| 00:00.10 | sander_ | Tramp, I dont get anything |
| 00:00.18 | Tramp | sander_: wait |
| 00:00.32 | Tramp | sander_: nothing? |
| 00:00.45 | sander_ | Tramp, nothing |
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| 00:01.58 | Tramp | sander_: ok. tcpdump -ni eth0 port 7676 - to check if I reach you. |
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| 00:03.21 | sander_ | Seems like I got something on tcpdump -ni eth0 port 7676 |
| 00:03.32 | sander_ | And I also got something on tcpdump -n -i eth1 dst port 80 |
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| 00:04.36 | sander_ | Tramp, now it works |
| 00:04.40 | Jyzygzy- | how do you make that alias command saves automatically ur aliasses |
| 00:04.47 | Tramp | sander_: magic, isn't it 8) |
| 00:04.50 | sander_ | Tramp, I removed -i eth0 |
| 00:04.51 | lontra | can someone help me with this? http://www.pastebin.ca/791623 < -- i don't have /etc/init.d/vboxdrv and i have install both virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-source |
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| 00:05.03 | zicho | Has anyone tried Debian or another distro on a Zepto 3215 W? |
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| 00:05.06 | sander_ | Tramp, since I was connected on 1.7 on eth1 |
| 00:05.17 | Tramp | sander_: huh? |
| 00:06.18 | sander_ | The packets came trough the interface eth1 and not eth0 when querying http://62.16.180.203:7676 |
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| 00:06.42 | sander_ | and my DNAT rule had -i eth0 |
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| 00:06.59 | Tramp | sander_: you said eth0 was your external IF (the 62...) |
| 00:07.09 | sander_ | Yes |
| 00:07.20 | sander_ | But I'm located inside the firewall |
| 00:07.30 | sander_ | on an local ip |
| 00:07.36 | sander_ | on eth1 |
| 00:07.57 | sander_ | So it worked for everyone else than myself untill now |
| 00:07.57 | Tramp | this, you said iirc, was the 1.1 |
| 00:08.13 | Tramp | sander_: ah, for your testing - of course. |
| 00:08.21 | sander_ | Yep |
| 00:08.37 | sander_ | Thanks alot for your help |
| 00:08.50 | Tramp | sander_: np. |
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| 00:10.41 | melodosgr | hi gyus! has anyone got any idea why i cannot use any other programs on my debian machine but just the default ones when im playing files through a windows computer network? |
| 00:10.43 | Tramp | sander_: I just can say, that it doesn't work for me though - if there is supposed to be anything responding. |
| 00:11.19 | alanhaggai | Hi, what can I do to solve this error message? Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed. It is interfering with dpkg and I am not able to install any .deb file. |
| 00:11.40 | sander_ | Tramp, doesnt the link http://62.16.180.203:7676 work? |
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| 00:16.04 | Tramp | sander_: nope |
| 00:16.51 | Jyzygzy- | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 00:17.03 | Jyzygzy- | -bash: ./scriot: cannot execute binary file |
| 00:17.14 | Jyzygzy- | what the fucking fuck |
| 00:17.19 | Jyzygzy- | i just made it with a text editor |
| 00:17.24 | Jyzygzy- | its not a fucking binary |
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| 00:17.31 | snewp | executable ? |
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| 00:17.37 | Crissi | hello |
| 00:17.43 | Jyzygzy- | i chmod +xed it |
| 00:17.47 | snewp | ow |
| 00:17.48 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what is the first line of the file? |
| 00:17.58 | Crissi | i looked for good backup solution and rsnapshot seems to do what i want |
| 00:18.06 | Jyzygzy- | #!/bin/bash |
| 00:18.14 | Jyzygzy- | or not |
| 00:18.19 | Crissi | only one problem i have: rsync use too much memory |
| 00:18.29 | Crissi | how i can pevent rsync from that? |
| 00:18.50 | Crissi | it uses 1.8GB ram and 600MB swap as i kill it |
| 00:18.59 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: run it multiple times using smaller portions of your filesystem |
| 00:19.09 | Crissi | thats problematic |
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| 00:19.18 | sander_ | Tramp, Strange. Any idea what could be wrong? |
| 00:19.19 | Crissi | i had this problem in 2005 too |
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| 00:19.32 | Crissi | but now is 2007 and it seems not solved yet |
| 00:19.33 | sobersabre | hi guys. I have a little mess with nis. |
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| 00:19.51 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: the problem is that in order to work, rsync needs to keep all of the information about what files to transfer in memory |
| 00:20.03 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: if you've got millions of files, this is problematic. |
| 00:20.15 | Crissi | yes i have so much files |
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| 00:20.16 | sobersabre | a user entry has the form of username:<passwd hash>:uid:gid:... the rest |
| 00:20.22 | sobersabre | in the file passwd |
| 00:20.26 | Tramp | sander_: what do you see when you tcpdump on 1.1, port 80? |
| 00:20.34 | sobersabre | which should have "x" instead of the hash |
| 00:20.37 | Crissi | wahy there is not an option to build list on hd instead of ram? |
| 00:20.45 | sobersabre | and in the shadow file there's MD5 hash too. |
| 00:20.56 | sobersabre | which hash is authenticating such user ? |
| 00:21.04 | sobersabre | ( I want to delete the irrelevant ) |
| 00:21.12 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: because it'd be intollerably slow |
| 00:21.16 | sobersabre | the hash in passwd or in shadow ?! |
| 00:21.17 | Crissi | dondelelcaro: maybe i should mad a bug report |
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| 00:21.23 | Crissi | its slow |
| 00:21.57 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: the easiest thing is just to rsync in a couple of waves |
| 00:22.00 | Crissi | if it has collected all files in the dir (~ 80GB) it needs several hours |
| 00:22.04 | sander_ | Tramp, tcpdump -ni eth0 port 80 shows me: 01:21:45.895669 IP 192.168.1.4.80 > 85.232.172.111.58239: S 2426891478:2426891478(0) ack 2869839737 win 5792 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 1301279419 24918145,nop,wscale 0> |
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| 00:22.20 | Crissi | if i'm right cp can do same (hard links) |
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| 00:22.41 | Crissi | i think i should drop a mail to the the rsync maintainer |
| 00:22.42 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: how exactly are you measuring the memory usage of rsync though? |
| 00:22.49 | Crissi | htop |
| 00:23.02 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: looking at which values? |
| 00:23.10 | Crissi | it shows me the usage of the rsync process |
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| 00:23.41 | Deceptic1n__ | what happened to debhelper |
| 00:23.43 | Deceptic1n__ | must be lagging |
| 00:23.43 | dondelelcaro | hello OOM killer |
| 00:23.47 | Tramp | sander_: well, that's the reply for me. just doesn't seem to reach me. |
| 00:23.48 | Crissi | rsync -a --delete --numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded |
| 00:23.51 | Crissi | debhelper: fuck you |
| 00:23.57 | Deceptic1n__ | debhelper might be lagging |
| 00:24.04 | Deceptic1n__ | and saw your msgs as a flood |
| 00:24.26 | Crissi | rsync -a --delete --numeric-ids --relative --delete-excluded |
| 00:24.30 | Crissi | one line! |
| 00:24.33 | CalJohn | dpkg doesn't chat back :( |
| 00:24.45 | dondelelcaro | yes, the box that it's on is under heavy load. |
| 00:24.58 | sander_ | Tramp, 01:24:03.111743 IP 38.99.44.101.42995 > 62.16.180.203.80: S 3548521257:3548521257(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 891867427 0,nop,wscale 5> |
| 00:25.07 | CalJohn | dondelelcaro: ok, thankyou, I'll just wait |
| 00:25.28 | Tramp | sander_: that's on eth0, I presume |
| 00:25.43 | sander_ | yes |
| 00:25.44 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: and which line are you reading the memory usage from? RSS? VSS? SHR? |
| 00:26.45 | Tramp | sander_: the forwarding works. It's the way back which is not yet working. The reply from .1.4 reaches 1.1 but does not go out on eth0. |
| 00:26.49 | Crissi | SHR |
| 00:27.00 | Jyzygzy- | can you execute commands from vim? |
| 00:27.01 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: uh... SHR isn't particularly useful to be looking at. |
| 00:27.22 | Crissi | i also saw how the mem is used and and swap |
| 00:27.44 | dondelelcaro | all of the memory should always be used; swap gets used if memory isn't being actively used. |
| 00:27.53 | sander_ | Tramp, shouldnt the reply get back when I have this rule: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 00:28.11 | Crissi | it uses a lot of mem because a lot of files. so i think rsync is still bad |
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| 00:28.18 | Crissi | since 2005 |
| 00:28.20 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
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| 00:28.29 | Crissi | as i test it with large dirs |
| 00:28.36 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: again, rsync is going to use some memory, but it should be reasonable. |
| 00:28.50 | Crissi | some... |
| 00:29.07 | melodosgr | can someone tell me if there is any other way to connect to my netwrork apart nautilus? i heard something bout CIFS.. any ideas? |
| 00:29.23 | Crissi | i would be intelligent if rsync do sync after 10000 files and then go to next |
| 00:29.40 | Crissi | but its bad |
| 00:29.46 | dondelelcaro | it should be able to handle a million files in a single go. |
| 00:29.47 | melodosgr | anyone? |
| 00:29.54 | Crissi | i have 2GB ram and 2 gb swap... too less |
| 00:29.56 | Tramp | sander_: yeah. should. Just trying to figure it out. |
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| 00:30.02 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: In any event, if you're not going to give me actual data, I can't help you. |
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| 00:30.21 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: you can file a bug, but it's doubtfull that the maintainer will be able to without that information either. |
| 00:30.50 | darkbahamut | nvz: hey, you there? |
| 00:31.00 | Crissi | i dont think so |
| 00:31.02 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: specifically, I need to know how many files are being transfered, the contents of /proc/<rsyncpid>/smaps, the output of free; and the ps axfu; line for the rsync process. |
| 00:31.11 | Crissi | its known in faq of rsync |
| 00:31.24 | Crissi | but it mades it unusable |
| 00:31.35 | Crissi | wait a mom |
| 00:31.40 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: so don't use it then |
| 00:31.55 | Crissi | i start a find to find the files and get the cound |
| 00:31.57 | Crissi | count |
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| 00:35.44 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:38.23 | Tramp | sander_: ok. In two terminals set up a "tcpdump -ni eth? host 85.232.172.111 or icmp". Do it for both eth1 and eth0. Tell me, when you're ready. Let me test, then pastebin the output. |
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| 00:39.19 | darkbahamut | hey does anyone know the command to make a directory in the terminal? |
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| 00:39.31 | Anoninon | Hi, I'm having a very strange (and new) issue in KDE only (I also use gnome and xfce). I'm getting a tone loop (low tone) , every 3 seconds or so (last about 1 sec) |
| 00:40.01 | sander_ | Tramp, ready |
| 00:40.31 | Anoninon | amazing |
| 00:40.31 | Tramp | sander_: ok, done. Should have produced some output. |
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| 00:41.01 | Anoninon | nevermind - it's my wifi. how lame. |
| 00:41.04 | sander_ | Tramp, http://pastebin.ca/791674 |
| 00:41.09 | Tramp | darkbahamut: like, er, mkdir? |
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| 00:41.19 | sander_ | Tramp, eth1 didnt show any output |
| 00:41.25 | darkbahamut | Tramp: umm ill try.. sry im new to linux |
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| 00:42.27 | darkbahamut | Tramp: yea that worked, thanks :D |
| 00:42.34 | sander_ | Tramp, now also 4 lines of this came: 01:41:52.991067 IP 62.16.176.85 > 202.97.238.200: icmp 493: 62.16.176.85 udp port 1026 unreachable |
| 00:42.40 | Tramp | darkbahamut: that was easy 8) |
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| 00:43.20 | delsvr | no-ip vs. dyndns? |
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| 00:43.41 | Tramp | sander_: uhm. There is something not ok with your network-setup. Why are there packets from/to .1.4 visible on your eth0, if this is your external IF?? |
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| 00:44.27 | Tramp | sander_: paste an ifconfig -a and netstat -nr |
| 00:44.39 | sander_ | Tramp, on 1.4 or 1.1? |
| 00:44.53 | Tramp | sander_: 1.1 |
| 00:45.43 | sander_ | Tramp, http://pastebin.ca/791681 |
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| 00:46.09 | sander_ | Tramp, Does it matter that 1.4 also have an external ip on its own? |
| 00:46.42 | sander_ | Only problem is that this external ip dosnt work at the moment |
| 00:46.58 | Tramp | sander_: uh - so it has an external IF parallel to the eth0 of the firewall? |
| 00:47.00 | SJr|Work | Hmmmm something puked when I was upgrading with apt on my debian 3.1 testing box. When it boots mysql, bind9, lwresd all hang. Anyone have any ideas |
| 00:47.32 | sander_ | Tramp, 1.1 is not a default gateway for 1.4 |
| 00:47.48 | azeem | sander_: 3.1 isn't testing, it's oldstable |
| 00:47.56 | SJr|Work | Hmmmm when I do an ldd, it looks like linux-gate.so.1 may not be found |
| 00:47.57 | azeem | sander_: so paste the full output of apt |
| 00:48.01 | azeem | eh |
| 00:48.15 | azeem | s/sander_/SJr|Work/ |
| 00:48.30 | SJr|Work | azeem um that was days ago, the system crashed it just came back up |
| 00:49.08 | Tramp | sander_: hmmm. You are misleading me. eth1 is 0.1, not 1.1. 1.1 is a virtual IF on eth0. |
| 00:49.13 | zicho | How can I make a shell script that checks if I use a specific keymap, and if not, change to it and then change back if i run the script again? |
| 00:49.30 | SJr|Work | now I'm trying to find why mysql, bind9, and lswresd won't start |
| 00:49.37 | simonrvn | with an editor |
| 00:49.48 | sander_ | Tramp, sorry. Yeah. Thats the case |
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| 00:50.01 | Tramp | sander_: that's why I see the packets for the private network on the "external IF". |
| 00:50.30 | sander_ | Yeah |
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| 00:51.39 | SJr|Work | apt-get check says there are no broken dependancies |
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| 00:52.01 | rdz | is there any way of installing a new system by having only two hd's but no cd-rom drive? |
| 00:52.08 | sander_ | Tramp, did it clear it up? |
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| 00:52.44 | Tramp | sander_: Well, I get the picture now, but I have to rearrange my mechanical brain now to the new topology. |
| 00:52.50 | dondelelcaro | rdz: rip out drive, use usb key, network boot, plug in cdrom, etc. |
| 00:52.57 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg |
| 00:52.58 | dpkg | from memory, rube goldberg is a cartoonist who created crazy complicated contraptions for performing various mundane tasks; see http://www.rube-goldberg.com/html/gallery.htm |
| 00:53.03 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:53.03 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:53.09 | sobersabre | hi guys., I've been kicked quiet wierdly |
| 00:53.09 | Fri13 | Hi! Does someone know good source (other than wikipedia) what makes clear definitions between "operation system" and "Distribution" ? |
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| 00:53.23 | rdz | dondelelcaro, thank oyu a lot for the hints |
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| 00:53.37 | sander_ | Tramp, ok |
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| 00:54.14 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: what in particular about them? Defining a distribution is easy, but deciding what part of a distribution is the operating system is kind of hard. |
| 00:54.49 | rdz | dondelelcaro, can you tell me more about 'rip out drive'? only a few key words that enable me to google for what i am looking for |
| 00:55.09 | dondelelcaro | rdz: oh, take out a hard drive, plug it into a machine that has a cdrom/dvd/network/* and install there. |
| 00:55.18 | OlaX | Fri13: Wordnet or Jargon File |
| 00:55.20 | dondelelcaro | rdz: usually that method is used for laptops and other devices which have "issues" |
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| 00:55.30 | Tramp | sander_: hmmm... what is the default-gw for the 1.4? |
| 00:55.30 | Fri13 | OlaX: okay, i check those |
| 00:55.37 | sobersabre | guys, this is a basic question: if in a system both - passwd and shadow files contain 2 different hashes. |
| 00:55.41 | OlaX | Fri13: or the Free On-line Dictionary of Computing |
| 00:55.45 | sobersabre | which hash is 1st checked ? |
| 00:55.50 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: so long as shadow is on, only shadow is used. |
| 00:55.52 | sobersabre | in the shadow or in passwd ? |
| 00:55.53 | rdz | dondelelcaro, i have drive, but no cd-r.. |
| 00:56.06 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, this is a nis based system. |
| 00:56.11 | dondelelcaro | rdz: does this machine have windows on it or something? |
| 00:56.11 | sobersabre | that'swhy I am confused. |
| 00:56.14 | OlaX | Fri13: have you installed 'dict', it should search all of those. |
| 00:56.15 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: just one guy is arguing that distribution definition is old and it dont exist anymore and there is only different operation systems on market what use linux kernel. |
| 00:56.25 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: it should be using nis and pam. |
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| 00:56.40 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, it does, but still... |
| 00:56.50 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: pam is what does authentication, not nis. |
| 00:56.50 | sobersabre | how do you suggest I debug this one ? |
| 00:56.54 | rdz | donaldo, windows running and to harddisk, one of them is empty and i would like to put debian on it |
| 00:56.56 | sobersabre | nis is the db. |
| 00:57.05 | rdz | *two |
| 00:57.07 | sobersabre | I know, but pam should have some kind of ordering. |
| 00:57.13 | sander_ | Tramp, 62.16.176.1 |
| 00:57.21 | Tramp | sander_: I didn't let you dump the link-layer because I thought it was irrelevant. However, now I think the packets from 1.4 in the dump actually go to the default-GW of 1.4 and not back to 1.1 where they belong (remember, they have my public IP) |
| 00:57.22 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: sure, and the ordering is to use shadow passwords if they're enabled. |
| 00:57.30 | sobersabre | nsswitch defines ordering in the sources. |
| 00:57.32 | Tramp | sander_: well that's the problem then. |
| 00:57.34 | rdz | dondelelcaro, sorry.. i mean you: two harddisk, one running windows, the other empty, where i would like to install debian |
| 00:57.40 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, are you 100% sure of this ? |
| 00:58.08 | sander_ | Tramp, for some strange reason, the external interface on 1.4 just came online. |
| 00:58.10 | Tramp | sander_: the dnatted packets have my public IP, so 1.4 sends them back to my public IP via it's default-GW - the never go through 1.1 |
| 00:58.27 | sander_ | Tramp, Okay |
| 00:58.39 | sander_ | So.. it works now? |
| 00:58.41 | Tramp | sander_: The setup as it is will never work, since the routing is "triangular" |
| 00:58.44 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: yes. man pam_unix; if you don't believe me and/or read your /etc/pam/common-password |
| 00:59.07 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, it's not that I don't believe you. |
| 00:59.10 | sander_ | Tramp, ok. I get it. |
| 00:59.17 | sobersabre | I just don't want to delete the wrong hash :) : ): ) |
| 00:59.33 | sander_ | Tramp, but as long as 1.4 is accessible trough its own ip... then I'm good with that. |
| 00:59.34 | Tramp | sander_: no. The packets from 1.4 (to the world) have to go back through 1.1 to be masqueraded and re-mangled (portwise) |
| 00:59.46 | sander_ | Ok |
| 01:00.16 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, it says pam_unix.so |
| 01:00.19 | Tramp | sander_: well. was a nice puzzle though 8) |
| 01:00.30 | SJr|Work | What are the core debian packages that need to be installed |
| 01:00.30 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: you should only have x in the passwd file; if you want to test, just make a backup, and delete it for a single user, and see. |
| 01:00.47 | dondelelcaro | SJr|Work: those that are Essential: yes and their dependencies. |
| 01:00.48 | SJr|Work | allegedly ld-linux.so is missing but the package it is, appears to be there |
| 01:01.08 | SJr|Work | dondelelcaro hmmm when I do an apt-get install mysql-server it doesn't seem to think any packages are missing |
| 01:01.15 | dondelelcaro | SJr|Work: you probably need to reinstall that package, then. |
| 01:01.17 | SJr|Work | nor does apt-get check say anything is removed |
| 01:01.45 | SJr|Work | um do you think it's a good/bad or horrible idea to do a dist-upgrade right now |
| 01:01.48 | sander_ | Tramp, yeah. Thanks again :-) |
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| 01:02.37 | Tramp | sander_: ok. If it happens again, changing the dgw of 1.4 to 1.1 may do the trick 8) |
| 01:02.42 | dondelelcaro | SJr|Work: reinstall libc6, and then continue. |
| 01:02.49 | sander_ | Yep |
| 01:03.17 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: Thanks for those links but i couldn't find any help from there. (i used "OS" "Operation System" "Distribution" and "Linux") |
| 01:04.49 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: what in particular do you want to know about? An operating system is the core components which someone would expect to be running on a system to run other things. A distribution is everything that a distributor distributes. An OS is a subset (perhaps strictly, perhaps not) of a Distribution. |
| 01:05.37 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, It works. |
| 01:06.05 | sobersabre | but I don't have any ideas if the 1st and the 2nd hash don't result from the same password :) |
| 01:06.07 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: I would need that in other info than just wikipedia or if i would that tell... i have told that many times but i need other evidence for it ;-) |
| 01:06.09 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: none of these terms have hard definitions, so defining them before a discussion is sensible; arguing whether people distribute operating systems or distributions is an odd kind of intellectual flailing |
| 01:06.24 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: i agree |
| 01:07.12 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: well, then either shun whoever is arguing with you, or have them come up with better definitions. [Or better yet, nod politely and walk away.] |
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| 01:08.00 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: But this one is very special... trolls all forums telling new users that distribution is wrong definition. And this is pretty bad because even new news journalist has started listen him. |
| 01:08.33 | Fri13 | I would just go away but... i would like to comment this too, (yes, dont feed trolls) but wrong thing should be correct by someone. |
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| 01:08.56 | sobersabre | Fri13, I can smell a bullshitter from a mile ... I mean what good does this discussion bring ? :) call it a operating package. whatever. |
| 01:08.58 | DawnLight | i have an issue with bridging and the allow-hotplug feature. i wasn't able to solve it for some time now. i think it may be quite simple but it isn't documented, at least where i looked anyway. can anone help me witht this? /etc/network/interfaces > http://paste.debian.net/43042. The problem with this configuration is that the server isn't always on and so it brings up the bridge when it shouldn't. using 'allow-hotplug' insted of 'auto' on the |
| 01:08.58 | DawnLight | bridge device doesn't bring it up (didn't expect it to, really). how can i make the bridge device go up only when the server is up? |
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| 01:09.05 | sobersabre | as long as you define it's funcionality. |
| 01:09.23 | sobersabre | and this definition used to try to clarify and not obscure things. |
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| 01:09.38 | dondelelcaro | Fri13: *shrug*; you explain what people who actually work on operating systems and distributions talk about, and leave it at that. |
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| 01:09.56 | sobersabre | :) |
| 01:10.16 | jack|Helium | Hello, I am having some compiling problems |
| 01:10.20 | dondelelcaro | jack|Helium: ask away |
| 01:10.26 | Fri13 | dondelelcaro: Mayby i can just told him to come here and argue with debian devels that they are wrong ;-) |
| 01:10.36 | dondelelcaro | oh, please don't. |
| 01:10.41 | Fri13 | :-D |
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| 01:10.53 | sobersabre | jack|Helium, do the problems compile quickly or not ? |
| 01:11.00 | jack|Helium | I am trying to build MPWM (multi pointer window manager), but I'm having issues with pkg config (I think) |
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| 01:12.04 | Fri13 | Thanks your time dondelelcaro! (And dont worry, i dont ask him come here ;-) ) |
| 01:12.15 | jack|Helium | it says that it cant find x11 xext xi xcursor and cairo, all of which have files in /usr/lib |
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| 01:12.30 | SJrX | Hmmm sorry my machine crashed |
| 01:12.38 | SJrX | errr connection crashed |
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| 01:13.05 | sobersabre | jack|Helium, I assume you're saying that during a compilation attempt the configuration script failed to find these libraries' headers ? |
| 01:13.12 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me with a gimp crash after I click on the drawing window? |
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| 01:13.44 | jack|Helium | sobersabre: the exact error: checking for MPWM... configure: error: Package requirements (x11 xext xi xcursor cairo) were not met |
| 01:14.05 | sobersabre | jack|Helium, do you know how you install programs on debian ? |
| 01:14.23 | jack|Helium | sobersabre: yet, with apt-get |
| 01:14.25 | dondelelcaro | jack|Helium: you probably need libx11-dev, libxext-dev, libxi-dev, libxcursor-dev and libcairo-dev; possibly others. |
| 01:14.34 | dondelelcaro | jack|Helium: see apt-cache search; for details |
| 01:14.49 | jack|Helium | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll try that. didn't realize I needed the dev packages... |
| 01:15.13 | sobersabre | jack|Helium, you better read the README and INSTALL files of that source package. |
| 01:15.13 | DawnLight | jack|Helium: i recommend aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 01:15.27 | sobersabre | or better off use apt-get or aptitude. |
| 01:15.31 | sobersabre | or synaptic. |
| 01:15.40 | sobersabre | DawnLight, why would you do this ? |
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| 01:18.13 | sobersabre | what channel does mozilla use ? |
| 01:18.19 | sobersabre | I mean what server. |
| 01:18.24 | sobersabre | ? |
| 01:18.30 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: irc.mozilla.org iirc. |
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| 01:19.49 | kgoetz | yep |
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| 01:21.58 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
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| 01:26.29 | SJrX | dondelelcaro I can't really reinstall libc6 |
| 01:26.38 | SJrX | it will remove basically everything and I don't want to risk roasting this, the library is there tho I just checked |
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| 01:29.07 | SJrX | actually how do I upgrade to debian 4.0? |
| 01:29.08 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: uh... sure you can. aptitude reinstall libc6; See? It's easy. |
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| 01:30.18 | SJrX | what do I change in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:30.24 | th0rv4ld | Can somebody give me some arguments for and against upgrading to Testing? |
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| 01:30.34 | SJrX | it's unstable, less support, people will snub you. |
| 01:30.49 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: just change sarge to etch; or oldstable to stable. |
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| 01:30.55 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: read the release notes for further details |
| 01:31.01 | SJrX | Hmmm that's a wierd error aptitude says "Symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZN9ppkgPolicyD2ev |
| 01:31.11 | th0rv4ld | And some arguments for it? |
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| 01:31.35 | SJrX | if your in new zealand you're clock will display the right time, newer packages that have fixed features. |
| 01:31.36 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: well, you could just sue apt-get then |
| 01:32.39 | SJrX | hmmm starting mysql hangs, starting bind9 seems to crash the machine... |
| 01:33.57 | SJrX | dondelelcaro my kernel won't get replaced right? |
| 01:34.17 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: not unless you replace it |
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| 01:35.03 | darkbahamut | does anyone know how to install MCP51 High Definition Audio drivers? |
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| 01:37.30 | webman | hi, I had an md RAID1 array which was the only physical device used for LVM2, which then had a single filesystem on it. I've taken one of the raid1 devices and started it as md9, the md1 is currently in use by LVM and mounted and working fine, but I need to access the files stored on md9, how can I get LVM to use this other device in a 'new' group so I can mount it ?? |
| 01:37.34 | bakon | If I am in RescureMode and looking at my var/logs what file will tell me why she wont boot up right? |
| 01:39.18 | SJrX | why does apt* check say nothing is wrong, but then an aptitude install says that there are a billion broken packages |
| 01:39.47 | dondelelcaro | SJrX: I'd have to see the commands and their output to tell you for certain. |
| 01:39.59 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: try apt-get -f install |
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| 01:40.56 | SJrX | th0rv4ld I've run debian testing for about 4/5 years now no real problems with it. |
| 01:41.05 | SJrX | debian testing imho, is the stable of most other distributions |
| 01:41.23 | darkbahamut | hey everyone, i am using Debian Etch.. my sound dosent work and my acpi dosent work... should i be looking for a different linux? |
| 01:41.42 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: No. You should just install the right drivers. |
| 01:41.57 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i cant find them |
| 01:42.13 | dvs | darkbahamut: then a new linux wouldn't help either. |
| 01:42.14 | bucky | you could try ubumtoo |
| 01:42.20 | SJrX | darkbahamut look up your sound and motherboard and see if they work. Then I would say before you invest time in getting it to work, try booting a live cd like Knoppix and see if that helps. |
| 01:42.30 | darkbahamut | dvs: i know in ubuntu i have sound |
| 01:42.52 | SJrX | darkbahamut then it's probably as simply as typing, lspci, finding your sound card, then going on google, and searching for that and module. |
| 01:42.59 | SJrX | then type modprobe <whatever google says> |
| 01:43.05 | SJrX | you might also not have permission try |
| 01:43.11 | SJrX | cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/audio |
| 01:43.11 | bucky | SJrX, he's been trying to do that for three days |
| 01:43.15 | SJrX | oh |
| 01:43.17 | SJrX | hmmmm |
| 01:43.27 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: Ubuntu comes from Debian. It comes from a snapshot of Unstable. If it works in ubuntu, it will work in Debian. No exceptions. |
| 01:43.29 | darkbahamut | SJrX: i did that and yet i still found nothing |
| 01:43.45 | SJrX | darkbahamut in ubuntu look at modprobe and see what modules it loaded for yoru sound card |
| 01:43.46 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: the MCP requires a newer kernel than 2.6.18 iirc. |
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| 01:43.51 | SJrX | ah |
| 01:43.58 | SJrX | okay apt-get -f install says nothing is wrong |
| 01:43.59 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: if you try 2.6.22, it probably will work. |
| 01:44.06 | somian | Salutations. |
| 01:44.16 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: you can just wget the appropriate kernel from unstable and dpkg -i it. |
| 01:44.17 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: What package are you trying to install? |
| 01:44.40 | SJrX | nothing, I was installing mediawiki extensions on sunday and the machine puked |
| 01:44.46 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: i have 2.6.22-3-k7 |
| 01:44.56 | ponyofdeath | i, how can i reload my current groups in a shell after i have modified /etc/group |
| 01:45.00 | SJrX | If I put a package on hold that will prevent it from being installed right? |
| 01:45.02 | bakon | where are error logs kept? what directory? for booting |
| 01:45.07 | SJrX | ponyofdeath try starting a new shell iirc |
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| 01:45.18 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: Have you run apt-get update? If so, did you try removing the mediawiki extensions? |
| 01:45.42 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: give us the output of dmesg; lspci, and /var/log/dmesg |
| 01:45.45 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: i have a laptop.. the driver is not so easy to find |
| 01:45.49 | SJrX | th0rv4ld the bigger problem is that bind9 seems to crash my machine, starting mysqld seems to just hang, as well as lsreswd. |
| 01:46.13 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: And if that doesn't work, try dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 01:46.14 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: 1 sec |
| 01:46.37 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: Just remember that you may lose some user-defined settings, or special colors, etc. |
| 01:46.45 | SJrX | ah |
| 01:46.46 | SJrX | hmmm |
| 01:46.52 | SJrX | how do I prevent apt from installing a package |
| 01:46.58 | SJrX | does aptitude hold bind9 do it? |
| 01:47.16 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: I'm on a notebook, right now. The hardest thing to do was to get my WLAN card to work. |
| 01:47.52 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: If the package you're trying to get is a dependency, you can't avoid it. You have to have it to install that package. |
| 01:48.18 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: wlan was easy sound is annoying |
| 01:49.02 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: it's the same bloody process. |
| 01:50.50 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/43044 |
| 01:51.19 | darkbahamut | th0rv4ld: not rly.. with my wlan i was able to use my windows drivers |
| 01:52.16 | th0rv4ld | darkbahamut: I didn't have to use ndiswrapper. It was just a pain to find the right drivers for linux, as compiling them didn't create the firmware drivers I needed. Took me about 2-3 hours to get it to work, finally, once I found the files. |
| 01:53.10 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: can I see lsmod; too? |
| 01:53.20 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: k 1 sec |
| 01:53.58 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/43045 |
| 01:54.35 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: it looks like it loaded the right driver, because snd_hda_intel is correct. What happens when you run alsamixer? |
| 01:54.55 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: i took off all alsa programs |
| 01:55.08 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: uh... why? |
| 01:55.17 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: i was told to |
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| 01:55.51 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: well, whoever did was wrong. You want alsa-base and alsa-utils; |
| 01:56.01 | th0rv4ld | !kill my roommate's mother |
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| 01:56.16 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: then see if alsamixer; works. If it does, make sure all of the levels are up and unmuted. If it doesn't, let me know. |
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| 01:56.34 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: i tried that b4 |
| 01:56.38 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: try it agian |
| 01:56.40 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: it dont work |
| 01:56.47 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 01:58.10 | bucky | darkbahamut, btw.. what model of laptop is this specifically? |
| 01:58.31 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: in totem and xine i hear this ticking sound and the program freezes so i have to use system monitor to close it |
| 01:58.33 | DjBones | hey, is it normal for the package for firefox in apt to be broken for lenny? just wonderin lol |
| 01:58.47 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: but alsamixer; works, right? |
| 01:58.55 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: i didnt try it yet |
| 01:59.03 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: im just saying b4 i try it |
| 01:59.35 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: mplayer and xmms can play sound just find but i have no internet and no system sounds |
| 01:59.49 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: im installing alsa now |
| 02:00.08 | webman | when I do lsmod I get "Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory" what can I do to fix that ? |
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| 02:00.26 | dondelelcaro | uh... if mplayer and xmms can play sound fine, then the sound card is working correclty. |
| 02:00.43 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: what about system sound and internet? |
| 02:00.57 | SJrX | Okay so after this travesity I'm not sure if I have all the essential packages could someone give me a list of packages I should make sure are installed or a package I could install that would make sure, so that I can reboot |
| 02:01.07 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: that's a totally separate issue |
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| 02:01.33 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: do you know how i can fix those? |
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| 02:02.10 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: first reinstall alsa-base and alsa-utils, then make sure that those programs are using alsa, not pcm. |
| 02:02.36 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: how do i make sure they are? |
| 02:02.44 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: sry im a bit new to linux |
| 02:02.57 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: just started not even a week ago |
| 02:03.05 | dondelelcaro | darkbahamut: they should have configuration files or something; I personally don't use any of the gnome system stuff, so I've no clue how to configure it. |
| 02:04.14 | bucky | when you run alsaconf it used to ask you if you wanted to use esd or let the system decide for itself |
| 02:05.23 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: all it says in iceweasel's config file is |
| 02:05.27 | darkbahamut | dondelelcaro: # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use |
| 02:05.27 | darkbahamut | ICEWEASEL_DSP="esddsp" |
| 02:06.00 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: You might just want to completely reinstall. |
| 02:06.19 | th0rv4ld | SjrX: Just back up your files. Gmail them to yourself or something like that. |
| 02:06.23 | SJrX | hmmmm |
| 02:06.29 | SJrX | that's my next step if this doesn't work |
| 02:06.43 | th0rv4ld | SJrX: Back up your data before you restart. |
| 02:06.59 | SJrX | lol it's fine |
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| 02:07.33 | bucky | dpkg -l esound-clients |
| 02:07.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching esound-clients |
| 02:07.43 | darkbahamut | bucky: sry i didnt see you earlyer.. i have a HP Pavilion dv6040us |
| 02:08.09 | th0rv4ld | Did you guys know that they digitally shrunk Lindsay Lohan's boobs when they made the Herbie movie? (not entirely random; there was a promo for it on TV) |
| 02:08.31 | th0rv4ld | They thought that her boobs were too big for a disney movie. |
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| 02:08.59 | dondelelcaro | uh... can you say, off topic? |
| 02:09.37 | th0rv4ld | What topic? It's IRC. There is no topic, and I'm working on changing my icons, manually, so I'm not really providing full-on support, right now. |
| 02:09.59 | somian | th0rv4ld: interesting, and I totally believe it. Disney clearly has a very clearly defined "esthetic" at work wrt boob size. |
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| 02:10.15 | SJrX | I would probably have seen it if they went the other way |
| 02:10.16 | darkbahamut | nvz: hey.. you there?? |
| 02:10.17 | SJrX | oh well |
| 02:10.20 | SJrX | I'll always have photoshop |
| 02:10.43 | lontra | hi i am trying to run debian in virtualbox and i can't start X ... It's telling me (EE) Problem parsing the config file and (EE) error parsing the config file |
| 02:10.44 | lontra | any ideas? |
| 02:11.10 | dotz | Hi does anyone know HP ultrium series LTO4 tape drive (scsi connection) is compatible with debian, and if there are any backup recovery ultility software supporting the hardware (ie: bacula?) need some advise before implementing |
| 02:11.31 | th0rv4ld | somian: That's how annette funicello, britney spears, christina aguilerra, etc. got kicked off the mouseketeers. they got too "big". |
| 02:12.04 | bucky | so it's a turion based lappy running i386 debian |
| 02:12.26 | th0rv4ld | dotz: The quickest way to find out is to google the model number and the word debian |
| 02:12.34 | bucky | the audio system makes a click sound with the 'noapic' flag |
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| 02:13.19 | dotz | th0rv4ld: you think i didn't? |
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| 02:13.43 | th0rv4ld | dotz: What did you find out? |
| 02:14.02 | lontra | it also says "Undefined Device "(null)" reference by Screen "Default Screen"" |
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| 02:14.15 | lontra | Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:14.18 | axscode | how to check what version of glibc i have? |
| 02:15.17 | dotz | th0rv4ld: hp ultrium is certified to be compatible with linux, but did not say what distribution.. backup recovery utility is very limited. that's why i'm asking real life experiences..i hope you do have some experience on this before answering me |
| 02:15.47 | dotz | because its a high cost investment |
| 02:15.47 | th0rv4ld | dotz: which model number? |
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| 02:15.49 | ma3x | when I ssh -x do I need to restart X or I can somehow attach to the running session? |
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| 02:16.04 | dotz | LTO-4 Ultrium 1840 |
| 02:16.12 | bucky | axscode, dpkg -l libc6 |
| 02:16.21 | th0rv4ld | dotz: gimme a sec |
| 02:16.21 | dotz | another is Ultrium 940 (with autoloader) |
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| 02:17.25 | dto | is there a way to tell whether a system's lan booting supports PXE from the command line? |
| 02:17.36 | Tramp | ma3x: This question does not actually make sense (to me). |
| 02:18.15 | Tramp | ma3x: not even if I assume you mean -X, not -x. |
| 02:18.26 | axscode | i dont have /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 02:18.31 | ma3x | Tramp, yes -X |
| 02:19.08 | Tramp | ma3x: you certainly don't have to restart X for whatever you want to do. |
| 02:19.35 | Tramp | ma3x: but whatever you want to do may not be possible. I just can't figure out, what it is. |
| 02:19.46 | ma3x | Tramp, say I leave x running and I go to cyber cafe, how can I reattach to my session? just ssh -X host? |
| 02:20.24 | Tramp | ma3x: no, that is not was -X does. |
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| 02:23.00 | Tramp | ma3x: you want a vncserver and an Internet-Cafe that supports a vnc client - which may or may not exist. |
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| 02:23.32 | ma3x | Tramp, what if I connect from another computer running linux? |
| 02:23.36 | ma3x | isn't vnc for windows? |
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| 02:24.13 | th0rv4ld | dotz: compatibility sheets say nothing about debian. I wouldn't chance it. |
| 02:24.49 | th0rv4ld | dotz: If you can install the drivers, then mazel tov, otherwise, you'd probably be better off with something ele. |
| 02:24.52 | th0rv4ld | else* |
| 02:25.29 | iKernel | ma3x, VNC is by NO means only for windows |
| 02:25.36 | Tramp | ma3x: no. It's a concept to do, what you want (having a virtual desktop) |
| 02:26.05 | iKernel | ma3x, you'll probably better off with something like freenx |
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| 02:26.34 | Tramp | ma3x: you just cannot "attach" to some arbitrary desktop / X Session. This is a misunderstanding of the general concept. |
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| 02:27.38 | ma3x | so i need vnc server and client |
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| 02:28.26 | dotz | th0rv4ld: oh ok..thanks..brb |
| 02:30.54 | iKernel | this is the ultimate show down of ultimate destiny good guys bad guys and explosions as far as the eye can see and only one will survive I wonder who it will be? this is the ultimate show down of ultimate destiny |
| 02:31.02 | erpo | ma3x: If you use Gnome, there is a program called vino available that will do what you want. |
| 02:31.18 | ma3x | i use kde |
| 02:31.38 | erpo | ma3x: I don't use KDE, but I think it may have an equivalent facility. |
| 02:31.58 | th0rv4ld | I use KDE. What was the question? |
| 02:32.09 | erpo | ma3x: The basic idea is that you have a program that connects to your X server and scrapes the screen on one end, and on the other end the program provides a VNC server interface. |
| 02:32.27 | erpo | th0rv4ld: An equivalent of vino server for KDE. |
| 02:32.36 | iKernel | So how many megabytes of downloads will an apt-get dist-upgrade when updating from etch to lenny do? |
| 02:32.46 | iKernel | actually I could probably see that just before pressing 'Y' |
| 02:32.54 | th0rv4ld | erpo: Forgive my ignorance, but what is vino? |
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| 02:33.05 | Tramp | just apt-cache search vnc and play with the alternatives |
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| 02:33.19 | iKernel | Need to get 1109MB/1120MB of archives. |
| 02:33.19 | iKernel | After unpacking 530MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 02:33.21 | iKernel | O_O |
| 02:33.25 | iKernel | dude |
| 02:33.27 | erpo | th0rv4ld: It's a program that comes with Gnome. It lets you VNC into a running X session. |
| 02:33.36 | iKernel | my mum is gonna kill me |
| 02:33.53 | dotz | th0rv4ld: http://www.tapecert.org/drives/lto_index.html <-- when it says linux certified, does it mean all distribution of linux including debian? |
| 02:33.54 | th0rv4ld | erpo: Doesn't VNC let you do that, anyway? |
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| 02:34.04 | dacs | hey guys |
| 02:34.08 | dacs | hi how are you all |
| 02:34.11 | iKernel | haha guys lol |
| 02:34.18 | iKernel | hi dacs |
| 02:34.36 | dacs | Happy thanks Giving in advance to you all |
| 02:34.40 | ma3x | erpo, and what packages do I need to install for that? |
| 02:34.44 | erpo | th0rv4ld: If you don't use something like vino, you have to use something like Xvnc that uses a VNC server _as_ the X server. It's an ugly hack because you can't log into a session like that normally. |
| 02:34.45 | iKernel | dacs, I'm pretty good, just doing an apt-get dist-upgrade. Having to download 1.1gig of crap! |
| 02:34.45 | th0rv4ld | dotz: Not by a long shot. It means the versions of linux they support, i.e. suse/red hat enterprise. |
| 02:34.53 | erpo | ma3x: Well, if you want to switch to Gnome, it's automatic. |
| 02:34.56 | iKernel | dacs, lol, in my country we don't celebrate thanks giving |
| 02:35.07 | erpo | ma3x: I don't know if it works with KDE. |
| 02:35.07 | iKernel | dacs, anyway, and only 530 megs of space will be used up after it |
| 02:35.10 | th0rv4ld | erpo: I think you have to install something separate. |
| 02:35.14 | th0rv4ld | for kde |
| 02:35.25 | dacs | iKernel: were are you from? |
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| 02:35.36 | iKernel | dacs, heh, I really hope this doesn't borker my system. hopefully the only thing I'll have to do is recompile the nvidia drivers |
| 02:35.39 | iKernel | dacs, I'm from australia |
| 02:35.41 | th0rv4ld | dotz: I wouldn't risk that much money on it. |
| 02:35.58 | erpo | iKernel: Aah. That's why you care about how much you download. |
| 02:35.59 | dacs | iKernel: sedny or melborne |
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| 02:36.10 | dacs | iKernel: mate |
| 02:36.12 | erpo | iKernel: I'm so sorry about your telecom situation. :( |
| 02:36.13 | th0rv4ld | dotz: Your best bet if that one is the end-all-be-all is to learn suse/RH, if you want to use them flawlessly. |
| 02:36.21 | iKernel | dacs, it's spelled sydney. oh and it's spelled melbourne. |
| 02:36.45 | iKernel | erpo, yeah. dad have got like 10 mb/s connection at his house though. I only have 1.5 meg connection. |
| 02:36.45 | th0rv4ld | iKernel: Wrong: It's Melba Toast. |
| 02:36.46 | dacs | iKernel: wtf i care how you spell it lol |
| 02:36.48 | th0rv4ld | lol |
| 02:37.01 | iKernel | dacs, anyway I live in melbounre |
| 02:37.21 | iKernel | and for those of you who are interested, I'm 16 years old, and have been using linux since about a year and a half. |
| 02:37.31 | iKernel | seems longer than that, strangley. |
| 02:37.43 | iKernel | nope, maybe it's been two years. |
| 02:38.10 | iKernel | yeah, I've been using linux for two years, lol. |
| 02:38.16 | dacs | iKernel: someone here just mention you are having an Telecomm issue?@ |
| 02:38.21 | th0rv4ld | Well, if anyone else cares, I do tech support for dell, and I save my bedside manner for that and that alone. |
| 02:38.31 | iKernel | dacs, yeah the f'ing... |
