04:19.10 | n3kl | Wyzard: but then for one client to get to another client, their traffic would travers my bandwidth. |
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| 04:19.47 | Wyzard | n3kl: right, they'd have to have VPN links between them to do otherwise |
| 04:20.17 | Wyzard | n3kl: If the clients have static IPs, you could look into OpenSwan's "opportunistic encryption" feature, for an IPSec VPN |
| 04:20.19 | n3kl | Wyzard: right. Perhaps I am looking for something that does not exist |
| 04:20.34 | Wyzard | n3kl: but the OE feature requires special entries in DNS, so it's not suitable for dynamic hosts |
| 04:21.00 | n3kl | Wyzard: dyndns perhaps? |
| 04:21.26 | Wyzard | n3kl: reverse DNS... beyond what you can do with a dyndns alias |
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| 04:22.26 | Wyzard | though it's been several years since I looked into it, so it might be worth another look just in case it's changed |
| 04:22.31 | n3kl | Wyzard: looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_encryption now |
| 04:23.05 | goat|work | where do i drop .deb files to be able to run sudo dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 04:23.18 | Wyzard | goat|work: anywhere |
| 04:23.30 | n3kl | Wyzard: I read about some theory a couple years ago on blacknets, but I am not sure if anything has happened with it. I think it kind of migrated into a tor type system. |
| 04:23.50 | Wyzard | n3kl: Well, you could install Tor on your clients :-) |
| 04:23.52 | xoz | goat|work: anywhere you have write access |
| 04:24.06 | magyar | Wyzard: roger, thanks for you input |
| 04:24.25 | Wyzard | n3kl: set them up with names in Tor's "hidden service" system, and they can find each other through the anonymous network |
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| 04:25.06 | n3kl | Wyzard: qua? |
| 04:25.49 | magyar | Wyzard: that would apply mostly to laptops with usb or pcmcia or Spark stations with pci hotplug |
| 04:26.12 | n3kl | Wyzard: interesting... |
| 04:26.14 | Wyzard | n3kl: Tor lets you create "hidden services", which are sort of pseudo-DNS names that look like a bunch of hex digits followed by ".onion" |
| 04:26.33 | Wyzard | n3kl: It's a way for one node in Tor to establish a TCP connection to another node without either node actually knowing where the other is |
| 04:27.04 | nikosapi|pewpew | hello, I have a raid5 array (3 disks) that I just added a new disk to but it seems every time I reboot the machine the 4th disk doesn't get added back to the array. I have to add it back manually and wait for the recovery process to complete. Is there a way to stop this behavior? |
| 04:27.14 | Wyzard | n3kl: I don't think it's very reliable, and it involves more intermediate hops than a "normal" connection to a known endpoint, so it can be slower |
| 04:27.20 | nikosapi|pewpew | *I'm using mdadm to do this btw |
| 04:27.41 | Wyzard | n3kl: but it'd at least give each client a way to connect to the others in a fairly secure way |
| 04:28.15 | Wyzard | magyar: For actual hardware hotplug, yes |
| 04:28.43 | n3kl | Wyzard: I am more interested in the WAN subnet idea more than encryption and anaonymous traffic, so it may provide what I am looking for. |
| 04:28.53 | Wyzard | magyar: but udev makes all your "coldplugged" hardware pretend to be hotplugged at bootup |
| 04:29.02 | Wyzard | magyar: so the hotplug system handles both coldplugged and hotplugged hardware |
| 04:29.15 | keith_ | magyar: I assure you, the Wyzard really is a wizard |
| 04:29.31 | keith_ | but a benevolent wizard |
| 04:29.41 | Wyzard | bah, I have neither a beard nor a pointy hat |
| 04:29.49 | Wyzard | though I do tend to play spellcasters in video games :-) |
| 04:30.03 | abrotman | do you have a little wand? |
| 04:30.11 | Wyzard | nope |
| 04:30.27 | abrotman | so you're like .. not fitting the stereotype .. good for you! |
| 04:30.28 | Wyzard | unless you count my trusty Pentel P205 mechanical pencil |
| 04:30.41 | xacier | any new uprising computer maker? |
| 04:30.47 | abrotman | you? |
| 04:31.20 | abrotman | or ask #hardware |
| 04:31.37 | xacier | oka L:( |
| 04:32.36 | n3kl | abrotman: rub in in please |
| 04:32.52 | abrotman | n3kl: oh .. i took extra days ..it wasn't like my company closed |
| 04:33.01 | n3kl | =] |
| 04:35.19 | thruxton | hmm, I cannot start x, I have installed xorg, xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, and a bunch of -input-mouse, -input-synaptics and so on. the problem is no log file is being generated for me to examine after the server fails to start. Anyone know why xorg wont log? |
| 04:35.31 | abrotman | how are you trying to start it ? |
| 04:35.39 | abrotman | and aptitude install xorg should be enough |
| 04:36.03 | thruxton | abrotman: package xorg was installed, starting x via gdm |
| 04:36.22 | thruxton | (debian-amd64 if that makes a difference) |
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| 04:36.23 | abrotman | checkt he log file in /var/log/ |
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| 04:36.36 | thruxton | there is *no* log file |
| 04:37.05 | abrotman | so what happens when you /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
| 04:37.52 | thruxton | I get the blue dialog screen, saying there was an error, would you like to see the log, and it shows an empty page |
| 04:38.02 | abrotman | what does startx do? |
| 04:38.20 | xsdg | thruxton: do you have xbase-clients installed? (or, at least, the packages it depends on?) |
| 04:38.20 | thruxton | then I look in /var/log and see there is no Xorg.log |
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| 04:38.34 | abrotman | it would be Xorg.0.log |
| 04:38.41 | thruxton | xsdg: hmm, I think so, I will look... |
| 04:38.42 | xsdg | thruxton: also, do you have xfonts-base installed? |
| 04:38.46 | darkbahamut | hi everyone |
| 04:39.01 | xsdg | hola |
| 04:39.26 | magyar | the Wyzard of #debian -_- |
| 04:39.37 | thruxton | xsdg: I have xbase-clients. but not the fonts |
| 04:39.57 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to get MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) sound working? |
| 04:40.02 | abrotman | he should still get a log |
| 04:40.24 | thruxton | actually xfonts-base is installed |
| 04:40.28 | xsdg | abrotman: true |
| 04:40.36 | abrotman | thruxton: as a normal user .. try startx |
| 04:40.42 | thruxton | ok. |
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| 04:42.31 | abrotman | did he blow up ? |
| 04:42.32 | thruxton | abrotman: on tty1 xinit: connection refused (errno11) and also xinit: No such process |
| 04:42.42 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: That probably uses the snd-hda-intel driver |
| 04:42.51 | magyar | imagine a OS named OZ and a channel with that name and a benevolent Wyzard with a Pentel P205 mechanical pencil |
| 04:43.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: he and i went over it the other day .. but the driver is flaky as hell apparently |
| 04:43.06 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: Someone was asking yesterday about an MCP61 and the problem turned out to be that it's not supported by etch's kernel, but is supported by later kernels |
| 04:43.37 | xsdg | abrotman: snd-hda-intel works great for me |
| 04:43.38 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: ouch.. did the person ever get it working? |
| 04:43.48 | abrotman | xsdg: it's apparently very mobo dependent |
| 04:43.51 | xsdg | abrotman: (of course, I'm running 2.6.22.9) |
| 04:43.54 | xsdg | abrotman: aah, ok |
| 04:43.56 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 04:44.07 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: Well, I left to go to bed (it was 3:30am), but if he upgraded his kernel, then presumably it worked afterward |
| 04:44.08 | abrotman | thruxton: that doesn't make sense |
| 04:44.26 | abrotman | thruxton: xinit can't connect .. and the rest of it dies |
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| 04:44.50 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: i upgraded mine to Linux Matrix 2.6.22-3-k7 |
| 04:44.56 | thruxton | on tty7 I get a black screen, no pointer or anything, but what bothers me is no log :\ |
| 04:45.20 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: is that not good enough? |
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| 04:46.23 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: It should be... 2.6.22-3 is sid's kernel, which I'm running, and I know it supports the one that the person yesterday was asking about |
| 04:46.29 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: What's the PCI ID of your sound device? |
| 04:47.11 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: (run "lspci -n" and look at the pair of 4-digit numbers with the colon between them) |
| 04:47.12 | abrotman | thruxton: xbase-clients is installed .. right ? |
| 04:47.21 | thruxton | abrotman: yes |
| 04:47.32 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: this it? 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 04:47.53 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: That's the correct device, but it's showing you the name rather than the PCI ID |
| 04:48.00 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: sry i just started with linux a few days ago |
| 04:48.13 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: Run "lspci -n" and find the 00:10.1 line, and paste that line |
| 04:48.40 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: (the "-n" means to show the numeric PCI IDs rather than looking up the names) |
| 04:48.49 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: 00:10.1 0403: 10de:026c (rev a2) |
| 04:49.15 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: cool ill write that down |
| 04:49.20 | magyar | Is swap space/partition directly proportional to physical RAM? |
| 04:49.30 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/xbase-clients |
| 04:49.32 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: yep, that's supported by 2.6.22's snd-hda-intel driver |
| 04:49.54 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: 10de is the vendor code for nVidia, and 026c is the device ID for the MCP51 soundcard |
| 04:50.32 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: cool |
| 04:50.33 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: If you run "/sbin/modinfo snd-hda-intel" and look at all the lines that begin with "pci:", you'll see one that says "pci:v000010DEd0000026C" |
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| 04:51.06 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: That's how the module indicates that it supports that device |
| 04:51.34 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: woa theres alot |
| 04:51.49 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: yeah, they're all various devices supported by that driver |
| 04:52.00 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: cool |
| 04:52.24 | Wyzard | magyar: Some people say your swapspace should be twice your physical RAM as a rule of thumb, but there's really nothing special about that proportion |
| 04:52.31 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: 1 sec taking notes |
| 04:52.59 | Wyzard | magyar: IMO, a better rule of thumb is: swap equals how much RAM you wish you had (or think you might need) minus how much RAM you actually have |
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| 04:53.07 | xsdg | Wyzard: uhh, I doubt that any more |
| 04:53.26 | magyar | Wyzard: thats what i tought, but according to ##linux 256 MB is enough for 256 MB ram or 2 GB |
| 04:53.35 | xsdg | Wyzard: ok, my "doubt" statement was with regards to the "double your ram" thing :o) |
| 04:53.50 | Wyzard | magyar: It may very well be, though more wouldn't hurt |
| 04:53.55 | Wyzard | magyar: It depends on what you'll be running |
| 04:53.59 | xsdg | magyar: I'd use more than 256MB for 256MB of mem |
| 04:54.18 | Wyzard | magyar: if you have enough RAM to fit all the stuff you're running, you don't actually *need* any swap at all (though having some can help with performance a bit) |
| 04:54.28 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: cool.. so umm... how do i install this snd-hda-intel driver? |
| 04:54.37 | Madd_Matt | I added a folder to my path in /etc/profile, but that seems to not be sourced (or is being over written). Where should I be setting my path? |
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| 04:54.55 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: It's probably already been loaded automatically, by hardware detection |
| 04:55.00 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: Run "lsmod" and see if it's listed |
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| 04:55.42 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: yup, snd_hda_intel 239960 1 |
| 04:55.43 | magyar | Wyzard: in all honesty, to have a better understanding a proper research is desired to show the relation with modern h/w and kernel systems |
| 04:55.55 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: but strange my sound dosent work |
| 04:55.56 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: then your driver is already loaded |
| 04:56.05 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: but the volume levels are all zeroed by default |
| 04:56.10 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: Run alsamixer and turn them up |
| 04:56.30 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: when i play a sound its all messed up |
| 04:56.54 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: the volume is fine im pretty sure |
| 04:57.04 | Wyzard | "messed up" in what way? |
| 04:57.54 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: sounds like umm.. its hard to explain |
| 04:58.44 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: and i have no sound on the internet |
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| 05:04.09 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: it sounds like a blown speaker kinda |
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| 05:04.36 | Wyzard | That could mean one of the volume levels is turned up too high |
| 05:05.20 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: not only that but when i open a sound my media player freezes and i have to use system monitor to close it |
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| 05:05.42 | darkbahamut | Wyzard: sometimes the volume icon has an X on it after that happens |
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| 05:09.04 | nvz | darkbahamut: "media player"? |
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| 05:09.37 | nvz | I'm pretty sure thats a registered trademark of Microsoft |
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| 05:09.59 | Wyzard | nvz: "Windows Media Player" is, but "media player" is a generic term |
| 05:10.06 | evilsporkman | uhhh is login supposed to respond right away "Login incorrect" without asking for a password if I enter a username that doesn't exist? |
| 05:10.18 | Wyzard | evilsporkman: yes |
| 05:10.25 | evilsporkman | oh, whew, thought i'd been rooted for a sec |
| 05:10.28 | nvz | Wyzard: well Windows is trademarked.. I knew that I wasn't sure about the rest |
| 05:10.29 | th0rv4ld | :-\ I just backported the version of Wine that I already had. I thought I had added sid to my source list. I just added a second etch. |
| 05:10.30 | Wyzard | evilsporkman: Well, it may pause for a few seconds to discourage brute-force attacks |
| 05:10.34 | darkbahamut | its called totem or something like that |
| 05:10.44 | nvz | ew I hate totem |
| 05:10.48 | evilsporkman | Wyzard: yeah, it doesn't |
| 05:10.57 | nvz | gstreamer is still fugly in general |
| 05:11.12 | nvz | though totem can be run with different backends |
| 05:11.16 | Wyzard | gstreamer is an API and doesn't really have an appearance |
| 05:11.20 | nvz | its still fugly |
| 05:11.39 | nvz | its code and the way it works speaks for its appearance |
| 05:11.47 | nvz | not to mention the frontends that implement it |
| 05:11.56 | darkbahamut | nvz: any recommended media players besides totem? |
| 05:12.11 | Wyzard | I haven't looked at its code, but the overall architecture seems decent |
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| 05:12.31 | nvz | darkbahamut: I use primarily xineui or xine-ui whatever its calle I forget or mplayer on debian, vlc on windows |
| 05:13.02 | th0rv4ld | !simple sid backports |
| 05:13.03 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 05:13.08 | nvz | darkbahamut: mplayer is a ridiculously featured player its really good for forcing things to happen especially good for working with bad files or shitty hardware |
| 05:13.38 | nvz | I use xine-ui though cause I can't for the life of me short of shell scripting get mplayer to do a random or repeat playlist |
| 05:13.53 | darkbahamut | nvz: cool |
| 05:14.17 | nvz | I keep saying I am gonna make something like that thing Microsoft released around Win98 that has like a tv guide and lets you make like a fake tv broadcast from clips that emulates cable tv |
| 05:14.33 | nvz | but just a player with repeat and random works for now |
| 05:14.36 | darkbahamut | nvz: im installing it now |
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| 05:15.52 | nvz | darkbahamut: mplayer has a really heafty manual.. the mplayer command runs just video playback and can be run on various X drivers, svga, vga, or even aalib, but gmplayer starts the GUI you would use mplayer mostly for running it from console, scripts, or to embed it within something else |
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| 05:16.07 | nvz | has lots of skins and stuff too |
| 05:16.16 | nvz | though I don't really care much about that stuff myself |
| 05:16.24 | nvz | I prefer function over form |
| 05:16.52 | nvz | if the fucker could repeat/shuffle like every damn media player known to man I would probably just use it all the time |
| 05:17.10 | darkbahamut | lol |
| 05:17.37 | nvz | cause xine is featurful and been around a long time, but mplayer just seems to offer WAY more control over video files |
| 05:17.52 | darkbahamut | isnt xine-ui a windows emulator? |
| 05:17.55 | nvz | I've used index rebuilding, framedropping, frame rate hacks..etc |
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| 05:18.07 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: No, you're thinking of wine |
| 05:18.08 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: No. Tha't s Wine. |
| 05:18.17 | nvz | xine-ui is the xineUI frontent for the Xine Media Player |
| 05:18.19 | th0rv4ld | Darkbahamut: xine-ui is a media player. |
| 05:18.24 | Wyzard | darkbahamut: (which, btw, stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator") |
| 05:18.24 | darkbahamut | o |
| 05:18.54 | nvz | xine comes in many flavors. .you can actually run totem with xine backend instead of gnome's gstreamer framework |
| 05:19.05 | nvz | I like xineui cause its no-nonsense |
| 05:19.35 | nvz | I can make everything dissapear, unlike in totem if I want to cleanly place the window somewhere.. |
| 05:19.44 | darkbahamut | nvz: so mplayer has to be run from the terminal does it? |
| 05:19.58 | nvz | darkbahamut: or you could associate files in a filemanager with it |
| 05:20.10 | nvz | darkbahamut: gmplayer is what you would run from a menu or icon.. its the GUI |
| 05:20.17 | GhostlyDeath | Without using the keyboard manager, how do I remap the Windows Key to a Meta/Super Meta/whatever? |
| 05:20.22 | n3kl | can symlinks point at symlinks? |
| 05:20.26 | nvz | darkbahamut: mplayer alone will exit after playing a specified file and only shows the video output |
| 05:20.27 | GhostlyDeath | err Keyboard preferences in GNOME |
| 05:20.28 | Wyzard | yes |
| 05:21.07 | darkbahamut | nvz: umm i think ill just try xine-ui |
| 05:21.23 | nvz | darkbahamut: this is why I like mplayer its broken into essentially 4 main tools mplayer, gmplayer, mplayer-plugin, and mencoder |
| 05:22.22 | nvz | mplayer-plugin can handle Real,Windows Media,QuickTime,DivX in your browser |
| 05:22.46 | nvz | mplayer and its related packages are more hard-core |
| 05:22.55 | nvz | I only use it when shit wont work elsewhere |
| 05:23.35 | nvz | I used to use it to play fullscreen videos on a 21" monitor with a really shitty PC.. mplayers features allowed me to use the right settings to get it to play without losin A/V sync |
| 05:23.51 | darkbahamut | nvz: umm.. xine just froze on me o.O |
| 05:24.05 | nvz | darkbahamut: you need to strace you got a driver issue or something |
| 05:24.11 | nvz | if multiple players are locking up |
| 05:24.25 | darkbahamut | nvz: i dont know how to do that |
| 05:24.31 | nvz | darkbahamut: what kernel, debian versions and what video hardware and x driver do you use? |
| 05:24.45 | nvz | darkbahamut: and explain what is happening best you can |
| 05:25.05 | darkbahamut | nvz: ok once i close this player i think i need to re-log |
| 05:25.12 | darkbahamut | nvz: brb |
| 05:25.14 | hardcampa | hmm gotta say, some of the nicer walpapers xmms skins and such I've seen: http://www.schultz-net.dk/index.html |
| 05:25.20 | hardcampa | wallpapers even* |
| 05:26.03 | nvz | there is some dodad for controlling xmms that has more advanced skins |
| 05:26.07 | nvz | kojo or something |
| 05:26.44 | nvz | kjofol |
| 05:26.58 | nvz | !info xmms-kjofol |
| 05:27.00 | GhostlyDeath | Is the keyboard preferences fixed yet? |
| 05:27.16 | nvz | first of all wth are keyboard preferences |
| 05:27.24 | nvz | secondly when were they ever broken |
| 05:27.48 | GhostlyDeath | in GNOME: System > Preferences > Keyboard |
| 05:27.54 | dpkg | xmms-kjofol: (XMMS remote that uses K-Jofol's skins), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.95.0debian3-4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 444 kB, Installed size: 568 kB |
| 05:28.03 | GhostlyDeath | It has been broke for a while |
| 05:28.03 | nvz | "I am sure that they are in tact, wherever they are whole.." -- J (Will Smith) 'Men In Black' |
| 05:28.39 | nvz | broke how? |
| 05:28.53 | nvz | and what makes you think its just going to "get fixed" |
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| 05:29.22 | nvz | you usually have to call your vet and make an impointment to get fluffy "fixed" |
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| 05:29.30 | GhostlyDeath | ... |
| 05:29.43 | GhostlyDeath | The app crashes |
| 05:30.08 | GhostlyDeath | It works in stable and unstable but not in testing |
| 05:30.15 | nvz | you don't just walk in and throw her up on the counter and say, here, fix 'er up... "fix? shit it wan't broke" |
| 05:30.34 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: thats some good info you got there |
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| 05:30.38 | darkbahamut | nvz: umm ok what info did you need again? |
| 05:30.41 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: you know what that says to me? |
| 05:30.47 | evil-rhino | hey, how do i wrap a textfile to 80 characters per line nicely using one wizardish shell command? |
| 05:30.49 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: don't use the testing version |
| 05:31.00 | nvz | that was easy |
| 05:31.34 | GhostlyDeath | I think http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_IRC_support contains facts |
| 05:31.43 | nvz | darkbahamut: debian version, kernel version, video driver being used in X, video output plugin being used in the media players in question, and what video card you have for starters |
| 05:32.04 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: it may or may not.. thats neither here nor there |
| 05:32.21 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: you're avoiding various obvious solutions to your problem |
| 05:32.57 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: 1) file a bug report.. maintatiner knows best about the sort of question as to when things will be fixed. 2) don't use broken stuff, backport, use apt-listbugs to avoid problems..etc |
| 05:33.09 | darkbahamut | nvz: Debian Etch, Kernal 2.6.22-3-k7, Video Card nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7200 (rev a1) |
| 05:33.09 | nvz | you are running non-stable software and you are expected to know better |
| 05:33.17 | nvz | don't start giving me some troll about how we work |
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| 05:33.47 | GhostlyDeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.05 | nvz | I've been here 7 years and yeah I'm a little jaded.. but your question answered itself, it doesn't work, you know what does.. so use it, fix it, or contact the person who maintains it |
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| 05:35.02 | nvz | if you need advice on how to keep a system stable by avoiding hasty upgrades to broken shit, and how to recover from that by using older/newer packages thats one thing |
| 05:35.18 | darkbahamut | nvz: problem media players freeze and sound like a blown speaker need to use system monitor to close it and no sound in internet at all |
| 05:35.19 | nvz | I am not going to tell you when someone elses software is going to be fixed that is arrogant to think |
| 05:35.40 | darkbahamut | nvz: not even a startup sound when i log-on to debian |
| 05:35.46 | nvz | darkbahamut: 2.6.22-3-k7 doesn't seem to be an etch kernel, where did it come from? |
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| 05:36.06 | darkbahamut | nvz: i was told to upgrade to it |
| 05:36.19 | nvz | darkbahamut: ok, well how did you do so, where did it come from? |
| 05:36.24 | nvz | and why did you upgrade it? |
| 05:36.33 | darkbahamut | nvz: its from backports |
| 05:36.38 | nvz | ok |
| 05:36.45 | nvz | and why did you need a newer kernel? |
| 05:36.50 | darkbahamut | !backport |
| 05:36.50 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <backports.org> |
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| 05:37.06 | nvz | more important info here is driver info with the nature of this problem |
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| 05:37.12 | GhostlyDeath | Repositories havn't seem to have been updated in weeks |
| 05:37.40 | nvz | what is your sound card, what is the driver, what X driver is being used for video, and what video output plugins and audio output plugins are configured in the media player? |
| 05:37.59 | nvz | and I assume you are using gnome, are you also using esd or another sound daemon? |
| 05:38.00 | darkbahamut | nvz: oh yah 1 more thing.. when i boot linux i get a black screen so i have to boot with append acpi-off naopic to fix it |
| 05:38.12 | nvz | darkbahamut: is this a laptop? |
| 05:38.16 | darkbahamut | nvz: yup |
| 05:38.26 | nvz | figures :P |
| 05:38.32 | darkbahamut | nvz: HP Pavilion dv6040us |
| 05:38.34 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: yeah shit happens |
| 05:39.15 | GhostlyDeath | darkbahamut: What sound card? |
| 05:39.25 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: my method when I run testing or unstable is to do your homework, track news, changelogs, bug reports and get in a healthy backup and upgrade routine.. but don't be too hasty to upgrade stuff with little useful changes and handfuls of bugs |
| 05:39.37 | darkbahamut | GhostlyDeath: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 05:39.45 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: we have both apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges to aid you there |
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| 05:40.19 | nvz | those MCP cards can be a royal PITA |
| 05:40.38 | darkbahamut | nvz: think it can be fixed? |
| 05:40.39 | GhostlyDeath | My sound card works fine |
| 05:40.57 | nvz | I been building these nforce430/geforce6100 systems with Sempron64s for people lately as I thought they would be a good 64bit linux system |
| 05:41.09 | nvz | but turns out they like most things come with flakey hardware sometimes |
| 05:41.35 | nvz | this one I just built has a Realtek MCP audio and I couldn't get it to work right off so I put in an SB Live at my expense |
| 05:41.45 | nvz | told the dude when I want it back I'd figure out what the problem was |
| 05:42.10 | nvz | was my fault letting them ship me a board with specs other than what I was expecting |
| 05:42.20 | nvz | the one I had built two months earlier was all nvidia |
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| 05:42.27 | nvz | and worked fine |
| 05:42.31 | GhostlyDeath | Just installed Debian on another PC (HP Pavilion) and only get 800x600 and if a sound plays, the "pipeline" crashes and it's like a broken record forever (until it is killed or you restart the PC) |
| 05:42.53 | nvz | yeah you can forceunload the driver sometimes and stop it |
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| 05:43.09 | nvz | and if you know what the rest sequence was you could reset the device I am sure |
| 05:43.25 | nvz | I used to send hex codes to a scsi scanner to get it to stop acting retarded |
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| 05:44.11 | darkbahamut | nvz: think my problem is fixable? |
| 05:44.23 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: whats your reason for using non-stable do you have a need for new software, just like to see whats out there, or are you doing it to test and find bugs? |
| 05:44.36 | GhostlyDeath | nvz: fix bugs |
| 05:44.45 | nvz | darkbahamut: probably though it seems entirely kernel/hardware related |
| 05:45.07 | nvz | darkbahamut: you still haven't provided me any driver or output plugin info or signal traces or anything I can narrow it down with |
| 05:45.20 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: do you code or just test? |
| 05:45.22 | GhostlyDeath | nvz: did some research and they say the keyboard preferences crash is fixed in unstable |
| 05:45.33 | darkbahamut | nvz: o umm i dunno how to get that info |
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| 05:45.38 | GhostlyDeath | nvz: I do some programming (but not for Debian or Linux) |
| 05:45.45 | calin | if i know "search text" is in a certain file in a certain directory, based on a `find | xargs cat | grep -i "search text"` why doesn't `grep -irH "search text" *` work? |
| 05:45.50 | darkbahamut | nvz: im new to linux i just installed my first time a few days ago |
| 05:45.53 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: I think you need to learn to mind debian policy better and learn to just fix whats broken and not be distro jumping and stuff |
| 05:46.12 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: setting up chroots just to test is easy too btw |
| 05:46.17 | GhostlyDeath | nvz: I don't distro jump, I've only used Debian and I prefer it |
| 05:46.40 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: you can dbootstrap a dir and schroot programs from other distros from a stable system without screwing shit up |
| 05:46.56 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: I mean jumping within debian's different branches |
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| 05:47.18 | GhostlyDeath | nvz: I stick with testing but if needed, I'll grab packages from unstable at the most |
| 05:47.29 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: makes problems far more complicated and makes any testing you do pretty useless as you will uncover anomolies that nobody should run into if they use it properly |
| 05:48.38 | nvz | I just tried running a chroot install for the first time recently to run 32bit apps on Debian AMD64.. worked ok |
| 05:48.48 | darkbahamut | nvz: how do i find out the driver or output plugin? |
| 05:49.03 | GhostlyDeath | nvz: Grabbing from unstable fixed my problem so I'm not complaining |
| 05:49.05 | nvz | darkbahamut: well did you install nvidia drivers? |
| 05:49.25 | darkbahamut | nvz: nope |
| 05:49.30 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: yeah well when they are close its not bad.. but when they drift apart having packages mixed makes things confusing |
| 05:49.44 | nvz | darkbahamut: then you are likely using the nv driver shipped with xorg |
| 05:50.06 | nvz | darkbahamut: the preferences in the media player should tell you which audio and video output plugins it is using |
| 05:50.09 | GhostlyDeath | The nv driver with xorg only goes up to 800x600 for me |
| 05:50.21 | GhostlyDeath | sound is broke too |
| 05:50.27 | nvz | I just install the nvidia drivers |
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| 05:50.37 | nvz | nvidia cards are nice they work well |
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| 05:51.20 | nvz | nvidia support The Debian Way(tm) on the other hand still has its issues at times |
| 05:51.23 | darkbahamut | nvz: the driver its using is vesa |
| 05:51.33 | nvz | darkbahamut: xorg or the media player? |
| 05:51.46 | GhostlyDeath | My system uses Integrated Intel Drivers (the comp with NVidia is someone elses) |
| 05:51.47 | darkbahamut | nvz: xorg |
| 05:51.49 | nvz | ew |
| 05:51.55 | nvz | that could be half the problem right there |
| 05:52.10 | nvz | though if one the app is freezing and two the sound is acting up sounds like two different problems |
| 05:52.13 | GhostlyDeath | and Windows 98 Keeps crashing... |
| 05:52.45 | nvz | unrelated problems at that as the Video is on the northbridge, audio on the south, with different memory, i/o, dma..etc so they aren't likely the same problem |
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| 05:53.16 | nvz | but I would at least try nv if not install the nvidia drivers to get the video apps freezing taken care of |
| 05:53.26 | nvz | nv may not support your card |
| 05:53.41 | sandrot | where can I learn about how debian's init scripts work? How do I enable or disable startup services |
| 05:53.43 | nvz | it will tell you if you try in the log what it supports and if it detects your card |
| 05:53.45 | darkbahamut | nvz: output speaker arrangement is that 1 of the things you wanted? |
| 05:53.56 | nvz | sandrot: man rcconf, man update-rc.d |
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| 05:54.45 | GhostlyDeath | aww, the Run Dialog broke, guess I'll have to use a terminal window then.. |
| 05:54.52 | nvz | sandrot: basically scripts reside in /etc/init.d/ and are linked to /etc/rc#.d/ where # is the runlevel number, and the links say S## for start or K## for kill where ## is the load priority lowest being first |
| 05:55.41 | nvz | sandrot: update-rc.d -f <script> remove, where <script> is say ssh for example, will remove all links for ssh from all runlevels preserving the script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:55.45 | sandrot | ahh, linked eh |
| 05:55.50 | darkbahamut | nvz: it says audio output type stereo |
| 05:55.53 | nvz | sandrot: see manpage for more details on how to use update-rc.d |
| 05:56.21 | sandrot | I can't man rcconf...is that alright? |
| 05:56.28 | nvz | darkbahamut: na I was looking for alsa/oss/ something of the sort and the device name of the card |
| 05:57.25 | nvz | darkbahamut: but I really don't know I'd try upgrading the kernel (or going back to the debian etch one if possible) and also I'd try using nv or nvidia (have to get driver from nvidia.com) for the video kernel update might solve the audio |
| 05:58.06 | darkbahamut | nvz: so i should try the video first? |
| 05:58.33 | nvz | darkbahamut: its a complex problem those are my best guesses for improvement of the situation without doing much more digging dmesg, stracing..etc looking for hardware bugs, acpi or apic errors..etc |
| 05:58.44 | nvz | darkbahamut: that would be the easiest thing to do right now |
| 05:58.52 | nvz | I am going back to bed |
| 05:59.12 | nvz | sandrot: its probably not installed |
| 05:59.22 | darkbahamut | nvz: umm.. ill see what i can do |
| 05:59.28 | nvz | sandrot: its pretty shitty and generic curses based runlevel editor last I used it years ago |
| 05:59.39 | nvz | sandrot: I use update-rc.d or do it by hand |
| 05:59.54 | sandrot | hmm, can I stop a service from starting up without removing it from /etc/init.d? |
| 06:00.04 | nvz | sandrot: /etc/init.d/service stop |
| 06:00.15 | nvz | and update-rc.d -f service remove |
| 06:00.23 | nvz | will stop it from starting by removing the links |
| 06:00.39 | nvz | thats what the -f is for, it won't remove links when the script still exists in /etc/init.d/ unless you use the -f |
| 06:01.40 | sandrot | cool |
| 06:01.48 | darkbahamut | nvz: umm |
| 06:01.56 | nvz | update-rc.d service defaults puts it back to the way it was IIRC |
| 06:02.02 | darkbahamut | nvz: nvidia dosent have the drivers for my card? |
| 06:02.12 | nvz | darkbahamut: hmm.. that sucks.. heh |
| 06:02.29 | darkbahamut | nvz: mine is 7200 and it has 8200+ |
| 06:02.34 | nvz | darkbahamut: I don't know what to tell ya.. sounds like you got a new and buggy unsupported laptop |
| 06:02.45 | darkbahamut | 7800+* |
| 06:03.00 | nvz | I hate laptops for that reason |
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| 06:03.24 | darkbahamut | nvz: i know my sound does work in ubuntu when i run the live cd but thats the only one ive tried with sound |
| 06:03.30 | nvz | they cut corners making tiny hardware with no public blueprint then mask it with proprietary software fixes |
| 06:03.48 | nvz | laptops aren't friendly to other OS's that arent supported by thier mfgs |
| 06:03.49 | BlueToothz | sorry to ask in debianchannel, not sure if its the place or not. but with a home linux box. what would be the most suitable for a home ircd.. dsl or cable, and what determines it will be less splits |
| 06:04.07 | darkbahamut | nvz: yea i guess so |
| 06:04.09 | nvz | darkbahamut: well then install the kernel off that cd onto your debian box |
| 06:04.26 | darkbahamut | nvz: o.O |
| 06:04.26 | nvz | darkbahamut: and find some kind of nvidia or nv driver cause vesa isn't cutting it for your hardware |
| 06:04.37 | nvz | google around find out if its supported by linux |
| 06:04.43 | darkbahamut | nvz: k |
| 06:04.45 | nvz | darkbahamut: a kernel is a kernel |
| 06:04.54 | nvz | darkbahamut: if the ubuntu kernel works, use it |
| 06:05.19 | darkbahamut | nvz: i know but i get many recommends about etch |
| 06:05.28 | nvz | this has nothing to do with that |
| 06:05.31 | nvz | keep debian etch |
| 06:05.36 | nvz | use the ubuntu kernel package |
| 06:05.46 | nvz | and load the same driver it does |
| 06:06.00 | darkbahamut | nvz: how would i do that? |
| 06:06.05 | streuner | !hakadance nvz |
| 06:06.07 | nvz | just pop the cd in, copy the kernel, and dpkg -i or use gdebbi |
| 06:06.36 | nvz | if the debian kernel and kernel from backports makes your speakers sound like they are gonna expload and the ubuntu one makes it work.. sounds like a plan to me |
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| 06:06.49 | streuner | no, thats crap |
| 06:06.49 | nvz | saves you having to hand roll one |
| 06:06.57 | nvz | streuner: why? |
| 06:07.05 | nvz | I for one don't see why it wouldnt work |
| 06:07.15 | nvz | though I don't care either |
| 06:07.18 | nvz | I'm going to bed :P |
| 06:07.35 | darkbahamut | nvz: i think im gonna need help with this |
| 06:07.58 | darkbahamut | nvz: i dunno how to do any of what you just said.. umm will you be on tomorrow? |
| 06:08.06 | nvz | darkbahamut: I'm on here all the time.. |
| 06:08.11 | nvz | I have no intention of leaving |
| 06:08.17 | nvz | just not paying attention anymore |
| 06:08.19 | nvz | heh |
| 06:08.27 | nvz | I intended on doing that a long time ago though |
| 06:08.32 | nvz | yet here I am |
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| 06:08.43 | darkbahamut | nvz: but your going to bed you said? |
| 06:08.46 | streuner | darkbahamut: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:08.48 | nvz | yep |
| 06:08.55 | streuner | sleep well |
| 06:08.59 | simonrvn | tail -n 1 |
| 06:09.02 | darkbahamut | nvz: gnite |
| 06:09.06 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm 1 sec |
| 06:09.13 | nvz | streuner, cahoot, simonrvn .. these people know 3 times more than me |
| 06:09.19 | nvz | especially when I'm sleeping |
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| 06:09.42 | streuner | oh, there is someone who know BETTER, good for me :-) |
| 06:09.42 | nvz | its not like I'm the only one around here who knows anyhthing |
| 06:09.52 | simonrvn | i'm just some random NDN dude. |
| 06:09.54 | nvz | in fact I do a better job of acting stupid and hiding what I know most of the time |
| 06:09.55 | darkbahamut | streuner: says ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:10.18 | streuner | darkbahamut: and what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 06:10.38 | nvz | I'm usually just procrastinating against something like I am now |
| 06:10.42 | darkbahamut | streuner: Linux version 2.6.22-3-k7 (Debian 2.6.22-5~bpo.1) (norbert@tretkowski.de) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Oct 31 16:52:59 UTC 2007 |
| 06:11.20 | simonrvn | fuck sometimes i really hate it when things breaks for no (obvious) reason |
| 06:11.24 | streuner | darkbahamut: which bit in sound doesnt work exactly? |
| 06:11.27 | simonrvn | break* |
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| 06:11.50 | simonrvn | like my typing :P |
| 06:12.05 | streuner | there are no "no reasons", everything has its own reason, you only have to find out... ;-) |
| 06:12.11 | darkbahamut | streuner: i get no sound on internet and with media players sound is all messed up like my speaker is blown.. which it is not |
| 06:12.42 | darkbahamut | streuner: its like a non stop ticking kinda noise |
| 06:12.55 | simonrvn | what's the sound card? |
| 06:12.59 | streuner | darkbahamut: what happens if you are using the default etch kernel? |
| 06:13.10 | simonrvn | are you using an .asoundrc? |
| 06:13.15 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm |
| 06:13.26 | streuner | darkbahamut: lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 06:13.28 | darkbahamut | streuner: im not sure yet i think the same thing |
| 06:13.50 | darkbahamut | 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 06:14.18 | simonrvn | looks like some built-in thing... |
| 06:14.27 | nvz | streuner: that -v is kinda useless since you grepped for audio |
| 06:14.33 | darkbahamut | lspci -n 00:10.1 0403: 10de:026c (rev a2) |
| 06:14.41 | nvz | simonrvn: yep onboard nvidia laptop sound |
| 06:15.31 | Nyle | full house tonight |
| 06:15.36 | Nyle | whats up guys |
| 06:15.37 | nvz | not really |
| 06:15.39 | nvz | I'm not here |
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| 06:15.49 | Nyle | sledgehammer |
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| 06:15.51 | nvz | yeah I switched workspaces then switched back |
| 06:15.52 | nvz | heh |
| 06:15.54 | Nyle | thats like permanent sleep |
| 06:15.55 | Nyle | lol |
| 06:15.59 | nvz | I have to take it off my screen to sleep |
| 06:16.04 | darkbahamut | just do this nvz |
| 06:16.08 | nvz | I'll keep waking up and reading irc if its on the screen |
| 06:16.08 | darkbahamut | !configure nvz |
| 06:16.17 | Nyle | nvz: just say fuck irc im going to bed |
| 06:16.19 | nvz | then reading leads to having input |
| 06:16.19 | simonrvn | turn the monitor off |
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| 06:16.39 | nvz | that doesn't work.. I swear I can hear the buffer writing to my disk |
| 06:16.47 | nvz | tick tick.. tick |
| 06:16.54 | nvz | ah, its Nyle again.. |
| 06:16.54 | Nyle | turn off the machine |
| 06:16.58 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:17.02 | Nyle | what? |
| 06:17.10 | Nyle | wtf are you on about? do i need to smack you? |
| 06:17.13 | nvz | I can tell when your online by the sound of my pc |
| 06:17.15 | darkbahamut | streuner: does it sound fixable? |
| 06:17.20 | Nyle | nvz: umm? |
| 06:17.23 | nvz | not really.. but sounded cool |
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| 06:17.44 | Nyle | nvz: i don't get it but ok |
| 06:18.18 | Nyle | i want to get all the back to the future movies |
| 06:18.20 | Nyle | man those kicked ass |
| 06:18.49 | nvz | isn't Michael J Fox like really ill or something these days? |
| 06:18.54 | streuner | darkbahamut: Who told you to use 2.6.22 kernel? |
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| 06:19.31 | darkbahamut | streuner: i was told to try it because it may fix my acpi problem |
| 06:19.37 | nvz | blah -> |
| 06:20.04 | techbie | Hello all, can anyone recommend utility to convert doc to text |
| 06:20.33 | streuner | openoffice |
| 06:20.36 | Nyle | techbie: umm hmm you can try something that opens doc files and saves as txt |
| 06:20.42 | Nyle | streuner: dude go sit down |
| 06:20.46 | Nyle | techbie: abiword |
| 06:21.10 | streuner | darkbahamut: How about to buy second hand a emu10k1? |
| 06:21.15 | techbie | streuner, Nyle ; thanks |
| 06:21.23 | Nyle | techbie: yup, streuner is the man |
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| 06:21.27 | darkbahamut | streuner: dunno what that is o.O |
| 06:21.46 | streuner | darkbahamut: Soundblaster live ;-) |
| 06:22.08 | darkbahamut | streuner: i cant afford to buy anything right now |
| 06:22.31 | darkbahamut | streuner: wont be able to for about 4-5 months i think |
| 06:22.31 | Nyle | i would be able to save so much money only if i stopped smoking pot |
| 06:25.23 | darkbahamut | nvz: the ubuntu kernal thing.. will you be awake long enough to help me? |
| 06:25.27 | streuner | darkbahamut: show us the output of "lspci -n" in paste.debian.net |
| 06:25.48 | darkbahamut | streuner: you want both lspci and lspci -n? |
| 06:26.01 | streuner | no, only "lspci -n" |
| 06:26.07 | darkbahamut | streuner: k |
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| 06:27.04 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/42956 |
| 06:27.06 | PythonNinja | hi.. since i upgraded to lenny, i'm getting all sorts of ridiculous compile errors with gcc.. is anyone else experiencing this and what's the most likely fix? |
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| 06:28.16 | floyd_n_milan | hi |
| 06:28.22 | floyd_n_milan | i need to compile a kernel |
| 06:28.34 | floyd_n_milan | but i want to use the debian patchset |
| 06:28.54 | floyd_n_milan | specifically, kernel version 2.6.20 |
| 06:28.56 | floyd_n_milan | how do i get it? |
| 06:29.21 | dondelelcaro | floyd_n_milan: why exactly do you want to build that kernel? |
| 06:29.26 | floyd_n_milan | xen |
| 06:29.50 | streuner | darkbahamut: 10de026cYesnVidia CorporationMCP51 High Definition Audiosnd-hda-intelv2.6.21 |
| 06:30.00 | streuner | darkbahamut: is the module loaeded? |
| 06:30.15 | dondelelcaro | floyd_n_milan: if xen builds on it, there are probably debian kernels of it in snapshot.debian.net, or you could just use the newer kernels with xen already. |
| 06:30.31 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm |
| 06:30.37 | floyd_n_milan | okies, i'll check it out |
| 06:30.49 | streuner | darkbahamut: lsmod would tell you |
| 06:31.18 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I don't think Xen is available for 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 |
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| 06:31.32 | streuner | heh |
| 06:31.47 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, but .23 does... |
| 06:32.02 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: domU but not dom0, as I've heard |
| 06:32.08 | dondelelcaro | could be |
| 06:32.10 | darkbahamut | streuner: i dont think so or umm i dont know |
| 06:32.10 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: dom0 support will be integrated later |
| 06:32.32 | streuner | darkbahamut: you are using ALSA, right? |
| 06:32.43 | darkbahamut | streuner: yup |
| 06:32.55 | streuner | darkbahamut: show us the whole output in paste.debian.net "lsmod" |
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| 06:33.09 | darkbahamut | streuner: k |
| 06:33.52 | darkbahamut | http://paste.debian.net/42958 |
| 06:34.04 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/42958 ** |
| 06:35.18 | streuner | darkbahamut: and you only get this sound-problem in Debian, other OS works? |
| 06:35.46 | darkbahamut | streuner: it works in windows and ubuntu its all ive tried so far |
| 06:35.54 | Asmooh | anyone knows a proxy server that support POST / GET and not squid3 ? |
| 06:36.12 | streuner | darkbahamut: what kernel did you use in ubuntu? |
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| 06:36.36 | darkbahamut | streuner: i dont know i never installed it.. i just ran it from the live-cd |
| 06:36.49 | Sebboh | I haven't been able to find dom0 in testing for a while, I had to use stable. |
| 06:37.09 | Sebboh | s/dom0/the hypervisor/ |
| 06:37.31 | darkbahamut | streuner: i know in windows the driver for my audio is called Conexant High Definition Audio |
| 06:37.34 | streuner | darkbahamut: whats the exact URL? |
| 06:37.46 | streuner | darkbahamut: (ubuntu-live) |
| 06:37.58 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm let me get it.. 1 sec |
| 06:38.04 | BlueToothz | What are the X Libraries debian is referring to? |
| 06:38.12 | multi_io | 5 Xorg freezes in 3 hours (no mouse/keyboard interaction possible, mouse pointer still moveable). Believe it or not, there comes a point when this crappy technology forces me to use Windoze. Or switch to Ubuntu. Or whatever. |
| 06:38.17 | Sebboh | Question: does the usb-client stuff work on ordinary usb hardware, or does it require something special? |
| 06:38.26 | darkbahamut | streuner: the cd says shipit.ubuntu.com |
| 06:38.41 | darkbahamut | streuner: or www.ubuntu.com |
| 06:39.19 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm... brb |
| 06:39.38 | inazad | someone has good in graphism ? |
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| 06:41.03 | darkbahamut | streuner: back |
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| 06:41.37 | GhostlyDeath | There a package that will put in man pages for C functions? (like "man sprintf") |
| 06:42.42 | multi_io | manpages-dev |
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| 06:43.00 | Guerin | Sebboh: your question is unclear? |
| 06:43.05 | dalias | man sprintf should just say "do not use this function" |
| 06:43.06 | Guerin | s/?/./ |
| 06:43.30 | GhostlyDeath | dalias: I know, snprintf > sprintf |
| 06:43.34 | Guerin | dalias: it seems to me that your definition of `broken' approximates `not how I would like it to be', again ;) |
| 06:44.07 | dalias | it's very difficult to use sprintf safely |
| 06:44.11 | dalias | almost always it's a vuln |
| 06:44.21 | multi_io | there are situations where you can safely use sprintf |
| 06:44.25 | dalias | yes |
| 06:44.30 | Sebboh | Guerin, a camera uses USB, but it can not accept devices. It is a device. That's what I call usb-client (and that's what the kernel module is called, afaik.) My question is, can I build an ordinary PC that is a USB-client, ie, a device. |
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| 06:44.58 | dalias | but unless someone is already an expert on sprintf behavior, they probably cannot judge when it's safe.. |
| 06:45.01 | Asmooh | nobody? |
| 06:45.12 | Guerin | Sebboh: i see. I believe you need client hardware, as opposed to host hardware, which is what a usb port generally is |
| 06:45.14 | dalias | asmooh, ? |
| 06:45.28 | Asmooh | "anyone knows a proxy server that support POST / GET and not squid3 ?" |
| 06:45.33 | musikgoat | after i set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, why doesn't ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up, stop dhcp requests? |
| 06:45.39 | floyd_n_milan | hmm |
| 06:45.42 | Guerin | Asmooh: why are you asking in #debian? |
| 06:45.46 | Asmooh | eh |
| 06:45.55 | Asmooh | because my server is running debian? |
| 06:45.59 | floyd_n_milan | would it not be possible to get a specific version for linux-image via apt-get source? |
| 06:46.20 | Guerin | Asmooh: but you're asking a generic question about software, which you could ask teh goog, or something. |
| 06:46.25 | Guerin | nothing to do with debian |
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| 06:46.47 | Guerin | floyd_n_milan: not really much point. |
| 06:47.06 | floyd_n_milan | well i need the source for 2.6.20 |
| 06:47.09 | floyd_n_milan | it fetches 22 |
| 06:47.43 | Guerin | why not use the kernel.org sources? |
| 06:47.46 | Guerin | i mean |
| 06:47.49 | dalias | musikgoat, use the ifdown and ifup commands |
| 06:47.50 | Guerin | your purpose is unclear |
| 06:47.56 | streuner | darkbahamut: What happens if you using OSS instead of ALSA? |
| 06:48.01 | dalias | you probably need to ifdown _before_ changing the config |
| 06:48.05 | dalias | and ifup _after_ changing it |
| 06:48.15 | dalias | of course you could also just kill the dhclient3 process |
| 06:48.24 | floyd_n_milan | ok hmm |
| 06:48.39 | floyd_n_milan | well the purpose is to take some shortcuts |
| 06:48.43 | darkbahamut | streuner: how would i do that? |
| 06:48.45 | floyd_n_milan | ok i'll go for the kernel.org sources |
| 06:48.50 | Guerin | floyd_n_milan: this already sounds unwise |
| 06:48.58 | floyd_n_milan | yeah hmm |
| 06:49.00 | floyd_n_milan | ok thanks |
| 06:49.05 | floyd_n_milan | i'll go in a sane way |
| 06:49.07 | Guerin | floyd_n_milan: for god's sakes, use the kp mantra. |
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| 06:49.29 | floyd_n_milan | and what is the kp mantra? |
| 06:49.35 | musikgoat | dalias: much thanks but that didn't change it |
| 06:49.35 | streuner | darkbahamut: you disable ALSA, make sure that no modules loaded and modprobe OSS module |
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| 06:49.44 | dalias | multi_io, guerin, care to show some safe use of sprintf? :) |
| 06:49.48 | Guerin | floyd_n_milan: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 06:49.55 | floyd_n_milan | oh ok |
| 06:49.57 | floyd_n_milan | thanks |
| 06:50.08 | Guerin | dalias: I was taking the piss, I know nothign about sprintf or any other c function |
| 06:50.11 | musikgoat | dalias: http://pastebin.com/d3e4f2246 |
| 06:50.21 | floyd_n_milan | ah.. im new to debian, still learning |
| 06:50.22 | floyd_n_milan | thanks |
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| 06:50.45 | darkbahamut | streuner: sry.. umm o.O i just started linux the first time a few days ago.. i know almost nothing about it |
| 06:51.14 | darkbahamut | streuner: how do i disable alsa? |
| 06:51.19 | dalias | guerin, ah.. well all you need to know is that sprintf was a leading cause of buffer overflows when they were common :) |
| 06:51.59 | streuner | darkbahamut: remove alsa*-packages |
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| 06:53.43 | darkbahamut | now aptitude install oss*-packages ? |
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| 06:55.20 | darkbahamut | wols: hiya wols |
| 06:55.37 | multi_io | int i=42; char buf[100]; sprintf(buf, "foo %i", i); |
| 06:55.45 | darkbahamut | streuner: how do i get the oss packages now? |
| 06:55.48 | streuner | only problems with this crap (nvidia) |
| 06:55.53 | multi_io | ? |
| 06:56.22 | streuner | !ac97 |
| 06:56.22 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 06:56.52 | streuner | darkbahamut: first you have to make sure, that no modules (ALSA) loaded... |
| 06:57.09 | streuner | darkbahamut: i would go for i810_audio |
| 06:57.37 | musikgoat | ok, i'm having a wierd problem with networking (dalias, i fixed my problem by rebooting)... although there is a significant amount of system network traffic coming out of my embedded debian box, i cannot get any communication. I cannot ping out or into the box. I know the following: its not the cable, its not the nic, and its not ip address problems. I was told about tcpdump, which i've installed, but don't know how to decypher. |
| 06:57.43 | darkbahamut | streuner: i dont think an alsa is loaded |
| 06:58.06 | streuner | darkbahamut: show us "lsmod" again in paste.debian.nt |
| 06:58.14 | streuner | paste.debian.net |
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| 06:58.54 | dalias | multi_io, not safe. there's no guarantee in C that sizeof(int) is small |
| 06:59.00 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/42959 |
| 06:59.01 | dalias | what if sizeof(int) is 100? |
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| 06:59.25 | dalias | oh i see your example has 42 hard-coded... |
| 06:59.30 | multi_io | yep |
| 06:59.33 | dalias | but in any real code, the value of i would be arbitrary |
| 06:59.45 | dalias | here's the correct code: |
| 06:59.46 | streuner | darkbahamut: the modules are still loaded |
| 06:59.46 | multi_io | it may be restrained |
| 06:59.54 | multi_io | between 0 and 100, say |
| 07:00.08 | dalias | char buf[5+3*sizeof(int)]; sprintf(buf, "foo %i", i); |
| 07:00.15 | darkbahamut | streuner: do i need to restart? |
| 07:00.17 | streuner | darkbahamut: just "apt-get remove alsa-utils" |
| 07:00.23 | darkbahamut | streuner: k |
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| 07:00.44 | streuner | darkbahamut: make sure /etc/init.d/alsa-utils isnt there too |
| 07:01.14 | dalias | that assumes CHAR_BIT is 8, which is a reasonable assumption on any remotely posixy target |
| 07:01.16 | streuner | darkbahamut: yes, just reboot, its the easy way to get rid of the modules |
| 07:01.21 | dalias | if you don't like that |
| 07:01.35 | darkbahamut | streuner: ok ill brb |
| 07:01.44 | Nyle | people of earth i have one word for you |
| 07:01.48 | Nyle | testicles. that is all |
| 07:02.04 | PythonNinja | thanks Nyle :) |
| 07:02.06 | Nyle | lol, this guy is hilarious |
| 07:02.10 | dalias | char buf[5+sizeof(int)*CHAR_BIT] gives a very bad bound :) |
| 07:02.11 | Nyle | oh hehe |
| 07:02.15 | Nyle | nm me |
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| 07:05.59 | streuner | root_: you have to log in as user, otherwise you arent able to talk here... |
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| 07:07.05 | streuner | fine |
| 07:07.29 | darkbahamut | k back |
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| 07:07.50 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/42960 |
| 07:07.51 | streuner | darkbahamut: show us "lsmod" again in paste.debian.net |
| 07:09.06 | musikgoat | although there is a significant amount of system network traffic coming out of my embedded debian box, i cannot get any communication. with a direct connection to my laptop, ethereal sees ARP requests when I ping out of the box, but I get 100% packet loss. I can obtain an IP address though if on dhcp. any suggestions? |
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| 07:13.20 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm its still loaded isnt it? |
| 07:13.50 | streuner | darkbahamut: show us "lsmod" again in paste.debian.net |
| 07:14.07 | darkbahamut | streuner: i did above the last time you asked |
| 07:14.11 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/42960 |
| 07:14.13 | MidnighToker | -this might be a little OT, i'm doing some research into "linux support"... just wondering how you guys deal with people asking for support on ubuntu and how regularly that happens. |
| 07:14.27 | dalias | it happens constantly.. |
| 07:14.30 | darkbahamut | streuner: :D |
| 07:14.34 | Nyle | MidnighToker: ? |
| 07:14.39 | Nyle | MidnighToker: I know you |
| 07:14.53 | MidnighToker | Nyle: you do? |
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| 07:14.57 | darkbahamut | streuner: sry about that though i didnt know you didnt see it o.o |
| 07:15.10 | MidnighToker | dalias: ubuntu users? |
| 07:15.11 | Nyle | MidnighToker: maybe from #ganja in dal.net irc |
| 07:15.17 | dalias | yes |
| 07:15.34 | MidnighToker | Nyle: i'm a freenode only bunny, someone else i suppose, but might go have a look ;) |
| 07:15.36 | Nyle | MidnighToker: from #drugs or #weed maybe I dunno, someone there had that same nick |
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| 07:15.55 | MidnighToker | dalias: do you guys support them at all? |
| 07:15.55 | Nyle | anyway |
| 07:15.58 | Nyle | im about to toke |
| 07:15.59 | dalias | ubuntu is just the latest fad of boromir syndrome |
| 07:16.09 | Nyle | i got some trees earlier |
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| 07:16.32 | Nyle | I use kubutnu gusty |
| 07:16.38 | iKernel | Anyone know how I can get glibc 2.6 installed under debian? That would be great |
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| 07:16.43 | Nyle | i like it |
| 07:16.46 | iKernel | Nyle, this is not #ubuntu |
| 07:16.53 | Nyle | I am aware of that |
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| 07:17.10 | streuner | you smoke too much crap |
| 07:17.15 | Nyle | streuner: hehe |
| 07:17.21 | Nyle | yes I do |
| 07:17.34 | MidnighToker | dalias: i really dont want to start a distro war (and wasn't expecting dope talk in here) -i'm well, looking at how gentoo was dealing with sabayan users, someone mentioned that #debian wouldn't support ubuntu, and i was just wondering how you guys did deal with it. |
| 07:17.57 | dalias | there's way too much ubuntu support going on in here, imo |
| 07:18.10 | Nyle | there is NO ubuntu support going on in here at all |
| 07:18.11 | dalias | i mean there's #ubuntu for a reason, ffs use it |
| 07:18.13 | MidnighToker | figured I'd ask, i know ubuntu ...."uses" a lot of deb ideas -apt etc. |
| 07:18.14 | Nyle | wtf are you on crack? |
| 07:18.35 | bucky | !ubuntu |
| 07:18.36 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 07:18.46 | dalias | nyle, um, i see plenty of people asking questions who eventually admit they're using ubuntu, and no one stops helping them then... |
| 07:19.08 | Nyle | I don't |
| 07:19.26 | Nyle | I have always seen people shrug the ubuntards off after they discover it |
| 07:19.32 | dalias | :) |
| 07:19.36 | Nyle | unless you have logs and can provide examples of when you saw it |
| 07:19.42 | Nyle | !based on debian |
| 07:19.42 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 07:19.53 | Nyle | !policy |
| 07:19.53 | dpkg | i heard policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 07:19.56 | dondelelcaro | MidnighToker: we basically don't support ubuntu here. Sometimes it happens, but in general, people who want to support ubuntu do it in #ubuntu. |
| 07:19.58 | Nyle | read and have fun |
| 07:20.14 | MidnighToker | dondelelcaro: thanks for the summation. i'm sorry i started all this :S |
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| 07:20.19 | dondelelcaro | MidnighToker: it's fine. |
| 07:20.23 | dalias | midnightoker, heh its okay |
| 07:20.29 | darkbahamut | streuner: i removed a few more with synaptic http://paste.debian.net/42961 |
| 07:20.48 | Nyle | dalias: I also didn't mean to bring crack into this |
| 07:21.04 | Nyle | dalias: but really, as long as I've been here, no one has supported ubuntu |
| 07:21.06 | Nyle | ever |
| 07:21.10 | dalias | ubuntu automatically involves crack |
| 07:21.14 | Nyle | maye at times when I wasn't around in here |
| 07:21.32 | Nyle | but I have 8 computers now |
| 07:21.33 | streuner | darkbahamut: ls -l /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 07:21.35 | Nyle | I use many diff os |
| 07:22.08 | darkbahamut | streuner: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8710 2007-01-12 03:36 /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 07:22.11 | MidnighToker | i used deb years ago, started installing ubuntu a month or two ago and it was kinda nice to come back into contact with apt |
| 07:22.24 | streuner | darkbahamut: just remove that file |
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| 07:23.34 | darkbahamut | streuner: delete it manually? |
| 07:23.36 | MidnighToker | does the latest debian have drivers/support to run in a vmWare virtual machine? |
| 07:23.42 | streuner | darkbahamut: sure |
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| 07:24.46 | shaleh | what happened to the artwiz fonts? |
| 07:25.10 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm whats the command for delete? |
| 07:25.11 | bikedude880 | Well, almost got an Etch server set up, but I'm having trouble with not being able to connect to ssh :/ |
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| 07:25.30 | streuner | darkbahamut: rm /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 07:26.04 | streuner | bikedude880: do you have ssh installed (server)? |
| 07:26.09 | darkbahamut | streuner: k done |
| 07:26.20 | iKernel | Anyone know how I can get glibc 2.6 installed under debian? That would be great |
| 07:26.41 | bikedude880 | streuner: Yeah, not entirely braindead :P |
| 07:27.09 | streuner | darkbahamut: ok, just boot the ubuntu-live CD, use "cat /proc/verson" and tell us after you booted again (Debian) |
| 07:27.34 | darkbahamut | streuner: ok brb |
| 07:27.47 | streuner | bikedude880: what does ps aux tell you about? daemon running or not? |
| 07:28.05 | darkbahamut | streuner: 1 sec writing down |
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| 07:28.27 | bikedude880 | Daemon is running |
| 07:28.35 | streuner | root 2281 0.0 0.0 5312 1016 ? Ss Nov19 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 07:28.37 | bikedude880 | Connectino keeps timing out |
| 07:28.49 | shaleh | iKernel: according to packages.debian.org 2.6 is in lenny |
| 07:29.27 | bikedude880 | root 2369 0;0 1;7 4920 1056 ? Ss 16:24 0:00 /usr/bin/sshd |
| 07:29.30 | amol | hi to all ...how to recover file which is deleted by using rm -rf xyz by using proc or any other way |
| 07:29.46 | streuner | bikedude880: any FW running? |
| 07:30.12 | bucky | is root login for ssh not allowed by default? i don't think so |
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| 07:30.22 | bikedude880 | Yeah, iptables |
| 07:30.34 | Loigor | yeah, that's rock |
| 07:30.35 | bikedude880 | Got rules to allow ssh access |
| 07:30.54 | bucky | bikedude880: ssh 127.0.0.1 on your debian server |
| 07:31.20 | shaleh | amol: it ain't easy, google ext2 and forensic |
| 07:31.26 | bikedude880 | Works fine |
| 07:31.36 | bucky | network problem |
| 07:31.49 | dalias | if the file is still open by some process you can recover it from /proc |
| 07:31.50 | bikedude880 | Minus root access |
| 07:31.55 | dalias | otherwise it's very very difficult |
| 07:32.06 | bucky | prolly not forwarding 22 |
| 07:32.09 | bikedude880 | bucky: apache is accessable though |
| 07:32.15 | bikedude880 | bucky: Forwarding to 2200 |
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| 07:32.29 | bikedude880 | Rerouting to 22 |
| 07:32.30 | shaleh | bikedude880: you can ssh as user but not root? |
| 07:32.37 | shaleh | bikedude880: or no ssh at all? |
| 07:32.55 | bikedude880 | As user, not root |
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| 07:33.02 | shaleh | so it aint network |
| 07:33.12 | bucky | is it debian? |
| 07:33.15 | bikedude880 | Yeah |
| 07:33.18 | shaleh | cd /etc/ssh and look at sshd_config |
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| 07:33.53 | friendlysys | anyone know how to disable safemode from ISPCONFIG???? |
| 07:35.27 | bikedude880 | Only had issues with port 2200 |
| 07:35.33 | bikedude880 | port 22 works fine |
| 07:35.41 | shaleh | most odd |
| 07:35.51 | bikedude880 | I think I know what it is |
| 07:36.04 | bikedude880 | I must have a faulty iptables entry |
| 07:36.08 | bucky | bikedude880: so you changed your listen port to 2200? |
| 07:36.08 | shaleh | must |
| 07:36.15 | bikedude880 | Yeah |
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| 07:36.21 | bucky | hmm.. |
| 07:36.25 | bikedude880 | But I could open it locally |
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| 07:37.05 | axscode | how much, will debian eat in terms of space if im going to use netinstall? |
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| 07:37.29 | axscode | no X |
| 07:37.32 | shaleh | axscode: smaller than 1G, upwards or 3, depends on what you want |
| 07:37.38 | bucky | axscode: about 800M |
| 07:38.14 | streuner | axscode: what kind of HD do you have? |
| 07:38.28 | axscode | i just need, base, without xorg, just web and sshd |
| 07:38.41 | axscode | compact flash of 64MB |
| 07:39.07 | streuner | only 64 MB? thats not enough |
| 07:39.17 | shaleh | axscode: you are better off hand prepping that using an existing debian box and something like debootstrap |
| 07:39.29 | shaleh | you need busybox and friends to get that small |
| 07:39.35 | bikedude880 | axscode: I'm doing a similar install, just not on a CF card |
| 07:39.36 | nvz | CF are cheap now you can get 16gb for around US$100 |
| 07:39.41 | axscode | yes, busybox |
| 07:39.57 | bikedude880 | I'm at 674MB from a clean install |
| 07:39.59 | shaleh | axscode: the standard Debian installer won't get you there |
| 07:40.01 | axscode | nvz, yes i aggree with you. but i have my own goal on 64MB. |
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| 07:40.39 | nvz | I am looking into figuring out what exactly is and isn't my idea of a desktop and trying to build an embedded linux desktop that will boot in like 2sec would be sweet |
| 07:40.42 | axscode | hmmm so anyway i can stripped it off.. |
| 07:40.45 | bikedude880 | That's with apache and mysql |
| 07:40.47 | shaleh | axscode: give this a look though http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 07:40.58 | axscode | yes its for embedded linux.. |
| 07:41.00 | nvz | axscode: all depends on what you are doing I guess |
| 07:41.44 | axscode | right now i have 11mb linux on it. |
| 07:41.53 | streuner | argh, that sound like a new quote |
| 07:41.56 | axscode | using busybox |
| 07:41.58 | streuner | sounds* |
| 07:42.21 | axscode | and i guess the toolchain is debian |
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| 07:42.25 | shaleh | nvz: the eee pc boots in 15 - 30 |
| 07:42.44 | shaleh | nvz: you will be hard pressed to beat that |
| 07:42.52 | axscode | i will look up again emdebian. :) |
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| 07:45.55 | aarcane | Hi |
| 07:46.06 | aarcane | I'm running debian etch, and having issues with alsa sound drivers |
| 07:46.18 | bucky | did you run alsaconf ? |
| 07:46.22 | aarcane | namely my intel ICH8 based intel HDA audio in my inspiron 1520 laptop isn't working. |
| 07:46.33 | aarcane | bucky, I did. it didn't work before, it isn't working after. |
| 07:46.56 | bucky | aarcane: did you run alsamixer and turn up the volume? |
| 07:47.02 | tralala | aarcane, try a newer kernel from backports |
| 07:47.09 | tralala | aarcane, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 07:47.13 | iKernel | shaleh, so we got etch, sid, and lenny is the one after? |
| 07:47.21 | aarcane | bucky, yes |
| 07:47.27 | aarcane | tralala, I did |
| 07:47.28 | iKernel | shaleh, so stable, unstable and testing? |
| 07:47.46 | bucky | aarcane: are your speakers plugged in the right jack |
| 07:47.51 | aarcane | previously alsamixer showed controlls unmuted and with volume up. now it shows nothing. as in errors. |
| 07:48.00 | aarcane | bucky, laptop, speakers are built in. |
| 07:48.05 | bucky | hmm.. |
| 07:48.14 | tralala | aarcane, so you're running .22 now and sound is still off? |
| 07:48.25 | amol | shaleh:i dont like to use any tool for that purpose...like to recover it with command line.. |
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| 07:48.36 | aarcane | tralala, yes, furthermore, I get errors about no cards found. |
| 07:49.00 | darkbahamut | streuner: Linux Version 2.6.15-26-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 4.0.3) (Ubuntu 4.0.3-lubuntu5)) #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 |
| 07:49.00 | tralala | aarcane, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 07:49.07 | tralala | aarcane, have you seen that? ^^ |
| 07:49.18 | iKernel | shaleh, but I want 2.6 in etch. is there anyway of doing so? |
| 07:49.29 | darkbahamut | streuner: sry i had to write that down and my typing is not so great |
| 07:49.42 | tralala | iKernel, etch comes with 2.6 _only_ |
| 07:49.56 | iKernel | tralala, I mean glibc 2.6 |
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| 07:50.13 | streuner | darkbahamut: hm, that make the thing easier then |
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| 07:50.35 | streuner | darkbahamut: ok, just modprobe the OSS module now |
| 07:50.47 | darkbahamut | streuner: o.O |
| 07:50.52 | shaleh | iKernel: etch is 2.3, you want 2.6 you move up to lenny |
| 07:50.57 | simonrvn | snd-pcm-oss |
| 07:51.05 | streuner | no |
| 07:51.09 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm... sure |
| 07:51.10 | streuner | !ac97 |
| 07:51.11 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 07:51.16 | tralala | iKernel, maybe from backports but changing glibc might compromise your stability |
| 07:51.17 | streuner | i810_audio |
| 07:51.22 | darkbahamut | streuner: i just dont know how lol |
| 07:51.27 | iKernel | shaleh, that is rediculous |
| 07:51.29 | simonrvn | well, it's not like you specified which "OSS module" ... |
| 07:51.31 | iKernel | tralala, I'll try that |
| 07:51.43 | streuner | darkbahamut: modprobe i810_audio |
| 07:52.09 | simonrvn | why are you telling him to sue that? |
| 07:52.13 | simonrvn | use* |
| 07:52.32 | shaleh | iKernel: changing libc requires new packages, just grabbing the package from lenny will likely hose your system |
| 07:52.36 | PythonNinja | how do i find out what version of glibc io jhave |
| 07:52.39 | shaleh | iKernel: why do you NEED 2.6? |
| 07:52.40 | simonrvn | i haven't followed, admittedly, so i should probably stay out ;) |
| 07:52.52 | shaleh | PythonNinja: ls /lib/libc* |
| 07:52.57 | streuner | simonrvn: because forums and "usenet" is full of problems with snd-hda-intel, and NO answer to solve that... |
| 07:52.59 | darkbahamut | streuner: FATAL: Module i810_audio not found. |
| 07:53.17 | simonrvn | streuner: sounds like buggy driver, or buggy h/w |
| 07:53.19 | dalias | brightrain:~$ ls /lib/libc* |
| 07:53.20 | dalias | ls: /lib/libc*: No such file or directory |
| 07:53.41 | streuner | simonrvn: sure |
| 07:53.45 | iKernel | shaleh, the newer jogl libraries require glibc 2.6 to run, and a game called wurm online, the test client for it requires the newer jogl libraries |
| 07:53.54 | simonrvn | l /lib/libc* |
| 07:53.55 | simonrvn | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.3M 2007-10-18 12:52 /lib/libc-2.6.1.so* |
| 07:53.59 | simonrvn | etc. |
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| 07:54.17 | simonrvn | dalias: what, bsd? ;p |
| 07:54.26 | dalias | my own nongnu linux |
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| 07:54.29 | iKernel | shaleh, I could modify the JNLP to use the older jogl libraries, but that results in noticable glitches |
| 07:54.41 | simonrvn | dalias: neat |
| 07:54.44 | streuner | darkbahamut: cat /proc/version |
| 07:55.00 | iKernel | shaleh, like, a diagonal line across the screen and spirit guards' modles showing up the wireframes |
| 07:55.15 | simonrvn | dalias: from scratch, or you used something as a base? |
| 07:55.18 | dalias | -rw-r--r-- 1 dalias users 215488 Nov 12 02:07 libc.a |
| 07:55.19 | shaleh | iKernel: fun (-: |
| 07:55.26 | iKernel | shaleh, yeah =P |
| 07:55.36 | shaleh | iKernel: but seriously you want 2.6, you want lenny |
| 07:55.52 | darkbahamut | streuner: Linux version 2.6.22-3-k7 (Debian 2.6.22-5~bpo.1) (norbert@tretkowski.de) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Oct 31 16:52:59 UTC 2007 |
| 07:55.57 | dalias | simonrvn, well nothing in this world is from scratch, but pretty close i suppose |
| 07:56.02 | iKernel | shaleh, but I am in a paradoxical situation, I want 2.6 glibc but I don't want lenny |
| 07:56.11 | streuner | darkbahamut: ok, just use the official kernel (2.6.18) of etch |
| 07:56.14 | dalias | ikernel, what do you need glibc 2.6 for? |
| 07:56.20 | simonrvn | iKernel: you can't have both. deal. |
| 07:56.31 | dalias | do you know a reason?? |
| 07:56.33 | darkbahamut | streuner: k brb |
| 07:56.42 | iKernel | shaleh, just how stable is lenny anyway? I may consider installing lenny if I can do it without comprising my home directory |
| 07:56.54 | iKernel | dalias, I explained it to shaleh . scroll up and read the conversation. |
| 07:57.05 | bucky | what is PythonNinja anyway |
| 07:57.08 | shaleh | iKernel: seems fine, just don't upgrade every day (-: |
| 07:57.13 | PythonNinja | bucky: saw what now? |
| 07:57.16 | PythonNinja | say** |
| 07:57.20 | shaleh | I have been running it on my laptop for about 2 weeks now |
| 07:57.25 | iKernel | shaleh, let me check my partitions |
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| 07:58.02 | iKernel | shaleh, eh, I have one whole / partition for my system, no /home partition |
| 07:58.15 | iKernel | shaleh, I think I might have to back my home dir up some how |
| 07:58.18 | PythonNinja | bucky: PythonNinja is ME :D |
| 07:58.22 | iKernel | hmmm |
| 07:58.23 | streuner | simonrvn: best thing would be, buy second hand a emu10k1 for about 5 bucks, done. |
| 07:58.44 | dalias | /home shouldn't be damaged by upgrading, but if you want to be extra safe backing up is a good idea |
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| 07:59.03 | dalias | btw ikernel i couldn't find where you explained why glibc 2.6 is needed.. |
| 07:59.12 | darkbahamut | streuner: k im on the original |
| 07:59.37 | darkbahamut | streuner: Linux version 2.6.18-5-486 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Tue Oct 2 23:38:54 UTC 2007 |
| 07:59.41 | streuner | darkbahamut: ok, same story? |
| 07:59.42 | iKernel | dalias, because the newer jogl libraries need glibc. I need the newer jogl libraries to be able to run the wurm online test client to its full capabilites. |
| 07:59.47 | iKernel | dalias, happy now? |
| 07:59.50 | darkbahamut | streuner: brb |
| 08:00.06 | iKernel | eh, my home dir is 7.3 gig :-\ |
| 08:00.23 | bucky | that just jogl's the mind |
| 08:01.11 | iKernel | bucky, I could modify the test client JNLP file to download the older jogl libraries. but then I get noticeable annomlies |
| 08:01.20 | bucky | bummer |
| 08:01.21 | iKernel | what to do... |
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| 08:01.41 | darkbahamut | streuner: what do after modprobe i810_audio? |
| 08:01.43 | dalias | ikernel, couldnt you just build them yourself with your current glibc? |
| 08:01.57 | iKernel | shaleh, you seem like a knowedgable person. can I do an apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 08:02.00 | streuner | darkbahamut: listen sound? |
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| 08:02.21 | bucky | iKernel: got room to shrink a partition and dual boot another install? |
| 08:02.27 | bucky | another drive? |
| 08:02.28 | iKernel | dalias, that's a fair point... but I suspect that the newest jogl libraries need glibc 2.6 to be compiled |
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| 08:02.34 | iKernel | bucky, um that's a fair point |
| 08:02.38 | iKernel | I'll check |
| 08:02.38 | darkbahamut | streuner: says no audio output available |
| 08:02.52 | streuner | darkbahamut: what command? |
| 08:03.15 | streuner | xmms? |
| 08:03.25 | darkbahamut | streuner: the media player |
| 08:03.27 | dalias | ikernel, i REALLY doubt that.. |
| 08:03.39 | dalias | a particular glibc versions should never be a compiletime dependency |
| 08:03.40 | shaleh | iKernel: definitely. I did from etch to lenny |
| 08:03.43 | iKernel | well on my 160gb hard drive my partition is 71 gb, with 54 gig available |
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| 08:03.46 | dalias | since any libc, gnu or not, should work fine |
| 08:03.52 | streuner | darkbahamut: just run "xmms" via cli (xterm or such) as root |
| 08:04.11 | shaleh | dalias: that is USUALLY true, but sometimes libs use glibc internals |
| 08:04.15 | dalias | the glibc 2.6 requirement is almost surely an ABI requirement, not an API requirement |
| 08:04.24 | dalias | shaleh, this is true, those are very evil libs.. |
| 08:04.31 | shaleh | dalias: no argument |
| 08:04.43 | dalias | it's microsoft-like practice |
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| 08:04.46 | iKernel | shaleh, well I'd say doing a dist upgrade is a risky business, and not only because of the possiblity of network failure. I think I might try either compiling the jogl libraries or installing lenny |
| 08:04.49 | shaleh | iKernel: dalias has a point, have you tried building against the 2.3 libs? |
| 08:04.51 | dalias | another common case of boromir syndrome |
| 08:04.54 | LinuxHelp | Is JFS like Ext3 in that it only commits a "rename" to disk after it has flushed the file contents of the file in question? |
| 08:04.55 | darkbahamut | streuner: brb bathroom break |
| 08:04.57 | iKernel | shaleh, I'm gonna try that now |
| 08:05.09 | shaleh | iKernel: network failure is not a worry |
| 08:05.09 | dalias | linuxhelp, huh? |
| 08:05.19 | shaleh | iKernel: it will download all of the packages and then upgrade |
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| 08:05.33 | shaleh | iKernel: if there is one thing Debian gets right it is upgrades |
| 08:05.40 | dalias | i don't know of any such [mis]feature in ext3.. |
| 08:06.11 | iKernel | shaleh, well there's other stuff, my nvidia drivers built against my current kernel, my xorg, y'know, stuff like that... but from your point of view, if debian gets upgrading right... |
| 08:06.23 | LinuxHelp | Well, I mean, when you want to write out a config file say, /etc/file. You would first write out /etc/file.new, and then mv /etc/file.new to /etc/file |
| 08:06.25 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: um, why do you care when the results hit the disk? Linux may cache the whole area in memory |
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| 08:06.47 | iKernel | I have met very few people who are as adept at using PC's as I am lol |
| 08:06.50 | shaleh | iKernel: ah, well that would complicate things |
| 08:06.52 | darkbahamut | streuner: whats xmms? |
| 08:07.04 | dalias | linuxhelp, yes, but there's no guarantee that anything is written to disk at any particular time, unless you use data journaling mode which is unusably slow |
| 08:07.10 | dalias | normally you only journal metadata |
| 08:07.14 | iKernel | I think it's like two. or maybe three, I was impressed with a guy at school's knowledge of how to change the dvd region of a dvd drive |
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| 08:07.43 | dalias | changing dvd region is not deep knowledge |
| 08:07.44 | dalias | and not useful |
| 08:07.46 | iKernel | the other two, a kid called adam.... and the other person? an indian linux ambassador working for hp =] |
| 08:07.50 | streuner | !info xmms |
| 08:07.54 | liable | darkbahamut: a simple audio player |
| 08:07.54 | dalias | libdvdread/dvdcss will just crack the keys anyway |
| 08:08.10 | liable | some new ones it doesnt |
| 08:08.19 | darkbahamut | liable: o i dont think i got it |
| 08:08.22 | iKernel | holy shit |
| 08:08.32 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: but seriously, if you have free memory, a lot of blocks live in kernel memory. So assumptions about when data gets written are often false |
| 08:08.40 | iKernel | some crazy f'c'ers ported the quake2 engine from C to java |
| 08:08.45 | streuner | darkbahamut: apt-get install xmms |
| 08:08.45 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: unless a sync is forced assume it has not happened |
| 08:08.46 | dalias | nasty |
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| 08:09.10 | shaleh | iKernel: Java guys only know how to deal with Java (-: |
| 08:09.30 | darkbahamut | streuner: i knew that o.O |
| 08:09.35 | darkbahamut | streuner: that was a test btw |
| 08:09.37 | iKernel | shaleh, I'd say that there were people who were both adept at java and C on the team |
| 08:09.41 | darkbahamut | streuner: you passed :D |
| 08:09.42 | LinuxHelp | Okay, I think what I mean is, is the commit order the same in JFS as ext3. In ext3, the data gets written to disk before the move gets written to disk (which may be after the mv itself) |
| 08:09.46 | shaleh | streuner: I thought xmms was on its way out and everyone was using audacious or someothing? |
| 08:09.46 | darkbahamut | streuner: jk jk |
| 08:09.50 | ameyer | gives a link to a bash quote comparing java to something NSFW |
| 08:09.52 | dalias | quake2 is probably not complex code |
| 08:10.07 | dalias | linuxhelp, that is simply not true |
| 08:10.08 | streuner | shaleh: not here, but /msg dpkg popcon |
| 08:10.13 | dalias | the data is NOT written before the mv happens |
| 08:10.17 | iKernel | shaleh, beacuse how do you port something complex from one language to another without decent knowledge of both langauges? |
| 08:10.21 | dalias | with ext3 |
| 08:10.29 | shaleh | streuner: I am aware that xmms is popular, but that does not mean it won't disappear (-: |
| 08:10.31 | iKernel | dalias, you think quake2 is not complex code? maybe you're right |
| 08:10.35 | dalias | journaling has nothing to do with data in the default settings |
| 08:10.42 | dalias | only metadata |
| 08:10.45 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 2098 kB, Installed size: 5508 kB |
| 08:11.05 | litage|w | i've setup an ssh tunnel with ``ssh -ND 9999 user@domain.com'' and configured Firefox to use 127.0.0.1 port 9999 as a proxy. however, pages fail to load. all that is displayed is a white screen. why might that be? |
| 08:11.12 | dalias | ikernel, i remember rtfs'ing quake 1 and it's pretty trivial code |
| 08:11.22 | shaleh | dalias: mostly right. The journal does keep track of blocks pending to be written |
| 08:11.24 | dalias | (several years before the public release :) |
| 08:11.47 | musikgoat | i'm trying to set static mac address before network becomes active, i read to make a if-pre-up script, any one know what the syntax is to that? |
| 08:11.59 | iKernel | dalias, cool |
| 08:12.07 | streuner | darkbahamut: so does sound work? |
| 08:12.10 | DeZ_666 | can anyone help me figure out why my system keeps seeing new ethernet cards |
| 08:12.16 | darkbahamut | streuner: nope |
| 08:12.16 | dalias | someone, i think it was ddt, got rooted and the source was leaked |
| 08:12.29 | streuner | darkbahamut: what kind of error do you get with xmms? |
| 08:12.38 | darkbahamut | streuner: nothing it just dosent play |
| 08:12.42 | shaleh | musikgoat: you looked at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown? |
| 08:12.54 | dalias | best oldschool leak ever tho was nesticle source |
| 08:12.55 | LinuxHelp | dalias, Well, data=ordered seems to be the default mode, is mv going to be commited to disk after the data has been comitted in this mode? |
| 08:12.55 | musikgoat | shaleh: thanks, i will look there |
| 08:13.06 | streuner | darkbahamut: no output in cli? |
| 08:13.28 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: um, why do you care? |
| 08:13.55 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm.. cli? |
| 08:13.56 | DeZ_666 | hahah |
| 08:14.01 | PythonNinja | ameyer: you're no fun |
| 08:14.03 | simonrvn | !cli |
| 08:14.04 | dpkg | [cli] a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 08:14.05 | PythonNinja | i much prefer |
| 08:14.10 | ameyer | cat /dev/urandom | aplay might work |
| 08:14.12 | LinuxHelp | shaleh, well I want to know whether I can be crash consistent using mv |
| 08:14.16 | PythonNinja | cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp & |
| 08:14.17 | PythonNinja | anywya |
| 08:14.18 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: I have not read thecode, so I do not know for sure. My guess is the write happens before the mv does. |
| 08:14.31 | ameyer | first tests oss, second tests alsa |
| 08:14.39 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: but really, we mere mortals shouldn't care about such details |
| 08:14.46 | ameyer | second might need some syntax work |
| 08:14.59 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: um, why does moving a file crash something? |
| 08:15.10 | simonrvn | mv does cp waits for that to finish, then unlink()s previous |
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| 08:15.42 | LinuxHelp | shaleh, look, the discussions I've read all say that ext3 commits the write before the mv, at least in data=ordered anyway, I'm really asking about JFS here |
| 08:15.42 | dalias | ahhh sorry linuxhelp you're right, ordered is default |
| 08:15.45 | darkbahamut | streuner: sry for all the questions.. all this is new to me |
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| 08:15.59 | fisxoj | is there any other calendar program than evolution that integrates with the gnome clock? |
| 08:16.00 | iKernel | ugh I'm having to download jdk |
| 08:16.01 | dalias | crap, i should fix that on my boxes |
| 08:16.03 | iKernel | 65 meg :-\ |
| 08:16.04 | streuner | darkbahamut: no worries |
| 08:16.06 | LinuxHelp | shaleh, No I mean, say the power goes off |
| 08:16.11 | dalias | to kill the unnecessary disk thrashing |
| 08:16.50 | darkbahamut | streuner: so.. umm... whats this cli? |
| 08:16.54 | iKernel | LinuxHelp, generally if the power goes off too many times, your windows installation will come up with BSOD at boot up but linux won't |
| 08:17.02 | dalias | :P |
| 08:17.12 | DeZ_666 | Hahahaha |
| 08:17.13 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: the journal will finish the pending changes on boot up |
| 08:17.18 | streuner | darkbahamut: you start xmms via xterm or such, we need the output |
| 08:17.26 | LinuxHelp | iKernel, from what I've heard yes, ntfs doesn't neccessarily commit writes before renames |
| 08:17.32 | iKernel | LinuxHelp, mind you, my debian system was playing up for a while, refusing to boot every now and then, with attempt to read beyond end of device errors with my hard drive |
| 08:17.33 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: any changes it no longer has record of get lost |
| 08:18.04 | iKernel | okay my crappy connection at this house is starting to become a joke <_< |
| 08:18.09 | iKernel | guess it could be worse |
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| 08:18.36 | darkbahamut | streuner: ahh i seee now, it says OSS Driver 1.2.10 |
| 08:19.02 | darkbahamut | streuner: [libOSS.so] |
| 08:19.22 | streuner | darkbahamut: fine, and it doesnt play a mp3? |
| 08:19.48 | darkbahamut | streuner: im trying wav.. i dont have mp3 |
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| 08:20.13 | darkbahamut | streuner: not on linux |
| 08:20.33 | streuner | darkbahamut: http://89.220.68.35:8000 give this URL into xmms |
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| 08:21.25 | iKernel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v81T02m0Iis |
| 08:21.46 | darkbahamut | streuner: no sound |
| 08:21.54 | iKernel | darkbahamut, lsof /dev/dsp |
| 08:23.07 | darkbahamut | streuner: streuner COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 08:23.11 | shaleh | LinuxHelp: jfs.sf.net has some nice docs on line. I bet they will answer those deep questions you have |
| 08:23.46 | darkbahamut | streuner: hmm that didnt come out right o.o |
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| 08:24.05 | shaleh | iKernel: BTW, see the topic about etch->lenny |
| 08:24.07 | darkbahamut | streuner: COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 08:24.07 | darkbahamut | xmms 4123 root 8w CHR 14,3 5292 /dev/dsp |
| 08:24.17 | fengor | pastebin? |
| 08:24.32 | streuner | darkbahamut: what does "lsmod" again (paste.debian.net) |
| 08:24.33 | iKernel | darkbahamut, hmm. bring up alsamixer for me |
| 08:24.48 | streuner | darkbahamut: aumix |
| 08:24.55 | shaleh | fengor: a few lines don't kill anyone, let's gripe when he posts ten at a time (-: |
| 08:24.59 | streuner | darkbahamut: apt-get install aumix |
| 08:25.14 | darkbahamut | streuner: 1 sec getting lspci first |
| 08:25.14 | iKernel | streuner, why are you telling him ti install aumix? |
| 08:25.30 | bucky | cause it's an oss app |
| 08:25.31 | streuner | iKernel: he's using OSS ;-) |
| 08:25.35 | fengor | shaleh: but paste sites have the advantage of people NOT interrupting your paste ;) |
| 08:25.47 | iKernel | why the HELL would you want to have an OSS-only system? |
| 08:25.48 | streuner | no, aumix can handle both, ALSA or OSS |
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| 08:25.59 | iKernel | apart from an mp3 player or something |
| 08:26.05 | bucky | with alsa-oss |
| 08:26.06 | shaleh | iKernel: because you are partying like it is 1999? |
| 08:26.08 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/42962 |
| 08:26.08 | streuner | because ALSA doesnt work for him |
| 08:26.21 | iKernel | shaleh, pfft more like 1987 <_< |
| 08:26.22 | darkbahamut | iKernel: i got rid of alsa |
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| 08:26.30 | iKernel | darkbahamut, why? alsa owns ass |
| 08:26.41 | streuner | darkbahamut: lsmod |
| 08:26.44 | streuner | not lspci |
| 08:26.54 | iKernel | darkbahamut, you don't even need a card with hardware mixing for mutliple apps to play sound. as long as they're alsa capable |
| 08:27.10 | iKernel | darkbahamut, and it's just a quick configuration file creation |
| 08:27.22 | streuner | iKernel: Dont make us too confused, we already talk 2 hours... |
| 08:27.30 | darkbahamut | streuner: oops sry about that |
| 08:27.36 | iKernel | darkbahamut, you could probably get ossmix but I think that's crappy |
| 08:27.40 | iKernel | streuner, fine |
| 08:27.44 | iKernel | I'm just saying |
| 08:27.51 | iKernel | use alsa if you can |
| 08:27.57 | iKernel | its name is quite an understatement |
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| 08:28.13 | iKernel | should be more like Awesome Linux Sound Archeticture |
| 08:28.34 | shaleh | well all, time for me to get some shut eye |
| 08:28.34 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/42964 |
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| 08:29.04 | iKernel | shaleh, cya |
| 08:29.08 | streuner | darkbahamut: ALSA modules are still loaded... |
| 08:29.16 | iKernel | lolololol |
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| 08:29.24 | iKernel | dude |
| 08:29.24 | darkbahamut | streuner: thats weird.. i thought i got rid of it |
| 08:29.26 | iKernel | ahahaha |
| 08:29.29 | iKernel | that is so funny |
| 08:29.31 | iKernel | LMFAO |
| 08:29.40 | DeZ_666 | !tar |
| 08:29.40 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 08:29.46 | iKernel | darkbahamut, lol... they're loaded into your memory |
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| 08:29.52 | darkbahamut | streuner: i did all that you said and more |
| 08:29.57 | Guerin | dpkg, tar is also goes with feathers |
| 08:29.57 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 08:30.03 | darkbahamut | iKernel: i took them off and i did a reboot many times |
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| 08:30.17 | iKernel | darkbahamut, ah, well maybe they're still in /lib/modules |
| 08:30.31 | iKernel | weird that they would load without the actual system in place |
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| 08:30.49 | iKernel | might've found a bug, removing alsa should also remove the modules/libraries IMO |
| 08:31.41 | aspWork | hi guys, i am having troubles with my network connection, it used to work, but after this weekend it doesn't. I have a r8169 nic, but it fails to get an address via dhcp. I can ping myself (127.0.0.1) but nothing else works. The same box works as it should under xp, so it cant be a hardware issue. Any suggestions on what might be wrong/what i should do to fix it? |
| 08:31.49 | darkbahamut | iKernel: how do i remove from modules? |
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| 08:32.46 | iKernel | darkbahamut, could question. MIGHT be able to do an rm on them all but that would be VERY messy and you'd still have the entries in the modules.dep and what have you's left |
| 08:33.04 | iKernel | darkbahamut, there might be a command to remove modules from your system, but I'm not sure. and right now, I'm busyt |
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| 08:33.15 | tralala | darkbahamut, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 08:33.18 | aspWork | if i do lsmod i have a 0 after the r8169, does this mean that the module isn't loaded? |
| 08:33.33 | tralala | it means it's not in use |
| 08:33.34 | streuner | no |
| 08:34.14 | streuner | 0 means it depends on no other module |
| 08:34.41 | tralala | 0 means it's in use by 0 processes or whatever |