| 02:38.42 | th0rv4ld | so If I'm an asshole, you'll have to excuse me. |
| 02:38.46 | dacs | iKernel: can i ask with what |
| 02:38.50 | th0rv4ld | Though I will end up solving your problem if I know how. |
| 02:38.55 | iKernel | dacs, in my current location, the internet is expensive, slow, and non-shapeless |
| 02:39.24 | iKernel | dacs, they SAY that it's unlimited internet, but that's only assuming you won't use over the limit in one month |
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| 02:39.33 | th0rv4ld | iKernel: They're making a second internet, even more expensive, much faster, and only for mission-critical activities. |
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| 02:40.00 | th0rv4ld | iKernel: Try living in Japan. They give you a 100Mb connection. |
| 02:40.32 | erpo | dacs: Internet in Australia is awful, I hear, as a result of the privatization of the industry. |
| 02:40.38 | iKernel | erpo, my dad switched to optus direct. fastest internet I've ever used. like 1.2megabytes per second download rate. |
| 02:40.44 | iKernel | erpo, it goes up and down though. |
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| 02:40.51 | dacs | erpo: i know |
| 02:40.55 | erpo | iKernel: Do they have monthly transfer caps? |
| 02:41.08 | iKernel | erpo, I'm not sure whether it's labour or liberal who's going to put fibre optics in |
| 02:42.03 | erpo | iKernel: Do labour and liberal mean roughly the same thing they do in the UK? |
| 02:42.32 | dacs | iKernel: 98% of my friends live in Australia and specialy in Meatloafbourne , they are telling me that for cellphone they use pay as you go |
| 02:42.40 | iKernel | erpo, erm, they're the two governments. john howard as been prime minister for ages, and there's also other people who want to be prime minister |
| 02:42.41 | th0rv4ld | erpo. Labour in Aussieland = theft, IIRC |
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| 02:42.58 | th0rv4ld | That's how it started. |
| 02:43.04 | somian | Oh I get it. "lol" == "Lamer On the Loose". |
| 02:43.12 | cplx | how do I set a linux password to not expire.. edit something in /etc/shadow ? |
| 02:43.18 | iKernel | dacs, yeah. not all people are on that kind of thing though, some have a plan where you pay a monthly fee |
| 02:43.23 | somian | Gawd its taken me years to figure that out. |
| 02:43.23 | erpo | th0rv4ld: By theft, do you mean high taxes, big government, lots of spending on social programs, etc... ? |
| 02:43.36 | dacs | anyhow did anyone tried and put debian in IPod |
| 02:43.37 | iKernel | dacs, you only go for the plan if you use your mobile phone alot. |
| 02:43.45 | th0rv4ld | erpo: I mean the continent being used as a British penal colony. |
| 02:44.13 | iKernel | dacs, I can tell you that I was able to access my step sister's ipod in ubuntu |
| 02:44.47 | erpo | iKernel: I meant policywise. We have two parties in the U.S. too, but they're called Democrats and Republicans. |
| 02:45.04 | iKernel | erpo, I don't know much about politics. |
| 02:45.20 | th0rv4ld | erpo: We have many more parties than that. Also, understand that we are not a democracy. |
| 02:45.34 | iKernel | erpo, And I know you guys have democrats and republicans. the republicans are with Geroge W. Bush, not sure who the democrats are |
| 02:45.38 | dacs | iKernel: see i work as an engineer for a cellphone company and i really find it odd why you guys are still using per min? |
| 02:45.59 | dacs | iKernel: my friends tell me that the mobile plan cost alot |
| 02:46.14 | dondelelcaro | folks, #politics et al, is that way ---> |
| 02:46.19 | iKernel | dacs, like I said, you can either use pay as you go or a monthly plan |
| 02:46.34 | iKernel | dacs, yeah, well it's probably worth it if you use your phone 20 times a day |
| 02:46.43 | dacs | iKernel: i didn't mean to access the ipod from the destro , i was asking if someone was sucessful to run linx as the ipod OS |
| 02:46.52 | iKernel | dacs, ooooh, that thing |
| 02:46.55 | dondelelcaro | cplx: by default they don't expire, but yes, it's a shadow configuraiton. man 5 shadow; for detail. |
| 02:47.11 | erpo | dacs: Look up ipodlinux. |
| 02:47.17 | iKernel | dacs, I've never tried, I don't have an ipod, and it's probably hard to get your hands on one that's supported, as new ones are coming out all the time |
| 02:47.31 | iKernel | dacs, but being able to run doom sounds like fun |
| 02:47.40 | iKernel | dacs, yeah yeah ok, 120 times a day :P |
| 02:47.46 | dacs | i see people talke for 5 hrs stright on the phone |
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| 02:48.00 | iKernel | dacs, lol, that's alot |
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| 02:48.16 | dacs | iKernel: thats nothing |
| 02:48.33 | dacs | erpo: i was there but could get it to work |
| 02:48.46 | iKernel | dacs, well I don't really like mobile phones that much anyway. I don't really like the sound output that they give |
| 02:48.59 | iKernel | dacs, I prefer to talk over landline. |
| 02:49.25 | iKernel | dacs, it's really funny how you're pressured to keep talking non-stop while you're on the phone |
| 02:49.37 | iKernel | dacs, because the only purpose you're on the phone for is to talke |
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| 02:49.54 | dondelelcaro | iKernel, dacs: please use #debian-offtopic or ##linux unless you're discussing Debian related stuff. |
| 02:50.03 | iKernel | sorry :P |
| 02:50.06 | iKernel | Get:216 http://mirror.optus.net lenny/main libgcj8-1 4.2.1-5 [10.4MB] |
| 02:50.08 | iKernel | 13% [216 libgcj8-1 2769663/10.4MB 26%] 163kB/s 1h37m51s |
| 02:50.15 | dacs | iKernel: landline....mate |
| 02:50.16 | iKernel | That's how slow my internet is |
| 02:51.06 | dacs | dondelelcaro: oops sorry man, just thought to keep you entertaint |
| 02:51.08 | dacs | ;0 |
| 02:51.15 | iKernel | I really hope that this dist upgrade doesn't break anything more than my nvidia drivers |
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| 02:52.06 | iKernel | I was wondering, you know how you have for example mail.google.com |
| 02:52.33 | iKernel | mail. is the sub domain and google.com is where the ip adress is gotton from |
| 02:52.42 | iKernel | could you like do mail.<ip address> ? |
| 02:53.16 | dacs | iKernel: did you try it |
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| 02:53.24 | iKernel | no :P |
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| 02:55.42 | iKernel | Lol, I can't look up any ip addresses because of the stuff I'm downloading |
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| 02:59.44 | axscode | how to check version of the binutils? |
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| 03:02.44 | kgoetz | axscode: apt-cache policy binutils |
| 03:03.06 | extor | yeah I wanna draw some scratch diagrams with network objects. DB-9 and DB-25 jacks, wires. RJ-45 jacks |
| 03:03.18 | extor | Is there an open source substitute for visio in linux? I don't see one in openoffice |
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| 03:03.58 | Wyzard | extor: There's Dia, though it's not as nice as Visio |
| 03:04.00 | somian | check out "dia" extor |
| 03:04.29 | UbuntM1 | hi |
| 03:04.40 | extor | how does dia compare to kivio |
| 03:04.49 | extor | well I dont need nice, I just need basic at this point |
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| 03:05.01 | axscode | sorry im on embedded platform and apt-* dont exist |
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| 03:05.12 | somian | extor: STFW |
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| 03:06.05 | extor | ? |
| 03:06.21 | kgoetz | somian: hm? |
| 03:06.24 | extor | shock the fuckin world? |
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| 03:10.53 | kgoetz | axscode: sorry, i didnt see your apt comment |
| 03:11.02 | kgoetz | axscode: dpkg -l binutils |
| 03:11.13 | axscode | yeah nevermind. thanks |
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| 03:26.03 | k|ArA___ | i need to change cable hd from ide2 to ide1 on the motherboard, next this i can't have complete boot of debian but only initramfs, what to do? |
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| 03:28.14 | CaT[tm] | I wonder if that means something interesting in italian :) |
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| 03:29.39 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: ? |
| 03:30.09 | CaT[tm] | 'ArA___ (n=akideo@host24-160-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has has changed his nick to thisdick.' :) |
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| 03:33.01 | thisdick | CaT[tm] yes, what? |
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| 03:33.28 | thisdick | don't u understand? |
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| 03:39.23 | Darkside | hi.... my PCs onboard ethernet card isnt being detected by debian. I have no idea what chipset it uses, how wouldi find out? |
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| 03:41.46 | kgoetz | Darkside: lspci |
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| 03:42.12 | Darkside | crap |
| 03:42.15 | Darkside | its not shown on there |
| 03:42.17 | kgoetz | (btw, hi mate) |
| 03:42.18 | xacier | really, is there a tool where i can cut off couple pages off a pdf file? |
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| 03:43.03 | kgoetz | not shown? |
| 03:43.07 | Darkside | nope |
| 03:43.13 | iKernel | lol |
| 03:43.18 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: It might be disabled in the BIOS |
| 03:43.27 | Wyzard | oops |
| 03:43.29 | Wyzard | Darkside: ^^ |
| 03:43.44 | Darkside | i dont think so |
| 03:43.45 | Darkside | but ill check |
| 03:44.09 | Wyzard | That's the only reason I can think of (other than defective hardware) for a device built into the motherboard to not show up in lspci |
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| 03:45.07 | Wyzard | unless the internal connection is via USB rather than PCI -- that'd be pretty weird, but apparently some systems are like that |
| 03:45.11 | Wyzard | Try lsusb too |
| 03:45.21 | Darkside | nothing in the bios |
| 03:45.38 | Darkside | k ill try that.. |
| 03:45.48 | iKernel | I really wish I could have held eclipse back. I don't even use it any more :S |
| 03:46.07 | Darkside | my aim is to bridge two networks, one that i can cable into, and one that i can only connect to via wireless |
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| 03:46.15 | Darkside | just a transparent brodge |
| 03:46.25 | Darkside | but i have to get connected to the cabled network first.. |
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| 03:46.43 | Darkside | wonderful.......... FFS |
| 03:46.48 | Darkside | this is shitting me off |
| 03:46.59 | Darkside | now i get back into debian, i see the initial X screen then the screen goes black |
| 03:47.29 | thisdick | i needed to change cable data hd from ide2 to ide1 on the motherboard, next this i can't got a complete boot of debian but only initramfs, what to do? |
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| 03:47.46 | DeZ_666 | thisdick: change it back..? |
| 03:47.50 | _wall | Hi |
| 03:48.05 | Wyzard | thisdick: If your hard drive was /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd before, it's become /dev/hda or /dev/hdb now |
| 03:48.20 | Claudio32m | im very happy that i installed debian, its a nice system |
| 03:48.22 | Wyzard | thisdick: Change the root= option in the kernel's options line, in GRUB |
| 03:48.36 | thisdick | just that!? wow |
| 03:48.55 | Darkside | ok... the network card isnt on lsusb... |
| 03:48.58 | Wyzard | thisdick: That's only for the current boot though -- you'll need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to make it permanent |
| 03:48.58 | Darkside | FRACK |
| 03:49.10 | Wyzard | Darkside: then either you overlooked something in the BIOS, or it's defective |
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| 03:49.33 | Wyzard | Darkside: If you didn't see any BIOS option for disabling it, I'd look again -- most BIOSes have that |
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| 03:50.07 | Wyzard | Darkside: If you found the option and it said enabled, then of course it's enabled |
| 03:51.05 | Darkside | ... |
| 03:51.11 | Darkside | im looking at the mothervboard |
| 03:51.23 | Darkside | seeing if there any jumbers |
| 03:51.39 | Wyzard | PCs haven't been configured by jumpers in years |
| 03:51.49 | Wyzard | but while you're looking at it, is there actually an Ethernet jack on the back? |
| 03:51.53 | Darkside | ... |
| 03:51.55 | Wyzard | You might just not have any built-in networking |
| 03:52.02 | Darkside | i have a CABLE plugged into the thernet jack |
| 03:52.06 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 03:52.16 | Darkside | so unless i managed to stuff the cable info some other port, then thats a yes :P |
| 03:52.34 | kgoetz | hey, USB plugs go in Ethernet ports :) |
| 03:52.43 | stew | Darkside: show us the output of "lspci ; lspci -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:52.49 | Darkside | one problem |
| 03:52.50 | renots | is getting every damned periphial so i can |
| 03:52.51 | xacier | is there a browser faster than opera and better than firefox? |
| 03:52.55 | Wyzard | well, modems sometimes use RJ-45 jacks instead of RJ-11 |
| 03:52.59 | Darkside | how cany copy and paste if i cant get on a network :P |
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| 03:53.03 | Wyzard | but integrated modems are uncommon on modern PCs |
| 03:53.14 | Darkside | im talking to you on another computer |
| 03:53.29 | Darkside | also, i checked again, and theres nothing in the bios for the ethernet |
| 03:53.37 | Darkside | i found a jumper that had 'enable/disable' next to it |
| 03:53.45 | Darkside | i changed that to the 'enable' setting |
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| 03:53.50 | axscode | can someone check if www.emdebian.org is down? |
| 03:54.20 | stew | Darkside: what does the jumper do? |
| 03:54.20 | xacier | just ping the crap |
| 03:54.30 | Darkside | stew, nfi |
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| 03:54.37 | Darkside | theres nothing else near it |
| 03:54.38 | Wyzard | Darkside: Check the motherboard's manual before moving jumpers around |
| 03:54.45 | Darkside | Wyzard, OEM motherboard |
| 03:54.46 | stew | Darkside: why are you moving it? |
| 03:54.46 | S4nD3r | is there any software to convert wmv to avi?? With interface! |
| 03:54.53 | dto | is current testing the one called "lenny?" |
| 03:54.53 | Darkside | i dont even know what brand it is |
| 03:55.03 | Darkside | there NOTHING on the motherboard ti give any indication of its maker |
| 03:55.07 | stew | dto: yes |
| 03:55.12 | dto | stew: thanks |
| 03:55.18 | dto | trying to set up fai |
| 03:55.23 | Darkside | the little code you get on boot doesnt help |
| 03:55.29 | stew | Darkside: can you put the output of "lcpci ; lspci -n" into a pastebin? |
| 03:55.32 | Darkside | the 'manufacturer code' doesnt seem to be a valid one |
| 03:55.37 | xacier | --- ant.emdebian.org ping statistics --- |
| 03:55.37 | xacier | 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 2000ms--- ant.emdebian.org ping statistics --- |
| 03:55.37 | Wyzard | Darkside: FWIW, 100mbit Ethernet cards are very inexpensive |
| 03:55.40 | xacier | 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 2000ms |
| 03:55.44 | Darkside | stew: not if id i cant get on a network |
| 03:55.45 | erpo | S4nD3r: ffmpeg. |
| 03:55.47 | xacier | it is down blah |
| 03:55.53 | Darkside | HEOLLLPPP |
| 03:55.53 | Darkside | HA |
| 03:55.56 | stew | Darkside: no floppy? usbkey? |
| 03:55.57 | Darkside | that jumper |
| 03:56.00 | Darkside | id DID IT |
| 03:56.00 | Darkside | :D |
| 03:56.03 | Darkside | Jumpers ftw |
| 03:56.21 | Darkside | hahaaha |
| 03:56.25 | xacier | now what? |
| 03:56.32 | xacier | you got your shit workiing? |
| 03:56.39 | S4nD3r | ffmpeg theres no interface |
| 03:56.42 | S4nD3r | gui |
| 03:56.57 | croddy | is /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf the right place to set message_size_limit? (or is it all caps?) |
| 03:57.19 | axscode | thats what you called double checking |
| 03:57.40 | erpo | S4nD3r: You might try kino. It's a video editor with a GUI that can import and export using ffmpeg. |
| 03:57.41 | axscode | could be just my router having trouble. or dns unable to resolve |
| 03:57.59 | erpo | S4nD3r: However, that would create very large temporary files. |
| 03:58.27 | S4nD3r | ummm... |
| 03:58.29 | xacier | emdebian.org is down |
| 03:58.38 | S4nD3r | im not good in command line yet |
| 03:58.39 | xacier | the host is in germany? |
| 03:59.18 | iKernel | hi |
| 03:59.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | How would I figure out what is causing the sound testing pipeline to crash? |
| 03:59.49 | axscode | i really dont know.. im double checking if its really down |
| 03:59.56 | erpo | S4nD3r: I really feel for you. Support for video and audio file manipulation on Linux is not very mature or slick yet. |
| 04:00.15 | croddy | S4nD3r: avidemux is another possibility, but i do not think it is in debian |
| 04:00.17 | Darkside | heh |
| 04:00.37 | Darkside | i use windows for video/audio editing |
| 04:00.38 | erpo | S4nD3r: However, it would behoove you to get comfortable with the command line, since there are a lot of capabilities there. |
| 04:00.58 | Darkside | the open source apps arent good enough |
| 04:00.59 | erpo | S4nD3r: strike that last comma. |
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| 04:01.14 | sobersabre | Darkside, what audio work do you need to do ? |
| 04:01.30 | erpo | Darkside: I had some limited success with kino. It was actually pretty painless. |
| 04:01.56 | S4nD3r | i understand |
| 04:02.12 | axscode | in an embeded platform |
| 04:02.18 | axscode | whats the use of binutils? |
| 04:02.21 | Darkside | sobersabre, i guess i dont *need* all the advanced features |
| 04:02.25 | Darkside | but i like having them |
| 04:02.32 | Darkside | oh greeeeeeeeeeeeat now DHCP isnt working |
| 04:02.53 | sobersabre | Darkside, can you be f***ing specific ? |
| 04:03.03 | Darkside | sobersabre, not really :P |
| 04:03.05 | sobersabre | what audio work do you need to get done... |
| 04:03.07 | sobersabre | ? |
| 04:03.19 | Darkside | its more analysis |
| 04:03.21 | S4nD3r | thnks anyway |
| 04:03.28 | Darkside | meh |
| 04:03.30 | Darkside | anyway.. |
| 04:03.30 | S4nD3r | all of you are so gentle |
| 04:03.38 | sobersabre | analysis of which type ?! |
| 04:03.40 | Darkside | why the crap isnt dhcp working =/ |
| 04:03.51 | iKernel | 74% of the dist upgrade downloaded =] |
| 04:03.58 | sobersabre | S4nD3r, read this: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Essays/smart-questions.html |
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| 04:04.10 | sobersabre | it will be very much easier after you read it. |
| 04:04.28 | S4nD3r | lol sobersabre |
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| 04:05.22 | Darkside | hmm wwell this is fun.. |
| 04:05.28 | GhostlyDeath_ | How do I configure ALSA? |
| 04:05.34 | Darkside | dhcp on the cabled network isnt working... |
| 04:05.38 | iKernel | GhostlyDeath_, /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 04:05.40 | Darkside | and when i set a static ip, that doesnt work either |
| 04:05.59 | erpo | Darkside: Is the cable good? |
| 04:06.06 | Darkside | yes |
| 04:06.06 | iKernel | LOL |
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| 04:07.19 | Darkside | hrmmmmmmmmmm |
| 04:07.23 | Darkside | i know theres a dhcp server |
| 04:07.29 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: All you really need is to load the appropriate driver module (which is probably done automatically by hardware detection) and then run alsamixer and turn up the volume levels (they're zeroed by default) |
| 04:07.30 | Darkside | the computer i'm on just used it |
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| 04:07.39 | stew | Darkside: do you get a link light on the card when the cable is plugged in? |
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| 04:07.59 | Darkside | stew: onboard ethernet - no lights |
| 04:08.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | Wyzard: This PC has HDA NVidia and whatever keeps crashing when a sound is played |
| 04:08.33 | Darkside | stew: ... im an idiot |
| 04:08.37 | Darkside | there, i said it |
| 04:08.39 | Darkside | <---- idiot |
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| 04:08.48 | CaT[tm] | hear ye, hear ye... |
| 04:08.48 | Wyzard | Darkside: other end of the cable wasn't plugged in? :-) |
| 04:08.50 | Darkside | cable wasnt fully plugged in >_< |
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| 04:09.37 | sobersabre | Darkside, you need to audio process the click you hear when ethernet cable is plugged into the socket |
| 04:09.55 | Darkside | sobersabre, haha |
| 04:10.06 | Darkside | sobersabre, its more for stuff i do in my spare time |
| 04:10.11 | sobersabre | now, to the video, I have no clue. |
| 04:10.19 | Darkside | freqeuency analysis, all sorts of other crap |
| 04:10.33 | Darkside | personally i use adobe audition for most things |
| 04:10.33 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: If you hear sound at all, your sound driver is loaded and working, which is all alsaconf would do anyway |
| 04:10.36 | sobersabre | frequency analysis can be done easily. |
| 04:10.48 | Darkside | ok.... now how would i set a dns server |
| 04:10.48 | sobersabre | you need jack though. |
| 04:11.02 | sobersabre | Darkside, you would read some info about it. |
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| 04:11.09 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: If things are crashing, you need to provide some more information about the crashes to be able to troubleshoot that |
| 04:11.28 | GhostlyDeath_ | Wyzard: If I can print out why it crashes, I would |
| 04:12.10 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: Does every program crash when it tries to play sound? Or only some programs? |
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| 04:12.34 | Darkside | time to get bridge-utils... |
| 04:13.01 | Wyzard | Darkside: beware, some wireless cards don't support transmitting frames with source MAC addresses other than their own |
| 04:13.09 | Wyzard | Darkside: bridging is impossible with such cards |
| 04:13.09 | Darkside | yeah, thats what i'm worried about |
| 04:13.19 | GhostlyDeath_ | Wyzard: Any app that trys to play sound will mess up the sound |
| 04:13.19 | Darkside | my card has a ralink chipset |
| 04:13.24 | Zippy2 | Wyzard: how can you tell which do and dont |
| 04:13.28 | Darkside | got nfi whether it supports bridging |
| 04:13.49 | Wyzard | Zippy2: try and see, I guess |
| 04:13.55 | GhostlyDeath_ | Wyzard: that is, it sounds like a broken record. The Sound options in Preferences freezes when a test sound is played |
| 04:13.57 | Wyzard | Zippy2: I don't have experience with lots if wireless cards |
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| 04:15.46 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone help me get libgtk-x11? :( |
| 04:15.46 | Darkside | ok heres a question: say i'm connected to two different networks, with two different IP addresses.. How would i choose what network card i want to use to connect to an IP (say.. get to a modems config) |
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| 04:16.10 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: That's GTK2 |
| 04:16.22 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 is in the libgtk2.0-0 package |
| 04:16.38 | DeZ_666 | i have libgtk2.0-0 |
| 04:16.47 | DeZ_666 | but i dont have libgtk-x11-2 |
| 04:16.55 | DeZ_666 | the application im trying to use cant find it |
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| 04:17.05 | rickityweb | whats the fil is debian a good OS for hosting my websites off of? or is rhell better? |
| 04:17.09 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: What application is that? |
| 04:17.15 | rickityweb | sry, i'll retype |
| 04:17.15 | DeZ_666 | Zoiper VOIP Softphone |
| 04:17.22 | rickityweb | is debian a good OS for hosting my websites off of? or is rhell better?Wyzard: DeZ_666: What application is that? |
| 04:17.23 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: and exactly what library is it looking for? |
| 04:17.33 | rickityweb | jesus, sorry guys my irc client is messed |
| 04:17.44 | DeZ_666 | libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 04:18.02 | DeZ_666 | it says no such file or directory |
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| 04:18.24 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: If you have the libgtk2.0-0 package installed and you don't have that file, your installation is broken |
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| 04:18.31 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: It should be in /usr/lib |
| 04:18.35 | DeZ_666 | hmm..it is |
| 04:18.39 | DeZ_666 | i just ran locate and its there |
| 04:18.57 | Darkside | hmm.. when i try and bring up a network interface, i get the message 'SIOCADDRT: No such process' |
| 04:18.57 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: It's a symlink to another file in the same directory |
| 04:19.40 | DeZ_666 | ..what the hell... |
| 04:19.53 | DeZ_666 | the archive manager is saying i dont have permissions to extract to my desktop |
| 04:20.07 | iKernel | lol DeZ_666 |
| 04:20.20 | DeZ_666 | --' |
| 04:20.34 | DeZ_666 | not funny, im a nub and idk how to fix it |
| 04:20.41 | snewp | ls -al |
| 04:20.56 | snewp | see the owner of the Desktop directory |
| 04:21.02 | cast | that only makes it not funny to you ;p |
| 04:21.04 | DeZ_666 | ..wtf..its root XD |
| 04:21.10 | snewp | :p |
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| 04:21.20 | pipegeek | howdy |
| 04:21.21 | rickityweb | is freebsd unix or linux? |
| 04:21.31 | rickityweb | and which is better for hosting my sites with in a secure? |
| 04:21.31 | snewp | unix |
| 04:21.32 | cast | rickityweb: well its not linux. |
| 04:21.32 | pipegeek | so, there's this package I want to install, but I've forgotten what it's called |
| 04:21.39 | snewp | debian! |
| 04:21.42 | pipegeek | hehe |
| 04:21.47 | n3kl | Haha |
| 04:21.49 | rickityweb | hehe |
| 04:21.53 | cast | rickityweb: that depends on the admin |
| 04:22.08 | Xenguy | rickityweb: unix. linux = GNU (Gnu's Not Unix :-) |
| 04:22.09 | rickityweb | i just want the ability to do everything without hassles |
| 04:22.11 | pipegeek | it builds a fake .deb for a particular software package that you've installed yourself (say, in /usr/local), so that dpkg is satisfied |
| 04:22.15 | pipegeek | anyone know what it's called? |
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| 04:22.20 | simonrvn | equivs |
| 04:22.27 | rickityweb | can debian etch do everything? |
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| 04:22.40 | snewp | pretty much yes |
| 04:22.40 | cast | rickityweb: well security is at odds with "do everything without hassles" |
| 04:22.55 | pipegeek | simonrvn: MANY thanks. |
| 04:22.57 | pipegeek | that was driving me crazy |
| 04:23.09 | Wyzard | pipegeek: checkinstall can be useful too |
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| 04:23.44 | rickityweb | is it safe to use the default install of debian on a dedicated server with cpanel and host a website that has thousands of users daily? |
| 04:23.49 | rickityweb | debian etch |
| 04:24.01 | Darkside | eew cpanel :P |
| 04:24.07 | Darkside | hang on |
| 04:24.11 | Darkside | cpanel works with debian now? |
| 04:24.11 | cast | cpanel...is that like webmin....sounds unsafe |
| 04:24.17 | Wyzard | rickityweb: assuming you keep up-to-date with security updates from Debian's security team, that should be OK |
| 04:24.17 | Darkside | since when? |
| 04:24.19 | pipegeek | Wyzard: thanks |
| 04:24.36 | rickityweb | do i have to pull down my website in order to install the security updates? |
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| 04:24.46 | Wyzard | rickityweb: no |
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| 04:25.12 | Wyzard | rickityweb: On rare occasions you might need to reboot, but that's what scheduled maintenance times are for |
| 04:25.18 | simonrvn | cpanel is trouble |
| 04:25.25 | rickityweb | so i guess theres a one liner that will keep my system up to date with debian's updates that I can put into a script to run weekly? |
| 04:25.30 | rickityweb | why is cpanel trouble? |
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| 04:26.25 | Darkside | hmm why would i be getting a 'SIOCADDRT: No such Process' message when i try and bring up a network interface? |
| 04:26.34 | Wyzard | Darkside: What interface? |
| 04:26.41 | Darkside | ra0 - wireless |
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| 04:26.47 | cast | php is your primary security issue, cpanel being a php app with root access to the system...is inherent trouble |
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| 04:28.24 | snewp | most webhosting companies use cpanel |
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| 04:28.46 | Darkside | which is why i dont use webhosting companies :P |
| 04:28.49 | cast | most people run as root, and use windows :\ |
| 04:28.52 | Darkside | i prefer to get a dedicated server |
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| 04:29.29 | snewp | i think he plans to have his own webhosting company |
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| 04:30.24 | cast | but he doesn't seem to know anything :\ |
| 04:30.41 | crackintosh | If I type a command at the command line and put an & at the end of it, then close my session in the shell, will that process continue running until it ends? |
| 04:30.47 | Darkside | i once knew a linux web admin who asked 'whats the linux copy command' |
| 04:30.48 | snewp | he will hire admin :p |
| 04:30.49 | crackintosh | or should I use screen? |
| 04:31.00 | simonrvn | use nohup or screen |
| 04:31.24 | crackintosh | simonrvn: how long will my process run, what is the time out? |
| 04:31.31 | cast | crackintosh: dtach is a nice app which pretty much just has be detach/reattach ability of screen and nothing else |
| 04:31.33 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me with a crash in gimp 2.4.1 and 2.2. Whenever I try to click on a drawing window, it crashes. The console output is: http://rafb.net/p/W8HCEb30.html. I have tried purging .gimp* I've also tried reinstalling and I've tried it with different versions of Xorg. |
| 04:31.40 | simonrvn | when it's killed |
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| 04:31.55 | rickityweb | what is a good linux distro to learn about Bind and bind files and config files with? |
| 04:31.56 | crackintosh | what will kill it? the end of the process or will the system kill it? |
| 04:32.12 | rickityweb | then when i install cpanel i can actually understand what i'm doing when i edit the dns in the GUI |
| 04:32.15 | rickityweb | cpanel GUI that is |
| 04:32.31 | Wyzard | rickityweb: Get a copy of the O'Reilly book "DNS & BIND" |
| 04:32.39 | rickityweb | ok |
| 04:32.41 | GhostlyDeath_ | awesome, SD Cards work now! |
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| 04:33.32 | rickityweb | Wyzard, are you talking "DNS and bind, 5th edition" or "DNS and BIND cookbook"? as they both seem to exist |
| 04:33.33 | cast | $ logout |
| 04:33.34 | cast | There are stopped jobs |
| 04:33.42 | Wyzard | rickityweb: the former |
| 04:33.45 | cast | when i logged out anyway it killed my job^ |
| 04:33.46 | rickityweb | Wyzard, which distro should i use to learn? |
| 04:34.06 | Wyzard | rickityweb: any that has BIND packages available would work, which is pretty much all of them |
| 04:34.07 | zinx | cast: as advertised. |
| 04:34.27 | Wyzard | cast: use nohup to prevent that |
| 04:34.49 | cast | well, i don't have a problem :D was just answering crackintosh with anecdotal |
| 04:35.00 | iKernel | Fetched 1108MB in 2h0m53s (153kB/s) |
| 04:35.04 | iKernel | finally |
| 04:35.25 | crackintosh | cast: i should be fine. thanks though |
| 04:35.27 | rickityweb | Wyzard, what distro is good for CLI interface only? |
| 04:35.47 | iKernel | rickityweb, dsl :P |
| 04:35.48 | zinx | Wyzard: or disown it :/ |
| 04:35.48 | rickityweb | that is to say, no gripes and i can do everything through the CLI. create users, ssh, edit, you name it |
| 04:35.50 | Darkside | rickityweb, you're in a debian channel |
| 04:35.56 | Darkside | and you're asking about other distros? :P |
| 04:36.30 | Wyzard | rickityweb: Lots of distros have a no-GUI install option |
| 04:36.38 | rickityweb | Darkside, the Debian community is made up of friendly and helpful people |
| 04:36.55 | kgoetz | Darkside: most distro specific channels are populated by people using various distros |
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| 04:37.22 | Darkside | :P |
| 04:37.23 | Wyzard | rickityweb: Debian would be a pretty reasonable choice, but it's far from the only choice |
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| 04:37.35 | Darkside | i use debian on my dedicated server |
| 04:37.38 | Darkside | love it |
| 04:38.37 | anomaly | any suggestions for underclocking a laptop cpu? google has as yet aided. I am sure there is some sort of command or sw I could apt-get or some such. |
| 04:38.48 | rickityweb | Darkside where do you rent from? |
| 04:38.54 | Zippy2 | why would you underclock a cpu |
| 04:38.59 | iKernel | ffffffffffffff............ |
| 04:39.14 | Darkside | rickityweb, i was on leaseweb |
| 04:39.23 | rickityweb | ahh cool |
| 04:39.28 | Darkside | but they they screwed me over with payments (charging me half a month early) |
| 04:39.34 | Darkside | so now i'm on rackedge |
| 04:39.39 | cast | linode is an awesome linux vps provider, can't remember how they compare with vpslink pricewise |
| 04:39.39 | rickityweb | i hear softlayer is making a name for themself in dedicated server market also |
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| 04:40.10 | anomaly | Zippy2 its older laptop. getting too hot, don't feel like running off to walmart to get some compressed air and clean out the cooling vents. |
| 04:40.13 | Darkside | i need servers in ... various countries... to host my, uh, large collection of linux isos |
| 04:40.18 | Darkside | yeah... linux isos... |
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| 04:40.39 | rickityweb | your linux isos come with .nfo files, if so msg me |
| 04:40.44 | rickityweb | heh jk |
| 04:40.45 | Darkside | :P |
| 04:40.50 | dalias | lol |
| 04:40.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | Window's System Information Files? |
| 04:40.58 | iKernel | Can somebody please help me with this error? =[ http://pastebin.ca/792121 |
| 04:41.01 | Darkside | yeah the naming convention for these linux isos is kind of off. |
| 04:41.03 | Darkside | odd* |
| 04:41.05 | dalias | ghostlydeath_, no.. |
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| 04:41.10 | iKernel | It's an apt-get dist-upgrade failure |
| 04:41.21 | dalias | heh i did something the other day that seemed SOOOOO wrong |
| 04:41.32 | jeffwheeler | I'm having trouble identifying the source of a crash I keep getting. |
| 04:41.34 | rickityweb | so who's voting this year? |
| 04:41.44 | dalias | iconv -f CP437 -t UTF-8 < something.nfo > fixed.nfo |
| 04:42.02 | jeffwheeler | Almost instantly after launching ratpoison and pidgin in Sid, the machine dies. I cannot exit Xorg, and I can only move the mouse. |
| 04:42.12 | Darkside | so.... SIOCADDRT: No such Process when trying to bring up a wireless network interface |
| 04:42.15 | Wyzard | iKernel: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-xorg |
| 04:42.17 | Darkside | anyone have any idea? |
| 04:42.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | What packages add support for playing MP3s? |
| 04:42.28 | Wyzard | iKernel: This is why you should always read the release notes before upgrading :-) |
| 04:43.00 | iKernel | >:( |
| 04:43.05 | rickityweb | anyone know which distro is the most secure? or even if freebsd is secure? |
| 04:43.05 | iKernel | dpkg told me nothing of that |
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| 04:44.03 | iKernel | when I did /msg dpkg etch->lenny he said nothing about not upgrading in an x session or any of the kind |
| 04:44.03 | Wyzard | iKernel: dpkg's output tells you that it can't create the /usr/X11R6/bin symlink (part of the new x11-common package) because there's already a directory by that name, belonging to your xgl package |
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| 04:44.23 | Wyzard | iKernel: oh, you meant dpkg the IRC bot, not dpkg the package tool |
| 04:44.23 | iKernel | Wyzard, so what do I do, remove xgl? |
| 04:44.28 | Wyzard | iKernel: yes |
| 04:44.29 | jeffwheeler | Let me take that back; it launches as soon as I resize pidgin in ratpoison. |
| 04:44.47 | Maenad | i just tried to mount /dev/hdc1 which i fdisk'd into filetype 83 (linux), but when i try to mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/backup i get this error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' anyone know what im doing wrong? |
| 04:45.22 | Wyzard | iKernel: That's a third-party unsupported package, which is why it's getting in the way of your upgrade |
| 04:45.48 | Wyzard | Maenad: apparently your /dev/hdc1 is a physical volume for LVM |
| 04:46.25 | Maenad | Wyzard: i dont know what LVM is, but you are right that it is a physically separate disk than the one im using (hda) |
| 04:46.49 | Wyzard | !tell Maenad about lvm |
| 04:48.28 | robboplus_ | what does it indicate when lots of packets are dropped in tcpdump? |
| 04:48.50 | robboplus_ | e.g. 2865 received and 1556 dropped by kernel |
| 04:49.25 | Maenad | Wyzard: wow that looks like a reeeally complicated solution. are you sure im not just missing an option with mount? |
| 04:50.59 | Tramp | Maenad: what filesystem did you create on hdc1? |
| 04:51.37 | Maenad | Linux (83) in fdisk |
| 04:51.43 | Maenad | thats all its described as |
| 04:51.57 | Tramp | Maenad: no. filesystem. mkfs?? |
| 04:52.17 | Maenad | oh! none |
| 04:52.20 | Tramp | Maenad: to mount something it has to have a filesystem. |
| 04:52.26 | Maenad | heh that makes sense |
| 04:52.34 | Tramp | Maenad: this could be a central part of your problem then. |
| 04:52.44 | Maenad | damn, my gentoo days were too long ago, i might need to do the whole thing again to refresh me =) |
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| 04:53.07 | Maenad | Tramp: whats the basic linux fs that i should use for -t |
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| 04:53.22 | Wyzard | Maenad: The type code in fdisk has absolutely nothing to do with the contents of the partition |
| 04:53.30 | Maenad | Wyzard: thanks. |
| 04:54.00 | Maenad | ext2 oh! |
| 04:54.01 | Wyzard | Maenad: type 83 suggests that the partition is used by Linux in some way, but it doesn't imply any particular filesystem |
| 04:54.15 | Tramp | Maenad: ext2 or ext3 is ok. |
| 04:54.33 | Maenad | which is more stable and reliable for backed up data, do you think? |
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| 04:55.15 | Wyzard | Maenad: ext3 is just ext2 with journaling (for better crash recovery) |
| 04:55.21 | Wyzard | Maenad: Other than that they're the same |
| 04:55.32 | Maenad | hmmm thanks |
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| 04:55.49 | Wyzard | and the journal only makes a real difference if you were writing to the filesystem when the crash occurred |
| 04:56.09 | Maenad | then id say its safer in any case, we never know about power surges |
| 04:56.10 | Tramp | robboplus_: You may have a slow something. Try with -w option to write to a file and see if the number drops. |
| 04:56.12 | Wyzard | but there's not much reason to use ext2 when ext3 is available |
| 04:57.25 | Wyzard | The only good reason I can think of for using ext2 is if you want a little bit of extra performance when writing, and don't care much about integrity of the filesystem in the event of a crash |
| 04:57.58 | axscode | how can i let the kernel 2.6.17 appears on aptitude? |
| 04:58.26 | Wyzard | axscode: There are no 2.6.17 packages in Debian |
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| 04:58.39 | Wyzard | axscode: There haven't been in a long time |
| 04:58.58 | Wyzard | You could find the old ones on snapshot.debian.net if you really need them, but why? |
| 04:59.25 | axscode | yes i reall need one... for embedded.. sorry i just need it for toolchain |
| 05:00.00 | Wyzard | "toolchain" generally refers to the compiler/linker/binutils/etc. |
| 05:00.05 | Wyzard | That has nothing to do with the kernel version |
| 05:00.25 | axscode | sorry, i have a module that needs a kernel version.. coz i dont have a source code for it.. |
| 05:00.32 | axscode | a proprietary module that is.. |
| 05:00.49 | axscode | so anyway. do you know whats the line on /etc/pat/sources.list for snapshot? |
| 05:00.56 | Wyzard | oh, and it's only packaged for 2.6.17 |
| 05:00.57 | Wyzard | ugh |
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| 05:01.11 | Wyzard | I don't offhand, but the website tells you |
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| 05:01.54 | axscode | .net that is right no .org? |
| 05:02.19 | axscode | hmmm... |
| 05:02.36 | Wyzard | yeah, it's an unofficial third-party website |
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| 05:03.25 | zero | Anyone know where I can get a tarball of dpkg? |
| 05:04.01 | GhostlyDeath | Why does all the text look bigger after I restarted my computer? |
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| 05:04.05 | slocate | tarball??? |
| 05:04.30 | zero | Like tar.bz2 or tar.gzip |
| 05:04.36 | zero | Err |
| 05:04.37 | zero | tar.gz |
| 05:04.41 | GhostlyDeath | I don't remember Sans 10 being so big |
| 05:04.44 | zero | Ooops |
| 05:04.59 | zero | I apologize for the multiple lines on my response |
| 05:05.34 | slocate | zero |
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| 05:05.46 | zero | slocate, |
| 05:05.56 | GhostlyDeath | hmm could someone highlight me please? |
| 05:06.07 | marek` | anyone know the package required to send data from phone to laptop via bluetooth |
| 05:06.12 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Run "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" and paste the line that it outputs |
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| 05:06.45 | GhostlyDeath | nah, that box will just get in the way |
| 05:07.04 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: 98x98dpi |
| 05:07.08 | mu9214 | what is the default path to the cdrom drive? Isn't it /cdrom? when I 'ls' that path, there is nothing, but there is a cdrom in there. |
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| 05:07.14 | mu9214 | er.. a cd. |
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| 05:08.07 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: sounds like xorg is now using your monitor's true DPI, rather than a forced 96x96 |
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| 05:08.07 | GhostlyDeath | mu9214: /media/cdromX could be one spot |
| 05:08.07 | mu9214 | GhostlyDeath: tried there too, didn't help. |
| 05:08.10 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Do you use a display manager (gdm/kdm/xdm) or startx? |
| 05:08.12 | GhostlyDeath | mu9214: but /dev/cdromX are the actual device files for them |
| 05:08.16 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: gdm |
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| 05:08.47 | mu9214 | GhostlyDeath: what does that mean? |
| 05:09.05 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: GDM's default configuration used to force the X server's DPI to 96... apparently that's been changed |
| 05:09.20 | mu9214 | GhostlyDeath: ?? |
| 05:09.24 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I assuming you're running testing or unstable and gdm got upgraded recently |
| 05:09.29 | GhostlyDeath | muzz2k: Is the CD mounted? |
| 05:09.41 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: Running testing but I stole some packages from unstable |
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| 05:09.59 | mu9214 | GhostlyDeath: how do i mount it, mount /cdrom ? |
| 05:10.11 | GhostlyDeath | mu9214: yes |
| 05:10.20 | mu9214 | k. thanks |
| 05:10.25 | zero | So know one knows of a tarball for dpkg? |
| 05:10.31 | GhostlyDeath | mu9214: It will be different if you have more than one CD drive though |
| 05:10.45 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: ps -ef | grep /usr/bin/X |
| 05:10.55 | mu9214 | GhostlyDeath: thanks. |
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| 05:10.59 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You should see a line like: /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp |
| 05:11.14 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Formerly, there'd be a "-dpi 96" option in there |
| 05:11.23 | GhostlyDeath | "root 4017 4013 1 Nov20 tty7 00:00:13 /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7" |
| 05:12.06 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: looks like the change was made in version 2.18.4-1 of the gdm package |
| 05:12.23 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I think testing was upgraded |
| 05:12.27 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: "Stop imposing the DPI settings; this was a quick fix that users may opt to do, but the correct thing to do is to fix the Xorg configuration on these systems or fix the generation of this config; document this in README.Debian; closes: #278026, #339707, #364545." |
| 05:13.17 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Since GDM is no longer passing "-dpi 96" when starting the X server, the X server looks at the monitor's physical dimensions (obtained from EDID data) and the pixel dimensions and calculates the true DPI |
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| 05:14.33 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I can get used to it, doesn't bother me at all |
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| 05:15.00 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I just didn't expect it so I was surprised |
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| 05:15.54 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You now have correct text scaling: 12-point text is one-sixth of an inch tall (regardless of how many pixels that is) rather than 16 pixels tall (regardless of how large that appears onscreen) |
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| 05:16.11 | up365 | marek`, search your synaptic package manager for bluetooth |
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| 05:16.46 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: and if you zoom something like a PDF file to "100%", it'll actually appear the same size as it would when printed |
| 05:17.08 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: yeah 12-point is about 1/6 |
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| 05:17.48 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: one "point" is defined to be 1/72 inch (on computers at least; traditionally it's 1/72.25 inch) |
| 05:18.42 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: but due to almost nobody having their DPI set correctly for the whole history of personal computing, people don't realize that and expect text of a certain point size to always be the same pixel size |
| 05:20.02 | Wyzard | hmm, I'm wrong, a traditional point is 1/72.27", not 1/72.25" |
| 05:20.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I asked in #nvidia, but didn't get an answer. |
| 05:20.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out with this error? http://pastebin.ca/792147 |
| 05:20.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's the nvidia binary driver's installer. |
| 05:21.25 | GhostlyDeath | there we go, nice ephipany |
| 05:21.28 | Wyzard | Is Galeon still developed? |
| 05:21.34 | Wyzard | I used to use that, but dropped it for epiphany |
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| 05:21.54 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Settings -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications |
| 05:22.00 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I like epiphany better, yeah that's what I did |
| 05:22.00 | Wyzard | Choose Epiphany as your preferred browser |
| 05:22.10 | zero | Eww |
| 05:22.13 | zero | epiphany |
| 05:22.17 | zero | Bulky |
| 05:22.18 | zero | Ugly |
| 05:22.21 | GhostlyDeath | nice |
| 05:22.22 | zero | Memory hog |
| 05:22.43 | Wyzard | zero: compared to what? |
| 05:22.47 | zero | Firefox |
| 05:22.50 | GhostlyDeath | Better than Iceweasel/Firefox |
| 05:22.53 | zero | But then again... |
| 05:23.01 | zero | I am running Gentoo on my PC |
| 05:23.06 | zero | Running Ubuntu on my server |
| 05:23.08 | Wyzard | zero: It uses the same engine as Firefox (Gecko), and the rest of its UI is more lightweight |
| 05:23.37 | zero | Actually, I've always found it to be heavier on system resources |
| 05:23.41 | zero | But that could just be me |
| 05:23.45 | GhostlyDeath | I prefer IE7 when in Vista and Epiphany when in Linux |
| 05:24.11 | Wyzard | I prefer IE7 over IE6, but Firefox is my main browser in Windows |
| 05:24.17 | GhostlyDeath | zero: Windows ME is the Evil OS |
| 05:24.25 | Wyzard | but in Debian I use Epiphany because it fits into GNOME a bit more nicely |
| 05:24.34 | techrush | way to complete the cliche of windows hating linux nerds |
| 05:24.35 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: yeah it does |
| 05:24.35 | techrush | bye |
| 05:24.36 | zero | ... |
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| 05:24.42 | zero | Windows is the evil OS |
| 05:25.02 | CaT[tm] | windows let the sunshine in! |
| 05:25.11 | GhostlyDeath | Windows revived my dog! |
| 05:25.31 | zero | Windows also let all the bugs and dirt in to make everything dirty and to get you sick and itchy |
| 05:25.46 | GhostlyDeath | zero: Windows doesn't do that, users do |
| 05:26.09 | zero | If I run Windows I use deepfreeze |
| 05:26.10 | zero | Lol |
| 05:26.11 | GhostlyDeath | Install Windows on a PC, and dont connect it to the net and do nothing on it |
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| 05:26.21 | GhostlyDeath | Secure Stable OS |
| 05:26.47 | CaT[tm] | it'll probably corrupt itself for lack of something better to do :) |
| 05:26.53 | GhostlyDeath | But when you add a user, things turn bad quickly |
| 05:27.40 | GhostlyDeath | CaT[tm]: It will defragment the computer and when it tries again it will say "The hard drive is already defragmented :'(" |
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| 05:28.01 | iKernel | Yay I have lenny =D |
| 05:28.24 | zero | I think if you could use a linux native file system on Windows |
| 05:28.25 | GhostlyDeath | CaT[tm]: It will start to play pong with it's own windows and play solitair until the circuits die |
| 05:28.27 | Zippy2 | lenny has you |
| 05:28.36 | iKernel | zero, that would be awesome |
| 05:28.37 | zero | It would solve some of the latency that occurs over time |
| 05:28.39 | GhostlyDeath | Zippy2: In the USSR? |
| 05:28.48 | zero | Simply because it doesn't fragment |
| 05:29.32 | GhostlyDeath | lol |
| 05:29.34 | zero | :P |
| 05:29.45 | Wyzard | Any filesystem can fragment |
| 05:29.51 | Wyzard | Most just don't fragment as quickly as FAT |
| 05:30.00 | zero | Or NTFS |
| 05:30.18 | GhostlyDeath | zero: [ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff], lets say you placed a file at the 10th f, so there you go: You got a fragmented filesystem! |