| 08:34.51 | darkbahamut | streuner: do you know the module name to blacklist? |
| 08:35.02 | aspWork | ok, how do i ensure that the module is loaded? should i be able to ping myself if it isn't? |
| 08:35.15 | streuner | darkbahamut: just start with snd-(modules) |
| 08:35.20 | tralala | if you start a userspace process that makes use of the module the 0 will change to 1 (or more) |
| 08:36.21 | tarzeau | so cool, netsurf (on etch) |
| 08:36.22 | tralala | aspWork, echo modulename >> /etc/modules (as root) |
| 08:36.29 | darkbahamut | streuner: says bash: syntax error near unexpected token `modules' |
| 08:36.40 | streuner | !blacklist |
| 08:36.40 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 08:37.12 | tralala | etch aparently doesn't exist |
| 08:37.18 | LinuxHelp | http://jfs.sourceforge.net/project/pub/jfs.pdf gave me "JFS only logs operations on |
| 08:37.19 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.37 | aspWork | ok, i added it to /etc/modules and then did an depmod -a, still it is listed as 0 and the network isn't working |
| 08:38.22 | tralala | aspWork, maybe you should configure the network interface |
| 08:38.33 | aspWork | tralala, i am using network manager |
| 08:38.45 | aspWork | and its set to dhcp there |
| 08:38.47 | LinuxHelp | So there we go, that pretty much implies that mv might occur before data commit |
| 08:39.20 | bucky | aspWork: what does ifconfig say? is eth0 up |
| 08:39.22 | tralala | aspWork, then maybe that's not the correct module for your nic |
| 08:39.22 | aspWork | would i have eth0 and eth1 even if the module wasn't loaded? |
| 08:39.24 | aspWork | yes |
| 08:39.29 | darkbahamut | streuner: ? |
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| 08:39.36 | aspWork | they are both up (i have two nics) but neither has a ip address |
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| 08:39.49 | tralala | aspWork, try it - modprobe -r modulename |
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| 08:40.12 | aspWork | tralala, returns nothing |
| 08:40.22 | tralala | aspWork, still have the interfaces? |
| 08:40.29 | aspWork | no |
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| 08:40.51 | streuner | darkbahamut: re-read /msg dpkg blacklist and blacklist all of the modules (lsmod) starts with snd- |
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| 08:41.06 | tralala | so the module is the right one but the network manager is not managing the network |
| 08:41.24 | darkbahamut | streuner: oo i see |
| 08:41.30 | aspWork | might be, should i just remove the network manager? these are both wired connections and i really dont need it? |
| 08:41.37 | aspWork | and just confiure them in interfaces? |
| 08:41.45 | tralala | sound good |
| 08:41.47 | tralala | sounds |
| 08:41.49 | aspWork | ill try that |
| 08:42.31 | iKernel | lol debian etch doesn't come pre installed with cvs |
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| 08:43.01 | tralala | it propbably does if you install a development system |
| 08:43.07 | iKernel | trie |
| 08:43.09 | iKernel | true |
| 08:44.06 | aspWork | tralala, still no go |
| 08:44.21 | aspWork | the lights on the back of the nics are off as well, and the port on the switch is black |
| 08:44.34 | tralala | load back the module |
| 08:44.35 | aspWork | so i still somehow thing its driver related |
| 08:44.38 | aspWork | i have |
| 08:44.45 | iKernel | haha I just logged into the java CVS server |
| 08:44.59 | darkbahamut | streuner: it says bash: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local: No such file or directory |
| 08:45.03 | iKernel | man I have never logged into any cvs server non-anonymously before |
| 08:45.27 | tralala | aspWork, hmm... e100? |
| 08:45.36 | aspWork | no, r8196 |
| 08:45.47 | netgear | any 3G pcmcia users here? |
| 08:45.49 | bucky | i hate trying to spell anonymous right and have it come up ****** |
| 08:45.50 | aspWork | and they worked like a charm last week |
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| 08:46.11 | tralala | aspWork, what has changed since? |
| 08:46.44 | aspWork | from what i can remeber, nothing, i might have ran an apt-get upgrade on friday, but i am not sure (seems likely though) |
| 08:46.49 | tralala | bucky, using anonymous as a password is not such a great idea |
| 08:46.56 | iKernel | oh wait |
| 08:46.58 | iKernel | god damn it |
| 08:47.14 | tralala | aspWork, testing/unstable? |
| 08:47.24 | aspWork | testing |
| 08:47.48 | tralala | time for testing and bugreporting then |
| 08:48.12 | aspWork | yeah, thing is i am a bit at a loss what to test |
| 08:48.29 | iKernel | yay |
| 08:48.51 | iKernel | HEE! im downloading jogl cvs =] |
| 08:48.54 | aspWork | is there any way to list what was done in the last apt-get upgrade? |
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| 08:49.18 | iKernel | aspWork, check /var/log see if any apt-get logs are in there |
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| 08:49.44 | streuner | darkbahamut: How about to buy a Soundblaster Live for about 5 bucks? |
| 08:49.53 | tralala | it sounds like a driver issue so installing the latest sid kernel is the way to go |
| 08:50.00 | aspWork | no, no atp-get logs |
| 08:50.03 | darkbahamut | streuner: rly o.O |
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| 08:50.20 | adrakoa | hi |
| 08:50.26 | aspWork | tralala, ok, how do i do that without a net connection? just get the .deb and install it, or? |
| 08:50.30 | darkbahamut | streuner: i didnt think they were that cheap |
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| 08:50.50 | tralala | aspWork, apt-zip |
| 08:50.50 | aspWork | i am running 2.6.22-2-686 |
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| 08:51.20 | tralala | but if you don't have sid sources it won't help |
| 08:51.47 | darkbahamut | streuner: but would be nice if i didnt need one |
| 08:51.52 | aspWork | i dont |
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| 08:52.49 | iKernel | dude |
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| 08:53.02 | iKernel | this is the kind of crap that hard core embedded-system programmers have to do |
| 08:53.05 | iKernel | this is so awesome lol\ |
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| 08:54.02 | tralala | aspWork, try the cards in another pc to rule out a hw problem, then move on to installing things from sid manually |
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| 08:54.29 | aspWork | tralala, they are integrated, and as i said, they work under xp :( |
| 08:55.00 | BBHoss | hi all, anybody know why gpg won't generate a key because of not enough entropy, even when i run find / & |
| 08:56.03 | BBHoss | either that or can someone tell me how to get rsnapshot to backup over rsync to a remote directory |
| 08:56.06 | tralala | aspWork, try an appropriate mailing list for guidance on testing and reporting a bug (perhaps debian-devel) |
| 08:58.02 | aspWork | tralala, ok, thnx |
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| 08:58.53 | BBHoss | nm i got it, just had to cat /dev/urandom to a file for a while |
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| 09:01.06 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone help me get libgtk-x11? |
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| 09:13.54 | fguy | I have areally quick question - what do I type to get my ip address? |
| 09:14.08 | fguy | I know i can use nmap but isn't there areally simple command? |
| 09:14.13 | Bokeh | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 09:14.14 | fengor | ifconfig |
| 09:14.18 | fguy | cheers |
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| 09:14.44 | Bokeh | it'll probably show eth0 and lo, eth0 is your first network card, look for the line called inet addr: |
| 09:15.03 | axscode | ifconfig -a to list all if devices, and if you want to get your internet ip based on your modem try http://www.whatismyip.com |
| 09:15.04 | fengor | or ip addr |
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| 09:15.18 | fguy | Yeah I have to eth cards for some reason in this old comp |
| 09:15.21 | Sebboh | or sit0 for wireless maybe |
| 09:15.34 | Sebboh | oh, old PC. ;) |
| 09:15.36 | tralala | ip a, ip r |
| 09:15.36 | axscode | rausb0 hehe like that wifi |
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| 09:15.52 | axscode | love that tool also.. `ip` |
| 09:15.54 | fengor | ugh dont mention wireless :( never got it to work in debian :( |
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| 09:16.14 | axscode | fengor, whats your wireless card? |
| 09:16.22 | fengor | but since my wlan ap is now fried anyway i can put that down on the list of thigns to do |
| 09:16.41 | tralala | I've five computers at home all happily running debian with wireless |
| 09:16.48 | Sebboh | I got it to work on one PC accidentally, really confused me when the machine grabbed two IPs because I had it using wired network card, too... |
| 09:16.50 | fengor | uhh, dont know from memory i'd have to do lspci at home |
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| 09:16.52 | fengor | at work now ;) |
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| 09:17.23 | fengor | tralala: i know that it can be done ;) |
| 09:17.30 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to blacklist modules? |
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| 09:17.41 | liable | !blacklist |
| 09:17.41 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 09:17.43 | tralala | darkbahamut, on etch? |
| 09:17.46 | fengor | and i'll probably be harassing you all with questions till i got it workign as soon as i got a new voltage unit for my wlan ap ;) |
| 09:17.57 | darkbahamut | tralala: yea |
| 09:17.58 | Sebboh | dpkg tell darkbahamut ... about nothing. :) |
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| 09:18.30 | axscode | 5 computers at home, all in one room? |
| 09:18.40 | tralala | darkbahamut, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 09:19.32 | darkbahamut | tralala: in the file do i just add "blacklist snd_hda_intel" and make a new line for each i wanna blacklist? |
| 09:19.49 | tralala | yes |
| 09:20.03 | darkbahamut | the changes wont work till i reboot will they? |
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| 09:20.40 | tralala | darkbahamut, yes, but you can remove already loaded modules with modprobe -r without rebooting |
| 09:21.03 | darkbahamut | tralala: cool.. will that remove forever? |
| 09:21.16 | tralala | axscode, it's a mix of laptops/desktops in a mix of rooms |
| 09:21.58 | xdr | darkbahamut: you can just load them again with modprobe |
| 09:21.59 | tralala | darkbahamut, modprobe -r + blacklist will |
| 09:22.01 | axscode | oh. hehe.. thought your like making a tools like on a swordfish movie... love them.. wish to have floating LCD monitors |
| 09:22.14 | darkbahamut | tralala: cool |
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| 09:28.40 | darkbahamut | gnite everyone |
| 09:28.56 | darkbahamut | o.O |
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| 09:34.04 | basix | i've installed debian etch 4.0r1 on my system. its a core 2 duo machine ( E6400 with DG965RY motherboard ). i've got a couple of problems. The 2.6.18 kernel doesn't allow any frequency scaling. How do i enable it? i.e. which kernel module should i add? also the CPU fan is spinning like crazy. how do i slow it down?? |
| 09:37.01 | Hammar | basix: the important module is speedstep_centrino |
| 09:37.04 | liable | speedstep-centrino and a governer module iirc |
| 09:37.39 | basix | liable, which governer module? |
| 09:37.56 | toastaky | hi all, i plan to install etch (the CD i already have, then sid with updates) on a dell xps-1330, may i encounter problems with this laptop or it just works fine ? |
| 09:37.58 | liable | basix: ondemand or conservative are my preferences |
| 09:38.26 | basix | Hammar, i had added the speedstep_centrino module but its not scaling |
| 09:38.26 | tralala | toastaky, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 09:38.32 | basix | liable, conservative? |
| 09:38.36 | liable | basix: then you need to tell the kernel to use it |
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| 09:38.54 | Hammar | basix: that's cpufreq_conservative |
| 09:39.20 | Hammar | basix: use cpufreqd, powernowd or the like for scaling... |
| 09:39.39 | basix | Hammar, i've installed cpufreqd as well |
| 09:40.04 | toastaky | tralala: tks |
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| 09:40.06 | basix | Hammar, what about the CPU fan? Its driving me nuts! |
| 09:40.06 | tralala | I like powernowd - it's very simple to configure |
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| 09:40.23 | liable | cpufreqd not needed with ondemand or conservative |
| 09:40.33 | tralala | basix, maybe it will slow down when the frequency goes down |
| 09:40.58 | Hammar | power usage and heat generation on core 2 duo large depends on the frequency |
| 09:41.06 | Hammar | not on the actual load |
| 09:41.33 | Hammar | at least that has been my impression so far |
| 09:41.41 | basix | tralala, it is not. i've modprobed speedstep_centrino and started the cpufreqd. i can see that the frequency has come down to 1.6GHz but its not slowing down! :( |
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| 09:42.23 | tralala | basix, cpufrequtils is also handy |
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| 09:42.58 | tralala | basix, do you have another OS on the PC? |
| 09:43.09 | basix | tralala, yes |
| 09:43.17 | tralala | fans okay there? |
| 09:43.31 | basix | tralala, yep. infact i had F7 on this machine earlier |
| 09:43.34 | basix | fan was okay there too |
| 09:43.56 | tralala | try 2.6.22 from backports |
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| 09:44.08 | tralala | basix, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 09:44.15 | plooper | how do I spam? |
| 09:44.26 | basix | tralala, i did. wont boot up. it keeps on "waiting" for my root fs to mount.. |
| 09:44.33 | basix | tralala, i seriously dont know what the issue is |
| 09:44.37 | tralala | plooper, with a speciall command - /quit |
| 09:44.50 | plooper | I have been asked to send 500k emails |
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| 09:45.07 | plooper | tralala: ah, but they will pay me handsomely and have satisfied me that the emails are qualified. |
| 09:45.17 | plooper | ish |
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| 09:45.50 | fengor | by so many emails i doubt that they are qualified |
| 09:45.52 | wishkah | how can I switch the shell language? e.g. the output of apt (it's german, I want it to be english) |
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| 09:46.06 | tralala | wishkah, LANG=C command |
| 09:46.30 | tralala | to switch it permanently for all commands - dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:46.37 | sysadmin-lb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.45 | tralala | i think... |
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| 09:47.18 | tralala | plooper, qualified or not the question is off-topic |
| 09:47.28 | wishkah | tralala: I think the dpkg-reconfigure is what I want, thank you very much |
| 09:47.42 | wishkah | tralala: nothing's worse than kill telling you it has "getoetet" a process |
| 09:47.52 | plooper | tralala: why exactly, Im looking for an application to send bulk email.... |
| 09:47.56 | tralala | wishkah, hehe :) |
| 09:48.08 | SlayerXP | plooper: do fuck off, there's a good chap. |
| 09:48.10 | tralala | plooper, /msg dpkg search |
| 09:48.29 | tralala | this is how you search for applications in debian |
| 09:48.29 | plooper | ?? wtf |
| 09:48.31 | simonrvn | s/bulk email/spam/ |
| 09:48.47 | basix | tralala, what could be the issue with the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 09:48.49 | tralala | for any other debian realted questions don't hesitate to ask |
| 09:49.12 | plooper | wow, touchy |
| 09:49.15 | tralala | basix, hard to say |
| 09:49.24 | tralala | basix, it boots fine for me |
| 09:49.31 | nkuttler | plooper: get yourself a botnet. makes things easier. |
| 09:49.37 | basix | tralala, i'm using an IDE harddrive.. |
| 09:50.30 | tralala | basix, I suspect the problem comes from the initrd image - hard to debug |
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| 09:50.36 | plooper | maybe if I was selling penile enhancements. seriously, they are all opt in emails for a big fucking rave thing. |
| 09:51.02 | tralala | plooper, still off-topic, on the edge of being reported as a troll |
| 09:51.21 | plooper | ??tart |
| 09:51.22 | SlayerXP | plooper: URL of the website for big fucking rave thing? |
| 09:51.36 | basix | tralala, hmmmm |
| 09:51.45 | simonrvn | plooper: still, giving you the benefit of the doubt, i'd let it go |
| 09:52.02 | plooper | http://www.godskitchen.com/ |
| 09:52.24 | simonrvn | look for a scripting way to do it. |
| 09:52.39 | plooper | write a simple mail script? k, ta |
| 09:52.47 | basix | tralala, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686-bigmem <- looks okay? |
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| 09:54.41 | SlayerXP | plooper: given the alleged client list of the company behind that website, I'm pretty sure you can afford to hire in the needed expertise to handle sending bulk mail in a sensible and responsible manner. |
| 09:55.16 | SlayerXP | writing a "simple mail script" does not come under either of those headings. |
| 09:55.19 | netgear | anyone using orange as a service provider? |
| 09:55.34 | SlayerXP | netgear: for my mobile phone, yes. |
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| 09:56.43 | eth01 | I'm looking to add a new HDD onto my debian etch box? |
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| 09:57.22 | plooper | SlayerXP |
| 09:57.30 | netgear | SlayerXP, you dont know of someone using 3g card of them? |
| 09:57.47 | Sebboh | plooper, you'll need to work directly with an email provider, someone that is trusted. You'll have to utilize modern X-headers, SPF records, etc.. You'll have to do a lot to ensure that the messages don't start getting flagged as spam. I'd start by identifying the domains.. A quick grep/sort/uniq can identify your top five or ten domains.. (yahoo, hotmail, gmail, just guessing..) Contact |
| 09:57.50 | Sebboh | them directly. |
| 09:58.00 | SlayerXP | netgear: I don't |
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| 09:58.15 | SlayerXP | plooper |
| 09:58.25 | netgear | i cant get my 3g card to work under linux |
| 09:58.29 | eth01 | plooper: you thinking of doing this from your home connection? |
| 09:58.50 | plooper | SlayerXP: perhaps the reson I was asking in the debian channell was because I wanted to find out how to send bulk email in a sensible and responsible manner. but in stead got...."(9:48:11 AM) SlayerXP: plooper: do fuck off, there's a good chap." |
| 09:58.57 | plooper | What a prick |
| 09:59.10 | Sebboh | plooper, stfu. |
| 09:59.24 | eth01 | !ops plooper troll |
| 09:59.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eth01 complains about: plooper troll |
| 09:59.30 | Sebboh | little slow there. |
| 10:00.10 | SlayerXP | plooper: incidentally, I run a mail filtering service ( http://www.antibodymx.net/ ), thanks for the advance warning. |
| 10:00.14 | SlayerXP | oh, he left, shame. |
| 10:00.29 | Schalken | oh oh! aptitude segfaulted :O |
| 10:00.58 | tralala | netgear, http://www.timberwolf.ukfsn.org/debian-orange-3g.html (on the first page of google) |
| 10:01.02 | liable | meh, calm down with the ops calls kids, we are overregulated here as it is.. |
| 10:01.43 | eth01 | how am I suppose to know this? :) |
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| 10:02.29 | liable | eth01: you can use ignore, he didnt really abuse anyone. |
| 10:02.29 | tralala | interesting nicknames in the ops list - most of them unheard from me |
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| 10:03.13 | tralala | liable, he was walking on the edge though despite people trying to help him |
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| 10:03.49 | liable | tralala: initially, his comments were way off base, but once the details came out, it seemed not so bad. |
| 10:04.58 | liable | and anyway, there was no need to try and get him banned, rather than try and talk him into doing whatever he needed to do |
| 10:05.20 | eth01 | liable: I didn't know that the "ops calls" had been "overregulated", considering I entered the channel, ermmm... 5 minutes previous to this happening :P |
| 10:05.48 | liable | eth01: keep your ops calls to people that are abusing you then |
| 10:06.34 | liable | ops arent here for people you siagree with |
| 10:06.40 | liable | disagree.. |
| 10:06.53 | tralala | the part where you come here and ask off-topic questions in order to get "payed handsomely" is bad enough |
| 10:06.54 | eth01 | You don't really have to be abused by somebody directly to not report the offended user to ops ... |
| 10:07.01 | eth01 | otherwise thats defeating the object, correct? |
| 10:07.45 | tralala | or rather paid |
| 10:08.24 | tralala | I ruined my own sarcasm |
| 10:09.09 | liable | tralala: indeed, but thats not the point. My troll detecter sounded as soon as he said that, but in the end, maybe he just sucks at getting his question across. maybe he was a troll, i dunno. |
| 10:09.43 | liable | he didnt push his point and he wasnt disruptive to the channel, so i dont see the big deal |
| 10:10.22 | liable | netgear: i believe a few 3g cards are presented as usb by the usb-serial driver in linux |
| 10:10.40 | eth01 | true ^^ |
| 10:10.59 | liable | netgear: my built in sierra card is represented as a usb device, but i need to give the driver options to get it to work |
| 10:12.22 | netgear | liable, ok yours also gets picked up as usb drive |
| 10:12.34 | netgear | no did usb_switch work for you>? |
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| 10:12.41 | liable | not a drive, a usb communication dev |
| 10:12.44 | netgear | and what driver did you use? |
| 10:12.44 | tralala | liable, as I said he was on the edge and although he got some decent piece of advice he didn't show any signs of appreciation |
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| 10:13.21 | eth01 | I'm looking to add a new HDD onto my debian etch box? |
| 10:13.31 | eth01 | how do I go about doing this? |
| 10:13.34 | eth01 | it's not LVM. |
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| 10:13.42 | fengor | well tralala even if someone gets some decent information its kinda hard to get a discussion b ack on the right track when it started badly |
| 10:13.49 | tralala | eth01, you just plug it in and that's all |
| 10:13.59 | fengor | thats universally true for most people in my experience |
| 10:14.15 | liable | tralala: i dont want to really continue this convo, but, as i said, his initiall comment was suspect, and with the replies he got (not surprisingly) it would be hard not to get on the back foot. see his last comment. |
| 10:14.39 | tralala | fengor, true - but when you start with "help me send spam to make big money" you're kind of bound to end up badly |
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| 10:14.44 | fengor | so maybe it's really better to give the benefit of doubt most of the time |
| 10:15.00 | fengor | yeah i know he stepped on my foot with that as well |
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| 10:15.23 | liable | fengor: absolutely, i have seen trolls (labelled) here turn into quite responsive appreciative people with the right help |
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| 10:16.15 | liable | s/help/questions in what they really are trying to do/ |
| 10:16.20 | fengor | although he stepped on it with using the word spam not money. i'm the last to complain if someone is able to earn hi smoney using opensource. |
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| 10:16.37 | liable | yeah |
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| 10:17.54 | tralala | asking others to do you job so you can get paid isn't about opensource at all |
| 10:18.15 | liable | bah, netgear left before i had the chance to answer |
| 10:18.44 | fengor | he didnt ask others to do his job. he asked other how to do his job, small but significant differnce |
| 10:18.52 | tralala | and when you make the impression of being absolutely clueless of the subject it makes you sound like a beggar |
| 10:19.01 | eth01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.14 | fengor | i'm all for trying to learn how to do soemthing (preferrably doing it the right way) when you encounter soemthing new that your job demands |
| 10:19.48 | tralala | fengor, have you read the smart questions howto? |
| 10:20.06 | lbt | eth01: what kind of HDD? sata, pata, usb? |
| 10:20.30 | eth01 | lbt: sata |
| 10:20.36 | fengor | yeah i have, but that doesnt mean everyone who comes here necessarily has ;) so maybe pointing out the smart questins howto would have been a solution to the problem as well? |
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| 10:21.30 | lbt | eth01: once it's plugged in you should be able to use it. I don't use the gui so can't help there. However.. |
| 10:21.32 | sysadmin-lb | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.59 | eth01 | lbt: me neither. |
| 10:22.00 | lbt | it will appear as /dev/sd<something> |
| 10:22.02 | tralala | fengor, well this howto is a bit offensive, but every time somebody asks a stupid question here it sounds to me like "I'm too lazy to educate my self and do the hard job, so do it for me!!!11" |
| 10:22.08 | lbt | you can then use cfdisk to partition it |
| 10:22.13 | liable | sysadmin-lb: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=postfix+disable+NDR&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 10:22.26 | lbt | and then mkfs to make a filesystem (ext3, xfs etc) |
| 10:22.40 | lbt | and then edit /etc/fstab to make it mount all the time |
| 10:22.59 | tralala | fengor, that's not to say that a little more patience isn't helpful |
| 10:23.02 | k31th | wat does fstab actually stand for again ? |
| 10:23.04 | fengor | tralala: well maybe that could be subjective perspective ;p |
| 10:23.10 | lbt | file system table |
| 10:23.14 | k31th | ahhh |
| 10:23.24 | lbt | (blind guess!) |
| 10:23.42 | k31th | i know what it does etc. was not sure on the "tab" part but that makes sense. |
| 10:23.44 | eth01 | ah, ok i see. |
| 10:23.48 | tralala | k31th, does it matter? It's the place you put things when you want them mounted |
| 10:23.53 | eth01 | k31th: lenny is still buggy. |
| 10:23.56 | fengor | i know at least on eperson here who tries to google for his problems, reading the manpages he thinks apprpriate and generally trying to ask specific questions |
| 10:24.02 | k31th | eth01: great :D |
| 10:24.13 | eth01 | your choice heh |
| 10:24.29 | tralala | fengor, and still asks a stupid question in the end? |
| 10:24.33 | k31th | eth01: tbh im just taking a look |
| 10:24.55 | fengor | well maybe i do from time to time, but i try to avoid it. doesnt mean i'm always sucessfull ;) |
| 10:25.01 | k31th | its only my laptop |
| 10:25.20 | eth01 | sorry, tbh? |
| 10:25.30 | k31th | to be honest |
| 10:25.31 | tralala | fengor, okay :) </offtopic> |
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| 10:26.05 | eth01 | :) |
| 10:26.19 | k31th | lol @ the name iceweasel |
| 10:27.54 | k31th | eth01: im sure lenny will be less buggy than say *buntu ? |
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| 10:28.25 | tralala | I wouldn't be so sure |
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| 10:28.55 | tralala | after all testing is just a glofiried unstable |
| 10:29.02 | Ronin | heh tralala |
| 10:29.09 | liable | with missing packages ;) |
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| 10:29.53 | tralala | :) |
| 10:30.08 | aspWork | anyway i can download an up to date lenny/sid iso? seems the updates i did on friday killed my lenny nic module, or something :( |
| 10:30.32 | liable | aspWork: unlikely, did the kernel get upgraded? |
| 10:30.56 | aspWork | no, it didn't, thats the strange part |
| 10:30.57 | eth01 | k31th: pretty much. |
| 10:31.01 | aspWork | and i see the interfaces |
| 10:31.04 | aspWork | and the module loads |
| 10:31.09 | aspWork | yet it doesn't work |
| 10:31.29 | liable | aspWork: did dhclient get upgraded? what exavtly doesnt it do now? |
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| 10:31.44 | tralala | aspWork, are the interfaces up? |
| 10:31.45 | aspWork | it fails to get the dhcp packages |
| 10:31.49 | aspWork | they are up |
| 10:31.55 | aspWork | perhaps i should try going static |
| 10:31.58 | liable | set a manual ip |
| 10:32.02 | tralala | and leds not blinking? |
| 10:32.03 | liable | and route |
| 10:32.09 | aspWork | right, led is dead as well |
| 10:32.58 | tralala | are you sure the same module used to work? Is it possible that another module is loaded now? |
| 10:33.26 | aspWork | i am almost sure its the same module |
| 10:35.25 | tralala | did you have any custom module parameters? |
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| 10:36.33 | axscode | is linux compiled driver needs to be compatible glibc and kernel version? or just kernel alone? |
| 10:36.39 | basix | i've managed to get Etch to boot the bpo 2.6.22-686-bigmem kernel but my CPU fan is still waay too lound.. |
| 10:36.50 | aspWork | tralala, no |
| 10:37.00 | tralala | axscode, kernel and compiler versions |
| 10:37.15 | basix | tralala, interestingly there is no thermal info under /proc/acpi...am i missing something here? |
| 10:37.43 | axscode | compiler version? |
| 10:37.47 | tralala | basix, mobo? |
| 10:37.55 | tralala | axscode, yep, gcc |
| 10:37.59 | aspWork | tried static, same problem |
| 10:38.08 | basix | tralala, DG965RY |
| 10:38.13 | basix | tralala, Intel |
| 10:38.14 | axscode | tralala, i thought thats for compiling only.. im talking about using the existing compiled device driver. |
| 10:38.34 | aspWork | it doesn't react to cable unplug/plug either |
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| 10:38.48 | tralala | axscode, the existing compiled driver was compiled with a compiler, right? |
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| 10:39.17 | tralala | aspWork, given that leds are blank it's obvious that the driver isn't working |
| 10:39.19 | axscode | yes. it is a compiled driver. |
| 10:39.46 | tralala | axscode, was it compiled with the same gcc version as the kernel? |
| 10:39.49 | axscode | and compiled with a compiler. do i need that compiler also? |
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| 10:40.15 | aspWork | ok, so the probably the driver was updated in my last update, is there anyway to get an older driver and install that? |
| 10:40.26 | axscode | oh so i need the compiler also on the box? or just the library? or something |
| 10:40.38 | axscode | coz i found no gcc on the box where the driver is insmod |
| 10:40.41 | tralala | aspWork, the drivers aren't updated separetely - they are part of the kernel |
| 10:41.21 | aspWork | ok, but if the kernel update i should have had two entries in grubs, or? |
| 10:41.26 | tralala | axscode, you don't, you just need to make sure that the "external" module was compiled with the same compiler version |
| 10:41.32 | aspWork | ie, that could hardly have happened without me noticing |
| 10:41.56 | tralala | aspWork, not if it was a security update |
| 10:42.09 | tralala | aspWork, have you restarted the system? |
| 10:42.22 | aspWork | yes, this is my workbox, so its shutdown daily |
| 10:42.35 | aspWork | after the weekend it wouldn't access the net |
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| 10:44.12 | aspWork | i used a custom iso to get lenny to install, from some jp site that had newer kernels for "older" debian versions, so the r8196 support must be quite new |
| 10:44.28 | tralala | aspWork, you need to investigate the problem more deeply, but I can't help you with that. Try debian-devel (mailing list) or a more specialized kernel list (if any) |
| 10:44.29 | aspWork | but i have after that moved to the stock lenny kernel and it worked |
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| 10:44.39 | ma_tex | hello |
| 10:44.59 | aspWork | tralala, ok, thnx again |
| 10:46.26 | tralala | !tell slacker`afk -about away |
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| 10:46.44 | liable | that wasnt really an away |
| 10:46.59 | tralala | no? |
| 10:47.30 | tralala | my bad then |
| 10:47.54 | misreckoning | I want some script to be executed every day at 00:00, and I've added the following line in /etc/crontab 00 0 * * * /home/me/backup.sh but it is not working. Any ideas why? (the computer is always on) |
| 10:48.01 | tralala | I thought `afk means away from keyboard |
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| 10:49.01 | tralala | misreckoning, 1) don't edit crontab manually - use crontab -e; 2) don't use the system crontab if your task can run as a normal user |
| 10:49.15 | liable | tralala: it does, but the irritating thing here is when clients announce away and backs, changing your nich and appending afk isnt the same (though to some, no less annoying ;) |
| 10:49.28 | misreckoning | tralala: ah, ok thanks, I was wondering about that (the second one) |
| 10:50.30 | tralala | liable, some = me |
| 10:50.33 | k31th | humm, my laptop has a ipw2100 wlan card lsmod shows the module ipw2100 loaded. ifconfig only shows my wired interface am i missing some thing? |
| 10:50.57 | SlayerXP | k31th: ifconfig will only show configured interfaces, try "ifconfig -a" |
| 10:50.59 | liable | tralala: shrug, the auto aways was what really sparked that factoid though |
| 10:51.26 | k31th | SlayerXP: thanks |
| 10:51.45 | k31th | SlayerXP: nothing still. |
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| 10:53.58 | aspWork | tralala, trying to get another kernel and install it isn't an option? |
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| 10:55.27 | tralala | aspWork, it is, but given that it is not known what's wrong - it's a lot of effort amounting to shooting in the dark |
| 10:55.35 | aspWork | ok |
| 10:55.48 | aspWork | what is the current lenny kernel? |
| 10:56.09 | tralala | !info linux-image-2.6 lenny |
| 10:56.43 | tralala | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 10:57.13 | axscode | <tralala> axscode, you don't, you just need to make sure that the "external" module was compiled with the same compiler version <-- same compiler version that compiles the kernel? |
| 10:57.25 | tralala | dpkg, what do you know!?! |
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| 10:57.46 | liable | it seems to be lagging bad lately |
| 10:58.16 | axscode | what do you mean.. its already compiled. what to compile there? |
| 10:58.42 | axscode | pleaes enlighten me of the missing links there.. why do i need the compiler if its already compiled? |
| 10:58.54 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.22+10 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 11:00.42 | k31th | is there a gui wireless configuration utill available for debian? |
| 11:00.53 | k31th | (gnome) |
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| 11:01.28 | tralala | axscode, http://rafb.net/p/piIufr56.html |
| 11:01.51 | axscode | thank you.. |
| 11:02.11 | axscode | i will download and read this offline.. im really sturvin bigtime.. thanks for all the help |
| 11:02.26 | tralala | axscode, both the kernel and the module are compiled with gcc-4.1 |
| 11:03.00 | tralala | ir your external module shows a different compiler version it's not guaranteed to work |
| 11:03.06 | axscode | ok.. now i get you... thanks |
| 11:03.17 | axscode | great help.. really big help for me |
| 11:03.18 | axscode | :) |
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| 11:04.30 | tralala | axscode, you're welcome |
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| 11:12.13 | puchu | hi |
| 11:12.26 | puchu | i installed lenny and i cant find update-rc.d |
| 11:12.44 | puchu | where can i find the rc update file? |
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| 11:15.43 | snewp | puchu, try login as root |
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| 11:15.58 | puchu | snewp im root |
| 11:16.18 | puchu | im in the chroot after the debootstrap |
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| 11:16.43 | liable | isnt it in initscripts? |
| 11:16.45 | eth01 | puchu: /etc/ ? |
| 11:17.14 | liable | puchu: sysvc-rc package |
| 11:17.30 | snewp | update-rc: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
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| 11:18.30 | puchu | snewp: thanks |
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| 11:25.37 | Enverex | Hrm, I just thought, what happened to ext4? Wasn't that like, near release a year ago? |
| 11:25.54 | liable | its in the 23 iirc |
| 11:26.15 | liable | or the mm, or something.. its out there somewhere! |
| 11:27.12 | Enverex | Well I know it's in mm, has been for a while, but I mean mainstream... the performance boosts seemed quite nice which is good considering HD seems to be one of the main bottlenecks these days |
| 11:29.36 | simonrvn | there's ext4-dev, but *shrug* |
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| 11:30.35 | tralala | what about reiser4? Is Hans out of jail yet? |
| 11:30.38 | melodosgr | hi guys! ive managed to get my external usb audio device working under debian but id like it to be my primary one so every time that i restart its always there.. any ideas? |
| 11:30.55 | melodosgr | tralala: definitely greek :P |
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| 11:31.11 | Enverex | simonrvn, Exactly, it seemed like it was ready for release a year who so I'm wondering why it's still only -dev |
| 11:31.12 | snewp | how do i install tcl .. it seems it's not working with apt-get |
| 11:31.34 | tralala | snewp, care to define "not working"? |
| 11:31.52 | simonrvn | probably some stuff to work out still, or personal stuff with the dev(s) |
| 11:31.53 | snewp | Package tcl is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:31.53 | snewp | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 11:31.54 | snewp | is only available from another source |
| 11:31.57 | tralala | melodosgr, alsa? |
| 11:32.07 | melodosgr | tralala: yep |
| 11:32.13 | Enverex | Hrm, and VMWare 6 configuration doesn't work... damn |
| 11:32.43 | tralala | alsa modules (used to) have card parameter - use 0 (or 1) for the first card |
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| 11:33.04 | aspWork | tralala, think it would be worth the effort to compile a custom kernel? |
| 11:33.28 | tralala | aspWork, not really, no |
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| 11:33.46 | tralala | the fastest way to get back to business is to just add another nic |
| 11:34.04 | aspWork | darn, if i cant get the nic to work i have to use xp :( on the other hand, that is perhaps a good idea |
| 11:34.09 | aspWork | ie, get another nic |
| 11:34.31 | tralala | it might also be the cheapest way |
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| 11:35.03 | tralala | snewp, apt-cache search -n tcl |
| 11:35.45 | JustSoul2 | "wbinfo -g" and "wbinfo -u" works properly |
| 11:35.46 | JustSoul2 | nsswitch: |
| 11:35.46 | JustSoul2 | passwd: winbind compat |
| 11:35.46 | JustSoul2 | group: winbind compat |
| 11:35.46 | JustSoul2 | but "getent passwd" and "getent group" show only local |
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| 11:36.49 | JustSoul2 | =) Where can I make mistake? |
| 11:36.59 | Enverex | Damn, Virtualbox doesn't let you use physical discs |
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| 11:37.46 | tralala | JustSoul2, you can make mistakes anywhere but you better not paste here |
| 11:38.10 | melodosgr | tralala: where do i change it? |
| 11:38.12 | JustSoul2 | Ok, Where can I take help? |
| 11:38.20 | melodosgr | i mean how do i make it primary? |
| 11:38.32 | tralala | melodosgr, what's the module name? |
| 11:39.03 | melodosgr | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/InstallationOnSlackware#Tascam_US-122_on_Debian_and_Ubuntu |
| 11:39.05 | tralala | JustSoul2, here, while pasting on rafb.net/paste |
| 11:39.53 | melodosgr | im a total noob tralala, ive just followed that wiki |
| 11:39.59 | snewp | tralala, tcl is installed but i have this checking for Tcl library... not found |
| 11:40.29 | simonrvn | snewp: looking for tcl-dev thingy |
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| 11:41.14 | simonrvn | !tell Trazi -about root |
| 11:41.17 | GhostlyDeath | Was testing just updated? |
| 11:41.29 | mooper | hullo, I want to backup my gmail account from time to time. They allow IMAP and pop connections. What would be the best way of transfering/storing? |
| 11:41.31 | snewp | simonrvn, Package tcl-dev is not available |
| 11:42.09 | tralala | melodosgr, do you have other soundcards as well? |
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| 11:42.38 | simonrvn | snewp: not exact name; search for it > apt-cache search tcl dev |
| 11:43.04 | melodosgr | tralala: for some funny reason it shows up 2 other cards which seem to be onboard.. via and realtek |
| 11:43.08 | fengor | tcl-dev - The Tool Command Language (default version) - development files |
| 11:43.46 | melodosgr | tralala: my tascam however doesnt show up on the volume control panel |
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| 11:44.22 | bliss_ | can someone explain this to me please "mixmaster user (uid:1000 gid:1000)" what is uid and gid should they be diffrent values? |
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| 11:45.00 | melodosgr | tralala: the soundcard works great but i have to tell most of the programs to use it.. yesterday however it worked great although the via soundcard was selected on the volume preferences |
| 11:45.06 | somian | Greetings |
| 11:45.16 | snewp | perfect, thanks simonrvn |
| 11:46.02 | somian | Anyone familiar with the alioth server |
| 11:46.07 | tralala | melodosgr, is it working at all? does it show up in alsamixer -c 1 (or 2)? |
| 11:46.31 | tralala | ah, okay - I see |
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| 11:46.54 | melodosgr | tralala: no it doesnt show up at all on alsa |
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| 11:47.23 | Miranda | what do the bots in #debian-bots do? |
| 11:47.36 | Aciid | hey my apache says Starting web server (apache2)...apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for debian-os |
| 11:47.40 | Aciid | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 11:47.45 | Aciid | what can i do :S |
| 11:47.48 | bliss_ | what is the command to get the gid or uid value |
| 11:47.52 | tralala | melodosgr, eh? |
| 11:47.54 | Aciid | ps ux |
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| 11:48.22 | JustSoul2 | tralala like that http://rafb.net/p/9IwALK49.html ? |
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| 11:49.19 | somian | I'm curious about the apparently-abandoned project (there) named "module-assistant" (which I assume people know *isn't* abandoned): http://alioth.debian.org/projects/modass/ |
| 11:49.20 | Miranda | how do the bots work in #debian-bots? |
| 11:49.29 | somian | Aciid: its a normal message |
| 11:49.42 | Aciid | somian: my apache wont start |
| 11:49.43 | Aciid | it fails |
| 11:49.53 | Aciid | :S |
| 11:49.55 | somian | Strange. |
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| 11:50.59 | Miranda | how many bots are in here? |
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| 11:51.13 | susanne-- | i'm not a bot. at least not often. |
| 11:51.19 | tralala | melodosgr, create /etc/modprobe.d/sound with similar contents http://rafb.net/p/FBnxgR46.html |
| 11:51.20 | Bluechip | Hi, apt-get no longer functions on my machine [nor do I know who, when or how it was broken] ...the error is apt-get: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4' not found (required by apt-get) |
| 11:51.20 | Bluechip | apt-get: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3' not found (required by apt-get) |
| 11:51.20 | Bluechip | ...any help greatfully appreciated :) |
| 11:51.54 | susanne-- | dpkg tell bluechip about flood |
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| 11:52.27 | cusco | Bluechip: perhaps aptitude? |
| 11:52.37 | cusco | susanne--: that was three lines.. its ok |
| 11:52.46 | GhostlyDeath | What does beagled do? |
| 11:52.50 | mooper | susanne--: thats hardly flood |
| 11:52.56 | tralala | JustSoul2, like that. You can actually ask the question here and use the paste only for the bulk data |
| 11:52.58 | cusco | GhostlyDeath: indexes your filsystem |
| 11:53.02 | Miranda | is susanne-- a person or a bot? |
| 11:53.03 | Bluechip | cusco: sadly - same errors ...as also "man" and many other critical apps :/ |
| 11:53.12 | GhostlyDeath | cusco: There any way to disable indexing? |
| 11:53.16 | cusco | jee |
| 11:53.17 | susanne-- | the dpkg keyword says three lines will get you insulted. rather than insult him, i used the bot. |
| 11:53.23 | cusco | GhostlyDeath: stop beagled? |
| 11:53.31 | susanne-- | next time i'll insult him instead. |
| 11:53.31 | Schalken | can anybody recommend a web-based administration GUI for a home server? |
| 11:53.52 | Bluechip | Schalken: webmin's pretty good |
| 11:53.57 | JustSoul2 | ok, help me with http://rafb.net/p/9IwALK49.html |
| 11:54.00 | eth01 | !webmin |
| 11:54.01 | mooper | Schalken: webmin isnt pretty good |
| 11:54.01 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 11:54.20 | eth01 | do *not* use webmin. |
| 11:54.27 | mooper | but for a home server |
| 11:54.33 | mooper | it would be okay |
| 11:54.34 | Bluechip | I could retract my last comment - lol |
| 11:54.39 | eth01 | ... |
| 11:54.40 | Miranda | eth01: can you help me in #debian-bots |
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| 11:54.43 | eth01 | my point still stands. |
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| 11:54.45 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 11:54.46 | Aciid | webmin ruined my apache |
| 11:54.49 | tralala | webmin is fine for a home server |
| 11:54.54 | mooper | as long as it was behind a firewall |
| 11:54.56 | GhostlyDeath | webmin ate my dog |
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| 11:54.59 | _Eeyore_ | a friend of mine has been lost..and i want his list to contact his family..i dont have their numbers so the only way is via mail...is there any way to have his mail list? |
| 11:55.03 | eth01 | how about this, if you use webmin you are totally ignorant. |
| 11:55.03 | sep | webmin is fine fro ruining stuff |
| 11:55.04 | mooper | webmin screwed my sister |
| 11:55.10 | susanne-- | i wouldn't ever suggest webmin installed on anything but a squeaky-clean brand new server. |
| 11:55.15 | Schalken | eth01: what do you recommend then? |
| 11:55.21 | melodosgr | tralala: theres no sound file inside modprobe.d :( |
| 11:55.32 | GhostlyDeath | _Eeyore_: That's hacking!! |
| 11:55.50 | eth01 | Schalken: the good old ye' command line. |
| 11:55.57 | tralala | melodosgr, create it. And customize the contents according to your needs. Hint: pass index=0 option to your usb card driver |
| 11:56.00 | _Eeyore_ | so is there any solustion? |
| 11:56.00 | gypsymauro | I'm searching an inventory for my clients/server I need a windows/linux little application that sends to a server info about cpu/mem/disks/ipaddress/machinename ecc to a server , there is something opensource that does this? |
| 11:56.06 | cusco | Bluechip: perhaps you can download "libstdc++6" from packages.debian.org and install it with dpkg |
| 11:56.17 | Aciid | when i installed webmin , at the same time i had fancy idea to "cat /dev/random > /dev/audio" |
| 11:56.39 | mooper | Aciid, what does that do? |
| 11:56.40 | Schalken | eth01: lol im not installing putty and SSHing into the box to do everything. |
| 11:56.45 | Bluechip | cusco ...aha! good idea ...and dpkg actually seems to work! :) |
| 11:57.08 | cusco | cool |
| 11:57.17 | Aciid | mooper: cat's random and tunnels it to /dev/audio which outputs the content of /dev/random for infinity |
| 11:57.23 | Aciid | :D |