| 05:30.24 | Wyzard | I'm looking forward to ext4's online defragmentation support though |
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| 05:30.42 | GhostlyDeath | FAT is from the 1980s |
| 05:30.59 | GhostlyDeath | and programmers back then didn't think about the future |
| 05:31.00 | bzed | if you can stick with ext2 - fs-driver works very well in windows |
| 05:31.01 | GhostlyDeath | so hacks had to be made |
| 05:31.13 | Jyzygzy- | how does the startup system work? |
| 05:31.24 | Jyzygzy- | like what programs are run at startup |
| 05:31.29 | bzed | well, you can't install windows on it unfortunately |
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| 05:31.48 | GhostlyDeath | bzed: You probably can if you got the drivers loaded in the installer |
| 05:31.54 | croddy | processes are started by init. it's really not something that can be explained in one line. |
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| 05:32.18 | Jyzygzy- | i now mean the processes that are run at the startup |
| 05:32.21 | zero | If you create a partition via fs-drivers |
| 05:32.23 | bzed | GhostlyDeath: hmm true. If I'd be interested in windows I'd give it a try ;) |
| 05:32.26 | zero | Copy your windows install |
| 05:32.26 | Jyzygzy- | how are those handeled |
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| 05:32.28 | zero | Install lilo |
| 05:32.31 | zero | Or Grub |
| 05:32.33 | GhostlyDeath | Jyzygzy-: Window Manager or system started? |
| 05:32.39 | Jyzygzy- | system |
| 05:32.42 | zero | And write a bat file to load the drivers before anything else |
| 05:32.44 | Jyzygzy- | when you boot to the system |
| 05:32.47 | zero | You MIGHT be able to get it to work |
| 05:32.59 | Jyzygzy- | it starts apache and ssh and stuff like that |
| 05:33.01 | Jyzygzy- | how do you add junk |
| 05:33.04 | GhostlyDeath | zero: It's not that simple |
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| 05:33.12 | Jyzygzy- | for example if you want it to automatically start IRC |
| 05:33.17 | zero | Nothing is ever that simple on Windows... |
| 05:33.24 | GhostlyDeath | zero: and linux |
| 05:33.47 | GhostlyDeath | Jyzygzy-: If you use GNOME go to SYstem > Preferences > Session |
| 05:33.48 | zero | But it's simpler |
| 05:33.49 | zero | =P |
| 05:33.57 | Jyzygzy- | i don't have a window manager |
| 05:34.21 | GhostlyDeath | I wouldn't know, I'm a GUI person |
| 05:34.38 | Jyzygzy- | u are then worthless |
| 05:34.43 | zero | I believe you can create a login script... |
| 05:34.48 | zero | Don't ask me how though |
| 05:34.51 | zero | Never botherd |
| 05:34.56 | GhostlyDeath | Jyzygzy-: hey that's not a nice thing to say |
| 05:35.05 | Jyzygzy- | i know |
| 05:35.18 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: what exactly do you want to start, and as which user? |
| 05:35.26 | GhostlyDeath | Jyzygzy-: What do you mean by "Worthless"? |
| 05:36.03 | Jyzygzy- | bzed well doesn't reall matter |
| 05:36.06 | Jyzygzy- | i just wanna start |
| 05:36.06 | batterista | i have a probleb with apt-get update, i can't update list, i can't go to ftp.it.debian.org but i can got updates security |
| 05:36.09 | Zippy2 | its syzygy |
| 05:36.10 | Zippy2 | :( |
| 05:36.18 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: If you look in /etc/inittab you'll see that it runs commands like "/etc/init.d/rc 2" |
| 05:36.27 | Jyzygzy- | yea the runlevels |
| 05:36.30 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: well it does matter, because there're a lot of ways to start things |
| 05:36.37 | Jyzygzy- | so basicly each runlevel had its directory? |
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| 05:36.50 | Jyzygzy- | its runlevel3 that is done in startup |
| 05:36.51 | DeZ_666 | can anyone help me fix my networking? |
| 05:36.54 | Jyzygzy- | so rc3.d? |
| 05:36.58 | Jyzygzy- | i add my scrip there |
| 05:37.00 | DeZ_666 | debian keeps seeing new eth's |
| 05:37.02 | Jyzygzy- | and it works |
| 05:37.11 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: /etc/init.d/rc is a script which looks in /etc/rc2.d and runs the files there -- things that begin with 'S' are run with a parameter of "start", and things that begin with 'K' are run with a parameter of "stop" |
| 05:37.11 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: you can either start something in a runlevel, with an init script, or in the rc.local file, or just put it into the crontab |
| 05:37.22 | Jyzygzy- | oh ok |
| 05:37.25 | Jyzygzy- | many options |
| 05:37.29 | bzed | Wyzard: the default runlevel in debian is 2 btw |
| 05:37.33 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: Those are just symlinks -- the actual service scripts are kept in /etc/init.d, and referenced by symlinks in rc2.d, rc3.d, etc. |
| 05:37.34 | Jyzygzy- | in crontab file there is gonna be a 1min delay? |
| 05:38.11 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: The service scripts in /etc/init.d are started and stopped with commands like "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" and "/etc/init.d/apache2 stop" |
| 05:38.13 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: if you use something weird like @reboot sleep 60; program |
| 05:38.32 | Jyzygzy- | Wyzard yea this i knew |
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| 05:38.41 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: and the invocation of /etc/init.d/rc in /etc/inittab, combined with those symlinks in the rc*.d directories, cause those "start" and "stop" commands to be run at the appropriate times |
| 05:38.45 | Jyzygzy- | i mean i have a little script that i need to run |
| 05:38.50 | Jyzygzy- | that adds the firewall rules |
| 05:38.55 | Jyzygzy- | and starts a daemon |
| 05:38.59 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: see, why didn;'t you say that |
| 05:39.07 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: You could write your own initscript for that |
| 05:39.08 | Jyzygzy- | im so shy! |
| 05:39.16 | Jyzygzy- | indeed |
| 05:39.18 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: /etc/network/interfaces is the place for that |
| 05:39.19 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: but for defining firewall rules, it'd be better to use a package like firehol or shorewall |
| 05:39.31 | Jyzygzy- | no |
| 05:39.38 | Jyzygzy- | i don't need those |
| 05:39.42 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: usually as pre-up or post-upp entry for the public interface |
| 05:39.56 | Jyzygzy- | the crontab thing sounded easy |
| 05:39.58 | zero | God I love portage... |
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| 05:39.59 | bzed | *post-up |
| 05:40.02 | Jyzygzy- | i could just make a simple bash script |
| 05:40.15 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: well, if you're out of luck you'll be without firewall for some time |
| 05:40.31 | Jyzygzy- | i don't care |
| 05:40.38 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: If you do need to write a custom initscript, though, make a copy of /etc/init.d/skeleton to use as a starting point, and read "man update-rc.d" to learn the preferred way to manage the symlinks in the rc*.d directories |
| 05:40.50 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: that's why you put it into /etc/network/interfaces, so the script is run before your interface goes up, or if you need the interface to be up, as soon as possible after that |
| 05:40.54 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: but take a look at firehol/shorewall/etc. first |
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| 05:41.16 | Jyzygzy- | no |
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| 05:41.24 | Jyzygzy- | its not rules like that |
| 05:41.31 | dserban__ | I can't install nautilus... doesn't seem that a bug has been reported yet, i'm running sid... it's been broken for days now... can someone confirm/ |
| 05:41.32 | dserban__ | ? |
| 05:41.34 | Wyzard | bzed: firewalls are normally done as a service started at boot time, regardless of whether the interface is actually up |
| 05:41.34 | Jyzygzy- | just some stupid prerouting rules |
| 05:41.53 | simonrvn | WorksHere (/me looks at the background) |
| 05:41.56 | zero | :P |
| 05:41.58 | Jyzygzy- | to route some traffic locally |
| 05:42.02 | bzed | Wyzard: the linux firewall resides in the kernel, indeed |
| 05:42.06 | Jyzygzy- | so i don't care when they start really |
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| 05:42.10 | simonrvn | zero: eew. i'm eating, dude |
| 05:42.15 | Jyzygzy- | somewhere there when the computer starts is fine |
| 05:42.16 | bzed | Wyzard: and there's absolutely no need to use shorewall or any other weirdness for them |
| 05:42.26 | zero | Eww? |
| 05:42.30 | dserban__ | simonrvn, heh... here's the prob: nautilus: Depends: libexempi2 which is a virtual package. |
| 05:42.42 | dserban__ | reported by aptitude :(\ |
| 05:42.44 | Jyzygzy- | hmm rc.local |
| 05:42.45 | simonrvn | dserban__: updated recently? |
| 05:42.46 | Jyzygzy- | seems nice |
| 05:42.50 | bzed | Wyzard: as long as the firewall is configured before your interface is up, you're fine |
| 05:42.52 | Jyzygzy- | i could just add the`rules here`? |
| 05:42.56 | Jyzygzy- | at the bottom of the file |
| 05:43.00 | dserban__ | simonrvn, absolutely |
| 05:43.00 | zero | simonrvn, eww? |
| 05:43.11 | bzed | Wyzard: and pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces is a really good place for that |
| 05:43.38 | Jyzygzy- | indeed i could! |
| 05:43.38 | simonrvn | odd, haven't seen that problem |
| 05:43.38 | simonrvn | zero: that's what i said yes |
| 05:43.42 | zero | Simoneloco, why ew? |
| 05:43.43 | zero | Err |
| 05:43.46 | zero | simonrvn, why ew? |
| 05:44.00 | batterista | can somebody help me to fix my eth0 ? |
| 05:44.05 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: sure, that should work, too |
| 05:44.26 | simonrvn | not something i would enjoy. mind you, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't like it |
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| 05:44.51 | Wyzard | bzed: sure, but that involves coming up with custom rules and writing a script... writing a firehol policy file is much simpler |
| 05:45.05 | dserban__ | meh it seems bizuzzlsted :( |
| 05:45.12 | zero | simonrvn, ew portage or ew Ubuntu? |
| 05:45.29 | simonrvn | ew portage |
| 05:46.05 | Jyzygzy- | well hope it worx |
| 05:46.53 | bzed | Wyzard: then I have to trust firehol |
| 05:46.57 | zero | Ah well |
| 05:47.00 | zero | I'm a big Gentoo fan |
| 05:47.36 | Jyzygzy- | when you compile software isnt make the part where it actually compiles |
| 05:47.46 | zero | Depends... |
| 05:47.51 | Wyzard | bzed: just like you have to trust your kernel |
| 05:47.51 | zero | make by itself |
| 05:47.52 | zero | Yes |
| 05:47.52 | Jyzygzy- | then "make install" just moves the binaries to right places |
| 05:47.56 | zero | Yep |
| 05:47.57 | bzed | Wyzard: and writing my own scripts was also much more simple for me |
| 05:48.14 | Jyzygzy- | so where is the information what those commands run |
| 05:48.25 | Wyzard | Jyzygzy-: yes, though packages are preferred over custom-compiling stuff |
| 05:48.28 | zero | In the makefile |
| 05:48.51 | Jyzygzy- | i need to reverse engineer an installer |
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| 05:48.58 | bzed | Jyzygzy-: and you want to use --prefix=/usr/local for the configure script |
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| 05:49.18 | Wyzard | That's the default prefix in most configure scripts |
| 05:49.27 | Jyzygzy- | i wanna isntall stuff to a distribution that does not have any package management |
| 05:49.33 | Jyzygzy- | neither gcc |
| 05:50.04 | Wyzard | sounds like you're building a custom embedded system |
| 05:50.10 | Jyzygzy- | i've seen ppl compiling the binaries on other computer and then they simply look into make install and reverse engineer a installer |
| 05:50.20 | zero | If you want to do that... |
| 05:50.23 | zero | There's always lfs |
| 05:50.30 | Jyzygzy- | well it kinda works :O |
| 05:50.35 | Jyzygzy- | i wanna learn to do it myself |
| 05:50.39 | simonrvn | zero: i don't doubt gentoo has its merits, but we're getting really OT now ;) |
| 05:50.53 | zero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:51.29 | streuner | OffTopic! |
| 05:51.57 | zero | Ah |
| 05:51.58 | zero | :P |
| 05:52.33 | Jyzygzy- | no no we are in The Core of Debian |
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| 05:53.11 | streuner | no, sing 3 times "Halleluja" and after that "Amen" |
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| 05:53.24 | dbe | Where can I find fftw3f exactly (URL)? |
| 05:53.39 | streuner | ever tried google? |
| 05:53.41 | Jyzygzy- | oh the fftw3f... sure |
| 05:53.48 | Jyzygzy- | sounds like another crappy window manager |
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| 05:54.07 | streuner | !find fftw3f |
| 05:54.17 | Jyzygzy- | !find vim |
| 05:54.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fftw3f' (2): (/usr/lib/{libfftw3f.so.3|libfftw3f.so.3.1.2|libfftw3f_threads.so.3|...}) in libs/libfftw3-3 ;; (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/fftw3f.pc, /usr/lib/{libfftw3f.a|libfftw3f.la|libfftw3f.so|...}) in libdevel/libfftw3-dev. |
| 05:54.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'vim' (8 of 56): (/usr/bin/vim.basic) in editors/vim ;; (/usr/bin/vim.nox) in editors/vim-nox ;; (/usr/bin/vim.gtk) in editors/vim-gtk ;; (/usr/bin/vim.tiny) in editors/vim-tiny ;; (/etc/vim/plugin/vifm.vim) in utils/vifm ;; (/usr/bin/vim.gnome) in editors/vim-gnome ;; (/usr/bin/vimtutor) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/lib/jvim/tools/vim132) in doc/jvim-doc. |
| 05:54.34 | Jyzygzy- | oh lol |
| 05:54.52 | KL | hi everybody, i want to install debian, but i have problems with the partitions, can somebody help me? |
| 05:55.27 | kriebel | sure |
| 05:55.29 | streuner | KL: ask |
| 05:56.23 | KL | ok, i already have installled Ubuntu, but i want to also install Debian, i want to resize my ntfs partition, but i cant, im trying with GParted |
| 05:56.24 | streuner | KL: Did you read ig (/msg dpkg ig)? |
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| 05:56.59 | Jyzygzy- | i don't think you can resize ntfs partition with lunix |
| 05:57.32 | KL | the first time i installed linux, (ubuntu) i did it with gparted |
| 05:57.37 | Wyzard | There's an ntfsresize program |
| 05:57.46 | Wyzard | which I've used successfully for shrinking an NTFS filesystem |
| 05:57.51 | Wyzard | never tried enlarging one |
| 05:58.06 | streuner | first remove ubuntu and ntfs, install Debian then ;-) |
| 05:58.06 | Jyzygzy- | KL remember that you can always install debian over the ubuntu |
| 05:58.13 | Jyzygzy- | yes :-D |
| 05:58.35 | KL | but if i want to keep Ubuntu? |
| 05:58.40 | Wyzard | KL: You can shrink your NTFS partition from the Debian installer's partitioning tool |
| 05:58.47 | Jyzygzy- | KL naahh |
| 05:58.57 | streuner | KL: why do you want install Debian, btw? |
| 05:59.03 | Wyzard | KL: Just highlight the NTFS partition, pres Enter to bring up its details, and change the size |
| 05:59.17 | KL | because im tired of the shitty problems with Ubuntu |
| 05:59.18 | Jyzygzy- | geez can you resize NTFS nowdays? |
| 05:59.28 | kriebel | hey, guys, stop giving him a hard time |
| 05:59.45 | streuner | KL: bugs.debian.org is full of shitty problems in Debian ;-) |
| 05:59.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:59.58 | streuner | thats no reason |
| 06:00.31 | KL | i think the pure debien is more stable than uubuntu, i heard that, thats why im changing |
| 06:02.00 | Jyzygzy- | the fact that ubuntu exists bugs me |
| 06:02.07 | Jyzygzy- | can we do something about that? |
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| 06:02.27 | Jyzygzy- | what do i have to bomb to get it away |
| 06:02.33 | KL | so with the network installer cd i can resize the ntfs partition so i can make then the / and swap partitions for DEbian? |
| 06:02.46 | Jyzygzy- | sure |
| 06:03.04 | Jyzygzy- | you can apt-get the neccessary tools to resize |
| 06:03.10 | Jyzygzy- | (if there are any= |
| 06:03.39 | KL | ok ill try, and see what happen |
| 06:03.42 | KL | be back |
| 06:03.46 | KL | thanks |
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| 06:04.55 | Jyzygzy- | *KL has joined <KL> How do i repair a broken NTFS? |
| 06:05.18 | streuner | ah, that makes more sense then... |
| 06:05.31 | Jyzygzy- | i predict! |
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| 06:07.53 | kriebel | odd... I actually quit |
| 06:07.56 | kriebel | why did I ghost |
| 06:08.19 | Wyzard | kriebel: <-- kriebel has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 06:08.47 | kriebel | I know, I watched it happen... then I realized I had a _ at the end of my name |
| 06:08.56 | kriebel | btw, yes, it's me Wyzard |
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| 06:09.16 | Wyzard | You didn't quit cleanly though... just disconnected abruptly |
| 06:09.22 | Wyzard | That's probably why |
| 06:10.23 | kriebel | so what's the deal with FLAC being exploitable? |
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| 06:10.48 | Wyzard | hmm, hadn't heard about that |
| 06:11.02 | dserban|home | ok someone help me... wth... can't install nautilus, so I need hand holding to check wth is wrong here. Apparently no one else has this issue. |
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| 06:11.16 | Wyzard | buffer overflow in libflac... interesting |
| 06:11.26 | dserban|home | It got removed by aptitude, now I can't install it. |
| 06:11.27 | streuner | dserban: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:11.49 | Wyzard | dserban|home: yeah, it depends on a package that no longer exists in sid for some reason |
| 06:12.29 | dserban|home | Wyzard, I see that, but there are zero bug reports.. which I find strange since it's been in this state for about 4 days now-ish |
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| 06:13.18 | kriebel | huh. good thing that didn't happen to me when I just went from lenny back to sid |
| 06:13.29 | Wyzard | dserban|home: You might be the first to try to install it while it's in this state... people who run sid and use GNOME would have nautilus installed already, and wouldn't notice |
| 06:13.45 | dserban|home | streuner, thanks, though I know how to check bts ;) always have and this is somewhat perplexing since people usually bitch quite quickly ;) |
| 06:14.16 | dserban|home | Wyzard, yep though aptitude would mark it broken then wouldn't it? (just speaking from past experience) |
| 06:14.35 | Wyzard | kriebel: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-4619 says the vulnerability is confirmed in a bunch of distros, but doesn't mention Debian... since there's no Debian security advisory either, maybe Debian isn't vulnerable |
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| 06:15.01 | Wyzard | dserban|home: "broken" means something different, a package that failed during .deb installation |
| 06:15.20 | Wyzard | dserban|home: as opposed to aptitude refusing to even try to install it because the dependencies aren't met |
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| 06:16.17 | dserban|home | aye, hmm maybe I've got that confused, always thought that if a currently installed package has a dependency removed... it would be marked as broken as its requirements aren't met. |
| 06:17.21 | stew | aptitude would list a package as broken if its installed or requested to be installed, and its dependencies aren't satisfied |
| 06:17.27 | Wyzard | dserban|home: oh, you're talking about aptitude's broken, with the red highlight... I was thinking of something different |
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| 06:18.18 | Wyzard | dserban|home: The thing is, if a package is removed from the *archive*, that doesn't mean it gets uninstalled from the systems of everyone who has it installed |
| 06:18.47 | Wyzard | dserban|home: Whatever that package is, (you mentioned the name earlier), I have it installed, so nautilus works fine |
| 06:19.06 | Wyzard | dserban|home: If I were to uninstall it, I wouldn't be able to reinstall it, but it's on my disk already so it doesn't matter that it's no longer on Debian's mirrors |
| 06:19.58 | dserban|home | Yeah I figured that ;) Though thanks since I'm feeling utterly confused as to the state that sid is in. aptitude is reporting a lot of kept back packages currently etc. |
| 06:20.25 | Wyzard | dserban|home: I currently have two packages held back, locales and xserver-xorg-core |
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| 06:21.46 | ankur | I am using debain 3.1r1 sarge. I have created an dosfs image using dd command. Now how can I mount it using loopback device |
| 06:22.16 | dserban|home | Aye me too, .... |
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| 06:22.24 | dserban|home | oh wow there is a reported bug in b.d.o |
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| 06:22.29 | dserban|home | :(... just hard to find |
| 06:22.33 | Wyzard | ankur: dd doesn't create DOS filesystems... do you mean you dd'ed from a floppy or something? |
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| 06:22.50 | Wyzard | ankur: mount dosfloppy.bin /mnt/whatever -o loop |
| 06:23.59 | achilles14 | few updates these days, what happened? |
| 06:24.36 | ankur | wyzard: thanks a lot. I use dd if=/dev/zero of=dosfs bs=2k count=16384 |
| 06:24.55 | dalias | ankur, that does not make a dos fs... |
| 06:24.59 | dserban|home | Wyzard, thanks for the banter, as it seems I've wasted your time :) Finally found what I was looking for. |
| 06:25.04 | Wyzard | ankur: That doesn't make a filesystem, it makes a file full of zeros |
| 06:25.38 | Wyzard | ankur: Take a look at the "mkdosfs" program in the dosfstools package |
| 06:25.40 | ankur | wyzard: dalias: Thanks.. I agree. I was wrong |
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| 06:26.28 | ankur | wyzard: so how can I mount the "dosfs" which is generated using above command? |
| 06:27.01 | Wyzard | ankur: The one you made with the dd command alone? |
| 06:27.03 | Wyzard | You can't mount that |
| 06:27.09 | Wyzard | It's 64 kilobytes of nothing |
| 06:27.29 | Wyzard | oops, 32k |
| 06:27.41 | ankur | wyzard: yes.32k |
| 06:27.46 | Wyzard | (which is rather small for a filesystem anyway, btw) |
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| 06:27.54 | jkitchen | nahhhh |
| 06:28.04 | jkitchen | 32k is HUGE. |
| 06:28.05 | Wyzard | ankur: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 06:28.52 | Wyzard | i.e. why do you feel you need a 32k DOS filesystem? |
| 06:30.06 | ankur | wyzard: Actually USB mass storage application uses above file and then it get mounted to windows filesystem so one can use as flash drive. Now on the target I have the above file. |
| 06:30.20 | ankur | Now I have to mount that file to get the actual data. |
| 06:30.44 | kriebel | wtfs, my miro has commercials |
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| 06:31.10 | Wyzard | ankur: What you've done with dd has nothing to do with any flash drive |
| 06:31.22 | Nyle | !vesa |
| 06:31.22 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 06:31.34 | Wyzard | ankur: What are you trying to accomplish with your flash drive? |
| 06:32.18 | kriebel | make a boot block to use the USB drive to boot from? |
| 06:32.39 | ankur | wyzard: I am making it dosfs following "mkdosfs -S 512 dosfs" |
| 06:33.19 | Wyzard | ankur: If you want to put a DOS filesystem on the flash drive, you'd run it on the device file corresponding to a partition on the flash drive |
| 06:33.36 | predder | I have Debian installed on my G4 Ibook, it used to boot into the yaboot boot loader but now when I turn the machine on it skips and goes straight into osx. Any suggestions how to fix this without reinstalling Debian? |
| 06:34.01 | nite613_ | !grub |
| 06:34.01 | dpkg | methinks grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 06:34.05 | Wyzard | ankur: There's no need to do anything with dd |
| 06:34.22 | zero | !lilo |
| 06:34.22 | dpkg | from memory, lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 06:34.22 | Nyle | nite613_: dude... yaboot != grub |
| 06:34.25 | Nyle | or lilo |
| 06:34.33 | Nyle | stop smoking crack people |
| 06:34.53 | Nyle | predder: try irc.oftc.net #debianppc |
| 06:34.55 | Nyle | !ppc |
| 06:34.56 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 06:38.33 | ankur | wyzard: Lets start from beginning. I use dd if=/dev/zero of=dosfs bs=2k count=16384 to create file. Then we formated it using "mkdosfs -S 512 dosfs". Then our USB application will use this file and make our deivce as pen drive. Now from windows I can access this file but I cannot mount in linux. |
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| 06:39.07 | Wyzard | ankur: What is this "USB application" you're talking about? |
| 06:39.17 | Wyzard | ankur: Your 32k file of zeros is not a flash drive |
| 06:39.32 | stew | why would it all be zeros? |
| 06:39.35 | ankur | wyzard: no. Its a normal file. |
| 06:39.55 | stew | ankur: mount -o loop /path/to/file /mountpoint |
| 06:40.05 | Wyzard | stew: because he dd'ed it from /dev/zero |
| 06:40.14 | stew | Wyzard: and then ran mkdosfs |
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| 06:40.31 | Wyzard | OK, so it's not just zeros anymore |
| 06:40.34 | kriebel | that's what I thought he was doing. didn't make it very clear though |
| 06:40.36 | Wyzard | It's still not a flash drive |
| 06:40.48 | kriebel | what's the output when you run the mount command? |
| 06:40.50 | ankur | stew: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 06:41.19 | Nyle | but you don't have a file system |
| 06:41.24 | stew | ankur: mount -o loop -t msdos /path/to/file /mountpoint |
| 06:41.25 | Nyle | you just have a file full of 0 |
| 06:41.32 | stew | Nyle: he has a filesystem |
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| 06:41.36 | Nyle | he made one? |
| 06:41.38 | Nyle | ok |
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| 06:41.48 | KL | hi again everybody |
| 06:41.48 | Nyle | ok nm is see |
| 06:42.03 | Nyle | KL: ok hi |
| 06:42.13 | ankur | stew: following message "mount: fs type dosfs not supported by kernel" |
| 06:42.18 | Nyle | KL in da hizzouse |
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| 06:42.21 | Wyzard | ankur: Try "vfat" |
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| 06:42.29 | KL | i have decided to replace Ubuntu |
| 06:42.41 | Wyzard | ankur: (That's preferable anyway; it gets you long-filenames support, whereas msdos only supports 8.3 filenames) |
| 06:42.44 | Nyle | what a great decision |
| 06:42.47 | Nyle | !beer KL |
| 06:42.48 | Guerin | ankur: try knowing what you're typing, not just randomly doing things people on irc tell you |
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| 06:43.19 | KL | how can i do that, simply booting from my cd, i have network install cd |
| 06:43.44 | Nyle | KL: you want to install debian?" |
| 06:43.49 | KL | yeah |
| 06:44.01 | Nyle | !d-i KL |
| 06:44.01 | dpkg | KL, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:44.07 | Nyle | !tell KL -about ig |
| 06:44.13 | Nyle | thats about all you need |
| 06:44.15 | Nyle | have fun |
| 06:44.15 | KL | i have the network install cd |
| 06:44.23 | stew | ankur: are you sure you are wanting to make a 32kb filesystem and not a 32mb filesystem? |
| 06:44.24 | Nyle | pop it in and boot up |
| 06:44.38 | simonrvn | so, insert it and reboot ;) |
| 06:44.43 | ankur | stew: following message "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0," |
| 06:44.54 | Nyle | hey its my main man simon freaking rvn |
| 06:45.02 | ankur | stew: I guess dd command will make it 32 MB file. |
| 06:45.04 | simonrvn | hehe, hi Nyle |
| 06:45.08 | Nyle | whats up man |
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| 06:45.22 | simonrvn | the usual. the sky =;) |
| 06:45.34 | Nyle | simonrvn: do you understand what ankur is trying to do? |
| 06:45.46 | Nyle | does anyone? |
| 06:45.54 | kriebel | Wyzard: I think it can be used to let BIOSs boot the drive with the rest of the space dedicated to something else |
| 06:45.55 | predder | thanks Nyle |
| 06:46.07 | Nyle | predder: ok sure |
| 06:46.11 | Wyzard | hmm, yeah, that is 32MB, not 32k |
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| 06:46.21 | kriebel | like the floppy image on the begining of a CD |
| 06:46.24 | Wyzard | kriebel: but he's not putting it on a partition or anything |
| 06:46.29 | stew | ankur: i'd recommend using mkfs.vfat, not mkdosfs |
| 06:46.34 | simonrvn | trying to mount something loopback, and do wtfever ... i'm with Wyzard, i don't see how that would qualify as a "pen drive" |
| 06:46.36 | KL | ive already read that guide, buts i think it doesnt show the "replacing ubuntu" part |
| 06:46.46 | ankur | wyzard: The USB application will show the above file only when connect to the windows machine. and I can access it as a flash drive. Now If I keep some file in windows into the device. How can I get that in linux back. |
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| 06:46.52 | kriebel | well.. he's stuck on step 3 of 20 with a kernel that doesn't support DOS FS types |
| 06:47.04 | Wyzard | ankur: What is the "USB application"? |
| 06:47.13 | Wyzard | ankur: This part of your description doesn't make any sense |
| 06:47.13 | Nyle | KL: you are trying to save some data before? |
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| 06:47.24 | KL | do i have to make the same as if i hadnt Ubuntu installed? |
| 06:47.24 | Wyzard | ankur: Nothing can turn a file on your hard drive into a removable flash drive |
| 06:47.37 | Nyle | KL: all you have to do is to put the netinstall debian cd in computer, turn it on, and boot from cd |
| 06:47.40 | KL | Nyle: ive already saved my ubuntu data |
| 06:47.44 | Nyle | KL: thats all |
| 06:47.49 | KL | ok |
| 06:47.53 | Wyzard | ankur: Are you just trying to use your flash drive in Linux? |
| 06:47.56 | Nyle | then follow the prompts on screen |
| 06:47.59 | simonrvn | i think s/he is worried about ~/ |
| 06:48.08 | Nyle | simonrvn: he said he baked it up |
| 06:48.09 | Nyle | bcked |
| 06:48.12 | Nyle | backed , fuck |
| 06:48.15 | Wyzard | ankur: i.e. you've put files on the flash drive with Windows, and now you want to access those files from Linux? |
| 06:48.17 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:48.21 | KL | Nyle:so in the partition part of the setup do i have to select the ubuntu ones and thats all? |
| 06:48.22 | Nyle | simonrvn: I'm about to 'bake' it up |
| 06:48.27 | Nyle | wink wink |
| 06:48.33 | simonrvn | oh, won't matter then ;). just stick it back on after the install ;) |
| 06:48.43 | Nyle | Guerin: word |
| 06:49.01 | ankur | wyzard: yes. actually its not written by me. Let me again try. when I connect the device to machine I get see the above file as a drive on windows machine. Now If I move some file to that device and then I want to access that in linux. |
| 06:49.02 | kriebel | KL: either delete the ubuntu partitions or re-use them at the same mount points |
| 06:49.12 | simonrvn | ankur: um, why not just insert the pen drive in an open usb port and fetch the files? |
| 06:49.20 | Nyle | KL: just use guided partition system |
| 06:49.24 | hologram | hi |
| 06:49.29 | Nyle | make a seperate /home parition |
| 06:49.34 | KL | Nyle: so, i dont need to format first, automatically Debian will write over? |
| 06:49.34 | Nyle | and a seperate / parition for system |
| 06:49.41 | Nyle | KL: just format |
| 06:50.02 | Nyle | KL: im sure you can figure it out |
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| 06:50.11 | kriebel | ankur, 32k isn't really big enough to put files onto. Are the directions you're following on a web site you can link to? |
| 06:50.27 | Wyzard | ankur: You mean that you have a 32MB flash drive, and when you plug it into your Windows system, it shows up in My Computer and you can put files on it |
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| 06:50.49 | Wyzard | kriebel: I miscounted -- 2k*16384 is 32MB |
| 06:50.53 | simonrvn | !fuck windows |
| 06:50.55 | ankur | wyzard: correct |
| 06:51.02 | kriebel | ha |
| 06:51.06 | Guerin | 32MB ... wtf |
| 06:51.08 | Wyzard | ankur: so your goal is to access your Flash drive in Linux |
| 06:51.10 | Nyle | don't tellme he wants to mount the usb stick in debian |
| 06:51.13 | simonrvn | dpkg is on the fritz / gone again |
| 06:51.21 | Nyle | omfg! |
| 06:51.22 | Wyzard | ankur: That file you made with dd is *not a flash drive* |
| 06:51.23 | ankur | wyzard: and that file is no one but the file I created using dd and followed by mkdosfs |
| 06:51.24 | kriebel | we just bought 8 1GB flash drives for under $100 |
| 06:51.34 | Nyle | kriebel: 1gb? |
| 06:51.36 | Nyle | thats nothing |
| 06:51.39 | Wyzard | ankur: It's just a useless file on your hard drive, and has absolutely nothing to do with your flash drive |
| 06:51.41 | simonrvn | hell, my mp3 player has more room than that (256 mb) |
| 06:52.01 | ankur | wyzard.: yes, now I want to access that useless file in linux |
| 06:52.15 | Nyle | I have a 500gb mp3 player in my car |
| 06:52.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:52.21 | Wyzard | ankur: It does not contain the file you put on the flash drive with Windows |
| 06:52.26 | Nyle | and I made it myself |
| 06:52.28 | Nyle | thank you very much |
| 06:52.31 | simonrvn | s,W,TW, |
| 06:52.33 | Wyzard | ankur: If you mount your 32MB file you just made, it will be empty |
| 06:52.38 | ankur | wyzard: so that I can get actual data I tranfered from windows machine |
| 06:52.44 | Nyle | simonrvn: ? |
| 06:52.54 | simonrvn | TWANG |
| 06:52.58 | Nyle | ok |
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| 06:53.24 | zero | Whee! |
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| 06:53.29 | zero | Looks like I fixed my server :P |
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| 06:54.01 | cTATUK | how can you view the version number of a package available in the aptitude repository? |
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| 06:54.11 | ankur | wyzard: I think you are clear what I mean. thanks |
| 06:54.15 | Wyzard | ankur: The files on your flash drive are on the flash drive... they are not in the useless file you made |
| 06:54.37 | Nyle | i took a 866mhz p3 with windows 98, winamp.exe as shell instead explorer, small keypad, plexiglass case with lots of holes to keep it cool, small nanoitx mobo, 500gb drive, 128mb ram, powered by AC converter in car by battery, takes 1:15 to fully boot up, can't see play lists, have to manually key in song # on keypad |
| 06:54.59 | Nyle | i've had it since 2000 |
| 06:55.07 | Nyle | just updgrade the hdd |
| 06:55.26 | simonrvn | neat |
| 06:55.28 | kriebel | windows 98 can see a 500GB hard drive? |
| 06:55.29 | ankur | wyzard: there is no flash drive. when I connect the device it shows the "dosfs" file as a new drive SIMILAR to flash drive. |
| 06:55.45 | Nyle | well its running xp now |
| 06:55.51 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 06:55.52 | Nyle | i started with 98 and 20gb |
| 06:55.55 | kriebel | what device are you speaking of then? |
| 06:56.00 | wols | Nyle: why windows of all thing? |
| 06:56.06 | Nyle | wols: i like winamp |
| 06:56.12 | Nyle | back then i wasn't heavily into linux multimedia |
| 06:56.15 | Wyzard | ankur: when you connect what device? |
| 06:56.31 | wols | still, I'm sure linux would runa lot better on that setup |
| 06:56.35 | zero | I was surprised to find my 1997 Gateway supports a 200 GB harddrive in the BIOS |
| 06:56.45 | wols | e.g. faster boot time, easire way to rig a display, etc |
| 06:57.09 | Nyle | wols: im sure, I never really thought about it, I just take out the hdd from time to time and update it |
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| 06:58.46 | zero | Why is it dpkg is packaged as a .deb? |
| 06:59.00 | Nyle | dpkg is also a package |
| 06:59.17 | zero | But it requires dpkg to unpackage it... |
| 06:59.18 | Nyle | first installed through udeb |
| 06:59.20 | simonrvn | zero: easy to unpack a deb without dpkg |
| 06:59.22 | wols | zero: how do you propose to update dpkg otherwise? |
| 06:59.30 | Nyle | zero: its an ar arhvie |
| 06:59.32 | Nyle | !deb |
| 06:59.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 06:59.33 | hologram | iu |
| 06:59.39 | Nyle | dpkg stupid bot |
| 06:59.40 | dpkg | no, stupid nyle |
| 06:59.44 | Nyle | dpkg damn bot |
| 06:59.48 | simonrvn | ar p some.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx |
| 06:59.49 | Nyle | heh |
| 07:00.02 | zero | Heh |
| 07:00.18 | ankur | wyzard: simply can you please guide me how to access the file that is created using "dd" command followed by mkdosfs. Thanks. |
| 07:00.18 | zero | Already extracted data.tar.gz and then tar xvzf -C / |
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| 07:00.45 | zero | Though if I would have known I could have done it via ar... would have saved me a hell of a lot of trouble |
| 07:00.49 | simonrvn | ok, so now you can run it, so you install it like normal |
| 07:00.57 | Wyzard | ankur: Run mkfs.vfat on it, then mount it with "-o loop" (and "-t vfat" if necessary, but it shouldn't be necessary) |
| 07:01.17 | ankur | wyzard: trying |
| 07:01.22 | simonrvn | Wyzard: you're fucking patient, good for you. seriously. |
| 07:01.33 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I'm going to bed soon |
| 07:01.55 | wols | Wyzard: stop making up impatient people look so bad! :P |
| 07:02.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:02.04 | kriebel | make sure vfat is in /proc/filesystems |
| 07:02.06 | Guerin | Wyzard is fucking a patient? Who knew he was a doctor? |
| 07:02.13 | Wyzard | lol |
| 07:02.18 | simonrvn | *groan* oh no |
| 07:02.29 | Guerin | thank you, I'll be here all week |
| 07:02.38 | streuner | omg |
| 07:02.41 | simonrvn | !kick Guerin |
| 07:02.56 | simonrvn | sowwy |
| 07:02.59 | streuner | Guerin: why is that? |
| 07:03.00 | ankur | wyzard: really you are great. and the ppl in the channel too. thanks for the patience. |
| 07:03.04 | Guerin | streuner: ? |
| 07:03.19 | streuner | Guerin: the whole week? |
| 07:03.27 | zero | :P |
| 07:03.29 | Wyzard | ankur: I still think what you're doing (or at least what I *think* you're trying to do) is nonsense |
| 07:03.32 | simonrvn | streuner: dude, it's an expression of sorts |
| 07:03.47 | Guerin | streuner: it's a form statement which means `i'm pretending to be a stand-up comedian' |
| 07:03.58 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 07:04.03 | ankur | wyzard: Thats the thing that is documented that comes with the applicatoin. |
| 07:04.04 | Wyzard | ankur: but you can make an empty 32MB filesystem and mount it if you really want to |
| 07:04.06 | simonrvn | that's what it's called |
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| 07:04.47 | Wyzard | ankur: You keep talking about "the USB application" and "the device", but you haven't said what this application is, and you've said there's no flash drive so I don't know what the device is either |
| 07:04.51 | simonrvn | we actually had snow last coupla days |
| 07:05.20 | simonrvn | not sticking though. typical of this climate change crap :( |
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| 07:05.52 | streuner | really, in canada, amazing :-P |
| 07:05.55 | ankur | wyzard : can you please try the above command and see if you get any success in mounting that dosfs file |
| 07:06.01 | Wyzard | ankur: Is it some sort of flash-drive emulator that connects to one computer as a USB storage device, but actually gets its "contents" from a file on another computer? |
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| 07:06.15 | streuner | simonrvn: snow in .ca, isnt that normal? :-P |
| 07:06.27 | simonrvn | streuner: it not sticking around isn't |
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| 07:06.41 | Wyzard | ankur: yes, it works for me |
| 07:06.43 | ankur | wyzard: thats correct. Its a normal linux machine. |
| 07:06.51 | PythonNinja | where do i tell startx what wm to start? |
| 07:06.57 | Wyzard | ankur: but you're running sarge, which is outdated |
| 07:07.05 | streuner | PythonNinja: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 07:07.24 | Wyzard | ankur: Is "vfat" and/or "msdos" listed in /proc/filesystems? |
| 07:07.38 | Wyzard | ankur: You might need to load the driver -- modprobe vfat |
| 07:07.58 | DeZ_666 | Wyzard: ..is /usr/local/bin supposed to be a binary..? |
| 07:08.08 | Wyzard | DeZ_666: No, it's a directory |
| 07:08.12 | DeZ_666 | fsck XD |
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| 07:08.46 | Wyzard | ankur: Or, if the contents of your file show up as a USB storage device connected to another computer, you could just make the file full of zeros, and format it as an ordinary flash drive from the other computer |
| 07:09.03 | ankur | wyzard: wow..man it worked great |
| 07:09.11 | ankur | I guess the module was not loaded |
| 07:09.17 | PythonNinja | streuner: thanks :) |
| 07:09.19 | streuner | simonrvn: be prepared, in a few years you need ac (wintertime) there ;-) |
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| 07:09.28 | dalias | dez_666, .... |
| 07:09.33 | simonrvn | DeZ_666: run --help as an option on it, it might tell you what it is |
| 07:09.52 | dalias | are you still hosing your debian with binary tarballs from some hardware manufacturer's website? |
| 07:09.54 | ankur | wyzard: really cool man.. Heartly best wishes..really thanks to all. |
| 07:10.04 | simonrvn | streuner: i sure hope not. and global mean temp. isn't going to get that high anyway |
| 07:10.06 | dalias | DO NOT do that |
| 07:10.25 | DeZ_666 | dalias: im attemtping to use the linux version of a tokenizer for my microprocessor |
| 07:11.06 | dalias | wtf |
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| 07:11.29 | ampex | Barring performance, is it still a bad idea to do RAID 1 on two disks attached to a single IDE channel? |
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| 07:12.15 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
| 07:12.23 | darkbahamut | nvz: hey o.O |
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| 07:12.40 | Wyzard | ampex: probably... if one disk dies, the controller is likely to get confused so the system can't talk to the other disk either |
| 07:13.10 | up365 | darkbahamut, hi got that sound issue resolved ? |
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| 07:13.13 | dalias | that happens to me with scsi too... |
| 07:13.21 | darkbahamut | up365: not yet |
| 07:13.22 | ampex | Wyzard: even on modern chipsets? |
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| 07:13.42 | dalias | i dropped scsi because the linux support is so bad |
| 07:13.43 | Wyzard | ampex: I haven't tried it, but my intuition says probably |
| 07:13.54 | kriebel | at this point, PATA and Modern chipset don't go together |
| 07:13.57 | dalias | one problem on the bus and the whole machine crashes |
| 07:14.00 | streuner | dalias: heh, fuck |
| 07:14.05 | darkbahamut | up365: what was your problem again? |
| 07:14.08 | Wyzard | ampex: Two drives sharing a cable have to cooperate with each other, and if one is dead, it won't be cooperating |
| 07:14.10 | pumpkin- | how can I list how much space packages use up using dpkg? |
| 07:14.17 | dalias | that was with 2.4.. maybe it's better now |
| 07:14.18 | streuner | SCSI is well supported in Unix |
| 07:14.19 | pumpkin- | the ones I have installed |
| 07:14.30 | dalias | streuner, which unix? |
| 07:14.41 | kriebel | it's possible that the flakey drive will steal the bus, no matter what, and the mobo can't do anything about it |
| 07:14.44 | kriebel | welcome to ATA |
| 07:14.46 | dalias | unix has many meanings |
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| 07:14.56 | up365 | darkbahamut, sys sounds didn't work until today and I don't know what I did or why |
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| 07:15.17 | streuner | dalias: maybe one or another driver isnt, but bascially well supported |
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| 07:15.23 | darkbahamut | up365: what is it you wanna do play music? |
| 07:15.34 | pumpkin- | anyone have any idea? dpkg --list will only tell me which ones |
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| 07:15.56 | Rickywh | how do i know if i'm identified with nickserv? |
| 07:16.04 | PythonNinja | Rickywh: whois yourself |
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| 07:16.11 | streuner | Rickywh: /msg dpkg nickserv help |
| 07:16.11 | PythonNinja | now how is that relelvenat to #debian? |
| 07:16.19 | kriebel | I've never had too much trouble with scsi, but I did have a machine crash when / filled with errors from the scsi driver after a cable broke off the chain |
| 07:16.26 | PythonNinja | streuner: message that to dpkg....? |
| 07:16.40 | Rickywh | PythonNinja, what part of the whois do i pay attention to? |
| 07:16.52 | up365 | darkbahamut, all my sounds work, only the beeps,clinks and siren in sys sound didn't but now they do |
| 07:16.52 | streuner | oh, no, /msg nickserv help, of course :-) |
| 07:17.06 | darkbahamut | up365: o |
| 07:17.14 | darkbahamut | up365: nothing from mine works |
| 07:17.15 | simonrvn | "is identified to services" |
| 07:17.39 | darkbahamut | up365: i can play music with mplayer and xmms but thats all |
| 07:17.44 | PythonNinja | Rickywh: pm |
| 07:17.45 | epsilon | I have scsi on my etch desktop, it's nice |
| 07:17.49 | up365 | darkbahamut, best to check ebay for a sound blaster they're cheap |
| 07:17.51 | darkbahamut | up365: no sound in internet and no system sounds at all |
| 07:17.57 | epsilon | small but fast |
| 07:18.12 | darkbahamut | up365: i cant afford one right now |
| 07:18.22 | kriebel | ah, it feels like college again. To bed at 2:30 |
| 07:18.26 | darkbahamut | up365: wont be able to for about 6 months |
| 07:18.33 | kriebel | good night all; good night Wyzard |
| 07:18.38 | Wyzard | goodnight |
| 07:18.40 | up365 | darkbahamut, :( sorry man that sucks |
| 07:18.42 | streuner | darkbahamut: system sound? do you mean this crappy noises when you open or switch a window in your browser? |
| 07:19.16 | streuner | that all belong to ARTS or ESD... |
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| 07:19.21 | darkbahamut | streuner: crappy noises when i try to play sound in my browser |
| 07:19.31 | darkbahamut | streuner: system sounds dont work at all |
| 07:19.34 | streuner | which file do you want play? |
| 07:19.56 | streuner | oh, thats good â„¢ |
| 07:20.16 | darkbahamut | streuner: well.. i watch videos mostly |
| 07:20.24 | darkbahamut | streuner: and not even that works |
| 07:20.25 | streuner | youtube? |
| 07:20.38 | darkbahamut | streuner: youtube sux =p |
| 07:20.51 | streuner | what kind of file(s) then? |
| 07:20.54 | darkbahamut | metacafe |
| 07:20.55 | up365 | darkbahamut, I 2nd that |
| 07:21.02 | darkbahamut | veoh |
| 07:21.22 | darkbahamut | other video sites |
| 07:21.43 | streuner | darkbahamut: does youtube work for you? |
| 07:21.55 | darkbahamut | streuner: i havent checked yet |
| 07:22.02 | darkbahamut | streuner: ill check now |
| 07:22.13 | streuner | darkbahamut: http://youtube.com/watch?v=blU-ME0KBog |
| 07:22.18 | streuner | check out! :-) |
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| 07:22.53 | darkbahamut | streuner: crappy sounds now |
| 07:23.02 | darkbahamut | streuner: and video dosent play |
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| 07:23.17 | streuner | you need flash then |
| 07:23.29 | darkbahamut | streuner: i got flash |
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| 07:24.21 | darkbahamut | streuner: now my system monitor dosent work |
| 07:24.21 | streuner | darkbahamut: dpkg -l | grep flash |
| 07:24.46 | darkbahamut | i closed iceweasel and i still hear the sound |
| 07:25.14 | darkbahamut | ii flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.31.0.1 Adobe Flash Player plugin installer |
| 07:25.17 | darkbahamut | ii libflashsupport 1.0~2219-1 <insert up to 60 chars description> |
| 07:25.46 | wols | !info libflashsupport |
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| 07:26.16 | streuner | wth is libflashsupport? |
| 07:26.35 | darkbahamut | streuner: i was trying it out i seen it on a forum |
| 07:26.47 | darkbahamut | streuner: some say it helped |
| 07:26.59 | darkbahamut | streuner: with the no sound in flash |
| 07:27.02 | streuner | Dont tell us you installed a deb third hand |
| 07:27.04 | wols | darkbahamut: do you click on random email attachments too? |
| 07:27.18 | darkbahamut | wols: no |
| 07:27.25 | wols | I don't believe you |
| 07:27.35 | wols | after all you install random shit from forums too |
| 07:27.44 | wols | do you still have the .deb or the forum link? |
| 07:27.46 | darkbahamut | wols: i just thought i would try it to see if it would work |
| 07:28.00 | darkbahamut | ill check |
| 07:28.28 | stew | < streuner> wth is libflashsupport? |
| 07:28.31 | stew | streuner: its <insert up to 60 chars description> |
| 07:28.43 | stew | obviously |
| 07:28.47 | streuner | stew: yeah, that makes all sense ;-) |
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| 07:29.13 | darkbahamut | brb iceweasel is not working |
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| 07:30.00 | netgear | can anyone help me with kernel compiling? |
| 07:30.12 | osmosis | well... installed phpmyadmin but im not getting it at http://localhost/phpmyadmin . I checked and /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf exists. Not sure what to do. |
| 07:30.13 | wols | netgear: ask a real, specific question |
| 07:30.26 | Zippy2 | you better make sure phpmyadmin is new because theres some hacker stuff with it |
| 07:30.27 | Zippy2 | bbl |
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| 07:31.00 | netgear | wols, i need to compile a kernel with modules usb_serial_option and usb_serial included |
| 07:31.07 | netgear | to be able to get my 3g card working |
| 07:31.17 | stew | osmosis: read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian if you haven't already |
| 07:31.34 | netgear | i have never compiled a kernel before |
| 07:31.42 | wols | !tell netgear about kp |
| 07:32.15 | stew | netgear: do you know which kernel config options those are? (something like CONFIG_USB_SERIAL?) |
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| 07:33.13 | stew | netgear: becuase i'd be suprised if the debian kernels don't already have the options you need included |
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| 07:33.45 | netgear | well i hear they are supposed to be included |
| 07:33.48 | darkbahamut | streuner: heres where i seen it http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/configure-sound-in-iceweasel-561599/ |
| 07:34.06 | netgear | how do i see if its included - when using modprobe usb_serial i get a error |
| 07:34.18 | AmEn | su |
| 07:34.22 | stew | netgear: for instance, "grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL /boot/config-$(uname -r)" would tell you which options are enabled in your current kernel |
| 07:34.22 | netgear | as well as for usb_serial_option |
| 07:34.31 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone explain this? http://www.pastebin.ca/792239 |
| 07:34.34 | stew | netgear: what error do you get? |
| 07:34.53 | netgear | cant remember i have to reboot each time to windows to have internet access |
| 07:35.07 | netgear | i will log it next time , something about FATAL |