| 11:57.30 | mooper | must sound great |
| 11:57.35 | Aciid | great when having some drunken people in your room passed out |
| 11:57.41 | Aciid | from ssh |
| 11:57.41 | Aciid | :D |
| 11:57.46 | mooper | heh |
| 11:57.48 | tralala | Aciid, a britney spears fan? |
| 11:58.00 | Aciid | tralala: :D |
| 11:58.03 | Schalken | eth01: surely there is a web administration gui that is more widely accepted? |
| 11:58.06 | eth01 | youtube search britney spears fan, actually. |
| 11:58.07 | fengor | Schalken: your loss, nothing beats command line ;) |
| 11:58.08 | mooper | Aciid: you did it now, I have to try it |
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| 11:58.15 | eth01 | Schalken: apart from directadmin, nothing else. |
| 11:58.20 | Aciid | mooper: be ready for ctrl+c |
| 11:58.22 | mooper | Schalken: get windwse |
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| 11:58.23 | Aciid | its kinda loud |
| 11:58.25 | cusco | Schalken: we like comand line |
| 11:58.29 | mooper | windose |
| 11:58.34 | cusco | Schalken: but I supose there is ispconfig |
| 11:58.40 | eth01 | M$ Windows. |
| 11:58.41 | susanne-- | well plesk and cpanel as well, both of which are commercial and crappy and won't run on debian |
| 11:58.43 | eth01 | sucky xp professional. |
| 11:58.44 | Aciid | winblows |
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| 11:58.59 | JustSoul2 | Help me with http://rafb.net/p/9IwALK49.html |
| 11:59.05 | eth01 | directadmin beats plesk and cpanel that's only because i've tried both, and know. |
| 11:59.10 | Schalken | eth01: DirectAdmin is proprietary. |
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| 11:59.31 | fengor | and webmin aint maintained |
| 11:59.32 | cusco | thaths why there is ISPconfig (bsd licence) |
| 11:59.34 | sep | Schalken, web administration is usualy only successfull in confusing the administrator, and allowing people that should not be allowed to admina a machine, to admin a machine poorly. if you want to admin something poorly use something else. |
| 12:00.07 | mooper | Aciid: :( device or resource busy. |
| 12:00.14 | Aciid | :O |
| 12:00.21 | Aciid | try as root |
| 12:00.35 | Schalken | sep: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:00.40 | somian | Let me ask a different, more direct question, then. Does someone reading now (or soon) know where module-assistant (the Debian tool) is kept under publicly accessible ro version control? |
| 12:00.45 | melodosgr | tralala: do i have to restart after ? |
| 12:00.49 | mooper | Aciid: I did, same |
| 12:00.53 | sep | Schalken, exceptions are made for very spesific tasks, where the tool is limited to what damage it can couse. and they are often built inhouse, so you can make your own |
| 12:00.53 | susanne-- | Schalken, over the long term you will learn more by setting up samba and sharing your /etc directory unauthenticated with world write privs over the internet. |
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| 12:01.30 | tralala | melodosgr, no, you can actually unload and reload the modules manually instead |
| 12:01.31 | cusco | susanne--: thats harsh |
| 12:01.43 | cusco | he has the frredom to try stuff let him... |
| 12:01.51 | susanne-- | if you're trying to run a server, linux isn't for the faint of heart, sorry. |
| 12:01.57 | cusco | cheap comes expensive at times like this |
| 12:01.58 | eth01 | most people in this channel use command-line. |
| 12:02.00 | Schalken | susanne--: if your trying to be sarcastic or insulting then i dont get it. |
| 12:02.07 | mooper | susanne--: heh, we are warriors |
| 12:02.18 | melodosgr | tralala: how? |
| 12:02.26 | melodosgr | tralala: sry to be a pain :P |
| 12:02.29 | tralala | melodosgr, man modprobe |
| 12:02.37 | melodosgr | :( |
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| 12:02.59 | mooper | Schalken: Look, your trying to ask. How can I make this difficult task that we've all spent too long learning easy. there is no answer to in. If you want a GUI, get a windows server. it will work. |
| 12:03.06 | eth01 | Schalken: you're, not your. |
| 12:03.10 | susanne-- | Schalken: that's my point. if you're wanting a web administration tool that will comprehensively run your server, my suggestion is that you'd be better served by learning to run your server properly. web administration tools are only really useful when you already know how to make your services run by understanding their underlying operation. that way you can debug or recover when the web tool goes ape-shit on you. |
| 12:03.15 | tralala | melodosgr, I rather agree with susanne-- that linux isn't for the faint of heart |
| 12:03.40 | Aciid | mooper: strange it worked for me :/ |
| 12:03.47 | Aciid | it will :D |
| 12:03.47 | cusco | Schalken: we're just trying to tell you that these web interfaces are poor solutions compared with the command line interface. Nevertheless they are still usable. You should try as manny as you wich until you feel confortable. |
| 12:03.52 | eth01 | Schalken: code a PHP app, using shell_exec() - simple, but effective. |
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| 12:04.00 | somian | In that vein, am I the *only* person alive who thinks that if you can't learn from reading man pages, maybe you don't belong in the computer technology field? |
| 12:04.16 | melodosgr | tralala: yea but im a total noob just want my system to work properly first and then i can learn everything bout linux |
| 12:04.20 | somian | It's just something I've been meditating on. |
| 12:04.23 | mooper | somian: what do you think windows is for :) |
| 12:04.26 | eth01 | thats what I did for lighttpd. |
| 12:04.34 | cusco | Schalken: you should also know that exploits for these are always comming up on milworm or wherever... and people might breach their way into your computer |
| 12:04.40 | somian | mooper: spreading viruses and malware? |
| 12:04.43 | mooper | eth01: your a hero |
| 12:04.47 | melodosgr | tralala: i know im asking much but can u please tell me how to do it? |
| 12:04.48 | Schalken | cusco: what makes you think that i am less likely to break my system with the use of the CLI than webmin is? |
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| 12:04.57 | somian | mooper: ;-P |
| 12:04.59 | mooper | somian: and giving an army of pointless idots a job! |
| 12:05.00 | tralala | melodosgr, I'm a linux user for many years and my box still isn't working properly... |
| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '^fsck.hfsplus' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.12 | eth01 | mooper: why a hero? |
| 12:05.39 | Schalken | cusco: or are you of the belief that nobody should be in control of a system without full knowledge of its technicalities? |
| 12:05.43 | cusco | Schalken: because command line interface is much wider... if you break it you can learn to fix it, the same cannot always happen with a web interface |
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| 12:06.08 | tralala | melodosgr, modprobe -r modulename1 modulename2 modulname3 ...; modprobe modulename1 modulename2 modulename3 ... |
| 12:06.09 | Aciid | "they are like hackers on steroids" |
| 12:06.10 | Schalken | cusco: hmm, i suppose thats understandable. |
| 12:06.12 | Aciid | "they are anonymous" |
| 12:06.13 | mooper | Schalken: I used to use a webmin, it broke everything and was a bar to my education. |
| 12:06.16 | cusco | woa I didn't see that coming |
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| 12:06.44 | melodosgr | tralala: whats the module name though? |
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| 12:06.59 | cusco | Schalken: I think you should go and try a linux distribution like "clark connect" |
| 12:07.08 | cusco | it brings you a web interface by default |
| 12:07.10 | Schalken | cusco: have you tried YaST? |
| 12:07.18 | sep | Schalken, you can driev a car without beeing a mechanic, but you should be a mechanic in order to do maintainance. |
| 12:07.32 | tralala | I used to use webmin on my home pc to configure samba. It never broke anything, I simply stopped using samba. If I need to configure it again I might use webmin again. |
| 12:07.34 | cusco | Schalken: no its not made for debian |
| 12:07.34 | Schalken | cusco: clark connect sounds like it came out of a cereal box. |
| 12:07.51 | tralala | melodosgr, lsmod | grep snd- |
| 12:08.01 | sep | tralala, samba allready have swat thop |
| 12:08.26 | eth01 | webmin, ispconfig, vhxp, cpanel, directadmin, plesk, ravencore, h-sphere, hypervm, cubepanel etc |
| 12:08.28 | melodosgr | tralala: i dont get it sorry |
| 12:08.29 | sep | altho i can't tell if it's ok or not since i havent used it |
| 12:08.36 | tralala | oh, right - maybe that's why I stopped using webmin |
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| 12:09.01 | Schalken | cusco: i know its made for suse. i was just asking, cuz i am pretty sure it provides the same kind of abstraction as a web interface would, but its used on plenty of real servers. |
| 12:09.07 | tralala | melodosgr, this command will give you the sound modules |
| 12:09.30 | melodosgr | tralala: its returning nothing.. |
| 12:09.39 | somian | melodosgr: I found the answer for you!: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id271076 <-- there |
| 12:09.45 | Schalken | cusco: and by real servers i mean ones that people are payed a lot of money to operate, etc. |
| 12:09.50 | somian | Oh man am i good. |
| 12:09.53 | fengor | Schalken: i used to use suse in my beginning days of linux. Yast was one of the reasons why i went on the search for another distribution |
| 12:10.17 | eth01 | i prefer editing the actual .config's :p |
| 12:10.28 | somian | "Don't waste your time, or ours, on crude primate politics." |
| 12:10.35 | melodosgr | somian: eleos |
| 12:10.40 | tralala | melodosgr, you have a long road ahead. You can start it now and in the mean time just use windows to get your job done. |
| 12:10.41 | somian | Man, that's too the point, isn't it. |
| 12:10.48 | somian | to* the point. |
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| 12:10.54 | JustSoul2 | Help me with http://rafb.net/p/9IwALK49.html |
| 12:11.02 | Schalken | fengor: tbh, i dont like yast either. not because it is fundamentally flawed by trying to provide a GUI for system administration, but because it simple isnt put together very well. |
| 12:11.06 | GhostlyDeath_ | Tip #1: Use a password that is the same as the Username (example: User: "someone", Pass: "someone"). Your system will also be more secure if the root password matches your user password. |
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| 12:11.12 | melodosgr | somian: some people help some dont.. its too simple |
| 12:11.27 | Schalken | i am just wondering if something like yast suffers from the same problems that are claimed of webmin. |
| 12:11.40 | elnovatillo | hello, help!!, how do i download pictures from my canon poweshot camera, im using KDE? |
| 12:11.41 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath_: excellent way to get r00ted ;) |
| 12:11.41 | susanne-- | what kind of access to a router do i need to have to run rtg on my server? or can i run rtg and monitor eth0 with it? |
| 12:11.44 | fengor | isnt put together very well is still a relatively nice term for that piec of shi^H^Hoftware |
| 12:11.59 | melodosgr | tralala: thanks anyway :) |
| 12:11.59 | simonrvn | forgot a ^h |
| 12:12.02 | Schalken | elnovatillo: try "digikam" |
| 12:12.06 | somian | Ah well, more filtering of #debian accomplished, more questions on actual interesting questions unanswered, another typical day. |
| 12:12.17 | somian | tc all |
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| 12:12.39 | fengor | but it seems to be a common problem all admin software shares. the reason for this is quite simple: you cant consider every possible case in your gui. most admin software will be designed for some standard cases |
| 12:12.50 | Schalken | elnovatillo: just be prepared to cope with the possability that your camera is completely incompatible with linux. |
| 12:12.54 | fengor | go away from them and your done... so its back to the command lien after all |
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| 12:13.00 | GhostlyDeath_ | Or set root's password to "beer" and you'd get root/beer |
| 12:13.03 | fengor | line |
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| 12:13.13 | fengor | sorry my typing is very bad today |
| 12:13.30 | sep | tralala, altho i dont see the reason for advocating windows. it's a lot harder to admin windows in a good way. since it takes disipline and a solid precense of mind to not admin windows in a bad way. since for some reason it's so very easy to admin windows poorly most people imagine they are good at it, while they go clickity clikc all over the desktop. sysadmins that can admin windows in a good way should get quite some respect imho |
| 12:13.55 | susanne-- | is there a bot package search thing? what's the keyword? |
| 12:14.08 | simonrvn | find |
| 12:14.15 | snewp | how can have a userdir module in my apache ? |
| 12:14.25 | GhostlyDeath_ | Most security lies in the user |
| 12:14.26 | simonrvn | enable it |
| 12:14.28 | tralala | sep, advertising windows was for another case |
| 12:14.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | There's the machine code aspect and the human element |
| 12:15.04 | snewp | simonrvn, how ? i find the module or in apache2.conf |
| 12:15.06 | simonrvn | GhostlyDeath_: yes |
| 12:15.11 | snewp | can't* |
| 12:15.13 | simonrvn | snewp: a2enmod |
| 12:15.21 | elnovatillo | dammit , so im FORCED to use Windows Vista instead of my Debian Lenny, just becouse my super latest camera doesnt work with linux? |
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| 12:15.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | Vista is good yknow |
| 12:15.42 | snewp | cool .. thanks |
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| 12:15.55 | sep | elnovatillo, i'd return the camera. (well i'd buy compatible hardware) |
| 12:16.04 | Schalken | cusco: sep: mooper: eth01: anyway, i will use shh to administer my home server, it will probably help both me and the server when i know exactly whats going on in the config files, anyway. |
| 12:16.10 | susanne-- | elnovatillo: vmware. what's wrong with the camera? you can't just take the card out? |
| 12:16.11 | incorrect | GhostlyDeath_, yes its the best OS since VMS |
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| 12:16.33 | elnovatillo | susanne--: i dont have card reader, just usb wire |
| 12:16.37 | GhostlyDeath_ | incorrect: You even know what's going on? |
| 12:16.57 | eth01 | GhostlyDeath_: please revert that comment,... o-0 |
| 12:17.01 | xdr | isn't it possible to set up a livecd that has tftp on it + send all config files etc and then just reboot the compu |
| 12:17.05 | Schalken | i just wish aptitude wouldnt segfault. |
| 12:17.06 | CaT[tm] | I don't think a ghostly death recommending vista is all that, you know, convincing :) |
| 12:17.06 | mooper | Schalken: to be fair, use this channel. everyone is very good and very helpfull as long as you show the effort. Trust me its well worth it. |
| 12:17.13 | tralala | elnovatillo, next time research before you buy and don't buy from vendors who don't care about linux compatibility |
| 12:17.19 | susanne-- | elnovatillo: does it have a removable card? |
| 12:17.26 | elnovatillo | sep: ok ill return the camera and get a 2 megapixel junk |
| 12:17.28 | incorrect | does anyone know of a desktop graph drawing tool, could drive from an rrd db? |
| 12:17.37 | mooper | Schalken: you learn to manipulate your data which is an incredible skill |
| 12:17.41 | susanne-- | elnovatillo: you may prefer to spend $10 on a usb card reader rather than hassle endlessly with the camera. |
| 12:17.41 | elnovatillo | susanne--: yeah 16gb SDHC card |
| 12:18.08 | GhostlyDeath_ | But as I was saying before, you could have secure machine code (protected against buffer overflows) and you can have dumb users who know nothing |
| 12:18.18 | liable | elnovatillo: you tried gphoto2 ? |
| 12:18.32 | Schalken | mooper: yep. first i need to figure out how to enable mod_userdir in apache. |
| 12:19.10 | elnovatillo | liable: no, does it comes in deb packs? |
| 12:19.39 | elnovatillo | wow Digikam rocks |
| 12:19.53 | elnovatillo | supports powershot 570is |
| 12:20.59 | Schalken | elnovatillo: hmm, thats a big SD card. |
| 12:21.04 | eth01 | Schalken: apache module enable. 1 second. |
| 12:21.28 | eth01 | Schalken: a2enmod module_name |
| 12:21.37 | elnovatillo | Schalken: yes, im going to film some home made midget pr0n films |
| 12:21.38 | susanne-- | get a usb card reader. it's way less hassle. mounts like a drive. |
| 12:21.45 | eth01 | Schalken: a2enmod mod_userdir |
| 12:21.55 | Schalken | elnovatillo: ... |
| 12:22.07 | mooper | Schalken: a2enmod user_dir |
| 12:22.07 | Schalken | eth01: hmm, no such module. |
| 12:22.13 | Schalken | mooper: ah, ty. |
| 12:22.25 | Schalken | mooper: wait, nope. |
| 12:22.54 | Schalken | does a2enmod just enable modules temporarily, or does it actually write them to the config? |
| 12:23.03 | sep | Schalken, man a2enmod |
| 12:23.05 | mooper | Schalken: for apache help, try #apache, though theyre not too clued up on the peculiarities of debian like a2enmod |
| 12:23.12 | sep | it spesificaly creates a symlnk |
| 12:23.13 | mooper | Schalken: perm |
| 12:23.44 | GhostlyDeath_ | symlinks > multiple copies of the same file > hardlinks |
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| 12:25.11 | sztamas | Hi! Does anyone know why epoch (in version numbers) isn't listed in the output of dpkg -l |
| 12:25.16 | sztamas | ? |
| 12:25.36 | Schalken | "a2enmod userdir" worked, and it said to run "/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload" to enable it, but doing that returns "Reloading web server config: apache2apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for tuxmachine" (tuxmachine being my hostname) |
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| 12:26.20 | Schalken | and what did a2enmod just do to my config files? |
| 12:26.29 | eth01 | Schalken: stop apache2 (/etc/init.d/apache2 stop) and check your apache2.conf (/etc/apache2/apache2.conf) |
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| 12:26.50 | eth01 | I think the hostname is set, differently... not sure :P |
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| 12:27.39 | Bluechip | cusco: Sorry that took so long - life got in the way ...Thanks for your tip, it worked 101% (the extra 1% is for "oh my god was it really THAT simple" :) ) |
| 12:27.39 | Schalken | eth01: okay, errr, what am i checking? |
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| 12:28.05 | eth01 | Schalken: stop apache2 (apache2ctl stop) |
| 12:28.30 | Schalken | eth01: i already did /etc/init.d/apache2 stop if thats what you mean |
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| 12:29.20 | yalu | hello! I have a problem. I want to reach a certain well-known web/cvs server but I can't, apparently because it is exactly 31 hops away from my site. I looked at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_default_ttl but it was allready set to 64... what else can I do? |
| 12:29.38 | eth01 | Schalken: yes, ok, so it's stopped. open up apache2.conf (etc/apache2/apache2.conf) and scroll down to the hostname lookups and copy/paste the line, also, what does hostname and /etc/hostname return? (paste also) |
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| 12:30.37 | Schalken | eth01: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf has a line "HostnameLookups Off" if thats what your looking for. |
| 12:31.10 | eth01 | Schalken: right.. |
| 12:31.33 | aarcane | Hi, I've set up debian tonight, and I've got everything except 1 thing working. I need to get playback of my DVDs in totem working. |
| 12:31.47 | Schalken | eth01: commands "hostname" and "cat /etc/hostname" both return "tuxmachine" |
| 12:31.58 | aarcane | it was working in etch previously, but since I upgraded to sid to fix several other issues, it's stopped working, even though the package libdvdcss2 is installed. |
| 12:32.13 | aarcane | totem just refuses to play the dvd. what packages does totem need installed to work properly again? |
| 12:32.17 | eth01 | Schalken: from what I see, the hostnames all seem to be setup correctly.. |
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| 12:32.58 | tralala | aarcane, as you're about to discover upgrading stable to unstable doesn't fix issues - it creates them |
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| 12:33.27 | Schalken | eth01: what i disable the userdir module? |
| 12:33.33 | Schalken | (however thats done) |
| 12:33.44 | eth01 | Schalken: 1 sec. |
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| 12:35.25 | Trazi | Hi |
| 12:35.42 | Schalken | eth01: from what ive just gathered, modules are enabled/disabled by copying their corresponding files over from /etc/apache2/mods-available to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled, is it likely thats exactly what a2enmod has done? |
| 12:36.02 | eth01 | disable the module. |
| 12:36.02 | snewp | correct |
| 12:36.10 | yalu | and what does the "!C" mean in 30 cvs.sourceforge.net (66.35.250.207) 172.446 ms !C 172.088 ms !C 170.953 ms !C , please |
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| 12:36.40 | Schalken | okay, so i will "rm /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.*" |
| 12:36.46 | eth01 | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_userdir.html |
| 12:37.06 | aarcane | okay, that was odd |
| 12:37.19 | aarcane | I just closed my laptop and it was hibernated or something. |
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| 12:38.32 | Schalken | eth01: removed module from modules-enabled, the error remains when i start up apache. |
| 12:38.41 | aarcane | anyway, what package contains the plugins for totem to play a basic DVD which I have just purchased? |
| 12:38.44 | eth01 | pastebin the error, Schalken. |
| 12:38.51 | Schalken | okay |
| 12:38.52 | eth01 | !pastebin |
| 12:38.52 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 12:39.38 | JustSoul2 | Help me with http://rafb.net/p/9IwALK49.html |
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| 12:39.56 | Schalken | eth01: http://rafb.net/p/0jcXAa24.html |
| 12:40.02 | eth01 | JustSoul2: #samba |
| 12:40.12 | Schalken | there is another error there, aswell, but that has always been there and im not sure if its related. |
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| 12:40.54 | eth01 | Schalken: try apache2ctl -k start |
| 12:41.20 | eth01 | also, do apache2ctl -t (pastebin this) |
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| 12:41.37 | Schalken | eth01: apache2ctl -k start gives same result. |
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| 12:41.45 | JustSoul2 | eth01 there are no answer |
| 12:41.54 | Schalken | eth01: same with apache2ctl -t |
| 12:42.00 | eth01 | change, the servername to localhost then ... |
| 12:42.13 | eth01 | JustSoul2: so? that's not my problem |
| 12:42.26 | Schalken | eth01: where can i do that? |
| 12:42.44 | tralala | eth01, if you can't help you don't have to be offensive |
| 12:42.50 | JustSoul2 | eth01, yes, but may be smbd here can help me? |
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| 12:43.23 | susanne-- | i'm trying to install rtg and it needs mysql headers. how are those installed? mysql-dev or something? |
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| 12:44.06 | tralala | susanne--, apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 12:44.06 | eth01 | tralala: it's not offensive, i'm simply stating the truth :) |
| 12:44.18 | Schalken | eth01: hmm, what if i purge the package and reinstall it? |
| 12:44.23 | eth01 | JustSoul2: don't multipost. |
| 12:44.49 | pabix | Hello, I would like to install the boost libraries for C++; I tried to apt-install libboost-*-1.42.* but I do not find any C++ header file on my system after that (locate boost | grep random) for example |
| 12:45.04 | pabix | Is there a package to install the complete boost libs? |
| 12:45.43 | snewp | pabix, apt-cache search lib boost |
| 12:45.53 | pabix | snewp, that's what I did |
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| 12:46.11 | eth01 | Schalken: you need to change the servername from 127.0.0.1 to localhost ... that's what the problem is (i think) |
| 12:46.18 | tralala | pabix, the headers are in the -dev packages |
| 12:46.26 | pabix | tralala, oh, thank you :) |
| 12:46.26 | tralala | i.e. search lib boost dev |
| 12:46.54 | eth01 | Schalken: what happens when you do 'nslookup tools.virginmedia.com' ... ? |
| 12:47.12 | Schalken | eth01: no such command |
| 12:47.47 | eth01 | Schalken: just wanted to check your DNS out :P try, apt-get install nslookup && nslookup tools.virginmedia.com and pastebin the output. |
| 12:48.04 | tralala | Schalken, host <hostname> and/or dig <hostname> |
| 12:48.07 | eth01 | sorry, apt-get install host |
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| 12:48.30 | eth01 | I was working in MS mode :P |
| 12:48.57 | tralala | there's nslookup in linux too |
| 12:49.19 | Schalken | eth01: hmm, installed "host", no such command as "nslookup" still, though :/ |
| 12:49.34 | Schalken | eth01: and ive used nslookup on linux before. |
| 12:49.35 | eth01 | tralala: indeed. lets not confuse this problem further hey. |
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| 12:50.48 | dokma | does unloading a kernel module free any memory? |
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| 12:51.55 | tralala | dokma, maybe. If you're short of memory though I don't think you'll gain all that much by unloading modules |
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| 12:52.16 | Schalken | eth01: host tools.virginmedia.com returns the IP, however :) |
| 12:52.21 | dokma | tralala: you think recompiling the kernel might help? |
| 12:52.21 | eth01 | okay, good. |
| 12:52.25 | eth01 | your hosts are f00ked. |
| 12:52.30 | dokma | every MB counts on this machine |
| 12:52.36 | dokma | it's only 256 |
| 12:52.49 | eth01 | Schalken: http://pastebin.com/m785d2421 |
| 12:53.05 | eth01 | dokma: use htop to look at mem-usage.. |
| 12:53.20 | eth01 | my machine only uses 32 when its idle, out of 512mb. |
| 12:53.33 | tralala | dokma, just buy some extra memory, or disable some services, stop some programmes. You won't gain much from the kernel. |
| 12:54.17 | dokma | I disable all that disabled could be |
| 12:54.22 | dokma | ssh is on inetd |
| 12:54.23 | tralala | also use swap if you don't already |
| 12:54.30 | Schalken | eth01: hmm, says "127.0.0.1 localhost" and "127.0.1.1 tux" (tux is this machine's old hostname) |
| 12:54.35 | dokma | I'll switch exim and dovecot to inetd |
| 12:54.37 | susanne-- | does anyone know if rtg can monitor a local nic rather than a router? i don't have snmp access to the router. |
| 12:54.47 | dokma | only things running are mysqld and apache |
| 12:54.52 | Schalken | eth01: i changed the hostname by editing /etc/hostname |
| 12:54.57 | dokma | this is a dedicated server box |
| 12:55.00 | dokma | albeit an old one |
| 12:55.05 | dokma | pIII on 800MHz |
| 12:55.10 | dokma | with 256MB ram |
| 12:55.18 | dokma | so I'm squeezing ram left and right |
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| 12:55.33 | dokma | I need to have full lamp + mail system on it |
| 12:55.38 | tralala | it's cheaper to simply buy |
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| 12:56.01 | dokma | it's a rented box |
| 12:56.11 | dokma | I'd have to pay extra monthly for more ram |
| 12:56.25 | dokma | and still don't have enough clients to afford that |
| 12:56.53 | dokma | besides this box is perfectly capable of serving plenty web sites |
| 12:57.17 | dokma | it's just that I find it crazy to have sound modules loaded on a box that has ssh access only |
| 12:57.29 | Schalken | eth01: you fixed it :D how come /etc/hosts was not updated when i changed /etc/hostname? |
| 12:57.50 | tralala | it's the database that needs memory, not the web pages |
| 12:58.06 | dokma | I never said web pages need memory |
| 12:58.13 | dokma | mysql and apache consume the most |
| 12:58.27 | dokma | but I tweaked that already |
| 12:58.37 | dokma | and it works very well |
| 12:58.44 | tralala | you can blacklist all the modules that aren't needed but I don't thing you'll have a noticable gain |
| 12:59.01 | dokma | I see |
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| 12:59.34 | dokma | I did compile one stripped down kernel that didnt boot. but the initrd image was much smaller than that of vanilla kernel |
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| 12:59.59 | dokma | now I did a make oldconfig with the settings from the working kernel |
| 13:00.05 | tralala | I think the initrd memory is freed after boot |
| 13:00.08 | snewp | Schalken, i think it will only be updated when ur reboot |
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| 13:00.09 | dokma | so I'll try to strip down stuff one by one |
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| 13:00.29 | dokma | tralala: yeah? well i makes sense |
| 13:00.42 | Schalken | snewp: oh, ive rebooted a few times since i changed /etc/hostname. |
| 13:00.46 | dokma | if it is so then indeed it does not pay off to recompile a kernel over this |
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| 13:01.04 | snewp | and it did change ? |
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| 13:01.37 | Schalken | snewp: nope, /etc/hosts still had the old hostname, thats why i was having problems just then :) |
| 13:01.39 | tralala | in any case for database use you'll benefit if you add another 256 megs. If you gain 5 megs (unlikely) by building a custom kernel I don't believe there will be any difference. |
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| 13:02.02 | distatica | Hey folks. I'm trying to give a user account write access to a web server directory. I have chmod -R g+w the directory, chowned the directory to group www, and added user to www group. yet I still get a permission denied when creating or writing a file. Am I missing something? |
| 13:02.07 | dokma | tralala: probably true |
| 13:02.27 | smhar | greetings |
| 13:02.30 | smhar | how to temporally change the gcc version used to compile software if I have two versions installed? |
| 13:02.36 | dokma | besides having a tweaked kernel that does not load all that unneeded stuff |
| 13:02.43 | tralala | distatica, log off/log in again |
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| 13:03.09 | tralala | dokma, and lacks security support |
| 13:03.39 | dokma | tralala: security support? |
| 13:03.39 | distatica | tralala: every single instance of that account? Or just the one I am trying to write in? |
| 13:03.47 | distatica | I just tried closing that shell and opening a new one, no change. |
| 13:03.49 | abrotman | smhar: you like'y have to change it in the make file |
| 13:03.54 | tralala | smhar, CC=gcc-3.4 make |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | distatica: all of them |
| 13:04.06 | Schalken | eth01: okay, userdir is successfully enabled |
| 13:04.10 | distatica | ok, brb |
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| 13:04.47 | tralala | dokma, automated security updates from debian |
| 13:04.58 | Schalken | eth01: thanks a bunch for your help |
| 13:05.18 | dokma | I don't want anything automated on my system |
| 13:05.25 | eth01 | np |
| 13:06.02 | dokma | once I set it up I want to be the only one doing the changes |
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| 13:06.04 | distatica | that fixed it. |
| 13:06.09 | distatica | thank you. |
| 13:06.34 | Schalken | eth01: oh, and why do i have localhost as 127.0.0.1 and tuxmachine as 127.0.1.1, when you have both your hostname and "localhost" as 127.0.0.1? |
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| 13:07.09 | abrotman | dokma: they don't happen automatically .. you still have to install it |
| 13:07.23 | tralala | dokma, I didn't express myself clearly - if you use a custom kernel you'd have to recompile every time there's a security fix, so you'll have to follow the security issues, investigate if they affect you and recompile. Kind of time consuming. |
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| 13:08.07 | solar_sea | can I ask hardware-related questions here ? |
| 13:08.31 | dokma | tralala: ohh that |
| 13:08.31 | abrotman | #hardware might be better |
| 13:08.38 | dokma | tralala: yeah, that is a bit of an issue |
| 13:08.49 | dokma | perhaps I should drop the recompiling all together |
| 13:08.53 | solar_sea | well, it's a problem on debian // linux in general |
| 13:09.01 | tralala | solar_sea, if it's related to debian hw support, yes |
| 13:09.07 | eth01 | Schalken: network-interfaces. |
| 13:09.16 | solar_sea | my gamepad stopped working after some apt-get upgrade and it won't work anymore on any usb port |
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| 13:09.20 | tralala | dokma, that would be a wise thing to do |
| 13:09.21 | smhar | tralala, I did CC=gcc-4.1 and echo confirms it, but vmware-config.pl still says I am using 4.2 |
| 13:09.25 | eth01 | lo, as in localhost (null, nothing) |
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| 13:09.33 | solar_sea | and it works on windows |
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| 13:09.37 | dokma | tralala: thanks |
| 13:09.40 | eth01 | dead, endless, none-routable. |
| 13:09.47 | tralala | dokma, you're welcome |
| 13:10.12 | tralala | smhar, export CC=gcc-4.1 |
| 13:10.14 | eth01 | segmented from main interfaces, such as eth1, eth2, fe:1, ve0:1 etc |
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| 13:10.21 | solar_sea | I have a manually-installed kernel so it apt-get upgrade shouldn't install a new one .. and i'm trying to figure out what the h*ll went wrong |
| 13:10.32 | Schalken | eth01: and what is the difference between mine and your box? i have just one interface, eth0 which is the nic built into my motherboard.. |
| 13:11.02 | tralala | solar_sea, testing/unstable? |
| 13:11.09 | eth01 | Schalken: I have 3 nics ... (eth1, eth2, and fe1) |
| 13:11.29 | solar_sea | tralala, testing [lenny] |
| 13:11.33 | smhar | tralala, thanks |
| 13:11.39 | eth01 | PCI, Wireless and onboard. |
| 13:11.46 | Schalken | eth01: why does that mean you have your hostname under 127.0.0.1 but i have mine under 127.0.1.1? |
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| 13:12.11 | solar_sea | and dmesg says only "device not accepting address X, error -71", X depending on whichever port I plug it on |
| 13:12.16 | eth01 | schalken: it can be 127.0.0.* whatever. |
| 13:12.49 | abrotman | solar_sea: /var/log/dpkg.log will show what's been upgraded |
| 13:12.50 | Schalken | eth01: you mean it makes no difference? |
| 13:12.59 | abrotman | solar_sea: IIRC there was a hal update the other day |
| 13:13.05 | eth01 | no.. it's fine and working. |
| 13:13.11 | eth01 | don't mess with it :P |
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| 13:13.49 | Schalken | eth01: but im seriously wondering, why 127.0.1.1 for hostname and not 127.0.0.1? |
| 13:14.10 | solar_sea | it wasn't from the last upgrade, but like a month or two ago, I just got the time to tackle with it |
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| 13:14.45 | eth01 | schalken: well, if that bothers you. change them all to 127.0.0.1 (which by default, it should be anyway) but hey, if its working, i wouldn't want to worry too much? |
| 13:14.53 | solar_sea | every one of my other usb gadgets like card reader / mp3 player / mouse / kbd works |
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| 13:15.46 | Schalken | eth01: found this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/06/msg00938.html see last two paragraphs. |
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| 13:16.19 | abrotman | solar_sea: have you tried it with a debian-packaged kernel ? |
| 13:16.19 | Schalken | eth01: dont really get it though :/ |
| 13:16.23 | wsdo_okadr | I have apache2 installed in my machine and in a chroot.I just installed apache2 in the chroot also.I am trying to start apache2 in the chroot with NO success. what can I do/read about this ? thank you |
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| 13:16.43 | solar_sea | abrotman, i've tried with 2.6.23 [i'm currently using 2.6.18 from etch I think] |
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| 13:16.50 | solar_sea | and my keyboard wont work .. |
| 13:16.52 | SlayerXP | wsdo_okadr: most people would start by looking at the error message. |
| 13:17.03 | SlayerXP | also, most people wouldn't bother chrooting apache |
| 13:17.14 | abrotman | solar_sea: there's a 2.6.22 packaged for lenny/unstable |
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| 13:17.34 | eth01 | schalken: no, it's fine. keep it at 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:17.42 | snewp | just installed the newest kernel |
| 13:17.42 | abrotman | solar_sea: anyways .. if you can remember when it happened .. you can check your install log to see what might have done it |
| 13:17.48 | Schalken | eth01: you mean 127.0.1.1? |
| 13:18.01 | abrotman | solar_sea: i'm guessing something like hal or udev |
| 13:18.28 | solar_sea | is there a way to remove those / to replace them with older versions , are they critical or something like this ? |
| 13:18.59 | eth01 | schalken: nono. keep it at 127.0.0.1, but if its working then i don't really see why you're worrying too much. |
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| 13:19.41 | bonez45 | what might it mean if I am attempting to resize a drive...unmounted..using gparted..and the resize option is greyed out? |
| 13:20.06 | liable | bonez45: you need to remove the journal from it if its ext3 |
| 13:20.13 | solar_sea | here's a pretty much the same problem, without a solution :) [ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263739 ] |
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| 13:20.23 | abrotman | solar_sea: remove udev and hal ? |
| 13:20.51 | Schalken | eth01: no, the hostname is set to 127.0.1.1 (unlike on your box) and i was wondering why. that email explains why, but i dont get it. it should work either way, because it works with it set to 127.0.1.1 and your box works with it set to 127.0.0.1. |
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| 13:20.55 | solar_sea | erm .. kde depens on one of those ? |
| 13:21.13 | eth01 | yes, its a localhost address. |
| 13:21.21 | solar_sea | for I'm getting a preeety large list of things that will be removed if I try apt-get remove hal udev |
| 13:21.21 | eth01 | so, yes, of course, it will work. |
| 13:21.47 | solar_sea | my current kernel's image is among them too |
| 13:21.47 | abrotman | solar_sea: yeah .. hal and udev are handy :) |
| 13:21.53 | bonez45 | liable: how do I remove the journal..and it is ext3 fs |
| 13:22.14 | liable | bonez45: man tune2fs i dont recall off the top of my head |
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| 13:22.21 | bonez45 | ok.... |
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| 13:22.55 | Schalken | eth01: yep. well im not going to bother trying to understand why mine is set to 127.0.1.1 and yours is set to 127.0.0.1. ill worry about toher things now. |
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| 13:23.34 | Schalken | eth01: oh yeah, and why wasnt the hostname in /etc/hosts updated when i chaged the hostname in /etc/hostname ? |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | eh .. you know a forum post is old when it starts "I'm using kernel 2.4.x ... " |
| 13:24.24 | solar_sea | I've just upgraded hal - to no avail :) |
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| 13:25.02 | eth01 | schalken: it's fine, don't worry :) |
| 13:25.15 | eth01 | schalken: manually update them |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | solar_sea: ls -l /dev/input/js- |
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| 13:25.37 | abrotman | erm |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | solar_sea: ls -l /dev/input/js0 |
| 13:25.58 | solar_sea | ls: /dev/input/js0: No such file or directory |
| 13:26.11 | Schalken | eth01: but is it _supposed_ to update /etc/hosts when /etc/hostname is changed? |
| 13:26.18 | eth01 | no. |
| 13:26.31 | abrotman | oh .. because it doesn't see it |
| 13:26.32 | abrotman | grr |
| 13:27.10 | Schalken | eth01: okay, so i am supposed to remember to change /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname when changing a systems hostname. |
| 13:27.33 | solar_sea | it can't identify it, I remember that when It worked it was like 'greenasia joypad detected, blhblah'. now it's just device not accepting address\ |
| 13:27.40 | Schalken | eth01: one more question though... |
| 13:28.02 | abrotman | solar_sea: if you lsusb -v .. do you see it ? |
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| 13:28.19 | eth01 | sure, go ahead. |
| 13:28.29 | Schalken | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gimp says gimp is at version 2.4 in lenny, but my package manager says it is still 2.2. why? |
| 13:28.43 | abrotman | Schalken: aptitude update && aptitude install gimp |
| 13:28.58 | solar_sea | nope, it's connected but I'm only seeing my keyboard/mouse |
| 13:29.06 | Schalken | abrotman: updated aptitude, still version 2.2. |
| 13:29.13 | abrotman | Schalken: which mirror? |
| 13:29.14 | snewp | is aptitude newer version of apt-get or the other way around ? |
| 13:29.28 | Schalken | abrotman: ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 13:29.35 | abrotman | solar_sea: i'd ask ##kernel or #debian-kernel(on irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:29.44 | abrotman | Schalken: eh ... wait a day or two or get a new mirror |
| 13:29.47 | solar_sea | http://83.148.81.131/lsusb.output.txt - there's the output |
| 13:29.50 | solar_sea | okey, thanks |
| 13:29.54 | abrotman | snewp: they are different |
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| 13:30.01 | Schalken | snewp: it is my understanding that aptitude is the new and preferred CLI package manager for etch. |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | solar_sea: do you have other usb devices to try? |
| 13:30.25 | solar_sea | a card reader and an mp3 player |
| 13:30.27 | solar_sea | they both work |
| 13:30.27 | snewp | icnocop, sorry for asking just new to debian |
| 13:30.32 | Schalken | abrotman: but i can download the file here: http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gimp/gimp_2.4.1-1_amd64.deb just it doesnt show up in aptitude. |
| 13:30.45 | solar_sea | together with my keyboard and mouse(trackball) |
| 13:30.56 | salvin | apt-get rulez |
| 13:30.57 | abrotman | Schalken: try aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:31.07 | Schalken | abrotman: is ftp.debian.org the one that should be always up to date? |
| 13:31.15 | abrotman | Schalken: it is .. |
| 13:31.16 | Schalken | abrotman: no upgradable packages. |
| 13:31.30 | abrotman | Schalken: apt-cache policy gimp |
| 13:31.47 | abrotman | solar_sea: AIUI .. if lsusb doesn't see it .. the rest of the system has no hope of getting to it |
| 13:32.03 | Schalken | abrotman: so if i change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to ftp.debian.org and not ftp.au.debian.org, the package might show up? |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | do NOT use ftp.debian.org |
| 13:32.21 | abrotman | .au has like five mirrors .. |
| 13:32.45 | Schalken | abrotman: apt-cache policy gimp says 2.2 is the "installed" and the "candidate" packag.e |
| 13:32.49 | abrotman | heck .. they have mor ethan 10 |
| 13:32.49 | Schalken | package* |
| 13:33.14 | abrotman | Schalken: just choose another .au mirror |
| 13:33.47 | snewp | !mirrors |
| 13:33.47 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 13:34.28 | Schalken | abrotman: okay. is there a program that can ping the mirrors for me to find a good one? |
| 13:34.37 | liable | apt-spy |
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| 13:34.48 | abrotman | Schalken: apt-spy can .. if it works for you .. but it's a VERY long test |
| 13:35.09 | Schalken | abrotman: lol, i like the factoid: |
| 13:35.14 | Schalken | !apt-spy |
| 13:35.14 | dpkg | hmm... apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 13:35.17 | abrotman | Schalken: probably better just to have ftp.au.debian.org and something like mirror.pacific.net.au in your sources |
| 13:35.41 | Schalken | abrotman: both mirrors, at the same time? |
| 13:35.49 | sztamas | is there a way to install an older version of a package? |
| 13:35.49 | abrotman | sure |
| 13:35.49 | liable | your is probably has one if they dont suck balls |
| 13:35.53 | liable | isp |
| 13:36.06 | Schalken | abrotman: hmm, okay :D |
| 13:36.08 | abrotman | connect.net.au ? |
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| 13:36.31 | abrotman | Schalken: if you find one is more up-to-date than the other .. remove the "broken" one at a later time |
| 13:36.32 | liable | never heard of em |
| 13:36.39 | nkuttler | sztamas: dpkg -i it an see what happens |
| 13:36.43 | Schalken | abrotman: ill try pacific, they mirror stuff from sourceforge and the download is usually pretty good. |
| 13:36.56 | Phil | is it possible to change audio levels from the command line directly? I.e. without using alsamixer? |
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| 13:37.17 | abrotman | there's like amixer or something .. the man page for alsamixer talks about it |
| 13:37.23 | sztamas | nkuttler: well the syntax with apt is apt-get install package=version |
| 13:37.26 | nkuttler | Phil: iirc aumix can do that |
| 13:37.53 | sztamas | nkuttler: I just don't know if old packages are kept on the ftp sites? |
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| 13:38.02 | nkuttler | sztamas: snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:39.07 | Phil | aha, thanks abrotman |
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| 13:40.06 | sztamas | nkuttler: cool, thanks. I guess I have to find out the date from the version of the package somehow ... |
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| 13:40.51 | nkuttler | sztamas: reading the website helps |
| 13:41.02 | Schalken | abrotman: :O upgrades avaliable! |
| 13:41.26 | sztamas | nkuttler: yes, sorry. Thanks again! |
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| 13:44.29 | susanne-- | in /etc/cron.d, if i want to dink with one of the files, do i need to restart crond or run crontab on something? or just modify the file? |
| 13:44.37 | sztamas | is there a way to find out when the last apt-get upgrade happened on a machine? |
| 13:45.00 | sztamas | or when was a particular package installed? |
| 13:45.02 | abrotman | susanne--: just modify it |
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| 13:46.12 | rhalff | hi is there a package that ensures a sane base debian system ? |
| 13:46.18 | sztamas | bonez45: you have them in a file? Comma-separated and you want them separated by spaces? |
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| 13:47.47 | rhalff | I get dpkg-statoverride: non-existing group Debian-exim which seems weird to me |
| 13:49.23 | bonez45 | sztamas: exactly....there are now in the form "text,date" and I want two columns...one with the text, next to one with the date |
| 13:50.06 | sztamas | cat file | sed -e "s/,/ /g" |
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| 13:52.03 | bonez45 | sztamas: ok, that just put quotes around the list.. not what I wanted it to do |
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| 13:52.54 | sztamas | bonez45: give me an example of input/output |
| 13:52.54 | nkuttler | rhalff: hm, what did you do? you could try to apt-get install --reinstall the various exim4-* packages, but there could be more broken stuff on your system |
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| 13:53.33 | sztamas | text1,date1 should become text1 date1? |