| 07:35.19 | osmosis | stew: that did the trick. Thanks. |
| 07:35.44 | mrrcp | :) |
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| 07:36.06 | wols | darkbahamut: did the newer kernel work out your acpi problems? |
| 07:36.12 | wols | darkbahamut: do you have sound at all working? |
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| 07:36.15 | darkbahamut | wols: nope |
| 07:36.21 | darkbahamut | wols: well |
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| 07:36.35 | darkbahamut | wols: i can play sound only with xmms and mplayer |
| 07:36.52 | PiousMinion | How would a non-privileged user find out what release of debian the system is running? |
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| 07:37.08 | wols | start iceweasel from an xterm, go to a flash page. check the xterm for any errors iceweasel or the flashplugin spit out |
| 07:37.15 | wols | !version |
| 07:37.15 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 07:37.25 | stew | PiousMinion: compare the version reported by "dpkg -l libc6" to available versions here: http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 07:37.34 | wols | PiousMinion: all of them work as normal user |
| 07:37.45 | darkbahamut | wols: xterm? |
| 07:37.59 | wols | darkbahamut: the X terminal app you use |
| 07:38.09 | darkbahamut | wols: o |
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| 07:38.49 | streuner | darkbahamut: according to the description you need that only if you esound AND wanna use "Pulseradio"... |
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| 07:38.58 | streuner | darkbahamut: use* |
| 07:40.31 | streuner | darkbahamut: ps aux | grep esd, if there isnt a output just remove that package |
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| 07:42.57 | darkbahamut | streuner: theres an output yes |
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| 07:43.10 | streuner | show us in paste.debian.net |
| 07:43.19 | streuner | oh, thats becoming better and better |
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| 07:43.43 | darkbahamut | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/43056 |
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| 07:44.23 | streuner | remove the whole ESD crap |
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| 07:44.35 | stew | that 1000 instead of a username is a bit ominous |
| 07:44.40 | streuner | no wonder sound doesnt work good for you |
| 07:45.17 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me why the networking GUI sees a 'eth9' and isnt using eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:45.52 | Zippy2 | hal |
| 07:46.09 | darkbahamut | streuner: it wasent working and i just heard that it may work |
| 07:46.24 | stew | DeZ_666: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 07:46.39 | darkbahamut | streuner: umm what esd crap? |
| 07:46.46 | streuner | !esd |
| 07:46.47 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 07:47.08 | stew | darkbahamut: what does "getent passwd 1000" return? your user? nothing? |
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| 07:47.40 | darkbahamut | streuner: darkbahamut:x:1000:1000:DarkBahamut,,,:/home/darkbahamut:/bin/bash |
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| 07:48.02 | stew | i wonder why "ps aux" was listing 1000 instead of darkbahamut |
| 07:48.14 | streuner | .oO |
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| 07:49.08 | DeZ_666 | thanks stew |
| 07:49.12 | darkbahamut | streuner: hmm i dont remember installing the esd |
| 07:49.12 | DeZ_666 | i think ive fixed it now |
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| 07:49.39 | streuner | darkbahamut: ESD usually comes with GNOME... |
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| 07:50.34 | darkbahamut | streuner: i should take out the libflashsupport right? |
| 07:50.51 | distatica | I am using debian testing (case that is important). Under apt the gnome version is listed as 1:2.14.3.6 What is the one? Is that the primary version number or is that gnome 2? |
| 07:50.51 | streuner | no, just re-install, backup important data first |
| 07:51.11 | streuner | !d-i darkbahamut |
| 07:51.12 | dpkg | darkbahamut, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:52.07 | darkbahamut | streuner: re-install debian? |
| 07:52.12 | streuner | yes |
| 07:52.14 | wols | streuner: why? |
| 07:52.30 | darkbahamut | streuner: hmm dosent sound too bad |
| 07:52.41 | stew | !info gnome-session testing |
| 07:53.17 | darkbahamut | streuner: should i download 64 bit this time? |
| 07:53.32 | streuner | wols: we want a clean Debian system first and no third party debs installed and wonder why ESD or something else running |
| 07:53.35 | stew | distatica: the 1: is the "epoch" an epoch is introduced into the debian version numbers when the upstream version numbers are discontinuous |
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| 07:53.55 | streuner | darkbahamut: what kind of CPU do you have? |
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| 07:54.43 | darkbahamut | amd 64 |
| 07:54.48 | darkbahamut | streuner: dual core |
| 07:54.50 | distatica | stew: I'm not sure exactly what you mean (although I do understand it's not the primary version, so it's gnome 2) |
| 07:55.00 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 543 kB, Installed size: 2680 kB |
| 07:55.02 | stew | distatica: say for instance, some application that debian was packaging used to use version numbers like "20071118", and then, for some reason, switched to "1.0" debian would call the 1.0 release "1:1.0" to introduce a "new epoch" so that the packaging system would know that "1:1.0 > 20071118" |
| 07:55.15 | distatica | ahhh |
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| 07:55.39 | distatica | ok, that's really cool to know, thank you. |
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| 07:56.17 | Internat | so anyone here setup dns-dhcp for home? ie so any computer on ur home network that joins, automaticly gets registered with bind or something running on one of the local computers? |
| 07:56.35 | darkbahamut | streuner: i have AMD 64 x2 but i was recommended this time to get i386 version |
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| 07:56.46 | AmEn | hehe |
| 07:56.51 | streuner | darkbahamut: i have no idea about AMD64 at all, but read this first: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 07:57.04 | stew | !info gnome sarge |
| 07:57.15 | streuner | darkbahamut: plus this /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 07:58.38 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sarge), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 07:58.47 | stew | distatica: as you can see, the version in debian "oldstable" is 64, so when they switch from using a number like "64" to a number like 2.14, they needed to use an epoch, since, otherwise, debian would think 2.14 was older becuase 2 < 64. |
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| 08:01.29 | netgear | wols, i have done modprobe on usb_serial and usb_serial_option and both come back no found, so i think its safe to say theyre not installed? |
| 08:01.45 | distatica | stew: that makes perfect sense |
| 08:02.22 | stew | netgear: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 08:02.33 | distatica | funny how the package size is so small, but with the extra libraries, it's going to use up just under a gig, heh. |
| 08:02.36 | th0rv4ld | I want to write a script that will allow me to search wikipedia... Something along the lines of opening a terminal and typing wikisearch <search params>. I just don't know how. Is there anyone that can help? |
| 08:02.42 | distatica | libraries, programs, etc. |
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| 08:02.51 | netgear | i have to reboot for that again - its debian 4.0 r1 i386 |
| 08:03.22 | netgear | can you gather from that what kernel would have been installed? |
| 08:03.24 | distatica | th0rv4ld: first you should definitely check that wikipedia doesn't have an existing tool, and that they don't have an api for accessing (I think they do) the site through some means. |
| 08:03.36 | netgear | or do i need to reboot? |
| 08:03.38 | stew | distatica: that package is just a meta-package which exist to depend on other packages, it doesn't itself contain any of gnome (run "dpkg -L gnome" to see what files are in the package named |
| 08:03.43 | stew | "gnome") |
| 08:04.11 | stew | th0rv4ld: ask #wikipedia |
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| 08:04.39 | stew | i agree that such a tool probably exists |
| 08:05.29 | distatica | And you can't just go scrapping websites, well.. I guess you can, I just don't think you can distribute it as a program. Some places that's against the site license. |
| 08:05.33 | distatica | Like google. |
| 08:05.56 | th0rv4ld | Search engines are not illegal, last time I checked... |
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| 08:06.08 | darkbahamut | wols: i think i should get amd-64 this time |
| 08:06.18 | tralala | th0rv4ld, I get it you're a lawyer? |
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| 08:06.32 | distatica | Google does not release a program to spider peoples sites. |
| 08:06.34 | stew | netgear: i think you need to load a particular usb serial driver. "/sbin/modprobe -l | grep usb/serial" would list a bunch |
| 08:06.37 | th0rv4ld | tralala: No. It's common fucking sense. |
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| 08:06.40 | wols | darkbahamut: your choice. but keep in mind you will get more problems with flash, java plugin, acrobat plugin |
| 08:06.48 | wols | apart from this you should be fine |
| 08:06.56 | distatica | But I do know that google itself has an API license, which you must obtain to legally access the API. And that writing a program that access google directly is illegal. |
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| 08:06.57 | tralala | th0rv4ld, that doesn't apply to law |
| 08:06.58 | th0rv4ld | tralala: Otherwise I could sue google for putting my site in their list of search results. |
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| 08:07.02 | darkbahamut | wols: wols ouch.. umm |
| 08:07.17 | darkbahamut | wols: so i should go with i386? |
| 08:07.40 | stew | th0rv4ld: of course you could sue google for putting your site in their list. |
| 08:07.43 | wols | distatica: they are not illegal |
| 08:07.48 | stew | but this is the wrong channel for such discussions |
| 08:07.50 | th0rv4ld | distatica: How do you explain dogpile? |
| 08:08.04 | darkbahamut | wols: i think i remember hearing amd-64 has flash problems |
| 08:08.28 | distatica | well, I would like to continue this, but stew is right. sorry. |
| 08:08.31 | wols | darkbahamut: there are no 64bit plugins of proprietary software (flash, java, etc) yet basically |
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| 08:08.39 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me how to get my machine to use NetBIOS names? |
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| 08:08.55 | wols | DeZ_666: use them for what? |
| 08:09.07 | darkbahamut | wols: ok.. i386 it is.. do you think i should go with netinst CD image or full dvd image? |
| 08:09.14 | wols | netinst |
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| 08:10.05 | th0rv4ld | heh... I might be able to modify a karamba widget and use it as a python script. |
| 08:10.19 | DeZ_666 | wols: i have netinst |
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| 08:10.59 | stew | th0rv4ld: i'd recommend checking with #wikipedia if such a tool exists. they already have some cool tools, like stuff that lets you simulate a svn checkout of a wiki page so that you can locally edit it and check it back in |
| 08:11.26 | darkbahamut | wols: ok i dont have to download anything since i burned it for this install |
| 08:11.35 | th0rv4ld | stew: Wikipedia's list of tools leaves a lot to be desired. |
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| 08:11.57 | darkbahamut | wols: what will happen to the boot menu? |
| 08:12.21 | wols | darkbahamut: you reinstall grub and it will be overwritten |
| 08:12.26 | stew | th0rv4ld: apt-cache show wikipediafs |
| 08:12.34 | darkbahamut | wols: ok |
| 08:12.42 | darkbahamut | wols: ill be back in a bit then |
| 08:12.44 | stew | th0rv4ld: that would theoretically let you use grep without writing code |
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| 08:13.20 | th0rv4ld | stew: grepping wikipedia would return every instance of the search terms. |
| 08:13.32 | stew | th0rv4ld: yes. |
| 08:13.42 | DeZ_666 | lol grep'ing wikipedia |
| 08:14.02 | th0rv4ld | stew: What if I'm looking up the who? That would bring up thousands of articles containing the words the and who. |
| 08:14.30 | stew | th0rv4ld: what do you want instead? |
| 08:15.36 | th0rv4ld | stew: imagine a combination of aptitude and wikipedia's search function. |
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| 08:16.00 | stew | th0rv4ld: i don't understand what aptitude has to do with the |
| 08:16.01 | stew | this |
| 08:16.03 | th0rv4ld | stew: Wherein I could use a switch to either search or bring back the article I'm looking for in plain text. |
| 08:16.22 | th0rv4ld | If it searched, it would list articles with those terms like apt lists packages. |
| 08:16.24 | stew | th0rv4ld: and how does wikipediafs not let you do exactly that? |
| 08:17.29 | th0rv4ld | stew: Because wikipediafs is not what I'm looking for. It retrieves them as plain text with the coding included. |
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| 08:17.47 | th0rv4ld | I don't want links to have [[]] on them. |
| 08:18.19 | stew | th0rv4ld: you want links instead to have <a href='...'> ? |
| 08:18.19 | th0rv4ld | etc. |
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| 08:18.26 | th0rv4ld | I don't want links. |
| 08:18.29 | th0rv4ld | Plain text. |
| 08:18.53 | th0rv4ld | This is what I want: wikisearch foo |
| 08:18.58 | th0rv4ld | wikipedia article foo |
| 08:19.01 | th0rv4ld | that's it. |
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| 08:19.13 | th0rv4ld | In a terminal. |
| 08:19.15 | th0rv4ld | No other programs. |
| 08:19.28 | th0rv4ld | I want it to bring up wikipedia articles in plain text like a man page |
| 08:19.52 | th0rv4ld | Without the formatting or links. |
| 08:20.24 | stew | th0rv4ld: well, #wikipedia is the place to ask. not here |
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| 08:22.51 | nitrium | there was a utility which locks the shell for a later use. |
| 08:22.59 | nitrium | i could not remember the name.. |
| 08:23.21 | stew | nitrium: vlock? |
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| 08:24.38 | pythonic | hi! any recommendations for a domain name server? |
| 08:24.46 | stew | pythonic: ask your isp |
| 08:25.23 | pythonic | i mean software to run.. |
| 08:25.27 | solar_sea | pythonic, as a software package or as a service provider ?:) |
| 08:25.41 | pythonic | is bind still a liability? |
| 08:25.44 | wols | pythonic: what kind of network, why use a DNS server? |
| 08:26.01 | wols | running one's own doamin server usually is |
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| 08:27.06 | th0rv4ld | #wikipedia is useless. :( |
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| 08:31.51 | HardDisk_WP | hk |
| 08:31.55 | HardDisk_WP | eh, hi |
| 08:32.05 | HardDisk_WP | in Mencoder, I normally rip DVDs via mencoder dvd://2 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vpass=1 -oac copy -o /dev/null -alang de |
| 08:32.15 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make the command work with ISO? |
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| 08:32.28 | freepenguin | hello |
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| 08:34.36 | th0rv4ld | Hooray for nerds! |
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| 08:37.01 | Caelum | does squid do ftp proxying? |
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| 08:38.55 | nitrium | stew: thanks for vlock.. that is it. |
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| 08:42.51 | iguanna | hi all, how can i log in wiht my username and my password using a command only? for example, something like: su postgres password 123456 |
| 08:43.13 | iguanna | but it goes wrong |
| 08:44.26 | tralala | iguanna, using command line for passwords is insecure and therefore intentionally not supported by su and other command line tools |
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| 08:45.54 | iguanna | uhm, so how do i make to log in with a specific user from script? |
| 08:46.19 | iguanna | without to have to insert my password? |
| 08:46.48 | iguanna | don't having to insert my password :) |
| 08:47.01 | dalias | you don't |
| 08:47.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | iguanna, why do you want to? |
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| 08:48.04 | tralala | iguanna, you can configure sudo to execute commands as another user without asking for a password |
| 08:48.40 | iguanna | because i want to start my postgres server when my computer starts, so i am trying to make a script into /etc/init.d that execute a command to start my postgres server, but this command have to be launched with a specific user. |
| 08:49.14 | tralala | debian doesn't have a postgres init script?! Unlikely |
| 08:49.16 | fengor | suid bit maybe? |
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| 08:49.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | tralala, i go so far as impossible ;) |
| 08:49.34 | adrakoa` | hi |
| 08:49.50 | tralala | Kamping_Kaiser, :) |
| 08:50.15 | adrakoa` | why i receive a code 554 from smtp server? |
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| 08:51.48 | iguanna | tralala: but i can create my own postgres init script, can i? |
| 08:52.11 | fengor | adrakoa`: http://www.supermailer.de/smtp_reply_codes.htm |
| 08:52.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | iguanna, yes you can. it just seems odd |
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| 08:52.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | iguanna, did you build from source or something? |
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| 08:52.54 | RYsh | because it sends it to you hehe |
| 08:53.04 | adrakoa` | :) |
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| 08:53.16 | tralala | iguanna, are you running debian? |
| 08:53.19 | iguanna | which? postgres or my script? |
| 08:53.24 | adrakoa` | fengor i search solution ... thx |
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| 08:53.37 | iguanna | yes |
| 08:53.48 | iguanna | debian sarge |
| 08:53.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | upgrade :| |
| 08:53.58 | tralala | so what's wrong with the debian init script? |
| 08:54.15 | fengor | adrakoa`: then learn to phrase your questions correctly ;p |
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| 08:54.49 | iguanna | tratala: the wrong is that i am lost, and i need your help, where is the debian init script? |
| 08:54.50 | adrakoa` | a fast solution :p |
| 08:54.53 | fengor | our crystal balls are clouded, the runes clattered and dont get me started on the mess with animal insides ;p |
| 08:55.09 | tralala | iguanna, in /etc/init.d |
| 08:55.24 | iguanna | tratala: i only need to launch 'pg_ctl start' with a specific user automatically |
| 08:55.32 | iguanna | ok, i know |
| 08:55.44 | fengor | adrakoa`: how are we supposed to know why your transaction with the smtp server fails? did you check the logs? are there any other information besides the return code? what did you try to remedy the problem already? |
| 08:55.58 | tralala | all you need is /etc/init.d/postgres start |
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| 08:56.23 | iguanna | umm, i gonna see |
| 08:56.49 | fengor | adrakoa`: and most of all what smtp software are you using? sendmail, exim, postfix,... |
| 08:58.18 | iguanna | tratala: So i have to create a file named postgresql into /etc/init.d/ like here:http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-write-sys-v-init-script-to-start-stop-service.html ?? |
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| 08:58.43 | tralala | no, you're supposed to have one created for you by debian |
| 08:59.06 | tralala | provided that you've installed the debian postgres package |
| 08:59.10 | aarcane | Hi, how do I enable tv-out by nvidia in totem movie player in the default gnome desktop in cid ? |
| 08:59.14 | iguanna | no, i don't have |
| 08:59.22 | iguanna | i installed from source |
| 08:59.50 | tralala | install again, from debian source |
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| 08:59.56 | tralala | iguanna, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 09:00.59 | tralala | or even better upgrade if you can |
| 09:01.14 | tralala | (to etch) |
| 09:01.23 | eljo__ | i'm slightly lost here - i have a mail (exim4) server that has a few local accounts (3 or so) and some 50 more that should be forwarded to another machine - any pointers? |
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| 09:01.25 | iguanna | i will, but now don't |
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| 09:02.11 | ddalton | how do I scrol the terminal? |
| 09:02.18 | ddalton | so I see the start of the output? |
| 09:02.22 | tralala | shift+pgup |
| 09:02.30 | fengor | page up pagedown + shift? |
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| 09:02.53 | tralala | only works if you haven't switched the terminal yet |
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| 09:03.05 | tralala | (in console) |
| 09:03.14 | RYsh | is there any lightweight proxy server for linux? Squid is too complex for my tasks |
| 09:03.32 | tralala | RYsh, wwwoffle |
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| 09:04.02 | RYsh | tralala, ok, I'll look to it |
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| 09:05.06 | aarcane | does anyone have TV-out working in Totem |
| 09:05.07 | aarcane | ? |
| 09:05.28 | debianfreak | hey peeps... quick question... what's the best way to print n characters in a string, for instance 80 dashes, without typing them out or using a loop? e.g. a=something <- where something gives me 80 dashes :) is there a better way than printf %.0s- {1..80} ? |
| 09:06.16 | RYsh | tralala, and what about icap support? |
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| 09:06.17 | tralala | no idea |
| 09:06.39 | RYsh | ok, thanx |
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| 09:26.02 | Sarefo | hi, i upgraded from etch to lenny, and all went well, but my apache2 cannot be reached over http now. any idea what i need to change? |
| 09:26.14 | Sarefo | i kept the original configs btw |
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| 09:28.01 | Sarefo | it says the requested url / was not found on the server. |
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| 09:28.20 | kanaldrache | Moin! |
| 09:28.52 | kanaldrache | I use dpkg-divert in on of my preinst scripts to overwrite a init.d script |
| 09:29.01 | Anubis_be | hey anyone here who has experiance with 3ware controllers? |
| 09:29.34 | kanaldrache | Naturally dh_installinit writes an entry in conffiles ... so my init.d file is not removed after deinstalling and the dpkg-divert in the postrm fails |
| 09:29.40 | kanaldrache | Anubis_be: A little bit |
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| 09:31.32 | Sarefo | how do i find out which apache version etch uses (if i have lenny on my system)? |
| 09:31.53 | Vasistha | Sarefo: check d.p.o |
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| 09:32.33 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 09:33.14 | Anubis_be | kanaldrache you had performance issues with it? |
| 09:33.50 | kanaldrache | Not till now |
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| 09:35.37 | darkbahamut | streuner: back :D |
| 09:36.47 | darkbahamut | wols: back :D |
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| 09:39.05 | solar__ | hi all |
| 09:39.08 | solar__ | i get this erro |
| 09:39.09 | solar__ | Nov 21 15:15:02 localhost postfix/smtp[21394]: warning: TLS library problem: 21394:error:2006D080:BIO routines:BIO_new_file:no such file:bss_file.c:125: |
| 09:39.18 | solar__ | any idea on what package is missing ? |
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| 09:42.07 | biz | whats the preferred way to customize xkb's keyboard mappings and is there a way to load a new xkb layout on the fly? |
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| 09:43.59 | cemc | i've set HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash to have a large .bash_history, but still it gets truncated. any idea on how i should set this up ? |
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| 09:52.02 | tralala | biz, setxkbmap -layout |
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| 09:52.17 | patrick-- | does anyone here know the Red5 Server ? |
| 09:52.18 | tralala | be sure to look for examples before shooting it |
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| 10:03.49 | netgear | how does one include modules when creating a custom kernel? |
| 10:05.10 | biz | tralala, thanks |
| 10:05.53 | biz | netgear, M is module and * (press y in menuconfig) is built-in |
| 10:06.43 | netgear | ok ive read some pages on kernel compiling, most pages have conflicting information |
| 10:07.00 | netgear | most people say my kernel should have the modules i need allready included |
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| 10:07.33 | biz | if you use a stock debian kernel, this should be true on common hardware |
| 10:07.37 | netgear | but when i modprobe the modules i get "FATAL: Module usb_serial_option not found |
| 10:07.52 | netgear | stock meaning standard? |
| 10:08.03 | biz | yes the packaged ones |
| 10:08.11 | netgear | ok |
| 10:08.24 | netgear | but the reply i get from modprobe does mean it is not installed right? |
| 10:08.44 | biz | zgrep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL /proc/config.gz |
| 10:09.20 | netgear | mmm, ok i need to reboot to see that, i dont have internet in linux yet |
| 10:09.44 | biz | and the modules are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 10:09.57 | dimir | And it might be you don't have /proc/config.gz |
| 10:10.30 | dimir | You might also get away with grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 10:10.30 | biz | if its a debian kernel, there should be at least /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 10:10.39 | dimir | :-P |
| 10:10.45 | biz | :-) |
| 10:11.10 | netgear | yes i did that a while ago and got a list |
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| 10:11.53 | netgear | if i remember correctly there was =m next to the ones i need |
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| 10:13.15 | netgear | biz, if i do that line, what am i supposed to be looking for |
| 10:13.24 | biz | netgear, then you just made a typing error. cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and search for the matching module, insmod the filename or modprobe the filename without .ko |
| 10:13.32 | SpeedyG | hey, does anyone know a good app to synchronise my windows mobile2K3 pda with linux ? |
| 10:14.05 | biz | netgear, just run grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL /boot/config-$(uname -r) like dimir said |
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| 10:14.47 | biz | if its =m there is a module, it does not have to have the same name as the config option |
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| 10:15.44 | netgear | ok, but i still dont see what i need to do with that output/what to look for |
| 10:16.36 | netgear | note: im new to linux so keep is simple for me please |
| 10:16.48 | biz | netgear, 1. grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 10:17.07 | biz | netgear, 2. does it return CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=m ? |
| 10:17.41 | hraesvelgr | hi there, I have a little question, when I need to set hdparm parameters like hdparm -S 253 /dev/hdx, how to set them every time I start my computer please? |
| 10:17.42 | netgear | and then, remember i have to reboot to do that and come back |
| 10:18.17 | citral | hraesvelgr: have a look at /etc/hdparm.conf |
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| 10:18.30 | citral | hraesvelgr: other said, put it in there |
| 10:18.38 | ttl- | greetings |
| 10:18.42 | hraesvelgr | citral, yes I have seen, but there is all commented by # |
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| 10:18.56 | ttl- | i'm having some locale troubles |
| 10:19.10 | biz | netgear, iy yes, cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) and search for the matching module name, modprobe the module filename without .ko |
| 10:19.21 | hraesvelgr | citral, and I dont know why, but my hard drive has been spinning down every ten minutes, there is everything commented in this file, have I add sthing? or uncomment? |
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| 10:19.30 | ttl- | is there a en_BE locale somewhere ? |
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| 10:20.02 | hraesvelgr | citral, yes, I will do, this will work? i have seen in one phorum that people makes some bootup scripts and link them into /etc/rc.... |
| 10:20.04 | citral | hraesvelgr: they are commented beacause it's only examples, make your own line according with what you see in it |
| 10:20.40 | ttl- | i want the dialog and messages in english but need to set papersize to A4 and stuff |
| 10:20.46 | hraesvelgr | citral, okay, thanks a lot, and last one question,do you know the way which I can switch off landing (or parking) of heads? |
| 10:20.49 | citral | hraesvelgr: it will work, because hdparm, wich is started at boot time, reads this file |
| 10:21.15 | hraesvelgr | citral, thats fine, thanks so much, didnt know it (i thought it but the phorum misleads me) |
| 10:21.16 | ttl- | if i set LC_ALL to en_US everything is en_US |
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| 10:22.19 | ttl- | if i leave LC_ALL a lot of programs complain |
| 10:22.30 | citral | hraesvelgr: dunno the parameter for that, you'll have to look in man hdparm |
| 10:22.43 | hraesvelgr | citral, okay, thanks a lot so much |
| 10:22.49 | hraesvelgr | citral, thank you again, cheers |
| 10:22.50 | citral | de rien |
| 10:23.03 | biz | ttl-, there is en_GB |
| 10:23.19 | biz | ttl-, and always leave LC_ALL empty |
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| 10:28.41 | ttl- | biz: ok thans i will use en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 10:29.12 | biz | ttl-, yes, set everything except LC_ALL to en_GB.UTF-8 and you should be fine |
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| 10:39.52 | netgear | biz, i have done grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 10:40.06 | mikeX | hello, aptitude becomes horribly slow after some use, mainly when '(Reading database ...' is there something I can do for that? |
| 10:40.10 | netgear | biz, and done grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION /boot/config-2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 10:40.35 | OverFlow | hi all any programmers here?? |
| 10:40.43 | netgear | i have found both in list with=m next to them |
| 10:40.44 | OverFlow | i need some help |
| 10:41.02 | netgear | OverFlow,just ask |
| 10:41.06 | OverFlow | okie |
| 10:41.07 | citral | OverFlow: /j #C, /j#perl etc. |
| 10:41.14 | OverFlow | thx |
| 10:41.14 | liable | netgear: ah, your back, you left before i got around to answering you yesterday |
| 10:41.33 | netgear | ah good someone sees that if been struggling for days now |
| 10:41.46 | netgear | liable, what ideas do you have for me to test? |
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| 10:42.42 | liable | netgear: put your output of 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices' somewhere |
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| 10:43.09 | winther | hi |
| 10:43.14 | netgear | ok, that is with the card inserted or not? |
| 10:43.27 | liable | netgear: yes of course with it inserted |
| 10:43.31 | winther | are the via epia boards fully supported by debian? |
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| 10:43.44 | netgear | liable, you have a 3g card? |
| 10:43.59 | liable | netgear: paste the last bits of dmesg when you insert it to |
| 10:44.10 | liable | netgear: i have a built sierra 3g card |
| 10:44.40 | liable | built in* |
| 10:44.47 | netgear | liable - i have to reboot to do that so i will be back in a min or two |
| 10:44.52 | liable | np |
| 10:44.57 | netgear | is that all you want to know? |
| 10:45.04 | liable | netgear: for now, yes |
| 10:45.04 | OverFlow | hi guys im writing a program in c that creates a child processes, what function can i use to check if they finished according to a pid ? (without wait)? |
| 10:45.12 | netgear | ok |
| 10:45.14 | azeem | OverFlow: you were told where to ask |
| 10:45.15 | dalias | waitpid |
| 10:45.20 | OverFlow | ooops |
| 10:45.34 | OverFlow | sorr wrong room... |
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| 10:45.46 | liable | !room |
| 10:45.46 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 10:46.12 | dalias | excuse me while i go to the other 'room' to cyber with 'hot 18yo girls' |
| 10:46.21 | dalias | </AOL> |
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| 10:46.54 | streuner | liable: http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,148349,00.html |
| 10:47.30 | liable | the .sg is a bad omen |
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| 10:47.47 | streuner | nah :-) |
| 10:47.50 | liable | streuner: old news :P wrong country for me too! :P |
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| 10:54.12 | nuxis | Hey I can't open a .rar file? I installed unrar free but nothing? |
| 10:54.29 | petemc | nothing? |
| 10:54.35 | liable | streuner: mind if i msg? |
| 10:54.38 | mortal_ | unrar x file |
| 10:54.44 | Ronin | define nothing |
| 10:54.48 | nuxis | k sec I try that |
| 10:55.00 | liable | nuxis: the free one doesnt do the newer rar formats |
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| 10:55.59 | nuxis | shit |
| 10:56.17 | nuxis | it extract but failed extracting the files itself :( |
| 10:57.36 | nuxis | :p downloaded winrar it's fine now :) |
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| 11:00.33 | winther | can somebody please toss me some words to google for information on booting debian without a hd from a server. |
| 11:00.48 | Anubis_be | debian extended model |
| 11:01.20 | smiler | winther: root over nfs, tftp, bootp <-- some google keywords for you :) |
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| 11:01.24 | harpal | I try to install grub but its not instslling that. whats problem? |
| 11:01.33 | winther | thanks smiler |
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| 11:01.43 | Jyzygzy- | wget -O /dev/null ftp://ftp.funet.fi/dev/1Gnull |
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| 11:01.47 | Jyzygzy- | omg funny |
| 11:01.49 | fengor | harpal: whats the error message? |
| 11:01.54 | nuxis | harpal: there could be much problems... error? |
| 11:02.13 | liable | harpal: how and what isnt it doing? |
| 11:02.28 | Jyzygzy- | can default apache share /dev/null? |
| 11:02.39 | liable | eh? |
| 11:02.48 | Jyzygzy- | how bout /dev/zero |
| 11:02.58 | harpal | I have done grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt /dev/hdb1 |
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| 11:03.06 | liable | how 'bout explaining what you mean? |
| 11:03.07 | fengor | Jyzygzy-: what are you trying to do? and more important what do you WANT to do |
| 11:03.12 | fengor | ? |
| 11:03.17 | harpal | nuxis, I dont get any error message |
| 11:03.25 | Jyzygzy- | file that never ends :-D |
| 11:03.25 | nuxis | wel harpal what is happening? |
| 11:03.30 | Jyzygzy- | like they are sharing |
| 11:03.34 | Jyzygzy- | ftp://ftp.funet.fi/dev/1Gnull |
| 11:03.37 | Jyzygzy- | endless file |
| 11:03.39 | liable | harpal: use grub in interactive mode |
| 11:03.46 | Jyzygzy- | 1G bandwith of zeros |
| 11:03.50 | harpal | it shows it has installed grub. btu when I boot from that harddisk than it doesnt booting |
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| 11:04.15 | Jyzygzy- | or maybe you can just do a quick netcat server for that |
| 11:04.37 | harpal | It shows me BOOT DISK FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK ANS PRESS ENTER |
| 11:05.05 | liable | harpal: so run grub manually |
| 11:05.07 | harpal | liable, For that interactive mode I have to boot from cd? |
| 11:05.22 | liable | harpal: can you get into your install at all? |
| 11:06.11 | harpal | liable, I have copied whole my partition to another machien. actually I have one hardware and in that I have to install linux |
| 11:06.45 | harpal | so I have installed it to other machine harddisk and copied that partition to new harddisk and than installed grub there |
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| 11:07.39 | harpal | actually this command was working earlier. samely I have made 2-3 hardisk and its working properly. but now its not. that harddisk is new. |
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| 11:08.05 | harpal | so should I have to do anything with that to work properly? |
| 11:09.13 | harpal | liable, Did you understand what I mean? |
| 11:09.37 | liable | harpal: you copied a drive over to a new one? thats the gist of it? |
| 11:09.46 | ziro01 | sup? |
| 11:10.57 | harpal | because on that hardware I dont have drive so how can I install debian? and I have to make many copy of that machine. So is it a good way to copy? |
| 11:11.17 | harpal | or another way to do that, like ghosting |
| 11:12.20 | liable | harpal: explain exactly what you have done |
| 11:12.48 | harpal | ok |
| 11:13.10 | harpal | I have installed debian to one machine. now I want many machine like that. |
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| 11:13.18 | r0sk | Hi |
| 11:13.33 | r0sk | anyone knows if proftpd-mysql was removed on lenny/sid? |
| 11:13.43 | harpal | so I ahve just copied that partition to many harddisk and than try to install grub on that harddisks |
| 11:14.02 | liable | harpal: how did you copy? |
| 11:14.08 | ziro01 | you tell me ;) |
| 11:14.34 | harpal | Just made tar.gz from original partition and than extract it to new partition |
| 11:14.41 | liable | !why isn't proftp-mysql in testing |
| 11:14.41 | dpkg | proftp-mysql is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=proftp-mysql |
| 11:15.04 | liable | harpal: ok, boot an install disk and get back to me |
| 11:15.14 | harpal | I have mounted that harddisk to /mnt and run command grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt /dev/hdb1 |
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| 11:15.42 | r0sk | no one with proftpd-mysql? |
| 11:15.46 | harpal | liable, thats problem. because on that mahicne I dont have drive |
| 11:16.01 | harpal | so I have installed grub like this |
| 11:16.52 | liable | dont have cd drive? |
| 11:17.34 | harpal | no. |
| 11:17.46 | harpal | Thats why I have done this things |
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| 11:18.19 | liable | harpal: you have a floppy? |
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| 11:18.51 | zicho | Has anyone tried debian or a another Distro och a Zepto 3215 W? |
| 11:19.03 | liable | eh? |
| 11:19.09 | zicho | A laptop. |
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| 11:19.21 | liable | !laptop |
| 11:19.21 | dpkg | somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 11:19.27 | liable | zicho: see those sites |
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| 11:19.48 | harpal | liable, no |
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| 11:20.06 | liable | zicho: alternatively, if you can tell us the chipsets in it, we may be able to help |
| 11:20.06 | zicho | thank you |
| 11:20.25 | liable | harpal: then you are gonna have to put the drive back in a working box |
| 11:21.19 | zicho | What im concerned about is that if whether or not i can use Open GL with the integrated graphics card, which is a Intel GMA X3100. |
| 11:21.20 | liable | fqh: dont irc as root, you cant talk in here while you are root |
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| 11:21.45 | liable | zicho: a quick google should tell you that |
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| 11:24.15 | harpal | hey liable its working now |
| 11:24.30 | zicho | liable: Yes, it did. Thank you |
| 11:24.40 | liable | zicho: np |
| 11:24.45 | liable | harpal: magic? |
| 11:24.56 | harpal | liable, actually command was wrong, command is grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mn /dev/hdb |
| 11:25.05 | harpal | no magic ;) |
| 11:25.21 | harpal | I have done hdb1 instead og hdb |
| 11:25.26 | liable | ah |
| 11:25.44 | harpal | Thanks |
| 11:26.06 | liable | thank yourself, you figured it in the end ;) |
| 11:26.21 | liable | with a bit of prodding i guess ;) |
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| 11:26.51 | Outlaw84 | I wanto add a bunch of users to the systen from a script, I cant find who I am suppose to set the password if I use adduser |
| 11:27.21 | harpal | nono. you have given some hint that you have to install drive there. than I have searched that command and its working |
| 11:27.30 | petemc | Outlaw84: have a look at newusers |
| 11:27.31 | harpal | so credit goes to you not mw |
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| 11:28.29 | liable | Outlaw84: these are real users? |
| 11:30.04 | GhostlyDeath | I'm looking at screenshots of GNOME and the titlebars are transparent.... |
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| 11:32.45 | Outlaw84 | liable: yes they are going to be real system users |
| 11:33.40 | Outlaw84 | liable: they are going to be using DB2 and NX so I need to setup the same password in multiple locations |
| 11:34.04 | hoodlum | is anyone familiar with mdadm here? |
| 11:34.31 | Outlaw84 | hoodlum: just ask your question |
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| 11:35.04 | netgear | liable, i have what you told me to do |
| 11:35.14 | netgear | where shall i give it to you? |
| 11:35.23 | liable | netgear: on a pastebin site |
| 11:35.43 | netgear | not sure what you mean by that |
| 11:35.49 | liable | !paste |
| 11:35.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 11:36.02 | hoodlum | i had to power down my server and move to my flat |
| 11:36.03 | hoodlum | and like |
| 11:36.10 | liable | visit that url and put the ouput there and then paste the url here |
| 11:36.10 | hoodlum | when i powered it up mdadm does not load md0 |
| 11:36.12 | hoodlum | its like lost |
| 11:36.18 | hoodlum | as though its lost its superblocks or something |
| 11:36.44 | Outlaw84 | hoodlum: what does /proc/mdstat say= |
| 11:36.50 | hoodlum | nothing |
| 11:36.56 | hoodlum | it has nothing in there :S |
| 11:37.17 | hoodlum | on init it asks to perform fsck |
| 11:37.23 | hoodlum | and like i cannot perform fsck on a device that is non existent.. |
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| 11:37.30 | hoodlum | but i did a check of the devices associated the raid config |
| 11:37.36 | hoodlum | and like it states they are a part of it? |
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| 11:37.56 | Schalken | how do you switch between the different "tabs" that appear in aptitude? |
| 11:39.21 | netgear | liable, i posted on debian.de paste zone |
| 11:39.22 | Outlaw84 | hoodlum: have you tried adding the devices from the start with mdadm? |
| 11:39.27 | netgear | dont know if i did it right |
| 11:40.02 | Outlaw84 | hoodlum: check in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf for how its suppose to be set up |
| 11:40.05 | liable | netgear: and the url is? |
| 11:40.27 | netgear | i suppose i did it wrong then |
| 11:40.27 | hoodlum | Outlaw84 what do you mean, from the start? |
| 11:40.33 | hoodlum | i had it up and runnign for ages |
| 11:40.36 | netgear | i did not get any url back |
| 11:40.40 | Outlaw84 | when they worked? |
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| 11:40.47 | liable | netgear: when you hit the submit tab, its gives you a url |
| 11:40.49 | hoodlum | yeah |
| 11:40.55 | netgear | it didnt |
| 11:41.08 | Schalken | :O found it, dw. |
| 11:41.11 | Schalken | :) |
| 11:41.16 | netgear | cant i make a room on this server and paste it there? |
| 11:41.25 | liable | netgear: well, when you work it out, let me know |
| 11:41.51 | liable | netgear: you can put it anywhere, just dont paste in this channel |
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| 11:43.06 | netgear | liable /j #issues |
| 11:43.18 | liable | netgear: you /j #flood |
| 11:43.32 | netgear | ok |
| 11:43.34 | hoodlum | it says superblock cannot be found on init and asks to perform fsck |
| 11:43.38 | hoodlum | im guessing filesystem is pwned :( |
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| 11:46.36 | Caelum | can you use xinerama with a built-in intel chip and a pcie card? |
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| 11:53.08 | melodosgr | im having a very odd problem. ive just installed samba and i can access my windows machine but i can only play my multimedia files by only using totem and not any other app.. i tried with vlc and its not working.. any ideas? |
| 11:53.59 | debianfreak | hey people... when I spawn a background process e.g. nohup tail -f file | grep "text" >>file2, the variable $! seems to give me the pid of grep, not tail? I expected to get the value of tail's pid because I didn't think grep would execute until necessary (it's tailing a named pipe). So... how do I get the pid of tail? :S |
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| 11:58.22 | Caelum | debianfreak: (tail -f file | grep "text" >> file2) & disown |
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| 11:59.08 | melodosgr | anyone here? |
| 11:59.09 | debianfreak | caelum - ooo cool, I'll have to try that. thanks! :) |
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| 12:00.36 | melodosgr | im having a really odd problem. Im connectin to my windows shares through smb and i can see my shared folders but i can only play my multimedia files with totem which is the deufault app for debian, When i try to play it with vlc or mplayer they cannot play the file .. :( whats going on? |
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| 12:01.33 | Caelum | melodosgr: try mplayer |
| 12:01.53 | melodosgr | already tried that |
| 12:02.07 | melodosgr | all players work great on my machine when i have files locally |
| 12:02.24 | melodosgr | but when i go to my shares i can only use totem.. |
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| 12:04.05 | melodosgr | anyone? |
| 12:04.26 | melodosgr | :( |
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| 12:05.13 | vjt | melodosgr, are you using smb:// uris to open media files on your shared folders? |
| 12:05.53 | netgear | liable, proc is up at http://paste.uni.cc/17620 |
| 12:06.03 | Enverex | Does anyone know if there is a driver for the webcam built into ASUS laptops? |
| 12:06.42 | SlayerXP | Enverex: yes, ASUS do. |
| 12:07.12 | liable | netgear: ok, and dmesg? |
| 12:07.57 | netgear | sending now |
| 12:08.22 | netgear | http://paste.uni.cc/17621 - that is the whole dmesg so scroll down to the end please |
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| 12:09.03 | Enverex | SlayerXP, Ah, the UVC driver... |
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| 12:11.18 | netgear | liable, is that what you were looking for? |
| 12:11.23 | liable | netgear: gimme 5 |
| 12:11.29 | netgear | ok |
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| 12:13.14 | liable | netgear: http://www.pharscape.org/component/option,com_forum/Itemid,68/page,viewtopic/t,136/ |
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| 12:13.57 | liable | netgear: have a read through that and see if you work it out. ping me if you cant, i am about to sleep, but i'll get back to you next time i see you here |
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| 12:15.08 | XoX | anyone know a tool like iptraf that shows kbit rate on vlans ? iptraf dosent work on vlans i think |
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| 12:15.47 | Sarefo | as i noted before, i upgraded from etch->lenny yesterday. and now my apache2 is broken. i have websvn installed, and the /var/www/websvn dir is gone, but the strange thing is that this error (dir gone) also appears when trying to access myhost.org, not just svn.myhost.org |
| 12:15.47 | tralala | XoX, ntop? |
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| 12:16.33 | Enverex | SlayerXP, Hrm, well that one didn't work, any other ideas? |
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| 12:19.28 | basanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.51 | RYsh | There is no killall command in my installation. Where is it?;-) |
| 12:20.09 | XoX | why dosent iptables in debian support vlans |
| 12:20.32 | netgear | liable, i have been over that page many many times |
| 12:20.47 | netgear | ive even tried usb_switch too |
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| 12:21.15 | Borbus | Hi.. how can you use 2 IP addresses with 1 NIC? |
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| 12:22.05 | liable | netgear: hrm, and have you tried usbserial options? |
| 12:22.06 | brotherJohn1234 | setup eth0:0 and eth0:1 with different ip's . |
| 12:22.21 | liable | netgear: what have you actually tried doing? |
| 12:22.29 | Borbus | brotherJohn1234, can you make as many as you want? |
| 12:22.33 | netgear | trying to get 3g going |
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| 12:23.02 | liable | netgear: no, what have you tried, to get the card seen in linux |
| 12:23.04 | brotherJohn1234 | Borbus: i don't know. i have not tried more than 3. |
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| 12:23.20 | liable | netgear: have you feed the module any parameters? |
| 12:23.29 | netgear | one page i read makes sense http://snippets.aktagon.com/snippets/95-3G-connection-with-Linux-and-Option-Glob |
| 12:23.34 | Borbus | Do you have to explicitely bind listening apps to one of those, or will they listen on eth0:0 by default? |
| 12:24.04 | netgear | liable i printed that to pdf dont know if that link is complete |
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| 12:24.23 | Borbus | I'm thinking of getting another IP address and having an Apache virtual host listening on the new one.. and have all my other crap on the other one |
| 12:24.35 | netgear | anyway they mention modules usb_serial_option and usb_serial |
| 12:24.44 | Phil|Away | Borbus, most stuff will listen on * by default |
| 12:24.47 | Phil|Away | i.e. all interfaces |
| 12:24.48 | liable | netgear: you havent answered my question. did you give the usbserial module any options when loading it? |
| 12:24.54 | netgear | that is why i was asking on how to see if they are installed or not |
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| 12:25.02 | netgear | no |
| 12:25.03 | Borbus | Oh |
| 12:25.13 | netgear | i really dont know much about linux |
| 12:25.14 | Borbus | Which IP address will they send from? |
| 12:25.34 | netgear | when i did modprobe usb_serial i got module not found |
| 12:25.41 | brotherJohn1234 | i only used the eth0:0 etc for testing -- not for "real" life. -- can ip-tables handle this ? - i don't know. |
| 12:25.51 | Phil|Away | Borbus, the main interface IP |
| 12:25.57 | Phil|Away | e.g. eth0's IP |
| 12:26.06 | netgear | also with usb_serial_option i also got module not found |
| 12:26.08 | liable | netgear: its usbserial, no _ in it |
| 12:26.13 | Borbus | So eth0:0 if I'm using 2? |
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| 12:26.26 | netgear | mmm |
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| 12:27.11 | liable | netgear: i'll get back to you tomorrow if i can find the proper argumants for your card |
| 12:27.13 | netgear | ok, let me just add that most people say the card is supposed to get detected by debian with kernel i have |
| 12:27.22 | Titanous | I have a server that my ISP just loaded with debian, however they include tons of extra packages. Is there any way for me to remove all the packages not included in a minimal install? |
| 12:27.34 | netgear | liable, what timezone you in now? |
| 12:27.44 | liable | netgear: GMT+9 |
| 12:28.06 | netgear | i have a sample wvdial that people have gotten similar cards going with |
| 12:28.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Titanous, debfoster |
| 12:28.36 | liable | netgear: the wvdialconf doesnt matter if you dont load the module with the right parameters |
| 12:28.50 | liable | netgear: find the parameters and you win |
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| 12:29.15 | netgear | its like finding money at the end of the month |
| 12:29.18 | melodosgr | im having a really odd problem. Im connectin to my windows shares through smb and i can see my shared folders but i can only play my multimedia files with totem which is the deufault app for debian, When i try to play it with vlc or mplayer they cannot play the file .. :( whats going on? |
| 12:29.29 | netgear | ok i will try to do that |
| 12:29.40 | netgear | thanks for help anyway |
| 12:30.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | melodosgr, applications have to be gnome-vfs aware to use the mounts from places -> connect to server (which i assume you used) |
| 12:30.10 | liable | netgear: these are module parameters when you load it, its usually just the model and manufacturer |
| 12:30.26 | melodosgr | Kamping_Kaiser: what? |
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| 12:30.34 | liable | netgear: for mine its modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1199 product=0x6804 |
| 12:30.40 | netgear | ah isnt that what usbswitch does - target vendor etc? |
| 12:30.40 | melodosgr | Kamping_Kaiser: im using smb to browse on my shares |
| 12:30.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | melodosgr, how are you browsing them? |
| 12:30.57 | netgear | give me 5 secs |
| 12:31.24 | melodosgr | Kamping_Kaiser: through nautilus |
| 12:31.40 | tralala | melodosgr, there is no single way to use samba in linux. Some apps support some ways, other apps - others, and other apps don't support samba at all (looking at mplayer's direction) |
| 12:31.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | melodosgr, did you type the address in the nautils navigation bar? |
| 12:32.26 | melodosgr | cant i just go through nautilus? |
| 12:32.34 | melodosgr | im going to network |
| 12:33.23 | netgear | liable - let me go struggle |
| 12:33.29 | netgear | see you tomorrow |
| 12:33.39 | liable | netgear: good luck, let me know how you go |
| 12:33.50 | netgear | i will |
| 12:33.53 | netgear | thanks |
| 12:33.58 | liable | np |
| 12:34.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | +9? you must be getting tired |
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| 12:36.02 | liable | netgear: problem is, i cant see your 3g card in your cat of /proc |
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| 12:36.41 | liable | netgear: hrm, sec |
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| 12:36.55 | wfq | hello |
| 12:37.58 | liable | netgear: modprobe -r usbserial; modprobe usbserial vendor=0x413c product=0x8000 |
| 12:38.09 | liable | dammit |
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| 12:42.06 | Enverex | If update-modules shouldn't be used, what should? |
| 12:42.11 | Enverex | Would be nice if it told you |
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| 12:43.40 | melodosgr | whats the best bittorent client for linux? |
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| 12:43.58 | tralala | bittornado |
| 12:44.09 | melodosgr | tralala: r u greek? |
| 12:44.10 | liable | not its not |
| 12:44.17 | Jyzygzy- | utorrent |
| 12:44.21 | liable | not its not |
| 12:44.22 | tralala | yes, it is |
| 12:44.24 | liable | not its not |
| 12:44.28 | Jyzygzy- | no its not |
| 12:44.29 | melodosgr | llol |
| 12:44.30 | Jyzygzy- | it sux |
| 12:44.44 | liable | see the problem with that question yet? |
| 12:44.44 | tralala | it doesn't |
| 12:44.48 | tralala | it rox |
| 12:44.51 | melodosgr | i love bitcomet |
| 12:44.54 | fengor | isn't best a relative term? unless you specify completely the criteria you use? |
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| 12:46.24 | blq | there are several good clients - utorrent is very tall, azureus is eating your memory but is very functional and bitcomet is something between them ;) |
| 12:46.41 | blq | oh, he already left :P |
| 12:47.17 | fengor | tall? do you mean small maybe? |
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| 12:48.09 | liable | hrm, irssi isnt giving me whowas info in status window for some reason |
| 12:48.53 | liable | doh, cause he opened a private window earlier.. |
| 12:49.14 | tralala | that's why I've got pm on ignore |
| 12:49.32 | biz | how is the AltGr key called in xkb terms? is it Mode_Switch or Alt_R or Meta or Super or what? I don't have an AltGr key on my keyboard so i want to map another key to be AltGr using xkb |
| 12:49.47 | liable | i prolly should, but i prefer to gently scald those that do :) |
| 12:50.42 | biz | imho theres a user flag on freenode to prevent privmsgs from others |
| 12:50.44 | fengor | hmm which reminds me, window count in irssi is goign towards 100 again, time to clean up |
| 12:50.56 | tralala | biz, wrong |
| 12:51.00 | liable | yikes |
| 12:51.10 | liable | fengor: thats just silly |
| 12:51.35 | liable | when it gets to 10 for me, then i get confused |
| 12:51.38 | fengor | well i use bitlbee together with irssi so i have the whole im deal in here as well |
| 12:51.45 | tralala | liable, so is having a million bucks in a bank account |
| 12:51.45 | biz | tralala, really? or at least from unregistered users.. I don't remember exactly |
| 12:51.55 | tralala | biz, not quite the same |
| 12:52.06 | liable | tralala: unfortunately, i dont think i'll ever have that problem |
| 12:52.11 | wfq | does this means I can not install freetype2 from my debian binary repository please?http://pastebin.com/m485f1606 |
| 12:52.35 | tralala | liable, having a 100 irssi windows ;) |
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| 12:53.14 | liable | tralala: thats not unfortunate, i know that wont happen, the unfortunate part is me ever having maney |
| 12:53.25 | liable | \money even |
| 12:53.44 | liable | large amounts anyway |
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| 12:54.07 | tralala | liable, you already have large amounts of money |
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| 12:54.56 | liable | tralala: oh rly? /msg me that million dollar account number i forgot |
| 12:55.01 | tralala | (don't worry I didn't pwn your bank) |
| 12:55.35 | tralala | liable, by certain standards anyways... |
| 12:55.42 | ringo999 | hi. im trying to get sound working on my laptop. what to do? im using xfce |
| 12:56.08 | tralala | ringo999, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 12:56.09 | liable | tralala: i am not sure i am understanding |
| 12:56.12 | fengor | first open up a mixer application and check if the sound is maybe just muted |
| 12:56.14 | liable | -s |
| 12:56.25 | biz | tralala, yeah.. its +E against pms from ungeristered users.. you were right - theres no flag against privmsgs from all |
| 12:56.30 | ringo999 | the sounddriver is: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 12:56.32 | citral | no, 1st do alsaconf as root |
| 12:56.45 | liable | ringo999: ich7 is long supported |
| 12:56.51 | tralala | liable, let's take your internet bill - it's probably as much as the monthly income of some people |
| 12:57.35 | swombat | tralala: perhaps, but I hear things are bit cheaper in those countries |
| 12:57.40 | swombat | just a tad |
| 12:57.51 | liable | tralala: well, if you want to count my monthly bill to the cost of life in botswana, then i guess yeah. |
| 12:58.35 | tralala | swombat, that doesn't change much |
| 12:58.41 | wfq | Could anyone please tell me why I can't find the path of libfreetype6 if dpkg shows it as shared library? http://pastebin.com/m36f420ad |
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| 12:59.24 | swombat | tralala: of course it does. It's all about purchasing power |
| 12:59.30 | swombat | you can live on a dollar a day in those countries |
| 12:59.45 | swombat | (including rent and all) |
| 13:00.03 | Ace2016 | what countries? |
| 13:00.19 | Ace2016 | how good is broadband in those countries, seems like a good deal |
| 13:00.21 | swombat | zimbabwe? ;-) |
| 13:00.29 | tralala | swombat, so the purchasing power is just the same there, only the numbers are lower? |
| 13:00.34 | wfq | anyone knows it? |
| 13:00.52 | swombat | tralala: not quite - with country wealth the average purchasing power per person also increases |
| 13:01.06 | swombat | tralala: but it's not as big as the sraight currency conversion implies |
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| 13:01.42 | swombat | by straight currency conversion, ppl in those countries wouldn't be able to buy anything |
| 13:01.44 | ringo999 | im just wondering how i can see if the sound is working. in my xfce sound settings, i can choose a device at #0: HDA intel, yet i can year no sounds... |
| 13:01.50 | XoX | can i use aptitude to search for a specific file , or must i use apt-file? |
| 13:02.59 | liable | XoX: you can use dpkg if its installed |
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| 13:03.03 | tralala | swombat, if you compare their belongings to other people's belongings they practically own nothing (almost as a straight conversion implies) |
| 13:03.17 | Ace2016 | I have a question |
| 13:03.24 | liable | i have an answer |
| 13:03.27 | Ace2016 | what if you run sudo apt-get remove sudo |
| 13:03.32 | Ace2016 | would that remove sudo? |
| 13:03.37 | liable | these dont neccesarily match |
| 13:03.38 | swombat | Ace2016: try it |
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| 13:03.46 | Ace2016 | no |
| 13:03.46 | tralala | Ace2016, it would |
| 13:03.51 | swombat | tralala: that's not true |
| 13:03.56 | bakon | What program do I use to format a second hard drive? |
| 13:03.57 | tralala | swombat, okay |
| 13:04.01 | liable | Ace2016: why? |
| 13:04.13 | liable | swombat: i beg to differ, and say it would |
| 13:04.14 | Ace2016 | i had the idea of running that on ubuntu after the initial install to see what happens |
| 13:04.21 | tralala | bakon, the same you used for the first one |
| 13:04.35 | liable | Ace2016: debian isnt ubuntu |
| 13:04.35 | wfq | I did an updatedb but I can't even so find it |
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| 13:04.48 | swombat | tralala: people earning a dollar a day don't own much, but people earning, say, $20/day (not a living wage in the US) are quite wealthy in a place like, say, Malawi... and they own as much stuff as you do |
| 13:04.51 | tralala | liable, he's probably refering to owr offtopic dispute |
| 13:04.52 | bakon | tralala: i didnt install this |
| 13:04.53 | Ace2016 | since there is no root password, and no way for apt-get to run without sudo to reinstall sudo |
| 13:05.04 | tralala | our |
| 13:05.07 | bakon | tralala: it is a server and I am having a problem mounting the second drive |
| 13:05.13 | swombat | anyway, i've gotta go |
| 13:05.14 | swombat | later |
| 13:05.14 | liable | tralala: which one? ;) |
| 13:05.22 | bakon | they told me to format the 2nd drive |
| 13:06.16 | liable | they? |
| 13:06.17 | bakon | the hosting company |
| 13:06.17 | XoX | liable, what if the package isn't installed |
| 13:06.19 | tralala | liable, too late to ask :) |
| 13:06.22 | Ace2016 | i was just thinking about the person that said debian doesn't setup sudo by default, so i thought about how to mess up sudo in ubuntu |
| 13:06.24 | bakon | it is a dedicated server and I thought the drive was bad it would not mount at all and if i added it to the Fstab to automount my system hangs and had to go into rescue mode until i fixed the fstab |
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| 13:07.15 | liable | bakon: if you have a hosted box, then unfortunately you are at their mercy, as hosted boxes are often virtual boxen with custom unupdated shitty installs |
| 13:07.17 | tralala | Ace2016, I suspect that your questions serve no practical purpose |
| 13:07.23 | liable | XoX: which package? |
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| 13:07.31 | XoX | lscpi |
| 13:07.33 | Ace2016 | :o |
| 13:07.38 | Ace2016 | only some of them |
| 13:07.39 | liable | XoX: pciutils |
| 13:08.01 | tralala | bakon, mkfs.yourfsofchoice |
| 13:08.08 | bakon | liable: mine is a dedicated server |
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| 13:08.29 | barbie | hi, When i run some other desktop environment instead of gnome, all the gtk widgets takes the old gtk look, but if i run gnome-theme-manager, everything goes fine |
| 13:08.32 | tralala | bakon, be sure to not shoot yourself in the foot |
| 13:08.34 | liable | bakon: if so, then you have total control of it and do as you wish |
| 13:08.35 | bakon | tralala: so for ext3 it would be mkfse3 /dev/sdb1? |
| 13:08.46 | bakon | tralala: how so? |
| 13:08.53 | wfq | ok, thanks anyway. |
| 13:09.36 | tralala | bakon, it would be mkfs.ext3 /dev/something, where something is not equal to one of your partitions containing data |
| 13:09.39 | liable | bakon: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 13:09.54 | bakon | liable tralala: thank you |
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| 13:10.17 | ringo999 | do i have to install some additional software to get sound with ich7 to work? |
| 13:10.24 | liable | no |
| 13:10.32 | ringo999 | it should work out of the box? |
| 13:10.35 | ringo999 | hmm |
| 13:10.40 | liable | ich7 is supported sice .15 iirc |
| 13:10.51 | liable | was for my ich7 box |
| 13:10.57 | ringo999 | liable: any idea why i have no sound then? what can i do? |
| 13:11.09 | liable | !soundcheck |
| 13:11.09 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 13:11.18 | liable | !soundtest |
| 13:11.21 | liable | meh |
| 13:11.27 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 13:11.28 | dpkg | [alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 13:11.28 | tralala | hehe |
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| 13:12.29 | tralala | number 8) is best consumed with speakers off |
| 13:12.29 | ringo999 | soundcheck gives "Device or resource busy" |
| 13:12.43 | barbie | When i run some other desktop environment instead of gnome, all the gtk widgets takes the old gtk look, but if i run gnome-theme-manager, everything goes fine |
| 13:12.54 | tralala | ringo999, you have a sound server running |
| 13:12.57 | liable | ringo999: follow the factoid exactly |
| 13:13.09 | XoX | if ethool reports 1000Mb/s , but mii-tool shows 100mbit what counts |
| 13:13.10 | liable | no 4 |
| 13:13.32 | ringo999 | liable: but i have no alsaconf... |
| 13:13.51 | liable | ringo999: are you running ubuntu? |
| 13:14.02 | ringo999 | liable: nope, debian etch with xfce4 |
| 13:14.08 | fengor | ohhh nice checklist *adds alsa checklsit to his factoids to remember list |
| 13:14.12 | liable | ringo999: install alsa-utils |
| 13:14.49 | jelly | XoX: what's in dmesg counts |
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| 13:15.44 | jelly | XoX: some drivers say "tg3: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex. |
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| 13:16.35 | liable | rev_jazZ: you got rdns for .mine.nu? |
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| 13:17.45 | liable | not that theres anything wrong with that, just never seen it before.. |
| 13:17.56 | rev_jazZ | liable, yes |
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| 13:20.28 | flosch | hi there |
| 13:20.29 | liable | its a lonely life |
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| 13:21.02 | flosch | can anybody explain me what the different between linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver and linux-image-2.6-xen is? |
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| 13:22.18 | ringo999 | liable: splendid, it works. wondering what the problem was though. I guess i didnt have neither oss/alsa installed. |
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| 13:23.24 | liable | ringo999: for some weird reason, alsa-utils arent deemed essential, unless you install a desktop environment, and maybe not even if you do so |
| 13:24.06 | liable | ringo999: heh, splendid.. your english aren't you? |
| 13:24.44 | RYsh | In what package can I found dig program? |
| 13:25.06 | liable | ringo999: alsa/oss is kernel modules, alsaconf just loads the right ones for alsa and thats about it. |
| 13:25.13 | liable | dnsutils |
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| 13:25.25 | liable | ringo999: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:25.30 | liable | bah |
| 13:25.38 | liable | RYsh: /mag dpkg searh |
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| 13:25.59 | liable | search even |
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| 13:26.42 | RYsh | ok thanx |
| 13:26.45 | liable | streuner_: ping, msg? |
| 13:27.00 | reto_ | does this sentence sound correct? Description: Ruby interface to the id3lib library for editing ID3 tags |
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| 13:27.20 | Outlaw84 | I am trying to get the newusers-command/application for my CentOS installation where can I find it? or any other method of adding a bunch of users to the system |
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| 13:27.46 | Outlaw84 | ops wrong channel |
| 13:27.47 | liable | reto_: makes enough sense |
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| 13:28.33 | ondrej | Hi, I upgraded today my unstable and I all fonts in Gnome are undreadable (menus, panels, terminals...). Anyone else with the same problem? Which package should I file the bugreport to? |
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| 13:28.46 | misreckoning | anybody knows why sometimes I can't force CPU to work at 100% - now it works only on 50% of freqency and cepufreq-applet can not set it to 100% |
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| 13:29.09 | jelly | flosch: the former has support for both xen and vserver technologies? |
| 13:29.12 | misreckoning | (and sometimes it can... this looks pretty much like windows behaving( |
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| 13:31.46 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:31.46 | dpkg | methinks qotd197 is Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
| 13:32.03 | liable | hehe |
| 13:32.20 | liable | cant do that these days.. :( |
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| 13:34.45 | reto_ | liable: okay thanks :) |
| 13:35.30 | liable | np |
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| 13:38.06 | spoown | Hello all |
| 13:38.19 | patrick-- | Hey, anyone with bash experience here? |
| 13:38.21 | patrick-- | bash script |
| 13:38.22 | patrick-- | :D |
| 13:38.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | #bash :) |
| 13:39.06 | liable | patrick--: #bash is the place for the true bash larting experience :) |
| 13:39.17 | ringo999 | liable: thanks (im not english, just a funny word to use every once in a while, dont you think ;-) |
| 13:39.57 | liable | ringo999: heh, yeah, thats an unusual word for a non engrish person :) |
| 13:40.57 | patrick-- | thanks |
| 13:41.29 | liable | hrm, you probably wont thank us once you have experirnced it :) |
| 13:42.34 | spoown | Hello all |
| 13:43.02 | liable | i would like to see the bash experience of 'ops all round' extend to #debian. would be interesting rather than the hegemony that ops have here atm |
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| 13:45.38 | streuner_ | liable: it wouldnt solve that issue, only democrazy... |
| 13:45.53 | streuner_ | liable: ops in #bash still have the power |
| 13:46.03 | wishkah | how can I switch from python2.4 to python2.5? if I install python-psycopg it only installs the bindings for python2.4... :( |
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| 13:46.14 | liable | streuner_: i know, but it sucks here as it is |
| 13:46.21 | spoown | Does anyone use awstats ? |
| 13:46.25 | liable | yes |
| 13:46.32 | streuner_ | spoown: just ask |
| 13:46.41 | streuner_ | liable: it sucks, but it just works |
| 13:46.48 | liable | streuner_: not really |
| 13:47.35 | streuner_ | liable: ok, become an op and get more headaches :-) |
| 13:47.37 | debianfreak | when my script terminates a background process that it has launched, I sometimes see "./script: line 398: 27138 Terminated tail -f file" on my screen. Where does this come from, and how can I suppress it? I have tried redirecting stdout and stderr from kill to /dev/null, but that hasn't helped. |
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| 13:48.14 | spoown | streuner_, I had some diffictulties to update the data ! When I changed the lines with LogFile="..." , I see that the file is well examined, but I only seee the old stat on my browser !! I don't understand why... |
| 13:48.44 | elt0n | hi I want to create an xinet.d listener (daemon) which listens on port 6666 for incomming connections and exectues a script on connection... my xinet.d script...but it seems that it's not working: http://rafb.net/p/KaagHj86.html |
| 13:49.11 | streuner_ | spoown: you played to much with it, just use the default values |
| 13:49.33 | liable | streuner_: no headaches, i just wish ops all behaved along the same lines |
| 13:49.35 | streuner_ | usually it just works |
| 13:50.19 | spoown | streuner_, yes but I have to at least specify where my log file reside !! |
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| 13:52.22 | streuner_ | spoown: in Debian its /var/log/apache/access.log |
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| 13:53.04 | Xteven | hi |
| 13:53.17 | Xteven | when I install a package like e.g. "watchdog", I get this warning: |
| 13:53.19 | Xteven | udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 13:53.22 | Xteven | (etch btw) |
| 13:53.36 | liable | and the problem is? |
| 13:53.40 | Xteven | is that a problem ? if it is, can I somehow get rid of it ? |
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| 13:53.54 | Xteven | liable: I was wondering if that's a stable situation |
| 13:54.05 | Xteven | does /dev/.static get cleaned up from time to time ? |
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| 13:54.54 | liable | Xteven: i havent seen that warning myself, but that dir is a standard udev dir for storing stuff |
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| 13:55.10 | Xteven | liable: hmm ok thx |
| 13:55.18 | spoown | ok then, but I cannot use awstats on my production server, so I transfer the log file to another server, and then do the stat there !! |
| 13:55.39 | liable | Xteven: unfortunately, finding info on how the hell udev works is really quite difficult |
| 13:55.56 | liable | Xteven: but that dir is quite normal |
| 13:56.48 | Schalken | how do i install a i386 package on amd64? |
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| 13:56.55 | Schalken | an* |
| 13:57.10 | streuner_ | zerberus:/# ls -l /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 13:57.10 | streuner_ | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 1524598 2007-11-21 14:50 /var/log/apache/access.log |
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| 13:57.45 | minus198 | Is there a way to load Compiz directly at boot instead of loading metacity first and then load compiz? |
| 13:58.02 | Schalken | minus198: #compiz |
| 13:58.04 | streuner_ | !compiz |
| 13:58.04 | dpkg | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 13:58.20 | liable | minus198: you can do it in the gnome gconf thing iirc |
| 13:58.24 | Schalken | minus198: actually, #compiz looks pretty dead :P |
| 13:58.34 | minus198 | Schalken, ok :P |
| 13:58.44 | liable | minus198: just add the path to the script to load at startup |
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| 13:58.53 | minus198 | liable, ok.. |
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| 13:59.06 | minus198 | gonna try it out later |
| 13:59.08 | streuner_ | besides, compiz _IS_ a WM, why do you need another one (metacity) then? |
| 13:59.22 | liable | it replaces metacity |
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| 13:59.38 | streuner_ | liable: thats why iam asking :-P |
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| 13:59.55 | liable | gnome loads metacity, then you run compiz to replace it. |
| 14:00.06 | minus198 | streuner_, nono.. Its just that, when gnome starts, it loads metacity first, and then compiz... |
| 14:00.15 | minus198 | liable, damn, you were faster :P |
| 14:00.17 | streuner_ | oh, ic |
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| 14:01.44 | liable | no doubt it will be a real option one day rather than a hack replacement |
| 14:02.06 | biz | whats the debian way of updating /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols.dir ? |
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| 14:03.18 | liable | biz: hrm, why are you needing to? |
| 14:03.37 | liable | biz: never heard of anyone wanting to do that before |
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| 14:04.40 | biz | liable, I wrote some custom symbol mappings and can use them when I hand-edit the symbols.dir but I'm afraid it will get overwritten on update |
| 14:05.36 | hackintosh | does it make sense to put the local ip in the /etc/resolv.conf as nameserver if there is no bind or naming cache running on the localhost? |
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| 14:07.13 | petemc | hackintosh: of course not |
| 14:07.21 | liable | biz: yup, it most likely will, and x stuff is not my forte, i suggest #debian-x on oftc for that, or the debian-x mailing list (freedesktop, but thats probably not much help in this case) |
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| 14:09.07 | Titanous | Can someone help me with this problem with tzdata? http://pastebin.ca/792509 |
| 14:09.15 | Titanous | It won't upgrade for some reason |
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| 14:11.43 | minus198 | Titanous, try apt-get -f install tzdata |
| 14:12.14 | Titanous | minus198, same error |
| 14:12.16 | junkY_work | hi, i have downloaded and burned debian-40r1-ia64-netinst.iso, but i can't boot it. i have burned it twice but with no success in booting |
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| 14:12.30 | th1 | hi, my PC just crashed and after I reboot I get "Iceweasel is already running, but is not responding". I deleted the lock file in .mozilla/firefox/xxxx.default but it still happens, what can I do? |
| 14:12.39 | Titanous | junkY_work, did you check the hash first? |
| 14:12.42 | minus198 | Titanous, try do a apt-get update and then do that command again.. |
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| 14:13.07 | Titanous | minus198, same thing |
| 14:13.52 | minus198 | Titanous, then I'm out of ideas.. :/ |
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| 14:14.50 | Titanous | argh. anyone else? |
| 14:15.26 | kriebel | Titanous: are you running sid? |
| 14:15.31 | Titanous | lenny |
| 14:15.32 | assasukasse | hi, anyone knows when gimp 2.4 would be in etch or backported to etch? |
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| 14:17.17 | kriebel | Titanous, just wait it out then. apt might just be confused |
| 14:18.18 | junkY_work | Titanous: hash check is OK |
| 14:18.51 | Titanous | junkY_work, do you have your computer set to boot off the cd? are you getting a error? |
| 14:18.57 | ktwilight_ | ok, this is weird. i just added lenny to my sources.list, update && upgrade -s, and it tries to dist-upgrade everything?! i have default it to etch in apt.conf |
| 14:19.00 | ktwilight_ | so what gives? |
| 14:19.17 | junkY_work | Titanous: yes. no error. the debian i386 boots perfectly, but the ia64 does not. |
| 14:19.31 | kriebel | wait |
| 14:19.32 | wols_ | junkY_work: ia64 is itanium |
| 14:19.36 | kriebel | haha, yeah |
| 14:19.36 | wols_ | of course you cannot run this |
| 14:19.40 | junkY_work | whoops ^ |
| 14:19.43 | Titanous | lol |
| 14:19.47 | Titanous | didn't notice that |
| 14:19.51 | junkY_work | heh |
| 14:19.58 | junkY_work | i thought this is kind of intel 64-bit |
| 14:20.01 | wols_ | you want the amd64 one |
| 14:20.06 | Titanous | =D |
| 14:20.15 | stew | junkY_work: it is a kind of intel 64-bit, just a very different kind |
| 14:20.32 | junkY_work | so i can't boot this with q6600 ? |
| 14:20.45 | wols_ | no |
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| 14:21.08 | wols_ | you need to pay around 500$ or so more for the CPU to boot with it |
| 14:21.09 | stew | junkY_work: no, that cpu is an amd64, not a ia64 |
| 14:21.13 | kriebel | not that anyone knows wtf a q6600 is |
| 14:21.22 | wols_ | kriebel: then you live under a rock |
| 14:21.25 | junkY_work | so the amd64 bit release also supports intels 64 bit cpus? why is it then called amd ? |
| 14:21.29 | stew | kriebel: yes, people know what a q6600 is |
| 14:21.43 | wols_ | junkY_work: why is i386 called i386 when it also supports AMD CPU? |
| 14:21.47 | stew | junkY_work: becuase it is the instruction set created by amd |
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| 14:22.46 | junkY_work | ok, thanks for your help |
| 14:22.49 | wols_ | junkY_work: just get a amd64 netinst |
| 14:23.18 | kriebel | ah, a quad-core Core 2 |
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| 14:23.24 | kriebel | was that so hard to say? |
| 14:23.32 | wols_ | was it so hard to google? |
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| 14:24.06 | liable | wols_: i swa you answered him before, if you see netgear, tell him modprobe usbserial vendor=0x413c product=0x8000 if he asks about his 3g modem and you notice |
| 14:24.11 | liable | saw* |
| 14:24.21 | ktwilight_ | ah! apt.conf doesn't know "etch" but knows "stable|testing|unstable" |
| 14:24.26 | ktwilight_ | that's a first... |
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| 14:24.50 | wols_ | liable: k, will do if my alzheimer won't get to the info first |
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| 14:25.36 | liable | wols_: all your feeble mind has to remember is the nick, then lastlog can do the rest ;)\ |
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| 14:25.48 | wols_ | you demand a lot from my mind |
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| 14:27.11 | liable | wols_: i hear ya, but i bet you are like me and remember these silly facts that noone else would. |
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| 14:28.12 | liable | i cant remember the persons name that i just got told, but some silly fact that makes no sense in the big scheme of things, sticks in my brain like shit to a balnket |
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| 14:29.12 | bah | explaint his to me, how can a binary in a folder /1 that is chmoded to 777 run as root not work? how can i get permission errors when everything is 777 |
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| 14:30.12 | kriebel | NFS? SELinux? You're not really root? |
| 14:30.23 | bah | nope |
| 14:30.25 | bah | not nfs |
| 14:30.26 | bah | nor sel |
| 14:30.29 | bah | nothing like that |
| 14:30.35 | bah | just a folder named /1 |
| 14:30.42 | bah | everything 777 |
| 14:30.58 | liable | and the actual binary is 777? |
| 14:30.58 | kriebel | whatever you're doing sounds like a bad idea |
| 14:31.12 | kriebel | run file on it and see what it is, assuming you didn't compile it |
| 14:31.42 | wols_ | and can you run binaries from that filesystem? how is the filesystem mounted? |
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| 14:31.52 | stew | bah: you could get a permission denied error if the first line is #!/some/path and /some/path isn't executable. or perhaps its a binary compiled against a shared library you done have permissin to |
| 14:31.53 | liable | noexec! |
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| 14:33.09 | wols_ | liable: noexec is a good thing to have |
| 14:33.16 | fireba11 | :-D |
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| 14:33.22 | liable | wols_: not really |
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| 14:33.58 | liable | try installing a package with /tmp noexec |
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| 14:34.55 | wols_ | ok, it's not good _evreywhere_ :) |
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| 14:37.02 | liable | bob2 ftw as i had forgotten i had done it, he was onto it |
| 14:37.14 | limpio | does 'bastille' come with a firewall? |
| 14:38.19 | stew | limpio: i doubt it. if it did, it would at least Suggest iptables |
| 14:38.30 | limpio | thx |
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| 14:40.15 | daniel_John | does anybody here program |
| 14:40.20 | Caelum | no |
| 14:40.35 | daniel_John | i need some questions answerd about uml |
| 14:40.43 | kriebel | rofl |
| 14:41.03 | Caelum | daniel_John: try #phb |
| 14:41.26 | daniel_John | php? |
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| 14:41.42 | liable | doubletake |
| 14:41.52 | minus198 | Does anyone know what to do about this: http://dump.myskul.net/files/compizerror.png |
| 14:42.03 | minus198 | #compiz-fusion doesn't answer me |
| 14:42.11 | daniel_John | kriebel, are you for against uml |
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| 14:42.47 | liable | minus198: unfortunately, you are unlikely to get help here for compizzle stuff, best to ask the mailing list |
| 14:42.54 | kriebel | no, just that under the broad umbrella of "programming", UML seemed unlikely to be what you wanted to know |
| 14:42.58 | minus198 | liable, ok |
| 14:43.05 | minus198 | thanks anyways |
| 14:43.35 | daniel_John | kriebel, system analysis is useful for programmers |
| 14:43.45 | daniel_John | kriebel what do you think about this http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html |
| 14:44.06 | fengor | daniel_John: is this debian related? |
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| 14:44.23 | liable | minus198: good luck, and come back and help others if you work it out. we need more people willing to help in this stuff |
| 14:45.16 | minus198 | liable, I will :3 |
| 14:45.21 | Caelum | would putting in a video card disable a built in intel gfx chipset? |
| 14:45.47 | liable | Caelum: your bios is the place to do that |
| 14:45.57 | kriebel | Caelum: depends on the mobo, so don't assume so |
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| 14:46.28 | Caelum | ok, cause I wanted to do xinerama...or am I better off trying to find a card that does dual head? |
| 14:46.50 | kriebel | just try it and find out |
| 14:46.55 | kriebel | run lspci |
| 14:47.00 | liable | thats a completely different question |
| 14:47.28 | daniel_John | fengor if i say im trying to program for linux and i need some kinda methodology in order to do that then yes I think so |
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| 14:48.10 | kriebel | daniel_John: I don't know anyone else with that compulsion |
| 14:48.14 | fengor | well try @software-methodology-for-linux next door then. this channel is more about administration than programming |
| 14:48.27 | Caelum | kriebel: yeah, but if I try it and it doesn't work it's a waste of $100 :P |
| 14:48.39 | daniel_John | fengor ok |
| 14:48.50 | kriebel | Caelum: you have no compatible cards laying around, or friends that do? |
| 14:49.07 | Caelum | not short form factor PCIe ones... |
| 14:49.11 | daniel_John | fengor i did try uml but they dont talk |
| 14:49.38 | Titanous | Can someone help me with this problem with tzdata? http://pastebin.ca/792509 |
| 14:49.48 | kriebel | Caelum: if you don't have a dual-head capable card, but you do have a PCIe mobo, you have no sympathy from me |
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| 14:50.43 | liable | Titanous: have you checked bts? |
| 14:50.46 | Caelum | kriebel: it's what they gave me at work... |
| 14:50.46 | Caelum | dell cube |
| 14:50.57 | methods | is packages for extra xfce taskbar plugins like in ubuntu ? |
| 14:51.29 | Titanous | liable, bts? |
| 14:51.42 | liable | Titanous: bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:52.22 | kriebel | Caelum: ah. If you don't need extreme performance, you can get a card for under $100 |
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| 14:52.37 | kriebel | and maybe get your company to pay for it |
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| 14:52.43 | mooper | where do you need a primary and where do you need an extended partition? |
| 14:52.56 | Titanous | liable, don't see anything there |
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| 14:53.01 | aempi | hi there, i am trying to install sun-java6 |
| 14:53.02 | liable | minus198: what do you mean? |
| 14:53.03 | aempi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.24 | liable | Titanous: you checked for that package????? |
| 14:53.41 | minus198 | liable, that I will be back with info if I solve it :) |
| 14:53.58 | Titanous | liable, yes |
| 14:54.06 | liable | minus198: sorry, wrong nick :) |
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| 14:54.09 | kriebel | mooper: PCs use a disk lable that only supports 4 primary partitoins |
| 14:54.15 | liable | mooper: what do you mean? |
| 14:54.16 | Titanous | liable, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=tzdata |
| 14:54.41 | liable | Titanous: ok, then report the bug |
| 14:54.51 | aempi | hi there, i am trying to install sun-java6 on my vserver, with debian etch, i downloaded the packages from etch-backports, because i have to install it on a vserver, i needed to comment out a line in the postinst file for sun-java6-bin. sun-java6-jre depends on sun-java6-bin, but i can't install my custom build package with dpkg -i packagename.deb because sun-java6-jre is not configured yet... |
| 14:54.52 | minus198 | liable, I see :P |
| 14:54.59 | kriebel | mooper: if you need more, you can make logical partitions in a special kind of primary partition that's called "extended" |
| 14:55.08 | kriebel | iirc |
| 14:55.09 | mooper | kriebel: thanks |
| 14:55.28 | aempi | ...when i try to apt-get install sun-java6-jre , apt-get takes the old package, and not my customized one, and the installation crashes, what could i do? sorry for so much text |
| 14:55.50 | kriebel | mooper: windows can only boot from primary partitions, fyi |
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| 14:56.35 | kriebel | aempi, how do you expect apt-get to install a customized package? |
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| 14:56.51 | aempi | of course, apt-get can't know it |
| 14:56.57 | aempi | but whats the solution? |
| 14:57.13 | ToHellWithGA | mooper: you need primary and extended partitions on an MBR-formatted disc |
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| 14:57.34 | ToHellWithGA | if you could use GPT you can have a tonna primary partitions instead of limiting yourself to 4 |
| 14:57.42 | liable | nasty editing of the info file |
| 14:57.53 | liable | danger lies in that way |
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| 14:58.13 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, did you get debian to boot? |
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| 14:58.22 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: i did, i kinda borked it |
| 14:58.29 | aempi | can i somehow tell apt-get to use my specific package instead of the one from the server? should i just overwrite the old package in the apt cache? |
| 14:58.44 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, as in upgraded? |
| 14:58.47 | kriebel | aempi, just use dpkg directly |
| 14:58.48 | ToHellWithGA | i thought stable/unstable/experimental/testing were variants rather than distributions |
| 14:58.50 | kisa | aempi: just use dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 14:58.59 | ToHellWithGA | so i put them all in my sources.list |
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| 14:59.07 | ToHellWithGA | once i left just sid things ran fine again |
| 14:59.12 | jorgenpt | Any way to reinstall packages with a purge? |
| 14:59.24 | jorgenpt | And any way to see what files a dpkg -P would remove? |
| 14:59.26 | aempi | kisa, kriebel: i'll try that with all three packages |
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| 14:59.26 | liable | jorgenpt: why? |
| 14:59.32 | ToHellWithGA | jorgenpt: sudo aptitude reinstall isn't working for you? |
| 14:59.44 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, only stable is a distribution, the rest is a bug battlefield |
| 14:59.45 | ToHellWithGA | you could dpkg-reconfigure them if you just want to clear their settings |
| 14:59.46 | jorgenpt | I want to reset configuration files |
| 15:00.00 | liable | jorgenpt: and you deleted them? |
| 15:00.00 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: it's just a laptop, i'm willing to take that risk |
| 15:00.01 | jorgenpt | I'm having issues with firefox and flash that a friend of mine isn't |
| 15:00.06 | jorgenpt | liable: No |
| 15:00.21 | jorgenpt | I want to use purge so that dpkg removes them for me |
| 15:00.31 | tralala | ToHellWithGA, okay |
| 15:00.34 | ToHellWithGA | jorgenpt: gnash isn't doing what you want? |
| 15:00.40 | kisa | what are the packaged options for java applet support in iceweasel? all I can find is java-gcj-compat-plugin, but the applet i need to use doesn't work - kaffe, sable etc don't seem to provide plugins as such? |
| 15:01.11 | liable | jorgenpt: in the case of firefox/iceweasel, it wont remove the files in your ~/ directory |
| 15:01.17 | jorgenpt | I'm running nonfree flash |
| 15:01.21 | jorgenpt | liable: That's great :-) |
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| 15:01.39 | liable | jorgenpt: but thats likely to be the problem |
| 15:01.42 | jorgenpt | Oh |
| 15:01.51 | aempi | when i try first: dpkg -i sun-java6-jre, it says that it depends on sun-java6-bin and when i try: dpkg -i sun-java6-bin it says it depends on sun-java6-jre |
| 15:01.53 | aempi | :( |
| 15:01.58 | liable | jorgenpt: whats your actuall problem? |
| 15:02.08 | jorgenpt | If I did DISPLAY=:0 su -c 'firefox', would that use ~root/ instead of ~/? |
| 15:02.09 | ToHellWithGA | tralala: i was having a tough time with compiz fusion and with debian hanging on the login splash screen, but once i removed the conflicting repositories and added a 3rd-party compiz repository to sources.list.d/ things ran munny |
| 15:02.30 | aempi | i think i need to configure both first, and then install both one, after another, but i don't know how |
| 15:02.33 | ToHellWithGA | about 1GB less than my ubuntu installation with almost all of the software i used over on that side |
| 15:02.35 | jorgenpt | I'm having issues with non-free flash & flv; having desynced audio on some files (e.g. youtube) and refusing to play others. |
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| 15:03.03 | kriebel | yjsy |
| 15:03.06 | kriebel | oops |
| 15:03.14 | ToHellWithGA | i didn't know you needed root privileges to run firefox |
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| 15:03.21 | ToHellWithGA | that seems kinda insecure |
| 15:03.24 | liable | jorgenpt: try making a new user and see what gives when you try then |
| 15:03.26 | kriebel | jorgenpt, that's because flash sucks. It's not a debian thing |
| 15:03.49 | liable | true, but not helpfull |
| 15:03.53 | jorgenpt | kriebel: The strange thing is that a friend running the same version of Debian has no issues with the same videos. |
| 15:04.03 | jorgenpt | ToHellWithGA: You don't, it's just to test with a fresh $HOME |
| 15:04.21 | jorgenpt | I could perhaps just mv .mozilla .mozilla-old and test. |
| 15:04.30 | liable | yes |
| 15:04.58 | liable | restart the weasel of course |
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| 15:06.02 | DawnLight | i have an issue with bridging and the allow-hotplug feature. i wasn't able to solve it for some time now. i think it may be quite simple but it isn't documented, at least where i looked anyway. can anone help me witht this? /etc/network/interfaces > http://paste.debian.net/43042. The problem with this configuration is that the server isn't always on and so it brings up the bridge when it shouldn't. using 'allow-hotplug' insted of 'auto' on the |
| 15:06.02 | DawnLight | bridge device doesn't bring it up (didn't expect it to, really). how can i make the bridge device go up only when the server is up? |
| 15:06.27 | jorgenpt | liable: Yes, closed it, moved, opened it |
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| 15:07.42 | liable | DawnLight: you could have the bridge bit in a post-up, which tests for the connection first i guess |
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| 15:08.54 | DawnLight | liable: you mean a post-up of an "iface eth1 inet dhcp" stanza? |
| 15:09.28 | liable | DawnLight: yes, check out /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 15:09.40 | DawnLight | liable: didn't find any help there |
| 15:09.52 | liable | DawnLight: then man intefaces |
| 15:10.05 | DawnLight | i read those |
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| 15:10.22 | liable | DawnLight: a post-up will run once the interface is up, and you can get it to do whatever you like |
| 15:10.28 | DawnLight | what you're suggesting can be done i guess |
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| 15:10.59 | DawnLight | but that sort of beats the purpose of the ifupdown scripts |
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| 15:11.12 | aempi | http://paste.debian.net/43080 here is the output, maybe my problem becomes more clear this way |
| 15:11.20 | liable | no, its part of the whole thing |
| 15:11.42 | stew | aempi: dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:11.43 | CalJohn | when I run vrms, it lists two packages has having status "dei". What is this status? |
| 15:11.56 | stew | aempi: is there a reason you are installing these packages with dpkg intead of using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 15:11.59 | liable | DawnLight: ifupdown are just scripts in themselves, extending them is what you need to do |
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| 15:12.28 | liable | DawnLight: which is what post-up allows you to do |
| 15:12.36 | DawnLight | i'd really like to be able to put something like "hotplug-dev eth1" inside the iface br1 stanza, you know what i mean? |
| 15:13.03 | jorgenpt | Meh, this got severly hard to debug due to me not having _ANY_ audio output atm |
| 15:13.05 | DawnLight | so that br1 would be put up when eth1 is plugged |
| 15:13.10 | liable | i have no idea what hotplug-foo does |
| 15:13.29 | DawnLight | thats because i just made that up |
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| 15:13.48 | aempi | stew: yes, i had to modify the sun-java6-bin package |
| 15:13.54 | liable | DawnLight: see the ifplugd package |
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| 15:14.08 | DawnLight | hmmm... /me does |
| 15:14.12 | stew | aempi: out of curiosity, why did you have to modify it? |
| 15:14.30 | neotic | if i want a bridge to start at boot, why doesn't this work in /etc/network/interfaces: |
| 15:14.34 | neotic | iface eth0 inet static |
| 15:14.36 | neotic | up brctl addbr vzbr0 brctl addif vzbr0 eth0 |
| 15:14.40 | neotic | && between vzbr0 and brctl ofc.. |
| 15:15.11 | XTF | Hi. What is the D state for a process in ps? |
| 15:15.14 | aempi | stew: it crashes when you try to install it on a vserver because the host system shows the vserver 4gig of ram, but the vserver itself just has 128mb, the java installation routine tries to create a VM , the VM tries to allocate much more memory than the 128 mb |
| 15:15.36 | DawnLight | neotic: i don't want it to start at boot. i want it to start when hotplug detects eth1 to be up |
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| 15:15.48 | liable | neotic: dunno, that just looks wrong |
| 15:15.51 | neotic | DawnLight: ? i'm not talking to you :D |
| 15:15.58 | DawnLight | ah! |
| 15:15.59 | neotic | liable: yea, |
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| 15:16.25 | stew | aempi: well anyway, running "dpkg -i pkg1 pkg2 pkg3" (to install them all at once) should wrok. now that you have them installed but not configured, "dpkg --configure -a" should configure them |
| 15:16.26 | aempi | the installation just stops then, so you need to comment out the line where the java vm is created, the installation runs through, and after the installation it works when you try to start the vm by yourself |
| 15:16.41 | aempi | thanks stew configuration worked. |
| 15:16.45 | aempi | i installed, bin and jre |
| 15:17.05 | aempi | but "man java" and "java" don't have any effect, i think i missed one package |
| 15:17.06 | GuHHH | can anyone help me with a simple question about dns configuration? what means exactly the 'forward only' option? I'm trying to set a dns cache server. |
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| 15:19.30 | liable | darkapostrophe: i thought i told you before, every time you install a new kernel, you need to make the modules. |
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| 15:20.12 | mortan | hi guys! anyone uses lighttpd? |
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| 15:20.20 | jorgenpt | Well, liable, that seemed to help |
| 15:20.44 | liable | jorgenpt: hrm, what were we doing again? |
| 15:21.00 | jorgenpt | liable: Flash audio desync |
| 15:21.06 | mortan | to be more specific: lighttpd and ssl. anyone? |
| 15:21.09 | liable | jorgenpt: ah, good |
| 15:21.10 | Penix | mortan: tried #lighttpd? |
| 15:21.23 | jorgenpt | I'm going to copy back the .mozilla, and try closing all my tabs, then restart it |
| 15:21.31 | jorgenpt | I have like ~25ish tabs |
| 15:21.35 | mortan | Penix: no, i have a debian specific question |
| 15:22.13 | mortan | Penix: the problem ist, that you have to spawn two lighttpd daemons if you want normal http and http over ssl. |
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| 15:22.50 | jorgenpt | Heh, I have "Show my windows and tabs from last time" |
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| 15:23.00 | jorgenpt | I should perhaps use bookmarks instead. But then it'd be so many :p |
| 15:23.10 | jorgenpt | Yeah, that seems to be the problem. |
| 15:23.15 | mortan | Penix: Debian brings config files for both situations, but i dislike the solution copying the lighttpd binarys to another place and create a second init script... there must be a clean solution for this |
| 15:23.21 | jorgenpt | Annoying that many tabs = desynced audio |
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| 15:24.52 | jorgenpt | But I'm still having issues with some videos not being played |
| 15:24.53 | jorgenpt | Only audio |