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| 13:54.47 | bonez45 | sztamas: ok, an example is "agoofydomain.com - dec. 6, 2007" and I want that broken into two columns, perhaps like "agoofydomain.com,dec.6, 2007" which I can then open into a spreadsheet with two columns.... "agoofydomain.com" and another with "dec.6, 2007" sans "" marks of course |
| 13:54.59 | Hoxzer | Hello , I'm running debian etch and I trying to compile/install latest video4linux driver. According to v4l irc channel it has some problems with compiling on 2.6.18 kernel. Well, as I noticed it does compile driver of my card just fine I tried do config before installing. well, make menuconfig doesn't work. Anybody here who has done this ? |
| 13:55.23 | nkuttler | bonez45: just open your list as filetype csv |
| 13:55.25 | Balancin | i have problem with dpkg --purge, his not remove phpgroupware, how to solve that? |
| 13:55.48 | bonez45 | nkuttler: I try that and oocalc just puts it all into one column..... |
| 13:55.54 | nkuttler | Balancin: use aptitude |
| 13:55.55 | jatt | Balancin: error message |
| 13:55.59 | liable | Hoxzer: make menoconfig? you just compiled one driver didn't you? |
| 13:56.18 | Balancin | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 10 |
| 13:56.18 | nkuttler | bonez45: do you have more ,s in the file than the separators? |
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| 13:56.38 | bonez45 | nkuttler: no, ... just one , |
| 13:57.00 | Hoxzer | liable: no I didn't I failed to compile it with "make all" which compiles all the drivers |
| 13:57.03 | nkuttler | bonez45: you mean one on every line? |
| 13:57.30 | liable | Hoxzer: did it compile the one you wanted? |
| 13:57.53 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/790563 |
| 13:58.04 | bonez45 | yeah....here's an example > SPEAK-SPANISH.US - Dec. 06, 2007 ok, I was wrong, no comms there, just " - " space, dash space....that's the separator... |
| 13:58.07 | Hoxzer | liable: at least a part of it |
| 13:58.25 | Hoxzer | liable: I pretty much think it did but I'm not sure |
| 13:58.30 | bonez45 | nkuttler: I want to end up with SPEAK-SPANISH.US in one colums and Dec. 06, 2007 in another column |
| 13:58.34 | sztamas | bonez45: cat file | sed -e "s/ - /,/g" |
| 13:59.49 | liable | Hoxzer: hrm, that looks like its looking for real kernel source, though the scripts dir is usually in the headers package iirc |
| 14:00.02 | Hoxzer | liable: yes, I think so too |
| 14:00.15 | Hoxzer | liable: I tried to point /Usr/src/linux to the kernel sourc |
| 14:00.15 | Hoxzer | e |
| 14:00.25 | Hoxzer | liable: but it still somehow finds the headers |
| 14:00.40 | nkuttler | bonez45: btw, how are you related to speak-spanish.us, an obvious spam page? |
| 14:00.42 | bonez45 | sztamas: I run that script on my list, and it displays on screen, but does NOT save the file as it appears |
| 14:00.49 | Hoxzer | liable: menuconfig requires full kernel source if I remember correctly |
| 14:00.50 | liable | Hoxzer: it should have a KSRC argument you can feed it |
| 14:01.04 | liable | have a look in the install file |
| 14:01.25 | Hoxzer | liable: nothing there |
| 14:01.27 | bonez45 | nkuttler: speak-spanish.us is a registered domain....for my wife's company...and has NOTHING AT ALL to do with any spasm initiative.....not at all obvious spam...... |
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| 14:01.44 | sztamas | bonez45 just redirect it to another file |
| 14:01.54 | bonez45 | not sure how you derive spam from a domain like that... |
| 14:01.58 | sztamas | bonez45: cat file | sed -e "s/ - /,/g" > result |
| 14:02.27 | nkuttler | bonez45: domain parking... could be legitimate i guess but you should check it's content... |
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| 14:04.47 | buscon | Hi, I'd like to edit remote files while I'm connected to the remote ftp server |
| 14:05.03 | buscon | I'm trying to use ftp shell client |
| 14:05.11 | buscon | how can I do it ? |
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| 14:06.19 | adrakoa | webcam problem: with cheese -> Error running pipeline 'v4lsrc ! fakesink', but with gst-launch-0.1.0 v4l2rc queue-size=2 it works.. what should i do? |
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| 14:06.53 | tralala | buscon, download the file, edit it, upload it |
| 14:07.08 | buscon | tralala, yeah, I know it |
| 14:07.18 | bonez45 | nkuttler: by 'domain parking' do you mean tying up domain names, so that others can ambush one's business and try to leach off errant domain searches? |
| 14:07.34 | buscon | but if I have to edit a lot of files it's not very useful |
| 14:07.40 | vy | Does anybody know what's wrong with the glibc-2.7.1? locales depends on it and every locale dependent things is borken now after updated to unstable branch. Is there an easy way to downgrade to etch, or a fresh install will be much more easier? |
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| 14:07.58 | buscon | I cannot believe it does not exist an ftp shell with editing abilities |
| 14:08.36 | bquorning | buscon: I that's more of a protocol problem than an application problem ;-) |
| 14:08.40 | Balancin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.07 | tralala | buscon, considering what ftp stands for it's rather unlikely for an ftp client to offer file edits, but if any does it will be lftp or ncftp |
| 14:09.46 | sztamas | buscon: you have more chance finding an editor with ftp capabilities than an ftp client with editor capabilities :) |
| 14:10.01 | buscon | bquorning, tralala, I know It, but I thought that an ftp client can download the file in /tmp, let you edit and upload it when I finished... |
| 14:10.01 | bquorning | How do I get more than 80x25 characters in the terminal screen after boot? I'm perfectly happy with working on the command line, so I'd prefer not having to install X & display manager just to get some more 'real estate'. |
| 14:10.10 | nkuttler | bonez45: if you own the domain just don't worry about it and update it soon. i'd be pissed off though if my webhoster put such content on urls i own. |
| 14:10.16 | fraujansen | hi! i have got a question that i couldn't resolve by googling.... how can i set the character set on my debian-linux? the character-set for all aplications in the terminal, system-wide? |
| 14:10.20 | buscon | sztamas, that sound good ;) |
| 14:10.23 | tralala | buscon, perhaps mc can do that |
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| 14:10.43 | buscon | tralala, I take a look |
| 14:10.49 | Schalken | what does it mean when a package in testing is "frozen"? |
| 14:11.19 | grub | !frozen |
| 14:11.19 | dpkg | somebody said frozen was the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 14:11.23 | tralala | no new versions will be uploaded, only bugfixes untill it becomes stable |
| 14:11.24 | nkuttler | bquorning: if you can build a kernel, activate the framebuffer console. or use setfont or consolechars |
| 14:11.45 | Schalken | tralala: why would it be in that state? |
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| 14:12.05 | tralala | because it's planned for the next stable release? |
| 14:12.25 | tralala | I don't know if debian does that on individual package level though |
| 14:12.27 | nkuttler | fraujansen: /msg dpkg locales |
| 14:12.45 | Schalken | tralala: i see. |
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| 14:13.18 | fraujansen | nkuttler: cool thank u, i try it |
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| 14:14.13 | nkuttler | fraujansen: hm, wait, locales is for language settings. what characters do you need? |
| 14:14.36 | bquorning | nkuttler: Consolechars sounds right. I am not building a kernel, so is consolechars still an option? |
| 14:14.45 | fraujansen | nkuttler: i don't know... german, englisch, french... the tipical i think... |
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| 14:16.38 | th1 | hi, how can I make links in Evolution mail open in firefox instead of Gnome Web Browser? I'm using Etch and I have already changed the link in /etc/default/x-www-browser to point to Iceweasel |
| 14:17.03 | abrotman | change the gnome-www-browser |
| 14:17.16 | abrotman | there's a gnome preferred apps thingie |
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| 14:17.57 | buscon | tralala, ncftp is the perfect tool :D |
| 14:18.43 | th1 | thanks abrotman, that did the trick |
| 14:18.55 | tralala | a perfect world would be one without ftp in it, but when one has to deal with reality ncftp comes handy |
| 14:19.40 | th1 | lftp is also nice |
| 14:20.01 | tralala | it is |
| 14:20.47 | |DawnLight| | ft-pichs |
| 14:21.07 | tralala | they both share a number of nice features, the annoying thing is that each one of them has unique nice features as well |
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| 14:21.29 | tralala | at least it used to be like that a few years ago when I last used ftp |
| 14:21.51 | bahadunn | I have yet to find an ftp client that will at least work well with encrypting a username and password for authentication |
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| 14:22.00 | bahadunn | let alone encrypting the data transfers |
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| 14:22.09 | th1 | I think it still is but then I don't use ftp much these days (wget usually does the job for getting a file or folder off FTP) |
| 14:22.24 | tralala | bahadunn, you'd have to find an ftp server to do the same as well |
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| 14:22.37 | bahadunn | tralala: yes and that is vsftpd |
| 14:22.50 | bahadunn | tralala: thats the one I use anyways and yes I am aware of that and yes I have it setup etc... |
| 14:22.54 | th1 | bahadunn, I think lftp and even plain old ftp can be built with TLS support these days |
| 14:23.03 | dc2447 | Is the easiest way on debian to diable all crontabs to stop the service? |
| 14:23.13 | bahadunn | th1: yes that is true |
| 14:23.23 | bahadunn | th1: but it sometimes does not work very well |
| 14:23.38 | bahadunn | th1: especially if you want to encrypt the data transfers as well |
| 14:23.53 | bahadunn | th1: not to mention natting through firewalls and other problems etc... |
| 14:24.04 | tralala | a lada can also be turned into bmw but sometimes it doesn't work all that well... |
| 14:24.17 | bahadunn | it is faster then scp/sftp though |
| 14:24.18 | th1 | yeah but for secure stuff I'd usually use scp or https if it has to be public |
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| 14:24.33 | bahadunn | but if you want security scp/sftp is the only really good way to go |
| 14:24.39 | bahadunn | th1: yeah me too |
| 14:24.59 | th1 | ftp is a pretty dated protocol in any case ;) |
| 14:25.28 | tralala | it suffices to say that security was invented after ftp ;) |
| 14:25.31 | bahadunn | yes it is |
| 14:25.37 | bahadunn | how true |
| 14:26.01 | tralala | ftp/telnet/ip... (fill in the rest) |
| 14:26.02 | stew | the internet was invented after ftp |
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| 14:30.39 | Anubis_be | hey all |
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| 14:32.22 | elmo40 | morning Anubis_be (I thought you died in season 8...) |
| 14:32.24 | elmo40 | :P |
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| 14:38.43 | Anubis_be | does anyone know a good tool to benchmark a bind-server? |
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| 14:41.54 | rowan_ | hi |
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| 14:42.51 | rowan_ | anyone know why when I upgraded my kernel from 2.6.22-1 to 2.6.22-3 I lost vfat support? |
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| 14:43.35 | rowan_ | I've had to downgrade again so that I can access my USB storage devices |
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| 14:47.52 | ToHellWithGA | i'm trying to switch from ubuntu to debian because ubuntu seems overly big. i'm on a macbook and can't seem to get grub to install during installation from CD1 |
| 14:47.56 | tralala | rowan_, apparently thre's something very wrong with lenny right now. Today there have been various people complaining from driver (-like?) issues |
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| 14:50.27 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, which debian? what's the error message? |
| 14:51.41 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: 4.0r1 amd64, the error message is something along the lines of "grub failed, this is a big deal" |
| 14:52.08 | ToHellWithGA | i was able to install ubuntu amd64 on this machine so i can't imagine their debian installer is any newer than y'alls |
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| 14:52.41 | ToHellWithGA | but man howdy is that ubuntu install large. it's almost 3 GB without any customization |
| 14:52.47 | helo | i want to be able to reimage the hard drives of a group of computers over the network as needed... but they must always boot pxe, so the server will either send a pxe image that will reimage from nfs (if the server thinks the client is out of date), or send a pxe image that will boot from the (up to date) hard drive |
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| 14:52.56 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, ubuntu's grub version is likely newer than debian 4.0's |
| 14:53.14 | ToHellWithGA | would you recommend a different debian release? |
| 14:53.32 | eth01 | use 3.1 |
| 14:53.33 | ToHellWithGA | i haven't read up on your versioning but i'm assuming the one on that CD is a stable release |
| 14:53.39 | tralala | eth01, don't be silly |
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| 14:54.06 | eth01 | tralala: whatever. |
| 14:54.11 | ToHellWithGA | eth01: perhaps i should try gentoo since i'm not familiar with portage at all |
| 14:54.11 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, I wouldn't recommend testing/unstable |
| 14:54.15 | ToHellWithGA | for the lulz |
| 14:54.37 | eth01 | tralala: ironic that you never have much positive to say, don't get me wrong, you sound like a nice person *cough* ehhhhhh. |
| 14:54.42 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: i'll stall out for a bit then and try it in a VM. |
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| 14:56.31 | rowan_ | thanks tralala... I was out for a bit... yeah, okay that makes sense... I'll hover on this kernel for now |
| 14:57.08 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, maybe lilo would work better on a mac. Try googling a bit. I think I've read somewhere that there was a special bootloader for macs... maybe for oldies though |
| 14:57.12 | helo | is it possible for a pxe-booted machine to boot from the local drive after (for example) finding no updates, or do you have to power cycle? |
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| 14:57.43 | helo | or, is it possible to set up a pxe config file that will just tell the machine to boot from the disk instead of pxe? |
| 14:58.03 | helo | well, instead of taking further action, such as reimaging the drive over nfs |
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| 14:59.05 | efaistos | what would you use to monitor apache ? |
| 14:59.45 | jatt | hi, I use gnumeric and abiword they are great. I am looking for a presentation application _DIFFERENT THAN OPENOFFICE_ (which can read powerpoint files) for gnome, any advice? |
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| 14:59.52 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, or you could rescue boot after installing without grub, chroot to your install and try to install grub from backports |
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| 15:00.21 | tralala | jatt, I've seen people using LaTeX for presentations |
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| 15:00.45 | tralala | probably combined with a user friendly front-end like lyx |
| 15:01.13 | jatt | thanks I wanna read .ppt files from my boss though |
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| 15:01.34 | tralala | ah... |
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| 15:03.54 | Knight_Lord | How difficult is it to get an Apple Cinema display 23' to work on debian? |
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| 15:04.02 | DawnLight | efaistos: try #apache |
| 15:04.12 | DawnLight | Knight_Lord: what is that? |
| 15:04.38 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: it's this difficult <-----------> (not to scale) |
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| 15:04.53 | Knight_Lord | I managed to get it to work with the nv driver but not with the nvidia |
| 15:04.55 | LoveNPeace | whcih package has the audits daemon ? |
| 15:04.56 | DawnLight | nah, i'd say <-------> |
| 15:05.04 | LoveNPeace | whcih package has the auditd daemon ? |
| 15:05.12 | azeem | LoveNPeace: /msg dpkg search |
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| 15:06.12 | Knight_Lord | Also several programs are segfaulting |
| 15:06.28 | Knight_Lord | including aterm and xmms. Does anyone has a suggestion? |
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| 15:07.01 | DawnLight | is there a program/script that can self destruct the debian installation? |
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| 15:07.21 | Appiah | Is there anyway to get aalib to mplayer without compiling mplayer myself? |
| 15:07.36 | SlayerXP | DawnLight: umm, why would you want to do that? |
| 15:08.33 | DawnLight | SlayerXP: i want to wipe everything through ssh |
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| 15:10.45 | Ronin | DawnLight: define wipe i guess |
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| 15:11.23 | DawnLight | Ronin: make all data on the hard drive unrecoverable |
| 15:11.58 | Ronin | degaus and shred |
| 15:12.28 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: i'm not familiar with chroot |
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| 15:12.51 | ToHellWithGA | i'll give it a few days and when i can't stand using ubuntu again i'll try that |
| 15:13.34 | Oggu | What is wrong when I get error with locales when useing apt-get from an swedish ubuntu to a english debian with ssh? |
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| 15:15.41 | \amethyst | Oggu: probably the system doesn't have the Swedish locale, but your LOCALE is still sv_SE ? |
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| 15:16.00 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, you'll get all the help you need here, especially when you say that you're migrating from ubuntu |
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| 15:16.28 | Oggu | \amethyst: But why does the debian computer get error? It is there the locales gioes wrong |
| 15:17.27 | tralala | DawnLight, nothing short of destroying the disk will help. Or using encrypted partition(s) right from the *start*. |
| 15:17.40 | DawnLight | Ronin: what if i want to remove all traces of all the data in all the partitions? |
| 15:17.55 | DawnLight | and i don't have physical access |
| 15:18.12 | \amethyst | Oggu: As I said, maybe the debian computer doesn't have the Swedish locale. |
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| 15:18.19 | Th|sD|cK | hello guys |
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| 15:18.44 | \amethyst | Oggu: Is the message something like "Setting locale failed..<lines> LANG=sv_SE" ? |
| 15:18.53 | DawnLight | tralala: can i destroy the disk remotely? |
| 15:18.56 | Oggu | \amethyst: I dont want it to have sweidsh locale... Does it automatically get that when i use ssh from a swedish computer? |
| 15:19.38 | tralala | DawnLight, depends whom you're trying to hide it from. dd-ing /dev/random over the disk would prevent simple investigation, but given time and money all the data that was *ever* written to a hard disk can be recovered |
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| 15:20.01 | DawnLight | tralala: what?? how is that possible? |
| 15:20.05 | Ronin | which is why i said degauze it and then shred it :) |
| 15:20.21 | \amethyst | Oggu: hmm... actually, I think I might be wrong... logging in with ssh usually changes the locale |
| 15:20.38 | DawnLight | but anyway, can i do that from ssh? |
| 15:20.42 | \amethyst | Oggu: what does echo $LANG $LC_ALL say on the Debian machine? |
| 15:20.55 | tralala | DawnLight, I'm not good enough in physics to understand and obviously neither are you, but it is still possible |
| 15:21.11 | DawnLight | anything is possible |
| 15:21.28 | Oggu | \amethyst: VPS:~# echo $LANG $LC_ALL |
| 15:21.29 | Oggu | sv_SE.UTF-8 |
| 15:21.32 | tralala | DawnLight, nor if you degauze and shred it :) |
| 15:21.41 | tralala | not |
| 15:21.53 | tralala | but ssh cannot (yet) do that |
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| 15:22.05 | XoX | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.08 | tralala | fortunately! |
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| 15:22.22 | DawnLight | fotunately... |
| 15:22.36 | \amethyst | Oggu: so it looks like it is getting carried over... |
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| 15:23.18 | \amethyst | Oggu: if you want logins on the debian machine to always have en_US.UTF-8 (for example), you need to add LANG=en_US.UTF-8 to /etc/default/locale |
| 15:23.26 | Oggu | \amethyst: Thats not what I want.... It's a strange standard feuture in ssh |
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| 15:23.46 | tralala | DawnLight, if you're migrating away from a hostring provider as opposed to hiding from CIA the following command should be enough: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda |
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| 15:23.48 | \amethyst | Oggu: what do you want, then? |
| 15:24.17 | Oggu | no, what I dont want is the locale settings to be changed |
| 15:24.30 | Oggu | and that that is a strange feuture in ssh |
| 15:24.30 | DawnLight | tralala: but i can't do that while logged in, can't i? |
| 15:24.38 | tralala | DawnLight, of course you can |
| 15:24.47 | Oggu | but ill try adding a /etc/default/locale file |
| 15:24.50 | DawnLight | well, here it goes |
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| 15:25.01 | \amethyst | Oggu: oh, so you want the sv_SE locale on the Debian machine? |
| 15:25.04 | tralala | be sure to not paste it by mistake on another machine |
| 15:25.21 | Oggu | \amethyst: No, I want it to stay as it is when i log in with ssh |
| 15:25.23 | Ronin | tralala: heh |
| 15:25.31 | ToHellWithGA | ok tralala so i figured out that my problem might could have been out-of-sync MBR/GPT |
| 15:25.32 | Oggu | \amethyst: so ill try to add that file |
| 15:25.32 | snewp | how can i set a certain user can only do su ? |
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| 15:26.11 | ToHellWithGA | i'm back in ubuntu and ready to chroot into debian to install grub. is that any easy thing to do? |
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| 15:26.27 | udunnoknow | hi |
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| 15:26.35 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, I take it you're using the ubuntu live-cd? |
| 15:26.37 | \amethyst | Oggu: I'm confused. I thought the current situation is: LANG=sv_SE on Ubuntu, then when you ssh to Debian it remains LANG=sv_SE |
| 15:26.38 | ToHellWithGA | morning udunnoknow |
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| 15:26.43 | DawnLight | i typed it in. should i be seeing a shell when it's done? |
| 15:26.53 | tralala | unlikely |
| 15:26.59 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: i'm using ubuntu 7.10 installed to a partition |
| 15:27.09 | DawnLight | so how do i know that it is done? |
| 15:27.11 | tralala | and debian is installed on another? |
| 15:27.14 | ToHellWithGA | i left it on here for while i try out debian until i have the kinks worked out |
| 15:27.34 | ToHellWithGA | yessir, ubuntu is on sda3, debian on sda4 |
| 15:27.39 | Oggu | \amethyst: Im using sv_SE on my ubuntu desktop. On my debian VPS i want english standard. But i get locales errors when i use apt-get over ssh from ubuntu to debian |
| 15:27.39 | udunnoknow | why can I not install the flashplugin-nonfree in version 9 with the apt-get install command? |
| 15:27.49 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, mount /dev/sda4 /mnt; chroot /mnt |
| 15:27.53 | ToHellWithGA | and i want to install grub to (hd0,3), the partition on which debian is installed |
| 15:28.07 | tralala | grub has to be installed on the master boot record |
| 15:28.23 | tralala | if macs have anything like that at all... |
| 15:28.32 | ToHellWithGA | rEFIt gets beyond that |
| 15:28.59 | \amethyst | Oggu: Ah, okay, the locales error is because there isn't a sv_SE.UTF-8 locale on the debian system. Setting /etc/default/locale will make it so that your locale becomes en_GB.UTF-8 or whatever when you log in. |
| 15:29.00 | tralala | DawnLight, wait size_of_harddisk*1024/20 seconds |
| 15:29.18 | DawnLight | nice math |
| 15:29.27 | jelly | aw, shucks. apt-listchanges wants to install python. apt-listbugs wants to install ruby. |
| 15:29.35 | DawnLight | 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 211.688 seconds, 0.0 kB/s |
| 15:29.40 | DawnLight | hmm |
| 15:29.48 | Oggu | \amethyst: And with that setting it is secure to log in with ssh from anywhere without locale errors? |
| 15:29.52 | \amethyst | Oggu: If you want to be able to still get Swedish messages, you'll need to dpkg-reconfigure locales to get the sv_SE.UTF-8 locale, but it sounds like that isn't what you want |
| 15:29.55 | ToHellWithGA | rEFIt is a chainloader of sorts that lets me use OSX from sda2, grub from sda3 for ubuntu, and (when i get it installed) grub from sda4 for debian |
| 15:30.17 | \amethyst | Oggu: At least with the default Debian PAM config for ssh |
| 15:30.17 | jelly | size of minimal reasonable stable system goes _up_. |
| 15:30.23 | Oggu | \amethyst: Seems unessecarry with swedish on a webserver |
| 15:30.24 | \amethyst | Oggu: it has the line: auth required pam_env.so envfile=/etc/default/locale |
| 15:30.25 | tralala | DawnLight, perhaps sda is not the correct device |
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| 15:30.28 | udunnoknow | it just install the version 7 |
| 15:30.39 | DawnLight | i did hda |
| 15:30.45 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: so i'm thinking my next step should be "update-grub" |
| 15:30.48 | ToHellWithGA | would that be correct? |
| 15:30.48 | Oggu | \amethyst: where is that configuration? |
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| 15:30.56 | \amethyst | Oggu: /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 15:31.09 | DawnLight | i think i should be in runlevel 1 |
| 15:31.24 | udunnoknow | I red that there will be the version 9 in 4.0r2, is there no support know? |
| 15:31.26 | \amethyst | Oggu: that line tells it to set environment variables from the /etc/default/locale file whenever someone logs in with ssh |
| 15:32.00 | \amethyst | Oggu: there are similar entries in the PAM configs for other services |
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| 15:33.01 | ToHellWithGA | http://pastebin.ca/790694 is what i currently have in /boot/grub/ |
| 15:33.10 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, I think you need grub-install /dev/sda4 |
| 15:33.32 | ToHellWithGA | i don't see a menu.lst yet so it's definitely not complete |
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| 15:35.12 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: does grub as it's installed in debian have a menu.lst like i have in ubuntu listing my choices at boot time? |
| 15:35.41 | ToHellWithGA | i don't need it by any means, i'm just wondering if my thought process is flawed expecting it to be there |
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| 15:36.27 | Oggu | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/790700 |
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| 15:37.35 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, it does |
| 15:38.04 | tralala | if it isn't there you'd have to run grub-update to create it |
| 15:38.23 | Hoxzer | what should I do to the linux-sources-$(uname -r) in order it as /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ? |
| 15:38.36 | row_ | Does Debian's default postifx/php setup force return path in emails to www-data@<hostname> |
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| 15:38.39 | Hoxzer | and yes, I dont want to use headers |
| 15:38.44 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, time to leave, good luck! |
| 15:38.57 | \amethyst | Oggu: do dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure that en_US.UTF-8 is selected |
| 15:39.00 | row_ | I can't see anything in my postfix config or php but I am setting From: header and even trying Return-Path header and seems to be getting changed. |
| 15:39.15 | \amethyst | Oggu: For that matter, make sure the "locales" package is installed |
| 15:39.26 | ToHellWithGA | thanks man, looks like i have it |
| 15:39.36 | ToHellWithGA | i appreciate the help tralala. have a good one |
| 15:39.38 | \amethyst | Oggu: gtg now, good luck |
| 15:40.02 | Oggu | installing that package no |
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| 15:40.07 | Oggu | wreconfigure then? |
| 15:40.22 | \amethyst | Oggu: it should do the configuration when it installs |
| 15:40.41 | Knight_Lord | xdriinfo is segfaulting. Can anyone suggest a possible explanation? |
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| 15:41.32 | robboplus | is it true that gcc 4.2.2 will cause much lower cpu usage for apps compiled with it in comparison to 4.1.x? |
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| 15:42.45 | Knight_Lord | robboplus no, but it might run faster |
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| 15:43.33 | netgear | abrotman, im back still no 3g solution is working |
| 15:43.55 | netgear | according to people option cards are supported by my kernel |
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| 15:45.04 | robboplus | Knight_Lord can the difference be noticable? like more than 1% faster? |
| 15:45.19 | robboplus | someone is telling me that new gcc made his app run 50% faster and much lower cpu |
| 15:46.03 | Knight_Lord | robboplus i guess it can happen but that's certainly not the average |
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| 15:46.48 | minerale | how can I make a bit per bit exact copy of a red book cd ? ( traditional music cd) |
| 15:47.09 | minerale | I used dd to extract the image, not sure how to burn it |
| 15:47.20 | minerale | it's not a valid `iso` per se |
| 15:47.21 | robboplus | Knight_Lord hm |
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| 15:47.51 | methods[laptop] | whats the difference between guided-entire-disk and guided-entire-disk-with-lvm ? |
| 15:48.02 | cast | the later uses lvm |
| 15:48.19 | cast | is your question really 'what is lvm?' |
| 15:48.22 | methods[laptop] | yes but isn't lvm just the term for how linux has a vfs with mounts and stuff ? |
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| 15:48.34 | cast | !lvm |
| 15:48.34 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 15:48.35 | methods[laptop] | ditto.. |
| 15:48.50 | dryrot | openbsd Theo ? |
| 15:48.57 | methods[laptop] | !sexy |
| 15:49.00 | methods[laptop] | heh |
| 15:49.04 | methods[laptop] | !lvm_tutorial |
| 15:49.04 | dpkg | lvm_tutorial is probably ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 15:49.27 | cast | lvm is good. i suggest you use it, it adds a tiny bit of complication for a lot of flexability and power |
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| 15:49.45 | methods[laptop] | wonna just give me a 3 word description ? |
| 15:49.53 | Zippy2 | dev.riseup.net? |
| 15:50.04 | mutek | add and remove disks without manually moving files around. |
| 15:50.24 | mutek | that was 9 words. |
| 15:50.41 | cast | 'logical volume management' is about the best 3 word descript that is possible...:P |
| 15:50.52 | DawnLight | ah sounds fly |
| 15:51.06 | mutek | virtual storage method? |
| 15:51.10 | methods[laptop] | :.[ |
| 15:52.38 | cast | with lvm instead of having partitions with filesystems, you have your filesystems sitting on logical volumes, and the logical volumes can be anything, a disk, two disks, 3 disks, a network block device and a disk, an encrypted block device..etc...and you can expand and resize them. so when you run out of space on /home, you simply plug in a new sata drive, add it to the logical volume and grow the filesystem to spread across both the old and new disk. ... |
| 15:52.45 | cast | ... all without remounting or stopping work |
| 15:53.31 | cast | they also enable rw snapshots which is useful in some situations |
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| 15:54.14 | methods[laptop] | um so its like a raid ? |
| 15:54.31 | mutek | nope, nothing like raid. |
| 15:54.39 | methods[laptop] | ok sounds cool anyway though |
| 15:54.44 | mutek | raid is about redundancy of storage |
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| 15:54.56 | cast | i have a server with very limited disk space, i use lvm on it, but since i don't know precisely how big /usr /home and /var should be, i made them all small with a lot of unallocated space on the drive. each time i start to run out of space, say on /usr, ill grow it to be a little bit bigger and take up some of the slack space |
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| 15:54.58 | mutek | lvm is about adding disks when you need some more storage without moving files. |
| 15:55.27 | methods[laptop] | so by saying logical volume you mean you create an extended partition and then have logical partitions... or completely remove the idea of partitions ? then what ? you have slabs of hd space ? |
| 15:55.57 | mutek | lvm is a layer above partitions, but operates a bit like having adjustable partiitions wihtout having to re-partition. |
| 15:56.13 | cast | a logical volume is part of a volume group, a volume group is made up of physical volumes, which could be a primay partition or a logical partition or an entire drive |
| 15:56.14 | methods[laptop] | yea i think i read about this a long ti ago |
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| 15:56.50 | mutek | cast: If I recall correctly, drives don't need to be physically on the same machine? |
| 15:57.09 | methods[laptop] | hey anyone know of any good syslog interfaces something like kiko for winblowz so i can give something to my other coworkers that they can work with ? |
| 15:57.28 | methods[laptop] | oh they dont ? so your saying this could be a replacement for something like nfs ? |
| 15:57.32 | cast | mutek: well, with things like nbd.ko even without lvm a drive wouldn't need to be local |
| 15:57.50 | cast | lvm will let you use anything that looks like a block device AFAIK |
| 15:57.57 | mutek | cast: fair point :-) |
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| 16:01.21 | cast | just use lvm :P even if you hate it you should be familar with it, i can think of more situations where you'd wished you had used it than you wished you hadn't |
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| 16:07.45 | row_ | Does the Debian postfix package have some setting somewhere that forces username@hostname in return path on all mail being sent via sendmail command? |
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| 16:07.53 | row_ | and if so how does one stop it forcing the return path |
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| 16:08.55 | row_ | ah think I might of found it. |
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| 16:10.56 | row_ | Nope no luck. |
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| 16:14.37 | lord_rob | Hi ! What is the best way to configure a wireless network interface in a laptop with debian ? The laptop could either be using unencrypted network or WEP or WPA. I have found this tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/312 It seems interesting but it is tagged as outdated and some comments sugest "better" alternatives. What do you think ? |
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| 16:15.05 | robboplus | can you have gcc 4.2.x on etch? |
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| 16:16.10 | unixipher | hi, does wget support regex? |
| 16:17.12 | SlayerXP | unixipher: what does "man wget" suggest? |
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| 16:17.39 | cast | robboplus: i'm sure you can, but its not in etch |
| 16:17.50 | unixipher | SlayerXP, so sorry :) |
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| 16:18.32 | robboplus | cast i mean are there any troubles coming if i try it on 32-bit debian like etch? |
| 16:18.34 | cast | lord_rob: i think for encryption just using openvpn is a good idea, don't have much faith in the wireless encryption protocols given their history |
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| 16:18.46 | sdasdasd | hi, how can i create a 100 mb big file with dd? ( only zeros ) |
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| 16:19.19 | keith4 | sdasdasd: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1M count=100 |
| 16:19.20 | cast | sdasdasd: sparse or actually full of zeros? |
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| 16:20.29 | cast | 'he file system transparently converts reads from empty sections into blocks filled with zero bytes at runtime.' ahh :) |
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| 16:21.52 | jelly | cast: sparse is ok if you don't plan to actually use all of it. |
| 16:22.15 | lord_rob | cast: wpa is much more secure than wep open anyway |
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| 16:22.51 | lord_rob | cast: up to you to use openvpn above it |
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| 16:24.55 | sarefo | hi, i'm on etch, and apt-get install qt4-designer installed qt 4.2.1 on my machine (i guess ;). any idea how i could get a newer version? (eg 4.3) |
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| 16:26.31 | azeem | sarefo: upgrade to testing, or see whether there's a backport on backports.org |
| 16:26.48 | cast | dpm |
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| 16:27.35 | sarefo | azeem: are there any serious pitfalls when migrating to testing? etch is my first debian distro, so i never did it before. |
| 16:27.59 | azeem | sarefo: it's not stable, enough said |
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| 16:28.07 | azeem | sarefo: are you a Qt developer? |
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| 16:29.14 | sarefo | azeem: yes, why? |
| 16:29.28 | azeem | I guess it makes sense to use testing then |
| 16:30.26 | sarefo | i ask, because in other projects testing would be like my machine is likely to explode, but from what i understand debian testing is nice. iirc i even got etch when it was testing, and had no trouble ever. |
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| 16:30.49 | sarefo | what i ment, upgrading to testing *normally* does not break my distrib, right? :) |
| 16:30.59 | azeem | sarefo: it's still not as stable as stable, but should be fine for desktops and development machines |
| 16:31.04 | azeem | it shouldn#t |
| 16:31.12 | azeem | sarefo: do you run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:31.17 | abrotman | sarefo: some things may break from time to time ... such as VLC hasn't been installable for months .. but it's mostly okay |
| 16:31.55 | sarefo | 2.6-17-2 |
| 16:32.05 | sarefo | i'm using mplayer anyway |
| 16:34.13 | sarefo | how do i upgrade from etch to lenny, then? |
| 16:35.14 | abrotman | !tell sarefo about etch->lenny |
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| 16:37.20 | ToHellWithGA | i want to build madwifi on this laptop on which i just installed debian but have no wireless interfaces detected yet. i installed build-essential from the 4.0r1 CD i used to install debian but am getting errors when running "make" |
| 16:37.40 | cahoot | ToHellWithGA: use module-assistant |
| 16:37.43 | ToHellWithGA | am i missing some crucial configuration step before i can build madwifi from svn? |
| 16:38.02 | ToHellWithGA | cahoot: i'd like to do that but i need debian's madwifi package to do that |
| 16:38.14 | ToHellWithGA | s/package/packages/ |
| 16:38.31 | ToHellWithGA | can they be downloaded independently then installed manually using dpkg? |
| 16:38.36 | cahoot | ToHellWithGA: installed build-essential? |
| 16:38.44 | ToHellWithGA | yes, it was on the install disc |
| 16:38.53 | ToHellWithGA | as was module-assistant |
| 16:39.03 | ToHellWithGA | just not the madwifi packages XD |
| 16:39.36 | cahoot | ToHellWithGA: the problem being not net connection atm on the laptop? |
| 16:40.03 | ToHellWithGA | right, i don't have a wire to plug in |
| 16:40.10 | hackintosh | hey guys iam freaking out i have multiple smtp servers running sendmail. the loadbalancing is done via roundrobbing of dns requests. only two of the servers have a bad performance. the sendmail config is equal, swap too... any idea or hint where i can check? |
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| 16:40.38 | abrotman | are the servers equal ? |
| 16:40.40 | cahoot | ToHellWithGA: AKA catch 22 |
| 16:40.51 | hackintosh | jeah all the same blades |
| 16:40.56 | abrotman | ToHellWithGA: you'd have to grab CD1 .. and grab the madwifi-sources from etch |
| 16:41.06 | fundesktop | is that ftp-master thingy down again? no updates in unstable since some days or so |
| 16:41.17 | sarefo | thx so far abrotman, i'll try to upgrade to lenny later, have been on etch since 20060810, it's time to calm down a bit ;) |
| 16:41.49 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 16:43.02 | ToHellWithGA | abrotman: /j #madwifi |
| 16:43.08 | ToHellWithGA | abrotman: sorry |
| 16:43.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:43.34 | ToHellWithGA | what i mean to say was "abrotman: how do i know which release to pick?" |
| 16:43.45 | abrotman | you're on etch aren't you? |
| 16:43.46 | ToHellWithGA | i need support for the atheros 5418 chipset |
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| 16:44.26 | ToHellWithGA | i know it's in the svn source i have checked out but don't know how to identify which revision is in debian's package |
| 16:44.29 | abrotman | well .. there's one release already prepared for use with etch |
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| 16:44.48 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/etch/madwifi-source |
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| 16:46.14 | ToHellWithGA | would the lenny or side releases be buildable on etch? |
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| 16:47.52 | abrotman | ToHellWithGA: likely yes .. but what's wrong with the one in etch ? |
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| 16:49.04 | ToHellWithGA | i haven't given it a go yet, i just didn't know how recently it was revised to support newer chipsets |
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| 16:49.26 | ToHellWithGA | since i have to reboot after downloading the packages i guess i'll just get all three and use whichever works |
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| 16:50.19 | eth01 | how could i search for this file - moinmaster.py |
| 16:50.38 | abrotman | locate |
| 16:50.57 | abrotman | ToHellWithGA: the driver hasnt changed much in a year |
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| 16:53.44 | crumblenaut | is webmin supported on lenny/testing? |
| 16:53.51 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 16:53.51 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 16:53.51 | crumblenaut | i notice there is no package on packages.debian.org |
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| 16:54.32 | nkuttler | reL: we got the message, stop it already |
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| 16:54.38 | ToHellWithGA | lol crumblenaut |
| 16:54.39 | methods[laptop] | is there meta packages for installing xfce and everything i would want with it ? |
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| 16:54.56 | ToHellWithGA | you did read what was !'d, right? |
| 16:55.02 | crumblenaut | yeah, funny :) |
| 16:55.03 | azeem | methods[laptop]: what is "everything you would want with it"? |
| 16:55.11 | azeem | methods[laptop]: otherwise, apt-get install xfce4 I think |
| 16:55.25 | methods[laptop] | azeem... idk like desktop stuff... you knw how you can use aptitude to install desktop category adn stuff |
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| 16:55.49 | methods[laptop] | isn't there multiple parts to xfce and other things to make ti work well |
| 16:56.00 | abrotman | crumblenaut: webmin was removed awhile ago .. that URL does give a decent explanation .. and there is that little "If you can't admin a box without webmin, you shouldn't be adminning the box" |
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| 16:57.51 | methods[laptop] | is there an easy way to setup my sources file ? |
| 16:58.02 | zeeble | edit it with an editor |
| 16:58.06 | zeeble | or use apt-setup |
| 16:58.09 | methods[laptop] | i knew you were gonna say that |
| 16:58.28 | methods[laptop] | dont seem to have that command |
| 16:58.30 | zeeble | sorry |
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| 16:59.08 | white_bird_one | hola |
| 16:59.12 | white_bird_one | alguien por aqui |
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| 16:59.30 | nkuttler | !es |
| 16:59.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:59.47 | white_bird_one | ok thank |
| 16:59.49 | methods[laptop] | how do i find out what repo would i find xfce on ? |
| 16:59.55 | abrotman | zeeble: apt-setup is gone |
| 17:00.04 | abrotman | methods[laptop]: they all should have it |
| 17:00.13 | methods[laptop] | ah it was xfce4 |
| 17:00.14 | zeeble | abrotman: o |
| 17:00.17 | amphi | !ops on join porn spam from [SaSsSy-GiRL] |
| 17:00.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: amphi complains about: on join porn spam from [SaSsSy-GiRL] |
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| 17:00.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@88.240.43.163] by azeem |
| 17:00.30 | *** kick/#debian [[SaSsSy-GiRL]!n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-44-7.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
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| 17:00.33 | methods[laptop] | yea but my apt list looks pretty shy... i think i should have more repos no ? |
| 17:00.42 | white_bird_one | a ver donde estas |
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| 17:00.43 | troubled | azeem: i hope you verified that :) |
| 17:00.45 | amphi | azeem: thanks |
| 17:00.46 | white_bird_one | gerardo |
| 17:00.50 | white_bird_one | di hola |
| 17:00.51 | Gerardo | hola |
| 17:01.02 | Gerardo | que tal |
| 17:01.09 | amphi | troubled: <[SaSsSy-GiRL]> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 17:01.29 | troubled | amphi: i believe it, im just saying :) |
| 17:01.31 | white_bird_one | #debian-es |
| 17:01.45 | Gerardo | #debian-es |
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| 17:02.02 | azeem | troubled: amphi is a regular |
| 17:02.04 | white_bird_one | join #debian-es |
| 17:02.09 | nkuttler | white_bird_one: "/join #debian-es" |
| 17:02.23 | troubled | nod |
| 17:02.38 | S4nD3r | Is there a software or command to setup services to run when SO is started? |
| 17:02.42 | S4nD3r | lenny. |
| 17:02.54 | nkuttler | S4nD3r: so? |
| 17:03.10 | S4nD3r | services in init |
| 17:03.22 | nkuttler | S4nD3r: man update-rc.d |
| 17:03.23 | S4nD3r | how to disable some? |
| 17:03.39 | nkuttler | S4nD3r: or have a look at rcconf |
| 17:03.55 | RichiH | amphi: klined |
| 17:04.04 | eth01 | why doesn't locate resolv.conf work. |
| 17:04.11 | S4nD3r | theres no rcconf |
| 17:04.15 | abrotman | eth01: updatedb && locate resolv.conf |
| 17:04.16 | amphi | RichiH: thanks |
| 17:04.18 | jelly | S4nD3r: install it? |
| 17:04.25 | RichiH | np |
| 17:04.31 | methods[laptop] | so there is nothing fancy like source o matic for ubuntu |
| 17:04.32 | methods[laptop] | ? |
| 17:04.54 | nkuttler | methods[laptop]: how are we supposed to know what that is? /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:05.19 | eth01 | S4nD3r: there is a r resolv.conf |
| 17:05.26 | jelly | methods[laptop]: ubuntu has about 3000 supported package sources. Debian has a bit more. |
| 17:05.46 | jelly | er, source packages, not packages sources |
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| 17:08.26 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
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| 17:08.39 | methods[laptop] | yes esactly so i would like to kno about all the jazy repos |
| 17:09.24 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18715 packages, 1729 maintainers, 42065 MB installed size, 13766 MB compressed size. |
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| 17:10.25 | mesutt | hi,im getting "No space left on device" error,but ive %50 / free |
| 17:11.02 | cahoot | mesutt: df -i says so too? |
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| 17:11.18 | mesutt | /dev/sda1 64G 29G 33G 47% / |
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| 17:11.52 | cahoot | mesutt: df -i |
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| 17:12.31 | mesutt | df -h was the last command i could give,now not responding |
| 17:12.40 | abrotman | not responding? |
| 17:12.47 | methods[laptop] | is xdm a good choice for a light pc that i just want to run xfce on ? |
| 17:12.50 | mesutt | cant ssh into it |
| 17:13.20 | mesutt | http://pastebin.ca/790855 |
| 17:13.24 | zeeble | methods[laptop]: you dont really need to run a dm on it, do you? |
| 17:13.49 | abrotman | methods[laptop]: that's fine if you want a DM |
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| 17:14.18 | abrotman | mesutt: and then the machine died ? |
| 17:14.28 | methods[laptop] | yea i run xdm but i got no output and it didn' start |
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| 17:14.38 | mesutt | hope it does not |
| 17:14.43 | mesutt | www server :| |
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| 17:15.09 | abrotman | methods[laptop]: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 17:15.33 | methods[laptop] | hm |
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| 17:15.45 | mesutt | cahoot, may df -i can say different that df -h ? |
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| 17:16.01 | mesutt | i mean,a difference about 20 gigs |
| 17:16.06 | abrotman | mesutt: very much so |
| 17:16.11 | mesutt | doh |
| 17:16.17 | abrotman | mesutt: -i measures inodes .. -h measures bytes used |
| 17:16.21 | mesutt | i hope its not a harddrive failure |
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| 17:16.30 | methods[laptop] | again no results and no output in /var/log/xdm |
| 17:16.31 | abrotman | or filesystem failure |
| 17:16.41 | mesutt | fs is much worse |
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| 17:16.45 | mesutt | fs failure * |
| 17:16.47 | cahoot | reiser? |
| 17:16.51 | mesutt | cause it has raid setup |
| 17:16.56 | mesutt | ext3 |
| 17:17.20 | mesutt | i wont touch it,waiting its admin |
| 17:17.30 | mesutt | im not responsible from that box actually |
| 17:17.33 | jelly | mesutt: those are measure completely different things, so there's nothing suspicious if the number differ as well |
| 17:17.48 | methods[laptop] | um heh it would probably help if i had x installed right ? |
| 17:17.59 | methods[laptop] | :p .. see why didn't xfce4 depend on x ? |
| 17:18.07 | zeeble | geez |
| 17:18.10 | mesutt | damn,a bad day ...! |
| 17:18.19 | mesutt | *lights another cigar |
| 17:18.54 | abrotman | methods[laptop]: remote X |
| 17:18.55 | methods[laptop] | i actually have x11-common xbase-clients and xdm and xfce4 im still missing more right ? |
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| 17:19.02 | abrotman | methods[laptop]: aptitude install xorg |
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| 17:19.24 | methods[laptop] | should i have used aptitude to install xfce instead of apt-get ? |
| 17:19.30 | abrotman | mesutt: this is the part where you hide in the corner "I DIDN'T TOUCH IT!!!" |
| 17:19.56 | zeeble | downloading the netintall iso before i do a fresh clean install on this laptop |
| 17:19.57 | cahoot | well his ssh session will tell |
| 17:19.57 | mesutt | abrotman, actually i cant touch it too,cause i dont have a shell access |
| 17:20.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 17:20.29 | mesutt | abrotman, was asking him online,to give those commands |
| 17:20.29 | jelly | do shell, but have access to df -i and df -h? |
| 17:20.34 | jelly | s/do/no/ |
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| 17:20.51 | mesutt | now hes coming,and ssh is responding,httpd is responding,but still same error |
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| 17:21.19 | abrotman | jelly: you know .. tty7 is set to constantly echo df -h .. you don't have that? :) |
| 17:21.19 | mesutt | jelly, asking the owner to do df -h etc |
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| 17:21.36 | mesutt | lol |
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| 17:22.04 | jelly | mesutt: do you have lsof installed? |
| 17:22.22 | mesutt | im no root of that box jelly |
| 17:22.33 | mesutt | waiting him to arrive |
| 17:22.39 | abrotman | you don't have to be root to use df -i |
| 17:22.43 | jelly | mesutt: that doesn't answer the question, really. does df -i show all indoes are used? |
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| 17:23.22 | mesutt | abrotman, the only user have shell is root on that box |
| 17:23.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:23.38 | abrotman | jelly: are you confused too? :) |
| 17:23.42 | mesutt | lol |
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| 17:23.48 | mesutt | here it is: |
| 17:24.01 | jelly | I bet someone "optimized" the number of inodes while mkfsing |
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| 17:24.24 | mesutt | he called me that the server has a hardware failure,and claims that no space left,i asked output of df -h, |
| 17:24.33 | jelly | the other option is an app has gone awry and created zillions of files |
| 17:24.39 | mesutt | i gave me some output,as i pasted above,and he is on the way now |
| 17:24.53 | mesutt | abrotman, clear enough now ;) |
| 17:25.00 | mesutt | i / he |
| 17:25.10 | methods[laptop] | it appears that the source list has "etch" in the word list but in the example source list file in the usr/share/doc it doesn't... why is this ? |
| 17:25.22 | jelly | /dev/sda6 1966080 630690 1335390 33% /usr/src <-- (zillions_of_files / 3) |
| 17:25.47 | jelly | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 17:25.58 | methods[laptop] | and what is stable ? |
| 17:26.06 | abrotman | stable is currently etch |
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| 17:26.07 | pickcoder | I need help finding a LDAP gateway for NIS. I'm turing up zilch in apt. |
| 17:26.13 | mesutt | httpd responds but: open(/var/lib/php4/sess_1f7a14cb580383d33389441584ebbbf8, O_RDWR) failed: No space left on device (28) |
| 17:27.21 | jelly | mesutt: wait for your root. without a shell you won't be able to provide useful info |
| 17:27.21 | pickcoder | I've found several NIS gateways that serve from LDAP, but I need the opposite |
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| 17:27.34 | mesutt | yeah |
| 17:27.34 | Th|sD|cK | hey my network is down, i don't know how fix it, what i need check? |
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| 17:28.00 | jelly | pickcoder: you want to use nis as a ldap backend, or fake a ldap server with data from nis? |
| 17:28.11 | hjb | Th|sD|cK Good news: it's not down! We can hear you :) |
| 17:28.14 | mesutt | Th|sD|cK, youre pretty online |
| 17:28.15 | abrotman | Th|sD|cK: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:28.39 | Th|sD|cK | yes, in my debian pc is down |
| 17:28.41 | jelly | pickcoder: I don't know the answer, but boy do you have a screwed up setup. ;-) |
| 17:28.55 | pickcoder | fake ldap from nis |
| 17:28.55 | Ronin | Th|sD|cK: nic working? cables plugged in? right gateway etc. |
| 17:29.10 | pickcoder | I was pressed for time to get a mailgateway setup |
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| 17:29.21 | pickcoder | nis was the quickest way to get names/aliases over to it |
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| 17:29.39 | mesutt | but jelly while waiting him,we may check what this is : |
| 17:29.42 | mesutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.42 | mesutt | Unknown HZ value! (29) Assume 100. |
| 17:29.42 | mesutt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.45 | mesutt | another box |
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| 17:30.23 | Th|sD|cK | Ronin, yes cabled plugged in, next i do /etc/inet.d/networking restart is all clear, ifconfig and route |
| 17:30.24 | pickcoder | currently looking at migrationtools |
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| 17:30.47 | abrotman | mesutt: just wait for the admin |
| 17:30.51 | mesutt | Th|sD|cK, can you ping the router |
| 17:30.55 | Th|sD|cK | no |
| 17:30.55 | mesutt | abrotman, its another box |
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| 17:31.07 | Th|sD|cK | now i do ifonfig no eth0 show |
| 17:31.11 | mesutt | abrotman, where root is me |
| 17:31.20 | sarefo | when running apt-get dist-upgrade etch->lenny: 'the following packages will be removed: ... gimp ...'. why? |
| 17:31.29 | abrotman | mesutt: it's not broken |
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| 17:31.44 | mesutt | Th|sD|cK, ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 17:31.46 | abrotman | sarefo: once you upgrade .. you should be able to install it again |
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| 17:32.10 | methods[laptop] | hey isn't there a xdm console based login too ? |
| 17:32.13 | sarefo | but why is it removed? :) |
| 17:32.14 | Th|sD|cK | mesutt, negative, ifconfig eth0 in down now, i try to restart |
| 17:32.27 | mesutt | i mean do an ifconfig eth0 up |
| 17:32.34 | mesutt | ah |
| 17:32.35 | jelly | mesutt: sarge? |
| 17:32.43 | mesutt | jelly, no |
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| 17:32.51 | mesutt | pretty old distro,unitedlinux |
| 17:33.08 | mesutt | Th|sD|cK, did you installed a new nic to that box ? or replaced old one |
| 17:33.18 | mesutt | udev creates new nodes,name may change |
| 17:33.24 | mesutt | eth1 ie |
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| 17:33.38 | jelly | mesutt: we don't support unitedlinux here |
| 17:33.41 | Th|sD|cK | i'm restarting system |
| 17:33.43 | abrotman | sarefo: it's dependencies might not be able to be satisfied |
| 17:33.55 | mesutt | unitedlinux is not supported by anyone jelly ,its too old ;) |
| 17:33.56 | methods[laptop] | can i probe for larger resolutions ? |
| 17:34.15 | mesutt | ps package is from 2003 |
| 17:34.19 | mesutt | i cant find any updat |
| 17:34.20 | mesutt | e |
| 17:34.20 | abrotman | mesutt: it's RPM based .. |
| 17:34.26 | mesutt | yeah |
| 17:34.30 | abrotman | debian is not |
| 17:34.31 | mesutt | and its like sles |
| 17:34.44 | jelly | mesutt: so it's nothing unusual it has bugs similar to a debian system released in the same period. |
| 17:35.09 | jelly | mesutt: install debian on it, get help here. |
| 17:35.11 | mesutt | kernel bug,or packages bug |
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| 17:35.32 | abrotman | mesutt: it's likely a filesystem error .. do a filesystem check .. and ask ##linux |
| 17:35.42 | jelly | mesutt: as for the HZ thing, you can just ignore that particular message, it won't harm anyone. |
| 17:35.58 | abrotman | mesutt: and tell fieldy we said hello! :) |
| 17:36.12 | mesutt | jelly, yeah i know (learned this morning),just a bit disturbing |
| 17:36.21 | jelly | mesutt: no, it's not. |
| 17:36.45 | methods[laptop] | why dont i have xorgconfig ? |
| 17:36.52 | jelly | 4 year old free software has bugs. Shock horror! |
| 17:37.06 | abrotman | methods[laptop]: you don't need it |
| 17:37.07 | methods[laptop] | help |
| 17:37.17 | methods[laptop] | how do i fix up my resolutions then ? |
| 17:37.32 | methods[laptop] | the screen is rolling off the right edge and i know i can get higher res |
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| 17:38.04 | mesutt | abrotman, your hi delivered |
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| 17:38.22 | mesutt | but he seems away |
| 17:38.31 | abrotman | huh? |
| 17:38.33 | abrotman | oh |
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| 17:38.59 | methods[laptop] | i mean it did a really good job at detecting stuff... but my mouse seems a bit funny thats a simple protocol change.. but what about all the other options ? does debian provide some type of graphical configuration tool ? |
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| 17:39.16 | S4nD3r | is possible to play mp3 in totem? |
| 17:39.27 | methods[laptop] | it looks like i got some big resolutions in xorg.conf but they aren't taking i wonder why |
| 17:39.33 | jelly | pickcoder: found this with a 'ldap proxy nis.backend' query: http://www.idtopia.com/blog/2007/03/01/nis-to-ldap-migration-using-penrose/ |
| 17:39.37 | rahul | methods[laptop]: read the X server logs |
| 17:39.45 | rahul | methods[laptop]: might be refresh rate limits or something |
| 17:39.58 | abrotman | S4nD3r: yes |
| 17:40.05 | methods[laptop] | i have a generic monitor section... with option dpms... nothing else |
| 17:40.15 | S4nD3r | which plugin I must install? |
| 17:40.21 | rahul | methods[laptop]: and what does that have to do with what I said? |
| 17:40.26 | mesutt | jelly, actually #suse may be the place to get help for unitedlinux,but mp3 divx and vga 3D problems are flying there,only |
| 17:40.40 | rahul | methods[laptop]: and you want a graphical tool to configure the graphical environment? utter genius. |
| 17:40.44 | methods[laptop] | nothing but in context refresh rate has everything to do with monitor |
| 17:40.46 | rahul | ugh |
| 17:40.57 | rahul | methods[laptop]: and what does it have to do with what I SAID? |
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| 17:41.00 | methods[laptop] | lol common dont be mean |
| 17:41.05 | methods[laptop] | ill look... |
| 17:41.08 | rahul | methods[laptop]: don't be dumb |
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| 17:41.27 | methods[laptop] | well i never used no graphical tool i come from slackware and we just used xorgconfig |
| 17:41.34 | rahul | and I'm no common person |
| 17:41.42 | methods[laptop] | but im setting up a cheap little pc that coworkers wil use too so graphical stuff would be nice |
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| 17:41.49 | abrotman | man xorg.conf |
| 17:41.56 | rahul | methods[laptop]: you must have problems understanding english |
| 17:41.59 | jelly | pickcoder: the software is actually at http://docs.safehaus.org/display/PENROSE/Home , quote: Starting from version 1.2 Penrose supports an adapter for Network Information Service. With the NIS adapter, all NIS data are translated in real-time into LDAP data. NIS protocol is read-only, so the NIS tree presented by Penrose is also read-only. |
| 17:42.11 | methods[laptop] | yes i can find my way around xorg.conf... but debian obviously probbed my system and generated one |
| 17:42.22 | Eulex | rahul, eh, take it easy |
| 17:42.24 | rahul | methods[laptop]: what is your native language? there are channels devoted to non-english speakers |
| 17:42.27 | dimbit | where can I get old cd images? I need 3.1 (sarge I think...) |
| 17:43.35 | methods[laptop] | ok im reading the logs looks like im missing some fonts... |
| 17:43.36 | jelly | pickcoder: and hey, it's in Java, and it's commercial. That practically guarantees it's enterprise grade! |
| 17:43.45 | methods[laptop] | rahul: yuou dont have to be such a dick |
| 17:44.01 | rahul | methods[laptop]: you don't have to misread everything I say |
| 17:44.25 | azeem | rahul: there's no need to send people off to other chans who can obviously communicate reasonably well in english |
| 17:44.29 | abrotman | rahul: do you need a nap? |
| 17:44.35 | azeem | rahul: if you don't want to bear with their langugage, ignore them |
| 17:44.36 | rahul | I'm not helping you so that you can mumble about things I figure you already know |
| 17:44.37 | methods[laptop] | rahul: well im looking now... |
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| 17:44.54 | rahul | azeem: it's not _me_ who is having trouble reading what others say |
| 17:44.58 | methods[laptop] | its talking about some pci-to-isa bridge crap |
| 17:45.07 | jelly | rahul: you were being condescening there... <rahul> methods[laptop]: and you want a graphical tool to configure the graphical environment? utter genius. |
| 17:45.16 | abrotman | jelly: condescending? |
| 17:45.22 | abrotman | oh .. he was close :) |
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| 17:45.41 | jelly | it's not my keyboard, it's the brain running the fingers. |
| 17:46.52 | methods[laptop] | says hsync out of range and generic monitor settings |
| 17:46.55 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. Can anybody say me - what's the latest kernel in Lenny? |
| 17:47.09 | puchu | hi |
| 17:47.09 | Eulex | SchwarzeKrause, 2.6.22 |
| 17:47.09 | rahul | methods[laptop]: wonderful... now what is the hsync it is using |
| 17:47.14 | dimbit | 2.6.22 |
| 17:47.19 | SchwarzeKrause | Oh, damn) |
| 17:47.31 | puchu | h3sp4wn: did u try the debian openwrt install? |
| 17:47.35 | jelly | methods[laptop]: two important steps when troubleshooting X: pastebin your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log |
| 17:47.44 | r_a_f | SchwarzeKrause: also 2.6.18 or 2.6.21 |
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| 17:48.05 | SchwarzeKrause | I need 2.6.23 - because of my laptop's soundcard |
| 17:48.14 | methods[laptop] | generic: 28-33khz vrefresh 43-72 |
| 17:48.20 | r_a_f | ahh - compile then ? |
| 17:48.29 | abrotman | !KP |
| 17:48.29 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 17:48.31 | fisxoj | maybe you can compile alsa modules |
| 17:48.36 | Eulex | SchwarzeKrause, get etch, compile 2.6.23. |
| 17:48.58 | hjb | Is there a good channel for discussion of security problems? |
| 17:48.59 | cahoot | SchwarzeKrause: need alsa-1.0.15? |
| 17:49.14 | dimbit | anyone? old iso installer images for <3.1? |
| 17:49.14 | rahul | methods[laptop]: so the X server isn't getting a probe of the refresh... add it to the config |
| 17:49.17 | fisxoj | I have 2.6.23, but I need alsa 1.0.15, so I downloaded the source package and compiled them with m-a |
| 17:49.39 | SchwarzeKrause | Oh, wait. I can build alsa-driver with m-a, right? |
| 17:49.45 | fisxoj | yessah |
| 17:49.48 | cahoot | yes alsa-base-1.0.15 is in lenny |
| 17:50.07 | SchwarzeKrause | Is it alsa-lib or alsa-driver? |
| 17:50.13 | fisxoj | alsa-source |
| 17:50.20 | jelly | methods[laptop]: use "/msg dpkg drxx" to set up the numbers if you want xorg.conf to be handled by the system. |
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| 17:52.54 | methods[laptop] | jelly: oo drxx... sounds cool.. i dont seem to have that package in my repo |
| 17:54.09 | rahul | erm |
| 17:54.15 | rahul | jelly: see what I mean? |
| 17:54.23 | jelly | methods[laptop]: what package? |
| 17:54.33 | rahul | you tell him to do one thing and he takes just one word and runs off in a different direction with it |
| 17:55.01 | jelly | methods[laptop]: that's an irc command to type in and get some info from the bot |
| 17:55.37 | jelly | rahul: I'll play dumb for the time being. 3 strikes rules. |
| 17:55.52 | rahul | jelly: he already had 2 strikes with me :P |
| 17:56.01 | jelly | the person could have ADHD or something |
| 17:56.11 | methods[laptop] | dude like i would know that |
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| 17:56.21 | methods[laptop] | sorry i see now i was in a rush |
| 17:56.25 | rahul | sigh |
| 17:56.26 | azeem | how about you two discuss other participants in this channel privately? |
| 17:56.29 | rahul | exactly |
| 17:56.30 | methods[laptop] | i thought it was a pkg |
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| 17:57.11 | methods[laptop] | the configuration is fine i bet the monitor just doesn't have any of the new things that broadcast its abilities |
| 17:57.17 | rahul | methods[laptop]: don't guess. based on a fraction of what someone says. we try to be reasonably complete in what we tell you, because we know it's hard to guess at what things mean. |
| 17:57.19 | h3sp4wn | puchu: I did it once ages ago and came to the conclusion it was worthless for anything useful |
| 17:57.29 | methods[laptop] | rahul: no problem... |
| 17:57.51 | rahul | methods[laptop]: right, that's why we've been saying to specify it explicitly |
| 17:57.52 | puchu | h3sp4wn it seems that when i exec the debian init nothing happens |
| 17:58.04 | puchu | but chroot works nice |
| 17:58.10 | rahul | usually it can be probed but it's not working for some reason... |
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| 17:58.51 | methods[laptop] | rahul: well old monitors dont have those abilities righ t/ |
| 17:59.07 | h3sp4wn | puchu: don't use a chroot |
| 17:59.17 | jelly | methods[laptop]: yep, monitors from 2001 or earlier might not have DDC. |
| 17:59.46 | puchu | h3sp4wn why? |
| 18:00.10 | puchu | h3sp4wn init doesnt seem to come it ... i pivot_root at in preinit |
| 18:00.10 | gridl0ck | OT: can anyone tell me what temperature their T7500(laptop) (core 3 duo) runs at in debian/lenny ? |
| 18:00.23 | gridl0ck | core 2* |
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| 18:00.49 | rahul | methods[laptop]: REALLY old |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | gridl0ck: there's a few factors in that |
| 18:01.04 | rahul | you'd be lucky if such a monitor didn't have burn-in already |
| 18:01.12 | gridl0ck | abrotman, such as |
| 18:01.28 | gridl0ck | just normal idle with irssi/firefox/thunderbird running |
| 18:01.29 | abrotman | what the machine is doing.. the airflow/fans .. |
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| 18:01.36 | dalias | burn-in is a myth |
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| 18:01.47 | h3sp4wn | puchu: well if only for the fact that you can then be running debian as apposed to a debian chroot under openwrt |
| 18:01.54 | gridl0ck | airflow is fine - and apache2/snort in the background |
| 18:01.54 | dalias | created by companies selling screen savers |
| 18:01.57 | rahul | dalias: the internet is a myth |
| 18:02.01 | dalias | which are really power-wasters |
| 18:02.06 | gridl0ck | room is at 24C |
| 18:02.12 | rahul | dalias: actually, I've seen screen savers burn in monitors :P |
| 18:02.15 | abrotman | dalias: no it's not |
| 18:02.15 | puchu | h3sp4wn: isnt it possible to call init from debian in preinit? |
| 18:02.20 | dalias | rahul, haha indeed :) |
| 18:02.25 | rahul | (badly configured ones) |
| 18:02.32 | abrotman | dalias: you've never seen an old monitor with an image burnt in? |
| 18:02.35 | dalias | abrotman, on really old crappy hardware it's real |
| 18:02.41 | abrotman | dalias: so it's not a myth? |
| 18:02.44 | dalias | like the old black-and-orange |
| 18:02.48 | jelly | methods[laptop]: KVMs can screw with DDC too, or the drivers might be buggy. |
| 18:02.49 | abrotman | and old color also |
| 18:02.50 | methods[laptop] | i just plugged in a new nec accusync 70 im sure i thas it |
| 18:02.54 | dalias | the idea that it happens on anything modern is a myth |
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| 18:03.09 | dalias | i use monitors from the early 90s |
| 18:03.18 | abrotman | dalias: i have a cpq monitor from maybe four years ago with burn in .. now i don't know how long it sat with that screen .. but it's there |
| 18:03.25 | dalias | sadly i just dropped and broke my favorite one :( |
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| 18:03.29 | h3sp4wn | puchu: Don't know - You can just make your own initramfs and build it into the kernel to do whatever to boot from the usb stick that is what I did but as I say its far too slow to be of use for anything |
| 18:03.37 | dalias | cpq = compaq? |
| 18:03.42 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:03.53 | methods[laptop] | anyway this is all detected on the fly by xorg isn't it ? so if i just alt+ctrl+backspace it should reprobe ? |
| 18:03.54 | dalias | wow i knew they made crap but not that bad |
| 18:04.05 | abrotman | dalias: if you ask me when i'm at work .. i'll get you the model number (we have a few, but only one with the damage) |
| 18:04.13 | jelly | dalias: it's rebranded X |
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| 18:04.21 | dalias | sorry |
| 18:04.26 | dalias | s/made/rebranded/ |
| 18:04.27 | jelly | where X is a real monitor manuf. |
| 18:04.55 | utopia | is it possible to install firefox(not iceweasal) ? because iceweasal is so unstable |
| 18:05.04 | dalias | i've never seen burnin on a real quality monitor |
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| 18:05.17 | jelly | methods[laptop]: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf. |
| 18:05.23 | Pete_B | In what places can sshd be configured to only allow specific IPs _other_ than /etc/ssh[d]_config? |
| 18:05.31 | dalias | thankfully i hardly deal with new-pc-manuf-branded crap) |
| 18:05.36 | abrotman | dalias: it's not a great monitor .. but was probably sold in mass quantities with business class machines .. |
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| 18:05.55 | Eulex | utopia, iceweasel is just a rebranded firefox. official firefox will not be more stable. |
| 18:05.57 | nkuttler | utopia: just get it from their website... |
| 18:06.13 | W9ZEB | Pete_B: you could use iptables to limit where port 22 traffic is allowed from. |
| 18:06.13 | jelly | Pete_B: tcp_wrappers config, iptables, your firewall. |
| 18:06.28 | W9ZEB | Pete_B: or your upstream firewall if you have one :) |
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| 18:06.42 | W9ZEB | I use our nokia IP-350 running checkpoint to white list SSH traffic |
| 18:06.49 | Pete_B | jelly, W9ZEB: thanks I'll give them a look (this is the firewall) |
| 18:06.51 | methods[laptop] | hm no pidgin ? |
| 18:07.03 | W9ZEB | methods[laptop]: gaim is there. same song different dance. |
| 18:07.12 | methods[laptop] | yea i grew up with gaim |
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| 18:08.26 | methods[laptop] | one sec |
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| 18:10.15 | jcengineer | hey this is methods |
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| 18:10.50 | jcengineer | http://pastie.caboo.se/120261 |
| 18:10.50 | jcengineer | http://pastie.caboo.se/120262 |
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| 18:11.38 | elnovatillo | oh dammit why all my user setting are reseted !!!! i lost all my preferences |
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| 18:12.14 | capiira | accidentally deleted a directory of gnome or kde? |
| 18:12.27 | w0jtas` | hi, how can i enter interface into promiscuous mode / |
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| 18:15.31 | methods[laptop] | jelly ^^ my links are above |
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| 18:16.20 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, did you make it? |
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| 18:16.27 | methods[laptop] | from the log output it appears to me that xorg is auto detecting |
| 18:16.36 | abrotman | methods[laptop]: do you really have a 740 ? |
| 18:16.40 | methods[laptop] | i dont have to regenerate my config do i ? |
| 18:16.51 | elnovatillo | ok i give up!!! this sucks, its the 3rd time i try to move from windows to Linux debian, but it failed again, all my preferences are reseted dunno why, i lost all my NTFS drive, no support for industry standars like adobe products, thsi sucks really, i tried in 1999 then in 2003, now in 2007 linux still sucks, ill try in 2015 if linux still exists... of course |
| 18:16.57 | methods[laptop] | what video card ? that was all auto detected and yes i verified... this is a 400mhz |
| 18:17.02 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 18:17.13 | Ronin | k thanks for stopping by elnovatillo |
| 18:17.15 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: pebkac |
| 18:17.16 | capiira | w0jtas`, what are you trying ? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ntop.htm maybe that helps you |
| 18:17.18 | Eulex | methods[laptop], fix your hsync. or rather, add a correct one. |
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| 18:17.40 | methods[laptop] | Eulex: yes i know but im wondering if it autodetects the monitor on the fly ? |
| 18:17.50 | methods[laptop] | this machine is going to get moved around |
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| 18:18.03 | tralala | elnovatillo, if I were you I wouldn't try ever again |
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| 18:18.19 | Eulex | methods[laptop], "Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz" |
| 18:18.27 | Eulex | methods[laptop], 'default' |
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| 18:18.45 | jelly | wtf?! |
| 18:18.46 | methods[laptop] | i mean if it comes down to it ill make a script on the desktop for rescanning the hardware and generating a new config ... i need poeple to be able to plug this in... yes i read that... but thats probably the first time... let me see if it did it again with the new monitor |
| 18:18.47 | elnovatillo | ill try again then Gooogle Buys Debian |
| 18:18.48 | jelly | (--) I740(0): Steve was here! VideoRAM: 8192 kByte SDRAM |
| 18:18.54 | robboplus | what is the most friendly and safe mail server? exim? |
| 18:18.56 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: try ubuntu |
| 18:19.17 | elmo40 | methods[laptop]: nice... pebkac ;) |
| 18:19.25 | tralala | elnovatillo, linux is *not* a windows replacement and won't be in 2015 either |
| 18:19.28 | Eulex | methods[laptop], I'd recommend setting a mode that will work on all monitors. 1024x768 would prolly do. |
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| 18:19.45 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: still here? |
| 18:19.51 | methods[laptop] | Eulex: yea thats all i wnat i mean right now its giving me anxiety to use this 360x something desktop |
| 18:19.55 | elmo40 | Google can not purchase Debian |
| 18:19.58 | robboplus | [19:18:47] <elnovatillo> ill try again then Gooogle Buys Debian |
| 18:19.59 | Eulex | elnovatillo, it's adobe that doesn't support linux properly, not the other way. |
| 18:19.59 | robboplus | what? |
| 18:20.16 | robboplus | debian isn't a thing that can be "bought" |
| 18:20.21 | Ronin | robboplus: just ignore them, they're having a temper tantrum |
| 18:20.22 | tralala | elnovatillo, people run it because windows doesn't do the job. If it does for you, you've got no reason to switch to anything else. |
| 18:20.26 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: just use any other pdf reader... do you really want the bloated adobe anyway with all its new crap they put into it |
| 18:20.27 | robboplus | Ronin lol nice |
| 18:20.39 | robboplus | Ronin aka brainfarts? :) |
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| 18:21.00 | Eulex | methods[laptop], set a sufficient hsync, set it to use 1024x768. done. |
| 18:21.02 | methods[laptop] | hm does xorg truncate the logs each time ? |
| 18:21.04 | elnovatillo | oh come on, Google can buy anything.... including Debian if they want |
| 18:21.15 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: that is your problem? cant read a pdf? shit... get kpdf, xpdf... among many other FREE alternatives. |
| 18:21.19 | methods[laptop] | Eulex: is there a way for me to reset the hsync |
| 18:21.21 | robboplus | elnovatillo what's your point of being here? |
| 18:21.23 | Eulex | methods[laptop], it never does that. |
| 18:21.27 | jelly | methods[laptop]: your log is weird. |
| 18:21.27 | tralala | elnovatillo, of course they can - right after they buy Texas |
| 18:21.30 | elmo40 | robboplus: a PITA |
| 18:21.38 | robboplus | elmo40 lol |
| 18:21.40 | Eulex | methods[laptop], you add an entry in the config for your hsync. |
| 18:21.53 | methods[laptop] | jelly this is a new install but yes id concur on that statement |
| 18:22.03 | jelly | Eulex *cough*drxx*cough* |
| 18:22.06 | elmo40 | ok, who tried to PM me? |
| 18:22.16 | robboplus | tralala i heard rumours that coca-cola is about to buy google :) |
| 18:22.19 | methods[laptop] | Eulex: :\ so the only time it does probing is when xorg.conf is setup ? |
| 18:22.35 | methods[laptop] | jelly i havn't forgetten |
| 18:22.36 | tralala | robboplus, coca cola?! I thought it was Ford... |
| 18:22.39 | elnovatillo | im backing up my info then moving to windows Xp |
| 18:22.40 | Eulex | jelly, oh, right |
| 18:22.53 | Eulex | methods[laptop], it appears that it never probes anything. it uses a _default_ hsync and vrefresh. |
| 18:22.54 | tralala | elnovatillo, they say vista is great |
| 18:22.57 | capiira | elnovatillo, thanks for doing this :D |
| 18:22.58 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: i didnt know you moved away from windoze |
| 18:22.58 | robboplus | tralala Goooke is the new beverage, very secret stuff :) |
| 18:23.13 | elmo40 | and secure? |
| 18:23.14 | Ronin | elnovatillo: i highly recommand vista, it's the cats meow |
| 18:23.21 | capiira | so great that they offer a downgrade :D |
| 18:23.31 | elmo40 | here kity kity |
| 18:23.33 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: maybe you shouldn't be used a pc... try a mac you might be happier |
| 18:23.40 | elmo40 | methods[laptop]: ;) |
| 18:23.53 | methods[laptop] | elmo40: you like those right heh |
| 18:23.54 | elnovatillo | elmo40: honestly i dont give a penny whast the name of the OS: windows Vista or Pista , Mac OS, Google OS, debian ,etc, i want something what works with industry apps |
| 18:23.55 | robboplus | Ronin and the only os that can do more bad by definition than a typical rootkit :) |
| 18:23.55 | tralala | or a typewriter... |
| 18:23.58 | jelly | methods[laptop]: TBH I've switched back to managed xorg.conf just last week myself. |
| 18:24.17 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: so whats your malfunction then ? good bye... |
| 18:24.23 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: then get an OS that the industry tells you their apps run on! |
| 18:24.24 | tralala | elnovatillo, we laught at the type of apps you call "industry" |
| 18:24.39 | capiira | linux = alternative not a replacement there exist a lot of nice apps that is not available for linux yet libe adobe apps as you said but its also a question of price vs features |
| 18:24.41 | methods[laptop] | jelly what do you mean by managed ? |
| 18:24.54 | robboplus | just please, do not kick him yet... it's so good to have fun here from time to time :) |
| 18:25.00 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: i can run more apps on linux than i can on windows just not the ones you like... |
| 18:25.03 | jelly | methods[laptop]: managed by debconf (ie. that dpkg-reconfigure stuff) |
| 18:25.16 | elmo40 | methods[laptop]: so true! |
| 18:25.25 | tralala | I think we overwhelmed him :) |
| 18:25.35 | jelly | tralala: I think THBT |
| 18:25.37 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: take a look at http://nomachine.com if you want to centralize some windows applications |
| 18:25.39 | jelly | YHBT, even |
| 18:25.45 | capiira | 3000k for a adobe suite is simply too much and does not worth at all if you don't use it daily and make a lot of money with it |
| 18:25.51 | capiira | 3k :) |
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| 18:26.35 | tralala | jelly, that too... :/ |
| 18:26.42 | elnovatillo | capiira: yaeh they told me i can use Gimp, Gimp its a joke, its cavernarious |
| 18:26.50 | capiira | but sounds you use a keygen anyway so go xp |
| 18:26.50 | elmo40 | true |
| 18:26.55 | methods[laptop] | jelly yes sorry i heard you first time nad i have drxx message here but i was just looking for something on the fly im makin ga cheap little syslog server to catch some messages from some routers for my guys to take to clients... i just wnated it to catch monitor settings at x startup... but if its not possible ... might be good if i had some interactive tool for them to chang ethe settings and i just put a link on the desktop |
| 18:26.58 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: what do you really want to do? |
| 18:27.00 | methods[laptop] | did that get cut off ? |
| 18:27.23 | tralala | elmo40, to waste our time |
| 18:27.33 | tralala | and I have to admit he's good |
| 18:27.40 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: gimp is gimp... its not photoshop... if you dont like it dont use it... if you want photoshp supposedly runs well in wine.. .then you have emulators... then you have a mac again which has a native photoshop |
| 18:27.50 | elmo40 | tralala: true |
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| 18:27.58 | capiira | gimp is not a joke , its different and has things that adobe can't do and vise versa, its more a thing of do i really need that feature, does it worht the price of 3k$ etc. |
| 18:28.06 | jelly | methods[laptop]: so find the monitor user manual or just the specs and enter the horiz.sync / vert.refresh values manually |
| 18:28.09 | elmo40 | but still, adobe PS users can NOT become a Gimp user! |
| 18:28.25 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: gimp is a great peice of software... i wouldn't critize great works... i bet you cant even find the power button |
| 18:28.30 | elnovatillo | capiira: gimp is like notepad, compared to Word or Write |
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| 18:28.34 | capiira | where is the sense of paying 3k for adobe because of a feature that you use 1x a year ? |
| 18:28.35 | elmo40 | capiira: where is this $3k coming from? |
| 18:28.46 | jelly | elnovatillo: do you have a debian support question? |
| 18:28.56 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: but word2k7 is over bloated, so what. |
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| 18:29.03 | methods[laptop] | jelly again i want it to work for people like elnovatillo who dotn know wtf xorg is... lol im makinga simple desktop that will start and show a syslog window |
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| 18:29.13 | capiira | from their website :D |
| 18:29.24 | frog_ | hi, i can't install the old kernel ( 2.4.20 ) with aptitude any more, can i? |
| 18:29.25 | elmo40 | methods[laptop]: you are making something? any screenshots? ;) |
| 18:29.38 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: your brain is equivalant to notepad |
| 18:29.38 | jelly | methods[laptop]: I can't help you if you won't follow directions. |
| 18:29.53 | capiira | cs3 suite cost +/- 3k |
| 18:29.54 | elmo40 | frog_: dont think so. |
| 18:29.57 | frog_ | ok |
| 18:30.02 | frog_ | elmo40: thy |
| 18:30.17 | elmo40 | but you can get it from kernel.org and compile your own! ;) |
| 18:30.27 | methods[laptop] | jelly well your telling me to edit the xorg.conf righ t? if i set it to high wont that bomb out on a cheaper monitor... there should be some default specs for 17 inch monitors right ? i gues ill just put a sticky note on it... dont use anythign less than 17" other wise press ctrl+alt+[+|-] |
| 18:30.28 | tralala | frog_, 2.4.x support has been droped in etch |
| 18:30.48 | frog_ | tralala: i' on sid |
| 18:31.08 | methods[laptop] | elmo40: not yet... i mean i was just gonna make something really simple to pop up a tail -f of the syslog and maybe a link to the file... idk he just wants something to catch messages... he dont care if i print it out later... |
| 18:31.16 | frog_ | elmo40: yep, must do i ;oS |
| 18:31.33 | elmo40 | and get the latest 2.4... i think .32 maybe? |
| 18:31.39 | capiira | elnovatillo, you should more write down what you really need then compare if the equivalent linux apps can do that and if there exist workarounds for the few features that don't exist |
| 18:31.39 | jelly | methods[laptop]: NO. find the monitor brand and model. Google for the manual or the specs. note the specs. Use the command from /msg dpkg drxx to set the numbers. |
| 18:31.43 | Eulex | methods[laptop], please, he's quite obviously trolling |
| 18:31.44 | methods[laptop] | i really wonna learn debian more though and make small specialized installs.. and fry them to cd's... so i could have a live cd of anything i want |
| 18:31.56 | Eulex | capiira, and you too. |
| 18:31.56 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: still here? trying to draw stuff? |
| 18:31.58 | methods[laptop] | jelly yea xorg 101 :] |
| 18:31.59 | frog_ | elmo40: i need 4.20 |
| 18:32.05 | capiira | i did |
| 18:32.05 | methods[laptop] | Eulex: whos trolling ? |
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| 18:32.18 | elmo40 | frog_: a certain module only suported by .20? |
| 18:32.21 | capiira | even for distro vs distro :D |
| 18:32.26 | Eulex | methods[laptop], elnovatillo. |
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| 18:32.41 | frog_ | elmo40: yes, kind of... |
| 18:32.44 | methods[laptop] | Eulex: make fun of him... |
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| 18:32.55 | elmo40 | Eulex: there are 805 nicks in here... more then one troll! |
| 18:33.00 | capiira | debian fits best to me |
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| 18:33.47 | methods[laptop] | id love to learn how to take my installs and make them into live cd's |
| 18:34.11 | elmo40 | methods[laptop]: use dcclive, or whatever it is called |
| 18:34.29 | methods[laptop] | yea i remember there being libs to help but they weren't very mature yet back then |
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| 18:34.52 | elmo40 | a few distros are based off of it |
| 18:34.56 | elmo40 | Elive, for example |
| 18:35.34 | methods[laptop] | ill check it out one sec |
| 18:35.41 | tralala | frog_, it was dropped when etch was testing. Nothing newer than etch supports it. |
| 18:35.46 | methods[laptop] | i just figure by now debian should defitnetly have something to easily do it |
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| 18:36.09 | py_ | hello |
| 18:36.25 | methods[laptop] | dcc/live |
| 18:36.34 | robboplus | can you tell netstat to display only ESTABLISHED? and on a given port only too |
| 18:36.46 | robboplus | or perhaps there is a better tool for that then netstat? |
| 18:36.53 | methods[laptop] | just grep /proc/ipv4/ipcontrack |
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| 18:36.56 | jelly | robboplus: simplest solution is to pipe to grep |
| 18:36.57 | robboplus | oh hm |
| 18:36.58 | methods[laptop] | whatever the file is called |
| 18:36.59 | abrotman | robboplus: grep |
| 18:37.04 | elnovatillo | elmo40: no im backing up some info ,then im going to leave , and you all will cry |
| 18:37.10 | robboplus | very interesting indeed, trying |
| 18:37.10 | py_ | I've a bx on which I don't want to load the module ehci_hcd. I added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, but it didn't work (it still gets loaded). How can I ensure it won't get loaded? |
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| 18:37.41 | robboplus | hm thing is that i have no /proc/ipv4 path |
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| 18:39.01 | methods[laptop] | so there is no chart that shows the least amount of hsync iand vsync i need to reach a certain resolution ? |
| 18:39.20 | jelly | that's because it's actually /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 18:39.21 | elnovatillo | WTF now icewhoresell doesnt work!! |
| 18:39.39 | elnovatillo | damn this debian is crashing in pieces |
| 18:39.39 | jelly | !ops elnovatillo trolling |
| 18:39.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: elnovatillo trolling |
| 18:39.54 | robboplus | jelly oh come on.. you killed all the fun |
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| 18:40.11 | jelly | I get fun in better places. |
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| 18:40.15 | elnovatillo | what is Fun dammit, i lost my work for 2 weeks!!! |
| 18:40.16 | robboplus | jelly he he |
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| 18:40.28 | robboplus | jelly thank you for that path btw.. |
| 18:40.32 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: cause your a moron |
| 18:40.37 | capiira | lol |
| 18:40.39 | elmo40 | damn, a lot of ops! |
| 18:40.46 | asg | elmo40: they are mostly MIA |
| 18:40.51 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 18:40.56 | elmo40 | just like Generals, eh? |
| 18:40.58 | robboplus | jelly ...but it doesn't exist either... no ip_conntrack in net for me |
| 18:41.01 | elmo40 | never in the front line. |
| 18:41.07 | asg | robboplus: then use netstat ... | grep |
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| 18:41.16 | robboplus | asg i know.. but i don't like that |
| 18:41.20 | fas3r | stupid question : if i have two dns server ( primary and secondary ) it's possible the second dns server is in different subnet ? |
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| 18:41.25 | asg | robboplus: why, it's the Unix way |
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| 18:41.30 | robboplus | asg i have been grepping all my life... |
| 18:41.31 | elmo40 | fas3r: sure, why not? |
| 18:41.40 | robboplus | asg i really need a better tool than netstat |
| 18:41.41 | jelly | robboplus: yeah, it only exists if you actually use conntrack (if your machine is a NAT router/gateway for example) |
| 18:41.49 | elnovatillo | i know #debian is full of communists, but dont laugh becoz i lost all my info due the unreliable work being done with debian |
| 18:41.53 | Tramp | robboplus: maybe lsof -ni:<port> helps you a little |
| 18:41.53 | asg | fas3r: yes, they aren't required to be in the same. In fact, they should be in separate ones. |
| 18:41.57 | elmo40 | robboplus: grepping all your life? seeing only what you want to see, eh? ;) |
| 18:41.58 | fas3r | elmo40: i don't know it's my question ^^ |
| 18:41.58 | robboplus | jelly oh so it's not the case there |
| 18:42.09 | robboplus | elmo40 yes :) |
| 18:42.13 | fas3r | asg: it's just history of route after |
| 18:42.15 | elmo40 | fas3r: well, i dont know the way, but i have seen it before. |
| 18:42.16 | robboplus | Tramp hm.. |
| 18:42.29 | Tramp | robboplus: you would still have to grep for EST though |
| 18:42.44 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: unreliable work being done by you? maybe you should say that to your employers... yea communists are all about having *choices* right ? funny... |
| 18:42.45 | capiira | elnovatillo, stop moaning even my gf with absolutely no advanced computer knowledge installed debian successful |
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| 18:42.57 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: what 'work' are you talking about? you dont like gimp, cant get adobe to work... what could possibly be on your compuet? |
| 18:43.01 | elmo40 | *computer |
| 18:43.03 | Tramp | robboplus: but you can limit it to the port (and also the host, if you'd like) |
| 18:43.13 | elmo40 | methods[laptop]: touche! |
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| 18:44.21 | elmo40 | so, how do i tell 'linux' to open urxvt instead of xterm by default? |
| 18:44.23 | abrotman | elnovatillo: define "lost all my info" |
| 18:44.30 | abrotman | elmo40: default? |
| 18:44.33 | capiira | usually people backup important stuff elnovatillo |
| 18:44.38 | elmo40 | abrotman: 'i pressed the delete key' |
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| 18:45.06 | elmo40 | abrotman: yes, when i open my rss viewer, it uses xterm instead of urxvt. |
| 18:45.08 | fas3r | elmo40: it's just history of route between the first and second server ? |
| 18:45.08 | abrotman | elmo40: uhm .. i meant the default for uxrvt |
| 18:45.16 | abrotman | elmo40: check update-alternatves |
| 18:45.20 | abrotman | except spell it right |
| 18:45.23 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 18:45.25 | elmo40 | +i |
| 18:45.48 | elnovatillo | good DAMMIT... vlc doesnt work |