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| 15:30.03 | Ace2016 | have you tried mplayer? |
| 15:30.14 | Ace2016 | i use mplayer to play everything |
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| 15:30.34 | methods | is iceweasel just some cut down version of firefox ? |
| 15:30.35 | Ace2016 | oh make sure to have the w32codecs installed and libdvdcss too |
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| 15:30.57 | graytron | iceweasel is a better name for firefox |
| 15:30.58 | Ace2016 | methods: not cut down, the name firefox is copyrighted so debian thought they'd use their own name |
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| 15:31.11 | Ace2016 | but it also has some other patches and stuff to improve security |
| 15:31.22 | methods | lol |
| 15:32.01 | methods | yea but if i install firefox why do i get iceweasel... there should be firefox on those non-free type of repos right ? |
| 15:32.19 | graytron | methods: you also get better looking logos for the same price |
| 15:32.55 | odla | methods: if you want mozilla's firefox ... you need to get it from their website ... if you want the unbranded with non-free bits removed use iceweasel |
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| 15:33.49 | Ace2016 | oh well if your going to get firefox get the beta version |
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| 15:34.54 | methods | does xfce provide something like kdesu ? |
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| 15:35.14 | odla | methods: you could just install gksu |
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| 15:35.39 | methods | thanks |
| 15:35.50 | motin_0 | in htop I very often see the cpu bar being filled up 100%, but often more than half the length is colored in read - how do I see which processes is causing this? the list seem only to show the "green" cpu usage... |
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| 15:36.23 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 15:36.32 | SamuraiDio | do someone there uses E17? |
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| 15:37.13 | Caelum | isn't that like, ancient? |
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| 15:37.34 | DawnLight | "ifplugd is a Linux daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. This is useful on laptops with onboard network adapters, since it will only configure the interface when a cable is really connected." ... but the ifupdown allow-hotplug already does this and this is default in debian, so why is this package needed? because it can beep? who's |
| 15:37.39 | DawnLight | actually using this? |
| 15:37.59 | DawnLight | is there a mailing list where users are ifupdown wizards? |
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| 15:39.19 | mesut | hi |
| 15:39.37 | mesut | can we make a loop (ie a disk image) device for /tmp ? |
| 15:40.13 | Eulex | mesut, sure. |
| 15:40.14 | SamuraiDio | Caelum, talked to me? |
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| 15:41.00 | mesut | Eulex, thanks,to clearify,i forgot to setup a seperate /tmp ,and i want to mount it with noexec option |
| 15:41.19 | Eulex | mesut, should be very possible. |
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| 15:41.27 | jelly | DawnLight: ifplugd existed before allow-hotplug functionality was added, I think |
| 15:42.18 | minus198 | Does anyone know how to solve why I cant look at properties in Nautilus? It just crashes when I do that.. I've found that a reboot solves it, but that doesn't sound like linux xD |
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| 15:54.53 | amol | how to recover deleted file using debugfs....i am new to linux |
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| 15:57.28 | wols_ | amol: ext3? |
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| 15:57.53 | amol | wols_:s it is ext3 |
| 15:58.08 | wols_ | Eulex: ever tried to install something when /tmp is noexec? |
| 15:58.11 | wols_ | !undelete |
| 15:58.11 | dpkg | methinks undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 15:58.27 | jorgenpt | Ace2016: Does mplayer play flash? :o |
| 15:59.04 | Eulex | wols_, actually never had a noexec /tmp |
| 16:00.41 | Judgen_ | anyone now how todo netstat -atop in solaris`? |
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| 16:02.02 | cusco | Judgen_: /j solaris |
| 16:02.11 | wols_ | Eulex: dpkg/debconf will be _very_ unhappy |
| 16:02.12 | Judgen_ | they are sleeepy |
| 16:02.13 | Judgen_ | :) |
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| 16:02.21 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 16:02.21 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 16:03.15 | amol | wols_:how to recover file in ext3? |
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| 16:06.06 | wols_ | amol: backups. what part of " With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL" didn't you understand? |
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| 16:08.17 | jelly | wols_: the sool part? |
| 16:08.39 | patrick-- | can someone tell me, why this script executes as a shell, but wont work as a cronjob? http://nopaste.php-quake.net/9933 |
| 16:08.49 | jelly | !sol |
| 16:08.50 | dpkg | sol is probably Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
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| 16:12.55 | Led_Zeppelin1 | anyone here use GNU screen? How do you change the size of the window in a split screen? |
| 16:13.13 | kriebel | oh man, you can split a screen? |
| 16:13.40 | amol | wols_:i am using ext3. |
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| 16:14.46 | kriebel | patrick--, is /home/noz/users.log world writeable? |
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| 16:16.19 | cahoot | Led_Zeppelin1: c-a resize xx (lines)? |
| 16:16.22 | Led_Zeppelin1 | kriebel: yah, ca+S |
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| 16:17.07 | kriebel | well cool |
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| 16:18.38 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:19.00 | gypsymauro | I've to install 2 new scsi disc on my machine |
| 16:19.16 | gypsymauro | how I can be sure on the name that the will take at the boot? |
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| 16:19.33 | torr | can anyone recommend a good skype2phone adapter? |
| 16:19.44 | wsdo_okadr | is there any command that would let me to cut from a movie a section between two times ? |
| 16:19.46 | wols_ | torr: how is this debian related? |
| 16:20.01 | wsdo_okadr | is there any command that would let me to cut from a movie a section between two times ? |
| 16:20.02 | torr | wols_: .. that works good in debian? |
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| 16:20.11 | wols_ | torr: is skype debian software? |
| 16:20.24 | wsdo_okadr | wols_: no wai |
| 16:20.28 | torr | wols_: the adapter is hardware |
| 16:20.29 | wsdo_okadr | is there any command that would let me to cut from a movie a section between two times ? |
| 16:20.34 | wols_ | torr: is debian hardware? |
| 16:20.42 | torr | wols_: no |
| 16:20.50 | wols_ | torr: is skype debian software? |
| 16:20.53 | wsdo_okadr | wols_: how sarcastic are we today ? |
| 16:21.01 | wols_ | wsdo_okadr: as much as torr requires |
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| 16:23.15 | cusco | nor skype is debian software nor skype's hardware has anything to do with linux... |
| 16:24.46 | cusco | wsdo_okadr: apt-cache search editing video |
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| 16:25.00 | ruben_ | Hello, using sudo, how can I do something like that? zabbix ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/bin/su - ruben |
| 16:25.18 | torr | wols_: is there a voip that is debain? |
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| 16:26.13 | kriebel | wsdo_okadr, I've used a program called gopchop, but it's uses are limited |
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| 16:29.07 | wols_ | torr: openwengo, openphone afaik. and of course asterisk |
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| 16:29.54 | Caelum | ruben_: that should work |
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| 16:35.49 | ALEJO22 | hola alguna chica |
| 16:35.56 | phaidros | torr: smc skypephone ?? ;) |
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| 16:41.32 | eth01 | linux VOIP. |
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| 16:41.44 | alexfranci | hello |
| 16:41.49 | alexfranci | i have some troubles with lirc |
| 16:41.55 | alexfranci | can anybody help me' |
| 16:42.07 | Ronin | !tell alexfranci about ask |
| 16:42.40 | Aciid | How come Apache know where from to show "phpsysinfo" when its installed? |
| 16:42.55 | Aciid | /usr/share/phpsysinfo is not in any of apache2's config files |
| 16:42.59 | Aciid | A MYSTERY |
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| 16:43.05 | eth01 | <php? phpinfo(); ?> |
| 16:43.16 | alexfranci | yes, Ronin you are right, but i didn't keep writing because i ran into the solution |
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| 16:43.19 | alexfranci | tnks howere |
| 16:43.22 | alexfranci | *however |
| 16:43.23 | Ronin | heh |
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| 16:44.03 | eth01 | errrr, <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 16:44.49 | Aciid | Its not there.. |
| 16:44.55 | Aciid | Where the freak is that information |
| 16:45.00 | eth01 | Aciid: it won't. |
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| 16:45.12 | eth01 | Do you mean server-status?] |
| 16:45.33 | Aciid | No, im trying to find where is "alias phpsysinfo /usr/share/phpsysinfo" |
| 16:45.43 | wols_ | Aciid: why? |
| 16:45.51 | Aciid | I want to know where from its included |
| 16:45.52 | wols_ | Aciid: what are you actually doing? |
| 16:46.00 | Aciid | trying to find the file that has that line |
| 16:46.10 | wols_ | why do you think such a line exists? |
| 16:46.22 | eth01 | do a locate. |
| 16:46.29 | Aciid | because it has an alias for /phpsysinfo /usr/share/phpsysinfo |
| 16:46.38 | Aciid | thats why i think it has that line _Somewhere_ |
| 16:47.00 | wols_ | Aciid: there is NO file in your /. except vmlinut oissuvky |
| 16:47.04 | eth01 | Aciid: /phpsysinfo is /phpsysinfo ... not /usr/share/phpsysinfo |
| 16:47.18 | wols_ | so maybe you should start asking sane questions |
| 16:47.32 | wols_ | *except vmlinuz possibly |
| 16:47.35 | Aciid | eth01: ... |
| 16:47.37 | Aciid | i mean |
| 16:47.53 | Aciid | where in config file there is a statement for "alias /phpsysinfo /usr/share/phpsysinfo" |
| 16:48.03 | Aciid | go read apache2 documentation.... |
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| 16:48.05 | wols_ | why should there be? |
| 16:48.13 | Aciid | because has that. |
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| 16:48.21 | Aciid | myserver.com/phpsysinfo |
| 16:48.25 | Aciid | there is that -> |
| 16:48.30 | Aciid | oh it was in htdocs |
| 16:48.32 | wols_ | all apache config is in /etc/apache2/. nowhere else in debian |
| 16:48.33 | Aciid | sorry bout everything |
| 16:48.41 | Aciid | it was in htdocs |
| 16:48.43 | wols_ | a simgple grep would suffice, but believe me there probably isn't one there |
| 16:48.43 | Aciid | /var/www |
| 16:48.45 | Aciid | im sorryyyy |
| 16:48.46 | jeward | Even when I specify port 873 on the command line, rsync is timing out on port 22? |
| 16:49.20 | eth01 | Aciid: by default, /var/www/ |
| 16:49.23 | tabris|away | jeward: you need to specify the URI correctly |
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| 16:49.31 | XoX | what's VFS-lock |
| 16:49.46 | tabris|away | jeward: try rsync -a hostname::/path/to/source dest/ |
| 16:49.55 | jeward | jeward@lucy:~$ sudo rsync -rav --password-file=/etc/rsync.password t george@kw40.chinoc.net:873/george |
| 16:49.57 | Aciid | eth01: found it allready |
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| 16:50.02 | tabris|away | jeward: or, try this: rsync =a rsync://hostname/path/to/source dest/ |
| 16:50.04 | Aciid | im sorry for all |
| 16:50.15 | jeward | tabris|away: Isn't mine right? |
| 16:50.17 | tabris|away | jeward: oops, not =a but -a |
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| 16:50.38 | tabris|away | jeward: no, a) you can't specify the port like that |
| 16:50.48 | tabris|away | jeward: b) if you drop the port number, and use a double colon, it should work. |
| 16:51.01 | jeward | tabris|away: Okay, it times out on port 22 whether I specify the port or not. |
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| 16:51.25 | tabris|away | jeward: single colon: SSH. double-colon: rsync protocol |
| 16:51.29 | tabris|away | jeward: clearly you want rsync protocol. |
| 16:51.41 | jeward | tabris|away: Oh, thanks! |
| 16:51.55 | tabris|away | jeward: _or_ try rsync://hostname/path |
| 16:51.58 | tabris|away | jeward: that might be more obvious. |
| 16:52.20 | jeward | tabris|away: Thanks, I think I've got it now! |
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| 16:55.25 | Deceptic1n__ | i was told to put all my aliases into .bash_login, ive done so, but i cant see any of them take effect when i login and have etch list my aliases w/ command 'alias' |
| 16:58.19 | cahoot | Deceptic1n: try .bashrc? |
| 16:58.27 | Deceptic1n__ | cahoot: i was advised against that |
| 16:58.40 | Deceptic1n__ | thats what i was doing the whole time... and i was advised to put it all in .bash_login instead and change something |
| 16:58.46 | Deceptic1n__ | i apparently havent changed "something" |
| 16:58.53 | Deceptic1n__ | what is that something |
| 16:59.12 | cahoot | Deceptic1n: ok - I'm doing it all wrong then ;) |
| 16:59.16 | Deceptic1n__ | Samus_Aran> Decepticon__: I recommend putting commands into ~/.bash_login and then setting your X terminal to do a proper login shell (set the command to: bash --login) |
| 16:59.36 | Deceptic1n__ | proper login shell? |
| 17:00.20 | Deceptic1n__ | Samus_Aran> Decepticon__: .bashrc is only run when a non-login shell is started. .bash_login is run when a login shell is started. most X terminals by default do a non-login shell, and logging in on TTY will always do a login shell |
| 17:00.25 | Deceptic1n__ | thats what i was told |
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| 17:02.41 | Darx | is there anyway i can install remote desktop on debian? |
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| 17:02.50 | petemc | aptitude install rdesktop |
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| 17:03.15 | petemc | assuming you mean client |
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| 17:03.47 | Darx | so i can connect to it remoteley via an exp machine |
| 17:03.58 | Deceptic1n__ | use vnc? |
| 17:04.02 | petemc | you can use vnc or nx for that |
| 17:04.19 | kriebel | I've never heard of a .bash_login, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There's .bash_profile though |
| 17:04.25 | Darx | ahh ok perfect |
| 17:04.28 | kriebel | although I've never un-knotted that mess |
| 17:04.35 | Darx | also is there a tutorial for configuring |
| 17:04.50 | Darx | ssh properly and another tutorial for securing your debian box? |
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| 17:04.54 | Deceptic1n__ | kriebel: its mentioned in man bash, its in the load order for bash |
| 17:04.56 | Darx | cant find much about does two on google |
| 17:04.56 | Darx | :S |
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| 17:05.32 | Deceptic1n__ | anyway i guess ill stick to .bashrc like cahoot |
| 17:05.50 | wols_ | !tell Darx about harden |
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| 17:06.04 | kriebel | Deceptic1n__ : have you logged all the way out and back in again? |
| 17:06.05 | Darx | and ssh? |
| 17:06.09 | Darx | !tell darx about ssh setup |
| 17:06.10 | Darx | :s |
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| 17:06.22 | wols_ | !tell Darx about msg the bot |
| 17:06.27 | wols_ | Darx: just install it? |
| 17:06.30 | Deceptic1n__ | kriebel: im only able to login via ssh, i have no local access... so ive got multiple ssh sessions and vnc started |
| 17:07.25 | Darx | wols_ iv installed ssh |
| 17:07.25 | Darx | but configuring it |
| 17:07.25 | Darx | not sure how to |
| 17:07.25 | Darx | linux noob <--- |
| 17:07.32 | wols_ | !tell Darx about enter |
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| 17:07.51 | wols_ | Darx: if it's installed what is the problem you have with it? |
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| 17:08.13 | kriebel | I'm guessing he doesn't have a problem, he just expects it to be complicated |
| 17:08.15 | Darx | ol |
| 17:08.19 | Darx | lol |
| 17:08.22 | wols_ | !lol |
| 17:08.22 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:08.23 | Darx | ssh needs to be configured... |
| 17:08.26 | Darx | told which port etc |
| 17:08.33 | wols_ | Darx: not it doesn't |
| 17:08.33 | Ronin | Darx: 22 by default |
| 17:08.36 | Darx | what users can access it etc |
| 17:08.37 | Darx | .... |
| 17:08.42 | Ronin | all ready configured for that |
| 17:08.45 | Darx | i want people to be able to SSH to my pc |
| 17:08.45 | S2AnGeL | I am getting a can not find mysql.sock error was working fine yesterday reboot now mysql will not start up.. any mysql pros here tip me the right spot.. |
| 17:08.47 | wols_ | your system users can |
| 17:08.59 | wols_ | S2AnGeL: yes. your logs |
| 17:08.59 | Darx | we both talking about OpenSSH right? |
| 17:09.09 | wols_ | Darx: yes we do |
| 17:09.46 | Darx | i remmber ages ago |
| 17:09.49 | Darx | i had to configure it.. |
| 17:09.54 | Darx | cant remmeber which file di edited |
| 17:09.56 | wols_ | !enter |
| 17:09.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:10.00 | S2AnGeL | it tells me that the file is not there and its not.. do I create one ? not even sure what the mysql.sock file is for?! |
| 17:10.02 | wols_ | Darx: configure to do WHAT? |
| 17:10.17 | wols_ | S2AnGeL: have you checked your logs? |
| 17:10.18 | Darx | to tell it what port, to tell it not to allow root login etc |
| 17:10.22 | S2AnGeL | yes I have |
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| 17:10.30 | dto | hello folks. i'm trying to set up FAI but the boot from the client fails (says that it failed to mount /root via unionfs because of "no such device" |
| 17:10.30 | Ronin | Darx: man sshd |
| 17:10.34 | wols_ | Darx: /etc/ssh/ |
| 17:10.35 | S2AnGeL | thats how I found out it could not find this file.. |
| 17:10.43 | cahoot | man sshd_config |
| 17:10.46 | wols_ | S2AnGeL: that is not a mysql error |
| 17:10.48 | Darx | sshd_config |
| 17:10.49 | Darx | thats it |
| 17:10.49 | S2AnGeL | first thing I do when something goes bad is check the logs |
| 17:10.49 | Ronin | oops |
| 17:10.52 | Darx | thank you very much! |
| 17:10.55 | Ronin | damn fingers |
| 17:11.03 | cahoot | fngrs? |
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| 17:11.09 | Deceptic1n | Darx: read through /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:11.15 | dto | I'm using lenny. on #fai, the answer is "lenny's initramfs/nfs/unionfs stuff must be broken, although we admit we only tested it on etch" |
| 17:11.21 | wols_ | S2AnGeL: your mysql client told you that it couldn't find the .sock file most probably. not your server |
| 17:11.25 | Ronin | cahoot: i was going for man sshd_config but hit enter on man sshd |
| 17:11.35 | cahoot | fgrs |
| 17:11.43 | cahoot | ;) |
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| 17:11.56 | wols_ | dto: why are you not using the etch installer? |
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| 17:12.18 | Darx | apt-get instal vnc? |
| 17:12.26 | dto | wols_: because i'm using lenny |
| 17:12.36 | Deceptic1n | *apt-get install vnc |
| 17:12.42 | wols_ | dto: the lenny installer is a beta. only for testing, finding bugs |
| 17:12.55 | Darx | thanks would help if i could spell |
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| 17:13.37 | Deceptic1n | theres tons of vnc options |
| 17:13.44 | dto | wols_: when you say lenny installer, you mean the thing that tries to run when the client boots via FAI? |
| 17:13.57 | dto | but what if i want to use FAI to create lenny systems? |
| 17:14.03 | S2AnGeL | humm.. syslog:Cannot assign requested address... mysqld server running on port: 3306 ?... |
| 17:14.11 | wols_ | dto: it's testing, it has bugs. deal with it |
| 17:14.20 | wols_ | dto: you can always file bug reports |
| 17:14.21 | S2AnGeL | maybe it can not start cause of a config error.. |
| 17:14.24 | zicho | Does anyone know how to make an upside down exclamation point? |
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| 17:14.35 | S2AnGeL | but it was running fine till I rebooted it I dunno |
| 17:14.38 | dto | wols_: i guess i should use etch then huh |
| 17:14.42 | cahoot | ¡ |
| 17:14.56 | nexxu | hello, I wish to subscribe to a debian security related and update mailing list. Does anyone know if there is such a list ? |
| 17:14.56 | wols_ | cahoot: is it a cat or a spider that's on your keyboard? |
| 17:15.05 | wols_ | !security |
| 17:15.05 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> |
| 17:15.06 | cahoot | wols_: was cat |
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| 17:15.21 | zicho | cahoot: How'd you do that? |
| 17:15.23 | haole | hey there... i installed debian etch 4.0, and later upgraded it to lenny... since then, all new linux-image-2.6.xx packages won't boot, and i get several errors about IDE on the startup |
| 17:15.24 | wols_ | nik11: there is such a list |
| 17:15.27 | haole | can anybody help me? |
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| 17:15.39 | wols_ | !tell haole about errors |
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| 17:15.46 | eth01 | !tell haole about ask |
| 17:15.47 | nexxu | wols_ which one ? |
| 17:15.48 | Darx | can you get flash for debian? |
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| 17:15.56 | cahoot | zicho: (swedish keyboard) alt-gr + 1 |
| 17:15.57 | wols_ | !tell Darx about flash |
| 17:16.05 | wols_ | nexxu: dpkg just told you |
| 17:16.17 | wols_ | nexxu: check security.debian.org |
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| 17:16.27 | nexxu | wols_ ok 10q |
| 17:16.31 | haole | but i don't know how to get a log for my error if my kernel won't boot!!! |
| 17:16.40 | wols_ | haole: but there are errors |
| 17:16.43 | haole | it's something like "failed to load some devices" |
| 17:16.53 | S2AnGeL | I use krdc to connect to vnc servers.. and I run krfb to seve vnc so I can see the desktop |
| 17:16.54 | zicho | cahoot: sweet, ty! ¡Fantastico! |
| 17:16.54 | wols_ | haole: come back with the EXACT error description |
| 17:16.58 | haole | failed to IDeNTIFY |
| 17:17.06 | haole | ok, i'll try |
| 17:17.08 | S2AnGeL | buit into kde krfb |
| 17:17.10 | haole | sorry |
| 17:17.16 | kriebel | !tell kriebel about flash |
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| 17:17.22 | wols_ | !tell kriebel about selftell |
| 17:17.22 | haole | is there a way to get the log on a crashing kernel? |
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| 17:17.40 | wols_ | haole: not really. well ther is via serial console but I doubt you can set that up |
| 17:17.55 | cahoot | zicho: jaså det stämde för dig |
| 17:17.56 | haole | not easily :) |
| 17:18.05 | haole | well, gonna take notes down and come back |
| 17:18.05 | zicho | cahoot: ja det gjorde det =) |
| 17:18.07 | jelly | !shows |
| 17:18.07 | haole | thanks wols_ |
| 17:18.11 | wols_ | cahoot: please reign in your cat |
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| 17:18.22 | cahoot | okok |
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| 17:19.56 | Darx | E: Couldn't find package flushplugin-nonfree |
| 17:19.56 | Darx | Node-Two:/home/securicore# apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:19.56 | Darx | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:19.56 | Darx | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 17:19.56 | Darx | E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 17:19.58 | jelly | swedish got me to mistake the channel as some other one. :-) |
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| 17:20.17 | S2AnGeL | wols_: turns out I do not have my loopback configured correctly .. thanks for sorta making me thingk.. need more people like you |
| 17:20.28 | S2AnGeL | for my msql failing to start problem |
| 17:20.39 | wols_ | $deity help us if more people like me exist |
| 17:20.51 | Deceptic1n | does debian etch have some security measures for repeated ssh login failures like blocking ip address for a couple of hours ? |
| 17:20.55 | wols_ | !tell Darx about paste |
| 17:21.03 | wols_ | !tell Deceptic1n about fail2ban |
| 17:21.05 | cahoot | Deceptic1n: fail2ban |
| 17:21.07 | wols_ | Deceptic1n: not enabled by default |
| 17:21.24 | Deceptic1n | fail2ban is a package? |
| 17:21.25 | cahoot | Deceptic1n: just disable pw logins |
| 17:21.37 | Deceptic1n | cahoot: then how do i login |
| 17:21.43 | cahoot | passphrase |
| 17:21.57 | Maulkin | Keys |
| 17:21.57 | wols_ | Deceptic1n: public/private keypair |
| 17:22.02 | cahoot | Deceptic1n: keybased is maybe the term |
| 17:22.10 | wols_ | cahoot: a passphrase is a password. just a long one |
| 17:22.22 | Darx | so what does contrib do exactly |
| 17:22.29 | wols_ | !tell Darx about contrib |
| 17:22.31 | eth01 | don't use fail2ban... use APF and BFD together :) |
| 17:22.37 | Deceptic1n | APF ? BFD? |
| 17:23.57 | eth01 | Advaned Policy Firewall. |
| 17:23.57 | Deceptic1n | so basically i should switch over to keys based authentication for my ssh |
| 17:23.57 | eth01 | (Brute Force Detection) |
| 17:23.57 | Deceptic1n | what happens to people who dont have the key and try to login? does it get logged by default? |
| 17:23.57 | eth01 | !apf |
| 17:24.19 | wols_ | eth01: is apf in debian? |
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| 17:25.49 | eth01 | wols_: no... |
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| 17:26.06 | eth01 | wols_: its private, copyrighted. |
| 17:26.10 | Darx | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:26.11 | Darx | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:26.15 | Darx | contrib non-free |
| 17:26.16 | Darx | thats right? |
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| 17:27.20 | amen | i have hostname "kundalini" but my router read "yuna" at my ip! it's so strange! |
| 17:27.21 | wols_ | eth01: then please stop advertising it in #debian |
| 17:27.34 | wols_ | amen: hostname isn't DNS |
| 17:27.54 | petawolf2083 | how to install Gnome from console machine? with what package should i start installation? |
| 17:28.02 | eth01 | wols_: i'm not advertising, i'm suggesting. moron. |
| 17:28.05 | wols_ | !tell petawolf2083 about install gnome |
| 17:28.30 | wols_ | eth01: don't do this. and non-free software in #debian IS advertising or even spamming |
| 17:28.59 | eth01 | wols: I beg your pardon? go back into the corner and play with your lego, where you obviously belong. |
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| 17:29.25 | wols_ | eth01: please behave |
| 17:29.31 | amen | wols_: who said DNS? |
| 17:29.35 | eth01 | wols |
| 17:29.44 | eth01 | wols_: don't patronise me ;) |
| 17:29.46 | wols_ | amen: your router. it can only know what's in DNS |
| 17:30.07 | wols_ | eth01: people who behave like kids get talked to like the kids they are |
| 17:30.09 | Darx | wols_.. |
| 17:30.32 | eth01 | wols_: then If i'm a 'kid' don't ruin your reputation. |
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| 17:31.17 | Darx | god damn it :P |
| 17:31.20 | Darx | stop arguing |
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| 17:31.25 | Darx | and do more damn helping! |
| 17:31.40 | wols_ | Darx: stop misusing enter. and do some work on your own for a change. less handholding |
| 17:32.00 | Darx | wols_ i prefer hand holding :P |
| 17:32.06 | wols_ | we don't |
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| 17:32.57 | amen | wols_: it was an old configuration static client |
| 17:32.59 | petawolf2083 | another desktop recommend except from kde and gnome? and X must be installed before installing desktop environment right? |
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| 17:33.16 | eth01 | wols: you're not 'we', you are an 'A' item - which is starting to really, quite really, get on my god-damn nerves. |
| 17:33.22 | wols_ | petawolf2083: X is not necessary to install a desktop |
| 17:33.43 | wols_ | eth01: then complain to the ops. but don't forget to call them "moron" first. it helps |
| 17:33.53 | wols_ | petawolf2083: you might look at xfce |
| 17:34.01 | eth01 | wols_: nah. i'm not that pathetic. lol. |
| 17:34.09 | wols_ | !lol |
| 17:34.09 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:34.20 | eth01 | what a shame :( |
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| 17:34.22 | eth01 | lol |
| 17:34.23 | azeem | eth01, wols_: please either stop or take this conversation to a /query |
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| 17:35.17 | eth01 | !bot |
| 17:35.18 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 17:35.25 | eth01 | lol |
| 17:35.34 | azeem | eth01: please /msg the bot |
| 17:35.39 | wfq | Hi |
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| 17:36.27 | petawolf2083 | hi wfq |
| 17:36.43 | wfq | the first entries I see in the output of the command 'locale -a' are the ones that rules the system? http://dpaste.com/25528/ |
| 17:37.06 | wols_ | wfq: cat /etc/environment |
| 17:38.07 | niklassss | Do you guys know of a disk analyzing tool with easy to understand output? I'm getting some error messages for a hard drive when booting, and want to check if this is because of the hard drive being broken. |
| 17:38.11 | wfq | wols_ but with that I can not see if my system is using iso or utf8, can I? |
| 17:38.24 | wols_ | niklassss: msartmontools |
| 17:38.30 | wols_ | wfq: you can |
| 17:38.50 | wols_ | by default, etch uses utf8 btw |
| 17:38.50 | niklassss | wols_: thank you, I will give it a try |
| 17:39.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | I built ALSA into my kernel (not as a module, but monolithically) |
| 17:39.08 | Deceptic1n | is there a way to copy a large folder (and its multiple subfolders + files) over to another destination (same computer; diff hdd) in cli with a progress bar and ETA msg? |
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| 17:39.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it possible to tell the ALSA driver to use model=toshiba? |
| 17:39.49 | wfq | wols_, yes but I am using 'SARGE'. This is my administrator's present :). My /etc/environment shows me so http://dpaste.com/25529/ |
| 17:39.59 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: yes. in modrobe.d or such |
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| 17:40.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: It's not a module |
| 17:40.11 | wols_ | Deceptic1n: use mc |
| 17:40.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols_: It's built straight into the kernel |
| 17:40.21 | Deceptic1n | wols_: ok thanks |
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| 17:40.23 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: then a kernel parameter |
| 17:40.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I pass one? |
| 17:40.37 | wols_ | by editing your menu.lst |
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| 17:41.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | So, to tell the snd-hda-intel driver to use model=toshiba, what do I write? |
| 17:41.17 | jelly | hi. I'm trying to send mail to a local domain foo.example.org, which only has no MX record, has an A record, and PTR points to some other name. How can I convince exim4-daemon-light to send the mail to the machine pointed by the A record, instead of doing 2007-11-21 18:36:52 1IutVM-0001Tk-J7 ** jelly@foo.example.org: Unrouteable address |
| 17:41.24 | wols_ | wfq: iso8859-1 then I guess |
| 17:41.44 | niklassss | wols_: I don't think smartmontools is what I'm looking for, because the hard drive does not mount so I cannot run it and analyze while using it. |
| 17:41.54 | cahoot | Dark_Apostrophe: kernelparameters.txt might be worth a study |
| 17:41.58 | ebbs | Hi! Did anybody hear from problems, while using java on gnome? (debian/lenny) Im using eclipse and in its debugging mode. After starting the debugging mode, then setting a breakpoint and then changing something in the program to trigger the breakpoint, all applications stop to work but the clock... |
| 17:42.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | cahoot: Where might I find such a file? |
| 17:42.16 | wols_ | niklassss: what has being able to mount to do with smartmontools? |
| 17:42.17 | cahoot | in you kernelsrc |
| 17:42.22 | golfdish | how should i get fsck to run when i reboot? |
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| 17:42.24 | cahoot | s/you/your/ |
| 17:42.31 | jelly | niklassss: smartmontools doesn't care about the filesystems and their mountability |
| 17:42.43 | wols_ | golfdish: it will run automatically when it's needed |
| 17:42.52 | cahoot | goldlord: like shutdown -rF now |
| 17:43.02 | wfq | pfffffffff... wols_. What the impact could the change from iso to utf8 be?. I could tell my administrator to set up utf8 instead by dpkg-reconfigure locales couldn't I? |
| 17:43.17 | wols_ | wfq: you should tell your admin to upgrade to etch |
| 17:43.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | cahoot: Ok, thanks |
| 17:43.26 | wols_ | !tell wfq about sarge->etch |
| 17:43.26 | niklassss | wols_, jelly: from the description of it I thought it was analysing while using the drive. Apparently I was wrong. Yet again thank you |
| 17:44.13 | golfdish | wols_: what if i WANT to run it when it's NOT NEEDED ?!? |
| 17:44.20 | golfdish | thanks a lot cahoot |
| 17:44.21 | jelly | niklassss: well, smartctl will use the drive in a sense, but doesn't care what data is on it |
| 17:44.35 | niklassss | jelly: ok, great |
| 17:44.53 | wols_ | golfdish: touch /forcefsck then reboot |
| 17:45.18 | cahoot | Dark_Apostrophe: seems hard to find there |
| 17:45.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | cahoot: Okay... :/ |
| 17:45.59 | amen | can somebody help me and check this output? http://pastebin.com/d13b25938 |
| 17:46.05 | Deceptic1n | im seeing all kinds of â â characters in m :/ |
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| 17:46.37 | Deceptic1n | *mc |
| 17:47.01 | wols_ | amen: LANG=C first before making the output |
| 17:47.31 | amen | wols_: LANG=C ?!what's up? |
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| 17:47.55 | wols_ | we don't understand italian error messages. that'S what's up |
| 17:47.59 | wfq | wols_, But instead of upgrading my system to etch (the most reasonable thing, sure and agree with that) Couldn't I change my locales to get utf8 instead of iso_ |
| 17:48.01 | wfq | ? |
| 17:48.03 | wols_ | so use LANG=C first to get english ones |
| 17:48.14 | wols_ | !tell wfq about locales |
| 17:48.31 | amen | wols_: ok, i don't know how change it on console |
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| 17:49.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | cahoot: I can only find a single reference to that file on the entire web :o |
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| 17:49.52 | cahoot | Dark_Apostrophe: /usr/src/linux/Docu.../kernel-parameters.txt |
| 17:50.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | oh |
| 17:50.06 | wols_ | amen: LANG=C;<command> |
| 17:50.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | there was a dash there |
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| 17:50.29 | wols_ | jelly: there is |
| 17:51.00 | jelly | wols_: I'd need it one the hw vendor side, too :-| |
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| 17:51.50 | Lark1 | anyone know anything about linux software raid? |
| 17:51.58 | jelly | wols_: I'd settle for ubuntu ;-) |
| 17:52.24 | wols_ | !tell Lark1 about anyone |
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| 17:53.16 | Deceptic1n | umm im seeing all kinds of wierd characters when i run midnight commander http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2073/mclu6.png |
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| 17:53.44 | wols_ | Deceptic1n: what's your locale? |
| 17:54.01 | k31th | evening |
| 17:54.18 | Lark1 | I had a raid disk fail. upon restarting, the disks have changed locations (i.e. /dev/sda /deb/sdb /dev/sdc become /dev/sda /dev/sdb and I know either a or b failed, but not c) how can I use the array tools, mdadm etc to fix this problem, and how do I know it won't change upon adding a new disk? |
| 17:54.19 | Deceptic1n | wols_: im not sure |
| 17:54.26 | Xteven | hi |
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| 17:54.41 | Xteven | does anyone know where the splash.rle file on the debian install CD comes from ? |
| 17:54.50 | Xteven | is there an xcf file or so ? |
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| 17:55.34 | haole | hey again wols_ |
| 17:55.43 | haole | i got the error log written in my notebook :D |
| 17:56.16 | haole | but let me tell something first... my etch linux-image package was the 2.6.18-5 version |
| 17:56.45 | haole | my new kernel is 2.6.23 version |
| 17:57.04 | haole | dpkg automatically configured my grub to boot with the root at /dev/hda1 |
| 17:57.21 | haole | but this new kernel or configuration, don't know, creates the HD device at /dev/sda1 |
| 17:57.32 | haole | and he won't update automatically my menu.lst file |
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| 17:58.10 | ebbs | Hi! Did anybody hear from problems, while using java on gnome? (debian/lenny) Im using eclipse and its debugging mode. After starting the debugging mode, then setting a breakpoint and then changing something in the program to trigger the breakpoint, all applications stop to work except the clock... Can anybody help, I need the debugging mode... (I updated java and eclipse) |
| 17:58.31 | haole | my kernel new sid kernel hangs on boot |
| 17:58.39 | haole | the previous etch version was 2.6.18 |
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| 17:58.45 | haole | the new version is 2.6.22 |
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| 17:59.10 | haole | is someone reading my problem? |
| 17:59.21 | netgear | how does one upgrade all packages from the update dvd of debian 4.0r1? |
| 17:59.37 | ebbs | haole, so change menu.lst... |
| 17:59.42 | jelly | haole: in the menu.lst file, locate the line saying something like "# kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro" ... change that commented line to the current device (sda). Also, fix your /etc/fstab. |
| 17:59.43 | haole | i know, that's what i did |
| 17:59.59 | haole | but then, a lot of bizarre erros appeared |
| 18:00.05 | haole | like this line: |
| 18:00.14 | jelly | haole: after you change # kopt= ... , run /usr/sbin/update-grub again |
| 18:00.18 | haole | ata1:00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct ... etc |
| 18:00.31 | haole | a lot of ata1:00 lines :( |
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| 18:00.59 | haole | my menu.lst doesn't looks like that... there is no kopt= |
| 18:01.01 | haole | only root= |
| 18:01.15 | jelly | haole: pastebin your menu.lst. |
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| 18:01.23 | haole | im using bitchx via console |
| 18:01.27 | haole | don't know how to paste |
| 18:01.29 | jelly | !pastebinpipe |
| 18:01.35 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 18:01.35 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 18:01.35 | haole | !pastebinpipe |
| 18:01.55 | haole | !pastebin pipe |
| 18:01.55 | wols_ | !pasteiwthoutx |
| 18:01.55 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 18:02.10 | haole | !pastewithoutx |
| 18:02.10 | dpkg | somebody said pastewithoutx was you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 18:02.46 | haole | ok, i think that for now i'll type it :D |
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| 18:02.51 | haole | just hang in there |
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| 18:03.13 | haole | how do i skip a line in bitchx? |
| 18:03.16 | haole | \n? :D |
| 18:03.17 | jelly | pasting a file larger than a screenful with screen, or using w3m for the first time, can be painful |
| 18:03.27 | jelly | haole: _don't_ paste here. |
| 18:03.31 | haole | i won't |
| 18:03.41 | haole | im just trying to type it... isn't that good? |
| 18:03.46 | jelly | nope |
| 18:03.55 | haole | so, how do i show you guys my menu.lst? |
| 18:03.59 | haole | im sorry, im really lost :( |
| 18:04.14 | jelly | haole: use the methods offered by dpkg above |
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| 18:05.42 | asmarin | hi |
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| 18:06.17 | DeZ_666 | can anyone tell me how to flush the dns cache? |
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| 18:06.22 | haole | ok, im finishing installing libwww-mechanize-perl |
| 18:06.27 | haole | and i got paste2pastebin |
| 18:06.31 | haole | how do i use then? |
| 18:06.52 | Deceptic1n | how do i kill a window inside screen only |
| 18:06.53 | jelly | perl paste2pastebin.pl < /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:07.11 | asmarin | im using debian etch and apache2 webdav doesnt allow me to write on it |
| 18:07.16 | haole | and how is that going to put this text into bitchx? |
| 18:07.19 | DeZ_666 | Deceptic1n: 'screen'? |
| 18:07.19 | asmarin | i can read and copy but cant write |
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| 18:07.46 | jelly | haole: it will provide an URL which you're going to paste here. |
| 18:07.49 | cahoot | Deceptic1n: c-a X ? |
| 18:07.52 | Deceptic1n | DeZ_666: i opened up screen, and did ctrl-a c a bunch of times |
| 18:07.56 | haole | wow, nice |
| 18:07.59 | haole | gonna paste it: |
| 18:08.01 | Deceptic1n | cahoot: thats it |
| 18:08.04 | DeZ_666 | whats 'screen' |
| 18:08.16 | cusco | a tool |
| 18:08.19 | haole | http://pastebin.ca/792760 |
| 18:08.20 | DeZ_666 | ah |
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| 18:08.34 | Deceptic1n | a very useful tool |
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| 18:08.43 | haole | i changed /dev/hda1 with /dev/sda1 for the new kernel |
| 18:08.50 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone tell me how to flush the dns cache :/ |
| 18:08.50 | cahoot | Deceptic1n: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Using_screen |
| 18:08.54 | jelly | haole: line 62 looks like what I described. |
| 18:09.41 | golfdish | Deceptic1n: C-a k |
| 18:09.46 | Deceptic1n | cahoot: its C-a K |
| 18:09.47 | Deceptic1n | for me |
| 18:09.52 | Deceptic1n | not X |
| 18:10.00 | haole | so, i have to uncomment it? |
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| 18:10.36 | golfdish | C-a ? gives the list of screen cmds |
| 18:10.49 | Deceptic1n | awesome |
| 18:10.55 | Zta_ | So.. should I install Debian or Ubuntu? =) |
| 18:10.55 | jelly | haole: I going to let you figure that out by yourself. Read the comments above it. |
| 18:10.56 | DeZ_666 | Anyone? flush dns cache? |
| 18:11.01 | jelly | Zta_: yes. |
| 18:11.01 | Deceptic1n | has anyone had trouble running mc under screen? |
| 18:11.10 | DeZ_666 | Zta_: how dare ye speaketh that heresy >:o |
| 18:11.26 | DeZ_666 | !ubuntu |
| 18:11.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:11.27 | haole | lol |
| 18:11.38 | haole | but i don't know if there i have to comment out another line |
| 18:12.03 | haole | ok, i 'll try that |
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| 18:12.42 | OlaX | Zta_: I think you should install Debian. |
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| 18:13.01 | haole | gonna reboot... thank you |
| 18:13.29 | jelly | haole: remember the fstab... or not |
| 18:13.40 | Zta_ | Does Debian 4.0 have a Gnome desktop environment just as (pardon my French) complete as Ubuntu's? I mean, plugged in devices are auto-mounted and pop up on the desktop etc? |
| 18:13.58 | Zta_ | I assumes Gnome is Gnome, but I could be wrong.. |
| 18:14.12 | cusco | gnome is gnome |
| 18:14.13 | zinx | Zta_: if you install the same packages, then yes |
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| 18:14.17 | jelly | Zta_: possibly not as well. U. takes care about a lot of things. |
| 18:14.32 | DeZ_666 | Can anyone tell me how to flush my dns cache? >:[ |
| 18:14.35 | cusco | for that you need gnome-volume-manager package |
| 18:14.37 | jelly | gnome is gnome, but udev and hal configs are not part of gnome. |
| 18:14.38 | cusco | and it acts just the same |
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| 18:14.45 | amen | wols_: http://pastebin.com/d4d453068 |
| 18:14.47 | th0rv4ld | Zta_: Ubuntu makes it prettier. Debian comes with more packages. |
| 18:15.31 | petawolf2083 | do i need xserver-org packages installed before installing and using xfce4? |
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| 18:16.43 | Zta_ | th0rv4ld, "prettier" as in "more compete"? Devices popping up on the desktop etc? |
| 18:16.43 | cusco | petawolf2083: those are dependencies, they will be prompt to be installed if you install xce |
| 18:16.46 | th0rv4ld | petawolf2083: absolutely. |
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| 18:17.03 | Zta_ | Oh well, I think I'll try both. |
| 18:17.10 | cusco | Zta_: give debian a go and have your own say |
| 18:17.11 | Jabka | could anyone (with etch) please try to build em8300 using m-a (im trieng to confirm a bug) |
| 18:17.43 | th0rv4ld | Zta_: Prettier as in the GUI is more completely designed for Ubuntu. With Debian you get a more generic gnome with all of the standard "free" gnome packages. "free" meaning whatever debian-legal determines may be included. You can always install anything else you want in it. |
| 18:17.46 | wols_ | amen: do you have a working internet connection there? |
| 18:18.19 | wols_ | petawolf2083: no. but if xfce runs and displays on the same machine, you need it yes |
| 18:18.27 | amen | wols_: yes |
| 18:18.33 | wols_ | cusco: xfce doesn't depend on xorg |
| 18:18.34 | Zta_ | ok. |
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| 18:19.28 | cusco | wols_: you're right... it suggests x-window-system-core |
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| 18:19.35 | maux | hi. i bought this acer aspire 5050-3284. it comes with an amd-turion64, and a realtek for network. |
| 18:19.36 | petawolf2083 | building up from a laptop text only install... so xserver-org first would be a good choice right? |
| 18:19.44 | cusco | if you isntall it with aptitude then xorg will be installed as well |
| 18:19.52 | wols_ | !tell petawolf2083 about install xorg |
| 18:19.57 | ampex_ | Does anyone know of a good utility/service to track history of CPU/memory/disk usage on multiple servers connected over a LAN? |
| 18:20.09 | eldowan | Lately my KDE has been misbehaving, and I don't know where to start looking. I'm on lenny. Starting late last week when I log into kde, the desktop does not show, and xscreensaver starts every 2 or 3 minutes. After about 5 minutes the desktop actually loads, and everything goes to working. However xscreensaver keeps starting. Sometimes when I log in, everything works as it should. If I rename .kde to another name and get a new profile, it all works fine. |
| 18:20.09 | eldowan | I'd rather not loose my settings and any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 18:20.11 | Maulkin | ampex_: munin |
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| 18:20.33 | petawolf2083 | ampex_: nagios |
| 18:20.53 | maux | hi. i bought this acer aspire 5050-3284. it comes with an amd-turion64, and a realtek for network. during etch install, i can get network via dhcp. after it is installed i cant get network to function. |
| 18:21.03 | poncha | why does "mpstat" without any parameters bring information different from one i see when watching "mpstat 1" output ? |
| 18:21.11 | maux | what can it be? |
| 18:21.16 | wols_ | maux: lspci. ifconfig -a |
| 18:21.41 | maux | wols_: all seems ok. same modules |
| 18:21.52 | maux | wols_: same kernel version |
| 18:21.52 | wols_ | maux: come back if you can do what I asked |
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| 18:22.13 | maux | wols_: yes, i can do. |
| 18:22.14 | wols_ | or rather: talk to me when... |
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| 18:22.39 | maux | wols_: lspci > finds the realtek, just like doing lspci during installation |
| 18:22.39 | poncha | "mpstat" run once almost always shows it's 30% loaded (70% idle) , but when watching constantly mpstat 1 output, i see that most of the time the machine was completely idle (99 / 100% cpu idle) |
| 18:22.59 | wols_ | maux: stop talking to me. I told you |
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| 18:23.15 | maux | wols_: what did you ask? |
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| 18:23.23 | wols_ | the output of above commands |
| 18:23.26 | Deceptic1n | is it not possible to run mc in screen or something? im getting very wierd behaviour! |
| 18:23.33 | maux | i cant type here. its on another machine |
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| 18:23.36 | wols_ | Decepticon: it is |
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| 18:23.55 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
| 18:24.08 | wols_ | maux: do you have a ethX? and what network chip is it? |
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| 18:24.16 | darkbahamut | wols_: hey wols |
| 18:24.28 | maux | wols_: eth0 realtek rtl8139 |
| 18:24.32 | Clinton__ | What is the proper "debian way" of installing a .run script? |
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| 18:24.36 | wols_ | maux: what driver is loaded? |
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| 18:24.49 | wols_ | Clinton__: what is a ".run" script? |
| 18:24.53 | bthornton | I've just created a user on my Debian box that, upon logging in, I want to only be able to run one program. So I've set up the ~/.Xsession file to do this, and it works well; however, it's still possible to login with a GNOME session via GDM. Is there any way I can ensure that this user will *ONLY* log in with the ~/.Xsession file (even if they try to select something else with GDM)? |
| 18:24.54 | wols_ | and what does it run? |
| 18:25.08 | maux | wols_: 8139cp, 8139too and mii |
| 18:25.20 | Clinton__ | wols_: such as using nvidia's nvidia.linux.run for instalilng the drivers |
| 18:25.22 | maux | wols_: same as during installation (that can dhcp) |
| 18:25.25 | wols_ | maux: all 3? |
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| 18:25.40 | maux | wols_: mii uses the other 2 |
| 18:25.47 | wols_ | Clinton__: we don't support those. ask #nvidia. but don't ask #debian for help then anymore |
| 18:25.51 | wols_ | !tell Clinton__ about nvidia |
| 18:26.07 | wols_ | maux: I doubt that |
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| 18:26.21 | SJrX | For some reason my file system went into Ro mode |
| 18:26.25 | Flimzy | I need to run an external command, pipe some data to it, and read its exit status. I've tried open $fh, "| /command"; print $fh "foo"; $result = close $fh. but this *always* fails... even when executing /bin/true. Is there a better way to do this? |
| 18:26.31 | amen | wols_: any suggestion for my apt-get update errors?! |
| 18:26.31 | poncha | SJrX: read syslog... |
| 18:26.50 | SJrX | I ran fsck but I can't get it to mount again as rw |
| 18:26.59 | wols_ | amen: check if you can connect to ftp.it.debian.org via ftp. I could. suggesting you have apt issues. eg. from a proxy or such |