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| 18:46.08 | capiira | oh my gawd |
| 18:46.40 | elmo40 | ya, well... neither does my gun at the moment |
| 18:46.44 | Ronin | elnovatillo: go get your windows cd and have fun all ready |
| 18:46.47 | capiira | did you turn on your computer elnovatillo ? :D |
| 18:46.52 | abrotman | elnovatillo: in testing ? |
| 18:47.04 | abrotman | !qotd2 |
| 18:47.04 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 18:47.28 | elnovatillo | after doesnt work neither! |
| 18:47.34 | elnovatillo | after effects |
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| 18:47.46 | capiira | jesus christ |
| 18:47.58 | tralala | heh, classy |
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| 18:48.10 | elmo40 | idiot. |
| 18:48.11 | abrotman | elnovatillo: do you actually need help? |
| 18:48.12 | py_ | no way to prevent ehci_hcd to get loaded? |
| 18:48.16 | elmo40 | fun times in here, i tellz ya |
| 18:48.16 | capiira | please let rain brains :D |
| 18:48.20 | asg | py_: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:48.30 | elmo40 | py_: remove the module? |
| 18:48.56 | elmo40 | py_: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko possibly? |
| 18:49.08 | asg | elmo40: s/rename/remove/ (or he'll end up like elnovatillo) |
| 18:49.08 | elnovatillo | well yes, i need help to remove Debian From my Computer |
| 18:49.28 | elmo40 | asg: yes, rename... m'eh |
| 18:49.34 | abrotman | elnovatillo: then install another OS |
| 18:49.38 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: get a very powerful magnet |
| 18:49.48 | capiira | lol |
| 18:49.52 | elmo40 | or push it in front of a moving bus |
| 18:49.58 | elmo40 | either way will remove Debian |
| 18:50.00 | capiira | window is ok too |
| 18:50.04 | elmo40 | possibly :P |
| 18:50.06 | stew | elnovatillo: what are you going to replace debian with? |
| 18:50.09 | py_ | elmo40: well, it seems non-sense, but it doesn't work: still gets loaded |
| 18:50.19 | elmo40 | then rename it! |
| 18:50.25 | elmo40 | stew: DSL :P |
| 18:50.33 | elnovatillo | with any OS than supports Adobe and PROfessional stuff |
| 18:50.45 | elmo40 | elnovatillo: OSX or windoze |
| 18:50.48 | elmo40 | only options |
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| 18:50.54 | elmo40 | LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE! |
| 18:50.59 | elmo40 | they even tell you... |
| 18:51.05 | py_ | elmo40: I moved it to /root/ehci-hcd.ko_BAK, and after reboot lsmod still shows it... |
| 18:51.10 | methods[laptop] | hey you know my laptop has the same monitor settings and works fine at 1024 |
| 18:51.11 | elmo40 | someone block his IP, just an idiot |
| 18:51.12 | tralala | multi_io, elnovatillo |
| 18:51.14 | capiira | elnovatillo sorry but those statements and questions are really stupid |
| 18:51.20 | elmo40 | py_: you rebooted already? |
| 18:51.34 | stew | elmo40: please don't use caps |
| 18:51.51 | tralala | elmo40, also calm down and read /help ignore |
| 18:51.52 | py_ | elmo40: sure I did |
| 18:51.53 | elmo40 | stew: was only towards elnovatillo... damn fool he is |
| 18:51.58 | stew | elmo40: and do not call people idiots. keep it constructive |
| 18:52.05 | elmo40 | will do. |
| 18:52.26 | methods[laptop] | elnovatillo: lol professional stuff? that excludes you right away... |
| 18:52.44 | stew | elnovatillo: we can't help you choose another os. ##linux can help you chooes another linux distro if that is what you want. you don't need to know anything from us if all you want to do with debian is remove it |
| 18:52.55 | stew | elnovatillo: and if you have no other debian realted questions, i'd ask that you just move on |
| 18:53.30 | elnovatillo | yes yes im moving to the superior Windows Vista in some mins |
| 18:53.34 | capiira | i'm a newbie debian & linux user since January 2007 but hey your statements are sooo stupid next time you should do a better research before installing anything! |
| 18:53.45 | capiira | even on vista |
| 18:53.56 | magnet | elmo40: I am very powerful indeed, please send me harddisk drives I'll take care of 'em all :D |
| 18:53.57 | stew | capiira: please drop it |
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| 18:54.21 | capiira | yeah |
| 18:55.42 | capiira | i dropped my baseball bat just for you :D |
| 18:56.00 | tralala | you're such a sweetheart |
| 18:56.05 | mesutt | jelly, are you there |
| 18:56.11 | capiira | :) thx |
| 18:56.17 | abrotman | mesutt: many people are here .. |
| 18:56.19 | py_ | aargh, I just figured out: it gets loade from the ramdisk |
| 18:56.24 | mesutt | abrotman, hi |
| 18:56.33 | mesutt | now im in, and df -i says %100 full |
| 18:56.45 | abrotman | mesutt: welcome to your problem :) |
| 18:57.01 | mesutt | du -hc --max-depth=1 |
| 18:57.01 | elmo40 | magnet: lol, sorry |
| 18:57.05 | mesutt | waiting for this |
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| 18:57.59 | elmo40 | py_: liveCD ? |
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| 18:58.24 | py_ | elmo40: no, debian etch install |
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| 18:58.28 | Ronin | heh he said superior windows |
| 18:59.10 | py_ | after modifying blacklist one has to run update-initramfs -u, I had completely forgotten that stuff |
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| 19:01.32 | elnovatillo | I have he impression Debian has became a MAFIA instead to evolve like MAC os |
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| 19:01.52 | jelly | mesutt: aye |
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| 19:01.57 | stew | elnovatillo: do you any debian related questions to ask? |
| 19:02.00 | cahoot | capice? |
| 19:02.03 | stew | elnovatillo: if not, please move on |
| 19:02.08 | mesutt | jelly, df -i says %100 full |
| 19:02.21 | w0jtas` | hi, how can i enter interface into promiscuous mode / |
| 19:02.25 | jelly | mesutt: it says more than that. |
| 19:02.38 | Tramp | w0jtas`: man ifconfig, search for promisc |
| 19:02.41 | jelly | mesutt: the rest could be useful too. |
| 19:02.53 | mesutt | hold on |
| 19:02.58 | jelly | !pastebin |
| 19:02.59 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 19:03.00 | dimbit_ | I'm looking for some help with XFree86. Anyone will ing to not laugh at me?? ;) |
| 19:03.07 | Goezzi | me too |
| 19:03.08 | jelly | mesutt: or just the / line |
| 19:03.11 | mesutt | jelly, http://pastebin.ca/791090 |
| 19:03.24 | Goezzi | i need a default monitor definition in xorg.conf |
| 19:03.43 | mesutt | jelly, deleted a 2GB file,still same output |
| 19:03.55 | jelly | mesutt: oh yes. a runaway app has created like 8 million files somewhere on the filesystem. |
| 19:04.14 | mesutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.18 | mesutt | wating that to finisg |
| 19:04.27 | mesutt | i think that will say where are they |
| 19:04.28 | methods[laptop] | jelly i tried the vesa driver and got some more luck... i actually get a nice 1024 resolution... but... it appears to be a 800x600 box in the middle of a 1024 screen... weird right ? |
| 19:04.44 | jelly | mesutt: skip the max-depth. |
| 19:05.07 | jelly | mesutt: do a simple du -c > /tmp/file & |
| 19:05.28 | mesutt | jelly, i think that will say me that no space |
| 19:05.34 | jelly | mesutt: oh, add that option for a single file system too. |
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| 19:05.43 | jelly | mesutt: I don't think that. |
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| 19:08.45 | StucKman | hi all. does anybody know why pwgen somtimes print shorter passwds? see this: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/2368 first try returns only 2 chars |
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| 19:09.10 | rpetre | hello, anyone from bay area / san francisco? |
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| 19:09.59 | sambhav | hi. i need some help. trying to install debian. i used the netinstall CD. installed. and then i intalled Xorg with aptitude install xorg.. but when i do a "startx" it says xinit server error |
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| 19:10.14 | keith4 | install xserver-xorg |
| 19:10.20 | methods[laptop] | wtf is the name of the console mouse program i forgot... |
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| 19:10.27 | Eulex | methods[laptop], gpm? |
| 19:10.30 | sambhav | gpm |
| 19:10.37 | rpetre | sambhav: what else besides xinit server error? |
| 19:10.40 | methods[laptop] | ahhh i cept thinkin gdm and coudlnt figure out why |
| 19:10.53 | sambhav | rpetre nothing else. it just prints out that much. |
| 19:11.14 | sambhav | keith4 doesnt install xorg install xserver-xorg on its own? |
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| 19:11.27 | stew | it does |
| 19:11.30 | keith4 | it should |
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| 19:11.32 | Eulex | sambhav, xbase-clients |
| 19:11.36 | rpetre | sambhav: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log , see if it shows more |
| 19:11.38 | stew | xorg installs that too |
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| 19:11.46 | stew | it must be a configuration problem |
| 19:11.49 | sambhav | there is no xorg.0.log |
| 19:11.54 | keith4 | interesting |
| 19:11.57 | Eulex | oh. you should have that one too. |
| 19:12.00 | sambhav | yeah. my xorg.conf looks weird too. |
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| 19:12.10 | limpio | sambhav: did you install a window manager or desktop environment? |
| 19:12.13 | sambhav | i tried dpkg-reconfiture x11-common |
| 19:12.14 | StucKman | sambhav: install xinit |
| 19:12.17 | Eulex | sambhav, do you have xinit on your system? |
| 19:12.18 | rpetre | sambhav: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserve-xorg |
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| 19:12.19 | keith4 | for a desktop system, generally installing "xserver-xorg" and "gnome-desktop-environment" (if you want gnome) should do it |
| 19:12.23 | aempi | hi, my inetd does not start at boot time, what can i do? there were links to xinetd and inetd, i removed them and recreated them with "update-rc.d inetd" and "update-rc.d xinetd" but that isn't helping, when i type inetd in the shell, it immediately starts. is there a problem with the links, because they call "inetd start" ? |
| 19:12.24 | sambhav | let me try all that. |
| 19:12.36 | sambhav | i havent installed a wm or desktop env yet. |
| 19:12.48 | limpio | then do it |
| 19:12.54 | StucKman | aempi: where are the links? |
| 19:13.08 | stew | sambhav: you already have xserver-xorg, and you don't need a wm nor a desktop env in order to get x running |
| 19:13.12 | sambhav | fluxbox will be ok? |
| 19:13.16 | sambhav | i know. |
| 19:13.32 | sambhav | startx should fire up something. |
| 19:13.33 | sambhav | or give me a decent error |
| 19:13.37 | stew | sambhav: if you get an error starting X, it is a configuration problem. put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere we can see them: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:13.42 | aempi | stucKman: these runlevel folders /etc/rcX.d/... |
| 19:13.43 | esteel | hi |
| 19:13.49 | sambhav | ok |
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| 19:13.58 | StucKman | gotta go |
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| 19:14.25 | aempi | :( |
| 19:14.37 | sambhav | i'll be back in some time. |
| 19:14.48 | limpio | sambhav: apt-get fluxbox menu |
| 19:14.53 | sambhav | right now doing a desktop environment install with tasksel |
| 19:15.11 | sambhav | yeah, i installed fluxbox and have exec fluxbox in my .xinitrc |
| 19:15.28 | limpio | sambhav: # apt-get install fluxbox menu, sorry |
| 19:15.39 | sambhav | :) |
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| 19:15.45 | aempi | anyone else with a quick hint for my inetd starting problem? |
| 19:15.50 | sambhav | ok ok. le tme try all that and get back. |
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| 19:17.30 | dimbit_ | how do I choose which kernel gets loaded at boot? |
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| 19:19.38 | keith4 | dimbit_: using grub? |
| 19:20.20 | john_scrotum | I have a quick question about gnome and gdm if anyone knows anything about that? |
| 19:20.22 | jelly | dimbit_: the "default ..." line in /boot/grub/menu.lst has the ordinal number of the kernel entry used by default (start counting from 0) |
| 19:20.41 | Tramp | aempi: can you paste the output of " find /etc -name \*inet\* -ls" |
| 19:21.19 | Tramp | aempi: ... to some pastesite of course 8) |
| 19:22.09 | john_scrotum | Does anyone know how/where I can change the background color of the screen that appears between the time I login with gdm and my gnome wallpaper appears on screen? |
| 19:22.31 | aempi | argz |
| 19:22.47 | aempi | i guess they need to be 777, right? |
| 19:22.59 | aempi | they are 755 |
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| 19:23.48 | mesutt | jelly, www:/chroot/apache/var/lib/php4# ls |
| 19:23.49 | mesutt | ls: memory exhausted |
| 19:23.49 | rpetre | 755 should be ok, unless you want everyone to edit them |
| 19:23.51 | john_scrotum | At the moment, I have a black gdm theme installed... I also have a black gnome wallpaper. The screen that appears between the gdm login screen and the gnome wallpaper however, is blue. I want it to be black. I found where to change this setting before, but I can't remember now. Does anyone know? |
| 19:24.02 | jelly | mesutt: congrats! |
| 19:24.04 | Tramp | aempi: the links? |
| 19:24.36 | aempi | http://jag3.arnewiese.de/galerie/output.txt |
| 19:24.40 | jelly | mesutt: what does "ls -ld . " in that dir say? |
| 19:24.40 | aempi | here is the output |
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| 19:24.53 | aempi | the links are 777 but the files are 755 |
| 19:25.10 | mesutt | jelly, drwx-wx-wt 2 root root 386867200 2007-11-20 21:31 . |
| 19:25.19 | jelly | mesutt: WHOA |
| 19:25.22 | mesutt | whats that |
| 19:25.25 | mesutt | files ? |
| 19:25.35 | Tramp | aempi: that's ok. however, you want either xinetd OR inetd, not both. |
| 19:25.36 | jelly | that's a directory entry taking 300MB. |
| 19:26.01 | jelly | mesutt: no, there are only 8M files in there. Can't be more. ;-) |
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| 19:26.12 | mesutt | jelly, i need how many |
| 19:26.23 | Tramp | aempi: additionally, you don't have inetd in runlevel 2 and I presume xinetd is not configured. |
| 19:26.38 | jelly | mesutt: what you need to know, is the cause. |
| 19:26.51 | mesutt | so ill never know eh ? |
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| 19:27.13 | jelly | mesutt: if you never know you'll just repeat the error |
| 19:27.21 | aempi | i don't know much about inetd at all, and haven't configured xinetd, but in the /etc/init.d/inetd was a line that said, that this file was obsolete, and i should use xinetd |
| 19:27.22 | netgear | who knows debian kernel well? |
| 19:27.25 | jelly | mesutt: use find to list the files. |
| 19:27.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm running 2.6.22-3-amd64. I get this error when trying to run make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux: |
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| 19:27.58 | jelly | mesutt: find . -print0 | xargs -0 ls -l ... no need to paste the results. ;-) |
| 19:28.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 19:28.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 19:28.09 | dimbit_ | jelly: I want to roll back to an earlier kernel |
| 19:28.16 | Tramp | aempi: Well. Then remove inetd and configure xinetd so it does what you want. |
| 19:28.16 | dimbit_ | can't get nvidia drivers installed with this one |
| 19:28.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me how to...welll.. make make menuconfig usable? |
| 19:28.26 | dimbit_ | and can't run xorg on this machine without crashage |
| 19:28.38 | dimbit_ | so apt-get anything wants to install xorg and break stuff |
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| 19:29.39 | mesutt | jelly, ok,waiting the results |
| 19:29.47 | jelly | dimbit_: if it is still installed, copy/paste the kernel entry for it (those 3-5 lines together title,root,kernel,...) before the ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST line |
| 19:30.24 | jelly | mesutt: whoever created that apache chroot for you, forgot to fix a cron job that clears up old php sessions. |
| 19:30.26 | omry | how can a non-root user change the default alternative for an editor? (just for himself) |
| 19:30.39 | aempi | hmm, sounds like a bit of work, that i am too busy for right now, inetd does just the job i need(except starting at boot time), but thanks for the help |
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| 19:30.52 | mesutt | jelly, its not mine box ,as i said |
| 19:31.03 | Tramp | aempi: Then remove xinetd and add a link for inetd in runlevel 2 |
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| 19:31.07 | jelly | mesutt: it's not mine either! |
| 19:31.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:32.15 | jelly | mesutt: you'll find lots of small php session files there. _Usually_, debian has a cron job in /etc/cron.d/php5 that cleans them up, when they're in default place. |
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| 19:32.42 | Tramp | aempi: for whatever reason you have no link for inetd in runlevel 2 - thus it does not start. |
| 19:33.07 | aempi | i added the links again now, bit it is still not starting |
| 19:33.10 | aempi | hm |
| 19:33.11 | dimbit_ | jelly: it's not in menu.lst already |
| 19:33.31 | dimbit_ | that has things like /boot/initrd.img |
| 19:33.36 | dimbit_ | and /boot/initrd.img.old |
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| 19:34.13 | dimbit_ | and there is no initrd.img for the one I want |
| 19:34.23 | jelly | mesutt: you'll have to fix that cron job, or create a new one that cleans the files from /chroot/apache/var/lib/php4 every now and then |
| 19:34.35 | mesutt | yeah im on it |
| 19:34.37 | aempi | http://jag3.arnewiese.de/galerie/output.txt <--updated the file |
| 19:34.41 | dimbit_ | is there anywhere I can get the installer for sarge? |
| 19:34.45 | aempi | same problem |
| 19:34.48 | mesutt | thanks jelly |
| 19:34.53 | dimbit_ | np, found it, I'll try that |
| 19:34.59 | aempi | that was the reason why i came here first |
| 19:35.12 | jelly | mesutt: you'll also need to use find to rm the files. |
| 19:35.28 | mesutt | jelly, deleting the dir |
| 19:35.29 | mesutt | works. |
| 19:35.55 | jelly | mesutt: great. it has funny permissions, remember to fix them when you recreate it |
| 19:36.07 | mesutt | AGGHH |
| 19:36.26 | jelly | <mesutt> jelly, drwx-wx-wt 2 root root 386867200 2007-11-20 21:31 . |
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| 19:36.33 | darkbahamut | streuner_: hey |
| 19:36.43 | Tramp | aempi: I can''t see, what you added. There is still no link in rc2.d for openbsd-inetd. |
| 19:36.55 | mesutt | lol thanks jelly |
| 19:37.14 | aempi | cool, it works now |
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| 19:37.42 | darkbahamut | streuner_: sorry bout last night.. i didnt read correctly, maybe i was tired or something |
| 19:38.20 | jelly | dimbit_: well, install the old one then, dunno. |
| 19:38.32 | Tramp | aempi: I take this as a "thanks". |
| 19:38.36 | streuner_ | darkbahamut: no worries |
| 19:38.54 | jelly | Tramp: you don't need manners when dealing with tramps? |
| 19:38.55 | darkbahamut | streuner_: also thanks for all your help |
| 19:38.57 | aempi | i did: "update-rc.d -f xinetd remove" and then "update-rc.d inetd defaults" which was working, but the file /etc/init.d/inetd was empty but a "exit 0" line, i just added "inetd" in that script |
| 19:39.12 | streuner_ | darkbahamut: anyway, the web is full with this problems especially with this hardware |
| 19:39.19 | darkbahamut | streuner_: i can play sound with xmms |
| 19:39.28 | Tramp | jelly: yeah, right. |
| 19:39.32 | darkbahamut | streuner_: just not internet browser |
| 19:39.34 | streuner_ | darkbahamut: How did you manage that? |
| 19:39.36 | aempi | thanks tramp :) <--- there it is |
| 19:39.37 | tralala | Tramp, I like your positive thinking... |
| 19:39.40 | elnovatillo | ok guys Bye thanks for all, i hope you all follow the common sense and drop this ridiculous Debian project and move to OSx or Vista ,BYE ALL |
| 19:39.50 | darkbahamut | streuner_: i installed oss-compat |
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| 19:39.56 | tralala | elnovatillo, we certainly will |
| 19:40.15 | darkbahamut | streuner_: someone told me to try it earlyer that day |
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| 19:40.43 | Tramp | aempi: it is "openbsd-inetd" not "inetd" |
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| 19:40.58 | darkbahamut | streuner_: also i found out how to remove modules i just dont know what to remove |
| 19:41.28 | aempi | inetd works fine now =) |
| 19:41.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why are there no iwlwifi/iwl4965 packages? |
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| 19:42.37 | Tramp | aempi: yeah, because the binary is called "inetd". It will break later. |
| 19:42.56 | aempi | ok, i will change it then |
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| 19:43.02 | aempi | erm |
| 19:43.08 | aempi | i meant i will change it now |
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| 19:43.44 | Tramp | aempi: good idea 8) |
| 19:44.12 | darkbahamut | streuner_: think you can help me get it working with internet? |
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| 19:44.35 | darkbahamut | streuner_: ive looked online i cant find any info on it |
| 19:44.43 | streuner_ | this nvidia is the suck |
| 19:44.44 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, for the same reason there aren't may other packages |
| 19:44.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: There is the firmware though :/ |
| 19:45.09 | streuner_ | darkbahamut: try /msg dpkg hcl and use kmuto's hcl |
| 19:45.19 | kantor | HI, if I use DSA instead of RSA with a ssh connection the transmitted data are not secure ? I mean encrypted ? because DSA is only for digital signature and not for encryption like RSA |
| 19:45.35 | aempi | okay, works now with the openbsd-inetd script, thanks tramp =) |
| 19:45.45 | Tramp | aempi: np |
| 19:45.47 | enouf | use aes and blowfish O.o |
| 19:45.50 | streuner_ | darkbahamut: if the driver loaded just edit /etc/network/interfaces (/msg dpkg interfaces), thats all you need to get i-net working in Debian |
| 19:45.52 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, not in etch |
| 19:45.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: I use sid anyway |
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| 19:46.43 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, and you worry about missing packages? |
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| 19:46.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: I can't compile it |
| 19:47.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: It can't find the kernel makefile despite me installing the headers |
| 19:47.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | So there being packages available would save me from having to compile it every time the kernel changes, which I rarely manage to succeed at doing |
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| 19:48.21 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, try make KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 19:48.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 19:48.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-amd64/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. |
| 19:49.10 | buu | So.. yeah.. where are Apache1 modules hiding these days? |
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| 19:49.37 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, the make I gave you? |
| 19:49.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
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| 19:56.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | tralala: So, what do I do? |
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| 19:57.35 | tralala | Dark_Apostrophe, sounds like you're out of luck. If you want to know (out of curiosity) if this is a sid issue, try to compile with the linux headers from etch |
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| 19:59.02 | dutchfish | can anyone enlighten me why in lenny's curent kernel my os can not find a governer for cpufred, is this becaus of the tickless implentations? Or isnt it simply compiled in the curent lenny kernel? |
| 19:59.32 | dutchfish | cpufreqd* |
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| 20:00.36 | tralala | dutchfish, it needs the userspace governor - modprobe -l | grep userspace |
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| 20:01.56 | dutchfish | tralala, /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_userspace.ko |
| 20:02.36 | tralala | there you go - load it and you should be fine |
| 20:03.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Argh... I think I'm going to compile my own kernel. |
| 20:03.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Using Debian kernels is getting more and more frustrating. |
| 20:03.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | g |
| 20:03.51 | dutchfish | tralala, echo "cpufreq_userspace" >> /etc/modules ? |
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| 20:04.18 | tralala | dutchfish, sure |
| 20:04.29 | fas3r | it's possible to use ios 12.4 with aironet 1231G ? |
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| 20:05.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | !kp mantra |
| 20:05.28 | dpkg | well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 20:09.04 | dutchfish | tralala, cpufreq-set -g demand gives me still wrong, unknown or unhandled CPU? while it works in etch .... |
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| 20:10.53 | dutchfish | tralala, cpufreq_userspace is loaded |
| 20:11.00 | tralala | dutchfish, apparently lenny is experiencing some hal/udev (or who knows what) issues that result in strange behaviour. |
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| 20:11.42 | dutchfish | tralala, sigh, i was already thinking that, thats why i asked, can i reacreate udev rules? how? |
| 20:12.22 | dutchfish | tralala, i just updated hal with latest patches for lenny |
| 20:12.22 | tralala | I don't know |
| 20:12.43 | dutchfish | tralala, but still no go |
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| 20:13.48 | tralala | another user has reported nics suddenly go dark for no apparent reason earlier today. The module was loading fine and the interfaces were appearing to work fine as well. |
| 20:13.55 | dutchfish | tralala, do you rem by accident wich cpu driver is needed fpr P4 with speedstep? |
| 20:14.36 | tralala | no but if you grep for cpufreq you should find it. If not sure load them all |
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| 20:15.03 | dutchfish | tralala, not to mention the renaming quircks of udev for wlan devices .... had my fair share already ut solved at least that |
| 20:15.24 | methods[laptop] | how low does your memory have to be for low memory mode ? |
| 20:15.38 | tralala | less than 10mm |
| 20:15.40 | xingu | fas3r: doesn't seem so; cco tails c1200 out at 12.3 |
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| 20:16.04 | fas3r | xingu: what ? |
| 20:16.05 | nicehat | hi all |
| 20:16.28 | dutchfish | tralala, what you mean by grep cpufreq? |
| 20:16.30 | xingu | fas3r: c1240 has a 12.4 image, but not the 1200's; and I gather, the 1240 is new enough to make the difference non-academic |
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| 20:16.42 | tralala | dutchfish, modprobe -l | grep cpufreq |
| 20:17.20 | fas3r | xingu: ok and what the different between ja , jea, jec .. |
| 20:17.29 | dutchfish | tralala, ah prolly p4-clockmod |
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| 20:17.52 | tralala | yep |
| 20:17.52 | xingu | fas3r: just release points |
| 20:18.19 | dutchfish | tralala, thx that solved it :) |
| 20:18.25 | ks | how do I mount samba share if i only added an entry in fstab ? |
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| 20:18.39 | xingu | fas3r: JEC is the last GD release; 12.3.8jec is the last gd release (stable) 12.3.11jx1 is the last ED (early) release. |
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| 20:18.51 | dutchfish | tralala, running at 338 Mhz now |
| 20:18.55 | ks | can i just re-read the fstab ? |
| 20:18.59 | tralala | dutchfish, you're welcome |
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| 20:19.09 | tralala | I wonder if centrino can go as low as p4 |
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| 20:19.23 | tralala | my athlon only goes to 1ghz |
| 20:19.47 | dutchfish | tralala, never had my hands on those, but P4 goes pretty low with northwoods i had ones 210 Mhz |
| 20:19.50 | fas3r | xingu: i have at work same acces point but they used aes .. i didn't see it do you know what the version who integer aes ? |
| 20:19.54 | robboplus | Tramp: are you still around? thank you very much for the lsof hint :) works great! |
| 20:19.54 | tralala | 1ghz for irc... it must feel like melvin |
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| 20:20.01 | nivanson | my c2duo only goes to 4.0 :( why do you want to go as low as possible? |
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| 20:20.20 | Tramp | robboplus: yep - nice to hear it works. |
| 20:20.32 | robboplus | and sorry, i was afk for a little while |
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| 20:21.07 | tralala | nivanson, 4.0?! |
| 20:21.08 | robboplus | Tramp would you happen to know if it's possible to kill a given "device" listed in lsof? |
| 20:21.18 | robboplus | or wait.. not device |
| 20:21.24 | nivanson | tralala: uh, yeah, ghz |
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| 20:22.03 | robboplus | Tramp what i mean is... if i see an established state.. can i kill the pid associated with it to break the connection immediately? |
| 20:22.20 | dutchfish | tralala, wow, with powertop, i can save a grand total of 18 watts now on my lenny lappy |
| 20:22.46 | arturaz | hello. How i could log what new processes are created and by what user in what enviroment? Something randomly generates about 10 new processes/sec for few minutes and load skyrockets to 8. |
| 20:22.50 | tralala | dutchfish, what's the idle consumption? |
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| 20:23.05 | robboplus | Tramp hm... wrong again.. that would kill the daemon... |
| 20:23.25 | xingu | tralala: it's not all about clock rate, sleep states are how intl control budget |
| 20:23.27 | Tramp | robboplus: you mean, terminate a specific EST connectino? |
| 20:23.32 | dutchfish | tralala, tweaked or plain? tweaked 48 watt (fluke measerument) |
| 20:23.43 | robboplus | Tramp yes.. that's exactly what i'm trying to do... close the socket |
| 20:24.02 | xingu | robboplus: hping, send yourself a crafted rst |
| 20:24.07 | dutchfish | tralala, thats with spinning disk |
| 20:24.14 | robboplus | xingu oh wow, hm.. |
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| 20:24.50 | sepski | arturaz, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Process-Accounting/index.html |
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| 20:25.20 | arturaz | thank you |
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| 20:25.27 | robboplus | xingu is hping a part of any package? |
| 20:25.32 | robboplus | never heard of it... |
| 20:25.34 | tralala | nivanson, c2duo@3.2ghz won't be in production until next year - I find it unlikely that yours runs at 4ghz |
| 20:25.42 | fas3r | xingu: no idea .. :( |
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| 20:26.02 | robboplus | tralala overclocked |
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| 20:26.24 | nivanson | tralala: 444mhz bus 4.0ghz easy |
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| 20:26.30 | dutchfish | overclocing is out > underclocking saves energy ;) |
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| 20:26.56 | tralala | xingu, sure, but clock rate matters is here now, unlike tickless kernels |
| 20:26.57 | robboplus | dutchfish that's why i chat on old P4-mobile laptop :) |
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| 20:27.05 | sepski | arturaz, acct in debian afaik |
| 20:27.05 | dutchfish | :) |
| 20:27.06 | tralala | s/matters// |
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| 20:27.41 | jelly-home | <aquaone> last copy of the source i have is 8i [...] <jelly-ho> aquaone: I'd love to take a peek at the source but that's probably out of the question. ;-) <aquaone> jelly-ho: it is out of the question, sorry. i have my limits. :) <jelly-ho> aquaone: tease |
| 20:27.45 | tralala | dutchfish, 48watt idle consumption?! |
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| 20:28.06 | nivanson | i once tried underclocking my old laptop but ended up with alot worse performance than a machine having about the same specs as my underclocked machine :/ |
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| 20:28.47 | xingu | fas3r: ios12.2(15)ja or newer will apparently do. |
| 20:28.48 | dutchfish | tralala, tweaked 48 watt (fluke measerument) with backlight and disk spinning, but iddle state |
| 20:29.05 | fas3r | ok thank a lot xingu |
| 20:29.05 | tralala | a laptop? |
| 20:29.15 | dutchfish | tralala, yup |
| 20:29.21 | cahoot | 48w? |
| 20:29.23 | xingu | robboplus: hping2 (or 3) |
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| 20:29.33 | tralala | hmm... my laptop is idling at 8-9w |
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| 20:29.50 | tralala | a p3 nevertheless |
| 20:30.11 | dutchfish | tralala, its a prescott ... |
| 20:30.20 | dutchfish | afk |
| 20:30.28 | xingu | tralala: how you measuring this? |
| 20:30.37 | robboplus | xingu thank you very much... that thing smells good :) |
| 20:31.05 | xingu | robboplus: nb yes, killing a process kills its open filedescriptors too; and a socket is just a magic file descriptor |
| 20:31.06 | tralala | xingu, with powertop |
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| 20:31.40 | xingu | tralala: hmm, I think it can only do that if you're running on battery, yeah? |
| 20:31.43 | robboplus | xingu if so, wouldn't it be possible to kill an FD? |
| 20:31.48 | tralala | xingu, yes |
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| 20:32.24 | jelly-home | tralala: I'll be having my dirty little hands on a xeon 5160 (3GHz, 1333MHz FSB) soon but I sure as hell won't overclock it |
| 20:32.29 | xingu | robboplus: you can cause the kernel to close *all* a process's filedescriptors - this happens when the process exits |
| 20:32.31 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to get sound working in web browser? |
| 20:32.46 | xingu | robboplus: or, you can send yourself a crafted rst; and then it just looks like the peer has gone bye bye. |
| 20:33.05 | robboplus | xingu hmm... i will try it in a sec, it sounds great :) |
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| 20:35.03 | xingu | tralala: 2.6W, fwiw |
| 20:35.33 | tralala | jelly-home, I haven't overclocked a thing since P1 era |
| 20:35.35 | Goezzi | i'm with 16w max on the internet here (adsl+laptop power) |
| 20:35.50 | tralala | xingu, yay! centrino? |
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| 20:36.00 | xingu | tralala: t7200, (tickless) amd64, rhythmbox |
| 20:36.27 | tralala | ah, tickless |
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| 20:36.33 | databuddy | :: [PLAYING] [01:12:190] Converting Vegetarians (Disc 2) -=- Pletzturra -=- 07 - Pletzturra.mp3 |
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| 20:36.33 | xingu | tralala: it's the sleep states that are magic; this is with screen candy too, btw (compiz fusion, gfgo7600) |
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| 20:36.38 | databuddy | ^_^ |
| 20:36.41 | tralala | I'm too lazy to run tickless |
| 20:36.41 | stew | databuddy: please turn that off in here |
| 20:36.53 | databuddy | stew was manual as always [ months in between ] |
| 20:36.56 | tralala | but 2.6w... I might reconsider |
| 20:37.07 | databuddy | so question : got a good guide for debian >> pendrive? |
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| 20:37.27 | Goezzi | anyone here know how to circumvent the latest sid xserver update bug? |
| 20:37.28 | Darx | Hi |
| 20:37.31 | databuddy | got me a nice corsair drive writes @ 8.9 ; reads @ 27-30 MB/s |
| 20:37.35 | xingu | tralala: it's a *huge* difference, really; and so's the work in 2.6.23+, to coalesce sleep timers to the next scheduled tick |
| 20:37.49 | xingu | tralala: less ticks, more time spent in yummy yummy c3 state |
| 20:37.50 | databuddy | lil 2GB was thinking livecd +casper+rw |
| 20:38.09 | xingu | tralala: 348 wakeups/s, fwiw |
| 20:38.17 | xingu | tralala: this is with compiz+audio... |
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| 20:39.11 | xingu | tralala: oh, and ipw3945 wireless, of course |
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| 20:40.01 | Darx | are there any tools for debian |
| 20:40.05 | robboplus | xingu... hp is powerful that i can barely believe what i see :) |
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| 20:40.12 | Darx | that will display your cpu usage etc on a graph embeded on your desktop? |
| 20:40.13 | tralala | xingu, I get 8-9w with about 150 w/s |
| 20:40.30 | xingu | tralala: what display controller? |
| 20:40.49 | xingu | tralala: nb, nvidia aren't shitting you, when they bang on about the work they've done for low-power. |
| 20:40.51 | tralala | intel something |
| 20:41.19 | xingu | tralala: the bloody thing slows down its ddr2 clock, and dims. |
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| 20:41.52 | tralala | xingu, if only the software didn't suck... |
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| 20:42.16 | xingu | tralala: :) I'm happy enough with present upstream against present sid |
| 20:42.19 | robboplus | xingu i still don't get how to send rst to a particular est session... |
| 20:42.20 | cemc | i've just installed icedove, and it's not working |
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| 20:42.40 | robboplus | xingu i mean -R but how can i specify the particular session? |
| 20:42.41 | cemc | it just gives me some backtrace error, lots of output, and it freezes |
| 20:42.44 | xingu | robboplus: then you've got some reading to do ;) same src, same dst, same srcport, same dstport, |
| 20:42.45 | Darx | lads |
| 20:42.47 | Darx | for debian |
| 20:42.55 | Darx | how do i install the update? |
| 20:42.59 | Darx | apt-get install update? |
| 20:43.10 | tralala | xingu, any tickless patches for oldies? |
| 20:43.12 | robboplus | xingu just digging tru many nice tutorials but i'm so excited that i skip 90% of info :) |
| 20:43.29 | xingu | tralala: probably, what arch, what kernel? |
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| 20:43.57 | robboplus | xingu oh it's just -s and -p ;) |
| 20:44.13 | tralala | xingu, etch, amd64 |
| 20:44.20 | robboplus | lol this is one hell of a BAD tool :) |
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| 20:46.45 | Solak | Hello. |
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| 20:48.12 | xingu | tralala: what kernel rev is that? |
| 20:48.18 | tralala | -5 |
| 20:48.30 | jonah | hey guys i've tried to install nvidia driver 169.04 beta, but for some reason when i reboot it says my module doesn't match my kernel or something, does anyone know what my probs could be? |
| 20:48.35 | xingu | 2.6.xx :) |
| 20:48.41 | tralala | 18 :) |
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| 20:48.54 | cemc | how can i install thunderbird and firefox? |
| 20:48.54 | Tobsan | :o |
| 20:49.16 | stew | cemc: 'aptitude install icedove iceweasel' |
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| 20:49.21 | cemc | not ice* |
| 20:49.22 | tralala | oh, wait the laptop is 386 |
| 20:49.24 | cemc | the "real" ones :) |
| 20:49.25 | xingu | tralala: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tglx/hrtimers/2.6.18/ |
| 20:49.47 | xingu | tralala: same patch series should be applicable I _think_ even for i386 |
| 20:49.50 | stew | cemc: download them from mozilla.org and follow the installation instructions |
| 20:49.51 | methods[laptop] | the startup script for syslogd is so weird... if i want to pass teh -r option to allow remote sysloging to my system how do i do that the debian way ? |
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| 20:50.12 | cemc | stew: no .deb for those? only these ice* things? :) |
| 20:50.16 | stew | cemc: why do you want the ones from mozilla.org instead of iceweasel and icedove? |
| 20:50.17 | xingu | tralala: just use the .patch. , it consolidates the .patches.tar. |
| 20:50.36 | cemc | stew: icedove is not working |
| 20:50.37 | stew | cemc: no, mozilla asked debian not to distribute them with the mozilla owned trademarks |
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| 20:50.54 | stew | cmeme: you should expect firefox not to work either then |
| 20:50.59 | stew | cemc: ^^^ |
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| 20:51.06 | stew | cemc: can you be more specific than "not working"? |
| 20:51.07 | tralala | xingu, thanks a bunch |
| 20:51.28 | stew | cemc: the only thing debian changes is the name, the icons, and debian added support for pango fonts |
| 20:51.29 | cemc | stew: :) yea, hold on |
| 20:51.55 | bucky | who was in here trying to install netbeans last night? |
| 20:52.09 | Solak | anyone here familiar with Debian on a PowerBook G4 (Apple)? I have a problem configuring the keyboard (wrong layout) and the mouse (tap on pad = click, and ctrl + button doesn't work). |
| 20:52.36 | W9ZEB | can I ask why Iceweasel, and Icedove, and not Firefox/Thunderbird? |
| 20:52.51 | sepski | W9ZEB, google for it. it's been discussed to death |
| 20:52.58 | W9ZEB | sepski: fair enough |
| 20:53.24 | stew | W9ZEB: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
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| 20:53.43 | cemc | stew: http://www.pastebin.org/8774 |
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| 20:54.04 | stew | W9ZEB: basically becuase mozilla asked debian to stop using their trademarks. they didn't like that debian wasn't willing to distrubute the non-free artwork and that debian provides security patches to old versions |
| 20:54.29 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to get sound working in web browser? |
| 20:54.34 | ToHellWithGA | i'm mostly setup here but i'm lacking a couple of things. for some reason login from gdm hangs on the splash until i manually run nm-applet then i get two instances of nm-applet. also i can't figure out how to enable SHMConfig in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for synaptics |
| 20:54.44 | W9ZEB | stew: that was a good resource, thanks. |
| 20:54.56 | stew | cemc: what version of debian, and what version of icedove? |
| 20:55.12 | stew | cemc: do you find that other applications are crashing from time to time as well? |
| 20:55.16 | methods[laptop] | wtf is this start-stop-deamon |
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| 20:56.03 | stew | methods[laptop]: man start-stop-daemon |
| 20:56.04 | jonah | any assistance greatly appreaciated on this |
| 20:56.11 | methods[laptop] | yea im reading |
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| 20:56.46 | cemc | stew: debian 4.0r1 etch, upgraded to lenny/sid (with testing), then installed icedove from there, 1.5.0.10 |
| 20:56.53 | bucky | Solak, maybe someone knows in #debianppc |
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| 20:57.24 | Solak | bucky: ah, I didn't know that channel existed. Thanks! |
| 20:57.46 | cemc | stew: other programs are not crashing (yet). iceweasel is working fine for now |
| 20:58.00 | stew | cemc: well 1.5.0.13 was replaced in lenny by 1.5.0.13, and in sid by 2.0.somehting, you might try those. If you are finding that other applications are crashing it could be faulty hardware, in which case you might consider running memtest86+ |
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| 20:58.19 | stew | errr 1.5.0.10 was replaced by 1.5.0.13... |
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| 20:58.40 | Orion_X11 | which is the best appl to import photos from digital machine in debian? |
| 20:58.50 | stew | cemc: and check the bts if you haven't already: /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:58.51 | Orion_X11 | gtkam? |
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| 20:59.07 | methods[laptop] | i dont see any option here for passing arguments to the --exec |
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| 20:59.19 | W9ZEB | all that over a logo. :) |
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| 20:59.22 | Oggu | What is the differens between the many commands to create a new user? |
| 20:59.29 | W9ZEB | some people (mozilla) need to lighten up :) |
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| 20:59.58 | darkbahamut | can anyone help me? i have no sound in web browser??? |
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| 21:00.30 | ToHellWithGA | darkbahamut: wow, internets. i would love to have no sound in my web browser |
| 21:00.51 | darkbahamut | ToHellWithGA: o.O |
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| 21:01.12 | ToHellWithGA | sounds on website are nothing but annoying |
| 21:01.18 | ToHellWithGA | s/site/sites/ |
| 21:01.31 | stew | darkbahamut: does /dev/dsp exist? |
| 21:01.42 | darkbahamut | stew: umm |
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| 21:02.08 | darkbahamut | stew: yup |
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| 21:02.27 | stew | Oggu: in general you want to use adduser. useradd only adds a user record. it doesn't (by default) do stuff like create a home directory for a user |
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| 21:02.56 | stew | darkbahamut: does "fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*" return any pids? it could be that your sound card doesn't support hardware mixing, and something is already using it |
| 21:03.09 | Oggu | stew: If I want ot create a user to use for web content, what should i use? |
| 21:03.33 | darkbahamut | stew: pids? |
| 21:03.51 | darkbahamut | stew: nope |
| 21:04.24 | W9ZEB | www.w9zeb.org/files/enya-desktop.png Debian in a less than standard use :) |
| 21:04.32 | cemc | stew: i cant find 1.5.0.13, if i'm using testing, i get 1.5.0.10, and if i'm using unstable, i get 2.0.0.6 |
| 21:04.53 | stew | cemc: what arch are you on? |
| 21:04.59 | cemc | i386 |
| 21:05.02 | stew | Oggu: in general, use adduser |
| 21:05.13 | darkbahamut | stew: my sound works fine on windows and ubuntu live-cd |
| 21:05.15 | Oggu | stew: How do I add a password then? |
| 21:05.30 | stew | cemc: then you should have 1.5.0.13, perhaps you need to update? (you can verify it at http://packages.debian.org/icedove) |
| 21:05.34 | stew | Oggu: run adduser |
| 21:05.39 | W9ZEB | Oggu: should be at the tail end of the adduser script. |
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| 21:05.44 | stew | darkbahamut: does it work for other applications in debian? |
| 21:05.56 | darkbahamut | stew: only xmms |
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| 21:07.11 | darkbahamut | stew: xine and totem plays this non stop ticking kinda sound then freezes, i need to use system monitor to close them |
| 21:07.34 | Oggu | I think I want a hme directory, where should the user otherwise put his content? |
| 21:08.31 | W9ZEB | Oggu: you usually want a /home/&username folder yes. |
| 21:08.39 | cemc | stew: yep, got it now... i had security updates disabled... it's working now, i mean it doesn't crash anymore. thanks. |
| 21:08.41 | W9ZEB | Oggu: the adduser script takes you through all of that. |
| 21:09.10 | Oggu | okej |
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| 21:10.12 | W9ZEB | soundblaster PCI likely to be fully supported by Etch? |