| 18:27.33 | wols_ | maux: modprobe -r all 3 drivers. check they are unloaded then only modprobe 8319too |
| 18:27.35 | maux | wols_: mii 10368 2 8139cp, 8139too |
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| 18:27.37 | Haris1 | Hello guys |
| 18:27.39 | Flimzy | doh, wrong channel. disregard my OT question. |
| 18:27.44 | Haris1 | Where does sarge and etch keep hostnames? |
| 18:27.45 | maux | wols_: thanks, wait |
| 18:27.53 | wols_ | !tell Haris1 about hostname |
| 18:27.56 | SJrX | Haris1 /etc/hostname |
| 18:28.06 | Haris1 | ITs already there |
| 18:28.09 | Haris1 | and yet plesk says; |
| 18:28.15 | wols_ | Haris1: read the factoid |
| 18:28.16 | Haris1 | ERROR while trying to check the hostname |
| 18:28.19 | maux | wols_: FATAL: mode mii is in use. |
| 18:28.26 | maux | wols_: *Module mii |
| 18:28.43 | SJrX | Are you sure it wasn't just giga bit sucked |
| 18:28.51 | wols_ | ampex_: how you did use gigabit witha 8139 is a quite a feat... |
| 18:29.05 | DawnLight | does anyone whether/how i can make a bridge device in /etc/network/interfaces go up with hotplug according to one of the bridged devices (when a cable is plugged in at eth1)? |
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| 18:29.17 | wols_ | ..considering a 8139 is a fast ethernet device |
| 18:29.18 | ampex_ | 8169 rather, my mistake |
| 18:29.21 | dogwater | Howdy, is there some issue with the 2.6.18-5 kernel? |
| 18:29.24 | jelly | wols_: 39, 69, isn't it all the same |
| 18:29.32 | wols_ | !tell dogwater about ask |
| 18:29.38 | amen | wols_: yes, i get connection established to ftp.it.debian.org, but can't login |
| 18:29.45 | dogwater | Actually I should say, was that recently released? |
| 18:29.50 | wols_ | jelly: I'd rather watch a 69 than a 39. dunno about you |
| 18:30.19 | wols_ | amen: I can. easily |
| 18:30.26 | jelly | I'd rather * in a 69 :-D |
| 18:30.33 | dogwater | On net installs on some SAS raids on that kernel it doesnt appear to wait long enough for the drives to settle and i end up with an initramfs prompt |
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| 18:30.54 | DawnLight | that would make it a 699? |
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| 18:31.07 | FireHazrd | what is the command to restart apache? |
| 18:31.18 | wols_ | FireHazrd: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 18:31.26 | yoshx | hello |
| 18:31.26 | amen | wols_: i have another debian and i can use apt-get update normally, i think i have config wrong |
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| 18:31.48 | eldowan | amen: have you tried copying the /etc/apt/sources.list from the other box to the troubled one? |
| 18:31.54 | FireHazrd | wols: thanks |
| 18:31.57 | Haris1 | What's the status pn for a package? |
| 18:32.06 | wols_ | eldowan: it won't help if he can't login with /usr/bin/ftp to the repo |
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| 18:32.13 | bthornton | is it possible to force a user to log in from GDM with a certain session, even if GDM recommends something else? (i.e. user "john" is forced to use KDE, even though he might have selected GNOME from the GDM login screen) |
| 18:32.16 | jelly | Haris1: purged, don't want to install it. It's normal. |
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| 18:32.26 | eldowan | wols_: aah, sorry I didn't see that part of the banter. |
| 18:32.30 | Haris1 | jelly: don't want to .. ? |
| 18:32.33 | wols_ | Haris1: dpkg -l <package> and it tells you |
| 18:32.38 | ampex_ | Maulkin, : does munin do any sort of event based notification? |
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| 18:33.11 | Maulkin | ampex_: No. For a monitoring system, use nagios. |
| 18:33.13 | maux | wols_: still doesnt work. only 8139too and mii now |
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| 18:33.17 | Maulkin | munin is a graphing tool |
| 18:33.20 | amen | eldowan: http://pastebin.com/m4234645e |
| 18:33.27 | Maulkin | Well, automated graphing |
| 18:33.28 | wols_ | !tell maux about doesn't work |
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| 18:33.45 | DawnLight | oh my god the sl package is lovely |
| 18:33.52 | jelly | Haris1: sorry, not installed |
| 18:33.52 | Maulkin | ampex_: http://cheddar.halon.org.uk/munin/halon.org.uk/cheddar.halon.org.uk.html |
| 18:34.36 | Haris1 | can I check what files come with a package? |
| 18:34.44 | jelly | Haris1: first two lines of dpkg -l output explain first two letters, somewhat |
| 18:34.49 | wols_ | Haris1: dpkg -L <package> |
| 18:34.52 | maux | wols_: i have a static ip configuration. doesn't work = Destination host unreachable when ping some real ip |
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| 18:35.10 | wols_ | maux: can you ping IPs inside your LAN? |
| 18:35.15 | maux | wols_: no |
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| 18:35.28 | wols_ | pastebin your interfaces file |
| 18:35.59 | wols_ | also your ifconfig output for ethX |
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| 18:36.49 | dogwater | Hi does anyone know if they recently released the 2.6.18-5 kernel |
| 18:36.57 | peyj | do anyone here know how to configure SLiM login manager to start opnbox? |
| 18:37.01 | peyj | *openbox |
| 18:37.08 | wols_ | dogwater: depends what you mean with "recently"? |
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| 18:37.11 | Maulkin | dogwater: What do you mean by they, and by changed? :) |
| 18:37.15 | Maulkin | Oh, and recently. |
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| 18:38.41 | Maulkin | peyj: /usr/etc/slim.conf should have the options you need |
| 18:38.53 | Maulkin | Sorry, /etc/slim.conf |
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| 18:40.42 | peyj | Maulkin, I se it to boot openbox-session, but openboxes autstart doesn't run.. :S |
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| 18:41.43 | dogwater | Hi, does anyone know if the kernel 2.6.18-5 was just released recently, I did an install last week on a system and it worked, and today I did an install on a identical system and it doesnt work and i'm trying to find out if this is a different kernel. |
| 18:41.47 | maux | wols_: please look my interfaces file at http://pastebin.ca/792807 |
| 18:42.35 | Maulkin | dogwater: no, same one |
| 18:42.37 | wols_ | maux: default route is et to 192.168.0.1? |
| 18:42.52 | wols_ | waat happens in dmesg if you unplug your ethernet and plug it back in? |
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| 18:43.07 | wols_ | dogwater: with as released on 2nd of october in debian |
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| 18:43.13 | wols_ | dogwater: see DSA 1391 |
| 18:43.15 | dogwater | Maulkin: are you sure? On this box today if i just let the machine boot on its own I get a (initramfs) prompt but if I pause it at the grub menu and wait 5seconds and then hit enter it boots up fine |
| 18:43.16 | maux | wols_: yes, i am sat in a maching that uses this route. and is working |
| 18:43.37 | duns_s | hi |
| 18:43.49 | dogwater | Maulkin: its like its not waiting long enough for the SAS controller to 'settle' |
| 18:44.10 | wols_ | dogwater: then it'S not a kernel problem per se |
| 18:44.18 | wols_ | dogwater: just set your timeout in menu.lst longer |
| 18:44.31 | Maulkin | dogwater: last update was 2nd October |
| 18:44.31 | mrrcp | bored! |
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| 18:44.39 | dogwater | Maulkin: i guess i could do that... |
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| 18:44.48 | duns_s | is there a way to use interface based (e.g., -i eth0) on a bridge firewall or is the interface information dropped and replaced by br0 before entering netfilter? |
| 18:44.58 | duns_s | i cannot find it on google |
| 18:45.21 | duns_s | i would like to block my uml machine via the tap0 interface from the lan and let it only access the net |
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| 18:45.31 | Maulkin | Evidently, your hardware isn't exactly the same. |
| 18:45.47 | dogwater | Maulkin: Nah, it is we ordered 75 of these from dell and they're exactly identical |
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| 18:45.51 | duns_s | i can do that ip wise, but still this allows ip spoofing |
| 18:46.07 | wols_ | dogwater: doesn't mean dell used the same harddisks |
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| 18:46.09 | elenril | how do i build a source package with debugging symbols? |
| 18:46.09 | Maulkin | dogwater: They're from Dell. Thus, they're not garunteed to be exactly identical |
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| 18:46.21 | maux | wols_: it says link down |
| 18:46.32 | Maulkin | elenril: first, check that there's not a debug package already available |
| 18:46.36 | wols_ | maux: when you plug it in again as well? |
| 18:46.41 | maux | wols_: mii-tool said link down and link up. |
| 18:46.42 | duns_s | ok, i've found #netfilter |
| 18:46.43 | Maulkin | elenril: if not, remove dh_strip from debian/rules |
| 18:46.49 | duns_s | sorry #iptables |
| 18:46.53 | dogwater | huh, all i know is the one i did last week used to just say waiting for root filesystem for a few seconds |
| 18:46.55 | dogwater | and this one it doesnt |
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| 18:47.01 | maux | wols_: but i think dmesg didn't find link up again |
| 18:47.05 | Maulkin | dogwater: same installation media? |
| 18:47.26 | wols_ | maux: I didn't ask about mii-tool but dmesg |
| 18:47.30 | maux | wols_: ok. 2 minutes have passed, and dmesg didn't recognize the link's back |
| 18:47.30 | distatica | Hey all. I'm trying to install nvidia drivers using legacy 96.43.01 on lenny. I installed from netinst CD so it was originally etch. When I try to run the install program it says it needs to compile, however then I get a CC version check failed. Compiler used to compiled kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match current compiler (4.2). |
| 18:47.32 | elenril | Maulkin, thanks |
| 18:47.36 | plb | hrm anyone getting x errors in sid...process set to priority -1 instead of requested 0? |
| 18:47.41 | distatica | it will let me continue, but says the kernel module loader will reject it, any thoughts? |
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| 18:48.00 | wols_ | distatica: install gcc 4.1 then |
| 18:48.13 | distatica | through apt? |
| 18:48.16 | wols_ | plb: checked bts yet? |
| 18:48.22 | dogwater | Maulkin: yeah we use the netboot installer and install via ftp.debian |
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| 18:48.36 | plb | wols_: bts? |
| 18:48.45 | distatica | nevermind, I didn't realize it was in there, thank you. |
| 18:48.48 | Maulkin | dogwater: just checking, you're installing etch, right? |
| 18:48.56 | Zta_ | Does Debian provide i686 installations and packages? |
| 18:49.00 | wols_ | !btssmite plb |
| 18:49.12 | wols_ | Zta_: only for a few select packages. mainly kernel and libc6 |
| 18:49.25 | plb | should have just said b.d.o ;] |
| 18:49.58 | Zta_ | wols_, ok |
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| 18:50.47 | distatica | hrm, apparently I have 4.1 installed already, is there a variable I need ot set to have the system use that one? |
| 18:50.56 | wols_ | distatica: CC |
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| 18:52.58 | distatica | there we go, thanks again. |
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| 18:53.14 | Lark1 | How can I remove a drive with mdadm --remove, if the drive doesn't exist because it has failed? |
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| 18:54.12 | wiedenmann | is there a program to measure the latency of a machine connected to the internet? |
| 18:54.19 | wols_ | wiedenmann: ping |
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| 18:55.16 | Eulex | wiedenmann, mtr |
| 18:55.33 | wiedenmann | mtr? |
| 18:55.35 | kriebel | Lark1, you're not removing the drive physically, you're removing it from the software raid |
| 18:55.37 | dogwater | Yeah, debian 4.0 |
| 18:55.48 | wols_ | !mtr |
| 18:55.49 | dpkg | methinks mtr is a Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool |
| 18:55.50 | maux | wols_: ok. 2 minutes have passed, and dmesg didn't recognize the link's back. so is the board broke? |
| 18:56.04 | wols_ | maux: maybe the cable. dunno |
| 18:56.11 | wiedenmann | wols_: Is it possible that a machine uses up all the latency? How can I find out about this machine? |
| 18:56.18 | wols_ | maux: there is no 2 minutes to pass. it will be instantaneous |
| 18:56.34 | kriebel | where has all the latency gone? |
| 18:56.35 | wols_ | wiedenmann: you are talking gibberish. what is exactly your problem? |
| 18:56.37 | zinx | Lark1: did you tell Linux the drive failed? |
| 18:56.38 | maux | wols_: not the cable. if i put installation CD, it can get DHCP. |
| 18:57.13 | wols_ | maux: installer and installed debian use the same kernel/software |
| 18:57.14 | petawolf2083 | how do i get the location of my 15 links for a directory??? |
| 18:57.19 | wiedenmann | wols_: well I am in the students dormatory and during the evening the connection breaks down. I wonder who is responsible. |
| 18:57.26 | sek9 | kriebel: apparently hsi is all used up by one machine |
| 18:57.29 | sek9 | his* |
| 18:57.33 | maux | wols_: yeah, i suspected that not. so, what can it be? |
| 18:57.52 | maux | wols_: testing installer again |
| 18:57.52 | wols_ | maux: layer8 error? |
| 18:58.07 | wols_ | maux: do you use dhcp on installer or static? |
| 18:58.14 | maux | wols_: layer8? what's that? |
| 18:58.16 | Zta_ | Which one of the 27 debian-testing-i386-CD-??.iso should I download to perform a standard installation? #1? Why are there so many? |
| 18:58.21 | wols_ | layer8 = user error |
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| 18:58.22 | kriebel | sek9: sorry, I was being very, very sarcastic |
| 18:58.28 | maux | wols_: dhcp. am gonna try the static ip now. |
| 18:58.30 | Altu59 | hi all |
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| 18:58.40 | wols_ | Zta_: there are so many cause debian is so big. you shouldn't download any of them |
| 18:58.42 | Altu59 | how can I map the Alt-Gr key of my thinkpad to Super? |
| 18:58.46 | wols_ | Zta_: install etch |
| 18:58.48 | sek9 | Kriebel: me too |
| 18:58.54 | maux | wols_: but dhclient doesnt get ip installed |
| 18:58.57 | Zta_ | Ah, it's in the faq. |
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| 18:59.40 | wols_ | wiedenmann: probably the network crashes to over usage |
| 18:59.55 | Zta_ | wols_, etch? Not 40r1? |
| 18:59.57 | wols_ | wiedenmann: all the students are at home downloading pr0n -> overtaxed network |
| 19:00.05 | wols_ | Zta_: etch is 4.0r1 |
| 19:00.05 | kriebel | Zta_, same thing |
| 19:00.25 | wiedenmann | wols_: Is there a way to investigate that? maybe mtr helps? |
| 19:00.37 | maux | wols_: thank you so much. but what layer8 could be? |
| 19:00.43 | Zta_ | ok, that means I am downloading etch =) |
| 19:00.47 | dkr | Zta_: just download the network install cd for your architecture |
| 19:00.52 | wols_ | maux: layer8 = you fucked up |
| 19:01.16 | Zta_ | dkr, I prefer the whole CD to get a quick installation. |
| 19:01.33 | wols_ | Zta_: network install will be quicker |
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| 19:01.39 | dkr | Zta_: etch is also more than a dozen CDs |
| 19:01.52 | wols_ | unless you really install everything from the CD, evrey single package that's on it which is vrey very unlikely |
| 19:01.52 | petawolf2083 | layer 8 error like the error is not in the machine it sits infront of the monitor |
| 19:02.00 | dogwater | dkr: thats why you uncheck everything but standard system :D |
| 19:02.08 | kriebel | you're going to download the packages one way or another |
| 19:02.33 | kriebel | might as well download the smallest disk now |
| 19:02.35 | dkr | netinst is still faster than download *everything* and choosing what to install. it installs base system and then only downloads what you need |
| 19:02.37 | Zta_ | dkr, I want to install Gnome and xfce. Are they on the network install? |
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| 19:02.48 | kriebel | unless you're not going to have network on the machine you want to install to |
| 19:02.48 | wols_ | Zta_: no |
| 19:02.53 | maux | wols_: ok. installing again |
| 19:02.55 | Zta_ | wols_, good. Complete CD it is. |
| 19:02.56 | dogwater | Zta_: yes just choose desktop environment when it asks you what to install |
| 19:03.05 | cemc | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! gcc-3.3-base libstdc++5 what's this supposed to mean? |
| 19:03.07 | dkr | wols_: huh, why aer you misleading him like that. everything is available via netinst |
| 19:03.20 | Zta_ | dogwater, ..and it will install it from CD? |
| 19:03.25 | wols_ | !tell cemc about kys |
| 19:03.27 | wols_ | !tell cemc about keys |
| 19:03.30 | dogwater | Zta_: oh, no it would download it from the intarweb |
| 19:03.38 | wols_ | !tell cemc about no public keys keys |
| 19:03.41 | wols_ | !tell cemc about no public keys |
| 19:03.42 | wols_ | *sigh* |
| 19:03.46 | cemc | :) |
| 19:03.46 | dogwater | Zta_: the most efficent way is to just use netinst and then just tell it to download what you want/need |
| 19:04.05 | cemc | wols_: got the hint :) i'll look it up |
| 19:04.07 | dkr | wols_: time for some caffeine. :) |
| 19:04.08 | wols_ | cemc: see topic about no public key |
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| 19:04.39 | muh2000 | any idea why my client tap dev cant recieve an ip address from my vpn server where dhcpd is running? the dhcpd is working because that thing is running my lan. vpn is also working when i dont chose to use the external dhcpd. :/ |
| 19:05.08 | Zta_ | dogwater, ... I don't believe you =) |
| 19:05.21 | kriebel | downloading all of the debian CDs is just the kind of messed up thinking that too many smart people are led into |
| 19:05.21 | wols_ | Zta_: but he is right |
| 19:05.28 | rox | 6 |
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| 19:05.38 | kriebel | ...by some other OS that isn't Debian |
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| 19:05.51 | Zta_ | wols_, it will be faster to install a complete system over net than from cd? |
| 19:06.06 | kriebel | wols: you're not installing a complete system |
| 19:06.06 | wols_ | Zta_: yes. cause you need to download a full 700MB cd first |
| 19:06.09 | kriebel | this isnt' red hat |
| 19:06.16 | kriebel | all of debian is 15k packages |
| 19:06.19 | kriebel | you don't want all of them |
| 19:06.19 | Zta_ | wols_, I don't mind downloading the cd. |
| 19:06.26 | wols_ | that download plus the install is smaller than downloading a 140MB netinstall and let apt download stuff you want to install |
| 19:06.35 | Zta_ | wols_, the downloading takes care of itself. The installation need my attention. |
| 19:06.36 | wols_ | Zta_: but it's time wasted |
| 19:06.50 | wols_ | the install download takes care of itself too |
| 19:06.55 | Zta_ | wols_, no, because I'm playing PS3 while it downloads |
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| 19:07.19 | Zta_ | Anyway, there's no point in discussing this. |
| 19:07.19 | wols_ | you can play PS3 while it downloads the netinst packages too. you are illogical |
| 19:07.22 | dkr | Zta_: think about it. download 100 packages, choose to install 30. *or* download small netinst and then it downloads those 30 you want and does *not* download the 70 yuo don't |
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| 19:07.29 | wols_ | and you will download more bytes if you download the full CD1 |
| 19:07.36 | wols_ | which means it will take longer over all |
| 19:07.40 | kriebel | you have to switch disks, too |
| 19:07.42 | iratiku | I need to do something _____________really_____________ simple ... and i just can't find any help anywhere!>....! i've installed a second hard drive on my debian machine ..... how do i erase it? |
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| 19:07.46 | dkr | (although in etch's case, the it's 15000+, not 100 :) |
| 19:07.52 | darkbahamut | hello everyone |
| 19:07.54 | dogwater | or you could setup a PXE system, download netboot unpackage it and then just boot your box over the network like a civilized person, and not waste a CD-R |
| 19:08.01 | dogwater | :d |
| 19:08.05 | Eulex | iratiku, define 'erase'. reformat? |
| 19:08.08 | wols_ | iratiku: what is its device name? |
| 19:08.45 | iratiku | i don't know... but erase = reformat yeah |
| 19:08.50 | iratiku | don't know the device name |
| 19:08.54 | wols_ | iratiku: first find out |
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| 19:08.57 | dogwater | iratiku: if you're in the shell you can use fdisk -l to list your devices |
| 19:08.58 | darkbahamut | can anyone help me with ndiswrapper? i have the correct driver loaded but my wlan is not up yet? |
| 19:09.03 | iratiku | i can do ls /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 19:09.04 | wols_ | iratiku: dmesg. or fdisk -l |
| 19:09.08 | Zta_ | This is by far the largest problem with the Debian community: People telling you want to do, based on how THEY would it, instead of what the n00b wants =) |
| 19:09.16 | dogwater | iratiku: then once you figure out which one it is you can do mkfs.ext3 /dev/DEVICE to erase it |
| 19:09.19 | Eulex | iratiku, use any of the mkfs.* commands to format it when you know its device name. |
| 19:09.25 | dogwater | iratiku: but make damn sure you do it to the right one |
| 19:09.40 | Zta_ | Is Lenny useful, or should I use Etch? |
| 19:09.44 | iratiku | how do i find the device |
| 19:09.48 | iratiku | thats the hardest part?!!!!!!! |
| 19:09.51 | wols_ | Zta_: you should use etch |
| 19:10.04 | dogwater | Zta_ Well really, what you should do..is freakin take that ps3 and install linux on it.. cause thats the only good use for it |
| 19:10.04 | Eulex | iratiku, wols_ just told you how. |
| 19:10.18 | Zta_ | dogwater, .... my point exactly |
| 19:10.19 | kriebel | no, Zta_, the problem is that the newbs ask how to do something they cooked up, not how to do things best |
| 19:10.28 | iratiku | the device is /dev/hdd1 |
| 19:10.46 | wols_ | iratiku: do you want to format the disk or a partition? |
| 19:10.49 | dogwater | iratiku: are you sure that isnt the device you're using? |
| 19:11.00 | iratiku | there we go |
| 19:11.01 | dogwater | iratiku: type df and make sure that doesnt show up as a mounted filesystem |
| 19:11.01 | iratiku | sigh... |
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| 19:11.05 | iratiku | thank you |
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| 19:11.16 | Zta_ | kriebel, I've installed a linux box or two before, and I think I know best how I prefer to install system, and where I want to waste my time -- before installing OR while installing. |
| 19:11.29 | iratiku | i know its not a device i'm using because none of the partitions have the boot flag on |
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| 19:11.37 | dogwater | iratiku: Uh... |
| 19:11.41 | dogwater | (sigh) |
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| 19:11.50 | kriebel | Zta_, how many were Debian, and how many were something else? |
| 19:11.53 | ja2 | how do i use apt-cache to show the description of a package not installed ? |
| 19:11.59 | wols_ | iratiku: linux doesn't have or ever use a bootflag either |
| 19:12.04 | simonrvn | linux doesn't care about "the boot flag" |
| 19:12.06 | wols_ | ja2: apt-cache show |
| 19:12.07 | iratiku | it doesnt? |
| 19:12.10 | cemc | wols_: strangely enough it was not the keys, it was the proxy i was using, was access denied and apt could get what it needed i guess |
| 19:12.19 | iratiku | well.... everything is still running |
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| 19:12.33 | Eulex | Zta_, they usually ask how to perform a solution they've thought out for a problem, instead of how to solve the actual problem. and how do you know that the newbie knows the best (or even a moderately good) solution to his/her problem? |
| 19:12.48 | Zta_ | kriebel, Does it matter? 80% were Debian |
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| 19:13.06 | wols_ | Zta_: then you don't know much about debian if you don't know about netinst |
| 19:13.33 | kriebel | I just seems that you're used to the Red Hat "oh, six months passed, time to download 6 CDs again" method |
| 19:13.42 | wols_ | or that you even have to ask about install disks. which means we're still right to tell you to use netinst |
| 19:13.48 | Zta_ | Eulex, because I'm not exactly a n00b on this on =) I want to be able to install a box without networking OR without waiting for packages download. EOD. |
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| 19:13.58 | wols_ | kriebel: don't forget the "and reinstall" par |
| 19:14.00 | wols_ | t |
| 19:14.03 | Zta_ | wols_, I never said I didn't know about netinst. I just said I want the full cd. |
| 19:14.04 | dkr | lol, why come here for advice if you are going to ignore it? |
| 19:14.16 | dkr | Zta_: the "full cd" is actually 17 or so CDs |
| 19:14.25 | simonrvn | he likes the attention |
| 19:14.37 | dkr | Zta_: use netinst like everyone is saying |
| 19:14.42 | Eulex | Zta_, I didn't read your problem, neither did I know that you were referring to yourself. |
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| 19:14.59 | kriebel | alright, we're beating a dead horse |
| 19:15.06 | Zta_ | Eulex, I never mentioned a problem. People started going mayhem when I said I wanted to download the full cd. |
| 19:15.07 | wols_ | simonrvn: you're just bitter cause he takes it all away from you |
| 19:15.15 | iratiku | success |
| 19:15.18 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 19:15.20 | Haris1 | What's the status iF? |
| 19:15.20 | iratiku | the system successfully rebooted |
| 19:15.24 | Haris1 | for an installed package |
| 19:15.24 | iratiku | thanks guys |
| 19:15.29 | proprietarysucks | do debian's preseed files allow to run external python files during the pre and bash scripts during the post? |
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| 19:15.39 | Eulex | Zta_, if you really want to do that, just download a few cds. the ones you need. |
| 19:15.41 | mkz | not exactly a debian question, but maybe someone knows: how can I query my intranet for all ip addresses currently active with host names? |
| 19:15.43 | S2AnGeL | netinstall is quicker.. you need to update packages all anyway.. bugs security.. |
| 19:15.50 | wols_ | Haris1: you've been told before where to look for that |
| 19:15.57 | S2AnGeL | linux is rapid change get use to it |
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| 19:16.34 | Haris1 | wols_: dpkg -l package-name doesn't show what F is for |
| 19:16.36 | kriebel | heh. Most of using Linux is knowing more than 20 years of UNIX |
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| 19:16.38 | Zta_ | Eulex, That's exactly what I am trying to do ... |
| 19:16.41 | dkr | mkz: yuo can use nmap to do a ping scan of your lan. host names are a separate issue, though |
| 19:16.53 | Haris1 | ah, it does |
| 19:16.55 | Haris1 | failed config |
| 19:16.57 | Eulex | Zta_, I don't understand the problem. just download them? |
| 19:17.04 | wols_ | Haris1: it does |
| 19:17.04 | Zta_ | Eulex, there is no problem. |
| 19:17.23 | Zta_ | Eulex, beside me saying out loud on this channel that I was about to download the full cd. |
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| 19:17.31 | Eulex | Zta_, heh, ok |
| 19:17.38 | dkr | then just be quiet ignore the advice rather than try to tell us the advice is wrong |
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| 19:18.17 | wols_ | no. just don't ask for advice then in the first place |
| 19:18.52 | Zta_ | 20:09 < Zta_> Is Lenny useful, or should I use Etch? |
| 19:19.01 | Zta_ | That was my only question, I think. |
| 19:19.18 | kriebel | that is the oddest question I've heard in here |
| 19:19.19 | mkz | dkr: thanks. I've installed it and ran a ping scan. I can indeed verify used address.. it would be nice to get their host names though |
| 19:19.23 | kriebel | and I've heard some doozeys |
| 19:19.26 | simonrvn | we can always /lastlog you ;) |
| 19:19.31 | Eulex | Zta_, but really, if possible, you should consider just downloading one or two of the etch cds, then downloading the rest (as needed, there won't be much anyway) from the internet. if the box in question isn't networkless, that is. oh, and you could try out one or two of the dvds, then you won't need to switch disc so often |
| 19:19.31 | Zta_ | kriebel =) |
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| 19:19.55 | dkr | mkz: you could use reverse dns lookups, although that might not necessarily match their real host names |
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| 19:20.27 | Eulex | Zta_, anything is useful to some degree to one or more person :) |
| 19:20.43 | mkz | dkr: sounds promising. Not familiar with that. what do I use/do for reverse dns lookup? |
| 19:20.45 | kriebel | mkz: are you thinking something like Network Neighborhood here? Or on the other end of the spectrum, do you run your own DNS server? |
| 19:20.52 | dkr | mkz: oh yeah, there is also a way to do a zone transfer which can give you all the hosts in your domain(although dns records might not match machiens that are active) |
| 19:20.59 | Zta_ | Eulex jup =) |
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| 19:21.26 | dkr | mkz: host ip.add.rr.ess (it just means a dns lookup on the number to give name, instead of th eusual other way around :) |
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| 19:21.32 | amen | how to check ftp config?! |
| 19:21.36 | mkz | dkr: really just trying to find a specific host IP by it's host name |
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| 19:22.06 | wols_ | mkz: ping it. |
| 19:22.10 | dkr | mkz: if you already know the name then you can run "host name" or "dig name" to get the ip |
| 19:22.11 | wols_ | you will get its IP |
| 19:22.19 | mkz | dkr: ah, host, brilliant. I can write a script to call nmap and then push the resulting IP's to host for a complete list |
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| 19:22.45 | dkr | or nslookup name to be old school. :) |
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| 19:23.47 | eth01 | ping works welll |
| 19:24.01 | mkz | dkr: I was trying to remember the nslookup syntax when I decided to come here.. heh |
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| 19:24.42 | dkr | what syntax? you just tell it name and it gives you the dns record |
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| 19:25.02 | kriebel | if you were using DNS, nmap whould have resolved IP addresses |
| 19:25.42 | kriebel | odd |
| 19:25.48 | mkz | dkr: yeah, I see that now. I thought there was something more to it. It's been forever. Anyway, I'm getting what I want now. In fact, oddly enough as I run nmap -sP x.x.x.* I'm getting not just IP addresses, but some are also returning host names... |
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| 19:26.08 | kriebel | I tried it myself, and am getting inconsistant behavior. Maybe it's using zeroconf or something |
| 19:26.43 | kriebel | some have hostnames, some don't |
| 19:26.56 | kriebel | but I know they all have DNS names |
| 19:26.57 | tralala | xingu, the tickless patch didn't reduce my power consumption at all. I suppose my cpu (pentium m) is not very power conscious. |
| 19:26.58 | dkr | well, not everyone makes PTR records for everything. |
| 19:27.24 | eth01 | not everybody uses PTR records. |
| 19:27.30 | dkr | kriebel: note that having a name to number dns record does not mean you need a number to name record |
| 19:27.40 | kriebel | oh, I know |
| 19:27.45 | eth01 | mhmmm, why don't you use in-addr.arpa or .root ? |
| 19:27.49 | kriebel | and I have PTR records |
| 19:27.53 | Eulex | tralala, well, I have tickless here, but ~300 wakeups per second... so not much improvement. tickless only has a _potential_ of decreasing power consumption. |
| 19:28.12 | dkr | kriebel: weird, maybe nmap has a small timeout for the lookups so fails on some? |
| 19:28.18 | eth01 | dkr: of course. |
| 19:28.30 | tralala | Eulex, I brought my wakeups down to 15 but there was no difference. |
| 19:28.52 | Eulex | tralala, oh |
| 19:29.10 | kriebel | dkr, maybe... or a throttle |
| 19:29.25 | tralala | without tickless they are about a 150 (iirc) and I get the same power consumption |
| 19:29.43 | kriebel | HOST DISCOVERY: -n/-R: Never do DNS resolution/Always resolve [default: sometimes] |
| 19:29.47 | kriebel | well that is weird |
| 19:29.57 | Eulex | without tickless is 100, 250 or 1000, depending on kernel config |
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| 19:30.39 | tralala | but my cpu doesn't go below 800mhz nor does the disk stop spinning |
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| 19:31.54 | Eulex | tralala, the minimum frequency is less than 800mhz for your box? you could use laptop mode for making the disk stop spinning when it's not used, but watch out for extra wear on it. |
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| 19:33.20 | tralala | Eulex, it's 800. I use laptop tools but I don't think the disk stays idle long enough to park |
| 19:33.42 | tralala | laptop mode, that is |
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| 19:34.34 | Eulex | tralala, ext3 commits every 5s, but you can change that. |
| 19:35.15 | Eulex | tralala, specifically, tune2fs can |
| 19:35.19 | mkz | I've just bought a refurbished Lenovo T40 and I'd lke to know if anyone has had success with loading linux on this model and if so, has anyone found any refernce to getting the function keys to work. |
| 19:35.32 | tralala | Eulex, I use reiser |
| 19:35.40 | Eulex | !tell mkz about laptop |
| 19:35.42 | Eulex | tralala, oh |
| 19:35.48 | tralala | mkz, thinkwiki.org |
| 19:36.06 | mkz | Eulex: thanks |
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| 19:37.11 | tralala | Eulex, anyway I don't have a problem with the way things are, but yesterday xingu said he managed to get 2.5w out of his laptop and I decided to give tickless a try. |
| 19:37.43 | darkbahamut | hey, can anyone help me with ndiswrapper? i have my driver loaded but i have no wlan? |
| 19:37.49 | SW0RDF15H | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.13 | darkbahamut | streuner: hey, i have a fresh install of etch now |
| 19:39.18 | SW0RDF15H | :/ |
| 19:39.36 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: whats wrong with it again? |
| 19:39.52 | xingu | tralala: nb, that's soley what powertop reports (2.5W) |
| 19:39.54 | SW0RDF15H | doesnt work the Fn keys |
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| 19:40.17 | SW0RDF15H | Dell Vostro 1000 laptop and ATI X1150 |
| 19:40.20 | xingu | tralala: no idea it it's legit; t7200 cpu |
| 19:40.32 | tralala | xingu, sure, I also measure it that way |
| 19:41.02 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: hmmm im not sure.. never had a dell |
| 19:41.09 | muh2000 | dhcp server does not answer on a tap dev. what could cause this? i have a line for providing ips for that dev :( |
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| 19:41.26 | xingu | tralala: did you load one of the cpuidle governors (ladder or menu) too? |
| 19:41.33 | SW0RDF15H | hibernation doesnt work too |
| 19:41.40 | SW0RDF15H | it sucks man :( |
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| 19:41.55 | tralala | xingu, not explicitly, no. I didn't check if they got loaded either |
| 19:42.01 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: why would you want hibernation o.O |
| 19:42.06 | xingu | tralala: also, what % residency are you getting in c3 state? |
| 19:42.29 | SW0RDF15H | its usefull |
| 19:42.36 | xingu | tralala: worth checking; that's what handles c-state promotion/demotion, in the tickless world; I'm using menu |
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| 19:42.41 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: its a pain |
| 19:42.56 | marcus_ | hello people, I'm looking for a gtk based media player that can handle both audio and video, a bit like decibel media player, but ofcourse with video support, is there such a app? thanks in advance |
| 19:42.57 | tralala | xingu, it was high enough... but I don't remember exactly |
| 19:43.13 | xingu | tralala: 95% in c3 here fwiw |
| 19:43.15 | SW0RDF15H | when im in class and have to go to another... just close the laptop and go |
| 19:43.39 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: i see |
| 19:43.56 | tralala | xingu, what's menu? |
| 19:43.58 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: what os are you using? |
| 19:44.04 | tralala | ah, the governor |
| 19:44.08 | SW0RDF15H | etch |
| 19:44.14 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: ahh |
| 19:44.32 | tralala | probably it wasn't loaded. I'll try it again |
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| 19:45.33 | darkbahamut | SW0RDF15H: im not sure about the settings on linux im new to it.. all i know is with windows |
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| 19:45.52 | SW0RDF15H | WIndows it works fine |
| 19:45.55 | SW0RDF15H | all then |
| 19:46.05 | amen | my apt-get don't work with ftp.it.debian.org in this machine, but work with my second machine...why?! |
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| 19:46.48 | SW0RDF15H | i h\ve to go |
| 19:46.50 | SW0RDF15H | bb |
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| 19:48.06 | netgear | can someone tell me how to install kernel source in debian? |
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| 19:48.17 | netgear | and to where does it get installed? |
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| 19:49.08 | simonrvn | linux-source packages |
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| 19:49.27 | simonrvn | /usr/src, tarball is put there; unpack and use |
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| 19:49.52 | kantor | hi, what exactly means if you make a hard reset with a program like hdparm to a cd-rom, or hard disk ? |
| 19:49.52 | DawnLight | netgear: use aptitude to install it (linux-source-*)and further questions will be answered in /usr/share/doc/linux-source-* |
| 19:50.26 | tralala | xingu, btw how low does the frequency of your cpu go? |
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| 19:50.36 | xingu | tralala: 1GHz |
| 19:50.59 | netgear | thanks |
| 19:51.18 | netgear | another thing is how does on remove the bleep shitty sound from system |
| 19:51.27 | xingu | tralala: I will say though, that the gpu has some considerable facility to downshift when on battery; and I'm not using fixed ethernet, I'm using wlan - with power management enabled. |
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| 19:51.46 | xingu | tralala: gigabit interfaces can really suck it down |
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| 19:53.20 | aarkerio | hi! I installed postgresql-8.2 package on Lenny but I can't find pg_hba.conf file |
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| 19:53.27 | aarkerio | where is it? |
| 19:53.51 | wols_ | all config files are in /etc. in this case probably /etc/postgres or such |
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| 19:54.18 | simonrvn | aarkerio: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 19:54.26 | Decepticon | how do i undo write protection for files via cli? i tried chmod ugo=+rwx |
| 19:54.43 | aarkerio | but pg_hba.conf don't appear in http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 19:55.04 | wols_ | simonrvn: it's a config file. probably won't show up there |
| 19:55.06 | simonrvn | Decepticon: why? |
| 19:55.22 | simonrvn | if it's generated, no |
| 19:55.37 | DawnLight | does anyone whether/how i can make a bridge device in /etc/network/interfaces go up with hotplug according to one of the bridged devices (when a cable is plugged in at eth1)? |
| 19:56.04 | Decepticon | Decepticon: i need to delete something, and its write protected somehow |
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| 19:56.15 | simonrvn | lsattr it |
| 19:56.17 | Decepticon | er, simonrvn i need to delete something and its write protected |
| 19:56.22 | johntramp | hey. can anyone suggest a way to remove silence from the beginning and end of a collection of mp3 files? |
| 19:56.59 | maux | wols_: are you still there? i've installed again |
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| 19:57.14 | maux | wols_: so, no chances to layer8... |
| 19:57.15 | aarkerio | johntramp, audacity |
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| 19:57.19 | Decepticon | simonrvn: doesnt seem to do anything |
| 19:57.26 | sek9 | Decepticon: chmod ugo=rwx filename works for me |
| 19:57.30 | maux | wols_: dhcp worked during installation. but not now |
| 19:57.40 | Tramp | Decepticon: Check the permissions of the directory |
| 19:57.47 | johntramp | aarkerio: i would prefer to not have to do them one by one |
| 19:57.48 | simonrvn | Decepticon: does it show something like -----i---- or such? |
| 19:57.56 | Decepticon | no its just dashes throughout |
| 19:57.59 | johntramp | aarkerio: is that possible with audacity? |
| 19:58.13 | simonrvn | do what Tramp said then |
| 19:59.39 | simonrvn | ls -ld /the/dir |
| 19:59.41 | Decepticon | simonrvn: i figured it out... i had more files inside that were not rwx |
| 19:59.48 | Decepticon | i chmodded them all * |
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| 19:59.56 | Decepticon | now i am able to delete |
| 20:00.06 | xingu | tralala: on battery, the gpu can downclock as low as gpu@100Mhz, mem@135Mhz |
| 20:00.13 | simonrvn | just make sure o can't write to them... that's asking for trouble |
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| 20:00.21 | DawnLight | damn. there must be a way to use hotplug to bring up a bridge device... |
| 20:00.23 | simonrvn | oh, nm |
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| 20:00.33 | peyj | can you use metisse in debian? |
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| 20:01.18 | lepine_w | has anyone installed the bugzilla package recently? i have a stupid bug one can perhaps help me with |
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| 20:01.53 | tralala | xingu, I have intel gpu with shared memory so it probably isn't consuming much, but I've got plenty of drivers enabled. In any case I was surprised that tickless didn't do any better - all others being equal. Probably it didn't have a governor loaded. |
| 20:02.02 | Zippy2 | lesswatts.org |
| 20:02.25 | xingu | tralala: there's always the exciting possibility that my system's batter is lying, too. :) |
| 20:02.25 | osmosis | how do I set my default crontab -e editor ? |
| 20:02.29 | DawnLight | lepine_w: i think you'd be better off installing it from source |
| 20:02.44 | muh2000 | i did a dhcping on the ip where my dhcp (should) listen on the vpn network but no answer - for my normal lan the server answers and provides ip etc... |
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| 20:03.05 | tralala | xingu, true :) |
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| 20:03.11 | lepine_w | DawnLight: it crossed my mind ... |
| 20:03.27 | tralala | xingu, have you tested the power consumption with a stock kernel? |
| 20:04.04 | wols_ | muh2000: does dhcp listen on the tap device? |
| 20:04.04 | DawnLight | lepine_w: forget that. i am sure you'd be better off installing it from source |
| 20:04.04 | maux | wols_: the dmesg test had same behavior. after plug off the cable, it says 'link down', and after i plugged on again, it doesnt get link up |
| 20:04.04 | limpio | hi, what is the command to find out what nic and sound card i got? |
| 20:04.04 | DawnLight | lepine_w: next time it crosses, catch it |
| 20:04.04 | dkr | limpio: hwinfo --short |
| 20:04.09 | simonrvn | lspci |
| 20:04.14 | muh2000 | wols_: i made an entry for that network that the tap dev uses.. |
| 20:04.18 | xingu | tralala: nope, would be useful I agree, but can't be arsed factor |
| 20:04.35 | limpio | dkr, simonrvn, thanks |
| 20:04.43 | xingu | tralala: might take a look again once 2.6.24 is out |
| 20:04.50 | wols_ | muh2000: it's not what I asked. answer my question |
| 20:05.00 | tralala | heh :), I'll do it anyhow - just out of curiosity |
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| 20:05.34 | irfn | i just installed a clean etch and made a dist-upgrade to lenny. while installation it said i need to restart kdm wdm and xdm manually because a session is running. i used /etc/init.d/gdm restart now after reboot it won't load X. it says loading gdm... and then i get a black screen |
| 20:05.37 | wols_ | maux: try to disable acpi and apic |
| 20:05.40 | limpio | simonrvn, it gave me this error: bash: command not found |
| 20:05.59 | tralala | btw, the mainstream kernel + the tickless patch didn't play at all nice with my system. I do admit I have a pretty funky setup though |
| 20:06.00 | wols_ | irfn: what doe you xorg log say? |
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| 20:06.23 | irfn | i cannot access the system only with console. can u tell me how i can read the xorg log with console? |
| 20:06.24 | wols_ | !tell limpio about installit |
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| 20:06.32 | limpio | dkr: same error: command not found wtf? |
| 20:06.43 | wols_ | irfn: by going to /var/log and looking at the file |
| 20:06.54 | irfn | ok i try |
| 20:06.59 | muh2000 | wols_: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:* + i dont know about restrictions for a certain dev in the dhcpd.conf file. |
| 20:07.30 | maux | wols_: acpi=off |
| 20:07.31 | wols_ | muh2000: did the tap device exist when you started dhcpd? |
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| 20:07.37 | maux | wols_: acpi=off already. or it doesnt boot |
| 20:07.51 | nareshov | Hi, is CD1 enough to start off with a GNOME desktop? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:08.02 | limpio | wols_: E: Couldn't find package lspci i cannot install it |
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| 20:08.18 | Ronin | nareshov: yes |
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| 20:08.24 | nareshov | Thanks! |
| 20:08.30 | wols_ | limpio: fix your sources.list then |
| 20:08.38 | Ronin | nareshov: you can then use aptitude and the net to install whatever else you need want/require/desire |
| 20:08.44 | nareshov | got it |
| 20:08.48 | bytekode | or maybe try installing the coreutils package |
| 20:08.50 | wols_ | limpio: oh wait. learn to searcha nd install stuff proprely first |
| 20:08.51 | bytekode | which has lspci |
| 20:08.55 | nareshov | limpio, pciutils IIRC |
| 20:08.59 | bytekode | er yea |
| 20:09.02 | limpio | wols_: what do you mean, i'm using etch and they look fine, fix what? |
| 20:09.18 | maux | wols_: is it debian's fault? what i wanna prove is that notebook is messed up. |
| 20:09.18 | muh2000 | wols_: i restarted dhcpd several times to avoid related to that :/ |
| 20:09.35 | maux | wols_: buuuuut, dhcp works during installation |
| 20:09.48 | nareshov | Ronin, is there any other mirror that host weekly-builds ? |
| 20:10.18 | robboplus_ | can someone please tell me if autoreconf package is missing in etch or is it a tool from a diff one? |
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| 20:11.19 | wols_ | robboplus_: what is autoreconf |
| 20:11.22 | xingu | tralala: I've managed to lift usage to about 3W or so by building some source... |
| 20:11.23 | wols_ | all ew know is autoconf |
| 20:11.54 | wols_ | nareshov: don't use those weekly builds |
| 20:11.54 | Decepticon | is it a bad idea to load a screen session from within a screen window of a screen session |
| 20:11.59 | wols_ | use a stable installer |
| 20:12.20 | Decepticon | which screen does ctrl-a get passed to? |
| 20:12.24 | nareshov | and then modify sources.list for an unstable desktop? |
| 20:12.37 | robboplus_ | wols: # autoreconf --help |
| 20:12.37 | robboplus_ | Usage: autoreconf [-f] [-h] [--help] [-m dir] [--macrodir=dir] |
| 20:13.09 | robboplus_ | i see it on the other box.. just can't recall where did i get it from |
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| 20:13.36 | robboplus_ | it could be a "wrapper" or something to autoconf |
| 20:13.47 | muh2000 | wols the answer for the tap dev would be yes, tap was there before dhcp, but as said i restarted dhcp to avoid issues. |
| 20:14.01 | tralala | xingu, oh! Now I have a strong suspition that you're battery is a liar |
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| 20:14.19 | GhostlyDeath | great, my browser crashed and now I have an ad at the top of the screen... |
| 20:14.33 | tralala | lovely |
| 20:14.43 | xingu | tralala: it's a consistant one; ondemand cpufreq governor fwiw |
| 20:14.44 | vanksi | i need to setup a j2ee app server, what would you recommend? geronimo or? |
| 20:15.34 | tralala | xingu, you can't possibly get 3W under load. My laptop goes all the way up to 22W |
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| 20:16.16 | tralala | and that's not even a real stress test - simply an endless python loop |
| 20:16.43 | darkbahamut | wols_: hey.. should i try to install nvidia drivers following instructions from dpkg or ask for help b4 i do? |
| 20:16.58 | Eulex | xingu, how many Wh is your battery? |
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| 20:17.13 | robboplus_ | wols_ oh lol... autoreconf is actually a part of autoconf :) |
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| 20:18.29 | robboplus_ | i have another question... how can i get gcc 4.2.2 on etch? |
| 20:18.54 | streuner | robboplus_: what reason do you have? |
| 20:19.08 | limpio | nareshov: thx, buddy i installed pciutils. wols_: chuck you, farley! |
| 20:19.13 | robboplus_ | streuner i was told that some app will work much better when compiled with 4.2.2 |
| 20:19.58 | Xteven | hi, can anyone tell me how I can get gfxboot working ? there are no manpages in that package... |
| 20:20.06 | darkbahamut | streuner: hey.. should i try to install nvidia drivers following instructions from dpkg or ask for help b4 i do? |
| 20:21.17 | myki | Hello. Maybe anyone know any simple solution to make revision system of files in ect? I don't want to check in, check out files everytime I edit anything, but to have possibility to restore backup of any file from given time. Maybe any buildin-editor solution (vim?) |
| 20:21.33 | simonrvn | it's common to ask for help if you can't figure it out... |
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| 20:22.10 | streuner | darkbahamut: no nvidia stuff from there website |
| 20:22.20 | rmaj | anyone here plays freeciv? should I build a mine on top of a resource, and build city near it? or better build a city on top of the resounrce (like gold) |
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| 20:22.31 | tralala | myki, you could configure vim to do the commit on write |
| 20:22.44 | darkbahamut | streuner: i cant find my card from nvidia website.. this is for graphics |
| 20:22.49 | irfn | the xorg.0.log is huge, the last line is: could not init font path element /var/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic |
| 20:22.55 | robboplus_ | # autoreconf --install |
| 20:22.56 | robboplus_ | configure.ac:35: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL |
| 20:23.05 | robboplus_ | ...i'm out of ideas :/ |
| 20:23.06 | Eulex | robboplus_, install libtool |
| 20:23.13 | darkbahamut | streuner: my audio i found out is Conexant CX20549 |
| 20:23.14 | robboplus_ | Eulex thank you very much! |