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| 21:11.11 | Oggu | Can I somehow give each user their own set of virtual hosts and thier own ip? |
| 21:11.24 | Oggu | if i have many ips |
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| 21:14.00 | methods[laptop] | hm sorry i see now |
| 21:14.07 | methods[laptop] | --exec is only for checking |
| 21:14.16 | methods[laptop] | where the hell does $SYSLOGD come from then |
| 21:14.51 | methods[laptop] | ah i see |
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| 21:15.02 | Decepticon__ | i did apt-cache search ftpd and i am seeing too mayn choices to make an informed decision... i have decision paralysis can someone help me with recommending a ftpd |
| 21:15.08 | Decepticon__ | *many |
| 21:15.12 | melodosgr | is there any ardour irc channel? |
| 21:15.20 | Ronin | Decepticon__: dont use it :) |
| 21:15.38 | Decepticon__ | Ronin: i wish that were an option |
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| 21:15.49 | eth01 | adduser star -uid--700 ... that will work correct? |
| 21:15.54 | Ronin | Decepticon__: sftp/scp ? |
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| 21:16.38 | dkr | eth01: adduser --uid 700 star |
| 21:16.55 | Decepticon__ | Ronin: its too slow for some reason |
| 21:17.22 | Ronin | shouldnt be |
| 21:17.40 | Decepticon__ | i remember it having a very slow transfer rate |
| 21:17.48 | Decepticon__ | thats why i stopped using it |
| 21:17.51 | Decepticon__ | ill try again though |
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| 21:18.05 | eth01 | dkr: so usermode 700, yeah? |
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| 21:18.56 | dkr | security vs convenience |
| 21:18.56 | dkr | that being said, here is your requested recommendation: proftpd |
| 21:19.07 | dkr | eth01: no, uid |
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| 21:19.13 | darkbahamut | nvz: hey |
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| 21:20.34 | methods[laptop] | it would be nice to have a tool to grep the man pages |
| 21:20.52 | jelly-home | Decepticon__: the usual "secure" choice is vsftpd these days. proftpd has a lot of features and a history of security issues |
| 21:21.09 | melodosgr | sometimes i get stucked with some processes like iceweasel. now i cant close it.. do you know if theres any task manager for linux.. i know it sounds disqusting lol |
| 21:21.23 | jelly-home | Decepticon__: and hey, it stands for very secure ftpd, so it must be true! |
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| 21:21.27 | \amethyst | melodosgr: run ps from the command line |
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| 21:21.45 | sepski | methods[laptop], what about... grep ? man man | grep [something] |
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| 21:22.01 | ToHellWithGA | do grep -n |
| 21:22.09 | ToHellWithGA | so you can pin down a line number then browse to it |
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| 21:24.30 | methods[laptop] | i didn't think man would allow that |
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| 21:25.43 | stew | methods[laptop]: find /usr/share/man -type f | xargs zgrep pattern |
| 21:25.56 | jelly-home | methods[laptop]: be proactive, try things. |
| 21:26.04 | jelly-home | make backups beforehand |
| 21:26.32 | stew | methods[laptop]: if you just need to search names and descriptions, you can use apropos |
| 21:26.55 | methods[laptop] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.08 | gynterk | hey |
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| 21:29.56 | Tramp | methods[laptop]: no. That's nmap -sU -p 514 |
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| 21:31.06 | Ronin | !tell TwinX-aWay about away |
| 21:31.37 | gynterk | I have debian etch is it possible to set ACL so that if i create subdir it'll have same perms |
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| 21:32.43 | \amethyst | gynterk: setfacl -m d:u::rwx,d:g::rwx,d:o::- directory |
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| 21:33.25 | buu | So.. yeah. Where did libapache-mod-php go? |
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| 21:33.50 | \amethyst | gynterk: that sets the 'default' entries in the ACL, which are the permissions used for files and subdirectories created within the directory |
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| 21:34.11 | bzed | buu: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 21:34.27 | bzed | buu: there's also libapache2-mod-php4 on etch, if you really need an old php |
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| 21:34.39 | tt | Anyone knows how to start crossover office from cli? |
| 21:35.25 | methods[laptop] | its in /opt/cxoffice/bin |
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| 21:36.05 | buu | bzed: Erm. libapache2 works with apache1? |
| 21:36.05 | tt | methods[laptop]: thanks |
| 21:36.09 | Gyde | hey, how do I install a bin file on my system? |
| 21:37.10 | methods[laptop] | is there a command like logger that will let me test over the network ? |
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| 21:38.03 | gynterk | thanks |
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| 21:38.26 | mbroeker | methods[laptop], the syslog facility can send the data over the network to another syslog system. |
| 21:38.28 | bzed | buu: no. but if you ahve apache 1, you should have libapache-mod-php4 or so |
| 21:38.49 | buu | bzed: But .. I don't =[ |
| 21:39.13 | bzed | buu: apt-cache search libapache php |
| 21:39.20 | buu | # apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 21:39.24 | buu | Package libapache-mod-php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:39.38 | methods[laptop] | mbroeker: i just want to test |
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| 21:39.50 | bzed | buu: are you runnign sarge? |
| 21:39.56 | bzed | buu: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 probably |
| 21:40.06 | buu | bzed: 4 generates the same error. |
| 21:40.12 | mbroeker | login via ssh and check the damn remote thing, methods[laptop] |
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| 21:40.20 | gynterk | hmm odd |
| 21:40.21 | buu | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:40.21 | buu | lenny/sid |
| 21:40.33 | gynterk | \amethyst: setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 12 |
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| 21:41.12 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to get ones sound working in iceweasel? |
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| 21:41.44 | ToHellWithGA | buu is running ubuntu feisty fawn |
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| 21:41.58 | buu | ToHellWithGA: I am? |
| 21:42.04 | ToHellWithGA | (it also has lenny/sid in debian_version) |
| 21:42.12 | dokma | hi. how do I check which functions are defined within a library libalut.so ? |
| 21:42.13 | ToHellWithGA | naw, just jokes |
| 21:42.15 | buu | That's pretty cool, I wonder who hacked in and changed it. |
| 21:42.20 | buu | =[ |
| 21:42.27 | ToHellWithGA | buu: mark shuttleworth :P |
| 21:42.31 | buu | Uh oh! |
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| 21:43.07 | dokma | is there anything like ls for libraries? |
| 21:43.31 | gynterk | nevermind \amethyst, got working, thanks |
| 21:43.33 | methods[laptop] | hey how can i do a md5sum of my cd ? |
| 21:44.04 | buu | ToHellWithGA: Er, how do I figure out which architecture my debian has been compiled for? |
| 21:44.28 | dokma | found the nm command |
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| 21:45.02 | Gyde | how do I install a bin file on my system? |
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| 21:45.26 | Ronin | Gyde: what are you installing? are you positive its not available with aptitude? |
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| 21:46.11 | mooper | how do I parse incoming email? |
| 21:46.20 | ToHellWithGA | buu: uname -a (i think) |
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| 21:46.33 | buu | ToHellWithGA: Hrm. |
| 21:46.33 | Gyde | its maple 11 |
| 21:46.35 | ToHellWithGA | that should show the type of kernel you're running |
| 21:46.38 | Gyde | its in a bin file |
| 21:46.50 | mooper | so for instance If I have foo in the subject line it will put the attachments in foo/ |
| 21:46.58 | crooksey | The debian news page is starting to get really outdated, is it still being actively developed |
| 21:47.15 | stew | buu: dpkg-architecture |
| 21:47.16 | mooper | and the body in a database feild |
| 21:47.17 | pihhan | Gyde, you might try to run it, depends on installation instructions |
| 21:47.29 | Gyde | it just opens in KATE .. ? |
| 21:47.37 | Ronin | Gyde: check where you got it from, they should have instructions |
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| 21:47.57 | pihhan | Gyde, chmod u+x file.bin; ./file.bin; # might be insecure, be sure what are you running |
| 21:48.17 | buu | stew: Found it.. thanks.. but where is libapache-mod-php!? |
| 21:48.29 | Gyde | the instructions say, unrar and install .. |
| 21:48.30 | Gyde | hehe |
| 21:48.36 | dokma | how do I check which libraries an executable is referring to? |
| 21:48.47 | mbroeker | dokma, strings /usr/lib/libalut.so.0.1.0 | grep alut seems to work a bit. |
| 21:48.56 | dokma | mbroeker: yeah |
| 21:48.59 | pihhan | dokma, ldd /path/to/bin |
| 21:49.04 | dokma | I used that after nm didnt help |
| 21:49.09 | dokma | pihhan: tx! |
| 21:49.35 | pihhan | what media player are you using for music? |
| 21:49.39 | Gyde | pihhan .. then what? .. |
| 21:49.47 | mbroeker | pihhan, that shows the depending libs. not the content of the functions. |
| 21:49.49 | Gyde | the command just execututes nothing happens |
| 21:49.52 | stew | buu: libapache-mod-php4 or libapache-mod-php5 (or libapache2-mod-php4 libapache2-mod-php5) |
| 21:50.14 | buu | stew: the libapache-mod ones don't exist.. |
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| 21:50.36 | pihhan | mbroeker, of course, it will not show libraries opened using dlopen in code |
| 21:50.37 | stew | buu: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:50.55 | buu | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:50.55 | buu | lenny/sid |
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| 21:51.03 | gynterk | hmm |
| 21:51.07 | \amethyst | buu: apache is no longer around in lenny |
| 21:51.08 | gynterk | why getfacl says this user:www-data:rwx #effective:r-x |
| 21:51.09 | gynterk | ? |
| 21:51.11 | stew | buu: yeah, they were removed from sid. they still exist in stable and testing |
| 21:51.16 | pihhan | Gyde, check your archive, that there is no instruction about it |
| 21:51.26 | buu | stew: Hilarious. No more apache1 love? |
| 21:51.33 | \amethyst | gynterk: probably the mask ACL is r-x |
| 21:51.36 | pihhan | Gyde, bin is generic binary file, there is no procedure to do something with it |
| 21:51.46 | gynterk | yes yes |
| 21:51.55 | gynterk | but default mask is rwx :S |
| 21:51.59 | bucky | buu, we've been using apache2 for a few years |
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| 21:52.21 | Gyde | ahh ok .. Im just use to writing on a disc in windows .. |
| 21:52.25 | Gyde | that didn't work |
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| 21:52.49 | minus198 | Is it safe to use backports, or can it fuck up my system? |
| 21:52.50 | minus198 | :3 |
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| 21:53.14 | cast | from backports.org, it's pretty safe |
| 21:53.18 | pihhan | Gyde, you might try to mount it using mount -o loop image.bin /mnt, but if running did not fail, it is propably for running |
| 21:53.18 | buu | bucky: Heh, maybe you have.. |
| 21:53.20 | Eulex | doing _anything_ to your system is potentially unsafe. |
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| 21:53.30 | stew | buu: yes, they stopped building php support for apache many months ago. support for apahce1 will probably be removed entirely before the next release |
| 21:53.36 | buu | Wow. |
| 21:54.04 | minus198 | cast, well.. they don't have vlc.. |
| 21:54.14 | pihhan | is there license problems with mp3 format in europe? |
| 21:54.22 | cast | !tell minus198 about debian-multimedia |
| 21:54.26 | cast | they might |
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| 21:54.40 | minus198 | cast, thanks |
| 21:54.41 | stew | pihhan: yes. the technology is patented |
| 21:55.05 | gynterk | \amethyst: i mean like, if i unzip to this directory which has default directives it'll set everything correctly except the mask(r-x), but shows that default mask is rwx |
| 21:55.06 | pihhan | stew, do we care about computer patents in europe? i think still does not apply here |
| 21:55.18 | cast | installing something yourself in /usr/local/ is pretty safe, too |
| 21:55.19 | bucky | buu you're not alone http://tinyurl.com/2v6akx |
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| 21:55.41 | stew | pihhan: some parts of europe care. some may not |
| 21:55.46 | pihhan | !tell pihhan about debian-multimeda |
| 21:55.49 | gynterk | hmm |
| 21:55.51 | pihhan | !tell pihhan about debian-multimedia |
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| 21:56.11 | buu | bucky: This is because php is made 95% of fail. |
| 21:56.34 | Acxty | had someone use smstools |
| 21:56.44 | bucky | use lighttpd |
| 21:57.39 | gynterk | hmm |
| 21:57.44 | gynterk | whts that o ? |
| 21:57.53 | gynterk | u - user, g - group, o - ? |
| 21:58.09 | me_here | others |
| 21:58.11 | cast | man chmod, 'other users' |
| 21:58.13 | gynterk | ah yues ofc |
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| 21:58.16 | gynterk | thanks |
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| 21:58.31 | pihhan | dont you remember someone what was instruction to get back kcontrol menus after sarge-etch upgrade? |
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| 21:58.50 | pihhan | or maybe woody-sarge? |
| 21:58.57 | buu | Oh god. I've installed php. |
| 21:59.00 | buu | WHAT HAVE I DONE. |
| 21:59.13 | pihhan | have empty kcontrol and i am getting bored of it beeing empty |
| 21:59.38 | Gyde | hmm mount says I have to specify the filesystem type .. |
| 21:59.52 | pihhan | Gyde, it is propably not an image |
| 22:00.32 | Gyde | its strange I consulted all the readme files it just says.. Unzip / Unrar and install |
| 22:01.00 | Gyde | the file is called Maple11Linux32Installer.bin |
| 22:01.12 | jelly-home | buu: followed the users' wishes? |
| 22:01.23 | pihhan | Gyde, try to sh Maple11Linux32Installer.bin |
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| 22:01.36 | \amethyst | gynterk: what does file Maple11Linux32Installer.bin say? |
| 22:01.55 | Gyde | that seems to be work |
| 22:02.00 | Gyde | sh ? whats that |
| 22:02.03 | \amethyst | shell |
| 22:02.15 | \amethyst | the file is probably an executable |
| 22:02.33 | Gyde | so you Shell and executable file |
| 22:02.36 | Gyde | quite |
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| 22:02.52 | Gyde | whys that not the same as a double click |
| 22:03.24 | cast | well it could be, what happens when you double click is arbitrary to your file manager |
| 22:03.42 | Gyde | yeah ok .. |
| 22:03.50 | Gyde | but why is BIN a KATE file .. |
| 22:03.53 | Gyde | hehe, thx guys |
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| 22:08.01 | gynterk | any ideas about my mask thing ? |
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| 22:09.05 | me_here | put some tomatoes in it ? |
| 22:09.11 | me_here | lol |
| 22:09.22 | eike | i was asked (bug #452125) to add libacl1-dev and libattr1-dev to the Build-Depends of my package. any pointer what this might be good for? |
| 22:09.30 | gynterk | :D |
| 22:09.32 | gynterk | no really |
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| 22:10.21 | vy | Is there any web form we can submit new package requests? |
| 22:11.18 | eike | vy: look at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/index.html |
| 22:11.39 | \amethyst | eike: Handling of ACLs and extended attributes |
| 22:11.47 | eike | vy: but it seems its done via mail |
| 22:12.10 | eike | \amethyst: do i want my package to do this? why? :-) any web page to answer my questions? |
| 22:12.25 | stew | vy: run "reportbug wnpp" to report a "RFP" (Request For Packaging) (/msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg rfp) |
| 22:13.18 | vy | eike: stew: Thanks. |
| 22:15.37 | gynterk | ah nevermind |
| 22:15.38 | gynterk | got working |
| 22:15.43 | gynterk | many thanks \amethyst |
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| 22:17.47 | \amethyst | eike: looking at the source, I don't see anything that actually uses the acl or attr libraries |
| 22:17.57 | \amethyst | eike: so I don't know if adding them will help anything |
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| 22:19.05 | eike | \amethyst: thanks for having a look! i grepped for it too, but perhaps some magic is involved... :-) |
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| 22:19.21 | eike | \amethyst: i'll ask the bug submitter for moreinfo... |
| 22:19.29 | BigLittle | Hi can anyone help with a debian apache question? |
| 22:20.06 | \amethyst | eike: it would be *nice* if it preserved extended attributes and ACLs when copying files, but it doesn't seem to have logic to do so, that I can tell |
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| 22:20.24 | \amethyst | eike: then again, I don't know KDE |
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| 22:21.10 | eike | \amethyst: ubuntu added these build depends to their kdiff3 package, perhaps they know it better... |
| 22:21.47 | \amethyst | eike: they removed them in 0.9.90 then added them back in 0.9.92 |
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| 22:22.35 | eike | \amethyst: so they're not sure either... ;-) |
| 22:22.49 | \amethyst | eike: hmm, actually, there is something in the README |
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| 22:23.02 | \amethyst | eike: "Some secondary dependencies aren't correctly discovered by configure." |
| 22:23.11 | \amethyst | eike: and it mentions libacl |
| 22:23.29 | eike | \amethyst: ah, good! |
| 22:23.44 | \amethyst | eike: oh, hm |
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| 22:24.11 | \amethyst | eike: kdelibs4-dev depends on libacl1-dev and libattr1-dev |
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| 22:24.36 | \amethyst | eike: since you build-depend on kdelibs4-dev, you shouldn't need to explicitly build-depend on those two |
| 22:25.25 | bako1 | Question: I have a dedicated server running Debian Etch and i went to reboot and it hung, Now i am in rescue mode but I do not know what to look for to figure out why it is hanging? ANy links to sites discussing this or maybe some help would be great Thanks :) |
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| 22:25.33 | \amethyst | eike: unless there's something I am missing |
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| 22:26.16 | eike | \amethyst: i don't see anything you're missing (but many things i missed before asking...) |
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| 22:26.43 | eike | \amethyst: i'll grep through a build log, and when i find the packages, i can close the bug. |
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| 22:27.19 | eike | (a pbuilder build log) |
| 22:27.40 | ohcibi|lappi | hi folks... ive installed sudo and its not askin me for a password when i use it.... whats wrong? |
| 22:28.22 | bako1 | ohcibi|lappi:: did you edit the sudo file to add your username? |
| 22:28.32 | snewp | when mounting a certain dir for nfs .. do i need to touch fstab ? |
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| 22:28.48 | ohcibi|lappi | bako1: sure, i can use it, but its not askin for a password |
| 22:28.52 | nvz | snewp: not unless you want to |
| 22:29.09 | nvz | snewp: fstab doesn't have to be used at all for anything |
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| 22:29.14 | eike | \amethyst: yes, both packages are pulled in when building |
| 22:29.21 | bako1 | ohcibi|lappi: did it ever? you only have to enter it once if you continue to use it |
| 22:29.38 | nvz | snewp: its just a config file to specify specific options for mounts.. you can mount anything you want from the command line without it being in there |
| 22:29.54 | mbroeker | ohcibi|lappi, if you can use sudo as an ordinary user for any command, then your sudo installation is useless. |
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| 22:30.36 | ohcibi|lappi | bako1: it never asked.... |
| 22:31.01 | snewp | nvz, here's my error when i tried mounting .. http://pastebin.ca/791495 |
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| 22:31.40 | bako1 | ohcibi|lappi: not sure then |
| 22:32.03 | thiagomz | !apt-setup |
| 22:32.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-setup is a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 22:32.15 | nvz | snewp: do you even have nfs installed? driver loaded? |
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| 22:32.29 | snewp | lemme check |
| 22:32.33 | nvz | snewp: you didn't give the command with the error so I have no idea |
| 22:33.14 | snewp | bernardo@corp2:/etc$ sudo mount /home/bernardo/dotproject-backup/ |
| 22:33.20 | snewp | that's the command btw |
| 22:33.34 | nvz | I am stuck using a shitty little monitor and that pastebin.ca shows up with just the left side bar and I have to scroll down like 2 pages to see the right pane |
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| 22:33.44 | nvz | thats not a valid mount command |
| 22:33.54 | nvz | if you are gonna do that, you've got to show the fstab entry too |
| 22:34.09 | snewp | ow i got it .. i have to install portmap |
| 22:34.20 | snewp | thanks nvz |
| 22:34.55 | snewp | i was installing nfs-common but forgot portmap |
| 22:35.14 | nvz | ugh I am going to the store.. I wish I didn't have to pay this $40 back to someone.. |
| 22:35.37 | nvz | then again I did take out a loan.. |
| 22:35.43 | nvz | heh |
| 22:35.45 | snewp | see yah nvz |
| 22:35.47 | pihhan | is here anyone who upgraded from sarge to testing? |
| 22:36.08 | nvz | na, I really gotta pay him back I already waited like 4-5 days I've had the money |
| 22:36.52 | nvz | hmm or do I.. /me wanders off to double or nothing |
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| 22:37.13 | tacit_ | On my older thinkpad PII 300MHz 192MiB RAM I'm running xserver-xorg-video-neomagic on stable at 1024x768 24bit. I keep have unsatisfactory performance with scrolling and movement of windows. Where could I start reading and working on this? |
| 22:37.17 | pihhan | i have kde and kcontrol empty, seems it is #397057 bug, but i havent found well working solution there |
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| 22:37.59 | EruditeHermit | hi, is anyone experiencing a crash in gimp when you click anywhere in the drawing window? |
| 22:38.39 | EruditeHermit | I've tried versions from sid and lenny, and I've tried purging .gconf and .gimp* |
| 22:39.44 | mbroeker | pihhan, apt-get remove kde --purge and do this for all installed kde packages. after your system is kde-free, install it again. |
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| 22:39.44 | PyroMithrandir | whoa, netsplit |
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| 22:39.44 | zicho | can someone recommend a good laptop to run debian on? |
| 22:39.50 | pihhan | mbroeker, it is very hard solution, is there something less destructive? |
| 22:40.11 | bako1 | In Debian Rescue how can I find out the reason my system wont boot? |
| 22:40.13 | mbroeker | pihhan, never repair a broken kde install. reinstall it. |
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| 22:40.22 | bako1 | rescue mode* |
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| 22:40.50 | pihhan | you know i have many applications selected, i dont want select it all again, because i dont remember what i need |
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| 22:41.01 | nvz | bako1: you don't ? |
| 22:41.11 | pihhan | mbroeker, but i just get it broken by not touching it, this is weird |
| 22:41.12 | tacit_ | pihhan: Well you can save the list. |
| 22:41.12 | bako1 | nvz: i am new to linux |
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| 22:41.14 | bitbit | Hello, I'm trying to install Knoppix LiveCD on a new computer that has no OS installed, is that possible? |
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| 22:41.25 | nvz | bako1: if it were me I'd take the cd out and boot it, that will tell you why it wont boot based on where it stops |
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| 22:41.36 | bako1 | nvz: it is just shell access a dedicated server |
| 22:41.44 | nvz | bako1: if it didn't boot logging services never started and thus there are no logs to check from a CD |
| 22:41.46 | tacit_ | bitbit: off topic here. Read the Knoppix doc |
| 22:41.51 | pihhan | bitbit, why dont you install normal system there? |
| 22:41.52 | bako1 | nvz: so all i know is SSH wont boot and tech support at the hosting company is terrible |
| 22:41.53 | mbroeker | pihhan, try adept_manager |
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| 22:42.11 | nvz | bako1: how the hell do you get rescue mode on a remote system that wont boot? |
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| 22:42.26 | mbroeker | pihhan, enter kde in the textfield and make a screenshot ;) |
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| 22:42.27 | bitbit | tacit_: where do I find this doc? |
| 22:42.27 | mbroeker | pihhan, enter kde in the textfield and make a screenshot ;) |
| 22:42.33 | tacit | bitbit: on the knoppix mirrors |
| 22:42.36 | bako1 | nvz: they rescue it via the panel but they dont offer any help |
| 22:42.43 | nvz | bako1: either way this isn't mine or your problem.. if you are paying a company to host a server they are suppose to make the shit work, else don't pay them for their incompetence and move on |
| 22:42.44 | bako1 | nvz: worse tech support I have ever encountered |
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| 22:42.57 | bitbit | k, ty |
| 22:42.58 | bako1 | nvz: so now i am stuck and paying for it as we speak heh |
| 22:43.00 | OmnipotentEntity | Hello, I'm having a bit of trouble with USB devices. Whenever I plug a phone (or once, a camera) my computer immediately powers off. |
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| 22:43.06 | pihhan | damn, shouldnt it be simple to install one missing config by aptitude reinstall kdebase-data? |
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| 22:43.25 | pihhan | why it does not install kde-essential menu and all is ok? :( |
| 22:43.32 | nvz | bako1: well there's nothing we can do about it except tell you do get a better host |
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| 22:44.01 | tacit | OmnipotentEntity: Sound like a hardware defect. Tried a different power supply? |
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| 22:44.16 | bako1 | I was having a problem mounting the second drive so I reset it and it just hung so I have not a clue what the rror msg was :( |
| 22:44.20 | OmnipotentEntity | tacit, it doesn't do it unless Linux is running. |
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| 22:44.58 | mbroeker | pihhan, apt-get install kde-i18n-<your_lang> |
| 22:44.59 | bako1 | and I cannot find a link to any info on rescuemode |
| 22:45.06 | stew | jelly-home: /msg dpkg literal cmd: confuse (.*?) |
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| 22:45.40 | jelly-home | stew: 255 chars cut |
| 22:46.03 | stew | jelly-home: /msg dpkg tell me about literal cmd: confuse (.*?) |
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| 22:46.15 | jelly-home | stew: but thanks, I tried "literal confuse" and this works better |
| 22:46.24 | pihhan | oh damn, i want debian be best linux distribution with no weird bugs, and not windows-like reinstall the system when some error occurs |
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| 22:47.16 | stew | jelly-home: or http://dpkg.vireo.org/q/*confuse* |
| 22:47.19 | mbroeker | pihhan, you can reinstall kde safely while it is up and running. |
| 22:47.24 | robboplus | hm |
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| 22:47.36 | robboplus | what does it indicate in tcdump summary? |
| 22:47.37 | robboplus | 2831 packets received by filter |
| 22:47.37 | robboplus | 1509 packets dropped by kernel |
| 22:47.49 | robboplus | isn't it alot of dropped packets? and why is it like that? |
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| 22:48.04 | tacit | robboplus: Some packets might just not be for you :-) |
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| 22:48.20 | robboplus | tacit hm... what do you exactly mean by that? |
| 22:48.45 | bakon | <- bako1 |
| 22:48.49 | pihhan | mbroeker, i dont think so when i have to purge it first |
| 22:48.51 | bakon | did anyone respond to my question? |
| 22:48.57 | bakon | my connectyion dropped |
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| 22:49.13 | robboplus | tacit i run a bridge.. would it matter then? |
| 22:49.42 | pickcoder | maybe the kernel has a hole in its pocket... |
| 22:49.55 | tacit | robboplus: They were dropped because tcpdump wasn't able to display them all |
| 22:50.11 | mbroeker | pihhan, in fact: if you have a konsole ( kde xterm ) open and you remove and purge the corresponding package, it will still be usable, because the konsole is up and running(in memory). no problem. but dont try to open another konsole!!! |
| 22:50.22 | tacit | robboplus: If you run a bridge that figure should be lower. Maybe try the general interface stat in tcpdump |
| 22:50.54 | tacit | robboplus: Getting real NICs with more than the necessary hardware on them would help the CPU, too |
| 22:50.56 | robboplus | tacit oh so you mean that tcpdump was unable to capture everything because of high traffic and those packets were just dropped by tcpdump and NOT by my machine? |
| 22:51.17 | pihhan | mbroeker, i am going to extract that one menu file by hand then, i dont want mess with that all now |
| 22:51.43 | robboplus | tacit honestly speaking cpu usage is rather marginal... like 20% perhaps |
| 22:51.43 | tacit | robboplus: Well it didn't drop them a priori. |
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| 22:52.04 | k31th | morning :D |
| 22:52.05 | robboplus | tacit what i'm really digging into is this: |
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| 22:52.27 | k31th | is there a gnome wifi manager now that will do wpa? |
| 22:52.47 | k31th | i see *buntu has one, does debian use the same? |
| 22:53.08 | tacit | k31th: wpa_supplicant and it's gui |
| 22:53.09 | robboplus | tacit i have horribly bad networking performance for additional ip that i just ip aliased on that machine... e.g. i get 3KB/s when receiving a file over http VIA that ip and i get full speed with host's main ip... do you have an idea what can be causing this? malfunctioning bridge perhaps? |
| 22:53.16 | pickcoder | k31th: look on packages.debian.org for the same package name |
| 22:53.24 | k31th | kk |
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| 22:53.43 | robboplus | tacit or collisions? or else? just not sure what to check against possible problems |
| 22:53.54 | tacit | dunno |
| 22:53.54 | stew | k31th: network-manager-gnome |
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| 22:54.29 | mbroeker | pihhan, for i in $(dpkg-query -l | grep kde | awk '{ print $2 }'); do apt-get install --reinstall $i; done; |
| 22:54.35 | k31th | stew: i had that, maybe i was another issue then... like my card not being supported i seen it was loading the module ipw2200 tho. |
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| 22:54.37 | pickcoder | robboplus: do you see collisions or errors on the device under ifconfig? |
| 22:54.49 | k31th | i will have another play later. |
| 22:55.04 | robboplus | pickcoder none, it's 0 |
| 22:55.04 | stew | k31th: i can tell you for sure that my wife uses it to connect to wpa networks with her ipw2200 |
| 22:55.08 | minus198 | Why am I sent to my webserver instead of goole when typing something in the addressbar in iceweasel? |
| 22:55.16 | k31th | stew: wat version of deb? |
| 22:55.19 | robboplus | pickcoder i wonder if txqueuelen:1000 for eth0 is correct though |
| 22:55.23 | robboplus | can that matter? |
| 22:55.25 | jakub_ | hi |
| 22:55.26 | jakub_ | please how to do |
| 22:55.27 | stew | k31th: lenny |
| 22:55.38 | jakub_ | i have perl script - if the mail income the script will execute |
| 22:55.39 | pickcoder | robboplus: how is your bridge configured? |
| 22:55.40 | k31th | stew: how are you finding lenny? |
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| 22:56.00 | pickcoder | txqueuelen for all of my devices is 100, but I'm on 100Base-TX |
| 22:56.07 | robboplus | pickcoder hm to be honest "it just works"... i'm not sure how to answer your question |
| 22:56.07 | stew | minus198: "aptitude reinstall '~i~nkde'" is simpler, but i don't now what you are really going for |
| 22:56.13 | robboplus | hm.. i'm 100mbit myself there too |
| 22:56.28 | minus198 | stew, what does that do then? |
| 22:56.52 | pihhan | mbroeker, i was not only about to fix it, but also to find way it could be fixed using normal package operations |
| 22:56.59 | Hammar | does anyone have recommendations for a audio/video podcast managing software? |
| 22:57.00 | pihhan | mbroeker, what is strange is |
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| 22:58.05 | pihhan | dpkg -S /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu returned kdebase-data, but that file does not exist event after aptitude reinstall kdebase-data |
| 22:58.06 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu returned kdebase-data, but that file does not exist event after aptitude reinstall kdebase-data! |
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| 22:58.29 | pihhan | uh? |
| 22:58.51 | pihhan | what was that? |
| 22:58.53 | Hammar | :) |
| 22:59.03 | tacit | On my older thinkpad PII 300MHz 192MiB RAM I'm running xserver-xorg-video-neomagic on stable at 1024x768 24bit. I keep have unsatisfactory performance with scrolling and movement of windows. Where could I start reading and working on this? I read that some run the graphics on the framebuffer, what's the performance of that? |
| 22:59.17 | Hammar | your friendly neighbourhood bot |
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| 23:00.18 | pihhan | Hammar, i know what it is, but i dont know why it is reacting like this |
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| 23:05.40 | pihhan | tacit, framebuffer is slow in general |
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| 23:07.24 | Jyzygzy- | HAI GUISE, WELCUM BACK |
| 23:07.24 | pihhan | tacit, if you dont have accelerated driver support, it will be slow by principle |
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| 23:07.29 | zicho | Has anyone tried Debian or another distro on a Zepto 3215 W? |
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| 23:07.29 | Eulex | Jyzygzy-, NO U |
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| 23:07.30 | robboplus_ | re |
| 23:07.30 | robboplus_ | oh damn it pickcoder is gone.. i just got discon... anyone saw if he sent any reply my way? please paste if so |
| 23:07.31 | robboplus_ | pickcoder! |
| 23:07.31 | robboplus_ | i just got booted... same as you it seems :) |
| 23:07.31 | pickcoder | no the channel flood killed my app |
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| 23:07.31 | robboplus_ | something similar happened to me a sec ago |
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| 23:07.33 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 23:07.34 | robboplus_ | pickcoder: the last thing i received from you was info that your txqueuelen = 100 |
| 23:07.34 | SamuraiDio | my iceweasel is segfaulting... |
| 23:07.34 | pickcoder | robboplus: is your device in promiscuous mode? |
| 23:07.34 | robboplus_ | yes it is promisc |
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| 23:07.34 | SamuraiDio | how can i debug it, to see what's happening to cause it? |
| 23:07.34 | pickcoder | is there any reason for that? |
| 23:07.51 | robboplus_ | pickcoder the br0 |
| 23:07.51 | pickcoder | argrrr |
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| 23:07.55 | robboplus_ | FUCK! |
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| 23:07.59 | pickcoder | robboplus_: no the main device |
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| 23:08.04 | robboplus_ | pickcoder i mean eth0 is the main one and it's set into promisc to allow br0 to work |
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| 23:08.04 | robboplus_ | pickcoder or do you mean i don't need promisc to run a bridge? |
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| 23:08.05 | pickcoder | is it an unmanaged network? |
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| 23:08.05 | robboplus_ | yes |
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| 23:08.10 | robboplus_ | pickcoder btw... i'm 100mbit there |
| 23:08.10 | pickcoder | robboplus_: no it has to be in promisc mode to forward packets |
| 23:08.13 | k31th_ | has thunderbird been renamed like iceweasel |
| 23:08.14 | dondelelcaro | k31th_: yes; it's icedove |
| 23:08.17 | robboplus_ | pickcoder how about that txqueuelen being set to 1000? |
| 23:08.17 | ToHellWithGA | k31th_: yes |
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| 23:08.17 | robboplus_ | perhaps it may cause troubles |
| 23:08.17 | ToHellWithGA | .me gets the too slow award :/ |
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| 23:08.30 | pickcoder | robboplus_: it's probably 1000 due to the virtual device and bridge |
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| 23:08.30 | pickcoder | I never actually looked at that when playing with brctl |
| 23:08.30 | dutchfish | how can i set the kernels ondemand shedular to scale its min frequency to a certain level at boot up, not its lowest? |
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| 23:08.33 | robboplus_ | pickcoder i set it like that myself |
| 23:08.33 | dcnoye | what do i use to repair hfs+ when fsck / disk utillies doesn't work |
| 23:08.33 | robboplus_ | pickcoder i thought that 100 is just too short... |
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| 23:09.05 | Jyzygzy- | anyone know how to read .rrd files? |
| 23:09.08 | karsten | dcnoye: a rubber chicken and goat entrails. |
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| 23:09.17 | karsten | Jyzygzy-: WTF are .rrd files? |
| 23:09.42 | Jyzygzy- | file says: RRDTool DB version 0001 |
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| 23:09.50 | dutchfish | how can i set the kernels ondemand shedular to scale its min frequency to a certain level at boot up, not its lowest? or how to script [cpufreq-set -d 750M] at boot as an example? |
| 23:09.59 | Jyzygzy- | i have all these cool .rrd files |
| 23:10.05 | Jyzygzy- | i wanna see what they contain |
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| 23:10.27 | karsten | dcnoye: check to see if fsck has a hfs+ module / mode. Borrow a mac. ddrecover or ddrescue, whatever it's called. |
| 23:10.32 | dcnoye | karsten: i has a rubber chicken... not goats |
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| 23:11.51 | pickcoder | robboplus_: set it to 100 and see if your problems go away |
| 23:12.10 | DawnLight | i've got linux-patch-debian. how do i apply it? the script is giving me some errors |
| 23:12.36 | karsten | dcnoye: Depends on how badly hosed the filesystem is. |
| 23:12.43 | tacit | pihhan: It's a NM2200 model (from xorg log) that is claimed to be accellerated. Well, I'll play around with the options more |
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| 23:13.31 | dcnoye | karsten: hmmm |
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| 23:18.24 | sturmfuehrer | good day |
| 23:18.33 | TTimo | lo |
| 23:18.42 | sturmfuehrer | I just wondered |
| 23:18.47 | TTimo | hey I'm checking out the Debian KDE4 live cd, but it's asking for a login |
| 23:18.56 | sturmfuehrer | is there a solution for the new tzdata bug? |
| 23:19.13 | stew | sturmfuehrer: which? |
| 23:19.18 | stew | TTimo: ask #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
| 23:19.23 | sturmfuehrer | 2007f |
| 23:19.31 | stew | sturmfuehrer: which bug? is it in the bts? |
| 23:19.40 | TTimo | stew: thanks |
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| 23:19.47 | Hammar | what would be a good alternative to democracyplayer/miro? |
| 23:20.01 | tarzeau | Hammar: to do what? |
| 23:20.18 | tacit | ops nick "sturmfuehrer" |
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| 23:20.28 | sturmfuehrer | yep? |
| 23:20.38 | sturmfuehrer | I was searching for the error message... |
| 23:20.38 | Hammar | aggregate video/audio podcasts |
| 23:20.47 | bonez45 | is there an exim channel on freenode? |
| 23:20.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:21.00 | tarzeau | #exim |
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| 23:22.00 | simonrvn | i guess /join #exim is too hard |
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| 23:22.20 | DarkBahamut | hi everyone |
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| 23:23.12 | sander_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 --sport 7676 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.4 <-- Is that the right syntax for forwarding from port 7676 to port 80 on tha given ip? |
| 23:23.26 | DarkBahamut | nvz: hey |
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| 23:25.02 | snewp | video codec "Windows Media 9" is not handled this is the error i got in totem .. what plugin or codec should i install ? |
| 23:25.51 | simonrvn | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:25.51 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 23:29.48 | EruditeH1rmit | hi, can anyone help me with gimp? I keep getting a crash whenever I click on the window. I get the following error message in the console when run from a terminal: http://rafb.net/p/CCVhFw32.html |
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| 23:35.53 | Tramp | sander_: from what you write I suspect you may want --dport 7676 and --to-destination <ip>:80 - not sure though what exactly you want. |
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| 23:39.14 | lontra | what's the qemu accelerator called in debian? |
| 23:39.42 | grendal_prime | kqemu |
| 23:39.47 | grendal_prime | its damn fast |
| 23:40.00 | lontra | kqemu-common or kqemu-source? |
| 23:40.09 | grendal_prime | i think you need both |
| 23:40.14 | grendal_prime | it taints the kernel though |
| 23:40.20 | grendal_prime | ..if you care about that...i dont |
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| 23:40.32 | sander_ | Tramp, still not working with: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 7676 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.4:80 |
| 23:41.01 | Tramp | sander_: What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 23:41.12 | grendal_prime | Tramp: ...i like you name |
| 23:41.17 | grendal_prime | nic |
| 23:41.21 | sander_ | Trying to get my internal apache server on 192.168.1.4 working on port 7676 |
| 23:41.27 | Tramp | ah. |
| 23:41.29 | sander_ | 192.168.1.1 have an outside ip. From that box I want to access my other apache server |
| 23:41.57 | Tramp | then switch the numbers. --dport 80 ..... --to-destination <ip>:7676 |
| 23:42.21 | sander_ | Well.. my apache server is at 192.168.1.4:80 |
| 23:42.30 | frog | i have tun module, but i have no br0 interface |
| 23:42.38 | Tramp | sander_: then what is the 7676?? |
| 23:43.47 | Tramp | sander_: if you just want dnat (i.e. incoming connections on port 80 forwarded to you internal server on port 80) then leave the port in the --to-destination. |
| 23:44.30 | sander_ | The port 7676 on 192.168.1.1 I want forwarded to 192.168.1.4 |
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| 23:44.44 | sander_ | 192.168.1.4:80 |
| 23:45.23 | puchu | hi |
| 23:45.42 | puchu | how can i get a list of the state of all of my init scripts? |
| 23:45.47 | Tramp | sander_: is anybody connecting to 192.168.1.1:7676? |
| 23:45.55 | puchu | i mean to see which get started at bootup |
| 23:46.16 | stew | puchu: ls /etc/rc2.d/S* |
| 23:46.29 | puchu | thanks |
| 23:46.29 | stew | puchu: and ls /etc/rcS.d/S* |
| 23:46.31 | stew | (S is executed first) |
| 23:46.45 | Tramp | sander_: so the .1.1 is your eth0, right? |
| 23:47.24 | sander_ | eth0: 62.16.180.203 eth1: 192.168.1.1 |
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| 23:47.46 | sander_ | People should connect at 62.16.180.203:7676 |
| 23:47.52 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: hm, wonder why would kqemu taint the kernel, it's been gpled some time ago |
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| 23:48.18 | lontra | one other quick question ... how do i set my fonts for kde apps if i am using gnome and don't have kcontrol installed? |
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| 23:48.51 | Tramp | sander_: well, then the first suggeston should work. however, the connection will not appear to come from 192.168.1.1 - that would be proxying. It comes from the real IP of whoever connected. |
| 23:48.57 | Nwallins|home | if i get 'device busy' when trying to fsck, what does that mean? did the drive crash? |
| 23:49.26 | Nwallins|home | how can I troubleshoot? there shouldn't be anything accessing the drive, and it's not mounted |
| 23:49.57 | jelly-home | lontra: I use xfce, and kcontrol to change the looks of kde apps. :-| |
| 23:50.16 | puchu | Nwallins|home try lsof|grep path to dev or path to mountpoint |
| 23:50.37 | jelly-home | lontra: since you already have some kde specific apps kcontrol won't probably bring in much more cruft |
| 23:50.58 | Deceptic1n__ | how do i test the speed of my hdds, what package has such a tool |
| 23:51.01 | lontra | jelly-home: ok |
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| 23:51.06 | sander_ | Tramp, strange.. I cant get it to work.. |
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| 23:51.17 | Tramp | sander_: you may, however, need an appropriate rule in the FORWARD chain of your filter table. |
| 23:51.33 | sander_ | Tramp, The forward rule is set to ACCEPT |
| 23:51.37 | jelly-home | Deceptic1n__: bonnie++ is a nice testsuite |
| 23:51.46 | lontra | also ... i install virtualbox-ose and virtual box is complaining that virtualbox-ose-modules package ins't installed ... but that package isn't available in debian ... any ideas? |
| 23:51.46 | Deceptic1n__ | is it a cli prog or a gui |
| 23:52.35 | jelly-home | Deceptic1n__: definitely cli |
| 23:52.39 | Deceptic1n__ | awesome |
| 23:52.43 | Tramp | sander_: can you pastebin iptables -nvL -t nat and iptables -nvL |
| 23:52.51 | Deceptic1n__ | i will check it out now with apt-get |
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| 23:55.07 | Deceptic1n__ | hmmm... im seeing â characters instead of ' in man pages... whats up with that |
| 23:55.52 | sander_ | Tramp, http://pastebin.ca/791610 |
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| 23:56.59 | DarkBahamut | hey does anyone know how to use the kernal from a live-cd as a kernal on etch? |
| 23:57.14 | lontra | how come /etc/init.d/vboxdrv isn't included w/ virtualbox-ose and where do i get it from? |
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| 23:57.43 | Tramp | sander_: hmm. looks good to me. Can you "tcpdump -i eth1 tcp port 80"? |
| 23:57.47 | Nwallins|home | puchu: nothing |
| 23:57.55 | Deceptic1n__ | jelly-home: can you give me a sample command you'd use with bonnie++ |
| 23:57.59 | puchu | Nwallins|home which device |
| 23:58.03 | Nwallins|home | puchu: lsof | grep sda1 |
| 23:58.20 | puchu | mount|grep sda1 |
| 23:58.25 | Nwallins|home | nil |
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| 23:58.40 | mentor | terminal charset/font? |
| 23:58.45 | puchu | dont know |
| 23:59.26 | sander_ | Tramp, on 1.1 or 1.4? |
| 23:59.43 | Tramp | sander_: on 1.1 |