| 20:23.25 | Eulex | robboplus_, yw |
| 20:23.47 | robboplus_ | that helped, works like a charm now :) |
| 20:23.51 | Haris1 | ERROR: The "sarge" package repository is not accessible. For this reason, the proper installation of Plesk is impossible. Please edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list to make this repository accessible. |
| 20:24.05 | myki | tralala: How about files changed when upgrading dist? Maybe there's an robust solution with backups and stuff. I don't know really |
| 20:24.14 | Haris1 | I have this -> deb http://ftp.dolphins.ch/debian sarge main contrib |
| 20:24.16 | irfn | i just installed a clean etch and made a dist-upgrade to lenny. while installation it said i need to restart kdm wdm and xdm manually because a session is running. i used /etc/init.d/gdm restart now after reboot it won't load X. it says loading gdm... and then i get a black screen. the xorg.log says: could not init font path element /var/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic |
| 20:24.21 | Haris1 | and this -> deb-src http://ftp.dolphins.ch/debian sarge main contrib |
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| 20:25.04 | Haris1 | but its still saying that |
| 20:25.11 | Haris1 | do I need to change the security one as well? |
| 20:25.28 | maux | wols_: any other hint, master? |
| 20:25.29 | tralala | myki, well, an automated backup with an appropriate strategy is always a way to go |
| 20:25.33 | simonrvn | wtf are you installing plesk? |
| 20:25.38 | Haris1 | Any suggestions on other mirrors? |
| 20:25.46 | wols_ | maux: I'm not a master |
| 20:25.48 | Haris1 | simonrvn: upgrading plesk for someone |
| 20:26.06 | Haris1 | hmm.. |
| 20:26.12 | maux | wols_: for me, you are. sorry, i didn't mean pejorative |
| 20:26.12 | Haris1 | what's a good mirror for sarge? |
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| 20:26.28 | Haris1 | I don't understand why it says there isn't a mirror, when there's already one specified |
| 20:26.38 | cusco | hey dudes.. how is it again that I check wich package is owner of certain file installed? |
| 20:26.47 | Eulex | cusco, dpkg -S |
| 20:26.49 | maux | cusco: dpkg -S |
| 20:27.06 | cusco | cheers |
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| 20:27.54 | maux | wols_: what's astonishing is that mii-tool is noticed about plug in/off the cable. but dmesg doesnt. |
| 20:28.01 | maux | *isnt |
| 20:28.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me modprobe an ALSA module? http://pastebin.ca/792915 |
| 20:28.08 | Haris1 | Any suggestions on how to find other mirrors to put in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:28.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | The file is there, but it doesn't get modprobed |
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| 20:29.31 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, modprobe loads modules by _name_. not _filename_. you want insmod or just modprobe the module name. |
| 20:29.38 | Haris1 | does order matter in sources.list? |
| 20:29.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eulex: Ah... my bad, sorry. |
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| 20:30.25 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, and that custom 2.6.23.8 kernel is what you're running right now, right? |
| 20:30.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
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| 20:30.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Primarily cause I had countless problems with the debian one |
| 20:30.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Such as not even basic stuff like make menuconfig working |
| 20:31.21 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, uh, and you did have build-essential and libncurses5-dev installed? |
| 20:31.22 | nareshov | Talking about kernels, why does the debian kernel come with 250Hz timer instead of say 1000Hz ? |
| 20:31.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eulex: Yes |
| 20:31.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eulex: It works fine with this kernel |
| 20:31.37 | nareshov | Even the FreeBSD kernel comes with 1000Hz by default these days >_> |
| 20:31.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eulex: It did not with Debian's. |
| 20:31.48 | Eulex | nareshov, I do believe they're using the default in that kernel release. |
| 20:31.53 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, odd |
| 20:32.03 | nareshov | Hmm |
| 20:32.05 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, I'd report a bug for that |
| 20:32.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eulex: Anyway, I got another error: |
| 20:32.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | by insmod |
| 20:32.30 | xingu | tralala: it's hard to load this notebook ;) |
| 20:32.33 | Eulex | nareshov, 250Hz is considered a good trade-off of realtimeness and wakeups per second |
| 20:32.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | (path...blahblah)/snd-hda-intel.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 20:32.44 | nareshov | Hmm |
| 20:32.51 | xingu | tralala: by "load", I mean "it popped up to c0 for a few seconds" |
| 20:33.07 | nareshov | Oh, does the snd-hda-intel sound not work in debian too? |
| 20:33.15 | xingu | tralala: even a kernel compile usually bungs me at c0 and 1.3 maybe 1.6 p-state if I'm lucky |
| 20:33.17 | Eulex | nareshov, you see, the higher the hertz, the more times a second you'll wake up the cpu, and the higher power consumption on laptops etc will be |
| 20:33.23 | nareshov | the laptops - when you no sound in headphone thing |
| 20:33.26 | xingu | tralala: unless I force to 2GHz... |
| 20:33.29 | nareshov | Eulex, ah |
| 20:33.32 | Decepticon | what ftpd package is most popularly used? |
| 20:33.40 | nareshov | wzftpd :P |
| 20:33.45 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, does it say what? |
| 20:33.57 | Eulex | .. symbol. |
| 20:34.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 20:34.06 | Decepticon | nareshov: ive heard pure-ftpd |
| 20:34.24 | tralala | xingu, okay, I don't want to here anymore - I'm going to cry... |
| 20:34.32 | Eulex | nareshov, assume you mean vsftpd? |
| 20:34.32 | tralala | hear |
| 20:34.47 | nareshov | Decepticon, me too, besides there's pro-ftpd, vsftpd, and what not |
| 20:35.22 | Decepticon | so what shall i use |
| 20:35.26 | Decepticon | :/ |
| 20:35.30 | Decepticon | decision paralysis here |
| 20:35.31 | nareshov | Eulex, wu-ftpd, oops |
| 20:35.44 | Eulex | Decepticon, whatever you fancy. try a few out. use the one that works best for you. |
| 20:36.22 | dkr | "most popular" isn't always the best choice. or you would be using windows instead of debian. :) |
| 20:36.27 | nareshov | proftpd and pureftpd have GUI admin frontends |
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| 20:36.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eulex: What now? |
| 20:36.36 | hardcampa | For a normal ftp I would go with pureftp or vsftpd |
| 20:36.44 | hardcampa | For a warez ftp there's nothing but glftpd |
| 20:37.10 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, I don't know. I'd try to look the symbol up, to see where it's supposed to be, and find out why it's not. |
| 20:37.14 | dkr | how is a 'warez ftp" any different from normal anon ftp? |
| 20:37.17 | Decepticon | what constitutues those differences hardcampa |
| 20:37.22 | Decepticon | exactly dkr |
| 20:37.23 | hardcampa | dkr a lot different. |
| 20:37.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Err...where do I look? :/ |
| 20:37.33 | nareshov | dkr, lot of customisability maybe? |
| 20:37.44 | nareshov | glftpd is like endlessly customisable |
| 20:37.45 | hardcampa | glftpd got support for tons of customizing unlike any other |
| 20:37.53 | hardcampa | it also got a built in nuker |
| 20:37.58 | nareshov | heh |
| 20:38.11 | hardcampa | Anyway I don't know a single "scene" ftp that use anything else |
| 20:38.16 | Decepticon | alright, so i want a standard ready to be used out of the box, no config necessary, type of ftpd |
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| 20:38.25 | hardcampa | I would use vsftpd |
| 20:38.30 | hardcampa | it's proven and secure |
| 20:38.34 | hardcampa | I mean kernel.org use it |
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| 20:38.41 | Decepticon | alright thats good enough for me |
| 20:38.42 | dkr | Very Simple Fast ? :) |
| 20:38.44 | hardcampa | =) |
| 20:38.46 | nareshov | very secure |
| 20:39.09 | dkr | if I want secure I don't use ftp at all. :) |
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| 20:39.25 | pestilence | is there a meta-package similar to ubuntu's "ubuntu-desktop" package that will yield the same result as selecting the "desktop environment" option during the install process? |
| 20:39.42 | gravity | pestilence: Run tasksel and select desktop environment |
| 20:39.49 | gravity | pestilence: That's largely what the installer does |
| 20:39.52 | pestilence | gravity: ah, ok |
| 20:39.54 | pestilence | thanks |
| 20:40.07 | gravity | no problem |
| 20:40.13 | gravity | aptitude also has an interface to it, iirc |
| 20:40.51 | Haris1 | can we extract a folder from a tar without extracting the full contents? |
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| 20:41.08 | karsten | Haris1: Specify it. |
| 20:41.23 | karsten | Haris1: tar xvf <archive> <element to extract> |
| 20:41.25 | Haris1 | karsten: Jus tneed to know if tar can selectively extract folders and anything under it |
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| 20:41.53 | karsten | Haris1: You'd have to specify each of what it is you want to extract. You can't just specify a single directory. |
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| 20:42.01 | karsten | Haris1: ... and get its contents. |
| 20:42.04 | dkr | gravity: yeah, there is a top level group in aptitude called "tasks" |
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| 20:42.11 | gravity | dkr: Aha, cool. Thanks |
| 20:42.28 | karsten | Haris1: But that's more easily done that you'd think by generating a list of contents, filtering this on your desired directory, and passing that as the list of files to extract. |
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| 20:43.02 | simonrvn | gravity: thanks for fixing it so quickly |
| 20:43.02 | dkr | gravity: this categorical browser is nifty, too. (found it in views menu) |
| 20:43.04 | karsten | Haris1: tar xvf <archive> $( tar tvf <archive> | grep "./path/to/directory" ) |
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| 20:43.26 | gravity | simonrvn: No problem. I feel bad that I forgot to patch it in debian before, but I'm also surprised no one got bit before. The bug was there for a while. |
| 20:43.40 | gravity | dkr: Oh? I'll have a look at that now. |
| 20:43.57 | karsten | Haris1: ... modulo some cleanup of the output to restrict to just filenames. Sec. |
| 20:44.01 | simonrvn | gravity: something must've triggered it, and didn't before |
| 20:44.07 | Haris1 | karsten: Its strange, with zip/winrar we can do it in windows and with tar which has been around for more than 2 decades, we can't do it |
| 20:44.11 | gravity | simonrvn: Yeah, I'm not sure what it was |
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| 20:44.17 | karsten | Haris1: Wrong |
| 20:44.34 | ekim|linux | has anyone installed the gos desktop on debian ? |
| 20:44.35 | karsten | Haris1: With tar you do it by explicitly generating a package list and passing that as an argument. |
| 20:44.44 | karsten | Haris1: ... you build the solution out of shell tools. |
| 20:44.54 | dkr | or putting the extract list in a file |
| 20:45.07 | gravity | dkr: Yeah, that is really cool! |
| 20:45.08 | karsten | dkr: I like the dynamic shell expansion solution myself. |
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| 20:45.24 | simonrvn | anything that 'windows' does has been done before with *nix. |
| 20:45.30 | dkr | karsten: well, I use the file approach for building a linux distro. :) |
| 20:45.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: Not true |
| 20:45.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | simonrvn: Windows bluescreens |
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| 20:45.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | *nix does not |
| 20:45.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | :p |
| 20:45.51 | Haris1 | Not everyone needs to build distros' |
| 20:45.53 | karsten | dkr: Sure, if you're *building* the archive, that's another thing. |
| 20:45.53 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: hehehe good point :) |
| 20:46.00 | robboplus_ | what can i be missing from the system if i get stuff like this when compiling an app? ./Database/QueryResultMysql.h:29:19: error: mysql.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:46.01 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: Sure, Unix blusecreens. |
| 20:46.07 | robboplus_ | mysql-server is installed |
| 20:46.09 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/bsod |
| 20:46.12 | dkr | karsten: no, I mean extracting specific files from tars. like the example |
| 20:46.13 | simonrvn | karsten: as a screensaver ;) |
| 20:46.21 | Haris1 | what happens when I aptitude purge rather than aptitude remove on a package? |
| 20:46.26 | karsten | dkr: TMTOWTDI |
| 20:46.27 | peyj | heh, anyone here who uses 9wm? minimalism can be really cool |
| 20:46.30 | dkr | Haris1: conf files deleted |
| 20:46.35 | karsten | Haris1: You nuke config files. |
| 20:46.43 | karsten | Haris1: ... and database contents, for databases. |
| 20:46.58 | dkr | karsten: lol, take your own advice. I didn't complain about your method. :) just gave another option. :) |
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| 20:47.04 | karsten | Haris1: for a gzipped tarfile: tar -tf <tarfile> | less |
| 20:47.15 | karsten | Haris1: ... lists contents to stdout. Find what you're looking for. |
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| 20:47.40 | Haris1 | wow |
| 20:47.42 | karsten | Haris1: Then: tar xzvf <tarfile> $( tar -tf <tarfile> | grep "<pattern>" ) |
| 20:48.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: I know, I use it on my laptop :) |
| 20:48.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: But it's no a genuine BSOD :p |
| 20:48.16 | Haris1 | I have 17+ GB tar file to get a big big! list from. Its backup of the whole box in one file |
| 20:48.20 | karsten | Haris1: ... where pattern matches the directory you're trying to extract. "<pattern>" will match on the directory plus all its contents. You end up with an extracted directory. |
| 20:48.28 | Haris1 | Is there a way to over-write aptitude/apt-get databases? |
| 20:48.30 | karsten | Haris1: Enjoy! |
| 20:48.35 | Haris1 | by restoring files? |
| 20:48.45 | karsten | Haris1: Define what you're trying to do. |
| 20:48.48 | simonrvn | ShoWTime: you a spam bot? |
| 20:48.52 | ziro01 | hi |
| 20:48.54 | ziro01 | ? |
| 20:48.55 | Haris1 | I deleted packges |
| 20:48.57 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 20:48.58 | Haris1 | tried to install new ones |
| 20:49.01 | karsten | Haris1: What's wrong with the existing database? |
| 20:49.13 | Haris1 | but plesk didn't nuked me later on, with another and another error |
| 20:49.18 | Haris1 | Now I'm trying to restore the system |
| 20:49.21 | Haris1 | to its original state |
| 20:49.25 | karsten | Haris1: Deleted via aptitude, another pakcagge management tool, or w/ 'rm -rf <stuff>' ? |
| 20:49.31 | Haris1 | from a tar which has the whole backup |
| 20:49.44 | Haris1 | karsten: with aptitude/apt-get |
| 20:50.02 | Haris1 | minus the didn't up there |
| 20:50.21 | simonrvn | it's in #redhat and here, and a crazy username. smells like spambot to me |
| 20:50.24 | karsten | Haris1: OK. If you're doing what I think you're trying to do and you've got a full system archive, I'd boot from a bootable disk, reformat the filesystem(s), and untar onto them. |
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| 20:51.05 | karsten | Haris1: In general, if you're trying to get yourself back to a base system, you can just remove / purge additional packages you've added on. |
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| 20:51.22 | karsten | Haris1: No need to wipe/restore. Why would you even want to do that? |
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| 20:51.45 | Haris1 | because I'm, sitting remote? |
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| 20:51.55 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 20:52.00 | Haris1 | I can't connect to the box when I wipe it clean |
| 20:52.05 | karsten | Haris1: ... OTOH, if you've munged your /var partition and have lost your system packaging state, I've got some recovery docs I can point you to. |
| 20:52.10 | karsten | Haris1: What color hair do you have? |
| 20:52.22 | simonrvn | karsten: heh |
| 20:52.29 | Haris1 | its still black |
| 20:52.46 | Haris1 | otoh is new |
| 20:52.53 | karsten | Haris1: That has precisely as much relevance to your being able to remove packages as the fact that you're remote to your system. |
| 20:52.58 | karsten | !OTOH |
| 20:52.58 | dpkg | methinks otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
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| 20:53.15 | Haris1 | ok, that was an irrelevant comment there |
| 20:53.53 | karsten | Haris1: dpkg --get-selections will generate a list of installed packages. Select what you want to remove. Do *NOT* remove an "Required" packages, or ssh. |
| 20:53.57 | karsten | Haris1: ... and you'll be fine. |
| 20:53.58 | Flimzy | Would it be a Bad Thing(tm) to modify /etc/sudoers in a postinst script? |
| 20:54.23 | karsten | Haris1: If you want to nuke configs for the packages you'd installed, "purge" rather than "remove" will do that. See above for the difference. |
| 20:54.30 | Haris1 | *Whew!* |
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| 20:54.33 | karsten | Flimzy: Depends on how you modify it. |
| 20:54.35 | Haris1 | That's a sigh of relief |
| 20:55.02 | karsten | Haris1: I suspect you're newish to Debian. The package management system is your friend. Use it, love it, learn it. |
| 20:55.35 | dkr | preferably not in that order |
| 20:55.37 | karsten | Haris1: If you've got questions about removing specific paackages, how to speed up the procss, issues you run into on the way, post 'em. Use pastebin for longer posts. |
| 20:56.00 | karsten | dkr: I've always found myself loving before learning, but that's another story. |
| 20:56.19 | omry | I am having constant problems with apt-proxy, can anyone recommend a reliable apt caching proxy? |
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| 20:56.34 | Haris1 | I may be to debian, but I'm not new to linux |
| 20:56.44 | Haris1 | ..may be new+ to.. |
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| 20:56.51 | karsten | Haris1: Good to know. What's your Linux background? |
| 20:57.03 | Haris1 | webhosting mostly |
| 20:57.08 | karsten | Haris1: What distro(s)? |
| 20:57.23 | Haris1 | RH and freebsd |
| 20:57.38 | karsten | OK. |
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| 20:58.33 | karsten | Haris1: Debian's Policy makes its packaging system _much_ more reliable than RH. If you've used "yum", aptitude is similar, but IMVAO much, much superior. |
| 20:58.34 | ben_goodger | :) |
| 20:58.46 | chmac | I know next to nothing about apt-get, can anyone tell me how I find / search for a package? I've tried searching the man page, but nothing... |
| 20:58.48 | karsten | dkr: Well, i consider AIX, HPUX, and Solaris to be Linux distros, after a fashion. |
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| 20:59.08 | ben_goodger | chmac: aptitude search package |
| 20:59.09 | karsten | dkr: ... in a very 1980s, big-hair, bad-music, going grey-in-the-temples fashion. |
| 20:59.18 | karsten | !tell chmac about search |
| 20:59.20 | chmac | ben_goodger: Sweet, aptitude is the command ,thanks |
| 21:00.04 | Hoxzer | what should I do to the kernel-source in order to use it as kernel-headers ? |
| 21:00.11 | karsten | Haris1: Specifically, it's one *hell* of a lot easier to remove packages in Debian w/ aptitude than it is in RH w/ rpm. Yum might get it better. |
| 21:00.33 | karsten | Hoxzer: Install the appropriate kernel-headers package. aptitude search kernel-headers |
| 21:00.50 | Hoxzer | karsten: eh... |
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| 21:01.01 | Hoxzer | karsten: I dont want to use kernel-headers I want to use kernel-source for compile |
| 21:01.04 | karsten | Hoxzer: If you want full sources, install those. Note that this downloads but does not unpack the kernel tarball to /usr/src/ |
| 21:01.17 | Hoxzer | humm |
| 21:01.30 | karsten | Hoxzer: Well, if you're sure about what you need, sure. Many times kernel headers are sufficient. |
| 21:01.36 | Haris1 | I agree |
| 21:01.42 | karsten | Hoxzer: I'm assuming you only mostly know what you're talking about ;-) |
| 21:01.42 | Hoxzer | karsten: ok, do I need to do anything to those sources in order to use them for compiling modules ? |
| 21:02.03 | karsten | Hoxzer: Yeah: untar them and symlink to /usr/src/linux |
| 21:02.13 | Hoxzer | hummm wierd |
| 21:02.19 | karsten | Hoxzer: ... or wherever else your code expects to find them. |
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| 21:02.46 | karsten | Hoxzer: Normally they'll unpack to something like /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 |
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| 21:03.03 | karsten | Hoxzer: So: ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 /usr/src/linux |
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| 21:03.28 | Hoxzer | Yeah, BUt the strangest thing is that actually when using kernel-source-2.6.18-5 for compiling linuxtv drivers I exprerience compile failure because it can't find something in the "sourcedir/scripts" |
| 21:03.35 | Hoxzer | karsten: yeah, I know |
| 21:03.48 | karsten | Hoxzer: STBY :) |
| 21:04.44 | simonrvn | !stby |
| 21:04.44 | dpkg | somebody said stby was it sucks to be you. |
| 21:04.55 | Hoxzer | :\ |
| 21:05.09 | Hoxzer | thx, anyway |
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| 21:05.16 | chmac | Is there anything more to "apt-get install sshfs" ? Any kernel modules / etc that need to be installed separately? |
| 21:05.23 | karsten | Hoxzer: You'll have to debug that through whatever sources you're working w/. |
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| 21:06.02 | Gun_Smoke | http://www.goatdawgs.com/ |
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| 21:07.04 | karsten | Gun_Smoke: And that's relevant to #debian how? |
| 21:07.14 | chmac | Or even just fuse, "apt-get install fuse" doesn't include the kernel module... |
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| 21:07.30 | train` | chmac, apt-cache search sshfs |
| 21:07.43 | Gun_Smoke | karsten: Sorry didn't mean that for here.. |
| 21:07.51 | train` | it seems that there're two implementations |
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| 21:08.31 | chmac | train`: I think we want sshfs, that's what I'm using on other machines |
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| 21:08.40 | redtape | good to be back on here |
| 21:09.05 | redtape | was wondering if anyone has ever successfully installed metasploit on a debian system |
| 21:09.12 | train` | chmac, "sshfs is based on FUSE (userspace filesystem framework for Linux)" |
| 21:09.24 | train` | so you don't need kernel modules or smthing |
| 21:09.32 | train` | just fuse |
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| 21:09.36 | chmac | train`: Fuse needs a kernel module, which is the issue... |
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| 21:09.51 | chmac | train`: sshfs was slightly misleading, I could have asked about the fuse kernel module |
| 21:09.54 | train` | chmac, sorry I missed that |
| 21:10.15 | train` | you need fuse-source package, which can be compiled and installed by using module-assistant |
| 21:10.32 | chmac | Having installed sshfs, there's no /dev/fuse and fuse is not listed in lsmod |
| 21:11.26 | chmac | train`: Using "apt-get install fuse" won't do the trick? |
| 21:11.26 | chmac | I'm completely new to debian, I use Fedora primarily |
| 21:11.26 | train` | nope, run module-assistant |
| 21:11.26 | train` | it's curses based, and it's easy |
| 21:11.37 | chmac | Ok, I'll check it out, thanks train` |
| 21:12.02 | redtape | anyone here installed metasploit before? |
| 21:12.18 | train` | or you can run, m-a update ; m-a prepare ; m-a build fuse-source |
| 21:12.22 | train` | chmac |
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| 21:12.44 | chmac | train`: Ahhh, ok, I was looking for "man module-assistant" and getting nowhere! |
| 21:13.25 | train` | :) and finally m-a install fuse-source |
| 21:13.35 | chmac | train`: Is the command m-a? I get command not found... |
| 21:13.38 | train` | and if everything is okay, you'll be okay too :) |
| 21:13.46 | train` | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 21:13.53 | chmac | lol |
| 21:13.58 | train` | :) |
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| 21:15.36 | karsten | How do I set system timezone? |
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| 21:15.52 | train` | karsten, tzselect |
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| 21:16.10 | redtape | so no-one can help? |
| 21:16.24 | karsten | train`: Thx |
| 21:16.31 | karsten | redtape: Too much redtape |
| 21:16.34 | redtape | haha |
| 21:16.41 | chmac | train`: Thanks, I've passed on the info to someone with root access... :) |
| 21:16.42 | redtape | gar, im impatient tonight |
| 21:17.20 | redtape | i probably sound like an overenthusiastic wannabe hacker, but im not, i want to do a bit of penetration testing on my home system |
| 21:17.36 | train` | chmac, okay, good luck |
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| 21:17.42 | redtape | and i havent a clue on how to install metasploit |
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| 21:18.22 | Maulkin | redtape: That sort of info isn't something I'm happy giving out I'm afraid. It's info that you should know yourself if using legitimately, or be able to find out ourself. |
| 21:18.25 | train` | redtape, maybe if you cant hold your *, you shouldnt penetrate into anything :) |
| 21:18.26 | karsten | Feh. Firewall must block NTP. |
| 21:18.51 | redtape | sure, I'll learn more about linux then |
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| 21:19.14 | train` | redtape, nope, it's not like sex :) |
| 21:19.21 | redtape | was wondering |
| 21:19.57 | redtape | ok then, for future reference, how would i install a package like this? |
| 21:20.10 | Maulkin | redtape: A package like what? |
| 21:20.25 | redtape | metasploit, i cd into it, and cant ./configure |
| 21:20.26 | karsten | redtape: Carefully and considerately. |
| 21:20.32 | redtape | i know |
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| 21:26.32 | Maulkin | redtape: That's because it's not got a configure file. HAve you read the documentation/user_guide.pdf file? |
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| 21:27.54 | Maulkin | ps: the correct answer to the last question is no. |
| 21:28.05 | karsten | redtape: General guideline for installing third-party software is to read the third-party software installation / build instructions. |
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| 21:38.20 | s4xxon | hello which is a good application like magenta ? |
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| 21:38.57 | dondelelcaro | s4xxon: what does magenta do? |
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| 21:39.18 | s4xxon | its a dictionary |
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| 21:40.41 | s4xxon | its a greek-english dictionary actually |
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| 21:45.26 | karsten | How do I get a listing of BIOS drives? grub-install is complaining that /dev/sda doesnt' have a corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 21:46.17 | golfdish | how can i check what process is accessing the hard disk periodically every few seconds ?? |
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| 21:46.22 | Maulkin | karsten: try hd(0,0) |
| 21:46.29 | Maulkin | golfdish: top? |
| 21:46.41 | Maulkin | ps, grep and watch? |
| 21:46.53 | karsten | Maulkin: Format of install_device not recognized. |
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| 21:47.37 | golfdish | Maulkin: i don't undrstand how. neither of those will report disk access, am i wrong? |
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| 21:49.04 | Maulkin | golfdish: yes they do. |
| 21:49.09 | Maulkin | Look at State. |
| 21:50.07 | Maulkin | karsten: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
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| 21:50.45 | Maulkin | karsten: next time, try checking google for the error message. |
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| 21:54.12 | limpio | i have an amd64 cpu, i did not know that, i did a regular etch install (32bit) apps and a k7 kernel, can i switch kernels and install a linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 without resulting any problems? is it worth it or should i reinstall with an amd64 iso? |
| 21:56.10 | cusco | you could just install a 64bit kernel but you would still be running 32bit apps |
| 21:56.10 | fengor | limpio: unless you really need 64bit support i'd stay in 32bit land |
| 21:56.17 | golfdish | Maulkin: please could you elaborate on how to do this with top |
| 21:56.54 | karsten | Maulkin: OK. |
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| 21:57.10 | karsten | Maulkin: Thanks, yeah, should have checked Google. |
| 21:57.11 | Maulkin | golfdish: sure, read 'man top' and look for sort |
| 21:58.18 | golfdish | ok, becasue i just looked at State and it doesn't seem to help |
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| 21:59.23 | Maulkin | If a task in in state 'D', it's accessing teh disk |
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| 21:59.26 | Maulkin | *the |
| 21:59.32 | SevenIsPrime | Hi |
| 21:59.38 | limpio | thx guys |
| 21:59.38 | cusco | hi |
| 21:59.45 | Tramp | golfdish: echo "1" > >/proc/sys/vm/block_dump then cat /proc/kmesg |
| 21:59.53 | Tramp | golfdish: echo "1" >/proc/sys/vm/block_dump then cat /proc/kmesg |
| 22:00.00 | SevenIsPrime | Can someone tell me how to "make-kpgk buildpackage" without using any pgp signatures? |
| 22:00.12 | limpio | cusco, would the 64bit kernel be better? |
| 22:00.39 | cusco | teoretically... but I don't notice any difference on my machine |
| 22:01.22 | limpio | cusco, thx again |
| 22:01.31 | cusco | no probs |
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| 22:02.33 | limpio | fengor, thanks for your help |
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| 22:07.08 | melodosgr | hi guys! im having a few questions.. i wanna set up a fileserver in my room to share my stuff and i was wondering whats the best filesystem i can use for large files.. xfs? |
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| 22:07.48 | golfdish | thank you very much Tramp it worked |
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| 22:08.02 | golfdish | thanks too Maulkin |
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| 22:10.35 | sam__ | Hi could someone tell me if this hard drive is in good condition? http://pastebin.ca/793033 i need help understanding the smartmontools output. |
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| 22:10.49 | Haris1 | where is php module installed on sarge/etch? |
| 22:11.21 | amen | when i reboot the system i lost ifconfig and route configuration |
| 22:11.45 | mcgreg | could anyone help me pls bulding kbuild for amd64? since I need it for fglrx modules and it is not available for 2.6.23 in debian repos yet. I have installed the sources from debina repos and compiled a kernel ... |
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| 22:13.00 | cusco | Haris1: perhaps /usr/lib/php5/* |
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| 22:16.24 | s4xxon | stardict installation will install the whole gnome or what ? i see lots of libraries but a lot of other applications. should i better leave it ? |
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| 22:18.39 | DjBones | hey my repo for lenny isn't seein the package for 'feh' .. is there a similar app to it? |
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| 22:18.48 | blahdeblah | Hi - does Debian have any desktop blogging clients that have a Windows port as well? |
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| 22:20.14 | Ronin | blahdeblah: like wordpress? |
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| 22:21.36 | amen | how to see log boot? |
| 22:21.36 | blahdeblah | Ronin: No, a desktop client that can publish to something like Wordpress or Drupal |
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| 22:22.03 | Maulkin | blahdeblah: drivel? |
| 22:22.38 | Ronin | blahdeblah: didnt know you needed a specific client, i access my wordpress quite nicely with linux or windows |
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| 22:23.28 | cusco | amen: enable boot log in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 22:23.39 | cusco | amen: then check /var/log/boot |
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| 22:24.07 | amen | cusco: roger |
| 22:24.16 | blahdeblah | Ronin: you don't need a dedicated client - they just offer some extra desktop integration to make it easy |
| 22:24.21 | zophy | cusco, when does that file become active in the boot process ? |
| 22:24.27 | robboplus_ | what is the easiest mail server to try? i need to learn from scratch... |
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| 22:24.46 | thedonvaughn | robboplus_: i like postfix myself |
| 22:24.48 | fengor | robboplus_: one you got a nice thick book for that explains stuff |
| 22:25.03 | fengor | open soruce press has a good book about postfix |
| 22:25.04 | robboplus_ | thedonvaughn so definetly not exim4? |
| 22:25.14 | robboplus_ | fengor you recommend postfix as well? |
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| 22:25.29 | thedonvaughn | haven't used exim enough to judge |
| 22:25.36 | thedonvaughn | cept for little stuff |
| 22:25.38 | mvfeinstein | Can anyone tell me what I have to add to my source.list to be able to install jvm with apt? |
| 22:25.44 | fengor | robboplus_: well i like postfix but if its a good place to start i dont know. it really depends on your backgorund and personal taste |
| 22:25.48 | ziyax | Any1 here using apache2 and facing not loading problem from mod_alias? |
| 22:25.57 | thedonvaughn | mvfeinstein: you need contrib or non-free repos. one of those should have it |
| 22:26.03 | cusco | zophy: I do not knwo maybe man bootlogd will tell you |
| 22:26.20 | robboplus_ | thedonvaughn, fengor: i heard lots of good words on postfix so i think i will got for it |
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| 22:26.43 | mvfeinstein | thedonvaugh thanks, any idea where I can find the uri for one of those? |
| 22:26.46 | fengor | robboplus_: more power to you, but whatever you try, try to get a good tutorial or a good book on it first |
| 22:26.49 | blahdeblah | robboplus_: Postfix is the default for many other distros, and is very easy to set up in Debian, so that's why i prefer it. |
| 22:26.57 | fengor | smtp is easy to do, easy to do wrong that is |
| 22:27.08 | fengor | we are facing enough open relays and spam server as it is already ;) |
| 22:27.16 | blahdeblah | fengor: If there's any SMTP engine that's easy to use, postfix is it... ;-) |
| 22:27.25 | blahdeblah | s/use/learn/ |
| 22:27.39 | cusco | zophy: lookslike as soon as initrd kicks in |
| 22:27.45 | thedonvaughn | mvfeinstein: just add it after main in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:27.52 | fengor | well i started with sendmail back in my apprenticeship days... so i guess from there on every other mta seemed easy ;) |
| 22:28.22 | thedonvaughn | mvfeinstein: like ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free for an example of one |
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| 22:28.47 | mvfeinstein | thedonvaughn thank you |
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| 22:29.01 | blahdeblah | fengor: Ditto here. Don't bring back those painful memories! |
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| 22:29.35 | irfn | where do i get a netinstall from windows to lenny? |
| 22:30.05 | irfn | i installed etch and made a distupgrade to lenny but it wont start |
| 22:30.06 | Maulkin | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:30.22 | Maulkin | Well, that's a seperate problem. Why wont' it start? |
| 22:30.23 | irfn | Maulkin, is there a DVD, my cd rom only reads dvd its damaged |
| 22:30.43 | irfn | when gdm starts i get a blackscreen |
| 22:30.44 | Maulkin | irfn: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 22:30.56 | Maulkin | Right, well we could help you fix that problem instead... |
| 22:31.10 | irfn | ok that would be fine |
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| 22:31.37 | Maulkin | irfn: right, how are you at dealing with a console? |
| 22:31.50 | irfn | not very well ^^^ |
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| 22:32.02 | Maulkin | Oh, and what did you change before this started happening? |
| 22:32.58 | irfn | i installed etch with netinstall for windows, then i made a dist-upgrade to lenny, and it said i need to restart kdm wdm and xdm manually because a session is running. i used /etc/init.d/gdm restart now after reboot it won't load X. |
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| 22:33.36 | Maulkin | irfn: you probably shoudn't be using lenny then :| Reinstall with etch. |
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| 22:33.58 | blahdeblah | robboplus_: http://www.fatofthelan.com/articles/articles.php?pid=22 is a good tutorial on starting a fully-fledged mail server. It's a bit old (based on sarge), but if you go carefully you should get something useful. |
| 22:34.21 | irfn | Maulkin, can u tell me what is the difference between lenny and etch, and why everyone is telling me i should upgrade to lenny? |
| 22:35.02 | Maulkin | irfn: you shoudl ignore them |
| 22:35.05 | Maulkin | !testing |
| 22:35.06 | dpkg | hmm... testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 22:35.06 | tribbin | I have a little question. I sent a bug report to debian about the stable release. The reaction I got was that is was fixed upstream. The bug is now considered solved in stable. But to me it seems like it shouldn't be because the bug makes a system 'almost hang' for a long period. |
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| 22:35.11 | stew | irfn: you don't want to upgrade to lenny, its often broken |
| 22:35.11 | thiagomz | irfn, http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_windows_installer |
| 22:35.37 | Maulkin | tribbin: what's your bug number? |
| 22:35.47 | irfn | oki thank u guys |
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| 22:35.58 | tribbin | Maulkin: 450509 |
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| 22:38.22 | susanne-- | is there an auto-X configurator for lenny? i've got it starting gnome momentarily and then locking up with a trashed screen, sorta like a refresh rate problem. stupid thing is, gdm works okay and only crashes after login |
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| 22:38.50 | streuner | !drxx susanne-- |
| 22:38.50 | dpkg | susanne--: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 22:39.33 | Maulkin | tribbin: looks like it's still open in etch. |
| 22:39.59 | tribbin | Maulkin: It sais: Resolved bugs -- Normal bugs (1 bug) |
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| 22:40.22 | tribbin | Maulkin: I'm new to bug reporting, is there something I'm missing? |
| 22:40.31 | Maulkin | tribbin: look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428353 |
| 22:41.00 | Maulkin | The little image shows where the bugs exist |
| 22:41.21 | Maulkin | wem |
| 22:41.31 | Maulkin | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=450509 even |
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| 22:42.33 | muhoo | how would i burn an audio disk with no gap between tracks? |
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| 22:42.48 | muhoo | i.e. where's the docs on .inf files, and how they work, what their variables are, etc? |
| 22:42.54 | tribbin | Maulkin: from that page: Done: Philipp Benner <pbenner@uos.de>. |
| 22:43.10 | tribbin | Maulkin: Does that mean something different than I think it means? |
| 22:43.14 | Haris1 | Guys, where are apache modules installed on etch? |
| 22:43.28 | Maulkin | tribbin: It's marked as closed in lenny/sid, btu still open in etch |
| 22:44.08 | tribbin | Maulkin: Where can I read that? I feel like I'm just overlooking that or something |
| 22:44.25 | irfn | what is the best ati gfx-card driver for a clean etch system? |
| 22:44.32 | Maulkin | Look at teh Version: header in the done message |
| 22:45.00 | tribbin | Maulkin: OK the "Version: XXX" sais in which version it is fixed? |
| 22:45.06 | Maulkin | yes |
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| 22:45.09 | tribbin | OK thank you |
| 22:45.18 | Haris1 | its in /usr/lib/apach2/modules |
| 22:45.18 | tribbin | Maulkin: I though people were just ignoring it in Etch |
| 22:45.51 | Haris1 | Which file on etch adds these modules to apache2? |
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| 22:48.56 | kupesoft | What's the portmap daemon and why do I need it, |
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| 22:50.54 | zorrolero | kupesoft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmap |
| 22:50.56 | streuner | !portmap |
| 22:50.56 | dpkg | [portmap] for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 22:51.08 | streuner | oh, crap |
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| 22:51.27 | kupesoft | How come it made it in to the base install? |
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| 22:52.21 | streuner | dpkg, no, portmap is <reply> or sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. But be careful, if you running NFS on a remote box, your box doesnt start then... |
| 22:52.22 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 22:53.58 | streuner | dpkg, portmap =~ s/start/boot/ |
| 22:53.58 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
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| 22:55.36 | zorrolero | dpkg, portmap =~ s/or/for |
| 22:55.49 | zorrolero | dpkg, portmap =~ s/or/for/ |
| 22:55.49 | dpkg | zorrolero: OK |
| 22:56.18 | irfn | what is the best ati gfx-card driver for a clean etch system? |
| 22:56.24 | streuner | !portmap |
| 22:56.25 | dpkg | for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. But be careful, if you running NFS on a remote box, your box doesnt boot then... |
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| 22:59.05 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 23:03.01 | SerajewelKS | is there a 3d-accelerated driver for this card? 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M |
| 23:03.08 | SerajewelKS | fglrx claims to not work with it |
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| 23:05.56 | DawnLight | SerajewelKS: where does it claim? |
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| 23:07.09 | SerajewelKS | DawnLight: it's not listed in the supported chipsets for the fglrx-driver package |
| 23:07.17 | SerajewelKS | DawnLight: and when i tried it a while back it refused to work |
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| 23:07.38 | DawnLight | SerajewelKS: well... then i'm afraid there isn't much hope |
| 23:09.33 | DawnLight | SerajewelKS: if googling around doesn't find you a driver with 3d accelaration for this card, and both the free and non-free drivers don't support 3d, then that's where i would give up |
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| 23:10.03 | DawnLight | perhaps trade it off with someone who uses windows... |
| 23:10.13 | SerajewelKS | heh |
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| 23:10.18 | SerajewelKS | it's in a laptop dude :P |
| 23:10.31 | DawnLight | uuuh bad luck pal |
| 23:10.31 | SerajewelKS | probably onboard too |
| 23:10.37 | DawnLight | probebly |
| 23:11.10 | DawnLight | well, you can dual boot... nexuiz has a windows version |
| 23:12.18 | SerajewelKS | sweet... when i try to build fglrx and insert it... FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 23:12.26 | SerajewelKS | wtf |
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| 23:13.36 | streuner | buy another videocard :-) |
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| 23:13.43 | streuner | open-source |
| 23:14.27 | DawnLight | SerajewelKS: you can give up now |
| 23:14.32 | robboplus_ | hm how can i make postfix listen on 127.0.0.1 instead of 0.0.0.0? can't find anything on that in config files |
| 23:14.54 | DawnLight | robboplus_: check the documentation you mus |
| 23:14.58 | DawnLight | t |
| 23:15.18 | SerajewelKS | streuner: how do you propose i switch out an onboard laptop gpu for it? |
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| 23:15.44 | syntaxx | hi i im having a little problem in one of my samba server, it just so happened that users cannot save their files and it says read-only, its weird because couple of hours later it works fine and no one touch the config any idea? |
| 23:15.46 | streuner | Dont ask me rhetoric questions! :-) |
| 23:15.53 | DawnLight | you do what, SerajewelKS ? |
| 23:16.13 | SerajewelKS | DawnLight: i was being sarcastic :P |
| 23:16.26 | streuner | you have the wrong laptop then :-P |
| 23:16.33 | DawnLight | i thought you were being otherwise, ... |
| 23:16.55 | SerajewelKS | streuner: eh, some $400 on ebay a year ago |
| 23:17.08 | DawnLight | syntaxx: ahm... try #samba |
| 23:18.18 | unbeatabl | hi, i have freetype installed via yum, and was wondering where the freetype files are in the system? |
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| 23:19.52 | amen | i have errors with aptitude and apt can somebody help me? |
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| 23:20.06 | streuner | !ask |
| 23:20.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:20.13 | CaT[tm] | unbeatabl: if you're using yum you're not using debian., |
| 23:20.24 | DawnLight | yum? yummy yummy |
| 23:20.27 | DawnLight | !yum |
| 23:20.36 | DawnLight | damnit |
| 23:20.38 | CaT[tm] | that's apt :) |
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| 23:23.44 | amen | i have a problem with aptitude and apt, i'm running debian i386.when i try to do apt-get update i get the following output http://rafb.net/p/3eBcLt25.html |
| 23:25.32 | CaT[tm] | amen: can you run LANG=en_AU apt-get update ? :) |
| 23:26.00 | amen | sure sorry |
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| 23:26.48 | zero | I'm starting to wish I would have installed Gentoo on this server... |
| 23:27.02 | zero | Would have worked straight off the compilation |
| 23:27.36 | amen | http://rafb.net/p/fYey2e54.html |
| 23:27.45 | OlaX | zero: you mean it would still be working on the compilation? (heh) |
| 23:28.00 | zero | Been working with Ubuntu for about a week now... |
| 23:28.11 | zero | And it only took 8 hours to install it on this machine :P |
| 23:28.24 | susanne-- | tell zero about ubuntu |
| 23:28.56 | bytekode | tell zero about bsd if he insists on wasting time using gentoo |
| 23:28.58 | bytekode | :P |
| 23:29.08 | zero | :P |
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| 23:29.15 | zero | Have a BSD CD laying around here |
| 23:29.21 | CaT[tm] | amen: that's... rather weird. |
| 23:29.22 | zero | But it's for x86 |
| 23:29.23 | zero | Not amd64 |
| 23:29.24 | zero | =\ |
| 23:29.41 | bytekode | amd :| |
| 23:29.42 | susanne-- | where is inotify support in the kernel config? |
| 23:29.46 | bytekode | their new quadcores are horrible |
| 23:29.55 | zero | I'm only running a dual core |
| 23:30.04 | CaT[tm] | amen: I have a feeling you're hitting a bad mirror. |
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| 23:30.26 | amen | uhm |
| 23:31.24 | zero | How old is the distro? |
| 23:31.35 | CaT[tm] | amen: try as I might I can't get 'http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/' to fail though. |
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| 23:32.55 | dondelelcaro | zero: How old is Debian? |
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| 23:33.29 | dondelelcaro | zero: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ if that's what you're asking. |
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| 23:33.55 | zero | Umm... |
| 23:33.56 | zero | No |
| 23:34.08 | zero | I mean amen's particular release |
| 23:34.12 | amen | CaT[tm]: i don't understand... |
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| 23:34.59 | CaT[tm] | amen: can you do 'host security.debian.org' and tell me what you get? |
| 23:35.53 | dondelelcaro | amen: wget -S --spider http://security.debian.org; will also be useful. |
| 23:35.55 | amen | CaT[tm]: yes i can, and i can get 3 files |
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| 23:36.21 | CaT[tm] | amen: what IPs do you get from the host command? |
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| 23:37.41 | susanne-- | where is inotify support hidden in the kernel? |
| 23:37.56 | CaT[tm] | filesystem section |
| 23:38.17 | susanne-- | ty |
| 23:38.40 | susanne-- | and now ... we compile. |
| 23:38.41 | amen | CaT[tm]: 128.31.0.36 |
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| 23:40.03 | CaT[tm] | amen: are you running a web proxy perchance? |
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| 23:40.20 | amen | negative! |
| 23:40.40 | CaT[tm] | amen: you have a very weird problem. 8( |
| 23:40.50 | amen | CaT[tm]: i can get updates with another pc, near me using the same mirrors |
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| 23:41.23 | SamuraiDio | when trying to run the gnome theme manager it says that i have no matacity or my gconf isn't properly configured |
| 23:41.27 | SamuraiDio | how can i fix that? |
| 23:41.35 | CaT[tm] | amen: can you use lynx or wget or something to access those urls from that pc? |
| 23:41.40 | CaT[tm] | the one having the issues |
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| 23:44.44 | amen | CaT[tm]: yes i can access with wget to security.debian.org, but not to ftp.debian.org |
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| 23:50.12 | DawnLight | ahm... i need one af, gnus, mh, mutt or nmh only for enabling reportbug to send a bug report... which one should i get? |
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| 23:52.46 | susanne-- | mutt rocks |
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| 23:54.56 | DawnLight | i don't need it to rock. want it to stay out of my way |
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| 23:57.16 | simonrvn | then don't use it ;p |
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| 23:57.46 | OlaX | DawnLight: I think, you should get mutt. (Incidentally, I agree that mutt rocks; can I have a snappy answer for my advice too? :) ) |
| 23:57.50 | DawnLight | so mutt it is? will it ask me lots of questions and need plenty configuration? |
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| 23:58.03 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:58.13 | DawnLight | great. thanks for sharing |
